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[Landmark Commission Meeting on December 2, 2024.]
IS 1 0 4 ON DECEMBER 2ND, 2024.AND I'M CALLING TO ORDER THE, UH, MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.
UH, MY NAME IS EVELYN MONTGOMERY AND I'M THE CHAIR AND I VICE.
AND WE HAVE A QUORUM OF COMMISSIONERS HERE WITH US TODAY.
IF ELAINE WOULD PLEASE DO THE ROLL CALL.
DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
COMMISSIONER COX? PRESENT? DISTRICT 11.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON PRESENT.
AND COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS PRESENT.
ELAINE? UM, I BELIEVE THE, OKAY.
WE HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS SIGNING UP.
WHAT I WAS JUST GONNA SAY IS WHAT WE'LL BEGIN WITH IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.
AND I THINK TODAY THAT'S READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A MOTION THAT WE WILL FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO IF THERE'S ANYBODY SIGN UP TO TALK WHO ACTUALLY WANTED TO TELL US MORE ABOUT THEIR PROJECT RATHER THAN JUST ANSWER QUESTIONS, WE USUALLY GIVE THEM OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WORKS ONLINE.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER ACY, DO YOU HAVE MOTIONS? YES.
BEGINNING WITH THE, UM, CONSENT AGENDA.
I MOVE, UH, WE HAVE ONE PLEASE.
I WAS, YEAH, JUST ONE THROUGH SEVEN AND THEN I MOVE TO APPROVE FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
CONSENT ITEM C ONE THROUGH C SEVEN.
CONSENT ITEM C NINE THROUGH C 10.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER, CHAIRMAN.
UM, ALRIGHT, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
AT ANY RATE, IT APPEARS THAT THE MAJORITY APPROVES OF THIS MOTION AND THEREFORE ALL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WHICHEVER THAT MAY BE.
NOW, COMMISSIONER SP MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEM EIGHT.
AND LET US NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER DIANE SHERMAN HAS RECUSED HERSELF ON THIS ONE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER PREZI.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
STAFF WILL INFORM THE APPLICANT AND COMMISSIONER SHERMAN CAN COME BACK IN.
UM, I'M GOING TO, UH, SUGGEST WE REARRANGE THE AGENDA TO ACCOMMODATE OUR SPEAKERS IN FIRST, IN PERSON FIRST, FOLLOWED BY THOSE, UH, JOINING US REMOTELY.
UM, AND THEN THE REMAINDER I MOVE TO REARRANGE THE AGENDA TO BEGIN WITH.
DISCUSSION ITEM ONE, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEM TWO, THEN DISCUSSION ITEM 4, 6 7 FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSIONS ITEM ITEM 3, 5, 8, AND 10.
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AFTER B SEVEN.THAT WILL BE DISCUSSION ITEM 1, 2, 4, 6, 7 9, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEMS 3, 5, 8, 10, AND 11.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERG FOR A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IN THAT ORDER.
STARTING WITH DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER ONE.
STAFF WOULD READ THAT IN AND I BELIEVE MR. OSI VOLUNTEERED TO READ THE TASK FORCE SPEAKER AND WE YES, WE DO.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 26 26 BURGER AVENUE.
THE DISTRICT IS PRE DESIGNATION MORATORIUMS DASH QUEEN CITY.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 45 DASH 1 0 7 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONDUCT NO CONSTRUCT, A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 11 18 20 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT EXPOSED RAFTA TAILS ARE TO BE EXPRESSED.
TWO, THAT WOOD TRIM BE APPLIED TO EXTERIOR SIDING AND NOT FLUSH WITH SIDING.
THREE THAT PAIRED AND GANGED WINDOWS BE SEPARATED BY MILLIONS WITH A MINIMUM WIDTH OF FOUR INCHES WIDE.
FOUR, THAT CEDAR SHINGLES ON GABLE WALLS BE ALL WOOD AND NOT FIBER CEMENT.
FOR EXAMPLE, JAMES HARDY'S SHINGLES FIVE.
THAT EXTERIOR SIDING BE ALL WOOD NOVELTY.
PATTERN NUMBER 1 1 7 HORIZONTAL FIBER CEMENT CEMENT BOARD IS TO BE USED FOR SKIRTING ONLY SIX.
THAT EXTERIOR PAINT COLORS BE SELECTED FROM A HISTORIC PAINT PALETTE SUCH AS THE SHERWIN WILLIAMS ARTS AND CRAFTS COLLECTION.
AND SEVEN THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE OF BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 YOU OKAY SUBDIVISION D FIVE B FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A PRE-DESIGN CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS AND THE FOLLOWING COMMENT NOT COMPLIANT WITH CRAFTSMAN'S STYLE.
LET'S MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE IS ON.
'CAUSE WE ALWAYS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
THE WAY WE DO THIS IS FIRST YOU HAVE TO TELL US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO PROMISE, SWEAR, OR AFFIRM TO TELL ME THE TRUTH.
MY ADDRESS IS 1512 COMMERCE STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS.
AND I SWEAR TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
SO HELP ME, GOD, THAT'S CLOSE ENOUGH.
SO SIR, YOU HAVE A, UH, AN INITIAL THREE MINUTES AND WE'LL BE TIMING YOU TO TELL US WHAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT YOUR HOUSE AND, UH, YOUR PROPOSED PROJECT.
WANT ME TO GO? OH, THIS IS PERFECTLY FINE RIGHT HERE.
AND SO IF, UH, YOU WANT TO GO TO THE CONTEXTUAL ONE, DRAWING ON THE BOTTOM OF THIS PAGE, ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT? YES, MA'AM.
UM, AS YOU SEE THIS RIGHT HERE ON BURGER AVENUE, THESE ARE EXTREMELY SMALL LOTS.
AND SO EARLIER, UH, WITHIN THIS PROCESS I HAD TO GET, UH, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS TO APPROVE, UH, MY, UH, SETBACK CHANGE ON HERE.
AND SO, UH, THROUGHOUT MY STUDY OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, I WAS VERY INTENTIONAL TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HOUSE THAT IS BUILT HERE DOES ACTUALLY FIT WITHIN,
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UH, THE FABRIC OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.AND I BELIEVE THIS IS, UH, A CRAFTSMAN STYLE, UH, MORE OF A CRAFTSMAN STYLE DESIGN.
UH, ON THIS SAME SHEET, IF, UH, MS. DUN, IF YOU, I MEAN DR.
YOU CAN GO UP TO THE TOP LEFT AND ZOOM OUT.
SO WE CAN SEE THE IMAGES OF DIFFERENT PRECEDENT STUDIES WITHIN QUEEN CITY.
UH, I WAS ABLE TO TAKE DIFFERENT DESIGNS FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND UTILIZE 'EM, UM, CALLING OUT THE LAP SIDING AS WELL AS THE SHINGLES THAT WE SEE EXPRESSED IN SOME OF THESE, UH, IMAGES AS WELL.
PAYING ATTENTION TO THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TRIM AND SUCH THAT HAVE BEEN UTILIZED WITHIN A NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, TO BE ABLE TO EXPRESS SOME TYPE OF, UH, ARCHITECTURAL STYLE THAT SPEAKS THE SAME LANGUAGE AS THE EXIST IN QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WE CAN GO TO THE, UH, A FIVE SHEET, I BELIEVE IT MAY BE THE LAST SHEET ON HERE.
UH, BUT THESE ARE JUST DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF HOUSES WITHIN QUEEN CITY.
UH, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE, UH, GABLE, UH, CAPTURES, UH, THE PATIOS WITHIN THESE SPACES AND SUCH LIKE THAT AND THAT, NO, NOT THE LAST SHEET.
AND WE CAN GO TO THE ELEVATIONS.
AND SO, ONE OF, ONE THING THAT THE, UH, TASK FORCE DID POINT OUT, UH, ORIGINALLY MY FRONT WINDOWS WERE A LITTLE BIT TOO SHORT, SO I MADE SURE TO MAKE THOSE LONGER.
UH, SO THEY, THESE BEDROOMS, EACH ONE OF THESE BEDROOMS GET THESE DOUBLE LIGHTS.
UH, THEY'RE FULL OF DAYLIGHT COMING INTO THOSE.
I DID MAKE 'EM LONGER ACCORDING TO THE, UH, TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
UH, WANTED TO POINT OUT AGAIN UTILIZING LAP SIDING.
UH, THE ONE THAT THEY WERE SPECIFYING, UH, WAS THE NOVELTY SIDING.
AND SO I DID MAKE SURE TO MAKE THAT CHANGE, UH, WITHIN MY MATERIAL SCHEDULE, AS WELL AS UTILIZING THE CEDAR OF SHINGLE, UH, FOR THIS HOUSE, THIS HOME, UH, OTHER THINGS THAT WERE CALLED OUT WERE, UH, ENSURING THAT THE, UH, LANTERNS, NOT LANTERNS THE LIGHT, THE LIGHTS UTILIZED ON THE FRONT PATIO.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT MR. WEST BE GIVEN, UM, THREE TO FOUR MINUTES.
ANY SECOND ON THIS MOTION? THANKS COMMISSIONER REEVES.
SECONDS, THE MOTION ALL IS IN FAVOR? PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY, ANY OPPOSED? NO, NOBODY SAID NO.
UH, I DID MAKE SURE THAT THE LIGHTS THAT WE WERE GONNA USE FOR THE EXTERIOR FOR THE FRONT AS WELL AS ON THE SIDE WHERE WE'RE, UH, IN VIEW NUMBER TWO THAT YOU SEE ARE MORE OF A CRAFTSMAN STYLE, UH, CRAFT MADE WALL LIGHT, UH, TO UTILIZE ON THERE, WE MADE SURE TO SPECIFY THAT THE DOOR, UH, FOR THE FRONT AS WELL AS THE SIDE, AS YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE ON THE MATERIAL SCHEDULE BETTER THAN, UH, ON THESE ELEVATIONS ARE DOORS THAT YOU WOULD SEE CONSISTENT WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AGAIN, I, BEFORE DESIGNING THIS HOME, I MADE SURE TO TOUR THIS WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD OF QUEEN CITY AND PULL OUT DIFFERENT STYLES AND SUCH IN ORDER TO CREATE THIS PIECE HERE.
I DID HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF SHOWING, UH, MY NEIGHBOR STANLEY OVER HERE TO MY, NOT, HE'S NOT HERE, BUT THE NEIGHBOR TO THE LEFT OF THIS PROPERTY, THIS DESIGN.
UH, AND THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SOMETHING ACTUALLY BEING BUILT ON THIS LOT.
AND SO, UM, HOPEFULLY Y'ALL, UH, Y'ALL CONSENT THAT THIS DOES, UH, I GUESS BLEND WITHIN THE CURRENT FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO WE CAN GET THIS THING BUILT AND GET SOME ONE HOUSED IN.
NOW THE COMMISSIONERS WILL ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
UM, I GUESS YOU DID NOT HEAR OUR BRIEFING EARLIER.
SOME PEOPLE LISTEN IN AHEAD OF TIME.
SO THERE ARE A FEW POINTS ABOUT THIS, UM, DESIGN THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU ABOUT.
WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST? YES, SIR.
AS MUCH AS Y'ALL TALKED EARLIER.
COMMISSIONER RENO? UH, YES, MR. WEST.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I NOTICED, UM, PARTICULARLY ON THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU PROVIDED FOR US WAS THAT, UM, THE, UH, THE FRONT ROOM, THE LIVING ROOM, UH, HAD A WINDOW FACING THE STREET.
AND I NOTICED ON, ON YOURS, YOU DIDN'T, YOU, I KNOW YOU HAVE THREE ON THE, UH, I GUESS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE HOME.
UH, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU'D BE AMENABLE TO TAKING ONE OF THOSE THREE AND PUTTING IT ON THE, ON THE FRONT UNDERNEATH THE PORCH.
I KNOW THAT'S, YOU ALSO MADE THAT YOUR TV WALL TOO
I, I REALIZE THAT, BUT UM, BUT I THINK FOR IT TO FIT BETTER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST PUTTING A, A WINDOW THERE IF YOU'RE AMENABLE TO IT.
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UM, IF NECESSARY.UM, WELL THERE ARE A NUMBER OF EXAMPLES, PARTICULARLY WITH A SMALLER PORCH LIKE THAT, THAT A SINGLE WINDOW WOULD BE FINE WITH A, WITH A DOOR, IF I MAY ASK.
UM, IS YOUR INTENT JUST TO GET MORE NATURAL LIGHT IN THERE OR WHAT'S THE INTENT? UM, IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE WAY THAT THE HOUSE ADDRESSES THE STREET.
UH, NORMALLY YOUR, YOUR MAIN LIVING AREA WOULD HAVE A WINDOW TO THAT STREET TOO.
UM, UM, SO IT'S, IT'S SORT OF A BALANCE.
IT'S, IT'S HAVING NATURAL LIGHT, BUT IT'S ALSO HAVING A, A PRESENCE ON THE, ON THE STREET.
I MUST INTERRUPT THIS DISCUSSION.
WE HAVE 16 COMMISSIONERS,
YOU DO KNOW THAT IF YOU MISS TOO MANY, SHE'S AN ALTERNATE.
THEN IF YOU WANNA GO HOME, YOU CAN.
SO WHAT YOU WANNA DO? YES, PLEASE.
ALRIGHT, WELL YOU ENJOY YOUR AFTERNOON WHILE WE'RE HERE, RIGHT? OKAY.
YOU SHOULD GO MOVE YOUR CAR OR SOMETHING.
OUR ATTORNEY SAYS THERE'S ONLY 15.
I'M NOT, IT'S NOT ARGUING WITH, OKAY.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.
OH, COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON HAS JOINED US ONLINE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAD THAT DOWN.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT DOES MAKE 16.
SO ONE ALTERNATE IS HAPPY TO GO HOME AND, AND CLEAN OUT HER GARAGE.
ALRIGHT, SIR, I'M SO SORRY WE HAD TO INTERRUPT.
NO PROBLEM AT ALL TO DO THIS HOUSEKEEPING AND SAY GOODBYE TO ONE OF US FOR THE DAY, BUT ALRIGHT.
WHO WAS NEXT GOING TO ASK A QUESTION? I HAD A QUESTION.
I KNOW YOU SAID THAT YOU MADE YOUR WINDOWS A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
THEY STILL FEEL A LITTLE BIT SMALL, ESPECIALLY THE ONES ON THE SIDE ELEVATION.
DID YOU COMPARE YOUR WINDOW SIZE TO THE OTHER WINDOWS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR ADJACENT HOUSES? COULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC? WHICH SIDE? ELEVATION NUMBER FOUR OR NUMBER THREE? UH, SOUTHEAST AND SOUTHWEST.
SO ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE, UH, THOSE TWO SMALLER WINDOWS ARE GONNA BE IN THE KITCHEN AS WELL AS IN ONE OF THE BATHROOMS. AND SO THOSE, UM, SITTING, UH, THOSE JUST GENUINELY HAVE TO BE, UH, SHORTER.
UH, AS ONE IS OVER THE SINKINGS AND ONE IS IN, I BELIEVE THE, UH, EITHER BATHTUB OR BATH BATH SPACE, UH, ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, THE ONE ON VIEW NUMBER FOUR, THE NORTHEAST, THE CENTRAL ONE, AGAIN, IS GONNA BE IN THE BATHROOM SPACE.
AND SO THAT'S GONNA BE RIGHT OVER, UH, THE TOILET.
AND ON VIEW NUMBER FOUR, THAT IS GONNA BE IN WITHIN THE BEDROOM.
I ADDED THOSE, UH, AT THE REQUEST OF THE TASK FORCE.
UH, AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WHOEVER OCCUPIES THAT ROOM IS ABLE TO UTILIZE, UH, THE ARRANGE THEIR FURNITURE AND SUCH WITHIN THAT SPACE.
UH, IF YOU LOOK AT VIEW NUMBER ZERO ONE, WHICH IS, UH, THE NORTHWEST ELEVATION, THAT LEFT WINDOW IS GONNA BE IN THAT SAME BEDROOM.
AND SO THERE'S PLENTY OF NATURAL LIGHT, UH, BEING LET IN THROUGH THAT WINDOW.
AND THEN THOSE TWO SUPPLEMENTARY WINDOWS ON VIEW, UH, NORTHEAST.
AND THE, THE WINDOW OR THE VENT AND THE GABLE, THE HEXAGONAL OR CIRCULAR, UM, ONE IS THAT, IS THAT HEXAGONAL OR IS THAT CIRCULAR? CIRCULAR.
IS THERE A PRECEDENT THAT YOU SELECTED FOR THAT OR IS THERE, UM, HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT? NO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, THAT WAS MORE, WELL, AS I LOOK AT MY PRECEDENCE, IF WE LOOK AT ON 35 0 3 EDGEWOOD STREET, THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE A HIS, THAT MIGHT BE CIRCULAR OR HIAL, UTILIZE IT ON THAT ONE.
I CAN'T CLEARLY MAKE THAT ONE OUT.
WHAT'S THE ADDRESS? UH, 35 0 3 EDGEWOOD STREET.
I THINK THAT ONE'S H HEXAGONAL.
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YEAH.THAT ONE'S, AS YOU'RE SAYING HEXAGONAL, WOULD YOU RATHER THAT JUST BE SWITCHED OVER TO HEXAGONAL OR IS CIRCULAR ACCEPTABLE? THE ADJACENT HOUSE IS BEING, UH, OR IF THAT'S NEARBY, THEN THAT'S HEXAGONAL.
THAT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE TO, TO STAY WITH THAT.
UM, ONE MIGHT POINT OUT THAT MORE OF THE EXAMPLES HAVE MORE OF A, UM, SQUARED OFF, YOU KNOW, ANGULAR VENT UP THERE, SO THERE'S MORE ARGUMENT TO THAT.
SO WHAT WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN DOING? ARE YOU WANTING TO GO WITH I WOULD RATHER DO VAGAL THAN A RECTANGULAR, BUT IF THE COMMISSION WOULD RATHER, UH, THE RECTANGULAR THAN I GUESS THAT'S ROUTE I HAVE TO GO.
WELL, UM, THIS IS ONE WE DISCUSSED.
HOW, UH, DO YOU HAVE A DIMENSION ON WHAT THE WINDOW WOULD BE? YES, MA'AM.
WE'LL STAY WITH THE WINDOWS, FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
WE'RE WAITING FOR THE DI OKAY, GO AHEAD.
AND THEN MR. CUMMINGS WILL ALSO RESPOND TO THE DIMENSION THAT WE HEAR ABOUT THE, UM, THE CIRCLE WINDOW HEXAGONAL.
IT'S, HE'S GOT ON THE WINDOW SCHEDULES TOO FOOT, BUT TWO, TWO FOOT.
HE'S GOT A CIRCULAR TWO FOOT, UH, CIRCLE ON THE SCHEDULE.
BUT, UH, MR. C*****G HAS ALSO HAD A
AND JUST TALK ABOUT, YOU SAID THAT, UM, TASK FORCE AND OR STAFF, UH, HAD MENTIONED TO YOU, UH, ABOUT THE, THE WINDOWS BEING, UH, TOO SHORT, UH, IN VERTICAL DIMENSION, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
UM, US BY IT HAD IT BEEN REVISED.
SO THE ELEVATIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVE BEEN REVISED.
THE WINDOW SILL HEIGHTS, UM, FROM FLOOR, FROM FINISHED FLOOR SEEMED TO BE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN FINISHED FLOOR AND WINDOW SILL SEEMED TO BE GREATER THAN WHAT'S TYPICALLY SEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND BY SHOWING ON THE EXAMPLE YOU HAVE ON YOUR WINDOW SCHEDULE SHEET, UM, IT'S, UH, AROUND FOUR FEET.
UH, YOU GOT, LET'S SEE, SEVEN FOOT TWO TO THE TOP OF A WINDOW, HEAD MINUS THREE FOOT ON SOME OF THESE EXAMPLES, THAT DIMENSION WILL BE OUTTA ORDINARY.
UM, SO THEY SEEM TO HAVE TO, THE, THAT DISTANCE IS A LITTLE MUCH.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TYPICAL WINDOW SEAL TO TOP OF FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHTS IS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S LOOKING LIKE IT'S GREATER THAN FOUR FOOT, UM, OR SMALLER.
UH, IT'S PROBABLY MORE CLOSER TO THREE FOOT.
UM, BUT THEN AT THE SAME TIME, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE YOUR WINDOW SIZES ARE GONNA BE SI SIMILAR TO WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS TOO, WHETHER THEY'RE 3 3 0 5 OH WINDOWS, TYPICALLY MAYBE, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK THAT IS OUTTA WHACK CURRENTLY THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT A LITTLE FURTHER.
SO CURRENTLY THOSE WINDOWS SILLS ARE AT ABOUT TWO FOOT SIX FROM FINISH FLOOR FLOOR FROM FINISH FLOOR.
YOUR DRAWINGS ARE SHOWING SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM THAT ON ON YOUR EXAMPLES RIGHT ABOVE YOUR WINDOW SCHEDULE, IT'S SHOWING FOUR FOOT TWO.
UM, AND SO YOU'RE SAYING WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE ELEVATIONS IS WHAT WAS THE DIMENSION AGAIN ON THE ELEVATIONS THAT WE'RE SEEING? SO THE EXAMPLES ABOVE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ABOVE THE BAR LIGHT SCHEDULE, CORRECT? YES.
THOSE ARE JUST STRICTLY EXAMPLES.
UM, THOSE DIMENSIONS THAT ARE BEING CALLED OUT AREN'T NECESSARILY WHAT IS PRESCRIBED.
IT'S JUST THAT THE, THE WHAT WAS ABOVE ON YOUR BL ONE, TWO AND THREE AND FOUR WINDOWS, IT JUST HAD FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT AND IT, AND THEN IT, IT JUST DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR ME TO GO BY ON, ON THE DIMENSIONS ON THOSE.
UM, BUT WHAT WAS THE DIMENSION THAT YOU'RE SAYING AGAIN, ON TOP OF SEAL TO FINISH FLOOR TOP? I'M SAYING THAT IT WILL BE FLUCTUATING BETWEEN TWO FOOT SIX AND THREE FOOT.
AND SO IF WE CALL OUT WHICH WARRANT KEEPING YEAH.
AND SO WHERE, UH, IF WE PAY GO TO THE BALL LIGHT SCHEDULE, YOU'LL SEE THE HEIGHTS, UH, SPECIFIED FOR THOSE WINDOWS AND SUCH.
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AND SO THE TWO, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT HERE IN THE FRONT VIEW, UH, THOSE ARE GONNA BE FIVE FOOT IN HEIGHT.AND SO TAKEN AWAY FROM THAT SEVEN FOOT, THEY'RE REALLY AT TWO FOOT FROM THAT, UH, FRONT VIEW DIMENSIONS.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING SEEMS TO BE IN KEEPING THE ELEVATION DOESN'T SEEM TO QUITE REPRESENT THAT.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A, A LOT BIGGER SPACE BETWEEN UNDERNEATH THE WINDOW TO THE FOR SURE.
THE S AS A RESULT OF THAT MIGHT THE GRADING LIVED? YEAH, EXACTLY.
IT MIGHT BE THE GRADING POSSIBLY.
SO, YEAH, WOULD BE, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF DRILL INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT AND SEE WHERE WE REALLY WERE ON THAT.
THANK, AND ALSO THANK YOU FOR INVESTING YOUR TIME AND YOUR ENERGY AND YOUR EXPERTISE IN
WE TOO WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING GOOD HAPPEN THERE, QUEEN CITY SEE IT PRESERVE.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE LITTLE TAG WINDOW AND IT'S INSPIRATION IS 35 0 3 EDGEWOOD STREET.
WHEN I ZOOM IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THERE WAS POSSIBLY A WE IN THAT FRONT GAME, ONE THAT PERHAPS THAT'S NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE.
SO PERSONALLY I WOULD, WHILE THAT LITTLE, YOU KNOW, HEXAGON IS A TA THAT LINICAL, MY INTERPRETATION OF IT IS THAT IT'S PROBABLY OUT OF THE ORDINARY AND TO ME IT DOESN'T STRIKE ME AS TYPICAL OF CRAFTSMEN.
SO YEAH, IT IS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE AN OUTCOME WITH MORE OF A CRAFTSMAN QUALITY.
I WOULD THINK IT NEEDS TO BE, UM, DIFFERENT.
IT NEEDS TO BE WITH SUN IN WHETHER IT'S A, A VENTED GABLE OR JUST A STATIONARY WINDOW THAT DOESN'T OPEN.
UM, BUT THE SHAPE I THINK WOULD NEED TO BE RECTANGLE.
COMMISSIONER PERI, UH, COULD YOU PLEASE TELL US ABOUT THE WINDOW MATERIAL? AS OF RIGHT NOW, WHAT I'M SPECIFYING IS FIBERGLASS, UH, UH, YEAH, AS OF RIGHT NOW WHAT I'M SPECIFYING IS FIBERGLASS.
ANOTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF, SINCE THIS IS A, UM, THIS IS GOING THROUGH PRE DESIGNATION.
I KNOW SOME DISTRICTS, UM, THAT REQUIRE WOOD WINDOWS.
WOULD THIS APPLY TO THIS DISTRICT EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT DESIGNATED YET? WELL, THE NEAREST DISTRICT IS WHEAT IN PLACE THAT I'M COMPARING IT TO.
AND RIGHT NOW IT'S WOOD OR IT'S ALUMINUM.
IT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN ALLOWING FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M SEEING FIBERGLASS.
IT DOES, IT'S THINNER THAN THE VINYL, SO IT'S NOT THAT CLUNKY VINYL LOOK.
IT ALSO HAS A HIGHER LEVEL OF DURABILITY.
AND SO WOULD THE, UH, DIMENSIONS AND PROFILE BE MORE SIMILAR TO A WOOD WINDOW THAN, TO ME WHAT I'VE SEEN IS MORE SIMILAR TO AN ALUMINUM WINDOW THAN WOOD.
HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE IT? I WOULD SAY ARCHITECT
I WOULD SAY THAT SHE'S CORRECT THAT IT WOULD BE MORE SIMILAR TO ALUMINUM PROFILE THAN A WOOD, A WOOD PROFILE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS? YOU HAVE MORE? YEAH, I WANTED TO TOUCH BASE WITH, UM, THE GABLE, THE SIZE OF IT AND, AND HOW THAT'S DESIGNED AT THE FRONT.
UM, THE, I'M STILL TRYING TO GET MY HANDS AROUND, UM, THE, HOW IT'S NOT, THE GABLE IS NOT FRAMING A FEATURE OF THE HOUSE AND IT'S OVEREXTENDING.
UM, AND KIND OF CAPTURING THAT, THAT WINDOW, YOU KNOW, IT TYPICALLY WE WOULD SEE, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE A PORTION OF THE HOUSE THAT'S EITHER BUMPED OR IT'S FRAME IN THE PORCH.
UM, I DO KNOW THERE'S SOME IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE KIND OF DIFFERENT THAT MAYBE IT HAS A WHOLE GABLE SIDE AND THEN THERE'S A CHUNK REMOVED FOR THE PORCH AND IT'S MORE LIKE AN INSET PORCH.
BUT SINCE THIS ONE IS NOT LIKE THE WHOLE SIDE, IT'S A PART OF THE GABLE.
IT, I'M KIND OF TRYING TO GET MY WITS ABOUT ME ON THAT.
AND THEN I, I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS A DISCUSSION AT TASK FORCE THAT THEY HAD BROUGHT UP AND THEY, THEY HAD SOME CONCERN WITH THAT AS WELL.
AND THEN IT KIND OF COMES TO THE POINT, WHICH IS INTERESTING AND IT'S, IT'S A NICE
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LOOK AND IT'S INTERESTING.BUT IF WE'RE, I, I HAVE A LITTLE RESERVATION ON DOING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT A CHARACTERISTIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT IS GONNA BE STARTING TO USE AS A PRECEDENT TYPE OF THING, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
AND IT'S ALSO A BAD TIME TO MAKE SOMETHING WRONG, TO KEEP ON TRYING TO REPEAT THINGS.
TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE GABLE FRONT AND HOW THAT'S, THAT'S DOING THAT DESIGN, LIKE I SAID, AND ALSO ABOUT THE GABLE THAT'S ON THE SIDE ON, WHAT WAS YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT DESIGN ON IF THERE'S ANY OTHER ELEMENTS THAT YOU'RE, YOU CAN SPEAK OF THAT CAPTURED THAT DESIGN? YES, SIR.
SO COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, BEFORE I SET OUT THE DESIGN THIS HOME, I DIDN'T WANT IT TO JUST BE A, A A BLANK BOX, YOU KNOW, I WANTED SOMETHING THAT, UH, GAVE SOME TYPE OF ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT EXEMP NOT EXEMPLIFIED, BUT IDENTIFIED WITH THE REST OF THE HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO ON THAT RESEARCH, I KNEW I DIDN'T WANT TO JUST PUT A HAT ON TOP OF THE HOUSE.
AND SO LOOKING AT DIFFERENT HOUSES ON BURGER STREET, I NOTICED THAT THEY UTILIZED THESE GABLES TO TRY TO KNOCK THAT HAT OFF AND GIVE IT SOME KIND OF INTRIGUE TO IT.
AND SOME OF THEM HAD THE GABLE IN THE FRONT, WITH THE GABLE ON THE SIDE, EXACTLY HOW I'M MIMICKING HERE.
AND THEN IN OUR, UH, MY PACKAGE, YOU CAN SEE ON THE PRECEDENT STUDY FOR THE GABLES, I HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT HOMES UP THERE THAT UTILIZE GABLES IN THE FRONT.
THIS TYPE OF WAVES WHERE IT'S A LITTLE PUNCH OUT, UH, WITH THE EXACTLY RIGHT HERE WHERE IT'S A LITTLE PUNCH OUT WHERE YOU HAVE THE, UH, PATIO AND THE GABLE ACTUALLY EXTENDS AND IN SOME CASES CAPTURES, UH, DIFFERENT WINDOWS AND SUCH THAT ARE ON THAT FRONT ELEVATION.
AND, UM, HERE ON 26 43 BURGER AVE, YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE SIDE PROFILE OF THAT HOME, THAT THERE IS A GABLE THAT'S GOING TO BE, UM, EXPRESSED.
AND THEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT HOME, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT THERE'S A GABLE ON THE SIDE OF THAT HOME AS WELL.
AND SO, YEAH, THAT, THAT WAS THE INSPIRATION BEHIND, UH, THE GABLE WOUND.
JUST AS FOLLOWING UP ON MY COMMENTS ON THAT, THE, THE GABLE THAT'S ON THE SIDE, THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THOSE, AND THAT'S VERY, VERY COMMON.
I JUST DIDN'T SEE ONE THAT RESOLVED TO A MEETING POINT RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER.
SO YOU HAVE A GABLE IN AND IT'S, THERE'S ONE ANOTHER GABLE TURNING THE CORNER RIGHT.
RESOLVING RIGHT ON THAT POINT.
AND IT'S NOT BACKED OFF A LITTLE BIT AND IT DOESN'T EXPRESS ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, ROOF LINE, UH, FOR AN INSTANCE.
SO I JUST, I FIND THAT INTERESTING, BUT I FIND THAT A LITTLE BIT ODD IF IT'S TRYING TO BLEND.
I KNOW WE'RE NOT, WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU HAVE THAT, AND I, I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE THAT, UH, ROLE TO TRY TO, UH, UM, HAVE SOMETHING MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN JUST PUTTING HATS ON THINGS.
BUT ALSO WE ALSO HAVE A, UH, A WAY OF LOOKING AT THINGS AS PRESERVATION IS TO MAKE SURE IT IS SYMPATHETIC AS WELL AS, UH, UH, UH, BLENDING TO A CERTAIN DEGREE.
SO IT'S KIND OF WALKING THAT FINE LINE OF FINDING INTERESTING ELEMENTS.
UM, BUT THESE, MOST OF THESE EXAMPLES HAVE AN EXPRESS GABLE WITH, WITH ONE POINT TO ANOTHER POINT.
UM, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE LIKE THIS GABLE THAT YOU'VE GOT THAT, THAT ENDS IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO WINDOWS.
NOW, THERE, THERE'S SOME OTHER ONES THAT FLOAT, BUT THE WHOLE, THAT THE WHOLE SIDE IS A GABLE BASICALLY THAT FLOATS.
AND THIS ONE JUST, THIS ONE JUST GOES BEYOND THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE I AM ON THAT, BUT I WAS HAVING A LITTLE DIFFICULTY ON TRYING TO, TO RESOLVE, UH, MAYBE OTHERS HAVE DIFFICULTY TIME WITH THAT AS WELL, BUT I JUST KIND OF, I JUST HAD SOME PROBLEMS WITH THAT.
IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T SPEAK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD EXACTLY.
I, I WAS THINKING, UM, OH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT,
DO YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE THAT MIGHT WORK BETTER OR IS THERE NO ALTERNATIVE THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE POSSIBLE? I DON'T HAVE A ALTERNATIVE OFF FRONT OF MIND.
UM, I GUESS THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO JUST KILL THAT SIDE GABLE COMPLETELY.
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WHAT WOULD WOULD THERE BE THEN? IT WOULD JUST BE A CONTINUATION OF, UH, THAT SLOPE THAT IS HAPPENING, UH, FROM THAT FRONT G.IS THAT, UM, SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO HAVE? I WOULD RATHER NOT DO IT.
UH, IF YOU PAY ATTENTION TO THE NORTHWEST ELEVATION, WHICH SHOWS THAT FRONT, AND THEN YOU GET RID OF THAT KIND OF, THAT GABLE THAT GOES FROM SIDE TO SIDE ON THE HOUSE, UH, KIND OF STARTS LOOKING LIKE A, I DON'T KNOW, KINDA LIKE A LEFT TURN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I, I DON'T KNOW REALLY HOW TO EXPLAIN IT.
UH, WELL, ALTERNATIVELY, IS THERE ANY WAY TO ALTER THE FRONT GABLE TO BE, I DON'T KNOW, A HIP OR SOMETHING, OR, I'M NOT THE ARCHITECT.
THEY ARE
AND SO I WOULD REALLY BE, I WOULD MUCH RATHER HEAD IN THIS DIRECTION, UH, JUST DIFFERENT ROOF STUDIES AND SUCH THAT I DID ON THIS HOME.
UH, IF THE, UH, BOARD IS NOT AMENDABLE TO THIS CURRENT ROOF DESIGN AND WANTS SOMETHING ELSE, I'LL BE LOOKING FOR MORE GUIDANCE ON WHAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? UH, YES, I, UH, AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
THAT TO ME THE, THE, THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE, PARTICULARLY THIS BUNGALOW STYLE IS THE PROMINENT FRONT PORCH.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, IT APPEARS THAT THIS HOUSE HAD PART OF ITS PORCH ENCLOSED OVER TIME.
THAT THAT DOES HAPPEN OCCASIONALLY WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO GET A LITTLE EXTRA SPACE.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO MAKE THAT FRONT GABLE A LITTLE BIT SHORTER? UM, TO GIVE YOU, I WE HAVE TO TAKE AWAY PART OF THAT, THAT SPACE.
IF WE MADE THE, THE GABLE A LITTLE BIT SHORTER, THAT WOULD GIVE YOU MORE ROOM IN THE FRONT.
BUT IT, IT REALLY BOTHERS ME THAT THIS, THIS ISN'T TYPICAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S NOT TYPICAL OF THE CRAFTSMAN ARCHITECTURE.
AND I DO AGREE IF THIS IS OUR FIRST NEW CONSTRUCTION OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE, THE GATES HERE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE CORRECTLY.
SO I WOULD HAVE A SERIOUS CONCERN ABOUT THE DESIGN AS IT'S, THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER SHERMAN WANTED TO ADD THIS LITTLE IDEA, UM, INSTEAD OF A STANDARD RECTANGLE, JUST, YOU MIGHT WANT SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE WHIMSICAL, BUT IT IS APPARENTLY TYPICAL IN THE DISTRICT FOR THAT LITTLE OPENING IN THE DAYVILLE.
UM, 26 34 BURGER HAS WHAT APPEARS TO BE ALMOST A THREE EQUAL SIDED TRAPEZOID WITH VENTS IN IT.
IT'S GREAT, BUT, AND IT ADDS A TOUCH OF LINDSEY AND IT'S NOT AS TALL AS A RECTANGLE WOULD NEED TO BE, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY CITED THERE.
IT'S SMALL, BUT IT'S CITED THERE.
UM, ON THE SAME BLOCK, TWO HOUSES DOWN, IS IT 26, 34 UHHUH
LIKE WHERE, WHEN YOU START BACK AT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND WHAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, UM, APPROVED, THEN YOU GO TO, UM, WHAT IS ON THE BLOCK RIGHT NOW, TWO HOUSES TO THE LEFT OF 26, 34 MM-HMM.
IT'S A GREAT LOOKING LITTLE TRAP, ALMOST TRAPEZOIDAL SHAPE THAT SETS IT APART FROM EVERYTHING ELSE AND GIVES IT A LITTLE MORE BEAUTY.
UM, I I THINK THAT MIGHT BE, IF THIS COMMISSION THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A, A GOOD THING TO ECHO, I, I SEE IT IN YOUR FRONT GABLE IN MY MIND'S EYE.
UM, AND I SEE IT AS BEING SPECIAL.
UM, AND PROBABLY NOT TOO HARD TO CREATE.
UM, ALTHOUGH I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, NOR AM I A PART, IT'S, YEAH, I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
UM, CAN I DO A FOLLOW UP? YEAH.
I WAS JUST GONNA POINT OUT, WE'VE NOW SENT THEM MESSAGES.
WE WANT IT TO BE SORT OF LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT UNIQUE AND WHIMSICAL.
WELL, NO, 26 34 IS A LITTLE WHIM.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TELLING YOU WHAT I'M SAYING.
IT'S THAT WALKING THAT FINE LINE BETWEEN BOTH.
UM, WOULD IT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT EITHER, IN MY MIND, AND MAYBE I'M NOT SEEING THIS, WE CAN ALL HAVE OUR OPINIONS OF COURSE, BUT IN MY MIND IT WOULD EITHER BE A SMALLER GABLE WITH THE, THE PORCH, YOU KNOW, EXPRESSING THAT.
AND THEN WOULD IT CHANGE THE HOUSE?
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'CAUSE IT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD DOMINO BY JUST THINKING OUT LOUD, BUT WOULD IT, COULD YOU HAVE ANOTHER LARGE GABLE? SO YOU'D HAVE A DOUBLE GABLE? LIKE SOME HOUSES ARE EXPRESSED THIS WAY, SO YOU WOULD HAVE FROM ONE END OF THE HOUSE TO THE OTHER END, YOU'D HAVE ONE WHOLE GABLE AND THEN YOU'D HAVE A SMALLER GABLE WHERE THE PORCH IS.AND THAT'S FAIRLY COMMON AND HAS MORE, HAS AN INTERESTING, BUT THAT MIGHT DOMINO SOMETHING FOR THE REST OF THE HOUSE.
YEAH, YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT IT AFFECTS.
IT MAY BE POSSIBLE, IT MAY NOT.
SO IT'S EITHER SOMETHING THAT HELPS GIVE IT SOME SORT OF VISUAL BORDER THERE.
SO THAT'S, I'M JUST TRYING TO HELP JUST A LITTLE BIT AND I I WILL DO IT.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT AT THIS POINT WE, WE ARE DOING THE FAMOUS DESIGNING FROM THE HORSES.
NO, WE'RE ALL ENJOYING IT, INCLUDING YOU, BUT WE'VE HAD SEVERAL IDEAS AND NONE OF THEM HAVE QUITE GERALD OR BEEN, UM, I DIDN'T SEE THE MAN'S EYES LIGHT UP AND SAY, OH YES, THAT'D BE A GOOD IDEA.
SO, I, I MUST ASK YOU, SIR, IF, IF WE THINK THAT TOO MANY CHANGES FROM WHAT YOU PROPOSED TODAY ARE NECESSARY THAT YOU NEEDED TO DO YOUR REDESIGN AND COME BACK, HOW SAD ARE YOU? VERY SAD.
CAN YOU LIVE WITH SADNESS? NOT REALLY.
UH, THIS HAS BEEN A LENGTHY PROCESS, HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS TO GET THE SETBACK.
UH, THAT'S, UH, UH, HISTORIC OVERLAY, UH, COMING OVER IN THE PROCESS, WHICH I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH.
THEY HAVE SO MUCH, I, I CAN'T SAY WHAT I WANT TO SAY, BUT BAD CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN GOING ON OVER THERE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO YEAH, WE, WE KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN.
WE CAN ALL PICTURE IT ALREADY.
I'M IN FULL, FULL SUPPORT OF IT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT WASN'T ACCOUNTED FOR AND, UH, SOMETHING THAT PROPERTY IS NOW HAVING TO GO THROUGH, UH, IN ORDER TO BECOME CONSTRUCTED.
AND SO, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO STILL BE ABLE TO START CONSTRUCTION IN JANUARY.
UH, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S, Y'ALL SAY, SO.
UM, WELL, I'M, I'M, IF THERE ARE ANY MORE COMMENT OR QUESTIONS, WE'LL HAVE THOSE, BUT THEN I'M GONNA BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION.
I DO JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO CONSIDER HOW WE GET THE BEST OUTCOME.
AND I POINT OUT THAT WE MEET THE FIRST MONDAY OF EVERY MONTH, INCLUDING THE FIRST MONDAY OF JANUARY, WHICH I BELIEVE IS JUST RIGHT AFTER THE HOLIDAY.
PEOPLE WHO DRINK WILL BARELY BE SOBERED UP BY THE TIME WE MEET.
I DON'T DRINK, BUT THE REST OF YOU
COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON HAS A QUESTION.
I CANNOT SEE COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON ONLINE, THEREFORE I DO NOT.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TIMELINE, TALK ABOUT THAT TIMELINE AGAIN AS FAR AS YOUR, YOUR, YOUR EXPECTATION TODAY AND OR HOW FAR BACK ARE YOU AS FAR AS THE TIMELINE ON, ON THIS? YES, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
SO THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED, I BELIEVE, TOWARDS THE END OF 20 20, 23.
THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED, AND THEN I NOTICED THAT THE ZONING SETBACK ON THIS WAS 20 FEET.
THE PROPERTY WAS ONLY 50 FEET DEEP.
AND SO
UH, WE GOT THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND SUCH DONE, WE GO TO SUBMIT, AND THEN WE FIND OUT THAT THERE'S AN, UH, HISTORIC OVERLAY THAT'S BEEN PUT OVER THE, OVER THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO WITH THAT, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK ABOUT SIX MONTHS, UH, EIGHT MONTHS OR SO.
AND, UH, YEAH, LIKE I SAID, I AGREE WITH THE OVERLAY AND ALL THE EFFORTS AND SUCH THAT ARE GOING ON TO PRESERVE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD QUEEN CITY AS WELL AS OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN SOUTH DALLAS INSTEAD OF SEEING, UM, HORRIBLE DESIGN HAPPEN WITHIN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND, UH, YEAH, WE WOULD LIKE FOR CONSTRUCTION TO BE ABLE TO START OFF IN JANUARY, UH, AND WITH APPROVAL OF THE STAFF, UH, FORMER A COMMISSION TODAY.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
I GUESS MY, MY, YOU KNOW, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS JUST AS YOU KNOW, TO GIVE SCOPE AND THIS, UM, BODY DOES NOT REALLY
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CONSIDER THE FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS, UM, FOR DEVELOPERS.UH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE FOR JANUARY FROM DECEMBER TO JANUARY, UNLIKE OTHER AREAS, UM, THAT, THAT SOME DEVELOPERS COME TO WITH, WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN MIND.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS JUST A SMALLER HOME.
IT'S A MORE MODEST HOME, DIFFERENT PRICE POINT.
SO I THINK I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND AS FAR AS THE FINANCIAL IMPACT, UM, EVEN THOUGH THIS BODY DOES NOT CONSIDER THAT, UH, BUT I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT, WHAT CHALLENGES, UM, ARE, ARE INCURRED BY, BY DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WHO, WHO JUST HAD THIS, UH, HISTORIC OVERLAY STARTED, UH, TO POSSIBLY CREATE OR, OR GIVE AVENUES FOR, FOR CONSIDERATE UH, DEVELOPMENT.
IS ANYBODY READY TO MAKE A MOTION? NOW? COMMISSIONER SHERMAN IS READY TO MAKE A MOTION.
I WE ALL ADMIRE YOU AND LOVE YOU.
I WILL TRY, UM, IN THE MATTER OF CA 2 4 5 DASH 1 0 7 RD, THAT BEING 26 26 BURGER AVENUE IN THE PRE-DESIGNATED MORATORIUM SECTION OF QUEEN CITY.
I MOVE THAT THIS COMMISSION, UM, UH, APPROVED WITH, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THE, UM, CONDITIONS OUTLINED WITH ONE ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT THE, UM, OPENING IN THE FRONT GABLE BE, UM, UH, FEATURED WITH, UM, A TRAPEZOIDAL LIKE OPENING AS OPPOSED TO THE ONE THAT'S SHOWN AT 26 30 FOURTH BURGER AS OPPOSED TO THE ONE THAT'S DRAWN AND SUBMITTED.
SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER HOSA.
ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER PROI? OH, GO AHEAD.
I WAS, UM, WONDERING IF, UH, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN WOULD CONSIDER ADDING, ADDING ONE MORE CONDITION OF A WINDOW UNDER THE PORCH AS WELL? YES, I WOULD.
DO YOU WANT TO STATE IT AS A SINGLE WINDOW? YES.
A, A SINGLE I THINK A THE SINGLE NEXT TO THE DOOR, UH, WOULD FEEL TWO WOULD FEEL CROWDED.
BUT A SINGLE WOULD FEEL BALANCED.
IS THE EVIDENCE, UM, I NEED A SECOND.
UH, THE SECOND HAS TO SAY THEY ALSO ACCEPT THIS FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
COMMISSIONER RENO WAS REQUESTING THAT SHE ADD A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
THAT WAS HIS SUGGESTION AND SHE HAS ACCEPTED IT, THEREFORE IT IS HER AMENDMENT AND WE ALWAYS CHECK WITH THE, UM, PERSON FOOD.
SECOND, JUST EXPLAINING THE LAW TO OUR LEGAL COUNSEL.
AND THAT WOULD BE UNDERSTAND
COMMISSIONER OSI, YOU WERE GONNA SAY SOMETHING NOW? YOU'RE NOT GONNA SAY ANYTHING? OKAY, WELL NO, I WANTED TO AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS COMMISSIONERS.
COMMISSIONER JASON? UM, HARPER, COMMISSIONER HARPER
YEAH, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON THE MOTION.
THE ELEVATIONS SHOW THAT GABLE WINDOW ON THREE ELEVATIONS, BUT THE RENDERINGS ONLY SHOW ON THE FRONT, SO WE SHOULD PROBABLY CLARIFY WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY INTENDING ALL, ALL GABLE VENTS TO BE OF THAT DESIGN.
THE TRAPEZOIDAL IN NATURE DESIGN SIMILAR TO THAT AT 26, 34 ON HAS SHOWN.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? AND I CANNOT SEE IF YOU ARE AT HOME, DR.
OH, COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA, YOU DO HAVE TO AGREE TO THIS LATEST EDITION.
I I KNOW WE'RE WEARING YOU OUT.
UH, COMMISSIONER OFFIT, DID I SAY YOU WANTED TO SPEAK? YES, I, I'M, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS MOTION, BUT I SPECIFICALLY WANTED TO, EXCUSE ME, THANK THE APPLICANT FOR THE CREDIBLE RESEARCH AND HARD WORK AND NEIGHBORHOOD CANVASSING THAT YOU DID AND IN WORKING WITH, UH, BOTH THE TASK FORCE AND STAFF.
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ALRIGHT THEN WE ARE READY TO CALL FOR THE VOTE.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
IN THAT CASE IT IS CARRIED BY A MAJORITY AND STAFF WILL HELP YOU WITH THE FURTHER PAPERWORK, WHICH IS MOSTLY NOT YOUR PAPERWORK, IT'S THEIR PAPERWORK AND GOOD LUCK.
AND REMEMBER, ALL EYES IN QUEEN CITY ARE ON YOU AS YOU BUILD THIS THING.
THAT'S TOO MUCH FRAME TO LEARN HOW TO BUILD IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
YOU KNOW, NO PRESSURE, JUST, YOU KNOW.
HE DOES NOT WANT TO VISIT US AGAIN.
ALRIGHT, NOW IT IS TIME FOR DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER TWO.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 37 19 RUSKIN STREET.
UH, THE DISTRICT IS THE PRE WITHIN THE PRE DESIGNATION MORATORIUMS AND IT'S QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 45 DASH ZERO NINE RD.
THE REQUEST OR AS FOLLOWS, ONE FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A REAR HORIZONTAL ADDITION TO MAIN BUILDING.
THE SECOND REQUEST IS FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A COVERED PATIO ON THE LEFT SIDE OF MAIN BUILDING.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS AS FOLLOWS, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT REAR HORIZONTAL ADDITION TO MAIN BUILDING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 11 7 20 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE, THAT EXTERIOR SIDING BE ALL WOOD NOVELTY PATTERN 1 0 5 2, THAT A WINDOW WITH MINIMUM DIMENSIONS OF TWO FEET WIDE BY THREE FEET TALL OR WIDE, NO TALL OR HIGH BE ADDED TO THE RIGHT ELEVATION OF ADDITION.
