[Special Sign District Advisory Committee on October 8, 2024.]
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UM, WE CALLED THE ORDER FOR THE OCTOBER S-S-C-A-C.
SAMSON COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PRESENT.
AND THEN WITH CITY STAFF, WE HAVE OSCAR, TREVOR, SCOTT, AND MIKE IS
AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MS. SCOTT.
I'M THE SUPERVISOR OF THE SIGN REVIEW AND INSPECTION TEAM FOR THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
UM, I'LL BE PRESENTING SIX CASES TODAY FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
UH, THREE WILL BE DOWNTOWN SPECIAL PROVISION SIGN DISTRICT.
THEY WERE ALL THREE FOR THE SAME LOCATION.
UM, ONE, THE FIRST ONE IS 2 4 0 9 1 2 0 0 3 5.
SECOND ONE IS 2 4 0 9 1 2 0 0 3 6.
THIRD ONE IS 2 4 0 9 1 2 0 0 3 7.
DO YOU WANT ME TO TAKE THESE THREE CASES TOGETHER SINCE THEY'RE THE SAME BUILDING? YEAH.
I HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF THOUGH 'CAUSE I HAVE DIRECT INVOLVEMENT.
UM, MARIA'S OUR REPRESENTATIVE HERE.
I GUESS YOU GET TO GO AWAY, MURPHY, AT LEAST FOR THE FIRST THREE CASES.
YOU DO
SEE, I SHOULDN'T HAVE TRIED TO HIT THAT GUY.
HOW DO I, UH, I NEED TO TURN EVERYTHING OFF ON MY SIDE.
JUST TURN YOUR, YOUR CAMERA AND MIC OFF AND WE'LL, UH, OR I GUESS YOU COULD LEAVE YOUR YEAH.
BOW OUT AND LEAVE IT TO MY CONSTITUENT.
IS EVERYBODY ABLE TO SEE? OKAY.
IS EVERYBODY ABLE TO SEE MY SCREEN NOW? YES.
THE LAST THREE CASES ARE GOING TO BE 2 4 0 9 1 6 0 0 1 5 2 4 0 9 1 6 0 0 1 9 2 4 0 9 1 6 0 0 1 8.
THE ADDRESS FOR THE FIRST TWO IS 2 7 1 3 KENT STREET.
THE ADDRESS FOR THE LAST ONE IS 2 7 2 7 KEN STREET.
THEY'RE ALL THREE THE SAME BUILDING, SAME OWNER AS TWO DIFFERENT BASICALLY SUITES.
IT'S, UH, THEY'RE ALSO SUBMITTED TOGETHER AND WE'LL COME BACK TO THESE AFTER THE AFTER INSURANCE.
SO THE FIRST OF THE THREE, UH, 2 4 0 9 1 2 0 0 3 5 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY MARIE BYRON, WHO'S JOINED US TODAY OF BYRON SIGNS AND LIGHTING FOR A 73.7 SQUARE FOOT.
LED ELIMINATED ATTACHED CHANNEL LETTER SIGN AT 400 SOUTH ST.
PAUL'S STREET ON THE NORTH ELEVATION.
THIS IS LOCATED IN THE DOWNTOWN SPECIAL PROVISION SIGN DISTRICT IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT SUB OR SUB-DISTRICT AREA TWO.
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SQUARE FOOT, UPPER LEVEL FLAT.ATTACHED SIGN IS COMPOSED OF INDIVIDUALLY MOUNTED CHANNEL LETTER LOGO MOUNTED AGAINST THE FACADE FACING NORTH PAUL STREET BEARING THE MODERA M LOGO.
CODE SECTIONS MET ARE 51 A DASH 7.9 HUNDRED OF THE DOWNTOWN SPSD.
YOU ARE WELCOME TO READ THAT, BUT I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT BY NOW.
THE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT SITE, THE SIGN IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA, WHICH IS IN THE INTER LOOP.
THE SIDE IS APPROXIMATELY TWO TENTHS OF A MILE NORTHEAST OF CITY HALL AND NORTH OF RL THORNTON AND WEST OF IH 3 45.
THE LOCATION OF THE SIGN DISTRICT IS DOWNTOWN.
THIS IS ANOTHER VISUAL OF THE LOCATION IN REFERENCE TO THE OTHER, THE OTHER SIGN DISTRICTS.
THIS IS IMPERIAL MAP AND OF COURSE THIS IS PRIOR TO ANY OF THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT THE RED ARROW SHOWS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF WHERE THE SIGN WILL BE THERE.
THERE'S A TOWER, SO TO, SO TO SPEAK, OF THE BUILDING.
AND THE END WILL BE ON THIS ELEVATION OF THE TOWER, WHICH IS KIND OF MORE OF THE NORTHERN ELEVATION ON THE ST.
THE PROPOSED SIGN IS WE INSTALLED ON THE NORTH AS SIDE OF NORTH ST.
THIS SIGN WILL OCCUPY LESS THAN 2% OF THIS FACADE.
THE SIGN IS CONSIDERED AN UPPER LEVEL FLAT CHECK SIGN.
IT IS 13 FOOT EIGHT INCH BY FIVE FOOT FOUR AND FIVE EIGHTHS INCH, WHICH GIVES AN AREA OF 73.7 SQUARE FEET.
IT IS, UH, A CHANNEL LETTER SIGN WITH CLEAR ACRYLIC AND IT HAS THE PERFORATED VINYL PERFORATED FIRST SURFACE VINYL.
IT GIVES IT A DAY NIGHT, UH, APPEARANCE.
SO DURING THE DAY IT LOOKS BLACK AT NIGHT, IT LOOKS WHITE.
FIVE ALUMINUM RETURNS, WHITE LEDS, AND AGAIN FLUSH MOUNTED.
AND THAT WAS IT FOR THE FIRST SIGN.
THE SECOND SIGN IS 2 4 0 9 1 2 0 0 3 6.
THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR THE CA BY MARIE BYRUM OF BY SIGNS ON LIGHTING FOR 155.5 SQUARE FOOT.
LED ILLUMINATED ATTACHED CHANNEL LETTER SIGN AT 400 SOUTH ST.
PAUL STREET ON THE WEST ELEVATION.
THIS IS ALSO DOWNTOWN SPECIAL PROVISION SIGN DISTRICT, SAME LOCATION.
THIS IS 155.5 SQUARE FOOT OF ROAD WITH A FLAT ATTACHED SIGN.
UH, IT'S CONSTRUCTED IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER.
AND THIS ONE BEARS THE NAME MODERA STREET MODERA ST.
SAME PURPOSE, SAME LOCATION, SAME LOCATION.
AND IF YOU'LL NOTE THE ARROW, THIS IS GONNA BE ON THE WESTERN FACADE, JUST AROUND THE CORNER FROM THE LOGO.
WAIT FOR THE, UH, LAG TO CATCH UP.
I'M SEEING IT'S TAKING QUITE A BIT LONGER TO REACH YOU GUYS.
THIS ONE WILL BE ON THE WEST FACADE FACING NORTH OF ST.
THIS ONE WILL OCCUPY LESS THAN 0.4% OF THE FACADE.
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CONSIDERED UPPER LEVEL FLAP TAP SUN, SAME CONSTRUCTION DIMENSIONS ARE 43 FOOT AND ONE QUARTER INCH BY THREE FOOT SEVEN TO THREE EIGHT INCH, WHICH GIVES A, AN AREA OF 155.5 SQUARE FEET, SAME ENGINEERING.AND THEN THE THIRD SIGN IS 2 4 0 9 1 2 0 0 3 7.
THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A 78 SQUARE FOOT.
LED ILLUMINATED, ATTACHED PROJECTING SIGN AT THE SAME LOCATION ON THE WEST ELEVATION.
UH, ALSO DOWNTOWN, UH, 78 SQUARE FOOT ATTACHED SIGN COMPOSED OF LED ILLUMINATED CABINET WITH CHANNEL LETTERS AND PUSH THROUGH ACRYLIC LADDERS, PROJECTING FIVE FEET FROM THE WEST FACADE FACING NORTH ST.
PAUL STREET BEARING THE NAME MADERA BY MILL CREEK AND ST.
AND THIS ONE WILL BE ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE BUILDING ON THE WEST FACADE COOKIE.
ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE THE PURPOSE OR THE, THE ZONING MAP AND AERIAL MAP? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FROZEN UP A LITTLE BIT RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST A DELAY.
IS IT STUCK ON THE PURPOSE STATEMENT? IT'S ON THE AERIAL AND THE ZONING MAP PAGE.
THIS JUST HAS THE DELAY THAT OKAY.
HERE'S ANOTHER IMAGE OF THE SIGN LOCATION PROVIDED BY THE CUSTOMER.
THEY'RE BOTH SIGNED THIS TO BE INSTALLED ON THE WEST FACADE, FACING THE NORTH ST.
PAUL STREET ON THE NORTHERN END OF THE BUILDING.
THIS WOULD BE THE IMAGE OF THE PROJECTING SIGN.
THIS IS THE, THE ONLY UPPER PROJECTING SIGN ON THIS PREMISE.
PROPOSED SIGN WILL NOT PROJECT MORE THAN FIVE FEET INTO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
THE WORD MODERA WILL BE CHANNEL LETTERS BY MILL CREEK AND ST.
PAUL WILL BE PUT THROUGH ACRYLIC.
PAUL WILL ACTUALLY HAVE THE FIRST SERVICE, UH, PER RATED BY TO GIVE IT THE DAY NIGHT BOOK IS WHAT THAT DIMENSIONS.
18 FOOT TALL BY FOUR FOOT FOUR INCH WIDE WITH AN AREA OF 78 FOOT SQUARE FOOT.
APOLOGIZE, AND THEN SIGNED DETAILS.
