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          [Ad Hoc Committee on Administrative Affairs on December 12, 2024.]
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          OKAY, IT IS, IS NINE 18. 
          I CALL THE AD HOC COMMITTEE TO ORDER. 
          UH, FIRST ITEM, CAN I GET A MOTION FOR THE MINUTES APPROVAL? SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          UH, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA. 
          TODAY IS A APPROVED OFFICIAL PERFORMANCE REVIEW PROCESS FOR THE CITY'S SECRETARY OF CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY BY BAKER TILL, NOT, NOT, THIS IS BY NINA. 
          UH, NINA, ARE YOU READY? THANK YOU. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD MORNING, NINA, DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES. 
          CAN YOU GET A LITTLE, JUST A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE MIC, PLEASE? YES, SIR. 
          UH, GOOD MORNING. 
          NARIA, UH, DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES. 
          I'M HERE TO PRESENT TODAY, UM, INFORMATION RELATED TO THE COUNCIL APPOINTED OFFICIALS PERFORMANCE REVIEW. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          AS FOR THE BACKGROUND, THE CITY UTILIZES A THIRD PARTY VENDOR AND HAS BEEN DOING SO FOR A WHILE. 
          THE VENDOR ASSIST WITH THE EVALUATION. 
          NINA? YES. 
          WE HAD SOME COLLEAGUES SAY SHE CAN'T ALREADY HEAR YOU, SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          YOU, WE GOT AN ECHO. 
          UM, UM, GET A LITTLE CLOSER. 
          THE MIC, THE, THE VOLUME. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT BETTER? YEAH, IF, IF YOU COULD JUST MAYBE MOVE THE WHOLE UNIT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. 
          I MEAN, YOU REALLY HAVE TO BE RIGHT UP ON THE MICROPHONE. 
          I'M SO SORRY, BUT IT THAT'S OKAY. 
          WE NEED MORE BODIES IN THE ROOM. 
          IT'S KIND OF ECHOY. 
          YES. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME THERE? BETTER? MUCH BETTER. 
          MUCH BETTER. 
          OKAY, LET'S TRY THERE. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, AS MATTER OF BACKGROUND, THE CITY UTILIZES AND HAS BEEN UTILIZING A THIRD PARTY VENDOR TO ASSIST COUNCIL WITH EVALUATION OF THE, UM, EXECUTIVES THAT REPORT TO COUNCIL, UH, BAKER TELY, UH, ACQUIRE MANAGEMENT PARTNERS, AND IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONTRACT TO DO THE EVALUATION, TO ESTABLISH EVALUATION CRITERIA AND ASSIST WITH THIS PROCESS. 
          UM, UNDER THE CURRENT CONTRACT, UH, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, A SPECIFIC CRITERIA THAT THEY FOLLOW. 
          AND I WILL BE, UH, TALKING MORE ABOUT THAT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO, THIS IS A, THIS IS THE DETAIL OF THE CONTRACT HISTORY, STARTING WITH MAY, 2021. 
          SO AS OF NOW, WE HAVE $133,000 AVAILABLE IN THIS CONTRACT. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          THIS SLIDE PROVIDES EVEN MORE DETAIL ABOUT THOSE CONTRACTS, THE TERMS, THE COST, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE VENDOR. 
          SO INITIAL, INITIALLY WE DID THE CONTRACT WITH MANAGEMENT PARTNERS FOR $49,900, UH, WHEN HE MOVED TO BAKER TILLY. 
          UH, THAT WAS RENEWED IN 2020 FOR 2021 TO 2024, UH, WITH A, AT AN AMOUNT OF $138,800. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO HERE'S THE SCOPE OF SERVICES. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. 
          BASICALLY, THEY PROVIDE GUIDANCE, UH, ON THE PROCESS. 
          THEY CONSULT WITH THE MAYOR, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, AND THE POINT OFFICIALS, UM, TO ENSURE THAT THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE PROCESS IS CLEAR AND ARE CLEAR. 
          AND THEN PROVIDE ADVICE AND GUIDANCE ON BEST PRACTICES. 
          UM, ONCE THE EVALUATION IS COMPLETE, THEY WORK CLOSELY WITH HR STAFF AND WE, UH, IMPLEMENT ANY MERITS AS APPROPRIATE. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO, IF WE WERE TO CONTINUE WITH THIS WITH BAKER TILLY, UH, THIS WOULD BE THE PROPOSED ACTIVITIES AND A TIMELINE, UH, TO GET IT COMPLETED, TO GET THESE EVALUATIONS COMPLETED BY MARCH, 2025. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          IN ADDITION TO BAKER TILLY, UH, COUNCIL MAY DECIDE TO INSTEAD, UM, LOOK FOR A NEW VENDOR WITH NEW SPECIFICATIONS, UH, OR WITH DIFFERENT SPECIFICATIONS FOR, FROM WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN THE CONTRACT. 
          IF THAT IS, SO, UM, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO CARRY THAT, UH, WORK FORWARD. 
          UM, AS OF, IF THAT IS NOT THE CASE, NEXT STEPS WILL BE RECEIVING INPUT AND FEEDBACK FROM CITY COUNCIL TODAY OR FROM FROM THE COMMITTEE TODAY. 
          UH, CONTACT THE VENDOR, CREATE THE FINAL SCHEDULE, ROLL OUT THE PROCESS, AND THEN CONDUCT THE PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS. 
          SO WITH THAT, UH, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S OPEN FOR THE END OF QUESTION ON THIS, UH, PARTICULAR DEAL AND IN THE QUESTION I COMMITTEE. 
          FIRST, PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHAIRMAN MORENO, PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          UH, NINA, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US THIS MORNING. 
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TWO, WHEN, UH, WE'RE ASKING THE FIRM TO ESTABLISH EVALUATION CRITERIA, HOW ARE THEY GATHERING WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR? HOW, HOW, HOW, WHAT'S THE FIRST STEP IN ESTABLISHING THAT CRITERIA? IN PREVIOUS YEARS, IN PREVIOUS PROCESSES, THEY HAVE CONTACTED COUNCIL AND THEY HAVE DONE IN A COUPLE OF WAYS, DEFINITELY ON, YOU KNOW, MEETINGS, ONE-ON-ONE TO, UH, LISTEN ABOUT YOUR EXPECTATIONS, HEAR WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO, HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO IT. 
          THEY HAVE ALSO DONE, UH, SURVEYS TO GATHER INFORMATION FROM THE BODY AS A WHOLE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ARE THESE EVALUATIONS TIED INTO EACH EMPLOYEE'S CONTRACT? IS IT A REQUIREMENT OR IS IT JUST SOMETHING THAT WE DO? 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE THESE IN IN SOME TIME. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          UM, THE VALUATION TYPICALLY IS BASED ON THE GOALS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED, UM, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUSLY OR A YEAR AHEAD OR TWO YEARS AHEAD, WHATEVER THAT CYCLE IS. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT IS BEST PRACTICE, ACTUALLY BEST PRACTICE IS TO ESTABLISH THE GOALS RIGHT FIRST AND THEN EVALUATE SO THAT THERE IS SOME LINE OF SIGHT FOR THE PERSON THAT IS BEING EVALUATED. 
          IN THIS CASE, THERE ARE SOME GOALS THAT ARE STATED, UM, THAT, THAT MAY HAVE BEEN WORKED FOR THE CITY. 
          SO THAT IS THE WORK THAT IT WILL BE EVALUATED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ASIDE FROM BAKER TILLY, UM, HAVE WE USED DIFFERENT, UH, CONSULTANTS AND FIRMS IN PREVIOUS YEARS? YES. 
          UH, WE HAVE NEVER USED BAKER TILLY. 
          UM, WE USE MANAGEMENT PARTNERS, AND THAT IS A BOUTIQUE FIRM SPECIALIZING IN GOVERNMENT, UH, YOU KNOW, AND EXECUTIVE PERFORMANCE AT THE, AT THE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY CITY MANAGER LEVEL. 
          UM, SO, BUT THEY WERE ACQUIRED, THEY WERE BOUGHT BY BAKER TILLY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE FIND OURSELVES NOWADAYS WITH A BAKER TILLY CONTRACT, BUT THAT THEY HAVE NEVER DONE IT BEFORE WITH US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR CHAIRWOMAN MENISON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WHAT IS THE SET SCHEDULE WE HAVE FOR DOING THESE EVALUATIONS? WE HAVE A SET SCHEDULE FOR ALL EMPLOYEES. 
          HOWEVER, COUNSEL HAVE BEEN ON A DIFFERENT CADENCE AND IT, IT, IT IS AT THE, UM, REQUEST OF COUNCIL THAT THEY'RE DONE. 
          WE REMIND, UM, EITHER GPFM OR YOU KNOW, THE, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE FROM TIME TO TIME. 
          THIS IS AVAILABLE AND WE'RE AVAILABLE TO DO IT AT ANY TIME. 
          HOWEVER, THE CADENCE IS SET BY COUNCIL. 
          SO CHAIR, I WOULD SAY THAT WE HAVE MISSED SOMETHING, WHICH IS WE SHOULD HAVE A SET SCHEDULE THAT SAYS EVERY YEAR ON THIS MONTH, WE BEGIN THIS PROCESS. 
          EVERY YEAR AT THIS MONTH, WE ACTUALLY DO THE EVALUATION. 
          AND EVERY YEAR AT THIS POINT, WE CONSIDER SALARY. 
          AND THIS HAS NEVER BEEN IN PLACE SINCE I HAVE BEEN ON COUNSEL. 
          UM, AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE, SO FIRST I WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER THAT IF YOU AGREE, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A SET CALENDAR. 
          SECOND, WHAT I'VE OBSERVED AS WE HAVE, UM, USED OUR PREVIOUS CONSULTANTS IS THAT WE HAVE ONE-ON-ONE BEEN ASKED A SERIES OF QUESTIONS, GENERALLY THREE OR FOUR, VERY BROAD, VERY OPEN-ENDED QUESTIONS. 
          AND THOSE CONSULTANTS THEN LISTEN TO EVERYBODY CONSOLIDATE INFORMATION REPORTED BACK TO US WHAT THEIR GENERAL FEEDBACK WAS, AS WELL AS SOME MAYBE OUTLIERS AND COMMENTS. 
          AND WHILE I THINK THAT MAYBE GIVES US A SENSE OF WHAT OUR COLLEAGUES ARE THINKING ABOUT HOW THE PERSON IS MAYBE PERFORMING OR THE DIRECTION THAT POSITION IS HEADED, IT REALLY HAS NOT DONE THE JOB OF A PERFORMANCE EVALUATION. 
          IT'S MORE A CHARACTERIZATION OF HOW THAT EMPLOYEE IS FUNCTIONING AS OPPOSED TO ACTUAL SPECIFIC MEASURABLE GOALS. 
          SO IT MIGHT BE THAT SOMEONE HAS SAYS, WELL, I FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE TRIED TO IMPROVE X, BUT THAT'S REALLY NOT HOW PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS SHOULD BE DONE AT ANY LEVEL. 
          CERTAINLY NOT AT AN EXECUTIVE LEVEL. 
          AND SO I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE, WE'RE MISSING STRUCTURE AND MEASURABLE STRUCTURE. 
          AND WE'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE IN JOBS THAT I THINK HAVE SUCCEEDED MORE THAN OTHERS. 
          AND I HAVEN'T SEEN OUR EVALUATIONS BE ABLE TO SHOW IN WHAT WAYS THEY HAVE PROVEN ACCOMPLISHMENTS OR NOT 
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MET OUR STANDARDS BECAUSE WE NEVER SET STANDARDS. 
          AND SO AGAIN, I JUST THINK THERE'S A STEP THAT'S BEEN MISSED AND I, I'D REALLY LIKE TO GO BACK AND PUT IN THAT STRUCTURE SO THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS ABOUT POLITICS AND A LOT MORE ABOUT HOW THEY'RE ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHING GOALS THAT WE SET FORWARD. 
          WHICH, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS WE'RE NOT EVEN SETTING THOSE FORWARD AS WE SHOULD. 
          SO THAT'S MY INPUT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE ON THE COMMITTEE? JUST CHAIR, MARINA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHAIR. 
          WHAT ARE THE GOALS OF AN EVALUATION? WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF US ESTABLISHING GOALS FOR PERFORMANCE REVIEW?  PERFORMANCE REVIEW IN GENERAL, THE GOAL IS TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS CLARITY ON WHAT SUCCESS LOOKS LIKE, AND THERE IS A REWARD ONCE THAT SUCCESS HAS BEEN ACHIEVED, UH, AND CORRECTION, OR YOU ADDRESS ANY ISSUES IF THAT GOAL HAS NOT BEEN ACHIEVED. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO, I GUESS GET TO, IS IF, IF WE'RE SEEING AN EMPLOYEE THAT'S NOT MEETING THE GOALS, ARE THEY PUT ON PROBATION? DO WE GIVE THEM A, A TIME TO, TO REMEDY, UH, OR TRY TO GET TO THAT EXCEPTIONAL LEVEL? HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW HR, HOW WE CAN USE IT AS A TOOL TO SHOW SUCCESS AND GROWTH. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, SO IN GENERAL, EMPLOYEES THAT ARE EVALUATED, IF THEY ARE NOT SUCCESSFUL, THEY'RE PUT ON A PERFORMANCE IMPROVEMENT PLAN. 
          UM, NOW AT THE EXECUTIVE LEVEL, THAT IS NOT TYPICAL. 
          UH, BASICALLY THEY WILL BE PUT IN A PERFORMANCE IMPROVEMENT PLAN, BUT NOT OF THAT NATURE. 
          UM, SO IT WILL BE MORE OF, UH, AN AGREEMENT OF ESTABLISH, YOU KNOW, IMPROVEMENT IN PERFORMANCE AT CERTAIN TIME. 
          EXECUTIVES ARE TYPICALLY, UM, EVALUATED ON FIVE BIG GOALS. 
          IT COULD BE CUSTOMER RELATED, IT COULD BE, UH, RELATED TO EBITDA OR, YOU KNOW, INCOME FINANCIALS. 
          UM, SO TYPICALLY THEY HAVE BIG GOALS FOR THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION. 
          THOSE GOALS ARE SET AHEAD OF TIME. 
          IF THEY MEET THOSE MARKETS, THOSE MARKS, THEY GET REWARDED FOR IT TYPICALLY ARE FINANCIAL REWARDS, SIZABLE FINANCIAL REWARDS. 
          AND IF THEY DON'T, THEN BASICALLY THEY DON'T GET THOSE REWARDS. 
          AND THAT IS THE, THE CONSEQUENCE IF SOMEONE IS CONTINUOUSLY FAILING, TYPICALLY THEY'RE REMOVED FROM THEIR POSITION. 
          AND THAT IS, THAT IS THE STANDARD PROCESS FOR EXECUTIVE LEVEL STAFF AND THE EMPLOYEES THAT REPORT TO COUNCIL. 
          ARE THOSE TYPICALLY, ARE THERE CONTRACTS ESTABLISHED YEAR TO YEAR? IS THERE TERMS SET TO, UH, CONTRACTS ON THOSE THAT REPORT TO COUNCIL? THEIR CONTRACTS ARE DIFFERENT. 
          NOT EVERYONE THAT REPORTS TO COUNCIL HAS A CONTRACT. 
          UM, AND THERE ARE SOME CONTRACTS THAT HAVE A LOT OF, UM, NUANCE AND DETAIL LIKE THE AUDITORS AND ON WHAT IS, HOW IT'S DONE. 
          THERE'S JUST A LOT OF REGULATIONS AROUND THAT PARTICULAR CONTRACT. 
          UM, THE CONTRACT FOR CITY SECRETARY, FOR INSTANCE, DOES NOT EXIST. 
          SO IT IS, IT VARIES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SEAN. 
          WOMAN STEWART. 
          SO IT CONCERNS ME. 
          ALL THE INCONSISTENCIES ARE, ARE CONCERNING. 
          I'D LIKE TO HAVE, I THINK WE WOULD MAYBE FUNCTION BETTER AS AN ORGANIZATION IF EVERY EMPLOYEE WHO REPORTED DIRECTLY TO COUNCIL EITHER HAS A CONTRACT OR DOESN'T HAVE A CONTRACT, AND IF THEY HAVE A CONTRACT, ITS CONTRACT SET ARE SIMILAR, RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE WOULD BE NUANCED CHANGES BASED ON THE POSITION, BUT THERE, THIS IS. 
          SO, UM, UM, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE STAND WITH THOSE EMPLOYEES. 
          AND IT, IT SEEMS TO ME IN AN ORGANIZATION OF THIS SIZE, IT SHOULD BE STANDARDIZED. 
          WE KNOW THAT THE CITY SECRETARY AND THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE, UH, CITY MANAGER AND YOU KNOW, THE INSPECTOR GENERAL, WHOEVER ALL WHATEVER THOSE POSITIONS ARE, WOULD HAVE A CONTRACT. 
          IT'S A CONTRACT THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS NEGOTIATED IN. 
          UM, WE'VE TAKEN THE LEAD ON DRAFTING IT. 