AND THREE, THAT THE ROOFING SHINGLES MATCH THE EXISTING IN COLOR MATERIAL AND DIMENSIONALITY.
THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION D FIVE B FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A PRE-DESIGN CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A COVERED PATIO ON THE LEFT SIDE OF MAIN BUILDING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 11 7 20 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT PROPOSED COVERED PATIO BE RELOCATED TO THE REAR 50% OF THE LEFT ELEVATION.
AND TWO, THAT ROOFING SHINGLES MATCH THE EXISTING SHINGLES OF MAIN BUILDING AND COLOR MATERIAL AND DIMENSIONALITY.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION D FIVE B FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A PRE PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT REAR HORIZONTAL ADDITION TO MAIN BUILDING MAY BE, WHOOPS.
AM I THE RIGHT ONE? THAT'S NUMBER, THAT'S NUMBER TWO.
SORRY,
THAT NUMBER 1 0 5 SIDING BE USED ON ADDITION.
TWO THAT A WINDOW BE ADDED TO THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION AND THREE, THAT THE ROOF MATCH EXISTING.
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A PRE-DESIGNATED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A COVERED PATIO ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE MAIN MAIN BUILDING BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONED, WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS.
ONE, THAT PATIO BE RELOCATED BEHIND SIDE PORCH AND TWO THAT THE ROOF SHINGLES MATCH THE EXISTING.
UH, WE NEED YOU TO TELL US YOUR, UH, NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
ALRIGHT, SIR, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO GIVE US TO TELL US ANYTHING ADDITIONAL THAT YOU WISH US TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
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MY, MY MICIS THE MICROPHONE NO LONGER WORKING RIGHT OR YES, CAN HEAR ME? WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE AT HOME 'CAUSE THEY WON'T KNOW UNLESS OKAY.
WE ARE NOW HAVE THE MICROPHONE ON.
MR. VERE HAS DONE ALL THE INTRO STUFF AND NOW HE'S SPEAKING
SO THE, I'M SPEAKING FOR THE HOMEOWNER.
UH, AND HE JUST WANTS TO LET Y'ALL KNOW THAT HE, HE'S NOT TRYING TO CHANGE THE WAY THIS HOUSE LOOKS.
HE'S JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT BETTER AND, UH, WHATEVER THAT UH, THAT'S NOT, WHATEVER'S NOT ON THE PLANS THAT Y'ALL NEED TO CHANGE THAT HE WOULD, HE WOULD GLADLY CHANGE ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.
ALRIGHT THEN COMMISSIONERS, WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE? I HAVE A QUESTION.
THE NINE FOOT CORRUGATED METAL WALL, IS THAT ALLOWED BY CITY ZONING? DOES ANYBODY KNOW? I MEAN, IT'S A PRETTY HEAVY DUTY.
YOU MEAN THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT WALL THAT'S PREEXISTING THAT WE HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT.
BUT IS THAT ALLOWED BY ZONING? IS IT IT IS NOT AN APPROVED MATERIAL FOR IT.
NO, I'M I'M SAYING I I KNOW THAT THE WALL IS EXISTING.
SO WE HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER IT.
I'M JUST WONDERING IS IT ALLOWED BY CITY OF DALLAS BASIC ZONING? THIS IS NOTWITHSTANDING HISTORIC DESIGNATION.
I'M SORRY, SAID THIS IS INSPECTOR, UH, UH, WITH CODE IT IS NOT AN, UH, ALLOWED FENCING MATERIAL.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE NO JURISDICTION AS THE LANDMARK COMMISSION IS PREEXISTING, IT IS NOT ILLEGAL? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO.
UH, OR YES CODE WOULD ISSUE A NOTICE FOR AN UNAPPROVED BUILDING MATERIAL.
SO IS IT THE MATERIAL OR THE HEIGHT THAT IS THE ISSUE? LIKELY BOTH.
SO DO YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED THERE BY BASIC CODE? IT TYPICALLY, IT HAS TO BE ONE OF THE APPROVED MATERIALS IN THE ORDINANCE FOR FENCING.
UH, AND IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT.
SO IF, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING AND IT HAS TO BE IN THE FRONT, IT TYPICALLY HAS TO BE UNDER UH, A CERTAIN BUT AS WELL, I THINK IT'S SO NOT WITHSTANDING THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION 'CAUSE THIS WAS PREEXISTING, THAT WALL HAS TO COME DOWN AND THEN A NEW WALL WOULD BE APPROVED WITH THIS BODY.
IS THAT CORRECT? IF, IF THEY CHOSE TO AS TO REPLACE IT, OF COURSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
WELL I THOUGHT I JUST HEARD FROM CODE COMPLIANCE THAT IT'S NOT LEGAL SO THEN IT'S GOTTA GO AWAY.
WELL SHE HAS AGREED THAT THAT IS LIKELY SOMETHING THAT ONE MIGHT CITE THEM FOR, BUT THAT'S NOT, UM, WE CAN'T YOU TO RULE BASED ON WHAT'S THERE NOW.
PARDON ME? YOU HAVE TO RULE BASED ON WHAT'S THERE NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IF THE WALL IS NOT LEGAL BY THE CITY OF DELL'S CODE, THEN IT SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
DID IT COME DOWN THEN NOT NOTWITHSTANDING THIS BODY AND THIS PRE DESIGNATION, IF THAT'S NOT ALLOWED IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, THEN IT'S NOT ALLOWED.
IT WOULD BE A VIOLATION THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO ENFORCE UNTIL THEY'VE COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
OKAY, SO IN THE UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THEY, UM, REQUESTED THAT THE COVERED PATIO BE RELOCATED TO THE REAR 50%.
UM, WOULD THAT BE AN ISSUE, UH, FOR THIS APPLICANT TO DO THAT? NO.
THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING REALLY EASY.
UM, SORRY I DIDN'T ANSWER THIS.
I ASKED THIS EARLIER TO STAFF.
WHEN DID THIS, UH, AREA BECOME UNDER, UH, LANDMARK'S PURVIEW? JUNE 3RD, 2024.
ALRIGHT, BECAUSE I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENCES ON THE NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT HAD HAPPENED CONSIDERING
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FROM WHERE GOOGLE MAPS WAS TO WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW, TRYING TO GET A HAND ON LIKE THAT WEIRD APEX WHERE THAT'S AND, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER COX? UM, BUT THE OTHER ISSUE, YOU MIGHT NEED TO SPEAK MORE INTO THE MICROPHONE SO PEOPLE AT HOME WILL, EXCUSE ME.
UM, THE OTHER ISSUE ON BOTH THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE SHINGLES MATCH THE EXISTING SHINGLES AND THEY'RE NOT A DIFFERENT COLOR.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE A, UM, SUGGESTION THAT, THAT THE PATIO COVER CAN BE RELOADED THE BACK HALF OF THE PROPERTY AND THAT YOU WOULD CHANGE THE COLORS OF THE SHINGLES AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE HERE.
DID YOU NEED IT? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT? NO.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ONE? OH, COMMISSIONER HARPER.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO, TO CLARIFY WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, IN THE PRECEDENT PHOTOS IN THE PACKAGE, THERE'S AN EXTENSION THAT WAS ADDED TO THE RIDGE LINE ON EACH GABLE IN THE ELEVATION OF PROPOSED.
IT DOESN'T SHOW THAT EXTENDED RIDGE LINE ON THE FRONT G ANYMORE.
UH, IS IT INTENDED TO REMOVE THAT? I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK, UH, ON THE PICTURE THAT I SEEN, UH, AT THE BEGINNING, YEAH, I SEEN THAT IT HAS LIKE A LITTLE ANOTHER GABLE ON TOP.
IS THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS THERE ALREADY WHEN, WHEN I GOT THERE.
YOU KNOW, HE DIDN'T TELL ME THAT, THAT THEY HAD DONE WORK ON THAT.
'CAUSE HE JUST, HE, I, I'M, I'M ASSUMING HE JUST BOUGHT THE HOUSE ALSO.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, WOULD YOU OR YOUR, UM, APPLICANT BE WILLING TO MOVE THE COVERED PATIO TOWARD IN THE BACKYARD? YES.
SO IN THE BACKYARD BEHIND THE HOUSE? UH, I DON'T, I THINK HE WOULD PROBABLY JUST ELIMINATE IT IF HE WAS GONNA GO IN THE BACKYARD.
'CAUSE I MEAN, I, I AGREE WITH IT NOT BEING SO CLOSE TO THE FRONT.
UH, MAYBE TOWARDS THE BACK, BUT NOT EXACTLY IN THE BACK.
COULD YOU DO IT BY THE ADDITION? YES.
SO YOU'D BE WILLING TO MOVE IT TO THE REAR AT THE ADDITION AREA BEHIND THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
IS THERE ANY WAY IN THE MIDDLE? I'M JUST ASKING IF YOU MM-HMM.
HOW FAR BACK WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE PUTTING IT? UM, HALF, HALF OF THE ADDITION AND HA.
AND HAVE TO THE OTHER SIDE? I THINK THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE PRETTY GOOD.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? BECAUSE THEN WE NEED TO MAKE OUR MOTION IF THERE IS NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
ANYBODY AT HOME? IS THIS ALL, ALL IT'S AN OLD TEACHER TRICK THAT WORKS EVERY TIME.
AWKWARD, AWKWARD SILENCE, LOOKING PERFECTLY COMFORTABLE AND SOMEBODY CAN'T STAND IT ANY LONGER.
IN THE MATTER OF, UH, KCA 2 4 5 DASH 1 0 9 RD 37 19 RUSKIN STREET PRE DESIGNATION MORATORIUM FOR QUEEN CITY.
A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE REQUEST BASED ON, UM, STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS AND CONDITIONS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER PEL FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION I WOULD ASK, LIKE TO ASK FOR A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER MOVING THE ENCLOSED PATIO TO HALF ON THE HOUSE AND HALF ON THE ADDITION AS HE OFFERED? UM, I BELIEVE THEY WERE GONNA MOVE THE NEW COVERED PATIO BEHIND THAT.
THAT
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS ON THIS DRAWING, BUT, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE STAFF CONDITIONS.
THAT'S ONE OF THE STAFF, UH, CONDITIONS THAT THEY MOVE.
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BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS ON THIS DRAWING, BUT I DO KNOW WHERE HALF ON THE ADDITION IS.AND I THINK THAT'S, ARE WE TALKING 50% OF THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE OR THE ADDITION AND STRUCTURE WHAT STAFF IS REFERRING TO IS BEHIND THE EXISTING PATIO STARTING HERE.
SO IT WOULD BE ENTIRELY BY THE REAR EDITION? YES.
BUT YOUR PROPOSAL IS HALF OF IT HERE AND THEN HALF OF IT ON THE BACK.
I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE AS FAR BACK AS POSSIBLE AND IF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS ENTIRELY BEHIND THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AND THAT'S FINE, BUT THAT'S THE INTENT I BELIEVE OF STAFF.
I I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE 50% WAS ON THE, YEAH.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT THEN WE ARE READY TO VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSE THIS MOTION? ALRIGHT.
IT APPEARS THAT THIS MOTION HAS, UH, CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY AND STAFF WILL HELP YOU SERVE WITH, UM, WHAT THE CONDITIONS WERE THAT WERE PRO PUT ON IT AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO S THOSE.
AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT.
YEAH, MADAM CHAIR, SINCE WE HAVE THE UM, UH, INDIVIDUAL, UH, SPEAKER HERE FOR D NINE, I MOVE THAT WE REARRANGE THE AGENDA AND TAKE DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, LET US GO DO THAT JAKE.
DISCUSSION ITEM NINE WILL BE NEXT.
THE STAFF MUST READ IT INTO THE RECORD.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER NINE IS AT ONE 11 NORTH WINDERMERE AVENUE IN THE WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 45 DASH 0 9 5 MW.
PRESENTING REQUEST NUMBER ONE IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL SIGHTINGS NON HISTORIC WITH NUMBER ONE 17 WOOD NOVELTY SIDING.
AND THE SECOND REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT MAIN STRUCTURE BODY SHERMAN WILLIAMS 28 24 RENWICK GOLDEN OAK TRIM.
THE TRIM IS TO BE A, A, A CUSTOM COLOR MATCHED TO THE EXISTING SEQUOIA RED COLOR STAFF.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL SIDING NON HISTORIC WITH ONE 17 WOOD NOVELTY SIDING BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE SIDING BE WOULD SHAKE TO MATCH KNOWN ORIGINAL SIDING UNDER THE NON HISTORIC SIDING AS NOTED BY THE APPLICANT.
AND A FINDING OF FACT THAT CHANGING THE SIDING TO ONE 17 NOVELTY SIDING AS PROPOSED WOULD BE CONJECTURAL AND THAT WHILE PRESERVATION CRITERIA 51 P DASH 87 1 11 A 10 C DOES NOT ALLOW SHAKE SIDING AS A PRIMARY SIDING.
THE KNOWN HISTORIC SIDING ON THIS HOUSE WAS SHAKE.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TWO.
THAT'S A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT MAIN STRUCTURE BODY SW 28 24 RENWICK GOLDEN OAK TRIM COLOR MATCHED TO EXISTING SEQUOIA RED COLOR BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH A, WITH MATERIALS SUBMITTED 11 7 24 WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE BRICK WAS PREVIOUSLY PAINTED.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH, EXCUSE ME, WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN AT ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE.
NUMBER TWO, NO QUORUM COMMENTS.
ONLY SUPPORTIVE CONSIDERING MAKING THE TRIM SHINIER THAN THE SIDE INK FOR SOME CONTRAST.
BODY AND TRIM LOOK TOO SIMILAR, BUT STILL COMPATIBLE.
AND WE HAVE OUR SPEAKER HERE, DAVID, ER.
SO IF YOU'VE BEEN WATCHING, PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND THE AFFIRMATION THAT YOU WILL TELL US THE TRUTH.
MY NAME IS DAVID, ER, I'M THE OWNER AND APPLICANT FOR 1 1 1 NORTH WIND METER IN THE NECK, THE HEIGHTS.
AND I AFFIRM THAT I WILL TELL THE TRUTH.
NOW YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO FILL US IN MORE INFORMATION THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ON YOUR PROJECT.
UH, LET ME OFFER THREE OBSERVATIONS
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OR COMMENTS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AS THE OWNER AND APPLICANT.I DO RECOMMEND, UH, THAT YOU CONSIDER AND APPROVE THE REQUEST AS PRESENTED.
UH, THAT, UH, IT'S MY INTERPRETATION THAT THE PROPOSED NUMBER 1 1 7 WOOD SIDING WOULD NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT 'CAUSE THE SIDING IS IN COMMON USE THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT ON MANY CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
WE HAD TWO OBJECTIVES WHEN WE CHO CHOSE THIS PATH.
NUMBER ONE, UH, WITH A 100-YEAR-OLD HOME, IT WAS TIME TO REMOVE THAT NON HISTORIC SIGHTING.
AND THEN SEC, OUR SECOND OBJECTIVE WAS TO INSTALL A SIGHTING THAT WOULD, AFTER WE REMOVE THOSE LAYERS, LAYERS RETURN THAT, UH, SHADOW LINE, UH, UH, OFFSET BETWEEN THE WOOD SIDING AND THE WINDOW TRIM THAT HAS BEEN LOST FOR MANY YEARS.
UM, I DO BELIEVE THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR APPROPRIATENESS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
NOW, NUMBER TWO, IF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION AND STAFF WANT TO ADD A RIGHT THINKING, THIRD OBJECTIVE TO MATCH THE KNOWN ORIGINAL SIGHTING, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS, UH, TO STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO FULLY EMBRACE THE KNOWN, UH, ORIGINAL SIDE.
UM, THE ORIGINAL SIGHTING TO ANSWER ONE OF THE COMMISSIONER'S EARLIER QUESTIONS IS 14 AND A HALF INCHES TALL WITH VARIABLE WIDTH.
IT'S A VERY THIN, ROUGH, UH, HUE WOOD.
UH, I THINK THE DIMENSIONS ARE MORE LIKE A SHINGLE.
IT'S A QUARTER INCH TO THREE EIGHTHS INCH TAPER.
UH, SHAKES ARE TYPICALLY THICKER THAN THAT.
UM, AND, UH, THOSE, UM, WOOD SHINGLES ARE, UM, UH, FOR HORIZONTAL EMPHASIS PRESENTED IN A SERIES OF ALTERNATING BAND WHERE YOU HAVE A 10 INCH EXPOSURE, FOUR INCH EXPOSURE, AND A 10 INCH EXPOSURE.
UH, I WOULD ALSO, UH, AMEND PART TWO THAT THE BODY, UH, BE CHANGED TO A STAIN OR SEAL FOR A BEST MATCH WITH THAT REDDISH BROWN NATURAL WOOD ROUGH TEXTURE.
FOR THE KNOWN ORIGINAL SIDING, I RECOMMEND THE CRIM COLOR REMAIN AS A MATCH TO THE EXISTING SEQUOIA RED COLOR.
AND THEN I WOULD PROPOSE THE ACCENT COLOR B THE W 28 24 RENWICK GOLD AND OAK BE USED ON BOX, UH, WOOD BOX COLUMNS, THE WOOD SKIRT TRIM BOARD BELOW THE BELT COURSE, THE DOORS AROUND THE PORCH CEILING, ESSENTIALLY ALL ITEMS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY PAINTED WHITE.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE THIRD THING I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU IS, UH, I AM, I CAN GET BEHIND, UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, WITH THOSE IN, THAT IS YOUR TIME, SIR.
I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THE APPLICANT THREE MORE MINUTES.
UM, I, I DO REQUEST, CONSIDERATION OR APPROVAL TODAY OF THIS AGENDA ITEM, WHETHER YOU APPROVE MY PREFERENCE, WHETHER YOU APPROVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH AMENDMENTS OR BOTH, AND IN POWER, UH, MR. WATSON TO WORK WITH ME FOR THE BEST SOLUTION.
I'M OKAY WITH ALL THREE OF THOSE WITH THE CONSIDERATION WE VOTE FOR, BUT I DO HAVE A PREFERENCE.
MAY I ASK YOU, SIR, WHY YOUR PREFERENCE IS NOT THE SHINGLES? THEY SOUND JUST GORGEOUS, BUT IS THERE SOMETHING YOU DON'T LIKE 'EM THERE IN BAD CONDITION? SURE.
AND, UH, I MIGHT ADD, WE DID DISCUSS THIS AT THE TASK FORCE.
UH, I DID NOT PUT ON THE CEMENT, UH, SIDING, UH, THAT IS APPLIED OVER A BLACK BELT, UH, WATERPROOFING, UH, WHICH IS APPLIED OVER THE KNOWN ORIGINAL SIDING, WHICH IS APPLIED OVER A BROWN PAPER, UH, LINING, WHICH IS APPLIED OVER SOLID SHEATHING.
UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO GET, UH, INSULATION INTO THE WALL CAVITY.
SO WE'RE PREPARED TO REMOVE THIS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE STUDS TO INSULATE THE WALL.
AND I SUSPECT THE SAME ISSUES THAT THE PREVIOUS OWNER, UH, EXPERIENCED A THIN WOOD SHINGLE SUBJECT TO CRACKING, REQUIRING ONGOING MAINTENANCE.
IT'S REASONABLE TO ASSUME THAT LED TO WATER INFILTRATION AND THAT'S WHY THEY APPLIED, UH, THE CEMENT SHINGLE OR CEMENT SIDING TO A NON TAINTED SURFACE.
UM, TO RESPOND TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONER'S, UH, QUESTION EARLIER IN THE BRIEFING, UH, WE DID REMOVE A PORTION OF THE CEMENT SIDING TO UNCOVER,
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UH, THE KNOWN ORIGINAL SIDING.UH, THERE ARE AT LEAST SIX NAIL HOLES FOR EVERY CEMENT SHINGLE THAT HAS GONE THROUGH INTO THE KNOWN ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING.
IN ADDITION, THE BLACK FELT PAPER WHEN IT WAS APPLIED ALSO PUT HOLES IN THE WOOD SHINGLES.
SO IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR EACH OF THESE WOOD SHINGLES TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO, SOMETIMES MORE PENETRATIONS IN EACH ONE OF THEM.
THERE ARE MANY CRACKS AND SPLITS THAT WE WITNESSED WHEN WE, UH, DID A QUICK REVIEW OF THE KNOWN ORIGINAL SIGHTING.
QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
HE WAS A TASK FORCE ARCHITECT BACK A FEW YEARS AGO.
I REMEMBER YOU WELL, MORE THAN A FEW.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH, UM, OF THE SHINGLE YOU THINK THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE IS SHINGLED OR IS IT JUST GABLE ENDS OR, UM, UH, WE HAVE A SECOND STORY, SO I ASSUME IT'S UNDER THAT.
I HAVEN'T UNCOVERED, UH, THAT SIDING.
UH, IT IS ON THE, UM, ON THE, UM, ON THE REAR ELEVATION FROM THE BELT COURSE AT THE BOTTOM BELOW THE WINDOWS ALL THE WAY UP IN, INTO THE GABLE.
THERE'S NO BELT FORCE OR SEPARATION BETWEEN THE BODY OF THE, UH, ELEVATION AND JUST THE GABLE SECTION.
UH, THE ONLY NON SHINGLED AREA IS A, UM, UH, A ONE BY WOOD TRIM, UH, THAT'S, UM, UH, UM, DOWN BELOW, ABOVE THE BRICK SKIRT.
SO YOU THINK THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE OF SHINGLE, WHICH WOULD BE REALLY QUITE EXTRAORDINARY, VERY UNUSUAL.
THIS WOULD BE A VERY UNIQUE REPRESENATION OF THE CRAFTSMAN HOME, NOT COMMONLY FOUND THAN OUR UNUSUAL.
WOULD IT BE MORE PRACTICAL FOR US TO WAIT TILL YOU REMOVE ALL OF THE ASBESTOS CONCRETE SIDING SO WE CAN GET A BETTER FEELING FOR WHAT'S GOING ON? WELL, I HAVEN'T TESTED IT, SO I CAN'T CONFIRM AND TELL, TELL YOU TRUTHFULLY THAT IT'S COMPOSED OF ASBESTOS, BUT I DO KNOW IT'S A CEMENT SHINGLE.
AND, UH, MY NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET WHO I'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A LONG TIME, DO RECALL THE COVERAGE THAT I'M RELAYING TO TODAY.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO WAIT UNTIL THAT SIDING COMES OFF SO WE CAN GET A FULL VIEW OF WHAT'S BEEN, WHAT'S GOING ON? I WOULD BE WILLING TO ACCEPT A FAVORABLE VOTE TODAY.
UH, AND IF WE FIND ANYTHING OTHER THAN WE, UH, THEN WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED TODAY, UH, WE WOULD CREATE A WHOLE POINT FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I JUST FEEL WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION AND WE'RE KIND OF PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE AS FAR AS WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE THE SIDING IS AND WHAT CONDITION IS IN.
AND I'D FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE KNOWING WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER.
AND I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PRESERVATION PLAN IF YOU SO EMPOWER HIM.
WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU BE IN FAVOR OF CONSIDER, UM, A SELF ADHERE, UH, PILL AND STICK WATERPROOF MEMBRANE THAT, UH, YOU COULD UTILIZE AS YOUR MOISTURE BARRIER, SUCH AS LIKE A GRACE WATER SHIELD THAT YOU'D USE ON THE, ON THE ROOF OR WHATEVER, BUT UTILIZE IT AROUND THE SIDES TO BE ABLE TO HELP THAT INFILTRATION AND MOISTURE OR PENETRATION WITH, WITH THE CELL SEALING HOLES OF A APPEAL AND STICK MEMBRANE.
WOULD YOU BE IN FAVOR OF DOING THAT AND THAT WAY YOU COULD GO BACK TO AN EXTRAORDINARY HOUSE WITH THE SHINGLES? WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT? YEAH.
BEFORE I ANSWER THAT, IF I HAVEN'T ALREADY BEEN CLEAR, I CAN GET TOTALLY BEHIND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH AMENDMENTS TO PROCEED WITH A FULLY SHINGLED, UH, STRUCTURE.
I'VE ONLY STARTED DISCUSSIONS, UH, THIS MORNING WITH THE CONTRACTOR ABOUT IDEAS SUCH AS THAT.
I KNOW THAT IF WE GO THIS ROUTE, I'M IN FOR A LOT MORE MONEY THAN I ORIGINALLY PLANNED, AND I KNOW THAT'LL BE AN ONGOING CARE AND MAINTENANCE OF THE WOOD CHAIN.
YOU THINK THAT DELTA WOULD BE AN EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNT OF DELTA BETWEEN PILL AND STICK AND SHINGLES AS OPPOSED TO ALL NEW WOOD SIDING? YES, IT WOULD BE.
BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A DECISION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER SO YOU CAN PROCEED TODAY AND IF WE DECIDED TO GO THAT WAY, THEN, THEN SO BE IT, RIGHT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
REAL, REAL QUICKLY, LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN EVERYONE AND SHOW YOU WHAT HE HAS SUBMITTED AS WHAT HE WOULD WANT TO SEE AS, UM, THIS, THIS IS THE LOOK THAT HE WOULD
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BE GOING FOR.UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, KIND OF THE, THE VARIOUS, WELL, IF IT, IF MY COMPUTER WOULD COOPERATE, YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT, UH, SIZES OF EXPOSURE THERE.
UH, IS THAT, IS THAT TRUE MR. ICKER? YES.
THAT'S AN EXAMPLE SHARED WITH YOU THIS MORNING, JUST OF THE HORIZONTAL TREATMENT.
IT'S PRETTY AMAZINGLY BEAUTIFUL.
I HAVE TO SAY
THIS WILL BE A UNIQUE, I'M GONNA EMPHASIZE UNIQUE, UH, STRUCTURE IN WINNETKA HEIGHTS.
IT WAS HARD TO VISUALIZE, BUT THAT IS REALLY NICE.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? BECAUSE IF NOT, WE HAVE TO, SOMEBODY HAS TO COME UP WITH WHAT THEY WANT THE MOTION TO BE.
THE WOOD REPLACEMENT WAS ONE 17.
WAS THAT WHAT IT WAS? OKAY, ONE 17.
I HAVE ONE 17 WAS MOST BORING.
OLD HOUSE, IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE.
I AM NOT READY WITH THE MOTION, BUT I HAVE AN IDEA, BUT I THINK MR. ER PROBABLY ALREADY THOUGHT ABOUT MR. YES.
AT YOUR CURRENT ASSESSED VALUE, ALL YOU HAVE TO SPEND IS 25% OF FOUR HUNDRED AND SEVEN, SEVEN NINETY.
UM, SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT WITH THE REPAIRS AND THE UPGRADES ON THE EXTERIOR, THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO EASILY REACH THAT 25%.
SO YOU COULD GET A HISTORIC TAX ABATEMENT TOGETHER AND I'M SURE WE COULD HELP.
OUR STAFF WILL BE HAPPY TO HELP YOU WITH THAT APPLICATION.
MR. WATSON HAS BEEN HELPING AND I WISH I KNEW HOW TO MAKE THIS MOTION BECAUSE DAVID'S MY NEIGHBOR AND I'VE KNOWN FOR YEARS, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ IT.
WELL THEN RELY ON SOMEBODY MORE ADEPT THAN ONE OF YOUR FRIENDS WILL HAVE TO.
ONE OF MY FRIENDS, SHE'S VERY POPULAR FRIENDS.
I HAVE ANOTHER, I THINK MR. CUMMINGS, I MEAN CHER C**S.
I I WOULD LIKE SOME BEING AN ARCHITECT AND EVERYTHING, OR MR. MR. S
I WOULD LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION.
YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD SOME CONDITIONS OR OPTIONS FOR THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS WE THINK YOU HAVE A REALLY GREAT HOUSE AND THE SIGNING'S AMAZING AND WE DON'T WANT IT TO COME OFF AND BE CHANGED TO NOVELTY, WHICH IS TYPICAL BUT NOT EXTRAORDINARY.
SO WHAT, HOW COULD WE, YOU SAID YOU HAD SOME, SOME CONDITIONS OR COMMENTS.
CAN YOU GIVE THOSE BACK TO US AS FAR AS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON RETAINING OR REPLACING THE SHINGLES? CERTAINLY.
UM, AND I DID SHARE THIS WITH MARCUS THIS MORNING ON ITEM ONE, I WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, A BEST MATCH OF THAT EXISTING WOOD, REDDISH BROWN ROUGH TEXTURE SHINGLE OR SHAKE.
I WOULD RECOMMEND FOR HORIZONTAL EMPHASIS THAT THE WALLS HAVE WOOD COURSES WITH ALTERNATING WIDTHS APPROXIMATELY FOUR INCHES AND 10 INCHES TO MATCH THE KNOWN ORIGINAL SIDING.
SO I JUST WANNA CAPTURE IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THE FULL UNIQUENESS, THE FULLNESS OF THE UNIQUE STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE HERE, UM, IN RECOMMEND IN, UH, PART TWO IS RECOMMENDATION TWO.
I THINK THAT WOULD NATURALLY INHERENTLY CHANGE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THE BODY COLOR INSTEAD OF THE CURRENT COLOR PRESENTED IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
AND IN MY REQUEST, IT WOULD CHANGE TO A STAIN OR SEALER TO PRESERVE AND BEST REPRESENT THAT REDDISH BROWN ROUGH TEXTURE OF THE KNOWN ORIGINAL SIDING.
THE TRIM COLOR WOULD REMAIN THE SAME, NO AMENDMENT THERE, BUT I WOULD ADD AN ACCENT COLOR, W 28 24 TO BE USED IN AREAS WHERE WE HAVE WOOD TRIM RIGHT NOW THAT'S PAINTED WHITE THAT WOULD NOT BE REPLACED, WHERE IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE TO REPLACE IT WITH A, UM, CEDAR, OR EXCUSE ME, A WOOD SHING.
SO ON THE WOOD SHINGLE ISSUE, YOU'RE AMENABLE TO RETAINING THE EXISTING SHINGLES OR CHANGING IT IN KIND IF THEY'RE NOT SALVAGEABLE YES.
IN THE ORIGINAL HORIZONTAL PATTERNS THAT ARE ON THE HOUSE.
AND I WANT, UH, YES, THAT IS RIGHT AND THAT IS WHAT I'M, I THINK I NEED TO PLAN FOR.
I BELIEVE BECAUSE OF THE OVERLAY SIDING AND FELT THERE ARE MULTIPLE PENETRATIONS IN THE OLD KNOWN
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ORIGINAL SIDING, IT WILL NOT BE SALVAGEABLE.AND IF I'M GONNA BUDGET PROPERLY AND DO THIS RIGHT, I NEED TO PREPARE FOR A TOTAL REPLACEMENT.
I'M, I'M REPLACING WOOD SIDING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IT'S JUST I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE LIFECYCLE COST AND MAINTENANCE OF A THIN WOOD SHINGLE, UM, AS OPPOSED TO THE MORE FAMILIAR ONE 17.
YES, WE DO HAVE OUR EMAILS RIGHT HERE AND I I CAN PUT UP HIS EMAIL ON THE SCREEN IF YOU'D LIKE, THAT HAS THOSE RECOMME REQUESTED IT HAS THOSE WRITTEN OUT IN CASE WE REQUEST THESE, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT REALLY EASY FOR SOMEONE MAKING A MOTION.
THEY COULD THAT THESE YEAH, HERE, HERE ARE HIS, HIS ASKS AND STAFF WOULD, WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
ALRIGHT, IT'S BEING REVIEWED AND THEN SOMEONE WILL MAKE A MOTIONS.
OUR CITY ATTORNEY WOULD WISH TO MADAM CHAIR IF IT PLEASES THE COMMISSION.
UH, I WAS JUST GONNA POINT OUT MY, MYSELF AND MY INTERN PASSED OUT THIS HANDOUT AND IT HAS, UH, JUST SOME TIPS ON WHEN YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION, HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET THE, UH, THE PARTICULAR LEGAL POINTS IN THERE.
UM, THAT WON'T HELP YOU AS FAR AS THE, UH, THE ARCHITECTURAL POINTS.
UH, THAT'S NOT MY WHEELHOUSE, BUT, UM, THE LEGAL STUFF IS, UH, IS ON HERE AND THAT SHOULD, UH, ACT AS A A LITTLE BIT OF A GUIDELINE WHEN YOU'RE MAKING YOUR MOTION.
SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
SOME OF OURS ARE PRETTY DIFFICULT TO DO ONE, BUT THIS IS NOT A AMONG DIFFICULTNESS.
SO WHO IS BRAVELY STEPPING FORWARD? THERE ARE BRAVE PEOPLE OVER HERE TOO.
I, UH, LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, ON, UH, DISCUSSION ITEM 9 1 11 NORTH WINDERMERE AVENUE, UH, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS CA 2 4 5 AND DASH 0 9 5 MW.
THAT, UM, REGARDING REQUEST ONE FOR, TO GET OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT WE, UM, REPLACE THE EXISTING, UM, CEMENTITIOUS SIDING WITH, UM, THE ORIGINAL KNOWN SIDING, UH, BEST TO MATCH EXISTING WITH, UM, ALTERNATING FOUR INCH AND 10 INCH, UM, SIDING MATERIALS, UM, WHICH ARE, UH, WOOD, UM, SHINGLES THAT THE, THAT SHINGLE BODY COLOR WOULD THEN BE STAINED OR SEALED TO KEEP THE ORIGINAL UM, UM, COLOR AND THAT ALL ACCENT TRIM BE, UH, LET'S SEE.
ALL ACCENT COLOR TO BE, UH, LET'S SEE, RENWICK GOLD, UH, OAK.
OKAY, NOW I HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE RULING, RIGHT? UH, LET'S SEE.
AND THE RECOMMENDATION OF A CONDITION WOULD ALLOW PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION C CRITERIA.
UH, FIVE ONE P DASH 89.11, UM, A 10 A, THE STANDARDS OF THE CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN THE SECRETARY INTERIORS, UH, OF THE INTERIOR STANDARD FOR REHABILITATION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER PREZI.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT THEN I CALL FOR THE VOTE ALL FAVOR.
I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.
I JUST WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE APPLICANT.
I THINK YOU TOOK WHAT IS AN UGLY DUCKLING AND MAKE IT INTO AN EXTRAORDINARY HOUSE.
IF THE CEDAR SHINGLES ARE SALVAGEABLE, YOU PUT NEW ONES ON, IT'S GONNA BE A STELLAR HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION AND FOR BEING SO NICE TO US ABOUT IT.
I GOTTA GO HOME AND TELL MY WIFE
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THIS MOTION, NOT INCLUDING HIS WIFE.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
AND YOU OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, IT APPEARS IT HAS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
I DON'T GUESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT IF YOU DO, MARCUS WOULD BE HAPPY TO HELP YOU WITH IT AND HE WILL PROCESS YOUR PAPERWORK.
SEND US A PICTURE WHEN YOU'RE DONE.
OKAY, SO NEXT WE ARE GOING WITH D FOUR.
D FOUR OH THIS IS CHRISTINA PEREZ SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 4 59 26 RIEGER AVE.
JUNIORS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 4 5 1 1 5 CP THERE ARE THREE REQUESTS.
REQUEST NUMBER ONE OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE AND STAIN ONE SIDE DOOR BEAR NATURAL BARK N 1 7 0 DASH SIX AND REPAIR AND PAINT ONE SIDE DOOR, BEAR GARDEN VISTA IN FOUR 30 DASH THREE.
REQUEST NUMBER TWO, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE FRONT WOOD GATES WITH SEVEN FOOT BLACK BROAD IRON GATES.
REQUEST NUMBER THREE, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REBUILD AND RE AND REPLACE CONCRETE STEPS ON SIDE OF MAIN STRUCTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE AND STAIN ONE SIDE DOOR BARE NATURAL BARK N ONE 70 DASH SIX AND REPAIR AND PAINT ONE SIDE DOOR, BARE GARDEN VISTA N FOUR 30 DASH THREE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 12 TWO 2024.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 4.8 5.1 AND 5.2.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE FRONT WOOD GATES WITH SEVEN FOOT BLACK BRI IRON GATES BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 3.6 A TWO, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN AT TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REBUILD REPLACE CONCRETE STEPS ON SIDE OF MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED PER MATERIAL SUBMITTED 10 28 2024 IF THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA, SECTION 3.6 C, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE AND STAIN ONE SIDE DOOR BARE, UH, NATURAL NATURAL BARK N ONE 70 DASH SIX AND REPAIR AND REPAINT ONE SIDE DOOR, BARE GARDEN VISTA AND 4 3 0 DASH THREE BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT A PHOTO OF THE 15 PANEL GLASS GLASSDOOR IS PROVIDED.
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE FRONT WOOD GATES WITH SEVEN FOOT BLACK WROUGHT IRON GATES BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
TASK FORCE APPROVES METAL GATES HOWEVER THE PROPOSED LOCATIONS OF THE REPLACEMENT GATES ARE IN THE FRONT 50% OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND THEREFORE REQUIRES SPECIAL APPROVAL BY THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO REBUILD SLASH REPLACE CONCRETE STEPS ON SIDE OF MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT DRAWINGS AND DIMENSIONS ARE PROVIDED.
AND WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER ON THIS REQUEST AND SHE IS ONLINE.
WE DO HAVE TO SEE YOU THE WHOLE TIME, MS. ERSKINE.
SO THE WAY WE DO THIS IS YOU TELL US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
MY ADDRESS IS 59 26 REER AVENUE.
I, UM, DO SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
ALRIGHT MA'AM, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO GIVE US ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU, WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
ALL RIGHT, WELL I AM THE OWNER OF THE HOME.
UM, I DID GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN TO THE DISCUSSION THIS MORNING, SO I WAS PLANNING ON FOCUSING ON THE GATES.
THE ULTIMATE REASON THAT WE'RE LOOKING, UM, TO KEEP THE GATES ABOVE THAT 50 PERCENTILE IS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A BACK DOOR.
UM, WE JUST HAVE THE FRONT DOOR AND THEN THE TWO SIDE DOORS, WHICH YOU SAW PHOTOS OF THIS MORNING.
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NORTHEAST DOOR IS LOCATED IN FRONT OF THAT 50% MARK.UM, IT'S JUST BEHIND THE CURRENT WOODEN GATE THAT WE WERE LOOKING TO REPLACE WITH THE WROUGHT IRON GATE.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER SOUTHWEST DOOR IS LOCATED RIGHT, LIKE ALMOST EXACTLY AT THAT 50% MARK.
I DID GO MEASURED AGAIN TODAY WHEN I GOT OFF THE CALL THIS MORNING.
UM, SO WE WERE JUST LOOKING FOR A WAY TO ACCESS THE BACK OF THE HOME WITHOUT HAVING TO ASK FOR A REQUEST TO PUT A DOOR IN THE BACK.
UM, WITH OUR REQUEST TO ALSO LOOK FOR, LOOK AT GETTING A POOL IN OUR BACKYARD.
WE FELT THAT IT WOULD BE SAFER IF WE DID HAVE PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT OF A GATE CONSTANTLY, UM, IF WE'RE GOING TO AND FROM THE POOL.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT THE EXISTING WR IRON GATE THAT WE HAVE ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE HOME THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT REFURBISHED, UM, THAT IRON GATE, UM, IT IS ABOUT A 15 FOOT GATE, I'M SORRY, ABOUT A 20 FOOT WIDE GATE FENCE AT THE FRONT.
IF WE TRIED TO MOVE THAT BEHIND THE UM, 50% MARK, THERE'S LESS THAN 11 FEET SPACE THERE BETWEEN THE HOME AND OUR PROPERTY LINE.
AND SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEVERAGE, I DUNNO, I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC LOOKING GATE.
UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO PROBABLY GO WITH ASKING YOU GUYS FOR A FENCE AT THAT POINT AND IT WILL BE A A SIX FOOT WOOD.
ALRIGHT THEN STAY ON BECAUSE NOW WE ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
PERFECT QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
COULD YOU SHOW US THE UM, UH, SITE PLAN OF WHERE THE FENCE IS PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED? YES.
PULL THAT BACK UP AND LET, LET'S TO, OKAY.
SO CURRENTLY THE FENCES ARE AT THE RED AND THE YELLOW, CORRECT, EMILY? YES.
AND WHERE ARE THE DOORS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT? THE PURPLE.
OH YES, THEY'RE THE PURPLE, CORRECT.
PURPLE IS A DOOR AND THERE'S NO DOOR ON THE DRIVEWAY SIDE.
THERE IS A DOOR ON THE DRIVEWAY SIDE.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THAT SAYS 4.6 FEET, IT'S RIGHT WHERE THE, THE LIKE CONCRETE STARTS.
'CAUSE IT'S CONCRETE STEPS THAT GO UP TO THAT DOOR.
OKAY, SO LIKE RIGHT HERE? YEAH.
THAT FENCE IS 50 BEHIND THE YELLOW LINE.
SO THE FENCE IS ABOUT AS FAR BACK AS IT COULD BE TO KEEP THAT DOOR INSIDE THE FENCE AREA? YES.
THE PURPLE SIDE, THE PURPLE, THAT'S THE STEPS.
SO THAT'S A DOOR ON THAT SIDE AS WELL? YES.
SO, UM, THEORETICALLY THE RED COULD MOVE FURTHER BACK.
I THEORETICALLY IT CAN, HOWEVER IT'S THE EXISTING BIG, UM, WROUGHT IRON GATE IF IT'S, YEAH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
THE PROBLEM IS ONCE YOU TAKE IT SOMETHING DOWN, IT LOSES ITS GRANDFATHER.
THAT'S WHY, UH, YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW TO GET IT WITHIN ORDINANCE, UM, OR YOU KNOW, SPECIAL APPROVAL.
SO THERE WHERE THE PURPLE IS IS ONE DOOR AND THEN RIGHT BEHIND THE YELLOW LINE ON THE OTHER SIDE IS THE OTHER DOOR.
AND CURRENTLY THERE ARE, BEFORE YOU STARTED WORK, THERE WERE TWO WOOD FENCES OR WOOD GATES.
THE YELLOW, THE YELLOW SIDE, THAT'S A WOOD GATE THAT OPENS UP SO CARS COULD DRIVE BACK.
AND THAT'S, AND THEN JUST THE REST OF THE YARD IS IN SOMEWHAT, SOME OF IT'S FENCED IN, SOME OF IT IS CHAIN LINKEDIN.
UM, THE LEFT HAND SIDE WHERE YOU SEE THOSE GREEN SQUIGGLES IS A CHAIN LINK FENCE RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND WHERE THE RED IS IS WHERE THAT WROUGHT IRON GATE IS CURRENTLY EXISTING.
SO THE WROUGHT IRON GATES ARE ALREADY INSTALLED, NOT THE ONE THAT YOU SEE, IT'S A DIFFERENT ONE.
THERE'S ALL OF THE PARTS ARE HERE, BUT ONLY THE GIANT, IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 10, 10 FEET
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WIDE IS CURRENTLY INSTALLED.AND WE WANT TO GET THE ADDITIONAL TWO PARTS ADDED TO IT AND THEN JUST GET IT LOOKING NICE.
THE STAFF HAVE A PICTURE OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE THAT SHOWS WHERE THE OLD GATE WAS OR, UM, SORT OF, SO THIS IS THE PURPLE SIDE, IS IT, IS THAT SOUTHWEST SIDE? IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
SO LET ME SEE IF I CAN MAKE IT LARGER.
SO THIS IS THE PURPLE SIDE THAT WE JUST SHOWED ON THE SITE PLAN.
AND THIS IS THE PORTION OF THE WR IRON FENCES, CORRECT? THAT'S WHERE TAKE CHAIN.
THIS IS FROM THE FRONT OR THE BACK? THIS IS FROM THE BACK.
UM, THAT'S JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THE CLEAREST PHOTO WE HAVE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A, THERE SHOULD BE A PHOTO IN THAT PACKET OF THE BIG EXISTING GATE TO SHOW THAT IT MATCHES THE OTHER SIDE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON THIS ONE.
AND THEN THERE SHOULD BE ONE MORE.
THAT'S THERE IS ON OUR PAGE 2 54.
AND PLEASE CLARIFY 'CAUSE I'M NOW CONFUSED.
THAT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER OR YOU JUST PUT THAT IN.
WE JUST MOVED BACK TO DALLAS IN, IN MAY.
SO I BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN APRIL THAT HAS BEEN THERE SINCE WE, WE PURCHASED THE HOME.
SO IT WAS PREEXISTING BEFORE YOU PREEXISTING? YES.
AND THE PREEXISTING ONE IS ON THE NON DRIVEWAY SIDE? YES, CORRECT.
BUT THEY'RE ALSO WANTING THE DRIVEWAY SIDE, YOU WANT TO REPLACE THAT WOOD GATE ALSO WITH, TO MATCH THE, THE WROUGHT IRON, CORRECT? YES.
SO THE WOOD THAT WE JUST SAW UP HERE, SHE WOULD LIKE THIS TO ALSO BE THAT, UM, WROUGHT IRON? YES.
AND THE WR IRON FENCE THAT WE JUST SAW WAS PREEXISTING TO WHEN SHE MOVED IN? CORRECT.
AND THAT'S IN THE LOCATION THAT SHE WANTS TO KEEP IT AT? YES.
YEAH, AL ALSO A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UM, THIS CAME UP THIS MORNING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM.
UM, WHEN I READ THE ORDINANCE, IT SAYS, UNDER FENCES, THE TOPS OF FENCES MUST BE HORIZONTAL STEP OR PARALLEL TO GRADE.
WELL, CURRENTLY STAFF HAS DENIED THIS ITEM.
SO THIS PART IS NOT, THIS FENCE IS NOT APPROVED.
THIS IS FOR YOU TO MAKE SPECIAL APPROVAL.
'CAUSE PER ORDINANCE, THIS DOES NOT.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR FROM OUR ATTORNEY ON THAT ISSUE INSTEAD OF ASKING CHRISTINA TO, BUT YES.
YEAH, I, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S DENIED BY STEP LOCATION FOR THE PROPOSED.
THE WHOLE ITEM IS DENIED EVERY YEAH.
BUT DOES OUR ATTORNEY WISH TO SPEAK TO THE LARGER IDEA OF IF WE GAVE IT TO HIM, SHOULD IT BE FLAT
AND, UH, AS SOON AS Y'ALL'S DISCRETION Y'ALL HAVE
SO WE HAVE LOTS OF DISCRETION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER OFFIT, UH, THIS, THIS IS FOR STAFF.
UH, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, BOTH STAFF AND TASK FORCE ARE RECOMMENDING DENIAL ON THE GATES STRICTLY IN TERMS OF THEIR PLACEMENT.
IS THAT CORRECT? THE PLACEMENT FOR THE TASK FORCE? YES.
THAT WAS THEIR MAIN CONCERN FOR STAFF.
IT WAS LOCATION AND BECAUSE OF THE GATES.
BECAUSE OF WHETHER A COMMISSION CAN ONLY MAKE SPECIAL APPROVAL OUTSIDE OF THE ORDINANCE, SO, UM, CORRECT.
AND THEN THE OTHER PART FOR CLARIFICATION, THEY COULD JUST LEAVE WHAT THEY HAVE AND REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT'S PLACED, IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THAT WOULD REQUIRE MORE RESEARCH.
WE'D HAVE TO SEE WHEN THAT GATE AND OR FENCE WAS ORIGINALLY PUT UP.
NOW THAT IT'S PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY, IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE A NEIGHBOR OR SOMEBODY COULD CALL AND SEE IF THEY, THE PREVIOUS OWNERS GOT APPROVAL FOR ITS EXISTING LOCATION.
I'D HAVE TO SEE HOW FAR BACK THAT FENCE HAS BEEN THERE, IF IT WAS THERE PRIOR TO 2006 OR IF IT CAME AFTER.
SO I, FOR THE COMMISSION TODAY, AS FAR AS THE GATES, THE QUESTION IS DO WOULD IT APPROVE A SPECIAL PERMISSION
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TO GO BACK IN AND PUT IN THE NEW GATES AT THE REQUESTED LOCATION? IS IS, DID I GET THAT RIGHT? YES.SO WHETHER THEY CAN KEEP THE EXISTING LOCATION, TECHNICALLY WHEN THEY REPLACE, THEY'RE GONNA LOSE GRANDFATHER AND IF COMMISSION BELIEVES THAT THE STYLE OF THE GATE IS APPROPRIATE, UH, I'LL TAKE THIS DOWN IN CASE ANYBODY HAS QUESTIONS, YOU CAN SEE THEM BETTER.
ARE YOU FINISHED COMMISSIONER OFFIT, OR DID YOU HAVE MORE THAT? THAT'S IT.
YEAH, I WANNA MAKE CERTAIN I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS A REALLY BIG DEAL THAT HAS SIGNIFICANT, UH, RAMIFICATIONS.
ARE YOU ASSERTING THAT WHEN SOMEBODY PURCHASES A NEW PROPERTY IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THAT IF THE PREVIOUS PROPERTY OWNERS ENGAGED IN ANY UNAUTHORIZED WORK, UM, AFTER THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE OR WHATEVER THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE QUALIFICATIONS AROUND THAT MAY BE THAT THE NEW PROPERTY OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR BRINGING THAT INTO WITHIN THE GUIDELINES ONCE IT BECOMES PUBLICLY KNOWN? CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THAT'S BEEN YES.
