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[Landmark Commission Meeting on November 4, 2024. ]
OFFIT THAT, DO WE KNOW? IT JUST HARD.WE CAN ONLY SEE THE TOP OF YOUR HEADS OVER THERE
AREN'T THE CHAIRS COMFY? DON'T YOU LIKE IT UP HERE? NOT WITH US.
ALRIGHT, I THINK WE CAN BEGIN NOW.
EVERYBODY, WELCOME TO THE MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.
SORRY WE'RE SLIGHTLY LATE, BUT I'M CALLING THE MEETING TO ORDER AT ONE 10.
WE DIDN'T GET MUCH TIME FOR LUNCH.
UH, WE HAVE A QUORUM OF COMMISSIONERS HERE.
I AM THE CHAIR, EVELYN MONTGOMERY AND OUR VICE CHAIR IS COURTNEY FELL AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS JUST WONDERFUL TOO.
SO LET US BEGIN WITH A ROLL CALL OF ALL THOSE WONDERFUL COMMISSIONERS.
DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, PRESENT, DISTRICT TWO.
COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY PRESENT, DISTRICT THREE.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR PRESENT, DISTRICT FIVE.
PRESENT TODAY? ACTUALLY I DON'T SEE ALL HERE.
PRE ELSIE PRESENT DISTRICT 14.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER? UM, COMMISSIONER REEVES WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS PRESENT.
SO TO BEGIN OUR BUSINESS, UM, I BELIEVE THAT OUR VICE CHAIR HAS UH, SOME MOTIONS TO MAKE.
FIRST I WANT TO, UH, ADDRESS THE CONSENT ITEMS. I MOVE TO APPROVE.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING CONSENT ITEM TWO TO DISCUSSION.
SO I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS ONE AND THREE THROUGH EIGHT PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
COMMISSIONER POSI FOR YOUR SECOND.
IF THERE IS NO DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THAT MOTION IS CARRIED.
SO IF YOU WERE HERE FOR CONSENT, AGENDA ITEMS, ANYTHING EXCEPT CONSENT.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, YOU HAVE BEEN, UM, MOVED FORWARD ACCORDING TO WHATEVER STAFF RECOMMEND GET RECOMMENDED FOR YOU.
I MOVE TO REARRANGE OUR AGENDA THIS AFTERNOON TO BEGIN WITH CONSENT ITEM TWO FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEM ONE.
DISCUSSION ITEM THREE, DISCUSSION ITEM FOUR, ENDING WITH DISCUSSION ITEM TWO.
UH, IT'S JUST TO VERIFY IT, WE HAVE SOME SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR D THREE THAT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YET.
ALRIGHT, SO IT IS 1 3 4 2 4 2 AFTER CONSENT.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO AND THE SECOND WAS A SECOND.
THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER PREZI WAS JUST A TINY BIT OF PRODDING
ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
OR YES OR SOMETHING? ANY OPPOSED? NO ONE IS OPPOSED.
WE ARE READY TO BEGIN THEN WITH CONSENT.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, IF STAFF WOULD, UM, PLEASE READ THAT IN.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 5 0 1 SECOND AVENUE.
IT'S KNOWN AS THE GULF REFINING COMPANY DISTRIBUTING PLANT SLASH HISTORY HICKORY STREET ANNEX DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 4 5 DASH OH FOUR SIX RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY REAR ADDITION TO ACCESSORY BUILDING D AND CONNECT ACCESSORY BUILDING C AND D WITH
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A HYPHEN EDITION.THE SECOND REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY REAR ADDITION TO ACCESSORY BUILDING E.
THE THIRD REQUEST IS TO OR IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RESTORE DOCK DOOR OPENINGS AND INFILL WITH GLAZING SLASH GLASS ON ACCESSORY BUILDINGS C, D, AND E STAFF.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY REAR ADDITION TO ACCESSORY BUILDING D AND CONNECT ACCESSORY BUILDING C AND D WITH THE HYEN EDITION BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 23 24.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTIONS 9.3, 9.4, 9.5, 9.6, AND 9.9 UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION G SIX C ROMAN AT ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY REAR ADDITION TO ACCESSORY BUILDING E BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 23 24.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTIONS 9.3, 9.4, EXCUSE ME.
OKAY, 9.5, 9.6, AND 9.9 UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS, THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
RECOMMENDATION THREE IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RESTORE DOCK DOOR OPENINGS AND INFILL WITH GLAZING OR GLASS ON ACCESSORY BUILDING C, D, AND E BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 23 24.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION SECTION 5.7 PERTAINING TO FENESTRATION AND OPENINGS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SIX, SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY REAR ADDITION TO ACCESSORY BUILDING D AND CONNECT ACCESSORY BUILDINGS C AND D WITH A HYPHEN EDITION BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY REAR EDITION TO ACCESSORY BUILDING E BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO RESTORE DOCK DOOR OPENINGS AND INFILL WITH GLAZING GLASS ON ACCESSORY BUILDING C, D, AND E BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
AND WE DO HAVE TWO REGISTERED SPEAKERS ON THIS ONE.
ARE THEY HERE OR ONLINE? OKAY.
WHICH ONE OF YOU WANTS TO GO FIRST? ALRIGHT, SIR.
WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND THEN YOU HAVE TO PROMISE YOU'RE GONNA TELL US THE TRUTH,
STAFF WILL CHECK IT IF IT'S NOT, IS IT ON? IS IT ON NOW? I THINK IT MUST BE.
UH, I'M THE OWNER OF THE HICKORY ANNEX.
I ACTUALLY LIVE AT THE ANNEX AT 5 0 1 SOUTH SECOND AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 6.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I NEED TO DO? THAT'S IT.
NOW YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO, UM, GIVE US ANY INFORMATION YOU WISH TO SHARE ABOUT YOUR REQUEST.
UM, I BASICALLY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY 27 YEARS AGO.
IT WAS KIND OF A PILE OF BRICKS AND HAVE BEEN MAINTAINING IT AND RENOVATING IT FOR YEARS.
UM, I WORKED WITH JAY ING WITH A TEXAS A OVER 15 YEARS AGO DESPERATELY AND HARDLY TO GET IT ON THE NATIONAL ED HISTORIC PLACES, WHICH IS A GREAT FEAT THAT WE DID.
UM, WE'RE, IT'S KIND OF A HORSESHOE GRAPE GROUP OF BUILDINGS, A LONG BUILDING ALONG SECOND AVENUE, THE BIG TWO STORY WAREHOUSE BUILDING.
AND THEN THERE'S THREE SMALL BUILDINGS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT
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DON'T HAVE SEWER, DON'T HAVE WATER.ONE OF 'EM USED TO BE A COOPER SHOP WHERE THEY BUILT BARRELS.
AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS FINALLY DEVELOP THAT, THOSE THREE LITTLE BUILDINGS.
AND TO DO THAT, WE'RE ADDING A LITTLE STRUCTURE IN BETWEEN BUILDING C AND D THAT WE ARE WANTING TO GET APPROVED TODAY.
UM, FRED MEYER, I'D JUST LIKE TO LET HIM SPEAK FOR A LITTLE BIT.
HE'S MY ARCHITECT THAT'S WORKED ON THE PROJECT AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THEM BETTER THAN I CAN.
LET YOU STAY CLOSE IN CASE WE NEED TO ASK YOU COOK.
AND YOU HEARD THE DRILL NAME, ADDRESS AND TRUTHFULNESS?
UH, PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
MY NAME IS FRED MEYER WITH STUDIO MEYER ARCHITECTS.
UH, AND, UM, MY ADDRESS IS, UH, THE, THE ADDRESS OF THE PROJECT OR JUST MY YOURS? YEAH.
IT'S, UH, 4 0 8 EXPOSITION AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS, 7 5 2 2 6.
ALRIGHTYY, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AS WELL.
UM, SO YEAH, SO THE, UM, GARY, WE, WE'VE KNOWN EACH OTHER A LONG TIME.
I'VE DONE SOME, A LOT OF WORK, UM, AT THE HICKORY STREET ANNEX COMPLEX AND, UH, VARIOUS RENOVATIONS.
UM, THIS, THERE'S THREE, THREE BUILDINGS THAT REALLY DID NOT HAVE PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE TO THEM.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THE TENANTS THAT THEY, THEY NEEDED OR THE TYPE.
AND SO THERE'S FIVE BUILDINGS IN THE COMPLEX.
THESE ARE THE LAST THREE THAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO, UM, BRING THE, BRING TO LIFE AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, FULL SET OF OFFICE USE, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, CREATIVE OFFICE SPACES.
UM, SO, UM, THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
AND THEN, SO THE, THE BUILDING C AND D, UH, WE'RE, WE, OUR APPROACH IS, UH, TO MINIMALLY, UM, I GUESS TOUCH THE EXISTING FACADES, JUST REPAIR BRICK, UH, CLEAN UP THE WINDOWS AND THEN INSERT THE, THE ADDITION BETWEEN THEM.
UM, A LIGHTWEIGHT ADDITION, UH, MOSTLY MADE OF GLASS, BUT REFERENCING THE DOCK OR INFILL, UM, WHERE WE HAVE THAT IN IN SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS.
UM, BUILDING IN, BUILDING E IT'S REALLY THE ADDITION IS TUCKED AROUND THE BACK AND, AND, UM, OTHER THAN JUST EDITING, WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING ONE DOOR OUT, UM, AND, AND, UM, REPLACING THAT.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE, IT'S MOSTLY JUST REPAIRS AND THE FACADES.
SO I THINK THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.
NOW WE CALL UPON COMMISSIONERS WHO MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS OF EITHER OUR SPEAKERS OR OUR STAFF MEMBERS REGARDING THIS PROJECT.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, ARE YOU GETTING NATIONAL RE NATIONAL REGISTER TAX CREDITS FOR THIS PROJECT? YEAH, THAT'S THE PLAN, YES.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET TAX CREDITS.
UM, MY CONCERN, I BELIEVE THESE ARE SMALL VERNACULAR BUILDINGS AND THE ADDITION, WHICH HAS BEEN CALLED A HYPHEN OR A SMALL ADDITION, I THINK KIND OF GRANDSTANDS THE BUILDINGS.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO MAKE THAT LESS, UM, LESS PRESENCE, MAYBE SOMETHING A LITTLE SMALLER? I KNOW YOU SAID YOU NEED TO HAVE BATHROOMS AND, AND, AND WA UM, WATER, BUT COULD YOU MAKE A, A SMALLER ADDITION SO THAT THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS ARE MORE PROMINENT? IS THAT POSSIBLE? BY, BY SMALLER DO YOU MEAN LOWER OR DO YOU MEAN NARROWER AND LOWER? IT, IT APPEARS THAT THE, CAN YOU PUT THE, THE PICTURE UP OF THE HOLD ON IT, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT IT IS JUST, YOU'RE, YOU'RE KIND OF CONNECTING IT TWO BUILDINGS WITH A, A, A ALMOST A SOLID PIECE.
WHAT I, WHAT I SEE IS IT'S NOT REALLY AN ADDITION.
YOU'RE AC YOU HAVE ONE LARGE BUILDING NOW I'D RATHER SEE IT BE CONNECTED WITH A SMALLER TYPE STRUCTURE.
AND ALSO THE, THE, THE TOP PIECES ARE, ARE TALLER THAN THE PARAPET.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY ALSO NOT A REALLY GOOD, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE ADDITION IS MORE SUBSERVIENT TO THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, IN MY OPINION.
SO THE, UM, I GUESS THE, THIS IS A VIEW THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL, YOU'LL, YOU'LL NEVER REALLY PERCEIVE THE, CAN WE GO TO THE YOU? I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S FORWARDED IT BACK, BUT CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? I, UH, IT BE ONE OF THE OTHER VIEWPOINTS, BUT, UM, UH, OH, THAT'S WEIRD.
UM, ANYWAY, SO THE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID WHEN WE, WHEN WE DID THIS ADDITION IS
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WE, WE KEPT IT, UM, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE GROUND, IT'S PERCEIVED DIFFERENTLY THAN THAT AERIAL.UM, SO I JUST WANT TO GET TO THAT IMAGE TO SEE IF WE CAN'T, UM, LOOK AT IT FROM A, A GROUND PERSPECTIVE.
UM, THERE'S AN ELEVATION OF IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KEPT THE, THE DOORWAYS ARE, UH, THAT'S ALL GLASS, SO I, AND THERE IT'S ALSO RECESSED TOO.
SO, UM, BETWEEN THE TWO OF THOSE, YEAH, SHOULD BE THE NEXT ONE.
SO WE TRY TO, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THE, THE, YOU SEE THE DOCK DOORS ON THE RIGHT AND LEFT BUILDINGS BUILDING C AND D, WHICH IS A INDUSTRIAL STEEL INFIELD WITH THOSE OPENINGS.
SO IN THE CENTER BUILDING, WE, WE CREATED THAT AGAIN, IT'S ANOTHER VERSION OF THAT IN THE MIDDLE, RIGHT.
SO, UM, AND THEN THE RESTROOM WALL ON THE BACK IS MASON BRICK MASONRY THAT WE'RE USING FROM REPAIRS THAT WE'RE MAKING ON BUILDING D.
SO YOU'LL HAVE THE, UM, IN THE BACKGROUND, YOU'VE GOT THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE MASONRY THROUGH THE GLASS, UM, BACK TO THESE BUILDINGS IN THE FRONT, UH, WHEN THE LIGHT HITS THIS, UM, WHICH IT WILL IN THE MORNING.
I MEAN, THESE FRONT FACADES ARE ILLUMINATED COMPLETELY MM-HMM.
UM, SO TO ME, WHEN I SEE THAT, I, I SEE, I SEE THE TWO BUILDINGS ON THE SIDE, IT'S BEING PROMINENT.
UM, AND I SEE THE, THE GLASS IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S CORNER GLASS, WHICH, WHICH REALLY ERODES THE, THE TOP IMAGE.
IT ERODES THE CORNER OF THE, UM, OF THE VOLUME ITSELF SO THAT THE BUILDING CORNER ROOTS.
