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          ARE WE READY TO GO, SIR? 
          [BRIEFINGS]
GOOD MORNING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          SO WE, WE HAVE THREE CASES, JUST BE AWAY. 
          UM, SO AS I WAS TRYING TO SAY, WE HAVE THREE CASES, UM, WITHIN ABOUT A BLOCK OF EACH OTHER THAT HAVE THE SAME PD CONDITIONS AT THIS TIME AS PROPOSED. 
          THEY HAVE THE SAME PD CONDITIONS, UM, AND THEY'RE PROPOSED BY THE SAME APPLICANT. 
          UH, STATUS QUESTION WAS, WOULD WE LIKE TO HEAR THEM IN ONE BUNCH? UH, THEY CAN BE BRIEFED ALL IN A ROW, UH, WILL SHOW THAT THE PHOTOS FOR EACH OF COURSE. 
          BUT I MAY ONLY GO THROUGH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN STANDARDS ONE TIME OR THE THREE, BECAUSE AT THIS TIME THEY'RE THE SAME. 
          THEY COULD BE INDIVIDUALLY ALTERED FOR THE THREE DIFFERENT CASES BECAUSE THAT'S WITHIN THE ABILITY OF, UH, THREE DIFFERENT CASES WITH THREE PDS. 
          UM, IT'S FEASIBLE. 
          BUT JUST A DISCLAIMER, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          ARE ALL THOSE DISTRICT FOUR, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND DO ALL OF THOSE, OR I KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT CONTIGUOUS, SO THEY'RE EACH SEPARATE PDS, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, THEY ARE WITHIN A BLOCK. 
          THEY DO HAVE SOME SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT SITE CONDITIONS, SO I'D ASK YOU TO ASSESS THOSE AS WELL AS STAFF HAS ASSESSED THEM ON INDIVIDUAL BASIS. 
          BUT, UH, FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES, THEY'LL BE THE SAME. 
          SO I'LL START, CAN I, IF, IF I CAN, UH, INTERJECT THEY ARE ON THE SAME BLOCK, NOT WITHIN A BLOCK, BUT THEY ARE ON THE SAME BLOCK, ALL THREE CASES. 
          AND, AND I DO AGREE WITH MICHAEL THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO HEAR THEM TOGETHER. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SUPER. 
          OKAY, SO I'LL START WITH Z 2 3 4 1 7 0. 
          UH, MICHAEL, CAN, CAN YOU CLARIFY, UH, PLEASE FOR ME ON THIS CASE, WHAT IS THE EXACT ADDRESS FOR THIS, UH, THIS CASE? UH, WE DON'T REALLY TRACK ADDRESSES. 
          I WILL SHOW YOU CLOSELY ON THE MAP WHERE IT IS FROM AN AREA PERSPECTIVE, FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK I COULD TELL YOU THE EXACT ADDRESS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD SINCE WE DON'T TRACK THOSE VERY WELL, ESPECIALLY WITH DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY WITH VACANT LOTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHERE THEY OFTEN DON'T HAVE RELIABLE ADDRESSES. 
          WELL, THE ORIGINAL ADDRESS FOR THIS CASE WAS 1200 GRANT STREET, BUT THE AERIAL VIEW THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR CASE REPORT IS AT 1223 GRANT STREET. 
          AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION. 
          YEAH, THIS ONE, LET, LET ME GET INTO THE CASE. 
          I CAN DEFINITELY, UM, CLARIFY IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO CLARIFY THE, UM, INFORMAL ADDRESSES THAT THEY HAVE AT THIS TIME. 
          THEY CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. 
          BUT THIS IS, THIS ONE IS GONNA BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE, UH, STREET. 
          SO IT SHOULD HAVE AN EVEN NUMBER ADDRESS. 
          AND, AND, AND, AND, AND 1200 IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          BUT THIS IS 1223, WHICH IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          UH, LET ME, LET ME JUMP INTO IT AND, UH, WE CAN CLARIFY ANYTHING SPATIALLY AS WE, AS WE WILL IF WE CAN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO Z 2 3 4 1 7 0 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT USES AND STANDARDS ON PROPERTIES ZONED IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF GRANT BETWEEN RIDGE STREET AND SOUTH FAMILY DRIVE. 
          THIS ONE IS ABOUT 22,000 SQUARE FEET, AROUND HALF AN ACRE LOCATED IN DISTRICT FOUR, UH, NEAR THE RED LINE, THE BLUE LINE. 
          AND SO FOR CONTEXT, HERE'S WHERE THESE THREE CASES ARE. 
          1 7 0, WHICH I WILL SHOW THE PHOTOS FOR INITIALLY ARE, IS HERE ON THE, UH, LEFT SIDE. 
          UH, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, YEAH. 
          WELL, I'M HAPPY TO CLARIFY WHERE WE'RE WORKING WITH FOR THIS ONE, FOR ANYONE. 
          SO YEAH, ONE 70 IS HERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          UM, 1, 1 98 IS DOWN THE BLOCK. 
          AND 2 0 0 2 IS ON THE FAR END OF THE BLOCK AT THE CORNER OF GRANT AND GLY. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHERE THOSE CASES ARE IN RELATION TO EACH OTHER. 
          HERE'S WHERE THEY ARE IN RELATION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AMENITIES, UM, AS WELL AS TRANSIT ACCESS IN THIS AREA. 
          SO THIS ONE'S ABOUT A THOUSAND FOOT FROM MORAL STATION. 
          AND SO HERE'S THE AERIAL MAP OF THIS PROPERTY, OR ONE 70 COMMISSIONER FORSYTH. 
          WHOA, THAT IS LOUD. 
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SO SORRY. 
          UM, COULD, COULD WE WAIT UNTIL STAFF CONCLUDES THE BRIEFING ON THESE THREE ITEMS BEFORE WE GO TO STAFF QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, NO. 
          SO YEAH, SO THIS ONE'S AT THE, UH, END OF GRAND STREET AS IT EXISTS TODAY. 
          UM, THERE'S UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY TO THE WEST. 
          THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE EAST, A SINGLE FAMILY TO THE NORTH, UH, FURTHER WEST. 
          THERE'S SOME UNDEVELOPED LOTS AS WELL AS SAME FAMILY. 
          RIGHT NOW THIS ONE IS AN 1800 SQUARE FOOT HOME. 
          UH, THEY PROPOSING 16. 
          I PUT TOWN HOME IN QUOTES 'CAUSE THAT IS THE ENGLISH WORD FOR WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE IF YOU WERE STANDING AT THE STREET LOOKING AT IT. 
          UH, OUR CODE, WE'LL CALL IT MULTIFAMILY. 
          UH, I DO WANT TO IMPLY ACCURATELY WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS, UH, BUT I DO HAVE TO USE THE CODE TERM OF MULTIFAMILY. 
          AND BECAUSE THEY'RE MULTIPLE HOMES ON , UH, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT DESIGN SENIORS THAT MAKE THIS DIFFERENT FROM A TYPICAL MULTIFAMILY, UH, DISTRICT. 
          SO I GET DOWN TO THE SITE HERE, LOOKING SOUTH HOME AS EXIST TODAY FROM GRANT STREET LOOKING WEST, UH, AT THE END OF GRANT STREET, THAT, UM, TURNS INTO THE UNDEVELOPED, LOTS OF THE WEST LOOKING EAST ON GRANT STREET AND LOOKING NORTH ACROSS GRANT STREET. 
          SO AGAIN, THESE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE GONNA REMAIN THE SAME FOR EACH OF THESE THREE CASES, AT LEAST IN THE PROPOSAL. 
          UM, SO I CAN HIGHLIGHT ANYTHING WE NEED TO. 
          UM, GENERALLY A COUPLE CHANGES, UM, ADDS A, A ALTERED SIDE YARD, 7.5 FEET IN THE SIDE YARD, UH, KEEPS A 15 FOOT REAR YARD. 
          IT DOES ALLOW THEM TO TAKE IT DOWN TO 10 FEET IF THERE'S AN ALLEY IN THE REAR, WHICH IS A CASE FOR THE, UH, FOR THIS ONE 70 CASE LIMITS THE MAXIMUM DENSITY OF 36 DRAWING UNITS PER ACRE. 
          UM, IT HAS A BUILDING FLOOR PLATE MAXIMUM OF 10,000. 
          IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU'VE SEEN, UH, IN TOO MANY PDS BEFORE, BUT IT IS MEANT TO LIMIT THE SIZE OF AN INDIVIDUAL, UM, BUILDING OR RESIDENTIAL BUILDING SO THAT IT CAN'T BE TOO LARGE IN TERMS OF MASSING ALONG A CERTAIN FRONTAGE. 
          UH, IT INCLUDES, UH, ADDITIONAL DESIGN STANDARDS THAT APPLY TO THE FRONT YARDS AS WELL AS ROOF SLOPE STEP BACKS DEPENDING ON, UH, THE CHOICES THE APPLICANT. 
          THOSE ARE HIGHLIGHTED A LITTLE BIT LATER. 
          THERE'S ALSO PARKING SETBACKS, AND WE BRING THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT TYPICAL FOR MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICTS. 
          UH, THEY'RE ADDITIONAL, UH, DESIGN STANDARDS OFFERED. 
          THEY'RE ALSO NOT, UH, CHARACTERISTIC OF OUR FIVE DISTRICTS. 
          UH, LANDSCAPING. 
          THEY PROPOSE IT'S, IT'S IN, IN ADDITION TO TYPICAL ARCTIC 10, UM, UTILITY BOXES THAT ARE NEAR THE STREET, BASICALLY THEY'RE FACING A STREET. 
          THEY NEED SCREEN ON THOSE THREE SIDES, UM, WITH PLANTINGS AROUND THEM WITH WHEN IT'S A USE. 
          AND IN THOSE SIDE AND REAR BUFFER YARDS, UM, OFTENTIMES A RESIDENTIAL BUFFER ZONE CALLED FOR ONE PLANTING GROUP PER 40 FEET WITH A LARGE TREE. 
          THIS CALLS FOR THEM TO BE REPLACED BY TWO SMALL TREES, BUT THEN IT UPS THAT FREQUENCY TO ONE PER 38 FEET. 
          SO IT'S A DENSER, UM, AMOUNT OF PLANTING ALONG THEIR SIDING REAR, UH, BUFFER YARDS THAT ARE MORE SO THAN WE WERE WOULD BE REQUIRED BY R 10 FRONT YARDS. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE FRONT YARDS AND THAT'S COVERED BY THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF 15 FEET. 
          BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, AND KIND OF EXCLUSIVE TO THAT, UH, THEY EITHER HAVE TO HAVE AN UN ENCLOSED, UH, PORCH, FRONT PORCH STRUCTURE, SOMETHING LIKE A, A GROUND FLOOR. 
          IT'S LESS THAN 15 FEET, SOMETHING OF A FRONT PORCH THAT IS OPEN UNDERNEATH. 
          UM, AND CAN, UM, KIND OF ACTIVATE THAT FRONT AREA A LITTLE BETTER THAN, UH, YOU MIGHT SEE IN, IN TYPICAL MULTIFAMILY DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          UM, THAT IS AN OPTION. 
          OR THEY CAN HAVE ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS, WHICH MEANS, UH, YOU KNOW, AN INTENSE PLANTING AREA WHERE THEY HAVE ANOTHER ROW OF TREES. 
          SO YOU GOTTA HAVE STREET TREES IN YOUR FRONT. 
          SINCE THESE TREES IN THIS PARTICULAR CONDITION DON'T COUNT TOWARDS STREET TREES. 
          SO YOU KIND OF GET A DOUBLE ROW OF TREES, UM, CONSIDERED TO ADD ADDITIONAL SHADE, MORE TEXTURE TO THAT FRONT UH, AREA. 
          AND ADDITIONAL PLANTING SETTING WOULD BE TYPICALLY REQUIRED FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, THEN AT THE TOPS OF THE BUILDING. 
          SO AT THE FRONT TOP, UH, THEY HAVE TO HAVE ONE OF THESE FOLLOWING. 
          SO THEY HAVE TO SET BACK THEIR TALLER PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING BY 10 FOOT SO THAT THEY STEP BACK SO TO SPEAK. 
          OR THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SLOPED AREA THAT SLOPES TOWARDS THE STREET. 
          UM, THAT IS, IT'S BASED ON A FORMULA, BUT IT'S 166 SQUARE FEET OF SLOPE AREA PER 50 FRONTAGE. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE A 50 FOOT LOT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE 166 SQUARE FOOT OF SLOPED AREA. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING OF A ROOF THAT'S POINTS TOWARDS THE STREET, AND IT DOES HAVE TO, CAN'T BE TOTALLY FLAT TO BE POINTED A LITTLE BIT TOWARDS THE STREET, HELPS ACTIVATE THAT STREET AND MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE APPROACHABLE OR TALKABILITY. 
          AND THEN THIS INCLUDES DESIGN STANDARDS FOR DRIVEWAY MAXIMUMS YOU WOULDN'T TYPICALLY SEE IN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, 
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BUT THIS ALLOWS ONE DRIVEWAY OR ONLY 26 FEET AND MAXIMUM, UH, PER PROPERTY. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA BE BY THE BUILDING SITE. 
          AND THEN NO MATTER HOW THEY DO IT, UH, THEY CAN ONLY HAVE ONE OF THOSE PER 150 FEET OF PUBLIC STREET FRONTAGE. 
          UM, SURFACE PARKING SETBACK APPLIES FROM THE FRONT 30 FOOT. 
          THEY CAN HAVE SURFACE PARKING, THEIR FIRST 30 FEET OF THEIR YARD, THEY GOTTA HAVE, UM, EITHER THEY CAN HAVE A BUILDING OR THEY CAN HAVE, UM, PLANTINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND THEN FIVE AND FIVE AND FIVE ON THE SIDE IN THE REAR. 
          THAT'S NOT TYPICAL OR IT'S NOT EX DOESN'T EXIST IN EXISTING, UM, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THEN I DESCRIBE THAT FOUR PLATE MAXIMUM THAT BREAKS UP THE MASSIVE MANY PROPOSED BUILDINGS. 
          SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON Z 2 3 4 1 70 IS APPROVAL. 
          SUBJECT CONDITIONS. 
          I THINK WE CAN MOVE INTO THE NEXT CASE WITH PHOTOS. 
          SO THE NEXT ONE'S GONNA BE Z 2 3 4 1 98. 
          THAT ONE'S AN APPLICATION FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT GRAND F TWO A. 
          IT'S MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT USES AND STANDARDS ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE LEFT LINE OF GRANT STREET AND THE SOUTH LINE, UP FRONT STREET WEST OF SOUTH BENLEY DRIVE. 
          AND IT'S ABOUT 19,000 SQUARE FEET LOCATED JUST A BLOCK HERE IT IS FOR CONTEXT, YOU CAN SEE THE 1 98 LOT. 
          UM, IT DOES FRONT TWO DIFFERENT PUBLIC STREETS. 
          UH, IT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT CASE AND OR ONE OF THE FEW DIFFERENCES IN THIS CASE. 
          AND THAT ONE, UH, TO THE NORTH OF IT IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING AT THIS TIME, BUT THEN IT'S ST STILL GOT THAT R FIVE AROUND IT. 
          AND ON THE SITE YOU'VE SEEN THIS FOUR AREA MAP OF THE SITE. 
          RIGHT NOW IT'S DEVELOPED WITH, UH, AN A CHURCH AT THIS TIME. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE INTO THE NORTH. 
          THERE'S UNDEVELOPED LOTS AS WELL. 
          THERE'S AN UNDEVELOPED LOT IN THERE, SINGLE FAMILY TO THE EAST. 
          UM, THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY TO THE WEST AND THERE'S SOME SINGLE FAMILY CROSS GRANT TO THE SOUTH AS WELL. 
          IT'S AN UNDEVELOPED LOT AND AS I SAID, DEVELOPED 3,500 SQUARE FOOT CHURCH. 
          UH, THIS ONE PROPOSES 20, EXCUSE ME, 12 TOWN HOME UNITS PER PERMISSIBLE UNDER THE SAME DENSITY, BUT WITH A SLIGHTLY SMALLER LOT. 
          SAME DESIGN STANDARD APPLY. 
          HERE'S THE LOT AS WE GET DOWN TO THE STREET. 
          WE'RE ON GRANT STREET HERE LOOKING NORTH AS IT EXISTS TODAY. 
          THEN KIND OF THE FAR WEST SOUTHWEST CORNER, A LOT TURN AROUND. 
          GO BACK ON FRONT STREET LOOKING SOUTH ACROSS THE, UH, ACROSS THE CHURCH PROPERTY. 
          LOOK SOUTHWEST LOOK SURROUNDING USES HOME TO THE WEST, LOOKING WEST DOWN GRANT STREET, LOOKING SOUTH ACROSS GRAND STREET AND CLA TO THE SOUTH A BIT. 
          UM, THEN WHAT'S HOME NEXT DOOR TO THAT LOOKING EAST UNDEVELOPED LOT. 
          BUT THE, UH, OTHER CASE TAKES PLACE ON 2 0 2 TAKES PLACE ON, WE'RE LOOKING NORTHEAST. 
          AND THEN THAT'S, UH, SOME OF THE UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY NORTH OF, UH, DOSING FAMILY TOWARDS THE CORNER OF DE FRONT. 
          AND THOSE ARE THE, SOME OF THE MIX OF, UH, LOTS OF THE NORTH OF FRONT STREET DESIGN STANDARDS, OR EXCUSE ME, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, REMAIN THE SAME IN THIS CASE AS PROPOSED. 
          SO I WON'T HIGHLIGHT ANYTHING OF THAT IN TOO CLOSE DETAIL THAT LANDSCAPING REMAINS THE SAME AS PROPOSED DESIGN STANDARDS DO AS WELL. 
          SO WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS, AND I WILL NOW MOVE ON TO 2 0 2 ADD. 
          THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. 
          GOOD, GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. 
          THIS IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH 2 0 2. 
          IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY USES ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT. 
          THIS ONE IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF GRANT STREET AND SOUTH FAMILY DRIVE NORTH QUAD STREET, ABOUT 14,800 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE IN THE BRENTFORD HEIGHTS AREA. 
          AND AS YOU'VE SEEN ALREADY, THIS IS CASE CONTACT. 
          SO THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE CASE FURTHEST TO THE EAST ON THAT CORNER OF GRANT AND DENLEY, AND YOU'VE SEEN THIS ONE ALREADY. 
          HERE'S AN AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE SITE IN QUESTION AND THE ZONING MAP SHOWING ITS RANDOM ZONING AS YOU SEE TO THE NORTH. 
          THERE IS A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT THAT DOES HAVE, UM, RESIDENTIAL USES IN THERE. 
          THERE'S THE MF TWO, A DISTRICT OF THE WEST, UH, THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED FOR UNDERGOING, UH, PLANS FOR DEVELOPMENT THERE. 
          THEN TO THE SOUTH SOUTHEAST, THERE'S A CR UH, COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT WITH A MIX OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AS WELL, VARIOUS RETAIL AND OTHER USES. 
          SO 
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THE SITE IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AND THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDINGS I JUST GAVE THAT THE SITE IS IN PROXIMITY TO BOTH THE DALLAS ZOO AND MORRELL DART STATIONS AND THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING DEVELOPING THE SITE WITH, AGAIN, AS WE WOULD CALL 'EM, THE COLLOQUIAL WAY TOWN HOMES. 
          UH, 10 UNITS IS, UH, WAS THE LAST THAT I CHECKED. 
          HERE'S SOME PHOTOS OF THE SITE. 
          SO THIS IS ON GRANT STREET. 
          LOOKING UP TOWARDS THE SITE, UH, TO THE RIGHT OF THE PHOTO IS THE ADJACENT LOT. 
          SO EVERYTHING THAT'S UNDEVELOPED, THAT VERY LARGE TREE IN THE MIDDLE, THAT IS THE SUBJECT SITE. 
          THEN ON GRAND STREET, LOOKING EAST WITH THE SUBJECTS SITE TO THE RIGHT, LOOKING WEST, UH, THE SUBJECT SITE'S NOT IN THIS PHOTO AND LOOKING SOUTHWEST, GOING TOWARDS THAT CORNER ON BENLEY. 
          UH, HERE WE SEE THE SITE. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S BIT OF RAISED UP. 
          MY LITTLE, I WOULDN'T CALL THE HILL, BUT IT'S RAISED UP. 
          AND THEN MOVING CLOSE CROSS BENLEY, LOOKING AT THE SITE AT THE EXACT CORNER, AND THEN ON THE CORNER LOOKING WEST DOWN GRANT STREET, THEN LOOKING NORTHEAST AWAY FROM THE SITE, THEN GOING DOWN SOUTH BENLEY, LOOKING SOUTHWEST AT THE SITE, AND THEN LOOKING WEST AT THE SITE. 
          AND THEN A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN, DENLEY, UH, LOOKING AT THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE AND LOOKING WEST. 
          UH, THESE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED AND ENHANCED LANDSCAPING STANDARDS. 
          IT'S, UH, GOOD JOB. 
          WE ALL OVER AGAIN, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS CASE IS APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GENTLEMEN. 
          UH, QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, AND BEFORE WE GET TO QUESTIONS, JUST TO CLARIFY, I, I DID SEE, UH, COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT, I NOTICED THAT LAST NIGHT THAT THE, THE IMAGES ON, ON PAGE JUST FOR THE AERIAL, UH, MAP ON CASE FOUR AND SIX ARE THE SAME. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT WAS. 
          YES, I WAS ABLE TO CLARIFY THAT. 
          AND SO I'M HAPPY TO CLARIFY FOR ANYONE. 
          BUT ONE 70 IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF GRANT STREET, UH, NEAR THE END OF WHAT HAP THE EXACT, EXCUSE ME, THE STREET AS IT EXISTS TODAY. 
          SO IT IS ON THE SOUTH STREET, WHEREAS 1 98, UH, BORDERS ABOVE FRONT AND GRANT STREET, AND YET, SO THE MAPS IN ONE 70 FOR THE AERIAL, UH, NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. 
          BUT THANK YOU QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT. 
          UM, MR. UH, PEPE, MR. MR. BATE, UH, JUST A COMMENT BEFORE MY QUESTION. 
          UM, I THOUGHT YOUR, UM, LAND USE RATIONALES WERE EXTREMELY GOOD. 
          UM, VERY HELPFUL ABOUT, UH, THE CONDITIONS OF THESE CASES AND HOW, UH, THEY'RE BEING TAILORED TO FIT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          GOOD WORK. 
          CLEAR WRITING. 
          UM, MY QUESTION IS, UM, SO MAYBE SLIGHTLY RHETORICAL, BUT, UM, IF WE HAD A CODE DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT WAS FRIENDLIER TO INFILL DEVELOPMENT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO TO THESE LINKS OF WRITING THESE PDS FOR CASES LIKE THIS. 
          WOULD THAT NOT BE PROOF? ISN'T THAT TRUE? YES. 
          AND I KNOW YOUR AN YOUR QUESTION IS RHETORICAL, BUT I CAN ADD MORE ONTO IT. 
          I THINK THAT IT WAS AN EXERCISE IN, UH, WORKING WITH A DEVELOPER TO, TO SEE WHAT KINDS OF THINGS ARE PRACTICAL TO INCLUDE ON SMALL SCALE IN BILL, UH, MULTIFAMILY PROJECT, MISSING METAL PROJECTS. 
          SO IT WAS A BIT OF AN EXERCISE IN THAT, UM, THAT WAS ALSO RUN PAST, UH, COMMUNITY THROUGH COMMUNITY MEETINGS. 
          SO, UH, SOMETHING OF A PRACTICE AT THAT. 
          I PERSONALLY WOULD SEE THAT AS A VALUABLE EFFORT BY THE, UH, BROADER PLANNING STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. 
          I DO HAVE A QUESTION OR TWO PLEASE. 
          COMMERCIAL HALL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, AND MR. PEPE? UH, YOU'RE FINE. 
          MR. BATE, UH, UH, ONE OF THESE LOTS HAS A, A CHURCH ON IT. 
          UH, WHAT IS IT CALLED? GOD'S GOD'S HOSPITAL CHURCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          THAT IS 1 98. 
          1 98. 
          IS THAT VA IS THAT, UH, CURRENTLY NOT IN USE? IS IT A VACANT BUILDING? I'LL BE, I I'LL BE HONEST, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO TELL IF IT'S IN USE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          WE, UH, WE'LL, WE MAY HAVE TO ASK THE APPLICANT AT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY CAN ANSWER THAT. 
          AND THE QUESTION IS, UH, YOU, YOU'RE SHOWING ON YOUR BRIEFS THAT THIS IS CLOSE TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND THE ZOO AND SO FORTH, BUT THERE, I DON'T SEE ANY SIDEWALKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND THE STREETS LOOK PRETTY NARROW. 
          SO IS THERE ANY WAY TO, UH, IS THERE ANY WALKABILITY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? YES. 
          NO, I'M, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED. 
          SO A LOT OF THE BLOCKS DO HAVE, UM, SIDEWALKS AT THIS TIME. 
          THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK DOES 
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NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS. 
          UM, GOOD THING IS REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS LOT WOULD GLUE THE, UH, THE BOWLING OF THAT. 
          SO IT WOULD BE, UH, BUILT OUT BY THESE THREE PROJECTS WOULD, AT THE VERY LEAST, WOULD, WOULD MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          UH, I WILL SAY THAT THESE SMALL SCALE STREETS, SO STREETS THAT ARE, I WISH I COULD REMEMBER, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE AROUND, THEY'RE LESS THAN 50 FEET, WHICH IS WHAT THE TYPICAL CODE REQUIREMENT, UM, ARE DEFINITELY SAFER TO WALK ON THAN A, THAN A TYPICAL STREET. 
          UM, DEFINITELY SAFER THAN THAN ACCURATE STREET TO WALK ON. 
          UH, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THAT AND SLOW SPEED OF THAT, IT IS A DEAD END AS WELL, UH, AT THIS TIME. 
          UH, SO BY BUILDING ALL THESE PROJECTS, WE GET SIDEWALKS IN THAT, UH, WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT SIDEWALK. 
          WE DO HAVE SIDEWALKS THAT EXIST IN OTHER PARTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, BUT I CERTAINLY TOOK TRANSIT TO THIS SITE THREE OR FOUR TIMES, UH, RECENTLY. 
          AND, UH, WHILE NOT HAVING SIDEWALKS IS NOT IDEAL, UH, REDEVELOPMENT IS THE CHOSEN METHOD THE CITY HAS IN A GREAT DEGREE TO, UH, TO GET THOSE BUILT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SO THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO PUT SIDEWALKS ON THEIR, ON THEIR DEVELOPMENT SITE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          AND JUST ADD SOME COLOR. 
          LOOKING AT GOOGLE STREET VIEW, IT APPEARS THAT ALONG PARTS OF CLAUDE STREET AS WELL AS MORELL AVENUE, SO THOSE TWO LARGER STREETS TO THE SOUTH OF THESE SITES, UH, SIDEWALKS HAVE BEEN BUILT OUT OR ARE BEING BUILT OUT. 
          SO THE, THE SITUATION DOES IMPROVE THE CLOSER YOU GET TO THE DART STATION. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          YES. 
          I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT, UM, HOW STAFF CAME TO THE DETERMINATION THAT MF TWO WAS THE CORRECT BASE ZONING FOR, FOR THESE PARTICULAR LOTS THAT ARE ON AN R FIVE LOT. 
          AND, UM, I WAS CONCERNED BY THE JUSTIFICATION FOR, FOR THIS, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, RESIDENT, A LONG ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, LOWER INCOME NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT'S CLOSE TO TRANSIT AND BECAUSE THERE IS SOME CR AND MF ON THE PERIMETER THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT MEANS THAT THE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE DEVELOPED AT A, A DENSITY AND A HIGH, MUCH GREATER THAN THE SURROUNDING. 
          IT SEEMS TO BE FAR IN EXCESS OF THE GENTLE DENSITY THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT RECENTLY. 
          WHAT'S THE QUESTION IN THAT? WHAT IS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE AMOUNT OF DENSITY IN MF TWO? YOU KNOW, THE HEIGHTS, THE REDUCED FRONT YARD SETBACK, YOU KNOW, THE, IT'S LIKE WE'RE BREAKING BLOCK BASED CONTINUITY. 
          R FIVE REQUIRES 20 FEET, AND HERE WE'RE SAYING 15 FEET. 
          AND OF THAT 15 FEET, 10 FEET CAN BE USED WITH PARALLEL PARKING OR LOADING, AND IT GOES ON TO SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO SURFACE PARKING IN THE FIRST 30 FEET, BUT IF YOU CAN, IF YOU'VE ONLY GOT 15 FEET ANYWAY AND YOU'VE GOT LOADING AND PARALLEL PARKING IN IT, I DON'T SEE HOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF ROOM FOR PORCHES AND ENHANCED LANDSCAPING. 
          THEN YOU GET TO HIDE, YOU KNOW, R FIVE HAS 30 FEET AND F TWO IS 36 FEET. 
          HERE, WE'RE SAYING THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL SETBACK OVER 40 FEET. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE 36 FEET BY RIGHT. 
          PLUS THE WAY MODERN CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES GO HOUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE OVERAGES 12 FEET, YOU CAN GO TO 48 FEET. 
          IT JUST SEEMS THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT YOU HAVE BUILT IN, WHERE ARE MAKING, UM, A RADICAL INCREASE IN, IN THE MASSING AND THE DENSITY IN THE MIDDLE OF A SINGLE FAMILY BLOCK. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, YOU SPOKE TO DESIGN CENTERS AND THE SETBACKS. 
          IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER IS THAT THE DESIGN CENTERS THAT ARE BUILT IN FOR LANDSCAPING FOR PORCHES ARE REQUIRED REGARDLESS OF WHAT SETBACK THEY CHOOSE TO DO. 
          A 15 FRONT 15 FOOT IS THE FRONT SETBACK MINIMUM, BUT THEY CAN PUT IN THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO AS REQUIRED BY THE DI AS A DESIGN STANDARD. 
          SO THEY WILL HAVE TO HAVE ROOM FOR ENHANCED LANDSCAPING AND PORCHES IN THE FRONT. 
          SO WE WILL HAVE AN ENHANCED FRONT, UM, REGARDLESS OF WHAT'S, WHETHER THEY SET THEIR SETBACK AT 15 FOOT AT 20 FOOT BEFORE THEIR BACK. 
          UM, LET'S TAKE A STEP BACK AND SAY WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WAY WE'VE IDENTIFIED IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL USES, NEXT RESIDENTIAL USES WE EVALUATED BASED ON THAT. 
          WHEN I LOOK AT RESIDENTIAL USES AND WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE APPROPRIATE FOR COMMUNITY, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE, UH, IF THERE'S CAPACITY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE THINGS THAT THOSE PEOPLE IN THE RESIDENTIAL NEED USES HERE AND, AND NEARBY, UH, HAVE WHAT THEY NEED. 
          UH, PART OF THAT IS BUILT THROUGH DENSITY TO SUPPORT, UH, COMMUNITY RETAIL TO BE BUILT OUT. 
          PART OF THAT IS TRA UH, TRANSPORTATION CAPACITY. 
          UM, SO WE SEE THAT AS, AS PRESENT IN, IN DEVELOPING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO DEFINITELY SEE THAT AS A, AS A VALUABLE ASPECT FOR ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL USES HERE. 
          UM, AGAIN, BUILDING ON THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, WHAT'S REQUIRED 
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IS, UH, GENERALLY MORE RESTRICTIVE FOR, UH, THIS TREATMENT OF THE PUBLIC REALM. 
          SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT DETRACTS FROM THE PUBLIC REALM, UH, WHAT THEY'RE ABLE TO BUILD UNDER THIS HAS GOT TO BE A, A HIGHER QUALITY, MORE PUBLIC FACING, UH, RUN THAN WOULD ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT UNDER R FIVE OF, OR BASE MF TWO. 
          SO THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT, MAKING SURE THE PUBLIC REALM IS, IS QUALITY, MAKING SURE THE, UM, OTHER KINDS OF BUFFERS ARE ENHANCED RATHER THAN, UM, LESS QUALITY. 
          SO WE'VE GOT 30 FOOT PARKING SETBACK, UM, STREET PARKING, PARALLEL PARKING THAT'S INVENTED IS GENERALLY PERMITTED IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AS IT IS. 
          SO THAT IS ONLY A SMALL COMPONENT OF IT, UH, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO HAVE THOSE, UH, STREET FACING COMPONENTS ON THE FRONT. 
          THESE WAS ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO THE DISPARATE IMPACT THAT THIS LEVEL OF, UH, MARKET RATE AND FILL DENSITY IS GOING TO HAVE ON A NATURALLY AFFORDABLE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, I MEAN, I'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN IN WEST DALLAS, YOU KNOW, WHEN ZONING HAS CHANGED ON, ON AN AREA WHICH HAS AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD OR EVEN SELECTIVELY ON LOTS, IT MAKES DEVELOPERS RUSH IN AND, AND BE WILLING TO PAY, YOU KNOW, HIGHER PRICE FOR LOTS BECAUSE THEY, THEY ARE FAIRLY CERTAIN WE'RE SIGNALING THAT THEY CAN GET MORE DENSITY AND THAT, YOU KNOW, RESETS THE LAND VALUES, THE, IT STARTS DISPLACING RENTERS BECAUSE THE PROPERTY TAXES GO UP AND THE LANDLORDS CAN'T AFFORD TO RENT OR WHAT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, BEING CHARGED BEFORE AND IT, IT, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THROWING A MATCH INTO DRY TENDER. 
          AS FAR AS THE EXISTING LOWER INCOME STABLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS CONCERNED. 
          IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO ADDING THIS SORT OF, OF DENSITY TO THESE KINDS OF NEIGHBORHOODS? WELL, I WILL SAY THAT, UM, RENTS AND SALES PRICES ARE TYPICALLY NOT SUPPOSED TO BE CONSIDERATION IN ZONING CASES AT THE SAME RATE SINCE IT WAS MENTIONED. 
          I WILL SAY THAT, UH, STEP VIEWS IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL DENSITY, IF HOMES ARE BEING CONSUMED, UH, BY ADDING HOMES, WE CAN ABSORB SOME OF THAT. 
          IT'S THE PRESSURE VALVE THAT RELEASES SOME OF THAT. 
          UH, THIS IS NOT OBVIOUSLY A BLANKET REZONING THAT CHANGES EVERY SINGLE LOT. 
          UH, BUT THIS IS A, THIS ALLOWS PRESSURE THAT IS INEVITABLY COMING. 
          IT'S HERE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, PRESSURE BEING EXERTED ON THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER BY THOSE KIND OF MACRO FACTORS THAT ACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UH, STAFF SEES THE ADDITIONAL DENSITY AS THE RELIEF TO THAT RATHER THAN THE CAUSE OF COMMISSIONER HERBERT, THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UM, THANK YOU MR. PEPE AND BATES FOR THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN THIS SITUATION. 
          UM, THE DENSITY, I NOTICED THAT ONE IN DURING NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNICATIONS THAT ONE BEDROOMS AND STUDIO APARTMENTS WERE TAKEN OUT. 
          COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT? I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT THE APPLICANT HAD WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          THE, THE APPLICANT WORKED WITH MULTIPLE COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITH THE COMMUNITY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TYPE OF HOMES THEY'RE LOOKING AT. 
          SOME OF THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OUT OF OUR SCOPE, BUT WE WAS PRESENT, WE OBSERVED IT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT WAS BECAUSE HE WANTED TO HAVE ADDITIONAL FAMILY STYLE HOUSING. 
          UM, LASTLY THE CHURCH THAT WAS MENTIONED, I THINK I NOTICED IT WAS A HISTORICAL OVERLAY ON IT. 
          IS THAT TRUE? AND CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? I THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENT CHURCH. 
          UH, THERE IS, UH, SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH A HISTORIC OVERLAY ON THE, UH, CHURCH THAT'S ON MORALE. 
          UH, THAT ONE HAS A HISTORIC OVERLAY. 
          I DON'T THINK OUR, THE CHURCH INVOLVED IN THIS ZONING CASE AS A HISTORIC OVERLAY OF ANY KIND. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST WANTED A QUICK CLARIFICATION ON THE HEIGHT PROVISION. 
          SO THE MAX HEIGHT IS 36 FEET, AND THEN THERE'S THE LANGUAGE IN THE DESIGN STANDARD SAYING THERE'S AN INITIAL SETBACK OF 10 FEET PROPORTIONS OF A BUILDING HIGHER THAN 40 FEET. 
          IS THAT REFERRING TO THINGS LIKE CHIMNEYS OR CLEAR STORIES OR OTHER THINGS THAT CAN PROJECT 12 FEET ABOVE? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YOUR, YOUR TYPICAL BUILDING, YOUR GENERAL BUILD OUT OF THE BUILDING LIMITED TO 36 FEET. 
          THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THEY DO ALLOW, THE CODE DOES ALLOW PRETTY TYPICAL, UM, SMALL PROJECTIONS. 
          IF THEY INCLUDE THOSE SMALL PROJECTIONS, THEY HAVE TO BE SET BACK, UH, ACCORDING TO THAT PROVISION. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BELAY. 
          SO, UM, LET ME ALSO ASK THE QUESTION, UM, IF YOU'RE DOING THE, THESE ARE FOR DUPLEX, CORRECT? YEP. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          IS IT, THESE ARE FOR DUPLEX OR BUILDOUT 
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WOULD LOOK MORE LIKE A TOWN HOME PRODUCT THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH A SINGLE FAMILY TOWN HOME OR THEY'RE LIKELY, THEY, THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE ON INDIVIDUAL LOTS? I THINK IT'S UNLIKELY THEY'LL BE ON INDIVIDUAL LOTS. 
          UM, BUT THINK MORE, I, I THINK THE APPLICANT CAN SHOW HIS PLANS. 
          HE'S PRETTY DETAILED PLANS AT SOME POINT, BUT THEY'RE NOT DUPLEXES, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONSIDERED MULTI-FAMILY FROM A CODE STANDPOINT. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THE STREET, UH, THEY'RE SMALLER HOMES THAT ARE BUT UP NEXT TO EACH OTHER, THEY HAVE SHARED WALLS, BUT THEY'RE INDIVIDUAL UNITS THAT YOU ENTER FROM A, A GROUND FLOOR, YOU MAY EVEN DRIVE INTO AN INDIVIDUAL GARAGE. 
          THAT'S WHAT HE'S PROPOSED. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE THAT, THE ENHANCED FRONT WHERE THEY HAVE ACCESS. 
          SO, UH, NOT DUPLEX, BUT UH, TECHNICALLY MULTIFAMILY, IT WILL LOOK MORE LIKE A TOWN HOME. 
          BUT THE TOWN HOME IS NOT A WORD IN OUR CODE AT THIS TIME. 
          I, I GUESS I'M GONNA HAVE TO WAIT AND ASK THESE YES, SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS OF THE DEVELOPER. 
          UM, BECAUSE WHEN I SEE MULTIFAMILY, I, I KNOW ITII TYPICALLY SEE APARTMENT. 
          UM, AND, AND THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES, ARE WE, ARE WE USING MF TO GET AROUND A RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE? WELL, MF GOOD QUESTION. 
          MF TYPICALLY HAS RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE APPLYING TO IT. 
          UM, TOWNHOME DOES NOT, TOWNHOME ZONING DOES NOT HAVE RPS APPLYING TO IT. 
          WE'RE MORE TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUAL LOTS. 
          SO IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THE GROUND, YOU'RE LOOKING AT TOWN HOMES, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S LOT LINES UNDERNEATH THOSE OR NOT? PROBABLY NOT UNLESS YOU'RE LIKE A NERD. 
          BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'VE, YOU'VE, IT LOOKS, IF YOU LOOK LIKE TOWN HOMES, BUT YOU'RE ON ONE LOT SECRETLY, YOU KNOW, I SAY SECRETLY, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THERE'S A LOT LINE THAT'S COMMON AROUND THIS. 
          UM, THEY CAN SELL THEM, THEY CAN DO OTHER THINGS WHERE THEY'RE, UM, GROUPED, UM, IN TERMS OF THAT, BUT THEY ARE ON ONE SINGLE LOT. 
          OUR CODE HAS TO CALL THEM MULTI-FAMILY. 
          I WISH IT DIDN'T, I WISH THAT IT HAD MORE NUANCE FOR WHAT WE CALL THINGS, BUT MULTIFAMILY IS THE TERM. 
          SOMEBODY STANDING ON THE STREET MAY OBVIOUSLY INTERPRET IT DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE, UM, CODE DOESN'T REALLY REFLECT REALITY OF PRESENT HOUSING TRANCE. 
          I, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT WAS, WHETHER THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS SAID ABOUT OUR CODE, UM, BEING INSUFFICIENT FOR THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, THAT YOU SEEM TO BE TRYING TO DO. 
          UM, THE ROOF SLOPE, PUTTING THE, OKAY, SO IF WE'RE USING A 36 FOOT HEIGHT MAX AND REQUIRING A SLOPE, IS THIS THE WAY TO FURTHER SECURE A TWO, ONLY A TWO STORY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY. 
          IT, UM, I, I THINK THE APPLICANT WILL TELL YOU THAT, THAT PART OF THE VALUE OF THESE LOTS IS, IS, UM, WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED AND THAT HEIGHT TO A DEGREE IS IMPORTANT, BUT MAKING A HEIGHT MORE, UH, PR MORE ACCEPTABLE FOR SOME IN A, IN A NEIGHBORHOOD I THINK IS THE GOAL OF THAT. 
          SO WHEN WE HAVE OUR SLOPE, UM, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE MORE DETAIL THAN I DID IN THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE BRIEFING. 
          1 66 IS THE, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE YOU HAVE TO HAVE FOR 50 FOOT OF FRONTAGE. 
          SO IT'S 12 SQUARE ROOT OF THAT IS 12, SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE 12 BY 12, UH, SOMETHING OF A PANEL THAT FACES THIS WAY. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE END GOAL OF IT IS TO MAKE IT TWO STORIES, BUT IT IS TO MAKE IT FEEL MORE, UM, SMALL AND HUMAN SCALE IN THE FRONT FRONTAGE. 
          UM, AND I GUESS MY, MY LAST QUESTION AT THIS, AT THIS TIME WOULD BE, UH, THE WALKABILITY THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BECAUSE YOU WILL HOP SCOTCH WITH PROVIDING CURBS AND GUTTER OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THESE AREN'T CONTIGUOUS LOTS. 
          YOU WILL SEE ONE LOT THAT IS ENGINEERED FOR WALKABILITY AND THE REST OF THE, THE COMMUNITY, THE REST OF THIS BLOCK NOT, UM, IS ANY CONSIDERATE WHEN YOUR DECISION HAS BEEN MADE? IT HAS, WAS ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE MOVING FORWARD? YES. 
          NOW GOOD QUESTION. 
          THEY ARE NOT CONTIGUOUS. 
          UM, FIRST ANSWER, WHICH IS, UH, PRELIMINARY IS THE APPLICANT CAN MAYBE 
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SHARE MORE DETAILS WHETHER THEY HAVE PLANS TO MAYBE FINISH OUT OTHER KINDS OF INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE STREET. 
          HE MAY WANT TO, HE'S GOT SEVERAL PROJECTS ON IT. 
          HE MAY HAVE PLANS TO FINISH OUT, UH, VOLUNTEER PORTION, UH, PROPORTIONAL, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, THE THIRD ANSWER IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THREE SITES THAT WOULD BUILD OUT THE SIDEWALK. 
          UM, I'D RATHER SEE SOME SIDEWALK VERSUS ON SOME LOTS RATHER THAN NONE AT ALL. 
          UM, THAT'S WHAT MY NEIGHBORHOOD'S LIKE. 
          I'D RATHER HAVE SOMETHING RATHER THAN NOTHING. 
          AND BEYOND THAT, I THINK THAT WHEN WE HAVE GAPS LIKE THAT WHERE WE STILL HAVE SOME INFRASTRUCTURE BUILD ON IT, IT MAY GIVE, UH, OUR OTHER PROJECTS, OUR OTHER FUNDING SOURCES, UH, BETTER, UM, IMPETUS TO, TO FINISH OUT THOSE. 
          SO IF, IF WE SEE INVESTMENT IN ONE AREA AND WE HAVE PARTIAL, PARTIAL SIDEWALKS, THAT MAY GIVE OUR OUR OTHER FUNDING SOURCES ABILITY TO, UH, LEVERAGE IT TO FINISH OUT SIDEWALKS ALONG THE STREET. 
          AND THE OTHER THING I WAS GONNA SAY WAS THAT, UH, REGARDLESS OF THE STATUS OF SIDEWALKS, WHICH DEFINITELY EXISTS SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IS PEOPLE DO WALK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD REGARDLESS OF THEIR SIDEWALK. 
          AND THAT'S TRUE OF ANYWHERE IN THE CITY, REGARDLESS OF HOW WE BUILD OUT THE STREET, UH, PEOPLE DO WALK AND, AND USE, UH, THE STREET WHETHER THEY, WE MAKE IT SAFE FOR THEM OR NOT. 
          SO I'D RATHER MAKE IT SAFE FOR THEM VERSUS NOT. 
          AND JUST TO ADD A BIT OF COLOR THERE AS WELL WITH SIDEWALKS, UM, I'LL TRY NOT TO SPEAK TOO AUTHORITATIVELY ON THIS AS I'M NOT IN TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT GENERALLY THE CITY, UH, IT HAS VARIOUS PROVISIONS FOR WAIVING THE CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS. 
          AND ONE OF THE MOST COMMON REASONS FOR THAT IS WHEN SOMEONE DEVELOPS SOMETHING ON A BLOCK WHERE THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS, YOU END UP IN THIS SORT OF, UH, VICIOUS CYCLE WHERE THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS ON A BLOCK. 
          SOMEONE COMES IN TO DEVELOP SOMETHING, PULLS A PERMIT, THEY REQUEST A SIDEWALK WAIVER SAYING, HEY, THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS HERE. 
          SIDEWALK DOESN'T GET BUILT. 
          AND CYCLE CONTINUES WITH NO SIDEWALKS EXISTING. 
          UH, WITH THE SIDEWALKS BEING BUILT ON HERE. 
          I BELIEVE THAT IN THE FUTURE, AS OTHER LOTS IN THE SITE, IF THEY ARE TO REDEVELOP OR REBUILD IN A MANNER THAT TRIGGERS, UH, SIDEWALK REQUIREMENTS AT THAT POINT, THAT WOULD NO LONGER BE, UH, I GUESS WE'D SAY AN OUT. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE SOME SIDEWALKS ON THAT BLOCK, IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE ON THIS OTHER LOT DECIDES TO REBUILD AND HOLDS A PERMIT FOR THAT, THEY'LL SAY, OH, THERE'S SIDEWALKS HERE. 
          NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FILL THE SIDEWALK. 
          SO OVER TIME IT WILL FILL IN NATURALLY. 
          UM, AND THAT'S ASSUMING THAT, AS MICHAEL MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT MAY, IF, IF HE DOESN'T ALREADY HAVE PLANS TO BUILD OUT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE STREET. 
          THANK YOU, SECRETARY BROWN. 
          COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER MR. TRUMP. 
          UH, FIRST TO ANSWER, UH, COMMISSIONER HALL'S QUESTION. 
          YOU KNOW, THE CHURCH IS CURRENTLY OCCUPIED. 
          UH, THERE ARE SERVICES, IT'S A SMALL CONGREGATION. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S A DWINDLING CON CONGREGATION, AND IT'S ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MR. CARD AND THE DEVELOPER HAS INDICATED THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA, HE'S GONNA ALLOW THE CHURCH TO OPERATE FOR ANOTHER YEAR OR SO TO ALLOW THEM TO FINALLY DO YOUR CHURCH HOME. 
          SO I DID WANNA CLARIFY THAT. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          IN IN LINE WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S QUESTION AND COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, HOUSE RIGHTS QUESTIONING ON, ON ON THE DESIGN AND ZONING, UH, WHY WAS THIS NOT, UH, IF THESE ARE TOWN HOMES, WHY WAS TOWN HOME ZONING STRAIGHT TOWN HOME ZONING NOT APPROPRIATE? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S WHAT WE SAID ABOUT THE LOTS TOWN HOME ZONING IS NOT SUBJECT TO RRP. 
          S THE ISSUE WITH TOWNHOME ZONING, THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN IN OUR CODE, AND I'M NOT GONNA HESITATE TO CRITICIZE HOW IT WORKS, IS THAT THE DENSITY, UH, AND THE LOT SIZE MAKE IT PRETTY DIFFICULT TO BUILD OUT. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE A 2000 SQUARE FOOT LOT. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE, YOU ALSO HAVE TO MAINTAIN A CERTAIN DEGREE OF DENSITY. 
          SO AS A RESULT, IT'S OFTENTIMES EASIER TO BUILD TOWN HOMES UNDER MULTIFAMILY ZONING BECAUSE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND, AND MULTIFAMILY IS LOWER THAN THE DENSITIES THAT TOWN HOME ALLOWS. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S PERSONAL OPINION. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT THE DENSITIES THAT ARE WRITTEN INTO OUR TOWN HOME DISTRICTS TODAY ARE VERY USABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT AT THIS TIME BECAUSE OF THE, THE DOUBLE DENSITY THAT'S WRITTEN INTO THOSE. 
          UM, THEY'RE NOT VERY PRACTICAL EXCEPT FOR BUILDING, UM, LARGER LOT HOMES. 
          SO, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IF YOU HAVE A A 22,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, WHICH 12, UH, 1200, UH, GRANT STREET CASE ONE 70 IS 22,000 SQUARE FEET AND THEY'RE PROPOSING 16 UNITS, YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU, YOU, YOU, UH, COULD NOT HAVE THAT DENSITY. 
          UH, YOU COULD ONLY HAVE 10 UNITS THERE IF YOU WERE DOING STRAIGHT, UH, HOME ZONING BEYOND JUST THAT. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE, YOU HAVE TO BREAK THEM UP INTO INDIVIDUAL LOTS IN THIS CASE. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE WORKING WITH A TOWNHOME ZONING, THEY HAVE 
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BOTH THAT SINGLE FAMILY, OR EXCUSE ME, THAT LOT SIZE MINIMUM. 
          THEY HAVE A DENSITY AND THEY ALSO SAY YOU HAVE TO SPLIT THEM UP INTO INDIVIDUAL LOTS, AND THAT HAS TO BE SUPPORTED BY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT RUNS EITHER THROUGH THE SITE OR AROUND THE SITE. 
          SO IT'S NOT JUST THAT THE DENSITY WOULD BE DIFFICULT, BUT THE DENSITY WOULD BE DIFFICULT IN A WAY THAT INFRASTRUCTURE CAN BE RAN ONTO THE SITE, UH, THROUGH THE SITE, WHETHER THROUGH A SHARED ACCESS SITUATION. 
          BUT IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS, AH, I HAVE A 22,000 SQUARE FEET, I HAVE A 2000 SQUARE FOOT, UM, MINIMUM LOT SIZE. 
          I CAN BREAK IT UP INTO 11 LOTS, UH, BECAUSE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIREMENTS, UM, TO BREAK IT UP INTO SEVERAL LOTS VERSUS A SINGLE LOT. 
          UH, IT'S QUITE MORE COMPLEX, BUT, BUT IT COULD BE DONE THROUGH REPLANTING, RIGHT? YES. 
          BUT THAT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IT'S MORE, IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY MORE COMPLEX TO DO THAT, UM, TO BREAK IT UP INTO SEVERAL LOTS. 
          AND A LOT OF TIMES YOU DON'T ACTUALLY END UP WITH THAT 0.2 DIVIDED BY 2 22 DIVIDED BY TWO EQUALS 11 LOTS. 
          IT'S SIMPLY NOT, UM, THAT WAY IN REALITY WHEN YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE THINGS IN YOUR STRAIGHT ACCESS EASEMENTS SHOULD ACCESS EASEMENTS, COUNT AGAINST YOUR LOT SIZE, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, SO IT OBVIOUSLY REPRE PLATING ALLOWS YOU TO BREAK A LOT INTO MULTIPLE LOTS. 
          UH, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS THAT. 
          IT'S, THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT, UM, HURDLE TO DEVELOPING ANY KIND OF TOWN HOMES IS THAT THEY HAVE TO BE. 
          SO IF WE WANT TO HAVE A TOWN HOME THAT LOOKS LIKE A, UH, STRUCTURE THAT'S ON ITS OWN, IT HAS INDIVIDUAL ENTRIES AS INDIVIDUAL GARAGES, UM, UNDER A TOWN HOME'S OWNING THAT HAS TO BE ON INDIVIDUAL LOTS. 
          UM, I'M NOT, I'M NOT POSITIVE THE NORMAL PERSON ON THE STREET WILL SEE THOSE LOT LINES. 
          UH, THEY PROBABLY WON'T. 
          UM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, MULTI-FAMILY ALSO WHERE IT'S A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT WHERE IT'S MULTIPLE, UM, UNITS ON ONE LOT, IT CAN LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE TOWN HOMES. 
          BUT THE PROBLEM IS WE HAVE THE, UM, LOT SIZE MINIMUMS AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURAL DIFFICULTIES THAT ARE FROM TOWNHOME. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO, UH, IT, IT CAN'T BE TOWN HOME ZONING. 
          THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU HAVE THE MF TWO BASED ZONING. 
          BUT THE REASON WHY IT'S A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, INSTEAD OF MF TWO REZONING IS TO GET AROUND THE RRP S RIGHT TO, AS WELL AS ADDING SIGNIFICANT DESIGN STANDARD. 
          SO THE RPS WOULD APPLY TO A MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT, IT WOULD NOT APPLY TO A TOWN HOME DISTRICT. 
          UM, BUT THEY NEED A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH OF THOSE DISTRICTS THERE. 
          THE, UH, BUT, BUT YOU COULDN'T BUILD THE MULTI-FAMILY RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO A, YOU KNOW, IN A R FIVE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH RRP S RIGHT? IF YOU PUT MF TWO ONTO ONE OF THESE RAM LOTS, LIKE JUST TO BASE MF TWO, UH, YOU CAN DEVELOP IT WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE RRP S WHICH ALLOWS UP TO 26 FEET, THEN IT SLOPES AWAY AS IT PROCEEDS FARTHER FROM SINGLE FAMILY LOT LINES. 
          BUT IN THIS CASE, WITH THESE PROJECTS, I MEAN, IT, IT, IT, IT IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NEEDED IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, GET RID, UH, UH, BYPASS THE RRP SII THOUGHT I READ THAT IN YOUR CASE REPORT, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S A FACTOR. 
          IT THERE'S MULTIPLE, THERE'S MULTIPLE, IT'S A FACTOR. 
          YOU DO CONCEIVE THAT THERE'S MULTIPLE YES. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S A FACTOR. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, HOW MANY CAN I, THE, THE, IN THE CASE REPORT? CAN I, I'M SORRY. 
          I'M REALLY SORRY. 
          I, I, I, YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IN YOUR CASE REPORT, YOU INDICATE THAT THESE ARE, UH, 1800 SQUARE FOOT UNITS AND, AND SO IN MOST OF 'EM ARE GONNA BE THREE BEDROOMS. IS THAT CORRECT? DO YOU KNOW WHERE THAT IS? OH, I WAS, I WAS TALKING ABOUT ON ONE 70. 
          THERE'S CURRENTLY AN 1800 SQUARE FOOT HOME ON ONE 70. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THESE TOWN HOMES ARE NOT, UH, I THOUGHT READING IN HERE THAT I READ THAT THESE ARE GONNA BE, UH, SOME OF THESE ARE GONNA BE LIKE, MOST OF THESE ARE GONNA BE THREE BEDROOM UNITS. 
          THE PD DOES NOT REGULATE THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS OR THE SQUARE FOOTAGES OF THE HOMES, UH, THAT IS UP TO THE DEVELOPER. 
          AND WHERE WHAT IS REGULATED BY THE PD IS THE SETBACKS AND THE MASSING AND THE HEIGHT. 
          IT DOESN'T REGULATE THE SIZES OF THE INDIVIDUAL UNITS. 
          THE APPLICANT MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK WHAT HIS PLANS ARE FOR THE TYPES OF UNITS, BUT THAT'S HOW, SO WOULD IT BE IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHAT THE PROJECT PROJECTED DENSITY IS FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ON THE END OF A DEAD END STREET WHERE THERE'S ONLY ONE MAJOR ACCESS POINT? UNDERSTOOD. 
          THE MAXIMUM DENSITY IS BUILT INTO THE PD. 
          WE HAVE A MAXIMUM DENSITY, UH, DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE. 
          RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THAT MULTIFAMILY, UM, DWELLING UNIT DENSITIES IS IT KIND OF PENALIZES YOU ON DENSITY FOR LARGER HOMES. 
          SO YOU WANT TO HAVE A TWO BEDROOM, A THREE BEDROOM, UH, UNIT. 
          IT, IT MAKES IT A LITTLE HARDER TO 
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DO THAT UNDER A MULTIFAMILY IN TERMS OF THE DENSITY. 
          UM, THE PART OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE PD DOES ACCOMPLISH IS ALLOWING YOU TO INCENTIVIZE LARGER INDIVIDUAL UNITS BECAUSE IT OVERRIDES THAT DENSITY WITH A 36 FLOWING UNIT DENSITY RATHER THAN A BEDROOM TO BEDROOM DENSITY. 
          OKAY. 
          THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ANYONE FIRST ROUND BEFORE WE GO TO SECOND ROUND. 
          SECOND ROUND? YES SIR. 
          REALLY QUICKLY, I KNOW A LOT OF THESE INFIELD DEVELOPMENTS OR EVEN NEW DEVELOPMENTS OF THIS TYPE OF MULTI-FAMILY, THE GARAGES KIND OF FACE EACH OTHER. 
          WAS THERE ANYTHING IN THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN YOUR CASE REPORT, UM, THAT ADDRESSED THAT DO, OR IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE IN THESE? UM, IT'S LOT. 
          IT'S POSSIBLE. 
          WE REALLY CONCERN OURSELVES WITH PUBLIC FACING REALM IN THIS SCENARIO. 
          THEY, THEY COULD HAVE INTERNAL GARAGES. 
          THEY DEFINITELY HAVE TO SET BACK THEIR, THEIR PARKING AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THEY HAVE TO LIMIT THEIR ACCESS TO, TO ONE, THEY CAN ONLY HAVE ONE ACCESS RUNNING FROM THE, THE STREET INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, WHICH MAKES THE STREET FACE A LOT BETTER IN TERMS OF SAFETY AND, AND QUALITY. 
          UM, SO WE FOCUS MORE ON THE PUBLIC REALM. 
          IT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT CAN BE WRITTEN INTO A PD, BUT IT GETS PRETTY DETAILED, UM, TO THE DEGREE THAT IT MAY, ADDING THOSE KINDS OF THINGS MAY MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY GET THEIR, THEIR FINAL PERMITS IF YOU GET TOO GRANULAR WITH HOW THE INTERNAL ASPECTS MAY LOOK. 
          SO WE, WE FOCUSED IN, GENERALLY FOCUSED, ESPECIALLY ON THE PUBLIC REALM. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, LET'S, UH, LET'S KEEP MOVING. 
          GO TO CASE NUMBER FIVE. 
          WHY NOT COMMISSIONER TURNOCK, WOULD YOU LIKE THIS ONE BRIEFED? UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS CASE OR REQUEST IT TO BE BRIEFED? THAT'S FINE. 
          AND I KNOW YOU HAVE THE AGENDA COMPLETELY MEMORIZED AND YOU REMEMBER WHAT ONE IS FINE. 
          WE'LL GIVE YOU TIME TO READ. 
          YEAH, YOU'RE GOOD ON THAT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, SO THEN LET'S GO TO, UM, NUMBER EIGHT THAT ALSO COME UP. 
          CONSENT EIGHT. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          THIS IS CASE NUMBER Z 2 3 4 2 6 9. 
          IT'S A GENERAL ZONING CHANGE FROM AN R 10, UH, TO CR LOCATED AT 500 SOUTH BELT LINES AS MENTIONED, AS IS THE GENERAL ZONING, UH, CHANGE FOR, UH, FROM AN R 10 A TO A CR REQUEST. 
          UH, THE REQUEST IS TO DEVELOP A RETAIL DEVELOPMENT IN A MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION AT THE SITE. 
          IT'S LOCATED ON THE NORTH CORNER OF SOUTH BELT LINE ROAD AND LAWSON ROAD. 
          IT'S APPROXIMATELY 3.2 ACRES IN DISTRICT EIGHT. 
          HERE'S THE LOCATION, THE AERIAL. 
          UM, SO THE ZONING, UM, IT IS CURRENTLY, UH, ZONED R 10. 
          THERE'S SOME SINGLE FAMILY USES TO THE NORTH, UM, AND NORTHEAST. 
          UM, THERE ARE TWO, UM, CS DISTRICTS TO THE NORTHEAST AND TO THE SOUTHWEST DIRECTLY ACROSS LAWSON ROAD. 
          THERE, UH, IS A RETAIL DEVELOPMENT, UH, WITH, UM, A GENERAL MERCHANDISE STORE AS WELL AS SELF STORAGE. 
          AND THEN FURTHER THERE IS SOME MANUFACTURED HOMES. 
          AND THEN TO THE, UM, SOUTHWEST, THERE'S MORE, UM, SINGLE FAMILY. 
          THE SITE IS CURRENTLY VACANT. 
          UM, AND THERE ARE, UM, EXISTING SIMILAR USES SURROUNDING, UM, THE CS TO THE SOUTHWEST WAS APPROVED ON IN, UH, 2018. 
          BUT THAT SITE IS, UH, ALSO VACANT HERE ARE SITE PHOTOS ACROSS BELTLINE AND FARTHER UP BELTLINE ROAD ONTO THE SITE. 
          AND THEN ON LAWSON ROAD ONTO THE SITE AS WELL. 
          SO HERE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. 
          UM, SO YOU CAN SEE AT THE, UM, CURRENT SETBACKS ARE 30 FEET. 
          THE PROPOSED WOULD BE 15, UM, AND THEN SIDE SETBACKS WOULD BE 20 FEET ADJACENT TO ANY RESIDENTIAL. 
          THE, UH, LOCK COVERAGE WOULD, WOULD GO FROM, UM, 45% TO 60% IN 
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THIS PROPOSED THINNING CHANGE. 
          AND, UM, IT DOES FALL OVER THE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE AS THIS WAS, UH, APPLIED FOR BEFORE THE ADOPTION OF THE NEW FORWARD DALLAS. 
          UM, THE, UH, PREVIOUS PLAN WAS, UH, WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. 
          SO THIS DOES, UH, MEET GOAL 2.1. 
          IT'S, UH, TO PROMOTE BALANCE, BALANCE GROWTH AND ENSURE THAT ZONING IS FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO RESPOND TO CHANGING ECONOMIC CONDITIONS. 
          AND THEN, UH, GOAL 5.3, ESTABLISH WALK TO CONVENIENCE AND, UH, ENCOURAGING A BALANCE OF LAND USES WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF EACH OTHER. 
          STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL, UH, FOR THIS CASE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER BLACK. 
          UH, YOU AWARE THAT RIGHT, THAT RIGHT BEHIND IT IS A RESIDENTIAL USE? I WAS AWARE OF THAT, YES. 
          AND WITH THE, UH, GAS CEILING STATION, UM, THIS IS A STRAIGHT ZONING. 
          THERE IS, THERE IS NO POSITION FOR BUFFERING, IS THAT CORRECT? THE, I I DID, UH, LET THE, THE APPLICANT KNOW THAT THERE, THERE WOULD BE, UM, SOME BUFFERING TAKEN INTO, INTO ACCOUNT HERE. 
          UM, AND THEY'VE UPDATED THEIR, THEIR, UM, PLANS TO ALLOW FOR, FOR BUFFERING THERE. 
          UM, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND THE APPLICANT MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THIS MORE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, ADJACENT TO THE, THE RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE, UH, THE RETAIL USE RATHER THAN THE MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING USE. 
          THAT WOULD BE CLOSER TO THE BELTLINE PORTION. 
          SO, AND, AND BELTLINE IS THIS BELTLINE CURVES AT THIS PARTICULAR SITE. 
          IT'S A ODD TYPE OF SHAPE OF, UH, MOST OF THE LOTS OUT THERE ARE ODD SHAPE. 
          UM, SO THE, I GUESS THIS QUESTION WOULD BE FOR ENGINEERING, THE, THE EGRESS AND INGRESS ON THE BELT LINE OPPOSED TO IT, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SLOPING AND, AND THE, UH, FUELING STATION. 
          SO I GUESS I'LL SAY THAT FOR, FOR, UH, IN, FOR THE ENGINEERS. 
          UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW. 
          THANK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS CASE? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. 
          LET'S GO TO CASE NUMBER NINE. 
          GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. 
          WE'D LIKE A BRIEFING ON THIS ONE. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD. 
          YES. 
          ALL RIGHT, NEXT IS, UH, ITEM NINE. 
          IT'S CASE Z 2 34 DASH 2 73. 
          IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT ON PROPERTIES ON AN R SEVEN FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT, UH, LOCATED ON THE EAST LINE OF TOLUCA AVENUE NORTH OF CIRCLE DRIVE. 
          IT'S ABOUT 14,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, LOCATION MAP SHOWING THE PROPERTY AND CITY LIMITS AERIAL MAP WITH THE AREA REQUEST OUTLINED IN BLUE AND ZONING MAP WITH SURROUNDING ZONING DISTRICTS AND LAND USES. 
          UH, FOR THE MOST PART, THE SURROUNDING ZONING IS R SEVEN FIVE A, UH, TO THE NORTH AND NORTHEAST IS A UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY AS WELL AS AN OLD, UH, SUP THAT, UH, HAS A PERMANENT EXPIRATION DATE. 
          UM, BUT THAT SITE IS UNDEVELOPED, UH, TO THE SOUTH, UH, OUR EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY USES. 
          AND THEN TO THE WEST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY, OUR OTHER SINGLE FAMILY USES AS WELL AS UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY. 
          THE AREA OF REQUEST IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED, AND THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DEVELOP, UH, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES UNDER A STRAIGHT TH THREE A DISTRICT. 
          UH, THIS IS ON TO LUCA AVENUE, REALLY AT THE TERMINATION OF THE EXISTING TO LUCA AVENUE, UH, LOOKING NORTHEAST AND THEN FURTHER 
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INTO THE PROPERTY, UH, ALSO LOOKING KIND OF NORTHEAST OR EAST. 
          LET'S SEE THAT IT'S VERY UNDEVELOPED. 
          AND, UH, THIS IS SORT OF, UH, AT THE TERMINUS OF LUCA AVENUE LOOKING NORTHWEST. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE HIGHWAY, UH, IMMEDIATELY WEST OF THIS PROPERTY, THAT RETAINING WALL, AND THEN LOOKING SOUTHWEST ALONG TOLUCA AVENUE AND SEE WHERE THAT, UH, EXISTING ROAD TERMINATES. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN START TO SEE, UH, SOME OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT EXIST TO THE SOUTH OF THIS REQUEST AREA. 
          AND THIS IS ON, UH, TOLUCA, UH, LOOKING NORTHEAST. 
          THESE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE CURRENT R 75 A DISTRICT, AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED TH H THREE A DISTRICT. 
          UH, WON'T GO INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL ABOUT THESE OTHER THAN TO SAY, UH, THAT IN THE TH THREE A DISTRICT, UH, THERE IS A DWELLING UNIT, DENSITY RESTRICTION OF 12 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. 
          UH, THAT LEADS TO AN AVERAGE, UH, SQUARE FEET PER UNIT OF ABOUT 3,600 SQUARE FEET. 
          UM, I THINK IF I RAN THE MATH CORRECTLY, THAT THEY COULD GET ABOUT TWO OR THREE UNITS, UH, ON THIS PROPERTY, UH, WITH THAT DWELLING UNITS DENSITY. 
          ONCE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE IS CONSIDERED, UH, INCREASE IN HEIGHT OF ABOUT SIX FEET, UM, AND THEN INCREASE IN LOCK COVERAGE FROM 45% TO 60%. 
          THOSE ARE THE MAIN DIFFERENCES BETWEEN R SEVEN FIVE A AND TH THREE. 
          A, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL, AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          QUESTIONS MR. CHAIR. 
          QUESTION FOUR, SIR. 
          UM, I DON'T HAVE THE CASE REPORT UP. 
          UM, COULD YOU CONFIRM HOW MANY UNITS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE? YEAH, SO THIS IS A GENERAL ZONING CHANGE. 
          UH, SO THE APPLICANT ISN'T REQUIRED TO COMMIT TO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF UNITS, UH, WITH THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. 
          UH, BUT AGAIN, JUST GOING BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, WITH THAT DWELLING UNIT DENSITY RESTRICTION, THEY REQUIRE ABOUT 3,600 SQUARE FEET PER, UH, UNIT. 
          UM, THEY COULD GET TWO OR MAYBE THREE UNITS ON THIS PROPERTY, UM, ONCE INFRASTRUCTURE IS KIND OF FACTORED INTO THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          MR. HALL WAS, DID I HEAR YOUR VOICE THERE? YES, SIR. 
          YEAH. 
          YES YOU DID. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          UH, MR. MULKEY, UH, HOW ARE THEY GONNA GET INTO THIS PLACE? ARE THEY GONNA HAVE TO BUILD A ROAD INTO THERE, EXTEND, EXTEND THAT EXISTING ROAD, OR, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. 
          UM, THAT IS, UH, THE SITUATION. 
          UM, THIS APPLICANT HAS BEEN INFORMED OF THE FACT THAT THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR FUNDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF EXTENDING THE ROAD, UH, TO THEIR PROPERTY. 
          THEY'VE MET WITH, UM, TRANSPORTATION STAFF AS WELL AS SUBDIVISION STAFF. 
          THEY'VE HAD A PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING, UH, AND ARE AWARE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE TRIGGERED AT PERMITTING, UH, IF THEIR REZONING WERE APPROVED, UM, AND THEY HAVE ELECTED TO PROCEED, UH, WITH THE ZONING CASE. 
          AND WOULD THEY JUST BE REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT ONE ACCESS? UH, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE IF MR. NAVAREZ, UH, IS ON THE CALL CURRENTLY. 
          HE MAY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE DETAILED INFORMATION, UH, BUT THEY WOULD NEED TO EXTEND TO LUCA. 
          UM, AND IT WOULD NEED TO, AS I UNDERSTAND, TERMINATE AND SORT OF A CUL-DE-SAC ON THEIR PROPERTY. 
          UH, AND THEN FROM THAT CUL-DE-SAC, THEY COULD HAVE, UH, LOTS RENTING ONTO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAN. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I WAS TRYING TO LOOK IT UP QUICKLY AND I CAN'T GET IT THERE. 
          SO I'LL SIMPLY ASK, DO I RECALL THAT THERE IS A BUFFER THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED BETWEEN THE R 75 AND THE TH DISTRICT? UM, I CAN'T RECALL OFFHAND IF A RESIDENTIAL BUFFER IS TRIGGERED BETWEEN TH AND R. 
          OKAY. 
          I, WE COULD MAYBE JUST CONFIRM THAT BEFORE THE HEARING. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, KEEP GOING. 
          R TWO CASE NUMBER 10. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT INTO JANUARY. 
          WE'LL BRIEF IT THEN. 
          CASE NUMBER 11, UH, D FIVE CASE. 
          I DON'T NEED A BRIEF. 
          DOES ANYBODY REQUEST TO HAVE IT BRIEFED OR QUESTIONS ON NUMBER 11? OKAY. 
          TAKES US TO NUMBER 12. 
          DO WE NEED THIS ONE, PLEASE? YES, SIR. 
          PERFECT, THANK YOU. 
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THIS IS, UH, ITEM 12, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 3 0 1 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A TOWER INTENDED FOR CELLULAR COMMUNICATION, LIMITED TO A MONOPOLE CELLULAR TOWER ON PROPERTY ZONE IN AA AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHBOUND WEST KEITH BOULEVARD, EAST OF MOUNTAIN CREEK PARKWAY. 
          APPROXIMATELY 2,500 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE, UH, LOCATED HERE IN OUR SOUTHWESTERN PORTION OF THE CITY MOUNTAIN CREEK AREA. 
          UH, HERE'S AN AERIAL MAP. 
          UH, THIS IS OF THE APPROXIMATE SITE, I WOULD SAY'S THE SCALE, UH, BUT JUST GENERALLY GIVEN THE LOCATION OF WHERE THE CELL TOWER WILL BE. 
          UH, HERE'S A ZONING MAP SHOWING THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          THE MAJORITY OF IT IS ZONED, UH, AGRICULTURAL, UH, DBU DALLAS BAPTIST TO THE NORTH. 
          UH, THEN TO THE NORTHWEST IS DOWN CREEK LAKE AND VARIOUS KIND UTILITY LINES UNDEVELOPED. 
          IT IS ZONED R 7.5. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO THE, UH, UTILITY OF GOVERNMENTAL INSTALLATION. 
          THAT'S JUST THE DPD UH, UH, FIRING RANGE. 
          AND THEN TO THE SOUTH IS P 6 55, WHICH IS SINGLE FAMILY. 
          AND THE SITE'S CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED. 
          AND I SAID THERE WAS TO CONSTRUCT A CELL TOWER AND THEY DIDN'T AN SUP TO DO SO. 
          UH, IT WAS A BIT HARD TO GET PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT SITE, PARTLY JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NO SAFE PLACE TO PULL OVER ON WEST KEAS BOULEVARD. 
          ALSO, IT'S TUCKED IN PRETTY FAR DEEP INTO THE, THE PROPERTY, SO YOU CAN'T REALLY GET A PHOTO OF THAT. 
          UH, BUT HERE'S SOME PHOTOS FROM GOOGLE STREET VIEW DATED OF JANUARY, 2024, JUST SHOWING THE GENERAL AREA. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, HEAVY VEGETATION, UH, LOTS OF TREES. 
          VERY, UH, VERY NICE AREA. 
          UH, HERE WE SEE LOOKING AWAY FROM THE SIDE TOWARDS DBU, UH, HERE, THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS, UH, A LOT TO READ HERE, BUT THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT IS IT'S 10 YEAR, UH, SUP WITH AUTOMATIC RENEWALS, UH, LIMITED TO 150 FEET IN HEIGHT, NOT INCLUDING A LIGHTNING ROD. 
          THERE IS A PROVISION THAT THEY MUST ALLOW, UH, CO-LOCATION FOR AT LEAST FOUR WIRELESS COMMUNICATION CARRIERS, AND IT MUST BE MADE, UH, MADE AVAILABLE TO OTHER CARRIERS UPON REASONABLE TERMS. UM, AND THEN YOUR FORWARD PLATE MAINTENANCE AND GENERAL REQUIREMENTS, UH, THIS IS A VIEW OF THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. 
          UH, IT'S BROKEN DOWN INTO THE OVERALL SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THE PROPERTY AT WRIT LARGE. 
          THEN THE COMPOUND ITSELF AND THE ELEVATION CROSS SECTION VIEW. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL 10 YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES. 
          UM, SO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, UM, THAT'S NEAREST HERE IS CAPELLA PARK. 
          THERE WASN'T A MENTION OF THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE CASE REPORT, AND NEIGHBORS WANTED TO BE SURE THAT THAT WAS CONSIDERED, THAT THIS, UM, A MULTIFAMILY HAS BEEN REZONED DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE COMING. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CONSIDER IN THIS CASE? UH, IN TERMS OF THAT, WHILE WE LOOK AT JUST THE GENERAL AREA OF WHAT'S AROUND THERE, UM, I KNOW THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN SPECIFICALLY. 
          UH, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE FOUND THAT GIVEN THE REMOTE NATURE, GIVEN THE REMOTE WHERE IT'S LOCATED FOR PRETTY FAR AWAY GONNA READ IT, THAT'S SOME CROSSED ON, UH, GIVEN THE WAY THAT IT'S CITED, UH, WE DON'T FIND IT TO BE, UH, DETRIMENTAL TO ANY OF THE SURROUNDING USES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, LASTLY, THE, UM, I SENT YOU AN EMAIL ABOUT FENCING. 
          UM, THE NEIGHBORS CAN SEE THIS PROTRUDING FROM AREAS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THE ACTUAL FENCING WON'T BE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC REALM AS DEVELOPMENT STANDS TODAY, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          UH, BASED ON WHAT I, UH, TALKED ABOUT WITH THE APPLICANT, JUST THE HEIGHT OF A FENCING COMPARED TO THE HEIGHT OF ALL THE VEGETATION AROUND THERE. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD SEE THE FENCING. 
          YOU WOULD PROBABLY SEE THE TOWER, BUT NOT . 
          OKAY. 
          TWO MORE QUESTIONS. 
          THERE'S ANOTHER TOWER NEARBY THAT FLASHES RED AND WHITE ALL NIGHT BECAUSE I CAN SEE IT FROM MY BEDROOM. 
          UM, BUT WILL, THIS TOWER ISN'T GONNA BE AS TALL, AM I CORRECT? UH, I'M NOT SURE OF THE HEIGHT OF THAT TOWER, BUT THIS ONE'S GONNA BE 150 FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND I'M GETTING TO THE LIGHTING QUESTION. 
          THERE'S NO LIGHTING ON THIS TOWER, AND THERE WAS JUST A, SO IT, JENNIFER, I THANK YOU ON. 
          YOU'RE OFF MUTE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO I, THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT IN THE NEWS RECENTLY OF SOMEONE HITTING A TOWER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          UM, I ASKED, THIS CASE DOES HAVE FAA APPROVAL, UM, FOR FIGHT REG REGULATIONS. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? UH, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, BASED ON SOME OF THE EMAILS THAT WENT BY, I BELIEVE THE FAA DID REVIEW THIS, IT DOES MEET STANDARDS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COULD WE, UH,  IT DOESN'T LIKE YOU, JENNIFER. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          UM, IT, SHE DID PUT IT ON MUTE. 
          IT KEEPS COMING OFF. 
          UM, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          LASTLY, IS THERE A ROAD IN AND OUT TO THIS LOCATION? HOW WILL THEY, THEY ACCESS IT IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY? UH, YES, 
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THERE WILL BE A GRAVEL ROAD, UH, UH, BUILT OUT THAT CONNECTS FROM, I HAD I TO PULL IT UP ON A MAP, BUT IT CONNECTS FROM THE, UH, ROAD THAT COMES OFF OF KEY BOULEVARD. 
          IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE SITE AND UP TO THE, UH, TO THE COMPOUND ITSELF. 
          IT WOULD BE A GRAVEL ROAD, NOT A PAVEMENT, UH, JUST TO, WHICH IS NICE, REDUCES PER OR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S A ROAD THAT EXISTS TODAY THAT DBU OWNS AND OPERATE. 
          THIS IS DBU LAND THAT THEY'RE LEASING TO THIS COMPANY, THAT THAT ROAD IS GATED OFF USUALLY AND LOCKED. 
          IS THAT THE SAME ENTRANCE AND ACCESS THEY PLAN ON USING, OR YOU'RE NOT SURE? I BELIEVE IT WILL BE, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT IT WOULD, UM, I, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY'LL SET UP AN AGREEMENT WITH DDU FOR ACCESS, FOR E EMERGENCY FOR UTILITY. 
          OKAY. 
          COMPANIES. 
          YEP. 
          THIS, THIS CASE IS ON CONSENT, SO WE WON'T HEAR FROM YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, YOU GO TO CASE 13. 
          13. 
          JUST A CORRECTION IS ACTUALLY IN, IN DISTRICT FIVE. 
          UH, I DON'T NEED A BRIEF. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT BRIEF? MR. CARPENTER, PLEASE? OH, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          DOES IT NEED TO BE BRIEFED FOR ME TO ASK A QUESTION? UH, PROBABLY NOT. 
          NO. 
           WELL, I GOT MY, WE HAVE THESE TWO CELL TOWER CASES BACK TO BACK. 
          THE ONE WE JUST HEARD IS A 10 AND 10, AND THIS ONE'S A FIVE AND FIVE. 
          I WAS WONDERING WHAT THE RATIONALE WAS FOR THE FIVE AND FIVE RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO STAFF WAS RECOMMENDING THE FIVE, UM, WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTO RENEWAL, JUST TO HAVE THE, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THE OPERATOR IS CONTINUING TO OPERATE AGAINST STANDING, UM, AND BASICALLY HAVE THEM, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO NOT GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN SO THEY CAN JUST RESUBMIT FOR AUTO RENEWAL. 
          IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY OF OTHER, UM, BUSINESSES AND RESIDENCES CLOSE BY AS OPPOSED TO THE LAST CASE THAT WAS IN A MORE ISOLATED SITUATION? YES, THAT WAS CONSIDERED. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          CAN I, CAN I ADDRESS, SIR? I'M SORRY. 
          WE, WE DON'T HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ON THE BRIEFING. 
          IT'S JUST THE BRIEFING. 
          OKAY. 
          WE CAN HEAR FROM YOU IN THIS, THIS AFTERNOON, BUT THIS CASE IS ON, ON CONSENT, SO UNLESS IT GETS PULLED OFF CONSENT, WE WON'T HEAR FROM. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON MS. ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, GO TO NUMBER 14. 
          COMMISSIONER HOUSE RIGHT IS, IS NOT HERE. 
          UH, I ANY QUESTIONS OR REQUEST TO BRIEF THIS ONE? YES, SIR. 
          MR. SLEEP. 
          I I WANTED TO ASK, UH, STAFF, THEY CAN EXPLAIN, I, I KNOW THIS APPLICANT APPLIED FOR A, UM, A, UH, PD AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, UH, A SUP INSTEAD OF THE PD. 
          CAN YOU, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE THINKING THERE? FIRST OF ALL, CERTAINLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHEN WE LOOK AT A PD REQUEST, UH, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE WANT TO ANALYZE IS THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE PD. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD REASONS TO GO WITH A PD FOR VARIOUS CASES, AND THERE ARE SOMETIMES REASONS THAT ARE NOT AS COMPELLING. 
          WHEN YOU LOOK AT A PD, YOU'RE BALANCING THE REQUEST OF DEVIATIONS AND ENHANCEMENTS AGAINST THE BROADER PUBLIC BENEFIT. 
          RECENTLY, FOR INSTANCE, THERE WAS A CASE WHERE THERE WAS A VERY SIMPLE, STRAIGHTFORWARD SMALL PD, BUT THE PUBLIC BENEFIT WAS THAT HAVING A PD WOULD ALLOW A CERTAIN TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS CONSIDERED DESIRABLE IN THIS SITUATION. 
          COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU JUST SAID. 
          OH, SURE. 
          I, I WAS SAYING THAT WE RECENTLY HAD A CASE, FOR INSTANCE, WHERE THERE WAS A PD THAT WAS, IT WAS VERY SIMPLE. 
          THERE WASN'T A LOT TO IT, IT WAS A VERY SMALL SIZE, BUT THE REQUESTED DEVIATION IN THAT CASE WOULD ALLOW FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS DESIRABLE TO THE PUBLIC. 
          IN THIS CASE, IT WAS CERTAIN, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND THE TYPE OF ZONING DISTRICT THAT WAS FOUND TO BE, UH, DESIRABLE IN THE AREA. 
          SO I'M JUST GIVING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          WITH THIS CASE, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE PD REQUEST, THE PRIMARY DEVIATIONS OR THE CHANGES FROM YOUR BASE ZONING CODE, UH, THAT WERE REQUESTED HAD TO DO WITH THE LANDSCAPING AND WITH THE USE ITSELF IN THE EXISTING DISTRICT THAT IT IS, IT'S A LO ONE LIMITED OFFICE DISTRICT, IT DOES ALLOW THE REQUESTED USE THE PRIVATE RECREATION CENTER, UH, WITH AN SUP, THE PD WAS REQUESTING THAT IT BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT. 
          THE END RESULT, WHETHER WITH 
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AN SUP OR A PD WOULD BE THAT YOU END UP WITH A PRIVATE RECREATION CENTER. 
          SO WHEN WE HAVE A PD THAT IS REQUESTING JUST A ALLOWING USE BY RIGHT VERSUS BY SUP GENERALLY IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO, IF THAT'S THE, ONE OF THE ONLY COMPONENTS OF IT TO GO WITH THAT. 
          BECAUSE WHETHER YOU'RE USING AN SUP OR A PD, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS STILL KIND OF UNDERGOING THE SAME SCRUTINY. 
          YOU'RE CREATING EITHER A CONCEPTUAL PLAN OR DEVELOPMENT PLAN, OR YOU'RE CREATING A SITE PLAN. 
          YOU ARE SETTING CONDITIONS, YOU ARE PUTTING CONDITIONS ON HOURS OF OPERATION, FOR INSTANCE, YOU'RE PUTTING CONDITIONS ON PARKING. 
          SO YOU HAVE SORT OF THE SAME PATH WITH, OR DIFFERENT PATHS THAT END UP WITH THE SAME RESULT. 
          SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS REQUEST, UH, LOOKING AT KIND OF THE TOTALITY OF IT, THEY WERE ASKING FOR THE USE TO BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT, WHICH WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AS HAVING THE SUP GRANTED FOR A PERMANENT TIME PERIOD OR EVEN JUST A VERY LONG TIME PERIOD. 
          AND THEY WERE ASKING FOR SOME DEVIATIONS ON LANDSCAPING. 
          UH, IN THE INITIAL STAFF REVIEW, WE FOUND THAT THE REQUEST FOR DEVIATION FROM LANDSCAPING, IT DIDN'T, IT WASN'T TO US A COMPELLING ENOUGH REASON TO GO WITH A PD VERSUS JUST HAVING AN SUP THAT IDEALLY WOULD FOLLOW ARTICLE 10 LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS. 
          UH, THAT BEING SAID, UH, THE APPLICANT BILL, THEY HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION KIND OF ON WHY THEY NEEDED THE, OR REQUESTED THE DEVIATION ON THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS. 
          BUT, UH, I WILL SAY THAT WITH AN SUPA SITE PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN COULD BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT THAT DEVIATES FROM THE ARTICLE 10 STANDARDS. 
          AND IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, THEN IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE FINE. 
          UM, IT WOULD ALLOW 'EM TO HAVE, UH, THE FULL SET OF PARKING ON THE EASTERN SIDE. 
          SO THAT WAS KIND OF A LONG ANSWER THERE. 
          I I THINK I TOOK US SEE A BIT OF A ROAD THERE, BUT THE LONG AND SHORT WAS THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING FOR WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED IN THE PD, UH, THE MAJORITY OF IT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED JUST THROUGH AN SUP USING BASE CODE AS WELL AS THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN THE SUP AND THE QUESTION REGARDING THE LANDSCAPING AND WHETHER THEY CAN DEVIATE FROM THAT, THAT ARGUMENT COULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE SITE PLAN THAT IS ULTIMATELY THE OCCUPIED COUNSEL IF THIS WERE TO GO FORWARD. 
          DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? UH, I IT, IT DOES, BUT IT, IT, IT BEGS ANOTHER QUESTION AND THAT IS THAT IF THE, UH, IF, IF THERE'S A CHANGE IN THE, IN THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENT, DOES THAT END UP HAVING, UM, UM, AN IMPACT ON THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT THEY COULD DO ON THE SITE? YES. 
          IF THE, WITH THE ARTICLE 10 REQUIREMENTS, THERE IS WHAT'S CALLED THE RESIDENTIAL BUFFER ZONE REQUIREMENT. 
          IT IS TRIGGERED BY THE ADJACENT PD TO THE EAST, WHICH IS CONSIDERED A RESIDENTIAL PD OR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. 
          AS SUCH, IT REQUIRES A MINIMUM FIVE FEET OF BUFFERING FROM THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE WITH AN AVERAGE OVERALL OF 10 FOOT OF BUFFER. 
          SO IT'S BETWEEN FIVE AND 30 FEET IS, IS THE RANGE, AND IT HAS TO AVERAGE 10 FEET. 
          THE WAYS TO COMPLY WITH THAT ARE BURIED. 
          YOU COULD HAVE JUST A STRAIGHT 10 FOOT BUFFER THAT WOULD WORK, BUT IT WOULD ELIMINATE ALL THE PARKING ON THAT EASTERN SIDE. 
          THE OTHER WAY TO POSSIBLY ADDRESS IT WOULD BE THROUGH WHAT WE CALL LANDSCAPE ISLANDS, WHERE ALONG THAT BUFFER ZONE YOU JUST PUT IN ISLANDS WITH LANDSCAPING THAT MEETS ARTICLE 10 REQUIREMENTS, UH, THAT'S OF SUFFICIENT WIDTH OR DEPTH THAT WOULD BRING THAT AVERAGE OVERALL UP TO 10 FEET. 
          UH, AND DISCUSSING WITH THE APPLICANT RECENTLY, UH, AFTER DOCKET WAS POSTED, UH, THEY DO HAVE CONCERNS THAT EVEN IF THEY WENT WITH THE, UH, LANDSCAPE ISLAND METHOD, IT WOULD STILL LEAD INTO THEIR PARKING SUBSTANTIALLY. 
          UH, GENERALLY WE DO LIKE TO TRY TO FOLLOW ARTICLE 10 TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES, AND WE GENERALLY FIND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, CODE IS, I DON'T WANNA JUST SAY CODE IS CODE, BUT THE CODE IS THE CODE AND THAT IT'S SORT OF INCUMBENT UPON DEVELOPERS TO FOLLOW THAT TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITIES. 
          WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE NATURE OF HOW THAT EASTERN SITE IS DEVELOPED, WHICH IS, THERE'S A FLATTED ALLEYWAY THERE, THERE'S SOME UNDEVELOPED LAND TO THE EAST SOUTHEAST OF THAT SITE, AND THEN WHERE THE SITE IS, THE NEIGHBORING SITE IS DEVELOPED, THERE'S ALSO A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF PARKING THERE. 
          IF THERE WERE TO GO WITH A SUB ARTICLE 10 LANDSCAPING PLAN, IT WOULD NOT BE THE, IT WOULDN'T BE THE END OF THE WORLD, I'LL PUT IT THAT WAY. 
          IT'S, I THINK THERE'S SUFFICIENT SPACING FROM THE SUBJECT SITE AND THE NEIGHBORING SITE THAT A, UH, REDUCED RESIDENTIAL BUFFER ZONE OR NO RESIDENTIAL BUFFER ZONE, IT WOULD BE LESS OF A CONCERN VERSUS IF THERE WERE RESIDENTIAL UNITS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO IT. 
          SO WHAT, WOULD IT BE CORRECT TO SAY THEN THAT THE, UH, THE NET EFFECT OF FOLLOWING THE SUP AS AS YOU'RE RECOMMENDING, WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD END UP WITH LESS PARKING THAN THEY WOULD HAVE IN THEIR PD APPLICATION? 
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THAT IS CORRECT. 
          IF YOU WENT WITH JOSEPH STRAIT, SUP, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AS IS, UH, THERE WOULD LIKELY BE LESS PARKING THERE. 
          UM, AND THE PARKING REQUIREMENT OR THE PARKING CONDITION, THE WAY IT'S SET NOW, UM, WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO BE ADJUSTED, UH, BASED ON THAT. 
          UM, THAT BEING SAID, THE THIS BODY CAN ALSO MOVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO FRIENDS, FOR EXAMPLE, RECOMMENDED SEP WITH CERTAIN CHANGES TO EITHER THE CONDITIONS OR SITE PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN. 
          UH, AT THAT POINT THEN, UH, THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO DEVELOP ON THAT MEETS THOSE. 
          UH, AND, AND FOR A USE LIKE THIS, IT WOULD SEEM THAT, THAT THIS, AS I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS USE, UH, PARKING IS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT IN ORDER TO HAVE THEM NOT HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND, AROUND THEM. 
          SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE, UM, UM, THE NEED FOR PARKING MIGHT OUTWEIGH THE, UM, UH, THE EFFECT OF REQUIRING A GREATER LANDSCAPE BUFFER. 
          WOULD, IS THAT A, IS THAT, WOULD YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT? I WOULD DISAGREE. 
          NO, I WOULDN'T. 
          I THINK THAT'S, IT'S A REASONABLE OKAY. 
          REASONABLE TAKE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. BETOS ACTUALLY WAS A REQUEST TO BRIEF IT. 
          NOW, IF YOU DON'T MIND BRIEFLY BRIEFING IT. 
          YES. 
          THIS HAS BEEN THROUGH SO MANY ITERATIONS. 
          I THINK IT'S WORTH A BRIEFING. 
          UH, THIS IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH 1 78. 
          THIS IS GONNA BE A LONG ONE, BUT BEAR WITH ME. 
          IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR A TH THREE, A TOWN TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE IN L OH ONE, LIMITED OFFICE DISTRICT WITH CONSIDERATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE RECREATION CENTER, CLUB OR AREA. 
          AND WITH CONSIDERATION FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR LL ONE LIMITED OFFICE DISTRICT USES, LOCATED ON THE NORTH LINE OF EAST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, EAST OF BLOCK HAVEN DRIVE, UH, LOCATED HERE, UH, FAR NORTHEASTERN AREA OF THE CITY. 
          UH, HERE'S AN AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE SITE. 
          THIS IS A, UH, FORMER, WELL, NOT FORMER, IT IS AN OFFICE BUILDING, BUT CURRENTLY ON USED, UH, THIS IS THE ZONING. 
          SO THE SUBJECT SITE IS L OH ONE LIMITED OFFICE. 
          THERE'S A SMALL PARCEL OF MF TWO TO THE NORTHEAST OF THE SITE. 
          THERE'S R 7.58 TO THE NORTH AND THE WEST AND THE SOUTHWEST WITH SINGLE FAMILY. 
          TO THE SOUTH IS A PD WITH A MINI WAREHOUSE TO THE SOUTHEAST IS, OR SO SOUTHEAST IS AN OFFICE BUILDING ON L OH ONE. 
          AND THEN TO THE EAST IS THE, UH, AFOREMENTIONED PD THAT IS A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. 
          IT HAS RETIREMENT HOUSING ON THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THAT LOT, AND THEN THE SOUTHERN PORTION IS UNDEVELOPED. 
          IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED L OH ONE AND THE AREA OF REQUEST MENTIONED THAT. 
          AND SO THEY ARE REQUESTING A PD WITH L OH ONE USES FOR THE PRIVATE REC CENTER CLUB OR AREA. 
          HERE WE ARE ON EAST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY LOOKING EAST. 
          UH, SO THE SUBJECT SIDE TO THE LEFT HERE, THAT'S THE ENTRANCE RIGHT NOW OFF NORTHWEST HIGHWAY. 
          THEN LOOKING NORTHEAST TOWARDS THE, THAT PD IN THAT UNDEVELOPED AREA, AND THEN LOOKING SOUTHEAST AWAY FROM THE SITE, THEN LOOKING SOUTH HERE, YOU SEE THAT MINI WAREHOUSE IN THAT OFFICE ON THE LEFT LOOKING SOUTHWEST, LOOKING WEST. 
          NOW THE SUBJECT THAT'S FRONT VIEW, THERE'S THE OFFICE BUILDING ON THE RIGHT, LOOKING NORTHWEST OR RIGHT, LOOKING AT THE SITE, LOOKING NORTH, NORTHEAST, NORTHWEST, AND LOOKING NORTH, NORTHEAST, NORTHWEST, LOOKING AWAY FROM THE SITE AND THEN FINALLY GETTING TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SITE LOOKING NORTHEAST AND LOOKING NORTH AND NORTHWEST ABOUT HOW MANY PROS I TOOK HERE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THE PROPOSED PD CONDITIONS IS ALLOWING A PRIVATE REC CENTER, CLEVER AREA BY RIGHT, SO NO SEP REQUIRED, UH, PARKING WOULD BE SET AT ONE SPACE FOR 280 SQUARE FEET AND HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE POOL AND FOR LIGHTING AND SOUND OR EXTERNAL LIGHTING AND SOUND IS 10:00 AM TO 9:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY AND UNTIL MIDNIGHT ON HOLIDAYS. 
          UH, STAFFS ANALYSIS, WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS QUITE A BIT THROUGH, UH, UH, MR. UM, MR. SLEEPERS QUESTIONS. 
          UH, BUT WE DID FIND THAT GENERALLY THE PUBLIC REALM WAS NOT SUFFICIENTLY ENHANCED BY THE PD CONDITIONS. 
          UH, THE PARKING AND HOURS OF OPERATION CAN BE REGULATED IN THE SEP AND A PERMANENT SEP WOULD CONFER THE SAME LONGEVITY AS A PD. 
          UM, THAT BEING SAID, GIVEN OUR DISCUSSION, THERE'S ROOM THERE ABOUT THE, UH, ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING. 
          UH, BUT OVERALL STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE PACIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE RECREATION CENTER CLUB AREA SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN STAFF'S, RECOMME CONDITIONS IN LIEU OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR L ONE LIMITED OFFICE DISTRICT USES. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER CARVER. 
          MR. BATE, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THESE OUTDOOR AMENITY AREAS ARE YOU NOW? MY CONCERN HERE IN THE, UH, PD AND THE SEP CONDITIONS ARE THE, UH, ALLOWANCE OF OUTDOOR 
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AMPLIFIED MUSIC UNTIL EITHER, UM, 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT OR UNTIL MIDNIGHT ON CERTAIN NIGHTS. 
          GIVEN THAT THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD PROXIMITY TO THE, WHAT IS THE WEST AND THE NORTH, UM, WHAT'S THE, CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY THE DECISION WAS MADE TO ALLOW THAT AMPLIFIED OUTDOOR MUSIC AND, AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE CONDITIONS ABOUT FENCING OR ANY SORT OF SEPARATION THAT WOULD, WOULD HELP WITH THAT. 
          CERTAINLY, UH, IN TERMS OF THE AMENITIES, UH, THAT WOULD BE, THE APPLICANT COULD PROBABLY ELABORATE ON THAT MORE. 
          I DO KNOW THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE A SWIMMING POOL, UH, SOMEWHERE ON THERE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, THERE MAY BE, UH, GAME COURTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT, UH, THE APPLICANT CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE MORE COLOR ON THAT WITH THE HOURS OF OPERATION. 
          WE FIND THAT IN TERMS OF THE, THE HOURS, UH, WE'LL GENERALLY GIVE A BIT OF LEEWAY, WE'LL GIVE A BIT OF LEEWAY WITH THE APPLICANT WHERE, GIVEN THAT THEY'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHATNOT AND THAT THIS BEEN BROUGHT UP, UH, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT THOSE HOURS SEEM REASONABLE AND IF THE COMMISSION FINDS OTHERWISE, AND CERTAINLY A RECOMMENDATION CAN BE MADE TO HAVE, UH, CHANGE THE CONDITIONS AND SET THEM DIFFERENTLY. 
          UH, IN TERMS OF FENCING AND BUFFERING AND ALL OF THAT, UH, THAT WOULD BE JUST DICTATED BY, UH, OUR GENERAL, UH, LANDSCAPING AND, UH, OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT REQUIRE FENCING THAT REQUIRE BUFFERING. 
          UM, I COULD PULL UP SOME MORE SPECIFIC DETAILS ON THAT. 
          UH, BUT GENERALLY IT WOULD JUST BE DICTATED BY WHAT OUR CODE HAS FOR THE PROXIMITY OF, UH, COMMERCIAL NON-RESIDENTIAL USES TO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. 
          I SEE THAT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE GENERALLY WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT A USE IS POTENTIALLY, UM, INTRUSIVE, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH CLOSE PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL, WE GO A LITTLE FURTHER THAN THE STANDARD WITH, YOU KNOW, MASONRY WALLS AT A CERTAIN HEIGHTS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          THE HOURS DON'T CONCERN YOU AS MUCH, JUST PER SE, AS THE AMPLIFIED OUTDOOR SOUND HOURS BECAUSE 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, 12 MIDNIGHT, AND YOU HAVE DIFFERENT AMENITY AREAS AND POSSIBLY DIFFERENT MUSIC PLAYING ON ALL THOSE PLACES THAT, THAT JUST SEEMS, UH, UH, SO ANYWAY, OKAY, YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION, BUT, AND I WILL ADD AS WELL THAT THERE ARE SOME OF THE, HOW WELL IT'S ENFORCED IS ANOTHER QUESTION OUTSIDE OF OUR SCOPE, BUT THERE ARE CODE REQUIREMENTS REGARDING THE ACTUAL VOLUME, UM, AND ALSO TAKE, UH, WOULD TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER JUST THOSE HOURS. 
          SO EVEN IF THEY CAN OPERATE AMPLIFIED SOUND, IT STILL HAS TO FOLLOW CITY CODE ON HOW LOUD IT IS. 
          ADD ENFORCEMENTS A PROBLEM THERE. 
          BUT ANYWAY, BUT ONE MORE QUESTION, BUT MOVING OVER TO THE LANDSCAPING ON THE EAST, UH, SACRIFICING THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY LARGE CONCESSION, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT THERE IS PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST AND THE, THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER EXCEPTION WOULD BE FOR ETERNITY, REGARDLESS OF HOW, UM, THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST GOT REDEVELOPED. 
          UM, DO WE, WAS THERE ANY CALCULATION AS TO HOW MUCH PARKING WOULD BE LOST IF THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER WERE TO BE PROVIDED? UH, WE WERE NOT PROVIDED WITH A SPECIFIC. 
          OKAY. 
          I CAN ASK THE APPLICANT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, APPRECIATE IT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER? MR. CHAIR? YES SIR, PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL? YEAH. 
          UH, AND THIS MAY BE MR. BATE, THIS MAY BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR, UH, MR. BALDWIN, UH, THIS AFTERNOON, BUT IS THERE ONE POOL OR TWO POOLS? I DO NOT KNOW THE NUMBER OF POOLS, SO, OKAY. 
          BUT YOU, I JUST HEARD YOU ALSO MENTION POSSIBLE GANG COURT. 
          DO YOU KNOW THE NATURE, I MEAN, LIKE, ARE THEY TALKING PICKLEBALL OR, THAT I'M NOT SURE OF. 
          I, I WAS GOING OFF OF WHAT THE DEFINITION IN THE, UH, IN THE CODE HAS, IS WHAT'S, WHAT'S ALLOWED HERE. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, THE APPLICANT WOULD BE ABLE TO BETTER ELABORATE ON WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. 
          YEAH, I CAN SEE PICKLEBALL MIGHT BE PRETTY NOISY. 