THE WAY IT, THE POLICY, I MEAN, BECAUSE YES, COMMISSIONER'S POLICY YES.
UH, A VIOLATION ON THE PROPERTY GOES WITH THE PROPERTY, NOT WITH THE OWNER.
SO UNFORTUNATELY IT IS SAD THAT SOME PEOPLE PURCHASE A PROPERTY AND THEN FIND OUT THAT THEY HAVE A VIOLATION, BUT THAT IS HOW IT WOULD BE DONE.
AND THAT'S NOT JUST A STORY THAT'S, THAT'S ANY PROPERTY VIOLATION.
NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, BUT I I GENUINELY CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING MORE.
UM, WELL, NOT ANYTHING THAT'S A BIT EXTREME, BUT I I WOULD CONSIDER IT EXTREMELY HARMFUL TO THE PROGRAM AND THAT YOU ARE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO ENGAGE IN UNAUTHORIZED WORK.
'CAUSE WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD I EVER WANNA BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T SEE OR YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN, THAT TO ME IS SORT OF WHERE RIGHT OR WRONG.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S SORT OF WHERE THAT, THAT GOES.
AND I, I HEAR BOTH OF YOUR OPINIONS.
I THINK IT'D BE GOOD TO HEAR WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS TO SAY.
UM, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD CHANGE MY OPINION REGARDLESS OF IT BEING HARMFUL.
THIS IS ANOTHER CASE WHERE, UM, STAFF HAD TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE CRITERIA WITH THE FULL UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT WE BRING IT TO Y'ALL AND, AND Y'ALL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAYBE NOT FOLLOW THAT.
IF YOU FEEL THAT, IF YOU FEEL THAT THERE'S A REASON, UH, LET, LET'S DO HERE FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY, WE HAVE HAD THINGS LIKE THIS HAPPEN BEFORE, ESPECIALLY WITH PEOPLE WHO JUST BOUGHT A HOUSE AND THEN THEY'LL COME IN AND THEY HAD NO CLUE.
UM, BUT, BUT THAT WE HAVE HELD THEM RESPONSIBLE FOR BRINGING THEIR HOUSE.
YOU KNOW, IF THEY ASK US ABOUT SOMETHING, WE, WE THEN KNEW THAT THERE WAS A VIOLATION AT THEIR PROPERTY EVEN THOUGH THEY DIDN'T DO IT.
MADAM CHAIR, TO THE QUESTION OF WHEN A HOMEOWNER OR A POTENTIAL HOMEOWNER WHEN THEY PURCHASE A HOME OF THEIR PRE-EXISTING VIOLATIONS, UM, YOU SEE, WE CONCUR WITH MR. WATSON'S ANALYSIS THAT THAT WOULD RUN WITH THE PROPERTY RATHER THAN THE OWNER.
SO IT WOULD BE THE NEW OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO UNDO WORK THAT HAD BEEN DONE WITH THAT PROPER COMMISSION.
BUT IN THIS CASE, SHE'S NOT UNDOING IT.
SHE'S, BECAUSE IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD BE REPLACING A FENCE AND THEY CAME BACK TO US AND OKAY, I WANNA CHANGE A FENCE OUT FROM WROUGHT IRON OR CHAIN LINK TO WOOD FENCE, AND THEY ARE NOW TAKING DOWN THE FENCE AT ANYBODY, WHETHER IT'S IN THE RIGHT PLACE OR THE WRONG PLACE, WE'D STILL HAVE TO GO BY THE ORDINANCE.
WE JUST WANT TO, WE BROUGHT UP A QUESTION THAT IS OF IMPORTANT.
THIS PART THAT OF OUR GOT PENALIZED.
SHE DIDN'T GET, UH, A CITATION OR ANYTHING FOR THIS.
BUT WE KNOW THAT YOU DIDN'T DO THAT.
IT JUST BROUGHT IT UP AND WE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO, SO WE HAVE MOSTLY BEEN FOLLOWING THAT IDEA THAT YOU JUST STATED.
BUT NOW WE HAVE THIS ISSUE TO COME UP WITH.
UH, HANG ON, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAS NOT SPOKEN YET NEEDS TO ASK QUESTION? COMMISSIONER COX CHAIR ON YOUR MICROPHONE, PLEASE.
AFTER COMMISSIONER COX, COMMISSIONER, YOU KNOW, UM, IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, I KNOW AT LEAST I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, BUT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH YOUR CLOSING AND YOUR MORTGAGE PAPERS, YOU RECEIVE A COPY OF YOUR ORDINANCE AND I KNOW YES, THAT'S NOT, BUT WE HOPE YOU DO IT.
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APPARENTLY NOT ALWAYS NOTICED ANYMORE, BUT WE DO HOPE YOU DO.OF COURSE, THE ORDINANCE, UNLESS SOMEONE WHO JUST BOUGHT A NEW HOUSE SITS DOWN AND READS THE ORDINANCE WILL NOT HELP 'EM UNDERSTAND THAT ONE SMALL PART OF THEIR PROPERTY IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE.
I SUSPECT THAT WOULD, UH, GO RIGHT PATH.
A LOT OF PEOPLE, SO, WELL, YEAH, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE, IT WOULDN'T EVEN, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE HYPER NEIGHBORS.
I, I TOLD SOMEONE WHO PULLED UP AND LOOKED AT A HOUSE ABOUT REMODELING IT.
I RAN RIGHT OUT THERE AND SAID, OH, YOU KNOW,
UH, COMMISSIONER OFFIT, UH, YES.
AND IT'S REALLY THE ATTORNEY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD KNOW OR NOT, BUT IN THESE SITUATIONS WHERE SOMEBODY BUYS IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND THEN THEY'RE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR RIGHTING WRONG BY THE PREVIOUS ON OWNER, DOES THAT GO BACK TO THE TITLE POLICY OR TO THE REALTOR OR TO THEM? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT ARE THOSE FOLKS OPTIONS, IF YOU KNOW? DO YOU MEAN CAN THEY SEEK REDRESS? SAY THAT AGAIN? CAN THEY SEEK SOME SORT OF REDRESS UPON THE PREVIOUS HOMEOWNER OR THE TITLE COMPANY OR SOMETHING? YES.
OH, I, I CAN'T SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THAT, BUT I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY CAN FIND AN ATTORNEY WHO WILL FIND SOMEBODY TO HOLD RESPONSIBLE AND, AND THERE WOULD BE OTHER AVENUES FOR THEM TO, UH, ACHIEVE THAT.
IF THE ISSUE IS THE WROUGHT IRON FENCE ON THE SIDE, THERE'S TWO AVENUES TO, TO LOOK AT.
THAT FENCE COULD HAVE BEEN PUT IN PRIOR TO THE ORDINANCE AND THEN IT'S PREEXISTING AND IT'S GRANDFATHERED IN AND YOU CAN LEAVE IT THERE FOREVER AND EVER.
BUT ONCE YOU MOVE IT, YOU GOTTA GO WITH THE NEW RULES.
THE OTHER OPTION WAS THAT HE PASSED OWNER SINCE THE ORDINANCE WAS PASSED, PUT THAT IN WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THEN THAT FENCE IS NOT LEGAL AND COULD OR SHOULD BE REMOVED.
NOW THE LANDMARK COMMISSION HAS THE ABILITY TO LOCATE FENCES ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE, INCLUDING GATES.
THEY ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE WHAT WE CALL THE WIGGLE ROOM CLAUSE.
THE ORDINANCE IS DEFINITIVE THAT SAYS FENCES AND GATES WROUGHT IRON SHOULD BE STRAIGHT AND FLAT ACROSS.
BUT IF THE LANDMARK MISSION FINDS THAT IT DOES NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT AND THE HOUSE, THEN WE CAN APPROVE THE ARCHED FENCE.
BUT KEEP IN MIND THE, THE ARCH GATE THAT'S EXISTING HOWEVER WE GOT THERE, IS THERE.
BUT WHEN WE APPROVE A NEW ARCHED GATE, WE NEED TO SAY, ARE WE GOING WITH THE ORDINANCE? ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW WIGGLE ROOM CLAUSE? SO THAT IS SORT OF WHAT WE NEED TO DETERMINE.
WHO WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION? AND I APOLOGIZE TO OUR APPLICANT WHOM WE HAVE GOTTEN NERVOUS DURING THIS EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE THINGS THAT MIGHT HAPPEN TO A HOMEOWNER.
WE WERE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE KNEW WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
ANYONE HERE, ANYONE AT HOME? WILL IT HELP IF I PUT THE SITE PLAN BACK ON? SO YOU MIGHT AS WELL, SINCE YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING AND NEITHER ARE WE.
I HOPE WE LOOK AT IT WHILE WE WAIT FOR SOMEBODY.
JUST TO, COMMISSIONER FALLACY HAS STEPPED FORWARD.
IN REGARD TO DISCUSSION ITEM 4 59 26 REER AVENUE CA 2 4 5 1 15 CP, I MOVE TO APPROVE, UH, ITEMS ONE AND THREE FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
I MOVE THAT WE ALSO APPROVE, UH, THE REQUEST FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO WITH THE FINDING THAT IN THIS MATTER, UH, THE PROPOSED WORK, UM, DOES NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE STRUCTURE, ON THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT ON FUTURE PRESERVATION, UH, DOES NOT HARM THE PROGRAM.
AND AS WELL WITHIN OUR PURVIEW TO, UM, PROVIDE THAT VERY TECHNICAL
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WIGGLE ROOM CLAUSE THAT GETS UTILIZED FROM TIME TO TIME.THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION THEN WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE VOTE ON THIS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
TELL HER I WISHED HER WELL ON HER PROJECT
I WILL LET HER AND YOU WILL ASSIST HER FURTHER IN ANY WAY NEEDED.
OUR NEXT STEP MAY TAKE A WHILE.
I PROPOSE THAT WE ALL WHO HAVE TO STAY ON CAMERA OR SIT IN OUR SEATS ALL THE TIME.
IS IT THREE O'CLOCKS? YES IT IS.
UH, SO YOU GET SEVEN MINUTES TILL 3 0 7.
WHAT IS THE NEXT ONE? I DIDN'T WRITE DOWN THE ORDERS TODAY.
I'M NOT ON AGAIN UNTIL LAST IF I'M
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IT IS NOW 3 0 8 AND WE ARE BACK IN SESSION.
IT IS NOW TIME TO HEAR DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER SIX, IF STAFF WOULD READ THAT IN.
ITEM D SIX IS LOCATED AT 1001 NORTH CRAWFORD STREET IN THE LAKE CLIFF, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 45 DASH 0 9 4 MW.
PRESENTING REQUEST NUMBER ONE IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE 10 REAR DOORS, 10 PORCH OVERHANGS, AND 15 WINDOWS ON THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTH FAC SIDES OF THE BUILDING.
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TWO IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE AND RECONFIGURE STOOPS AND RAILINGS ON THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING.UNAUTHORIZED WORK STAFF STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS ON ITEM NUMBER ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE 10 REAR DOORS, 10 PORCH OVERHANGS, AND 15 WINDOWS ON THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTH FACADES OF THE BUILDING.
UNAUTHORIZED WORK BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, WITH FINDINGS OF FACT THAT THE DOOR AND WINDOW OPENINGS AND SOLID TO VOID RATIOS OF THE FACADES, PARTICULARLY AS SEEN FROM PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY WERE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF THE DISTRICT AND THAT THE PATCHWORK OF THE BRICK AND MORTAR IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING STRUCTURES AND IS UNSIGHTLY AND ADVERSELY AFFECTS THE APPEARANCE OF THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE.
THE UNAUTHORIZED WORK, THEREFORE, IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, HAS HAD AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, HAS ALTERED THE APPEARANCE AND CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT, PARTICULARLY AS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, AND THEREFORE DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARD IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FROM NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING A NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT WHICH RECOMMEND AGAINST REMOVING OR SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGING THOSE BUILDINGS AND LANDSCAPE FEATURES IN THE SETTING, WHICH ARE IMPORTANT TO IMPORTANT IN DEFINING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER SO THAT AS A RESULT, THE CHARACTER IS DIMINISHED.
ITEM NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE AND RECONFIGURE STOOPS AND RAILINGS ON THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING ON OUR UNAUTHORIZED WORK BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, WITH A FINDING EFFECT THAT THE STOOPS AND THEIR REPETITION AND SPACING PARTICULARLY IS SEEN FROM PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY WERE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES IN THE DISTRICT.
THE UNAUTHORIZED WORK, THEREFORE, IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, HAS HAD AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, HAS ALTERED THE APPEARANCE AND CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT, PARTICULARLY AS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, AND THEREFORE DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARD IN CITY CODE CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT, WHICH RECOMMEND AGAINST REMOVING OR SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGING THOSE BUILDINGS AND LANDSCAPE FEATURES IN THE SETTING, WHICH ARE IMPORTANT IN DEFINING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER SO THAT AS A RESULT, THE CHARACTER IS DIMINISHED.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, NO QUORUM COMMENTS, ONLY NOT SUPPORTIVE.
NEIGHBORS HAVE WORKED HARD TO MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD APPEAR SAFE, WELCOMING AND INVITING.
BRICK PATCHES DO NOT MATCH SEAMLESSLY WITH BRICK BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR NATURAL LIGHT AND COST VENTILATION, WHICH HAS BEEN REMOVED.
THE NUMBER OF OPENINGS IS LESS THAN THE STANDARD FOR BUILDINGS OF THE ARAB.
NUMBER TWO, NO QUORUM COMMENTS, ONLY NOT SUPPORTIVE NEIGHBORS HAVE WORKED HARD TO MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD APPEAR SAFE, WELCOMING, AND INVITING.
THIS DOES NOT, THIS DOES THE OPPOSITE.
NOW WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS REGISTERED, UM, JENNIFER DENT, SETH BAME, AND BARRETT LINDENBERG.
UH, I SEE BARRETT LINDBERGH, SETH BA I DO NOT YET SEE.
WELL, WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST IS ESSENTIALLY FOR ASKING.
BEGIN BY GIVING US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND THEN, UM, AFFIRMING OR SWEARING OR JUST SAYING THAT YOU WILL TELL THE TRUTH.
I LIVE AT 44 39 WESTWAY AND I WILL TELL THE TRUTH.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, I'LL BE, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO DISCUSS YOUR PROJECTS.
GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROJECT, ORIGINALLY WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT WORK BOTH FINANCIALLY AND MAKE IT WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS REQUIRED US TO CONVERT THE PROPERTY FROM AN 11 OBSOLETE TOWN HOME STYLE UNITS TO THE 20 SIGNIFICANTLY UPGRADED UNITS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TODAY.
WE WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH THE CITY PLANNING, ZONING, AND PERMITTING DEPARTMENTS TO SECURE THE APPROVAL TO INCREASE THE UNIT COUNT.
DURING THIS PROCESS, WE WERE INFORMED BY THE CITY THAT CRAWFORD STREET WAS THE DESIGNATED PRIMARY STREET FOR THIS PROPERTY.
WHILE FIFTH STREET IS A SECONDARY STREET, OUR APPROVED INTERIOR CONSTRUCTION PLANS, WHICH WERE SUBMITTED TO OUR CONTRACTOR, INCLUDED THE REMOVAL OF MINOR WINDOWS AND BACK DOORS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH FACADES OF THE BUILDING.
WHILE NOTHING WAS TO BE CHANGED TO THE PRIMARY FRONT FACING STREET, THESE PLANS WERE APPROVED BY THE PERMITTING DEPARTMENT.
WHEN WE CAME TO LANDMARK COMMISSION EARLIER THIS YEAR TO SEEK THE CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE EXTERIOR WORK, WE INADVERTENTLY OMITTED THE REMOVAL OF CERTAIN WINDOWS AND DOORS FROM THE APPLICATION.
THIS OVERSIGHT LED OUR GENERAL CONTRACTOR TO PROCEED WITH THE PLANS AS THEY WERE APPROVED ELSEWHERE.
WE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT REMOVING THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS WITHOUT LANDMARK APPROVAL WAS A MISTAKE.
HOWEVER, DUE TO THE NEW INTERIOR CONFIGURATIONS OF THE UNITS, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO INSTALL FUNCTIONAL DOORS OR WINDOWS IN THE LOCATIONS WHERE THEY WERE REMOVED.
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COMMISSION REQUIRE US TO PUT THE DOORS AND WINDOWS BACK, THEY WOULD ONLY BE REPLACED WITH NON-FUNCTIONING UNITS.IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE SOURCED THE ORIGINAL BRICK TO MATCH THE BUILDING, AND WHEN IT'S COMPLETE, IT WILL BE MADE TO LOOK ORIGINAL AGAIN.
THERE'S BEEN COMMENTS ABOUT BRICK NOT MATCHING, AND THAT IS JUST THAT IT, THE WORK WAS STOPPED.
MID-CONSTRUCTION AND THE BRICK WASH HAS NOT BEEN APPLIED, AND THE MORTAR THAT WAS SMEARED ALL OVER THE BRICKS HAS NOT BEEN CLEANED UP TO MATCH, UH, THE WAY IT WOULD WHEN IT'S COMPLETED.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS ARE PLANNED FOR THE PROPERTY TO IMPROVE THE OVERALL APPEARANCE OF THE PROPERTY.
NOW MY COLLEAGUE BARRETT WILL EXPLAIN WHY WE BELIEVE THESE CHANGES ARE BE THE BEST CHOICE FOR THE PROPERTY AND WHY THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE LAKE CLIFF HISTORIC OVERLAY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
UH, MR. LINDBERGH, UH, SAME WITH YOU.
WE NEED YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
BARRETT LINDBERGH 60 60 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, AND I WILL TELL THE TRUTH.
UH, OUR GOAL FOR 1,001 NORTH CRAWFORD IS TO CREATE A PROPERTY THAT ENHANCES THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ALIGNS WITH THE LAKE CLIFF HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, THE CHARACTER AND FOSTER'S COMMUNITY VIBRANCY.
TO ACHIEVE THIS, WE TOOK THE CITY OF DALLAS FEEDBACK OF PLANNING, ZONING, AND PERMITTING THAT CRAWFORD STREET IS THE PRIMARY STREET AND DESIGNED ALL THE ENTRANCES TO FACE THE EASTERN COURTYARD, WHICH OVERLOOKED CRAWFORD STREET AND LAKE CLIFF PARK.
WE BELIEVE THIS LAYOUT BEST SERVES THE GOAL OF MAKING THE, THE PROPERTY A VIBRANT PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ENCOURAGING OUR RESIDENTS INTERACTION WITH THE COMMUNITY.
AND SPECIFICALLY WITH LAKE CLIFF PARK, UH, WHAT THAT MEANS IS ALL THE ENTRANCES AND EXITS WILL BE INTO THAT CENTRAL COURTYARD AND INTO LAKE CLIFF PARK.
THIS APPROACH IS NOT UNPRECEDENTED.
UH, EVERY MAJOR PROPERTY THAT HAS AN INTERSECTION WITH EITHER FIFTH STREET OR, UH, OR CRAWFORD OR BLAYLOCK ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE PARK, UH, THAT WE'RE GONNA SHOW YOU TODAY, UH, THAT HAS AN INTERSECTION WITH ANOTHER STREET, UH, REALLY ONLY HAS ONE MAIN ENTRANCE, UM, AND, AND PORCH.
AND THOSE ARE FACING TOWARDS THE PARK.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT ONE 12 NORTH BECKLEY, UH, 2 0 2 EAST FIFTH STREET, 400 EAST FIFTH STREET, 500 EAST FIFTH STREET, SIX 30 BLAYLOCK, 700 BLAYLOCK 8 0 2 BLAYLOCK.
ALL OF THOSE BUILDINGS, UH, WHICH ARE IN THE HISTORIC OVERLAY, ARE SIMILAR TO OURS, UH, ARE THE WAY THAT WE PROPOSE TO LAY OUT OUR BUILDING, IN THAT THEY ONLY HAVE ONE MAJOR ENTRANCE OR ONE MAJOR PORCH.
AND THOSE ARE ALL FRONTING LAKE CLIFF PARK.
UM, THESE EXAMPLES DEMONSTRATE COMPATIBILITY WITHIN THE DISTRICT FOR BUILDINGS LIKE OURS.
UH, FURTHER 1,001 NORTH CRAWFORD IS EXPLICITLY NOTED AS NON-CONTRIBUTING FOR DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 51 A 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO.
SO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION MUST APPROVE THIS REQUESTED IMPROVEMENT FOR A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
SINCE THE PROPOSED WORK IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT, UM, YOU KNOW, REMOVING THINGS BECAUSE YOU THINK THAT THE, THOSE, UH, CONTRIBUTED TO THE DISTRICT DOESN'T, DOESN'T WORK HERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
SO YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR CAKE AND, AND EAT IT TOO.
SINCE THIS WAS NOT A HISTORIC STRUCTURE, IT'S NOT A PROTECTED FACADE.
SO WE ASK THAT YOU BASE YOUR DECISION HERE TODAY BASED ON COMPATIBILITY, THE GUIDING STANDARD FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
UH, BY APPROVING THIS WORK, YOU'LL SUPPORT A PROJECT THAT ALIGNS WITH THE DISTRICT'S CHARACTER AND ENHANCES ITS VIBRANCY.
AND IF I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN, OR WE SENT IN A-A-P-D-F EARLIER WITH PHOTOS OF THE ADDRESSES THAT I, THAT I TALKED ABOUT, I CAN GO AHEAD AND SHARE.
AND YOU CAN JUST RUN THROUGH THOSE.
UH, 8 0 2 BLAYLOCK IS ACROSS THE PARK FROM US AT, AT BLAYLOCK AND KAMAL.
SO THAT HAS A PORCH AND AN ENTRANCE FACING THE PARK.
UH, ONE 12 BECKLEY IS DIRECTLY BEHIND US.
IT HAS A PORCH AND AN ENTRANCE FACING BLAYLOCK AND NOTHING ON FIFTH STREET.
UH, 2 0 2 EAST FIFTH IS CADDY CORNER FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
IT HAS A PORCH AND AN ENTRANCE FACING THE PARK.
AND NOTHING ON THE SIDE STREET.
AND SO YOU HAVE THE REST OF THE PHOTOS THAT YOU CAN LOOK THROUGH, BUT THEY'RE ALL VERY SIMILAR.
THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOUR OBVIOUS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE DONE SOME EFFORTS TO BECOME FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF OUR TERMINOLOGY AND SOME OF THE STANDARDS BY WHICH WE JUDGE, BUT OF COURSE, WE'VE ALL DONE A LOT OF JUDGING AND, UH, YOU PROBABLY HEARD ABOUT THE WIGGLE ROOM CLAUSE IN OUR PAST.
WE, WE MAKE THE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF LATITUDE IN HOW WE DECIDE
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THINGS BECAUSE EVERY, EVERY ISSUE IS DIFFERENT.AND WE MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT DEFINITION OF WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAN SOME PEOPLE DO OR WHAT IMPROVES SOMETHING.
BUT WE WILL LOOK CAREFULLY AT ALL ASPECTS OF THIS.
IN WHICH CASE WE NEED YOU TO TURN YOUR CAMERA ON THIS DENT.
IF YOU THANK YOU, YOU MIGHT BE ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS THOUGH.
WE NEED YOU TO TURN ON YOUR CAMERA AND DO THE WHOLE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS THING.
WHAT QUESTIONS DO COMMISSIONERS HAVE FOR OUR SPEAKERS, COMMISSIONER PREZI? UM, WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO READ INTO THE RECORD THE, UM, EMAIL THAT WE RECEIVED FROM JENNIFER THORNTON REGARDING THIS CASE, UM, SO THAT IT IS ON RECORD.
PLEASE DISTRIBUTE THIS LETTER TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
ON MONDAY, DECEMBER 2ND, THE LANDMARK COMMISSION WILL HEAR A CASE FOR 1001 NORTH CRAWFORD STREET.
THE DEVELOPER HAS BRICKED, INDOORS AND WINDOWS, OR REMOVED STOOPS AND RAILINGS TO A MULTI-UNIT BUILDING.
THE DEVELOPER WAS ISSUED A STOP ORDER, THOUGH THEY CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE PROPERTY BASED ON HOW THEY BRICKED IN THE DOORS AND WINDOWS.
MY BEST GUESS IS THAT THEY PLAN ON PAINTING THE BRICK, WHICH IS NOT ALLOWED WITHIN THE LAKE CLIFF'S HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
THEY HAVE ALSO REQUESTED TO REMOVE THE STOOPS AND RAILINGS FROM THE STRUCTURE FURTHER DAMAGING IT.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS STRONGLY AGAINST ALLOWING THE DEVELOPER TO MAINTAIN THE BRICKED INDOORS AND WINDOWS WE'RE ASKING THE CITY TO REQUIRE THEM TO REPAIR AND REPLACE THE DOORS AND WINDOWS AND REPLACE THE ORIGINAL RAILINGS AND STOOPS.