SO NOT ONLY ARE WE, ARE WE, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE THE TWO FRONT FACADES BEING MAINTAINED, BUT YOU WE'RE TAKING IT AROUND THE CORNER SO THAT THE VOLUME OF THE BUILDING IS ALSO, UH, IT, IT ALSO READS AS IT AS IT CURRENTLY DOES.
I THINK I CAN HAVE A MORE OF A CONCERN ABOUT THE, THE BACKSIDE, HOW IT'S TALLER THAN THE OTHER BUILDING.
AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'VE ADDED A MASSIVE PIECE ONTO TWO VERNACULAR BUILDINGS.
SO IN THE BACK, IF WE LOWERED THE ROOF PITCH OR MAYBE DID A SHED ROOF SO THAT IT REC RECEIVE FROM THE FRONT, IT RECEDED ALL THE WAY DOWN.
UM, WOULD THAT BE KIND OF MORE ACCEPTABLE, SOMETHING IN THAT RANGE? I MEAN, IT'S WHERE THE PITCH OF THE ROOF, THE, THE PEAK OF THE ROOF WOULD, WE COULD GET IT BELOW THE PARAPET OF THE, UH, OF THE BUILDING.
IS THAT SORT OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? I, I JUST SEE VERY MASSIVE REAR ADDITION.
THE REAR SIDE IS VERY MASSIVE AND IT JUST KIND OF IN CA GULF OF THESE TWO HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
SO, SO YOUR, YOUR CONCERN IS JUST IT BEING TWO STORY IN GENERAL THEN? WELL, THE TWO STORY AND THE MASS, I MEAN, IT, IT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BASICALLY GOBBLE THOSE TWO LITTLE BUILDINGS UP WITH THIS MASSIVE PIECE ON THE BACK.
WELL, THE, SO THE BUILDING C DOESN'T EVEN REALLY HAVE ANYTHING BEHIND IT.
IT'S, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S BUILDING D IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, AND WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'RE TRYING TO DO A TWO STORY VOLUME ON, IN, IN BUILDING D AND I THINK IF WE, IF WE, UM, I THINK IF WE ADJUST THE ROOF LINES, UM, I THINK WE CAN GET IT LOWER AND A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, MAYBE SLOPING OUT OF THE BACK TO WHERE IT'S, AND MAYBE INSTEAD OF COMING OVER THE TOP OF THE PARAPET, WE CAN TRY TO, UM, JUST COME UP TO THE, FOR THE BACK OF IT AND, AND LET THE PACK IN THE PARAPET READ.
IS THAT, IS THAT THE APPROACH YOU'RE THINKING? OKAY.
I GUESS I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE THE COMMENT THAT I THINK WHAT FRED DID IN HIS DRIVING FORCE WAS, IS TO KIND OF HAVE A JEWEL BOX HERE WHERE THAT'S IT.
WHEN IT'S VIEWED FROM THE FRONT, IT REALLY DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM THE, THE TWO OLD BUILDINGS.
AND HE'S BEEN VERY CAREFUL NOT TO, TO, TO BARELY TOUCH THE, TO SET THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF BACK TO WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY BEHIND THE EXISTING WINDOWS.
UM, I I I, I, I GUESS I SEE IT MORE AS A VERY TRANSPARENT LIGHT STRUCTURE AS OPPOSED TO A, SOMETHING THAT DOMINATES.
SO I THINK I, YOU'RE MAINLY CONCERNED, IT SEEMS LIKE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE
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BUILDING, BECAUSE FROM THE PARKING LOT, YOU CAN'T SEE THAT TWO STORY STRUCTURE ABOVE THE PARAPET.SO ALSO, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THAT THAT TWO STORY FACES A, AN EASEMENT THAT'S FORMALLY TRUNK AVENUE BACK THERE.
AND ALSO, AND BEHIND THAT IS A, IS A, UM, DART STORAGE YARD, UM, JUST FULL OF EQUIPMENT, RANDOM EQUIPMENT.
SO JUST, I MEAN, WE KNOW THE SITE, SO, YOU KNOW, WE WERE KIND OF, WE WERE PROBABLY OVER A LITTLE OVERLY FOCUSED ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
UM, BUT JUST KNOW THAT, THAT ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT, UM, THAT'S WHAT'S BACK THERE.
IT'S, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU GO BACK THERE AND IT'S, IT'S A BUNCH OF, UM, RANDOM STORAGE PARTS, UM, THAT'S REALLY LOOKS LIKE AN ABANDONED SITE.
I HAD A QUESTION REGARDING THE, IN THE HYPHEN, UM, THE SHADE TRELLIS, I GUESS THAT EXTENDS BEYOND BUILDING, WHAT IS THAT, B AND BNC, C AND D, UM, IS THAT NECESSARY FOR SUN SHADING OR IS THAT JUST A STATEMENT PIECE OR? WELL, WE WERE, SINCE IT IS A CONFERENCE ROOM, WE ARE HOPING TO PUT SOME SHADING ON IT FOR THE, YOU KNOW, MORNING AND UP TO MIDDAY SUN.
UM, IT'S, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S ITS MAIN PURPOSE.
AND THEN, UM, I, I GUESS THE BOTTOM I HAD WITH IT IS EXTENDING BEYOND THE TWO ORIGINAL HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND SORT OF CALLING MORE ATTENTION TO ITSELF THAN, THAN THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS THEMSELVES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO REMEDY THAT OR NOT.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK, UM, WE COULD GET SOME SORT OF SHADING ON THERE WITHOUT IT BEING, UM, LOOKING LIKE IT'S, IT'S, UH, TRYING TO OVERTAKE THE OTHER BUILDINGS.
I WAS WONDERING IF WE COULD SEE THE, THE BLOCK IN ITS GREATER CON OR RATHER THIS PROJECT IN ITS GREATER CONTEXT TO SEE THE ENTIRE BLOCK.
BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE INTERNAL ELEVATIONS, NOT EXTERNAL ONES.
AND I, I HOPE EVERYBODY CAN UNDERSTAND THAT POINT OF VIEW.
THIS IS ACTUALLY A PRIVATE PARKING LOT.
IT'S NOT ON A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, BUT IN, IN FACT, THE, THE FRONT ELEVATION IS REALLY ON SECOND AVENUE AND HICKORY, WHICH ARE OPPOSITE OF THIS SPACE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO AS, AND IT'S GATED, SO IT'S A PRIVATE PARKING AREA.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ON A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO IT'S NEVER VISIBLE FROM THE OUTSIDE.
YEAH, YOU HAD IT, IF YOU GO BACK DOWN TO WHERE YOU WERE, THERE WAS A, THAT PHOTO SHOWS IT REALLY WELL, UH, THE ASSEMBLY OF THE BUILDINGS AND THEN THE RIGHT AFTER THAT, THERE WERE TWO SIDE PLANS.
UH, YOU CAN KEEP GOING PAST THE APPLICATION.
SO THE SITE, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN STOP THERE.
UM, SO YEAH, SECOND AVENUE IS, YEAH, SEE THAT'S THERE.
UM, BUT, AND, UM, HICKORY'S ON THE OTHER SIDE, SO YEAH, YOU HAVE TO, TO SEE THESE BUILDINGS, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO, IT'S THROUGH A, A MOTORIZED GATE, UM, AFTER HOURS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, DURING THE, DURING BUSINESS HOURS, IT'S OPEN FROM NINE TO FIVE.
UM, THERE'S A BACK GATE AS WELL, BUT IT'S REALLY ONLY OPEN ON TRASH DAY.
SO, UH, SO THESE WOULD BE SITTING INTERNALLY, UH, COMPLETELY.
THAT WAS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE REVIEWING IS ACTUALLY INSIDE ALMOST A, YOU KNOW, IN INTERNAL PRIVATE YARD, UH, I REALIZE IT'S FOR PARKING AND IN, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY DURING OPEN OR RATHER DURING, UH, OFFICE HOURS, THE GATE IS OPEN FOR, FOR ACCESS.
IT'S, OR IS IT, UM, ONLY ACCESSIBLE BY, BY TENANTS OR IS IT VISITED REGULARLY BY ANYONE COMING TO DO BUSINESS WITH? YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S OPEN FOR BUSINESS.
THE GATE'S OPEN FOR NINE TO FIVE FOR VISITORS.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S A WIRE THERE THAT HAS MEDIATION AND THEY, YEAH, THESE CLIENTS COME.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS, THEN IT IS TIME FOR SOMEONE TO HAVE A MOTION.
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RENO.UM, REGARDING CONSENT ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, 5 0 1 SECOND AVENUE, OTHERWISE KNOWN, UH OH, SORRY.
UH, THE C UH, CASE NUMBER CA UH, 2 45 DASH TWO OR 0 4 6 RD.
THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND, UH, APPROVE AS, UH, AS NOTED SECOND.
WHO WAS THE SECOND COMMISSIONER? GAY.
NEITHER ME OR ELAINE, SO, ALL RIGHT.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OF THIS MOTION? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
'CAUSE I DO FEEL THAT THE ADDITION IS GRANDSTANDING.
THE, THE BUILDINGS AND THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS ARE BEING BURIED FROM THE BACKSIDE PARTICULARLY.
UM, AND, AND THE BIG ISSUE IS AT THE HEIGHT IS, IS HIGHER THAN THE PARAPET, WHICH IS NOT GOAL WITH THE, THE STANDARDS THAT WE BELIEVE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHTY.
WELL, I, I WOULD AGREE THAT IT WOULD BE NICER IF THE ROOF WAS NOT ABOVE THAT PARAPET, BUT, UM, I DID LONG AGO VISIT THIS COMPLEX OCCASIONALLY WHEN MY HUSBAND HAD A BUSINESS THERE AND I NEVER EVEN LOOKED AT THOSE TWO LITTLE BUILDINGS.
I MUST CONFESS, I'M NOT SURE I WOULD'VE NOTICED A ROOF POPPING UP ABOVE THEM.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER USE UNLESS THEY GET I HAVE A QUESTION WHAT THEY NEED.
UH, YOU HAVE A COMMENT? COMMENT? I, I HAVE A COMMENT.
UM, WELL, I GUESS I DON'T HAVE A COMMENT.
I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE WAS A, UM, UH, AN ALTERNATE THAT WAS NOT, THAT WAS DISCUSSED ON THE, UH, AWNING THAT PROTRUDED THE BUILDINGS AND THERE, THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE BEEN A MOTION FOR THAT DISCUSS.
WE NOT DISCUSS THE ALTERNATES OF THAT.
WE DID DISCUSS AN ALTERNATE ON THE ROOF AND IF THE MAKER AND SECOND WERE INTERESTED IN ADDRESSING THAT, THEY COULD OR THEY COULD LEAVE IT AND JUST GO WITH WHAT WE HAVE, WHICHEVER THEY WANT.
I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND OR UM, FURTHER UNDERSTAND OUR, OUR PURVIEW HERE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS FROM THE, THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, AND NOT INTERNAL TO THE SITE.
UM, PERHAPS THAT QUESTION OR RATHER, UM, CAN CLAR, CAN STAFF STA UM, CLARIFY, UH, IT'S, IT'S VIEWS FROM THE STREET AND DO WE HAVE A JURISDICTION OVER THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE AND IS THE PARKING LOT SORT OF A PUBLIC RIGHT PLACE OF VIEWING? HOLD ON.
IN THE SITE PLAN, IT DOES INCLUDE THOSE TWO LITTLE BUILDINGS, BUT THOSE THREE BUILDINGS, BUT IT BASICALLY SAYS THAT ANY NEW BUILD NEEDS TO BE SET BACK 25% FROM THE FRONT STEERING WALL OF THOSE TWO BUILDINGS.
IT'S JUST THAT THE CANOPY OVERHANGS OR EXTENDS A LITTLE BIT INTO THAT 25%.
RIGHT? UM, BUT THE CANOPY IS THERE TO PROTECT BOTH THE INHABITANTS AND RIGHT.
ANYONE APPROACHING THE, UH, THAT ROOM FROM THE OUTSIDE.
SO IT IS VERY USEFUL AND NECESSARY.
I'M GONNA LEAVE MY MOTION AS IS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR SHOULD WE CALL FOR THE VOTE? NO OTHER COMMENTS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED OF THIS MOTION? SAY NO, NO, NO.
I THINK THERE WERE THREE PLUS.
ANYBODY AT HOME? DID ANYBODY AT HOME SAY NO? OKAY.
SO WE CAN FOREGO A ROLL CALL VOTE BECAUSE CLEARLY THE MOTION HAS CARRIED.
SECOND, IT WAS COMMISSIONER PREZI, OSI SHERMAN AND, AND ANDERSON.
ALL RIGHT, SO CONGRATULATIONS GENTLEMEN.
ALRIGHT, NEXT UP IS DISCUSSION ITEM ONE, WHICH IS AT FAIR PARK AND WE STACK WILL READ THAT IN AND THEN WE DO HAVE TWO ONE SPEAKER, TWO SPEAKERS.
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OKAY.RHONDA DUNN SPEAKING, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1600 OR WILL BE CITED AT 1600 COLISEUM DRIVE IN THE FAIR PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 4 5 DASH OH FOUR EIGHT RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY 30,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING IN THE EAST PARKING SUBDISTRICT OF THE RE RENOVATION ZONE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY 30,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING IN THE EAST PARKING SUBDISTRICT OF THE RENOVATION ZONE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 8 26 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT A LANDSCAPE PLAN DESIGN, INCLUDING FLOOD MITIGATION SPECIFICS BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH RESERVATION CRITERIA SECTIONS 6.3, SUBDIVISION B THREE 6.3, SUBDIVISION B FOUR 6.3, SUBDIVISION B FIVE AND 6.3 SUBDIVISION B SIX UNDER EAST PARKING SUBDISTRICT THE, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION COMMENTS ONLY, WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS, REVIEW ORDINANCE PRESERVATION CRITERIA AND ADDRESS IN DESIGN AND PRESENTATION, PARTICULARLY WITH REGARD TO MASONRY AND PLASTER FOR THE EAST PARKING SUBDISTRICT.
I GUESS, SHOULD I READ THE NOTE PLEASE? UH, MIGHT AS WELL.
SO IT'S IN NOTES IN RESPONSE TO TASK FORCE COMMENTS, THE APPLICANT CHANGED THE PROPOSED EXTERIOR CLADDING FROM EXTERIOR INSULATION FINISHING SYSTEM OR ETHOS TO A CEMENT.