          WELL, I'LL ASK MR. BALDWIN THIS AFTERNOON THEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ONE LAST QUESTION. 
          SORRY, COMMISSIONER, FOR I GET TO YOU. 
          UH, MR. BATE, UH, TO OVERSIMPLIFY THINGS, IT'S PROBABLY A QUESTION BEST FOR, FOR THE APPLICANT HERE, BUT I'LL ASK YOU, WHAT DID THEY, DID YOU EVER SEE A CONSIDERATION OF MAYBE FLIPPING THE, THE SITE PLAN THERE AND HAVING THE AMENITIES ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY INSTEAD OF THE WEST? UH, THAT WAS NOT SHOWN TO US NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          LOOKING FORSIGHT, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THE, THE CURRENT BUILDING STRUCTURE, THE OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S ON THIS PROPERTY'S GONNA BE TORN DOWN AND, AND A NEW, UH, REC CENTER GONNA BE BUILT, OR WILL IT BE REMODELED TO A REC CENTER? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE, THE OFFICE BUILDING WILL REMAIN AND IT WILL BE REMODELED. 
          UM, AS A BIT OF BACKGROUND, I, THE ORIGINAL REQUEST HERE WAS TO REDEVELOP THIS SITE WITH A HOUSING. 
          UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS GIVEN SOME, GIVEN SOME LEASING AND 
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OTHER THINGS FOR UTILITIES THAT HAVE SOME CELL TOWERS THAT ON TOP OF THAT BUILDING, UH, THAT LED THE APPLICANTS TO ABANDON THAT ORIGINAL, UH, PLAN AND THEN GO WITH THIS TO REPURPOSE THE BUILDING RATHER THAN DEMOLISHING IT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. 
          IT'S, UH, 9 56. 
          LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK. 
          UM, OKAY, SO THIS IS Z 2 3 4 2 4. 
          IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUBDISTRICT FOR AN ART CRAFT PRODUCTION FACILITY USE ON A PROPERTY ZONED A SUBDISTRICT THREE WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 3 1 7 C AREA SPECIAL HISTORY ON THE SOUTH CORNER OF GRIFFIN STREET IN SOUTH HER BAY, JUST UNDER AN ACRE, LOCATED NORTH PART OF CEDARS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, ACROSS THE HIGHWAY FROM DOWNTOWN. 
          AND THERE IT IS, UH, JUST CONSIST OF A COUPLE OLDER BUILDINGS ON SITE RIGHT NOW. 
          THERE'S PROPERTY UNDER DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET. 
          THERE IS, UM, AN OFFICE BUILDING OFFICE, SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE MANUFACTURING USE OF THE SOUTHEAST, UH, SOME OF THE SAME USE TO THE SOUTHWEST, AND THEN AN UNDEVELOPED SITE ACROSS, UH, GR, SOUTH GRIFFIN STREET EAST. 
          AND, UH, PDS ORIGINALLY FROM 1989, IT GENERALLY ALLOWS A MIX OF USES. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW THERE'S THREE STORY, 3,230 2000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING FROM 1921, 5,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING FROM 1980 AND A 1900 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING FROM 1935. 
          THEY'RE PROPOSING AN OUR PRODUCTION FACILITY, WHICH IS A USE UNIQUE TO, UNIQUE TO THIS PD. 
          UH, SO YOU MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH IT FROM ELSEWHERE IN THE CODE. 
          AND BASICALLY PD 317 FINDS IT AS A FACILITY FOR THE PRODUCTION OF HANDCRAFTED ARE OR CRAFT PRODUCTS ON A SMALL SCALE, UM, WITH A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF ACTIVITIES. 
          UM, IT DOES INCLUDE THESE PROVISIONS THAT LIMIT THE DELIVERY OF THIS PARTICULAR USE, UM, TO CERTAIN HOURS AND CERTAIN DELIVERY TIMES. 
          UM, THE NEW SUBDISTRICT WOULD MODIFY THAT AS IT PERTAINS TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY JUST A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND SO WHEN WE GET DOWN TO THE SITE LOOKING SOUTHEAST ON, UH, GRIFFIN STREET EAST, MOVING AROUND THE CORNER, THEN AROUND THE CORNER ON , LOOKING AT THE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET, THE, UH, NEWER, THE NEWER BUILDING, THE 1980 BUILDING, UM, AS EXISTS TODAY, KIND OF PARKING AREA TO THE SOUTH. 
          PART OF THAT, LOOKING AT SURROUNDING USES, THIS IS THE SEAFOOD PROCESSING FACILITY TO THE SOUTH, AND THIS IS LOOKING DOWN GRIFFIN STREET EAST TO THE, UH, UNDEVELOPED LOT TO THE NORTH. 
          THAT'S SUCH A NICE VIEW. 
          WOW. 
          UM, THAT'S JUST LOOKING NORTH AND LOOKING NORTHEAST TOWARDS, UH, THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. 
          LOOKING AT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT ON DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW LOOKING SOUTHEAST, WHERE IT'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS DOWN ARRAY AND LOOKING AT THE, UH, I'LL CALL IT BEVERAGE SITE TO THE SOUTH. 
          SO WE DON'T MODIFY ANY OF THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT CENTERS THAT THERE'S NO DEVELOP PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED AT THIS TIME. 
          UH, SO THEY WILL COME COMPLY WITH ALL OF THESE AND PRIMARILY OPERATE WITHIN THE EXISTING BUILDING. 
          UH, SENIOR'S AREA PLAN, UH, WAS APPROVED, UH, PRIOR TO THE LAST REWORK OF THIS PD. 
          UH, THEY PUT IT IN SUBDISTRICT TWO ACCORDING TO THIS MAP. 
          UM, IT'S RIGHT ON THE BORDER OF SUBDISTRICT TWO AND THREE IN THIS CASE, BUT, UM, IT IS A MIXED USE CORRIDOR. 
          UH,  BE  AND THE MEN, THE AMENDMENTS ARE PRETTY BRIEF, UM, SHOW SOME OF THEM. 
          IT, IT REDUCES THE HOURS REQUIREMENT AS OF THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL AND, UH, CHANGES THE PARKING. 
          I'M GONNA MOVE ON THROUGH THIS BECAUSE THE, THE NEW DRAFT, UH, FROM THE DOCKET CHANGES A LITTLE BIT OF THIS. 
          SO QUICK CHANGES FROM THE PREVIOUS DOCKET, UH, CHANGES WHICH OF THE BUILDINGS ON SITE OR DESIGNATED AS LEGACY. 
          SO THE TWO OLDEST BUILDINGS WILL, THE THIRD ONE FROM THE EIGHTIES, UH, WILL NOT BE A LEGACY STRUCTURE. 
          AND THEN WE SAY IN THE ART PRODUCTION FACILITY, INSTEAD OF JUST, UH, ELIMINATING FULLY THE HOURS REQUIREMENTS, IT SAYS THAT ALL PRODUCTION ARTS AND CRAFT IS PROHIBITED OUTSIDE 
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THE HOURS OF MIDNIGHT AT SEVEN. 
          UM, AND SPECIAL EVENTS, UH, SOME SPECIAL EVENTS ARE ALLOWED THERE. 
          UM, OTHER CHANGES, UH, THE PARKING, THE ELIMINATION OF, OF PARKING FOR USES ON THE SUBDISTRICT, UH, REMAINS, BUT IS MOVED TO BEING TIED INTO THE, INTO THE LEGACY BUILDING PARKING REDUCTIONS THAT ARE IN A LATER PART OF THE PD. 
          SO IT RELOCATES THAT, UM, PROVISION. 
          AND SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AND REVISED EXHIBIT 13 3 17 A. 
          THIS IS PROPERTY IONS AND CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED. 
          QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER HAM. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          AND THANK YOU MR. PEPE FOR, UM, WORKING WITH, UH, MYSELF AND THE APPLICANT ON THIS. 
          THE GENESIS FOR THE REQUEST, AND THEY OUTLINED IT GENERALLY IN YOUR PRESENTATION, IT'S TO ACCOMMODATE EXTENDED HOURS. 
          THIS IS THE CEDARS UNION THAT'S BEEN OPERATING IN THIS BUILDING. 
          THEY WANNA CONTINUE THAT USE THAT HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THEIR TIME PERIOD. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S ACCURATE. 
          AND OKAY. 
          IT WOULD BE NECESSARY BASED ON THE EXISTING DEFINITION OF THE USE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN IT AS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, UM, IT JUST CHANGED IT TO 24 HOURS. 
          THIS IS REALLY JUST TRYING TO REFINE IT A LITTLE BIT WITH THE NEW RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY COMING IN ACROSS THE, UM,  JUST TO REFLECT IT. 
          SO KINDA HAVE SOME ADJACENCIES THAT DIDN'T EXIST IN THE ORIGINAL CONSIDERATION, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND IS IT CORRECT THAT, UM, YOU, YOUR PHOTOS SHOWED THIS, THIS IS THE OLD BOECK OR ICE CREAM BUILDING, IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S ONE OF THE REMAINING BUILDINGS IN THE CEDARS HISTORIC BUILDINGS. 
          YEAH, I REALLY, I'M PARTIAL TO IT, UM, PERSONALLY, YEAH, IT'S, THANK YOU. 
          AND IT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO, UM, WHAT WERE THE OLD STABLES, UM, FOR THE AMBASSADOR HOTEL THAT'S NOW THAT SITE'S BEING REDEVELOPED, IT'S A DESIGNATED LEGACY BUILDING WITHIN THE PD, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, OH, AND JUST ONE COMMENT IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGES THAT YOU HAD IN YOUR BRIEFING, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU MAY HAVE DROPPED TO ZERO. 
          THE TOTAL BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE IS APPROXIMATELY 73,000 SQUARE FEET, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UH, LET ME SEE, WHERE WE'RE I, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE. 
          SO IN THE CONDITIONS WE PEG IT TO 73, WHICH IS, SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT ABOVE, BUT YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, JUDGE. 
          IT'S BASED ON DCA ESTIMATES, OKAY? MM-HMM. 
          IN CASE ANYBODY WAS DOING THE MATH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER RIGHT HERE. 
          UM, WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR HAVING TO CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF LEGACY BUILDING? I COULD UNDERSTAND IT ORIGINALLY BECAUSE THE PARKING REDUCTION WAS GOING TO BE TIED TO THE, UM, DEFINITION OF A LEGACY BUILDING, BUT NOW THAT, THAT'S BEEN STRUCK AND IT'S JUST, THERE'S NO PARKING REQUIRED FOR THE FIRST 73,000 SQUARE FEET OF ANY USES IN THIS SUBDISTRICT, WHAT AM I MISSING ABOUT THE NEED FOR, UH, REDEFINING WHAT A LEGACY BUILDING IS IN THREE A? YEAH, THE PREVIOUS ONE WOULD HAVE, AS YOU SAID, LOOPED IN THE NEWEST BUILDING. 
          'CAUSE IT, I BELIEVE IT WAS AFTER THAT DATE WAS AFTER THE, UM, IT INCLUDED THAT OTHER LEGACY STRUCTURE. 
          UH, THIS CHANGE WAS PROPOSED. 
          IT MAKES THE LEGACY BUILDING DATE OLDER, AND THAT ONLY WOULD INCLUDE THE TWO STRUCTURES. 
          IT WOULD LEAVE OUT THE 1980S STRUCTURE. 
          SO A WAY OF PUTTING IT DISINCENTIVIZES, KEEPING THAT NEWEST STRUCTURE, THE 1980S STRUCTURE, UM, WITH, SO IT, IT ALLOWS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY HOLD ONTO THE NEWER BUILDING, WHICH IS MORE INDUSTRIAL AND CHARACTER, A LITTLE LESS, UM, TRADITIONAL DEVELOPMENT STYLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BACK TO YOU COMMISSIONER HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I JUST, UM, I THINK COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S QUESTION MAY HAVE BEEN MORE ABOUT THE PLACEMENT OF THE PARKING STANDARD WHEN IT MOVED WITHIN THE PARKING SECTION, WHICH IS 1 22, SECTION 1 22 OF THE PD. 
          AND THEN WITHIN ITEM C IS THE PARKING REDUCTIONS ITEM ONE LEGACY BUILDING PARKING REDUCTIONS. 
          AND THAT IS NOW WHERE THIS PARKING PROVISION IS. 
          THAT'S THE, THE STRUCTURE OF THE OVERALL PD WITH ALL PARKING WITHIN SECTION 1 22. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS TRUE. 
          AND SO THE PARKING IS STILL TIED TO A LEGACY BUILDING. 
          IT'S TIED TO THE TWO, TWO LEGACY BUILDINGS AS THE DEFINED IN THAT LEGACY BUILDING SECTION, WHICH IS SLIGHTLY MODIFIED IN THIS VERSION NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, UH, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 16 Z 2 3 4 2 8 7. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DID YOU NEED THIS 
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ONE? BRIEFED? OKAY, GREAT. 
          AND BY THE WAY, LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT COMMISSIONER WHEELER, UM, JOINED US IN PERSON AT 10 15 THIS MORNING. 
          I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS ONE, IF I COULD ASK IT. 
          OH, WANT MR. CLINTON? NO, IT'S ONE QUESTION WITH MULTIPART  PHILOSOPHICAL. 
          YOU WANNA HEAR IT? AND THEN YOU CAN TELL ME ? NO, I, I I'LL ASK THE QUESTION AND THEN YOU CAN, HOW ABOUT THAT IF YOU DECIDE, OKAY. 
          UM, SEE MR. CLINTON? YES. 
          UM, YEAH, STAFF IS ADVOCATING FOR CS AS OPPOSED TO ALLY. 
          UM, THERE ARE SOME USE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE GENERAL, UM, WAREHOUSE NATURE OF THE IMMEDIATE AREA AND THE, THE HEIGHT THAT'S, UM, ALLOWED. 
          BUT MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH SOME OF THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN CS, UM, BY RIGHT, THAT COULD CONSIDERABLY CHANGE THE CARE OF THE AREA SUCH AS A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT OUTSIDE OR, UM, CONTRACTORS, MAINTENANCE YARDS, PAWN SHOPS, LIQUOR STORES. 
          WAS THERE ANY, UH, CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO WHAT THE IMPACT OF SOME OF THOSE USES BY WRIGHT COULD BE TO THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA? UH, YES, CONSIDERATION WAS GIVEN. 
          HOWEVER, BASED ON WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS TOLD ME, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS ON DOING ANY OF THAT. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT WANTS TO DO A WAREHOUSE STAFF WAS RECOMMENDING CS VERSUS, OR IN LIEU OF THE LI JUST BECAUSE IT'S LESS INTENSIVE. 
          UM, IT ALSO KEEPS THEM AT A CERTAIN HEIGHT. 
          UM, IF THEY WENT WITH LI THEY COULD BUILD UP TO, UH, I THINK IT'S 90 FEET MAX HEIGHT, WHEREAS EVERYTHING IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, I THINK IS ABOUT 30 FEET. 
          SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING CS TO KEEP THEM WITHIN THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO DO ANY DE RESTRICTIONS. 
          SO IT'S A TREE ZONING. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE APPLICANT'S INTENTION. 
          IT'S ALWAYS MY CONCERN WITH STRAIGHT ZONING THAT, YOU KNOW, OWNERS CHANGE, APPLICANTS CHANGE AND HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ENABLING BY RIDE. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WAS NOT YOUR QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN WE CAN, UH, UH, CAN YOU DO ME A FAVOR, PLEASE? AND IN YOUR, YOUR PRESENTATION, CAN YOU PLEASE, UH, SHOW THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONERS THAT THE SITE AND WHAT THAT SITE LOOKS LIKE TO BETTER APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          DO WE WANNA GO AHEAD. 
          SO ARE WE BRIEFING IT, OR NO, WE'RE NOT BRIEFING IT. 
          WE'RE JUST GONNA SHOW THAT JUST TO APPRECIATE THE, THE, THE SITE. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU, IF YOU APPRECIATE WHAT'S THERE ALREADY, YOU WILL ALSO APPRECIATE WHAT THE D WHAT THE, IF YOU JUST WANNA PULL THAT UP. 
          WELL JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST BRIEFLY. 
          LET'S, LET'S BRIEF IT. 
          JUST BRIEF IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, MR. CLINTON, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          A BRIEF BRIEFING. 
          THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 16, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 2 87. 
          IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN LI LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT WITH CONSIDERATION OF A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE IN AA AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT WITH, UH, EXISTING SUP NUMBER 8 9 0 FOR RADIO, TELEVISION OR MICROWAVE TOWER ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY BETWEEN YOUNGBLOOD ROAD AND LYNDON B JOHNSON FREEWAY. 
          PURPOSE OF THEIR REQUEST IS TO RE REZONE THE PROPERTY TO ALLOW WAREHOUSE USE. 
          UM, APPROXIMATELY SEVEN ACRES IN TOTAL SIZE. 
          UH, QUICK BACKGROUND. 
          SO AGAIN, IT'S, UH, CURRENTLY ZONED, UH, AGRICULTURAL AND IT'S DEVELOPED WITH AN EXISTING BUILDING AND DRIVEWAY. 
          THIS LOT HAS FRONTAGE ON SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY. 
          UM, AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE TO LI FOR WAREHOUSE USE, UH, WHERE TRUCKS WILL, UH, UNLOAD GOODS FOR DELIVERY. 
          UM, THERE HAVE BEEN NO, UH, ZERO ZONING CASES IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. 
          UH, THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP. 
          THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP, I BELIEVE THIS IS WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER WANTED TO BE SHOWN, BUT ALSO WE CAN GO, GO INTO THE, UH, SITE VISIT PHOTOS, WHICH WILL SHOW MORE OF THIS IN BETTER DETAIL. 
          UM, EXISTING ZONING MAP SHOWING THE SURROUNDING USES. 
          UM, THE SITE IS AGRICULTURAL, SO THE NORTH IS AGRICULTURAL, UM, AS WELL AS IM WITH SUP 
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NUMBER 2, 2, 7, 3, AND WAREHOUSE USES TO THE SOUTH AND EAST AS, UH, THE CITY OF HUTCHINS. 
          BUT THE USES LOOK TO BE, UM, INDUSTRIAL AS WELL AND SOME UNDEVELOPED LAND. 
          AND THEN TO THE WEST IS SINGLE FAMILY AS WELL AS UNDEVELOPED. 
          SO HERE ARE SITE VISIT PHOTOS. 
          THIS IS THE, UH, LOOKING WEST TO THE SITE. 
          UH, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S THAT SMALL BUILDING IN THE DRIVEWAY. 
          THIS IS LOOKING SOUTHWEST. 
          SO, UH, MOST OF THE TREES, THIS IS LOOKING UP. 
          UM, I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, SOUTH CENTRAL. 
          THIS IS LOOKING NORTH, THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH, AND THIS IS LOOKING EAST TOWARD THE, UM, THE, UH, UH, ADJACENT USES, UH, BRIEF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS CHART. 
          SO IN LI UM, MY APOLOGIES, I MISSPOKE. 
          I SAID 90 FEET, THEY COULD DO 70 FEET, FIVE STORIES FOR MAX HEIGHT. 
          UM, BUT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING CS WHERE THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO 45 FEET, DO STORIES. 
          UM, THE, UH, THE FRONT YARD SETBACK WILL BE 15 FEET, SO SAME AS LI THE SIDE AND REAR YARDS WOULD BE, UM, 20 FEET OF RES, UH, ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL AND, UH, ZERO ADJACENT TO ANY OTHER, UH, USES. 
          SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY, UH, AGAIN, MORE RESTRICTED IF THEY WENT WITH THE CS, WHICH IS WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING AND BRIEF ANALYSIS. 
          SO THE REQUEST DOES FIT WITHIN THE EXISTING USES, UM, OF THE SURROUNDING AREA AND THE IMMEDIATE AREA, AS WELL AS COMPLIES WITH GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, INCLUDING THE TRI TRINITY RIVER CORRIDOR COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE STUDY. 
          AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT IN LIEU OF A LI LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR BRIEF BRIEFING. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR. 
          SO IS THIS NOT RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF, UM, OUR MAJOR INDUSTRIAL AREA ON SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY LEADING TO OUR, UM, CITY, UM, FACILITY? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO, AND RIGHT ACROSS THE PRE RIGHT ACROSS SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY. 
          WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENTS THERE? UM, BASED ON THE SITE VISIT, IT LOOKS TO BE, UM, OTHER INDUSTRIAL USES WAREHOUSES. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THERE WERE SOME, LET ME GO BACK TO THE IMAGES. 
          UM, LOOKS LIKE A AUTO STORE OR AUTO, AUTO PARTS, UM, UH, UH, RE COMMERCIAL RETAIL. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE EXISTING USES. 
          YOUR MIC IS OFF. 
          . 
          OH, YOU BEING QUITE TIME, ISN'T THAT BASICALLY AN AUTO DUMP? , YOUR WORRIES NOT MINE. 
          . 
          SO, OKAY. 
          I THINK I MADE THE, I, I THINK I MADE MY, MADE THE POINT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. CARPENTER. 
          HAS THERE BEEN AN ISSUE IN DISTRICT EIGHT WITH, UM, COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT OUTSIDES ON LARGE TRACKS OF LAND THAT CAUSED NUISANCES FOR SOME DISTANCE? UM, NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. 
          WHEN YOU GET MORE ON THE EASTERN SIDE WHERE THERE IS, UM, DEFINITE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY, UM, RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY, THERE HAS BEEN THAT CONSIDERATION. 
          UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, THAT CONSIDERATION DOES NOT EXIST. 
          BUT WHAT I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO IS TALK TO THE APPLICANT, UH, WHEN, WHEN, UM, BEFORE THE HEARING TO SEE IF HE'S WILLING TO, UM, CONCEDE SOME, UH, UM, TO EMIT, TO EMIT SOME OF THOSE USES THAT ARE, ARE OF CONCERN. 
          I PERSONALLY DON'T BELIEVE WE WOULD EVER SEE THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT HERE, UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR CORRIDOR EVER. 
          UM, IT IS A, A CORRIDOR THAT IS GENERALLY UNBUILDABLE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO THE CITY FACILITY. 
          UM, BUT IT'S IN, IN ITS INTENSIVE, UM, INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE UP, UH, GOING UP AND DOWN THIS PARTICULAR CORRIDOR. 
          THE FURTHER NORTH YOU GO, THE MORE IN INTENSE SOME OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS ARE. 
          IN FACT, WE HAVE SEEN THOSE IN A RECENT, UM, AUTHORIZED 
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HEARING IN WHICH THOSE WERE LI UM, ZONED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, IF THEY, IF THIS, THAT KNOW IF IT'S NOT AN ISSUE OR EVEN IF IT, IF IT, IF THOSE TYPE, IF THAT WAS WHAT THE APPLICANT WOULD WANT AT A FUTURE DATE, WHY WOULD WE ASK THEM TO RESTRICT IT? UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW THE AREA THAT YOU KIND OF HAVE HAD THIS PROBLEM WITH IS LIKE MORE, UM, AT ST. 
          AUGUSTINE, THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL OR THE RESIDENTIAL, THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS FURTHER OR WAY BEHIND. 
          IF IT WAS, SOMETIMES THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE THE IDEAL AREA OF THAT DISTRICT, OF THAT PORTION OF YOUR DISTRICT IN THAT AREA. 
          YOU, YOU PROBABLY ARE CORRECT BECAUSE IT'S ISOLATED MM-HMM . 
          AND THERE IS NOTHING THAT HAPPENS AT NIGHT AND THERE IS NO, NO. 
          HEY, FRIENDS, UM, THIS IS A TIME FOR QUESTIONS OF STAFF. 
          YEAH. 
          WE CAN SAVE THE DISCUSSION TILL THIS AFTERNOON. 
          THANKS. 
          I I, WELL WE CAN DO THIS OFFLINE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. CLINTON? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. CLINTON. 
          UM, SEEING NONE, WE'RE ON. 
          UM, NO MORE QUESTIONS. 
          UH, CASE 17, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU WANT THIS ONE BRIEFED, AND I THINK WE MAY HAVE BRIEFED IT LAST TIME, IS THAT THE BRIEFING? SO WE WERE NOT OPPOSED WHAT WE WERE, UM, OPPOSED OF THE FIVE YEARS. 
          AND SO IT, WE WANTED, UM, A LONGER SUP BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 30, 40 YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          PREVIOUS. 
          SO THAT WAS THE ISSUE. 
          THE ISSUE WAS NOT THE DENIAL, IT WAS, THERE WAS NOT THE APPLICANT. 
          SHE SAID SHE WAS IN THE ROOM, BUT SHE DIDN'T KNOW TO SPEAK. 
          UM, AND WE NEEDED THE APPLICANT IN THE ROOM TO OKAY. 
          TO OKAY. 
          WHETHER SHE COMMISSIONER WHEELER. 
          ALL I'M ASKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS JUST THE, THE BRIEF WEAPON. 
          AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED BRIEF, BUT THAT WAS WHAT THE REASON OKAY. 
          THAT WAS THE REASON FOR IT TO HOLD. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THEN 20 YEARS INSTEAD OF FIVE THEN. 
          UM, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT EXPLANATION. 
          UM, SO WE'LL MOVE ON FROM 17 TO, UM, OUR INDIVIDUAL DOCKET 18. 
          UM, IT'S . 
          YEAH. 
          UM, THIS ONE IS GOING TO BE HELD, SO, UM, I DON'T THINK WE NEED A, UH, YEAH, AND I THINK MAYBE THE CITY ATTORNEY COULD BRIEFLY SPEAK TO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT OUR WHAT THE SITUATION IS HERE. 
          CAN MAYBE MS. MORRISON CAN SPEAK TO WHERE WE ARE WITH RESPECT TO LEGAL PROCEEDINGS RELATING TO THIS CASE. 
          GOOD MORNING COMMISSION. 
          LAURA MORRISON, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE GO BACK IN NOVEMBER. 
          UM, A TEMPORARY INJUNCTION HEARING, UH, WAS HAD ON THIS CASE AND THE JUDGE ISSUED AN ORDER, UM, THAT REQUIRES THIS CASE TO BE REMANDED TO THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          AND, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL REMANDED IT, UM, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. 
          SO THAT'S WHY IT'S BACK IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY. 
          UM, AND THE COURT ORDER CONTINUES ON TO SAY THAT, UM, TODAY YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO EITHER DENY THE CASE BASED ON, UM, THE APPLICANT NOT FULFILLING THE OBLIGATIONS TO POST THE NOTIFICATION SIGNS, OR YOU CAN HOLD THE CASE FOR AT LEAST FOUR WEEKS, UM, TO GIVE THEM MORE OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE POSTING OF NOTIFICATION SIGNS SO YOU CAN HOLD THE CASE UNTIL JANUARY. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE PLAN IS TODAY. 
          UM, AND THEN IN JANUARY, UH, WHEN YOU HEAR THE CASE AGAIN, YOU'LL MAKE A DETERMINATION ON WHETHER OR NOT THE APPLICANT HAS FULFILLED THE OBLIGATION FOR THE, UH, FOR POSTING OF NOTIFICATION SIGNS. 
          AND THEN IF SO, YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD, UM, ON THE MERITS OF THE CASE AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS QUESTION. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE. 
          SO WE COULD MAKE THE MOTION TO HOLD IT FOR THE COURT? 
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YEAH. 
          ESSENTIALLY TODAY IT WE'RE, UH, WE'RE DECIDING TO SIGN ISSUE TECHNICALLY, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S ON A DOCKET. 
          WHY COULDN'T IT JUST PUT, BEEN PUT ON THE JANUARY DOCKET? BECAUSE THE COURT ORDER SAYS TO DENY IT OR HOLD IT FOUR WEEKS. 
          SO TODAY IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER DENY IT OR HOLD IT FOR FOUR WEEKS. 
          OTHERWISE, IF WE JUST PUT IT ON IN JANUARY, YOU'D STILL HAVE TO FULFILL THE OBLIGATION TO DENY IT OR HOLD IT FOR FOUR WEEKS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, AND COMMISSIONERS, JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE WAS A LITTLE QUESTION WHEN, WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING OUR CALENDAR FOR 2025, WE, WE DECIDED TO HAVE A SPECIALLY CALLED MEETING IN JANUARY 16TH. 
          AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT HAVING THAT DISCUSSION IN FACT CREATED THAT THAT DATE, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT ON OUR OFFICIAL CALENDAR, BUT JUST, JUST FYI, THAT THAT IS THE, THE OFFICIALLY SPECIALLY CALLED HEARING WAS ON JANUARY 16TH. 
          I KNOW SOME OF US GOT THAT RIGHT AWAY AND SOME OF US DID NOT. 
          AND I SEE SOME CONFUSION HERE, COMMISSIONER. 
          SO IT WAS THE SPECIALLY CALLED MEETING CALLED FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE, OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE IT DOES NOT JUST, IT WAS JUST A BLANKET. 
          UM, IT TURNED OUT TO BE KIND OF A WISE CHOICE NOW LOOKING AT, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHEN THIS CASE WILL BE HELD IF IT GETS HELD TO THE 16TH? YES. 
          BUT DIDN'T WE SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT HAVING THAT CASE, I MEAN, THAT DATE BE FOR CODE AMENDMENTS JANUARY 16TH? IT COULD, YES, IT COULD. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE MAYBE SOME DISCUSSION ON PARKING AND SOME OTHER GOODIES PROBABLY THAT WILL GET FUNDED FROM TODAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I SURE HAVE THAT. 
          WELL, AND I, THIS IS NOT GERMANE TO THE ITEM THAT WE ARE BRIEFING, BUT, UM, IT MAY BE HELPFUL, UM, AT SOME POINT TODAY IF WE COULD SPEAK TO WHAT WE ANTICIPATE. 
          'CAUSE I, SIMILAR TO COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, I THOUGHT THE, UM, GENESIS OF THAT, UM, DISCUSSION WAS, UM, CODE AMENDMENTS SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT WOULD, UM, ADDRESS THE CONCERN ABOUT STAFF HAVING TO HAVE NOTICES OF OTHER THINGS SENT OUT OVER THE HOLIDAY BREAK. 
          SO THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          OF COURSE. 
          MR. ER, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          CASE NUMBER 19 I QUESTIONS ON THIS COMMISSIONER TO REQUEST TO BRIEF IT. 
          NUMBER 19. 
          OKAY, LET'S GO TO 20. 
          YOU NEED TO HAVE THIS ONE BRIEF COMMISSIONERS AND YOU REQUEST FOR BRIEFING OR QUESTIONS ON NUMBER 20. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S HAVE A BRIEF. 
          HELLO AGAIN. 
          THIS CASE IS Z 2 2 3 3 4 7, AND IT IS LOCATED IN NORTHEAST DALLAS, NORTH OGUIRE ROCK LAKE. 
          AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR SPECIFIC SPECIFIED NON-RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL USES OF PROPERTY ZONED AND R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF NORTHEAST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY AND OUR BOREAL DRIVE, IT'S JUST UNDER AN ACRE IN SIZE. 
          PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW A REMOTE SURFACE PARKING FACILITY FOR A CHURCH. 
          THERE'S A SITE AS IT EXISTS TODAY, NORTHEAST OF THE SITE. 
          THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY EAST OF THE SITE. 
          THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY SOUTH THE SITE, THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY, UH, LARGE LOT AND DETACHED. 
          AND THERE'S A CHURCH ACROSS OUR AR BOREAL. 
          IT'S CURRENTLY R SEVEN FIVE A. 
          IT'S UNDEVELOPED AT THIS TIME. 
          UH, THEY PROPOSE A PROPOSING REMOTE PARKING. 
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UH, STAFF DOES NOT FIND JUSTIFICATION FOR PD OR THE USE ABOUT PARKING STUDY. 
          IT'S DETAILED IN THE REPORT. 
          HERE'S THE SITE FROM AR BOREAL LOOKING SOUTHEAST ALONG THE SITE, LOOKING SOUTH NORTH FROM THE TRAIL. 
          DOES THAT EXIST TODAY? BACK THROUGH THE TRAIL INTO THE ALLEY. 
          UM, LOOKING RIGHT UP, ARBORIO THERE, LOOKING ACROSS THE STREET AT THE CHURCH AS IT EXISTS TODAY ACROSS THE STREET. 
          LOOKING DOWN, UM, ARBOREAL, UH, EXCUSE ME, LOOKING, I'M STANDING ON ARBORIO. 
          I'M LOOKING DOWN THE TRAIL TOWARDS WHERE ROCK STATION, LOOKING UP THE ALLEY, LOOKING DOWN THE TRAIL TOWARDS OX STATION AND ACROSS NORTHWEST HIGHWAY. 
          HERE'S THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS IT'S PROPOSED. 
          PRIMARILY FIX THE, UH, SERVICE PARKING FACILITY, UH, ACCESS FROM ARB, BORIO DRIVE. 
          HERE'S THE DATA TABLE. 
          I INCLUDED THAT SINCE IT HAS THE, UH, PROPOSED PARKING AREAS, SERVICE PARKING AREAS AND, AND TOTALS. 
          PREVIOUS COVER TOTALS AS WELL. 
          ONLY USES THAT WE'VE PERMITTED IN THIS PROPOSED PD WOULD BE CHURCH SERVICE, PARKING FOR A CHURCH AND SINGLE FAMILY, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS PROPOSED STAY GENERALLY THE SAME AS R SEVEN FIVE. 
          UM, THEY AMENDED THE REAR, UH, SETBACK JUST A LITTLE BIT, I THINK TO INCLUDE PARKING IN THAT AREA GENERALLY REMAINS PRETTY SIMILAR. 
          UH, THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT. 
          WE DID RECOMMEND SOME DESIGN STANDARDS THAT THEY DID AGREE TO INCLUDE. 
          THOSE INCLUDE SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS. 
          UM, THE TYPICAL SAY CROSSING LANGUAGE AS WELL AS PROTECTION LANGUAGE FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY WHERE IF IN CA IN THE EVENT THAT SURFACE PARKING ABOVE SIDEWALKS, THERE'S ALSO A MAXIMUM DRIVEWAY WITH, UM, AND WITH MAXIMUM ON THAT. 
          UM, ONE FRONTAGE, I'LL STICK WITH ARTICLE 10 FOR THE LANDSCAPING AND TROOPER RESERVATION. 
          UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DID YOU SAY THAT THE USE INTENDED ON THIS WAS FOR PARKING? RESURFACE PARKING? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND THAT, IS THIS FOR THE CHURCH THAT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO, UM, IS THE PD IS REQUIRED? IS THE REQUEST FOR A PD? WELL, IS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A ZONING CLASSIFICATION FOR SURFACE PARKING. 
          BASED ON WHAT? BASED ON HOW IT WORKS. 
          THEY COULD DO A P PARKING DISTRICT. 
          UH, THERE'D BE UPSIDES AND DOWNSIDES TO THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF WOULD BE MORE, I I I'LL SAY THIS STAFF MEMBER WOULD NOT BE MORE IN SUPPORT OF A PARKING DISTRICT, UH, VERSUS A PD IN THAT CASE KIND OF NEUTRAL OR EXCUSE ME, KIND OF DENIAL, UH, BASED ON THE FACTS THAT I HAVE. 
          UH, EITHER WAY. 
          UH, BUT A PARKING DISTRICT MAY BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE IT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS OF THE PROPOSED, UH, ANY PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE FACILITY. 
          UM, THEY HAVEN'T DETAILED THAT THEY SURE CAN. 
          UM, BUT THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. 
          UH, BUT THE PD DOES, IS ABLE TO INCLUDE THOSE CONDITIONS, UH, REGARDING THE RIGHT OF WAY TREATMENT. 
          SO YOU'RE, I I'M, I'M, AM I HEARING THE RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL IS NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE OF THE USE, BUT THE, BUT HOW THE CASE CAME IN AND THE CLASSIFICATION THAT'S BEING USED FOR THIS USE. 
          IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY MULTIFOLD, UH, AS THE CASE REPORT DETAILS, IT'S PARTIALLY ABOUT, WE WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE AN INDIVIDUAL BESPOKE, UH, PD OR A SERVICE PARKING AREA. 
          UH, WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL CONCENTRATION OF, UH, HERBIE'S COVER HARD SERVICE COVER DUE TO THE, UH, I HE ON EFFECT NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          AND THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE PRIMARY THINGS AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH PARKING IS ACTUALLY NECESSARY FOR THE FACILITY WITHOUT A STUDY, SO, OKAY. 
          SO, AND I UNDERSTAND WITHOUT A STUDY, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH PARKING IS NECESSARY. 
          SO I GUESS THEN, UM, AND THE QUESTION WOULD BE BETTER ASKED OF THE APPLICANT, BUT I'M GONNA, I NEED TO ASK YOU FIRST, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT HAPPENS TODAY WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY, OR WHENEVER THEY HAVE SERVICES? ARE THEY THE, ARE THE, THE CONGREGATION PARKING AND IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SURFACE PARKING AT THE CHURCH? I, I WOULD SAY THIS IS, THIS IS GONNA BE ANECDOTAL 
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GOING BY ON THE BUS. 
          I'VE SEEN PEOPLE PARK THERE ON SUNDAY. 
          I I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE PARK THERE ON A SUNDAY PERSONALLY. 
          UH, IT'S NOT PART OF TYPICAL STAFF REVIEW, BUT I HAVE SEEN IT. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU HAVE SEEN PEOPLE ON THE STREET PARKING OR ON THE GRASS LOT. 
          ON THE GRASS LOT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          CHAIR RUBIN. 
          YEAH, I JUST WANNA, WITH THAT PARKING DISTRICT, AN APPLICANT HAS TO ACTUALLY SUBMIT A SITE PLAN, RIGHT? THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE SCREENING, LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING, ET CETERA. 
          SO WE'RE NOT, IN SOME WAYS IT IS A STRAIGHT ZONING DISTRICT, BUT THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL CONTROLS THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I LIKE TO COMPARE A PARKING DISTRICT KIND OF TO A, IT'S KIND OF TO AN SUP. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL APPROVAL OF SOMETHING THAT IS BOUND TO A SITE PLAN. 
          ONE THING IS YOU CAN'T PUT CONDITIONS ON IT, BUT IT IS KI YES, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A STRAIGHT ZONING CHANGE THAT HAS A, A SITE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THE MAIN, UH, THE MAIN, UH, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? DOWNSIDE, I WOULD SAY OF A PARKING DISTRICT. 
          SAT TIES IT INTO ONE USE FOR ALL OF TIME UNTIL SOMEONE COMES BACK AND REZONES IT. 
          THERE'S ONE PERMITTED USE IN THAT DISTRICT AND, UH, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO SEE DISTRICTS THAT ARE MORE FLEXIBLE THAN A SINGLE USE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. 
          SURE. 
          MAYBE I'M CONFUSED ON PART OF THE DENIAL IS THAT, UH, UNTIL A PARKING STUDY IS DONE, WHY IS A PARK, WHY HASN'T A PARKING STUDY BEEN DONE? WE'VE REQUESTED IT. 
          THE APPLICANTS CAN SPEAK TO WHY THEY MAY HAVE NOT WANTED TO PROVIDE IT. 
          UM, AND SO EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT WASN'T IN THE CASE REPORT, UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR CASE WAS IF, IF ARE THEY IS A SPILLOVER ON SUNDAYS ACTUALLY SPILLING OVER IN, SHOULD BE STREET IN FRONT OF THE HALLS THAT, THAT ARE IN PROXIMITY TO LEADS, UH, TO THE CHURCH. 
          I DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH DETAILED KNOWLEDGE. 
          THE APPLICANT ABLE TO SPEAK TO IT. 
          UM, BASED OFF OF WHAT YOU HAVE SAW, UM, THAT IS NOT IN THE CASE REPORT. 
          IT WAS THERE, PARKING ON THIS PARTICULAR LOT ON SUNDAY IS THE PARKING LOT THAT'S, UM, ATTACHED TO THE CHURCH, ATTACHED TO THE CHURCH FIELD FIELD. 
          WHAT WAS THAT LAST WORD? OH, FIELDS. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I, YOU KNOW, THE, I'M NOT GOING TO, SO PARKING STUDY IS A GOOD TOOL FOR EVALUATING PARKING DEMAND, ESPECIALLY ON SUNDAYS. 
          I HAVEN'T GONE AND OBSERVED IT ON SUNDAYS. 
          PERSONALLY. 
          I STATED ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE THAT I HAD SEEMED THOUGHT WOULD BE HELPFUL, BUT I NOTHING IN DEPTH. 
          UM, AND, AND SO YOU DID TALK BACK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT THE, UM, THAT IT WAS A STRONG RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE A PARKING STUDY DONE. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          AND, ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, ONE OF THE REASONS YOU GAVE FOR, UM, DENIAL WAS THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. 
          DID YOU HAVE ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT MAYBE DOING SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, UM, LESS, UM, ENVIRONMENTALLY IMPACTFUL? NO. 
          IT WAS PART OF OUR EN LIST OF CONCERNS IN, IN OUR COMMENTARY THAT WE PROVIDED, UH, THE CONCENTRATION OF IT'S PROVIDED BY MYSELF AND, AND OUR LONG RANGE AS PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION. 
          UH, THEY MAY CERTAINLY PURSUE THAT. 
          IT COULD BE ADDED IN A POTENTIAL, UH, DISTRICT APPROVAL DEPENDING UPON THE TYPE OF DISTRICT THAT'S APPROVED. 
          UH, BUT WE DIDN'T RECOMMEND THAT SPECIFICALLY. 
          AND I ALSO NOTE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE INGRESS EGRESS CURB, RADI EYES DO NOT COMPLY WITH THE STREET DESIGN MANUAL. 
          DID YOU HAVE ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT THAT, PARTICULARLY GIVEN ITS POST PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL? NO. 
          NO, NOT AT THIS TIME. 
          THEY STILL HAVE TO MEET ALL OF THOSE WITH, THEY'RE ALL, ALL DEVELOPMENT PLANS STILL ULTIMATELY HAVE TO, UH, COMPLY WITH, UH, STREET DESIGN MANUAL AND OTHER THINGS. 
          UM, AND THEY DO HAVE TO GO THROUGH ENGINEERING APPROVALS, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLANS DO NOT EXEMPT THEM FROM ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          WOULD IT SURPRISE YOU THAT THOSE TYPE OF DETAILS GET BY STAFF ON A PRETTY REGULAR BASIS AND GET BUILT ALL AROUND THE CITY, UM, ON PROJECTS THAT BOTH THE CITY BUILDS AND DEVELOPERS BUILD? I WON'T SPEAK TO THAT SINCE THIS PROJECT ISN'T BUILT AT ITS TIME. 
          THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          IT WAS MOSTLY RHETORICAL, MR. SLEEPER, DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW, UH, FROM A HISTORY STANDPOINT, UM, WAS THIS HOUSE, UH, PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED AS SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY. 
          I WOULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF DIGGING, BUT IT'S BEEN ZONED SINGLE FAMILY SINCE, UH, LONG TIME BACK. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S RIGHT UP ON THE HIGHWAY, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE, WE'VE GOT THE HOUSE, OR EXCUSE ME, WE'VE GOT THE HOUSE, THEN 
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WE HAVE THIS LOT, THEN WE HAVE THE, UH, LIGHT POLE HILL TRAIL, WHICH IS KIND OF SERVES AS AN ALLEY AS WELL. 
          AND THEN THE, UH, THEN NORTHWEST HIGHWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, I I, I KNOW YOU SAID EARLIER THAT YOU DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A, A DEFINITE ANSWER THIS, BUT, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE CHURCH MUST FEEL LIKE THEY NEED THE PARKING OR THEY WOULDN'T BE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          UM, AND YOU'VE SEEN PARKING SORT OF SPILLING ON NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS THERE, RIGHT? LEMME SEE. 
          UH, SO I THINK THAT A GOOD WAY TO JUSTIFY THAT IS WITH, UM, FORMAL STUDY, UH, AND PROVE THAT TO COMMISSION ANY DECISION MAKERS. 
          UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF I OBSERVED PARKING ON THE STREET. 
          I OBSERVED PARKING ON THE LOT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S SOME EVIDENCE OF PARKING DEMAND THERE, WHETHER THEY'RE PARKING ON THE VACANT LOT NOW, OR PARKING ON THE STREET. 
          IT, IT APPEARS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING FOR THE CHURCH AT THIS TIME. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? I, AND WELL, SO WHEN I, WHEN I HAVE SEEN IT ON, I PROBABLY SHOULD, SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID WHAT I SAID, HAVING OBSERVED IT CASUALLY RATHER THAN THAT AS A MEMBER OF, OF STAFF, STAFF DOING INSPECTIONS. 
          WE DON'T ACTUALLY DO INSPECTIONS ON SUNDAY. 
          UM, I DO MOVE AROUND THE CITY SOMETIMES ON, ON SUNDAY THOUGH, BUT, BUT I, I DIDN'T OBSERVE WHEN PARKING WAS OCCURRING ON THE LOT, IF IT OCCURRED ON THE, UH, IF, IF IT WAS FULL ON THE, UH, MAIN CHURCH PROPERTY OR NOT. 
          BUT, UH, WE LIKE TO SEE IT IN STUDY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CARPENTER. 
          MR. PEPE, UH, WHAT, WHAT THE MAIN REASON, OR ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS FOR STAFF'S DENIAL RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN A PARKING STUDY. 
          NOW, IF THERE WERE TO BE A PARKING STUDY THAT THE CHURCH COULD DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY NEEDED THE PARKING, WHAT WOULD BE THE PATH FORWARD? BECAUSE I'M, I'M HEARING THAT STAFF DOESN'T REALLY WANT TO SEE THE PAVEMENT NEXT TO THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THEY DON'T WANT A SINGLE DISTRICT ZONING DISTRICT, SUCH AS A PARKING DISTRICT. 
          SO WOULD THE SOLUTION AT THAT POINT BE A PD OR IS THERE A PATH FORWARD FOR THIS? WITHOUT THAT DATA, I WOULD, I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY KNOW, BUT I THINK THAT IT WOULD LEND CREDENCE TO SOME KIND OF REMEDY OF, OF ADDING PARKING DIS PA PARKING, UM, THROUGH SOME KIND OF REZONING. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD BE. 
          BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF US. 
          WE DON'T KNOW THE DEMAND OR JUSTIFICATION. 
          UH, WE DON'T HAVE IT FORMALIZED. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT LED US TO THIS RECOMMENDATION. 
          I THINK DEPENDENT ON THE DATA, IF IT SAID, OH, THIS PROPOSED FACILITY WOULD REQUIRE, BECAUSE GEN, WELL, GENERALLY, I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE, UH, A PARKING REQUIREMENT GET IN THE WAY OF A USES BENEFICIAL TO COMMUNITY. 
          IF THEY SHOW THAT THEY HAVE A REQUIREMENT, UH, THAT IS NOT BEING MET, OR IF THEIR PROPOSED FACILITIES SYSTEMIC CHANGES, UH, THOSE PROPOSED FACILITIES ARE NOT ACCOMMODATING, ARE NOT ACCOMMODATED UNDER PARTNER REQUIREMENTS. 
          IF THOSE ARE GETTING IN THE WAY, UH, THEY COULD LOOK AT REDUCING THEIR REQUIREMENT THROUGH PD. 
          BUT POTENTIALLY THEN IT WOULD BE MORE, IT'S POSSIBLE IT WOULD BE MORE MERITED IF WE KNEW THE DEMAND. 
          THE REQUIREMENT WAS THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY THAT THERE DID SEEM TO BE A ZONING REMEDY ACCORDING TO THE STAFF. 
          IF, UH, IF THE NEED WERE TO BE DEMONSTRATED THROUGH A FORMAL PARK UH, PARKING STUDY, THERE'S MUL. 
          I MEAN, ANY CASE THERE'S MULTIPLE MERITS AND DISM DISPARATES. 
          UM, BUT WITHOUT KNOWING THE, THE NEED FOR IT, UM, I THINK THAT ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS HELP OUTWEIGH, UH, THE NEED FOR IT. 
          NO, THAT'S VERY CLEAR, BUT THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER PERMISSION, FORESIGHT, PLEASE. 
          AS THE APPLICANT PROPOSED ANY, UH, DEED RESTRICTIONS ON THIS WITH THIS, UH, PROPOSAL DEED RESTRICTIONS WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE WHEN THEY HAVE A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. 
          SO THEY, IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR, UH, RESTRICTION THAT THEY HAD IN MIND, THE APPLICANT HAD IN MIND, THEY, THEY WOULDN'T NEED TO VOLUNTEER DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          THEY WOULD, UM, VOLUNTEER A CONDITION THAT'S WRITTEN INTO THEIR PD. 
          THEY HAVE OTHER CONDITIONS WRITTEN INTO THEIR PD REGARDING SIDEWALKS, UM, AND, AND OTHER, UH, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY MEASURES. 
          THOSE ARE WRITTEN INTO THE PD, BUT A, UH, A DEALER SEARCH WOULD NOT BE NECESSARY ON TOP OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. 
          COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS, CAN YOU SHOW THE AREA PLAN AGAIN? UM, I THINK YOU LIST THE HOUSE THAT THURSDAY. 
          IT'S THE HOUSE. 
          IT'S ALL ONE ON ONE SIDE. 
          WE SEE. 
          BUT WE SEE THAT, WE SEE THAT AERIAL MAP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, 
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YEAH, THIS PROPERTY, THE NORTH BOUNDARY OF THIS PROPERTY IS THE SOUTH WEST PROPERTY LINE OF THAT HOUSE THERE. 
          SO THAT HOUSE, BUT IS THERE A HOUSE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE, OF, OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THE ALLEY. 
          SO THERE'S NOT, OKAY, SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SAID. 
          SO HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT YOU GOT. 
          SO, YEAH, SO WE KINDA GOT CONFUSED. 
          YOU MENTIONED, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT LIKE IT WAS A HOUSE, UH, MAYBE I MISHEARD YOU. 
          THERE WAS A HOUSE IN THIS PROPERTY IN ANOTHER HOUSE THAT IS NOT SO THIS HOUSE, THIS WHOLE LOT? YEAH. 
          IN A, BUT SO, SO THE CHURCH IS IN FRONT OF IT. 
          UM, THE TRAIL RUNS ALONG THE SOUTH BORDER, PARALLEL TO NORTHWEST HIGHWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO PRETTY MUCH IT'S THE TRAIL, THE PARKING AND ACROSS THE STREET. 
          UM, WHAT DID YOU, UM, ABOUT THE POOL THAT'S WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF, UH, THE CHURCH. 
          IS IT, IS THIS NOT A HUNDRED FEET OF THE CHURCH OR IF IT HAS TO BE A HUNDRED FEET OF THE BUILDING, NOT THE PROPERTY LINE? OH, UM, THE MAIN USES SECTION OF THE PD STATES THAT SURFACE PARKING FOR A CHURCH IS, IS PERMITTED, IS A PERMITTED MAIN USE IF IT'S WITHIN 100 FOOT OF PROPERTY. 
          AND THE CHURCH IN QUESTION IS WITHIN THAT DISTRICT ITSELF. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHY WOULD THAT NOT  APPROVE IF IT, IF IT'S ALREADY, UM, THAT'S MERELY HOW THEIR PD IS WRITTEN. 
          IT'S, UH, IT COULD, IT COULD BE WRITTEN TO SAY 300 FEET. 
          IT COULD BE WRITTEN TO SAY 700 FEET. 
          IT'S NOT ANY KIND OF, UM, IT'S NOT ANY KIND OF BASE CODE REQUIREMENT. 
          IT, IT SPOKE TO THIS DISTRICT. 
          NO, I, I'M, I'M SAYING THEREFORE WITH THE PD, THEY, THEY ARE OFFERING OUR, THAT ALREADY THE PA IN THE AREA. 
          THIS IS A, THIS IS A PROPOSAL FOR A NEW PD JUST TO ACCOMMODATE THE SURFACE PARKING FACILITY. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS THEY SAID IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY BASED DISTRICT, BUT SURFACE PARKING O ONLY IS ALLOWED WITH IF IT'S WITHIN 100 FEET OF CHURCH, WHICH IS THE CASE ON THIS SIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DO YOU, SO I THINK IT'S MARKED. 
          SHOULD WE BE ASKING THE APPLICANT, WOULD THEY BE WILLING IT JUST DENIAL, WOULD THEY BE WILLING TO GO AHEAD WITH THE PARKING STUDY SO THEY REALLY, UM, UM, PROCEED INSTEAD OF, UM, THIS DENY IT? WOULD THEY BE BETTER? I'VE MADE IT CLEAR THROUGH COMMENTS THE APPLICANT THAT WOULD MAKE STAFF MORE CAPABLE OF, OF MAKING A DECISION OF APPROVAL IF A PARKING STUDY WAS AVAILABLE TO US. 
          WELL, ONLY WHEN WE DO KNOW THAT IF THEY NOT APPROVE THE CHURCH, PROBABLY STILL GONNA PARK ON THE BLOCK, WOULD STILL USE THE PARKING, EVERY CHURCH, CHURCHES, EVERYWHERE. 
          OKAY. 
          I, EVERY, EVERYWHERE. 
          IF IT'S A OVERFLOW, IT'S EITHER GONNA OVERFLOW THROUGH THE STREET OR IT'S GONNA OVERFLOW TO A LOT THAT THE CHURCH ON THAT IS NOT A FOOD SURFACE. 
          YEAH, THAT I GOTCHA. 
          THAT'S A MATTER, UH, FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON TO CASE NUMBER 21 AND THERE ARE SOME, SOME UPDATES TO THIS ONE. 
          . 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, SO THIS ZONING CASE, UM, IS ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS IN FRONT OF YOU, I THINK BACK IN SEPTEMBER. 
          IT WENT TO CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL REMAND IT TO CITY PLAN COMMISSION FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION. 
          UM, THERE ARE FEW UPDATES AND I WANTED TO UPDATE YOU ON THOSE. 
          UM, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THE SAME. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          SO AS YOU KNOW, REFRESHER IS A, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR ALCOHOL BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT, LIMITED, LIMITED TO A BAR, LAUNDRY OR TAVERN. 
          AND THE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE LIMITED TO A DANCE HALL, IT IS, UH, ZONED ISN'T DOWNTOWN. 
          IT'S ZONED PD SIX, UH, 19. 
          IT'S SUB-DISTRICT A, B AND CB IS BELOW LEVEL. 
          THAT'S NOT, UH, WHAT TRIGGERS THE SUP TODAY BECAUSE THE, THE REQUEST IS NOT FOR BELOW LEVEL BUFFER, STREET LEVEL AND ABOVE STREET LEVEL. 
          UM, THOSE REGULATIONS WILL APPLY. 
          IT HAS A HISTORICAL OVERLAY, NO CHANGES TO THE, TO THE BUILDING, UM, AND IS LOCATED 
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ON HOWARD AND PACIFIC. 
          UM, AS I SAID, IT IS IN DOWNTOWN SIDE BY SIDE AREA AND ZONING MAP'S. 
          THE NORTH CORNER OF THE BLOCK YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE ACROSS THE STREET. 
          UM, THERE IS A PARKING LOT, A PARKING GARAGE OFFICE, UM, A PARK. 
          UM, TO THE SOUTH THERE IS A MULTIPLE STORY BUILDING WITH MIXED TWOS ON THE RESTAURANT AT THE GROUND FLOOR. 
          AND THEN TO THE WEST THERE IS A, THERE'S A THEATER. 
          SO, UM, IN THE STAFF REPORT SINCE LAST TIME, I BEEFED UP A LITTLE BIT, THE BACKGROUND SECTION AND I ADDED MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PREVIOUS SUP. 
          THIS SITE, UM, USED TO HAVE AN SUP, THIS SITE, LET ME GO THROUGH THE BULLET POINTS. 
          IT'S AN EXISTING TWO STORY BUILDING. 
          UM, FOR THE DCA RECORDS, IT WAS, UH, BILLED A LONG TIME AGO AND THE REQUESTED USES WOULD OCCUPY FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR. 
          THIS IS THE CHANGE OR THE UPDATE FROM LAST TIME. 
          LOOKING INTO THE RECORDS AND THE PREVIOUS SUP 2029, THIS SUP, UH, WAS FOR THE SAME USE. 
          IT WAS IDENTICAL WITH THIS, UH, REQUEST IN FRONT OF US TODAY. 
          SO THE PREVIOUS SUP WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2013. 
          IT WAS RENEWED THREE TIMES. 
          ONE OF THE RENEWAL WAS DENIED, BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED A YEAR LATER. 
          BUT THIS SUP EXPIRED IN APRIL, 2023. 
          WE HAVE THIS NEW SUP APPLICATION IN FRONT OF US TODAY. 
          IT WAS SUBMITTED IN JUNE, 2024. 
          UM, CPC RECOMMENDED DENIAL IN SEPTEMBER. 
          CITY COUNCIL REMANDED THE CASE TO CPC IN OCTOBER. 
          THE ONLY CHANGE, AS I SAID, IT'S A CLARIFICATION TO INCLUDE BOTH FLOORS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT WAS IN THE, IN THE PREVIOUS SUP AND THAT'S HOW THE BUILDING CONFIGURATION IS. 
          IT HAS LIKE AN INTERIOR, UH, STAIR AND AN AREA WHERE YOU CAN LOOK TOWARDS THE DANCE FLOOR. 
          SO WE JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY AND MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMISSION AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS IT'S, THEY ARE TRYING TO RESTORE OR TO GO TO THE PREVIOUS SUB UM, UM, LIGHTS THAT THEY HAD JUST ADDED A FEW MORE PICTURES TO SHOW THE TWO SIGNS THAT ARE ON, ON THE DOOR. 
          NOT MUCH. 
          IT'S AGAIN, IT'S A FULLY BUILT SITE ACCESS ON TWO STREETS, UH, PARKED ACROSS AN OFFICE ACROSS THE STREET, THE GARAGE, AND THE PARKING LOT ACROSS ON THE OTHER SIDE, FIRST FLOOR AND SECOND FLOOR. 
          BOTH OF THEM, THIS IS, UM, A ZOOM IN SECOND FLOOR IS ALSO PART OF THE SITE PLAN. 
          KEEP ON SAYING THAT'S HOW THE SUP WAS PREVIOUSLY. 
          UM, AND THE DENSE FLOOR IS ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THEN THERE ARE BAR AREAS ON, UH, LIMITED BAR AREAS ON BOTH FLOORS. 
          THE CONDITIONS ARE THE SAME. 
          THE ONLY CHANGES THE, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE TO REFLECT, UH, BOTH, BOTH, UM, STORIES AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION REMAINS THREE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO SETTLEMENT FOR FIRST AND SECOND FLOORING CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. 
          WHEN COUNSEL REMANDED THIS CASE TO US, DID THEY GIVE US ANY INSTRUCTIONS OR ANY REASON FOR THE REMAND? UM, I DON'T RECALL. 
          THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION AT CITY COUNCIL AND I THINK THEY WERE ALSO TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. 
          THEY WANTED TO A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO OFFER MORE INFORMATION. 
          UM, I DON'T RECALL. 
          IT WAS JUST THE INTENTION TO DISCUSS IT AGAIN. 
          AND TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, AND I THINK YOU SAID THIS, THERE'S NO CHANGE IN THE APPLICATION OR NEW EVIDENCE, CORRECT? AS I SAID, THE CHANGE IS WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDED AND THE APPLICANT AGREED WAS TO SHOW BOTH FLOORS IN THE SUP BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT FUNCTIONS. 
          UH, AS TO THE EVIDENCE PART, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY. 
          THE REQUEST IS AND THE CHANGE, THE, THE QUESTION IN FRONT OF US IS THE SAME. 
          IS THIS A GOOD USE OF LAND AT THIS LOCATION? UM, UH, TO BE MORE SPECIFIC, THERE'S BEEN NO CHANGE IN THE PROPERTY OR THE LAND USE FOR BASICALLY CONSIDERING THE SAME APPLICATION AGAIN. 
          YES, YES, YES, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND TO BE CLEAR, THE APPLICANT CAN USE THIS SITE FOR A RESTAURANT, THEY DON'T NEED AN SUP TO USE IT AS A RESTAURANT? YES. 
          THAT IS AN ALLOWED USE IN ALL PREVIOUS. 
          SO IF THEY'RE USING IT AS A RESTAURANT, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE, THEY CAN CONTINUE TO USE THAT AS A RESTAURANT. 
          UM, IF THEY CHOOSE TO PULL A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND RETROFIT IT INTO A RESTAURANT, YES, THEY CAN. 
          IT'S A USE. 
          THAT'S A LOT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IF THEY HAVE AN OFFICE ON SITE, THEY CAN USE IT AS AN OFFICE? YES. 
          SO THE ONLY THING THEY NEED AN SUP FOR IS FOR A DANCE HALL, BAR, TAVERN AND COMM COMMERCIAL U AMUSEMENT INSIDE IS 
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THOSE TWO USES. 
          THERE ARE OTHER USES IN THE DISTRICT THAT REQUIRE SUP, BUT WHAT THEY WANT IS A CLUB WITH, UH, IS A, IS A DANCE HALL WITH ALCOHOL SALES. 
          AND BOTH THO THOSE REQUIRE SUP? CORRECT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, AND I BELIEVE I SAW THAT YOU CIRCULATED YESTERDAY UPDATED, UM, STATISTICS FROM DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT? YES. 
          THEY'RE NOT UPDATED AND I WILL CLARIFY THAT. 
          I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE CHAIR YESTERDAY. 
          HE REQUESTED, IF WE HAVE THOSE TO CIRCULATE, IT IS OUR, UM, NORMAL PRACTICE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC, A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR CERTAIN TYPE OF USES TO NOT LOOK AT CRIME STATUS. 
          BECAUSE IF THE SITE WAS NOT, UH, IT'S A NEW SUP, WE ASSUME THAT IT DOESN'T OPERATE. 
          UM, HOWEVER, BEING SO MUCH CONVERSATION, AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR US WHEN WE HAVE NEW SUP SO CLOSE TO AN SUP THAT EXPIRED FOR THE SAME USE. 
          UH, WE HAVE THEM IN OUR BACK POCKET IN, IN CASE WE NEED THEM. 
          IT IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR US TO CIRCULATE WITH CPC AT THE CPCS REQUEST. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID YESTERDAY. 
          TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, IS THIS, UM, CLUB OPERATING CURRENTLY? I WOULD LEAVE THAT TO THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, WE SPECIFIED AND CLARIFIED WITH THEM THAT THE SUP IS EXPIRED, SO THAT IS NOT A USE THAT IS ALLOWED AT THE PROPERTY. 
          CURRENTLY THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY SEIZED THE OPERATION, BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S A CONVERSATION. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE, THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO PRESENT EVIDENCE OF, OF THAT'S COMMISSIONER WEAVER. 
          CAN YOU MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE GETTING ON THE MIC SO THE FOLKS ONLINE CAN HEAR YOU? ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE APPLICANT WAS GOING TO PRESENT EVIDENCE THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE PRESENTED AT CPCS WAS NOT ACTUALLY RELATED TO THE PROPERTY? UH, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DID, UH, TALK TO, AND I CAN VERY CLOSE WITH THE APPLICANT WAS A PLEASURE. 
          UM, I ADVISED THEM TO COME PREPARE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND HAVE PRESENTATIONS READY IF NEED BE. 
          UM, DID THE HAVE APPLICANT HAVE ANY CONFLICTS? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT CONFLICT MEANS. 
          UM, I I'LL ADD THAT A COMMISSIONER CORONE WERE THE PREVIOUS SUVS, UH, THAT WERE GRANTED, UH, IN THAT HISTORY THAT YOU GAVE, WERE THEY FOR THE DANCE HALL AND THE BAR OR WERE THEY, UH, FOR A DIFFERENT USE? UH, YES. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. 
          IT'S WORTH A CLARIFICATION. 
          YES. 
          THE ORIGINAL SUP WHEN IT WAS CREATED IN 2013 WAS FOR BOTH USES. 
          IT WAS IDENTICAL. 
          WE, AGAIN, WE USED THE SAME SITE PLAN AS BUILT. 
          UM, SO YES, ORIGINALLY TO THE SUP 2029 WAS FOR BOTH USES IN ONE OF THE RENEWALS, THEY DID AN AMENDMENT BECAUSE, UM, IT WAS FOUND THAT THE ALCOHOL SALES DIDN'T WARRANT A BAR AND IT WAS CLASSIFIED A RESTAURANT. 
          BUT WHEN IT WAS LASTLY RENEWED, IT WAS AMENDED TO BRING BACK BOTH USES AGAIN. 
          SO THROUGHOUT ITS LIFE, SUP 2029 FROM 2013 TO 2023, IT WAS FOR BOTH USES EXCEPT A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THEY DIDN'T NEED THE BAR BECAUSE THEY WASN'T, THEY WEREN'T HAVING AS MUCH ALCOHOL SALES COMM. 
          WHAT, UM, SINCE THE USE WAS THE SAME, BASICALLY THE SAME SINCE 2013, WAS IT THE SAME APPLICANT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PERIOD OR WAS THERE A CHANGE IN OWNER IN THE APPLICANT FOR THE SUP, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HAVE TO RENEW SUVS, UM, IT WAS A CHANGE IN APPLICANT THE LAST TIME SUP 2029 WAS RENEWED. 
          EH, I THINK IT WAS THE SAME AS APPLICANT AS TODAY. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT. 
          SO THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHY THIS WAS REPRIMANDED AND THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT CONFLICT OF INTEREST AT CPC. 
          MAYBE LEGAL CAN TALK ABOUT THIS, MAYBE IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT I HADN'T GOTTEN ANY ANSWERS ON THAT. 
          WHAT ARE THE REGULATIONS ABOUT THAT CONVERSATION AT COUNSEL AND HOW DOES IT AFFECT US TODAY? IF LAURA WANTS TO COME AND ADD A CLARIFICATION? I WOULD SAY THAT IT WASN'T A CONVERSATION AT CITY COUNCIL, IT WAS THE APPLICANT WHO MADE THE STATEMENT THAT THE CONVERSATION AT COUNCIL WAS ABOUT THE SUP AND UM, UH, THE MERITS AND THE USE OF THE LOCATION AND CRIME STATUS. 
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SO IF LAURA WANTS TO ADDRESS THE CONFLICT AND YEAH, I'LL JUST ADD THAT, UM, QUESTIONS OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED BETWEEN, UM, THE SPECIFIC, UH, CITY OFFICIAL OR SPECIFIC CITY EMPLOYEE AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, THIS BODY DOESN'T HAVE ANY JURISDICTION TO TO, TO EVEN WEIGH IN ON ANYONE'S CONFLICT OF INTEREST OR POSSIBLE CONFLICT OF INTEREST. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT ON RECORD, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL, IS THIS THE, IS THIS THE CLUB VIVO CASE? YES, SIR. 
          IT'S, THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER. 
          HEY, WELL, I I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION ON THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE WAS A KNOWN WAS SUPPOSEDLY KNOWN AT THE LAST CPC, UM, THAT WASN'T STATED. 
          SO HOW DOES THAT, WHEN DO WE SURVEY THEY KNOW CONFLICT? WHERE IS THE, WHAT DO AND EXPLAINING HOW NO, DO YOU WANT, YOU WANNA ADDRESS IT AGAIN AND, AND WHILE YOU GET TO THE MICROPHONE, I THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE, WE DON'T EXPLAIN EXPLANATION OF THE FAR WORD YOU SAID THAT, UM, SPECIFIC, THAT EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE, EXPLAIN ABOUT POSSIBLE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. 
          THERE'S A NON-PROFIT, RIGHT? SO ANY CITY EMPLOYEE OR CITY OFFICIAL WHO SUSPECTS THEY MIGHT HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST CAN SPEAK WITH, UM, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, BUT AS FAR AS LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, THIS BODY DISCUSSING SOMEONE'S CONFLICT OF INTEREST, THAT DOESN'T COME UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          SO THAT SHOULDN'T BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION ON ANY ZONING CASE. 
          THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE BETWEEN THE SPECIFIC CITY EMPLOYEE OR THE SPECIFIC CITY OFFICIAL AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. 
          AND THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE PRIVILEGED. 
          JUST TO FOLLOW UP FOR THAT, UM, WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING IS THAT THAT IS A COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE INDIVIDUAL, WHETHER THAT'S AN EMPLOYEE OR COMMISSIONER, AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN THIS BODY DOES NOT HAVE A STANDING TO, TO GET IN BETWEEN THOSE CONVERSATIONS OR, AND EVEN IF WE DID, UH, IT IS NOT OUR PURVIEW. 
          WE'RE NOT TRAINED, WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO MAKE ANY KIND OF DETERMINATION WHATSOEVER. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THEREFORE, WE DON'T TAKE THEM, UH, UNDER ADVISEMENT. 
          WE DON'T DISCUSS THEM. 
          UM, AND WE ASK FOLKS NOT TO BRING THAT UP. 
          WE HAVE AN INSPECTOR GENERAL, IF SOMEONE HAS THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES, THEY CAN BRING IT UP WITH AN INSPECTOR GENERAL THAT THIS BODY DOES NOT TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          THAT'S CORRECT AT ALL. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          MR. RUBIN. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, WE'LL KEEP GOING THEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DR. 
          RUB WROTE CASE NUMBER 22. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ONE MOMENT. 
          I HAVING A TECHNICAL ISSUE WITH MY FIRST POWERPOINT. 
          NOW, JUST BACK UP ONE SECOND. 
          I ALSO CAN'T DO THIS SETTING THING. 
          I NEED TO STAND UP AND DO THIS LAST ONE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THIS IS Z 2 3 4 2 9 0. 
          AND IT'S AN APPLICATION ONE FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUB-DISTRICT NUMBER 1 45 WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT 
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DISTRICT NUMBER 1 9 3 OAK LAWN SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT AND TWO, A SPECIAL, EXCUSE ME, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A BANK OR A SAVINGS AND LOAN OFFICE DRIVE-IN WINDOW SERVICE ON THE NORTH CORNER OF MAPLE AVENUE AND AMELIA AVENUE, 21,000 SQUARE FEET ROUGHLY. 
          AND THIS IS LOCATED ON MAPLE OFF OF, UH, OUTSIDE OF OAK LAWN, JUST OUTSIDE OF, WELL, IT'S IN OAK LAWN I GUESS. 
          AND HERE IT IS ON THE NORTH CORNER UNDEVELOPED AT THIS TIME AS IT EXISTS TODAY. 
          SO THERE'S SOME DUPLEXES IN THE NORTHEAST. 
          THERE'S A, UH, GENERAL MERCHANDISE FOOD STORE TO SOUTHEAST ACROSS AMELIA. 
          IT'S ANOTHER MERGED STORE TO THE SOUTH, UH, TO THE WEST ACROSS MAPLE. 
          THERE'S A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT, A GARAGE, AND TO THE NORTHWEST. 
          THERE'S A MULTI MULTIPLE FAMILY USE. 
          RIGHT NOW IT'S UNDEVELOPED. 
          UH, THERE IS AN EXISTING P-D-S-A-P-D-S IS A SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PD 1 93 THAT BASICALLY, UM, ACTS KIND OF LIKE A PD WITHIN A PD JUST TO PUT IT ALL OUT THERE AGAIN. 
          UM, SO PDS 1 45 DEFAULTS TO THE GR GENERAL RETAIL SUBDISTRICT. 
          SO UNIQUE SUBDISTRICT PD 1 93, UH, WITH FUNCTION SIMILARLY TO IT, THOUGH IT TOOK OUT THE MOTOR VEHICLE RELATED USES. 
          MOTOR VEHICLE RELATED USES BEING A SPECIFIC USE CATEGORY WITHIN PD 1 93 IN ORDER TO DEVELOP THAT BANK OF SAVINGS OFFICE WITH A DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW, UH, THEY'RE REQUESTING TO ONE, AMEND THAT PDS AND ALSO AN SUP AS THAT'S, UH, NECESSARY TO DO DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW FOR A BANK IN GR GENERAL RETAIL SUBDISTRICT. 
          UH, THAT BANK, AGAIN, IS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE AN SUP WHEN IT INCLUDES DRIVE-IN WINDOW. 
          UH, IT'S BASED ON PD 1 93. 
          BROADLY, UH, WE RECOMMEND A COUPLE ALTERNATIVE CONDITIONS TO ENHANCE THE PUBLIC FROM TRY AND DETAIL THOSE. 
          YOU SEE COMMISSIONER HALL STOOD UP AT THE SAME TIME I DID. 
          SO I'M JUST GONNA TAKE THAT AS A GOOD IDEA. 
          UM, ON AMELIA STREET HERE WE ARE LOOKING NORTHWEST AT THE SITE AS IT EXISTS TODAY. 
          A BIT FURTHER DOWN, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN. 
          AND THEN THAT'S THE, THAT'S REALLY THE INTERSECTION OF MAPLE AND AMELIA LOOKING ACROSS MAPLE. 
          UH, SO THE, THE COMMERCIAL PARKING LOTS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE MEDICAL DISTRICT AND YOU SEE THE HOSPITAL THERE. 
          THIS IS LOOKING SOUTHBOUND MAPLE SOUTH ACROSS AT THE MERCHANDISE FOOD STORE. 
          LOOKING ACROSS AT THE OTHER MERCHANDISE FOOD STORE ACROSS AMELIA, LOOK AT NORTHEAST UP, UM, AMELIA TOWARDS THE MORE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THIS AREA. 
          THEY'VE GOT AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN AS IT EXISTS TODAY. 
          SO THEY'RE A PD S THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE A PD WITHIN A PD AND THEY'RE HELD TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT THIS TIME FOR, UH, THE OTHER USES THAT MAY BE PERMITTED. 
          THEY'RE HELD TO A LANDSCAPE PLAN AS WELL AT THIS TIME. 
          SO FOR THE SUP, AGAIN, IT'S A DRIVE THROUGH BANK FACILITY, UH, PRETTY SMALL BUILDING, BUT GENERALLY FUNCTION AS SUCH, UH, WITH THE SITE. 
          SO AGAIN, SOME OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE SITE AND THE, UH, UH, THE PDS PRESCRIBED THE BUILDING TO BE PRETTY SIMILAR TO THE OTHER ONE. 
          UH, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME MINOR DETAILS IN THE CHANGES OF DESIGN, UH, BUT IT HAS TO BE FAIRLY SIMILAR TO THE OTHER. 
          SO THAT PROPOSED L UH, SUP LANDSCAPE PLAN, THIS IS THE SUP LANDSCAPE PLAN, AS YOU'VE SEEN IN THE DOCKET. 
          IT DID HAVE SOME ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATIONS ON IT, UH, LATE YESTERDAY. 
          I DID RECEIVE A NEW ONE. 
          I DON'T EVEN HAVE IT IN THIS POWERPOINT, BUT I SHOULD BE ABLE TO PULL IT UP FOR US. 
          I HAD IT DISTRIBUTED, DIDN'T GET THROUGH UNTIL I THINK 20 MINUTES AGO. 
          SO, UH, SORRY ABOUT THAT, BUT I DID RECEIVE IT, UH, LATE, BUT HOPEFULLY WE CANNOT TAKE A LOOK AT IT STILL. 
          SO KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          UH, WE LOOK AT THE PDS. 
          SO THE EXISTING PDS MADE CHANGES TO THE GR UH, THOSE ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW NOW. 
          THE LIGHT BLUE ARE THE CHANGES THAT THE CASE MAKES TO THE, UH, PDS. 
          SO CHANGES ON, ON THAT. 
          AND REALLY THE ONLY CHANGE TO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IS THE EXISTING, UM, PDS AND YOU. 
          YEAH, YOU CAN'T HAVE A PRIMARY BUILDING. 
          YOU CAN ONLY REALLY HAVE YOUR SERVICE PARKING, UM, ON THE NORTHEAST 103 FEET. 
          THEY CHANGED THAT TO 98 FEET, UH, DUE TO SOME DESIGN CON SITE CONSTRAINTS. 
          SO IT MOVES AT FIVE FEET NORTHEAST OR AT LEAST POTENTIALLY, UH, AMENDMENT TO THE CONDITIONS. 
          UH, STAFF AND THE APPLICANT WORKED ON A COUPLE OF DESIGN STANDARDS, SO THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCES FOR SURE. 
          SO THE APPLICANT REQUESTED 20% TRANSPARENCY FOR ITS STREET FACING FACADES. 
          UH, JUST TWO OF THOSE. 
          UH, AND THEN THEY ALSO REQUEST TO HAVE SCREEN MATERIALS IN 
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FRONT OF THEM THAT ARE, UH, 40% OPEN, UM, BETWEEN THE TRANSPARENT FACADE. 
          SO DIFFERENCE FROM THAT AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR 20% BASED TRANSPARENCY. 
          YOU CAN ONLY HAVE THAT SCREENING IN FRONT OF IT, LIKE A METAL SCREEN, A DESIGN SCREEN IF, IF YOU UP THE BASE TRANSPARENCY THAT'S UNDERNEATH THAT, UH, WE STILL GET A LITTLE BIT OF CONNECTION TO THE STREET MAKES UP FOR THAT SCREENING AND, AND STAFF'S OPINION. 
          UH, WE ALSO CALL FOR STREET FACING ENTRIES TO FACE EACH, UM, OF THE TWO FACADES. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          YEAH, ON EACH OF THE FACADES THAT WOULD HAVE TO FACE EACH STREET, THERE ARE TWO SMALL STREETS HERE. 
          UH, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO SEE ENTRIES, UH, TO BOTH OF THEM. 
          UH, THAT FACEBOOK, THESE STREETS ACTIVATE A LITTLE BETTER RETAIL, THIS IS A GENERAL RETAIL DISTRICT. 
          IT'S A PRETTY, UH, DEVELOPING RETAIL STREET IN OUR ASSESSMENT. 
          UH, HAVE DRY DRIVEWAY ACCESS, UH, MINIMUMS, OR EXCUSE ME, MAXIMUMS, UH, ADDED IN THE RECOMMENDATION THERE. 
          THOSE ARE FOUND FROM THAT. 
          UM, AS FOR, AND THEN BEYOND THAT WE HAVE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT, UH, SOME BUFFERING BE PLACED, UH, UH, SPOKEN OF BEFORE. 
          SIMILARLY, THAT LITTLE HEIGHT BUFFERING WHEN A SIDEWALK IS CLOSE TO A SURFACE PARKING LOT. 
          THEN WE HAVE THE SUP CONDITIONS. 
          SO WE'VE GOT TWO MOVING PARTS OF CONDITIONS HERE. 
          UH, THEIR PROPOSED SUP CONDITIONS CALL FOR, UH, FIVE YEARS AND FIVE YEARS, BUT ON A RENEWAL, UH, HOURS OF OPERATION, EIGHT TO FIVE AND, UH, LANDSCAPING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLAN. 
          UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS A LITTLE BIT OF CHANGE TO THAT. 
          WE RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO THE PLAN. 
          THOSE WERE MARKED ON THE PLAN. 
          UH, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THOSE WITH THE PLANS THAT WERE DISTRIBUTED YESTERDAY. 
          UM, BUT WE DID ASK FOR SOME CONDITIONS TO KIND OF HARD CODE SOME OF THAT STUFF IN. 
          SO WE HAVE A BASELINE OF, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR SUP HAS APPROVED. 
          THEY NEED TO MINORLY AMEND IT IN THE FUTURE. 
          WE HAVE SOMETHING, SOMETHING QUALITY IN THERE THAT KIND OF MIRRORS, UH, MORE CLOSELY THE PART ONE LANDSCAPING OF PD 1 93 AS WELL AS THE EXISTING SUP LANDSCAPE, OR EXCUSE ME, THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE PLAN. 
          SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT, SUB-DISTRICT NUMBER 1 45, SUBJECT TO STAFF REC CONDITIONS. 
          AND TWO, APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A BANK ARE SAVINGS AND LOAN OFFICE WITH DRIVE THROUGH DRIVE-IN WINDOW SERVICE FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNED AND LANDSCAPE PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          QUESTIONS FOR MR. HAN? THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          AND THANK YOU MR. PEPE FOR, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN, UM, WORKING ON THOSE SITE AND LANDSCAPE PLANS. 
          IS IT CORRECT THAT THE REVISED PLAN CAME ABOUT DUE TO ENGINEERING COMMENTS TO RESPOND TO THE EXISTING SITE CONDITIONS WHERE THERE WERE OVERHEAD UTILITY LINES AS WELL AS WATERLINE CONFLICTS THAT WERE POSING CHALLENGES FOR GETTING THE SIDEWALK LOCATED WITH THE UM, BUFFERS? YES. 
          AND IN THERE, IN PART I WOULD SAY IN RESPONSE TO THE DOCKET RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, GOT A HOLD OF THAT, WE WANTED TO SEE MORE PLANTINGS THAN THEIR ORIGINAL PLANS CALLED FOR AS, UM, DISCUSSED IN THE SLIDE IN REGARDS TO THAT. 
          SO I DO HAVE THEM AVAILABLE, LOOK AT THAT. 
          UM, SO UP UPDATED SUP LANDSCAPE PLAN IS NOT GONNA CHANGE MAJORLY FROM WHAT YOU'VE SEEN, THEY AMENDED HOW THEY LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON, IT'S NOT SHOWING IT'S, THEY AMENDED HOW THEIR LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS, UM, ORIENTED ALONG MAPLE. 
          SO REALLY PLAN CHANGE TO SITE PLAN CHANGES. 
          YOU'LL SEE THE SIDEWALK HAS A MORE OF A BUFFER THERE THAT, SO A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY FOLLOWED THROUGH ON AS BEST AS THEY CAN GIVEN THE UTILITY CONSTRAINTS THERE. 
          AND THEN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN DISTRIBUTED VERY RECENTLY RECEIVED LAST NIGHT IS IT'S PRIMARILY ALONG AMELIA, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          SO YES, THEY, THEY MOVED THEIR SMALL TREE. 
          SO IN THIS CASE THEY'D HAVE A FEW MORE LARGE TREES. 
          UH, THEY'D HAVE THREE LARGE TREES ALONG THIS FRONTAGE, UM, RATHER THAN SMALL TREES IN THE, UM, PLANTED IN THE LANDSCAPE UPPER DUE TO CONFLICT WITH UTILITY. 
          UM, BUT IN THIS CASE WHERE THEY'D HAVE LARGE TREE THREE, THE THREE LARGE TREES INCLUDING THE PRESERVATION OF AN EXISTING LARGE TREE, UM, STAFF SEES THAT AS A BENEFIT FOR SURE. 
          UM, THEN WE HAVE FOUR LARGE TREES ON THE, UH, MAPLE FRONTAGE, WHICH WE'RE PART OF. 
          YES, WE'RE PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION IN THE DOCKET. 
          AND THOSE FOUR LARGE TREES ON MAPLE, WERE NOT ACTUALLY IN PRESENT IN THE DOCKET COPY. 
          THEY ARE NOW PRESENT ON MAPLE IN THIS COPY. 
          AND IS IT CORRECT THAT THE SUP CONDITIONS NEED TO BE AMENDED FOR 
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AMELIA TO INDICATE THE THREE LARGE TREES AND THE BASE WAS EIGHT SMALLER AGAIN AS THEY WERE WORKING THROUGH THE, UM, SITE UTILITY COMPLEX? I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, TWO FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS. 
          UM, THIS IS LOCATED IN PD 1 93 AS YOU HAD MENTIONED. 
          UM, THE STAFF REPORT DIDN'T, UM, INCLUDE IT, BUT IT IS PART OF THE OAK LAWN PLAN. 
          AND IS MAPLE A DESIGNATED RETAIL STREET WITHIN THE OAK LAWN PLAN WITHIN THE PD CONDITIONS? I, I'M, I'M NOT AWARE. 
          WELL, I, I THINK I CAN SPEAK TO IT IS WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CASES ON, UM, MAPLE AND IS THAT REALLY JUST, AND I THINK IT SPEAKS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT STAFF IS, UM, RECOMMENDING TO BE INCLUDE THAT HIGHLIGHT PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS, NO PARKING IN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, ESSENTIALLY ADDRESSING THE PUBLIC GROUND WITH DEVELOPMENT. 
          YES, CERTAIN THEY WANTED TO ACTIVATE, SAW THAT AS A PRIORITY TO ACTIVATE THAT, UM, STREET FRONTAGE MAPLE AS IT FURTHER DEVELOPS. 
          AND ARE YOU AWARE THAT THERE'S AN ONGOING SAFETY STUDY ALONG THE LENGTH OF MAPLE AVENUE, UM, THAT'S INITIATIVE WITHIN THE OAK OAKLAND COMMUNITY? DEFINITELY AWARE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UH, FINAL QUESTION, UM, JUST REALLY MORE FOR THE COMMISSIONER, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE, UM, APPLICANT HAS BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE OKLAHOMA COMMITTEE AND WHILE WE DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY ARE AWARE OF THE REQUEST, IS THAT ANYTHING THAT'S COME THROUGH TO YOU? NO, BUT I'M HAPPY TO HEAR IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CANTA. 
          ALONG THE SAME LINES AS WHAT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON ASKED, ARE YOU AWARE THAT MAPLE AVENUE HAS BEEN DESIGNATED ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS ROADS IN THE CITY FOR PEDESTRIANS AND VEHICULAR OCCUPANTS AND IS AT THE TOP OF THE LIST FOR THE VISION ZERO ACTION PLAN? VERY MUCH SO, YEAH. 
          AND DO YOU BELIEVE THAT PUTTING A DRIVE THROUGH, UM, ALONG MAPLE AVENUE, IT'S GOING TO IMPROVE THAT CONDITION? OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT FIND ISSUE WITH THE NATURE OF A DRIVE THROUGH BANK, UH, BEING ADDED AT THIS SITE. 
          I WON'T SPEAK FOR TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT, BUT I THINK THEY SAW IT AS A PRETTY LOW TRAFFIC, UH, ADDITION. 
          WHAT WE DO HAVE IS SIDEWALK STANDARDS THAT HELP MAKE THAT BETTER. 
          WE ALSO HAVE DRIVEWAY STANDARDS THAT MAKE THAT BETTER. 
          DID YOU CONSULT WITH THE TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT? I'M SORRY, THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT? UM, ON THIS PROJECT WE, WE DID DAVID NAVAR. 
          ANYONE ELSE? HE IS OUR PRIMARY POINT OF CONTACT FOR ENGINEERING AND TRANSPORTATION ISSUES. 
          OKAY, THANKS COMMISSIONER CARPEN. 
          MR. P, WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE HOUR LIMITATIONS BEING EIGHT EIGHT TO FIVE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY? WAS THAT WHAT THE APPLICANT, THOSE APPLICANT'S? YEAH, THAT'S THE APPLICANT'S ORIGINAL REQUEST, EIGHT TO FIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          WOULD THAT, I MEAN, THIS IS DRIVE THROUGH, I'M ASSUMING WITH DRIVE THROUGH ATM, THOSE HOURS DON'T APPLY TO THE DRIVE THROUGH ATM, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD, THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. 
          UH, IN TERMS OF IN IMPLEMENTATION, I'D IMAGINE THEY DO NOT, UH, RATHER THEY ONLY APPLY TO BUILDING OPERATIONS BECAUSE YOUR UP IS TYING TO YOUR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. 
          UH, SO THE CONDITIONS ARE ENFORCED ON THAT GROUNDS. 
          UH, I'D IMAGINE THAT A MACHINE IS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT STORY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, ANOTHER QUESTION I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT IS BEING ASKED FOR WITH THE, UM, 40% OPEN SCREENING, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, THE APPLICANT AND STAFF IS THE, UM, APPLICANT WANTS THIS 40% OPEN SCREENING WITH 20% TRANSPARENCY AND STAFF WANTS IT WITH 50. 
          WHAT EXACTLY ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT? SCREENING MATERIALS THAT ARE MORE THAN 40% OPEN ARE PERMITTED BETWEEN THE TRANSPARENT SURFACE AND THE STREET. 
          IS THIS SOME SORT OF METAL SCREEN THAT'S OVER GLASS OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S DETACHED FROM THE BUILDING? I, I DON'T, I'M NOT GETTING WHAT WE'RE APPROVING. 
          GOOD QUESTION. 
          I, I'M, WE'RE WE'RE VIEWING IT AND KIND OF REVIEWING IT LIKE YOU WOULD A FENCE. 
          THINK OF IT LIKE FENCE SCREENING. 
          WE HAVE PRETTY CLEAR INTERPRETATION OF WHAT A CERTAIN DEGREE OF OPENNESS IS. 
          IN REALITY, I THINK THEY'VE STATED IT WOULD BE A BIT OF A DECORATIVE, UH, SCREENING MATERIAL THAT'S MAYBE SET BACK FROM THE GLASS A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, SO, BUT I THINK IN TERMS OF VIEWING IT AS MATERIAL, VIEWING IT AS THE PERCENTAGES, I WOULD REVIEW IT SIMILARLY TO A FENCE . 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, I'M USED TO SEEING, UH, PERCENTAGES FOR OPEN SCREENING ON RESIDENTIAL FENCES, BUT BANKS DON'T USUALLY FENCE THEMSELVES OFF. 
          SO I WAS, I COULDN'T UNDER, I WASN'T UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE, THE ASK WAS THERE. 
          I THINK IT'S A DESIGN CONSIDERATION BY THE APPLICANT AND STAFF SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S OKAY TO PUT A DEGREE OF SCREENING IN FRONT OF, UH, A FACADE. 
          UH, STILL NEEDS TO BE OPEN. 
          BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS THEY'RE SAYING WE WANT 20% BASE TRANSPARENCY ON MY WALL, 
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WHICH IS I WANT A 40% SCREENING ON IN FRONT OF THAT STAFF IS SAYING, OH, YOU CAN HAVE THE 40%, UH, SCREENING IN FRONT OF IT IF YOU UP THE BASE TRANSPARENCY ON THE, THE FACADE TREATMENT ITSELF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER HUM. 
          SECOND PLEASE. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          MR. CHAIR IS, IS IT CORRECT MR. PEPPY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN THE RENDERINGS, I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN CHAIRED WITH ME IN THE COMMUNITY IS THAT IT'S A DECORATIVE SCREEN THAT IS FORMING A COVERED WALKWAY, UM, ESSENTIALLY ADJACENT TO THE LOBBY, BUT THAT'S WHAT THAT SCREENING ELEMENT IS, IS MEANT TO ACCOMMODATE. 
          YES. 
          AND IT'S SO IT'S, IT IS SET BACK FROM THAT WINDOW IN IN THEIR PROPOSAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN, AND OBVIOUSLY I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO DO CONDITIONS, APPLICANT'S CHANGE USES CHANGE, UM, AND THAT THEY'RE INTEGRATING THAT SAME DECORATIVE SCREEN AS A PART OF THE FACADE ON A, ON THE MAPLE FRONTAGE, IF YOU WILL. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT'S SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO THIS. 
          YOU HAVE TO BE AT LEAST 40% OPEN SO THAT WE STILL MAINTAIN THE TRANSPARENCY AND THE VISIBILITY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, THAT ALSO MAY RECALL ONE FOLLOW UP COMMENT. 
          STAFF HAS REQUESTED THAT THERE BE AN ENTRY ON BOTH FRONTAGES, WHICH IS COMMON WHEN WE HAVE LARGER ENTRIES, BUT CERTAINLY FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE, UM, IS IT COMMON THAT A BANK ONLY HAS ONE ENTRY DUE TO SECURITY CONCERNS? YES. 
          YOU, YOU MAY SAY YOU, YOU MAY SAY THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AGAIN, I MEAN, COMING TO YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENT, WE'RE NOT SO MUCH DESIGNING FOR AN INDIVIDUAL USE IN THESE 'CAUSE THESE ARE PDS CONDITIONS. 
          THESE ARE BROADLY APPLIED TO GENERAL RETAIL ON THE SITE. 
          UM, SO WE LOOKED AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WOULD MAKE A WELL-DESIGNED, UH, RETAIL SITE. 
          THAT'S THE WAY WE LOOKED AT IT. 
          WE DIDN'T GET TOO MUCH INTO THE DETAIL OF THE APPLICANT'S SPECIFIC DESIGN USE CONNECTION THERE. 
          UM, BUT I SEE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WOULD IT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SPIRIT OF STAFF'S INTENT? IS IF THERE WAS A SHARED COMMON WALKWAY THAT CONNECTED BOTH FRONTAGES TO A SINGLE ENTRY, THAT THAT WOULD MAINTAIN THAT SPIRIT OF PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS BOTH FRONTAGES THAT LEAD YOU TO A COMMON ENTRY POINT THAT THAT'S, THAT'S CLOSER TO ACTIVATING THE MAPLE FRONTAGES. 
          WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. 
          COMMISSIONER FOR, OH, SORRY. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL. 
          COMMISSIONER FORE FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER HALL, PLEASE. 
          UH, MICHAEL, UH, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN, THE SEP SITE PLAN? ABSOLUTELY. 
          WHEN COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, UH, BROUGHT UP THAT THE ACCESS WOULD BE OFF OF MAPLE, I, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, UH, COULD YOU SHOW US WHERE THE DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW'S GONNA BE? IT'S, IT, IT LOOKED TO ME THAT THE DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW WOULD BE LOCATED WHERE YOU'D HAVE TO COME IN OFF OF AMELIA, NOT MAPLE TO GET TO IT. 
          YES. 
          I'LL, I'LL, I'LL SHOW THIS. 
          SO ACTUALLY I UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR DRIVE THROUGH AREA IS OVER HERE. 
          I'M WORKING BACKWARDS IS OVER HERE. 
          THIS IS REQUIRED TO BE AN EXIT ONLY PER THE CONDITIONS. 
          AND THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION OF OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, THAT THIS IS A EXIT ONLY, WHEREAS OUR OTHER ONE ON AMELIA, WHOA, CAN BE A TWO-WAY. 
          UH, IT IS LIMITED IN THE WIDTH THAT IT CAN BE. 
          BUT WE DID RECOMMEND, UH, WITH TRANSPORTATION'S ADVISEMENT THAT THIS IS AN EXIT ONLY, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THIS IS WHERE THEY INTEND THEIR DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW TO BE. 
          AND, AND WHERE IS THE ENTRANCE THOUGH? TO, TO GET IN? IF YOU WANT, IF YOU WANT TO COME INTO THE DRIVE THROUGH, BECAUSE IT AMELIA, I SEE THOSE ARROWS POINTING TO THE EGRESS AND NOT INGRESS. 
          OH NO, I'M SORRY. 
          THERE THERE IS. 
          I SEE NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, YEAH. 
          AMELIA? MM-HMM . 
          COMMISSIONER HALL. 
          OH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          ACTUALLY, COMMISSIONER FORESITE ASKED THE SAME QUESTION. 
          I WAS GONNA ASK WHERE'S, WHERE'S THE DRIVE THROUGH LOCATED? AND, UH, THAT'S BEEN ANSWERED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. 
          GO TO 23. 
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ALRIGHT. 
          THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 23 KZ 2 34 DASH 2 96. 
          IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95 SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF CARVER STREET BETWEEN WAHOO STREET AND SPRING AVENUE. 
          IT'S A PROPOSAL FOR A NEW SUP FOR A COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER. 
          UH, THE REQUEST IS TO ESTABLISH THE COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER ON SITE WITHIN, UH, USING THE EXISTING BUILDING APPROXIMATELY 37,400 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL SIZE. 
          AGAIN, CURRENTLY ZONED, UH, PD 5 9 5 WITH R FIVE A SUBDISTRICT. 
          UM, THE LOT HAS AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT WAS USED AS A CHURCH AS, UH, WELL AS, UH, EXISTING PARKING AND SOME UNDEVELOPED LAND. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A 10 YEAR, UH, PERIOD WITH, UH, ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTO RENEWAL FOR THE SUP. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN ZERO ZONING CASES IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. 
          HERE'S OUR LOCATION MAP. 
          THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE, IT SITS BETWEEN, UH, WAHOO STREET, CARTER STREET AND SPRING AVENUE. 
          HERE'S THE ZONING MAP SHOWING THE SURROUNDING USES AND, UM, EXISTING, UH, ZONING DISTRICTS. 
          SO AGAIN, THE SITE IS PD 5 95, UM, USED AS AN EXISTING CHURCH. 
          SO THE NORTH WE HAVE PD 5 95 WITH MULTIFAMILY, UH, AND DUPLEX USES AS WELL AS, UM, SOME UNDEVELOPED LAND. 
          AND CHURCH TO THE SOUTH IS PD EIGHT 13. 
          UM, JJ KRAFT PARK AND THE REC CENTER, I BELIEVE, UH, TO THE EAST IS ALSO PD 5 95 ON MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY USES AS WELL AS, UH, THE, UH, JULIA C. FRAZIER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND TO THE WEST. 
          AGAIN, PD 5 95 WITH SINGLE FAMILY USE. 
          SO HERE WE HAVE, UH, SITE VISIT PHOTOS. 
          THIS IS ON PROPERTY LOOKING SOUTHWEST. 
          THIS IS ON THE, AT THE INTERSECTION OF SPRING AND CARTER. 
          SO HERE WE'RE LOOKING NORTH, SORRY, SOUTHEAST HERE. 
          WE'RE ON, UH, SPRING AVE, LOOKING NORTHWEST HERE. 
          WE'RE LOOKING SOUTHEAST. 
          THIS IS ON THE CORNER OF, UH, WAHOO AND SPRING LOOKING NORTHEAST. 
          SAME BLOCK LOOKING NORTHEAST. 
          SAME BLOCK, SAME BLOCK. 
          LOOKING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. 
          UH, BACK DOWN TO THE CORNER OF WAHOO AND CARTER. 
          THIS IS ON SITE ON WAHOO STREET, AGAIN ON WAHOO STREET. 
          LOOKING TOWARDS THE SITE, THIS IS ON WALL STREET, LOOKING TO THE ADJACENT USES. 
          THIS IS ON CARTER STREET. 
          UM, LOOKING TO THE EAST AND CARTER STREET. 
          LOOKING TO THE WEST HERE IS THE, UH, APPLICANT'S PROPOSED SITE PLAN. 
          AND THIS IS A QUICK ENLARGEMENT, SO THAT, UH, EXISTING, EXISTING CHURCH WHERE THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT WILL BE USED FOR THE COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER IS IN THE, UH, NORTHEASTERN CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, QUICK ANALYSIS, UH, SO STAFF FINDS THAT THE USE IS APPROPRIATE IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, UM, AS WELL AS THE LAND USE. 
          THERE IS LAND USE COMPATIBILITY. 
          UM, THIS APPLICANT AND THIS PROJECT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SOMEWHAT CREATE A GOLD STANDARD FOR, UH, RETROFIT AND REUSE OF, UH, EXISTING BUILDING. 
          SO STAFF WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME DESIGN STANDARDS, UM, SUSTAINABILITY, GREEN METHODS, AS WELL AS LANDSCAPING, UM, WRITTEN INTO THE SUP CONDITIONS. 
          UM, ANOTHER THING, LANDSCAPING. 
          SO THIS, UH, PROJECT OR THIS CASE WILL HAVE TO ABIDE BY ARTICLE 10, AS WELL AS, UH, THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL BUFFER ZONE AND STREET BUFFER ZONE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE, UH, THAT THE PROJECT HAS TO MEET AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          QUESTIONS MR. RE, UM, I KNOW THAT THIS APPLICANT IS APPLYING FOR A NEW SUP, BUT ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT IS ALREADY BEING, UM, UH, IS HAD THE COMMUNITY CENTER WITH A PARTNERSHIP WITH GIFD AT THE 
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SCHOOL DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM ME, UH, FRAZIER, FORMER FRAZIER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL? I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT. 
          UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE REASON THAT THEY ARE, THAT THEY, UM, PURCHASED THIS SITE WAS BECAUSE, UH, THAT THEY ARE RESTRICTED FROM, UM, CERTAIN TIMES OF USE, UM, IN THE PARTNERSHIP WITH, UH, DISP BECAUSE OF THE TIMEFRAMES THAT DISP CAN BE OPEN AND THAT THEY WILL BE USING THIS AS AN EXTENSION OF WHAT THEY ARE ALREADY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH? DIPI WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT. 
          UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT, UM, THIS, UH, PARTICULAR AFTER 10 HAS UH, CREATED, UM, JOB OPPORTUNITIES, UM, UM, TRAINING FOR ADULTS AS WELL AS YOUNG, UH, YOUTH? YES, I WAS AWARE OF THAT. 
          AND THAT THIS, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY HAS NOT HAD DEVELOP, HAS THIS PARTICULAR CHURCH HAS NOT BEEN IN USE FOR SOME 30 YEARS? YES. 
          UM, THAT IT IS ALSO AN ENHANCEMENT TO THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS PREVIOUSLY RESTRICT ONE STREET OVER, HAS HAD A HIGH CRIME RATE FOR WELL OVER 10 YEARS. 
          YES, I'M AWARE OF THAT. 
          UM, UM, IS THERE A CONSIDERATION FOR A LONGER PERIOD BECAUSE SINCE THAT THEY ARE ALREADY IN OPERATION, UH, WITHIN THE DIFD BUILDING, UM, AND THERE THEY, UH, POSSIBILITY THAT THEY WILL, THE DIFD BUILDING MIGHT BECOME FOR SALE SOON? UM, THE LAST PART WAS NOT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS IT'S NOT A PART OF THE, UM, EVALUATION OF THE ZONING. 
          HOWEVER, IN, UH, RESPONSE TO THE, THE LONGER TIME PERIOD FOR THE SUP UH, STAFF WAS RECOMMENDING 10 YEAR NO AUTO RENEWAL BECAUSE IT WILL BASICALLY HOLD THE APPLICANT TO A CERTAIN STANDARD, HAVE THEM COME BACK AND HAVE THE CASE REEVALUATED TO SEE IF THEY HAVE UPHELD, UH, SOME OF THE STANDARDS, SOME OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT THEY WOULD, UH, TO BE REQUIRED TO IMPLEMENT. 
          UM, SO ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE COMM THIS PROJECT, THIS APPLICANT AND THIS COMMUNITY CENTER IS, IS NOT, IT IS A NEW FOR THE SITE, BUT IT IS NOT NEW FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY IS HEAVILY INVOLVED WITH, UM, THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OF THIS APPLICANT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO A AUTOMATIC RENEWAL? ARE YOU ASKING IF STAFF WE WOULD BE OPPOSED? WAS DID STAFF KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO AUTOMATIC RENEWAL? BECAUSE IT SAID, BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY EVEN THOUGH IT'S A NEW SITE, IT IS NOT A NEW, UM, COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          I MEAN IT'S NOT A COMMUNITY BUSINESS FOR COMMUNITY, YEAH. 
