[INAUDIBLE] SO I THINK WE SHOULD GET STARTED SINCE ALL THIS NICE HAPPINESS AND JOY IS GOING ON.
[Transportation and Infrastructure Committee on December 3, 2024.]
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THE TIME IS NOW 1:07 P.M., AND I NOW CALL TO ORDER THE DECEMBER 3RD, 2024 COMMITTEE MEETING FOR TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.SECOND. WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ANY DISCUSSION? ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NO DISCUSSION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
WE ARE BACK FROM THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY.
I HOPE EVERYBODY HAD A NICE, HAPPY, RESTFUL, MAYBE NOT SO RESTFUL, BUT GOOD FOOD, GOOD FAMILY, GOOD WHATEVER YOU WERE DOING DURING YOUR HOLIDAY BREAK. AND WE'RE ALL GLAD TO HAVE EVERYBODY BACK AND TO GET BACK TO WORK.
SO THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BRIEFING ITEM B, WHICH IS THE DALLAS LOVE FIELD MASTER PLAN AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM UPDATES FOR NOVEMBER 1ST, 2024.
AND THEY'LL PRESENT THAT AND PROPOSE NEXT STEPS.
WE HAVE PATRICK CARRENO, THE DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION, WITH US TO PRESENT.
AND I'M NOT MAKING YOU WAIT THIS TIME AND END UP RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
SO YOU'RE FIRST UP SO THAT WE GET THIS DONE AND GOING FORWARD.
THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND GOOD AFTERNOON.
PATRICK CARRENO, DIRECTOR OF AVIATION.
WITH ME TODAY THIS IS OUR THIRD UPDATE ON THIS MASTER PLAN.
BUT I HAVE SOME OTHER FOLKS WITH ME TODAY, VINCENT LEWIS, WHO'S ONE OF OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTORS, WHO'S OVER THE CAPITAL PROGRAMS HAS BEEN AN INTEGRAL PART OF THIS WITH HIS TEAM. ALSO IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY, WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE.
ONE IS KRISTIN HEMPHILL WITH RICONDO AND ASSOCIATES.
THEY'VE BEEN LEADING THIS EFFORT WITH OUR TEAM TO COME UP WITH THIS PROGRAM AND DIRECTLY UP BEHIND ME, WE HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF SOUTHWEST AIRLINES AIRPORT AFFAIRS. THEY'VE BEEN REALLY CRITICAL HELPING US WORK THROUGH THIS AS A HUGE PARTNER WITH US.
SO WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE THEM HERE TODAY.
WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS IN ON THE ALTERNATIVE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM THAT'S COMING OUT OF THIS AND FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY AND THEN NEXT STEPS IN THIS PROCESS. SO CURRENT MASTER PLAN ACTIVITIES.
YOU'VE SEEN THIS SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE.
WE'RE IN THE ALTERNATIVES DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED THERE.
WE'VE OUR THIRD BRIEFING WE'VE DONE FIVE STAKEHOLDER GROUP MEETINGS OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST YEAR, WE'VE ALSO HAD THREE MASTER PLAN OPEN HOUSES, WITH ONE JUST LAST NIGHT.
SO THE ALTERNATIVE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS YOU KNOW, WORKING, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY SOUTHWEST AIRLINES, US, OUR STAKEHOLDER GROUP A BIG PIECE TO KIND OF REFINE THIS DOWN TO, TO HOW DO WE GET TO FINALLY THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE.
SO YOU SEE UP THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT PICTURES WITH A LOT OF INTERESTING IDEAS.
AND THEY WERE ABLE TO REFINE IT DOWN TO EIGHT INTEGRATED CONCEPTS.
SO FROM THERE WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND THEY USE THOSE CONCEPTS TO GET TO FOUR FOUR ALTERNATIVES.
SO A BIG PIECE OF THIS IS LOOKING AT THINGS THAT YOU WOULD PROBABLY EXPECT FLEXIBILITY.
WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DESIGN SOMETHING THAT CAN ADJUST AND MAKE SENSE.
IT NEEDS TO BE COST RELATIVE COST IS VERY IMPORTANT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER.
IT'S IT'S HIGHLY UTILIZED THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE.
COMPLEXITY. IMPLEMENTATION COMPLEXITY IS VERY IMPORTANT.
THERE'S A LOT OF PHASES TO THIS.
WE HAVE TO KEEP THINGS OPEN AND OPERATIONAL.
A BIG ONE, AND YOU'VE HEARD THIS OVER SEVERAL YEARS IS PASSENGER EXPERIENCE.
THE PASSENGER IS VERY CRITICAL TO THIS.
AND WHAT HAVE WE MISSED IN THE PAST? AND ARE WE ADDRESSING THAT IN THE FUTURE? AND THEN THE NON TERMINAL FACILITY IMPACTS IS ALSO IMPORTANT OF WHAT'S ADJACENT TO THE TERMINAL AREA AND HOW IS THAT IMPACTED.
SO AS I MENTIONED WE GET TO FOUR ALTERNATIVES A, B, C AND D.
SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT WE'LL RECOMMEND A OR B OR C.
IT COULD BE A COMBINATION OF ALL FOUR OF THEM.
SO YOU'LL SEE THE KIND OF THE OVERALL PLANS HERE.
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SO IN TERMINAL A WE HAVE IT BROKEN OUT AT THE CONCOURSE DOWN ON THE GROUND LEVEL AND THEN IN THE BASEMENT AND BIG, BIG THINGS, YOU KNOW, ON THIS ONE, WIDENING THE CONCOURSE.IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE, IT'S CONGESTED.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH HOLD ROOM SPACE.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH RESTROOM CONCESSION.
THESE THREE OF THESE ALTERNATIVES WILL SHOW A BUMP OUT.
OTHERWISE YOU LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO TO WHAT WE HAVE EXTENDING THE BAGGAGE CLAIM.
YOU'LL HAVE A GROUND TRANSPORTATION CENTER ACROSS THE STREET WHERE GARAGE A IS.
SO THAT WAS THE BIGGER COMPONENTS IN TERMINAL IN THIS TERMINAL ALTERNATIVE.
ON THE NEXT SLIDE YOU CAN SEE IN B GETS A LITTLE, LITTLE MORE INTRUSIVE.
SO WITHIN THIS YOU ALSO HAVE THE BUMP OUT AGAIN.
BUT THIS IS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT BRINGING UP THE WHAT WE CALL THE PROCESSING TO ABOVE.
SO ALL THE TICKETING, ALL YOUR CHECK IN GOES UP ABOVE KIND OF WHERE THE CHECK POINT IS NOW.
YOU WOULD HAVE A MULTI-LEVEL ROADWAY, YOU WOULD HAVE A SPLIT BAGGAGE CLAIM OPERATION.
SO THINK OF WHERE THE TICKET HALL IS NOW MIGHT BE A BAGGAGE CLAIM.
AND THEN AGAIN THE GROUND TRANSPORTATION CENTER.
IN C GETS IT GETS VERY DIFFERENT AGAIN, AGAIN WITH THE BUMP OUT ON THE CONCOURSE.
AND WHAT IS GARAGE A AND YOU KIND OF BUILD FROM THERE.
IT GIVES YOU A LOT MORE SPACE.
IT GIVES YOU A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY.
AND YOU KIND OF ADDRESS SOME OF THE BAGGAGE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE.
SO THE GROUND TRANSPORTATION CENTER, YOU STILL HAVE YOU KNOW, ALL THE FUNCTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, BUT NOW YOU'RE REALLY COMING IN BEING DROPPED OFF, I WOULD SAY BETWEEN THE CURRENT A AND B GARAGES.
AND THEN YOU'RE PICKED UP ON THE CURRENT CURB SO YOU SEGREGATE THOSE TWO FLOWS.
AND THEN ON, ON D AGAIN, ANOTHER BIG CHANGE.
YOU CAN SEE MORE ON THE ROADWAY SIDE HOW DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT THAT IS.
AND TAKING THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT DOESN'T SHOW A WIDENING AND INSTEAD THE, THE CONCEPT COMES UP WITH A UTILIZING THE EXISTING SPACE FOR 16 GATES AND THEN MOVING THE OTHER FOUR GATES OUT TO BEHIND WHAT IS THE CURRENT BAGGAGE CLAIM NOW.
SO PRETTY SIGNIFICANT LAND SIDE IMPACT ON THIS ONE AS WELL, WHERE WE'RE MOVING SOME OF THE BAG CLAIMS AND THE BAGGAGE SYSTEM AROUND FROM WHERE IT IS CURRENTLY. SO WITH ALL OF THESE, AS WE REFINE THESE, WE START TO GET INTO A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE THE BUMP OUTS, THE EXPANDING, THE HOLD ROOM, CONCESSIONS, RESTROOMS. AND THEN WE ALSO NEED TO DEVELOP NEW FACILITIES.
AND A BIG PIECE OF THIS IS HOW WE FUND THIS.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE START TO TALK ABOUT A NEW AIRLINE USE AND LEASE AGREEMENT.
AND YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE OUR PARTNERS FROM SOUTHWEST HERE.
THE CURRENT AGREEMENT EXPIRES IN 2028, BUT WITH CIP PHASING IT REALLY GOES PAST THAT.
SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE LONG TERM CERTAINTY TO THE CITY AND TO THE AIRLINES IN SOUTHWEST.
SO THIS WOULD BE A BIG CITY PROJECT, CITY RUN.
BUT WE HAVE OUR TECHNICAL PARTNERS IN THE AIRLINES AND AGAIN SOUTHWEST AIRLINES.
AND WE'D BE USING GENERAL AIRPORT REVENUE BONDS FOR THIS.
SO IT'S REVENUE BACKED BY THAT'S GENERATED BY THE AIRPORT, NOT TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
SO NEXT STEPS FROM THE MASTER PLAN PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO REFINE ALTERNATIVES.
WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP A VALUATION CRITERIA.
THE ENVIRONMENTAL OVERVIEW ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, THE FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY.
AND THEN WE'LL DO A PREFERRED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND WE'LL WE'LL COME BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE IN THE COUNCIL WITH THAT.
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AND THEN ALSO BIG ITEM TIED TO THIS IS NEGOTIATING AND PRESENTING THAT NEW AIRPORT USE AND LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THIS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM TIED INTO IT TO TO THE CITY COUNCIL NEXT YEAR.AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE I APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
IT'S I WANT ALL FOUR, BUT I KNOW WE HAVE TO PICK ONE.
BUT I THINK YOU HIT EVERYTHING THAT I'VE HEARD FROM PASSENGERS AND ME AS A PASSENGER AT LOVE FIELD.