THESE ARE THE ENGINEERING PROVIDED IMAGES OF THE BUILDING UNDER CONSTRUCTION SOUTH B BESIDE, THIS IS LOOKING NORTHEAST ON WOOD, SOUTHEAST ON ST.
THESE ARE SIMILAR SIGNS IN THE AREA.
SOME UPPER LEVEL, FLAT ATTACHED, UPPER LEVEL FLAT ATTACHED AND PROJECTING.
AND THEN STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.
UM, I THINK I'M ON THE RIGHT ONE BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO READ MY, MY LEFT-HANDED NOTES HERE.
BUT IT SAYS PARAPET MOUNT ON THAT AND IT'S 0.2% OF THE ALLOWED SURFACE.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
THEN IT SAYS THAT THERE ARE THREE WORDS YET ALL I SAW WAS A LOGO ON THAT FIRST ILLUSTRATION.
IS THAT JUST A MISTAKE IN THE WORDING ON THE REPORT? I BELIEVE I MADE THE CHECK.
SO WE JUST NEED TO CLEAN THAT UP THEN.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE PARAPET MOUNT? DID I MISREAD THAT? BECAUSE IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS JUST A STANDARD, STANDARD MOUNT ON
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THE SIDE.SO IT LOOKS TO BE MOUNTED ON THE PARAPET OF THE, LET ME PULL UP FIFTH.
THE MI BELIEVE THE M AND MODE ARE BOTH MOUNTED ON THE PARAPET BECAUSE I NOTICED I'M, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO HEAR YOU SOMETIMES.
COULD YOU SPEAK UP OR MOVE CLOSER TO YOUR MIC? I APOLOGIZE.
THEY ARE MOUNTED ON THE PARABIT.
BUT LET'S DO CLEAN UP BECAUSE IT SAYS THREE WORDS AND WE ONLY SHOW A LOGO.
SO LET'S CLEAN THAT UP BEFORE IT GOES TO CPC POLICER.
AND THEN I THINK THAT WAS CASE THREE FIVE AND THREE SIX WAS YES.
AND LET'S SEE, DID I HAVE ANY OTHERS? OKAY.
S OH, ON CASE 37, LOOK AT PARAGRAPH CI AND I THINK THAT SAID IN THERE, THAT WAS LIKE AN UPPER LEVEL MOUNT.
AND THIS IS OBVIOUSLY NOT AN UPPER LEVEL MOUNT.
BY THE DEFINITION OF THE PROJECTING SIGNS WHERE THIS FALLS ON THE BUILDING, IT'S CONSIDERED UPPER LEVEL.
THE DEFINITIONS FOR PROJECTING SIGNS ARE DIFFERENT THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NO MID LEVEL FOR PROJECTING.
AND THIS IS UPPER, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY REQUIRED TO BE OUTSIDE OF THE UPPER LEVEL FACADE.
UM, THE HIGHEST POINT, I BELIEVE IT CAN'T EXCEED 25 FEET.
SO IT, IT, IT'S JUST A LARGER BLADE SIGN MORE OR LESS IS, IS WHAT THE, THE ORDINANCE CALLS OUT.
BUT IT'S, IT'S AN UPPER PROJECTING SIGN AND THEN THERE'S A LOWER PROJECTING SIGN.
THE LOWER PROJECTING SIGN CAN'T EXCEED, UH, 15 SQUARE FEET.
AND IT'S MORE FOR SOMETHING YOU'D PUT OVER THE DOOR, UH, FOR, FOR PEDESTRIAN.
THIS IS MORE FOR BUILDING IDENTIFICATION.
IS IS MORE KIND OF THE INTENT OF, OF THIS PARTICULAR UPPER, UPPER PROJECTING SIGN.
IT'S NOT AN UPPER LEVEL PROJECTING SIGN.
IT'S AN UPPER PROJECTING SIGN.
IT'S JUST THE LANGUAGE IS KIND OF CONFUSING FOR A DUMMY LIKE ME BECAUSE I'M NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT THAT WELL VERSED IN SIGNAGE.
SO I WAS JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED.
AND I THINK COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DIDN'T YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TOO? NO, NOT ABOUT THESE.
YOU ASKED, YOU ASKED THE POINTS THAT I HAD NOTED.
SORRY, I STEPPED ON YOUR TOES.
OKAY, SO WE JUST NEED TO GET THOSE CORRECTIONS MADE THEN BEFORE IT GOES TO CPC.
DID ANYBODY ELSE, I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE GOT SIGN REPRESENTATIVES THERE TOO, DIDN'T WE? SCOTT AND JASON? WE, YES.
UH, MS. UH, MS. BYRAM IS HERE FROM BYRAM SIGN AND LIGHTING.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? UM, I, I REALLY DON'T.
I MEAN, Y'ALL, Y'ALL ARE PRETTY THOROUGH THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'VE ALREADY MADE THE CORRECTION TO THE REPORT.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE WITH THE CORRECTIONS THAT WE MENTIONED IN THE DISCUSSION.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
UH, WITH THAT WE'LL GO THROUGH THE, UM, THROUGH THE CALL COOKIE, HOW YOU VOTE? COOKIE COOK YOU IN FAVOR? I'M SORRY? DID YOU CALL ME? IF, IF YES, YES, THEN I VOTE.
THE NEXT STEP WILL BE, UH, BLANK MACHINE.
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MURPHY.IF YOU CAN HEAR US, YOU CAN REJOIN THERE HE IS.
I WANNA MOVE BACK TO THE OVERVIEW.
THE NEXT THREE WE HAVE ARE 2 4 0 9 1 6 0 0 1 5 FOR 2 7 1 3 CANTON STREET.
THIS IS DEBELL NEAR EAST SIDE SIGN DISTRICT 2 4 0 9 1 6 0 0 1 6 FOR 2 7 1 3 STREET DEEP EL NEAR EAST SIGN SIGN DISTRICT, EXCUSE ME, 2 4 0 9 1 6 0 0 1 8 FOR 2 7 2 7 KEN STREET, DEEP EL NEAR EAST SIDE SIGN DISTRICT.
THESE ARE ALL THREE THE SAME APPLICANT, SAME LOCATION, JUST ONE DIFFERENT ADDRESS.
SO IT'S UP TO YOU WHETHER WE, SO IS EVERYBODY IN FAVOR OF TAKING ALL THREE OF THESE SINCE OR TWO ADDRESSES AS ONE CASE OR AS AT ONE TIME? NO OBJECTION.
CASE NUMBER ONE IS 2 4 0 9 1 6 0 0 1 5.
THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY KENNETH WAITS OF CITY SIGN SERVICE INCORPORATED FOR A 48 SQUARE FOOT LED ILLUMINATED, CHANGEABLE COPY ATTACHED MARQUEES SIGN AT 27 13 CANTON STREET ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
THIS IS IN THE DEEP LUM NEAR EAST SIDE SIGN DISTRICT PD 2 69 TRACK A TOO FAR.
THE PROPOSED SIGN IS A 48 SQUARE FOOT ATTACHMENT MARQUE SIGN COMPOSED OF TWO BACKLIT CABINETS WITH CHANGEABLE FACES MOUNTED ON A NEW CANOPY STRUCTURE AGAINST THE FACADE FACING CANTON STREET.
THE APPLICABLE CODE SECTION MAP IS 51 A DASH SEVEN 1300 DEEP EL NEAR EAST SIDE SPECIAL PROVISION SIGN DISTRICT.
THIS IS THE PURPOSE STATEMENT FROM NEAR EAST SIDE DEEP EL.
THE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT SIDE IS LOCATED WITHIN DEEP ALLEN HERE NEAR EAST AREA.
THE SIDE IS APPROXIMATELY EIGHT TENTHS OF A MILE NORTHEAST OF CITY HALL AND NORTHEAST OF IH 3 45.
THIS IS THE SIGN DISTRICT MAP.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S LOCATION AND IN REFERENCE TO EVERY OTHER SIGN DISTRICT.
AND HERE'S THE AERIAL MAP OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THIS IS THE WHOLE PROPERTY, WHICH INCLUDES BOTH ADDRESSES.
UH, THE ARROW INDICATES THIS FIRST LOCATION FOR BOTH SIGNS TO BE INSTALLED ON F SAW BASE AND CAMP STREET ATTACHED TO A NEWLY ENGINEERED CANOPY.
THERE'S CURRENTLY AN EXISTING CANOPY THAT STRETCHES ALL THE WAY ACROSS ALL OF THE WINDOWS.
UH, THEY'LL BE REMOVING THAT CANOPY AND THEN INSTALLING A NEW CANOPY OVER THE FRONT ENTRANCE.
AND THEN THESE, THE CHANGEABLE COPY SIGNS WILL BE ATTACHED TO THAT CANOPY.
UH, THE, SO THE SIGNS ARE COMPOSED OF TWO SIX FOOT BY FOUR FOOT BY THREE AND A HALF INCH CABINETS.
WHITE POLYCARBON INTERCHANGEABLE COPY FACES ATTACHED TO THE NEW CANOPY STRUCTURE.
THE OVERALL PROJECTION OF THE SIGN AND CANOPY FROM THE SER, WHICH THEY'RE ATTACHED WILL BE THREE FEET.
THE TWO CABINETS FOUR BY SIX AREA 48 SQUARE FOOT.
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AND IT SHOWS THE TOP BOTTOM, FRONT SIDE VIEWS.AND THE ENGINEERING FOR THE CANOPY STRUCTURE, WHICH WILL BE PERMITTED SEPARATELY THROUGH BUILDING INSPECTIONS.