AND WE HAVE OUR TWO REGISTERED SPEAKERS ON THIS.
UM, ARE THEY IN PERSON OR ONLINE OR WE'RE HERE IN PERSON.
SO, UM, WE HAVE DOWN, UH, CHRIS ANDERSON AND JASON HAYES.
WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST? JASON HAYES.
I'M SURE YOU HEARD WE NEED YOUR NAME, ADDRESS AND YOUR PROMISE TO BE TRUTHFUL.
I'M SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF THE STATE FAIR OF TEXANS.
UM, I LIVE AT 1 0 4 4 7 COAL RIDGE HERE IN EAST DALLAS AND I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
OKAY, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO DISCUSS YOUR PROJECT WITH US AND THEN WE'LL ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
TODAY WE SHARE OUR PLANS TO REMAIN COMMITTED TO FAIR PARK WITH THE REQUEST OF APPROVAL FOR PHASE ONE OF THE STATE FAIR OF TEXAS NEW ADMINISTRATION COMPLEX FOR MORE THAN SIX YEARS.
WE HAVE THOUGHTFULLY PLANNED THIS FACILITY NOT ONLY WITH THE FAIREST FUTURE IN MIND, BUT WITH THE GOALS OF ALL PRIVATE AND CIVIC PARTIES INVESTED IN FAIR PARK'S SUCCESS.
THIS BUILDING AND ITS LOCATION HAVE BEEN VETTED AND AGREED TO WITH THE DALLAS PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, ITS BOARD AND ITS PROJECTED GOALS FOR PARK FAIR PARK FAIR PARK FIRST, AND HOW THE FACILITY RELATES TO THE 2020 FAIR PARK MASTER PLAN SPECIFICALLY TO THE NEW COMMUNITY PARK AND THE PROPOSED BLACKLAND PRAIRIE TRAIL CURRENTLY PROPOSED FOR A PORTION OF THE COLISEUM PARKING LOT AND OAKVIEW GROUP, THE MANAGEMENT PARTNER OF FAIR PARK.
THE PHASE ONE PROPORTION OF THE COMPLEX BEFORE YOU TODAY INCLUDE THE CURRENT AND PROJECTED GROWTH SPACE NEED OF THE STATE FAIR FOR THE NEXT 30 TO 50 YEARS.
IN ADDITION TO FACILITY INCLUDES AN EXPANDED STATE FAIR OF TEXAS ARCHIVE FACILITY AND A 3000 SQUARE FOOT MULTIPURPOSE MEETING SPACE, BOTH ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC FOR USE.
THE SPACE ALSO INCLUDES A PROPOSED GOLF CART PARKING ZONE FOR FAIR TIME USE, WHICH TRANSITIONS TO ONE OF OUR BIG TECH URBAN FARM OPERATIONS IN THE OFF SEASON.
THE BROWN SPACE THAT WAS QUESTIONED THIS MORNING SEEN ON PAGE D ONE DASH 36 ORIENTATION OF THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN CONSIDERED, UM, DURING FAIR TIME OPERATIONS, NON-TIME OPERATIONS, AND HOW FAIR PARK TENANTS AND OPERATORS USE THE FACILITIES AND PARKING LOTS IN THE ZONE FOR VARIOUS ACTIVITIES AND ATTRACTIONS AND THE GRADES TO THE GRADE OF THE PROPOSED LOCATION.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A POINT OF CLARITY THAT AROSE FROM THIS MORNING'S BRIEFING.
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THE STATE FAIR OF TEXAS CURRENTLY OFFICES ADMINISTRATION OPERA OPERATIONS AT THE FAIR PARK MUNICIPAL BUILDING BUILT IN 1936.THIS BUILDING IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE SOUTH RAMP OF THE COTTON BOWL.
THIS BUILDING WILL NOT BE TORN DOWN IN ANY CURRENT OR FUTURE PLANS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS FACILITY.
THE FACILITY THAT IS UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR DEMOLITION, DEMOLITION AFTER AN APPROPRIATE APPROVED PHASE CO TWO CONSTRUCTION IS, IS A CORRUGATED STILL FACILITY KNOWN AS THE JOHN THOMPSON CENTER THAT IS IN THE SOUTHEAST SECTOR OF THE MIDWAY AS RENDERED ON PAGE D 1 31 THROUGH D ONE DASH 36 IN THE PACKET.
THIS FACILITY WAS BUILT IN 2000 IN HOUSES.
THE SEASONAL FATIME SPECIFIC OPERATIONS, THOSE OPERATIONS WOULD MOVE TO THE NEW FACILITY ONCE PHASE TWO IS COMPLETE.
UH, AS ANOTHER POINT OF CLARITY, THIS WILL ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE 12 MONTH LEASE AREA THAT THE FAIR HOLDS WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.
THIS IS FULLY LOCATED ON THE MIDWAY, NOT IN THE COLISEUM PARKING LOT.
THE APPROPRIATE SITE LOCATION IS LOCATED IN, UH, THE PACKET THAT YOU ALL RECEIVED.
THE SITE WAS MUTUALLY DETERMINED WITH THE GUIDANCE OF PARKS AND REC.
THANK YOU MS. COMMISSIONER OSA? YES.
I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN GIVE THE GENTLEMAN, UH, THREE MORE MINUTES TO FINISH UP.
DO YOU MAKE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT? I MOVE THAT WE GIVE THE GENTLEMAN THREE MINUTES TO FINISH UP SECOND AND THE SECOND CAME FROM COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
ALRIGHT, UH, EVERYONE IN FAVOR? YES.
ORIENTATION OF THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN DETERMINED BY CONSIDERING FAIR TIME OPERATIONS, NON-AIR TIME OPERATIONS, AND HOW THE PARK TENANTS USE THE FACILITY.
UH, I'VE MADE THE POINT OF CLARITY THAT WE WILL NOT BE TEARING DOWN ANY HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT FACILITIES WITHIN FAIR PARK.
THE FACILITY THAT'S UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR DEMOLITION DEMOLITION IS AGAIN THE JOHN THOMPSON CENTER THAT WAS BUILT BY THE STATE FAIR OF TEXAS IN 2000 FOR FAIR TIME OPERATIONS.
THAT WOULD ONLY BE TORN DOWN IF PHASE TWO IS APPROVED AND ONCE IT IS COMPLETED.
THE FINAL POINT OF CLARITY IS THAT THIS FACILITY WILL BE SITUATED IN THE 12 MONTH LEASE AREA.
THE STATE FAIR OF TEXAS HOLDS DIRECTLY WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.
THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING IS FULLY LOCATED ON THE MIDWAY, NOT THE COLISEUM PARKING LOT.
THE ADDRESS MARKER ON THE GOOGLE EARTH MAP PRESENTED TO YOU IS DECEIVING TO THE ACTUAL LOCATION OF THE FACILITY.
THE APPROPRIATE SITE, LOCATION AND ORIENTATION OF THE PROPOSED FACILITY MAY BE FOUND ON PAGES D ONE DASH 21 THROUGH D ONE DASH 25 AND D ONE DASH 31 THROUGH D ONE DASH 36 IN YOUR PACKET.
THE SITE WAS MUTUALLY DETERMINED WITH THE GUIDANCE OF THE PARK AND REC DEPARTMENT AND IS PENDING FINAL APPROVAL THROUGH AN AMENDMENT TO OUR STANDING LEASE AGREEMENT.
THE AMENDMENT HAS BEEN DRAFTED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS ATTORNEY OFFICE AND STATE FAIR OF TEXAS COUNCIL.
IN SUMMARY, THE PLANNING OF THIS FACILITY, ITS FEATURES FUNCTION, LOCATION, AND ORIENTATION HAVE BEEN EXHAUSTIVE FOR SIX YEARS.
WE HAVE CONTINUALLY MET WITH ALL VESTED CITY AND FAIR PARK PARTNERS TO ENSURE THAT THIS BUILDING BECOMES A RESOURCE FOR THE ENTIRE PARK, NOT JUST THE STATE FAIR OF TEXAS, NOT 24 DAYS, BUT 365 DAYS OF THE YEAR.
THE DECISIONS THAT ULTIMATELY MAKE UP THIS PLAN BENEFIT THE CURRENT AND FUTURE GOALS OF FAIR PARK WHILE ALLOWING THE STATE FAIR OF TEXAS TO OPERATE IN AN EFFICIENT AND FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE MANNER.
THANK YOU FOR THE EXTENDED TIME.
ALRIGHT THEN, MR. ANDERSON NAME, ADDRESS, AND PROMISE OF TRUTHFULNESS.
UH, CHRIS ANDERSON, GFF ARCHITECTS HOME ADDRESS IS 8 3 0 BROOKHURST DRIVE IN DALLAS, AND I DO PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER, UM, THINGS THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS FROM THIS MORNING THAT TO KIND OF CLEAR UP SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP FROM YOU ALL.
UH, FIRST OF ALL IS OUR STATUS WITH TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION.
UH, WE, UH, FIRST APPROACHED THEM IN LATE AUGUST WITH THIS INFORMATION FOR THIS PROJECT AND SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION IN SEPTEMBER.
I HEARD AT THE END OF LAST WEEK IN WRITING THAT THEY WERE REQUESTING, UH, A FEW ADDITIONAL SHEETS FROM OUR CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS SET FOR CLARITY.
BUT THEY DID, THEY DID NOT ANTICIPATE ANY INFORMATION THAT WE WOULD BE PROVIDING THEM.
WE CHANGE THEIR INTENT TO APPROVE THE PROJECT.
SO NO, WE DON'T HAVE OUR FORMAL APPROVAL, BUT WE, WE BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE APPROVED BY THEM HERE VERY SHORTLY.
UM, SECOND THING IS, UH, THERE'S A,
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UH, ONGOING QUESTION ABOUT, UM, UNDERGROUND UTILITIES AND DRAINAGE IN THIS SITE.FAIR PARK HAS A HUGE PROBLEM WITH, WITH, UH, UH, DRAINAGE.
UM, THE CURRENT, THE SITE IS ALL PAVED AT THIS POINT.
IT'S, IT'S, UH, 100% CONCRETE PAVING.
WE'RE TAKING OUT A LARGE PORTION OF THAT TO PROPERLY BUILD THE FOUNDATIONS FOR THE BUILDING.
UM, IT HAS, WE KNEW THAT WE WERE GONNA RUN INTO SOME EXISTING UTILITIES THAT HAVE TO BE UPGRADED.
THOSE ARE PART OF THE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS AT THIS POINT.
VERY RECENTLY WE LEARNED THAT WE HAVE, UM, UH, THAT THERE ARE TWO OR THREE, I THINK VERY LARGE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES, DRAINAGE, UTILITIES THAT WERE NOT PICKED UP ON THE SURVEY.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING WITH THOSE, UH, WORKING TO, UH, RELOCATE THOSE AS WELL AND UPGRADE A FEW OF THOSE.
AND THEN STATE FAIR HAS TAKEN THE BUYS DECISION TO DO, UH, A FULL UNDERGROUND ANALYSIS, UH, SURVEY OF THE IMMEDIATE PROJECT SITE SO WE DON'T HIT ANYTHING ACCIDENTALLY OR, OR ARE ABLE TO CONNECT IN A MORE EFFICIENT WAY.
AND I DO HAVE A, A SUPPORTING DRAWING OF THAT IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.
AND THEN FINALLY, JASON TOUCHED ON THIS A LITTLE BIT, UH, ABOUT DECIDING OF THE PROJECT.
UM, THE, THE LOCATION OF BOTH PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO, WHEN YOU MERGE THAT WITH THE, THE, UM, MASTER PLAN UPDATE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM 2020 IS THE, AND I, I, AGAIN, I HAVE GRAPHICS TO SUPPORT THAT, NEW GRAPHICS TO SUPPORT THAT IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THEM.
BUT THE, THE BUILDING FITS QUITE NICELY IN, IN BETWEEN A CORNER OF SOME OF THE BLACKLAND PRAIRIE, UM, UH, PARK AND THE, THE, UH, WALKWAY OR THE, THE, THE HIKING PATH THAT RUNS ALONG PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE.
NONE OF THAT WOULD NEED, NONE OF THAT FROM THE MASTER PLAN WOULD NEED TO CHANGE AS A RESULT OF DECIDING THE BUILDING AS IT IS CURRENTLY SHOWN.
NOW, UM, HANG ON BOTH OF YOU FOR QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONER.
I CERTAINLY HAD CONCERNS THIS MORNING.
THEY MUST HAVE QUESTIONS NOW, COMMISSIONER? NO, UM, I HAD A QUESTION.
UM, SO IT'S A TWO PART QUESTION.
THE FIRST ONE WAS, UM, UH, THE WHY YOU CHOSE TO DO IT IN TWO PHASES AND BECAUSE OF THE SECOND PHASE.
WHAT'S THE DELAY IN THE, WHEN WOULD THAT HAPPEN? UH, SURE.
SO THE STATE FAIR'S PERSPECTIVE IS BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.
UM, WE HAVE OVER THE YEARS, YOU KNOW, UH, PUT AWAY FUNDS FOR THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT OF PHASE ONE OF THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, WHICH IS YEAR-ROUND, UM, FAIR TIME OPERATIONS, THE ARCHIVE.
AND THIS MULTIPURPOSE CENTER, PHASE TWO IS ABSORBING THE OPERATIONS THAT YOU SEE IN THAT JOHN THOMPSON FACILITY AND KIND OF MODERNIZING THOSE FUNCTIONS.
UM, BUT AS YOU, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, WE LIVE OFF OF SUCCESSFUL FARES AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE THROUGHOUT THAT PROJECT.
SO WE FOCUSED ON OUR ORIGINAL SCOPE OF, UH, PHASE ONE TO COMPLETE THAT.
AND, UH, IN AN EFFORT TO HAVE MORE SUCCESSFUL FAIRES, UM, SAVE THOSE FUNDS AND THEN EXECUTE PHASE TWO.
SO IT'S PROBABLY TWO YEARS ABOUT, UH, UH, BETWEEN THE TWO OR YEAH, IN A PERFECT WORLD WITH NO RING, UH,
OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS THEN SOMEONE HAS TO COME UP WITH.