          I, I THINK SOMETIMES WE'VE HAD CITY MANAGERS WHO PERHAPS HAVE BROUGHT CONTRACTS THAT THEY DRAFTED. 
          AND IT, IT IS A NEGOTIATION. 
          I, I DON'T WANT IT IT TO BE AS IF THE CITY SAYS YOU HAVE TO SIGN THIS CONTRACT AND, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO OTHER CHOICE. 
          THAT'S NOT COR THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME CONSISTENCY 
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FROM CONTRACT TO CONTRACT. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT COULD BE VERY VALUABLE TO ALL OF US. 
          AND THAT COULD CONTRACT, THERE WOULD BE JUST AS WE SET A SCHEDULE FOR EVALUATING EACH OF THOSE, UM, EACH OF THOSE PEOPLE ANNUALLY. 
          AND IT'S A, IT'S A SET ROUTINE. 
          WE KNOW EVERY SEPTEMBER THIS HAPPENS. 
          WE KNOW EVERY NOVEMBER THIS HAPPENS AND EVERY DECEMBER THIS HAPPENS. 
          I MEAN, IT'S JUST, UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT'S, I'M MAKING AN ASSUMPTION HERE, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT THE REST OF CITY STAFF HAS SOME KIND OF, UM, EXPECTATION AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT'S HAPPENING. 
          THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY WILL BE EVALUATED X MONTH AND THAT THAT WILL THEN SPEAK TO THEIR, THEIR RAISE. 
          YES. 
          UM, WE'VE JUST DONE THIS FOR THE MCC STAFF. 
          I THOUGHT THE TOOL THAT WE USED WAS PRETTY GOOD. 
          UM, IT, IT, IT WAS BETTER THAN SOME THAT I'VE USED AND MY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT AS GOOD AS OTHERS, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS PRETTY GOOD. 
          AND IT WAS VERY HELPFUL FOR ME THEN TO SIT DOWN WITH MY STAFF AND TO GO THROUGH THEIR GOALS AND, AND, AND, AND WORK THROUGH WHERE WE'RE HEADED, UH, FOR 2025. 
          BUT I THINK WE WILL ALL FUNCTION BETTER IF EVERYONE'S CLEAR ON PROCESS AND ON EXPECTATIONS. 
          AND I, I, I'M SENSING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET. 
          MAYBE WE'VE MADE SOME GOOD PROGRESS, BUT, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO, TO TRY TO STANDARDIZE SOME OF THIS. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          ANYONE THAT'S ON THE COMMITTEE, DO I GO TO SOMEONE ELSE? COUNCILWOMAN SCHU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, NINA, JUST TO CLARIFY, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU. 
          UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR E EVERY, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE SAID, THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT IS ON THIS COMMITTEE, NOT HR. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? WE WILL FACILITATE THE PROCESS. 
          UM, WHATEVER PROCESS YOU, YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO DO, BUT YES, THE, THE, THE DIRECTION A MUST COME FROM COUNCIL. 
          SO, AND, AND I, I THINK YOU'VE BEEN HERE AROUND, I USED TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE AND WE WERE MAKING GREAT STRIDES IN, IN STANDARDIZE EVERY, UH, STANDARDIZING THAT EXACT PROCESS THAT CHAIRMAN MENDELSON MENTIONED, AS WELL AS THE GOALS, EVERYTHING. 
          AND THEN THE, UM, THE COUNCIL, THIS COMMITTEE CHANGED. 
          AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS CONTINUITY. 
          'CAUSE AGAIN, I'M NOT ON THAT COMMITTEE, BUT HAVE YOU, THROUGH YOUR DEPARTMENT, HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO, TO WORK ON THIS? YOU KNOW, HAS, HAS THAT BEEN PART OF THE PROCESS? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT. 
          WE HAVE SUPPORTED THE PROCESS, UM, AS, I MEAN SINCE IN THE LAST YEAR. 
          'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD EVALUATIONS OF ANYBODY SINCE ALL THOSE CHANGE, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS SHOULD, BUT AS PART OF OUR CONTRACT WITH BAKER TILLY, SHOULD THEY BE CONTACTING US TO SAY, HEY, Y'ALL TIME, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PAYING US TO DO THESE EVALUATIONS, YOU HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING. 
          ARE YOU GUYS GONNA DO THESE? LIKE, HAS THAT HAPPENED? IS THAT PART OF THEIR CONTRACT? IT'S NOT PART OF THEIR CONTRACT THAT I CAN RECALL. 
          UM, BUT THEY TYPICALLY DO IT. 
          SO THEY HAVE, HOW DO YOU KNOW IF THEY HAVE MANAGEMENT PARTNERS USED TO DO THAT? UH, BAKER TILLY HAS NOT HAD DONE IT. 
          SO IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, THE YEARS THAT WE'VE HAD THEM, THAT'S PART THAT COULD BE PART OF THE FALLOUT. 
          YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO SORT OF NUDGE PEOPLE TO GET THEIR JOB DONE. 
          AND IT'S OUR JOB TO BE DOING THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          MY OTHER QUESTION IS, I NOTICED IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT THE BAKER TILLY CONTRACT ACTUALLY EXPIRED IN JULY. 
          SO DID I MISS THAT? IT SAYS BAKER TILLY 7 0 7 1 25. 
          MY, BUT THAT'S A ZERO. 
          SO I'M, SO WE'VE ALREADY SIGNED THE SUPPLEMENTAL NUMBER THREE, BUT THERE'S NO FEE FOR IT. 
          WHY IS THAT SUPPLEMENTAL NUMBER THREE, UH, EXTENDED THE TIME. 
          WE, WE, WE REALIZED THAT IT WAS NOT DONE IN 24, AND THEN WE WANTED TO SEND THE TIME BECAUSE THERE WAS REMAINING $138,000 IN THE CONTRACT. 
          SO THEY HAD, SO BETWEEN, SO DO WE HAVE EVALUATIONS OF THEM FROM MAY OF 21 TILL MAY OF 24 IN THE 138,000 THAT WE PAID THEM? DO WE KNOW WHAT, WHAT THEIR WORK PRODUCT WAS? BAKER DLY HAD SOME, WE'D MAKE HAVE TO MAKE SOME PAYMENTS TO THEM THAT WERE LIKE IN BETWEEN WHEN THEY MOVED FROM MANAGEMENT PARTNERS, BUT IT WAS MANAGEMENT PARTNERS WORK. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, REGARDLESS, DO WE HAVE THE WORK PRODUCT FROM THEM? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT WORK PRODUCT WAS THE EVALUATION OF THE PREVIOUS, THAT WAS ALL THAT STUFF THAT WAS GOING ON WITH OUR PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD AN EVALUATION OF THE NEW CITY ATTORNEY OR, OR SINCE WITH THE CITY SECRETARY OR THE AUDITOR SINCE THEN, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          SO THERE'S REALLY NOT BEEN A WORK PRODUCT OTHER THAN THAT LITTLE BIT THAT WE DID EARLY ON FROM BAKER TILLY, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          AND THAT OVERSIGHT OF THAT COMMITTEE OF THIS PARTICULAR 
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VENDOR IS, IS US CORRECT? THIS COMMITTEE? YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          ANYONE ELSE? UH, COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, I WOULD CONCUR THAT WE NEED A SET PROCESS BECAUSE WE WERE MOVING TOWARD THAT, AND UNFORTUNATELY IN THE LAST SCENARIO, WE HAD VOLATILITY AROUND THE CITY MANAGER ROLE. 
          IT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ELECTION, AND IT, THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT HOW IT COULD BE POLITICIZED. 
          AND SO I WOULD SAY THAT WE NEED THAT. 
          UH, AND ALSO THE METRICS. 
          WE, UM, THERE ARE CONSULTANTS WHO CAN WORK ON THAT. 
          HOWEVER, THERE'S ALSO THE INTERNATIONAL CITY, COUNTY MAN, UH, MANAGER ASSOCIATION THAT ALSO GIVES SOME REALLY GOOD GUIDEPOSTS THAT YOU CAN ADAPT TO WHAT YOUR CITY NEEDS. 
          SO, UM, I I THINK THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY GET THERE. 
          MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'VE HAD, UH, OUR COUNCIL APPOINTED EMPLOYEES IN LIMBO  ON THEIR EVALUATIONS FOR GOING ON TWO YEARS. 
          AND, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO BE SENSITIVE TO THAT IN WHATEVER PATH FORWARD WE WERE, WE TAKE, UH, I DO THINK WE NEED TO PROCURE A PARTNER AT A HIGH LEVEL, BUT I ALSO WANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THESE EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE BEEN WAITING, UH, WHILE OUR OTHER EMPLOYEES IN THE BUILDING, UH, HAVE A PROCESS AND HAVE A TIMELINE. 
          THESE REALLY CRITICAL LEADERS, UH, ARE JUST KIND OF BEING FALLING BY THE WAYSIDE, AND THAT'S CO COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE. 
          SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE TO SHARE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN RIDLEY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          SO NINA, ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT WE CHANGE OUR PROCEDURE FOR EVALUATING THESE EXECUTIVE OFFICERS THIS YEAR? OR THAT IT STAY THE SAME AS IT WAS THE LAST TIME WE DID IT? UH, SO IT IS, IT'S AT THE, UM, IT'S AT THE, UM, PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL. 
          I I REALLY BELIEVE THE THEIR, EITHER WAY YOU COULD DO AN EVALUATION, THE FASTEST, MOST EXPEDIENT WAY IS TO USE THE CONTRACT THAT IS IN PLACE IF YOU WOULD LIKE. 
          BUT WE WILL NEED TO STAY WITH THAT VENDOR AND WITH THAT PROCESS THAT IS IN THAT CONTRACT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          SO THAT IS, THERE'S PROS AND CONS OF DOING IT EITHER WAY. 
          IF WE GO WITH A NEW VENDOR WITH NEW PARAMETERS, WITH NEW SPECIFICATIONS AND PROCESS, THEN WE'LL NEED TO GO THROUGH A PROCUREMENT PROCESS. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE VERY LONG SINCE WE CAN DO AN INFORMAL PROCESS, IT'S GOING TO BE UNDER A HUNDRED THOUSAND. 
          BUT THAT WILL ADD TO THE, TO THE, UH, TIMELINE. 
          SO THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE, UH, MORE APPROPRIATE FOR COUNSEL TO DO? AND, AND I'LL, I'LL LEAVE UP TO YOU THAT DECISION. 
          SO TO SUMMARIZE, WE HAVE A CONTRACT EXTENSION WITH BAKER TILLY THAT'S FULLY PAID UP UNDER WHICH THEY WILL PERFORM THE PROCEDURE THAT THEY HAVE IN THE PAST TO HELP US EVALUATE THE EXECUTIVE OFFICERS. 
          HOWEVER, WE CAN CHANGE THE VENDOR AT ADDITIONAL COST AND TIME FOR PROCUREMENT, OR WE CAN CHANGE THE PROCEDURE UNDER BAKER TILLEY'S CONTRACT. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          AND IF I MAY CLARIFY, UM, WE HAVE NOT PAID THEM. 
          IF I CAN, IF WE CAN GO TO SLIDE NUMBER THREE. 
          WE HAVE $133,000, 150 REMAINING THAT HAVE NOT BEEN PAID. 
          SO IF WE WERE TO CHANGE VENDORS, THAT MONEY WOULD NOT BE LOST. 
          SO WE HAVEN'T PAID BAKER TILL 133,000 UNDER THIS EXISTING CONTRACT. 
          CORRECT. 
          WHY IS THAT? UH, WHY DO WE HAVE THE $133,000 LEFT? BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT USED THEM. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO THEIR BILLING IS JUST ON WHAT AN HOURLY OR TASK BASIS AND THERE'S THAT MUCH OF THE CONTRACT AMOUNT THAT HASN'T BEEN, UM, PAID BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T USED THEIR SERVICES TO THAT EXTENT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH BAKER TILLY'S WORK IN THE PAST IN THIS CONNECTION, OR WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THAT WE LOOK AT A DIFFERENT VENDOR? WE HAVE NOT SEEN BAKER TILLY IN ACTION IN THIS ARENA, IN THIS AREA, SO I, I, IT WOULD NOT BE FAIR FOR ME TO ASSESS THEIR WORK IN THIS AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE THERE OTHER VENDORS THAT YOU FEEL ARE CAPABLE OF DOING THIS KIND OF WORK THAT YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH? OTHER THAN BAKER TILLY? YES. 
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UH, MANAGEMENT PARTNERS, WHICH IS NO LONG, NO LONGER IN EXISTENCE, DID AN EXCELLENT JOB I THINK AT, UH, COMMUNICATING THEY WERE VERY GOOD AT WITH THE COMMUNICATION PIECE. 
          UM, THERE, THERE ARE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT DO IT AS WELL. 
          UM, YOU HAVE, MERCER HAS A DIVISION THAT DOES IT. 
          UM, I BELIEVE, UM, UM, BAIN AND COMPANY ALSO ANY ORGANIZATION THAT DOES, UM, I WILL SAY EVALUATION OF EXECUTIVE STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE OR HR SERVICES, TALENT MANAGEMENT SERVICES, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES. 
          SO WHY DID WE CHANGE VENDORS FROM MANAGEMENT PARTNERS TO BAKER TILLY? BAKER TILLY ACQUIRE MANAGEMENT MANAGEMENT PARTNERS. 
          THEY BOUGHT THEM UP. 
          OH, SO IN ORDER TO GO BACK TO MANAGEMENT PARTNERS, WE'D ACTUALLY BE USING BAKER TILLY? YEAH. 
          AND I BELIEVE MANAGEMENT PARTNERS, I DUNNO IF IT'S A DIVISION. 
          I BELIEVE THEY WERE JUST DISSOLVE AND THEY TOOK OVER THE FIRM'S PORTFOLIO. 
          OH, SO MANAGEMENT PARTNERS IS INDEPENDENT OF BAKER TILLY AGAIN? I DON'T THINK SO. 
          NO. 
          NO. 
          THEY'VE BEEN ACQUIRED BY BAKER TILL THEY'VE BEEN ACQUIRED. 
          OKAY. 
          I MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU HAVE HAD EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH BAKER TILLY IN THAT THEY HAVE INCORPORATED THE MANAGEMENT PARTNERS PERSONNEL? YES. 
          WELL, MY UNDERSTANDING IS LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT USE THAT WORK WITH US FROM MANAGEMENT PARTNERS ARE NO LONGER WITH BAKER TO. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO HAVE THEY GONE TO SOME OTHER FIRM AS, AS A GROUP OR HAVE THEY SCATTERED TO THE FOUR WINS? I THINK THEY SCATTERED TO THE FOUR WINS WE HAVE. 
          UH, I KNOW FOR INSTANCE, UM, THAT JEN PERKINS, WHO WAS THE PERSON LEADING THE PROCESS PRIOR, UH, REACH OUT AND SAY, HEY, I'M NO LONGER WITH BAKER TILLY AND MANAGEMENT PARTNERS, SO I'M NOW WITH ANOTHER FIRM. 
          SO I DO HAVE THAT CONTACT INFORMATION. 
          UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T KNOW EVERYBODY ELSE WHERE, WHERE THEY ARE FOR CERTAIN, I DON'T HAVE THEIR CONTACT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          WELL, IF WE WERE HAPPY WITH HER WORK AT MANAGEMENT PARTNERS, AND WE DON'T KNOW THE PEOPLE AT BAKER TILLY WHO WOULD TAKE THIS ON, I'D BE INTERESTED IN GETTING A PROPOSAL FROM HER FOR HER TO PUT A TEAM TOGETHER TO OFFER HER SERVICES. 
          IS THAT FEASIBLE? WE WILL NEED A STANDARD INFORMAL PROCUREMENT AND WE'LL INVITE HER TO PARTICIPATE. 
          ACTUALLY, SHE SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO BID IN THE FUTURE IF YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITIES. 
          SO WE WILL INVITE HER, BUT WE WILL NEED TO ALSO INVITE ANYONE ELSE WHO IN THAT SPHERE PROVIDES THOSE SERVICES. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          YES. 
          SO HOW LONG WOULD THAT DELAY OUR PROCESS? UM, I BELIEVE ABOUT A MONTH WE COULD DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WITH, UM, VENDORS THAT WE BRING BEFORE COUNCIL FOR, UM, RECRUITMENT PROCESSES IN WHICH THEY COME IN, THEY DO PRESENTATIONS IN FRONT OF COUNCIL. 
          THERE'S USUALLY ONE MEETING THEY DO QUICK PRESENTATIONS, AND THEN BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK, UH, WE MAKE THE FINAL SELECTION. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          WELL, MR. CHAIR, I'D BE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT SINCE THIS INDIVIDUAL IS SOMEONE WE HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH. 
          UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH BAKER TILL IN THIS ARENA. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN MORENO, THANK YOU. 
          UH, NINA, DO WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM BAKER TILLY WHO CAN PERHAPS ENLIGHTEN US WITH SOME OF THEIR, UH, EXPERIENCE ON HOW THEY CAN, UH, POTENTIALLY CARRY THIS ON? UH, BUT OVERALL, I DO THINK IT WOULD BE WISE TO HEAR FROM, UH, OTHER FIRMS OR, OR CLIENTS ON WHAT EXPERIENCE THEY BRING. 