AND AND, PATRICK, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AS EVERY, LIKE, EVERY TIME I'M FLYING, HE GETS ALL THE TEXT MESSAGES FROM ME ON THE THINGS THAT I'M SEEING OR THINGS THAT I'M HEARING, YOU KNOW, FROM THE PASSENGERS BECAUSE WE'RE ALL ONE TEAM.
AND THANK YOU, SOUTHWEST, FOR BEING HERE.
BECAUSE IF YOU LIVE THROUGH THE OLD AIRPORT I DON'T EVER WANT TO DO THAT AGAIN SO.
AND I KNOW NONE OF US DO EITHER.
SO I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMITTEE WITH QUESTIONS.
I'LL START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ AT THE VERY END, AND WE'LL JUST GO LEFT, AND THEN WE'LL GO OUT INTO THE VIRTUAL WORLD THEN WE'LL GO WITH MR. ATKINS, MISS MENDELSOHN, AND THEN MR. RESENDEZ. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU.
AND THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US THAT THIS BE A SUCCESSFUL ENDEAVOR.
COULD YOU SHARE ABOUT GOING ON TO THE CRITERIA PRIORITIES, THERE'S A LOT OF THEM.
AND AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE IN AND OF ITSELF.
BUT I WAS WONDERING IF WITHIN THAT SCREENING CRITERIA, IF YOU HAVE THE ONES THAT ARE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE PRIORITIES IN THE SENSE THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE THIS LIKE THE REST, JUST GO AWAY SO THAT AS YOU'RE WEIGHING THESE CONCEPTS, I SEE THE WAY THAT YOU MEASURED THEM IS LIKE IDEALLY BEST GOOD MODEL.
I GET THAT, BUT AMONG ALL OF THESE DO WE HAVE PRIORITIES THAT NO MATTER WHAT, IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT, IT DOESN'T WORK? WELL, I THINK WHAT WE START WITH IS COST.
THAT'S A BIG FACTOR TO THIS AND WE TRY TO LOOK AT WHAT IS A REASONABLE COST.
AND FROM THAT, I THINK THERE'S OPERATIONAL ELEMENTS THAT ARE NECESSARY.
SO THE BEHIND THE HOUSE THINGS LIKE THE BAG SYSTEM IS, IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT.
THE SAFE EFFICIENCY OF THE FLOW OF THE PASSENGER.
SO HAVING ENOUGH SPACE AND THEN A LOT OF THIS, AGAIN, WE'RE TYING THIS TO AIRPORT REVENUE.
SO WE WANT TO BALANCE THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE AND THE PASSENGER EXPERIENCE.
BUT WE ALSO WANT THEM TO SPEND MONEY.
WE WANT PEOPLE TO TO PARK TO USE OUR FACILITY AND ENJOY THAT.
SO THERE'S FOR US TO PAY FOR THIS.
WE NEED TO DRIVE THAT REVENUE.
AND THEN WE WANT TO ADDRESS THE PASSENGER NEEDS AND GENERATE THAT REVENUE.
SO BOTTOM LINE IS NO, THERE IS NO.
IN THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS WE HAVE A STAKEHOLDER GROUP THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 20-25 FOLKS.
HAVE OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER WHAT THE PASSENGER EXPERIENCE IS.
YEAH. SO I THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO I WOULD SAY ON THIS RIGHT HERE, THE FIRST THING WOULD BE THE ENTRANCE.
AND I THINK IF YOU'VE COME OUT THE THE ENTRY IS APPROACHING FAILURE AND IT'S FAILED.
SO WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION WITH, WITH COG IN THIS PROCESS TO IDENTIFY NOT JUST THE ENTRY BUT GETTING TO THE ENTRY. SO, SO THE ROADWAY ELEMENT IS, IS REALLY A CRITICAL FUNCTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
OKAY. WELL THAT LEADS TO MY NEXT QUESTION THEN I HAVE ONE MORE, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR. AND THAT IS I DIDN'T SEE ANYWHERE, MAYBE I MISSED IT.
THE OPPORTUNITY WHILE WE'RE GOING TO BE ISSUING BONDS AND ALL THE OTHER WAYS THAT WE'RE GOING TO FINANCE THIS, THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUE THAT WE MISSED WHEN DART DID THE, YOU KNOW, THE TRAINS BEFORE, WE MISSED THAT.
AND SO NOW, IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD IN WAYS THAT COULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO GET THERE? THAT IS AN ELEMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO AS WE CONTINUE TO REFINE THESE, WE WILL LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, DEDICATED ROADWAYS.
YOU KNOW, TRANSIT SOLUTIONS THAT ARE FEASIBLE.
RIGHT NOW WITH THE CIP, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE AIRLINES.
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WE'RE LOOKING AT REALLY THEIR AIRLINE COST CENTER ITEMS THAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR.BUT THIS PROGRAM THAT YOU'LL SEE AS WE GO INTO NEXT YEAR AND IT GETS REFINED, YOU'LL START TO SEE SOME MORE OF THE, THE, THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE COMING INTO PLAY. POTENTIAL NEW TECHNOLOGIES, AUTOMATED TRANSIT, THINGS LIKE THAT WILL LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES THERE.
GREAT. AND THEN FINALLY OF THIS SCREENING CRITERIA.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY OF THE PROBLEMS I GUESS ULTIMATELY THEY DO.
BUT HOW MUCH OF IT IS ACTUALLY FEWER OR MORE PASSENGERS? SO ESPECIALLY LIKE FROM A SOUTHWEST PERSPECTIVE, LIKE WHICH ARE THE THINGS THAT MAKE THAT THAT DRIVE OR REDUCE REVENUE FOR YOU ALL SO THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE YOU SOUTHWEST ARE MORE WILLING TO INVEST IN DALLAS, INVEST IN THIS AIRPORT BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE REVENUE BECAUSE THERE'S MORE PASSENGER DEMAND.
AND WHEN YOU COME DOWN, IF YOU'LL SAY YOUR NAME AND WHO YOU WORK FOR IS THAT WAY, THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT'S WATCHING, IT'S ON THE RECORD JUST TO BE CONSISTENT.
GOOD AFTERNOON, STEVE CISNEROS I'M VICE PRESIDENT, AIRPORT AFFAIRS FOR SOUTHWEST AIRLINES.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SOME OF THE DRIVERS BEHIND OUR CONVERSATIONS ON THE MASTER PLAN WITH PATRICK AND HIS TEAM HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON THE OPERATION, BUT ALSO THE CONGESTION WITHIN THE FACILITY.
AND WE'RE LOOKING TO HOW TO INCREMENTALLY ADD MORE TO IT.
AND THESE IMPROVEMENTS ON RESTROOM CAPACITY AND CONCESSIONS JUST GET SO CONSTRAINED.
AND THEN REALLY, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT FROM A WEATHER, SAY, WEATHER, AND YOU HAVE A REGULAR OPERATIONS AND THEN YOU HAVE AIRPLANES ON THE GROUND AND AIR TRAFFIC DELAYS, IT JUST COMPOUNDS THOSE PROBLEMS. SO THESE INITIATIVES THAT WERE FOCUSED ON ARE TO IMPROVE THAT OVERALL EXPERIENCE SO THAT WE CAN DRIVE.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU ALL.
THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART.
I AM JUST PROCESSING ALL OF THIS, AND IT ALL LOOKS GREAT.
AND IT MAKES SENSE. IT'S BEGINNING TO MAKE SENSE I SHOULD SAY THAT.
SO ALTERNATIVE A HAS THE MOST HEARTS, WE'LL JUST SAY THAT BUT I THINK YOU WERE WHAT YOU WERE DISCUSSING WITH COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ IS THAT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HELP WITH OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY OR PASSENGER EXPERIENCE.
IS THAT WHERE WE'RE HEADED? THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ENVISION.
AND THERE'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, USUALLY WITH THAT THE THE COSTS ARE SIGNIFICANT HIGHER.
SO YES, I THINK YOU COULD SEE ELEMENTS FROM ALL FOUR OF THESE.
I WOULDN'T BE SHOCKED TO TO SEE THAT.
THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR GRACEY YIELD THE FLOOR.
YES. ALL OF THIS SOUNDS WONDERFUL.
AND I GUESS JUST FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES.
AGAIN, YOU TALKED ABOUT IT, AND YOU MAY HAVE MENTIONED IT IN ONE OF THREE OTHER BRIEFINGS, PERHAPS, BUT JUST SO WE CAN MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THIS, WHEN YOU TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE GENERAL, GARBS.
GENERAL AVIATION REVENUE BONDS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AND THEY'RE BACKED BY REVENUE GENERATED FROM THE AIRPORT ENTERPRISE FUND.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT A BIG CHUNK OF THAT IS WHAT THE AIRLINES PAY TO OPERATE HERE, PARKING REVENUE, CONCESSION REVENUE THAT MAKES UP THE BULK OF IT.
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RATING. SO WE HAVE GARBS CURRENTLY ON SOME OF OUR DEBT.AND WE WOULD ANTICIPATE, YOU KNOW, A VERY POSITIVE RESPONSE FROM THE RATING AGENCIES ON THIS.
PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
MR. ATKINS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR NEXT.
YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU.
PATRICK, THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO MEET WITH US ABOUT THIS INDIVIDUALLY.
I THINK I ASKED A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS THEN, BUT I WILL JUST SAY PUBLICLY THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THESE OPTIONS, JUST A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED THAT EVEN YOUR THE FEEDBACK YOU'RE GETTING FROM YOUR CONSUMER GROUP PERHAPS DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WE SAW WITH RIDE SHARE. AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT LAYOUTS MODEL A, OPTION A LOOKS THE MOST ADVANTAGEOUS TO ME. AND I LIKE IT BECAUSE GROUND TRANSPORTATION IS ON THE APRON LEVEL AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE MOST DIRECT ROUTE FOR THE CUSTOMER. OPTION B WITH GROUND TRANSPORTATION IN THE BASEMENT, I JUST FEEL LIKE WHEN YOU LAND IN DALLAS AND YOU HAVE TO GO INTO THE BASEMENT OF A PARKING GARAGE.
OPTION C AND D HAVE AND ALSO FOR B, THE TICKETING IS VERY FAR FROM PARKING GARAGE C. SO OPTION C AND D, B SEEMS WAY TOO COMPLEX WITH HAVING SOME OF THE GATES SEPARATED FROM THE FOUR GATES SEPARATED FROM THE OTHER 16.
AND I'M NOT SURE HOW RETAIL WOULD BE ABLE TO COALESCE AROUND THAT.
IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A VERY GOOD MODEL TO ME.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT EXPERIENCE, THAT ADVICE OR INPUT PUBLICLY.