          STAFF WAS NOT AWARE OF THE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT IN TERMS OF, UM, WHAT, WHAT YOU JUST PRESENTED. 
          HOWEVER, AGAIN, UM, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE 10 YEAR NO AUTO RENEWAL SO THAT THEY WOULD'VE TO COME BACK SO THAT THE CASE CAN BE EVALUATED AGAIN TO AGAIN KEEP THEM TO, TO HELD TO THOSE STANDARDS FOR DESIGN AND LANDSCAPING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          MR. CLINTON, WOULD YOU GO BACK TO THE PAGE WHERE YOU WERE, UM, STATING THAT STAFF WAS LOOKING FOR? YES. 
          HERE, UM, APPLICANT HAS OPPORTUNITY TO DO A GOLD STANDARD RETROFIT DESIGN STANDARD SUSTAINABILITY LANDSCAPING COULD BE WRITTEN INTO SUP CONDITIONS. 
          I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THE SUP CONDITIONS. 
          SO, UH, VARIOUS STAFF STANDING ON THAT. 
          THE STAFF DIDN'T, I DON'T SEE BOXES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          WERE THERE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT? YES. 
          SO UNDER THE, UM, LANDSCAPING CONDITIONS FOR THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS, UH, STAFF HAS A BOX THAT, UM, THERE WILL BE A REQUIREMENT FOR THE STREET BUFFER ZONE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT THE STREET BUFFER ZONE HAS TO PLANT A LA ONE LARGE TREE PER 40 FEET. 
          UM, BUT GIVEN THE EXAMINATION OF THE SITE, THE OVERHEAD POWER LINES IN THE UNDER UH, GROUND UTILITIES DO NOT ALLOW FOR THAT. 
          SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THEY DO TWO SMALL TREES IN LIEU OF THE ONE SMALL TREE OF REQUIREMENT TO STILL MEET THAT, UH, STREET BUFFER ZONE REQUIREMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          I SEE THAT FOR THE LANDSCAPING, BUT AS FAR I DON'T SEE DESIGN STANDARDS OR ANYTHING ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY GREEN METHODS. 
          WHAT WERE THE, UM, STAFF'S THOUGHTS THERE OR RECOMMENDATIONS THERE? UH, SO WE WEREN'T ABLE TO PUT TOO MANY INTO THE, UM, THE SUP CONDITIONS, HOWEVER, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO DISCUSS WITH THE APPLICANT TO HAVE THEM BASICALLY CONSIDER IT, UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, GREEN, UH, GREEN REUSE, UH, SUSTAINABILITY BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO BE USING AN EXISTING BUILDING. 
          UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, SOLAR PANELS, UM, UM, HEATING AND COOLING, UPDATED HEATING AND COOLING SYSTEMS, UM, REUSE OF, 
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UH, THE NATURAL MATERIAL, UM, THAT IS ALREADY ON SITE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ARE THESE STANDARDS THAT THE STAFF IS LOOKING AT GOING FORWARD? ANYTIME WE'RE DOING AN ADAPTIVE REUSE OF A BUILDING, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, JUST GENERAL QUESTION, DO WE KNOW WHAT KINDS OF, I MEAN, COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER IS A FAIRLY BROAD CATEGORY. 
          DO WE KNOW WHAT THE PROGRAMMING INTENTIONS ARE HERE? I THINK THAT'S BEST SUITED FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER RIVERS, FOR WHAT I'M ASKING, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE PROGRAMMING THAT IS DURING BOTH FOR, UM, ADULT EDUCATION, UM, UH, ECONOMICAL FOR BUSINESSES, SMALL BUSINESSES TO HAVE A PLACE FOR TO, FOR, TO LEARN MORE ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, HOW TO, UH, OBTAIN LOANS AND GRANTS FOR THEIR BUSINESSES, EDUCATION FOR TEENAGERS WHO MIGHT NOT BE GOING TO COLLEGE, UM, TO GO TRADES IN, UM, IN ENTREPRENEURSHIP. 
          SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PROGRAMMING IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ADULT SERVICES AND FINANCIAL LITERACY. 
          I'M AWARE OF THAT NOW. 
          I ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? OKAY. 
          I KNOW WE WE'RE LONG ON A BREAK, BUT LET'S GO AHEAD AND JUST DO THAT ONE LAST CASE AND, AND WE CAN TAKE OUR LUNCH BREAK. 
          COMMISSIONER NUMBER 30 24? WE DO, WE DO, WE DO WANT IT READ, I BELIEVE. 
          COMMISSIONER HANEN, WE SHOULD HERE YES, I'M HERE. 
          OH, THERE WE GO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN YOU SEE MY SCREEN? YES, WE DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. 
          THIS IS DR. 
          RHONDA DUNN AND MY COLLEAGUE MIKE FLOWERS. 
          WE'RE PRESENTING ZONING CASE Z 1 8 9 1 61 RV. 
          OUR REQUEST IS FOR A HISTORIC OVERLAY FOR BIANCHI HOUSE. 
          THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 45 0 3 ER AVENUE ON PROPERTY, CURRENTLY ZONED AS P 98, LIMITED TO RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          THE AREA OF REQUEST IS ROUGHLY HALF AN ACRE, A 0.5821 ACRES. 
          AGAIN, THE LOCATION IS CITED AT THE INTERSECTION OF RIEGER AVENUE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF IT AND NORTH CAROL AVENUE TO THE EASTMANS. 
          THE LANDMARK COMMISSION INITIATED THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY ON DECEMBER 5TH, 2016. 
          UH, THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE APPROVED THE DESIGNATION REPORT ON DECEMBER 19TH, 2018, SUBJECT TO THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA, THE LANDMARK COMMISSION AUTHORIZED THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS PROPERTY BACK IN JANUARY OF 2019. 
          IN TERMS OF WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN RELATIONSHIP TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, IT'S ROUGHLY TWO MILES NORTHEAST OF CITY HALL NEAR THE PEAK SUBURBAN ADDITION. 
          WITH RESPECT TO THE, UM, AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE, YOU SEE THAT IT IS POPULATED WITH TREES IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, AND AGAIN, IT'S AT THE CORNER OF RIGGER AND NORTH CARROLL AVENUE. 
          WITH RESPECT TO ZONING AND LAND USE, IT'S IN PD 98, WHICH IS LIMITED TO RESIDENTIAL USES UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED. 
          THE BASIS FOR THAT PD IS R DASH 7.5 SUBDIVISION. 
          A RESIDENTIAL, THE MINIMUM FRONT YARD SETBACK IS 25 FEET. 
          IN TERMS OF, UM, ADJACENT LAND USES WHERE THE CURRENT BUILDING IS RESIDENTIAL AND THE PROPERTY OWNER INTENDS TO USE IT AS SUCH, THE HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION WILL NOT CHANGE THE LAND USE. 
          IN TERMS OF LOOKING, WHAT IS THAT NORTHEAST, NORTHEAST OF THE SITE, IT'S A PD 98 RESIDENTIAL IN TERMS OF NEARBY LAND USE OR ADJACENT LAND USE. 
          THEN ACROSS CARROLL AVENUE, IT'S SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL R DASH 7.5 A. 
          ALSO NEARBY IS COMMERCIAL CS OR LOWRISE COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS SOUTH OF THE SITE. 
          AND THEN SOUTHEAST OF THE SOUTH, SOUTHEAST OF THE SITE RATHER IS LOWRISE RESIDENTIAL, WELL RETAIL, OUR OWN MULTIFAMILY. 
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THIS, IN THIS CASE, TWO STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX IS NEARBY SOUTHEAST OF THE SITE. 
          IN TERMS OF THE BACKGROUND ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, THE DATE OF CONSTRUCTION WAS ROUGHLY OVER A YEAR, OR IT TOOK OVER A YEAR TO BUILD IT FROM 1911 TO 1912. 
          THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE FOR THIS PROPERTY IS 1910S UNTIL 1979. 
          1979 WAS THE, UH, WAS WHEN THE WIDOW OF THE ORIGINAL COUPLE PASSED AWAY AND THE HOUSE WAS NO LONGER ASSOCIATED WITH THE FAMILY AS OF 1979. 
          THE STYLE OF THE HOUSE IS SPANISH MISSION REVIVAL. 
          THE ARCHITECTS ARE LANG AND WITCHEL, WHICH HAVE BUILT MANY OF THE PROMINENT PROPERTIES HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. 
          THE ORIGINAL OWNERS WERE DECO AND IDA BIANCHI. 
          THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOME IS ROUGHLY RECTANGULAR. 
          IT'S CONSTRUCTION IS MASONRY AS OPPOSED TO MOST RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, WHICH ARE WOOD FRAMED. 
          UH, THE FOUNDATION IS P BEAM. 
          THE EXTERIOR WALLS A BRICK. 
          THE ROOFING IS ACROSS GABLE ROOF, AND IT ALSO HAS FRENCH STYLE CLAY TILES IN THE COLOR GREEN. 
          AND IT'S ONE STORY. 
          YOU SEE THE PICTURE OF THE PROPERTY TO THE LEFT. 
          THIS PROPERTY WAS ALSO INCLUDED IN AN EXHIBIT IN THE 1936 TEXAS CENTENNIAL AT FAIR PARK AS A HOUSE OF THE FUTURE BECAUSE OF THE BUILDING TECHNOLOGY USED. 
          IT'S ALSO CURRENTLY LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER AS OF 1995. 
          AND AGAIN, WITH RESPECT TO HISTORIC CONTEXT, THIS IS A SANBORN MAP OF THE PROPERTY HERE IN RED. 
          IT'S JUST SOUTH OF THE PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION OR PART OF THE PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT'S NOT A PART OF THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          IT'S PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION WAS THE EARLIEST AREA DEVELOPED EAST OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT OR DOWNTOWN DALLAS. 
          IT'S HAD SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAVES OF DEVELOPMENT, STARTING WITH VICTORIAN HOUSES, FOLLOWED BY TWO STORY FRAME, FOUR SQUARE OF PERRY PRAIRIE STYLE HOMES, THEN BRICK MANSIONS, AND THEN FINALLY SMALLER COTTAGES AND BUNGALOWS. 
          THE BIANCHI HOUSE, WHICH IS A RARE MISSION REVIVAL EXAMPLE, IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE FINAL PHASES, WHICH ARE THE SMALLER COTTAGE BUNGALOW STYLE HOUSES. 
          DECO BIANCHI. 
          UH, BASICALLY HE LIVED FROM 1877 TO 1914. 
          HE AND HIS FAMILY IMMIGRATED FROM ITALY WHEN HE WAS ROUGHLY FOUR YEARS OLD. 
          THEY FIRST SETTLED IN NEW YORK AND LATER MOVED TO DALLAS. 
          IN 1903, HE AND HIS BROTHER GUANO FORMED THE SOUTHERN ARCHITECTURAL SIEMENS STONE COMPANY. 
          TO THE RIGHT OF YOUR SCREEN, YOU SEE AN ADVERTISEMENT FROM THEIR COMPANY. 
          UH, BASICALLY THEY SOLD TILE AND OTHER ARCHITECTURAL TRIM AND DETAILS AS WELL AS FLOORING. 
          WHAT THEIR COMPANY WAS KNOWN FOR IS A CAST STONE PRODUCT CALLED A CEMENT STONE, WHICH THEY USED AROUND ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND WE'LL SEE THAT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          BUT, UH, BASICALLY WHAT MADE THEIR CAST STONE SPECIAL WAS THEY USED A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF MARBLE. 
          SO IT MADE THEIR CAST STONE SMOOTH WITH A NICE SHEET. 
          THE DESIGNERS OF THE HOUSE, LANG AND WITCHEL, THEY HAD A BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP WITH DECO AND HIS BROTHER. 
          SO THAT'S PROBABLY HOW THAT AGREEMENT CAME TO BE FOR THEM TO DESIGN A HOME FOR THEM, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE SMALLER PROPERTIES THAT LANG AND WIEL DESIGNED. 
          THEY WERE IN BUSINESS FROM 1905 TO 1942. 
          BASICALLY, WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THEIR PROPERTIES. 
          DOWNTOWN CROSHA TECH HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH YOU SEE TO THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER HERE. 
          UH, THIS IS THE HOTEL INDIGO, WHICH IS THE FIRST HILTON HOTEL. 
          THEN THE SANGER BROTHERS DEPARTMENT STORE IS HERE TO YOUR LOWER LEFT. 
          AND THEN THE JAMES FANNING ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, ALSO LAYING IN WOODELL ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DALLAS POWER LIGHT BUILDING DOWNTOWN, AS WELL AS THE LONE STAR GAS BUILDINGS AND MANY MORE BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN, UH, OLDER BUILDINGS THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR AND MANY OF THEIR BUILDINGS ARE ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER. 
          THE 
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PROPERTY TODAY, UNFORTUNATELY IT EXPERIENCED A MAJOR FIRE IN 2013 THAT STARTED IN THE ATTIC AND IT'S STILL UNDER RESTORATION AND REHABILITATION TODAY. 
          SO IT DOES HAVE THIS CON CONSTRUCTION FENCING YOU SEE IN THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT AROUND IT STILL, HOWEVER, THE BUILDING DOES HAVE A HIGH DEGREE OF ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY AND WE CAN SEE THAT FROM THE ORIGINAL LAYING AND BUTCHER DRAWINGS. 
          ON THE LEFT OF YOUR SCREEN, YOU SEE THAT IT HAS THE PARAPET ROOF, THE MISSION STYLE PARAPET ROOF, THE UH, GRAY, NOT GRAY, GREEN TOWER ROOFING, AND THE, UH, CASTSTONE PORCH RAILS AND COLUMNS. 
          THIS IS A LITTLE CLOSER UP VIEW OF THE HOUSE AS IT STANDS TODAY. 
          THE FRONT ELEVATION IN THE LEFT ELEVATION, WHICH FACES NORTH CARROLL AVENUE ON THE CORNER, AND THEN THIS IS ALSO A CORNER VIEW. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, BOTTOM HALF OF THE HOUSE IS HIDDEN BY A WOOD BOARD ON BOARD FENCE THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE TO THE LEFT DONE BY LANG AND WITCHEL ORIGINALLY, THAT THAT CAST STONE PRODUCT CREATED BY DECO AND HIS BROTHER ANO. 
          THOSE ARE CARRIED THROUGHOUT THE LEFT AND RIGHT SIDES OF THE HOUSE BELOW THE WINDOWS. 
          SO THE SKIRTING OF THE HOUSE IS CASTSTONE. 
          THIS IS A CLOSEUP OF THE FRONT AND THIS IS THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          NOW THE PROPERTY ACTUALLY IS CITED ON TWO LOTS. 
          THE HOUSE ITSELF IS ON THE LEFT OF THE LEFTMOST LOT, AND THE RIGHT LOT IS NOT BEING DESIGNATED. 
          THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THE HOMEOWNER OR THE PROPERTY OWNER TO DECIDE HOW TO DEVELOP IT IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND THAT BRINGS US TO THE CURRENT ORDINANCE EXHIBIT MAP FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          AS WE CAN SEE, EVERYTHING IN HASH OR WELL, YEAH, IN HASH HERE IS A NO BILL ZONES. 
          AND WE SEE THAT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, THE LEFT ELEVATION AND THE RIGHT ELEVATION ARE PRO PROTECTED. 
          AND, UH, WE EXPECT THAT TO BE MAINTAINED AND PRESERVED. 
          HOWEVER, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS AVAILABLE OR IS ALLOWED TO BUILD IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AND CAN ADD AN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING HOME. 
          WITH RESPECT TO ELIGIBILITY, UH, PROPERTY ONLY NEEDS TO MEET THREE OF THE 10 IN ORDER TO BE CONSIDERED ELIGIBLE. 
          THIS PROPERTY MEETS FIVE OF THE DESIGNATION CRITERIA, WHICH ARE LISTED IN THE CITY ORDINANCE. 
          IT MEETS HERITAGE HISTORY AND CULTURE, UH, ARCHITECTURE. 
          THE ARCHITECT AND THE MASTER BUILDER, LANG AND  ARE DEFINITELY PROMINENT HERE. 
          IT ALSO HAS NATIONAL REGISTER RECOGNITION AND IT IS A PART OF OUR AREA'S HISTORIC EDUCATION. 
          STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO PRESERVATION CRITERIA. 
          LANDMARK COMMISSION RESERVA RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO PRESERVATION CRITERIA CRITERIA WITH THE PROPOSED EDIT. 
          THE EDIT HAS BEEN MADE. 
          BASICALLY THE REQUEST OR THE EDIT REQUESTED WAS THAT ANY VERTICAL ADDITION BE NO MORE THAN FIVE AND A HALF FEET ABOVE THE APEX OF THE ROOF AS OPPOSED TO SIX, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY LISTED. 
          SO THAT CHANGE HAS BEEN MADE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DR. 
          DONNER. 
          WE DO HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          AND THANK YOU DR. DUNN FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          UM, I KNOW A NUMBER OF THE COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE NOTED THE, UM, DATES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS CASE. 
          WE HELD IT AT OUR LAST MEETING. 
          WAS THAT, UM, ALLOWING FOR CONFIRMATION THAT BETWEEN LANDMARK ACTION ON THE CASE IN 2019 AND TODAY, THAT THERE WERE NO CHANGES TO THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD HAVE COMPROMISED? ITS HIS HISTORIC DESIGNATION? PARTIALLY YES, BUT BEFORE WE BROUGHT IT BEFORE THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION IN NOVEMBER, WE DID ACTUALLY DO A SITE EVALUATION. 
          STAFF DID, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE IN KEEPING WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA AS WRITTEN. 
          SO, UM, AND AGAIN, SO IT'S BEEN HEARD THROUGH THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE, IT WAS ACTED ON BY LANDMARK, UM, STAFF AS SUBSEQUENTLY FOLLOWED UP. 
          AND THAT WORK WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, CRITERIA THAT THIS BODY IS NOW CONSIDERING. 
          SO PENDING ACTION BY THIS BODY, THEN IT MOVES ON TO CITY COUNCIL AND THAT'S WHAT, UM, WILL BE THE FINAL DETERMINATION ON THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? 
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THAT IS CORRECT. 
          AND IS PART OF THE REASON WHY IT'S BACK BEFORE US TODAY IS THAT THE, UM, PROPERTY OWNER, UM, WAS OPERATING UNDER THE, UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT BY CLEARING LANDMARK COMMISSION THEY WERE ALREADY DESIGNATED AND THAT THEY ARE PURSUING THEIR HISTORIC TAX CREDITS RELATED TO THE PROPERTY? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND I KNOW FROM OUR INITIAL, UM, POSTING OF THE DOCKET TO TODAY, THE SITE EXHIBIT HAD A GRAPHICAL CLARIFICATION AND IT'S NOW, UM, BEING CLEANED UP JUST TO HAVE THE TEXT AND THE, UM, CONNOTATIONS WITHIN THE EXHIBIT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU DR. DUNN. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? UH, OKAY THEN, UH, THAT CONCLUDES THE BRIEFING. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, JUST A NOTE ON THE, UH, PLAS CASE NUMBER 30 HAS COME UP, CONSENT, AND WE WILL BE BRIEFING CASE NUMBER 35. 
          UH, BUT IT STAYS ON CONSENT FOR THE MOMENT, OKAY? AND WE WILL PUSH OUR TWO BRIEFINGS FOR A FUTURE DATE TO BE DETERMINED, UH, IS EXACTLY 12 O'CLOCK. 
          COMMISSIONERS, ENJOY YOUR LUNCH. 
          IT'S, IT'S DOWNSTAIRS AND WE ARE GONNA, UH, BE AT THE HORSESHOE SO WE CAN MOVE DOWN THERE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          CAN YOU PLEASE TURN US OFF AT THE ROLL CALL? 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SCHOCK. 
          HERE, DISTRICT TWO. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. 
          PRESENT DISTRICT THREE. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT. 
          HE'S IN THE BACK. 
          MM-HMM . 
          DISTRICT FOUR. 
          COMMISSIONER FORSYTH? HERE. 
          DISTRICT FIVE, CHAIR SHAD. 
          HERE. 
          DISTRICT SIX. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          PRESENT? DISTRICT SEVEN. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER REAGAN. 
          HERE. 
          DISTRICT EIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR? HERE. 
          DISTRICT NINE. 
          COMMISSIONER SLEEPER. 
          DISTRICT 10. 
          COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. 
          HERE. 
          DISTRICT 11, VACANT. 
          DISTRICT 12. 
          COMMISSIONER HAWK DISTRICT 13. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL. 
          HE'S ONLINE. 
          JUST DIDN'T HEAR US. 
          DISTRICT 14, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON HERE AND PLACE 15 VICE CHAIR RUBIN HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU HAVE QUORUM, SIR. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 
          WELCOME TO THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. 
          TODAY IS THURSDAY, DECEMBER 5TH, 2020 4, 12 48. 
          A COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED. 
          OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES, UH, EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. 
          I WILL PLEASE ASK ALL SPEAKERS TO BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          IN CASES WHERE WE HAVE OPPOSITION PER OUR RULES, THE APPLICANT WILL GET A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL. 
          OUR ALSO OUR RULES ALSO ALLOW US TO ADJUST THE SPEAKER GUIDELINES, UM, IN RESPONSE TO THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS. 
          IF WE DO HAVE, UH, LARGE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS ON ONE ITEM, WE TEND TO REDUCE THE, THE SPEAKER TIME TO ONE MINUTE. 
          UM, ALSO THIS IS A HYBRID MEETING. 
          WE WILL HAVE SOME SPEAKERS ONLINE THAT HAVE PRE-REGISTERED. 
          I WILL ASK OUR FOLKS ONLINE TO PLEASE HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON AND WORKING. 
          UH, WE CAN'T HEAR FROM YOU IF WE CAN'T SEE YOU. 
          AND WITH THAT, UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU HERE AT THE CHAMBER, WE HAVE THESE LITTLE YELLOW CARDS DOWN HERE AT THE TABLE AT THE BOTTOM TO YOUR RIGHT. 
          WE'D LOVE TO HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR VISIT WITH US AT SOME POINT TODAY. 
          PLEASE TAKE, UH, JUST A MINUTE TO FILL ONE OF THESE OUT AND JUST YOU CAN LIVE IT THERE AT THE TABLE. 
          AND WITH THAT COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA JUMP RIGHT 
          [3. 24-3725  An application for a minor amendment to the existing development plan and landscape plan on property zoned Planned Development District No. 695, on the southeast corner of Coit Road and Frankford Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Redwood-ERC Dallas, LLC Representative: Andrew Ruegg, Masterplan Planner: Tasfia Zahin Council District: 12 M234-037(TZ) ]
INTO THE AGENDA, BEGINNING WITH ITEM NUMBER TWO, TWO, PARDON ME? THREE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THIS IS ITEM NUMBER THREE, CASE M 2 34 DASH THREE SEVEN. 
          THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. 
          DISTRICT NUMBER 6 95 ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF COY ROAD AND FRANKFORD ROAD. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. 
          SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          ANDREW REIG, 2201 MAIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS, UH, HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT FOR THIS MINOR AMENDMENT REQUEST. 
          UM, YOU MAY HAVE RECOGNIZED THIS SITE FROM SUBSEQUENT MINOR AMENDMENTS. 
          THIS IS A PHASE DEVELOPMENT FOR HIGHLAND SPRINGS, UH, RETIREMENT CENTER IN FAR NORTH DALLAS. 
          UM, WE'RE REALLY JUST, UH, MOVING SOME ITEMS AROUND TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEXT PHASE RELATED TO, UM, THE, UH, SENIOR CARE CENTER. 
          UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION IF THERE'S ANY MORE DETAIL WE NEED TO GET INTO. 
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UH, APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          BEFORE WE GET TO QUESTIONS, THANK YOU FOR SENDING YOUR PRESENTATION AHEAD OF TIME. 
          IT'S VERY HELPFUL. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM COMMISSIONERS AND LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER HALL IS ONLINE COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. 
          SEEING NONE. 
          COMMISSIONER HOCK, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO IN THE MATTER OF CASE M 2 3 4 0 3 7. 
          I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW SAS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO, UM, THE DETAILS IN THE SITE PLAN. 
          SITE PLAN. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAWK FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          A. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THESE AND GENTLEMEN WILL 
          [Zoning Cases - Consent]
NOW MOVE TO OUR ZONING CASES ARE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS CONSISTING OF CASES FOUR THROUGH 13 AT THIS MOMENT, CASES 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, AND 10 HAVE COME OFF CONSENT AND WILL BE VOTED ON AND DISPOSED OF INDIVIDUALLY. 
          IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THE OTHER CASES ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM? WE'LL PULL IT OFF, CONSENT AND, UH, TAKE IT UP INDIVIDUALLY. 
          SO CASES 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, AND 10 HAVE ALREADY COME OFF CONSENT. 
          THE REST OF THE CASES, UH, LEFT OVER FROM FIVE THROUGH 13 WILL BE VOTED ON AND DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION, UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE CASES, ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON ANY OF THOSE CASES. 
          OKAY, SO THAT IS GONNA BE 5, 11, 12, AND 13. 
          MM-HMM . 
          PLEASE. 
          THIS IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 1 77 AND APPLICATION FOR ONE AND MF TWO MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT AND TWO, DETERMINATION OF D RESTRICTIONS Z 9 56 DASH 3 28 ON PROPERTY ZONED A RESIDENTIAL, UH, SUB, UH, SORRY, ZONED AR 75. 
          A RESIDENTIAL SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 6 31, THE WEST DAVIS SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF WEST DAVIS STREET BETWEEN NORTH WHITE AVENUE AND CHALK HILL ROAD STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF AN MF TWO, A DISTRICT, AND TWO APPROVAL OF THE TERMINATION OF DEED RESTRICTIONS Z 9 56 DASH 3 28 AS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 11, KZ 2 34 DASH 2 93. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2 4 4 1 FOR A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE IN OR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE ON PROPERTY ZONE. 
          AND OA D ONE NEIGHBORHOOD O OFFICE DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE SOUTH LINE OF BRUTON ROAD EAST OF PLEASANT DRIVE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED SITE PLAN AND AMENDED CONDITIONS. 
          ITEM NUMBER 12, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 3 0 1. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A TOWER ANTENNA FOR CELL CELLULAR COMMUNICATION LIMITED TO A MONOPOLE CELL CELLULAR TOWER ON PROPERTY ZONE IN AA AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF WEST EAST BOULEVARD, EAST OF MOUNTAIN CREEK PARKWAY. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL 10 YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. 
          ITEM NUMBER 13, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 3 0 5. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1 5 5 4 FOR A CELLULAR COMMUNICATION TOWER TENANT ON PROPERTY ZONE CR, COMMUNITY, RETAIL AND DISTRICT WITH A D LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF EL ALO ROAD BETWEEN SOUTHGATE LANE AND SUNBURST DRIVE. 
          STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE-YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON CASES 5, 11, 12 AND 13? 
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SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER TURNER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE CON APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS 5, 11, 12, AND 13 SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER SCHOCK FOR YOUR MOTION AND, UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSIONS? NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          A OPPOSED? AYE. 
          AYES HAVE IT. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS WILL NOW GO BACK TO CASES 
          [Items 4, 6 &  7]
FOUR, SIX, AND SEVEN. 
          WE, UH, UH, THOSE WILL BE HEARD TOGETHER. 
          WE, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          WE CAN HEAR THESE THREE CASES TOGETHER. 
          AND, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT? YOUR MOTION COULD BE ALL THREE TOGETHER. 
          UH, TWO, ONE, WHICH YOU HAVE FLEXIBILITY THERE. 
          I, I WOULD NOTE, UM, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE GONNA HEAR THE CASES RIGHT NOW, I DON'T SEE, UM, THE, UH, THE APPLICANT HERE IN THE AUDIENCE, UH, UH, NOR, UH, ANY OF THE FOLKS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO I'M WONDERING IF WE COULD POSSIBLY MOVE THIS TILL AFTER THE CASE IS UNDER ADVISEMENT. 
          WE CAN THESE THREE CASES HERE, ABSOLUTELY WE CAN AFTER THAT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          IS THAT POSSIBLE? OF COURSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PLEASE TABLE IT FOR THE MOMENT THEN IN CONSIDERATION AND WE'LL COME BACK TO THOSE. 
          SO THAT MEANS 
          [8.  24-3730 An application for a CR Community Retail District on property zoned an R-10(A) Single Family District, on the north corner of South Belt Line Road and West Lawson Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Sam Abusalem, Sukasa Realty LLC Planner: Wilson Kerr Council District: 8 Z234-269(WK)]
WE GO TO CASE NUMBER EIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, THIS, UH, CASE NUMBER EIGHT IS C 2 3 4 2 6 9. 
          IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTH CORNER OF SOUTH BELTLINE ROAD AND WEST LAWSON ROAD. 
          UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, THIS IS CASE NUMBER EIGHT Z 2 3 4 2 69. 
          UH, IS THE APPLICANT HERE WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS BEFORE WE GO TO OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE? IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT'S JOINING ONLINE. 
          OKAY. 
          OPPOSITION. 
          YOU'RE THE APPLICANT, SIR? HE'S IN OPPOSITION. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THEN LET'S GO TO, I THINK THE APPLICANT IS ONLINE. 
          IS IT MR. ABU? IS HE ONLINE? GEORGE. 
          OKAY, MR. MRAM, CAN YOU HEAR US, SIR? HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN BE GREAT. 
          WE, WE, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU YET THOUGH. 
          PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR, YOUR CAMERA IS ON. 
          YOU CAN'T, SORRY, WE CAN'T SEE YOU AND DOING MY BEST. 
          ONE SECOND, PLEASE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I DO APOLOGIZE THAT I, I'M HAVING A TOUGH TIME TURNING MY CAMERA ON. 
          UH, I DO HAVE MY ENGINEER AS WELL ON THE LINE AS WELL AS THE OTHER INVESTOR, BUT, UH, WE TEAM, WE WE'RE HAVING SOME TECHNICALITY HERE. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          LET, LET ME, UH, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU IF YOU CAN KEEP TRYING TO TOGGLE ON YOUR CAMERA ON AND OFF. 
          PERFECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, LET'S GO TO MR. ABULE. 
          THAT WAS MR. HOW ABOUT MR. WAN? THAT WAS, UH, YEAH, I, SUAN SU YES, THIS IS SAME OR WAN 
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IF, IF YOU, UH, ARE NOT ALL ON THE SAME SYSTEM, MAYBE ONE OR TWO OF YOU CAN TRY LOGGING OFF AND, AND BACK ON VERY QUICKLY. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, IS I THINK I SEE ONE OF YOU GUYS. 
          YEAH. 
          CAN I, CAN I SPEAK, UH, IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT, PLEASE? YES, SIR. 
          WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          PLEASE GO AHEAD. 
          UH, CAN YOU SEE ME? WE CAN SEE YOU, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MY NAME IS AHMED ALMAN AND I, I HAVE ALREADY WORKED ON THIS PROJECT AND AS WELL AS SUBMITTED THE, UH, PROJECT SO I CAN EXPLAIN THIS PROJECT, UH, UH, FROM THE BEGINNING. 
          SO I HAVE ALREADY SUBMITTED THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, UH, THREE PAGES. 
          UH, WOULD YOU PLEASE, UH, BRING THAT ONE IN SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN SEE HOW WHILE I WAS, I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          PLEASE JUST PAUSE ONE SECOND THEN WHILE WE GET THAT, THAT POWERED UP. 
          SURE. 
          YOU HAVE, I JUST FORWARD THAT TO GEORGE, BUT I CAN ALSO BRING THAT UP IF NEEDED. 
          MR. KERR, DID, YOU JUST SAID THAT YOU HAD THE POWERPOINT? UH, YES. 
          PERFECT. 
          CAN YOU SHARE IT WITH GEORGE? YOU, I I JUST FORWARDED IT TO GEORGE? YES. 
          OKAY, NOW IT'S READY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          MY NAME IS AHMED HILMAN. 
          MY ADDRESS IS 5 4 5 COVENTRY DRIVE, GRAPEVINE, TEXAS 7 6 0 5 1. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THIS PARTICULAR LAND IS ONLY 3.2 ACRE. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE OUTLINE OF THE AREA BEND LINE ON THE, UH, DOWNSIDE, WHICH IS SOUTHWEST SIDE. 
          AND, UH, THERE IS ANOTHER ROAD ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. 
          UH, SO WE HAVE UTILIZED BOTH THE ACCESS AND, UH, I MEAN EXITING, UH, WAYS TO MANAGE THE ENTIRE SITE TOO WITH A, A GOOD TRAFFIC FLOW. 
          UH, NEXT ONE IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER SLIDE, SO IF YOU CAN JUST MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, NOT THE THIRD ONE. 
          THE SECOND ONE? YES. 
          SO THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT LARGER SCALE TO EXPLAIN YOU BETTER. 
          I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE, UH, BETTER. 
          UH, WE FORWARD, UH, UH, SETBACK RULES. 
          THERE IS A LINE ALL AROUND. 
          YOU CAN SEE THESE LINES ARE ACTUALLY VERY FAINT. 
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UH, THAT IS THE BUILDING LINE, UH, WHICH IS THE SETBACK RULES. 
          THEN IN THE FRONT SIDE, WHICH IS IN THE BOTTOM TINY BUILDING THAT IS ACTUALLY, UH, THERE WILL BE A GAS STATION AND A RESTAURANT OVER THERE. 
          THERE'S A DRIVEWAY BACK AROUND ON THE LEFT SIDE AS WELL. 
          UH, THE LONG BUILDING BACKSIDE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY COMPLETELY RETAIL BUILDING THERE. 
          SO, UH, IF YOU CAN SEE, UH, THERE ARE SOME EV STATIONS ALONG THE BELT LINE IN BETWEEN THE TWO, UH, EXITING WAYS OR ENTRY OR EXIT BOTH WAYS. 
          THESE ARE THE, UH, 10 EV STATIONS FOR ELECTRICAL VEHICLE PURPOSES. 
          UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE ALREADY APPROACHED THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO FIND OUT THROUGH THE TRAFFIC, UH, VOLUME. 
          UH, AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, BOTTOM CHART. 
          THAT ONE IS A TR TRIP GENERATION SUMMARY, UH, WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM THEM. 
          SO, WHICH IS WEEKLY 4,449, UH, UH, VEHICLES, UH, COMING OVER THERE AND THEN INDIVIDUALLY, AM AND PM PICK OUR, UH, UH, I MEAN THE TRAFFIC SITUATION YOU CAN SEE THERE AS WELL. 
          THIS PROJECT IS, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE 3.2 ACRE LAND AND THE BUILDING FLOOR AREA IS 20,609 SQUARE FEET ALL TOGETHER WITH THIS TWO BUILDINGS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THEN COVER AREA. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR, THAT THAT'S YOUR, YOUR TIME. 
          UH, PLEASE STAY ON LINE. 
          THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE SURE ARE, ARE, ARE OTHER TWO SPEAKERS ONLINE AND THE CAMERA WORKING? GEORGE, DO YOU SEE THEM? MR. SOWAN OR MR. ABU? THERE WE GO. 
          I SEE ONE OF YOU TWO. 
          YES, I'M HERE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR. 
          READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS? UH, THERE IS ANYTHING I, THERE IS NOTHING I CAN ADD OTHER THAN WHAT AHED SAY. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION FOR ME, I WOULD LOVE TO ANSWER. 
          COULD YOU JUST PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, SIR? MY NAME IS SOLOMON ABBU. 
          GOTCHA, O OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          UH, HOW ABOUT MR. WAN? MR. WAN? I THINK HE HAVE TROUBLE FOR LOGGING IN. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE IN SUPPORT BEFORE WE HEAR FROM OUR FOLKS IN OPPOSITION? OKAY, WE'RE READY FOR OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MAKE SURE YOU TURN ON THE MICROPHONE FOR ME PLEASE. 
          YES, THERE'S A LITTLE BUTTON THERE SOMEWHERE. 
          PERFECT. 
          NOPE. 
          ONE MORE TIME. 
          THERE SHOULD BE A LIGHT THAT TURNS ON THERE. 
          HOW ABOUT THAT? IT'S GREEN. 
          OH, IS IT? OKAY. 
          SO IT SHOULD BE, I THINK IT'S FAINT, BUT PLEASE GO AHEAD. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME BETTER? OKAY. 
          MY NAME IS RANDY BCH, MY WIFE PAULA BCH. 
          WE LIVE AT 5 51 WEST LAWSON ROAD, DALLAS, AND WE HAVE A RENTAL PROPERTY, 5 53 WEST LAWSON AS WELL. 
          NEXT DOOR, I RESPECTIVELY, WE RESPECTIVELY OPPOSE THE APPROVAL OF A COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION ON THE PROPOSED SITE. 
          THIS AREA IS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURAL USE. 
          ONLY THE PROPOSED ZONING, OCCUPANCY AND DEVELOPMENT WOULD CREATE AN ENORMOUS TRAFFIC PROBLEM. 
          THE TRAFFIC IS ALREADY UNMANAGEABLE DUE TO RECENT COMPLETION OF THE MEADOWBROOK APARTMENT COMPLEX AT NINE 10 SOUTH BELTLINE ROAD AT THE CORNER OF SEVILLE ROAD AND BELTLINE ROAD WITH 180 UNITS AND THE COMPLETION OF THE FOREST WOOD APARTMENTS AT 40 11 BELTLINE ROAD IN BALCH SPRINGS WITH 220 UNITS. 
          THESE UNITS ARE LESS THAN ONE MILE FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. 
          OUR COMMUNITY DOES NOT NEED ANOTHER COMMERCIAL BUILDING OR FUEL CENTER. 
          WE ALREADY HAVE A COMMERCIAL BUILDING KNOWN AS DOLLAR GENERAL CONVENIENCE STORE, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUR ADDRESS AT FIVE 80 LAWSON ROAD, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE IN DALLAS COUNTY SERVING THE NEEDS 
          [03:40:01]
OF THE COMMUNITY AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. 
          THERE ARE 12 OTHER FUELING STATIONS WITHIN THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE RADIUS SERVING THE COMMUNITY WITH WHICH REDUCES THE DEMAND FOR THE PROPOSED ZONING CAPACITY OR OCCUPANCY. 
          IF THIS ZONING CHANGE IS APPROVED, TRAFFIC FROM LAWSON ROAD AND FERN HEATH ROAD TRYING TO ENTER BELTLINE ROAD WOULD BECOME MORE OF A NIGHTMARE. 
          IT IS ALREADY A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM DUE TO THE LOSS IN TRAFFIC HAVING TO STOP BEFORE MERGING TO BELTLINE ROAD. 
          WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, LAWSON ROAD TRAFFIC WOULD CUT THROUGH THIS PROPERTY TRYING TO AVOID THE STOP SIGN AND THEN TRY TO ENTER BELTLINE ROAD, WHICH HAS OVER 12,000 VEHICLES PER DAY EN ROUTE TO INTERSTATE 20 OR EN ROUTE TO HIGHWAY 1 75. 
          TRAFFIC IS NOT THE ONLY ISSUE. 
          THE TRASH GENERATED BY THE NUMBER OF DRIVERS OCCUPYING THESE VEHICLES ON THE ROAD IS CREATING A ROOT REAL LITTER PROBLEM. 
          MY PROPERTY IS ALONG BELTLINE ROAD, IT'S ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND WE FARM HAY FOR LIVESTOCK. 
          THE FIELD HAS TO BE, HAS TO BE CLEANED SO THAT OUR PRODUCT IS FREE FROM LITTER OR TRASH AND MACHINERY IS NOT DAMAGED IN THE PRODUCTION OF HAY. 
          I PERSONALLY HAVE TO ALLOCATE THREE TO FOUR HOURS A WEEK FOR TRASH DETAIL, COLLECTING ONE TO TWO LARGE TRASH BAGS FULL OF TRASH ALONG OUR PROPERTIES. 
          THERE ARE DIRTY DIAPERS, FOOD AND DRINK AND STYROFOAM CONTAINERS, CAR PARTS, BEER AND GLASS ARE METAL CANS. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          YOUR DOLLAR GENERAL BADGE, YOUR TIME IS UP, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY TIME'S UP? YES SIR. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          PLEASE STAND BY THERE, THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? YES, SIR. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THE GREEN LIGHT'S ON . 
          UH, MY NAME IS COLIN HOGARTH. 
          I LIVE AT 2100 ROYAL OAKS DRIVE DALLAS. 
          UM, THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE SOUTH BELTLINE ROAD IS A 2.5 MILE ACTION, UM, FROM 1 75 TO 20. 
          THERE ARE ALREADY SEVEN GAS STATIONS ALONG THAT 2.5 MILE STREET. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IF ANYONE WITH ANY BUSINESS WISDOM WOULDN'T BE PRACTICAL TO PUT, PUT ANOTHER GAS STATION THERE WHERE YOU ALREADY HAVE MORE PUMPS THAN BUCKYS DO. 
          UM, CONGESTION, THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN SEVERAL FATALITIES ON THAT INTERSECTION. 
          THERE IS A COUPLE OF MEMORIALS FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIED ON THAT INTERSECTION. 
          IT JUST SHOWS THAT THE TRAFFIC IS SERIOUSLY VERY BAD ON THAT INTERSECTION AND BY IMPLYING TO HAVE A GAS STATION THERE, YOU'RE ADDING TO THE THERE ALREADY, UM, TRAFFIC DEMAND THERE. 
          AND THE OTHER THING, THERE ARE FOUR SCHOOLS THAT USE SOUTH BELTLINE ROAD AND ADJACENT ROAD FOR SCHOOL BUSES. 
          THEY ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH TROUBLE GETTING TO AND FROM THE SCHOOLS, SO, YOU KNOW, ADDING MORE CONFLICT TO THAT. 
          MORE CARS ON THE ROAD, MORE PEOPLE STOPPING TRYING TO GET INTO A GAS STATION. 
          I'M VERY AGAINST HAVING ANOTHER GAS STATION THERE. 
          IT SHOULD BE RESERVED FOR RESIDENTIAL OR AGRICULTURAL USE ONLY. 
          THAT'S ABOUT IT. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR. 
          ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? HELLO COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS JESSICA RAMIREZ AND I LIVE AT 2 7 2 WEST LAWSON ROAD, TRAILER NUMBER FOUR IN DISTRICT EIGHT. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TODAY. 
          I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY OPPOSITION TO THE ZONING KZ 2 3 4 2 6 9 AT 500 SOUTH BELTLINE. 
          AND WITH ALL DISRESPECT, UM, I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO VOTE NO AS WELL. 
          AND FOR THE SAKE OF THE KIDS OF EAST KLEBERG, UM, LET ME TELL YOU WHY. 
          I HAVE A PETITION FROM BACK IN MARCH THAT I SENT TO MY CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, TO KNOW ATKINS AND IN SUPPORT OF MORE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS, UH, OF OVER 125 RESIDENTS. 
          I AM SEEING A PATTERN WHERE NEW DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES TO BE APPROVED WITHOUT ADDRESSING UNDERLYING CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN OF THIS AREA. 
          WHETHER THEY ATTEND DISD OR MISD, THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC VOLUME IN AND IS OUT OF CONTROL. 
          SO I'VE RECENTLY SUGGESTED SEVERAL CITY DEPARTMENTS OF THE DALLAS, UM, TO CONSIDER ADJUSTING THE SCHOOL ZONE, AND I WAS DENIED A REQUEST FOR MORE CROSSWALKS AND SIDEWALKS. 
          IF THE CITY'S THOROUGHFARE PLAN CALLS FOR LASSETER TO EXPAND TO TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION TO ACCOMMODATE CURRENT TRAFFIC TRENDS, UM, I THINK IT'S TIME TO BRING THIS BACK TO THIS BODY. 
          IF YOU DON'T KNOW ALREADY, WE ARE COMMITTED, UH, ADVOCATES FOR THIS COMMUNITY DEMANDING INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS FIRST, YOU, YOU CAN BRING IN, FIRST BRING IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS AND THEN YOU CAN BRING IN THESE BIG DEVELOPMENTS. 
          PROVIDE US OUR PROMISED TRAILS, SUPPORT, OUR EQUESTRIAN EFFORTS, AND KEEP OUR COMMUNITY RURAL. 
          OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION 
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IS DILIGENTLY WORKING WITH NORTH TEXAS COG TO, UH, SECURE FUNDING FOR SUCH PROJECTS. 
          AND THEY ALSO AGREE THAT THIS AREA IS AN AREA OF URGENCY COMMISSIONERS. 
          WE ARE SURVIVING OUT HERE IN THE 27 YEARS THAT I'VE CALLED THIS AREA MY HOME. 
          I CAN SEE THE FUTURE STRAIN THAT THESE TYPES OF ZONING CHANGES WILL BRING TO MY COMMUNITY SPECIFICALLY IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC AND SAFETY. 
          DESPITE THE FUTURE OF THIS CASE, UNFORTUNATELY, WE WILL BE WAITING ANOTHER 10 PLUS YEARS FOR ANY MEANINGFUL PROGRESS. 
          IT IS SO IMPORTANT AND VERY DISAPPOINTING. 
          UM, THE APPROVAL OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS SPECIFIC AREA WITHOUT RAISING EQUITY CONCERNS. 
          THE UNCHECKED DEVELOPMENT IS CONTRIBUTING TO DEEPER SOCIOECONOMIC DIVIDES IN OUR COMMUNITIES. 
          PRIORITIZING ESSENTIAL SAFETY UPGRADES IS A DISSERVICE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THIS AREA WHO RELY ON CITY COMMITMENTS FOR OUR WELLBEING. 
          ZONING APPLICATIONS IN OTHER PARTS OF KLEBERG RILEY ARE IN SUCH MUCH BETTER SHAPE INFRASTRUCTURE WISE, THAT AS A COMMUNITY WE APPROVE. 
          BUT FOR THIS ONE, LET'S REVISIT THIS. 
          UM, ONCE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE COM, UH, DEMANDS ARE MET, PLEASE RESPECT OUR PETITION. 
          MY COMMUNITY DESERVES BETTER AND THE KLEBERG RILEY CHILDREN DESERVE BETTER AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, DAVID CARRANZA, I LIVE AT 1 4 4 6 4 KLEBERG ROAD, UH, IN DALLAS, TEXAS. 
          I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE KLEBERG, UH, , KLEBERG NEVER ASSOCIATION CRIME WATCH. 
          UM, I'M HERE TO OPPOSE, UH, Z 2 3 4 2 0 2 1. 
          UM, COMING HERE TODAY, I JUST MET THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND, AND I WAS GLAD TO MEET HIM BECAUSE I WAS TOLD AT OUR COMMUNITY MEETING THAT WE HAD WHERE THE, UM, THE PEOPLE WHO WERE DOING THE PROJECT, UH, THAT HE AGREED TO THIS PROJECT, HE IS ADAMANTLY AGAINST IT. 
          SO I DON'T APPRECIATE BEING, COMING TO OUR MEETING AND LYING TO US THAT THE PERSON, UH, WAS INTERESTED IN THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, AS SHE MENTIONED BEFORE, WE ARE WORKING WITH COG ABOUT TRYING TO GET MORE INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY OUT THERE BECAUSE WE, WE DON'T FEEL WE'RE GETTING ENOUGH OF IT FROM THE CITY, SO WE'RE HAVING TO DO IT OURSELVES. 
          UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING ANYTHING WE CAN TO GET THAT DONE. 
          UM, I ALSO, ON THE PETITION THAT SHE MENTIONED, I MEAN PROBABLY MOST OF YOU GOT A LOT OF THE EMAILS THAT I SENT OUT TODAY THAT HAD THREE OR FOUR OTHER PAGES OF, UH, PETITIONS THAT HAVE YOU SENT. 
          THE PAGES SHE HAS ARE SPECIFICALLY NEIGHBORHOOD ORIENTED PEOPLE WHO LIVE WITHIN A MILE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THOSE NUMBERS MATTER. 
          IT'S NOT JUST A COUPLE OF US, IT'S HUNDREDS OF US. 
          SO WE ASK THAT YOU PLEASE VOTE NO ON THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. 
          UH, PER OUR RULES, UH, THE APPLICANT GETS A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL. 
          WHICH ONE OF YOU TWO GENTLEMEN WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THOSE TWO MINUTES? MR. ZUMAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE THOSE TWO MINUTES, SIR? YEAH, THAT'S FINE. 
          PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I JUST GOT ALL THE COMPLAINTS AND OPPOSITION FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO, UH, MAJORITY OF THE COMMENTS ARE REGARDING THE TRAFFIC. 
          ACTUALLY, THIS, UH, COMPLEX IS GOING TO BE SERVED FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          UH, BASICALLY ALL THE, UH, UH, ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, REQUIRED ALL THE STORES. 
          SO LIKE NAIL SALOON, UH, TAX OFFICES AND OTHER STUFF LIKE, UH, UH, LIKE GAS STATION AND CONVEYANCE STORE FACILITIES, UH, ONE OR TWO NEARBY GAS STATION DOESN'T MEAN THAT, UH, UH, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS RELY ON THE GAS STATION ONLY. 
          THERE ARE SOME OTHER FACILITIES ARE GOING TO BE INCORPORATED OVER HERE. 
          UH, THE DENSITY WISE, IF YOU JUST REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC VOLUME, IT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY. 
          I MEAN, UH, UH, INCREASE THE, UH, VOLUME THAT MUCH BECAUSE THESE ARE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY, UH, LIVING IN SURROUNDED AREAS. 
          AND, UH, PARTICULAR IT IS CONNECTED FROM ACTUALLY THE BELTLINE. 
          THE MAJOR ROAD IS OVER THERE, SO THE TRAFFIC WILL BE DIVERTED IN A STATE OF, UH, GOING IN THE SAME DIRECTION OR NOT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY, UH, I THINK WE CAN ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THESE STEPS. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THE TRAFFIC VOLUME 
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OF WHAT WE HAVE PRESENTED IS NOT REALLY EXCEEDING MORE THAN 5,000. 
          SO, UH, I MEAN, WE, WE SHOULD GET PERMISSION FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER'S. 
          QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT COMMISSIONER BLAIR? UM, MR. ABSALON? YES. 
          UH, WERE YOU AWARE THAT THAT, AND I'M, I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS, UM, STRICTLY BECAUSE I NEED EVERYONE TO APPRECIATE WHAT, WHAT THE PROCESS IS GOING THROUGH OR WHAT THIS AREA IS GOING THROUGH. 
          ARE YOU AWARE THAT, UM, CURRENTLY THERE ARE SOME DESIGN CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED OF THIS SITE DUE TO THE PLANS TO PUT IN STREETLIGHTS AND IMPROVEMENTS IN INFRASTRUCTURE? YES. 
          IS THE DESIGN THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE FOR YOUR DEVELOPMENT, UM, DOES IT INCLUDE THESE DESIGN STANDARDS? WELL, I HAVE MR. AHMED HERE WITH ME. 
          HE'S THE ENGINEERING OF OUR PROJECT AND HE'S DOING EVERYTHING BASED ON THE CITY CODE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M BACK. 
          UH, SORRY. 
          AH, YES, UH, YES. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T REALLY GONE THAT DETAIL. 
          WHAT TYPE OF, UH, UH, PROPOSED, I MEAN THE STREETLIGHTS ARE GOING TO BE, BUT WE CAN FOLLOW THE REGULATION, WHAT IS, UH, ACTUALLY INSISTING THE CITY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK MY, MY NEXT QUESTIONS IN THOSE REGARDS WOULD BE FOR STAFF MM-HMM . 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, CAN I, UH, I'M SORRY, I'M BACK ON ONLINE NOW. 
          UH, CAN I GET A MINUTE OF, UH, INTRODUCTION AT LEAST? AND, UH, UH, CAN I GIVE YOU MY 2 CENTS ON IT? WHO, WHO ARE YOU, SIR? ARE YOU A REGISTERED SPEAKER? THIS IS, THIS IS, YES, I AM ERWAN ONE OF THE, UH, APPLICANTS. 
          GOTCHA. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          SO I, UH, I, UH, PLEASE GO AHEAD. 
          YES. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HEARD AND, AND I THINK I HEARD THEM BEFORE, UH, ON THE INITIAL MEETING THAT WE HAD, UH, THAT THEY'RE ALL VALID, HOWEVER, WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS. 
          AND, UH, IN PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC, UH, ASPECT OF IT. 
          SO AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC, WE'RE NOT BRINGING, UH, ANY, UH, UH, CUSTOMERS OUTSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT IS ACCOMMODATED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE NOT BRINGING ANYBODY FROM OUTSIDE. 
          WE'RE NOT OFFERING ANY OTHER ITEMS OR ANY PRODUCTS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE ATTRACT, UH, ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE MIGHT BE ELIMINATE, ALLEVIATE SOME OF IT BECAUSE, UH, SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT THERE'S SO MANY GAS STATIONS AROUND, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE THAT FAR. 
          WE MIGHT BE CLOSER TO YOU AND THEN THAT MAY, UH, SHRINK, UH, YOUR TRAVEL TIME AS WELL AS, UH, UH, LESSEN THE PRESSURE ON, UH, OTHER, UH, ROADS AND, AND INTERSECTIONS FOR THAT MATTER. 
          ALSO, WE'RE TAKING EVERY PRE PRECAUTIONS THAT WE CAN TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE OUR NEIGHBORS. 
          UH, WE DESIGNED THE LAYOUT IN PARTICULAR TO MAKE SURE, UH, THERE ISN'T ANY, UH, UH, UNCOMFORT LEVEL AND NOISE LEVEL. 
          UH, WE RESPECT, UH, THE, UH, HOURS, UH, WORKING HOURS. 
          WE ALSO, UH, AWARE OF THE TRAFFIC SITUATION. 
          WE, UH, DISCUSS IT WITH OUR ENGINEER TO ALLOW FOR SOME, UH, UH, UTILIZATION AS FAR AS, UH, CARVING OUT A PIECE OF OUR LAND JUST TO LESSEN THE, UH, TRAFFIC, UH, RAMIFICATION, IF, IF ANY, THAT IS, BUT THE TRAFFIC EXISTS ALREADY. 
          WE ALREADY HAVE A STUDY THAT SHOWS THERE'S SO MUCH TRAFFIC. 
          UH, UH, DEFINITELY WE, WE ARE MAKING AN IMPACT. 
          UH, BUT I THINK IT'S TO THE POSITIVE, UH, UH, ONE, NOT NECESSARILY A NEGATIVE ONE. 
          UH, WE'RE NOT, AGAIN, WE WE'RE THERE TO HELP OUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVERYBODY THAT HAD A CONCERN, IT'S A VALID ONE. 
          BUT IF THEY, IF THEY LOOK AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE THERE TO HELP OUT RATHER THAN MAKE THINGS COMPLICATED. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS AND SUPPORT QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION. 
          COMMISSIONER 
          [03:55:01]
BLA, PLEASE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH MR. BCH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IF YOU COME DOWN TO THE PODIUM AGAIN, UM, SIR, YOU LIVE RIGHT BEHIND THIS PROPERTY AND, AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN ON THE CASE REPORT, IT WOULD BE, UM, NUMBER 11 AND 12. 
          SO YOUR WHOLE, THE, YOUR WHOLE ADDRESS ON LAWSON ACTUALLY GOES THE FULL LINE OF THIS PROPERTY. 
          IS THAT NOT CORRECT? IT'S ALONG, IT'S ALONG THE, IT'S ALONG MY PROPERTY LINE, YES, MY PROPERTY LINE WOULD BE IN THE BACK OF THEIRS, BUT IT GOES ALL AROUND, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO BELTLINE ROAD. 
          YES. 
          YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TWO ADDRESSES AND, UM, ONE IS FURTHER, UH, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE NORTH. 
          YES. 
          5 55 53 WEST LAWSON. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S A RENTAL PROPERTY. 
          YES. 
          ONE, TWO AC, TWO ACRES. 
          AND YOU SAID THAT YOU ALSO, UM, UH, UH, USE YOUR PROPERTY FOR PURE AC AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES? YES, MA'AM, I DO. 
          AND THAT YOU PRODUCE HAY FOR THE COMMUNITY? YES, MA'AM, I DO. 
          UM, AND THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY IS A COMMUNITY THAT NEEDS A LOT OF HAY FOR ALL THE YES MA'AM. 
          FARM ANIMALS THAT ARE THERE. 
          UM, AND YOU ARE THE, YOU ARE ONE OF THE PROVIDERS OF THAT HAY FOR THE HORSES AND COWS AND SO ON? YES, MA'AM. 
          SO, UM, HAVING A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS CONTRARY TO THE, THE PRODUCTION OF YOUR HAY WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO YOUR EXISTENCE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO US? YES, I AM SAYING THAT, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN THERE? 40 YEARS. 
          WOW. 
          YOU'VE BEEN PRODUCING HAY FOR 40 YEARS? WELL, NOT QUITE 40 YEARS, BUT, UH, IT WAS ABOUT, I WAS 10 YEARS INTO PREPARING THE PROPERTY. 
          I HAD TO CLEAR THE PROPERTY AND THEN I HAD TO PLANT COASTAL BERMUDA HAY. 
          YES. 
          WOW. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, UH, OUR SPEAKERS IN OFFICE POSITION? UM, CAN I, UM, ASK, UH, MR. CARRANZA A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR MR. CARRANZA? UM, HI, HOW ARE YOU TODAY? GOOD. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT IN THE COMMUNITY MEETING THAT THAT WAS, THAT YOU HAD, I WAS THERE AS WELL AS CORRECT. 
          UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE ALWAYS SAID WAS THAT, OR THAT, THAT ONE OF THE CONCERNS, ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS IS THE, THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE KLEBERG RALLY. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          ON ON, IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, THIS IS AN EXTREME. 
          IS THIS NOT EXTREMELY, UH, ONE OF THE MOST RURAL AREAS OF THE, OF KLEBERG RALLY THAT PARTICULAR CORNER? YES. 
          YES. 
          UM, AND IT'S, I KNOW THAT WE HAD A DISCUSSION, UM, WELL, I KNOW IT'S ONE THAT WAS A LITTLE TENSE, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE, THE EXISTING GROWTH THAT YOU ARE SEEING IN THIS PARTICULAR COMM COMMUNITY OR AREA THAT IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO THE LIFESTYLE OF THE COM OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. 
          IS THAT NOT CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          UM, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GUYS HAVE LOOKED AT THIS PARTICULAR AREA, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'RE ASKING IS TO NOT BRING URBANISM INTO YOUR COMMUNITY, IS THAT CORRECT? AND TO LEAVE IT AS A RULE AS POSSIBLE? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UM, AND IS THERE NOT A NEW DEVELOPMENT, I KNOW IT'S NOT IN OUR PARTICULAR CITY MUNICIPALITY THAT BROUGHT IN A, A RATHER LARGE, UM, FUELING STATION AND YOU WEREN'T HAPPY WITH THAT AS WELL? CORRECT. 
          UM, SO THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY, UM, HAS EXPRESSED THE NEED TO HAVE, UM, THE AREA PLAN, UM, REVALUE REEVALUATED, AND YOU'VE BEEN WAITING FOR QUITE SOME TIME FOR THAT. 
          YES. 
          UM, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE, BUT DO KNOW THAT IT, THAT CHANGE WILL COME SOON. 
          UM, SO ARE YOU, SO ARE YOU AWARE, AND I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF IN ORDER TO PROVIDE, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE, WERE YOU AWARE THAT THERE IS A LIGHT THAT IS, UH, TARGETED FOR THIS PARTICULAR CORNER? 
          [04:00:02]
UM, I I'VE ASSUMED THERE WAS GONNA BE A LIGHT. 
          I DIDN'T, I WASN'T MADE AWARE UNTIL RECENTLY THAT THE, SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ON THE LAWSON LASSETER BA UH, BELTLINE AREA IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING DESIGNED. 
          WERE YOU AWARE OF THAT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER'S. 
          QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER BLACK. 
          UM, IS DAVID NAVARRE, MR. NAVARRES AVAILABLE? UH, MR. NAVAR? UH, MR. NAVARRE, HOW ARE YOU TODAY? NO, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          MY APOLOGIES. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          I THOUGHT MY AUDIO WAS FIXED. 
          THANK YOU FOR RUNNING DOWN. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          COMMISSIONER BLACK. 
          UM, MR. NAVARRE, FIRST, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF? YES. 
          WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER DAVID NAVARRE WITH TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          MR. NAVARRE, CAN YOU SHARE WITH, WITH THIS BODY THE PLANS FOR THE BELTLINE LASSETER, UH, LAWSON AREA? TECHNICALLY, WE DON'T HAVE PLANS FOR OR DESIGN PLANS FOR LAWSON THERE. 
          UH, THERE ARE, THERE IS AN INTENTION TO COLLABORATE WITH, UM, NCT CAULK IN FINDING WAYS OF FUNDING IMPROVEMENTS ON LAWSON, ALL THE WAY FROM BELTLINE TO LASSETER. 
          THAT WOULD INCLUDE TWO SIGNALS. 
          ONE AT LAWSON, WHICH IS ALREADY WARRANTED, AND ANOTHER ONE AT LASSETER, WHICH IS WARRANTED BASED ON, UM, UH, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS, UH, UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS ON, ON LASSETER, THE, THE PLAN THAT THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT HAS IN MIND WOULD IMPROVE, UH, DRAINAGE, PAVEMENT WIDTH, AND SIDEWALKS ALONG LAWSON. 
          SO THIS IS ANOTHER CON CONUNDRUM FOR THE BELT, FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF THE CITY WHERE, WHERE THE FUND'S GONNA COME IN ORDER TO DO THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS REQUIRED FOR THE GROWTH. 
          THAT'S ALREADY BEEN, BEEN, UM, BEEN SEEN IN THIS COMMUNITY. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO BASICALLY THE, THE FUNDING IS NOT IN PLACE TO DO IT TODAY, SO YOU NEED THE DEVELOPMENT IN ORDER TO GET THE, GET SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WELL, THE, THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE IS OVERWHELMING THE EXISTING COMMUNITY, IS THAT NOT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. 
          WE ARE LOOKING ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR FUNDING AND COLLABORATING AND HAVING MEETINGS WITH THE, UH, NCT CAU, UM, UH, AND I WANNA SAY INDEPENDENT FROM THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT, BUT NOT REALLY OBVIOUSLY, UM, DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA TRIGGERS THE NEED TO EXPEDITE THE ALLOCATION OF FUNDS TO AND THE A, RIGHT? YES. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          AND VERY SPECIFICALLY HERE AT THIS INTERSECTION, WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY TO INSTALL A TRAFFIC SIGNAL. 
          THE COMMISSION ACTUALLY SAW ANOTHER CASE JUST ACROSS THE STREET A FEW YEARS AGO. 
          UM, AND THE ISSUE HAD TO DO WITH THE DESIGN OF, OF AN INTERSECTION THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE 
          [04:05:01]
A TRAFFIC SIGNAL. 
          SO AT THIS POINT, WE WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER AT THAT CORNER OF LAWSON AND LAS AND, AND BELTLINE TO, UM, DEDICATE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IN ORDER FOR US TO BRING IN LASSETER, EXCUSE ME, LAWSON, TO INTERSECT AT 90 DEGREES WITH BELTLINE IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, WHICH IS WARRANTED TODAY. 
          UH, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY TO INSTALL IT. 
          BASICALLY, WE ARE LACKING FUNDING AND RIGHT AWAY IN ORDER TO COME. 
          YES. 
          SHOULD THE COMMISSION APPROVED THE DEVELOPMENT OF A PROPERTY, UH, THIS SUBJECT SITE, THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, AND WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T MET WITH THE, UH, THE APPLICANT. 
          MY, MY OFFICE HAS NOT MET WITH THE APPLICANT AS OF NOW, BUT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT FINDING OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THEY COULD HELP US, UH, ORIENT THE DEDICATION OF, OF LAWSON AS IT INTERSECTS WITH BELINE. 
          SO CAN YOU TELL US,  A GUESSTIMATION OF TIMELINE? ARE WE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY GETTING THIS DONE THE NEXT YEAR, NEXT FIVE YEARS? A TIMELINE FOR THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS? THE INTERSECTION, YES. 
          THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS IN AT THIS INTERSECTION, NOT OR NOT AT ALL? NO, MA'AM. 
          I, I, I, I WOULD, I I I DON'T HAVE ANY POINT I BE ABLE TO DO THAT POINT OF REFERENCE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S BASED ON FUNDING AND THAT COULD HAPPEN TOMORROW. 
          IT COULD HAPPEN YEARS FROM NOW. 
          UM, THE SIGNALS NEEDED TODAY. 
          SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE JUST CAN'T GO PUT A SIGNAL 'CAUSE THERE'S NO NOT ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO, UM, THE INSTALLATION OF A TRAFFIC SIGNAL WOULD BE AN IMMEDIATE IM IMPROVEMENT SHOULD THERE BE A DEVELOPMENT AT THIS CORNER, AT THIS LOCATION. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR STAFF? OKAY. 
          SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, CAN WE, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION? NO. 
          YEAH, NO, NONE OF THESE ARE EASY. 
          THIS ONE IS, IS AGAIN, ANOTHER HARD ONE. 
          UM, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 2 6 9. 
          I MOVE THAT WE, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOT FILE A STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, BUT TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER BLAIR? YES. 
          UM, AS ALWAYS, THESE ARE DIFFICULT CASES IN CLEAVER RILEY, LIKE WE SAID, IS CHICKEN OR THE EGG? DO WE HAVE, WHEN DO WE GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE? WHEN, WHEN IS THE FUNDING COMING? UM, WHEN DO WE GO FROM A, FROM A VERY URBAN TYPE OF AREA? DO WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD CONCEIVABLY, UH, CHALLENGE THE, THE LIVELIHOOD OF SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN THERE FOREVER? UM, AND TO SAY THAT, THAT WE DON'T WANT DEVELOPMENT IS NOT THE ACCURATE STATEMENT. 
          THAT, THAT WHAT, WHAT WHAT I AM SAYING IS DEVELOPMENT IS GOOD. 
          DEVELOPMENT IS RIGHT IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. 
          THEY, WE HAVE HAD OVER 300 NEW DWELLING UNITS BUILT OUT. 
          YOU HAVE SCHOOLS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CUE ON PROPERTY. 
          THEY'RE QUEUING ON THE STREET, UM, WHICH CAUSES MORE CONGESTION AND FRUSTRATION. 
          UM, I WOULD LOVE TO TELL EVERYBODY, YES, I WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE BATTLING OUT WITH MY COMMUNITY. 
          UM, SOMETIMES BATTLES ARE GOOD BATTLES, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CAN EDUCATE AND, AND EVERYBODY CAN LEARN. 
          THIS IS NOT ONE TIME, THIS IS NOT THE TIME WHERE, UM, THIS IS A GOOD BATTLE. 
          WE, I'VE DONE EVERYTHING I KNEW TO DO, KNOW, TO DO. 
          I JUST CAN BE THE, I JUST CAN'T GIVE INFRASTRUCTURE TO AN AREA THAT IS EXTREMELY RURAL THAT IT WANTS TO STAY THAT WAY. 
          WHO HAS BEEN ASKING FOR AREA PLAN REVIEW? IT'S COMING. 
          I TALKED TODAY. 
          IT'S COMING. 
          UM, BUT UNTIL IT DOES COME AND UNTIL WE DO HAVE A, A CONSENSUS OF DIRECTION FROM THE CITY, WHEN IT COMES DOWN 
          [04:10:01]
TO GROWTH, HOW THAT GROWTH IS TO HAPPEN, HOW THE DEVELOPMENT IS TO OCCUR, WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT IS TO OCCUR, WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO INCUR AND HOW TO GET THE FUNDING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IN AN AREA THAT HAS NO INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          AND DO WE, HOW DO WE DO ALL OF THESE THINGS? IT'S ABOVE MY PAY GRADE. 
          UM, SO, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, UM, I, I CANNOT SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT THAT AT THE EXPENSE OF THE COMMUNITY THAT IS ALREADY THERE. 
          SO I, I RELUCTANTLY WANT HAVE TO ASK TO DENY THIS PARTICULAR WITHOUT PREJUDICE. 
          SO IF THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND, AND THIS DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR TOGETHER WOULD BE A, A BETTER WAY TO DO THE DEVELOPMENT THAN THE WAY WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER HOUSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, I'LL, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION, BUT I, I I WILL SAY THAT, UM, I'M GOING TO, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION BE BECAUSE OF THIS PARTICULAR LAND USE. 
          BUT TH THIS IS A COMMERCIAL SITE. 
          THIS IS NOT AN R 10 SITE. 
          THE CITY'S COMING TO KLEBERG RILEY AND WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DEAL WITH IT AT, AT SOME POINT AND YEAH. 
          UM, WELL, I DON'T THINK IT IS ABOVE OUR PAY GRADE, AND I, I DON'T THINK WE CAN ARTIFICIALLY DENY DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OF, UH, A FEELING ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE I THINK THIS, THIS BODY IS NOT QUALIFIED TO ASSESS THE DETAILS AND THE ENGINEERING OF INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE QUALIFIED TO DEAL WITH LAND USE. 
          AND SO I, I WILL, I WILL DEFER TO THE RESIDENTS AND I'LL DEFER TO THE COMMISSIONER ON THIS PARTICULAR LAND USE ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE. 
          UH, MAYBE WE CAN FIND ONE BETTER, BUT I, I DON'T VOTE IN SUPPORT OF THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S AN R 10 SITE. 
          IT'S NOT AN R 10 SITE. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HANTON TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THEY'LL FOLLOW STAFF INTIMIDATION, BUT RATHER DENY THE APPLICATION WITHOUT PREJUDICE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYE. 
          HAVE IT. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER, LET'S, UM, LET'S GO BACK TO THE CASES THAT WE TABLED. 
          I THINK OUR FOLKS ARE IN THE ROOM. 
          COMMISSIONER FORSET, WERE YOU EXPECTING ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S, THAT HASN'T ARRIVED. 
          THERE WERE OTHER RESIDENTS THAT THAT TOLD ME THEY WERE COMING THAT ARE, ARE NOT HERE YET. 
          OKAY, LET'S, LET'S THEN TABLE IT FOR JUST A MOMENT TO BE FAIR. 
          UM, SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          LET'S 
          [9. 24-3731  An application for a TH-3(A) Townhouse District on property zoned an R-7.5(A) Single Family District, on the east line of Toluca Avenue, north of Circle Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Marco Sorto Planner: Ryan Mulkey Council District: 4 Z234-273(LG/RM)]
GO TO NINE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. 
          ITEM NINE KC 2 34 DASH 2 73. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR A TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT ON PROPERTIES OWNED AN R 75, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE EAST LINE OF TOLUCA AVENUE NORTH OF CIRCLE DRIVE. 
          STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UH, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE HURT? YES, SIR. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS MARCO SOTO AND I LIVE ON 24 15 AMBER LEAF COURT. 
          AND WE ARE, THAT'S WHY WE PROPOSING, UH, SOME NEW TOWN HOMES IN THE AREA AND IT'S A DEAD END, SO WE NOT REALLY INTERFERING WITH ANY TRAFFIC SITUATIONS. 
          THAT'S, DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS? YES. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          PLEASE STAND BY. 
          THERE MAY BE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT? ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR MR. SOTO? COMMISSIONER FORESITE, PLEASE. 
          UM, EARLIER IN IN THE BRIEFING, IT WAS INDICATED THAT, UH, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF TOLUCA ROAD, UH, UH, TO YOUR, TO YOUR, UH, DEVELOPMENT. 
          ARE YOU, ARE YOU GOING TO, UH, BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE, THAT PART OF, UH, OF EXTENDING TOLUCA ROAD TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT? YES. 
          WE, UH, UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTINUE THAT ALL THE WAY TO THE END. 
          YES, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          AND HOW MANY UNITS, UH, ARE 
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YOU PROPOSING? UH, UH, WE PROPOSING MORE THAN WHAT WE ALLOWED, BUT THEY, UH, THEY ACCEPT, UH, THREE, I BELIEVE WE WAS LOOKING FOR FIVE UNITS, BUT I BELIEVE THEY ARE, UH, SAYING THAT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE MORE THAN THREE UNITS THERE. 
          AND YOU, AND YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY. 
          WE OKAY. 
          WITH ANY CODE IS NECESSARY WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS. 
          QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. MULKEY. 
          WE HAD A QUESTION AT THE BRIEFING ABOUT BUFFER REQUIREMENTS BETWEEN THE TH DISTRICT AND THE RESIDENTIAL. 
          WERE YOU ABLE TO CONFIRM THOSE REQUIREMENTS? YEAH, I SPOKE WITH THE CITY AR CITY ARBORIST ABOUT THAT, AND THEY CONFIRMED THAT A TH DISTRICT ADJACENT TO AN R DISTRICT WOULD NOT TRIGGER ANY KIND OF RESIDENTIAL BUFFER ZONE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S LISTED IN ARTICLE 10, THAT IT'S SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEX. 
          ALL OTHER USES TRIGGER THE BUFFER REQUIREMENT. 
          IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO RESIDENTIAL. 
          YEAH, WHAT THEY SAID WAS THAT A RESIDENTIAL USE ON A TH DISTRICT WOULDN'T TRIGGER THOSE BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND IS THERE A SEPARATE REQUIREMENT RELATED TO ITS, UM, STREET SCAPE OR RIGHT OF WAY BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS? UM, I'M, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, MR. IRWIN OR SOMEONE ELSE WITH THE CITY ARBORIST OFFICE IS ONLINE. 
          WELL, IT, IT ESSENTIALLY THE EVALUATION WOULD BE PER ARTICLE 10 BECAUSE IT'S A STRAIGHT ZONING CASE. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, C NONE. 
          COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES. 
          CHAIRMAN SHAIDE IN THE MATTER OF CASE C 2 34 DASH 2 73, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT FOR YOUR MOTION AND VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS. 
          SEEING NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. 
          COMMISSIONER, 
          [10. 24-3732  An application for a new Planned Development Subdistrict on property zoned Subdistrict 1A within Planned Development District No. 714, the West Commerce Street/Fort Worth Avenue Special Purpose District, an area bound by West Commerce Street, Haslett Street, Yorktown Street, and Pittman Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to conditions. Applicant: TW Commerce Management, LLC Representative: Rob Baldwin, Baldwin Associates Planner: Martin Bate Council District: 6 Z234-291(MB)]
GO TO CASE 10. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          ITEM 10 IS CASE Z, 2 34 DASH 29 1. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE SUBDISTRICT ONE A WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 7 1 4, THE WEST COMMERCE STREET, FORT WORTH AVENUE SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT, AN AREA BOUNDED BY WEST COMMERCE STREET, HASLET STREET, YORKTOWN STREET, AND PITTMAN STREET. 
          STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATIONS, APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU MR. BAT. 
          IS THERE ANY, UH, SEE THE APPLICANT IS HERE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UH, ROB BALDWIN, 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B I'M GONNA ASK THAT THIS CASE BE HELD, UH, TO YOUR NEXT MEETING. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          I AGREE ON WHAT WE WANT TO DO, BUT I I DON'T HAVE THE LANGUAGE PERFECTED YET. 
          I THINK THAT WE WILL, UH, IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO. 
          SO I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS REQUEST TO HOLD IT SO WE CAN CRAFT THE PROPER LANGUAGE. 
          AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR MR. BALDWIN. 
          QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SCENE NONE. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IN THE MATTER OF CASE Z 2 3 4 DASH 2 9 1, I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND PUT THIS CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL JANUARY THE 23RD, 2025. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER SHERLOCK FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY COMMENTS? NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 
          WE'LL GO TO CASE 
          [14. 24-3736 An application for a TH-3(A) Townhouse District on property zoned an LO-1 Limited Office District with consideration for a Specific Use Permit for a private recreation center, club, or area, and with consideration for a Planned Development District for LO-1 Limited Office District uses, on the north line of East Northwest Highway, east of Lockhaven Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval of a Specific Use Permit for a private recreation center, club, or area, subject to a site plan and staff’s recommended conditions, in lieu of a Planned Development District for LO-1 Limited Office District uses. ]
NUMBER 14 OR CASES UNDER ADVISEMENT. 
          WE'RE NOW AT THE TOP OF PAGE FIVE. 
          ITEM 14 IS CASE Z, 2 34 DASH 1 78. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR A TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE AND L OH ONE LIMITED OFFICE DISTRICT WITH CONSIDERATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE RECREATION CENTER, CLUB OR AREA. 
          AND CONSIDERATION FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR L OH ONE LIMITED OFFICE DISTRICT USES ON THE NORTH LINE OF EAST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY EAST OF LOCKHAVEN DRIVE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE RECREATION CENTER, CLUB OR AREA SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS IN LIEU OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR L OH ONE LIMITED OFFICE DISTRICT USES MR. ROLAND. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, ROB BALDWIN. 
          3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B. 
          FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK BOTH, UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT AND STAFF FOR BEING PATIENT WITH THIS, AS WAS ALLUDED TO AT THE BRIEFING SESSION. 
          THIS ORIGINALLY WAS A REQUEST FOR A TH THREE DISTRICT WHERE WE WERE GONNA REMOVE THE BUILDING AND PUT, UH, SOME SORT OF HOUSING THERE. 
          IT TURNS OUT 
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THAT THERE ARE ENCUMBRANCES ON THE BUILDING, NAMELY COMMERCIAL COMMUNICATIONS ANTENNAS THAT MADE IT VERY DIFFICULT TO TO DO THAT. 
          THE GOOD NEWS IS WE GET TO SAVE THE BUILDING. 
          YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE. 
          UM, THE REQUEST IS FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO ALLOW FOR A PRIVATE RECREATION FACILITY. 
          AND THE REASON WE'RE DOING A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS THE SUPD THAT STAFF HAS CRAFTED GETS US ABOUT 90% OF THE WAY THERE. 
          THE PROBLEM IS, BASED ON MY CONVERSATIONS AND MY EXPERIENCE, WE CANNOT REDUCE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS WITH AN SUP. 
          IF WE COULD, WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THE SUP, BUT WE CAN'T BEST BY KNOWLEDGE. 
          WE NEED RELIEF ON TWO ASPECTS OF THE LANDSCAPING. 
          THE FIRST IS LONG, UH, NORTHWEST HIGHWAY. 
          WE HAVE UTILITY CONFLICTS THAT PREVENTATIVE'S BEEN PUT IN OUR STREET TREES WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GO. 
          WE HAVE WRITTEN IN THE PD LANGUAGE THAT THE STREET TREES CAN BE PLACED FARTHER INTO THE SITE STILL BETWEEN US AND THE BUILDING OR THE, THE BUILDING AND THE STREET, BUT RIGHT OFF, UH, THE, THE HIGHWAY RIGHT OF WAY WHERE WE HAVE, UH, THE UTILITY CONFLICTS. 
          THE SECOND IS ALONG THE EASTERN SIDE. 
          TECHNICALLY IT'S LOCKLEAR DRIVE. 
          IT'S KIND OF A HYBRID ALLEY ROAD. 
          HISTORICALLY IT'S BEEN USED AS ACCESS TO SOME APARTMENTS THAT WERE THERE ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO IS YOU KEEP HEADING NORTH, IT TURNS INTO AN ALLEY AND UH, IT STOPS BEING A STREET ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT, ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. 
          THE, THE AREA THAT IS VACANT, UM, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED MF TWO, BUT TWO WEEKS AGO OR THREE WEEKS AGO AT YOUR LAST PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING, YOU VOTED TO SUPPORT TO REZONE THAT TO COMMERCIAL AND THAT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL NEXT WEEK. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE A RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY BUFFER THERE SHOULD THAT ZONE BE APPROVED. 
          BUT NORTH OF IT WE ABUT AN MF TWO DISTRICT THAT'S DESIGNED FOR OR DEVELOPED AT A SENIOR LIVING FACILITY THAT WOULD REQUIRE US TO PUT A RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY BUFFER AND STREET BUFFER ALONG OUR EASTERN SIDE. 
          AND THAT WOULD HINDER OUR ABILITY TO PUT PARKING IN. 
          WE'D LOSE A WHOLE ROW OF PARKING. 
          THIS USE NEEDS PARKING. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE PARKING ISSUES WHERE PEOPLE PARK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU SUPPORT A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT SO IT CAN ADDRESS THE, THE LANDSCAPING ISSUES. 
          WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, TO NICK. 
          OKAY. 
          NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'RE GOOD HERE. 
          THANK YOU ROB. 
          AND GOOD AFTERNOON GUYS. 
          MY NAME IS NICK CLARK. 
          I AM AN EAST DALLAS RESIDENT AT 79 18 GLAD CREEK COURT. 
          I'M HERE WITH MY BUSINESS PARTNER, DAWSON WILLIAMS TODAY TO PRESENT ON THIS ADAPTIVE REUSE DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE ARE TRANSFORMING A OLD VACANT MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING INTO A A NEIGHBORHOOD FAMILY CLUB. 
          AND SO JUST TO QUICKLY KIND OF, LET'S SEE HERE, WE'RE CLICK IN. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          JUST TO ORIENT YOU GUYS WITH THIS SITE REAL QUICKLY, THIS SITE IS IN LAKE HIGHLANDS. 
          IT'S JUST NORTHEAST OF WHITE ROCK LAKE ON NORTHWEST HIGHWAY. 
          UM, IT'S THREE, 3.65 ACRES IN HOUSES OF 42,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, WHICH ESSENTIALLY REALLY MAKES IT PERFECT FOR THE VISION THAT, THAT WE HAVE IN STORE FOR THE REUSE. 
          UH, JUST REAL QUICKLY ON OUR BACKGROUND, UH, DAWSON AND I, UH, HAVE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CLUB BUSINESS FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS. 
          I FOUNDED A, A NEIGHBORHOOD WORK CLUB CALLED COMMON DESK IN EAST DALLAS. 
          WE ACTUALLY STARTED IN DEEP ELLUM AND, AND WITH DAWSON'S HELP, WE WERE ABLE TO SCALE TO ABOUT 26 LOCATIONS NATIONWIDE. 
          AND WE SOLD THAT BUSINESS IN 2022 TO WEWORK. 
          UM, AND THANKFULLY THE CELL HAS ACTUALLY AFFORDED US THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS TO REALLY SPEND A LOT OF TIME WITH OUR FAMILIES. 
          DAWSON AND I BOTH ARE RESIDENTS OF EAST DALLAS. 
          LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WE BOTH HAVE YOUNG FAMILIES. 
          UH, WE BOTH HAVE TWO KIDS. 
          AND BEING PLACEMAKERS BEING, UM, PEOPLE THAT, UH, LOVE BUILDING COMMUNITIES, WE'RE NOW WANTING TO FOCUS ON THAT WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND FOR THE FAMILIES OF EAST DALLAS, WHICH IS THE HEART BEHIND THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, SO THAT KIND OF BRINGS US BACK TO THE LAND. 
          OF COURSE, AS ROB MENTIONED, WE ARE REQUESTING A PD YOU CAN SEE HERE FROM THE SITE. 
          THE SITE IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY IT IS VACANT. 
          UH, IT'S BEEN COLLECTED FOR THE LAST 20, 30 YEARS AND IT'S VERY DOMINATED BY, UH, BY CONCRETE AND OLD ASPHALT, WHICH, UH, WE ARE, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO TRANSFORMING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, AS WE STARTED STUDYING JUST THIS PROJECT AND THIS BUILDING ITSELF, UH, SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE THIS BUILDING IS A BIT OF AN EYESORE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF THE NEGLECT. 
          AND WE REALLY BELIEVE IN THE ADAPTIVE REUSE PHILOSOPHY ON THIS. 
          AND ONE OF THE REASONS IS BECAUSE OF THE RENOWNED DALLAS BASED ARCHITECT. 
          THEY ORIGINALLY DESIGNED THIS BUILDING IN 
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1965, A MAN NAMED DON WRIGHTSMAN, WHO IS A STU, A STUDENT OF FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT, UM, AND THE PRAIRIE STYLE ARCHITECTURE THAT FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT REALLY INVENTED. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE IN THESE TWO PICTURES, THERE'S A LOT OF OES TO PRAIRIE STYLE ARCHITECTURE WITH THIS BUILDING. 
          YOU'VE GOT THE HORIZONTAL LINES, YOU'VE GOT THE RICH USE OF, UM, OF VERY NATURISTIC MATERIALS AND OF COURSE, UH, THE VEGETATION, UM, WITH THE PLANTERS THROUGHOUT. 
          UM, DON WAS SURVIVED BY A SON, UH, DON JR. 
          WHO'S ACTUALLY IN THE AUDIENCE WITH US. 
          HE'LL BE SPEAKING LATER. 
          HE'S A RESIDENT OF OF LAKE HIGHLANDS. 
          HIM AND HIS FAMILY HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 30 YEARS. 
          HIS FAMILY, HIS KIDS GREW UP THERE. 
          AND UH, THEY ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE ADAPTIVE FOR USE OF THIS BUILDING AND THE FACT THAT IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE STAYING AS OPPOSED TO BEING DEMOLISHED. 
          UM, HERE'S A QUICK SHOT OF THE BUILDING AS IT IS TODAY. 
          LIKE YOU SAID, IT IS EMPTY. 
          UM, IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR A WHILE NOW. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          OKAY, THAT YOU CONCLUDES YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          DAWSON WILLIAMS. GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UM, EAST DALLAS RESIDENT AS WELL AT 7 0 4 7 PASADENA AVENUE. 
          UM, AS NICK WAS SAYING, THIS IS A SHOT OF THE BUILDING AS IT IS CURRENTLY. 
          AND HERE'S ANOTHER SHOT THAT WE'VE GOT THAT SHOWS THE BUILDING, UH, TRANSFORMED, BRINGING IN SOME OF THAT GREENERY AND BRINGING, BRINGING THE BUILDING'S NATURAL ELEMENTS BACK INTO, UH, INTO CLARITY, UM, WITH THE STONEWORK. 
          UM, AND AS WELL AS A LOOK AT OUR SITE PLAN, WHICH WE'LL TOUCH ON HERE A LITTLE BIT LATER, UH, WHICH BRINGS A LOT MORE GREENERY, UH, BACK INTO THE BUILDING. 
          UM, KIND OF WALKING EVERYBODY REAL QUICK THROUGH THE LAND USE AND WHAT'S, WHAT IS A, WHAT IS THE FAMILY CLUB LOOK LIKE? UM, OUTSIDE THE BUILDING, WE'LL HAVE ABOUT A 30,000 FOOT POOL AREA WITH BOTH A FAMILY POOL AND AN INFANT TODDLER POOL THROUGH 6,000 FEET OF GREEN SPACE. 
          UH, THINK OF THAT FOR TEA PARTIES, CAPTURE THE FLAG KIDS CAMPS. 
          UM, AND WE'VE GOT 3,500 FEET OF GREEN SPACE PLAN NORTH. 
          THAT'S REALLY AN OUTDOOR PLAYGROUND FOR BOTH BIGGER KIDS AND SMALLER ONES. 
          UM, TAKING Y'ALL REAL QUICK TO THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING, UH, AS NICK SAID, THE BUILDING'S 42,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          WE'VE GOT TWO DINING OUTLETS AND REALLY A LOT OF THE EMPHASIS ON THIS AGAIN IS FAMILY AND THE WHOLE FAMILY EXPERIENCE. 
          SO WE HAVE A DEDICATED NURSERY FOR INFANTS AND NEWBORNS. 
          WE'VE GOT A, UH, ZONE FOR OUR LITTLES, WHICH ARE ONE AND A HALF TO FOUR AND A HALF YEAR OLDS THAT'S GOT SOFT PLAY ARTS AND CRAFTS AND AN INDOOR JUNGLE GYM. 
          AND THEN THE COMMUNITY'S OFFERED A LOT OF INPUT ON THE THIRD FLOOR AND WHAT A BIG KID ZONE CAN LOOK LIKE WITH A SPORT COURT AND A NUMBER OF REALLY COOL ACTIVITIES. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE A GYM AS WELL FOR, FOR PARENTS. 
          UH, HERE'S JUST A QUICK LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER FAMILY ORIENTED CLUBS IN EAST DALLAS AND HOW MUCH MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE WE'RE ALLOCATING TO CHILDREN. 
          DALLAS, AS WE ALL KNOW, HAS ITS TOUGH WEATHER DAYS. 
          UM, AND SO HAVING SPACE FOR, FOR THE FAMILY TO HAVE ACTIVITIES TO DO AND PROGRAMMING YEAR ROUND IS CRITICAL. 
          AND WE'RE NOT JUST BIG BELIEVERS IN PROVIDING THIS SPACE, BUT SETTING IT ALIVE, GIVING IT THE MAGIC WITH A HUGE BUDGET ALLOCATED TO YOUTH PROGRAMMING AND PARTICULARS THAT KIDS KIND OF AREN'T JUST BEING PUT IN FRONT OF STUFF. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE HITTING DEVELOPMENTAL MILESTONES, MAKING FRIENDS AND FLOURISHING 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY THE HEART BEHIND THIS PROJECT. 
          UH, WE HAD OUR LAST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ABOUT A MONTH AGO. 
          WE HAD 55 ATTENDEES. 
          COUNCILWOMAN, UH, STEWART FROM DISTRICT 10 WAS IN ATTENDANCE AND COULD SPEAK TO THE POSITIVE TENOR OF THAT MEETING. 
          ADDITIONALLY, WE SET UP A WEBSITE FOR THE COMMUNITY TO VOTE WHETHER THEY WERE FOR AGAINST OR NEUTRAL ON OUR PROJECT. 
          OF THE 706 RESPONDENTS FROM EAST DALLAS, UH, WE HAD 635, SAY THEY WERE FOR IT, 68 AGAINST IT, OR, UH, 68 NEUTRAL AND THREE AGAINST IT. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE A FEW QUOTES, UH, BROUGHT TO YOU FROM NEIGHBORS IN THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AROUND US. 
          AND I, I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE MORE NEIGHBOR WHO'S ACTUALLY GONNA SPEAK TODAY. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S WHERE I'LL LEAVE IT. 
          THANK THANKS. 
          COMMISSION WILL JUST WRAP IT UP. 
          BUT VICTORIA MORRIS WITH JACKSON WALKER, 2323 ROSS AVENUE, SUITE 600 IN DALLAS. 
          VERY EXCITED TO WORK WITH A FRIEND, LONGTIME FRIEND DAWSON WILLIAMS AND HIS BUSINESS PARTNER NICK CLARK ON THIS PROJECT, A GREAT ADAPTIVE REUSE REVITALIZATION. 
          SO WITH THAT, WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AND SUPPORT FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? YES SIR. 
          YOU MIGHT HAVE TO LEAN INTO THAT MICROPHONE SO WE CAN OH, THERE WE GO. 
          UH, MY PARTNER AND I OWN THE NURSING HOME AND ASSISTED LIVING BUILDING ADJACENT TO THIS. 
          UH, AS THEY SAID, THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN AN EYESORE. 
          WE BUILT OUR BUILDING. 
          WE TORE DOWN SOME OLD APARTMENTS 15 YEARS AGO. 
          THIS BUILDING HAS LOOKED TERRIBLE EVER SINCE WE'VE BEEN THERE. 
          WE'VE, WE'RE VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THIS USE. 
          WE THINK IT'LL DRAW IN GRANDKIDS THAT OUR RESIDENTS CAN SPEND SOME TIME WITH AND IT'LL GIVE THEM SOME ACTIVITIES. 
          SO WE'RE VERY 
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MUCH IN SUPPORT OF IT AND I THINK THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS GREAT AND IT'S JUST GETTING BETTER AND BETTER WITH EACH REDEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS JESSICA BORDERLINE. 
          I LIVE AT 93 0 1 WHISTLE STOP PLACE. 
          AND I AM HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT. 
          MY HUSBAND AND I LIVE IN THE LAKE HIGHLANDS AREA AND THEY'RE THE PARENTS OF TWO YOUNG CHILDREN. 
          AND LIKE MANY OF OUR FRIENDS IN THE AREA, WE MOVED TO EAST DALLAS BECAUSE WE WANTED TO BE IN A FAMILY FRIENDLY AREA WITH GREAT SCHOOLS, BUT WE'RE ALSO ALWAYS LOOKING FOR THINGS WE CAN DO WITH OUR KIDS OR THINGS THEY CAN PARTICIPATE IN INDEPENDENT OF US. 
          BUT THE REALITY IS THAT WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT, WE END UP SPENDING MORE TIME IN THE CAR, HAVING TO HOP BETWEEN ALL THE GREAT PLACES IN OUR CITY, BUT SACRIFICING QUALITY FAMILY TIME WITH OUR TOGETHER. 
          SO WHEN WE HEARD OF THIS PROJECT, WE BECAME REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT. 
          THE IDEA OF A ONE-STOP SHOP IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, A PLACE WHERE WE CAN BRING OUR KIDS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR KNOWING THEY'RE IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT, HAVING ENRICHING EXPERIENCES CATERED TO THEIR AGES, AND WHILE WE CAN ALSO BE IN THE SAME BUILDING AS THEM, HAVING OUR OWN TIME TO BE ADULTS AND THEN BEING ABLE TO COME TOGETHER AS A FAMILY ALL UNDER ONE ROOF, THAT IS DEFINITELY THE MISSING PUZZLE PIECE IN THIS AREA AND WOULD SOLVE A PROBLEM. 
          MANY OF US IN THIS STAGE OF LIFE, LIFE FACE. 
          WE ARE ALSO EXCITED TO LEARN THAT THE DEVELOPERS OF THIS PROJECT RECOGNIZE THE HISTORY AND CHARACTER OF AN EXISTING BUILDING AND ARE REPURPOSING IT RATHER THAN TEARING IT DOWN. 
          WE WANNA SEE THAT THE CHARM OF EAST DALLAS IS BEING KEPT WHILE ALSO PROVING THE AREA IS FAMILY FIRST. 
          I ALSO BELIEVE THIS UNIQUE CONCEPT AND THE OPTIONS THEY OFFER WILL FOSTER COMMUNITY BUILDING WHEN YOU ATTRACT YOUNG FAMILIES AND GIVE THEM AN ATTAINABLE AND CONSISTENT PLACE TO BE. 
          AS THE KIDS GROW OLDER, YOU'LL END UP GIVING FAMILIES LIKE MY OWN MORE REASONS TO STAY IN THE AREA, WHICH CAN BE SO IMPORTANT AT A TIME WHEN YOUNG FAMILIES ARE TEMPTED TO MOVE TO THE SUBURBS. 
          SO YES, I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE THIS PROJECT COME TO FRUITION, NOT ONLY FOR MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS, BUT FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND GENERAL BECAUSE I REALLY BELIEVE IT COULD BE A RARE GYM IN OUR CITY, IN A PRIME LOCATION AND SOMETHING LAKE HIGHLANDS COULD BE VERY PROUD TO SAY THEY'RE DOING, TO MAKE THIS A TRULY FAMILY FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME'S BRANDON SNYDER. 
          I, UH, LIVE AT 95 24 HIGH EDGE DRIVE. 
          UM, APPRECIATE YOU LETTING ME SPEAK TO YOU TODAY. 
          UM, WE REPRESENT THE DEMOGRAPHIC THAT, UH, WILL BE UTILIZING THIS FACILITY. 
          I HAVE THREE YOUNG KIDS THAT ARE IN THE LAKE COLLINS ELEMENTARY, UH, I'M SORRY, WHITE ROCK ELEMENTARY AND, UH, LAKE COLLINS JUNIOR HIGH AND HIGH SCHOOL ATTENDANCE DISTRICT. 
          I'VE LIVED IN EAST DALLAS STARTING IN M STREETS FOR, UH, OVER 12 YEARS NOW AND IN LAKE HIGHLANDS FOR, UH, THE, THE PAST, UH, 11. 
          UM, I COULD TELL YOU JUST TO ECHO ON WHAT SOME OF THESE FOLKS HAVE SAID. 
          THIS HAS BEEN AN EYESORE IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR, FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN THERE. 
          I'VE DRIVEN BY IT FOR OVER 10 YEARS, WONDERING WHAT IT IS AND IF IT'S EVEN OPEN. 
          UH, IT'S BEEN RUN DOWN AND, AND OVERGROWN AND, AND, UH, CHANGE IS NEEDED. 
          UM, WE LOVE OUR COMMUNITY AND IT'S A FAMILY, FAMILY BASED COMMUNITY. 
          AND, UH, THAT'S WHY WE, WHY WE MOVE THERE. 
          AND, UH, WE ARE INVESTED IN THIS, IN THIS COMMUNITY AND, AND LOVE IT, AND THINK THAT THIS WILL, UH, WILL TRULY BE THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THIS, OF THIS PROPERTY. 
          I COMMEND NICK AND DAWSON FOR, FOR HAVING THE VISION TO TRANSFORM THIS, THIS INTO, UM, UH, WHAT WE HOPE IT WILL TRANSFORM INTO. 
          UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE EXCITEMENT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT THIS IS, IS REAL. 
          IT'S GENUINE. 
          UM, AND, UH, VERY EXCITED TO, UH, TO SEE THIS PROJECT COME, COME TO FRUITION. 
          UM, AS IS THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I'VE NOT HEARD A SINGLE NEGATIVE, UM, UH, SENTIMENT ABOUT THIS PROJECT. 
          SO THANK YOU AND, UH, HOPE THAT THIS GETS APPROVED. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          MY NAME IS DON WRIGHTSMAN. 
          I RESIDE AT 9 2 4 0 MEADOW GLEN DRIVE, UM, MILE AND A HALF MAYBE FROM THIS PROPERTY, WHICH MY FATHER DESIGNED CLOSE TO MY HEART. 
          BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. 
          THEY CALL IT AN EYESORE. 
          IT'S, IT'S A ARCHITECTURAL GYM, AND I CANNOT WAIT TO SEE IT IF THIS GETS APPROVED TO BE, TO BE REBORN FOR A NEW USE. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, ALEX LOWE, 32 36 
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BASIL COURT DALLAS, UH, FELLOW EAST TEXAS. 
          UH, EAST DALLAS RESIDENT. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY. 
          I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY WHOLEHEARTED SUPPORT FOR NICK AND DAWSON'S REQUEST FOR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. 
          THIS ISN'T JUST A MATTER OF APPROVING A DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S ABOUT INVESTING IN PEOPLE WHO TRULY EMBODY THE VALUES OF COMMUNITY AND SERVICE TO OTHERS. 
          NICK AND DAWSON ARE NOT JUST DEVELOPERS, THEY'RE NEIGHBORS, RESIDENTS, AND YOUNG FATHERS WHO ARE COMMITTED TO BUILDING A BETTER FUTURE FOR ALL OF US. 
          THROUGH THEIR PREVIOUS PROFESSIONAL WORK AT COMMON DESK AND THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY'VE CONSISTENTLY PROVEN THEIR DEDICATION TO STRENGTHENING THE BONDS THAT MAKE OUR COMMUNITY VIBRANT AND WELCOMING. 
          THEY AREN'T SOME OUT OF TOWN DEVELOPERS. 
          THEY BOTH LIVE IN EAST DALLAS AMONG THE PEOPLE THEY AIM TO SERVE, WHICH GIVES THEM AN UNPARALLELED UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS. 
          THEIR TRACK RECORD SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. 
          NICK AND DAWSON HAVE SPENT THEIR WHOLE CAREERS CREATING SPACES WHERE PEOPLE CONNECT, COLLABORATE, AND GROW. 
          PLACES WHERE COMMUNITIES DON'T JUST MEET BUT THRIVE. 
          THEIR PRIOR PROJECTS HAVE ALWAYS PRIORITIZED FOSTERING RELATIONSHIPS AND CREATING HUBS WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME TOGETHER. 
          AND IN A WORLD WHERE GENUINE CONNECTION IS BECOMING HARDER TO FIND THEIR VISION COULDN'T BE MORE IMPORTANT. 
          AS YOUNG FATHERS, THEY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF BUILDING SPACES THAT NURTURE FAMILIES AND CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. 
          THEY AREN'T JUST DESIGNING SPACES FOR TODAY. 
          THEY'RE DESIGN, THEY'RE CREATING LEGACIES FOR TOMORROW WITH THOUGHTFUL PLANNING THAT REFLECTS THEIR ROLES AS BOTH COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND ROLE MODELS. 
          DALLAS NEEDS MORE PLACES FOR FAMILIES TO GATHER SAFE, WELCOMING ENVIRONMENTS THAT INSPIRE COLLABORATION, CREATIVITY, AND BELONGING. 
          NICK AND DAWSON'S PROJECT IS MORE THAN A ZONING REQUEST. 
          IT'S A STEP TOWARDS ENSURING OUR CITY REMAINS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE, WORK, AND RAISE FAMILIES. 
          I RESPECTFULLY URGE YOU TO APPROVE THIS CHANGE AND SUPPORT TWO INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE NOT ONLY HIGHLY CAPABLE, BUT DEEPLY COMMITTED TO THE BETTERMENT OF DALLAS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. BALDWIN. 
          I, I THINK I KEPT TRACK OF ALL THE NAMES, BUT ARE ANY OF THESE FOLKS ONLINE? NOT HERE. 
          REGISTERED SPEAKERS? JORGE ONE. 
          MS. NIXON, I THINK YOU'RE ON LINE. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY NAME IS JENNIFER NIXON AND MY ADDRESS IS 8 6 0 5 SAN SUSHI DRIVE. 
          I LIVE IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THE PROPERTY, UM, ON THE CORNER OF SAN SUSHI AND LAIER DRIVE. 
          UM, I DO, I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT AND I'M REALLY GLAD TO HEAR THAT THEY WILL BE, UM, PLANNING TO KEEP THE BUILDING 'CAUSE IT IS A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. 
          UM, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS THOUGH, AND I'VE BROUGHT THEM UP BEFORE. 
          UM, I KNOW MY ONE BIG CONCERN I HAVE IS FOR PARKING. 
          I KNOW THERE ARE, UM, LOTS OF SPOTS. 
          I BELIEVE IT IS TWO 80, UM, ONE SPACE FOR TWO 80 SQUARE FEET. 
          I DO HAVE A CONCERN TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS ENOUGH PARKING ON SITE FOR THE MEMBERS AND VISITORS THAT WILL BE, UM, ATTENDING AND VISITING THE CLUB SO THAT, UM, WE DON'T HAVE OFF STREET PARKING ON, UH, LOCKHAVEN LAIER OR, UM, SAN SUSHI AND OTHER DRIVES. 