AND THEN THE SECOND, THE SECOND CA IS 2 4 0 9 1 6 0 0 1 6.
THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS BY KENNETH WAITS OF CITY SIGN SERVICES INCORPORATED FOR A 16 SQUARE FOOT.
LED ELIMINATED AT THAT SIGN AT 27 13 CANTON STREET ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
SOPHIE BEUM PROPOSED SIGN 16 SQUARE FOOT.
ATTACHED SIGN COMPOSED OF A RGB RED, RED BLUE GREEN LED ILLUMINATED CABINET WITH PUSH THROUGH ACRYLIC LETTERS PROJECTING TWO FEET FROM THE FACADE FACING CAMPUS STREET AND BEARING THE NAME THE BONE FACTORY WITH LOGO.
THE F GOALS CODE SECTION MET IS 51 A DASH SEVEN 13 PURPOSE STATEMENT.
AGAIN, LOCATION MAP, AGAIN, IT'S IN THE EXACT SAME LOCATION.
IT'S ACTUALLY LOCATED RIGHT ABOVE.
THE MARQUEES SIGN IS INSTALLED ON THE SAME FACADE FACING KEN STREET, ATTACHED TO A FACADE ABOVE THE MARQUEE AND PREVIOUS APPLICATION.
AND IT IS COMPOSED OF A THREE-SIDED CABINET.
FACES A CLEAR PUSH THROUGH TIE WITH WHITE TRANSLUCENT VINYL APPLIED.
THE OVERALL PROJECTION OF THE SIGN FROM THE SURFACE IN WHICH NATASHA WILL BE TWO FEET.
AND HERE'S THE FRONT AND SIDE VIEWS OF A SIGN.
IT'S TWO BY EIGHT BY ONE TOTAL AREA OF 16 SQUARE FEET AND ENGINEERING.
THE THIRD APPLICATION IS IDENTICAL TO THE SECOND.
THIS IS, UH, APPLICATION FOR 16 SQUARE FOOT LED ILLUMINATED ATTACHED SIGN AT 27 27 CANTON STREET.
IT'S THE SAME 16 SQUARE FOOT ATTACHED RGB AND LED ILLUMINATED CABINET WITH PUSH THROUGH ACRYLIC LETTERS OBJECTING TWO FEET.
BUT THIS ONE IS BEARING THE NAME OF THE STUDIO, WHICH IS A SUBSIDIARY OF THE BOMB FACTORY.
AND IT'S AT THE, UH, OTHER END OF THE BUILDING.
PROPOSED SIGNS TO BE INSTALLED ON THE FACADE FACING CANTON STREET.
ATTACHED OVER THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF THE STUDIO OBJECT.
IT'S COMPOSED OF THREE SIDED CABINET FACES, A CLEAR BRUSH THROUGH EXACT SAME CONSTRUCTION OF THE BOMB FACTORY SIGN.
AND AGAIN, WITH THE ENGINEERING, THIS IS THE PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT SITE, CANTON STREET FRONTAGE, LOOKING NORTH ON HENRY STREET EAST ON CANTON STREET WEST ON CANTON STREET NORTH ON CROWD STREET.
AND THEN SIGNS AROUND THE DISTRICT.
THERE'S A LOT OF THREE DIMENSIONAL ATTACHED SIGNS IN THIS AREA.
AND STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON THE RGB UM, ELIMINATION ON THE BOTH OF THE FLAGS.
IS THAT INTENDED TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE COLORS? THEY HAVE NOT.
IT IS OUR INTENT ON IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS TO INFORM THEM THAT IT, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ANIMATE.
THEY CAN CHANGE COLORS, BUT IT CAN'T GIVE THE
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IT APPEARANCE, APPEARANCE ANIMATE ANIMATION MOVEMENT.SO IT COULD BE RED ONE DAY, GREEN THE NEXT DAY.
QUESTIONS? I HAD COOKIE COMMISSIONER CARPENTER MURPHY.
DID Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I HAD A QUESTION.
UM, THIS BUSINESS WAS ORIGINALLY NAMED THE BOMB FACTORY AND THEN FOR A WHILE THEY WERE CALLING THEMSELVES THE FACTORY.
'CAUSE I KNOW WHEN WE HAD A RECENT CASE AT CPC TO ADD THIS ADDITIONAL BUILDING TO THE EAST, IT WAS STILL THE FACTORY, BUT NOW THEY'RE REVERTING TO THE BOMB FACTORY.
IS THAT CORRECT? WE ACTUALLY MET THE OWNERS THE OTHER DAY AND APPARENTLY THE OWNERS OF THE ORIGINAL BOMB FACTORY BOUGHT IT BACK.
SO IT IT WAS THE BOMB FACTORY.
AND THEN THEY BOUGHT IT BACK AND THEY'RE CALLING IT THE BOMB FACTORY AGAIN.
THEN THE ADDITION THEY HAD, THEY HAD TO COME DOWN TO THE OFFICE AND WE, TREVOR WALKED THEM UPSTAIRS TO HELP THEM WITH THE UPDATING THEIR COS BUT IT, THEY WERE ACTUALLY THE ORIGINAL OWNERS.
AND THIS IS ALL OF THE SIGNAGE ON THAT, THAT FACADE.
SO ALL THE SIGNAGE REVERTS TO THE BOMB FACTORY AND EXCEPT FOR THE STUDIO THAT THEY'RE ADDING? CORRECT.
UH, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE, THE NEW CANOPY? IT WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST SLIDES ON, I THINK IT WAS NUMBER 15.
'CAUSE IT'S THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE CANOPY THERE.
GOING TO THE REAL LIVE ILLUSTRATION, THE MOCKUP THAT YOU HAD.
'CAUSE IT'S EASIER TO SEE THAT WAY.
I THINK IT SHOWS IT'S ONE MORE DOWN FROM THAT RIGHT THERE.
WHEN YOU SAY IT'S GONNA BE CHANGEABLE FACES, IS THAT LIKE AN OLD MOVIE MARQUEE WHERE YOU CAN PUT DIFFERENT LABELS UP OR WHAT? YES, LIKE THE LITTLE PLASTIC CHANGEABLE LETTERS THAT YOU HAVE TO INDIVIDUAL.
AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RED, BLUE, AND GREEN CHANGEABLE, THAT'S PART OF THE CAPABILITY OF LED, IS THAT GOING TO BE THE WHITE AREA ON THE CANOPY THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE THAT OR WHAT THE APPLICATION FOR THIS ONE DID NOT SPECI FOR, FOR THE, UH, FOR THE MARQUE.
YOU DID NOT SPECIFY RGBI DON'T BELIEVE.
'CAUSE I'M, I MAY HAVE MISREAD THEN.
JUST, I THOUGHT IT SAID CHANGEABLE PHASES.
RGB AND 48 FOOT ATTACHED TO A NEW CANOPY.
I JUST WANNA BE SURE I'M CLEAR OF WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE INDICATING.
SO THIS DOES NOT HAVE ANY CHANGEABILITY IN TERMS OF THE COLORING? YES, IT DOES.
SO WE HAVE A SPINE UP AT THE TOP THAT SAYS THE BOMB FACTORY.
AND THEN SO THIS CANOPY THAT'S REJECTING, IS THAT A NEW STRUCTURE? YES.
I WISH I'D BEEN ABLE TO DRIVE DOWN THERE AND CHECK IT OUT RATHER THAN ASK A BUNCH OF STU UH, STUPID QUESTIONS.
BUT COOKIE, WE LIKE YOUR QUESTIONS.
OH, Y'ALL AREN'T CALLING ME STUPID THIS MORNING.
NOW DOES THAT PROJECT A TOTAL, I THINK IT SAID THREE FEET IS THE TOTAL PROJECTION OUT FROM
THE, UH, IF I MAY HAVE SOME INPUT, I, I THINK I'M READING THAT THIS ACTUALLY BECOMES THE CANOPY.
THEY'RE REMOVING THE OVAL CANOPY AND THIS BECOMES THE CANOPY.
IT'S, IT'S REPLACING COOKIE IS I, IS I READY HERE? I I'LL PULL UP AN IMAGE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW.
NOW, 'CAUSE I WAS LOOKING AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT BOMB FACTORY ON THE SPINE AND THEN THE MESSAGE THAT YOU WANT TO BE THERE WHERE YOU CAN HAVE FOUR LINES UP TO EIGHT INCHES OF COPY.
I'M PULLING THIS UP RIGHT NOW SO I CAN SHOW YOU HERE IS, I KNOW THERE'S A WAY TO OKAY.
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ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE THAT? OH, SO THAT'S AN OLD STYLE, JUST A RAIN TYPE CANOPY THAT THEY'RE GONNA PULL OFF AND REPLACE? YES.YEAH, THEY'RE REMOVING THAT AND THEY'RE PUTTING JUST THE, UH, THE, UH, THE NEW ONE OVER THE FRONT ENTRANCE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S NOT SHOWING UP WHERE EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S THE GOOGLE STREET DEAL AND IT'S A REALLY BAD LAG UP HERE.
YEAH, THAT HELPS CLARIFY THEN.
AND THEN I THINK IT WAS THE ONLY OTHER QUESTIONS I REALLY HAD, I THINK WERE ON NUMBER 18, WHICH TALKED ABOUT, IT'S THE ONE WITH THE STUDIO.
AND IN THE REPORT IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WERE OTHER THINGS TALKING ABOUT THE BOMB FACTORY, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANY ALLUSION TO THE VERBIAGE OR ANYTHING ON THAT.
SO THE STUDIO IS NOT THE BOMB FACTORY.
IT'S, IT'S LIKE A SUBSIDIARY OF THE BOMB FACTORY.
