Sep 23, 2024 Housing and Homelessness Solutions

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ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING.

[Housing and Homelessness Solutions on September 23, 2024.]

THE TIME IS 9:13, AND WE'RE CALLING THE HOUSING AND HOMELESS SOLUTIONS COMMITTEE MEETING TO ORDER.

FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS ITEM A.

IT'S THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE CORRECTED JUNE 24TH, 2024 AND AUGUST 26TH HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS SOLUTIONS COMMITTEE.

IT'S BEEN MOVED, AND SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

WE'LL NOW GO TO ITEM B AND CYNTHIA WILL BE PRESENTING THIS.

THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN MORENO AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

I'M CYNTHIA ELLISON, DIRECTOR FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

TODAY WE'LL BE PRESENTING OUR HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT WAS CONDUCTED IN PARTNERSHIP WITH HR&A, AND CPAL IS UP HERE WITH US AS WELL. SO LET ME INTRODUCE OUR PANEL.

THOR ERICKSON IS OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.

HE'S ON THE RIGHT OF ME.

TO THE LEFT IS AARON ABELSON WITH HR&A, AND TO THE LEFT OF HIM IS ASHLEY FLORES WITH CPAL, AND WITH THAT, I THINK I'M PASSING IT OVER TO ASHLEY FIRST.

GOOD MORNING. IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK WITH YOU.

AS CYNTHIA SAID, I'M ASHLEY FLORES.

I'M ON THE HOUSING TEAM AT THE CHILD POVERTY ACTION LAB.

ASHLEY, COULD YOU MOVE THAT MICROPHONE, LIKE, 6 TO 12IN CLOSER TO YOU? HOW'S THAT? IS THAT BETTER? GREAT. WE WORKED WITH A DIFFERENT HR&A TEAM LAST YEAR TO PRODUCE A RENTAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.

WE'VE RECENTLY BEEN WORKING WITH HR&A AGAIN TO UPDATE THAT RENTAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT TO ENSURE THAT THE FACT BASE IS CURRENT, AND ALSO TO INCORPORATE SOME UPGRADES AND TWEAKS BASED ON FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM LAST YEAR.

YOU SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF THE BRAND NEW RENTAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT AGAIN, UPDATED WITH MORE CURRENT DATA SET.

WE'RE EXCITED TO RELEASE THE RENTAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT THIS WEEK.

THE TIMING WORKED OUT WELL WITH THIS MEETING.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH CYNTHIA AND HER TEAM, AS WELL AS THE TWO TEAMS FROM HR&A, TO REALLY ENSURE WE'RE IN ALIGNMENT IN OUR APPROACH AND THAT WE'RE PULLING FROM THE SAME DATA.

SO I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE TODAY TO SPEAK TO RENTAL HOUSING NEEDS IN PARTICULAR IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS.

GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS AARON ABELSON, THE MANAGING PARTNER FOR HR&A ADVISORS HERE IN DALLAS, AND I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE WITH WITH YOU ALL TODAY AND APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

I'LL WALK THROUGH THIS HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT PRESENTATION, WHICH PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF, YOU KNOW, THE STATE OF HOUSING IN DALLAS AND SOME OF THE SPECIFIC AREAS AROUND RENTAL AND HOMEOWNERSHIP, MUCH OF WHICH I THINK YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF, BUT HOPEFULLY CAN PROVIDE SOME YOU KNOW, SHARED UNDERSTANDING AND UPDATED DATA TO INFORM YOUR WORK AND THE WORK OF THE DEPARTMENT GOING FORWARD, ESPECIALLY MOVING FORWARD ON THE ACTION PLANNING FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF DHP 33.

YOU CAN SO, SO IN THIS INTRODUCTION, I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE THIS MATERIAL.

WE'VE STARTED WITH A FEW DEFINITIONS.

TRY TO PROVIDE A SORT OF SHARED UNDERSTANDING OF KEY TERMS. I'M NOT GOING TO WALK THROUGH ALL OF THESE.

I THINK THEY'RE ONES YOU AND MANY ARE FAMILIAR WITH, BUT WE'LL BE TALKING A LOT ABOUT AREA, MEDIAN INCOME AND COST BURDEN AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOUSING AFFORDABILITY TODAY.

SO YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES QUICKLY.

YOU KNOW, THESE ARE HERE FOR REFERENCE, AND I THINK I'LL SPECIFICALLY POINT EVERYONE TOWARDS THE DEFINITION OF COST BURDEN.

YOU KNOW, WHICH WHICH DEFINES WHAT PORTION OF PEOPLE'S INCOME IS TYPICALLY ACCEPTABLE TO SPEND FROM THE HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE ON HOUSING, AND THAT WILL COME UP THROUGHOUT THIS PRESENTATION AND OF COURSE, IN MANY CONVERSATIONS AROUND HOUSING, AND NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSING THAT IS AFFORDABLE WITHOUT EXISTING SUBSIDY TOOLS IN PLACE.

SO YOU CAN GO FORWARD A COUPLE OF SLIDES HERE.

SO TO OVERVIEW THE HOUSING NEEDS, AND I'LL CAVEAT THIS BY SAYING THERE'S SO MUCH USEFUL AND INTERESTING DATA THAT WE CAN DIG INTO AROUND HOUSING, AND WE'VE, YOU KNOW, TRIED TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW HERE, BUT IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THIS DATA OR SPECIFIC AREAS OF INTEREST TO GO DEEPER ON, WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND WORK WITH THE HOUSING TEAM LATER TO DIG INTO IT, BUT THERE REALLY ARE SEVERAL FACTORS THAT I THINK SORT OF BOIL DOWN

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YOU KNOW, CONTINUED POPULATION GROWTH AND HOUSING PRICE INCREASES CONTINUE TO PUT PRESSURE ON THE HOUSING MARKET, IN PARTICULAR AT THE LOWER INCOME SPECTRUM, LOWER INCOME BANDS.

YOU KNOW, HOUSING PRODUCTION HAS BEEN SOMEWHAT LIMITED IN RECENT YEARS, AND, YOU KNOW, IN THE LIMITATIONS IN HOUSING SUPPLY CONTINUE TO PUT PRESSURE ON THE MARKET, DRIVE SOME OF THOSE INCREASES AND, YOU KNOW, LIMIT THE ACCESSIBILITY OF HOUSING FOR FOLKS IN DALLAS, AND NOT ONLY ARE CHALLENGES RELATED TO HOUSING PRODUCTION IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND KEEP AN EYE ON, BUT THE LOSS OF AFFORDABLE UNITS, BOTH, YOU KNOW, SORT OF OVER TIME, BUT ALSO AS YOU LOOK FORWARD INTO THE COMING YEARS, MANY UNITS AT RISK OF CONVERSION TO MARKET RATE OR LOSING AFFORDABILITY AS DEED RESTRICTIONS AND FEDERAL AND LOCAL SUBSIDIES EXPIRE.

NEXT SLIDE. NEXT SLIDE.

AS CPAL'S WORK GOES INTO QUITE SOME DEPTH ON THE RENTAL, HOUSING NEEDS IN DALLAS ARE SIGNIFICANT, AND THE GAPS IN SUPPLY RELATIVE TO DEMAND AT THE LOWER ENDS OF THE INCOME SPECTRUM, PARTICULARLY BELOW 50% AND BELOW 30% AREA MEDIAN INCOME ARE ACUTE, WITH ABOUT 40,000 UNIT SHORTAGE BELOW 50%.

AMI AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS YOU LOOK AT THIS AT THE WHOLE SYSTEM LEVEL, IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE DATA BY SEGMENT OF AREA MEDIAN INCOME, BUT ANY MISALIGNMENTS BETWEEN SUPPLY AND DEMAND CREATE PRESSURE THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM THAT PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD, FIND A UNIT TO AFFORD AT THE LOWER END OF THE INCOME SPECTRUM ARE SPENDING MORE TO GET A UNIT THAT'S MORE EXPENSIVE AND SIMILARLY, PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD MORE MIGHT BE IN THE MARKET FOR THOSE LOWER RENT, LOWER PRICED UNITS AS WELL, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT MORE DETAIL ON THIS, BOTH IN THE REPORT AND A LITTLE BIT MORE TO COME.

NEXT SLIDE. YOU KNOW, AND OVER THE LAST, YOU KNOW, 7 OR 8 YEARS, THE YOU KNOW, THE LOSS OF UNITS BELOW $1,000 IN RENT AND INCREASE IN UNITS AT HIGHER RENTAL RATES.

JUST, YOU KNOW, DRIVES THIS HOUSING CHALLENGE EVEN FURTHER AND PUTS MORE UNITS OUT OF, OUT OF REACH FOR, FOR MANY LOWER INCOME DALLASITES. NEXT SLIDE.

YOU KNOW, AND THE HOUSING PRODUCTION.

THE NET HOUSING GAIN IN RECENT YEARS HAS PREDOMINANTLY BEEN IN THE APARTMENT MARKET.

SOME INCREASE IN THE DETACHED SUPPLY, BUT WITH THOSE INCREASES ALSO A DECLINE IN THOSE SMALLER MULTIFAMILY UNIT PRODUCT.

NEXT SLIDE. AS I MENTIONED THESE ISSUES IN SUPPLY ARE IMPORTANT, AND INCREASING PRODUCTION AND USING THE CITY'S TOOLS AND YOU KNOW, THE INFLUENCE IT HAS TO INCREASE THE CONSTRUCTION IS CRUCIAL, BUT ALSO, I KNOW IT CAN SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, BAILING A BOAT OUT THAT STILL HAS WATER COMING INTO IT.

IN THAT IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THESE THE RENTAL, THE RENT RESTRICTED, THE SUBSIDIZED UNITS WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE.

EVEN BEFORE THE END OF THE DHP 33 IMPLEMENTATION PERIOD IN 2033 THERE'S A RISK OF LOSING OVER 7700 UNITS, AND BEFORE THE IN THE FOLLOWING TEN YEARS, ANOTHER 8800 UNITS AT RISK OF LOSS. SO THIS IS.

YOU KNOW, REQUIRES BOTH A PRODUCTION AND A PRESERVATION FOCUS AS AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE.

NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A CITYWIDE CHALLENGE.

THE, YOU KNOW, THESE RESTRICTED UNITS THAT I MENTIONED ON THE PREVIOUS, THESE RENT RESTRICTED UNITS THAT I MENTIONED ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.

YOU KNOW, AS WE GET INTO MORE OF THE WORK AROUND THE ACTION PLANS FOR DHP 33 WITH THE HOUSING TEAM FOCUSED ON THE TARGET AREAS, THIS WILL BE A FOCUS OF THAT WORK.

YOU KNOW, BUT BUT THIS PRESERVATION CHALLENGE, THIS NEED TO FOCUS ON WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE UNITS, WHAT ARE THE TOOLS FOR PRESERVING THESE AFFORDABLE UNITS OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, GOES BEYOND THOSE TARGET AREAS.

NEXT SLIDE. YOU KNOW, AND OF COURSE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT PEOPLE CAN AFFORD BOILS DOWN TO THE INCOME THAT THEIR HOUSEHOLD MAKES AND THE GAP BETWEEN HOMEOWNER INCOME AND RENTER INCOME IN DALLAS HAS WIDENED, YOU KNOW, NATIONALLY AND IN DALLAS, THE PACE

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NEXT SLIDE. WE'RE ALL AWARE OF JUST HOW MUCH HOUSING COSTS HAVE GROWN IN RECENT YEARS, ESPECIALLY SINCE 2020-2021.

YOU KNOW, SORT OF A PERIOD OF STEADY GROWTH, TRANSITION TO A PERIOD OF PRETTY RAPID GROWTH.

MANY FACTORS INFLUENCED THIS.

A LOT THAT ARE WELL COVERED AROUND CONSTRUCTION COSTS, POPULATION GROWTH INTEREST RATES, ETC., BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK BACK TO THE SLIDE OF THE DECLINE IN UNITS UNDER $1,000, A LOT OF THAT YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A STEADY STREAM, A STEADY PATTERN BUT REALLY BECAME MORE ACUTE IN RECENT YEARS. NEXT SLIDE, AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, A HEALTHY HOUSING MARKET, A HOUSING MARKET THAT IS ACCESSIBLE AND SETS THE COMMUNITY UP FOR SUCCESS, IS, YOU KNOW, HAS A DIVERSITY OF RENTAL HOUSING, A DIVERSITY OF OF OWNER OCCUPIED HOUSING, AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS WE THINK ABOUT THE BURDEN ON THE RENT ON RENTERS IN DALLAS YOU KNOW, NEED TO KEEP THAT SUPPLY HEALTHY, KEEP THAT MARKET HEALTHY FOR MORE FLEXIBLE, ACCESSIBLE HOUSING, LOWER UPFRONT COSTS, OF COURSE, AND, YOU KNOW, SORT OF GETS TO THE NEED AS WELL, TRANSITION TO HOMEOWNERSHIP IN A MOMENT, BUT THE NEED TO FOCUS ON, YOU KNOW, THE HEALTH AND SUPPLY OF ALL TYPES OF HOUSING IN DALLAS.

NEXT SLIDE. SO, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOKED AT THE HOUSING RENTAL GAP EARLIER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SUCH AN ACUTE NEED, SUCH AN ACUTE GAP IN RENTAL SUPPLY AT THE, YOU KNOW, 0 TO 30, 0 TO 50% AMI WITH ESSENTIALLY ALMOST ALL RENTERS FACING SIGNIFICANT HOME COST BURDEN AT THOSE LEVELS, BUT THAT REALLY ALSO EXTENDS UP INTO THE OTHER THROUGHOUT THE INCOME SPECTRUM AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, IT IS A IN THE COMPETITION FOR UNITS AND THE COMPETITION FOR THE SUPPLY THAT IS ON THE MARKET AND PEOPLE FINDING THE RIGHT UNIT FOR THEM. YOU KNOW, THAT'S ACCESSIBLE TO JOB, ACCESSIBLE TO SCHOOLS.

YOU HAVE FOLKS, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY UP TO OVER 100% AMI BUT THROUGHOUT IN PARTICULAR, THAT 0 TO 80% AMI SPENDING OVER 30% OF THEIR INCOME, THEIR HOUSEHOLD INCOME ON HOUSING EACH YEAR.

NEXT SLIDE, AND LIKE RENTAL RATES, WE'VE ALL SEEN HOW HOME VALUES IN THE OWNERSHIP MARKET HAVE INCREASED, AND YOU KNOW SAME PATTERN BUT EVEN MORE ACUTE IN THE 2021 TO 2022-23 PERIOD.

WITH HOME VALUES INCREASING, YOU KNOW, FAR IN EXCESS OF THE RATE IN PREVIOUS YEARS AND AGAIN, FAR IN EXCESS OF THE GAINS IN INCOME OVER THAT SAME TIME PERIOD.

NEXT SLIDE. YOU KNOW, AND IN TERMS OF THE ACCESS TO HOMEOWNERSHIP YOU KNOW, THESE THESE PATTERNS THAT I'VE DISCUSSED SO FAR HAVE LED TO A DECREASE IN THE RATE OF HOMEOWNERSHIP OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

THAT DECLINE IN HOMEOWNERSHIP IS NOT FELT AND EXPERIENCED EQUALLY OR EQUITABLY ACROSS THE CITY.

WITH THE BLACK POPULATION OF DALLAS SEEING A 6% DECREASE, WHILE OTHER SEGMENTS OF THE POPULATION HAVE SEEN INCREASES OR MORE MODEST DECREASES IN HOMEOWNERSHIP . NEXT SLIDE.

AGAIN ON THE ON THE RENTAL SIDE, TOO.

THIS TIES DIRECTLY BACK TO INCOME AND WHAT HOUSEHOLD INCOMES CAN SET FAMILIES UP TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE HOMES THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN DALLAS, AND YOU SEE THE SIGNIFICANT DISPARITY RACIAL DISPARITY IN INCOMES AND HOW THAT MANIFESTS IN WHAT YOU SAW IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE OF WHAT HOMES ARE ACCESSIBLE.

AS AND AS HOME PRICES INCREASE, THOSE AT THE LOWER END OF THE INCOME SPECTRUM, OBVIOUSLY ARE PUT AT GREATER RISK FOR EITHER LOSING ACCESS TO HOMEOWNERSHIP , AND, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT THEY CAN AFFORD OVER TIME HAS BEEN DECREASING.

NEXT SLIDE. NEXT SLIDE, AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS WE THINK ABOUT, AGAIN, A HEALTHY HOUSING MARKET THAT'S DELIVERING WHAT IT NEEDS TO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THE POPULATION OF DALLAS THE COMMUNITY IN DALLAS.

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YOU KNOW, WITHIN THAT, THE SEGMENT OF, OF RENTER HOUSEHOLDS YOU KNOW, FEWER THAN 20% OF THOSE RENTER HOUSEHOLDS TODAY CAN AFFORD THE MEDIAN MEDIAN PRICED FOR SALE HOME IN DALLAS, AND SO I THINK IT JUST INDICATES SORT OF THE, THE CHALLENGES AND, YOU KNOW, CONVERTING RENTERS TO HOMEOWNERS, WHAT'S NEEDED TO SUPPORT THAT ON THE SUPPLY AND THE INDIVIDUAL LEVEL AND, YOU KNOW, JUST NEEDS TO INFORM HOW THE CITY IS THINKING ABOUT WHERE IT DEPLOYS ITS RESOURCES.

NEXT SLIDE, AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK EVERYONE HERE IS AWARE OF WHAT THE BENEFITS OF HOMEOWNERSHIP CAN BE, AND YOU KNOW, OFFERING THAT ACCESS TO GENERATIONAL WEALTH THAT OWNING A HOME AND RETAINING A HOME CAN PROVIDE.

IN THINKING ABOUT THE CONVERSION OF RENTERS TO OWNERS, IT, YOU KNOW, IT CAN OPEN UP UNITS TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO OTHERS WHO ARE IN THE RENTAL MARKET, AND, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THAT LEVEL OF STABILITY FOR FAMILIES THAT YOU KNOW, RENTAL HOUSING SOMETIMES CANNOT.

NEXT SLIDE, AND SO YOU KNOW I'VE GONE THROUGH THIS QUICKLY WHEN IT'S YOU KNOW, SORT OF IF THERE'S ANYTHING AFTER THIS PRESENTATION TO DIG INTO FURTHER.

OF COURSE HAPPY TO DO SO, BUT YOU KNOW, AS WE TALK ABOUT AREA MEDIAN INCOMES AND HOUSING COST BURDEN AND 30% AND 50% IN INCOMES, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ISSUE HERE AND WITH STAFF AND WITH OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS CAN BE HELPFUL TO SORT OF HUMANIZE THIS A LITTLE BIT AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THE ACCUMULATION OF THESE HOUSING INDICATORS MEANS FOR PEOPLE IN DALLAS AND SO ON.

THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, YOU'LL SEE A FEW PROFILES OF ILLUSTRATIVE PROFILES OF PEOPLE IN DALLAS TO ILLUSTRATE HOW THESE DYNAMICS MANIFEST IN THE EXPERIENCE OF PEOPLE SEEKING HOUSING.

SO WE START WITH SALLY, WHO'S A SERVER IN A RESTAURANT.

MEDIAN SALARY IN THAT 40% ISH AREA MEDIAN INCOME BAND.

SHE LIVES BY HERSELF.

BY HUD STANDARDS, HER AFFORDABLE RENT IS ABOUT $750 A MONTH, AND, YOU KNOW, AT THAT LEVEL, THERE'S THIS SHORTAGE OF ALMOST 40,000 UNITS IN THE MARKET AND 86% OF SALLY AND HER PEERS OF PEOPLE IN SALLY'S PEER SET ARE COST BURDENED, ARE SPENDING MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR ADJUSTED INCOME ON ON HOUSING, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS AFFECTING PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THIS IS AN EXPERIENCE OF MANY PEOPLE IN DALLAS.

IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO SO WHAT ARE WHAT ARE HER OPTIONS? YOU KNOW ACCESSING THAT THOSE THAT SMALL SMALLER SUPPLY RELATIVE TO THE DEMAND, YOU KNOW, CAN BE DIFFICULT.

THERE'S THE OPTION OF DOUBLING UP, FINDING A ROOMMATE, SHARING THE BURDEN THE RENT BURDEN WITH SOMEONE ELSE.

MANY PEOPLE END UP SPENDING MORE THAN THAT 30% OF JUST BEING AMONG THAT COST BURDENED PORTION OF THE POPULATION.

OR, YOU KNOW, THIRD OPTION HERE IS MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE, YOU KNOW, SHE CAN FIND A CHEAPER UNIT, BUT IS GOING TO BE FURTHER FROM THE JOB OPPORTUNITIES IN DALLAS AND THE JOB SHE HOLDS TODAY.

NEXT SLIDE. YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT SOMEONE SORT OF NEXT STEP UP ON THE INCOME LADDER MAKING ABOUT 50% AMI.

THIS IS A SINGLE PARENT WITH TWO KIDS AT THAT 50% AMI UNIT LEVEL.

THERE'S YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY ABOUT THE SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, NUMBER OF UNITS IN THE MARKET AMONG WITH THE DEMAND FOR THAT SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION, BUT, YOU KNOW, FINDING THE RIGHT UNIT FOR YOUR FAMILY NEAR THE SCHOOL, NEAR THE JOB NUMBER OF BEDROOMS, ETC., YOU KNOW, STARTS TO LIMIT THE, THE SUPPLY FOR THAT SPECIFIC RENTER, AND SO, YOU KNOW, ARNOLD AND HIS PEERS IN DALLAS, ABOUT 60% OF THEM ARE COST BURDENED, AND IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE YOU KNOW, THE OPTIONS ARE SIMILAR HERE.

YOU KNOW, END UP WITH A SMALLER UNIT THAN ARNOLD MIGHT LIKE, BUT ONE THAT HE AND HIS FAMILY CAN AFFORD.

SPEND MORE TO GET A LARGER UNIT, BUT THEN HAVE TO GIVE UP ON, YOU KNOW, OTHER NECESSITIES OR PULLBACK ELSEWHERE.

YOU KNOW, OR, YOU KNOW, FIND A UNIT THAT'S SUBSIDIZED ELSEWHERE BUT HAVE A LONG COMMUTE OR INCREASE THE TRANSPORTATION COSTS.

YOU KNOW, THERE ARE VARIOUS WAYS THIS CHALLENGE MANIFESTS.

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YOU KNOW, CAN AFFORD APPROXIMATELY A $200,000 HOUSE.

OF WHICH THERE'S FEWER AND FEWER IN DALLAS, OF COURSE, AND BUT IN PARTICULAR, I THINK IN THAT FIRST YEAR OF PAYING THE DOWN PAYMENT YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO THESE THE RENTAL PROFILES I MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, PUTS PRESSURE ON ON COSTS ELSEWHERE, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ILLUSTRATIVE.

THERE'S ENDLESS ITERATIONS OF THESE KINDS OF PROFILES WE CAN DO, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU ALL EXPERIENCE THESE WITH REAL PEOPLE IN YOUR DISTRICT, BUT WE'VE FOUND THAT IN TALKING ABOUT THESE, WHAT CAN BE SORT OF ESOTERIC HOUSING CHALLENGES, BOILING THEM DOWN TO SOME OF THESE, YOU KNOW, REAL LIFE SITUATIONS CAN HELP MAKE THEM FEEL MORE ACCESSIBLE TO PEOPLE. NEXT SLIDE, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'LL END HERE AND PASS IT BACK TO CYNTHIA, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE A LOT OF WHAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS KIND OF A SNAPSHOT IN TIME OR LOOKING BACK OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

CPAL'S WORK GOES, GOES MUCH FURTHER INTO PROJECTING OUT THE NEEDS AND THE INCREASING GAP OVER TIME, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS OUR CITY GROWS AND AS THE REGION GROWS, THESE ISSUES AND CHALLENGES ARE ONLY GOING TO BECOME MORE ACUTE AND REQUIRE MORE ACTION.

SO APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION, AND I'LL HAND IT OFF TO CYNTHIA TO CLOSE OUT AND THEN TAKE QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, AARON.

SO AFTER REVIEWING THIS DATA AND LOOKING AT THE PROGRAMS THAT WE OFFER TODAY IN THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT, I WANT TO GO OVER THESE PARTICULAR PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE SO THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND REMEMBER WHAT IT IS WE OFFER NOW.

IT DOESN'T REQUIRE POLICY CHANGES AT THIS POINT BECAUSE MANY OF OUR PROGRAMS, WE'VE ALREADY REVISED TO BE ABLE TO SERVE PEOPLE AT 120% AND BELOW, AND WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT WE WILL REFOCUS SOME OF OUR EFFORTS TO ADD MORE MONEY TO OTHER PROGRAMS THAT DO SERVE PEOPLE IN THE POPULATIONS THAT WE NEED TO DO WITH 50% AND BELOW AND HOMEOWNERSHIP.

SO THE PROGRAMS WE HAVE IS OUR HOME REPAIR HOME REPAIR PROGRAM TO START WITH, WHICH ALREADY SERVES THE MAJORITY OF FOLKS UNDER 50% AMI.

THAT PROGRAM PRESERVES AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY, AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO OFFER THAT.

WE HAVE A HOMEBUYER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM THAT SERVES PEOPLE AT 80% AND BELOW, AND AGAIN, CREATING HOMEOWNERSHIP FOR FAMILIES IS AN AREA OF FOCUS THAT WE NEED TO MOVE TO.

HOUSING DEVELOPMENT HAS AND WE CAME TO YOU, I WANT TO SAY, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO TO REVISE OUR HOUSING POLICY TO ALLOW PRIORITIES IN THAT POLICY, AND THOSE PRIORITIES WILL BE TO SERVE PEOPLE AT 50% OR BELOW, TO GET MORE OPTIONS TO PEOPLE AT 50%, AND MORE HOUSING TO PEOPLE AT 30%, AND WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH THE OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS ON A PSH NOFA THAT WILL SERVE PEOPLE AT 30% AND BELOW BUT OUR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT CAN ALSO INCLUDE HOMEOWNERSHIP PRIORITIES, AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR MOVING FORWARD.

OUR MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS.

WE USE REVENUES FROM FEE IN LIEU FOR FOLKS WHO DON'T WANT TO DO ON SITE RENTAL, AFFORDABLE RENTAL UNITS, AND WE HAVE ALREADY DEPLOYED SOME OF THAT.