          I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S WHAT WE DID WHEN ANYTIME WE'RE TRYING TO HIRE A NEW FIRM, WE GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VARIOUS, UM, FOLKS TO, TO APPLY. 
          AND SO I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM THAT ORGANIZATION THAT CAN POTENTIALLY, UH, TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT THEIR FIRM OFFER CAN OFFER US. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          I THINK WE DEFINITELY CAN REACH OUT TO BAKER TILLY AND THEY CAN PROVIDE, UM, MORE DETAILS OF HOW THEY WILL IMPLEMENT THE CONTRACT THAT IS IN PLACE. 
          UM, THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED BECAUSE OF THAT TRANSITION, AND THEY WERE NOT PART OF THE REGIONAL SOLICITATION. 
          UM, IN ADDITION, IF, UM, AFTER THAT COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH LOOKING FOR A NEW VENDOR, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO SEND OUT THE SOLICITATION AND THEN BRING TO YOU, UH, RESPONDENTS. 
          THANK YOU THAT YEAH. 
          THAT MAY, MAY BE ABLE TO DO IT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AHEAD. 
          [00:30:01]
OH, MS. MILLI, GO AHEAD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, I'LL JUST SAY I, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF CONTINUED DELAYS. 
          UH, YOU'VE ALREADY POINTED OUT QUITE STARKLY THAT WE HAVE DELAYED THIS PROCESS, UM, I THINK UNFAIRLY TO OUR DIRECT REPORTS, AND I'M READY TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          THE SECOND POINT I'LL MAKE IS THAT WHILE I THINK WE ALL ACTUALLY ENJOYED INTERACTING WITH THE CONSULTANTS AT MANAGEMENT PARTNERS, YOU KNOW, WE USED THEM FOR MANY YEARS AND THEY DID NOT PUSH US TO SET A FIRM SCHEDULE. 
          I THINK THAT WAS BAD ADVICE. 
          I THINK A REASONABLE CONSULTANT WOULD'VE SAID, THIS IS THE SCHEDULE YOU NEED TO KEEP TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE DOING ANNUAL PERFORMANCE REVIEWS. 
          AND SECOND, THROUGH ALL THE CONVERSATIONS, THERE IS NOT, UM, ANY KIND OF COALESCING AROUND MEASURABLE GOALS. 
          AND AGAIN, WHEN YOU SET UP A PROCESS TO INDIVIDUALLY SPEAK WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE CONSULTANT HAS TO BE THE PERSON TO BRING THAT FORWARD BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THAT OTHER CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE THEM. 
          I, I, I RECOGNIZE IT'S NO LONGER A FUNCTIONING ENTITY, BUT IT'S, IT'S TIME TO WORK WITH A PROFESSIONAL FIRM THAT WILL HELP US SET THIS IN A A, IN, IN A PROFESSIONAL STANDARD ORGANIZATIONAL PACKAGE THAT INCLUDES, AGAIN, A REGULAR CALENDAR MEASURABLE PER MEASURABLE PERFORMANCE GOALS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE CAN JUST CONTINUE GOING BACK TO SOMETHING JUST BECAUSE IT'S COMFORTABLE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I, I'M READY TO MOVE ON. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER PEOPLE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS, BUT IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REPORTING TO US AND THINGS TAKE A LONG TIME AT CITY HALL. 
          LET'S NOT MAKE IT LONGER THAN IT NEEDS TO BE. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I'M NOT THRILLED WITH THE FACT THAT I'VE, I'VE WORKED WITH DOZENS OF CONSULTANTS IN MYRIAD SITUATIONS IN MY CAREER, AND IT, THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF RESPONSIBILITY ON THE PART OF THAT CONTRACT, WHETHER IT'S IN THE CONTRACT OR NOT, OF THAT CONTRACT DOOR TO GET PAID TO DO THE WORK SO THAT THEY CAN GET PAID AND TO, AND TO, UH, ENCOURAGE US TO DO THAT. 
          THAT SAID, THIS PROBLEM IS OURS. 
          AS A COUNCIL, WE HAVE NOT DONE OUR WORK. 
          AND SO WE CAN TRY TO SPEND ALL OF OUR TIME DIVERTING ALL THE PROBLEM AND BLAME ON BAKER TILLY. 
          WHETHER OR NOT THEY STAY OUR CONSULTANT IS, IS NOT THE POINT. 
          THE POINT OF THIS IS THAT FOR YEARS, AT LEAST AS LONG, THE THREE AND A HALF YEARS I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, I HAVE BEEN TRYING, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS, OTHER PEOPLE TO GET THIS PROCESS IN ORDER. 
          AND THE DELAY IS US 100% US. 
          AND SO WE CAN TRY TO CAST THAT BLAME SOMEWHERE ELSE ALL WE WANT, OR WE CAN ACTUALLY GET OUR ACT TOGETHER AND WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THE EMPLOYEES THAT WE SUPERVISE AND THAT WE, UH, DETERMINE THEIR FATE. 
          AND IT IS ACTUALLY, UM, IT IS ACTUALLY A, A SOME COULD ARGUE A, IT'S CERTAINLY A MORAL SIN TO, TO DO THIS. 
          IT IS NOT FAIR AT ALL TO OUR SENIOR EMPLOYEES TO LIVE WITHOUT AN EVALUATION, TO LIVE WITHOUT THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          WHETHER IT'S A CONTRACT IN THE CASE OF OUR SECRETARY OR OTHERS. 
          THIS IS JUST WRONG AND IT'S ON US. 
          SO IF WE CANNOT FIGURE OUT TODAY WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE EXPEDITIOUS TIMELINE THROUGH WHICH WE WILL USE, FINISH OUR CONTRACT WITH BAKER TILLY AND NOT JACK AROUND WITH FINDING SOMEBODY ELSE, AND IN FACT DO THE WORK THAT WE NEED TO BE DOING FOR THE EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAVE, THEN WE DESERVE WHAT WE WILL GET, WHAT WE DESERVE. 
          AND IF WE LOOK AT THE LIST, WE'RE GETTING IT, WE ARE GETTING IT, WE ARE GETTING THE RESPONSE. 
          AND SO I AM VERY, VERY UPSET. 
          I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED IN US. 
          AND I WANNA SEE SOME ACTION AND SOME RESOLUTION FROM THIS COMMITTEE TODAY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE TIMELINE TO EVALUATE OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          WE JUST VOTED AND, AND MANY OF THE PEOPLE HERE VOCIFEROUSLY ARGUED FOR TAKING ON YET ANOTHER EMPLOYEE IN THE INSPECTOR GENERAL. 
          AND WE CAN'T EVEN SUPERVISE THAT PERSON. 
          I MEAN, HOW ARE WE GONNA DO THIS IF WE WON'T TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO MEET EVERY SINGLE WEEK, IF THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO GET THESE PEOPLE THE RESPECT THAT THEY DESERVE PROFESSIONALLY. 
          SO, SO I, I HOPE THAT WHAT YOU ALL WILL DO, SINCE I HAVE NO AUTHORITY IN THIS COMMITTEE AND I WAS REMOVED FROM THIS COMMITTEE, 
          [00:35:01]
I HOPE THAT YOU ALL TODAY WILL SAY, BEGINNING JANUARY ONE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. 
          SO THAT EVERYBODY IS EVALUATED AND COMPLETED BY MARCH. 
          IF IT MEANS WE MEET EVERY SINGLE WEEK TO DO IT, BECAUSE TWO YEARS THEY HAVE BEEN WAITING, IT IS JUST WRONG. 
          AND IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT ON US. 
          IF WE HAVE A BAD CONSULTANT, THEN WE'LL FIND THAT OUT. 
          BUT WE HAVEN'T EVEN USED THAT CONSULTANT. 
          SO THAT'S THAT. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE? CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, WHILE TIME OF COURSE IS IMPORTANT, IT'S ALSO CRITICAL THAT WE ENGAGE THE RIGHT CONSULTANT TO HELP US. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE IN JUST ACCEPTING THE DEFAULT CHOICE OF BAKER TILLY, WHO WE HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH IN THIS ARENA. 
          WE SHOULD HAVE A COMPETITIVE PROCESS WHERE WE HAVE A CHOICE INSTEAD OF SIMPLY A DEFAULT. 
          WE NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER CHOICES, INCLUDING BAKER TILLY. 
          IF THEY WANNA PARTICIPATE AND THEY HAVE THE STAFF TO DO IT, AS COUNCILMAN MORENO SUGGESTED, WE NEED TO TALK WITH THEM, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO TALK WITH OTHERS SO THAT WE HAVE A CLEAR CHOICE OF THE BEST CONSULTANT TO HELP US. 
          THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT IN MY MIND THAN RUSHING TO JUDGMENT AND GETTING THIS DONE HAPHAZARDLY. 
          ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. 
          UH, NUMBER ONE, I GUESS NINA, UM, THIS, UH, PROCESS AND PROCEDURE, UH, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THIS CAME TO THE COMMITTEE AND WHEN DID IT COME TO THE COMMITTEE? THE LAST TIME I CAME TO COMMITTEE, I DO NOT RECALL. 
          SORRY. 
          CAME IN THE, CAME TO COMMITTEE RIGHT? THE LAST TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE, UM, WHAT, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THAT THIS CAME TO COMMITTEE? THAT'S CORRECT, YES. 
          UH, I DO NOT RECALL THE EXACT DATE. 
          I CAN FIND THAT OUT FOR YOU. 
          WELL, I WANT TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE I JUST, UM, STARTED THIS COMMITTEE NOT TOO LONG AGO AS A CHAIRMAN. 
          AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I WAS NOT THE ONE, UM, WHO WAS, UM, DELAYED THIS. 
          AND AS A CHAIRMAN, I REQUEST THIS A LONG TIME AGO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THIS A PROCESS AND A SCHEDULE AND A TIME AND, AND THAT'S WHY WE GOT IT TODAY. 
          AND, AND THAT'S WHY WE IN THE PROCESS, UH, TO MAKE SURE WE GOT A SCOPE OF WORK, THE METRIC THAT WE NEED TO HAVE TO DO THAT. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY I PUT THIS ON THE COMMITTEE TODAY 'CAUSE THOUGHT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT BEFORE WE HIRE A CITY MANAGER, THE INSPECTOR GENERAL. 
          SO WE HAVE THAT. 
          AND SO OUR COLLEAGUES WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHIME IN. 
          SO THIS TIMELINE THAT YOU PRESENT US TODAY, IS THIS A FIRM TIMELINE? CAN IT BE SHORTENED, UH, OF WHAT DO IT TAKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT THE METRIC AND THE SCHEDULE AND HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO GET BACK TO THE COMMITTEE? YEAH, THE TIMELINE THAT WAS PRESENTED IS WHAT WE WOULD STAND, YOU KNOW, DO NORMALLY. 
          AND THE ABILITY TO SHORTEN WILL DEPEND ON THE AVAILABILITY OF THE, UH, VENDOR WHICH WE NEED TO CONTACT AND AVAILABILITY OF COUNCIL MEMBERS AS WELL. 
          WOULD YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN? THE, TO SHORTEN THE TIME, WE WILL NEED A COMMITMENT FROM THE VENDOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS TO ACTUALLY MEET MORE OFTEN TO BE ABLE TO SHORTEN THAT TIMELINE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE, WE HAVE A COMMITTEE. 
          CAN YOU MEET WITH A COMMITTEE? THEN WE MEET WITH A COUNCILMAN AS A BRIEFING AS A WHOLE, BUT WE CAN GET STARTED. 
          SO WHEN IS THE TIMELINE WE CAN GET STARTED? I, I CAN CONTACT UPON DIRECTION OF, UH, COUNCIL. 
          I CAN CONTACT THE VENDOR IMMEDIATELY AND ASK THEM FOR A SCHEDULE, MAKE SURE THAT THEY, UH, CONFIRM THAT THIS SCHEDULE WORKS FOR THEM AND, AND THEN WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED IMMEDIATELY THE CONTRACT IS IN PLACE. 
          SO IF WE ARE MOVING WITH BAKER TILLY, WE CAN START RIGHT AWAY. 
          RIGHT AWAY. 
          SO, SO THEREFORE, CAN YOU, UH, GIVE US SCHEDULE BY MONDAY BY ONE O'CLOCK? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A SPECIAL CALL MEETING MONDAY AT ONE O'CLOCK. 
          SO THEREFORE AT OUR COMMITTEE, WE'RE GONNA BE THE ONE O'CLOCK ON MONDAY BECAUSE I ON VERY TIGHT TIMELINE RIGHT NOW TO GET THIS REDONE TO GET IT DONE. 
          SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE GO PROCESS BY PROCESS AND PROCEDURE BY SEIZURE TO EVERYTHING THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ASK FOR. 
          WE NEED THAT BECAUSE IT DELAYED DELAY. 
          EVERYBODY SAYING DELAY, DELAY, BUT IT'S ABOUT THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURE. 
          AND SO THEREFORE I WANT TO GET THAT. 
          AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE SAY, HEY, CAN IT HAPPEN? CANNOT HAPPEN IF WE CANNOT GET IT DONE. 
          IT STILL BE OPEN TO DISCUSS WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT PROCESS TO GET IT DONE. 
          BUT AT LEAST TO GET ON THE SCHEDULE, AT LEAST TO GET BACK TO THE COMMITTEE, UM, TR READILY, WELL, NINA, COULD BAKER TILLEY BE PREPARED TO PROVIDE, UH, A, UM, PRESENTATION TO THIS COMMITTEE ON MONDAY? NOT JUST ON THEIR POTENTIAL SCHEDULE, BUT THEIR QUALIFICATIONS TO DO THIS WORK AND HOW THEY WOULD APPROACH IT? 
          [00:40:01]
I, I BELIEVE BAKER TILL IS HERE TODAY. 
          I THINK THAT THEY WAS HERE TODAY. 
          UH, WE CAN ASK THEM WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY GET UP IN THE NEXT ITEM SO WE CAN ASK THAT QUESTION TO THEM SO THEY CAN GET TOGETHER. 
          BUT YOU CAN ASK THEM. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S, IN ORDER WHAT YOU SAYING? YOU ASKING NILA, NILA GET WITH BAKER TILL THEY HUDDLED UP AND THEY COME UP WITH A TIMELINE, THEN BY MONDAY THEY CAN SAY, OKAY, WE CAN DO IT. 
          WE CANNOT DO IT. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S FAIR. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          CHAIRMAN, MIDDLE. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO I CAN, I CAN BE HERE MONDAY AT ONE. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU CAN TELL US EXACTLY WHAT THE AGENDA ITEM IS. 
          UH, WE NOT, WE HAVE NOT GOT TO THAT AGENDA ITEM. 
          THE AGENDA ITEM WOULD BE ON MONDAY, WOULD BE THE CITY MANAGER AGAIN. 
          BUT LIKE WHAT WOULD WE BE DOING, UH, WHEN I GET TO BEC TILLERSON THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THIS BECAUSE WE ON A DIFFERENT ITEM NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, UM, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNFAIR TO SAY ABOUT THIS COMMITTEE AND NOT WORKING QUICKLY IN THE FIVE AND A HALF YEARS I'VE SERVED ON COUNCIL, THE FASTEST I'VE EVER SEEN ANYTHING GET DONE IS THE PROCUREMENT FOR THE CITY MANAGER CONSULTANT. 
          AND, UM, THERE WAS A COMMITMENT FROM EVERYONE ON THIS COUNCIL. 
          WE MET FREQUENTLY, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOING, UM, PROCUREMENT TRAINING, GOING THROUGH ALL THE PROPOSALS, SCORING THEM AND INTERVIEWING THEM. 
          I MEAN, THAT WAS REALLY THE FASTEST I'VE EVER SEEN ANYTHING HAPPEN AT CITY HALL. 
          SO I THINK THE COMMITMENT TO GET IT STARTED, EVEN FOR THIS PROCESS WAS VERY, VERY FAST. 
          SOMETHING ALONG THE WAY HAS HAPPENED THOUGH, THAT HAS SLOWED IT DOWN. 
          AND SO, UM, SOME OF THOSE MISSTEPS HAVE TO DO WITH LIKE THE BROCHURE AND I MEAN, JUST, JUST THE THINGS WE HAVE TO CHECK MARK. 
          SO WE DO NEED STAFF AND THE CONSULTANT TO ALSO COME PREPARED. 
          BUT I'M JUST GONNA SAY CHAIR, YOU HAVE SET AN AGGRESSIVE SCHEDULE. 
          YOU HAVE ASKED ALL OF US TO, UM, TO COMMIT TO IT. 
          I THINK WE HAVE ALWAYS CLEARED OUR SCHEDULES FOR ANY MEETING YOU'VE HAD AND I THINK THAT COMMITMENT REMAINS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE THE OTHER SIDE PREPARED. 
          AND SO HERE WE ARE ON A THURSDAY ASKING FOR A MEETING ON MONDAY AND WE'RE ASKING BAKER TILL TO DO SOME WORK BETWEEN THERE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOME WEEKEND WORK FOR THEM AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THAT SAME LEVEL OF COMMITMENT TO HELP US GET THIS DONE. 