AND I HOPE THAT WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE, YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THAT FOR MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN DALLAS, THE KEY FOR LOVE FIELD IS THAT IT'S HIGHLY CONVENIENT.
BUT IF IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT OR LONG WALK, IT MIGHT BE EASIER TO GO TO DFW.
SO HOPE YOU'LL KEEP THAT TOP OF MIND.
THE OTHER THING I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IS CLEANLINESS IN GENERAL AND THAT INCLUDES THE AIRLINE PIECE.
AND YOU KNOW, JUST JUST KEEPING THINGS REALLY, REALLY CLEAN AND FRESH IS, I THINK, REALLY IMPORTANT AS MUCH AS HAVING EXTRA SPACE.
I WAS ACTUALLY AT LOVE FIELD THIS MORNING AND IT WAS FULL.
SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR CONSIDERING ALL THESE OPTIONS.
I THINK THERE'S OPERATIONAL THINGS THAT ARE PROBABLY BEYOND THE COUNCIL DECISION LEVEL, BUT I DO THINK WE CAN BE FEEDBACK TO YOU ON AN EXPERIENCE LEVEL FROM THE CUSTOMER SIDE.
AND I JUST HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT C AND D, BUT I THINK YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH A AND B.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
COUNCIL MEMBER RESENDEZ YOU HAVE THE FLOOR AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I DO JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
IN TERMS OF THE REFINEMENT OF THE SHORTLISTED ALTERNATIVES THE STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK, WILL IT BE GOING BACK TO THE STAKEHOLDER ADVISORY GROUPS OR WILL THERE ALSO BE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC OPEN HOUSES? YES, THERE WILL BE, I THINK AT LEAST TWO MORE STAKEHOLDER ADVISORY GROUPS AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO MEET ONE ON ONE WITH SOME OF THE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS. AND THEN ALSO THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING TO TO TAKE FEEDBACK FROM THERE BEFORE THIS IS FINALIZED AND PRESENTED AS A RECOMMENDED ALTERNATIVE.
RIGHT. THE FOLKS THAT ARE ACTUALLY UTILIZING THE AIRPORT DAY TO DAY OPERATE THE THE PEOPLE FLYING.
AND WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO MAKE THEIR EXPERIENCE THE BEST, RIGHT? AND, YOU KNOW, I SEE THINGS AT DIFFERENT AIRPORTS.
AND PAT PATRICK GETS IT ALL FOR ME.
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YOU KNOW, I TELL HIM THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY AT EVERY AIRPORT.IT'S MOSTLY UGLY AND LIKE, DON'T EVER LET THIS HAPPEN TO DALLAS LOVE FIELD.
AND HE'S LIKE, I WOULD NEVER LET THAT HAPPEN.
YOU KNOW, WE DID HAVE THE BUBBLE WITH THE THE RIDESHARE, BUT IT WAS ALL TO GET TO HERE.
IT JUST WE HAD TO DO WHAT WE HAD TO DO.
THEN AT THAT TIME BECAUSE OF GARAGE A.
AND WE DON'T WANT ANY ACCIDENTS HAPPENING THERE.
BUT BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, [INAUDIBLE].
IT'S JUST WE GOT TO FIX THIS OR WE GOT TO FIX THAT.
I LOVE IT, RIGHT? CONSTRUCTION SUCKS.
BUT THEN WHEN IT'S DONE, IT'S AMAZING.
AND I'VE ALSO LIVED THROUGH A GROCERY STORE REMODEL AS A TEENAGER.
AND JUST IMAGINE NOT KNOWING WHERE THE KETCHUP IS EVERY DAY YOU WALK IN AND SOMEBODY ASKS YOU WHERE THE KETCHUP IS, RIGHT? AND YOU'RE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE MOVED IT TODAY, RIGHT? BUT THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON ARE SO IMPORTANT.
THE CONCESSIONS, THE BATHROOMS, OBVIOUSLY.
AND IT WAS JUST LIKE, OH, MY GOSH, WE, LIKE, FILLED IT ALREADY AND WE HAD NOWHERE TO GO.
YOU'RE NOT SITTING THERE WAITING.
NOW, IT IS TOUGH BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON WHO'S RUNNING LATE IS LIKE, AHH DON'T CLOSE THAT DOOR, RIGHT? BUT IT'S LIKE, THAT PLANE WILL TAKE OFF, AND YOU GUYS ARE REALLY GOOD AT TURNING THOSE, THOSE.
BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE SOUTHWEST IS SO AMAZING AND COOL.
LIKE, THEY'LL LET ME GET ON THE NEXT FLIGHT, RIGHT? SO BECAUSE THEY HAVE SUCH AN AMAZING SYSTEM, DON'T CHANGE IT TOO MUCH.
I'M JUST LIKE AS A CONSUMER, DON'T CHANGE IT TOO, TOO MUCH.
BUT I THINK THE CHANGES THAT ARE COMING ARE GOING TO BE POSITIVE.
I WANT TO DO AN ANNOUNCEMENT BECAUSE WE ARE HERE AND WE'VE GOT PATRICK HERE AND IT'S COMING UP.
LAST WEEK, DALLAS LOVE FIELD AIRPORT WAS THE RECIPIENT FROM THE INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT REVIEW AS THE MOST ACCESSIBLE OF THE MOST ACCESSIBLE AIRPORT AWARD.
AND THAT IS A TESTAMENT TO EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE.
AND THANK YOU, PATRICK, AND YOUR TEAM AT DALLAS LOVE FIELD.
YOU ALL ARE TO BE COMMENDED FROM US AS WELL.
SO WE I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT Y'ALL COME UP WITH FOR THE FINAL OR THE FINAL TWO OR WHATEVER, BUT DEFINITELY LET'S GET THAT CONSUMER INPUT, WHICH I KNOW YOU'RE DOING AND WORKING ON.
SO THIS JUST SHOWS WHY IT'S THE BEST.
NEXT WE HAVE BRIEFING ITEM C, THE 2024 LONG RANGE WATER SUPPLY PLAN UPDATE.
AND THIS WILL BE ON OUR CITY COUNCIL AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24-3164.
NEXT WEEK ON I MEAN ON DECEMBER 11TH.
YEP. NEXT WEEK ON WEDNESDAY OR NO, THIS WEEK.
SARAH STANDIFER, DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DALLAS WATER UTILITIES, IS HERE TO PRESENT TO US.
GOOD AFTERNOON, SARAH STANDIFER DALLAS WATER UTILITIES.
WITH ME TODAY IS MATT PINK, OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR OVER OUR CAPITAL PROGRAMS, AND DENNIS QUARLES, OUR PROGRAM MANAGER THAT IS OVER OUR LONG RANGE WATER SUPPLY PLAN AND ALSO SITS ON THE REGION C STATE WATER SUPPLY PLAN GROUP.
IT IS A STATE MANDATED PROCESS WE'RE GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH RELATIVELY QUICKLY ON KIND OF THE SUPPLY AND WHERE IT COMES FROM, WHO WE'RE SUPPLYING AND HOW WE COME TO RECOMMEND, AND ALTERNATE STRATEGIES.
SLIDE THREE IS JUST A REMINDER OF THE OVERVIEW.
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SO DALLAS WATER UTILITIES WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE CHARTER IN 1881.WE'RE GOVERNED BY A NUMBER OF CITY CODES.
WE ARE A REGIONAL PROVIDER OF WATER, WASTEWATER AND DRAINAGE SERVICES, AND OUR VALUE OF OUR ASSETS IS A LITTLE OVER 6 BILLION, AND THE REVENUES ARE SUPPORTED BY OUR RATE BASE CUSTOMERS, BOTH ON A RETAIL AND WHOLESALE BASIS.
AND AS YOU MOVE FORWARD ON THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE TODAY? WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE SINCE WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WATER SUPPLY.
I'LL FOCUS MAINLY ON THE WATER PIECES.
WE HAVE SEVEN RESERVOIRS, SIX OF WHICH ARE CONNECTED ABOUT 5,000 MILES OF PIPELINE RIGHT NOW.
AND WE HAVE 23 PUMP STATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH WATER SUPPLY, 10 ELEVATED AND 12 GROUND STORAGE TANKS.
ON SLIDE FIVE THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU A BREAKDOWN.
STARTING BACK IN THE 1930S WHEN WE BEGAN A CUSTOMER BASE WITH PARK CITIES AND THROUGH CARROLLTON AND OUR ELLIS COUNTY WATER DISTRICTS THAT ARE ALL PART OF OUR SYSTEM THAT WE'RE OBLIGATED TO SUPPLY.
SO WATER PLANNING ACROSS THE STATE IS A BOTTOM UP PROCESS.
WE ARE PUT INTO REGIONAL WATER SUPPLY GROUPS BASED ON HOW WE WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
SO WE WE DEVELOP THESE AT A LOCAL LEVEL.
THEY ROLL INTO THE REGIONAL PLANNING GROUPS.
THE REGIONAL PLANNING GROUPS ROLL INTO A STATE PLAN THAT IS ULTIMATELY APPROVED BY THE LEGISLATURE.
SO THE CYCLE THAT WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW IS THE UPDATE FROM THE 2014 PLANNING CYCLE.
SO REGION C KIND OF AN UPDATE FOR YOU ALL IS 16 COUNTIES REPRESENTS ABOUT 7.7 MILLION PEOPLE TODAY.
IT'S 26% OF THE STATE'S POPULATION.
AND YOU KIND OF THINK THAT TRINITY RIVER BASIN IS THE AREAS THAT WE'RE IN WITH REGION C, THERE'S 23 MAJOR RESERVOIRS AND 90% OF THE DEMAND FOR THE REGION THAT WE REPRESENT IS MET THROUGH SURFACE WATER.
THAT'S NOT THE CASE ACROSS ALL OF THE STATE, BUT WE ARE DRIVEN PRIMARILY BY SURFACE WATER.
YOU KNOW, THE LAST OF THE RESERVOIRS WERE REALLY KIND OF THOSE 50 TO 60, 70 TIMEFRAME.
BUT THEY ARE VERY DIFFICULT AND THEY'RE LENGTHY TO DEVELOP.
SO THOSE WERE IN THAT CYCLE, AGAIN, WHERE THERE'S A LIMITED NUMBER OF RESERVOIR SITES THAT ARE SUITABLE ACROSS THE STATE, AND WE NEED TO GET THESE DEMANDS MET AS WE MOVE INTO 2080. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE HORIZON THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THIS PLAN.
AND WHEN WE WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS WE'RE LOOKING AT FIRM YIELDS.