OH, COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON IS WAVING AT ME ARTIFICIALLY WITH YOU.
UM, AND, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
UH, YOUR INTRODUCTION KIND OF TALKED TO WHICH I, UH, TALKED TO SOME OF THE GROWING PAINS.
I BELIEVE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST EXPRESSED JUST THE, THE THE EXHAUSTIVE EFFORT, UM, TOWARDS THIS PROJECT REDEVELOPMENT.
SO I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THAT AND, AND RELATE TO THAT.
UM, THIS, THIS, YOUR FACILITY HAS SUCH A HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I SHARE YOUR, UM, EXHAUSTION AS FAR AS THE UPS AND DOWNS AND THE TRIBULATIONS, UH, OF, OF THE, THE, OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE LOCATION COMMENTS THAT, THAT YOU MAY HAVE SPOKEN TO, UM, IN YOUR SUMMARY, BUT CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR RATIONALE OR YOUR THOUGHTS, YOU KNOW, THE PROS AND CONS OF THE FACING PENNSYLVANIA OR, OR NOT FACING THE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE BROWN SPACE, GREEN SPACE, THE PARKING, THE PARK AREA.
I UNDERSTAND THE THOUGHTS AS FAR AS OPENING UP SPACE FOR THE MIDWAY, BUT TALK A LITTLE
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BIT ABOUT YOUR, YOUR, HOW YOU SEE THE STAFF, YOUR TEAM UTILIZING THE SPACE RELATIVE TO THIS LOCATION, COMPARING TO HOW YOU ENVISION THE, THE VIBRANCY OF THE PARK AND ONCE THAT'S OPERATING AND KIND OF DAY-TO-DAY, MORE OF A DAY-TO-DAY KIND OF VISUAL, THEN THE DAYS THAT THE MIDWAY IS OPERATING.CERTAINLY AS I MENTIONED IN MY, UM, OPENING COMMENTS, WE DON'T ONLY THINK ABOUT THE 24 DAYS OF THE FAIR, BUT THE 365 DAYS THAT FAIR PARK OPERATES, UM, THE MIDWAY IS WELL KNOWN FOR ITS 24 DAY OPERATION, UH, AS IS THE COLISEUM PARKING LOT.
BUT AS WE SEE DAY TO DAY, UH, LIVING AND WORKING WITHIN FAIR PARK, THAT THE COLISEUM PARKING LOT IS A HIGHLY ACTIVE, UM, UH, UH, LOCATION FOR FAIR PARK FIRST AND OVG, THEY ACTIVATE THAT SPACE WITH EVENTS, NOT PARKING, WITH EVENTS, CONCERTS, FESTIVALS, UH, CINCO DE MAYO FESTIVAL OCCURS OUT THERE.
SO THAT'S JUST ONE ASPECT OF WHY WE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION NOT ONLY THE MIDWAY, BUT ALSO UH, THE NEEDS AND GOALS OF FAIR PARK AND, UH, ITS ACTIVATION.
THE GRADE THAT YOU SEE ON PENNSYLVANIA, WHICH IS BETWEEN NINE AND 12 FEET, THE OPERATIONS THAT ARE NEEDED IN THE PHASE TWO PORTION OF THIS FACILITY, WHICH INCLUDE, UH, POLICE, FIRE, SAFETY, FINANCIAL OPERATIONS, AND THE NEED TO HAVE THEM, UM, IN THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION REALLY PUT US TO WHERE WE ARE NOW.
AND THE POSITIONING ON THE MIDWAY, THE SPECIFIC SITE ON THE MIDWAY, MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE, THIS, THIS LOCATION IN THIS SPACE WAS MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL NOT ONLY TO THE STATE FAIR OF TEXAS, BUT AS GOOD STEWARDS TO FAIR PARK, THAT IT'S STILL PROVIDED THEM THE OPERATIONAL NEEDS THAT THEY HAVE NOT ONLY FOR, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THESE ONE-OFF EVENTS, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, THE LARGE, UM, FAN FEST THAT THEY EXPECT TO HAVE FOR, UM, UH, WORLD CUP, WHICH WILL BE IN THIS FAIR PARK COLISEUM.
SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE INSIGHTS AND REASONINGS THAT WE HAD OVER THE PAST SIX YEARS FOR POSITIONING OF THE FRONT DOOR POSITIONING OF PHASE TWO, UH, IN THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION ON THE MIDWAY.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY GOOD TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE OUR CONTRACT IS DIRECTLY WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS AND WE HAVE A 12 MONTH LEASE ON THE MIDWAY PORTION WHERE THIS WILL RESIDE, THAT PLAYED A LARGE ROLE IN THIS, UH, IN THIS DECISION.
THIS FACILITY ULTIMATELY BECOMES A CITY OF DALLAS FACILITY ON THE DAY WE GET OUR OCCUPANCY, UM, WHICH MAKES IT UNIQUE AS WELL.
SO, UH, THE CITY, UH, PARKS AND REC, UH, HAD BEEN VERY INVOLVED, UH, IN, IN THIS PLANNING AND THE PO POSITIONING OF THE BUILDING.
I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
AND THEN I THINK THE BUILDING, I THINK THE PICTURE IN ON D ONE 20 WAS, WAS, WAS IN OUR PACKET, UM, SHOWS THAT BUILDING BE REMOVED, YOU CLARIFIED OF, OF THE OFFICES NOW, WHAT'S IN THAT BUILDING NOW? IS THAT WHERE THE UM, I GUESS I DON'T KNOW THE SURE I'LL EXPLAIN IT FOR YOU.
YEAH, SO THE BUILDING THAT'S SHOWN, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE GRAPHIC WILL COME UP, UH, THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE DEMOLISHED IS, UH, A FACILITY ON THE MIDWAY IN THE 12 MONTH LEASE ZONE KNOWN AS THE JOHN THOMPSON CENTER.
UH, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S IN RED ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THIS ANALYSIS SLIDE.
THAT FACILITY, AGAIN, WAS BUILT IN 2000 BY THE STATE FAIR OF TEXAS.
IT'S A CORRUGATED STILL FACILITY THAT THERE'S FINANCIAL OPERATIONS, UH, THERE'S A COMMISSARY AND THEN, UH, A MULTIPURPOSE MEETING SPACE.
UH, DPD HAS SOME SPACE IN THERE FOR FAIR TIME OPERATIONS.
AND THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS THAT THAT PHASE TWO PROJECT WOULD ABSORB ALL OF THOSE OPERATIONS, THUS ALLOWING US TO TAKE, UH, THE JOHN THOMPSON BUILDING DOWN TO GRADE AND ULTIMATELY ACTIVATE THAT SPACE IN A MORE APPROPRIATE MANNER.
OUR CURRENT HOME AND OR OUR ADMINISTRATION BUILDING THE 1936 MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS BUILDING.
THE INTENT THERE WITH THE AGREEMENT THAT WE'VE MADE WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT IS ONCE WE RECEIVE OUR OCCUPANCY OF PHASE ONE, THAT THE PARK AND REC DEPARTMENT WOULD MOVE INTO THAT FACILITY AND HAVE SOME OF THEIR OPERATIONS DIRECTLY INSIDE FAIR PARK.
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IS THAT ALL COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON OR DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER NO, I THINK THAT'S IT FOR NOW.WELL THEN WE'RE GOING TO NEED A MOTION FROM SOMEONE.
IN THE MATTER OF 1600 COLISEUM DRIVE CA 2 4 5 DASH FOUR EIGHT RD, I MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO APPROVE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO STORY 30,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING IN THE EAST PARKING SUBDISTRICT OF THE RENOVATION ZONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 8 26 20 24 WITH THE CONDITION THAT A LANDSCAPE PLAN DESIGN SLASH DESIGN, INCLUDING FOOD, UH, FLOOD MITIGATION SPECIFICS BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA AND THE STANDARDS INCORPORATED SECOND
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THE MOTION.
AND, UH, THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER FELL.
IS THAT YOU?
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, THEN A CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? OKAY.
IT APPEARS THAT THIS MOTION HAS CARRIED, I KNOW YOU'RE ON A QUICK BUSINESS BUILDING SCHEDULE, SO YOU SHOULD PROBABLY RUN OVER RIGHT NOW AND BEGIN
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MADAM CHAIRPERSON.
WHO WAS THE SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER? SP, THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP IS D THREE.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1800 NORTH MARKET STREET IN THE WEST END HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 4 5 DASH FOUR SEVEN RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RESTORE FENESTRATION OF MAIN BUILDING ON NORTH, SOUTH AND WEST ELEVATIONS, WHICH ENTAILS REOPENING INFIELD WINDOWS AND DOORS AND PAINTING REPLACEMENT MASONRY TO MATCH THE EXISTING EXISTING PAINTED MASONRY IN COLOR.
THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT WINDOW BRAND IS WINCO SERIES 32 50 STEEL REPLICA STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS AS FOLLOWS, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RESTORE FENESTRATION OF MAIN BUILDING ON NORTH, SOUTH AND WEST ELEVATIONS, WHICH ENTAILS REOPENING IN FIELD WINDOWS AND DOORS AND PAINTING REPLACEMENT MASONRY TO MATCH THE EXISTING PAINTED MASONRY IN COLOR, BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 10 23 24.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA, SECTIONS 5.2 AND 5.4 PERTAINING TO CONSTRUCTION AND RENOVATION.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RESTORE FENESTRATION OF THE MAIN OF MAIN BUILDING ON NORTH, SOUTH AND WEST ELEVATIONS, WHICH ENTAILS REOPENING INFILLED WINDOWS AND DOORS AND PAINTING REPLACEMENT MASONRY TO MATCH THE EXISTING PAINTED MASONRY IN COLOR, BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE DUE TO INSUFFICIENT INFORMATION ON THE DESIGN OF THE WINDOWS.
NOTE THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED REPLA HAS SUBMITTED REPLACEMENT WINDOW DETAILS IN RESPONSE TO THE TASK FORCE'S RECOMMENDATION.
AND LET ME SAY THAT COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, WHO IS RECUSED HERSELF, DID LEAVE THE ROOM BEFORE STAFF STARTED SPEAKING.
I JUST DIDN'T MENTION IT THEN.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM.
I DO, I'M PRETTY SURE YOU KNOW THE DRILL.
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VISTA, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 3.AND I DO, UH, PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
WELL, I THINK OUR, UH, HOPEFULLY I DON'T NEED THAT LONG.
I THINK IT, THE, THE APPLICATION'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
WE HAVE, UH, AN EXISTING HISTORIC BUILDING IN THE WEST IN IT FOR A LONG TIME, HAS HAD ITS WINDOWS REPLACED IN, IN A, UH, STYLE AND OF MATERIALS THAT WERE NOT APPROPRIATE TO THE HISTORIC CONTEXT OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THROUGH SOME RESEARCH WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHAT WE BELIEVE WERE THE ORIGINAL STEEL WINDOWS THAT INFILL THOSE, THOSE UH, UH, THOSE OPENINGS.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT PHOTOGRAPH IN YOUR, IN YOUR PACKET THERE.
AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SYSTEM WE WOULD'VE ANTICIPATED HAD WE NOT FOUND ANY PHOTOGRAPHS.
SO WE'VE COME BACK WITH A NEW MODERN SYSTEM THAT REPLICATES THE ORIGINAL STEEL, UH, STEEL, UH, SYSTEM AND PRETTY MUCH IN SIZE AND OPERATION, BUT WITH MODERN IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE, UH, THERMAL BREAKING OF THE FRAMES AND THE USE OF INSULATED GLASS.
BUT THE, UH, PROFILES OF THE S AND MILLIONS AND THE FRAMING ALL VERY CLOSE TO WHAT YOU WOULD FIND AT THE ORIGINAL STEEL WINDOWS WOULD FILL IN PACKED THE, UH, NORTH ELEVATION HAD SOME INAPPROPRIATE AND SORT OF UNUSUAL MODIFICATIONS TO IT OVER THE YEARS AND WE HAVE TRIED TO REVERSE MOST OF THOSE AND EXPAND THE USE OF THE, UH, THE NEW GLASS.
AND SO THAT'S SORT OF, SORT OF IT.
UH, I'M HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY ABOUT THIS SYSTEM.
ALRIGHT, WHO HAS A QUESTION? COMMISSIONER OSI? OR YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR YOU JUST HAVE YOUR LIGHT ON? ACTUALLY I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
WELL, HOW CONVENIENT YOU HAD YOUR LIGHT ON.
UH, SO EXPLAIN TO US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE WINDOWS THAT WERE CHOSEN, THE MATERIAL AND HOW THAT REPLICATES THE HISTORIC PHOTOS.
OKAY, WELL THE, UH, THE, UH, THE MATERIAL IS ALUMINUM, A MODERN ALUMINUM WINDOW.
THE PACKAGE SHOULD SHOW, THEY PRODUCED IT IN PROFILE THAT LOOKED LIKE THE ORIGINAL, THE, UH, TRADITIONAL STEEL INDUSTRIAL WINDOW THAT YOU SEE.
WE'VE EVEN GONE TO THE, TO THE DEGREE OF, WE HAVE REPLICATED THE NUMBER OF PAINTS, THE SIZE, THE NUMBER OF PAINTS, AND EVEN THE OPERATION OF, WE HAVE THE HOPPER, UH, WIND OPERABLE WINDOWS IN THE CENTER OF EACH ONE HERE.
SO, UH, THE ONLY THING YOU KNOW FROM THE OUT, AND IT WOULD BE CLEAR GLASS, UH, IT WOULD BE LOW E BUT IT WOULD, UH, VISUALLY IT'S CLEAR GLASS AS THE ORIGINALS WOULD'VE BEEN.
UH, AND WE ARE ANTICIPATING EITHER, UH, WE WERE ANTICIPATING A, A, A, A VERY DARK BRONZE OR BLACK ANODIZED FINISH TO THAT ALUMINUM SO THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PAINTED ALL THE TIME.
UM, AND AGAIN, THIS WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER A MODERN RESPONSE TO WHAT WE ARE USED TO IN HISTORIC DEAL WINDOW, BUT MEETS THE TECHNOL TECHNOLOGICAL AND ENERGY, UH, EXPECTATIONS OF THE 2014.
DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? I HAVE A FOLLOW UP TO THE WINDOW.
UM, I SEE THAT IT WAS, SO IT WAS SELECTED OR SHOWN UH, AS A 3, 2 5 ON THE WIN CODE WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE RESPECTING, YOU WERE SHOWING A 3, 2 5 STILL REPLICA, BUT FURTHER IN THE PACKAGE YOU HAVE A SERIES 1150 S WHAT'S BEING USED IS THERE, ARE THEY BOTH BEING USED? YEAH, BUT WE HAD ORIGINALLY COME UP WITH THE, UH, WITH THE OTHER SYSTEM AND MAYBE A, A TYPO THAT WAS LEFT OVER.
WE HAD, AFTER WE HAD ORIGINALLY PRESENTED AND THEY ASKED FOR MORE INFORMATION, WE FOUND A, A MORE ACCURATE REPLICA 3 25.
SO THE, THE 32 50 IS THE MORE ACCURATE STILL REPLIC, I THINK WELL IS THE MORE ACCURATE STILL REPLICA.
AND THEN, AND THEN FURTHER INTO YOUR DOCUMENTS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SPECKING THE SERIES 1150 S, WHICH IS NOT THE ACTUAL STILL REPLICA.
UM, YOU'VE GOT ME THERE ABOUT WHICH SYSTEM NUMBER IS THE, IS THE ONE THAT THEY REFER TO AS THE REPLICA WINDOWS? WELL THEY, THE WINDOWS HAS THE, THEY'RE STILL REPLICA IS A 32 50.
BUT YOU'RE SHOWING IN YOUR PACKET WHAT'S BEING, WHAT YOU'RE SPECKING IS A TWO INCH ARCHITECTURAL THERMAL WINDOW SYSTEM.
SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY THE STILL REPLICA THAT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THAT HOPE, OLD HOPE POINT.
THE TOPIC? NO, IT, UM, WITHOUT IT IN FRONT OF ME, THE REPLICA SYSTEM IS WE FOUND A, WE FOUND A THINNER MULIAN REPLICA SYSTEM AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE INTENDING TO USE, WHICH I PROBABLY IS THE 32 50 SINCE THAT'S THE ONE.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS, I DON'T KNOW TOP OF MY HEAD WHICH ONE IS THAT NUMBER.
BUT IT WAS A DIFFERENT SYSTEM THAN WE'D ORIGINALLY FOUND BECAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS A SMALLER, SMALLER PROFILE.
AND LOOKED MUCH MORE LIKELY THE ORIGINAL.
SO IT WOULD, SO WHAT YOU'D BE, SINCE THEY'RE BOTH SHOWN IN OUR PACKET, YOU'RE GONNA SAY THAT THE, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS THE 32 50 STILL REPLICA
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ON THE WINDOW, NOT THE SERIES 1150.WHEN YOU SEE THE SERIES 1150, IS THAT IN THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ORIGINAL OR NOT.
I'M SAYING THIS OR APPLICATION.
BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T, WE PROBABLY DIDN'T GO BACK AND CHANGE IT IN THE APPLICATION FORM ITSELF, BUT WE DID CHANGE IT ON THE DRAWINGS THAT YOU HAVE HERE AND THE DRAWINGS YOU CALL FOR THE THIRTY TWO FIFTY.
IT WAS JUST SHOWING BOTH WAYS.
NO, IT'S, IT'S THE EFFICACY SYSTEM.
AND AS YOU SAY THIS, UNLESS WE HAVE A TYPO HERE, SO I DON'T THINK WE DO A SEVEN DOES SPECIFY 32 50.
AND THAT IS, THAT SHOULD BE THE DETAIL.
I JUST WANTED A CLARIFICATION GOING OFF ON THE, THE DRAWINGS.
IT'S, IT'S THE REPLICA AND IT, BUT I DIDN'T WANNA ALSO WAIT.
WELL WE DID WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO 'CAUSE IT WAS 'CAUSE WE ACTUALLY SUBMITTED 11, RIGHT? 1150S.
I HAVE A CONCERN THAT THE, UH, APPLICATION WAS MAYBE NOT COMPLETE.
UM, THE TASK FORCE DIDN'T SEE THE, THE DETAILS AND THE INFORMATION ON THE WINDOWS.
CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN WHY THE TASK FORCE DIDN'T SEE THAT AND WHY WE ARE LOOKING AT SOMETHING TODAY WITHOUT THE RECOMMENDATION? WELL, TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, UH, COMMISSIONER, I, I WOULD'VE DISAGREED WITH THAT ASSESSMENT BY THE TASK FORCE.
I FOUND THAT COMMENT ODD 'CAUSE WE INCLUDED DETAIL JUST LIKE WHAT YOU SEE HERE.
THE ONLY CON, THE ONLY ACTUAL CONCERN THAT I UH, HEARD FROM THE TASK FORCE WAS THAT THEY DID NOTICE, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE A SIX DRAWING WHERE WE'VE GOT A FIVE AND A HALF INCH DIMENSION ON THE VOLUME BETWEEN THE THREE, UH, WE HAD THAT, WE HAD THAT DRAWN TOO NARROW AND THEY NOTED, UM, BUT OTHERWISE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DIDN'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE.
I DIDN'T, OH, AND THEY ALSO WANTED THE LAST DRAWING.
THEY WANTED SOMETHING FROM THE BROCHURE, SOME IN IMAGES OF THE INSTALLATION OF THE ACTUAL SYSTEM, WHICH WE HAVE PROVIDED HERE.
WELL, SO THE THE WHAT WE SUBMITTED WAS SUBSTANTIALLY ELECT.
WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS JUST DOWN TO SOME OF THE SMALL CONFIRM.
WELL IT SAYS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED REPLACEMENT WINDOW DETAILS IN RESPONSE TO THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
I DO NOT LIKE SITTING HERE GETTING BACK AND FORTH INFORMATION.
SO WHAT DID, WHAT, LET ME ASK THIS STAFF, WHAT DID THE TASK FORCE ACTUALLY SAY ABOUT THE WINDOWS? WERE THEY HAPPY WITH THEM? DID THEY NOT LIKE THEM? OKAY, AS WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE, THE WINDOW THAT WAS PRESENTED, I'M GOING THROUGH WHAT I HAD ORIGINALLY VERSUS UM, CURRENTLY, ORIGINALLY THE 1150 S SERIES I THINK WAS PRESENTED AND NOT THE 32 50 SERIES.
AND AS MR. AL TON IS SAYING, IT HAD A THICKER MILLION AND BASICALLY THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT THAT NOT BEING AN APPROPRIATE REPRESENTATION OF A INDUSTRIAL STEEL WINDOW.
BUT HE HAS CHANGED THAT TO THE WINCO SERIES 32 50, WHICH IS ALSO INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA, WHICH IS A BETTER REPRESENTATION OF A STEEL REPLICA WINDOW APPLICATION.
THERE WAS COMPLETED THIS CHANGE MIDSTREAM WITH THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
SO WE'RE POSITIVE THIS IS THE RIGHT WINDOW.
32 50, THE WINCO SERIES 32 50, STILL REPLICA IS THE CORRECT WINDOW.
SO DO THE ARCHITECTS ON THE COMMISSION THINK THIS IS ADEQUATE, THIS IS ENOUGH INFORMATION TO GO WITH? YES, IT'S MORE REPLICA OF THE OLD HOPE STEEL WINDOWS WITH THE, UH, THE DIMENSIONAL ASPECT OF THE VOLUMES AND BUTTONS.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S ONE OF THE SEVERAL GOOD STEEL APPLICA, UH, STEEL REPLICA, UH, USES.
I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT TASKFORCE HAD A CONCERN AND WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT UP THE CONCERN OF HAVING BOTH OF 'EM IN THE PACKETS IN THE, IN THE 1150 I, I WOULD'VE HAD CONCERNS WITH AS WELL.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? DOES ANYONE HAVE A MOTION? I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION, SORRY.
'CAUSE IN THE, THE TASK FORCE ALSO RE UH, TALKED ABOUT, UM, UH, PAINTING REPLACING MASON OR REPLACEMENT MASONRY.
IS THAT STILL PART OF THE SUBMISSION? LOOKS LIKE IT IS.
AND THEN THE STAFF RECOMMENDED THAT IT BE APPROVED FOR PAINTING OF THE MASONRY.
UM, DID THE TASK FORCE MENTION
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MASONRY? I MENTIONED MASONRY BECAUSE AS A PART OF THE UPDATE HE WAS SHOWING THAT HE WAS GOING TO PAINT IT BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS CURRENTLY PAINTED.THAT'S WHAT I CHECKED TO MAKE SURE OF.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT MY RECOMMENDATION, 'CAUSE I DON'T LIKE PATCH PAINTING, I RECOMMEND POSSIBLY THAT ALL OF IT BE PAINTED OR UPDATED, BUT THE BUILDING IS ALREADY PAINTED.
IS IT TIME FOR MOTION ALLMAN? GO AHEAD.
IN THE MATTER OF 1800 NORTH MARKET STREET, UH, IN THE WEST END HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 4 5 DASH 0 4 7 RD.
UM, UH, A MOVE TO APPROVE THE, UH, REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE WINDOW, UH, WITH THE WINCO SERIES 32 50 STEEL REPLICA WINDOWS.
UM, THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER GELMAN
ANY COMMENTS? DISCUSSION THEN? I GUESS WE'RE READY TO VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
REAL QUICK, WHILE WE WAIT FOR COMMISSIONER SHERMAN TO COME BACK, I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT PLEASE, WITHIN, IF YOU'VE HAD WITHIN THE LAST TWO MONTHS, IF YOU'VE HAD A RECUSAL, PLEASE BE PLEASE SUBMIT THE RECUSAL FORM TO ELAINE.
I THINK MAYBE WE MISSED A COUPLE.
SO IF YOU, IF I HAD JUST MISSED THAT AND SHE'S THE ONE WHO NOW, IF YOU ACCUSED YOURSELF IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS AND YOU HAVEN'T TURNED IN A RECUSAL FORM, PLEASE DO SO.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS LOCATED AT TWO 18 NORTH WILLAMETTE AVENUE IN THE WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 45 DASH 0 5 4 MW.
PRESENTING THE REQUEST IS FOR ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE FRONT DOOR.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE METAL COLUMNS WITH WOOD BOX COLUMNS.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A LIGHT FIXTURE BY THE FRONT DOOR.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE SIDE DOOR AND FILL WITH MATCHING SIDING.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT ENTIRE STRUCTURE BODY W 28 12
JADE TRIM AND COLUMNS SW 28 29, CLASSICAL WHITE ACCENT SASHES W 91 83, DARK CLO.
AND ITEM NUMBER SIX IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A MAILBOX AND HOUSE NUMBERS ON THE FRONT FACADE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE FRONT DOOR BE APPROVED WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED TEN THREE TWENTY FOUR.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA, SECTION 51 P DASH 87 1 1 1 A THREE A, 11 AND A 17.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN AT TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD ITEM NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE METAL COLUMNS WITH WOOD BOX COLUMNS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS STATED TEN THREE TWENTY FOUR WITH A FINDING OF FACT THAT THE EXISTING METAL COLUMNS AND RAILING ARE LIKELY NOT ORIGINAL, THAT THE BOX COLUMNS ARE MORE TYPICAL OF THE PERIOD AND DISTRICT, AND THAT THE HOUSE IS CURRENTLY LISTED AS NON-CONTRIBUTING.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS THEREFORE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTIONS 51 P DASH 87.11 A THREE NINE, AND 11.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD ITEM NUMBER THREE, THAT THIS REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A LIGHT FIXTURE BY FRONT DOOR BE APPROVED WITH THE DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED TEN THREE TWENTY FOUR.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA, SECTION 51 P DASH 87.1 A THREE AND B FOUR THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON CONTRIBU, NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE SIDE DOOR AND FILL WITH MATCHING SIDING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS
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DATED TEN THREE TWENTY FOUR WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE SIDING AND TRAM EXACTLY THE, THE, AND I'M GONNA MAKE A, A CORRECTION AT THE, AT ONE POINT, UM, THAT IT, THAT THE SIDING EXACTLY MATCHED THE NUM, THE ONE 17 ORIGINAL SIDING AND TRIM EXACTLY MATCH, UM, ORIGINAL SIDING IMPLEMENTATION OF RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.SECTIONS 51 P DASH 87 1 A THREE AND 10.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN AT TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I WILL, WHILE, WHILE I'M STILL ON NUMBER FOUR, I WILL AMEND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
UM, I, WE THOUGHT THAT THE SIDING WAS ONE 17 SIDING UNTIL THE ASBESTOS SIDING HAD BEEN REMOVED.
AND WE REALIZE NOW THAT IT IS LAP, UH, JUST A STANDARD LAP SIDING NOT ONE 17.
UM, ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT ENTIRE STRUCTURE BODY SW 28 12 LIQUID J TRIM AND COLUMNS SW 28 29, CLASSICAL WHITE ACCENT SESS W 91 83 DARK CLO BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED TEN THREE TWENTY FOUR WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT NO BRICK OR OTHER MASONRY BE PAINTED.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87 88, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD ITEM NUMBER SIX, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL MAILBOX AND HOUSE NUMBERS ON FLAT FACADE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED TEN THREE TWENTY FOUR.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTIONS 51 P DASH 87.1 A 11 A, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE FRONT DOOR VIA APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS CONSIDER SHORTER, WIDER DOOR, PERHAPS WITH A TRANSOM APPLICANT AGREED.
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE MIDDLE COLUMNS WITH WOOD BOX COLUMNS, BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS, CHECK FOR ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT IF THERE IS EVIDENCE, AND KEEP THE COLUMN SYMMETRICAL.
NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL LIGHT FIXTURE BY FRONT DOOR BE APPROVED.
NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE SIDE DOOR AND FILL WITH MATCHING SIDING BE APPROVED.
NUMBER FIVE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT ENTIRE STRUCTURE BODY SW TWO, UH, 28 12 BROOKWOOD, JADE TRIM AND COLUMNS W 28 29 CLASSICAL WHITE ACCENT.
UH, THE SASHES W 9 180 3 DARK CLOVE BE APPROVED.