THOSE DOLLARS 7 MILLION WENT OUT LAST YEAR IN DEVELOPMENT TO LIHTC PROJECTS, AND THOSE SERVE PEOPLE AT 60% AND BELOW, AND THIS YEAR WE HAVE 7 MILLION THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISPERSE AND PUT ABOUT 3 MILLION MORE IN THE NOFA, BUT THE 7 MILLION THAT WE HAVE, A PORTION OF IT WILL BE GOING TO DHADC, AS YOU WILL SEE IN THE NEXT MEMOS THAT WE HAVE FOR UPCOMING AGENDA ITEMS. THAT PROGRAM CREATES HOMEOWNERSHIP THROUGH OUR LAND BANK LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE LAND BANK LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM THAT AGAIN, CREATES HOMEOWNERSHIP, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO REVISE AND REFINE THOSE PROCESSES SO THAT WE CAN DEPLOY THOSE LOTS A LOT FASTER THAN WE HAVE HISTORICALLY AND GET THOSE THOSE UNITS BUILT AND SOLD.

THE DALLAS HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION AND DALLAS PUBLIC FACILITIES CORPORATION, I CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEM, BUT WE WILL BE DOING A RETREAT TO LOOK AT THEIR BYLAWS AND

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AT THIS TIME, THEY DON'T SERVE FOLKS AT THAT LOWER INCOME LEVEL, BUT AGAIN, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS MORE AT THE RETREAT AND HOW WE CAN REVISE REFORM, DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO HELP THAT TOOL HELP US IN THESE TWO GAP AREAS, AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE, I'VE PROVIDED FUNDING THAT WE HAVE IN THE OFFICE NOW AND THE NUMBERS THAT IT CAN SERVE BASED ON THE AMOUNTS THAT WE HAVE AND WITH THAT, WE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, CYNTHIA. I'M GOING TO START TO MY RIGHT WITH COUNCILMEMBER WILLIS.

THANK YOU.

SO AS I LOOK AT SLIDE 12, AND I KNOW MR. ERICKSON, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS, ABOUT THE HOMES AT RISK OF LOSING THEIR AFFORDABILITY AND RESTRICTIONS EXPIRING.

WHAT WHAT ARE WE DOING? WHAT CAN WE DO AROUND THAT? I MEAN, IS IT ONCE IT'S OVER, THAT'S IT.

THEY'RE JUST OVER AND OUT, OR IS THERE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE? AND WHAT ARE WE DOING? YES.

SO WE'VE HAD A FEW OF THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS COME THROUGH OUR HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION TO RE SYNDICATE FOR TAX CREDITS AND, AND CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE INCOME LEVELS THAT THEY OFFER.

IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH PRIVATE DEVELOPERS ON HOW WE CAN BETTER ACCESS THOSE PROPERTIES AND HELP TO PRESERVE THE UNITS. I GET A MIXED BAG OF RESPONSES I GET.

OH, THOSE UNITS ARE OFFERING RENTS SO LOW THAT THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THOSE UNITS AT THAT LEVEL.

I GET OH YEAH, WE'D BE GLAD TO WORK WITH YOU, BUT WE WOULD NEED VERY DEEP SUBSIDIES TO DO THAT, AND THEN I GET SOME THAT OFFER SUPPORT IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

THEY CAN DO THAT THROUGH RE-SYNDICATION OF TAX CREDITS.

SO WE HAVE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW TO PRESERVE THOSE UNITS, AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK ON THAT SOME MORE.

SO AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, I MEAN SOME ARE WILLING TO PLAY BALL AND SOME DON'T HAVE TO AND DON'T WANT TO, AND OKAY, I'M ALSO LOOKING AT, I MEAN, THIS THIS SPEAKS SO LOUDLY TO THE NEED FOR ECONOMIC MOBILITY, AND I'M SO APPRECIATIVE THAT WE HAVE OUR ISDS AND OUR COMMUNITY COLLEGES THAT ARE HELPING WITH THAT, BUT THE REALITY IS WHAT'S IN THE MARKETPLACE AND, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD LEAD TO HOMEOWNERSHIP, AND IT JUST THIS ILLUSTRATES WHAT A GAP THERE IS THERE AND HOW MUCH YOU NEED TO EARN TO EVEN BE ABLE TO GET TO THAT FIRST STEP ANYMORE, BUT AS I LOOK AT SLIDE 32, I MEAN, THESE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAGNITUDE OF THE PROBLEM, THE NUMBERS SEEM SMALL.

DO WE HAVE A GAUGE ON WHAT OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY, WHAT NONPROFITS ARE DOING, WHAT FAITH BASED COMMUNITIES ARE DOING TO AUGMENT THESE NUMBERS, TO GIVE US A WHOLE PICTURE OF WHAT KIND OF HOME REPAIR OR, YOU KNOW, OTHER INITIATIVES THERE ARE? YES. SO THAT'S SOME OF OUR NEXT STEPS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IS GETTING WITH ALL OF OUR NONPROFIT DEVELOPERS AND EVEN OUR FOR PROFIT DEVELOPERS THAT ARE IN THE SPACE OF PROVIDING UNITS AT THIS SPECTRUM OF SIZE HOMEOWNERSHIP, AS WELL AS LOWER INCOME LEVEL AND HAVING A MORE COMPREHENSIVE REPORT, NOT HOUSINGS ACTIVITIES ALONE, BUT WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING TO HELP SUPPORT THIS, AND WE'LL BE WORKING ON THAT OVER THE NEXT YEAR.

SO IT'LL BE GREAT TO PULL ALL THAT TOGETHER, BUT THEN TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S BEING MANAGED, I MEAN, IS THERE SOMEONE LINKING PEOPLE WITH OPPORTUNITIES THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME THROUGH THE CITY? I MEAN, MAYBE WE JUST HELP WITH THE LINKING, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO FUND IT OR REALLY OVERSEE IT VERY MUCH.

YES. SO WE HAVE CREATED OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TEAM THAT WILL HELP LINK ALL OF THIS TOGETHER.

PART OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES IS REPORTING OUT WHAT THEY SEE, NOT ONLY IN THE TARGET AREAS, BUT CITYWIDE, IN COLLABORATION AND EFFORTS TO HELP US MEET THESE NUMBERS, AND THEY'LL BE, LIKE I SAID, WORKING ON THESE REPORTS IN THE UPCOMING YEAR.

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THANK YOU. CHAIR.

APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.

ALWAYS GOOD SEEING OUR PARTNERS UP HERE.

SO ON THIS BRIEFING, I THINK IT'S KIND OF TELLING TO LOOK AT IT FROM WHAT IT DOES CONTAIN AND WHAT IT DOESN'T CONTAIN.

SO I THINK FOR ME ON SLIDE 29 YOU LOOK AT OUR POPULATION GROWTH OF THE CITY OF DALLAS TO BE 15% OVER THE NEXT 25 YEARS.

SO THAT'S LESS THAN 1% A YEAR, BARELY OVER HALF A PERCENT.

I THINK WE'VE GOT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND FOR THE CITY MANAGER, FOR OUR COLLEAGUES OF THE FUTURE AS WE BUDGET, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE BURDEN IS GOING TO FALL ON THE EXISTING HOMEOWNERS, EXISTING TAXPAYERS, SINCE WE'RE NOT I MEAN, ASSUMING THIS GROWTH RATE PLAYS OUT TO BE TRUE.

I THINK ANOTHER CONCERN FOR ME IS THE FACT THAT ON PAGE 11, WE'RE LOOKING AT ONLY 1% ONLY A 1% INCREASE IN HOUSING SUPPLY BETWEEN 2017 AND 2022, AND I WROTE DOWN THIS MAY HAVE BEEN ON PAGE 11 OF THE REPORT, BUT THERE WAS YOU GUYS HAD REPORTED THAT THERE WAS ONLY A 1% GROWTH IN OUR HOUSING STOCK BETWEEN 2017 AND 2022, WHICH IS IT'S JUST A VERY SLOW GROWTH RATE.

IF THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO PLAY TRUE OVER TIME.

SO WHAT I SAW ON HERE THAT WAS MISSING, THAT IS CONCERNING TO ME BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS.

IF SOMEONE'S LOOKING AT THIS AS A SNAPSHOT, IT'S NOT GOING TO PAINT A REAL PICTURE OF OUR HOUSING CRISIS IS YOU REALLY JUST LOOK AT YOU SHOW THE HOUSING DEFICITS FOR THE NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT IT WAS THE DEFICITS THAT WERE REPORTED BEFORE.

I WASN'T SEEING THOSE IN HERE, AND I STILL DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT OUR DEFICITS ARE GOING TO BE OVER TIME.

I REALIZE THAT'S GOING TO BE WHAT HRNA IS I HOPE, GOING TO BE PRESENTING TO US IN THE FUTURE.

IS THAT RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO AT SOME POINT GET SOME ACTUAL NUMBERS WE'RE WORKING FROM.

YEAH. WELL, I'D SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE, I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, THE UPDATED [INAUDIBLE] REPORT DOES ON THE RENTAL SIDE OF THE MARKET, LOOK DO MORE.

CAN YOU SPEAK RIGHT INTO THE MIC? I'M SORRY.

YEAH, AND ASHLEY CAN SPEAK TO THIS TOO, BUT I THINK THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES.

I THINK TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE FURTHER, THERE'S ON THE RENTAL SIDE OF THE MARKET.

THERE IS MORE DETAIL WITHIN THE CPAL REPORT ON THE PROJECTED NEED, PROJECTED GAPS OVER TIME.

I THINK PART OF OUR WORK WITH THE CITY, WITH THE STAFF OVER THE COMING MONTHS WITH THESE ACTION PLANS IS TO, YOU KNOW, HELP ESTABLISH MORE TARGETS AND GOALS.

YOU KNOW, DRILLED DOWN A LEVEL BELOW WHAT DHP 33 SETS OUT.

TO BE ABLE TO GET MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT IS ACHIEVABLE AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO ACHIEVE THAT.

IN THE CPAL RENTAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, WE PROJECT SUPPLY AND DEMAND TO 2035, AND WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT WE PROJECT THE GAP TO GROW FOR RENTER HOUSEHOLDS AT OR BELOW 50% AREA MEDIAN INCOME.

SO BY 2035, WE PROJECT A GAP OF 76,000 AFFORDABLE UNITS TO HOUSEHOLDS AT OR BELOW 50%.

AMI. I THINK SOMETHING THAT'S ALSO NOTABLE THAT WE SAW IN THIS YEAR'S ANALYSIS IS THAT WE'RE PROJECTING THE SUPPLY GAP WILL AFFECT RENTER HOUSEHOLDS UP TO AREA MEDIAN INCOME.

LAST YEAR, IN THE PROJECTIONS, WE SAW RENTER HOUSEHOLDS AFFECTED UP TO 80% AREA MEDIAN INCOME.

WE'RE SEEING EVEN HIGHER INCOMES BE AFFECTED IN THIS YEAR'S UPDATE FOR THAT THE THAT CONTINUING THE WIDENING GAP BETWEEN SUPPLY AND DEMAND TO 2035 FOR HOUSEHOLDS AT OR BELOW 50% AMI IS BEING DRIVEN IN LARGE PART BY THE LOSS OF NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO THAT RENTAL HOUSING THAT AARON MENTIONED THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN INCOME RESTRICTION OR A SUBSIDY WE EXPECT WE'RE PROJECTING A LOSS OF AROUND 54,000 UNITS OF NOAA BETWEEN NOW AND 2035.

THAT'S REALLY ERODING THAT SUPPLY GAP FOR LOW INCOME RENTERS.

OKAY, THIS WAS WHAT I WAS HOPING TO HEAR.

SOME ACTUAL TARGETED NUMBERS.

SO WE JUST I NOTICED THIS IS DATED SEPTEMBER 2024.

SO THIS IS HOT OFF THE PRESSES AND I JUST GOT THIS.

I HAVE NOT LOOKED THROUGH IT IF I WANTED TO SEE AND IF THE PUBLIC WANTED TO SEE A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT OUR ACTUAL TARGETS THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT ARE, WHERE WOULD I LOOK IN HERE, I WOULD START.

IT'S 140 PAGE REPORT.

SO I WOULD START WITH THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY.

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WE USE, I BELIEVE, A TEN YEAR HISTORIC AVERAGE TO HELP PROJECT.

SO YOU'LL SEE PFC DATA IS INCLUDED IN THE KIND OF OUR AUDIT OF INVENTORY, BUT IT'S I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S INCLUDED IN THE FORECAST. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE MISSING.

A DELIVERABLE ON THE HOUSING POLICY IMPLEMENTATION.

SO THE ACTUAL ROLLOUT OF THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THAT WAS PROMISED BY DIRECTOR BENTLEY IN JUNE FOR US TO GET IT IN AUGUST, IT WAS PROMISED IN AUGUST FOR US TO GET IT IN SEPTEMBER.

NOW, WHEN ARE YOU PROMISING IT? TODAY. I THOUGHT ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.

THE FIRST STEP WAS MAKING SURE WE WERE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT THIS HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, SO WE CAN USE THAT TO DELIVER ON THE ACTION PLANS.

SO THE NEXT TWO MONTHS OF TIME WILL BE TO PRESENT THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE ALSO IN ALIGNMENT WITH CPAL'S REPORT AND UNDERSTANDING, BECAUSE THEY'RE DIVING A LITTLE BIT DEEPER, WELL, A LOT DEEPER ON THE RENTAL SIDE, AND WE'RE ADDING THE HOMEOWNERSHIP SIDE.

SO THE DIFFERENT HRNA TEAMS COMING TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE ALL OF OUR DATA WAS IN ALIGNMENT.

WE DON'T WANT TO PUT SOMETHING OUT THAT WOULD CONTRADICT SOMETHING ELSE.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR WORK IN THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT TO INVEST IN THE PRODUCTION AND PRESERVATION OF AFFORDABLE HOMES COULD BE REALLY ALIGNED WITH THE DATA DRIVEN PROCESS AND TODAY'S CONVERSATION TO HEAR WHAT'S MISSING OR WHAT'S NEEDED OR WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHALLENGED IS AN INTEGRAL PART IN THAT STEP TO MAKE SURE THAT'S INCORPORATED INTO OUR ACTION PLANS AS WELL, ESPECIALLY AS WE WANT TO REAFFIRM THAT THE PRIORITIES THAT WE SEE IN THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT YOU ARE DIRECTING US TO LOOK AT THE LOWER 30 TO 50% AMI AND THEN THE HOMEOWNERSHIP PRIORITIES THAT WE'VE HEARD AT DIFFERENT MEETINGS AND DIFFERENT TIMES.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AFFIRMATION AROUND THAT DIRECTION SO THAT WE CAN PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER AND FORMALIZE THOSE ACTION PLANS.

WE'RE CONTINUING TO JUST SORT OF MOVE FORWARD AND DATA CHANGES OVER TIME AS WE'RE SEEING FROM CPAL, AND SO THE GOALS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SHIFT.

I MEAN, AT SOME POINT WE'VE GOT TO COME TOGETHER AND ACTUALLY HAVE AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AND JUST START MOVING FORWARD, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS SHOOTING IN THE DARK.

WE'RE PASSING PFC, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS WITH WE'RE PASSING HFC PROJECTS AND EVERYTHING IS JUST WE NEED IT.

WE KNOW WE NEED IT ALL, BUT WITHOUT WORKING TOWARDS A NORTH STAR.

I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE.

SO, I MEAN, THIS THIS WHOLE POLICY IMPLEMENTATION ROLLOUT COMPARED TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICY IS REALLY GOING AT A SNAIL'S PACE. I REALLY AM DISAPPOINTED THAT IT'S TAKEN SO LONG.

I'M DISAPPOINTED IT CONTINUES TO KIND OF JUST CREEP ALONG A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME, AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO BETTER.

YOU KNOW, TO DATE, ALL I'VE HEARD FROM STAFF IS THAT WE ARE CONTINUING, YOU KNOW, WE CAN COMMIT TO DOING FEDERALLY FUNDED PROGRAMS, SOME PROGRAMS THAT HAVE SOME LOCAL FUNDING, AND WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE.

WE'RE NOT THERE YET, AND I REALLY THINK IT'S TIME WE STEP UP AND DO THAT.

THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT REALIZED AT ONE POINT ABOUT DURING THIS PROCESS FOR THEM THAT THEY NEEDED OUTSIDE HELP, AND THAT'S WHERE THE EDC, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, CAME FROM. THEY REALIZED WE CAN'T DO EVERYTHING IN THE CITY HALL SILO ALONE.

WHEN IS THE CITY MANAGER GOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE, YOU KNOW, WE CANNOT FIX THIS HOUSING CRISIS SITTING IN THIS HORSESHOE BY OURSELVES.

WE'VE GOT TO WELCOME IN OUTSIDE HELP TO DO THIS, WHETHER THAT IS A DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION OR SOMETHING ELSE.

IT IT CAN'T BE FIXED BY US SITTING HERE PASSING, YOU KNOW, FEDERALLY FUNDED PROGRAMS WE REALLY NEED TO DO LIKE AND INVEST ATLANTA OR SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE VISIONARY BRINGING IN THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, PUBLIC STAKEHOLDERS OUR OTHER PUBLIC PARTNERS TO HELP US TO DO THIS.

I MEAN, HAVE YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT? THAT'S A GREAT. I AGREE WITH ALL OF THAT.

OUR THREE CORPORATIONS THAT WE HAVE NOW ARE THE TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

THEY'VE BEEN STIFLED QUITE A BIT BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SOME CONFUSION AS TO WHO SHOULD RUN THEM, WHO SHOULDN'T RUN THEM, HOW SHOULD THEY OPERATE AND THEY REALLY SHOULD OPERATE LIKE THE EDC.

THEY SHOULD. THEY HAVE BOARDS.

THE BOARDS SHOULD BE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROJECTS THAT COME FORWARD, AND THEY HAVE MONEY.

THEY HAVE CASH ON HAND THAT THEY CAN USE FOR MORE DEVELOPMENT IN THESE AREAS THAT WE NEED.

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OUR CORPORATION FOR LAND BANK, AS I SAID, THEY ARE NOT MOVING AS QUICKLY AS THEY SHOULD BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF PAPERWORK THAT COMES WITH LAND BANKING AND LAND TRANSFERRING, AND WE ARE WORKING ON OUTSOURCING A LOT OF THEIR WORK TO PRIVATE COUNSEL TO PRIVATE DEVELOPERS TO GET THOSE THOSE UNITS BUILT A LOT FASTER.

WE HAVE OVER 300 UNITS IN LAND TRANSFER THAT WE HAVE TO CLEAR LIENS ON, BUT WE NEED HELP TO DO THAT, AND WE'RE LOOKING WE'RE SETTING UP THOSE PARTNERSHIPS TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THAT STUFF A LOT FASTER.

SO YES, WE AGREE WE CANNOT DO THIS ALONE.

THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO IT ALONE, AND THAT IS WHY WE DO WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS TO GET THIS DONE.

I'M WRAPPING UP CHAIR.

I APPRECIATE THAT RESPONSE.

I WASN'T EXPECTING THAT AS OUR SORT OF OUR VIEWING THEM AS PARTNERS BECAUSE I SEE THEM AS TOOLS WITHIN THE CITY RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS PERHAPS PART OF THE PROBLEM.

I DON'T AGREE NECESSARILY.

I DON'T THINK I AGREE AT ALL ACTUALLY, THAT THE THAT ANY ONE OF THOSE THREE CORPORATIONS IS THE VISIONARY ENTITY THAT SHOULD SOLVE OUR HOUSING CRISIS FOR US.

I THINK THAT THEY ARE TOOLS THAT CAN MAYBE WORK WITHIN A FRAMEWORK THAT'S BIGGER THAN THEM, BUT I'M INTERESTED TO CONTINUE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

VICE CHAIR MIDDLETON.

THANK YOU. FIRST OFF, DID WE PAY FOR ANY PORTION OF THIS REPORT? YES. YES, THEY'RE A CONSULTANT.

HOW MUCH DID WE PAY? I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS.

I WASN'T PREPARED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION TODAY, BUT I CAN GET YOU THAT.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOU GOT PAID? I'LL NOTE THIS IS WORK THAT'S WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE CONTRACT THAT HR&A HAS FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICY OVERALL.

SO I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THIS SPECIFIC PORTION FOR THIS.

YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU'RE GOING TO BILL US FOR YOUR TIME? FOR THIS PORTION OF THE WORK SPECIFICALLY, I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER TODAY.

OKAY. WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT INFORMATION, AND YOU CAN START WITH THE WHOLE HRNA CONTRACT AND THEN YOU CAN DO IT DOWN TO THIS LEVEL.

SURE. I BELIEVE THERE'S QUITE A BIT MORE WORK TO BE DONE.

I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL DOCUMENT LIKE THIS AND IT'S INCOMPLETE AND IT'S FRANKLY MISLEADING.

SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THINGS.

I LIKE THAT YOU STARTED WITH DEFINITIONS.

WHAT ISN'T INCLUDED IS ARE YOU DEFINING DALLAS AS THE ENTIRE CITY OF DALLAS, INCLUDING COLLIN AND DENTON COUNTY? ARE YOU INCLUDING DALLAS COUNTY WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS, OR ARE YOU INCLUDING ALL OF DALLAS COUNTY IN ALL OF THIS DATA? IS THERE ANY CHANGING OF DEFINITION OF WHAT DALLAS MEANS? SO I'LL ALSO NOTE THERE'S AND MAY I CLARIFY, ARE YOU FOR THE IN THE SLIDES TODAY OR IN THE REPORT THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU FROM CPAL? BOTH. BOTH. YOU KNOW, THE DATA THAT I PRESENTED TODAY THAT WAS RELATED TO THE CITY IS THE CITY OF DALLAS, THE AVAILABILITY OF DATA, YOU KNOW, IS HAS DIFFERENT GEOGRAPHIES FOR SOME DIFFERENT SOURCES, BUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, PULLED DATA FOR THE CITY, AND ANY TIME THERE'S A REFERENCE TO THE CITY, IT'S THE ENTIRETY ENTIRE GEOGRAPHY OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.

SO YOU HAVE A MAP IN HERE OF HOUSING PROJECTS.

LET'S SEE. IT'S SLIDE 13.

WHAT DO ALL OF THOSE DOTS REPRESENT? THOSE ARE PROJECTS THAT HAVE RECEIVED SOME FORM OF ONE OR MORE FEDERAL SUBSIDIES.

OF THOSE LISTED ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SLIDE.

SO I HAVE TWO MORE DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY PROPERTIES IN DISTRICT 12, WHICH IS THE MOST NORTHERN DISTRICT THAT AREN'T EVEN ON

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IF I MAY CUT IN TO ANSWER A QUICK DATA QUESTION.

HI, MY NAME IS SHEILA HART, AND SO THIS MAP IS ONLY SHOWING PROPERTIES THAT HAVE ACTIVE SUBSIDIES, AND SO PUBLIC HOUSING UNITS IN THIS CASE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE AN EXPIRATION DATE IN THE SAME WAY THEY WOULDN'T SHOW UP ON THIS MAP BUT WE DO HAVE A FULL MAP THAT SHOWS EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY, REGARDLESS OF IF THEY HAVE ACTIVE OR INACTIVE SUBSIDIES.

YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT AS WELL.

SO AGAIN, THIS MAP IS COMPLETELY MISLEADING BECAUSE I READ IT AND I LOOKED AT IT MULTIPLE TIMES.

I DIDN'T GET THAT, AND I'M GOING TO SAY ALL THROUGHOUT THIS DATA, IT'S EXACTLY LIKE THAT, COMPLETELY MISLEADING IN THE BACK OF YOUR REPORT WHEN YOU LIST ALL THE PROPERTIES.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME THAT IT'S ONLY FROM 2011? AS IF ONLY OUR PROPERTIES FROM 2011 ARE AFFORDABLE? NO. THE ANALYSIS INCLUDES ALL PROPERTIES CONCEIVABLE THAT COULD BE COUNTED REGARDLESS OF THE YEAR THAT THEY WERE BUILT.

WE'VE BEEN ASKED IN THE PAST TO SHOW AN INVENTORY OF PROPERTIES, AND SO WE THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE APPENDIX IS, BUT THE ACTUAL DATA SHOWS THE UNIVERSE OF RENTAL HOUSING, AND THAT'S WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE APPENDIX, AND THE LAST REPORT YOU DID, YOU ALSO PUT BRACKETS AROUND AND ONLY INCLUDED FROM 1990 FORWARD, WHICH AGAIN, WAS COMPLETELY MISLEADING.

ALMOST EVERY AFFORDABLE UNIT IN MY DISTRICT WAS BUILT IN THE 80S.

THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN TRUE IN THE IN THE APPENDIX SHORT LIST OF INVENTORY.

IN THE ACTUAL DATA ANALYSIS, WE INCLUDED EVERY UNIT THAT WE COULD CAPTURE, REGARDLESS OF THE YEAR IT WAS BUILT.

SO WHERE DO YOU HAVE ANYWHERE IN THIS REPORT THAT UNIVERSE OF ALL PROPERTIES, THE ROSTER OF PROPERTIES OR THE COUNT EITHER ONE. SO THE FIRST 100 PAGES OF THE REPORT REPRESENT THE UNIVERSE OF ALL PROPERTIES, REGARDLESS OF THE YEAR THAT THEY WERE BUILT.

SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT BACKUP DATA.

I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT IS REFLECTED IN HERE OF WHAT'S THE REALITY OF MY SITUATION, AND I CAN'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF EVERY DISTRICT, BUT I DO KNOW THE DETAILS OF DISTRICT 12, AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN HERE THAT REALLY ARE SUSPECT TO ME, AND I WAS VERY, VERY SHOCKED TO READ.

SO LET'S LET'S GO WITH SLIDE FOUR WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MEDIAN INCOME.

HOW DOES DALLAS COMPARE TO THE REST OF THE METROPLEX WITH MEDIAN INCOME OR EVEN THE REST OF DALLAS COUNTY? IN THE REPORT, WE INCLUDE MEDIAN INCOME FOR THE CITY COMPARED TO THE COUNTY, THE METRO, AND THEN OTHER BIG TEXAS CITY PEERS.

SO AUSTIN AND HOUSTON, AND SO IF YOU LOOK LET'S SEE IF YOU GO TO PAGE, LET'S SEE, THERE'S A FEW PAGES WITH IT.

PAGE 37 FOR EXAMPLE, AND SO THIS WASN'T PROVIDED TO US IN ADVANCE.

THIS IS JUST WHAT YOU GAVE US THIS MORNING.

NO, AND I SHOULD CLARIFY, THE CPAL REPORT WAS SEPARATE FROM THIS WORK WITH THE CITY.

WE WERE INVITED JUST TO BE HERE SINCE THIS REPORT IS COMING LIVE THIS WEEK.

YOU'RE THE FIRST TO SEE IT.

SO WE JUST FINISHED IT ON FRIDAY, AND SO I WAS INVITED HERE TO SPEAK TO RENTAL QUESTIONS.