IS IT IN THE SAME BUILDING, SCOTT? AND SAME, IT'S SAME, SAME BUILDING.
THE LEADING EDGE I THINK SAYS AT THE, AT THE BOMB FACTORY.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, CAN YOU SEE THE OVERHEAD AERIAL MAP HERE? OH, WE'RE IN DELAY MODE RIGHT NOW.
IT'S STILL SHOWING THE AERIAL AND ZONING MAPS.
YEAH, THAT'S, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL MAP.
THE, UH, THE BOMB FACTORY IS, IS, YOU PROBABLY CAN'T SEE MY MOUSE THOUGH, BUT YOU CAN, THE BOMB FACTORY.
YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE YOUR MOUSE.
YOU SEE MY MOUSE ON THE SCREEN? MM-HMM.
OH, WELL, I, I APOLOGIZE THERE A, I THOUGHT THERE WAS LIKE A POINTER OPTION ON HERE.
LIKE THERE IS ON, ON TEAMS. MAYBE THIS IS IT.
CAN YOU SEE THAT? YEAH, WE CAN SEE IT NOW.
AND THEN STUDIO IS THIS PORTION.
THERE'S DOORS THROUGH HERE THAT THEY'RE OPEN TO EACH OTHER.
AND THEN THIS JUST SAYS THE STUDIO, BUT SOMEBODY MENTIONED THE STUDIO AT THE BOMB FACTORY.
LET ME GET TO A DIFFERENT VIEW OF IT.
IT'S AS THAT FACES THE STREET, THE SKINNY EDGE RIGHT THERE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE AN EXTRA LITTLE SEPARATE.
IT, IT'S A VENUE, LIKE A MUSIC VENUE.
SO IT'S AN EXTRA LITTLE, UH, VENUE INSIDE OF THE BOMB FACTORY.
IS THAT MOUNTED ON THE EDGE OF THE SIGN OR WHERE SCOTT, I WAS JUST, YES, IT'S THE END VIEW.
SO IT WOULD BE LIKE IF I WERE FACING THE SIGN, NOT STANDING TO THE LEFT OR RIGHT UP.
AND IF I WERE JUST FACING IT, THEN WHAT I WOULD SEE IS YES, AT THE BOMB FACTORY.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHEN YOU, MAYBE I WAS JUST LOG BRAINED, BUT I DIDN'T REMEMBER READING ANYTHING ABOUT THAT ADDITIONAL VERBIAGE ON THE, THE REPORT.
SO I WAS JUST CONFUSED WHEN I SAW THE ILLUSTRATIONS.
I CAN ADD THAT INTO THE REPORT.
WELL, YOU KNOW ME, I'M AUTHENTIC ABOUT THE WORDING.
AS LONG AS IT'S CLEAR TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING AT IT, THAT THEY GET A PICTURE OF THE TOTAL, YOU KNOW, THE TOTAL VIEW OF WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
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UM, ON THE DETAILS.I'M SORRY, MURPHY, WAS THAT A, I COULDN'T HEAR WHO THAT WAS.
THIS IS TODD ON THIS, UM, WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN? IT'S SAYING IT'S WHITE LEDS.
UM, UM, SO I THINK WE NEED TO CLEAN THAT UP.
OR EXCUSE THAT
YEAH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THIS IS, I'M, AND I APOLOGIZE ABOUT, I APOLOGIZE ABOUT THIS.
THIS PROJECT HAS GONE BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS AND THEY, THEY EACH KIND OF THIS WHAT THE, LIKE THE FOURTH SET OF DRAWINGS FOR THIS AND THEY'VE MIXED THEM ALL UP.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, IRON IT ALL OUT.
AND I APOLOGIZE ABOUT ANY DISCREPANCIES.
SO DO WE HAVE CHANGEABILITY IN THE COLORS BECAUSE OF THE LED CAPABILITY OR, I GUESS I'M JUST LOST ON WHERE, 'CAUSE THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S RED ON A BLACK BACKGROUND AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGEABILITY OF, BECAUSE ON 16, WELL, I GUESS ON 15, 16 AND 17, IT UH, REFERS TO RED, RED, BLUE AND GREEN CHANGEABILITY.
SO IS THAT TRUE OR AM I JUST GETTING HUNG UP? SO PER THESE SPECS HERE, IT SAYS IT'S WHITE LED WITH RED VINYL.
SO BASICALLY IT'LL STAY RED, IT'LL ONLY LIGHT UP UP RED.
DO WE NEED TO ELIMINATE THAT VERBIAGE THEN? I THINK SO ABOUT THE CHANGEABILITY, BECAUSE I JUST, I DON'T WANNA CONFUSE PEOPLE AND, AND I DON'T WANNA BE CONFUSED EITHER ON THIS APPLICATION.
SO IT'S JUST THIS ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE THE RED AND BLACK? YES.
I GUESS WE NEED TO JUST CLARIFY IN THE VERBIAGE SO THAT WHEN YOU GET TO CPC, SOMEBODY DOESN'T SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD READ IT THAT THOROUGHLY, BUT THEY
AND I THINK IT'S JUST, AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT HAD QUESTIONS? I'M SORRY.
DO WE HAVE ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NONE FROM ME.
IN THAT CASE, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE WITH THE VERBIAGE CORRECTIONS THAT WE STATED.
I'LL SECOND THAT MURPHY, WE'LL SECOND THAT WE'LL, UM, GO THROUGH COOKIE.
UM, HOW DO YOU VOTE? I'M SORRY, I'M HAVING TROUBLE HEARING YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE SPEAKER.
SO SAY AGAIN IF YOU'RE CALLING ON ME.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, HOW DO YOU VOTE? AYE.
AND CHAIR BOTH SIDE UNANIMOUS.
SO WE HAVE ONE MORE CASE AND I WILL PASS IT TO OSCAR FOR THAT PASS MY OUTCOMES.
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I LOST MY HAND.AND EVERYBODY CAN SEE THE PRESENTATION? YES.
IT NEEDS TO BE UP THERE SHARING ON WEBEX.
IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S THE LAG UP THERE.
SO THE APPLICATION IS, UH, SPSD 2 3 4 0 0 3.
UM, AND MS.
SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPLICATION TO CREATE A USE OF, UH, DISTRICT, UH, WHICH WILL BE CALLED THE LAWYERS BUILDING SUB DISTRICT WITHIN THE WEST, UH, END DISTRICT, UH, SIGNED DISTRICT ON A PROPERTY ZONE CA UH, ONE
UH, NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT PROPOSED TO CREATE A USE OF DISTRICT THAT WILL ALLOW ONE SUPER GRAPHIC SIGN TO BE LOCATED ON THE EAST WALL.
FACE OF THE PROPERTIES BUILDING.
HERE IS, UH, THE STAR MARKS, UH, THE RELATIONSHIP TO THE, TO THE CITY OF DALLAS IS ON THE WEST END, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN IT IS IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF MAIN STREET AND SOUTH AUSTIN.
UM, HERE IS THE, UH, CLOSER LOOK FOR THE SUB DISTRICT IS FOR THE WEST END.
AND THEN HERE IS AN AREA MAP THAT, UH, GIVES YOU A, A BETTER PRESENTATION IF YOU CAN SEE THE HIGHLIGHTED, UH, UM, UM, PROPERTY ON, UH, BLUE WITH THE, THAT THAT IS THE, THE SIDE FOR THE AREA MAP, THE ZONING SHOWS WHAT THE, WE WERE DESCRIBING, UH, AREA HERE IS THE SIDE VISIT, UH, THE BROWN, UH, FOUR STORY BUILDING THAT, UH, YOU'RE SEEING ON FIRST, UH, PHOTOGRAPH IS THE BUILDING, UH, UH, UH, FRONT, UH, FRONTAGE.
AND THEN I TOOK A PICTURE OF THE SITE, WHICH IS WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING THE SUPER GRAPHIC, IF YOU SEE THE WALL TO THE, UH, ADJACENT TO IT, UH, ON RED.
THAT IS, UH, THE PREVIOUS, UH, UH, SUPPER GRAPHIC APPLICATION THAT, UH, YOU SAW, WHICH IS THE MKT BUILDING.
AND THIS IS A VIEW FROM, UH, LAMAR STREET, AS YOU CAN SEE IS BLOCKED BY, UH, TREES AND IT'LL BE DIFFICULT TO VIEW.
THEN I TOOK THAT, UH, PHOTOGRAPH, THE VIEW FROM, UH, COMMERCE STREET, WHICH IS NOT, UH, WHICH COMMERCE STREET.
IT IS, UH, A PART OF THE BEAUTIFICATION, UH, ACT FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR THE, FOR THE STREET.
HOWEVER, IT WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FOR THE, FROM, FROM THAT, UH, STREET DRIVERS BECAUSE THEY'RE HEADING, UH, EASTBOUND.
AND THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO SEE THE STREET ON MAIN STREET.
IT IS NOT A, A PURIFICATION, UM, AT THE STREET.
HOWEVER, UH, WE, UH, WE MADE A, AN ADJUSTMENT ON, ON THE CONDITIONS THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED, AND I WILL COME BACK TO THAT WHEN I SHOW YOU THE, UH, THE CONDITIONS.
SO THE SITE, UH, FOREST JERSEY NEEDS THE FIRST, UH, BUILDING THAT IS THE CURRENT, UH, UH, SUPER GRAPHIC SIGN THAT THEY HAVE, UH, UH, CURRENTLY OR AT LEAST AS YESTERDAY.
THEN THE ANTIOCH, UH, CHURCH BUILDING DOES, UH, BE A REP, UH, ROCKSTAR OF BUSINESS.