          UM, THAT IS A BIG CONCERN THAT I'VE SEEN WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA ON, UH, LOW WATER AND ALSO, UM, ON SHOREVIEW FROM DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PARKING WILL BE ADEQUATE FOR THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS AND VISITORS. 
          UM, I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING BUFFER IN THE BACK THAT IS ALONG MY PROPERTY. 
          UM, CURRENTLY IT IS IN TERRIBLE CONDITION AND, UM, FULL OF POISON IVY AND VERY UNKEMPT. 
          AND ALSO, UM, PEOPLE, WHETHER IT'S FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR NOT, 
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IT IS A DUMPING GROUND FOR BULK TRASH. 
          AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS, UM, BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE DEVELOPERS AND ALSO THAT THAT WILL BE, UM, SOMETHING THAT THEY WILL KEEP TRACK OF AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT AREA IS TAKEN CARE OF. 
          AND THEN MY THIRD CONCERN IS FOR THE STORM DRAIN THAT RUNS RIGHT UNDER THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, WHEN WE HAVE HEAVY RAINS, THERE IS FLOODING AND I WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT THERE IS FLOODING AND THE CITY MAY NEED TO ADDRESS THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THE STORM DRAIN IS APPROPRIATE, WHICH IT IS NOT RIGHT NOW FOR THE, UM, FOR THAT AREA. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          UH, MR. WILLIAMS. GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, JAMES WILLIAMS. I LIVE AT 86 0 8 SAN SUI DRIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM MS. NIXON. 
          UM, AS FAR AS RESIDENTIAL BOUNDARY, I'M ON THE, UH, NORTH SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY AND HAVE THE LONGEST RESIDENTIAL BOUNDARY WITH THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, AS YOU HEARD FROM, UH, ALAN NALL EARLIER, UH, OF COURSE I BOUND HIS PROPERTY, UH, ON THE EAST SIDE. 
          AND WE ALL ARE VERY IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT. 
          UH, I'VE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S, UM, THERE'S A HISTORICAL CONTEXT HERE, AS I LIKE TO SAY, IN DALLAS, UH, BECAUSE OF ALL OUR SUCCESS, WE'RE NOW VICTIMS OF OUR SUCCESS. 
          AND I'M SURE ALL THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS UNDERSTAND THAT IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          'CAUSE YOU DEAL WITH IT EVERY DAY OR EVERY TIME YOU MEET. 
          BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, UH, THERE'S WRONG DEVELOPMENT AND RIGHT DEVELOPMENT, AT LEAST IN MY MIND. 
          AND THIS IS A, A RIGHT DEVELOPMENT ONE, AS YOU HEARD FROM MR. WRIGHTMAN AND FROM, UH, NICK AND FROM DAWSON. 
          YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING THAT BUILDING, CLEANING IT UP, DOING A LITTLE FACE WASH, ALL OF THAT WILL MAINTAIN THAT GREAT ARCHITECTURAL, UH, HISTORY. 
          AND, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DALLAS IN GENERAL, UH, HAS GOTTEN AWAY FROM IS HOW TO PRESERVE THAT HISTORY OF THE CITY. 
          AND IN THIS AREA, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          'CAUSE IF YOU START AND SAY, WHAT WAS THIS AREA BEFORE? IT WAS A RANCH OWNED BY, UM, A, UH, GREAT TEXAN, UH, BB OWEN. 
          UH, IT WAS THEN SUBDIVIDED AND THERE WERE DEVELOPMENTS PREVIOUS TO WHERE ALAN KNOW'S PROPERTY IS, UH, THAT WERE APARTMENTS. 
          THEY WERE TAKEN DOWN EVENTUALLY BECAUSE THEY WERE IN DISREPAIR. 
          UH, AND WHAT ALAN AND HIS TEAM HAS, UH, HAS BEEN A GREAT ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO WHEN YOU ADD THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SO MANY YOUNG FAMILIES AND THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO GO, AS YOU HEARD FROM ONE OF THE SPEAKERS EARLIER, THEY GOTTA GET IN A CAR AND GO, THIS IS A VERY NEIGHBORHOOD WALKABLE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM, SAFETY FOR THEIR KIDS. 
          AND I THINK, UH, AS YOU LOOK AT THIS, AND I'M SURE THERE'S SOME OPPOSITION OUT THERE, BUT I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAYS, THIS IS REALLY GREAT. 
          THERE ARE TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT, AS MS. NIXON TALKED ABOUT, THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          AND I BELIEVE IN THE ALLEYWAY AND WHAT'S CONSIDERED THE LOCKLEAR, UH, EXTENSION, UH, LIGHTING. 
          AND ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED, UH, BECAUSE FAMILIES WILL WALK THE ALLEY, UH, TO GET INTO THE ENTRANCE OF THIS PLACE. 
          SO AGAIN, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT AND, UH, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND, UH, ALLOW ME TO SPEAK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. 
          UM, I WAS GONNA ASK MR. BALDWIN TO DISCUSS WITH US JUST FOR A MINUTE, THE LANDSCAPE SITUATION. 
          UM, WE'RE, THE REQUEST IS REALLY NOT TO REDUCE LANDSCAPE. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAVE MORE GREEN SPACE ON THIS SITE THAN WE HAVE TODAY. 
          JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT'S ABOUT THE LANDSCAPE SETBACK ON THE EAST SIDE OF BUDDING COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? THERE'S TWO, TWO LOCATIONS. 
          FIRST OF ALL, UM, AS NICK OR OR DAWSON SAID, WE ARE CREATING AN EXTRA 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF OPEN AREA ON THE PROPERTY THAT WHAT IS CURRENTLY PARKING. 
          WE ARE ENHANCING THE LANDSCAPE AND RESIDENTIAL JCC BUFFERS ON OUR WEST SIDE AND OUR NORTH SIDE TO BE MORE ROBUST AND IS REQUIRED. 
          THE PROBLEM IS ALONG THE EAST SIDE, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ROOM TO PUT THE FULL LANDSCAPE BUFFER THERE. 
          AND ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE, UM, WHERE 
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WE HAVE UTILITY CONFLICTS AND WE'RE ASKING THAT OUR TREE STREET TREE REQUIREMENT GIVE US FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE THE TREES CLOSER TO THE BUILDING. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN SPEAKING WITH, WITH JENNIFER AND OTHER PEOPLE AND STAFF AND THE IT, THE BEAUTY IS I THINK THAT STAFF AND THE APPLICANT WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT OF THAT THIS IS A GOOD IDEA AND THEY LIKE TO DESIGN IS JUST HOW DO WE GET THERE. 
          WE ARE REALLY AGNOSTIC WHERE WE DO, UH, AN SUP OR A PD PROVIDED THAT THE SUP CAN GIVE US THE RELIEF TO THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS THAT WE NEED. 
          UH, I KNOW JENNIFER'S TRYING TO MAKE THAT WORK. 
          I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE MY CLIENT IS PROTECTED, THAT WHEN WE LEAVE THIS ROOM, SHOULD WE BE AGAIN, UH, SUPPORT THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY CAN BUILD WHAT THEY NEED TO BUILD. 
          BECAUSE PARKING'S GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT ON THIS. 
          AS THE GENERAL SAID, THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, AN AREA THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE COMING TO, SOME WILL BE WALKING DOWN THE ALLEY, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE ENOUGH PARKING WHERE PEOPLE DON'T PARK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND WE'VE COMMITTED TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE ENOUGH PARKING. 
          AND IF WE CAN'T MEET THE LAND, IF WE HAVE TO MEET A LANDSCAPING BUFFER ALONG THE EAST SIDE, WE'RE GONNA LOSE 2025 PARKING SPACES, WHICH IS A WHOLE LOT. 
          WHICH WAS THE ISSUE THAT MS. NIXON IDENTIFIED A MOMENT AGO WHEN SHE WAS ON, SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT OVERFLOW INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE SAID THAT, THAT BY HAVING A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY ON THAT, PARTICULARLY ON THE EAST SIDE SETBACK, THEN WE CAN PROVIDE THE ADEQUATE PARKING YEAH. 
          FOR, FOR THE USE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP FOR YOU, MR. BALLWIN. 
          I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD THE QUESTION, UH, AT THE BRIEFING, UH, YOU KNOW, OFTEN GET ACCUSED OF OVERSIMPLIFYING THINGS. 
          SO WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR SITE PLAN, I KNOW YOU, YOU HAVE SOME REALLY SMART DESIGNERS TO, YOU KNOW, TO PUT PLACES WHERE THEY THINK THEY SHOULD GO IN TERMS OF THE AMENITIES, THE OUTDOOR AMENITIES. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR SITE PLAN, IT SEEMS TO BE, IT WOULD BE THE OBVIOUS TO HAVE WHAT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF YOUR PROPERTY ON THE EAST SIDE, LETTING COMMERCIAL, AS COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT MENTIONED, INSTEAD OF THE SINGLE FAMILY, I'LL TAKE THE FIRST HALF AND IT IS NOT THAT WAY. 
          SO I'M ASSUMING THERE'S A VERY GOOD REASON WHY, WHY IT'S NOT. 
          YEAH, I'M GONNA DO IT. 
          THE PLANNER'S VERSION OF IT, THEN TURN IT OVER TO, TO NICK TO TELL. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE HE, HE'S, HE'S LIVED THIS PROJECT FOR A YEAR. 
          SO OUR A OUR ONLY ACCESS IS FROM THE EAST. 
          IF WE FLIP EVERYTHING AND PUT THE AMENITIES WHERE THE, WHERE THE CHILDREN AND EVERYTHING IS PE THE, THE CARS ARE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE AMENITIES CENTER AREA TO GET TO THE PARKING LOT. 
          THE WAY IT'S SET UP NOW, IT'S SEGREGATED, THEN THE KIDS ARE AWAY FROM THE COMMERCIAL AREA AND, UH, OUT OF CAR CIRCULATION PATH. 
          SO THAT'S THE PLANNER IN ME TALKING. 
          I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER AND, AND LET YOU TELL ME WHAT, WHAT I MISSED. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING IT PRETTY MUCH RIGHT? I MEAN, WE, WE DID, WE ACTUALLY STARTED THE PLAN WITH THE, THE POOL AND THE RECREATIONAL AREA ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT SITE PLAN. 
          UM, LOGICALLY IT SEEMS TO MAKE MORE SENSE, UM, FROM AN EFFICIENCY STANDPOINT. 
          WE LOST, UH, A LITTLE OVER 20 PARKING SPACES ON SITE BY PUTTING IT OVER THERE. 
          AND THAT WAS MAINLY DUE TO LOCK YOUR BEING THE INGRESS EGRESS, YOU KNOW, INTO THE SITE. 
          AND SO FROM AN EFFICIENCY STANDPOINT, IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO PUT THE RE RECREATIONAL AREA ON THE WEST SIDE. 
          IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT FOR THE CHILDREN, KEEPING THEM AS FAR OFF OF ANY SORT OF INGRESS, EGRESS AS FAR OFF, OFF OF THE ROADWAYS MAKES THE MOST SENSE AS WELL. 
          AND SO THAT, THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, MR. BALDWIN, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES, UM, ARE ACTUALLY BEING PROVIDED HERE? I KNOW WHAT THE RATIO IS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A, YOU KNOW, SITE PLAN. 
          SO HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE YOU BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE? WE HAVE 196 SPACES ON SITE IN THAT CURRENT PLAN. 
          WE ACTUALLY ENGAGED, UH, CHRISTY LAMBETH TO HELP WITH A PARKING STUDY FOR US, WHICH, UM, CAME BACK AT A LITTLE OVER 180 SPACES NEEDED. 
          AND SO IT'S, IT HAS, YOU KNOW, BEING WHAT JENNIFER SHARED EARLIER AND WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM A, A FEW OF THE NEIGHBORS, AND FOR THE BUSINESS PLAN ITSELF, IT'S, IT'S BEEN HARD TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MAXIMIZING THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          I I, I'VE GOT A FEW MORE QUESTIONS. 
          UH, IS IT YOUR INTENTION, SIR, TO PUT ANY GAME COURTS ON THIS PROPERTY? NO, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, YOU KNOW, HAS THE, UH, AMENITY AREAS, UH, DIVIDED UP INTO MULTIPLE AREAS, YOU KNOW, SHARING THAT PROPERTY LINE WITH RESIDENTIAL TO THE WEST, IT LOOKED AS IF IT COULD BE GAME COURTS. 
          I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, I'LL ASK STAFF IF THE DEFINITION OF AMENITY AREA ACTUALLY INCLUDES GAME COURTS. 
          I, I CAN'T TELL. 
          I KNOW WE'RE STILL IN THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN PHASE, BUT YOU SAW THAT THERE, THE SITE PLAN WAS IN THAT PRESENTATION, WHICH IS REALLY CLOSE TO WHAT WILL BE THE FINAL PLAN PRESENTED IN THE NEXT STEPS OF THIS. 
          UM, THERE ARE NO GAME COURTS PLANNED OUTSIDE. 
          WE SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE THE SPACE FOR 'EM. 
          AND FROM WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY'RE TOO LOUD, UH, AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, 'CAUSE MY, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A 
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FABULOUS PROJECT. 
          MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE FOR THE NEIGHBORS. 
          YOU, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU SHARE A PROPERTY LINE ON THE WEST WITH THE BACKYARDS OF SIX HOMES. 
          AND WITH THE AMENITIES, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE A POOL AND SOME, YOU KNOW, GREEN AREA FOR, FOR I GUESS, CHILDREN TO PLAY. 
          UM, WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING WHEN YOU HAVE AMPLIFIED OUTDOOR MUSIC? YOU KNOW, NORMALLY WE ARE WRITING PROHIBITIONS OR SEVERE LIMITATIONS ON AMPLIFIED OUTDOOR MUSIC WHEN YOU'RE, WE'RE CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO HOW ARE YOU, UM, GOING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, REDUCE ANY POSSIBLE, UM, INTERFERENCE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE'S ENJOYMENT OF THEIR HOMES TO THE, TO THE WEST THERE? YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, AND AS ROB MENTIONED EARLIER, THE WESTERN, UH, LANDSCAPE BUFFER. 
          UH, WHAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT IS IN, IN, IN EXCESS OF, OF WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES. 
          UM, IN ADDITION, WE'VE GOT WRITTEN INTO THE PD SUBMISSION THAT ANY AMBIENT MUSIC PLAYED OUTSIDE WILL BE CUT OFF AT 9:00 PM AS WELL AS ANY OF THE ACTIVITIES. 
          LIKE WE, WE WILL NOT CONDONE SWIMMING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AFTER 9:00 PM. 
          UM, AND EVEN THE SPEAKERS THEMSELVES OF MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE LOW TO THE GROUND OR ON THE GROUND AND FACING AWAY FROM THE HOMES ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, BEING THAT THOSE ARE OUR NEIGHBORS AND THOSE ARE ALSO THE FAMILIES THAT ARE OUR CUSTOMERS FOR THIS PROJECT, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE ARE BUILDING THIS THING IN A WAY THAT SATISFIES. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS? NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? UH, YES. 
          FOR STAFF, COULD YOU TELL ME IF THIS DEFINITION OF AMENITY AREA WOULD INCLUDE, WOULD ALLOW THE BUILDING OF GAME COURTS? UH, THE DEFINITION THAT'S PROVIDED IN THE PD CONDITIONS AS I READ IT, DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY ALLOW FOR GAME COURTS. 
          HOWEVER, THE DEFINITION OF THE BROADER PRIVATE RECREATION CENTER, CLUB, OR AREA USE, THAT DOES ALLOW FOR GAME COURTS. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THIS PARTICULAR DEFINITION DOES NOT, OR DOES THE BROADER DEFINITION APPLY? WHAT, I MEAN, WE HAVE ASSOCIATED STRUCTURES AND FIXTURES. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE LAND WITH THAT, AS I WOULD INTERPRET IT, LOOKING AT THIS WITH, IF YOU'RE USING THE PD CONDITIONS AND THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, IF THIS CONCEPTUAL PLAN WERE ADOPTED AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOLLOWS IT AS WELL. 
          ANYTHING THAT'S LABELED AS AMENITY AREA WOULD ONLY ALLOW WHAT IS DEFINED AS AN AMENITY AREA IN THE PD, WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE GAME COURTS. 
          ANY THANKS, RUBEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE WHO, IF THIS SHOULD GO TO MR. BA OR MAYBE MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE, UM, LIKE THE, LIKE THE ARBORIST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT, UM, I GUESS THE APPLICANT IS ASSERTING THAT THEY NEED RELIEF FROM CERTAIN LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS AND TO DO THAT, THAT'S WHY THEY NEED THE, THE PD AS OPPOSED TO THE SUP. 
          SO I, I JUST WANTED TO RUN THAT ASSERTION BY, BY Y'ALL TO SEE IF, IF YOU CONCUR WITH THAT OR IF THERE IS AN AVENUE TO RELIEF THROUGH THE SUP OR SOME SORT OF OTHER, YOU KNOW, ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURE. 
          THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION THAT, UH, WE HAVE BEEN KIND OF, UH, DISCUSSING ACTUALLY OVER THE LAST HOUR WITH, UH, UH, OUR COUNSEL AS WELL AS WITH THE, UH, ARBORIST STAFF TURNING TOWARDS COUNSEL OR JENNIFER. 
          YEAH. 
          CAN I, I'LL GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THAT. 
          UM, SO THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE, IN ARTICLE 10 THAT ALLOWS, UH, COUNSEL TO APPROVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT IS REASONABLY CON CONSISTENT WITH ARTICLE 10. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE, UH, HANNAH SOSNOWSKI ON THE LINE. 
          SHE'S WITH CITY ARBORIST OFFICE AND WAS GOING TO ADDRESS THE OUTSTANDING CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE HERE AND HOW THEY MIGHT BE MITIGATED IF HANNAH, DO WE HAVE YOU ON THE LINE? SOME, I THINK WE MIGHT NEED TO MAKE HER A PANELIST OR, OKAY. 
          HELLO, CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? WE CAN. 
          HI, MY NAME'S HANNAH. 
          UM, AS JENNIFER SAID, I'M ONE OF THE ARBORISTS WITH PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, JENNIFER, DID YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION YOU WANTED ME TO ADDRESS? UM, VICE CHAIR RUBIN, UM, WAS ASKING ABOUT, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT THE REASON THAT THEY NEED AN SUP, I MEAN A PD IN LIEU OF AN SUP IS BECAUSE, UH, THE SUP PROCESS CANNOT OFFER RELIEF TO, UH, THE LANDSCAPE ISSUES THAT THEY'RE HAVING ON THE SITE. 
          AND I WONDER IF YOU COULD ADDRESS QUICKLY WHAT THOSE REMAINING 
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ISSUES ARE AND HOW THEY MIGHT BE ADDRESSED VIA THE SUP PROCESS. 
          SO, UM, ARTICLE 10 ALLOWS FOR, AS JENNIFER EXPLAINED, UM, A EXCEPTIONS TO THE BASE CODE WITH, UH, PLAN APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, WHICH WOULD BE THROUGH THE SEP PROCESS. 
          AND, UM, WE WERE DISCUSSING OVER THE LAST HOUR, UH, REASONABLY CONSISTENT WITH THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE SITE. 
          AND SO, UM, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, UM, ROB HAD MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THEY HAD SOME UTILITY CONFLICTS ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, AND THERE IS A WATER LINE THAT RUNS ALONG THERE THAT WOULD RESTRICT PLANTING THERE. 
          AND SO I THINK THEY PROPOSED MOVING THOSE TO THE BUILDING FACADE. 
          UM, SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, A REASONABLE EXCEPTION TO THE CODE THAT THEY COULD NOT, UM, PLANT THERE DUE TO THE UNDERGROUND LINES AND THEN THE RESIDENTIAL BUFFER ZONE ALONG THE EASTERN SIDE THERE. 
          SEEKING EXCEPTIONS TO, IF I'M CORRECT, UM, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT ARTICLE 10, WELL, ARTICLE 10 ASKED FOR AN AVERAGE OF 10 FEET FOR THE RESIDENTIAL BUFFER ZONE WITH A MINIMUM OF FIVE AND A MAXIMUM OF 30 FEET, I BELIEVE ALONG LOCK KEY DRIVE THAT WITH THE ADDITION OF A COUPLE OF LANDSCAPE ISLANDS, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CONFIGURE A DESIGN THAT WOULD MEET THE RESIDENTIAL BUFFERS AND REQUIREMENTS WITH ONLY LOSING A MINIMUM OF MAYBE THREE OR FOUR PARKING SPACES. 
          DOES THAT ANSWER Y'ALL'S QUESTIONS? UH, THAT'S, THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          I DO HAVE SOME FOLLOW UP THERE. 
          UM, ON THE, THE PROCESS FOR, I GUESS, MODIFYING LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE PHRASE, REASONABLY EQUIVALENT OR REASONABLY CONSISTENT WITH ARTICLE 10, REASONABLY CONSISTENT WITH ARTICLE 10, WHO MAKES THAT DETERMINATION? IS IT THE CITY COUNCIL OR IS IT SOME SORT OF STAFF REVIEW AFTER COUNCIL PASSES A ZONING ORDINANCE? YEAH, SO IF IT'S, I MEAN, IF IT'S, IF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IS BROUGHT AS PART OF THE SUP APPLICATION, I GUESS FIRST IT WOULD BE A STAFF ASSESSMENT, AND THEN IT WOULD BE A CPC ASSESSMENT AND THEN ULTIMATELY A COUNCIL ASSESSMENT TO ALL AGREE THAT IT WAS REASONABLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT ARTICLE 10 WOULD REQUIRE. 
          SO WE'RE HERE TODAY AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, SCP APPLICANT HAS A PD REQUEST WITH A, INCLUDING A LANDSCAPE PLAN, RIGHT? OR, OR THERE'S NO LANDSCAPE PLAN IN THE, THERE'S NOT A LANDSCAPE PLAN. 
          WE HAVE TEXT IN THE PD OKAY. 
          THAT ADDRESSES THE LANDSCAPE DEFICIENCIES. 
          SO WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO IS GET AN SUP SITE PLAN AND A LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND THEN COULD WE EVEN, COULD WE EVEN APPROVE THAT TODAY OR WOULD THAT REQUIRE US TO, I MEAN, IF YOU WERE TO, UM, GO WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF, UM, AN SUP IN LIEU OF THE PD, IT COULD BE SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION THAT THERE'S A SITE PLAN AND A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT'S REASONABLY CONSISTENT WITH ARTICLE 10, AND IT WOULD STILL NEED TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER. 
          UM, TO, TO ASK TO, TO ASK, I ASK IT IN A QUESTION. 
          DID NOT, WE DID NOT, WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, UH, IN, UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIS, UH, DISTRICT COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO AS IT RELATES TO THE GAS STATION AT EMAN 1 75 THAT WE HAD TO, WELL, THEY LOOKED, THEY LOOKED, UM, THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH LANDSCAPING AND THEY CAME BACK WITH, UH, CITY ATTORNEY, UH, AND FOUND OUT THAT THEY, WITH THAT LANDSCAPING PLAN, THAT WE COULD MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MEET THAT LANDSCAPING PLAN. 
          UH, WHEN THE ORIGINAL LANDSCAPING, A, ACCORDING TO ARTICLE 10, I'M GETTING AN AFFIRMATIVE FROM MICHAEL, THAT YES, WE DID HAVE THAT PLAN RE THAT CASE RECENTLY WHERE THAT WAS THE CASE, CORRECT. 
          AND WE WERE ABLE TO PASS IT AND THEN IT BY THE TIME IT MADE TO COUNSEL. 
          AM I CORRECT? YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          IF I, IF I COULD JUST REAL QUICK ON THE, THE ONLY, THE ONLY EXCEPTION THAT WOULD BE MADE HERE IS THE STREET FRONTAGE, AND THAT IS A REASONABLE EXCEPTION BASED ON THE FACT THAT THERE'S A UTILITY CONFLICT. 
          THE OTHER, THE OTHER PORTION OF THIS THAT'S ALONG THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE WOULD ACTUALLY REQUIRE THE INSTALLATION OF A COUPLE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS. 
          SO THE EXCEPTION WOULD BE ALONG THE FRONT, THE EASTERN WOULD REQUIRE TWO LANDSCAPE ISLANDS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          WOULD THE SEP PROCESS ALLOW US TO ALLOW THE DEFINITION OF AMENITY AREA TO BE INCLUDED? IT'S IN THE PD. 
          UH, YES. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SLEEPER. 
          SO, AT THE, AT THE RISK OF, UH, OFFENDING SOMEBODY 
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ON STAFF, I'M NOT SURE WHO THAT WOULD BE. 
          . 
          UM, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GREATLY ENDORSED. 
          WE HAVE, UH, IT'S A TREMENDOUSLY CREATIVE IDEA. 
          AND, UH, THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING BETWEEN, UH, WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW AND GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE THESE GUYS CAN GET GOING ON THIS PROJECT IS THIS QUESTION OF RESOLVING WHETHER IT'S DONE BY AN SUP OR A PD. 
          AND WHILE I'M HEARING THAT THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS WE COULD DO TO TWEAK THE SUP PROCESS TO ALLOW THE LANDSCAPE EXCEPTION TO BE WORKED AROUND, IS IT REALLY CREATING A TREMENDOUS PROBLEM JUST TO ALLOW THIS TO GO AND, AND I HAVE TO DEFER TO COMMISSIONER HOUSE RIGHT ON THIS, BUT IF IT WENT FORWARD AS A PD INSTEAD OF AN SUP, IS THAT REALLY GONNA BE A, A, A BIG PROBLEM FOR OUR FOLKS THAT, UH, REPRESENT US SO WELL ON THE CITY STAFF? I, I WOULD JUST ASK IS IF SOMEONE COULD CLARIFY WHAT PD NUMBER THIS WOULD BE, 3,752, OR, I'M SORRY. 
          I REALLY, I MEAN, NO DISRESPECT, AND I UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF YOUR QUESTION. 
          I I UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION WE'RE IN, BUT WE HAVE AN EXCESSIVE NUMBER OF PDS, AND I THINK THE EFFORT IS IF WE CAN DO THINGS VIA THE BASE CODE, THAT'S ALWAYS PREFERABLE BECAUSE IT'S EASIER ON INTERPRETATION AND IMPLEMENTATION WHEN WE GET TO THE PERMITTING SIDE. 
          1,124. 
          1,124. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS OVER BY A COUPLE THOUSAND. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          I I'LL HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. RAY. 
          UM, SO IS IT JUST NOT A JUDGMENT CALL FOR THIS BODY, UH, TAKEN OUTSIDE? IT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THESE PROJECTS GO THROUGH A PROCESS AND FIRST WE HAVE THAT BINARY QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          NO, IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT I'M HEARING THAT, THAT THIS PROJECT HAS PASSED THAT, SO HOW DO WE GET TO WHERE WE WANT TO TO BE, AND WE HAVE A PROPOSAL HERE AND NOW THAT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE. 
          OR IS IT JUST A JUDGE MCCONNELL OUR PART? I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S, YES. 
          I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S A JUDGMENT CALL ON THE, UH, ON THE COMMISSION'S PART. 
          WE STAFF IS COMPLETELY IN SUPPORT OF THE USE ITSELF. 
          IT SOUNDS FANTASTIC HERE, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS DISTRICT, UH, THE L OH ONE DISTRICT HAS ALWAYS ALLOWED TO SOME EXTENT, JUST THROUGH SEP VERSUS A PD. 
          UM, I WOULD SAY THAT IN TERMS OF THE NECESSITY OF A PD, WE DO FEEL THAT THE PD IS NOT, I HATE TO USE A WORD TWICE IN A ROW, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY NECESSARY THAT IT COULD BE RESOLVED THROUGH THE SUP PROCESS WITH A, IF, IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO COME WITH A SITE PLAN AND A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT ADDRESSES THESE CONCERNS. 
          UH, THAT BEING SAID, IT'S, IT IS A VERY, IT, IT'S A BIT OF A MARGINAL THING EITHER WAY, BUT OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE FOR AN SEP, UM, FOLLOWING BASE CODE WERE APPROPRIATE JUST AS, UH, MS. HOLGAR MENTIONED, BUT IT'S EASIER FOR PERMITTING STAFF DOWN THE ROAD. 
          GOTCHA. 
          AND THEN, UH, FOLLOW UP, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT COMMISSIONER HOUSER, WHICH DIRECTION HE WANTS TO TAKE. 
          AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST A JUDGMENT CALL. 
          THIS BODY DOESN'T DO IT FREQUENTLY, BUT OCCASIONALLY WE, WE DO, UH, HAVE PROJECTS THAT HAVE LAST MINUTE I'S TO BE DOTTED AND T'S TO BE CROSSED. 
          IT HAPPENS AT COUNCIL, NOT FREQUENTLY, BUT IT DOES HAPPEN. 
          IS THAT NOT TRUE? YES, COMMISSIONER? YES, SIR. 
          NO, I WAS JUST GONNA ADD THAT, YES, REMEMBER, S EXCEPT FOR THOSE FEW CIRCUMSTANCES WHEN THEIR PARKING IS ALLOWED TO BE REDUCED, UH, WHERE LANDSCAPING IS ALLOWED TO BE REDUCED FOR OUR PLAN, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED AT LENGTH, UH, SUP CAN DO A TON OF THE SAME THINGS THAT YOU MAY CONSIDER, UM, AS RESTRICTIVE TO, TO PUT CERTAIN GUIDE RAILS ON A PROJECT AS YOU CAN WITH AN SUP. 
          SO AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW MANY PDS WE HAVE, HOW ADDING DEFINITIONS, ADDING NEW INTERPRETATIONS, HOW, UM, NEW MOVING PARTS WITH HOW THEY INTERACT WITH, UM, DISTRICTS NEARBY. 
          WE HAVE A ZONING CODE THAT IS, UH, TO A DEGREE REACTIVE TO DISTRICTS THAT ARE NEARBY THAT DOES NOT ALWAYS GEL WELL WITH CREATING NEW DEFINITIONS, NEW INTERPRETATIONS. 
          AND AT THIS POINT, IF WE PASS, IF WE, ALL WE DO IS RECOMMEND AN SUP SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND A LANDSCAPE PLAN, THOSE COULD BE PRODUCED REASONABLY IN THAT TIME REVIEWED BY STAFF. 
          AND I MEAN, IT'S DECEMBER AFTER ALL, THESE ARE NOT GONNA GO TO COUNCIL IMMEDIATELY AND THEN BE RECOMMENDED ON, AND THAT GETS THEM THE RELIEF THAT THEY NEED RATHER THAN AN AMENDMENT PROCESS OF A PD LATER ON. 
          THANK YOU, SIR, FOR THE CLARIFICATION. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS 
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COMMISSIONER HOUSE? RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          MY TURN? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WELL IN, UH, YOU'RE READY FOR A MOTION, RIGHT? OKAY. 
          JUST MAKING, MAKING SURE YOU ARE EVERYBODY. 
          EVERYBODY READY? EVERYBODY. 
          I'M READY. 
          UH, IN, UH, Z 2 34 DASH 1 78, I MOVE THAT WE, UM, APPROVE THE REQUEST, UM, WITH AN SUP SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT IS REASONABLY CONSISTENT WITH ARTICLE 10 AND WITH THE DE DEFINITION OF AMENITY USES AS STATED IN THE DRAFT PD. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          AND VICE CHAIR, WILLIAM, FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT? UH, YEAH, I THINK A LOT OF HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID, SO I'LL, I'LL BE VERY BRIEF, BUT I'M, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. 
          UH, THERE WERE SOME PREVIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT OTHER USES ON THIS SITE, WHICH WOULD'VE RESULTED IN DEMOLITION OF THIS BUILDING THAT I ALWAYS HAD, UH, AN AFFECTION FOR, UH, GROWING UP IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND, UH, UM, REALLY EXCITED ABOUT SEEING THIS REALLY CREATIVE REUSE FROM A, FROM A TEAM THAT'S PROVEN THEY KNOW HOW TO DO GREAT, UH, U LAND USE THAT CREATES SOCIAL COMMUNITY. 
          AND WE'RE JUST, UH, SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, I THINK THIS WILL BE A BIG ADD TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UM, WE'LL, UM, GET A, UH, A VERY LARGE PROPERTY BACK INTO GOOD CONDITION BECAUSE IT IS JUST SITTING THERE FALLING APART TODAY. 
          AND IT, IT IS A, IT'S A NUISANCE AND HAS BEEN FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. 
          AND, UM, SO I JUST LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, THE, THE CREATIVE WORK THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT'S GONNA BE DOING OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO TO GET THIS PLACE OPEN. 
          SO, UM, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL SUPPORT AND, AND FOR ALL THE GOOD WORK AROUND THE HORSESHOE HERE OF THE LAST FEW MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, VICE CHAIR RUBIN. 
          I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION. 
          THIS IS A GREAT APPLICATION. 
          UM, AND I AM APPRECIATIVE TO COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR GOING WITH THE SUP OVER THE PD HERE. 
          I KNOW SOMETIMES THE PD IS THE PATH OF LEASE RESISTANCE, BUT SOMETIMES, UM, STEPPING AWAY FROM THE PD, UM, I, I THINK IS, IS BETTER FOR THE CITY OVERALL. 
          PARDON? OKAY. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, I WILL JUST SAY WITH THE, UM, CODE REWRITE COMING UP, I, I'VE RUN INTO A FEW SITUATIONS WITH LANDSCAPE CONFLICTS IN THE PAST WHERE IT SEEMS TO BE FRUSTRATING AND, AND DIFFICULT OR UTILITY CONFLICTS WITH LANDSCAPING IN THE PAST. 
          AND I HOPE WE DO, WHEN WE DO THE CODE REFORM, UM, TAKE A SERIOUSLY LOOK, LOOK NOT JUST AT, YOU KNOW, CASES WITH SUVS, BUT OVERALL FOR, TO SEE WHETHER WE HAVE ADEQUATE SORT OF ADMINISTRATIVE REMEDIES RATHER THAN COMING THROUGH A WHOLESALE ZONING PROCESS TO ADDRESS SORT SOME OF THOSE CONFLICT ISSUES TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE PROCESS MORE EFFICIENT. 
          UM, HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION AGAIN, YOU KNOW, GREAT WORK. 
          COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT AND APPLICANTS AND TEAM COMMISSION. 
          BEFORE WE CONTINUE, WE HAVE A CLARIFICATION QUESTION, HAVE A CLARIFICATION. 
          STAFF IS GONNA CLARIFY ONE QUICK THING, THEN WE'LL COME TO YOU, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, REALLY QUICK. 
          YOU STATED, UM, INCLUDING THE DEFINITION OF AMENITY AREA IN THE SUP THAT YES, PLEASE. 
          THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO IF THERE'S A PURPOSE TO IT. 
          IS, WAS THERE A PROVISION FROM THE PD THAT YOU WANTED TO CROSS APPLY? WAS IT THE OUTDOOR AREAS OR SOMETHING? WELL, I THINK IT'S JUST TO ENSURE THAT, UM, OUTDOOR SPORT COURTS ARE NOT ALLOWABLE. 
          AND SO MAYBE IT'S JUST AS SIMPLE AS THAT. 
          MAYBE IT'S JUST SHORT AND SWEET LIKE THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          YES. 
          SO THE MOTION WAS TO INCLUDE THE DEFINITION OF AMENITY AREA IN THE SUP, BUT STAFF'S SUP LANGUAGE IN THE STAFF REPORT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY CONDITION THAT USES THE TERM AMENITY AREA. 
          WELL, UH, IT WAS A, THE P LANGUAGE FROM THE PD, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE COULD KEEP IT SIMPLE AND JUST REQUIRE A NOTE ON THE PSYCH PLAN THAT SAYS NO SPORT COURTS ALLOWED AND WE RIGHT. 
          WE CAN JUST INCLUDE A CONDITION THAT SAYS NO SPORT COURTS. 
          THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE FINE. 
          THAT WOULD ACCOMPLISH NO, NO OUTDOOR. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THAT'S JUST, THAT'S THE THING WE'RE TRYING TO, TRYING TO GET DONE. 
          HOWEVER YOU ALL WANNA DO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDED SUP CONDITIONS WITH THE CHANGE TO ADD ADDITION OF YES. 
          NO OUTDOOR SPORT COURTS. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU MR. BALDWIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WAS NO OUTDOOR SPORT COURT BECAUSE WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO PUT SOMETHING INSIDE. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, FOLLOW THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER. 
          UM, DOES THIS SUP HAVE A TIME LIMIT ON IT OR IS IT A, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ON HERE OR DOESN'T HAVE A TIME LIMIT ON HERE, WHETHER IT'S 
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A PERMANENT OR IT, IT'S, IT'S PERMANENT. 
          WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT, BUT, BUT IT'S NOT ON THE, THE MOTION. 
          WELL, MAYBE, SHOULD I SAY FOR AN, MAYBE MS. MORRISON WOULD PROBABLY LIKE IT IF MY MOTION INCLUDED AN SUP FOR A PERMANENT TIME PERIOD IF IT DOESN'T HAVE TIME FOR THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. 
          YEAH, I UNDERSTOOD AS THAT BEING THE MOTION COMMISSIONER. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          SO THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION. 
          BUT, UH, COMMISSIONER LE I'M NOT TRYING TO COMPLICATE NOTHING. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER, THIS MIGHT BE A, A, UM, QUESTION THAT DON'T FOLLOW ME. 
          'CAUSE I MIGHT NOT KNOW, BUT WE ARE, THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE OUTSIDE PLAY AREA FOR THE CHILDREN, THE SWIMMING POOL AND THE AMENITIES. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S JUST, IT IS JUST ANY TYPE OF BASKETBALL PICKLEBALL, TENNIS COURTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, DO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS CLARIFIED? MY UNDERSTANDING IS IF WE PUT A CONDITION THAT SAYS, UH, NO OUTDOOR GAME COURTS ARE ALLOWED, THAT IT WOULD JUST NOT ALLOW GAME COURTS, UH, GAME COURT IS NOT FURTHER DEFINED WITHIN THE CITY CODE, BUT I THINK IT'S A REASONABLE INTERPRETATION THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD EXCLUDE YOUR TENANT. 
          WELL ACTUALLY HAVE ONE SECOND. 
          I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE IF WE DEFINED IT BECAUSE DEFINITION HERE AND AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ARE TOTALLY, WE DON'T WANT A LEAD TO AN INTERPRETATION. 
          SURE. 
          THAT IT LEADS TO THE AMENITIES AND THEN THE SWIMMING POOL AND THE PLAYGROUND AND THOSE OUTSIDE. 
          SO IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN DEFINE THAT SINCE WE DON'T DEFINE IT IN CITY CODE? JUST MAKE SURE WITHDRAWAL IS PERMANENT. 
          I THINK IT, IT IS POSSIBLE. 
          UH, JENNIFER, IF YOU WANTED TO CHIME IN HERE ON, ON DEF DEFINITIONS OF GAME COURTS, BUT SO, SO I THINK, I MEAN, I THINK IT IS DEFINED, BUT IT'S A, THERE'S A USE THAT TALKS ABOUT AN OUTDOOR GAME OR A GAME COURT. 
          THERE'S NOT, I'M NOT THERE YET. 
          OKAY. 
          HE'S NOT THERE YET. 
          WE'RE FEVERISHLY TYPING IN, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY SPECIFY THEM, BUT I WOULDN'T WANNA LIMIT IT TO JUST, IF YOU REALLY DON'T WANT ANY OUTDOOR GAME COURTS, THEN YOU CAN SAY SUCH A, YOU KNOW, BLAH BLAH BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, ET CETERA, OR SIMILAR OR WHATEVER. 
          'CAUSE JUST WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE BECAUSE IF WE DON'T KNOW DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WE DON'T WANT LEAVE TO INTERPRETATION OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THEN SOMETHING WE COULD JUST FIX. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          ESPECIALLY BEING A PERMANENT YES. 
          LET'S FIX IT NOW AND THAT WAY WE KNOW THAT THEY DON'T GET THERE AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T HAVE SOME 'CAUSE. 
          YEAH, GREAT POINT. 
          WE COMFORTABLE WITH THE LANGUAGE COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. 
          WE'RE GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, BACK TO THE COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, I SUPPORT THE REQUEST. 
          I WAS GOING TO MAKE A FURTHER OBSERVATION. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE RESOLVED IT. 
          LOOK FORWARD TO VOTING AND SUPPORT COMMISSIONER COMPANY. 
          I, I COMPLETELY SUPPORT THE, UH, THE PROJECT AND, YOU KNOW, I'D HAVE BEEN FINE WITH SUP OR PD EITHER WAY, JUST THE SITE PLAN THAT WE HAVE NOT SEEN BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN HAS AMENITY AREA ON IT, SITE PLAN. 
          IF IT USES THOSE TERMS, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DEFINED SOMEWHERE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE, IF WHEN YOU GET TO A SITE PLAN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LABEL POOL AREA OR PLAYGROUND OR WHATEVER THAT GETS, GETS PAST THE POSSIBLE INTERPRETATION PROBLEM, WE'LL BE ABLE TO WORK THAT OUT WITH STAFF AND GET SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE SUPPORTIVE OF. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER, WE THAT I, I I HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORT THE PROJECT. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT. 
          SO IF, BECAUSE STAFF CAN'T DETERMINE THE DEFINITION, CAN WE GET THAT DEF CAN WE GET THAT INTO THE SUP THAT PICKLEBALL COURTS, BASKETBALL COURTS, TENNIS COURTS, THOSE OUTSIDE SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE NO ISSUES WHEN THEY GET TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? I, I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT WHEN THERE'S NOT A DEFINITION IN THE CODE, THEN THE INSTRUCTION IS TO FOLLOW THE COLLOQUIAL MEANING OF THE WORD AS WE WOULD ALL UNDERSTAND GAME COURT TO BE. 
          SO IF YOU WANT TO BE MORE SPECIFIC AND, BUT ALSO WE ARE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WELL, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ON JEFFERSON , THE PORTION OF DEVELOP PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ON JEFFERSON. 
          CAN I JUST CHIME IN REAL QUICK? LAURA MORRISON, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          LEGALLY, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE A DEFINITION OF SPORT COURT OR GAME COURT. 
          IT'S A COURT WHERE SPORTS OR GAMES ARE PLAYED AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S DEFINED IN THE, IN THE TERM ITSELF. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE FINE. 
          WE'RE GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M ASSUMING MR. ALWIN, YOUR CLIENT IS OKAY WITH THE LANGUAGE. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO HAVE THEM COME BACK FOR SUCH A MINOR THING. 
          UM, WE, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT A SUPPORT COURT IS. 
          YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S THE, THE FUNNY THING IS THE CITY REGULATES PARKING IN RECREATION AREAS BY THE NUMBER OF SPORT COURTS OUT THERE. 
          SO SOMEONE OVER AT OAK CLIFF MUNICIPAL CENTER KNOWS WHAT A SPORT COURT IS. 
          SO, UH, I THINK WE'RE FINE. 
          OKAY. 
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IT, IT'S, UH, WE'RE HAPPY THAT YOU, YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HOUSE RIGHTS SECOND BY VICE CHAIR RUBIN. 
          UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          IT'S 2 46. 
          LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA GET BACK ON THE RECORD. 
          2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. 
          WE DO HAVE EIGHT. 
          ARE WE RECORDING? WE ARE RECORDING. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER IT IS 2 57. 
          WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA JUMP AHEAD A LITTLE BIT AND PICK UP NUMBER 20 AND THEN GO BACK AND PICK UP, UH, THE THREE CASES THAT WERE ON CONSENT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO WE'LL, WE'LL GO TO 20 AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK IN ORDER. 
          [20. 24-3742 An application for a Planned Development District for specific residential and nonresidential uses on property zoned an R-7.5(A) Single Family District, on the northeast corner of East Northwest Highway and Arboreal Drive. ]
ITEM 20 IS Z 2 2 3 3 4 7. 
          IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR A SPECIFIC RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL USES ON PROPERTIES ZONE R SEVEN FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF NORTHEAST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY IN AR BOREAL DRIVE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE. 
          WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON, ROB BALDWIN. 
          3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE BI WAS ACTUALLY HOPING WE WOULD HAVE A, A BREAK BETWEEN THAT LAST CASE AND THIS BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING FOR A PD AGAIN AND STAFF IS NOT SUPPORTING IT. 
          BUT IN THIS CASE I THINK IT, IT, IT, IT MAKES SENSE AND I HOPE YOU WILL AGREE. 
          UH, SO, UH, WE'RE JUST WEST OF THE LAST SITE. 
          WE WERE AT, UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE NORTHWEST HIGHWAY AT A STREET CALLED ARBOR. 
          UH, THIS IS AN EXISTING TRACT OF LAND JUST LESS THAN AN ACRE. 
          UH, BEST I CAN TELL IT'S NEVER BEEN DEVELOPED. 
          IT'S STILL LISTED AS A TRACK, SO IT'S NEVER BEEN PLATTED. 
          I LOOKED AT OLD AERIALS AND I'D NEVER SEEN THAT IT'S BEEN PLATTED, UM, OR DEVELOPED. 
          RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IS WHITE ROCK FELLOWSHIP. 
          THIS IS A CHURCH THAT WAS BUILT IN 1955. 
          IT'S GONE THROUGH DIFFERENT ITERATIONS. 
          THE LATEST IT'S RIGHT WHITE ROCK, UH, FELLOWSHIP, WHICH IS A YOUNG AND GROWING, UH, CONGREGATION. 
          THEY ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF DOING MASTER PLANNING FOR THE AREA AND THEY WANT TO INCORPORATE THIS LOT, UH, IN THEIR MASTER PLAN. 
          THE REASON WE DIDN'T DO A PARKING DISTRICT IS WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE BRIEFING SESSION IS IF WE HAVE TO DO A PARKING DISTRICT, ALL YOU CAN DO IS PARKING. 
          WE DON'T KNOW AFTER A MASTER PLAN IF THIS IS GOING TO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CHURCH BUILDING OVER HERE OR A PARKING LOT, OR IF THE CHURCH FINDS OUT THEY'VE OUTRUN THEIR SPACE, DO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THE R SEVEN FIVE. 
          SO THE ONLY VEHICLE THAT ALLOWS US TO DO THOSE THREE THINGS IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. 
          UH, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. 
          UM, WE HAVE NOT TURNED IN A PARKING STUDY BECAUSE OUR MASTER PLANNING'S NOT DONE YET. 
          SO WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW BIG WE'RE GONNA BE, BUT WE DO KNOW RIGHT NOW THAT ON AN AVERAGE SUNDAY WE HAVE 15 PEOPLE PARKING ON THIS LOT ON THE GRASS, WHICH WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO, AND WE DON'T WANT TO BOOTLEG THE PARKING. 
          SO THIS IS A PROACTIVE WAY TO TRY TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM AS WELL. 
          UM, SO THIS IS JUST SHOWING WHAT THE, THE, THE PARKING WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          UM, THEY'VE DONE NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH, THEY'VE TALKED TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS. 
          WE HAVE SUPPORT FROM, FROM NEIGHBORS DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORT, BUT, UH, WE DO THINK IT IS THOUGHTFUL. 
          WE THINK THE PD CONDITIONS THAT WE WORKED WITH, UH, MR. PEPE ON ARE, ARE, ARE WORTHWHILE AND WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND I THINK THAT THE PD GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO PARKING A CHURCH OR RESIDENTIAL ON THE SITE. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT. 
          I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR MR. THE APPLICANT. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE. 
          IS THERE ANY REASON WHY YOU ALL DID NOT CONDUCT THIS? A TRAFFIC STUDY? WELL, WE DIDN'T DO A PARKING STUDY. 
          PARKING STUDY. 
          WE WEREN'T ASKED TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY, A PARKING STUDY. 
          WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE PARKING ON THE, THE LOT TODAY. 
          THEY DON'T PARK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY THOUGHTFUL FOR THE NEIGHBORS. 
          SO THEY PARK ON THIS GRASS LOT, WHICH THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO. 
          SO WE THINK THAT SPENDING $5,000 TO DO A PARKING STUDY WHEN WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF DOING A MASTER PLAN, WA DIDN'T, WASN'T A GOOD USE OF THE SMALL CONGREGATION'S MONEY. 
          SO, UH, WE KNOW WE HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE PARKING ON THIS LOT TODAY, BUT WE, UH, WE'D SPEND LOTS OF MONEY ON A PARKING STUDY TO SAY, HEY, PEOPLE ARE PARKING OVER HERE ON SUNDAYS AND WE ALREADY KNOW THAT. 
          SO, UM, AS WE GO THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, UH, WE WILL HAVE TO DO A PARKING STUDY OR A TRANSPORTATION, UH, IMPACT WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS OR THE PLANNING PROCESS, BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVEN'T DONE IT YET, BECAUSE IT WILL JUST SHOW US SOMETHING WE ALREADY HAVE. 
          AND IT'S YOUR, 
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UM, IS EVEN WITH THE PARKING ON THE CURRENT LOT THAT TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT PERMITTED, IS THERE STILL A OVERFLOWING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE STREETS OR BECAUSE THEY'RE ABLE NOT BECAUSE BECAUSE THEY'RE PARKING ON THIS LOT RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, IS, IS IT, IS IT, UM, KEEPING THEM FROM HAVING TO OVERFLOW ONTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS? EXACTLY. 
          SO, UH, THE, THE CONGREGATION IS VERY THOUGHTFUL. 
          THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND SO THEY PARK ON THIS LOT RATHER THAN PARK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THERE'S MINIMUM TO NO OVERFLOW OVER TO ON THE STREETS RIGHT NOW. 
          I CAN'T SAY THERE'S NEVER, BUT THERE, THAT'S NOT THE PRACTICE. 
          THAT'S THE OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, HAVE YOU, UH, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE YOU PLAN TO PAVE THE PARKING, IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT. 
          UH, BUT YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE DOWN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SEE MY CURSOR DOWN HERE. 
          THERE'S A, A, A LARGE BUFFER HERE IN HERE AND AROUND. 
          WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY RELIEF FROM, UH, THE ARTICLE 10 REQUIREMENTS. 
          I THINK I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE HEADING AND I HAVE NOT TALKED TO MY CLIENT ABOUT THE, UH, PERMANENT HAVEN. 
          WELL, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IF YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOUR MASTER PLAN IS GONNA BE, WOULD IT BE ACCEPTABLE TO DO MAYBE LIKE DECOMPOSED GRANITE OR SOMETHING AS A TEMPORARY UM, SOLUTION? THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION. 
          I THINK THAT IF THE COMMISSION THOUGHT IT WORTHWHILE TO PUT TO AMEND THE PD CONDITIONS TO ALLOW US TO DO DECOMPOSED GRANITE, UH, INTERIOR, I KNOW WE CAN'T DO IT AT THE APRONS. 
          WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. 
          AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR ENTRANCE DOESN'T COMPLY WITH OUR COMPLETE STREET MANUAL AND FEEL LIKE YOU WOULD FIX THAT, RIGHT? WE'D HAVE TO, BUT JUST WELL, I'M VERY IMPRESSED THAT, YOU KNOW, CURB RADIO, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH TONY PAGE . 
          YEAH. 
          SO IF IT DOESN'T COMPLY, WE'LL HAVE TO WHEN WE COME IN TO GET ENGINEERING PLANS APPROVED, YOU WOULD THINK, BUT NO, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD WANT, I WOULD EXPECT YOU MR. BALDWIN TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENED. 
          WE HAD THE PD AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR MR. BALDWIN. 
          YES, SIR. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, UH, WHEN THE LAST TIME OR IF EVER A HOUSE HAS EXISTED ON THAT SITE? NOW I LOOK BACK AT AERIAL PHOTOS BACK GOING BACK TO 1955, AND I'VE NEVER SEEN A HOUSE ON THERE. 
          THE PROPERTY'S NEVER BEEN PLATTED, SO TECHNICALLY THEY CAN'T GET A BUILDING PERMIT ON AN UN PLATTED PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          SO MY GUESS IS, AND I'M JUST GUESSING HERE, IS THAT, THAT THE TWO LOTS IN THE ENTRANCE OF THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD WERE SET TO SET ASIDE FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THIS PORTION OF NORTHWEST HIGHWAY LOOKED LIKE IN 1955, BUT I'M ASSUMING IS FAIRLY RURAL AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT WAS A FARM, MAYBE IT WAS, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT THE FACT THAT BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET HAVE ABOUT THE SAME LOCK CONFIGURATION, UH, AND ARE NOT RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE TELLS ME THAT THERE WAS A PURPOSE FOR THAT. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE. 
          SO IF, IF, UH, IF YOUR REQUEST WERE APPROVED, UM, THE CHURCH WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO PARK ON THIS SITE, AND IF AT SOME POINT LATER THEY NEEDED TO EXPAND THE CHURCH, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO EXPAND THE CHURCH AS WELL. 
          IS THAT SORT OF THE, THE IDEA OF THIS REQUEST? CORRECT. 
          OR IF IT TURNED OUT THAT THEY WANTED TO PUT HOUSING ON THIS SITE, THEY COULD DO THAT AS WELL. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S THE THREE PRONG, THOSE ARE THE ONLY THREE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THIS PD. 
          WELL, IT, IT JUST, JUST LOOKING AT THE, UH, THE SITE, IT SEEMS LIKE THE, THE STREET BEHIND IT, MOST OF THE HOMES FACE IN ON AN INTERIOR STREET AND SORT OF BACK UP TO THIS SITE. 
          YEAH, THEY DO. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          AND WE WILL HAVE A, UH, THE REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, 10 FOOT, UH, BUFFER PLANTED BUFFER, A A SIX OR AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE OR WALL AND TREES BETWEEN US. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, I, I'M CERTAINLY NO HOUSING EXPERT, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME, CONSIDERING HOW LONG THAT SITE HAS BEEN SITTING THERE VACANT AND LOOKING AT THE PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT BEHIND IT, IT SEEMS FAIRLY UNLIKELY THAT, UH, UH, SOMEONE'S GONNA GO IN AND AND WANNA BUILD HOUSES ON THAT SITE. 
          WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT? WELL, IF THEY DO, THEY'RE GONNA COME IN AND ASK FOR A REZONING TO PUT TOWN HOMES OR SOMETHING. 
          MORE OF A HIGHER DENSITY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE. 
          MR. BALDWIN, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT THE CURRENT USAGE IS OF THIS LOT? I MEAN, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PARKING ON THIS LOT DURING CHURCH SERVICES? UH, I RIDE MY BIKE BY HERE FAIRLY REGULARLY ON SUNDAY MORNINGS AND 
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ANYWHERE FROM FIVE TO 10 OR 15. 
          MY REASON FOR ASKING THAT IS THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I'VE HEARD IS WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION BEING GIVEN AT THIS POINT, SINCE YOU DON'T KNOW YOU HAVEN'T COMPLETED YOUR MASTER PLAN? DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR LONG TERM, UM, PLANS ARE. 
          I MEAN, WHY COMMIT TO BUILDING SUCH A GIGANTIC PARKING LOT? I MEAN, WHY NOT BUILD A SMALLER PARKING LOT AND LEAVE MORE GREEN SPACE? WELL, IT DOESN'T ALL HAVE TO BE BUILT AT ONCE. 
          PARDON? IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BUILT AT ONCE. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S A SMALL CHURCH, THEY'RE GROWING, UH, AND THAT'S A GOOD THING, BUT IT'S ALSO VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A CHURCH THAT WAS BUILT IN 1955, A LOT OF MAINTENANCE ON THAT. 
          THEY'RE NOT GONNA COME IN AND BUILD A BUNCH OF PARKING THAT THEY DON'T NEED AT THE TIME. 
          THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO DO IT IN PHASES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. 
          SEEING NONE. 
          COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, YOU HAVE A MOTION? MIKE MARK. 
          PARDON? THANK YOU. 
          HOW AM I DOING NOW? IS THAT BETTER? UH, IN THE CASE OF Z 2 23 3 74, UM, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE DO NOT FOLLOW THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT, UH, ALLOW THE PD TO GO FORWARD AS REQUESTED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SLEEPER FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER HARA FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER STEAD, WOULD YOU ACCEPT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO USE, UM, PERMEABLE SURFACE IF THEY SO CHOOSE? I WOULD BE DELIGHTED TO ACCEPT THAT FROM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          A SECOND. 
          COMMISSIONERS WITH ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE. 
          ANY COMMENTS? CNN? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I HAVE IT 
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COMMISSIONER. 
          SO WE'LL GO BACK ITEMS TO THE TABLED ITEMS. WE'LL GO BACK TO UH, CASES FOUR, SIX, AND SEVEN. 
          OKAY. 
          ITEM FOUR IS Z 2 3 4 1 70. 
          IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MF TWO. 
          A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT USES IN STANDARDS ON PROPERTY ZONED AND R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF GRANT STREET BETWEEN RIDGE STREET AND SOUTH LEY DRIVE. 
          SET. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT CONDITIONS ITEM SIX A Z 2 3 4 1 98. 
          IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT USES AND STANDARDS ON PROPERTY ZONED AND R FIVE A SAINT FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF GRANT STREET ON AND THE SOUTH LINE OF FRONT STREET, WEST OF SOUTH BENLEY DRIVE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF SUBJECT CONDITIONS. 
          ITEM SEVEN A Z TWO TWO, EXCUSE ME, 2 3 4 2 0 2. 
          AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MF TWO MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT USES IN STANDARDS ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF GRANT STREET AND SOUTH DENLEY DRIVE. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          UH, LET'S SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          OH, I, UH, DO HAVE A PRESENTATION. 
          I DUNNO IF WE CAN PULL IT UP. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, THERE ARE THREE. 
          OKAY, JUST FOR CLARITY, THERE IS, THERE ARE THREE PRESENTATIONS, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE SIMILAR. 
          UM, THESE WERE THREE INDIVIDUAL CASES, SO I DID CREATE THREE SEPARATE PRESENTATIONS FOR THEM. 
          OKAY, LET'S GO. 
          SO THIS IS, UH, Z 2 34 DASH 70. 
          CAN YOU PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS IN THERE? OH, APOLOGIES PLEASE. 
          PAUL CARIN. 
          6 3 6 ASMAN VALLEY LANE, DALLAS, 7 5 2 0 8. 
          UM, JUST PROJECT OVERVIEW. 
          SO 1200 GRANT STREET, THE FIRST ONE, Z 1 1 7 0, UM, IS A HALF AN ACRE TRIPLE LOT SITE, UH, NEAR TRANSIT IN A RAPIDLY GENTRIFYING AREA WITH OLD HOMES BEING DEMOLISHED FOR NEWER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          THERE'S PROBABLY 
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NOWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY THAT HAS SUCH A SEVERE MISMATCH BETWEEN ITS TRANSIT INFRASTRUCTURE AND ITS CURRENT ZONING. 
          UH, UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S NO STANDARD ZONING TEAM TO ACT TO ACCURATELY REFLECT THE PAST, PRESENT IN THE FUTURE OF THIS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO WE SAW TO CREATE A, UH, CUSTOM PLAN DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO MORE SITE PHOTOS. 
          THAT'S THE, THE ORIGINAL HOUSE THAT'S IN THE BACK. 
          IT WAS A FORMER JUNKYARD, UH, BEFORE WE PURCHASED IT. 
          PURCHASED IT. 
          DID A LOT OF CLEANUP SITE LOCATION. 
          WE WITHIN WALKING RANGE OF, UH, TWO, UH, DARK RAIL STATIONS ON TWO SEPARATE LINES. 
          UH, WALKING RANGE OF DALLAS SIOUX, UH, SOME UPCOMING RETAIL ON CLAIRTON EWING AND ALONG MORALE ITSELF, UM, AND RETIREMENT INTENDED. 
          USES AND GOALS OF THIS PROJECT WERE REALLY PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. 
          FIRST AND FOREMOST, CREATE SOME INFRASTRUCTURE AND AMENITIES TO ENHANCE THE AREA AND CREATE A CODE THAT CONTROLS THE MASSING WHILE WE'RE ENABLING MORE VARIETY AND HOUSING TYPES. 
          UH, OF COURSE CREATE SOME HOUSE SUPPORT NEARBY RETAIL. 
          REALLY WANT TO TRY AND CREATE SOME ELEVATOR ACCESSIBLE UNITS FOR OUR YOUNG FAMILIES AND OUR SENIORS WHO MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GO UP FLIGHTS OF STAIRS, UH, AND ENHANCE STREET AND TRAIL SECURITY VIA EYES ON THE STREET. 
          SO HAD SOME SAME GUIDING PRINCIPLES, SAME AS MANY OF MY OTHER PROJECTS. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, TRAIL ACCESS, WALKING RANGE OF TRANSIT. 
          TARGET AUDIENCE TENDS TO BE KIND OF THAT MID-RANGE MIDDLE INCOME. 
          SO COUPLES, SMALL FAMILIES, TEACHERS, NURTURE NURSES, FIREFIGHTERS AND OFFICERS. 
          OF COURSE, NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE. 
          AND THESE ARE PRETTY ADAPTABLE. 
          ALL OF THESE ARE TOWN HOMES AND ALL OF THEM HAVE TWO CAR GARAGES. 
          ORIGINALLY, THIS WAS THE OLD CONCEPT CONCEPT, WHICH WAS A KIND OF A SINGLE, KIND OF 30 UNIT MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING WITH A RANGE OF HOUSING UNITS. 
          UH, THAT WAS ORIGINAL OLD PLAN, UH, HAD COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT DID NOT WORK, THAT WAS NOT OKAY WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, BUT WE LISTENED AND THE COMMUNITY CHOSE TO, UH, COLLABORATE RATHER THAN BEING COMBATIVE. 
          SO WE WORKED WITH THEM. 
          HAD SEVERAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS, UH, THREE OVER THE COURSE OF THE SUMMER. 
          UM, HERE'S SOME PHOTOS FROM THAT. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          YOU KNOW, GENTRIFICATION, THE NEW LARGER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          HERE'S SOME EXAMPLE OF THAT. 
          VERY EVIDENT AND VERY PRESENT, UH, LARGER SINGLE FAMILY HOME DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID. 
          UM, HERE'S SOME MORE OF THE COMMUNITY MEETING IN INTERACTION. 
          AND AS A RESULT, THE CURRENT PLAN HAS FAR FEWER UNITS. 
          IT'S DOWN TO 16 UNITS, NO STUDIOS OR ONE BEDROOMS, ALL TOWN HOMES. 
          IN FACT, I BELIEVE THIS SETUP IS ACTUALLY ALL THREE BEDROOM UNITS. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THE COMMUNITY INFRASTRUCTURE AMENITIES. 
          IT HAS A DIRECT ACCESS POINT TO THE BRENTWOOD TRAIL SYSTEM, WHICH IS A SYSTEM THAT RUNS, UH, PARTIALLY THROUGH SOME OF MY OTHER, SOME OF MY OTHER PROPERTIES. 
          UH, WATER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THIS, THIS PROPERTY HAD TO OUT, UH, ACCOMMODATE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE RUNNING THROUGH IT TO SERVE THE ENTIRE STREET, NOT JUST THIS PROPERTY. 
          UH, INCREASED STREET PRODUCTING SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED LANDSCAPING, BETTER LIGHTING SECURITY, 67% REDUCTION IN STREET CURB CUTS RELATIVE TO A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND IT CODIFIES RIGHT OF WAY PROTECTION SO THAT THE SMALL STREET CHARACTER OF THE AREA CAN REMAIN A SMALL STREET. 
          UM, HERE'S VIEW IN OCTOBER. 
          JUST WE TRYING TO GET THIS. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          LET'S THREE MINUTES GO BY FAST. 
          YEP. 
          GO FOR, UH, DO WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER IN SUPPORT? GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS STEPHANIE BARING. 
          I'M AT 10 44 BURLINGTON BOULEVARD. 
          I'M THE ARCHITECT WHO ASSISTED PAUL ON THESE PROJECTS. 
          SO I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I'VE HELPED HIM THROUGH THE LARGE BUILDING, DID THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND TO THE SMALLER. 
          SO WE'VE DEFINITELY BEEN LISTENING TO, UH, COMMUNITY INPUT ON THIS AND THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. 
          SO I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          CAMERON GREER, 1318 HENDRICKS AVENUE. 
          I'M PROBABLY 70% IN SUPPORT OF THIS. 
          I STILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, UH, BUT I'LL LET, UH, THE COMMITTEE DO IT. 
          SOME OF MY, UH, QUESTIONS WAS THE OVERPOPULATION AND PARKING. 
          HOWEVER, I WILL SAY THAT PAUL DID DO AN EXCELLENT JOB WITH THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETING. 
          HE DID MODIFY AND MAKE SOME, SOME OF THE, UH, MODIFICATIONS. 
          AND THEN, UH, IT'S A, A, A FEW, A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE IN SUPPORT, BUT WOULD LIKE SOME SUGGEST SOME MORE SUGGESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ANY OTHER SPEAKERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. CARD. 
          SO YOU, THE, THESE ARE THREE ZONING CASES, SO I THINK IT'S ONLY FAIR. 
          HOW MANY MORE SLIDES DO YOU HAVE? OH, TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          PLEASE, CAN YOU, CAN YOU SHOW ME YOUR LAST TWO SLIDES? SURE. 
          THAT'S JUST THE INTEGRATED WITH ALL THREE ZONING CASES AND THE TRAIL SYSTEM OVERALL AND HOW THEY FLOW BETWEEN GRANT STREET AND FRONT STREET AND BREAKING UP, UH, THE TRAFFIC FLOW. 
          WAIT, YEAH, WE CAN, SORRY. 
          THAT MICROPHONE IS, UM, SO THERE WAS ONLY JUST A SLIDE SHOWN THE INTEGRATED CONCEPTS. 
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SO ALL THREE TOWNHOME PROJECTS ALONG WITH THE TRAIL SYSTEM AND HOW THEY'RE KIND OF INTEGRATED IN BROKE THE STREET ACCESS IS BROKEN UP BETWEEN THEM AND HOW THEY'RE ALSO UTILIZING THE ALLEY LONG GRANT STREET, WHICH WE, UH, PLAN TO IMPROVE. 
          AND THEN THAT WAS REALLY, IT JUST ALSO DEMONSTRATING THE ACTUAL EXISTENCE OF THE TRAIL ITSELF THAT WAS CREATED AND ENABLED BY THIS NOT BEING A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, DEVELOPMENT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. 
          JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UM, MR. CARDIN SAID THAT YOU HAD THREE DIFFERENT, UM, PRESENTATIONS FOR THE DIFFERENT CASES. 
          WAS THERE ANYTHING IN THE OTHER PRESENTATIONS, UM, THAT YOU THOUGHT IMPORTANT TO SHARE? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I'D ASKED THE QUESTION. 
          THE OTHER TWO PRESENTATIONS HAVE THE SAME COMMUNITY INPUT. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE THEY WERE DONE TOGETHER. 
          THEY JUST HAVE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT DESIGN RESPONSES TO THE ISSUE. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IF THERE WAS OTHER INFORMATION YOU WANTED US TO BE AWARE OF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'LL DEFER TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS. 
          I DO HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL HOLD THEM. 
          AND, UM, AND JUST TO BE FAIR, I KNOW THAT WE, WE KINDA RUSHED THROUGH THIS AND YOU DID HAVE JUST THREE MINUTES FOR THREE ZONING CASES. 
          SO I, YOU KNOW, I, I FOR ONE WILL BE ASKING YOU TO GO BACK TO A COUPLE OF SLIDES AND MAYBE SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT, UH, 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU WENT THROUGH THEM REALLY, REALLY FAST. 
          BUT I'LL, I'LL LET SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES GO FIRST. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE GOTTA BE FAIR HERE. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSER, I THINK, UH, YES. 
          UH, ONE QUESTION. 
          UM, YOU SHOWED A THREE DIMENSIONAL VIEW OF WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO OR WHAT THE COMMUNITY DIDN'T WANT. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY THREE-DIMENSIONAL VIEWS OF, IN ANY OF THESE CASES, ANY OF THESE PLANS? SO WE'RE STILL ALLOWING THE COMMUNITY TO DECIDE KIND OF WHAT THEIR FACADES AND MASSING THEIR OVERALL FACADES LOOK LIKE. 
          SO THEY'RE STILL, THEY'VE STILL BEEN HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT, BUT IN TERMS OF MASSING AND CORE SPECIFICATIONS NOW, AND SO I UNDERSTAND THE HEIGHT THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE, UM, IN THE PDS, BUT, UH, IS THIS A TWO STORY OR THREE STORY PRODUCT? THIS, SORRY, THIS IS THREE STORY PRODUCT REFLECTIVE OF SOME OF THE NEW HOUSING THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING BUILT, BUT WITHOUT THE OVERSIZED OR SUPER HIGH PRICE POINTS. 
          QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, PLEASE. 
          SO WOULD YOU, UH, REAL QUICKLY, UH, JUST, UH, KIND OF SUMMARIZE, UH, I KNOW WE HEARD IT IN THE BRIEFING THIS MORNING, BUT FOR EACH OF THE THREE CASES, WHAT ARE THE NUMBER OF TOWN HOMES THAT YOU'RE, UH, PROPOSING, UH, FOR EACH OF THE THREE CA, UH, TOWN HOME UNITS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING FOR EACH OF THE THREE CASES? SURE. 
          FOR THE HALF ACRE SITE IS 16 ON 1,201 Z, ONE 70, UH, Z 1 98, WHICH IS A CHURCH SITE ABOUT HALF AN ACRE. 
          THAT'S 12. 
          AND THEN THE THIRD OF AN ACRE SITE ON THE CORNER THAT IS, THAT IS, UH, 10 UNITS. 
          SO A TOTAL OF 38 UNITS ACROSS THREE SITES AND THREE ACCESS POINTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND ON YOUR SLIDE, YOU INDICATED THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY STUDIO OR ONE BEDROOM UNITS. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO, UH, UH, HOW MANY UH, UNITS ARE YOU ESTIMATING, UH, BEDROOMS? ARE YOU ESTIMATING PER UNIT? UH, YOU KNOW, IS IT LIKE TWO, UH, THREE, UH, TWO AND A HALF? PROBABLY ABOUT TWO AND A HALF JUST BASED ON UNIT SIZE AND LIVING IN ITS DEVELOPMENT. 
          SIMILAR TO THAT, ABOUT, IN MY OWN EXPERIENCE, ABOUT 50% EVEN WITHOUT GOOD, UH, TRANSIT ACCESS, ABOUT 50% OF THE HOUSEHOLDS ACTUALLY ONLY HAVE ONE CAR OR SINGLE CAR HOUSEHOLD WITH A FAMILY OR NOT. 
          UM, AND ON AVERAGE I EXPECTED ABOUT TWO AND A HALF IF THEY'RE ALL THREE BEDROOM UNITS. 
          SOME OF THEM WILL HAVE JUST A SINGLE PERSON HAS RECEIVED A SINGLE FAMILY. 
          SO YEAH, LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, ON, ON, UH, THAT FIRST UNIT THEN IF IT'S LIKE 16 UNITS THEN, AND THEN YOU'RE SAYING TWO AND A HALF BEDROOMS, THAT'S WHAT, 32, ALMOST 40, UH, 40 UH, BEDROOMS IN THAT FIRST, YOU KNOW, ONE 70. 
          RIGHT. 
          POSSIBLY IF THEY CHOOSE TO HAVE A FAMILY, WHAT, WHAT IS THE PROPOSED PARKING? EACH, UH, UNIT HAS TWO PARKING SPACES AND THERE'S ALSO, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE EXTRA CURB CUTS WE HAD, WE'RE ABLE TO ACTUALLY CREATE ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT WOULDN'T EXIST. 
          BUT FOR THIS CONFIGURATION. 
          SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE INDICATING THAT, UH, EACH UNIT WILL HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES? YEP. 
          TWO GARAGE SPACES? ALL GARAGE. 
          IS THAT IT? FOR ALL THREE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS? FOR ALL THREE DEVELOPMENTS? BECAUSE IN, IN THE CASE REPORT, IT ONLY INDICATED ONE PARKING SPACE PER UNIT. 
          I BELIEVE THE CODE INDICATES THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR ONE PARKING SPACE. 
          ALL THE UNITS HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES. 
          THE ONLY REASON FOR THAT DIFFERENTIAL IS THAT BECAUSE IN PRACTICE WITH THESE UNITS, WHEN PEOPLE MOVE INTO THESE TYPES OF UNITS, THEY MOVE IN WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT THERE ISN'T A LOT OF PARKING. 
          THERE'S A BUILT IN EXPECTATION OF THAT. 
          AND SO IT IS ADJUSTED SO THAT IF SOMEONE HAS ONE CAR AND THEN THEY USE THE OTHER HALF OF THE GARAGE FOR ITEMS OR, UH, A SMALL OFFICE SPACE OR A GYM OR WHATEVER, THEY CAN DO. 
          SO, BUT IN PRACTICE, EVERY SINGLE UNIT HAS TWO CAR GARAGE. 
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'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE MARKET EXPECTS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, THE, THE ONE, THE CASE ONE 70 WITH, WITH THE 16 UNITS THAT AT THE END OF, UH, GRANT STREET, WHICH IS A DEAD END STREET, RIGHT? IT IS THE END OF THE STREET AS IT'S PAVED THE STREET, GRANT STREET ACTUALLY GOES THROUGH TO RICH STREET. 
          AND IF, AND THIS THAT IS, AND IT HAS A RIGHT OF WAY THAT GOES, YOU'RE SAYING GRANT STREET CONNECTS WITH RIDGE STREET? IT DOES HAVE A RIGHT OF WAY CURRENTLY THAT GOES THROUGH TO RIDGE STREET. 
          SO IF THIS IS A MULTI-FAMILY OR SOMETHING, IF IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY PRODUCT GRANT WOULD HAVE TO BE PAVED AND EXPANDED AND THEN BECOME A THROUGH STREET FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES. 
          ONE OF THE MAIN ADVANTAGES OF THIS WAS TO AVOID HAVING THIS BECOME A THROUGH STREET INSTEAD GIVING IT PEDESTRIAN TRAIL ACCESS. 
          PART OF WHICH ALREADY EXISTS. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING IS AT THE END OF GRANT STREET, YOU, YOU, WHEN WE HAD DISCUSSIONS, UH, IN THE BEGINNING, I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT YOU COULDN'T CONNECT TO RIDGE BECAUSE THERE'S A 30 FOOT DROP OFF RIGHT THERE AT THE END OF GRANT STREET. 
          WE WOULD RATHER NOT, BUT IF WE DO, THEN THAT'S GONNA CAUSE A SEVERE DISRUPTION TO THE TERRAIN AND IT REMOVES THE ABILITY TO PUT THE TRAIL SYSTEM IN. 
          WE THINK IT'S MORE VALUE, WE BELIEVE IT'S MORE VALUABLE TO ADD IN PEDESTRIAN TRAIL INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS VERY LACKING IN THAT AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          SO VERSUS THE RURAL INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SO THE PLAN IS NOT TO CONNECT GRANT TO RIDGE STREET? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          NOT BY, NOT BY VEHICLES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO BASICALLY, UM, YOU, YOU JUST HAVE GRANT STREET TO GET INTO THAT LAST UNIT, WHICH IS AT 1200 GRANT STREET. 
          AT THE END OF THE DEAD END STREET. 
          UM, LOOKING AT YOUR SITE PLAN, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE, UH, A, A, AN EXTRA EGRESS OR INGRESS POINT, UM, O ON THE SERVICE ROAD, BUT THERE'S NO SERVICE ROAD TODAY, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          THIS IS ALL YOU MEAN THE ALLEY? YES, IT'S AN ALLEY. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE YOU GONNA PAVE THAT ALLEY ALL THE WAY TO DENLEY THAT WILL BE A REQUIREMENT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE CIRCULATION? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THE POSITIONING OF THE CURB CUT AND THE POSITIONING OF THE ALLEY AND ITS DRIVEWAY IS REALLY CONTINGENT UPON THE WATER LINE AND WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, THE CITY, THE, THAT AREA NEEDS. 
          SO IT FORCES THE POSITION OF THAT DRIVEWAY TO OCCUR THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, EARLIER WE HAD A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE, THE ZONING AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT TH YOU KNOW, ZONING, UH, MF TWO ZONING, WHICH IS THE BASE ZONING FOR THIS. 
          BUT, UH, AND I, I KNOW WE HEARD JENNIFER, UH, ON THE CITY STAFF SAYING EARLIER, WE HAVE AN EXCESSIVE NUMBER OF PDS AND WE'RE ADDING THREE MORE PDS HERE FOR EACH OF THESE LOTS. 
          UM, AND, AND, AND, AND WOULD YOU EE EXPLAIN WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR PDS INSTEAD OF FOUR STRAIGHT, UH, MF TWO ZONING, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF REASONS. 
          ONE, TOWNHOMES TOWNHOME THREE ZONING, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE NEXT STEP BELOW IN MF TWO, NOT NOT TOWN HOME. 
          MF TWO, REZONING MF TWO, WELL, THAT'S THE ANSWER. 
          STRAIGHT MF TWO VERSUS THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WITH THE BASE OF MF TWO. 
          MF TWO ZONING DOES HAVE ONE. 
          RPS TOWNHOME ZONING DOES NOT. 
          WHAT WE DESIGNED, WHAT WE INTENDED TO CREATE WITH THESE THREE ZONING CASES IS TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT IS ESSENTIALLY AN ENHANCED VERSION OF TH THREE THAT IS EFFECTIVELY WHAT IT IS. 
          HOWEVER, TO CREATE THAT, YOU HAVE TO BASICALLY TAKE A HIGHER LEVEL ZONING AND ADD FURTHER RESTRICTIONS INTO IT, WHICH CREATES SOMETHING THAT IS ABOVE AND ENHANCED BEYOND TH THREE, BUT EFFECTIVELY BELOW T UH, MF TWO. 
          YES, IT DOES, UH, AVOID THE RRP S SIMILAR TO TH THREE, BUT IT HAS FAR HIGHER DESIGN STANDARDS IN BOTH TH THREE AND MF TWO. 
          BUT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT, UH, PUT THESE UNITS NEXT TO THESE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH JUST BASE MF TWO ZONING BECAUSE OF THE RRP S RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          AND THE REASON THAT PEOPLE TRY THE CURRENT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND WHAT'S, AND WHAT'S OCCURRING RIGHT NOW IS THAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO CAPTURE THE VIEW AND SO THEY'RE MAXING OUT TO THESE LARGE THREE STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE ARE TRYING TO FIND A COMPROMISE IN A DESIGN THAT BOTH REFLECTS WHAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET THE VIEW WITH BEING WHILE BEING SENSITIVE AND CONSIDERATE OF THE R FIVE ZONING OR THE SINGLE FAMILY WHILE ALSO BEING REP, YOU KNOW, COGNIZANT OF THE TRANSIT AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          AND SO IT WAS QUITE A DELICATE BALANCE TO, TO CREATE THIS CODE AND CREATE A CODE THAT WORKS ACROSS ALL THREE CASES. 
          AND, UH, YOU MENTIONED, UH, BEING CONSIDERATE TO THE R FIVE ZONING THERE. 
          UH, COULD YOU, UH, TELL THE COMMISSIONERS HOW MANY R FIVE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY ONE STORY HOMES ARE ON THAT STREET, THAT LITTLE BLOCK FROM DENLEY TO GRANT? AT THE END OF GRANT? AS OF THIS MOMENT, THERE ARE FIVE. 
          THERE MAY BE ON THAT, ON THAT SIDE OF THE BLOCK. 
          I BELIEVE THERE'S ONE, TWO PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BLOCK. 
          BOTH ON BOTH SIDES. 
          AT THIS MOMENT THERE ARE EIGHT. 
          BUT CURRENTLY, AS IS EVIDENCE ON FURTHER DOWN ON GRANT, THERE ARE CURRENTLY THREE STORY HOMES BEING BUILT. 
          ALL R FIVE ZONES HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUILD THREE STORIES AND WITH NO LIMITATIONS ON THEIR EFFECTIVE SIZE OR, OR ANY REAL DESIGN STANDARDS. 
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WE'RE TRYING TO FIND SOME KIND OF MIDDLE GROUND BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          LEAVING IT AS R FIVE DOES NOT RESTRICT THE ABILITY TO DO R UH, THREE STORY HOMES. 
          IT DOES NOT RESTRICT THE ABILITY TO DO SINGLE FAMILY. 
          IT DOES RESTRICT THE ABILITY TO USE TRANSIT OR PROVIDE THE AFFORDABILITY, UM, THAT THE AREA, UH, IS SEEKING. 
          UH, WHEN I, WHEN I, UH, VISIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I'VE TAKEN PICTURES, I COUNT, UH, 13 UNITS, INCLUDING THE UNIT THAT'S AT 1200 GRANT STREET. 
          THAT, THAT, THAT MAY BE, THAT'S, THERE'S 13 UNITS OF WHICH 13? 13 SINGLE FAMILY ONE STORY HOMES ON THAT STREET CURRENTLY. 
          ONE STORY. 
          YES, CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR, PLEASE. 
          UM, MR. CARTON? MM-HMM . 
          HI, HOW ARE YOU TODAY? GOOD. 
          UM, QUICK QUESTION. 
          UM, YOU SAID THAT EACH ONE OF THE UNITS, ALL 38 OF THEM WILL HAVE TWO PARKING SPOTS? YES. 
          TWO, TWO GARAGE RACES, SPACE FOR TWO PARKING SPOTS? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          DOES THAT MEAN AND, AND THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THE, THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THREE STORY, UH, UNITS. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE FIRST FLOOR WOULD BE PARKING AND THE LIVING UNITS, THE LIVING SPACE WOULD BE FLOORS TWO AND THREE FOR MOST OF THEM? YES. 
          AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPROMISES WE HAD TO MAKE BECAUSE ORIGINALLY WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE FLAT LEVEL UNITS THAT WOULD BE ELEVATOR ACCESSIBLE. 
          UM, BUT THE COMMUNITY HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE ORIGINAL DESIGNS AND SET UP. 
          AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN COMPROMISES WE HAD TO MAKE. 
          WE DID AMA WE WERE ABLE TO DESIGN SOME TOWN HOME UNITS SUCH THAT THEY WOULD BE ELEVATOR CAPABLE. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, THEY HAVE A CLOSET OR SOME KIND OF SPACE THAT WILL ALLOW THE INSTALLATION OF AN ELEVATOR TO KIND OF ALLEVIATE THAT ISSUE. 
          SO IF THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 36 FEET, CORRECT? MM-HMM . 
          EXCEPT FOR THOSE, THOSE USES OR SERVICES THAT LIKE CHIMNEYS AND PARAPET, THAT CAN GO HIGHER. 
          UM, AND AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROPOSING A SLOPE ROOF. 
          SO THE PITCH IS TO THE FRONT SO IT'S NOT FLAT. 
          CORRECT. 
          WE'RE HAVING EITHER SLOPE, ROOF OR A SETBACK. 
          SO IT AFFECTS SO THAT THE VISUAL PERSPECTIVE IS THAT YOU EITHER HAVE A SLOPE AS IF IT'S A TWO STORY HOME OR A SETBACK. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT SEEING THAT THIRD FLOOR FROM THE, FROM THE STREET. 
          SO IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S A SETBACK OR A SLOPE, A A PITCH ROOF, A SLOPE ROOF MM-HMM . 
          IT WOULD LOOK LIKE A TWO STORY. 
          SO THAT MEANS THAT THE, THE THIRD FLOOR WOULD BE IN THE REAR OR BEHIND THAT PITCH IN THAT IS IN THE FRONT, CORRECT? IN SOME CASES, YES. 
          IT WOULD HAVE TO BE KIND OF, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN KIND OF THE REAR OF THE BUILDING. 
          FOR THE VERY FRONT FACING. 
          THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE DIRECTLY ON THE STREET, THEY HAVE, THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE A SETBACK BECAUSE FOR ALL OF THE UNITS, WHETHER THEY HAVE A SLOPE GROUP OR NOT, THEY'RE TRYING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO SEE FROM THE THIRD FLOOR OR SEE FROM THEIR ROOF. 
          AND SO SOME OF THEM MAY WILL HAVE THAT SLOPE ROOF, AND SOME OF THEM WILL HAVE JUST THAT EXTRA SETBACK. 
          I'M SORRY, I'M, I'M EXTREMELY VISUAL AND, AND I REMEMBER THE RIGHT, RIGHT PICTURES OF THE FLAT ROOFS. 
          AND I'M TRYING TO, TO TAKE THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT YOU'RE EXPRESSING AND VISUALIZE THEM, WHICH IS A LITTLE DIFFICULT FOR ME. 
          SO LET ME, LET ME SEE IF I CAN, SO IF YOU, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF THEY ARE STREET FACING, THEN THE FIRST FLOOR WOULD BE PARKING, OR BECAUSE THEY'RE FRONT ENTRY, NOT REAR ENTRY, THAT, AND THAT THE, THE PITCH OF THE ROOF WOULD COME DOWN TO THE FRONT SO THAT YOU WOULD SEE THE, UM, SO IT LOOKED LIKE IT'S A TWO STORY, ALTHOUGH IT WOULD BE A THREE STORY, AND THOSE THAT ARE NOT STREET FACING, THEY COULD EITHER HAVE A 10 FOOT SETBACK AND I'M, I'M, I CAN'T VISUALIZE THAT, BUT IT WOULD, BUT IT WOULD STILL BE A THREE STORY. 
          WOULD THAT MEAN THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE COMPLETELY THAT THERE IS THREE STORIES AND NOT THE APPEARANCE OF TWO? I THINK FROM SOME ANGLES YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE IT'S THREE STORIES, SAME AS WITH SOME OF THE, THE NEW HOUSES THAT ARE BEING BUILT TODAY. 
          UM, BUT IT DOES HAVE SETBACKS ON, ON THERE. 
          IT REALLY D IT REALLY, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHETHER THE TOWNHOME IS AN 
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INTERIOR UNIT AND ALL THE TOWNHOMES HAVE REAR ACCESS. 
          NO, TOWNHOME HAS ITS GARAGE FACING THE STREET. 
          SO ALL THE, SO IF, IF THERE'S A TOWN HOME UNIT, SO ON 1200 GRANT, FOR EXAMPLE, AND ALL OF THEM HAVE SITE PLANS, WHICH I CAN CERTAINLY HAND OUT. 
          BUT WAIT A MINUTE. 
          SO I JUST ASKED IF IT, AND MAYBE I'M, MAYBE I DIDN'T ASK IT CORRECTLY, BUT I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT IF THERE ARE STREET FACING THAT THE GARAGES WOULD BE THEIR FRONT, THEY'RE FRONT LOADED GARAGES AND NOT REAR LOADING GARAGES, AND THAT THE FRONT, THE FIRST FLOOR WOULD BE THE GARAGE. 
          SO, I'M SORRY. 
          OH, THIS, I, I'M, I'M CONFUSING ME. 
          OR AM I THAT'S OKAY. 
          I, I PULLED IT UP HERE TO MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER. 
          SO IF YOU SEE HERE ON A ONE, RIGHT? THERE'S A SINGLE CURB CUT. 
          ALL THREE PROJECTS ONLY HAVE A SINGLE CURB CUT. 
          UH, FOR A ONE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE THEY FACE THE STREET, THEY DO HAVE A DOOR THAT FACES THE STREET, BUT EFFECTIVELY MOST OF THEIR FOREST FLOOR IS JUST A GARAGE, AND THE GARAGE IS ACCESSED THROUGH THE INTERIOR OF THE REAR OF THE SITE. 
          OKAY. 
          I I, I GOT IT. 
          I GOT IT. 
          I CAN SEE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          AS A VISUAL LEARNER MYSELF, UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR. 
          AND, UH, YOU ALSO TOOK ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          SO I HAVE SOME FOLLOW UPS. 
          UH, JUST IN TERMS OF THE PARKING, I THINK, OH, COMMISSIONER FORT, I RIGHTLY HONED IN RIGHT IN ON THE LANGUAGE OF WHAT YOU HAVE IN HERE, BUT THEN YOU ALSO COMMITTED TO TWO PARKING SPACES PER PER UNIT, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO YOU'RE COMMITTING TO THAT TODAY? MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN ALSO, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO, UM, WELL, BEFORE WE DO THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE DONE THESE MULTIPLE TIMES HERE. 
          AND, AND SO YOU KNOW THAT WHEN YOU, YOU START ONE OF THESE PROJECTS, YOU BEGIN AS, YOU KNOW, WITH ONE THING IN MIND, AND THEN YOU BEGIN TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS WHICH, UH, YOU KNOW, HAS COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND INPUT, AND YOU END UP WITH SOMETHING ELSE. 
          AND, UH, MR. GREER KIND OF BROUGHT THAT UP. 
          SO I'M, I'M HOPING THAT YOU CAN KIND OF WALK US THROUGH HOW YOUR PROJECT HAS MORPHED, YOU KNOW, FROM THE PUBLIC INPUT AND FROM THAT, THAT PROCESS WHERE YOU'RE ASKING FOLKS THAT LIVE WITHIN AN AREA, WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT WHAT SHOULD GO THERE. 
          SURE. 
          SO STARTING FROM WHERE WE, WE WERE WITH THESE KIND OF SINGLE KIND OF APARTMENT BUILDINGS WITH FLAT LEVEL UNITS, UM, THE MAJOR CHANGES WE DID, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORS LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, TOO MANY UNITS, WE UNDERSTAND THIS NEAR TRANSIT MCKINNEY, LIKE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF UNITS. 
          WE DID DO THAT. 
          THEY HAD CONCERNS ABOUT STUDIOS IN ONE BEDROOMS AND KIND OF THINGS BEING TOO AFFORDABLE, I GUESS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          UM, THEY REALLY DIDN'T WANT ANY STUDIO ONE BEDROOMS, SO WE REMOVED ALL OF THAT. 
          THEY HAD A STRONG PREFERENCE FOR TOWN HOMES OVER APARTMENTS. 
          AND SO WE JUST ELIMINATED, YOU KNOW, ALL THE APARTMENT STYLE BUILDINGS. 
          SO IT'S BECOME ALL TOWN HOMES. 
          UM, ALL OF 'EM, OF COURSE, WE HAD THE TWO CAR GARAGE BECAUSE THEY WANTED THAT, THE MARKET WOULD'VE WANT THAT. 
          WE WERE GONNA, WE WOULD DO THAT ANYWAY. 
          UM, AND THEN WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE DESIGN, WE REALLY TRIED TO WORK WITH THE HEIGHT. 
          SO AN R FIVE ZONE HAS A BASE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 30 FEET, AND WE'RE GOING FROM 30 FEET TO 36 FEET. 
          AND WHEN I ORIGINALLY STARTED THIS, THE GENERAL REFERENCE I HAD WAS THAT I WANT, I DIDN'T WANT THE BULK TO BE ANY BIGGER, THAT YOU COULDN'T PLANT LIKE A TREE OR A TREE COULDN'T BLOCK OUT THE ENTIRE BUILDING. 
          THAT WAS MY KIND OF ROUGH RULE OF THUMB. 
          UH, AND WE STILL MANAGED TO MAINTAIN THAT. 
          UH, AND WORKING WITH THE TOWN HOME DESIGN DID CREATE SOME EXTRA CHALLENGES. 
          THE COMMUNITY, WE STARTED OUT WITH JUST ONE HAVING TOWN HOMES, AND THEN IT WENT FROM ONE TO TWO, AND THEN FROM TWO TO ALL THREE BECOMING TOWN HOMES, THIS WAS THE MOST DIFFICULT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT TO TURN INTO TOWN HOMES BECAUSE FOR EACH TOWN HOME, AND TO AVOID CURB CUT, LIKE DRY GARAGES ON THE FRONT, EACH TOWN HOME HAS TO HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO ITS GARAGE. 
          AND SO THEN THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO HAVE EXTRA TURNING RADIUSES LIKE HERE, RIGHT? AND THEN, AND THEN OVER HERE. 
          AND THAT CREATED SOME EXTRA CHALLENGES WHEN YOU'RE FACTORING THAT IN, PLUS THE BUFFER, PLUS TRYING TO HAVE THE SETBACKS AND STUFF. 
          SO IT GAVE A PRETTY TIGHT BAND. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY, UM, UM, WE'VE ENDED UP WITH, YOU KNOW, NO UNITS THAT ARE UNDER, I THINK THE SMALLEST UNIT IS SOMETHING LIKE 1300 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND FROM AN AFFORDABILITY STANDPOINT, AND THIS IS FROM THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK, I'D BE SHOCKED IF ANY OF THESE, YOU PROBABLY NEED A MINIMUM INCOME OF ROUGHLY 95 TO 105,000 TO QUALIFY FOR THE, FOR SALE UNITS. 
          IT'S REALLY AIMED FOR THAT, CALL IT 90 TO 160% A MI KIND OF MIDDLE, MODERATE, MID RANGE INCOME, WHICH IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS INDICATED TO US. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          UH, ONE QUICK OTHER QUESTION. 
          UH, YOU, YOU VERY BRIEFLY, UH, TALKED ABOUT THE R SEVEN FIVE ZONING AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE 
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VERY QUICKLY GOING THROUGH IT THERE, RIGHT? AND I THINK YOU HAD MAYBE A SLIDE, IF YOU COULD, YOU GO BACK AND, AND SLOWLY GO THROUGH KIND OF WHAT YOU ALREADY COVERED BEFORE WHEN YOU WERE ADDRESSING THE CURRENT ZONING ON THE PROPERTY. 
          AND I THINK YOU HAD SOME, MAYBE IF YOU PUT A SLIDE OR TWO OF THAT, YOU SHOWED US, UH, WITH SOME NEW CONSTRUCTION THERE IN THE AREA, RIGHT. 
          THAT COULD MAYBE PUT INTO CONTEXT KIND OF WHAT I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY, BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING SO QUICKLY. 
          SORRY. 
          TRYING. 
          IT'S OKAY TO SQUEEZE INTO THE THREE MINUTE WINDOW THERE. 
          SO THIS, WE HAVE TWO SLIDES FOR IT. 
          HERE'S A VISUAL DESCRIPTION OF WHAT'S OCCURRING, RIGHT? IF WE, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AND WE DIDN'T COMMUNICATE WITH THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT NOW, THIS IS THE DEFAULT OPTION BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY IS TRYING TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          IT'S TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, ADD THESE NEW HOMES. 
          BUT THE ONLY WAY TO EXPRESS THOSE IMPROVEMENTS RIGHT NOW ARE THESE KIND OF HIGH-END SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          AND THE MARKET HERE HAS ACTUALLY BECOME SO SKEWED THAT THE MORE AFFORDABLE EXISTING UNITS TAKE EXISTING HOUSING TAKES LONGER TO SELL, MUCH LONGER THAN SELL, THAN THE HIGH END SINGLE FAMILY THAT'S GOING UP, WHICH BASICALLY TRANSLATES TO, IT'S NOT THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TO BE THERE, THEY JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT HOUSING TYPE OR HOUSING THAT REALLY REFLECTED THE QUALITIES THAT THEY WANTED THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND FOR A LOT OF THE PEOPLE, WHAT THEY REALLY WANTED WAS, I WANT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF VIEW OF DOWNTOWN, RIGHT? IF THEY CAN GET IT, UM, AND BE CLOSE, YOU KNOW, BE CLOSE TO THE CITY. 
          AND THIS MAP HERE SHOWS JUST HOW EXTENSIVE IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, UM, CAN USE THEM IN ON THAT. 
          TELL ME WHAT THOSE COLORS ARE. 
          ZOOM IN. 
          SURE. 
          UH, HOW DO I, WHAT'S SOME AREAS MY ZOOM. 
          OKAY, SO SORRY. 
          I THINK I SEE WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE THREE PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, RIGHT? SO THE THREE PROPERTIES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY ARE HERE, UH, YOU'VE GOT, THERE'S A CHURCH AND THEN THERE'S THE CORNER LOT HERE. 
          AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, THIS MAP IS REALLY SHOWING IN NOT JUST THE, THE QUANTITY, BUT JUST THE SIZE OF THE UNITS. 
          NORMALLY WHEN WE'VE SEEN GENTRIFICATION IN SOUTHERN DALLAS OR JUST SOUTHERN, SOUTHERN IN GENERAL, WE TYPICALLY SEE MUCH MORE OF THIS. 
          IT'S A VACANT LOT, AND THEY BUILD A NEW HOME THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 15 TO 2,500 SQUARE FEET, OR YOU'LL RENOVATE AN EXISTING HOME, LIKE WHAT WE MAY SEE IN NEIGHBORHOODS SUCH AS ELMWOOD OR EVEN OAK PARK ESTATE. 
          THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE I THINK BECAUSE THE UNDERINVESTMENT HAS BEEN SO SEVERE AND THE CORRECTION IS SO SEVERE THAT IT IS COMPLETELY SKIPPED THE RENOVATION STEP, IT IS GOING STRAIGHT INTO TEAR DOWNS. 
          IT'S THE ONLY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THIS AREA THAT JUST GOES FROM THE OLD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO A FULL BLOWN TEAR DOWN. 
          UM, AND WE'RE SEEING PERMITS AND WE HAVE, WE ACTUALLY HAD A, A DROPBOX THAT HAD ALL THE FILES FOR IT, BUT WE HAVE PERMITS, WE'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE PERMITS BETWEEN 3000 AND 4,000 SQUARE FEET, SEVERAL FOR OVER 4,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          UM, ALL THESE ARE SINGLE FAMILY, YES, BUT NONE OF THEM ARE REMOTELY AFFORDABLE. 
          AND FROM BOTH A LAND USE STANDPOINT AND FROM A, UH, OVERALL LIKE VIABILITY STANDPOINT, THIS TREND IS ACTUALLY ACCELERATING EVEN WITH THE CURRENT HIGH INTEREST RATES. 
          EVEN WITH CURRENT MARKET CONDITIONS. 
          UM, THE EVIDENCE HAS BEEN QUITE STARK AND VERY CLEAR. 
          WHAT DO THE COLORS SIGNIFY? I, I CAN'T READ THE TOP GRAPH. 
          SORRY. 
          SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE LARGEST ONES, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR PURPLE AND ORANGE. 
          SO ACTUALLY ON GRANT STREET ITSELF, I'M SORRY, THOSE ARE THE WHAT? SO PURPLE AND ORANGE HERE. 
          SO OVER 4,000 SQUARE FEET AND THREE TO 4,000 SQUARE FEET IN TERMS OF PERMIT SIZE, UM, YOU SEE SOME OF THESE ON GRANT STREET HERE. 
          SO YOU SEE THE PER, UH, BETWEEN THREE AND 4,000, OVER 4,000, OVER 4,000, BETWEEN THREE AND 4,000. 
          BETWEEN THREE AND 4,000. 
          SOME OF THESE ARE ALREADY ON THE EXISTING SMALLER LOTS. 
          UH, SUCH HERE IS ON VALLEYS STREET, THOSE ARE ABOUT 3,500 SQUARE FEET, BETWEEN THREE AND 4,000. 
          THREE AND 4,000. 
          UM, WE SEE ANOTHER ONE ACTUALLY DIRECTLY ADJACENT, ALMOST DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE MORRELL STATION. 
          AND WE'RE SEEING A PERMIT FOR OVER 4,000 SQUARE FEET, UM, DESPITE INFRASTRUCTURE AND GENERAL PLANNING INDICATING THAT SHOULDN'T BE THE CASE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE. 
          SO BY YOUR INDICATION THAT ADDING MORE DENSITY IS GOING TO ALLOW FOR SOME, UM, AFFORDABILITY IN, UH, THAT CURRENTLY THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ALONE IS NOT GOING TO ALLOW YES. 
          THE MATH RIGHT NOW SAYS TO BUILD THE LARGEST SINGLE FAMILY HOMES YOU CAN, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S OCCURRING. 
          WHAT, UH, WHAT THE TARGET FOR THESE WAS TO CREATE A CODE THAT EFFECTIVELY ENCOURAGES, AGAIN, REALLY 1300 TO 2,500 SQUARE FOOT HOMES. 
          BASICALLY THAT MID RANGE SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          IT'S JUST IN A MODERN CONFIGURATION WITH THE, A KEY AMENITY THAT MANY OF THEM WANT, WHICH IS THAT ROOFTOP DECK AND A VIEW. 
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SO BY CREATING A, A PARTICULAR TOWN HOME DISTRICT, IS THERE ANY OVERFLOW PARKING? SOME, UH, QUITE A BIT OF THE, UM, TOWN HOME DI UH, AREAS THAT ARE BUILDING TOWN HOMES. 
          THEY DO LEAVE ROOM AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AND RIGHT CLOSE TO THE FRONT. 
          UM, MAYBE AN ADDITIONAL, IT'S NOT A BUNCH OF OLD FLOOR PARKING, IT MIGHT BE ANYWHERE FROM, UM, DEPENDING ON IF IT'S TWO SHARED EXCESS, I'VE SEEN ANYWHERE FROM ABOUT FOUR EXTRA SPOTS, SOME AT THE REAR, SOME AT THE FRONT, UM, SO ABOUT TWO AT THE FRONT, TWO AT THE REAR. 
          AND IT'S BE, AND I'M ASKING THAT BECAUSE THERE IS SUCH A, UM, YOU, YOU'RE PLACING FOUR BUILDINGS ON THIS SITE. 
          UM, AND SO BY CALCULATIONS OF THE OTHER TOWN HOME DISTRICTS THAT I'VE SEEN, THAT WOULD EQUATE TO ABOUT EIGHT ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES. 
          EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT IN THE TOWN HOME DISTRICTS, WHEN YOU'RE CONSTITUTING THOSE TWO PARKING SPACES, THAT'S DISTRICT JUST THE GARAGES, AND THEY, THEY ACTUALLY, UM, UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE A MAJOR OVERFLOW. 
          BUT IN, IN THESE DISTRICTS THAT HAVE MULTIPLE ON ONE SPOT, THEY DO HAVE THOSE SINGLE SOME SETS IN THROUGHOUT THE, UH, PROJECT. 
          OR DO YOU NOT HAVE ROOM? 'CAUSE I'M LOOKING, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE, THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU HAD? UM MM-HMM . 
          WHERE IT SHOWS ALL FOUR BUILDINGS. 
          UH, LET SEE, ONE OF 'EM HAS ALL OF THE BUILDINGS. 
          IT, THAT ONE IS NOT TO THE RESOLUTION. 