IF THEY APPEARED.

SO WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN IT TO YOU SOONER, BUT IT JUST CAME BACK FROM THE PRINTER.

OKAY. SO I'M NOT SEEING IN YOUR BOOKLET, I'M NOT SEEING ON PAGE 37.

IS IT ON 38? 38? OKAY YES SO THANK YOU, THOR.

SORRY. 38 IS THE MEDIAN INCOME.

IT SHOWS YOU BY CITY, COUNTY, METRO AUSTIN AND HOUSTON, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY BREAKING IT DOWN BY RACE AND ETHNICITY, BUT YOU ALSO SEE THE OVERALL MEDIAN INCLUDED AS WELL IN THAT DATA.

SO YOU CAN SEE KIND OF-- SO I GUESS MY POINT IS THAT THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS IS MUCH LOWER THAN FOR DALLAS COUNTY, AND DALLAS COUNTY IS MUCH LOWER THAN THE DFW METRO. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY. MEDIAN INCOME HERE.

SO DO YOU THINK IT'S INCUMBENT UPON DALLAS TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE? BECAUSE LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN SOME OF YOUR EXAMPLES, WHICH I DO WANT TO GET TO IS, OH NO, SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE TO GO TO ONE OF THE SURROUNDING CITIES TO LIVE.

WHICH, BY THE WAY, I'M GOING TO SAY NO, COME TO DISTRICT 12.

WE HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BELOW 80% AVAILABLE TODAY, LESS THAN A MILE FROM MY HOUSE.

IT IS LITERALLY MIXED INCOME, GOOD SCHOOLS, TRANSPORTATION, JOBS, GROCERY STORES, EVERY SINGLE THING WE TALK ABOUT AVAILABLE TODAY LESS THAN 80% AMI

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SO I SHOULD CLEAR UP, THE CPAL REPORT IS SEPARATE FROM THE THOSE PROFILES.

WE I CAN'T COMMENT ON OR CAN'T COMMENT ON WHAT THE ROLE OF THE CITY IS VERSUS I THINK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POLICY AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE A MUCH, MUCH GREATER AMOUNT OF POVERTY IN OUR CITY THAN ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTY AND ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE METRO AREA.

WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO BUILD EVERY SINGLE BIT OF HOUSING, AND WE MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR SUBURBS TO ACTUALLY ABSORB SOME OF THAT HOUSING, BECAUSE IT CAN'T JUST BE US AND THEY'RE GETTING FEDERAL DOLLARS TO DO THAT WORK AS WELL, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH THEIR HOUSING AUTHORITY'S, THROUGH THEIR CDBG, THROUGH THEIR HOME PROGRAM, AND WE NEED THEM TO EXPEND THOSE FUNDS TO ALSO PROVIDE THAT KIND OF HOUSING.

SO LET ME GO TO THIS QUESTION.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CONTINUED POPULATION GROWTH, BUT ACTUALLY OUR POPULATION HASN'T GROWN.

NOW, IT MAY HAVE TICKED UP A LITTLE BIT FROM LAST YEAR, BUT OVER TIME, WE'VE HAD MORE THAN TEN YEARS WHERE WE'VE ESSENTIALLY BEEN AT 1.3 MILLION.

SO LIKE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, OH, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THIS POPULATION GROWTH, THERE'S ALL THIS PRESSURE ON HOUSING, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT KIND OF STATEMENT.

I'LL NOTE THAT THE HOUSING OR THE POPULATION GROWTH PROJECTIONS ON THAT FINAL SLIDE ARE THE PROJECTIONS FROM THE NORTH TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, PRODUCES 25, 50 YEAR PROJECTIONS THAT INFORM TRANSPORTATION POLICY, AMONG OTHER THINGS AND SO IN HERE, WE DIDN'T DO OUR OWN PROJECTIONS OF POPULATION GROWTH, BUT DID LOOK TO THAT SOURCE SINCE THEY LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THOSE LONG TERM DEMOGRAPHIC TRENDS.

OKAY, BUT TO COUNCILMEMBER WEST'S POINT, THERE'S ACTUALLY NOT THAT MUCH POPULATION GROWTH EXPECTED.

I MEAN, IT'S REALLY MODEST.

UNLESS WE DO SOMETHING WHICH I HOPE WE WILL BECAUSE DALLAS IS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE AND I HOPE THAT WE WILL BUILD A LOT MORE HOUSING, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THROUGH PFCS.

ON PAGE EIGHT, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING COST BURDENED AND YOU SAY 62% OF RENTERS AND 50% OF HOMEOWNERS ARE ALL OF THOSE SINGLE EARNING HOUSEHOLDS? I BELIEVE ARE THOSE SINGLE EARNING HOUSEHOLD? I THINK THAT IS OVERALL, BUT IF JAYLA HAS CLARIFICATION ON THAT, I'LL LET HER CHIME IN AS WELL.

I LOOKED, IT ACCOUNTS FOR ALL HOUSEHOLDS.

SO IT'S NOT JUST LOOKING AT SINGLE OWNERS, JUST THE HOUSE'S COLLECTIVE INCOME IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO DETERMINE COST BURDEN.

SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ON THIS PAGE ABOUT HOUSING SUPPLY HAVING GROWN 5% SINCE 2017, MOSTLY BY ADDING THE LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

WHAT IS THE GROWTH RATE YOU'RE SEEING FOR HOUSING SUPPLY IN OUR FIRST RING SUBURBS IN DALLAS COUNTY? I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA TODAY, BUT WE CAN LOOK INTO IT.

WELL, I WOULD QUESTION WHY WE HAVE GROWN AT 5% IF OTHERS HAVE GROWN MORE RAPIDLY AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO FIND, BUT IF YOU CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

IF DALLAS LOSES 800 AFFORDABLE UNITS BECAUSE OF THE RESTRICTIONS EXPIRING, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT WILL HAPPEN TO THAT REAL ESTATE? WOULD IT BE REDEVELOPED INTO MARKET RATE? WOULD IT, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN TO IT? I THINK YOU'LL SEE.

I MEAN, THERE'S MANY PROPERTIES IN HERE.

I THINK YOU'D SEE SOME CONVERSION TO MARKET RATE.

WHAT FORM THAT TAKES, I THINK, WOULD DEPEND A LOT ON EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES, BUT YOU'RE NOT EXPECTING WOULD ACTUALLY LOSE HOUSING STOCK, JUST MAYBE AFFORDABILITY OF THE HOUSING STOCK FOR THOSE UNITS.

IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY RIGHT.

I THINK THE QUESTION, THE REASON I'M PAUSING IS BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER AROUND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE UNITS ARE OLDER AND PROBABLY REACHING THE END OF THEIR YOU KNOW, I WOULD AGREE, AND SO THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT MY POINT IS THAT SOME OF THOSE FRANKLY, NEED TO BE PUSHED DOWN AND START OVER.

THEY WERE BUILT IN AN EXPENSIVE WAY.

THEY'RE IN TERRIBLE CONDITION.

THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE COMPLAIN ABOUT THEM AND THEY PROBABLY NEED TO BE REDONE.

SO PERHAPS THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY WITH ONE OF OUR TOOLS, ONE OF OUR CORPORATIONS, TO DO THAT, BUT I'M NOT UNHAPPY TO SEE SOME OF THESE REALLY CHALLENGING PROPERTIES BE PUSHED OVER AND REDEVELOPED.

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YOU SAY THERE'S 113,500 RENTER HOUSEHOLDS WITH ANNUAL INCOMES AT OR BELOW 50% AMI, WHICH IS REPRESENTING ABOUT 73,600 UNITS OF AFFORDABLE.

SO WITH A $40,000 GAP IN I'M SORRY, 40,000 NUMBER OF GAP IN UNITS FOR THE PEOPLE AT 50% AMI AND UNDER, DO YOU BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE CONCENTRATING OUR LIMITED RESOURCES ON THIS INCOME BAND, OR SHOULD WE CONTINUE TO FUND AND SUBSIDIZE APARTMENT COMPLEXES WHERE 50% OF THE UNITS ARE MARKET RATE, AND THEN THE OTHER 50% ARE TYPICALLY 80% AMI OR 80 TO 100% AMI? I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT THIS.

WHY ARE WE INVESTING IN THE 80% AND UP WHEN WE HAVE A VERY CLEAR, DEMONSTRATED NEED OF THE LOWER, LOWER INCOME BANDS? I DON'T I'M NOT SURE WHO YOU'RE ASKING, BUT I'LL RESPOND.

I THINK AS THE DIRECTOR OF HOUSING, WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING OUR RESOURCES, OUR LIMITED RESOURCES ON THE AREAS THAT WE NEED TO FILL GAPS ON. SO THAT WOULD BE HOUSEHOLDS AT 50% OR BELOW AND HOMEOWNERSHIP.

OKAY, AND SO MY LAST QUESTION IS ON SLIDE TEN.

DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK THIS IS A SLIDE THAT IS ACTUALLY MORE ABOUT INFLATION THAN ANYTHING ELSE? I DO THINK IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY ABOUT INFLATION.

YES. I THINK THERE'S OTHER FACTORS WITHIN HERE, BUT I MEAN YOU'VE SEEN THIS NATIONALLY AS WELL AND THE MANIFESTED LOCALLY AND THE INCREASE IN HOME PRICES, AND I WOULD SAY THAT INCLUDES SLIDES 14 THROUGH 18 WHERE I THINK YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT INFLATION AND WE'VE ALL FELT IT, AND EVERY INCOME BAND, EVERY PART OF THE COUNTRY, AS YOU SAY, AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT THIS IS HELPING US INFORM POLICY AS MUCH AS REINFORCING WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW WITHOUT DATA, LIKE WE ALL KNOW IT.

SO OKAY THANK YOU, CHAIR.

I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS IF THERE'S TIME.

CHAIR GRACEY.

THANK YOU. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN.

WITH SO MUCH, I WISH YOU ALL COULD SEE MY NOTES, AND SHE'S ALL ORGANIZED AND MINE ARE JUST SCRIBBLED ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND I DON'T EVEN HAVE MY THOUGHTS.

I WANT TO START JUST WITH KIND OF SOME OF THAT EXISTING AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT ARE ALREADY IN.

I'LL JUST SPEAK IN SOUTHERN DALLAS ALREADY, AND THEN I CAN'T HELP WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT.

I CAN'T HELP BUT TO THINK ABOUT THE INTENT OR THE HEART BY WHICH THOSE UNITS WERE ESTABLISHED.

SO TO CHAIR MENDELSOHN'S POINT, SOME OF THOSE UNITS NEED TO BE EITHER REPURPOSED OR DESTROYED JUST BECAUSE OF THE HEART AND THE INTENT BY WHICH AND THE DIVISION AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS BY WHICH THEY WERE ESTABLISHED.

I DID LOOK AT THE CHART AND ALL OF THAT, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, TO COUNCILMEMBER WEST'S POINT, I THINK SOME OF THE DATA THAT'S MISSING AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, AND I CAN APPRECIATE ALL OF THIS DATA.

I AM VERY MUCH A DATA JUNKIE, AND I CAN APPRECIATE ALL THIS DATA AND THE DIFFERENT SOURCES THAT YOU PULL FROM AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THERE'S DIFFERENT CAVEATS IN TERMS OF HOW THAT DATA CAN BE INTERPRETED, BUT WHAT'S MISSING FOR ME IS WE HAVE ONE THE AS FAR AS THE GROWTH RATE, ALL OF THIS, YOU KNOW, AND THIS NEED FOR THESE AFFORDABLE UNITS AND ALL OF THESE THINGS IS BASED ON THE CITY'S GROWTH RATE, AND FOR ME, I KEEP ASKING THESE QUESTIONS, HELP ME UNDERSTAND DISTRICT THREE'S GROWTH RATE, AND I THINK CHAIR WEST USED THAT POINT THAT WOULD HELP ME DETERMINE WHAT OUR NORTH STAR COULD BE IN TERMS OF CONTRIBUTING TO THE GROWTH RATE.

BECAUSE, AGAIN, I HAVE A LOT OF FACTORS, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WITH ALL OF THOSE OLD UNITS THAT WE HAVE IN THE DISTRICT, THAT'S ONE THING VERSUS, YOU KNOW, SAYING, OH, THERE'S THIS NEED BECAUSE THERE'S THIS SHORTAGE, AND GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY SEEN, YOU KNOW, AFRICAN AMERICANS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE ECONOMIC CHALLENGES THAT ARE AGAINST US, AND SO AGAIN, THIS DATA IS JUST INCOMPLETE FOR SO MANY REASONS, BUT LET ME JUST GET TO MY QUESTIONS.

THE FIRST ONE IS IS EXACTLY THAT.

CAN I GET DATA SPECIFICALLY FOR DISTRICT THREE? SO WE COULD OR REALLY BY DISTRICT I KNOW WE SEE THE RENTAL UNITS, BUT WHAT ABOUT HOMEOWNERSHIP? WHAT ABOUT WHAT IS THE GROWTH RATE FOR DISTRICT THREE BY DISTRICT SO THAT WE COULD SEE WHERE ARE PEOPLE MOVING.

SO THAT CAN HELP US DETERMINE DO THESE UNITS NEED TO BE DO THEY REALLY NEED TO BE GOING HERE, OR ARE THEY JUST PUTTING THEM HERE BECAUSE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO LAND THEN WE GET MORE, HEY, WE SOLVED THE SOLUTION OVER HERE IN SOUTHERN DALLAS BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

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I'M WRAPPING IT UP. OKAY.

SO THAT'S ONE. ALL RIGHT.

CHAIR GRACEY, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT, AND SO I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE DIRECTING THAT TO STAFF OR TO OUR CONSULTANT OR BOTH, BUT I THINK THAT'S IN ORDER FOR US TO HAVE THOSE ONE ON ONES WITH EACH COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE.

YEAH. SO, SO REALLY, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE TO EVERYBODY SITTING, WHOEVER CREATED THIS DATA, I WANT MORE OF IT, BUT REALLY BY DISTRICT.

SO IF THAT'S ALL OF YOU ALL GETTING TOGETHER TO PRODUCE THAT DATA, THAT IS SOMETHING I WANT TO SEE.

I THINK WE ALL WANT TO SEE THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK IT HELPS US DETERMINE WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE AND HOW WE CAN CONTRIBUTE.

THANK YOU FOR THAT, CHAIR.

COUNCILMAN, I'LL JUST TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT'S PART OF THE PLAN COMING UP IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS IS FINALIZING THE ACTION PLANS, AND WE'LL HAVE DATA BROKEN DOWN ACROSS THE CITY BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT TRENDS ACROSS THE CITY, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S IN RELATION TO WHAT WE HAVE.

SO AS WE COME BACK TO YOU WITH SOMETHING TO LOOK AT AND TO REFLECT ON, WE REALLY WILL LOOK FOR YOUR EXPERTISE ON YOUR DISTRICTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING IS ACCURATE. OKAY. THANK YOU, AND THEN AS FAR AS I THINK SOMEBODY MENTIONED IT, I'M GONNA ASK IT FROM TWO DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AS FAR AS THE, THE DHF? WHICH ONE IS IT? DHFA? DALLAS HOUSING FINANCE.

THOSE PROPERTIES HAVE THERE BEEN ANY CONVERSATIONS AS WE TALK ABOUT CONVERSION AND THEIR BEING OUTDATED? HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT POTENTIALLY CONVERTING THOSE INTO OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES? SO I HAVE SOME THAT, YOU KNOW, IN MY DISTRICT THAT I THINK COULD BE, YOU KNOW, CONVERTED BEAUTIFULLY, AND AGAIN, I KNOW THERE'S DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS BUT COULD BE CONVERTED BEAUTIFULLY INTO SOME CONDOS FOR INSTANCE, TO HELP WITH SOME OF THESE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT THE, THE AMI RATE BUT ALSO THE AFFORDABILITY PIECE OF IT, AND I THINK THAT'S A WAY THAT WE COULD SOLVE, SOME SOLUTIONS AND COULD BE SOME PRACTICAL CONVERSATIONS TO BE HAD WITH WITH THAT ORGANIZATION.

IT'S JUST SOME THOUGHTS. SO HAS THAT EVER TAKEN PLACE OR IS IS THAT ILLEGAL? I DON'T KNOW ALL THE RULES. I'M JUST ASKING.

I'M TRYING TO FIND SOLUTIONS TO ADD TO THIS DATA THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED.

CERTAINLY, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION AS TO WHAT THEY CAN DO MOVING FORWARD, KEEPING IN MIND THAT THEY ARE PRIMARILY EXISTENT FOR MULTIFAMILY RENTAL AND RENTAL.

RIGHT, BUT AGAIN, THEIR PROCEEDS CAN GO TO A LOT OF THINGS, AND THOSE ARE CONVERSATIONS WE NEED TO HAVE IN WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THEIR PROCEEDS.

RIGHT. PERFECT. OKAY.

OH, I THINK I SAW ON SLIDE 11 THAT TOTAL HOME LOSS.

THAT TOTAL HOME LOSS.

WHAT? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I THINK I DON'T HAVE MINE.

OR WHAT WAS THE CAUSE OF THAT 6600 TOTAL HOME LOSS? WHAT IS THE CAUSE OF THAT, I GUESS, OR WOULD THAT JUST BE JUST DILAPIDATED HOMES TORN DOWN OR I THINK IT COULD BE HOMES.

YEAH. HOMES BEING TORN DOWN OR SMALLER UNITS BEING REPLACED WITH LARGER BUILDINGS.

OKAY. SOME COMBINATION OF FACTORS THAT.

YEAH. I COULD ASK THAT QUESTION.

ON SLIDE 19, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT, AND YOU WANT ME TO ASK AND UNFORTUNATELY, I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I'LL ASK IT FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES.

YOU KNOW, AFRICAN AMERICAN, YOU KNOW, WENT DOWN 6% AND SEEMINGLY WHITES WENT DOWN 3% AND EVERYBODY ELSE JUMPED, INCLUDING HISPANICS AND OTHERS.

WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT THE WHAT IS THAT? AND AS WE'RE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS, DOES THAT CONTINUE TO PLAY A PROBLEM IN THIS.

BECAUSE I WANT TO HAVE A REALISTIC DISCUSSION ABOUT ALL OF THIS.

BECAUSE AGAIN, WE CAN PUT ALL OF THIS DATA TOGETHER, BUT REALISTICALLY WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE FACING.

WE KNOW WHAT WE'VE BEEN FACING, AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE I DON'T AGAIN, FOR DALLAS CONVERSATION AND ALL THAT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THESE SAME CONVERSATIONS.

I DON'T WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT HISTORY.

SO AS WE'RE HAVING WHAT ARE THE CAUSES OF THESE DECLINES? AND WOULD THEY CONTINUE TO BE A BARRIER FOR IN MY DISTRICT, AGAIN, CREATING OPPORTUNITIES AGAIN, I'LL SAY THIS, I APPRECIATE PFCS BECAUSE THEY GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO UPGRADE AND TO ELEVATE AND CONTINUE TO EVOLVE IN OUR HOUSING TYPES.

SO I DO APPRECIATE THOSE, BUT AGAIN, IF WE'RE HAVING THESE SAME REALISTIC BARRIERS, IS THIS REALLY A CONVERSATION THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE CAN BE PARTICIPATING IN OR WE CAN BE

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SO WHAT IS THAT? I MEAN, I THINK YOU SEE THE RACIAL DISPARITIES AND HISTORY MANIFEST IN THIS DATA AND IN THE TRENDS THAT WE'VE SEEN.

I THINK WE'VE SEEN THE BARRIERS TO YOU KNOW, WEALTH BUILDING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND INCOME GROWTH.

SO A MANIFESTATION OF THAT, OF THAT TREND AND THAT HISTORY, AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES ACTIVE, AND AGAIN, I PUT THAT OUT THERE AND I'M GLAD YOU POINTED THAT OUT, AND AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T GO UNNOTICED BY ME, BUT AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THE UNDERTONE OF ALL OF THESE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT FORWARD DALLAS, I'M TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THESE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE UNDERTONE OF ALL OF THIS FEELS VERY REPEATED BY A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED IN OAK CLIFF, IN PARTICULAR, FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ALL OF THIS RENTAL, YES, THAT IS A NEED, BUT AGAIN, THIS KEEPS US THERE, AND THAT LACK OF OPPORTUNITY TO OWN HOMES IS GOING TO BE A CONTINUED PROBLEM.

SO I'LL JUST CONTINUE TO PUSH FOR THAT AND CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE MORE OPPORTUNITIES.

WHICH BRINGS ME TO THAT QUESTION, AND THEN I'LL STOP, CHAIR.

I KNOW I'VE BEEN GOING A LITTLE BIT TOO LONG, BUT THIS IS MY LAST ONE.

ON SLIDE 31, ON THOSE THOSE HOMEBUYER PROGRAMS, WHERE ARE THEY BUYING THE HOMES? YEAH. SO THE PROGRAM IS FOR EXISTING HOMES AS WELL AS NEWLY DEVELOPED HOMES, AND WHAT IS HAPPENING IS A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE BUYING THE NEWLY DEVELOPED HOMES.

THOSE ARE IN SOUTHERN SECTOR OF DALLAS.

WE HAVE NEW HOMES GOING UP, AND THEY'RE SPORADIC.

IF THEY FIND A HOME, IF THE HOME BUYERS FIND A HOME NORTHEAST, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER THEY FIND ONE THAT'S FOR SALE THAT THEY CAN AFFORD, WE HELP THEM PURCHASE THAT.

THAT'S NOT LIMITED TO ANY PART OF DALLAS.

IT IS CITYWIDE AND BUT AGAIN, THERE'S HOMES ARE HARD TO FIND THAT ARE AFFORDABLE.

SO THEY'RE USUALLY BUYING THE ONES THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED EITHER THROUGH ONE OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS OR NEWLY DEVELOPED BY ANOTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPER LIKE ONE OF OUR NONPROFIT DEVELOPERS AND COUNCILMAN AND OUR PERFORMANCE REPORTS.

THE YEAR END IS COMING OUT NEXT MONTH.

WE HAVE THAT BREAKDOWN OF HOME BUYERS PER COUNCIL DISTRICT, SO YOU'LL SEE WHERE THEY IN WHICH COUNCIL DISTRICTS PEOPLE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE DHAP PROGRAM.

PERFECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

COUNCILMEMBER GRACEY, IF I CAN JUST GIVE A COMMENT ON YOUR QUESTION ABOUT DECLINING HOMEOWNERSHIP RATES FOR BLACK RESIDENTS.

OUR REPORT IS ABOUT THE RENTAL MARKET, BUT WE DID LOOK AT CHANGES OVER TIME IN INCOME BY RACE AND ETHNICITY.

WE LOOKED AT NOMINAL CHANGES AS WELL AS CHANGES ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION, AND SO IF YOU LOOK IN THE BOOKLET ON PAGE 118, THIS MIGHT THIS IS A DATA POINT THAT MIGHT HELP IN THE BIGGER CONVERSATION ABOUT DECLINING HOMEOWNERSHIP, BUT WHAT WE SEE IS THAT WHEN WE ADJUST INCOME.

CHANGE IN INCOME FROM 2012 TO 2022 FOR INFLATION, WE SEE GREATER DISPARITIES IN INCOME GROWTH.

SO FROM 2012 TO 22 AGAIN.

ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION, BLACK HOUSEHOLDS HAD AN 8% INCREASE IN INCOME RELATIVE TO HISPANIC AND LATINO HOUSEHOLDS HAD A 28% INCREASE IN INCOME OVER THAT TIME.

SO INCOME GROWTH WHEN ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION, HAS BEEN SLOWEST FOR BLACK HOUSEHOLDS.

SO THAT MIGHT BE A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO THAT DECLINING HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE.

AGAIN, I CAN'T SAY SINCE WE DIDN'T LOOK AT HOMEOWNERSHIP SPECIFICALLY, BUT WE WERE INTERESTED IN THAT DATA WHEN WE ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION, WHEN WE ADJUSTED INCOMES FOR INFLATION. THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THAT EXPLANATION.

I'M GONNA CHANNEL MY INNER COUNCILWOMAN ARNOLD TO SAY ONE I KNEW THAT ANSWER, TOO, AND IN HER SPIRIT, WE ARE GOING TO STAY WOKE.

[CHUCKLING] ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS.

THANK YOU FOR SHARING THE REPORT WITH US A BIT EARLY, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTNERSHIP.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, HERE AT CITY HALL, WE'RE DRIVEN BY DATA, AND THAT'S OKAY, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DATA THAT WE'RE ANALYZING IS CONSISTENT AND THAT IT'S ACCURATE.

SO I THINK YOU HEARD OUR MARCHING ORDERS OF MAKING SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT GEOGRAPHICAL AREAS, THAT'S CONSISTENT AND THAT WE SHARE THAT ACROSS THE BOARD.

FOR ME, IT'S SIMPLE FOR MY PRIORITY IS PRESERVING AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT'S IN STOCK TODAY.

I HAVE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX ON LIVE OAK RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S ABOUT A 25 TO 50 UNIT AFFORDABLE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT'S BEING REPLACED BY A 327 LUXURY APARTMENT THAT IS DISPLACING THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE LIVED IN THOSE PROPERTIES.

WE TALK ABOUT HOMEOWNERSHIP.

WE TALK ABOUT INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE LIVED IN THEIR HOMES FOR GENERATIONS WHO ARE BEING DISPLACED, WHETHER THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THEM, OR THEY

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WE'RE SPREADING OURSELVES WAY TOO THIN.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE WAY TOO MANY GOALS WHERE IT'S AT THAT MARKET RATE THAT WORKFORCE HOUSING, THE AFFORDABILITY AND THAT 30 TO 50% AMI IS WHAT WE, I WANT TO TARGET TOWARDS.

WE TALK ABOUT THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE.

I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT PFCS AND HFCS AND REDOING SOME OF THOSE BYLAWS IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE LIMITED RESOURCES THAT ARE AFFORDED TO US, THAT WE'RE PROVIDING IT TO THE GREATEST NEED, AND THAT IS DEEP AFFORDABILITY, IN MY OPINION, AND SO, AGAIN, JUST HOMEOWNERSHIP FOR ME IS KEY, AND THAT'S RENTAL AFFORDABILITY AS WELL FOR THOSE UNITS THAT ARE SMALLER UNITS TYPICALLY IN OLD EAST DALLAS, AND I SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL KNOW OUR DISTRICTS.

WELL, WE ALL KNOW WHERE PEOPLE DEVELOPERS ARE GRABBING, AND SO I DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DEEP DIVE NOT ONLY ON THIS COMMITTEE, BUT THE ENTIRE COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO CHIME IN ON THAT, AND WITH THAT, WE'LL GO TO A SECOND ROUND WITH TWO MINUTES AND GO AHEAD, COUNCILMEMBER WILLIS.