          YOU KNOW, I I DON'T WANNA SAY QUICKLY 'CAUSE WE'RE ALREADY PASSED QUICKLY. 
          , RIGHT? BUT THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, AND I THINK THAT THEY WILL, I THINK THE COMMITTEE THAT A WHOLES US AS A COMMITTEE MEMBERS IS, IS DEDICATED TO GET THIS DONE QUICKLY ON, ON A PROCESS ON A ROAD TO GET A, A CITY MANAGER HIRED. 
          BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW THE PROCESS PROCEDURE TO DO THAT. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO THAT ON LOOKING AT THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW, THE METRIC, YOU KNOW, THE SCHEDULE AND ALL THAT, UH, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, UM, HAVE THIS IN PLACE. 
          SO JUST TO CONFIRM, THE MONDAY MEETING IS NOT ALSO ON EVALUATIONS THOUGH. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS, I WAS HOPING THAT IT WAS GONNA INCLUDE THAT THE MONDAY MEETING IS, IS GONNA BE ON EVALUATION GONNA BE A WHOLE LOT. 
          SO I'M TRYING IT BE BOTH. 
          I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE GET THIS OUT BECAUSE HOW THIS MEETING IS POSTED TODAY, THERE IS SOME STUFF WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT MIGHT HAVE GOOD ENC CLOSED SESSION. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          SO THEREFORE THE BURT, THE CITY ATTORNEY, UM, WHO WILL HANDLE ALL OF THIS, IT'S ON VACATION, SO, BUT WE CAN'T WORRY, WORRY ABOUT IT. 
          THEY GOT SOME BACKUP IN, IN THE ATTORNEY OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THEY COULD KEEP US ON SCHEDULE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, UH, WITH THAT. 
          ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. 
          OKAY, LET'S GET TO THE NEXT ITEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THAT'S ITEM IS BAKER TILLISON, UH, FINALIZED. 
          UH, THIS, UH, FINALIZE A DIS UH, DISCUSSION OF THE CITY MANAGED SEARCH PREPARE FOR BY BAKERS TILLISON. 
          UH, DO, UM, UH, ART IS IS EVER GONNA BE ONLINE ON VIRTUAL? WHAT DO YOU KNOW? NO, NO, WE DON'T. 
          CAN YOU CALL HIM AND SEE WHY, WHY? HE SAID HE HAD ISSUED THE LOGGING IN. 
          HE SENT THE EMAIL, HAD THE ISSUE, THE LOGGING IN. 
          HE WAS USING THE WRONG LINK. 
          SO I SENT HIM THE A NEW AND WE JUST BEAR A SECOND. 
          TRY TO MAKE SURE HE GET ON 
          [00:46:03]
MAYOR PRO. 
          TEM EDWARD SAID HE HAS EMAILED THE, THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE. 
          HOLD ON, HOLD ON. 
          AND CHRIS ZEL, CAN YOU FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH, WITH THE, THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH HIM ALLOWING HIM TO SEND THE, THE LINK, BUT I DON'T WANNA GET STARTED TO HE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          [00:51:22]
OKAY, I THINK WE BACK ON THERE. 
          THANK YOU MR. ELWOOD FOR JOINING US. 
          CAN YOU HEAR US? CAN YOU HEAR US? I CAN'T HEAR YOU. 
          MR. ELWOOD, CAN YOU HEAR US? CAN YOU SPEAK SO WE CAN HEAR YOU? WE STILL CANNOT HEAR YOU. 
          YOU STILL MUTED? WE CANNOT HEAR YOU. 
          ART. 
          YOU WANT TO TEXT HIM AND SAY WE CANNOT, CAN YOU PLEASE? LEMME YAY. 
          . 
          WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ART, GO AHEAD. 
          MAYOR PRO TEM ATKINS AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE A LITTLE BIT CLOSE TO THE MIC, PLEASE. 
          MAYOR PRO TEM ATKINS AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, UH, THANK YOU, UH, FOR MEETING WITH US TODAY. 
          UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE, ON NOVEMBER 7TH, WE SENT YOU A SEMI-FINALIST REPORT, UH, THAT, UH, CONTAINED, UH, RECOMMENDED FOUR, UH, SEMI-FINALISTS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER, UH, WITH THEIR BACKGROUND, UH, LINKS TO THEIR VIDEO, AS WELL AS, UM, UM, UM, UH, SUMMARY OF THE, THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED THE CANDIDATES. 
          WE'VE ALSO, UH, EDWARD AND I INTERVIEWED THOSE BY PHONE, THOSE FOUR CANDIDATES. 
          AND, UM, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN 50 APPLICANTS, UH, UH, AS OF THAT DATE AND AS OF NOVEMBER 21ST. 
          UH, AND THOSE, THE LIST OF THOSE NAMES, UH, YOU SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF THOSE LISTS. 
          UH, THAT INCLUDES, UH, UH, THEIR TITLE, UH, THE, THEIR ORGANIZATION AND THEIR, UH, THE STATE WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED. 
          UM, YOU ALSO HAVE A LIST. 
          UH, YOU SHOULD HAVE, UH, COPIES OF THE, UH, ALL THE COVER LETTERS AND RESUMES THAT WERE SUBMITTED, UM, WITH, UH, THE, UH, INFORMATION THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE, UH, BLACKED OUT, UH, AS PER LAW. 
          UH, WE HAVE DONE THAT. 
          UM, SO YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THAT INFORMATION BEFORE YOU, UH, EDWARD, COULD YOU, UH, UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, ARE YOU, ARE YOU LINKED IN NOW? CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF OUR INITIAL PROCESS? WE STILL CAN'T HEAR YOU. 
          CHRIS, CAN YOU FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON? 
          [00:55:13]
MR. EDWARD? CAN YOU HEAR US NOW? CAN YOU, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. 
          WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. 
          DIDN'T WE HEAR HIM EARLIER? YES, WE DID. 
          OKAY, LET'S DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          CALL HIM ON YOUR PHONE. 
          PUT YOUR PHONE TO THE MIC. 
          CALL MR. EVERYONE ON THE PHONE. 
          PUT YOUR PHONE TO THE MIC AND WE CAN HEAR HIM. 
          WE'RE, YOUR TECHNOLOGY PERSON HAS MY PHONE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE, WE CAN, WE CAN'T DO THAT. 
          WE CAN'T DO IT. 
          IT WAS CLEVER. 
          HUH? IT WAS VERY CLEVER. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO, TO MAKE SURE WE HEAR WE DON'T LOSE A MEETING. 
          YOU KNOW, HE STILL IS THERE. 
          HE'S STILL THERE, RIGHT? YOU CAN DO THAT IF THE CAMERA'S STILL SHOWING. 
          I THOUGHT SO. 
          OH, THE ATTORNEY SAID WE CANNOT, THAT'D BE HIS VOICE, I GUESS. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          SO, SO I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY. 
          ASK AN ATTORNEY. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          EVERYBODY WANNA CORRECT ME? SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          I THOUGHT SO LONG. 
          HIS CAMERA IS STILL ON. 
          HE CAN PUT HIS PHONE TO THE MIC AND WE STILL CAN HEAR HIM BECAUSE HE GOT LEAVE. 
          PARDON? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY GONNA HAVE, WE HAVE AN ECHO. 
          ECHO. 
          CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT, EDWARD? YES, I CAN. 
          YES, I CAN. 
          I CAN. 
          IT'S JUST NOT WORKING. 
          IT'S ECHOING. 
          HEY, LET'S KIND OF PROCEED WITH ADAM, BUT I, I THINK THAT, UH, WE, WE NEED TO SPEAK TO HIM. 
          SO, UM, BE ON PERSONAL MONDAY. 
          AIRWOOD, ARE YOU BE ON PERSONAL MONDAY. 
          HE, TO MUTE WHAT HE'S HEARING ARE, IF, IF HE TURNS HIS AUDIO OFF ON HIS END, ON HIS END. 
          THAT'S WHAT WAS ECHOING. 
          HI. 
          HIS, HIS, UH, AUDIO NEEDS TO BE COMPLETELY OFF AND JUST FOCUS ON THE, UH, CAMERA BEING ON SO WE CAN SEE HIM. 
          AND THE ONLY AUDIO WILL BE FROM THE PHONE, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          NO, HE GOT CAN YOU, EDWARD, CAN YOU MUTE IT, UH, ON YOUR CAMERA, YOUR COMPUTER? OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, FOR SOME REASON IT'S ECHOING. 
          WELL HOLD ON. 
          OKAY. 
          I'VE REMOVED AUDIO AND VIDEO FROM, SO I'M LISTENING FROM AUDIO FROM AND THE MICROPHONE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO CAN YOU, CAN YOU HEAR ME ALL? YES, THEY CAN HEAR YOU ALSO. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          UH, I GUESS, OR YOU NEED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION BECAUSE YOU WERE, WERE TALKING TO HIM YES. 
          AND SAID, YOU KNOW, COULD YOU, EDWARD, COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT, IN MORE DETAIL THAT I'VE DESCRIBED ON THE, THE, UM, NARROWING THE CANDIDATES DOWN AND, AND TO THE FOR AND, UM, UM, MAKE SURE I COVERED WHAT WE NEEDED TO COVER. 
          ESSENTIALLY, WE MET WITH THE COMMITTEE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE, AND IDENTIFIED OR ESTABL A DESIRED CANDIDATE PROFILE THAT ADDRESSED THE ISSUE OF EDUCATION, EXPERIENCE, SKILLS, AND SO ON, LEADERSHIP STYLE, DEVELOP, LAUNCH, THE PROCESS. 
          AND AS OF THE FIRST REVIEW DATE, WE REVIEWED, UH, 50 APPLICATIONS, UM, CREATED A SEMI-FINALIST GROUP OR INDIVIDUALS WHO APPEARED TO MEET THOSE TRAITS, ATTRIBUTES, OR QUALIFICATIONS. 
          UM, DID SOME VIRTUAL AND IN-PERSON INTERVIEW WITH A NUMBER OF CANDIDATES. 
          UM, DID SOME BACKGROUND AND MEDIA CHECK ON THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND PRESENTED FOUR CANDIDATES FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          UM, AT THIS POINT, WE, WE ASKED, WE PRESENTED THOSE CANDIDATES AND ASKED HOW DID THE COMMITTEE OR COUNCIL, UH, DESIRE TO PROCEED WITH THE PROCESS, BE IT BY IDENTIFYING ONE OR TWO OR THREE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS, OR ALL FOUR OR NONE. 
          UM, AND THEN MOVING FORWARD WITH, UH, WE ALSO PROVIDED THE COMMITTEE WITH A SUGGESTED LIST OF LOCATION FOR IN-PERSON COMMUNITY MEET AND GREET, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE REQUESTS OR DIRECTIVES WE RECEIVED. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY. 
          WE PRESENTED A LIST OF FOUR INDIVIDUALS, UM, AND BASICALLY ARE HERE TO HEAR FROM YOU IN TERMS OF, UH, WHETHER YOU FIND ANY OF THE FOUR CANDIDATES ACCEPTABLE, 
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AND WHAT IS YOUR DIRECTIVE MOVING FORWARD, AND IF SO, UM, ALSO THE NEXT STEP AS IT RELATES TO COMMUNITY MEET AND GREET INTERVIEWS AND ULTIMATELY MOVING FORWARD WITH THE SELECTION PROCESS. 
          DID Y'ALL KINDA HEAR THAT CLEARLY AND KINDA UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS? I KNOW IT'S KIND OF DEAL, BUT ALSO, UH, MR. L, WILL YOU BE AVAILABLE TO BE HERE ON MONDAY? SO I HOPE YOU SAY YES BECAUSE WE NEED YOU HERE ON MONDAY AT ONE O'CLOCK. 
          I GUESS THAT WAS A YES. 
          THIS, THIS IS THE FIRST WEEK. 
          I HAVEN'T EVEN CHECKED CALENDARS FIRST. 
          I HEARD ABOUT IT. 
          WELL, WELL, WELL, I KNOW, BUT WE MOVE KIND OF FAST RIGHT NOW. 
          WE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, YOU KNOW, WE KINDA MOVING UP NOW, SO, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, BUT YOU'RE UNDER CONTRACT, SO YOU GOTTA MAKE YOUR TIME AVAILABLE ON OUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WITH THAT, UM, CHAIR MARLEY. 
          SO CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE SELECTION PROCESS WAS TO GET FROM THE SEMI-FINALISTS TO THE FINALISTS AND, AND HOW MANY SEMI-FINALISTS WERE THERE? THESE, THESE ARE NOT THE FINALISTS. 
          THESE ARE WHAT WE RECOMMEND AS THE SEMI-FINALISTS, THE MOST QUALIFIED SEMI-FINALISTS, UM, UH, FROM THAT GROUP OF APPLICANTS. 
          SO THE FOUR THAT YOU HAVE PRESENTED, THOSE ARE JUST THE SEMI-FINALISTS, THE YES. 
          AND WE'RE SUGGESTING THEY'RE ALL QUALIFIED. 
          THEY, UH, ALL MEET, UH, IN LARGE PART, UH, THE CRITERIA THAT WE BUILT INTO THE BROCHURE, WHICH WAS, UH, TWEAKED BY YOU ALL MANY TIMES, AND WHICH WAS LEADERSHIP IN A LARGE COMPLEX ORGANIZATION AND KNOWLEDGE ABOUT LOCAL GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS, VERY STRONG FINANCIAL ACUMEN, UH, STRATEGIC VISION AND EXPERIENCE IMPLEMENTING, UH, STRATEGIC PLANS, STRONG COMMUNICATION SKILLS, UH, MINIMUM 15 YEARS, PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE, FIVE YEARS, UH, IN SENIOR LEADERSHIP POSITIONS, UM, UH, ETHICAL, UH, AND, UH, HIGHLY ETHICAL, UH, AND, UH, IN HIGH INTEGRITY, UH, EXAMPLES OF, OF IN INNOVATIVENESS AND, AND BEING COLLABORATIVE AND EXPERIENCE WITH, UH, DIVERSITY AND IMPLEMENTING A RACIAL, UH, DIVERSITY PLAN WITHIN, UH, THEIR ORGANIZATIONS DURING THEIR CAREER. 
          THESE CANDIDATES HAVE HAD THAT EXPERIENCE. 
          A LOT OF THE CANDIDATES, YOU KNOW, MANY OF 'EM, THAT MANY OF THE APPLICANTS EITHER HAD RECORDS OF SHORT STAYS OR, OR CONCERNS AT SOME POINT, OR DIDN'T HAVE THE LENGTH OF EXPERIENCE IN, IN DIVERSE ORGANIZATIONS FOR A WHOLE HOST OF REASONS. 
          THESE WERE THE FOUR THAT WE VIEWED, UH, AS THE MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATES THAT, UM, YOU COULD LOOK AT AND, UM, ASSESS IF YOU WANTED TO, UH, EITHER NARROW THEM DOWN OR BRING ALL FOUR IN FOR ONSITE INTERVIEWS. 
          SO DID YOU INTERVIEW ALL FOUR OF THE SEMI-FINALISTS? UH, WE DID, UH, PERSONAL, UH, UH, VERBAL INTERVIEWS OF THE CANDIDATES, AND THERE WAS ALSO, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR VIDEOS, VIDEO RESPONSES THAT EVERYONE ON THE COMMITTEE AND THE COUNCIL HAD ACCESS TO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WITH REGARD TO THE OTHER APPLICANTS, DID YOU INTERVIEW ANY OF THOSE OR DID YOU DETERMINE THE FOUR FI SEMI-FINALISTS SOLELY ON THE BASIS OF THEIR RESUMES? WE DID INTERVIEW SEVERAL, UM, WITH VIDEO INTERVIEWS AND, UH, PERSONAL, UH, PHONE INTERVIEWS, BUT FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, IT, THESE WERE, UH, BECAME THE MOST, UH, UH, APPEARED TO BE THE MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATES AND THERE WERE SOME, UH, POTENTIAL, UH, ISSUES WITH, UH, THE OTHER CANDIDATES THAT DIDN'T MAKE THEM APPEAR TO BE THE AS HIGHLY QUALIFIED AS THESE FOUR. 
          DID YOU INTERVIEW CARL SIMPSON? CARL SIMPSON? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE WE DID. 
          NO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHAIRMAN MORENO. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          UM, WE HAD A GREAT INTERVIEW WITH BAKER TELY WHEN WE WERE, UH, DECIDING ON WHICH FIRM TO GO WITH. 
          WE KNOW WE HAD OUR, UH, HICCUPS AND ISSUES WITH OUR COVER SHEET. 
          ONE OF OUR GOALS WAS TO KEEP THE CITY OF DALLAS COUNCIL MEMBERS 
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INVOLVED AND ENGAGED. 
          UM, ONE OF THE GOALS DURING RECRUITING CANDIDATE POOLS WAS FOR A DIVERSE SELECTION. 
          SO IF YOU CAN HELP ME WITH A BREAKDOWN OF ETHNICITIES OF THOSE 50 APPLICATIONS. 
          SURE. 
