[Landmark Commission Meeting on October 7, 2024 ]
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IT IS, UM, OCTOBER 7TH, AND I'M CALLING THE MEETING TO ORDER AT ONE.
UH, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM OF COMMISSIONERS HERE TODAY.
UH, WE NEED TO HAVE OUR STAFF, ELAINE, CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
WELL THEN LET'S DO CALL ROLL RIGHT NOW.
DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
DISTRICT TWO, COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS PRESENT 11 IN ATTENDANCE.
AND IT APPEARS THAT COMMISSIONER PELOSI AND COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON ARE KIND OF HERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT SHOWING UP YET.
PERHAPS THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ADMITTED PROPERLY.
AND WE'RE ALSO GETTING AN ECHO TOO ON CAMERA.
THEY WOULD, SO COMM UM, LIVINGSTON'S POLICY.
AND WHOEVER'S COMPUTER IS ON IN HERE, PLEASE TURN IT OFF BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA HEAR EVERYTHING TWICE.
MAYBE THEY'RE NOT TECHNICALLY BACK FROM LUNCH.
ALL RIGHT, WE WILL EVERYBODY HELP ME KEEP AN EYE FOR WHEN WE DO SEE COMMISSIONER SP.
COMMISSIONER BEI, COMMISSIONER BEI HAS JOINED US AND IS VISIBLE ON CAMERA.
WE ARE STILL AWAIT FOR COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON.
IN THE MEANTIME, ONE OF OUR FIRST ORDERS OF BUSINESS BECAUSE COMMISSIONER PELOSI WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE IN PERSON, IS THAT WE HAVE TO CHOOSE A VICE CHAIR FOR THE DAY.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF COMMISSIONER PREZI, PLEASE MAKE A MOTION.
I MOVE THAT WE HAVE COMMISSIONER PREZI BE OUR VICE CHAIR TODAY.
CONGRATULATIONS, COMMISSIONER PREE.
NOW, DO YOU HAVE SOME IMPORTANT WORK TO DO? I DO.
UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO PULL AN ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? IT'S SO MOVED.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, POLL, UH, C FOUR FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION TODAY.
WE ARE POLLING THAT ONE AND ADDING IT TO DISCUSSION.
AND NOW I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, REARRANGE THE AGENDA FOR THE DAY.
IT'S A LOT OF, WE HAVE A LOT OF CASES TODAY.
COURTESY REVIEW ONE, COURTESY REVIEW TWO.
DISCUSSION ITEM ONE, DISCUSSION ITEM THREE, DISCUSSION ITEM EIGHT, COURTESY REVIEW, THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE.
AND THEN DISCUSSION ITEMS 2, 4, 5, 6, AND SEVEN.
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AND HOPEFULLY I DIDN'T MISS ANY NUMBERS.UM, C FOUR, CR SIX, CR ONE, CR TWO.
AND THAT REFLECTS, UH, WHERE WE HAVE SPEAKERS SIGNED UP AND ARE TRYING TO PRIVILEGE THEM.
WELL, WE MOVED, UM, CONSENT ITEM FOUR TO DISCUSSION AND THAT MOTION.
AND NOW WE ARE DISCUSSING REORDERING.
YEAH, I MOTIONED AND ANDERSON'S SECOND.
DID, SO DID WE ACTUALLY VOTE ON IT? I DON'T THINK WE VOTED ON IT.
SO WHO IS THE SECOND ON OUR, UM, REARRANGING
UM, WHO WAS THE SECOND ON THE REARRANGING THE SCHEDULE? I THOUGHT IT WAS MR. CUMMINGS.
ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF REARRANGING THE SCHEDULE, PLEASE SAY AYE.
AYE, WITH CONTINUING ECHO AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, NO, WE THINK WE, WE THINK WE FIGURED IT OUT.
ALL RIGHT, LET US TURN IT OFF NOW.
ALL RIGHT, NOW CONSENT ITEMS. OKAY, SO LET'S SEE.
DID WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT NEEDS, DIDN'T WE HAVE A RECUSAL? YEAH.
RECUSAL FOR CONSENT ITEMS IS THAT THREE COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS WILL BE RECUSING HIMSELF ON CONSENT.
UH, WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL VOTE ON, UM, UH, CONSENT ITEMS ONE AND TWO BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
BEFORE WE DO THAT, IF THERE IS ANYONE WHO HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM, UH, UH, IF YOU WERE JUST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, WE APPARENTLY DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR.
IF YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU NEEDED TO ACTUALLY PRESENT TO US, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
OTHERWISE WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
OKAY? UH, YOU HAVE TO DO THE, THE COMPUTER RAISING YOUR HAND FIRST.
NO, WE STILL, OKAY, SO I CAN DO ACTUALLY ONE, TWO, AND THE REST.
JUST EDIT FOLLOWING EXCEPT THREE.
I'LL DO THREE FIRST AND THEN DO ALL THE REST.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, TAKE, UH, CONSENT ITEM THREE FIRST, UH, SINCE WE HAVE OUR RECUSAL FOR THAT.
AND COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS IS EXITING THE ROOM RAPIDLY.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE C3 BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE MOTION IS TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR C3.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
AND OPPOSED? ANY OPPOSED? YES, MS. MR. PREZI MADE THE MOTION.
MR. ROTHENBERGER SECONDED AND IT CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY ON C3.
WE CAN ASK MR. CUMMINGS TO COME BACK IN.
CAN WE GET MR. CUMMINS BACK IN ALL THE NUMBERS COMING? DO WE HAVE 15? WE HAD 15.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE, UH, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THEN FOUR THROUGH, UH, SORRY, FIVE THROUGH 15.
UH, MOTION FOR APPROVAL BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER FOR YOUR SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
A I APPEAR THIS LY SO IF YOU WERE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WERE, UH, NOT NUMBER FOUR
AND YOU CAN LEAVE IF YOU WANT THIS.
NOW FIRST CASE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR IS C FOUR CHRISTINE, WE'LL LET THE STAFF READ THAT IN AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A SPEAKER ON THIS.
CHRISTINA PRESS ON BEHALF OF STAFF CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 4 7 0 4 LOWELL STREET, JUNIORS HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 4 5 0 0 9 CP.
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A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO IN INSTALL LANDSCAPING IN FRONT YARD.RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL LANDSCAPING IN FRONT YARD BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH PLANS DATED TEN SEVEN TWENTY FOUR.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA 3.5 B, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL LANDSCAPING IN FRONT YARD BE APPROVED.
AS SHOWN THERE WAS A SPLIT DECISION.
THREE YESES, THREE NOS REASONS FOR OPPOSITION ARE NUMBER ONE, HISTORIC LANDSCAPES ARE PRIMARILY GRASS AND FOUNDATION PLANTING.
AND NUMBER TWO, SUCCULENTS NOT APPROPRIATE TO JUNIOR HEIGHTS.
I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT HE HAS REMOVED THE SUCCULENTS SINCE THAT REVIEW.
ALRIGHT, NOW WE HAVE A SPEAKER.
PLEASE BEGIN BY GIVING US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
AND YOU PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH TODAY? YES, SIR.
SIR, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US WHAT YOU NEED TO INFORM US ABOUT, ABOUT YOUR PROJECT LAST TIME HERE FOR, UH, I WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, EXCUSE ME, MADAM CHAIR.
SOMEONE WANTS TO, UM, ASK ME SOMETHING.
UM, IT SOUNDS AS THOUGH THE BRIEFING ROOM IS ON, AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE PICKING UP THE SPEAKER, BUT PERHAPS THE, UH, MICROPHONE AT THE PODIUM IS NOT OKAY.
STAFF WILL PLEASE CHECK, CHECK THE MICROPHONE AND MAKE SURE IT'S ON.
LAST TIME I WAS HERE, THE STONES WERE, UH, WHAT WERE IN THE WAY ALONG WITH THE SUCCULENTS, THE STONES HAD BEEN REMOVED AND THE SUCCULENTS CHANGED TO GROUND COVER.
I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS BLOCK, THERE ARE 14 HOUSES, SIX OF WHERE AND ALL ARE ON SLOPES.
THE, THE, UH, NORTH, THE WESTERN SLOPE, THEY'RE ABOUT FIVE FEET SLOPING TO THE SIDEWALK.
AND OUR SIDE, THE SIDE OF 7 0 4 IS ABOUT THREE FEET.
BUT THE, THE PROBLEM IS THAT WHEN THEY BUILT THESE HOUSES AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND I AM TOTALLY FOR THE HISTORIC, UH, DISTRICT, THE COMMISSION AND THE LANDMARK, BUT THERE WERE NO TREES.
AND NOW WE HAVE 33 BIG SHADE TREES.
AND THE GRASS ON THE SLOPES OF SEVERAL OF THESE HOUSES DOES NOT GROW.
SO WHEN IT RAINS, THE MUD SLIDES DOWN ON THE WALK AND IT'S GOTTA BE CLEANED OFF.
MY PROJECT I AM PROPOSING, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GROUND COVER AT THE FRONT BY THE WALK, IS THE SHADE OF THE TREES.
THAT IS THE, THAT IS THE LINE THAT I CUT OUT OF GRASS.
IT JUST STRUGGLES AND LOOKS PARABLE AND THE MUD JUST FALLS.
THE REST OF IT, THE GRASS IS KEPT WITH THEN GARDENS ON THE SIDE.
AND SO I REQUEST THAT WE PASS AND MOVE ON.
NOW DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? MR. ANDERSON, DOES THIS LANDSCAPE DESIGN APPROPRIATE TO 1920S? UM, JUNIOR HEIGHTS IN THE TWENTIES, THEY DIDN'T HAVE GARDENS.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE GRASS AS A PRO PRO, NO, THEY DIDN'T HAVE GRASS.
THERE WERE WEREN'T SPRINKLER SYSTEMS AND THE GRE TREES THAT WERE
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PLANTED IN THIS TIME WERE ALL ON THE CURB.AND NOW THEY'VE GROWN UP AND WE HAVE SEVERAL MORE HOUSES THAT HAVE SPOTTY GRASS THAT, UH, I WANT TO GET GROWING THE GROUND COVERS AND MAKE IT LUSH.
AND THE HISTORY IS ABOUT THE HOUSES, NOT THE GRASS.
AND THAT'S WHERE, UH, I THINK IT IS NECESSARY TO ADDRESS THE GRASS DOES NOT GROW IN THE SHADE OF THESE BIG TREES.
THERE ARE 31 BIG TREES I UNDERSTAND ON THIS BLOCK.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IN THE ABSENCE OF WHICH WE WOULD NEED A MOTION? I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, IN THE CASE OF CA 2 45 DASH ZERO NINE CP 7 0 4 LOWELL STREET CONDITIONED APPROVAL, A PORTION OF THIS DESIGN IS NOT APPROPRIATE, WILL NOT, WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT.
UM, THE CONDITIONS REMOVE THE LARGE KIDNEY SHAPED, UM, ISLAND AND AND REPLACE THAT WITH GRASS PERIOD.
WITH THE FINDING OF FACT, THE DESIGN IS TO BE CONTEMPORARY AND IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND FRONT YARDS IN THIS DISTRICT.
WERE PRIMARILY GRASS WITH FOUNDATION PLANTS.
I'M MAKING AN EXCEPTION BECAUSE I THINK THE DESIGN IS ALSO TOO LARGE.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THE, THE NEED FOR THE GROUND COVER AT THE FRONT.
SO I THINK BY REMOVING THAT LARGE KIDNEY SHAPE, YOU'LL HAVE LAWN WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER POSI.
NOW DO ANY CO COMMISSIONERS HAVE A COMMENT ON THIS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS MOTION? APPARENTLY NOT.
UNLESS SOMEONE HOME IS WAITING.
YOU WANT ME TO TAKE IT DOWN? NO, IT'S OKAY.
I'M SURE THEY WERE I TO GET MY ATTENTION.
ALL RIGHT, THEN I WILL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? NAY.
WAS ANYONE AT HOME OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? THEREFORE THE MOTION HAS CARRIED AND IT IS AN APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
WE WANT TO CLARIFY JUST SO THAT THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDING.
OKAY, SO THEY'VE APPROVED THE LANDSCAPE AS W WELL I'M GONNA USE THIS POINT WITH, WITHOUT THAT, I GOT THAT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS CLEAR.
YES, WE, WE ARE ALL NOW CLEAR THANKS TO YOUR POINTER,
SO WE'RE TO SEE WHAT PART WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE WILL NOT BE HAVING IN THIS LANDSCAPE.
GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR LANDSCAPE.
NEXT UP WE HAVE COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER.
WERE COMMISSIONER REEVES AND COMMISSIONER? YEAH.
I THOUGHT IT WAS COMMISSIONER RENE.
ALL RIGHT, NOW WE DO COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER SIX.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF COURTESY REVIEW ITEM SIX.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 7 0 6 MAIN STREET IN THE WEST END HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS C 2 45 0 0 1 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW TO CREATE A NEW SIGNED SUBDISTRICT IN THE WEST END HISTORIC SIGNED DISTRICT.
IT'S ON, IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE EAST ELEVATION OF THE LAWYERS' BUILDING STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT'S A COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED.
THAT THE REQUEST TO CREATE A NEW SIGNED SUBDISTRICT IN THE WEST END HISTORIC SIGN DISTRICT ON EAST ELEVATION OF LAWYERS BUILDING BE CONCEPTUALLY SUPPORTED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR SPECIAL SIGN DISTRICT
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ADVISORY COMMITTEE S-S-D-A-C REVIEW.PARDON ME? WE'RE DOING, UM, PAPERWORK HERE.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
WE ARE DOING CR SIX AND WE DO HAVE SPEAKERS.
AND ON YOUR SCREEN IS, OH, SOMEONE WAS SUPPOSED TO READ THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE.
SOMEONE FEEDBACK MADE THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE.
WHO VOLUNTEERS THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE? NO, IT'S, UH, IT'S REAGAN'S COMMISSIONER BERG.
WE DON'T HAVE FIRST NAMES, I FORGOT.
ONE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE FEEDBACK, COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY, WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS.
THE COMMITTEE CONSIDERS THE INSTALLATION OF A SUPER GRAPHIC APPROPRIATE BASED ON PRECEDENCE WITHIN THE WEST END HISTORIC DISTRICT.
NUMBER TWO, AN EXPRESSED CONCERN WAS THE ABILITY OF THE SU SUSPENDED GRAPHIC TO RESIST WIND DAMAGE AND NOT DAMAGE TO THE HISTORIC MATERIAL.
NUMBER THREE, THE ATTACHMENT SYSTEM WAS DISCUSSED.
THERE IS NO DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED SHOWING THE FLOOR STRUCTURE IN RELATION TO THE PROPOSED ATTACHMENT POINTS.
NUMBER FOUR, DISCUSSION ALSO INCLUDED, UH, CAN THE NUMBER OF ATTACHMENT POINTS BE REDUCED BASED ON SPECIFICATIONS PROVIDED, UH, IN ESTIMATED 72 ATTACHMENT POINTS AS THERE ARE 72 ATTACHMENT POINTS.
NUMBER FIVE, THE ATTACHMENT POINTS INVOLVE A 14 BY 14 PLATE WITH THREE QUARTER INCH ALL RED.
IT IS ACCEPTED PRACTICE TO ONLY DRILL NEW HOLES WITHIN THE MORTAR JOINTS OF HISTORIC MASONRY WALLS.
THE SIZE OF THE PLATE DOES NOT ALLOW FOR BOLTS TO BE PLACED ON THE CENTER LINE OF THE JOINTS.
AND THE SIZE OF THE BOLTS IS GREATER THAN THE WIDTH OF THE MORTAR JOINTS.
AND NOW WE'RE READY FOR SPEAKERS.
UH, VICTORIA INFORMED ME THAT THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO PUT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE OF THE, UH, HIGHWAY BEAUTIFICATION ACT.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE ON THIS SIDE.
SO IT WILL BE FACING AWAY FROM THE JFK MEMORIAL.
SO, UH, PLEASE BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL US THE TRUTH.
VICTORIA MORRIS WITH JACKSON WALKER, 2323 ROSS AVENUE, SUITE 600.
AND, UH, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO DISCUSS YOUR PROJECT WITH US.
MAY I FOR, UH, HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO, TO PROJECT MY PRESENTATION ON WEBEX? HOPEFULLY, SINCE THE TECHNICAL PERSON IS NOT AT HER DESK.
OH, AND COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON HAS JOINED US.
IT IS SHOWING UP AS SHARED ON MY SCREEN, BUT I, I'M ASSUMING NOT.
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I AM JUST THE SCREEN.I'M JUST WAITING FOR YOUR INSTRUCTION.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS I CLICK STOP SHARE IT WILL.
HAVE YOU TRIED TO UNPLUG IT AND PLUG IT BACK IN, IN AGAIN WHEN THE PANDEMIC WAS HAPPENING? ANYWAY, WEST END HISTORIC SIGN DISTRICT.
VICTORIA MORRIS JACKSON WALKER JOINED TODAY WITH, UH, AARON WATKINS AND STEVE EDGINGTON WITH BIG OUTDOOR THE APPLICANT AND THE PROPOSED OPERATOR OF THE SUPER GRAPHIC SIGN.
DURING THE BRIEFING, IT WAS ASKED HOW MANY, UM, SUPERGRAPHICS ARE IN THE WEST END HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THERE ARE THREE CURRENTLY, SO THIS WOULD BE THE FOURTH.
EACH OF THESE ARE PERMITTED VIA A SUBDISTRICT SIMILAR TO THIS APPLICATION, THE PURSE BUILDING, ANTIOCH CHURCH AND MKT.
THE LATEST WAS THE MKT SUBDISTRICT, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY COUNSEL ON AUGUST 14TH, 2024.
HERE IS JUST AN AERIAL OF THE BUILDING AND THE YELLOW LINE ON THE, UH, RIGHT HAND SIDE.
THE EAST FACADE IS THE PROPOSED FACADE FOR THIS SUPER GRAPHIC SIGN.
AGAIN, DURING BRIEFING IT WAS BROUGHT UP WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM THE JOHN F. KENNEDY MEMORIAL PLAZA FROM THE, UH, DALLAS COUNTY COURTHOUSE AND, UH, THE DALLAS COUNTY TAX OFFICE.
AGAIN, JUST SHOWING THAT THIS WILL BE FACING, UH, THE EAST.
UH, AND THAT IS PARTIALLY DUE TO THE HIGHWAY BEAUTIFICATION ACT.
IT IS NOT ABLE TO BE VISIBLE FROM, UH, COMMERCE STREET AND JUST ZOOMED OUT FURTHER FOR FURTHER ORIENTATION PURPOSES.
SO THE PROPOSED LAWYERS BUILDING SUBDISTRICT IS TO ALLOW A SUPER GRAPHIC SIGN AT 7 0 6 MAIN STREET.
THE LAWYERS BUILDING SAME CONDITIONS AS THE RECENTLY APPROVED MKT SUBDISTRICT, THOUGH WE WERE WORKING WITH STAFF AND THEY ASKED IF WE WOULD, UM, REDUCE THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT SIGN.
UM, JUST TO ALLOW FOR A BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE SIGNS THAT ARE PERMITTED THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT, UM, WITH THE MINIMUM SIZE OF 1,200 SQUARE FEET AND A MAXIMUM SIZE OF 6,500 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THE PROPOSED SIGN THAT WE ARE CONTEMPLATING TODAY IS ABOUT 2,500 SQUARE FEET.
AGAIN, JUST PERSPECTIVE TO SEE WHERE IT WOULD BE AFFIXED TO A CLOSEUP VERSION OF THAT ELEVATION.
AND SOME INFORMATION REGARDING THE FASTENING DETAILS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED WITH THIS REQUEST.
DURING THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE MEETING, WE RECEIVED SOME FEEDBACK REGARDING, UH, THE SIZE OF THE ANCHORS AND THE SIZE OF THE THREADED RODS.
OUR ARCHITECT, OR EXCUSE ME, OUR ENGINEERS WITH US TODAY.
AND WERE PREPARED TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS THAT WE RECEIVED.
UM, AND WITH THAT, I'LL YIELD MY TIME TO STEVE, UM, OR ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE.
SO THANK YOU AND UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW, BUT WOULD APPRECIATE, UH, SUPPORT.
OKAY, SO MR. EDINGTON WILL BE NEXT.
AND I FORGOT THIS IS THE COURTESY REVIEW.
YOU DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
YOU COULD LIE IF YOU WANTED, BUT DON'T, BECAUSE THAT WOULDN'T BE HELPFUL,
BUT WE STILL NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, SIR.
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UH, EVEN THE ATTORNEY.CONGRATULATIONS ON REMEMBERING THAT YOU LEFT A LITTLE LIKE A DEER IN THE HEADLIGHTS THERE.
WELL, ALL RIGHT, SIR, WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE ENGINEERING ASPECT OF THIS? UM, SO GOING BACK TO THE IONS, UM, SPECIFICALLY THE MEMBER OF THE
THE LOOK AT IT FURTHER THAN THAT, THE REASON IT IS DIVIDED THE WAY IT IS
THEY VARY THROUGHOUT ABOUT 58 OF THEM ELEVATION.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PUSH THE TRAFFIC OUT AND GO HO GO OUT BEYOND.
SO IF YOU DON'T TEAR THOSE UP THROUGH, UH,
I BELIEVE THE MICROPHONE MAY BE OFF.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT? YES, MADAM CHAIR.
NOW THE MICROPHONE IS ON, ON TRY IT.
UM, ARE YOU ME TO REPEAT THAT LAST PART? YEAH, YOU BETTER 'CAUSE THEY COULDN'T HEAR YOU AT HOME.
CAN YOU HEAR NOW? COMMISSIONER PEL WHEN HE SPEAKS.
SO THE REASON FOR PUSHING THE GRAPHIC OFF THE FACE OF THE BUILDING, UH, WAS TO AVOID THE BRICK LEDGES THAT YOU SEE, UH, CURRENTLY SHOWN ON THE, UH, UH, SHARED FEED.
THOSE EXTEND OUT ROUGHLY SIX INCHES FROM THE FACE OF THE BUILDING.
AND SO COME UP WITH A DESIGN THAT ALLOWS US TO GO OFF ABOUT 10 INCHES OFF THE FACE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF A LEEWAY FOR POSITIVE WIND PRESSURE BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BLOW IN TO THE, TO THE GRAPHIC AND TRY TO PUSH OR TOUCH, UH, THOSE BRICKS.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE OFFSET.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, IT WOULD ALSO TEAR UP THE BRICK.
IT WOULD TEAR UP THE, THE GRAPHIC AND WANT THAT.
UM, SO THE REASONING FOR THE, THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE DESIGN.
AND THEN THE NUMBER OF FASTENERS IS JUST KIND OF WHAT WAS, UM, REQUIRED FROM A NEGATIVE WIND LOAD PERSPECTIVE.
UH, TRYING TO NOT OVERLOAD ANY SINGULAR POINT ON THE BUILDING OR CREATE A HIGHLY CONCENTRATED LOAD AT ANY POINT.
YOU'RE TRYING TO SPREAD IT OUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
UM, AND THEN ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? GO TO THE NEXT TOPIC.
WE USUALLY, WELL THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW, THEY DO IT DIFFERENTLY.
UM, BUT WE USUALLY HEAR FROM EVERYBODY WHO'S GOING TO SPEAK IS, IS MS. WATKINS ALSO.
I WAS GONNA GO THROUGH THE, THERE WAS A COUPLE OTHER TOPICS ON THERE REAL QUICK.
OH YEAH, GO AHEAD AND DO THAT, AND THEN WE WILL GET BACK TO YOU.
BECAUSE WE'D LIKE TO HEAR HOW YOU COVER ALL OF THEM.
THEY'RE ALL SORT OF CONNECTED ANYWAY.
UM, THE, UH, THE OTHER, THE, THE NEXT ONE, I GUESS THE LAST POINT ON HERE REGARDING THE PLATE SIZE, UH, BEING 14 BY 14, THAT WE JUST NEED TO FIELD VERIFY, UH, BEFORE WE GO OUT THERE TO FORMALLY INSTALL.
AND WE'LL DO THAT AND PERFORM A SURVEY.
THAT'LL ALSO GIVE US THE INFORMATION NEEDED TO, UH, CONFIRM WE'RE AVOIDING THE FLOORS, UM, AT EACH LEVEL, THE, UH, THE ALL THREAD SIZE BEING THREE QUARTER, WE CAN EASILY REDUCE THAT.
WE CAN TAKE THAT DOWN TO THREE EIGHTHS TO FIT WITHIN THE MORTAR JOINT AND, UH, MOVE THE HOLE LOCATIONS.
AGAIN, THAT'LL BE FIELD VERIFIED WHEN WE GO OUT THERE TO, TO DRILL.
UH, WE CAN, WE CAN DRILL THE PLATES IN THE FIELD.
AND, UH, JUST TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE HITTING ONLY MOTOR JOINTS AND NO BRIDGE SPACE.
UM, BEYOND THAT, THE, OH, THE, THE LAST POINT, YES, SORRY, WAS NUMBER THREE, WHICH WAS, UM, THE FLOORS, WHICH WILL SHOW IN A, IN A SURVEY ON THE FINAL DESIGN THAT WE GET SUBMITTED TO BUILDING AND SAFETY.
BUT IF WE NEED TO DO THAT AHEAD OF TIME, WE CAN ALSO THAT.
AND, UM, AT THE DESIGNATION FITTING, I'M NOT SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS EXACT WALL, IT SEEMS TO HAVE A SKIM COAT OF SOMETHING COVERING ALL THE BRICKS.
SO COMMISSIONERS AND OR APPLICANTS, PLEASE DISCUSS WHETHER I'D BE ABLE TO SEE WHERE THE PORCH, SORRY.
THAT'S, I WAS GONNA, THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION.
MY FIRST QUESTION WAS GONNA BE, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET IT? NO, YOU'RE GONNA GET IT INTO THE MORTAR JOINTS WITH THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
WE WILL HAVE TO, IN CERTAIN AREAS.
I MEAN, WE'RE HOPING OBVIOUSLY TO, TO LOCATE THESE AS, UM, IN, IN THE BRICK SPACES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WHEN WE GO TO RELAY THESE OUT, UH, 'CAUSE AGAIN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING DOWN TO 64 VOLTS, WE WOULD BE REMOVING TWO PLATES THAT WOULD BE OFF THE BOTTOM AND THE TOP ROW.
UM, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME.
UH, AND ALSO TO ENSURE ONCE YOU START GETTING INTO IT, THE PLASTER STARTS CRACKING.
WHAT'S STUCK TO THE PLASTER, HOW IS THAT GONNA DELAMINATE THE BRICK BEHIND IT? MAKING SURE YOU GO DELICATE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO GET IN THERE ONCE TO GET IN THERE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITHOUT THE LAMINATING THINGS AND JUST START MAKING IT WORSE.
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GOT A, AN EXPERIENCED INSTALLER AND, UM, APOLOGIZE.I, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE INVITED HIM HERE TODAY.
UH, HE'S DONE PLENTY OF THESE, UM, THROUGHOUT, UH, DFW AREA, UH, INTO MASON RESTRUCTURE SIMILAR TO THIS ONE.
IN THIS CASE, WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT THERE ARE ABOUT FOUR, UH, BRICKS THICK IN ALL THE AREAS THAT WE'RE GONNA DRILL THROUGH.
THE, YOU CAN SEE KIND OF RIGHT HERE IN THIS VIEW, THE FIRST FLOOR, ALL OF 'EM ARE, THE BRICK BACKS ARE FIVE DEEP.
AND THEN AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY UP THERE, ROUGHLY FOUR.
UM, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT AGAIN AS WE, AS WE BEGIN THE EXHIBITION.
IT MIGHT EVEN BE A GOOD SUGGESTION WHEN THIS IS A CURSORY REVIEW.
TAKE PHOTOS, SEE HOW IT WORKED OUT, BRING IT IN, ABLE TO DO THAT FOR WHEN YOU'RE GETTING A REVIEW.
JUST, I KNOW IT VERY LIMITED YOU NEED TO, WE DON'T DAMAGE THE BUILDING, BUT WE COULD ALSO MAKE SURE YOU COULD PROVE HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT AND WHAT WORDS.
THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
AND WE WOULD DEFINITELY WANNA DO THAT BEFORE WE STARTED THE INSTALL.