I JUST HAD A QUESTION, AND IT'S A POINT THAT I FORGOT TO MENTION LAST TIME, BUT POINT ON PAGE 29 WE TALK ABOUT A PROJECTED GROWTH BY 2045 OF 200,000, AND THE FIGURE I'VE HEARD FROM THE NORTH TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS IS 300,000.

SO I MEAN IF YOU AMORTIZE THAT, THAT'S 15,000 PEOPLE A YEAR.

SO THAT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, BUT THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT I'VE, I THINK WE'VE BEEN USING MORE FREQUENTLY, BUT I SEE THAT YOU'RE USING A DIFFERENT SOURCE.

SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT AND TO SEE IF WE COULD RECONCILE THAT, BECAUSE THAT 100,000 PERSON SWING IS SIGNIFICANT WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING.

SO WE WILL LOOK INTO THAT.

YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. I'LL, I GOT ONE POINT AND ONE REQUEST.

I THINK IT'S REALLY TELLING.

IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 19.

THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT IN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, ASHLEY.

THE PROJECTED HOUSING SUPPLY GAP.

THIS IS IN YOUR THIS IS IN YOUR ACTUAL BOOKLET, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS, ACROSS ALL AMI CATEGORIES FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS ALONE, WE NEED 271,000 UNITS TO MEET PROJECTED DEMAND FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS ALONE, AND I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE.

WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO SUPPLY ALL THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE REGION, BUT WE AT LEAST NEED TO MEET OUR OWN NEED FOR THE CITY, AND THEN YOU CAN PAIR THAT GRAPHIC ON PAGE 19 OF THE NEW EXECUTIVE SUMMARY TO SLIDE 32.

WE YOU CAN GO TO THAT ONE, AND YOU CAN SEE ON SLIDE 32 THAT OUR EXISTING PROGRAMS WERE BARELY DOING 1000, 1500, IF I'M BEING GENEROUS HERE, AND THIS DOESN'T OF COURSE INCLUDE THE PFC AND HFC, BUT IT'S NOT MUCH MORE THAN THAT EVEN WHEN YOU ADD THEM IN.

SO WE SHOULD BE TO MEET OUR PROJECTED GOAL BUILDING 20-25K NEW UNITS PER YEAR.

WE'RE BARELY DOING 10% OF THAT.

IT'S A HUGE PROBLEM, AND SO I'LL END ON THIS.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD JUST BE LIVING HERE IN HOUSING.

IT'S TOO BIG.

I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THIS TO THE FULL COUNCIL FOR A BRIEFING, AND I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK HARD AT WHAT I WAS RECOMMENDING EARLIER THAT WE CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, A THIRD PARTY ENTITY TO COME HELP US MEET THESE GOALS.

IT'S AN ALL HANDS ON DECK SITUATION FOR OUR CITY AT THIS POINT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

WELL, I STILL HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS, AND I THINK THAT I'M GOING TO RUN OUT OF TIME.

SO I THINK I'M GOING TO MAKE SOME STATEMENTS, AND THEN IF I HAVE TIME, I'M GOING TO CONTINUE WITH QUESTIONS.

I AGREE THAT IT SHOULD GO TO THE FULL COUNCIL, BUT NOT UNTIL WE HAVE THE FULL DATA, BECAUSE THIS INFORMATION I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU DOES NOT FEEL LIKE A REAL SNAPSHOT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN HOUSING IN DALLAS, AND THAT'S WHAT THE FULL COUNCIL SHOULD PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT, NOT SOMETHING THAT IS FRANKLY SEEMS TO BE CHERRY PICKED TO PUSH CERTAIN POLICY AGENDAS, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE, AGAIN, I CAN ONLY LOOK AT IT FROM A DEEP DIVE OF MY OWN DISTRICT.

IT IS NOT SHOWING WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING UNTIL YOU HAVE A REPORT THAT SHOWS THE MOST AFFORDABLE UNITS ARE ACTUALLY IN DISTRICT TEN, AND THE SECOND ARE IN DISTRICT 12, YOU HAVE NOT ACTUALLY SHOWN WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR MARKET.

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YOU COULD MOVE TO DISTRICT TEN OR DISTRICT 12 WHERE THERE IS ACTUALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT MARKET RATE NATURALLY OCCURRING.

I HAVE THREE DIFFERENT COMPLEXES MCCALLUM HIGHLANDS, THE LANDING AT MCCALLUM, AND GABLES ON MCCALLUM.

ALL OF THEM HAVE UNITS ONE BEDROOM, ONE BATH AND TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY AFFORDABLE BELOW 80%.

LIKE, YOU COULD JUST GO DO IT TODAY AND WE WELCOME YOU.

IT'S A VERY DIVERSE DISTRICT.

WE LOVE EVERYBODY. COME ON UP, BUT TO SAY THAT THE ONLY OPTION IS TO HAVE A ROOMMATE OR MOVE TO MESQUITE OR ARLINGTON IS RIDICULOUS.

THAT'S COMPLETELY NOT TRUE.

SO I'M ALSO CONCERNED ON PAGE 24, WHEN YOU'RE USING THIS EXAMPLE, I THINK OF THE SERVER THAT YOU SAY THAT THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE RACIAL DIVERSITY OF DALLAS, AND IT'S NOT IT'S A VERY BIG MISMATCH.

SO WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE 51% WHITE, 27.5% HISPANIC, 10% BLACK.

WE HAVE MORE THAN DOUBLE THAT FOR BLACK AND ALMOST DOUBLE HISPANIC.

I MEAN, THIS IS NOT AT ALL WHAT OUR MAKEUP IS, AND AGAIN, I THINK IT'S VERY MISLEADING ABOUT WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE AND YOU KNOW, I DO THINK THERE'S A RACIAL ASPECT HERE, AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT GOVERNMENT PURPOSE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR, NOT TO SOLVE HOUSING FOR DALLAS, BUT TO ACTUALLY ALLOCATE THE GOVERNMENT DOLLARS FOR A GOVERNMENT PURPOSE IS NOT AT 80 TO 120%.

AMI AND I'M GOING TO JUST CONTINUE SAYING THAT BECAUSE OUR PURPOSE IS REALLY TO HELP THE LEAST ABLE TO SERVE THEMSELVES.

I ALSO AGREE ABOUT PRESERVING AFFORDABLE HOMES, BUT NOT NECESSARILY PRESERVING MULTIFAMILY UNITS THAT ARE NOT SAFE AND HEALTHY, THAT AREN'T PROVIDING THE KIND OF ENVIRONMENT WE WOULD WANT OUR OWN FAMILIES TO LIVE IN, AND THE LAST THING I'M GOING TO SAY IS THAT WE CAN'T ACTUALLY HAVE AN ACTION PLAN UNTIL WE HAVE ALL THE DATA.

AS MUCH AS I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO HAVE AN ACTION PLAN, NUMBER ONE, I DON'T WANT TO SHOW UP AT THE HORSESHOE AND GET NEW DATA.

I DON'T LIKE THAT AT ALL, I CAME PREPARED.

I EXPECT TO HAVE GOTTEN ALL OF THE INFORMATION ON TIME, BUT WE NEED TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE INFORMATION IN ADVANCE.

YOU NEED TO GET FEEDBACK AND THEN YOU NEED TO INCORPORATE THAT FEEDBACK.

THAT'S NOT HAPPENING, BUT WE NEED AN ENTIRE AN ENTIRE SCOPE OF WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING IN HOUSING HERE, AND I DON'T THINK THIS QUITE HITS THE MARK.

THIS IS, AGAIN, I THINK, VERY SELECTED INFORMATION.

THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN WILLIS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I WILL SAY IT AGAIN I THINK I APPRECIATE THIS DATA I REALLY DO, AND AGAIN, FOR ME TO GET ME FULLY CONVINCED, I THINK WE NEED A FULL RANGE.

THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID, AND I THINK AND I'LL JUST REITERATE THAT THE DATA BY DISTRICT GROWTH RATE AND ALL IS GOING TO BE SO CRITICAL BECAUSE AGAIN, WHATEVER THAT IS. PERSONALLY, I FEEL LIKE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF AFFORDABLE, BOTH NEW AND OLD.

THAT'S ALREADY BEEN THERE, BUT WHAT WE DON'T HAVE ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THOSE DIFFERENT RANGES.

WE'VE HAD DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS WITH DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS ABOUT THOSE THINGS, BUT I THINK HAVING THAT DATA WILL THEN HELP ME HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND TOOK A TOUR WITH LINDA MCMAHON AND SHOW HER THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE IN DISTRICT THREE.

BY THE WAY, WE ARE THE OUTDOOR DESTINATION OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND SHE NOW SEES IT AND BELIEVES IT AS WELL.

I SAY THAT TO SAY THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES, BUT WE NEED THIS DATA SO THAT WE CAN PROPERLY MARKET THIS.

OTHERWISE IT'S JUST GOING TO HAVE THIS RESISTANCE TO IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO FEEL VERY FORCED, VERY RUSHED AND VERY REPEATED.

I JUST HAVE TO KEEP USING THAT WORD.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

WE WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO BRIEFING ITEM C.

GOOD MORNING, CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, COUNCIL COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

CHRISTINE CROSSLEY, OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS DIRECTOR.

EXCUSE ME. BRING THIS UP.

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WHILE WE'RE WAITING TO BRING UP THE SLIDES WE ARE JUST HERE TO BRING THIS TOPIC BACK TO HHS.

IN MAY, WE PROVIDED AN OVERVIEW OF MULTIPLE BRIDGE HOUSING TYPES BASED ON BEST PRACTICES FROM ACROSS THE NATION, INCLUDING SITES VISITED BY STAFF AND CITY COUNCILMEMBERS.

WE TALKED ABOUT HOW COST REALLY VARIES ACROSS ALL OF THE PRODUCT TYPES.

SO THE KEY FACTORS ARE WHAT THE SITE.

WHAT SITE IS CHOSEN AND THE AMOUNT OF PREPARATION IT NEEDS, AND HOW BIG YOU WANT THE SITE TO BE AND HOW QUICKLY PEOPLE CAN CYCLE THROUGH IT.

WITH THAT, WE RECOMMENDED INDUSTRIALIZED HOUSING PAIRED WITH A SITE BASED ON WHAT CAN BE MOST QUICKLY STOOD UP, AND THE INDUSTRIALIZED HOUSING, OF COURSE, IS SOMETHING THAT IS PERMANENT BUT COULD HAVE MULTIPLE USE CASES SO THERE'D BE A LONGER LIFESPAN AFTER THE BRIDGE PRODUCT, AND I CAN GO AHEAD AND START.

IF YOU GUYS HAVE THE DECK IN FRONT OF YOU, AM I ABLE TO DO THAT? YOU GUYS DO. OKAY.

SO THE FIRST COUPLE OF SLIDES ARE JUST A REHASH OF THINGS YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY SEEN.

WE TALK ABOUT WHERE THE SYSTEM IS RIGHT NOW, COMMUNITY WIDE PERFORMANCE.

WE TALK ABOUT THE PATH TO HOUSING.

WE KNOW THAT ADDING THIS TYPE OF HOUSING WOULD ADD TIME TO THE HOUSING CYCLE, AND ADD FUNDING THAT'S NOT YET IDENTIFIED.

THEN WE LOOK AT CASE STUDIES VISITED ACROSS THE US.

WE WENT TO SEE ARROYO SECO IN LOS ANGELES.

THAT WAS PREDOMINANTLY TINY HOMES.

WE WENT TO SEE ESPERANZA IN, AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT ALL.

THIS IS JUST A SELECTION.

WE WENT TO AUSTIN TO SEE THE ESPERANZA COMMUNITY, WHICH IS BRIDGE HOUSING, BUT THE SITES ARE PERMANENT, AND SO THERE'S A PERMANENT FOUNDATION POURED FOR THOSE SITES. WE ALSO WENT TO THE MELODY IN ATLANTA, AND THOSE ARE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING HOMES BUILT OUT OF SHIPPING CONTAINERS, AND THEN AGAIN IN SAN ANTONIO NOT SAN ANTONIO.

AUSTIN AS WELL WITH TRAVIS COUNTY.

WE WENT TO SEE MOBILE LOAVES AND FISHES, WHICH IS A PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING THAT ACTUALLY HAS SOME 3D PRINTED HOUSES AS WELL, WHICH IS PRETTY COOL.

SO BASED ON ALL OF THAT, WE ASKED THIS BODY FOR PROGRAM CRITERIA, AND WHAT WE GOT FROM THAT WAS FOR THE PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY A PILOT PROJECT THAT RUNS FOR 24 MONTHS CONSECUTIVELY, AND THEN, OF COURSE, THAT 24 MONTH PERIOD WOULD NOT START UNTIL THE DOORS OPEN.

SO THAT WOULDN'T THAT WOULDN'T BE HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PERIOD.

WE KNOW THAT BASED ON PERFORMANCE DATA, INDIVIDUALS WILL TAKE ROUGHLY FIVE PLUS MONTHS TO MOVE FROM THE SITE INTO PERMANENT HOUSING.

THANK YOU. WE'RE ON SLIDE TEN.

PRIORITY WOULD BE GIVEN TO THOSE WHO ARE CHRONICALLY UNSHELTERED, WITH ADDITIONAL SPECIALTY GROUPS BUILT IN BASED ON THE OPERATOR'S CAPACITY.

SPACE SHOULD ALSO BE PROVIDED FOR PET CARE AND WELL-BEING FOR COUPLES.

SITE WILL BE LOW BARRIER.

SO THAT'S THE PROGRAM CRITERIA, AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SITE CRITERIA AGAIN REFLECTED BACK FROM THE COMMITTEE THE DIRECTION PREDOMINANTLY THE PRIORITY DIRECTION WAS CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS, WHICH DO NOT YET HAVE A HOMELESSNESS SERVICE PROJECT.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE NOT EXPLORING SOMETHING.

OH, THIS IS SLIDE 11.

SORRY, I DIDN'T SAY. NEXT SLIDE, BUT THAT WE'RE LOOKING BUT THAT DON'T YET HAVE SOMETHING.

SO THAT WOULD BE IN FIVE AND NINE ESTABLISHED SITES WHERE THERE IS READY ACCESS TO RESOURCES.

SO THINGS SITES WHERE YOU CAN GET TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, COMMUNITY HEALTH SERVICES, FOOD RESOURCES, PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT WHERE THERE ARE NOT YET ESTABLISHED DAY OVERNIGHT OR EMERGENCY HOMELESSNESS SHELTERS.

NOW, GRANTED, YOU'RE STILL LOOKING FOR SOMETHING WITHIN A BUFFER ZONE, SO OBVIOUSLY IT CAN'T BE RIGHT NEXT TO A SCHOOL.

THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THEN WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD HAVE ROOM FOR, THE FEEDBACK FROM THE BODY WAS AT LEAST 50 UNITS OF HOUSING.

THAT COULD THEN BE EXPANDED TO A CAP OF 100 ADJACENT SAFE CAMPING SITES FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO AREN'T AT THE STAGE OF WANTING TO BE SHELTERED YET, AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL PARKING AREA FOR SAFE PARKING, AND WHEN WE SAY SAFE PARKING, WE MEAN A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO WHO ARE LIVING IN THEIR CARS.

SO THAT'S JUST A LAYMAN'S TERM, AND THEN AGAIN, THAT EXPANSION.

SO THEN ON SLIDE 12, WE LOOK AT WHAT THAT TRANSLATES INTO WHEN WE TAKE THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK ON THE SITE PARAMETERS AND THE PROGRAM PARAMETERS AND WE SAY, OKAY, IT NEEDS TO BE VACANT, CITY OWNED PUBLIC LAND.

WE KNOW THAT TO DO SOMETHING OF THIS SIZE, WE NEED A MINIMUM OF ONE ACRE.

REALLY, WE'D PREFER 3 TO 5 ACRES, A DISTANCE OF AT LEAST A MILE OR GREATER FROM RECREATION CENTERS, LIBRARIES, SCHOOLS.

ZONING IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ANYWHERE WE GO.

WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE TO DO A DIFFERENT PD OR SOMETHING FOR THE ZONING BUFFER SPACE.

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IS IT IN A DISTRICT WITH EXISTING HOMELESS SERVICES OR SHELTER SITES? DOES IT HAVE A UTILITY HOOKUP? DOES IT? WHAT TYPE OF PREPARATION IS NEEDED FOR THE SITE? AGAIN, THOSE LAST TWO QUESTIONS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT IN DETERMINING COST GOING INTO THE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEN JUST TO REHASH ON SLIDE 13 OF OUR PROJECT RESOURCES. SO FUNDING IF IT'S SOMETHING AGAIN, THAT'S INDUSTRIALIZED HOUSING WITH A PERMANENT INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE CITY HAS BOND FUNDING.

I REALLY WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT HERE WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE FOR EXPENDITURE LEFT IN FISCAL YEAR 25, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S THAT 11 MILLION DISCRETIONARY IN THE BOND, BUT THAT COMES OUT OVER THE YEARS.

SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, WE HAVE 1.7 LEFT FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.

DEVELOPMENT AND OPERATIONS.

WE HAVE SAID THAT WOULD NEED TO BE BROUGHT IN BY ANOTHER PARTNER.

THE CITY HAS NO ONGOING OPERATIONS OR DEVELOPMENT FUNDING, AND SO THEN AGAIN, WE DO A REHASH OF SLIDE ON SLIDE 14 OF HOMELESS SERVICES INITIATIVES BY DISTRICTS.

I KNOW WE'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS SLIDE, BUT IT'S JUST GOOD TO BRING IT BACK UP AND LOOK AT IT, AND WE HAVE A COUPLE THAT ARE AGAIN EXPLORATORY PHASES, BUT FIVE AND NINE REALLY DON'T HAVE A PHYSICAL BUILDING.

SO KNOWING ALL OF THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH TO THE SEARCH CRITERIA RESULTS ON 16.

WHICH IS THAT BASED ON THE ABOVE SEARCH CRITERIA.

NO CITY OWNED SITES HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED IN 5 OR 9.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE BEEN ALERTED TO ADDITIONAL SITES THAT COULD BE TALKED ABOUT, BUT GUIDANCE WOULD BE NEEDED FROM THE COMMITTEE FOR THOSE SITES TO BE TALKED ABOUT. BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE WERE TOLD TO LOOK AT CITY OWNED PROPERTY IN FIVE AND NINE.

WE HAVE NOT SEEN THAT.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE CAN'T BE OTHER PROJECTS IN THOSE DISTRICTS.

IT'S JUST WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE, AS WE'VE SEEN, IT HAS VERY, VERY SPECIFIC PARAMETERS.

YOU DON'T FIND THAT EASILY.

SO IN ORDER TO EXPLORE ANYTHING ELSE LAST SLIDE PLEASE.

WE REALLY NEED GUIDANCE FROM THIS BODY ON HOW TO PROCEED.

DO WE STAY WITH THE SAME SET PARAMETERS.

DO WE EXPAND THE PARAMETERS.

WHAT IS IT THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SEE MOVING FORWARD? AND WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER.

THANK YOU. WE'LL START TO MY LEFT, THIS TIME WITH COUNCILMEMBER GRACEY.

THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION AND I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT SOME OF THOSE SITES.

I KNOW IT HAS TO BE CITY OWNED, BUT ARE THERE ANY OPPORTUNITIES TO POTENTIALLY IN SOME OF THOSE THAT YOU DID VISIT, OPPORTUNITIES TO PARTNER WITH PRIVATELY OWNED? THERE COULD BE WE WANTED TO COME BACK TO THIS BODY WITH THE ORIGINAL SEARCH RESULTS FIRST AND THEN GO FROM THERE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR MIDDLETON.

THANK YOU. I'M NOT SURE WHY SLIDE THREE WAS IN THERE.

PERHAPS IT'S JUST AN INTRODUCTION, BUT I HAVE TO SAY THAT YOU'VE GOT IN HERE 8% RETURN TO HOMELESSNESS WITHIN 12 MONTHS, BUT OF COURSE, WE'RE PAYING FOR HOUSING THE ENTIRE 12 MONTHS.

ISN'T THAT CORRECT? SO THAT'S 12 MONTHS AFTER.

WE TRACK 12 AND 24 MONTHS AFTER A PROGRAM ENDS.

OKAY. SO FOR PAGE FOUR THE YOU'VE GOT THE BOX HIGHLIGHTED.

I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE THAT WHAT'S WRITTEN ACTUALLY REFLECTS THE IDEA THAT THIS IS INTENDED TO BE HOUSING FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE REFUSING A SHELTER BED. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, AGAIN, PRACTITIONER BEING ON THE STREET IS THAT 95% OF PEOPLE DO WANT HOUSING.

SO WE'RE BASING IT ON THE COST.

WE DO KNOW OKAY, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT HOUSING.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THERE'S AN ENCAMPMENT.

THE ENCAMPMENT IS ILLEGAL IN TEXAS.

IT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED.

THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GO TO SHELTER.

THEY NEED TO BE REMOVED.

THEY NEED TO HAVE A PLACE TO GO AND I'M SAYING THAT ORIGINALLY, OR EVENTUALLY, THOSE PEOPLE IDEALLY WILL MOVE ON TO HOUSING.

SO WE DO NEED TO FACTOR IN THE FACT THAT WE ARE NOT INTENDING FOR PEOPLE TO BE LIVING IN A TENT FOREVER.

THEY WILL ALL CYCLE THROUGH.

RIGHT? BUT WE'RE ALSO NOT INTENDING FOR THEM TO BE ENCAMPED FOR THE APPROXIMATELY.

I THINK IT'S IN HERE 120 DAYS FOR THEM TO GET HOUSING.

THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE.

SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE CURRENT SYSTEM HOUSES PEOPLE FROM THE STREET IN AN EIGHT WEEK CYCLE, AND IF WE'RE MOVING PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THAT TIMELINE INTO A SPECIFIC SITE, THEN IT'S GOING TO TAKE ABOUT FIVE MONTHS FOR THE SYSTEM TO WORK THOSE PEOPLE IN, AND WE'RE BASING THAT OFF OF WHEN WE HAD AN ENCAMPMENT LAST SUMMER. CAN YOU PAUSE AND SAY THAT AGAIN? SO FIRST OF ALL, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT'S NOT OKAY FOR PEOPLE TO STAY ON THE STREETS FOR EIGHT WEEKS.

LIKE WHEN AN ENCAMPMENT IS IDENTIFIED, IT NEEDS TO BE CLEARED.

I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT'S WHAT THE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT, AND OKAY, SO WHAT ARE YOU SAYING IS FIVE MONTHS.

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SO IF WE'RE ADDING SOMETHING TO THE CYCLE, WE'RE ADDING A PLACE TO FOR PEOPLE TO HANG OUT WHILE THE HOUSING IS GETTING TO THEM.

THE EXAMPLE THAT WE HAVE IS LAST YEAR.

LAST SUMMER WE HAD AN ENCAMPMENT THAT WE HAD TO MOVE INTO HOTEL SO THAT WE COULD DO THE SUSTAINABLE HOUSING FROM THERE AND IT TOOK INSTEAD OF EIGHT WEEKS, ADDING THAT TOOK FIVE MONTHS AND A VERY, VERY COST PROHIBITIVE.

WHY? BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE IN HOTELS.

THEY DIDN'T WANT TO MOVE AS QUICKLY, AND IT JUST BECAME EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.

WE HAD A LOT OF STAYERS WHO IN A DIFFERENT SETTING WOULD NOT HAVE LINGERED AS LONG.

OKAY, WELL, I'M STILL NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY IT TAKES AN EXTRA THREE MONTHS IF YOU'RE JUST MOVING THEM TO A DIFFERENT SITE.

OH, NO. I'M SORRY.

SO THEY'RE THERE, AND THEN FROM THE SITE TO HOUSING TO PERMANENT HOUSING COULD TAKE FIVE MONTHS.

THEY CAN COME TO THE SITE AT ANY TIME THEY WANT.

I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIKE A STRATEGY WITH THE DEVELOPER FOR HOW QUICKLY PEOPLE CAN COME ON SITE, BUT I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT WOULD TAKE PEOPLE FIVE MONTHS TO GET INTO THE SITE. I'M SORRY IF THAT WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING.

OKAY, SO VERY SPECIFICALLY ON WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE, THAT ISN'T WHAT I WAS SAYING, ACTUALLY.

OKAY. I'M SAYING I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD STAY EIGHT WEEKS ON THE STREET AND THEN GET TO HOUSING.

I THINK THEY IMMEDIATELY NEED TO MOVE TO A SHELTER, OR THEY IMMEDIATELY NEED TO MOVE TO THE SANCTIONED ENCAMPMENT AND THEN GET HOUSING.

SO THAT IS A POLICY DECISION.

I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU ADD THAT STEP, THEN YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT IT ADDS TIME AND COST.

SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT WOULD ADD TIME.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IF THEY ARE LITERALLY ON THE SIDEWALK OR THEY ARE LITERALLY AT A SANCTIONED ENCAMPMENT BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE CHOICE, YOU CAN'T FORCE PEOPLE TO GO ANYWHERE. SO WE ARE STILL WORKING AS A SYSTEM AROUND THE CLOCK WITH EVERYONE WHO IS HOMELESS.

IT'S NOT GOING TO JUST DIVERT ALL RESOURCES WE HAVE SUDDENLY TO ONE CAMPSITE, BECAUSE THAT'S NO LONGER NO BARRIER.

WE'RE NO LONGER MEETING PEOPLE WHERE THEY'RE AT.

IF THEY REFUSE TO GO TO THAT SITE, THEY DON'T.

THEY SHOULDN'T GET DENIED HOUSING JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT AT THAT SITE.

SO IT ADDS A SITE TO THE PROCESS, WHICH ADDS TIME BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING TO WE'RE ADDING TO A PIPELINE THAT ALREADY EXISTS.

SO I'D LIKE TO QUICKLY JUST GIVE YOU THE FEEDBACK YOU SPECIFICALLY WERE ASKING FOR, WHICH IS THE CRITERIA OF ONLY LOOKING IN DISTRICTS FIVE AND NINE BECAUSE THEY DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE ANY HOMELESS ACTIVITIES.

I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT DISTRICT EIGHT NO LONGER HAS A HOMELESS FACILITY, AND DISTRICT FOUR DOESN'T HAVE A HOMELESS FACILITY, BUT I WOULD ACTUALLY ASK YOU TO LOOK AT ALL CITY PROPERTY THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS WHAT COUNCIL DISTRICT IT IS.

I THINK THERE'S A PRIORITIZATION THAT WE HAD STATED AND ADOPTED.