          THAT'LL SHOW ALL OF THE DETAIL PER SE. 
          BUT, UM, NO, NO, I THINK THE ONE, THIS ONE, THE ONE THAT ONE WE JUST LOOKED AT. 
          YEAH, THIS ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          SO, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS EVEN IS IN OUR PV TO BE EVEN DISCUSSING THIS, BUT THEY'RE USUALLY LIKE, WHERE YOU, RIGHT THERE IN THE FRONT, I GUESS RIGHT HERE, IS THAT A PARKING SPACE AT THE END OF A FOUR? IS THAT A PARKING SPACE? YES, THAT IS. 
          SO, YEAH, SO USUALLY WHEN LOOKING AT, THEY DO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING. 
          AND I ONLY ASK THAT IS SO THAT PARKING DOESN'T OVERFLOW ON GRANT STREET, BUT THEY DO HAVE SOME THAT IS KIND OF COMMUNAL BEING SENT. 
          PRO NINE OUT 10 IS GONNA BE HLA ALSO. 
          YEP. 
          THERE IS SOME, NOT A BUNCH. 
          ARE YOU, IS THERE ANY, YEAH. 
          SO WHERE, WHERE, AND IS THIS A STREET, THIS A STREET BEHIND A THREE, UH, UH, BEHIND A THREE? NO, THAT'S THE, THE ALLEY ITSELF. 
          THAT'S THE ALLEY ITSELF. 
          RIGHT? SO ESSENTIALLY THE, THE TRADE AND THIS CONFIGURATION, THE, THE, WE CAN, WE'VE LOOKED AT WHERE WE WANNA POSITION A COUPLE MORE SPOTS HERE. 
          UH, FOR THIS SITE SPECIFICALLY, IT'S MOSTLY IT IS GONNA CREATE MORE OF ITS PARKING SPACES ON SITE. 
          UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT HERE AT WANT, OR MAYBE A TWO HERE, BUT EVERY TIME YOU HAD A PARKING SPACE THAT CUTS INTO SOMEONE'S YARD. 
          UM, BUT WE, WE, WE, WE DID WANT TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT. 
          YES. 
          THAT KINDA IS WHAT THEY DO. 
          AND I, AND I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT DESIGN STANDARDS, BUT JUST ASKING, BECAUSE THE TOWN HOME DISTRICTS THAT I'VE SEEN THAT IS BEING BUILT, THEY DO KINDA LEAVE THE TWO. 
          YOU, YOU DO HAVE THOSE TWO DESIGNATED, WHICH IS TICKLING IS YOUR GARAGE, RIGHT? AND HOW LARGE IS THESE SHARED ACCESS, UH, IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS? IS THERE A 25 FEET OR 30? SO THESE HAVE, LEMME SEE, WHAT DO I, THESE HAVE 22 FEET. 
          SO THIS IS WOULD BE A SINGULAR SHARED ACCESS. 
          THIS ONE, HE, SO THIS ONE IS NOT A SHARED A, THIS IS ONE THAT RUNS AS A SINGULAR ONE. 
          THE OTHER TWO ARE SHARED ACCESS, AND THEY DO HAVE THE, THE PROPER SPACING. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING TO YOUR, TO YOUR PARKING QUESTION IS BECAUSE OF THE GEOMETRY OF GRANT STREET, AND WE ALSO WANTED TO CREATE, AGAIN, MORE PARKING ON THE STREET THAN WOULD OTHERWISE BE AVAILABLE. 
          THERE'S A PROVISION IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT CODE TO HAVE THAT 10 FOOT SETBACK. 
          THAT 10 FOOT SETBACK IS SPECIFICALLY TO CREATE, ESSENTIALLY CREATE PUBLIC PARALLEL PARKING AND LOADING AREAS WHERE PRESENT DAY GRANT WOULD NOT HAVE THOSE. 
          UM, AND, AND HOW IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT YOUR, UM, YOUR LANDSCAPE? BECAUSE IT APPEARS THAT ON GRAND STREET THAT YOUR LANDSCAPE IS CLOSER TO THE CURB, OR MAYBE I'M NOT SEEING, WELL, IS THESE THESE TREES AND TREES IN A CIRCLE? AM I CORRECT? SO IN PRACTICE, SO FOR THIS ONE IS, IS PROBABLY MORE THE, THE EXCEPTION. 
          BUT THIS ONE WE'D HAVE, IF YOU ADD REALLY ONLY A SINGLE SPOT HERE OR A LOADING SPOT HERE, YOU WOULD SET THESE STREET, THESE STREET TREES SLIGHTLY CLOSER TO THE HOMES THEMSELVES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          RIGHT. 
          WHICH WOULD BE PREFERABLE. 
          WE HAVE YOUR SIDEWALK THERE, SCREENING, YOU KNOW, SHADE AND ALL OF THAT. 
          UH, FOR THE OTHER ONES WHERE THEY HAVE MORE STREET FRONTAGE TO WORK WITH, THEY'RE ABLE TO, THEY JUST DIRECTLY CREATE MORE PARALLEL PARKING, UH, THAT'S CONNECTED TO THE STREET ITSELF. 
          AND SO IT'S NOT JUST OPEN TO THEM, IT'S OPEN TO JUST THE GENERAL PUBLIC. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S JUST, THAT'S FINE. 
          I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHETHER IT WAS OR NOT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, GOOD EVENING, MR. CARIN. 
          UM, THE, YOUR, YOUR PLANS, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD ME DOING A BRIEF ASK ABOUT GARAGE FACING GARAGES OR FRONT DOORS FACING GARAGES. 
          CAN YOU SPEAK TO HOW YOUR HOMES WILL BE ADDRESSED OR THE TOWN HOMES WILL BE FACING EACH OTHER AS YOU PLAN OUT? SO IT WAS EVEN PRIOR TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS I SPECIFICALLY DID NOT WANT ANY FRONT FACING GARAGES. 
          THAT WAS ONE BIG DESIGN REQUIREMENT. 
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WE WANTED TO CREATE EYES ON THE STREET. 
          WE WANT DOORS ON THE STREET. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, NONE OF THEM HAVE GARAGES NOW INTERIOR TO THE PROPERTIES, RIGHT? THEIR GARAGES MAY FACE EACH OTHER. 
          AND IN SOME DESIGNS, SUCH AS YOU SEE HERE IN A THREE, THEY HAVE BOTH A FRONT AND A REAR ACCESS POINT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, INTERIOR, THEY HAVE A GARAGE, BUT LIVING IN A SUBDIVISION THAT'S SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO THAT, UM, IT DOESN'T REALLY CAUSE ANY ISSUES. 
          AND ALSO THESE, THESE STREETS BEING, THEY'RE SO SMALL AND RELATIVELY NARROW HAS BEEN, IT'S VERY CONDUCIVE TO YOUNG FAMILIES BECAUSE THERE'S NO THROUGH TRAFFIC AND THERE'S NO, THE DESIGN BASICALLY INDICATES THERE'S NO, NO PLACE NOR NEED TO GATHER SPEED. 
          AND SO IT KIND OF MAKES ESSENTIALLY KIND OF A POCKET AREA, UM, TO, FOR FAMILIES TO WATCH THEIR KIDS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          AND THE REASON I ASK IS A LOT OF TIMES THE WAY THESE BUILDINGS ARE BUILT, THEY CREATE LIKE A CORRIDOR THAT'S DARK AND NOT WELCOMING FOR FAMILIES. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE SO YOU CAN CONSIDER IT AS YOU MOVE FORWARD. 
          BUT THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FORSYTH. 
          I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY ON YOUR, UM, SLIDE THAT YOU SHOWED WITH THE, UH, RECENT DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, THE HOUSES, UH, THAT, UM, ARE ALONG CLAUDE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, RIGHT? YES. 
          SO THERE HAS BEEN NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME DEVELOPMENT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SOME OF THEM ARE, ARE IN THAT A THOUSAND TO, TO 2000 SQUARE FEET RANGE. 
          THAT HAS BECOME INCREASINGLY RARE IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. 
          I SAW A LOT OF GREEN AND YELLOW ON THAT MAP. 
          THIS IS A, THIS IS THE LAST FIVE YEARS. 
          SO YES, THERE ARE SOME PERMITS IN THAT RANGE, BUT, UH, YOU'LL BE HARD PRESSED TO FIND ANY IN THAT RANGE AT THIS POINT. 
          IN RECENT 2022 TO 2024, THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN ACTUALLY THREE NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BUILT ON GRANT STREET RECENTLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE YOU CORRECT, YOUR MAP SHOWED THAT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UH, WHAT OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, BY THE WAY, UH, ARE YOU GONNA MEET MAKING BESIDES, UH, PAVING THE, UH, ALLEY? AND IS THAT, UH, CODIFIED IN THE, IN, IN, IN THE, IN, IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT YOU WILL BE, UH, DOING THE WATERLINE IN THE ALLEY? I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S CODIFIED FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT, BUT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, THERE REALLY ISN'T A WAY AROUND IT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO CREATE A WATERLINE LOOP. 
          THIS WAS SOMETHING I DI I DISCUSSED WITH MY ENGINEERS, BUT YOU ALSO NEED TO DO THAT ALLEY TOO. 
          YES. 
          FROM A CIRCULATION STANDPOINT. 
          SO THIS ALLEY IS DESIGNED TO, TO BREAK UP THAT TRAFFIC ALSO FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT. 
          THE AREA DOES HAVE, HAS HAD SOME ISSUES WITH PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, CAMPING IN THE ALLEY BECAUSE IT'S UNPAID AND UNUSED AND NO ONE'S THERE. 
          UM, BY ADDING EVEN A VERY LIGHT AMOUNT OF ACTIVITY THERE THAT HELPS TO THE TIER, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT OTHER, UH, NOT SO POSITIVE ACTIVITY, YOU KNOW, AND REFERRING TO THAT ACTIVITY, I MEAN, YOU'RE AWARE THAT, UH, IT'S, UH, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORS, THERE'S STILL A PROBLEM WITH PROSTITUTION AND LOITERING AND VANDALISM AND VAGRANCY ALONG THAT, UH, ALONG, UH, LY YES. 
          I, I AM AWARE, UM, I'M ALSO AWARE THAT WHERE MY PROPERTIES ARE HELD, UM, I DON'T HAVE SUCH ISSUES BECAUSE THESE COMMUNITIES, AND BECAUSE THEY'RE THREE PROJECTS AND NOT JUST ONE SINGLE HOUSE, I'M ABLE TO QUOTE UNQUOTE DEFEND THEM BETTER. 
          AND PART OF CREATING THESE LITTLE COMMUNITIES LIKE THIS IS THAT A COMMUNITY OF EVEN 10 OR 12 TOWN HOMES IS ABLE TO KEEP MUCH BETTER EYES ON THE STREET BECAUSE THERE'S FAR MORE LIKELY TO BE SOMEONE WHO SEES THAT ACTIVITY AND PEOPLE KNOWING THAT THERE ARE EYES ON THE STREET TO TEARS, THAT TYPE OF ACTIVITY. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S SPECIFIC TO 2 0 2, UM, WHERE CURRENTLY DLY DRIVE HAS NO ALMOST VERY FEW, UH, HOMES THAT FACE IT. 
          AND THE PRIMARY AREA WHERE YOU SEE THIS ACTIVITY IS A LONG DLY DRIVE BECAUSE THERE ARE NO EYES ON THE STREET. 
          AND WHILE THE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEEING THESE LARGER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BEING BUILT, UM, WHETHER BUILDERS OR OCCUPANTS ONE HOME OR ONE HOME OCCUPANT CANNOT KEEP A PERFECT EYE ON IT ALL THE TIME. 
          BUT A SMALL COMMUNITY CAN. 
          ARE YOU, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE, THE NEIGHBORS, UH, TODAY AREN'T AWARE OF THAT AND AREN'T REPORTING THE ISSUE TO THE CITY? THEY ARE REPORTING THE ISSUES TO THE CITY. 
          I'M PERSONALLY REPORTING THE ISSUES TO THE CITY, BUT, UM, AS EVIDENCED BY ITS CONTINUED ACTIVITY, UH, THAT ALONE IS, DOESN'T QUITE DO IT. 
          IT'S ALSO, IT'S A DETERRENT. 
          EVEN WITH ALL OF MY PROPERTIES HAVING, UM, TRESPASSING AFFIDAVITS SIGNED AND EXECUTED, THAT ONLY REALLY PROTECTS, YOU KNOW, MY SECTION OF GRANTS THREE, WE CAN'T, IT DOESN'T PROJECT TO EVERYTHING ELSE BUT OUR BILL. 
          BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT ONE OTHER KEY THING IS THAT THE TOWN HOMES DO ALLOW FOR HIGHER LEVELS OF SECURITY AGAIN, THEN OTHERWISE WOULD BE POSSIBLE WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, 
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IF ONLY FROM A PURE BUDGET BUDGET STANDPOINT. 
          UM, ONE LAST QUESTION, UM, ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE EARLIER TODAY, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS ON GRANT STREET ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STREET TODAY. 
          I'M SORRY, THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS ON EITHER SIDE OF GRANT STREET TODAY, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          PEOPLE JUST PARK, PEOPLE JUST PARK RIGHT ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, CORRECT. 
          CURRENTLY TODAY. 
          SO, UM, ARE, ARE, ARE YOU, HAVE YOU MADE ANY COMMITMENTS TO THE NEIGHBORS IN TERMS OF BUILDING, UH, SIDEWALKS, UH, COMPLETELY ALONG THE STREET, NOT JUST IN FRONT OF YOUR APARTMENT UNITS? I'VE MADE COMMITMENTS TO WORK ON IMPROVING THE DESIGN OF IT. 
          THE THING IS, WHEN YOU'RE GETTING INTO OLDER PRE ACTUALLY PRE WORLD, I, PRE WORLD WAR I NEIGHBORHOODS, SOME OF THEIR RIGHT OF WAYS ARE SO, ARE SO SMALL THAT THE ACTUAL CITY DESIGN MANUAL DOESN'T GO UNDER 50 FEET. 
          ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAD TO WORK REALLY, REALLY HARD ON THIS PD IS TO BOTH IS TO PROTECT THAT 40 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE WE ARE CAPABLE OF BUILDING THESE SHARED ACCESS DEVELOPMENTS OR SMALL RIGHT OF WAY DEVELOPMENTS IN BRAND NEW NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          BUT IF WE TRY TO IMPLEMENT THIS TYPE OF DESIGN IN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS OR RETROFIT THEM, CURRENT CITY CODE TYPICALLY WILL SAY, WE'RE GONNA FORCE YOU TO EXPAND TO 50 FEET OR FORCE YOU TO EXPAND TO 56 FEET, WHICH CUTS INTO NOT JUST MY PROPERTY, BUT MORE PRACTICALLY THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY FOR EXTRA WIDTH THEY DON'T NEED BECAUSE GRANT STREET IS A FUNCTIONAL VEHICULAR DEAD END, AND WE'D LIKE IT TO STAY THAT WAY. 
          IT ACTUALLY MAKES IT MUCH, MUCH SAFER FROM A TRAFFIC SPEED, TRAFFIC SPEED STANDPOINT. 
          SO YOU MAY HAVE SIDEWALKS ON ONLY ONE SIDE OR PARALLEL PARKING ON THE OTHER. 
          IT IS, I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS FOR US TO DETERMINE EXACTLY THE CONFIGURATION OF THAT 40 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY. 
          WHAT WE WILL COMMIT TO IS COOPERATING AND WORKING AS BEST AS WE CAN TO GIVE THAT STREET THE BEST, YOU KNOW, IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE CAN. 
          BUT NOT EVERY STREET IF IT'S SMALL ENOUGH AND NARROW ENOUGH NEEDS DOUBLE SIDEWALKS ON EACH WAY. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTION ABOUT DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          I MAY BE REPEATING SOME THINGS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY, UM, TALKED THROUGH, BUT I, I NOTICED IN THE SITE PLANS THAT YOU HAD UP AND THAT WERE, UM, SHARED WITH THE COMMISSION, THE STANDARDS HAVE A 15 FOOT MINIMUM, BUT YOUR SITE PLANS ALL ARE EFFECTIVELY SHOWING 20, WHICH IS WHAT'S THE R FIVE CORRECT. 
          STANDARD? IS THAT WHAT'S ON THE GROUND TODAY THAT THE 20 FOOT IS, I BELIEVE IT'S WHAT'S ON THE GROUND TODAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE INTEND TO, WE INTEND TO KEEP THAT BECAUSE WE, BECAUSE OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY ISSUE IN THE CITY TRYING TO, I GUESS, FORCE A RIGHT OF WAY TO EXPAND, IN MY OPINION, NOT NECESSARILY, WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STREET AND THE BLOCK FACE LINES UP WITH A SINGLE FAMILY, WHETHER THEY TOOK FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OR NOT. 
          AND I GUESS WHERE I'M GOING IS THAT IF YOUR INTENT IS TO DO 20, WOULD THERE BE A REASON WHY THAT WOULDN'T BE WHAT THE BASE CONDITION WAS? SO IF, IF THE CITY EXPANDS THEIR, LET'S SAY THE, THE CURRENT RIGHT OF WAY IS 40 FEET, IF THE CITY EXPANDS TO WHAT THEIR STANDARD RIGHT OF WAY ASSUMPTION IS. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          YOU'RE SAYING YOU WOULD LOSE THAT FIVE FEET, YOU WOULD LOSE AT FIVE FEET. 
          AND SO BY HAVING IT AT 15 FEET, SINCE THAT FIVE FEET IS NO LONGER TECHNICALLY ON OUR PROPERTY, RIGHT. 
          15 FEET PLUS THE FIVE THE CITY HAS TAKEN, MAKES IT EFFECTIVELY LINE UP WITH THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY. 
          SO IF THE CITY DOES, IF THE RIGHT OF WAY IS NOT EXPANDED, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO ANTICIPATE A FUTURE RIGHT OF WAY REVISION THAT WOULD IF YOU HAD WELL, ANYWAY, I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, RIGHT. 
          I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW TO MAYBE CAPTURE THAT SO THAT IT'S CLEAR IN THE CONDITIONS. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS TOUGH. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE, WE TRIED TO NO, I THANK YOU. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION RELATED TO THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE PROVISIONS THAT TALK ABOUT ALLOWING PARALLEL PARKING IN THE FRONT YARD AS WELL. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND I THINK IT'S RELATED TO THAT, BUT AGAIN, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF ENCROACHMENTS THAT ARE COMING INTO WHAT TODAY APPEARS TO BE ESSENTIALLY AN OPEN, YOU KNOW, FRONT YARD, GREEN SPACE SHARED BY THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND HOW, HOW IS THAT BEING CODIFIED IN, IN THESE CONDITIONS? SO THE 10 FOOT PROVISION IS ESSENTIALLY SAY THAT BASICALLY ESSENTIALLY TO PUT THE BURDEN ON THESE PROPERTIES WITHOUT PUTTING THE BURDEN ON THE OTHER PROPERTIES. 
          SO THAT, LET'S SAY WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE THE COMMUNITIES, LIKE WE WANNA CREATE MORE PARALLEL PARKING SPACE, RIGHT? CURRENT 40 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO DOUBLE PARALLEL PARKING, IT'S TOUGH. 
          THEN YOU DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE ISSUES WITH SIDEWALKS. 
          BUT WITH THIS WE CAN SAY, OKAY, WHAT IF IT'S THE COMMUNITY TO CREATE PARALLEL PARKING OR LOADING AREAS, THEY JUST NEED AN EXTRA FIVE FEET, RIGHT? OR AN EXTRA SEVEN OR EIGHT FEET. 
          THIS ENABLES THESE PROPERTIES TO CREATE THAT PUBLIC, PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE PARKING OR LOADING SPACE WITH THAT LIMITATION. 
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IT'S REALLY A RESPONSE TO THE AL TO THE SMALLER RIGHT OF WAY OF THE STREET. 
          BUT THIS IS WRITTEN THAT IT'S ALLOWED TO BE AN ENCROACHMENT WITHIN THE FRONT YARD, NOT THAT IT'S PART OF THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          AND I GUESS, AND THEN RELATED TO THAT, WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, UM, THE SIDEWALK PROVISIONS, RIGHT? AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE PUTTING PARKING, THAT MEANS YOUR SIDEWALK'S GOING TO MOVE, I THINK INBOARD TO WHERE POTENTIAL PARALLEL PARKING MIGHT BE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, WHICH I, AND AGAIN, THERE'S PROVISIONS ON HOW YOU MANAGE THAT, RIGHT? BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE LEFT WITH NO FRONT YARD FOR THE UNITS. 
          SO IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE KIND OF, THERE'S DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO ANTICIPATE WHAT WE CAN AND DELIVER WHAT THE BEST THING WE CAN, BUT ANTICIPATE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS IN THE SCENARIO WHERE THE CITY IS, AND WE HOPE WE'VE RESOLVED THIS, BUT IN A SCENARIO WHERE THE CITY SAYS WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND THE RIGHT OF WAY ITSELF BY FIVE FEET ON YOUR SIDE, RIGHT? THEN THAT MAKES IT 50 FEET. 
          AND THEN THE CITY'S OWN RIGHT OF WAY HAS ENOUGH SPACE TO CREATE PARALLEL PARKING. 
          THERE'S NO NEED FOR US TO FURTHER INSET INTO IT. 
          RIGHT? THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF IT. 
          THAT'S WHAT HAS THAT CODE. 
          IF THE CITY DOES NOT UNNECESSARILY EXPAND THE RIGHT OF WAY, RIGHT? THEN WE AS THE PRIVATE BUILDERS CAN EXPAND THE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE PARALLEL PARKING ON THAT SITE WITHOUT ENCROACHING ON THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          AND WE PREFER IT THAT WAY BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN SAY IF SOMEONE ELSE ON THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SAYS, WE WANT TO IMPROVE OUR HOUSE, WE WANNA STAY HERE OR EXPAND WHATEVER THEY WANNA DO, THE 40 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY STAYS INTACT. 
          THEY'RE NOT LOSING THEIR FRONT YARD TO COMPLY TO SOME, TO COMPLY TO THIS KIND OF OVERSIZED CITY REQUIREMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          I, AGAIN, I THINK I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          I'M NOT SURE THAT I SEE IT IN THE CONDITIONS, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO ANTICIPATE A FUTURE SCENARIO THAT'S NOT ON THE GROUND TODAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, TWO OTHER QUESTIONS, IF I MAY. 
          UM, ON THE HEIGHT PROVISIONS YOU'RE STRUCK, AND I'M, I I'M GONNA TALK ON THE FIRST CASE. 
          I KNOW THEY'RE ALL THE SAME. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WITHIN THE HEIGHT IT SAYS THAT ABOVE 30 FEET YOU'RE GONNA DO THE 10 FOOT STEP BACK 40 FEET. 
          BUT THE PROVISION ACTUALLY SAYS 40 FEET. 
          AND SO I'M UNCLEAR WHERE, WHAT HAPPENS BETWEEN 30 AND 40 SO YOU HAVE IT CORRECT. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S 40, BUT THE EFFECTIVE HEIGHT IS 36. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS, OKAY, IF YOU HAVE A, A RAILING RIGHT ON YOUR ROOF, THAT RAILING IS NOT IMPEDED BY IT. 
          AND THEN AFTER BEYOND THAT YOU DO NEED TO SET BACK. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO AVOID, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE, THE ABILITY TO DO, WE HAVE THAT SETBACK AT 40 FEET AND YOU CAN'T, FOR, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A CHIMNEY OR A STAIRCASE OR SOMETHING, YOU CAN'T HAVE THE STAIRCASE OR CHIMNEY IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING OR IN THE FRONT OF THE, OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THEN IT BECOMES, THE BULK BECOMES TOO GREAT. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO, TRYING TO MITIGATE. 
          WE WOULDN'T HAVE A PARTICULAR ISSUE WITH DOING IT AT 30 FEET. 
          BUT THE DESIGN WAS, THE DESIGN CONSTRAINTS OF A TOWN HOME ESSENTIALLY MEANS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER ROOM TO SET IT BACK. 
          YOU KIND OF RUN OUT, YOU RUN OUTTA ROOM ON THAT THIRD FLOOR UNTIL THE, TO THE POINT WHERE IT COMES IMPRACTICAL. 
          'CAUSE IF YOU SEE, I'LL SHOW YOU ON A, ON A, YEAH, IF YOU HAVE AN IMAGE, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE AGAIN, IT SAYS FOR BUILDINGS TALLER THAN 30 FEET, ONE OF THE FOLLOWING IS REQUIRED. 
          RIGHT. 
          ONE IS AN ADDITIONAL SETBACK OF 10 FEET FOR PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING HIGHER THAN 42 IS THE TOP OF THE FRONT FACADE MUST, AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THE SLOPED ROOF AREA. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I I I DON'T YOU, YOU DO ONE OR THE OTHER. 
          SO IF I'M GOING UP TO, WELL, IF I GO ABOVE 30, I GUESS THEN YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO 10, EVEN THOUGH THE PROVISION'S SET YOU'RE RELATIVE TO 40 FEET. 
          SO IF YOU GO ABOVE 30, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO ONE OF THOSE FACADE ENHANCEMENTS, EITHER SETBACK OR THE SLOPE. 
          THE PORCH YEAH. 
          THE SLOPE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S THE RULE. 
          AND HOW DOES THAT I, WELL, OKAY, , I'LL STOP THERE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          NO, YOU'RE GOOD. 
          AND THEN THE FINAL QUESTION, THIS WAS I THINK A LOT OF WHAT, UM, WAS TALKED ABOUT WITH THE PARKING GARAGES AND HOW THE GARAGES, UM, ORIENTED TOWARDS THE INTERIOR SO THAT YOU HAVE A FACADE FACING THE STREET. 
          UM, BUT I DON'T SEE, AND AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE FUNCTIONAL, YOU NEED TO GET GARAGES AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS, BUT THERE'S NO TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE ANYTHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE A FRONT DOOR, IF YOU WILL, OR ANY PROVISIONS THAT TALK ABOUT HOW THE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO ENGAGE WITH THE STREET. 
          THERE SHOULD BE, I THOUGHT WE HAD A FRONT DOOR PROVISION IN THERE. 
          'CAUSE THAT WAS ONE THING WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOUNT FOR. 
          WELL, YOU, YOU HAVE THE OPTION THAT YOU CAN DO THE ENCLOSED, UN ENCLOSED, EXCUSE ME, FRONT PORCH, NO MORE THAN 15 FEET IN HEIGHT OR THE, UM, ENHANCED PLANTING AREA. 
          I MAY HAVE READ BY IT, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT REQUIRED YOU TO HAVE ESSENTIALLY A FRONT DOOR OR SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING ENGAGED 
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WITH THE STREET. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          FRONT DOOR, WE THAT'S FINE. 
          IT SHOULDN'T BE IN THERE, BUT IF IT'S NOT, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE A FRONT DOOR REQUIREMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND I KNOW WE'VE FOCUSED ON MR. CARDIN, BUT IS IT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO ASK A QUESTION OF MR. GREER? OF COURSE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. GREER. 
          MAY I ASK YOU,  YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE, OR I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THERE WERE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT LIKE TO SEE, AND I WAS CURIOUS IF YOU HAD THOSE THAT YOU COULD SHARE WITH THE COMMISSION? WELL, I'M, I WILL SAY I'M A VISUAL LEARNER, SO I'M NOT ALWAYS GETTING PAUL'S VISION BECAUSE I'M SEEING FOUR SECTIONS OF A BUILDING WHERE IT WAS JUST, WHAT WAS IT? TWO HOUSES? TWO, TWO LARGER HOUSES. 
          TWO LARGER HOUSES. 
          SO I'M NOT, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO YOU COMPACT? THIS IS AT THE END OF 12, UH, GRANT STREET, 1200 GRAND STREET, WHICH IS THAT HOUSE THAT HAS A GREEN PICKET, UH, THE PICKET FENCE IN FRONT OF IT. 
          THE OLD HOUSE. 
          I THINK IT'S GREEN. 
          OKAY. 
          I WOULDN'T LIVE THERE. 
          BUT IF, UH, I THOUGHT IF HE'S TAILORING TOWARDS YOUNGER PEOPLE, I, I'M 39, I WOULDN'T LIVE THERE. 
          I WOULDN'T WANNA LOOK AT MY NEIGHBORS. 
          I, I LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY H UH, HOUSE, AND I STILL DON'T WANNA LOOK AT MY NEIGHBORS. 
          BUT IF I, BUT THEN I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, HONESTLY, THE PARKING IS GONNA BE CRAZY. 
          I ALREADY HAVE PARKING ISSUES IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE. 
          SO MINE IS, I JUST SEE MORE PEOPLE, MORE PEOPLE ON A DEAD END STREET, MORE PEOPLE. 
          AND SO, BUT UH, I WOULD SAY HE DID REDUCE SOME, UH, HE DID SCALE DOWN, BUT I WOULD SAY PARKING. 
          BUT THEN I, I THINK A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL ASKED HIM, WE ASKED, AND SOMETIMES THE ANSWER IS CONFUSING. 
          AND I'M JUST, UH, WHICH ONE IS BY THE, ON THE DEAD END STREET? I THINK THAT'S THIS ONE, THIS ONE DEAD END SITE PLAN THAT'S UP HERE. 
          ONE 1200 STREET, 1200 GRANT. 
          SO I, I WOULD SAY, AS I SAID EARLIER, 75% OF ME AGREES, BUT PROBABLY NOT WITH THE GRANT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I JUST DON'T SEE, OKAY. 
          SO IT'S A QUESTION OF HOW IT'S INTEGRATING CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. BUT THEN THE HEIGHT IS CONFUSING TOO BECAUSE I, I, I KNOW THE ZONE IS DIFFERENT, BUT THE HEIGHT AND THEN WITH IT BEING AROUND OTHER SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES IS KIND OF, AND HOW AND HOW THAT, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU, MR. FOR CAN I, CAN I ASK HIM A QUESTION? OF COURSE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UH, CAMERON, WOULD YOU COME BACK? W WOULD YOU DESCRIBE FOR THE COMMISSION, THE PRO ACQUIRING PROBLEMS THAT YOU, YOU, YOU, THAT ARE, HAVE BEEN ENDEMIC TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? ME PERSONAL? YES. 
          WOULD YOU, I WOULD YOU, YOU KNOW, JUST HELP THE COMMISSION TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, UH, SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT Y'ALL HAVE IN THE BRENTWOOD TRINITY HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD, PARTICULARLY ALONG DENLEY AND MORRELL. 
          WELL, I WOULD SAY THERE'S A LOT OF, I WOULD SAY THE AREA SHIFTING, BUT IT HAS NOT CHANGED YET ON THAT STREET. 
          IT'S A LOT OF, OF LADIES OF THE NIGHT, UH, A GENTLEMAN OF THE NIGHT, UH, A LOT OF, A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PASSING, PASSING OUT THINGS OTHER THAN CANDY. 
          UH, AND SO IT'S, MY THING IS IT HASN'T BEEN CLEANED UP. 
          AND BY BUILDING MORE STUFF, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK ADD, IF WE HAVE NOT CLEANED IT UP YET, I DON'T THINK BY ADDING MORE STUFF IS THAT'S GONNA BE WHAT IS GONNA BE CLEANED UP. 
          I WILL SAY THAT PARKING IS CRAZY. 
          THE STREETS ARE NOT WIDE ALREADY. 
          UH, IT'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF, A LOT OF STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON BEFORE. 
          I SEE SOME OF HIS VISION, BUT I DON'T SEE THE OVERALL, BECAUSE I HAVE TO LIVE THERE. 
          YES. 
          I JUST HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION. 
          NO. 
          OH, PLEASE, OF COURSE. 
          UH, YOU LIVE ON HENDRICK STREET, RIGHT? YES. 
          HENDRICKS. 
          AND YOU LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPERTY. 
          I BELIEVE IT WAS 1311 HENDRICK STREET. 
          THERE WAS A, A SUBJECT OF A REZONING CASE A FEW MONTHS AGO. 
          YES. 
          YOU REMEMBER THAT? YES. 
          WITH, UH, DUPLEX. 
          AND THAT CASE WAS THE DEVELOPERS WANTING TO BUILD A TOWN HOME? THREE, UH, I THINK REZONING, UH, IN WHAT IS R FIVE TODAY? MM-HMM . 
          WOULD YOU TELL THE COMMISSION, UH, YOU KNOW, WH WHAT, WHAT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE THEN IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS? UH, HE ENDED UP BUILDING A SINGLE, UH, ACTUALLY SOMEBODY JUST MOVED IN, BUT HE UP BUILDING A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE THAT'S LIKE THE TALLEST HOUSE ON THE STREET. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          BUT, BUT YOU WILL CONFIRM THAT 
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THERE ARE A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BEING BUILT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          YES, THERE'S A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          UH, AND I THINK, UH, I DON'T KNOW EVERYBODY IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          I THINK ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET HAS ABOUT FIVE CARS AND THEY HAVE TO PARK ON THE GRASS. 
          SO IF THEY'RE DOING THAT ON A SINGLE FAMILY, IMAGINE WHAT THEY'LL DO WITH A TOWNHOUSE, BUT YEP, YEP, YEP. 
          MR. WHEELER, PLEASE. 
          HAVE YOU EVER VISITED A TOWN, A TOWN HOME DISTRICT? YES, I WORK IN REAL ESTATE. 
          SO. 
          AND SO HAVE YOU NOTICED IN THE ENTIRE HOME DISTRICT THAT THAT'S NOT THE CASE? AND ESPECIALLY IN THE ONES THAT THEY'RE BUILDING THAT'S KIND, THAT'S SIMILAR TO THIS, THAT THEY ACTUALLY USED THEIR DRIVEWAYS A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          THEY USED THEIR CAR, THEIR GARAGES MORE THAN THEY USE STREETS. 
          I WOULD SAY THERE'S A AREA THAT I KNOW OF IN SOUTH DALLAS THAT HAS THIS, UH, IT'S KIND OF WHERE THE BONINE AREA IS, WHERE IT IS TOWNHOUSES AND APARTMENTS, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE HE MADE THE CHANGE. 
          WOULD YOU BE TALKING ABOUT BETWEEN, UH, MACON STREET AND ANDERSON? YES. 
          AND DO YOU KNOW THAT THOSE WERE CREATED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS TO HAVE PARALLEL PARKING AND TO HAVE REAR FACING, BUT HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT THERE IS NOT OVERCROWDING OF CARS? YES. 
          I NOTICED THERE'S NOT. 
          I'M FROM , SO , I FIGURED . 
          YEAH. 
          FROM, UM, DO, UH, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT AS GOING FOR IS THE AFFORDABILITY THAT THOSE SINGLE FOUND HOUSES ARE GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I ALSO USED TO LIVE ON HENDRICKS, SO AS A KID. 
          UM, BUT THEY'RE GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND SO THE ALTERNATIVE TO BUILDING SOMETHING AFFORDABLE, UM, WITH THESE TOWN HOME DISTRICTS, UH, VERSUS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT'S GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH YOUR CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND WE DO NOT, THERE'S ADDICTS IN A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS SELL THERE, SO I KNOW THAT. 
          ARE YOU SAYING ABOUT THE, UH, CHANGE BETWEEN, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SINGLE FAMILY AND THE TOWNHOUSES? WELL, I WOULD, WELL, I, I WOULD PUSH BACK, UH, ON PEOPLE ARE STILL BUYING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, 'CAUSE I'M SELLING IT TO 'EM. 
          BUT, UH, I WOULD SAY TOWNHOUSES, UH, I JUST DON'T SEE, I GET THE VISION JUST NOT ON THIS STREET, BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE I CAN SEE IT BECAUSE IT'S LONGER, IT'S WIDER, BUT, UH, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S GONNA BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE STREET, THOUGH. 
          THE OTHER HOUSES ON THE STREET. 
          OH, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, GROSS STAYING COMPATIBLE COMPARED TO THE OTHER, UH, MORE STABLE HOUSING THAT HAS BEEN THERE. 
          IT'S BEEN, UH, SO YOU HAVE OLDER HOUSES THAN NEWER HOUSES, AND SO NONE OF THEM LOOK, LOOK THE SAME. 
          BUT ARE THE NEWER HOUSES GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE AS FAR AS HEIGHT, UM, AND COST? COST? UH, I WOULD SAY THE COST DID CHANGE. 
          I KNOW SOME HOUSES ARE GOING FOR 400 AND I SEE THE OTHER ONES ARE GOING FOR 600. 
          OKAY. 
          THOUSAND. 
          OKAY. 
          WERE YOU A PART OF ANY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT? UM, MEETINGS? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WAS THOSE COMP, HAD THE DEVELOPER MADE THOSE COMPROMISES WHERE HE WAS ABLE TO, HE MADE, HE'S MADE, UH, HE DID MAKE A SIGNIFICANT, UH, CHANGE BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS, UH, UH, I THINK IT WAS TWO APARTMENTS IN TOWNHOUSES. 
          BUT THE QUESTION I DID HAVE FOR HIM IS I ALSO SEE THAT, UH, SOME OF THESE TOWNHOUSES ARE GONNA BE FOR SALE AND THEN OTHER TOWNHOUSES ARE GONNA BE RENTED. 
          UM, THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ALLEYS, UM, THAT HAD NOT PREVIOUSLY KNOWN BY THE CITY OF DALLAS MM-HMM . 
          AND THAT HE'S MAKING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          DO YOU BELIEVE THAT MIGHT, THAT, THAT WOULD ENHANCE AND BE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FROM THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED AS FAR AS WE KNOW THE, UM, THE ISSUES THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS THE ILLEGAL CANDY CELLS OR MM-HMM . 
          THE LADIES OTHER NIGHT. 
          BUT THESE ENHANCEMENTS, UM, BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC THAT MIGHT NOW BECOME IN THE ALLEY, WILL HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE PROBLEMS THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT, TRAFFIC IN THE ALLEY VIA CARS INSTEAD OF JUST BEING VACANT LAND TOGETHER. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AGAIN, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY THE ENHANCEMENTS WILL, BECAUSE I STILL SEE, I DON'T, UH, I STILL SEE THEM, BUT, AND I SAY I SEE THEM BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT BE ON THE, WHERE THE VACANT LOTS ARE, BUT THEY ARE WHERE NEWER HOUSES ARE AS WELL. 
          THEY WALKED DOWN MY HOUSE, UH, UH, AND I KNOW THEY STOLE MY AMAZON PACKAGES, . 
          AND BY HOW LONG HAS, ARE, I'M FOR SURE THAT, ARE YOU A LIFELONG IN THIS COMMUNITY, HENRY? NO. 
          I'M FROM EAST DALLAS AND I JUST RECENTLY  MOVED TO OAK CLIFF TWO YEARS AGO. 
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BUT DO YOU KNOW THAT EVEN IN EAST DALLAS, THAT THEY'RE EAST DALLAS, SOUTH DALLAS, THE ENHANCEMENT TO THE ALLEYS MM-HMM . 
          CREATES MORE STABILITY WHERE THERE IS NOT, THOSE ALLEYS THAT ARE PAVED DO NOT HAVE THE SAME ISSUES AS THOSE ALLEYS THAT ARE NOT PAVED. 
          AND SOUTH DALLAS HAS THAT SAME PROJECT. 
          SO LET ME GET BACK ON TOPIC 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT THE CITY ATTORNEY, SOMEONE ELSE, BUT ALLEYS HELP ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY AND IMPROVE THE, UH, IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY WHERE THOSE TYPE OF, UM, ACTIVITIES KIND OF WITHER AWAY. 
          YES, I WOULD AGREE. 
          AND THE CITY IS NOT IN. 
          YES, I WOULD AGREE THAT PA VALLEY'S DUE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          COMMISSIONER'S. 
          QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. 
          SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER, FOR DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES. 
          CHAIRMAN SHADI IN THE MATTER OF CASES Z 2 3 4 1 72 3 4 1 98 AND 2 3 4 2 0 2. 
          I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE REJECT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AND DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, REQUEST. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FORSET FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          CAN I ALSO, UH, MAKE COMMENTS THAT, AND WE DO HAVE A SECOND. 
          YES, WE DO. 
          COMMENTS PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT. 
          THIS, THIS IS A, A DIFFICULT CASE FOR ME. 
          UH, IT, IT'S SAD THAT THE PEOPLE THAT I TALKED TO ON GRANT STREET, YOU KNOW, WHEN I TALK TO THEM FACE TO FACE, THEY TELL ME THEY DON'T WANT THE, THE, THE, THESE, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. 
          THEY WANT TO KEEP THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD INTACT. 
          THERE ARE 6 13 1 STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THIS STREET, AND YOU'RE PUTTING IN THREE TOWN HOME PROJECTS THAT OUR CURRENT ZONING WOULDN'T ALLOW BECAUSE OF RPS. 
          SO THEREFORE, TO GET AROUND IT, WE, UH, DO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, EVEN IN THE FACE OF THE FACT THAT OUR STAFF TELLS US, QUOTE, WE HAVE AN EXCESSIVE NUMBER OF PDS IN DALLAS. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING THREE MORE TO THE TALLY. 
          UH, THIS, UH, THESE DEVELOPMENTS ALSO FLY IN THE FACE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN FOR DALLAS, WHICH WAS THAT YOU WOULDN'T PUT INFILL DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS IN THE MIDDLE OF A, OF A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU WOULD DO IT ON THE, UH, EDGES, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMERCIAL TYPE OF RETAIL TODAY THAT ARE CLOSE TO THE, TO THE, UH, UH, DART RAILS. 
          AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD NEIGHBORS TELL ME THEY WOULDN'T OPPOSE THIS PROJECT IF THEY WERE ON MORALE. 
          YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU HAVE VACANT LOTS AND, AND, AND YOU'RE RIGHT NEXT TO COMMERCIAL. 
          BUT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS TYPE OF DENSITY GOING IN ON THEIR SINGLE FAMILY STREET. 
          AND, AND I, AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S CORRECT TO SAY THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NEEDED TO SPUR THIS, THESE PROJECTS ARE NEEDED TO SPUR INVESTMENT IN, IN, ON GRANT STREET AND IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE IT'S CLEAR I'VE DRIVEN DOWN THIS STREET. 
          THERE ARE MANY NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BEING BUILT, AND THEY'RE NOT ALL 4,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          YOU KNOW, A FRIEND OF MINE, BRANDON VANCE, LIVES ON CLAUDE STREET, AND ONE OF THOSE HOUSES IS 1500 SQUARE FEET. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, HIS HOUSE IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT WAS JUST BUILT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS THAT IS ON THE BACKSIDE OF WHAT WOULD BE THE 1200 GRANT STREET PROJECT. 
          SO HE'LL BE LOOKING UP AT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THIS COMPLEX, UH, FROM HIS BACKYARD AND WITH ALL THE EXTRA LIGHTING AND NOISE AND EVERYTHING. 
          I ALSO FEEL THAT THE, THERE ARE ISSUES TODAY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD DEALING WITH CRIME. 
          UH, THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, PROSTITUTION. 
          YOU DRIVE ALONG DLY I DROVE ALONG DLY MONDAY MORNING, AND THERE WERE TWO LADIES OF THE EVENING OUT THERE AT 10 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. 
          I WAS ACCOSTED BY A GROUP THAT WAS JUST, UH, GATHERED THERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF DEN DEN, UH, OF, OF DENLEY AND MORALE. 
          AND ONE OF THEM CAME UP AND TRIED TO GET ME TO ROLL, ROLL DOWN MY WINDOWS, AND WAS KNOCKING ON MY WINDOWS. 
          I MEAN, TH THERE ARE SERIOUS ISSUES WITH CRIME IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE WE LOOK AT THIS TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO I ASK YOU TO, UH, THE, THE FINAL POINT IS I, IS THAT IF, 
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IF WE APPROVE THIS CASE, WE'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT. 
          SO WHEN THE PROPERTY TAXES GO UP FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO LIVE NEXT TO THESE APARTMENTS AND THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY THESE PROPERTY TAXES, THEN THEY'RE GONNA BE SUSCEPTIBLE TO SELLING THEIR PROPERTIES. 
          AND GUESS WHAT? THE PERSON WHO BUYS THEIR PROPERTIES, MR. CHAIR, THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK AND ASK FOR THE SAME TYPE OF, I'M, I NEED TO INTERRUPT. 
          THIS IS LAURA MORRISON WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          WE CAN'T CONSIDER, UM, A CHANGE IN PROPERTY TAXES WHEN CONSIDERING CHANGES OF ZONING. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, BUT THE REALITY, AND I'VE MADE MY POINT SO I DON'T NEED TO REPEAT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I, I'LL CLOSE THAT. 
          UH, I, I, I, I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER THE INTEREST OF THOSE AVERAGE MIDDLE CLASS FOLKS WHO LIVE ON GRANT STREET AND, AND, AND DON'T START IN, IN MOTION A DOMINO'S THAT'S GONNA ULTIMATELY RESULT IN ALL THE LOTS IN THIS PROPERTY, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, BECOMING MULTI-FAMILY LIKE WE SEE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN OTHER AREAS SIMILAR TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD NEARBY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. 
          COMMISSIONER. 
          WILL I STRONGLY, UM, DO NOT SUPPORT THAT MOTION? UM, WHAT WE HAVE SEEN BEFORE THIS, UH, BODY IS THAT MR. CARDIN COMES IN AND HE HAS THOUGHTFUL CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMUNITIES. 
          HE'S DONE QUITE A BIT OF REVITALATION IN THIS AREA THAT HAS BEEN COMMUNITY DRIVEN. 
          UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, THE OBJECTIONS, UM, PEOPLE HERE THAT HAVE OBJECTED TO IT, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, YES, WE SHOULD SUPPORT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UM, AND THE CRIME STATS IN THIS AREA, UM, IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE IF WE DO NOT START PUTTING INFRASTRUCTURE IN THESE COMMUNITIES. 
          UM, MY SISTER GREW, GREW UP ON HENDRICK STREET, SO ABOUT THREE STREETS DOWN. 
          SOME OF THESE HOUSES DO HAVE ATTICS. 
          UM, BUT THESE HOUSES ARE BEING BUILT IN THIS AREA IS GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE. 
          7 5 2 0 3 IS IN ROUTE FOR GENTRIFICATION. 
          AND BECAUSE WHEN THEY CAN'T BE IN ORDER TO, FOR US TO GET, UM, SOME TYPE OF LEEWAY, UM, WE NEED SOME DENSITY WHERE THAT'S FIT. 
          THIS HAS BEEN AN UNDERDEVELOPED SITE, UH, FOR QUITE SOME TIME, WHATEVER'S GOING ON AS FAR AS THE LEGAL ACTIVITIES, THAT IS FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT, THAT IS FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND THAT IS FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO HANDLE. 
          BUT THIS AREA HAS HAD LACK DEVELOPMENT FOR QUITE SOME TIME, UM, AT THE CORNER OF DENLEY. 
          AND, UM, MORRELL, THE PROPERTY OWNER THERE OWNS ABOUT 20 SO COMMERCIAL UNITS, UH, UH, PROPERTIES. 
          HE OWNS QUITE A BIT IN SOUTH DALLAS. 
          I GREW UP WITH HIM. 
          UM, HE DISINVESTED QUITE SOME TIME AGO, UH, BECAUSE OF THE CRIME, BUT THE CRIME SHOULD NOT DISALLOW HIM FROM BUILDING SOME UNITS. 
          UH, TOWN HOME DISTRICTS DO NOT ALL DON'T GET THE SAME TYPE OF OVERFLOW OF TRAFFIC AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          UM, I AM INVESTED IN TOWN HOME, SEEN THEM IN THOSE TWO CAR GARAGES WITH A COUPLE EXTRA UNITS. 
          YOU DON'T SEE THE DRIVE, THE SHARD ACCESS BOGGLED DOWN WITH A BUNCH OF CARS. 
          IT LIMITS TO HOW MANY CARS. 
          THEY DON'T BUY FIVE CARS IN A TOWN HOME DISTRICT, SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          I HAVE SEVERAL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND EACH ONE OF 'EM THAT I STAY IN, I HAVE 3, 4, 5 CARS IN THERE BECAUSE I'M NOT LIMITED. 
          I HAVE 'EM IN THE BACKYARD. 
          I HAVE CARS EVERY SINGLE WAY IT IN MY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          BUT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER AND APPLICANT IS THOUGHTFUL IN HIS PROCESS, UM, FROM THE CHURCH THAT HE HAS RESTORED IN AN AREA AND MADE IT A COMMUNITY CENTER TO EACH PROJECT THAT HE COMES BEFORE US. 
          AND, UM, ONE PROJECT THAT THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT CAME BEFORE HE CONSIDERED THE LANDSCAPE, HE CONS, HE CONSIDERED THE NATURAL ELEMENTS. 
          SO I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE DISALLOWED HIM. 
          I DON'T HAVE NOT HEARD ENOUGH CRITICISM, UM, OR CRITICS SAY THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. 
          AND THIS IS A DEVELOPER WHO IS DEVELOPING THIS PART OF 7 5 2 0 3 WITH IN MIND SOME AFFORDABILITY FOR THOSE WHO WOULD BE DISPLACED BY THESE SINGLE FAMILY GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE HOUSING UNITS THAT ARE BEING BUILT THROUGHOUT THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, THAT THOSE WHO LIVE THERE COULD NOT AFFORD. 
          AND THOSE, THAT IS WHAT'S RUNNING UP PRICES AND VALUES. 
          SO I, I, I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS PARTICULAR, UM, MOTION ON I ALL FOUR CASES. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FALLBACK, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I SECONDED THE MOTION. 
          UM, I, I DO THINK WE NEED TO FIND A SOLUTION. 
          I KNOW I HAD A SIMILAR CASE THAT WAS BEFORE US AT OUR LAST MEETING WHERE 
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THERE WERE SUBSTANTIAL REQUESTS WITHIN A SINGLE COMMUNITY. 
          AND I THINK WHEN WE HAVE A NUMBER OF REQUESTS, WE OWE A HIGHER LEVEL OF CARE BECAUSE OF THE IMPLICATIONS THAT IT HAS FOR THE LARGER COMMUNITY. 
          I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS IN MY MIND ON THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN THE PDS BEFORE US. 
          I, UM, I THINK THE PD MAY BE THE RIGHT, UM, MECHANISM TO TRY TO RESOLVE SOME OF THESE ISSUES. 
          BUT THE WAY THAT THIS IS STRUCTURED, THERE JUST APPEAR TO BE PROVISIONS THAT ARE IN CONFLICT WITH WHAT I HEAR ARE THE GOALS FOR THE PROJECT. 
          UM, I DO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE MR. CARDIN. 
          HE CLEARLY, UM, DID AN EXCELLENT JOB IN ENGAGING, IN TRYING TO RESPOND. 
          I, I THINK MR. GREER KIND OF SUMMED IT UP. 
          IT'S ABOUT 70% THERE, AND I JUST, UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S TOO MANY GAPS, UM, FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT AT THIS TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER HARA. 
          I'LL NOT SUPPORT THE MOTION. 
          UM, WE'VE GOT, UM, AN EXCELLENT DEVELOPER WHO'S DONE HIS HOMEWORK, DONE HIS ENGAGEMENT, HE KNOWS, UM, HE'S VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT WHAT HE'S DOING. 
          HE'S, UH, PROMISED A QUALITY PROJECT. 
          UM, WE SAY WE WANT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S WALKABLE TO DART THIS PROJECT HAS IT. 
          WE SAY WE WANT DEVELOPMENT WALKABLE TO A TRAIL SYSTEM. 
          THIS PROJECT HAS IT. 
          UM, WE, UH, TIME AND TIME AGAIN GET CASES BEFORE THIS COMMISSION WHERE YES, WE WANT DENSITY. 
          YES, WE WANT HOUSING, BUT NOT THIS TIME. 
          NOT THIS, THIS ONE'S DIFFERENT, NOT THIS TIME. 
          AND I, I JUST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING, FRANKLY, MOST OF THE TIME. 
          UM, THE, THE, THE IMPLICATION THAT WE'RE SOMEHOW PROTECTING THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, JUST SEEMS MISGUIDED TO ME. 
          WE'RE NOT PROTECTING ANYONE BY, UH, UH, PROHIBITING THIS PROJECT. 
          I I, THERE, THERE'S NO PROTECTION TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THEY'RE BUILDING HOUSES THAT ARE, AS MR. CARDIN SAID, FAR FROM AFFORDABLE, YET MR. CARDIN IS TRYING TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE RESIDENCES. 
          UM, YET WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, GOING TO, UM, TURN THIS PROJECT DOWN BECAUSE WE WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          IT JUST, IT SEEMS ENTIRELY CONTRADICTORY TO ME. 
          AND WE DID IT LAST TIME AS WELL, UH, LAST TIME WE WERE HERE. 
          UM, SO I COULD, I COULD GO ON AND ON. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, UM, APPARENTLY WE DON'T REALLY MEAN IT WHEN WE SAY WE WANT HOUSING AND WE DON'T REALLY MEAN IT WHEN WE WANT TO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, REDEVELOP OUR CITY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER HUR, UM, LIKE COMMISSIONER FOR LAST. 
          I THINK THIS IS A DIFFICULT CASE BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR THIS DEVELOPER. 
          UM, BUT I AM GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION. 
          I SEE A LOT OF SIMILARITY IN THIS CASE, UM, TO THE ONE WE HAD LAST TIME IN MOUNT AUBURN. 
          IT'S A SIMILAR WORKING CLASS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS ON ITS OWN, UM, REDEVELOPING. 
          AND I THINK A DEVELOPMENT OF THE NATURE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS GOING TO DESTABILIZE WHAT'S THERE. 
          I'VE SEEN IT ALL OVER EAST DALLAS, AND I'M SURE THAT WHAT I'VE SEEN IN MY OWN COMMUNITIES IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THIS ONE ONCE YOU ALLOW DEVELOPERS TO COME IN AND REPLACE THESE OLDER, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH, I MEAN, LAST TIME WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DUPLEXES, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE FROM WHAT, EIGHT OR MORE UNITS ON THESE LOTS. 
          UM, THE, THE REST OF THESE OLDER HOMES JUST DON'T STAND A CHANCE AND YOU WILL DISPLACE ALL OF THESE EXISTING PEOPLE FROM THESE COMMUNITIES WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD WHATEVER PRODUCT WE'RE PUTTING THERE. 
          UM, SO WHILE YES, WE MAY BE BUILDING SOME PRODUCTS THAT NEW FAMILIES CAN AFFORD, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PEOPLE WE'RE CHASING OUT? IT'S DIRECTLY CONTRARY TO MANY OF THE THINGS PEOPLE AROUND THIS HORSESHOE SAID JUST MONTHS AGO IN FOR DALLAS, ABOUT PROTECTING, UM, EXISTING WORKING CLASS NEIGHBORHOODS FROM GENTRIFICATION AND COMING UP WITH TOOLS TO PROTECT NEIGHBORHOODS JUST LIKE THIS. 
          THE WORDS THAT WE SAID APPARENTLY DON'T MEAN ANYTHING WHEN IT COMES TO THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND I'LL SAY WHAT I SAID ABOUT MOUNT AUBURN, ABOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT INFILL LOTS IN THE MIDDLE OF PRESTON HOLLOW OR LAKEWOOD OR KESSLER, WE 
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WOULD NOT BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. 
          WE WOULD NOT BE TALKING ABOUT A VACANT LOT IN AFF FLUENT WHITE NEIGHBORHOODS AND TALKING ABOUT THAT OUR ZONED SINGLE FAMILY AND TALKING ABOUT PUTTING UP MULTIFAMILY HOUSING IN THE MIDDLE OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, WE JUST WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULD BE A NON-STARTER. 
          AND THE FACT THAT WE KEEP HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WORKING CLASS LATINO NEIGHBORHOODS OR WORKING CLASS BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS IS JUST WRONG. 
          IT'S JUST WRONG. 
          AND WE SHOULD NOT CONTINUE TO DO THAT. 
          SO I, I'M GONNA SUPPORT, UM, COMMISSIONER FOR SLASH MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HERBERT. 
          UM, YES, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, I HAVE A HOME IN DISTRICT FOUR AND HAVE SPENT PROBABLY OVER 15 YEARS IN THIS DISTRICT. 
          UM, I, I KNOW, UM, HOW THE PROSTITUTES GOT TO DINLEY DRIVE. 
          I KNOW WHAT MOVED THEM FROM FORDHAM TO DINLEY, RIGHT? OR FROM FORDHAM TO MORRELL IN OTHER AREAS. 
          AND THAT WAS NEW DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, THERE ARE MANY MANSIONS ON FORDHAM AVENUE RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE CHANGED THE DYNAMIC OF DISTRICT FOUR IN THAT AREA. 
          CRIME HAS BEEN REDUCED. 
          UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS WINNING AWARDS FOR THEIR LOW CRIME, UM, DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE FORD DALLAS THING. 
          YOU ARE CORRECT. 
          I ASKED FOR PROTECTIONS. 
          I ASKED FOR COMPATIBILITY. 
          I ASKED FOR THINGS TO FIT WITH CHARACTER. 
          AND I THINK THIS PD DOES THAT. 
          I THINK THE PD PROVIDES SLOPES. 
          IT, IT PROVIDES FRONT FACE CONTINUITY. 
          IT PROVIDES, I, WHEN I ASK FOR DEVELOPMENT IN INFIELD AREAS, I ASK FOR IT TO BE ATTENTIVE TO THE AREA. 
          AND THIS DOES THAT, IN MY OPINION. 
          UM, I ALMOST WISH THAT ALL THREE CASES WOULDN'T BE PUT TOGETHER BECAUSE ON THE CORNER OF DENLEY IS MUCH MORE, UM, IT'S, IT'S A MUCH LARGER LOT FIT PERFECTLY FOR WHAT'S BEING ASKED, UM, VERSUS A COUPLE OTHER LOTS. 
          BUT SINCE THEY ARE ALL TOGETHER, I HAVE TO CONSIDER 'EM THAT WAY. 
          AND I JUST THINK THAT ENHANCING THE AREA WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT, THAT IS, THAT FITS THE, THE, THE AREA TO COMPETE WITH $600,000 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          UM, IF $600,000 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE ON THE SAME BLOCK, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO GET 400,000 FOR A TOWN HOME ON THAT SAME BLOCK. 
          RIGHT? SO NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NATURAL AFFORDABILITY. 
          THE SOUTHERN SECTOR NEEDS NEW DEVELOPMENT. 
          THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS MUCH DIFFERENT FROM MOUNT AUBURN. 
          MOUNT AUBURN'S HISTORY, MOUNT AUBURN'S SEPARATION. 
          UM, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS CREATED BECAUSE OF WHITE FLIGHT. 
          IT'S A MUCH DIFFERENT AREA. 
          IT'S A MUCH DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT'S BEEN DIMINISHED TO, TO FIT STREETS. 
          THAT WHY THIS IS A DEAD END, UM, BECAUSE IT WASN'T THOUGHT OUT AS IT WAS PLANNED, WHY THE STREET DOESN'T HAVE SIDEWALKS, BECAUSE IT WASN'T THOUGHT OUT AS IT WAS PLANNED. 
          THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING FOR YEARS NOW. 
          WE HAVE A DEVELOPER THAT'S COMING TO BRING SOME TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THERE AND PROVIDE INFRASTRUCTURE IS JUST SOMETHING THAT I THINK SHOULDN'T BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, UM, AND SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, UM, ESPECIALLY AFTER HAVING SO MANY NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNICATIONS, UM, AND SOME SUPPORT FROM NEIGHBORS. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CONSIDER THIS BEFORE DENYING IT, SO I WON'T BE SUPPORTING A MOTION. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE COMMENTS MADE BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER AND, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT AND I, I DO SEE THIS CASE AS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE MOUNT AUBURN CASES THAT WE SAW LAST WEEK. 
          THOSE CAME IN AS ESSENTIALLY STRAIGHT ZONING CASES FROM SINGLE FAMILY TO DUPLEX. 
          AND WE HAD DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER DEED RESTRICTIONS COULD POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES, BUT WE ULTIMATELY DECIDED NOT TO GO DOWN THAT PATH. 
          IN CONTRAST HERE, WE HAVE A APPLICANT WHO HAS WORKED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CHANGED HIS PLANS AND CODIFIED THEM INTO PDS TO PROVIDE PROTECTION, UM, AND ENSURE THAT WHAT GETS BUILT HERE IS MORE COMPATIBLE THAN WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER STRAIGHT ZONING. 
          AND I REALLY APPRECIATE MR. CARDIN'S EFFORTS, UM, ON THAT FRONT. 
          UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN REFERENCE TO THE OPPOSITION, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT MR. GREER SAID HE WAS 70% THERE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S A SIGN THAT WE ARE AT OR NOT FAR OFF FROM A COMPROMISE. 
          AND ALSO IN OUR EMAIL, WE, YOU KNOW, RECEIVES LETTERS OF SUPPORT 
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FROM PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THERE'S A LETTER FROM THE BRENTWOOD TRINITY HEIGHTS, UH, COMMUNITY ACTION GROUP SAYING THAT THE GROUP IS ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THE NEW TOWN HOMES PLAN FOR, FOR THE AREA. 
          THERE'S A LETTER FROM A PASTOR IN THE AREA IN SUPPORT. 
          SO IF IT, IT ALSO STANDS IN CONTRAST TO, UM, THE MOUNT AUBURN CASES, BECAUSE I DO SEE MEANINGFUL, UM, COMMUNITY SUPPORT. 
          UM, I ALSO THINK, YOU KNOW, AS WITH THE MOUNT AUBURN CASES, I THINK, YOU KNOW, STANDING BY AND, AND DOING NOTHING, UM, ALSO PUTS THIS AREA AT RISK FOR GENTRIFICATION BECAUSE AS WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF THE SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND THERE IS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND SCALE. 
          SO I WOULDN'T ASSUME THAT BY DENYING THIS REQUEST THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, DOING ANYTHING TO HELP WITH THE GENTRIFICATION SITUATION. 
          AND PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, THIS REQUEST COULD SERVE AS A, AS A PRESSURE VALVE. 
          UM, TWO OTHER POINTS REAL QUICKLY. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT FORWARD DALLAS. 
          THIS WAS OBVIOUSLY SUBMITTED UNDER THE OLD FORWARD DALLAS. 
          SO THE OLD FORWARD DALLAS APPLIES, BUT UNDER THE NEW FORWARD DALLAS, INTO THE FINAL COMPROMISE THAT WAS STRUCK THERE. 
          AND I THINK IT WAS WISE, IT TALKED ABOUT NOT ALLOWING INCOMPATIBLE MISSING MIDDLE DEVELOPMENT IN NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND WHAT I'VE SEEN HERE BY THIS APPLICANT IS AN EFFORT TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY. 
          YES. 
          IS IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN SCALE? A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S PRETTY CLOSE. 
          IT, IT DOES A LOT TO BRING ITSELF WITHIN A ZONE OF COMPATIBILITY, AND I APPRECIATE THOSE EFFORTS. 
          UM, FINALLY, YOU KNOW, WE, THE WORD PRECEDENT GETS THROWN AROUND HERE, AND I WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT NOTHING AROUND THIS HORSESHOE THAT WE DO SETS ANY PRECEDENT. 
          WE ARE FREE TO MAKE OUR DECISIONS ON THE MERITS OF ANY PARTICULAR CASE. 
          AND IF WE DO SEE PROBLEMATIC, YOU KNOW, REZONING APPLICATIONS COMING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE FUTURE, WE ARE WITHIN OUR RIGHTS COMPLETELY AS A PLANNED COMMISSION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL. 
          BUT ON THIS ONE, I THINK THE DEVELOPER HAS WORKED HARD IN ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY AND REALLY CRAFTED A NICE PRODUCT AND A NICE COMPROMISE. 
          SO I'M NOT GONNA BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION TO DENY. 
          AND, UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, SEEING WHAT HAPPENS HERE. 
          UH, I GUESS I COULD LAST, UM, I WILL ALSO NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, BUT THE, BEFORE I STATE MY REASONINGS, I, I, I WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT FOR, FOR HIS WORK ON THIS. 
          UH, I KNOW HE HAS STRUGGLED WITH IT, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, FRANKLY, ON MY TIME ON THE PLAN COMMISSION, I'VE NEVER SEEN A SERIES OF MORE DIFFICULT CASES LAND ON THE LAP OF A BRAND NEW COMMISSIONER. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M SORRY THAT YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER FOR SAID YOU DIDN'T HAVE, UH, A TIME TO KIND OF LEARN THE ROPES A LITTLE BIT BEFORE YOU WERE THROWN INTO FORWARD DALLAS. 
          AND NOW JUST A, A SERIES OF PROBABLY THE MOST DIFFICULT CASES WE DEAL WITH. 
          AND I THINK WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE DEALING HERE WITH AS A BODY, AND I THINK WHAT WE ALIGN IN IS THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FEAR AND WE'RE AFRAID OF THE FUTURE. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE AFRAID OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND I THINK WE JUST HAVE A, A PHILOSOPHICAL DIFFERENCE AS TO WHAT WE SHOULD DO ABOUT IT. 
          AND ON THE ONE HAND, I THINK IT'S, IT'S RATIONAL TO THINK, WELL, YOU KNOW, LET'S LOCK IT DOWN AND LET'S HOPE THAT 20 YEARS FROM NOW, ALL THOSE HOMES THERE, UH, THAT HAVE NOT BEEN BOUGHT, WILL NOT BE PURCHASED. 
          AND THAT ALL THOSE HOMES THAT ARE, THAT ARE THERE AND AT AT SCALE WILL NOT HAVE WHAT IS FRANKLY ALREADY THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU DRIVE THOSE STREETS WITH ZILLOW IN YOUR HAND AND WITH YOUR EYES, THOSE HOMES ARE THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SIX, $700,000 HOMES A STREET OVER. 
          UH, AND, AND THEN THE OTHER PHILOSOPHY IS THAT, UH, LET'S LOOK FOR THE THOUGHTFUL PROJECTS THAT OFFER A DIFFERENT PRICE POINT THAT OVER THE LONG HAUL, UH, WILL, WILL KEEP A DIFFERENT MIX OF MIX OF FOLKS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND I THINK KIND OF THAT'S WHERE WE DIVIDE HERE ON THIS CASE AND ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO STRUGGLE WITH IT. 
          AND, AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, THE WISDOM OF THE MAJORITY WILL, WILL PROVE THAT ON THIS ONE. 
          BUT I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          LIKE COMMISSIONER BLAIR. 
          MY CHALLENGE IS TWO THINGS, THE HEIGHT OF THREE STORIES NEXT TO ONE STORY HOMES. 
          AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, LAST TIME WE SAW MR. GREER COME BEFORE US, HE WAS ADAMANTLY IN OPPOSITION OF A, OF, OF A DEVELOPMENT. 
          IN THIS TIME AROUND SOMETHING HAS CHANGED THAT HAS GOTTEN HIM TO A POINT OF APPRECIATION AND BEING IN REAL ESTATE. 
          FOR THAT TO HAVE HAPPENED, SOMETHING HAS HAD TO CHANGE. 
          UM, AND, AND I APPRECIATE 
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HIS, HIS, HIS WILLINGNESS TO COME DOWN HERE AND KNOWING THAT WE KNOW THAT HE WAS JUST HERE. 
          AND IN OPPOSITION TO, TO SAY I'VE CHANGED MY MIND. 
          I'VE RECENTLY HAD TO DO THAT. 
          UM, AND, AND IT'S NOT A VERY COMFORTABLE FEELING TO HAVE TO SAY PUBLICLY. 
          I, I, I MADE A, A CHANGE IN DIRECTION AND CHANGE IN DECISION. 
          SO THIS IS DIFFICULT, VERY DIFFICULT. 
          AND I HAVEN'T A CLUE WHAT I'M GOING TO DO. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          WE'RE ABOUT TO FIND OUT. 
          LET'S TAKE A RECORD VOTE. 
          DISTRICT ONE? NO. 
          DISTRICT TWO? YES. 
          DISTRICT THREE? NO. 
          DISTRICT FOUR? YES. 
          DISTRICT FIVE? NO. 
          DISTRICT SIX? YES. 
          DISTRICT SEVEN? NO. 
          DISTRICT EIGHT. 
          CAN I DO IT LAST ? SURE. 
          UM, NO. 
          DISTRICT NINE ABSENT. 
          HE LEFT DISTRICT 10. 
          NO. 
          DISTRICT 11 VACANT. 
          DISTRICT 12, NO. 
          DISTRICT 13? NO. 
          DISTRICT 14 AND PLACE 15? NO. 
          NO. 
          CAN I GET A, A SECOND MOTION COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT, PLEASE. 
          UM, IN THE CASES, UH, FOUR, SIX, AND SEVEN, I MOVE, UH, TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH THE SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER HARA FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          AND COMMISSIONER TURNER FOR YOUR SECOND IN CASES FOUR, SIX, AND SEVEN TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE. 
          RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL PER CONDITIONS. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? OPPOSED? NO. 
          WE HAVE THE SAME FOREIGN OPPOSITION. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. 
          WOULD, UH, I'M SORRY, WOULD YOU GIVE US, UH, A FINAL COUNT OF THE, THE FIRST VOTE FOR AN AGAINST THE OH, GOTCHA. 
          YES, THE YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HALLS TAKING METICULOUS NOTES ARE, ARE FOLKS IN OPPOSITION OR COMMISSIONER HAMPTON CARPENTER, KINGSTON, AND FORESIGHT. 
          AND THOSE WERE, IT WAS THE SAME ON THE FIRST VOTE. 
          THOSE WERE THE FIRST, UH, YES. 
          VOTES. 
          DID YOU CHANGE? OKAY, MY APOLOGIES. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE SECOND MOTION. 
          SO, UH, FOUR YES. 
          VOTES, FIRST MOTION, AND THEN THREE VOTES IN OPPOSITION. 
          SECOND MOTION, FORESIGHT, HAMPTON AND CARPENTER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          OKAY, LET'S, OKAY. 
          YES, THEN LET'S NOT, UH, 15. 
          LET'S DO 15 AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A BREAK. 
          [15. 24-3737 An application for a Planned Development Subdistrict for an art or craft production facility use on property zoned Subdistrict 3 within Planned Development District No. 317, the Cedars Area Special Purpose District, on the south corner of Griffin Street, east and South Ervay Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a revised Exhibit 317A (Property Descriptions) and conditions. Applicant: Bowden Family Foundation Representative: Rob Baldwin, Baldwin Associates Planner: Liliana Garza U/A From: November 21, 2024. Council District: 2 Z234-240(LG/MP) 24-3737 ]
ITEM 15 IS Z, 2 3 4, 2 4 0. 
          IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUBDISTRICT FOR AN ART OR CRAFT PRODUCTION FACILITY. 
          USE ON PROPERTIES ZONE SUBDISTRICT THREE WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 3 1 7, THE CEDARS AREA SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH CORNER OF GRIFFIN STREET EAST AND THE SOUTH AND SOUTH IRV STREET. 
          S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A REVISED EXHIBIT 3 1 7 A PROPERTY DESCRIPTIONS AND CONDITIONS. 
          I SEE THE APPLICANT IS HERE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, ROB BALDWIN. 
          3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B I'M NOT GONNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME. 
          STAFF DID A GREAT JOB BRIEFING THIS LAST TIME. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S DONE A GREAT JOB OF HELPING CRAFT SOME LANGUAGE TO ADDRESS THE PARKING. 
          WE ALL KNEW WHERE WE WANTED TO BE AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE LANGUAGE QUITE RIGHT. 
          SHE, SHE DID THAT AND I THINK SHE'S GONNA READ INTO THE RECORD SOME REVISED LANGUAGE AND I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS REQUEST. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BALDWIN? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. 
          COMMISSIONER HAN PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 DASH 24, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          PROVE THE REQUEST SUBJECT 
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TO A REVISED EXHIBIT THREE 17 A AND CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE IN SECTION ONE 15. 
          ITEM THREE, CHANGE THE WORD OUTSIDE TO OUTDOOR AND ADD TO THE FOLLOWING SENTENCE, OUTDOOR TO READ. 
          OUTDOOR SPECIAL EVENTS RELATED TO ART AND CRAFT PRODUCTION FACILITY USE ARE LIMITED TO 12 TIMES PER YEAR. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, UH, HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR, FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYE. 
          THE MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UH OH, I THINK WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK. 
          UH, YOU WANT TO, IS IT QUICKLY? YEAH, YOU WANT ME TO READ THAT PLEASE? ALL IF WE'RE 
          [16. 24-3738  An application for an LI Light Industrial District with consideration of a CS Commercial Service District on property zoned an A(A) Agricultural District with Specific Use Permit No. 890 for a radio, television, or microwave tower, on the southwest line of South-Central Expressway, between Youngblood Road and Lyndon B. Johnson Freeway. Staff Recommendation: Approval of a CS Commercial Service District in lieu of an LI Light Industrial District. Applicant: NAGS Resources, LLC Representative: Gary Sibley Planner: LeQuan Clinton U/A From: November 7, 2024. Council District: 8 Z234-287(LC) 24-3738 ]
DOING IT, ITEM 16 IS Z 2 3 4 2 87. 
          IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN LI LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT WITH CONSIDERATION OF AN A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE, AN AA AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER EIGHT 90 FOR A RADIO, TELEVISION, OR MICROWAVE TOWER ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY BETWEEN YOUNGBLOOD ROAD AND LBJ FREEWAY. 
          STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT IN LIEU OF AN LI LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THAT, ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES. 
          IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 2 7 8. 
          I MEAN, WILL WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT IN LIEU OF A LI INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR MOTION AND VICE CHAIR RUBIN, FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY COMMENTS? NOPE. 
          C NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          A OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 
          AND 
          [17. 24-3739 An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 2419 for a community service center on property zoned an MF-2(A) Multifamily District, on the northwest line of Avenue Q, between Laughlin Drive and Riek Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a five-year period with eligibility for automatic renewals for additional five-year periods, subject to amended conditions. Applicant: Creative Arts Center of Dallas Representative: Sheila Zamanian Planner: Giahanna Bridges U/A From: November 21, 2024. Council District: 7 Z234-295(GB) 24-3739 ]
LET'S KNOCK OUT 17 TWO . 
          UH, GOOD I GUESS. 
          EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          ITEM 17 Z 2 3 4 2 9 5. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 24 19 FOR COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER AND PROPERTY ZONES AT MF TWO. 
          A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT IN THE NORTHWEST LINE OF AVENUE CUBE BETWEEN LAUGHLIN DRIVE AND RIOT ROAD. 
          HOUSE. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENTALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIOD. 
          SUBJECT AMENDED CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. 
          UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON, ON THIS? ITEM NUMBER 17 Z 2 34. 
          2 95. 
          PAGE SIX. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE TO PRESS A LITTLE BUTTON THERE FOR THE MIC. 
          SORRY, IT LOOKED LIKE. 
          LET STEPHANIE MOTZ, UH, 1 0 9 0 6. 
          SCOTT MEADOW DRIVE. 
          I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE CREATIVE ARTS CENTER. 
          UM, JUST A, A FIRST, A A THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING HERE AND A EXTRA THANK YOU TO, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, WHEELER REAGAN, UH, FOR SUGGESTING THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO HAVE AN EXTENDED, UM, SUPI WANTED TO MENTION THAT WE'VE BEEN AT THE SITE FOR 34 YEARS. 
          WE'VE BEEN IN OPERATION FOR 57 YEARS. 
          WE PROVIDE ADULT ARTS EDUCATION. 
          UH, WE, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT WE'RE AN ASSET BOTH TO OUR FAR EAST DALLAS COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THE LARGER DALLAS COMMUNITY. 
          WE SERVE AS AN ENGINE OF THE DALLAS ARTS COMMUNITY, IN PART BY EMPLOYING 31 WORKING ARTISTS THAT ALLOW THEM TO STAY HERE, UH, LIVE THEIR LIVES, UH, PASS ON THEIR DISCIPLINE AND, UH, CRAFT AND DEEPLY APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR, UM, UH, POTENTIALLY APPROVING A 20 YEAR SUP. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKER? YES, PLEASE. 
          UM, ARE YOU, ARE YOU AWARE THAT I'VE SPOKE WITH, YOU MIGHT NOT BE AWARE, BUT I GOTTA ASK YOU THIS. 
          ARE YOU AWARE THAT I'VE SPOKE WITH STAFF TODAY, UH, ABOUT POSSIBLY A LIFETIME, A LIFE, LIFE LIFETIME? UH, SUPI WAS NOT, THAT WOULD BE EVEN BETTER. 
          A PERMANENT SUP. 
          AND ARE YOU IN OPPOSITION TO THAT? NO. 
          I SUPPORT THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR YOU. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          WASN'T A TRICK QUESTION. 
           COMMISSIONERS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, UH, THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEE YOU NONE. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO IN THE MATTER OF CASE Z 2 34 DASH 2 95, I MOVE TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING 
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AND FOLLOW STAFF FOR RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVAL, BUT WITH A PERMANENT SUP INSTEAD OF A FIVE YEAR SUP, UM, SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS, PLEASE. 
          I DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I KNOW THAT YOU'RE A NEW ED, UM, AND YOU WERE NOT NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE OF IT. 
          I HOPE, I WISH YOU WERE HERE LAST TIME, BUT DID YOU GIVE US TIME FOR US TO NOT JUST RECOMMEND 20 YEARS, BUT A LIFETIME? THANK YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING IN, UM, DISTRICT SEVEN AND FOR THE GREATER DALLAS. 
          WE AS, UM, A, WHERE WE'RE LOSING OUR ARTS AND MUSIC PROGRAMS THAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN A STAPLE IN THE COMMUNITY FOR 57 YEARS, SO THANK YOU. 
          AND SO THE BEST GIFT THAT WE CAN GIVE IS, IS A PERMANENT SUP. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, MR. YEAH, I'M SUPER HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION. 
          I REMEMBER THE LAST TIME IT CAME THROUGH, IT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR JUST AN SUP WITHOUT AUTO RENEWALS AND THEN I WAS DISAPPOINTED IN THAT RESULT, BUT MAYBE WASN'T AS FEISTY BACK THEN. 
          SO CHOSE NOT TO FIGHT IT, BUT MUCH HAPPIER WITH THE RESULT THAT WE HAVE TODAY. 
          SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          YOU OPPOSED? AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, WE HAVE PIZZA IN THE BACK. 
          LET'S TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK AT 4 48. 
          4 5, 6 7. 
          OKAY, WE, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM COMMISSIONERS. 
          IT IS FIVE 12 AND WE'RE GETTING BACK ON THE RECORD. 
          COMMISSIONERS, , WHERE AM I MISSING? ARE YOU READY? OKAY. 
          2 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. 
          OKAY, WE'RE IT IS FIVE 12. 
          WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD AND RECORDING. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          [18. 24-3740 An application for a Planned Development District for MU-2 Mixed Use District uses on property zoned a CR Community Retail District, on the southeast corner of Preston Road and Belt Line Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a conceptual plan, a development plan, and staff’s recommended conditions. Representative: Masterplan, Lee Kleinman and Andrew Ruegg Planner: Jennifer Muñoz Council District: 11 Z212-358(JM) 24-3740 ]
WE'RE MOVING ON TO CASE NUMBER 18. 
          ITEM NUMBER 18 Z 212 3 58 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR AN MU TWO MIXED USE DISTRICT USES ON PROPERTIES ON THE CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF PRESTON ROAD AND BELTLINE ROAD. 
          STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          DR. 
          RRA. 
          IS THE APPLICANT HERE, DOES HE WISH TO BE HEARD? APPLICANT IS HERE FOR QUESTIONS. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SCENE NONE. 
          VICE CHAIR RUB, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 12 3 5 8, I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THE CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL JANUARY 23RD, 2005 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEMPORARY INJUNCTION ORDER ISSUED BY THE 68TH JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT ON NOVEMBER 12TH, 2024. 
          SO THE APPLICANT MAY COMPLY WITH ITS OBLIGATIONS UNDER SECTION 51 A 1.106 REGARDING THE POSTING OF ZONING NOTIFICATION SIGNS. 
          THANK YOU VICE CHAIR RUBIN AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 
          WE'LL GO TO NUMBER 10 PLEASE. 
          19. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 
          [19. 24-3741 An application for a CS Commercial Service District with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay on property zoned a CR Community Retail District with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay, on the northeast line of Seagoville Road, northwest of the intersection of Seagoville Road and South Belt Line Road. Staff Recommendation: Denial. Applicant: Abed Ammouri, Belt Line Auto Sales Representative: Robert Nunez Planner: LeQuan Clinton Council District: 8 Z223-263(LC) 24-3741 ]
19, CASE Z 2 23 DASH 2 63. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON PROPERTY ZONED A, SORRY ZONED A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF SEVILLE ROAD, NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF SEVILLE ROAD AND SOUTH BELTLINE ROAD. 
          STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THE APPLICANT HERE? IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS SIGN? AND THIS IS NUMBER 19 Z 2 23. 
          2 63. 
          PAGE SEVEN. 
          WE HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER. 
          IS MR. NUNEZ ONLINE? NO, HE'S NOT ONLINE. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER BLAIR, PLEASE. 
          UM, MR. CLINTON, HAVE YOU HAD A LOT 
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OF CON UM, COMMUNICATION WITH THIS APPLICANT? NO, NOT THAT MUCH. 
          UM, WE ARE REQUIRED TO SEND OUT AN INTRO EMAIL ONCE WE ARE ASSIGNED THE CASE. 
          UM, SO I DID THAT AND THE COMMUNICATIONS HAVE BEEN PRETTY SPORADIC. 
          UM, SO I WOULD SAY COMMUNICATION HAS BEEN LIMITED. 
          HAVE YOU, UM, VISITED SITE AND, AND WITNESSED ANY OF THE ZONING SIGNS APPROPRIATELY POSTED? YES. 
          SO STAFF IS ALSO REQUIRED TO DO SITE VISITS. 
          UM, ON MY INITIAL SITE VISIT, UH, WHEN THIS CASE WAS ORIGINALLY ASSIGNED, THE ZONING SIGNS WERE NOT POSTED. 
          UH, WE DID REACH OUT TO THE APPLICANT TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THOSE ZONING SIGNS NEED TO BE POSTED AND THEY NEED TO BE, UH, POSTED FOR THE DURATION OF THE, UH, PROCESS. 
          AND THEN I ALSO WENT OUT TO THE SITE, UH, YESTERDAY TO TAKE SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOS AND THERE WERE NO ZONING, UH, ZONING SIGN ZONING SIGNS POSTED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER BLA, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES. 
          IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 2 6 3. 
          I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOLLOW STATUS RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, UH, BLAIR FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND TO FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. 
          ANY COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          YOU OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT FOR CLARIFICATION. 
          IS THAT WITH OR WITHOUT? YES. 
          LOCUS RE DENIAL. 
          YOUR 
          [21. 24-3742 An application for a Specific Use Permit for an alcoholic beverage establishment limited to a bar, lounge, or tavern and a commercial amusement (inside) limited to a dance hall on property zoned Planned Development District No. 619 with H/48 Harwood Historic District Overlay, on the southwest corner of North Harwood Street and Pacific Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a three-year period, subject to a site plan for ground floor and second floor and conditions. Applicant: Kevin Kristian 2612 LLC Representative: Deborah Kelley-Hill, Kelley Firm Planner: Andreea Udrea Council District: 14 Z234-265(AU) 24-3743 ]
LET'S GO TO 21. 
          ITEM NUMBER 21 Z 2 3 4 2 65, UH, IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT, LIMITED TO A BAR, LOUNGE OR TAVERN, AND A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE LIMITED TO A DANCE HALL ON PROPERTIES ZONE, LAND DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER SIX 19 WITH AGE 48 HARWOOD DISTRICT, UH, OVERLAY ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF NORTH HARWOOD STREET AND PACIFIC AVENUE. 
          STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN FOR A GROUND FLOOR AND SECOND FLOOR AND CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          MEMBERS OF COMMISSION, SANTOS MARTINEZ 24 89 CAMINO PLATA LOOP, NORTHEAST RIO RANCHO, NEW MEXICO. 
          8 7 1 4 4 SANTOS MARTINEZ. 
          IT'S, IT'S NOT VERY ACTIVE TODAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE TO KIND OF LEAN IN A LITTLE BIT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LEANING IN. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF COMMISSION, SANTOS MARTINEZ 24 89. 
          CAMINO PLATA LOOP, NORTHEAST RIO RANCHO, NEW MEXICO, 8 7 1 4 4. 
          THERE ARE SOME EXHIBITS BEING, UH, PASSED OUT. 
          UM, I WANT TO GO OVER THOSE WITH YOU IN MY TIME. 
          UM, FIRST OFF, ON PAGE TWO AND THREE, JUST POINTING OUT THAT YOU'VE SEEN THESE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS AN AERIAL. 
          I WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY TO THIS STRUCTURE. 
          TO THE NORTH AS A PARK TO THE NORTHEAST AS AN OFFICE BUILDING TO THE EAST IS A SURFACE LOT. 
          SOUTHEAST IS A PARKING STRUCTURE. 
          SOUTH IS A REST, IS A THREE STORY BUILDING AT WITH A RESTAURANT. 
          AND TWO, UH, THE TWO TOP LEVELS ARE OFFICE TO THE WEST OF US IS THE MAJESTIC THEATER WEST. 
          OF THAT, THE ANGLED BUILDING IS A 12 STORY OFFICE TOWER. 
          ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS A HOTEL THAT ALSO SHARES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF IT OUR RESIDENTIAL UNITS, BUT WE HAVE NO IMMEDIATE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY WITH THIS PROPERTY. 
          I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT ON PAGE THREE, WE HAVE NO ROOF DECK. 
          IT'S, IT SHOWS WHERE WE ARE ON THE HARD CORNER. 
          WE HAVE NO PARKING STRUCTURE OR, OR SURFACE LOTS. 
          UM, DEPENDING ON WHERE WE ARE ON THE, A PART OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, WHETHER PARKING IS PERMITTED EITHER BY METER ON PACIFIC OR HARWOOD, I THINK YOU ARE ALLOWED TO PARK ON PACIFIC. 
          BUT THERE'S A REASON FOR ME HIGHLIGHTING THAT POINT. 
          THERE'S, UH, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, THIS ESTABLISHMENT HAS BEEN OPERATING UNDER THIS O UH, TENANT OWNER SINCE 2021. 
          AND IN THAT TIME WE'VE PULLED FOUR YEARS OF CRIME STATS AND CALLS 9 1 1 CALLS FOR THIS ESTABLISHMENT. 
          THIS ESTABLISHMENT IS ONLY OPEN EIGHT HOURS 
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IN ONE WEEK, FRIDAY NIGHT, SATURDAY NIGHT FROM 10:00 PM TO 2:00 AM I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT YOU'LL SEE ON PAGE THREE, FOUR, THERE'S ABOUT A LITTLE OVER 130 CALLS THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED RELATED TO THIS VENUE. 
          82 OF 'EM OCCURRED WHEN WE ARE NOT EVEN OPEN. 
          I THINK YOU'LL SEE IN SOME OF THE CRIME STATS, THERE WAS A KIDNAPPING CALL THAT WAS MADE ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON AT THREE 30. 
          WE HAD BEEN CLOSED FOR 13 AND A HALF HOURS. 
          BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOUR ATTENTION, IF YOU CONTINUE READING ON THAT CALL AND YOU GO ALONG TO THE, ON THAT INCIDENT REPORT, THERE'S NO POLICE REPORT TIED TO THAT INCIDENT. 
          SO THE POLICE RESPONDED, BUT NO REPORT WAS FILED. 
          IF YOU CONTINUE READING ON THAT, WE HAD 54 CALLS WHEN WE WERE ACTUALLY OPEN HOURS OF OPERATION, DAYS OF THE WEEK, 39 OF THAT 54. 
          AGAIN, THE POLICE SHOWED UP, BUT THERE WERE NO REPORTS FILED FOR THOSE INCIDENCES LEAVING A TOTAL OF 15 CALLS IN A FOUR YEAR PERIOD. 
          FOR ANY ESTABLISHMENT THAT YOU'VE SEEN WHERE YOU'VE COME UP FOR AN SUP PARTICULARLY ON ALCOHOL SALES, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT CRIME STATS, YOU LOOK AT THE FREQUENCY TIME OF DAY WHEN WE ARE PHYSICALLY OPEN OPERATING FOR THIS CLUB AND YOU HAVE AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT GETS 15 CALLS IN A COMBINED FOUR YEAR PERIOD, THAT'S ROUGHLY ONE, ONE CALL WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY OPEN WITHIN THREE AND A HALF MONTHS. 
          IF YOU GO ONTO THE NEXT PAGE TO GIVE YOU CONTEXT OF WHERE WE ARE IN DOWNTOWN, WE ARE THE FIRST ROW AND IT SHOWS THAT FOUR YEAR PERIOD OR FOR THE MOST PART, PART AVERAGE THREE. 
          THAT'S YOUR THREE MINUTES. 
          OKAY? WE HAVE OTHER SPEAKERS TO GO OVER THE EXHIBITS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          NO, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? PERFECT. 
          YES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO I WILL PICK UP WHERE HE LEFT OFF TALKING ABOUT THIS DIME, UH, CRIME STATISTICS. 
          BASICALLY WHAT HE'S SAYING IS DURING THAT FOUR YEAR PERIOD, THERE'S BEEN 15 CALLS AVERAGING ONE CALL FOR EVERY THREE AND A HALF OR SO MONTHS. 
          SO MY JOB HERE AS PATRICIA MORGAN, 6 9, 6 WESTPORT DRIVE FATE, TEXAS ATTORNEY FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT IS TO REALLY FOCUS ON THE LEGAL STANDARD THAT WE HAVE FOR WHAT IT IS TO BASE AN APPROVAL OF AN SEP ON. 
          WE LOOK AT THREE THINGS. 
          WE LOOK AT, UM, THE BALANCE OF THE COMMUNITY NEEDS VERSUS THE BENEFIT OF THE PURPOSE OF THE USE, RIGHT? UM, COMPATIBILITY, HEALTH AND SAFETY AND THE WELFARE OF THE AREA. 
          THOSE CRIME STATISTICS THAT WERE JUST PROVIDED TO YOU ACTUALLY SHOW THAT WE ARE, WE'RE SAFE IN ONE INSTANCE WITHIN THREE AND A HALF MONTHS, RIGHT? UM, BUT THEN IF YOU LOOK AT SOME BLOCKS JUST NEARBY A SEVEN 11, UM, OTHER AREAS, EVEN RIGHT OUTSIDE THE, THE LIBRARY, THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER AREAS THAT PEOPLE ARE BEING ASSAULTED. 
          PEOPLE ARE, THERE'S CRIME, BUT NONE OF THOSE ARE BEING DENIED. 
          THE ABILITY TO OPEN AND OPERATE. 
          HOWEVER, WE'RE HERE ASKING FOR AN SUP WHEN WE'RE SHOWING THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE SAFE STATISTICS. 
          UM, BUT AFTER ME, YOU WILL SEE, UH, A BUNCH OF INDIVIDUALS THAT WILL TALK ABOUT WHAT WE DO TO KEEP WITH COMPLIANCE, TO KEEP WITH SAFETY. 
          YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH, THINGS THAT WE DO FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          YOU'LL HEAR FROM OUR SECURITY, UM, UH, STAFF, OUR MANAGERS, EVERYBODY THAT WILL TALK TO YOU GUYS ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE DO TO KEEP SAFE. 
          BUT THE MAIN PURPOSE HERE IS THAT WE ARE ARGUING THAT WE ARE IN, WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS' PLAN. 
          THIS CLUB HAS OPERATED FOR 20 PLUS YEARS. 
          IT'S HAD AN SUP FOR BOTH THE DANCE HALL AS WELL AS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT SINCE 2013. 
          SO THIS IS NOT A, A BRAND NEW APPLICATION. 
          THIS IS A RENEWAL. 
          UM, NOTHING HAS CHANGED ABOUT THE ESTABLISHMENT. 
          WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING. 
          WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AND OPERATING WITH THE PERMIT TO BE ABLE TO DO SO. 
          SO NOTHING HAS CHANGED THE LEGAL STANDARD. 
          WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN WITHIN THE PLAN FOR THE CITY IF THIS ESTABLISHMENT HAS BEEN AROUND FOR 20 PLUS YEARS. 
          UM, SO THEREFORE WE BELIEVE THE LEGAL STANDARD, LOOKING AT THE COMPATIBILITY, THE HEALTH AND SAFETY AND THE WELFARE OF THE AREA HAS BEEN MET. 
          UM, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE CRIME STATISTICS, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          THE STATS DON'T LIE. 
          WE'VE PROVIDED THAT FOR ALL OF YOU. 
          IT'S THERE BEFORE YOU IN THE BROCHURE. 
          UM, AND WE ASK, WE WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THE STAFF APPROVAL. 
          UM, AND WE ASK THAT WE ARE ARE VOTED FOR IN LINE WITH THAT HERE TODAY. 
          COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? I'M SORRY, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          PATRICIA MORGAN. 
          6 9 6 WESTPORT DRIVE, FATE, TEXAS 7 5 1 8 9. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS SED WILLIAMS. I AM THE OWNER OF COM K NINE, ENHANCED PROTECTION SERVICE. 
          UH, L-L-C-C-E-O FOR WILLIAMS COUNCIL SECURITY GROUP, INCORPORATED. 
          UM, AGAIN, JUST KIND OF TOUCHING, I'M SORRY, ADDRESS, 
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UH, 2 2 2 9 CANTOR DRIVE, MESQUITE, TEXAS SEVEN FIVE ONE EIGHT ONE. 
          UH, PHONE NUMBER (910) 320-2091. 
          UM, AGAIN, GOING INTO THOSE, UH, STATISTIC NUMBERS, GOING BACK AND BEING ABLE TO BREAK IT DOWN, ONCE WE WERE ABLE TO GO INTO DETAIL, UH, IN THE PREVIOUS HEARING, IT WAS STATED THAT WE HAD 40 CALLS WITHIN THAT AREA. 
          SO AFTER RECEIVING THE ACTUAL DATA, UH, AND BEING BREAKING ABLE TO BREAK THAT DOWN OF THOSE 40 CALLS, ONLY 15 OF THOSE CALLS WHILE ACTUALLY DURING OUR, UH, ACTUAL WORKING HOURS FROM THAT 15, IT ACTUALLY BROKE DOWN TO NINE OF THOSE CALLS WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THEM BEING THE MAJOR DISTURBANCE THAT ACTUALLY APPLIED TO US DURING THOSE TIMES. 
          AND IF YOU TAKE THOSE NINE CALLS, UM, OVER A PERIOD OF 48 MONTHS, UH, BREAKS DOWN TO A POINT 18 PER MONTH, UH, IN CALLS. 
          SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CRIME AS TO WHAT WAS ACTUALLY TAKING PLACE DURING THAT POINT IN TIME, THE ACTUAL DATA SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. 
          UM, UM, ONCE WE GET TO THAT ACTUAL NUMBER OF BREAKDOWN IN, IN THE CRIME. 
          UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO GO OVER, UH, MYSELF AS ONE OF THE CHIEFS FOR THE SECURITY IS THE TRAINING. 
          I'M IN CHARGE OF THE TRAINING. 
          I ALSO OWN KIND K NINE SCHOOL FOR SECURITY PROFESSIONALS. 
          UH, SO WHERE I BREAK DOWN THIS INFORMATION HERE, UH, PLEASE EXCUSE THIS BEING A MISPRINT. 
          ALL OUR OFFICERS ARE NON-COMMISSIONED AND COMMISSIONED SECURITY OFFICERS, NOT POLICE OFFICERS, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE LICENSED THROUGH THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          UM, THROUGH THE TEXAS DPS, ALL OUR OFFICERS ARE TRAINED AND GOVERNED BY THE 1702 THE OCCUPATION CODES MANUAL FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND SECURITY, UH, PRIVATE SECURITY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          SO WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE TRAINING AND THE THINGS THAT THEY RECEIVE, WE TRAIN AND, AND TEACH, UH, BASED OFF OF THE TEXT, THE CDM, WHICH IS CRITICAL DECISION MAKING, UM, UH, MODEL, WHICH GOES BACK INTO THE PROFESSIONALISM AND, AND WHAT WE EXPECT OF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF OUR OFFICERS. 
          UH, WHEN CHOOSING AND PICKING OUR OFFICERS, UH, AND SCREENING, I KINDA GIVE YOU BACKGROUND OF WHO I AM. 
          I SPENT 20 YEARS IN THE MARINE CORPS. 
          18 OUT OF 20 OF THOSE YEARS WAS IN RETENTION AND RECRUITING. 
          SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SCREENING, UM, I SCREENED THOSE OFFICERS ALMOST IN THE SAME ASPECT THAT I DID AS A RECRUITER FOR THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS. 
          UM, SO THE BACKGROUND THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AND PROFESSIONALISM THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UH, OUT OF THOSE OFFICERS AND THE EXPECTATIONS WE HAVE. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH SIR. 
          OFFICER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, NEXT SPEAKER. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY. 
          PERFECT. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS TYLER CASTRO. 
          UH, MY ADDRESS IS 3 1 5 SOUTH CAESAR CHAVEZ BOULEVARD, APARTMENT 10 23, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 1. 
          I AM THE DIRECTOR OF BEVERAGE AND OPERATIONS FOR CLUB VIVO. 
          THERE HAS BEEN SOME RHETORIC, UH, STATING LAST TIME THAT WE MET THAT. 
          UH, WE ARE AN UNSAFE ESTABLISHMENT, UM, AND THAT WE HAVE THINGS LIKE A LOT OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. 
          UH, I AM WELL VERSED IN WHAT IS THE TEXAS ALCOHOL BEVERAGE COMMISSION, UH, VIOLATIONS. 
          YOU CAN GET THESE ONLINE THROUGH THE TABC GOVERNMENT WEBSITE. 
          AND WHAT I WANNA DO IS I WANNA SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ABOUT THESE FALSE CLAIMS, UM, OF, OF OUR COMPLIANCE WITH THE REGULATIONS. 
          I BELIEVE THAT WE DO OPERATE, UH, WITH INTEGRITY AND WE DO PRIORITIZE SAFETY. 
          UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE A STRICT ADHERENCE TO THE LAW. 
          CONSIDER THIS MIKO CENA DALLAS DOWNTOWN LOCATION. 
          A FAMILY ORIENTED RESTAURANT HAS FIVE VIOLATIONS ON THEIR TABC, INCLUDING SERVING A MINOR SPORTING CLUB HAS TWO VIOLATIONS FOR SERVING MINORS. 
          CITIZEN NIGHTCLUB HAS TWO VIOLATIONS, ONE INVOLVING SERVING A MINOR MEDUSA. 
          THE PRIOR TENANT OF OUR SPACE BEFORE CLUB VIVO HAD OVER EIGHT VIOLATIONS. 
          THOSE INCLUDING CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, DRUG POSSESSION, AND EVEN TAX EVASION. 
          CLUB VIVO BY COMPARISON, IS FOUR TIMES LARGER THAN ANY OF THESE VENUES. 
          AND WE SERVE FOUR TIMES MORE THE GUESTS, BUT DESPITE THE SCALE, WE DON'T HAVE THESE VIOLATIONS THAT THESE OTHER, UM, THAT THESE OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS HAVE. 
          WE JUST HAVE TWO WRITTEN WARNINGS THROUGH RIGOROUS ID CHECKS, EXTENSIVE STAFF TRAINING, AND CONSISTENT OPERATIONAL REVIEWS. 
          WE ENSURE THAT COMPLIANCE AND WE PROVIDE A SAFE 
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AND RESPONSIBLE ENVIRONMENT WHEN IT COMES TO ALSO, WE HAVE, UH, BEEN PUT UP FOR, THERE'S AN ALLEGATIONS, UH, OF SERVING MINORS. 
          WE HAVE A ZERO TOLERANCE FOR THAT, AND WE HAVE NOT, UM, BEEN CALLED TO THE CARPET FOR THAT BY TABC. 
          UM, AS A GOVERNMENT ENTITY, IT'S CLEAR TO ME THAT THESE CLAIMS ARE NOT SUPPORTED BY FACTS. 
          UH, CLUB VIVO HAS CONSISTENTLY DEMONSTRATED A COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, AND FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW. 
          WE TAKE PRIDE IN OPERATING RESPONSIBLY AND FAIRLY, AND WE ASK THE COUNCIL TO RECOGNIZE, UM, OUR EFFORTS RATHER THAN FOCUS ON UNFOUNDED CRITICISMS. WE WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE CITY TO CONTINUE BEING A SAFE AND POSITIVE PRESENCE IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THESE TABC VIOLATIONS BY OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO GIVE THEM TO YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          HELLO. 
          HOW YOU GUYS DOING TODAY? MY NAME'S ANGEL LOPEZ. 
          MY ADDRESS IS 47 25 ROBERTS DRIVE, THE COLONY, TEXAS 7 5 0 5 6. 
          I STAND HERE NOT ONLY AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF VIVO, BUT ALSO ON BEHALF OF THE INC. 
          THE INCREDIBLE TEAM OF INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE DEDICATED THEIR TIME, ENERGY, AND PASSION TO THIS ESTABLISHMENT. 
          INDIVIDUALS WHO FIND THEMSELVES DISPLACED, SEEKING NEW EMPLOYMENT, AND IN MANY CASES STRUGGLING TO REGAIN STABILITY. 
          OUR STAFF MEMBERS ARE NOT JUST EMPLOYEES. 
          THEY'RE AMBASSADORS OF OUR BRAND, EMBODYING THE VALUES AND STANDARDS THAT MAKE VIVO A TRUSTED AND RESPECTED ESTABLISHMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          WE CAREFULLY SELECT INDIVIDUALS WHO PA, WHO ARE PASSIONATE, PROFESSIONAL, AND COMMITTED TO MAINTAINING BOTH OUR OPERATIONAL EXCELLENCE AND THE WELCOMING ATMOSPHERE THAT DEFINES US. 
          WE TAKE PRIDE IN THE TEAM AND DEVELOPING A TEAM THAT TURNS TO FAMILY AND SUPPORT ONE ANOTHER IN LIFE. 
          WE HAVE COLLEGE STUDENTS, SINGLE MOTHERS AND HEAD OF HOUSEHOLDS, UH, HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD FATHERS THAT SINCE, SINCE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FULLY PROVIDE FOR THEIR FAMILIES DURING THE HOLIDAYS. 