UM, ON OUR, UH, ON OUR LIST OF, UH, ACTIVITIES, WHO, WHO ELSE IS THERE? 'CAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE I KNOW WHO THAT'S ALL.
CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THE HIGHWAY BEAUTIFICATION ACT AND WHY IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE ON THE OTHER SIDE? SURE.
UM, SO THE HIGHWAY BEAUTIFICATION ACT, UM, IMPACTS CERTAIN ROADWAYS THAT RECEIVE FEDERAL FUNDING.
AND IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT COMMERCE STREET RECEIVED SOME FORM OF FEDERAL, FEDERAL FUNDING, UH, EITHER FOR REPAIRS OR WHATNOT.
UM, UH, I CAN ALSO DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY BACK THERE IF SHE HAS ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK.
BUT, UM, SINCE COMMERCE IS ONE WAY, SINCE COMMERCE IS ONE WAY HEADED EAST, I BELIEVE, UM, THE SIGNS THAT ARE OVER A CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE CANNOT BE VISIBLE FROM THOSE ROADWAYS.
AND SO, UH, IF IT WERE ON THE WESTERN FACADE, IT, THE SIGN WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM COMMERCE STREET.
AND SINCE IT IS ON THE EAST FACADE, IT IS NOT VISIBLE TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC HEADED EAST, WHICH IS WHY IT'S PERMITTED ON THE EAST FACADE AND NOT THE WEST FACADE.
SO IF I'M RIGHT IN ASSUMING THESE SIGNS ARE UNSIGHTLY, THEY'RE NOT BEAUTIFUL.
I DON'T THE BEAUTIFICATION PART.
SO I GUESS I'M, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THESE SIGNS ARE NOT APPROPRIATE, BE SEEN FROM FREEWAYS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BEAUTIFUL.
NO, I, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL OR NOT.
WELL, IT'S A HIGHWAY BEAUTIFICATION ACT.
THE, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A NUANCED, UH, EXCEPTION TO THE, EXCUSE ME, I'M JUST GONNA ZOOM OUT A LITTLE FURTHER.
THE APPLICATION OF THE HIGHWAY BEAUTIFICATION ACT AGAIN.
WELL, NOW I HAVE BEEN TOLD, I DON'T HAVE TO SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, BUT THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAW.
AND IF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AGAIN, WOULD LIKE TO, UH, OPINE OR PROVIDE ANY FURTHER CLARIFICATION, I WELCOME THEIR INPUT.
BUT, UH, TRADITIONALLY THE HIGHWAY BEAUTIFICATION ACT WAS APPLIED, UH, TO MORE TRADITIONAL HIGHWAYS.
35, 360 6, UM, 75, 6 35, THESE TYPES OF HIGHWAYS.
BUT THERE WAS A BIT OF A LOOPHOLE OF OTHER ROADS THAT RECEIVED FEDERAL FUNDING THAT COULD, COULD POTENTIALLY FALL UNDER THE HIGHWAY BEAUTIFICATION ACT.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE HAS BEEN A STANCE THAT WE ARE TAKING THE MORE THE, THE CITY HAS TAKEN THE MORE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH ABOUT WHAT, WHICH HIGHWAYS ARE IMPACTED.
OBVIOUSLY COMMERCE IS NOT A TRADITIONAL HIGHWAY, BUT BECAUSE IT RECEIVED POTENTIAL FEDERAL FUNDING THAT WOULD BE ENCOMPASSED UNDER THE HIGHWAY BEAUTIFICATION ACT, UH, THE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH IS TO INCORPORATE THAT ROAD AS PART OF THE HIGHWAY.
SO ARE THESE LOOKED AT LIKE BILLBOARDS? HAVE BILLBOARDS BEEN LOOKED AT IN THE PAST? CORRECT.
BILLBOARDS IS PRIMARILY THE, THE SCOPE OF HIGHWAY BEAUTIFICATION ACT EFFORTS.
SO IF BILLBOARDS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ON FREEWAYS, 'CAUSE THEY'RE UNSIGHTLY, AND NOW WE HAVE THESE IN THE WEST END, WHICH ARE, I FEEL UNSIGHTLY, I MEAN, IT'S A BILLBOARD.
UM, I AM MAYBE IN THE MINORITY, BUT I LIKE OLD BUILDINGS THAT YOU CAN SEE THE WALL.
I KIND OF LIKE SEEING THAT OLD WALL.
I DON'T SEE HOW ADDING A BILLBOARD ON THIS BUILDING IS IN THE REALM OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AND UNDERSTOOD AND APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK.
I THINK THE, THE DIFFICULTY DOWN IN THE WEST END IT FOR THIS BUILDING AND FOR OTHERS LIKE
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IT IS BEING ABLE TO, UM, HAVE LA A LASTING FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THE BUILDING.AND SO BEING ABLE TO AFFIX A SUPER GRAPHIC SIGN LIKE THIS THAT IS MORE ARTISTIC THAN A TRADITIONAL BILLBOARD, UM, AND IS GOVERNED BY MORE STRINGENT PARAMETERS, UH, THIS ALLOWS THE BUILDING TO GENERATE SOME ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL BENEFIT WHERE A BUILDING LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, IS NOT NECESSARILY ABLE TO GENERATE SUCH, UM, FINANCIAL BENEFIT.
SO, WELL, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S FINANCIALLY NECESSARY FOR THE WEST END TO HAVE THESE BILLBOARDS ON THEM.
AND I, I WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY, THIS IS A SPECIAL COURTESY REVIEW.
WE DON'T EVER GET TO VOTE ON THIS PARTICULAR THING.
WE GET TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AS IT MOVES ITS WAY UP TO CITY COUNCIL, WHICH WILL INCLUDE OUR CONCERNS THAT IT, IT DOES ALTER THE, UM, HISTORIC CHARACTER OF A BUILDING TO HAVE A GIANT SIGN ON IT.
BUT WE ALSO DO KNOW THAT A, AN IMPOVERISHED BUILDING THAT HAS NO WAY TO EARN A LIVING MAY NOT BE MAINTAINED.
AND SO THESE MIGHT BE NECESSARY AND THAT BECAUSE THEY COST SO MUCH TO MAKE AND HANG, THEY USUALLY DO PUT A BIT MORE EFFORT INTO DESIGN.
YOU MAY STILL NOT LIKE THE SIGN, BUT IT'S USUALLY A CAREFULLY DESIGNED SIGN, JUST NOT TO MY PERSONAL TASTE USUALLY OR YOURS.
BUT THEY ARE A COMMON THING IN DOWNTOWNS AND THEY DO SEEM TO SERVE A FINANCIAL PURPOSE.
AND I'M SURE THEY KEEP THE ECONOMY GOING TOO.
SO SOME THINGS WE'RE NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY LOVE.
UH, YEAH, MY QUESTION WAS, UM, REGARDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING ITSELF, IS THIS A LOAD BEARING WALL THAT IT'S BEING APPLIED TO? OR IS IT, IS THE BRICK ACTUALLY A BASE BRICK INSTEAD? I'LL DEFER TO THE EXPERT.
IT IS LOAD BEARING, UH, THE WALL'S HERE.
THAT'S WHAT, SO FROM A DEAD LOAD PERSPECTIVE, UH, SELF WEIGHT, HOWEVER YOU WANNA KINDA CONSIDER THAT, IT IS, UH, MINIMAL.
WE'RE GOING WITH ALUMINUM AND THEN THIS IS A VINYL GRAPHIC, SO THE WEIGHT WE'RE ADDING TO THE, UH, THE WALLS THEMSELVES ARE VERY, VERY LIGHT, VERY MINIMAL.
I GATHERED THAT WHEN YOU WERE SHOWING THE SECTION BEING 18 INCHES AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, THREE AND A HALF OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THEN ONE OTHER THING I THINK JUST TO ADD TO, UH, I THINK THE PREVIOUS COMMENT ON TALKING ABOUT THE BEAUTIFICATION OF THE SIGN OR MAKING IT LOOK A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN SOME OF THESE OTHERS, UM, YOU GO BACK TO ME, ONE THING WE'VE DONE HERE IS CREATED A REVEAL.
SO, UM, YOU LOOK IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND DETAIL, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE I-BEAM THAT THE ALUMINUM I-BEAM, UM, THE EYE BOLTS ARE HIDDEN INSIDE OF THERE, AND SO WILL THE CABLES THAT HOLD THE GRAPHIC THEMSELVES.
AND SO PART OF THIS, UM, THIS DESIGN ACTUALLY ACTS AS A REVEAL OR A PERIMETER FRAME AROUND IT.
SO THIS ISN'T GONNA BE YOUR TRADITIONAL BILLBOARD WHERE YOU'RE JUST SEEING THIS EXPOSED STEEL AND LADDERS AND THESE DISTORTION BEAMS THAT ARE, THEY'RE NOT, AND WE'VE GOT HAND HANDRAILS ON 'EM.
THIS IS, UH, DESIGNED DIFFERENTLY.
COMING OFF THE FACE OF THE BUILDING ACTUALLY KIND OF HELPED US TO, UH, TO ALLOW US TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN PLACE AND CREATE, UH, A BETTER LOOKING STRUCTURE.
I'LL SAY, I HAVE A QUICK, I HAD JUST A QUESTION ON CONTENT.
WHAT CONTENT COME TO US, UH, WHAT THE ADVERTISEMENT WILL BE AND IF NOT US, WHO DOES IT GO TO FOR REVIEW? AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD GO TO US IF THIS ISN'T A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO IT'S, THAT ACTUALLY GOES THROUGH S-S-A-D-C, THE ASSIGNED.
THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO SUBMIT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO THE, WHAT I REFER TO AS THE SIGN OFFICIALS.
AND SO BASICALLY THEY WILL GO OVER, YOU DON'T REALLY GO OVER CONTENT PER SE, BUT THEY GO OVER LIKE WHITE SPACE TO GRAPHIC PROPORTIONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN A REVIEW OF SHOULD A BEER SIGN OR SOMETHING ELSE BE THERE? AND ANYTIME IT'S CHANGED, I ASSUME THEY, THEY DO ANOTHER REVIEW ON RIGHT.
WHATEVER THE NEW RULE WOULD BE.
THEY SUBMIT ANOTHER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
MR. PRE, HOW OFTEN DO THESE SIGNS CHANGE ON THE BILL? OR HOW OFTEN WILL THEY CHANGE? OH, HELLO.
I ALSO NEED YOU TO TELL US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UM, SO I WOULD THINK THAT THESE WOULD LIKELY RUN ON A SIMILAR SCHEDULE TO OUR SUPER GRAPHICS DOWNTOWN, WHICH I
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SO FOUR TO SIX MONTHS.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? BECAUSE WE ARE, AGAIN, ASSEMBLING A RECOMMENDATION TO PASS ON TO THOSE THAT WILL MAKE THE DECISION.
SO OUR PRIMARY CONCERNS ARE DON'T DAMAGE THE BRICK FOR THE, THE MANY WAYS WE HAVE DISCUSSED TODAY FOR AVOID DOING THAT AND, AND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WELL, WE'D REALLY RATHER SEE THE WALL OF THE BUILDING, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THE BUILDING HAS TO EARN A LIVING.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
THE, UM, REQUEST IS TO CREATE A NEW SIGN SUBDISTRICT.
SO IS DOES THAT MEAN THE SUBDISTRICT IS GONNA BE FOR THE WALL OF THIS INDIVIDUAL BUILDING? YES.
IF THAT IS EVERYTHING, THERE IS NO ACTION FOR US TO TAKE EXCEPT TO THANK OUR VISITORS AND ASK THEM TO PLEASE BE CAREFUL OF THE WALL
NEXT STEP WE HAVE COURTESY REVIEW ARE REMOVING THIS OTHER PERSON.
WE, WE, WE, WE HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER REARRANGEMENT OF OUR SCHEDULE BECAUSE THERE WAS A SPEAKER HERE FOR D FOUR WHO HAS TO LEAVE.
SO, UM, I MOVE THAT WE ALTER THE PREDETERMINED SCHEDULE THAT WE HAD BY MOVING D FOUR TO BE HEARD.
NOW, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER REEVES.
NOW, ITEM D FOUR IS SEVEN 15 NORTH MARLIS AVENUE IN THE LAKE CLIFF HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 4 5 DASH 0 0 1 MW.
AND I'M MARCUS WATSON PRESENTING.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN EIGHT UNIT, TWO AND A HALF STORY MULTIFAMILY MAIN STRUCTURE ON A BASEMENT GARAGE WITH ASSOCIATED PAVING AND LANDSCAPING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN EIGHT UNIT, TWO AND ONE HALF STORY MULTIFAMILY MAIN STRUCTURE ON A BASEMENT GARAGE WITH ASSOCIATED PAVING AND LANDSCAPING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 23 24 WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE FRONT YARD SETBACK BE VERIFIED AS BEING WITHIN 10 FEET OF THE AVERAGE SETBACK OF BUILDINGS ON THE BLOCK.
FACE THAT THE WINDOWS BE WOOD INSIDE AND OUT WITH EXPRESS BUTTONS AND WITH NO CLADDING, AND THAT THE DOORS BE WOOD AND THAT BOTH BE APPROVED BY STAFF PRIOR TO COMMENCEMENT COMMENCEMENT OF WORK.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA 3.3, 3.7, 3.8, 7.4, 8.1, 9.4, 9.5, 9.6, 9.7 AND 9.9.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN EIGHT UNIT TWO AND ONE HALF STORY MULTI-FAMILY MAIN STRUCTURE ON A BASEMENT GARAGE WITH ASSOCIATED PAVING AND LANDSCAPING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS.
CONSIDER THREE WINDOWS ON EACH SIDE OF THE LEVEL OF THE FRONT FACADE.
SIMPLIFY THE SUBMITTAL PACKAGE TO BE LESS CONFUSING.
INCLUDE A WIDE MILLION BETWEEN PAIRED WINDOWS.
SUBMIT ALL FINISHES AND COLORS, INCLUDING BRICK SAMPLES.
THAT SHOULD BE EARTHIER REDS AND SMALL MODULAR SIZE.
INCLUDE GUTTERS AND DOWNSPOUTS AT PART OF THE SUBMITTAL.
ADD CORNER BOARDS ON DORMERS, SUBMIT ROOF SAMPLE COLOR.
UH, SHOULD BE MEDIUM GRAY WINDOWS ON DORMER SHOULD MATCH THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
WE'LL NEED TO SUBMIT LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING AT SOME POINT.
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FEDERICO PENA.HI, MEMBERS OF, UH, COMMISSION IS YOUR MICROPHONE ON? HELLO? IT'S ON GO.
START BY TELLING US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU DO HAVE TO SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
UH, MY NAME IS FEDERICO CANTA.
I LIVE ON THREE 90 EAST OPEN WALL, APARTMENT 1 34, DALLAS, TEXAS 75 2 0 3.
AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO, UM, UH, ADD IN ANY INFORMATION WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
UM, BASICALLY I WANTED TO SHOW HIM, SHOW UP IN PERSON.
I AM THE LEAD DESIGNER ON THIS CONCEPT SITE PLAN AND, UH, BUILDING.
AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I CAN ADDRESS ANY KIND OF CONCERNS THAT THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE RE YOU KNOW, REGARDING THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, UH, ANY MATERIALS YOU MIGHT BE USING.
UH, AND I WILL WRITE EVERYTHING DOWN, MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, UH, ACCOMMODATE THAT.
AND WE DO HAVE MAYBE JUST A COUPLE OF REQUESTS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO RING TO YOU REGARDING THE, UH, MATERIALS THAT WE'LL BE USING.
UH, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER, IT'S, WE HAD QUESTIONS EARLIER, SO I EXPECT YOU TO POUR FORTH WITH QUESTIONS NOW, COMMISSIONER RENO.
UM, YES, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THE EXTERIOR, UH, FINISHES AND FORMS. UM, I WAS LOOKING AT THE RENDERING, UH, THE, THE FRONT RENDERING FROM MARCELLUS AND ON THE COINS.
UH, APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'VE ADDED BRICK COINS NOW, BUT THERE STILL SHOWS, UH, A WHITE PORTION IN BETWEEN THE COINS.
I WAS WONDERING WHAT THAT MATERIAL IS, OR IF IT WAS INTENDED THAT ALL OF IT WOULD BE BRICK.
CAN WE, UM, ON, LET'S SEE, IT'S ON 9 84 OF THE DOCKET.
YEAH, THE COLORED RENDERING BECAUSE, UH, SOMETIMES IN RENDER IT'S HARD TO KINDA PUT EVERYTHING, BUT IT SHOULD BE JUST BREAKING MORE ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE CORNERS.
WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER MATERIALS OKAY.
UH, THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THE CORNERS.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN THAT MAYBE, UH, THROUGH THE RENDER WE EMPHASIZE AND THICKENED THAT THAT MORTAR IN AN EFFORT TO SEPARATE AND DON'T BLEND IN THE CORNER PIECES.
BUT NO, EVERYTHING SHOULD BE BRICK AND MORTAR ONLY.
WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER MATERIALS GOING THROUGH THAT CORNER.
OKAY, SO MY SECOND QUESTION IS THAT, SO THE STYLE YOU'VE, UM, UH, ADOPTED IS, UH, IS A GEORGIAN REVIVAL.
AND SO TYPICALLY OF THAT STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE, THE DORMERS WERE EITHER, UM, A PEDIMENT OR RATHER A, A GABLE OR, UH, OR A VAULT IN WORDS CURVED ON THE TOP.
UH, BUT YOU'VE CHOSEN TO DO FLAT.
UM, WOULD YOU CONSIDER DOING A, A MORE SHAPED REP, EITHER A GABLE OR A, OR A VAULT? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES.
SO, UM, WE ARE ON THE ROOFTOP, IF YOU GO A LITTLE BIT HIGHER UP, I THINK IT'S THE PAGE ABOVE THAT.
WE ARE TRYING TO KIND OF CURVE THAT, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO REVEAL IT TOO MUCH SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANY ARCHES GOING THROUGH THE BUILDING.
UH, AND SO SOMEHOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SLOPE THAT WE CAN'T REALLY PUSH IT TOWARDS THE BACK FLAT.
UH, THE IDEA ON THE ROOFTOP, IF YOU SEE THE ARROWS GOING TO THE SIDE, IS TO MAYBE HAVE A SLIDE CURVE, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO REVEAL IT.
WE'RE TRYING TO MATCH WHAT WE HAVE ON THE ENGINE SAYS, WHETHER ON THE MAIN ONE OR ON THE SIDE ONES.
BUT, UM, MY, MY THOUGHT ON IT WAS TRYING TO KEEP A MORE HORIZONTAL THROUGH THE WINDOWS AND THROUGH THE ENTRANCES.
IF I ADD ARCHES OR HIPS, THEN I FEEL LIKE I WOULD HAVE TO REFLECT THAT, WHETHER ON THE ENTRANCES OR SOMEHOW ON SOME OF THE WINDOWS AS WELL.
SOMETIMES THAT'S WHY I TRY TO MIMIC THAT, UH, RIGHT HORIZONTAL DESIGN ASPECT TO IT.
BUT WE, WE HAVE TO SLOPE THAT.
AND THE IDEA WAS TO KIND OF GIVE IT A SMALL CURVE RIGHT.
ON THAT, BUT NOT TOO REVEALING.
LIKE I WAS MENTIONING BEFORE, I APPRECIATE ALL THE OTHER DETAILS, THE COINS, THE DENTALS ON THE, ON THE SOFFIT, BUT, UH, I DID FEEL LIKE THE DORMERS WERE, WERE OUT OF PLACE, JUST BEING FLAT AND WE CAN CHANGE.
I MEAN, IF THAT'S ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN INCORPORATE, THEN TRYING TO GIVE THOSE DORMERS A LITTLE BIT MORE STYLE IN A WAY, UH, IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT CAN BE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT WILLING TO CHANGE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
WE CAN DEFINITELY INCORPORATE, UH, SOME DIFFERENT DESIGN TO THE DORMERS GROUPS.
I, ANYBODY ELSE, ANYBODY AT HOME? I HAD ONE QUESTION.
YOU HAD A, UH, GARAGE VENT VENTILATION IN THE PRIOR REVISION AND, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS TAKEN OUT.
ARE YOU PLANNING TO VENTILATE THE GARAGE IN IN SOME OTHER WAY? SO GARAGES WILL HAVE TO BE VENTILATED.
WE'LL HAVE TO PUT AN EXHAUST PORTION OF IT BECAUSE WE, THE WINDOWS BEFORE WEREN'T GONNA BE, UH, FOR VENTILATION OF THE GARAGE, THAT WAS ACTUALLY GONNA BE JUST, UH, FLAT, UM, GLASS.
IT WAS GOING INSIDE OF THE, THE UNITS THEMSELVES.
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BUT YEAH, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN AS FAR AS HOW TO VENTILATE, BUT DEFINITELY IT'S A, IT'S A UNDERGROUND GARAGE, SO BY CODE WE HAVE TO, UH, EX EXHAUST HERE OUTTA THAT OUT THERE.SO WILL THAT BE ATTACHED TO THE WALL OR THE LANDSCAPE SOMEWHERE? A LOT OF THE TIMES, UH, THE ACTUAL EX EXHAUST COME THROUGH THE MAIN DRIVE THAT IS THERE, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE IT THROUGH THE FLOOR JOS OUT INTO THE SIDE OR TO THE BACK, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE TO THE FRONT.
I'M NOT AN EP I'LL HAVE TO COORDINATE THAT, BUT THAT THERE WILL BE A DETAIL OF THAT FROM THE MEP ONCE WE GO INTO CONSTRUCTION.
BUT MORE THAN LIKELY, MOST OF THE EXHAUST STUFF COMES THROUGH
AND THEN EVEN THE FACT THAT WE DO HAVE THE THREE STORIES IN THE BACK, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE PUSHING EVERYTHING TOWARDS THE BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT AIR COMES OUT OF THERE.
WHAT PIECE CAN I FIND THE WINDOW DETAILS ON? ARE THERE, ARE THERE WINDOW DETAILS PROVIDED? NO, WE'RE JUST, WE HAVE A WINDOW SCHEDULE WHERE WE'RE CALLING OUT THE MATERIALS.
WE HAVEN'T YET PICKED A WINDOW MANUFACTURER, BUT I BELIEVE WE DID HAVE OH, WE DID ACTUALLY.
YEAH, WE, THIS IS, THIS IS ALL THAT I HAD AND I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT IT'S, IT CALLS FOR ALUMINUM CLAD AND, AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS NO CLADDING, BUT OTHERWISE, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
SO, SO ON THE WINDOW THAT'S CORRECT.
THIS CAME FROM, UH, THE, SORRY, UH, HE FOUND A WINDOW WHICH SHOWS WOOD ON, ON THE EXTERIOR, BUT THE ACTUAL STRUCTURAL PORTION OF IT IS, UH, ALUMINUM INSIDE.
UH, AND WE WANTED TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE, WHO MAKES THIS WINDOW? I BELIEVE IT'S A MANUFACTURER IN CHINA.
I'VE NEVER, I'VE NEVER SEEN SOMETHING NEW.
THE DETAILS SHOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, REFLECT THAT PORTION OF IT WHERE IT SHOWS WOOD ON THE EXTERIOR PORTION OF IT, AND THEN THE STRUCTURING SIZE.
YEAH, IT'S GONNA, THAT'S SOMETHING NEW ON THIS.
UH, I'D BE INTERESTED IN THE, YEAH, REALLY INTERESTED IN THE SPEC.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THE SPEC, THE, THE, THE, THE PROFILE, WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE ANY KIND OF PROFILE ON THE BOTTOM, UH, RAIL, UH, THE WINDOW LIGHTS, APPLICATOR, IS IT TRUE DIVIDED LIGHT? IS IT APPLICATE? IS IT, WHAT ARE THE APPLICATIONS ON THAT ON THAT, IF IT'S NOT TRUE DIVIDED LIGHT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD GET PAST ANYWAY.
UM, AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD TOO, JUST BY LOOKING AT THE ELEVATION AND THE DORMER LIGHTS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE, THEY'RE ELONGATED THIS WAY, IT LOOKED LIKE FROM YOUR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT, UH, THEY'RE NOT MATCHING THE DIVIDED LIGHTS, AT LEAST ON THE ELEVATION.
IT MIGHT HAVE JUST BEEN THE WAY IT WAS DRAWN.
THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE WINDOW SCHEDULE AND WINDOW DETAILS.
SEE THE WINDOW LIGHTS, HOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEY'RE HORIZONTAL BASICALLY INSTEAD OF, THAT CAME UP IN TASK FORCE AS WELL.
WELL, WHAT WAS THE ANSWER THAT IT, THAT IT SHOULD BE, UH, SHOULD REFLECT THE SAME AS THE, THE WINDOWS BELOW.
AND IF THE, IF WE'RE GOING OFF ON LIKE WHETHER OR NOT THESE ARE APPROVED, BASICALLY LIKE IF IT'S A WOOD WINDOW AND IT'S APPROVED, THEN IT'S THIS, THESE WON'T COME BACK TO US.
THEY'LL GO JUST TO YOU ON STAFF.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT RECOMMENDATION.
THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION AS OF RIGHT NOW, IS THAT AT LEAST STAFF WOULD HAVE A, A FINAL LOOK AT IT.
BUT THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE WOOD WINDOWS, NO CLADDING.
UM, BUT WE, SO WE, BUT I, BUT YOU COULD ALWAYS CHANGE THAT CONDITION TO BE THAT YOU WANT TO SEE IT AGAIN.
THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE UNDERSTOOD THAT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE ENOUGH HERE TO ACTUALLY GIVE IT A CARTE BLANCHE APPROVAL ON CERTAIN THINGS THAT IT MIGHT NEED TO COME BACK TO US TO SEE IT AGAIN.
SO, UM, IF I, MY DOOR, UH, SORRY, I FORGOT WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
LEMME GATHER MY THOUGHTS HERE FOR A SEC.
ONTO THE NEXT ONE, WHOEVER, IT'S COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
UH, I AM HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE WINDOWS.
AM I RIGHT THAT YOU SAID THERE'S ALUMINUM IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN WOOD ON THE OUTSIDE? IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, IT'S ON THE FRAME PORTION OF IT AND THE MECHANICAL PORTION OF IT, BUT THE EXTERIOR FRAMES WOOD AND SO ARE THE LIGHTS.
SO IS THERE WOOD ON TOP OF THE ALUMINUM? YES.
SO HOW THICK IS THE WOOD PART ABOUT? I ACTUALLY HAVEN'T QUITE GOTTEN THAT, THAT PART INTO SPEC TO SEE WHAT IT, WHAT IT WAS.
I MEAN, IS IT LIKE, IS IT, I GUESS I NEED TO KNOW.
WE NEED TO KNOW, I MEAN, IF IT'S JUST A VENEER OR IF IT'S A 'CAUSE IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE STRUCTURE'S GONNA BE METAL WITH A WOOD APPLIED, WE THINK WE NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH WOOD THERE IS.
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I, I HAVE TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT ASPECT THAT WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT TO, TO REALLY SEE WHAT, WHAT THAT IS.BUT I CAN BRING IT BACK TO YOU IN REGARDS TO THAT.
I HAD ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THE, UM, AND THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE, THE LANDSCAPE, UH, RETAINING WALL, UH, AT THE STAIR ON THE FRONT.
UM, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT'S ALL PART OF THE SAME PART OF THE, UH, APPLICATION, UM, GENERALLY THAT THAT CHEEK WALL OR THE, UM, THE PART THAT, THAT FOLLOWS THE, THE STAIRS THAT'S GOING UP HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A, A CURVE TO IT.
I THINK YOU WERE JUST RUNNING A STRAIGHT LINE FROM, FROM THE TOP OF THE WALL TO THE TOP OF THE STAIR.
UM, AND I THINK SOME OF THE OTHER, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIFICALLY, BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WATERFALL TYPES OF STAIRS, THOSE CHEEK WELLS GENERALLY HAVE A, A GENTLE CURVE TO 'EM AND, UH, UH, APPRECIATE IF YOU COULD ADD THAT TO THE, TO THE DESIGN.
YEAH, THERE'S UH, SOME ORIGINAL WALL S UPSTAIRS ON THE PROPERTY.
SO IT CREATES KIND OF LIKE A EIGHT INCH KINDA CURVE THROUGH THE SLOPE.
IT CAN, IT'S A BIT OF AN OT, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, WE CAN PUT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MATCH EVERYTHING THAT IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND STUFF.