THAT'S WHAT, UH, THEY HAD, UH, LEAST UNTIL YESTERDAY.
THERE'S NO SUPER GRAPHIC AT THIS TIME FOR THE MKT BUILDING.
UM, SO, UM, THIS IS THE BACKGROUND.
THE WESTERN, UH, HISTORIC GOT ASSIGNED DISTRICT WAS APPROVED ON JUNE, UH, 22, 2016.
DURING THIS TIME, THAT HAS BEEN, UH, UH, THREE YEAR APPROVED,
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UH, SUB-DISTRICT FOR SUPERGRAPHICS BEING, UH, DOWNFIELD BUILDING THE FIRST BUILDING AND THE MKT, UH, SUB-DISTRICT.AND THEN, AS I WAS STATING, THE DALLAS, UH, CITY CODE SECTION 51 87 0.1 STATES THAT THE HIGHWAY, UH, VERIFICATION ACT SIGN MEANS AN ON-PREMISE SIGN THAT IS WITHIN 660 FEET ON EXPRESSWAY OR A NEW EXPRESSWAY RIGHT AWAY.
AND WHOSE MESSAGE IS VISIBLE FROM THE MAIN DRIVEWAY.
AND AS I STATED, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S VISIBLE, BUT WE STILL MAKE THAT CHANGE TO 1000, UH, 700 IN THE EVENT THAT THE CITY, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY TRIED TO CHANGE THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC OR, UH, COMMERCE STREET INSTEAD OF HEADING, UM, EASTBOUND, THE, THEY REVERSED THE FLOW TO WESTBOUND, BUT, UM, JUST SO THAT THE APPLICANT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK.
AND THEN, UH, THIS IS THE, UH, CURRENT, UH, SIGNS.
THERE'S A 6,500 SQUARE FOOT, UH, SUPER GRAPHIC SIGN.
AND, UH, FOR THE FIRST BUILDING, UH, THE NEWSO AND THEN THE ANTIOCH, UH, CHURCH BUILDING HAS, UH, 4,000, UH, 800 SQUARE FOOT SUPER GRAPHIC SIGN.
THAT'S THE CURRENT SIDE OF THOSE BUILDING.
AND AS I SHOW YOU ON THE PHOTOGRAPH, THE MK BUILDING HAS NO, NO
THEN THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE AND THE LANDMARK COMMISSION HAVE REVIEWED THE PROPOSED, UH, SUPERGRAPHICS SIDE AND SUPPORT THIS REQUEST.
UH, THIS IS FROM A CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH, UH, DR.
SO THEY'RE OKAY WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND, UH, ACCORDING TO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY'LL REQUEST THAT THE CONDITIONS THAT, UM, THE TIES CAPACIT ARE INVOLVED TO SUPPORT THE SIGNAGE, THE TIRES MUST BE, UH, TIED VIA MOTOR JONES TO PROTECT THE MAIN.
AND THEN, UM, SO AS I STATED, THIS IS WHAT THE APPLICANT SIX SIX, WHICH I STATED, UH, PREVIOUSLY, THIS IS TO SAVE TIME.
AND THEN HERE IS THE, THE SIGN THERE REQUESTING AGAIN, WE, I STOPPED, RECOMMENDED TO CHANGE IT, UH, TO 1,200, UH, SQUARE FEET WITH A MAXIMUM EFFECTIVE AREA OF 6,500 SQUARE FEET.
THE PROPOSED HEIGHT MAY NOT BE LOWER THAN 10 FEET, UH, ABOVE, UH, GRADE LEVEL SUPPORT GRAPHIC SIGN WILL COMPLY WITH HOUSE BUILDING CODE AND ALL OTHER ORDINANCE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF, OF THE CITY OF BALANCE IS, UH, WHAT THOSE CORPORATIONS THAT, UH, WE WERE SHOWING YOU, WHICH IS, UH, PRETTY MUCH SIMILAR TO WHAT THE MKD SUB-DISTRICT REQUESTING IS, UH, REQUESTING, OR IT WAS, IT GOT APPROVED.
AND THEN THE, UH, LAWYERS BUILDING SUB DISTRICT WILL HAVE THE SAME, UH, REQUEST.
THE, UH, SO STAFF IS WRITTEN APPROVAL.
THE PROPOSAL FOR GRAPHIC SIGN MESSAGE IS, UH, FRONT IN MAIN STREET AND IS NOT VISIBLE TO VEHICLES TRAVELING ON COMMERCE STREET, WHICH IS ONE WAY AT THIS LOCATION.
THE GRAPHIC SIGN MESSAGE IS SONY VISIBLE TO PEDESTRIANS OR VEHICLE TRAVELING WESTBOUND ON MAIN STREET AND AUSTIN STREET.
THE GRAPHIC SIGN WILL NOT BE VISIBLE TO DRIVERS TRAVELING ON LAMAR STREET, WHICH IS CLASSIFIED AS AN HPA, UH, HIGHWAY.
THE SUPER GRAPHIC SIGN WILL BE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM AREA DISPLAYED LOCATION AND MINIMUM HEIGHT AS, UH, PREVIOUSLY STATED.
UH, THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.
UM, SCOTT, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE ANTIOCH CHURCH BUILDING AND THE FIRST BUILDING TO SHOW THE, OKAY, SO THE FIRST BUILDING, IS THAT A 6,500 SQUARE FOOT SIGN? I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT SAID IN THE, IN THE VERBIAGE, YES.
THAT'S, THAT'S ACCORDING TO THE PERMIT THAT, THAT IT WAS ISSUED.
SO THE GAME ON, UH, CASH IN THAT'S, UH, 6,500 AND THE ANTIOCH IS THE 4,000, WHAT WAS IT? 4,800.
I WAS JUST CONCERNED BECAUSE IT'S NOT, I DON'T OBJECT.
WELL, I DO OBJECT TO SUPERGRAPHICS BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE DISTRACTING TO A DRIVER, BUT THAT'S A PERSONAL OPINION.
IT'S NOT ANYTHING IN OUR REGULATIONS.
BUT I DID WANNA ASK A QUESTION, AND I WISH DAVID WERE HERE BECAUSE HE HAS THE ARCHITECTURE VIEW.
EVEN THOUGH LANDMARK COMMISSION HAS AUTHORIZED THIS, THE CURRENT SIGN BEING PROPOSED IS 1200 SQUARE FEET, CORRECT? THAT THAT'S WHAT A STAFF IS COMMENDING? YES.
HOWEVER, THE MINIMUM, THAT'S THE MINIMUM REQUEST.
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BELIEVE IT'S 6,500 IS WHAT THEY CAN GO UP TO.IT NEEDS TO BE BETWEEN 12 AND 6,500.
I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THESE ARE OLDER BUILDINGS, AND EVEN THOUGH LANDMARK HAS SAID YOU CAN DO IT, BUT YOU MUST GO THROUGH THE MORTAR JOINT AND YOU MUST REINFORCE FROM THE BACKSIDE WHAT HAPPENS IF, LET'S SAY WE DO A 1200 SQUARE FOOT SIGN THIS TIME, AND THEN SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAYS, I WANT 4,400 SQUARE FEET, THEY GO INTO THAT SAME MORTAR AND DRILL AGAIN AND REINFORCE WHAT PROTECTS THAT BUILDING FROM BECOMING SWISS CHEESE.
I MEAN, I GUESS I THINK IN TERMS OF WHEN THEY START CHANGING OUT SIGN SIZES THAT YOU'RE DRILLING MORE HOLES AND YOU'RE WEAKENING THE STRUCTURE.
THAT'S WHY I WAS HOPING DAVID COULD BE HERE TO, TO MAYBE ADDRESS THAT FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL POINT OF VIEW.
MURPHY, YOU, YOU DO SIGN INSTALLATIONS ALL THE TIME.
IS THAT A CONCERN? WELL, NO, AND THAT'S WHY THE REQUEST WAS FOR IT TO GO INTO THE MORTAR JOINTS WHERE THEY CAN INSTALL ANCHORS AND, UH, THEY'RE TYPICALLY SEALED WEATHERPROOF.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A GIVEN.
I, I WOULD THINK THE, UM, AGAIN, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE ON THIS BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE THE VARIABLE FROM GOING FROM 1200 SQUARE FEET TO 6,500 SQUARE FEET.
BUT TYPICAL IS ONCE THEY SET THESE, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE HILTI ANCHORS IN THE MORTAR, THE, AS THE, UH, AS IT EVOLVES
UM, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE.
I STILL AM CONCERNED BECAUSE I JUST, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH STREET IT WAS ON, BUT IT WAS WHEN I WAS COMING HOME FROM CHURCH THE OTHER DAY, I WAS IN HEAVY TRAFFIC.
BUT THERE'S ONE THAT LIKE, THERE'S THIS HUGE NEW SUPER GRAPHIC THAT'S JUST BEEN CHANGED OUT AND IT'S BLUE AND WHITE AND I'M GOING, I DON'T REMEMBER IT BEING THAT LARGE BEFORE, BUT I'M GOING, THAT MEANS THEY HAVE TO DRILL HOLES AND THROUGH THOSE MOUNTING BRACKETS FOR THE SUPER GRAPHIC.
SO I GUESS MY CONCERN IS DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE LIMITING THE SIZE SO THAT THEY DON'T CONSISTENTLY GO IN AND CHANGE OUT THOSE MOUNTING BRACKETS AND WEAKEN THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING? I MEAN, YOU GUYS KNOW MORE ABOUT SIGN MOUNTING THAN I DO, BUT THAT IS A CONCERN.
I MEAN, I'M NOT A BUILDING ENGINEER, BUT I AM AN ENGINEER BY TRADE.