          FROM THE, UH, OF THE ORIGINAL 50, ONE OF THE GOALS DURING RECRUITING CANDIDATE POOLS WAS FOR A DIVERSE SELECTION. 
          SO IF YOU CAN HELP ME, EDWARD, ME, EDWARD, CAN YOU CATCH YOUR PHONE OFF OF THOSE 50 APPLICATIONS? SURE. 
          UM, OF THE, ON THE 50 CANDIDATES, UH, UH, UH, 76% WERE MALE, 22% WERE FEMALE. 
          UH, NO RESPONSE. 
          WHAT 2%? AND, UH, LEMME SEE HERE. 
          AND OF THE, UH, UH, 50 APPLICANTS, UH, 10% WERE HISPANIC OR LATINO, UH, 36%, UH, BLACK OR AFRICAN AMERICAN, 4% ASIAN. 
          AND, UM, WELL, THAT'S BLOCKED OUT. 
          UM, 10% LATINO, AND I THINK IT'S 42%. 
          WERE CAUCASIANS, LIKE 4% ASIAN, UH, 4% WERE TWO OR MORE RACES, AND 4% WERE NO RESPONSE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ARE, UM, YOU, YOU GUYS HAVE A, A REALLY BIG TEAM, UH, WITH YOUR FIRM, UH, ASIDE FROM YOU AND, UH, MR. UM, WILLIAMS, WHO ELSE WAS PART OF THE SELECTION COMMITTEE? IT WAS, UH, EDWARD WILLIAMS AND MYSELF. 
          AND THEN WE HAD SUPPORT STAFF THAT HELPED, UH, WITH PREPARING DOCUMENTS AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, COORDINATING AND SENDING OUT EMAILS TO, TO ACKNOWLEDGE RECEIPT, UH, LETTING THEM KNOW THAT, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THEY'RE REMINDING THEM THAT THE INFORMATION THAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED, UH, MAY BECOME PUBLIC INFORMATION. 
          AND, AND JUST GENERAL CORRESPONDENCE. 
          WE HAVE SEVERAL SUPPORT STAFF. 
          WHERE WAS THE BROCHURE AND APPLICATION, UM, PLACED? I KNOW SOCIAL MEDIA ONLINE, UH, HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT THE WORD OUT ABOUT THIS POSTING. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAD SENT PERIODIC UPDATES AND THEY WERE ALL LISTED WHERE WE PLACED, UH, THE, UH, POSTINGS AS WELL AS, UH, IN THE SEMI-FINALIST COVER MEMO THAT WE SENT YOU ON NOVEMBER 7TH. 
          UM, AND I WILL GET THAT FOR YOU HERE IN JUST A SECOND. 
          EDWARD, ARE YOU THERE, EDWARD? YES, SIR. 
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CAN YOU, DO YOU HAVE THE LIST OF WHERE WE POSTED ALL OF THE, UH, ADVERTISEMENTS AND THE OUTREACH  REPORTS TO THE COMMITTEE INCLUDED A LIST OF ALL LOCATIONS, ALL DIRECT MAILINGS, UM, AND ALL OF THE PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATIONS THAT RECEIVED THE RECRUITMENT AND OUTREACH BROCHURE. 
          UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE MADE A NUMBER OF DIRECT OUTREACH TO A NUMBER OF THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ONE OF THE GOALS WAS TO IDENTIFY INDIVIDUALS, CANDIDATES THAT WERE NOT NECESSARILY, AND SO IN ADDITION, AS I WAS SAYING, DELAYED, I THINK IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE MADE A NUMBER, UM, OF DIRECT OUTREACH TO A NUMBER OF CITY MANAGERS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND OTHER INDIVIDUALS. 
          UM, AND PART OF THAT CHALLENGE, IF YOU WOULD, IS THAT, UH, IT'S KIND OF A TWO WAY STREET. 
          THERE ARE A NUMBER WHO, UH, DID NOT WANT TO PROCEED, WHO WERE HAPPY WITH THEIR CURRENT JOBS. 
          UM, AND BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC NATURE OF THE PROCESS, THEY OPTED NOT TO BE A PART OF IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OF THOSE DIRECT CANDIDATES THAT YOU GUYS IDENTIFIED THAT CURRENTLY WERE NOT SEEKING NEW OPPORTUNITIES, HOW MANY WERE Y'ALL SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING TO APPLY FOR THE POSITION THAT WE'RE NOT CURRENTLY LOOKING FOR? NEW OPPORTUNITIES? UM, A A NUMBER OF THE, THE TOP CANDIDATES, I DON'T KNOW, UH, WHETHER THEY DECIDED BECAUSE OF OUR OUTREACH, BUT, BUT WE CONTACTED, UH, UM, PROBABLY FIVE OR SIX, UH, MAYBE 700 OF CITY MANAGERS, CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICERS, CITY ADMINISTRATORS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY OF THE LARGEST, UH, COMMUNITIES IN EVERY STATE. 
          UH, WE REACHED OUT, WE, UH, HAD WE COLD CALLED INDIVIDUALS. 
          WE HEARD REFERRALS FROM SOME OF THEM OF OTHERS THAT WERE INTERESTED. 
          UM, SO WE HAD ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH A NUMBER OF VERY STRONG CANDIDATES. 
          SOME CHOSE TO, TO PUT IN, UH, THEY WANTED TO SEE THE OUTCOME OF THEIR ELECTIONS, UH, LAST THIS PAST NOVEMBER BEFORE THEY DECIDED, AND OF COURSE, OUR DUE DATE FOR SUBMITTING WAS IN MID-OCTOBER. 
          SO THAT MADE IT DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO, TO PUT IT ON THE LINE IF THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE RESULT OF THEIR ELECTIONS. 
          UM, AND SO THERE WERE ALL KINDS OF, UH, ISSUES. 
          THEY ALL, MANY OF THEM, UH, QUITE HONESTLY WERE, UM, UH, TUNED INTO THE, UH, ELECTIONS THAT YOU HAD IN NOVEMBER. 
          AND, UH, UH, NUMBER EXPRESSED CONCERNS TO US ABOUT THAT, UH, CHALLENGE. 
          SO WE HAD A WHOLE HOST OF ISSUES THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH ALL AROUND THE SAME THANK YOU TIMELINE. 
          UM, ASIDE FROM YOUR TEAM, YOU GUYS WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH, UH, UP TO 10 SUBJECT MATTER SPECIALIST. 
          CAN YOU LET ME KNOW WHO THOSE SUBJECT SPECIALISTS WERE? WE, WE DID NOT DO THAT YET. 
          UM, WE WOULD DO THAT WITH YOU ALL IN ORDER TO, UH, THOSE IN YOUR ORGANIZATION, WE WOULD HAVE TO GET PERMISSION BECAUSE WE DON'T WORK THROUGH THE STAFF HERE. 
          WE WORKED THROUGH YOU ALL. 
          AND SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GET PERMISSION TO, TO IDENTIFY SOME SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS ON, ON WHO, UH, YOU WOULD WANT TO RESPOND TO A QUESTIONNAIRE, AND OF COURSE YOU ALL AS THE COMMITTEE TO CREATE KIND OF A BASELINE. 
          UH, AND THEN WE WOULD ALSO SEND, UH, THAT, THAT, UM, ASSESSMENT TO, UM, THE, UH, SEMIFINALIST TO GET THEIR RESPONSES AND SEE HOW THEY, THEIR RESPONSES, COMPARE THEIR PROFILES, ADMINISTRATIVE STRENGTHS, BEHAVIORAL STRENGTHS, HOW THEY COMPARE, UH, TO THE BASELINE THAT'S CREATED BY TALKING TO YOU ALL TO CREATE THAT, THAT BASELINE, UM, STRENGTHS ASSESSMENT OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT YET. 
          SO I'M GOING THROUGH THIS TASK. 
          THAT WAS TASK NUMBER TWO. 
          TASK NUMBER THREE GOES, WE WILL NARROW THE LIST TO 10 TO 15 SEMI-FINALISTS FOR YOUR REVIEW AND IDENTIFICATION OF FOUR OR FIVE FINALISTS. 
          SO WHERE DID WE MISS THAT? 10 TO 15 SEMI-FINALISTS FOR COUNCIL COMMITTEE REVIEW. 
          WE REVIEWED THOSE AND DID NOT BELIEVE THEY HAD THE QUALIFICATIONS. 
          ONCE WE LOOKED 
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THROUGH A NUMBER OF CANDIDATES, UH, THESE ARE THE FOUR THAT WERE THE, THE EXTREMELY, UH, STRONG CANDIDATES THAT HAD THE BACKGROUND THAT MEET, MEET, MET YOUR QUALIFICATIONS AS STATED IN THE BROCHURE. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS COMMITTEE NOR COUNSEL, WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS TO NARROWING IT DOWN TO THOSE SEMIFINALISTS, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          WE, WE SENT YOU WHAT WE THOUGHT WERE THE, THE BEST CANDIDATES BECAUSE WE WERE WORKING TO MEET A DEADLINE INITIALLY OF HAVING A DECISION MADE BY JANUARY. 
          UH, MAYOR PRO TEM, UH, ATKINS, UH, UH, SAID, WELL, LET'S, LET'S GET THE INFORMATION TO THEM THAT YOU HAVE AND SEE IF, IF WE CAN MEET THAT THAT LONG AGO, ESTABLISHED TENTATIVE DEADLINE OF JANUARY, WE'RE CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUMP THAT FOR A LOT OF REASONS. 
          THE PART OF IT WAS THE ELECTION, PART OF IT WAS A HOST OF ISSUES RELATING TO THE HOLIDAYS, BUT, UH, SO WE KNOW THAT THAT'S A DRAFT TIMELINE AND IF WE NEED TO MEET, UH, AGAIN WITH YOU ALL OR NUMEROUS TIMES AND, AND, UH, FOR YOU TO HAVE A COMFORT WITH NARROWING DOWN CANDIDATES FOR ONSITE INTERVIEWS, WE UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE TWO MORE QUESTIONS FOR THIS ROUND. 
          UM, AND I'M JUMPING AHEAD IN THE PROCESS, THE PERFORMANCE EVALUATION PLAN, ONCE A CANDIDATE IS, UH, SELECTED AND PLACED, YOU GUYS WILL HELP PERFORM THE EVALUATION PLAN. 
          WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS CONTRACT. 
          YOU ARE YOU REFERRING TO WHAT NINA WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER? RIGHT. 
          AND, AND SO YOU, SO YOU GUYS THOUGH HAVE A, IF YOU GUYS PLAY, UH, IDENTIFY A FINALIST AND WE APPOINT THEM AS CITY MANAGER AND THEY RE THEY STAY WITH THE JOB FOR A YEAR OR TWO YEAR, WHATEVER THAT PERFORMANCE MEASURE IS, YOU GUYS ARE STILL GONNA BE PROUD OF THAT PROCESS IN EVALUATING AND SETTING THE METRICS. 
          WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT WITH NINA, WITH WITH NINA AND, UM, UH, HOWEVER THAT ROLLS OUT BECAUSE I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT AGREEMENT WITH, UH, UH, MANAGEMENT PARTNERS AND THE, THE RELATIONSHIP ON, ON THAT PART OF YOUR ASSESSMENT OF, OF YOUR SENIOR LEVEL EXECUTIVES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, LAST ONE IS, UH, STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT AND COMMUNITY INPUT, IS THAT WHERE WE WILL, UH, BRING OUR FINALISTS, UH, FOR THOSE, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY TO, UH, BE ABLE TO GIVE THEIR INPUT? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, SEAN. 
          EW. 
          SO I THINK, UM, MY REACTION TO ALL THIS WAS THAT WE HAD SKIPPED A STEP THAT IT SEEMED TO ME WHERE WERE THE EIGHT TO 10 SEMIFINALISTS THAT WE WOULD'VE BEEN BROUGHT DOWN TO THREE OR FOUR. 
          WERE YOU SURPRISED? IS IT TYPICAL THESE DAYS? WAS THIS NORMAL OR UNUSUAL TO YOU THAT WE ONLY ENDED UP WITH FOUR, UM, SEMIFINALISTS FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE? I, I THINK IT'S UNUSUAL, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND, NUMBER ONE, THE, UH, HIGH LEVEL OF SCRUTINY OF A, OF A LARGER, UH, COMMUNITY AND VERY, VERY COMPLEX ORGANIZATION. 
          THE ISSUES, UH, THAT, THAT WERE SURROUNDING, UH, THE CITY OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, I THINK, UM, MAY HAVE, UM, BEEN A BIT OF A, A, A CHALLENGE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WE, WE HAD A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE TALKED TO THAT WERE INTERESTED, BUT IN, YOU KNOW, IN FINAL CONVERSATIONS, THEY DECIDED NOT TO PUT IN THEIR APPLICATION. 
          AND, UM, SO, SO, SO WE HAVE, I'VE JUST SCANNED A FEW RESUMES AND LOOKED AT THE LIST, AND WE HAVE TEACHERS AND PRINCIPALS AND A, A MAYOR, TRANSIT AUTHORITY, TRANSIT, I MEAN, SO, BUT, UM, THEN THERE'S BOTH COUNTY AND THERE. 
          I THINK THERE ARE OTHER, SOME CITY, UH, MANAGEMENT TYPE OF, UM, APPLICANTS. 
          SO THERE WERE JUST REALLY NOBODY ELSE IN THAT GROUP THAT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN GOOD JUST FOR A COMPARE AND CONTRAST. 
          I MEAN, WE, IT REALLY IS JUST FOUR. 
          WELL, WE FELT LIKE THERE WAS A DESIRE TO EXPEDITE AND MOVE FORWARD, AND, UM, THESE CANDIDATES WE BELIEVE ARE STRONG CANDIDATES. 
          UM, A LONG DRAWN OUT PROCESS, UH, MANY TIMES DOES NOT LEND ITSELF TO KEEPING THOSE STRONG CANDIDATES IN PLACE. 
          AND SO, 
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UM, WE WANTED TO GET THESE CANDIDATES TO YOU FOR YOUR REVIEW TO SEE IF YOU AGREED WITH US THAT THEY WERE, UH, UH, STRONG CANDIDATES. 
          AND, UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UH, ASSESS THE ADDITIONAL CANDIDATES THAT ARE OUT THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE GLAD TO SHARE MORE DETAILED INFORMATION WITH YOU. 
          WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE RECORD TO NOTE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES. 
          THERE'S, AND THERE'S SMALL TOWNS AND THERE'S LARGE METROPOLITAN AREAS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN WE JUST HAD THE FOUR, THERE WAS THIS SENSE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DIDN'T REALLY GARNER MUCH INTEREST. 
          AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT IN ADDITION TO THE LIST, THERE WERE SOME MORE EXPERIENCED, UM, APPLICANTS, POTENTIAL APPLICANTS, A NUMBER OF THEM FOR WHO, FOR A VARIETY OF REASON, POTENTIALLY BECAUSE OF WHAT OUR, UH, RESIDENTS WERE VOTING ON IN THE ELECTION IN NOVEMBER WITH RESPECT TO THE CITY CHARTER. 
          WE'LL BE VERY SPECIFIC, UM, THAT, THAT MIGHT HAVE PUT SOME PEOPLE OFF POTENTIALLY. 
          WE DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE, BUT YOU, THEY, A LOT OF THEM ARE NOT GONNA SAY THAT DIRECTLY, BUT, SURE. 
          UM, BUT THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY SENSE. 
          THAT WAS YOUR SENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          CHAIRWOMAN MENISON. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'M GONNA SAY IT'S JUST THIS MORNING THAT WE'VE RECEIVED A COPY OF THE 50 RESUMES AND NAMES, AND, UM, ONLY IN THE FEW MINUTES OF TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES HAVE I HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, BUT THERE'S ABOUT TWO DOZEN THAT I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THIS WEEKEND AND REALLY STUDY THAT I FEEL LIKE WOULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE CANDIDATES. 
          I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED TO SEE ONLY FOUR BROUGHT FORWARD. 
          IT'S NOT WHAT WE EXPECTED WHEN YOU PROPOSED IT AND LOOKING AT 'EM, IT SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A LARGER POOL WHEN YOU'RE REPORTING TO US NOW, WHICH IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD THAT WE ONLY HAD 10% HISPANIC, UM, APPLICANTS. 
          I WOULD QUESTION THAT MAYBE THERE WASN'T FURTHER OUTREACH BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY LARGE HISPANIC POPULATION, AND I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN MORE CANDIDATES THAT ARE HISPANIC. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE TWO DOZEN THAT CAUGHT MY EYE ARE OR NOT. 
          UM, I DON'T WANNA HIRE ANYBODY BASED ON ANY DEMOGRAPHICS. 
          I WANT IT TO BE COMPLETELY BASED ON THEIR SKILLS AND ABILITY AND EXPERIENCE AND PHILOSOPHY ON HOW TO MANAGE THE CITY. 
          THE COMMENTS YOU'RE MAKING ABOUT THE PROPOSITIONS THAT THE RESIDENTS WERE LOOKING AT. 
          I HAVE TO TELL YOU, IF THAT SCARED OFF SOMEBODY, THEN THEY'RE NOT THE RIGHT CANDIDATE. 