SO THAT'S HOW MUCH CAN WE GET OUT ON A DROUGHT DAY.
IT'S THE MAX AMOUNT THAT WE CAN GET OUT.
WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT A RANKING SYSTEM.
SO WE'RE LOOKING ACROSS THE BOARD OF HOW WE IMPACT OTHER COMMUNITIES.
AND IS IT LIKELIHOOD IS IT LIKELY THAT WE CAN EVEN IMPLEMENT THE SOLUTIONS? SOME SOLUTIONS ARE JUST NOT IMPLEMENTABLE.
AND THEN WHERE DOES THE COST LIE? YOU'VE GOT TO BOTH LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT COSTS AND THEN THE LONG TERM O&M COSTS, YOU KNOW, ELECTRICITY BRINGING THINGS PUMPING UPHILL, THOSE GET EXPENSIVE.
AND SO THAT ALL FACTORS INTO THE OVERALL PROCESS.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT WE LOOK AT IS THAT WE HAVE A HISTORY.
AND ONE OF THE LEADERS IN THE STATE WITH WORKING WITH OTHER REGIONAL WATER SUPPLY PARTNERS SO THAT WE CAN BRING THAT SUPPLY IN AT A COST THAT'S MORE EFFECTIVE BOTH TO DALLAS AND TO THE REGION AS WE WORK WITH THOSE PROVIDERS, AND THINGS ARE NOT GOING TO BE LESS EXPENSIVE.
THEY'RE GOING TO GET MORE EXPENSIVE.
AND ACROSS THE STATE, YOU'LL SEE ALL OF US BEGIN TO WORK IN EVEN MORE CONTRACTUAL TYPE PROCESSES.
2024 SLIDE. ON THE NEXT SLIDE WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR SUPPLY.
REMEMBER THE LAST ONE WE DID WAS 2014.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SITTING AT ABOUT 180 GALLONS PER DAY PER PERSON.
SO THE NEXT SLIDE, A COUPLE OF OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE LOOKED AT.
CLIMATE CHANGE IS A BIG ISSUE WHEN IT COMES TO WATER SUPPLY.
AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A DRIVER IN OUR SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
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SO WHAT WE DID IN THIS PROCESS IS TO LOOK AT WAS THE DEGREE TEMPERATURE RISE OVER TIME.CORRECT? THEN WE LOOKED KIND OF AT AN EQUITY BASIS.
AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS IS REALLY DRIVEN OFF OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE WOULD BE DISRUPTING OR IMPACTING BOTH FROM A SOCIOECONOMIC STANDPOINT USING THE CDC SOCIAL VULNERABILITY INDEX RATINGS AS WE MOVE THROUGH THOSE TO APPLY A FACTOR.
AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE ALSO WENT INTO A PRETTY DETAILED, REFINED POPULATION PROJECTION.
SO WE USE THE TEXAS DEMOGRAPHIC CENTER.
THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY GOOD ON THE MARK.
WE LOOK AT OUR OWN CUSTOMER INFORMATION, HISTORIC POPULATION, PROJECTED FORWARDS.
NEXT SLIDE, WE'LL SHOW YOU KIND OF THE 2030 TO 2080 TIME FRAME.
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A RISE FROM ABOUT 3.5 ON OUR TOTAL POPULATION, THAT WAS IN 2014.
SO WE'RE REALLY DOUBLING WHAT WE SERVE TODAY, WHICH IS ABOUT 2.6 MILLION.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PLAN TO DOUBLE BY 2080 A LITTLE GREATER THAN THAT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR WHOLESALE CUSTOMERS ARE DRIVING A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THAT BASE OF GROWTH.
ON THE NEXT SLIDE SO WE USE DECISION MODELS CONSUMPTION BY CATEGORY, OUTDOOR VERSUS INDOOR USAGE.
YOU KNOW OVER TIME PLUMBING CODES GET BETTER.
AND THOSE ARE REQUIREMENTS THAT GO INTO PLACE SO THAT ALL FACTORS INTO IT.
FOR OUR CUSTOMER CITIES, WE USED THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD IN REGION C POPULATION PROJECTIONS.
AND WE ALSO USE SOME DATA SETS WITH ADJUSTMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED IN NOVEMBER OF 2023.
AND THEN WE KIND OF ALLOCATE BASED ON A PERCENTAGE.
SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS A LITTLE MORE ABOUT HOW WE DO OUR EVALUATION OF WHAT SUPPLY EXISTS.
WE HAVE A RIVER WEAR MODEL THAT'S A SOFTWARE THAT GIVES US DATA AND INPUTS.
AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A PERIOD OF 1907 TO 2022 FROM HYDROLOGY STANDPOINT.
AND SEDIMENT IS AN EXPENSIVE REMOVAL PROCESS.
SO AS YOU ALL HAVE HEARD ABOUT EVEN OUR LOCAL SEDIMENT ISSUES AND IN BASINS, THESE ARE NOT VERY COST EFFECTIVE MEASURES AND NOT DONE VERY FREQUENTLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY. SO ON SLIDE 17, YOU'LL KIND OF SEE HERE WHERE WE HAVE OUR SEDIMENT TEMPERATURE AND WHERE THE DIFFERENCES OCCUR.
WE LOSE YIELD BOTH IN THE SEDIMENTATION SIDE AND IN THAT RISE IN TEMPERATURE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS GIVES YOU ALL OF OUR CONNECTED SUPPLIES, TOTAL DEMAND, AND A CHART THAT WILL KIND OF EVOLVE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES SHOWING YOU WHERE WE'VE GOT TO MAKE THAT GAP UP.
SLIDE 19 IS THAT EVOLUTION OF THE SLIDE YOU JUST SAW.
SHOWS YOU OUR GAP IN MEASURES.
SO WE'VE GOT TO GET TO THAT SUPPLY.
SO ON SLIDE 20 SCORING AND RANKING KIND OF SCREENING THERE'S WHAT WE WOULD CALL HARD AND SOFT COSTS.
AND THEN THERE'S REALITY AND IMPLEMENTATION COSTS.
ALL OF THOSE FACTOR IN QUALITATIVE AND QUANTITATIVE MEASURES.
AND THEN LIKE I SAID WE DID LOOK AT DIFFERENT SOCIAL VULNERABILITY INDEXES.
SLIDE 21 WILL SHOW YOU THE DIFFERENT RANKING AND SCORINGS.
OR THEY'LL TELL YOU THE SCORES.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT RANKING HERE IN A MINUTE.
BUT THOSE FACTORS REALLY DID LOOK AT UNIT COSTS O&M COSTS, SUPPLY AVAILABLE TO DALLAS.
AND THEN CONFIDENCE IN PERMITTING BECAUSE PERMITTING IS ALSO A GREAT CHALLENGE.
THERE'S STRATEGIES THAT HAVE TO GO INTO THAT.
AND SO THOSE ALL BEGIN TO HAVE WEIGHTED FACTORS ON THEM.
SO WHERE DO WE END UP? ON SLIDE 23, YOU BEGIN TO SEE THOSE LINES OF DROUGHT DEMANDS, DAILY DEMANDS, AND WHEN THOSE NEED TO COME IN BY DECADE.
IT'S IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I CAN SAY IT.
WE'RE PROJECTING OUT TO 2080, BECAUSE THAT IS HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET WATER SUPPLY BROUGHT ON.
AND IT IS NOT AN INEXPENSIVE ADVENTURE, SO THINGS NEED TO BE PLANNED ACCORDINGLY.
SLIDE 24 IS GOING TO GIVE YOU OUR RECOMMENDED STRATEGIES.
SO WE WILL USE KIND OF MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
THAT'S WHAT THAT NUMBER REPRESENTS.
SO WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, A TOTAL NEED OF SUPPLY AND THEN WE'VE GOT RANKINGS.
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SO AS WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL CONSERVATION MEASURES WE WILL PICK SOME UP OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL DECADES, BUT IT WILL NOT GET US EVERYWHERE THAT WE NEED TO BE.YOU'VE GOT THE INTEGRATED PIPELINE PROJECT THAT WE'VE ALREADY INVESTED IN TODAY.
WE NEED TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION FROM THAT PIPELINE INTO DALLAS.
AND WE ARE KICKING OFF THE FINAL FEASIBILITY OF THE ALIGNMENT FROM THAT PIPELINE INTO DALLAS.
SO WHERE DO WE BRING IT INTO THE SYSTEM AS ONE FINAL DUE DILIGENCE CHECK BEFORE WE MAKE SOME MAJOR INVESTMENTS? WE'VE GOT A MAINSTEM BALANCING RESERVOIR.
YOU'VE GOT SOME CONJUNCTIVE USES.
YOU'VE GOT A RUN OF A RIVER OR LAKE COLUMBIA.
SO THERE'S KIND OF AN EITHER OR STRATEGY AS THAT MOVES FORWARD.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE SECOND PART OF AN OFF CHANNEL RESERVOIR THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
SO AS WE LOOK AT THAT YOU CAN MAKE THOSE UP THROUGHOUT 2080.
YOU'LL SEE EACH ONE WHEN IT NEEDS TO COME ONLINE.
WE ALSO HAVE ALTERNATE SUPPLY RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO ALTERNATE SUPPLY RECOMMENDATIONS ARE NOT OFF THE TABLE.
THEY MAY BE A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING, BUT THEY MAY COME IN AND OUT DEPENDING ON PARTNERS.
SOMEBODY BUYS A RESERVOIR SITE LANDS, SOMEBODY DOES A PIPELINE ALIGNMENT, THEY PURCHASE LAND.
WE CAN'T GET IT. THERE IS AN ISSUE THAT OCCURS.
AND THEN SLIDES 26 AND 27 AND 28 ARE ITEMS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE IN ORDER FOR THESE TO COME ON.
SO THESE ARE PLANNED INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM IMPROVEMENTS.
SOME OF THEM ARE MAINTENANCE AND REHAB.
SOME ARE NEW ITEMS. THESE ARE TYPICALLY AND ALWAYS FUNDED IN OUR TEN YEAR CAPITAL PLAN AS PART OF OUR NORMAL BUDGETING PROCESS.
SO THESE ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR SUPPLY COSTS BUT DO HAVE TO COME ONLINE.
THEY'RE ALSO DOCUMENTED IN THIS BECAUSE WE WILL USE THE LONG RANGE WATER SUPPLY PLAN AS A TOOL FOR THE GENERATIONS THAT KEEP COMING ON, SO THEY CAN CHECKMARK AS THEY MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS.
ASSUMING THAT YOU DO MAKE THAT ADOPTION.
THESE WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE REGION C PLANNING GROUP IN 2025 JANUARY TIME FRAME.