SO I'M, I'M REAL CONCERNED ABOUT WEAKENING ANY STRUCTURE LIKE THAT.
IT'S LIKE IF YOU DRILL RIBBITS IN AN AIRPLANE OVER AND OVER AGAIN, YOU'RE GONNA WEAKEN THE STRUCTURE OF THE AIRPLANE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THAT'S MY FIELD.
BUT ON A BUILDING, IS IT THE SAME CONCEPT THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UH, WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE, WHICH THEY CAN ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS.
TYPICALLY WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST IS ONCE THESE S FRAMES GO UP, THEY DON'T CHANGE SIZE.
I THINK, UH, WE INCLUDED THAT 1200 SQUARE FEET JUST IN CASE, UH, SOMETHING WERE TO COME UP.
THEN THEY HAD TO REDUCE IT TO, UH, COMPLY WITH HIGHWAY BEAUTIFICATION ACT STANDARDS.
THAT'S WHERE THE 1200 CAME FROM.
YEAH, BECAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS CHANGING STREET DIRECTIONS.
THAT MAY BE ONE WAY THIS YEAR, BUT NEXT YEAR THEY MAY, THEY MAY BE ONE WAY IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
BUT YEAH, LET THE BUILDING APPLICANT ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE I'M JUST CONCERNED IF WE NEED TO IN THE FUTURE, LOOKING AT BEING CONSISTENT IN THE SIZE OF A SIGN SO THAT WE DON'T RESTRUCTURES OF OLDER BUILDINGS LIKE THIS.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE, THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY HERE THAT, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT.
WOULD, WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH THAT THEN, OFFICER? YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT.
HI, COULD VICTORIA MORRIS AT JACKSON WALKER? UM, I AM HERE WITH ERIN WATKINS AND STEVE EDINGTON ALSO WITH BIG OUTDOOR, THE APPLICANT.
UM, SO WE, THE, THE TEXT OF THE SPSD ORDINANCE REALLY JUST MIMICKED WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY INCLUDED FOR OTHER SUBDISTRICTS.
THE MAXIMUM SIZE THAT WE COULD GET ON THIS SPACE IS ABOUT 2,500 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND THEN TRYING TO BUILD IN THE, UH, PROTECTION OF THE HPA AT 1200 SQUARE FEET.
UM, SO WE COULD COMMIT TO I GUESS ONE OF THOSE TWO SIZES IF THAT WOULD PROVIDE SOME COMFORTABILITY IN TERMS OF THE, UH, THE ATTACHMENT SYSTEM.
AND SO EITHER 1200 SQUARE FEET OR 2,500 SQUARE FEET AS THE TWO SIZES, IF THAT WOULD ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION AND COMMENT.
YEAH, I GUESS, AND I LOOKED AT THE MATRIX THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER AND IT SHOWS
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THAT TWO OF THESE ALREADY HAVE THE 1200 TO 6,500 PARAMETER ESTABLISHED.SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE IN THE FUTURE AND SUGGEST OR MAYBE INCLUDE IN THE ORDINANCE A FIXED SIZE SO THAT WE DON'T CONSTANTLY GO IN AND CHANGE THOSE SIZES AND WEAKEN THE STRUCTURES OF SOME OF THESE HISTORIC, PRECIOUS, PRECIOUS FEW HISTORIC STRUCTURES WE HAVE LEFT IN DALLAS.
WOULD THERE BE A WAY TO MURPHY GUYS THAT ARE ON THE SIGN COMMITTEE, CAN Y'ALL KIND OF WEIGH IN MUR, UH, MURPHY AND MIKE, YOU'VE BEEN QUIET ALL MORNING OR PRETTY QUIET
YEAH, SO I JUST, TODD, I HAVE A QUESTION.
WOULD THERE BE A WAY OF LIMITING, UM, HOW MANY TIMES THE ANCHORS GO IN AND THEN THAT WAY IT GIVES THEM THE FLEXIBILITY OF ADJUSTING THE SIZE FROM 1200 TO 6,500, BUT ONLY SETTING ONE SET OF ANCHORS IF THEY DO SOME, A SMALLER, UH, SUPER GRAPHIC AND THEN WE JUST SEE LONGER CABLES TO, FROM SUPER GRAPHIC TO THE ANCHORS? YEAH.
WELL, AND ANOTHER QUESTION IS HOW DO WE MONITOR THE SIX MONTH DURATION OF A SIGN? BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE ONE ON THE ERIC JOHNSON LIBRARY THAT STAYED THERE FOR YEARS AND WAS SO FADED AND NOT REALLY A GOOD REFLECTION ON THE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO DO WE MONITOR THAT? DO YOU GUYS GO OUT AND HAVE A TRIGGER THAT SAYS, WE WILL GO CHECK THAT IT'S CHANGED EVERY SIX MONTHS? OR WHAT, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE PROCESS? YES.
TO ADDRESS TODD'S QUESTION, I THINK ANYTHING CAN BE PUT IN THERE TO TRY AND CHANGE THAT.
BUT A LITTLE BACKGROUND, WE HAVEN'T EVER HAD ANY OF THESE CHANGE SIZE ONCE THEY WENT UP.
LIKE THEY'VE, THEY'VE NEVER CHANGED SIZE.
UM, SO THIS HASN'T BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE REALLY CONSIDERED MM-HMM.
AND IF THEY DO NOT FOLLOW THAT TIMELINE, THEN THEY CAN LOSE THEIR LOCATION FOR THE ONES DOWNTOWN.
FOR THESE, LIKE, WE JUST NEED TO, TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO CHANGE IT.
WE HAVEN'T RUN ANY ISSUES YET.
EVERYBODY'S BEEN PRETTY WILLING TO, TO CHANGE THEM.
SO THERE, THERE IS A TIME LIMIT ON THE PERMIT WHEN FILED.
UH, IF THIS SPSD IS GRANTED THE ANTIOCH, I BELIEVE THE ANTIOCH IS STILL ON A FOUR MONTH SCHEDULE.
UHHUH, UM, DOWNTOWN, THEY REQUESTED THAT, UH, THEY BE REPLACED WITH A SIX MONTH SCHEDULE TO BE MORE IN LINE WITH THE WAY THE, UH, ADVERTISERS THAT THEY GET, GET ADVERTISING FROM, UH, TO REMAIN MORE IN LINE WITH THEIR SCHEDULE.
BUT TYPICALLY THEY WANT TO CHANGE THESE OUT.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT ONES TO, TO LEAVE THEM UP.
IS THAT PREDICATED BY PERMIT WHEN THEY FILE THOSE OR? YES.
YES, WE HAVE A PERMIT FOR EVERY FACE THAT GOES UP.
AND THEN FOR DOWNTOWN, THEY, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE LOCATION PERMITS THAT ARE GOOD FOR FOUR YEARS? YEAH.
AND COOKIE, I'LL, I'LL JUST REITERATE THAT.
ONCE THESE FRAMES GO UP AND THEY DO CHANGE OUT, IT IS SUCH A BIG DEAL TO CHANGE FRAMES,
UH, SCOTT, CAN YOU GO BACK ONE, UH, THE MATRIX THAT YOU HAD, THE LITTLE, UH, ILLUSTRATION THAT SHOWS THE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT ONES? 'CAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING ANYTHING ABOUT A FOUR MONTH LIMIT ON ANTI ANTIOCH.
IS THAT THE ONE YOU SAID? I THINK IT WAS JASON'S VOICE.
IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY FARMER'S MARKET THAT HAS FOUR MONTHS ON THEIRS.
AND I DO HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE WE USED TO HAVE A SUNSET ON ALL THESE SIGNS AND I DON'T REMEMBER, AND I WAS HERE, SO I GUESS I'M JUST HAVING A SENIOR MOMENT.
I DON'T REMEMBER THESE BEING AUTHORIZED AS NEVER HAVING A SUNSET.
UH, SO IF, UH, IF YOU RECALL FOR THE MK, UH, MKT, UH, SUB-DISTRICT, UH, THE, UH, THE COMMITTEE, UH, UH, RECOMMENDED, UH, A SUNSET OF, UH, 10 YEARS OR FOR THE MKT SUB-DISTRICT.
UH, HOWEVER, WHEN IT WENT TO CITY PLAN COMMISSION, THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION REMOVED, UH, THAT, UH, UH, SUNSET AND, UH, IT WAS APPROVED BY,
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UH, UH, CITY COUNCIL, UH, WITH, UH, NO SUNSET.AND I'M HAVING TROUBLE HEARING.
THE MKT BUILDING DOES HAVE A SUNSET TIMEFRAME.
NO, YOU, YOU, YOU, UH, BACK WHEN THE CASE WAS HERE, YOU RECOMMENDED A, A SUNSET OF 10 YEARS, BUT, UH, CITY PLAN COMMISSION REMOVE IT.
SO CURRENTLY THE PURSE BUILDING, THE MKT AND THE LAWYER'S BUILDING WOULD HAVE NO SUNSET DATE.
THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS THE SUNSET IS THE ANTIOCH, UH, UH, BUILDING.
BECAUSE AT ONE TIME, AND JASON, I THINK YOU WERE THERE ONE TIME, ALL OF THE SUPERGRAPHICS WERE HAVING A SUNSET DATE, AND I THINK THAT WAS EXTENDED BY TWO OR THREE YEARS.
AM I CORRECT IN REMEMBERING THAT OR NOT? SO THE DOWNTOWN, I BELIEVE, WAS IN 2018.
AND ALL OF THOSE WERE EXTENDED TO 2028, I THINK.
UM, THAT WAS THE LAST TIME I REMEMBER AN EXTENSION.