UM, IT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, UH, VERY FOCUSED I GUESS ON THE BUILDING AND THAT'S THE BIG PORTION OF IT, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY ACCOMMODATE A DELAY THAT.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK REGARDING THE WINDOWS AND THE, UH, HOW THE SEPARATION IS, IT MAKES THAT WINDOW LOOK HORIZONTAL BECAUSE THE WAY THAT WE'RE BREAKING THAT LIGHT, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP A CERTAIN HIERARCHY GOING FROM THE FIRST FLOOR INTO THE SECOND FLOOR INTO THE DORMERS.
ALSO THE DORMERS ARE, THEY START OFF WITH A SLOPE ROOF AND THEN THEY GO INTO NINE AND WE HAVE TO KEEP A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM THE FRONT UP AND A CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THAT WINDOW OPENING.
BUT I THINK IF WE CAN JUST KEEP THE SAME SIZE OF WINDOW BY BREAKING DOWN, MAYBE ADDING MORE OF THOSE LIGHTS AND JUST MAKE IT LOOK MORE VERTICAL, THAT COULD GIVE YOU A DIFFERENT, UH, LIKE FEEL THAT IS NOT LOOKING HORIZONTAL, BUT RATHER MORE VERTICAL.
I THINK WHAT I WAS ADDRESSING WAS MAINLY ACTUALLY THE DIVIDED LIGHT, NOT THE WINDOW ITSELF, BUT THE DIVIDE.
WHAT WAS DISCUSSED IN TASK FORCE MEETING IS IF THOSE, UH, DORMER WINDOWS JUST WERE SIX OVER SIX, LIKE THE SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS, THAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE SIX OVER SIX INSTEAD OF FOUR OVER FOUR.
AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S AN ARCHITECTURAL CHOICE WHEN IT COMES TO THE DESIGN.
RATHER THAN TRYING TO KEEP 6, 6, 6, IT TAKES AWAY FROM THE IMPORTANCE OF THE MAIN FLOOR AND WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS AT MOVING ALSO THAT THE FIRST FLOOR IS 10 FEET HIGH, NINE FEET HIGH, NINE FEET HIGH, AND THEN THE DORMERS ARE COMING
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP PART OF THAT HIERARCHY MOVING AS WE GO FROM FLOOR TO, UH, TO IS THAT, UM, PREFERENCE FOR A HIERARCHY BASED ON THE, UH, HISTORICAL STYLE AND HOW IT TENDED TO BE EXPRESSED.
SO THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE CAN BE BOTH VERY SYMMETRICAL WHERE EVERYTHING IS THE SAME AS YOU GO VERTICALLY OR AS YOU GO HORIZONTALLY.
OR YOU CAN ACTUALLY, UH, PUT EMPHASIS ON THE HIERARCHIES ON THEIR FLOORS JUST BECAUSE LET'S JUST SAY IF YOU HAVE LIKE A 14 CEILING, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN NORMAL ALSO LIKE 12 FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN EVERYTHING ON THE FIRST FLOOR IS ALWAYS GONNA BE GROUNDED.
LIKE WHETHER IT'S A WINDOW, A DOOR AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND AS YOU MOVE UP THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND YOU GO INTO A 10 FOOT CEILING INTO AN ATTIC THAT IS PROBABLY SEVEN FEET OR SO, THEN YOU KEEP THE HIERARCHY MOVING AND THE PROPORTION MOVING SMALLER AS YOU MOVE UP.
UH, BUT IT ALL, IT ALL DEPENDS ON ALSO THE SPACES WITHIN THE BUILDING, NOT ONLY WHAT YOU SEE FROM OUTSIDE.
IN THIS CASE WE HAVE 10 FEET, NINE FEET AND THEN ADE.
SO WE DECIDED TO GO WITH THE STYLE, THE GEORGIAN STYLE WITH HIERARCHY RATHER THAN A MORE SYMMETRICAL VIEW.
I, I'M, I'M NOT SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, GEORGIAN REVIVAL TEND TO ALWAYS EXPRESS SUCH A, UM, A HIERARCHY BECAUSE IT WAS A RATHER SIMPLISTIC INTERPRETATION OF WHAT HAD ALREADY BEEN SPECIFICALLY A SIMPLISTIC VERSION OF THE POPULAR STYLES AT THE TIME.
SO, AND WHAT I WOULD MIGHT SUGGEST, IF THAT WAS THE CASE, UH, WHAT YOU HAVE IS CONFLICTING.
IT'S NOT ACTUALLY MAKING PART OF YOUR HIERARCHY STATEMENTS, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY CONFLICTING WITH THE BOTTOM.
AND I, I WOULD BE IN MORE, UH, IN KIND TO LOOK AT A ONE OVER JUST A SIMPLIFIED ONE OVER ONE ON DORMERS.
AND THAT WOULD GO THROUGH YOUR HIERARCHY KIND OF APPROACH.
AND ALSO THAT WOULD MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, AT EASE AND NOT CONFLICT AND FIGHT WITH THE, UH, BOTTOM FLOORS.
I, UH, I PUT A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES TOO.
SO ON THE BOTTOM, SO YOU GUYS SEE, WHAT WAS THE, UM, THE, THE DESIGN
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APPROACH, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MIMIC WHEN IT CAME TO THIS TELE ARCHITECTURE? 'CAUSE THERE ARE SOMETIMES THERE ARE STYLES THAT YOU CAN PICK, THINGS THAT YOU CAN PICK ON.A STYLE IS NOT EXTREMELY ONE WAY AND THERE ARE VARIATIONS THAT HAPPEN THROUGHOUT THE STYLE.
UH, AND SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FOLLOW IN REGARDS TO THE ARCHITECTURE.
A CHAIN THERE IS, YOU KNOW, GEORGIA IN ENGLAND, GEORGIA IN AMERICA, MATERIALS ARE DIFFERENT, PORTION ARE DIFFERENT.
BUT THE ONLY THING IS, I'M JUST GONNA BE SPECIFIC ABOUT THE ACTUAL DIVIDED LIGHT AND THE DORMERS CONFLICTING WITH THE DIVIDED LIGHT ON THE MAIN HOUSE WINDOWS, JUST BOTTOM LINE WITHOUT ANY TALKS ABOUT DESIGN OR HIERARCHY, IT CONFLICTS, UH, THE AESTHETICS OF IT.
CONFLICTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE DORMER IS, THE TWO WINDOWS AND THEN THE TWO WINDOWS BELOW IT, THAT PORTION IN THE MIDDLE, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DIVIDED LIGHT INSIDE THE WINDOW OF THE DORMER.
I SEE THE, THE CONFIGURATION OF THE LIGHT, EXCUSE ME, I'M ABOUT TO LOSE MY VOICE HEAD STRUCK ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO.
BUT ANYWAY, STOOD SUN TONE REGARDING THE, THE MORE VERTICAL ONE THAT IS, I MEAN MORE SQUAREISH THAT IS HAPPENING ON THE, OKAY.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK I WAS TRYING LIKE MAYBE WE CAN BREAK THAT DOWN INTO BEING A LITTLE BIT DENSER WHEN IT COMES TO THE LIGHTS ON THE SEC, ON THE ATTIC WINDOWS.
AND THAT WILL MAKE IT LOOK MORE SQUAREISH RATHER THAN HORIZONTAL, UH,
I NEED TO BE AT 36 INCHES FROM THE, FROM THE, UM, FLOOR.
AND THEN I NEED TO HAVE A CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE.
THAT'S WHY IT'S SUCH A LITTLE SPACE WHEN IT COMES FROM THE DORMER ON TOP OF THAT WINDOW.
UH, SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHEN WE ALSO DEAL WITH THE, THE CODE PORTION OF IT.
UH, I'M JUST, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CHANGING ANY OF THE ELEVATIONS OR ANYTHING.
I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR WINDOW.
JUST, JUST I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING.
YOUR WINDOW AND THE DIVIDED LIGHT THAT'S INSIDE THE WINDOW, YOU HAVE DOWN BELOW ON THE FLOORS YOU HAVE THESE, UH, SIX OVER SIX.
AND UP HERE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THESE TWO OF THESE FOUR OVER FOURS, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE HORIZONTAL, ELONGATED, DIVIDED LIGHT.
OH, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.
WE CAN KEEP YOUR WINDOW THE SAME MORE, BUT THE INSIDE SEPARATION OF THOSE DIVIDED LIGHTS ARE CONFLICTING UNDERSTAND WITH, WITH THE DOWN BELOW.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING A MORE SIMPLIFIED ONE OVER ONE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, EYE PLEASING AND NOT CONFLICTING.
COMMISSIONER LEADS, MY QUESTION IS, AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHO ACTUALLY ON THE COMMISSION BROUGHT IT UP, BUT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, EITHER SIDE OF THE STEPS GOING DOWN AND H THERE, THERE WAS AN EXAMPLE OF A FRONT YARD GOING DOWN THE SIDEWALK.
THAT'S ACTUALLY ON THIS PROPERTY.
WELL, AND, AND THE EXAMPLE THAT WE SAW, THE FRONT YARD WENT DOWN AND THIS IS, THIS IS A BUILT UP FRONT YARD WHERE I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD ACTUALLY WORK.
ALL I WAS PROPOSING WAS TO JUST GENTLY CURB THE TOP.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO RUN PARALLEL WITH THE STAIR.
I KNOW IT 'CAUSE THE WALL AT THE BOTTOM IS A LOT TALLER.
AND I THINK THE EXAMPLE, UH, MARCUS SHOWED WAS THERE MIGHT NOT EVEN EVEN BEEN ANY WALL AT THE FRONT.
SO, AND HERE IN THE RENDERING YOU CAN SEE A RETAINING WALL THERE.
AND I THINK WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY IS IF THEY CAN MORE MIMIC LIKE THAT SLOPE OF THE WATERFALL, JUST A SLIGHT CURVE TO IT.
UM, SO IN OTHER WORDS, INSTEAD OF CONNECTING POINT A TO POINT B WITH A STRAIGHT LINE, JUST A LITTLE GENTLE, THAT RETAINING WALL COULD COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
I HAVE RETAINING WALL IN MY FRONT YARD AND I, I CAN'T IMAGINE IT STARTING TO SLOW DOWN.
WELL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST THE TOP PORTION OF IT, RIGHT? WE'LL RETAIN THE WHOLE WALL AS IT IS, BUT THE TOP WALL SHOULD BRING A CURB TO IT.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS LIKE, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT MAYBE GOING UP ON A CURB, LIKE SIX INCHES, EIGHT INCHES KIND OF THING, AND THEN CREATE THAT CURVE AS IT GOES DOWN IN THE SLOPE UNTIL IT MEETS THE, THE WALL.
BUT THE WALL ITSELF WILL BE JUST A SIDE, OH, SORRY.
AS WE ARE SEEING, IT'S JUST INSTEAD OF BEING FLAT.
DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? LIKE JUST CURVE, LIKE THIS WHOLE PORTION OF THAT, THE VERY TOP, LIKE THE CUT.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? BECAUSE IF NOT, IT'S TIME FOR SOMEBODY TO COME UP WITH A MOTION.
I, WE DO HAVE JUST ONE REQUEST, IF THAT'S OKAY.
BEFORE WE, UH, WELL, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ONLY ANSWER QUESTIONS.
SO MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THIS REQUEST YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE, SIR? SORRY,
I, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS.
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ON THE FASCIA PORTION OF THE BUILDING IF WE WILL BE ALLOWED TO USE PLASTER AS THE WAY TO, UH, TO CREATE THE DESIGN FOR THE FASCIA PLASTER? YES.LIKE MOLDING, LIKE, OH, PLA MOLDING.
YEAH, IT'S JUST A VERY HARD AREA BECAUSE WOOD DETERIORATES EXTREMELY FAST WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.
IT'S ALSO WHERE THE PATTERNS ARE GONNA BE ATTACHED TO, AND SO IT'LL BE BENEFICIAL TO, IT COULD LAST A LOT LONGER THAN HAVING SOMEBODY TRYING TO CHANGE THAT AND MAKING THE DETAILS ON WOOD ON THAT IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.
AND SO IF WE CAN USE SOME KIND OF MOLDING, UH, FOR THE FASCIA PORTION OF IT.
AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE TRUE MATERIAL, UM, IF THE WINDOWS ARE APPROVED.
IF NOT, THE INVESTORS ALSO WOULD USE WOOD WINDOWS IF THAT'S A REQUIREMENT THAT WE CANNOT USE WHAT WE ARE PROVIDING.
UH, BUT IT, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO USE MOLDINGS, UH, FOR THAT SECTION.
SO NOW I'M BACK TO WHO HAS A MOTION WITH HIM? ONE MORE THING TO THINK ABOUT ON IT.
UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM FOUR, UH, ADDRESS 7 1 5 NORTH MARCELLUS AVENUE, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS CA 2 4 5 DASH 0 0 1 MW, THAT, UM, WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION, INCLUDING THE, UM, CONDITIONS OUTLINED THERE WITH THE ADDITIONAL, UH, CONDITION THAT THE CHEEK WALLS ON THE FRONT STAIR HAVE A, UM, A SLIGHT CURVE AND THAT THE DENTALS AT THE SOFFIT, UM, CAN BE AN ALTERNATE MATERIAL BESIDES WOOD SECOND.
UM, YEAH, WAS THERE NOTHING ABOUT THE, I THOUGHT THE WINDOWS WERE MENTIONED ALREADY IN THE, IN THE, IN THE STAFF.
LET ME, LET ME DOUBLE CHECK ONE SEC.
NOT THAT WE'RE ALL GANGING UP ON YOU OR ANYTHING, WE'RE JUST HELPING ONE EASY WAY MAYBE TO CHANGE.
UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT ASKS FOR STAFF APPROVAL OF, UH, OF WINDOW AND DOOR SPECS.
YOU COULD CHANGE THAT TO HAVE THEM COME BACK FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION APPROVAL.
I'M GONNA MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO MY OWN, UH, MOTION THAT THE, UH, INSTEAD OF STAFF, UH, UH, APPROVAL FOR THE WINDOW SUBMITTAL THAT IT COME BACK TO LANDMARK COMMISSION FOR REVIEW.
SO WHO IS THE SECOND IS COMMISSIONER RES? THE SECOND.
ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, THEN I CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, AYE.
ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? ALRIGHT, SO YOU UNDERSTAND, SIR, WHAT PARTS YOU CAN PROCEED WITH AND WHAT REQUIRE FURTHER REVIEW? YES.
THAT MEANS WE'RE GONNA COME BACK WITH MORE DETAILS IN REGARDING THE WINDOW AND
AND DON'T ORDER ANY FIRST, BECAUSE THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
AND YOU DON'T ONLY HAVE A PILE OF WINDOWS.
NO, WE ARE WAITING FOR APPROVAL BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING.
THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO SHOW THAT.
WELL, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
ALRIGHT, NOW WE GET BACK TO OUR ORIGINAL SCHEDULE, WHICH WOULD MAKE CR ONE OUR NEXT CASE.
OKAY, THIS IS HOW LONG WE'VE GOTTEN VIRTUAL
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF COURTESY REVIEW ITEM CR ONE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1600 COLISEUM DRIVE IN THE FAIR PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CR 2 4 5 DASH ZERO TWO RD.
THE REQUEST IS A IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW.
AND WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING IS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY 30,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING IN THE EAST PARKING SUBDISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SINCE THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED.
AND THE STATEMENT IS THAT A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT NEW TWO STORY 30,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING IN THE EAST PARKING SUB-DISTRICT BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW, TASK FORCE
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FEEDBACK, COURTESY REVIEW, COMMENTS ONLY, WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS, REVIEW ORDINANCE PRESERVATION CRITERIA AND ADDRESS AND DESIGN AND PRESENTATION, PARTICULARLY WITH REGARD TO THE MASONRY AND PLASTER FOR THE EAST PARKING SUB-DISTRICT.ALRIGHT, WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER REGISTERED FOR THIS.
ARE THEY ONLINE? WE NEED TO GET THEM WHERE WE CAN SEE THEM.
IT'S A COURTESY REVIEW WE'RE REVIEWING.
CHRIS WAS, CHRIS WAS ONLINE EARLIER, BUT I DON'T SEE HIM NOW.
OH, IS HE? NO, I'M, I'M ONLINE.
WE NEED TO ACTUALLY SEE YOU AND YEAH, I KNOW I'M ON SCREEN.
COMPUTERS ARE DIFFICULT, AREN'T THEY? UH, AND I, I'M NOT A FREQUENT WEBEX USER ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT, SO, UH, PLEASE BEAR WITH ME, EVERYONE.
I DON'T THINK THAT I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT TO YOUR CAMERA.
WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, STATE LAW SAYS THAT IN ORDER TO SPEAK WE HAVE TO SEE YOU.
THAT'S TO GUARANTEE THAT IT'S REALLY YOU NOT THAT I DON'T KNOW.
OR AT LEAST JOE CAN GET FEEDBACK EVEN IF HE DOESN'T.
YEAH, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
I, I APOLOGIZE AND I'LL BE THERE IN PERSON FOR THE THE ACTUAL REVIEW.
THE ATTORNEY SAID YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING, BUT WE CAN SAY STUFF TO YOU.
SO I OPEN IT TO THE COMMISSIONERS TO GIVE FEEDBACK TO OUR APPLICANT.
OH, COMMISSIONER A WHAT YOU WA INITIALLY THERE WAS SOME TALK OF EFIS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT MATERIAL, LIKE A REAL STUCCO OR CONCRETE.
YES, THAT'S, THAT IS ACCURATE.
HE CAN'T ACTUALLY TALK, YOU KNOW.
MAYBE FOR, MAYBE STAFF CAN HELP US WITH THIS.
CAN YOU SHOW US KIND OF HOW THIS LAYS OUT IN, IN THE REALM OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE? I THINK YOU HAD A PICTURE OF THAT EARLIER.
MY CONCERN IS THAT ADDING A BUILDING IN A PARKING LOT IS INTERESTING.
IS THIS, IS THERE GONNA BE A STREET THERE THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE? LIKE IF THEY WANNA BUILD MORE BUILDINGS ON THE BLOCK AROUND THE STREET? OR IS THIS BUILDING FLOATING IN A PARKING LOT? I MEAN, IS THERE A PLAN FOR FUTURE? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I KIND OF GET IT.
SEE IF YOU, RIGHT NOW WHERE THE RED BALLOON IS, THAT'S WHERE THE BUILDING'S GOING TO BE CITED AS COLOSSEUM BINS AND RUNS, WHAT IS IT? PARALLEL ALONG PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE HERE AND THEN THERE'LL BE MORE FRONTAGE OVER HERE.
BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE BUILDING HE'S PROPOSING WILL BE HERE WITH A SMALLER BUILDING ATTACHED TO IT, FACING THIS SIDE OF COLISEUM.
YOU HAD ANOTHER PICTURE EARLIER THAT SHOWED THIS BUILDING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE, UM, THE, THE, THE, UH, OBSERVATION TOWER AND OTHERS.
I, I'M JUST INTRIGUED THAT WE'RE ADDING A BUILDING IN A PARKING LOT.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S JUST STUCK IN A PARKING LOT THAT IN TIME IT
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WILL KIND OF MAYBE BE A NEW PART OF FAIR PARK, A NEW STREET OR SOMETHING.UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE PLANS FOR IT TO BE A NEW STREET.
I DON'T KNOW IF MR. ANDERSON CAN ANSWER THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT ELSE CAN'T.
BUT WE COULD MAKE A NOTE THAT WE DON'T SEEM FAVORABLE TO A NEW STREET.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING, MR? WELL, I I JUST WONDER, WHEN WE'RE ADDING A SIGNIFICANT BUILDING IN FAIR PARK IN A PARKING LOT, IS IT GONNA LOOK LIKE IT'S FLOATING IN A PARKING LOT FOREVER? OR IS IT, DOES IT MAKE SENSE THAT IT FITS INTO THE PARK SOMEHOW?
AND ALSO, IS THERE, I, I KNOW THIS THE FUTURE THING, BUT IS THERE ANY OTHER THINGS THAT COULD GO ON THAT PARKING LOT SOMEDAY? I'M JUST, I'M, I'M KIND OF INTRIGUED OR CONCERNED ABOUT PUTTING A BUILDING IN A PARKING LOT.
NOW THERE ARE OTHER, REMEMBER WE DID TALK ABOUT A COMMUNITY PARK A WHILE BACK? MM-HMM,
SO THERE ARE OTHER DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
SO ACROSS FROM HERE WHERE YOU SEE THIS LOT AND THIS LOT, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BECOME A COMMUNITY PARK, 22 ACRE COMMUNITY PARK.
AND THEN NEXT TO IT, WELL THERE WERE PLANS FOR A PARKING GARAGE, BUT THAT HAS SINCE BEEN AXED.
AND SO NOW IT WILL STILL BE SURFACE PARKING ACROSS THE STREET.
SO THOSE ARE THE PLANS THAT I UNDERSTAND AT THIS TIME.
SO IS THERE GOING TO BE A STREET IN QUOTES OR IS IT JUST GONNA DRIVE IN A PARKING LOT AND PULL UP TO THIS BUILDING? THERE IS KIND OF A STREET, THE LITTLE CURVY ONE.
YOU, I THINK YOU HAD A PICTURE EARLIER OF THE, UM, THE OBSERVATION TOWER.
THERE'S A, SEE, I DON'T HAVE THE DOCKET ON MY MACHINE.
IT'S IN MY, THAT ONE CASE REPORT, BUT THAT PICTURE.
IT'S A BLUE AND RED BUILDING, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THIS BUILDING KIND OF FITS IN AND ISN'T JUST FLOATING IN A PARKING LOT FOREVER.
CAN I INTER INTERJECT HERE? I I'M SEEING MYSELF ON CAMERA.
OH, YOU'RE HERE NOW OFFICIALLY.
THEN SINCE YOU'RE HERE, I STILL NEED YOU TO GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UH, CHRIS ANDERSON, GFF ARCHITECTS, UH, UH, HOME, HOME ADDRESS IS 8 3 0 BROOKS DRIVE IN DALLAS.
SO NOW YOU CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS LIKE ABOUT THE DRIVE, THE FUTURE OF HOW IT WILL LOOK IN ITS CONTEXT.
UM, UH, DR. DUNN, COULD YOU BRING UP A, THAT A SITE PLAN, PLEASE? OKAY.
UH, DID YOU, WE CAN WORK WITH THIS HERE.
THAT'S MUCH, THAT'S MUCH BETTER.
UM, SO THE, THE BUILDING IS ACTUALLY NOT IN THE PARKING LOT.
IT'S ON THE, IT'S ON THE MIDWAY, UH, THE VERY END OF THE MIDWAY.
UH, AND WE'RE, UM, WE'VE CITED IT HERE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS EXISTING STAND OF TREES, UH, AND TO PUSH IT TO AS FAR TO THE CORNER OF THE MIDWAY AS POSSIBLE.
THERE ARE TO, TO ANSWER TO THE SPECIFIC QUESTION, UM, WE ARE ADDING A FIRE LANE, UH, ALONG THE, UM, BASICALLY THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN, ALONG THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THAT FIRE LANE GOES ONTO THE MIDWAY, AND EVENTUALLY THERE WILL BE A PHASE TWO THAT GETS ATTACHED TO THE, UM, THE SMALLER PORTION OF THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THAT WILL TAKE, UM, THE PLACE OF THREE EXISTING BUILDINGS ON THE MIDWAY, ONE OF WHICH YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT OF IN THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
THAT'S A LITTLE RESTROOM BUILDING.
UM, AND WE'RE DOING IT, WE'RE CITING IT THIS WAY TO KIND OF ANCHOR THIS CORNER OF THE MIDWAY IN ONE SENSE, BUT ALSO THE, THE, THE GRAND SCHEME IS TO GET RID OF THOSE OTHER THREE EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE SORT OF PLOPPED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MIDWAY.
AND THAT'LL ALLOW THE, THE STATE FAIR TO HAVE MORE AREA TO HAVE MIDWAY VENDORS AND WHATNOT.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A, THE LONG-TERM GOAL IS TO ACTUALLY CREATE MORE USABLE SPACE FOR THE MIDWAY.
IS THERE, OH, I GO JUST ONE MORE THING.
AREN'T YOU, YOU CURRENTLY IN, IS IT THE, THE, THE FIRE FIRE DEPARTMENT BUILDING? YES.
STAFF IS IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
POLICE, UH, THE, THE ORIGINAL BUILDING THAT WAS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE DEPARTMENT AND, AND CLINIC.
SO IS THERE A PLAN? WAS THAT, THAT WILL BE VACATED OR ARE YOU GOING TO USE THAT IN ADDITION TO THIS BUILDING? NO, THE, THE, UH,
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FAIR PARK STAFF WILL VACATE COMPLETELY, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, DALLAS PARK AND REC WILL TAKE OVER THE EXISTING BUILDING.SO IT WILL BE USED BY THE PARK DEPARTMENT PROBABLY.
I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANOTHER VACANT BUILDING NEEDED TO BE MAINTAINED.
UM, IS, ARE, ARE WE WALK WORKING OFF OF A MASTER PLAN? YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS POSSIBLY PHASED IN HERE AND THERE'S A SECOND PHASE THAT'S GOING TO DO SOMETHING.
UM, I JUST HAVE RESERVATIONS ON APPROVING IN A PIECEMEAL SIT STYLE AND NOT SEEING THE OVERALL, UH, MASTER PLAN TO, TO SEE THAT THROUGH FRUITION.
UH, WHAT'S, WHAT DO WE GOT GOING ON AND, AND CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? SURE.
UM, I ALLUDED TO, UH, TO IT SLIGHTLY A LITTLE, UH, A MOMENT AGO.
THE, THE ONLY THING, UM, YOU KNOW, MASTER PLAN MIGHT BE TOO GRAND OF A, A, A THING TO, TO DESCRIBE WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT, UM, THE ONLY THING THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY SHOWN HERE IS THE ADDITION THAT I ALLUDED TO, UH, A MOMENT AGO.
UM, THAT IS ACTUALLY SMALLER FOOTPRINT THAN WHAT WE'RE BUILDING HERE.
UH, AND IT, AND IT, UM, IS GOING TO ATTACH TO THE, THIS NEW BUILDING, UM, IN THE, IN THE PERSPECTIVE VIEW.
IT'LL ATTACH TO THE NEW BUILDING AT THE, AT THE SORT OF UPPER MIDDLE PART OF THE IMAGE AND KIND OF GO, UH, ALONG THAT NEW FIRE LANE THAT PARALLELS PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE SHARED JUST SO WE COULD HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW ONE BUILDING MAY SPEAK TO ANOTHER? I MEAN, WE, YES, WE'D BE WORKING, LOOKING AT ONE BUILDING AND I UNDERSTAND THE APPROVAL AND ALL THAT STUFF'S NOT MAYBE IN OF THE OTHER, OTHER BUILDINGS, BUT HOW, HOW THINGS RELATE AND SPEAK.
YOU, YOU'D UNDERSTAND THAT WOULD KIND LIKE TO SEE THAT WHOLE PICTURE.
SO I THINK THERE'S AN OUTLINE SHOW IT, SHOWING IT IN IN THE PRESENTATION.
WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T WANNA BE CONFUSING ON WHAT WE WERE ASKING APPROVAL FOR AT THIS POINT.
6 34 OF THE DOCKET OF, OF YOUR THOUSAND 53 PAGE.
I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SERVE
YEAH, I JUST WHAT ABOUT, IS THERE ANY, I MEAN THE DETAILS AND I I MEAN, NOT DETAILS, BUT THE STYLISTIC AND NATURE OF THE, THE NEXT BUILDING, IS IT, IT'S ALL GONNA BE, UH, IN SIMILAR STYLES, SO IT'S JUST GONNA BE A CONTINUATION? YES.
UH, IT'LL HAVE, UM, LESS FENESTRATION ON IT.
UH, THAT, THAT NEW PORTION WILL, UH, WILL INCLUDE, UM, ESSENTIALLY THE, THE FARES BANK WITH VAULTING WITH VAULT AND, AND WHERE THEY ALL, ALL THEIR VENDORS COME ONCE A DAY DURING THE FAIR TO, TO, UM, CASH IN THEIR, THEIR TICKETS AND, AND, AND, AND THOSE SORTS OF OPERATIONS.
IT'LL ALSO, UH, CONTAIN THE, UM, UH, UH, DPD OFFICES FOR THEIR USE DURING THE FAIR.