AS YOU KNOW, EVERY DISTRICT WOULD HAVE SOMETHING, BUT LET'S SEE ALL THE LOCATIONS THAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE.

SECOND, PLEASE LOOK AT OTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITIES.

SO THAT MEANS SCHOOL DISTRICT.

THAT MEANS COUNTY. THAT MEANS TXDOT, EVERY OTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITY WHERE WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY PAY FOR IT.

ALSO, THERE'S A STATEMENT MADE ON SLIDE 11 THAT SAYS ABOUT NEEDING TO BE IN A MANUFACTURED HOUSING DISTRICT BECAUSE OF THE CAMPING, BUT ACTUALLY, IF THE GOVERNOR CERTIFIES AN AREA AS A SANCTIONED ENCAMPMENT, DOESN'T THAT OVERRIDE THAT? SO THAT PARTICULAR BULLET WAS SAYING THAT WE WOULD PREFER TO DO INDUSTRIALIZED HOUSING BECAUSE WE COULD HELP PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO FALL INTO ONE OF THOSE MANUFACTURED HOME DISTRICTS, WHICH WE HAVE VERY SMALL ONES OF, AND THEN IN TERMS OF HOW THE ZONING IS AFFECTED, I CANNOT ANSWER THAT.

I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A LEGAL QUESTION.

OKAY. WELL, I THINK THAT WE, THE CITY ATTORNEY, CAN WORK THAT OUT, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THE STATUTE SAYS, THAT IF THE A GOVERNMENT GOVERNOR IDENTIFIES IT AS--WE'VE GOT FOLKS COMING--AS A SANCTIONED ENCAMPMENT, THEN IT IS OKAY.

THE OTHER THING I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IS THAT I SORT OF OBJECT TO CALLING IT BRIDGE HOUSING.

WE USE SO MANY ACRONYMS AND NAMES THAT ARE ALREADY CONFUSING FOR THE CITY, BUT WHEN WE HAVE A FACILITY CALLED THE BRIDGE AND BRIDGE STEPS OPERATES THEM TO THEN CALL THIS BRIDGE.

HOUSING IS JUST TO CONFUSE THE ISSUE, AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DON'T LOVE THE NAME SANCTIONED ENCAMPMENT.

IF YOU WANT TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER NAME, THAT'S FINE, BUT THIS THIS IS JUST NOT A GOOD WAY TO IDENTIFY THIS PROPERTY AND IS WAY, WAY, WAY CONFUSING FOR BOTH THE PUBLIC AND CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE.

SO THANK YOU, CHAIR WEST.

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YOU KNOW, WHAT I THINK IS MOST TELLING IS ON THE SLIDE THAT'S UP RIGHT NOW FOR ME, WHICH IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS BRIDGE HOUSING OR SANCTIONS ENCAMPMENT INITIATIVE. IT ACTUALLY DOES ADD ADDITIONAL TIME.

THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL COST OF BETWEEN 33,000 AND 100,000 PER INDIVIDUAL ON TOP OF THE OTHER COSTS WE ALREADY HAVE.

BOTH OF THOSE TWO FACTORS FROM A FISCAL STANDPOINT, GIVE ME A LOT OF CONCERN.

YOU KNOW, SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS YOU KNOW, REASONABLE MINDS CAN DISAGREE ON THIS, AND I MAY DISAGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES ON THIS, BUT I CHOOSE TO SUPPORT WHAT IS WORKING HOUSING FORWARD'S RAPID REHOUSING AND CAMP DECOMMISSIONING INITIATIVES ARE WORKING.

I DON'T SUPPORT USING ANY CITY BOND FUNDS, ANY GENERAL FUNDS OR ANY OF OUR SCARCE FEDERAL RESOURCES ON WHAT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE A VALID PATHWAY FORWARD, ALTHOUGH WELL INTENDED BY FOLKS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN IT.

WE HAVE A VERY AGGRESSIVE AND I THINK, ATTAINABLE GOAL THAT'S BEEN SET BY HOUSING FORWARD TO REDUCE THE 2021 UNSHELTERED POPULATION BY 50% BY 2026.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE ALL HANDS ON DECK TRYING TO MEET THAT GOAL, AND THEN FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST CONCERN FOR I THINK OUR CONSTITUENTS, WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR CURRENT SYSTEM TO GET THOSE TO GET THOSE FOLKS HANDLED AND HELPED, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY RESOURCES GO AWAY FROM WHAT IS WORKING WITH HOUSING FORWARD AND WHAT THEIR AGGRESSIVE, ATTAINABLE GOAL APPEARS TO BE.

THANK YOU.

COUNCILMEMBER WILLIS.

SURE. THANK YOU. SO I AGREE ON THE BRIDGE BEING A CONFUSING WORD BECAUSE WE HAVE THE BRIDGE, AND SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS GETTING PEOPLE OFF OF THE STREET AND INTO HOUSING READINESS AND THEN ONTO A PATH TO BEING HOUSED AND HOPEFULLY AS INDEPENDENT AS THEY CAN POSSIBLY BE. SO DEFINITELY WOULD LOVE A NEW WORD ON THAT ONE.

ON LOOKING AT SOME OF THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE EXPLORED AND GOING BACK TO PROGRAM CRITERIA ON PAGE TEN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS OUR DIRECTION, I DON'T I KNOW I WOULD HAVE VOICED A DIFFERENT OPINION ON THE 24 CONSECUTIVE MONTH TIME PERIOD. I THINK THAT'S TOO SHORT, GIVEN WHAT WE HAVE TO SURMOUNT, AND THE INVESTMENT THAT'S BEING MADE.

I MEAN, I THINK REALISTICALLY WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT THIS OVER A LONGER PERIOD.

THAT COULD ALSO HELP US IF WE'RE SEEKING PRIVATE DONATIONS, TO SAY THIS IS OUR TIME FRAME VERSUS THIS VERY SHORT TIME FRAME, AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE GOALS OF HOUSING FORWARD AND, YOU KNOW, PERMANENT HOUSING IS OPTIMAL, THE REALITY IS UNDERPASSES, PARKLAND, CULVERTS, ET CETERA ARE WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIVING AND IT'S NOT OKAY. WE NEED THIS INTERIM STEP, AND SO I THINK ON PAGE TEN WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHRONICALLY UNSHELTERED BEING THE TARGET FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IS THAT BECAUSE ANYONE WHO HAS MAYBE LOST THEIR JOB AND IS READY TO BE STOOD BACK UP OR SAY, FAMILIES, THEY WOULD STAY ON THE DIRECT TO HOUSING PATH? SO THE FEEDBACK FROM THE DISCUSSION AND THE 24 MONTHS WAS FROM THIS BODY.

OF COURSE, WE COULD UP THAT OR HAVE THAT AS THE BASELINE AND THEN ASK FOR AN INCREASE IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE.

WAS THAT WHILE WE KNOW THAT SPACE IS GOING TO BE AT A PREMIUM WHEN WE START, RIGHT, IF YOU ONLY DO 50 UNITS AND THEN YOU WANT TO EXPAND, EVEN IF YOU INCLUDE CAMPING AND CAR CAMPING, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE 50 OF EACH.

SO 150, YOU'RE ALREADY AT A BIG SITE, AND THAT'S STILL NOT A LOT OF SPACE.

SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO PRIORITIZE AND TRIAGE, AND THEN FROM THERE YOU COULD EXPAND THEN YOU COULD PLAY WITH OTHER GROUPS, BUT FOR THOSE WHO YEAH FOR THE CHRONICALLY HOMELESS, THAT IS THE HARDEST TO REACH, THAT NEEDS THE MOST INTENSIVE AND EXPENSIVE INTERACTION.

A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY RECENTLY HOMELESS, WE FIND DIVERSION TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL.

SO I THINK PART OF WHAT YOU MENTIONED AND THAT WE'VE GOT TO RETHINK IS ABOUT CHOICE, BECAUSE SOME OF THIS ACTIVITY IS ILLEGAL.

I KNOW IF THERE'S NOT A PLACE TO TAKE SOMEONE, I MEAN, HOW DO YOU HAVE THEM MOVE? BUT THAT'S THE IDEA OF CREATING SOMETHING SO THAT WE DO HAVE A PLACE TO TAKE THEM WHERE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MEALS, HEALTH CARE, SOME SEMBLANCE OF BETTER CARE AND DIGNITY VERSUS WHAT WE SEE ON THE STREETS, AND SO HOW WE GO ABOUT THAT, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE GOT TO EXPLORE, BECAUSE I JUST THINK WE'RE AT AN INFLECTION POINT WHERE WE CAN'T HAVE THAT BE THE ANSWER ANYMORE.

I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED.

ON PAGE 11, WHERE IT'S TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE SITE PARAMETERS AND CONSIDERATIONS.

[01:40:05]

I MEAN, THERE WERE STILL A LOT OF ISSUES THAT HAPPENED.

ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THIS? I KNOW THERE ARE SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE WHO MAY BE IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT WAS THAT JUST AS THE FIRST STEP TO GET SOME PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE RESISTANT TO JUST SAY, OKAY, YOU CAN TAKE THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU'RE LIVING IN AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO MOVE YOU TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION.

EVERYTHING HERE WAS REFLECTED BACK FROM THIS BODY.

SO THIS IS ALL FEEDBACK FROM HHS GUIDANCE.

OKAY. SO EVEN THE CAR LIVING IN YOUR CAR.

I MEAN I CAN SEE HOW THIS GIVEN THE UMBRELLA ISSUE OF TRUST AND TRAUMA, HOW THIS MAY BE THE FIRST STEP, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW OTHERS HAVE SET THINGS UP THIS WAY OR STARTED AT THIS POINT, AND IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT, A CRIME STANDPOINT, A HEALTH STANDPOINT.

I MEAN, AT SOME POINT, THOUGH, WE ALSO NEED THE EXPERTISE ON THIS.

OKAY. ON PAGE 12, I UNDERSTAND THE BUFFER WITH A SCHOOL AND WITH THESE OTHER ENTITIES, BUT WE STILL I DON'T LIKE REINFORCING A STIGMA WHEN THESE ARE RESIDENTS WHO ALSO CAN ACCESS A REC CENTER OR A LIBRARY, AND IN FACT, THAT HAS SOME FEATURES TO IT, WHETHER IT'S A GYM OR PROGRAMING OR QUIET SPACE OR WHATEVER.

SO IF THAT'S A PARAMETER THAT IS HOLDING BACK LOCATIONS, I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT.

IN FACT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU HAD SAID ABOUT GIVEN THE PARAMETERS THAT YOU HAD.

IT KIND OF CAME BACK WITH NOTHING WITH REGARD TO CITY PROPERTY, AND SO I WOULD ASK, WHAT PARAMETERS DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT RELAXING SO THAT WE HAVE MORE OPTIONS? AND THEN ALONG THAT SAME LINE, WHY DOES IT HAVE TO ALL BE ON THE CITY? I MEAN, THE COUNTY HAS LAND.

THEY'VE GOT SOME UNINCORPORATED LAND.

THE FLIP SIDE IS WHAT'S TRANSIT LIKE? WHAT'S THAT LAND LIKE? HAS IT, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE SINKING MONEY INTO THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS JUST NOT A GOOD IDEA.

I MEAN, THIS IS GOING TO BE AN EXPENSIVE ENDEAVOR ANYWAY, BUT THAT'S ONE THING I WANT TO GO BACK TO IS ON PAGE 13 WHERE IT SAYS SUSTAINABLE OPERATING FUNDS.

SO WE'VE COME OUT OF OUR BUDGETING WITH NO MONEY ALLOCATED TO SEED THIS.

SO WHAT KIND OF DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN HELD WITH POTENTIAL PARTNERS AROUND THIS? DO WE HAVE SOME INTERESTING PARTIES WHO HAVE RAISED THEIR HAND? SO WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS YET.

WE WANTED TO COME BACK TO THIS BODY AND SAY, HEY, HERE'S WHAT WE FOUND.

IF YOU WANT US TO EXPAND SEARCH PARAMETERS, WE CAN.

WE ARE AWARE SOME OF THE SITES THAT HAVE BEEN VISITED AROUND THE US AND IN TEXAS DO HAVE THOSE PARTNERSHIPS, SO WE'RE AWARE OF THEM, AND IT WOULD BE PRETTY EASY TO ENGAGE IN THOSE. OKAY.

I ALSO WANT TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND JUST SAY THAT OF THE DISTRICTS WHO DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF REPRESENTATION YET IN THIS SPACE, DEFINITELY THINK THEY SHOULD BE A PRIORITY, BUT ALSO DON'T LIKE NECESSARILY CAPPING IT.

IN FACT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHAT THE EARLIER DISCUSSIONS WERE AROUND THAT, BUT I THINK IF THERE'S AN IDENTIFIABLE PIECE OF LAND TO HOLD US TO, THAT PARAMETER OF ONE PER DISTRICT IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HELP US SOLVE THE ISSUE, AND THAT WE NEED TO BE OPEN TO CONSIDERING THAT BUT PRIORITIZING THE FOUR THAT HAVE BEEN REFERENCED, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE US.

I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD OWN THIS.

MAYBE IT'S A PRIVATE PARTNER, BUT TWO REQUESTS FOR INTEREST.

ONE IN THIS ZONE OF WHO COULD A PRIVATE PARTNER BE THAT WOULD COME TO THE TABLE WITH FUNDING AND THE ABILITY TO OPERATE SOMETHING LIKE THIS? ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY THAT I STILL THINK THE CITY IS GOING TO ULTIMATELY NEED TO FUND SECURITY BECAUSE ALL OF THESE OPTIONS ARE HIGH SECURITY NEED.

I MEAN, IT'S 24 HOURS, AND WITH THE POPULATION, I MEAN, WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE JUST SOME STRUGGLES.

WE SEE THEM ALREADY ON THE STREETS UNSUPERVISED.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT WOULD BE, BUT THEN ALSO A REQUEST FOR INTEREST WITH OUR I'LL CALL IT OUR PHILANTHROPIC COMMUNITY, BECAUSE I KNOW WE SAW AT ARROYO SECO THEY HAD A 3000 SPONSORSHIP PER HOUSE.

WELL, THAT SPONSORSHIP IS NOT FOR THE PHYSICAL HOUSE.

WE COULD USE BOND MONEY FOR THAT, BUT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT, THAT SPONSORSHIP IS WHAT COULD GET US TO SOME OPERATING MONEY, AND IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 100 UNITS AND WE'RE IN DALLAS, TEXAS, THAT JUST RAISED $68 MILLION IN A DAY.

YOU KNOW, WE COULD LOOK AT 10,000 OR 15,000, BUT SOMEONE NEEDS TO MANAGE THAT.

THAT'S NOT WHAT THE CITY DOES, BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE FAITH BASED GROUPS AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND CORPORATE AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT DALLAS HAS TO OFFER THAT COULD HELP

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ALL RIGHT. WELL, MAYBE THIS IS TO PRESSURE TEST AND KICK TIRES ON SOME OF THE PARAMETERS THAT WERE GIVEN IN MAY TO JUST SEE THAT WITH THOSE PARAMETERS, THERE AREN'T ANY OPTIONS PRESENTING THEMSELVES AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO OR WHAT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED TO RELAX SOME OF THOSE SO THAT WE CAN GET FARTHER ALONG IN IDENTIFYING WHERE THIS WILL BE, WHO WE WOULD BE WORKING WITH, HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST, SO WE CAN GET PEOPLE OFF OF THE STREETS AND INTO SOME SORT OF SOLUTION TO GET THEM TO HOUSING READINESS AND AS INDEPENDENT OF A LIFE THAT THEY COULD LIVE.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

CHRISTINE, THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.

EARLIER WE SPOKE ABOUT TIMELINES, AND I'M GOING TO CONTINUE ON THAT, AND JUST GOT TO SAY I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN THE TIMEFRAME OF THIS.

WE FIRST TASKED STAFF WITH THIS ON JANUARY 18TH.

WE WERE BRIEFED ON MAY 24TH WITH PRETTY MUCH THE EXACT SAME PRESENTATION, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SELECTED OR IDENTIFIED POTENTIAL AREAS OF WHERE THIS TYPE OF HOUSING COULD GO.

IT'S RAINING OUT THERE TODAY.

WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE WAITING FOR HOUSING WHO ARE SEEKING REFUGE UNDER PRIVATE BUSINESS CANOPIES IN PUBLIC AREAS.

JUST LAST MONTH WE HAD A HOMELESS INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS WAITING FOR HOUSING THAT CAME TO TESTIFY IN FRONT OF CITY HALL THAT HIS TENT WAS SET ON FIRE RIGHT OUTSIDE THE LIBRARY. THOSE CONDITIONS ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE.

WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE WAITING ON HOUSING TO HAVE A SAFE, SECURE, CLIMATE CONTROLLED HOME WHERE THE LOCK AND KEY WHEN IT'S 110 DEGREES OUTSIDE, WHERE THEY'RE ABLE TO GO IN AND SEEK REFUGE FROM THE HEAT WHEN IT'S RAINING, WHEN IT'S FREEZING, WHETHER THEY'RE VULNERABLE TO ILLEGAL ACTIVITY, AND SO I'M GOING TO START WITH PAGE NINE. WE TALK ABOUT THE ANNUAL OPERATING COST PER PERSON, AND SO I HAVE A LITTLE TROUBLE FOLLOWING THIS.

ARE WE SAYING THAT ONE INDIVIDUAL IS GOING TO STAY HERE FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR.

SO WE'RE ONLY SERVING 50 INDIVIDUALS OR DO WE EXPECT TO HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE THERE FOR TWO WEEKS, TWO MONTHS, AN ENTIRE YEAR, AND SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WE TRULY POTENTIALLY SERVING? IS IT JUST IS IT 50 OR COULD IT BE BROADENED? ARE YOU REFERENCING SLIDE FOUR? SO I'M LOOKING AT MY NO I'M LOOKING AT MY OLD DECK.

COST ANALYSIS FLOW? THE CASE STUDIES VISITED ACROSS THE US BRIDGE HOUSING COST ANALYSIS.

SO THIS IS THE TODAY'S DECK.

THAT'S THE OLD ONE, BUT I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.

WE'RE LOOKING AT IT WOULD TAKE IT WOULD TAKE FIVE PLUS MONTHS TO CYCLE INDIVIDUALS THROUGH, AND AS WE LOOKED AT WITH ALL THE OTHER DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING, THE MORE YOU CAN CYCLE PEOPLE THROUGH AND GET FASTER, THE LOWER THE COST, THE HIGHER THE COST OVERALL, THE LOWER THE COST PER PERSON.

SO IF YOU HAD A SITE THAT WAS ONLY 50 PEOPLE, YOU'D BE LOOKING AT CONSERVATIVELY CYCLING 100 THROUGH IN A YEAR.

NOW, GRANTED, THIS IS ALL FROM A DATA DRIVEN, HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE OBSERVED PERSPECTIVE.

WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MULTIPLE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING ON THE GROUND, WE WOULD HAVE TO SEE HOW IT INTERACTED HERE WITH A PARTNER THAT WE DO NOT YET HAVE, AND I THINK PERHAPS A LOT OF THAT COULD BE STREAMLINED, BUT RIGHT NOW THOSE ARE UNKNOWNS.

I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH THE BI-DISTRICT AS THE DISTRICT WITH THE MOST HOMELESS SERVICES, I WILL STILL BE OPEN TO ADDITIONAL SERVICES IN DISTRICT TWO AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT CONCENTRATED IN THE CBD.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NORTHWEST FAR EAST.

I AM DEFINITELY OPEN TO THAT, AND I HOPE MY COLLEAGUES ARE AS WELL, BECAUSE THIS IS TRULY SOMETHING THAT'S CITYWIDE, AND SO I JUST WANT TO PUT IT OUT THERE THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE LIMITING OURSELVES TO IDENTIFYING AREAS BY DISTRICT.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE CHARGE, I DO THINK WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT OUR PARTNERS AT DISD, AT THE COUNTY, AT THE STATE TO LOOK AT AREAS, BUS SERVICES.

I THINK THAT SHOULD BE WIPED OFF.

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IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE HAVE PET SERVICES, AS MENTIONED IN HERE, FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE THEIR COMPANIONS WITH THEM.

SECURITY IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE TO THIS.

SO WE WILL HAVE TO WORK WITH OUR MARSHALS AND DPD AND PRIVATE SECURITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT WAYS TO KEEP THOSE MOST VULNERABLE SAFE WHILE THEY'RE PARTICIPATING IN THIS INTERIM HOUSING, AND SO, YES, I WOULD SAY LET'S EXPAND OUR CRITERIA WHEN IT COMES TO NOT JUST CITY OWNED PROPERTY.

I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT DISTRICTS THAT HAVE CURRENT LOCATIONS AS WELL.

I THINK DART THAT CAN COME IN AT A LATER DATE.

I DO AGREE AS WELL.

NOW THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION THAT TWO YEARS PERHAPS IS NOT LONG ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO REALLY GET A GOOD CASE STUDY TO SEE IF THIS IS GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL LONG TERM.

WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO TO OUR ROUND TWO.

CHAIR GRACEY.

THANK YOU, AND AGAIN I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT THESE SITES, I GUESS PRACTICALLY HELP ME UNDERSTAND, AND AGAIN, I'M GETTING TEXT THIS MORNING WITH ALL THE RAIN WITH MS. ZENA. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE FAVORITE ONE BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO THERE'S THIS LADY GOING DOWN CAMP WISDOM.

SHE HAS ABOUT 3 OR 4 BASKETS, SHOPPING CARTS.

SHE'S BEEN MIGRATING FOR A WHILE DOWN CAMP.

WISDOM FOR PEOPLE LIKE THAT.

HOW WOULD THEY BE THE I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHO WOULD BE THE ELIGIBLE PERSON TO MOVE INTO THESE SPACES. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALL HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH MS. ZENA. SHE'S JUST FLAT OUT REFUSING SHE WOULDN'T BE A CANDIDATE.

HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT.

I GUESS THAT'S THE PIECE I'M STRUGGLING WITH.

THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.

I WOULDN'T PUT TOO FINE A POINT ON IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO HEM IN AN OPERATOR, BUT THE FEEDBACK THAT'S BEEN GIVEN BY THIS COMMITTEE IS THE DEEP CONCERN IS FOR THOSE WHO ARE VISIBLY HOMELESS AND OFTEN VISIBLE.

HOMELESSNESS IS THE SAME AS CHRONIC HOMELESSNESS.

IT IS THE SMALLEST PORTION OF THE POPULATION, BUT IT IS THE HIGHEST NEED AND THE MOST EXPENSIVE INTERACTION, AND SO GIVEN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A MASSIVE SITE OR YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A MASSIVE SITE THAT EVERY SINGLE PERSON COULD GO TO, YOU WOULD NEED TO TRIAGE WHO CAN ATTEND OR WHO CAN COME IN, AND SO THE FEEDBACK WAS, WELL, LET'S FOCUS ON THAT HARDEST TO HOUSE THAT WE SEE.

NOW OBVIOUSLY AGAIN YOU CAN'T FORCE ANYBODY.

I KNOW THERE'S A DISCUSSION ON THE ON THE BODY ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT FOR SOMEONE WHO, YOU KNOW IS RESISTANT TO IT FOR THEIR OWN REASONS, AS YOU'RE AWARE OF WITH THAT PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL, YOU COULD SUGGEST THAT THEY GO, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY HAVE TO STAY.

SO I GUESS THAT'S MY POINT TO SOME OF THIS.

LIKE, AND AGAIN, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THIS, AND I THINK I FIND IT INTERESTING AND QUITE HONESTLY WOULD BE OPEN TO, TO POTENTIALLY AND HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON WHERE THEY COULD GO, WHERE THEY MAKE SENSE IN MY DISTRICT, BUT I GUESS I'M STILL STRUGGLING WITH OPENING IT UP, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, NOBODY'S SHOWING UP BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE CONTENT. I GUESS THE PSYCH, THE PSYCHOLOGY BEHIND GETTING THEM INTO THE SPACE AND WILL IT REALLY CHANGE AND IF IT DOES, AT WHAT RATE CAN WE ANTICIPATE THE DECLINE, I GUESS? I WOULD JUST OFFER THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT CONTENT, AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ASK PEOPLE, DO THEY WANT EMERGENCY SHELTER? THEY MIGHT SAY, NO, 95% OF PEOPLE WHEN YOU SAY, DO YOU WANT HOUSING, THEY SAY, YES, AND SO IT'S BUILDING THAT TRUST TO GET PEOPLE INTO HOUSING.

WE CAN SEE BY CASE STUDIES IN PLACES THAT DO HAVE THESE TYPE OF THESE STRUCTURES.

YOU KNOW, THE PHENOMENON IS THAT WHETHER YOU HAVE ENOUGH SHELTER SPACE OR NOT, IF YOU BUILD IT, IT WILL FILL UP AND IT WILL STAY FULL, AND SO I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT THAT.

I THINK IT'S JUST UNDERSTANDING THAT IF YOU SET SOMETHING LIKE THIS UP, IT'S NOT TEMPORARY AND IT'S GOING TO BE THERE LONG TERM AND ACCEPTING THAT HAS TO BE PART OF THE PATH FORWARD, AND I FORGOT TO.

WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'LL JUST WAIT MY TURN AND COME BACK.

CHAIRMAN WILSON THANK YOU.

I'M GLAD SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP DART.

WE ALSO HAVE A HOMELESS VAN PROGRAM THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO SERVICE THIS LOCATION.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED WOULD BE THE COST OF THIS PROGRAM, AND I JUST HAVE TO REALLY PUSH BACK ON THAT AND SAY IT'S DOCUMENTED ACROSS THIS COUNTRY WHAT IT COSTS FOR

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I KNOW I'VE HAD BUSINESSES LEAVE DISTRICT 12 AND MOVE TO PLANO BECAUSE OF HOMELESSNESS, ESPECIALLY AT FRANKFORT AND THE TOLLWAY, TRINITY MILLS AND THE TOLLWAY.

I THINK THIS IS HAPPENING ALL OVER WHEN ESPERANZA WAS FOUNDED IN AUSTIN.

IT WAS A MESS AND IT WAS TENT CAMPING, BUT IT ALSO HAD NO OVERSIGHT AND NO STRUCTURE.

IT WAS ESSENTIALLY A DUMPING GROUND FOR PEOPLE, WHICH IS TERRIBLE, AND IT, YOU KNOW, DEVOLVED FROM THERE.

THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT WHAT'S EXPECTED, AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR A CAREFULLY MANAGED SPACE, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WANT TO GO INTO A CLIMATE CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT AND WANT TO CONTINUE TENT CAMPING.