          THE TRUTH IS DALLAS IS A FABULOUS PLACE FOR A CAREER, AND THE JOB OF CITY MANAGER IS AN EXTREMELY EXCITING OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S A PROBLEM SOLVER. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES HERE TO DO THAT. 
          UM, BUT NOT JUST THAT, THE PROPOSITIONS THAT THE RESIDENTS WERE VOTING ON THAT MAYBE WERE CONTROVERSIAL, HONESTLY, DEALT WITH A PHILOSOPHY OF PUBLIC SAFETY BEING A PRIMARY DRIVER, UM, AND PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN OUR CITY. 
          AND NUMBER TWO, ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY. 
          AND WHETHER THOSE PROPOSITIONS WERE APPROPRIATE FOR GOOD POLICY IS ONE ISSUE, BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT THE RESIDENTS SUPPORT PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE RESIDENTS WANT ACCOUNTABILITY SHOULD ACTUALLY BE VERY DESIRABLE FOR A CITY MANAGER. 
          AND SO ANYBODY WHO WOULD HAVE COME TO YOU TO SAY NEGATIVE THINGS, I THINK ACTUALLY THERE'S A VERY POSITIVE MESSAGE IN RESIDENTS BEING ENGAGED IN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT GOOD GOVERNANCE. 
          AND WHILE, AGAIN, I DIDN'T ENDORSE THOSE PROPOSITIONS, THE UNDERLYING MESSAGE OF THEM ACTUALLY WAS RIGHT. 
          THE POLICY WAS BAD IN MY OPINION. 
          AND SO I THINK THERE'S A WAY THAT YOU COULD HAVE TALKED TO PEOPLE WHO WERE EXPRESSING CONCERNS AND, AND WE DID. 
          WE, WE PUT THE CITY'S BEST FEET FORWARD ABOUT THIS BEING AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          I'M, YOU KNOW, IF I'M BEING ASKED THOUGH GENERICALLY, WHY DIDN'T WE HAVE MORE HIGHLY QUALIFIED CANDIDATES, UH, WITH THE EXPERIENCE YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND EXPECTING, UH, IT COULD BE A NUMBER OF REASONS. 
          THAT BEING ONE OF 'EM. 
          AND, UH, IF SOMEONE IS CURRENTLY IN A POSITION WHERE THEY HAVE A, A COUNCIL THAT IS, IS SUPPORTIVE AND, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE ENJOYING THEIR, THEIR JOB, YES, THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, BUT THERE'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, GREAT RISK AND UNCERTAINTY WITH MOVING OUT OF A, A POSITION THAT, UM, UH, WHERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE EMPLOYED 
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AND LIVING COMFORTABLY WITH THEIR FAMILY. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW, UH, WHAT WE CERTAINLY DID NOT FOCUS OR DWELL ON THOSE ISSUES. 
          AND, UH, UH, THEY DID ALL OF THEM CANDIDATES THAT WERE INTERESTED ASKED ABOUT THOSE ISSUES. 
          AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, WE, WE, UH, TALKED ABOUT THE, THE GREAT OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO TAKE ON THESE CHALLENGES AND ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES. 
          AND, UM, SO SOMETIMES IT'S, IT'S SPOKEN ABOUT HOW A CITY MANAGER IN A CITY AS LARGE AS DALLAS AND COMPLEX, AS YOU SAID, REALLY HAS A LIFESPAN OF FIVE YEARS IN THAT ROLE. 
          BUT ACTUALLY WE HAD A CITY MANAGER THAT CERTAINLY HAD, UM, CHALLENGES WHO LASTED SEVEN YEARS MM-HMM . 
          SO THE, THE IDEA THAT THERE'S SUCH UNCERTAINTY THAT YOU WOULD LOSE YOUR JOB, THIS IS NOT ACTUALLY TRUE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD OTHER CITY MANAGERS WITH A LONG TENURE, SO ALTHOUGH IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT ROUGH AND TUMBLE AT SO TIMES, IT, IT'S PRETTY STABLE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          PROBABLY MORE STABLE THAN IT OUGHT TO BE. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          IN MY OPINION. 
          SO ALL THAT TO SAY, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO, UM, LOOKING AT THIS THANK YOU CHAIR FOR PROVIDING THAT. 
          I DO THINK YOU MISSED A STEP. 
          I THINK GETTING US FROM 50 TO FOUR WAS TOO FAR OF A LEAP. 
          AND IF YOU WERE SEEING CHANGES BASED ON WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY PROPOSED TO WHAT WAS ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN REALITY, WE NEEDED TO HAVE HAD THAT DISCUSSION. 
          IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. 
          BUT, UM, I WAS A LITTLE BIT BLINDSIDED WHEN I HEARD THERE'S FOUR SEMIFINALISTS. 
          THAT WAS NOT A GOOD MOVE. 
          AND, UM, IT'S GOTTEN A LOT OF PRESS HERE AND I THINK THAT'S ALSO PROBLEMATIC. 
          SO I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING A VERY THOROUGH, UM, COMPREHENSIVE SEARCH. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE SAID WE WOULD DO TO OUR RESIDENTS, THAT WE WOULD DO THAT WORK. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT WORK. 
          JUMPING AHEAD TO FOUR IS A SHORTCUT. 
          I'M NOT WILLING TO TAKE THE SHORTCUT, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO LOOKING AT THIS THIS WEEKEND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WITH THAT, UM, LET ME UM, COUNTER TO THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURE HERE. 
          AND WHEN WE, UM, GOT THE FOUR CANDIDATE, THOSE, YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND THE COMMITTEE HERE HAD NOT MADE A RECOMMENDATION OUT THERE FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          THE STEP WAS THEY FOR TO COME BACK TO US AND WE SUPPOSED TO, WHAT WAS, DISCUSS THE DISCUSSION WE HAD HERE TODAY WAS A DISCUSSION BEFORE THE RELEASE OUT. 
          THOSE FOUR CANDIDATE THAT YOU RELEASED TO US IN THE VIDEO WAS YOUR FOUR CANDIDATE. 
          AND I THINK THE CONVERSATION IN AROUND THAT, THOSE ARE FOUNDERS, FOUR CANDIDATES, AND WE DID NOT GET THAT STEP. 
          AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE TRYING TO SAY, HERE'S A STEP THAT WAS MISSED. 
          AND, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HEARING TODAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING TODAY. 
          BECAUSE WE AS A BODY DID NOT HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, OKAY, WE DO FINALIZE THESE FOUR CANDIDATES. 
          IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? I, WE FELT LIKE WE HAD DONE A STRONG ASSESSMENT OF CANDIDATES IN GIVING YOU THE FOUR EXTREMELY STRONG CANDIDATES FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          OKAY. 
          I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE STEP THAT WE SEND HERE TODAY THAT WE DO UNDERSTAND THERE WAS A STEP MISSING. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING TODAY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE, UM, THE COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, WE MEETING TODAY, WE ARE ALSO GONNA MEET ON MONDAY. 
          AND WE DO HAVE ALL THE APPLICANTS HERE BESIDE US, AND ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE DO HAVE THOSE APPLICANTS HERE TODAY. 
          AND WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE COMMITTEE IS NOW THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME MORE AFTER AND TO GET OUR UNDERSTANDING TO GET THERE, BUT I ALSO HEAR SOME COMMITTEE COUNCIL MEMBER MIGHT SAID THAT WHEN WE DID RELEASE THOSE FOUR, IT BECAME PUBLIC INFORMATION ACCORDING TO THE OPEN RECORD ACT. 
          AND THOSE FOUR GOT OUT THERE AND THEY ALL IN THE PUBLIC. 
          AND RIGHT NOW, THESE 50 RIGHT HERE WILL BE RELEASED PROBABLY BEFORE WE END THIS MEETING TODAY, THAT THESE 50 IS GONNA BE OUT THERE ALSO. 
          AND, AND I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE TRANSFERRING WHAT WE DOING AND NOW THOSE GONNA GET OUT THERE AND THEN WE 
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GONNA COME BACK ON MONDAY, WE GONNA SAY, HEY, HERE WE ARE, HOW WE GONNA GO FORWARD AND YOU'LL WORK WITH US TO GET THIS DONE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING IN FRONT OF THE COMMITTEE. 
          NOW, UM, THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER HERE TODAY, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL COMING, Y'ALL STILL CAN COMMENT, BUT THAT'S A PROCESS AND A PROCEDURE THAT WE GONNA FOLLOW PROCESS AND PROCEDURE, Y'ALL CAN SPEAK, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SAY, HEY, WHO IS BAD, WHO IS GOOD, WHATEVER. 
          BUT IT'S A PROCESS. 
          AND THEN THAT'S WHY WE GONNA BE TRANSPARENT. 
          IT'S A PROCESS THAT YOU DID THAT YOU BROUGHT US FOR CANDIDATE, WHICH YOU THOUGHT, ACCORDING TO THE CRITERIA, ACCORDING TO WHAT WE GAVE YOU THAT YOU THOUGHT IT WAS FOR, BUT WE AS A COMMITTEE HAD NOT HAD OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, THIS IS OUR INPUT, WE ARE THE POLICY MAKER. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? I UNDERSTAND. 
          YES. 
          DANG. 
          OKAY, SO THEREFORE, COLLEAGUES, Y'ALL OPEN TO DISCUSS BECAUSE I WANNA BE TRANSPARENT WITH EVERYONE, PROCESS AND PROCEDURE. 
          AND THEN, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE SOME PEOPLE TAKE IT THE WRONG WAY. 
          BAKER INTELLIGENCE BROUGHT US FOUR, WHICH THEY THOUGHT WERE QUALIFIED TO GET THERE, AND THEIR OPINION AND THEIR, THE CRITERIA WE GAVE THEM. 
          BUT WE AS THE COMMITTEE HAVE NOT SAID WHAT WE THOUGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT REVIEWED THAT. 
          AND EVERYTHING WE DOING TODAY IS PUBLIC INFORMATION. 
          WITH THAT. 
          UM, I'M GONNA START WITH, UM, COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          SURE. 
          SO IN THE SPIRIT OF PROCESS AND PROCEDURE, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE TIMELINE. 
          SO WE HAD BEEN OPERATING UNDER A TIMELINE FROM AUGUST 13TH THAT HAD US MAKING AN OFFER ON OCTOBER 31ST. 
          AND THEN WE GET THIS ONE. 
          NOW WE'RE IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY. 
          SO I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE LAG. 
          WELL, IF YOU REMEMBER, UM, WE DID NOT BEGIN THE OUTREACH UNTIL MID-SEPTEMBER. 
          AND I, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS THE 16TH OR WHAT EXACT DATE IT WAS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT MID-SEPTEMBER, AND WE ALLOWED FOR APPROXIMATELY 30, UH, PLUS DAYS. 
          SO MID OCTOBER IS WHEN WE STARTED, UH, ASSESSING AND ASKING FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACTING APPLICANTS, UM, ENCOURAGING, CONTINUING TO ENCOURAGE APPLICANTS OR PEOPLE THAT HAD EXPRESSED INTEREST, UH, TRYING TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND GET THEM TO APPLY. 
          SURE. 
          AND, AND BY THE TIME WE, YOU HAVE TO TAKE CHARGE FROM THE COMMITTEE. 
          AND SO I UNDERSTAND BY THE TIMEAND, WE, BY THE TIME WE, UH, PUT TOGETHER A SUMMARY OF THOSE, QUALIFY THOSE CANDIDATES THAT WE FELT WERE, UH, HAD SOME GREAT QUALIFICATIONS MET OR IN, IN ALMOST ALL CASES, EXCEEDED YOUR REQUIREMENTS, UH, AS STATED IN THE BROCHURE, UH, WE FINALIZED AND SENT THAT TO YOU ALL ON NOVEMBER 7TH, AND WE WERE ASKED A WEEK LATER, UH, TO GO AHEAD AND SEND IT OUT TO THE ENTIRE, UH, MARIN CITY COUNCIL ON THE 14TH. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID. 
          AND WE HAVE NOT, OTHER THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, UH, TOUCHING BACK. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA BELABOR IT, BUT ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY IT WAS SENT ON OCTOBER 24TH. 
          SO WHAT HAPPENED, UH, TO WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN OCTOBER 24TH WHEN YOU SUBMITTED FOUR FINALISTS TO WHEN IT FINALLY CAME TO COUNCIL TWO WEEKS LATER? 'CAUSE I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET A CITY MANAGER HERE, . 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO, UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT A LAG AND I MEAN, WE'VE GOT THE SAME FOUR PEOPLE FROM THE 24TH TO THE SEVENTH. 
          SO WHAT HAPPENED, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DATE IS, THE 24TH, UM, UM, THE ONE, THE ONE I REMEMBER SENDING OUT TO THE COMMITTEE WAS ON THE, OKAY, ON THE SEVENTH. 
          SO IT WAS HERE WITH THE CITY. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS HERE IN THE BUILDING. 
          UH, BUT IT DIDN'T GET SENT OUT UNTIL NOVEMBER 7TH. 
          SO WE LOST A COUPLE OF WEEKS THERE. 
          SO IN LOOKING AT THE LIST OF 50 FINALISTS, UM, OR NOT 50 FINALISTS, APPLICANTS, I MEAN, I ONLY SEE ABOUT SEVEN THAT ARE CITY MANAGERS ANYWHERE ELSE. 
          UH, AND THEN SOME OF THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGERS OR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS ARE COMING FROM UNI MUNICIPALITIES THAT I DON'T KNOW, LOOK, TO HAVE THE EXPERIENCE OF SOME OF THE SITTING ACMS WE HAVE RIGHT HERE. 
          SO I CAN'T IMAGINE BRINGING SOMEONE IN. 
          THERE'S TWO, TWO THIRDS OF THEM. 
          IT'S PRETTY EASY TO TO JUST SAY THEY'RE NOT QUALIFIED. 
          WELL, AND THEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE FROM HR AND OTHER, UH, JOURNEYMAN PIPE LAYER. 
          I MEAN, I'M, YOU KNOW, IT WAS AN INTERESTING, UH, LIST 
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TO BEHOLD. 
          SO I'M JUST CONCERNED WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PROCESS AND PROCEDURE THAT WE'RE JUST HITTING SPEED BUMPS AND THAT MAY NOT RESIDE WITH YOU. 
          SO I WOULD JUST ASK CHAIR THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THINGS COME IN THAT IT'S A HOT POTATO AND THAT WE MOVE ON THESE THINGS, LET, WE'D REALLY LOVE TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS SOLVED. 
          LEMME CLARIFY. 
          SOLVED, LEMME SOLVED, LEMME CLARIFY. 
          WHEN THINGS COME IN, THIS IS A PROCESS. 
          WHEN EVERYTHING COME IN, IT'S OPEN RECORD WHEN IT COME IN, AND WE WILL POST AN OPEN RECORD. 
          AND WHEN IT'S COME IN, IT CANNOT COME IN THE EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY. 
          IT GOTTA COME IN DIRECT TO ME. 
          AND SO SOME OF THINGS MIGHT NOT COME DIRECT TO ME, SO I'M GOING TO CHECK AND DOUBLE CHECK THAT EVERYTHING CAME TO ME. 
          IT'S SUPPOSED TO COME TO ME BECAUSE NO EMPLOYEE'S SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING STUFF. 
          AND WHEN I DID FIND OUT SOME EMPLOYEE GETTING CANNOT PASS TO IT, IT, THE PROCESS WAS WRONG. 
          SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO TO MAKE SURE THE PROCESS IS RIGHT, AND SO WE GET A CITY MANAGER, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET A CITY MANAGER BECAUSE WE NEED A POLICE CHIEF. 
          AND SO ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS SPEED IT UP. 
          YEAH. 
          WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, LET'S SPEED IT UP AND LET'S GET THIS DONE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THIS, WHAT, THIS, EXCUSE ME. 
          THIS IS WHAT THIS COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING. 
          I INVITE ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO HERE, BUT THIS COMMITTEE RIGHT THERE, THESE FIVE COMMITTEE MEMBERS RIGHT HERE, WE WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE FULL COUNCIL, LET US DO OUR WORK. 
          IF YOU GOT SOME CRITIQUE ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING, FINE, I DON'T MIND DOING THAT, BUT GIVE US A, THE HONEST OPINION THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TODAY TO MOVE THE FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          MY HONEST OPINION IS THAT THIS CAME TO YOU ON OCTOBER 24TH AND THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THINGS MOVE FASTER THAN A TWO WEEK LAG BEFORE IT COMES TO COUNSEL. 
          SO TO THE POINT THAT WAS MADE ABOUT WANTING TO REVIEW OTHER CANDIDATES, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER CANDIDATES BESIDES THE ONES THAT YOU'VE SUBMITTED TO US, BUT THAT W WE CAN'T LET THESE, UM, THINGS LAG. 
          WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOTTA CLOSE IT. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          AND I'M HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. 
          PLEASE HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. 
          QUICK COUNCILMAN, I HAVE QUICK QUESTION. 
          SO YOU SAID CHAIR THAT, UM, ALL THESE NAMES ARE GONNA BE RELEASED. 