NUMBER SIX, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL MAILBOX AND HOUSE NUMBERS ON FRONT FACADE BE APPROVED.
ALRIGHT, THAT WAS A LOT BY THE TIME EVERYBODY READ EVERYTHING.
WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS REGISTERED FOR THIS ONE.
THE FIRST IS CAROL IBARRA IN PERSON, THE OTHER OH, THE OTHER TWO.
SO, UH, JUST THE MIC IS NECESSARY AND I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD BY NOW WE NEED YOUR NAME, ADDRESS AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
MY NAME'S CAROL IVARRA AND I'M OWNER OF DUDE NG PROPERTIES.
I LIVE AT 56 0 2 FIREWOOD DRIVE, ARLINGTON, TEXAS 7 6 0 1 6.
AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD AND HEAR YOUR THREE MINUTES STARTS.
UM, I'M NEW TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
ME AND MY PARTNER, AND WE FOUND THIS HOME AND WE TRULY WANT TO REBUILD, NOT REBUILD THIS, BUT REMODEL IT TO ITS ORIGINAL, UM, DESIGN.
IT WAS REMODELED FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM NEIGHBORS AND WHAT WE FOUND REMODELED BACK IN 1960.
UM, AND WE WANNA TAKE IT BACK TO ITS FORMER BEAUTY, EVEN THOUGH WE COULDN'T FIND ORIGINAL PLANS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT AS, AS BEST AS WE CAN, UM, WITH DIRECTION.
AND, UM, REALLY, THAT'S KIND OF ALL I'VE GOT.
I HAVE TO ADMIT I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS AND I'M, I'M GONNA TRY NOT TO THROW UP
SO ANY QUESTIONS? I KNOW WE ADDRESSED A FEW THINGS EARLIER, SO I WOULD BE GLAD TO TALK ABOUT THOSE.
I KNOW IF YOU WANNA JUST TALK ME JUST TO SAY IT OR IF YOU WANNA ASK ME.
I HAVEN'T DONE THIS BEFORE, SO, WELL, WE CAN LET COMMISSIONERS ASK YOU QUESTIONS
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AND IN THEIR OWN WORDS AND THEN LET YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT THESE THINGS.SO WHICH COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST IN DOING THAT? I'LL GO FIRST.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS WILL GO FIRST.
JUST I'LL START OFF, BUT I CAN'T TALK TO HIM ABOUT THE
UM, WHAT WAS I GONNA SAY? OH, UH, THE WINDOW.
DO YOU HAVE A NOTE ON THE ELEVATION THAT SAYS THE ROP WINDOWSILL? IS THAT PART OF THE, UH, IS THAT PROPOSED? SO IS THERE, UH, I I, I MAY HAVE MISSED SOMETHING EARLIER IN THE MORNING, BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THIS DETAILING AROUND THIS WINDOW IS PROPOSED OR NOT TO AND THAT'S THE STAFF OR TO YOU? OKAY, SO THAT WAS PART OF WHAT, UM, IN LOOKING AT THE FRAMING OF THE OTHER WINDOWS AROUND THE HOUSE, WE COULD TELL THAT THE, THE HEADER NEEDED TO BE WHERE IT IS THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT WAS PRETTY MUCH EVEN WITH THE, THE PORCH HEADER.
UM, THESE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN, AND ALL, ALL OF THE, OTHER THAN THE ATTIC WINDOW, THEY'VE ALL BEEN REPLACED AND THEY'RE BAD ALUMINUM WINDOWS.
UM, SO AS FAR AS THE SIZE OF THE WINDOW, THEY WERE JUST GOING WITH KIND OF A STANDARD WINDOW.
SO THE ACTUAL LENGTH OF THE WINDOW, THEY'RE, THEY WEREN'T ENTIRELY SURE.
UH, WE JUST KNOW WHERE THE HEADER IS.
SO THAT'S PROPOSING TO, AND THAT'S, AND, AND, BUT ALSO THE, THE WINDOWS ARE NOT PART OF THE CA OKAY.
I WAS JUST WONDERING 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WHAT SEEMS TO BE PART OF THE CA CIRCLED, BUT ALSO I, I DID SEE THE PROPOSED WINDOW SILL ON THERE AND IT WAS JUST QUESTIONING THAT IT'S, THERE'S, THERE'S STILL SOME, UH, THINGS TO FIGURE OUT WITH THE WINDOWS.
UH, THAT'S WHY RIGHT NOW WE'RE REALLY JUST LOOKING AT THE PORCH COLUMNS, UH, AND FRONT DOOR AND THE PORCH COLUMNS.
YOU HAVE A, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE A HEAD, UH, CAPITAL ON THERE OR A, OR A BOTTOM.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING I HOPE YOU WOULD BE, UH, INCLINED TO WANT TO ADD TO MAKE THAT MORE REPRESENTATIVE TO THE HISTORICAL COLUMN.
THE HEAD AND THE BASE AND A BASE.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT TO, TO TRY TO HOPEFULLY INCLUDE IF EVERYBODY'S WILLING.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AT THE TOP IN THE BOTTOM, JUST HAVING IT MORE FINISHED.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, MS. IBARRA, THANK YOU FOR BUYING THIS PROPERTY.
IT'S BEEN A THORN IN THE SIDE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FOR OVER 40 YEARS, PROBABLY CLOSE TO 60 YEARS.
UM, AND WE HAVE WATCHED IT STRUGGLE AND DETERIORATE AND IT HAS, AS YOU KNOW, A VERY LONG CASE HISTORY.
I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE CONCERNS ON EACH AND EVERY REQUEST, BUT I DO HAVE CONCERNS.
UM, ONE OF THE ONES I'M STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND IS WHY DOES YOUR PROPOSED FRONT ELEVATION DRAWING DIFFER FROM REALITY? WHAT YOU'VE GOT HERE IS IT LOOKS LIKE A, A FRONT, UM, I GUESS YOU'D CALL IT A FOUNDATION SILL OR SILL PLATE.
IT'S ALMOST THREE FEET OFF THE GROUND WHEN THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
THIS HOUSE PRETTY MUCH SITS ON THE GROUND.
UM, THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR HAS BEEN RAISED FOR THE SAME REASON, BUT ARE YOU CONTEMPLATING THAT THIS BE RAISED IN THE FUTURE? YES, MA'AM.
UM, AND AS MR. WATSON SAID EARLIER, I THINK OUR ARCHITECT GOT A LITTLE AHEAD OF US ON THAT.
WE'RE WAITING FOR AN ENGINEER NOW TO COME OUT AND TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT IN THE FLOOD ZONE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE, WHEN IT RAINS, THE RAIN WILL BACK UP INTO THAT HOUSE.
AND THIS IS JUST BASED ON NEIGHBOR TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORS AND WHAT WE FOUND OUT.
SO WE ARE CURRENTLY WAITING FOR THE ENGINEER TO GO OUT AND TELL IT'S EXACTLY WHAT TO DO.
SO BASED ON THAT, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO REWORK, OBVIOUSLY.
WELL, IT, IT STRIKE ME AS AN INCONSISTENCY THAT YOU'VE PROPOSED CHANGING THE COLUMNS ON THE PORCH WHEN THE PORCH ITSELF IS PROBABLY GONNA BE REBUILT.
SO TO ME, UM, I CAN'T SEE WHY WE WOULD APPROVE PORCH COLUMNS BASED ON THIS DRAWING AND KNOWING THE FACTS THAT IF YOU WERE TO RAISE IT, YOU'D PROBABLY END UP HAVING TO REDO THOSE PORCH COLUMNS ANYWAY TO SOME EXTENT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PERHAPS GONNA FIT, UM, ONCE THE NEW PORCH GETS PUT INTO PLACE.
UM, 'CAUSE THERE'S A CONCRETE PORCH THERE NOW, RIGHT? YES.
AND THERE ARE NO STEPS UP TO IT.
THERE'S NOT REALLY A STEP, SORT OF A STEP.
UM, THE PHOTOS WE HAVE THOUGH DON'T REFLECT WHAT'S BEEN EXPOSED NOW THAT THE ASBESTOS IS GONE.
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SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DATED PHOTOS THAT DON'T REFLECT REALITY EITHER.UM, BUT I'M VERY GLAD YOU'RE HERE.
I'M VERY GLAD YOU WANT TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THIS PROPERTY AND FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT HAS BEEN A CRUSADE, EXCUSE ME, TO SAVE AND RESTORE WINKA HEIGHTS NOW FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
WE'LL TRY NOT TO GET IN YOUR WAY.
WE'LL TRY TO HELP GUIDE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR BEING OPEN TO GUIDANCE.
UM, I, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH KNOWING THAT THE WROUGHT IRON IS NOT ORIGINAL AND WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY THAT THE PLACEMENT OF THE COLUMNS REFLECT WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OF GHOST PRESIDENTS.
IT SEEMS A VERY STRONG DISCONNECT TO ME TO BE TAKING A HOUSE THAT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, A NON CONTRIBUTOR, AND PUTTING ON A PORCH THAT WE THINK MIGHT LOOK PRETTIER.
BUT WE END UP CREATING AND PERPETUATING AN ADVERSE SITUATION WHERE YOU'VE GOT A FRONT ENTRY NOW THAT LEADS TO A BLANK WALL.
WE HAVE NONE OF THAT IN WINNETKA HEIGHTS, SO I CAN'T GET BEHIND THAT.
UM, I, I JUST, I WOULD LIKE TO, BUT I CAN'T.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YES.
YOU HAVE AN ORIGINAL FRONT DOOR LEFT TO THE LEFT, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
THAT'S BASED ON, YEAH, BASED ON WHAT I SAW.
SO IT SEEMS, SO IT MAY HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE OLD HOUSES WITH THE TWO FRONT DOORS, OR IT COULD HAVE BEEN A DUPLEX.
WELL, AND YOUR DUPLEX USE IS NOW GONE, CORRECT? THERE'S ONE KITCHEN, THERE'S ONE, YES, THERE'S ONE.
SO YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT UNIT BACK.
SO IT'S GONNA HAVE TO STAY SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE YOU'VE GOT, THERE'S A TEMP TEMPTATION IN AN ATTEMPT JUST TO MAKE THINGS BETTER LOOKING THAT WE FAIL TO KEEP IN MIND THAT PRESERVATION'S NOT NECESSARILY A BEAUTY CONTEST.
IT'S A MATTER OF WHAT'S APPROPRIATE.
AND SO, UM, WE HAVE A SITUATION HERE THAT WE HAVE TO DO WHAT'S BEST OVER TIME.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS KIND OF AMOUNTS TO, NOT ON PURPOSE, BUT UNWITTINGLY PUTTING LIPSTICK ON A PICK.
SO, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT MORE CONSIDERATION BE GIVEN TO WHAT IS APPROPRIATE TO DO AT THE FRONT FACADE.
I DO THINK TAKING YOUR CUE FROM THE REMAINING ATTIC WINDOWS IS, IS WISE AND PRUDENT BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE LEFT AT THIS TIME.
UM, BUT I CAN'T GET BEHIND AN ENTRY THAT LEADS TO A BLANK WALL.
IF IT'S APPROPRIATE TO MOVE THE DOOR TO THE MIDDLE, IT MAY LINE UP, BUT IT'S NOT, IT MAY BE IF, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE TO COME BACK WITH DRAWINGS THAT DEPICT WHAT YOU THINK YOU MIGHT LIKE TO DO INSTEAD.
UM, OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THE OTHER DOOR BACK, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT BE OPERATIONAL, AT LEAST IF IT'S THERE, THEN WE'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, BUT WE'D STILL HAVE A FRONT PORCH AT LEAST TO A BLANK WALL.
SO, MARCUS, I KNOW YOU WANNA JUMP ONE.
I, I WANT TO GO IN AND, AND SAY THAT SHE, HER ORIGINAL PLANS WERE TO PUT TO CENTER THE DOOR.
SHE, THAT'S WHAT SHE WANTED TO DO.
AND I HAVE TO SAY I ADVISED HER NOT TO BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS NOT WELL, THE PROBLEM IS WHAT YOU HAVE IS YOU HAVE A NON CONTRIBUTOR THAT NOW BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT ONE DOOR LEFT, UNLESS YOU PUT A PORCH ON IT THAT'S GOT A DIFFERENT ORIENTATION, LIKE WITH AN ENTRANCE TO THE LEFT FRONT DOOR, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE BALANCE AND HARMONY.
THIS PROPERTY MAY NEVER, WELL, MAY NEVER WELL BE A CONTRIBUTOR POSSIBLY 'CAUSE IT'S GOT A LONG WAYS TO GO.
UM, BUT IT STRIKES ME AS, I DON'T KNOW, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE I'VE DRIVEN AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'VE NOTED, I MEAN, FOR YEARS.
UM, AND I'VE NOTED THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE WITH, UM, THIS TYPE OF, UM, WHAT KIND OF ROOF DID YOU CALL? UNDERCUT ROOF.
WHERE THE, WHERE THE, THE ROOF ITSELF FORMS THE PORCH.
THERE ARE NO OFFSET ENTRY DOORS.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO STUDY FURTHER, TAKE YOUR QUEUE FROM OTHER THINGS IN THE DISTRICT AND MAYBE EVEN BRING ON A PRESERVATION ARCHITECT TO HELP YOU.
WE, AND I KNOW THAT STAFF CAN PROBABLY RECOMMEND SOME WELL-KNOWN PEOPLE HERE IN TOWN AND SO CAN PRESERVATION DALLAS.
BUT I THINK THE REWARDS OF HIRING SOMEBODY LIKE THAT WILL HELP YOU IMMENSELY.
UM, BUT WITH THAT SAID, UH, I'M NOT TRYING TO
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KEEP YOU FROM TALKING, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW WHERE I'M COMING FROM.WELL, I THINK VISUALLY IT WOULD LOOK BETTER WITH THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE PERSONALLY, JUST BECAUSE OF THE WINDOWS AND THE COLUMNS.
I ALSO WANTED ONE CLARIFICATION ABOUT THE RAISING OF THE HOUSE VERSUS GETTING THE COLUMNS.