SO I DON'T LOVE THE IDEA OF IT, IF WE'RE HONEST ABOUT IT, BUT I'D MUCH RATHER THEM DO THAT IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT WHERE THERE'S ACCESS TO HYGIENE SERVICES AND THERE'S ACCESS TO ALL THE WRAPAROUND SERVICES THEY COULD POSSIBLY NEED OR WANT, AS OPPOSED TO BEING UNDER SOMEBODY'S BRIDGE OR IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD OR ALONG THE CREEK.

THE NEXT THING I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THIS, AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT OF HOMELESSNESS OVERALL.

THERE'S A COMPLETE IMPACT ON THE ENTIRE CITY, INCLUDING CRIME, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE HEARING THAT, BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT THERE ARE CRIMES OF OPPORTUNITY.

THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, PETTY THEFTS.

THERE'S LOTS OF HARASSMENT, AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE ALL OF THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CRIMINAL TRESPASS AFFIDAVITS THAT ARE COMING, LOWER PROPERTY VALUES.

I HAVE SOMEBODY ON TWITTER TODAY SAYING THEIR PROPERTY VALUE WENT DOWN 10%.

THEY THINK IT'S BECAUSE OF THE HOMELESS ISSUE NEAR THEM, THE PANHANDLING AND THE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, THE LACK OF SERVICES THAT ARE ON HAND FOR MANY WEEKS WHEN WE COULD BE PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES RIGHT AWAY TO PEOPLE.

THIS IS NOT A NEGATIVE.

IT'S A POSITIVE. IT'S IMMEDIATELY GETTING SOMEBODY OUT OF A VERY TERRIBLE, VULNERABLE SITUATION ON THE STREET AND PROVIDING THEM ACCESS TO SERVICES CAN'T COMPEL THEM TO TAKE IT, BUT THERE IS A LAW.

HOUSE BILL 1925 SAYS YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CAMP ON PUBLIC LAND, AND WE HAVE TO ENFORCE THE LAW, AND WE SEE OVER AND OVER AGAIN RESIDENTS ASKING US, PLEASE ACTUALLY ENFORCE THE LAW.

WE EVEN HAVE A CHARTER PROPOSITION THAT SPECIFICALLY TO THAT POINT, THEY WANT US TO ENFORCE THE LAW, AND THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME PUSHBACK ON NOT WANTING TO HAVE ENFORCEMENT, AND I THINK THAT'S WRONG.

NOT ALL PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT TO BE HOUSED, AND EVEN IF YOU SAY THE MAJORITY OVER TIME WILL, I'M TELLING YOU, THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS DO NOT WANT TO GIVE THEM THE EIGHT, 12, 24 WEEKS TO DECIDE THAT MAYBE IT'S OKAY TO GO TO HOUSING, NOT ON THE STREETS.

THAT'S NOT OKAY, AND AS FOR TIMEFRAME, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER WILLIS.

YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS MAY NOT BE ENOUGH TIME, AND I'D BE OPEN TO CONSIDERING SOMETHING MORE ALONG THE LINES OF FIVE YEARS.

THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THAT ALL OF THESE COSTS AND VISION, ONLY THE CITY PAYING FOR IT, AND I FEEL QUITE CERTAIN, BECAUSE I'VE TALKED WITH PEOPLE, THAT THERE ARE PRIVATE, PHILANTHROPIC DOLLARS THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN A VENTURE LIKE THIS, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT, JUST AS WE DISCUSSED ON HOUSING, THAT PERHAPS IT'S NOT ALL CITY.

IN THIS CASE, HOMELESSNESS IS IMPORTANT TO MANY PEOPLE, INCLUDING PEOPLE OF SIGNIFICANT WEALTH, WHO WOULD PLEDGE TO BE ABLE TO HELP IN THIS MANNER. SO WITH THAT, I THINK I'VE ADDRESSED ALL THE ADDITIONAL ITEMS. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS.

JUST ONE OTHER POINT.

I THINK WE REFERENCED AS ONE OF THE PLACES THAT WAS VISITED WERE IN ATLANTA, THE MELODY, THE CONTAINER OPTIONS AND THOSE I UNDERSTAND CAN HELP US BY HAVING FEDERAL SUBSIDIES.

I GUESS THEY FIT THE CRITERIA WHERE WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS.

I MEAN, WE MAY HAVE TO COME IN.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT ALL THEY WOULD COVER, BUT THAT IS ONE OPTION.

WHEN WE LOOK AT PALLET HOMES OR TINY HOMES, ETC., THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP US GET OVER THE HURDLE OF SOME OF THE FUNDING BECAUSE THERE COULD BE FEDERAL SUBSIDIES.

IS THAT TRUE? IS WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT? YES AND NO. SO THOSE ARE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.

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PEOPLE COME AND THEY STAY AND THEY'RE ABLE TO LAYER ON FEDERAL SUBSIDIES FOR THAT.

FOR THIS TYPE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IN TERMS OF BRIDGE OR TEMPORARY, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, THAT'S NOT FEDERALLY SUPPORTED.

SO THERE ISN'T ANY TYPE OF FEDERAL FUNDING FOR IT, BUT IF WE'RE BUILDING INDUSTRIALIZED AND AT SOME POINT, LET'S SAY IT GETS DONE BEING A TRANSITIONAL SITE, AND THEN YOU WANT TO USE IT FOR LONG TERM.

THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER LIFE FOR THE BUILDINGS AND YOU COULD THEN LAYER IN FEDERAL SUBSIDIES.

OKAY. SO THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE EXPLORE JUST KIND OF DOWN THE ROAD ON THE SIDE THERE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

SO I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE QUESTION OF HOW THIS ADDS FIVE MONTHS TO HOUSING SOMEONE.

SO SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE RIGHT NOW.

WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME TO HOUSE AN INDIVIDUAL? IF WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM IN AN ENCAMPMENT, IT'S EIGHT WEEKS.

IF WE HAVE ID'D THEM AND REFERRED THEM TO A PROGRAM, IT'S 109 DAYS.

REPEAT THAT.

SO IF WE'RE MEETING THEM IN AN ENCAMPMENT, IT'S GENERALLY EIGHT WEEKS OR SO, AND THEN FOR EVERYONE ELSE WHO'S JUST ON THE PATH FROM SHELTERS OR WHEREVER THEY ARE FROM PROGRAMING THE AVERAGE TIME FROM BEING REFERRED TO A PROGRAM TO HOUSING IS 109 DAYS.

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO? WELL, ONE, YOU'RE ALREADY IN SHELTER AND YOU'RE WORKING WITH SOMEONE OR YOU'RE IN A PROGRAM.

IF WE'RE COMING TO MEET YOU WHERE YOU ARE IN AN ENCAMPMENT, YOU'VE NEVER TOUCHED A PROGRAM.

YOU'VE NEVER BEEN ENROLLED IN ANYTHING YOU HAVEN'T.

CHANCES ARE YOU HAVE NOT MET ANY OF THE OUTREACH.

YOU MAY NOT EVEN BE IN THE HUMAN MANAGEMENT INFORMATION SYSTEM.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO, BUT WE'RE CONCENTRATING RESOURCES TO GET IT ALL DONE AT AN EXPEDITED RATE BECAUSE YOU ARE OUTSIDE.

SO WE'RE HOUSING THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE OUTSIDE MORE QUICKLY, CORRECT.

MORE QUICKLY PER PERSON.

YES, BUT WE'RE DOING IT, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE FOCUSING ON 50 PEOPLE HERE OR 60 PEOPLE THERE.

SO I THINK WHEN WE FIRST DID ALL OF THIS, THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT PEOPLE WOULD JUST LEAVE SHELTERS TO GO BE HOUSED ON THE STREET, AND WE SAID, LOOK, IF YOU'RE ALREADY WORKING WITH SHELTER, IF YOU'RE ALREADY IN A SHELTER, YOU'RE WORKING WITH A CASE MANAGER.

THAT IS THE FASTEST AND SUREST PATH TO HOUSING BEING ON THE STREET.

WE'RE GETTING TO THOSE SPACES, BUT IT TAKES TIME AT EVERY SINGLE SITE AND IT TAKES TIME AND ENERGY, AND SO THERE THERE ARE MULTIPLE PATHWAYS INTO HOUSING THAT RUN AT DIFFERENT SPEEDS, AND SO I WOULD SAY YES.

WHILE IT'S FASTER FOR THOSE WHO ARE UNSHELTERED IN A SPECIFIC ENCAMPMENT, IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY THERE.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYONE WHO'S UNSHELTERED ACROSS THE CITY IS ALL OF A SUDDEN GOING TO BE HOUSED IN EIGHT WEEKS.

THAT'S NOT A REALISTIC EXPECTATION WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING PLACEMENTS.

IT'S 8% THAT RETURN TO HOMELESSNESS.

IS THERE A BREAKDOWN BETWEEN THOSE THAT ARE BEING HOUSED ON A STREET, ON THE SIDEWALK, VERSUS SOMEONE THAT'S BEING HOUSED, THAT'S IN A SHELTER OR AT A PROVIDER? NOT AT THIS TIME.

I KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT WAS POSED HERE PREVIOUSLY.

SO I HAVE ASKED AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT IF THEY CAN SEPARATE THAT OUT.

OKAY, AND DO WE HAVE A SAVINGS FOR THOSE THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY COME INTO A CAMPUS, AND SO WE'RE NO LONGER DOING CAMP CLEANUPS.

WE'RE NO LONGER SENDING PARAMEDICS OUT.

WE'RE NO LONGER HAVING DPD GO OUT.

IS THERE A NUMBER ATTRIBUTED TO THOSE SOMEONE LIVING ON THE STREET, ON THE SIDEWALK VERSUS SOMEONE THAT WOULD BE HOUSED AT A CAMPUS LIKE THIS? BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT HERE YET, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT A CASE STUDY FROM ANOTHER CITY LIKE AUSTIN OR SAN ANTONIO.

I WILL SAY THAT IT DOESN'T MAKE IT.

IT'S NOT A 1 TO 1 RATIO.

RIGHT? YOU STILL HAVE.

EVEN IN AUSTIN AND SAN ANTONIO, THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE WHO ARE HOMELESS ON THE STREET.

PARAMEDICS STILL GET CALLED.

OUTREACH IS STILL, YOU KNOW, STILL GOES OUT JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT CAMPUS, WHICH OF COURSE, WITH THE BRIDGE HERE, WE ALREADY HAVE IN A SMALLER FORM, DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU'RE SUDDENLY NOT GOING TO SEE HOMELESSNESS ANYMORE.

SO HOW MUCH OF A DECLINE YOU HAVE IN THE SERVICES? I CAN'T SAY, BUT I CAN DEFINITELY ASK THOSE CITIES.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

I MEAN, WE UNDERSTAND THAT HOMELESSNESS IS COMPLEX, AND SO I'M GOING TO, AGAIN, PRESS THAT WE CAN'T HAVE A JUST A ONE SOLUTION, AND SO WE HAVE TO BE LOOKING AT THIS THROUGH MULTI-PRONGS.

SO WE WERE BRIEFED BACK IN IN MAY AND WE'RE HERE TODAY, AND SO WHEN DID YOUR TEAM COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT WE ONLY HAD ABOUT TWO SITES TO CHOOSE FROM.

WITH THE CRITERIA THAT WAS PROVIDED BACK THEN, AND SO HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO REALIZE THAT WE NEEDED TO EXPAND

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WE'VE GONE OUT AND DRIVEN THEM OURSELVES, AND SO WE'VE USED ALL OF THE TIME AT OUR DISPOSAL TO DO THAT DUE DILIGENCE, AND IN TERMS OF NOT HAVING ANY SITES THAT WERE READY FOR OR EXCUSE ME, THAT WERE WITHIN THE APPLICABLE PARAMETERS.

YOU KNOW, WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT.

I HAVE ONE MORE. THAT'S A FOLLOW UP.

I WOULD SAY PROBABLY WITHIN THE PAST MONTH OR SO, AND WE KEPT GOING BACK OUT TO THOSE SITES TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT WE HAD MISSED BECAUSE WE KNEW WE WERE COMING IN SEPTEMBER. OKAY.

SO WITH THIS NEW CRITERIA, EXPANDED CRITERIA TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE COUNTY, LOOK AT ISD, STATE, WHAT'S A REALISTIC TIMELINE? IS IT 30 DAYS? 60 DAYS? WHAT'S THE BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS HOMEWORK SO YOU KIND OF HAVE A SENSE OF WHERE TO LOOK, AND SO, I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK IN OCTOBER TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN EXPANDED LIST OF OPTIONS, AND I WOULD SAY THAT IT REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW THOSE OTHER ENTITIES, WHAT THE RAPIDITY IS OF THEIR RESPONSE, BUT TENTATIVELY, WE PROBABLY COULD COME BACK IN OCTOBER TO DISCUSS SPECIFIC SITES.

OKAY. CHAIR WEST, YOU DIDN'T HAVE A ROUND TWO.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO TO A QUICK ROUND THREE WITH CHAIR.

VICE CHAIR MIDDLETON. THANK YOU.

I JUST HAVE A QUESTION TO FOLLOW UP ON SOMETHING THAT WAS SAID BECAUSE I REALLY THINK IT'S FASCINATING.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THE TIMELINE FROM HOMELESSNESS TO HOUSING FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S ON THE STREET IS ESSENTIALLY 56 DAYS? WELL, GRANTED, EIGHT WEEKS.

SORRY. GRANTED.

THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN OUTSIDE PROBABLY FOR YEARS, BUT WHEN WE DO GET TO THEM, YES, WE CAN DO IT PRETTY QUICKLY, BUT IN A SHELTER, IT'S 109 DAYS.

THAT'S THE AVERAGE TIME ACROSS EVERYONE, BUT I CAN JUST TELL YOU BASED ON WHAT? BASED ON SEEING PEOPLE OUTSIDE WHO'VE NEVER TOUCHED THE SYSTEM, AND THEN YOU AVERAGE THAT OUT WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY IN THE SYSTEM.

THE AVERAGE BETWEEN THEM IS SOMEWHERE AROUND 109.

SO I FIND THAT VERY SHOCKING BECAUSE TRADITIONALLY YOU'LL FIND SOMEBODY IN A SHELTER WHO'S A LITTLE BIT MORE HOUSING READY THAN SOMEBODY WHO'S ON THE STREET, AND I HAVE TO I HAVE TO QUESTION, LIKE, WHAT ACCOUNTABILITY ARE WE EXERTING WITH THE SHELTERS TO PRESERVE TO IMPROVE THOSE OUTCOMES? WELL, SHELTERS HAVE PERFORMANCE BASED PAY THROUGH THE SAME CONTINUUM OF CARE NOTICE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY THAT WE ALL DO TO HUD, AND SO I WOULD SAY THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY PERFORMING AT MUCH HIGHER RATES, BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE THIS CONCENTRATED FUNDING AND WE'RE MARCHING IN THE SAME DIRECTION, BUT AGAIN, YOU HAVE ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN SHELTER AND ALL THE CASE MANAGERS AND I THINK IF YOU HAD A 1 TO 1 RATIO OF CASE MANAGERS.

OF COURSE, THEY COULD MOVE FASTER, BUT CASE MANAGERS HAVE A CYCLE OF PEOPLE.

SO AGAIN, IT'S THE TIME IT TAKES FOR THE CASE MANAGER TO DO THE GREAT WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING WITH EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE AND THE INDIVIDUAL NEEDS THAT THEY HAVE.

WHEREAS WHEN YOU'RE AT A SITE, WE HAVE ALL OF OUR STREET OUTREACH WORKERS COMING TO BEAR ON MAYBE 50 TO 60 PEOPLE, AND SO IT'S A LOT MORE ATTENTION PER PERSON IN THAT SPECIFIC MOMENT.

WELL, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, WE'RE ABOUT TO GIVE SOME MONEY TO THREE DIFFERENT SHELTERS.

WEDNESDAY, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEIR TIMELINE IS.

SO, I MEAN, I GUESS CATHOLIC CHARITIES ISN'T DOING EMERGENCY SHELTERING, RIGHT? THEY'RE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE, BUT WE'VE GOT THE BRIDGE ON AUSTIN STREET THERE, PLEASE.

I MEAN, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THIS ON WEDNESDAY, WHAT IS THEIR AVERAGE TIME FRAME FROM SHELTER TO HOUSING FOR THEIR OUTCOMES? AND FRANKLY, I WOULD LIKE THE COC OR OUR LEAD AGENCY TO PROVIDE THAT FOR EVERY INDIVIDUAL SHELTER.

THIS IS THE KIND OF OVERSIGHT THAT WE SHOULD HAVE, AND I MEAN, I THINK IT'S ALARMING THAT YOU CAN GET HOUSED IN HALF THE TIME ON THE STREET THAN IN A SHELTER, BUT AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND THAT THOSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN OUT THERE FOR YEARS WITH NO TOUCH BASE.

SO IT'S I WOULDN'T AGAIN, I WOULDN'T ENCOURAGE ANYONE TO JUST LEAVE SHELTER AND GO TO THE STREET EXPECTING TO BE HOUSED.

THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR.

I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO START EXITING SHELTER BECAUSE THAT IS THE FASTEST PATHWAY FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT CLEARLY IT'S NOT.

I MEAN, I GUESS YOU COULD JUST LEAVE SHELTER AND CALL 3-1-1 ON YOURSELF AND YOU COULD GET HOUSED TWICE AS FAST.

THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN.

YOU WOULD PROBABLY WE WOULD ADVISE THAT YOU GO BACK TO SHELTER.

IF YOU ARE SITTING OUTSIDE, YOU MIGHT BE ONE OF THOSE ENCAMPMENTS THAT GETS DECOMMISSIONED, BUT IT TAKES TIME TO GO FROM SITE TO SITE.

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WELL, THE BEST WAY WOULD BE TO IMPROVE THE SHELTER EXPERIENCE, I GUESS.

COUNCILMMEMBER WILLIS.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ADDED TIME IS REALLY THAT INSTEAD OF PEOPLE BEING PARKED ON OUT UNDER UNDERPASSES AND IN PARKLAND THAT WE'RE PARKING THEM OR GIVING THEM A DIFFERENT KIND OF OPTION THAT IS BETTER THAN WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN, AND SO IF THEY'RE MOVING THERE BEFORE THEY MOVE TO HOUSING, OF COURSE THAT'S GOING TO ADD SOME TIME, BUT WHAT IT DOES TO THE VISIBLE APPEARANCE IN OUR CITY IS THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING EVERYBODY LIVING IN THESE CONDITIONS.

THEY INSTEAD ARE AT A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN GET SOME MEALS AND MEDICAL CARE AND HELP WITH GETTING AN ID, ETC.

THAT THEY'RE NOT REALLY GETTING NOW UNLESS AN OUTREACH WORKER SHOWS UP.

SO I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT TIME PERIOD, BECAUSE WHAT THAT REALLY REFLECTS IS THAT IT'S JUST THAT YOU'RE NOT ON THE STREET.

YOU'RE ACTUALLY IN SOME SORT OF PATH TO HOUSING.

THE OTHER ISSUE WITH SHELTERS IS THEY'RE AT CAPACITY.

I KNOW WHEN I TOURED THE BRIDGE AND SAW, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE USING DIFFERENT ROOMS THAT AREN'T NORMALLY EMPLOYED FOR THOSE REASONS TO SHELTER MORE PEOPLE, AND YOU'VE GOT MATS ON THE FLOOR. IT'S NOT A GREAT CONDITION.

SO, YOU KNOW, HAVING NOT SPENT THE NIGHT IN A SHELTER IN THOSE CONDITIONS ON A MAT WITH SOMEONE LESS THAN SIX INCHES AWAY FROM ME, I CAN SEE WHY SOME PEOPLE MIGHT PREFER TO BE OUTSIDE.

SO IT'S ALL THIS IS TO SAY IT'S COMPLEX, BUT AS FAR AS THE HOUSING IS CONCERNED, I THINK THE OBJECTIVE IS TO HAVE FEWER PEOPLE OUT ON THE STREET AND MOVE THEM INTO SOME PLACE, WHETHER IT'S IN A TENT, IT SOUNDS LIKE, OR IN THEIR CAR, IF THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE COMFORTABLE, BUT AT A PLACE THAT HAS MORE RESOURCES THAN THEY ARE CURRENTLY GETTING, AND SO THAT IS WHY WE ARE PURSUING THIS ANYWAY.

SO ANYWAY, THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT.

THANKS. THANK YOU.

I'LL JUST CLOSE WITH SOME NEXT STEPS CHARGING STAFF, AND THAT'S COMING BACK WITH AN EXPANDED SEARCH RESULT.

AN UPDATE ON HB 1925 ZONING.

LOOKING AT POTENTIAL TRUSTED PROVIDERS THAT THIS COULD GO OUT TO.

I WOULD THINK THE FIVE MONTHS SHOULD BE 109 DAYS, JUST AS EQUAL AS IT IS TO ANY CURRENT PROVIDER THAT'S OUT THERE TODAY INSTEAD OF THE ADDITIONAL FIVE MONTHS, AND YES, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY TO ADDRESS SEEING THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE CHRONICALLY HOMELESS THAT ARE OUT ON OUR STREETS, AND SO, YES, WE'LL SEE FEWER PEOPLE, BUT IT'S ALSO FOR ME, MORE IMPORTANTLY THE INCREASE IN SUCCESS RATE THAT I TRULY BELIEVE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE THOSE WRAPAROUND SERVICES, JUST AS THEY DO AT ANY OTHER PROVIDER, AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO NEXT MONTH'S BRIEFING AND HOPEFULLY TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS ITEM VERY SOON.

THANK YOU CHRISTINE.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING TO ITEM C, AND I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING STRAIGHT INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THIS ONE.

YES. COULD YOU READ THE CLOSED SESSION SCRIPT PLEASE.

IT IS 11:27 ON SEPTEMBER 23RD, 2024.

THE HOUSING AND HOMELESS SOLUTIONS COMMITTEE WILL NOW GO INTO CLOSED SESSION UNDER SECTION 551.071 AND 551.072 OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT ON THE FOLLOWING MATTERS DESCRIBED ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

ITEM D TO DELIBERATE THE PURCHASE AND EXCHANGE, LEASE OR OR VALUE OF REAL ESTATE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2929 SOUTHAMPTON ROAD. BECAUSE DELIBERATION IS AN OPEN MEETING WOULD HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON THE POSITION OF THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE THIRD PERSON AND OR TO SEEK THE ADVICE OF ITS ATTORNEY ON THIS MATTER.

THE HOUSING AND HOMELESS SOLUTIONS COMMITTEE HAS COMPLETED ITS CLOSED SESSION UNDER SECTION FIVE, 51.071 AND 551.072 OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, AND AT 12:23 P.M.

ON SEPTEMBER 23RD, 2024, WE HAVE RETURNED TO OPEN SESSION.

WE'LL NOW GO TO ITEM E.

WE HAVE THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT COMING FORWARD.

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THANK YOU.

SO MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS THAT SO THERE'S NOT CURRENTLY AN OPERATOR IDENTIFIED.

IS THAT CORRECT FOR INDEPENDENCE? THAT IS CORRECT, BUT YET YOU'RE CONTINUING WITH RENOVATIONS.

SO THE ISSUE WITH INDEPENDENCE DRIVE, AS NOTED IN THE CHART HERE, THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION DEADLINE WAS SEPTEMBER THE 13TH, 2024.

WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY PROPOSALS.

SO WE HAVE REPOSTED THAT SOLICITATION AND IT WILL END ON NOVEMBER THE 18TH.

THAT IS THE PLAN AT THIS TIME.

OKAY, SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CONTINUE WITH ANY RENOVATIONS UNTIL YOU IDENTIFY AN OPERATOR.

THAT IS CORRECT.

THANK YOU. THAT WAS MY QUESTION FOR VANTAGE POINT.

ARE YOU OKAY IF I JUST GO AHEAD AND ASK SOMEONE? YEAH. SO IT'S SAYING THAT IT'S 57% OCCUPIED NOW.

THAT IS CORRECT.

OKAY. SO AGAIN, JUST MIND BLOWING THAT WE WOULD HAVE ALL THESE UNITS AVAILABLE, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE VOUCHERS ATTACHED TO THEM, AND I MEAN, THAT ACTUALLY MEANS THAT THERE WOULD BE ZERO COST IF SOMEBODY IS COMPLETELY UNEMPLOYED.

CORRECT? SO THEY DON'T HAVE VOUCHERS ATTACHED TO THEM.

THERE WILL BE 25 THAT HAVE VOUCHERS ATTACHED TO THEM, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S STILL BEING WORKED THROUGH.

I'M NOT SURE THE TIMING ON THAT.

THE REST OF THEM WOULD NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO HAS A VOUCHER DECIDE TO USE THAT UNIT, AND SO WITH ALL THE STORIES WE HEAR OF PEOPLE WHO ARE AWARDED A VOUCHER BUT CAN'T FIND A PLACE TO USE IT, YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'VE HAD DHA REACH OUT TO ALL VOUCHER HOLDERS AND SAY, HEY, WE HAVE A LOCATION THAT'S READY FOR YOU.

YOU COULD USE YOUR VOUCHER HERE.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY UNITS ARE LEASED SINCE WE'VE HAD THAT REPORT, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE UPTICK IN UNITS HAS BEEN BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A CHANGE IN DOING MORE PROACTIVE ADVERTISEMENT TO PEOPLE THAT THESE UNITS ARE AROUND.

SO THAT HAS HAPPENED, AND THEY'RE SEEING AN UPTICK NOW.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THROUGH DHA, BUT THROUGH THE SYSTEM, THEY'RE DOING THAT ADVERTISING.

SO THERE'S 58 ROOMS STILL AVAILABLE ACCORDING TO THE MEMO, AND YOU'RE SAYING 25 WILL BE KNOCKED OFF WITH A VOUCHER.

SO THOSE SHOULD IMMEDIATELY BE AVAILABLE.

YES. SO THERE'S STILL 33 THAT VOUCHER HOLDERS COULD USE AT THE LOCATION, AND IT'S PROBABLY FEWER NOW BECAUSE THOSE ARE BEING LEASED UP ON A DAILY BASIS, BUT YES.

OKAY. OKAY.

I JUST I'M SORRY.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN HAVE THESE PROPERTIES, THESE ROOMS AVAILABLE SINCE MARCH.

I MEAN, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.

IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

COUNCILMEMBER, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE OPERATOR, SAINT JUDE, THEY'RE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR PARTNERS, WITH THEIR PARTNERS, WITH HOUSING FORWARD, WITH DHA, BUT WE DO EXPECT THE 25 PROJECT BASED VOUCHERS TO BE READY BY THE END OF THIS MONTH.

I KNOW THE CITY IS IN THE PROCESS OF COMPLETING THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.