SO AT THIS TIME WE CAN TAKE QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE SOME.
I'M SARAH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
SO MR. RESENDEZ YOU HAVE THE FLOOR FIRST.
THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
THANKS. CAN YOU TALK TO US JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN DEMAND FOR OUTDOOR VERSUS INDOOR WATER CONSUMPTION? SO WHEN WE LOOK AT INDOOR AND OUTDOOR OUTDOOR, AS THE TEMPERATURES GET WARMER OUTDOOR CONSUMPTION IS A HIGHER LEVEL.
WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PRIDE OURSELVES ON AS A CITY IS THAT THE COUNCIL AND YOU ALL CONTINUE AND REMAIN TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF TWICE A WEEK WATERING, WATERING TIME OF DAY WATERING STRATEGIES THAT BRING THAT USAGE DOWN.
THE OTHER PIECE IS, YOU KNOW, AS THE PLUMBING CODES AND THAT CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, NEW SPRINKLER SYSTEMS ARE MORE EFFECTIVE THAN OLDER SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. WE OFFER SOME REBATE PROGRAMS, AND WE ALWAYS COME OUT AND DO SOME LEAK ADJUSTMENT TESTING FOR EVERYBODY AND TRY TO HELP EVERYBODY GET THEIR LEAKS AND SYSTEMS UP AND FUNCTIONING APPROPRIATELY. ARE THERE ANY MEASURES THAT ARE BEING TAKEN TO MANAGE INCREASING DEMAND FROM WHOLESALE CUSTOMERS? SO THE STATE REQUIRES THAT ALL THE WHOLESALE CUSTOMERS HAVE A WATER CONSERVATION PLAN THAT IS ADOPTED EVERY FIVE YEARS.
CONTRACTUALLY, WE CANNOT REQUIRE THEM TO IMPLEMENT TIME OF DAY WATERING OR TWICE WEEKLY.
HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE SEVERAL CUSTOMER MEETINGS A YEAR WITH THEM.
WE DID A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS THIS SUMMER AND AGAIN THIS FALL ABOUT ENCOURAGING THOSE COMMUNITIES TO ADOPT SIMILAR STRATEGIES THAT WE HAVE WITH TIME OF DAY AND TWICE WEEKLY, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ENFORCEMENT CAPABILITIES TO DO SO.
SO I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO SIT IN WITH YOU, WITH YOUR REGENCY COLLEAGUES FOR A WATER PRESENTATION.
WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL FOR COST SHARING ACTIVITIES FOR DEVELOPING ADDITIONAL RESOURCES WITH THE REST OF THE REGENCY? SO IN ALL OF OUR REGIONAL WATER PLANS THAT WILL ROLL IN, MANY OF US HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT STRATEGIES.
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WE ALSO HAVE A TRIPARTITE AGREEMENT RIGHT NOW THAT'S LOOKING AT MAXIMIZING OUR EXISTING SUPPLY AND FUTURE SUPPLIES WITH THOSE REGIONAL PROVIDERS.ARE YOU EXPECTING THAT COULD HAPPEN? SO IN OUR PLAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE DO HAVE A STRATEGY THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME DESALINATION.
IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF IT'S NOT DIFFERENT IN THE STRATEGY AND HOW IT'S APPLIED.
BUT THERE IS A LOT OF CONVERSATION AT THE STATE LEVEL RIGHT NOW ABOUT DESALINATION, DESALINATION OUT OF THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE STATE AND ALSO THE COASTAL REGIONS, AS WELL AS THE ONE SUPPLY STRATEGY THAT WE HAVE LOCATED IN HERE.
I THINK THAT EVERYTHING IS ON THE TABLE.
OKAY. SO I JUST HAVE TWO MORE QUESTIONS.
ONE OF THEM IS SO THE WATER PLANS ARE ALL PUT IN PLACE TO SORT OF MITIGATE THE RISK OF A DROUGHT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS PLAN, DO YOU FEEL LIKE WE STILL HAVE A BIG RISK OF A DROUGHT AND THAT WE'RE PREPARED TO DEAL WITH IT? SO WATER SUPPLY PLANNING IN AND OF ITSELF IS BASED ON A DROUGHT OF RECORD.
SO THERE'S ALWAYS THE ACCOMMODATION OF THE DROUGHT AND NEEDING THAT MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF WATER.
AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE IN THAT.
I WILL NEVER TELL YOU THAT WE WON'T HAVE A DROUGHT.
WE CAME OUT OF A DROUGHT IN 2010, 2015 TIME FRAME IN MY 22 YEARS HERE AND IN DENNIS'S 30 IN THERE, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE EBB AND FLOW BETWEEN DROUGHTS AND THEN PERIODS OF EXCESSIVE RAIN.
AND I THINK THAT YOU CAN SEE THE HYDROLOGIC MODELS INDICATE THAT AS WELL.
SO WE WON'T WE WON'T SCATHE WITHOUT A DROUGHT.
AND THERE'S A DROUGHT, YOU KNOW, IN A DIFFERENT PART OF THE STATE RIGHT NOW.
SO OF COURSE WE'LL HAVE A DROUGHT, BUT WE HAVE A LOT MORE PEOPLE NOW.
AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE TO BUILD THIS TO PROVIDE SUFFICIENT WATER, BUT DO YOU THINK OUR RISK LEVEL HAS ALSO GONE UP JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY MORE PEOPLE AND INDUSTRIES? I'M NOT SURE IF I WOULD CONSIDER IT A RISK LEVEL AS MUCH AS IT IS YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT SLIDE 23, WHEN WE'VE GOT OUR CURVE, WE'RE PLANNING FOR A DROUGHT BASED ON THOSE POPULATION NEEDS.
SO TWICE AS MANY PEOPLE, CHANGES IN POPULATION CHANGES IN LAND USE CHANGES USAGE.
AND THEN THAT WE ALSO HAVE THE SUPPLY AVAILABLE.
SO WE'RE PLANNING FOR THAT DROUGHT OF RECORD TO OCCUR IN THE WATER SUPPLY PLANNING.
SO I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE SUPPLY ASSUMING THE STRATEGIES ARE ABLE TO BE IMPLEMENTED.
THIS LONG RANGE WATER PLANNING IS DONE ON A TEN YEAR HORIZON.
SO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE SEE HAPPENING IN 2080 WILL ALSO CONTINUE TO EVOLVE OUR PLANNING AS NEW INFORMATION COMES FORWARD IN THIS TEN YEAR HORIZON.
WELL, I JUST WANT TO SAY, SARAH, IT'S A VERY INTERESTING PLAN.
I ACTUALLY REALLY ENJOYED READING YOUR REPORT.
AND IT'S SUCH A VITAL PART OF OUR CITY.
MY MY LAST QUESTION FOR YOU IS JUST HOW MANY PEOPLE PARTICIPATED IN THE REQUIRED PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ELEMENT OF THIS? IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S KIND OF A SPECIALIZED.
SO FROM A PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PROCESS WE HAD SOME ONLINE CALLERS.
DURING A DROUGHT CONDITION PEOPLE PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO THESE.
OKAY. BUT SO YOU DIDN'T SAY HOW MANY PEOPLE PROVIDED.
SO THERE'S LESS THAN HALF A DOZEN THAT PROVIDED ANY COMMENT.
30 OR 40 CITY STAFF PROVIDED LOTS OF COMMENTS.
RIGHT. BUT GENERAL PUBLIC WISE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT VERY LIMITED POPULATION THAT PROVIDED ANY COMMENT.
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WELL, OKAY.WE CAN'T WE CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT IT.
THANKS. THANK YOU, MR. ATKINS YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
YES. THANK YOU, SARAH, FOR THE PRESENTATION.
SO THE PROJECT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN A PORTION, I DO NOT HAVE THE SLIDE WITH ME, BUT WE CAN GET YOU THE ACTUAL SEGMENT BY SEGMENT MAP. THERE WILL ALSO BE A BOND SALE THAT TARRANT REGIONAL WILL DO IN THE SPRING FOR ABOUT 400 MILLION.
THAT WILL THEN FUND THE LAST LEG OF THE DALLAS ONLY PORTION.
SO SO THEREFORE, DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH INVESTMENT HAVE WE PUT INTO THAT TARRANT COUNTY WATER PLAN? HOW MUCH ARE WE GOING TO PUT INTO THAT? WE'RE AT ABOUT 800 MILLION INTO THAT PROJECT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
I THOUGHT WE WERE LIKE 1.2, 1.4 BILLION.
SO THAT'LL END UP BEING THE TOTAL.
THAT'S THE TOTAL ESTIMATED COST FROM THE ORIGINAL INTEGRATED PIPELINE PROJECT.
SO I TOLD INVESTMENT WOULD BE AT COMPLETION, HOW MUCH? A LITTLE LESS THAN 2 BILLION AT COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT IN THE 2030 TO 2040 TIME FRAME.
YOU SAID 1.9, RIGHT AROUND 1 BILLION 900 2 BILLION.
YOU'LL BE CLOSE TO 2 BILLION OR YOU SAID 2 BILLION.
I SUSPECT WE'LL BE CLOSE TO 2 BILLION WHEN WE COMPLETE THE PROJECT, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES THAT WILL OCCUR OUT IN THE FUTURE AND THOSE ESTIMATES IN $2,023 ARE RIGHT UNDER 600 MILLION.
AND AND TO DO THAT TO ROM PALESTINE TARRANT COUNTY RESIDENTS WOULD BE USING THAT WATER BEFORE DALLAS RESIDENTS. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. AS IT WAS ALWAYS PLANNED, THEY WOULD HAVE A PORTION OF THEIR SUPPLY IN ADVANCE OF WHAT WE WOULD THEN CONNECT.
RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO WHAT IS THE TIMELINE WHEN TARRANT COUNTY RESIDENT WILL RECEIVE WATER? AND WHEN WOULD DALLAS RESIDENT RECEIVE WATER? THE TARRANT REGIONAL WATER DISTRICT IS PROVIDING WATER FROM THE PIPELINE TODAY.
OUR RESIDENTS WILL RECEIVE WATER FROM THAT PIPELINE IN THE 2030 TO 2040 TIMEFRAME.
OKAY. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING.
I LOOKED AT THE DRAFT, AND I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WATER SUPPLY WE GET FROM OTHER SOURCES AND LAKE PALESTINE IS THE SOURCE WE'RE TRYING TO GET THERE, BUT ITS GOING TO GET TO TARRANT COUNTY BEFORE THEY GET TO DALLAS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE WHEREAS TODAY THAT WE KNOW THAT WE DO MAYBE HAVE A WATER SHORTAGE, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE A WATER SHORTAGE, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT A LONG RANGE PLAN. BUT WE DO KNOW WE DO HAVE A PLAN, BUT TARRANT COUNTY IS GOING TO RECEIVE THAT BENEFIT FIRST.