SHE, SHE HAD PUT IN THESE DESIGN, UH, THE REQUESTS FOR THESE DESIGN CHANGES WITH THE COLUMNS AND EVERYTHING BEFORE THEY REALIZED THAT THEY MIGHT NEED TO RAISE THE HOUSE.
AND IT WAS TOO LATE TO PUT IT ON THIS APPLICATION.
SO I WAS LIKE, WELL TALK TO YOUR, GET YOUR ENGINEERS REPORT FIRST AND THEN, THEN WE'LL DO THAT.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, STEPH.
UH, HAVE, HAVE WE DETERMINED, UH, HAVE WE CHECKED ON, I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING FOR GHOSTING FOR THOSE COLUMNS AND YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON THE CONCRETE.
WHAT ABOUT UP IN THE WOOD UP ABOVE? THAT'S WHERE I WAS LOOKING WHEN I WAS OUT THERE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ONCE DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY TOOK OFF ANY OF THE STUFF, DID THEY SEE ANYTHING THAT, THAT, THAT SHOWED WHERE THE COLUMNS MIGHT HAVE BEEN? NO, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO TOUCH THE TRIM WHERE THE COLUMNS ARE LOCATED, SO.
WE MIGHT CAN DO A LITTLE MORE INVESTIGATION.
I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SHERMAN THAT THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON THIS PROPERTY.
UM, I, I KNOW THIS NEIGHBORHOOD VERY WELL AND I AGREE THAT TYPICALLY YOU HAVE WITH THIS TYPE OF HOUSE, A CENTRAL DOOR.
WITH THAT SAID, THIS HOUSE HAS BEEN ALTERED SEVERELY A LONG TIME AGO.
AND IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE DOOR THAT YOU'RE SEEING THE STAFF IS SEEING COULD HAVE BEEN A 1950S DOOR.
I MEAN THE FRAME, UH, POSSIBLE.
I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE THIS FURTHER.
YOU CAN DO IT THROUGH CITY DIRECTORIES AND OTHER WAYS TO FIND OUT THE HISTORY OF THE WHO LIVED IN THIS HOUSE.
IF IT WAS A DUPLEX HISTORICALLY TO SAY 1922, THERE WERE TWO FAMILIES THERE OR MIGHT SHOW THE 1950S.
THERE WERE TWO FAMILIES THERE.
UM, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
THIS HOUSE HAS BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME TO SEE THE LIGHT OF RESTORATION.
I THINK TODAY IT'S TOO PREMATURE.
WE HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED.
ALSO, THE DETAILS ON THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS.
OFTENTIMES THE COLUMNS HAVE BRICK, BUTTRESSES OR BRICK BASES.
UH, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK TO SEE OTHER HOUSES WITH THIS INSET PORCH, WHAT THE COLUMNS ARE LIKE.
UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME AND NOT DO SOMETHING NOW THAT WE MAY WONDER ABOUT LATER.
SO IF THERE WERE TWO DOORS THERE IN 1922 OR WHATEVER, THEN MAYBE TWO DOORS SHOULD BE THERE.
IF THERE'S ONE DOOR, WE SHOULD HAVE ONE DOOR.
BUT THAT THERE'S ONE DOOR TO THE, TO THE RIGHT SIDE OR THE LEFT SIDE IS, IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO THE DISTRICT.
CAN I PIGGYBACK AND CLARIFY SOMETHING ON THAT TOO? IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT.
A LOT OF TIMES, UH, I KNOW, UH, JUST MY OWN CASE, MY OWN STUDIES, MY OWN MY OWN PROJECT.
YOU GET A, YOU GET A PROJECT THAT'S 1910.
AND IF SOMEONE HAS, HAS, HAS, HAS, UH, CHANGED THAT IN 1928, IT CAN BE EASILY BE, UH, FOOLED BY, YOU SEE OLD GROWTH YELLOW PINE AND YOU SEE AN OPENING, YOU SEE A CHANGE.
IT'S SOMETIMES WE CAN GET OFF TRACK BY LOOKING AT THAT.
AND GOING BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, SHERMAN WAS SAYING, GETTING SOMEONE ENGAGED THAT CAN ASCERTAIN WHAT'S ORIGINAL AND WHAT'S NOT ORIGINAL AND ALSO NOT GET SWAYED ON SOMETHING THAT WAS MODIFIED 15 YEARS AFTER IT WAS CONSTRUCTED.
AND THEN YOU DEEM THAT THAT'S HISTORICALLY ACCURATE.
UM, I THINK GOING TO THAT APPROACH WOULD BE BEST.
TRYING TO ASCERTAIN SOME SPECIALISTS.
AND UM, MS. IBARRA, I JUST WANT TO VERIFY LISTENING TO ALL OF US, 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT AND WE ALL ENJOYED IT.
UM, ARE YOU UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE NOT SURE WHAT IT USED TO LOOK LIKE EITHER? UM, EXCEPT WE SEEM TO ALL AGREE IT DIDN'T JUST HAVE A DOOR ON ONE SIDE.
DO YOU AGREE IT PROBABLY DIDN'T HAVE THAT? IF, IF YOU WERE GONNA CONS, WE CAN'T MAKE YOU MOVE A DOOR.
IF YOU WERE GONNA CONSIDER IT, WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE THE TWO DOORS IN CASE IT USED, IF IT USED TO BE A DUPLEX, WE'D FIND OUT, OR WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE A DOOR IN THE MIDDLE? AND I WOULD PREFER A DOOR IN THE MIDDLE BECAUSE IF WE HAD TWO DOORS, WAS THERE A WINDOW SOMEWHERE UP FRONT? YEAH.
WHERE IS A QUESTION THAT ARISES? WELL, THERE'S A, THERE'S A MARCUS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, WHAT'S THE, THAT BEAM IN THE MIDDLE RATHER MIDDLE.
YEAH, THE DOOR WOULD BE, IT, IT, IT APPEARS ON THE INSIDE TO, TO HAVE BEEN DIVID DIVIDED EQUALLY DOWN THE MIDDLE.
THAT'S WHY THEN THAT IS A SIGN.
AND UM, SOMEONE DID MENTION LOOKING IN CITY DIRECTORY, YOU CAN DO THAT AT THE DOWNTOWN LIBRARY AT, UM, THE DALLAS AND TEXAS HISTORY ARCHIVE, WHICH IS THE SEVENTH FLOOR.
THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED THE PORTAL TO TEXAS HISTORY.
IF YOU GOOGLE, YOU'LL GET IT AND YOU CAN SEARCH ON THAT.
YOU COULD LIKE PUT THE ADDRESS IN WITH LITTLE, UM, QUOTATION MARKS AFTER.
AND IT MIGHT HELP YOU FIND OUT IF THEY LISTED TWO FAMILIES LIVING THERE OR SOMETHING.
IF, IF YOU WANNA DO SOME RESEARCH.
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I I, ON THE QUESTION OF IF YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA RAISE IT UP OR NOT, WHERE WILL YOU KNOW, DO YOU THINK IF YOU'RE GONNA WANNA RAISE IT? WE'RE JUST TRYING, TRYING TO FIND, WE'VE GOT SEVERAL A, UH, ENGINEER NAMES AND WE'VE REACHED OUT TO THEM AND THEY'RE ALL TOO BUSY FOR OUR LITTLE HOUSE.SO JUST GETTING SOMEBODY OUT THERE IS THE CHALLENGE.
I CAN BELIEVE THAT OF THAT RIGHT THERE.
BECAUSE IT MIGHT SERVE YOU BETTER.
DO YOU THINK YOU'D MIGHT LIKE TO WAIT TO BRING THE COLUMN ISSUE AND STUFF BACK WHILE YOU DO SOME RESEARCH UNTIL YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA PICK IT UP OR NOT? BECAUSE THEN WE DON'T HAVE THE PROBLEM WITH A DRAWING THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE HOUSE, WHICH ALSO IT'S TOO SKINNY COMPARED TO THE PICTURE OF THE HOUSE.
THE DRAWING MAKES IT LOOK LIKE IT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS.
IT IS MORE LIKE THIS
SO, UM, UH, JUST IF, IF WE, WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH CONTINUING TO RESEARCH AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD WORK BETTER? I MEAN SURE.
SO HAS TO COME OUT WITH THE BEST POSSIBLE PRODUCT.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'D WANT TO BE DOING.
EVERYBODY HAS A QUESTION? I HAVE A HANG ON, HANG ON.
WHO HASN'T HAD A QUESTION YET? AND ARE YOU ALL SITTING OVER THERE? ANYBODY AT HOME HAVE A QUESTION? ANYBODY ONLINE NEED TO SPEAK AND HAVE BEEN SHUT UP BY ALL THIS? OKAY.
GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER PREZI NEXT.
SO I SEE, UM, THAT WE HAVE THE, UH, SANBORN MAP PULLED UP.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPAND UPON THAT? WELL, AS I THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS POINTED OUT OR WONDERED ABOUT IS IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE 1922 SANBORN, IT DOESN'T EVEN APPEAR TO HAVE THAT SIDE, UM, PROJECTION WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ELIMINATING THE DOOR.
SO THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT NONE OF THAT WAS ORIGINAL ON THAT SIDE.
I THOUGHT MAYBE IT MIGHT ALSO GIVE US SOME, UH, SOME INFORMATION ABOUT WHETHER IT WAS A DUPLEX OR NOT.
I CAN'T, I DON'T THINK IT, THERE WAS A PORCH ON THE BACK LEFT SIDE THAT THEY ENCLOSED.
SO IF IT WAS A DUPLEX, THAT WOULD BE KIND OF STRANGE TO HAVE A BACK PORCH ON ONE SIDE.
SO I DON'T KNOW THE THING, SO MAYBE NOT.
YEAH, SO I DON'T, DID YOU, I THINK IT WAS EITHER A HOUSE WITH THE TWO, TWO DOORS ON THE FRONT.
THAT FRONT AREA TO ME LOOKED LIKE A BEDROOM BECAUSE THERE'S A, A FULL BATH RIGHT OFF THE KITCHEN AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
WHICH DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE.
AND IT, IT COULD HAVE BEEN TWO DOORS WITHOUT A DUPLEX.
'CAUSE THERE ARE MANY EXAMPLES OF THAT, OF THIS AGE.
UM, DID YOU PULL THE, UM, CORRECTED TO 1952 SANBORN? I DID NOT.
BECAUSE THAT WILL SHOW, THEN WE CAN SEE IF THAT ADDITION SHOWS UP, I'LL DO THAT ONE ON TOP AT 52.
SO NOW HE HAS TO THINK OF SOMETHING TO SAY TO FILL THE TIME WHEN YOU SEARCH
WELL THERE WERE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT Y'ALL ADDRESSED THAT I THOUGHT MAYBE I COULD SPEAK TO.
MAYBE, UM, SOMEBODY HAD SAID SOMETHING ABOUT TRUSSES OR SOMETHING.
I, I THINK I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT.
WAS IT TRUSSES OR SOME OH, THAT WAS MENTIONED.
UH, I THINK JIM, YOU MENTIONED THAT EARLIER ABOUT, UM, TIMBERING, UNCOVERING TIMBERING.
OH, UH, YEAH, ABOUT THE, WHETHER WITH HAVE TIMBERING AS YOU SAW ONE PICTURE, THE REST WHEN THEY TOOK OFF THE ASBESTOS SIDING.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT GABLE, WAS THERE, WAS THERE ANY LIKE, LIKE KIND OF TRIANGLES THERE? THERE IS.
AND, AND IF THAT, IF THAT'S ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT, YOU'D BE OKAY WITH KEEPING THAT? ABSOLUTELY.
WERE PLANNING THROUGH IT ANYWAY.
I TALK IT SO PEOPLE AT HOME CAN HEAR YOU OTHERWISE.
DID WE UM, UM, DENY THIS WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND ASK THEM TO DEAL WITH THIS OR WORK WITH SOME DIFFERENT PEOPLE OR GO VISIT OR SOMETHING AND WELL WE ARE MAKING SUGGESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY MIGHT DO TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, BUT SHE MIGHT DO, SHE'S RIGHT HERE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHILE SHE'S NOT HERE.
UM, BUT WE CANNOT HAVE A DENIAL WITH REQUIREMENTS
UM, WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT BEFORE WITH THAT PREJUDICE MEANS THEY CAN COME BACK.
BUT SHE CAN COME BACK AND I THINK WE HAVE DISCUSSED AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT MIGHT BE NECESSARY AND IT'S FAIR TO KIND OF, NOW IF IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING THAT WAY TO TREAT THIS KIND OF LIKE COURTESY REVIEW, HERE'S SOME IDEAS.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING, ISN'T IT? WE HAVE DRIFTED THAT WAY.
I ALSO NOTICED THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE, THE SIDE THAT THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN CHANGED.
IS THERE UM, PLANS TO PUT THE LARGER WINDOWS BACK AT SOME POINT? WHAT I SUGGEST WE MIGHT DO IS DO A COMPREHENSIVE APPLICATION TALKING ABOUT FOUNDATION HEIGHT AND CHANGING WINDOWS.
AND IT, IT'S MUCH BETTER TO LOOK AT THIS THING ONE TIME COMPREHENSIVELY
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THAN TO COME BACK MULTIPLE TIMES.'CAUSE THOSE SIDE WINDOWS ARE NOT QUITE RIGHT EITHER.
SO I SUGGEST WE MIGHT JUST TAKE A STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THIS COMPREHENSIVELY AND CHECK TO SEE WHAT THE USE MIGHT HAVE BEEN.
SINGLE FAMILY OR DUPLEX AND DECIDE WHERE THAT DOOR NEEDS TO GO.
I WAS TRYING TO PULL UP THAT IT TAKES ME ALL TO FIND IT.
OKAY, SO YOU'RE STILL LOOKING.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, I HAVE A MOTION.
OH WELL LET'S LOOK AT OUR SANDBORN MET FIRST.
IT DOESN'T HAVE RESEARCH UNDER PRESSURE IS NOT WHAT MOST OF US ENJOY DOING.
SO WE'LL TRY TO RELAX A MOMENT WHILE, MARCUS, WHERE ARE WE? FIVE.
OH, YOU MUST STAY ON THE WALK.
I STAY TO GO I 4 5 34 AND DOING THIS ON A LAP.