AND, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY SHARE ALL OF THAT WHEN AGAIN, WHEN WE ARE, WHEN WE ARE BACK TO SEE YOU GUYS NEXT MONTH.
WHO HAS A QUESTION AT HOME? THIS COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON.
THE ROOF, UH, ON THE RENDERINGS JUST PRE SEEMS PRETTY BASIC, MAYBE COVERING AROUND FENCING, AROUND SOME AIR CONDITIONING USE.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT, IS THERE GONNA BE ANY USE ON THE ROOF OR WOULD THAT JUST BE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT? UH, IT IS JUST MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ON THE ROOF THAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE.
AND, UM, UH, THERE'S NO INTENTION OF ANY OCCUPYING SPACES ON THE ROOF AT THIS POINT.
UH, FIRST I HAVE A STATEMENT THAT I HAVE A QUESTION.
I, I, UM, I APPLAUD YOU FOR THE DESIGN.
I THINK THE DESIGN WORKS WELL FOR WHAT'S EXISTING AT FAIR PARK.
IT PUTTING SORT OF A MODERN SPIN ON IT AS WELL.
UM, BUT MY QUESTION, I THINK THE QUESTION WE HAD BEFORE WAS THE, THE MATERIAL AND THE ETHOS, AND WE WERE GONNA LEAVE THAT TO LAST, UH, OR TO A FUTURE POINT.
BUT NOW THAT YOU'RE ON CAMERA, TALK ABOUT THE, THE MATERIAL THEN NOW YOU'RE NOT USING E YOU'RE GOING, ARE YOU GONNA USE TRADITIONAL, UH, STUCCO ON THE BUILDING? YES.
WE, WE HAVE GONE BACK TO A, A, A TRADITIONAL THREE-PART, UH, CEMENT, PLASTER PROCESS FOR THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
THERE'S, THERE'S SOME METAL TRIM ON SOME OF THE WINDOWS, UH, AND SOME, UH, SOUTH FACING WINDOWS HAVE A A METAL SUNSHADE DEVICE ON THEM.
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PREDOMINANT FINISH IS A TRADITIONAL CEMENT PLASTER.OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER REEVES, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT REMOVING THREE ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS, BUT ON PAGE 6 33, UH, IT TALKS ABOUT STORM DRAINS AND MANHOLE COVERS.
IT DOESN'T ADDRESS ANY BUILDINGS 6 34.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT REMOVING THOSE BUILDINGS IN THIS CONSTRUCTION.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU VERY WELL.
WHAT DID THAT REMOVE? SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ABOUT THE, UM, THE PHASING OF BUILDINGS AND, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE THIS CRYSTAL CLEAR WHEN WE PRESENT TO YOU NEXT MONTH.
BUT FOR, FOR NOW, UM, THE, THE THREE BUILDINGS WILL REMAIN WHERE THEY ARE AND WILL NOT BE DEMOLISHED UNTIL THE SECOND PHASE OF THE NEW ADMINISTRATION BUILDING HAS BEEN COMPLETED BECAUSE THE, THE PROGRAM ITEMS IN THOSE BUILDINGS TO BE DEMOLISHED WILL BE REPLACED BY THE NEW EDITION ALRIGHTYY.
SO YOU'LL BRING US A NICE DRAWING THAT WE CAN ENJOY PERUSING ABOUT.
I, I, I PREFER PINK MYSELF IF YOU'D LIKE A COLOR CHOICE SUGGESTION.
WHAT OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? ANYBODY AT HOME? OKAY.
UH, YOU REALIZE THAT LEAVES WITH THAT KIND OF LEAVES THE IMPRESSION EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOOD.
IS THAT THE IMPRESSION WE WISH TO GIVE? ALRIGHT.
'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE SEEING THEM BACK NEXT TIME, APPARENTLY, TO ACTUALLY ASK US TO, OKAY.
ALRIGHT, WELL, UH, I HOPE WE HAVE BEEN OF SOME HELP, MR. ANDERSON, PLEASE CONTINUE TO, UM, WORK ON YOUR DESIGN AND WE'LL SEE YOU BACK.
AND REMEMBER, YOU COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE TOO, TOO CLEAR FOR US ABOUT YOUR PLANS,
WE'D JUST LIKE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER TWO IS LOCATED AT 46TH 31 JUNE STREET IN THE PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT CR 2 45 DASH 0 0 7 MW.
PRESENTING THE REQUEST IS A COURTESY REVIEW, A REQUEST TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY MAIN STRUCTURE AND TO DEACH ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON A VACANT LOT STAFF RECOMMENDATION COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT THE REQUEST TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY MAIN STRUCTURE AND DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON A VACANT LOT BE CONCEPTUALLY SUPPORTED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
TASK FORCE FEEDBACK, COURTESY REVIEW, COMMENTS ONLY GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE COMMENTS ARE AS FOLLOWS.
THE ANDERSON E-SERIES IS AN ALUMINUM WINDOW AND NOT ALLOWED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WINDOWS MUST BE WOOD ON WOOD.
THE WINDOWS SHOULD BE MADE LARGER FOUR BY SIX AND TRIM BOARDS SHOULD SIT OVER THE SIDING TO PROVIDE 3D RELIEF.
TRIM SHOULD BE ONE BY SIX ON SIDES AND ONE BY SIX OR ONE BY EIGHT ABOVE THE WINDOW WITH A BED MOLD AND CAP ADDED.
SEE EXAMPLES OF TYPICAL WINDOWS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOUNDATION SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF 18 INCHES ABOVE.
ROOF ON PORCH SHOULD BE EXTENDED ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE, AND THE PORCH SHOULD BE DEEPER ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
ADDITIONAL COLUMN TO BE ADDED ON THE RIGHT SIDE PORCH ROOF SHOULD BE HIT ON THE SIDES PITCH OF THE ROOF.
SHOULD PITCH OF THE ROOF OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE SHOULD BE SIX BY 12.
SIDING SHOULD NOT BE HALF BRICK AND HALF WOOD.
RECOMMEND EITHER ALL BRICK BUFF RED OR COLUMNS IN BRICK BUFF RED AND HOUSE SIDING OF ONE 17 OR 1 0 5.
A FREEZE BOARD SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE TOP OF THE SECOND STORY.
WINDOWS SHOULD BE GANGED WHERE TWO WINDOWS ARE NEAR EACH OTHER WITH A ONE BY SIX.
A ONE BY EIGHT BOARD OF A TREEMAN WINDOWS SHALL NOT HAVE MILLIONS BETWEEN THE GLASS, BUT RATHER ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE GLASS.
AND MORE WINDOWS SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE LEFT ELEVATION TO BALANCE THE VOID, THE SOLID RATIO.
AND WE DO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR THIS ONE.
THE FIRST IS JENNIFER HIROTO ONLINE.
UM, ARE YOU ON CAMERA TO MEET THE LAW, THE STATE LAW? I CAN SEE MY CAMERA.
UH, WE, WE, LET ME STOP MY, YEAH, LET'S STOP THE SHARING FOR A SECOND SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE OUR SPEAKER HERE.
AND I SEE OUR OTHER SPEAKER'S ON CAMERA.
SO, UH, STARTING WITH YOU JENNIFER.
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AND ADDRESS AND PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.HI, MOTO, 1 0 2 3 3 EAST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY IN DALLAS, 7 5 2 3 8.
UM, AND, UH, MR. DAR KAMAN IS THE ARCHITECT, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, THERE WERE, UM, FOUR ITEMS THAT WERE MENTIONED IN THE BRIEFING THIS MORNING.
UM, THE MILLIONS, UM, THE, UH, SIDING, THE ROOF PITCH, AND THE FRONT PORCH.
UM, AND WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UM, ON THE, AND, AND GIVE ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK ON THESE ITEMS, THE NOVELTY SIDING, UM, IN THE TASK FORCE, UH, MEETING WE WERE GIVEN, UM, A COUPLE OF OPTIONS AND WE PICKED ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION.
ALRIGHT, AND, UH, MR. CAYMAN, CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME, ADDRESS? UH, GOOD AFTERNOON.
STANDARD CAYMAN, 2 1 6 0 NORTH CENTRAL ROAD, FORT LEE, NEW JERSEY.
UH, SO WE HAVE, UH, QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION.
WHAT, WHAT QUESTIONS DO COMMISSIONERS HAVE FOR TOPICS TO BRING UP? OKAY, I THINK WE CAN UP THE MOST OF THE COMMENTS.
ALRIGHT, SIR, DID YOU WANNA COMMENT ON THE COMMENTS YOU ALREADY HEARD FROM US OR, YES.
SO, UH, I THINK WE PICK UP THE MOST OF THE COMMENTS, UH, REGARDING THE, UH, UH, UM, EXCEPT COUPLE OF THEM.
THE FIRST ONE IS THE LEAKAGE THAT WE DIDN'T PICK UP.
UH, THE REASON THAT WE DIDN'T PICK UP IS WE WANNA STAY WITHIN THE ALLOWED, UH, PIPE PERMITTED BY THE ZONING.
UH, FOR THOSE REASONS WE KEPT THE ROOF, UH, FOUR OVER 12, UM, INSTEAD OF SIX OVER 12 AS REQUESTED.
UH, I THINK THE OTHER COMMENT THAT WE DIDN'T PICK UP, BUT WE CAN, UH, WHICH IS THE PORCH FRONT PORCH, UM, RIGHT NOW, UM, WE SEE A, A COLUMN ON THE RIGHT, UH, WHICH, WHICH DOESN'T HAVE ANY PORCH BEHIND IT.
SO WE CAN PUSH THE BUILDING TOWARDS TO THE BACK AND PROVIDE MAYBE THREE, FOUR FEET PORCH AT THE FRONT.
UH, I THINK THAT ADDRESSES, UH, THAT COMMENT.
AND WE SWITCHED OVER ALL THE WINDOWS TO THE RECOMMENDED, UH, WAN, 5,500 SERIOUS ROOT WINDOWS WITH THE MILLIONS OUTSIDE, UH, EXPRESS OUTSIDE.
AND WE ALSO PROVIDED THE SIDING.
UH, BUT I THINK MAYBE WE MISUNDERSTOOD THE, THE RECOMMENDATION.
I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS 1 0 6, UH, BUT I, UH, HEARD THAT ONE 17 IS PREFERRED, SO WE CAN CHANGE OVER THAT WRITING TO ONE 17.
AND, UH, UH, THE SMALL DETAIL, UH, WE USE THE HISTORICAL COLORS, UH, FOR THE SIDING AND THEN THE BRICK COLORS, UH, THE RED AS RECOMMENDED.
UH, I THINK THAT'S ALL, ALL I GOT.
ALSO, WE COMBINED THE WINDOWS AND PUT TOGETHER AND PROVIDED THE TRIM AROUND IT AND A WIDER STREAM AT THE TOP.
UH, AND ALSO WE ELEVATED THE BUILDING 18 INCHES OR SO, UH, FROM THE GRATE, UH, ADDED, ADDED ADDITIONAL WINDOWS.
UH, I THINK THAT'S ALL I, ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, UM, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER RENO.
I HAD A COUPLE MORE SUGGESTIONS.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'VE TAKEN THE PORCH ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FRONT FACADE.
I THINK WHAT IT'S DONE THOUGH, IS CREATED AN ISSUE WHERE THERE EFFECTIVELY IS NO PORCH IN FRONT OF THE LEFT, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE, UH, OF THE HOME.
AND ONE THING, UH, AS A SUGGESTION TO HELP ALLEVIATE THAT IS YOU COULD TAKE THE WHOLE RIGHT PORTION OF THE HOME AND PUSH IT BACK, UH, ABOUT FOUR FEET.
I THINK THERE'S ONLY ONE CONDITION WHERE THE, WHERE THE RECREATION AREA WOULD OVERLAP.
THE UH, ACTUALLY I'M LOOKING ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
I'M JUST LOOKING UP AT THE PORCH ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE KITCHEN MAY OVERLAP.
THE, THE GREAT ROOM, A SLIGHT, UH, A SLIGHT BIT.
BUT I THINK BY PUSHING THAT BACK, THEY WOULD LET THE, LET YOU HAVE A USABLE PORCH ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE HOME.
AND THE SECOND ONE, UH, IS I WOULD DOUBLE CHECK ZONING.
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THE 30 FOOT HEIGHT LIMITATION ON A TWO STORY, UH, UH, CONSTRUCTION IS TO THE MIDPOINT OF THE SLOPE OF THE ROOF, NOT TO THE RIDGE.UH, I KNOW DIFFERENT ZONING, UM, UM, AFFECTS YOU IN, IN DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT I WOULD DOUBLE CHECK THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR.
'CAUSE MOST, MOST, UM, UH, ZONING AREAS ALLOW YOU TO GO TO THE MIDPOINT OF THE, OF THE SLOPE.
UM, THE LAST ONE IS THE OVERHANG OF THE, THE ROOF ITSELF.
UM, GENERALLY ON A TWO, ON A ONE STORY HOME, THE TWO, THE TWO FOOT OVERHANG ISN'T A PROB UH, IS, UH, IS APPROPRIATELY SCALED.
I THINK IN A TWO STORY, UM, CONDITION, YOU WOULD WANT TO GO AT LEAST 30 INCHES.
UM, BECAUSE THE, THE SCALE OF THE ROOF LOOKS DIMINUTIVE.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, I, I CAN CON CONCUR WITH THAT WHOLEHEARTEDLY, BUT I, I'D ALSO HAVE A, A, A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, A THOUGHT ON THE, IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE ELEVATION, THE COLORIZED ELEVATION THERE ON THE PORCH, THERE'S LIKE A FIELD OF BRICK IN BETWEEN THE COLUMNS ON THE SKIRTING.
UM, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, UM, IT WOULD SPEAK TO ME THAT THE COLUMNS WOULD JUST BE BRICK AND THEN THAT IN BETWEEN THE COLUMNS WOULD BE UH, OR WOULD MATERIAL OR SOMETHING TO THE SORT LIKE THAT.
SO THAT WAY IT WILL SHOW THOSE COLUMNS PROPERLY AND IT WOULDN'T GIVE A, A KIND OF A HORIZONTAL BANDING DOWN THERE OF THE BRICK IN BETWEEN THOSE BRICK COLUMNS.
UM, WHAT IS ALSO, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
WHAT IS THE PLATE HEIGHTS, THE, UH, CEILING HEIGHT OF THE SECOND FLOOR? IS THERE ANYWHERE YOU COULD GET OF, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM OUT OF, UH, IF YOU ARE CONSTRICTED ON HEIGHT? IS THERE A WAY YOU COULD TAKE IT OUT OF THE MAIN BUILDING SOMEWHERE TO BE ABLE TO, TO GET THAT, UM, THAT ROOF PITCH SLOPE BACK TO A CRAFTSMAN STYLE, UH, SLOPE? UH, WHAT, WHAT WE GOT RIGHT NOW JUST IS OUT OF CHARACTER AND IT'S A LITTLE TOO FLAT.
UH, SO IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY TO GET SOME HEIGHT IF YOU'RE RESTRICTED, I THINK THE FIRST THING IS DOING WHAT COMMISSIONER JUST SAID ABOUT DOUBLE CHECKING YOUR HEIGHT ZONING.
AND, AND IF YOU, I DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO, I WOULD SUGGEST TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING OUTTA LIKE YOUR SECOND FLOOR TO, TO BE ABLE TO, TO GET THAT SLOPE BETTER.
WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT A SIX 12 WOULD BE MORE IN COMMON.
I'LL ALSO BE ASKING THAT, THAT WE REQUIRE THE APPLICANTS TO GO FOR A PRELIMINARY ZONING REVIEW.
UM, SO THAT WILL BE THE NEXT STEP ANYWAY.
I WANNA CONGRATULATE YOU DID A REALLY GOOD JOB.
UH, THE MUL IS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE EXPRESS.
ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE, THERE'S A LARGE BLANK SPACE.
I SEE THAT THERE'S A BATHROOM BACK ON THAT SIDE.
IS THERE ANY WAY YOU COULD ADD A WINDOW SOMEHOW INTO THAT LARGE BLANK SPACE? 'CAUSE IT'S RIGHT AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING THERE.
YEAH, THERE'S A BIG BETWEEN THE FIREPLACE IN THE CORNER.
THERE NEEDS TO BE ANOTHER WINDOW AT LEAST PUT IN THERE, I THINK.
AND, UH, ON THE COLUMNS THEY SHOULD HAVE CASTSTONE CAPS AND I'M NOT SURE THAT REALLY SHOWS YOU SHOW SOME KIND OF A, BUT BETWEEN THE BRICK, I'M NOT SURE IF IT SHOWS THAT OR NOT.
THAT LITTLE LINE, THAT SHOULD BE PROBABLY A LITTLE THICKER CASTSTONE CAP.
AND THE COLUMNS LOOK, UH, THE WOOD COLUMNS LOOK A LITTLE THIN.
UM, I THINK YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE BRICK BASE IS TWO FOOT SQUARE AND THE BRICK OR THE WOOD COLUMN IS ONE INCH, SO THAT I THINK SOMETHING'S WRONG THERE.
TWO BY TWO BRICK AND THEN 10 INCH BY 10 INCH PAINTED WOOD.
EITHER THE BOTTOM IS TOO BIG OR THE TOP IS TOO SMALL.
UM, IN YOUR DISCUSSION OR IN YOUR DOCKET INFORMATION, YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE DOING NOVELTY SIDING, BUT IT ACTUALLY WAS A BEVEL AND A AND A BOARD.
THEN YOU MENTIONED NOVELTY SIDING.
ARE YOU GONNA DO THE, THE, THE NOVELTY SIDING? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO? THE, SO YOU SAID WAS NOVELTY WASN'T NOVELTY, IT WAS SOMETHING ELSE.
SO EITHER YOU DO NOVELTY SIDING OR LAP SIDING AND THE GANGED WINDOWS, AT LEAST ON THE FRONT, BUT CASING LOOKS TOO WIDE BETWEEN THE, THE WINDOWS.
UM, YOU MIGHT NEED TO CHECK OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD 'CAUSE I THINK THAT MAYBE IT'S, 'CAUSE THERE'S ALL THAT WHITE,
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BUT IT JUST APPEARS THAT THERE'S, THERE'S TOO MUCH CASING BETWEEN THE, THE TRIPLE AND DOUBLE WINDOWS.IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? Y I'D LIKE TO KIND OF JUMP IN HERE JUST, WELL, I WANTED TO SAY, JUST TO TOUCH JUST THE, THE RAILING HEIGHT.
IS THAT THREE FOOT THE RAILING HEIGHT? YES.
THOSE, THOSE, THOSE RAILING HEIGHTS ARE TYPICALLY CLOSE TO THE SEAL HEIGHTS.
AND I THINK IF THE RAILING HEIGHT CAME DOWN, UH, TO, UH, CLOSE, CLOSER TO YOUR SEAL HEIGHT, UH, AND THAT'S, THAT WOULD ALSO, I WOULD KEEP THAT STONE COLUMN, I MEAN THE BRICK COLUMN, BASE COLUMN THAT WOULD COME DOWN AS WELL.
AND THEN PLEA AND BE SURE TO GET A CAP ON THERE THAT'S, UH, NOT THIS LITTLE THIN SLIVER LIKE HE, HE JUST SPOKE.
UH, THAT WOULD HELP A WHOLE LOT TOO.
SOME OF US ARE HAVING FUN WITH THIS.
DID I HEAR SOMEONE ONLINE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK? DID I HEAR SOMEONE ONLINE? ONE OF THE COMMITMENTS.
ALL RIGHT THEN I, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, STRONGLY, SOMEWHAT STRONGLY SAY THAT THE, THE, THE, THE PART THAT JUTS FORWARD ON YOUR FACADE.
I KNOW WE ALREADY MENTIONED YOU COULD PUSH IT BACK AND MAKE THE WHOLE PORCH.
THAT WOULD BE WAY MORE COMMON TO HOUSES LIKE THIS, THE CUBIC SHAPED FOUR SQUARE HOUSES.
IF A PART JUS FORWARD, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT TRADITIONALLY IN THE OLDER ONES.
THERE'S JUST SOMETHING WRONG ABOUT THE TRANSITION.
IT'S, IT'S SO STARK THE WAY IT GOES FORWARD.
I, I AM SEEING THAT AS A MAJOR IMPEDIMENT ON THIS DESIGNED TO SAYING THAT IT FITS INTO THE OVERALL NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE STANDARDS OF THE HOUSE IS SEEN IN THIS AREA.
YOU KNOW, FITTING INTO A HISTORIC DISTRICT IS ONE OF THE PLACES WHERE YOU DON'T WANNA BE UNIQUE OR STAND OUT.
YOU WANT TO LOOK LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
SO, UM, I FIND THAT REALLY BOTHERSOME.
AND OF COURSE IT THEN CREATED THE PROBLEM WITH THE PORCH ABOUT A 30 FOOT WIDE BUILDING WITH A 30 FOOT WIDE PORCH IN FRONT OF IT IS EXTREMELY STANDARD FOR THIS TYPE OF HOUSE IN THESE TYPES OF NEIGHBORHOODS HERE IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN DALLAS.
SO I STRONGLY URGE TO TRY TO GO WITH THAT AND THEN TO MAKE THE WINDOWS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE CENTER PORTION TO BE THE SAME, THE SAME ARRANGEMENT, WHICHEVER ONE OF THE TWO YOU CURRENTLY HAVE.
BUT I THINK THAT IS FAR MORE LIKELY TO BE SEEN AS A, AS, UM, IT'S NOT GONNA BE CONTRIBUTING PART OF THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT AS BEING COMPATIBLE WITH AND NOT HARMING THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT.
IT SEEMS TO BE WHAT WE HAVE FOR YOU.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, IT, YOU, THERE THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME THINGS TO ADDRESS IN THIS HELM.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO COME FROM NEW JERSEY TO VISIT LOVELY DALLAS.
THIS IS A BETTER TIME OF YEAR THAN BEFORE THIS.
UM, WE GOT THE FAIRS ON, YOU COULD COME SEE THAT, BUT IF NOT, YOU PROBABLY NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU BRING A LOT OF PICTURES OF, UM, OF HOMES IN THE AREA, WHICH STAFF MIGHT EVEN BE ABLE TO HELP YOU WITH.
THEY COULD SHOW YOU SOME VERY TYPICAL FOURSQUARE HOMES IN THE AREA AND WHAT THEY TEND TO LOOK LIKE HERE.
I TOO AM FROM THE NORTHEAST AND IT'S DIFFERENT UP THERE AND IT'S DIFFERENT DOWN HERE.
I WON'T SAY WHICH IS BETTER, BUT IT'S, IT'S DIFFERENT.
SO THANK YOU FOR COMING AND TALKING TO US.
SO I, I JUST HAVE COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
SO I, I COME TO DALLAS EVERY OTHER WEEK ALMOST, UH, STAY AT LEAST COUPLE NIGHTS, UH, EVERY OTHER WEEK.
SO, UH, JUST ONE, UH, QUESTION REGARDING THE PORT.
SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SEVEN FEET, FOUR INCHES WIDE PORT.
IS IT ACCEPTABLE, UH, JUST TO HAVE, UH, MAYBE THREE, FOUR FOOT PORCH IN THE RIGHT SIDE AND THEN THE SEVEN FEET FOOT? NO.
AS A GENERAL RULE, I SAY THAT SO AS IF IT'S CUT AND DRIED, UH, ALL PORCHES MUST BE AT LEAST OCCUPIABLE BY LIKE A CHAIR OR SOMETHING.
BUT THE TRADITION WITH A HOUSE LIKE THIS, THE PORCHES ARE FAIRLY DEEP.
UH, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WHEN THEY WERE BUILT, WE DIDN'T HAVE AIR CONDITIONING.
EVERYBODY SAT OUTSIDE ON THE PORCH AND CAUGHT THE BREEZE.
UH, THEY'RE OFTEN EIGHT FEET DEEP, PROBABLY AT MY HOUSE, EIGHT TO 10 AND THAT'S PRETTY COMMON.
SO WE LIKE A PORCH THAT IS A REALLY MEANINGFUL PORCH.
IT'S ONLY LATER IN THE FIFTIES THAT YOU START TO SEE THOSE LITTLE TINY FULL PORCHES THAT ARE JUST DECORATIVE RATHER THAN USEFUL.
SO YEAH, WE NEED A, A GOOD PORCH.
YOU COULD EAT DINNER OUT THERE IF YOU WANTED.
I THINK I, UH, MY PAPERS, THE COMMENTS AND WE'LL TRY TO ADDRESS ALL.
ALRIGHT, WELL GOOD LUCK WITH YOU.
THAT WAS C TWO, SO NOW WE'RE UP TO D ONE.
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DISCUSSION ITEM D ONE.RHONDA DUNN SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 61 16 RIEGER AVENUE.
UH, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS ACTUALLY JL LONG MIDDLE SCHOOL, NOT THE WOODROW WILSON HIGH SCHOOL.
UH, THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 4 5 DASH 0 0 5 RD.
THE REQUEST ARE AS FOLLOWS, ONE FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPAIR OR RE AND OR RESTORE ALL METAL FRAMED HISTORIC WINDOWS 95 TOTAL REQUEST TWO.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL SLOPED SIDEWALK WITH BRICK WALL SCREENING LEADING TO FRONT ENTRANCE REQUEST NUMBER THREE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW WOOD EXTERIOR DOUBLE DOORS AT FRONT ENTRANCE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS, ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPAIR AND OR RESTORE ALL METAL FRAMED HISTORIC WINDOWS 95 TOTAL BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 8 26 20 24.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTIONS 5.1 AND 5.6 UNDER FENESTRATION AND OPENINGS STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL SLOPE SIDEWALK WITH BRICK PONY WALL SCREENING LEADING TO FRONT ENTRANCE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 8 26 20 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT SIDEWALK BE CONSTRUCTED OF.
BRUSH FINISH SI BRUSH FINISH CONCRETE THAT BRICKS OF SCREENING WALL MATCH BRICKS OF FRONT ELEVATION AND MODULE SIZE, COLOR, AND PROFILE.
AND THAT CASTSTONE COPING OF BRICK WALL MATCHED THE CASTSTONE DETAILING OF MAIN ENTRANCE IN COLOR AND TEXTURE.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTIONS 3.3 AND 3.5 SUBDIVISION B UNDER BUILDING SITE AND LANDSCAPING THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER THREE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW WOOD EXTERIOR DOUBLE DOORS AT FRONT ENTRANCE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 8 26 20 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT REPLACEMENT DOORS EXISTING TRANSOM AND SIDELIGHTS MATCHED THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC DESIGN IN LIGHT CONFIGURATION MATERIAL AND PROFILE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTIONS 5.2 AND 5.3 UNDER FENESTRATION AND OPENINGS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPAIR OR RESTORE ALL METAL FRAMED HISTORIC WINDOWS 95 TOTAL BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL SLOPE SIDEWALK WITH BRICK PONY WALL SCREENING LEADING UP TO FRONT ENTRANCE BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW WOOD EXTERIOR DOUBLE DOORS AT FRONT ENTRANCE BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED WITH THE CONDITION THAT ENTRY DOORS, TRANSOM AND SIDELIGHTS MATCH THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC DESIGN.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER, SIR.
UM, COULD YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? YES, UH, MY NAME IS UH, JOHN LUCIO.
I REPRESENT THE, UH, THE SD MY PHYSICAL ADDRESS IS 9 3 0 CANAL STREET IN IRVING, TEXAS.
UM, I'M REPRESENTING THE DESIGN TEAM AND
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THE DISD ON SPECIFIC LOGIC.WE NEED YOU TO, TO TELL US TO PROMISE, SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU'LL TELL THE TRUTH.
WHATEVER WORDS YOU WANNA USE, I PROMISE TO SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
NOW YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US MORE ABOUT YOUR PROJECT, IF YOU HEARD.
YOU MAY HAVE TO SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT.
WE HAVE SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS AT HOME.
IF YOU LISTEN TO OUR BRIEFING, YOU MIGHT ALREADY KNOW SOME OF OUR CONCERNS, BUT GO AHEAD WITH YOUR THREE MINUTES TO TELL US WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE PROJECT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE MY SCREEN.
DO I JUST HATE TO SHARE ON THIS? YEAH, ASK HER.