SECOND, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY MEMBERS ON THAT BOARD OF TARRANT COUNTY TARRANT COUNTY REGION.
THAT'S CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT.
AND IS ANY REASON WHY WE CANNOT PUT SOMEONE ON THE BOARD ON THAT PARTICULAR BOARD? SO THEY ARE A STATE WATER DISTRICT UNDER A STATE AUTHORITY.
THEY HAVE THEIR OWN GOVERNING AND ELECTION PROCESS.
WE DO ATTEND THE BOARD MEETINGS, AND WE ARE PART OF ALL OF THE PROJECT PLANNING MEETINGS.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE CONTRACT THAT REQUIRES A NUMBER OF STEPS BETWEEN THE TWO AGENCIES.
YOU KNOW, WE JUST ATTEND THE BOARD MEETING.
AND THAT'S STILL MY SAME CONCERN AS DAY ONE.
WE START WITH 800 MILLION AND NOW WE ADD 2 BILLION.
AND WE DO NOT HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE BOARD OR SOMEONE WHO HAS A MOUTHPIECE FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
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SO I'M ONLY ASKING THAT WE DEFINITELY GET SOMEONE ON THAT BOARD AND LEGISLATIVE MRS. MENDELSOHN DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN DO IT, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE ON THE BOARD TO LOOK AT OUR $2 BILLION INVESTMENT.IT STARTED OUT WITH 800 MILLION, NOW UP TO 2 BILLION.
AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A WATER SUPPLIES OR WATER CRISIS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
WE DO NOT MAKE ANY DECISION ON THAT BOARD.
IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? COULD THAT HAPPEN? MR. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M GOING TO ASK LEGAL TO GET BACK TO US ON THIS BECAUSE THIS IS THIS IS LEGAL.
SO AND I DON'T THINK SARAH IS QUALIFIED TO MAKE THAT ANSWER.
SO IF OUR LEGAL TEAM AND WE'LL GET THE INFORMATION TO THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE ON HOW THE THAT WATER BOARD WORKS AND WHAT IT TAKES TO POSSIBLY GET A REPRESENTATIVE OR WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE SO THAT WE ALL KNOW THE PROCESS AS WELL.
BECAUSE IF THE CITY IS INVESTING SO MUCH.
CHAIRMAN, A GREAT I'M JUST LOOKING AT NUMBERS.
YES. WE START WITH 800 MILLION.
I BROUGHT THIS UP TWO YEARS AGO, AND WE WE PUT A BIG INVESTMENT INTO THIS, AND I THINK WE SHOULD DESERVE A ANSWER FOR OUR TAXPAYERS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WATER BILL, ESPECIALLY FROM LAKE PALESTINE.
THAT'S MY CONCERN. I JUST WANT ON THE RECORD.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE IS SO IMPORTANT.
BUT WE CAN BE AND I MRS. MENDELSOHN IS OKAY WITH US LOOKING AT THAT WHEN, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LEGISLATIVE IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING, I'M DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO PUT THAT THROUGH THE COMMITTEE OR WHATEVER.
WE NEED TO DO A LEGISLATIVE AD HOC SO THAT WE CAN IF WE'RE ALL ON BOARD AS A COUNCIL.
SO BUT YEAH, IF WE'RE SPENDING $2 BILLION, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF A SAY SO.
BUT THE ONLY THING I WAS BRINGING IT UP.
YOU KNOW, I HOLD THIS PROJECT UP MANY YEARS AGO, WE STARTED WITH 800 MILLION.
WE DID NOT HAVE ANYONE GOING TO THOSE BOARD MEETINGS MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.
WE STARTED PUTTING SOMEBODY GOING TO THE BOARD MEETING.
WE CANNOT DO. SO I'M JUST ASKING THE CHAIR JUST CHECK INTO IT, THAT'S ALL.
AND THEN ALSO ASK OUR LEGAL TEAM IF THEY CAN LOOK AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF AN ILA/MOU WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE IN ON ALL THIS? I'M SURE THERE IS. THERE IS.
WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN REVISIT IT, AND WE'LL PROVIDE YOU GUYS WITH THE CONTRACTUAL DOCUMENTS THAT YOU AUTHORIZED FOR US TO ENTER INTO, WHICH SETS UP THE PROJECT DELIVERY TEAM, ALL OF THE MILESTONES AND MARKERS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO DELIVER.
AND THEN THEY WILL ONLY ISSUE THIS LAST TRANCHE OF FUNDING OF THE 40 MILLION IN THE SPRING TO MAKE THE CONNECTION ON THE PIPELINE, THE REMAINING ABOUT 5-600 MILLION WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE AN ADDITIONAL DALLAS EXPENSE.
IT WILL BE ISSUED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS TO MAKE THE CONNECTION TO OUR CUSTOMER BASE.
VERY GOOD. MR. CHAIR, YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR.
NO, THAT'S ALL. JUST UPDATE THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT AND WE'LL I'LL ASK FOR A TIMELINE ON WHEN WE CAN COME BACK ON THE FORECAST TO COME BACK WITH THIS INFORMATION FOR THE COMMITTEE, BECAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT THAT WAY YOU ALL KNOW AS WELL.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR GRACEY AND YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
YES. JUST TO YOU MAY HAVE COVERED IT.
THIS IS A VERY THOROUGH PRESENTATION AND CONGRATULATIONS FOR PULLING ALL THIS TOGETHER.
AND IT'S HELPFUL FOR US TO PROCESS COMPLICATED INFORMATION WITH CHARTS AND GRAPHS AND ALL OF THAT.
ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS, WHAT'S THE, CONCEPTION RATE OF DALLAS RETAIL VERSUS DALLAS RESIDENTIAL.
AND THAT MAY BE IN HERE, AND I'VE JUST MISSED IT.
SO I'D HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
I DON'T I JUST USE IT AS A IT'S ABOUT 180 GALLONS PER DAY PER PERSON IS HOW WE LOOK AT THAT.
SORRY, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHICH ONE USES MORE.
AND THEN WHEN WE BEGIN TO LOOK AT WHICH YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY LOOKED AT WATER CONSERVATION, WHERE CAN YOU MAKE A BIGGER IMPACT? IS IT HARDER, I WONDER, AT THE RESIDENTIAL LEVEL, OR IS THAT THE EASIER SPOT? IS IT HARDER TO MOTIVATE THE RETAIL?
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BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF YOUR HUGE FOCUSES IS CONSERVATION.SO IT WAS REALLY JUST A CURIOSITY FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND WHERE OUR CHALLENGE WAS THERE.
THANK YOU. AND COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.
FIRST OF ALL, COULD YOU EXPLAIN? COULD YOU JUST REVIEW AGAIN SLIDES 18 AND 19? I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO SUPPLY, NOT THE LOCATION.
SO REALLY MORE I GUESS SLIDE 19 ON THE NEED TO SUPPLY CORRELATION.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT A NEED THESE ARE GOING TO BE BROKEN DOWN INTO MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
SO THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO RUN THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
YES. YOU NEED AN ADDITIONAL 273.5 PER DAY.
IS THAT TOTAL OR ADDITIONAL? IT'S IN ADDITION.
YEAH. SO YOU'VE GOT A DELTA THAT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE A SUPPLY AVAILABLE OF 435.
AND THEN WE NEED TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE OKAY.
GREAT. AND THEN I WANT TO UNDERSTAND ONE MORE THING BEFORE I ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
AND THE OTHER THING IS THEN ON SLIDE 24 WHEN COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THE PERCENT BUFFER OF TOTAL SUPPLIES? THAT 19.9 I'M JUST GOING TO THE END TO 2080.
THE 19.9% WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AGAIN? DO YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT? WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT IN THE LONG RANGE WATER SUPPLY PLAN, BECAUSE IT'S A DROUGHT PLAN, DROUGHT OF RECORD, WE ALSO ANTICIPATE THAT THERE COULD BE A DROUGHT WORSE THAN THE DROUGHT OF RECORD.
SO THIS THE THE BUFFER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS AS WE BRING SUPPLIES ON, THERE WILL BE MORE AVAILABLE THAN WHAT THAT LINE SHOWS WHAT OUR DEMAND LINE IS.
SO THAT'S OUR BUFFER ANYTHING ABOVE THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE ANTICIPATE ACTUALLY OVER TIME UTILIZING THAT.
BUT AS WE BRING ON SUPPLIES, WE DON'T WANT TO BRING ON A SUPPLY THE DAY IT'S NEEDED.
WE WANT TO BRING IT IN ADVANCE OF ITS NEED.
SO WE'RE GOING TO SO LET ME SEE IF I CAN SAY THIS BACK.
SO WE'RE GOING TO JUST LOOKING AT THE 2080 WE'RE GOING TO NEED APPROXIMATELY 20% MORE THAT WE WANT TO HAVE JUST IN CASE OF A WORST WORSE THAN WORST CASE SCENARIO DROUGHT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IN ESSENCE, YES.
OKAY. SO MY QUESTIONS REALLY ARE ARE ALIGNING TO TWO THINGS.
ONE IS A REALLY UNDERSTANDING AS AS CHAIR MENDELSOHN AND CHAIR STEWART REFERENCED, WHICH IS FOCUSING ON THE THE CONSERVATION PIECE OF IT.
BECAUSE TO ME THIS IS LIKE HIGHWAYS, RIGHT? IF YOU BUILD THEM THEY'RE GOING TO USE THEM.
AND SO IF WE IT'S THE SAME THING HERE RIGHT.
SO HOW HOW ARE WE INVESTING AS MUCH PARTICULARLY FOR A DROUGHT SCENARIO OF REALLY HAVING PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THEIR OWN IMPACT BOTH COMMERCIALLY AND INDIVIDUALLY ON THIS PROBLEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO FACE AND IS IT HOW MUCH OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, WATER WASTE FROM IMPERVIOUS SURFACE SERVICES SURFACES.
EXCUSE ME. SO I JUST WANT TO START WITH THE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF IT.
AND THEN I WANT TO ASK A COUPLE OF MORE QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF ACTUAL USE.
AND IT PUSHES FORWARD THOSE PROGRAMS THAT WE CURRENTLY FUND, WHETHER IT'S A THRONE FOR A NEW HOME OR TOILET PROGRAM, REBATE PROGRAMS. WE ALSO HAVE OUR INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMER REBATE PROGRAMS, WHERE WE WILL GO OUT ON SITE WITH THEM, LOOK AT WHAT THEY'RE DOING, HELP THEM WITH SOME WATER EFFICIENCIES, AND THEN PROVIDE A REBATE PROGRAM.