THAT IS, THAT WAS THE LAST TIME ANY SUNSETS CAME ABOUT.
THAT WAS THAT MEETING THAT WE HAD DOWNTOWN AT THE, UH, IN THE, UH, IN THE BRIEFING, THE LARGE BRIEFING ROOM.
I REMEMBER BECAUSE I WAS BARKING MY HEAD OFF.
SO MY, MY MEMORY IS JUSTIFIABLY FRIED, NOT JUST A SENIOR MOMENT THERE,
UM, THAT'S BASICALLY ALL MY QUESTIONS.
I DO WISH WE HAD A SUNSET FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS THOUGH.
YOU, YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
I'M SORRY, SAY AGAIN? YOU, IT IS UP, IT'S UP TO THE COMMITTEE IF THEY WANT TO RECOMMEND A SUNSET.
AM I THE ONLY PERSON THAT, UH,
BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS FOR THE EXISTING SIGNS AT THE TIME, WHICH WAS JASON, WHAT WAS IT? WE HAD 16 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YEAH, 14, I THINK SO THERE'S, THERE'S 14, BUT THERE'S 22, BUT IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THESE IN THE WEST END WEST.
SO WEST END IS AN EXCEPTION THAT DOES NOT HAVE A SUNSET DATE.
DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER THE RATIONALE? I'M SORRY.
NOBODY REMEMBERS IN ME, INCLUDING ME.
UM, DO WE RECOMMEND SUNSET DATES? MIGHT I JUST ADD I THINK THAT THE, SORRY IF I'M INTERRUPTING YOU, MURPHY.
UM, I THINK THAT THE, THE BENEFIT OF NOT HAVING A SUNSET FROM A OPERATOR STANDPOINT IS, UH, JUST FOR THE CONTINUED, UH, FINANCIAL BENEFIT THAT THE BUILDING GETS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE, AS A RESULT OF HAVING THE SUPER GRAPHIC SIGN.
IT'S JUST A CONTINUED BENEFIT TO HELP SUPPORT, UH, A, A HISTORIC BUILDING THAT, UM, HAS SORT OF LIMITED REDEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL BECAUSE OF ITS HISTORIC DESIGNATION.
SO FROM A OPERATOR STANDPOINT, THAT IS THE BENEFIT OF PROPERTY OWNER AND OPERATOR STANDPOINT.
BUT, UH, LEAVE THAT FOR THE COMMISSION TO MULL OVER.
'CAUSE I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T GET WHY WE DON'T SAY THAT AT 10 YEARS WE'LL REVIEW THIS AGAIN.
I'M WAS, I WAS JUST GONNA, I WAS JUST GONNA JUMP IN THERE AND TELL YOU THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME CONFUSION WITH THE, THE 22 SUPER GRAPHICS THAT ARE IN DOWNTOWN.
THAT'S WHY IN, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S PART OF THE DOWNTOWN, UM, SUPER GRAPHIC PROGRAM, RIGHT? THIS IS A SEPARATE SPSD, WHICH IS THE WEST END, AND LIKE THE ONES IN DOWNTOWN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE EACH ONE OF THOSE HAVE A LOCATION PERMIT AND THEY EXPIRE THE LOCATION.
THESE ARE, THESE ARE TOTALLY SEPARATE.
THESE ARE, THIS IS WHY THEY'RE CREATING THE SUBDISTRICT IN WEST END TO ALLOW THESE EACH IN PARTICULAR SIGN.
UM, SO YOU, WE KEEP GOING BACK TO THE ONES, THE REGULAR ONES IN DOWNTOWN, BUT THESE ARE, IT'S TWO SEPARATE SIGNS ALTOGETHER.
I JUST WONDER IF WE SHOULD LOOK AT ESTABLISHING, SAY, A 10 YEAR REVIEW OF THIS JUST LIKE WE DO ON A SP UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A HORSE'S BEHIND, I'M JUST KIND OF STUBBORN AND I WANNA PROTECT THOSE BUILDINGS.
DID ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A COMMENT OR AM I THE, THE LONE WOLF HERE? OH, WELL I CAN ADD THAT.
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CPC, THE ARGUMENT WENT, UM, SOMEWHAT TO, TO PARODY THAT IF SOME OF THESE DON'T HAVE SUNSETS, THEN IT ISN'T REALLY, ISN'T REALLY FAIR TO IMPOSE A SUNSET ON, ON THE ADDITIONAL, THE NEW ONES WHICHEVER'S WHATEVER'S COMING IN.AND ALSO THE ARGUMENT THAT WE JUST HEARD ABOUT THE ONGOING FINANCIAL VIABILITY OF, UM, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THESE BUILDINGS HISTORIC.
SO I'M, I'M NOT SURE THAT THE OUTCOME WOULD BE ANY DIFFERENT AT CPC AND COUNCIL NEXT TIME IF WE PUT, UM, A SUNSET PROVISION IN, BUT I'M NOT IT, BUT THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER FROM CPC.
WELL THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
I'M THROUGH BEING, I'M THROUGH BEING HORSES BEHIND.
I, I DID HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IF I MAY.
DID I UNDERSTAND THAT THE 1200 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM IS SOMETHING THAT'S NEWLY IMPOSED HERE BY STAFF? BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR, UM, CHART THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ALSO SAYS THAT THE MKT HAS THE 1200 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM.
BUT WHEN I SAW THE ORDINANCE IN WHAT I WAS READING EARLIER, IT SHOWED THAT IT WAS 2,500.
'CAUSE IT LOOKED AS IF THE MKT HAD BEEN CUT AND PASTED FOR THE LAWYER'S BUILDING AND THE 2,500 HAD BEEN SCRATCHED OUT AND 1200 PUT IN.
SO IS, IS THIS CHART INCORRECT THAT THAT MKT TRULY IS 2,500 AND THIS 1200 IS, IS SOMETHING NEW THAT STAFF IMPOSED FOR A REASON? I'M NOT QUITE FOLLOWING, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH,
IF, UH, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF YOU HAVE, UH, UH, THE SLIDE, UH, CURRENTLY YOU'RE SEEING THE, THE SLIDE THAT I'M TRYING TO SHOW THAT IT SAYS THAT THE DALLAS, UH, CITY CODE SECTION 51 8 7 0.102, 16.6, IT STATES THAT A HIGHWAY PURIFICATION SIGN NEEDS, UH, AN ON-PREMISE SIGN THAT IT IS, UH, WITHIN 660 FEET OF AN EXPRESSWAY OR EXPRESSWAY RIGHT AWAY.
AND WHOSE MESSAGE IS VISIBLE FROM THE MAIN TRAVEL WAY.
SO COMMERCE STREET, UH, IS CLASSIFIED AS AN, UH, HPA, UH, STREET AND, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, THEY WILL NOT HAVE ANY ISSUE BECAUSE THE SIGN IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE TRAVEL WAY BECAUSE IT'S THE, THE VEHICLES ARE TRAVELING AWAY FROM, FROM THE BUILDING.
SO THEREFORE, UM, UNLESS THE, THE DRIVER LOOKS IN HIS REAR VIEW MIRROR FOR, FOR, UH, UH, A DETAILED AMOUNT OF TIME TO SEE WHAT THE SIGN SAYS, THEN, THEN IT'S NOT VISIBLE.
BUT IF, IF THE THE DIRECTION OF PROBABLY, UH, UH, CHANGE TO GO, UH, WESTBOUND, THEN THE, THIS RULE WILL BE APPLICABLE, WHICH, WHICH IS THE HPA, AND THEN ACCORDING TO THE STATE RULE, AND, UH, MR. POOL CAN CORRECT ME, THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT ALLOWED SIGN FOR A SUPER GRAPHIC WILL BE 1,200.
SO A STAFF IS MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION SO THAT IN THE EVENT THAT THE STREET CHANGES, THEN THE APPLICANT IS NOT FORCED TO, TO COME OVER AND ADMIN OR, UM, AMEN.
THE, THE, THE PROPOSED SUB DISTRICT LATER ON, IF THAT HAPPENS.
AND SO THIS CHANGE IS JUST BEING MADE RIGHT NOW FOR THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING? YES.
AND GOING FORWARD, SO THE MKT BUILDING WAS SET AT 2,500 SQUARE FEET 'CAUSE THIS RULE WASN'T BEING IMPOSED AT THAT TIME.
IS THAT CORRECT? UM, SO MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THE, THAT THE SITE WAS 1,200, BUT, UH, JASON IS ADVISING THAT, THAT, UH, THAT DIDN'T MADE IT TO THE ORDINANCE AND THAT IT WAS APPROVED WITH THE, YEAH.
SO YEAH, BECAUSE IT, YEAH, LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE I READ IT WAS 2,500.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS AN ERROR OR WHAT, BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE WHAT'S ENCAPSULATED IN THE ORDINANCE.
AND, AND THAT, THAT, THAT IS MY, MY, UH, MISTAKE.
I, I WAS UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT THE MKT BUILDING WAS, WAS APPROVED WITH THE 1,200.
BUT ANY OF THESE GOING FORWARD WILL BE THE 1200 BECAUSE OF THIS HIGHWAY BEAUTIFICATION ACT? YES.
YEAH, SO I'LL, I'LL MAKE THE CORRECTION ON THE REPORT TO REFLECT THE, THE PROPER SIZE ON, ON, UM, ON THE REPORT FOR CPC AND CITY COUNCIL.
BUT I WILL, WE WILL STILL MAKE THE STAFF WILL STILL MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION OF 1,200, UH, UNLESS I GET CORRECTED BY UPPER MANAGEMENT.