          DESPITE OUR EFFORTS TO RETAIN AS MANY EMPLOYEES WITHIN OUR SISTER CONCEPTS, NOT EVERYONE CAN MAKE THIS TRANSITION DUE TO SCHOOL COMMITMENTS, PERSONAL SCHEDULES, AND OTHER CONSTRAINTS. 
          THIS HAS, THIS HAS LEFT MONEY WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES. 
          THE FINANCIAL LOSSES WE'VE EXPERIENCED ARE STAGGERING. 
          WITH 17 CLOSE SHIFTS SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, WE HAVE ACCUMULATED A REVENUE LOSS OF OVER $1 MILLION, WHICH DIRECTLY CORRELATES TO A $200,000 REDUCTION IN STAFF TIP OUTS, UM, IN STAFF, TIP OUT EARNINGS INCOME THAT MANY OF OUR EMPLOYEES RELY ON. 
          THE ABSENCE OF THIS CRITICAL REVENUE STREAM HAS HAD RIPPLE EFFECTS ACROSS THE TEAM. 
          ONE MESSAGE I RECEIVE FROM A STAFF MEMBER EXEMPLIFIES THE SEVERITY OF THESE CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          AND I QUOTE, I'M APPLYING FOR SNAP BENEFITS BECAUSE I'M REALLY BROKE RIGHT NOW. 
          I QUALIFIED, BUT I NEED A, A LETTER FROM YOU AS PROOF TO SEND THAT, THAT WE ARE CLOSED DOWN THESE WORDS. 
          AS THE GM IS NOT EASY TO HEAR, THEY REFLECT THE PROFOUND IMPACT THIS SITUATION HAS HAD ON OUR TEAM. 
          HARDWORKING PEOPLE WHO HAVE BUILT THEIR LIVELIHOODS AROUND SERVING THIS COMMUNITY. 
          I SHARED THIS TO REMIND TODAY, TO REMIND EVERYONE OF THE HUMAN COSTS OF THESE CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          IT'S NOT ABOUT THE REVENUE OR THE BUSINESS, IT'S ABOUT LIVES DISRUPTED, FAMILIES AFFECTED, AND OUR DREAMS PUT ON HOLD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HELLO. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          I THINK IT TURNED OFF. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          PERFECT. 
          MY NAME IS MILES DELGADO, UH, 9 31 FAIRWAY DRIVE, DUNCANVILLE, TEXAS 7 5 1 3 7. 
          UH, I'M JUST HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF CLUB VIVO, UH, AS OF SAFE SPACE IN THE COMMUNITY AND A SPOT FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO SAFEGUARD EACH OTHER WHILE HAVING FUN. 
          UH, IT'S CENTRAL DALLAS. 
          IT'S THE ONLY NIGHTCLUB IN CENTRAL DALLAS AS WE KNOW. 
          IT'S OUTSIDE OF DEEP EL, UM, AND CLUB VIVO IS JUST UNIQUE. 
          UH, THERE'S MORE THAT GOES ON THERE THAN JUST, UH, A WEEKEND PARTY. 
          IT'S USED FOR FAMILY GATHERINGS. 
          IT'S USED FOR, UH, HISPANIC EVENTS. 
          IT'S USED FOR PULLING IN BANDS FROM ALL ACROSS THE WORLD THAT FRANKLY GO NOWHERE ELSE IN DALLAS BECOME THE CLUB VIVO BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE AUDIENCE THERE. 
          UM, IT IS A COMMUNITY STAPLE FOR PEOPLE IN DALLAS. 
          UH, I WON'T, I DON'T WANNA KEEP YOUR TIME TOO LONG, BUT, UH, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. 
          WE HAVE ANNUAL TOY AND COAT DRIVES COMING UP FOR THE STAFF TO SUPPORT STAFF DURING HARD TIMES. 
          AS ANGEL JUST SPEAK ON, UH, SPOKE ON, EXCUSE ME. 
          UH, ON FEBRUARY 15TH, WE ARE HOSTING, UH, GRANDPARENTS RAISING GRANDCHILDREN'S EVENT, UH, THAT IS PUT ON BY OUR STAFF, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, AS IT READS, IT'S TO HONOR GRANDPARENTS THAT TAKE CARE OF GRANDCHILDREN WHOSE PARENTS AREN'T THERE. 
          AND EVENTS LIKE THAT HAPPEN AT CLUB VIVO. 
          UM, THERE WE HAVE THE HATLEY 
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BROTHERS AMATEUR PRO BOXING ROUNDS THAT GO DOWN THERE FROM TIME TO TIME. 
          AND THESE EVENTS ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF COMMUNITY DRIVEN ASPECTS THAT ARE SAFE AND UNITE THE COMMUNITY THROUGH CLUB VIVO. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          HI, I DOING RICHARD COUNCIL, UH, THE OTHER PART OF THE, UH, SECURITY TEAM. 
          UM, I OWN MY OWN SECURITY COMPANY, SO HOW IT'S SET UP IS MY PARTNER SAID AND ME, WE, UH, PROHIBIT AND, UH, BASICALLY FORMED A TWO SECURITY, UH, DETAIL. 
          AND SO YOU HAVE TWO SECURITY COMPANIES RUNNING ONE ESTABLISHMENT, UM, AT ANY GIVEN TIME. 
          WE HAVE 16, UH, 16, UM, MINIMUM LICENSED SECURITY OFFICERS WHO ARE LICENSED THROUGH THE, UH, TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF SAFETY FOR, UM, TO BASICALLY BE ABLE TO HANDLE AND DEAL WITH SITUATIONS SUCH AS ALTERCATIONS, UH, DEESCALATION. 
          UM, WE GIVE THEM, UH, SIX MONTHS TRAINING. 
          EVERY SIX MONTHS WE COME BACK AND WE KIND OF PUT OUR TRAINING BACK TOGETHER, UM, TO KIND OF IMPROVE ON THINGS AND, UM, AND FIGURE OUT, UH, WHERE WE CAN BE BETTER AT. 
          UM, WE HAVE 35 AT ANY GIVEN TIME FOR LARGE EVENTS, CONCERTS, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, I'M EX DPD AND SO, UM, I BRING THAT DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, STRUCTURE TO THE ARMED GUARDS WHO WE HAVE OUTSIDE. 
          UM, IN THE FRONT. 
          WE HAVE TWO IN THE FRONT AND WE HAVE TWO IN THE BACK. 
          UM, WE ALSO ARE, UM, INTERESTED IN HAVING DPD, UM, ACTUALLY THERE. 
          UM, MY PARTNERS, UH, I HAVE, LET'S SEE, FOUR SERGEANTS ON THIS VERY CHANNEL THAT I CAN CALL RIGHT NOW, SPEED DIAL, WHO ARE INTERESTED IN, UM, HELPING US, UH, MAKE VIVO A SAFER PLACE. 
          UM, WE HAVE FEMALE OFFICERS THAT THERE, THEY SEARCH THE FEMALES, UM, THEY, YOU KNOW, PAT DOWN THEM, THEY'RE IN THE BATHROOMS. UM, WE PRETTY MUCH HAVE FEMALE IN EVERY FEMALE BATHROOM. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE STRUCTURE OF HOW WE HAVE OUR SECURITY DETAIL, UM, JUST KIND OF MIXED WITH EX-MILITARY, EX LAW ENFORCEMENT, SO TO MAKE VIVO AS, UH, SAFE AS POSSIBLE. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          UM, MY NAME IS TIGGA SOLOMON AND I'M REPRESENTING THE DALLAS BLACK CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, LOCATED AT 29 22 MARTIN LUTHER KING, JUNIOR BOULEVARD, DALLAS, TEXAS M 5 2 1 5. 
          WE ARE HERE TO EXPRESS OUR SUPPORT FOR VIVO AND THEIR APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUP. 
          FOR THE DANCE HALL. 
          VIVO HAS DEMONSTRATED A SINCERE COMMITMENT TO ADDRESSING THE CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY THE COMMITTEE AND THE BROADER COMMUNITY. 
          WE BELIEVE GRANTING A ONE YEAR SUP WILL PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR VIVO TO ESTABLISH THEMSELVES AS A RESPONSIBLE BUSINESS PARTNER AND GOOD NEIGHBOR WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS VIVO HAS SHOWN THEY, THEY ARE EMPATHETIC TO THE CONCERNS OUTLINED BY THE CITY AND HAVE TAKEN MEANINGFUL STEPS TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES. 
          THEIR ASSURANCE TO COMPLY FULLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE LOCAL, STATE, AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS, DEMONSTRATES THEIR DEDICATION TO OPERATING REASONABLY AND TRANSPARENT TRANSPARENTLY. 
          THE KELLY FAMILY, AS OWNERS OF VIVO, HAVE COMMITTED TO FOSTERING STRONG TIES WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          THEY'RE ACTIVELY SEEKING PARTNERSHIP WITH LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS TO CREATE A COMPATIBLE AND INCLUSIVE BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT. 
          VIVO GIVES PRIORITY TO EMPLOYING COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND CONTRIBUTING FINANCIALLY TO THE CITY, EMPHASIZING THEIR ROLE AS COMMUNITY FOCUSED EMPLOYER AND NEIGHBOR. 
          WE RESPECTFULLY SUPPORT VIVOS APPLICATION FOR A ONE YEAR SUP FOR THE DANCEHALL. 
          THIS INITIAL APPROVAL WILL ALLOW VIVO TO DEMONSTRATE THEIR COMMITMENT TO COMPLIANCE, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, AND RESPONSIBLE BUSINESS PRACTICES. 
          AT THE END OF THIS PERIOD, VIVO WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RETURN TO THE COMMITTEE TO RENEW THE PER UM, PERMIT BASED ON THEIR PERFORMANCE AND CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          WE BELIEVE VIVOS EFFORTS ALIGN WITH THE CITY'S CITY OF DALLAS GOALS FOR SUSTAINABLE AND COMMUNITY ORIENTED BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT. 
          GRANTING THIS SUP WILL PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR VIVO TO PROVE THEIR DEDICATION TO BEING A REPUTABLE AND RESPONSIBLE BUSINESS IN THE AREA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS ARIUS BRITON. 
          I'M THE VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE DALLAS BLACK CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. 
          UM, I, I GUESS MY ADDRESS, 2 2 2 1 4 DYSON STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5. 
          UM, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY, I I ASSUME THE COMMISSION HAS RECEIVED A LETTER, UM, THAT WE 
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SENT OVER TO, UM, SO I MET THE KELLY FAMILY BACK AND I USED TO SERVE ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE REGIONAL BLACK CONTRACT ASSOCIATION. 
          SO I HAVEN'T BEEN IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION IN A FEW YEARS. 
          UM, USUALLY THIS REPRESENTING ONE OF OUR MEMBERS THAT LOOK TO DO DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CITY. 
          AND I MET THE KELLY FAMILY BACK IN, I WANNA SAY 20 18, 20 19. 
          AND, UM, I GOT INVITED TO A LUNCH JUST TO SIT DOWN. 
          AND, UM, WHAT I DIDN'T REALIZE WAS THEY WERE LOOKING FOR HELP. 
          UM, THEY WERE DOING DEVELOPMENTS AND THEY HAD PLANS TO, UM, KIND OF CONTRIBUTING TO THE, UH, THE DOWNTOWN DALLAS AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. 
          AND THE QUESTION THAT, UM, THE KELLY'S ALWAYS ASKED WAS, HOW DO WE GET IT RIGHT? EVERY CONVERSATION I'VE HAD WITH THE KELLY FAMILY, UM, ON ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, ANY BUSINESS VENTURE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, ANY COMMUNITY, UM, ENGAGEMENT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, THEY ALWAYS WANT TO KNOW HOW TO GET IT RIGHT. 
          I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK OVER THE, UM, FILES AND THE REPORTS AND EVEN REVIEW THE, UM, THE, UH, COMMISSION MEETINGS THAT THEY PARTICIPATED IN. 
          AND I DO, I UNDERSTAND, UM, SOME OF THE CONCERNS, BUT I ALSO SEE THE DEDICATION AND COMMITMENT FROM THE ORGANIZATION TO GET IT RIGHT. 
          WE KNOW IN 2025 THAT THERE ARE GONNA BE A, UM, A FEW MORE, UM, EVENTS THAT THEY HAVE COMING UP. 
          I BELIEVE. 
          UM, UM, MR. MILES, HE, UM, ACTUALLY HE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THOSE, UM, PARTNERSHIPS THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, WE ARE STRONG SUPPORT OF SEEING THEM GET THIS SUP MOVE THROUGH. 
          WE ARE FIRM BELIEVERS THAT THEY ARE GONNA DO RIGHT BY THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND AT THE DALLAS BLACK CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. 
          WE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE DOLLARS THAT IT'S SPENT, BUT IT'S ABOUT BEING A REAL COMMUNITY PARTNER, HOW OUR MEMBERS ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY, HOW THESE, UH, HOW, UH, THE BUSINESSES THEY ACTUALLY DEVELOP INSIDE OF OUR AREAS. 
          THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US. 
          UM, I USUALLY DON'T STAND BEFORE COMMITTEES BECAUSE USUALLY, UM, I'M KIND OF ON THE BACK, UM, BACK END OF THINGS AND JUST WORKING WITH THE, UM, UM, BEHIND THE SCENES OF THINGS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR MEMBERS ARE COMPLIANT. 
          UM, BUT I DO FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THEIR COMMITMENT. 
          I'VE WATCHED IT, I'VE SEEN IT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING ALONGSIDE OF THEM. 
          AND THE QUESTION THAT THEY ALWAYS ASK WHEN THEY REACH OUT TO ME IS, HOW DO WE DO THIS? RIGHT. 
          STRONGLY SUPPORTIVE, THEIR, UH, OF THIS INITIATIVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING, GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD EVENING. 
          I AM ESTHER DAVIS. 
          MY ADDRESS IS 2204 MILMORE STREET. 
          I'M IN DALLAS, TEXAS. 
          THE GREAT GREATEST PART ABOUT DALLAS, THE CEDAR CREST AREA. 
          I AM THE COMMUNITY LIAISON FOR THE KELLY FAMILY AND FOR THE CONCEPTS, I SPENT EIGHT YEARS AS DIRECTOR OF, UM, DIRECTOR OF CUSTOMER SERVICE OR CUSTOMER AFFAIRS COMMUNITY AFFAIRS FOR PAX TV, THEIR FIRST EIGHT YEARS IN THE STATE, AND WENT FROM THERE TO DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS FOR TIME WARNER WHEN WE CAME INTO, WHEN TIME WARNER CAME INTO TEXAS WITH THEIR 500 CHANNELS. 
          I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THIS COMPANY NOW FOR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT OUR REACH HAS BEEN WITH VIVO. 
          VIVO IS THE BEST KEPT SECRET IN DALLAS, AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS DOWNTOWN IS CENTRALLY LOCATED AND IT IS SO VERSATILE. 
          SO WE'VE HAD GROUPS IN THAT DID NOT NECESSARILY WANT TO EAT, OR DID NOT NECESSARILY WANTED TO GO TO THE CLUB. 
          BUT AT CLUB VIVO, BECAUSE OF ITS VERSATILITY, THEY WERE THERE TO HAVE A SHORT MEETING. 
          I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE EXAMPLE. 
          YOU HAVE A PACKET IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          THERE ARE LETTERS FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED AT VIVO, AND I WON'T READ THEM, I KNOW I CAN'T READ THEM, BUT WHAT THEY'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT HAPPENED WITH THEM PERSONALLY. 
          AND WHEN THEY CAME TO CLUB VIVO, CLUB VIVO, WE'VE HAD GROUPS THERE THAT YOU MAY NOT ALL BE FAMILIAR WITH BECAUSE DALLAS IS THIS LARGE BIG CITY. 
          WE GOT ALL OF THE BIG STUFF COMING, BIG CONVENTIONS, AND WE HAVE SMALL GROUPS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE, FOR US, WE ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE WINTER MEETINGS. 
          THE, SOME OF THE GROUPS THAT HAVE WINTER MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD JUST IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. 
          WE HAD THE GLOBAL WOMEN NETWORK CONFERENCE. 
          THEY HAD FINISHED THEIR CONFERENCE. 
          THEY WANTED MORE TALKING, THEY HAD MORE PEOPLE HERE FROM OTHER CITIES. 
          SO WE USE VIVO ONCE. 
          SOMEONE JUST MENTIONED A LITTLE WHILE AGO, THE GRANDPARENT, WE HAVE A GRANDPARENTS CONFERENCE. 
          WE INVITE YOU TO THE GRANDPARENTS CONFERENCE. 
          FIRST ONE WE'VE HAD IN DALLAS, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE IT AT VIVO SO WE CAN SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENTS, ET CETERA, TO SEE WHAT DO GRANDPARENTS NEED TO GET THROUGH THIS JOURNEY. 
          WE ENTERTAINED THE, THE BLACK PILOTS OF AMERICA, THEY'RE A WINNER BOARD MEETING. 
          SEE, DALLAS IS GROWING SO FAST. 
          DALLAS IS GROWING SO FAST THAT I THINK THERE ARE GROUPS THAT ARE COMING IN WITH EXTRA NEEDS. 
          SO VIVO IS A PERFECT VENUE 
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FOR THAT. 
          WE ALMOST GOT TOM HANKS INTO TOWN A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. 
          IRMA P HALL, WHO'S ONE OF THE ACTRESSES WHO LIVES HERE IN DALLAS, IS A PERSONAL FRIEND OF HIS, AND I'M MENTIONING THIS BECAUSE WE ALL GOT EXCITED ABOUT IT, BUT IT WAS HER BIRTHDAY. 
          THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
          THAT'S YOUR TIME. 
          THANK MUCH. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US VERY MUCH. 
          DO WHAT YOU CAN SERVING. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          WE ARE SERVING THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKERS. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE THIS? SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS. 
          MR. SANTOS? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          SO YOU, YOU GAVE US A LOT TO CONSUME HERE. 
          I KNOW, AND IT'S, UH, YES. 
          IMAGINE IF IT WAS ON ONE POINT. 
          IT'S A HEARING. 
          I TOOK THE SPEED READING COURSE AND I, I I PASSED IT, BUT I'M NOT SO SURE. 
          I I DID NOW. 
          SO HELP ME GET A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DID ASK STAFF TO GET THE CRIME STATS TO DISTRIBUTE TO MY COLLEAGUES, AND I'M HOPING YOU KNOW IT. 
          AS YOU KNOW, WE DEAL WITH ALL KINDS OF CASES AND WE SEE CRIME STATS FOR ALL KINDS OF THINGS. 
          FOR SOME OF THEM, WE CAN PUT THEM INTO CONTEXT ON OUR OWN. 
          THIS IS NOT ONE PARTICULAR USE THAT WHEN I LOOK AT THE CRIME STATS, I CAN PUT 'EM IN CONTEXT MYSELF. 
          SO I'M HOPING THAT YOU CAN HELP ME DO THAT HERE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I THINK IT'S IN HERE, BUT I'M, I'M NOT SURE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          IF, IF YOU GO TO, UH, I THINK IT'S PAGE, STARTING ON PAGE RIGHT AFTER OUR STREET VIEW PHOTOS, YOU SEE THE ACTUAL BUILDING ITSELF, WHERE WE ARE ON THE CORNER. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DEMONSTRATE WHAT, IF ANY RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY YOU HAVE FOR PROPOSED USE LIKE THIS TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL CONDO TOWER OR ACROSS THE STREET. 
          I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT VARIABLE TO CONSIDER. 
          WHAT WE'VE DEMONSTRATED IN TWO AND THREE IS THAT THERE IS NO RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY RIGHT NEXT TO THIS BUILDING. 
          IT'S NOT EVEN ONE BUILDING OVER, IT'S AT THE OTHER END OF THE CORNER. 
          GO TO THE NEXT PAGE AND WE START TALKING ABOUT CRIME STATS AND STATISTICS. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, IN THE CONTEXT OF DOWNTOWN, WHAT IS HAPPENING DOWNTOWN. 
          AND SO WE PULLED OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS THAT HAVE HOURS THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM OURS, BUT CASES THAT YOU'VE HEARD AS WELL. 
          SO WE'VE LOOKED AT THE LIBRARY ACROSS THE STREET. 
          I ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE CRIME STATS FOR CITY HALL TOO, BUT WE TOOK OUT ALL THE MOTOR VEHICLE DATA, THE, UH, UNAUTHORIZED USE OF A MOTOR VEHICLE, BURGLARY OF MOTOR VEHICLE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A PARKING LOT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A PARKING GARAGE. 
          AND IN SOME INSTANCES, EVEN AT COUNCIL, ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ASKED, WE SEE A LOT OF BMVS, IS THAT THE LOT ACROSS THE STREET? BUT YOU PIN IT TO THIS ADDRESS BECAUSE THAT'S THE CLOSEST ADDRESS. 
          SO WE PULLED ALL THAT DATA OUT. 
          BMBS, I'M SORRY, BMBS, YOU SAID BMVS BURGLARY OF MOTOR VEHICLES. 
          GOTCHA. 
          SO WE TOOK OUT DATA THAT IS HAPPENING ALL OVER DOWNTOWN WITH VEHICLE VANDALISM AND BREAK-INS TO TRY TO GIVE CONTEXT OF WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING WHEN THIS ESTABLISHMENT IS PHYSICALLY OPEN. 
          AND SO WE PULLED OUT FOUR YEARS SINCE THE OPERATOR TOOK OVER, EVICTED THE LAST TENANT AND TOOK OVER THAT SPACE. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT FOUR YEARS OF DATA. 
          I, I, I DID SEE WHAT STAFF PRESENTED. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR BACK IT GOES, BUT WE SUBMITTED AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT TO JUST CALL DATA AND SEE WHAT, WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON. 
          SO WE LOOKED AT THE COLUMNS. 
          IF YOU START MOVING FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, THERE'S AN INCIDENT NUMBER, THERE'S A TIME, THERE'S A DAY, THERE'S WHAT THE CALL WAS ABOUT. 
          AND THEN TO SECOND TO LAST COLUMN, WHAT DID THE POLICE DO? AND IN THAT COLUMN, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE'S 39. 
          WE ACTUALLY GROUPED THEM TOGETHER. 
          AND AT THE BOTTOM, UM, IT'S THIS, THIS EXHIBIT SHEET, IT'S A SEPARATE SHEET AT THE BOTTOM. 
          IT HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW WERE ACTUAL INCIDENCES THAT WE FOUND THAT HAPPENED WHEN WE WERE OPEN THE DAY AND THE TIME THAT WE WERE OPEN. 
          NOW, THERE WERE SOME DISCREPANCIES PUTTING US TOGETHER BECAUSE AT FRIDAY, AT ONE 30 IN THE MORNING, THAT'S REALLY THURSDAY NIGHT, RIGHT? WELL, WE DON'T OPEN UNTIL FRIDAY AT 10:00 PM SO WE, WE HAD TO GO AND SCREEN THESE OUT SOME MORE. 
          BUT YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE THAT WE GROUPED WHEN THE POLICE DID SHOW UP, AND IT'S KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIRST PAGE, THAT KIDNAPPING REPORT THAT WAS CALLED THAT, IT WAS IN THE DATA. 
          IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY FROM LEFT TO RIGHT AND YOU SEE, WELL, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ULTIMATELY HAPPENED? THERE'S NO POLICE REPORT. 
          NOTHING WAS FILED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IN TRYING TO DEMONSTRATE THE COMPATIBILITY AND THE STANDARD WITH RESPECT TO CRIME DATA, WHICH I THINK YOU SEE IN A LOT OF SUP CASES, PARTICULARLY SUP CASES THAT SERVE ALCOHOL. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS AN OCCURRENCE THAT YOU SEE IN YOUR DOCKET AND YOUR STAFF PREPARES FOR YOU. 
          BUT WE'RE 
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TRYING TO DEMONSTRATE WHAT IS ACTUALLY OCCURRING WHEN WE'RE PHYSICALLY OPEN, THE DAYS WE'RE OPEN, AND THE HOURS THAT WE'RE OPEN. 
          AND IT'S ONLY EIGHT HOURS IN ONE GIVEN WEEK THAT THIS CLUB OPERATES. 
          SO THE DATA THAT YOU HAVE IN CONTEXT OF DOWNTOWN, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S TWO ASSAULTS AT THE LIBRARY. 
          THERE'S ASSAULTS AT THE MCDONALD'S. 
          THERE'S TWO ASSAULTS AT THE SEVEN 11. 
          YOU HAD SOME LETTERS FROM RESIDENCES WHO ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PARK THAT'S NORTH ACROSS PACIFIC. 
          THERE ARE MORE AGGRAVATED ASSAULTS HAPPENING AT THE SEVEN 11 AT THE ST. 
          PAUL STATION AND IN THE PARK BETWEEN US AND THAT TOWER. 
          THEN THERE'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING AND IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT, BUT LIKE ONE OF THE SPEAKERS SAID, NO ONE IS ADVOCATING FOR NO ONE TO BE AT THE PARK. 
          NO ONE IS ADVOCATING FOR THE SEVEN ELEVENS TO CLOSE. 
          BUT I THINK IN THE CONTEXT OF WHERE WE ARE DOWNTOWN, IT SHOULD BE PUT INTO CONTEXT WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE HOTEL, WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE PARK, AND THEN WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING AT THIS VENUE WHEN IT'S PHYSICALLY OPEN. 
          DOES THAT HELP PROVIDE CLARITY? IT DOES. 
          AND JUST, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          SO WHEN ON THIS PAGE YES. 
          THE, THE BOTTOM 1515 CALLS IN A FOUR YEAR PERIOD OR 15 CALLS WHERE THERE WAS A POLICE REPORT FILED? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THE, THE 39 CALLS WITH NO POLICE ACTION THAT THOSE WERE CALLS WITH FROM THIS ADDRESS, BUT THERE WAS NO POLICE REPORT FILED OR IT WAS THERE AND THERE WAS, BUT WE WEREN'T EVEN OPEN. 
          IT WAS LIKE A WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON OR THURSDAY MORNING. 
          SO YES, EVERYTHING IS THOSE NO, THOSE ARE THE 82 CALLS. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT THE 39 CALLS. 
          NO ACT, NO POLICE ACTION FILED OR CORRECT. 
          UUMV. 
          CORRECT. 
          THOSE WERE CALLS, BUT THERE WAS NOTHING FILED. 
          THERE'S 39 OF THOSE. 
          THERE'S 39 OF CORRECT, 39 OF THOSE INSTANCES WHERE A CALL WAS MADE, BUT NO REPORT WAS FILED, RIGHT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN AFTER THAT PAGE, IT JUST GIVES THAT, WE PULLED FOUR YEARS OF DATA FOR THOSE SAME ESTABLISHMENTS DOWNTOWN. 
          AND YOU'LL NOTICE IN THE, THERE WAS A BLIP EVEN, UM, IN 2022 AT THE LIBRARY, RIGHT, THAT YOU SAW 15 CASES THAT REPORTED THAT. 
          AGAIN, WE TOOK OUT MOTOR VEHICLE CRIMES TO JUST SHOW WHAT IS IN CONTEXT GOING ON. 
          UH, THERE WAS A BLIP AT CLUB VIVO WITH NINE IN 2023. 
          UH, BUT IT'S EITHER ONE, TWO, OR THREE INCIDENCES IN A YEAR. 
          UM, SO THAT NEXT PAGE JUST GIVES YOU CONTEXT. 
          IF YOU GO TO THE PAGE AFTER THAT, IT BREAKS DOWN WHAT TYPE OF CALL WAS MADE. 
          WAS IT A DC FOR DISORDERLY CONDUCT? WAS IT AA AN AGGRAVATED ASSAULT? THERE WAS A DISCHARGE OF A FIREARM AT THE SEVEN 11 OVER BY THE WEST END. 
          THERE WERE THREE CALLS FOR THAT. 
          UM, IF YOU LOOK AT, SOMEBODY BROKE INTO A HOTEL ROOM AT HOTEL INDIGO, UM, SO TO GIVE CONTEXT OF WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN DOWNTOWN, THAT THIS IS NOT JUST A SECLUDED ISLAND THAT WE SHOULD TREAT THAT NEVER HAS CRIME. 
          THERE'S NOTHING GOING ON DOWNTOWN. 
          THAT'S IN ESSENCE TO TRY TO SHOW THE OVERALL CONTEXT OF WHY WE PICKED ESTABLISHMENTS THROUGHOUT. 
          AND WE ALSO TRIED TO GET THOSE WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE AREA. 
          PERFECT. 
          VERY HELPFUL. 
          UH, QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER AND MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          I JUST DID WANNA POINT OUT THIS ESTABLISHMENT. 
          AFTER THE COUNCIL HEARING IN OCTOBER, YOU HEARD A SPEAKER TALK ABOUT, UH, LOSS OF INCOME. 
          THE OPERATOR CL CEASED OPERATIONS AFTER THE COUNCIL HEARING. 
          AND SO WE HAVE NOT BEEN OPERATING FOR AT LEAST SIX WEEKS. 
          UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT CAME UP AT THE COUNCIL HEARING. 
          UM, DIDN'T PLAN TO TESTIFY AT PLAN AT COUNCIL. 
          'CAUSE IT WASN'T MY CLIENT THEN. 
          I WAS HERE FOR MEMBER, REMEMBER THE DR. HORTON CASE? WELL, THAT WAS THREE CASES AFTER THAT CASE. 
          SO PART OF THAT CONVERSATION WAS, WHY ARE YOU OPEN? AND SO AFTER THAT HEARING, THEY'VE, THEY'VE CEASED OPERATION. 
          SO I, I DON'T REMEMBER IF THAT CAME UP IN YOUR BRIEFING OR NOT, BUT THEY HAVE NOT HAD OPERATIONS SINCE THE COUNCIL HEARING ON OCTOBER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, VICE CHAIR RUBIN. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU MR. MARTINEZ. 
          YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT SORT OF A COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS OF CLUB VIVO VERSUS OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS DOWNTOWN, WHETHER IT BE THE LIBRARY OR RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, HOTEL SEVEN 11, SO ON AND SO FORTH. 
          UM, THERE ARE SOME SPECIFIC ALLEGATIONS BEING MADE ABOUT CLUB VIVO THAT I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE HEARD THEM ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, IN A COUPLE EMAILS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM PEOPLE WHO SEEM TO LIVE AT THAT, UM, APARTMENT BUILDING ACROSS PACIFIC PLAZA. 
          AND, AND SPECIFICALLY THERE'S A TALK ABOUT GUNFIRE ALLEGEDLY FROM CLUB VIVO STRIKING WINDOWS IN THAT BUILDING AND ALLEGATIONS ABOUT A SEXUAL ASSAULT OCCURRING INSIDE THE CLUB, WHICH SEEMED VERY SERIOUS. 
          AND I JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE HEARD THOSE ADDRESS. 
          SO I WANTED TO SEE WHAT YOUR RESPONSE 
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WAS ON THOSE. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          SO WITH RESPECT TO THE, UH, GUNFIRE, SO THERE WAS AN EVENT AT CLUB VIVO. 
          CLUB VIVO HAD BEEN CLOSED FOR ABOUT 45 MINUTES. 
          PATRONS, IT, IT'S NOT CLEAR TO STAFF BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU'VE HEARD OUR SECURITY DETAIL AND I ASKED THEM TODAY, TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED. 
          SO WE HAD STAFF STILL ON SITE IN OUR SECURITY DETAILS BECAUSE PEOPLE LEFT THE CLUB. 
          THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE TRYING TO GET INTO THE VENUE, BUT IT WAS CLOSED. 
          SO THERE WERE CONGREGATIONS GOING ON AT THE PARK ACROSS THE STREET. 
          WE WEREN'T OPEN AT THAT TIME, BUT OUR SECURITY DETAIL HAD A, A FEELING WE SHOULD PROBABLY STAY AROUND. 
          THERE WAS A GUNSHOT. 
          THE VICTIM ACTUALLY CAME BACK, CAME TO CLUB VIVO BECAUSE WE HAD SECURITY DETAILS. 
          THE GENTLEMAN, ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN WHO SPOKE FROM SECURITY ACTUALLY TOOK OUT THE MEDICAL KIT TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE. 
          THAT DID HAPPEN. 
          IT DID HAPPEN ACROSS THE STREET. 
          IT'S NOT QUITE CLEAR AGAIN, WHO WAS AN ACTUAL PATRON. 
          BUT WE HAD CLOSED, BUT WE KEPT OUR DETAIL OUT 'CAUSE WE JUST NOTICED A LOT OF PEOPLE CONGREGATING THERE. 
          IF YOU NOTICE IN OUR STATS, WE ACTUALLY HIGHLIGHTED THE SEXUAL ASSAULT THAT OCCURRED ON DECEMBER 3RD, 2023. 
          THAT'S LISTED HERE. 
          AND IT, IT SHOWS A POLICE REPORT. 
          OUR SECURITY DETAIL AND OPERATORS HAVE COMPLIED WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S REQUEST. 
          THEY WANT ALL THE TAPES. 
          SO WE GAVE THEM ALL THE TAPES. 
          I I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE INTERVIEWED OUR SECURITY DETAIL, BUT WE'VE COOPERATED FULLY IN TOWARDS THAT INVESTIGATION. 
          UM, I THINK THAT GOES TO WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR A STAFF TO BE PRESENT. 
          UH, WE CAN'T IGNORE OR DENY THAT IT DID HAPPEN. 
          IT'S IN A REPORT AND WE'RE COOPERATING WITH, UH, WITH THE INVESTIGATION. 
          THAT'S AS BEST AS I CAN ADDRESS THAT. 
          THANK YOU MR. MARTINEZ. 
          ONE MORE FOLLOW UP QUESTION. 
          YOU BROUGHT UP THAT THE GUNSHOT THAT ALLEGEDLY STRUCK THE APARTMENT BUILDING WAS AFTER THE CLUB CLOSED. 
          IT'S BEEN A A WHILE SINCE I'VE, UH, CLOSED DOWN A BAR MYSELF. 
          BUT I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES AFTER, YOU KNOW, A BAR CLOSES DOWN, THINGS CAN GET A LITTLE ROUGH. 
          WELL, JUST IN CONTEXT, THIS WAS NOT A BAR EVENT, THIS WAS A 18 BACK TO SCHOOL. 
          SO IT WAS PARENTS AND HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. 
          SO THERE WAS NO ALCOHOL AT THAT EVENT, BUT WE STILL HAD OUR SECURITY DETAIL, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          UM, WHEN YOU SLICE AND DICE YOUR DATA, YOU SAID IT WAS, YOU CUT OUT EVERYTHING THAT WAS NOT WITHIN CLUB VIVOS OPERATING HOURS. 
          DID, THERE WAS SORT OF A BUFFER ON, ON BOTH ENDS TO CATCH THE STUFF THAT MAY HAVE RELATED TO CLUB VIVO EVENTS AFTER CLOSING. 
          AND IF SO, HOW DOES THAT SORT OF IMPACT YOUR, YOUR DATA? SO WE TRIED TO CALL ANYTHING AS CLOSE TO TWO O'CLOCK AS POSSIBLE. 
          LIKE THERE'S SOME CALLS AT 2 0 3, 2 11, BUT CALLS THAT WENT AFTER AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, 2 45. 
          THAT, THAT, I DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT DATA EITHER WAY. 
          IF YOU LOOKING AT THE DATA AND WHAT'S HAPPENED, YOU STILL HAVE INSTANCES WHERE THE POLICE SHOWED UP BUT DIDN'T ACTUALLY FILE A REPORT. 
          YOU ALSO HAVE STILL DATA THAT WE'RE GETTING A CALL ON A WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON. 
          OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          IF THERE WAS SOME, AN INCIDENT GOING ON AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN BETWEEN 10 AND TWO, I DID TRY TO PULL THINGS THAT WERE CLOSER TO TWO O'CLOCK RATHER THAN CLOSER TO TWO 30 OR 2 45. 
          UM, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE A SURFACE PARKING LOT, SO THERE'S NOT IN THEORY, PEOPLE CONGREGATING TO GET INTO THEIR CAR TO THEN TO GO HOME BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THERE THAT THEY CAN CHOOSE TO UBER OR LYFT JUST AS WELL. 
          SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S FAIR IF IT'S AT A 2 47 CALL, WE SHOULD ROUND THAT BACK TO TWO. 
          BUT THERE WAS SOME DISCRETION TO GET THOSE AS CLOSE TO TWO AS POSSIBLE. 
          YEAH, I I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER THERE IS IF THERE IS A RIGHT ANSWER. 
          UM, THAT GUNSHOT THAT STRUCK THE BUILDING, WAS THAT INCLUDED IN YOUR DATA OR IS THAT FALL OUTSIDE OF THE, THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE DATA. 
          WHAT TIME WAS THAT? THAT WAS AT 1145. 
          THE VENUE HAD CLOSED AT 11. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE BACK TO SCHOOL EVENT. 
          THOSE EVENTS. 
          AND INCIDENTALLY, IN TALKING TO THE OWNER, THAT WAS THE LAST ONE THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO. 
          SO FOR THAT SPECIFIC EVENT FOR KIDS GOING BACK TO SCHOOL, THAT ENDED AT 11, THE INCIDENT OCCURRED ABOUT 11 40, 11 45. 
          UM, AND THE OPERATOR HAS SAID THIS, IT'S, WE'D RATHER NOT DO IT AGAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. MARTINEZ. 
          AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO WANT TO ADD, IT'S COME TO MY ATTENTION. 
          I MEAN, YOU'VE, YOU'VE SEEN THE DATA. 
          WE HAVE SIX, A MINIMUM OF 16 SECURITY DETAIL. 
          IT CAN BE RAMPED UP FOR WHEN WE DO HAVE A BAND OR ANOTHER EVENT. 
          IF IT'S THE, IF IT'S THE WILL OF THIS BODY TO MAKE A MINIMUM 16 SECURITY DETAIL, A CONDITION THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE OWNER'S WILLING TO CONSIDER AS WELL. 
          JUST THOUGHT I'D ADD THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER. 
          WHAT ABOUT COMMISSIONER KINGSTON? UM, WITH THE, THE INCIDENT THAT YOU JUST SPOKE OF WITH THE TEENAGERS PARENTS, WERE 
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PARENTS WERE, UH, WITH THEM OR WAS THIS JUST TEENAGE PARTY? WAS IT, WAS IT TEEN AT, AT THE BACK TO SCHOOL EVENT? THERE WERE PARENTS OF AS WELL. 
          AND THERE WAS NO ALCOHOL SALES? NO ALCOHOL SALES ALSO. 
          UM, WHAT IS YOUR PROXIMITY TO, UM, CAFE MOMENTUM? TO WHICH ONE? CAFE MOMENTUM. 
          WHAT, WHAT WAS THE CAFE? CAFE? CAFE MOMENTUM. 
          CAFE MOMENTUM. 
          HOW CLOSE ARE WE? UHHUH HOW CLOSE ARE LOOKING? FOUR BLOCKS? MM-HMM . 
          IT'S ABOUT FOUR BLOCKS. 
          I I KNOW THAT THAT ONE WAS COMMISSIONER THAT'S CLOSER TO THE WEST END THAN IT IS TO US. 
          SO WE ARE, WE'RE ON THIS SIDE OF DOWNTOWN AND CLUB MEMENTOS PAST THE SEVEN 11 GOING TO WEST END. 
          SO IT'S NOT A CLUB. 
          AND I'M ASKING YOU FOR A SPECIFIC REASON. 
          CAFE ME CAFE MOMENTUM IS, WRIGHT IS LITERALLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT BUILDING. 
          IT'S ON. 
          HOLD ON. 
          AND I'M CAFE I'M GONNA ASK YOU, WE'RE GONNA FIGURE THAT, 'CAUSE I WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME REASONING. 
          IS THAT ACCURATE? AND PACIFIC? IT SAID 1810, NO, 1510 PACIFIC. 
          MY APOLOGIES. 
          COMMISSIONER. 
          LAST TIME I WAS IN DOWNTOWN WAS FOR CHRISTMAS WHEN MY BOYS WERE FIVE, SO THEY COULD SEE SANTA CLAUS AT NIGHT. 
          SO I THINK WE HAVE STAFF MEMBERS WHO HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHERE IT IS TO COME. 
          EXPLAIN THAT COMMISSIONER. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE MEASURING IT OVER HERE ON GOOGLE. 
          IT, IT APPEARS TO BE ABOUT 1600 FEET AWAY. 
          IS THAT FAR IF WE GOT IT RIGHT? YES. 
          3.3 MILES. 
          IS THAT IT? THREE BLOCKS. 
          FOUR BLOCKS, YES. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT SEEMS ABOUT RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          MY APOLOGIES. 
          COMMISSIONER AND I ASKED THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS A, YOU HAD, YOU HAD A TEENAGE PARTY AFTERWARDS. 
          PARENTS WAS THERE, THERE WAS A SHOOTING. 
          ARE YOU AWARE CAFE A MOMENTUM IS, IS A, UH, IS IN PROXIMITY TO YOU ALL HAVE STUDENTS THERE THAT WORK AND GOING, LEAVING THERE, THERE WAS ALSO A SHOOTING AND THEY ARE STILL OPEN. 
          NO. 
          COMMISSIONER WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT. 
          SOMEONE WAS KILLED AT THE SEVEN 11 THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, TWO STUDENTS, ONE SHOT, ONE KILLED. 
          COMMISSIONER WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT. 
          AND AND I'M ASKING YOU THAT BECAUSE OF THE PROX, THE THOSE WERE YOUTH? YES. 
          AND EVEN WITH PARENTS ON SITE? YES MA'AM. 
          THE INCIDENTS LIKE THIS HAPPENED? YES MA'AM. 
          ARE YOU AWARE THAT A LOT OF THE, BECAUSE OF THE EMAILS THAT WE GOT, IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS, UH, UN UH, UNDERAGE CHILDREN. 
          THEY WERE, ARE YOU AWARE THAT A LOT OF THE UNDERAGE CRIMES, UM, YOUTH CRIMES THAT ARE IN DEEP EL AND WITHIN THAT BLOCK, UH, WHERE YOU ALL HAVE PUT DATA IN THAT MOST OF IT'S CONTRIBUTED TO YOUTH? I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT, BUT THAT'S, THAT SOUNDS CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, UM, IS THERE ANY REASON, UM, I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN CLUBS. 
          MY DAD HAD CLUBS, MY EX-HUSBAND HAD CLUBS. 
          UM, DO YOU, THAT YOU ALL DO NOT USE OFF-DUTY POLICE OFFICERS? I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ALL HAVE SOME, UH, RETIRED OFFICERS. 
          IS THERE ANY REASON THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SET OF OFF-DUTY OFFICERS? I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S A SET POLICY NOT TO CORRECT. 
          WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD SOME POLICE OFFICERS REQUEST TO COME ON FOR SHIFTS. 
          UH, BUT I'LL LET OUR SECURITY, UH, DETAILS ADDRESS THAT. 
          BUT I, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A, AN ACTIVE POLICY SAY THAT WE SHOULDN'T OR WE CAN'T. 
          WE'VE HAD CALLS IF YOU WANT TO. 
          ARE, ARE YOU AWARE THAT WHEN OFF-DUTY OFFICERS ARE THERE, IT IT DOES TER SOMEWHAT MORE OF THESE TYPE OF VIOLENCE EVENTS THAN WHEN SECURITY ALONE IS THERE, EVEN THOUGH SECURITY CAN BE GREAT ASSETS, BUT HAVING SOME TYPE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, THEY'RE ALSO, UM, 'CAUSE THEY VIEW THEM AS ACTUAL LAW ENFORCEMENT? YES, MA'AM. 
          I, I DO AGREE WITH THAT. 
          I DO WANNA LET THIS GENTLEMAN TALK MORE ABOUT YOUR, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT DPD. 
          AND YOU'D MENTIONED THERE'S AN INTEREST. 
          THEY'RE NOT QUITE, ANYWAY, I'LL JUST LET YOU ANSWER THAT. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO, SO WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC POLICY AGAINST, UM, ANY OFF-DUTY POLICE OFFICER JOINING OUR TEAM. 
          UH, WE ACTUALLY NETWORK DIRECTLY AS, AGAIN, MY PARTNER IS, UM, FIVE-YEAR VETERAN OF DPD. 
          AND SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE DIRECT COMMUNICATION WITH THE, UM, ACTUAL FIELD SERGEANT FOR THAT AREA. 
          SO IT'S NOT THAT WE, YOU KNOW, DON'T NECESSARILY COMMUNICATE OR WORK WITH THEM. 
          UH, WE DO COOPERATE WITH THEM IN DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          UM, WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANY ON OUR TEAM AT THIS TIME. 
          UH, WE SPOKE AT THE LAST, UH, HEARING AND SAID IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEEDED 
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TO LOOK INTO DOING, WE'VE ALREADY HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, THE FIELD SERGEANT. 
          WE JUST NEED TO PUT THAT IN, UH, INTO MOTION IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO. 
          SO IT IS NOT, UH, AGAINST OUR POLICY TO HAVE OFF-DUTY POLICE OFFICERS AS A SECURITY, A OWNER OR A SECURITY COMPANY. 
          HAVE YOU WORKED WITH ANY OTHER CLUBS IN THE PAST? I'M SORRY? HAVE YOU WORKED WITH ANY OTHER CLUBS IN THE PAST? UM, ME, MYSELF PERSONALLY, I HAVE NOT. 
          UH, AGAIN, I, I JUST RETIRED IN 2021, UH, AND CAME ON BOARD WITH, UM, CLUB VIVO AND KEVIN KELLY, UH, CONCEPTS BY ANY CHANCE, HAVE YOUR PARTNER, I'M SORRY, BY ANY CHANCE, HAVE YOUR PARTNER? YES, MY PARTNER HAS WORKED IN THE CLUBS. 
          UM, COULD YOU GIVE, GIVE US ANY INFORMATION WERE, AFTER THE REPORT OF THE SEXUAL ASSAULT, DID YOU ALL TAKE PROPER STEPS TO HELP THE VICTIM AND TO, UM, REPORT IT TO POLICE OFFICERS AND, AND BE FORTHCOMING? SO I'M NOT PRIVY, UH, TO THAT INFORMATION. 
          IT WAS BEFORE MY TIME, UH, WITH THE COMPANY. 
          UM, SO I COULDN'T, I COULDN'T SPEAK ON THAT A AGAIN, UH, IN REGARDS TO THAT INVESTIGATION. 
          OKAY. 
          DETECTIVE SLA. 
          SO OUTSIDE OF PRE PRE PERIOD WITH THE CHIL WITH, WITH THE KIDS PARTY, LET'S SET THAT ASIDE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UM, LET'S SET ASIDE THE, THE ACTUAL EVENT THAT HAPPENED WITH THE, UNDER A MINOR THAT WAS OFF YOUR PROPERTY. 
          HAVE THERE BEEN ANY VIOLENT, UM, EVENTS THAT, UH, THAT RESULTED IN SOMEONE BEING SHOT OR A VIOLENT CRIME OUTSIDE OF JUST THE NORMAL FIGHTS INSIDE THE CLUB? INSIDE OUR CLUB? WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY OF THOSE ISSUES, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, MA'AM. 
          AND YOUR PRIMARY PARKING THAT YOU ALL USE IS THE ONE THAT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, UM, KIND OF THAT SITS BETWEEN M AND PEARL, YOU SAY THE PRIMARY PARKING MM-HMM . 
          UH, AGAIN, THE PARKING LOT DOES NOT BELONG TO US. 
          WE ARE NOT, UM, IT, IT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE AUTHORIZE IF, IF PEOPLE ARE PARKED OVER THERE. 
          UM, AGAIN, IT, IT GOES OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEXAS, UH, UH, DPS REGULATIONS. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE USE, LIKE PEOPLE PARK, THE EVENTS, THE EVENTS, THE EVENTS, HOW DO YOU ALL STILL MONITOR THAT? BECAUSE THEY CAME FROM THE SO IF I LEAVE THE CLUB, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          AND THE CLUB DOESN'T HAVE PARKING, BUT THE PARKING KIND OF THAT, THAT IS USED FOR THE CLUB PRIMARILY IS THE PARKING THAT IS IN CLOSE. 
          UM, PROXIMITY. 
          HOW AS A SECURITY COMPANY YOU, THAT YOU ALL ADDRESS WHAT MIGHT BE GOING ON IN THE PARKING KNOWING THAT THOSE PATRONS CAME FROM THE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT YOURS, YOUR OWNERSHIP. 
          IT, IT, IT, IT'S A NOTION WHERE, AGAIN, WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT THERE AFTER HOUR, UH, AFTER CLOSING TIME, UM, WHERE WE'RE WATCHING THE PARKING LOT, ANY EVENT THAT SOMETHING IS TAKING PLACE, THAT'S WHERE HEY, THEY MAY GET A CALL FROM US THAT SAYS, HEY, THIS IS TAKING PLACE IN THE PARKING LOT OR, UH, SOMETHING TO THAT EXTENT. 
          UH, ANY EVENT THAT IT GETS SOMETHING SERIOUS AND THAT THEN, LIKE I SAID, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TECHNICALLY AUTHORIZED TO, UM, DO SOMETHING IN THAT PARKING. 
          AND THEN I GOT ONE LAST QUESTION. 
          SO BEING IN OUT OF THE CLUB BUSINESS SINCE I WAS ABOUT 16 YEARS OLD, UM, GENERALLY HE SPOKE ABOUT, I'M SORRY, HE SPOKE GENERALLY IT'S ABOUT AN HOUR AFTER THE CLUB CLOSED. 
          THE FIRST TRICKLE OUT IS ABOUT 1230 IN BETWEEN WHAT, 30 MINUTES AFTERWARDS AND THEN UP TO ABOUT AN HOUR IS WHEN IT, IT USUALLY IS CLEARED ALL THE WAY OUT, MAYBE MINUS FOR STRUGGLERS. 
          UM, HOW, HOW IS AFTER THE CLUB IN BETWEEN THAT TIME PERIOD, UM, THE MONITORING FOR THE NEXT HOUR, DO YOU ALL HAVE A NOTION OF, HEY, AFTER 30 MINUTES THEN WE KINDA ARE DONE WHEN MOST OF THE TIME IT'S, IT'S AN HOUR. 
          YOU HAVE THE FIRST BUNCH, YOU HAD THE FIRST HANGING ABOUT 15 MINUTES. 
          GOTCHA. 
          ABOUT 30 MINUTES MORE PULLING OUT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN ABOUT AN HOUR OR SO, HOUR, 15 MINUTES. 
          SO NORMALLY, NORMALLY BY AN HOUR EVERYBODY IS ROUGHLY GONE OUT OF THE AREA. 
          UM, OUR SECURITY STAFF AT VIVO IS SOMETIMES THERE LATER TO ENSURE THAT OUR STAFF ARE GETTING OUTTA THE BUILDING, UM, SAFELY AT DIFFERENT THINGS, GET INTO VEHICLES. 
          UM, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE LIKE TO TAKE CARE AND MAKE SURE, UH, HAPPENS. 
          SO THEY'RE, WE NORMALLY HAVE SOME SECURITY AROUND OUR ARMED GUARD THAT IS NORMALLY THERE, YOU KNOW, AT THE LATEST, UH, ALMOST SOMETIMES TILL FOUR IN THE MORNING, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT AGAIN, THE STAFF IS OUTTA THE BUILDING, CLEANING, ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE. 
          UM, BUT BY THAT TIME IT'S DEFINITELY DIED DOWN. 
          IN REGARDS TO, UH, THE, LIKE I SAY, OUTSIDE CIVILIANS WITHIN THE AREA. 
          I PROMISE IT'S THE LAST ONE. 
          AFTER THE TWO MAJOR INCIDENTS THAT WAS REPORTED TO US, WHAT ACTIONS DID YOU ALL TAKE TO, UH, PROVIDE BETTER SECURITY AS FAR AS YOUR FEMALE PATRONS? UM, AND ALSO, UM, INCIDENTS THAT, THAT WERE IN PROXIMITY TO YOU. 
          WHAT WAS, WHAT, WHAT AS A SECURITY TEAM DID YOU ALL PUT INTO PLACE AFTER REVIEWING THAT INFORMATION? SO AFTER THE TWO INCIDENT, AFTER THE SEXUAL ASSAULT, ASSAULT, SEXUAL ALLEGED SEXUAL ASSAULT, ALLEGED SEXUAL ASSAULT, WHAT, WHAT DID YOU ALL DO AS 
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A TEAM TO ENHANCE SECURITY AND ALSO, UM, AFTER THE YOUTH EVENT, WHAT DID YOU ALL, WHAT WAS THE, WHAT DID YOU ALL PUT IN PLACE? SO BASED OFF MEASURES, BEST PRACTICES, SO BEST, UH, BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, WHAT WAS INCREASED WAS OUR MANPOWER, UH, MANPOWER ON THE INSIDE AS FAR AS WHERE EXACTLY, UH, PLACEMENT OF OFFICERS, WE INCREASED THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS. 
          SO AS WE STATED, ANYTHING FROM 16 TO ALMOST 35, UH, OFFICERS ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING EXACTLY WHERE EVERYONE'S PLACED AND ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          UM, IN REGARDS TO THE, UH, SEXUAL ASSAULT ACT, UM, INCIDENT, UM, FOR THE SHOOTING, UH, AGAIN, THE AMOUNT OF OFFICERS THAT WE HAD ARMED ARMED OFFICERS OUTSIDE FOR AFTER HOURS FOR THE LONGER PERIOD OF TIME TO ENSURE, UH, THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON. 
          SO THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE SAFETY, UH, OF THE PATRONS COMING TO THE AREA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHERE DO THE PATRONS WHO ATTEND THIS CLUB PARK, I'M SORRY, WHERE DO THEY PARK SOME RIDE SHARE? UH, OTHER PARTS OF DOWNTOWN? THERE ARE TWO, THERE'S A SURFACE LOT ACROSS THE STREET AND A STRUCTURED PARKING AS WELL. 
          I, I BELIEVE PD SIX 12 SAYS IF YOU GENERATE MORE THAN, UH, TWO, 2000 SQUARE FEET OF NEW CONSTRUCTION, THEN YOU'RE REQUIRED FOR NEW, FOR, UH, ACQUIRED PARKING. 
          THIS HAS NO NEW FLOOR AREA, HASN'T, SO I, MY ASSUMPTION WOULD BE WHEREVER THEY CAN PARK IF THEY ARE EVEN DRIVING THEMSELVES. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I MEAN, YOU GUYS OPERATE THIS CLUB, YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR PEOPLE PARK, THEY PARK IN THE LOT ACROSS THE STREET AND THE STRUCTURED PARKING DOWN THE STREET, RIGHT? GENERALLY SOME OF 'EM, SOME OF 'EM DO. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND YOU EXCLUDED THOSE CRIME STATISTICS OUT OF YOUR NUMBERS, RIGHT? WE DID. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND YOU AND YOUR SECURITY TEAM DOESN'T TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR MONITORING THOSE PARTS, THE PARKING STRUCTURES, RIGHT? NO. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S A DIFFERENT PROPERTY ALTOGETHER? YES. 
          THEY'RE NOT MONITORED AT ALL, ARE THEY? NOT FROM OUR STAFF, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE SHOOTINGS, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR. 
          THE CHILD THAT WAS SHOT WAS A 14-YEAR-OLD CHILD. 
          YES. 
          SO YOU HAD A 14-YEAR-OLD CHILD AND OTHER CHILDREN AT THIS NIGHTCLUB FOR A BACK TO SCHOOL EVENT AT 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, CORRECT? RIGHT. 
          AND THEN THERE ARE ALSO COMPLAINTS FROM THE RESIDENTS OF THE APARTMENT BUILDING DOWN THE STREET ABOUT STRAY BULLETS BEING SHOT INTO THEIR APARTMENT BY PATRONS FROM YOUR CLUB. 
          THOSE ARE DIFFERENT INCIDENTS. 
          IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WERE TIED TOGETHER TO THAT SAME INCIDENT OF THE 14-YEAR-OLD. 
          IT'S NOT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE SEPARATE INCIDENCES. 
          NO, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WHAT IS THE LEGAL NAME OF THE SECURITY COMPANY? I'M SORRY, WHAT'S THE LEGAL NAME OF THE SECURITY COMPANY? LEGAL NAME OF THE SECURITY COMPANY? YES, SIR. 
          YEAH, BE RICH GUARDIAN PROTECT. 
          I'M SORRY, I CAN'T PUT THAT FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. 
          WE'VE GOT FOLKS ONLINE AND IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO HEAR. 
          IF YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING INTO THE MIC, THE LEGAL NAME OF THE SECURITY COMPANY IS GONNA BE RICH. 
          GUARDIAN PROTECTION IS ONE OF, UH, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY ON VIVO RIDGE. 
          GUARDIAN RIDGE GUARDIAN, THAT'S R-I-C-H-G-A-U-R-D-I-A-N PROTECTION LLC. 
          AND HAS THAT BEEN THE SECURITY COMPANY FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS? I WANNA SAY ALMOST THREE. 
          DON'T, PLEASE DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I WANNA SAY THREE YEARS. 
          IT'S ALMOST THREE, BUT HE'S PRETTY MUCH BEEN THERE SINCE, UH, THEY'VE GOTTEN THE BUILD SINCE THEY TOOK OVER THAT. 
          UM, AND ARE ALL OF THE SECURITY PROFESSIONALS, EMPLOYEES OF THAT COMPANY, I'M SORRY, ARE ALL THE SECURITY PROFESSIONALS EMPLOYEES OF THAT COMPANY? SO WE DON'T DO EMPLOYEES. 
          THEY ARE 10 99, BUT IF YOU WANNA SAY SUB CONTRACTORS OF THE COMPANY, UH, THEY'RE EITHER CONTRACTORS OF RIDGE GARDEN PROTECTION OR, UH, MY OWN COMPANY. 
          WHAT COMPANY DO YOU HAVE? MY COMPANY IS COM K NINE. 
          ENHANCED PROTECTION SERVICES. 
          UH, AS I STATED RECENTLY, WE HAVE, WE BECAME ONE AS WE JUST JOINT AS A JOINT COMPANY NOW K NINE, WHICH IS WILLIAMS COUNCIL. 
          K NINE WHAT? I'M SORRY. 
          COM COMM K NINE. 
          ENHANCED PROTECTION SERVICES. 
          LLC. 
          IN WHICH HERE RECENTLY WE ARE NOW 
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WILLIAMS COUNCIL SECURITY GROUP, INCORPORATED. 
          SAY THE LAST ONE AGAIN. 
          WILLIAMS COUNSEL. 
          HOW DO YOU SPELL COUNSEL? C-O-U-N-C-I-L. 
          SECURITY GROUP INCORPORATED. 
          SO DID THE TWO SECURITY COMPANIES MERGE OR WHAT HAPPENED? SO WHAT WE DID IS WE HAVE A JOINT CORRECT. 
          BASICALLY THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE. 
          AND ARE ALL THREE OF THOSE ENTITIES LICENSED WITH THE STATE? SO CURRENTLY, THAT'S WHY I SAY CURRENTLY THE, UH, THE, THE INCORPORATION JUST RECENTLY TAKE PLACE, TOOK PLACE, UM, GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR LICENSE, BUT THE OTHER TWO ARE BOTH LICENSED WITH THE STATE, WHICH IS MY COMPANY AS WELL AS HIS COMPANY ARE BOTH LICENSED WITH THE STATE. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, PRIOR TO THIS SECURITY FIRM COMING ON BOARD, HICKMAN'S HICKMAN SECURITIES WAS, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR SECURITY UP TILL 2022. 
          I THINK THAT YOU WERE ASKING KIND OF THE TENURE. 
          SO THE GENERAL MANAGER SAYS THAT THERE WAS A DIFFERENT FIRM CHANGED OVER MID 22. 
          DURING 22. 
          IT WAS HICKMAN, WAS IT ASSOCIATES OR JUST HICKMAN? HICKMAN SECURITY. 
          HICKMAN SECURITY PRIOR TO, UH, THESE GENTLEMEN WORKING SECURITY DETAIL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND HOW MANY SECURITY PROFESSIONALS WORK THERE? HOW MANY? SECURITY MM-HMM . 
          CURRENTLY? YES. 
          UH, LIKE WE SAY ON A, ON A GIVEN, IT COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM 16 TO 35 OFFICERS THERE, DEPENDING ON THE NIGHT ON THAT'S ON A GIVEN. 
          NOW, AFTER THE LAST CPC HEARING, THE CLUB CONTINUED TO OPERATE, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          EXCUSE WHY IS THAT? YES, COMMISSIONER. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO PRIOR TO THE TIME BETWEEN COUNCIL AND PLAN COMMISSION, THEY DID CONTINUE TO OPERATE, UM, AFTER THE COUNCIL HEARING THEY, UH, CEASED OPERATIONS, DID THEY CEASE OPERATIONS BECAUSE CODE ENFORCEMENT OR SOMEONE REQUIRED THEM TO? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WAS THE IN INSTANCE AT ALL. 
          NO MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          WHY DID THEY CONTINUE TO OPERATE AFTER THIS FIRST CPC HEARING? I BELIEVE THAT WAS A ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS THAT COUNSEL AS TO WHY, UH, THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATIONS FROM STAFF SAYING, UH, PEOPLE WHO HAVE AN APPLICATION IN REVIEW HAVE THE RIGHT TO STAY OPEN WHILE IT'S IN REVIEW. 
          THERE WERE ACTUALLY THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT ANSWERS TO THAT ONE QUESTION THAT CAME FROM SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL NOT GETTING CLEAR DIRECTION, THEY JUST DECIDED TO CEASE OPERATION. 
          BUT NO, IT WAS NOT AS A REACTION TO CODE COMPLIANCE SAYING, HEY, YOU NEED TO CEASE OPERATIONS. 
          I THINK IT'S FROM THE CONVERSATIONS THEY SAW AT THE COUNCIL THAT THEY SHOULD JUST, SINCE THIS WAS REMANDED, LET'S JUST CEASE OPERATIONS UNTIL THIS IS RESOLVED. 
          AND THIS IS THE ONLY NIGHTCLUB WITHIN SEVERAL BLOCKS, CORRECT? IS THERE, WHAT'S, WHAT'S WITH THE GENERAL MANAGER WOULD KNOW BETTER THAN I AM WHO'S OPERATING WITHIN PROXIMITY THAN I WOULD WE'RE, WE'RE NOT CALLING CAFE MOMENTUM A NIGHTCLUB. 
          ARE WE? I'M, I'M SORRY. 
          WE'RE NOT CALLING CAFE MOMENTUM A NIGHTCLUB, ARE WE? NO MA'S. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S VARIOUS NIGHTCLUBS AND YOU SAID BLOCKS. 
          SO IF YOU GO DOWN THE STREET, DEEP EL HAS ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN, EIGHT DIFFERENT, UH, CLUBS DOWN THE STREET FROM US. 
          THEN THERE'S A NIGHTCLUB THAT'S CALLED THEIA, THAT'S RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM US, UH, THAT JUST OPENED UP. 
          IT USUALLY, IT USED TO BE KNOWN AS A DIFFERENT, UH, OPERATION. 
          I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE NAME OF IT, BUT IT'S CALLED SENYA NOW. 
          UM, WHAT ABOUT TOWNHOUSE? WHEN TOWNHOUSE IS CLOSE? EXCUSE BY CAN I'M ASKING HIM QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHAT'S TOWNHOUSE? IS IT ON ST. 
          PAUL? IRV. 
          IRV. 
          SO THAT'S LIKE HOW MANY BLOCKS AWAY? IRVS, TWO STREETS AWAY. 
          ONE STREET. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M SORRY, I'M HAVING TROUBLE HEARING YOU. 
          UM, THAT, THAT MICROPHONE'S JUST BEING SQUIRRELY TODAY. 
          UM, YOU CAN HEAR ME BETTER? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          LET HER KNOW WHAT WE JUST SAID. 
          THE OTHER ONE THAT SHE EXCLUDING DEEP EL, 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE FARTHER IN DISTANCE FROM WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          YOU SAID THERE WAS A NEW NIGHTCLUB THAT OPENED DOWN THE STREET? YEAH, IT'S CALLED XENIA NIGHTCLUB, BUT IT USED TO BE KNOWN AS SOMETHING ELSE. 
          I'M NOT EXACTLY THE NAME OF THAT, BUT IT, UH, SAME STREET HARWOOD. 
          IT'S ON HARWOOD ON HARWOOD STREET. 
          AND THEN NEXT GOING BACK TOWARDS NEXT TO THE PARK. 
          NEXT TO THE PARK I'M NOT REALLY GREAT WITH. 
          BUT IT JUST RECENTLY OPENED. 
          YEAH, WELL IT WAS OPERATING BEFORE ITS NAME, MESSENIA. 
          IT JUST WAS OPERATING UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME. 
          LIKE I SAID, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT NAME. 
          AND HOW FAR IS THAT FROM WHERE YOU ARE? THAT SPOT IS LITERALLY TAKING ALL OF OUR CLIENTS AS WE SPEAK. 
          WE CAN BY WEEKEND, NOT, NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW FAR SIR, 0.3 MILES, 0.2 MILES. 
          I CAN'T GIVE YOU AN EXACT. 
          IS IT HEADING TOWARDS DOWNTOWN CITY HALL OR IS IT HEADING BACK 
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THE OTHER WAY? IT'S NEXT TO THE PARK RIGHT ACROSS FROM US. 
          SO IT'S ACROSS THE STREET. 
          IT'S ON HARWOOD STREET RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE PARK. 
          AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TOWNHOUSE. 
          HOW, LET KNOW THAT. 
          I'D HAVE TO LOOK UP MATT. 
          I'M, I'M NOT ESTABLISHMENT TOWNHOUSE THAT'S ON. 
          IT'S EITHER TOWNHOUSE IS EITHER ON IRVY OR ST. 
          PAUL NEXT TO ACROSS THE STREET FROM, IT WAS THE PLAZA THE AMERICAS WHEN I REMEMBER IT WITH THE SKATING RINK. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S IN PROXIMITY AS WELL. 
          AND, AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, AS THE GM, I'M PRETTY MUCH THERE EVERY NIGHT. 
          KIND OF GOING BACK OVER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS YOU GUYS WERE ASKING IN TERMS OF THE PARKING LOT, WE DO SOMETIMES HAVE, UM, SECURITY THERE. 
          WHENEVER WE KNOW WE HAVE A LARGER EVENT, LIKE THEY MENTIONED, OUR VENUE IS FOUR TIMES THE SIZE OF MOST CLUBS THAT YOU GUYS SEE. 
          WE SEE MORE PEOPLE ON A FRIDAY NIGHT THAN MOST CLUBS SEE ON A SATURDAY, ON FRIDAY NIGHT, LIKE THEY SAID, WE AVERAGE 16, BUT IT GOES UP TO 1820 SECURITY GUARDS ON SUNDAY. 
          I MEAN ON SATURDAY OUR MINIMUM NUMBER IS ABOUT 22 SECURITY GUARDS BY THREE O'CLOCK. 
          IT'S STRAIGHT MANAGEMENT TEAM THERE. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          NOBODY ELSE IS THERE. 
          BY TWO 30 I HAVE MY HOSTESS OUT THE DOORS AND BY 2 45 I TRY TO HAVE MY BOTTLE GRILLS AND MY BARTENDERS OUT THE DOORS. 
          THAT WAY THEY CAN GET HOME SAFELY. 
          AND LIKE THE SECURITY GUY SAID, WE DO HAVE ARMED GUARDS THAT STAY WITH THE MANAGEMENT TEAM TILL WE'RE COMPLETELY CLOSED OUT. 
          SOMETIMES OUR, OUR CASH PROCESS DOES TAKE US TILL ABOUT FOUR IN THE MORNING, BUT NO STAFF IS THERE AND CERTAINLY NO, NO CUSTOMERS ARE AROUND PAST TWO 15. 
          OKAY. 
          WE WERE TALKING A MOMENT AGO ABOUT, UM, A SEXUAL ASSAULT THAT HAPPENED THERE. 
          YES. 
          UM, IDPD AND, AND, AND I'M NOT SURE WHY THIS IS, THE STATISTICS I GOT FROM DPD APPEAR TO BE DIFFERENT THAN THE ONES YOU GAVE ME. 
          NOW, IN FAIRNESS, SINCE YOU GAVE THEM TO ME AT THE BEGINNING OF THE HEARING, I REALLY HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO STUDY 'EM BECAUSE I HAVE A HARD TIME LISTENING TO SPEAKERS AND STUDYING MATERIAL. 
          SO IN THE FUTURE, MR. MARTINEZ, IF YOU WANT ME TO READ STUFF, YOU HAVE TO GIVE IT TO ME BEFORE THE HEARING STARTS. 
          AND I, AND I THINK THAT, SORRY, A, YOU'VE BEEN AROUND THE BLOCK LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT AND BI THINK EVERYBODY AT THIS HORSESHOE WOULD APPRECIATE GETTING MATERIALS BEFORE THE START OF A HEARING. 
          IT'S REALLY HARD FOR US TO, IN FAIRNESS, LISTEN TO SPEAKERS AND READ MATERIALS AT THE SAME TIME. 
          COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. 
          COMMISSIONER AND I, I DO WANNA SAY THAT I THINK SOME OF THE DATA THAT YOU GOT TODAY FROM STAFF, I CAN'T HEAR YOU. 
          SORRY. 
          YES, COMMISSIONER, I DO UNDERSTAND AND I DO, I DO WANNA SAY I BELIEVE SOME OF THE STATISTICS YOU GOT BROKEN OUT DIFFERENTLY FROM STAFF IS THE SAME DATA AND INFORMATION THAT WE GOT AS WELL THAT'S PRESENTED. 
          IT'S JUST WE SORTED IT DIFFERENTLY, OBVIOUSLY. 
          BUT IT, IT'S, I THINK ALL GOES BACK TO AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST THAT THE PROPRIETOR MADE AFTER YOUR PLAN COMMISSION HEARING IN SEPTEMBER STRAIGHT TO DDPD. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, YOU KNOW, SINCE I WAS ASKED, UH, MONDAY TO HELP OUT ON THIS CASE, THE, THE PORTAL AT D UH, FOR POLICE REPORTS ON THE WEBSITE WHERE YOU COULD TYPE IN AN ADDRESS AND GIVE A DATE OF A, UH, A RANGE OF, GIVE ME EVERY CALL THAT YOU'VE, THAT'S BEEN DOWN. 
          SO WE'VE HAD TO GO THROUGH OTHER SOURCES, BUT THE PROPERTY OWNER ACTUALLY GOT A, THE FOUR YEAR DATA SET FROM AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST. 
          SO I BELIEVE SOME OF THAT DATA IS THE SAME YEARS MAY HAVE, UH, INCIDENCES AFTER SEPTEMBER IF THERE'S ANY. 
          SO I DON'T WANNA GIVE THE ASSUMPTION THAT OUR DATA IS DIFFERENT FROM THE IT ALL OF THAT LOOKS TO BE FROM A SIMILAR OPEN RECORDS REQUEST THAT THEY HAD DONE, UH, COLLECTING THAT DATA. 
          I JUST THINK SOME OF THE STUFF YOU GOT FROM STAFF TODAY MAY NOT GO AS BACK AS FAR THAT, UH, I ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THE COUNCILMAN'S OFFICE AND HAD A CONVERSATION WITH DPD, SO I I PROBABLY JUST HAVE MORE DATA THAN YOU DO OR DIFFERENT DATA. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          MORE RECENT. 
          SO I MEAN, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT DATA THAT SAYS THERE'S BEEN TWO SEXUAL ASSAULTS, WELL TWO RAPES LAST YEAR AND TWO RAPES THIS YEAR AT THIS LOCATION. 
          AND THAT DIFFERS FROM THE INFORMATION YOU'VE PROVIDED. 
          IS THAT FROM THE STAFF REPORT STAFF THAT YOU GOT TODAY OR IS IT IN THIS PACKET? IT'S, FROM THE INFORMATION I GOT FROM DPD, WE GOT THE SAME FROM THE COUNCIL'S OFFICE. 
          WE MADE THE SAME REQUEST FROM D-P-D-I-I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE AS BUT I, I WILL, I I DO, I THINK EVERYONE ACKNOWLEDGES THE ONE THAT WAS WRITTEN UP BY THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, YOU HEARD FROM SECURITY DETAIL HOW THEY'VE REPOSITIONED STAFF AND ADDED STAFF, BUT THERE'S ALSO, I'VE BEEN REMINDED OF THE INSTALLATION OF CAMERAS TO ALSO CLEAR UP ANY, UH, DEAD SPOTS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN. 
          UH, SO BESIDES SECURITY, PHYSICAL SECURITY DETAILS, THERE'S ALSO BEEN AN ENHANCEMENT ON, UH, VIDEO SURVEILLANCE INSIDE, INSIDE THE ESTABLISHMENT AS WELL. 
          AND I ALSO BELIEVE YOU GOT CAMERAS OUTSIDE TOO. 
          CAMERAS OUTSIDE, YES. 
          OUTSIDE IN BATHROOM ATTENDANCE AND BATHROOMS. AND NOW THEY'RE IN THE BATHROOMS TOO. 
          WELL, I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT, ARE YOU AWARE OF FOUR RAPES IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS? NO MA'AM. 
          JUST THE ONE THAT'S 
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ON THE RECORD THAT WE, THAT WE EXPLAINED HERE. 
          JUST, ARE YOU AWARE OF AN ALLEGATION OF A SEXUAL ASSAULT WITH AN OBJECT THIS YEAR? NO, MA'AM. 
          ARE YOU AWARE OF 10 AGGRAVATED ASSAULTS AT THIS LOCATION IN THE LAST TWO YEARS? NO MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
           FOR THIS LOCATION, SO WE'VE ALL HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN EITHER CI CIRCULATED, GIVEN TO US, WHETHER IT'S BEEN COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE, THE PROPERTY CRIME STATISTICS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. 
          HOWEVER, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME NOW THAT WE'RE HERE AT A CPC COMMISSION THAT WE'RE BEING AMBUSHED BY INFORMATION THAT HASN'T BEEN SHARED TO US. 
          AND THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF OUR REMAND. 
          SO HAS, HAS ANYBODY ELSE SEEN ALL OF THESE ALLEGATIONS? BECAUSE THAT WHAT THEY ARE AT THIS POINT, WE'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER INFORMATION WE'VE SPOKEN TO WHAT WE DO KNOW ABOUT, BUT THIS IS THE SECOND TIME NOW THAT WE'RE BEING AMBUSHED BY INFORMATION THAT'S NEVER BEEN PROVIDED TO US. 
          AND WE CONSISTENTLY KEEP SAYING, WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THESE THINGS. 
          YOU'VE GOT THE SAME DATA FROM, WE'VE GOTTEN, WE'VE REQUESTED FORMALLY AND GOTTEN THE SAME INFORMATION FROM DPD THAT WE'VE PUT IN ORDER AND PROVIDED FOR ALL OF YOU TODAY. 
          SO WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM. 
          WHEN DID ANY OF THESE THINGS HAPPEN? WHAT DATES? YEAH, I WHERE ARE THE RECORDS? HOLD ON. 
          JUST TAKE PLACE. 
          THE INCIDENCES, THE FOUR THAT YOU, I, MR. MARTINEZ, I'M SORRY. 
          THE FOUR THAT YOU DESCRIBED, WHAT, WHAT IS IT WITH, WHAT WAS IN INTRODUCED AT THE BRIEFING TODAY? OR IS IT A DIFFERENT LIST? 'CAUSE I ULTIMATELY, I I I, I WANNA BE CLEAR, NO ONE'S PULLING DATA FROM ANY OTHER SOURCE THAN THE, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          THAT'S WHERE THIS FORMAL REQUEST WAS FOR OPEN RECORDS. 
          WELL, I'M CERTAINLY NOT, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT THERE IS. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE WANT A LEVEL UNDERSTANDING WHERE'S THE DATA COMING FROM AND IF WE'VE MADE A REQUEST FOR OPEN RECORDS AND WE DON'T SEE IT ON OUR DATA, I'M, I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT DAY TIME, WHAT THE INCIDENCES THAT YOU'VE JUST REFERENCED. 
          WHEN, WHEN DID THOSE OCCUR? 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT SHOWING UP HERE. 
          WELL, I, I HAVE IT IN A SUMMARY FORM, SO I I GUESS I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND YEAH, SO IT'S, IT'S YEAR TO DAY, IT'S LIKE IN THE CHART. 
          YEAH, THAT'S FAIR. 
          THAT THAT'S FAIR. 
          I I JUST, I THINK WE'RE BOTH LOOKING AT, WE'VE, WE'VE BOTH MADE A REQUEST FROM THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT TO GIVE US INFORMATION ABOUT THIS VENUE. 
          I THINK THE, THE APPLICANT DID A DEEPER DIVE TO GO BACK FOUR YEARS. 
          I DON'T KNOW THE THE TIMELINE FOR THAT, BUT WE'VE ASKED FOR THE SAME THING AND WE DON'T SEE IT. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND, I'VE SEEN THE CHARTS BEFORE, HOW YOU CAN GET THOSE PREPARED. 
          I, WE ARE, WE KNOW OF THE ONE, YES. 
          THIS IS JUST MY OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT. 
          YES. 
          SO I MEAN, I, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY COUNSEL'S GETTING UPSET, BUT THIS IS MY OPPORTUNITY TO ASK FAIR QUESTIONS OF THE, OF THE APPLICANT. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          AND THERE'S DEFINITELY A, I HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO STUDY WHAT YOU GAVE ME, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO, ON THE FLY, FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND WHAT'S ACCURATE AND WHAT'S NOT ACCURATE. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          I I, THAT'S IT. 
          THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH. 
          NOT TRYING TO AMBUSH ANYBODY. 
          NO, I, I I THINK WE'RE ALL JUST TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF THE DATA, WHICH WAS ALSO AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL, THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS, WHAT IS THIS DA, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? WHEN DID, WHERE DID IT, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I THINK WE'RE ALL JUST TRYING TO GET TO THAT SAME SPOT OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY OCCURRED AT THIS VENUE AND THEN WHAT'S, WHAT'S, MAY HAP HAVE HAPPENED BUT GOT PINNED TO THIS ESTABLISHMENT TOO. 
          COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR LEVEL, SET THIS INFORMATION HERE. 
          IS YOURS AS WELL AS THIS INFORMATION, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. 
          FROM THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          THIS INFORMATION IS JUST, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS RAW DATA OF FOUR YEAR OPEN RECORDS REQUEST FROM D FROM GOING STRAIGHT TO DDPD, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. 
          AND IN THIS INFORMATION YOU HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, THE ITEMS THAT YOU, YOU ARE SAYING ACTUALLY OCCURRED OR COULD POSSIBLY HAVE OCCURRED. 
          LET ME BE A LITTLE MORE LEGAL. 
          COULD, COULD POSSIBLY HAVE OCCURRED AT THE ESTABLISHMENT CLUB VIVO 1930 PACIFIC FROM THE TIMES THAT YOU, THE ONLY TIMES THAT YOU ARE OPEN OPPOSED TO THESE OTHER, 
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UM, ACTIVITIES OR CALLS FROM TIMES THAT YOU WERE CLOSED OR THAT YOUR PATRONS HAD HAD LEFT THE FACILITY. 
          CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. 
          THERE MAY BE SOME INCIDENCES HERE AS WELL WHERE IT, SOMETHING HAPPENED, BUT IF WE WENT THROUGH TO FIND OUT WHAT, WHAT WAS THE RESULT, AND YOU'LL NOTICE IT'S THE SECOND COLUMN TO THE RIGHT WHERE THERE WAS NO POLICE ACTION. 
          THERE WAS NO POLICE REPORT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO IT SHOWS THAT COLUMN SAYS DISPOSITION. 
          THAT'S THE DISPOSITION. 
          THAT'S CORRECT, MA'AM. 
          COLUMN AND THE TIME COLUMN. 
          SO THAT YES, MA'AM. 
          SEE, SO A CALL OCCURRED, A CALL WAS GENERATED AND KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE THERE WAS A KIDNAPPING AND PROGRESS CALL ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON. 
          AND IF YOU FOLLOW ALONG ON THAT LINE AND YOU GO TO THE WHAT HAPPENED, YOU'LL SEE NO POLICE REPORT FILED. 
          SO YES, THIS DATA WAS MADE AT A REQUEST OF OPEN RECORDS FROM DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          WE, WE ASKED TO GO BACK FOR FOUR YEARS, WHICH MATCHES WHEN THIS OPERATOR TOOK OVER AND THE PREVIOUS OPERATOR WAS EVICTED TO KIND OF GIVE A TIMELINE OF WHAT IS, WHAT'S THE HISTORY OF THIS SPECIFIC TENANT OPERATOR. 
          AND THAT MATCHES WITH THE DATA THAT YOU HAVE THERE IN ADDITION TO SOME ADD, UH, OTHER INFORMATION. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          AND THIS INFORMATION IN HERE JUST SUMMARIZES THIS DATA HERE AS WELL AS IT TAKES IT, IT IT DOES A COMPARISON OF, OF OTHER LOCATIONS WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          TO GIVE BETTER CONTEXT OF AS ALL THE CRIME HAPPENING IN THIS ONE BLOCK. 
          WHAT ELSE IS HAPPENING IN DOWNTOWN? SO THAT'S WHY WE TOOK DIFFERENT, UH, VENUES, WEST END CITY HALL, UH, ACROSS THE STREET AT THE PARK, UH, THE SEVEN 11 AT ST. 
          PAUL'S STATION. 
          THE HOTEL AROUND THE BLOCK. 
          YES. 
          SO NOW YOU GUYS WOULD BE SURPRISED, I'VE BEEN IN CLUBS IN THE LAST 10 YEARS AND I'VE SHUT DOWN A COUPLE OF TWO. 
          COMMISSIONER YOU'RE ENTITLED. 
          UM, ARE CAN, ARE YOU AWARE THAT FROM THE CLUBS THAT I'VE BEEN IN, YOU GUYS ARE, YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT OF SECURITY. 
          I I'M NOT ACCUSTOMED TO SEEING THAT MANY. 
          IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU GUYS ARE HEAVY, HEAVY LADEN WITH SECURITY AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION? SO MY, TAKE OUR CLIENTELE FRIDAYS, WE HAVE 600 PEOPLE SATURDAY, WE HAVE LARGE VENUE, WE PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT AREAS. 
          SO, SO PLEASE UNDERSTAND THE ESTABLISHMENT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT 800 SQUARE FEET. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT A SMALL CLUB TO HAVE PATRONS FEEL COMFORTABLE TO AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT IS SAFE. 
          I BELIEVE THE MANAGEMENT UNDERSTANDS FOR PE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WE CAN HAVE IN THIS SPACE, WE CAN'T DO IT SAFELY WITH THREE SECURITY GUARDS. 
          I THINK, UH, THAT'S WHY YOU, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE WE'VE GOT AT LEAST 16 ON STAFF. 
          I I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR FOR SOMEBODY WHO SEEKS EMPLOYMENT AT ANY VENUE TO NOT ALSO FEEL SAFE IN ADDITION TO THE SAFETY OF THE PATRONS WHO CHOOSE TO PATRONIZE THIS ESTABLISHMENT. 
          SO YOU DO SEE A LOT OF SECURITY COMPARED TO SCALE OF OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS. 
          I BELIEVE THAT'S BECAUSE WE KNOW WE ARE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE AND IF WE WANT TO DO THIS RIGHT, I BELIEVE YOU HEARD THIS GENTLEMAN TALK ABOUT THAT, HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE IT'S DONE THE RIGHT WAY? YOU NOT, YOU DON'T DO IT WITH SEVEN OR EIGHT PEOPLE WITH SECURITY. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE FEMALE SECURITY STAFF. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE ATTENDANCE NEAR OR IN THE BATHROOMS AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS THAT COMFORT LEVEL, NOT JUST FOR THE PATRONS, BUT ALSO FOR THE STAFF AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF THE, THE YOUNG MAN FROM UM, DALLAS BLACK CHAMBER? YES. 
          I'M SORRY, I FORGOT YOUR NAME. 
          Z IS BRIT, THE VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE DALLAS BLACK CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. 
          UH, UM, YOU SAID THAT I'M, I'M GONNA CHANGE TOPICS, LIGHTEN IT UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT YOU SAID THAT, UM, YOU, THAT YOU HAVE HAD INTERACTION WITH, UH, THIS PROPRIETARY AT THIS LO UH, FOR THIS LOCATION AND HE CAME IN AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DID WAS ASK WHAT PROCESSES THEY NEEDED TO DO IN ORDER TO DO IT CORRECTLY. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? 
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SO MY STATEMENT IS THAT EVERY CONVERSATION I'VE HAD WHEN IT COMES TO THE KELLY'S AND UM, WITH VIVO AND ALSO THE OTHER ESTABLISHMENT THAT THEY HAVE IS THEY ALWAYS WANNA KNOW IF THEY'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING. 
          WHETHER IT COMES TO COMPLIANCE, WHETHER IT BE WITH THE AGENCIES THAT THEY NEED TO WORK WITH, UM, WHETHER IT BE THE CONTRACTORS THAT THEY NEED TO WORK WITH. 
          THE QUESTION IS ALWAYS, WE, THEIR POSITION HAS ALWAYS BEEN HOW DO WE GO ABOUT THIS THE RIGHT WAY? UM, I HAVE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS, UM, PARTICULAR, UH, SCENARIO. 
          AND THE QUESTION IS ALWAYS HOW DO WE DO THIS THE RIGHT WAY? UM, SO, UM, I I, SO YOU HAVE AS A DALLAS BLACK CHAMBER, YOU WORK SPECIFICALLY WITH, UH, BLACK COMPANIES THAT, THAT WANT TO COME IN AND, AND USE THEIR SYNERGIES IN ORDER TO DO THE BEST THING THAT THEY CAN FOR THEIR BUSINESS. 
          IS THAT NOT CORRECT? UM, DO THE BEST THING FOR THE COMMUNITY OVERALL BECAUSE THEY ENGAGED WITH A LOT OF OUR PARTNERS AND UM, AND LIKE I MENTIONED WHEN I WAS SERVING AT THE REGIONAL BLACK CONTRACT ASSOCIATION, THEY ARE INTENTIONAL IN HOW TO GO ABOUT, UM, CHOOSING THEIR, UM, VENDORS THAT THEY WORK WITH. 
          THEY'RE VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT THE, UM, COMMUNITY BASED ORGANIZATIONS THAT THEY SUPPORT. 
          UM, AND, AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'VE SPEAK, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'VE NOTICED OVER THE YEARS THAT I'VE SEEN THEM AND WATCHED THEM AND EVEN WATCHING IN THIS PROCESS. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S, THAT ECHOES IN WHAT THE STAFF IS SAYING RIGHT NOW AND EVEN WHAT, UM, UM, THE GENTLEMAN WHO JUST SPOKE WAS TALKING ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT PROCESS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING AND, UH, OPERATING ABOVE BOARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, MR. MARTINEZ, HOW HAS IT TRANSPIRED THAT THIS CLUB HAS BEEN OPERATING WITHOUT A VALID SPECIFIC USE PERMIT SINCE APRIL OF 2023? I DON'T HAVE A REALLY GOOD ANSWER FOR THAT. 
          UM, I WILL SAY THIS, I THINK EVERYONE HERE ON THIS SIDE OF THE HORSESHOE AND MYSELF INCLUDED, UNDERSTAND THE, THE LAND USE AND THE ZONING ASPECTS AND REQUIREMENTS THAT ONE MUST HAVE, UH, IN SEEKING SUP UH, THAT'S NOT A GIVEN FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE RULES ARE ONCE YOU MAKE AN APPLICATION. 
          UM, I HAVE, I I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER AS TO WHY IT WAS OPERATING WHILE IT WAS IN REVIEW. 
          I BELIEVE THE, WELL IT EXPIRED IN APRIL OF 2023 AND AN APPLICATION TO, UH, REAPPLY OR TO RENEW WASN'T SUBMITTED UNTIL JUNE OF 2024. 
          SO, YES MA'AM. 
          A CONSIDERABLE PERIOD OF TIME, I'M, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO WHAT I OBSERVED AT THE COUNCIL AT THAT TE AND THE TESTIMONY THAT WAS GIVEN THERE. 
          SO PREVIOUS TENANT WAS EVICTED IN 2021, TOOK OVER OPERATIONS IN 2020. 
          AN SUP WAS ISSUED FOR A THREE YEAR TIME PERIOD. 
          SO THEY WERE WITHIN THAT CYCLE OF AN SUP. 
          THEY CAME ON FOR DANCE HALL LICENSE RENEWALS IN APRIL OR MAY OF EACH YEAR. 
          AND SO CYCLE THROUGH 21, CYCLE THROUGH 22 IN APRIL, WHERE DPD SAYS, YOU HAVE AN ACT, YOU HAVE AN SUP ON FILE, HERE'S YOUR DANCEHALL LICENSE FOR ANOTHER, FOR ANOTHER YEAR IN 2023, THEY MADE THEIR APPLICATION FOR A DANCE HALL LICENSE FOR RENEWAL SUBMITTED IN APRIL. 
          THE RESPONSE COMES BACK IN JUNE JULY THAT YOUR, YOUR SUP IS EXPIRED. 
          WAIT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO NOW YOU HAVE THIS INTERACTION OF HOW, HOW DO WE, WHAT IS IT THAT WE NEED TO DO TO, TO GET AN SUP? AND IT MAY ACTUALLY, IT MAY BE THAT THAT DANCEHALL LICENSE IN 23 WAS ISSUED BECAUSE THE SUP WAS THREE YEARS. 
          THAT THAT MAY HAVE STILL HAD SOME TIME ON THE CLOCK FOR THAT SUP IN 23. 
          AND SO THEN YOU CYCLE TO 24 APRIL, WHERE THE SUP EXPIRED IN 23, THEY SUBMIT FOR DANCEHALL LICENSE IN THE SPRING OF 24 THAT THEY'RE NOW, WAIT, HEY, YOU NOW NEED TO GO GET A, IT'S COME TO OUR ATTENTION. 
          YOUR SUP EXPIRED AT THE TESTIMONY THAT WAS GIVEN AT COUNCIL. 
          THAT'S HOW THIS DANCE STARTED TO COME IN WITH THIS APPLICATION. 
          AND I BELIEVE IT MAY HAVE COME IN AS FOR RENEWAL. 
          AND THEN THE CONVERSATION WAS, WELL, THAT ONE ACTUALLY EXPIRED, SO YOU NEED TO COME IN FOR A NEW ONE. 
          BUT I BELIEVE THAT IS THE, THE TIMELINE AS TO WHY FOLKS WERE STILL OPERATING AND THEN AN APPLICATION WAS MADE IS BECOMES THEIR ATTENTION ON THE DANCE HALL LICENSE THAT COMES UP FOR RENEWAL IN THE SPRING. 
          ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT SUP, THE CONDITIONS HERE SAY THE SPECIFIC USE PERMITS FOR A ALCOHOL BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT LIMITED TO A BAR, LOUNGE OR TAVERN, AND A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INDOOR LIMITED TO A DANCE HALL. 
          BUT FROM WHAT I'VE, UM, LISTENED TO TODAY, IT ALSO SOUNDS AS IF IT IS FUNCTIONING AS A LIVE MUSIC VENUE, BRINGING IN BANDS AND HAVING CONCERTS. 
          SO IS A SEPARATE SUP REQUIRED FOR THAT ALSO, COMMISSIONER? I I DO, I I, I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME PDS WHERE A LIVE MUSIC VENUE IS A SEPARATE USE, PARTICULARLY IN DE BEUM. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE IN SIX 19, 
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IT'S JUST COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE, IF THAT IS A SEPARATE USE, BUT IN SIX 19, BUT IF IT IS, THEN WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY AMEND OUR APPLICATION TO CAPTURE THAT. 
          UH, I THINK IT, IF YOU ARE ASKING A, AN OPERATOR TO COME IN FOR AN SUP THAT THEY HADN'T APPLIED FOR ORIGINALLY, BUT THE PREVIOUS TENANT DID, AND IT'S JUST THE SAME PAPERWORK TO DO SO. 
          BUT IF WE NEED TO AMEND THAT ON OUR APPLICATION, I'M JUST NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE LIVE MUSIC VENUE IN PD SIX 19 LIKE IT IS IN DEEP EL, WHICH IS A SEPARATE USE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, I'M THINKING IT PERHAPS DOES, BUT THAT COULD BE CONFIRMED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. 
          AND THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          I'VE HAD A SIMILAR QUESTION TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          SO I PULLED PD SIX 19, YOU ARE CORRECT. 
          DEVELOP SEPARATE PD SEPARATE CONDITIONS. 
          UM, IT SIMPLY STATES THAT THE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE USE REQUIRES AN SUP WHEN YOU GO BACK TO BASE CODE. 
          I DON'T FIND LIVE MUSIC SPECIFICALLY LISTED WITHIN THAT USE, WHICH WOULD LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE THE SUP. 
          BUT AGAIN, THAT MAY BE A QUESTION FOR STAFF TO CONFIRM. 
          YEAH, I I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT. 
          I, THE ONLY, THE ONLY PD I'M AWARE OF WHERE IT'S A SEPARATE MAIN USE REQUIRING AN SUP IS IN DEEP EL. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT'S HOW THEY WANTED TO DISTINGUISH SOME OF THE ESTABLISHMENTS IN DEEP EL THAT LIKE TREES, WHICH WAS ALWAYS KNOWN FOR HAVING LIVE MUSIC AS OPPOSED TO A VENUE THAT HAD A DJ. 
          UH, BUT I, I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT IN SIX 19, IT'S NOT A SEPARATE USE, IT JUST FALLS INTO COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE. 
          WELL, AND I THINK WHERE THE CLARIFICATION IS, SINCE THIS ONE IS SPECIFICALLY LISTED AS A DANCE HALL, THE QUESTION IS DOES THE ADDITIONAL LIVE MUSIC VENUE NEED TO BE, AND AGAIN, I'LL DEFER TO YOU TO WORK WITH STAFF TO CONFIRM IF THERE NEEDS TO BE AN AMENDED APPLICATION COMMISSIONER, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE LAND USE PERSPECTIVE THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS IS TRYING TO REGULATE IS THE DANCE ITSELF. 
          THE DANCING. 
          SO WHETHER IT'S A DJ, IT'S LIVE MUSIC, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A DANCE FLOOR AND WE CHARGE A COVER THAT FALLS IN THE CATEGORIES OF COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE. 
          SO THANK YOU MR. MARTINEZ. 
          YES. 
          I JUMP IN THERE REAL QUICK, UH, AHEAD OF YOU ON THE SECOND ROUND. 
          UH, MR. MARTINEZ. 
          SO, SO WE BEGAN, UH, BY ME ASKING YOU TO PUT THIS INTO CONTEXT YES, SIR. 
          WHICH YOU DID, BUT ONLY WITHIN THE SURROUNDING AREAS AND NOT WITH SIMILAR PROPERTIES AND SIMILAR VENUES. 
          AND I LOOKED AHEAD HERE AT THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU SENT US. 
          AND, UH, BEFORE YOU GO THROUGH IT, UH, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, WE, WE OPERATE KIND OF ON A, ON A GOOD FAITH HERE ON THIS SIDE OF THE HORSESHOE, RIGHT. 
          THAT WE, WE RECEIVE INFORMATION FROM APPLICANTS ALL THE TIME. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS THAT YOU USE TO PRODUCE THIS. 
          I DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, THE ABILITY UP HERE TO COMPARE YOUR SPREADSHEET VERSUS WHAT STAFF AND WHAT I ASKED STAFF TO DISTRIBUTE YESTERDAY. 
          UH, SO WE, WE OPERATE ON A GOOD FAITH EFFORT HERE THAT WE'RE USING THE SAME INFORMATION. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND SO WHEN I, YOU KNOW, I LOOK THROUGH HERE AND I LOOK HOW YOU COMPARE YOUR, UH, THIS VENUE TO OTHERS, AND I'M, I SEE THE CONCLUSION, RIGHT. 
          YOU HAVE THE BIG RED FLAGS HERE. 
          UM, SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, YOU, YOU USED A SPECIFIC FILTER HERE FOR THE NUMBERS THAT WE DISCUSSED BEFORE WHERE YOU DIDN'T INCLUDE THE, THE OCCURRENCES OR THERE WAS NO POLICE, UH, REPORT FILED. 
          IS THAT ALSO THE CASE WHEN YOU COMPARED YOUR, YOUR PEERS AND THE REST OF THE ANALYSIS HERE, SO WITH THE PEERS, WHICH YOU SEE IS, IS THIS, UH, CHART THAT GOES LEFT TO RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE DO NOT INCLUDE THE MOTOR VEHICLE OR YOU, UH, BREAKING INTO MOTOR VEHICLES. 
          WE TRIED TO KEEP THE DATA SETS COMPARABLE. 
          THIS ALSO WAS FROM OUR OPEN RECORDS REQUEST WITH DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THOSE ADDRESSES FOR CLUB 5:00 AM AND ALL THOSE OTHER VENUES. 
          SO IN TRYING TO KEEP THE COMPARISONS OUTSIDE OF MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT AND BREAK-INS, YES. 
          AND I BELIEVE WE SHOW THAT ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE OF WHAT, WHAT'S BEEN ACTUALLY CALCULATED BASED ON THE DESCRIPTION AND THE POLICE REPORTS. 
          UH, BUT I'M NOT SEEING ANY REFERENCES TO BURGLARY MOTOR VEHICLES AND UNLAWFUL USE OF A MOTOR VEHICLE THAT THESE ARE ALL TOWARDS, UM, THE, THE ASSAULTS AND DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF ASSAULTS THAT OCCUR, UH, AND, AND HOW THEY'RE BROKEN OUT. 
          SOME OF THE ESTABLISHMENTS, I'LL POINT OUT ON THE LEFT END OF THAT GRAPH FROM A COMPARABILITY OF SIZE WILL PROBABLY IN THE SAME BALLPARK LIKE FAR WEST AND ESCAPADE, THOSE ARE VERY LARGE VENUES. 
          UM, SOME AS YOU MOVE, UH, TOWARDS THE RIGHT, UH, THEY STILL HAVE THIS COMPONENT OF DANCING, BUT THEY MAY NOT BE AS BIG JUST TO AGAIN, GIVE A COMPARISON FROM WITHIN THE SUBSET 
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OF COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE VENUES, WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE? BUT THAT DATA SET IS ALSO FROM THAT SAME OPEN RECORDS, THAT REQUEST WITH DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT PULLING OUT ANYTHING RELATED TO A MOTOR VEHICLE, WHETHER IT'S AN UNLAWFUL USE OR BREAKING IN FOR ALL VENUES, NOT JUST YOURS. 
          CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          WE'RE WE'RE DOING APPLES TO APPLES. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT THAT WAS THE IDEA IS TO MATCH IT UP. 
          WHAT DO ASSAULTS LOOK LIKE IN OTHER VENUES AND COMPARED TO OUR SIZE, WHAT DO, WHAT WHAT IS HAPPENING AT SOME OF THESE OTHER VENUES? GRANTED, THEY'RE NOT IN THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT, BUT THERE'S STILL COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE. 
          TO GIVE BETTER CONTEXT, I, I TOOK THE DATA FROM THE CRIME SETS THAT WERE FROM THE OPEN RECORDS, REALLY LOOKING AT THE DOWNTOWN STANDARD THAT YOU GUYS TYPICALLY LOOK ABOUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT AN SUP, IS IT COMPATIBLE? WHAT ARE THE, WHAT'S THE STANDARDS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THIS ZONE, PULLING IT INTO A, AN ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF JUST WHAT IS HAP WHAT'S HAPPENING AT SOME OF THESE OTHER CLUBS. 
          I THINK THAT'S A FAIR REPRESENTATION TO SHARE, TRYING TO KEEP APPLES TO APPLES IN THAT CONVERSATION. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER. 
          UM, TWO THINGS. 
          UM, I KNOW IT WAS STATED THAT IT WAS MULTIPLE TIMES THAT SHOOTINGS HAPPENED, UM, THAT LANDED AT APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT WERE YOU AWARE THAT WE HAD A EMAIL THAT THE EMAIL THAT WE CAME THAT CAME THROUGH IN OPPOSITION SAID THAT THE SHOOTING, UM, THE, THE SHOOTINGS THAT WENT INTO THE BUILDING HAPPENED ON THE SAME DAY, UH, THE 14-YEAR-OLD BEING SHOT? THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTOOD THAT. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          THAT, THAT, THAT WAS ALL IN THE SAME INCIDENT. 
          UM, MAYBE LET ME READ, HOLD ON. 
          AND COMMISSIONER, IT'S ALSO BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION IN TALKING WITH THE GENERAL MANAGER. 
          BESIDES THE SECURITY DETAILS, WE ALSO HAVE METAL DETECTORS FOR ALL PATRONS TO GO THROUGH, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE REASON WHY YOU DON'T SEE FIREARMS DISCHARGED WITHIN THE VENUE. 
          UM, AND YOU HAVEN'T, THE PREVIOUS TENANT OPERATOR DID NOT EMPLOY METAL DETECTORS, PROBABLY DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THE SAME SECURITY DETAIL AS IN SIZE. 
          BUT FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS WITH THIS TENANT, NOT ONLY HAS THERE BEEN AN INCREASE IN DETAILED SECURITY, BUT ALSO METAL DETECTORS MANDATORY FOR ALL PATRONS. 
          UM, TO ADD CONTEXT TO THIS, WHAT WAS, UM, WERE YOU AWARE WHAT WAS SAID TO US WAS THIS EVENT HOSTED AT PROMOTED A BY CLUB VIVO RECENTLY RESULTED IN A SHOOTING OF A 14-YEAR-OLD THAT WAS INJURED. 
          A DOWNTOWN APARTMENT COMPLEX WAS UNFORTUNATELY CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRE, RESULTING IN TWO WINDOWS, SEVERAL STORIES BEING SHOT OUT, BUT IT DID NOT SAY THAT IT HAD HAPPENED MORE THAN ONE TIME. 
          WERE YOU AWARE THAT, IS THAT THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS ARTICLE? NO, THIS IS WHAT WAS SENT TO US FOR THE OPPOSITION. 
          IT STATED THAT IT HAPPENED THE SAME DAY OR AROUND THE SAME TIME THAT IT DID NOT HAPPEN. 
          IT WAS NOT STATED IN THE OPPOSITION THAT IT HAPPENED MULTIPLE TIMES TO THE SAME APARTMENT COMPLEX. 