ONCE THAT IS DONE, WE WILL EXECUTE THE HAP CONTRACT WITH DHA, AND SO WE ARE EXPECTING THOSE 25 VOUCHERS TO COME ONLINE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

OKAY, BUT THE NEXT TIME YOU GUYS WANT TO TELL US THAT, WELL, WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE VOUCHERS.

THEY JUST CAN'T FIND A PLACE TO LIVE.

LIKE, DON'T SAY THAT OUT LOUD BECAUSE I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THIS, RIGHT? I'M GOING TO GO BACK AND SAY, NO, NO, NO VANTAGE POINT.

MORE THAN SIX MONTHS HAD VACANCIES.

THEY WEREN'T EVEN FILLED.

SO OKAY.

THANK YOU. I SAW COUNCILMEMBER WILLIS FIRST.

SO ALONG THAT SAME LINE ON VANTAGE POINT IS ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL REQUEST.

DO WE KNOW WHY THE DHA DIDN'T SUBMIT THAT REQUEST TO THE CITY UNTIL SEPTEMBER 12TH? AND WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH DHA AROUND THE DELAYS, AND WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD IS THAT THERE WERE OTHER PROJECTS IN THE PIPELINE AND THAT REQUEST JUST WAS IT WAS JUST SUBMITTED ON THE 12TH OF SEPTEMBER.

WELL, RIGHT. I SEE THAT PART, BUT I MEAN, THE PROJECT WAS COMPLETED, IT LOOKS LIKE IN JULY, AND IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THERE'S SOME COMMON SPACES THAT THERE WAS STILL WORK BEING DONE ON, BUT MAYBE THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THE RESIDENTS AS MUCH.

I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.

SO YOU'RE TELLING ME DHA HAD OTHER PROJECTS IN THE PIPELINE SO THEY COULDN'T GET AROUND TO MAKING THE REQUEST FOR A MONTH AND A HALF? CORRECT, AND THEN THE CITY IS ACTUALLY ACTING, IT LOOKS LIKE PRETTY EXPEDITIOUSLY, AND KNOCKING THIS OUT IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.

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THIS WAS NOT ON THEIR PRIORITY LIST, SO IT WASN'T DONE TIMELY.

WE DID PUT PRESSURE ON DHA TO GET THIS OVER AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AS A RESULT.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS UPDATE.

SURE. WELL, YEAH, I'D LOVE TO KNOW WHEN THINGS AREN'T A PRIORITY LIKE THAT BECAUSE THIS IS STANDING.

THIS IS 25 ROOMS, SO.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

CHAIR WEST. THANKS.

I JUST WANT TO ALSO POINT OUT I APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ON THE VANTAGE POINT PROJECT, BUT THERE WAS A LETTER THAT RECENTLY CAME OUT FROM HOUSING FORWARD.

IT JUST CAME OUT ON THE 18TH.

I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO DIGEST IT YET, BUT IT CLARIFIES THE DIFFERENCE IN SAINT JUDE KIND OF GOING ON THEIR OWN WITH THIS PROJECT VERSUS GOING THROUGH THE HOUSING FORWARD SYSTEM. I'LL JUST MAKE SURE MY COLLEAGUES GET A COPY OF THIS, BECAUSE I'M NOT 100% UNDERSTANDING OF IT, BUT I KNOW WHEN AN OPERATOR DOES CHOOSE, LIKE SAINT JUDE DID, TO GO ON THEIR OWN, IT DOES MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT, RIGHT, TO GET THE VOUCHER HOUSING SECURED.

DO YOU GUYS WANT TO CLARIFY THAT OR DO YOU WANT ME JUST TO PASS THIS OUT.

I THINK PASSING IT OUT IS FINE, BUT I WOULD SAY YES, THEY DID EXPLAIN THAT IF YOU'RE DOING A FULL PSH PROPERTY, THE IDEAL IS TO BRING IN A CAPITAL ALSO, THEN THE VOUCHERS.

SO YOU WOULD BE APPLYING TO THE SYSTEM TO THE GOVERNMENT FOR THE VOUCHERS AND THEN THE ONGOING SUPPORTS, AND SO IF YOU'RE ONLY COMING IN WITH A CAPITAL THEN YOU'RE EXPECTING PEOPLE TO BRING THEIR OWN VOUCHERS, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY CAN CHOOSE TO GO ANYWHERE WITH THEIR VOUCHERS.

SO IF YOUR UNITS ARE NOT WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, THAT'S THERE'S LESS INCENTIVE TO MOVE THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A VOUCHER IMMEDIATELY ATTACHED TO THE UNIT, EXCEPT FOR THE 25 THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THE CITY AND MOVING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, WITH LIKE THE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING NOFA THAT WE NOW DO, THAT MANDATES THAT YOU WORK WITH THE COC TO APPLY FOR THE VOUCHERS SO YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE SO THAT THERE IS A GUARANTEE THAT THE VOUCHERS WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY ATTACHED TO THE PROPERTY. PERFECT.

OKAY. LET'S JUST MAKE SURE EVERYBODY GETS THAT LETTER, PLEASE.

THANK YOU.

COUNCILMEMBER GRACEY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ITEM F.

THANK YOU. JUST KIND OF CURIOUS.

LIKE WHAT? WHAT DO WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ITEM F? I REMEMBER CADILLAC LAW AND THIS PROGRAM.

I REMEMBER, AND I KNOW THAT TITLE CLEARING IS A BIG CHALLENGE TO US GETTING PROPERTIES ON THE MARKET OR GETTING THEM TO ACTUALLY BE DEVELOPED.

LIKE, I'M NOT SAYING LIKE THIS IS ANY KIND OF ACTION IN THE FUTURE.

IS THE PROGRAM STILL ONGOING? WHAT'S GOING ON WITH IT? THANK YOU. THOR ERICKSON, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING.

THIS IS A STATUS UPDATE ON THE PROGRAM.

IT'S NOT CURRENTLY FUNDED FOR THE FISCAL YEAR.

WE'VE TRIED TWO DIFFERENT VENDORS OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS OF DIFFERING LEVELS OF SUCCESS.

SO THIS IS AN UPDATE ON THAT PROGRAM CURRENTLY.

OKAY. VICE CHAIR MIDDLETON.

WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I THINK THIS PROGRAM IS A TOTAL DISAPPOINTMENT.

SO THIS HAPPENED VERY SOON AFTER COUNCILMEMBER WEST AND I WERE ELECTED.

IT'S SOMETHING I WAS VERY INVOLVED WITH IN MY EMPLOYMENT JUST BEFORE COMING TO CITY COUNCIL AND MANY OF THE HOMES THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO ASSIST WITH HOME REPAIR, IT WAS BECAUSE OF THIS TANGLED TITLE, AND I KNOW DAVID AND I WORKED ON THIS QUITE A BIT.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE MODEL THAT I WAS ADVOCATING FOR WASN'T THE ONE PURSUED, WHICH WOULD HAVE USED SMU STUDENTS TO DO THAT DIRECT CONNECTION WITH WITH RESIDENTS AND SO WHEN WE HAD THE THREE YEAR CONTRACT WITH CADILLAC LAW, AND IT SERVES SO FEW PEOPLE AND BASICALLY DID NOT DO THE WORK THAT WAS NEEDED, IN MY OPINION, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU WENT TO THIS PRO SOURCE FOR THE ONE YEAR, WE'VE NOW SPENT $400,000 AND YOU'VE LITERALLY HAD ONE PERSON ACTUALLY GO THROUGH PROBATE.

THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE.

I MEAN, SAYING SOMEONE WAS SERVED.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT 71 SERVED FOR THE TWO AGENCIES TOGETHER, BUT ONLY 58 PEOPLE HAD AN AFFIDAVIT OF HEIRSHIP, 41 DEEDS, SIX TITLE REPORTS AND ONE CORRECTION AFFIDAVIT.

I MEAN, THE AFFIDAVIT OF HEIRSHIP DOESN'T ACTUALLY UNTANGLE THEIR TITLE.

GIVING THEM A COPY OF THEIR DEED DOESN'T UNTANGLE THEIR TITLE.

GIVING THEM A TITLE REPORT, DOESN'T UNTANGLE THEIR TITLE LIKE NONE OF THOSE THINGS ACTUALLY DID.

THE THING WE NEEDED TO HAVE DONE, AND, YOU KNOW, I READ THE MEMO.

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YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT HAPPENS ACROSS MULTIPLE INDUSTRIES, BUT THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME TO YOU SAYING, I NEED HELP CLEARING MY TITLE. THEY KNOW THEY'VE GOT A PROBLEM AND THESE ARE THE MOST AT RISK HOMES FOR FORECLOSURE AND FOR THE CITY TO END UP TAKING THEM BACK, AND THIS IS, I THINK, VERY, VERY DISAPPOINTING.

ARE YOU INTENDING TO DO ANY OTHER KIND OF PROGRAM TO HELP WITH THIS EFFORT? SO IF I MAY I BELIEVE THAT I THINK WE ALL ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT THIS SERVICE WAS NOT DIDN'T YIELD WHAT WE ALL WANTED IT TO THE OUTCOME TO BE, AND I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR, I THINK TAKING RESPONSIBILITY AND SAYING THAT THESE HAVE BEEN FAILURES, AND SO WE NEED TO STOP AND REASSESS AND POTENTIALLY BRING SOMETHING BACK, BUT WE ALSO ARE DOING THINGS PRIOR TO SOMEONE NEEDING A TITLE CLEARANCE AND MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE AHEAD OF TIME, PUTTING IN THOSE WILLS AND THOSE TESTAMENTS IN ORDER TO NOT BE IN A POSITION TO CLEARING UP TITLES.

NONETHELESS, THERE'RE STILL TITLES THAT NEED TO BE CLEARED, AND SO, THOR, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I HAD A CASE THAT I WAS REALLY TRYING TO HELP AN INDIVIDUAL TO CLEAR THEIR TITLE, AND THERE WAS JUST A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH, AND SO IF YOU JUST WANT TO CHIME IN ON WHAT FAILED AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT TO POTENTIALLY BRING BACK AS A NEW SERVICE IN THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR COMMENTARY.

WE ECHO THE SAME CONCERNS, RIGHT? WE TRIED A COUPLE DIFFERENT MODELS.

NOT EVERYBODY NEEDED TO GO TO PROBATE.

SOME PEOPLE NEEDED AN AFFIDAVIT OF HEIRSHIP TO MAKE IT A MARKETABLE TITLE.

SOME NEEDED SPECIAL WARRANTY DEEDS.

SOME PEOPLE REALLY SOUGHT THE SERVICE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO GET THEIR A COPY OF THEIR DEED, BUT EVERYTHING WAS ALREADY ALREADY THERE.

WITH THAT SAID, THERE'RE STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE CLEAR TITLE OR MARKETABLE TITLE TO DO OTHER THINGS WITH THEIR ASSETS.

SOMETIMES THEY JUST NEEDED TO HAVE THE PROOF OF PROPER HEIRSHIP IN ORDER TO SHOW CLEAR OWNERSHIP, WHICH WAS WHICH WAS SUFFICIENT FOR US TO PROVIDE HOME REPAIR, BUT THE ISSUE OF CLEARING TITLE NEEDS TO BE MORE ROBUST.

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH JILL HANING IN COMMUNITY PROSECUTION ABOUT LOOKING AT THE LAW STUDENT MODEL, LOOKING AT HOW DO WE EMBED THIS IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST ONE.

ONE ASPECT IS ABOUT HELPING PEOPLE THAT ARE APPLYING FOR OUR DIRECT SERVICES LIKE HOME REPAIR.

ANOTHER IS HELPING THE GENERAL POPULATION WITH AN AIRSHIP ISSUE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT ASSET THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CITY SERVICES, BUT THAT FAMILY STILL WANTS TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, OR MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN START TO BE MORE PROACTIVE WITH HAVING PEOPLE HAVE WILLS THAT HAVE BEEN PROBATED BEFORE PASSING, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE MORE EDUCATION AROUND IT.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS WITH A FEW DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS TO UNDERSTAND HOW CAN WE ADVOCATE FOR THIS SERVICE THAT'S DESPERATELY NEEDED, BUT MIGHT BE MORE THAN A HOUSING DEPARTMENT RESPONSE TO IT? WELL, I'LL JUST SAY THIS THAT WHEN WHEN I WAS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR REBUILDING TOGETHER, TANGLED TITLES WERE THE NUMBER ONE REASON WE COULDN'T HELP SOMEBODY IN SOUTHERN DALLAS NOT ANYWHERE ELSE OF OUR SERVICE AREA, JUST IN SOUTHERN DALLAS.

SO THERE'S CLEARLY SOME CULTURAL ISSUE OF NOT PROVIDING DOCUMENTATION OR COMPLICATED DOCUMENTATION, MEANING OWNER BEQUEATHS IT TO FIVE CHILDREN WHO THEN BEQUEATH IT TO THEIR FIVE CHILDREN, AND NOBODY'S REALLY SURE HOW IT IS ANYMORE, BUT THE SECOND ONE WAS LEAD PAINT, AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS EPA CERTIFIED LEAD PAINT ABATEMENT ORGANIZATION, AND I PERSONALLY WAS CERTIFIED, AND WHEN I READ THIS MEMO ABOUT THE OUTCOMES FOR THIS, I CAN'T HELP BUT READ THAT ARTICLE ABOUT LEAD PAINT, AND I FEEL LIKE THIS IS JUST ANOTHER PROGRAM WHERE WE DID NOT DO WHAT WE SET OUT TO DO, AND WE DIDN'T HANDLE IT RIGHT, AND I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED. I HOPE THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO TRY TO WORK ON THIS ISSUE, PERHAPS WITH LEGAL AID TAKING OVER.

THEY SEEM TO BE A TRUSTED ORGANIZATION WITHIN SOUTHERN DALLAS, BUT WITHOUT THE CAPACITY TO DO THIS WORK, AND PERHAPS THEY CAN ENGAGE THE STUDENTS AT SMU WHO COULD GREATLY BENEFIT FROM THE EXPERIENCE OF DOING THIS KIND OF WORK.

THANK YOU.

COUNCILMEMBER WILLIS.

CHAIR GRACEY.

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS.

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WHAT ARE THE STATUS OF OR DO WE KNOW THE STATUS OF THE HOMES THAT ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THIS PROGRAM, THROUGH THIS, THIS PROGRAM, WHETHER THEY WERE ABLE TO BE SERVICED OR NOT? DO WE KEEP TRACK OF, YOU KNOW, THE HOMES END UP TAKEN OR ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, DO WE KNOW THE STATUS OF THOSE HOMES? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T HAVE THE FULL STATUS UPDATE PART OF THAT WITH THE SCREENINGS THAT THE CONSULTANTS DID.

YOU KNOW, THEY LOOKED AT A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT SITUATIONS, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE DATA ON EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE SCREENED.

IN A WAY, THIS OVERLAPS WITH THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOMEOWNERSHIP AND HOW WE CAN SOMETIMES LOSE THOSE GRAPHS, TOO.

SO I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW KIND OF WHAT HAPPENS.

SO I'LL BE FOLLOWING THIS AND JUST THE PROCESS AND MAKING SURE I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS OF HOW THEY'RE BEING SERVED, AND IF THEY CAN'T BE SERVED, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PROPERTIES? YOU MAY NOT KEEP TRACK OF THEM AND THAT'S FINE, BUT JUST SUCCESS OR FAILURE I GUESS, IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

ITEM G.

MENDELSOHN. THANK YOU.

SO I KIND OF AM PUTTING G AND H TOGETHER IN THE SENSE THAT I FEEL LIKE THE MEMO MAY HAVE ALSO BEEN CONFLATING THE TWO. IF WE CAN JUST TALK ABOUT.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN BOND GENERAL FUND MIHDB FUND, WHERE IS IT FROM AND WHERE IS IT GOING? AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE? YES, COUNCILMEMBER.

WELL, WHAT YOU HAVE HERE, THIS IS OLD BOND MONEY.

YOU HAVE ABOUT $536,000 IN UNOBLIGATED FUNDS THAT WERE ALLOCATED TO BOTH SERVICE PROVIDERS, BOTH TERRACON AND LINEBARGER.

LINEBARGER FOR LEGAL FEES.

TERRACON FOR ENVIRONMENTAL FEES.

SO THERE'S 536,000.

THAT IS UNOBLIGATED THAT WE WANT TO USE OR EXPAND THE USE OF THOSE FUNDS FOR ACQUISITION FOR THE LAND BANK TO ACQUIRE MORE PROPERTIES TO HELP WITH SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS A COUNCIL PRIORITY.

ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE OPTION FOR THE 300,000 IN GENERAL FUND.

WE HAVE SINCE RESCINDED THAT.

WE WILL NOT ASK FOR THAT IN THE COUNCIL AGENDA ITEM.

WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR BUDGET TEAM AND SO WE'RE GOING TO DELETE THAT FROM THIS ITEM.

SO YOU WON'T SEE THAT IN THE COUNCIL AGENDA ITEM.

HOWEVER, ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE ESTABLISHMENT OF APPROPRIATIONS OF $1 MILLION IN MIHDB FUNDS, WE ARE ASKING FOR THAT APPROPRIATION TO ASSIST WITH SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

WE WILL USE THOSE FUNDS TO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL LOTS TO HELP WITH THE MANAGEMENT OF OUR DHADC.

WE HAVE REVAMPED THAT CORPORATION.

WE'VE IMPLEMENTED NEW TECHNOLOGIES DATA MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

WE'VE ALSO BROUGHT IN ADDITIONAL THIRD PARTY LEGAL FIRM TO HELP WITH CONTRACTS TO GET THOSE LOTS SOLD TO DEVELOPERS, TO GET THOSE LOTS UNDER CONTRACT, TO GET UNITS ON THE GROUND TO HELP US WITH OUR PRIORITIES THAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER TODAY AROUND HOMEOWNERSHIP FOR DALLAS RESIDENTS.

SO THAT'S THIS IS IN TOTAL WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO EXPEDITE LOTS TO DEVELOPERS, TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO HELP LEVERAGE HOMEOWNERSHIP OPTIONS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. OKAY.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION, AND THANK YOU FOR PULLING OUT THE GENERAL FUND DOLLARS, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.

SO YOU'RE JUST USING BOND AND THE DENSITY PROGRAM? CORRECT. OKAY, AND IS IT YOUR INTENTION THEN TO SELL THOSE LOTS FOR THE $1,000, OR ARE YOU GOING TO ACTUALLY TRY TO RECOVER ANY OF THIS MONEY? SO RIGHT NOW, AS AS I STATED EARLIER, WE'RE KIND OF REVAMPING EVERYTHING AND LOOKING AT AUTOMATION AND DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING THINGS.

SO RIGHT NOW WE ARE WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT TO DO A FEE STUDY ON THOSE LOTS TO RIGHT SIZE THE LAND TRANSFER LOTS TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE SELLING THOSE LOTS FOR ACROSS THE LAND BANK.

SO ONCE THAT FEE STUDY IS COMPLETED, WE WILL HAVE AN UPDATED FEE STRUCTURE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SELLING THOSE LOTS FOR THE RIGHT AMOUNT AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DHADC IS SOLVENT OVER THE LONG TERM, SO THAT'S OUR PLAN, AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE BALANCE IS FOR DHADC? THE BALANCE? YEAH. SO RIGHT NOW THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE YEAR IS AROUND $800,000.

OKAY, AND WILL THE FUNDS FROM THE BOND AND THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM COVER EVERYTHING WE FEEL AT THIS TIME? ONCE WE GET THOSE DOLLARS, IT'S GOING TO HELP US REMAIN FINANCIALLY SOLVENT, VIABLE OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS.

SO AS WE GET PROPERTIES SOLD, MONEY WILL BE GENERATED.

SO THIS IS THE KIND OF HELP THE LAND BANK GET TO A POINT WHERE IT'S SELF-SUSTAINING, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT RIGHT.

[02:35:03]

THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT.

GOTCHA. THANK YOU. ON ITEM H.

ITEM I.

CHAIR WEST. THANK YOU.

CHAIR AND I HAD SENT PREVIOUSLY SENT A MEMO ABOUT THIS ITEM TO STAFF.

SO THIS SHOULD COME AS NO SURPRISE.

I'VE GOT ISSUES WITH THE COMPOSITION AND THE LIMITATIONS ON THE INCLUSIVE HOUSING TASK FORCE.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN HAVE A TASK FORCE DEVELOPING OUR HOUSING POLICY WITH NO ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS HOW THE PROGRAM, WHO ACTUALLY IS WORKING ON THE PROGRAMS, ON THE TASK FORCE.

SO WHY WAS IT DECIDED THAT INDIVIDUALS WHO MIGHT APPLY FOR THE FOR THAT COULD NOT BE ON THIS EVEN THOUGH THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER 12. A YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

COUNCILMAN. HISTORICALLY, HOUSING HAS HAD ACCUSATIONS ABOUT CONFLICT OF INTEREST, MAKING DEALS, PICKING FAVORITES.

YOU KNOW, HAVING DEVELOPERS HAVE UNFAIR ACCESS TO STAFF, ESPECIALLY AS THEY'RE GOING TO GET READY TO APPLY FOR FUNDING OR FOR SUPPORT.

SO THE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ON THE TASK FORCE IS ESSENTIAL, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MEMBERS ON THAT TASK FORCE DON'T HAVE AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE TO STAFF WHO MIGHT END UP SHIFTING OR ADVOCATING FOR A POLICY CHANGE THAT THEY CAN DIRECTLY BENEFIT FROM.

SO THE MEMBERS OF THE TASK FORCE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT CREATED BY AN ORDINANCE, IT'S BY RESOLUTION, DON'T ACTUALLY FOLLOW CHAPTER 12 A UNTIL THEY APPLY FOR FUNDING AT THAT POINT, THEN THEY CAN'T HAVE ACCESS TO STAFF OR COUNCILMEM BERS IN THAT PROCUREMENT PROCESS.

SO HAVING SOMEONE SERVE ON THIS TASK FORCE THAT WILL HAVE THAT UNFAIR ADVANTAGE TO STAFF, THAT HELPS CONTROL OR SET POLICY AND THEN BENEFIT FROM IT, WOULD IMMEDIATELY MAKE THEM NOT ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE ANY FUNDING OR SUPPORT AS SOON AS THEY START TO HAVE THE APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED.

SO WE WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT REPRESENT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ON THE TASK FORCE THAN WE DO, AND WE WANT TO HAVE FORUMS TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WHAT IS GOING ON THAT IS CREATING BURDENS OR BENEFITS FOR THEM, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A TASK FORCE THAT SETS UP A SYSTEM THAT THEY THEN HAVE UNFAIR ADVANTAGE TO US. HUD DOESN'T ALLOW THAT IN BOTH HOME AND CDBG FUNDS, AND CHAPTER 12 DOESN'T ALLOW IT.

ONCE A DEVELOPER ENTERS THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS.

SO WE TOOK THE STANCE TO SET IT UP TO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SERVE, BUT MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SEEK CITY FUNDING OR SUPPORT, TO NOT PUT US INTO A CONFLICT OR PERCEIVED CONFLICT AND HAVE EVERYTHING ABOVE BOARD.

COMPLETELY DISAGREE.

UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I THINK IT'S A HUGE MISTAKE.

A HUGE MISTAKE TO NOT HAVE THE PEOPLE HELPING US DEVELOP THE POLICY, BEING THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY USE IT.

YOU'VE GOT THE MEMO YOU HAVE HERE HAS 21 PEOPLE ON THE TASK FORCE.

ALMOST ALL OF THEM ARE COMMUNITY MEMBERS OR FAITH BASED OR PHILANTHROPY.

THEY CERTAINLY SHOULD HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE, BUT THE ACTUAL PERSON DEVELOPING THE PROGRAM SHOULD I MEAN, THEY'RE THE ONES THEY'RE NOT EVEN ON THERE.

IT'S CRAZY, AND TO SAY THAT STAFF DOESN'T ALREADY HAVE ACCESS TO AND RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE PEOPLE IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WORLD IS CRAZY BECAUSE YOU ALL GO TO CONFERENCES TOGETHER FOR MULTIPLE DAYS.

YOU YOU SEE THEM ALL THE TIME UP HERE.

YOU'RE ALREADY WORKING WITH THESE INDIVIDUALS.

SO YOU'VE TAKEN WHAT IS A CONCERN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, COMES UP SOMETIMES AND IT'S A VALID CONCERN, AND YOU'VE GONE BEYOND THE GUISE OF CHAPTER 12 A AND YOU'RE DOING IT AT A DETRIMENT TO US DEVELOPING GOOD POLICY THAT'S GOING TO ACTUALLY WORK ON THE GROUND.

SO I DON'T LIKE IT.

I DON'T THINK THIS TASK FORCE, I'M VERY CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS HERE.

I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A CHECK THE BOX TASK FORCE THAT'S NOT GOING TO ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN MAKE STAFF FEEL GOOD ABOUT CHECKING THE BOX AND I'VE SAID MY PIECE.

THANK YOU. CHAIR MIDDLETON.

WELL, I AGREE ACTUALLY, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE COMPOSITION OF THIS TASK FORCE.

WHAT'S MISSING ARE POLICY DEVELOPERS.

WE HAVE LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINK TANKS THAT WORK ON HOUSING POLICY THAT CROSSED THE ENTIRE POLITICAL SPECTRUM.

THAT COULD HAVE HELPED REALLY DEAL WITH SOME VERY SIGNIFICANT ISSUES FACING OUR CITY, AND THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACADEMICS WHO ARE IMMERSED IN THIS GENERALLY HAVE EXPERIENCE, BUT WOULDN'T BE APPLYING FOR FUNDING.

[02:40:06]

I GOT A PROBLEM WITH THIS, AND IT'S USUALLY ABOUT THE MONEY, AND SO I THINK THIS IS CONCERNING.

I MEAN, I ONLY KNOW A HANDFUL OF THE PEOPLE ON HERE.

I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE AGE AND EXPERIENCES THAT WOULD BE REALLY ROBUST FOR MAKING THE KIND OF POLICY I'M HOPING TO SEE COME OUT OF HERE. THANK YOU.

YEAH. THANK YOU, AND ON THIS FIRST YEAR OF APPLICATION.

RIGHT. I CAN SAY THAT THE STRUCTURE IN THE POLICY DALLAS HOUSING POLICY 2033 INTENTIONALLY LAID OUT A VISION FOR THE TASK FORCE THAT WAS MORE COMMUNITY HEAVY THAN ADVOCATE OR INDUSTRY HEAVY TO SUPPORT THAT IDEA OF EDUCATION, INFORMING ON COMMUNITY ISSUES.

WITH THAT SAID, THERE'S OPPORTUNITY IN THIS FIRST YEAR TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW THAT'S WORKING, WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED, WHAT CAN WE ITERATE AND THINK ABOUT.