I THINK THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER ONE CLARIFICATION IS THAT REFERENCE TO THE 2,500 SQUARE FEET ON PAGE 16,
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BULLET 0.3 ABOUT EFFECTIVE AREA.'CAUSE IT SAYS EFFECTIVE AREAS 2,500 SQUARE FEET, MAXIMUM PERMITTED EFFECTIVE AREA IS 6,500.
SO FROM WHAT WE JUST HEARD CLARIFIED, IS THE EFFECTIVE AREA GOING TO BE 1200 SQUARE FEET OR IS IT GOING TO BE 2,500 SQUARE FEET? I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
FOR THE NEW SUBDISTRICT, I'M UNDERSTANDING IT'S GONNA BE 1200 SQUARE FEET AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN THE INTENTION FOR THE MKT TO BE 1200 SQUARE FEET, BUT THAT DID NOT MAKE IT INTO THE ORDINANCE.
THE ORDINANCE SAYS 5 2500 SQUARE FEET.
'CAUSE THE VERBIAGE IN THE THING DOES NOT AGREE WITH THE ILLUSTRATION IN THE, UH, IN THE CHART ON PAGE THREE.
SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER INCONSISTENCY THAT WE NEED TO CLEAN UP.
WELL, I, IS THAT AN INCONSISTENCY? I GUESS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
WAIT, SO I THOUGHT THE CLEANUP WAS FOR THE HBA TO BE 1200 SQUARE FEET.
I'M LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL, UH, LEGAL STATEMENTS ON PAGE THREE, IT SHOWS 1200 TO 6,500.
SO LOOK AT YOUR ORIGINAL REPORT.
DID IT SHOW 1200 OR DID IT SHOW 2,500? I'M JUST CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT THE SIZE IS WE'RE VOTING ON.
YEAH, SO THE APPLICANT REQUESTED 2,500.
THE ORIGINAL REPORT SHOWED 1200.
SO, AND ON THE, YEAH, AND ON THE REPORT, I SWITCH IT TO 1,200.
AND IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE, THE 2,500 WAS, WAS CRASHED AND THEN 1,200 WAS ADDED BY STOP.
AND THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO MEET, TO BE TO MEET FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS.
SO IS THE 1200 THEN A CONTINGENCY PLAN IF THE HIGHWAY BEAUTIFICATION ACT COMES INTO EFFECT ON THIS BUILDING? OR IS IT 2,500 THAT WE'RE SAYING WE'RE DOING NOW WITH A CONTINGENCY TO GO BACK TO 1200 IF THE DIRECTION ON COMMERCE STREET CHANGES? I JUST WANNA BE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA PUT IT AT 2,500 PER THE APPLICANT.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE EFFECTIVE AREA ON PAGE 15 SAYS IN THE ORDINANCE.
THEN I'M THROUGH COMMISSIONER NER, DID YOU HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M SORRY, I KEEP DRIVING HOME.
THESE MAKE, MAKING THIS A LONGER PROCESS THAN IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE.
NO, I, I, I CLARIFIED WHAT I NEEDED TO HAVE CLARIFIED.
AND, AND THAT, THAT WILL BE CORRECTED ON, ON FOR THE TABLE.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO NO UPDATE IS NEEDED, CORRECT? I'M SORRY, MS 500, YOU MEAN AN UPDATE TO THE REPORT? YEAH.
THE, THE REPORT, UH, I, I, I WILL CORRECT THE, THE TABLE YES.
BUT, BUT THE STAFF STILL RECOMMENDING FOR THIS NEW, UH, PROPOSAL, WHICH IS THE LAWYERS BUILDING SUB-DISTRICT WILL RECOMMEND 1,200 FOR, FOR THE MINIMUM.
AND I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYBODY FOR DRAGGING THIS OUT.
I JUST WANNA BE CERTAIN THAT WHAT WE SAY IN THE ORDINANCE IS WHAT IS REALLY INTENDED.
AND I APOLOGIZE TO THE REPRESENTATIVES THAT ARE THERE.
I JUST, THIS IS MORE OF A WORDING ISSUE WITH US.
IT'S NOT ANYTHING AGAINST YOUR SIGN OR ANYTHING, IT'S JUST WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY PROPOSING TO MOVE FORWARD.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION? OH, COME ON MURPHY.
YOU ARE, YOU MAKE A MOTION THIS TIME.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS, AS WE DISCUSS THE CHANGES OR, UH, WELL, I THINK THE, THE ONLY CHANGES IS THE 2,500 ON THE MMKT, UH,
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GRID.IS THAT THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
SO IT'S JUST A, UM, CORRECTION ON THE RECORD.
1200 6500 SQUARE BASED ON, AS PRESENTED.
WOULD THE MOTION ALSO NEED TO INCLUDE THE CONDITIONS ON THE, THE TIES AND THE MORTAR JOINTS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED BY LANDMARK? HMM.
MURPHY, THAT WAS ALL THE MOUNTING STUFF THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, GOING THROUGH THE MORTAR AND REINFORCING BECAUSE LANDMARK APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS.
SO WE, ARE WE MAKING A MOTION TO THAT LANDMARK'S CONDITIONS? IS THAT UPDATED IN THE LANDMARK APPROVAL AS A CONDITION? UH, IT WAS IN THE REPORT.
SO IF THE CCOMMODATION THAT THEY'RE DOING FOR THE APPROVAL WILL BE THAT, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING PER, UH, DR.
DUNE, IS THAT A YES OR A NO? YES.
SO LANDMARK SPECIFIED THAT THEY HAVE TO BE MOUNTED IN THE MORTAR.
SO THAT MEANS IT'S ALREADY IN VIA LANDMARK.
DO WE NEED TO SUBSTANTIATE IT AGAIN IN THIS, LET, LET, LEMME MAKE A CORRECTION THAT THE LANDMARK, UH, HAS NOT APPROVED IT YET.
BUT THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION I GUESS.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S QUESTION IS, DO WE NEED TO INCLUDE IN YOUR MOTION MURPHY THAT YOUR MOTION IS CONTINGENT UPON ADHERENCE TO LANDMARK COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS, AS WELL AS THE CHANGE THAT WE MENTIONED EARLIER? UH, I LIKE THAT.
WE REGULARLY GET QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THESE, UM, SIGNS ARE GOING TO BE ATTACHED.
SO IT'LL, IT'LL, IT'LL SAVE TIME AT CPC IF THE MOTION INCLUDES THAT.
WELL THEN I'LL, UH, AMEND TO MY RECOMMENDATION WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL BASED, UH, WITH THE INCLUSION THAT ALL MOUNTING MUST BE, UH, PENETRATIONS MUST BE, UH, DONE IN MORTAR JOINTS AS PER LANDMARK COMMISSION.
SO, SO WITH THAT REAL QUICK QUESTION, AND YOU STILL HAD THE 2,500 CORRECTION IN THERE AS WELL, RIGHT? NO, IT'S GOTTA GO, IT'S GOTTA GO HERE AND THEN GET A LANDMARK APPROVAL AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA APPROVE IT UNLESS IT'S SPECIFIED ANYWAY.
SO IT WOULD BEHOOVE THE, THE SUBMITTER TO, UH, MAKE THAT AN INCLUSION REGARDLESS.
I I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN MENTION THE LANDMARK, UH, RECOMMENDATION IN THE MOTION IF THE LANDMARK WERE TO ELIMINATE THAT REQUIREMENT.
SO THEN IF YOU'RE RECOMMENDING PER LANDMARK'S RECOMMENDATION AND RECOMMENDATION CHANGES FOR LANDMARK, THAT WOULD COMPLICATE IT MOVING FORWARD.
SO I THINK IF, IF IT JUST SAYS THAT, UH, WELL THEN LET'S JOINTS, UH, A COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION IN TOTAL.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, YOU'VE RUN INTO THIS, SEE WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE RULING? COULD THE MOTION JUST SAY WITH THE CONDITION THAT, UH, TIES SUPPORT THE SIGNAGE AND THE TIES HAVE TO BE ATTACHED VIA MORTAR JOINTS? CORRECT.
IN THAT CASE, I CAN SECOND COMMISSIONER, UH,
NOW THAT WE'VE BEAT IT AROUND THE BUSH A BIT, SO I'LL SECOND.
THAT CASE WE'LL GO THROUGH, UH, DO A ROLL CALL.
UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, HOW DO YOU VOTE? AYE.
THANKS EVERYBODY FOR PATIENCE.
CAN YOU CONFIRM FACTS? THANK YOU.
SO HAS EVERYBODY LOOKED AT THE MEETING MINUTES? I DID, AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY CHANGES, BUT THEN I'VE SLEPT SINCE I READ 'EM LAST.
YEAH, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF WEEKS SINCE I READ 'EM TOO, BUT, UH, I SAW NOTHING OUT OF, OUT OF ORDER.
I DIDN'T SEE ANY, I WASN'T AT THE, I WASN'T AT THE MEETING, SO I CAN'T ATTEST TO THEM.
I, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING OUT OF ORDER.
SO THE MEETING MINUTES STANDS AS A WRITTEN.
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LAST ITEM IS THE, UM, APPROVAL OF THE, UM, 2024 TO 2025 CALENDAR.I DIDN'T SEE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE CALENDAR.
SO DO WE NEED A MOTION? UM, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE, UH, THE CALENDAR AS STATED.
UM, WE'LL DO, UM, ROLL CALL FOR THE CALENDAR COOKIE.
ANY, ANY OTHER ITEMS? THAT'S IT.
THAT CONCLUDES S-S-C-A-C AT 11:29 AM GOOD ONE.
APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S PATIENCE AND WAITING THROUGH THESE.
THANKS EVERYBODY FOR SHOWING UP.