UH, I'D LIKE TO START OFF WITH, UH, DESCRIBING, UH, I THINK THERE WAS, UH, SOME QUESTIONS IN THE, UH, HEARING THIS MORNING, UH, REGARDING TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AT THIS FRONT INTEREST AND WHY WE CHOSE THIS.
WE'RE INTERESTED TO WORK THAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR.
UH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS START WITH THE, UM, SITE PLAN AT THE SCHOOL TO SHOW YOU THE EXISTING ENTRANCES TO THIS FACILITY AND HOW THEY CURRENTLY FUNCTION.
AS YOU'LL NOTE ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE PLAN, UH, THERE'S THREE COLORS OF ASTERISKS THAT SHOW THE DIFFERENT ENTRANCES TO THE SCHOOL.
UH, THE SCHOOL IS BOUND BY ER AVENUE ON THE LEFT AND BY PAULA STREET ON THE NORTH.
UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE RED ASTROS INDICATE ENTRANCES THAT ARE USED BY STAFF PRIMARILY AND BY STUDENTS IN THE MORNING AND IN THE AFTERNOON FOR DROP OFF.
THEY'RE NOT USED, UH, FOR, UH, ONCE SCHOOL STARTS IN THE MORNING, THESE ENTRANCES ARE, UH, ARE LOCKED AND CAN ONLY BE ACCESSED BY STAFF WITH THAT KEY FOBS.
THERE'S ALSO A, UH, GREEN ASTERISK DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, WHICH IS A SERVICE ENTRANCE TO THE CAFETERIA AND IS USED BY SERVICE, UH, PEOPLE FOR THE CAFETERIA AND DELIVERY OF FOOD TO THE KITCHEN AS WELL.
YOU ALSO NOTE THAT THERE IS A BLUE ASTERISK, WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE MAIN ENTRANCE AS WE AND WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO THE PROPOSED RENOVATION WORK AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE.
UH, THIS IS KINDA GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE EXISTING ENTRANCES TO THE BUILDING AND AS WE RELATE TO THE SITE, I'D LIKE TO GO TO THE NEXT DRAWING, WHICH SHOWS, UH, IN A LITTLE BIT GREATER DETAIL HOW THESE ENTRANCES WORK WITH THE BUILDING.
UH, THE BUILDING ACTUALLY IS ON MULTI DIFFERENT LEVELS.
THIS LEVEL IS WHAT WE CALL THE FIRST LEVEL AND ACTUALLY IS ACCESSED ON THE GROUND FLOOR ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SITE.
THESE THREE ENTRANCES ARE LIKE INDICATED EARLIER, ARE USED BY STUDENTS AT DROP OFF AND A PICKUP AND BY STAFF.
AND THESE ARE CONTROLLED ACCESSES FOR STAFF WITH A KEY THOUGHT.
AS YOU'LL NOTE, THERE IS NO ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS PAST THESE ENTRANCES.
THERE'S JUST TYPICAL BE CLASSROOMS OR OTHER FUNCTIONS, BUT THERE IS NO ADMINISTRATIVE OPPOSITES AREAS IN THESE AREAS AT ALL.
WE MOVE TO THE NEXT LEVEL, WHICH IS THE UPPER LEVEL AND IS ACTUALLY LEVEL TWO AND IS THE LEVEL THAT FACES RIGOR AND IS WHERE THE MAIN OFFICE AREAS ARE ACTUALLY CURRENT CURRENTLY, UH, IN THE BUILDING, AS YOU'LL NOTE HERE IN THE BLUE ASTERISK IS THE PROPOSED ENTRY AREA THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED RENOVATION WORKING INSIDE.
AND NEXT TO IT YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S THE MAIN OFFICE, THERE'S A FRONT OFFICE, THE COUNSELING AREAS ARE HERE, ALL THESE PARTICULAR FUNCTIONS ARE HERE AND IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE FRONT ENTRANCE RENOVATION PROPOSED A THIS LOCATION.
THE OTHER REASON THAT THE, UH, ENTRANCE IS PROPOSED, THIS RENOVATION WORKER PROPOSED AT THIS AREA IS THAT THE TEXAS, THAT THAT YOUR TIME IS I CAN I SUGGEST TO GIVE I WHATEVER YOU SAY, PROPOSE, SUGGEST, UH, TO GIVE HIM ANOTHER TWO MINUTES.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO GIVE ANOTHER TWO MINUTES.
SECOND EVERYONE SECOND WE'LL SAY COMMISSIONER, PRE SECONDED.
UH, THE, THE OTHER REASON THAT WE, THAT, UH, THIS PROPOSED, UH, ENTRANCE IS BEING PROPOSED FOR RENOVATION WORK IS THAT THE TEXAS EDUCATION AGENCY AND THE DALLAS ISD HAVE IMPLEMENTED, UH, DIRECTION OF DIRECTIVES TO IMPROVE SECURITY AT ALL THESE, OF ALL THEIR SCHOOL FACILITIES.
AS YOU ARE AWARE, THERE'S ONGOING ISSUES RELATED TO, UM, SECURITY AT ALL PUBLIC SCHOOL FACILITIES AND PRIVATE SCHOOL FACILITIES.
AND WHAT THE DISD HAS IMPLEMENTED IS THE INTRODUCTION OF WHAT THEY REFER TO AS SECURITY VESTIBULES AND, UH, UM, AND CONTROLLING ACCESS TO THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING.
AND IN THAT, IN THAT, AND FOR THAT PARTICULAR REASON, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE THAT'S USED BY STA UH,
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BY VISITORS AND BY PARENTS DURING SCHOOL HOURS.THE, THIS EXISTING ENTRANCE IS NOT A DA ACCESSIBLE AND ALSO TO MAKE IT A SECURE BU THE PROPOSED RENOVATIONS THAT WE PROPOSED OR WE ARE ASKING FOR THAT THOSE TO BE APPROVED BY THE, UH, AS YOU WILL SEE IN THIS PARTICULAR PLAN AS I'LL SHOW YOU SOME ADDITIONAL DRAWING.
THE, UH, SHOW HERE, THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITION AS IT EXISTS.
NOW, UH, AS YOU WILL SEE THERE AT WHERE MY HAND IS CURRENTLY AT, THERE'S A FIVE INCH RISE HERE.
AND AS YOU GO INTO THE BUILDING, THERE'S A SERIES OF TWO STEPS HERE, WHICH IS OF ROUGHLY ABOUT A 13 INCH RISE.
AND THE INTENT IS TO RAISE THIS WHOLE FLOOR AND ADJUST THE FRONT ENTRANCE TO A COUNT FOR THAT CHANGE IN ELEVATION TO MAKE THE WHOLE FRONT ACCESSIBLE.
IN DOING THAT, THIS IS THE PROPOSED VO REVISED, UH, ENTRANCE.
YOU'LL SEE THIS BECOMES A SECURITY VESTIBULE WITH THE NEW RECEPTION AREA, WHICH WILL CONTROL THE FRONT ENTRANCE, WHICH WILL ALLOW CONTROL FOR ENTRANCE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO IN AND OUT.
NOW, UM, COMMISSIONERS WILL HAVE QUESTIONS
THE BLUE IS THE NEW RAMP AREA, BUT THE BLUE AREA IS, IS THE INCLINED WALL.
IT'S NOT ACTUALLY TECHNICALLY A RAMP.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID IS ADDING HANDRAILS AND MINIMIZING THE HEIGHT OF THE WALLS TO MATCH SOME OF THE EXISTING DETAILING OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.
WHO, WHO, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? UH, YES, I HAVE A QUESTION.
THE, IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S VERY LITTLE STEP MORE CHANGE IN ELEVATION AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S A FIVE INCH RISE FROM THE SIDEWALK TO THE FRONT PORCH.
WELL MY UNDERSTANDING IS MOST OF THIS IS BEING DONE TO MAKE THE INTERIOR WORK CORRECT.
THERE IS, UH, TWO, AS I INDICATED IN THIS DRAWING HERE, AS YOU'LL SEE HERE, THERE IS A TWO STEPS ON THE INSIDE.
IT REQUIRES ABOUT 13 INCHES TOTAL IN HEIGHT.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IT SEEMS WE'RE GOING THROUGH A LOT OF ARCHITECTURAL CHANGES, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, WE'RE ADDING RAMPS, WE'RE CHANGING THE DOOR, WE'RE ADDING STEPS, WHATEVER WE'RE DOING, WHICH I THINK IS A MAJOR CHANGE TO THIS BUILDING, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IS NECESSARY.
HAVE YOU EXPLORED ALL OPTIONS OF CHANGING ELEVATIONS INTERNALLY BY ADDING RAMPS OR CHANGING THE ELEVATIONS THERE? IT SEEMS TO ME I UNDERSTAND HANDICAPPED ACCESS AND WE DO THAT WHEN WE NEED TO GET INTO A BUILDING FROM THE OUTSIDE, BUT IT APPEARS WE, EXCUSE ME, DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE GETTING INTO THE BUILDING FOR HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBILITY.
THE PROBLEM IS INTERNAL, SO THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN MANEUVER THE FLOOR PLATES AND FLOOR HEIGHTS RATHER MAYBE MECHANICAL LIFT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT JUST SEEMS THAT WE ARE ALTERING THIS BUILDING DRAMATICALLY SPENDING AN AWFUL LOT OF DSD MONEY CHANGING THE FRONT, CUTTING THE DOOR DOWN, ADDING STEPS THAT AREN'T THERE TODAY.
I THERE'S GOTTA BE A WAY THAT THE INTERIOR CAN BE MA MADE TO WORK AND NOT, NOT TO HAVE TO ALTER THE EXTERIOR.
UH, WE DID LOOK ACTUALLY AT THE IDEA OF HAVING A LIFT IN THE FRONT, BUT BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF AREA IT WOULD TAKE, UH, IT WAS DIFFICULT TO INCORPORATE THE, AS YOU'LL NOTE IN THIS PLAN, THE NEW PROPOSED RECEPTION AREA.
ASIDE FROM MAKING THIS AD ACCESSIBLE, THE OTHER BIG OVERRIDING CONCERN IS THE SECURITY VESTING.
AND FROM A FUNCTION POINT OF VIEW, IT WORKS BETTER NOT TO HAVE TO HAVE A LIFT IN A SECURE VEST.
YOU CAN'T DO ALTERATIONS TO THE INSIDE LEVELS BY DOING RAMPS OR SOMETHING INSIDE.
WELL, I MEAN THERE WE COULD, WE, WE HAVE A 13 INCH VERTICAL HORIZON SIDE AT A MINIMUM OF RAMP WOULD BE AT LEAST 13 FEET LONG.
THE DEPTH OF THIS ENTRY HALLWAYS IS NOT NEAR THAT DEPTH.
BY THE TIME WE CREATE THE SECURITY VESTIBULE, IT WOULD END UP BEING FURTHER BACK INTO THE MAIN CORRIDOR.
WE LOOKED AT THOSE OPTIONS, BUT BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF AREA WE WOULD TAKE, IT WOULD TAKE A ESSENTIALLY MORE AREA IN THE INSIDE THE BUILDING AND MAKE ALL THAT FUNCTION FROM A COST POINT OF VIEW.
THIS SEEMS TO BE COST POINT OF VIEW, THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY, COST EFFECTIVE WAY OF DOING WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO.
AND LIKE I INDICATED EARLIER, THE FRONT OF THE ENTRY, THESE LOW WALLS AND THESE, AND THE ENTRY INCLINED WALKWAYS WE'RE PROPOSING ARE IN FROM A DESIGN POINT OF VIEW, IN KEEPING WITH THE EXISTING EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
WE'RE PLANNING TO USE THE SAME MATERIALS, THE SAME DETAILING AND UH, AND MINIMIZE THE OVERALL IMPACT TO THE FRONT.
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AND, AND AS YOU NOTE ON THIS, THERE IS TWO INCLINE WALKWAYS WE'RE SHOWING AND THE REASON WE DID THAT IS BECAUSE THE ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING IS VERY SYMMETRICAL.SO WE WANTED TO CREATE A SYMMETRICAL ENTRANCE TO, TO COMPLIMENT WHAT WAS THERE.
COMMISSIONER REEVE WAS ALREADY WAVING AT ME.
I ACTUALLY WENT TO SCHOOL HERE AND THERE WAS, THERE IS AN INTERNAL, UH, UH, LIFT FOR A WHEELCHAIR DOWN BY THE AUDITORIUM, WHICH IS THE DOOR TO THE, IF YOU'RE FACING THE BUILDING TO THE RIGHT.
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NO, I, BASED ON THE DIRECTION WE WERE GIVING, GIVEN THIS IS WHERE, AS I INDICATED EARLIER, WOULD REQUIRE HAVING TO RELOCATE THE ADMINISTRATION OVER BY THAT OTHER ENTRANCE.
AND SO IT WAS DEEMED THAT THIS WOULD BE THE ENTRANCE THAT WOULD BE USED FOR THAT ELEVATOR SECURE VESTIBULE.
DOES, DOES YOUR DRAWING GO DOWN TO WHERE THE YES, IT DOES.
IT DOES GO DOWN TO HERE, CORRECT.
THERE AS FAR AS WE'RE AWARE, THERE IS NO LIFT AT THIS ENTRANCE.
WELL, I WAS THERE 60 YEARS AGO, SO
UH, YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE OVERALL PLAN TO DESCRIBE WHICH PARTICULAR WELL, NO, I I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE SCHOOL.
IT'S, IT, IT HAS MULTIPLE RAMPS TO GET IN.
WE, WE DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
THERE IS OTHER ENTRANCES THAT ARE A DA ACCESSIBLE AND THEY'RE NOT AT THE FRONT DOOR IN THE DEAD CENTER.
AND YOU'RE TALKING TO THE LADY WHO BROUGHT THIS DESIGNATION FORWARD.
SO I DON'T WANT YOU MESSING WITH MY FRONT DOOR.
UH, WE, WE ARE WANTING TO, LIKE I INDICATED BEFORE THE, THE, THE REASON THE SELECT THIS ENTRANCE WAS SELECTED WAS THE FACT THAT ALL THE OFFICERS ARE LOCATED HERE AND THE DIRECTIVES WE'VE GOTTEN TO IMPROVE SECURITY AT THIS FACILITY AND IT'S A DISTRICT WIDE DIRECTIVE TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE DESIGNED A, WE FEEL A SECURITY VEST THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE DISTRICT IS WORKING FOR.
AS I INDICATED EARLIER, WE TRY TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF THE FRONT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND UH, WE WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT BASED ON, WE WORKED WITH THE WORKFORCE COMMISSION TO ADJUST TO, UH, TO, TO DISCUSS SOME OF THE, UH, CONCERNS I HAD WITH THEM.
AND AS, AS INDICATED BY THE WORKFORCE COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS, WE THINK THE MET REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THE, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU IN ANOTHER DRAWING, COULD I, COULD YOU ASSURE ME THAT NONE OF THE CONSTRUCTION FOR THE BOND WILL BE GOING THROUGH THAT FRONT DOOR AS FAR AS WELL THE, THE BOND, THERE ARE BOND FUNDS THAT ARE GETTING READY TO BE USED ON THE SCHOOL.
CAN YOU ASSURE ME THAT THEY WILL USE OTHER ENTRANCES THAN THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE MAIN DEAD CENTER? I'M NOT SURE WE'RE ALLOWED TO ACTUALLY ASK ABOUT THAT.
'CAUSE BOND FUNDING, IT'S A DIFFERENT MM-HMM.
WELL WHAT I'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU IS WE DID, WE WERE, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT THE TASK FORCE COMMISSION HAD REQUESTED DURING OUR MEETING WITH THEM WAS TO, UH, SEE IF WE COULD FIND SOME INFORMATION, EITHER DRAWINGS OR, OR PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDINGS FROM, FROM ENTRANCES.
WE WERE NOT ABLE TO FIND ANY PHOTOGRAPHS.
THE OLDEST PHOTOGRAPHS WE COULD FIND BOTH THE 1980S, WHICH SHOWED THE EXISTING DOORS, THE EXISTING DOORS THAT ARE THERE NOW ARE NOT THE ORIGINAL DOOR.
UH, THEY, THE DOORS THAT THERE NOW ARE ACTUALLY METAL DOORS.
UH, THE, THE SIDELIGHTS AND, AND I CAN SHOW YOU IN SOME PHOTOGRAPHS AND SHOW YOU THEM.
SEE THIS PICTURE HERE, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE, THERE, THERE'S A SIDELINE ON EACH SIDE OF THE PAIR OF DOORS AND THEN THERE'S A TRANCE ABOVE IT.
THE SIDELIGHTS, THE FRAME OF THE DOOR AND THE TRANCE AMONG ALL WOOD CONSTRUCTION THAT'S BEEN PAINTED.
THE DOORS THEMSELVES ARE ACTUALLY STEEL DOORS ARE PAINTED.
AS YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, THE ALIGNMENT OF THE WINDOW OPENING DO NOT LINE UP AND THE DOORS DO NOT LINE UP WITH THE SIDE EFFECTS.
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THAT'S BECAUSE THESE ARE NOT THE ORIGINAL DOORS.UH, SO KEEP THIS IMAGE IN YOUR MIND AND I'M GONNA SHOW YOU A, AN IMAGE OF THE DRAWINGS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO FIND OF THE ORIGINAL.
THIS ELEVATION HERE THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN THIS RED BOX IS OF THE ORIGINAL DRAWING FROM THE 1930S.
AND I HAVE A BLOWUP OF THIS, BUT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE OVERALL ELEVATION.
I'M GONNA SHOW YOU A BLOWUP OF THAT DRAWING.
AS YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, THE LIGHT, THE WINDOWS, THE LIGHT WINDOWS IN THE DOOR LINE UP WITH THE TRANCE, THE SIDE LIGHTS ON THE SIDE, THE BOTTOM EDGE LINES UP WITH IT.
AND IN THE NEW PROPOSED ELEVATION, WE CLOSING, WE WERE PROPOSING TO USE THE SAME DETAILING AND THE SAME SPACING FOR THE WINDOW.
I AGREE THAT THE DOORS WILL BE SHORTER AND THE TRAM WILL BE SHORTER TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THE HEIGHT.
BUT THE INTENT IS THAT THE OVERALL LOOK BE THE SAME.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU, UH, AN IMAGE OF WHAT THOSE DOORS WOULD LOOK ON.
NONE OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE PROPOSING WOULD NOT PACK IMPACT ANY OF THE CAPSTONE ENTRANCE PIECES.
IT WOULD JUST BE AT THE DOOR ITSELF IN THE OPENING.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING DOORS AS THEY ARE NOW WITH THE EXISTING SIDE LIGHT AND TRANSIT.
THE LEFT IS A NEW PROPOSED DOOR AND THE SIDE LIGHTS AND THE TRANCE TO ACCOMMODATE THE FIVE INCHES AT THE FRONT AND THEN THE 13 INCHES INSIDE.
WE ADJUSTED THE HEIGHT OF THE TRAM ABOVE AND THEN ALSO ADJUSTED THE HEIGHT OF THE DOOR.
THESE EXISTING DOORS ARE SEVEN FOOT SIX AND NOW THEY'RE SEVEN FEET TALL.
AND THE REST OF THE HEIGHT IS ACCOMMODATED IN THE TRA AS YOU CAN SEE THE WINDOWS ON THE DOOR.
AND WE'RE PROPOSING A NEW WOOD DOOR TO MATCH THE SAME CONSTRUCTION AS THE NCE AND SIREN.
THE LIGHTS, THE PA LIGHTS IN THE DOOR AND THE LIGHTS IN THE SIDELIGHTS WOULD BE THE SAME.
AND THE DETAILING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING WITH THE NEW DOORS AND THE NEW LIGHT SIDELIGHTS AND THE FRAME SIMPLY WOULD BE THE SAME AS IT IS IN THE EXISTING WOOD SIDELIGHTS AND TRENDS.
THE INTENT IS TO MAKE IT ALL LOOK ORIGINAL BESIDES IN FACT, AS A LITTLE SHORTER.
THE IDEA IS TO KEEP THE HISTORICAL LOOK OF THE BUILDING AND NOT IMPACT THAT AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE.
ALRIGHT SIR, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UM, THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO KIND OF REPHRASE WHAT COMMISSIONER REEVES WAS GETTING AT.
I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
YOU'VE GOT THIS MANDATE TO HAVE THE SECURITY ROOM, YOU'VE GOT THE ISSUES OF THE UP AND DOWN.
YOU'VE GOT WHERE THE OFFICES ALREADY ARE.
I WANNA ASK YOU HYPOTHETICALLY, IF IT WERE THAT WE SIMPLY WOULD NOT IN A MILLION YEARS PASS THIS DESIGN YOU HAVE BROUGHT US TODAY.
I'M NOT SAYING WE ARE, WE'RE HYPOTHETICALLY, IF THERE'S NO WAY IT WOULD WORK, COULD YOU COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE? WE COULD.
THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT IT, IT WAS REQUIRES HAVING TO GO BACK TO THE REDESIGN, THE INSIDE OF IT.
SO THIS IS NOT THE ONLY POSSIBLE ANSWER IN THE WORLD IF WE REALLY DON'T LIKE THE ANSWER.
DID YOU HAVE FOLLOW UP FROM A COST POINT OF VIEW FOR REDESIGN? WE THOUGHT THIS WAS IT.
THIS IS THE MOST ECONOMICAL WORK.
AND, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE SCHOOL HAS TO CONSIDER ECONOMICS WITH FUTURE, WITH FUTURE WORK ON SCHOOLS.
WHEN THEY SENT YOU OUT A DIFFICULT PROJECT LIKE THIS, YOU MIGHT WANNA CONTACT THESE HELPFUL PEOPLE HERE WHO REALLY ARE VERY NICE
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, WHERE ARE YOU NEXT? HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN? OH, UM, YEAH.
I HAD A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, AT THE SECURITY VESTIBULE, JUST TO THE BOTTOM, IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THERE'S A THICKENED WALL.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO USE THAT AREA FOR A LIFT OR SOME KIND OF, UH, A DA ACCESS? ARE YOU BRINGING THIS IN, THIS DRAWING HERE? YES, SIR.
TO THE, WHERE THE EXAM ROOM IS THAT OR THE MEAN SECTION? YES.
THE DRAWING THAT I HAVE SHOWS IT, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE A FOUR FOOT WIDE AREA.
ARE YOU REFERRING TO THIS AREA RIGHT HERE? YES, SIR.
UM, WELL, THE, THE LIFT THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE WOULD BE, ACTUALLY NEED TO BE ON THE SIDE OF THE RECEPTION.
'CAUSE WE WANT THE PERSON WHO'S COMING TO THE FIND ENTRANCES REQUIRES ACCESS TO THE, ACCESS TO THE ENTRANCE HAS TO GO INTO THE RECEPTION AREA.
UH, SO IT NEEDS TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION.
SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? BASICALLY, LET ME GIVE YOU A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
WHEN A PERSON COMES INTO THE FRONT OFFICE, RIGHT HERE, WHERE MY HAND IS AT, THERE IS ACTUALLY AN INTERCOM.
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UH, A PERSON APPROACHING THE FRONT ENTRANCE WILL PUSH THE INTERCOM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A CAM CAMERA AT THE INTERCOM.THE RECEPTION DESK WILL SEE THAT PERSON AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT PERSON.
IF AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, RECEPTIONIST ALLOWS THE PERSON TO ENTER, THEY RELEASE THE FRONT DOOR LOCK ON THE FRONT DOOR, ALLOWS 'EM TO ENTER THE SECURITY VEST.
ONCE THEY GET INTO THE SECURITY VESTIBULE AND THE RECEPTIONIST FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH THEM, THEN THEY'RE ALLOWED TO ENTER THIS DOOR AFTER THE RECEPTIONIST RELEASES ANOTHER BUCKET TO ALLOW THEM TO COME TO THAT DESK.
ONCE THEY COME TO THE RECEPTION DESK AND, AND, AND DESCRIBE TO THE RECEPTION ASSISTANT WHY THEY'RE THERE.
IF THEY PICK UP A STUDENT OR VISIT A TEACHER OR WHOEVER THEY, WHAT THEY, WHATEVER BUSINESS THEY'RE DOING, THEN EITHER A STAFF MEMBER WILL COME TO THE RECEPTION DESK TO GREET THEM OR, AND THEN THEY'LL BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE THE RECEPTION DESK THROUGH THIS, THROUGH THIS DOOR, WHICH THE RECEPTION DESK ALLOWS THEM BY RELEASING ANOTHER BUTTON TO GET OUT THAT DOOR.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITIES THAT HAPPEN WITH THIS RECEPTION DESK.
SO IT'S, FROM A FUNCTIONAL POINT OF VIEW, IT'S BETTER TO ALL HAVE IT AT ONE LEVEL.
AND, AND, AND WE DID LOOK AT AN OPTION OF HAVING A LIFT IN HERE, AND IT WOULD HAVE TO HA THE LIFT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN ON THE SIDE WHERE THE NEW RESECTION DESK IS AT, WHICH IT REQUIRES HAVING TO MODIFY AND EXPAND THE RESECTION AREA OUT AND ADJUST SOME OTHER THINGS IN THIS AREA.
AND, UH, BUT TO YOUR QUESTION, IT, THE, THE LID WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THAT SIDE AND NOT THE OTHER.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING IF MAYBE IT COULD BE CUT INTO THE FLOOR SO THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DEMO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
HOPE YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION,
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? ANYONE AT HOME? I CANNOT SEE YOU.
COMMISSIONER REED, WE HAVE YOUR MICROPHONE ON BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T TURN IT OFF.
ANYONE AT HOME? ANYBODY HERE HAD ANOTHER IDEA? ALRIGHT, WELL, IF WE'RE DONE ASKING QUESTIONS THEN YOU KNOW WHAT? I NEED A MOTION, UH, TO MAKE THE MOTION.
YOU HAVE TO READ THE WHOLE YEAH, I'M GONNA READ THE WHOLE INTRO STUFF.
OH, YOU WANTED TO GET TO THE EXCITING PART FIRST.
OKAY, WELL NOW DO THE BORING PART, PLEASE.
UH, REGARDING 61 16 ER AVENUE, JL LONG, JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL, MIDDLE SCHOOL.
IT'S OH OH 5 0 0 5, EXCUSE ME.
UH, AND REMEMBER THEY DO HAVE THREE DIFFERENT REQUESTS, THE WINDOWS AND THEN THE ONES DEALING WITH THE WALL, WITH THE RAMPING THE DOOR.
WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE WINDOWS AND DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO INCLUDE GUARDING THE FRONT DOOR AND THE REASON FOR THE, UM, DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE, I THINK THEY CAN LOOK FOR ANOTHER LOCATION, BUT THE, IS IT THAT THE CURRENT ONE HAS A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON THE HISTORIC BUILDING? IT DOES
THE PROPOSED BOOK WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE STRUCTURE.
IT WILL HAVE A, THIS ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT AND THE PROPOSED BOOK WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON FUTURE PRESERVATION.
BUT THAT WAS BRILLIANT
I SECOND IT ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S VERY SERIOUS TO YOU, SIR.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON A SECOND.
ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS REGARDING THE PROJECT AND IN RELATION TO THE, UM, WHAT IS THE ISSUE THAT'S NOW IN FRONT OF OF US? WE DO, I HAVE A COMMENT.
MOTION COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, I'LL BE SUPPORTING, UM, THIS, UM, THIS MOTION.
UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO BE ABLE TO, UM, MESS BASICALLY, UM, MAJORLY, UH, DO THIS TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
UM, THAT'S JUST NOT IN PURVIEW OF THE, UH, OF THE WAY A PRESERVATIONIST WOULD TO GO ABOUT GOING THROUGH THIS.
I THINK THERE'S O OTHER ALTERNATES TO BE LOOKED AT AND THOSE SHOULD BE ALL
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EXHAUSTED AND EXPLORED, AND THEN WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THESE OPTIONS SO WE COULD ACTUALLY LOOK AT THESE AND MAKE THESE BOATS.UM, BUT, UM, MESSING WITH THE, THE HISTORIC FRONT DOOR OF ANY HISTORIC PROPERTY IS NEVER THE BEGINNING AND NOR SHOULD BE THE END.
UM, RAMPS AND LIFTS AND THESE THINGS OF THIS NATURE CAN ALWAYS BE FOUND IN OTHER LOCATIONS TO THE ENTRIES OF THE BUILDINGS IN MY, MY JUDGMENT.
AND SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION.