YEAH, NO, ALL WE KNOW WHAT THIS SHOWS IS THAT IT WAS NOT THERE IN 1922, BUT IT IS THERE IN 1951 AND THE BACK BOOK IS GONE.
TRUCTURE AND THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE CHANGED.
THERE'S A CHANCE THAT MAYBE POST-WAR OR DURING THE WAR THEY NEEDED THAT DOOR TO GET TO A UNIT IN THE BACK.
AND THE WHOLE THING MAY HAVE BEEN CHANGED, YOU KNOW, AND THE, AND THE, THAT LITTLE PROJECTION IS ARCHITECTURALLY, UH, COMPATIBLE.
IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A BIG CHANGE FROM THE ORIGINAL.
ALRIGHT, SO NOW LET'S RETURN TO OUR FOCUS.
WE ARE HAVING SO MUCH FUN WITH OUR DISCUSSING WITH OTHER HISTORIC PRESERVATIONS TODAY, BUT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE FUN.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING A JOB
ALRIGHT, SO ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? BECAUSE WE HAVE THE OFFER OF A MOTION.
PROCEED WITH YOUR MOTION PLEASE.
MR. VAR, BEFORE I MAKE THIS MOTION, I WAS GONNA POINT OUT THAT IF YOU WERE TO SELECT A PRESERVATION ARCHITECT, ONE THAT'S SEASONED AND WELL KNOWN AROUND HERE, THEY PROBABLY ARE WORKING WITH AN ENGINEER WHO CAN WORK YOU IN.
UM, AND I MIGHT NEED HELP WITH THIS MOTION.
IF THERE'S AN AREA THAT ANY OF YOU THINK NEEDS TO BE FINE TUNED, WE'LL HELP YOU.
AND SO WILL THE CITY ATTORNEY
UM, IN THE MATTER OF TWO 18 NORTH WILLAMETTE AND THE WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 4 5 DASH 0 5 4 MW.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO ITEM ONE, UM, TO REPLACE THE FRONT DOOR THAT WE APPROVE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND MS. VAR, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO DO IT, IT JUST MEANS THAT IN THE FUTURE, IF THAT'S A CHOICE YOU MAKE, THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO.
UM, AND NUMBER TWO, WITH, UM, RESPECT TO THE PROPOSED WORK ON THE FRONT PORCH, THAT, THAT BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE BECAUSE THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT AND IS THUS INCONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES WITH THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT, NUMBER ONE, THE EXISTING METAL COLUMNS ARE MOST LIKELY NOT ORIGINAL.
AND NUMBER TWO, THE PROPOSED COLUMN PLACEMENT IS ATYPICAL OF THE DISTRICT BECAUSE IT CREATES A CENTERED ENTRY THAT LEADS TO A BLANK WALL.
UM, AND NUMBER THREE, UM, THAT THE PROPOSED LIGHT FIXTURE ALSO BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE BECAUSE IT IS MODERNISTIC AND CONTEMPORARY.
AND THIS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE STYLE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE, WHICH WAS 1910 TO 1935.
AND NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE SIDE DOOR, UM, BE APPROVED FOR REMOVAL, FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
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MAKE A CHANGE NOW YOU COULD, ALTHOUGH YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT IT MIGHT HELP YOU MAKE IT MORE SECURE.UM, NUMBER FIVE, THAT, UM, THE COLOR PALETTE YOU'VE REQUESTED BE APPROVED FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
AND NUMBER SIX, THE MAILBOX AND NUMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED BE APPROVED PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ANDERSON FOR YOUR SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT THEN I CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
AND ANY OPPOSED THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY NO.
UH, IT APPEARS THAT YOUR MOTION HAS CARRIED.
I I NEED TO INFORM YOU THAT UM, IN A CASE WHEN ANYTHING WAS DENIED AND TWO OF YOUR REQUESTS TO GET DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, UH, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL TO CPC FOR A FEE AND THEIR ONLY JUDGMENT WILL BE WHETHER WE WERE WRONG IN OUR THINKING.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THE MANY THINGS THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO GO FORTH AND DO TO MAKE THIS BUILDING REALLY GOOD.
SO WE, WE CERTAINLY HOPE TO SEE YOU BACK AND SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE WORKING WITH YOU 'CAUSE WE HAD REALLY ENJOYED OUR CONVERSATION WITH YOU
I APPRECIATE ALL THE FEEDBACK.
I ALSO WANNA THANK YOU FOR COMING IN AND BEING SO AMENABLE TO EVERYTHING 'CAUSE THIS CAN BE A GREAT HOUSE AND I'M GLAD THEY WILL TAKE OUR, TAKE IT SLOWLY AND MAKE IT RIGHT THING.
ALRIGHT, THAT LEAVES US WITH ONE MORE MADAM CHAIR.
I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM IT'S ME.
OH, THE ATTORNEY TO YOUR LEFT.
OH,
UM, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT, UH, THE MOTION WAS TO AFFIRM ITEMS 1, 4, 5, AND SIX AND DENY TWO AND THREE.
DID I GET THAT CORRECTLY? YEAH.
TWO AND THREE ARE THE ONES THAT GOT THE DENIALS.
SO LET US MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER THREE AND NOT CONFUSE ME ANYMORE.
TWO WAS THE LAST ONE, YOU KNOW WHICH ONE I MEANT THE HOUSE ON 11TH.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1109 EAST 11TH STREET IN THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 4 5 DASH 0 4 9 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT A DUPLEX STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT? A DUPLEX BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 23 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THAT FRONT EXTERIOR DOORS AND PAIRED WINDOWS ON EACH SIDE OF FRONT FACADE BE CENTERED BETWEEN CORRESPONDING PORCH COLUMNS.
THAT FRONT EXTERIOR DOORS BE CRAFTSMAN STYLE WITH SIX TOP LIGHTS.
THAT HORIZONTAL FIBER CEMENT BOARD, FOR EXAMPLE JAMES HARDY BOARD BE USED FOR SKIRTING ONLY AND THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE A BRUSH FINISHED.
CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION C PERTAINING TO SITE AND SITE ELEMENTS AND SECTION B UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODES SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE.
ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS SHOULD BE PEER AND BEAM FOUNDATION WITH CORRUGATED STEEL OR HARDY BOARD SKIRTING REFERENCE 2 0 8 LANDIS STREET OR 10 26 BETTERTON CIRCLE FOR SKIRTING DETAIL.
ALRIGHT, THERE IS NO SPEAKER REGISTERED FOR THIS ONE.
SO UNLESS THERE ARE FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, 'CAUSE WE DID DISCUSS THIS SOMEWHAT, IT WOULD BE TIME TO MOVE TO A MOTION.
BUT IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION LET ME KNOW OR LEMME KNOW IF YOU HAVE A MOTION.
WAS IT BROUGHT UP TO THE APPLICANT THAT THE CEILING, I MEAN THE, UH, WINDOW SEAL HEIGHTS AT LOOKS LIKE BEING AT THREE FOOT WITH THE COLUMN, UH, BASE HEIGHT BEING THE SAME.
WAS THAT BROUGHT UP IN DISCUSSION AND UH, WAS IT, WERE THEY APPLICABLE? WERE THEY, I MEAN IT'S JUST TOO HIGH.
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IS THAT WHAT THEY BROUGHT UP? THE APPLICANT HAS NOT ATTENDED ANY OF THE MEETINGS.THEY'VE ONLY BEEN LISTENING TO THE RECORDINGS.
AND IT'S TO VERIFY, TO CONFIRM IT'S THREE FOOT.
IS THAT WHAT THAT IS IN TERMS OF, WAIT, WHERE ARE YOU REFERRING TO? THE WINDOW SILL HEIGHT, I THINK IT IS.
OR THESE HOUSES SHOULD BE ROUGHLY AROUND 28, MAYBE 30 AT THE MOST.
IT JUST MAKES IT OUT OF, OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE PERIOD STRUCTURE.
SO YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT AS A CONDITION? YEAH, IT NEEDS TO BE LOWERED INTO MORE AN ACCURATE HEIGHT.
SO I'D BE LOOKING AT MAYBE 28 INCHES.
I'D BE LOWERING IT BY WHAT, EIGHT INCHES OR NO, EIGHT 10 INCH.
THAT WOULD DOMINO THAT COLUMN HEIGHT TOO.
'CAUSE THEY TYPICALLY ARE AROUND CLOSELY THE SAME.
WHAT WAS THAT FOUNDATION TYPE? IT IS PEERING B IS THAT IT? COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? YES.
AND DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE A COMMENT? I DO.
IF YOU HAD SOMETHING FURTHER MR. TAYLOR, THEY'LL GO AHEAD.
I THINK THERE WAS A, A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE DOOR BEING EIGHT FOOT TALL.
UH, AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT BEING TOO TALL, IT SHOULD BE SHORTER.
UM, MORE TYPICAL SIZE, UH, DOOR HEIGHT.
UH, THAT QUESTION WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER.
AND I THINK WHAT WE RESOLVED IT TOO WAS THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD USE THE MEASUREMENTS PROVIDED IN THE DOOR SCHEDULE BECAUSE COMMISSIONER RENO REALIZED THAT THE DRAWING AND THE DOOR SCHEDULE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT DOOR MEASUREMENTS.
IF I COULD JUST ADD TO THAT, THIS IS KIND OF A VERNACULAR, UM, CRAFTSMAN COTTAGE AND I THINK THAT THE DOOR HYPE IS WAY OFF.
IT SHOULD BE SCALED TO THE STRUCTURE AND NOT, NOT OVERWHELMED WITH THE FRONT OF THE FACADE.
COMMISSIONER RENO? UM, I HAD WELL FOLLOWING, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, UH, RECOMMENDATION I, I, UH, PROPOSE 'CAUSE I ALSO NOTICED THE WINDOWS ON THE, THE SIDE OF THE LIVING ROOMS, UM, ARE ACTUALLY SIX FEET TALL.
AND THE ONES ON THE FRONT WERE FIVE FEET TALL, THAT WE MODIFY THAT, UH, THAT WINDOW SELECTION ON W ONE AND THE WINDOW SCHEDULE.
UM, AND I THINK EVEN WHEN WE SAW THIS THE VERY FIRST TIME, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS HAD ALSO MENTIONED THAT THOSE WINDOWS BE NARROWER ON THE FRONT.
UH, POSSIBLY 30 INCHES BY BY 72.
SO I'LL ADD THAT TO A, TO A MOTION IF I'M, IF, IF THERE AREN'T ANY MORE QUESTIONS, ARE, ARE YOU SAYING YOU'RE PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION? 'CAUSE IT DOES SEEM LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF CONDITIONS WE'RE THINKING OF PLACING ON THIS.
SO DO YOU THINK THIS, DO YOU THINK YOU CAN DO THAT OR WOULD YOU THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER? WE ACTUALLY, THERE'S ONLY TWO ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS, BUT ALL RIGHTY.
WELL YOU HAVE ADDED AND WE SHALL ALL APPLAUD YOU.
UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM 2 11 0 9 EAST 11TH STREET, UH, CASE NUMBER CA 2 4 5 DASH 0 4 9 RD.
THAT WE APPROVE WITH, UH, FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, UM, STAFF RECOMMEND OR THAT THE STAFF CONDITIONS ARE AS STATED, BUT WITH THE ADDITION OF, OF, UH, TWO MORE CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT THE FRONT WINDOWS, THE FRONT FOUR WINDOWS BE REPLACED WITH, UM, SIZE, UH, TWO FEET, SIX INCHES WIDE BY SIX FEET TALL.
AND THAT THE FRONT DOORS AND THE REAR DOORS, UM, GET REDUCED TO THE WAY THAT THEY ARE CALLED OUT IN THE WINDOWS IN THE DOOR SCHEDULE.
WAS THAT COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? YES, MA'AM.
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ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? PROBABLY NOT.ARE WE READY TO VOTE ON THIS ONE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
IT APPEARS THAT THE MOTION HAS CARRIED AND STAFF WILL HAVE A LOT TO COMMUNICATE TO THE APPLICANT.
HOPEFULLY THEY WILL BE PLEASED.
IF NOT, WE WILL SOMEDAY MEET THEM.
WE HAVE UH, TWO MORE THINGS TO DO.
WE HAVE TO DO THE MINUTES AND AN APPOINTMENT TO ONE OF THE TASK FORCES.
SO WE HAVE AN APPOINTMENT TO THE DOWNTOWN CBD AND INDIVIDUAL STRUCTURES TASK FORCE OF JACK BUNNING.
DOES STAFF NEED TO SAY ANYTHING OR ON THE, ON THE APPOINTMENT? YES.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK BASICALLY HE HAD BEEN HAD, WELL HE HAD BEEN ILL FOR A WHILE, BUT HE'S FEELING BETTER AND WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDED BACK TO THE TASK FORCE.
CAN YOU GIMME HIS BACKGROUND OR HIS CREDENTIALS OR, HE WAS THE FORMER DIRECTOR OF THE DALLAS HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
AH, HE ALSO WORKED FOR THE SIXTH FLOOR.
HE MADE THE ROUNDS OF ALL THE, YES.
SO DO WE NEED A MOTION ON THIS OR DO, DO I JUST GO FOR VOTE? OKAY.
THEN WE APPOINT, UH, JACK MONEY TO THE DOWNTOWN CBD AND INDIVIDUAL STRUCTURES TASK FORCE.
SECOND AND THE SECOND WAS MR. CUMMINGS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? THAT WOULD REALLY HURT ITS FEELINGS.
CONGRATULATE MR. BUNNINGS AND I HOPE HE ENJOYS HIS SERVICE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO, UM, CORRECT ON THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS MINUTES? THEN DOES SOMEONE HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED.
COMMISSIONER SPELL WILL SEE HAS JUST MOVED TO APPROVE THEM.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SECOND COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA? YES.
COMMISSIONER HOSA IS A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? THERE ARE NO OPPOSED.
WITH THAT, WE HAVE COMPLETED OUR WORK AT 3 0 2 IN THE AFTERNOON AND ARE NOW DISMISSED ONLY THAT BLUE PEN SO THAT I DO IT RIGHT.
THAT THAT PEN IS COMPLIMENTING.
THIS IS HER GIFT TO YOU, ISN'T IT?