SO YOUR COMMENTARY TODAY IS VERY HELPFUL IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE INDUSTRIES THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IN ENVISIONING THIS IN OUR NEXT APPLICATION PERIOD IN THE SPRING, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A TARGETED EFFORT TO ATTRACT AND TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO APPLY SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE DIFFERENT VOICES THAT MAKE A VERY ROBUST TASK FORCE FROM VERY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES COMING TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT.

GO AHEAD. OKAY. WELL, I'LL JUST ECHO WHAT'S BEEN BEEN SAID BY MY COLLEAGUES BECAUSE AFTER LOOKING AT ITEM B AND THESE GAPS AND THAT WHAT WE SEE THIS AMAZING NUMBER BEFORE US OF WHAT OUR CITY IS GOING TO NEED, AND IT DOES SEEM LIKE THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY UNDERSTAND MORE.

I MEAN, WE GET THE WE GET WHAT WE NEED AND THAT IT NEEDS TO BE INCLUSIVE AND OF DIFFERENT INCOME LEVELS AND EVERYTHING.

IT'S REALLY THAT GAP BETWEEN HOW DO WE MAKE IT HAPPEN AND SO THE FINANCE WORLD, THE DEVELOPER WORLD, I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE THE RUBBER REALLY MEETING THE ROAD, AND I THINK UNDERSTANDING THAT AND TAKING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER SO THAT WE CAN GO FROM NUMBERS ON THE PAGE TO ACTUAL 3D PLACES TO LIVE, IS THE IMPORTANT PART OF THIS EQUATION.

SO I JUST WANT TO VOICE SUPPORT FOR THAT.

THANK YOU.

THOR, I WANT TO THANK YOU.

THIS WAS A LONG PROCESS.

IT TOOK A LOT INTO ACCOUNT.

COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ AND I DELIBERATED WITH YOU MULTIPLE TIMES ON THE SELECTION.

WE LOOKED AT THE CHILD ACTION POVERTY LAB MANUAL EARLIER, AND THAT'S EXACTLY THE QUESTIONS WE WERE ASKING.

THIS IS NOT COMMUNITY FOCUSED.

WE NEED TO LEARN. WE NEED TO GET IT DIRECTLY FROM THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THESE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY ANY DECISIONS THAT CITY HALL IS GOING TO BE MAKING, AND SO I WANT TO I WANT TO APPLAUD YOU FOR, FOR REALLY HONING DOWN ON MAKING THIS COMMUNITY DRIVEN AND HOLDING THOSE ETHICS OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST, MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE INNER-DEALINGS WITH CITY HALL.

WE DO HAVE BUSINESS PEOPLE ON, ON THIS TASK FORCE AND WE WILL ADAPT AND CHANGE IF NEEDED, BUT BUT I THINK WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING TRANSPARENT AND THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT ARE GOING TO POTENTIALLY BE BEFORE US, AND SO WE ARE STILL OPEN TO HAVING CONTINUING DISCUSSIONS.

I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE LOOK AT THE UPCOMING MEETINGS AND HOPEFULLY YOU OR SOMEONE FROM YOUR TEAM, OUR TEAMS CAN ATTEND.

THESE ARE OPEN MEETINGS AND SO, THOR, CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THOSE MEETINGS WILL TAKE PLACE, WHAT THE AGENDA WILL BE, AND JUST GIVE US SOME FRAMEWORK AROUND IT.

YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND, AND THESE ARE SEMI PRIVATE MEETINGS.

RIGHT. THE TASK FORCE IS INVITED TO CONVENE.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE INVITE PROPER DEPARTMENTS AND ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES TO BE THERE TO, TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

THEY'RE NOT SET UP RIGHT NOW AS A FORUM THAT IS OPEN TO THE TO THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE THE TASK FORCE IS SUPPOSED TO GET TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT SOME THINGS, HAVE THAT SPACE WHERE THEY'RE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT AGENDA ONE IN THE FIRST MEETING WAS TALKING ABOUT OUR HOUSING POLICY.

WHAT IS IT? RIGHT. SETTING THE FOUNDATION, TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE OF THIS.

LAST WEEK WE TALKED ABOUT THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN.

OUR OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION WAS THERE TO TALK ABOUT THE FOUNDATIONAL ASPECTS OF THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN WITHIN THE CITY, AND THE OUTCOME OF THAT WAS THEY SAID THEY WANTED MORE. THEY WANTED MORE HOMEWORK.

THEY WANT TO DIVE DEEPER. THEY WANT TO GET IN QUICKER.

THEY LOVE THE PRESENTATIONS.

THEY'RE READY TO DIVE IN AND UNDERSTAND HOW THE POLICIES WORK, HOW THEY IMPLEMENT.

SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THESE MEETINGS SET UP AND STRUCTURED TO NOT ONLY, LIKE, LISTEN TO THEM, BUT TO START TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.

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WE CAN HAVE THE BANKERS AND HAVE SESSIONS LIKE THAT.

SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE AGENDAS AS WE PUT TOGETHER TO HELP INFORM AND UNDERSTAND THIS FROM BUILDING, THE EDUCATION UP FROM THIS DIFFERENT PURVIEW AND THEN LEARNING FROM EACH OTHER IS THE WAY IT'S BEEN STRUCTURED TO DATE.

THANK YOU. CHAIR MENDELSOHN.

WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING THIS ON YOUR AGENDA, BUT I'M GOING TO OBJECT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT TELLING THE ACCURATE STORY OF OUR HOUSING SITUATION, AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING POLICY NEED TO UNDERSTAND.

I THINK IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PUT PEOPLE WHO MANY HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLOWING ALL OF THESE ISSUES.

IF YOU'RE JUST NOW ABSORBING THE HOUSING POLICY, IF YOU'RE JUST NOW ABSORBING THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO SYNTHESIZE THAT WITH OUR HOUSING NEEDS TO TRY TO COME UP WITH THIS.

I'M WORRIED ABOUT WHAT THE OUTCOME IS GOING TO BE, AND MAYBE EVEN JUST THE FRAMEWORK FOR HOW THIS WILL TURN OUT.

I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE INFORMATION THAT WILL BE FED.

SO THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ITEM J.

CHAD, THIS ONE'S YOURS.

JUST A QUICK COMMENT, CHAIR.

THIS IS THE PFC PROJECT FOR THIS IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST DEVELOPMENT PARCEL IN THE OAK FARMS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET DEVELOPED FOR A LONG TIME AND EXCITED THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A PROVEN DEVELOPER.

WITH MINTWOOD AND THEIR TEAM, AND I THINK WE'VE GOT SOMEONE HERE FROM MINTWOOD.

I WILL SAY, AS I MENTIONED TO MISS SLADE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND FOR ME TO END UP ULTIMATELY SUPPORTING THIS, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME GROUND FLOOR LEVEL OF RETAIL.

TO KICK THIS OFF, I THINK IT WOULD BE A HUGE MISS FOR THIS TO BE AN APARTMENT GRAVEYARD WITH WITH FIVE STORY WRAPPED APARTMENTS OVER THE ENTIRE OAK FARMS DEVELOPMENT.

SO WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF A MASTER PLAN, THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING I'M GOING TO PUSH FOR AS THIS COMES TO COUNCIL AND JUST WANT TO GIVE MY COLLEAGUES A HEADS UP.

THANK YOU, CHAIR MIDDLETON.

WELL, CERTAINLY LEAVE THIS FOR THE ROBUST CONVERSATION WE'LL HAVE AROUND THE HORSESHOE, BUT ALL OF THESE 60% AFFORDABLE RATES ARE AVAILABLE AT MARKET RATE IN DISTRICT 12, WHERE THEY'RE PAYING TAXES ON THEIR PROPERTY.

THANK YOU. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT SITE, SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN UNDEVELOPED FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

DON'T GET TO DRIVE DOWN ON THE BOTTOM THERE, AND SO I DID HAVE A QUESTION TO STAFF.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ON THE RECORD.

IF THIS IS INSIDE OR OUTSIDE THE FLOODPLAIN.

DO YOU KNOW? WE CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION, COUNCILMAN.

I CAN CHIME IN JUST TO FROM A NON-ENGINEER STANDPOINT IS THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK DONE WITH THE PUMPHOUSE DOWN THERE, AND THERE'S A NEW PUMP FACILITY THAT'S BEING BUILT AND SO I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHERE IT COMES UP TO, BUT SARAH STANDIFER IS ALL OVER IT.

THANK YOU. I AM I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

IT LOOKS LIKE A WELL PLANNED OUT DEVELOPMENT.

I DO HAVE CONCERN WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING JUST BEING AT 60 AND 80% AMI.

I LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONVERSATION TO BEING ABLE TO GO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER WITH FOLKS AT A FUTURE DATE, BUT I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT AND LOOK FORWARD TO IT HAPPENING.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.

ITEM K.

MENDELSOHN. THANK YOU.

I BELIEVE THIS IS A REPORT IN RESPONSE TO THE MEMO I SENT ASKING FOR THIS INFORMATION.

HOWEVER, THIS IS NOT THE INFORMATION I ASKED FOR.

SO IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH WHERE IT SAYS IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT DONATIONS ARE RECEIVED FROM VARIOUS SOURCES AND ARE NOT SPECIFIC TO THE GIVE RESPONSIBLY CAMPAIGN.

WELL, THAT'S THE DATA I WANTED, I DON'T WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING THAT CAME IN FOR OHS.

I WANT TO KNOW ONLY WHAT CAME IN FROM THE GIVE RESPONSIBLE, RESPONSIBLY CAMPAIGN.

SO IF THERE'S OTHER DOLLARS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED, I'D LIKE THIS TO BE REDONE AND TAKEN OUT.

THIS IS NOT WHAT I ASKED FOR.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. CHRISTINE CROSSLEY, OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS DIRECTOR.

SO CFT DOESN'T ALLOW US TO TRACK WHAT PURPOSE IT COMES IN FOR.

IT ALL JUST COMES IN FOR THE GENERAL PURPOSE THAT'S STATED ON THE WEBSITE IN TERMS OF BEING USED FOR EMERGENCIES LIKE INCLEMENT WEATHER, SHELTER, BUT YOU CAN'T EARMARK IT WHEN

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I WANT THIS TO GO FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

THERE'S NO WAY TO TRACK THAT.

SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA.

ALL WE HAVE IS HERE IS THE TOTALITY OF WHAT'S IN CFT, AND HERE ARE THE THINGS THAT DRIVE IT COMING IN.

WHAT OTHER PURPOSES COULD PEOPLE HAVE DONATED INTO THIS FUND? SO OUR GOAL IS NOT ACTUALLY TO RAISE FUNDS.

WE DON'T WANT TO COMPETE WITH ANY OF THE OTHER NONPROFITS, BUT WE DO FIND THAT SOMETIMES, ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTER, PEOPLE REALLY JUST WANT TO GIVE AND THEIR INTERACTIONS WITH OHS.

SO IT COULD COME IN THROUGH THE FRIENDS GROUP.

IT COULD BE A ONE OFF, IT COULD BE THE GIVE RESPONSIBLY CAMPAIGN.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD FUNDS COMING INTO THAT ACCOUNT FOR THAT VERY REASON BEFORE WE HAD A FRIENDS GROUP OR A GIVE RESPONSIBLY CAMPAIGN.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT PEOPLE HAVE DONATED FOR INCLEMENT WEATHER FROM THIS? YES. SO WE WOULD KNOW BY THE DATE OF DONATION THAT IT WAS LIKELY DRIVEN BY THEIR INTEREST IN INCLEMENT WEATHER SERVICES.

IF I PULLED BACK TO BEFORE THE GIVE RESPONSIBLY GROUP OR THE FRIENDS GROUP EXISTED, YOU COULD ANTICIPATE THAT.

I MEAN, I COULDN'T CONFIRM IT, BUT YES, I COULD PULL BACK TO ABOUT 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO AND SEE.

THEN WITH THE FRIENDS GROUP, IS THERE A MEMBERSHIP FEE? NO, IT'S COMPLETELY FREE.

IT'S JUST AGAIN, SOME PEOPLE REALLY WANT TO GIVE, AND DESPITE OUR BEST EFFORTS TO DIRECT THEM TO PROVIDERS WHO DO NEED THOSE DOLLARS, SOMETIMES THEY REALLY INSIST ON GIVING TO THE CFT FUND, AND ARE YOU AWARE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE GAVE THROUGH THE FRIENDS GROUP? AGAIN, WE CAN'T TRACK IT, SO IT'S PEOPLE GIVING AS THEY WOULD LIKE TO.

A LOT OF THEM ARE ANONYMOUS AND SO I CAN'T BREAK IT OUT THAT WAY.

OKAY, WELL IF YOU CAN'T SEPARATE THIS BY GIVE RESPONSIBLY.

NUMBER ONE, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A SEPARATE COUNT SO THAT WE CAN TRACK IF THIS IS ACTUALLY A USEFUL OPTION.

NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO, I WOULD LIKE TO GET A LIST OF THE DATE OF THE DONATION AND THE DONATION AMOUNT.

OKAY. FOR EVERY DONATION THAT WAS GIVEN.

THANK YOU.

COUNCILMEMBER WILLIS.

THANK YOU. WELL, I'M SURE YOU CAN GUESS WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY.

I JUST WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT THIS GIVE RESPONSIBLY CAMPAIGN.

I DON'T LIKE THE WAY IT DILUTES THE REAL INTENT OF THE SIGNAGE THAT WE'VE GOT ALL AROUND TOWN, AND THAT IS ABOUT STREET SOLICITATION AND PEOPLE GIVING AT THE STREET, WHICH TRAINS PEOPLE TO STAY AT THE STREET AND LITTER AT THE STREET, ETC., AND THAT'S WHAT I FEEL LIKE THE REAL MESSAGE SHOULD BE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CITY HAS TO BE THE ONE TO DIRECT THEM TO WHERE THEY GIVE.

WE JUST NEED TO COMMUNICATE THE DETRIMENT THAT THEY'RE GIVING, THOUGH I'M SURE IT'S WELL-INTENTIONED, ACTUALLY DOES TO THE CITY, TO THAT PERSON THAT THEY THINK THAT THEY'RE HELPING AND THAT I JUST FEEL LIKE HAVING THIS IS DILUTING, AND THEN I LOOK AT THAT TOTAL OF $10,000, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S DIRECTLY RELATED. BACK TO THAT CAMPAIGN.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE US CONTINUE TO STRENGTHEN THE MESSAGE ABOUT STREET CHARITY OR STREET GIVING DOES MORE HARM THAN GOOD.

SO I JUST COULD NOT LET THIS MOMENT PASS WITHOUT MAKING THAT POINT, AND TO THAT POINT, THAT IS, THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME WE SPEND IS TALKING ABOUT THE HARMFUL SIDE EFFECTS OF GIVING ON THE STREET.

SOME PEOPLE STILL ASK, OKAY, WELL, IF I CAN'T GIVE HERE, WHERE CAN I GIVE? AND SO YOU HAVE TO SAY, HERE ARE THE PLACES THAT YOU COULD GIVE, AND THEN SOMETIMES THEY STILL COME BACK AND SAY, NO, I WANT TO SPECIFICALLY GIVE IN THIS WAY TO THE CFT FUND, BUT THAT'S NEVER OUR GOAL.

THAT'S JUST I MEAN, THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF ONUS PUT ON THE CITY IF THEY WANT TO KNOW HOW THEY CAN HELP HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS OR THOSE WHO ARE AT THE STREET WHO ACTUALLY MAY NOT BE HOMELESS. I MEAN, THAT IS WHAT GOOGLE IS FOR.

CFTEXAS.ORG IS FOR I THINK THEY CAN EXPLORE THAT ON THEIR OWN.

I THINK WE NEED TO GET OUT OF THIS SPACE AND MAKE OUR MESSAGE ABOUT GIVING IT THE STREET DOES MORE HARM THAN GOOD.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO HELP AND DIRECT THEM, BUT I THINK THEY NEED TO HANDLE THAT ON THEIR OWN.

THANK YOU. SO I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, BUT I ACTUALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

I THINK THAT'S THE REAL INTENT IS MAKING SURE WE'RE BEING VERY CLEAR THAT STREET CHARITY, WELL INTENDED, IS NOT GOOD FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ON OUR STREETS.

THAT'S PREVENTING THEM FROM GOING INTO A SHELTER TO SEEK THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED, GOING INTO A SOUP KITCHEN WHERE THEY CAN GET THE RESOURCES THAT ARE OUT THERE.

IF WE CONTINUE THIS, THOUGH, WHAT I WILL ASK IS THAT WE HAVE A DROP DOWN BUTTON ON WHEN PEOPLE ARE GIVING SO THAT THEY CAN EARMARK EXACTLY WHERE THEY'RE GIVING AND HOW THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A CONTRIBUTION.

WHEN IT COMES TO EXPENSES HOW ARE WE HOW ARE WE ABLE TO EXPAND THE SIGNAGE THAT ARE AT INTERSECTIONS

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SO WE ACTUALLY REACHED CAPACITY IN TERMS OF GETTING ANOTHER A NUMBER OF REQUESTS FOR BATCHES, AND SO THOSE ARE CURRENTLY RUNNING THROUGH TRANSPORTATION RIGHT NOW.

WE GIVE THEM ALL THE SITES THAT ARE REQUESTED, AND THEY LET US KNOW WHICH SITES ARE VIABLE IN TERMS OF IF SOME HAVE REACHED MAXIMUM CAPACITY FOR SIGNS THEN IT WOULD BE UNSAFE TO PLACE ANY MORE OR IT WOULDN'T DO ANY GOOD, AND THEN THEY MIGHT SAY, HERE ARE SOME ALTERNATE SITES, AND THEN FROM THERE WE SAY OKAY, AND THEN HAVE THE SIGNS MANUFACTURED AND POSTED. SO THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, BUT IF THERE ARE OTHERS, PLEASE SEND THEM TO US, AND I WILL SAY IN TERMS OF OPTIONS WE DID LOOK AT WHEN WE REFRESHED THIS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO FOR THE CFT FUND, WE DID LOOK AT, COULD WE PUT DOWN LIKE A DROP DOWN FOR WHAT YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, DESIGNATE IT FOR, AND WE FOUND WE WERE LOOKING AT IT FROM MORE OF AN ITEM OR CAUSE PERSPECTIVE, AND YOU KNOW, WE FOUND THAT IT JUST GETS REALLY RESTRICTIVE.

YOU KNOW, WHAT IF SOMEBODY SAID, WELL, I WANT IT FOR SOCKS.

WELL, PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS WILLING TO DONATE SOCKS, SO YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO NEED THAT, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE HASN'T ACTUALLY BEEN A TIME YET WHERE WE HAVE NEEDED THIS BECAUSE WE BUDGETED CONSERVATIVELY, AND SO IF WE DID NEED IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE MOST LIKELY DURING INCLEMENT WEATHER IF PERHAPS A CHURCH PARTNER OR A NONPROFIT SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OUT OF X THING, THEN WE MIGHT HAVE TO DIP INTO THIS BUT WE'VE BEEN LUCKY THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD TO YET, BUT I WILL SEE IF WE CAN DO A DENOTE THAT'S LIKE I AM ATTACHED TO THIS CAUSE, AND HERE'S HOW I HEARD ABOUT IT. WELL, THEN PERHAPS WE CAN GIVE THE 4 OR 5 SUGGESTIONS AND THEN A TAP FOR OTHER TO STILL GIVE SOMEONE AN OPPORTUNITY IF THEY'RE REALLY COMMITTED TO THAT ONE.

CAUSE, YOU KNOW, PUT UP OUR 4 OR 5 AND THEN IF YOU CAN JUST SEND US THE CRITERIA FOR THOSE SIGNAGES TO GO UP, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

COUNCILMEMBER MENDELSOHN.

OKAY. SO SO SINCE IT WAS OPENED UP, I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU, I'M VERY OPPOSED TO THIS PROGRAM.

I MEAN, THE PRACTICALITY OF SOMEBODY BEING AT AN INTERSECTION WITH PANHANDLING GOING ON AND THEM SAYING, OH, LET ME GIVE IN MY CAR BECAUSE I ACTUALLY WANT THE PEOPLE TO GO AWAY AND I WANT THEM TO BE HELPED.

WELL, WE HAVEN'T EVEN SPENT A DOLLAR, NOT EVEN $1.

NOBODY'S BEEN HELPED BY GIVING RESPONSIBLY.

IT'S LITERALLY SITTING IN AN ACCOUNT, AND THE INTENTION OF THE USE IS FOR INCLEMENT WEATHER SHELTERING, WHICH ISN'T ACTUALLY GOING TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY BUDGETED THAT MONEY.

SO, I MEAN, THIS IS A FEEL GOOD PROGRAM THAT IS ACTUALLY NOT DOING ANYTHING, AND THE SIGNAGE REALLY NEEDS TO SAY, DO NOT GIVE TO PANHANDLERS.

IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

YOU WANT TO GIVE TO CHARITY.

I MEAN, NOT ONLY ARE THERE A MILLION PLACES, I HOPE ON YOUR WEBSITE AND OF COURSE HOUSING FORWARDS, IT HAS ALL THE AGENCIES THAT SERVE THE HOMELESS IN OUR CITY AND THEY CAN PICK WHAT SPEAKS TO THEM, BUT AS FAR AS TRACKING IT, THE POINT OF TRACKING IT IS TO SAY THIS IS USELESS, AND THE TRACKING THAT'S NEEDED ISN'T.

I WANT TO GIVE SOCKS.

IT'S I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT BECAUSE THE STREET.

I'M SORRY. GIVE RESPONSIBLY.

I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT BECAUSE I WANT TO HELP WITH INCLEMENT WEATHER, AND THE NEWS IS TALKING ABOUT THAT.

OR I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT BECAUSE OF THIS FRIEND'S PROGRAM.

IT'S REALLY THE ACCOUNTABILITY PIECE FOR US TO SAY, IS THIS EVEN NECESSARY? AND I THINK THAT THE ANSWER IS GOING TO SAY NO, AND, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE NONPROFITS, ESPECIALLY AS WE GET TO INCLEMENT WEATHER SHELTERING, THEY WILL BE MAKING THEIR PITCH, AND THEY NEED THAT FUNDING.

IT'S ESSENTIAL FOR THEM, AND AS MUCH AS YOU WANT TO SAY WE SHOULDN'T BE COMPETING, WELL GUESS WHAT? HOUSING FORWARD USED TO SAY WE WILL NEVER COMPETE AGAINST OUR NONPROFITS, AND I GET MORE FUNDRAISING EMAILS FROM THEM THAN MOST OF THE OTHERS.

SO THAT'S WHERE THIS IS HEADED.

I DON'T THINK WE BELONG IN THIS SPACE.

THIS IS NONPROFIT SPACE FOR FUNDRAISING.

LET THEM DO THAT JOB.

OURS IS TO ENFORCE WHAT WE CAN WITH NOT HAVING PANHANDLERS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I AGREE TO AN EXTENT.

YOU KNOW, I'M DEALING WITH MY ECOSYSTEM THERE IN D3 WHERE I HAVE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIKE MISS ZENA IS ON THE CORNER AND EVERYBODY'S DROPPING BY FEEDING HER FOOD AND GIVING HER FOOD AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

MEANWHILE, I HAVE LOOSE COYOTES WALKING DOWN THE STREET DURING THE DAY LIKE IT'S A HIGH SCHOOL HALLWAY.

SO I HAVE THESE TWO PIECES THAT ARE ABOUT TO COLLIDE.

SO AGAIN, FOR ME, I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO, TO STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS UNDERSTANDING THAT I'VE POSTED AND DONE ALL WE CAN, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THIS THIS PROGRAM.

I THINK THAT'S I THINK WE JUST NEED TO PAINT A BROADER PICTURE OR SOMETHING AS THE OVERALL IMPACT OF THIS AND HOW IT CREATES THAT.

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SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST THIS ECOSYSTEM THAT'S COLLIDING.

SO SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE.

I'M NOT SURE WHO WHO SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS CAMPAIGN, BUT I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE TO SEND A STRONGER MESSAGE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MESSAGE IS, BUT THANK YOU.

SO IF I MAY, THIS IS NOT THE TOTALITY OF THE GIVE RESPONSIBLY CAMPAIGN, WHICH IS A MASSIVE CAMPAIGN THAT HAS REACHED A LOT OF CLERGY WHO ARE VERY THANKFUL FOR IT AND HAS A LOT OF IMPACT OVER SEVERAL YEARS.

THIS IS JUST A MEMO IN RESPONSE TO A REQUEST FOR THE FINANCIAL DATA FROM A CFT ACCOUNT, WHICH WE CANNOT SPLIT OUT.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY LIKE IT IS NOT I WOULDN'T TAKE THIS AND ASSUME THE IMPACT OF A CAMPAIGN AND ALL THE DIFFERENT FACETS OF WHAT IT'S DOING FROM ONE MEMO ON A VERY SPECIFIC FACET.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARITY, I APPRECIATE THAT.

ANYONE ELSE ON ITEM K? ITEM L.

MENDELSOHN. THANK YOU.

SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF AGENDA ITEMS COMING UP, AND I'VE GOT TO ASK YOU.

SO WE'RE GIVING MONEY TO THE BRIDGE.

WE'RE GIVING MONEY TO AUSTIN STREET AND WE'RE GIVING MONEY TO CATHOLIC CHARITIES, BUT THERE'S NO DESCRIPTION OF WHAT PERFORMANCE MEASURES ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THESE FUNDS.

SO THAT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE IN THE AIS, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.

SOME OF THESE, THE FUNDING MECHANISM IS DESCRIBED BY THE FUNDING ITSELF, BUT WE CAN COME BACK, AND JUST AS AN ASIDE, WE CAN ADD THE PROGRAM METRICS FOR THESE.

YES. PLEASE DO, AND THEN OF COURSE, I ASKED EARLIER IF WE CAN ALSO ADD IN THE NUMBER OF DAYS FROM ENTRY TO SHELTER TO HOUSING PLACEMENT AND WHAT THE AVERAGE IS, AND OF COURSE, FOR EMERGENCY SHELTERS, YOU'RE GOING TO ALSO HAVE SOME OTHER CATEGORIES, RIGHT? CORRECT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S SORT OF DIFFERENT EXPECTATIONS I THINK, FOR THAT.

SO I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE I'M SETTING ANYBODY UP.

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THESE NUMBERS, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE TRACKING SOMETHING, AND OTHERWISE IT'S JUST A GIVEAWAY, WHICH IS THE WAY WE OFTEN DO THIS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE ON ITEM L? IF NOT, THE TIME IS 1:11 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.