          UM, I, I THINK THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS NOT TO, NOT TO MOVE AWAY FROM YOUR QUESTION, BUT THE CONTEXT I HAVE, AND I BELIEVE THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS DID AN ARTICLE RELATING IT AND A SHOOTING ALL BEING ALL FROM THAT SAME INCIDENT, THAT THERE WAS NOT A SEPARATE IN INCIDENT OF GUNFIRE, BUT IT WAS TIED TO THAT SAME EVENT. 
          THE, THE LETTER THAT YOU READ TO ME SOUNDS LIKE KIND OF LIKE THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS ARTICLE THAT IT WAS AT THE SAME EVENT. 
          UM, ALSO, ARE YOU, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OTHER CLUBS WITH THAT USE A PARKING THAT IS NOT OWNED BY THEM IN PROXIMITY? UH, PROBABLY. 
          UM, THERE'S A CLUB ON THE CORNER FROM YOU ALL THAT USED TO SHARE THE SAME PARKING LOT. 
          DEEP EL CLUBS USE PARKING LOTS. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          THAT OR THEY DO NOT OWN. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, I THINK THAT'S COMMON FOR ANY ESTABLISHMENT DOWNTOWN NOT TO HAVE A PARKING LOT ON THE SAME PROPERTY. 
          UM, I THINK THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET ACROSS FROM THE PARK DOESN'T HAVE A PARKING LOT OF ITS OWN TOWNHOUSE, DOESN'T HAVE A PARKING LOT OF ITS OWN. 
          SO THAT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR DOWNTOWN CLUBS. 
          AND DO, ARE YOU, ARE YOU AWARE IF THE SECURITY FROM THOSE CLUBS ALSO MONITOR THOSE PARKING LOTS? I AM NOT AWARE OF, OF HOW THEY MONITOR AT ALL THE SECURITIES. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE, BUT ARE, ARE THEY RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE PARKING LOTS? THE PARKING LOT? NO. 
          IT, I, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S A RESPONSIBILITY FOR AN OPERATOR TO ALSO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR OFFSITE PROPERTIES BECAUSE THEN IT BECOMES A QUESTION, WELL, HOW FAR DO YOU NEED TO GO? RIGHT. 
          IS IT THIS LOT PLUS THAT LOT OR IS IT THAT LOT, THAT LOT AND THAT LOT? OR IS IT JUST HALF OF THIS LOT? SO I, I BELIEVE WE'VE GOT SECURITY WHO'S AWARE THAT SOME OF OUR STAFF PARK THERE AND WE WILL BE MINDFUL OF WHEN STAFF IS GOING, BUT IT'S REALLY HARD TO TELL WHO WAS A PATRON OF OUR CLUB. 
          HOW, HOW MUCH DO WE NEED TO MONITOR AND ARE WE MONITORING THE RIGHT PEOPLE? I, I'M ASKING, ARE YOU AWARE THAT I'M ASKING YOU THAT BECAUSE OF THE STATEMENT THAT'S BROUGHT UP, BECAUSE OF THE SECURITY, EVEN THOUGH THAT YOU ALL USE THAT PARKING LOT, OTHER CLUBS IN THE VICINITY USE PARKING LOTS THAT 
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ARE PRIVATELY OWNED AND THAT THEIR CLUBS DO NOT, THOSE SECURITY GUARDS DO NOT TAKE THOSE SAME MEASURES? YES, MA'AM. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT WE HAVE REQUESTED THE PARKING LOT TO HAVE SECURITY. 
          UM, LIKE THEY MENTIONED, IT'S NOT OUR SPECIFIC PARKING LOT. 
          WE DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE GUESTS ARE SAFE AND OUR STAFF ARE SAFE, BUT THAT, THAT PARKING LOT DOES NOT BELONG TO US. 
          WAS ANY OF THE DATA PRESENTED TODAY, UH, WAS MENTIONED THAT COUNCIL DID THE DATA COME, DID, DID, WAS THOSE DOUBTS, UH, SUPPORTED? WAS ANY DATA THAT WAS, WAS THAT CAME TODAY? WAS IT SUPPORTED? UM, HAVE YOU ALL SEEN ANY VISUAL FROM, FROM THE LAST CPC TO COUNCIL TO NOW THAT AT THAT ALLEGATIONS THAT ARE NOT WITHIN THE, WITHIN THIS AND ALSO THE REPORTS THAT WERE SENT TO US, IS, HAS ANY OF THE, THAT DATA BEEN, UM, SUPPORTED, GIVEN WITH SUPPORT, UH, WITH DATA THAT SUPPORTS ANY OF THOSE ALLEGATIONS FROM LAST CPC TO COUNSEL TO BACK TO US? NO, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND DID YOU ALL SPECIFICALLY ASK FOR DATA RELATED TO SEXUAL OFFENSES, UM, VIOLENT CRIMES, UM, ANYTHING THAT'S RELATED TO THAT? DID THAT DA, WAS THAT DATA THAT WAS ASKED FOR? WE DID NOT ASK. 
          WE ASKED FOR EVERYTHING. 
          WE DIDN'T ASK FOR JUST PARTS. 
          WE ASKED FOR IT ALL. 
          I I ALSO JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOUR QUESTION ABOUT PARKING LOTS. 
          SO THE PARKING LOT RIGHT ACROSS THE, IS IT HARWOOD? MM-HMM . 
          ON THE OTHER SIDE? MM-HMM . 
          THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY IS OUTTA DENVER. 
          THE PARKING STRUCTURE JUST TO THE SOUTH OF IT, THAT PROPERTY OWNER IS OUTTA MONTREAL, CANADA. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND SO TRYING TO GET CORRESPONDENCE AND COOPERATION WITH PROPERTY OWNERS THAT AREN'T EVEN FROM THE STATE CAN BE A CHALLENGE. 
          UH, BUT WHERE WE CAN MONITOR TO HELP OUR STAFF FEEL SAFE, GETTING TO THEIR VEHICLES IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO. 
          ARE YOU AWARE THAT I'M ASKING YOU THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE OTHER CLUBS IN PROXIMITY IS NOT, DOES NOT HAVE THAT SAME, UM, COMMISSIONER. 
          IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING SOME OF THESE OTHER SAVAGE MAY NOT EVEN HAVE SECURITY THAT I THINK IS A FAIR ASSESSMENT TO MAKE. 
          AND SO THE QUESTION OF BEING ASKED ABOUT THE SECURITY MONITORING PARKING LOTS THAT DO NOT BELONG TO YOU, BUT ARE SHARED WITH OTHER BUSINESSES IN PROXIMITY YES, MA HAPPENS THROUGH OUR DEEP EL THEM. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          AND SO ANY INCIDENTS ARE HAPPENING ON THOSE SAME, ON THOSE TYPE SAME TYPE OF PARKING LOTS? YES, MA'AM. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT THE PARKING LOT IS IN A CENTRAL LOCATION, AND WE ARE NEXT TO A LOT OF BIG HOTELS LIKE THE SHERATON, LIKE INDIGO, LIKE THE RENAISSANCE, AND THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THOSE GUESTS PARK AS WELL. 
          UM, NOT ONLY THAT PARKING LOT, BUT THERE'S TWO MORE BIG LOTS BEHIND THAT SAME ONE. 
          SO WE ARE IN A VERY CENTRALIZED LOCATION. 
          THERE ARE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT CLUBS AROUND US. 
          THERE'S DIFFERENT PARKING AVENUES AROUND US ABSOLUTELY. 
          WHETHER IT'S ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET OR IN THAT PARKING LOT, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF BUSINESS AROUND US THAT PARK THERE. 
          ARE YOU IN, ARE YOU AWARE THAT TOWNHOUSE, TOWNHOUSE THAT IS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO YOU HAVE HAD SHOOTINGS ALSO? YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES. 
          TAKING US HOME, SIR? YES. 
          UH, QUICK QUESTION, JUST TO CONFIRM. 
          THE CLUB AROUND IN GENERAL MANAGER, THE CLUBS AROUND YOU, UH, USED TO BE ELMAN PEARL, I THINK IT'S NOW AINA LIGHT CLUB. 
          IT'S TWO BLOCKS. 
          THE STAR LOUNGE IS TWO BLOCKS. 
          TOWER CLUB, TOWER DALLAS, WHICH IS, THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER ONE THAT I DIDN'T MENTION. 
          IT'S CALLED OPERA. 
          OPERA SUP CLUB. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT TWO STREETS DOWN FROM US. 
          WATERPROOF ROOFTOP CLUB. 
          YES. 
          YEP. 
          I EVANGELIZE AT ALL THESE PLACES. 
          THAT'S HIGH IN THE, GOTCHA. 
          NO, UM, THANK YOU. 
          THAT, THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S OKAY IF YOU DID. 
          COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMM. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR? FOLLOW. 
          I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION WITH, UM, THAT WE, UH, WITH, WITH DR. 
          JEERA EARLIER TODAY. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE SUP OWNER, THE WHO WAS, WHO WAS THE APPLICANT ON THE SUP AND, AND I BELIEVE THE INFORMATION WE RECEIVED, CAN YOU, UM, THAT WE JUST HEARD WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE HEARD AT BRIEFING. 
          CAN YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT'S CORRECT? YES, I APOLOGIZE. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR, FOR THE FOLLOW UP. 
          DURING THE BRIEFING, YOU ASKED ME IF, UM, THE LAST SUP HAD THE SAME APPLICANT AND I SAID, YES, I CORRECT THAT. 
          IT WASN'T THE SAME APPLICANT. 
          THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS THE SAME ON THE LAST SUP. 
          IT WAS A DIFFERENT APPLICANT WITH A DIFFERENT REPRESENTATIVE. 
          I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION IN REGARDS TO SUVS. 
          UM, WHEN WE HAVE SUVS DO, ARE WE REQUIRED AND THAT, DO WE, DO WE OFTEN SEE SUVS COME BACK IN FOR NEW SUVS THAT HAVE BEEN EXPIRED FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME? YES. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, SURE. 
          WHEELER, WHAT DO, AND, UM, WHERE DOES STAFF GET THEIR DATA FOR THEIR CRIME REPORT DATA? WELL, THANK YOU FOR 
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THE QUESTION. 
          WE DID NOT PULL, UH, CRIME DATA BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW SUP AND IN ALL HONESTY, LIKE THIS IS NOT A CODE REQUIREMENT AND THERE ISN'T A LAND USE RATIONALE BETWEEN CRIME BECAUSE WE DON'T FILL A FILE END USES. 
          UM, I FOLLOWED THE NORMAL PROCEDURE THAT LIKE OUR NORMAL STUFF, AND I PULLED, UM, THE CRIME STATS SINCE THE LAST SUP RENEWAL. 
          I DID NOT INCLUDE THEM IN THE STAFF REPORT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE DO FOR NEW SUVS. 
          UH, AND I CIRCULATED THEM AT THE CHAIR'S REQUEST WITH THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION YESTERDAY, AND THEY ARE LIKE FROM DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND IN THAT, IN THAT CRIME REPORT, DID YOU SEE FOUR UH, SEXUAL ASSAULTS? I DO NOT LOOK INTO THEM. 
          I DO NOT ANALYZE THEM, AND I DO NOT USE THEM IN STAFF RATIONALE, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A LAND USE RATIONALE. 
          SO NO, I DID NOT LOOK AT THEM. 
          BUT THOSE REPORTS WERE PULLED FROM DPD? YES, THEY ARE. 
          AND, UM, AND WOULD THEY, WERE THEY AROUND THE SAME TIME AS THE ONES THAT WERE PRESENTED BY THE ACTUAL, UH, APPLICANT? I DID NOT DO THAT. 
          THE ONES THAT I ASKED THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE TO ME WAS APRIL, 2020 TO NOVEMBER, 2024. 
          I DID NOT. 
          UM, AS I SAID, I SHARED THEM WITH THE APPLICANT. 
          I SHARED THEM WITH YOU. 
          I DO NOT ANALYZE THEM. 
          I DO NOT DO COMPARISONS. 
          NOTHING. 
          AND ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          UM, CAN, IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU COULD SEE IF A APPLICANT WAS NOT THE ORIGINAL SUP, UM, WAS NOT THE ORIGINAL APPLICANT ON THE SUP? COULD THEY BELIEVE THAT IF LAST YEAR THAT THE SUP ALIGNED WITH THE DANCE HALL LICENSE THAT WAS ISSUED THAT AND BELIEVE THAT, THAT, THAT THE SUP WAS NOT DUE YET AND THAT THAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST? SO, YEAH, THAT, THIS IS A WHOLE PROCESS QUESTION. 
          SO ONCE YOU GET A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, THAT'S A SEPARATE PROCESS. 
          YOU NEED TO PULL A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE ACTUAL USE ON THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. 
          THE SUP NUMBER IS ADDED, BUT THERE IS ALSO, ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE, THERE IS ALSO A NOTE TO SAY THAT A D DANCE HALL LICENSE MUST BE RENEWED ANNUALLY. 
          UM, AGAIN, ALL OF THOSE ARE SEPARATE PROCESSES FROM THIS. 
          UH, BUT, UM, AS, UH, THE REPRESENTATIVE EXPLAINED, THAT'S HOW THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT THEIR, UM, EXPIRED SUP BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T RENEW THEIR LICENSE. 
          BUT THIS BODY, AND AGAIN, UH, STAFF, WE JUST LOOK, IS THIS A GOOD USE OF LEND, OF LEND AT THIS LOCATION? ALL OTHER PROCESSES, THEIR DUE PROCESSES WILL BE TRIGGERED AUTOMATICALLY. 
          CC UH, WOULD YOU BE, WOULD YOU BELIEVE THAT AT SUP BEING A, A DANCE HALL LICENSE WAS ISSUED BEFORE IN MY DISTRICT, THAT, AND THEY ACCIDENTALLY TIED A SUP FROM THE NEIGHBORING AND WE HAD THAT, THAT'S HAPPENED BEFORE. 
          AND IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED HERE. 
          I, AS I SAID, THE SUP IS JUST FOR THE USE AT THE LOCATION. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? THE LI THE ALCOHOL LICENSE, THE DANCE HALL LICENSE, THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, EVERYTHING ELSE IS INDEPEN IN INDEPENDENT AND WILL HAPPEN AUTOMATICALLY BECAUSE AS YOU SEE, LIKE THE LAST PROVISION OF THE SUP, IT SAYS THAT IT MUST COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE CODES. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. 
          SO THE WAY THEY, AGAIN, KNOWS THAT THEY PUT ON DANCE HALL LICENSE, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING MY DEPARTMENT ISSUES, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THIS BODY IS, HAS UNDER ITS PURVIEW. 
          IT'S A COMPLETELY SEPARATE ISSUE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, THANK YOU. 
          UM, DR. 
          RE, JUST TO CONFIRM FOR THE RECORD, IS IT CORRECT THAT THE BAR, LOUNGE AND TAVERN, WHICH IS INCLUDED WHEN THIS WITHIN THIS SUP REQUEST, INCLUDES A LIVE MUSIC VENUE? THANK YOU FOR ASKING ALAN'S QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          IN CHAPTER 51 A UNDER THE USE ALCOHOL, UM, UH, BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT BAR, LOUNGE OR TAVERN PRIVATE CLUB HAS ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS. 
          AND ONE, IT STATES B PROVISION, B STATES MUSIC, ENTERTAINMENT, OR FACILITIES FOR DANCING MAY BE PROVIDED UNDER THIS USE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SEEING NO OTHER QUESTIONS, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, THANK YOU. 
          IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 2 6 5 A MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, DISREGARD STAFF'S RECOMME RECOMMENDATION AND DENY THE APPLICATION. 
          AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE COMMENTS. 
          YOU DO HAVE A SECOND. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER SECOND YOUR MOTION COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WELL, 
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I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT COMING DOWN AGAIN. 
          UM, AND I DON'T RECOMMEND SHUTTING DOWN A BUSINESS LIGHTLY, AND I RECOGNIZE THAT THIS BUSINESS MAY EVEN DO EVENTS THAT ARE ACCEPT ACCEPTABLE OR EVEN BENEFICIAL AT TIMES TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          IT'S THE PROBLEMATIC INCIDENTS AND DANGEROUS EVENTS THAT CONCERN ME AND HAVE CAUSED SEVERAL PEOPLE TO SEND ME OBJECTIONS TO, UM, ISSUING THIS SUP. 
          UM, AND I WANNA SAY A WORD ABOUT THE DATA THAT WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT. 
          IT'S CLEAR TO ME THAT THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT INFORMATION EVERYONE RECEIVED FROM DPD AND HOW IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. 
          AND, AND IT'S REGRETFUL, IT'S REGRET, IT'S REGRETFUL THAT I DID NOT GET, UM, THE APPLICANT'S INFORMATION IN TIME TO REVIEW IT. 
          UM, AND SO IN FAIRNESS TO THE PROCESS, I'M SETTING ASIDE THE INFORMATION FROM DT DDPD FOR PURPOSES OF THIS RECOMMENDATION. 
          THAT SAID, UH, EVEN ASSUMING THAT THE INFORMATION FROM DPD DIFFERS, THE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT IS CLEARLY SKEWED IN ITS FAVOR TO EXCLUDE THINGS LIKE, UH, INCIDENTS IN THE ADJACENT PARKING AREA THAT IS CLEARLY, UH, AT LEAST IN PART TIED TO THE PATRONS. 
          AND, AND I DON'T CONSIDER THE INFORMATION WE GOT FROM THE APPLICANT HELPFUL EITHER. 
          SO I, I'M JUST SETTING ALL OF THAT ASIDE AND FOCUSING ON THE FACTS THAT WE AGREE ON. 
          UM, AND LOOKING AT THE LEGAL STANDARD. 
          AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE LEGAL STANDARD, WHICH IS FOUND IN 51 A DASH 4.219, IT SAYS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL NOT GRIND AN SUP FOR USE, EXCEPT UPON A FINDING THAT THE USE WILL A, COMPLEMENT OR BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES IN COMMUNITY FACILITIES. 
          B, CONTRIBUTE TO ENHANCE OR PROMOTE THE WELFARE OF THE AREA OF REQUESTS AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES C NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE. 
          AND D CONFORM IN ALL OTHER RESPECTS TO ALL ZONING REGULATIONS AND STANDARDS. 
          WHEN I LOOK AT THIS APPLICATION AND THE HISTORY OF OPERATION, I SIMPLY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT COMPLIES WITH THIS LEGAL STANDARD. 
          AND AS SOMEONE WHO LOOKS AT PROBABLY MORE SUP APPLICATIONS THAN MOST, BECAUSE LOWER GREENVILLE'S IN MY, UM, LOWER GREENVILLE MCKINNEY AVENUE AND PART OF DEEP EL ARE ALL IN MY DISTRICT. 
          AND I AM ROUTINELY LOOKING AT EITHER BAR LOUNGE, TAVERN DANCE HALL, OR LATE NIGHT SUP APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE THE EXACT SAME STANDARD AND ARE FOR NIGHTCLUBS OR BARS AND RESTAURANTS THAT OPERATE. 
          UM, I HAVE RECOMMENDED DENIAL OR REFUSE TO, UM, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF EITHER SUVS OR LATE NIGHT SUVS FOR OPERATIONS THAT HAVE HAD FAR FEWER PROBLEMS THAN THIS OPERATOR HAS HAD. 
          UM, THE FACT THAT WE HAD AN UNDERAGE YOUNG WOMAN RAPED IN A BATHROOM, A CHILD SHOT OUTSIDE OF AN EVENT, I MEAN, OUTSIDE OF THE VENUE AFTER AN EVENT, UM, THE LEVEL OF SECURITY THAT THIS PLACE REQUIRES TO EVEN OPERATE, THE FACT THAT IT'S FOUR TIMES LARGER THAN ANY OTHER OF THE VENUES AROUND IT, UM, I THINK CONTRIBUTES TO THE PROBLEMS WE SEE. 
          THIS VENUE HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR A DECADE AT LEAST. 
          IT WAS A PROBLEM WHEN IT WAS BLUE. 
          IT WAS A PROBLEM WHEN IT WAS MEDUSA. 
          IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM AS VIVO AND THE SIZE OF THIS VENUE, IN MY OPINION, CONTRIBUTES TO THAT. 
          I I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S ACCEPTABLE THAT THIS OPERATOR, UM, ALLOWED THIS OPERATION FOR OVER A YEAR WITHOUT AN SUP. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S ACCEPTABLE THAT THEY JUST SAID, WELL, WE DIDN'T KNOW, OR WE GOT BUM INFORMATION. 
          THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HAS OWNED THIS PROPERTY SINCE 2018. 
          THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY A LAWYER. 
          THIS PERSON AND THIS ENTITY HAS OWNED THIS PROPERTY. 
          WHEN IT WAS MEDUSA, THAT ENTITY HAD PLENTY OF PROBLEMS. SO THIS IDEA THAT THIS IS A NEW OPERATOR OR THIS IS A NEW OPERATION AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE, HIS SINS OF THE PAST DOES NOT FLY WITH ME BECAUSE THEY WERE 
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THE SAME PEOPLE THAT WERE THE LANDLORD FOR THE LAST PROBLEMATIC OPERATOR. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO THAT, AND I'VE SENT YOU ALL THE NUMEROUS OBJECTIONS I'VE GOTTEN FROM PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEARBY WHO, UM, HAVE REPORTED PROBLEMS WITH THIS ENTITY. 
          I'VE SENT YOU THE OBJECTIONS FROM STEAM REALTY, WHO'S THE NEW OWNER OF COER BANK AROUND THE CORNER, WHO IS GOING TO BE REDEVELOPING THAT LARGE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. 
          THIS IS AN OPERATION THAT SIMPLY ISN'T WORKING IN THIS LOCATION. 
          AND THE STATEMENTS THAT THIS GROUP HAS MADE ABOUT, WELL, JUST GIVE US ANOTHER CHANCE AND WE'LL BE BETTER. 
          THEY HAVE NOT COME IN HERE WITH ANY KIND OF CONCRETE PLAN TO DO BETTER. 
          THE BEST THAT THEY'VE SAID IS, WELL, WE'LL ADD SOME MORE SECURITY AND WE'LL ADD SOME MORE CAMERAS. 
          LOOK, IT'S TRUE. 
          I, I HAVE REPRESENTED NIGHTCLUBS. 
          I KNOW HOW NIGHTCLUBS OPERATE, AND I KNOW WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS NOT A PLAN. 
          IT IS NOT A PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT ONLY IN THEIR NIGHTCLUB, BUT AROUND THE NIGHTCLUB AND WHO LEAVE THE NIGHTCLUB AND WHO HANG OUTSIDE THE NIGHTCLUB ARE GONNA BE SAFE. 
          AND ALL OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES TAKEN TOGETHER OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS AND THE DISREGARD FOR OUR LEGAL PROCESSES AT THE CITY IN TERMS OF LICENSING CULMINATE TOGETHER TO BE A, A SITUATION THAT, IN MY OPINION, DO NOT CONTRIBUTE, TO ENHANCE OR PROMOTE THE WELFARE OF THE AREA IN ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND IS DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE AREA. 
          I HOPE THAT YOU WILL SUPPORT ME IN THIS DECISION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER. 
          I STRONGLY OBJECT TO, UM, THE, UH, MOTION THAT WAS GIVEN. 
          UM, THERE HAS THE AMOUNT, WHEN WE DEAL WITH DOWNTOWN, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF, UM, ORGANIZATIONS THAT HELP PROMOTE AND MAKE DOWNTOWN BETTER. 
          I DIDN'T SEE ANY OPPOSITION FROM THEM. 
          UM, DOWNTOWN INC. 
          I DIDN'T SEE ANY OPPOSITION TO THEM. 
          THE OPPOSITION THAT DID COME THROUGH WERE A LETTER THAT WAS CIRCULATED MULTIPLE TIMES, SPOKE OF THE, THE SAME TWO INCIDENTS. 
          SOMEONE WHO HAS ABOUT, I'M GONNA SAY FROM ABOUT 13 YEARS OLD UNTIL 2012, WAS INVOLVED IN CLUBS, UM, BOTH, UM, CLUBS THAT HAD, UH, UM, BOTH STRIP CLUBS AND REGULAR CLUBS. 
          THE AMOUNT OF DATA THAT I'VE SEEN IS NOT, UM, IS FAR LESS. 
          AND I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN CLUBS, CRY BABIES, 1919 SADDEN DOLL, THESE CLUBS THAT I HELPED RUN, UM, THAT BOTH MY FATHER AND MY HUSBAND RAN. 
          AND I'VE SEEN WAY MORE, UM, VIOLENCE. 
          I DON'T SEE, I, I DIDN'T SEE ANY DATA THAT CAME THROUGH THAT, THAT SUPPORTED THAT. 
          THERE WERE FOUR SEXUAL ASSAULTS. 
          I SAW DATA THAT CAME THROUGH THAT CAME FROM STAFF, THAT CAME FROM THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT THEY'RE BEING HELD TO A HIGHER, UH, REGARD THAN THE NEIGHBORING CLUBS THAT HAVE JUST, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY. 
          UM, DEEP ELLUM HAS WAY MORE CRIME THAN THIS. 
          THERE'S WAY MORE SHOOTINGS IN THAT TOWNHOUSE, LIKE TOWNHOUSE, RIGHT? THERE HAS BEEN SHOOTINGS AT THIS CLUB ACROSS THE STREET FROM THEM SINCE THEY WERE IN OPERATIONS. 
          ELMAN PEARL CLUB HAD WAY MORE SHOOTINGS THAN THIS. 
          UM, AND THEY SHARED THE SAME PARKING LOT. 
          AND THAT WAS DURING THE TIME THAT IT WAS MEDUSA. 
          I WENT WHEN IT WAS BLUE, LONG TIME, A A LONG TIME AGO, UM, LONG, LONG, LONG TIME AGO. 
          AND, AND SO I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE ARE HOLDING THEM TO A HIGHER REGARD. 
          PARKING LOTS IN DOWNTOWN ARE SHARED. 
          THERE'S INCIDENTS THAT'S HAPPENED ALL OVER. 
          UM, I I MENTIONED THE ONLY REASON THAT I MENTIONED CAFE MOMENTUM IS BECAUSE THERE ARE YOUTH WHO OPERATE CAFE MOMENTUM, WHICH IS IN THE VICINITY, WHO LEFT OUT, WENT DOWN THE STREET, HAD A SHOOTING. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF SHOOTING THAT HAPPENS AS REGARDS TO OUR YOUNGER PEOPLE. 
          UM, I HAVE HELD, UH, UH, HELD, UM, EVENTS FOR YOUNG PEOPLE. 
          AND IT'S HARD TO DO RIGHT IN THIS TIME, IN THIS PARTICULAR TIME IN CLIMAX WITH YOUNG PEOPLE BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR CRIMES AND VIOLENT CRIMES ARE BEING ISSUED IN THAT. 
          AND FOR IF THEY SAID THAT, I BELIEVE THEM WHEN THEY SAY, HEY, WE JUST 
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DON'T WANT THAT LIABILITY, ONLY RECOMMENDATION I WOULD'VE HAD ON THAT IS WHENEVER THERE ARE CHILDREN INVOLVED HAVE DPD SECURITY IS NOT ENOUGH. 
          I, AND THAT'S COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THE CLUB WORLD. 
          UM, BUT I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE ARE HOLDING THEM TO A HIGH REGARD. 
          THERE IS NOT A STATEMENT THAT HAS BEEN MADE, UM, THAT WILL LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THAT THE, THE CLUB OWNER AND THE PROPERTY OWNER HERE HAS, HAS SHOWED A DISREGARD FOR LIFE. 
          INCIDENTS HAPPENS AT CLUBS WHERE ALCOHOL IS AT, THERE IS INCIDENTS THAT ARE RELATED TO THAT. 
          ONCE A CLUB IS CLOSED AND YOU SHOW A PARKING LOT, THERE IS INCIDENTS THAT COULD HAPPEN. 
          AND WE HAVE NOT, WE HAVE NOT BEEN PRESENTED THOSE FACTS FROM THE OTHER CLUBS THAT HAVE SHARED THESE PARKING LOTS OVER THOSE YEARS. 
          UM, WHEN AFTER ELMAN PEARL, THEN IT WAS, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME, BUT IT WAS WET WEDNESDAY. 
          IT WAS HAPPENING DURING THE TIME MEDUSA WAS OPEN. 
          IT WAS A TAP TIME OF VIVO. 
          AND I COULD TELL YOU THAT I KNOW FOR A FACT THERE WAS SHOOTINGS AT ELMAN PEARL THAT COULD HAVE BEEN REGARDED OVER TO VIVO OR OVER TO MEDUSA, OVER TO BLUE. 
          AND SO I, I, FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT THIS CLUB IS BEING HELD TO A HIGHER REGARD, IT IS BAD PRACTICE. 
          IT IS BAD PRACTICE. 
          I, I HAVEN'T REPRESENTED A CLUB. 
          I HAVE ACTUALLY RAN CLUBS, AND I'M SAYING THAT SINCE I WAS 13 YEARS OLD, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN CLUBS AND I COULD TELL YOU WHEN THERE'S VIOLENCE, AND THIS IS NOT IT, UM, WHAT IT, THEY'RE BEING TREATED UNFAIR, TOTALLY UNFAIR. 
          AND, AND DEEP ING HAS THE SAME ISSUES, SAME ISSUES, BUT THEY'RE BEING HELD TO A HIGHER REGARD. 
          COER BUYING A BUILDING, THE OWNER BUYING THE BUILDING, AND, AND NEW DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT SEEMS LIKE THE GOING THING. 
          NEW DEVELOPERS COME IN, THEY WANT ALL DEVELOPERS ALL OUT, AND THEY, SO THAT THEY CAN POSSIBLY GET IT. 
          I, I JUST, IT'S, IT'S INSULTING. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER BLAIR? AGAIN, ANOTHER CASE. 
          I REALLY DON'T WANNA BE, AGAIN, ANOTHER CASE I REALLY DON'T WANNA BE HERE FOR, BUT I AM. 
          AND, UM, WHEN WE HEARD THE CASE BEFORE, I JUST HEARD, AND, AND I'LL BE HONEST, I JUST, I HEARD RAW DATA AND THE RAW DATA LOOKED OMINOUS AND IT, AND CON AND THE CONTEXT WAS NOT ONE THAT, THAT WAS, WAS SHARED TODAY. 
          TODAY WAS A DEEP DIVE. 
          BUT PUTTING ALL THAT ASIDE, UM, MY CHALLENGE AND WHAT IT IS THAT I, ALL OF US HAVE HAD OPERATORS WHOSE SUP HAS EXPIRED, WHETHER IT'S FOR WHAT, WHATEVER REASON. 
          AND IT'S BEEN, I HAVE, I HAVE A SLEW OF OPERATORS WHOSE SUP HAS EXPIRED. 
          AND, AND IT'S BEEN QUITE SOME TIME, UM, SINCE THEY'VE STARTED THE RENEWAL PROCESS. 
          AND I HAVE OPERATORS WHO HAVE SUVS THAT HAVE BEEN EXPIRED AND GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          THEY'VE NEVER HAD BEEN REQUIRED TO SHUT DOWN, UM, TO SH AND TO, AND, AND FOR US, WE, WE JUST SAY THAT TO SHUT THEM DOWN IS SOMETHING THAT IS HURTFUL. 
          I APPRECIATE THE NEED TO HAVE OPERATOR AND BUSINESSES OPERATE IN GOOD STANDING AND, AND IN ALL FAIRNESS. 
          UM, BUT WE, BUT TO HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS APPLY TO DIFFERENT OPERATORS IS A CHALLENGE FOR ME. 
          IT'S REALLY A CHALLENGE FOR ME. 
          AND, UM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WHEN WE SAY EQUITY, THAT THIS IS EQUITABLE. 
          SO I THINK I SAW COMMISSIONER HERBERT BEFORE WE COME BACK FOR A SECOND AROUND COMMISSIONER HERBERT. 
          YES. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? UH, WE CAN PLEASE. 
          YES. 
          SO I, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          UM, I, I'VE GOTTEN THE SUPPORT LETTERS FROM, UM, A LOT OF LARGE, UH, VOICES IN THE CITY. 
          UM, MR. KELLY, THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY, HAS BECOME A PILLAR OF THIS COMMUNITY. 
          UM, THE PEOPLE AND COMMUNITY LEADERS WHO HAVE SPOKEN HIS BEHALF, UM, THEY, THEY VOUCH FOR HIS WORD, HIS LOYALTY TO HIS PEOPLE. 
          UM, HIS LOYALTY 
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TO THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS AND WHAT HE BRINGS TO THE TABLE. 
          UH, THE, THE LETTERS IN OPPOSITION HAVE COME FROM BUILDINGS, UM, OWNERS OF BUILDINGS, ONE MAIN PLACE, EQUITY FIRMS THAT HAVE LITERALLY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO PURCHASE MR. MR. KELLY'S FIRM, UM, AND BUILDING. 
          AND THIS IS WHAT THEY DO, PURCHASE OLD BUILDINGS. 
          THEY WROTE A LETTER OF OPPOSITION. 
          THOSE LETTERS DESTROYED THE FABRIC OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY. 
          UM, THIS MAN IS LITERALLY A LEADER, A MENTOR THAT IS TRYING EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER TO EMPLOY OTHER PEOPLE. 
          HE DOES IT STAND, HIS STANDARDS ARE HIGH AS SEEN ON A VIRAL VIDEO OF PATRONS NOT RESPECTING HIS PLACE. 
          UM, HIS STANDARDS ARE HIGH IN THE WAY HIS CHILDREN ARE EDUCATED AND THE WAY HIS BUSINESS IS RAN, THE AMOUNT OF PROFESSIONALISM THAT'S THERE. 
          WE GIVE OPERATORS A YEAR TO SELL LIQUOR AND GAMBLE THAT WE KNOW FOR DECADES, CENTURIES HAVE DESTROYED FAMILIES. 
          I DUG INTO THE CRIME STATS. 
          I'M A DATA ANALYST. 
          IT'S IN MY PROFESSION. 
          IT SAW FOUR CRIMES THIS YEAR AT THE PROPERTY, NOT EVEN AT THE PROPERTY, BUT IN VICINITY OF THE PROPERTY. 
          AND TWO, SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE ROBBED. 
          THE CLUB WAS, BUT NEITHER HERE, THERE, EXCLUDING THE CRIME STATS, LOOKING AT THE PEOPLE, LOOKING AT THE LAND ITSELF AND HOW IT'S BEEN USED FOR OVER A DECADE NOW. 
          THE LAND USAGE IS THERE. 
          IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE OWNER, THE ON, WE GIVE HIM AN SUP TO PROVE HIMSELF AS WE'RE, AS WAS SUGGESTED BY, UM, THE CHAMBER. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL THAN DENYING AND SHUTTING DOWN THE BUSINESS WHERE HUNDREDS OF EMPLOYEES AND HUNDREDS OF STAFFS, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO THE CITY AREN'T BEING DONE. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, MY APOLOGIES. 
          CAN YOU TURN ON THE LIGHT ON IN YOUR CAR, SIR, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE YOU. 
          YOU, WE COULD SEE YOU BEFORE. 
          YES. 
          WE CAN'T SEE YOU NOW. 
          MY APOLOGIES. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          HOW ABOUT NOW? OKAY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO MY, MY POINT IS, IF WE GIVE OTHER PEOPLE A YEAR, WE GIVE OTHER PEOPLE A CHANCE TO PROVE THEMSELVES. 
          I THINK THIS CLUB HAS PROVEN THE DATA, PROVEN THE SUPPORT THEY HAVE THEIR EMPLOYEES IN THE BUILDINGS, THEY HAVE THEIR SECURITY THERE FOR OUR ANSWERS AND QUESTIONS. 
          I THINK THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING THEY, THEY COULD DO AND DESERVE AT LEAST A YEAR SUP AS RECOMMENDED BY THE CHAMBER. 
          UM, SO THAT'S MY, MY COMMENT FOR THE FIRST ROUND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HERBERT. 
          UH, VERY QUICKLY FOR THE QUESTION THAT'S CALLED, UH, I WILL VERY RESPECTFULLY NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          UM, UH, VERY QUICKLY. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE LIVE IN THE NINTH LARGEST CITY IN AMERICA. 
          AND, UH, A CITY OUR SIZE NEEDS PLACES LIKE THIS THAT MAYBE PUSH THE ENVELOPE A LITTLE BIT AND MAYBE PUSH THE ENVELOPE IN WAYS THAT, UH, WE HAVE LONG LEFT BEHIND. 
          UH, I KNOW I HAVE. 
          UM, BUT FOR ME, THIS CASE, UH, THE LAST TIME, AND I THINK UNFORTUNATELY IT WAS A NOT VERY GOOD PRESENTATION, BUT THIS TIME AROUND THIS CASE FOR ME WAS A, A SEARCH FOR CONTEXT AND A SEARCH FOR A STANDARD. 
          AND, UH, AS COMMISSIONER WHEELER STATED, AND THAT'S WHY THE ANALYSIS, UH, WAS SO VALUABLE FOR ME, UH, I HAVE TO COMPARE IT TO SIMILAR PLACES AND TO SEE IF IN FACT, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS CASE HAS CROSSED THE LINE. 
          THIS, THIS OPERATOR HAS CROSSED THE LINE IN SOME WAY, UH, WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT HAPPENS HERE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS YOUTH AND, AND, UH, AND THOSE KINDS OF ACTIVITIES. 
          UH, ALSO, WE DID RECEIVE SOME, SOME FOLKS IN OPPOSITION, A COUPLE OF EMAILS OR SO. 
          UH, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I'D HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT IN FACT IF, IF THIS OPERATION WAS SUCH A THREAT TO THE COMMUNITY IN THAT AREA, THAT THEY WOULD BE LINING UP HERE. 
          UH, AND IN FACT, NO ONE CAME. 
          UH, AND SO I THINK THAT SPOKE TO ME. 
          THE ANALYSIS SPOKE TO ME AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD SUPPORT A, A LONG SUP HERE, BUT I WOULD SUPPORT A VERY SHORT PROVISIONARY ONE TO TWO YEAR TO TAKE THE TEMPERATURE AND HAVE 'EM COME BACK AND SEE, SEE HOW IT WENT. 
          UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER KINGSTON? UM, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS IT'S JUST THE LAWYER AND ME, BUT I LOOK AT THE LEGAL STANDARD AND JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER BAD OPERATORS IN TOWN DOES NOT MEAN I THINK WE GIVE THIS BAD OPERATOR A PASS. 
          AND DEEP EL IS A PROBLEM. 
          WE HAVE BAD OPERATORS IN DEEP OP IN DEEP EL, WE HAVE SHOOTINGS IN DEEP ELM TO THE POINT WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WON'T GO THERE ANYMORE. 
          I'M ONE OF 'EM. 
          SO, 
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YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T, THAT'S NOT A, A, A VALID ARGUMENT FOR KEEPING THIS BUSINESS OPEN. 
          PART OF WHAT I THINK MAKES THIS BUSINESS PROBLEMATIC IS THAT IT'S 18 AND UP. 
          SO YOU, YOU HAVE A YOUNGER CROWD AND YOU HAVE A MORE VULNERABLE POPULATION IN, WHICH IS WHY YOU HAVE, AND AND THEY TARGET YOUNGER PEOPLE. 
          THEY PUT ON EVENTS FOR CHILDREN, WHICH IS HOW YOU END UP WITH A CHILD GETTING SHOT OUTSIDE THEIR VENUE, WHICH IS HOW YOU END UP WITH A CHILD GETTING RAPED IN THEIR VENUE. 
          THAT'S WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CRIME STATISTICS AND OTHER VENUES. 
          THOSE OTHER VENUES ARE ALL 21 AND UP. 
          SO THE, WE'RE NOT COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES IN A LOT OF THESE INSTANCES. 
          IF YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE DATA, WHICH I THINK IS A LITTLE BIT SKEWED 'CAUSE WE'RE CLEARLY GETTING DIFFERENT PILES OF, OF DATA FROM DIFFERENT TIME PERIODS. 
          BUT IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANNA DO, AND I, AND I'LL ALSO SAY THIS, IT'S NOT JUST ONE THING, IT'S NOT JUST THE CRIME, IT'S NOT JUST THE ENORMOUS SIZE OF THE VENUE. 
          IT CERTAINLY ISN'T BECAUSE SOME BANK OWNER DOESN'T LIKE IT. 
          IT IS ABOUT WHAT DO WE WANT OUR DOWNTOWN TO BE? DO WE WANT IT TO BE A VIBRANT, WALKABLE, SAFE COMMUNITY? IT'S HARD TO TRANSFORM IT INTO BEING THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THIS, WHEN YOU HAVE A PARK THAT PEOPLE DON'T FEEL SAFE GOING TO ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS VENUE, WHEN THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE DOWN HERE DON'T FEEL SAFE GOING THERE BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT GO TO THIS CLUB BRING GUNS TO THE PARKING LOT AND SHOOT KIDS ACROSS THE STREET. 
          SO YOU, YOU, THIS IS WHY I LOOK AT THIS CASE DIFFERENTLY. 
          AND A LOT OF THE SUPPORT LETTERS WE GOT WERE, GEE, MR. KELLY'S A NICE GUY. 
          GEE, MR. KELLY'S A STANDUP CITIZEN. 
          I DIDN'T SAY A BAD THING ABOUT MR. KELLY. 
          IT'S FOCUSING ON WHAT IS THE LEGAL STANDARD FOR GRANTING AN SUP AND HOW IS THIS CLUB BEING OPERATED AND DOES IT MEET THAT LEGAL STANDARD? THAT IS THE FOCUS, THAT IS THE, THAT IS THE THING WE ARE BEING ASKED TO DECIDE. 
          AND THAT IS WHAT I BASE MY RECOMMENDATION ON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU . 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER, WE, WHEN WE, I, I CAN'T, I'M GONNA GO BY DATA. 
          AND THE DATA THAT WAS PRESENTED WAS PRESENTED FROM CITY STAFF AND THE APPLICANT. 
          NO OTHER DATA WAS PRESENTED. 
          THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO SEXUAL ASSAULTS THAT WAS READ THAT WAS GIVEN BY POLICE OFFICERS IN A CHAIN, A COUNCIL CHAMBER. 
          THAT DATA SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT IN FROM A VIEWPOINT. 
          I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT I DEFINITELY BELIEVE IN DATA AND SUPPORTING EVIDENCE. 
          AND YOU CAN'T WIN A CASE WITHOUT SUPPORTING EVIDENCE. 
          I CAN SAY THAT THE LAST TIME THAT, THAT THIS APPLICANT CAME, THEY DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION. 
          IT COULD, THEY COULD NOT SUPPORT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, BUT THIS TIME THEY CAME WITH DATA. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT THERE IS ENTITIES DOWNTOWN, DOWNTOWN INC. 
          THE DEEP ELHAM FOUNDATION, IT CAUSES ME TO PAUSE BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT SUPPORTED ANY, HAVE NOT SEEN ANY OBJECTIONS OR SUPPORT. 
          AND IF THERE IS A MAJOR ISSUE WITH THIS PARTICULAR CLUB, I JUST CANNOT SEE THESE TWO ENTITIES NOT SUBMITTING SOMETHING, SAYING THAT THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT IS RUNNING AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT IS SO DANGEROUS THAT WE DO NOT WANT IT IN OUR, WITHIN DOWNTOWN WALKABILITY, THESE DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          BUT WHAT I WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT IS THE LITTLE GUY WHO'S TRYING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. 
          A ONE YEAR, ONE YEAR SUP, I'VE SEEN SUVS ISSUED IN THIS CHAMBER TO I OCCUP, I MEAN, OCCUPANTS THAT WE KNOW ARE RUNNING ALL KIND OF BUSINESSES, BUT WE CAN'T LOOK AT THAT. 
          WE CAN'T LOOK THAT THEY GOT GAME ROOMS INSIDE THEIR BUILDING, BUT WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE BAD. 
          APPLICANT. 
          WE'VE ISSUED SUVS. 
          A ONE YEAR SUP, HE WAS, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT WAS NOT THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT. 
          THEY MIGHT, WAS THE LANDLORD. 
          RIGHT? THERE'S NO DATA THAT SUPPORTS THAT, THAT THEY HAVE SUCH EXTREME VIOLENCE, SEXUAL ASSAULTS, MURDERS IN THE, UH, SINCE THEY HAVE TAKEN OVER THAT IS NOT IN COMPARISON TO CLUBS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE 21 AND OLDER. 
          TOWNHOUSE IS 21 AND OLDER, RIGHT? MOST OF THE CLUBS IN DEEP ELEMENT IS 21 AND OLDER. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY HAVE THESE INCIDENTS. 
          AGAIN, TOWN HALL IS A GROAN AND SEXY CLUB AND THEY HAVE THESE TYPE OF ISSUES. 
          THEY'RE HAVING THIS ISSUE, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT IS BEING UNFAIRLY TREATED AND IT'S, AND I'VE SEEN IT TWICE 
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IN DOWNTOWN. 
          I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE BIG GUY WHO'S COMING DOWNTOWN AND BUYING THINGS AND, AND ON SOMETHING FANCY AND NEW, THE PARK ACROSS THE STREET. 
          PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO THE PARK ACROSS THE STREET BECAUSE OF THIS CLUB. 
          THEY'RE NOT GOING BECAUSE WE HAVE A HOMELESS ISSUE DOWNTOWN. 
          AND THE HOMELESS IS LIVING IN THIS PARK AND PEOPLE STILL GO TO THIS PARK. 
          'CAUSE I SEE YOUNG PEOPLE OUT PLAYING BASKETBALL, SEE YOUNG PEOPLE. 
          BUT WHAT I DO SEE IS TENTS AND HOMELESS. 
          AND WE HAVE A HOMELESS ISSUE DOWNTOWN THAT MIGHT BE CONTRIBUTED TO THAT. 
          NOT THIS CLUB. 
          THIS CLUB IS AN OPEN FRIDAY, SATURDAY, AND SUNDAY. 
          AND DURING THE TIME THAT THESE CLUBS, THIS CLUB IS OPEN, NO ONE IS SUPPOSED TO BE AT THE PARK ANYWAY. 
          OUR PARK'S CLOSED AT NINE O'CLOCK. 
          IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. 
          I DON'T GO TO PARKS 'CAUSE I DON'T WALK. 
          UM, BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS NOT CONTRIBUTED TO THIS CLUB. 
          AND WE ARE PUTTING A, A BURDEN ON THIS CLUB THAT SHOULD BE ASSURED BURDEN TO DOWNTOWN AND SAY IF I ISSUE A ONE YEAR SUP, THERE IS, THERE IS UNDERLYING SITUATIONS AND THAT IS CAUSING THIS TO BE, FOR THEM TO BE HANDLED LIKE THIS. 
          AND IT IS UNFAIR. 
          IT IS TOTALLY UNFAIR. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES? CAN I MOVE TO CALL THE QUESTION? YOU SURE CAN. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS THE QUESTION HAS BEEN CALLED. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          YOU OPPOSED? AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          WE GET, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE. 
          MAY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON TO, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, NOT FILE A STAFF OR COMMITTEE. 
          PARDON ME? UH, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER TO, UH, 90 THE APPLICANT. 
          DO WE HAVE RECORD VOTES? PLEASE TAKE THE RECORD. 
          VOTE YES. 
          DISTRICT ONE? NO. 
          DISTRICT TWO? YES. 
          DISTRICT THREE? NO. 
          DISTRICT FOUR? YES. 
          DISTRICT FIVE? NO. 
          DISTRICT SIX? YES. 
          DISTRICT SEVEN? NO. 
          DISTRICT EIGHT? NO. 
          DISTRICT NINE ABSENT. 
          DISTRICT 10? YES. 
          DISTRICT 11, VACANT. 
          DISTRICT 12. 
          NO. 
          DISTRICT 13, NO. 
          DISTRICT 14 AND PLACE 15. 
          NO. 
          MOTION FAILS. 
          I GET ANOTHER MOTION, MR. CHAIR? YES, PLEASE. 
          I MOVE TO, UM, FOLLOW STAFF RECOMME RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF IT FOR A ONE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN FOR GROUND, FLOOR AND SECOND FLOOR AND CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU, UH, MR. RUBIN FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT RATHER FOR A ONE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND FOR GROUND, FLOOR AND SECOND FLOOR CONDITIONS. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED TO AN OPPOSITION? CARPENTER AND KINGSTON? MOTION PASSES. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER 7 28. 
          LET'S TAKE A QUICK 10 MINUTE BREAK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ARE WE RECORDING SIR? WE 
          [22. 24-3744 An application for 1) an amendment to Planned Development Subdistrict No. 145 within Planned Development District No. 193, the Oak Lawn Special Purpose District; and 2) a Specific Use Permit for a bank or savings and loan office with drive-in window service on the north corner of Maple Avenue and Amelia Avenue. Staff Recommendation: 1) Approval of an amendment to Planned Development Subdistrict No. 145, subject to staff’s recommended conditions; and 2) approval of a Specific Use Permit for a bank or savings and loan office with drive-in window service for a five-year period, subject to a site plan, a landscape plan, and staff’s recommended conditions. Representative: James Scott, Studio Mas Architects Planner: Council District: 2 Z234-290(LG/MP) 24-3744 ]
ARE RECORDING 7 41. 
          WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, LET'S GO TO CASE NUMBER 22. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          ITEM 22 IS Z 2 3 4 2 9 0. 
          SHE'S NOT HERE. 
          IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR ONE, AN AMENDMENT FOR TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT SUBDISTRICT NUMBER 1 45 WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 1 93, THE OAKLAWN SOCIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT AND TWO, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A BANK OR SAVINGS AND LOAN OFFICE WITH DRIVE-IN WINDOW SERVICE STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS ONE APPROVAL OF AN TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUBDISTRICT NUMBER 1 45, SUBJECT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS, AND TWO, APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A BANKER SAVINGS AND LOAN OFFICE WITH DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW SERVICE FOR FIVE YEAR PERIODS UP TO A SITE PLAN AS BRIEFED A LANDSCAPE PLAN AS BRIEFED AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. 
          MR. CHAIR, CAN I RAISE A POINT OF PRIVILEGE? YES, SIR. 
          PLEASE. 
          UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF CHATTER GOING ON IN THE BACKGROUND. 
          YES. 
          CAN WE HAVE THE, UH, FOLKS IN THE GALLERY? THANK YOU, SIR. 
          WE GOT A LITTLE GIDDY. 
          IT'S AFTER SEVEN. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          IS THE APPLICANT HERE? I THINK THEY'RE ONLINE. 
          THEY'RE ONLINE. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          YES. 
          GOOD EVENING, MR. SCOTT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          MR. SCOTT, PLEASE BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          I'M JAMES SCOTT. 
          ADDRESS IS 24 31 PINE BLUFF DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 8. 
          UH, I'M MOSTLY HERE TO JUST ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          UM, SO YEAH, I I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO PRESENT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SCOTT, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER HAMDEN. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, MR. SCOTT, 
          [09:25:01]
UM, IS IT CORRECT YOU MAY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO LISTEN TO THE BRIEFING EARLIER TODAY THAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH CITY STAFF AND ENGINEERING, UM, REGARDING SOME OF THE LANDSCAPE AND SITE PLAN, UM, COMMENTS AND THOSE WERE REFLECTED IN THE REVISED PLANS THAT WERE CIRCULATED TO THE BODY EARLIER TODAY? YES, MA'AM. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, THERE WAS, UM, DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, THE CONNECTION TO MAPLE, UM, THE MAPLE SAFETY PLAN. 
          UM, THAT IS A, A CITY POLICY THAT'S, UM, UNDERGOING REVIEW RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, IS IT CORRECT THAT THE DRIVE THAT IS PROPOSED ALONG MAPLE IS LIMITED, UH, EGRESS ONLY 16 FEET IN WYETH, UM, REALLY TO TRY TO ADDRESS SOME PEDESTRIAN SAFETY COMPONENTS RELATED TO THAT, UH, MAPLE AVENUE PLAN? THAT'S RIGHT. 
          IT'S EGRESS ONLY ON MAPLE, UH, TWO WAY ON AMELIA STREET AND 16 FEET IS, IS THE MAXIMUM ON MAPLE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. 
          UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? I DO, AND I HAVE BRIEF COMMENTS. 
          I HAVE A SECOND. 
          IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 DASH 29, I MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUB-DISTRICT NUMBER 1 45 AND SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A BANK OR SAVINGS AND LOAN OFFICE WITH DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW SERVICE FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD. 
          SUBJECT TO A REVISED SUP SITE PLAN. 
          ACCORDING TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES IN THE PD CONDITIONS, DEVELOPMENT AND USE OF A BANK IN SAVINGS AND LOAN OFFICE MUST COMPLY WITH AN APPROVED SUP SITE PLAN FOR ALL OTHER PERMITTED USES. 
          DEVELOPMENT AND USE OF THE PROPERTY MUST COMPLY WITH THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          LANDSCAPING FOR A BANK AND SAVINGS AND LOAN OFFICE MUST COMPLY WITH AN SUP SITE PLAN THAT CHOSE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL OTHER PERMITTED USES. 
          LANDSCAPING MUST BE PROVIDED AS SHOWN ON THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE PLAN. 
          IN THE DESIGN STANDARD SECTION, THE WORD SHOULD, AND THE FIRST SENTENCE OF SUBSECTION B IS CHANGED TO MUST AND THE FOLLOWING PROVISION IS ADDED. 
          A SINGLE BUILDING ENTRY SERVED BY A COMMON EXTERIOR COVERED ENTRY MAY BE PROVIDED IN LIEU OF SEPARATE FACADE ENTRIES. 
          THE PROHIBITION ON ALL OUTDOOR SPEAKERS IS CHANGED TO READ. 
          OUTDOOR LOUDSPEAKERS ARE PROHIBITED EXCEPT FOR A DRIVE THROUGH LOUDSPEAKER FOR A BANK AND SAVINGS AND LOAN OFFICE THAT COMPLIES WITH SECTION 51 P DASH 1 93 1 29. 
          IN THE SUP CONDITIONS CONDITION, FOUR ROMAN AT TWO SHOULD READ ALONG AMELIA STREET. 
          A MINIMUM OF THREE LARGE OR EIGHT SMALL TREES ARE REQUIRED WITHIN 25 FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE FOR THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS. 
          IT'S REVISED TO READ, UH, FROM 8:00 AM TO 6:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND, UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSE HIGH FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND I TOOK THE TIME AFTER OUR BRIEFING THIS MORNING TO GO BACK THROUGH THE MAPLE AVENUE SAFETY PLAN AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THIS. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE WAY THAT THE ORIGINAL PD WAS STRUCTURED THAT THE INTENT WAS TO LOCATE THE USES AWAY FROM ITS TWO ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. 
          UM, MAPLE IS UNDERGOING A SAFETY PLAN BECAUSE IT HAS SOME SIGNIFICANT ISSUES. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S DUB THE MOST UNSAFE STREET IN OUR CITY. 
          UM, THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          UM, ADDING A DRIVE THROUGH, I, I THINK I'M ONE OF THE FOLKS WHO HAS VOTED AGAINST THEM ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION. 
          UM, OUR CITY IS CHANGING IN TERMS OF ITS DYNAMICS, IN TERMS OF HOW IT IS TRYING TO ENVISION ITS PUBLIC REALM. 
          I THINK THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE GONNA COME OUT OF THE MAPLE AVENUE REVIEW ARE GONNA GIVE US SOME FURTHER GUIDANCE. 
          THOSE ARE SCHEDULED IF THE SCHEDULE HOLDS TO BE COMPLETED WITH CONSTRUCTION IN 2028, WHICH IS ABOUT A YEAR, OR THIS SUP WOULD EXPIRE ABOUT A YEAR AFTER THAT, I THINK THAT WILL ALLOW THIS OPERATOR TIME, UM, TO EVALUATE DO THEY STILL NEED A DRIVE THROUGH FOR A BANK. 
          WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF SERVICES THAT ARE NOW PART OF OUR BANKING IS TIED TO A MYRIAD OF DIFFERENT FACTORS. 
          THIS OPERATOR APPARENTLY EVALUATED WHETHER OR NOT THEY NEEDED A DRIVE THROUGH AT THIS LOCATION. 
          IT'S MY HOPE THAT ONCE THEY ARE IN OPERATION, THAT THEY WILL, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. 
          AND I, I WILL SAY THIS FOR THE APPLICANT TO HEAR ME, I'M HOPEFUL THAT IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A RENEWAL AT, AT THE END OF THIS PERIOD. 
          SO I HOPE THAT MY COMMISSIONERS, UH, WILL SUPPORT THE REQUEST, BUT I DO KNOW THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS RELATED TO DRIVE THROUGH USE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. RUBIN. 
          YEAH, I AM VERY RESPECTFULLY NOT GOING TO SUPPORT 
          [09:30:01]
THE MOTION. 
          I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER HANON AND I MAY SHARE MANY OF THE SAME CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, DRIVE-THROUGHS, IN FACT. 
          BUT I, I THINK I'VE REACHED THE POINT THAT WHEN WE HAVE A SUP FOR A NEW DRIVE THROUGH, IN PARTICULAR, OUTSIDE OF SOME PRETTY COMPELLING CIRCUMSTANCES, UM, I, I DON'T THINK I'M ABLE TO, UM, SUPPORT IT JUST BECAUSE OF ITS INCONSISTENCY WITH OTHER CITY POLICIES, YOU KNOW, RELATING TO THINGS LIKE CLIMATE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER, OTHER MATTERS LIKE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT. 
          SO I, I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S REALLY HARD WORK TO MAKE THIS, YOU KNOW, A BETTER DRIVE THROUGH, BUT I JUST THINK AT THIS POINT I'M NOT GONNA BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          BUT THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND I AM ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT TALKED WITH COMMISSIONER HAMPSON, WHO I HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESPECT FOR. 
          BUT MAPLE AVENUE, AS SHE MENTIONED, IS, UM, AT THE TOP OF THE CITY'S LIST FOR MOST DANGEROUS STREETS IN TERMS OF FATALITIES AND SEVERE INJURIES. 
          FROM 2020 TO 2024, THERE WERE 16 FATAL OR SEVERE INJURY CRASHES ON THE STRETCH OF MAPLE AVENUE, UM, BETWEEN OAKLAWN AND INWOOD. 
          AND, UM, 2024 IS NOT OVER YET. 
          THIS IS 23% MORE FATAL AND SEVERE INJURY CRASHES THAN THE SAME STRETCH OF CEDAR SPRINGS IN 45%. 
          MORE THAN A SIMILAR LENGTH OF SECTION ON HARRY HINES AROUND THE HOSPITALS IN THE SAME AREA. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, FROM 2015 TO 2019, THERE WERE 20 FATAL AND SEVERE CRASHES ON MAPLE AVENUE BETWEEN OAKLAWN AND INWOOD. 
          AND THAT RESULTED IN 14, UH, 14 RESULTED IN PEDESTRIANS BEING KILLED OR SERIOUSLY INJURED. 
          UH, I COULD GO ON ABOUT THE, UM, STATISTICS ON MAPLE AVENUE, BUT IT IS AT THE CITY'S TOP OF OUR VISION ZERO ACTION PLAN FOR A REASON. 
          THERE IS, THE CITY IS CURRENTLY UNDERGOING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UM, RECONFIGURING THIS STRETCH OF ROAD TO REDUCE IT FROM FOUR LANES TO THREE LANES WITH BIKE LANES, INCREASED PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE AND A DEDICATED TURN LANE WITH, UM, MODERN, UM, SIGNALING AND IMPROVED, UH, CROSSINGS IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THESE FATALITIES AND SEVERE INJURY CRASHES, IN MY ESTIMATION, ADDING ANOTHER, UH, CURB CUT AND VEHICULAR, UM, EXIT ONTO MAPLE AVENUE. 
          THIS PARTICULARLY THIS CLOSE TO AN INTERSECTION IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE THING WE SHOULD BE DOING. 
          THEREFORE, UM, I CANNOT SUPPORT THE MOTION. 
          UH, ALL OF THAT FEEDS INTO A GREATER THEME THAT DALLAS IS THE MOST DANGEROUS, UM, LARGE CITY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS IN TERMS OF, UH, ITS ROAD STRUCTURES. 
          AND ITS IN THE TOP 10 MOST DANGEROUS CITIES IN TERMS OF ITS ROADS, UM, IN TERMS OF FATALITIES AND SERIOUS INJURIES IN THE UNITED STATES. 
          AND THAT IS DIRECTLY BECAUSE OF THE WAY WE DESIGN OUR STREETS AND THE INTERACTIONS WITH, UH, SURROUNDING LAND USES WITH OUR STREETS. 
          SO TO, TO COMMISSIONER RUBIN'S POINT, THIS IS EXACTLY THE TYPE OF USE THAT WE SHOULD REALLY CONSIDER STRONGLY NOT DOING IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND I THINK WHEN WE GIVE AN SUP AND ALLOW SOMEONE TO BUILD IT, IT DOESN'T GO AWAY. 
          IT DOESN'T GO AWAY IN THREE YEARS. 
          THAT'S NOT EVEN TO MENTION THE CLIMATE ISSUES THAT WE ENCOURAGE, UM, OR THAT, THAT WE PRODUCE WHEN WE CREATE DRIVE-THROUGHS. 
          SO I, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          I WOULD OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO GET RID OF THE DRIVE THROUGH AND KEEP THE BANK IS NOT ACCEPTED. 
          . 
          I LIKE THAT. 
          UM, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? JUST A QUICK ONE, PLEASE. 
          YEAH, SO I, I DO UNDERSTAND AND ALMOST AGREE WITH THE NO DRIVE ROUTE, ROUTE THING. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE HISTORY OF WHY THE ATM WAS CREATED AND THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IN BANKS AS AFRICAN-AMERICANS, UM, AND THE SAFETY WE, UM, WE LEAN ON THROUGH THE DRIVE-THROUGH, UM, IN, UM, DANGEROUS NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UM, NOT SAYING MAPLE IS ONE OF THEM. 
          UH, THO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS I'M LEERY 
          [09:35:01]
OF WHEN TALKING ABOUT REMOVING OF DRIVE-THROUGH FROM FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS. 
          UM, BUT JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON RECORD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER, ARE YOU THERE? UH, ON ONE HAND I THINK WE NEED A, THE DRIVE THROUGH, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, MAPLE, ESPECIALLY IN THIS AREA, MAPLE, UH, IN THIS, ESPECIALLY IN THIS AREA, MAPLE, MAPLE IS CONGESTED AND RE UM, IT IS NOT LIKE HIS SISTER SEAT, UH, STREET CEDAR SPRINGS. 
          UM, I KIND OF TRAVEL THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES A WEEK AND IT'S BOUND TO BE AN ACCIDENT IN THAT TURNING LANE, UM, AND THE HEAVY CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO I'M KINDA ON THE FENCE. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT BANK IS THIS? MAYBE I'M LOOKING WELL, IS THE BANK ALREADY IN OPERATION? OH, IT'S A VACANT SITE. 
          THEY'RE BUILDING THIS AND THEY WANT, SO THE, THE BANK IS NOT IN OPERATION ALREADY. 
          IT'S, IT NOT AT THIS LOCATION. 
          THE BANK ITSELF HAS OTHER, UM, YEAH, BRANCHES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          . 
          THE WORD WOULD NOT COME. 
          I'M FORTUNATE THERE'S MULTIPLE BANKS IN THIS AREA. 
          I CAN'T, I, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT BECAUSE THERE'S MULTIPLE BANKS IN THIS AREA THAT DOESN'T, THAT DO NOT HAVE DRIVE THROUGH. 
          UM, IF THIS WAS MAYBE A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN, MAYBE GOING BACK TO TOWARD WARD, UM, OAK LAWN OR GOING BACK TO WARD, UM, THE MEDICAL DISTRICT, SOME, BUT THIS PORTION OF , I CAN'T SUPPORT IT. 
          I CAN UNDERSTAND. 
          AND ONLY BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC, NOT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT IT NEEDS JUST TO TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT IN THAT AREA THAT IS TOO CONGESTED TO SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE TAKE A RECORD VOTE UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, PLEASE. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          PARDON ME. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT? WE DIDN'T CATCH THAT. 
          CAN WE CLARIFY THE VOTE? I'M SORRY. 
          YES. 
          WE HAVE A, A, A MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, UH, TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, EXCUSE ME, FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF THE, UH, PD SUBDISTRICT 1 45, SUBJECT TO STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AS WELL AS THE SUP FOR A, UM, LOAN OFFICE WITH A DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW OF SERVICE FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN AND STAFFS FROM COMMITTED CONDITIONS, AS WELL AS THE, I THINK FOUR ADDITIONAL CHANGES, UH, AS READ INTO THE RECORD BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. 
          UH, WILL TAKE A RECORD VOTE. 
          DISTRICT ONE? NO. 
          YES. 
          OH, DISTRICT TWO? YES. 
          HE SAID YES. 
          DISTRICT THREE? YES. 
          DISTRICT FOUR? YES. 
          DISTRICT FIVE? NO. 
          DISTRICT SIX. 
          DISTRICT SEVEN. 
          DISTRICT EIGHT? NO. 
          DISTRICT NINE ABSENT. 
          DISTRICT 10. 
          YES. 
          DISTRICT 11. 
          VACANT. 
          DISTRICT 12, YES. 
          DISTRICT 13. 
          YES. 
          DISTRICT 14 AND PLACE 15, NO MOTION PASSES. 
          UH, 
          [23. 24-3745 An application for a Specific Use Permit for a community service center on property zoned a R-5(A) Single Family Subdistrict within Planned Development District No. 595, the South Dallas/Fair Park Special Purpose District, on the southwest line of Carter Street, between Wahoo Street and Spring Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a ten-year period, subject to a site plan and staff’s recommended conditions. Applicant: Zan Wesley Homes, Jr. Community Outreach Center Representative: Rob Baldwin, Baldwin Associates Planner: LeQuan Clinton Council District: 7 Z234-296(LC) 24-3745 ]
CASE 23, MR. CHAIR, WHAT WAS THE FINAL COUNT? UH, SEVEN IN FAVOR. 
          FIVE IN OPPOSITION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 23 KZ 2 34 DASH 2 96, AND APPLICATION FOUR. 
          A SPECIFIC SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF CARTER STREET BETWEEN WAHOO STREET AND SPRING AVENUE STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. 
          SO THE APPLICANT IS HERE. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          ROB BALDWIN. 
          3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS. 
          I CAN DO YOU A FAVOR AND NOT DO MY PRESENTATION. 
          YOU'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME. 
          UM, I AM DOING VOLUNTEER WORK WITH TREK, WHO'S HELPING, UH, THE ZEN WESLEY HOMES COMMUNITY CENTER IN THIS REQUEST. 
          THEY'RE CURRENTLY ACROSS THE STREET IN THE FRAZIER ELEMENTARY. 
          THEY WANT TO MOVE A ACROSS THE STREET AND 
          [09:40:01]
RE REDO THIS OLD CHURCH THAT HAS BEEN INHABITED FOR A WHILE. 
          AND TO DO THAT, THEY NEED A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE REQUEST IS, STAFF SUPPORTED AND NEIGHBORS SUPPORTING IT. 
          AND NOT ONLY THAT, IT'S ON A REAL COOL STREET NAMED WAHOO. 
          SO THAT MAKES ME HAPPY EVERY TIME I SEE THAT. 
          UH, I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THE PRESENTATION IF YOU WANNA SEE SOME VISUALS, BUT I THINK YOU, YOU GOT A GOOD SENSE OF THIS DURING THE BRIEFING SESSION. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS REQUEST. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FROM MR. BALDWIN? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT, THAT IT IS LATE AND THAT YOU DON'T WANT, AND THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO HOLD US HOSTAGE, BUT SOME OF MY FELLOW, UM, COMMISSIONERS DID HAVE QUESTIONS ON EXACTLY WHAT IS X, UH, WHAT DO THEY OFFER AND WHAT DID OFFER, AND WHAT PRESENTLY, WHAT DO THEY OFFER AND WHAT WOULD THEY BE DOING AT THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY? WELL, THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MISSION STATEMENT OF THE ZAN WESLEY HOMES JUNIOR, UH, HOMES JUNIOR COMMUNITY ROUTE, WHERE YOU SAID IT OFFERS PATHWAYS TO COMMUNITY ENRICHMENT VIA PROGRAMS AND FINANCIAL LITERACY, ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND WORKFORCE PATHWAYS. 
          SO THEY TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO TRAIN, INTERVIEW AND, UH, GET JOBS AND DETERMINE HOW, TEACH 'EM HOW TO BE ENTREPRENEURS BY TEACHING FINANCIAL LITERACY AND, UH, HOW TO DO BUSINESS PLANS AND THE LIKE. 
          AND THEY ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST HELP PEOPLE, BOTH YOUNG AND OLD, UH, YOU KNOW, BETTER THEMSELVES IN, IN THE WORLD. 
          AND THEY'VE BEEN IN THERE A LONG TIME, AND THIS IS JUST A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR 'EM. 
          SO I HOPE YOU CAN HELP, UH, HELP THEM BY SUPPORTING THIS REQUEST. 
          HOW, HOW LONG HAVE THEY BEEN IN OPERATIONS AT THE CURRENT LOCATION? UM, AT, UH, JULIUS FRAZIER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, I WANNA SAY AT LEAST 10 YEARS. 
          BUT I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I, I, I COULD HAVE MISTAKEN THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND HAVE THERE BEEN ANY COMMUNITY, UM, IN IN COMMUNITY MEETINGS? YES, MA'AM. 
          THERE'S BEEN, UH, I HAVE NOT PARTICIPATED IN ANY, BUT I'VE SPOKEN WITH, UH, THE, MY FRIENDS AT TREK AND THEY'VE HAD AT LEAST THREE, ONE AS LATE AS LAST WEEK. 
          UH, AND IT WAS VERY POSITIVE. 
          ARE THEY CURRENTLY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH, UM, WITH FRAZIER? I MEAN, THE IAC THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND WOULD YOU ALL BE PROPOSED TO A LONGER SUP? WE WOULD LOVE A LONGER SUP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? UM, YEAH, I, I'M GOING TO MOVE TO CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING, FOLLOW A STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, BUT TO GIVE A LONGER SUP, UM, I KNOW THIS IS A NEW SUP, BUT, UM, I'M GOING TO, UH, AND IF I CAN GET A SECOND, AN APPROVAL OF A SUP FOR A 20 YEAR PERIOD. 
           PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. 
          YOU DO, IN FACT, HAVE A SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR YOUR MOTION AND VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          UH, ANY COMMENTS? I WANNA THANK, UM, I KNOW THE REPRESENTATIVE, IS HE GONE? HE HAD TO LEAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, HE HAD TO LEAVE. 
          UM, SO, UM, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, JULIUS FRAZIER ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, ONE OF THE SCHOOLS THAT WERE SHUT DOWN, UM, AS, AND PARTICULARLY WAS NOT SOLD, BUT IT WAS ON THE SELLING BLOCK IN SOUTH DALLAS. 
          QUITE A BIT OF OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND OUR JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN SOLD TO, UM, PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS. 
          BUT THIS PARTICULAR, UM, INSTEAD OF FRAZIER, I MEAN, UM, ZAN WESLEY HOMES BUYING IT, THEY WENT INTO A PARTNERSHIP WITH DISD AND THEM GOING, BEING ABLE TO USE THIS FACILITY, DISD FACILITY CURRENTLY, AND NOW PURCHASING A CHURCH THAT I AM 48 YEARS OLD, I CANNOT REMEMBER IT EVER BEING OPEN. 
          UM, A COUPLE OF FRIENDS OF MINES, COLLEAGUES OF MINES THAT LIVE IN THE AREA CANNOT EVEN REMEMBER IT BEING OPEN, UM, AS KIDS THEIRSELVES. 
          SO THEM, UM, NOT ONLY ARE THEY NOT TEARING IT DOWN, THEY'RE RED, THEY'RE USING REDUCTIVE REUSE AND, UM, IT'S GONNA ADD TO IT. 
          SO THE LONGER SUP IS NOT BECAUSE, NOT SO MUCH BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN, UM, 'CAUSE THEY'RE NEW, BUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THIS WORK AND RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, CRIME HAS DECREASED. 
          UM, ON COLLEGE STREET, THERE WAS CRIME RIDDEN AND, UM, I'M GONNA SAY BECAUSE OF THESE TYPE OF, UM, ORGANIZATIONS COMING INTO THE COMMUNITY AND WORKING ALONGSIDE AND NOT TRYING TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THIS COMMUNITY, BUT WORKING ALONG WITH MILL CITY. 
          SO I'M HAPPY TO WELCOME THEM INTO THEIR OWN FACILITY AND THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER, UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO 
          [09:45:01]
CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING, FALSE FOR RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL, BUT FOR A 20 YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? AYE. 
          AYES HAVE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          [24. 24-3746 An application for a Historic Overlay for the Bianchi House (4503 Reiger Avenue), on property zoned Planned Development District No. 98, for residential uses at the intersection of Reiger Avenue and North Carroll Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to preservation criteria. Landmark Commission Recommendation: Approval, subject to preservation criteria, with a proposed edit. Applicant: 4503 REIGER LLC Representative: Norman Alston, FAIA Planner: Rhonda Dunn, Ph.D. U/A From: November 7, 2024. Council District: 2 Z189-161(RD) 24-3746 ]
GO TO NUMBER 24. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          THIS IS DR. 
          RHONDA DUNN, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF PRESENTING AGENDA ITEM 24, ZONING CASE Z 180 9 DASH 1 61 RD. 
          THE REQUEST IS FOR AN APPLICATION FOR HISTORIC OVERLAY FOR THE BIANCHI HOUSE 45 0 3 REGER AVENUE ON PROPERTY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 98 FOR RESIDENTIAL USES AT THE INTERSECTION OF REGER AVENUE AND NORTH CARROLL AVENUE. 
          STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO PRESERVATION CRITERIA. 
          LANDMARK COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO PRESERVATION CRITERIA WITH A PROPOSED EDIT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, DR. 
          DO IS THE APPLICANT HERE WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD? NO. 
          NO. 
          AWESOME. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. 
          SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? I DO. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF Z 180 9 DASH 1 61, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST SUBJECT TO STAFF AND LANDMARK COMMISSION, UM, PRESERVATION CRITERIA AND THE PROPOSED EDIT. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HARA FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY COMMENTS? EXCITED THAT THIS IS MOVING FORWARD AS WE ALL THOUGHT IT HAD DONE? ME TOO. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CATCH COMMISSIONER HAMPTON THE LAST TIME AROUND. 
          UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [25. 24-3747 Consideration of amending Chapters 51 and 51A of the Dallas City Code regarding off-street parking and loading requirements, including Sections 51A-1.102 and 51A-1.101, “Applicability and Purpose”; Section 51A-2.102 and 51-2.102, “Definitions”; Division 51A-4.110, “Residential Zoning Districts”; Division 51A-4.120, “Nonresidential Zoning Districts”; Division 51A-4.200 and 51-4.200, “Use Regulations”; Division 51A-4.300, “Off-Street Parking and Loading Regulations”; Division 51A-4.320, “Special Parking Regulations”; Division 51A-4.330, “Bicycle Parking Regulations”; Section 51A-4.505, “Conservation Districts”; Section 51A-4.702, “Planned Development (PD) District Regulations”; Division 51A-4.800 and 51-4.800, “Development Impact Review”; Section 51A-4.1106, “Development Regulations” and 51A-4.1107, “Design Standards”; Division 51A-13.300, “District Regulations”; Division 51A-13.400, “Parking Regulations”; Division 51A-13.700, “Administration”, and related sections regarding minimum off-street parking and loading requirements, including establishing a Transportation Demand Management Plan and off-street parking design standards. Staff Recommendation: Approval of staff’s recommended amendments. Zoning Ordinance Advisory Committee Recommendation: Approval of ZOAC’s recommended amendments. Planner: Michael T. Wade Council District: All DCA190-002(MTW) 24-3747 ]
NOW GO TO OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT. 
          UH, CODE DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS. 
          , PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'RE JUST LOCATING THE, UH, PRESENTATION. 
          OH GOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND GOOD EVENING, MICHAEL WADE, UH, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT TO BRIEF VERY, VERY QUICKLY ON DCA 1 9 0 0 0 2 OFF STREET PARKING AND LOADING CODE AMENDMENT. 
          THIS IS JUST GONNA BE THE HIGH POINTS. 
          THIS CODE AMENDMENT BASICALLY HAS THREE CATEGORIES OF SECTIONS, THE TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT PLAN, PARKING MINIMUMS, AND PARKING DESIGN. 
          I'LL JUST WALK VERY BRIEFLY THROUGH THE STEPS OF THE TDMP TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S VERY CLEAR, IT'S A NEW CONCEPT AND THEN HIT PARKING MINIMUMS IN DESIGN. 
          THERE ARE FOUR, UH, PLACES OF STAFF RECOMMENDED REVISIONS THAT I'LL POINT OUT THE PURPOSE OF THE TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT PLAN, ADDING PREDICTABLE, TRANSPARENT EXPECTATIONS FOR TRANSPORTATION PLANNING INTO THE CODE AND CAUSING DEVELOPERS TO HELP REDUCE VEHICLE CONGESTION THAT THE PRO THAT THE PROJECT WOULD CAUSE. 
          THIS IS JUST VERY EASILY DIVIDED UP INTO TWO DIFFERENT STEPS. 
          DURING THE SITE PLAN REVIEW, DEVELOPERS SUBMITS A SUSTAINABLE MODES ANALYSIS, EVALUATING SIDEWALKS, TRANSIT ROUTES, AND BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND THEIR SITE AND HOW 
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THIS INFRASTRUCTURE INTERPLAYS WITH THE PROJECT. 
          THIS INCLUDES TEXT DESCRIBING THE EXISTING AND PLANNED ENVIRONMENT AND IMAGES FROM CITY DART AND OTHER RESOURCES DISPLAYING EXISTING AND PLANNED INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THEN THEY SHOW US THEIR, UH, PLAN TO USE SUSTAINABLE TRANSPORTATION MODES TO REDUCE TRAFFIC CAUSED BY THE PROJECT. 
          THEY CAN CHOOSE FROM STRATEGIES PROVIDED BY THE CITY OR SUBMIT THEIR OWN IDEAS FOR EVALUATION. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF CUSTOMIZE CUSTOMIZABILITY. 
          EACH PROJECT IS ASSIGNED A TARGET NUMBER OF POINTS PUBLISHED IN THE COUNCIL ADOPTED GUIDE. 
          THE DEVELOPER CHOOSES STRATEGIES TO IMPLEMENT UNTIL THEY REACH THE POINT TARGET. 
          GENERALLY, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF THRESHOLDS TO DIFFERENT REVIEWS FOR A MINOR REVIEW. 
          IT'S JUST, UH, PRODUCING YOUR SUSTAINABLE MODES ANALYSIS AND TDMP STRATEGIES. 
          UM, THE PROJECT THRESHOLDS FOR THAT ARE IF YOU'RE ADDING BETWEEN 20 AND 139 NEW, AND THIS SHOULD BE MULTIFAMILY DWELLING UNITS AND, UH, PROJECTS RESULTING IN BETWEEN 20,090 9,999 SQUARE FEET OF NON-RESIDENTIAL SPACE. 
          UH, IF YOU ARE DOING A MORE INTENSE REVIEW, UH, A MORE INTENSE PROJECT, EXCUSE ME, THEN YOU UNDERGO A MAJOR REVIEW, WHICH IS THE SAME THING. 
          SUSTAINABLE MODES ANALYSIS. 
          CHOOSE YOUR TDMP STRATEGIES AND THEN UNDERGO A TRAFFIC STUDY. 
          THE THRESHOLDS FOR THIS, ADDING 140 OR MORE NEW MULTIFAMILY UNITS, ADDING OR EXPANDING A DRIVE THROUGH OR DRIVE IN RESULT, ANY PROJECT RESULTING IN 100,000 OR MORE SQUARE FEET OF NON-RESIDENTIAL SPACE, ADDING OR EXPANDING A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE OR OUTSIDE LAND. 
          USE ANY PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SCHOOL IN ANY PROJECT THAT RESULTS IN OVER 99 PARKING SPACES. 
          THIS IS THE MOMENT OF, UH, FIRST STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO CURRENTLY THE ZO OAC RECOMMENDATION INCLUDES A DISCRETIONARY REVIEW WHERE THE DIRECTOR CHOOSES ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION TO SUBMIT AND PARTICULAR TDMP STRATEGIES APPROPRIATE, UM, FOR THE TRAFFIC GENERATION IN THAT CONTEXT. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO EXCLUDE THIS REVIEW TO ADD PREDICTABILITY TO THE PROGRAM. 
          THERE ARE TWO PORTIONS. 
          THERE'S THE PORTION THAT IS BEING REVIEWED TODAY THAT WOULD BE ADOPTED INTO THE CODE, AND THEN A GUIDE THAT WOULD BE ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION. 
          THE CODE INCLUDES, UH, BASIC CHAPTER 51, A LEGISLATION OF THE PROCESS COMPLIANCE ENFORCEMENT PROJECT, THRESHOLDS AND REVIEW TYPES. 
          THE GUIDE ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION INCLUDES THE POINT TARGETS MENU OF AVAILABLE STRATEGIES AND A STEP-BY-STEP WALKTHROUGH. 
          THE GUIDE IS NEARING 99% COMPLETION. 
          WE'RE WORKING HARD ON THAT. 
          UH, IT WILL GO BEFORE A SECOND ROUND OF REVIEW BY THE GREATER DALLAS PLANNING COUNCIL'S PARKING COMMITTEE, UH, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          I WAS TALKING WITH THE HEAD OF THAT TODAY, AND WE'RE SETTING THAT UP ASAP. 
          THE CITY WILL SET UP A ONE STOP ONLINE PLATFORM TO MAKE THIS A VERY EASY PROCESS. 
          TDMP STRATEGIES ARE GENERALLY DIVIDED UP INTO CATEGORIES SUCH AS TRANSIT, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, LOCATIONAL EFFICIENCY, LOADING MANAGEMENT, AND SOME EXAMPLES ARE AN ADDITIONAL BIKE SPACE, A BIKE REPAIR FACILITY, UH, SUBSIDIZING DART PASSES FOR RESIDENTS OR EMPLOYEES PROVIDING SHUTTLE OR CAR SHARE SERVICES. 
          EXCEPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE TO THIS. 
          YOU CAN APPLY FOR A WAIVER. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT'S A SMALL RESIDENTIAL PROJECT, THERE'S JUST NO SUSTAINABLE MODE. 
          INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE APPLY FOR THE WAIVER COMPLIANCE, UH, ANNUAL AUDITS ARE REQUIRED AFTERWARDS. 
          AFTER THE, UM, AWARDING OF THE C OF O STAFF CAN VISIT AND INSPECT. 
          THE, UH, BUILDING PERMIT DEPENDS ON APPROVAL OF YOUR PLAN. 
          AND THEN CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY DEPENDS ON, UM, UH, EXCUSE ME, ON IMPLEMENTATION OF THE STRATEGIES. 
          THIS IS THE POINT OF THE SECOND STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 
          UH, WE ALSO RECOMMEND INCLUDING A REQUIREMENT THAT A PROPERTY OWNER WORK WITH THE CITY TO REMEDIATE OVER SPILL PARKING NUISANCES. 
          THIS IS A PROGRAM WITH A LOT OF PRECEDENT AROUND THE WORLD. 
          THIS IS JUST 72 CITIES AROUND THE WORLD. 
          UH, THIS TOOK ME ABOUT 10 MINUTES TO FIND ONLINE. 
          I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE A LOT MORE. 
          THIS COVERS THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, SWEDEN, UK, AUSTRALIA, ET CETERA. 
          TURNING TO PARKING MINIMUMS, VERY BASICALLY, THIS PROPOSAL WOULD REDUCE PARKING MINIMUMS TO ZERO FOR EVERY LAND USE IN CHAPTER 51 A. 
          THIS PROPOSAL DOES NOT REMOVE PARKING SPACES OR AT A MAXIMUM TO PARKING SPACES. 
          THIS INTERACTS WITH PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS. 
          UH, THOSE PDS WITH CUSTOMIZED PARKING MINIMUMS, UH, WOULD REMAIN IN EFFECT. 
          THERE ARE OTHER PDS THAT JUST, UH, REFER RIGHT TO 51 A THAT WOULD FOLLOW 51. 
          A ADMINISTRATIVE AND BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT REDUCTIONS ARE CURRENTLY PROHIBITED FROM APPLYING TO PDS. 
          WITH THIS PROPOSAL, UH, IT WOULD ALLOW THESE REDUCTIONS TO APPLY TO PDS WHEN THE EXISTING DESCRIBED CRITERIA ARE MET QUICKLY ON LOADING MINIMUMS. UM, THE ONLY PROPOSAL, UH, HERE FOR LOADING MINIMUMS 
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INVOLVES MULTIFAMILY. 
          CURRENTLY, THERE ARE NO MINIMUM LOADING SPACE SPACES REQUIRED. 
          UH, THE ZAC RECOMMENDATION IS THAT ADEQUATE OFF STREET SPACE FOR LOADING MUST BE PROVIDED AT THE DIRECTOR'S DISCRETION. 
          UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS, INSTEAD OF REQUIRING KIND OF AN AMBIGUOUS, ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF LOADING SPACES, SIMPLY REQUIRE DEVELOPERS TO SHOW ON THEIR SITE PLAN, HOW THEY PLAN TO MANAGE LOADING AND UNLOADING FOR MULTIFAMILY, A FEW PARKING, UH, PARKING DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          AND THEN WE'RE DONE LIMITS TO CURB CUTS FOR LOTS WITH ONE TO FOUR UNIT DWELLINGS. 
          THAT IS SIZE AND NUMBER USE OF ANY ALLEYWAYS THAT IS ALLOWING USE OF ANY ALLEYWAYS FOR ENTRANCES TO PARKING AREAS REGARDLESS OF ADJACENT ZONING. 
          A REQUIREMENT TO ADD PEDESTRIAN PATHS THROUGH PARKING LOTS THROUGH LARGE PARKING LOTS. 
          PARKING IN ONE FRONT SETBACK IS PROHIBITED. 
          UH, WE ARE CLEANING UP AND TIGHTENING UP THE BICYCLE PARKING REGULATIONS. 
          AND THEN A REQUIREMENT THAT SURFACE WATER FROM PARKING MAY NOT DRAIN ACROSS THE SURFACE OF SIDEWALKS. 
          THIS IS THE PLACE OF THE FOURTH STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND STAFF'S ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION TO ZAC. 
          UH, IT INCLUDED A REQUIREMENT THAT PARKING IS LOCATED TO THE REAR SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          THAT IS STILL STAFF'S PREFERRED. 
          AND ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATION, UH, THAT'S COME UP SINCE THAT IS PRETTY GOOD MIDDLE PLACE IS TO INCENTIVIZE LOCATING PARKING TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING BY ALLOWING PORCHES, STOOPS, AND OTHER LOW BUILDING EL ELEMENTS TO BE CONSTRUCTED WITHIN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE BRIEF BRIEFING, UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY BRIEF QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          UH, WE WILL BEGIN WITH OUR, OUR PUBLIC SPEAKERS. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US AND STAYING WITH US THIS EVENING. 
          UM, MR. LOPEZ IS GONNA KEEP TIME. 
          WE'LL GO WITH, UH, ONE MINUTE PER SPEAKER AND ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK CAN PLEASE COME ON DOWN AND WE CAN LINE UP THERE AND, AND, UH, IT COULD BE AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE. 
          GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS DAVID LADY DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS FOR THE DALLAS BUILDERS ASSOCIATION. 
          UH, WE RESIDE OUR OFFICE OF 58 16, UH, WEST PLANO PARKWAY, UH, PLANO 7 5 0 9 3. 
          UH, THE DALLAS BUILDERS ASSOCIATION IS HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT. 
          UH, WE AGREE WITH IMPROVING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS BY REMOVING PARKING MINIMUMS. UH, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE DO NOT SEE THIS AS TAKING AWAY PARKING OR PARKING SPACES. 
          RATHER, IT FREES UP STAFF, THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPMENT SECTOR TO, UH, BETTER APPROPRIATE PARKING AS NEEDED FOR, ESPECIALLY FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS. 
          UH, UH, IT BASICALLY PROVIDES THE FREEDOM FOR THEM TO AVOID UNNEEDED OVER PARKING. 
          AND THAT ALSO HELPS US AS WE MEET OTHER ISSUES LIKE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UH, OUR MEMBERS WILL STILL BE PROVIDING PARKING, ESPECIALLY FOR THE MULTIFAMILY, UH, THAT IS SIMPLY DUE TO MARKET DEMAND. 
          UH, WHEN YOU PLACE THEM THERE, THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO PARK THEIR CAR WITH THEM WHERE THEY LIVE. 
          UH, WE DID HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT. 
          THANK YOUR TIME IS UP DEMAND PLAN AND, UH, WE ARE UNDERSTOOD THAT IT IS NOT APPLIED TO SINGLE FAMILY. 
          SO THE ONE MINUTE GOES BY REALLY QUICK, SIR. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANKS SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE DID RECEIVE YOUR LETTER. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          THANKS FOR STICKING WITH US THIS EVENING. 
          GRATEFUL TO BE HERE. 
          MY NAME IS KATIE O'BRIEN. 
          I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE REAL ESTATE COUNSEL, WHICH IS LOCATED AT 3,100 MCKINNON SUITE 11 57 5 2 0 1. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF REMOVING PARKING MINIMUMS FROM CHAPTER 51. 
          A TREK IS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF REMOVING THEM FROM THE DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          THE CURRENT PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE A KEY DRIVER TO HIGHER CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND A BARRIER TO NEW CONSTRUCTION, PARTICULARLY OF HOUSING ACROSS OUR CITY. 
          I WANNA STRESS THAT BY REMOVING THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT WILL NOT LEAD TO A PARKING SHORTAGE. 
          TREK REPRESENTS OVER 2000 PROFESSIONALS AND OVER 600 MEMBER COMPANIES IN THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY. 
          THESE PROFESSIONALS WILL CONTINUE TO DESIGN AND BUILD FOR A PROJECT TO BE SUCCESSFUL, WHICH MEANS THERE'LL BE ENOUGH PARKING FOR RESTAURANTS, SMALL RETAIL BUSINESSES, AND MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS TO BE FULLY LEASED, VISITED, AND ACCESSIBLE. 
          UM, WHILE WE'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PRIMARY OBJECTIVE, WE'RE STILL CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL ITEMS. THANK YOUR TIME IS UP ITEMS AND WE'LL WORK WITH STAFF ON SOME FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          BRIAN TONY, 1500 PECO STREET. 
          I'M HERE 
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ON BEHALF OF THE DALLAS HOUSING COALITION AND OUR 270 PLUS MEMBERS HOPEFULLY ENJOYED YOUR COPIES OF THE BOOK WE BROUGHT TWO WEEKS AGO. 
          SORRY, I COULDN'T SAY FOR THE MEETING. 
          WE HAD A HOUSING SUMMIT WITH OVER 280 PEOPLE THAT WE HAD TO ATTEND SHOWING THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS ISSUE TO DALLAS RESIDENTS. 
          ACCORDING TO BUILDERS OF HOPE'S, ANTI DISPLACEMENT TOOLKIT, BY 2032, ONLY 21% OF RENTERS WILL AFFORD THEIR RENTAL UNITS. 
          ONLY 2% OF DALLAS HOME BUYERS WILL BE ABLE TO AFFORD A HOME. 
          IT'S ALMOST NEW YEAR'S. 
          WE ARE SEVEN SHORT YEARS IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AWAY FROM THAT REALITY WHERE THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN DALLAS CANNOT AFFORD TO RENT OR OWN. 
          THAT IS WHY NOW IS THE TIME TO DO BE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO LOWER THE COST OF HOUSING. 
          AND BY REMOVING PARKING MANDATES CITYWIDE, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT IN ONE FELL SWOOP. 
          LET'S FLIP THE SCRIPT WHERE INSTEAD OF LIVING IN A COUNTRY WHERE YOU HAVE MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF PARKING PER CAPITA, WE HAVE MORE HOUSING THAN PARKING PER CAPITA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DALLAS IS BIG ENOUGH FOR EVERYONE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING HEEL. 
          COLORADO 1509 MAIN STREET DISTRICT 14 IN SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THE CODE AMENDMENT TO ELIMINATED PARKING MINIMUMS AND REFORM OUR OFF STREETT PARKING STANDARDS. 
          WHEN I FIRST MOVED BACK TO DALLAS PROPER THREE YEARS AGO, I WAS TOLD NO ONE JUST MOVES TO DALLAS WITHOUT A CAR LIKE EVERYBODY NEEDS ONE. 
          YEAH, WITHIN A MONTH OF LIVING IN LOWEST GREENVILLE, I MET SOMEONE WHO MOVED HERE FROM BOSTON WITH, THEY HAD A CAR BEFORE THEY MOVED TO DALLAS AND THEY GOT RID OF THEIR CAR BECAUSE THEY HAPPENED TO FIND A PLACE THAT WAS BUILT FOR THEM. 
          IT HAD A BUS ROUTE TO WORK, IT HAD, IT WAS WALKABLE TO A SPROUTS AND MULTIPLE GROCERY STORES. 
          I KNOW YOU WILL HAVE THIS QUESTION IN YOUR HEAD, IS DALLAS READY FOR PARKING REFORM? YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THIS IS A SELF-FULFILLING PROPHECY IF YOU BUILD THE CITY THAT YOU WANT. 
          NOT ONLY WILL THE PEOPLE ADAPT BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS, BUT IT'LL ATTRACT THE BEHAVIOR AND THE PEOPLE AND THE ECONOMIES AND THE ACTIVITIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOUR TIME THAT YOU DESIRE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS IAN SIEMENS, 1201 EAST PARK BOULEVARD, PLANO, TEXAS. 
          I'M THE DALLAS CITY HALL ADVOCATE FOR ENVIRONMENT TEXAS, A NONPROFIT WORKING FOR CLEAN AIR, CLEAN WATER, OPEN SPACES, AND A LIVABLE CLIMATE FOR ALL TEXANS. 
          DALLAS IS OVER PARKED, UH, TO QUOTE MICHAEL FROM ZAC, EARLIER THIS YEAR, CONCLUSIONS FROM NCT COGS WORK MATCHED THOSE FOUND BY THE CITY OF DALLAS STAFF PARKING FOR LOCAL DISTRICTS. 
          MAIN STREET, LIKE CORRIDORS AND TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENTS TEND TO EITHER BE ADEQUATE FOR AUTO DEMAND OR EVEN FAR SURPASS IT. 
          EMPTY PARKING SPACES SERVE NO ONE. 
          THE UNNECESSARY IMPERVIOUS SURFACES WORSEN FLASH FLOODING, CARRY POLLUTANTS STRAIGHT INTO OUR WATERWAYS. 
          THE EXCESS CONCRETE AND ASPHALT WORSENED DALLAS' HEAT ISLAND EFFECT. 
          IF DALLAS WANTS TO MEET OUR CCA GOALS TO REDUCE SINGLE OCCUPANCY VEHICLE TRAVEL BY 88% TODAY, UH, TO 62% BY 2050, REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF IMPAIRED WATERWAYS BY A HUNDRED PERCENT AND REDUCE OUR URBAN HEAT INDEX BY 75% BY 2050. 
          WE NEED TO SIMPLIFY OUR SYSTEM WITH COMMON SENSE POLICIES LIKE THOSE PROPOSED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOUR TIME IS UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          HI, GOOD EVENING, CA, CITY COUNCIL. 
          MY NAME IS JAMIE CAMPOS. 
          I USE THEY, THEM THEIR PRONOUNS. 
          I AM A LICENSED THERAPIST AND A CLIMATE CHANGE MENTAL HEALTH RESEARCHER HERE IN THE DALLAS-FORT WORTH AREA. 
          FOR THE POPULATION THAT I SERVE. 
          THE MOST PERVASIVE CONCERN I DO HAVE AMONG THE YOUNGER CLIENTS THAT I WORK WITH IS THAT THEY HAVE CONCERNS, UM, IMAGINING THEIR FUTURES, WHETHER IT BE AFFORDING THEIR OWN HOMES SOMEDAY, UH, TRAVELING TO SEE THIS WONDROUS WORLD, UM, OR DEVELOPING NORMAL RELATIONSHIPS AMID THIS, UH, CLIMATE CRISIS. 
          UM, AS A COUNSELOR MYSELF, I HAVE SPENT ABOUT $150,000 TO BECOME A LICENSED THERAPIST. 
          AND I MYSELF AM STILL STRUGGLING TO STABLY AFFORD, UH, CONSISTENT HOUSING AND FOOD, UM, WHICH IS, UH, CONCERNING, UM, BY ELIMINATING THESE PARKING MINIMUMS AS A SMALL AND WAY OVERDUE GESTURE NEEDED TO ENSURE THAT UTILIZING OUR DALLAS URBAN SPACE IS GOING TO BE EFFECTIVELY SERVING THE, THE DIVERSITY OF ITS PEOPLE BY ELIMINATING PARKING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOUR TIME IS UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          I THINK THE MICROPHONE TURNED OFF, SIR. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          IT'S AGAIN PERFECT. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          HI, I'M CHANCE. 
          UH, I AM, UH, FROM EAST DALLAS AND I AM HERE ON BEHALF 
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OF SUNRISE TODAY. 
          UH, THIS IS THE BRIDGE VERSION, BUT, UH, I'M HERE OF COURSE IN SUPPORT OF THE REMOVAL PARKING MINIMUMS. UH, A PERSONAL STORY THAT I HAD WAS THE BIG FREEZE. 
          UH, DURING THAT TIME, MANY OF US LOST POWER. 
          I LOST MINE FOR ABOUT THREE AND A HALF DAYS, AND DURING THAT TIME, WE DID HAVE TO GO INTO A NEARBY SHOPPING CENTER VERY BRIEFLY TO GET SOME GAS. 
          AND WHENEVER WE WENT THERE, I NOTICED THAT ALL THE PARKING LOTS WERE LIT UP, ALL THIS ELECTRICITY WAS GOING TO THIS WHILE THE REST OF US WERE DEALING WITH THE ROLLING BLACKOUTS. 
          AND, UH, IT WAS KIND OF THIS REALIZATION THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PRIORITY PUT ONTO PAR PARKING. 
          AND, UH, THAT IS WHY I AM PRETTY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS IN, UH, NOT ADDING MORE PARKING AREA THAT WILL CONSUME MORE ENERGY AND CONTRIBUTE MORE TO CLIMATE CHANGE IN THE FUTURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, DALLAS, WE ARE STANDING AT A CROSSROADS BETWEEN TRADITION AND TRANSFORMATION. 
          WE'RE NOT TALKING JUST ABOUT PARKING SPACES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY WE WANT TO BECOME. 
          EVERY EMPTY PARKING LOT IN DALLAS IS LIKE A BLANK PAGE IN A BOOK THAT COULD TELL THE STORY OF OUR CITY, BUT INSTEAD OF STORIES OF OPPORTUNITY, THEY ARE UN WRITTEN. 
          BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE THESE PAGES BLANK. 
          WE HAVE THE PEN. 
          WE CAN CHANGE THAT AND WRITE THAT BETTER STORY. 
          IN CHICAGO, THEY FACE SIMILAR CHALLENGES. 
          INSTEAD OF ELIMINATING PARKING MINIMUMS COMPLETELY, THEY STARTED AT THOSE RAIL STATIONS A QUARTER MILE. 
          REMEMBER, WE AREN'T ELIMINATING PARKING MINIMUMS, OR SORRY, WE AREN'T ELIMINATING PARKING. 
          WE ARE ELIMINATING THE MANDATE. 
          I SEE THERE AREN'T MANY YOUNG ADULTS HERE, SO LET'S NOT FORGET THE NEXT GENERATION. 
          90% OF GEN Z AND MILLENNIALS SAY THEY PAY MORE TO LIVE IN A WALKABLE COMMUNITY. 
          AND A THIRD SAY THEY PAY A LOT MORE. 
          SO I'M SPEAKING FOR THOSE WHO WON'T BE HERE TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOUR TIME IS UP. 
          FOR THOSE WHO WON'T BE WORKING LATE, COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? UH, MY NAME IS AZO ALVAREZ. 
          OH, ADDRESS. 
          UH, 2 1 1 2 EL CAP. 
          10 DRIVE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          HI GUYS. 
          COURTNEY HUNTER. 
          2 2 2 BROWDER STREET. 
          I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE HAD A LONG DAY, SO I'M GONNA TRY AND MAKE IT REALLY QUICK. 
          UM, I'M BORN IN DALLAS, LIVED IN DFW MY WHOLE LIFE, STUDIED ARCHITECTURE AT UTA AND MOVED DOWNTOWN, UM, LIKE THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO. 
          AND I'VE LIVED FOR THREE YEARS WITHOUT A CAR IN DALLAS. 
          AND I DON'T WORK DOWNTOWN. 
          I WORK UP AT LIKE THE ENERGY SQUARE AREA. 
          SO I TAKE DART EVERY DAY AND I, I WANNA ADDRESS THE FEAR OF RUNNING OUTTA PARKING OR DEVELOPERS COMING IN AND JUST BUILDING SOMETHING THAT ISN'T GONNA HAVE ANY PARKING. 
          BECAUSE THE REALITY IS I WORK WITH DEVELOPERS REGULARLY AND SOMETIMES THEY OVER PARK JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR PROGRAM. 
          THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. 
          THEY WANT EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT THERE TO HAVE ONE OR TWO PARKING SPOTS, AND SO THEY'RE STILL GONNA BUILD IT. 
          UM, REALLY THIS IS JUST TAKING AWAY THE, UM, CODE THAT REQUIRES US TO OVER PARK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOUR TIME IS UP. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH GUYS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          HELLO THERE. 
          THIS IS ON, UH, NAME IS ALEXANDER NUNN, UH, UH, RESIDENT AT 55 55 AMESBURY DRIVE IN DALLAS. 
          UM, JUST HERE SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF REMOVING THE PARKING MINIMUMS, OR RATHER AS I PREFER TO CALL THEM PARKING MANDATES BECAUSE WHAT THEY ARE IS A UNNEEDED BURDEN ON BUSINESS OWNERS, SMALL BUSINESSES, UM, MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPERS, UM, PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO BUILD, UH, HOUSING AND BUSINESSES IN THE CITY. 