I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO CLARIFY THAT THE MOTION WAS INDEED THAT FOR REQUEST NUMBER ONE ABOUT THE WINDOWS, THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE FOLLOWING.
IT GOES AHEAD AND GETS APPROVED AND BOTH TWO AND THREE ARE THE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE FOR THE REASONS THAT YOU CITED.
SO I JUST, WE WANTED CLARIFICATION OF THAT.
UM, MR. ANDERSON, I WILL ALSO BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
I THINK THAT I AGREE WITH, UM, MR. CUMMINGS, THAT THERE IS ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE.
THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE.
THIS IS A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BUILDING.
IT, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE CREATING A WAY TO GET UP THE BUILDING TO GET DOWN THE BUILDING BY ANOTHER FRONT ENTRANCE.
YOU CAN EASILY GET INTO THE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK IT FROM THE INSIDE OR, OR ANOTHER ENTRANCE.
ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT COMMENT.
UM, AT LEAST TO PAGE NORTH, UM, THERE'S A RAMPED ENTRANCE THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SCIENCE LAB.
UM, AND I, I KNOW YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO COME IN ADJACENT TO THE, UM, ALL THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES OF THE, UH, OF THE SCHOOL ITSELF.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE PROXIMITY OF THAT LOCATION IS PROBABLY THE, THE NEXT BEST CONTENDER FOR THE, UH, FOR THE ENTRANCE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
UM, I, I DO PLAN TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION, BUT IT IS A DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE, WHICH MEANS YOU COULD COME BACK WITH THE SAME REQUEST YOU WANTED TO.
THE THING IS, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE MORE ARGUMENTS FOR WHY IT IS ABSOLUTELY THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU CAN ACHIEVE THE NEEDED GOALS.
AND THAT WOULD'VE TO BE VERY CLEAR TO US.
I THINK BEFORE WE MIGHT CHANGE OUR MIND.
THAT'S KIND OF THE CHALLENGE HERE.
ALWAYS WHAT YOU ARE ASKING TO DO WILL COMPROMISE THE APPEARANCE OF THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING AND THE EXPERIENCE OF ENTERING IT.
AND SO WE WOULD, IF WE, IF WE, IF WE APPROVE THIS MOTION, WHAT WE'D BE LOOKING FOR WAS PROOF THAT THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO MEET MODERN CURRENT NEEDS WITHOUT DOING THAT.
BUT WAY BETTER WOULD BE TO FIND A DIFFERENT ANSWER.
I THINK WE, WE'D ALL LOVE TO SEE YOU DO THAT.
THAT'S EASY FOR US TO SAY WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT
SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS MOTION? ARE WE READY TO VOTE? OKAY.
I'M GONNA CALL FOR VOTE ON THIS MOTION AND I HAVE NO IDEA HOW IT TURNS OUT.
PEOPLE WILL VOTE HOWEVER THEY WANT TO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
IT APPEARS THAT THIS MOTION HAS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY BECAUSE THERE ARE DENIALS IN HERE.
IT CAN BE APPEALED TO, UM, TO THE C-B-C-B-C-C-C-P-C.
IT'S NOT THE CBC, THE CPC, THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
CITY COMMAND COMMISSION REVIEWS OUR RULINGS PRIMARILY ASKING IF WE RULED REALLY WRONGLY.
UM, THEY WON'T IF WE ERR WELL WRONG, WE WERE WRONG.
UM, BUT WE HAVE MADE IT CLEAR THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER OTHER OPTIONS AND IF NO OTHER AVAILABLE WE WOULD CONSIDER THIS ONE.
BUT WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO INSTEAD WORK WITH STAFF AND US TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT PRESERVES THIS BEAUTIFUL BUILDING THAT IS APPARENTLY STILL MEANINGFUL OF PEOPLE WHO WENT THERE 60 YEARS AGO
AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT I HATE BICYCLE SCHOOLS, BUT IT, IT'S AN IMPORTANT BUILDING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE JUST LOVE TO SEE IT FUNCTION FOR ITS STUDENTS TODAY.
AND LOOK THE WAY IT NEEDS TO LOOK.
JUST THINK OF IT A LITTLE CHALLENGE FOR YOU.
COULD WE GO
THANK YOU BECAUSE THEY'RE EMAILING ME FRANTICALLY
UM, CHRISTINA PEREZ FOR STAFF.
UH, D THREE DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 3 7 20 LOWELL STREET, JUNIORS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 4 5 0 1 0 CP.
REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL RETAINING WALL AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FRONT YARD SLOPE AND FLAGSTONE IN THE PARKWAY.
RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL RETAINING WALL AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FRONT SLOPE AND FLAGSTONE IN THE PARKWAY BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 3.5 B, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4.501 G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES
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AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTINGS, NEIGHBORHOOD AND DISTRICT TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A RETAINING WALL AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FRONT YARD SLOPE AND FLAGSTONE THE PARKWAY BE APPROVED.OKAY, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, PRESENT IF YOU WOULD GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
UM, KATE CAMP SEVEN 20 LOWELL STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 4.
AND I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
AND YOU HAVE UH, THREE MINUTES FOR ANY COMMENTS FOR THE COMMISSION.
UM, I JUST WANNA SAY I LIVE ON THE SAME STREET AS THE FIRST APPLICANT AND KIND OF AS HE HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, ALL OF THE HOUSES ON OUR STREET, WE ARE ON THIS SLOPE, UM, TO GET UP TO THE HOUSE.
AND I MOVED IN ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
UM, HAVE TRIED TO REGROW THE GRASS THAT'S NEAR THE PARKWAY IN BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE SIDEWALK.
UM, I HAVE NOT HAD ANY LUCK AND UM, THE NEIGHBOR TO MY EAST CURRENTLY HAS SOME FLAGSTONE 'CAUSE HE SAID HE HAS TRIED FOR MULTIPLE YEARS AS WELL.
UM, SO HE HAS SOME FLAGSTONE AND SO RIGHT NOW ALL IT IS IS MUD AND DIRT AND PEOPLE ALWAYS WALK ON IT AND IT GETS ALL IN THE HOUSE.
SO WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO DO IS TO HAVE SOME GREAT CURB APPEAL AND AT THE SAME TIME WITH, WITH THE RETAINING WALL, BECAUSE WE ARE ON THAT SLOPE EVERY TIME IT RAINS AND THE GRASS DOESN'T GROW, ALL THE MUD FROM THE YARD FALLS DOWN INTO THE SIDEWALK.
AND MY STREET IS VERY BUSY WHEN IT COMES TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL DOWN THE STREET.
AND SO KIDS ARE CONSTANTLY WALKING ON THE SIDEWALK AND HAVING TO GO AROUND ALL THE MUD THAT COMES DOWN.
AND EVERY SINGLE SUNDAY I HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND SCRAPE IT UP AND GET IT.
SO I'M JUST HOPING THAT THIS RETAINING WALL WILL ACTUALLY HELP TO HOLD THAT BACK.
UM, THE STONE THAT I'M WOULD BE USING IS LUTER STONE, ONLY SIX INCHES TALL.
AND UM, I WOULD HAVE IT ABOUT TWO TO THREE INCHES IN THE GROUND.
SO ONLY ABOUT THREE TO FOUR OF IT WOULD BE STICKING UP.
AND THEN I ALSO CAN FOR THE PARKLAND IS THE SILVERMAN STONE.
UM, AND THEN AROUND THE TREES.
'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA CUT DOWN THE TREES OR HURT ANY OF THE ROOTS.
UM, I'M GONNA USE THAT SAME POLLUTER STONE JUST AROUND, UM, THE TREE TRUNK TO PRESERVE.
BASICALLY I'M JUST HELPING TO BEAUTIFY THE YARD AND MAKE IT LOOK A LOT BETTER THAN MUD.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO ANSWER.
SORRY, I'M THE CHAIR AND I WAS GONE WHEN YOU CAME
SO, UM, UH, COMMISSIONERS, WHAT, WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE OF OUR APPLICANT TO OUR CONCERNS TO ASK HER ABOUT WHETHER YOU COULD WORK ON THIS? COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS HAD A QUESTION.
UM, I WAS, UH, WONDERING HOW THE STONE RETAINING WALL WILL TURN AND GO BACK TOWARDS THE HOUSE.
UH, AND IN THAT LITTLE SPACE, UH, WHERE THE STEP CHECK CONCRETE, EXISTING STEP CHECK AND STEPS ARE, IS IT GOING TO TURN? I ASSUME IT IS, AND IF IT'S HOW WHERE'S IT GONNA BE LOCATED IN RELATIONSHIP OF THAT? IS IT GONNA SNEAK IN ON THE GRASS SIDE OF THE CONCRETE STEP CHECK? IS IT GONNA DIE INTO IT? I HOPE NOT.
UH, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT AND SHE'LL HAVE THIS LITTLE PICTURE UP HERE? YES.
UM, I'M, I'M TRYING OH, THAT'S THE NEIGHBOR.
SO YES, WHAT HE'S ASKING IS, LET ME ZOOM IT THROUGH.
YOU'RE ASKING RIGHT HERE, COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS? CORRECT.
WHERE THE ARROW AT THE TIP WHERE IT'S GONNA GO ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT? THAT'S WHERE THE TERMINATION YOU'RE ASKING RIGHT HERE? YEAH.
ON EACH SIDE, EACH SIDE OF THE WATERFALL.
SO IT WOULD GO RIGHT INTO THAT WATERFALL.
UM, ALSO ON EACH SIDE KINDA YOU CAN SEE UP A LITTLE WHERE THE OTHER POINTER IS.
I'M, I'M NOT PLANNING ON DOING IT YET, BUT I'D RATHER WHILE I'M HERE, GET APPROVAL FROM YOU GUYS IS JUST ACTUALLY ADDING A 20 INCH, UM, FLOWER BED.
SO THAT RETAINING WALL, YOU CAN SEE THAT LUTER WOULD ALSO GO AROUND THE EDGE.
UM, AND THAT JUST TO ADD BOXWOODS OR SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE.
I'M NOT PLANNING ON DOING THAT RIGHT NOW JUST FOR COST PURPOSES.
UM, BUT I WOULD ALSO JUST RATHER GET APPROVAL FROM THAT.
BUT YEAH, AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT LUTER WALL IS JUST GONNA GO UNTIL YOU GET TO THE STEPS.
UM, AND THEN IF I END UP USE DOING THAT FLOWER BED, IT WOULD ALSO GO UP UNTIL THOSE STEPS ON EITHER SIDE, IF THAT ANSWERS
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YOUR QUESTION, MR. CUMING.WHO ELSE HAD A QUESTION OF MS. ANDERSON? HAVE YOU CONSIDERED OTHER PLANT MATERIALS IN YOUR PARKWAY? I KNOW YOU CAN DO PY.
IN FACT, WE JUST HAD A GENTLEMAN FROM JUNIORS HEIGHT THROUGH THE LANDSCAPE EXPERT AND HE WAS PLANTING ASIAN JASMINE, I BELIEVE IT WAS, OR SOME GROUND COVER IN THAT KIND OF A
I DON'T WANNA, UM, DISTURB THE ROOTS OF THE TREE IF YOU KIND OF SCOOT THE PICTURE OVER.
AND ACTUALLY MY NEIGHBOR HAS ASIAN JASMINE THAT'S COVERING HIS FRONT YARD.
UM, AND IT'S MIGHT EVEN BE IN THE PHOTO BEFORE, UM, I WAS PLANNING AROUND THAT, THE ROOTS OF THE TREE OR LIKE THE BASE OF THE TREE TO POSSIBLY ADD ASIAN JASMINE.
UM, BUT SO MANY PEOPLE STEP INTO THAT PARKWAY GETTING INTO MY HOUSE AND PARKING THERE.
AND UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SCHOOL BEING RIGHT DOWN THE STREET, PEOPLE JUST STEP ON IT ANYWAY.
AND SO I DIDN'T WANT THAT PART TO ACTUALLY GET RUINED WITH THIS PEDESTRIAN THROUGH THERE.
SO I THOUGHT THIS WOULD LOOK VERY CLEAN AND NICE AND ACTUALLY KEEP PRESERVE THE TREE AS WELL.
OTHER QUESTION, COMMISSIONERS, IF WE, UH, NO MORE QUESTIONS.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTION? I QUESTION.
OH, WHO, WHO IS THAT ONLINE? IS THAT YOU COMMISSIONER? OFFICE, OFFICE, OFFICE? IT IS, UM, I WE'RE CALLING, YOU'RE CALLING THAT A RETAINING MODEL, BUT IT LOOKS, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, IT LOOKS MORE LIKE A SIMPLE EDGING IS, AM I MISSING SOMETHING? I GUESS YOU COULD CALL IT AN EDGING.
I'M JUST TRYING TO HAVE THE STONE THERE SO ALL THAT MUD DOESN'T FALL THROUGH.
SO RETAINING WALL OR EDGING, WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO CALL IT.
UM, MY LANDSCAPER CALLED IT A RETAINING WALL.
UM, SO I WAS JUST USING THE SAME WORDING THAT HE DID, BUT AN EDGING AS WELL.
IF, UM, IF CHRISTINA, IF YOU WANNA GO UP ON IT, YOU CAN SEE I'M PRETTY MUCH COPYING WHAT MY NEIGHBOR HAS AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT HIS LOOKS LIKE.
UM, HOW HIGH IS THAT? SO THE STONES ARE SIX INCHES, BUT THEY HAVE TO GO INTO THE GROUND TWO TO THREE.
SO ONLY ABOUT A THREE TO FOUR INCHES WILL BE COVERING IT.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF JUST SEE IT'S JUST LIKE A LITTLE BASE.
THAT, THAT DOES SOUND MORE LIKE SOME SORT OF EDGING THAN A RETAINING WALL.
WE PICTURE A COUPLE FEET WHEN HE SAY RETAINING WALL, SO YEAH, NO, NO.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, JUST LITTLE INCHES.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DID I MISS COVERING THE FLAGSTONE OR, AND THERE IS PICTURES OF THE FLAGSTONE AND ALSO SEE, UM, LOOTERS IN THAT AS WELL.
SO WHAT I'LL BE, WELL I DO, I THINK WHAT WE'RE ASKING MA'AM IS, IS YOUR ORDINANCE DOES SAY STONE IS OKAY, BUT THAT KIND OF FLAGSTONE IN THAT POSITION DOESN'T SEEM PARTICULARLY COMMON TO A HISTORIC NO NEIGHBORHOOD OF THIS NATURE.
OKAY, ANOTHER QUESTION REAL QUICK.
THE, I IN THIS PICTURE, I SEE THERE'S AN AREA AROUND THE TREE, WHAT GOES IN THERE? UM, I WAS PLANNING ON FILLING THAT WITH SOME A, THE JASMINE, ASIAN JASMINE, UM, IV.
THEN WHY CAN'T YOU DO ASIAN JASMINE IN THE ENTIRE PARKWAY? UM, I HAD TALKED TO MY LANDSCAPER AND HE SEEMS TO SAY THAT IT'S NOT GONNA GROW.
I JUST, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I HAVE TONS AND TONS OF PEOPLE THAT WALK ALL ALONG THAT FOR SCHOOLING AND THEY WALK ALL IN THE DIRT AND THEY WALK IN MY NEIGHBORS TOO.
SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO DO SOMETHING WHERE, UM, IT WOULD ALSO HELP THE PEDESTRIANS AND THEY WOULDN'T ACTUALLY SMUSH THE, UM, ANY TYPE OF FLOWER THINGS AND JASMINE THAT WOULD BE THERE.
GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER OFFIT, IF THE ORDINANCE SAYS, EXCUSE ME, STONE AND ANY OBJECTION SEEMS TO BE TO THE TYPE OF STONE, UH, THAT'S BEING REQUESTED, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF STONE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM? UM, TO CLARIFY, I MAY HAVE SOUNDED, I MAY HAVE MISSTATED, I MEANT THEY MENTIONED STONE FOR MAKING PATHS AND THINGS OUT OF, WE'RE ACTUALLY FILLING IN THE PARKWAY.
I DON'T THINK THEY ADDRESSED THAT
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THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHY, LIKE I SAID, THE EDGING AND OR RETAINING WALL OR FLOWER BEDS WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A BIG SITUATION FOR STAFF TO APPROVE.IT WAS MORE THE FLAGSTONE, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE PAST MEETINGS WHERE WE HAVE, WHERE THERE WAS COMPLETE OBJECTION TO ANY KIND OF STONE IN THE YARD.
SO STAFF FELT THAT THIS IS A, A COMMISSION APPROVAL WORTHY CASE JUST FOR THAT REASON? YES.
SO THE BIGGER ISSUE IS NOT WHAT KIND OF STONE IS GOING IN BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE STREET.
IT'S THAT ANY STONE WOULD BE PLACED BETWEEN THERE, THERE IS ALSO OTHER OPTIONS IF, IF WE THOUGHT A HARD SURFACE WORKS, PERHAPS LIKE BRICK OR SOMETHING.
MARCUS SAID HE HAS SEEN THAT IN OTHER PLACES.
BUT WE STILL COME DOWN TO THE ISSUE WITH KIND OF, DO WE PUT ANYTHING IN THERE EXCEPT PLANT MATERIAL? USUALLY NOT.
COULD WE MAYBE
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR MORE LIKELY IF YOU, IF WE'VE QUESTIONED THIS TO DEATH, THEN WE NEED A MOTION SO THAT WE CAN THEN DISCUSS AND TRY TO CLARIFY OUR THINKING.
SO MOTION, I, I HAD A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
WOULD, WOULD THEY BE WILLING TO CONSIDER ASIAN JASMINE WITH UH, MAYBE A SELECTIVE STONE STEP SO WHEN YOU GET OUT OF THE CAR, OCCASIONALLY THERE'S A STONE THAT YOU CAN STEP ON, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE AREAS ASIAN JASMINE, WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT WORK FOR YOU? UM, I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO BE OPEN TO THAT.
UM, MY ONLY THING IF I DO, LET'S SAY IF I DO DO ASIAN JASMINE FOR IT, AND SAME THING THAT YOU SAID WITH THE STONES, THE STEPPING STONES, IF IT ENDS UP NOT GROWING AND IT'S ACTUALLY NOT A GREAT SOIL AND BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE TREES AND IT DIES AND I'M KIND OF BACK AT SQUARE ONE THERE, OR AM I, DO I HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THIS PROCESS? AND IF IT'S NOT GONNA LIVE AND I DON'T WANT IT TO JUST BE MUD AGAIN, IF THAT MAKES SENSE, YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO, IF THAT'S THE WAY TO GO, TRY FIRST, I'M HAPPY TO GO THAT WAY.
UM, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT IT BE IN A SITUATION WHERE IT'S STILL ALL DEAD, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND HER CONCERN IS THE PEDESTRIAN.
UM, I GUESS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WALKING BACK AND FORTH TO SCHOOL? I HAVE KIDS, SO I KNOW THEY DON'T ALWAYS LOOK AT JUST THE SIDEWALK.
SO IF THERE IS GRASS OR GROUND COVER AND THERE'S A GROUP OF KIDS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA WALK THIS WAY INSTEAD OF THIS WAY.
SO HER CONCERN IS THAT SHE CAN PLANT SOMETHING, BUT IT'S JUST GONNA GET TRAMPLED UNLESS SOMEBODY'S OUT THERE WILL SAY, DON'T STEP ON THAT
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO THAT WAS WHAT A BIG CONCERN FOR PLANTING ANYTHING THERE TO BEGIN WITH.
ALRIGHT, IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, I NEED A MOTION FROM SOMEBODY.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE PERFECT MOTION.
IF WE DON'T LIKE IT, WE CAN VOTE IT DOWN AND TRY AGAIN.
BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A BASIS FOR OUR CONTINUING DISCUSSION.
OP, ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION? I AM.
UH, IN RELATION, UH, 7 2 0 WALL STREET, UH, CA 2 4 5 DASH 0 1 0 CP UH, I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE FOLLOW THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION IN APPROVING THE REQUEST FOR THE LANDSCAPE.
ALRIGHT? WE CANNOT PHRASE IT AS FOLLOWING TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
WE CAN ONLY DO THAT WITH STAFF.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT IT'S, YOU HAVE TO SAY IT WHAT YOU MEAN AS IF IT'S YOUR IDEA.
ALRIGHT, I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE REQUESTS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL THE STAIN WALL, BOTTOM OF THE YARD SLOPE AND THE FLAGSTONE IN THE PARKWAY BE APPROVED.
AND WOULD THE BASIS FOR THAT BE THAT YOU DO NOT SEE THAT IT WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? I DO NOT SEE THAT IT HAS AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
DO I HAVE A SECOND FOR THIS MOTION? WHO SECOND IT? COMMISSIONER FOGLEMAN.
ALL RIGHT, ANY DISCUSSION? CAN I COMMENT? YES, IT'S DISCUSSION TIME NOW.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE APPROVING, UH, THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE FLAGSTONE ON THE SURFACE OF THE PARKWAY.
RIGHT? MM-HMM,
I BELIEVE, UM, PUTTING FLAGSTONE SUCH AS BEING PROPOSED IS, UM, UH, UH,
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A BIT MUCH.UM, IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT ASIAN JASMINE BEING PUT IN HERE.
I THINK I, IF, IF THAT WAS ME, I WOULD BE LOOKING AT ASIAN JASMINE PUTTING IN THIS PARKWAY.
IT'S THRIVING IN YOUR NEIGHBOR'S YARD.
I BELIEVE IT WOULD THRIVE HERE.
AND ACTUALLY I HAD A HARD TIME GETTING RID OF A LOT OF IT, BUT, UM, I WOULD BE SUPPORTING SOMETHING IN THAT NATURE AND I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS, THIS MOTION BECAUSE THAT, I BELIEVE THE PARKWAY IS THERE, PUT IN THE CITY TO TRY TO GREEN UP THE, THE, THE PARKWAYS IN THE CITY, NOT TO HARDSCAPE THE PARKWAYS.
AND I, I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS THE RIGHT ANSWER.
I BELIEVE THERE'S OTHER ANSWERS OUT THERE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER? I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER CUMMINS.
SO YOU AGREE WITH MR. CUMMINGS? ALL RIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE WITH A COMMENT? ALRIGHT THEN THIS SHOULD BE INTERESTING.
I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE WILL GO ELECTION, HOW THIS VOTE WILL GO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
AND OF COURSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A COUNT ON THIS BECAUSE NO ONE CAN TELL.
I'M HAVING A GUESS, BUT WE DON'T KNOW.
UM, DISTRICT TWO COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY OPPOSED? DISTRICT THREE.
DISTRICT FOUR, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.
DISTRICT FIVE COMMISSIONER OPPE? YES.
UM, DISTRICT SIX, COMMISSIONER HOSA, NAY.
DISTRICT SEVEN COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON? YES.
DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER SPELL? YES.
DISTRICT 11 COMMISSIONER GAY NAY.
DISTRICT 12 COMMISSIONER ROTTENBERG.
UM, DISTRICT 13 COMMISSIONER PREZI NAY POP.
NONE, UH, NOSE AND FIVE YESES.
OKAY, SO THE MOTION HAS CARRIED AND WE'VE ALL LEARNED THAT NO ONE SHOULD HAVE CHOSEN YAY AND NAY IS THE TWO CLOSING ANSWERS BECAUSE IT JUST DOES NOT, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PRONOUNCE.
ALL RIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO NEED A DIFFERENT MOTION.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS FOR A DIFFERENT MOTION, BY THE WAY.
MAY I SUGGEST THE MOTIONS BE BROKEN OUT? MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE BROKE THEM OUT.
LIKE THE RETAINING WALL AND THE FLOWER BED DOES ONE AND THEN THE FLAGSTONE SEPARATELY.
SO SHE COULD AT LEAST MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT WAS MY SUBTLE POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT OH, YES AND ALL.
SO THERE AT LEAST SHE HAS SOME A PARTIAL APPROVAL.
COMMISSIONER? NO, YOU HAVE YOUR LIGHT ON.
UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 3 7 2 0 LOWELL STREET, UM, CASE NUMBER CA 2 4 5 0 1 0 CT.
THAT THAT THE, UH, UH, LET'S SEE.
FOR THE TWO REQUESTS THAT THE, UH, FLAGSTONE RETAINING WALL SLASH EDGING BE APPROVED AND THAT THE FLAGSTONE INFILL OF THE PARKWAY BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
ALRIGHT, ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSION AT THIS ONE? ARE WE READY FOR VOTE? I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT THE, THE EDGING AND OR RETAINING WALL ARE LUBER, NOT FLAGSTONE.
YOU, YOU SAID FLAGSTONE RETAINING WALL.
SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO HAVE IT CORRECT.
FLAGSTONE IS ONLY GOING IN THE PARKWAY.
THE OTHER THING ARE THE LOOTERS.
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ALL RIGHT.IN THAT CASE, I GUESS WE'RE READY TO CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED THIS MOTION.
SO THE MOTION HAS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
ALL RIGHT, MS. CAMP, UM, WHAT YOU GOT HERE WAS APPROVAL OF ONE THING AND A DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE OF ANOTHER.
DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE MEANS YOU COULD COME BACK AND ASK IT FOR THE SAME THING IF YOU WANTED, PARTICULARLY IF YOU COULD ADD ANY INFORMATION SUCH AS YOU FOUND SOME HISTORICAL PRECEDENT FOR HAVING HARDSCAPING BETWEEN YOUR SIDEWALK AND YOUR ROAD, THAT WOULD THEN REFUTE OUR ARGUMENT THAT IT'S NOT NORMAL TO DO THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD SHOW US SO THAT YOU COULD LOOK INTO, YOU COULD ALSO EXPERIMENT WITH A LITTLE BIT OF THE PLANTING AND SEE IF YOU CAN PROVE THAT IT JUST WILL NOT WORK CHILDREN BEING WHAT THEY ARE.
BUT, UM, IT'S UP TO YOU TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU WANNA DO.
IF YOU WANTED TO, YOU COULD APPEAL TO THE CPC, THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE'S A FEE FOR THAT.
AND THEY WOULD, UM, JUDGE WHETHER WE HAD SIMPLY RULED WRONGLY.
UH, SO IT WOULD, IT, YOU KNOW, PUT OFF ANY PAYING OF A FEE IF YOU WANTED TO TRY TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER WAY TO CONVINCE US OR ANOTHER IDEA THAT MIGHT WORK WELL OUT THERE FOR YOU.
AND I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE A DIFFICULT PROBLEM, AND I DO HOPE THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO FIND A SOLUTION.
I DO HAVE A, UM, ONE SUGGESTION TO MAKE.
THERE ARE, UH, MATERIALS TO HELP SUPPORT THE, UM, THE LANDSCAPE BELOW.
UM, IT BASICALLY FITS RIGHT BELOW GRADE.
UM, IT, IT COMES IN, UH, LIKE A METAL GRID AND OR PLASTIC GRID.
THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL PRODUCTS OUT THERE, BUT TO HELP, UM, UM, SUPPORT THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC THAT MIGHT STILL GO ACROSS THERE.
AND THEN, UH, THE INTRODUCTION OF YOUR EITHER L OR UH, OR ASIAN.
YES, I'VE HEARD OF THAT, THAT SORT OF THING MY NEIGHBOR USED.
SO THAT COOK CARE OF D THREE IS D EIGHT.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE NEED A BREAK?
WELCOME BACK TO THIS MEETING OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
WHAT DO WE HAVE UP NEXT? WE HAVE D EIGHT UP NEXT.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 80, NO, NOT 80 35 14 DUNBAR STREET, IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 4 5 DASH 0 0 7 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH A DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
A ONE CAR GARAGE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH A DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND ONE CAR GARAGE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 25 20 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT WINDOWS BE ALL ALUMINUM, NO CLADDING WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION OF ONE OVER ONE.
THAT HORIZONTAL SKIRTING BE APPLIED AND EXTENDED TO GRADE OR GROUND LEVEL ON ALL ELEVATIONS.
CONCEALING RAISED CONCRETE FOUNDATION THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE OF BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE THAT THE STEPS LEADING TO BOTH PORCHES IN THE FRONT AND THE BACK HAVE A TREAD OF 11 INCHES AND RISERS AT A MAXIMUM OF SEVEN INCHES.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHEAT PLACES PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.3 UNDER BUILDING SITE AND LANDSCAPING AND SECTIONS 9.2, 9.3, 9.7, AND NINE POINT 11 SUBDIVISION A PERTAINING TO NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH A DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A ONE CAR GARAGE BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION, THE PEER AND BEAM FOUNDATION WITH PERIMETER SKIRTING OF CORRUGATED STEEL BE USED.
ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER FOR THIS CEDRIC LOONEY.
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UM, MR. ROONEY AVAILABLE ONLINE.UH, WAS HE HERE EARLIER? HIS SIGNUP DOES NOT INDICATE HE INTENDED IT TO BE IN PERSON, BUT THERE'S NO ONE HERE,
OKAY, THEN I, I MOVE THAT WE TABLE THIS ONE AND TAKE THE NEXT ONE WHILE SOMEONE TRIES TO CONTACT HIM TO SEE IF THERE'S BEEN A PROBLEM.
UM, AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, MOVE D SIX UP.
DO WE HAVE TO VOTE TO TABLE IT? HIM
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE TABLE THIS ONE WHILE SOMEONE TRIES TO CONTACT HIM.
THAT SECONDED BY THE COMMISSIONER.
ALL RIGHT, NOW, COMMISSIONER
NOW I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE D SIX TO OUR, OUR NEXT CASE AS WE HAVE A SPEAKER FOR THAT, UH, ONLINE.
AND THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, SO WE ARE MOVING FORTH THEN WITH D SIX RIGHT NOW.
OH, ARE YOU READY? WE TAKE D SIX NOW I MADE THE MOTION TO MOVE D SIX FOR NEXT AGENDA ITEM AND COME THE SECOND.
OKAY, CHRISTINA PRESS ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 6 52 0 7 VICTOR STREET, MUNGER PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 4 5 0 1 6 CP REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT MAIN STRUCTURE THE BODY SW 76 19 LABRADORITE AND THE TRIM SW 28 29 CLASSICAL WHITE STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT MAIN STRUCTURE BODY W 76 19 LABRADORITE AND TRIM SW 28 29 CLASSICAL WHITE BE APPROVED WITH CONDITION THAT THE COLOR W 76 19 LABRADORITE IS CHANGED TO A COLOR THAT COMPLIES WITH THE, THE ACCEPTABLE COLOR RANGE STANDARDS CONTAINED IN EXHIBIT 97 G.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SEC SECTION 51 P 97 1 11 C ONE I ROMAN THREE CC THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, UH, NO QUORUM TASK FORCE COMMENTS, BUT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT MAIN STRUCTURE BODY W 7 6 1 9 LABRADORITE AND TRIM W2 8 2 9.
CLASSICAL WHITE IS HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALRIGHT, I SEE THAT WE HAVE LAUREN SAUNDERS, OUR, OUR SPEAKER, UM, HAS JOINED US.
YOU HEAR ME, MS. SAUNDERS? ALL RIGHT.
I NEED YOU TO TELL ME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
UM, 5 2 7 VICTOR STREET, AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
I THOUGHT YOU WOULD, BUT IT'S EXCEPT FORMALITY REQUIRED TO GO TO.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO DISCUSS YOUR PROJECT.
ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO TELL US THAT MIGHT HELP US MAKE A DECISION? YEAH, SURE.
UM, SO AS YOU ALL HEARD EARLIER TODAY, OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR HAD A FIRE, UM, WHICH IMPACTED OUR STRUCTURE ON THE, UM, NON-ST.
UM, AND AS A RESULT, WE NEED TO PAINT OUR HOUSE.
UM, WE PREVIOUSLY CONSIDERED IT AS WELL, JUST GIVEN THE LAST TIME IT WAS PAINTED.
IT'S PROBABLY BEEN MANY, MANY YEARS AND THERE'S A LOT OF SUN BAITING AND SOME PEOPLE TRIED TO PATCH THAT AND JUST DOESN'T LOOK AS GOOD AS IT COULD.
UM, SO AS PART OF THAT, WE WENT TO LOOK AT THE, UM, POTENTIAL COLOR OPTIONS.
I EMAILED CHRISTINA TO REACH OUT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT THE, UH, GUIDANCE ORDINANCE SAYS FOR COLORS, UM, AND WAS GIVEN THE GUIDANCE TO DO SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT METALLIC OR EXTREMELY FLUORESCENT.
SO, UM, WITH THAT I WENT TO SHARON WILLIAMS AND ASKED IF THEY HAD THE, UM, ACTUAL INFORMATION THERE TO SEE WHAT COLORS WERE ALLOWED.
SO DROVE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD
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AND SAW SEVERAL HOUSES THAT ARE A SIMILAR COLOR TO THE LABRADORITE COLOR THAT WE PICKED.UM, I KNOW ON THE BRIEFING THIS MORNING THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, ACTUAL PAINT CHIP AND SWATCHES.
I JUST, I'M PASSING, WE FOUND THEM.
THEY ARE ALL LOOKING AT THEM IN PERSON IN THEIR HAND.
AT LEAST THE COMMISSIONERS HERE.
SO THEY HAVE A GOOD PICTURE OF WHAT EACH COLOR WILL LOOK LIKE.
SO I MEAN, IDEALLY WE WOULD PICK THE COLLABORATIVE COLOR.
THE, UM, THE BREEZY COLOR THAT YOU MAY ALSO HAVE IS A VERY SIMILAR COLOR TO THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
THE, UM, ONE THAT WAS AFFECTED BY FIRE DAMAGE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS HOUSE IS LIKELY NOT GOING TO BE PAINTED ANYTIME WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR.
SO I THINK IT WOULD LOOK A LITTLE BIT FUNNY TO HAVE TWIN HOUSES.
UM, AND SIMILARLY, THE LABRADORITE COLOR IS A VERY SIMILAR COLOR TO THE HOUSE ON, UM, 5 0 0 7 VICTOR STREET.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S A DARKER ONE AT 5 0 1 5.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ISSUE WITH LABATE WAS IN TERMS OF THE, UM, COLOR OR IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT IF THERE'S ANY GUIDANCE THERE, THAT'S ALL I COULD TELL YOU.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS AS WE COMPLETE OUR, WE USUALLY ONLY ASK QUESTIONS NOW, BUT COULD I ASK IF WE COULD ALLOW A COMMISSIONER WHO IS REALLY GOOD AT COLOR TO GIVE THEIR OPINION FOR THOSE AT HOME THAT AREN'T ABLE TO SEE THIS CHIP? 'CAUSE WE HAD, WE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT COLOR IT WAS.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, WHAT IS YOUR VIEW OF THE COLOR NOW THAT YOU HAVE SEEN AN ACTUAL CHIP? I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT DARK.
AND I'VE, I'VE DONE A LOT OF PAINT COLORS OVER THE, LEMME TELL YOU, I I THINK IT'S, IT COULD BE A LOT DARKER.
WELL, YES, IT COULD BE BLACK AS NIGHT
BUT ON THAT, ON THAT SHEET, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WERE TOO DARK.
BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S, YES, IT WAS HARD TO TELL ON THE COMPUTER, BUT IT IS MUCH EASIER TO SEE ON THE PAINT SHIFT.
SO THE PEOPLE AT HOME KIND OF HAVE TO TAKE THE WORD FOR IT.
SO IN THAT CASE, UNLESS SOMEONE HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION OF IT, DOES ANYBODY READY TO MAKE A MOTION OR DO WE NEED TO, UM, I HAVE A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER? YES.
IN REGARD TO DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 6 52 0 7 VICTOR STREET OF THE MUNGER PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT CASE NUMBER CA 2 4 5 DASH ZERO 16 PI MOVE THAT WE APPROVED THE ITEM SUBJECT TO STAFF RECOMMENDATION SEVEN.
WAIT, UH, NOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION DID NOT APPROVE THIS COMPANY.
THAT'S JUST BASED ON MONELL, BUT YOU GUYS ARE FREE TO DO SO.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE WERE DOING THIS.
OKAY, SO THEN, UM, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE IT PER TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
HEY, HOLD ON, HOLD ON A SECOND.
I HEARD ALL Y'ALL EARLIER TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS THAT WE AGREE WITH THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
THE COLORS LISTED HEREIN ARE APPROPRIATE AND ARE NOT AN ADVERSE EFFECT TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND IS COMMISSIONER RAVES THINK IT'S TIME TO CALL.
I JUST WANNA ASK, UH, ATTORNEY, CAN WE ACTUALLY PUT TASK FORCE BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY DID, HAD NO QUORUM.
SO THERE WAS NOT AN ACTUAL VOTE SUPPORT.
HE, HE WENT, HE WENT ON TO SAY, SAY THE REST OF WHY.
SO, BUT WE CAN STILL INCLUDE THAT BASED ON TASK FORCE.
HE WAS JUST SAYING, WE AGREE WITH THE TASK FORCE.
THEY SAID, ALL RIGHT, LET'S VOTE ON THIS.
I HOPE YOU LOVE THE WAY YOUR HOUSE TURNS OUT, MAN.
FOR WHAT WE TAKE NEXT, HAVE WE MANAGED TO CONTACT OUR MISSING SPEAKER? I DID.
IS HE ON, HE THOUGHT IT WAS TUESDAY BECAUSE IN SEPTEMBER IT WAS TUESDAY.
I I FEEL LIKE IT'S TUESDAY RIGHT NOW.
JUST FYII GOT A TEXT THAT FOR 49 10.
THERE'S SOMEBODY WAITING ONLINE.
THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE I KNEW THEY WERE THERE.
WELL, WE WERE NOT AWARE OF YEAH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT YOU WERE GOING TO ALLOW WITHOUT.
I'M, I'M, I THINK IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO HAVE A SPEAKER, SO WE NEED TO NOT HAVE ABOUT THAT.
HE'S ON ALL WE SEE THAT MR. LOONEY IS ON, BUT WE DO NEED TO ACTUALLY SEE HIM PER STATE LAW.
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AT LEAST STAFF CAN SEE THE SQUARE THERE.YES, WE WILL LET HIM WRESTLE WITH THE PROGRAM.
I'M GLAD YOU WERE ABLE TO JOIN US.
WE OFTEN GET CONFUSED TOO ABOUT WHEN WE'RE HAVING THIS MEETING, WHEN WE CHANGE BACK AND FORTH LIKE THAT.
PLEASE START BY STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
MY HOME ADDRESS IS 6 0 5 ATTERBURY LANE, LANCASTER, TEXAS.
THE HOUSE I WILL BE PRESENTING TODAY IS 35 14 DUNBAR STREET.
AND I HAVE TO ASK YOU TO SWEAR, AFFIRM, OR PROMISE THAT YOU'LL TELL THE TRUTH.
NOW, A LITTLE BIT OF BOOKKEEPING, I HAVE TO VERIFY, DID WE ACTUALLY READ THIS INTO THE RECORD OR DID I JUMP AHEAD? I THINK I READ IT INTO THE RECORD.
OKAY, SIR, WHAT I NEED YOU TO DO IS YOU GET THREE MINUTES NOW TO TELL US ANY FURTHER INFORMATION THAT MIGHT HELP US UNDERSTAND YOUR PROJECT OR WHY YOU WANNA DO IT THE WAY YOU WANNA DO IT.
DO I NEED TO SHARE MY SCREEN TO SHOW YOU? UH, THEY CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT? YES.
THIS PROPERTY HERE IS 35 14 DUNBAR.
UH, IT IS APPROXIMATELY FIFTEEN SIXTEEN HUNDRED AND FORTY SIX SQUARE FEET OF LIVING SPACE.
UM, IT SITS, UH, RIGHT BETWEEN, UH, 35 12 AND 35 16 DUNBAR.
I HAVE, UH, I BELIEVE THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I HAVE, UH, PRESENTED THIS, UH, UH, PROPERTY.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT HAS THE, UH, THE, UH, EIGHT INCH COLUMNS ON THE FRONT PORCH WAS SIX.
WAS SIX, WHICH SIX SITS SIX FEET.
UH, FROM THE, UH, UH, THE FRONT DOOR AREA AS, UH, PATTERN ONE 17, UH, UH, PANELS ON THE FRONT FLOOR IS, UH, 18 INCHES ABOVE, UH, ABOVE GRADE.
AND DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? UH, YES.
COMMISSIONERS, WHO WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THIS PROJECT? WE HAD SOME THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
MR. ANDERSON GOT HIS LIGHT ON FIRST.
THE, UM, YOU CAN'T HAVE A COMMENT.
NOW,
WHAT, WHAT, UH, IS THE WIDTH OF THOSE TWO FRONT WINDOWS? THEY, THEY LOOK RATHER WIDE.
UH, THE WIDTH OF THE TWO FRONT WINDOWS, LET ME SEE, LET'S SEE WHICH ONES THEY ARE.
THEY'RE GS SO THEY'RE 40 50, SO THEY'RE FOUR FOOT FIVE INCHES.
IS IT FOUR FEET BY FIVE FEET? UH, THREE FEET BY LEAST FOUR INCHES BY CALCULATION.
WOULD YOU HAVE A QUESTION? WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED ON MAKING THE WINDOWS, UM, A LITTLE NARROWER, NOT FOUR FOOT WIDE? UM, AND IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET SOME
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NICE DAYLIGHT INTO ONE OF THOSE WORMS OR OR TWO, YOU COULD CONSIDER DOING A GANG OF, UH, EVEN A LITTLE BIT SMALLER WINDOWS.AS LONG AS THE MULIAN IN THE CENTER IS SUBSTANTIAL, EIGHT TO NINE INCHES, UH, WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED ON REDUCING THE WIDTH OF THOSE WINDOWS? WELL, LET ME CONFIRM WHAT THEY ACTUALLY ARE.
'CAUSE I BELIEVE THEY'RE, THEY ARE THE STANDARD SIZE, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE OVERSIZED ONES.
THEY PRETTY MUCH SHOULD CONFORM TO WHAT THE, UH, WHAT, WHAT THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS.
UH, COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, IS THERE A IDEA OF A SIZE THAT YOU HAVE IN MIND THAT SEEMS LIKE THE APPROPRIATE SIZE? WELL, I JUST, I'D REDUCE IT BY AT LEAST SIX INCHES.
UM, I'D GO TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 3.0 OR, OR, UM, YEAH, I'D, I'D BE LOOKING AT REDUCING IT BY SIX TO 12 INCHES, KIND OF DEPENDING ON IF YOU HAVE A GANG AT TWO.
UM, SO, SO NOW WE'LL GO OVER TO, TO COMMISSIONER RENE, BUT WE DO WANNA SETTLE WHAT SOMEDAY, WHAT SIZE WE THINK IT OUGHT TO BE, COMMISSIONER? NO.
UM, REGARDING THE FRONT COLUMNS, THEY'RE SHOWN AS EIGHT INCHES IN DIAMETER.
I WAS WONDERING IF THE APPLICANT WOULD BE WILLING TO LOOK AT, UM, SQUARE COLUMNS INSTEAD OF ROUND.
UM, SECOND ITEM IS, I WANTED TO CONFIRM IF THE, UH, 'CAUSE I BELIEVE THIS WAS THE SIDE ELEVATION THAT I COULD BE WRONG, THAT SHOWED, UM, UH, A CLOSED SOFFIT RATHER THAN, UH, THE RAFTER TAILS.
UM, AND THEN THE THIRD WAS TO, UM, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ADD SOME TRIM AROUND THE, UH, THE FRONT VENT THAT'S IN THE FRONT GABLE? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MISSING SOME TRIM.
THE TRIM AROUND WHAT THE, THERE'S A VENT IN THE GABLE ON THE FRONT PORCH AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY OVER.
PERHAPS THE TASK FORCE SAID THAT.
DO YOU? YEAH, GENERALLY WE SHOULD HAVE TRIM, GENERALLY ANY FENESTRATION, ANY, ANY, UH, OPENING THROUGH A WALL, UH, WHETHER IT BE A WINDOW OR DOOR OR A LOUVRE HAS A TRIM SO THAT THE, THE SIDING HAS SOMETHING TO, TO COVER UP THE, THE JUNCTURE AND, AND THAT'S WHAT THE TRIM DOES.
SO, UM, YEAH, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO ADD THAT TRIM AROUND THE LURE.
AND ON THE COLUMNS, I DON'T THINK I HEARD WHETHER YOU WOULD CONSIDER GOING TO A WEAR COLUMN.
ARE THEY ROUND? NO, THEY WOULD BE, THEY WILL, THEY WILL, THEY WILL BE EIGHT INCH SQUARE COLORS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANT OR STAFF? ANYONE AT HOME? UH, I, I HAVE A COMMENT AND A QUESTION, I GUESS.
UH, THIS COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON, UM, FIRST I WANT TO THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON, LET'S TRY TO MAKE EVERYTHING SOUND LIKE A QUESTION.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M APPRECIATIVE OF, OF THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE ON THIS, ON THIS, UM, ON THIS PROPERTY.
UM, I GUESS MY QUESTION, YOU KNOW, AND I SAW THE GARAGE, UH, UP UPDATE HERE, AND I GUESS
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MY QUESTION WAS WHAT YOU WERE THINKING AROUND FENCING FOR THE LOT OR HAVE YOU EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? OR HAVE YOU EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? FENCING.THERE'S, THERE IS A FENCING ON THE LEFT SIDE, UH, ALREADY AND THERE IS A ANOTHER, UH, DRIVEWAY RIGHT ON THE, UH, RIGHT SIDE.
SO MY DRIVEWAY WOULD MEET UP WITH THE DRIVEWAY RIGHT, RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF FENCING WOULD BE APPROPRIATE ON THAT SIDE SINCE THE TWO DRIVEWAYS ARE SIDE BY SIDE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING MORE DAMAGE.
YEAH, IT WOULD GET MORE DAMAGE THAN IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T
UH, AND, AND EVERYONE NOTE THAT IF THE FENCING IS NOT IN OUR PACKAGE TODAY, IT IS NOT PART OF THE REQUEST AND THEREFORE IT'S NOT GETTING ANY DECISION MADE ON IT.
SO WHAT WAS JUST DISCUSSED, WE WOULDN'T BE VOTING ON TODAY.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR IS THERE A MOTION? MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, UH, THE ADDRESS 35 14 DUNBAR STREET, CASE NUMBER CA 2 4 5 0 0 7 RD.
THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO, UM, APPROVE WITH THE FOLLOWING WITH THE CONDITIONS AS STATED BY STAFF WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT THE ROUND COLUMNS ARE CHANGED TO SQUARE COLUMNS, THAT EIGHT INCHES, UH, SQUARE, THAT TRIM IS ADDED AROUND THE FRONT LOUVER IN THE GABLE SECOND.
UH, AND THAT CONCLUDES THE CONDITIONS.
DID WE HAVE A SECOND? SORRY, I GOT SECOND.
WHO WAS THE SECOND? I NEED THE NAME OF THE PERSON WHO SECONDED IT FOR THE RECORD.
ALRIGHT, ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSION MR. ANDERSON? YES, I'D LIKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IF THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I CAN GET IT DONE.
UM, THE BEAM EXPRESSION SHOULD NOT BE NOVELTY SIDING.
IT SHOULD BE A SOLID BOARD, WHICH IS THE SPACE BELOW THE, UM, THE DENTALS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PLACE RIGHT ABOVE THE COLUMNS OF THE PORCH.
UH, AND IS THE MAKER AMENABLE TO THIS? YES, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
AND, AND IS COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON ALSO AMENABLE TO THIS AMENDMENT? UH, YES.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, THEN I CALL ON THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE? CAN I, CAN I SAY ONE THING? I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, AN, OH, WELL, ACTUALLY NO, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY ANY RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, OKAY.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
I'M, I'M GONNA BE OPPOSING, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT 'CAUSE I WAS WANTING TO SEE THOSE WINDOWS SMALLER.
ALRIGHT, WELL IT SEEMS TO HAVE PASSED
SO YOU, YOU HAVE HAVE RECEIVED THIS JUDGMENT AND I, AND I WISH YOU WELL WITH YOUR ALL.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS WAS ALRIGHT.
WE HAVE, UM, TWO ADDITIONAL PEOPLE WHO ARE AVAILABLE TO COMMENT ON D TWO AND D FIVE ARE RATHER TWO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONING AND APPARENTLY I HAVE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO HAVE THEM COME MOVED NOW TO THIS SPOT IN THE AGENDA BECAUSE THEY HAD NOT SIGNED UP PREVIOUSLY AND I HAD INDICATED THAT I PREFERRED HAVING THEM ABLE TO COME DISCUSS THEIR PROJECT.
SO I MOVE THAT D TWO AND D FIVE BE TAKEN NEXT IN ORDER AND THAT THE, UM, THE LATE SIGNING UP SPEAKERS BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK.
SECOND IS, COMMISSIONER PRECIO IS IN FAVOR.
THE NAME OF THE SPEAKER, YOU'LL HAVE TO FIND OUT FOR ME WHEN WE GET THERE.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 2 7 18 GLENDALE STREET, JUNIORS HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 4 5 0 0 8 CP.
REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL FENCE IN FRONT YARD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL FENCE IN FRONT YARD BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH
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PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 3.681 AND TWO, THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL FENCE IN FRONT YARD BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE PER SECTION 3.6 0.2 TASK FORCE COMMENT.SPECIAL RECOMMENDATION CAN ONLY BE MADE BY THE LANDMARK COMMISSION, NOT THE JIMMY HEIGHTS TASK FORCE.
ALL RIGHT, SO NEXT WE NEED TO HEAR FROM OUR SPEAKER WOULD BE LESLIE AND I BELIEVE I KNOW HE'S DEFINITELY ON.
OKAY, WELL ONE TO TIME, UH, IS LESLIE NETVIEW ON? YES, IT'S ALL BUT OKAY.
I NEED YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
LESLIE NVU SEVEN 18 DUMAS, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 4.
AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
ALL RIGHT, AND THEN YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO DISCUSS THIS PROJECT FOR US.
WE'VE ALREADY GOT APPROVAL FOR.
THE RED IS IN FENCE, IN QUESTION.
UM, CAN SEE, UH, THIS AREA IS THE AREA, THE EXISTING FENCE THAT'S NOT BEEN TAKEN DOWN YET.
UM, THAT'S IN FRONT OF THAT 50% LINE.
UM, IT DOES NOT GO PAST THE FRONT PORCH LINE CURRENTLY.
UM, HERE'S A BETTER PICTURE OF THE DRIVEWAY SIDE.
UM, THIS, THE VERTICAL YELLOW LINE IS AT 50%, OR SORRY, IS FIVE FEET BACK FROM THE FRONT PORCH LINE.
SO WE'RE ASKING TO MOVE THAT IN FRONT OF THE, THIS THING OF WINDOWS SO THAT WE'RE NOT, UM, CHOPPING OF THOSE WINDOWS.
UM, AND THIS FENCE IS ONLY, UM, AN EXTENSION OF THIS DRIVEWAY FENCE.
THERE'S NO HORIZONTAL, UH, FENCE OR COVERING HERE.
THE, UM, SWINGING GATE IS BACK AT FURTHER AT THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT SIDE.
UM, WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT THE FENCE, UM, WHERE IT IS SHOWN HAS BEEN BUILT.
UM, IT IS AT, UM, AT THE END OF THIS DINING ROOM BUMP OUT THE, UM, 50% LINE IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS, UM, SET OF WINDOWS.
SO WE'RE ASKING TO MOVE IT OUT TO THE EDGE, UM, TO ENCLOSE THOSE SET OF WINDOWS WITHIN THEIR BACKYARD.
AND, UM, ON THEIR BLOCK FACE, THEIR DIRECT NEIGHBORS HAVE A FENCE THAT'S WITHIN THAT FIVE FEET FROM THE PORCH LINE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS ONE WAS, UM, DONE WITH APPROVAL.
UM, AND THEN AT 7 0 4, UM, A FEW HOUSES DOWN, UM, THE YELLOW ONE, THIS, UM, METAL FENCE WAS APPROVED BY LANDMARK A FEW YEARS AGO.
UM, AND IT IS, UM, WITHIN THAT FIVE FEET OF THE FRONT OF THE PORCH SO THAT IT ENCLOSES THAT WINDOW, UM, AS WELL.
AND THEN THE HOUSE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM SEVEN 18 IS SEVEN 19 AND THEY ALSO HAVE A FENCE, UM, THAT'S FIVE FEET FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
UM, SO JUST TO REMIND YOU, WE'RE NOT ASKING TO ENCLOSE THE DRIVEWAY HERE.
WE'RE JUST ASKING TO EXTEND THE NEW FENCE OUT TO THIS LINE, WHICH IS, I BELIEVE FOUR FOOT THREE FROM THE EDGE OF THE PORCH.
THAT WAS THREE MINUTES EXACTLY.
UM, DID WE SAY WE ALSO HAD A SECOND SPEAKER? OH NO, ACTUALLY SHE WAS WITH THE OTHER ONE.
SO WE HAVE THREE ON THE OTHER ONE.
SO WHAT QUESTIONS DO COMMISSIONER HAVE ABOUT COMMISSIONER? COMMISSIONER REEDS 13TH.
OKAY, SO THE, UH, FENCE IN THE PICTURE THAT YOU JUST SHOWED, IS THAT, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER'S FENCE OR IS THAT THE NEIGHBOR'S FENCE? IT'S, I'M NOT POSITIVE.
UM, IT SITS ON THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE BOTH, UM, OF THAT.
SO, SO WOULD YOU JUST PUT A NEW FENCE IN FRONT OF IT OR WOULD YOU TAKE DOWN THAT FENCE AND
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INSTALL THE CONTINUATION OF THE FENCE FURTHER BACK IN THE PROPERTY? WE WOULD TAKE IT DOWN AND REPLACE IT WITH THE NEW FENCE THAT'S SEEN BACK FURTHER.COMMISSIONER REEVES? YES, COMMISSIONER, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
WHILE MARCUS IS DISTRACTING ME.
IF WE GET APPROVAL TO EXTEND IT OUT TO THIS POINT, WE WOULD TAKE ALL, ALL OF THIS, UM, OLD FENCE DOWN.
UH, AND WHAT STAFF, ONE STAFF MEMBER WAS ASKING IS IF WE DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS THE FENCE, YOU MIGHT WANNA TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBOR
I'M NOT SURE WHO THE FENCE BELONGS TO.
WELL, EVERYONE'S CONFUSING ME RIGHT NOW, BUT YES, IF WE DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS THE FENCE, THEN THAT COULD RAISE AN ISSUE.
ANY OTHER, WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? QUESTION SECTION WAS THE FENCE THAT WE, THE UGLY FENCE AT THE FRONT, WAS IT THE SAME UGLY FENCE AT THE BACK THAT YOU ALREADY REPLACED? SORRY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
WELL, THERE'S A PRETTY FENCE AT THE BACK AND THERE'S AN UGLY FENCE AT THE FRONT.
DID YOU RE, DID YOU REPLACE THE UGLY, DID THE UGLY FENCE GO ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK? YES, YES.
AND THEY, THEY JUST, UM, WERE DOING SOME OTHER CONSTRUCTION AND HAD THE NEW FENCE THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED ALREADY, UM, BUILT TO THOSE LOCATIONS.
SO WHOEVER OWNED THE FENCE, OWNED THE BACK PART FENCES TOO, PROBABLY.
THAT WAS OKAY, SO IT IS, IT'S THIS HOMEOWNER.
AND THAT WAS APPROVED BY ROUTINE.
AND I JUST NOTICED WHEN YOU SHOWED THE PICTURE FOR THE DINING ROOM SIDE THAT THE FENCE WAS ALREADY BUILT TO ENCOMPASS THE BUMP OUT, EVEN THOUGH IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ONLY AT THE 50% MARK.
AND I JUST, UM, FOUND THAT OUT TODAY.
I I JUST NOTICED THAT 'CAUSE THEY WERE ONLY SUPPOSED TO DO UP TO THE 50% MARK.
UM, HERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WAS THAT IS THE ONE I HAVE? YES.
SO MY QUESTION THEN IS FOR STAFF, IF YOU, IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT OTHER PICTURE, YOU'RE, YOU WERE JUST LOOKING AT MM-HMM?
ONE DOWN FROM THE FRONT OF THE ONE.
THE ONE ON THE SIDE BY THE SIDE? YES.
SO THAT ALL IS NEW FROM THAT PART DOWN THERE? NOT THE SIDE, BUT THE, THE HORIZONTAL YES.
THAT THAT PART IS, THAT PART IS, YES.
AND THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AT 50% LINE, NOT AT THE END OF THE BUMP OUT 'CAUSE GOT IT.
