* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. [BRIEFINGS] QUORUM 6, 7, 8. WE DO. PLEASE START OFF WITH THE ROLL CALL. GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SCHOCK. PRESENT, DISTRICT TWO. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. PRESENT, DISTRICT THREE. COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PRESENT, DISTRICT FOUR. COMMISSIONER FORI. PRESENT, DISTRICT FIVE. CHAIR SHAD PRESENT, DISTRICT SIX. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. PRESENT, DISTRICT SEVEN. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, REAGAN, DISTRICT EIGHT. COMMISSIONER BLAIR? I'M HERE. DISTRICT NINE. COMMISSIONER SLEEPER. HERE. DISTRICT 10. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. PRESENT. DISTRICT 11. COMMISSIONER LER. DISTRICT 12. COMMISSIONER HAWKE. PRESENT. DISTRICT 13. COMMISSIONER HALL. DISTRICT 14. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON HERE AND PLACE 15 VICE CHAIR RUBIN, I'M HERE. YOU HAVE QUORUM, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD MORNING. TODAY IS THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 7TH, 2024, 9:40 AM WELCOME TO THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. UH, COMMISSIONERS, AS ALWAYS, UH, JUST A TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA JUMP RIGHT INTO THE AGENDA. GOOD MORNING. UH, WE'RE GONNA BEGIN WITH THE, UH, CD PLAN COMMISSION ANNUAL REPORT UPDATE. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME'S EMILY LU, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. I, I WAS HERE IN JULY TO GIVE YOU A VERY HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE NEW DEPARTMENT THAT WAS ONLY A COUPLE WEEKS OLD AT THE TIME. SO, UH, COME BACK A WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION. I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU. BUT MOST IMPORTANT TODAY, UH, OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR ANDREA, WILL SHARE THE DATA OF THE LAST FISCAL YEAR, ACTUALLY THE LAST THREE FISCAL YEARS, ABOUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ACTIVITY RELATED TO REZONING, UM, ALL THE CASES THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH. UH, AND ALSO SHE'S GONNA LAY OUT, UM, THE, THE PLAN FOR NEXT YEAR. AND, UH, UH, I HAVE TO SAY THE LAST FEW MONTHS, UM, ANDREA AND HER TEAM HAVE WORKED VERY HARD TRYING TO IDENTIFY AREA FOR IMPROVEMENT. A LOT OF IDEA ACTUALLY, UH, CAME FROM OUR STAFF, UH, WHICH KNOW THE PROCESS VERY WELL. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UM, THIS IS JUST, UM, OVERVIEW. UH, I'M GONNA GIVE A DEPARTMENT-WIDE, UM, UH, OVERVIEW, AND THEN I TURN OVER TO ANDREA. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, AS YOU ARE AWARE, UH, THE DEPARTMENT WAS NEWLY FORMED BACK IN JUNE, ACTUALLY, JUNE 26TH. THAT'S THE FIRST DAY FOR, UH, THE NEW DEPARTMENT. UM, THE DEPARTMENT INCLUDE, UM, TWO PREVIOUS DEPARTMENT PLANNING, URBAN DESIGN AND, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. NOW WE ARE ONE BIG FAMILY. UH, THE, UH, DEPARTMENT HAS DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS HEADED BY, UH, A DEPUTY DIRECTOR, UH, PLANNING FUNCTION, UM, ZONING PERMITTING, AND CUSTOMER AND TEAM EXCELLENCE. SO, FOUR DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS. I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. LAST TIME I GAVE YOU A VERY HIGH LEVEL, BUT THIS TIME I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT EACH OF THE TEAM. SO, FOR PLANNING, UM, IS, UH, UH, DOING A LOT OF LONG RANGE PLANNING RELATED FORWARD DOLLARS, AS YOU KNOW, IS BIG PART OF THAT. UH, THEY'RE DOING COMMUNITY PLANNING. UH, THEY ALSO DOING URBAN DESIGN, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, CONSERVATION DISTRICT, UH, AND ALSO GIS DATA AND RESEARCH. THAT PART USED TO BE HOUSE UNDER DEVELOPMENT SERVICE. NOW MOVE UNDER PLANNING. UH, ANDREA GILLIS IS, UH, DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR THIS ONE. UH, A ZONING. UH, ANDREA SIT NEXT TO ME IS THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR THAT FUNCTION. UH, IN THE PAST, A ZONING FUNCTION WAS DIVIDED IN HALF. HALF OF THAT IS IN PLANNING URBAN DESIGN. THE OTHER HALF IS IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF DISCONNECT. AND SOMETIME WE HAVE ONE CASES GONE THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMERCIAL ALL THE WAY, AND THEN GOING TO GET A PERMIT. AND THEN WE HAVE DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION. THEY HAVE TO START OVER. SO THOSE ARE, UH, THE THINGS THAT WE EXPERIENCE. THERE'S A LOT COMPLAINT ABOUT THAT. BUT NOW WE HAVE TWO FUNCTIONS ALL UNDER ONE ZONING, AS YOU KNOW, ZONING, INCLUDING TEXT MAP AND THE PROCESS, ALL OF THAT. AND ALSO INTERPRETATION. ALL OF THAT IS UNDER THIS ONE BIG UMBRELLA UNDER ANDREA. SO THE CODE AMENDMENT, UH, INTERPRETATION COUNCIL, THAT'S ONE BIG AREA. UH, THE ZONING MAP, UH, REZONING IS A MAP AMENDMENT GOING THROUGH A CERTAIN PROCESS. UM, AND ALSO, UH, THERE'S A SPECIFIC REGULATION ABOUT HOW YOU GO ABOUT THE PROCESS, UH, FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE FINAL STEP. [00:05:01] UH, AND ANDREA'S TEAM, THE ZONING, UH, TEAM ALSO, UH, HELP, UH, THE PLANNING, PLANNING COMMISSION, CPC, BOARD ADJUSTMENT, UM, AND ALSO HAVE, UH, OTHER FUNCTION LIKE SUBDIVISION, UPPER WRIST AND SIGN. SO IT'S A BIG DIVISION. UH, AND ALSO THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE. UH, THE PERMITTING IS, UM, HAS BEEN DIVIDED UP INTO DIFFERENT SMALLER FUNCTION. RESIDENTIAL IS ONE, RESIDENTIAL PERMITTING, COMMERCIAL PERMITTING, INCLUDING ENGINEER, UH, AND Q TEAM. AND ALSO HAVE A SEPARATE TEAM FOR INSPECTIONS. THESE IMPACT INSPECTION, INCLUDING, UH, BUILDING INSPECTION, ELECTRIC, PLUMBING, UH, ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT INSPECTIONS. UM, WE DO HAVE DISTRICT OFFICE. SO THEY ARE GENERALLY LOCATED IN DIFFERENT AREA OF THE CITY. SO THE LAST, UH, FUNCTION IS REALLY INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL SERVICE. WE HAVE PART OF THAT SERVING INTERNAL TEAM EXCELLENCE. THESE ARE RELATED TO BUDGET, HR, YOU KNOW, IT EQUIPMENT. UH, WE ALSO HAVE EXTERNAL FACING, UM, UH, FUNCTION, WHICH INCLUDING CUSTOMER SERVICE, UH, APPLICATION INTAKE, CALL CENTER, UH, CONCIERGE SERVICES, UH, AND ALSO POLICY AND COMMUNICATION. UH, THIS IS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT DIVISION AS WELL. THEY SERVE INTERNAL, EXTERNAL. FOR EXAMPLE, THE CALL CENTER. I JUST LOOK AT THE DATA THE OTHER DAY. OUR CALL CENTER RECEIVE ALMOST A HUNDRED THOUSAND PHONE CALLS A YEAR. UH, THAT'S A LOT. WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT QUESTIONS. UH, SOME AS SIMPLE AS, YOU KNOW, HOURS, SOME MORE COMPLEX ABOUT ZONING. SO IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT FUNCTION. UH, SO WE HAVE THESE FOUR DIFFERENT, UH, DIVISIONS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. NEXT ONE, PLEASE. UM, SO, UH, DURING THE LAST FEW, UH, UM, MONTHS, WE WORKED TOGETHER WITH OUR MANAGERS AND OUR STAFF AND, AND DEVELOPED A MISSION FOR THE DEPARTMENT. UH, BASICALLY WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER. SO THE MISSION STATEMENT SAYS, TOGETHER WE ARE PLANNING AND BUILDING A BETTER DALLAS FOR ALL. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SERVE, UH, PLANNING FUNCTION, BUILDING FUNCTION. WE ALSO SERVE EVERYONE, UM, EVERY RESIDENCE, EVERY BUSINESS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. UH, CURRENTLY WE HAVE 430 POSITIONS, UH, WITH A BUDGET OF $67 MILLION. NEXT ONE, PLEASE. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SUCCESS. I'M TRYING TO STAY ON THE POSITIVE SIDE. I'M GOING TO SHARE JUST BIG PICTURE SUCCESS. THERE'S A LOT OF SMALL IMPROVEMENTS, SMALL SUCCESSES, BUT I'M GONNA FOCUS ON THREE THINGS. UM, SO ONE OF THE, UH, BIGGEST ONE AS MENTIONED, REORGANIZATION AND REALIGNMENT, THE FUNCTIONS AND SOME PARTITIONS AS WELL. UM, SO WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE, UM, IMPROVEMENT, BREAK DOWN THE SILOS AND MAKE SURE WE COMMUNICATE THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT. UH, WE HAVE WEEKLY MEETINGS WITH THE STAFF. UH, WE HAVE REGULAR COMMUNICATION BETWEEN DIFFERENT DIVISIONS. IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, SAY A ZONING CASE HERE, IT GONNA HAVE IMPLICATION DOWN THE STREAM WITH PERMITTING. WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE IMMEDIATELY COMMUNICATE THAT INFORMATION TO OUR, UH, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TEAM MEMBERS. AND THAT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM IN THE PAST BY HAVING, JUST BECAUSE OF STRUCTURE TWO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT. THERE'S A LOT OF MISTAKE MADE BECAUSE OF THAT. BUT HOPEFULLY WITH REORGANIZATION AND REALIGNMENT, WE'RE GONNA MINIMIZE THE MISTAKE WE MADE. WE'RE PROBABLY HARD TO SAY ELIMINATE, BUT MINIMIZE THE MISTAKE, ESPECIALLY THE MISTAKE, UH, MISTAKE CAUSED BY MISCOMMUNICATION OR LACK OF COMMUNICATION. UH, WE ALSO, UH, UH, LOOK AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROJECTIONS. UM, UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THE PROJECTIONS THAT WE HAD BEFORE FOR THE OLD PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE ABOUT 60 SOME PROJECTION TOTAL, BUT MORE THAN HALF OF THAT JUST ONE POSITION TITLE, WHICH IS A SENIOR PLANNER. WE HAVE A LOT OF SENIOR PLANNER HERE, BUT THAT POSITION SEEMED TO BE A LOT OF ANCY. SO WE STARTED LOOK AT THAT PROJECTION. IT'S VERY HARD TO ATTRACT SOMEONE LIKE A SENIOR ION LEVEL. YOU RE REQUIRE LIKE A DEGREE. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT ALSO A MINIMUM FIVE YEAR EXPERIENCE. BY THE TIME YOU HAVE FIVE YEAR EXPERIENCE, YOU PROBABLY SETTLED, UH, IN A CITY SOMEWHERE. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO MOVE TO DALLAS, YOU KNOW, UH, AT THAT MID LEVEL. SO WE LOOK AT THAT, WE DECIDED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES. UH, SOME OF THE PROJECTION WAS, UH, RECLASSIFIED A BIT HIGHER. SO GIVE PEOPLE OPPORTUNITY TO GROW IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, PLANNER HAVE VERY LITTLE OPPORTUNITY TO GROW UPWARD. AND ALSO WE DON'T HAVE A LARGER SUPPLY PLANNER. [00:10:01] ONE AND TWO IS ONLY TWO PLANNER ONES, AND ONE PLANNER. TWO IS WHEN I STARTED HERE. SO WE'RE CHANGING THAT. WE'RE DOWNGRADING SOME OF THE PROJECTIONS FROM SENIOR PLANNER TO PLAN ONE AND TWOS, AND THAT'S MORE LIKELY TO BE LIKE ENTRY LEVEL. SOMEBODY GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE, LIKE MY SON , UH, DECIDED TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. UH, HE ENDED UP IN DALLAS AND I ENDED UP FOLLOWING HIM, UH, . SO, UM, SO THEY ARE AT THE STAGE VERY EAGER TO MOVE TO A CITY. SO WE CREATED SOME ENTRY LEVEL PROJECTS. NOW BEING, TALKING TO A LOT OF COLLEGES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE TO DALLAS. SO THIS WILL GIVE US OPPORTUNITY TO ATTRACT PEOPLE THAT AT THE ENTRY LEVEL JOB. SO WE ARE CHANGING THE STRATEGY IN TERMS OF HOW WE FEEL THE POSITION. UM, AND ALSO, UH, THERE'S A VERY BRIGHT SPOTLIGHT ABOUT COMMERCIAL PERMITTING IMPROVEMENT. SO WHEN, UH, I FIRST STARTED, ONE OF THE TASKS IS REALLY, REALLY LOOKING AT THE COMMERCIAL PERMITTING. UH, YOU SEE THE PICTURE THERE. AND, UM, UH, OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER AND, AND, UH, MARK COBAN HAD A TALK, UH, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. AND, UH, PEOPLE ASKED HIM, WHAT'S THE CHALLENGE IN HERE IN DALLAS? AND HE SAID, PERMITTING, PERMITTING, PERMITTING. IT'S A CHALLENGE. UH, THE, THE TIME THAT THAT, UH, TAKES TO GET A COMMERCIAL PERMITTING, IT'S REALLY, REALLY, IT'S BEEN LIKE SINCE 2021. IT'S OVER 300 DAYS. SO THAT'S HOW LONG TAKE A COMMERCIAL PERMITTING. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WORK VERY HARD. AND I HAVE TO SAY, THE TEAM IS LASER FOCUSED. THERE'S, UH, ALMOST SEVERAL DOZEN PEOPLE WORK IN THE COMMERCIAL, NOT JUST LIKE COMMERCIAL TEAM PER SE, EVEN REZONING TEAM ZONING, CONSULTATION, INTAKE, ENGINEERING, UM, AND, UH, A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UH, ACTUAL FUNCTION SUPPORTING THIS. SO WE ARE LOOKING EVERY SINGLE FUNCTION OF THAT. UM, SO, UM, AS MENTIONED, IT TAKES AVERAGE ABOUT 300 DAYS, BUT IT'S A GOOD, UM, INFORMATION ABOUT LAST MONTH, LAST MONTH FOR THE FIRST TIME. THAT PERMITTING IMPROVEMENT IS KIND OF A SAMPLE, UH, DATA. BUT THE DATA IS VERY CONSISTENT FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS. AND THAT NUMBER HAS BEEN REDUCED TO 112 DAYS FOR THE FIRST TIME. UM, SO THAT'S A LOT OF WORK, UH, GET INVOLVED IN THAT. UH, WE ALSO CLOSE OUT A LOT OF STALE, UH, PERMIT. THERE'S A PERMIT JUST SITTING THERE FOR SOME OF THEM SITTING THERE FOR YEARS. SO WHEN THAT START TO TAKE ACTION, THAT REALLY IMPACT YOUR NUMBER TOO. SO WE HAVE ABOUT 9,000 PERMITS JUST SITTING THERE FOR MONTHS, OVER SIX MONTHS, UP TO A FEW YEARS. SO, UM, STAFF LOOK AT THAT AND, AND STARTING TO CLOSE THOSE OUT. SO AS OF THIS WEEK, WE CLOSE OUT CLOSE TO 5,000 OF THEM. SO THAT'S A LOT OF WORK. UH, WE ALSO HAVE SOME NEW PROCESS. UH, WE'RE DEVELOPING, UH, NEW PRE-DEVELOPED PROCESS THAT THAT MEANS WHEN PEOPLE SUBMIT COMMERCIAL PERMIT, WE MAKE SURE THEY, THEY GET READY. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT HELPING THEM WHAT YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE ALL THE APPLICATION IS IN PLACE. SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. AND ALSO, UM, WE HAVE MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THE Q TEAM REQUIREMENT, BASICALLY MAKE IT LOWER THRESHOLD. AND WE HAVE A SURGE IN Q TEAM APPLICATION. SO IT'S A BIG SUCCESS THERE. AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON CONTINUING IMPROVEMENT. RECENTLY WE ARE WORKING OCTOBER 1ST. WE STARTED A NEW PROJECT WORKING WITH TOYOTA PRODUCTION SYSTEM. THERE'S A NON-PROFIT, UH, HELPING ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO IMPROVE PROCESS IMPROVEMENT, REDUCE WASTE. SO WE WERE SELECTED, UH, BY, UH, TOYOTA PRODUCTION SYSTEM. UH, SO WE CAN WORK WITH THEM TRYING TO FURTHER LOOKING AT, UH, THE, THE BOTTLENECK HERE, UH, THE WASTE IN THE PROCESS AND TRYING TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS. AND THAT PROJECT SHOULD BE COMPLETE AT BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR. UM, IT'S VERY PROMISING. UH, NEXT ONE, PLEASE. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, UM, UH, ONE OF THE BIGGEST SUCCESSES, UH, THIS PAST YEAR IS FOR DALLAS. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND KNOW A LOT OF YOU SPENT HOURS AND HOURS AND LOOKING AT THE DRAFT, GIVE US SOME COMMENTS, GETTING INVOLVED IN THE, UH, COMMITTEE MEETINGS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS. THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE DATA. HOW MUCH WORK GET INTO IT IS AMAZING. THIS IS THE THREE WORKS, THREE YEARS OF HARD WORK, A LOT OF MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, IN PERSON, VIRTUAL, A LOT INTERACTION BETWEEN STAFF AND THE COMMUNITY. A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL FROM POLICY MAKERS. BUT FINALLY IT GOT ADOPTED, UM, ON SEPTEMBER 25TH, UH, JUST, UH, LESS THAN TWO MONTHS AGO. UH, SO THOSE ARE THE TWO, UH, THREE [00:15:01] BIG PICTURE SUCCESSES. UM, I DID NOT PUT DOWN A SLIDE. I HAVE TO SAY THEY ARE A LOT OF CHALLENGES. I DID NOT HAVE A SLIDE ABOUT CHALLENGES, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GO WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT IT. UM, SO, UM, THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE ACTUALLY IS CHANGE. UH, WE HAVE MAKE A LOT OF CHANGES ORGANIZATIONAL WISE, RIGHT? I HAVE 430 EMPLOYEES, DIFFERENT DIVISION, DIFFERENT TEAMS. BASICALLY, WE TAKE THEM APART AND PUT THEM TOGETHER AGAIN. CHANGE IS DIFFICULT. CHANGE IS HARD FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. FOR YOU AND ME, PROBABLY A LOT OF PEOPLE. BUT CHANGE IS NECESSARY. CHANGE IS NEEDED FOR THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING. UM, NOT ONLY THAT, WE ALSO HAVE CHANGING PROCESS. AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE LOOKING AT COMMERCIAL PERMITTING. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE REZONING PROCESS, UH, VERY SOON. UH, ALL THOSE PROCESS CHANGES ALSO VERY DIFFICULT. AND, AND ALSO, UH, WE ALSO TRYING TO CHANGE THE CULTURE OF THE DEPARTMENT. AND WE WANT TO FOCUS ON TEAMWORK, COLLABORATION, AND PROBLEM SOLVING. AND THAT IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST CAN'T DO THE SAME OLD, SAME, SAME OLD, SAME ONE AGAIN. AND OUR, UH, INTERIM CITY MANAGER, UM, HAS A MESSAGE SERVICE FIRST NOW. AND I WANT TO REMIND MYSELF AND MY STAFF ON A REGULAR BASIS WHY WE ARE HERE, WHY WE HOLD OUR PROJECTIONS. WE ARE HERE BECAUSE OF OUR CUSTOMERS. WE'RE HERE TO SERVE OTHERS SERVICE FIRST. NOW, TO ME IS SERVICE IS WHAT WE DO NOW, MEANS THERE'S SENSE OF URGENCY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING I TRYING TO TALK TO OUR STAFF ON A REGULAR BASIS. THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE HERE. UM, SO IT'S DIFFICULT OF COURSE. AND, UH, WITH THAT CHANGE SOMETIME, IT COULD CREATE A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, CHAOTIC SITUATION HERE AND THERE. AND COULD, UM, HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, TURNOVER. AND, UH, OUR TURNOVER HAS BEEN PRETTY STEADY OVER THE LAST YEAR FOR BOTH DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY IS A LITTLE OVER 20%. UH, AND AS OF TODAY, I HAVE 98 VACANCIES. UH, THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS PROJECTION IS PLUMBER. IF YOU KNOW, A PLUMBER IS LOOKING FOR A JOB, MY PHONE IS OPEN TWENTY FOUR SEVEN. I NEED MORE PLUMBERS, PERIOD. I NEED MORE PLANNERS TOO. , ALL KINDS OF. SO, UM, BUT THE, THE REASON I THINK WE ARE STILL, UH, AT 20% THAT WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT EVERY POSITION THIS MOMENT. SO I'M GOING TO CHANGE THAT OCTOBER 1ST. THE FIRST DAY WE ARE ALLOWED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO OR RECLASSIFICATION WE'RE DOING THAT. UM, WE JUST FINISHED, UH, THE, UM, PERMITTING DIVISION, GET ALL OF THOSE CHANGES, SOME PARTITION GOING UP, SOME PARTITION GOING DOWN BY THIS BUDGET NEUTRAL. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT ANDREA AND ANDREA'S TEAM TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO THERE. UH, ONE OF THE GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A CAREER PATH FOR OUR TALENTED STAFF. WE HAVE A LOT OF STAFF. WE WANT TO KEEP THEM. WE WANT TO, UH, KEEP THEM NOT JUST FOR OUR DEPARTMENT, BUT ALSO IN DALLAS, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO CREATE A CAREER PATH FOR THEM. THESE PEOPLE, A LOT OF THEM HAVE MASTER DEGREE. BEEN A PROFESSOR FOR MANY YEARS. AS I MENTIONED, A LOT OF THE, MY SENIOR PLANNERS, A VERY BIG BUBBLE IN THE MIDDLE. THERE ARE ONLY A FEW ASSISTANT DIRECTORS, ONLY ONE DIRECTOR, RIGHT? . SO WE'LL MAKE SURE WE HAVE A CAREER PATH FOR PEOPLE TO GROW INTO. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT ONLY TALENTED, UH, ALSO DOING ABOUND AND BEYOND WORK, MAKE SURE WE TAKE CARE OF THEM. AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT YOUNG PEOPLE. SO WE ARE GRADUALLY WORKING TOWARDS FAILING THE POSITIONS. SO I ANTICIPATE THE VACANCY RATE WILL COME DOWN IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. AND ALSO THE THIRD CHALLENGE IS ARE TALKING ABOUT CHALLENGE TO CHANGE VACANCY. THE THIRD CHALLENGING IS REALLY TRUST. UH, WE NEED TO REBUILD OUR TRUST WITH OUR CUSTOMERS, UH, TRUST WITH OUR RESIDENTS, EVEN TRUST WITH OUR BOARD AND COMMISSIONS. I HAD A PRESENTATION WITH BOARD ADJUSTMENT LAST WEEK. UH, IT WAS NOT EASY, UH, THAT THEY GIVE ME SOME VERY HONEST, UH, FEEDBACK AND I REALLY TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. UM, AND I THINK I DO ACKNOWLEDGE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE. AND WE ARE GOING TO WORK HARD TRYING TO MAKE CHANGES, TRYING TO REBUILD THE TRUST WITH EVERYBODY, EVEN WITH POLICY MAKERS. I, WE NEED TO BUILD MORE TRUST. SO THOSE ARE THE CHALLENGES. I DON'T HAVE A SLIDE, BUT I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT. WE DO HAVE CHALLENGE. THIS IS NOT EASY JOB . THIS IS NOT EASY DEPARTMENT, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON MAKING IMPROVEMENT ON ALL GROUNDS. UM, AND ALSO MY LAST SLIDE ABOUT TALKING ABOUT OUR DEPARTMENT GOALS. THESE ARE THE SEVEN GOALS [00:20:01] THAT I TALK TO MY STAFF ALL THE TIME. THESE ARE OUR FOCUS, UH, FOR THE NEXT FEW YEAR, NOT JUST ONE YEAR. IT IS MULTIPLE YEAR. FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIRST ONE IS FOR DALLAS IMPLEMENTATION. NOW THAT IT HAS BEEN ADOPTED, IT IS NOT GONNA SIT ON THE SELF. WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT IT. THERE'S A LOT OF RECOMMENDATION IN THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF PRIORITY WE WORK, UH, THAT WE NEED TO WORK. FOR EXAMPLE, ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT. UH, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT CORRIDORS AND CENTER. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. AND LOTS OUR STAFF HEARD. AND YOU PROBABLY, YOU HEARD TOO. LOT OF RESIDENTS SAY, WE NEED DENSITY HERE, BUT WE WANT 'EM TO FOCUS ON THE CORRIDORS AND CENTERS. UNFORTUNATELY, DALLAS HAS LIGHT RAIL SYSTEM. WE SHOULD FEEL VERY, VERY PRIVILEGED. LARGE CITY DO NOT EVEN HAVE THE LUXURY TO TALK ABOUT LIGHT RAIL. WE, OUR LIGHT RAIL IS ONE OF THE LONGEST IN THE COUNTRY, BUT WE JUST NEED SOME RETURN OUT OF IT. SO BY BUILDING DENSITY AROUND TRANSIT, BY BUILDING A DENSITY ON CORRIDOR WILL HELP NOT ONLY THE CITY CONTINUE TO GROW IN THE RIGHT WAY, BUT ALSO WILL SUPPORT OUR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON. UM, AND ALSO, UM, THE, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT CODE REFORM, OUR ZONING CODE, YOU KNOW, THIS BETTER THAN ME, UH, SAW OUTDATED. THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE REASON WE HAVE SO MANY PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OVER 1100. IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE SUB AREA, ALL THE AMENDMENT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THOUSANDS OF THEM. I DON'T KNOW HOW HUMAN CAPACITY CAN MANAGE ALL OF THAT. AND I'M NOT HAVING EXCUSES IN SOME LOT MISTAKE ARE MADE BECAUSE, UM, THEY ARE IN THE PD AND, AND SOMETIMES IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO MANAGE. UM, SO I THINK THE REASON WE HAVE SO MANY PD, BECAUSE THE ZONING CODE IS OUTDATED, DOES NOT WORK FOR ALL SITUATIONS. PEOPLE TRYING TO GET AROUND IT. GUESS WHAT, WHEN YOU CREATE THOSE PDS, TRYING TO GET AROUND THE ZONING, YOU ACTUALLY CREATE SOME ISSUE DOWN THE ROAD WHILE LOOKING AT SOME PD CREATED 20 YEARS, YOU KNOW, 30 YEAR DOWN THE ROAD. WE STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. SO THE GOAL IS TO HAVE A ZONING REFORM SO THAT IN THE FUTURE WE'LL HAVE HOPEFULLY NO P DS OR BARE MINIMUM. SOME OTHER CITY HAVE A FEW HERE AND THERE, LIKE TWO OR THREE, THOSE, THOSE ARE VERY MANAGEABLE. NAME A CITY THAT HAS MORE PUD THAN DALLAS. THE ONLY ONE I CAN THINK OF IS PROBABLY THE STATE OF BOSTON. BUT THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING COMPLETE ZONING OVERHAUL. SO THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT, UM, PROJECT. AND THIS PROBABLY ALSO NOT A SIMPLE PROJECT. IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION THAN $4. SO BE PREPARED IF YOU'RE HERE FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS. YOU'RE GONNA HEAR A LOT ABOUT THIS AND IT'S PROBABLY GONNA GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK TOO. SO THAT'S IMPORTANT. OUR ZONING CODE, IT WAS DEVELOPED MOSTLY IN THE SIXTIES. THINK ABOUT HOW OLD THAT IS. 60 YEARS OLD ALMOST. WE HAVE SOME MINOR, UM, UH, UPDATE IN 1980, BUT IT'S VERY, VERY OLD. SO WE NEED TO TACKLE THAT. HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A COMPLETE OVERHAUL ON THAT ONE AS WELL. UH, THE THIRD ONE IS ALSO IMPORTANT. EVERY THREE YEARS, UM, AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, ICC INTERNATIONAL, UH, CODE COUNCIL WILL HAVE NEW BUILDING CODE, UH, INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE, MOSTLY DEALING WITH COMMERCIAL AND ALSO ANYTHING RESIDENTIAL, THREE UNITS UP HAS ENTERED THE COMMERCIAL CODE. UH, AND THEN INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE IS ONLY DEALING WITH SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEX. UM, EVERY THREE YEARS, THE CODE COUNCIL WILL RELEASE NEW, UH, CODE. THEY JUST RELEASED 20, 24 VERSION. AND THE CITY, THE GOOD THING ABOUT CITY OF DALLAS, WE DO HAVE A LOCAL ORDINANCE. ALLOW US, ALLOW THE CITY TO AMEND THIS. WE DON'T HAVE TO ADOPT EXACTLY THE SAME, WHICH IS GOOD BECAUSE EVERY CITY IS DIFFERENT, RIGHT? FOR OTHER CITY, THAT'S ALL THEY DO. WHATEVER PUT OUT BY THE INTERNATIONAL, UH, BUILDING COUNCIL, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE. BUT CITY OF DALLAS HAS ABILITY TO AMEND THAT TO FEED THE NEED OF THE CITY. UH, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING ON A TWO YEAR PROCESS. HOWEVER, I JUST GOT A, UH, ORDINANCE, A REQUEST FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. ASK OUR DEPARTMENT TO LOOK AT THE RESIDENTIAL CODE, UH, PARTICULARLY WHETHER WE CAN EXPAND THAT TO INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL, BASICALLY, UH, TRIPLEX, FOURPLEX, FOURPLEX OR TO EIGHT PLEX. SO EIGHT UNITS OR LESS. WHETHER WE CAN MOVE THAT FROM COMMERCIAL BUILDING CODE TO RESIDENTIAL CODE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING ON IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. WE NEED TO DO THAT QUICKLY. THAT'S OUR PHASE ONE. SO ONCE WE DO SOME RESEARCH, UM, AND BEST PRACTICE, I'LL GO BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND PROVIDE THEM WITH SOME RECOMMENDATION. UH, SOME OTHER CITY ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE ALREADY LOOKING AT THIS CITY OF MEMPHIS ALREADY. GET [00:25:01] IT DONE. UM, NEXT, WE JUST TALKED TO 'EM A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THEIR AS WELL. UM, CITY EL PASO IS WORKING ON THEIR, AUSTIN IS WORKING ON THEIR EAST COAST, WEST LOT CITY. AND LOOKING AT THIS TO ALLOW MORE, UM, RESIDENTIAL, SMALL SCALE RESIDENTIAL IN THE RESIDENTIAL CODE PER SE. SO STATING TUNED ON THAT ONE, THAT ONE DOES NOT COME OVER HERE. ACTUALLY, THAT ONE GO TO A DIFFERENT BOARD. UH, THEY CAN REVIEW THAT THEN WILL GO TO, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL. UH, NUMBER FOUR, IMPLEMENT A HISTORIC CULTURAL PRESERVATION. THIS ONE WAS ADOPTED CITY COUNCIL, UH, BACK IN APRIL. AND, UH, WE ARE IN THE, UH, PROCESS OF IMPLEMENT THAT. THERE ARE QUITE A FEW IMPLEMENTATION, UM, UH, PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE GO WORKING ON AS WE SPEAK RIGHT NOW. UH, SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR PROJECT BASED. UH, EACH OF THIS WILL HAVE A OWNER , UH, LIKE ANDREA WILL BE LEADING THE IMPLEMENTATION FORWARD. DALLAS, UH, ANDREA WILL BE THE NUMBER TWO. SO EACH OF THIS WILL HAVE EITHER A DEPUTY DIRECTOR OR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS. SO THE LAST THREE, I HAVE A DIFFERENT COLOR. THOSE ARE DEPARTMENT WIDE. THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO WORK EVERY SINGLE DAY. SO NUMBER FIVE IS STREAMLINE THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS. THAT'S SOMETHING WE HEARD THAT CITY OF DALLAS PERMITTING, PERMITTING PERMIT, WE NEED TO STREAMLINE, RIGHT? NOT JUST PERMITTING. WE ALSO HEARD THAT WE ALSO NEED TO STREAMLINE THE REZONING PROCESS, WHICH INCLUDING THIS BOARD, AS I MENTIONED, I ALREADY GOT A LOT OF IDEA FROM OUR STAFF. UH, THEY ARE THE ONE WHO WORK ON THIS DAILY, AND THEY ALREADY COME TOGETHER WITH A LOT OF IDEA. ANDREA ACTUALLY GONNA PRESENT SOME OF THOSE. WE CONTINUE TO GET INPUT FROM OTHER PEOPLE AS WELL. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE, WE HELD A LISTENING SESSION WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. AND THAT'S VERY HELPFUL TO GET US FOCUSED ON THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO. UM, SO I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT STREAMLINING DEVELOPMENT REPORT AND NOT JUST THE BIG ONE, THE COMMERCIAL, THE REZONING, BUT ALSO SMALLER PROCESS. LIKE, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, CAN WE DO A BETTER JOB EVEN MORE WITH THE INTAKE PROCESS? WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERY SINGLE PROCESS. NO IMPROVEMENT IS TOO SMALL. AND SOMETIME THOSE, THOSE SMALLER OR SMALL IMPROVEMENT IDEA AFTER IMPLEMENTED WILL MAKE A BIG CHANGE. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS, NO MATTER HOW BIG AND HOW SMALL THEY ARE. UH, NUMBER SIX, USE MORE INNOVATION TECHNOLOGY TO ENHANCE EFFICIENCY, ACCURACY, AND TRANSPARENCY. UM, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. UM, WE HAVE THREE BIG THING WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. ONE OF THEM IS DIGITIZING OUR FILES MOVING FORWARD. WE'RE TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING SUBMITTED ONLINE OR DIGITAL FORM. WE ARE NOT COMPLETELY IN THAT DIRECTION. WE ARE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. SO WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND GOING BACKWARDS, WE NEED TO SCAN SOME OF HISTORIC, UM, FILES SO WE CAN UPLOAD ONLINE SO PEOPLE CAN LOOK, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A CASE, YOU WANNA SEE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OTHER CASE OR YOU CAN LOOK ONLINE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE DOING. AND WE, WE HAVE A, A LITTLE BUDGET, SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT LASER FOCUS ON THAT. THE SECOND ONE, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT, IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE A NEW PERMITTING, UH, PROGRAM CALLED ELA. THIS IS A PROGRAM IN MY PREVIOUS CITY. WE'VE BEEN USING IT FOR YEARS. THIS ONE IS VERY IMPORTANT. WE'LL ALLOW PEOPLE NOT ONLY SUBMIT THEIR PLANS ONLINE, BUT ALSO MAKE IT VERY OPEN, TRANSPARENT. BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, SAY COMMISSIONER BLAIR, SUBMIT SOMETHING. JUST EXAMPLE. AND THE WHOLE WORLD WILL KNOW WHAT IS SUBMITTED, IS VERY OPEN, TRANSPARENT. YOU CAN DO A SEARCH BY ADDRESS, BY, UH, LOCATION OR JUST BY APPLICATION TYPE. RECENTLY I WANT TO SEE WHAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO THIS DEPARTMENT OF, OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT THIS MONTH OR THIS WEEK OR TODAY. YOU LOOK UP THERE, LOOK AT REZONING, IT SHOW YOU ALL. UH, IN MY PREVIOUS CITY, UH, THE REPORTER ALWAYS GET IT WAY QUICKER THAN ME . SO BEFORE THE END OF DAY, THERE'S ALREADY ARTICLE, UM, OUT THERE. UH, SO IT'S, IT'S VERY OPEN TRANSPARENCY. THAT'S HOW WE BUILD OUR TRUST TOO, UH, BUT ALSO ALLOW US TO MANAGE THE PROGRAM A LITTLE BETTER. SO THAT CAN IMPROVE EFFICIENCY, YOU KNOW, BY EVERYTHING. UH, CENTRALIZED IN THE DIGITAL FORM. ACCURACY, YOU CAN, THEY'RE USUALLY A PULL DOWN MENU. YOU SELECT ONES. YOU DON'T HAVE TO NAME YOUR OWN CASE TYPE, BUT IN THE PAST, WE HAVE SOME MISTAKE MADE THAT PEOPLE MA NAMING COMMERCIAL, FOR EXAMPLE. THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS I FOUND OUT THAT YOU CAN NAME COMMERCIAL PERMITTING, C-O-M-C-O-M-M. SO PEOPLE NAME IT DIFFERENTLY. SOMETIMES YOU GOT LOST IN THE DATA. BUT THIS PROGRAM WILL ALLOW YOU TO STANDARDIZE ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT, UM, CASE TYPES. AND [00:30:01] THEN YOU CAN, UM, ACTUALLY EXTRACT SOME OF THE DATA AND DO ANALYSIS MORE ACCURATELY. AND OF COURSE, TRANSPARENCY ALREADY MENTIONED THAT. SO, UM, THE THIRD PART. SO SCANNING A NEW PROGRAM. THE THIRD PART, WE'RE ONLY EXPLORING AT THIS MOMENT. AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE SO MANY PUDS, IT'S VERY HARD FOR US TO, UH, YOU KNOW, MASTER ALL OF THOSE. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX AND USING DIFFERENT TOOLS. OF COURSE, THE NEW TECHNOLOGY IS AI AND WE ARE EXPLORING THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE AI TO HELP US, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WITH OUR ZONING. AND THAT'S WHY IT MAY BE POSSIBLY REVIEW SOME OF OUR CASE TYPES. I'M WORKING RIGHT NOW WITH AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION. NO CITY HAVE DONE THIS YET. SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD BE A PILOT CITY WITH AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION, AND THEN SOME PROFESSOR, UH, THAT SPECIALIZE IN AI. SO STAY TUNED ON THAT. I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX. WE REALLY HAVE TO USE NEW WAYS TO DO OUR BUSINESS. WE CANNOT JUST DO THE SAME OLD, SAME OLD AND EXPECT A DIFFERENT OUTCOME. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT AS WE SPEAK. UM, THE LAST ONE, WHICH IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT TO FOSTER A CULTURE. I THINK THE CULTURE IS VERY IMPORTANT. I HAVE 430 POSITIONS. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR STAFF NEED TO GET IN THE DIRECTION OF NORTHBOUND TRAIN, UH, TO, UH, DO OUR WORK. AND THAT'S WHERE, SO I NEED TO CHANGE SOME OF THE CULTURE. UM, THAT TEAMWORK. WE NEED TO WORK WITH OTHERS, WITH YOU, WITH RESIDENTS, WITH, YOU KNOW, LAWMAKERS. WE ALSO NEED TO COLLABORATE WITH EVERYONE AND BE A PROBLEM SOLVER SO THAT THOSE CULTURE CHANGE ALSO IS DIFFICULT AND TAKE SOME TIME. SO GRADUALLY, I THINK GRADUALLY WE ARE IN THAT DIRECTION. UH, THESE ARE THE DEPARTMENT GOALS. SOME OF THESE GOALS IS ONGOING. SOME OF THESE GOALS ARE TAKE YEARS. UH, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING OUR TEAM IS VERY AWARE OF. I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU AND BE HAPPY TO REPORT BACK ON A REGULAR BASIS TO SEE WHAT PROGRESS WE HAVE MADE. SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN TO ANDREA TO TALK ABOUT THE DATA, UH, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT. UM, UH, FOR OUR DEPARTMENT, WE MONITOR DATA. WE'RE SEEDING THE TREND. AND WE ALSO, WE USE THIS YEAR'S DATA AS A BASELINE. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IMPROVEMENT. WE HAVE TO COMPARE, RIGHT? SO THIS YEAR'S DATA, WE'RE GONNA USE THAT AS A BASELINE, AS WE IMPLEMENT THE IDEA FROM STAFF AND FROM OUR CUSTOMERS. WE'RE HOPING TO MAKE IMPROVEMENT IN THAT, UH, AREA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. UM, I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF SLIDES AND YOU HAD ACCESS. WE POSTED THE PRESENTATION LAST NIGHT. IT'S STILL ON THE WEBSITE. I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THE SLIDES. UM, I'M GONNA JUST POINT SOME IDEAS. UM, 'CAUSE I, AGAIN, IT'S A LOT OF DATA AND PROBABLY WE DON'T WANNA DIVE TOO DEEP INTO IT. UM, MAIN GOAL, UM, I THINK MAIN MESSAGE THAT I WANNA, AND YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS SAY THIS, UM, THERE IS THREE YEAR, THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO WHEN I STARTED AS AN ASSISTANT DIRECTOR IN THIS POSITION, THE MESSAGE WAS VERY CLEAR FOR THE CITY, FROM THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION TO IMPROVE QUALITY. AND THERE WAS A BIG FOCUS THAT WE HAD. WE KNEW THAT, UH, IS GONNA SHOW IN OUR PERFORMANCE, BUT IT TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND I, I'M QUITE PROUD OF THE QUALITY THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ACHIEVE. UM, AND THE SECOND BIG ONE, AND YOU KNOW, YOU ALWAYS HEAR ME SAY IT, WE ARE PARTNERS. SO, UM, YOUR WORK TOGETHER WITH OUR WORK WITH THE ZONING, UH, TEAM, BASICALLY IS A BIG, UH, PUZZLE PIECE IN THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. SO IT'S, UH, DIRECTOR LOU WAS SAYING EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IN HERE, QUALITY AND PARTNERSHIP ACTUALLY IS FELT IMMEDIATELY AND DIRECTLY AT PERMITTING. SO I'M GONNA, UM, INTRODUCE THE TEAM A LITTLE BIT. YOU KNOW THE TEAM VERY WELL, BUT YOU ONLY KNOW THE TEAM THAT WORKS IN REZONINGS. IN THE MEANTIME, OUR ZONING DIVISION IS A LITTLE BIT HARD, UH, BIGGER, A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW. SOME DATA, AS I SAID, ALL THE SLIDES USUALLY ARE, UM, DATA FROM THIS PAST FISCAL YEAR AND THEN COMPARISON FOR THE THREE YEARS. SOME, UH, ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND GOALS. BUT I'M NOT GONNA AGAIN, UM, TALK A LOT ABOUT THEM BECAUSE, UH, DIRECTOR LOU KIND OF LIKE, UH, IN HER PRESENTATION DID A SWEEP OF ALL OF THEM. UM, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CODE REFORM. UM, AS WELL, I HAVE TWO SLIDES WITH OUR ORG CHART, OUR NEW ORG CHART. UM, IT'S, UM, AS EMILY DIRECTOR LEE WAS SAYING, OUR TEAM IS PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE IN THIS NEW, UH, DEPARTMENT THAT IS HUFF AND HUFF, HUFF, UH, [00:35:01] ALL ZONING TEAM THAT YOU KNEW. AND THEN WE GOT THE PERMITTING, UH, SIDE OF ZONING AS WELL. SO, UH, YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS PRO, THIS IS, UM, A PORTION OR HALF OF THE TEAM. I KIND OF LIKE MIX THEM A LITTLE BIT TO TRY TO ACHIEVE SOME STREAMLINING BY INERTIA OF HOW THE TEAMS ARE SET UP RIGHT NOW. UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, UM, TO KIND OF LIKE MAKE BUSINESS SENSE, RIGHT? SO ON THIS SIDE OF THE, OF THE SPECTRUM OR THE SIDE OF THE ZONING DIVISION, YOU'RE GONNA SEE WE HAVE CODE AMENDMENTS. AND THEN WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN THE MIDDLE IS A, A LOT OF PROCESS AND A LOT OF TEAM THAT'S FOCUSED ON BOTH PERMITTING. BUT YOU DO SEE, UM, THIS TEAM THAT IS WITH DONNA MORMON, YOU SEE MINOR AMENDMENTS DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THEY ARE ACTUALLY MORE PERMITTING, UM, THAN REZONING. SO THAT WAS OUR THINKING. ALSO, YOU KNOW, UM, WE HAVE, UM, A LITTLE SMALL ONE PERSON DIVISION THAT'S FOCUSING ON STRATEGY AND PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S OUR MIGRATION TO ELA. YOU ALL KNOW WE'VE BEEN TELLING YOU FOR THREE YEARS. UM, WE ARE PAPER BASED. WE CONTINUE TO BE PAPER BASED, EVEN IF WE HAVE THE GS INTAKE LOG, EVEN IF WE ALLOW DIGITAL SUBMITTALS RIGHT NOW AND WE WORK VIA EMAILS, IT'S STILL PAPER. UM, SO THAT AUTOMATION IS GONNA HAPPEN AND IT TAKES TIME TO GET A PROCESS AS COMPLEX AND, AND JUST PAPER TO MOVE IT INTO, INTO A PLATFORM. THE OTHER SIDE IS THESE ARE ALL THE TEAMS THAT ARE WORKING WITH BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THEM. AND I ALSO INCLUDED THIS, UH, AWESOME, WONDERFUL ADMIN TEAM OR SUPPORT TEAM THAT IS NOT IN THE ZONING, UH, BUT THEY ARE SUPPORTING EVERY FUNCTION OF, UM, CPC AND THE ZONING FUNCTIONS IN THE DEPARTMENT. YOU ALREADY KNOW LILLIAN LOPEZ, WHO'S OUR CPC SECRETARY, OR YOLANDA PINA, WHO'S, UH, ALSO, UM, SUPERVISOR FOR CPC, SECRETARY NORTH SECRETARIES. UM, THIS IS JUST A LITTLE PORTION OF US. IT'S 60 SOMETHING. UH, THIS IS JUST THE ONES THAT WERE NOT SHY TO SEND THEIR PICTURES. I'D LIKE TO PUT PICTURES, UH, UM, OR FACES WITH, UM, OUR DEPARTMENT. A COMBINATION OF ALL TEAMS. AGAIN, YOU SEE ZONING, BUT YOU ALSO, UH, SOME OF THE PERMITTING FOLKS ON IN HERE AS WELL. LET'S DEVELOP BIT INTO CPC, UH, ACCOMPLISHMENTS. FOCUS ON ZONING DATA. UH, ON THE CPC ANNUAL REPORT, YOU'RE GONNA GET INFORMATION ABOUT MINOR AMENDMENTS AND ALL OF THE THINGS THE CPC IS DOING. BUT BECAUSE THE ZONING PORTION, YOU KNOW, IT'S HALF OF OUR AGENDA AND IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST, UM, UM, INTERESTING OR CONVOLUTED PART OF IT. I WANTED TO PRESENT THIS DATA A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH. THE MISSION STATEMENT IS THE ONE THAT, UM, WAS VOTED AND, UH, CREATED, BUT Y'ALL, UM, IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO BE, UNLESS YOU ARE, UH, TELLING ME TODAY OR NEXT, UM, NEXT CPC MEETING THAT WE WANNA CHANGE SOMETHING, PLEASE LET US KNOW THIS IS OUR MISSION, UM, OR YOUR MISSION. UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A CPC AND COMMITTEE OVERVIEW. WHICH OF THE COMMITTEE MET THIS YEAR? UH, HOW MANY EXCEPT FOR THE RULES COMMITTEE, HOW MANY TIMES? AGAIN, RAW DATA, RAW NUMBERS. UM, LET'S DIVE A LITTLE BIT INTO CHARTS. AS I SAID, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A BALANCING BETWEEN FISCAL THIS FISCAL YEAR AND A COMPARISON. THERE'S A LOT OF DATA AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN GIVING, UH, AND I'VE BEEN SENDING TO Y'ALL VERY DETAILED, UH, TABLES WITH ALL THE ACTIVITY OF CPC. IT'S, I TRY TO CHOOSE SOME TABLES TO TELL A LITTLE BIT OF A STORY. AS I SAID, MY BIG EMPHASIS IS ON PARTNERSHIP. UM, SO PLEASE DO APPLY THAT BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT. UH, WE ARE PARTNERS AND LET'S, UH, WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER VERY CLOSE. UM, THIS IS BASICALLY PER EACH CPC MEETING, HOW MANY TOTAL ITEMS WE HAD FOR EACH MEETING MEETING, AND TO SEE HOW MUCH, HOW MANY OF THEM WERE ZONING CASES. AS I WAS SAYING, LIKE PROBABLY HALF OF EACH AGENDA IS ALWAYS ZONING CASES. UM, KIND OF LIKE, UM, DIVIDING AND COMPARING PER THREE YEARS. I WANNA MAKE A LITTLE COMMENT. FISCAL YEAR 21, 22, A LITTLE PORTION OF THAT FISCAL YEAR, WE WILL FULLY STAFF FOR LIKE THREE, FOUR MONTHS AND WE HAD FREE FLOW. SO IF I AM TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A BASELINE TO SEE HOW OUR PROCESS PAPER BASED IS FUNCTIONING RIGHT NOW, I WOULD SAY FY 21, 22 IS A GOOD BASELINE TO SEE THAT THE WAY THAT THE PROCESS IS SET UP, IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNREALISTIC OR IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T WARRANT, UM, THE PREDICTABILITY THAT IT'S SET UP TO DO. UH, AS YOU KNOW, 2223 WAS THE YEAR WHERE WE'RE SEVERELY, SEVERELY SHORT STAFFED. SO YOU'LL SEE IN THE NUMBER IT [00:40:01] SHOWS. AND THEN TOWARDS THE END OF 23, 20, 22, 23, WHICH IS THIS YEAR, WE STARTED TO COME OUT AND CLEAR THE BACKLOG. WE'VE BEEN, UM, FULLY STAFFED IN THE ZONING TEAM FOR THE PAST YEAR. IT'S JUST THAT CLEANING UP THE BACKLOG TAKES A LITTLE BIT. SO YOU'LL SEE PROBABLY TOWARDS THE LAST OF THE SLIDES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF LIKE SEE SOME NUMBERS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MEET OUR PERFORMANCE, WHICH IS A FOUR MONTH. UM, SO ALWAYS LOOK AT FY 21, 22 AS A BASELINE, I WOULD SAY TO JUST GIVE YOU A TEST OF HOW THE PROCESS WORKS OR DOESN'T. AND THEN, UM, I SEE AN IMPROVEMENT IN 20 20 20 IN THIS LAST FISCAL YEAR, HOW WE NEED TO IMPROVE THE PROCESS, BECAUSE EVEN THE WAY IT IS SET UP RIGHT NOW DOESN'T NECESSARILY WORK VERY WELL. UM, SO, UM, ZONING ITEMS, FOR INSTANCE, HOW MANY WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE IN THIS YEAR, IN THIS FISCAL YEAR. UM, THE CASES THAT WE MOVED WERE 1 91, WHICH IS WAY MORE THAN FISCAL YEAR 21, 22 WHEN WE HAD FREE FLOW. SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT INFORMATION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AGAIN, FULLY STAFFED, MOVING THE CASES PRETTY FAST, STILL DIDN'T WARRANT US TO MOVE MORE CASES. UM, THIS IS JUST A TABLE. YOU'RE GONNA GET THIS TABLE IN THE, IN THE WRITTEN, IN THE PRINTED REPORT OR THE PDF THAT WE ARE GONNA SEND TO CITY COUNCIL. UM, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO SHOW DATA PER DEPART PER, UH, COUNCIL DISTRICT AS WELL. ACRES. YOU, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS DATA, WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE PREVIOUS YEARS AS WELL. LET'S LOOK AT MORE CHARTS, UM, CASE TYPES FOR THIS LAST YEAR. HOW MANY PDS, HOW MANY GENERAL ZONING CHANGES THIS IS PER DISTRICT. I THINK IT'S, THIS IS PROBABLY INTERESTING INFORMATION FOR YOU TO SEE. NOW LOOK AT THE COMPARISON FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS. WE, WE SEE A LITTLE BIT OF DECREASE IN PDS. UM, WE DO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF INCREASE IN DE RESTRICTIONS. SO WE DO, UM, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, GENERAL ZONING CHANGES, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, DE RESTRICTIONS, WHICH IS A GOOD INDICATOR HOW THE CODE WORKS OR DOESN'T. AGAIN, LOOK AT THE COMPARISON WITH, I WOULD SAY 21, UH, 22. YOU ASKED ME IN THE PAST ALWAYS TO MONITOR HOUSING COMPONENT AND WE ARE, BECAUSE IT'S ALSO A CITYWIDE GOAL TO THE PRODUCTION OF HOUSING. WE KNOW THAT. SO I'M TRYING, WE ALWAYS TRY TO LIKE MARK WHICH CASES AND DO SOME DATA, UM, ANALYSIS ON THAT. UM, HOW MANY CASES WITH HOUSING COMPONENT PER DISTRICT FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR NOW IN THE OTHER FISCAL YEARS IS COMPARISON. AND YOU COULD SEE LIKE EACH DISTRICT, LIKE IT HAD SOME ZONING CASES WITH HOUSING COMPONENT OR IT DIDN'T. AND I THINK THAT'S INTERESTING, UH, FOR YOUR DISTRICTS AS WELL. UM, NOW CPC OUTCOME TO HOLD, UM, THIS IS WHERE I KIND OF LIKE TRY TO STRESS ONTO PARTNERSHIP AND I THINK THIS IS A VERY GOOD INDICATOR OF THE QUALITY THAT I STARTED THE PRESENTATION WITH. UM, SO YOU CAN SEE, I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. AND WHAT JUMPS AT ME IN THIS SLIDE IS THAT 21, 22, AS I SAID, WHEN WE WERE FULLY STAFFED AND FREE FLOW, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF HOLD ON THE AGENDAS AS OPPOSED TO THIS YEAR WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO LIKE REALLY MOVE THE CASES FASTER. AND I THINK THAT'S AN INDICATION OF TRUST, UM, QUALITY OF CASE REVIEW AND STUFF THAT IS REALLY HARD TO ACTUALLY PUT A DATA ON IT. UM, LET'S LOOK AT THE COMPARISON FOR THE THREE YEARS. THIS IS ALSO VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. YOU'RE GONNA SEE WHY OR WHY'S IMPORTANT, WHY WHAT IT'S TELLING ME. AS I SAID, 21 23, 40 7% AT LEAST, I WOULD SAY WERE AROUND 47% OF THE CASES OR OF THE, UH, NO, I'M SORRY, 43% OF THE AGENDA WAS HOLD, RIGHT? THIS IS A, UH, AN AVERAGE NUMBER PER THE ENTIRE YEAR. WE TOOK THAT DOWN IN 29% THIS YEAR, WHICH I THINK, AS I SAID, I TAKE THAT AS AN INDICATION OF TRUST THAT WE HAVE OUR GOOD PARTNERSHIP AND THE QUALITY OF THE WORK THAT, UH, BOTH OF US ARE DOING. UM, ALSO THIS 64.9 PLUS, UH, 5%, THAT'S GONNA EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT OF A PERFORMANCE METRIC THAT I'M TRYING TO INTRODUCE NEXT YEAR. THIS IS ANOTHER INDICATION OF OUR PARTNERSHIP, AND THAT'S WHY I CHOOSE TO SHOW DATA LIKE THIS. AS I SAID, UM, A BIG, BIG PROBLEM THAT WE HAD IN THE ZONING TEAM WAS STAFF RETENTION, AS YOU KNOW, UM, IN AN EFFORT TO BASICALLY ALLOW STAFF THE TIME TO FOCUS ON THE QUALITY OF REVIEW AND BETTER CUSTOMER SERVICE AND, UM, FEEL SEEN, UH, WE DECIDED TO BALANCE INPUT AND OUTPUT, [00:45:01] MEANING EACH, UM, A PLANNER HAS A CAP ON HOW MANY CASES THEY CAN REVIEW AT ONE TIME. SO THAT MEANS THAT, AS I SAID, IT'S A TRUE, TRUE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN US CITY PLAN COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S VERY HARD TO ACHIEVE THE QUALITY THAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR. SO THE WAY TO MEASURE THAT IS OBVIOUSLY HOW MANY CASES ARE SUBMITTED THAT MONTH OR THAT YEAR, AND HOW MANY CASES ARE WE ABLE TO DISCARD. NOW, UM, THE CASES AT INTAKE, GIVE OR TAKE, THERE ARE SOME CASES THAT MAY BE WITHDRAWN. THERE ARE SOME CASES THAT MAY, UH, BE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF, UM, OF, UH, REQUEST. SO YOU WOULD, I WOULD APPLY LIKE A 10% AND ALSO, YOU KNOW THAT AGAIN, YOU APPLY THE FOUR MONTHS. SO THEY ARE NOT TRUE LIKE MEASURING THE SAME MONTH. LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE AN EXPECTATION THAT IN THE SAME MONTH HOW MANY CASES YOU INTAKE, THAT'S HOW MANY YOU, YOU'RE GONNA, UM, DISCARD. HOWEVER, IF YOU LOOK AT OVERALL DATA, AS I WAS SAYING, 21, 22 IS A GOOD INDICATOR. WE WERE MOVING AND CHURNING A LOT OF CASES. BUT LOOK AT 23, 20 24, WHICH IS THIS PAST YEAR WE CAME, LIKE WE WE'RE INTAKING, WE DID INTAKE 225 CASES, UM, 191, WHERE WITH THE CPC DECISION, WHICH IS VERY, VERY CLOSE TO ME. SO TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF CHART VERY CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER IS TELLING ME THAT WE DO HAVE A GOOD BALANCE INCOME, UH, INPUT AND OUTPUT. WE DO COMBINE WITH THE DATA THAT I SHOWED ON OTHER SLIDES. WE DO SHOW PARTNERSHIP, WE DO SHOW QUALITY, UH, INCREASE AS WELL. UM, MORE TIMEFRAMES, SAME TRY TO HOLD ESPECIALLY STAFF AND, UH, THE PROCESS ACCOUNTABLE. THE PROCESSES, IT SAYS, UH, UH, IT IS SET RIGHT NOW ACCOUNTABLE. UM, LET'S LOOK A LITTLE BIT OF PHASES OF PROCESS. AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE A CELL I'M HOPING IS GONNA FIX A LOT OF THAT. AND ALSO WE'RE TRYING TO FIX A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. SO THIS IS A REPRESENTATION PER DISTRICT, LET ME STOP AT EACH PHASE, SUBMITTAL TO ZRT. THAT TIMEFRAME INCLUDES HOW LONG THE CASES MAY SIT ON A SHELF TO WAIT FOR A PLANNER, WHICH DEPENDS ON THE OUTPUT OF COURSE, BUT ALSO INCLUDES THE TIME THE CASE IS, UH, IN UNDER REVIEW WITH THE PLANNER. SO IT'S NOT LIKE, OH, THAT ENTIRE BLUE CHART IS HOW IT'S SET, HOW MUCH IT'S SET ON THE SHELF. IT ALSO INCLUDES THE TIME THAT IT WAS UNDER REVIEW, FIRST ROUND OF REVIEW, ZRT TO FIRST, CPC. THIS IS USUALLY THE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN STAFF AND THE APPLICANT. SO A LOT OF THAT MAY BE THAT THE CASE WAS COMPLEX, NEEDED NUMBER, A LOT OF NUMBER OF REVIEWS. HOWEVER, KEEP IN MIND THAT THE PROCESSING FOR CPC IS ALSO LIKE THREE WEEKS, WHICH, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH IS PAPER, RIGHT? SO A LOT OF TURNING PAPER IS ADDING A LOT OF THESE THESE DAYS TO THE PROCESS. SO I SAY THAT THE, UH, ORANGE OR THE YELLOW CHART IS AN INDICATION THAT THE CASE SITS WITH THE APPLICANT OR IN REVIEWS FOR A LONG TIME. BUT IT ALSO IS AN INDICATION THAT THE PAPER KIND OF LIKE ADDS DAYS TO THE PROCESS FIRST C, PC DATE TO CITY COUNCIL. IF THAT IS BIGGER, IT MEANS THE CPC HELD IT. BUT ALSO KEEP IN MIND THE PREPARATION TO SCHEDULE A CASE AFTER CPC TO COUNCIL IS A MONTH AND A HALF AT LEAST. AND COUNCIL ALSO DOESN'T MEET IN JULY AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT SCHEDULING. SO THAT IS ALSO THE OB SKEWED BY THE PAPER PROCESS AND BY THE ALIGNMENT OF THE MEETINGS. UM, AND YOU CAN SEE OBVIOUSLY THE TOTAL TIMEFRAMES PER DISTRICT AND ALL OF THAT. AND SO WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT THIS CHART AND HOW IT FLUCTUATES, KEEP IN MIND A PART OF IT IS THE PAPER NATURE OF IT. A PART OF IT IS THE DUE PROCESS NATURE OF IT. IT IS STUCK IN PUBLIC HEARINGS, WHICH IS RIGHT BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE VETTED. AND SOME OF IT IS BECAUSE THE OUTPUT, BECAUSE IT GETS STUCK INTO THOSE, WE DON'T HAVE THE OUTPUT. SO WE CAN BALANCE THE INPUT AS WELL. NOW, UM, SHOW THE SAME TYPE OF INFORMATION, BUT FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, UM, SAME WHICH PHASE OF THE PROCESS TO LONG, WHAT I INTRODUCED IN HERE IS THIS RED LINE. THIS RED LINE IS HOW THE PROCESS IS SET UP RIGHT NOW. THE PROCESS IS SET UP. THAT'S THE EXPECTATION THAT WE PUT OUT THERE FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE 120, 130 DAYS FROM SUBMITTAL TO CITY COUNCIL. UM, AND YOU CAN SEE EACH LINE OF THIS SHOWS HOW MUCH OF THAT IS EATEN BY DIFFERENT PHASES OF THE PROCESS. OF COURSE, WE ARE LIKE N YOU SEE PER MONTH, OF COURSE WE'RE NOT MEETING THAT PERFORMANCE. BUT LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED IN 21, 22 WHEN AGAIN, WE WERE FREE FLOW. WE DIDN'T MEET THAT PERFORMANCE EITHER. SO AGAIN, IT TELLS ME THAT IS THE EXPECTATION IS NOT [00:50:01] REALISTIC. THE PROCESS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX AND CONVOLUTED. WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO FIX THAT IN, IN SOME WAY. UM, ANOTHER, UM, IMPORTANT PART THAT I, I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT. THE WAY I LOOK AT THIS LINES, I DON'T LIKE THAT THEY DO THIS, BUT IT'S NORMAL. PROBABLY I WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLAT. SO THE FACT THAT WE DO HAVE, FOR INSTANCE, APRIL WHEN WE DO, WE DO HAVE A SPIKE TELLS ME A LITTLE BIT. I DO WANT THEM TO EITHER BE FLAT, CLOSE TO 130 DAYS OR AT LEAST TO TREND BACK, UH, DOWNWARDS, WHICH I WOULD SAY 2020, LIKE THIS PAST FISCAL CAREER KIND OF DOES. UM, AND YOU DO HAVE THE NUMBER OF DAYS THAT IT TAKES. THE REAL DAYS, AS I SAID, TAKE A BASELINE OF 21, 22 WHEN WE WERE FREE FLOW FOR LET'S SAY HALF A YEAR, WHICH IT'S STILL 185 DAYS. IT'S NOT 130 AT ALL. AND LIKE THIS YEAR WHEN I THINK WE'RE COMING OUT OF THE BACKLOG AND WE'RE WAY, WAY, UM, STARTING TO, TO OPERATE UNDER FREE, FREE FLOW, LIKE WE CUT A LOT OF THE, OF OF THE TIME, BUT STILL WE NEED TO COME TO, UM, LOWER NUMBER OF DAYS OVERALL PROCESSING TIMES. AND THIS IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. BUT KEEP IN MIND THIS IS DATA BASED ON CITY COUNCIL OUTCOME. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR ME TO SHOW YOU. UM, BECAUSE YOU SEE WHAT YOU SEE IN GREEN ARE THE CASES THAT WERE IN THE EXPECTED TIMEFRAME. I PUT THE EXPECTED TIMEFRAME AT FOUR, SIX MONTHS JUST BECAUSE AS I SAID, COUNCIL AND CPC DAYS DON'T ALWAYS ALIGN. SO SOMETIMES I WOULD SAY, OKAY, SIX MONTHS IT'S STILL REASONABLE, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT. BUT I'M TRYING TO, UH, TO BE A LITTLE BIT REALISTIC IN THE WAY THE, THE, THE PAPER PROCESS IS SET UP RIGHT NOW. SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, WE HAD ALL 20 THROUGH 22 PAST FISCAL YEAR, IT WAS ALL AT ZERO. WE WERE N NEVER ABLE TO MEET THE PER THE, THE PERFORMANCE OR THE EXPECTED TIMEFRAME WITH ANY OF THE CASES BECAUSE OF THE BACKLOG AND SHORT STAFFING. THE FACT THAT WE STARTED WITH SHORT STAFFING AT THE MID-YEAR OR BEGINNING OF YEAR OF 22, 20, 21, 22. AND ONLY NOW AFTER TWO AND A HALF OR THREE YEARS, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THE DAYLIGHT. IT TELLS ME A LOT ABOUT WHAT LOSING STAFF ACTUALLY DOES TO THE PROCESS. SO THAT AGAIN TELLS ME THAT WHENEVER WE'RE LOSING ONE, TWO PEOPLE, IT'S GONNA HIT AND THIS NUMBERS ARE GONNA SHOW THAT. SO, UM, I LOVE THAT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE, YOU SEE IN AUGUST WE WERE LIKE ALMOST PROBABLY AT 40% OF THE CASES WERE IN THE TIMEFRAME. SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, THEY'RE GONNA SHOW EVEN BETTER. THE FACT THAT I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A GREEN CHART IN HERE. IT'S VERY HELPFUL TO ME. UM, TO THE NEXT SLIDE I'M GONNA EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT, PROBABLY IS NOT REALISTIC TO HAVE AN EXPECTATION THAT 80 OR 90 OR A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE CASES ARE GONNA HIT THE 130 MARK BECAUSE IT IS A DISCRETIONARY PROCESS THAT INVOLVES PUBLIC HEARINGS. UM, OTHER INITIATIVES. SO THIS IS WITH THE DATA. I'M GONNA SLIDE PRETTY FAST THROUGH WHAT'S COMING NEXT, UM, FOR DALLAS, UH, DIRECTOR LEE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT. WE DID SOME CODE AMENDMENTS. IT'S, WE ARE GONNA DO WAY MORE OBVIOUSLY. UM, THIS COMING YEAR, UM, PARKING REFORM IS COMING, UM, TO A BRIEFING. NEXT, UH, HEARING WE DID AUTHORIZED HEARINGS AND, UH, CONSERVATION DISTRICT GONNA HAVE ANOTHER CONSERVATION DISTRICT COMING, UH, NEXT HEARING AS WELL. NOW, LET'S SEE GOALS. AND YOU'LL SEE THIS RED ASTERISK AND I WILL EXPLAIN THOSE NUMBERS. WE ARE GONNA DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO HOLD ONTO THEM, BUT THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP WE HAVE WITH YOU. ALL THOSE NUMBERS ARE GONNA BE DEEPLY AFFECTED, IMMEDIATELY AFFECTED BY HOW LONG IT TAKES TO REVIEW IT AND GET IT READY FOR CPC AND HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GO THROUGH CPC. I PUT 65% BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING BY INERTIA THIS YEAR, WHICH WAS, I TOLD, I SHOWED YOU 65% OF THE CASES ACTUALLY WERE APPROVAL. LET'S SAY IF WE PUT EVEN THE DENIAL, IT'S A, IT'S STILL A DECISION. I IT THAT CAN INCREASE AT 70%, RIGHT? UM, ANOTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO POINT TO Y'ALL, UH, IS WE'RE TRYING, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. IT'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE LOGISTICS AND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO TAKE DOWN THE 130 DAYS TO 90 DAYS. WE HAVE AN IDEA, A LOT OF CITIES ARE DOING IT, TRYING TO NOTICE BOTH CPC AND COUNCIL ON THE SAME NOTICE. UM, BECAUSE PROBABLY AS I SAID, 65% OF THE CASES, OR 70% OF THE CASES WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA, THEY [00:55:01] ARE DISCARDED IN THE SAME MEETING. SO THEY DO HAVE A SET COUNCIL DATE, BUT AS I SAID, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE PARTNERSHIP AND IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF A LOGISTICS. SO I'M HOPING THAT BY CUTTING THAT PROCESS, THAT PAPER PUSHING BETWEEN CPC AND COUNCIL, I CAN CUT 30 DAYS, WHICH IS A MONTH, AND MAYBE WE CAN, UH, HAVE A BIG PERCENTAGE OF CASES AT THAT TIME. SUBMIT ALL THE TO ZRT, WE SAID MAXIMUM 20 DAYS, WHICH IS WHAT IT SAID ANYWAY. UH, IT INCLUDES, UM, THE REVIEW OF THE PLANNERS SUBMIT ALL TO CPC 60 DAYS. LET'S HOPE WE CAN GET OR WE CAN GET THERE BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST YEAR. FOCUS ON THE PRE-APPLICATION PART OF THE PROCESS. WE ALREADY STARTED TO DO THAT. UM, ALL HANDS ON DECK APPROACH TO ZONING REVIEW, WHICH GOES INTO WHAT EMILY, DIRECTOR LOU WAS SAYING REGARDING, UM, INTERNAL STREAMLINING AND BETTER COMMUNICATION AND, UH, UH, COLLABORATION AND THE COURSE CONCIERGE TYPE APPROACH FOR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING JUST ABOUT ZONING REVIEW BECAUSE IT'S WHAT WE DO RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE A CONCIERGE APPROACH. YOU DO HAVE A CASE PLANNER AND THE CASE PLANNER, UH, IS ACTUALLY THE MANAGER OF THE CASE FROM A SUBMITTAL TO CITY COUNCIL. WE WANNA INCREASE THAT TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF APPROACH FOR THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, ESPECIALLY FOR THE CASES THAT ARE MOVING FAST AND THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONVOLUTED. UM, IT'S IN THE WORKS. WE ARE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE MIGRATING AND WE'RE DOING IT A LITTLE BIT OF AD HOC. UH, MICHAEL PEPPI AND JENNIFER ALGER ARE DOING IT WITH THE TODS, FOR INSTANCE, UH, PRIORITIES. AS I SAID, THE DOUBLE NOTICING IS WHAT, JUST WHAT I EXPLAINED, THE DIGITAL SUBMITTAL OPTION. WE'RE SETTING IT UP. AND THAT'S IN PREPARATION OF ACELA. UH, THE LAUNCH OF ACELA IS SET FOR THIS COMING SUMMER. SO PLEASE, UM, IF YOU TALK TO YOUR COMMUNITY, YOUR APPLICANTS, AND IT'S THE SAME WITH US, IT IS A BIG DEAL FOR US MOVING FROM PAPER STRAIGHT TO AN AUTOMATED PLATFORM. PLEASE DO SHOW KINDNESS. WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE TRYING. WE PUSH THAT LAUNCH DATE AS MUCH AS WE CAN. WE'RE TESTING RIGHT NOW. WE ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO TEST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A SMOOTH LAUNCH. I'M HOPING WE'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO BE LIKE A HUNDRED PERCENT SUCCESS. BUT WE DO NEED YOUR PARTNERSHIP AND KINDNESS AND THE APPLICANT'S PARTNERSHIP AND KINDNESS AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS A SUCCESS. BECAUSE AS WE KNOW, MOVING FROM PAPER TO ANY KIND OF DIGITAL MAY HAVE ALSO A LITTLE BIT OF HICCUPS. UM, THE DIGITIZATION OF THE ENTIRE ZONING ARCHIVE AND MAKING IT POSSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. I KNOW I'VE BEEN TELLING YOU THIS FOR THREE YEARS. I'M SO THANKFUL OF DIRECTOR, UH, DIRECTOR LOU. FINALLY, WE DO HAVE THE RESOURCES, MONEY AND PEOPLE ALLOCATED TO THAT. SO I WILL SAY AGAIN, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE FINALLY WE HAVE A PATH FORWARD. UM, THE REALIGNMENT AND EVERYTHING, IT'S, YOU ALREADY HEARD THIS FROM EMILY AND MYSELF A FEW TIMES. WE'VE TAKEN SOME STEPS, YOU KNOW, UM, SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE SUCCESSES AND THE, THE STEPS THAT I'VE TAKEN BECAUSE YOU STILL SEE THE NUMBERS. IT STILL TAKES ME TO 150 DAYS TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. HOWEVER, WE HAVE TAKEN, UH, A LOT OF STEPS AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO TAKE SMALLER BIG ONES. I THINK WE HAVE A BETTER PARTNERSHIP AS WELL. UH, AND WE ARE GONNA CONTINUE ON THIS, UH, GOALS FOR THE CODE REFORM. UM, THE WAY WE ARE GONNA APPROACH IT IS TO WORK VERY CLOSE WITH FOR DALLAS. SO BETWEEN ME AND ANDREA AND OBVIOUSLY THE TEAMS, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE SEEN IN THE WAY WE'RE GONNA SET THE STRATEGY, HOW WE'RE GONNA DELIVER THE CODE REFORM. UM, WE ARE SHOOTING TO DELIVER PHASES OF CODE AMENDMENTS PER YEAR. UM, AND THE REDUCE THE NEED FOR REZONING IS WHAT DIRECTOR LOU WAS SAYING. LIKE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CREATE A CODE THAT WORKS. I AM VERY, VERY, UH, DETAILED. I HAVE A VERY DETAILED, UM, DETAILED FOCUSED APPROACH. AND I DO HAVE, UH, UM, A METRIC ON THE REDUCTION OF APPLICATIONS FOR ZONING THAT WE GET BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO SEE IF THAT DECREASES AS A RESULT OF A GOOD CODE. AND OBVIOUSLY IF WE DIDN'T DO CODE AMENDMENTS, I DON'T SEE A DECREASE IN THOSE APPLICATIONS. SO IT'S JUST THE MARKET. BUT THAT'S A METRIC THAT I WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR. IDEALLY, IF YOU HAVE A GOOD CODE, YOU DON'T HAVE A NEED, RIGHT? FOR REZONE BECAUSE YOU ALIGN THE THE MARKET NEEDS WITH, WITH THE CODE. SO THAT'S A METRIC THAT I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO MONITOR. THIS IS NOTHING TO SHOW RIGHT NOW. IT'S ZERO. UM, FIRST QUARTER OF THE 2025. WE WANNA, WE WANNA CONTINUE TO CREATE THE BRAND. WE, WE ARE WORKING TO LAUNCH A WEBSITE. SO FIRST THINGS FIRST, WE GONNA LAUNCH A WEBSITE. SO YOU HAVE, IF THE PUBLIC HAS DIRECT ACCESS TO ALL THE INFORMATION, ALL THE STEPS WE GONNA CREATE, UM, UM, AN ENGAGEMENT FRAMEWORK [01:00:01] AND REFINE IT WITH COMMUNITY INPUT. WE WANNA DO THE CODE REFORM TOGETHER WITH YOU ALL IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THE FIRST THING THAT WE WANNA LAUNCH IS A DIAGNOSIS OF THE CURRENT CODE. UH, THE, OUR CONSULTANT IS ALREADY WORKING ON THAT, BUT WE WANNA HAVE THE WEBSITE FIRST AND AN ENGAGEMENT STRATEGY BEFORE WE START, LIKE BRINGING IN FRONT OF YOU THE DIAGNOSIS, WHICH MEANS WHAT WORKS AND DOESN'T WORK RIGHT NOW. UM, AND THEN IN THE PHASING, AS I SAID, PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS FOR REZONING. WE PROBABLY ARE GONNA NEED TO LIKE, TWEAK A LITTLE BIT THE CODE TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT DOUBLE NOTICING CPC AND COUNCIL WORKS. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODS, UH, HOW TO PRESERVE COMMUNITIES AND NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEN ALL THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE PIECE, THOSE ARE GONNA FOR SURE BE AT THE FOREFRONT. PARKING IS HAPPENING ANYWAY. UM, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, WE ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO DUMP A LOT OF DATA INTO THE GS INTAKE LOG. I THINK IT'S WAY BETTER RIGHT NOW. UM, AS I SAID ON OUR MAIN WEBPAGE, ALL OF THESE DIGITAL APPLICATION FORMS, ZONING MAP, ZONING, INTAKE, LOG ZONING CASES, MAP, THEY ARE EMBEDDED TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU AND THE PUBLIC TO ACCESS IT. I JUST DID A LITTLE PRINT SCREEN OF THIS. IF YOU GO ONTO OUR ZONING CHANGES WEB WEBPAGE, YOU CAN ACCESS THIS MAP. FOR INSTANCE. WE ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO PUMP DATA INTO THE SOFTWARE THAT, UM, SHOWS THIS MAP TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, IT'S ALWAYS UP TO DATE. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS, WE WERE ALSO SHORT STAFFED. NOW WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO THAT. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE TO, UH, LET ME GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, COMMISSIONERS QUESTION QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER HOUSE. SORRY, PLEASE. GOT A COUPLE OF COMPLIMENTS AND THEN A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM, I'D CERTAINLY COMPLIMENT THE SERVICE FIRST PHILOSOPHY THAT, UM, MS. LOU IDENTIFIED EARLIER IN THE, IN THE PRESENTATION. YOU KNOW, AS THE LARGEST CITY IN NORTH TEXAS, WE JUST, WE NEED TO BE EXEMPLARY IN EVERYTHING WE DO AND SORT OF REESTABLISH OURSELVES AS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WANNA DO BUSINESS. AND SO COMPLIMENT YOU ON THAT. I'LL TELL YOU FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, UH, A PROJECT I'M WORKING ON RIGHT NOW, WE, WE HAD A Q TEAM MEETING A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND IT WAS A REALLY, REALLY GREAT EXPERIENCE. IT WAS VERY PROFESSIONAL, UH, VERY WELL ORGANIZED. UM, THERE WAS A CASE MANAGER, THERE WERE, UH, IT WAS A VIRTUAL MEETING. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF US ON THE DESIGN AND CLIENT SIDE. THERE WERE, I SUPPOSE A DOZEN FROM CITY OF DALLAS. AND IT WAS JUST, IT WAS A REALLY GOOD EXPERIENCE. I JUST WANTED TO PASS THAT ALONG. UM, I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE 112 DAYS FOR A PERMIT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BUILDING PERMIT THERE, IS THAT CORRECT? IT IS COMMERCIAL PERMIT. IT IS A MEDIUM. MEDIUM MEANING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE, RIGHT? AND THAT'S JUST FOR THAT ONE MONTH WE SEE DOWN. WE WE'RE HOPING TO SEE THE TREND CONTINUE, BUT THAT IT'S A MEDIUM DAYS IS ACTUALLY A, IT IS NOT THE ENTIRE COMMERCIAL. THAT'S WHY I SEE IT'S, IT'S LIKE, UM, THE WAY THEY QUERY THE DATA IS, BUT IT'S CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE, THE MONTH. UH, IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE, IT IS SAMPLING PRETTY MUCH. OKAY. WHAT, DO YOU KNOW HOW THAT COMPARES TO OTHER CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY OF OUR SIZE? IT DEPENDS. SOME CITY, I TELL YOU THE WORST ONE I JUST HEARD A MONTH AGO FROM THE PLANNING DIRECTOR FROM DENVER , I DON'T KNOW WHETHER HE, HE, HE'S A NEW DIRECTOR. THEY ARE GOING TO HOPEFULLY REORGANIZE THE DEPARTMENT. HE THE WORST ONE. THAT'S THE WORST ONE I EVER HEARD. HE SAID TOOK 13 YEARS. I DUNNO, AND THE BEST ONE, MY GOOD FRIEND IN MEMPHIS IS TWO WEEKS. TWO WEEKS. BUT IT TOOK HIM FIVE YEAR TO GET THERE. THEY TOTALLY REALIGNED, UH, TWO WEEKS A COMMERCIAL PERMIT. I'M NOT ADVERTISING FOR THEM, BUT , YOU KNOW, I HEAR THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDERS AND CONTRACTORS TALK ABOUT A DAY WHERE THEY COULD GO DOWN AND DO THEIR SIMPLE PERMITS OVER THE COUNTER. YES. WE STILL HAVE THAT AVAILABLE IF WE, WE'VE PUT THAT BACK IN PLACE AND WE CAN DO THAT. YEAH. UH, YEAH, WE, WE HAVE THE SAME DAY, UH, PERMITTING. UH, WE STILL HAVE THAT AVAILABLE. THEY COME IN AND GET THE PERMIT THE SAME DAY. UM, FOR WE ARE SIMPLE RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL SIDE. UH, OVER THE YEAR WE HAVE STREAMLINED QUITE A BIT. UM, SO RIGHT NOW IS AVERAGE ABOUT MEDIUM IS ABOUT, USED TO BE LIKE 60 SOME DAY NOW IS ABOUT SEVEN, EIGHT DAYS RESIDENTIAL, UH, PERMITS, RESIDENTIAL INCREASE, SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEX ONLY. ANYTHING ABOUT THAT APARTMENTS DO WILL CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL. OKAY, THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE I, I MAY KNOW SOMEONE WHO WAS ADVISED BY A BUILDER TO NOT PERMIT THE PROJECT. SO, UM, WE'LL, UH, THAT WAS JUST, JUST A HEARSAY. UM, [01:05:02] ON THE TECHNOLOGY SIDE, YOU MENTIONED A NEW SOFTWARE PLATFORM THAT YOU'RE IMPLEMENTING. YES. ELA. OKAY. NEXT SUMMER IS A GOAL TO, TO LAUNCH THAT. OKAY. OKAY. UM, AND YOU TALKED ABOUT NEEDING TO GO BACK AND ENTER OLD DATA. IS THAT REALLY NECESSARY? CAN YOU JUST IMPLEMENT THE TECHNOLOGY AND MOVE FORWARD AND THEN CATCH UP ON DIGITIZING OLD DATA LATER? WE ARE DEFINITELY, PRIORITY IS MOVING FORWARD TO SUBMIT THE PLANS IN DIGITAL FORMS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS. THAT'S THE GOAL. AT THE SAME TIME, UM, IT'S A SECONDARY PRIORITY IS GOING BACKWARDS BECAUSE LOTS OF TIME, UM, IT'S NOT AVAILABLE ONLINE. IT'S REALLY MAKE IT EASIER, BUT IT'S A SEPARATE, SEPARATE GROUP. PEOPLE. WE HAVE ARCHIVE PEOPLE FOCUSED ON THIS. WE HAVE SOME CAPACITY THERE. WE GOT SOME, A LITTLE BIT BUDGET. UH, SO IN OTHER CITY, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CITY I USED TO WORK TO, UH, AT, UM, IT'S VERY HELPFUL. UH, SO WE DID TWO WAYS. WE INTER IMPLEMENT A SELLER, UM, YOU KNOW, SEVEN 80 YEARS AGO. UH, AND THE SAME TIME PRIOR TO THAT WE DIGITIZED ALL THE ZONING CASES ALL THE WAY BACK TO 1975. AND WE DID NAMING CONVENT AND EVERYTHING IN COORDINATION WITH THIS DIGITAL SUBMITTAL. WHEN A SELLER LAUNCH, WE BASICALLY TRANSFER THOSE DATA INTO, UH, INTO ELA. AND THEN NOW IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT 1975 ZONING CASE, SOMETIME YOU DO, YOU DO A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, RIGHT? YOU DO, YOU GO BACK, IT'S RIGHT THERE DIGITALLY AVAILABLE ONLINE TO EVERYBODY. IT'S NOT OUR HIGHEST PRIORITY RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO WORK ON AS WELL. DIGITIZING THE ENTIRE FILE, THAT'S THE GOAL, BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO, UH, A LITTLE AT A TIME FOCUSING ON MOVING FORWARD. OKAY. UH, LASTLY ON UH, THE, UH, HIRING CHALLENGES. THE STAFFING CHALLENGES IS OUTSOURCING, UM, AN OPTION TO HELP IN THE SHORT TERM. WE ARE ALSO SOURCING AS WE SPEAK. UH, ONE OF THE, FOR THE ZONING, UH, I BELIEVE WE, WE HAVE A CONSULTANT, BUT THEY'RE DOING SOME SMALLER CASES RIGHT NOW. UH, THEY, THAT DEFINITELY, UH, WE ARE APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE SOMETIME IT DOES, UH, HELP US CLEAR THE, UH, BACKLOG AND THE PERMITTING SIDE. UH, WE, WE HAVE A CONSULTANT OF, UH, WITH US, UH, SAFE BUILD AS WELL. UH, AND UM, THEY, THEY OFFER EVEN, UH, A COUPLE OF INSPECTORS. UH, ONE OF THEM IS PLUMBING, AS I MENTIONED, IS BIG CHALLENGE, BUT EVEN THEY HAVE A LITTLE CHALLENGE HIRING PEOPLE, A CERTAIN TRADE. AND I, UH, TALKED TO A NONPROFIT JUST LAST WEEK TRYING TO SEE IF WE CAN START GOING, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, EVEN FURTHER TO SEE IF WE CAN HELP THEM STARTING HAVE CLASSES, TRAINING THE TRADE TO GIVE US A BUT THAT TAKE TIME, THAT TAKE A YEAR. UH, IMMEDIATE NEEDS, UH, YEAH, WE DO GO TO PRIVATE SECTOR AND ASK FOR, UH, HELP. YEAH, WE DO HAVE SOME GREAT, BUT STILL JUST NOT ENOUGH LOOK LIKE. YEAH. ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. TURN ON. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT AND INSPIRING. AND, UM, I WANTED TO CIRCLE BACK ON THE, THE QUESTION ABOUT PDS. YOU MENTIONED THAT WE'RE OVER 1100 PDS NOW AND I HEARD SOMEWHERE THAT THAT MADE UP ABOUT A QUARTER OF THE POP, QUARTER OF THE LAND MASS IN DALLAS. UH, ABOUT 20%. I LOOK AT THE MAP THE OTHER DAY. 20% OF THE LAND IN DALLAS IS PD, PD RELATED. EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE ZONING OVERHAUL, THIS IS LEGAL QUESTION, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IS THE PDS, UM, ABOUT 20%. IS THAT RIGHT? OH YES. I WANNA ADD, IT'S NOT JUST THAT IT'S A LOT OF STORY AND I NEED, I'LL, I'LL CREATE, WE'LL CREATE MAPS FOR THOSE. WE ALREADY HAVE THEM. DOWNTOWN IS PDS. UPTOWN IS PDS. SO THE AREAS THERE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE PRIME AND VERY ACTIVE IN DEVELOPMENT. THOSE ARE PDS AS WELL. VERY COMPLEX ONES AS YOU ALL KNOW. SO IS, IS THERE, WHEN WE GO INTO DO ZONING REFORM IT, IS THERE GONNA BE AN OVERRIDE OF PDS OR THE PDS GONNA TRUMP THE ZONING REFORM? OR DOES IT DEPEND ON THE SPECIFIC, UH, ASPECT OF THE PD? THIS IS A QUESTION. WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO OUR ATTORNEY BACK AND FORTH. I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY EVENTUALLY FIGURE EVEN THE CONSULTANT ON THIS PROJECT HAS SOME LEGAL TEAM TO ADVISE US. WE DON'T HAVE THE EXACT ANSWER AT THIS MOMENT, BUT HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, UH, WE CAN ADDRESS THIS SOMEHOW. UM, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT BE ALL 1100, MAYBE SOME OF THEM IS THERE, UM, IS THERE IN ANY OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN THE COUNTRY, HAVE THEY HAD ANY KIND OF SUCCESS OR PROGRAM OR PAST LAW WHERE [01:10:01] THERE'S A SUN SETTING OF ONES THAT ARE, I DON'T KNOW, OVER 20 YEARS OLD, 25, 30? YES. IN TALKS TO OUR CONSULTANT AND I DO WANNA HAVE A PRESENTATION WITH THEM AND VERY, VERY INFORMED ABOUT THIS, YES, THERE WERE MUNICIPALITIES THAT DID FIND SOLUTIONS, UM, TO ADDRESS THAT EVEN RETROACTIVELY. THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE. IT'S NOT A NEWS. UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS YET, BUT I WOULD LIKE PROBABLY TO HAVE A PRESENTATION DISCUSSION ONLY ABOUT THAT. I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION ON THE PDS. UM, OFTEN I GET APPROACHED IN MY DISTRICT WITH PEOPLE THAT WANT TO, UH, SUBMIT A ZONING APPLICATION AND THEY, THEY KNOW OF PDS AND THEY OFTEN THINK THAT'S THE GO-TO, AND I'VE HEARD THROUGH THE PROCESS, UM, THAT THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY THAT WE WANNA STEER PEOPLE OR WE WANNA STEER AWAY FROM THE DIRECTION OF JUST USING THAT AS THE FIRST GO-TO, BUT IS THERE, UM, SORT OF A 1, 2, 3 THAT I COULD SHARE WITH PEOPLE ON WHY, WHEN A PD IS APPLICABLE? 'CAUSE WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE PROBABLY YEARS, UH, BEFORE WE HAVE THE REFORM IN PLACE OR A GAME PLAN IN PLACE ON HOW TO MANAGE THE PDS. BUT WHAT, IN THE MEANTIME, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE 1, 2, 3 SORT OF TALKING POINTS THAT WE CAN SHARE WITH APPLICANTS TO SAY, THIS IS WHY WE DON'T WANT TO DO, UM, PDS OR HERE HERE'S WHEN THEY'RE APPLICABLE AND HERE'S WHEN THEY'RE NOT. UH, I KINDA HAVE A LITTLE BIT FRESH EYE LOOKING AT THE PD IN DALLAS. UM, SORRY, I'M NOT VERY MODEST, BUT AND I, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S SO LIBERAL. IN OTHER CITY, YOU NEED A MINIMUM, A MINIMUM SIZE, RIGHT? A 50 ACRE WHATEVER. I WAS TOLD WE HAVE AS LITTLE AS 5,000 SQUARE FEET AS A PD. AND THAT SHOULD NEVER MEANT TO A PD. YOU CAN, IF YOU WANNA GO REGULARLY, IT DOESN'T WORK. YOU CAN'T HAVE WAIVERS AND VARIANCE. THAT'S OKAY. BUT FOR A SMALL SITE LIKE THAT ALONG PD, IT'S KIND OF BLOWN MY MIND. I MEAN, OTHER STATE I, I WORK WITH AND, AND TALKED TO, THEY ALL HAVE A MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR PDS FOR LARGE AREAS, VERY BRAND NEW COMMUNITIES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT MAY WORK. I MEAN, I THINK EVEN AFTER THE ZONING REFORM, WE MAY STILL GET A LITTLE REQUEST HERE, BUT IT MAKES SENSE. WE MUST SET THE MINIMUM STANDARDS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE REFORM. I, YES, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. PROBABLY TO, I DON'T EVEN KNOW TO CREATE A CHECKLIST. WE WANTED TO DO THAT. IT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE IT'S SO OPEN RIGHT NOW. BUT THE WAY WE DO IT, FOR INSTANCE, IN OUR PRE-APPLICATION OR MEETINGS WITH APPLICANTS, WE'RE TELLING THEM, CAN YOU PLEASE DO A COMPARISON? SHOW US WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH YOUR BASE CODE RIGHT NOW? UM, WHAT DO YOU NEED? WHY DO YOU NEED TO CHANGE IT? IF YOU ARE TO CHANGE IT TO A BASE ZONING, WHAT WOULD WORK? AND THEN TELL US EXACTLY WHAT DOESN'T WORK. AND IF IT WARRANTS, LIKE, OKAY, IT'S SOMETHING, IT'S NOT ONE, IT'S 1, 2, 3, SOMETHING SO OUTRAGEOUS. LIKE THE FAR WILL NEVER WORK. I GET MORE UNITS SETBACKS, BUT EVEN SETBACKS, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS YOU CAN GO TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. YOU DON'T NEED LIKE TO CREATE A PD JUST FOR THINGS. YOU ALREADY HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO ESTABLISH WITH THEM ARE YOU EVEN YOU, YOU HAVE TO CONVINCE SOMEHOW THAT YOU CANNOT DEVELOP BY RIGHT, NOT BY RIGHT. IN ANY BASIS. ZONING. AND THEN WE ALWAYS TELL THE APPLICANTS. AND THAT'S I THINK WHAT THE COMMISSION DOES SO NATURALLY THAT WE FORGET BECAUSE THE PD IS SUCH A BIG EXCEPTION FROM THE RULE. WE ARE TRYING TO GET COMMUNITY BENEFITS. SO I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS YOUR NEED BECAUSE THE MARKET DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. ANYTHING THAT'S IN OUR BASE CALL RIGHT NOW. AND IF YOU ARE TO HAVE THIS BIG DEVIATION BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOUR PROJECT IS SO UNIQUE, OKAY, THEN LET US COME WITH COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT ARE SO UNIQUE DUE TO YOUR UNIQUE PROJECT. SO THAT'S WHERE WE GET INTO CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, OPEN SPACE, UM, SIDEWALKS, THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN USE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE ALWAYS, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING PDS TAKE A LONGER TIME. ANOTHER ONE THAT I WANT ALL OF ALL OF YOU BE AWARE, A PD 90% OF THE TIME COMES WITH A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS JUST THAT PERMIT. YOU CANNOT DEVELOP ANYTHING ELSE. THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND IF THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS DONE, AND WE SAY THIS ALL THE TIME, IS VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS TO KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT EASEMENT, EVERYTHING ABOUT PLAING, EVERYTHING ABOUT THE INTERNAL CONFIGURATION OF YOUR BUILDING THAT WILL CHANGE THE [01:15:01] SITE LAYOUT. YOU DO IT WITH A DEVELOPMENT PLAN HERE. YOU INVEST A LOT OF MONEY, YOU INVEST A LOT OF, UM, PROMISES INTO A PORTION OF THE PROCESS THAT IS UNKNOWN TO YOU BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ENTITLEMENTS YET. AND THEN YOU GO TO PERMITTING WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT ACTUALLY IS CHANGED AND WE SAY, SORRY, YOU CANNOT PULL A PERMIT BECAUSE YOU'RE CHANGING AND THEN YOU'RE COMING BACK. AND THEN IT CUES ALL NUMBERS. THAT'S WHERE DEVELOPERS ARE SAYING, IT TAKES ME YEARS TO DO JOB, UH, DONE IN, UH, TO DO PERMITTING IN DALLAS BECAUSE THE SECOND YOU HAVE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THAT'S IT. LIKE THAT'S IT. I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THIS IS PROBABLY, I NEED TO PUT A DATA AND WE WILL PUT A DATA MONITORING ON THAT. HOW MANY OF THE PERMITS ARE USUALLY HELD BECAUSE THEY'RE IN A PD BECAUSE THE REGULATIONS DON'T NECESSARILY MAKE SENSE WHEN YOU START TO SIGN IT OUT OR BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE WAY WE DID IT A YEAR AGO WAS NOT WHAT WE ACTUALLY INTENDED TO BUILD. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. OKAY. UM, I'LL JUST STAY ON THE TOPIC OF PDS. I DO AGREE THAT WE IN THEORY, PD SHOULD BE A CERTAIN SIZE. UM, AND I PERSONALLY WOULD RESERVE JUDGMENT UNTIL WE SEE UPDATED CODE PROVISIONS. I MEAN, I'VE SEEN WHAT OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE MORE MODERN CODES DO AND HOW THEY GET AROUND THE NECESSITY TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE PDS IN ORDER TO, TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THEIR CITIES. SO I KNOW IT'S POSSIBLE. UM, BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY TO YOU IS THIS SORT OF VISCERAL REACTION STAFF HAS TO, PDS IS NOT POPULAR WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND THE, AND THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE THERE'S A LONG HISTORY OF DISTRUST AND YOU ALL ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DELIVER A PRODUCT THAT DEMONSTRATES THAT YOU CAN CREATE THESE PROJECTS THAT DELIVER THE SAME HIGH QUALITY AND CONTROLS THAT PDS OFFER WITH A BASE CODE OR A BASE CODE PLUS OTHER TOOLS LIKE DEED RESTRICTIONS BEFORE YOU ARE GOING TO GET THE BUY-IN. YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, FROM SOME OF US SITTING HERE TODAY FROM PEOPLE IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, FROM RESIDENTS, THE REASON WE HAVE SO MANY PDS AND PD SUBDISTRICTS IS A LONG HISTORY IN THIS CITY OF, UM, LACK OF THOSE TYPE OF CONTROLS. AND SO WHEN YOU SAY I HATE PDS AND PDS ARE TERRIBLE AND WE SHOULD NEVER USE THEM, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S AN OPINION THAT IS SHARED BY A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING POLICYMAKERS. SO I JUST THINK YOU HAVE TO, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM FROM A STATISTICAL STANDPOINT, BUT THE BENEFIT OF PDS AND AND WHY PEOPLE USE THEM IS BECAUSE IT ALLOWS THEM TO CREATE VERY SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT MEET VERY SPECIFIC NEEDS IN AN AREA OR COMMUNITY. AND IT ALLOWS VERY DETAILED COMMUNITY INPUT INTO THOSE PROJECTS AND AT THE SAME TIME ALLOWS POLICY MAKERS TO GET VERY SPECIFIC THINGS AS COMMUNITY GIVEBACKS THAT OUR CURRENT CODE DOESN'T DO. AND SO UNTIL YOU START PRODUCING SOMETHING THAT SHOWS WE CAN DO THAT WITHOUT TRYING TO SQUI FIT A SQUARE PEG INTO A ROUND HOLE, YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT PUSHBACK. AND SO I WOULD JUST, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S MY, UM, 2 CENTS ON THE PDS. IN OTHER WORDS, I'M NOT SOLD YET AND I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE. UM, BUT I DO THINK IN THEORY THAT THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME LIMITATIONS ON SIZE AND, AND HOW THEY'RE USED AND CERTAINLY USING THE BASE CODE TO DO MORE OF OUR DEVELOPMENT. I MEAN, TO YOUR POINT, THE BENEFIT OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS IT FORCES THE DEVELOPER TO REALLY LOOK AT THEIR LAND AND WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO EARLY IN THE PROCESS. AND EVERYBODY KIND OF KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE SIGNING OFF ON EARLY IN THE PROCESS. THE DOWNSIDE IS JUST WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT. THEY FIND SOMETHING, UM, AN EASEMENT THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT OR SOME OTHER ASPECT OF THE LAND, WHETHER IT'S, UH, AN INFRASTRUCTURE COMPONENT THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT OR WHATEVER THAT HAS TO BE DEALT WITH AND THEN THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND GET AN AMENDMENT OR WHATEVER. I GET IT. UM, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS ON THAT. UM, QUESTIONS, UM, YOU SAID YOU WERE CONSIDERING, AND MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD YOU, SOME PROCESS WHERE YOU WOULD DECLARE PDS [01:20:01] INVALID. ARE YOU CONSIDERING JUST DOING THAT WITHOUT A PUBLIC PROCESS? 'CAUSE I, NO, I'M NOT ACTUALLY, I, I'M NOT SUGGESTING TO MAKE THEM INVALID. I THINK THERE'S STILL A DISCUSSION. I THINK IF WE REALLY HAVE TO DO SOME PDS, BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME, MAYBE AFTER THE OVERHAUL OF THE ZONING, EVERYTHING THE PD NEEDS ALREADY ACCOMMODATE THAT IN MY OPINION. UM, I MEAN THERE'S SOMETHING WITH STUDENT TALK VIEW COUNCIL YOU PROBABLY DO LIKE ALSO RIGHT. HEARING TO, YOU KNOW, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU CAN JUST AUTOMATICALLY, WE, WE DON'T KNOW THERE'S A PROCESS. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CITY ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT FACING WHAT WE ARE FACING NOW. I HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH BOSTON, WHICH IS CAN REVEL HOURS. THEY ARE IN THE SAME BOAT. LIKE THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE LEGAL RAMIFICATION RIGHT NOW. THEY, THERE'S NO CLEAR CUT ANSWER. SO I WILL CONTINUE TO TALK TO OTHER CITY WHO HAVE A LOT PD IN THE PROCESS DOING OVERHAUL AND WHAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH THAT I THINK AT THIS TIME WE'RE NOT SAYING ABSOLUTELY, WE'RE NOT SAYING JUST AUTOMATICALLY WITHOUT PUBLIC INPUT. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SAYING. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY, UH, HOW TO ADDRESS THOSE IF, IF WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE EXISTING PDS. BUT THAT'S, WE DON'T HAVE A CLEAR ANSWER ON THAT ONE. I THINK THAT'S REALLY, WELL, I I ACTUALLY THINK THERE'S VERY CLEAR ANSWER ABOUT LEGALLY WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO WITH EXISTING ZONING RIGHTS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. YEAH. BUT YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. WE, WE STILL EXPLORE THAT YEAH. IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. AND THEN ON YOUR LIST OF PRIORITIES, THE THING I DID NOT SEE ANYWHERE LISTED WAS AUTHORIZED HEARINGS. WHAT DO YOU PLAN TO DO WITH THIS? I MEAN, ARE WE EVER GONNA DO THOSE AGAIN? YEAH, THOSE ARE DEFINITELY PRIORITY. IT'S KIND, I, I CAN'T HAVE THEM ANY. SO IT IS UNDER THE IMPLEMENTATION OF FORWARD DALLAS. AND ALSO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE IT IS. IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY PART OF THE SEVEN GOALS. PART OF THAT. IT'S ONGOING AS WELL. WE HAVE AUTHOR THREAT HEARING A TEAM, ALTHOUGH THE TEAM IS LIKE AT 14 40% CAPACITY RIGHT NOW. SO WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD UP THAT TEAM. WE JUST EXPANDED THAT. UM, IT'S, IT'S ONGOING. IT'S ONGOING. UM, AS WE SPEAK ALSO, RIGHT HERE, THERE IS A BACKLOG ON THAT ONE. THERE'S A BACKLOG. THAT ONE, THERE'S BACKLOG ON OTHER THINGS. UM, BUT IT'S, IT IS PART OF THE WORK WE DO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS IS NOT SPECIFIC SAYING A CASE TYPE AUTHORIZED HEARING IS A CASE TYPE, UH, NOT LISTED, BUT IS PART OF THE WORK. WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT AUTHORIZED HEARINGS COULD BE PART OF IMPLEMENTATION OF FORWARD DALLAS, BUT THERE'S ALSO AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT AREN'T PART OF IMPLEMENTATION OF FOR DALLAS. YES. UNDERSTAND. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT A FIVE YEAR BACKLOG IN AUTHORIZED HEARINGS. IT'S, IT'S, UH, YEAH, A NUMBER OF YEARS. BUT THAT ALSO ADDRESSING GOAL NUMBER FIVE, WE'RE GONNA STREAMLINE THE PROCESS LOOKING AT ALL. SO IT IS, IT'S NOT JUST ENTER FORWARD DALLAS FORWARD DALLAS HAS ITS OWN PRIORITY. WE HAVE AN ONGOING AUTHOR THREAT HEARING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH. UH, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THAT AND HAVE A SEPARATE MEETING WITH YOU IF YOU WANT. WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD LIKE MORE DETAIL ON WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR ADDRESSING OUR BACKLOG FOR AUTHORIZED HEARINGS. WHEN ARE WE, WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET SERIOUS ABOUT DOING AUTHORIZED HEARINGS? IF WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT, LET'S STOP TELL TELLING PEOPLE THAT THEY SHOULD APPLY FOR THEM. IF WE ARE GONNA DO IT. WHAT'S THE PROCESS? HOW DO YOU GET A PLACE IN LINE WHO GETS TO CUT IN LINE? WHAT'S A REASONABLE EXPECTATION FOR GETTING 'EM DONE? THEY'VE BEEN IN A QUAGMIRE FOR YEARS. I KNOW YOU INHERITED THIS, SO I'M NOT AIMING THIS AT YOU, BUT THEY'RE IN YOUR LAP NOW AND SOMEBODY'S GOTTA TAKE ON DEALING WITH YEARS OF BACKLOG OF AUTHORIZED HEARINGS AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN MAKE YOUR LIST. AND I'M NOT HEARING THAT THERE'S ANY KIND OF CONCRETE PLAN TO DEAL WITH THEM. AND SO MAYBE THAT'S THE SUBJECT OF ANOTHER BRIEFING. BUT I, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S FRUSTRATING. IT'S FRUSTRATING FOR DEVELOPERS, IT'S FRUSTRATING FOR PEOPLE WHO COMMUNITIES ARE WAITING FOR YEARS TO EVEN START THE PROCESS. I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN. I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE A BATTLE. I AM LOOKING AT THAT ACTUALLY JUST RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK. THAT IS SOMETHING I'M WORKING WITH STAFF. AS I SAID, WE RECENTLY, UH, REASSIGNED ANOTHER STAFF TO THAT TEAM SO WE CAN BUILD OTHER CAPACITY. I AM LOOKING AT ALL THE CASES WITH STAFF AND, AND COME UP WITH LIKE A LEASE SCHEDULE IF IT'S BACKLOG IN HOW LONG. SO WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. AS I SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT AS WE SPEAK. WE ARE WORKING ON THAT VERY SUBJECT. OKAY, THANK YOU. [01:25:02] UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. MORE QUESTION PLEASE. DO YOU HAVE, UM, AN ETA ON THE POTENTIAL CONSIDERATION OF CHANGES TO THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT CODE TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF UNITS? UH, I JUST PRESENTED TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, UM, MONDAY. THIS MONDAY. MM-HMM. . UM, SO THAT'S, WE GOT A GREEN LIGHT FROM CITY COUNCIL. WE'RE GOING THERE. UH, I TOLD THEM WE'RE GONNA BRING BACK RECOMMENDATION EARLY NEXT YEAR, UH, ABOUT FOUR MONTHS PROCESS. SOME CITY TAKES A FEW YEARS, SOME TAKE, YOU KNOW, THREE MONTHS. SO I THINK FOUR MONTHS IS SOMETHING WITH, DEPENDS ON WHETHER WE NEED SOME OUTSIDE HELP OR NOT. SO WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. UH, I'M WORKING WITH, UM, A STAFF AND ALSO THERE'S A CODE BOARD. UH, WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THERE AND POTENTIALLY A, A TASK FORCE. I'M THINKING ABOUT MAYBE WE HAVE A TASK FORCE. ARCHITECTS, DEVELOPERS, PLANNERS, ENGINEER, GET TOGETHER AND LOOK AT ALTOGETHER. UM, SOME CITY, UH, DOING ONLY FOCUS ON, UM, THE NUMBER OF UNITS LIKE MEMPHIS FOR EXAMPLE. THEY, THEY PUT SIX UNITS IN THE RESIDENTIAL. SOME CITY IN NA WILL NOT ONLY LOOK AT THE UNIT, THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE SINGLE STAIRCASE. I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT BOTH BECAUSE THE SINGLE STAIRCASE, UH, IS PROBABLY GONNA REDUCE COSTS A LOT MORE. MM-HMM , WITHOUT COMPROMISING SAFETY, I NEED TO ENGAGE THE FIRE, UH, PROFESSIONALS TO BE IN INTO THE DISCUSSION. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING, UH, I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT. SO SOMETHING WE'LL BE ABLE TO HELP, UH, CITY COUNCIL AND GET RECOMMENDATION TO THEM IN ABOUT FOUR MONTHS. SO YOU THINK YOU'LL BE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL IN BY Q1? UH, NEXT YEAR, EARLY NEXT YEAR, YES. ABOUT MARCHISH, I WILL SAY, UM, UM, SOME RECOMMENDATION OF COURT IS UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO ADOPT. AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE VERY UNIQUE AND VERY FORTUNATE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO MODIFY INTERNATIONAL CODE. UH, OTHER CITY MAY NOT EVEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. SO SOMETHING IS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY. CTR POST IS DOING THAT. AUSTIN IS DOING THAT. NASHVILLE IS DOING THAT. PORTLAND, ALL THESE OTHER CITY, EVEN AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, THIS IS A HOT SUBJECT. SO WE ARE NOT LIKE BREAKING THE GROUND EVEN. WE ARE JUST TRYING TO GET SOME BEST PRACTICE, MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THE SAFETY SIDE OF THINGS. SO, UH, DEFINITELY WE'RE WORKING ON THAT AND I KNOW YOUR INTEREST IN THAT AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU, UM, THAT IN MORE DETAILS AS WELL. YEAH, NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BLAIR, I'LL FOLLOW YOU. UM, HI. I HAVE A, I THINK MAYBE A REALLY, I'M GONNA ACTUALLY PIGGYBACK ON SOMETHING THAT, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT SAID ABOUT THE, THE, UH, MECHANIZING ALL OF THE DATA THAT, THAT IS THERE, WHETHER TO START FROM DAY ONE AND MOVE FORWARD OR TO GO AND, AND GO BACK AND DO ALL OF THOSE LASTING. I KNOW, AND YOU GUYS, AND I KNOW, UM, DR. YERA IS, IS IS AWARE THAT I LIKE TO GO SEARCHING AND I HATE TO ASK WHEN I GO SEARCHING, BUT I HAVE TO, UM, TO PULL OLD DOCUMENTS. UM, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT YOU GUYS CAN START FROM, YOU KNOW, LIKE CUT, CUT, FLASH CUT, MEANING THAT YOU START TODAY, YOU MECHANIZE WITH WHATEVER YOU GET TODAY WHILE YOU'RE WORKING ON GOING BACK AND DOING THOSE OLD DOCUMENTS AND OR THIS SAY DOCUMENTS THAT ARE OLDER THAN FIVE YEARS, THEY WILL NOT BE MECHANIZED ORDER FROM FIVE YEARS FROM THIS PARTICULAR DATE WILL NOT BE MECHANIZED AND YOU WILL STILL HAVE TO GET A PAPER COPY. BUT THOSE THAT ARE FI BUT WHILE WE ARE MOVING FORWARD, WE WILL START MECHANIZING THOSE THAT ARE OLDER. THE WAY, UH, WE ARE PLANNING TO DO IS GO BACKWARDS, MEANING SAY THIS YEAR OR LAST YEAR, WE START FROM THERE AND WE GO BACKWARDS. NOT GOING LIKE 75. SO LIKE 2000, 24, 23, ALL OF THAT. IT, IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY RESOURCES WE HAVE IS IT IS A BIG ENDEAVOR. AND, UM, AND SOMETIME, UH, WE, OUR RESOURCES MAY NOT TAKE THAT FAR ALL THE WAY BACK. SO WE ARE STARTING FROM THE RECENT YEARS AND GOING BACKWARDS. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, THAT THERE ARE SOME LIKE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE ALREADY MECHANIZED. SUVS ARE NOT MECHANIZED. UM, YOU CAN GO ON THE, THE IN, YOU CAN GO ON THE ZONING INTAKE AND GET THE [01:30:01] ACTUAL APPLICATIONS IF YOU KNOW THE ZONING REQUEST NUMBER. UM, SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE, ARE MECHANIZED ALREADY AND SOME THINGS THAT ARE NOT. SO THAT IS THE ISSUE THAT WE FIND OUT IS NOT VERY CONSISTENT. EVEN ONE POLITICAL CASE, FOR EXAMPLE, PARTIALLY DIGITIZED, PARTIALLY NOT. SO ONE OF THE PROJECT WE HAVE TO DO, WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT. UH, WE NEED TO HAVE A CONSISTENT NAMING CONVENTION, GETTING THE DETAILS, AND THEN WE NEED TO LOOK AT A COMPLETE FILE, YOU KNOW, UH, HAVE A LIST. THE GOAL IS BY THE TIME WE FINISH DIGITIZING THAT SPECIFIC CASE, EVERYTHING IS COMPLETE RIGHT NOW, SOME OF THE CASES IN PAPER, THE PAR PARTIAL PART OF THE CASES IN PAPER, SOME OF THOSE IN DIGITAL. UM, SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S CONSISTENT AS WELL. SO ONE OF THE REASON WE DO DIGITIZE IS ALSO ORGANIZE THE FILE. THAT'S ONE OF THE TASKS. HAVE A CHECKLIST, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS IN THERE WHEN WE SCAN. NOT ONLY THAT, IT HAS TO BE IN A SPECIFIC ORDER. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS FILE, THE FIRST, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST PAGE IS WHAT, SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, YOU ALREADY, THE PROOF PLAN IS THE FIRST ONE LOOKING AT THE MINUTES, THERE ARE CERTAIN, UH, SEQUENCE YOU WANT TO PUT IN THERE AS WELL. SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORK. UM, I CAN ANSWER TO SAY THAT I TALK TOO. WE WE DO. THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I'M SO THANKFUL FOR DIRECTOR LOU. WE DO, WE ARE CREATING A TEAM. WE ALREADY HAVE A LEAD FOR THE DIGITIZATION. THEY ALREADY ASSURE ME THAT ACPS OUR FIRST, BECAUSE I KEEP ON SAYING THAT, THAT'S THE BIG NEED THAT WE HAVE. EVEN YOU THAT, UH, CUSTOMER'S CODE COMPLIANCE US. SO YES, S SOS ARE FIRST. WELL YEAH, 'CAUSE I KNOW CODE WOULD REALLY LOVE TO HAVE THEM, UM, ME, UH, DIGITIZE. UM, NOT TO BELABOR ANY OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD, BUT JUST REALLY QUICKLY, UM, I KNOW WITH WHEN THE WAY WE USE THE WAY I, LET ME TALK ABOUT THE WAY I SEEM TO, UM, APPRECIATE, UM, GENERAL ZONINGS AND DEED RESTRICTIONS, UM, NAMING THE WAY THAT WE USE THEM, WHETHER IT'S WHAT WE WANT OPPOSED TO WHAT WE DON'T WANT. UM, AND THEN WHEN THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE NO LONGER, UM, VALID, WHEN YOU DIGITIZE THEM, DO YOU, WOULD YOU CONSIDER PULLING THOSE THAT ARE NO LONGER VALID? SO IF I HAVE A, I HAVE A A A, UM, GENERAL ZONING CASE THAT HAD SEVERAL DEED RESTRICTIONS AND THOSE DE RESTRICTIONS ARE THEN PULLED OR NO LONGER VALID, DO YOU, WOULD YOU PULL THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS OUT OF THE DATABASE SO THAT WE THEY COULD NOT BE SEEN? YES. THAT'S HOW THE ZONING MAP WORKS. SO EVERY, EVERY ZONING UH, OUTCOME FROM CITY COUNCIL, IT'S ACCURATELY REPRESENTED ON THE MAP. SO IT'S THE SAME WITH SUVS. YOU WON'T SEE THE EXPIRED SUVS ON THE ZONING MAP, WHICH SOME COMPLAIN BECAUSE YOU NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY OF SUVS FOR A SITE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION THERE. BUT THE ZONING MAP IS ALWAYS UPDATED AFTER COUNCIL DECISION. AND JUST TO ASK, BECAUSE I ALWAYS, I STAY IN GIS CAN YOU MAKE IT EASY TO USE? YES. IT'S WITH ANDREA. YES, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. THANK YOU. BUT ANDREA GOT A PHD. SO , I HAVE TO REMIND HER THAT AVERAGE PEOPLE MAY NOT BE ABLE, UH, TO UNDERSTAND THAT. SO I, I THINK THE BEST WAY IS TO HAVE MULTIPLE, UH, ACCESS, NOT JUST GS. AND PEOPLE SAY, HEY, YOU LOOK AT THE CASE, LOOK AT THE GS, PEOPLE ASK YOU WHAT IS GS RIGHT? SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS ACCESSIBLE TO, UH, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A PLANNING BACKGROUND, WHO DON'T HAVE A, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CONSTANTLY TALKING ABOUT IN THE OFFICE AS WELL. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I'LL FOLLOW YOU. I AM GONNA GO BACK TO, TO PDS. 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY, UM, RECOGNIZABLE OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS THAT THE PLANNERS HAVE BEEN DIRECTED IN THEIR CASE REPORTS AND THEIR ANALYSIS OF, UH, THESE ZONING REQUESTS TO LOOK FOR A STRAIGHT ZONING SOLUTION. BUT IN DISTRICTS, UM, IN THE CITY THAT HAVE A LOT THAT WE'LL CALL 'EM ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE OR INJUSTICE AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF INCOMPATIBLE ADJACENCIES OR YOU HAVE INDUSTRIAL AREAS THAT ARE TRYING TO MOVE OUT [01:35:01] OF THE INDUSTRIAL QUAGMIRE INTO SOME SORT OF MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT THAT ACCOMMODATES SOME PERHAPS ACCEPT ACCEPTABLE LIGHT INDUSTRY AND SOME RESIDENTIAL, THERE IS NO STRAIGHT ZONING SOLUTION IN THE CURRENT CODE. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE, AND, AND I THINK A LOT OF THE PLANNERS AND A LOT OF THE CONSULTANTS DON'T COME FROM AREAS THAT HAVE THOSE ISSUES. SO THEY DON'T GIVE THEM THE FULL WEIGHT THAT I THINK THEY DESERVE. AND, UM, SO I, I THINK THERE STILL WILL BE SOME PDS COMING FORWARD UNLESS WE CAN GET, I MEAN, THERE'LL DEFINITELY BE PDS COMING FORWARD IN DISTRICT SIX THAT ARE CONFRONTING THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES. UN UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THERE IS A CODE AMENDMENT OR CODE REFORM THAT REALLY LOOKS HARD AT THESE SORTS OF, OF ISSUES. AND AS, UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF, UM, DISTRUST IN THESE COMMUNITIES AS TO WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO HAPPEN. AND PDS GIVE THEM AN EVEN DEVELOPMENT POINT, GIVE THEM A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CERTAINTY. SO I THINK THAT'S A, SOME NUANCE TO THE, THE PD, UM, SITUATION THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE CONSIDERED, UM, QUITE AS MUCH. UM, I WILL, UH, WOULD LIKE TO, UM, REITERATE THAT PRIORITIZING THE DIG TO DIGITIZATION OFS IS, IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR POLICE, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR CODE, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR NEIGHBORS BECAUSE WE GO TO A LOT OF TROUBLE TO, YOU KNOW, THE CODE SAYS, OKAY, IT HAS TO HAVE AN SUP, YOU HAVE TO HAVE CONDITIONS AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW THEM. BUT IF, IF ANYONE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENFORCING THE CONDITIONS CAN'T FIND WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE EASILY, THAT'S A PROBLEM. UM, SO IF, IF THAT COULD BE A MORE IMPORTANT PRIORITY AS FAR AS YOUR DIGITIZATION PROCESS, UM, THAT WOULD BE, UH, A BIG PLUS, UM, FOR, FOR MY AREA. UM, AND IF THERE IS A WAY TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE AVERAGE LAY PERSON RIGHT NOW TO FIND ZONING AND THE, THE ZONING MAP ZONE A A VERY CLEARLY, UM, READABLE, EASY TO UNDERSTAND ZONING MAP THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A TOGGLING FILTERS ON AND OFF RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT, IT, IT'S A REAL HEADACHE RIGHT NOW. IT USED TO BE VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND NOW I GET LOTS AND LOTS OF, I MEAN, I DO LOTS OF TRAINING ON HOW TO DECIPHER THIS. IT'S NOT A GOOD USE OF MY TIME FOR ANYONE ELSE'S TIME. UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. WHO, HOW DID THE 130 DAYS GET SET AS THE NORMAL TIMEFRAME FOR GETTING A CASE FROM INTAKE TO CITY COUNCIL? THAT SEEMS WILDLY OPTIMISTIC. AND HAVE WE EVER MET IT? I MEAN, WHERE WAS, WHO SETS THAT? THAT'S HOW THE, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. THAT'S HOW THE SCHEDULE THAT WE SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC IS, AND IF YOU LOOK, WE ARE ALL ALWAYS HAVE IT ON THE WEBSITE. UM, WE DO HAVE A CPC SCHEDULING, WE HAVE SUBMITTAL DATES, CRT DATES, CPC DATES AND CITY COUNCIL DATES AND DEADLINES FOR THE APPLICANTS. THAT'S THE EXPECTATION WE HAVE. MM-HMM. , I DON'T KNOW. IT WAS SET. THAT'S HOW I FOUND IT. IT'S SET BASED ON A PAPER PROCESS. THE CITY HALL, IT IN ITSELF, IT'S MIGRATING A LITTLE BIT TO AUTOMATION. UM, BUT WHERE DOES THAT, THAT STANDARD EXIST? ARE YOU SAYING IT ACTUALLY IS WRITTEN DOWN SOMEWHERE THAT THAT'S WHAT OUR EXPECTATION IS? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, UH, IF YOU GO TO THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION WEBSITE, YOU'LL SEE CPC SCHEDULE AND THAT'S WHERE IT IS. YOU KNOW, THAT COLORED TABLE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. DOES THAT SEEM REALISTIC TO YOU THAT IT'S EVER GOING TO BE MET? THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER MY SLIDE WITH FY 20 21, 22 WHEN WE WERE RIGHT. WE WERE AT 180 5 OR WHATEVER IT WAS. SO, NO, BECAUSE AS I SAID, IT'S A, IT'S A DUE PROCESS. IT'S PUBLIC, IT'S DISCRETIONARY PUBLIC HEARINGS. IT IS A GOOD BASELINE. IT IS A GOOD GUIDELINE FOR THE APPLICANTS. I CAN. UH, AND AS I SHOWED YOU ON THE LAST SLIDE, HOW IS IT, I THINK THE LAST CITY COUNCIL HEARINGS WERE LIKE, AT 40% OF THE CASES DID MEET THAT. SO IT'S DOABLE FOR A SIMPLE GENERAL ZONING CHANGE FOR A SIMPLE SUP WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH. IT IS DOABLE WITHOUT A DOUBT. RIGHT, BUT NOT AS, AS A BASELINE FOR EVERYTHING. WELL, IT MIGHT MAKE, IT MIGHT CAUSE LESS FRUSTRATION TO HAVE A DUAL BASELINE THAN FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME CERTAIN TYPES OF CASES. BECAUSE I, I MEAN THAT'S A, A COMMON QUESTION I GET ALL THE TIME IS, YOU KNOW, HOW QUICKLY AM I GONNA GET MY ZONING CASE THROUGH? CAN I DO IT IN I, NO, IT'S NOT GONNA TAKE FOUR MONTHS. IT'S GONNA TAKE SIX MONTHS, NINE MONTHS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF IT'S A COMPLEX CASE. AND, BUT ANYWAY, UM, I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE CLOSING OUT OF STALE PERMITS. CAN, CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT THAT MEANS? I MEAN, SOMEWHAT, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT KIND OF PERMITS. YOU'RE SAYING SOMEONE PULLS A PERMIT AND WHAT MAKES IT GO STALE? A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME HAS ELAPSED OR SOMEONE NEVER CALLED FOR A FINAL INSPECTION. WHAT, WHAT IS GOING ON THERE? I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PERMITTING SITE, NOT THE ZONING SITE. MM-HMM. . UM, IF IT'S MORE THAN 180 DAY RESULT, ANY ACTIVITY, [01:40:01] LIKE THERE'S NO, UH, INFORMATION OR THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DID IS THAT WE DIDN'T JUST AUTOMATICALLY, THERE'S ACTUAL ORDINANCE SAYING IF IT'S OVER 180 DAY, WE SHOULD EXPIRE. THAT WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THE LAST, UH, COUPLE MONTHS IS THAT WE CONTACT THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW? OKAY. SO THERE IS SOME KIND OF INSPECTION THAT, I MEAN, FOLLOW UP OR CONTACT. OKAY. WE, WE CONTACT 'EM FIRST AND, AND MOST OF 'EM SAY, YEAH, I'M NOT MOVING FORWARD. AND THEN THAT WE, WE JUST GO AHEAD, CLOSE THAT. SO WE DID SEND OUT EMAILS TRYING TO CONTACT THEM BEFORE WE EVEN SOME OF THOSE BEEN SITTING THERE FOR YEARS. OKAY. DOES THIS APPLY, UH, TO, UM, SAY APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY AS WELL? UH, FOR THIS IS JUST FOR PERMITTING, LIKE WHEN THEY SUBMIT A PERMIT BEFORE THEY GET A PERMIT? YES. RIGHT. WE ARE ONLY LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. IF YOU SUBMIT A PERMIT TODAY AND NOTHING, YOU KNOW, KNOW, WE GIVE YOU THE COMMENTS. MM-HMM. MAKE SOME CHANGES, NOTHING COMING BACK WITHIN 180 DAY, WE CALL IT STILL A PERMIT, EXPIRED PERMIT. WE ARE GONNA EXPIRE THAT. UH, BUT IF YOU HAVE A PERMIT, SAY A VERY COMPLEX PROJECT, YOU KEEP WORKING ON IT, WE KEEP, THAT'S STILL ACTIVE, ACTIVE PERMIT AND IT MAY TAKE A YEAR OR TWO, SOME BIGGER PROJECT DOES TAKE SOME TIME. OKAY. DO CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY FALL UNDER YOUR JURISDICTION? YES, BECAUSE ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE, ESPECIALLY WITH ILLEGAL LAND USES, IS THEY PULL A A, AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR A USE THAT'S MUCH MORE BENIGN THAN WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING. YOU KNOW, A METAL SALVAGE PLANT WILL, UH, APPLY FOR A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR A OFFICE OR AN OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE OR SOMETHING. AND MAYBE THEY OPERATE FOR, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE YEARS AND IT'S JUST ON THE BOOKS AS AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY THAT'S NEVER HAD ANY FOLLOW UP. IS THERE ANY FOLLOW UP THAT GOES ON, GOES ON THERE ONCE THEY GOT CERTIFICATE TO OCCUPY THAT THEY, THEY, THEY, UNLESS THEY HAVE OTHER, UH, CONDITIONS, THEY ARE GOOD. NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT AN APPLICATION THAT WAS PULLED, BUT IT WAS NEVER FINALIZED. OH, YOU MEAN THEY FILE A-C-C-O-A? YES. YEAH. I BELIEVE I, I'M, I HAVE TO GET BACK WITH YOU ON THERE. THERE IS A TIME, UH, AS WELL. OKAY. I'LL FOLLOW. BUT I, I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THAT. OKAY. I'LL, I'LL DO THE SAME. THEY DO SUBMIT A COA BEFORE THEY GET A COA. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. RIGHT? I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THAT. RIGHT. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. THANK YOU. YES. AND I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT WE ARE PRIORITIZE SUP FOR SCANNING. THANK YOU. SO, SO THAT'S OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY RIGHT NOW. YES. MS. RE HAS HEARD THIS REQUEST FROM ME. REPEATEDLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER HEMP, I'LL ALL YOU. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. IT WAS, UM, I THINK VERY HELPFUL TO SEE A LOT OF THE DATA POINTS AND THE INFORMATION. UM, I WAS ALSO VERY GLAD TO SEE THE NSOS AS PART OF THE IMPLEMENTATION ON OUR CODE PLANS. UM, I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING IN MY COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN AN ONGOING CHALLENGE, SO LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT DEVELOPMENT. UM, THE TWO QUESTIONS I WANTED TO, UM, MAYBE MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD THE TIMELINE A LITTLE BIT MORE. WERE ON COMMUNITY PLANNING AND IF THIS NEEDS TO BE A FOLLOW UP CONVERSATION, I'M GLAD TO DO THAT. I'D HAVE A NUMBER OF REQUESTS, UM, FROM COMMUNITY AREAS THAT, UM, WERE SEARCHING FOR THAT, WHERE THEY'VE GOT AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT. I COULD JUST GET THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, AND IMPLEMENT THAT, BUT JUST TO BE ABLE TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE COMMUNITY ON THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. DID, DID YOU CATCH THAT COMM COMMISSIONER HAMPTON THAT YES. YOUR VOICE WAS COMING. THE THE MIC WAS COMING ON AND OFF. UM, DO YOU WANT TO MAYBE TEXT ME YOUR QUESTION? I'M HAPPY TO READ IT, OR, OR IF YOU CAN TRY TO REPEAT IT AND I CAN FOLLOW UP. IT WAS JUST A QUESTION ABOUT COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THE FORT DALLAS PROCESS AND WHEN THOSE ARE PLANNED TO BE SCHEDULED. COMMUNITY PLANNING. YES, GO AHEAD. UH, SORRY. YES, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. SO THAT'S ALSO, UH, ONE OF THE FOUR DALLAS IMPLEMENTATION. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FOCUS AREAS AND A LOT OF THAT, UH, YEAH, WE DO HAVE A TEAM IS WITH ANDREA GILLIS, COMMUNITY PLANNING WITH PATRICK BLADES. UM, AND THEY ARE PLANNING TO PICK UP ON THAT. SO YEAH, THAT PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, I WON'T NECESSARILY VOLUNTEER, BUT IT'S A GOOD CONVERSATION TO HAVE WITH ANDREA AND WE WILL LET HER KNOW. OKAY. AND I'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT. AND JUST ONE OTHER COMMENT. I THINK WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT PDS A LOT. UM, BUT ONE THING I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL AS STAFF IS LOOKING AT THIS IS PARTICULARLY, UM, THROUGHOUT DISTRICT TWO, WE HAVE A LOT OF WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED OLDER PDS THAT WERE DEVELOPED DIRECTLY WITH PLANNING STAFF [01:45:01] AND THAT HAVE BEEN RELIED ON, UM, FOR STABILIZING COMMUNITIES, MANAGING GROWTH AND NEW COMMUNITIES. LOT OF AREAS THAT ARE A LOT OF DISPLACEMENT . AND GENERALLY, I THINK BEING MINDFUL OF SOME OF THE HIGHER PLANNING EFFORTS AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY, UM, WOULD BE, I THINK, HELPFUL AS WE'RE, UM, TALKING TO COMMUNITIES AND WE SEE WHERE THOSE DISCUSSIONS GO. SO LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING MORE ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER FORSYTH. UH, DIRECTOR LU, I WAS PLEASED TO, UM, THAT YOU HAD PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION THAT YOU PLAN TO MAKE IT EASIER, YOU KNOW, FOR NEIGHBORHOODS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, APPLY FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION OVERLAY. UM, I WAS CURIOUS IF YOU COULD KIND OF MAYBE, UH, EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT WHAT YOUR GOAL IS THERE. IS IT TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT IT DOESN'T TAKE AS LONG OR IS NOT AS QUITE AS STRINGENT? AND ALSO, DOES THAT APPLY TO CONSER CONSERVATION DISTRICTS AS WELL? YES. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT. OKAY. UH, YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF THE IMPLEMENTATION FOR DALLAS. REMEMBER, ONE OF THE BIG RECOMMENDATIONS WAS, UH, FIND ADEQUATE TOOLS TO PROTECT NEIGHBORHOODS. UM, YEAH, WE ARE GONNA COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT'S PART OF WHY, FOR DALLAS IMPLEMENTATION OF FOR DALLAS IS PHASE ONE OF THE CODE REFORM, RIGHT? UM, I WILL JUST TELL YOU THAT STAFF IS ALREADY WORKING TO LOOK AT THE NSOS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE A TOOL THAT IS MORE USABLE. THE BARRIER TO ENTRY INTO NSOS RIGHT NOW FOR NEIGHBORHOODS IS PRETTY HIGH AND THEY'RE PRETTY HARD TO USE. SO STAFF IS, UH, WE ALREADY HAVE AN OPEN CODE AMENDMENT BY OUR OWN DOING BECAUSE WE FELT THAT WE NEED TO DO THAT. UM, AND I THINK WE ARE GONNA LOOK AT MORE TOOLS FOR PRESERVATION. IT IS NOT JUST, YES, YOU ARE, RIGHT? LIKE, LET'S LOOK, DO WE NEED TO CHANGE A BARRIER TO ENTRY OR WHAT CONSERVATION DISTRICT DO? UM, DO WE NEED TO FIND WAYS TO, AND I HAD LIKE A SLIDE ON THAT, UM, DESIGN STANDARDS OR PATTERN BOOKS OR STUFF LIKE THAT FOR SELECTED NEIGHBORHOODS OR FOCUS AREAS. AND I WOULD, AND THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME, I WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT REGARDING COMMISSIONER CARPENTERS COMMENT REGARDING ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE. YES, I WILL SAY SAME. THAT'S WHY IMPLEMENTATION OF FOR DIALYSIS PHASE ONE OF THE CODE REFORM. BECAUSE IF ANDREA'S TEAM IS GONNA FOCUS ON THE AREAS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND SOME OF THEM NEED TO BE, UH, LIGHTER SERVICES, THERE ARE NOT SO NOXIOUS AND WE DON'T HAVE A ZONING DISTRICT FOR THAT. WE NEED TO HAVE THAT AS A CODE REFORM RIGHT NOW. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. YOU ARE SPOT ON. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. BOTH OF THESE ARE, UH, AT THE FOREFRONT OF THE CODE REFORM AS WELL. COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I'LL BE QUICK JUST TO, UM, LEAN ON THE PDS AGAIN AND TALK ABOUT TRUST. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I REVIEWED IT THOROUGHLY OVER THE LAST COUPLE DAYS AND, UM, THERE'S A LOT THERE. UM, IT'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND YOU GUYS SEEM TO HAVE A PLAN FOR IT. UM, AS YOU MOVE FORWARD, AS WE TALK ABOUT PDS, THE PDS I'VE NOTICED IN MY DISTRICT HAVE ROOM FOR MANIPULATION A LOT. UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE LOSE TRUST, RIGHT? UM, AND THESE ARE MORE RECENT PDS. I THINK THE OLDER PDS MAYBE HAVE BEEN MORE RESTRICTIVE. UM, BUT IF WE SIT WITH A NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT A PD AND WE SAY THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR A SMALL SCALE PROJECT, AND THEN THE DEVELOPER COMES IN AND PUTS A LARGE SCALE PROJECT THERE, AND THERE'S ROOM FOR THAT. WHAT DID WE, HOW DID WE FAIL THE CITIZENS, RIGHT? SO AS WE TALK ABOUT TRUST AND LOOKING AT THE PDS AND THE CODE, UM, CONSIDER THOSE THINGS. CONSIDER THE NEIGHBORS THEMSELVES AND HOW THESE THINGS CAN BE MANIPULATED. RULES WILL ALWAYS BE BROKEN. THERE ARE WAYS PEOPLE WILL FIND WAYS TO BREAK THEM. I UNDERSTAND. UM, BUT IF WE CAN BE MORE COGNIZANT OF, UM, THOSE TYPES OF PROTECTIONS WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND, AND PRO AND, UM, PDS WON'T BE MANIPULATED, UM, I'D APPRECIATE THAT. BUT THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE WORK. THANK YOU. UM, I GUESS I'M JUST, THAT'S TRUMAN, PLEASE. YEAH, VERY QUICKLY, THANK YOU BOTH. THIS WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION. I REALLY LIKED THE FORMAT THIS YEAR AS THE, THE SLIDE DECK. VERY EASY TO DIGEST. UM, JUST TWO QUICK COMMENTS. I WANTED TO ECHO COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S, UM, COMMENTS ABOUT AUTHORIZED HEARING. IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET AN UPDATE OR PERIODIC UPDATES ON WHERE THINGS ARE. YOU KNOW, I CAN REMEMBER, MAYBE IT WAS TOWARDS THE END OF THE PIER CHACO ERA. I THINK THAT WAS THE LAST TIME WE GOT AN UPDATE ON, ON SORT OF THE PRIORITIZATION PROCESS. SO REITERATING THAT FOR US TOO WOULD BE FANTASTIC, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE KIND OF OUT OF SIGHT OUTTA MIND FOR ME, BUT KEEPING US UP TO DATE ON THOSE WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL. [01:50:01] UM, THE OTHER THING I'LL ADD IS THAT AS Y'ALL SORT OF REWORK YOUR PROCESSES TO MAKE THINGS MORE EFFICIENT, IF THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN PARTNER WITH Y'ALL THERE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN I TAKE OVER A, A ZONING DISTRICT AND THERE'S A VACANCY, I, YOU KNOW, SEE THE CASES FROM DAY ONE. SO IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO BETTER PARTNER WITH Y'ALL, YOU KNOW, BEFORE ZRT OR THINGS LIKE THAT, SO IT'S A SMOOTH RIDE, PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO LET US KNOW. I THINK WE'VE GIVEN YOU PLENTY OF FEEDBACK AND I KNOW I'M ALWAYS APPRECIATIVE OF FEEDBACK ABOUT HOW I WORK CASES AS WELL. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. AND I, AS I MENTIONED, DEFINITELY OUR THREAT HEARING, OUR, I CAN COME BACK, UH, WITH, WITH AT ANOTHER TIME AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROGRAM. YOU KNOW, HOW MANY WE HAVE, HOW MANY INDUSTRY, UH, PIPELINE, AND THEN WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME ON THOSE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING, UH, WE CAN DEFINITELY, I I, I'M LOOKING AT THAT AS WE SPEAK NOW. UH, I JUST DIDN'T HAVE THAT TODAY, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING ON. UM, I'M GLAD YOU COMMENT ABOUT THE FORMAT. WE ARE CHANGING THE FORMAT OF THE ANNUAL REPORT FOR ALL BOARDS, SO IT'S CONSISTENT. AS I MENTIONED, I JUST PRESENTED TO BOARD ADJUSTMENT LAST WEEK THIS WEEK. IT'S FOR THIS ONE. ALSO HAVE OTHER BOARD. WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT INSTEAD OF WAITING TILL JANUARY, BECAUSE THE DATA WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FISCAL YEAR IS SEPTEMBER 30, IS THE LAST DAY OF THE DATA INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR JANUARY. AND I DID TALK TO, UH, CHAIR WHETHER WE CAN COME HERE A LITTLE BIT EARLY BECAUSE WE ARE ALREADY 40 DAY INTO THE NEW FISCAL YEAR. I WANT TO PRESENT THIS A LITTLE BIT SOONER WITH YOU, GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU IF I NEED TO ADJUST SOME OF THE GOALS AND THE THINGS. IT'S EASIER TO BE AT THE BEGINNING. SO MOVING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE YEARS, WE'RE GONNA COME BACK A LITTLE BIT SOONER, PROBABLY SOMETIME IN LIKE EARLY NOVEMBER OR LATE OCTOBER EVEN TO GIVE YOU THIS PRESENTATION. AND THEN IF YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK, UH, WE CAN INCLUDE IN THE WRITTEN REPORT, WHICH IS DUE TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE SOMETIME IN FEBRUARY. BUT I WANT TO GET THIS IN FRONT OF YOU A LITTLE BIT SOONER. UM, SO TO GET SOME FEEDBACK AND JUST GET THE DATA IN FRONT OF YOU AS THEY, AS WE MOVE BECAUSE, UH, OTHERWISE BY THE TIME JANUARY OR FEBRUARY, THE DATE ALREADY OUTDATED. THAT'S GREAT. I REMEMBER SOME LAST MINUTE SCRAMBLES ON PREVIOUS YEARS ON THOSE REPORTS. SO GREAT JOB THERE. I'M GLAD YOU LIKE IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, ALSO I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR, FOR SUCH A ROBUST REPORT. UH, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, OF ALL THE ONES THAT I'VE SEEN, THIS IS, THIS IS CLEARLY THE BEST SO FAR. UH, IT SPEAKS TO MY LANGUAGE. I LOVE TO SEE CHARTS AND COMPARISONS AND, AND BASELINES, UH, AND ALL VERY GOOD QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. AND THE, THE ONE I'D JUST LIKE TO MENTION, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M FREQUENTLY ASKED ABOUT THE TIMEFRAME, AND I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS ANALYSIS, THE, THE THEME THROUGHOUT IS ABOUT STAFFING AND RESOURCES. UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETIME BACK I JUST GOT CURIOUS ABOUT, UH, THE SIZE OF THE DEPARTMENT, THE SIZE OF THE BUDGET. SO I DID A LITTLE ANALYSIS COMPARING THE CITY OF DALLAS WITH THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES. UH, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD ABOUT THIS. UM, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES HAS A BUDGET OF ABOUT $80 MILLION. I THINK THE BUDGET FOR THIS DEPARTMENT IS PROBABLY LESS THAN 15. UH, IT'S 67. MANY DOLLARS 67, YES. OKAY. THE ANALYSIS ONLINE IS MUCH LESS THAN THAT. UH, I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT JUST ONE DEPARTMENT AT A TIME. YES. BUT NOW A COMBINED IS 67 THE COMBINED DEPARTMENT. OKAY. YES. UM, AND, UH, UH, I BELIEVE SOME OF THE ANALYSIS OF COMPARISONS OF THE NUMBERS IS, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF, OF DALLAS, UH, ROUGHLY 380 SQUARE MILES. CITY OF LOS ANGELES, MAYBE 30% MORE IN POPULATION, 1.3 MILLION VERSUS 3.5. CITY OF LOS ANGELES, ABOUT ONE AND A HALF TIMES LARGER. AND WHEN YOU DEFINE THE NUMBER OF PLANNERS, THIS DEPARTMENT IS ABOUT A HUNDRED OR SO. CITY OF LOS ANGELES IS ABOUT 450, EVEN THOUGH THE CITY OF DALLAS IS GROWING AT TWICE THE RATE THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES. SO, YOU KNOW, UH, WE DO TALK A LOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SPEED OF THE THING. YOU KNOW, THE WAY THE, THE PROCESS, MAYBE IT'S TAKING A LITTLE TOO LONG. PART OF THE ANSWER, I THINK IS, IS NOT STAFFING AND RESOURCES. IS IT NOT? UM, THAT'S SOMETHING I'M REALLOCATING THE RESOURCES RIGHT NOW. UM, SOMETIME WE FEEL LIKE IT'S MORE NEEDED. ANDREA, I TOLD ANDREA WHATEVER YOU NEED, SO I GAVE HER, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE FUNDING TO DO IS, YOU KNOW, I'M ALSO PLANNING TO REALLOCATE SOME PLAN A ION TO HER TEAM. SO WE ARE DOING THAT. THERE ARE SOME PETITIONS OR I PRIORITIZE SOME OF THE PRIORITIZE, UH, WORK, AND I DO ALLOCATE RESOURCES TO THAT. UH, AND NEXT BUDGET YEAR, I'M GONNA LOOK AT IT AGAIN, WHETHER WE NEED TO ADD MORE. BUT THIS BETTER YEAR, I THINK THROUGH REALIGNMENT, REALLOCATION, RECLASSIFICATION PROJECTION, WE SHOULD BE [01:55:01] OKAY. BUT SOMETIME YOU DO HAVE ANCY. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD AS WELL. UH, WE DO HAVE MORE THAN 20% CIE THROUGHOUT THE, THE DEPARTMENT. WE, WHICH WE ARE ACTIVE WORKING ON, UH, WITH HELP FROM HR. SO WE ARE HOPING IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS WE'RE GOING TO FILL A LOT OF THOSE PROJECTION. AS I MENTIONED, SOME OF THE PROJECTION IS WE CAN DO TO, IS NOT THE GOOD FIT OF THE PROJECTION. WE CANNOT ATTRACT PEOPLE FROM ALL OF THE COUNTRY OF A SENIOR PLANNER, BUT WE CAN ATTRACT PEOPLE FROM MORE LIKE ENTRY LEVEL. WE SOMETIMES WE JUST HAVE TO GROW OUR OWN PLANNERS AND PROFESSIONALS. UH, SO WE ARE JUST HAVING DIFFERENT STRATEGY RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK THIS YEAR WE ARE GOOD WITH PARTITIONS. WE CAN, UM, REALIGN, REASSIGN SOME OF THE PROJECTIONS. EXCELLENT. I GUESS JUST THE LAST THING I'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, AS SOMEONE THAT LOOKS AT THIS PROCESS FROM THE OUTSIDE, OCCASIONALLY I'M A GUEST IN YOUR WORKPLACE. UH, IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN FASCINATING TO ME THAT WHEN I WATCH THE PROCESS AND IT BECOMES KIND OF THIS, THIS WAR OF, OF BUDGETING AND RESOURCES IN IT, SOMETIMES IT PULLS DOWN TO FEES AND, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW MANY FEES DO YOU GENERATE? AND THAT HAS BEEN AN INTERESTING THING FOR ME TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE, UH, NO ONE KNOWS THE, THE VALUE OF THE PRODUCT THAT FLOWS THROUGH YOUR DEPARTMENT AND THROUGH THIS BODY. UH, WHEN, IN FACT, I THINK IT'S BILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR, PROBABLY 10 TO $15 BILLION OF INCOME SIDE OF THE BALANCE SHEET FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS. UH, AND NOBODY KEEPS TRACK OF THAT. AND, UH, I WOULD CHALLENGE ALMOST ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY OF DALLAS TO, IF ANYONE IS CREATING MORE VALUE FOR THIS CITY, THEN YOUR DEPARTMENT IN THIS BODY. I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK OUR STAFF. UH, THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, VERY FEW OF THEM ARE HERE LISTENING TO THIS, BUT I WOULD SAY I HAVE VERY TALENTED STAFF AND I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THEIR WORK. THE, THE REASON I CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, BE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU TO TALK ABOUT SUCCESSES BECAUSE THE WORK THEY ARE DOING EVERY DAY, THEY'RE THE FRONT, UH, FRONTLINE EMPLOYEE. THEY MAY NOT GET OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT ANYTHING, BUT THEY ARE WORKING VERY HARD EVERY DAY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK EVERYBODY WORKING IN OUR DEPARTMENT. ALSO, UM, THE BOARD AND COMMISSION THAT WILL WORK WITH YOU AND, AND OUR OUTSIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, HELP AS WELL. THERE'S SOME CONSULTANT HELPING US. THERE'S, UM, UH, VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE WORKING WITH US AND ALSO OUR CUSTOMERS. WE HAVE ONGOING COMMUNICATION WITH THEM, SO THEY KEEP GETTING US THE FEEDBACK AND KEEP US, UH, ON THE RIGHT TRACK. SO I WOULD LIKE TO USE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THANK EVERYBODY, ESPECIALLY OUR STAFF AT PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, CHURCH DID ABOUT FOR THE COMMENT ABOUT THE ACTUAL, UM, REVENUE OR I DON'T EVEN KNOW, IMPROVEMENT OR I DON'T KNOW, UH, OF THE WORK OF THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION WITH THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND ESPECIALLY THE ZONING TEAM. UM, YES, I WILL FIND A WAY TO TRACK A LITTLE BIT OF DATA INTO THAT. I DID ASK OUR DATA ANALYTICS TO, AND I WILL SAY THIS IS AD HOC, THE BIGGEST TELL, SHOW ME THE BIGGEST PERMITS FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. I THINK IT WAS LAST YEAR. I JUST WAS CURIOUS TO FIND OUT IF THOSE BIGGER PERMIT FEES WERE ENABLED BY THIS BODY. YES, SURE ENOUGH. FIRST 10 OF THEM WERE ZONING CASES. SO I WANT THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION TO KNOW THAT. AND YOU ARE RIGHT, LIKE MOST OF THE DOCKET AND MOST OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ENABLING HERE DO COME BACK FIRST AS A REVENUE TO THIS, TO THE, TO THE CITY HALL, BUT OBVIOUSLY AS A TAX INCREASE TO THE CITY. THANK YOU. UH, UH, I THINK IT'S TWO WORDS. IT'S ADDED VALUE. AND LAST THING I'LL SAY, WE WENT INTO THE RABBIT HOLE. YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID SOME ANALYSIS WHEN WE WERE LOOKING THROUGH THE BOND AND, UH, UH, STAFF BROUGHT IN, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE CASES WHERE THEY, THEY SHOWCASED THE ADDED VALUE OF INVESTING IN A, IN A PROJECT THROUGH USING BOND DOLLARS. AND SOME OF THOSE WERE ZONING CASES THAT WE HAD SEEN THAT FLOWED RIGHT THROUGH THIS BODY IN YOUR DEPARTMENT. AND, UH, THE ADDED REVENUE TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, IN MOST CASES WAS 2, 3, 4, SOMETIMES 10 20 X. UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF ADDED VALUE, I THINK IS NOT SEEN BY MOST OF THE FOLKS, YOU KNOW, IN THE PUBLIC. THEN THAT'S ADDED VALUE. AGAIN, THAT HAPPENS THROUGH THIS PROCESS. UH, BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU BOTH. I APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE PRESENTATION COMMISSIONERS. IT'S 1140. LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK AND WE'LL GET BACK INTO THE DOCKET. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM COMMISSIONERS. IT IS 1152. WE'RE GONNA GET BACK INTO THE DOCKET [02:00:01] AND TO OUR ZONING CONSENSUS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS TWO, THREE AND FOUR. THREE AND FOUR HAVE COME OFF CONSENT, SO WE WILL HEAR EACH CASE INDIVIDUALLY BEGIN WITH CASE NUMBER TWO. UH, I THINK THERE WAS, UH, THERE WAS A CORRECTION. YEAH, THERE'S A BRIEF, BUT IT COULD BE, LET'S DO IT. YEAH. CHAIR, ARE WE READY FOR THE BRIEFING? YES, SIR, WE ARE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ONE MOMENT. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS, OH, THIS IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH 2 55. IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR AGRICULTURAL AND RETAIL USES ON A PROPERTY ZONE IN R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT LOCATED ON THE WEST LINE OF SOUTH ST. AUGUSTINE DRIVE SOUTH OF ETTE STREET, APPROXIMATELY 4.37 ACRES IN SIZE, UH, LOCATED HERE FAR SOUTHEASTERN PART OF THE CITY, KIND OF KLEBERG RILEY AREA. HERE'S AN AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE SITE. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A NARROW BUT VERY WIDE LOT AND A ZONING MAP SHOWING, SHOWING THE AREA. THE MAJORITY OF THE DIS OF THE AREA IS ZONED. R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, WITH A LARGE AMOUNT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES. THERE IS A CR DISTRICT TO THE NORTH WITH A, UH, GENERAL MERCHANDISE FOOD STORE, LESS THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET. I ALSO SAW A CO FOR A RESTAURANT THERE IN A VEHICLE ENGINE REPAIR SHOP. AND THEN TO THE SOUTHEAST, THERE'S A SMALL NSA DISTRICT WITH A GM, A GENERAL MERCHANDISE FOOD STORE, SMALLER THAN THREE 500 SQUARE FEET. THE APPLICANT DOES INTEND TO ESTABLISH, UH, QUITE, QUITE A BIT GOING ON HERE, AN ANIMAL CLINIC, A HORSE ATTACK AND FEED STORE. UH, THEY WOULD LIKE TO BOARD HORSES AND ALSO ENGAGE IN AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION. AND IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, THEY'RE REQUESTING A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT HERE. WE HAVE SITE PHOTOS SHOWING THE, UH, THE SUBJECT SITE ON SOUTH IN AUGUSTINE, LOOKING WEST, THEN LOOKING TO THE NORTHWEST TO THE NORTH AND THE NORTHEAST, THEN TO THE EAST AND SOUTHEAST AND TO THE SOUTH, AND THEN THE NORTH NORTHWEST, YES. THANK YOU. UH, HERE'S THE, UH, PROPOSED, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE SITE. UM, IT IS PRETTY HARD TO SEE AT THIS LEVEL, SO WE'LL ZOOM IN HERE. UH, THE WAY THAT THE SITE IS LAID OUT IS THAT THERE WILL BE A LAWN DRIVEWAY COMING IN FROM THE, FROM SOUTH ST. AUGUSTINE GOING PAST THE EXISTING, UH, SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE THAT IS THERE, AND THEN OPENING UP INTO THE WIDER PORTION OF THE SITE. UH, THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO HAVE A FEED STORE, UM, AND THE CLINIC THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE AS WELL AS A HAY BARN. AND THEN FURTHER BACK WILL BE THE, UH, KIND OF EQUINE THERAPY AND EQUINE CARE AREA WITH A PASTURE, UH, PADDOCKS FOR THE HORSES, UH, THERAPY POND. UH, I GUESS SORT OF, UH, KIND OF LIKE A WATER AEROBICS FOR HORSES AS WELL AS AN EQUINE RING. THEN THE TURN LANE OVER HERE ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE SITE, UH, WITH SOME LARGER PARKING SPACES FOR TRAILERS TO BE ABLE TO PULL UP AND BRING HORSES IN. UH, COMPARING THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS WE SEE HERE, IT ACTUALLY IS GONNA FOLLOW THE, UH, R 10 A STANDARDS, SO THAT ONE DOESN'T NEED TO BE HIGHLIGHTED THERE. IT'LL FOLLOW THE R 10 A STANDARDS. AND THE ONLY CHANGE HERE IS THAT THE PRIMARY USES WOULD NOT BE RESIDENTIAL, BUT INSTEAD A MIX OF, UH, SORT OF RETAIL PERSONAL SERVICE USES AS WELL AS THE AGRICULTURE PRODUCTION. OUR ANALYSIS IS THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE PD REQUESTS, I THINK THERE WAS SOME GOOD SPIRITED DISCUSSION ABOUT PDS EARLIER. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF A PD AND THEN THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE USES IN THE PD. IN TERMS OF THE APPROPRIATENESS OF A PD THE APPLICANT'S INTENDED USES, THEY CANNOT ALL BE COMBINED INTO ANY SINGLE BASE ZONING DISTRICT. THE STICKLER HERE IS THAT WITH THE ANIMAL SHELTER IN CLINIC AND THE GENERAL MERCHANDISE FOOD STORE, YOU COULD DO THAT WITH A COMMERCIAL OR COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. HOWEVER, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO SOME OF THE MORE, SOME OF THE OTHER HORSE USES, AS IT WERE, PRIVATE, STABLE, COMMERCIAL STABLE, UH, THOSE ARE NOT, UH, USES THAT YOU CAN DO WITHIN A COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. AND SO WE LOOK AT, OKAY, IN THAT CASE, IT SEEMS THAT A PD IS THE ONLY OPTION TO BE ABLE TO COMBINE ALL THESE USES ONTO ONE LOT. SO THEN FROM THERE, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ACTUAL APPROPRIATENESS OF THESE USES WITHIN THE AREA. AND WE DO FIND THAT THE ENVISION DEVELOPMENT FITS WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA. THE AREA IS [02:05:01] CERTAINLY AS I THINK WE'RE AWARE, MORE OF A COUNTRY AND SMALL TOWN PART OF THE CITY COMPARED TO MANY OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY. UM, THERE ARE A LARGE AMOUNT OF LARGE LOTS THERE WITH A LOT OF SPACE, UM, AND THAT IT WOULD GENERALLY FIT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA. FURTHERMORE, RETAINING THE R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THAT DOES LIMIT THE IMPACT OF IT ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BUILD UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE. THEY HAVE TO HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF SETBACK ACTUALLY FOR ALL OF THESE STRUCTURES AS THEY'RE CONSIDERED OTHER PERMITTED STRUCTURES RATHER THAN A SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE. SO IF WE GO BACK TO THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT AT LEAST A 10 FOOT SIDE YARD AND A 15 FOOT REAR YARD. AND ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THERE'S ACTUALLY QUITE A BIT MORE SPACE BETWEEN THAT AND ANY OF THE STRUCTURES THAT WOULD BE PLACED THERE. AS SUCH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU, SIR. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, UH, COMMISSIONER HALL? UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. IS THERE ANYTHING ON THE SITE RIGHT NOW? UH, THE SITE CURRENTLY HAS ONE SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE ON THE VERY FAR EASTERN PORTION OF THE SITE NEAR ST. AUGUSTINE. THE REST IS UNDEVELOPED, AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? WE'LL GO TO NUMBER THREE, MR. CLINTON. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. HELLO, THIS IS KZ 2 3 4 DASH 2 8 0. UH, IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO AN EXPANSION OF PD OF 4 5 6 ON PROPERTY ZONE PD 4 5 6 WITHIN, UH, R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT, UH, AN AREA BOUNDED BY FOREST ROAD AND SKYLINE DRIVE TO THE NORTH SHEPHERD ROAD TO THE WEST AND STOLT ROAD TO THE SOUTH. THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO AMEND THE EXISTING PD TO ALLOW ADJUSTMENTS TO BOUNDARIES OF THEIR EXISTING SUB AREAS, UH, AND THEIR PERMITTED USES AS WELL AS HEIGHTS ON THE SITE. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 67 ACRES IN TOTAL SIZE. AGAIN, UH, CURRENT ZONING IS, UH, PD 4 56. IT'S DEVELOPED AS A, UH, GATED COMMUNITY WITH EXISTING HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, SERVICE PARKING. UH, THE LI THE, THE PROPERTY HAS, UH, FRONTAGE ON FOREST LANE, LAND, LAND LANE, SKYLINE DRIVE, SHEPHERD ROAD, AND SALTS ROAD. UH, GEOGRAPHICALLY IT'S IN NORTHEAST DALLAS, UH, ABOVE THE, UM, ARBORETUM ABOUT 11 MILES FROM DOWNTOWN. AND ONCE AGAIN, IT'S JUST A AMENDMENT TO, UH, CURRENT PD. UH, THERE HAVE BEEN EIGHT ZONING CASES IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. HERE'S OUR LOCATION MAP. THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP. HERE'S THE ZONING MAP SHOWING THE SURROUNDING USES. UM, TO THE NORTH THERE'S IR, WAREHOUSE STORAGE AND RETAIL, UH, AS WELL AS SINGLE FAMILY TO THE SOUTH SINGLE FAMILY. AND PD 5 0 1, UM, DEVELOPED AS THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TO THE EAST. R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY WITH PD 2 86, UM, AND PD 3, 2, 7 AS WELL. UH, WITH SUP, UH, NUMBER 2, 3 9 7, UH, WHICH IS A DAYCARE. AND THEN TO THE WEST IS, UH, ALSO SINGLE FAMILY WITH PD, UH, 1 4 1 AND PD 2 2 0. UH, HERE WE HAVE SITE VISIT PHOTOS. THIS IS ON SITE LOOKING WEST. THIS IS ON SITE LOOKING EAST. THIS IS A FAIRLY LARGE SITE, SO I'LL TRY TO RUN THROUGH THESE PHOTOS QUICKLY. THIS IS ON ONSITE LOOKING SOUTH. UM, ON SITE LOOKING EAST. THIS IS ON SITE LOOKING SOUTH. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ZONING SIGNS ARE PROPERLY POSTED. UH, THIS IS ON SITE LOOKING TO THE NORTH, UM, RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCIES. THIS IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF SHE SHEPHERD AND SKYLINE LOOKING EAST. UH, THIS IS, UH, SAME LOCATION LOOKING SOUTH, AND WE'RE JUST GONNA GO ALL AROUND THE, THE PROPERTY HERE, THE SAME LOCATION LOOKING EAST TO THE ADJACENCIES ADJACENT USES, THIS IS AT STOLTZ AND STOLTZ AND SHEPHERD, LOOKING SOUTH, THIS IS LOOKING NORTH TOWARDS THE PROPERTY. THIS IS LOOKING WEST, THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH, UH, TO THE, UH, I BELIEVE THAT'S [02:10:01] THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, SAME LOCATION, LOOKING NORTH TOWARDS THE PROPERTY, LOOKING WEST, LOOKING SOUTH TOWARDS MORE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCIES. THIS IS LOOKING NORTH SOUTH TOWARDS THE CHURCH. UM, OH, THIS WAS, UH, UNACCESSIBLE DUE TO THE, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, HOMES RIGHT NEXT TO THE, THE SITE. SO COULDN'T ACCESS IT, COULD NOT GET, GET PICTURES, BUT THEN WE COME BACK TO, UH, FOREST LOOKING NORTH AND THEN, UH, LOOKING WEST. SO THERE'S THE, UH, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND THIS IS AN ENLARGEMENT SHOWING THE, UH, DATA TABLE, UH, REALLY QUICKLY. SO THE REQUEST IS, UM, AGAIN TO JUST ADJUST THE BOUNDARIES OF THE EXISTING, UH, SUB AREAS WITHIN THE PD AS WELL AS SHIFTING THE HEIGHTS AND ADDING TO NEW USES. UM, SO ESSENTIALLY TO MY, EXCUSE ME, ESSENTIALLY TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE APPLICANT IS JUST LOOKING TO SHIFT, UH, SOME OF THE TALLER HEIGHTS FROM THE, UM, THE OUTER PERIMETER OF THE, UM, SITE TOWARDS THE CENTER. AND I BELIEVE THE INTENT OF THAT WAS TO, UM, NOT IMPOSE ANY POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCIES. THEY WANTED THEIR TALLER BUILDINGS TO THE MIDDLE, UM, THE SHORTER ONES TO THE, UH, CLOSER TO THE EDGES OF THE SITE SO THAT IT FITS BETTER WITHIN THE FABRIC, THE EXISTING FABRIC, AND THE, UM, CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED EXHIBIT 4 5 6 A, UM, AMENDED EXHIBIT 4, 5, 6 C, AMENDED EXHIBIT 4, 5 6 D, AMENDED EXHIBIT 4, 5, 6 E AND AMENDED CONDITIONS. THANK YOU, SIR. QUESTIONS MR. CARPENTER? YES, MR. CLINTON, UH, LOOKING AT THIS, UM, PLAN, THE LARGEST HEIGHT INCREASE IS ACTUALLY IN SUBDISTRICT F, WHICH IS UP ON THE NORTHERN END, UP ON THE FOREST CORRIDOR. IS THAT NOT CORRECT? IT'S GOING FROM THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED 30 FEET TO 78 FEET. UM, I'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT, THAT I DON'T, I SEE THE A NODDING HER HEAD, SO I'M THINKING . OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY . UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE, AND, AND THAT HEIGHT ISN'T ACTUALLY REQUIRED, I WOULD GUESS NOT AT THIS POINT. IF THE PLAN IS TO PUT IN 72 UNITS OF, UH, WHAT IS THIS CALLED, UH, APARTMENT RETIREMENT HOUSING AND 12 UNITS OF ATTACHED SINGLE RETIREMENT HOUSING. BUT GIVEN THAT THERE'S STILL A POSSIBILITY FOR, I DON'T KNOW, FOUR OR 500 MORE DWELLING UNITS HERE, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE LOCATION UP ON FOREST WAS CONSIDERED TO BE THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO PUT MORE DENSITY? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE EAST, THE, I GUESS THAT'S A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY WOULD BE, THEY WOULD HAVE THE PROTECTION OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS PLEASE. COMMISSIONER , THE, UM, 0.5 FAR LIMITATION WAS REMOVED ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, WE'LL KEEP GOING WITH CASE NUMBER FOUR. OKAY. THIS IS Z 2 3 4 2 8 2 3 4 2 8 4. AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A MANY WAREHOUSE USE ON PROPERTY ZONES IN MU TWO MIXED USE DISTRICT. IT'S LOCATED ON THE NORTH LINE OF GANNON LANE BETWEEN SOUTH COCKRELL HILL ROAD AND SOUTHWEST MORELAND ROAD. IT'S ABOUT THREE AND A HALF ACRES, AND THERE IT IS LOCATED OFF COCKE HILL, NEAR THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE CITY. HERE IS THE AERIAL VIEW OF IT, AS YOU CAN SEE FACILITIES BUILT OUT TODAY. UM, SO IT DOES BUTT UP AGAINST THE HIGHWAY ON ONE SIDE. UH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF, UH, COMMERCIAL USES TO THE EAST DIRECTLY, UH, SHARING A, A KIND OF A FRONTAGE WITH THIS PROPERTY IS AN OFFICE BUILDING OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE TO THE WEST. AND THEN THERE'S SOME MULTIFAMILY ACROSS THE STREET. SO THERE'S [02:15:01] A COUPLE BUILDINGS ON SITE THAT MAKE UP THE EXISTING, UH, MINI WAREHOUSE FACILITY, WHICH A MINI WAREHOUSE, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, IS IN, IN PLAIN TERMS, A SELF STORAGE FACILITY WHERE, UH, INDIVIDUAL, UH, RENTAL SPACES ARE, UH, BELOW A CERTAIN SIZE. AND THIS PROPERTY HAS HAD AN SUP BEFORE. IT WAS BUILT OUT UNDER A SEPARATE SUP, UM, DIDN'T RENEW, UH, ITS MOST RECENT ONE EXPIRED BACK IN APRIL. UH, AND SO THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE, THE SUP BESIDES GETTING A NEW ONE. HERE'S A SITE ON SITE LOOKING NORTH, LOOKING NORTHWEST AT THEIR, UH, KIND OF LEASING OFFICE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO THE SITE, LOOKING AT THE, UH, PRIMARY BUILDING AND FROM THE NEIGHBOR AND FROM THE OTHER NEIGHBOR. AND THAT'S THE BACK MAIN BUILDING CLOSER FROM THE HIGHWAY. LOOKING AROUND HERE ON LBJ, LOOKING NORTH, ALSO ON LBJ, IT'S ONE OF THE, UH, WAREHOUSES NEAR NEXT DOOR. THAT'S A TRUE WAREHOUSE, NOT A MINI WAREHOUSE. US. AND LOOKING DOWN GANNON LANE, MULTIFAMILY ACROSS STREETS WAREHOUSE NEXT DOOR. SO HERE'S THE SITE PLAN. IT IS THE SITE, SAME SITE PLAN THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR IN THE PAST, UH, THAT THEY DID ULTIMATELY BUILD OUT, NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN, NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THE CONDITIONS. CONDITIONS REMAIN THE SAME. UH, THEY'VE REQUESTED 10 YEARS WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS. UH, THEY'VE HAD, UH, AUTOMATIC RENEWALS IN THE PAST. THEY MISSED ONE OF THEM, AND, UM, THEY'RE NOW EXPIRED, OF COURSE. UH, THE ONE THING I'LL NOTE IS, UH, WHEN COPYING OVER THESE CONDITIONS, UH, THE FACADE MATERIAL, UH, CONDITION CANNOT BE INCLUDED, SHOULD BE STRUCK WHEN WE CREATE THE ORDINANCE. UH, BUT OTHERWISE EVERYTHING WILL REMAIN THE SAME. AND WITH THAT, IT'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION IS A APPROVAL FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS THEREAFTER, AND SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. THANK YOU, SIR. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER CONDITIONS AS BRIEF? YES, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT? IS THERE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO THIS MU TWO DISTRICT? NO, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY MU TWO CAN BUILD OUT A, A, UM, A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IF THEY SO CHOOSE, BUT THEY'RE WORKING IN A BASE MU TWO, SO THOSE USES ARE, ARE REGULATED PURELY BY THE MU TWO. THE SUP IS THE ONLY USE IN PLAY HERE THAT REQUIRES AN SUP. UM, BUT WITH THAT SAID, NONE OF THAT IS PLANNED. IT'S ESSENTIALLY PLANNED TO STAY EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE WAREHOUSE MINI WAREHOUSE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND OUR BEST TO MS. GARZA. I'LL GO TO NUMBER FIVE. UH, UH, CASE NUMBER FIVE, COMMISSIONER IS GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO NOVEMBER 21ST. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? OKAY, WE GO TO NUMBER SIX. THANK YOU, SIR. READVERTISED, THAT'S RIGHT. NUMBER SIX IS GONNA BE, UH, HELD AS WELL. COMMISSIONERS RE ADVERTISE. SO WE'LL BRIEF IT, UH, SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE. TAKES US TO NUMBER SEVEN. GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. OR AFTERNOON, I SHOULD SAY. MORNING CHAIR. CAN YOU SEE ME ON THE SCREEN BY CHANCE? I CANNOT, NOT YET. OH, OKAY. CAN YOU BEAR WITH ME ONE MOMENT? ARE, THERE YOU GO. OKAY, NOW. THANK YOU. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO LEMME SHARE. OKAY. AND LEMME SWAP SCREENS. APOLOGIES. CAN YOU SEE THAT SCREEN? YES. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSION. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS CASE Z 2 34 DASH 2 0 1. IT'S AN APPLICATION [02:20:01] FOR A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE. UH, IT'S, UH, ABOUT A 2000 SQUARE FOOT UNIT OUT OF A LARGER BUILDING. THERE ARE TWO BUILDINGS ON SITE, SORT OF GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT THERE. UM, ZONING BACKGROUND, IT IS IN PD 5 34. IT'S THE CF HAN SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT SUBDISTRICT TWO. UM, SO THE D ONE DRIVE OVERLAY AND THERE IS A, ANOTHER ACTIVE SUP FOR OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE USES ON SITE THAT, UH, DOES NOT OVERLAP THIS UNIT IN QUESTION. I CAN SEE ITS LOCATION THERE. SEE, ITS, UH, TWO LINEAR BUILDINGS. THEY EXTEND SOUTHWARD FROM CF HA INTERIOR PARKING. BETWEEN THEM, UH, SURROUNDING USES, THERE'S RESIDENTIAL, UH, RESIDENTIAL ZONED LANDS SOUTH AND TO THE SOUTHWEST. UM, PROPERTIES TO THE EAST AND WEST AND UP NORTH OVER CF HA ARE LARGELY INDUSTRIAL. UH, WITHIN THAT PD 5 34. TAKE A LOOK AT THE SITE DURING OUR VISIT LOOKING NORTHWEST UP, CF HA AND THEN BACK DOWN SOUTHEAST ON THE SITE. GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT ON THE PARKING CONDITION AND, AND WHAT THESE BUILDINGS LOOK LIKE. LOOKING BACK UP, TAKING A LOOK AT THE REQUESTED SITE PLAN, YOU CAN SEE THOSE TWO LINEAR BUILDINGS CF ONTO THE PLAN LEFT. UH, JUST KIND OF ZOOMING IN A LITTLE BIT, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT SEP SITE, UH, WITHIN THAT 2000 SQUARE FOOT UNIT. AND SPECIFICALLY THE DISPLAY WOULD BE THOSE TWO PARKING STALLS THAT YOU SEE THERE, LABELED DISPLAY, UH, WITH THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, UH, WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO THAT SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. THANK YOU, SIR. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, LET'S GO TO NUMBER EIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ALRIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. UH, I'M GONNA BE COVERING THIS CASE FOR GIANNA. THIS IS, UH, Z 2 34 DASH 215. IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT, LIMITED TO A MICRO BREWERY, MICRO DISTILLERY OR WINERY ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 8 42 ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF HOPE STREET AND LA VISTA DRIVE. UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW A MICRO BREWERY WITHIN AN EXISTING BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY. UH, HERE WE SEE THE LOCATION MAP SHOWING THE PROPERTY IN THE CITY LIMITS AND AERIAL, UH, AERIAL MAP WITH THE AREA OF REQUEST OUTLINED IN BLUE, UH, A ZONING MAP WITH SURROUNDING ZONING DISTRICTS AND LAND USES. SO YOU CAN SEE TO THE EAST HERE, UM, PRETTY LARGE TRACT OF MF TWO A ZONING, UH, MOST OF THE ZONING, PARDON ME JUST ONE SECOND. UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER HAS A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM AND HAS LOGGED OFF. COOL. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. UH, MUCH OF THE ZONING TO THE WEST IS IN THE LOWER GREENVILLE PD, UM, TO THE EAST, UH, PRIMARILY SINGLE FAMILY USES, UH, TO THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTH ARE, UH, RETAIL, RESTAURANT AND, UH, PERSONAL SERVICE USES FOR THE MOST PART, UH, LIKE I SAID, THE AREA REQUEST IS ZONED PD 8 42. IT'S DEVELOPED WITH, UH, CURRENTLY VACANT COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE. UM, THEIR PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD BE 7:00 AM TO 10:00 PM SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, AND 7:00 AM TO 12:00 AM MIDNIGHT, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. UH, TOTAL AREA OF THE REQUEST IS 5,300 SQUARE FEET, UH, OF THIS AREA, UH, BREWERY USE, UH, WOULD COMPRISE ABOUT 2,700 SQUARE FEET, AND THE TASTING ROOM WOULD BE AROUND 1700 SQUARE FEET. UH, AND THERE WILL ALSO BE A SECOND STORY MEZZANINE, UH, THAT WOULD BE USED FOR STORAGE. THAT'S ABOUT 800 SQUARE FEET. AND I DID WANNA NOTE, UM, SINCE THIS CASE IS UNDER ADVISEMENT, SINCE THE LAST HEARING, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED UPDATED SUP CONDITIONS AND THOSE WERE INCLUDED IN THE DOCKET PUBLISHED LAST FRIDAY. UM, SO MOVING TO SOME SITE PHOTOS. UM, THIS IS KIND OF ON THE SITE, UH, LOOKING AT THE FRONT [02:25:01] OF THIS BUILDING. UM, MOVING AROUND TO THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE SITE, WE CAN STILL SEE THAT VACANT COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE, UH, HERE AT THAT CORNER STARTING TO MOVE AROUND, UH, TO THE BACK OF THAT BUILDING. AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF SEE SOME OF THE SURROUNDING AREA, UM, AROUND THIS, UH, REQUEST. UH, THIS IS TO THE WEST, GETTING, UH, CLOSER TO, UH, GREENVILLE. UM, A FEW MORE PHOTOS OF THAT AREA. THIS IS ONE OF THE RESTAURANTS THAT'S IN THE AREA. AND THIS IS ON LEWIS. UH, LOOKING ACROSS THE STREET ON LEWIS, LOOKING NORTH. AND ON LEWIS, LOOKING ACROSS THE STREET HERE IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED SITE PLAN. UM, YOU CAN SEE THE SUP AREA OUTLINED HERE IN GRAY, UH, AS WELL AS THEIR PARKING SPACES HERE ALONG THE FRONT OF THE SITE. AND WITH THAT STATUS RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, SIR. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, WELL, UH, COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT CASE, UH, WELL, LET'S DO ONE MORE THEN WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE A LUNCH BREAK. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER NINE, KZ 2 34 DASH 2 24. IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR ONE AND AMENDMENT TO, UH, TRACK TWO WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 2 34. UH, AND A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A SERVICE STATION ON THE EAST SIDE OF SOUTH ROE HILL ROAD, SOUTH OF CORRAL DRIVE. UH, THE PROPOSAL IS FOR A NEW SUP TO PROVIDE SERVICE STATION, UH, FUEL PUMPS FOR THE PROPERTY, AND ITS APPROXIMATELY ONE ACRE IN SIZE. UH, WE DID HEAR THIS, UH, CASE BACK, UH, AUGUST 8TH HEARING. UM, SO THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES TO THE SUP CONDITIONS SINCE THEN. UH, NO OTHER CHANGES. HERE'S OUR LOCATION MAP. THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP AND, UH, ZONING MAP SHOWING THE EXISTING, UH, UH, SURROUNDING, UH, ZONING DISTRICTS AND USES. UH, THE SITE AGAIN IS, UH, ZONED PD 2 34, UH, SUBDISTRICT TRACK TWO TO THE NORTH IS ALSO PD 2 34, BUT SUBDISTRICT TRACK ONE WITH, UH, COMMERCIAL RETAIL AND R 10 RESIDENTIAL. UH, TO THE SOUTH IS MF ONE RESIDENTIAL AND TO THE EAST ALSO MF ONE RESIDENTIAL WEST OF THE PROPERTY IS THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE, UH, BUT THE USES LOOK TO BE, UH, COMMERCIAL. HERE ARE SITE VISIT PHOTOS. THIS IS, UH, SOUTH ON SOUTH AL HILL ROAD, UH, LOOKING NORTH. AND THE, UH, ZONING SIGNS HAVE BEEN FIXED. UM, AS OF TODAY, THIS IS ON SOUTH AL HILL ROAD LOOKING EAST. SAME LOCATION LOOKING NORTH, SAME LOCATION LOOKING EAST. UM, COMMERCIAL RETAIL, UH, ADJACENCY IN THIS PHOTO HERE, THIS IS ON SITE LOOKING WEST. THIS IS ON SITE, LOOKING SOUTH, ON SITE, LOOKING SOUTH. AND SURROUNDING, UH, USES, AGAIN, THIS IS TO THE WEST OF THE SITE. THIS IS WITHIN THE CITY OF DUNK DUNCAN V'S. JURISDICTION. BUT, UM, THE USES SEEM TO BE, UH, RETAIL, UH, COMMERCIAL RETAIL. AND THIS IS, UM, SAME LOCATION LOOKING NORTH, UH, ON SITE LOOKING SOUTH. AND LASTLY, LOOKING EAST TO THE, UM, MULTIFAMILY, UH, USES. THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED SITE PLAN, AND UM, I JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE, UH, CONDITIONS THAT DID CHANGE FROM THE LAST HEARING. SO, UM, APPLICANT'S TIME LIMIT FOR WAS FOR THE REQUEST WAS FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD, UM, ELIGIBLE FOR AUTO RENEWAL, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO C SHOULD CPC, UM, GO AGAINST STAFF'S. RECOMMENDATION IS FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, NO AUTO RENEWAL. UH, LANDSCAPING, UM, [02:30:02] I'M NOT GONNA READ ALL OF THIS, BUT BASICALLY AN ENHANCED, UH, RESIDENTIAL BUFFER ZONE WILL BE REQUIRED AS WELL AS A STREET, UH, BUFFER ZONE, UM, CHANGES TO THE PARKING. SO THE ORIGINAL REQUEST IS THAT, UH, PARKING, UH, BE LOCATED AND SHOWN ON THE ATTACHED SITE PLAN. UM, THE CHANGE IS THAT TO ADD, UH, NO OVERNIGHT TRUCK OR MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING IS, UH, PROHIBITED. WE ALSO ADDED, UH, INGRESS EGRESS, UH, MUST BE PROVIDED IN THE LOCATION SHOWN ON THE ATTACHED SITE PLAN. NO OTHER INGRESS OR INGRESS EGRESS IS PERMITTED. UM, AND THEN LASTLY, THE FUEL PUMPS, UH, MUST BE PROPERLY MAINTAINED AND IN A STATE OF GOOD REPAIR AND NEED APPEARANCE IF BROKEN OR US UNUSABLE, THEY MUST BE REPLACED OR REPAIRED. UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER HERBERT, UM, ON THE CONDITION CHANGES, UM, UM, THE, THE SUP CHANGE FROM 10 TO FIVE, UM, I KNOW THEY HAVE, IF THIS IS APPROVED, THEY HAVE TO BUILD. UM, IS, WAS THERE A SPECIFIC REASON WHY YOU REDUCED IT TO FIVE? YES. STAFF FELT THAT BECAUSE IT IS A NEW SUP, AND YES, THEY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BUILD, UM, FIVE YEARS WAS, UH, MORE THAN ENOUGH TO GET THEM, YOU KNOW, TIME TO BUILD, GET THEIR PERMITS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE AS WELL, AS WELL AS PROVE THAT THERE, UM, A GOOD OPERATOR IN THIS SPECIFIC AREA. OKAY. AND ANOTHER QUESTION WAS, UM, WILL, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED OR IF YOU KNOW OR NOT, BUT WILL THEY BE DIESEL PUMPS ON THE SITE? I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT. AND THAT MIGHT BE BETTER SUITED FOR, UM, THE APPLICANT. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. CLINTON. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER IS ON OUR WAY HERE, SO WE WILL, UH, BRIEF THAT CASE AND THE REST OF THE CASES WHEN WE HEAR THEM. IT IS 1225. UH, THAT CONCLUDES THE BRIEFING OF THE PLAN COMMISSION COMMISSIONERS. LET'S TAKE A QUICK LUNCH AND GET BACK ONLINE. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEATS. WE'RE GONNA GET BACK ON, [CALL TO ORDER] WE'RE GONNA BEGIN THE HEARING. 5, 6, 7, 8, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. I'LL GET CHAIR BLAST, RIGHT? SORRY ABOUT THAT. NO WORRIES. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. SENATOR, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. CAN WE, YOU PLEASE START US OFF? GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SCHOCK HERE, DISTRICT TWO, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. PRESENT, DISTRICT THREE. COMMISSIONER, UM, HERBERT, PRESENT, DISTRICT FOUR. COMMISSIONER FORSETH. PRESENT, DISTRICT FIVE. CHAIR SHAD PRESENT, DISTRICT SIX. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DISTRICT SEVEN. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, REAGAN. SHE'S NINE. DISTRICT EIGHT. COMMISSIONER BLAIR HERE. DISTRICT NINE, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER. DISTRICT 10. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. PRESENT. DISTRICT 11. COMMISSIONER HAWK. I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER LER. DISTRICT 11. DISTRICT 12. COMMISSIONER HAWK DISTRICT 13. COMMISSIONER HALL. DEAR DISTRICT 14, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND PLACE 15 VICE CHAIR RUBIN, I'M HERE. YOU HAVE QUORUM, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. TODAY IS THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 7TH, 2020 4, 12 50 4:00 PM WELCOME TO THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED. UH, OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES, UH, EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. UH, WE'LL KEEP TIME HERE AND LET YOU KNOW WHEN [02:35:01] YOUR TIME IS UP. I WILL PLEASE ASK YOU TO BEGIN ALL YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. UH, OUR RULES DO ALLOW US TO ADJUST THAT TIME. UH, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, UH, THERE MAY BE A CASE OR TWO WHERE WE MAY REDUCE THAT TIME TO TWO MINUTES. I WILL LET YOU KNOW AHEAD OF TIME. UH, ALSO WE DO HAVE SOME MOVING PARTS. WE MAY HAVE TO MOVE CASES NUMBER EIGHT AND 11 AHEAD OF THE DOCKET. UH, I WILL LET YOU KNOW AHEAD OF TIME, UH, ONCE WE GET, UH, TO A CERTAIN TIME, IF WE FEEL THAT WE HAVE TO BRING THEM, PUSH THEM UP A LITTLE BIT, WE MAY HAVE TO. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND. EIGHT AND 11. UH, AND, UH, THIS IS A HYBRID MEETING. WE DO HAVE SOME SPEAKERS ONLINE. I WILL PLEASE REMIND ALL OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE TO BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. THEN ALSO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CAMERA IS ON AND WORKING. STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT WE SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU. WITH THAT, WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU. UH, THANK YOU FROM JOINING US, WE'RE GONNA GET [Zoning Cases - Consent] STARTED RIGHT AT THE VERY TOP WITH CASE NUMBER TWO, FIRST CASE ON, UH, THE ZONING CONSENT AGENDA. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UH, DID WE KEEP NUMBER FOUR ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? IS THAT RIGHT? OR IS WHAT? RIGHT? SO IT'S TWO AND FOUR. THREE AND FOUR THREE I THINK WAS, SO THREE AND FOUR STAY ON CONSENT AS BRIEFED. I THINK I CAUGHT, YOU SAID THIS MORNING THAT THREE AND FOUR WERE COMING OFF CONSENT. I, I DID. AND THEN I WAS NOTIFIED THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO KEEP THEM ON IF WE STATE AS BRIEFED. OH, BUT WE CAN MOTION. YES. IF THE MOTION IS, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION TODAY AS BRIEFED, THEN THEY CAN STAY ON CONSENT. PERFECT. SO, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE ZONING CASES ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CASES TWO, THREE, AND FOUR. THEY WILL BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION, UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE THREE CASES, THEN WE WILL PULL IT OFF THE CONSENT AND VOTE ON IT INDIVIDUALLY. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON CASES TWO, THREE OR FOUR Z, 2 34, 2 55 Z, 2 34, 2 80 AND Z 2 34, 2 84? IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE THREE ITEMS? UH, I THINK WE WAIT A SECOND. ONE OF THOSE HAD A, ACTUALLY NUMBER FOUR HAS A REGISTERED SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION . SO WE WILL TAKE FOUR OFF CONSENT. THIS IS NOT TYPICALLY ONLINE. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ONLINE, BUT THEY MAY BE LATER. NOT ONLINE. LET'S, LET'S JUST TAKE IT OFF CONSENT FOR THE MOMENT. MAYBE THEY'LL LOG, LOG BACK ON. UH, SO THAT THESE CASES TWO AND THREE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, LET'S GET THOSE RIGHT INTO THE RECORD PLEASE. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. ITEM TWO IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH 2 55. AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR AGRICULTURAL AND RETAIL USES ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE WEST LINE OF SOUTH ST. AUGUSTINE DRIVE SOUTH OF LUBET STREET. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. CONDITIONS ITEM THREE IS CASE Z 2 3 4 DASH TWO 80. AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO AN EXPANSION OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 4 56 ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, DISTRICT NUMBER 4 56 AND AN R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT IN AN AREA BOUNDED BY FOREST ROAD AND SKYLINE DRIVE TO THE NORTH SHEPHERD ROAD TO THE WEST AND STOLTS ROAD TO THE SOUTH STAFF'S. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED EXHIBIT 4 56. A CONCEPTUAL PLAN AS BRIEFED AMENDED EXHIBIT 4 56 C AMENDED EXHIBIT 4 56 D, AMENDED EXHIBIT 4 56 E AND AMENDED CONDITIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE TWO CASES? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, UH, FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION AS BRIEF? YES IN THE MATTER OF, UH, THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER TWO AND THREE, I MOVE THERE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE APPROVE THESE TWO CASES AS BRIEFED. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAKE FOR YOUR MOTION. AND COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. [4. An application for a Specific Use Permit for a mini-warehouse on property zoned an MU-2 Mixed Use District, on the north line of Gannon Lane, between South Cockrell Hill Road and South Westmoreland Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a ten-year period with eligibility for automatic renewals for additional five-year periods, subject to a site plan and conditions. Applicant: HT DFW Metro SS, LP Representative: Tommy Mann, Winstead PC Planner: Liliana Garza Council District: 3 Z234-284(LG)] CASE NUMBER FOUR, GOOD AFTERNOON. ITEM FOUR IS A Z 2 3 4 2 84. IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A MINI WAREHOUSE ON PROPERTIES OWNED AND MU TWO MAKES USE DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE GANNON [02:40:01] LANE BETWEEN COCKER HILL ROAD AND SOUTHWEST MORELAND ROAD. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS AND MEMBER FOR, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS DANIEL BOX AND I'M A ZONING ATTORNEY WITH WINSTED PC OFFICE IS LOCATED AT 27 28 NORTH HARWOOD STREET. UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MIGHT BE OPPOSITIONS SIGNED UP, SO I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT I'M HERE AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU, SIR. PLEASE STAND BY. THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, WE IS OUR ONLINE SPEAKER. GEORGE WOULD BE, UH, MR. WILLIAMS. HE'S ON YOUR LIST. HE'S ON THE ONE THAT THEY PRINTED OUT FOR ME. I DON'T, JORGE? NO, NO ONE ONLINE COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES. UM, IN THE CASE OF Z 2 34 DASH 2 84, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR MOTION. AND, UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT. THAT'S FOR THIS EXACTLY AS RECOMMENDED. 10 YEAR YES. FULL VERBIAGE. YEP. YEP. THANK, THANK YOU SIR. UH, COMMERS, WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER HERBERT TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FALLS RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD YES, WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AIGHT RENEWALS FOR INITIAL FIVE YEAR PERIOD, SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED, AS BRIEFED, UH, AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR. COMMENTS, MR. HERBERT? YES, JUST, UM, THANK YOU FOR, UM, ENGAGEMENT, UM, GETTING THAT LANDSCAPE TOGETHER. UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, EVERYTHING YOU GUYS AND THE APPLICANT HAVE DONE, UM, FOR THIS PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY FOR THE APARTMENTS ACROSS THE STREET, UM, AND THE AREAS AROUND YOU. UM, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYE. THE AYES HAVE IT. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. [5. An application for an MU-3 Mixed Use District on property zoned Planned Development District No. 69, on the east side of South R. L. Thornton Freeway, south of East Overton Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Jobar Development Corporation Representative: Suzan Kedron, Jackson Walker L.LP. Planner: Liliana Garza U/A From: October 10, 2024. Council District: 4 Z234-144(LG)] GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. ITEM FIVE KC 2 34 DASH 44. AN APPLICATION FOR AN MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT ON PROPERTIES ON PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 69 ON THE EAST SIDE OF SOUTH RL THORNTON FREEWAY, SOUTH OF EAST OVERTON ROAD. STATUS RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. VICTORIA MORRIS, 2323 ROSS AVENUE, SUITE 600 WITH JACKSON WALKER. UM, AS YOU HEARD DURING BRIEFING, UH, WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THIS BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL THE NO NOVEMBER 21ST, CPC HEARING. UH, WITH THAT I DID CUT THE PRESENTATION IN HALF, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE REGARDING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH TO DATE. SO JUST TO BACK UP ALL THE WAY, THIS PROJECT BEGAN WORK, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGH THE DISTRICT FOR OFFICE BEGINNING IN OCTOBER OF 2023. WE HAD A SITE VISIT THEREAFTER WITH OUR COMMISSIONER AT THAT TIME, COMMISSIONER JAZZ ANDERSON. WE ALSO GOT TO WORK WITH, UH, SOME OF THE KEY DESIGN FEATURES OF THIS PROPERTY THAT MAKE, UM, DEVELOPMENT QUITE CONSTRAINED. UM, AND SO THEN WE HAD ANOTHER MEETING WITH OUR CURRENT COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, FOLLOWED BY ADDITIONAL DESIGN, UM, WORKSHOPPING WITH OUR TEAM, AND THEN OUR FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING SEPTEMBER 12TH OF THIS YEAR. UM, THEN WE HAD A CPC HEARING ON OCTOBER 10TH, HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO HAVE [02:45:01] TWO ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD UH, MEETINGS. OCTOBER 23RD AND OCTOBER 29TH. AND THEN LAST NIGHT WE ATTENDED THE MARAL PARK, HOA MEETING, VERY ROBUST CONVERSATION. AND WE WILL BE HAVING ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING NEXT THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 14TH AT 5:30 PM LOCATIONS STILL BE BEING DETERMINED, BUT WE'LL GET THAT INFORMATION AND LIEN ON THE COMMISSIONER. AND MS. OLA ALLEN, THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA TO, UM, GET A WORKSHOP GROUP TOGETHER TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THOSE USES. UM, JUST AGAIN, SOME PHOTOS FROM OUR FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS. GREAT TURNOUT. WE HAD OVER 30, 30 FOLKS IN ATTENDANCE AT THE FIRST TWO MEETINGS. HERE IS A MAP DEPICTING WHERE THOSE FOLKS CAME FROM. AND THEN, UH, THE THIRD MEETING, WE ONLY HAD TWO ATTENDEES, BUT IT WAS AGAIN, A VERY ROBUST CONVERSATION ABOUT THE USES PERMITTED IN THE MU THREE DISTRICT. AND THAT IS THEN WHAT LED US TO OUR MEETING WITH THE MARCELLUS PARK, HOA, WITH THE GOAL OF DOING THE SAME. AND REALIZING THEN THAT WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A FOCUSED GROUP SO THAT WE CAN WORK THROUGH, UH, THE REST OF THOSE COMMENTS. WE DID PRINT, UH, OVER 800, UH, SORRY, 800 INFORMATIONAL PACKETS FOR DISTRIBUTION, WHICH INCLUDED THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING INVITATION, COLORED COPIES OF OUR CONCEPTUAL PLANS, AND A FULL LIST OF THE USES PERMITTED IN THE MU THREE DISTRICT. THIS SHOWS 19 ATTENDEES WHO SIGNED IN. THERE WERE PROBABLY 50 TO 60 FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE. UM, AND WITH THAT, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THIS BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL NOVEMBER 21ST. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD? YES, MS. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON TO THE CHAIR, UH, TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. UH, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS KIMBERLY NUER, PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD 39 22 FORTUNE LANE OF, UH, MARCELL PARK. I'M REPRESENTING MS. ALLEN FROM THE, UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. UH, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY. ON BEHALF OF THE MARCELL PARK NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY, I'M HERE TO RESPECT, RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A DELAY IN THE UPCOMING DECISION ON THE REZONING PROPOSAL FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WHILE WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT BOTH THE DEVELOPMENT AND HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS, THERE'S A CONCERN THAT THE BROADER COMMUNITY HAS NOT BEEN KEPT FULLY INFORMED ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF THE PROPOSED PLAN. MANY RESIDENTS STILL FEEL UNCLEAR ABOUT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED AND HOW IT COULD AFFECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ARE SIMPLY ASKING FOR A SHORT EXTENSION UNTIL NOVEMBER 21ST AS PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED TO ALLOW US TIME TO COME TOGETHER AS A UNIFIED COMMITTEE, UH, THAT REPRESENTS ALL THE BLOCKS WITHIN THE MARCELL PARK NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, DURING THIS TIME, WE WILL, WE PLAN TO HOLD AT LEAST TWO MEETINGS, ONE AS A COMMITTEE, A FOCUS COMMITTEE, AND ONE AS A FINAL COMMITTEE WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION SO THAT WE CAN REVIEW, DISCUSS, AND AGREE UPON THE PROPOSED BUSINESSES AND SERVICES, UM, THAT THE REST AND RESIDENTIAL OPTIONS THAT'S BEEN OFFERED TO US. UM, THIS WILL ENSURE THAT WE PROVIDE THE COUNCIL WITH OUR FINAL UNIFIED INPUT BY NOVEMBER 21ST. WE BELIEVE THAT A WELL-INFORMED COLLABORATIVE APPROACH WILL LEAD TO, WILL, WILL LEAD TO A STRONGER AND MORE SUSTAINABLE PLAN FOR THE MARS PARK NEIGHBORHOOD. ONE THAT TRULY REFLECTS THE NEEDS AND ASPIRATIONS OF THE RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY THE SENIOR RESIDENTS THAT ARE STILL IN THAT COMMUNITY. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR THIS REQUEST. UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND, AND THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO CREATE A VISION FOR MARCELL PARK THAT BENEFITS EVERYONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. HELLO EVERYONE. MY NAME'S PATRICK HODGINS. I AM THE OWNER OF THE OVERTON PARK APARTMENTS, WHICH IS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. THE SPEAKERS ARE TALKING ABOUT REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. I'VE OWNED THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR FOR 12 YEARS. WE'VE DONE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK ON THAT PROPERTY OVER THE YEARS. NO ONE'S REACHED OUT TO ME AND MY TEAM WE'RE NEXT DOOR. EASY TO COME KNOCK ON OUR DOOR. THE ADDRESS THEY HAVE ON THE DECAB WEBSITE IS AN [02:50:01] OLD ADDRESS, BUT SIMPLY YOU COULD HAVE KNOCKED NEXT DOOR, LET US KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE IMPACTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO WE ASKED FOR THE DEFERRAL AS REQUESTED SO THAT WE CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, MY NAME'S CHASITY ORTIZ. UM, I LIVE ON 3 1 9 FORDHAM ROAD. UM, SO I'M GONNA BE RIGHT ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT, UM, AREA THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED. UM, I WILL SAY THAT, UM, THE NOTICE THAT I GOT FOR THIS KIND OF STARTING WAS A BLUE LETTER FROM YOU GUYS, UM, JUST KIND OF SAYING THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA DO. AND THAT WAS PROBABLY ABOUT A MONTH AGO OR SO. UM, SO I HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN ABLE TO KIND OF HEAR ALL THE IDEAS AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY WANT TO KIND OF DO. UM, I ACTUALLY JUST MOVED THERE. UM, I'VE BEEN THERE FOR ONLY A FEW YEARS. UM, I DO HAVE CONCERN JUST BECAUSE I AM IN AN AREA WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF WOODED, WELL, A LOT OF WOODED AREA AND EVERYTHING. UM, I DO HAVE SOME, UM, WILDLIFE THAT VISITS ME FROM TIME TO TIME. I HAVE OWLS BACK THERE, POSSUMS, RACCOONS, EVERYTHING. BUT THE REASON WHY I'M SAYING THAT IS BECAUSE I JUST FEEL LIKE USING UP A LOT OF THAT SPACE FOR RETAIL, CONSIDERING WE ALREADY HAVE A COUPLE AREAS LIKE BIG T PLAZA THAT HAS NOTHING IN IT, THE PLACE THAT'S NEXT TO IT, GLENDALE SHOPPING CENTER, THEY'RE ALL AREAS THAT HAVE NOTHING IN THEM. SO I THINK MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS JUST THAT WE'RE GONNA BUILD SOMETHING ELSE HERE AND IT'S GONNA BE EMPTY OR IT'S GONNA BE OKAY FOR A COUPLE YEARS AND THEN THAT'S IT. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS IN MY AREA THAT NEED HELP AND REDEVELOPMENT. I ALREADY KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE ALREADY BOUGHT THEIR LAND. I ALREADY KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA KIND OF DO WHAT THEY WANT. AND YES, I'M GONNA, I I WANNA BE ABLE TO KIND OF AT LEAST HAVE SOMEWHAT OF AN INPUT, BUT I JUST, I I JUST WANTED TO ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME BECAUSE I, I KIND OF REALLY WANNA AT LEAST BE SOMEWHAT INVOLVED, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S GONNA BE A TOWN HOME, A TWO STORY TOWN HOME ABOVE MY SINGLE HOME, 60 FEET AWAY. UM, I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE, SO I THINK I'M DONE. . GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM BEFORE WE GO TO OUR ONLINE SPEAKERS? JORGE, WE HAVE, UH, MR. ROBERT MOORE, NOT ONLINE. PAMELA MOORE, NOT ONLINE. NINE. OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES YOU DO HAVE A REBUTTAL TIME, MS. MORRIS, JUST BRIEFLY, UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO WELCOMING ANYBODY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT AND SPEAKING, AND WE ARE EXCITED TO CONTINUE EDUCATING FOLKS ABOUT OUR PROPOSAL AND, UH, THE SCOPE OF THE MU THREE REQUEST. SO THANK YOU AGAIN. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONER BLAIR, PLEASE. THANK YOU. MS. MORRIS, CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME, YOU'VE SAID IN YOUR TIMELINE THAT YOU'VE BEEN HAVING COMMUNITY MEETINGS SINCE OC FOR A YEAR, SINCE OCTOBER OF 2023, IS THAT CORRECT? SO OCTOBER, WE HAD A SITE VISIT AND A NEIGHBORHOOD TOUR. IT WAS NOT A FORMAL NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. OUR FORMAL NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS BEGAN ONCE WE STARTED GETTING CLOSER TO CPC SCHEDULING, UH, OR JUST BEFORE CPC SCHEDULING. SO THAT FIRST ONE WAS IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR. AND YOU HAD, AND IN THOSE MEETINGS YOU'VE, YOU'VE HAD ROUGHLY 6 30, 60, UH, OVER A HUNDRED PEOPLE EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE MEETING THAT WAS ONLY, THAT ONLY TWO PEOPLE ATTENDED. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU ONLY HAD TWO PEOPLE AT THAT MEETING? DID YOU HAVE, WHAT DID, WHAT KIND OF, DID YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT OUTREACH THAT WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL AS THE OTHER ONES THAT WERE WELL ATTENDED? UH, IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT THE OUTREACH WAS NOT AS SUCCESSFUL. UM, AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING, THAT PERHAPS FOLKS DIDN'T GET THE INVITATION UNTIL, UM, TOO LATE IN THE MEETING. IT WAS QUICKLY THEREAFTER OUR SECOND NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. SO, UM, AND THAT EFFORT AGAIN WAS TO MAKE IT HERE TODAY, BUT, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT PERHAPS THERE WAS SOME RESISTANCE TO ATTEND THAT MEETING BECAUSE PEOPLE NEEDED MORE TIME AND MORE INFORMATION, BUT THAT IS JUST WHAT WE'VE HEARD AND WHY AGAIN, WE'VE PARTICIPATED IN THE NEXT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. WELL, I, I, I THINK YOUR MEETINGS WERE QUESTIONS. UM, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. BUT, UM, THE NEXT MEETING, IS IT GOING TO BE ANOTHER, YOU SAID A FOCUS GROUP OPPOSED TO A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING? ARE YOU, YOU FOCUSING IN ON SOME ITEMS THAT THE, THE PEOPLE HERE SAID THAT THEY HAD CONCERNS [02:55:01] WITH THAT YOU WILL FLUSH OUT AND, AND CORRECT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING? YES, MA'AM. WE PLAN TO COME BACK TO YOU NOVEMBER 21ST WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS, LIMITING SPECIFIC USES THAT ARE NOT AS DESIRABLE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THE FOCUS GROUP WILL BE OF EIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVES. UH, AND WE'LL WALK LINE BY LINE WITH EACH USE THAT'S PERMITTED IN THE MU THREE DISTRICT WITH DEFINITIONS OF EACH OF THOSE USES AND GET A YAY OR NAY OR HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. YES MA'AM. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. UH, C NONE. COMMISSIONER FORESITE, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? IN THE MATTER OF CASE Z 2 34 DASH 1 44? I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL, UH, NOVEMBER 21. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FORE FOR YOUR MOTION. I WILL SECOND IT. ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYE THE AYES HAVE IT. THAT WAS, THAT WAS UNANIMOUS. I SECOND IT. YEAH. SKIRT [6. An application for a TH-3(A) Townhouse District on property zoned an LO-1 Limited Office District with consideration for a Specific Use Permit for a private recreation center, club, or area on the north line of East Northwest Highway, east of Lockhaven Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Daymore Opco, LLC Representative: Rob Baldwin, Baldwin Associates Planner: Martin Bate U/A From: July 11, 2024, July 25, 2024, and September 19, 2024. Council District: 10 Z234-178(MB)] NUMBER SIX. ITEM SIX IS CASE Z. 2 34 DASH 1 78. AN APPLICATION FOR A TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE IN OH ONE LIMITED OFFICE DISTRICT WITH CONSIDERATION FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE RECREATION CENTER, CLUB OR AREA ON THE NO LINE OF EAST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, EAST OF LOCKHAVEN DRIVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL. THANK YOU, SIR. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, ROB BALDWIN 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS. UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT THIS CASE BE READVERTISED TO COME BACK AS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT RATHER THAN A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THIS. WE HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, ASSOCIATION MEETING WELL ATTENDED, AND THERE'S A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT FOR THIS. SO I HOPE YOU CAN, YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS REQUEST OF RE-ADVERTISED AS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BALDWIN? WE HAVE HER ONLINE. WE DO HAVE A, A SPEAKER ONLINE. MS. GILBERT, IS SHE ONLINE? YES. GOOD AFTERNOON. HI, MY NAME IS STEPHANIE GILBERT. I LIVE AT 8 6 2 9 SAN SUI DRIVE. UH, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. UH, MY FAMILY HAS LIVED ON SAN SUI DRIVE FIVE HOUSES AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR 13 YEARS. UM, WE ARE INTRIGUED BY THE APPLICANT'S DESIRE TO BRING A FAMILY-ORIENTED RECREATION USE TO THIS PROPERTY, AND I APPRECIATE THE IN INTENTIONAL INTENTIONALITY EXHIBITED SO FAR BY THEIR PUBLICLY PROMOTED DESIGNS AND ATTEMPT TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY. I KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MET WITH SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS TO DISCUSS CONCERNS, BUT I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE WISE TO BRING A FEW OF OUR CONCERNS BEFORE THE COMMITTEE. WE THINK WE HAVE A WONDERFUL COMMUNITY WORTH INVESTING IN. SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT CAN BE DONE IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT BENEFITS OUR ACTUAL NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT VEHICLES WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE DEVELOPMENT VIA LOCK YEAR AND SAN SUI AND THAT ENTRANCES WILL BE LIMITED TO THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DETERMINATION OF NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACT NOTED IN THE CASE REPORT. I DO HAVE A REAL CONCERN FOR INCREASED TRAFFIC ON NORTHWEST HIGHWAY OVER THE YEARS, I HAVE SINCE SEEN MANY VEHICLE ACCIDENTS OCCUR WHEN PEOPLE ARE WAITING TO DO A LEFT-HAND TURN ONTO LOCKHAVEN AND FORESEE, UH, THE SAME POTENTIAL ISSUE HAPPENING WITH ANOTHER LEFT-HAND TURN JUST A HUNDRED YARDS DOWN THE ROAD. UM, A PROTECTED LEFT HAND TURN ON NORTHWEST HIGHWAY COULD HELP, BUT FROM MY EVALUATION, THERE'S NOT ACTUALLY ROOM FOR ONE ON NORTHWEST HIGHWAY. THE MEDIAN IN BETWEEN IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH FOR A VEHICLE, UM, IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE COMMISSION'S DESIRE TO PROMOTE A VIBRANT AND VIABLE NEIGHBORHOOD. I JUST WANNA EXPRESS A CONCERN REGARDING SUFFICIENT PARKING IN THIS THREE AND A HALF ACRE PROPERTY. UM, IN HOPES PREVENT STREET PARKING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M JUST ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT OUR STREET BEING USED AS A CUT THROUGH TO THE FRONT ACCESS ROAD THAT RUNS BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND THE SHOPPING CENTER ON FERNDALE NORTHWEST HIGHWAY. AND THEN ALSO JUST DUE TO THE PROXIMITY OF THE PROPERTY TO RESIDENTIAL LOTS, [03:00:01] I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MORE DETAILED INFORMATION REGARDING THE SPECIFIC LOCATION OF OUTDOOR PROGRAMMING AND A SWIMMING AREA WITH SOME INFORMATION HOW NOISE CONTROLLED STRATEGIES CAN BE USED AND SHARED WITH THE NEIGHBORS. SEVERAL OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE SHARED THAT THEY WERE TOLD THAT A BRICK WALL FOR PRIVACY AND SAFETY WOULD BE BUILT ALONG THE PROPERTY THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND I JUST WANNA EXPRESS THAT I THINK THAT'S NECESSARY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE PROPERTY VALUE. SO ALTHOUGH I SUBMITTED THIS AS AN OPPOSITION, I REALLY JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS SOME CONCERNS. UM, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, MR. BALDWIN. UM, I APPRECIATE HER, HER COMMENTS AND THEY WERE SPOT ON. SO, UM, THE ONLY ACCESS, VEHICULAR ACCESS WILL BE FROM THE SOUTH. UH, 'CAUSE WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL STREETS ON THE, THE NORTH AND AND WEST. UM, WE'RE TALKING OR CONSIDERING HAVING PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, UH, THROUGH THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE, UM, TO, TO ALLOW NEIGHBORS TO WALK IN. BUT THE, WHAT OUR CONCERN IS, IF WE DO THAT, PEOPLE WILL PARK ON THE STREETS NEXT TO THE DOOR, UH, THE ACCESS AND WALK IN. SO WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT. UH, WE WILL HAVE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY, SO WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE A SOLID FENCE OR WALL ON OUR WEST AND NORTH SIDE. UM, PARKING WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF IN THE PD, AS YOU'LL SEE. UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT REUSE OF THIS BUILDING. IT'S, UH, I'VE DRIVE DRIVEN BY IT FOR 20 YEARS AND DIDN'T REALIZE IT'S ACTUALLY AN ATTRACTIVE BUILDING. WE'VE HIRED CLIFF WELCH, WHO'S, UH, AN ARCHITECT, UH, WHO SPECIALIZES IN MID-CENTURY MODERN BUILDINGS, AND HE POINTED OUT THAT THIS HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT'S SON OR SOMETHING WHO IS THE DESIGNER OF THIS, AND HE'S GONNA BRING IT BACK AND MAKE IT LOOK REALLY COOL. AS FOR TRAFFIC, UH, WE'VE HIRED CHRISTY LAMBETH, LAMBETH ENGINEERING, WHO'S PREPARING A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS ON THIS SITE, WHICH WE'LL BE SHARING WITH YOU ALL, UH, WHEN WE COME BACK. SO, UH, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT PROJECT. I CAN'T WAIT TO SHOW YOU ALL THE DETAILS AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. SEE NONE. COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT? DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO. IF I GET A SECOND, I GOT JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AS WELL. UM, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34 DASH 1 78, I MOVE THAT WE, UM, HOLD THIS MATTER IN ORDER TO RE ADVERTISE IT FOR A PD TO WHAT DATE? UM, YEAH. HOW LONG DO I NEED FOR THAT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA NEED MORE THAN THE, THAN THE 21ST OF NOVEMBER? SURE. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, SO I'D SAY DECEMBER 5TH. OKAY, LET'S GO DECEMBER 5TH. DECEMBER 5TH. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR SECOND. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT. UM, THANK YOU. YEAH, I DON'T LIKE TO HOLD CASES. UH, THIS ONE'S BEEN HELD A LOT, BUT IN SINCE IT WAS FILED, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT APPLICANT. WE HAVE A DIFFERENT LAND USE, WE HAVE AN EXISTING BUILDING INSTEAD OF A NEW BUILDING AND WE'VE HAD NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH AND SO THE WHOLE COMPLEXION OF THE THING HAS CHANGED. AND SO WE, WE JUST KIND OF NEED TO WIPE THE SLATE CLEAN AND, AND START OVER AND WE CAN ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT MS. GILBERT, UH, BROUGHT UP AS WELL AS ANY OF THE OTHER FEEDBACK FROM, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. [7. An application for a Specific Use Permit for vehicle display, sales, and service on property zoned Subdistrict 2A within Planned Development No. 534, the C.F. Hawn Special Purpose District No. 2, with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay, on the southwest line of C. F. Hawn Freeway, southeast of Big Oak Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a five-year period with eligibility for automatic renewals for additional five-year periods, subject to a site plan and conditions. Applicant: Luanne Franks dba Kel’s Auto Representative: Rob Baldwin, Baldwin Associates LLC Planner: Connor Roberts U/A From: October 24, 2024. Council District: 8 Z234-201(CR)] GO TO NUMBER SEVEN. THANK YOU CHAIR. CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN. WONDERFUL. ITEM SEVEN IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH 21. AN APPLICATION FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE ON PROPERTY ZONE SUBDISTRICT TWO A WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 5 34. THE CF HAN SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT NUMBER TWO WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF CF HAN FREEWAY SOUTHEAST OF BIG OAK STREET STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. THANK YOU. SO THE APPLICANT IS HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON, ROB BALDIN 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B. UM, THIS IS A INTERESTING CASE. SO, UM, MS. FRANKS THE 81-YEAR-OLD WOMAN WHO RUNS AN AUTO TITLE BUSINESS OUT OF THEIR, THIS SUITE SHE HAS HERE. IT'S PART OF A, UH, IT'S A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BUILDING WHERE PLUMBING COMPANIES AND, UH, HVAC PEOPLE HAVE THING. SHE HAS A TITLE COMPANY THERE. SHE'S HAD IT FOR YEARS. UM, SHE WOULD LIKE TO SEEK A AUTOMOBILE, UH, LICENSE TO SELL AUTOS, UH, AS PART OF HER TITLE THING. UH, ONE OR TWO CARS A MONTH, MAYBE. AS YOU SAW FROM THE SITE PLAN, THERE'S ONLY TWO SPACES OUT THERE, UH, FOR DISPLAY. IT'S A VERY SMALL OPERATION, BUT SHE [03:05:01] NEEDS TO HAVE AN SUP IN ORDER TO GET A A, A DEALER'S LICENSE. UM, I THINK THIS IS A, A, A SOFT USE AND I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BALDWIN? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEE NONE. COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? YES, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 2 0 1, I MOVE, WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS FOR A FIVE YEAR PER PERIOD WITHOUT THE ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS SUBJECT TO THE SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR MOTION AND VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE. COMMENT, PLEASE. UM, THIS, THIS TO, IN ORDER TO DO THIS, THIS, THIS LADY IS SHE ALREADY, SHE CAN DO THIS IF SHE WANTED TO DO IT. SHE JUST NEEDS, SHE'S JUST TRYING TO BE LEGAL ABOUT SOMETHING THAT SHE COULD DO AND THE WAY MOST PEOPLE DO IT. SO I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT SHE'S GOING ABOUT THIS THE RIGHT WAY. THIS IS ALSO A PART OF A PD THAT CHAIR YOU AND I SHARE. UM, SO THIS IS, AND THIS IS AN EXISTING LOCATION. NOTHING IS BEING BUILT. NOTHING IS BEING BUILT OUT. THE BUS, THE BUILDING IS STILL IN, IS STILL IS ALREADY THERE. THE SLOT, THE PARKING SPACES ARE ALREADY THERE. IT'S JUST GIVING HER THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING LEGALLY. SO I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR, SECONDED BY VICE CHAIR RUBIN TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. FALSE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH NO AUTOMATIC RENEWALS WITH ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. ALTHOUGH IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. THE OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT. [8. An application for a Specific Use Permit for an alcoholic beverage establishment limited to a microbrewery, micro-distillery, or winery on property zoned Planned Development District No. 842, on the southwest corner of Hope Street and La Vista Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a five-year period with eligibility for automatic renewals for additional five-year periods, subject to a site plan and conditions. Applicant: East Dallas Brewing Company Representative: Rob Baldwin, Baldwin Associates Planner: Giahanna Bridges U/A From: October 10, 2024. Council District: 14 Z234-215(GB)] LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER WHEELER HAS A CONFLICT ON NUMBER EIGHT AND IS NOT IN THE CHAMBER OR ONLINE. YES SIR. ITEM EIGHT KC 2 34 DASH 215. AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT LIMITED TO A MICROBREWERY MICRO DISTILLERY OR WINERY ON PROPERTIES UNPLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 8 42 ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF HOPE STREET IN LA VISTA DRIVE. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE-YEAR PERIOD. SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. THE APPLICANT IS HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. ROB BALDWIN. 3 9 0 4 ELLEN STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS. UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY A VERY INTERESTING CASE AND, UH, ONE THAT I THINK HAS MERIT. UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR CONTINUING TO HOST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS. UH, IF YOU EVER WORKED IN LOWER GREENVILLE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF INTERESTED PARTIES AND IN THIS ONE, UH, SHE KEPT US COMING BACK TO THE TABLE AND I THINK WE'VE WORKED EVERYTHING OUT. UM, ONE THING THAT'S GREAT ABOUT THIS USE, THIS IS A, BASICALLY A 5,300 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. ABOUT HALF THE SPACE IS GONNA BE TAKEN UP WITH EQUIPMENT, BREWING EQUIPMENT. SO IT'S GONNA BE QUIET, UH, NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC. UH, AND THAT'S THE, THE SPOT THAT'S THE PORTION OF THE BUILDING IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO OUR NEIGHBORS. UH, IN SUP CONDITIONS, WE'VE LIMITED ACCESS. WE, THERE'S NO PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ADJACENT TO THE NEIGHBORS. UH, WE CAN HAVE DELIVERIES ONLY, AND THE DELIVERIES ARE LIMITED IN HOURS OF OPERATION. UH, THE, THE, THEN THERE'LL BE STORAGE AND THEN THERE'LL BE, UM, AN AREA FOR A TASTING ROOM. UM, YOU'VE SEEN IN THE SUP CONDITIONS, WE HAVE HOURS OF OPERATION LIMITATIONS. WE CAN NOT HAVE ANY OUTSIDE SPEAKERS. WE CANNOT HAVE A PATIO OR A ROOFTOP DECK. UM, AND WE HAVE TO DO, UM, NOISE ATTENUATION ALONG THE EXTERIOR WALLS. UM, SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IN EIGHT PD 8 42, WE COULD HAVE A RESTAURANT THERE BY RIGHT, THAT WOULD NOT HAVE ANY OF THESE RESTRICTIONS ON IT. I THINK, UH, FROM A PLANE STANDPOINT AND BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR, HAVING AN SUP IS ACTUALLY A BETTER, UH, VEHICLE FOR CONTROLLING THE USE HERE BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE RENEWED EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE AND YOU HAVE TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. UH, AGAIN, THANKS TO COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR ALL OUR HELP AND ALL THE NEIGHBORS THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [03:10:02] OKAY, I'LL LET THE RECORD, RECORD THAT. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, IN FACT DOES NOT HAVE A CONFLICT ON THIS CASE AND HAD A CONFLICT ON NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH SHE WAS ON IN THE CHAMBER. FOUR. YOU'RE DONE. OKAY. IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? WE DO HAVE THE OPERATORS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ON OPERATIONS THAT, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS THERE TO SPEAK. ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISS SHARES QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. CHAIR, PLEASE. JUST ONE CLARIFICATION IN OUR DOCKET ON PAGE 8.7, UM, ITEM 11 DELIVERIES, IT SAYS HOURS DELIVERIES ARE LIMITED TO XXX, HOWEVER, DELIVERIES ARE COVERED UNDER ITEM FIVE. DOES ITEM FIVE COVER THE HOURS? COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? I'M SORRY. THERE'S A BLANK IN OUR DOCKET ON THE SUP CONDITIONS, AND I'M CONFIRMING THAT THE, WHAT APPEARS TO BE PLACEHOLDER TEXT IS GOVERNED BY ITEM FIVE. OH, THAT'S FUN. GIMME ONE SECOND. THERE ARE REAL OPERATION HOURS. IT APPEAR TO BE COVERED UNDER ITEM FIVE. I JUST THOUGHT WE'D GET THE CLARIFICATION ON THE RECORD. MICHAEL TOLD ME IF I JUST SAY YES, THEN THAT'S A SATISFACTORY ANSWER. THANK YOU, MR. PEPE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU BOTH. YOU CAN THANK MR. PEPE . ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? SCENE NINE, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 DASH TWO 15? I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE SCP CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES. UM, ITEM NUMBER THREE. I MOVE THAT WE LIMIT THE, UM, SPECIFIC USE TIME PERIOD TO TWO YEARS WITH NO AUTOMATIC RENEWAL. ITEM NUMBER FOUR, OH, I'M SORRY. ITEM NUMBER FIVE. A MOVE THAT WE STRIKE THE LAST SENTENCE THAT SAYS DELIVERIES ARE LIMITED TO 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM ITEM NUMBER 10, A MOVE THAT WE STRIKE THAT SENTENCE AND REPLACE THE SENTENCE WITH THE FOLLOWING. ALL METAL ROOF AND WALL COMPONENTS SHALL BE TREATED WITH CLOSED CELL SPRAY FORM. AND ITEM NUMBER 11, THE LAST SENTENCE SHOULD READ, HOURS OF DELIVERY ARE LIMITED TO 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY COMMENTS? UH, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE APPLICANT FOR WORKING SO CLOSELY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS HAS BEEN A DIFFICULT BUILDING. IT SET VACANT FOR A WHILE. IT IS VERY CLOSE TO NEIGHBORS AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES WITH NOISE IN THIS PART OF LOIS GREENVILLE RECENTLY. UM, AND THE NEIGHBORS AND THE APPLICANT HAVE WORKED CLOSELY TO TRY TO ENSURE THAT THIS OPERATION IS GONNA BE A GOOD FIT FOR LOIS GREENVILLE AND AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS BE A SUCCESSFUL OPERATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. RUBIN. JUST ONE QUESTION ABOUT YOUR CHANGE TO ITEM 10. YOU SAID SOME SORT OF SPRAY FOAM SHALL BE APPLIED TO THE METAL ROOF IN ALL WALL FORMS, F-O-R-M-S COMPONENTS. OH, DOES THAT EXTERIOR WALL COMPONENTS OR ALL IT, IT'S ALL OF THEM BECAUSE IT, IF YOU SEE THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING, UM, IT EXTENDS OVER CERTAIN PORTIONS OF WHAT'S CURRENTLY BEING USED. PART OF THE BUILDING HAS BEEN CARVED OUT TO BE USED AS A DIFFERENT USE. UM, AND SO THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS ON SITE IN THE WAREHOUSE ABOUT EXACTLY HOW THIS SHOULD BE DONE AND I, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT IS. ALRIGHT, GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HERBERT TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD WITH NO AUTOMATIC RENEWAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS, AS WELL AS THE THREE, UH, CHANGES AS RENDERED THE RECORD BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON IN REGARDS TO DELIVERIES, THE ROOFING AND THE HOURS OF DELIVERY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. A OPPOSED? AYE. AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [9. An application for 1) an amendment to Tract II within Planned Development District No. 234; and 2) a Specific Use Permit for a service station on the east side of South Cockrell Hill Road, south of Corral Drive. Staff Recommendation: Denial. Applicant: Cockrell Hill Plaza, LLC Representative: Peter Kavanagh, Zone Systems, Inc. Planner: LeQuan Clinton U/A From: August 8, 2024 and September 19, 2024. Council District: 3 Z234-224(LC)] [03:15:11] THIS IS ITEM NUMBER NINE, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 2 24. AN APPLICATION FOUR ONE AN AMENDMENT TO TRACK TWO WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 2 34 AND TWO, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A SERVICE STATION ON THE EAST SIDE OF SOUTH HILL ROAD, SOUTH OF CORRAL DRIVE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL. THANK YOU. SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE. JUST A LITTLE BUTTON DOWN THERE AT THE BASE. YEP. THANK YOU. NO. HELLO? THAT'S IT. THERE YOU GO. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. UM, I'M FEELING A LITTLE UNDER THE WEATHER, SO IF MY VOICE GOES AWAY, I APOLOGIZE. UM, MY NAME IS SIMON. UM, I, MY OFFICE IS AT 5 6 0 0 TENON PARKWAY, PLANO, TEXAS. MY FAMILY AND I OWN THE PROPERTY AT 60 45 SOUTH COCKER HILL ROAD. MY FAMILY HAS BEEN IN THE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT FIELD FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS, AND WE OWN VARIOUS COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ALL OVER THE DFW AREA. UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR CONCERN AND INQUIRIES ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT AND LIKE THE CRIME IN THAT AREA. UM, I HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS REGARDING THE ENVIRONMENT AND WE, WE TAKE EVERY PRECAUTION POSSIBLE TO KEEP THE PROPERTY, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL FRIENDLY. FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A EMC MACHINE THAT, UH, GIVES US DAILY REPORTS ON, UM, THE LEVELS OF THE TANK. UM, IT ALSO DETECTS IT'S, IT'S, UH, DETECTS IF THERE'S ANY LEAKS GOING ON IN THE TANKS AND STUFF, UM, WHICH GOES OFF AN AUTOMATIC ALARM. UM, WE ALSO DO, UH, QUARTERLY INSPECTIONS. WE HIRE A THIRD PARTY TO DO THOSE QUARTERLY INSPECTIONS. THEY DO SEVEN VARIOUS TESTS WHERE THEY, UM, DETECT IF LIKE PROPERTY IS FINE, IF THERE'S ANY DAMAGE GOING ON DUE TO THE, UH, DIESEL AND GAS, UH, FUEL. AND, UH, WE ALSO ON TOP OF THAT HAVE A-T-T-E-C-Q, UH, YEARLY INSPECTION. SO THEY, THEY COME IN AND DO A, UH, INSPECTION AS WELL. OR ALSO WE ALSO HIRE MANAGERS THAT, UH, READ THE EMC MACHINE. SO THEY TAKE, UH, THEY HAVE A LIKE, RECORD OF EVERY DAY OF HOW MUCH THE GAS HAS BEEN SOLD, IF THERE'S ANY ALARMS GOING ON, IF THEY'RE THE LEVELS OF THE TANK AND STUFF. SO THEY KNOW HOW TO READ IT SO THEY KNOW, UM, IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS, THEY'LL LET US KNOW RIGHT AWAY. UM, REGARDING THE CRIME, UM, WE HAVE, I'VE SPOKEN WITH MARIA MENDEZ, UM, IN LIKE WHO'S, WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY OR WHO'S A MANAGER AT 6,500 APARTMENTS. UM, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT AND WE CAME, WE'RE GONNA, I'M GONNA ATTEND HER CRIME WATCH GROUPS. UM, SHE'S GONNA LIKE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE LIKE CONSTANT COMMUNICATION REGARDING ANY, LIKE, PROBLEMS GOING ON IN THE ENVIRONMENT OR IN THAT NOT ENVIRONMENT IN THE, UM, SPACE. AND THEN WE'LL ALSO HAVE A SECURITY GUARD, UM, ON SITE AND LIGHTS, UM, ON ALL SIDES, UM, BACK AND FORTH ON OUR PROPERTY. UM, SO YEAH, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LEMME KNOW. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? THERE SHOULD BE SOME SLIDES THAT WILL POP UP. MR. KAVANAUGH, THE MICRO, THE MIC'S NOT ON. SORRY. THERE WE GO. PETER KAVANAUGH, 1620 HANLEY DRIVE DALLAS REPRESENTING THE MCCONNEY FAMILY. UH, REQUEST IS VERY CLEAR. I THINK WE'VE BEEN HERE A COUPLE OF TIMES. UH, YOU'VE SEEN THE SLIDES. BASICALLY WE ARE TAKEN UP A SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS ADJACENT TO A FAMILY DOLLAR STORE AND ADJACENT TO THE 6,500 APARTMENTS [03:20:01] WE'VE MET WITH MARIA MENDEZ, I THINK TWO OR THREE, I THINK I'VE ACTUALLY MET WITH HER THREE TIMES. UH, AND, UH, SHE'S WELCOMING US THAT WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF GONNA BE FILLING IN A PROBLEM THAT THEY HAVE. THEY'VE GOT AN OPEN FIELD RIGHT THERE, AND THAT'S A PROBLEM WITH HOMELESS PEOPLE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND, AND, AND WE ARE GONNA BRING IN THE BRIGHT LIGHTS THAT THE FAMILY DOLLAR WELCOMES BECAUSE THEY CLOSE EARLY AND THEY DON'T CONTROL THE PROPERTY VERY WELL AT NIGHT ONLY BECAUSE OF THEIR, UH, THAT THEY'RE NOT THERE. UM, MARIA HAS ISSUES WITH THE AREA AND, UH, SHE'S, BUT SHE'S A VERY GOOD OPERATOR AND IN FACT IS GLAD THAT WE'RE COMING. THERE WAS A MENTION A FEW MINUTES AGO BY, UH, SIMON ABOUT THE, UH, ABOUT THE, UH, CRIME WATCH GROUP AND THEY WILL BE BOTH WORKING ON THAT IN A CONSTANT FASHION. UH, STAFF HAS, UH, ASKED US TO ADDRESS THE LANDSCAPING. WE ABSOLUTELY WILL DO THAT. MEET ARTICLE 10. WE WILL, UH, UH, I THINK MAKE THE PROPERTY LOOKS LOOK NICE AS OUR OTHER PROPERTIES DO. IF ANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN THOSE. UM, THESE ARE SUB ARE OTHER NEARBY PROPERTIES. SIMON MENTIONED THAT THEY'RE ALL OVER THE METROPLEX, BUT THERE ARE SOME JUST IN THIS GENERAL AREA ALREADY. UH, SHE MENTIONED THE, THE RULES THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW AND THEY CERTAINLY WELCOME THOSE RULES, BUT THE TCEQ UH, CONTROLS THE, UH, GAS STATION BUSINESS, IF YOU WILL, AND ALL THEIR PEOPLE ARE REGISTERED, UH, UH, TO PROPERTY HANDLE FUEL. UH, SHE MENTIONED THIS LITTLE EMC MACHINE THAT'S IN THEIR OFFICE. THAT THING IS CONSTANTLY MONITORING ALL OF THE TANKS IN ALL OF THE PROPERTIES. IT GIVES, PUTS OUT A DAILY REPORT OF ALL THE ACTIVITY AND IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES WITH ANY OF THE TANKS, THOSE ISSUES ARE AVAILABLE, THE ANSWERS AVAILABLE EVERY DAY AND THEY'RE READY TO, AND THEY CAN ADDRESS 'EM. UM, AND, AND AGAIN, THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, UH, UH, SEND A NOTE TO US TODAY ABOUT CONCERN OBVIOUSLY FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. I THINK THAT'S ADDRESSED BY THE MCCONNEY FAMILY. THE OTHER CONCERN I THINK HE WISELY HAD WAS WITH REGARD TO, UH, SAFETY AND, AND, UH, CRIME ISSUES. AND I THINK TO ADDRESS THAT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE GOOD PROPERTY OWNERS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE GOOD MANAGERS, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE FAMILIES LIKE THE MCCONNEY FAMILY THAT WILL BE THERE ON IN A CONSTANT MANNER TO ADDRESS THOSE PROBLEMS AND WORK WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS TO ADDRESS THEM. SO I THINK DISTRICT THREE, UH, I'M GONNA SAY THAT AGAIN, NEEDS RESPONSIBLE PROPERTY OWNERS AND RESPONSIBLE BUSINESS OP OPERATORS THAT HAVE SHOWN THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO DO THIS IN OTHER LOCATIONS AND OTHER PARTS OF OAK CLIFF NOT TERRIBLY DISTANT FROM HERE. I THINK THEY WOULD BE HERE TO SERVE AS A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND A GOOD OPERATOR. THINK I'D STOP HERE AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. SIMON, OF COURSE, CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, SIR. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR OUR TWO SPEAKERS. COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES. UM, MA'AM, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR, UM, YOUR, YOUR COMMUNICATIONS THROUGHOUT. UM, WHAT'S YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH OPERATING AND DEVELOPING SO CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY? UM, LET ME THINK OF THE PROPERTY. SO WE CURRENTLY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEAR THAT CLOSE OF, UM, THAT CLOSE TO RESIDE, UH, RESIDENTIAL. BUT, UH, WE DO HAVE, WE DO OPERATE ABOUT FOUR TO FIVE GAS STATIONS ALL OVER LIKE DALLAS, UM, WHICH ARE LIKE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO A LOT OF OFFICES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO WE HAVE EXPERIENCE. THANK YOU. UM, ALSO IN, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, UM, OPERATING YOUR GAS STATIONS, DO YOU HAVE A, A POLICY, A SAFETY POLICY AROUND, UM, AT THE FACILITIES THAT HAVE GAMING AND BEER AND WINE? YEAH, SO REGARDING, UH, GAME MACHINES AND STUFF, WE, UM, AGAIN, IT'S CLOSELY MONITORED. WE HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS ALL OVER THE, UM, FACILITY. BUT, UH, REGARDING THE GAME MACHINES, WHAT WE DO IS THAT IT'S PEOPLE, THEY COME TO QUERES, THEY'RE LOCAL OWNED, LIKE THEIR LOCAL FAMILY OWNED QUERES. UM, AND THEY COME THERE IF THEY'RE LIKE, THEY'RE WAITING FOR THEIR FOOD, THEY GO TO THE, UH, GAME MACHINE AND THEY PLAY A COUPLE GAMES. UM, AND THEN WHEN THEY CASH OUT, WE GIVE THEM CREDIT SO THEY CAN BUY, WE DON'T GIVE THEM CASH, WE GIVE THEM CREDIT SO THEY CAN BUY NOVELTY OR DRINKS. NO ALCOHOL, NO TOBACCO FROM THAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE. THANK YOU. AND WHOEVER WANTS TO FILL THIS, THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU ALL SHOWED AND WE SEE IN THE SUP CONDITIONS, UM, THE LANDSCAPING, THE PLANTING ALONG THE STREET, BUT CAN YOU ADDRESS THE BUFFER ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL? YEAH, SO, UH, THIS IS, OR I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SHOW, SO IT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF [03:25:01] THE SCREEN. IT, UM, IT'S THIS SIDE. IT WAS THIS THING MOVING FOR YOU AS WELL. IT'S RIGHT. SO WHAT IS, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE DEPTH OF THAT? IT JUST, IT IT APPEARS TO BE SIX FEET AND I THINK IT'S PER ARTICLE 10, BUT WAS JUST WANTING TO CONFIRM HOW Y'ALL WERE, WERE TREATING THAT SINCE YOU'VE GOT PARKING AND A DRIVE AISLE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S, IT'S, THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT ABOUT SIX FEET. AND, AND THE, THERE'S A, A A, THERE WILL BE A RETAINING WALL THERE W AS WELL. THE APARTMENTS ARE ABOVE US, IF YOU WILL. SO, UH, THERE WE WILL HAVE A, OUR OWN SIX FOOT FENCE ON THERE. BUT THE, BUT THE ACTUAL ARE ACTUALLY SITES, UH, IS BELOW THEM, IF YOU WILL. OKAY. AND AGAIN, THE INTENT IS YOU'RE FOLLOWING ARTICLE 10 AND THE SUP CONDITIONS ARE JUST PROVIDING YOU WITH ALTERNATIVE PLANTING IF THAT'S REQUIRED. YES. AND, AND, AND WE TALKED TO OUR COMMISSIONER ABOUT THAT TOO. UH, HE POINTED OUT LAST SUMMER THAT, UM, WE HAVE A PROBLEM AT OUR OTHER PROPERTIES. IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO US, BUT THE CITY OF DALLAS SEVERELY ASKED US TO SEVERELY LIMIT THE WATERING DURING THE SUMMER. OUR TREES DO FINE IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OF OUR PROPERTIES. UM, LET'S SEE HERE. UH, WELL, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB OF GETTING THE TREES. I SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT. UH, BUT THE, THE TREES DO FINE, BUT THE LITTLE PLANTS DON'T MAKE IT IN THE SUMMER. AND OUR, UH, MCCONAUGHEY FAMILY SAID, IF, IF WE COULD WATERBOARD, WE COULD KEEP THAT GOING. BUT THE WATER DEPARTMENT ASKED YOU NOT TO DO THAT. SO IN THIS CASE, WE'RE GONNA USE REALLY HEAVY STUFF. I, MY BEST FRIEND IS TEXAS SAGE FOR, FOR THE LOW PLANTINGS THAT DOES VERY WELL, CERTAINLY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, UH, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY DO THAT TO LIMIT THE WATER, UH, DEMAND FOR THE PLANTINGS. THANK YOU MR. KAVANAUGH. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? I DO. AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I'LL HAVE COMMENTS. UM, AND OPEN TO DISCUSSION. I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR MOTION. AND VICE CHAIR RUBEN, I CHAIR RUBEN FOR YOUR SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, IS THAT A STRAIGHT DENIAL OR IS THAT WITHOUT PREJUDICE? WITHOUT PREJUDICE. WITHOUT PREJUDICE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR MOTION. VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YEAH, UM, I TOOK SOME TIME TO WRITE SOME THINGS OUT 'CAUSE I WANTED TO BE SPECIFIC. UM, THIS, UH, THROUGHOUT MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT AND THE REPRESENTATIVE, UM, I'VE ASKED QUESTIONS AND HAVE GOTTEN COMPLAINTS. YOU GUYS KNOW I WORK AT THE WATER DEPARTMENT. UM, A LOT OF THE, INSTEAD OF TAKING ACCOUNTABILITY, I GOT EXCUSES. UM, THERE WERE NOT ACCURATE ANSWERS THAT WOULD PROTECT THE COMMUNITY, UM, THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND WELFARE. UM, THE PROPOSED SERVICE STATION IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING MIX OF COMMERCIAL, SINGLE FAMILY, AND MULTIFAMILY USES. ITS PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS, RAISES SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS REGARDING INCREASED TRAFFIC, NOISE AND POLLUTION, WHICH ARE DETRIMENTAL TO THE COMMUNITY'S WELFARE. ACCORDING TO SECTION 5 51. A FOUR DASH 4.219 OF DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE AND SUP SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CHARACTER AND SHOULD NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT ADJACENT PROPERTIES OR THE COMMUNITY'S WELFARE. THE PROPOSED SERVICE STATION FAILS TO MEET THESE CRITERIA. UM, STUDIES INDICATE THAT AREAS NEAR FUEL STATIONS CAN HAVE HIGHER LEVELS OF HARMFUL SUBSTANCES WITH SUCH AS BENZENE NEGATIVE, NEGATIVELY IMPACTING AIR QUALITY AND PUBLIC HEALTH. ADDITIONALLY, THE POTENTIAL FOR SOIL AND GROUNDWATER CONTAMINATION DUE TO LEAKS AND SPILLS, POSES A SIGNIFICANT RISK. AND THE DENSELY POPULATED URBAN AREA, THE INTRODUCTION OF A SERVICE STATION WILL LEAD TO INCREASED TRAFFIC CONGESTION, RESULTING IN HIGHER EMISSIONS IN NOISE POLLUTION. FURTHER DE GREATER INEQUALITY OF THE LIFE AND NEARBY RESIDENTS ON THE SOUTHERN SECTOR. LACK OF POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION. SUP MUST COMPLIMENT OR BE COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING USES AND CONTRIBUTE POSITIVELY TO THE AREA. THE PROPOSED SERVICE STATION DOES NOT ENHANCE OR PROMOTE THE WELFARE OF THE AREA AND COULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND GENERAL WELFARE. IT ONLY ADDS ANOTHER SIMILAR USE THAT SATURATES THE AREA IN QUESTION. IN LIGHT OF THESE CONSIDERATIONS, I SUPPORT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO DENIED APPLICATIONS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR A SUP FOR A SERVICE STATION. ALTHOUGH I HAVE GOTTEN TO KNOW THE OWNER AND AS AN ENTREPRENEUR MYSELF, I RESPECT THE EFFORTS, IT IS ESSENTIAL TO PRIORITIZE THE WELLBEING OF OUR COMMUNITY, ENSURE THAT ANY NEW DEVELOPMENTS ARE SUITABLE AND BENEFICIAL FOR THAT AREA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HERBERT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, NO MATTER [03:30:02] OF Z 2 34 2 24, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HERBERT. SECOND OF ADVICE CHAIR RUBIN TO CLOSE UP OF A HEARING AND FALSE TO RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY OPPOSED? WE HAVE TWO IN OPPOSITION, UH, COMMISSIONER SCHOCK AND HOUSEWRIGHT. MOTION PASSES. [10. An application for an MF-1(A) Multifamily Subdistrict on property zoned a CC Community Commercial Subdistrict within Planned Development District No. 595, the South Dallas/Fair Park Special Purpose District, on the southeast line of Spring Avenue, southwest of the intersection of Spring Avenue and Pine Spring Connection. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Jazman Clay, House to Home Development Representative: Stacie Steward, BWI Contracts, LLC Planner: LeQuan Clinton U/A From: September 19, 2024. Council District: 7 Z234-264(LC)] LET'S GO TO NUMBER 10. UH, BELIEVE NUMBER 10 HAS NOT BEEN BRIEFED. SO WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE BRIEFING. SO IT WAS BRIEF BEFORE. ARE THERE ANY, UH, CHANGES? ANY UPDATES? OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE BEGIN THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, LET'S GET IT RIGHT IN, PLEASE. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 10, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 2 64. AN APPLICATION FOR AN MF ONE, A MULTIFAMILY SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE, A COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF SPRING AVENUE, SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF SPRING AVENUE AND PINE SPRING CONNECTION STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IS THIS ITEM NUMBER 12? PARDON ME? 10. THANK YOU. ANY SPEAKERS, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE MOTION IN THE MATTER OF K IS KZ TWO THREE DASH 2064? I'LL MOVE TO CLOSE OF PUBLIC HEARING AND FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. AND IF I CAN GET A SECOND, I HAVE A YOU DO HAVE A SECOND. THANK YOU MR. RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER WHEELER. UM, I AM VERY THANKFUL TO THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT. SHE WAS NEW TO THE AREA. SHE'S ALSO NEW TO HOME, UM, HOME BUILDER. UM, SHE WAS ABLE TO COME OUT AND SPEAK WITH THE, SHE WAS INVOLVED IN, UM, SOME MEETINGS AS IT RELATE TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR IN SOUTH DALLAS. SHE ALSO WAS ABLE TO RIDE AROUND AND GET SOME MORE INSIGHT. THIS WAS HER, THIS IS HER FIRST HOME AND, UM, SHE WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE WAS, UM, BUILDING, UM, AND ALSO BEING A PART OF THE COMMUNITY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM HER. IN THE LAST MONTH. THERE HAS BEEN EVERY LOT ACROSS THE STREET HAS BEEN A IN, HAS BEEN, UH, IS AN INFIELD LOT THAT HAS NEW HOMES THAT ARE EITHER FINISHED OR ALMOST FINISHED. UM, AND THIS WAS A LARGE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE ACTIVITIES AT THE CHURCH NEARBY, THESE, THE, ALL THESE PROPERTIES WERE, UM, A EYE SOURCE TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF THE OVERPOPULATION OF, OF DRUG ADDICTS, UM, AND OTHER ACTIVITIES. UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS CLOSE BY IS, ARE HAPPY THAT THESE ARE BEING INFIELD. UM, AND SO I GLADLY SUPPORT HER AND HER EFFORTS OF, OF TRYING TO BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND, AND LOOKING AT IDEAS. UM, AND SHE IS OPEN TO BUILD MORE HOMES IN AREA. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYE. THE AYES HAVE IT. UH, COMMISSIONERS. IT IS 1 52. LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK. JORGE, ARE WE RECORDING? SIR? WE ARE RECORDING COMMISSIONERS. IT IS 2:06 PM WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD. UH, [11. An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 2431 for a restaurant with drive-in or drive-through service on property zoned a CA-1(A) Central Area District, on the west line of South Griffin Street, between Commerce Street and Jackson Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a five-year period, subject to an amended site plan, an amended landscape plan, and staff’s recommended conditions. Applicant: McDonald’s Corporation Representative: Rob Baldwin [Baldwin Associates] Planner: Martin Bate Council District: 14 Z234-139(MB)] CASE NUMBER 11, WE HAVE NOT BRIEFED THIS CASE. WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE BRIEFING. GOOD, . GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS ITEM 11, UH, CASE Z 2 3 4 1 3 9. UH, IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2, 4 3, 1 FOR A RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE AND DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE LOCATED ON THE WEST LINE OF SOUTH GRIFFIN STREET BETWEEN COMMERCE STREET AND JACKSON STREET, APPROXIMATELY 20,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE, UH, LOCATED IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS. HERE'S AN AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE SUBJECT SITE AND THEN A ZONING MAP SHOWING THE SURROUNDING LAND USES, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE AREA, IT IS ALL ZONED AS CA ONE A, THE CENTRAL AREA DISTRICT. UH, THROUGHOUT THE AREA YOU HAVE A PUBLIC PARK TO THE NORTHEAST, UH, SURFACE PARKING, UH, TO THE NORTH, NORTHWEST AND TO THE WEST, UM, AS WELL AS TO THE SOUTHEAST. UH, THE LISTING OF UTILITY OF GOVERNMENT INSTALLATION IS A FEDERAL OFFICE BUILDING, UH, AS WELL AS AN OFFICE BUILDING TO [03:35:01] THE SOUTH. SOUTHWEST IS AS MENTIONED, IS CURRENTLY ZONED CA ONE A DEVELOPED TO THE RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE AND DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING RENEWAL OF THE SUP FOR A PERIOD OF 10 YEARS TO CONTINUE OPERATION OF THE DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE THE SITE OR, OR INITIALLY HANDED SUP NUMBER 1 4 1 0 FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH THAT WAS ISSUED FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD ON JUNE 14TH, 2000. IT WAS RENEWED FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS ON SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2010. SUP NUMBER 1 4 1 0 LAPSED. AND THE APPLICANT REQUESTED A NEW SUP, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED SEP NUMBER 2, 4 3 1 FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD ON DECEMBER 11TH, 2021. THE SEP EXPIRED ON DECEMBER 8TH, 2023. THE APPLICANT FILED FOR RENEWAL ON DECEMBER 7TH, REQUESTING 10 YEARS, UM, AND NOT WITHOUT A RENEWAL, UH, ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF JACKSON STREET AND SOUTH GRIFFIN STREET. LOOKING WEST TOWARDS THE SITE. HERE WE ARE ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF JACKSON AND SOUTH GRIFFIN. LOOKING NORTHWEST CLOSER TO THE SITE. THEN LOOKING AWAY FROM THE SITE HERE, WE ARE LOOKING NORTH ALONG JACKSON STREET, LOOKING SOUTH AWAY FROM THE SITE, LOOKING WEST WITH THE SITE TO THE RIGHT, THEN LOOKING EAST WITH THE SITE TO THE LEFT, LOOKING NORTHEAST AT THE SITE AND LOOKING NORTH HERE ON SOUTH GRIFFIN STREET, WE SEE THE FEDERAL BUILDING TO THE EAST OF THE SITE. THEN LOOKING WEST TOWARDS THE SITE HERE, WE'RE ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF COMMERCE. AND SO GRIFFIN, LOOKING SOUTHWEST TOWARDS THE SITE, LOOKING NORTHEAST AWAY FROM THE SITE, LOOKING NORTH, THEN LOOKING WEST, LOOKING SOUTH, THEN ON COMMERCE STREET, UH, THE ENTRANCE OF THE DRIVE THROUGH AND THE SITE LOOKING SOUTHEAST AT THE SITE ON COMMERCE STREET, LOOKING NORTH AWAY FROM THE SITE AND THEN LOOKING WEST FURTHER DOWN ALONG COMMERCE. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE EXISTING SITE PLAN. UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING SOME CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN. SO I'LL BRING UP THE EXISTING SITE PLAN. WE SEE HERE THAT THE PARKING ON THE SITE IS ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING AND THEN THE DRIVE THROUGH TRAFFIC GOES FURTHER TO THE WEST AWAY FROM THE BUILDING. THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL IS TO SHIFT THAT AROUND HAVING PARKING CLOSER TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE, DRIVE THE TRAFFIC GOING CLOSER TO THE BUILDING. ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING SOME CHANGES TO THE SITE ITSELF, INCLUDING PARKING PAVERS, AS WELL AS PEDESTRIAN PAVERS THAT WILL, UH, IMPROVE THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY TO THE SIDEWALKS. UH, THERE'S ALSO SOME CHANGES INCLUDING MARKING OF THE CROSSWALKS FOR THE SIDEWALKS AT THE ENTRANCES AND EXIT OF THE BUILT OF THE SITE. THERE'S, UH, SOME PROPOSALS FOR POTENTIAL EV CHARGING PACE SPACES AND SOLAR CANOPY DRIVE THROUGH. SCREENING IS ALSO PROPOSED ALONG THE SOUTH GRIFFIN STREET SIDE. THE EXIT ON JACKSON STREET, THAT IS INTENDED TO ONLY BE AN EXIT, UH, NOT AN INGRESS POINT. UH, THE COMMERCE STREET DRIVEWAY IS A TWO-WAY ACCESS. ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS AN EXISTING LANDSCAPE PLAN. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING TO AMEND THIS. IT IS LARGELY SIMILAR TO WHAT IT CURRENTLY EXISTS WITH THE ADDITION OF THAT DRIVE THROUGH SCREENING A POLLINATOR GARDEN WITH NATIVE PLANTS ON THE WEST NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE COR OF THE PROPERTY. AND THEN THERE'S PROPOSAL FOR BOLLARDS FOR THOSE PEDESTRIAN PAVERS CONNECTING TO COMMERCE STREET AND THE CORNER OF SOUTH GRIFFIN AND COMMERCE STAFF'S. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED SITE PLAN, AMENDED LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE. YEAH, MY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. UM, GIVEN THAT THIS IS FOR RENEWAL OF AN SUP, WHY DOES THE, UM, STAFF REPORT NOT MENTION THE, UH, LEGAL STANDARD FOR SUVS AT ALL? THAT MAY HAVE BEEN OVER AN OVERSIGHT IN TERMS OF, UH, IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT THE LEGAL STANDARDS FOR AN SUP ARE GENERALLY, AND I CAN PULL THOSE UP TO READ INTO, UH, THE RECORD IF WE WOULD LIKE. I, I MEAN I HAVE 'EM, I JUST, DID YOU CONSIDER THE LEGAL STANDARD FOR GRANTING AN SCP WHEN YOU RECOMMENDED? YES. WE ALWAYS CONSIDER THOSE STANDARDS FOR AN SCP. AND I ALSO NOTE THAT STAFF RECOGNIZES THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL GOES AGAINST THE 360 PLAN FOR DOWNTOWN, BUT NEVERTHELESS, YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL. YES. WHY IS THAT? IN TERMS OF RECOMMENDATION, WHEN WE LOOK AT AN SUP RENEWAL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER IS WHAT MADE AN, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT AN SUP THAT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT WHAT WAS THE RATIONALE BEHIND APPROVING IT ORIGINALLY AND WHETHER ANYTHING HAS CHANGED IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE EXISTING LAND USES AROUND THE SITE AND THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT AROUND THE SITE, AND WHETHER ANYTHING THERE HAS CHANGED THAT WOULD MAKE THIS USE NO LONGER APPROPRIATE [03:40:01] DESPITE IT BEING FOUND APPROPRIATE PREVIOUSLY. AND LOOKING AT THE SURROUNDING LAND USES, THERE'S A PREDOMINANCE OF SURFACE PARKING LOTS AND A FEW OFFICE BUILDINGS. THAT HAS NOT CHANGED SINCE THE SUP WAS LAST PUT UP FOR, UH, CONSIDERATION BEFORE THIS BODY AND BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL. AS SUCH, WE HAVE FOUND THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO CONTINUE THE SUP FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD TO ALLOW MORE FREQUENT REVISITING OF THE SITE AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS AS OPPOSED TO STAFF'S OR AS OPPOSED TO APPLICANT'S REQUESTED TENURE PERIOD. I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION. UM, ARE DID YOU CONSIDER ANY OF THE CHANGES IN LAND USE THAT ARE COMING? UH, WE DON'T GENERALLY LOOK AT ANYTHING THAT IS EITHER IN A PIPELINE OR A HYPOTHETICAL. UH, WE DON'T WANNA LOOK AT WHAT IS EITHER EXISTING AND AS WELL AS CONSIDERING, UH, ADOPTED POLICIES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. UM, UH, MR. CHAIR, MR. CHAIR. OH, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER HALL, PLEASE GO AHEAD IN FRONT OF ME. YEAH, THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THE AUDIO. UM, MR. BATE, THIS WAS VERY LIMITED NOTIFICATIONS. I BELIEVE ONLY FIVE NOTIFICATION LETTERS WERE SENT OUT YET WE HAVE RECEIVED QUITE A FEW, UH, LETTERS IN OPPOSITION, UH, OR EMAILS. LEMME PUT IT THIS WAY, EMAILS IN OPPOSITION. DID WE RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE FIVE NOTIFICATIONS? ANYTHING IN SUPPORT? UH, LET ME CHECK OUR RECORD HERE, BUT I BELIEVE WE RECEIVED ONE LETTER IN OPPOSITION FROM ONE OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS. THE NOTIFICATION AREA WAS A 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION AREA. THAT'S JUST OUR STANDARD NOTIFICATION FOR AN SUP OF THIS SIZE. BUT ALLOW ME TO PULL UP THE REPORT VERY QUICKLY HERE ON THE CPC RESPONSES. YEAH, WE RECEIVED ONE IN OPPOSITION. NONE IN FAVOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. UH, THE LOCATION OF THIS SITE IS DOWNTOWN. UH, IS THIS THE HEART OF DOWNTOWN? CAN YOU HELP ME PUT IT INTO CONTEXT IN TERMS OF WHAT SURE. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SAY DOWNTOWN, EXACTLY, WHERE ARE WE HERE? HAPPY TO. SO IN TERMS OF THE LOCATION WITHIN DOWNTOWN, DOWNTOWN'S A FAIRLY LARGE AREA, AND THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS AND WAYS THAT THE CITY HAS CARVED UP DIFFERENT DISTRICTS WITHIN DOWNTOWN, UH, WITHIN THE 360 PLAN, THERE'S THE WEST END AREA AND THE MAIN STREET DISTRICT. THIS, LOOKING AT THE 360 PLAN IS SORT OF, I WOULD SAY IT STRADDLES BOTH THE WEST END AREA AND THE MAIN STREET DISTRICT. IT'S A BIT OF A, I DON'T WANNA SAY A, A DONUT HOLE OR ANYTHING WITHIN DOWNTOWN, BUT IT HAS NOT NECESSARILY RECEIVED, I THINK, THE SAME ATTENTION AND LEVEL OF DETAIL IN TERMS OF LONG RANGE PLANNING THAT THE REST OF DOWNTOWN HAS RECEIVED. IF WE LOOK AT THE, I WOULD CONSIDER THE HEART OF DOWNTOWN DIRECTLY NORTH OF HERE WHERE THE AT AND T DISCOVERY PLAZA IS, THAT IS CERTAINLY, I WOULD SAY IS ONE OF THE HEARTS OF DOWNTOWN THE WEST END DISTRICT. VERY MUCH, I WOULD SAY EITHER THE HEART OR AT LEAST IF WE'RE GONNA STAY ANATOMICAL, THE, THE LUNGS OF, UH, DOWNTOWN, THIS PARTICULAR AREA, IT HAS CURRENTLY STAYED DEVELOPED WITH A LITTLE MORE OF A, I WOULD SAY IT'S CHARACTERISTIC OF A DOWNTOWN AREA WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUTER TRAFFIC, UH, DURING THE MORNINGS AND EVENINGS, PEOPLE COMING IN, GOING TO WORK, MAYBE GOING TO GET SOME LUNCH AND THEN HEADING HOME IN THE EVENINGS. I THINK THAT WAS A CHARACTERISTIC OF A LOT OF DOWNTOWN DALLAS FOR CERTAINLY THE LAST FEW DECADES. AND THEN IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, DIFFERENT AREAS HAVE REDEVELOPED AND HAVE REVITALIZED AND HAVE GOTTEN MUCH MORE OF A, I DON'T WANNA SAY 24 7, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY, BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE AND RETAIL, UH, AS COMPARED TO THE PAST. BUT THIS PARTICULAR AREA, IT IS STILL VERY MUCH IN THAT CHARACTER OF PRE REVITALIZATION DOWNTOWN. THANK YOU. UH, ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP. YOU, YOU DID INCLUDE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS HERE IN YOUR PRESENTATION, AND THERE ARE SOME IN THE DOCKET. UH, AND I'M HOPING THAT YOU CAN PLACE THE PROPERTY WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT'S AROUND IT. YOU KNOW, SOME, SOMETIMES WE CAN ZOOM OUT THERE ON GOOGLE OR IF YOU VISIT THE SITE. UH, WHAT SURROUNDS THIS PROPERTY IN GENERAL? IN GENERAL, THERE'S A, UH, IN GENERAL THERE'S A MIX OF SURFACE PARKING AND OFFICE BUILDINGS. THERE IS A PARK TO THE NORTHEAST, AND I CAN PULL UP THE AERIAL PHOTO HERE, WHICH MIGHT BE THE BEST VIEW OF THAT. UH, AH, IT DOESN'T HAVE IT ON THE AERIAL, BUT THE PUBLIC PARK IS ACROSS THE CORNER, UM, OF COMMERCE STREET AND SOUTH GRIFFIN. SO HERE'S THE MCDONALD'S NORTHEAST OF THAT IS THE PUBLIC PARK. OTHERWISE IT IS A PRETTY PREDOMINANT, UH, SURFACE PARKING. SURFACE PARKING, THERE'S A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT FURTHER SOUTHEAST OF THERE, AND THEN SOME OFFICE BUILDINGS WITHIN [03:45:01] CLOSE PROXIMITY AS WELL. UH, IF WE LOOK AT THE PHOTOS HERE, WE DO SEE, I BELIEVE IT'S THE BANK OF AMERICA TOWER, UH, IN THE BACKGROUND THERE. UM, BUT THEN LOOKING HERE, FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S A SURFACE PARKING LOT THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE ZONING MAP AND THEN THAT PARKING GARAGE STRUCTURE AS WELL ON JACKSON STREET LOOKING SOUTH. THERE'S THIS SMALL PLOT, UH, OF LAND HERE NEXT TO THE OFFICES AND THEN HERE ON JACKSON, LOOKING WEST IN THE BACKGROUND, WE SEE THAT, UH, ADJACENT SURFACE PARKING, WHICH IS ALSO VISIBLE IN THE AERIAL PHOTO HERE. UM, LAST FOLLOW UP, UH, I THINK THIS IS LESS THAN HALF AN ACRE, IS THAT RIGHT? YES. LESS THAN HALF AN ACRE. AND DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, YOU KNOW, UH, IF WE ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, AND YOU, YOU DID MENTION SOME SURFACE PARKING LOTS. HOW MANY ACRES OF PARKING IS THERE AROUND THIS SITE? UH, I COULD NOT GIVE YOU A GOOD NUMBER OFF OF THAT QUESTION THAT I'M VERY BAD AT DOING THE, UH, OH, VISUALLY ESTIMATING, UH, LAND SIZE, COULD THERE BE, I WOULD, COULD THERE BE ACRES OF, OF SURFACE PARKING LOT AROUND THIS SITE? I THINK A COUPLE ACRES IS PROBABLY ACCURATE, YES. IF I HAVE TO GUESS. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOWL BY COMMISSIONER WILL, TO FOLLOW UP ON, ON THAT PARTICULAR VEIN OF, OF QUESTIONS, THE PARKING LOT THAT IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO, UH, THIS MCDONALD'S. DO YOU KNOW WHO USES THAT PARKING LOT? I'M NOT SURE WHO USES THE PARKING LOT. ARE YOU AWARE? WELL, IS IT NOT POSSIBLE THAT IS USED FOR THE COURT BUILDING THAT'S DIRECTLY, UH, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF, OF, OF, UM, MCDONALD'S, THE FEDERAL BUILDING? UH, IT, IT COULD BE USED FOR THAT POSSIBLY. YOU DID MENTION THAT ONE OF THE HEARTS OF DOWNTOWN WOULD BE THE AT AND T CENTER, UH, THE DISCOVERY PLAZA IN THE GENERAL AREA THERE WITH, UM, AKRON STREET AND, UM, AND COMMERCE. YES. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ALSO SAID THAT, UM, THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE USE WOULD BE FIRST THING IN THE MORNING, PEOPLE COMING INTO WORK AND LUNCH. UH, THAT WAS MORE OF A DESCRIPTION OF THE AREA IN GENERAL IN TERMS OF, I THINK TRAFFIC FLOWS OF WHEN YOU HAVE PREDOMINANTLY SURFACE PARKING AND, UH, OFFICE BUILDINGS, I THINK THAT YOU'RE GONNA MOSTLY SEE A MORNING PEAK, UM, AND AN AFTERNOON OR EVENING PEAK IN TERMS OF COMMUTERS COMING IN IN THE MORNING AND THE EVENING. UH, FOR THIS SITE IN PARTICULAR, I WOULD THINK THAT YOU HAVE A PEAK IN THE MORNING AND AT LUNCHTIME. UM, WERE YOU AWARE THAT I WORKED AT AT AND T? YES. WERE YOU AWARE THAT I USED THIS MCDONALD'S WHEN, WHEN I WORKED FOR AT AND T FROM THE DAY IT OPENED UNTIL I RETIRED IN 2013. I WAS NOT. WERE YOU AWARE THAT THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF USERS AT AT T THAT DRIVE THROUGH ON THE WAY TO WORK? SO WHILE THEY'RE RUNNING LATE TO WORK? UH, I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT OR THE GENERAL, UH, THE USE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE MCDONALD'S COMMISSIONER. BLAIR, DO YOU NEED TO RECUSE YOURSELF FROM THIS DISCUSSION? DO YOU NEED TO RECUSE YOURSELF FROM THIS DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE. UM, DO, DO YOU KNOW WHAT YEAR THIS, THIS MCDONALD'S BUILT? UH, I'M NOT SURE WHEN IT WAS BUILT. I KNOW THAT THE SUP, YOUR ORIGINAL SUP WAS, UH, ISSUED IN 2000. I DO KNOW THE BUILDING, I BELIEVE PREDATES THAT, BUT I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC OPENING DATE. AND, AND WAS IT ISSUED BECAUSE OF THE REMODEL TO, TO BRING IT, TO REMODEL IT SO IT CAN LOOK MORE MODERN? UH, THE ORIGINAL, UH, THE, THE INITIAL SUP, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE REASON FOR, UH, FOR IT WAS, BUT IF IT WAS FOR REMODEL IT, THAT PROBABLY WOULD'VE NECESSITATED, UH, RECEIVING AN SEP IF THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO THE, UH, BUILDING, BASICALLY IF THEY HAD REZONED THE AREA TO CA ONE AND HAD A DRIVE THROUGH, IT WOULD'VE BEEN PROBABLY NON-CONFORMING. AND THEN IF THERE WAS A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO THE PROPERTY THAT MIGHT HAVE TRIGGERED THE REQUIREMENT FOR AN SEP, WOULD YOU BE SURPRISED IF THIS MCDONALD'S HAS BEEN THERE SINCE THE FIFTIES? I THINK I WOULD BE A LITTLE SURPRISED, BUT NOT THAT IT WAS SURPRISED. IT WAS, IT WAS 1954. I MEAN, YES, WHEN IT WAS OPEN. UM, I UNDERSTAND THE 360 PLAN, UM, BUT ARE YOU ALSO IN, UM, AWARE OF THE AREA THAT IS ADJACENT TO IT THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS? UM, IS, IS, UH, GOING TO HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT AREA AND LONG ALONG ALSO WITH THE CONVENTION CENTER FOR EQUITY AND INCLUSION? UH, WELL, I, I'M AWARE OF THE GENERAL, UH, THE CITY'S EQUITY INCLUSION, UH, PLANS. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE ONES FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER THAT HAD BEEN ADOPTED YET. WOULD YOU BE SURPRISED THAT PART OF THE REASON, UM, THAT, UM, THAT THEY HAVE INCLUDED THAT PIECE IS BECAUSE OF THE, UM, BECAUSE, UH, IT HAS BEEN THE LONG FORGOTTEN AREA BECAUSE IT BACKS UP TO THE SOUTHERN, SOUTHERN DALLAS? UH, NO, I WOULD NOT FIND THAT SURPRISING. [03:50:02] ARE YOU AWARE THAT MOST OF THE EMPLOYEES ARE FROM SOUTHERN DALLAS? UH, I'M AWARE NOW. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SLEEPER. SO MY, MY QUESTION HAS TO DO, UH, I GUESS MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE FORWARD LOOKING. UM, I I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD DISAGREE THAT, UH, IN WALKABLE URBAN AREAS GENERALLY DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS WITH DRIVE THROUGHS ARE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU REALLY DON'T WANT IN A, IN A WALKABLE URBAN AREA. WOULD, WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT? I WOULD, YES. OKAY. AND, UM, I KNOW THAT THIS, THIS PART OF TOWN HAS, FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, BEEN SOMETHING OF A, WHAT SEEMS TO ME LIKE A DEAD ZONE FOR QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS. AND ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THAT, I THINK, UH, WAS GENERALLY CONSIDERED TO BE THE, THE BUS STATION, WHICH IS NOW RELOCATING. UM, BUT IN YEARS PAST, UH, THIS, THIS MCDONALD'S AND THE ACTIVITY AROUND MCDONALD'S WAS ALSO CONSIDERED TO BE A PROBLEM. I THINK THAT'S LESS TRUE TODAY THAN IT USED TO BE. I'M, I DON'T CLAIM TO BE AN EXPERT ON THAT, BUT I REMEMBER AT ONE TIME THERE WAS A LOT OF NEWS ABOUT THE DIFFICULTIES AROUND IT. ANYWAY, I GUESS WHAT I'M REALLY GETTING AT IS, UH, JUST THINKING ABOUT THE LONG TERM AND THE FACT THAT, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, JUST, JUST FROM READING ARTICLES IN THE NEWSPAPER, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UH, GROUPS THAT ARE NOW LOOKING AT THIS AREA AND, AND TARGETING IT AREA IS AN AREA WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO, UM, POSSIBLY SEE SOME FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. AND I WONDER IF, UM, IF YOU TALK TO ANY OF THOSE FOLKS TO SEE WHAT THEIR FEELING WAS ABOUT, UM, THE DESIRABILITY OF CONTINUING TO HAVE A, A DRIVE THROUGH AT THIS LOCATION? UH, NO. THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY, UH, ENGAGE IN, IN TERMS OF, I THINK AN ANALYSIS FOR A ZONING CASE OF AT LEAST OF THIS TYPE WITH HYPOTHETICAL OR POTENTIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. CERTAINLY IF SOMETHING STARTS MOVING ALONG WITH CHANGES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, UH, SHOULD THIS, SHOULD THIS SEP BE RENEWED, THEN WHEN IT COMES UP FOR ANOTHER RENEWAL, STAFF WOULD TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT AT WHAT'S CHANGED DOWN THERE. UH, AND THAT WOULD LIKELY, UH, AFFECT STAFF'S ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE FUTURE. UH, BUT GENERALLY WE DO NOT CONSIDER THE POTENTIAL, THE POTENTIAL THINGS THAT COULD OR COULD NOT HAPPEN WITH SOMETHING AROUND THERE, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S NOT A CONCRETE EXISTENCE. IT SOMETHING COULD CHANGE, A FINANCING DEAL COULD FALL THROUGH. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THE STAFF, UH, WANTS TO RELY ON FOR AN, FOR AN ANALYSIS. AND WAS THAT YOUR THINKING AS WELL IN TERMS OF THE IDEA OF A, UM, RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH FACILITY NOT BEING COMPATIBLE WITH WALKABLE URBAN DEVELOPMENT? IS IT SORT OF YOUR, YOUR SAME THINKING THAT YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT THINKING ALONG THOSE LINES BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT AREA IS NOW? IS THAT YES, AT THE, AT THIS TIME THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT? THERE IT IS, IT IS NOT SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY FOUND TO BE APPROPRIATE. UM, AND THE REASON THE STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL THE LAST TIME IT WAS UP. UH, AS SUCH, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY DETRACTING FROM POTENTIAL WALK. IT'S NOT DETER, DETRACTING FROM WALKABILITY AS THERE'S NOT MUCH WALKABILITY AT THIS TIME. BUT SHOULD THAT CHANGE IN THE FUTURE? IT WOULD, IT WOULD INCREASE THE INCOMPATIBILITY OF A USE THERE. COMMISSIONERS. ANY, UH, QUESTIONS FIRST ROUND BEFORE WE GO TO SECOND ROUND? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? THANK YOU. I GUESS AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE REVISED SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED, AND THERE'S A PEDESTRIAN AREA THAT'S SHOWN THAT I THINK IS TRYING TO MAYBE LOOK AHEAD TO INCREASED PE ENGAGEMENT, BUT IT'S BEING CROSSED BY, IT LOOKS LIKE TWO LANES OF VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. MM-HMM. , COULD YOU SPEAK TO HOW, I MEAN, DOESN'T THAT CREATE AN INHERENT CONFLICT ON THE SITE? I WOULD SAY THAT IT, THERE IS, IT, IT HAS MORE OF A CONFLICT THAN IF YOU HAD NO DRIVEWAY THERE. YOU'RE GOING TO, EVEN IN A WALKABLE DOWNTOWN AREA, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOME DRIVEWAYS THAT EXIST, WHETHER IT'S FOR PARKING LOTS OR PARKING GARAGES. UH, EVEN IN THE HEART OF MANHATTAN FOR INSTANCE, YOU HAVE GARAGES AND PARKING AREAS THAT YOU'LL HAVE A, UH, INCREASE IN TRAFFIC JUST FROM, FROM HAVING A DRIVEWAY THERE NEXT TO A SIDEWALK. UM, AND IF I MAY, SO YES, I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH LANES, NOT THE CURB CUT INTO THE SITE. GOT IT. [03:55:01] SO FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH LANES, SORRY, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY FOR ON COMMERCE OR ARE YOU SAYING THE DRIVE THROUGH LANES THEMSELVES? I BELIEVE THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE IS INTENDED TO BE ONE DRIVE THROUGH EXIT THERE. WELL, I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT WHAT APPEARS TO BE, YOU KNOW, A 20 FOOT PLUS WIDTH WHERE YOU'RE COMING OUT OF THE DRIVE. I SEE, YES. THROUGH CROSSING THE PEDESTRIAN PAVERS THAT THEN LEADS YOU TO COMMERCE STREET TO EXIT. I SEE. YES. UH, THAT WOULD BE A, YES. YOU WOULD HAVE, I GUESS, TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC THERE FOR VEHICLES TO BYPASS, PERHAPS IF THEY'RE NOT IN LINE OR IF THEY'RE EXITING THE PROPERTY. UH, YES, THAT WOULD BE A, UM, THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY INCREASE, UH, CONFLICTING, UH, THINGS THERE AND HOPEFULLY THE PE THE PAVERS AND STUFF WOULD SERVE TO AID MOTORISTS AND RECOGNIZING THAT THERE IS PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC POTENTIAL THERE. OKAY. AND THEN JUST ONE FOLLOWING UP ON ONE OF THE EARLIER DISCUSSION POINTS IN THAT, YOU KNOW, THE 360 PLAN AND THE STAFF'S REPORT SPEAKS ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF A CODE AMENDMENT. WE KNOW THAT SOMETHING THAT'S COMING THE REQUEST BEFORE US IS AN SUP FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH, BUT THERE'D BE NO QUESTION, I MEAN, THE, THE, THE USE ITSELF WOULD STAY ON THE GROUND. THIS IS ONLY A CONSIDERATION OF THE DRIVE THROUGH COMPONENT, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. THIS IS ONLY A CONSIDERATION OF THE DRIVE THROUGH COMPONENT. UH, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO DO WITH THE RESTAURANT ITSELF. IF THERE WAS NO RESTAURANT, IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED JUST A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVING OR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE. I BELIEVE THAT'S THE, UM, RIGHT USE AND, AND SO THEY COULD HAVE OTHER METHODOLOGIES THAT WOULD NOT HAVE THE DRIVE THROUGH THAT WOULD KEEP THAT FLEXIBILITY COMPONENT IN TERMS OF SERVICE. AND YEAH, I KNOW WE HAVE MANY MORE OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO US NOW AND HOW RESTAURANTS OPERATE IN TERMS OF SERVING THEIR CUSTOMER BASE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT YES, THERE WOULD BE STILL THE POTENTIAL TO RUN A RESTAURANT THERE. YES. OKAY. I'LL, I'LL FOLLOW UP THEN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. SINCE YOU MENTIONED THE, THE CODE AMENDMENT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MENTIONED IN THE, UH, 360 PLAN. I'LL JUST SPEAK TO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ON THAT AS TO WHY IT'S MENTIONED IN THE CASE REPORT, NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO IGNORE OR GLAZE OVER. UM, WHERE THE 360 PLAN CALLS FOR, UH, IN REGARDS TO DRIVE THROUGH, IT CALLS FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE CENTRAL AREA ZONING TO ADDRESS ISSUES SUCH AS DISALLOWING PRIMARY USES, SURFACE PARKING, DRIVE THROUGHS, MINI WAREHOUSE STORAGE USES GAS AND GAS STATIONS LIMITING THE OVER CONCENTRATION OF SIMILAR USES REQUIRING ADVISORY REVIEW BY THE URBAN DESIGN PEER REVIEW PANEL FOR ALL PROJECTS THAT IMPACT THE PUBLIC RATHER THAN ADJACENT TO RAIL TRANSIT. UH, REDUCING, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR MIX INCOME RENTAL PROJECTS, UH, ENHANCING STREETSCAPE AND PARKING GARAGE SCREENING REQUIRE ACCEPTABLE RANGE OF ALBEDO LEVELS ON ALL ROOFS. I STATE THOSE, ALL OF THOSE AT LENGTH TO MAKE THE POINT THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS CALLED FOR BY THE PLAN AS PART OF A LARGE PROCESS, UM, A CODE AMENDMENT THAT CONSISTENTLY COMMUNICATES TO THE PUBLIC AND THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY A, UM, A PLAN IS IN PLACE, UH, RATHER THAN LOOKING AT AN INDIVIDUAL USE AND SLING OUT AN INDIVIDUAL USE, WHICH IS WHY WE BROUGHT TO ATTENTION IN THE STAFF REPORT SECOND ROUND. COMMISSIONER KEYSTON, THIS PATH ALONG GRIFFIN STREET IS IN THE 360 PLAN ALSO DESIGNATED A CATALY CATALYTIC DEVELOPMENT AREA, CORRECT? I BELIEVE SO, YES. AND AS SUCH, IT'S CORE FUNCTION IS TO INCREASE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, UH, BETWEEN THIS PART OF DOWNTOWN AND OTHER PARTS OF TOWN, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. AND A DRIVE-THROUGH USE IS INHERENTLY IN CONFLICT WITH PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE TRAFFIC, RIGHT? IT WOULD INCREASE, IT WOULD CONFLICT WITH IT, YES. YEAH. UM, AND, AND I JUST TO BE CLEAR, I THINK THIS COMMISSIONER HAMPTON ASKED THIS QUESTION, BUT TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT AN SUP FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH. NO ONE'S TALKING ABOUT DISCONTINUING USE OF THE RESTAURANT, CORRECT? ONLY THE SEP FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH IS UP FOR A CONSIDERATION HERE WE'RE THE SEP TO BE DENIED. THE DRIVE THROUGH WOULD NO LONGER BE ALLOWED TO OPERATE, UH, BUT OTHER RESTAURANT FUNCTIONS WOULD BE ALLOWED TO OPERATE. AND IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UM, YOU'RE AWARE THAT THE COUNTY BUILT A LARGE PARKING GARAGE A COUPLE OF BLOCKS FROM THIS SITE? UH, YES. AND ARE YOU AWARE THAT THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW SOME OF THESE SURFACE PARKING LOTS THAT YOU IDENTIFIED, UM, ARE BEING TARGETED FOR REDEVELOPMENT IN LIGHT OF THAT NEW PARKING GARAGE? I AM AWARE THAT THERE'S BEEN TALKS ABOUT DEVELOPMENTS AROUND THE AREA. AS MENTIONED EARLIER, IT WASN'T REALLY PART OF A, THE STAFF ANALYSIS BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY IT HASN'T CHANGED OR BEEN DEVELOPED [04:00:01] YET. UH, BUT WE ARE AWARE THAT THERE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE. UH, AND ARE YOU AWARE THAT BANK OF AMERICA PLAZA, WHICH IS SORT OF CATTY CORNER TO THIS, HAS REDONE ITS PLAZA FACILITIES TO MAKE THEM MORE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED AND INVITING TO THE PUBLIC IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS? UH, THAT ONE I WAS NOT AWARE OF ACTUALLY, BUT THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH. UM, AND ARE YOU AWARE THAT HOUSTON STREET, A COUPLE OF BLOCKS FROM THIS SITE HAS UNDERGONE A TWO-WAY CONVERSION? YES. OKAY. AND ARE YOU AWARE WHEN THE RECORDS BUILDING WAS REDONE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THAT THEY INCLUDED A LARGE PARK-LIKE PLAZA OVER THEIR PARKING GARAGE THAT PROMOTES, UM, MORE WALKABILITY AND PEDESTRIAN USE, SORT OF LIKE THE PARK THAT'S CATTY CORNERED TO THIS SITE? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES. UM, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE WORKFORCE DOWNTOWN. DURING YOUR CONSIDERATION, THE, THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE AREA, DO YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION IN YOUR REVIEW? UH, NO. OKAY. SO THE OPERATOR, THE DRIVE THROUGH, WHO'S USING THE DRIVE THROUGH AND WHY DOESN'T COME INTO YOUR PURVIEW? CORRECT? CORRECT. IT WOULDN'T, THAT WOULD BE GETTING, I THINK MORE TO THE OP, OH, SORRY. UH, GETTING INTO THE OPERATIONAL SIDE OF THINGS, UH, THANK YOU. AS OPPOSED TO THE LAND USE ITSELF, UH, WHETHER IT WOULD BE OFFICE WORKERS NEARBY OR PEOPLE DRIVING THROUGH, UM, IT'S MORE ABOUT JUST, IS IT A DRIVE THROUGH? HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE USING IT IN GENERAL. GOTCHA. HOW MANY MILES OR BLOCKS WOULD ONE BE WILLING TO TRAVEL FOR FOOD IN A TRADITIONAL URBAN ENVIRONMENT? UH, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR THAT QUESTION, BUT I WOULD THINK WITHIN A VERY WALKABLE AREA, PEOPLE MIGHT BE WILLING TO WALK A MILE IN A VERY WALKABLE AREA. THANK YOU. AND WALKABLE AREAS IN YOUR EDUCATION, RIGHT? UM, WALKABLE AREAS CAN BE CONSIDERED IN DOWNTOWN AREAS WITH LARGE BUILDINGS, FACADES, DIFFERENT TYPES, BUILD TYPES, SO ON AND SO FORTH, CORRECT? UH, YES. I, I I WOULD SAY THAT A WALK WALKABILITY, IT'S NOT TO GET INTO MUCH OF AN ACADEMIC DISCUSSION HERE, BUT IT'S OFTEN NOT JUST ABOUT DISTANCE, BECAUSE DISTANCE, UH, SOMETHING COULD BE VERY CLOSE BY, BUT IT COULD BE AN UNPLEASANT WALK, WHEREAS SOMETHING COULD BE FURTHER AWAY, IT COULD BE A PLEASANT WALK. UH, GENERALLY CHARACTERISTICS, CHARACTERISTICS OF WALKABLE AREAS ARE AMPLE SIDEWALKS, CALM TRAFFIC NEARBY. UH, IF YOU HAVE LARGE BUILDINGS, THEN HAVING SOME SETBACKS FOR TALLER PARTS OF THEM, HAVING ARTICULATION, UH, TRANSPARENCY OF WALLS SO THAT YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU'RE JUST WALKING NEXT TO HUNDREDS OF FEET OF CONCRETE. THOSE ALL PLAY FACTORS INTO MAKING AN AREA FEEL WALKABLE. SO DO YOU THINK THE WALK FROM CITY HALL TO THIS MCDONALD'S IS A WALKABLE, FRIENDLY, WALKABLE PROCESS? MY PERSONAL OPINION, AND I DID WALK TO THE SITE FOR MY SITE VISIT, I WOULD CONSIDER IT A MEDIUM IN TERMS OF PLEASANTNESS, AND I KNOW THIS IS RATHER SUBJECTIVE HERE, BUT I WOULD CONSIDER IT MEDIUM. YOU DO HAVE THE CROSSING OF, UM, YOUNG STREET THAT IS A PRETTY WIDE STREET, UH, WHICH IS NOT GREAT TO CROSS, OTHERWISE IT'S NOT TERRIBLE. NOT TERRIBLE. OKAY. AND, UM, HOW, HOW LONG WAS THAT WALK? I WOULD ESTIMATE IT ABOUT A EIGHT MINUTE WALK. ONE DIRECTION. UM, WHAT ABOUT THE LANES ON THE STREET? THERE ARE THREE LANES ON GRIFFIN AND SEVERAL ON COMMERCE. DOES THAT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IN THE WALKABILITY OF THE AREA? I WOULD SAY THAT YES, THE CONFIGURATION OF ROADWAYS WILL PLAY INTO THE SENSE OF WALKABILITY OR THE ACTUAL WALKABILITY OF AN AREA. I WOULDN'T SAY THAT NUMBER OF LANES ALONE DICTATES, UH, THE WALKABILITY. SOME OF IT ALSO HAS TO DO WITH THE DESIGN OF IT AND THE WAY THAT TRAFFIC FLOWS THROUGH THERE. A, A THREE LANE, THREE LANE HIGHWAY WITH 40 MILE PER HOUR TRAFFIC OR FASTER IS GONNA FEEL A LOT MORE PEDESTRIAN UNFRIENDLY THAN A THREE LANE ROADWAY WHERE THE ACTUAL PAINTED LANES ARE NARROWER. YOU HAVE PARKING ON THE SIDES, UH, THINGS TO SORT OF BUFFER PEDESTRIANS AND KEEP THEM FEELING NOT SO RIGHT UP NEXT TO HEAVY TRAFFIC. SO COMING CLOSER TO THIS SITE, WHAT WAS YOUR EXPERIENCE IN CROSSING GRIFFIN? UH, IN CROSSING GRIFFIN? UM, I FOUND IT RELATIVELY UNREMARKABLE. IT'S A SOMEWHAT WIDE STREET. THERE ARE SUFFICIENT, UM, I THINK PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK SIGNALS AND, UH, MARKED CROSSWALKS SUCH THAT DOES NOT FEEL UNSAFE TO CROSS. UH, BUT IT IS A WIDE STREET. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER, WERE YOU THERE? UM, SINCE WE BROUGHT UP PARKING GARAGES IN PROXIMITY, UM, ARE YOU AWARE I I ACTUALLY GO TO THE DALLAS COUNTY TAX OFFICE EVERY SINGLE DAY UNLESS I'M AT CPC, I'M A TITLE RUNNER. UM, OR DO, DO, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THOSE PARKING GARAGES ARE ALWAYS [04:05:01] FILLED? THAT IT IS HARD TO PARK IN THOSE GARAGES BECAUSE THEY SERVICE THREE BUILDINGS? I WAS UNAWARE OF THE CAPACITY, UH, THE DALLAS COUNTY MAXIMIZING OF THAT? NO, THE DALLAS COUNTY RECORDS BUILDING THE OLD COURTHOUSE AND, UM, THE GOV. IS IT THE GEORGE ISLAND BUILDING? I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT. OKAY. IF THIS DRIVE THROUGH IS NO LONGER IN EXISTENCE AND PEOPLE HAVE TO PARK, WOULD THAT INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING LOTS NEEDED IN THE AREA OR WOULD YOU ASSUME THAT? I'M NOT SURE OF IF IT WOULD INCREASE THE DEMAND FOR PARKING THERE OR IF PEOPLE WOULD SIMPLY DRIVE TO, UH, OTHER RESTAURANTS? UM, THAT WOULD, I THINK THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN ANALYSIS OF THE ACTUAL ORIGINS AND DESTINATIONS OF, UH, VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, WHICH I THINK IS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF, UH, THE ZONING REVIEW. IT WOULD BE MORE OF A, SOMETHING THAT I THINK MCDONALD'S WOULD HAVE TO ANALYZE. YOU DID SAY SOMETHING KEY THAT THEY WILL DRIVE TO OTHER RESTAURANTS. UM, DO, ARE YOU, UH, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THIS SITE IS ON A, A GOOD TRANSIT LINE? UH, THE DART LINE? UH, DART DOES HAVE A FEW BUS ROUTES THAT GOES DOWN COMMERCE, YES. WHICH WILL BE FAVORABLE FOR EMPLOYEES GETTING TO WORK. THAT MIGHT HAVE TO CATCH THE, UM, BUS. ARE YOU ASKING WHAT'S OUR TRAIN? YES. UH, YES, IT'S AVAILABLE FOR EMPLOYEES, CUSTOMERS, UH, VISITORS, ALL SORTS? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER CHER, PLEASE TELL ME AGAIN, YOU SAID YOU DID NOT CONSIDER THE 360 PLAN IN YOUR ANALYSIS. UH, NO. WE DID CONSIDER THE 360 PLAN. YOU DID. WE, UH, WE DID, UH, LOOK AT IT AND WE DO FIND THAT TO AN EXTENT IT DOES. UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE HARD. I THINK IT WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO SAY THAT IT DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH SOME OF THE PRINCIPLES OF THE 360 PLAN, BUT WE DID LOOK AT IT MORE WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT SPECIFIC TO WHAT'S AROUND THE SITE AS WELL. AND I SAY THIS TO PRIME THE PUMP AS WE GET TOWARDS WORKING WITH FORWARD DALLAS. THIS IS NOT EVALUATED IN A FORWARD DALLAS SENSE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT. WE HAVE MORE CONCRETE LAND USES FOR INDIVIDUAL AREAS THAT YOU, YOU CAN HAVE, UH, BOTH CONSISTENCY AND DEGREES OF INCONSISTENCIES BECAUSE PLANS ARE, YOU KNOW, THE MULTIPLE GOALS. CAN YOU ACHIEVE ONE GOAL WHILE, UH, YOU KNOW, DETRACTING FROM ANOTHER? I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION WE'RE ALL GOING TO HAVE AS WE HAVE MORE PLANNED TO LOOK AT THAN EVER. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER BLAIR, I GOT ROUND. YOU SAID SOMETHING IN REGARDS TO, UM, OR THE DISCUSSION THERE WAS, THERE WAS DISCUSSION REGARDING, UM, LOOKING AT THIS SITE FOR WHAT IT IS TODAY, NOT WHAT IT COULD BE TOMORROW. IS THAT NOT CORRECT? UH, YES. OR NOT THE SITE PER SE, BUT ALSO THE SURROUNDING AREA. WE LOOKED AT THE EXISTING, UH, THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT AROUND THE SITE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, WAS CONSIDERED WAS THE, THE, THE, THE, WHAT WAS THE TRAFFIC AND THE, THE, THE AVAILABILITY OF, OR I SHOULD SAY, HOW, UM, THE USE THAT IS DIRECTLY TO THE WEST OF IT PAST THE PARKING LOT, THE, THE BUSTY PO. UM, THAT IT'S GOING AWAY MAYBE NEXT YEAR. IS THAT NOT CORRECT? I BELIEVE THAT IT HAS BEEN SOLD OR WILL BE SOLD SOON, YES. THAT GREYHOUND IS CEASING OPERATIONS THERE. SO THE CONSIDERATION OF WHAT GREYHOUND, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE WHAT YOU SEE TODAY ON THE GROUND AND WHAT YOU SEE ONCE GREYHOUND LEAVES, COULD THAT NOT THEN MAKE A CHANGE IN, IN WHAT WE SEE TODAY AROUND THAT COM, THAT AREA? WELL, CERTAINLY IF, IF GREYHOUND LEAVES AND SOMETHING CHANGES, THEN UH, YOU KNOW, IF THEY REDEVELOP THE SITE OR REBUILD SOMETHING ON THERE, THEN IT WOULD CHANGE. SOME OF IT WOULD CHANGE WHAT THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT IS AROUND THERE. AND IF THAT WERE THE CASE WHEN STAFF REVIEWED THIS, THEY MIGHT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD INFLUENCE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND ANALYSIS. BUT AT THE TIME OF STAFF REVIEW AND ANALYSIS, THE BUS DEPOT BUILDING IS STILL THERE. AND GREYHOUND EITHER RECENTLY VACATED OR HAS NOT. I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE STILL THERE YET, BUT AT THE TIME IT WAS, UH, STILL IN OPERATION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'LL NOW BEGIN THE PUBLIC HEARING. CAN YOU PLEASE REREAD IT INTO THE RECORD? THIS IS ITEM 11, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 1 39, AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2, 4 3, 1 FOR A RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE-IN OR DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICE ON PROPERTIES ZONE TO CA ONE, A CENTRAL AREA DISTRICT ON THE WEST LINE OF SOUTH GRIFFIN STREET BETWEEN COMMERCE STREET AND JACKSON STREET. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED SITE PLAN [04:10:01] AND AMENDED LANDSCAPE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. THANK YOU, SIR. I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE. UH, MR. BALDMAN, IT APPEARS THAT YOU HAVE QUITE A FEW FOLKS IN SUPPORT HERE. DO YOU KNOW IF THEY ALL INTEND TO SPEAK, WHICH IS FINE? UH, OR ARE THEY JUST HERE IN SUPPORT THAT WAY WE, WE KNOW, WE KNOW. IT'S LIKE FOUR SPEAKERS OF OF THE FOLKS SITTING BEHIND YOU. THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HERE FOR SUPPORT. OKAY. ALRIGHT, SO THEN WE'LL STAY, WE'LL STAY WITH THE THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, ROB BALDWIN, 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET SUITE. BE HERE WORKING WITH REPRESENTATIVE MCDONALD'S FOR THIS SUP RENEWAL AT 1000 COMMERCE STREET. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. WITH US IS CRAIG YORK, WHO'S THE OWNER OPERATOR OF MCDONALD'S, UH, SUZANNE KEDRON, WHOSE ATTORNEY WHO'S WORKING WITH ME ON THIS, AND ALSO, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM CORPORATE MCDONALD'S. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UH, AS YOU SAW AT THE BRIEFING, THIS IS THE SITE. IT IS, UH, ON THE CORNER OF COMMERCE, JACKSON AND GRIFFIN. UH, IT'S A SINGLE STORY, UH, DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT. THE REQUEST IS TO, UH, RENEW THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS AREA, WE ARE MOSTLY SURROUNDED BY, UH, SURFACE PARKING LOTS TODAY. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, IN ATTEMPT TO, UH, GARNER FAVOR FOR THIS REQUEST, WE HAVE PROPOSED A REVISED SITE PLAN FOR WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY. UH, IN THE REVISED SITE PLAN, WE'RE SHOWING CROSSWALKS ACROSS, UH, BOTH, UH, DRIVEWAYS. ONE ON GRIFF, I MEAN, ONE ON JACKSON, ONE ON COMMERCE. UH, WE'RE THROWING A DRIVE THROUGH LANES MOVED ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING, UH, TO TRY TO SOFTEN THE APPROACH. UH, WE'VE, WE'VE THE RELOCATED PARKING SPACES, WE'LL UTILIZE EITHER PAVERS OR STAMP CONCRETE, AGAIN, TO BE A MORE INVITING, UH, URBAN FIELD. UH, WE'RE PROPOSING SOLAR PANELS OVER SOME OF THE PARKING SPACES TO FACILITATE EV CHARGERS, UH, SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH CITY REGULATIONS AND THE EV CHARGING STATIONS. UH, THE PEDESTRIAN REALM HAS BEEN IMPROVED WITH PAVERS STAMPED CONCRETE, AND ENHANCED LANDSCAPING. UH, OVER, UH, TO THE PLAN SOUTHWEST HERE, WE'RE PROPOSING A POLLINATOR GARDEN WITH NATIVE PLANTS, UH, TO HELP WITH THE STREET SCAPE. AND FINALLY, UH, ALONG GRIFFIN STREET, WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, A DRIVE-THROUGH SCREENING OF SOME STAMPED CO UH, STAMPED METAL OF, TO MAKE A REALLY MORE ATTRACTIVE AND AND PLEASING ENVIRONMENT ALONG GRIFFIN STREET AND TO SCREEN THE, THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS IS JUST A BLOW UP OF THE, THE SITE PLAN SHOWING ALL THE STAMPED AND PAVED CONCRETES AND RELOCATED PARKING SPACES. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND THIS IS THE ENHANCED LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND, UH, UH, FACADE CHANGE. YOU CAN SEE THIS WITH, UH, THE POLLINATOR GARDENS, THE, THE NATIVE LANDSCAPING. AND SO WE THINK THAT WITH THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE, THE FACADE, THE LANDSCAPING, THE, THE PEDESTRIAN REALM, WE ARE MAKING THIS, UH, A BETTER URBAN NEIGHBOR. AND THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TURN THIS OVER TO, TO SUZANNE NOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. MEMBERS OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION, SUZANNE KEDRON, 2323 ROSS AVENUE DOWNTOWN. MCDONALD'S HAS BEEN PART OF THIS COMMUNITY FOR OVER 45 YEARS. THEY OPENED THEIR DOORS IN 1979 IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS. SO THEY HAVE BEEN A CORPORATE CITIZEN THAT LONG. ABOUT 24 YEARS AGO, THEY ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND THEY PURCHASED A STREET CALLED POSER STREET LOCATED ON THE WEST PART OF THE SITE. WHEN THEY PURCHASED THAT RIGHT OF WAY, IT WAS FOR THE EXPRESS INTENTION OF HAVING A DRIVE THROUGH MCDONALD'S, UM, TO EXPAND THE SITE, TO MAKE IT A DRIVE THROUGH MCDONALD'S. AT THAT TIME, THEY WERE GRANTED A 10 YEAR SUP WITH AUTOMATIC RENEWALS. THEY RENEWED THAT FOR THE FIRST 10 YEARS, AND THEN THEY REVIEWED IT FOR A SECOND 10 YEARS. AND AT, AFTER THAT TIME, THEY LOST THE RIGHT TO RENEW THE SUP WITH AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL. THEY WERE GIVEN ONE ADDITIONAL TIME TO GO FOR TWO MORE YEARS. UM, AND THEN WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU NOW FOR ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE, UH, WE FILED FOR 10 YEARS, UM, STAFF SUPPORTIVE OF FIVE. WE'RE HAPPY WITH FIVE, UM, FOR ANOTHER PERIOD OF TIME. THE POINT OF AN SUP IS TO REALLY LOOK AT THE SITE AND BE ABLE TO EVALUATE IT FROM A YEAR TO YEAR BASIS. UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT DRIVE THROUGH, UM, 60% OF THE BUSINESS COMES FROM THAT DRIVE THROUGH. SINCE COVID THAT HAS INCREASED, PEOPLE ARE INCREASINGLY NEEDING THIS AS A SAFE AND HEALTHY WAY TO EAT ALL 24 HOURS A DAY IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL SITE, AS YOU NOTED [04:15:01] IN THE STAFF BRIEFING, IT IS SURROUNDED BY PARKING. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. WE'VE CONTINUED TO BE A CORPORATE CITIZEN DOWNTOWN, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. BUT THE ONE THING THAT MCDONALD'S DOES DO IS EVALUATE AND THEY EVOLVE TO FIT THEIR SURROUNDINGS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 360 PLAN AND THE OTHER FORWARD DALLAS, WE CAN'T APPLY THOSE PLANS RETROACTIVELY. YES. CAN MCDONALD'S DO WHAT THEY CAN TO UPGRADE AND TO COME UP INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE PLANS? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO. WE'VE ADDED PEDESTRIAN PAPERS, UM, EV CHARGING STATIONS, UM, ENHANCED SCREENING. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS SLIDE, WHAT YOU SEE IS ON GRIFFIN, THERE'S NO CAR ACCESS. SO THAT MAINTAINS A THROUGH WAY FOR PEDESTRIANS. RIGHT NOW, THE SITE'S ACCESSED ON WEST COMMERCE AND WELL ON JACKSON, THE DRIVE-THROUGH DOES NOT INCREASE THE CURB CUTS THAT ARE NEEDED TO OPERATE THIS, THIS RESTAURANT, WHETHER IT BE A DRIVE THROUGH OR A RESTAURANT. SO WE'RE NOT INCREASING ANY, UM, CONFLICT WITH RESIDENT WITH PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THE NEW ENHANCED ELEVATION FOR THE PROJECT. UM, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STANDARDS FOR THE SUP, WE DO MEET THE STANDARDS. WE'VE HAD 24 YEARS OF COMPATIBILITY IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS. NOTHING AROUND US HAS CHANGED, BUT WE HAVE, WE'VE EVOLVED THE SITE. WE'VE ADDED UPGRADES. UH, WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO THAT AGAIN. UM, WE'VE SUPPORTING BUSINESSES, WE'VE SUPPORTED RESIDENTS. WE HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT EAT THERE. WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF CONSUMERS THAT USE THAT OPTION. UH, FOR FOOD. IT IS THE ONLY FOOD OPTION IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS BEFORE 6:00 AM AND AFTER 10:00 PM YES, THERE MIGHT BE A COUPLE OF BARS THAT SERVE FOOD, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S NO GROCERY STORE DOWNTOWN AND THE FOOD OPTIONS ARE LIMITED. SO IF YOU'RE A FAMILY AND YOU LIVE DOWNTOWN, IT'S AN OPTION THAT'S VERY MUCH NECESSARY. I USED TO LIVE DOWNTOWN. THAT'S TIME. AND WHEN I PICKED UP MY SON, I WOULD HAVE TO KNOW. THAT'S YOUR TIME. MS. KEDRON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR HONOR, CAN I JUST, IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAN I JUST ASK OUR SUPPORTERS TO STAND? 'CAUSE WE HAVE ASKED THEM NOT TO SPEAK, BUT WE WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS MCDONALD'S. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. GOOD AFTERNOON. DOES THAT WORK? OH, SORRY. . SORRY. MY NAME'S LEANNE LEWIS. I'M A RESIDENT DOWNTOWN AND A BUSINESS OWNER. MY HUSBAND AND I OWN CITY TAVERN ON ELM STREET, UM, AS WELL AS LIVING DOWNTOWN. UM, ALSO, WE ALSO HAVE A FOUR AND A HALF YEAR OLD DAUGHTER. ACTUALLY, I LIVE AT THE METROPOLITAN, WHICH IS LITERALLY ADJACENT TO MCDONALD'S. HOWEVER, I USED THE DRIVE THROUGH FOR THE, UH, THE, THE EASE OF THE, THE, THE EASE OF IT. ON OUR WAY TO SCHOOL, JORDAN, EVERY MORNING I WENT TO GO, MOM, CAN WE GO TO OLD MCDONALD'S? OKAY. SO I TAKE HER IN MY CAR, WE GO THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH. UM, IF I DIDN'T HAVE THAT OPTION, I'M NOT GONNA GO PAY TO PARK RIGHT NEXT DOOR, TAKE HER OUTTA THE CAR, GO INSIDE, GO OUT, EVEN THOUGH I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THERE, THE CONVENIENCE OF IT IS WHAT MAKES IT FOR US AS, UM, CITIZENS DOWNTOWN, LIVING DOWNTOWN EASY. YOU MIGHT NOT THINK THAT, OH, WHY DON'T YOU JUST WALK THERE? WELL, GETTING A FOUR AND A HALF YEAR OLD OUT TO, YOU KNOW, UM, GO INSIDE, GET OUR HAPPY MEAL, AND THEN GO BACK TO CAR AFTER I PAID A DOLLAR TO PARK. UM, AND NOT ONLY THAT, UM, I FEEL LIKE THE MCDONALD'S, THE, UH, DRIVE-THROUGH STAFF, LIKE I RECOGNIZE MANY OF THEM. IT'S BECOME, YOU KNOW, THEIR CULTURE. THEY'VE BUILT THEIR FRIENDLY, THEIR FRIENDLY FACES, THE SMILES ON EVERYBODY'S FACE. UM, I JUST THINK IT'S A NECESSITY TO HAVE. UM, I USE IT ALL THE TIME. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ALSO LIVE DOWNTOWN DRIVE THERE. UM, SO THAT'S ALL TO SAY. THANKS. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT? OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? YES, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. UH, DUSTIN BULLARD, 900 JACKSON STREET, UH, WITH CHARTER HOLDINGS, ALSO AT DOWNTOWN RESIDENT. UH, I COME BEFORE YOU TODAY TO ASK YOU TO DENY THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE DRIVE-THRU RELATED TO THIS CASE AT 1000 COMMERCE STREET IS A 20 YEAR RESIDENT OF DOWNTOWN DALLAS. I'M PROUD TO HAVE PLAYED A ROLE IN DOWNTOWN'S EVOLUTION, WHETHER IT WAS HELPING CRAFT THE DOWNTOWN DALLAS 360 PLAN, WHICH MANY OF YOU HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT TODAY, OR WORKING TO DELIVER THE DOWNTOWN PARKS, ONE OF WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THIS SITE. UH, IN ADDITION TO OTHER GREAT PROJECTS LIKE THE AT T DISCOVERY DISTRICT, NO LONGER IS DOWNTOWN DALLAS. A CAR-CENTRIC ONLY ENVIRONMENT. THROUGH MUCH WORK STREETS LIKE COMMERCE STREET HAVE BEEN NARROWED, SIDEWALKS HAVE BEEN EXTENDED AND EXPANDED. SURFING PARK SERVICE PARKING LOTS HAVE, HAVE NOW BEEN TRANSFORMED INTO NEW PARKS. AND 15,000 PEOPLE CALL THIS GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD HOME. [04:20:01] A DRIVE-THROUGH IS A USE THAT IS INCONGRUENT WITH WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS BY THEIR NATURE DRIVE-THROUGHS CREATE MORE HARM TO URBAN ENVIRONMENTS THAN GOOD CUSTOMERS ARE LOOKING TO GET IN AND OUT OF THIS AREA AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, NEVER GETTING OUT OF THEIR VEHICLES. BASED ON PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS THIS APPLICANT, UH, SAID AT THE LAST CPC MEETING TWO YEARS AGO, UH, IF I EXTRAPOLATE THE NUMBERS THAT WERE SHARED WITH THIS BODY, THEN UH, THIS USE COULD BE GENERATING WELL OVER 200,000 CARS A YEAR. THAT IS AN EXTREME NUMBER OF CARS ON OUR DOWNTOWN STREET NETWORK. A STATED GOAL OF THE 360 PLAN, WHICH WE HAVE NOT MENTIONED AT THIS MEETING TODAY, IS THE REDUCTION OF VEHICULAR SHORT TRIPS. THIS IS A USE THAT BY ITS NATURE, IS INCREASING VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND SHORT TRIPS, WHICH DOES NOT ALIGN WITH VISION OF THE 360 PLAN. ADDITIONALLY, MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR K BAILEY CON K BAILEY HUTCHINSON CONVENTION CENTER WILL BE RECONSTRUCTED VERY CLOSE TO THIS SITE. THIS SITE IS IN THE CENTER OF EVERYTHING. AS WE MOVE FORWARD AS A CITY, WE HAVE TO CONNECT FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER TO THE WEST END, TO THE MAIN STREET DISTRICT TO ALL OF OUR GREAT NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS SITE IS IN CONFLICT WITH THAT. BASED ON MY RESEARCH, THIS IS THE ONLY DRIVE THROUGH IN URBAN DALLAS. MAYBE THE ONLY DRIVE THROUGH IN ALL OF ANY TEXAS DOWNTOWN. SHOULD WE BE PROUD OF THAT? I WOULD ARGUE NO. SO, UH, WITH THAT, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. WE DO OWN NINE HUNDREDS ACTION, WHICH IS DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THIS. WE ALSO OWN THE GREYHOUND TERMINAL BUILDING, WHICH WAS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY. A COUPLE CLARIFYING POINTS. UH, THERE ARE TWO ADDITIONAL OWNERS, OURSELVES INCLUDED, THAT DID SUBMIT AFFIDAVITS IN OPPOSITION YESTERDAY. I UNDERSTAND WE MISSED THE DEADLINE BY LIKE AN HOUR OR TWO. THAT SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKET. YOU SHOULD ALSO HAVE LETTERS FROM OTHER OWNERS, UH, IN THE AREA. AND THE OTHER ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION, WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT CIVIC GARDEN PARK, HOWEVER, NO ONE HAS MENTIONED THAT YOU DO HAVE A PUBLIC PARK DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THIS LOCATION, WHICH IS JUST TO THE EAST OF FOUNDER SQUARE. THAT IS A PUBLIC PARK. UH, THE SCHOOL KIDS WITH PEGASUS CHARTER SCHOOL USE THAT QUITE OFTEN. I OFFICE RIGHT THERE ON THE GROUND FLOOR, SIR. SO JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, SIR. A COUPLE THINGS THERE, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOUR TIME IS UP. THANK YOU. THERE ARE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS, MR. BALDWIN, YOU DO GET A REBUTTAL TIME. MS. KEDRON. AS STATED BEFORE, MCDONALD'S HAS BEEN A GOOD CORPORATE CITIZEN FOR 45 YEARS, 24 YEARS OF THAT THEY'VE HAD THE DRIVE THROUGH WORKING COMPATIBLY. THERE MIGHT BE A TIME WHEN THE DRIVE THROUGH'S NOT APPROPRIATE, BUT NOW IS NOT THE TIME FOR THAT. WE ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER US TO HAVE A FEW MORE YEARS ON OUR DRIVE THROUGH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER READ, I, I I I'VE, WE'VE HEARD FROM ALL THE SPECIALISTS, THOSE, UH, WHO ARE SPEAKING TO MCDONALD'S. UM, BUT I WOULD LOVE IF ABLE TO HEAR FROM AN EMPLOYEE, THE, THERE'S OVER 50, ALMOST 50 EMPLOYEES THAT ARE, UM, IMPACTED BY WHATEVER WE CHOOSE TODAY. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT ANY ONE OF 'EM FEEL COMFORTABLE COMING TO THE PODIUM? HELLO? UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. SURE. MY NAME IS ALFREDO GOMEZ. UH, 1810 SHORELINE DRIVE. UH, A LITTLE BIT ON THE SPOTLIGHT HERE. SO, EXCUSE MY NERVOUSNESS, BUT I'VE BEEN WORKING FOR CRAIG YORK AND, UH, CRAIG ORGANIZATION FOR GOING ON 14 YEARS, UH, FOR MCDONALD'S GOING ON 20 YEARS IN MARCH. UH, I STARTED AS A HIGH SCHOOL SOPHOMORE. AND THE REASON THAT I'M HERE AND THAT ALL THE PEOPLE BEHIND ME ARE HERE IS TO SUPPORT CRAIG AND TO SUPPORT THIS, UH, DRIVE THROUGH LOCATION THAT WE HAVE IN, UH, DOWNTOWN DALLAS. IT'S ONE OF OUR MOST IMPORTANT LOCATIONS, AND IT'S AN ICON, I FEEL LIKE FOR OUR ORGANIZATION. UM, THE REASON THAT WE ARE HERE IN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IS THE LIVES THAT THIS DECISION IS GONNA IMPACT EITHER POSITIVELY OR NEGATIVELY MOVING FORWARD. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT RELY ON OUR MCDONALD'S. NOT JUST CUSTOMERS, BUT ALSO THE EMPLOYEES. NOT JUST THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE, BUT WE HAVE A GM, WE HAVE A SUPERVISOR, WE HAVE A DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS, AND WE ALSO HAVE AN OWNER AND ALL THAT. THIS DECISION IS GONNA IMPACT EVERYBODY, RIGHT? SO WE JUST ASK THAT YOU GUYS TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT. THE FIVE YEARS WILL BE GREAT. WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT. IT'S, WE WILL BE EXTREMELY [04:25:01] GRATEFUL FOR THAT SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO EVOLVE. ALL THE PLANS THAT YOU SEE RIGHT HERE ARE NOT EASY. THEY REQUIRE A LOT OF INVESTMENT THAT CRAIG IS WILLING TO MAKE SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN CONSIDER US. AND, UH, I KNOW THERE'S A, THERE'S PLANS FOR DALLAS AND THAT'S GREAT. I'VE BEEN LIVING IN DALLAS ALMOST MY WHOLE LIFE. I LOVE HOW WE'VE EVOLVED, HOW THE CITY HAS EVOLVED. UH, I'VE SEEN IT SINCE I'VE BEEN GROWING UP. I LOVE WORKING IN DALLAS. WE RUN, UH, MULTIPLE LOCATIONS IN THIS CITY AND WE LOVE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE FOR EVERYBODY HERE. THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE EVENTS THAT HAVE BEEN CRITICAL TO THE CITY WHERE MCDONALD'S HAS STOOD STRONG, INCLUDING COVID, INCLUDING THE SHOOTINGS IN EL CENTRAL. WE WERE THERE. WE NEVER CLOSED. AND WE PROVIDED FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. THANK YOU, SIR. HELLO EVERYONE. UM, SEAN MITCHELL. I'VE BEEN WITH MCDONALD'S FOR IT WOULD BE 40 YEARS. UM, I, THE GENTLEMAN SECOND TO AGO SAID, SHOULD WE BE PROUD OF BEING THE ONLY DRIVE THROUGH? YES, WE SHOULD BE. YES, WE SHOULD BE. UM, JUST BEING IN THE AREA COMING DOWN RIGHT NOW AND COMING TO THE STORE, YOU HAVE TO GET OUTTA YOUR CAR. YOU HAVE TO PAY TO COME IN, OKAY. AND TO COME INTO THE STORE, EVEN IF YOU'RE GONNA BE THERE FIVE MINUTES, YOU HAVE TO GO FIND A PARKING SPOT. I COULDN'T IMAGINE LIVING IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND WANTING TO VISIT THE STORE AND HAVE TO PAY. I MEAN, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE DRIVING, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA BE COMING IN, ESPECIALLY FOR BREAKFAST. THEY HAVE TO DRIVE THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY PROBABLY LIVE TOO FAR TO ACTUALLY WALK. YOU KNOW, I ASKED A QUESTION TO SOMEONE EARLIER. I SAID, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR STORES IS LEMON AVENUE. THAT STORE'S BEEN REVIVE RE RE IMAGED OVER AND OVER. AND I ASKED, WHY IS IT ALWAYS, WHY DO, WHY ARE WE ALWAYS DOING THIS? MCDONALD'S WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES. WE'RE ALWAYS RE-IMAGING ALWAYS. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE IN CONSIDERATION. THEY'RE GONNA DO WHATEVER IT TAKES NO MATTER WHAT THE COST TO MAKE IT WORK. WE'VE ALWAYS DONE THAT. PLEASE THINK ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. FOLKS, UH, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? MR. RUBIN, PLEASE. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR MS. KEDRON OR MR. BALDWIN OR SOMEONE FROM THE MCDONALD'S TEAM, BUT, UM, HAPPY TO GIVE IT A SHOT. I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU THE FIRST SHOT, MR. BALDWIN. FEEL FREE TO KICK IT DOWN TO, UH, SOMEONE ELSE. SO THIS WAS NOT THE ONLY MCDONALD'S THAT THIS OPERATOR HAS OPERATED DOWNTOWN, CORRECT? YES, THAT'S TRUE. HE'S HAD OTHER LOCATIONS IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS. YEAH. AND THERE WAS ONE, I THINK NEAR THE WEST END TRAIN STATION THAT CLOSED SOMETIME AROUND THE PANDEMIC, RIGHT? YES, IT WAS CLOSED DUE TO A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND CRIME REASONS. OKAY. HOW LONG WAS THAT ONE OPERATING FOR? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. ABOUT 10 YEARS. 10 YEARS, OKAY. AND THAT ONE OPERATED WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, 'CAUSE IT WAS RIGHT ON THE DART AREA. OKAY. AND WHERE ARE THE OTHER ONES THAT THIS, THERE'S ONE IN, UM, PACIFIC. IS THAT THE NAME OF THE BUILDING WHERE THE ICE SKATING RINK USED TO BE? PLAZA THE AMERICAS. AND THEN IT CLOSED DURING COVID RIGHT BEFORE OKAY. ALSO A COVID CLOSURE. YEAH. OKAY. NO, NO DRIVE THROUGH AT THAT ONE EITHER? NO. 'CAUSE IT'S INSIDE INTERIOR TO A BUILDING. OKAY. BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE, UM, THE CURRENT OPERATOR IS ABLE TO INNOVATE AND DO OTHER THINGS. UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT HE CAN DO THAT AT THIS LOCATION TOO, BUT THE POINT IS, I DON'T BELIEVE NOW'S THE TIME, BUT HE CAN CERTAINLY, UH, INNOVATE AND HE'S BEEN A GOOD CORPORATE CITIZEN UP TO THIS POINT. SO I CAN'T REMEMBER. I THINK IT WAS MAYBE MR. BALDWIN WHO HANDLED THE CASE LAST TIME AROUND IN 2022. IS THAT RIGHT? KIND OF. KIND OF. WERE YOU LATE TO THE PARTY? THAT IS, THAT I WAS, I WAS WAY LATE TO THE PARTY. OKAY. A FRIEND OF MINE WAS THE APPLICANT AND [04:30:01] I CALLED HIM, TOLD HIM HE WAS HAVING A PROBLEM AND SHOULD GET DOWN HERE. AND, AND SO I KIND OF GOT INVOLVED THAT WAY, BUT I WAS NOT THE APPLICANT ON THE LAST ONE. OKAY. AND, AND AROUND THAT TIME, I THINK SOME OF THE, THE, THE MESSAGE THAT MAYBE SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES OR MAYBE EVEN I MAY HAVE SUGGESTED IS, OKAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA EXTEND THIS SUP FOR TWO YEARS, BUT COME 2024, IT'S GONNA BE AT THE LEAST OF A CHALLENGING SELL TO KEEP THIS OPEN, CONSIDERING THAT IT'S A DRIVE-THROUGH DOWNTOWN. IF WE WERE TO EXTEND THIS SUP AGAIN FOR FIVE YEARS, AS Y'ALL ASKED, DO, DO YOU ENVISION COMING BACK IN FIVE YEARS TO ASK FOR ANOTHER EXTENSION? OR IS THE THOUGHT THAT THE DRIVE-THROUGH ITSELF WOULD WIND DOWN AND THAT IT WOULD JUST OPERATE AS A FREESTANDING MCDONALD'S WITHOUT A DRIVE-THROUGH? I THINK THAT MOST PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, IN FIVE YEARS, IF THE PARKING LOTS AROUND US ARE STARTING TO BE REDEVELOPED AND WE SEE MOVEMENT THERE, THEN RENEWING THIS SUP MIGHT NOT BE IN THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST. RIGHT NOW, WE ARE THE ONLY ACT OF USE FOR BLOCKS, AND WE THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE MAKES A LOT OF SENSE AND IT'S WORTH RECONSIDERING AT THIS POINT. MAYBE IN FIVE YEARS IT MIGHT NOT MAKE SENSE, BUT I THINK IT DOES MAKE SENSE TODAY. OKAY. AND HOW MANY OTHER LOCATIONS DOES THIS OPERATOR OPERATE IN THE, THE CITY? WE HAVE THAT JUST A SECOND. SEVERAL. I BELIEVE IT'S 14, 13. OKAY. AND WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE CLOSEST ONE BESIDES THIS ONE? UH, THERE IS ONE ON LEMON THAT WAS MENTIONED BEFORE THAT, UM, I HAVE 'EM BROKEN DOWN BY DISTRICTS. MS. KEDRON, MAKE SURE YOU'RE ON THE MIC. SO THE FOLKS I CAN HEAR YOU. I'M SORRY, I TO BROKE THEM DOWN BY DISTRICTS. THERE'S ONE IN DISTRICT TWO, ONE IN FOUR, ONE IN SIX, ONE IN SEVEN, FOUR IN DISTRICT NINE, ONE IN 10, ONE IN 13 AND FOUR IN DISTRICT 14. DID I HEAR THAT THE RIVERSIDE AND ROSS AVENUE ONES ARE ALSO THIS, THIS APPLICANT'S? YES. OKAY, GREAT. I THINK I, I MAY HAVE SOME MORE FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL LET OTHER COMMISSIONERS ASK QUESTIONS NOW. THANK YOU MR. BRA. AND A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT ONE OF YOUR SLIDES THAT YOU SHOWED WITH THE SURFACE PARKING. YES, SIR. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN POP THAT BACK UP THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I ASKED MR. BATES A VERY MR. BAT, UH, VERY UNFAIR QUESTION. AND TO BE FAIR, I'M GONNA ASK YOU THE VERY SAME UNFAIR QUESTION. I'VE NOT MEASURED IT UHHUH, BUT IT'S, WE'LL PULL IT UP. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE WE'RE A HALF ACRE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE A LITTLE LESS THAN A HALF ACRE. UH, KEEP GOING TORI, PLEASE. THAT ONE. OH, KEEP GOING. THAT ONE. IF EVERYTHING IN THE YELLOW IS SURFACE PARKING AND WE'RE, UH, A HALF ACRE, HOW, HOW, HOW FAR OUT DO YOU WANT TO GO? YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UM, THE, THE BLOCK IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO US, THAT WOULD BE SIX ACRES, GIVE OR TAKE A BLOCK TO THE NORTH OF US. LOOKS LIKE IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT. SO MAYBE SEVEN ACRES. UM, I'VE NOT DONE THE MATH, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF VACANT, POSSIBLY 50 ACRES POSSIBLY. I I DO KNOW THAT DALLAS HAS THE MOST SURFACE PARKING OF ANY MAJOR CITY, UH, OF OUR SIZE IN THE UNITED STATES. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, PLEASE. WOULD YOU SHOW THE REVENUE FIGURES AGAIN WITH THE SLIDE WITH THE REVENUE FIGURES? YEAH. WE DON'T, IT, I BELIEVE THEY WERE USAGE FIGURES. I DON'T THINK WE HAD REVENUE FIGURES. OH, I THOUGHT IT WAS THE USAGE THAT SHOWED, UH, ABOUT 61%, ALMOST 62 THAT USED THE DRIVE THROUGH. AND THESE ARE, AND WE ALSO BROKE IT DOWN BY TIME OF DAY. ONE THING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT ABOUT THIS IS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT USE THIS ARE SHIFT WORKERS. SO IF YOU'RE ON A SHIFT AND YOU GET OFF AT A CERTAIN TIME, IT WAS INTERESTING 'CAUSE WHEN I CAME IN TODAY TO CHECK IN THROUGH THE SECURITY DOWNSTAIRS, I MENTIONED TO THEM THAT I WAS WORKING ON IT. AND THE FIRST THING THE GUY SAID TO ME IS, WHEN I GET OFF FROM CITY HALL, 'CAUSE I LIVE OVER BY AMERICAN AIRLINE CENTER, HE SAYS TO ME, I ALWAYS STOP AT THE MCDONALD'S TO GET SOMETHING TO EAT BECAUSE HE GOES OVER THERE AND DIRECTS TRAFFIC AT NIGHT. SO THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT USE IT, ESPECIALLY FROM THOSE UH, HOURS. BUT WHEN I LIVED DOWNTOWN, I USED IT WHEN MY SON WAS YOUNGER AND GOING TO SCHOOL, I USED IT. SO IT'S, IT'S ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF PEOPLE THAT USE IT. AND OFTEN I'D GO INTO WORK BEFORE SIX, SO I'D STOP THERE AND GET A CUP OF COFFEE. IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THIS, UH, STORE WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE PROFITABLE WITHOUT THE, UH, DRIVE THROUGH? YES, SIR. AND I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY IT MIGHT EVEN CLOSE SINCE SIGNIFICANT PART OF THEIR BUSINESS IS DUE TO, UH, DRIVE, DRIVE THROUGH SALES. THANK YOU, SIR. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS FOR THE APPLICANT OR OUR SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER KING. I ASSUME THAT ALL THE EMPLOYEES SITTING IN [04:35:01] THE AUDIENCE DON'T WORK AT THE DOWNTOWN STORE. THEY HAVE 70 EMPLOYEES THAT WORK AT THE DOWNTOWN STORE, AND THE, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE 70 THAT WORK DOWNTOWN LIVE WITHIN THREE MILES. SO, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES OF THESE IN PARTICULAR WORK DOWNTOWN, BUT THEY HAVE ALL THOSE STORES, SO THEY COME FROM A DIFFERENT, UM, EVERYWHERE. RIGHT. THEY'RE ALL INTERESTED BECAUSE THEY'RE EMPLOYEES. MY QUESTION IS THE PEOPLE ARE SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE COME FROM THE 13 DIFFERENT STORES. MAJORITY DOWNTOWN. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. ER. UM, DO YOU KNOW, UM, HOW FAR DO THE MAJORITY OF THE EMPLOYEES DOWNTOWN COME FROM AND HOW MANY USE THE TRANSIT SYSTEM? THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. YOU DON'T HAVE THE STATS ON THAT? I DON'T HAVE CAN YOU COME TO THE MIC? WE, WE NEED TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE. PLEASE. PLEASE. CAN YOU COME TO THE MIC? A MAJORITY OF . I'M SORRY. A MAJORITY OF THOSE THAT ARE PRESENT WORK AT THE ONE DOWN AT THE, AND, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ACTUALLY TAKE TRANSIT. I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER OF WHO TAKES TRAIN TO WORK. CAN YOU COME TO THE MIC MA'AM, PLEASE? I APOLOGIZE. COMMISSIONER, I WAS GONNA HELP TRY TO GET AN ANSWER. MAY I ASK FOR A SHOW OF HANDS? HOW MANY FOLKS TAKE TRANSPORTATION TO GO TO WORK? OKAY. FOR OUR FOLKS ONLINE. UM, I THINK MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE HANDS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT? ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR, UH, SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION? COMMISSIONER HERBERT F COMMISSIONER ? YES. FOR THE GENTLEMAN, UM, YOU MENTIONED 200,000 VEHICLES COMING TO THAT MCDONALD'S. ARE YOU, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THOSE, SOME OF THOSE, IF NOT A LARGE NUMBER OF THOSE ARE DRIVING IN ONLY FOR THE MCDONALD'S OR THAT'S THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC DOWNTOWN THAT HAS JUST SO HAPPENED TO GO THERE? SO I DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE I DON'T WORK FOR MCDONALD'S. UH, I EXTRAPOLATED THAT OUT BASED ON THE LAST TIME THIS APPLICANT CAME TO THIS BODY. UH, THEY HAD USED A NUMBER OF HOW MANY CARS, UH, OR THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH A CERTAIN TIME. SO JUST BASIC MATH. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. COMMISSIONER, WE THERE, ARE YOU A RESIDENT OF DOWNTOWN DALLAS OR ARE YOU A CORPORATE ENTITY OF DOWNTOWN DALLAS? BOTH. I OWN A CONDOMINIUM IN DOWNTOWN. I'VE LIVED DOWNTOWN 20 YEARS IN DIFFERENT BUILDINGS. BUT I DO OWN AND LIVE, UH, AT A CONDO AT ELMAN AGAR STREET. AND THEN I WORK FOR COMPANY CHARTER HOLDINGS. UH, WE OWN FOUNDER SQUARE, AGAIN, 900 JACKSON DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY. WE RECENTLY BOUGHT THE GREYHOUND TERMINAL AND WE OWN THE FORMER DALLAS MORNING NEWS COMPLEX, WHICH IS JUST ABOUT FOUR BLOCKS FROM THIS SITE. SO WOULD YOU SAY THAT BE BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY OF WHAT YOU HAVE BOUGHT TO REINVEST, THAT IS THE REASON THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED WITH THE DRIVE-THROUGH? I'M CONCERNED WITH THE DRIVE-THROUGH AS AN URBANIST AND AS AN URBAN PLANNER. I THINK IT IS AN INCONGRUENT USE WITH A TRANSITIONING DOWNTOWN AND WITH A CITY THAT WANTS TO CREATE A VIBRANT DOWNTOWN AND A CONVENTION CENTER PROJECT THAT WE'RE INVEST INVESTING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN. ARE YOU AWARE, AS A QUESTION THAT I ASKED THE, UM, THE CURRENT PLANNER THAT'S ON THIS CASE, THAT PART OF THE INVESTMENT THAT HAS BEEN THE REASON THAT IT WAS THIS INVESTMENT IN THAT PART OF DOWNTOWN WAS BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO SOUTH DALLAS AND THAT DEVELOPERS PREVIOUSLY DID NOT SEE THAT THAT PART OF THE COMMUNITY WAS THAT PART OF DOWNTOWN AND THE ADJACENT SOUTHERN SECTOR WAS WORTH INVESTING INTO? WELL, I THINK THAT'S AN UNFORTUNATE PART OF OUR HISTORY. MM-HMM. I THINK THAT THE SOUTHERN SECTOR OF DALLAS, AND SOME OF YOU KNOW THIS, I WAS ON THE CLUB COMMITTEE, UH, IN ITS EARLY PHASES, UH, AND IT WORKED ON MANY OTHER CASES. I THINK THE SOUTHERN AREA OF OUR CITY IS RIPE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. AND WERE YOU AWARE THAT THE SELLING POINT, UM, FOR THE, FOR THAT PART OF DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE CONVENTION CENTER WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS EQUITY AND CONCLUSION THAT WAS GOING TO BE HIRING AND THE PEOPLE THAT WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO, TO, UM, BE INVESTED IN WAS GONNA COME FROM THE SOUTHERN SECTOR AND THOSE WHO ARE LOWER INCOME, UM, EARNERS? WITHOUT A DOUBT. I'M AWARE OF THAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONER TURNER, PLEASE, SIR. UH, IN, IN THE LAST TIME THAT, UH, THIS CAME THROUGH TWO YEARS AGO, UM, I WASN'T HERE, SO I DON'T KNOW THE, I'M STILL NOT, UH, KIND OF FULLY CLUED IN ON THE CONTEXT IN THAT MEETING. [04:40:01] WAS, WAS IT SORT OF, WAS IT ONLY TWO YEARS GRANTED, BECAUSE THIS WAS SORT OF A WIND DOWN PERIOD. WHAT WAS THE REASONING FOR TWO YEAR APPROVAL LAST TIME AS OPPOSED TO A FIVE YEAR? UH, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM REVIEWING THE CPC VIDEO FROM THE LAST TIME THIS WAS UP IS, I BELIEVE IT WAS INTENDED, UH, BY, UH, THE COMMISSION FOR, I GUESS YOU COULD CALL IT WINDING DOWN OR FOR AT LEAST REVISITING IT MORE OFTEN, IF NOT FOR WINDING DOWN. YES. COMMISSIONER BLAIR? UM, WHEN, WHEN YOU SAYING THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WHEN WE ARE SAYING THAT THE, THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS UP FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF KAY BAILEY HUTCHINSON CENTER AND, AND IT MOVING UP, UM, TO THIS PARTICULAR AREA BASED ON THE, THE DEVELOPMENT CYCLE WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND I WOULD, I WOULD PRESUME STAFF WOULD HAVE A BETTER GRASP ON THAT DEVELOPMENT CYCLE THAN WE DO. UM, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO REDEVELOP THIS PARTICULAR AREA? WOULD IT BE A TWO YEAR, THREE YEAR, FIVE YEAR, 20 YEAR, UM, TIMELINE? UH, I CERTAINLY CAN'T, UH, I CAN'T PROGNOSTICATE EXACTLY WHAT THE, UH, TIME WOULD BE, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT TWO YEARS IS A BIT AMBITIOUS IN TERMS OF EXPECTATIONS FOR REDEVELOPMENT TO TOP OFF. I THINK THAT FIVE YEARS, WITHIN FIVE YEARS, YOU COULD SEE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT EITHER COMPLETE OR CLOSE TO COMPLETION. UH, WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT THERE'S A PERIOD FOR FINANCING AND SECURING FINANCING, A PERIOD FOR SECURING PERMITS AND FINALIZING PLANS, LET ALONE BREAKING GROUND AND THEN ACTUALLY ENGAGING IN CONSTRUCTION, I WOULD SAY THAT TWO YEARS MIGHT BE TOO SHORT. AND SO THAT'S WHY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING FIVE YEARS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER KINGTON, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHERE ANY OF THE REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN THIS AREA ARE TODAY IN TERMS OF THEIR STATUS? CORRECT. NO. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? UH, COMMISSIONER HALL? I THINK YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR HAND UP, RIGHT? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, SEEING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE A, UH, MOTION COMMISSIONER KINGSTON? WELL, MAYBE. OKAY. IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 1 3 9, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DISREGARD STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND INSTEAD MOVE FOR DENIAL. AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE COMMENTS. YOU DO HAVE A SECOND. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENT. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. THANK YOU. THIS IS NOT AN EASY CASE. UM, THREE YEARS AGO WHEN THIS SUP WAS UP FOR RENEWAL, THE APPLICANT HAD BEEN OPERATING UNDER AN EXPIRED SUP BECAUSE THE APPLICANT HAD ALLOWED THEIR SUP TO LAPSE. AND I RECOMMENDED THAT THEY BE GIVEN TWO YEARS AT THAT TIME. AND I EXPRESSLY STATED THAT THOSE TWO YEARS SHOULD BE USED TO RECONFIGURE THEIR OPERATIONS WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH, THAT THEY WOULD BE GIVEN TWO YEARS IN ORDER TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO OPERATE THIS STORE WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH. AND THAT THERE ARE COUNTLESS OTHER FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS INCLUDING MCDONALD'S THAT OPERATE IN OTHER CITIES AROUND THE GLOBE WITHOUT DRIVE THROUGH. AND AND THAT WAS THE REASON I GAVE THEM TWO YEARS. AND FRANKLY, UM, THERE WERE PEOPLE ON THIS COMMISSION WHO QUESTIONED WHY I WOULD DO THAT, UM, BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS TIME TO GET RID OF THE DRIVE THROUGH AT THAT TIME. AND OVER THE LAST, AND NOW IT'S BEEN THREE YEARS BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING UNDER AN EXPIRED SUP FOR OVER A YEAR NOW. SO THEY'VE HAD THREE YEARS TO REIMAGINE THEIR OPERATIONS WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH, AND THEY HAVE NOT DONE THAT. THEY HAVE TAKEN THE SITE AND, YOU KNOW, MOVED THE DRIVE THROUGH, BUT THEY HAVEN'T REIMAGINED IT AT ALL WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH. AND THE, THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS WHY I RECOMMEND DENYING IT. NUMBER ONE, JUST TAKING THE BASIC LEGAL STANDARD FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THE REASON WE PUT AN SUP ON A DRIVE THROUGH IN, IN A LOCATION LIKE THIS IS SO WE CAN PERIODICALLY EVALUATE IT. AND WHEN I LOOK AT [04:45:01] THE STANDARDS, DOES THIS USE COMPLEMENT OR IS IT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES AND COMMUNITY FACILITIES? DOES IT CONTRIBUTE TO ENHANCE OR PROMOTE THE WELFARE OF THE AREA OF REQUEST AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES? IS IT NOT DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE? AND DOES IT CONFORM IN ALL OF THE RESPECTS OF ZONING REGULATIONS? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS DRIVE, DRIVE-THROUGH MEETS THIS STANDARD ANY LONGER IF IT EVER DID. AND IT, I DON'T THINK IT REALLY DID TWO YEARS AGO. AND IT, AND IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T TODAY, USES OF DRIVE-THROUGHS DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM USING OTHER LOCAL BUSINESSES BECAUSE THEY DRIVE IN, THEY GET WHAT THEY WANT, AND THEY DRIVE OUT. IT DISCOURAGES PEOPLE FROM USING OTHER FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION LIKE MASS TRANSPORTATION, BICYCLES BEING PEDESTRIANS BECAUSE IT ENCOURAGES SINGLE OCCUPANCY VEHICLE USE IT. UM, IT IS IN CONFLICT WITH HAVING A WALKABLE, AN ENVIRONMENT THAT IS, THAT PROMOTES A WALKABLE OR BIKE FRIENDLY AREA. THE 360 PLAN SPECIFICALLY RECOGNIZES THIS CORRIDOR AS A PLACE WE WANT TO BE A CATALYST FOR REDEVELOPMENT AND SPECIFICALLY RECOGNIZES IT AS AN AREA THAT WE WANT TO INCORPORATE MORE PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE AS A CONNECTIVITY ROUTE. WELL, AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS AS THE ONLY DRIVE THROUGH IN TOWN AND CONTINUE TO PROMOTE THIS AS A PLACE WHERE WE ENCOURAGE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF VEHICLE TRIPS INTO AND OFF OF THIS PROPERTY, AND IT NOT ONLY HAS ONE POINT OF EGRESS AND INGRESS, IT HAS TWO, IT'S NOT JUST AFFECTING ONE STREET, IT'S AFFECTING TWO, WE ARE NOT GOING TO ACHIEVE THAT GOAL. AND THERE, THERE'S LOTS OF DATA OUT THERE ABOUT, UM, HOW DRIVE-THROUGHS NEGATIVELY IMPACT AREAS, SPECIFICALLY DOWNTOWN CONGESTED AREAS, UH, WHETHER IT BE ECONOMIC OR SAFETY. AND, AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THE DOWNTOWN 360 PLAN HAS THESE GOALS FOR THIS SPECIFIC AREA IN THERE. THIS IS NOT AN ANTI MCDONALD'S POSITION. I'M FINE WITH THE MCDONALD'S BEING THERE. THERE ARE WELL OVER A DOZEN FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS IN DOWNTOWN THAT DON'T HAVE DRIVE-THROUGHS, CHICK-FIL-A JUST PUT A DRIVE THROUGH. I'VE JUST PUT A RESTAURANT IN THE NATIONAL A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND IT DOESN'T HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH. THERE ARE LOTS OF MOM AND POP SHOPS IN DOWNTOWN THAT DON'T HAVE DRIVE-THROUGHS. SO IT IS DOABLE. THIS OPERATOR HAS OPERATED MCDONALD'S IN THIS DOWNTOWN WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH IN THE PAST. SO IT'S, IT'S CERTAINLY DOABLE. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BALANCING OF WHAT THIS AREA COULD BE IS THE, IS THE DRIVE THROUGH HOLDING IT BACK IS ARE WHAT ELSE IS HOLDING IT BACK? THE OPERATOR, THE OTHER OPERATORS IN THE AREA CERTAINLY SAY THAT THIS DRIVE-THROUGH IS HOLDING BACK DEVELOPMENT. EVERY MAJOR PROPERTY OWNER IN THIS AREA WROTE LETTERS OF OPPOSITION, BUSINESS OWNERS FROM ALL OVER DOWNTOWN, WROTE LETTERS OF OPPOSITION, RESIDENTS FROM ALL AREAS OF DOWNTOWN, WROTE LETTERS OF OPPOSITION, WORKERS FROM THE BUILDINGS IN THE AREA, WROTE LETTERS OF OPPOSITION. AND TO ME, AND WHEN I TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND I LOOK AT WHAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS TO TRANSITION THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THE TWO-WAY CONVERSION OF HOUSTON, THE LARGE PARKING GARAGE TO TAR, TO TRY TO START TAKING AWAY THESE SURFACE LOTS, THE NEW DEVELOPMENT OF PARKS AND GREEN SPACE IN THE AREA, THE, UM, THE SALE OF THE GREYHOUND BUILDING AND THE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A HISTORIC RENOVATION OF THAT FACADE IN A DEVELOPMENT OF A MIXED USE BUILDING. THERE. THE DISCUSSION OF RE-IMAGINING FOUNDERS PLACE AS POTENTIALLY HOTEL OR OTHER MIXED USE WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THE SALE OF BANK OF AMERICA AND WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING THERE. WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THE PLACES THAT ARE WITHIN JUST A FEW BLOCKS OF THIS AREA AND WHAT IS HAPPENING, THIS IS NOT SOME PIE IN THE SKY DOWNTOWN MIGHT ONE DAY BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. IT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. THESE THINGS ARE [04:50:01] CHANGING, TAKING PLACE RIGHT NOW. NOW IS THE TIME TO MAKE THIS DECISION. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, BIKE SAFETY, THE CITY OF DALLAS ADOPTED VISION ZERO A FEW YEARS AGO. DALLAS IS THE LARGEST CITY IN TEXAS, UH, WITH THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF PEDESTRIAN FATALITIES AND SEVERE INJURIES ON A PER CAPITA BASIS. DALLAS RESIDENTS ARE EITHER KILLED OR EXPERIENCED SERIOUS INJURIES AT 57% HIGHER RATE THAN AUSTIN, EL PASO, FORT WORTH, HOUSTON, SAN ANTONIO. AND IT IS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT WE DESIGN OUR STREETS AND OPERATE OUR STREETS. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT VISION ZERO, THEN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO START MAKING SERIOUS DECISIONS ABOUT HOW WE DESIGN AND OPERATE OUR STREETS. OTHERWISE, VISION ZERO IS JUST WORDS ON PAPER. THERE ARE OTHER CITIES ON THAT POINT DRIVE-THROUGHS ARE SUCH A COMMON CAUSE OF INJURIES TO BIKERS AND PEDESTRIANS THAT THERE ARE PERSONAL INJURY LAWYERS THAT SPECIFICALLY ADVERTISE TO GET CASES FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN INJURED IN A DRIVE-THROUGH. THAT'S HOW DANGEROUS DRIVE-THROUGHS CAN BE. AND THAT'S NOT THE ONLY SOURCE OF, OF ISSUES FOR THIS DRIVE THROUGH. THERE'S ALSO LOITERING. THERE'S THE PARKING LOT PARTIES AT NIGHT, THERE'S THE QUEUING ON THE STREET. ALL OF THAT LEADS TO DIFFERENT SAFETY ISSUES FOR THIS DRIVE THROUGH AT THIS LOCATION. IN ADDITION, HAVING A VOLUME OF SINGLE OCCUPANT VEHICLE TRAVEL MODE IS NOT CONGRUENT WITH OUR CCAP. IT CREATES WORSE AIR QUALITY DOWNTOWN, MORE CARBON EMISSIONS. SO FOR A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT REASONS, LOOKING AT OUR CITY'S POLICIES, LOOKING AT WHERE THIS PART OF DOWNTOWN IS AND WHERE IT IS RAPIDLY GOING, LOOKING AT THE LEVEL OF OPPOSITION WE HAVE TO THIS AND BALANCING, I, I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE WORKERS THAT ARE DOWN THERE, BUT WHEN WE REDEVELOP AND WE PROMOTE AN AREA FOR REDEVELOPMENT, WE ALSO GET WORKERS IN THAT REDEVELOPMENT. WE GET ECONOMIC GROWTH IN THAT AREA. WE OPEN UP OUR OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT AREA. I THINK NOW IS THE TIME TO SHUT DOWN THIS DRIVE THROUGH. THAT'S NOT SHUTTING DOWN THE MCDONALD'S. THERE ARE LOTS OF MCDONALD'S THAT OPERATE IN URBAN AREAS WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH. I HEARD MORE THAN ONE PERSON SAY TODAY THAT MCDONALD'S CAN REINVENT ITSELF. I HEARD ONE OF THE WORKERS SAY DONALD'S MCDONALD'S IS ALWAYS RE-IMAGINING ITSELF. IT CAN DO IT AGAIN. TODAY I HEARD ONE OF THE ADVOCATES SAY THE CURRENT OPERATOR IS ABLE TO INNOVATE. WE COULD DO IT TODAY. I HEARD ANOTHER ONE OF THE ADVOCATES SAY, WELL, IF WE START TO SEE MOVEMENT THERE, MAYBE THAT'S A TIME FOR US TO, TO REEVALUATE HAVING THE DRIVE THROUGH. WE ARE SEEING MOVEMENT THERE TODAY. NOW IS THE TIME. I HOPE THAT YOU ALL WOULD CONSIDER SUPPORTING ME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RIO. 100% NOT BE SUPPORTING THAT. AND, AND, AND LET ME GIVE SOME REASON AND CALM AND CALM ALL THE WAY DOWN. THIS PART OF DOWNTOWN WAS NOT EVER THAT THE INVESTMENT IN THIS PART OF DOWNTOWN WAS NOT PROVIDED BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO SOUTH DALLAS. THERE WAS A DEVELOPER WHO CAME ALONG WHEN EVERY OTHER DEVELOPER WAS MAKING DUE ON DEEP EL END AND THE MIDDLE OF DOWNTOWN AND EVERY, AND THEY DID NOT. THOSE BIGWIGS DID NOT WANT ANY PART OF THIS PART OF DOWNTOWN BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO SOUTH DALLAS. A DEVELOPER CAME ALONG AND SAW SOMETHING, UM, IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR OR THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF DOWNTOWN AND STARTED TO REINVEST. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN OTHER DEVELOPERS SAW THIS IS A, THIS IS A LAND GRAB. THIS IS WHERE DEVELOPERS ALL OF A SUDDEN SEE WHAT IS COMING AND IS PUTTING ALL THE WRONGS ON THAT'S GOING ON ON THIS PART OF DOWNTOWN ON THIS MCDONALD'S. WE KNOW THAT THE PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY ONE OF THE, UM, THE THE, UM, THE OPPOSITION HAS HAD MORE TROUBLE THAN THIS MCDONALD'S HAS EVER HAD. THE, THE BIGGEST [04:55:01] EYESORE ON THIS END IS THE GREYHOUND STATION AND HAS BEEN FOR QUITE SOME TIME. BUT TO LOOK IN THIS AUDIENCE AND SEE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THESE EMPLOYEES ARE BLACK AND BROWN INDIVIDUALS WHO ALREADY CAN'T EVEN AFFORD TO LIVE DOWNTOWN. DOWNTOWN IS A GENTRIFIED. IT IS GENTRIFIED. IT DOESN'T PROMOTE INCLUSION. MOST OF THE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN ARE BARS. UM, THE PRICES FOR YOU TO GO EAT DOWNTOWN CAN'T, IS NOT, UH, THE PEOPLE FROM THE SOUTHERN SECTOR CAN'T EVEN AFFORD. SO TO SAY THAT THE DRIVE RIGHT NOW, THE DRIVE THROUGH DOES NOT NEED TO BE SHUT DOWN. THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING INCLUDED. AND THEY HAVE SOMEONE DILIGENTLY WORKING TO ENSURE THAT THESE, THAT BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE IN THAT SOUTHERN SECTOR IS INCLUDED IN EVERY ASPECT OF THE KELLI, UH, HUTCHINSON, UM, REINVENTION. AND THE PARK THAT IS COMING IS BECAUSE THE DISINVESTMENT, THERE IS NO SECRET THAT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM US, UM, IS WE HAVE A HOMELESS SITUATION AROUND THE, THE, UM, MCDONALD'S. ALL OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF DISINVESTMENT FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS AND DEVELOPERS NOT SEEING THE, UM, THE DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH. THAT DOES NOT LAY ON THIS MCDONALD. AND WE CAN'T PUT THAT ON THEM. AND LOOKING AT THE STATISTICS, WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE GO THROUGH THIS DRIVE THROUGH. AND IF 68% OF THEIR BUSINESS IS COMING FROM THAT, IF YOU'RE SAYING, OH, THEY CAN REIMAGINE, I'M LOOKING AT THESE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T, WHEN THAT HAPPENS AND WHEN SHUT THIS DRIVE THROUGH DOWN, THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GO TO WORK. THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PAY THEIR BILLS. IT IS ALREADY HARD THAT EVERYTHING WITHIN A MILE, TWO MILES, FIVE MILES OF THE CENTER OF DALLAS HAS BEEN GENTRIFIED FROM WEST DALLAS TO SOUTH DALLAS, EAST DALLAS, PARTS OF THE BISHOP ARTS, ALL THOSE PLACES HAVE BEEN GENTRIFIED WHERE WE CAN'T EVEN AFFORD TO LIVE. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO EAT AND WE ALMOST DON'T GET HIRED. AND SO MY CONCERN IS I DON'T CARE ABOUT A 360 PLAN, A ZERO PLAN. WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED. IF WE WANNA TALK ABOUT WEST END, LET'S, YOU KNOW YOU WANT PUT THAT IN THE PLAN. WELL, WE KNOW WHAT WEST END USED TO BE. WE CAN TELL YOU WHAT IT USED TO BE. . IT WASN'T FOR US, IT WAS FOR US TO GET HUNG. BUT THE REST OF YOU LOOK AT, AT UPTOWN, SAME THING. UPTOWN WAS OWNED BY BLACK SUCCESSFUL INDIVIDUALS WHO LAND. IT WAS A LAND GRAB IN THE DOMAIN AND THEN YOU'RE GOING IN AND CONTINUE. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN OPPOSITION, YES, THEY HAVE THE FUNDS TO BE IN OPPOSITION. THEY DON'T HAVE TO CONSIDER THE LITTLE MAN, I GOTTA CONSIDER IT EVERY SINGLE DAY. I GOTTA CONSIDER EVERY SINGLE DAY WHEN YOU HEAR SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN AT MCDONALD'S FOR 14 YEARS, SOMEONE THAT'S BEEN THERE AT 20 YEARS, BECAUSE GUESS WHAT? THAT'S THEIR ALMOST THEIR ONLY OPTION THAT HIRES THOSE WHO ARE EX-OFFENDERS. SO WHEN YOU LOOK IN THIS CROWD AND YOU GIVING ME ABOUT A 360 AND A ZERO PLAN, AND THE PEOPLE WHO COMING IN AND SAYING IF THEY OWN THE BIG BUILDINGS, THEY'RE GONNA REIMAGINE. AND THEN YOU SAYING THAT THIS LITTLE MCDONALD'S IS GONNA BE THE REASON THAT THEY CAN'T DO THAT. NEVER HAS IT EVER HAPPENED. THERE'S A MCDONALD'S THAT SIT IN SOUTH DALLAS HAS ISSUES AND THEY'RE BUILDING EVERY SINGLE WINE. AND NO ONE HAS EVER SAID, LET'S CLOSE THAT MCDONALD'S DOWN. YOU'RE ASKING US TO CLO TO WHEN YOU CLOSE THE DRIVE THROUGH, YOU'RE GOING ESSENTIALLY CLOSE THE MCDONALD'S. THERE IS VERY LIMITED PARKING, THE PARKING GARAGE NEXT TO IT. YOU HAVE TO PARK NEXT TO IT. I'VE I'VE GO THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH. UNLESS I GO TO LUBY'S INSIDE THE BUILDING, WE'RE NOT GETTING, I'M NOT GETTING OUTTA MY CAR AND GOING UNDERGROUND TO THE OTHER MCDONALD'S AND THE CHICK-FIL-A'S UNLESS I'M IN THE BUILDING. SOME OF THOSE ARE CATERED TO THOSE WORKERS. BUT A GOOD MAJORITY OF WORKERS WHO DRIVE INTO DOWNTOWN, THEY WORK IN THIS BUILDING, THE FEDERAL BUILDING, THE THE BUILDINGS ON JACKSON MA, THE ONES THAT THE, THAT UM, DALLAS MORNING NEWS USED TO BE IN. THEY ALL GO THROUGH THIS DRIVE THROUGH. SO THE PEOPLE IN OPPOSITION WHO WANTS DOWNTOWN TO LOOK SO ECLECTIC AND NICE AND AND AND BUILT UP, THEY ARE NOT THE COMMON PERSON WHO EVERY SINGLE DAY THAT MAKES 14, 15, 7, 8, 9, 10, $11 AN HOUR, WHO WILL BE AFFECTED BY THIS DECISION. AND WE CANNOT TALK ABOUT EQUITY AND INCLUSION WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING IN THIS AUDIENCE WHO ARE 50, OVER 50 PEOPLE WORKING THAT WILL BE AFFECTED IMMEDIATELY, NOT IN IN MONTHS TO COME, YEARS TO COME. THEY WILL BE AFFECTED IMMEDIATELY. AND SOMETIME IT'S COMMON SENSE. THIS IS A COMMON SENSE SITUATION THAT WE CAN GIVE THEM FIVE YEARS. KAY BAILEY HUTCHINSON IS NOT GOING TO BE, IS NOT GONNA BE FULLY BUILT OUT IN FIVE YEARS. THE PARKING LOTS ARE NOT IMMEDIATELY GOING AWAY. YES, THEY'RE GONNA REDEVELOP, UM, THE EYESORE THAT HAS BEEN IN THE WORST BUILDING ON THE BLOCK, THE GREYHOUND FOR MANY YEARS. YEAH. BUT GUESS WHAT, THOSE DEVELOPERS, THEY NOW, THEY GOT MONEY AND FUNDING BECAUSE NOW DEVELOPMENT IS COMING TO THEIR AREA. SO WE'RE [05:00:01] GONNA PUT ALL THE BLAME ON THIS MCDONALD'S THEY HAVE. IF YOU, IT ALSO TELLS THE CITY OF DALLAS, IT ALSO TELLS, AND IT'S BEEN DONE AT THIS HORSESHOE, UH, MANY TIMES IF YOU REMODEL YOUR BUILDING, YOU LOSE YOUR GRANDFATHER CLAUSE. AND WHEN YOU LOSE YOUR GRANDFATHER CLAWS, WE'RE GONNA PUT YOU OUTTA BUSINESS. AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT HAPPENED WAS THEY HAD DECIDED TO UPGRADE THIS BUILDING AND THEY LOST THEIR GRANDFATHER CLAW. THEY MADE A MISTAKE AND NOW THEY'RE OUTTA BUSINESS AND THEY'VE BEEN SERVING THIS COMMUNITY SINCE THE SEVENTIES. RIGHT? SO THEY LOST THEIR GRANDFATHER CLAWS BECAUSE THEY UPGRADED WHO, WHO? DALLAS COMMISSIONER. FORSYTH COMMISSIONER, UH, KINGSTON IS AN EFFECTIVE ADVOCATE, BUT I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING HER. HER I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING HER MOTION. AND THE REASON WHY I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING HER MOTION, SEVERAL THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO BLAME THIS MCDONALD'S FOR, FOR CAUSING ADMISSIONS. I DON'T THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE DRIVING ALONG 35 AND EXITING JUST TO GO TO THE MCDONALD'S. IT'S PROBABLY THAT MCDONALD'S TRAFFIC, THE TRAFFIC THERE, THE MCDONALD'S IS SERVING THE CARS THAT ARE ALREADY DRIVING ALONG THERE TO WORK OR COMING HOME FROM WORK. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S ACTUALLY CAUSING TO, YOU KNOW, THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC THERE. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO BLAME THAT MCDONALD'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALSO BEEN POINTED OUT THAT THERE'S 50 ACRES OF, YOU KNOW, JUST PARKING LOTS THAT ARE SURROUNDING THIS MCDONALD'S. SO I DON'T THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S UH, IT'S AN AREA WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE WALKABILITY THAT WE TALK ABOUT IS A, IS A BIG CONCERN ANYWAY. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN I DO LOOK AT THE 360 PLAN, IT DOES STATE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PLAN SHOULD, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE A DIVERSE MIX OF SERVICES AND RETAIL AND CERTAINLY MCDONALD'S FALLS IN THAT CATEGORY. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, OUTTA LINE WITH THIS PLAN. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AS AS WAS STATED, IT IS PROBABLY SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT WILL OCCUR THERE. AND THEN THERE'S A FINAL ISSUE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT IF YOU CLOSE DOWN THIS DRIVE-THROUGH THAT, IT'S GONNA BE THE DEATH NAIL FOR THIS BUSINESS. AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS THAT'S BEEN THERE. A GOOD CITIZEN FOR 40 YEARS. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE CONTRIBUTING TO ITS DEATH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR. THIS HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE FOR ME BECAUSE I'VE USED THIS PARTICULAR MCDONALD'S, UM, MR. FORESITE, YOUR MIGHT. UM, I'VE USED THIS MCDONALD'S SINCE I MOVED HERE DECEMBER THE 11TH, 1997. UM, AND WHEN THE DRIVE THROUGH WENT IN, WELL BEFORE THE DRIVE THROUGH WENT IN, THOSE OF US THAT WERE ON OUR WAY TO WORK, WHEN STOP IN REAL QUICK, WE GET BLOCKED IN, WE GET LOCKED IN AND WHAT A FIVE MINUTE RUN IN, RUN OUT, GET SOMETHING TO EAT, ENDED UP BEING 20 MINUTES, 30 MINUTES. WE ARE LATE FOR WORK BECAUSE SOMEONE DOUBLE PARKED, SOMEONE BLOCKS YOU IN, YOU CAN'T GET OUT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME. THERE WAS A STREET, A LITTLE STREET ALLEY, LIKE STREET ALLEY, UM, THAT WE DOUBLE PARKED ON RUNNING AND RUN OUT. WHEN THEY FINALLY OPENED UP THE DRIVE-THROUGH, WE WERE HAPPY THE WHOLE TIME. I'VE USED A DRIVE-THRU. I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE ACCIDENT, NEVER ONE. UM, WHEN I, AND WHEN I WORKED AT AT AND T, UM, WE WOULD, WE, IF YOU WERE GOING TO WORK AND YOU WERE HUNGRY AND YOU HAD TO GO IN THE DRIVE THROUGH WAS THE WAY TO GO. UM, ONE MAIN PLACE THAT WAS OUR LUNCH PLACE. IF WE HAD AN HOUR, IF WE HAD AN HOUR, WE COULD GO DOWN TO ONE MAIN PLACE, GO IN THE BASEMENT, GO THROUGH THE THE TUNNELS AND GO GET PLACES TO WHETHER YOU ARE IN AT AND T BUILDING ONE MAIN PLACE OR TUNNEL SOMEWHERE ELSE. I I, I DON'T NECESSARILY, I DON'T GENERALLY OPPOSE, UH, A COMMISSIONER IN THEIR DISTRICT BECAUSE IT'S THEIR DISTRICT. BUT, AND, AND I, I SO RESPECT MY COMMISSIONER NEXT TO ME. I, I SO RESPECT HER WHEN I, AND, AND, BUT I, AND I AM AN OPPOSING HER ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE, EVEN WHEN I MEDIATED FOR, AT THE, THE GEORGE ALLEN BUILDING. [05:05:01] UM, AFTER I RETIRED, I DRIVE THROUGH MCDONALD'S BECAUSE IN ORDER TO GO AND GET SOMETHING TO EAT AT GEORGE ALLEN, IT WOULD TAKE US 15, 20 MINUTES TO FIND A PLACE TO, TO JUST TO PARK AND WE WERE GOING. AND ONCE YOU IN THE, THE, IN THE PARKING LOT UNDERGROUND, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK UP. BUT IT WOULD STILL TAKE US 15 OR 20 MINUTES IF YOU HAVE TO COME IN AT EIGHT O'CLOCK TO DO A MEDIATION BECAUSE PARKING IS, IS, IS HARD. I, I GO DOWN TO, UM, I LIKE BARBECUE. THERE'S TWO GREAT PLACES TO EAT BARBECUE DOWN HERE. ONE IS THE PECAN TREE AND ONE IS, UM, SOMETHING BLACK. YEAH, TERRY BLACK. AND THE SAME PROBLEM WITH GOING TO PECAN TREE. SOMETIMES IT TAKES ME 15, 20 MINUTES, UM, IN DEEP DETAIL AND TO FIND A PLACE TO PARK 'CAUSE THERE'S NO PARKING IN ORDER TO GO IN AND GET SOMETHING TO EAT. TERRY BLACK SAYS THEIR OWN PARKING LOT, BUT IT'S NOT SUFFICIENT FOR THE, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THEY GET. SO UNTIL WE CAN FIGURE OUT PARKING AND WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING, I, I CAN'T SEE TELLING THE FOUR TOWERS OF AT AND T EMPLOYEES THAT YOU, YOU GOT, YOU CAN'T, YOU, YOU NO LONGER BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GO TO ONE MAIN AT EIGHT O'CLOCK, AT SEVEN O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. AND I WASN'T GONNA SAY THIS, BUT I WENT THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH THIS MORNING BECAUSE I THOUGHT I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE AT EIGHT 30, AT EIGHT O'CLOCK INSTEAD OF NINE 30. SO I NEEDED A PLACE TO GET SOMETHING TO EAT, AND THE ONLY PLACE THAT I COULD GET SOMETHING TO EAT WAS MCDONALD'S. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY. THIS IS, THIS IS A DIFFICULT CASE. I, BUT I THINK THAT WHILE WE ARE REIMAGINING THE K BAILEY HUTCHINSON CENTER, THAT IT'S ONLY FAIR TO NOT TO, TO SHUT DOWN WHAT EVERYBODY DOWNTOWN USES AS A DRIVE-THROUGH. AND IF 60% OF THEIR, THEIR BUSINESS IS THROUGH THE DRIVE-THROUGH, THAT'S 60% OF THEIR BUSINESS. AND YOU CAN'T SAY, WELL, THEY CAN, THEY CAN WALK IN. YOU CAN'T GO BACK TO DOUBLE PARKING, TRIPLE PARKING, PARKING ON THE STREET JUST TO WALK IN AND MAYBE GET IN AND OUT IN FIVE MINUTES. THANKS COMMISSIONER HERBERT. WE'RE THE FIRST ROUND. YES. UM, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING A MOTION. THIS IS, UM, THIS IS A VERY, UM, THIS TOUCHING CASE FOR ME BECAUSE I MANAGE A TEAM OF EMPLOYEES AT THIS CITY, UM, THAT MANAGES AND TRAINS 9 1 1 OPERATORS, THREE ON ONE OPERATORS, UM, TO THE LIKE, UM, THIS, OUR CITY RUNS OFF THE BACK OF THESE PEOPLE BEHIND THE COUNTERS IN THE CALL CENTERS, IN THE QUIET CORNERS OF THIS VERY BUILDING. UM, THESE PEOPLE DEPEND ON THAT MCDONALD'S, UM, SEVERAL TIMES I HAVE ORDERS BEING TAKEN IN THE CLASSROOM. I HAVE STUDENTS LOADING UP A CAR TO GO THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH. UM, IT'S A 15 MINUTE WALK FROM CITY HALL TO THAT LOCATION. THAT WALK INCLUDES A NO TREE, UM, NO SHADE TRACK ACROSS THE LARGE PARKING LOT BEHIND THE JACKSON CONDOS, THE ALAW HOTEL. UM, IF YOU'RE NOT DOING THAT, YOU ARE WALKING THROUGH BUILDINGS AND SIDEWALKS THAT ARE FULL WITH URINE AND FECES. DOWNTOWN IS NOT WALKABLE. WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO BEFORE IT GETS THERE. UM, I'VE LIVED IN A WALKABLE CITY. I WAS RAISED IN A WALKABLE CITY. I GREW UP IN NEW ORLEANS. I, I, I WALK CANAL STREET. I USE MCDONALD'S ON CANAL STREET. I USED MCDONALD'S, POPEYE'S ON CANAL STREET, BUT THE TRANSIT SYSTEM IN, IN NEW ORLEANS WAS MUCH DIFFERENT. I CAN GET ON EVERY CORNER, I CAN GET A BUS TO MY HOUSE OR TO ANOTHER SIDE OF TOWN OR WHERE I NEEDED TO GO. THE TRANSIT SYSTEM WAS EFFECTIVE. IT'S NOT HERE IF I CATCH A BUS AND I NEED TO GET TO WIL HURT FROM DOWNTOWN. IT'S AN HOUR AND A HALF TRACK TO GET THERE. IT'S A 10 MINUTE DRIVE. WE ARE NOT THERE YET. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S THE TIME TO SHUT DOWN THIS DRIVE THROUGH. THANK YOU, MR. RUBIN. THIS IS A CHALLENGING CASE AND I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA MAKE ANYONE PARTICULARLY HAPPY WITH MY REMARKS HERE, BUT I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE THEM BECAUSE, UM, I, I KNOW THIS AREA VERY WELL SINCE [05:10:01] I WORK IN A BUILDING THAT IS A, A FEW BLOCKS AWAY AND I PASS BY THE JACKSON SIDE ON MY WAY INTO THE OFFICE MOST MORNINGS AND HEAD OUT, DOWN COMMERCE AND PASS BY THE COMMERCE SIDE ON, ON THE OTHER SIDE. AND, YOU KNOW, IF THIS WERE A APPLICATION FOR A BRAND NEW SUP FOR A NEW DRIVE-THROUGH, I THINK THIS WOULD BE A VERY EASY NO, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT IS AN EXISTING DRIVE THROUGH THAT HAS EXISTED FOR THE PAST 25 YEARS. I'VE SEEN REALLY AWFUL DRIVE THROUGHS IN PARTS OF EAST DALLAS WHERE I LIVE. AND FORTUNATELY THIS ONE SEEMS TO FOUR DRIVE THROUGH, UM, OPERATE O OKAY. I DON'T SEE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH PEDESTRIANS. I DON'T SEE TRAFFIC STACKING UP ON COMMERCE OR JACKSON AND I, I THINK THIS MCDONALD'S DOES DESERVE SOME CREDIT. I I DON'T THINK THE DRIVE THROUGH MAKES SENSE HERE FOR THE LONG TERM. LIKE I SAID, UM, THE LAST TIME AROUND, AND I, I THINK I WAS ONE OF THOSE BACK IN 2021 OR 2022 WHO USED THE WORDS REPRIEVE OR SOMETHING LIKE IT AND SUGGEST THAT THE OPERATOR TRY TO FIND OTHER WAYS TO OPERATE THIS MCDONALD'S EITHER HERE OR IN A SIMILAR LOCATION, CONSIDERING THAT THERE HAD BEEN A COUPLE OF OTHER MCDONALD'S OPERATING SUCCESSFULLY DOWNTOWN, UM, WITHOUT DRIVE THROUGHS BEFORE THE PANDEMIC. AND I DO THINK THERE IS A PLACE FOR MCDONALD'S AND OTHER FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS THAT ARE DOWNTOWN FOR AN AFFORDABLE OPTION. UM, WITH THAT SAID, I I THINK THE QUESTION IS, IS WHEN TO PHASE IT OUT. AND, AND ONE THING THAT STRIKES ME IS, YOU KNOW, AS SORT OF DISAPPOINTED AS I AM IN THE OPERATOR FOR NOT, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY COMING TO US WITH THE WAY TO PHASE IT OUT OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE CONSIDER ITS CONSISTENCY WITH WHEN THERE'S REDEVELOPMENT SLATED IN THE AREA. I HAVEN'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THERE MAY BE A LOT OF, MIGHT BE A LOT OF PLANNING GOING ON IN THE BACKGROUND FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA. WE'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, PLANS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REDOING BANK OF AMERICA. WE'VE HEARD PLANS ABOUT THE GREYHOUND STATION. YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY DIRT MOVING AND THERE'S NOT ANYTHING SUPER CONCRETE THAT I'M SEEING RIGHT NOW THAT THAT IS IMMINENT. SO WHERE I ULTIMATELY LAND, I THINK IS, AND THIS ISN'T AN EASY DECISION, MAYBE AN ADDITIONAL REPRIEVE OF, OF, AND I I USE THE WORD REPRIEVE VERY DELIBERATELY BECAUSE I THINK THIS OPERATION OPERATOR SHOULD FIND WAYS TO RELOCATE ITS EMPLOYEES. IF THIS ISN'T GONNA WORK WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH, UM, IS IS A REPRIEVE OF, OF MAYBE A COUPLE MORE YEARS AND THEN WE COME BACK AND REEVALUATE. BUT I, I THINK I WOULD BE VERY HARD PRESSED IN A COUPLE YEARS, UM, TO EXTEND THE SUP AGAIN. SO I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION TO DENY. BUT FIVE YEARS ALSO SEEMS LIKE GIVING THIS, GIVING TOO LONG A LEASH HERE. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, UH, WITHOUT DUE RESPECT TO COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, I'M ALSO NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. UM, I, I THINK I WAS ONE OF THOSE AS WELL THAT THE LAST TIME WE SAW THIS THAT I WAS A LITTLE SKEPTICAL. UH, AND WHEN THIS CASE ACTUALLY BEFORE IT GOT TO OUR DOCKET, UH, I WAS IN THE AREA ON, I THINK IT WAS A FRIDAY EVENING, UH, MAYBE PAST 10 OR SO. AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA STOP BY AND SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE. SO I, I PARKED DOWN THE STREET AND WALKED OVER, BOUGHT SOME FRENCH FRIES AND JUST SAT IN THE CORNER AND WATCHED FOR A LITTLE BIT. AND, UH, WHAT I SAW KIND OF CHANGED MY PERSPECTIVE A LITTLE BIT. UH, THERE WERE SOME FAMILIES THERE. UH, THE DRIVE-THROUGH WAS WORKING, WAS WORKING EFFICIENTLY. UH, THERE WAS A SECURITY GUARD THERE FELT PERFECTLY SAFE. UH, IT LOOKED LIKE THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE OUT THERE AND ON THIS SIDE OF THE HORSESHOE. UH, SO THEN AT THAT POINT WHEN WE GOT THIS APPLICATION, UM, I THINK, UH, THIS CASE IS ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE FUTURE OF THIS AREA? AND I THINK THE ANALYSIS OF COMMISSIONER KINGSTON IS, IS FRANKLY SPOT ON. UM, SO FOR ME IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS MCDONALD'S AND, AND REALLY MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHEN DOES IT HAPPEN? AND, UH, FOR ME AT THIS POINT HERE TODAY, UM, A LITTLE BIT UNCOMFORTABLE, UH, MAYBE TAKING A POSITION WHERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TIME IS DUE FOR THIS DRIVE THROUGH. AND, UH, I THINK THERE ARE SOME EXCITING PLANS, UH, FOR THAT AREA. AND, BUT THOSE ARE JUST [05:15:01] EXCITING PLANS FOR THE MOMENT. UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT GET FLUSHED OUT BEFORE WE MAKE THIS DECISION THAT, UH, IS GONNA, IS GONNA CHANGE SOME LIVES OVER THERE FOR A BUSINESS THAT'S BEEN ALIVE FOR, YOU KNOW, DECADES. UH, SO, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE ADJUSTED MY THINKING AND, UH, AS THE VICE CHAIR SAID, I THINK MAYBE IF THIS COMES BACK IN A FEW YEARS, UH, WE HAVE SOME MORE CERTAINTY AS TO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE AREA. AND THE APPLICANT KNOWS HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AT SOME POINT GONNA GET PHASED OUT, I BELIEVE. UH, BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, UH, HERE TODAY, SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. COMMISSIONER CHER? NOT OKAY. LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. I'M ALSO STRUGGLING WITH THIS. AND, UM, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WE LOOK AT THE FUTURE OF DALLAS AND, AND I, I THINK THAT MANY OF US WOULD ASPIRE TO DALLAS BECOMING AN INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED CITY IN A GREAT CITY OF THE UNITED STATES. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT KIND OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, I DON'T THINK YOU SEE SUBURBAN USES LIKE DRIVE THROUGHS IN THE DOWNTOWN. SO TO ME, IT'S CLEARLY THIS IS NOT A FOREVER USE. AND, AND THE REAL QUESTION IS AT WHAT, AT WHAT POINT DO WE RIP THE BANDAID OFF OR DO WE DO A WIND DOWN? OR HOW DO WE KIND OF UNWIND THAT? UM, I STRUGGLE BECAUSE WHEN I HEAR BOTH SIDES TALK ON THIS, I THINK THERE ARE EXCELLENT POINTS, AND I AGREE WITH BOTH SIDES. UM, IT SEEMS LIKE SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THE WIND DOWN WAS, WAS THAT WAS GONNA BE THE START OF IT HERE TODAY I HEAR THE APPLICANT TALKING ABOUT DOING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH TO ME IS THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF THAT. THAT'S DIGGING IN WITH HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND ASKING FOR A 10 YEAR USE. AND JUST, JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE APPLICANT IS ON BOARD WITH THAT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD PREFER THAT WE HAD A MOTION IN FRONT OF US THAT GAVE THEM POSSIBLY TWO MORE YEARS, UM, WITH THE EXPECTATION OF THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S YOUR TWO YEARS TO FIGURE OUT NEXT STEPS WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, UH, POSSIBLE TO HAVE THAT MOTION IN PLACE. UH, BUT I'M, I'M STILL SORT OF ON THE FENCE HERE. COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, I AGREE WITH ALL THOSE WHO HAVE TALKED ABOUT WHAT A TOUGH CASE THIS IS. AND, UH, I FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT IT. BUT, UM, I'M GONNA SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION. AND ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THAT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE ALL JUST WENT THROUGH A VERY DIFFICULT PROCESS WITH THIS FORWARD DALLAS. WE SPENT, WHAT, THREE YEARS ON IT, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOURS IN DEBATE AND CONVERSATION, AND IT WAS VERY TAXING. AND, UM, WE DO THAT KNOWING FULL WELL THAT THAT PLAN MAY END UP SITTING ON THE SHELF LIKE THE LAST FOUR OF DALLAS DID ONCE THE LAST FOUR OF DALLAS PASSED. I DON'T EVER, I DON'T REMEMBER, REMEMBER ANYBODY PULLING OUT AND LOOKING AT IT AGAIN. IT'S JUST, IT WAS THERE AND, AND THAT WAS IT. IT JUST SAT THERE. AND I KNOW THAT WHEN ORGANIZATIONS LIKE, UH, DOWNTOWN DALLAS TAKE ON THINGS LIKE THE DOWNTOWN DALLAS 360 PLAN, THERE'S SO MUCH TIME AND EFFORT THAT GOES IN ON THOSE AND SO MUCH REAL, VERY, UM, THEY'RE VERY LABORIOUS, A LOT OF HEARTFELT FEELINGS, AND THEY DON'T MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS LIGHTLY. SO I HAVE A HARD TIME IGNORING THAT IN THIS CASE. I TOTALLY GET THE ARGUMENTS ABOUT WHY THERE'S A, A REASON TO WANT TO EXTEND THIS. UH, LIKE MR. CHERNOCK AND OTHERS HAVE SAID, IF IT WERE, IF BE ONE THING, IF IT WAS FOR A, UH, A TWO YEAR PERIOD, BUT TO EXTEND IT FOR FIVE YEARS, UM, IN, IN, IN LIGHT OF THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS, ALL THE EVIDENCE AGAINST IT IN TERMS OF ALL THE STUFF WE'VE HEARD ABOUT WALKABLE CITIES AND HOW TO MAKE THEM WORK AND THE DOWNTOWN 360 PLAN, I, I JUST, I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME IGNORING THAT. SO I, I THINK, UM, UM, IF WE'VE GOTTA GO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, UH, I, I'VE GOTTA, I'VE GOTTA SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT? THANK YOU. UM, I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION. UH, THIS IS A, A CHALLENGING DECISION, BUT, UM, I, UH, COMMEND, UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR HER REMARKS AND, AND THE SORT OF THE WELL REASONED APPROACH. UM, THERE ARE TWO, TWO THINGS THAT I, I WOULD HIGHLIGHT. ONE, HER, UM, REVIEW OF THE SUP REQUIREMENTS THAT WE ABIDE BY HERE AT, AT, AT, UH, THE COMMISSION. IT IS KIND OF HARD TO SQUARE THE USE WITH, WITH, UM, THAT [05:20:01] CRITERIA FOR, UM, GRANTING AN SUP. AND THEN SECONDLY, UM, I HAVE HEARD MANY TIMES, UM, HERE IN THE LAST, UH, HOUR OR SO ABOUT, WELL, NOTHING'S REALLY CHANGED. NOTHING'S REALLY CHANGED, THEREFORE, LET'S NOT CHANGE. AND HOPEFULLY THIS COMMISSION IS ABOUT CHANGE AND IS ABOUT MAKING OUR CITY BETTER. AND, UH, THIS SEEMS LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, INITIATE SOME CHANGE. SO I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I ALSO WILL BE WILLING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION. I WAS HERE, YOU KNOW, TWO, THREE YEARS AGO. UH, 'CAUSE IT'S THREE YEARS AGO WHEN WE APPROVED AN EXTENSION. AND IT WAS, UH, THE POINT WAS MADE VERY CLEARLY AT THAT TIME THAT THIS WAS A PHASE OUT PERIOD. AND I DON'T SEE ANY RECOGNITION WHATSOEVER IN THE STATEMENTS, UM, BY THE APPLICANT OR ITS SUPPORTERS THAT THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, THAT, UM, INSTEAD, EVEN IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS FOR SAY, AN ADDITIONAL TWO YEARS WITH THESE, UH, AMENDMENTS TO THE SITE, I THINK THE ARGUMENT WOULD COME BACK IN A COUPLE OF YEARS GOING, WELL, LOOK, WE INVESTED ALL OF THIS MONEY, SO WHY, WHY, YOU KNOW, ARE WE HAVING TO WIND DOWN NOW? AND THEN I, I GUESS ON A PERSONAL NOTE, I'VE, I'VE GONE THROUGH THIS WITH A NUMBER OF BATCH PLANTS IN DISTRICT SIX, WHERE I HAVE GIVEN PEOPLE EXTENSIONS OF SEVERAL YEARS TO WIND IT DOWN AND NEVER HAS ANY STEP BEEN MADE IN PROGRESS TOWARD THAT GOAL. THEY COME BACK IN TWO OR THREE YEARS AND SAY, WE COULDN'T, WE, WE, WE COULDN'T FIND A PLACE OR WE DIDN'T, I MEAN, THERE WAS JUST NO RECOGNITION WHATSOEVER. SO AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS IT. AND, AND THE POINT WAS MADE VERY CLEARLY SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT THE TIME WAS WAS HERE TO WIND IT DOWN. SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. ANYONE ELSE? FIRST ROUND BEFORE WE GO TO SECOND ROUND? COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE. I WANNA, I WANNA CORRECT THE RECORD ON A COUPLE THINGS THAT WERE SAID. MOST BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN ARE NOT BARS. DOWNTOWN IS VERY INCLUSIVE FOR RESIDENTS BUSINESS TYPES. IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST INCLUSIVE PLACE WE HAVE IN OUR CITY. UM, TWO OF THE OPPONENTS, UH, THAT WROTE IN LETTERS ARE THE TWO LARGEST AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS WE HAVE IN THE CITY. AND THEY OPERATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS IN THE CITY, UH, IN DOWNTOWN. SO TO SUGGEST THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE OPPOSING THIS ARE JUST A BUNCH OF RICH WHITE DUDES WHO WANNA CLEAN HOUSE IS JUST UNTRUE. SO I I DON'T APPRECIATE THAT, UM, INFERENCE OR ACCUSATION. NOW, THINGS ARE CHANGING IN THIS AREA. THE GREYHOUND OPERATION IS MOVING. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. AND TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S POINT, JUST LIKE WE SAW ON ROSS AVENUE WHEN THEY REZONED ROSS AVENUE HOWEVER MANY YEARS AGO, THOSE OPERATORS DON'T VOLUNTARILY MOVE. THEY DON'T VOLUNTARILY WIND DOWN. YOU CAN TELL THEM THAT, THAT THEY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, YOU CAN GIVE THEM A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. AND THAT NEVER REALLY HAPPENS. THIS IS HOW IT, THIS IS HOW IT WORKS. YOU, YOU HAVE TO SAY YOU'VE HAD YOUR TIME, NOW WE'RE DONE. AND NO ONE'S PLACING BLAME ON MCDONALD'S. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING. WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS TO MOVE THIS CITY IN THE DIRECTION WE WANNA BE IN TO ADHERE TO THE POLICIES AND PLANS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS PASSED, WHETHER IT BE CAP. AND, AND I DO THINK THAT HAVING CARS IDLING IN A TWO LANE, UM, CONSTANTLY OPERATING DRIVE THROUGH DOES INCREASE EMISSIONS, IS AGAINST OUR CCAP. HAVING TWO, UH, A A DRIVE THROUGH THAT OPERATES ON TWO DIFFERENT STREETS IS INCONGRUENT WITH VISION ZERO. HAVING THIS DRIVE THROUGH BE THE ONLY DRIVE THROUGH IN DOWNTOWN, UM, IS IN VIOLATION OF THE 360 PLAN. HAVING ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT POLICIES AND PLANS THAT, SOME OF WHICH CAME THROUGH THIS BODY THAT WE ADOPTED AND THAT CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED, SOME OF WHICH LIKE VISION ZERO ARE NATIONAL POLICIES THAT EVERY CITY IS [05:25:01] DOING FOR US TO SAY, WELL, YEAH, BUT I DRIVE THROUGH THAT MCDONALD'S, I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO WALK. I STILL AM A SINGLE OCCUPANCY VEHICLE DRIVER AND I'M NOT WILLING TO MAKE CHANGE, THEREFORE, I'M NOT GONNA VOTE FOR THIS CITY TO MAKE CHANGE REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE DATA SAYS, REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY EXTRA PEOPLE IN THIS CITY DIE BECAUSE WE WON'T MAKE CHANGE OR HOW MANY PEOPLE GET SERIOUSLY INJURED BECAUSE WE WON'T MAKE CHANGE. THAT IS NOT OUR JOB AROUND THIS HORSESHOE. AND EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY SAY, OH, THIS SINGLE DRIVE THROUGH ISN'T EXACTLY KILLING A BUNCH OF PEOPLE, THESE POLICIES THAT WE ADHERE TO OR DON'T ADHERE TO THESE MECHANISMS FOR CREATING SYSTEMIC CHANGE IN AN AREA FOR PROMOTING CHANGE, FOR BEING THE IMPETUS FOR CHANGE FOR THIS PART OF DOWNTOWN, WHICH ADMITTEDLY HAS NOT BEEN THE FIRST PART OF DOWNTOWN THAT HAS BEEN REINVESTED IN, IT'S HOW WE GET TO WHERE WE WANT TO BE. AND WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT IF WE JUST CONTINUE TO SAY WE'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE TODAY. MAYBE IN A COUPLE YEARS WE'LL CHANGE, BUT NOT TODAY. ESPECIALLY IF PART OF THE RATIONALE FOR MORE THAN ONE PERSON SITTING AROUND THIS HORSESHOE IS BECAUSE I PERSONALLY LIKE IT. AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CITIES CHANGE, THEY DON'T STAY THE SAME. TAKE THE POINT OF PEOPLE WHO USED TO WORK AT AT T AND DIDN'T MAYBE HAVE ANOTHER CHOICE. WELL, NOW AT AND T HAS A DISCOVERY CENTER WITH MULTIPLE PLACES THAT AT AND T EMPLOYEES CAN EAT ON CAMPUS THAT DIDN'T EXIST 10 YEARS AGO. AND NOW IT DOES. AND OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE INCREASINGLY BUILDING PLACES AT STREET LEVEL INSTEAD OF IN THE BASEMENT WHERE THEIR WORKERS CAN GO AND SIT OUTSIDE AND INTERACT AND MAYBE GO TO THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET THAT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER OUR DOWNTOWN. IT'S, IT'S CREATING CONNECTIVITY. IT'S CREATING THE NEED FOR MORE PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE, BETTER PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE, MORE BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THIS PART OF DOWNTOWN WANTS TO BE PART OF THAT. THE OWNERS OF THE BUILDING IN THIS PART OF DOWNTOWN ARE ASKING TO BE PART OF THAT. THAT'S WHAT A DENIAL OF THE SUP MEANS. AND SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE LEGAL STANDARD, 'CAUSE WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT STUFF THAT'S NOT THE LEGAL STANDARD, NOT EVEN LAND USE. WHEN I LOOK AT THE LAND USE STANDARD AND THE LEGAL STANDARD THAT WE SHOULD BE APPLYING FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THIS USE DOESN'T COMPLY. AND IT'S DISHEARTENING TO ME THAT THE STAFF REPORT THAT RECOMMENDS FIVE MORE YEARS DIDN'T EVEN MENTION THE LEGAL STANDARD THAT WE'RE ALL BOUND BY. SO I THANK THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE CONSIDERING SUPPORTING THIS, AND I ASK THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE ON THE FENCE TO RECONSIDER, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. ER, LET ME CORRECT THE RECORD. I I NEVER SAID ALL WHITE MEN ARE THE ONLY ONES AS WELL IN THIS 'CAUSE THOSE ARE OLD WHITE MAN WHO IS ACTUALLY PUTTING TIME AND EQUITY AND HIRING. UM, THAT IS PART OF THE REVISION OF, UH, THAT PORTION OF DOWNTOWN, WHICH IS JACK MATTHEWS, WHO DEFINITELY HIRES AND REINVESTED WHEN NO OTHER, THE INVESTOR WAS WILLING TO DO THAT IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR OF LAMAR STREET BOTTOM, JOHN. SO THAT IS NOT WHAT, UH, CAME OUTTA MY MOUTH. UM, AND I AM ALSO DEFINITELY WHEN WE TALKING ABOUT, UM, AROUND THIS HORSESHOE, A LOT OF TIMES THE CONSIDERATION, UM, IF THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE IN, IF WE'RE GONNA SAY YOU GET ONE MORE CHANCE, YOU HAVE FIVE YEARS TO GET IT TOGETHER AND, AND MAYBE EVEN ASK THE APPLICANT THAT IN FIVE YEARS PUT A DEED RESTRICTION IN TODAY, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, YOU WILL PHASE THAT OUT. THAT IS DIFFERENT. I'M TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE AND WHEN WE ARE AT A TIME, UM, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE STAT, THE STATISTICS IS ON, ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY THAT'S SAYING THE DATA SAYING 68% COMES THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH. AND THAT WE KNOW THAT IF THEY PHASE IT OUT AND THEY HAVE TO CLOSE OUT TODAY THAT THESE EMPLOYEES THAT'S IN THIS [05:30:01] AUDIENCE WHO I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH THAN A PARK OR WALKABILITY, THAT TODAY THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO, IT IS A HARD MARKET. IT IS HARD TO GET A JOB. IT IS HARD TO DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW. $15 AN HOUR, WE CANNOT PAY BILLS. FIVE YEARS AGO, $15 AN HOURS WAS A NICE JOB, RENT IN DOWNTOWN. I GUESS THERE'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOWNTOWN, BUT THAT AFFORDABILITY IS NOT THAT AFFORDABLE. UM, THEY ARE COMING IN AND WORKING AND I GUESS I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M FROM THAT SIDE OF TOWN THAT I, I DON'T GET THE CHOICE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. I WANT WALKABILITY. I SCREAM IT FROM THE MOUNTAINTOPS, BUT GIVING THEM FIVE YEARS AND PUTTING IT IN HARD WRITING OR WELL, HOW DO WE DO THAT? IS THERE A POSSIBILITY WHERE THEY KNOW THAT IN FIVE YEARS YOU CAN'T EVEN COME BACK? IS THERE ANY OF THOSE TYPE OF CONSIDERATIONS? AND SO, UM, A LOT OF TIMES AROUND THIS HORSESHOE, LET'S BE HONEST, WHEN IT COMES TO THE ISSUES THAT WILL AFFECT, 'CAUSE THIS IS GONNA AFFECT SOME OF THE MINORITIES. WE MAKE DECISIONS AND DIS AND, AND, AND 100% GO, GO AGAINST WHAT WE NEED IN THIS CITY. WE MAKE DECISIONS 659 APARTMENT COM APARTMENTS AND NOT ONE BIT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN IT. LET'S TALK, LET'S BE HONEST, WHAT WE DO AROUND THIS HORSES SHOOT, A LOT OF TIME PEOPLE AROUND THIS HORSES SHOOT DON'T EVEN COME SOUTH OF 30 AND MAKE DECISIONS SOUTH OF 30. SO I'M NOT, WE ARE NOT GONNA SIT AND ACT LIKE MAYBE WHAT ME AND A COUPLE OTHER COMMISSIONERS ARE FEELING. I'M FEELING IT BECAUSE I'M GONNA WONDER WHEN WE LEAVE HERE, IF THIS GET DENIED AND THEN IT GET DENIED. 'CAUSE I READ READING THE COMMENTS FROM 2022, A COUNCIL MEMBER SAID IT WASN'T EVEN PROFITABLE. UM, SO IT'S ALREADY WAS CONSIDERED A THROWAWAY IN 2022. SO NO, I, I'M VERY CAUTIOUS, CONCERNED 'CAUSE I DO THIS EVERY SINGLE DAY. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WORK, HOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LIVE, AND WE'RE GONNA THROW AWAY THEM GIVING FIVE YEARS AND PUT IN A HARD NO AFTER FIVE YEARS, NO MCDONALD'S, YOU CAN'T COME BACK THREE YEARS. MCDONALD'S, YOU CAN'T COME BACK. BUT JUST THAT HARD NOTE, I'M CONSIDERING THE PEOPLE, NOT THE BUILDINGS GOING UP OF SOMEBODY WHO OWNS MAJOR REAL ESTATES IN THE MILLION THAT'S HOPING FOR WHAT THEY CAN BUILD. THEY CAN BUILD THAT AND MCDONALD'S GET FIVE YEARS AND THESE PEOPLE CAN STILL KEEP THEIR JOB AND WE CAN'T THINK ABOUT PEOPLE FIRST. THEN WHAT ARE WE DOING AROUND THE HORSESHOE? WE ALREADY DON'T CONSIDER 'EM WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING IN THE MORE AFFLUENT AREAS OF DALLAS. WE VOTE AGAINST IT AND DON'T EVEN ASK FOR IT. AND QUITE A BIT OF AFF FLUENCY HAPPENING AROUND THIS HORSESHOE. YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, UH, PLEASE GO AHEAD OR GO AFTER YOU. YES. SO, UH, MY SON NOW GOES DOWNTOWN AT A-D-I-S-D SCHOOL. UM, THE PARENTS ARE A MIXED ENVIRONMENT, RIGHT? WE HAVE WELL OFF PARENTS ALL THE WAY TO PARENTS AT THE LOWEST STANDARDS OF POVERTY. UM, I HAVE A VERY LIVED EXPERIENCE IN DOWNTOWN. THIS SCHOOL THAT WAS BUILT HERE WAS PART OF A PLAN TO BE INSIDE OF THE SMART CITIES NOW CALLED NEW ERA. NONE OF THAT PLAN HAS COME TO FRUITION IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. I THINK 2017 WAS WHEN IT WAS FIRST PRESENTED. WE HAVE A PLAN FOR A DECK PARK OVER 30. WE HAVE PLANS ALL AROUND THIS CITY THAT HAVE NOT COME INTO FRUITION, ESPECIALLY DOWNTOWN. HOW DARE I ASK A BUSINESS OWNER TO MAKE A PLAN OFF OF AN IDEA THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS A HISTORY IN THIS CITY OF NOT DEVELOPING THE PLANS THAT HE PRESENTS. LET'S BE HONEST HERE. WE TALKED ABOUT THE PEOPLE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE $15 AN HOUR EMPLOYEES THAT I MANAGE, THE TEMP AGENCIES THAT I MANAGE THAT COME THROUGH THIS CITY, THAT SERVE THIS CITY THROUGH VIRUSES, THROUGH SHOOTINGS, THROUGH RIOTS. THE 3 0 1 AGENTS HANDLE EVERYTHING FROM SOMEONE SELLING DRUGS IN FRONT OF MY DOOR TO MY CAR HAS BEEN AUTO POUND. THEY HANDLE IT ALL. THEY GET A 30 MINUTE LUNCH. IT TAKES 'EM 30 MINUTES TO WALK TO MCDONALD'S RIGHT NOW. IT'S THE ONLY OPTION THEY HAVE THAT THEY CAN AFFORD. THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO EAT. NOT ONE THING INSIDE THE AT T EXCHANGE BUILDING. THEY CAN'T AFFORD A CHICK-FIL-A HAPPY MEAL FOR $7. WHERE ARE WE GOING TO EXPECT THE PEOPLE WHO PROVIDE THE SERVICES TO US TO EAT AND SURVIVE IN THIS CITY IF WE CONTINUE MAKING DECISIONS THAT DESTROY THEM? THE PLAN, THE 360 PLAN WAS PUT INTO PLACE. IT WAS WORKED ON BY DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS. WHY WASN'T MCDONALD'S AT THE TABLE? WHY WASN'T MCDONALD'S INCLUDED? THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOR 45 YEARS. THEY SHOULD HAVE LED THE PLAN. I'M WITH YOU. OKAY? WE HAVE A PLAN IN THE CITY. WE HAVE A A THOROUGH PLAN. WE WANT 'EM TO PHASE OUT. THERE SHOULD BE A PHASE OUT. BUT IF THEY PHASED OUT IN 22 FOR A PLAN THAT NEVER CAME ABOUT TODAY, IT'S STILL NOT IN EXISTENCE. WHAT WE WERE PHASING THEM OUT FOR THREE YEARS AGO, TWO YEARS AGO, IT DOESN'T [05:35:01] EXIST TODAY. NOTHING HAS MOVED IN CONSTRUCTION AROUND THIS AREA, AROUND THE SAME PLANS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN THIS WAS DENIED TWO YEARS AGO. SO HOW, WHEN IT WAS APPROVED TWO YEARS AGO. SO HOW DARE US CONSIDER PLANS THAT ARE IDEAS, NOT THE 360 PLAN, BUT THE OTHER PLANS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE GREYHOUND STATION, THE PARKING LOTS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. WHEN WE HAVE SEEN NO MOVEMENT ON ANY OF THESE PLANS FROM ONE SIDE OF DOWNTOWN ALL THE WAY TO THE OTHER. THE ONLY INVESTMENT I'VE SEEN HAS BEEN FROM DISD IN THE SCHOOL. MY POINT IS, THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE INSIDE THIS BUILDING, INSIDE THE FEDERAL BUILDING, ACROSS THE STREET, INSIDE THE HOUSEKEEPERS AT THE ALOFT, THE HOUSEKEEPERS AT THE ADOLPHUS. THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE THAT CAN'T EAT AT THE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE IN THE BUILDING THAT WE WE'RE WORKING ON AND DEPEND ON THAT MCDONALD'S, THEY CAN'T WALK BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE LUNCH. THE ONE, THE WOMEN WHO LIVE IN THE, THE MOSAIC BUILDING DOWNTOWN, THEY CAN WALK ACROSS THE STREET TO THE TACO STAND OR WALK ACROSS THE STREET TO THE MCDONALD'S, BUT THEY HAVE TO GET THREE KIDS DRESSED IN THE MIDDLE OF A NO MEMBER WINTER TO WALK THAT WALK. THAT'S TIME THAT POOR PEOPLE DON'T HAVE. WE JUST DON'T, WE, YEAH, I'M WANT TO, BUT THAT'S MY POINT. SO IN ALL OF OUR CONSIDERATIONS AND, AND THOUGHT PROCESS, CAN WE AT LEAST THINK ABOUT WHAT'S LEFT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO OPERATE FUNCTION, CLEAN, THE BUILDINGS THAT SERVICE US, THE STREETS THAT SERVICE US TODAY, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE LEFT TO GO? THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. UH, AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, UH, DOWNTON DALLAS INC. IN FACT DID NOT TAKE A POSITION ON THIS CASE EITHER IN SUPPORT OR IN OPPOSITION. UM, AND THEN ALSO HAD, YOU KNOW, UH, THE, THE MENTION OF ROSS AVENUE KIND OF JARRED MY MEMORY A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I I DO REMEMBER WHEN, WHEN THAT AREA WAS TRANSITIONING AND, AND KIND OF THE FRICTION THAT IT CAUSED, IN PARTICULAR WITH ONE, ONE OPERATOR, AN AUTOMOTIVE OPERATOR, UH, WHO IN FACT, UH, CAME TO THIS BODY. AND THEN THIS IS THE PART WHERE I'M, I MIGHT NOT HAVE THE CLEAREST MEMORY, BUT, UH, I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE HEARD HIM THREE TIMES. UH, I THINK IT WAS MORE THAN ONCE FOR SURE. AND WE, UH, WE KEPT TELLING HIM, IT'S TIME TO GO, IT'S TIME TO GO. AND EVENTUALLY IT WAS TIME TO GO. AND THEN I BELIEVE IT WENT TO COUNCIL, AND THEN COUNCIL GAVE 'EM MULTIPLE CHANCES, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S TIME TO GO, SIR. AND EVENTUALLY THEY DID. UH, SOMEONE SAID THEY RIPPED THE BANDAID OFF. AND, UM, TO GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID BEFORE, UH, I THINK IT IS, IT IS TIME, UH, AT SOME POINT, BUT THAT TIME FOR ME TODAY, UH, I THINK CONSIDERING IT WAS AT STAKE AND THE FUZZINESS ABOUT, UH, THE FUTURE OF THAT AREA, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT A LITTLE MORE CLEAR BEFORE I WOULD VOTE TO RIP THE BANDAID OFF. UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, FORESIGHT? I SEE YOUR HAND. THIS HAS BEEN A GOOD LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR ME BECAUSE IT GIVES ME THE OPPORTUNITY, SINCE I'M NEW ON THE COMMISSION, NOT NEARLY AS EXPERIENCED AS ALL OF YOU, UH, TO READ WHAT IT SAYS IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE ABOUT SUVS. AND IT SAYS, THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL NOT GRANT AN SUP FOR USE EXCEPT UPON, UPON A FINDING THAT THE USE WILL A COMPLIMENT OR BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES IN COMMUNITY FACILITIES. I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN SAY THAT THIS USE IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES IF THEIR PARKING LOTS PRIMARILY AND THEN B, CONTRIBUTE TO ENHANCE OUR, PROMOTE THE WELFARE OF THE AREA OF REQUEST AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES. WE'VE HEARD, I MEAN THIS, THIS, YOU KNOW, MCDONALD'S SERVES THIS AREA AND, AND, AND, AND THE WORKERS IN THE AREA AND, AND IT ALSO PROVIDES EMPLOYMENT AND THEY'VE BEEN A GOOD CITIZEN. SO CERTAINLY THEY ARE PROMOTING THE WELFARE OF THE AREA AND THEN NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE. WE'VE NOT HEARD ANYTHING IN TERMS OF THEM CAUSING A PROBLEM. WE'VE HEARD THAT THEY'RE A RESPONSIBLE BUSINESS COMMISSIONER. SHADI ACTUALLY SAT THERE AND, AND WATCHED AND SAID THAT THE DRIVE THROUGH IS VERY EFFICIENT. SO THEY'VE GOT A WELL ESTABLISHED OPERATION. WE SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHING THEM BY CLOSING THEM DOWN BY NOT APPROVING THEIR SUP. AND, AND THEN FINALLY IT SAYS CONFORM AND ALL OTHER RESPECTS TO ALL ZONING REGULATIONS AND STANDARDS. AND CERTAINLY THEY HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE SITE PLAN, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'VE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN LINE THERE TOO. SO I DON'T SEE HOW WE DENY THIS SUP BASED ON, YOU KNOW, JUST READING WHAT IT SAYS IN OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE. [05:40:02] COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE TAKE A RECORD VOTE? OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, UH, YOUR LIGHT IS ON COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34, 1 39. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, NOT FOLLOW A RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF, BUT RATHER DENY THE APPLICATION. WE'LL TAKE A RECORD VOTE. DISTRICT ONE, DISTRICT TWO AYE. DISTRICT THREE NAY. DISTRICT FOUR? NO. DISTRICT FIVE? NO. DISTRICT SIX? AYE. DISTRICT SEVEN? NO. DISTRICT EIGHT? NO. DISTRICT NINE? YES. DISTRICT 10? YES. DISTRICT 11 ABSENT DISTRICT 12, NO. DISTRICT 13, NO. DISTRICT 14? YES. AND PLACE 15? NO, I HAVE MOTION FAILS. IS THAT WHAT YOU HAVE? MOTION FAILS. DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION COMMISSIONERS? I IT PLEASE. IN THE MATTER Z 2 3 4 DASH 1 39. I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE SCP SUBJECT. UH, JUST APPROVE THE SUP FOR TWO YEARS, NOT SUBJECT TO ANY AMENDED SITE PLAN OR AMENDED LANDSCAPE PLAN. NO. LET'S GET A SECOND. FIRST. DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. THANK YOU. WELL, I CAN DO THE MATH AND I HAVE BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW IF IT'S NOT GONNA PASS HERE. IT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA PASS COUNCIL EITHER. SO, UM, I DO THINK THAT THIS AREA IS CHANGING. UM, I I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH FIVE YEARS. I GET IT. I'VE LISTENED TO ALL OF YOU, I'VE LISTENED TO MY COLLEAGUES. UM, I THINK TWO YEARS IS TWO YEARS. I SPECIFICALLY SAID NOT AN AMENDED SITE PLAN AND NOT AN AMENDED LANDSCAPE PLAN BECAUSE I REALLY DO THINK THAT A LONG-TERM DRIVE THROUGH AT THIS SITE IS NOT WELL, IT'S, IT'S CLEARLY NOT, UM, CONGRUENT WITH THE 360 PLAN. AND I THINK AS WE SEE THIS PART OF TOWN REDEVELOP, IT'S NOT GONNA BE, UM, A GOOD FIT FOR WHAT'S COMING. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT A MCDONALD'S IS A BAD FIT, I JUST THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID THREE YEARS AGO, YOU REALLY HAVE TO REIMAGINE HOW THIS RESTAURANT OPERATES. UM, AND I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS YOU CAN DO THAT AND IT, IT'S TIME TO DO THAT. UM, AND SO WITH THAT, I, I HOPE THAT ENOUGH OF THE REST OF YOU WILL SUPPORT THIS TO GET THIS, UM, MOVING AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CASE. THANK YOU. WE, MR. CHAIR, ONE CLARIFICATION BEFORE WE TAKE MORE DISCUSSION. UH, JUST AS POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR THE MOTION, UH, BY NOT FOLLOWING THE AMENDED SITE PLAN AND THE AMENDED LANDSCAPE PLAN, THERE IS SOME LANGUAGE IN THE CONDITIONS THAT REFERS TO CHANGES WITHIN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THE SITE PLAN, SPECIFICALLY REQUIREMENTS ON LANDSCAPING ITEMS A, B, AND C, AND THEN WITHIN THE CROSSWALKS THAT'S, UH, CONDITION SEVEN, UH, ABOUT CROSSWALK PAVEMENT MARKINGS BEING PROVIDED IN THE AREA, SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN. UH, SO THE MOTION I THINK WOULD NEED TO BE, UM, TO BE FOR TWO YEARS AND NO CHANGES TO THE, UH, CONDITIONS OTHERWISE. CORRECT. THAT'S MY MOTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU OKAY WITH THAT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? OKAY. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE. UM, IS THERE ANY WAY I CAN OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT SPLITS THE DIFFERENCE? IS THERE ANY WAY THAT I CAN OFFER FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS THAT SPLITS THE DIFFERENCE FROM THE TWO TO, UM, TO THREE YEARS? AND IS THERE ANY LANGUAGE THAT WE CAN PUT IN PLACE THAT AFTER THREE YEARS, SO THREE YEARS WOULD GIVE THEM EFFICIENT ENOUGH TIME, UM, POSSIBLY START USING THAT, PROMOTING THE APP , AND WALK OUT? [05:45:11] UH, YEAH, YOU CAN ASK THE MAKER OF THE MOTION IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, AND IF THE ANSWER'S NO, THEN YOU COULD MAKE YOUR OWN AMENDED MOTION. I HEAR YOU. I THINK THAT WAS THE QUESTION. COMMISSIONER, PLEASE. THE QUESTION FOR STAFF, I'VE ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO WRITE A DROP DEAD DATE INTO AN SEP. I MEAN, THE TIME PERIOD COULD BE AMENDED IN A MOTION, BUT WE AREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT. SOMEONE ALWAYS HAS THE RIGHT TO COME BACK AND TRY TO RENEW AN SEP, CORRECT? THERE'S NO, UM, WE CAN'T SAY THIS IS IT. THIS IS, THIS IS THE LAST TIME AND YOU CAN'T ASK, SO CORRECT. AN APPLICANT CAN ALWAYS CAN'T DO THAT. AN APPLICANT CAN ALWAYS COME IN AND REQUEST EITHER RENEWAL OR IF IT WERE TO EXPIRE, THEY COULD REQUEST A NEW SUP. YES. YEAH. SO I'M NOT, SO LET ME SAY THAT WE ARE, BUT KIND OF, AND YOU CAN'T SAY IT, BUT THREE YEARS GIVES ENOUGH TIME TO WHATEVER IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED, WE KNOW THE APP IS POPULAR. I I ORDER ON THE APP AND PICK IT UP, BUT WHATEVER IT TAKES FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO TRANSITION OVER FROM A DRIVE THROUGH IN THREE YEARS, WE SHOULD BE SEEING THE EFFECTS OF, UM, K BAILEY. UM, AND SOME OF THE THINGS AROUND TWO YEARS SEEMS SHORT, BUT THE THREE YEARS KNOWING THAT WHEN THEY GET BACK, THERE'S A POSS STRONG POSSIBILITY. I WOULD HOPE THAT MCDONALD'S PRETTY MUCH KNOWS THAT THIS DECISION WAS HARDER THAN THE FIRST TIME. UM, BUT THREE YEARS SPLITS IT AND, UM, FROM THE FIVE AND HELPS THEM BE ABLE TO TRANSITION TWO YEARS IS QUICK. YEAH. WELL, JUST TO FOLLOW THE PROTOCOL, THE FIRST PROCESS IS TO ASK MR. KINGSTON IF SHE WOULD ACCEPT THAT AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. WOULD YOU ACCEPT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT OF THREE YEARS, UM, WITH THE VERSUS TWO, WITH THE WHO, WITH THE DROP DEAD DATE? UH, WE CAN'T HAVE A, WE CAN'T ADD THE DROP DEAD. NO, WE, WE CANNOT DO THAT. AND WE CAN'T ASK THE APPLICANT TO, TO CAN'T. IS THAT A DEED AMENDMENT? WE CANNOT DO THAT, BUT I, I THINK FROM THE LANGUAGE FOR MOST OF US, I THINK IT'S PERFECTLY CLEAR HERE WE'RE WHERE WE'RE HEADED, BUT ALL RIGHT. UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I DO NOT WANNA ACCEPT THAT I, WE CAN'T ACCEPT THE SECOND CONDITION. I ALREADY SAID IT THE LAST TIME, SO THAT CLEARLY WOULDN'T WORK. ANYWAY, I'M STICKING WITH TWO YEARS. OKAY. DO YOU WANNA MAKE ANOTHER, UH, MOTION THEN WOULD OKAY, SECOND IT. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER, WE'LL TAKE THAT MOTION UP FIRST, UH, TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WHAT, AND KEEP THE, THE LANDSCAPING LANGUAGE, UH, FROM COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THAT SHE, WHAT SHE, WHAT SHE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION. THE ONLY CHANGE IS THE THREE YEARS. OKAY. EXACTLY. INSTEAD OF THE TWO. YES, ALL THE OTHER LANGUAGE, UH, STAYS THE SAME, BUT WE'RE CONSIDERING THREE YEARS INSTEAD OF TWO. AND IT, UH, SECOND ABOUT COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT DISCUSSION OF, OF THAT I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. I, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. COMMISSIONER HOUSE, UH, HERBERT. YEAH, I'LL, I'LL SUPPORT THE THREE YEARS. LIKE I SAID, THAT SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING, I DON'T EVEN THINK THERE'S A ZONING APPLICATION FOR WHICH THERE'S A YEAR PROCESS IN ITSELF, RIGHT. SO I THINK THIS GIVES ENOUGH TIME FOR THOSE APPLICATIONS TO GET IN OTHER ZONINGS TO, TO HAPPEN. THE DECK PARK SHOULD BE ON THE WAY BY THEN AND, UM, THE BANK OF AMERICAN REDO SHOULD BE IN PLACE AS WELL. SO I THINK THE THREE YEARS IS A, A BETTER AMOUNT OF TIME, BUT I'LL, I'LL SUPPORT IT. ALRIGHT, RUBEN? YEAH, I'M NOT GONNA BE SUPPORTING THE THREE YEAR AMENDMENT AND I, I THINK TWO YEARS IS AN APPROPRIATE TIME PERIOD FOR THIS APPLICANT, THE OPERATOR TO, TO GET THINGS FIGURED OUT. AND I WILL ADD THAT RIGHT NOW. UM, THE CITY'S POLICY IS THAT IF YOU APPLY FOR A RENEWAL OF AN SUP, WHICH THEY WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO TODAY, IF WE EXTEND IT FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME, IS THAT THE OPERATOR'S ALLOWED TO CONTINUE OPERATING THE USE ALLOWED BY THE SUP UNTIL THE, UM, SUP EXTENSION CASE IS CON CONCLUDED. SO I SINCERELY HOPE THAT, THAT THE DRIVE THROUGH IS PHASED OUT WITHIN TWO YEARS, BUT MY FEAR IS THAT A THREE YEAR REPRIEVE COULD IN TURN INTO A FOUR YEAR REPRIEVE. SO I, I, I SIMPLY THINK THAT THREE YEARS IS TOO LONG CONSIDERING EXISTING CITY POLICY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. THANK YOU. I ALSO WILL NOT SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT. UM, I THINK COMMISSIONER RUBIN, VICE CHAIR RUBIN CAPTURED IT. THIS SUP WAS RENEWED IN 2021. IT EXPIRED IN DECEMBER OF 2023. SO WE ARE EFFECTIVELY A THREE YEAR SUP TODAY, I THINK TWO YEARS. THIS WAS THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD TWO YEARS AGO. AS OTHERS HAVE OBSERVED, I THINK THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO HEAR US [05:50:01] THAT IT'S TIME TO START LOOKING AT HOW TO TRANSITION THE SITE. I HEARD EVERYONE'S COMMENTS. I AM SYMPATHETIC TO THOSE WHO RELY ON THIS BUSINESS DOWNTOWN. IT IS MY HOPE THAT THE BUSINESS WHO HAS HAD OTHER NON DRIVE-THROUGHS FINDS A SOLUTION. I THINK THIS IS A VALUABLE PART OF OUR DOWNTOWN ENVIRONMENT AND I HOPE THAT IT REMAINS, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE THAT IT MOVES AWAY FROM THE DRIVE-THROUGH BUSINESS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT? SIMPLY DITTO. VICE CHAIR RUBEN. DITTO. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. THANK YOU. OKAY. MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER HAW? YEAH. UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH. I WAS THINKING THREE YEARS INSTEAD OF TWO, BUT, UH, NOW THAT COMMISSIONER RUBIN HAS SPOKE UP, I I, I UNDERSTAND THE TECHNICALITY OF THAT, SO I THINK I COULD SUPPORT THE MOTION IS MADE FOR A TWO YEAR SUP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I'LL BE SUPPORTING TWO YEARS AS WELL. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES. THANK YOU FOR THE EDUCATION. I UNDERSTAND AND, AND WILL SUPPORT THAT. UM, I DO WANT US AROUND THE HORSESHOE TO CONSIDER WHAT I EXPERIENCE NOW IN THE DRIVE UP ONLY AREAS IS A FIGHT WITH UBER AND DOORDASH DOWNTOWN. UM, THAT'S A PROBLEM. SO AS WE GO FORWARD, RIGHT, HOW DO WE CONSIDER THAT AND THINK ABOUT THAT. I JUST WANT TO PUT IT OUT THERE, RIGHT? WE'RE GONNA CLOSE ONE ISSUE AND OFFER ANOTHER ISSUE. BE BE COGNIZANT OF IT, BUT THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THREE YEARS KEEPING THE SAME LANGUAGE, UH, FROM COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. LEMME GET A RECORD VOTE ON THAT ONE PLEASE. ON THE, UH, THE MOTION FOR THREE YEARS? YES. DISTRICT ONE. WE'RE VOTING ON THREE YEARS. NO, WE'RE VOTING ON THREE, RIGHT? RIGHT. YES. DISTRICT TWO? NO. DISTRICT THREE? NO. DISTRICT FOUR? YES. DISTRICT FIVE? YES. DISTRICT SIX? NO. DISTRICT SEVEN? YES. DISTRICT EIGHT? YES. DISTRICT NINE, DISTRICT 10? NO. DISTRICT 11 ABSENT. DISTRICT 12? YES. DISTRICT 13. MAY I CLARIFY, THIS IS A VOTE ON A THREE YEAR SUP? CORRECT. ALRIGHT. UH, THEN THE ANSWER? YEAH. OKAY. UH, NO. DISTRICT 14, NO IN PLACE. 15 NOW. OKAY. MOTION FAILS. WE GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION. LET'S TAKE THAT RECORD. VOTE PLEASE. DISTRICT ONE, DISTRICT TWO? YES. DISTRICT THREE? YES. DISTRICT FOUR? YES. DISTRICT FIVE? YES. DISTRICT SIX? YES. DISTRICT SEVEN, DISTRICT EIGHT? YES. DISTRICT NINE? YES. DISTRICT 10? YES. DISTRICT 11. ABSENT DISTRICT 12? YES. DISTRICT 13? YES. DISTRICT 14? YES. AND PLACE 15? YES. MOTION PASSES. UH, COMMISSIONERS. 4 26. LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK. , MAY WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. COMMISSIONERS. IT IS 4:38 PM UH, LET'S GET BACK ON THE RECORD. OH, TURN. [05:55:15] YES, SIR, MR. CLINTON. [12. An application for an MU-3 Mixed-Use District with deed restrictions volunteered by the applicant on property zoned an IR Industrial Research District, on the west line of Gretna Street, between Burgess Boulevard and Mississippi Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval of an MF-3(A) Multifamily District in lieu of an MU-3 Mixed-Use District. Applicant: Steve Berman Representative: Audra Buckley, Permitted Development Planner: LeQuan Clinton Council District: 6 Z234-281(LC)] ALL RIGHT. I CAN'T PROMISE THAT THIS CASE WILL BE AS INTERESTING AS THE LAST ONE, BUT THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 12, KZ 2 34 DASH 2 81. IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT WITH D RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT ON THE WEST LINE OF GRETNA STREET BETWEEN BURGESS BOULEVARD AND MISSISSIPPI AVENUE. PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY AND ALLOW MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ON SITE APPROXIMATELY 17,000 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL SIZE. UH, AGAIN, IT'S, UH, CURRENTLY ZONED IR, UM, DEVELOPED WITH A MIX OF EX EXISTING BUILDINGS, SERVICE PARKING, UM, A BIT OF UNDEVELOPED AREA AND IS GATED. THIS LOT HAS FRONTAGE ON GRETNA STREET. IT'S ABOUT, UH, FIVE MILES FROM DOWNTOWN, UM, LOCATED IN THE SOUTHWEST DALLAS NEXT TO TRINITY RIVER. AND, UH, AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE SITE TO ME THREE, UH, TO ALLOW MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT OF 18 TOWNHOUSE STYLE MULTIFAMILY UNITS. UM, ME THREE WAS, UH, REQUESTED FOR THE FAR. UH, NO ADDITIONAL USES. UM, AND, UH, SORRY, I THINK I MIS MISTYPED THAT. UH, BUT AGAIN, MU THREE IS BEING REQUESTED FOR THE FAR. UH, THE APPLICANT IS VOLUNTEERING DE RESTRICTIONS, UM, ON THE USES AND AS WELL AS THE HEIGHT. UH, THERE'S, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN ONE ZONING CASE IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, AND THIS IS A GENERAL ZONING CHANGE. HERE'S OUR APP, UH, LOCATION MAP. THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP AND OUR ZONING MAP SHOWING THE SURROUNDING USES. UH, THE SITE IS IR WITH, UH, WAREHOUSE, UH, SURFACE PARKING, UH, TO THE NORTH, RETAIL TO THE SOUTH, UH, IR AND WHOLESALE DISTRIBUTION AS WELL AS RETAIL TO THE EAST AND WEST ARE ALSO RETAIL USES. HERE WE HAVE SITE VISIT PHOTOS. THIS IS ON SITE LOOKING WEST. THIS IS ON SITE LOOKING SOUTH, ON SITE ON, UH, GRETNA STREET, LOOKING NORTH ON SITE LOOKING EAST. UH, BRIEF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS CHARTS. SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUEST, UH, REQUESTING MB THREE WITH UH, D RESTRICTIONS. HOWEVER, UH, STAFF IS, UH, RECOMMENDING EITHER AN MF THREE OR AN MU ONE, UH, BRIEF ANALYSIS. UH, SO THE, THE REQUESTS MAY NOT FIT WITHIN THE EXISTING USES IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE, UM, THERE HAS BEEN ONE OTHER CASE OF SIMILAR REQUESTS. UM, NOT TOO FAR. STAFF DOES NOT FIND THAT THE THE REQUEST FITS, UH, IN THIS, UH, IMMEDIATE AREA. THE AREA OF REQUESTS WOULD COMPLY WITH, UM, CERTAIN GOALS AND POLICIES OF OVERALL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UH, BUT AGAIN, IT MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE IN THIS IMMEDIATE AREA. UM, DEAR RESTRICTIONS TO, UH, SETBACKS, UH, WOULD BE POSSIBLE AS WELL AS, UH, PROHIBITED USES. AND AGAIN, UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPLICANT CONSIDER A DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT, UM, MF THREE OR AN MB ONE. THESE WERE SUGGESTED OR ARE BEING RECOMMENDED BECAUSE IT WOULD ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO GET, UH, WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED IN TERMS OF HEIGHT, USES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND D RESTRICTIONS. UM, THE USE OR THE NEED OF D RESTRICTIONS WOULD BE ELIMINATED. SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF AN MMF THREE, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT IN LIEU OF AN MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT. SIR. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, UH, CAN YOU PLEASE REREAD IT INTO THE RECORD ONE MORE TIME, MAKE SURE WE GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF? YES, SORRY. SO THIS IS UH, ITEM NUMBER 12, KZ 2 34 DASH 2 81 AND APPLICATION FOR AN MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT WITH D RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT ON THE WEST LINE OF GRETNA STREET BETWEEN BURGESS BOULEVARD AND MISSISSIPPI AVENUE. STAFF'S. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF AN MF THREE, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT IN LIEU OF AN MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT. THANK YOU SIR. [06:00:01] UH, LADIES AND GENERAL, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE. AUDRA BUCKLEY. 1414 BELLEVUE STREET, SUITE ONE 50, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5 HERE TO REPRESENT THE APPLICANT WHO IS ALSO NOW THE PROPERTY OWNER. UH, THAT CHANGED WHILE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. UM, THE OWNER OF THIS IS NOW GRETA TOWNHOMES, LLC. THIS, THIS IS ONE OF MANY MIXED USE REQUESTS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, PUT FORWARD PRIMARILY BY ME IN THE LAST OH 10, 12 YEARS. UH, A LOT OF THOSE MIXED USES THAT YOU SEE ON YOUR ZONING MAP WERE ONES THAT WE HAD BROUGHT FORWARD, UH, LOW THESE MANY YEARS. AND YOU KNOW, THE PANDEMIC KIND OF SLOWED THAT DOWN FOR A LITTLE BIT AND NOW EVERYTHING'S KIND OF PICKED BACK UP IN THIS AREA. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTICED IN THE STAFF REPORT, UM, IS ON PAGE 12 SIX UNDER THE STAFF ANALYSIS, THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT AREA PLANS THAT APPLIED TO THIS PARTICULAR SITE AND WE COMPLY WITH ALL OF THEM. UM, THIS IS AN AREA THAT IS TRANSITIONING INTO, UH, A MORE OF A MIXED USE AND, UM, THIS IS NOT COMPLETELY OUT OF, UH, CHARACTER WITH WHAT HAS BEEN DONE. THIS IS THE WAY THIS AREA IS PROGRESSING. UM, THE DE RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND I KIND OF TIGHTEN THOSE UP A LITTLE BIT. SO IF YOU DO DECIDE TO MAKE A MOTION TO GO WITH THE BU THREE WITH THE VOLUNTEER DEED RESTRICTIONS, I WILL HAVE TO READ THEM INTO THE RECORD. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR MS. BUCKLEY. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE. MS. BUCKLEY, THIS REPORT SHOWS THAT THERE'S COMMERCIAL, THAT THIS AREA IS PREDOMINANTLY COMMERCIAL RETAIL. HAVE YOU SEEN ANY COMMERCIAL RETAIL IN THIS AREA? UH, NO. MOST OF THE USES THAT ARE OUT HERE FALL UNDER THE COMMERCIAL AND BUSINESS SERVICES CATEGORY IN THE CODE. THERE'S VERY LITTLE JUST OUT, OUT RETAIL. RIGHT, BECAUSE I, WHEN I SAW THE REPORT AND I READ THAT, I THOUGHT, WELL THIS DOESN'T JIVE WITH WHAT I'VE, I'VE EXPERIENCED OUT THERE, BUT I'D BETTER GO OUT THERE AGAIN TO MAKE SURE NOTHING'S HAPPENED SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE. I CAN'T FIND A SINGLE INCIDENT OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL IN THE ENTIRE AREA. NOT ON GRETNA BURGESS, ANY OF THEM. THERE ARE OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSES THAT MIGHT MM-HMM. IF YOU'RE NOT REAL FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, LOOK LIKE RETAIL, BUT, UM, WOULD, WOULD, UH, WOULD YOU SAY THIS IS MORE LIKE WHAT THE DESIGN DISTRICT LOOKED LIKE 25 YEARS AGO? ABSOLUTELY, YES. AND IS THE REDEVELOPMENT PATTERN FOLLOWING A, A MIXED USE YES. DEVELOPMENT? ABSOLUTELY. AND THE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE GOING IN NOW FALL INTO THE, YOU KNOW, CREATIVE OFFICE, UM, OFFICE, SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE, THAT SORT OF THING? YES. OKAY. UH, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THE APPLICATION IS FOR MU THREE? YES, YOU KNOW, WE WERE, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE FAR ASPECT BECAUSE WE ARE KIND OF RESTRICTED ON PROPERTY, SO, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO AS HIGH AS MU THREE ALLOWED BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A NEED TO. THE OTHER REASON WE PICKED MU THREE IS WE WOULD LIKE FOR PEOPLE WHO MOVE IN THERE, IF THEY DO DECIDE THEY WANT TO CONVERT THAT FIRST FLOOR INTO AN OFFICE OR A SMALL RETAIL SPACE OR A SALON OR WHATEVER, WE WANT THEM TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT. FOLLOW THE PATTERN OF PREVIOUS, UH, MIXED USE THAT HAS RESULTED IN SOME LIVE WORK? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND IN THE ME THREE ARE THE, UH, THE SETBACK ARE IDENTICAL AND THE LOT COVERAGE IS IDENTICAL TO WHAT IS IN THE SURROUNDING IR. IS THAT NOT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 15 FEET FRONT YARD, NO SIDE OR REAR REQUIRED IF YOU DON'T HAVE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY AND 80%. SO THERE'S NO CONTINUITY ISSUE THERE? CORRECT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS OF THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF PLEASE? I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION BUT DOES, UH, IF IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE, UM, OR REFER TO DEED RESTRICTIONS, DOES MS. BUCKLEY NEED TO READ THE DEED RESTRICTIONS INTO THE RECORD? MS. MARK, OUR ATTORNEY? YEAH, THESE ARE DE DEED RESTRICTIONS WE HAD DISTRIBUTED, UH, EARLIER THIS WEEK. WERE THE LATEST DEED RESTRICTIONS DISTRIBUTED TO EVERYONE? THEY WOULD'VE BEEN YESTERDAY. MM. NOT IN THE DOCKET, NOT THE COPY FROM THE DOCKET. YOU DO NEED TO READ THAT. YES, I TOOK A DEEP BREATH. . OKAY. SO ARE WE, WE'RE GOING WITH THE FORMAT THAT WE HAD IN THE DOCKET, CORRECT? OF WHAT'S PERMITTED? YES. [06:05:01] OKAY, SO THANK GOD WERAN THIS DOWN. OKAY, . SO I'M JUST GONNA START IN SUBSECTION TWO. UH, THE ONLY MIXED USE THREE MAIN USES SHALL BE PERMITTED AGRICULTURAL USES, CROP PRODUCTION, COMMERCIAL AND BUSINESS SERVICE USES CATERING SERVICE, CUSTOM BUSINESS SERVICES, ELECTRONIC SERVICE CENTER INSTITUTIONAL COM AND COMMUNITY SERVICE USES WILL BE ADULT DAYCARE FACILITY, CHILDCARE FACILITY, CHURCH LIBRARY, ART GALLERY OR MUSEUM. MISCELLANEOUS USES WOULD BE TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION OR SALES OFFICE. OFFICE USES FINANCIAL INSTITUTION WITHOUT A DRIVE-IN WINDOW MEDICAL CLINIC OR AN AMBULATORY SURGICAL CENTER OFFICE. RESIDENTIAL USES DUPLEX, MULTIFAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, HOTEL, RETIREMENT, HOUSING, RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE USES GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS. NURSERY GARDEN SHOP OR PLANT SALES. PERSONAL SERVICE USES SUBJECT TO SECTION TWO BELOW RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE IN OR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE. TEMPORARY RETAIL USE. TRANSPORTATION USES OR TRANSIT. PASSENGER CENTER, UH, SHELTER, UTILITY AND PUBLIC SERVICE USES WOULD BE LOCAL UTILITIES, POLICE OR FIRE STATION, POST OFFICE, RADIO, TELEVISION OR MICROWAVE TOWER. TOWER ANTENNA FOR CELLULAR COMMUNICATION, UTILITY OR GOVERNMENTAL INSTALLATION. OTHER THAN LISTED NUMBER TWO IS PROHIBITED. USES WOULD BE BAIL BONDS AND MASSAGE PARLORS. AND EXCEPT FOR THE FOLLOWING, THE YARD LOT IN SPACE WILL FOLLOW THE MU THREE ZONING DISTRICT. THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS LIMITED TO 90 FEET. THAT WASN'T BAD. , I, UH, WE DO HAVE THOSE ON THE RECORD. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34 DASH 2 81. I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, BUT FOR AN MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS READ INTO THE RECORD BY THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND AID DISCUSSION. YES, THIS CASE FOLLOWS PRETTY CLOSELY ON THE HEELS OF THE BRIEFING THAT WE HAD EARLIER TODAY IN THE FACT THAT THERE IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT OR IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND A STRAIGHT ZONING SOLUTION TO AN AREA THAT IS REDEVELOPING FROM INDUSTRIAL TO MIXED USE. THIS IS, UH, WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING A, I I DID SPEAK TO STAFF SEVERAL YEARS AGO ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING AN AUTHORIZED HEARING TO CLEAN THIS AREA UP ONCE AND FOR ALL, BUT, UM, THE TIMELINE WAS DISCOURAGING AND I'M JUST HAVING TO DO IT ON AN AD HOC BASIS. SO WE'RE TRYING TO ADHERE TO A, A PRETTY CONSISTENT TEMPLATE OF, UH, USES AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HEIGHTS AND, UH, THE, THE BASE, UM, MIXED USE SONY. UM, WHILE THE INTENTION HERE, UH, RIGHT NOW IS TO BUILD TOWN HOMES IN THE CASE OF FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT, NOT ANTICIPATING IT, BUT IN THE CASE OF FUTURE, WE'RE TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE TYPE OF USES THAT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE IN, IN THIS KIND OF MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. ANY DISCUSSION? SEE YOU. NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. A OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES CREDIT. 13. UM, THIS IS GONNA BE HELD NO REASON TO. NO. YEAH, WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT GONNA BRIEF, IT'S GONNA GET HELD SO WE JUST NEED TO READ IT IN THE RECORD. [13. An application for an LI Light Industrial District, with consideration of a CS Commercial Service District on property zoned an A(A) Agricultural District with Special Use Permit No. 890 for a radio, television, or microwave tower, on the southwest line of South-Central Expressway between Youngblood Road and Lyndon B. Johnson Freeway. Staff Recommendation: Approval of a CS Commercial Service district in lieu of an LI Light Industrial District. Applicant: NAGS Resources, LLC Representative: Gary Sibley Planner: LeQuan Clinton Council District: 8 Z234-287(LC)] EASY. EASY. THIS IS NUMBER . THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 13, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 2 87. AN APPLICATION FOR AN LI LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT WITH CONSIDERATION OF A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT ON PROPERTIES ZONE IN AA AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT WITH SPECIAL, SPECIAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 8 9 0 FOR A RADIO, TELEVISION, OR MICROWAVE TOWER ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY BETWEEN YOUNGBLOOD ROAD AND LYNDON B JOHNSON FREEWAY. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT IN LIEU OF AN LI LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. ALRIGHT, UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 2 87. I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS, UM, MATTER UNTIL 12 FIVE. GREAT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR [06:10:01] FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. [14. An application for a Historic Overlay for the Bianchi House (4503 Reiger Avenue) on property zoned Planned Development No. 98 for residential uses, at the intersection of Reiger Avenue and North Carroll Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to preservation criteria. Landmark Commission Recommendation: Approval, subject to preservation criteria, with a proposed edit. Applicant: 4503 REIGER LLC Representative: Norman Alston, FAIA Planner: Rhonda Dunn, Ph.D. Council District: 2 Z189-161(RD)] ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GO TO NUMBER 14, DR. DUNN. OH, I, I SEE SOME FOLKS ON, ON Q ON CASE NUMBER 14 WHO ARE IN THE BACK. WE'RE COMING TO THAT NEXT, IF YOU WANNA COME ON DOWN AND SAVE YOURSELVES THE GET THE LONG WALK OVER WITH. CAN WE GET THE NEXT RECORD? UH, THE, THE NEXT CASE JUST RIGHT INTO THE RECORD. WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO HOLD THIS ONE, MR. GATE. THE 14? YEAH. 13. NO, 14. YEAH. 14. JUST READ IT. GONNA BE HELD PLEASE. UH, ITEM 14 IS CASES Z 180 9 1 61. AND APPLICATION FOR HISTORIC OVERLAY FOR THE BIANCHI HOUSE. 4 5 0 3 RUGER AVENUE ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 98 FOR RESIDENTIAL USES AT THE INTERSECTION OF RUGER AVENUE, NORTH CAROL AVENUE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO PRESERVATION CRITERIA. THANK YOU SIR. UH, SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS, UH, LEAVING, UH, COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF Z 1 98 DASH 1 61. I MOVE TO HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL DECEMBER 5TH. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION. AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND, UH, DISCUSSION PLEASE. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. WELL JUST, UM, THIS IS A QUESTION OF TIMING TO REVIEW WITH CITY STAFF. I, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY HERE. I THANK YOU GUYS FOR SPENDING YOUR TIME. UH, WE WILL BE IN TOUCH SO THAT WE CAN MOVE THIS FORWARD AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE. AND I, THERE'S BROAD SUPPORT FOR THIS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO MOVING THIS FORWARD AND WORKING WITH THE TEAM ON THAT. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR STAYING WITH US. UH, COMMISSIONERS. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES. ABBOT, [SUBDIVISION DOCKET - Consent Items] WE NOW GO TO OUR SUBDIVISION DOCK AND CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS CONSISTING OF CASES FIFTH 15 THROUGH 24. HOW ARE YOU? I'M GOOD. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THE ITEMS? 15 TO 24. IF NOT, UH, THERE WILL [06:15:01] BE VOTED ON IN ONE MOTION. 15 TO 24 STARTING ON PAGE SEVEN. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR. COMMISSIONER IS, SORRY, SORRY SIR. WHICH CASE ARE YOU ON? I SEE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, I DIDN'T HEAR THE LAST, WHAT WAS THE LAST THREE DIGITS? 4 0 0 4 NUMBER 18. 18. OKAY. SO, UH, THAT WILL BE VOTED ON IN ONE MOTION UNLESS YOU WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE COMMENTS. UH, YEAH. OKAY. ARE YOU THE APPLICANT? OKAY. YEAH, MOST APPLICANTS WANT IT TO JUST STAY ON CONSENT. UH, OKAY, GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR COMMISSIONERS, A**L THE CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTS OF 10 ITEMS. ITEM 15 S 2 4 4 2 4 5 DASH 0 0 1. ITEM 16 S 2 4 5 DASH 0 0 2. ITEM 17 S 2 4 5 DASH 0 0 3. ITEM 18 S 2 4 5 DASH 0 0 4 ITEM 19 S 2 4 5 DASH 0 0 6 ITEM 20 S 2 4 5 DASH SEVEN ITEM 21 S 2 45 DASH 0 0 8 ITEM 22 S 2 45 DASH NINE ITEM 23 S 2 45 DASH ONE ITEM 24 S 2 45 DASH 12 ALL CASE ALL CASES HAVE BEEN POSTED FOR HEARING AT THIS TIME. AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON ITEMS 15 THROUGH 20? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE MOTION AND SORRY, DID I JUST HEAR 20 OR 24? PARDON ME? 24. MY APOLOGIES. THANK YOU. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD THAT RIGHT. . UM, IN THE SUBDIVISION CONSENT AGENDA, ITEMS 15 TO 24, I MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING APPROVE SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR AS BRIEFED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER HETER FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. AYE. [25. An application to replat a 0.560-acre tract of land containing all of Lot 46 and part of Lot 45 in City Block E/6126 to create one lot on property located on Oak Creek Circle, east of Urban Avenue. Applicant/Owner: Diane Solis Surveyor: Data Land Services Corporation Application Filed: October 9, 2024 Zoning: R-7.5(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Hema Sharma Council District: 5 S245-005] NUMBER 25, MS. SHARMA ITEM 25 S 2 4 5 DASH FIVE AN APPLICATION TO REPL EIGHT 0.560 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT 46 AND PART OF LOT 45 IN CITY BLOCK E OVER 6, 1 26 TO CREATE ONE LOT ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON OAK CREEK CIRCLE EAST OF IRV AVENUE. 23 NOTICES WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON OCTOBER 21ST, 2024. WE HAVE RECEIVED TWO REPLY IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLIES IN OPPOSITION TO REQUEST STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE IN THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. SHARMA. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON CASE NUMBER 25 S 2 45 DASH ZERO FIVE? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO QUESTIONS. CHAIR, DID YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO IN THE MATTER OF S 2 4 500 0 5. I'M GONNA DO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED ON THE DOCKET. GREAT. THANK YOU CHAIR FOR YOUR MOTION. UM, COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION SAYING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NA THE MOTION CARRIES. THANK [26. An application to replat a 9.9075-acre tract of land containing all of Lots 2 and 3 in City Block 5453 to create one lot on property located on Park Lane at Boedeker Street, northeast corner. Applicants/Owners: Our Redeemer Evangelical Lutheran Church Surveyor: Raymond L. Goodson Jr. Inc. Application Filed: October 10, 2024 Zoning: R-7.5(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Hema Sharma Council District: 13 S245-010] YOU SIR. ITEM 26 S 2 4 5 DASH 0 1 0 AN APPLICATION TO REPLY IN 9.9075 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT TWO AND THREE IN CITY BLOCK. 5 4, 5 3 TO CREATE ONE LOT ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON PARK LANE, BODY STREET PARK LANE AT BODY COURT STREET, NORTHEAST CORNER. 53 NOTICES WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON OCTOBER 21ST, 2024. WE HAVE RECEIVED TWO REPLIES IN FAVOR AND THREE REPLIES IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. STAFF RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS CASE? OKAY, CNN. COMMISSIONER HALL, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION SIR? I DO. MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU. UH, IN THE MATTER OF CASE 2 34, UH, I'M SORRY, 2 4 5 0 1 0. I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. [06:20:01] THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR MOTION AND VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY COMMENTS? SEE NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYE. THE AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. THINK [27. An application for a Certificate of Appropriateness by Marie Byrum of BYRUM SIGN & LIGHTING, for a 73.7-square-foot LED illuminated attached channel letter sign at 400 S. St. Paul Street (north elevation). Staff Recommendation: Approval. SSDAC Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Marie Byrum of BYRUM SIGN & LIGHTING Owner: St. Paul Apartment Venture LLC Planner: Scott Roper Council District: 2 2409120035] GOOD EVENING. I'M SCOTT ROPER. I'M WITH THE SIGNS REVIEW AND INSPECTION TEAM. I'LL BE STARTING WITH ITEM 27. CASE NUMBER 2 4 0 9 1 2 0 0 3 5 AND APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY MARIE BYRUM OF BYRUM SIGN AND LIGHTING FOR 73.7 SQUARE FOOT. LED ILLUMINATED ATTACHED CHANNEL LETTER SIGN AT 400 SOUTH ST. PAUL STREET NORTH ELEVATION STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. S-S-D-A-C. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL [28. An application for a Certificate of Appropriateness by Marie Byrum of BYRUM SIGN & LIGHTING, for a 155.5-square-foot LED illuminated attached channel letter sign at 400 S. St. Paul Street (west elevation). Staff Recommendation: Approval. SSDAC Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Marie Byrum of BYRUM SIGN & LIGHTING Owner: St. Paul Apartment Venture LLC Planner: Scott Roper Council District: 2 2409120036] CASE NUMBER, ITEM NUMBER 28, CASE 2 4 0 9 1 2 0 0 3 6. AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY MARIE BYRAM OF BYRAM SIGN AND LIGHTING FOR A 155.5 SQUARE FOOT. LED ILLUMINATED ATTACHED CHANNEL LETTER SIGN AT 400 SOUTH ST. PAUL STREET, WEST ELEVATION STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL S-S-D-A-C. RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL [29. An application for a Certificate of Appropriateness by Marie Byrum of BYRUM SIGN & LIGHTING, for a 78-square-foot LED illuminated attached projecting sign at 400 S. St. Paul Street (west elevation). Staff Recommendation: Approval. SSDAC Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Marie Byrum of BYRUM SIGN & LIGHTING Owner: St. Paul Apartment Venture LLC Planner: Scott Roper Council District: 2 2409120037] ITEM 29, CASE 2 4 0 9 1 2 0 0 3 7. AND APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY MARIE BYRAM OF BYRAM SIGN AND LIGHTING FOR A 78 SQUARE FOOT. LED ILLUMINATED. ATTACHED. PROJECTING SIGN AT 400 SOUTH ST. PAUL STREET, WEST ELEVATION STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. S-S-D-A-C. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. [30. An application for a Certificate of Appropriateness by Kenneth Waits of CITY SIGN SERVICES, INC., for a 48-square-foot LED illuminated changeable copy attached marquee sign at 2713 Canton Street (south elevation). Staff Recommendation: Approval. SSDAC Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Kennerth Waits of CITY SIGN SERVICES, INC. Owner: 2713 CANTON LTD Planner: Scott Roper Council District: 2 2409160015] ITEM 30, CASE 2 4 0 9 1 6 0 0 1 5. AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY KENNETH. WAITS OF CITY SIGN SERVICES INCORPORATED FOR A 48 SQUARE FOOT. LED ILLUMINATED, CHANGEABLE. COPY ATTACHED. MARQUEES SIGN AT 27 13 CANTON STREET SOUTH ELEVATION STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL S-S-D-A-C. RECOMMENDATION. APPROVAL [31. An application for a Certificate of Appropriateness by Kenneth Waits of CITY SIGN SERVICES, INC., for a 16-square-foot LED illuminated attached sign at 2713 Canton Street (south elevation). Staff Recommendation: Approval. SSDAC Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Kennerth Waits of CITY SIGN SERVICES, INC. Owner: 2713 CANTON LTD Planner: Scott Roper Council District: 2 2409160016] ITEM 31, CASE 2 4 0 9 1 6 0 0 1 6. AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY KENNETH WAITS OF CITY SIGN SERVICES INCORPORATED FOR A 16 SQUARE FOOT. LED ILLUMINATED ATTACHED SIGN AT 27 13 CANTON STREET, SOUTH ELEVATION. STAFF RE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. S-S-D-A-C. RECOMMENDATION [32. An application for a Certificate of Appropriateness by Kenneth Waits of CITY SIGN SERVICES, INC., for a 16-square-foot illuminated attached sign at 2727 Canton Street (south elevation). Staff Recommendation: Approval. SSDAC Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Kenneth Waits of CITY SIGN SERVICES, INC. Owner: 2713 CANTON LTD Planner: Scott Roper Council District: 2 2409160018] ALSO APPROVAL. ITEM 32, CASE NUMBER 2 4 0 9 1 6 0 0 1 8. AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY KENNETH WADES OF CITY SIGN SERVICES INCORPORATED FOR 16 SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED ATTACHED SIGN AT 27 27 CANTON STREET, SOUTH ELEVATION. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. SSD RECOMMENDATION, ALSO APPROVAL. THANK YOU SIR. COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS? THIS CASE SCENE ON COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. DO YOU HAVE MOTION? I DO. AND IT'S GONNA BE IN, UH, TWO PIECES. SO IN THE MATTER OF 2 4 0 9 1 2 0 0 3 5. CASE NUMBER 2 4 0 9 1 2 0 0 3 6. CASE NUMBER 2 4 0 9 1 2 0 0 3 7. AND CASE NUMBER 2 4 0 9 1 6 0 0 1 8. I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR STAFF AND S-S-D-A-C RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. FREE MOTION AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY COMMENTS? SEEN NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? [06:25:01] MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. IN THE MATTER OF CASE NUMBER 2 4 0 9 1 6 0 0 1 5 AND 2 4 0 9 1 6 0 0 1 6 I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH THE CONDITION THAT ATTACHMENT SHOULD BE AT THE MORTAR JOINTS IN LIEU OF THROUGH FACEBOOK FOR BOTH SIGNS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. A OPPOSED? NICE HAVING AYE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR. [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] WOULD THAT WORK WITH THIS WORK? DOES IT NEED TO BE LIKE CURSIVE OR WOULD THAT WORK JUST TO TYPE IT IN THERE? I'LL CHECK. OKAY. LEMME KNOW. I MEAN IF MINUTES NOT I CAN DO ON IPAD WHEN I, BUT LET ME, UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVEN'T TAKEN CARE OF THE MINUTES, RIGHT? WE NEED TAKE CARE OF THE MINUTES. UH, DO WE HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? COMMISSIONERS? NOT . OKAY. CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE? I MOVE THE TABLE SECOND FOR OUR NEXT HEARING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. UH, COMMISSIONERS. IT IS FIVE 10. UH, WE HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, TO GO HOME, SO WE'LL DO THAT. , THANK YOU FOR YOUR ALL HARD WORK AND, UH, THANK YOU. STAFF. YES. COMMISSIONER SCHOCK, PLEASE, SIR, PLEASE. OF COURSE. UH, WE AS A GROUP HAVE BEEN, UH, OFFERED AN INVITATION TO THE MANUFACTURING HOUSING ASSOCIATION'S CONVENTION. IT'S THIS MONDAY AND TUESDAY. I WAS ASKED TO EXTEND AN INVITATION OUT TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO GO. I'LL BE GOING IF YOU, UH, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO GO, JUST, UH, LET ME KNOW AND THEN I CAN GET OUR NAMES PUT ONTO THE, THE, UH, GUEST LIST. BUT, UH, RECENTLY, THE, THE HOMELESS SOLUTIONS AND HOUSING, UM, COMMITTEE LAST LAST MONTH IN SEPTEMBER, TALKED A LOT ABOUT INDUSTRIALIZED SOLUTIONS TO SOME OF THE CHALLENGES IN DALLAS AND, UH, INDUSTRIALIZED PRODUCTS LIKE THIS WERE BROUGHT UP. SO IT'S KIND OF TIMELY AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING IF WE ALL LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SECTOR, THIS, UM, THIS MARKET, BECAUSE IT'S, AS WE APPROACH IT, ZONING REFORM. I THINK THIS, UH, PLAYS A KEY PIECE OF THE PUZZLE, ESPECIALLY ON AFFORDABILITY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. AND THAT, THAT IS IN, UH, LAS COLINAS. THAT'LL BE AT THE RITZ-CARLTON IN, IN LAS COLINAS, BELIEVE. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, WE HAVE A TAKER ALREADY. UH, COMMISSIONERS. IT IS FIVE 12. HAVE A GREAT EVENING. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK. THANKS TO STAFF. MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.