          SO MY QUESTION TO BAKER TILLY IS, UM, IN TERMS OF THE PRIVACY OF THE APPLICANTS, NO. 
          HOW, SO I GUESS ONCE YOU'VE APPLIED, THEN IT GOES TO THE WHOLE WORLD, INCLUDING YOUR EMPLOYER THAT YOU'VE APPLIED FOR THIS POSITION. 
          HOW DOES IT NORMALLY WORK? WELL, WE'VE PRESENTED IT TO THE CITY. 
          AND SO MY ASSUMPTION IS THERE, THERE HAVE LIKELY BEEN SOME OPEN RECORDS REQUESTS THAT THEY WILL BE DISTRIBUTED AS WELL. 
          AND OF COURSE, THE REST OF THE COUNCIL THAT IS NOT HERE AND THE MAYOR WILL SURE RECEIVE THESE AS WELL. 
          THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          DEPUTY UA. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I WOULD, UM, MAN, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I I, I JUST, UH, I I'M AT A LOSS OF WORDS, UH, OF WHERE WE ARE. 
          I DO AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. 
          I THINK THAT THERE WAS A MISSTEP, I WAS EXPECTING TO SEE 10 TO 15, UM, AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO VET AND DISCUSS. 
          UM, IT AL IT ALSO SEEMS LIKE THE TIMELINE ITSELF HAS BEEN DRAGGED OUT. 
          I THINK THAT WE ALL KNOW FROM THE NEWS, UH, THAT OUR, UM, COUNTERPARTS OVER, UH, TO THE WEST, UM, WAS ABLE TO GET THIS DONE IN A MUCH SWIFTER TIMELINE. 
          UM, I I I, I GUESS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SCOPE OF WHAT IT WAS THAT WE, UH, UH, ASKED FOR BAKKER, TILLY TO, TO START WITH, WHICH IS THE RECRUITMENT PIECE, I, I HEAR, AND I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT COLLEAGUES HAVE OPINIONS OF, OF THE PROPOSITIONS, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FEEDBACK TO HEAR. 
          'CAUSE REGARDLESS OF OUR OPINIONS FOR OR AGAINST, THERE'S REALITY THAT THERE'S IMPLICATIONS TO THEM, UH, BEING OUT THERE. 
          AND SO I APPRECIATE YOU DAYLIGHTING THAT. 
          UM, BUT I MEAN, THIS, THIS LIST OF 50 IS EMBARRASSING. 
          AND, UH, I, I'M, I'M CURIOUS, WHERE, WHERE DID THE RECRUITMENT PIECE OF YOU ALL'S TASK, UM, HOW DID THAT LEAD YOU TO THIS LIST? AND WHEN, I GUESS IS THERE PRECEDENT FOR YOU TO COME BACK TO WHO HAS CHARGED YOU WITH THIS TASK TO SAY, THIS IS, THIS IS NOT THE LIST WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GIVE Y'ALL. 
          WE NEED MORE TIME TO RECRUIT. 
          MAYBE EVEN GIVING THE FEEDBACK WE'VE HEARD FROM YOU TO GIVE US TODAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IN REACHING OUT, WE'VE HEARD THAT THERE'S, UH, CONCERN AND THAT THERE IS, UM, UH, IMPLICATIONS TO ELECTION RESULTS, NOT JUST HERE LOCALLY, BUT OUTSIDE, LIKE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM YOU. 
          NOW, WHY WOULD THAT NOT HAVE BEEN ADVICE TO US THROUGH THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS? BECAUSE I FEEL WITH WHAT WE'VE NOW BEEN GIVEN, I I, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW ANY OF OUR COLLEAGUES WOULD BE ABLE TO FIND A COUPLE DOZEN, 
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UH, THAT LOOK QUALIFIED. 
          'CAUSE THIS LIST IS EMBARRASSING. 
          SO CAN YOU GIVE ME WHAT, WHAT WENT WRONG DURING THE RECRUITMENT PIECE AND WHY WAS THERE NOT A DIALOGUE THROUGH THAT PART OF THE PROCESS TO ALLOW FOR US TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING BETTER CANDIDATES? WE, WE HAVEN'T MET WITH YOU ALL. 
          WE HAVE, UH, PROVIDED THE, THE WEEKLY PROGRESS REPORTS OR THE, THE PERIODIC PROGRESS REPORTS ON THE CANDIDATES THAT WERE COMING IN. 
          UM, I DO NOT BELIEVE, UH, IT IS EMBARRASSING. 
          WE HAVE FOUR VERY STRONG CANDIDATES. 
          MANY TIMES WITH, WITH MANY COMMUNITIES. 
          YOU'RE LUCKY TO HAVE ONE OR TWO OF HIGH QUALITY CANDIDATES. 
          THAT, TO BE FAIR, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FOUR WHEN I SAY WELL, I, WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FOUR BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA RUN THOSE OFF PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FULL LIST YOU GAVE US, AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING ABOUT THE RECRUITMENT TO EVEN NARROW DOWN TO FOUR. 
          I I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S EMBARRASSING AT ALL. 
          IT, EVERY RECRUITMENT ORIGINALLY THROW OUT ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THEM, AND YOU HAVE THOSE THAT, THAT HAVE THE, AND MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND THOSE THAT DO NOT. 
          AND, UM, TO HAVE THE, THE EXPERIENCE AT THIS LEVEL OF, OF COMPLEXITY IS THERE'S VERY FEW PEOPLE, UH, IN LARGER COMMUNITIES, UH, AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE THAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE OR, OR, YOU KNOW, OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE AT THE TIME IN THEIR CAREER LOOKING FOR THAT MOVE. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I, I, I JUST, I FEEL THE PROCESS HAS DEFINITELY BEEN FLAWED. 
          UM, UH, I WISH WE WOULD'VE GOTTEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO VET, UM, UH, MORE CANDIDATES. 
          I ALSO WISH THAT THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A POOL OF, UH, BETTER CANDIDATES FOR US TO HAVE VETTED TO GET DOWN TO WHERE YOU'VE GOTTEN. 
          UM, I THINK THAT JUST GIVING US THE, THE FOUR CANDIDATES AS YOU'VE GIVEN IS, UM, UH, PUTS US IN A BOX REALLY. 
          AND, UM, I APPRECIATE THE COMMITTEE, UH, DOING Y'ALL'S DUE DILIGENCE AND Y'ALL'S WORK. 
          UM, BUT I, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU HAVE MUCH TO WORK WITH BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE FOUR THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN. 
          SO, UM, I, I'LL, UH, UH, I'LL, I'LL BE DONE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. COUNCILMAN BLACKMAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO ARE YOU ARE DAVIS? I AM. 
          SO, I'M PAULA BLACKMAN. 
          SO THREE TIMES I'VE ASKED YOU FOR THIS STACK. 
          YEAH. 
          I HAVE AN EMAIL HERE THAT YOU SENT TO OUR DE TO OUR MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          WHAT WERE YOUR DIRECTIONS NOT TO RELEASE THIS INFORMATION? I WAS, I WAS ASKED NOT TO RESPOND BY THE, THE PERSON THAT WE'RE WORKING DIRECTLY WITH, UH, UM, NOT TO SEND OUT ANY MATERIALS, UH, UM, BUT TO DO SO, UH, ONCE WE MEET WITH THE COMMITTEE. 
          SO IS THIS PUBLIC INFORMATION, THIS PUBLIC INFORMATION LAWYERS? I MEAN, I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE OPENED IT, ISN'T IT? WELL, WELL THEN WHY WAS IT WHEN I ASKED YOU ON NOVEMBER 21ST, NOVEMBER 26TH, AND THIS MORNING OF DECEMBER 4TH, AND WHY DIDN'T YOU RESPOND TO ANY QUESTION? WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY AND COPY ME? BECAUSE I DO THINK TWO CITY STAFFERS WERE ON THIS BESIDES OUR CHAIR. 
          WHAT I'M SAYING HERE IS THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN OPEN AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS, AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS BECAUSE EVEN I COULDN'T GET THIS STACK THAT FINALLY SHOWED UP THIS MORNING, PROBABLY FOR SOME REASON OR ANOTHER PROBABLY. 
          'CAUSE THEY KNOW WE HAVE THIS EMAIL. 
          SO I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS WHY HAS IT TAKEN ME FOUR TI THREE TIMES TO REQUEST IT? WHY DID WE GIVE ONLY FOUR SEMI-FINALISTS? AND WHAT DID YOU DO BETWEEN NOVEMBER 7TH TO NOVEMBER 14TH, IN WHICH WE FINALLY GOT THE FOUR SEMI-FINALISTS? WE, WE'VE BEEN TAKEN OUR DIRECTION FROM THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE, UH, EDWARD AND I, AND, UH, SO DID, WAS YOUR DIRECTION TO SAY WHAT YOU, FOR HIS DIRECTION WAS TO PRESENT THOSE CANDIDATES AT THE COMMITTEE MEETING WHEN THE WHOLE COMMITTEE IS IN ATTENDANCE? SO YOUR DIRECTION WAS TO SAY, DID HE, WAS THERE AN, WAS THERE A DIRECTION TO ONLY CHOOSE FOUR? BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, NO, I'VE BEEN JUST LOOKING AT THIS. 
          NO, FINALLY GOT IT THIS MORNING. 
          THERE'S ABOUT 10 THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SEMI-FINALISTS. 
          SO HOW DID YOU GET TO FOUR? YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT THESE ARE THE FOUR. 
          THEY WERE THE, THE FOUR, UH, MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATES. 
          UM, WHOSE, WHOSE OPINION IS THAT? UM, EDWARD WILLIAMS AND MYSELF. 
          SO YOU TWO MM-HMM . 
          BROUGHT US FOUR AND SAID, THESE ARE THE FOUR WE THINK 
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DID, WAS THIS LIST GIVEN OUT AS WELL? WHO, WHO ELSE HAD IT? NO ONE ELSE HAD IT. 
          SO WHO HAD IT BEFORE THIS MORNING? NO ONE. 
          SO YOU DIDN'T GIVE THIS TO ANYBODY EITHER. 
          YOU DIDN'T GIVE US THE 50 NAMES, BUT THEN YOU WOULDN'T GIVE IT TO ME WHEN I REQUESTED IT? THREE TIMES. 
          WE HAVE BEEN TAKEN THE DIRECTION OF THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE. 
          AND WHAT WAS THAT DIRECTION? LET ME ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 
          I JUST GOT A LIST THIS MORNING, BUT WHAT WAS THE DIRECTION? WAS THE QUESTION NUMBER ONE ON THE CHAIR? MINUTE? I, I HAVE THE FLOOR. 
          NO, YOU DON'T. 
          YOU'RE NOT ON THE COMMITTEE. 
          YES, I DO. 
          PLEASE, HOLD ON. 
          I HAVE THE FLOOR. 
          HOLD ON. 
          I'M NOT, WHAT WAS THE DIRECTION OF THE CHAIR? I'M NOT TO PRESENT THE MATERIALS TODAY TO THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO ON NOVEMBER 7TH WHEN YOU SENT THE FOUR SEMI-FINALISTS, THERE WAS NO LIST AND NOBODY SAW THE 50. 
          NO. 
          WELL, THAT SOUNDS PRETTY AS A, I GET, I DON'T GET IT, BUT, OKAY. 
          SO THEN WE WAITED TILL TODAY, DECEMBER 12TH TO SEE THE WHOLE STACK. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? SO WE, YES. 
          AND IS THAT HOW A NORMAL SEARCH GOES? EVERY SEARCH IS DIFFERENT, BUT DOES THAT SEEM NORMAL? NO, THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, WITH THAT, UH, WE, UH, OH, CHAIRMAN GRACIE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ALRIGHT, I JUST, I WANT TO GET BACK TO THIS SEMI-FINALIST LIST. 
          UM, IF, IF, IF YOU GUYS WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND NARROWED IT DOWN TO THE TOP FOUR ON THIS LIST, ARE YOU ABLE TO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS IF YOU CAN SAY IT PUBLICLY OR NOT, BUT ARE YOU ABLE TO TELL US WHO THE REMAINING TOP 11 WERE? IF WE WERE LOOKING FOR 10 TO 15 SEMI-FINALISTS, THEN WHO WERE THE, IF YOU WERE TO FINISH RANKING THEM, WHO WERE THE OTHER 11 THAT WOULD'VE BEEN IN THIS, ON THIS LIST? WELL, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE THERE WERE 11 THAT WOULD MEET THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS OF, OF WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR. 
          BUT WE COULD PUT TOGETHER, UM, A A LIST OF, A LARGER LIST OF CANDIDATES THAT, UM, UM, COULD BE CONSIDERED BY THIS COMMITTEE. 
          YES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND I DON'T WANT TO, AGAIN, THEY'VE ALREADY CALLED PEOPLE OUT, BUT I'VE WENT THROUGH AND KIND OF LOOKED THROUGH AND IDENTIFIED AT LEAST EIGHT THAT JUST OFF OF THIS LIST ALONE, UH, SEEN LIKE SOME INTERESTING FOLKS THAT WOULD'VE BEEN INTERVIEWED NOW, DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE INTERVIEW PROCESS OR ANY OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS, BUT AS ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES MENTIONED, CARL SIMPSON, UH, JUST, JUST NOT SURE HOW THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE TOP FIVE, TOP 10, TOP 15. 
          I'M JUST, I'M, THAT PART THERE IS STILL A GAP THAT I THINK WE'VE ALL ASKED IN OUR, OUR OWN WAY AND, AND JUST ALL, I THINK STILL LEFT WANTING AN ANSWER FOR THAT. 
          AND I GUESS THE, THE, THE SHORT ANSWER IS YOU COULD GO BACK AND COME UP WITH THAT LIST, BUT I GUESS I THINK I'M ALSO UNDERSTANDING YOU TO SAY THAT EVEN IF YOU WERE TO DO THAT, YOU THINK THAT THIS COMMITTEE MAY END UP WITH THE SAME TOP FOUR AT THE END OF THE DAY. 
          WELL, WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, YES. 
          AND IF THERE ARE NAMES THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR, WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT. 
          I, I THINK I'M JUST GONNA GO BACK TO JUST FULFILLING, UH, WHAT, UH, CHAIR MORENO POINTED OUT IS JUST THE STEPS IN THE, WHAT WAS STA LAID OUT IN THE CONTRACT OR IN THE SPECIFICATIONS. 
          SO THANK YOU CHAIRMAN MIDDLETON. 
          SO THE LAST ITEM I'M GONNA SAY ON THIS IS THAT THE, THE SECTION THAT REALLY DISAPPOINTED ME WAS I SPOKE VERY, UM, REPETITIVELY ABOUT HAVING A POSSIBILITY OF A NON-TRADITIONAL CANDIDATE. 
          AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY EFFORT FOR YOU TO GO TO TOP CORPORATIONS RECENTLY RETIRED CORPORATE EXECUTIVES THAT HAD GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE TO COME HERE. 
          I MEAN, I, I SEE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, CONFERENCE FOR CITY MANAGERS, I SEE PUTTING IT OUT AS A BROCHURE ACROSS THE WEB, BUT I DIDN'T REALLY SEE THAT KIND OF EFFORT AND I DON'T SEE IT REFLECTED IN, UM, WHO YOU PRESENTED AS TOP CANDIDATES. 
          AND EVEN THE STATEMENT NOW, THERE'S CLEARLY SOME CANDIDATES THAT APPLY THAT ARE NOT SERIOUS, RIGHT? UM, SO IF YOU'RE A, I DON'T KNOW, OFFICE SPECIALIST OR AN ENGLISH TEACHER, WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S AN ENGLISH TEACHER, YOU KNOW, WONDERFUL WORK, GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          YOU'RE NOT PREPARED TO BE DALLAS CITY MANAGER. 
          UM, BUT I'M A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED THAT YOU DIDN'T HEAR ANY OF THAT, THAT GUIDANCE, THAT THERE'S A TIME AND PLACE THAT YOU ACTUALLY NEED AN OUTSIDE LOOK AT THINGS. 
          AND THIS MIGHT BE THE RIGHT TIME 
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IN DALLAS, AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING THAT A FRESH VIEW OF HOW PROCESSES WORK, HOW WE ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH THE GOALS FOR OUR RESIDENTS. 
          SOMETIMES WE NEED TO PULL THAT BUREAUCRACY OUT. 
          AND I THINK YOU'RE HEARING THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST IN DALLAS, BUT MAYBE EVEN AS A WIDER CONVERSATION. 
          AND SO, UM, I'M, I'M INTERESTED, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE OF THE 50 THAT APPLY THAT HAVE THAT KIND OF BACKGROUND. 
          I'M GONNA BE INTERESTED THIS WEEKEND LOOKING AT THEM, BUT I, I WOULD REALLY QUESTION IF YOU DID THE WORK NECESSARY TO FULFILL THAT REQUEST? WE DID, WE DID TALK TO SEVERAL NON-TRADITIONAL CANDIDATES. 