THIS DEVELOPER, WHO IS WELL AWARE OF THE HISTORIC NATURE OF LAKE CLIFF AND HAS REQUESTED CAS IN THE PAST, THEY HAVE AN APPROVED CA FOR THE STRUCTURE, BUT IT DID NOT INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF DOORS, WINDOWS, STOOPS, AND RAILINGS.
CLEARLY, THEY KNEW REMOVING THESE ITEMS WOULD NOT BE APPROVED OR THEY WOULD'VE INCLUDED THE REQUEST IN THE ORIGINAL CA.
I BELIEVE THEY ACTED WITH THE MALICIOUS INTENT BY NOT INCLUDING THESE CHANGES WITHIN THE ORIGINAL CA I'VE INCLUDED PHOTOS OF THE DAMAGE.
WE ASKED THE LANDMARK COMMISSION TO DENY THEIR REQUEST TO KEEP THE BRICKTON DOORS, WINDOWS, AND FOR THE CITY TO REQUIRE THEM TO REPLACE ALL DOORS, WINDOWS, RAILINGS, AND STOOPS THAT WERE REMOVED.
AND THERE WAS TWO, UH, IMAGES INCLUDED WITH THE EMAIL.
THIS IS FROM JENNIFER THORNTON.
HE'S A RESIDENT OF LAKE CLIFF.
COMMISSIONER PREZI, I HAVE JUST BEEN INFORMED.
I WAS NOT AWARE THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON HAD TO REUSE ON THIS ONE, AND HE HAS NOT BEEN PRESENT FOR, FOR THIS DISCUSSION.
LET US CONTINUE WITH QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, UM, I HAVE NO QUESTION MADAM CHAIR, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT A HOUSE HOUSEKEEPING MATTER AND ASK THAT THE RECORDS SHOW THAT WHILE THE DOCKET IS WHAT MATTERS AND IS CORRECT, ACCORDING TO STAFF, THE AGENDA PROVIDED TO US IS INCORRECT.
AND AS CORRECT IT AS FOLLOWED, THE NAME OF THE APPLICANT IS NOT.
RICHARD ERS AT 1 21 NORTH WINTA IN DALLAS, SEVEN FIVE TWO OH EIGHT.
IT IS HOWEVER, JENNIFER DENT, WHO IS, UM, SHOWING AS THE SIGNED, UM, APPLICANT.
NOW, QUESTIONS WE HAD A LOT EARLIER, COMMISSIONER PRE SO I HAVE A, A QUESTION FOR, UH, MR. LINDBERG ON THE, UH, EXAMPLES THAT YOU SHOWED, IF THERE ARE, WERE SCROLLING THROUGH OF THE DIFFERENT, UH, DIFFERENT BUILDINGS AND HOUSES, ALL OF THOSE EXAMPLES THAT YOU SHOWED DID HAVE DOOR AND WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, SO WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW, YOU'RE REMOVING ALL OF THE WINDOW AND DOOR OPENINGS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
SO HOW DO THOSE TWO JIVE TOGETHER, UH, IN YOUR MIND WITH THAT? SURE.
AND WE'RE OPEN TO PUTTING WINDOWS ON ON THE, UH, AND I THINK THAT WE WERE PLANNING ON PUTTING WINDOWS ON THE, ON THOSE FACADES.
UM, WE JUST HAD TO MOVE THEM BECAUSE OF THE RECONFIGURATION OF THE UNITS.
CAN, CAN I ADD A COMMENT AS WELL? YES.
THERE, THERE'S THE WINDOWS THAT WERE ELIMINATED WERE, I GUESS, SMALL WINDOWS, SHORT, UH, KIND OF LIKE BATHROOM STYLE WINDOWS.
THERE'S, THERE WAS NO COMPLETE ELIMINATION OF WINDOWS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, IT WAS ONLY THE SMALL ONES.
THERE ARE STILL WINDOWS ON ALL SIDES OF THE BUILDING ON BOTH THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND I, AND I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN JUST REAL QUICK TO VER TO CLARIFY WHAT, UM, THERE, IT'S, I I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY CLARIFY THAT.
IN THESE PICTURES WHERE YOU SEE WOOD, PLYWOOD, UM, THOSE ARE WINDOWS THAT THEY JUST HAVE BOARDED UP FOR NOW UNTIL THEY'RE, THEY'RE FINISHED WITH CONSTRUCTION.
FOR SECURITY PURPOSES, THOSE WINDOWS WILL REMAIN.
AND THE BRICKED UP, YOU CAN SEE THE WHITE AROUND THE BRICK.
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THE STOP WORK ORDER THAT WAS ISSUED WAS MID CONSTRUCTION AND IT WAS NOT ALLOWED TO BE COMPLETED, UM, AS WELL.BUT THE BRICK WILL MATCH AND IT WILL BE ACID WASHED TO MATCH.
THERE WILL NOT BE ANY ON THE BRICK.
SO I, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION AS WELL.
I, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO SAID THIS, BUT, UH, THERE WAS A MENTION OF, UH, LANDSCAPING, UH, THAT IS GONNA GO ON THE SIDE.
SO HOW WILL THAT IMPACT, UH, THE VIEW OF THE SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE? THE VIEW OF THE VIEW OF THE SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE MEANING, CORRECT.
I'M, I'M, I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING TO IS WHAT KIND OF LANDSCAPE ARE YOU PUTTING THERE THAT WILL, I GUESS, HIDE THIS PORTION OF THE FIRST STORY? SURE.
I, I BELIEVE IN OUR INITIAL CA APPLICATION, THERE WERE LANDSCAPE PLANS.
UM, SO WE HAVE TWO PREVIOUSLY, UH, COMPLETED CA APPLICATIONS.
SO ONE OF THOSE HAD OUR LANDSCAPE AND WE'RE OPEN TO FEEDBACK TOO, IF, IF ADDITIONAL TREES OR SPECIFIC LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, WE WANNA MAKE IT REALLY LOOK GOOD AND FEEL LIKE IT'S PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF.
THIS IS PROBABLY A GOOD SLIDE.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE? I'M SORRY.
SO THE FRONT IS, UM, SO I'M TRYING TO GET A BEARING ON THIS.
HOW MUCH OF THIS WOULD BE SEEN FROM THE STREET OF WHERE THE ALTERATIONS WERE HAD OCCURRED? IS IT, SO IT'S MAINLY GOING TO BE FIFTH STREET.
UM, SO THIS THE RIGHT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN RIGHT NOW? MM-HMM.
SO FIFTH STREET HAS A FULL VIEW OF THAT SIDE, AND THEN DOWN THE BACK DRIVEWAY YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE, THE REAR OF THE BUILDING AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN.
UM, REALLY THE, THE, THE OTHER SIDE, THE LEFT OF YOUR SCREEN WOULD BE THE LEAST VISIBLE.
COULD YOU PUT, COULD YOU PUT ON THE, UM, AFTER DE UM, PHOTOGRAPH OF THE FIFTH STREET ELEVATION? UM, YES.
THAT IS THE, THAT THAT WAS IT.
IF YOU SCROLL, MARCUS, THAT'S IT.
AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THE RAILING, THE BUILDING IS SUNK DOWN THE, THE ROAD.
FIFTH STREET GOES UP AS IT GOES TO THE EAST, OR SORRY TO THE WEST, WHICH WOULD BE THE LEFT HERE.
SO THIS IS THE FIFTH STREET ELEVATION, WHICH IS ON A, ON A STREET FACADE.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE, FOR THE OWNERS.
UH, WERE YOU, WHICH OF YOU GENTLEMEN WOULD HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE CERTIFICATE OF APRO IS PROCESS IN THE PAST? BOTH OF US.
SO IF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PROCESS, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU DID ALL THIS WORK WITHOUT COMING TO SEE THE LANDMARK MISSION FIRST AND PUTTING US IN THIS PREDICAMENT? WE, WE DID, UH, SO WE WE'RE HERE I THINK WE CAME THREE TIMES FOR THIS BUILDING.
UH, WE ALSO INCLUDED A WINDOW AND DOOR SCHEDULE.
UM, THERE WERE EIGHT ITEMS, I THINK, UH, THAT WERE ON THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND WE MADE A MISTAKE AND DID NOT INCLUDE THIS.
SO YOU'RE AWARE THERE'S A PROCESS, BUT WHEN YOU DID A MAJOR CHANGE TO REMOVING ALL THE WINDOWS AND DOORS ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THREE SIDES, YOU JUST FORGOT.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD ANSWER.
WELL, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF, WELL, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, THAT'S THE ANSWER.
I, I I CAN SEE YOUR, IT IS THE ANSWER.
SO IT, JUST TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF OUR, OF THE SCOPE OF PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE 16 BUILDINGS THAT ARE UNDER RENOVATION.
UM, THREE OF THEM ARE HISTORIC AND 13 ARE NOT.
UM, WE'RE ALSO UNDER CONSTRUCTION ON SEVEN PROPERTIES, NEW CONSTRUCTION.
AND EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE SOMETHING FALLS THROUGH THE CRACKS.
AND I APOLOGIZE THAT THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
UM, QUESTION, UH, I, I WOULD, UH, WONDER, UM, GIVEN THAT YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY HIGHLY SKILLED PROFESSIONALS DEALING WITH A LOT OF COMPLEXITIES, YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE DO HAVE SOME EXPECTATIONS OF FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THE RULES AS THEY ARE, AND THAT SOMETIMES THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES FOR NOT, IF, IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG.
WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING THIS ABOUT A POOR WOMAN WHO BOUGHT A HOUSE WITH A DATE THAT WASN'T APPROVED.
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MEAN, YEAH.SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE STANDARDS AND YOU AS PROFESSIONALS ARE HELD TO STANDARDS.
TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT, WE HAVE OVER A HUNDRED EMPLOYEES THAT HELP US RUN THESE PROJECTS FROM CONSTRUCTION TO MANAGEMENT OPERATIONS.
SO IT, IT'S A VERY, UH, UNFORTUNATE OVERSIGHT THAT WE MADE.
BUT SOMETIMES WE CAN'T GET OUR HAND INTO EVERY LITTLE THING THAT GOES ON IN THESE PROJECTS.
I UNDERSTAND PROJECTS ARE BIG AND HERE A HUNDRED PEOPLE HERE, IT'S HARD TO KEEP AN EYE ON.
BUT JUST DO CONSIDER THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE STILL HAVE TO JUDGE ON WHAT IS AFFECTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
COMMISSIONER RENO, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? OH, YES.
UM, REGARDING, AND THEN COMMISSIONER OFFIT AFTER COMMISSIONER RENE.
REGARDING THE WEST ELEVATION, UM, THE, IT APPEARS THAT THERE ARE SOME PLATFORMS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, CONSTRUCTED TO RECEIVE, UH, UH, AIR CONDITIONING COMPRESSORS.
UM, IS THERE, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ELEVATIONS,
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE REALLY HAVE NOTHING TO JUDGE OTHER THAN THE PHOTOGRAPHS THEMSELVES OF THE INTENTION.
COMMISSIONER RENO, THE PLATFORMS WERE NOT PART OF THE EARLIER CAS, NOR ARE THEY A PART OF THIS CA SO, UM, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT PART OF THIS CASE AND THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR THAT APPROVAL.
SO WE'VE GOT A, A CART IN FRONT OF THE HORSE AGAIN.
WELL, THE QUESTION IS, CAN YOU SEE ANY OF THOSE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY? BECAUSE THIS IS TAKEN, THIS PICTURE'S TAKEN FROM PRIVATE PROPERTY.
UM, FOR THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON THE ROOF, UH, WE, WE GET TO SEE THE PROJECTED LOOK OF IT SO THAT WE CAN DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S ABLE TO PRODUCE AN ADVERSE EFFECT.
YOU ARE ALWAYS SAFEST TO COME FIRST AND GET A CA BEFORE YOU SPEND ANY MONEY BUILDING ANYTHING.
NOW COMMISSIONER OFFIT HAS A QUESTION.
AND, UH, PART OF IT WAS THE ROOF AND I GOT PART OF THAT QUESTION ANSWERED.
BUT, UM, THEN THE OTHER PART, IT IS NOT JUST THE ROOF, BUT ALSO WHAT GOES ON TOP OF THAT ROOF.
SO IF THAT'S EQUIPMENT, UM, THAT ALSO HAS TO COMPLY WITH BEING SEEN FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, MY REAL QUESTION THAT I HAVE LEFT OVER, I THINK I HEARD THE APPLICANT OR THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE SAY THAT THEY COULD ACTUALLY PUT THE DOORS AND WINDOW BACK AND KEEP THEIR INTERIORS AS THEY PLANNED IN ORDER TO MAXIMIZE THEIR BENEFIT.
IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS SAID THAT IN OUR BRIEFING THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE, I THINK THE, I SAID IT TOO, APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE SAID THAT THEY WOULD BE NONFUNCTIONING, BUT THEY WOULD BE THERE.
BECAUSE WE DO NOT REQUIRE THE DOORS TO BE FUNCTIONING.
WE JUST REQUIRE THEM TO LOOK LIKE THEY LOOK.
WE DON'T DO INSIDES, WE DO OUTSIDE.
SO WE HAVE A, SOMETIMES WHEN SOMEONE WANTED TO CLOSE UP AN OPENING THAT IT DID NOT FEEL IT APPROPRIATE TO CLOSE UP, I TOLD 'EM TO JUST CLOSE IT UP ON THE INSIDE AND LEAVE THE OUTSIDE.
OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M, I'M SORRY.
UM, I DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION THAT YOU MEAN ARE, WOULD THEY BE WILLING TO, ARE THEY STILL INTERESTED IN DOING THAT OR, I THINK THEY SAID THEY COULD PUT THE WINDOWS AND DOORS BACK AND THEY WOULD BE NON-FUNCTIONAL AND THEN MAINTAIN THEIR INTERIOR.
IS THAT NOT CORRECT? YOU ARE CORRECT.
WE, WE CAN PUT THEM BACK IF THAT IS THE ULTIMATE OUTCOME.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THAT HERE.
WE WANNA FOCUS OUR ENERGY ON THE FRONT FACADE BUILDING AND PUT OUR ENERGY TOWARDS THE PARK.
SO I'M, I'M TO UNDERSTAND THE DOORS, THE STOOPS, THEY'VE, AND THE WINDOWS, THEY'RE ALL SALVAGED AND THEY'RE BEING STORED.
AND THESE WILL GO BACK, UH, AS UH, WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED? NO, SIR.
SO WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU COULD PUT THEM BACK, WOULD THAT BE THE SALVAGED ONES THAT WERE REPLACED? ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? NO, WE WOULD PUT BACK WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DOORS AND WINDOWS.
'CAUSE THERE ARE EXISTING DOORS AND WINDOWS APPROVED BY THE CA THE, THE WINDOWS WERE THEY, THEY ALREADY HAD APPROVAL, UH, FOR WINDOW REPLACEMENT.
SO IT WOULD JUST, THEY WOULD, ALL, ALL OF THESE
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WINDOWS YOU SEE IN THE PICTURE ARE NEW, SO IT WOULD HAVE TO MATCH THOSE.AND THOSE, THOSE HAVEN'T BEEN DISCARDED.
THESE, THESE ARE ALL NEW HERE.
YOU, YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED FOR THEM TO REPLACE THOSE WINDOWS.
THEY JUST TOOK THEM OUT INSTEAD AND DIDN'T, DIDN'T PUT IN NEW ONES.
I'M JUST WAS TRYING TO CIRCUMVENT THE, HAVING A, ANOTHER NEW ONE THAT WOULD GO IN, UH, THAT WASN'T LOOKED AT OR REVIEWED.
IT'S, IT'S BEEN APPROVED FOR WINDOWS TO BE RE REPLACED.
UM, SO YOU'VE, YOU'VE ALREADY REVIEWED AND APPROVED THE WINDOWS.
IT'S JUST THAT WHEN THE WORK WAS DONE, THEY DIDN'T JUST REPLACE IT, THEY BRICKED IT IN, BUT YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE WINDOW UNITS THAT WOULD GO THERE.
NEITHER ARE THERE, IS THERE ANYONE WHO HAS NOT ASKED THE QUESTION YET? 'CAUSE I THINK MR. ANDERSON ALREADY HAS MR. SHERMAN, UM, MR. WATSON, ARE YOU SAYING THAT NOT ONLY THOSE WINDOWS THAT WERE REMOVED HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR REPLACEMENT, BUT ALSO THE DOORS THAT WERE REMOVED WERE APPROVED FOR REPLACEMENT? NO.
AND I, AND AS I REMEMBER, AND I, I MAY NEED SOME, UM, I MAYBE IF JENNIFER D CAN CAN REMIND ME, I BELIEVE IT WAS LEFT THAT THE DOORS WERE GOING TO STAY, THAT THE EXISTING, UM, BACK DOORS WITH THE WINDOWS, THEY WEREN'T GOING TO CHANGE.
THEY WERE ONLY GONNA CHANGE THE FRONT DOORS ON THE COURTYARD.
MARCUS, COULD WE LOOK AT THE PRIOR APPROVED APPLICATION SO WE CAN COMPARE THE DRAWING THAT WAS APPROVED? LET'S SEE.
WHAT, WHAT MONTH WAS THAT? IT WAS IN JANUARY.
IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S BEEN THAT LONG SINCE WE LOOKED AT THIS ONE.
UM, ACTUALLY, LET'S SEE, WAS IT JANUARY? I DON'T, IT REALLY SEEMS MORE RECENTLY THAT WE'D HAVE SEEN THIS ONE.
SO THIS IS THE ORIGINAL CA THE DOOR, THIS WAS, IF YOU REMEMBER CORRECTLY THOUGH, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR VINYL WINDOWS AND THEY, THE CONDITION WAS THAT THEY'D BE WOOD, BUT OTHERWISE, UH, THEY WERE ONE OVER ONE AND THERE HAD TO BE WOOD.
UM, THE, THE BACK DOORS, LET'S SEE.
SO THEY WERE, THE BACK DOOR WAS APPROVED TO BE REMAINING THE EXISTING DOORS, THOSE DOORS TO STAY.
IS THAT YOU MS. STENT? OUR ATTORNEY WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO THE WHOLE SWEARING IN THING US YOUR NAME, ADDRESS AND PROMISE.
I LIVE AT 89 7 18 ROLLING ROCK LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS.
UM, AND I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF OUR CITY ATTORNEY.
UM, SO THE MARCH 4TH APPROVAL, UM, WAS TO KEEP THE, WE HAD GONE IN WITH A FULL LIGHT DOOR THAT WAS REJECTED.
SO THE NEXT APPROVAL WE WENT IN WITH KEEPING THOSE EXISTING DOORS.
SO THE, THESE WERE THE DOORS THAT WERE THERE AND THEY WERE TO STAY.
BUT ALL THE WINDOWS WERE NON HISTORIC TO BEGIN WITH.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS APPROVED TO BE FOR ALL OF THOSE TO BE REPLACED, BUT WITH WOOD.
UH, WE SETTLED THIS ISSUE OR WAS THERE FURTHER CONFUSION? WELL, I GUESS I'VE GOT A QUESTION BASED ON THIS EVIDENCE.
SO THE PLAN WHEN THEY CAME TO US LAST TIME WAS TO KEEP ALL THE WINDOWS AND DOORS AND THEN SINCE THEN THE PLAN WAS CHANGED TO REMOVE THOSE DOORS
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AND WINDOWS.SO THE CONFUSION WAS OUR GENERAL CONTRACTOR WAS GIVEN PLANS, NOT THESE PLANS, BUT THE PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED BY PERMITTING PERMIT AND THE PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED BY PERMITTING WERE DIFFERENT THAN ME.
SO THEN PERMITTING DID NOT FOLLOW STAFF PRESERVATION STAFF'S APPROVAL THEN? CORRECT.
PER, BECAUSE PERMITTING APPROVED THE PLANS BEFORE LANDMARK BECAUSE THEY MOVED A LOT FASTER.
THIS IS NOT HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK.
I THINK THIS, THIS SEEMS EITHER EXTREMELY TROUBLING ABOUT CITY PROCESSES OR PERHAPS WE'RE MISUNDERSTANDING.
WELL, I THINK THAT THE PERMITTING WAS IN RELATION TO THE INTERIOR ONLY, NOT
SO THAT'S WHY IT DIDN'T TRIGGER A CA REVIEW.
THAT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.
ARE YOU FINISHED MR. POSI? WELL, GO AHEAD.
I'LL LET, AND I DON'T THINK COMMISSIONER SHERMAN WAS, OH, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE CITY OF DALLAS ON ONLINE, ONLINE RECORDS, LOOKING AT THE VARIOUS ONES, TRYING TO SEE WHAT THE DATES ARE AND DO ANY OF THEM WELL THAT IS SOMETHING STAFF REALLY OUGHT TO BE DOING.
AND ENLIGHTENING US ABOUT, WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY AND LOTS OF STAFF MEMBERS.
DID YOU RECOMMEND THAT THEY LOOK IT UP AND ENLIGHTEN US AS TO WHAT THE COURSE OF IT MIGHT BE? HELPFUL ACTIONS THEN.
I THINK, UM, IS, IS ADRIAN THERE? ADRIAN IS STILL HERE US UM, SHE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ENLIGHTEN US AND PROBABLY FIND THAT QUICKER THAN I WOULD.
I KIND OF SPOKE TO THAT IN THE BRIEFING.
THEY DID GET SOME INTERIOR PERMITS FOR INTERIOR ONLY, UH, WHICH WOULD NOT NORMALLY TRIGGER.
BUT I HAVE SEEN THIS HAPPENING IN A COUPLE OF, UH, I THINK I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF THEM IN WINNETKA AS WELL, WHERE THERE WERE INTERIOR ONLY, WHERE THEY CHANGED THE FLOOR PLAN.
AND IT DOESN'T MENTION TO TAKE THE EXTERIOR DOOR OUT, BUT IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN STILL, UH, GO TO PERMITTING TO SEE IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SHOWN THAT IT AFFECTED THE EXTERIOR.
AND IN SOME CASES THEY WILL, UH, THEY, THEY WILL TAKE AWAY THAT PERMIT.
SO IT, IT DOES SEEM THAT, UM, STAFF AND WHAT WHOEVER, WHATEVER STAFF MEMBER NEEDS TO DO IT DOES NEED TO LOOK IN AND HOW THIS COULD HAPPEN AND GO SO WRONG CONCERNING OUR PRESERVATION ACTIVITIES BECAUSE WE WANT PERMITTING TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF THOSE ACTIVITIES.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT BUILDING INSPECTION IS NOT AT FAULT.
YOU GUYS KNOW THAT THERE'S RULES AND REGULATIONS AND THEY WEREN'T FOLLOWED.
IF YOU WENT TO GET AN INTERIOR PERMIT, WHICH I SOUNDS LIKE YOU DID, THEN THEY COULD GIVE YOU THE INTERIOR PERMIT.
IF IT CHANGES THE EXTERIOR, YOU HAVE COME BACK TO US.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE, THAT'S WHERE THE BOTTOM LINE IS.
WELL, IT SEEMS THAT THERE WAS A CONSCIOUS DECISION BETWEEN THAT APPROVAL AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY TO REMOVE THOSE WINDOWS AND DOORS KNOWING THAT WOULD AFFECT THE EXTERIOR AND THAT DID NOT GET FILED FOR, FOR NEW CA SO THERE MAY HAVE BEEN MISTAKES FROM SEVERAL DIRECTIONS AND ON SEVERAL LEVELS EXTREMELY CONCERNING TO ALL OF US.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN IDEA WHERE WE GO FROM HERE? WELL, I HAVE, I HAVE HALF AN IDEA.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE THAT WE ALSO HAVE HVAC ON THE ROOF THAT WAS NOT THERE.
UH, THE HVAC IS NOT YET ON THE ROOF, JUST SOME PLATFORMS AND WE HAVE ALREADY INSTRUCTED THE APPLICANTS.
IT IS NOT ONLY LEGALLY REQUIRED, BUT IN THEIR BEST INTEREST TO NOT PROCEED WITH THAT.
WITH WITHOUT COMING TO US FIRST.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE NOBODY FORGOT ABOUT THAT.
NO, NO, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S FORGETTING ABOUT THAT.
SO WHAT DO WE DO NOW? DOES SOMEONE HAVE A MOTION ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD DO ABOUT THIS UNFORTUNATE SITUATION THAT HAS OCCURRED? REMEMBERING THAT WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS PRESERVE THE INTENT OF THE HISTORICAL OVERLAY AND THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
WELL, AND IT, WE'VE NOT DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING ABOUT COMPATIBILITY HERE, WHICH SHOULD BE THE GUIDING DECISION FACTOR.
WE ARE AWARE, YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
THAT THIS IS THE NON-CONFORMING BUILDING, THEREFORE COMPATIBILITY IS THE ISSUE.