SO THERE'S STRATEGIES IN THERE THAT TAKE US THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
AND [INAUDIBLE], YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THIS AS A ONE WATER CONCEPT.
AND IT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE TO BE TOGETHER.
RIGHT? SO LOTS OF NEEDS TO KEEP WATER ON THE GROUND, KEEP IT IN BASINS, WHETHER IT'S YOUR OWN RECYCLED WATER SYSTEM AT HOME OR LIKE AT STEVENS, WE'VE DONE SOME PURPLE PIPE WE RUN THAT REUSE WATER OUT TO STEVENS.
SO ALL OF THOSE STRATEGIES TIE IN, AND WE MAKE THOSE INVESTMENTS ALONG THE WAY.
IT'S JUST WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE CONSERVATION IS NOT GOING TO GET US TO THE END.
WE CAN'T CONSERVE OUR WAY OUT.
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AND SO AS OUR BUILDING CODES ARE UPDATED, AS OUR DRAINAGE DESIGN MANUALS ARE UPDATED, AND THEN AS WE CONTINUE OUR WATER WISE CAMPAIGNS AND PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE. WE'RE TRYING TO REACH DIFFERENT AUDIENCES AND DIFFERENT ELEMENTS, WHETHER THEY'RE GARDENERS AND THE MASTER NATURALISTS OR THEIR CHILDREN OR BUSINESSES.SO, SARAH, LET ME ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
ONE IS YOU CAN'T CONSERVE, CAN WE NOT? CAN WE LIKE GLOBALLY, WE CAN'T CONSERVE OUR WAY OUT OR BECAUSE WE ARE DOING THE WAY WE'RE DOING CONSERVATION, WE CAN'T CONSERVE OUR WAY OUT.
IN OTHER WORDS, ARE THERE OTHER CITIES, FOR EXAMPLE, NOT TO SAY THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE INCREASED DEMAND? OF COURSE WE ARE, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT MORE POPULATION.
BUT ARE THERE OTHER CITIES AROUND THE US OR THE WORLD THAT HAVE MADE DECISIONS TO SAY, WE'RE GOING TO GO FROM 180 GALLONS A DAY PER PERSON TO 100 OR WHATEVER? WHAT ARE THOSE GOLD STANDARDS THAT WE COULD ALSO TRY TO ACHIEVE THAT IT MAY BE BEYOND YOUR YOUR DEPARTMENT'S ABILITY, BUT ARE GOING TO BE THE KIND OF RADICAL CHANGES THAT WE NEED SO THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY SURVIVE.
WHEN YOU LOOK BACK, GOING BACK ON THE THE.
YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT IS IT, 300 MILLION GALLONS, 300, WHATEVER THE DELTA IS, I FORGOT WHAT SLIDE I WAS ON THEN FOR THAT, I THINK IT WAS SLIDE. YOU WERE. YOU'RE CLOSE.
YEAH. THERE'S A 300, YOU KNOW, MILLION GALLON A DAY DELTA.
WE CAN'T BUILD OUR WAY OUT OF THIS EITHER, OBVIOUSLY.
ARE THERE ANY CITIES ANYWHERE THAT HAVE ACTUALLY FIGURED THIS OUT? ARE WE.
NO. AND ARE THERE METRICS THAT SAY THE GOLD STANDARD WOULD BE CLOSER TO 100 GALLONS A DAY, OR WHATEVER GALLONS A DAY THE NUMBER IS? THERE ARE DIFFERENT NUMBERS OUT THERE.
THERE IS A COMMISSION, THE STATE, A STATE COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE BOARD 10 OR 20 YEARS AGO THAT WENT THROUGH AS WATER CONSERVATION.
THEY CAME UP WITH A NUMBER, A GOAL OF ABOUT 78.
THERE'S SOME CITIES THAT CAN MEET THAT.
THAT MAY BE JUST RESIDENTIAL, VERY LITTLE BUSINESS, NO INDUSTRY.
SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT YOUR CITY IS MADE UP OF.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 1.3 MILLION PEOPLE.
WE'VE GOT ALL THE COMMERCIAL ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
WE HAVE INDUSTRY HERE, WHICH A LOT OF CITIES DON'T.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO COMPARE US TO SAN ANTONIO.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DID A COMPARISON BACK IN LIKE 2005.
IT'S PROBABLY IT'S AN OLD ONE.
IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE UPDATED.
BUT DALLAS HAS MORE HOTEL ROOMS. DALLAS HAS MORE RESTAURANTS.
DALLAS HAS MORE OF A LOT OF THINGS THAN SAN ANTONIO, BUT SAN ANTONIO'S NUMBERS ARE LOWER.
OURS, RESIDENTIAL TO RESIDENTIAL HOURS ARE VERY COMPARABLE TO SAN ANTONIO.
BUT WHEN YOU GET INTO THE TOTAL GPD, OURS ARE HIGHER.
AND THAT'S BEEN THE THE BIG THE BIG ISSUE WITH GPD IS YOU CAN'T COMPARE.
SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO IS REALLY LOOK AT THIS SORT OF SURGICALLY BASED ON THE USAGE.
RIGHT. SO WHAT ARE HOTELS IN ANOTHER CITY MAY BE DOING BETTER VERSUS CITY TO CITY.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? POTENTIALLY. AND AND ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S ALSO WHAT ARE WE WILLING TO DO.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING STANDARDS.
TUCSON, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A LAWN.
YEAH. YEAH. AND SO IS THAT WHAT DALLAS WANTS TO BE? THAT'S WELL, THAT'S Y'ALL'S DECISION.
WE WANT TO BE ENGLAND. WE WANT TO BE ENGLAND, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE RAINFALL.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN ONE LAST THING, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR. COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THE SEDIMENT PIECE? I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, SINCE IT SEEMS TO HAVE SUCH A HUGE IMPACT ON OUR SUPPLY.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND ARE THERE IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT? I GUESS IS REALLY THE FIRST QUESTION I SHOULD ASK.
BECAUSE IF NOT, DON'T EVEN TELL ME.
RIGHT. AND SO THERE ARE WAYS THAT YOU CAN HELP MITIGATE THAT FROM THE BEGINNING.
THAT WOULD BE GOING OUT INTO THE WATERSHED AND WORKING WITH THE FARMERS, THE LANDOWNERS, THE WHOEVER IS OUT THERE BY THE CREEKS TO HAVE LIKE BUFFER STRIPS TO KEEP THE SEDIMENT FROM ACTUALLY GETTING INTO THE STREAM TO BEGIN WITH.
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BUT THEY BUILT ALL THE, THE PONDS AND WHATNOT.SO IS THERE MORE WE CAN DO WITH OUR PARTNERS SINCE WE'RE SUPPLYING THEM THEIR WATER? THERE COULD BE AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD WE CAN LOOK INTO IN TERMS OF WATERSHED PROTECTION, YOU KNOW, CHANGING UP OUR WATERSHED PROTECTION, NOT JUST LOOKING FOR CHEMICALS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT LOOKING AT WAYS BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES IN ORDER TO REDUCE SEDIMENT.
SO THAT WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO.
SO I'LL SAY A COUPLE LAST THINGS.
ONE IS, FIRST OF ALL, I REMEMBER CHAIR ATKINS TALKING ABOUT THE CHALLENGE WITH THE TARRANT COUNTY THING FOR SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, HE'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS PROBLEM. AND SO I'D HATE TO SEE IT JUST CONTINUE TO SORT OF BE YES, WE HEARD YOU.
UNLESS THE ANSWER IS NO, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.
IN WHICH CASE, LET'S JUST END THAT.
AND YET WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.
WE WERE TOO AFRAID TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT LEAF BLOWING.
AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE IS HAVING OUR AS PART OF THAT CONSERVATION PIECE.
I MEAN, THAT DELTA IS TERRIFYING.
AND I THINK THAT IF WE CAN'T KICK THAT THAT DOWN THE ROAD.
AND WE HAVE GOT TO LOOK AT THE PART THAT WE CAN CONTROL THROUGH POLICY, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH USAGE OR WHETHER IT'S THROUGH WAYS IN OUR LAND USE AND THE OTHER THINGS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M ON BOARD FOR MAKING HARD DECISIONS ON THAT.
I HOPE MY COLLEAGUES ARE AS WELL, BUT WE CAN'T JUST PUSH IT OFF ON THAT.
SO LET'S, YOU KNOW, LET'S BE CONSISTENT.
THANK YOU. AND, MISS STEWART, YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
GO AHEAD. WELL, I JUST WANT TO REALLY REITERATE THE POINT ABOUT OUR CUSTOMER CITIES AND PERHAPS WORKING WITH THEM TO SLOW THE AMOUNT OF SEDIMENT THAT COMES DOWN THROUGH THE CREEKS. SO I THINK YOU KNOW WHERE I LIVED FOR 20 YEARS ON SQUARE DRIVE.
AND IN THAT 20 YEARS WE WOULD HAVE FLOODS.
AND YES, THERE WOULD BE A GOOD VOLUME OF WATER COME THROUGH, BUT IT GREW SUBSTANTIALLY IN 20 YEARS.
JUST THE VOLUME OF WATER THAT WOULD COME THROUGH THIS LITTLE BACKYARD CREEK.
AND IT'S DOING THAT I KNOW, ALL OVER THE CITY OF DALLAS AND IT HAS AN IMPACT.
AND I KNOW WE CAN KEEP LOOKING NORTH AND NORTH AND NORTH FOR THE VOLUME.
BUT AT SOME POINT, LET'S JUST START IN OUR IMMEDIATE NORTHERN SUBURBS.
AND IF THOSE ARE OUR CUSTOMER CITIES, LET'S LET'S WORK WITH THEM.
I WOULD LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO PRIORITIZE THAT.
I JUST HAVING WATCHED IT CHANGE OVER 20 YEARS AND I KNOW IT WILL CONTINUE TO CHANGE.
I THINK I WOULD LIKE US JUST TO TAKE A PAUSE AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT WE COULD POSSIBLY DO TO TO MOTIVATE OUR CUSTOMER CITIES TO. AND I THINK IT'S JUST PUTTING IN THE DETENTION PONDS ON PROPERTIES.
SARAH, YOU PROBABLY KNOW OTHER THINGS THEY COULD DO.
SO IN A DIFFERENT STATE MANDATED COMMITTEE IS THE STATE FLOOD BOARD.
SO DENNIS SITS ON THE REGENCY WATER SUPPLY I SIT ON THE FLOOD BOARD FOR THE TRINITY BASIN.
WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF KEEPING SEDIMENT IN LOCATIONS, PUTTING IN DETENTION AND RETENTION AS PART OF THAT FLOOD PLAN, BECAUSE THE FLOOD PLAN DOES FACTOR INTO SOME OF SOME OF THESE VERY CONVERSATIONS.
RIGHT. SO I THINK THAT THAT PLAN IS ACTUALLY SLATED TO BE APPROVED BY THE LEGISLATURE THIS CYCLE.
AND SO THEY WILL APPROVE THAT.
AND THE OTHER PART THAT YOU WILL DO AND IT'S SOMETIMES IT'S HARD, RIGHT.
DENNIS TALKED ABOUT ORDINANCES.
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DALLAS IS RUNNING ON THE LATEST BUILDING CODES, LATEST PLUMBING CODES, OTHER THINGS THAT REALLY GET TOWARDS THOSE PIECES.WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT LAND USES, WATER USES, ALL OF THAT KIND OF COMES TOGETHER.
WE'VE BEEN ONE OF THE FIRST ONES ACROSS THE STATE AND IN THE REGION.
SO WE'RE WE'RE DOING BIG PIECES.
BUT WE CAN WE CAN ALL DO MORE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
HAVE WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR CUSTOMER CITIES ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING? WE HAVE HAD CUSTOMER, OUR CUSTOMER CITIES ARE ARE NOT AS MUCH NORTH AS THEY ARE SORT OF DIFFERENT POCKET.
RIGHT. SO SOME OF THEM DO TIME OF DAY AND TWICE WEEKLY, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM DO.
SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THOSE SCENARIOS WITH THEM TO ENCOURAGE THEM.
ALTHOUGH WE JUST CAN'T CONTRACTUALLY.
RIGHT. AND THEN ON OUR COG COMMITTEES, WE'RE WORKING ON ALL OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY INTEGRATED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT COMMUNITIES OR WATERWISE COMMUNITIES THROUGH THOSE COG COMMITTEES.
OKAY. SO I KNOW THERE'S CONVERSATION.
I'M ALWAYS LOOKING FOR A PLAN THAT CAN BE ENFORCED.
SO WE'LL I'LL WE'LL HOPEFULLY WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS.
THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
AND JUST I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS IS 2080 PLAN.
SO IT'S WE HAVE TO START WORKING ON IT.
AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT AS A CITY.
WE HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE MOST ADVANCED ON CONSERVATION OF WATER AND BEING PREPARED FOR THE FUTURE.
SO, I MEAN, JUST PUT IN YOUR HEAD 2080.
AND HOW MUCH OF THIS IS INFORMATIONAL.
YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S ALSO SCARY, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE, BECAUSE WE CANNOT RUN OUT OF WATER.
IT'S IT'S THE ELEMENT THAT WE NEED THE MOST OF ALL ELEMENTS.
AND BUT WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR IT.
AND DALLAS WATER UTILITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN, I MEAN, DECADES AGO, STARTED GETTING READY FOR TODAY.
RIGHT. TO TALK ABOUT 2080 EVENTUALLY 2090 AND 2100 AND I IN 2080 I'LL BE 107. SO I'M PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE HERE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, BUT WE GOT TO BE PREPARED FOR IT.
AND THAT'S WHY THESE PLANS OR THESE THOUGHTS, THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE THESE CONVERSATIONS HAVE TO START TODAY AND HAVE BEEN WERE STARTED 20, 30 YEARS AGO.
RIGHT. SOME OF THESE IN ORDER TO GET PREPARED FOR 100 YEARS FROM NOW.
SO, YOU KNOW, 20, 80, 2090 2100.
IT'S ALL COMING AT SOME POINT.
AND SO IT'S JUST THE PLAN, THE THOUGHTS, THE IT'S SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO DO.
THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU KNOW.
AND IT'S GOOD BECAUSE THOSE CONVERSATIONS START HAPPENING.
AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT IN A PREDICAMENT WITHOUT WATER.
THE WATER ALWAYS FLOWS IN DALLAS IT ALWAYS HAS.
BUT WE HAVE TO ALWAYS BE PREPARED FOR IT.
BUT LET ME TELL YOU, I CAN TELL YOU IN MY COMMUNITY, I KNOW IN MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES, NEIGHBORHOODS, SOMEBODY HAS THE WATER RUNNING IN THEIR LAWN DURING THE DAY AND THEY THEY WILL GET REPORTED LIKE OR, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD PEOPLE COME AND TELL ME, LIKE SOME LADY KNOCKED ON MY DOOR, YOU KNOW, ALL UPSET BECAUSE I HAD THE WATER ON.
I WAS LIKE, WELL, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE IT ON DURING THE DAY, YOU KNOW? AND SO IT'S A LOT OF SELF POLICING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE BECAUSE OF THE DROUGHT.
AND THERE WAS SO MUCH EDUCATION ON HOW FOR US TO CONSERVE WATER.
NOT SAYING EVERYBODY, BUT IT'S CULTURALLY BECOME THAT.
AND THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GET THOSE PARTS DONE.
IT'S THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE INCREMENTAL DOWN THE LINE AND AS WE GO.
RIGHT. SO NOBODY'S LOOKING FOR A $2 BILLION CHECK TOMORROW.
SO IF YOU'RE REFERENCING THE 2 BILLION THAT MR. ATKINS WAS TALKING ABOUT ON THE IPL, YOU'VE ALREADY MADE AN $800 MILLION EXPENSE.
IT IS ALREADY BEING REPAID BY OUR CUSTOMER CITIES AND OUR RETAIL BASE HERE IN DALLAS.
AND THE TOTAL KIND OF OF THE RECOMMENDED STRATEGIES IN HERE IN $23 ON RECOMMENDED STRATEGIES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT AND WE'LL KEEP ON TALKING ABOUT IT.
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SO BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY AND ALL OF US BECAUSE LIKE I SAID BEFORE, NONE OF US WAS HERE TEN YEARS AGO ON THIS COUNCIL.SO EXCEPT FOR MR. ATKINS. AND SO THAT INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE IS SO IMPORTANT FOR US.
THANK YOU SIR. BUT DON'T GO YET, BECAUSE NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS BRIEFING MEMOS.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? IF NOT, YOU CAN MEET WITH SARAH ON OFFLINE.
ANYONE? NO, OKAY LETTER E IS INFORMATION ON THE PLANNED LAUNCH OF PERSONAL DELIVERY DEVICES, AVRIDE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? THAT WILL IS IN BRIEFING BY MEMO.
IF NOT, YOU CAN SPEAK WITH GUS ON YOUR OWN ON THAT ONE.
OKAY. LETTER F IS THE COMMITTEE FORECAST, PLEASE? AS ALWAYS, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO PUT ON THE AGENDA, GO AHEAD.
YEAH. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR THE JANUARY MEETING IF WE CAN JUST GET AN UPDATE MEMO? NOT PART OF THE PRESENTATION, BUT AN UPDATE MEMO ON THE HIGH SPEED RAIL, PARTICULARLY THAT THE WHOLE ALIGNMENT DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING AROUND COG, JUST TO GIVE US UPDATES OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THOSE.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS THE I THINK IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO WHEN WE FINISHED ALL OF OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH DART ABOUT THE EXCESS SALES AND THE AND THE ARPA MONEY.
I'M SURE, GUS, YOU CAN PROBABLY GET US AN UPDATE ON THE ON THAT FOR NEXT COMMITTEE.
ON ARPA FUND, ON THE EXCESS SALES TAX THAT CAME BACK FROM DART.
YOU KNOW, AND I'M SURE WE CAN GET THAT FOR JANUARY.
IF NOT, IT'LL BE FEBRUARY JUST TO.
I WAS GOING TO SAY I DON'T NEED LIKE THE FULL THING BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN KEEPING US UPDATED.
BUT I THINK IN BETWEEN OUR LAST UPDATE WITH THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE CONVERSATION IN TERMS OF THE WESTERN LINE KIND OF AND WHICH ALIGNMENT.
AND I THINK THERE'S THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STUDY IS ONGOING.
SO YOU MAY BE WAITING FOR THAT.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO OR YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL THE ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDIES.
VERY GOOD. WELL WELL WELL WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT.
JUST KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT ON THE.
JUST REAL QUICK ON THE I MEAN, NO, WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING IT.
IT'S NOT NOTICED. SO I'M NOT DISCUSSING IT.
WE'RE JUST SAYING WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE ON THE FORECAST.
AND THEN ANYBODY ELSE ON FORECAST? THOSE THOSE ARE BOTH GREAT.
IF IT'S A BRIEFING MEMO AND IT CAN BE ON REAL QUICK.
ABSOLUTELY. IF IT'S GOT TO BE A BRIEFING, LIKE A WHOLE PRESENTATION, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE STAFF HAS ENOUGH TIME TO PUT TOGETHER A PRESENTATION ON ANYTHING YOU WANT PLEASE, JUST GET IT TO ME SO WE CAN GET THAT GOING.
MISS MENDELSOHN, SORRY I DIDN'T SEE YOU, CHAIR.
I MEAN, COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
BUT I DO WANT TO REPEAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
YOU WENT IN AND OUT, I APOLOGIZE.
THAT'S OKAY. THE ROBOT WILL BE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING.
IT'S CURRENTLY MAPPING DOWNTOWN.
SO, DEB, DID YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON ANYTHING ON THAT? OKAY. VERY GOOD. AND THEN WE HAVE UPCOMING AGENDA ITEMS G H I J K L M N O P ALL THE WAY THROUGH X.
SO WE HAVE A LOT ON THE AGENDA FOR WEDNESDAY, BUT IT'S THE LAST MEETING OF THE YEAR.
AND THAT'S TYPICALLY A JAM PACKED AGENDA.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE UPCOMING AGENDA ITEMS, OR ARE YOU OKAY TO GET WITH STAFF ON YOUR OWN IF YOU DO? IF ANYBODY DOES, THIS IS YOUR CHANCE.
WITH THAT, WE HAVE THE AGENDA COMPLETED AND I WILL SEE YOU ALL ON TOMORROW FOR OUR BRIEFING, OUR COMMITTEE COUNCIL BRIEFING, AND AND AND WE WILL NOT HAVE A COMMITTEE MEETING.
WE WILL NOT HAVE ANOTHER COMMITTEE MEETING UNTIL JANUARY.
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INTERVIEW OF THE OF THE DFW AIRPORT BOARD ATTENDEES, APPOINTEES, SINCE THEY'RE ALL THREE ON THERE.WITH THAT, THE TIME IS NOW 2:32 P.M., AND I NOW CALL TO CLOSE THE DECEMBER 3RD, 2024
TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.