THAT'S WHAT'S IN QUESTION NOW.
AND THAT'S WHY SHE'S ADDING, THAT OTHER PART WAS ALREADY EXISTING.
IT WASN'T EXISTING UNTIL A COUPLE NO, THE FENCE, THE FENCE THAT INTERSECTS WITH THAT WAS EXISTING.
ALRIGHT THEN MS. ANDERSON OFFIT, I BELIEVE THAT WAS, WAS THAT COMMISSIONER OFFIT? YES.
I I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION AGAIN, IF THEY TAKE DOWN THE OLD FENCE, THEN THEY HAVE, THEY YES.
THEY REMOVE, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE TO COME CURRENT, WHICH WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM TO PUT THAT FENCE BACK UP LIKE IT IS CURRENTLY.
BUT THEY COULD SIMPLY REPAIR THE CURRENT FENCE, IS THAT CORRECT? IF IT'S GRANDFATHERED IN, YES, THEY COULD PUT IT BACK UP AS IT IS NOW IF IT WAS APPROVED BY COMMISSION, BUT NOT BY STAFF
UM, THE FENCE YOU WANNA PUT UP, THE ONE ON THE DRIVEWAY SIDE IS THE PURPOSE THAT THE, THE NEIGHBORS ARE LOOKING AT YOUR HOUSE? I, I, THERE'S NO, NO RETURN.
SO IT'S NOT A SECURITY ISSUE, IS IT A WHAT, WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THE FENCE? YES.
YOU CAN SEE IF THE FENCE WAS DOWN, YOU COULD SEE FROM THIS ROOM INTO THEIR ROOM.
HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF MAYBE SOFTENING WITH LANDSCAPING? THAT WOULD BE LESS THAN, I MEAN, THE, THE FENCE IS SOMETHING NOT ALLOWED, BUT I MEAN, WE COULD APPROVE IT, BUT I THINK LANDSCAPING WOULD BE A BETTER ANSWER IF THAT.
HAS THAT BEEN CONSIDERED OR NOT? WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT IT WITH THE HOMEOWNER, NO.
WELL I I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE WHERE THEY WENT AHEAD AND BUILT THAT FENCE.
UM, THEY, THEY REALLY DON'T WANT THAT BUMP OUT ROOM TO BE ACCESSIBLE.
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REASONING? YES, THEY, UM, THE NEIGHBORS ON THIS SIDE, THEY'VE HISTORICALLY HAD SOME, UM, SECURITY ISSUES WITH AND THEY, SO THEY WANTED TO AT LEAST ENCLOSE THIS DINING ROOM.BECAUSE THEY ARE PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT A BREAK-IN VIA THE DINING ROOM OR FOR VISUAL PRIVACY.
UM, IT, IT REQUIRES A, A VARIANCE TO MOVE IT THAT FAR FORWARD AND AS CONSTRUCTED, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO IMAGINE HOW AWKWARDLY IT INTERACTS WITH THE BRACKET.
IF WE SAID IT COULD HIDE THOSE WINDOWS, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A BETTER WAY OF, UM, INSTALLING IT THAT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THAT? UM, AT ORDER, IF IT WAS, UH, CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT, HOW TALL WE'VE REQUESTED IT TO BE.
IF IT WAS EIGHT OR NINE FEET, I'LL LOOK IT UP RIGHT QUICK.
UM, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, LOWER IT TO BE RIGHT BELOW THAT BRACKET THAT THAT IS ONE POSSIBLE IDEA, UM, AT LEAST ON THE FRONT FACE OF IT.
AND HOW FAR AHEAD OF THE 50% MARK IS THAT PIECE? IS THAT FIVE FEET? I THINK YEAH, LOOKS ABOUT FIVE.
UM, BA I'M RECALLING AN EMAIL SOMEWHERE AND I FEEL LIKE IT WAS FIVE FEET.
UM, YEAH, NORMALLY WHEN WE'VE GOT A FENCE LIKE THAT FORWARD OF WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, WE DO ASK THEM TO HAVE IT OPEN.
I REALIZE THAT ELIMINATES THE VISUAL PRIVACY THING.
I'M HAVING TROUBLE SEEING HOW THAT TINY NARROW AREA YOU COULD LOOK DOWN AT AND SEE IN THE WINDOW.
OR IS IT THAT PEOPLE COME DOWN THERE AND PEEP IN THE MIRROR WINDOWS? I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS OF THEIR OKAY.
'CAUSE I'M, I'M LOOKING FOR A SUPPORTING REASON TO
NOW IF ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, PLEASE QUESTION LET KNOW.
HAVE THEY EXPLORED WOOD BLINDS, CURTAINS OR CAFE CURTAINS?
ANY OTHER QUESTION? BECAUSE IF NOT, WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS.
IF SOMEONE HOLDS MY HAND, MAKE SURE I DON'T DO THIS WRONG.
UM, I WAS GONNA MAKE, MAKE A MOTION TO A APPROVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
UM, AND IT'S THE ONLY THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THIS FENCE AND ITS LOCATIONS, RIGHT? WHAT DO I NEED TO READ INTO IT? UH, YOU NEED TO READ THE STUFF ABOUT THE ADDRESS AND THE CA NUMBER AND OKAY.
UH, CA ON JUNIOR HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 4 5 DASH 0 0 8 CP, UM, I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECOND, THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT THEN I CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL THOSE, UH, IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? NAY.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE TWO AND AS COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER AND COMMISSIONER RENE.
SO IT APPEARS THAT THIS MOTION CARRIES, UM, MS. NEBU, I KNOW THIS IS NOT YOUR HOUSE.
YOU WILL PLEASE LET THE APPLICANT KNOW THAT THEY DID GET DENIAL.
SO FOR THAT FEE TO CPC, THEY COULD GO AND CHALLENGE, UM, TO SEE IF WE HAVE AIRED IN MAKING THIS JUDGMENT.
THEY COULD ALSO RETHINK THEIR REQUEST OR THE REASONS FOR IT AND SEE IF YOU WANTED TO COME BACK AGAIN WITH A DIFFERENT REQUEST OR A STRENGTHENED ARGUMENT IN FAVOR OF THIS ONE.
WILL YOU PASS THAT ALONG TO THEM? AND OF COURSE, STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO CONSULT WITH YOU OR THE OWNER AT ANY TIME.
NOT NIGHT, BUT
SINCE THE, THAT UGLY FENCE IS THERE, BUT THEY NAIL SOMETHING TO THE EVENT, THEY MIGHT HAVE TO PUT IN FOR A ROUTINE MAINTENANCE OF REINFORCING THE UGLY FANS.
PERHAPS THAT'S THE WAY, IF I WERE THEM
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I WOULD GO ABOUT IT AND SEE IF IT GOT PASSED, BUT WHO KNOWS IF THAT WOULD WORK.I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S EVER TRIED THAT.
ALL RIGHT, SO THE NEXT ONE THAT WE DECIDED WE ARE HAVING NOW BECAUSE IT'S GOT SOMEONE TO TALK ABOUT IS THE FIVE STAFF.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 5 49 10 AVE MUNGER PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 4 5 15 CP REQUESTS OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL LANDSCAPING IN FRONT YARD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL LANDSCAPING IN FRONT YARD BE APPROVED WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIF SPECIFICATIONS DATED TEN SEVEN TWENTY FOUR WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE PROPOSED PLANS DO NOT COVER THE PORCH RAILING OR OTHER PROMINENT DEFINING ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE FRONT AND SIDE FACADES.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
NO QUORUM COMMENTS, ONLY SMALLER VARIETY OF HYDRANGEAS AND THE REMAINING PLANTS SEEM TO BE APPROPRIATE.
ALRIGHT, AND WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER FOR THIS, I ASSUME THAT IS MS. BILLINGSLEY WHO I SEE ON CAMERA.
SO IF WE MAY BEGIN, SIR, YOU NEED TO STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND SWEAR PROMISE OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH.
JASON BILLINGSLEY 49 10 REGER AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 4.
OKAY, SIR, I, UM, I IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, TO GIVE US ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR PROJECT OR WHY, WHY YOU WANT TO DO IT OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO JUMP RIGHT TO QUESTIONS, WHICHEVER IT'S UP TO YOU.
WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING A NEW, WE'RE UPDATING THE LANDSCAPING LAST YEAR.
YOU ALL APPROVED AN EXTERIOR RESTORATION PROJECT, INCLUDING SIDING AND PAINT, WHICH IS NOW COMPLETE.
AND SO THE NEXT PHASE OF THAT IS ADDING FRONT LANDSCAPING.
UH, THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE, UH, EARLIER.
UM, WE WILL BE GOING WITH A SMALL, UH, VARIETY OF HYDRANGEA THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT STAYS LESS THAN THREE TO FOUR FEET TALL, WILL ALSO BE, UH, SERVED PAYING FOR BROTHERS LANDSCAPING TO COME OUT TO OUR HOME, UH, MONTHLY AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE TRIMMING, WEEDING, DOING ALL OF THE THINGS, UH, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE MAKING SURE THAT THOSE DON'T GET TO A HEIGHT IN WHICH THEY WOULD BLOCK THE RAIL, WHICH WAS THE MAIN CONCERN, UH, FROM THE TASK FORCE.
AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANY OTHER, UH, ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT.
DOES ANY, EH, DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WOULD WE CARE TO HAVE SPECIFIED WHAT TYPE OF WARF? I GUESS IT'D BE CALLED HYDRANGEA THAT WE'RE GETTING DONE.
IT'S IN MY EMAIL AND NOW I'VE LOST IT.
I'VE HAD IT PULLED OPEN FOR THREE HOURS AND
HERE, I'M GONNA LOOK UP MY PHONE.
IT'S A DWARF HYDRANGEA THAT GETS THREE TO FOUR FEET TALL.
OKAY, SO THAT IS NOW IN THE RECORD THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU PLANNED TO PLANT.
ALL RIGHT, IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION FOR ME? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
OKAY, IN THE MATTER OF 49 10 RIGGER AVENUE CA 2 45 DASH 15 CP, I MOVE TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, TO APPROVE INSTALLATION OF LANDSCAPING IN THE FRONT YARD PER DRAWINGS OF 10 17 20 24, WITH CONDITIONS CITED AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA AND STANDARDS INCORPORATED.
DO YOU ALSO WANT TO IN INCLUDE THAT THEY WILL BE USING THE PARTICULAR HYDRANGEA THAT THE APPLICANT HAS JUST NAMED? UH, YES.
UH, I HAVE TO HEAR THAT AGAIN.
IT'S CALLED LESS LET STAMP RHYTHMIC BLUE.
MM-HMM,
TEN SEVEN TWENTY FOUR, NOT 10 17, JUST FOR RECORD.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THIS? SECOND?
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THE SECOND IS COMMISSIONER REEVES BECAUSE SHE WAS SO ENTHUSIASTIC.ALL RIGHT, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, CAN WE VOTE ON THIS ONE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
CONGRATULATIONS MR. BILLINGSLEY AND WHOEVER, YOUR WIFE, YOUR WIFE WHO TEXTS SO QUICK, QUICKLY TO YOU.
UH, GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT.
ALRIGHT, THE NEXT IS DISCUSSION ITEM SEVEN, FOR WHICH I BELIEVE WE HAVE NO SPEEDINESS.
I WROTE THAT WAY UP IN THE CORNER.
COURTESY WOULD BE THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE.
NOW WE HAVE BEEN INFORMED BY OUR LEGAL ADVISORS THAT WE MUST TAKE THESE ONE AT A TIME, BUT JUDGING BY THE, UM, THE BRIEFING COMMENTS, THERE ARE SIMILAR COMMENTS FOR EACH.
SO WE WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS THEM EACH IN TURN, BUT I THINK AFTER THE FIRST ONE WE COULD PROBABLY SAY THE SAME COMMENTS AS LAST TIME.
ALRIGHT, SO WE CAN GO HOME SOMEDAY.
AND WE DO NOT HAVE SPEAKERS FOR THESE.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF COURTESY REVIEW ITEM THREE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1124 EAST NINTH STREET.
IT'S IN THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CR 2 45 DASH 0 0 5 RD.
THE REQUEST IS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT, A DUPLEX.
SINCE THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED.
SO THE RE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT, A DUPLEX BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR A LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
COMMENTS TO, I HAD TO FIND IT BURIED IN THERE, COURTESY REVIEW, SUPPORTIVE COMMENTS, ONLY SPECIFICALLY REAR EXITS NEEDED.
ALRIGHT, NOW THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW SO WE STATE OUR HELPFUL ADVICE THAT WE PROBLEM LIST PROBLEMS, WE SEE WHAT WOULD MAKE IT BETTER.
I WOULD LIKE SEE THAT, JUST MAKE NOTE OF A FEW THINGS, OKAY? OKAY.
UM, THE PROPOSED WINDOW AT THE GABLE SEEMS SMALL AND OFF CENTER.
I WOULD LOOK INTO THAT AS ONE OF THE NOTES.
UH, THE WINDOW SILLS, UH, SEEM TO BE A BIT LOW.
I BELIEVE THE, UH, IF THERE'S NOT AN OPTION TO GET, UH, CORRIDOR THAT SERVES THE BACK APARTMENTS TO, UH, EGRESS OUT TO THE BACK, I WOULD CONSIDER DOING EGRESSES FROM THOSE ROOMS OUT TO THE SIDES.
I REVISE THAT WINDOW SILLS, UH, TOO LOW.
I'M DYSLEXIC TODAY, SO I MEANT TO SAY THEY WERE A BIT HIGH AND NEEDED TO BE A LITTLE BIT LOWER.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? UH, MY CONCERN, YES, MY CONCERN IS THAT IT APPEARS TO HAVE VERY LITTLE FOUNDATION HEIGHT, BUT IT APPEARS THAT IT GOES DOWN DOWN A HILL.
IS THAT RIGHT? SO IS THERE A WAY THAT THEY CAN GET A LITTLE MORE FOUNDATION? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALMOST IN, IN THE GROUND WHERE KIND OF WHERE THE GUY IS STANDING, LIKE, AND THIS THAT, BUT THERE'S A, APPEARS THAT THERE'S VERY LITTLE FOUNDATION HEIGHT.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BURIED IN THE GROUND.
MR. RE I'M JUST CONCERNED TO FIGURE OUT THE WINDOW ON THE SIDE THAT BROKE THE NECK.
PARDON ME? THE WIND, THE DROP FROM THE WINDOW ON THE SIDE IS VERY, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A DOOR IN STEPS ALL IF THEY WANTED TO.
IS, IS OUR COMMENT THERE MR.
I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT THE, THE, THE WINDOW HEIGHT AND THE FRONT AND THE DOOR HEIGHT SHOULD BE THE SAME OR THERE NEEDS TO BE A TRANSOM OVER THE DOOR SO THAT THAT'S ALL IN LINE.
AND I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER J TAYLOR IS RECUSED ON THIS ON THE NEXT TWO, SO
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I'M SURE HE DID THAT.THIS IS, THIS IS ARE TOO HIGH.
WE, WE, WE HAVE MANY OF US SAID THAT NOW.
ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE UP ON THIS ONE? ANY COMMENT ABOUT THE ISSUE OF THE REAR DOOR? SHOULD THERE BE A SECONDARY DOOR? IS THAT OUR ADVICE? YEAH, I MEAN, THERE'LL BE A REALLY, IT'LL, IT'S SIX FEET OFF THE GROUND ALREADY, SO THERE'LL BE A SUBSTANTIAL, UH, STOOP ON THE BACK FOR YOUR INFORMATION.
SO DOES THAT MEAN DO IT OR DON'T? THAT MIGHT BE THE REASON THEY DON'T HAVE, MAYBE THEY COULD HAVE A LANDING OR A PORCH AND THEN A STEP DOWN TO THE BACKYARD.
COULD THEY PUT A LANDING OR PORCH AND STEP DOWN? YEAH, THEY COULD.
ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS? I JUST NOTED IT APPEARS THAT THE WINDOWS AREN'T LARGE ENOUGH TO USE FOR EGRESS, SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME SECONDARY, AREN'T THEY? I MEAN, THE WINDOWS AREN'T BIG ENOUGH TO GET A PERSON OUT EASILY, SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE A CONSIDERATION SOMEWHERE OR SECONDARY EXIT FOR BOTH UNITS.
AND, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, FIRE, UM, EGRESS IS IMPORTANT.
SOMEONE ELSE WILL DOUBLE CHECK THAT, BUT WE CAN STILL MENTION YOUR WINDOWS ARE TOO HIGH AND TOO SMALL.
SOMETHING I, I I'D LIKE TO NOTE IS BECAUSE THERE IS THE HIGH REAR FOUNDATION, IT MIGHT BE MORE PRACTICAL TO HAVE A DOOR FROM EACH UNIT GOING TO ONE EXIT PORCH SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO TWO RAISED UP PORCHES.
YES, MS. IT, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THE WINDOWS AS IT LOOKS LIKE THE DRAWINGS JUST WRONG, THE, THE WINDOWS ARE TALLER THAN THE DOOR.
UH,
THERE'S, THAT'S, UM, NOT USUALLY THE ALIGNMENT WE LOVE TO SEE.
THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A REASON FOR DOING IT THAT WAY, BUT IT'S NOT THE ALIGNMENT YOU GENERALLY SEE.
ANYTHING ELSE? SO COME BACK TO US SOMEDAY FOR FINAL REVIEW.
SO WE'D LIKE TO BE REALLY GOOD THEN AND JUST FLY THROUGH.
I THINK WE HAVE COMPLETED OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS FIRST ONE AND WE CAN DO CR FOUR.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1131 BETTERTON CIRCLE AND THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CR 2 4 5 0 0 6 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT A DUPLEX STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SINCE THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED.
SO IT'S THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT, A DUPLEX BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW TASK, TASK FORCE FEEDBACK, COURTESY REVIEW, SUPPORTIVE COMMENTS ONLY, WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS, REPLACE MASONRY SKIRTING ON FRONT PORCH WITH, UH, NUMBER ONE 17 NOVELTY SIDING AND THE ADD REAR EXITS.
ALRIGHT, COMMENTS? I GO AHEAD, I'LL MAKE SOME COMMENT.
UM, THE FRONT WINDOWS, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT, THEY HAVE ONE TOO MANY ON EACH SIDE, SO I GUESS THAT WOULD BE TWO TOO MANY ON THE FRONT.
IF THEY WANT A GANG OF TWO ON EACH SIDE, THAT'S PROBABLY FINE.
UM, BUT WE'VE GOT A WHOLE WALL OF WINDOWS, SO I'D LOOK INTO THAT AND, AND ALSO MAKE SURE WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO HAVE PROPER SCALED WINDOWS AND, AND STILL HEIGHTS THERE.
UM, THE, IT MIGHT JUST BE THE DISTORTION SOMETIMES ON THE WAY THESE LOOK.
UH, I GUESS THE ROOF SLOPE, IS THAT CALLED OUT AS A SIX 12? IT IS NOT.
I WOULD, I WOULD LOOK INTO MAKE SURE LOOKING INTO THAT AND SEE WHAT THAT ROOF SLOPE WOULD BE AND MAKING SURE IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, UNDER SIX 12.
DO WE WANT IT OVER SIX 12 OR UNDER SIX 12? UH, WE'RE JUST HAVING A LITTLE ISSUES ON SOMETIMES WHEN I'M LOOKING AT MY, THE SCREENS, THEY SEEM TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DISTORTED THAN WHEN I CALL IT UP ON THE, THE PDF AND SOME OF 'EM START LOOKING ELONGATED.
BUT IS SIX 12 YOUR MINIMUM OR YOUR MAXIMUM? YEAH, SIX 12 WOULD BE, UM,
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STANDARD.I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE MONITORS MAKE THE, ALL THE DESIGNS MORE HORIZONTAL BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT IT ON YOUR OWN COMPUTER, THEY'RE MORE VERTICAL.
SO IT'S REALLY, IT'S VERY, VERY DECEIVING.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, YES THAT ALL FOUR SLOPES OF THE ROOF BE EQUAL TO EACH OTHER? UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE REAR IS QUITE STEEPER THAN THE SIDES IN THE FRONT.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? DID ANYBODY MENTION THE BACK DOOR? UH, YEAH, SO COMMENT SIMILAR TO ON THE PREVIOUS REGARDING THE BACK DOOR, ALL THESE ARE OF ON LI PERSON.
SO YEAH, I, UM, I THINK THE, THE SUGGESTION THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS MADE ABOUT, UH, DOING UH, TWO GANGED WINDOWS ON EACH SIDE ON THE FRONT AND TAKING THAT EXTRA ONE AND PLACING IT AT AN ADDITIONAL ONE IN ONE OF THE SIDE BEDROOMS, UM, TO GET MORE LIGHT INTO THE BEDROOMS. ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT, THOSE ARE READY TO PASS ON WITH THE APPLICANT.
NOW WE CAN DO COURTESY REVIEW.
OH, ONE OTHER THING TOO, THAT STILL HEIGHT SEEMED TO BE HIGH AS WELL ON THIS ONE.
SO JUST REPEAT THAT, REPEAT THAT ONE ALSO.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 2 1 8 LANDIS STREET IN THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CR 2 4 5 DASH ZERO FOUR RD.
THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT.
A DUPLEX STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS SINCE THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION REQUIRED AND THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT A DUPLEX BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW, TASK FORCE FEEDBACK, COURTESY REVIEW, SUPPORTIVE COMMENTS ONLY SPECIFICALLY WHERE EXITS ARE NEEDED.
WELL, SOMEONE ELSE SAY IT THIS TIME.
MR. ANDERSON, ARE YOU PLANNING TO MAKE COMMENTS? NO, I'M SORRY YOU, TOMMY, TO MAKE COMMENTS.
UH, THE SAME COMMENT ABOUT THE WINDOW HEADER HEIGHT AND DOOR HEADER HEIGHT.
UH, THAT THEY'D BE THE SAME OR ENT FEE ADDED TO THE DOOR.
HEIGHT TO EQUAL EVERYTHING OUT.
AND WAS THERE NOT A COMMENT ABOUT THE, UM, YES, THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT THE COLUMN COLUMNS AND THE FOUNDATION OF THE COLUMN.
UH, THE LOWER HALF OF THE COLUMNS COULD ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE, UM, TO THE GROUND AT THE SAME WIDTH THAT IS ON THE PORCH.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER THAT HAS SLIPPED OUR MIND IN THE TIME THAT HAS PASSED? MCNARE? UM, THREE.
MY PHONE ON TOO MANY WINDOWS IN THE FRONT.
THERE ARE FOUR WINDOWS IN THE FRONT.
DO YOU HAVE NO, I'VE GOT ON MINE, I'VE GOT ON LANDIS, I'VE GOT SIX.
OH, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE PREVIOUS ONE.
I HAVE A COUPLE MORE COMMENTS.
UM, ON THE, THOSE FRONT WINDOWS ON THE, UH, ON THE PORCH THAT THEY GAINED INSTEAD OF, UH, SEPARATED.
AND THEN ON THE COLUMN, ON THE COLUMNS THEMSELVES, THERE'S TOO MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE, THE WOOD AND THE BRICK THAT, UM, THE WOOD COLUMN BE AT LEAST EIGHT INCHES TO 10 INCHES.
ALRIGHT, I'LL, I'LL JUMP IN HERE TOO JUST TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T REMEMBER TRYING TO SAY YOUR VOICE.
I'M GONNA SAY IT AGAIN, BUT AT THE SEAL HEIGHTS ARE A LITTLE HIGH AND THE, THE COLUMNS THAT THE, WHERE THE BRICK STARTS, HOPEFULLY THERE'S A, THERE'S A STONE CAP ON THERE.
UH, BUT HOPEFULLY THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL STONE CAP THERE AND THAT TOP OF THAT CAP IS HOPEFULLY AROUND THE, THE SEAL HEIGHT, WHICH IS, THEY'RE SHOWING IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE ALL TOO HIGH.
IS THAT IT FOR THE COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? ALRIGHT, THEN THOSE WILL BE PASSED ON TO THE APPLICANT BY
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OUR STAFF OR THEY CAN LISTEN TO THE RECORDING.IT'S A BIT REPETITIVE THAT THEY MIGHT NOT WANNA DO THAT.
THAT LEAVES US WITH JUST D SEVEN AND THEN OUR CALENDAR, RIGHT? AND OUR MINUTES? NO, NO, WE'RE HURRYING.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS LOCATED AT 46 0 5 SYCAMORE STREET IN THE PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 45 DASH 0 1 9 MW.
I'M MARCUS WATSON PRESENTING THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE 18 OF THE HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE WITH FINAL UNITS UNAUTHORIZED WORK.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE 18 OF THE HISTORIC WOOD WOOD WINDOWS ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE WITH VINYL UNITS UNAUTHORIZED WORK BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTIONS THREE POINT 10 OR THREE POINT 13.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE 18 OF THE HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE WITH VINYL UNITS UNAUTHORIZED WORK BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE MATERIALS ARE NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE STRUCTURE AND ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH MATERIALS APPROVED WITH FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE TASK FORCE HAS CONCERNS WITH THE WINDOWS BEING VINYL AND THE LACK OF DEMENTIA DIMENSIONALITY OF THE WINDOWS S AND TRIM.
FURTHERMORE, MUCH OF THE TRIM DOES NOT EXIST IN THE SAME PLANE AS THE SIDING, WHICH ALSO REDUCES THE DIMENSIONALITY OF THE WINDOW UNIT AND IS INAPPROPRIATELY APPLIED TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
DOES ANYONE HAVE, WE CAN ONLY ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF.
THERE IS NO ONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE.
UH, IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, THEN WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION.
MAKE A, UH, ON THE CASE OF CA 2 4 5 DASH 0 1 9 MW UH, ADDRESS 46 0 5 SYCAMORE STREET.
I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE, UH, FOLLOWING THE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT, UH, THIS WORK IS INCONSISTENT IN THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA AS STATED.
COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN GETS THIS.
UM, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE CAN VOTE ON THIS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION.
STAFF WILL OBVIOUSLY LET THE APPLICANT KNOW ABOUT OUR DETERMINATION, ALSO ABOUT THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY FOR A FEE TO CPC OR THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK AGAIN WITH, UM, NEW ARGUMENTS OR NEW IDEAS AND, AND TO COME AND PRESENT THEM TO US, PERHAPS, BUT THAT'S WHERE THEY STAND RIGHT NOW.
WE NEED TO APPROVE OUR CALENDAR.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CALENDAR FOR 2025.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS SECONDED IT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THIS CALENDAR? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? IT WAS COMMISSIONER REEVES AND THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
THE ONLY THING LEFT IS OUR MINUTES.
IS THERE ANY ISSUE WITH THE MINUTES THAT YOU NEED TO VOICE? NO, BUT I HAVE SOMETHING ELSE AFTER THAT.
ALRIGHT, BUT YOU HAVE NO ISSUE WITH OUR MINUTES.
ALL RIGHT, THEN DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
DOES ANYONE WANT TO SECOND THAT MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? SECOND.
THAT WAS COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS AGAIN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES? SAY AYE.
MR. CUMMINGS, WHAT DID YOU WANNA SAY? UM, I DON'T KNOW.
I MAY HAVE MISSED IT OR WE MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN INCLUDING IT, BUT I MISSED AN UPDATE ON DESIGNATION COMMITTEE AND, UH, WHAT'S BEEN, WE SAY EVERY SINGLE TIME WE WERE DOING THAT? NO.
WELL, WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET AN UPDATE? I WANNA KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE IT EVERY SINGLE TIME? I, I WILL SAY WE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH ACTION SINCE THE LAST MEETING.
WE ONLY HAD THE, UM, MOSTLY THE SIGN, THE SIGN WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY.
THE SIGN WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY WAS THE DISCUSSION, SO THANK YOU.
WITH THAT, IT IS 5 0 4 AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
THANK ALL OF YOU FOR ATTENDING.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE JUST A LITTLE COMMENT.
WE'RE GETTING LOTS OF NEW CONSTRUCTIONS IN WHEATLEY PLACE IN 10TH STREET.
THERE WAS A TIME WE WERE ONLY DOING DEMOLITIONS AND BEING FORCED TO DEMOLISH BUILDINGS.
AND I'M GLAD THOSE NETWORK ARE GETTING BACK ON TRACK.
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CUMMINGS, NEXT TIME I HAVE THE HEAD OF THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE FOR DINNER, I'LL INVITE YOU.