AND SO IN CONSIDERING A MOTION TO MAKE, YOU SHOULD CONSIDER COMPATIBILITY.
ARE YOU PREPARED COMMISSIONER SHERMAN OR IS YOUR LIGHT JUST ON? I'LL THROW IT OUT THERE.
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TO, UM, IN THE MATTER OF CA 2 45 DASH 0 9 4 MW, THAT BEING 1001 NORTH CRAWFORD STREET, I MOVE THAT THIS COMMISSION FOLLOWS STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON ITEMS ONE ENTRY FOR DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.WHO WAS THE SECOND? WAS THAT COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON? OH, LIVINGSTON.
UM, FOR THE REASONS STATED, EXCUSE ME FOR THE REASON STATED IN THE ANALYSIS AND IN THE RECOMMENDATION.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AMONG COMMISSIONERS? I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING.
I THINK COMPATIBILITY IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE HERE, BUT WHEN I SEE THOSE ELEVATIONS, WHICH ARE BASICALLY ALTERED SIGNIFICANTLY FROM WHAT IS TYPICAL TO THIS DISTRICT, IT'S VERY FAIR TO SAY THAT WHAT WAS CHANGED ON THIS BUILDING IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT.
IT IS A, IS A CHANGE FROM WHAT WOULD YOU SEE IN THE NORM OF ANY OF THE BUILDINGS IN THE DISTRICT.
SO THE COMPATIBILITY ISSUE IS PART OF THIS RECOMMENDATION.
I WANNA BE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT AS SECONDING THIS MOTION.
I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT WAS CH THESE CHANGES TO THE BUILDING MAKE IT NOT INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT.
AND WE DO HAVE OUR PREFERENCE THAT NON-CONFORMING BUILDINGS NOT BECOME MORE NON-CONFORMING.
SO THAT'S SOMETIMES WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IN A CASE LIKE THIS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS THEN? LET US VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? ALL RIGHT.
WILL AS USUAL INFORM THE APPLICANTS THAT SINCE I DO NOT SEEM TO BE HERE ANYMORE, THAT THEY HAVE THE OPTION FOR A FEE OF APPEALING TO CPC, WHICH WILL THEN RULE SOLELY ON WHETHER WE RULED IN ERROR AFTER REVIEWING WHAT HAPPENED HERE.
AND UM, IT WOULD BE BETTER IF THEY WOULD MAINTAIN THEIR FRIENDLY WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH US AND COME BACK WITH ANY REQUESTS THEY HAVE, INCLUDING FUTURE HVAC, WHICH THEY OBVIOUSLY ARE PLANNING.
WE'RE TRYING TO HELP IN OUR OWN SOMETIMES PRICKLY WAY.
NEXT ITEM D SEVEN IS LOCATED AT 46 31 JUNIOR STREET IN THE PEAK SUBURBAN AND SOMEONE NOTIFIED.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, I WAS JUST MAKING SURE THAT TRA WELL I MEAN COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON HAS BEEN NOTIFIED.
OH, I CAN WAIT 'CAUSE IT WAS SO LONG.
COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON, ARE YOU BACK? OKAY, ITEM D SEVEN IS LOCATED AT 46 31 JUNIOR STREET IN THE PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS IS CA 2 45 DASH NINE TWO MW.
AND I'M MARCUS WATSON PRESENTING THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY MAIN STRUCTURE AND A TWO STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY MAIN STRUCTURE AND A TWO STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 26 24 AND 10 28 24 WITH CONDITION WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT ONE THE FRONT YARD SETBACK BE EQUAL TO THE AVERAGE SETBACK OF THE OTHER MAIN STRUCTURES ON THE BLOCK FACE.
TWO, THAT ALL WINDOWS AND DOORS BE ALL WOOD WITH NO CLADDING IN MU AND MUS EXPRESSED ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE GLASS.
AND THREE, THAT THE FOUNDATION HEIGHT BE AT LEAST 18 INCHES FROM FINISHED GRADE.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTIONS 2.1, 2.3, 3.7, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3 4.4, 4.5, 4.6, AND 4.8 PERTAINING TO NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THE STR THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
AND THIS TASK FORCE WAS VERY ACTIVE.
THERE'S A LOT OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
CENTER WINDOW AND FRONT DOOR NEED TO BE CENTERED WITHIN THE FRONT ELEVATION.
THE COLUMN SHOULD BE SPACED EVENLY ACROSS THIS PORCH.
THE BRICK BASE COLUMN SHOULD BE, UH, SCALED BACK TO BETWEEN 18 TO 24 INCHES.
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CENTERED ON THE BRICK COLUMNS.CAST STONES SHOULD BE AT LEAST ONE IN ONE HALF INCHES THICK BRICK COLUMN AND RAILINGS NEED TO BE AT LEAST SIX INCHES TALLER.
RAILINGS SHOULD BE CENTERED WITH THE COLUMNS FRONT PORCH FLOOR MUST BE TONGUE AND GROOVE, NOT DECKING.
BUNCH PORCH, UH, MUST COME OFF OF THE PORCH, NOT INSET INTO THE PORCH WITH WING WALLS ALONG THE STAIRS.
FOUNDATION MUST BE A MINIMUM OF 18 INCHES ABOVE FINISHED GRADE.
CHIMNEY MUST BE AT LEAST SIX INCHES FROM EDGE OF THE ROOF AT SLOPE SOUTHWEST ELEVATION, REMOVE BRICK PORCH WALL AND REPLACE WITH ONE 17.
SIDING WITH TWO BY SIX INCHES.
DOUBLE GANG BOTH WINDOWS AND CENTER WITH THE STRUCTURE.
ALL WINDOWS MUST BE WOOD ON WOOD CUSTOM WITH NO CLADDING.
WINDOWS MUST HAVE MOENS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE GLASS AND THIS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDS ADDING COLOR TO THE WINDOW.
WE DO HAVE TWO REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
I DO NOT KNOW WHO WISHES TO GO FIRST.
UH, ALRIGHT SIR, YOU NEED TO BEGIN BY GIVING US YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
UH, SHAR CAYMAN, 2 1 6 0 NORTH CENTRAL ROAD.
UH, YES, I WILL TELL THE TRUTH.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO PRESENT ANY FURTHER INFORMATION ON THIS PROJECT COURSE.
SO, UH, I THINK, UH, WE PICKED UP MOST OF THE COMMENTS, UH, IF NOT ALL FROM THE TASK FORCE, UH, COMMENTS.
AND, UH, THE, UH, WE ALSO PICKED UP THE OTHER COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM OUR PREVIOUS MEETING.
UH, I THINK THERE ARE SOME MINOR COMMENTS FROM THIS MORNING, UH, UM, THAT WE ARE, UH, WILLING TO PICK UP THOSE COMMENTS AS WELL.
AND, UH, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTION YOU MIGHT HAVE.
HI MOTO, 1 0 2 3 3 EAST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY IN DALLAS.
UM, AND JUST TO, UH, EXPAND THE COMMENTS THIS MORNING, WERE ABOUT THE WING WALLS AND UM, THOSE WERE INCLUDED IN THE RENDERINGS.
UM, BUT THE, UH, MATERIALS, WE CAN, UH, REVISE THAT TO BE BRICK WITH THE CASTSTONE CAP.
ALRIGHT THEN IT IS TIME FOR, UH, COMMISSIONERS TO ASK ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS THEY HAVE.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR ADHERING TO THE TASK FORCE CONCERNS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE ONE THING I DID NOTE THAT THEY MADE, UM, MENTION OF WAS THAT THE, THE WINDOW SASHES, THE MOVABLE WINDOWS, UH, COULD BE ANOTHER COLOR.
THE, THE ONLY THING I SEE THAT'S MAYBE A NEGATIVE IS THE BUILDING IS VERY LIGHT AND WASHED OUT.
IF THE WINDOW MULIAN WERE A DIFFERENT COLOR, A DARKER COLOR, A CONTRASTING COLOR, I THINK THE, THE BUILDING WOULD BE A LOT MORE VISUALLY PLEASING.
WE HAVE NO ISSUE ADJUSTING THAT.
UH, UM, WE CAN ADD AS A CONDITION IF NEEDED.
UH, OTHERWISE WE CAN PICK SOME GRAY COLORS.
LIGHT GRAY COLORS FOR THE WINDOWS DASH.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE FINE IF YOU, IF YOU COULD SUBMIT THAT TO STAFF.
IF THIS GETS APPROVED, THAT WOULD BE FINE WITH ME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, ALL OUR QUESTIONS, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION IF THIS'S APPROPRIATE.
OH, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN HAS, WELL COMMISSIONER SHERMAN HAS TURNED YOUR LIGHT OFF.
ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
AND IF YOU REMEMBER, IT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER ON YOU IF YOU AGREE WITH THE STATUS CONDITIONS THAN JUST SAY THAT OR ALTER OR SPECIFY NEW ONES.
WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO IN THE CASE OF CA 2 45 DASH 0 9 2 MW 46 31 JUNIOR STREET APPROVAL.
FOLLOWING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR ADDITIONAL APPROVAL THAT THE CHIEF WALLS AT THE SPY BRICK TO MATCH THE BRICK COLUMN BASES AND THE WINDOWS SASHES BE A LIGHT TO MEDIUM GRAY.
SECOND WITH THE FI WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE TASK THAT ALL THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS ALSO WERE FULFILLED.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND MR. VAI.
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SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? COMMISSIONER SHERMAN? I WOULD OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT UM, THE COLOR FOR THE SASHES BE, UM, APPROVED BY STAFF AND ITS STAFF.THE APPLICANT AGREES TO PROVIDE STAFF WITH UM, A PAINT CHIP SO THAT STAFF CAN REVIEW ALRIGHT.
TO THE MAKER AND SECOND, AGREE WITH THIS? CERTAINLY.
ALRIGHT, THEN I'LL JUST SAY THAT COMMISSIONER PRESI AGREES 'CAUSE HE'S NOT MAKING ANY FACES, SO HE MUST BE HAPPY ABOUT THIS.
ALRIGHT THEN LET US CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THIS APPEARS TO HAVE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
GOOD LUCK WITH THE UH, HOUSE AND I HOPE YOU WILL ENJOY IT.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK THE APPLICANT.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A BEAUTIFUL ADDITION TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALRIGHT, NEXT UP WE HAVE DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER THREE FOR WHICH I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY SPEAKERS.
OH, THERE, THERE IS A SPEAKER ALSO UNDER CONSENT FOR SOME
YES, JACOB WILSON IS SIGNED UP UNDER C3.
THAT SEEMS TO HAVE HAPPENED A LOT.
ALL RIGHT, WELL I WAS WRONG THEN.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 3 7 14 GLENDALE STREET, JUNIORS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 4 5 1 1 3 CP THE REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE PAINT COLORS OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE BODY BEING SW 7 7 3 0 FOREST WOOD TRIM BEAN SW 28 29 CLASSICAL WHITE ACCENT BEING W 7 7 2 8 GREEN SPROUT AND SW 7 6 7 5 SEAL SKIN STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APP APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE PAINT COLORS OF MAIN STRUCTURE BODY SEVEN.
THE BODY SW 7 7 3 FORCE WOOD TRIM W2 8 2 9, CLASSICAL WHITE ACCENT W 7 7 2 8 GREEN SPROUT AND SW 6 7 5 7 6 7 5 SEAL SKIN BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 12 2 20 24.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION SECTIONS 4.8 AND 4.9.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SEC SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE PAINT COLORS OF MAIN STRUCTURE BODY SW 7 73 0 FOREST WOOD TRIM SW TWO A TWO NINE CLASSICAL WHITE ACCENTS W 7 7 2 8 GREEN SPROUTS W 6 108 LEATHER BOUNDS W 7 6 7 5 SEAL SKIN BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.
ONE FOR SECTION 4.9 ONLY FOUR COLORS ARE ALLOWED.
TWO MORE DETAILED DESCRIPTION NEEDED.
DENY PAINTING BRICK MASONRY AND FRONT PORCH.
A FLOOR CLASSICAL WHITE, OR SECTION 7.4 UNPAINTED PORCH FLOOR SHOULD NOT BE PAINTED.
RECOMMEND REMOVING DECORATIVE SHUTTERS.
AND WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER PRESENT.
UM, AND WE CAN SEE YOU ONLINE, YOU NEED TO BEGIN BY GIVING US YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND PROMISING TO TELL THE TRUTH.
JACOB WILSON ADDRESS IS 7 1 4 GLENDALE STREET AND I WILL TELL THE TRUTH.
ALRIGHT SIR, YOU HAVE, UH, THREE MINUTES TO, UH, UH, ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT OR TELL US MORE ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
UM, SO THIS PROJECT JUST QUICKLY CAME ABOUT, UH, AS WE'RE REPAIRING A, A GOOD PORTION OF WOOD SIDING THROUGH THE WOOD ROT AND DAMAGE.
UM, SO AS PART OF THAT, MY WIFE AND I DECIDED THAT WE WANTED A FRESH LOOK FOR THE HOUSE.
UH, WE SELECTED A, UM, WHAT WE BELIEVE AN APPROPRIATE PAINT SCHEME.
WHAT WE DID NOT REALIZE IS THAT WE SELECTED FIVE COLORS, WHICH, UH, MATCH WHAT WE HAVE ON THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF COLORS, BUT ARE NOT, UH, ACCEPTABLE AS FAR AS THE GUIDELINES.
WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED, UM, ADDITIONAL DETAIL AS TO WHERE THE COLORS WILL GO ON THE HOUSE.
UM, SO I, I THINK THAT ALL OF THOSE COMMENTARY WE'VE NOW MET.
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UH, SO PRIMARILY I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, WHAT REMAINS ALL.COMMISSIONER RENO HAS A QUESTION.
THE FIRST ONE WAS, UM, IS THE APPLICANT AMENABLE TO, BECAUSE THEY ARE PART OF THE, OF, OF A NEW PAINT SCHEME, UM, BUT, UH, DO NOT, UM, ARE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THE TWO SHUTTERS THAT ARE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE TRIPLE GANGED WINDOW ON THE FRONT, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO REMOVING THOSE AND PAINTING THOSE? THE BODY OF THE OR PAINTING WHERE THEY WERE? THE THE BODY COLOR? SECOND QUESTION IS, UM, FOR REPAINTING THE BRICK, I REALIZE THAT THAT WILL NOW BE A FIFTH COLOR BECAUSE THE OTHERS ARE ALL BASICALLY WOOD SURFACES.
AND THE WOOD, OR RATHER THE BRICK WAS, WAS PAINTED, UM, SOMETIME LONG AGO THAT THAT WOULD IN FACT CREATE A, A FIFTH COLOR.
NO, AND I BELIEVE YOU HAD A IT'S NOT, IT'S IT'S GONNA BE THE EXACT SAME COLOR.
IT'S THE SAME COLOR AS IT TRIM.
SO IT COUNTS AS, BUT I, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND.
YEAH, BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS ALSO AN ALTERNATE 'CAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE COLOR.
WELL, IT WAS AN ALTERNATE BECAUSE TASK FORCE, UM, FELT THAT THE CLASSICAL WHITE WAS TOO MUCH OF A CONTRAST.
SO WE DO HAVE A BACKUP, BUT THIS WAS THE, THE, THE ONE WITH THE WHITE BRICK OR CLASSICAL WHITE IS THEIR PREFERRED.
BECAUSE THE COMPAT, THE ISSUE WITH COMPATIBILITY IS THE BRICK WOULD'VE BEEN A BRICK COLOR.
SO TO PAINT IT NOW, YOU KNOW, AND SOMETHING ELSE THAT LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT FROM ANY NATURAL BRICK COLOR, UH, WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE.
UM, CAN WE LOOK AT THE ALTERNATIVE ALTERNATE? YES.
YEAH, BECAUSE I TOLD THEM THERE MIGHT BE PROBLEMS. SO IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A BACKUP SO THEY CAN HAVE AN APPROVAL TODAY.
SO THIS IS THE BACKUP WITH THE, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT ON HERE, MAYBE ON YOUR COMPUTER SCREENS.
IT'S THE BROWN, UH, BROWN COLOR THAT'S USED AROUND THE WINDOW.
SO THAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE, THE BACKUP ONE.
BUT THEY PREFER THE LIGHT AL WHITE.
UH, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER RENO THAT THE, THAT IT SHOULD BE THE DARKER COLOR.
I THINK THAT THAT, UM, GROUNDS THE PORCH WHERE THE, THE LIGHTER COLOR, UH, IT'S TOO LIGHT AND I THINK IT ALSO WILL HAVE A PROBLEM, UM, WITH KEEPING IT CLEAN, UH, WITH THE, UM, PLANTING BED THERE AND WATER AND DIRT SPLASHING ON IT AND EVERYTHING.
SO I THINK THE, THE BROWN IS DEFINITELY A MUCH BETTER COLOR FOR, UH, FOR THE BASE OF THE PORCH.
IT'S CERTAINLY BETTER FOR DIRT, ISN'T IT?
UM, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, YOU HAVEN'T SPOKEN YET, HAVE YOU? NO, I DIDN'T THINK SO.
AND UM, MR. WILSON, WE WERE ADVISED DURING THE BRIEFING THAT YOU WERE AMENABLE TO REMOVING THE SHUTTERS.
IS THAT TRUE? I, SO I AM AMENABLE TO THE ALTERNATIVE COLOR SCHEME.
UM, I WOULD PREFER NOT TO REMOVE THE SHUTTERS IF IT CAN BE, UM, AVOIDED OR EXEMPTED.
WE, THEY WERE, THEY'VE BEEN ON SINCE WE'VE LIVED IN THE HOUSE FOR ALMOST EIGHT YEARS.
WE, I MEAN, I HAVE NO OTHER REASON OTHER THAN WE LIKE THEM.
UH, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THEM IF, IF THE, THE COMMITTEE IS AMENABLE TO THAT.
WELL, UM, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE REMAINDER OF THE COMMISSION, BUT I, I CONCUR WITH THE TASK FORCE THAT THEY WERE NOT APPROVED IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AND IF THEY HAD BEEN APPROVED, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THAT SIZE.
THEY WOULD'VE BEEN MADE TO APPEAR FUNCTIONAL.
UM, AND THEY, BY BEING ALLOWED TO PAINT THEM, IT'S FURTHER, IT'S MAKING THEM FURTHER INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE HOUSE.
'CAUSE THEY'RE A COMP INCOMPATIBLE APPLICATION.
SO, UM, THAT'S, I CAN SEE WHY TASK FORCE IS CONCERNED.
I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
UM, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THESE SHUTTERS WERE NEVER APPROVED? CORRECT.
THEY DON'T, WE DON'T NEED TO ASK THEM.
THEY NEED TO COME OFF 'CAUSE THEY'RE, WELL, THERE IS THE QUESTION OF DO WE KNOW WHEN THEY WERE PUT ON, WAS IT BE EIGHT YEARS AGO? OKAY, THEN THAT'S RECENT ISN'T IT? BUT WERE THEY APPROVED BY THE LANDMARK BETWEEN EIGHT YEARS AGO? I DIDN'T SEE A CA COURT.
I WOULD LIKE TO CHECK IF THEY HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED, I'D LIKE TO SEND CODE COMPLIANCE OUT TO REMOVE THE SHUTTERS.
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THANK YOU.UM, ANOTHER QUESTION IS THE PORCH FLOOR NOT TO BE PAINTED THE, THE PORCH FLOOR? THERE WAS NO PICTURES WHEN IT WENT TO TASK FORCE HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AS A ROUTINE.
IT'S NOT CEMENT, IT'S NOT CONCRETE.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT ON HERE.
OKAY, SO IT'S NOT A CONCRETE FLOOR? NO, IT'S A WOOD FLOOR AND IT'S ALREADY, I'VE ALREADY PROCESSED IT.
AND THE BRICK'S PREVIOUSLY BEEN PAINTED? YES, THE BRICK IS ALREADY PAINTED AS RIGHT NOW.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS? UH, I HESITATE BECAUSE I PROBABLY WILL HAVE A STAPLER THROWN AT ME, BUT I WAS GOING TO, UM, SEE IF ANOTHER OPTION COULD BE ON THE BRICK, BRICK REMOVAL, UH, PAINT REMOVAL.
UM, I THINK I LOOKED AND MAYBE LOOKING POSSIBLY AND I THINK IT WAS PAINTED PRIOR TO HISTORIC DISTRICT.
ANY PHOTOS WITHOUT IT BEING PRINT, YOU KNOW, PAINTED.
SO I THINK IT WAS IN WHICH CASE IT WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN.
IT WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN AND TASK FORCE UNDERSTOOD THAT.
THAT'S WHY THEY DIDN'T SAY REMOVE PAINT.
'CAUSE RENEE, HE, HE KNOWS OF THIS HOUSE.
I MEAN IF YOU WANT, BUT IT'S, I BELIEVE IT'S GRANDFATHERED IN.
ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? IF I COULD CLARIFY ONE THING.
UM, IT WAS, UHHUH STATED THAT THE SHUTTERS WERE PUT ON EIGHT YEARS AGO.
THAT'S JUST WHEN WE MOVED IN THE SHUTTERS.
I THINK CHRISTINA UM, FOUND OUT THAT THEY WERE PUT ON IT AROUND 2009 WHEN THE OVERALL REMODEL WAS FOUND OF THE HOUSE BETWEEN 2008 AND 2011, SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT TIME.
SO IT WAS BEFORE THEM I BELIEVE.
UM, BUT I NEVER FOUND, LIKE I SAID, CA WAS NEVER FOUND.
SO WHOEVER IT WAS PREVIOUSLY, I WAS JUST GONNA GET INTO, UH, POSSIBLE, UH, BRICK DIE, UH, METHODS.
SO ONCE IT'S REMOVED, BUT I'M NOT GONNA GO THERE.
YEAH, I THINK UNFORTUNATELY NOT FOR THIS ONE.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? 'CAUSE IF NOT, MAY, MAY I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION?
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS MR I, UM, WELL IT, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE SHUTTERS WERE NOT BIASED CORRECTLY.
THEY WOULD NEED TO LOOK LARGE ENOUGH TO BE USED AS SHUTTERS.
IS THERE, UM, IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE AND, AND I KNOW THIS WOULD LIKELY BE AN ADDITIONAL CA BUT THIS MIGHT BE TO REFERENCE IF WE WERE TO REMOVE THEM NOW, WOULD IT BE LIKELY OR UNLIKELY TO HAVE A CA APPROVED TO ADD THEM BACK BUT IN A MORE APPROPRIATE WAY? I WOULD HAZARD TO GUESS THAT IT'S PROBABLY NOT LIKELY BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY NOT IN THE, OR THE GENIUS ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT'S NOT TYPICAL OF CRAFTSMEN ANYWHERE.
UM, BUT I KNOW IN SOME CASES, LIKE IN WINNETKA HEIGHTS, SHUTTERS ARE ALLOWED, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE MOUNTED TO BE FUNCTIONAL TO SERVE AS A SHUTTER.
SO, UM, BUT THAT'S WINNETKA HEIGHTS, IT'S NOT GENUS HEIGHTS.
AND GENUS HEIGHTS ORDINANCE IS PROBABLY EVEN FAR MORE SPECIFIC THAN WINKA HEIGHTS ORDINANCE.
'CAUSE WINKA HEIGHTS WAS DONE IN 81.
SO IN GENUS IS MUCH MORE RECENT AND ALSO MENTIONED THAT YOU DON'T SEE A OF A SHUTTER ON A TRIPLE GANG WINDOW.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE SHUTTERS WOULD BE WAY TOO BIG.
THE SHUTTERS COULD NOT POSSIBLY ACTUALLY CLOSE OVER THE WINDOWS.
CLOSE OVER A TRIPLE GANGED WINDOW.
I NEED A MOTION NOW MY NICENESS IS WEARING OFF.
I WOULD MOTION WHOEVER SAID THAT.
MAKE A PROCEDURE MAKING, MAKING A MOTION
UM, REGARDING SEVEN 14 GLENDALE STREET, UH, CA 2 4 5 DASH 11 THREE CP THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WITH THE ADDITIONAL FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT, UM, THE EXISTING SHUTTERS BE REMOVED AND THE, UM, THE BODY BE PAINTED THE SAME, UH, BEHIND THEM SO THAT IT'S CONSISTENT.
AND NUMBER TWO, THAT THE BRICK BE PAINTED, UH, SEAL SKIN.
SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? YES.
WOULD IT ALSO BE APPROPRIATE TO STATE THAT THE PORCH FLOOR WOULD ALSO BE SEAL SKI? NO, THAT'S DIFFERENT.
IT'S ON A DIFFERENT APPLICATION.
PORCH FLOOR HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED VIA B ROUTINE.