          AND I JUST THINK THAT WE ARE PUTTING A, WE ARE PUTTING SHACKLES ON OUR CITY WHEN WE WRAP THEM IN CONCRETE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN DRIVE THE DRIVE AND PARK IN THE CITIES INSTEAD OF LIVE AND WORK AND PLAY IN THE CITIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI, MY NAME IS GARRETT PINNELL. 
          UM, A APART, UM, ADDRESS IS 1 0 6 4 0 STEPTON DRIVE, APARTMENT 2 3 1 4. 
          UM, I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF REMOVING THE PARKING MANDATES. 
          I, UM, JUST FOR SOME CONTEXT, I'M SOMEONE WHO OWNS A CAR. 
          I'M SOMEONE WHO DRIVES TO WORK. 
          UM, MY OFFICE IS ABOUT TO BE MOVING TO CYRUS WATERS, UM, A PLACE THAT IS NOT TRANSIT. 
          IT'S NOT THAT TRANSIT ACCESSIBLE. 
          UM, STILL I SEE THE VALUE IN GETTING RID OF THESE PARKING MAN, UH, PARKING MANDATES. 
          UM, AND I'M GONNA PRESENT MAYBE A DIFFERENT REASON I HAVEN'T HEARD TONIGHT. 
          UM, WE'RE 
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ABOUT TO HAVE TO HIRE 900 NEW POLICE, UM, AND PARKING LOTS DON'T MAKE THE MONEY THAT A BUSINESS DOES OR THAT A, UH, RESIDENCE DOES. 
          WE HAVE TO IMPROVE OUR, WE HAVE TO IMPROVE DENSITY. 
          YOU HAVE TO IMPROVE THE TAX BASE. 
          WE HAVE TO HAVE, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT REVENUE. 
          SO THE MATH JUST DOESN'T WORK OUT TO CONTINUE TO COVER A QUARTER TO MAYBE MORE THAN A QUARTER OF OUR LAND AND PARKING. 
          SO, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS ANDREW WARREN, AND I LIVE AT 8 6 2 9 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, APARTMENT 5 2 4. 
          I'M HERE WITH DALLAS NEIGHBORS FOR HOUSING, AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED PARKING REFORMS, ESPECIALLY GETTING RID OF PARKING MINIMUMS FOR RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. 
          UH, WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, MENTION THE COSTS, UH, THE HIGHER COSTS THAT, UH, THAT THESE MANDATES PLACE ON DEVELOPERS, UH, FOR, SO I, I WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME NUMBERS FOR THAT. 
          UM, A STUDY IN 2012 SHOWED THAT THE AVERAGE ABOVE GROUND PARKING SPACE COST ABOUT $24,000 PER SPACE TO BUILD. 
          UM, SO IF WE KIND OF EXTRAPOLATE THAT TO A A HUNDRED UNIT BUILDING WITH CONSERVATIVELY 125 PARKING SPACES, THAT'S ABOUT $3 MILLION THAT GO TOWARDS, UH, GO TOWARDS PARKING STRUCTURE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THINGS THAT OTHER RESEARCH HAS FOUND, UH, FROM, YOU KNOW, RESEARCH THAT UCLA FOUND IN 2017, THAT THESE ARE TYPICALLY PASSED ON TO THE TENANTS, UH, WITH TENANTS WHO ARE PAYING FOR GARAGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOUR TIME IS UP. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, MY NAME IS MATT BOSS. 
          I LIVE AT 4 0 3 9 COLE AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS. 
          UM, I'M SPEAKING IN TODAY IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSED MODIFICATION TO REMOVE OFF STREET PARKING MINIMUMS FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. 
          PARKING MINIMUMS DRIVE UP COSTS, AS ANDREW JUST SAID, AND EVERY SPOT THAT COULD BE CHOSEN TO NOT BE BUILT THROUGH THIS, UH, CHANGE TO CODE WOULD BE SAVINGS THAT'S PASSED ON TO RENTERS AND FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS, UH, RENTERS AND FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS THAT ARE SEEING, UH, THE HIGHEST PRICES THAT WE'VE SEEN IN GENERATIONS. 
          UM, I'M EMERGING THIS CITY TO JOIN THE RANKS OF CITIES ACROSS TEXAS, LIKE AUSTIN AND ALL THE OTHER CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD THAT WERE PRESENTED THAT HAVE ELIMINATED PARKING MINIMUMS AND HAVE SEEN DRAMATIC INCREASES IN HOUSING AFFORDABILITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          HI, MY NAME IS VINNY. 
          I LIVE IN BRYAN PLACE. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY. 
          I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER REMOVING PARK MANDATORY PARKING MINIMUMS. THESE OUTDATED REQUIREMENTS NOT ONLY DRIVE UP CONSTRUCTION COSTS, BUT ALSO STIFLE ECONOMIC GROWTH AND LIMIT OUR CITY'S POTENTIAL. 
          EVERY PARKING SPACE REQUIRED FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT ADDS TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO THE COST, WHICH IS ULTIMATELY PASSED ON TO CONSUMERS, WHETHER IN HIGHER RENTS, HIGHER PRICES, OR FEWER HOUSING OPTIONS. 
          BY ELIMINATING PARKING MINIMUMS, WE EMPOWER DEVELOPERS TO DESIGN PROJECTS THAT MEET ACTUAL DEMAND, NOT ARBITRARY STANDARDS, FOSTERING INNOVATION AND COST SAVINGS. 
          REMOVING THESE MANDATES ALSO MAKES BETTER USE OF VALUABLE LAND INSTEAD OF SPRAWLING PARKING LOTS, WE CAN ENCOURAGE HIGHER VALUES, HIGHER VALUE USES LIKE HOUSING, SMALL BUSINESSES OR GREEN SPACES, BOOSTING TAX REVENUE AND CREATING A VIBRANT, WALKABLE CITY THAT ATTRACTS RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES ALIKE. 
          CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ALREADY REAPING THE BENEFITS OF PARKING REFORM, AND WE CAN TOO. 
          THIS SMART, SIMPLE POLICY CHANGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOUR TIME IS UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          HI, MY NAME IS ROCK BARRERA, UH, 40 24 BOOKER BAY DRIVE. 
          UH, I'M HERE TO SUPPORT ELIMINATING THE PARKING MINIMUMS IN DALLAS. 
          UH, IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT, LAND IS A PRECIOUS RESOURCE AND IT SHOULD BE UTILIZED TO ENHANCE THE EXPERIENCE OF LIVING IN DALLAS. 
          THIS LAND COULD BE USED FOR HOUSING, COMMERCIAL RETAIL SPACES, OR PARKS AND GARDENS. 
          PARKING MINIMUMS IMPEDE THE CREATION OF SMALL BUSINESSES. 
          THEY CREATE SCARCITY OF LAND, THEY IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT NEGATIVELY AND GENERATE BASICALLY NO TAX REVENUE. 
          SO PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE VERY COSTLY AND THE PARKING MINIMUMS HAVE TO GO. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          HELLO. 
          OKAY. 
          HI, 
          [10:15:01]
UH, MY NAME IS BRENDA GRU MURTI. 
          I LIVE AT 2140 MEDICAL DISTRICT DRIVE, UH, SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF AMENDING THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE REGARDING PARKING. 
          UM, I LIVE FAIRLY CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN AND EVERY TIME I COME HERE, WHETHER IT'S FOR THE LIBRARY OR ARTS DISTRICT, OR TO TRANSFER BUSES, I PASS AN ENDLESS SEA OF UNUSED PARKING LOT. 
          A STUDY IN 2023 FOUND THAT ONE FOURTH OF DOWNTOWN IS PARKING LOT. 
          THIS IS BAD FOR MANY REASONS. 
          UM, IT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO DRIVE IT, UH, CREATES AN INCONVENIENT AMOUNT OF DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TRAIN STATION AND OTHER VENUES. 
          AND THE ASPHALT MAKES EVERYTHING HOTTER IN THE SUMMER, BUT ALSO PARKING IS AN EYESORE. 
          DEDICATING THAT MUCH LAND SPACE TO PARKING LOTS AND WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A WORLD CLASS CITY IS EMBARRASSING. 
          WE NEED MORE AREAS DOWNTOWN AND ACROSS THE CITY WHERE PEOPLE WANNA SPEND THEIR TIME, BE IT TO LIVE, WORK, OR SEE FRIENDS. 
          AND REMOVING THESE BURDENSOME PARKING MINIMUMS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, REMOVE OR CREATES ROOM FOR THOSE OTHER SPACES THAT WE, THE RESIDENTS OF DALLAS DESERVE. 
          GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DITCH OUR CARS AND SPEND THE TIME IN NICE PLACES. 
          I'M HOPEFUL THAT BY AMENDING THE EXISTING PARKING REQUIREMENTS, WE CAN MAKE DALLAS A CITY OF THE PEOPLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          TIME PEOPLE, NOT A CITY OF THE PARKING LOT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          HELLO? UH, COOL. 
          MY NAME IS ZACH BURKE. 
          I'M FROM DISTRICT 12, FAR NORTH DALLAS. 
          I THINK IT TURNED OFF, SORRY, THE, THE MIC MUST HAVE TURNED OFF. 
          YEAH, THERE'S A LITTLE BUTTON AT THE BASE. 
          PERFECT. 
          NOPE. 
          WORKING NOW. 
          YES, SIR. 
          COOL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, MY NAME IS ZACH BURKE. 
          I'M FROM DISTRICT 12. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF REMOVING PARKING MINIMUMS. I HAD A LOVELY DART RIDE DOWN HERE FROM DOWNTOWN CARROLLTON WHERE I WAS ABLE TO SEE A LOT OF EMPTY PARKING LOTS THAT WEREN'T REALLY BEING PUT TO USE, AND THAT GENERALLY SUMMARIZES MY EXPERIENCE LIVING IN DALLAS. 
          ANYTIME I COME BACK FROM A NICE CITY FROM A NICE VACATION, IT OFTEN FEELS LIKE I'M DRIVING THROUGH SOMETHING OF A SEA OF PARKING LOTS, WHICH I BELIEVE THESE PARKING MINIMUMS LARGELY CONTRIBUTE TO. 
          UM, I WOULD DOUBLE DOWN. 
          I THINK IT ALSO INCREASES THE COST OF BUILDING. 
          THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN STATED ALREADY THAT I WON'T ADD TO. 
          AND THAT'S IT. 
          I'LL KEEP IT SHORT. 
          THANK YOU FOR STAYING WITH US. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS LAURA PALMER. 
          I RESIDE AT NINE 11 NORTH MADISON AVENUE IN DISTRICT ONE. 
          I ASSUME, I THINK I'M GOING TO BE THE SOLE SPEAKER TODAY TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE CURRENT AMENDMENT. 
          I LIVE NEXT TO BISHOP ARTS. 
          WE HAVE REDUCED PARKING MINIMUMS NOW, AND I DID SEND YOU A LETTER SHOWING THE PROBLEMS THAT OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY EXPERIENCES WITH REDUCED PARKING MINIMUMS. I CANNOT IMAGINE WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH NO PARKING MINIMUMS, AND THAT'S ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY. 
          I WOULD STRONGLY URGE YOU TO SEND THIS BACK FOR REEXAMINATION AND FOCUS THESE STRATEGIES ON STRATEGIC AREAS IN OUR CITY, RATHER THAN DOING IT AS A BLANKET ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. 
          WE'LL GO TO OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE. 
          UH, MR. LAMONT, GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN. 
          WE, WE CAN HEAR YOU, BUT, UH, I CAN'T SEE YOU YET. 
          UM, UH, GIMME ONE SECOND. 
          I'VE DONE THIS BEFORE. 
          UM, I CAN'T SEE ANY BUTTON HERE. 
          I'M SORRY FOR BEING THE DATA TECHNOLOGY PERSON. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          WE, WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU. 
          UH, MR. LAMONT, IF YOU WANT TO LOG BACK, UH, LOG OFF AND LOG BACK ON, OR MAYBE TOGGLE YOUR CAMERA, WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU. 
          UH, HOW ABOUT WITH MR. UH, HANER? NOT LINE. 
          MR. BARRETT? NOT MINE. 
          UH, ISAIAH ALVAREZ. 
          HE HERE. 
          OH, HE WAS HERE. 
          OH, PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UH, MATT JACOBS NOT ONLINE. 
          HOW ABOUT COURTNEY HUNTER? SHE WAS HERE. 
          SHE WAS HERE. 
          UH, 
          [10:20:02]
ED ZAHARA? YES. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          IF YOU CAN HEAR US, SIR. 
          WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS, MR. REZA. 
          OKAY, WE'LL, WE'LL COME BACK TO HIM. 
          MR. NORTHROP, I SEE YOU, SIR. 
          WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS, SIR. 
          MIKE NORTHROP 9 0 1 MAIN STREET, SUITE 3,900. 
          I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION OF DALLAS THIS EVENING. 
          WE DO NOT SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, BUT I WANT TO DIRECT MY COMMENTS TO ONE PARTICULAR ASPECT. 
          UH, AND THAT'S THE NO PARKING MINIMUMS FOR RESIDENTIAL ZONING. 
          THE EXPERTS WHO ADVOCATE IN FAVOR OF NO PARKING MINIMUMS EMPHASIZE THAT ONE SIZE FITS ALL APPROACH IS NOT, UH, A GOOD APPROACH IN THAT REGARD. 
          THOSE SAME ADVOCATES SAY THAT NO MINIMUM, THE NO MINIMUM MODEL SHOULD NOT BE ADOPTED AND APPLIED TO RESIDENTIALLY ZONED AREAS BECAUSE IT NEGATIVELY IMPACTS TRAFFIC LANES, BICYCLE LANES, SIDEWALKS, GREEN SPACE, EMERGENCY VEHICLE, UH, UH, UH, TRAVEL AND CURBSIDE TRA UH, TRASH COLLECTION. 
          SO FOR THOSE REASONS, WE WOULD ASK THAT, UH, THE, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, THAT THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, COMPONENT OF THE NO PARKING MINIMUM BE REMOVED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOUR TIME IS UP. 
          THANK YOU MISS, MS. CALDWELL MINE. 
          OH, THERE YOU ARE. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          WE CAN'T HEAR YOU YET. 
          NOT YET. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU MIGHT WANT TO TOGGLE YOUR, YOUR MIC ON AND OFF. 
          WE CAN'T HEAR YOU YET. 
          NO, WE CANNOT HEAR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          WE CAN'T HEAR YOU THOUGH. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU, YOU CAN WORK ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. 
          IS MR. LAMONT ONLINE? OKAY. 
          OH, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. 
          PERFECT. 
          YOU, YOU CAN HEAR ME? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY. 
          OH FINE. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          . 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, MY NAME IS MADDIE AND FOR THE PAST EIGHT YEARS I'VE LIVED IN THE SAME BUILDING IN NORTHEAST DALLAS. 
          AND DESPITE THE FACT THAT I'M VERY TECHNOLOGICALLY CHALLENGED, I'M ACTUALLY THE YOUNGEST RESIDENT OF MY BUILDING. 
          MY 72-YEAR-OLD NEIGHBOR USED TO JOKE AND ASK ME IF I FELT LEFT OUT THAT I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT DID NOT REMEMBER EITHER KENNEDY ASSASSINATION. 
          I'LL CALL HIM ROB BECAUSE I'M SURE HE DOES NOT WANT ME TO USE HIS REAL NAME. 
          HE'S A VERY PARANOID MAN AND I CAN'T FAULT HIM. 
          HE REMEMBERS BOTH KENNEDY ASSASSINATIONS. 
          ROB AND I DON'T HAVE A LOT IN COMMON, BUT WE DO WALK TO THE LOVER'S LANE DART STATION TOGETHER. 
          SOMETIMES NOT ON PURPOSE. 
          HE'S USUALLY ON HIS WAY TO BIBLE STUDY. 
          WHEN I'M ON OUR WAY TO THE GAY BAR ON OUR WALK, WE PASS AT LEAST 500 EMPTY PARKING SPOTS. 
          HE COMPLAINS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT OR KIDS THESE DAYS, OR MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THE HEAT, THERE WERE NO BENCHES. 
          TREES ARE SPARSE. 
          IT IS JUST US, THE HEAT AND THE CONCRETE. 
          I WONDER WHAT OUR CITY WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THOSE EMPTY PARKING SPOTS COULD BE PARKS, COULD BE BENCHES, COULD BE PLACES FOR THE HEAT TO LEAVE INSTEAD OF SINK AROUND US. 
          I AM HERE TO ASK YOU TO THE MINIMUMS TO END THE PARKING MANDATE AND TO IMPROVE OUR CITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOUR TIME IS UP. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          I SEE MR. LAMONT IS READY TO GO. 
          GOOD EVENING, SIR. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, YEAH, SO EXCITED JUST THAT WE'RE TALKING UP FAR FROM REFORM. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WILL BE A SMALL CHANGE RIGHT NOW IS, IS GONNA BE SUCH A HUGE ONE IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST WANNA ECHO THAT. 
          THESE ARE  PORTABILITY. 
          [10:25:01]
YOUR CAMERA WENT OFF, SIR. 
          SORRY, YOUR CAMERA TURNED OFF. 
          MR. LAMONT, WE CAN'T SEE YOU NOW. 
          CAN YOU NOW? YEAH, THERE YOU GO. 
          YOU'RE BACK. 
          PLEASE CONTINUE. 
          YOU'RE BACK. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, JUST WANNA ECHO THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, BESIDES THE FACT THAT HOUSING DRIVES UP COSTS, UH, WHEN BUILT, UM, SO OFTEN BECAUSE OF OUR PARKING MANDATES, HOUSING ISN'T EVEN BUILT AT ALL. 
          UM, AND AS MENTIONED ALSO, WE HAVE SO MUCH OPPORTUNITY COST THAT COMES WITH THE HOUSING, UM, WHEN YOU REQUIRE ALL THAT PARKING WITH IT. 
          UM, SO, UH, IF WE WANT AN AFFORDABLE DALLAS, UM, WE CAN'T, WE CAN EITHER HAVE LOTS OF PARKING OR WE CAN HAVE LOTS OF HOUSING. 
          UM, AND I, AND I HOPE THAT WE CHOOSE TO HAVE LOTS OF HOUSING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU FOR STAYING WITH US. 
          UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? I THINK THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKERS ONLINE. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US. 
          STAYING WITH US THIS EVENING. 
          UH, I THINK WE NEED A MOTION ON THIS ITEM. 
          COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT? YES. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, IN THE MATTER OF DCA 1 9 0 0 0 2, I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL JANUARY THE 16TH, 2025. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR, FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          MY APOLOGIES. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          OH, WE, WE, WE KEEP IT IN HELD TO, UH, SPECIAL CALL MEETING. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST YES. 
          MAKE SURE. 
          , IT'S BEEN LONG. 
          I THOUGHT MAYBE WE WE'RE RUNNING OFF YOU. 
          UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYE. 
          THE AYES HAVE IT. 
          THANK YOU AGAIN FOR STAYING WITH 
          [SUBDIVISION DOCKET - Consent Items]
US. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR SUBDIVISION DOCKET CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS CONSISTING OF CASES 26 THROUGH 36. 
          CASE NUMBER 30 HAS COME OFF CONSENT, SORRY. 
          AND WE'RE LEAVING IT ON CONSENT. 
          26 THROUGH 36. 
          UM, DISCLOSURES. 
          35. 
          UM, OH, THERE IS, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT HAS REQUESTED THAT WE BRIEF NUMBER 35. 
          SO LET'S, LET'S BRIEF THAT FIRST AND THEN WE'LL DETERMINE IF WE NEED TO TAKE IT OFF. 
          CONSENT, MR. CHAIR. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE CERTAIN DISCLOSURES THAT PLEASE DO. 
          I KNOW I WAS CONTACTED ON TWO OF THE PLATS, UM, ON OUR DOCKET. 
          I BELIEVE IT'S NUMBER 30, UM, S 2 45 DASH 0 3 1 AND I THINK NUMBER 37 AS WELL. 
          S 2 45 SLASH 0 3 7. 
          AND I THINK THE SAME COMMUNICATIONS WENT TO MOST, IF NOT ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES, UH, WAS CONTACTED AS WELL. 
          DID NOT READ THE EMAILS. 
          WHAT? NO, I SAID I WAS CONTACTED AS WELL, BUT DID NOT READ THE EMAILS. 
          YES. 
          YEAH, WE ALL DID. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, LET'S BRIEF NUMBER 35. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          WE'LL BRIEF 35 FIRST AND THEN, UH, WE'LL SEE IF IT STAYS ON CONSENT OR NOT. 
          UH, GEORGE, WE NEED A, A POWERPOINT PLEASE. 
          OKAY, WE'RE READY. 
          GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND GOOD, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          ITEM NUMBER, ITEM NUMBER 35 S 2 4 5 DASH 0 0 4 3. 
          UH, IT'S THE CAPELLA PARK SOUTH EDITION, UH, S 2 45 DASH 0 4 3. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UH, IT IS AN APPLICATION TO CREATE 300, UH, 324 RESIDENTIAL LOTS WITH LOTS RANGING IN SIZE FROM 3,150 SQUARE FEET TO 9,183 SQUARE FEET AND NINE COMMON 
          [10:30:01]
AREAS FROM A 61.5 ACRE TRACK OF LAND IN CITY BLOCK 80 17 ON PROPERTY, LOCATED ON GRADY NELO ROAD AT MARYFIELD ROAD NORTHWEST CORNER. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          AND ZONING. 
          SO IT'S ZONED AS THE PROPERTY ZONED AS PD 6 53. 
          UH, AND OVERALL IT'S IN SUBDISTRICT 2, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX. 
          THE PROPOSED LOT NUMBER IS 324 AND PROPOSED COMMON AREA IS NINE. 
          AND AS YOU SEE ON THE LEFT, UH, AS YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE, THE ONE HIGHLIGHTED IS THE, UH, THE AREA OF REQUEST. 
          UM, AND ALSO YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, SUBDISTRICT, UH, WITH DIFFERENT SUBDISTRICT WITHIN THE PD 6 55 AND SINGLE FAMILY USES IS ALLOWED IN SUBDISTRICT 3, 4, 5, AND SIX. 
          AND IN SUB DISTRICT TWO, SINGLE FAMILY USE IS NOT ALLOWED. 
          AND IN DISTRICT TWO, UH, DISTRICT TWO MINIMUM LOSS SIZE REQUIREMENT, THERE IS NO MINIMUM LOSS SIZE REQUIREMENT IN DISTRICT TWO. 
          IN DISTRICT THREE, MINIMUM LOSS SIZE IS 5,500 SQUARE FEET. 
          IN DISTRICT FOUR, MINIMUM LOSS SIZE IS 3,200 SQUARE FEET IN DISTRICT FIVE 2000 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND IN DISTRICT SIX 2,500 SQUARE FEET. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          AND THIS IS THE OVERALL AERIAL MAP IS RIGHT NOW IS A VACANT LOT. 
          AND THAT'S THE, IF YOU SEE THE BOUNDARY, THAT'S THE BOUNDARY OF THE OVERALL, UH, REQUEST. 
          AND NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          AND THIS IS THIS CONCEPTUAL, UH, MAP COLOR CODED. 
          UM, AND THOSE ARE THE LOTS. 
          AND SO ALL THOSE, UH, ALL THOSE COLOR CODED IN YELLOW, RED, GREEN, THOSE ARE ALL THE, UH, THOSE ARE ALL THE, THE, THE PROPOSED USES ARE ALL THE SINGLE FAMILY USES. 
          AND, UH, AGAIN, THE LOT AREA, UM, AND THE LOT AREAS IS BETWEEN 3,193,000, AROUND 3,100 SOMETHING AND 9,000. 
          SO IT DOES ALL THIS PROPOSED LOT DOES MEET ALL THE MINIMUM LOT AREA REQUIRED OF PER SUB, PER ZONING. 
          UH, SUBDISTRICT 3, 4, 5, AND SIX. 
          AND NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          UH, AND OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE. 
          UM, THIS IS A PRETTY LARGE P UM, PROJECT AND THANK YOU FOR BRIEFING IT. 
          I KNOW IT'S LATE, SO IT'LL BE QUICK. 
          UM, JUST YOU, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS TODAY, UH, BRIEFLY THAT THIS WILL BE, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLOT THAT CURB LINES EMERGENCY, UM, UH, FIRE LANES, ANY OF THOSE THINGS WILL BE HANDLED AFTER THIS. 
          UM, AND THAT THIS CASE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          IS, IS THAT ACCURATE? THAT'S CORRECT, MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          ANOTHER QUESTION THAT CAME UP. 
          UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A PHASE ONE THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING HERE AND THIS IS A PHASE TWO. 
          UM, THE BUILD OUTS ARE SIMILAR BUT NOT THE SAME. 
          DO YOU GUYS LOOK AT A PREVIOUS PHASE OF A PROJECT, UM, TO COMPARE TO THE NEW PLOTTING? UM, IF IT'S SIMILAR OR NOT? SO WE LOOK BASED ON THE WHATEVER THE PD REQUIREMENT AND, UM, UH, SO THERE IS A DOLING UNIT DENSITY REQUIREMENT AS WELL, WHICH IS 13. 
          YOU KNOW, THE TOTAL WHOLE PD SUB AREA 6 55, THERE IS A MAXIMUM DOLING UNIT DENSITY OF SIX, UH, 1300, 1300 DOLING UNIT DENSITY, INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY. 
          AND THERE IS SOME MAXIMUM THAT MULTIFAMILY CANNOT HAVE MORE THAN 400, UH, DOLING UNITS. 
          SO, UH, TILL NOW IT MEETS ALL THOSE DOLING UNIT DENSITY. 
          WE ARE STILL WITHIN THAT CAP 1300, UH, 1300, UM, DOLING UNIT DENSITY CAP. 
          AND REGARDING ALL THOSE DESIGN CRI CRITERIA AND EVERYTHING, THOSE WILL BE WHENEVER THEY APPLY FOR DEVELOPMENT PLANNED. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, REGARDING THOSE SETBACKS, BUILDING, UH, BUILDING REQUIREMENTS AND EVERYTHING, DESIGN REQUIREMENT, THOSE WILL BE, UM, I LIKE, IT'LL COME TO THE CPC AT THE TIME OF, UH, SUMMIT WHENEVER THEY SUBMIT FOR DEVELOPMENT PLAN BEFORE ISSUING THE BUILDING PERMIT. 
          AND, UH, REGARDING FARLAND THAT YOU MENTIONED FARLAND, AND THERE ARE, IN THIS PERIOD THERE IS EXTENSIVE, THERE ARE A LOT OF DETAILS. 
          AND ONCE THE CITY, UH, ONCE THE PRELIMINARY PAD GETS APPROVED, UH, THEN DURING THE ENGINEERING PLAN REVIEW, YOU KNOW, IT COMES AND DURING THAT TIME, THE ENGINEERING, ALL THOSE DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE DETAILED, UH, INFORMATION AND EVERYTHING AND EVEN FAR LANE, EVERYTHING WILL BE REVIEWED, UM, DURING THOSE, UH, PERMITTING PHASE. 
          [10:35:01]
SO RIGHT NOW WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT THE OVERALL, UM, LOTS AND WHATEVER THE PER PD REQUIREMENT FOR PLAING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE INSIDES OF SOME OF THOSE, UM, OTHER DEPARTMENTS ONE DAY, BUT NEITHER HERE THAT THIS CAN STAY ON CONSENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          OKAY, LET'S GET THOSE READ IN PLEASE. 
          ITEM, UM, S 2 4 5 DASH 0 43. 
          IT IS AN APPLICATION TO CREATE 324 RESIDENCY LOSS RANGING IN SIZE FROM, AND I THINK I NEED TO MAKE CORRECTION HERE. 
          ONE SEC. 
          OKAY, SO FOR FIRST I'M SO ON. 
          ITEM NUMBER 35 S 2 4 5 DASH THREE, UH, 0 43. 
          UH, CORRECTION NEED TO BE DONE ON THE REQUEST. 
          UH, DESCRIPTION, IT IS AN APPLICATION. 
          UM, IT IS AN APPLICATION TO CREATE 324 RESIDENTIAL LOTS WITH LOTS RANGING IN SIZE FROM 3,150 SQUARE FEET TO 9,183 SQUARE FEET AND NINE COMMON AREAS FROM A 61.5 ACRE TRACK OF LAND IN CITY BLOCK 80 17 ON PROPERTY, LOCATED ON GRAD ULAR ROAD AT MARYFIELD ROAD NORTHWEST CO. 
          UH, NORTHWEST CONNOR. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND ARREST AMENDED AT THE HEARING. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          OKAY, I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          THE CONSENT IS IN THAT CONSIST OF, UH, 11 ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER 26 S 2 4 5 DASH 0 27. 
          ITEM NUMBER 27 S 2 45 DASH 0 28. 
          ITEM NUMBER 28 S 2 45 DASH 0 2 9. 
          ITEM NUMBER 29 S 2 45, ITEM NUMBER 30 S 2 45 DASH 31. 
          ITEM NUMBER 31 S 2 4 5 32. 
          ITEM NUMBER 32 S 2 45, 33. 
          ITEM NUMBER 33 S 2 45 DASH 35. 
          ITEM NUMBER 34 S 2 45 DASH 40. 
          ITEM NUMBER 35 S 2 45 DASH 43. 
          AND ITEM NUMBER 36 S 2 45 DASH 44 ON ITEM NUMBER 30 S 2 4 5 DASH 31. 
          UH, CORRECTION AND SUBDIVISION HISTORY, UM, S TWO 12 DASH 3 41 WAS A REQUEST SOUTHWEST OF THE PRESENT REQUEST. 
          TOLA IS 0.04 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT SIX AND AN ABANDONED PERSON OF GREENVILLE AVENUE TO CREATE ONE LOT ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON GREENVILLE AVENUE NORTH OF LA VISTA DRIVE. 
          THE REQUEST WAS ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED ON SEPTEMBER 29TH, 2022, BUT HAS NOT BEEN RECORDED. 
          AND ON ITEM NUMBER 35 S 2 45 DASH 0 4 3 CORRECTION, UM, ON DESCRIPTION OF APPLICATION AND APPLICATION TO CREATE 324 RESIDENTIAL LOTS WITH LOT RANGING IN SIZE FROM 3,150 SQUARE FEET TO 9,183 SQUARE FEET AND NINE COMMON AREAS FROM A 61.5 ACRE TRACK OF LAND IN CITY BLOCK 80 17 ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON GRAD ULAR ROAD AT MARYFIELD ROAD, NORTH EAST NORTHWEST CORNER. 
          ALL CASES HAVE BEEN POSTED FOR A HEARING AT THIS TIME. 
          AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. ESTA COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MS. ESA ON ITEM 27 S 2 45 DASH 0 2 8, IT'S AN R SEVEN FIVE ZONING. 
          UM, I BELIEVE YOU HAD CONFIRMED THAT IT WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY PLATTED, WHICH IS WHY IT'S ON OUR GENERAL SUBDIVISION DOCKET. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? SEEING NONE. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? I DO IN THE MATTER OF THE SUBDIVISION DOCKET. 
          CONSENT ITEMS 26 THROUGH 36. 
          I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING APPROVE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER HARA FOR YOU SECOND. 
          ANY COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYE HAVE IT. 
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NUMBER 
          [37. 24-3759 An application to replat a 4.615-acre tract of land containing part of Lot 3 in  City Block 7640 to create 30 residential lots with lots ranging in size from  5,375 square feet to 6,306 square feet on property located on Hull Avenue,  north of Stokes Street. Applicant/Owner: Dallas Area Habitat for Humanity, Inc. Surveyor: BGE, Inc. Application Filed: November 07, 2024 Zoning: R-5(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the  conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 7 S245-037]
37, ITEM NUMBER 37 S 2 45 DASH 0 3 7. 
          IT IS AN APPLICATION TO PLET A 4.615 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING PART OF LOT THREE AND CITY BLOCK 7 6 40 TO CREATE 30 RESIDENTIAL LOTS WITH LOTS RANGING IN SIZE FROM 5,375 SQUARE FEET TO 6,306 SQUARE FEET ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON HALL AVENUE NORTH OF STOCK STREET. 
          48 NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON NOVEMBER 11TH, 2024. 
          WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLIES IN FAVOR AND ONE REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. 
          CONDITION TO BE ADDED PER TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT PER SECTION 51 A DASH 8 5 0 6 B TWO A. 
          THE LENGTH OF PERMANENT DEAD END STREET MUST NOT EXIT 600 FEET MEASURED ALONG THE CENTER LINE FROM THE BLOCK CORNER TO THE CENTER OF THE CUL-DE-SAC, SO AS NOT TO BE IN VIOLATION OF THIS ORDINANCE AND TO PROMOTE EFFICIENT EMERGENCY ACCESS AND TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION INTO THE FUTURE. 
          AS INFIELD DEVELOPMENT OCCURS, A STREET STOPS SHOULD BE BUILT AT THE NORTHEAST END OF THE PROPERTY, CONNECTING PIERCE STREET TO THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH PIERCE WOULD THEN FUNCTION AS A TEMPORARY DATE AND STREET THAT HAS A CLEAR FUTURE CONNECTION TO THE ADDITION UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY TO THE NORTH. 
          AND CORRECTION ON CONDITION 17, PROVIDE A TURNAROUND PER THE CITY OF DALLAS STANDARDS AT THE END OF PIERCE CLAIM. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, MR. BALDWIN, JUST WANNA STATE THAT THIS IS A PLAT. 
          UH, SO WE'RE GONNA STICK TO JUST THE STRICT TECHNICAL, UH, AND TECHNICALITIES OF A PLAT. 
          IT'S NOT A ZONING CASE. 
          WE'RE ALL, WE'RE ALL TIRED. 
          WE'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I'M JUST GONNA TALK ABOUT 8.503. 
          SO, UH, MY NAME'S ROB BALDWIN, I AM REPRESENTING THE MIC IS EITHER OFF OR YOU MIGHT HAVE TO LEAN INTO A LITTLE BIT. 
          THERE IT IS. 
          THANKS. 
          I CAN'T GET THE, UH, PRESENTATION TO, TO GO, BUT I'M NOT GONNA WASTE OUR TIME MESSING WITH THAT. 
          SO I'M HERE REPRESENTING DALLAS HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. 
          YOU, YOU SAW THIS PLAT PREVIOUSLY, UH, JULY 6TH, 2023. 
          WE'RE BACK. 
          THE PLAT HAS NOT CHANGED. 
          UM, WE ARE REQUESTING THE APPROVAL OF RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, THE PROPERTY ZONED R FIVE. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, 8.503, THE FIRST ASPECT OF THAT IS THE MINIMUM REGULATIONS FOR THE ZONING DISTRICT IN WHICH IT IS LOCATED IS MET. 
          R SEVEN R FIVE DISTRICT REQUIRES 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. 
          WE ARE OVER 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. 
          WE MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. 
          THE SECOND ASPECT IS A LOT MUST CONFORM TO THE WIDTH, DEPTH AND AREA OF THE PATTERN ESTABLISHED IN THE AREA. 
          WE ARE GENERALLY, UH, 50 FEET WIDE AND 107 FEET DEEP JUST TO THE SOUTH OF US. 
          THE LOTS ARE GENERALLY 50 FEET WIDE AND 112 FEET DEEP. 
          THE DIFFERENCE IS ON STOKE STREET TO THE SOUTH. 
          THEY HAVE A 40 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY. 
          WE HAVE TO HAVE A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF AWAY. 
          IF THAT PROPERTY WAS PLATTED TODAY, THEY WOULD'VE TO HAVE A 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY, THEY WOULD'VE DEDICATED EXTRA FIVE FEET, WHICH WOULD PUT 'EM RIGHT AT 1 0 7 0.5 JUST LIKE WE ARE. 
          AND THEN THE THIRD, THE THIRD PRONG OF 8.503 IS HAVING DUE REGARD FOR THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA AND PARTICULAR SUITABILITY FOR DEVELOPMENT AND TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION IN NATIONAL TOPOGRAPHY OF THE GROUND, DRAINAGE, WASTEWATER FACILITIES, AND THE PROPOSED LAYOUT OF STREETS. 
          WE ARE VERY, THERE'S NOTHING WEIRD ABOUT THIS SITE TOPOGRAPHY WISE. 
          IT, IT MATCHES THE AREAS ALL THE WAY AROUND US. 
          WE ARE MEETING THE STREET PATTERN, SO WE BELIEVE WE MEET 8.503. 
          WE HOPE THAT YOU DO TOO. 
          AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM DALLAS HABITAT FOR HUMANITY HERE WITH ME TO TALK ABOUT ANY NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT. 
          BUT I THINK THAT IF WE FOCUS JUST ON THE PLAT 8.503, I HOPE THAT YOU WOULD AGREE THAT WE MEET THAT REQUIREMENT AND THIS PLAT SHOULD BE APPROVED. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT SPEAKER IN SUPPORT, PLEASE. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS ALONZO HARRIS. 
          I LIVE AT TWO 20 NORTH CLIFF STREET IN DALLAS, TEXAS. 
          IN TEXAS IN THE 10TH STREET HISTORICAL DISTRICT. 
          I'M HERE IN SUPPORT 
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OF THIS PLAT. 
          UH, AND THE REASON I AM IS 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN WORKING AND VOLUNTEERING IN THE COMMUNITIES WITH BUILDERS LIKE HABITAT FOR OVER 40 YEARS. 
          AND UNLESS WE HELP ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THIS TO BUILD HOMES THAT ARE AFFORDABLE, BUT NOT ONLY THAT, THEY ARE HOMES THAT GIVE PEOPLE DREAMS THAT THEY HAVE DREAMED FOR A LONG TIME. 
          I'M IN SUPPORT OF THAT. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          ARE THE, UH, ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN FAVOR? YES. 
          YES, I'M LINE YES, PLEASE. 
          MS. HI GILMORE. 
          TAM. 
          OH, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          TAMIKA DUR. 
          NO, NO. 
          TAMIKA DURO. 
          YES, I SEE YOU NOW, PLEASE. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          I AM TAMIKA DERE. 
          I LIVE AT 79 31 KISKA STREET, 7 5 2 1 6 IN THE PY COMMUNITY. 
          I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS, UH, PLAQUE. 
          I AM A 18 YEAR, UH, HOMEOWNER HABITAT HOMEOWNER. 
          UH, I AM STANDING HERE IN SUPPORT OF HABITAT. 
          THIS WILL BE A EQUITABLE, UH, DEVELOPMENT FOR PY. 
          THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT WILL BRING NEW INFRASTRUCTURE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT JOI NEEDS. 
          THE STOKES STREET THAT IS MENTIONED IN THIS, UH, UH, WHILE AGO THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE, UH, PRESENTATION, WOULD GET A NEW STREET IN SIDEWALKS. 
          THAT STREET, STOKE STREET HAD TWO BIG OLD HOLES IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. 
          SO WITH THIS NEW INFRASTRUCTURE, THEM RESIDENTS THAT WILL BE CLOSE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL GET NEW STREETS AND NEW INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          PY NEEDS NEW INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          WE NEED EQUITABLE DEVELOPMENTS. 
          HAVE IT ON MY STREET ALONE. 
          KISKA HAS FOUR BRAND NEW HOUSES THAT THEY CAN'T EVEN SELL BECAUSE OF THE PRICES, LEAST THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HABITAT IS BRINGING TO CHOPPY. 
          THE RESIDENTS ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO AFFORD THEIR HOMES. 
          THE HOMES THAT IF Y'ALL COME SEE MY STREET RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE BUILDING THREE NEW HOMES ON MY STREET. 
          AND NOW WE HAVE PEOPLE IN OPPOSITION SAYING, WELL, THESE 30 HOMES GONNA BRING CRIME. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE 30 HOMES? THEY ALREADY DOWN HERE BUILDING IT IS THREE ON MY STREET AS I'M TALKING OR BEING BUILT. 
          WHAT ARE THOSE HOMES GONNA BRING? CRIME? ARE THOSE HOMES GONNA BRING THE SAME ISSUES THAT Y'ALL ARE STATING AND OPPOSITION OTHER DEVELOPERS ARE BUILDING DOWN HERE? MY APOLOGIES. 
          MY APOLOGIES. 
          MY APOLOGIES FOR INTERRUPTING YOU. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WE DON'T CONSIDER FOR PLATS, MA'AM, ARE, ARE THINGS LIKE, UH, CRIME. 
          UM, ALL WE ARE LOOKING AT IS, IS JUST STRICTLY THE TECHNICALITIES OF THE LOT IN TERMS OF DIMENSION AND SIZE. 
          AND I KNOW THIS IS, IS VERY TECHNICAL AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO TRANSLATE, ESPECIALLY AT NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. 
          UH, BUT YOU KNOW, ALL WE'RE LOOKING FOR ARE COMMENTS STRICTLY WITH THE TECHNICALITIES OF THE PLAT. 
          UH, ALL THESE OTHER ISSUES ARE STUFF, FRANKLY, THAT WE'RE, WE NOT ONLY DON'T CONSIDER, BUT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CONSIDER MY APOLOGIES. 
          PLEASE CONTINUE. 
          OKAY. 
          PLEASE CONTINUE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          YOU'RE FINE. 
          WELL, ONLY THING, ONLY THING I HAVE CONNECTED TO THIS PLA WHERE THIS PLA WILL BRING NEW GOOD INFRASTRUCTURE TO THE DROPPY COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HOW ABOUT MS? UM, I THINK THAT THAT WAS THE ONLY SPEAKER ONLINE. 
          UH, ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ONLINE FOR THIS CASE? OKAY, WE'LL GO TO OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION THAT ARE HERE. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          I'M DEL VITA THOMPSON, 7/9/04 IVORY LANE, BORN AND RAISED IN THE SOUTH CENTRAL JOBY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THIS IS THE THIRD TIME WE HAVE BEEN COMING DOWN HERE TO SAY THAT WE ARE AGAINST THIS SIMPLY BECAUSE HABITAT IS BUILT ENOUGH HOMES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE ARE CLOSED IN NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST. 
          OUR BUS SERVICES HAVE BEEN STOPPED. 
          WE ARE OVERCROWDED. 
          ALL OF OUR 
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STREETS ARE NOT CONCRETE, CURVED AND SIDEWALK, BUT MOST OF ALL, THIS IS A HISTORICAL PROPERTY. 
          MELISSA PIERCE DONATED THE FOOTBALL BASEBALL FIELD FOR THE PIERCE SCHOOL. 
          THE PIERCE SCHOOL WILL BE A RECREATION CENTER, BUT WE NEED THIS FOOTBALL, BASEBALL FIELD TO REMAIN SIMPLY BECAUSE WE HAVE OVER 300 KIDS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO DO. 
          MY THING IS THAT IT'S BEING A HISTORICAL SITE AND IT'S ON RECORD THAT AUSTIN HAS, THAT WHEN HABITAT BUILT SOME HOMES ON FELLOWS LANE, IT WAS ON A, ON A FREEDMAN CEMETERY AND THE BODIES WERE, UH, HEADSTONES WERE THROWN SOMEWHERE ELSE AND IT WAS PROVEN THAT IT WAS DONE BY HABITAT. 
          SO WE DON'T NEED THIS TO KEEP HAPPENING WITH THEM DOING THIS TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          IT'S ENOUGH HOMES. 
          THEY SAID THEY WERE GONNA ONLY BUILD ONE 50. 
          THEY'VE GONE PAST THAT. 
          WE DO NOT HAVE ALL OF, LIKE I SAID, ALL OF OUR STREETS AND OUR CONCRETE CURVED AND SIDEWALK AND IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO CONTINUE TO DESTROY THE HISTORY OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THAT ORIGINALLY WAS HONEY SPRINGS, TEXAS ANNEXED INTO DALLAS IN AUGUST OF 1955. 
          WE ARE BEGGING YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER THIS AS A THIRD TIME TO NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN. 
          AS I SAID, WE'VE BEEN DOWN HERE. 
          THIS IS OUR THIRD TIME ON THIS SAME ISSUE. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU FOR STAYING WITH US. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          WE'VE BEEN DOWN HERE SINCE 12 O'CLOCK, SO I DON'T KNOW IF SAY GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD EVENINGS, GOOD NIGHT. 
          WE ALL KIND OF CONFUSED RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE WE'RE VERY TIRED. 
          AT LEAST I AM CLAUDIA. 
          DR. 
          CLAUDIA FOLLOW MAIL ADDRESS. 
          33 19 MOJAVE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 4 1. 
          FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA SAY THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH WHAT, UH, MS. THOMPSON SAID, I FOUND IT VERY DISRESPECTFUL THAT WE'VE HAD TO COME DOWN HERE. 
          NOT ONE, NOT TWO, BUT THREE TIMES ON THE SAME ISSUE. 
          WE'VE PUT IT IN WRITING. 
          WE'VE TOLD THE ONES THAT HAVE CONTACTED US, WHICH WE'VE NOT HAD ANY OUTREACH FROM ANYBODY IN HABITAT. 
          WE DID MEET WITH, WE HAD A MEETING AND THERE WAS NOTHING DONE. 
          BUT WE HAVE SAID TO THEM, WE HAVE TOLD THEM WE'VE EMAILED. 
          WE DO NOT WANT ANYTHING ON THIS VACANT LOT. 
          IT IS HISTORICAL. 
          THAT'S NUMBER ONE. 
          NUMBER TWO ON THE AIR QUALITY. 
          I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY HABITAT IS GOING TO BUILD MORE HOMES. 
          AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEMS, THAT THERE IS SUCH BAD AIR QUALITY IN THE JOB OF COMMUNITY. 
          SO WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO WANNA COME AND BUILD? WE WERE TOLD THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HIRE AN ENVIRONMENTALIST. 
          YES, AN ENVIRONMENTALIST WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN HIRED TO HELP WITH THE AIR QUALITY PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IN THE JAPA COMMUNITY. 
          TO WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM MY LAST CONTRACT, THERE'S NOT BEEN AN ENVIRONMENTALIST HIRED. 
          I KNOW A CEO IS NOW ON UP AND COMING IN, IN IN HABITAT AND CONGRATULATIONS ON BENEFITING JOBY. 
          HALF 30 MORE HOMES ARE GONNA BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY. 
          YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT, EVERYONE FEELS DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT ABOUT DEVELOPMENT. 
          SOME PEOPLE THINK DEVELOPMENT IS GOOD, SOME PEOPLE THINK DEVELOPMENT IS BAD, BUT I KNOW THAT I AM THE ONE, AND I DON'T MIND SAYING THAT BROUGHT HABITAT TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          SEVERAL YEARS AGO WE HAD A VOTE OF 105 TO THREE TO BRING, TO BRING THEM INTO THE COMMUNITY. 
          THIS IS AN OPEN SPACE. 
          AT LEAST GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WHAT WE WANT ON IT, NOT JUST DECIDE FOR US OR WE ARE GOING TO BUILD. 
          FIRST IT WAS 90 HOMES, THEN 45 HOMES, THEN 30 HOMES. 
          AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE LANDING AT TONIGHT IS ON 30 HOMES. 
          WE HAVE SAID TIME AND TIME OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND ALL OF YOU ALL, SOME OF YOU ALL HAVE SAT HERE WHEN WE'VE BEEN DOWN HERE BEFORE. 
          WE DO NOT WANT ANYTHING ON THERE. 
          AT LEAST COME TO US OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE 152 YEARS THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS STOOD STRONG. 
          YES, WE KNOW ABOUT 10 STREET, YES, WE KNOW ABOUT ADAM THICKETT AND ALL OF THAT, BUT RESPECT THE COMMUNITY FOR WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE HAVE SAID THAT WE DO. 
          AND DO NOT WANT. 
          OWN THIS OPEN SPACE OR AT LEAST COME TO US AND SIT DOWN AND TALK TO US. 
          NOT TREAT US LIKE WE'RE THE UNEDUCATED NEGROES ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACK. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          HAVE A GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE GA SHARIA GALLIMORE 7 9 1 6 IVORY LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 6. 
          AGAIN, I AM SHARIA GALLIMORE, PRESIDENT OF THE 75-YEAR-OLD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THE JPE COMMUNITY, AKA, THE SOUTH CENTRAL CIVIC LEAGUE. 
          I COME BEFORE YOU TO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE 
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DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY DALLAS AREA HABITAT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF 30 RESIDENTIAL LOTS ON LOT THREE BLOCK 7 6 4 0, WHICH IS SITUATED IN THE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT FREEMANS TOWN COMMUNITY OF JAPE. 
          THIS APPLICATION WAS PREVIOUSLY DENIED IN JULY, 2023 WITH A SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT TO DATE HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED. 
          THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT INTRUSION ON THE GREEN SPACE THAT HAS BEEN AN INTEGRAL, INTEGRAL PART OF THIS COMMUNITY FOR GENERATIONS. 
          THE LOT IN QUESTION HAS NEVER BEEN PLOTTED OR USED FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES. 
          JAPI IS ALREADY EXPERIENCING SIGNIFICANT OVERCROWDING AND THE ADDITION OF 30 RESIDENTIAL UNITS WOULD EXACERBATE, EXCUSE ME, LET ME SLOW DOWN. 
          EXACERBATE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE CHALLENGES. 
          WHILE DALLAS AREA HABITAT FOR HUMANITY HAS PREVIOUSLY BUILT MORE THAN 140 HOMES IN THE AREA, THEIR EFFORTS HAVE UNFORTUNATELY NOT BEEN ACCOMPANIED BY THE NECESSARY INVESTMENTS IN INFRASTRUCTURE, PUBLIC SERVICE, OR COMMUNITY RESOURCES. 
          THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONTINUES TO FACE SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES RELATED TO TRAFFIC, PUBLIC SAFETY, AND ESSENTIAL SERVICES, WHICH REMAIN LARGELY UNDRE UNADDRESSED. 
          MOREOVER, IT IS CONCERNING THAT HABITAT HAS NOT ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THE RESIDENTS NEEDS AND DESIRES. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN FOUR DIFFERENT CEOS OF THE ORGANIZATION IN THE PAST NINE YEARS, WHICH HAS CONTRIBUTED TO INSTABILITY AND INCONSISTENCY IN THEIR APPROACH TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          WITHOUT A CLEAR AND UNIFIED VISION, IT IS DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE THAT DALLAS AREA HABITAT IS IN A POSITION TO MEET THE REAL NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          EFFECTIVELY, THE LACK OF CONSULTATION WITH RESIDENTS COUPLED WITH THE FAILURE TO IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS MADE IN THE PREVIOUS DENIAL GIVES US LITTLE CONFIDENCE THAT PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL SERVE THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE OF JPE. 
          I URGE YOU TO CAREFULLY RECONSIDER THIS APPLICATION AND TO PRIORITIZE THE LONG-TERM NEEDS OF THE EXISTING COMMUNITY OVER SHORT-TERM DEVELOPMENT GOALS. 
          THE PRESERVATION OF GREEN SPACE TO THE PROTECTION OF HISTORICAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE INCLUSION OF COMMUNITY INPUT AND THE PLANNING PROCESS ARE CRITICAL TO ENSURING THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ENHANCES THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL DALLAS RESIDENTS. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION OF THIS IMPORTANT MATTER. 
          I TRUST YOU WE'LL MAKE THE DECISION THAT IS BEST IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING, YOLAND THOMAS, 46 47 LUANNE. 
          I SPEAK ONCE AGAIN IN OPPOSITION OF HABITAT BUILDING 30 HOMES ON THE 150 2-YEAR-OLD GREEN SPACE. 
          MY OPPOSITION IS NOT THAT THE DEED WAS TRANSFERRED WITH UNCLEAN HANDS, NOT THAT JOCKY IS NOW A BEDROOM COMMUNITY WITH NO INFRASTRUCTURE, NO INCOME PRODUCING BUSINESS. 
          I COME NOT SPEAKING OF THE HISTORY OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, NEGLECT, DISRESPECT, AND DISREGARD OF HISTORY, ALLOWING BULLDOZING OF SLAVE GRAVES TO BUILD CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY ONLY TO BE EXCAVATED IN 1990 AND A MEMORIAL BUILT TO HONOR THOSE GRAVES THAT WERE PAID FOR BY SLAVES AND FORMER SLAVES. 
          I DO COME SAYING THAT THY KINGDOM COME AND THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN. 
          THERE IS NOT A LOT PATTERN AS PREVIOUS PREVIOUSLY SAID. 
          I QUOTE ON THE NORTH IS A LARGE LOT PATTERN OF LAND. 
          NO LOT PATTERN THERE TO THE WEST. 
          THERE ARE ALL LARGER IN SIZE TO WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED GOING TO THE SOUTH. 
          THERE ARE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE PROPOSED LOT SIZE AND TO THE EAST THERE IS A VERY LARGE SIZE OF LAND. 
          SO ON MORE THAN 50% OF THE SURROUNDING AREA OF THIS PARCEL, THERE ARE CLEARLY VERY LARGE TRACKS OF LAND WITH NO ESTABLISHED PATTERN. 
          IT IS NOT IN DUE REGARDS OF THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA, THE ADJACENT AREA OF THE LAND IS OPEN. 
          IT IS NOT IN LINE WITH FORWARD DALLAS PRESERVATION. 
          I IMPLORE THE COMMISSION TO VOTE AGAINST HABITAT BUILDING 30 HOMES BECAUSE IT DOES NOT CONFORM. 
          IT DIDN'T CONFORM LAST YEAR AND IT STILL DOESN'T. 
          JUST LIKE THERE WERE UNCLEAN HANDS IN THE TRANSFER OF THE DEED. 
          I ASK YOU NOT TO DIRTY YOUR HANDS WITH A PROPOSAL THAT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY DENIED BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET ALL REQUIREMENTS OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE AND SECTION 51 A DASH 8.503. 
          IF YOU PASS THIS APPLICATION AND IT DOESN'T MEET ALL OF DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODES, THE WORD SAYS IN COLOSSIANS 3 25 FOR THE WRONGDOER WILL BE PAID BACK FOR THE WRONG HE HAS DONE AND THERE IS NO PARTIALITY. 
          THE FINAL PLAT MUST CONFORM TO ALL REQUIREMENTS OF THE DALLAS 
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DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THEY DO NOT. 
          SO WE CANNOT, I ASK YOU TO NOT. 
          UH, ONE MORE THING. 
          SECTION 51 A DASH 8.503 STATES THAT A LOT MUST CONFORM IN WIDTH, DEATH AND AREA TO THE PATTERN ALREADY ESTABLISHED IN THE ADJACENT AREA. 
          THERE IS NO PATTERN. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS KEO GAMBLE. 
          MY ADDRESS IS 7 7 0 1 INDIAN RIDGE TRAIL, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 3 2. 
          I GREW UP IN THE JOCKEY COMMUNITY. 
          I LIVED AT 81 26 CARBONDALE, UH, FROM THE EARLY EIGHTIES TO THE MID NINETIES. 
          AND MY FAMILY IS STILL THERE IN THAT FIELD. 
          THAT'S IN QUESTION. 
          I PLAYED SOFTBALL ON THAT FIELD. 
          I PLAYED FOOTBALL ON THAT FIELD. 
          WE HAD FAMILY GATHERINGS ON THAT FIELD. 
          IT WAS A TREASURE TO US AND IT WAS THE ONLY SPOT WE HAD THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE THE MAJORITY OF THE FAMILIES IN JPI. 
          JUST THIS MORNING, THE MAYOR SPOKE ABOUT HOW HE SPENDS MORE TIME WITH HIS FAMILY AT PARKS AND GREEN SPACES THAN ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY. 
          THE FAMILIES AND DROPPERS SHOULD HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY. 
          I BELIEVE THAT HABITAT SHOULD RESTORE IT AS AN ATHLETIC FIELD, BASEBALL FIELD, SOFTBALL FIELD WITH A WALKING TRAIL THAT CONNECTS WITH THE CURRENT PARK AS A GREEN SPACE FOR THE FAMILIES AND ESPECIALLY THE KIDS IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          HABITAT SHOULD INVEST IN THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST IN HOUSING. 
          30 MORE HOMES WILL DO MORE DAMAGE THAN GOOD. 
          30 MORE HOMES WILL CONTINUE TO OVERCROWD THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND 30 MORE HOMES WILL NOT BENEFIT THE JAPE COMMUNITY. 
          JAPE HAS OTHER NEEDS. 
          MORE INFRASTRUCTURE IS NEEDED. 
          THERE IS NO STORE, THERE IS NO RECREATION CENTER, THERE IS NO COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          I'VE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD THAT PEOPLE DON'T CARE HOW MUCH YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH YOU DO AND HOW MUCH YOU SAY UNTIL THEY KNOW HOW MUCH YOU CARE. 
          AND MY CHARGE TO HABITAT IS THIS. 
          IF YOU TRULY CARE ABOUT JAPE, BE SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE, BE RESPONSIBLE WITH YOUR INVESTMENT AND STABILIZE WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. 
          STABILIZE WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY BUILT. 
          ADD VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY IN WAYS THAT IT ADD VALUE TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE RESIDENTS THERE. 
          BY DEFINITION, SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY IS THE ETHICAL CONCEPT WHERE INDIVIDUALS OR ORGANIZATIONS WORK FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY AND STRIVE TO ACT FOR THE GREATER GOOD. 
          IT CAN ALWAYS BE PROFIT OVER PEOPLE WHEN PEOPLE PROVIDE YOUR PROFIT. 
          SO FOR ONCE, THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND NOT THE PROFIT AND YOUR POCKET. 
          AND BEFORE I CLOSE, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU MENTIONED STICKING TO THE TECHNICALITY OF THE MATTER IN THE REPORT. 
          THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION TO REPL. 
          MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS NEVER BEEN PLATTED AND IF THIS IS TRULY AN APPLICATION FOR REPL, HAS PROOF OF THE ORIGINAL CERTIFIED COPY BEEN PROVIDED ALONG WITH THE CERTIFIED COPY OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS PER CITY APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS? IF NOT, I DO NOT SEE HOW THE COMMISSION CAN APPROVE THIS REQUEST. 
          SO IT IS MY STRONG PLEA THAT THE COMMISSION DENIED THIS APPLICATION. 
          I YIELD MY TIME. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND I THANK YOU FOR YOURS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? MR. AWIN, YOU HAVE A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL PER OUR RULES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I'LL MAKE IT QUICK. 
          UM, IT WAS A HARD DECISION, UH, IN 2023. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A HARD DECISION TONIGHT. 
          I ASK YOU TO FOLLOW YOUR, THE MANDATE OF PLATTING MINISTERIAL ACT IF IT COMPLIES WITH THE CITY REGULATIONS. 
          IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING YOU HAVE TO APPROVE IT AND I DO BELIEVE IT COMPLIES WITH IT. 
          STAFF THINKS IT COMPLIES WITH IT. 
          WE WENT THROUGH THE LIST EARLIER. 
          WE MEET THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS, WE MEET THE LAW PATTERN REQUIREMENTS. 
          WE, I HOPE YOU CAN, UH, SEE THAT AND I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS PLAT. 
          I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ARE THOSE IN SUPPORT QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, MS. MORRISON. 
          WHAT, WHAT STANDARD DO WE USE 
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TO LOOK AT THESE KINDS OF CASES FOR PLATS? UH, PLATTING IS A MINISTERIAL FUNCTION OF THE CITY. 
          UM, IF A SUBMITTED PLAT COMPLIES WITH LOCAL ORDINANCE AND STATE LAWS, SO THAT WOULD BE ARTICLE EIGHT OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE AND CHAPTER TWO 12 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, THEN THE BODY MUST APPROVE THE PLAT. 
          IF THERE'S ANY MOTION TO DENY A PLAT, IT MUST BE ACCOMPANIED WITH A FINDING OF FACT OF WHAT SPECIFIC PROVISION, EITHER IN OUR LOCAL ORDINANCE OR IN THE STATE LAW THAT THE PLAT DOES NOT, UH, CONFORM TO. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE. 
          UM, DID YOU ALL FIND THAT THAT, UM, THE, UM, YES, I'M TIRED. 
          DID YOU ALL FIND THAT THE UM, WELL, SHE SAID WAS THOSE FINDING, WAS THOSE FINDINGS, UM, UM, IN LINE WITH THE, UH, ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY? THE PLA I DUNNO. 
          MY BRAIN IS WAS LA I HAD IT IN MY MIND. 
          DID YOU ALL FIND THAT THE, THE PLATS, I MEAN THE, UM, FIRST OF ALL IS, WAS THERE, WAS THIS LAND EVER PLATTED IT? YES, IT WAS PLATTED BEFORE IT WAS, UH, LOT THREE. 
          SO THAT'S THE REASON IT'S A RESIDENTIAL REPL, BUT IT HAS BEEN PLATTED BEFORE? YES. 
          UM, IT IS PLA AS ONE PLA ONE LOT. 
          IT WAS PLA AS ONE LOT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ONE, SO THEY'RE TAKING PART OF LOT THREE. 
          SO IT, EVERYTHING WAS LOT THREE. 
          SO THEY'RE TAKING PART OF LOT THREE AND DEVELOPING THOSE RESIDE RATIO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO PART OF LOT THREE WAS, UH, THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF AND THE REMAINING IS WAS THE, UM, WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING TO RE REPLAY IT. 
          YOU SAID ALL OF IT WAS LOT THREE. 
          EXPLAIN IT A YES. 
          SO ONLY THE REQUEST IS TO TAKE THE PART OF LOT THREE AND DEVELOP THOSE RESIDENTIAL, UH, RESIDENTIAL LOTS. 
          SO THERE WILL BE THE REMAINDER OF LOT THREE, UM, AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. 
          AND DID IT MEET THE BURDEN, UM, OF REQUIREMENT FOR A REPLAY? THE WHAT THEY PRESENTED FOR THE, UM, FOR WHAT THEY, FOR THE 30 RESIDENTIAL LOTS, THEY DIDN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENT BURDENS THAT, UM, SET FORTH BY, UH, 51 A. 
          MAYBE I'M ASLEEP. 
          I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER. 
          I DIDN'T GET TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. 
          IT THE 30 RE THE REQUEST FOR THE 30 RESIDENTIAL LOT, DID IT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS? UM, FOR APPROVAL? MY BRAIN IS WHAT'S NOT, I, THAT'S NOT, HAS BEEN A LONG DAY. 
          UM, I I I'LL ASK THE, UH, A SIMILAR QUESTION I THINK DOES, UH, DOES THE THE PLAT MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          STAFF DOES THINGS. 
          THE PLAT DOES, IT DOES MEET ALL THE ZONING REQUIREMENT, MINIMUM LOSS,  IN R FIVE. 
          MINIMUM LOSS RECOMMEND STAFF DOES THINGS. 
          IT, UH, IT IS ALIGNED WITH THE ESTABLISHED NEVER LOCKED PATTERN AND THAT'S THE REASON STAFF RECOMMENDED IS APPROVED. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? UM, JUST TO CLARIFY OR FOLLOWING UP ON COMMISSIONER WHEELER'S QUESTION, THE EXISTING LOT IS THE FULL LINEAR SECTION. 
          THERE'S A SIMILAR SIZED NORTH OF THIS, BOTH OF WHICH ARE UNDEVELOPED, BUT THAT'S A, SO NORTH IS A SEPARATE PARCEL ALSO VACANT ALL OF LOT THREE PLOTTED AS A SINGLE LOT HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN WE'VE GOT, UM, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SOUTH OF IT. 
          AND WHAT I'M GONNA SAY IS WEST, I KNOW IT'S SLIGHTLY ROTATED, BUT THAT, THAT WAS STAFF'S EVALUATION THAT IN STAFF'S OF VIEW HAS, HAS CREATED THE PATTERN, BUT THERE'S OTHER VARIANCES THAT ARE VISIBLE IN THE AREA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. 
          SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER, WILL YOU, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? UM, YES. 
          THIS DECISION FOR ME IS NOT HARD. 
          48 PEOPLE WERE NOTIFIED ONE ONLINE OPPOSITION, UM, FOR, FOR, UM, FOR IN PERSON, BUT, UM, NONE IN ADJACENT TO THIS. 
          THIS IS NOT A HARD, UM, APPROVAL FOR ME BECAUSE, UM, JOB IS ON THE BRINK. 
          BRINKER GENTRIFICATION. 
          SO HABITAT, UM, I'M GOING TO MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE CLIENTS WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET IN THE MATTER OF, UH, CASE S 2 45 DASH THREE SEVEN. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          AND COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? 
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I DO, PLEASE. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          THE COMMENTS HAS TO BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE PLA UH, THIS RE PLAT OF APPLIED 30 LOTS, UM, RESIDENTIAL LOTS BY HABITAT. 
          UM, I'VE HEARD ONE TOO MANY TIMES HAD HABITAT AND THAT, UM, JAPANESE INFRASTRUCTURE, JAPANESE THIS IN ORDER FOR JAPE TO GET WHAT THEY NEED, UM, AND NOT GET GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE HOUSING THAT IS BEING BUILT. 
          $400,000 HOUSES BEING SOLD RIGHT NOW TO BE ABLE TO GET SOME MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND PARTNERSHIPS WITH HABITAT WOULD, UH, BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AND MY BELIEF MORE THAN HARM THE COMMUNITY. 
          THERE ARE OTHER GREEN SPACES IN JAPE. 
          THERE IS A PARK, THERE IS GREEN SPACE THAT IS, UM, WHAT IS NOW, UM, HAS BEEN CLOSED OFF AT, AT THE END OF WHOLE STREET. 
          THERE IS OTHER PLACES TO DO THAT. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          UM, THE SCHOOL WAS HISTORIC IS A HISTORICAL, UH, SCHOOL. 
          IT WAS DONATED BY HABITAT TO THE CURRENT OWNERS. 
          UM, BUT THE SCHOOL HAS BEEN CLOSED DOWN FOR OVER 50 YEARS. 
          AM I RIGHT? 50 SOMETHING YEARS? UM, AND I DO KNOW GREAT THINGS ARE COMING TO IT, BUT WE HAVE A, WE CAN'T HAVE A HOUSING DEFICIT TO THIS MAGNITUDE AS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          AND THEN WHEN AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUILDER COMES IN AND WANTS TO REPLANT TO DO JUST THAT, WE DENY THEM ONLY TO HAVE HOMES AROUND THAT DON'T HAVE TO ASK PERMISSION AND DON'T HAVE TO ASK FOR A REPL THAT ARE, IS GOING TO GENTRIFY THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO FOR ME, THIS IS NOT HARD. 
          I WAS OUT LAST YEAR, UM, AND MY APPROVAL, UH, AND THAT WAS MY BAD, BUT TODAY I'M GONNA SEEK FOR AN APPROVAL BECAUSE CHOPPY NEEDS THIS AND IF 48 PEOPLE WERE NOTIFIED AND NONE, ONLY ONE ONLINE IN THE NOTIFICATION AREA, UM, ACTUALLY, UH, SENT IN. 
          I'M GONNA SAY THAT THE NOTIFICATION AREA EITHER, UM, BELIEVED THAT THAT IS NOT HARMFUL. 
          AND SO I'M GONNA GO WITH THE APPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU MR. RUBIN. 
          YEAH, I'M GOING TO BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AS WELL, UM, MADE BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER. 
          UM, AND AS, AS MS. MORRISON SAID, OUR DISCRETION IN, IN, UM, THIS IS NOT A DISCRETIONARY DECISION FOR US TO MAKE. 
          IT'S A MINISTERIAL DECISION WHEN IT COMES TO PLATTING. 
          UM, IT, IT'S APPARENT THAT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, POINTS OF DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN HABITAT AND CERTAIN RESIDENTS IN THE CHOPPY AREA. 
          AND I DON'T WANNA MINIMIZE THAT AT ALL, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYONE FOR COMING DOWN. 
          UM, TODAY. 
          IT'S BEEN A VERY LONG DAY AND I, I HOPE THAT WHATEVER'S GOING ON THERE, THAT HABITAT WORKS IN GOOD FAITH TO, TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY A LOT OF THOSE CONCERNS ARE, ARE SIMPLY OUTSIDE OF, OF WHAT STATE LAW ALLOWS US TO CONSIDER ON A PLATTING DECISION. 
          IT'S, IT'S A PLATTING DECISION, NOT A ZONING DECISION. 
          SO I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED TODAY, BUT OUR, OUR DISCRETION ON, ON PLATTING IS QUITE LIMITED, SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS, QUICKLY PLEASE. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER? YEAH. 
          SO I, I VOTED AGAINST THIS A YEAR AGO BECAUSE OF THE HISTORICAL VALUE, THE LACK OF CONTEXT, LACK OF A REPRESENTATIVE, UM, FROM THE DISTRICT. 
          UM, BUT HEARING AND KNOWING, UM, WHAT HABITAT CAN DO, I JUST HOPE THAT THEY BRING A FULL WRAPAROUND SERVICE NOW THAT THEY HAVE A NEW CEO WITH A NEW DIRECTION, UM, INTO THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND, AND JUST, JUST MAKE JOB BE WHOLE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY PLEA TO THEM. 
          UM, BUT AS, AS VICE CHAIR JUST MENTIONED, THIS IS STATE REGULATED, THERE'S NOT MUCH MORE WE COULD DO HERE. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          UH, DITTO. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, I ALSO DID NOT SUPPORT THE, UM, REQUEST ON ITS LAST HEARING BEFORE US. 
          UM, I DON'T SEE THAT IT HAS CHANGED. 
          UM, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON THE GROUND THAT HAS CHANGED. 
          UM, IF I DO SUPPORT IT, IT WILL BE A RELUCTANT SUPPORT, UM, BECAUSE I, I THINK THAT THERE ARE LARGER ISSUES, UM, THAT IN MY MIND HAVE NOT BEEN RESOLVED. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT THERE, THERE'S AS MUCH AS THERE'S A PATTERN, THERE IS SOME PATTERN, BUT THERE'S THREE LOTS THAT WERE CLEARLY HAD A DIFFERENT USE HISTORICALLY, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE HERE. 
          UM, BUT IT DOES SPEAK TO WHAT IS THE RESIDENTIAL PATTERN WHERE RESIDENCES DO EXIST. 
          AND 
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FOR THAT REASON, I COULD BE PERSUADED THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS. 
          SEE NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? ANY OPPOSED? MOTION 
          [38. 24-3760 An application to replat a 0.9193-acre tract of land containing portion of City  Block 41/8617 to create four lots ranging in size from 9,152 square feet to  12,268 square feet on property located on Mallory Drive at Humphrey Drive,  southeast corner. Applicants/Owners: King Home Builder’s, LLC Surveyor: Peiser & Mankin Surveying, LLC Application Filed: November 07, 2024 Zoning: R-7.5(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the  conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 4 S245-039]
CARRIES. 
          38, PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ITEM NUMBER 38 S 2 45 DASH 0 3 9. 
          IT IS AN APPLICATION TO REPL A 0.9 1 93 ACRES TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING PORTION OF C BLOCK 41 86 17 TO CREATE FOUR LOTS, UM, RANGING IN SIZE FROM 9,152 SQUARE FEET TO 12,268 SQUARE FEET ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON MALLORY DRIVE AT HUMPHREY DRIVE SOUTHEAST CORNER. 
          18. 
          NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON NOVEMBER 11TH, 2024. 
          WE HAVE RECEIVED DUE REPLY IN FAVOR AND ONE REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. 
          UH, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IT'S NUMBER 38. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? CHAIRMAN SHADI, IN THE CASE OF UH, S 2 4 5 0 3 9, I MOVE THAT WE, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ACCEPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE A SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CHERLOCK FOR YOUR SECOND COMMERS. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? HAVE IT. 
          [39. 24-3761 An application to create one 0.976-acre (42,507 square feet) lot and one  0.978-acre (42,584 square feet) lot from a 1.953-acre tract of land  containing part of Lot 6 in City Block A/3957 and a tract of land in part of  City Blocks 3830 and 3957 on property located on North Edgefield Avenue,  north of Kessler Parkway. Applicant/Owner: Eve Capital Surveyor: Urban Strategy Application Filed: November 08, 2024 Zoning: CD 13 (Subarea 3) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the  conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 1 S245-042]
39. 
          ITEM NUMBER 39 S 2 45 DASH 0 4 2. 
          IT IS AN APPLICATION TO CREATE ONE 0.9 76 ACRE. 
          THAT IS 42,507 SQUARE FEET LOT AND ONE 0.978 ACRE. 
          THAT IS 42,584 SQUARE FOOT LOT FROM A 1.953 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING PART OF LOT SIX IN CITY BLOCK. 
          A OVER 39 57, AND A TRACK OF LAND IN PART OF CITY BLOCK 8 30, 8 30 AND 39 57. 
          AND PROPERTY LOCATED ON NORTH NORTH EASTVILLE AVENUE NORTH OF KESSLER PARKWAY. 
          88. 
          NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON NOVEMBER 11TH, 2024. 
          WE HAVE RECEIVED THREE REPLIES IN FAVOR AND TWO REPLYING OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. 
          ONE REPLYING, ONE REPLY IN FAVOR WAS RECEIVED AFTER THE DEADLINE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND REST AMENDED AT THE HEARING. 
          IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? CN NONE. 
          COMMISSIONER ERLER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT WE CLO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING IN CASE NUMBER S 2 4 5 0 4 2 AND FILE STATUS RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL? THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAUSER FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? CN NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? I HAVE IT. 
          [40. 24-3762 An application to revise a previously approved preliminary plat (S234-090)  to replat a 1.126-acre tract of land containing all of Lots 1 and 2 in City  Block 6/6586 to create one 24,531-square foot lot and one 24,532-square  foot lot; and to reduce the existing 40-foot platted building line to 18 feet 2 inches for the distance of 98.31 feet and to reduce the existing 40-foot  platted building line to 10 feet for a distance of 65 feet along Brookshire  Circle on property bounded by Brookshire Circle and Brookshire Drive. Applicant/Owner: Shaun Mammen, Peter Kofoed, Kristie Kofoed Surveyor: CBG Surveying Texas, LLC Application Filed: November 07, 2024 Zoning: R-16(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the  conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 11 S234-090R]
ITEM NUMBER 40 S 2 3 4 DASH 0 9 0 R. 
          IT IS AN APPLICATION TO REVISE A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAT S 2 34 DASH 0 9 0 TO REPLAT, A 1.126 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOTS ONE AND TWO IN CITY BLOCK SIX OVER 65 86 TO CREATE ONE 24,531 SQUARE FOOT LOT AND ONE 24,532 SQUARE FOOT LOT AND TO REDUCE THE EXISTING 40 FOOT PLANTED BUILDING LINE TO 18 FEET TWO INCHES FOR THE DISTANCE OF 98.31 FEET, AND TO REDUCE THE EXISTING 40 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE TO 10 FEET FOR A DISTANCE OF 65 FEET. 
          ALONG ALONG BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE ON PROPERTY BOUNDED BY BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE AND BROOKSHIRE DRIVE. 
          19 NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON NOVEMBER 11TH, 2024. 
          WE HAVE RECEIVED TWO REPLIES IN FAVOR AND ALSO WE HAVE RECEIVED THREE REPLIES IN OPPOSITION AFTER DEADLINES. 
          THIS REQUEST REQUEST TWO MOTIONS 
          [11:20:01]
BECAUSE IT IS TO REPLA AND IT INVOLVES THE REMOVAL OF THE PLA BUILDING LINE. 
          THE FIRST MOTION IS TO APPROVE OR DENY REDUCING AN EXISTING 40 FOOT PLA BUILDING LINE. 
          UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS ON BUILDING LINE IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND REST AMENDED AT THE HEARING. 
          STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION ON RE REPLY IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR S AMENDED AT THE HEARING. 
          GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COUNT OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          MY NAME IS PETER KAVANAUGH. 
          MY ADDRESS IS 1620 HADLEY DRIVE IN DALLAS. 
          AND, UM, THIS IS A PLAT THAT YOU'VE SORT OF SEEN BEFORE AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY THE LAST TIME IT WAS HERE BEFORE YOU, THERE WERE SOME MISTAKES MADE ON A NUMBER OF PARTS BY A NUMBER OF PEOPLE, AND WE'VE SOLVED THOSE PROBLEMS AND CORRECTED IT. 
          THIS IS MY LAST SLIDE AND YOU, YOU MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE SLIDES TO ANSWER THOSE IF CERTAIN QUESTIONS COME UP, BUT THE ISSUE IS SIMPLY THAT WE WANT TO PROVIDE FOR SWIMMING POOLS, IF YOU WILL, ON THE BACKS OF OUR, OF THE TWO HOMES THAT YOU SEE ON, ON THE, ON THE, ON THE SLIDE IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          THE, UM, UH, THE HOUSE ON WAS THE EAST OR THE RIGHT, THE, THE POOL'S BACK A LITTLE BIT FARTHER BECAUSE WHEN THEY BUILT THIS HOUSE, THEY BUILT IT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY, SO THERE'S REALLY NO PLACE TO PUT A POOL. 
          UH, QUICK BACKGROUND. 
          THESE, THE HOUSES THAT WERE HERE BEFORE WERE BLOWN AWAY IN THE GREAT TORNADO OF 2019. 
          AND SO THESE HOUSES HAVE REPLACED THOSE OLD HOMES. 
          UM, THE POOL TO THE LEFT, UH, THAT WE ALSO WANT TO, UH, EXTEND THE BUILDING LINE OUT TO INCLUDE, UH, WAS ACTUALLY BUILT, UH, WITH PERMITS AND ALL THAT. 
          AND AFTER IT WAS BUILT, THE CITY DETERMINED THAT IT MADE MISTAKES IN GIVING THE HOMEOWNER PERMITS TO DO THAT. 
          SO, UH, WHAT WE THINK WE'VE DONE, WE BELIEVE PROPERLY NOW IS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT RED LINE, THERE'S A 40 FOOT BUILDING LINE PLATTED BUILDING LINE THERE TODAY. 
          WE WANT TO EXTEND IT ONLY TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE POOLS. 
          OTHERWISE WE DON'T WANT TO AFFECT OR CHANGE THAT 40 FOOT BUILDING LINE. 
          THE POOLS BASICALLY. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE SHOWING 'EM ON HERE, THAT THAT BUILDING LINE IS EXTENDED TO INCLUDE, UH, THOSE TWO POOLS AND POOL AREAS. 
          UH, THE, UH, KATIE GANGLER WHO'S SITTING HERE BEHIND ME AND LIVES IN THE EASTERN MOST HOUSE, HAS WORKED FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS WITH HER NEIGHBORS TO GET A CONSENSUS FOR THIS. 
          UH, WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO OPPOSITION TO THIS PLAT. 
          THERE ARE CONCERNS STILL FROM A TWO OR THREE PEOPLE WHO THEY SAY, FIX THE POOLS, PUT THE POOLS IN, WE DON'T CARE. 
          BUT WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT MOVING THAT 40 FOOT BUILDING LINE AT ALL BECAUSE IT MIGHT INTRODUCE THE THOUGHT IN OTHER PEOPLE'S MINDS TO CHANGE IT YET AGAIN. 
          UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE ONLY WAY THE CODE PROVIDES FOR US TO PUT THESE POOLS OUT THERE WHERE THEY MAKE SENSE IS TO MOVE THAT BUILDING LINE TO ACCOMMODATE THEM. 
          ONE OF THE SLIDES I'LL SHOW YOU IF YOU NEED TO, SHOWS ALL THE SUPPORT WE HAVE. 
          ANOTHER SLIDE SHOWS ALL OF THE NEW LANDSCAPING, UH, THAT KATIE'S GOING TO PUT INTO ABSOLUTELY HIDE HER POOL, WHICH SHE WANTS TO ANYWAY. 
          UH, AND OTHERWISE, UH, WE THINK WE'VE DONE WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO TO ACCOMMODATE THESE TWO POOLS. 
          THE STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE AND A GREAT DEAL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SUPPORTIVE. 
          UH, THANK YOU SIR. 
          THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LINE, BUT WE'RE HERE TO SAY PLEASE APPROVE THIS WITH THE NEW LINE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          KATIE'S HERE TO SPEAK. 
          SEAN'S HERE TO SPEAK. 
          PETER, THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR IS ONLINE TO SPEAK IF YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM HIM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANKS. 
          GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE CPC, MY NAME IS KATIE GANGLER AND I RESIDE AT 7 2 2 5 BROOKSHIRE DRIVE. 
          I'M HERE TO REQUEST APPROVAL OF A RESIDENTIAL REPL, A NECESSARY STEP FOR US TO BUILD A SWIMMING POOL AND COVERED AREA FOR OUR CHILDREN TO ENJOY. 
          WE PURCHASED THE HOME IN MARCH OF 2023 AND WE WERE UNAWARE OF A BUILDING LINE THAT RAN THROUGH OUR BACKYARD MAKING THIS REPL PROCESS ESSENTIAL FOR US TO USE OUR BACKYARD. 
          THIS REPL IS A THOUGHTFUL REVISION OF OUR INITIAL PROPOSAL, WHICH WE PRESENTED IN APRIL OF 2024. 
          AND SINCE THEN, WE'VE SPENT THE LAST FIVE MONTHS WORKING CLOSELY 
          [11:25:01]
WITH ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS TO DEVELOP A SOLUTION THAT MEETS EVERYONE'S NEEDS. 
          I HAVE PERSONALLY WALKED DOOR TO DOOR, SENT LETTERS AND EXCHANGED OVER 100 EMAILS TO ENSURE EVERYONE HAS FELT HEARD BASED ON THEIR FEEDBACK. 
          WE'VE MADE SIGNIFICANT CONCESSIONS, PLANTING SPECIFIC TREES THAT PEOPLE HAVE REQUESTED, MAINTAINING THE BUILDING LINE OF 40 FEET AROUND MOST OF THE PROPERTY, AND LIMITING IT TO CHANGE ONLY AROUND NECESSARY FOR THE POOLS. 
          THE MAJORITY OF OUR NEIGHBORS, 12 AND TOTAL AROUND OUR HOUSE, ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS REPL. 
          WE'VE WORKED TIRELESSLY TO ENSURE THAT THE REQUEST DOES NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND APPROACH THIS PROCESS WITH THOUGHTFULNESS AND CARE. 
          OUR PROPERTY IS HIGHLY UNIQUE, DESCRIBED BY THE CITY STAFF AS ONE OF THE MOST UNUSUAL LOTS IN DALLAS. 
          IT HAS PRESENTED CHALLENGES EVEN FOR THE CITY TO INTERPRET WITH EXISTING CODES WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING. 
          A POOL AND COVERED SPACE IS TYPICAL FOR DALLAS HOMES AND IN HARMONY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO ADDRESS, TO ADDRESS CONCERNS, MAINTAIN GOODWILL, AND THIS IS OUR FINAL OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT. 
          EVERYONE ELSE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ENJOYS THE ABILITY TO HAVE A POOL AND COVERED SPACE IN THEIR YARDS, AND WE ARE SIMPLY ASKING FOR THE SAME. 
          THIS DECISION IS IN YOUR HANDS TONIGHT, UM, AND WE ASK THAT YOU PLEASE APPROVE. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS SEAN MAMAN. 
          I LIVE AT 7 2 2 5 BROOKSHIRE DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 3 OH. 
          UM, OUR PROPOSAL HARMS NO ONE. 
          IT ENHANCES THE PROPERTY, RESPECTS THE INTEGRITY AND OF THE COMMUNITY, AND IT CREATES A MORE LIVABLE HOME FOR MY FAMILY. 
          UH, A HOME THAT'LL REMAIN IN HARMONY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR YEARS TO COME. 
          THE PLANS ARE THOUGHTFUL AND CONSIDERATE, INCLUDING EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING THAT ENSURES OUR NEIGHBORS WILL SEE GREENERY, TREES AND BEAUTY. 
          WE'VE DONE THIS AFTER EXTENSIVE COMMUNICATION AND OUTREACH. 
          WE'VE WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH THE CITY STAFF FOR MONTHS TO COME UP WITH THIS PROPOSAL. 
          THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE UNDERSCORES THAT OUR PLANS ARE NOT ONLY COMPLIANT BUT BENEFICIAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          DALLAS IS A CITY OF PROGRESS AND WE BELIEVE OUR PROPOSAL REFLECTS THAT SPIRIT WHILE MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          PLEASE SUPPORT OUR PROPOSAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE, OH, FOLKS ONLINE? ARE ANY OF THOSE THREE SPEAKERS ONLINE? WHICH ONE IS IT? MR. KAVANAUGH. 
          PETER. 
          OKAY, MR. KOFA. 
          GOOD EVENING, SIR. 
          YOU ALL HEAR, UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR, WE CAN. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          YES. 
          GOOD EVENING CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE CPC. 
          MY NAME IS PETER KO. 
          MY WIFE AND I LIVE AT 7 2 1 7 BROOKSHIRE DRIVE. 
          WE ARE THE CO-APPLICANT ON THIS REPLANT. 
          WE ARE THE OTHER HALF OF THIS ISLAND THAT WE'VE REQUESTED TO REPLANT. 
          I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE REPLANT AND THEN I BELIEVE IT'S A POSITIVE STEP FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          FIRST IS REVISION. 
          REVISED PLAT BENEFITS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BY ADDRESSING THE CHALLENGES POSED BY THE UN UNUSUALLY SHAPED HIGH LOT THAT WE'RE ON AND ENABLING THE CONSTRUCTION OF A POOL. 
          THIS IS A STANDARD APPROACH FOR PROPERTIES LIKE THESE AND ADDS VALUE NOT ONLY TO OUR HOMES, BUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS A WHOLE. 
          THE POOLS IN THE PROPOSED BUILDING LINES HELP MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          MOST OF THE HOMES IN OUR AREA ALREADY HAVE POOLS AND ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES SUCH AS CASITAS, GARAGES, ET CETERA, AND SOME ARE EVEN LOCATED IN FRONT YARDS. 
          THESE PROPOSED CHANGES ALIGN WITH THOSE CHARACTERISTICS AND ENSURE CONSISTENCY WITH THE OVERALL AESTHETIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          MANY NEIGHBORHOODS I'VE SPOKEN TO HAVE PRAISED OUR HOMES AS SIGNIFICANT UPGRADES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THESE HOMES, AS YOU HEARD, WERE REBUILT AFTER THE TORNADO. 
          THEY WERE THOUGHTFULLY DESIGNED, WELL MAINTAINED, AND REFLECT A STRONG INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          I PERSONALLY HEARD SUPPORT FROM OUR NEIGHBORS FOR THE THREE PLAT, AND NO ONE HAS VOICED ANY CONCERNS TO ME OR TO MY WIFE ABOUT THE PROPOSAL. 
          THE MAJORITY OF OUR NEIGHBORS ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS REPL. 
          IT'S CLEAR THAT THIS REQUEST REPRESENTS NOT A, NOT JUST A POSITIVE INVESTMENT IN THESE, IN INDIVIDUAL FAMILY HOMES, BUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS A WHOLE. 
          I URGE YOU TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST SO THE MOM AND FAMILY CAN GET A POOL AND COVER AREAS FOR THEIR FAMILY TO ENJOY THEIR BACKGROUND BACKYARD, JUST AS SO MANY OTHERS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          DO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER QUESTION QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS. 
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ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? I SEE NONE. 
          MR. RUBIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? FIRST OF TWO? YES. 
          IN CASE S 2 34 DASH ZERO NINE OH RI MOVE TO CLOSE ABOVE HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST TO REDUCE THE EXISTED 40 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE TO 18 FEET TWO INCHES FOR THE DISTANCE OF 98.31 FEET. 
          THAT'S VERY PRECISE. 
          AND TO REDUCE THE EXISTING 40 FOOT PLOTTED BUILDING LINE TO 10 FEET FOR A DISTANCE OF 65 FEET ALONG BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE WITH THE FINDINGS, THE FACT THAT THE REDUCTION OF BUILDING LINE OF THE BUILDING LINE WILL NOT REQUIRE MINIMUM FRONT SIDE OR REAR YARD SETBACK LINE LESS THAN THAT REQUIRED BY THE ZONING REGULATIONS CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST ADVERSELY AFFECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OR ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PLAN FOR ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER CHERLOCK FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSIONS AND NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          YOU OPPOSED? AYE. 
          AYES HAVE IT. 
          AND, UM, IN THE MATTER OF S 2 34 DASH 0 9 0, UM, RI MOVE THAT WE, UM, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND A PROOF THE, UM, PROPOSED PLAT SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. 
          THANK YOU MR. FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER SHERNOFF FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY COMMENTS? NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          OPPOSED? AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          WE WOULD DO 41 PLEASE. 
          [41. 24-3763 An application to replat a 0.456-acre (19,878-square foot) tract of land  containing all of Lot 12 in City Block 4/5475 to create one lot and to reduce  an existing 30-foot platted building line to 10 feet along Thackery Street on  property located on Prestonshire Lane at Thackery Street, southwest corner. Applicant/Owner: Donald W. Clark Jr, and Mary Adelle Clark Surveyor: Global Land Surveying, Inc. Application Filed: November 07, 2024 Zoning: R-7.5(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the  conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 13 S245-034]
ITEM NUMBER 41 S 2 45 DASH 0 3 4. 
          IT IS AN APPLICATION TO PLT A 0.456 ACRE. 
          THAT IS 19,878 SQUARE FOOT TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT 12 AND CITY BLOCK FOUR OVER 54 75 TO CREATE ONE LOT AND TO REDUCE AN EXISTING 30 FOOT PLANTED BUILDING LINE TO 10 FEET ALONG ERY STREET ON PROPERTY. 
          LOCATED ON PRESTON CHAR LANE AT ERY STREET SOUTHWEST CORNER. 
          16 NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON NOVEMBER 11TH, 2024. 
          AND WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLY IN FAVOR AND JIRA REPLIES IN OPPOSITION. 
          THIS REQUESTS REQUEST TWO MOTION BECAUSE IT, IT IS A, IT IS TO REPLY AND IT INVOLVES, IT INVOLVES THE REDUCTION OF THE PLATTED BUILDING LINE. 
          THE FIRST MOTION IS TO APPROVE OR DENY THE REDUCTION OF AN EXISTING 40 FOOT PLATY BUILDING LINE. 
          AND THIS STAFF RECORD RECOMMENDATION ON BUILDING LINE IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON REPL IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. 
          UH, SEE, DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT ON THIS ONE? NO, SOMEBODY HAS TO BE LAST. 
          SO IT WAS . 
          OH, YOU'RE LAST. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ANYONE WANNA SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL, DO YOU HAVE YOUR FIRST OF TWO MOTIONS, SIR? I DO. 
          UH, IN CASE NUMBER S 2 45 0 34, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST TO REDUCE AN EXISTING 30 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE TO 10 FEET ALONG FACTORY STREET WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT REDUCTION OF THE BUILDING LINE WILL NOT REQUIRE MINIMUM FRONT SIDE OR REAR YARD SETBACK, LESS THAN THAT REQUIRED BY ZONING REGULATIONS BE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST, ADVERSELY AFFECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OR ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PLAN FOR THE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER TURNOCK FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY COMMENTS? NONE OF THOSE IF FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. 
          UH, MY SECOND MOTION PLEASE. 
          UH, WOULD, UH, OH, WE'RE YOU'RE BACK. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL, YOU IT, WE LOST YOU THERE FOR ABOUT 30 SECONDS, SO IT'S PROBABLY RIGHT WHEN YOU MADE YOUR MOTION. 
          YEAH, WE, OH, I'M SORRY. 
          NO, YOU'RE FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          SECOND MOTION WOULD BE, UH, IN REGARDING UH, S 2 45 0 3 4. 
          UH, IN THE MOTION TO APPROVE A PLAT, I MOVE TO FOLLOW A STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HALL AND, UH, COMMISSIONER CHERLOCK FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY COMMENTS? NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. 
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AYE. 
          [42. 24-3764 An application to replat a 1.11- acre (48,380-square foot) tract of land  containing all of Lot 1 in City Block 12A/5585 to create one lot and to reduce  a portion of an existing 30-foot platted building line to 12 feet for the  distance of 42 feet along Sunnybrook Lane on property located on  Radbrook Place at Sunnybrook Lane, southeast corner. Applicant/Owner: Melissa Arnoldi Surveyor: Texas Heritage Surveying, LLC Application Filed: November 07, 2024 Zoning: R-1ac(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the  conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 13 S245-038]
NUMBER 42, ITEM NUMBER 42. 
          UH, CORRECTION IN APPLICATION TO READ AS AN APPLICATION TO PLET, A 1.11 ACRE THAT IS 48,380 SQUARE FOOT TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT IN CITY BLOCK 12 A OVER 55 85 TO CREATE ONE LOT AND TO REDUCE A PORTION OF AN EXISTING 30 FOOT PLANTED BUILDING LINE TO 15 FEET FOR THE DISTANCE OF 36 FEET ALONG SUNNYBROOK LANE ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON RED RED BROOK PLACED AT SUNNYBROOK LANE SOUTHEAST CORNER. 
          NINE NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON NOVEMBER 11TH, 2024. 
          AND WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLY IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLIES IN OPPOSITION. 
          THIS REQUEST, REQUEST TO MOTION BECAUSE IT IS TO REPLY AND IT INVOLVES THE REDUCTION OF THE PLATY BUILDING LINE. 
          UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON BUILDING LINE APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING, ANY STAFF RECOMMENDATION REQUIRED IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. ESTA. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          ROB BALDWIN 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET SUITE. 
          BE IN DALLAS. 
          I'LL MAKE THIS REAL QUICK. 
          WE'RE ASKING FOR A REDUCTION OF A PORTION OF A SIDE YARD BUILDING LINE ON A HOUSE UP IN PRESTON HOLLOW. 
          IT'S ON A CORNER LOT. 
          AND, UM, WE WANT THE GENERAL WHO OWNS THE HOUSE WOULD LIKE TO BUILD A POOL CABANA, UH, WITHIN WHEN WITHIN THIS, UH, THE, THE INTERESTING THING IS, AND THE GOOD THING IS, UM, THE, IT'S A ONE, THE LOT GOES FROM STREET TO STREET, SO WE DON'T HAVE A NEIGHBOR RIGHT BEHIND US. 
          AND WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT THE, THE CABANA IS BEHIND A LOT OF LARGE SHRUBS. 
          IT WILL NOT BE SEEN, IT'S A ONE STORY CABANA, UH, HAVE TO SHOW THAT THE, THE PLAT SHOWS IT'S TWO, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY ONE STORY POOL CABANA, AND IT'S HERE HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN. 
          UM, HERE'S THE BLOW UP OF IT. 
          UM, WILL NOT RESULT IN A SIDE YARD SETBACK LESS THAN REQUIRED IN THE R 10 DISTRICT. 
          UH, IT WILL NOT BE CONTRARY TO PUBLIC INTEREST AS IT WILL BE LOCATED BEHIND A TALL FENCE AND BEHIND THE EXISTING LANDSCAPING WILL NOT BE SEEN FROM THE STREET AND NOT ADVERSELY NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AS IT'S IN A SIDE YARD. 
          AND AGAIN, WHERE JUST A, A ONE LOT BLOCK AND IT WILL NOT AFFECT THE PLAN OF ORDER DEVELOPMENT IN THE SUBDIVISION STAFF HAS SUPPORTED IN THIS. 
          I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS. 
          NO, NO OPPOSITION. 
          WE WROTE TO ALL OUR NEIGHBORS AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BALDWIN? WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? NO. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEE NO QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL, DO YOU HAVE MOTION FOR IT, SIR? YES, I DO. 
          DO MR. CHAIR, UH, IN THE CASE NUMBER S 2 45 0 3 8, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST TO REDUCE A PORTION OF AN EXISTING 30 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE TO 12 FEET FOR A DISTANCE OF 42 FEET ALONG SUNNYBROOK LANE. 
          WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT REDUCTION OF THE BUILDING LINE WILL NOT REQUIRE MINIMUM FRONT YARD, SIDE OR REAR SETBACK LINE LESS THAN THAT REQUIRED BY ZONING REGULATIONS AND CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST ADVERSELY AFFECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OR ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PLAN FOR THE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER TURNOCK FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY COMMENTS? AND NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? HAVE IT? AYE. 
          UH, MOTION NUMBER TWO, PLEASE. 
          YES, MR. CHAIR. 
          AND I'M GLAD TO END THE EVENING THIS WAY. 
          UH, IN THE MATTER OF CASE NUMBER S 2 45 0 38 REGARDING APPROVAL OF A PLAT, I MOVE THE FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE T. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOFF FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER TURNOCK FOR YOUR SECOND, SEE NO COMMENTS. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          A OPPOSED AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IF YOU ALL HAVE A GREAT HOLIDAY, YOU TOO. 
          HAPPY NEW YEAR. 
          I'LL SEE YOU NEXT 
          [APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
YEAR. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UH, CAN I GET A MOTION FOR THE MINUTES? DO WE HAVE A MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS REVISED? THANK YOU. 
          VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND FOR THE REVISED MINUTES. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 
          UH, CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR, UH, UH, BEFORE WE SAY GOODBYE, JUST ONE QUICK LITTLE, LITTLE ANNOUNCEMENT. 
          I KNOW WE'RE ALL EXHAUSTED AND, YOU KNOW, UH, I LOST MY FOCUS HERE ABOUT TWO HOURS AGO, BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS COMMISSIONER BLAIR'S 
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LAST MEETING HERE WITH US. 
          I KNOW THAT SHE'S GONNA, SO MISS STAYING WITH US TILL 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT FOR 14 HOURS STRAIGHT TODAY. 
          UH, AND I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, UM, 10 YEARS AGO WHEN I JOINED THE PLAN COMMISSION, UH, DISTRICT DATE WAS NON-EXISTENT IN OUR DOCKETS, MORE OR LESS. 
          UH, IN FACT, THE, OUR DOCKETS WERE DISTRICTS TWO AND 14, UH, COMPLETELY DOMINATED SOME, AND NOW IT'S, UH, IT'S REALLY BEEN A BEAUTIFUL THING, FRANKLY, TO SEE THAT DISTRICT EIGHT AND THREE AND SIX AND SEVEN, UH, SHOW UP IN OUR DOCKETS. 
          AND I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER BLAIR, UH, HAS SEEN THE GROWTH IN DISTRICT EIGHT, UH, AND THAT GROWTH COULD NOT HAVE LANDED IN MORE CAPABLE HANDS THAN YOURS. 
          UH, I KNOW THAT AT SOME POINTS, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS MAY NOT KNOW, BUT COMMISSIONER BLAIR AT SOME POINTS HAD OVER 20 OPEN CASES. 
          I THINK ONE TIME SHE HAD ALMOST 30. 
          UH, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR LOVE FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU HAVE FOR YOUR DISTRICT THAT I KNOW, YOU KNOW, EVERY SQUARE INCH OF IT. 
          UH, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY AND ESPECIALLY TO THIS BODY AND, AND TO YOUR COLLEAGUES. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA MISS YOU. 
          UM, I'M NOT SAYING GOODBYE. 
          I'M SAYING I'LL SEE YOU LATER. 
          CALL ME FOR A DRINK. 
          UM, THIS HAS BEEN, I I, I WAS PREPARED, I WAS TRAINED TO DO THIS BECAUSE OF THE YEARS I SPENT WITH AT T IN WHICH SOMETIMES I HAD 300 CASES ALL OPEN AT ONE TIME. 
          SO I WAS TRAINED TO MANAGE 30. 
          UM, BUT, BUT THIS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN DONE WITHOUT ALL OF YOU GUYS INCLUDING STAFF. 
          UM, SOMETIMES WE DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE, BUT ONE THING THAT I CAN SAY WITH ALL OF US, WE'VE LEARNED NOT TO BE AGREEABLE. 
          UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO THURSDAYS AND SPENDING MY, MY DAYS AND NIGHTS AND WITH YOU GUYS. 
          UM, YOU, YOU GUYS HAVE BECOME MORE LIKE A FAMILY THAN ANYTHING. 
          UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING GREAT WORK COME OUT OF THIS BODY. 
          I KNOW WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR AND THE CHAIRS IN THE COMMITTEE, UH, DALLAS IS IN GOOD HANDS. 
          UM, YES, WHEN I, I REMEMBER MY VERY FIRST CASE, UM, I ASKED, I ASKED AUDRA BUCKLEY, SO YOU'RE TRYING TO TELL ME THAT THIS OPERATOR HAS BEEN OPERATING, HASN'T DONE ANYTHING WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. 
          YOU WANT ME TO APPROVE IT? AND I DENIED IT. 
          THAT WAS MY VERY FIRST CASE. 
          UM, THINGS HAVE NOT CHANGED IN THE SIX YEARS. 
          UM, SOME OF THE FACES HAVE COME AND GONE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I KNOW AT THE HORSESHOE IS THE HEART IS ALWAYS HERE. 
          NONE OF US COULD DO THIS JOB IF WE DIDN'T LOVE THE CITY AND WE DIDN'T LOVE EACH OTHER. 
          SO, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT SAYING GOODBYE. 
          I'M JUST SAYING SEE YOU LATER. 
          I'M LOSING MY FAVORITE SPARRING PARTNER , AND I'M REALLY SAD ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT, UM, CALL ME ANYTIME, , I MIGHT. 
          UM, BUT, UM, THE GREAT THING ABOUT YOU, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, IS WE COULD GO AT IT AT THE HORSESHOE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FIVE, 10 MINUTES LATER, UH, WE'D BE HUGGING EACH OTHER AND WE'D BE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT CASE. 
          WE'D DEAL WITH MEDIA ISSUES HERE. 
          UM, AND AS YOU SAID, WE CAN DISAGREE WITHOUT BEING SOMETIMES VOCIFEROUSLY, WITHOUT BEING DISAGREEABLE. 
          AND I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT IN YOU. 
          UM, I ALSO APPRECIATE THE, THE LOVE THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU SERVE. 
          IT'S APPARENT IN EVERY SINGLE CASE THAT I'VE SEEN YOU DEAL WITH THE HORSESHOE AT, WITH AT THE HORSESHOE. 
          UM, AND, UH, FINALLY 
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JUST THAT THE VOLUME OF CASES THAT YOU HAVE DEALT WITH, UM, REALLY, IT, IT, IT AMAZES ME. 
          I MEAN, AS THE GUY WITHOUT MY OWN DISTRICT, I, I COULDN'T IMAGINE DOING WHAT YOU DO. 
          UM, AND YOU'LL BE MISSED. 
          BUT AS YOU SAID, IT'S, IT'S NOT GOODBYE. 
          IT'S SEE YOU LATER, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU SOON. 
          HAPPY HOLIDAYS, COMMISSIONERS. 
          ENJOY YOUR BREAK.
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