UH, I KNOW THAT IT WAS NOT CERTAIN AT TASK FORCE BECAUSE THERE WERE NO PICTURES PROVIDED, BUT SINCE THEN I'VE GOTTEN PICTURE,
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IT'S ALREADY GONE, SO IT'S SECOND.UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY RISK AS A CLARIFICATION, WHEN YOU SAID MOTION TO APPROVE, DID YOU MEAN APPROVE EVERYTHING OR DID YOU MEAN FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS? IT WAS FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH UH, TWO ADDIT, TWO CONDITIONS ATTACHED.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO DENY WITH PREJUDICE.
SO WAS THAT NO, IT WAS, THAT WAS TASK FORCE.
LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT I WAS MADE TO MAKE A MISTAKE.
SHE WAS CORRECT AND I WAS CONFUSED FROM THE ATTORNEY
IT WAS COMMISSIONER RENO WHO MADE THE MOTION.
ALRIGHT, SO ARE WE READY TO VOTE YES ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ALL THOSE NOT IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY NO.
APPEARS IT HAS PASSED AND THE PROJECT WILL PROCEED NOW.
I'LL BE IN CONTACT WITH YOU AND SEND YOU THE CA.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 5 53 16 W STREET, JU HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 4 5 107 CP.
THE REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PLACE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS AND INSTALL RAILING.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APP APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS AND INSTALL RAILING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 12 2 20 24 WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE COLUMN INCLUDE A CAPPED AND BASE AND RAILING IS REMOVED FROM THE STEPS.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION SEVEN, MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SEC SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS AND INSTALL RAILING BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE COLUMN INCLUDE A CAP AND BASE IN KEEPING WITH OTHERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THE RAILING MUST INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING, ONE RAILING HEIGHT IS REDUCED TO MATCH WINDOWS SILL HEIGHT.
TWO RAILING AT STEPS BE REMOVED AND THREE COPY EXISTING ORIGINAL RAILING IN NEIGHBORHOOD IEA SQUATTY RAILING.
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE FIVE WINDOWS ON MAIN STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
ADDITIONAL PHOTOS OF THE WINDOWS AND THEIR CONDITION NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED.
JUST TO BE ADVISED, WINDOWS HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THIS APPLICATION.
OKAY, THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN REMOVED, BUT AS I RECALL, WE STILL HAVE TO, UM, AS I RECALL, WE ARE STILL REQUIRED TO RULE ON SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE APPLICATION.
IF THEY REMOVED IT AFTER IT WAS POSTED, WELL, NO, THEY RE THEY REMOVED IT AFTER TASK FORCE, BUT IT'S NOT ONE OF THE REQUESTS.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY IN CASE SOMEBODY WAS LOOKING, YOU KNOW, AT THE TASKFORCE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THERE'S NO ONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE.
UM, BUT WHO IS IT? I DON'T SEE, SEE WE HAVE TO MAKE IT.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN JUST ME SAYING IT WAS FINE.
YOU NEED TO, UH, WE NEED TO SEE YOU.
NOW YOU NEED TO BEGIN WELCOME BY TELLING US YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND THAT YOU'RE GONNA TELL THE TRUTH.
I AM AT 53 16 WORTH STREET AND I'M GOING TO TELL THE TRUTH.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US ANYTHING MORE WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
WELL BASICALLY, UH, IN JUNE I WENT TO CLOSE THE FRONT DOOR AS I WAS LEAVING AND ONE OF THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS FELL OFF.
SO I THOUGHT IT'S TIME TO DEAL WITH THIS.
UH, THE PREVIOUS OWNERS WERE, UH, NOT REALLY KEEPING THE PROPERTY UP TO DATE.
I THINK THEY HAD AT SOME POINT PUT SOME KIND OF, UH, METAL COLUMNS TO HOLD UP THE, THE ROOF AND IT'S, UH, RUSTED AND DILAPIDATED.
SO I WANT TO KIND OF RESTORE IT BACK TO WHAT WOULD BE ORIGINALLY CORRECT FOR THIS, UM, STRUCTURE AND ITS TIMEFRAME.
AND SO WE'VE INCLUDED SOME, UH, BASICALLY A BOX COLUMN, WOOD DETAILS WITH THE RAILING THAT
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WE'D LIKE TO PUT IN PLACE OF WHAT IS CURRENTLY A TEMPORARY, UH, DON'T KILL PEOPLE, DON'T COLLAPSE ON UH, MYSELF KIND OF SITUATION.AND I'M SORRY YOUR HOUSE ATTACKED YOU.
IT HAPPENS OFTEN WITH HISTORIC HOUSES.
ALRIGHT, DO COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ONE? BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, BUT NEXT FOLLOWS IF I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
I WAS GONNA MAKE A MOTION IF I CAN SECOND AHEAD IT OR I CAN MAKE IT
UH, IN THE CASE OF CA 2 4 5 DASH 1 1 7 CP, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS 53 16 W STREET, I MOVE TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO APPROVE REPLACEMENT OF THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS AND INSTALL RAILING IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 12 2 20 24 WITH CONDITIONS CITED TO ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS INCORPORATED.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THE SECOND WITH COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN.
UM, ANY FURTHER? THE DISCUSSION.
ALRIGHT, THEN I CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS ONE, PLEASE SAY YES.
IN THE OPPOSED THERE ARE NO OPPOSITION.
ALL THAT ONE WENT WELL AND CONGRATULATIONS.
AND THAT LEADS US MOVING ON TO NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH I, I HESITATE TO SAY IT AGAIN.
I BELIEVE THERE'S NO SPEAKER FOR NUMBER EIGHT.
AM I CORRECT IN THIS? WELL, ACTUALLY, UM, THERE'S NO, THAT'S WHO THE KITCHENS ARE THAT HAVE SUDDENLY RIGHT.
THE SPEAKER DID NOT SIGN UP, BUT, BUT SHE IS ONLINE IF SHE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING, LET ME GO AHEAD AND READ IT INTO THE RECORD AND WE CAN GET STARTED.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS 2 22 NORTH EDGEFIELD AVENUE IN THE WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 4 5 DASH NINE SEVEN MW.
THE REQUEST NUMBER ONE IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPAIR OR REPLACE ROTTEN SIDING IN KIND AS NEEDED, UP TO 25% OF THE TOTAL STRUCTURE.
REQUEST NUMBER TWO IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RE, TO PAINT THE MAIN STRUCTURE, INCLUDING PREVIOUSLY UNPAINTED BRICK, BODY BODY BM 2141 DASH 70 VANILLA MILKSHAKE, TRIM AND COLUMNS BM 2138 DASH 40 CAROLINA GALL WINDOWS EPU 18 DASH ONE CRACKED PEPPER DOOR STAIN SW 35 13 SPICE CHEST STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPAIR OR REPLACE ROTTEN SIDING IN KIND AS NEEDED UP TO 25% OF THE TOTAL STRUCTURE BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE REPLACEMENT WOOD SIDING IS AN EXACT MATCH OF THE PROFILE DIMENSION REVEAL AND MATERIAL OF THE EXISTING WOOD SIDINGS AND THAT THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE WOOD REPLACED DOES NOT EXCEED 25% OF THE TOTAL OF STRUCTURE.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87.1 11 8 10, THE STANDARD IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT ITEM NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT THE MAIN STRUCTURE, INCLUDING PREVIOUSLY UNPAINTED BRICK BODY BM 2141 DASH 70 VANILLA MILKSHAKE, TRIM AND COLUMNS BM 2138 DASH 40 CAROLINA GULL WINDOWS PPU 18 DASH ONE CRACKED PEPPER DOOR STAIN SW 35 13 SPICE CHEST BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS SUBMITTED 11 7 24 WITH THE CONDITION THAT NO BRICK OR OTHER MASONRY BE PAINTED.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P 87.1 11 A EIGHT, THE STANDARD AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING A NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
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SUPPORTIVE.ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH COMMENTS.
CAN'T PAINT BRICK PURSUE UH, CREAMIER SLASH WARMER.
WHITE AND GRAY LOOKS TOO DARK.
AND WE APPARENTLY DO HAVE SPEAKERS PRESENT.
UM, WE DO NEED TO HAVE A VISUAL, IT'S A STATE LAW.
YOU HAVE TO TURN THE CAMERA ON.
WAS THAT YOU JACQUELINE KITCHENS? YES.
HI, I AM SORRY I TURNED ON THE CAMERA, BUT FOR SOME REASON IT'S NOT WORKING.
IS IT A LAPTOP? AND YOUR LITTLE DOOR AT THE TOP TOP IS SLID OVER TO PROTECT YOUR PRIVACY? UH, NO, IT'S ACTUALLY A WEBCAM, SO I'LL JUST SWITCH OVER TO MY LAPTOP TO MAKE IT EASIER AND HOPEFULLY THAT'LL WORK.
I DO WANT TO, UM, OH, THERE SHE IS.
CLARIFY THAT I DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM THE KITCHENS THIS MORNING THAT SAID, NO, WE REALLY AREN'T PLANNING TO DO THE BRICK AFTER ALL.
SO, UM, I THINK, I THINK YOU AGREE THAT THAT WAS OKAY.
UM, ALSO THE, THE TASK FORCE WERE THE ONES THAT REFERRED TO THE GRAY, UH, BEING TOO DARK AND IT'S REALLY NOT A GRAY.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY A GREEN, THE TRIM.
UM, MS. KITCHENS, WE NEED YOU TO GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
HI, I AM JACQUELINE KITCHENS, UM, 2 2 2 NORTH EDGEFIELD AVENUE AND YES, I AGREE TO, I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
OKAY MA'AM, YOU NOW HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US ANY FURTHER INFORMATION OR CLARIFICATIONS ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
UM, UH, I, HAVING TALKED TO THE TASK FORCE EARLIER, WE UNDERSTAND THAT PAINTING THE BRICK KIND OF GOES AGAINST WHAT IS USUALLY APPROVED.
THE REASON WE DID SUBMIT IT IS THAT THE PORCH ISN'T, UM, AN ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE AND WAS ACTUALLY ADDED ON IN 2010.
SO SINCE IT WASN'T TECHNICALLY HISTORICALLY ACCURATE, WE THOUGHT WE COULD ASK TO HAVE THE PAINT OR THE BRICK PAINTED BECAUSE IT'S QUITE RED.
UM, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT CURRENTLY IS NOT REALLY AN OPTION.
UM, AS FAR AS THE COLORS, UM, I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THE GRAY IS ACTUALLY QUITE GREEN, MORE OF A SAGE GREEN.
I THINK IT READ A LITTLE DIFFERENT ONLINE, BUT HAVING HA HAVING LOOKED AT THE SAMPLES, I THINK WE ALL AGREED AT THE END OF THE DISCUSSION THAT IT WAS, UM, QUITE GREEN.
UM, WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE SUGGESTIONS.
UM, AS FAR AS THE COLORS THEMSELVES, UM, THE WHITE TENDS TO BE PRETTY WARM AND DOES PAIR WELL WITH THE GREEN.
AND THEN THE ACCENT AROUND THE WINDOW IS ACTUALLY VERY SMALL.
THE GREEN IS GOING TO BE MORE PROMINENT AROUND THE WINDOW AND THE SMALL, UM, DARKER SHADE IS REALLY LIKE THE 20 PANES THAT ARE IN THAT SINGLE HAND WINDOW.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF, OF THE DARKER COLOR.
AND NOW WE SEE IF ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT.
I COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS HONOR, I AM READY WITH THE MOTION.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN IS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, SPEAK NOW.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PREFACE THIS WITH, HAD THE PAINTING OF THE BRICK NOT BEEN REMOVED AT YOUR REQUEST, I WOULD'VE RE UH, STATED THIS NUMBER TWO TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR, UM, THAT THE PAINTING OF THE BRICK IS DENIED.
BUT SINCE YOU'VE REMOVED IT ANYWAY, I'M GONNA JUST LEAVE IT AS IT WAS.
SO IN THE MATTER OF CA 2 45 DASH 0 9 7 MZ 3 22 NORTH EDGEFIELD AVENUE, I MOVED TO WITH, UH, RESPECT TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE.
UM, I MOVED THAT, UH, WE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE READ INTO THE RECORD.
AND, UM, WITH RESPECT TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, THAT WE ALSO APPROVED THOSE WITH THE CONDITION THAT IS ALSO STATED, UM, IN THE RECORD.
UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER'S POLICY.
UH, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE CAN CALL FOR A VOTE ON THIS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT THEN THE MOTION IS CARRIED.
YOU ALL PROCEED WITH FIXING UP YOUR HOUSE AND I HOPE YOU LIKE IT.
OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYONE, AND THANK YOU MR. WATSON.
OKAY, NOW WE ARE UP TO DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 10 FOR WHICH I'M SURE A DOZEN SPEAKERS HAVE JUST SHOWED UP AND NO ONE'S FOLLOWING THIS.
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10.ITEM NUMBER 10, LOCATED AT FOUR 15 NORTH WINNETKA AVENUE IN THE WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 45 DASH 0 9 9 MW.
AND I AM MARK WATSON PRESENTING THE REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD A GABLE DORMER TO THE FRONT OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL SKYLIGHTS IN THE NORTH AND SOUTH ROOF SLOPES.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD A GABLE DORMER IN THE FRONT OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 10 25 24 WITH FINDINGS OF FACT THAT THE STRUCTURE IS LISTED AS NON-CONTRIBUTING DUE TO PREVIOUS ALTERATIONS AND THAT THE PROPOSED WORK IS TYPICAL OF THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE STRUCTURE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE PROPOSED WORK THEREFORE MEETS THE STANDARD IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 8 DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL SKYLIGHTS IN THE NORTH AND SOUTH ROOF SLOPES BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 10 25 24 WITH FINDINGS, THE FACT THAT SKYLIGHTS ARE ALLOWED BY THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA AND ALTHOUGH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA WOULD REQUIRE SKYLIGHTS TO BE IN THE REAR 50% OF A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, THE STRUCTURE IS LISTED AS NON-CONTRIBUTING DUE TO PREVIOUS ALTERATIONS.
AND THE PROPOSED WORK WILL HAVE A MINIMAL VISUAL EFFECT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE PROPOSED WORK THEREFORE MEETS THE STANDARD IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN AT TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE EGRESS WINDOW HAS A FORMULA WITH A MINIMUM WIDTH TO SQUARE INCHES.
TWO SQUARE CASEMENT WINDOWS WOULD BE BETTER.
CONSIDER LOWERING THE ROOF LINE OF THE DORMER.
ADD PHOTOS OF OTHER DORMERS AS EXAMPLES TWO.
ONLY SUPPORTIVE SKYLIGHTS NEED TO BE IN THE REAR 50%.
ALRIGHT, SO WITH NO SPEAKERS, THERE'S NO ONE ONLINE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF OR ARE WE READY TO MAKE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, I HAVE, UM, A MOTION READY.
I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT IF ANYONE IS EVER CURIOUS, THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE, UM, WAS ALMOST KISSED BY THE TORNADO.
THE ROOF OF THE HOUSE TO THE SOUTH WAS COMPLETELY ANNIHILATED AND THE TORNADO WENT RIGHT THROUGH THE BACKYARD OF THIS HOUSE AND THE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT IT NARROWLY MISSED THE SOUTHWEST CORNER AND THEN IT WENT ACROSS THE STREET AND SMASHED INTO THE KESSLER'S THEATER.
SO IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, I'M HAPPY TO SHOW IT TO YOU.
UM, AND I DO HAVE A MOTION THAT, UM, MAYBE, UM, A BIT LENGTHY AND CITY ATTORNEY MIGHT TELL ME TO TAKE SOME OF IT OUT IS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DEFENDED.
HE MIGHT LIKE ME NOT TO HAVE SO MUCH IN THERE, BUT, OR PERHAPS THEY SHOULD STAND OVER YOU
I DO HAVE THIS, UM, THIS MOTION IN THE MATTER OF DISCUSSION ITEM 10 CA 2 4 5 0 9 9 MW, ALSO KNOWN AS FOUR 15 NORTH WINKA AVENUE.
HOWEVER, MARCUS, THIS IS ACTUALLY FOUR 13 AND FOUR 15.
SHOULD WE CORRECT THE RECORD TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T HEAR YOU
BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF MOTION
IF YOU COULD REPEAT THAT, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
UM, WE, WE GO BY THE ADDRESS IN OUR SYSTEM.
IT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ADDRESS IN, IN THE SYSTEM.
UH, BUT IT'S, IT, IT COVERS THE STRUCTURE.
UH, EVEN IF IT HAS MULTIPLE ADDRESSES.
OKAY, WELL I'M GONNA READ IN DIRECTLY, BUT IT'S, IT'S ALSO KNOWN AS 4 13 1 4 15
IT IS A 1920 DUPLEX IN THE WEKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I MOVE TO NUMBER ONE, DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
REQUEST NUMBER ONE TO INSTALL A FRONT FACING DORMER FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE OF THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR THE TREATMENT OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES, WHICH STATES ADDING CONJECTURAL FEATURES OR ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT FROM OTHER BUILDINGS SHALL NOT BE UNDERTAKEN AND EACH PROPERTY SHALL BE RECOGNIZED AS A PHYSICAL RECORD OF ITS TIME PLACING IN YOU.
NUMBER TWO, A MOVE TO APPROVE THE INSTALLATION OF TWO SKYLIGHTS, ONE
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ON THE NORTH AND ONE ON THE SOUTH SLOPE AS SHOWN SLIGHTLY BEYOND THE 50% MARK WITH THE CONDITION THE SKYLIGHT BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE ROOF SHINGLE.THE APPLICANT SHALL FIRST OBTAIN APPROVAL BY STAFF AND PROVIDE BOTH A PAINT SHIFT AND A ROOF SHINGLE SAMPLE PRIOR TO THE INSTALLATION OF THE SKYLIGHTS.
AND I DO HAVE SEVERAL FINDINGS OF FACT.
I'M HAPPY TO READ 'EM OR I'M HAPPY TO LEAVE THEM OUT.
COUNSEL, WHAT DO YOU THINK? I THINK REQUEST, I THINK IT'S REQUEST, REQUEST TO HAVE FINDINGS OF FACT, UM, TO, TO, SO THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE COMPLETELY COVERING WHY YOU'RE, WHY THIS DECISION.
UM, AND AT THE REQUEST OF COUNSEL, I'M BEING ASKED TO ADD THAT, UM, NUMBER ONE IS BEING, UH, DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE BECAUSE THE REQUEST IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND I ALSO ADD THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT.
THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR RECOMMENDS IDENTIFYING, RETAINING, AND PRESERVING ROOFS AND POINTS OUT THAT ROOF IS IMPORTANT IN DEFINING THE OVERALL HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING IN THE FORM OF THE ROOF IS SIGNIFICANT.
WHILE MANY SINGLE-STORY BUNGALOWS WITH HIP AND GABLE ROOF LINES ARE LOCATED THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT AND SOME ARE EXTENDED WITH FRONT FACING AT DOOR DORMERS OF VARYING TYPES.
THIS ORIGINAL BRICK DUPLEX IS UNIQUE TO THE WINKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT FEATURES A PAIR OF SYMMETRICAL GABLE COVERAGE, FRONT FORTRESS PAIRED WITH A HIP ROOF ON AND A CENTRAL WALKUP.
THE NON-CONTRIBUTING STATUS IS STATED IN THE 1981 APPLICATION FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION AS PERHAPS MOST LIKELY DUE TO THE REAR TWO STORY EDITION CLAD CURRENTLY AND AS MOST LIKELY ASBESTOS SHINGLE, THE FRONT, HOWEVER, AND THE MAJORITY OF THE SIDE ELEVATIONS REMAIN REMARKABLY INTACT.
PLUS THEY RETAIN THE RATHER UNIQUE, DISTINCTIVE AND SIGNIFICANT CHARACTER.
I'LL SECOND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER PREZI YI.
IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
OH, THERE IS FURTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER PREZI YI WOULD LIKE.
SO IN OUR, IN OUR DOCKET, THIS CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATE APPLICATION HAS A DIFFERENT APPLICANT NAME AND A DIFFERENT MAILING ADDRESS THAN, UM, THAN WHAT THEN 4 14 4 15 NORTH WINNETKA AVENUE.
SO I JUST, UH, WANTED TO NOTE THAT FOR THE RECORD.
OH, SO, SO WAS THIS ONE OF THE ONES THAT WAS INCORRECTLY, UH, SHOWN TO YOURS? YES.
ERS YEAH, THE NAME OF THE APPLICANT IS RICHARD ERS AND THE MAILING ADDRESS IS 1 21 NORTH WINNETKA.
WELL, THE PROPERTY ADDRESS HERE IS LISTED AS 1 21 NORTH WINNETKA AVENUE ON THE APPLICATION WHEN IT'S FOUR 15 NORTH WINNETKA AVENUE IS THE ADDRESS PROPERTY ADDRESS, UH, THAT IS THEIR MAILING ADDRESS FOR, FOR RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S LAURA WINS WALL AND DAVID S SHEM.
BUT THE PROPERTY ADDRESS IS ALSO, UM, NOT CORRECT ON THE CA APPLICATION.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
AND I MEANT TO, I MEANT TO FIX THAT.
THAT'S BECAUSE THE ARCHITECT HAD TWO PROJECTS AND HE PUT IT ON THIS, HE PUT THE SAME ADDRESS ON BOTH THAT, THAT THAT WILL GET FIXED.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'M GONNA BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, UH, MOTION.
UH, I THINK, UM, PUTTING THE, UH, PROPOSED DORMER ON THE HISTORIC SECTION THAT IS STILL INTACT ON THE FRONT FACADE WOULD BE A, A MAJOR, UM, MAJOR, UH, CHANGE TO THIS.
AND UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, UH, WOULD BE IN KEEPING, I THINK IT WOULD BE AN ADVERSE EFFECT TO THE HISTORICAL OVERLAY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION.
ANY MORE COMMENTS? I ALSO HAVE A MISTAKE.
I'M ALSO SUPPORTIVE OF THE MOTION.
UH, THIS BUILDING IS AN INCREDIBLE, IN MY OPINION, AN INCREDIBLE ASSET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THIS TYPE OF DORMER, WHICH BRINGS THE THE RIDGE LINE FORWARD IS VERY UNUSUAL AND IS CROWDING WOULD CROWD OUT THE, THE DOMINANT, UH, PORCHES AND I BELIEVE IT WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT.
AND, UM, WE'VE ALSO DISCUSSED THIS EXTENSIVELY IN THE BRIEFING, OUR THOUGHTS ON THE, UM, THE HISTORICAL IMPORTANCE OF THE BUILDING NO MATTER WHAT MAY SURVEYS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? ALL RIGHT.
THIS MOTION HAS CARRIED, UM, STAFF, OF COURSE KNOWS TOO WHAT THEY NEED TO COMMUNICATE TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT APPEALING AND WHY IT'S BETTER TO COME TALK TO US.
PROBABLY A LOT EASIER AND LESS STRESSFUL.
YES, IT'S IN A BAD MOOD THAT DAY, BUT MOSTLY IT'S PRETTY MORE LESS STRESSFUL TO COME TALK TO US INSTEAD OF GO TO CPC.
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ALRIGHT, NOW WE'RE OUT OF ALL OF THOSE AND WE GET UP TO NUMBER 11.RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1201 SOUTH VE STREET.
THE NAME OF THE PROPERTY IS BO DECKER ICE CREAM COMPANY.
THE REQUEST IS TO REVIEW THE NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION FORM FOR 1201 SOUTH IRV STREET, THE BO DECKER ICE CREAM COMPANY AT THE BEHEST OF THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, THC.
THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS THE BODEN FAMILY FOUNDATION DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER PER I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION RECOMMEND 1201 SOUTH IRV BAY STREET, THE BO DECKER ICE CREAM COMPANY, UH, FOR NATIONAL REGISTERED LISTING UNDER CRITERIA A AS PRESENTED IN OUR DOCKET TODAY.
SECOND, I BELIEVE THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA.
WHAT A NICE MOTION COMMISSIONER PREZI.
ARE WE READY TO VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED PLEASE SAY NO.
SO A SUITABLE LETTER SHALL BE SENT ON WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION AND MAKE SURE THAT THE LETTER INCLUDES IT'S A COOL INTERIOR.
IT'S CREAMY AND COOL AND DELICIOUS.
ALRIGHT, WELL, ALRIGHT, NOW WE DO NEED TO VOTE ON THE MINUTES.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES AS WE LAST SAW THEM ONLINE? IF NOT, WHO WILL MAKE THE MOTION? WHO WILL MAKE THE MOTION?
UH, C COMMISSIONER HENO HOSA HAS MOVED TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED AND THAT IS SECONDED BY SECOND.
IT IS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SPELL
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
WE ACCEPT OUR MINUTES AND THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS.
IT'S 4 37 AND THE LANDMARK COMMISSION IS ADJOURNED.