          AND IN, IN THE END, THERE WAS NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA PREDISPOSE YOU BECAUSE I WANT YOU, IF YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT THESE CANDIDATES TO, TO, TO UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BUT IF, IF THERE WASN'T AN UNDERSTANDING OF, OF THE BASE ISSUES RELATED TO LAW OVERSEEING LAW ENFORCEMENT AND, AND THE BASE ISSUES, THERE WASN'T A FAMILIARITY WITH HOW SOME OF THESE PROCESSES WITH, UH, ALL THE DIFFERENT, UH, UH, COMMISSIONS AND, AND THE, THE MANY MOVING PARTS THAT YOU HAVE, UH, IF THERE'S NOT THAT FAMILIARITY, THIS IS NOT GONNA BE AN EXAMPLE WHERE THEY CAN JUMP INTO A JOB, UH, UH, RUNNING AND, AND BE ABLE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR YOU ALL. 
          AND, UH, IT, IT, THE LEARNING CURVE WOULD BE EXTREME. 
          AND SO, UM, BUT WE DID TALK TO SOME NON-TRADITIONAL CANDIDATES, UH, UM, BECAUSE THEY CONTACTED YOU OR YOU CONTACTED THEM? BOTH? BOTH. 
          WELL, I HOPE THAT YOU DID. 
          I HOPE THAT YOU TRULY REACHED OUT TO LARGE CORPORATIONS THAT DO HAVE A GOVERNMENT INTERFACE WHO ARE USED TO DEALING WITH BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING, HAVING THE MINDSET THAT REALLY, WHY DO YOU NEED ALL OF THOSE? PROBABLY COULD BE WELCOME HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK CHAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SOME CHAIR. 
          CAN I GO AHEAD, JASON. 
          UH, ONCE WE NARROW THIS DOWN TO OUR FINALIST, YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US WITH, UM, THE INTERVIEW PROCESS, UH,  ON, SO SOME SUGGESTED QUESTIONS AND, AND HOW TO INTERVIEW THESE CANDIDATES. 
          CAN YOU TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? YEAH, WE, WE WOULD HELP YOU DEVELOP, UH, SOME TARGETED INTERVIEW QUESTIONS RELATING TO THE CANDIDATES AND THEIR EXPERIENCE AND WHAT WE KNOW ARE, UH, UH, HIGH PRIORITIES FOR YOU ALL AS AN ORGANIZATION OR, OR, UH, UH, AS A, A CITY COUNCIL AND, UH, SOME OF THE STRATEGIES THAT, THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IMPLEMENTING AND ADDRESSING OVER, UH, THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS. 
          UH, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE A NUMBER OF, UH, SPECIFIC AND TARGETED QUESTIONS RELATING TO THAT. 
          AND WE'LL ALSO HAVE, UH, UH, AN, UM, A BEHAVIORAL SKILLS ASSESSMENT THAT WOULD HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE SOME OF THEIR STRENGTHS ARE AND, UH, AND, AND HOW, UH, THEY ALIGN WITH YOU, WITH YOU ALL AS A CREATING A BASELINE, UH, UH, REPORT TO, UH, FOR COMPARISON. 
          AND, UM, SO, UM, THEN WE'LL HAVE SOME ASSESSMENT FORMS AND, AND ABILITY TO, UH, UH, GO THROUGH AND, AND, UM, DETERMINE WHICH CANDIDATE MIGHT BE THE BEST FIT MOVING FORWARD. 
          AND THEN, UH, TWO MORE, UH, POINTS. 
          HOW MANY COMMUNITY MEETINGS ARE WE BUDGETED FOR? WE'RE BUDGETED FOR THREE. 
          AND, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE STAFF, UH, STUCK WITH WHEN WE FINALIZED THE, THE AGREEMENT AND BROUGHT IT FORWARD TO YOU. 
          BUT THERE, THERE IS, UH, KIND OF A COST PER ADDITIONAL, UH, UH, NOT A, NOT A, A HIGH COST, BUT A COST PER ADDITIONAL STAKEHOLDER MEETING. 
          IF, UH, YOU ALL DECIDE, LET'S SAY FIVE, TO HAVE FIVE OR SEVEN COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY OVER A PERIOD OF A COUPLE DAYS BEFORE YOUR INTERVIEWS, AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE A FINALIST SELECTED, TALK TO ME ABOUT THE NEGOTIATIONS AND THE CONTRACT. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS PLAY A ROLE IN, OR IS IT JUST HR? UM, YOU WOULD WANT YOUR CITY ATTORNEY INVOLVED, UM, FOR ADVICE ON WHAT PRECEDENT HAS TAKEN PLACE IN WITH, WITH PRIOR NEGOTIATIONS, UH, AND TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMPLYING WITH ALL THE EXISTING, UH, LAWS AND POLICIES. 
          UM, AND 
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WE HAVE, UH, EXPERIENCE ASSISTING OTHER, UH, COMMUNITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY AND DEVELOPING THOSE AND WHAT'S, WHAT'S TYPICAL, RIGHT? AND, AND, YOU KNOW, BEST PRACTICES, UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOME CITIES VEER OFF INTO SOME NUANCES, SO THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AROUND THE COUNTRY. 
          UH, BUT WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE ADVICE TO YOU ALL IN IN THOSE NEGOTIATIONS IF, IF YOU WANT IT. 
          I, I WOULD SAY YOU WOULD WANT HR, UH, ADVICE FROM YOUR DIRECTOR, UH, NINA, WHO'S EXPERIENCED IN THAT, AND, AND AS WELL AS, UH, SOME CITY ATTORNEY RELATED, UH, ADVICE. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN STEWART. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO JUST A COUPLE LAST FOLLOW UPS. 
          FIRST, I DO WANNA REMIND MY COLLEAGUES THAT ONE OF THE REASONS OUR PROCESS IS SO LONG IS THAT WE CHOSE TO DO A NATIONAL SEARCH. 
          THAT WAS A VERY, I MEAN, DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA APPROACH THIS? AND WE MADE THAT DECISION TO HIRE A SEARCH FIRM AND TO DO A NATIONAL SEARCH. 
          AND SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT IS GOING TO BE LONGER, IT IS GOING TO BE MORE COMPLEX THAN IF WE WERE JUST TO, YOU KNOW, PICK UP ON OUR OWN AND LOOK AT SOME LOCAL, UM, APPLICANTS AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO IT'S JUST A, WE, WE CHOSE A DIFFERENT PATH IN THE CITY TO THE WEST OF US. 
          I'LL JUST SAY THAT IN OUR, AND HOW WE WERE GOING TO RECRUIT AND FIND OUR CITY MANAGER. 
          AND THEN MY QUESTION FOR YOU, UM, ART IS WE DID SOME, THE COMMITTEE EVALUATED THE FOUR CANDIDATES. 
          HOW ARE YOU USING THAT INFORMATION? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU COMPILED WHAT OUR FEEDBACK ON THE FOUR AND, UM, HAVE NOT PUT ANYTHING TOGETHER YET? WE WERE WAITING TO HEAR ANY INPUT TODAY AND FEEDBACK TODAY TO, TO, TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT TOGETHER. 
          SO HOW, HOW WILL YOU USE THAT THEN? IS IT, ARE, ARE WE NARROWING FURTHER FROM FOUR TO TWO? IS THAT WHERE WE'RE HEADED OR SOMETHING? IT'S UP TO THE COMMITTEE. 
          YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH FOUR, THREE OR TWO. 
          UH, IT'S WHAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH OR IF THERE ARE OTHER CANDIDATES THAT, THAT YOU WANNA BRING IN. 
          UM, SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO, UM, IT, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S YOUR ALL'S DECISION TO MAKE. 
          IT'S NOT OURS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO CHAIR ATKINS, WE'RE GOING, WE'RE GOING TO, ON MONDAY, WE'RE GONNA BEGIN TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION AROUND THAT IS CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH OUR EVALUATIONS AND WHAT NEXT STEPS ARE, AND IF THERE ARE ANY FURTHER CANDIDATES THAT IS CORRECT, WE'LL, WE'LL COME AWAY FROM THERE WITH A PLAN. 
          PLAN. 
          WITH A PLAN. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          OKAY, THEN, UM, ANYTHING ELSE? SO WE HAVE ONE MORE AGENDA ITEM, SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE THAT AND, AND THANK YOU ART. 
          AND, UM, AGAIN, ELWOOD, ARE YOU GONNA BE ABLE TO GET HERE IN PERSON? BECAUSE I KNOW IT WAS KINDA LIKE, UH, BACK INTO THE FLINTSTONE DAYS, UH, COMMUNICATION, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, ART, OKAY, WE MAKE SURE THAT ELWOOD HERE ON, ON MONDAY, SO WE WOULD NOT HAVE THIS, UH, DIALOGUE, UM, COMMITTEE. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA SAY TO YOU, THANK YOU FOR COMING TO TODAY. 
          VERY IMPORTANT. 
          BUT, UM, OTHER COLLEAGUES, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT WE, AS A COMMITTEE, WE DID INVITE EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER TO THIS MEETING, OPEN DIALOGUE, OPEN DIALOGUE TO ANY COUNCIL MEMBER COME. 
          WE GAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF, WHATEVER. 
          BUT THERE IS A PROCESS, AND I WANT TO PUT THIS ON THE RECORD, SO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOW THE PROCESS IN THIS PROCESS OF CITY MANAGER, THERE CANNOT BE EVERYONE GET THE INFORMATION. 
          THERE ARE ONE POINT OF ATTACK, AND THAT'S THE CHAIRMAN TALKING TO THE SEARCH COMMITTEE. 
          ONCE THAT INFORMATION GETS TO ME, THEN IT BECOMES PUBLIC RECORD. 
          THESE 55 COUNT APPLICANT, WE JUST GOT THAT TODAY. 
          NOW IT IS PUBLIC RECORD. 
          NOW I WANNA PUT ON A RECORD THE FOUR APPLICANT THAT BAKLEY TILLMAN BROUGHT FORWARD, SEMI-FINALIST. 
          THE SEMI-FINALIST BROUGHT FORWARD TO US ON WHAT DAY? UM, MY RECOLLECTION, I SENT THE EMAIL ON, ON, UH, UH, NOVEMBER 7TH. 
          NOVEMBER THE SEVENTH. 
          EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER GOT THAT INFORMATION BEYOND THE COMMITTEE. 
          THE COUNCIL GOT IT ON NOVEMBER 14TH. 
          OKAY, I DON'T WANT TO PUT THAT THERE. 
          THAT'S WHEN EVERYONE GOT IT AT THE SAME TIME. 
          AND WHEN THEY GOT THE SAME TIME, SOMEONE PUT IT INTO THE PUBLIC OR THEY WANNA PUT AN ACTOR BECAUSE WE ARE, 
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THE COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATION, THE FOUR APPLICANT YOU GAVE TO US. 
          SO NOW THESE 50 APPLICANT, WE JUST GOT THAT TODAY AND, AND EVERYBODY ON THIS COMMITTEE WHO HERE TODAY DID HAVE THIS RIGHT HERE, THE 50 APPLE, THEY GOT IT. 
          AND SO I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M TRANSFERRING ABOUT IT AND MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING BEHIND THE SCENE, NOTHING HIDDEN AGENDA. 
          BUT ONCE I GET IT, IT BECOME PUBLIC INFORMATION. 
          I JUST WANNA PUT IT ON THE RECORD. 
          WITH THAT, NINA, LET'S GO TO THE DISCUSSION SEARCH FOR THE CITY INSPECTOR GENERAL. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          MORNING. 
          I AM HERE TO, UH, ANSWER QUESTIONS AND TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT WE TYPICALLY USE AND THE VENDORS THAT WE TYPICALLY USE FOR EXECUTIVE RECRUITMENT AND ALSO SOME OPTIONS. 
          UM, CURRENTLY WE HAVE SEVERAL VENDORS UNDER CONTRACT. 
          UH, WE HAVE POLY HIRE, KORN FERRY, LINCOLN GOV, HR ALREADY AND AVAILABLE TO CONDUCT THE FIRM. 
          THE SEARCH, UH, THEY ARE UNDER CONTRACT AND THEY ARE, UM, AGAIN, READY AND AVAILABLE TO START RIGHT AWAY. 
          UM, IF THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED IN THAT FASHION, THEN WE CAN, UH, START THE MEETINGS SO THAT THEY CAN START TALKING ABOUT THE JOB DESCRIPTION, MAKING SURE THAT IT MEETS YOUR REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN, UH, PROVIDE A CALENDAR FOR THE SEARCH AND START. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO THE OPTION OF FINDING ANOTHER RECRUITMENT FIRM. 
          JUST AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION TO GO OUT THERE TO THE MARKET AND FIND OUT WHO ELSE WILL, WOULD, YOU KNOW, WANT TO, UH, ENGAGE IN THAT, UM, TYPE OF WORK WITH US. 
          UM, SO WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, UH, REGARDING THE FIRMS THAT WE HAVE UNDER CONTRACT AND THE SEARCH PROCESS. 
          CHAIRMAN, REALLY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          NINA, DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION AMONGST THE EXISTING SEARCH FIRMS THAT WE HAVE DONE BUSINESS WITH AS TO WHICH WOULD BE THE MOST QUALIFIED AND CAPABLE TO CONDUCT THIS TYPE OF SEARCH? ABSOLUTELY. 
          I THINK ALL FIRMS ARE QUALIFIED. 
          HOWEVER, SOME OF THEM HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE IN THIS PARTICULAR ARENA. 
          I WOULD SAY THE TOP, UH, TWO WILL BE POLLY HIRE AND GOV HR. 
          UH, KORN FERRY IS, HAS A VERY ROBUST PROCESS, BUT THEY MAY NOT HAVE AS MUCH EXPERIENCE IN THIS TYPE OF POSITION. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN YOU STATE THOSE NAMES AGAIN? THE TWO, UH, POLLY HIRE. 
          POLLY HIRE IS THE FIRST ONE. 
          THEY HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION, UH, LEGAL EXECUTIVES, UM, LAW ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE OF THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, EXPERIENCE THAT, THAT WILL BE GOOD. 
          AND GOV HR IS A GOOD, AGAIN, PUBLIC SAFETY LAW ENFORCEMENT, UM, CITY MANAGEMENT IN GENERAL, THEY DO A LOT OF CITY MANAGERS, UM, IN FINANCE. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT WILL BE THE MOST ALIGNED TO THIS PARTICULAR SEARCH. 
          AND KORN FERRY WILL ALSO BE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF PROCESS. 
          THEY HAVE A VERY ROBUST PROCESS. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE AS MUCH EXPERIENCE WITH GOVERNMENT AS THE OTHER TWO, BUT THAT IT HAS A, THEY HAVE A VERY GOOD, UH, RECRUITMENT PROCESS AND A WIDE NET OF CONNECTIONS. 
          UM, AND, AND I THINK THEY WILL, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU WANT, THEY MAY ALSO BE A GOOD FIRM TO CONSIDER. 
          WELL, HOW WOULD YOU START THIS PROCESS, REQUEST A PROPOSAL FROM THOSE TWO THAT YOU MENTIONED TO PRESENT TO THIS COMMITTEE AS TO HOW THEY WOULD GO ABOUT SUCH A SEARCH? WE COULD BRING THE THREE OF THEM AND, UM, DO A QUICK PRESENTATION, JUST LET YOU KNOW WHAT THEIR PROCESS IS, AND THEN YOU CAN PICK FROM THOSE THREE. 
          UM, OR IF YOU SELECT ONE IN PARTICULAR, JUST BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE GIVEN YOU, I WILL CONTACT THEM, ASK THEM TO COME IN AND START TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, WHAT WILL BE THEIR PROPOSED, UM, SCHEDULE, WHAT WILL BE THEIR PROPOSED PROCESS. 
          WE WORK WITH THEM FOR MANY OTHER POSITIONS AROUND THE CITY. 
          SO THE PROCESS WILL BE REALLY FLUID. 
          WELL, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE PRESENTATIONS FROM, UH, THE TWO P TWO FIRMS THAT YOU MENTIONED AS MOST EXPERIENCED IN THIS KIND OF A SEARCH, SO THAT THEN WE CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION AS TO WHICH ONE TO GO WITH. 
          YES, SIR. 
          CHAIRMAN MENISON, UM, I'M INCLINED TO AGREE WITH COUNCILOR RIDLEY ON THAT. 
          UM, CAN YOU REPEAT THE TWO 
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THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU THINK ARE THE MOST QUALIFIED? YES. 
          UM, BASED ON ALIGNMENT TO THE POSITION WILL BE POLL, HIRE AND GOV HR. 
          CAN YOU SPELL THAT PLEASE? GOV HR GOV. 
          HR, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, KORN FERRY IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY NOTED RECRUITING GROUP. 
          UM, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THEM INCLUDED IN THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS OF RECRUITING, ESPECIALLY FOR SOMETHING LIKE AN INSPECTOR GENERAL IS VERY SPECIFIC. 
          I MEAN, WE REALLY HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT INVESTIGATIVE EXPERIENCE, THE, THE, THE ETHICS SIDE, THE, UM, THE LEGAL SIDE. 
          AND I THINK THE WORK THAT THEY CAN DO ON LINKEDIN, THE WORK THEY CAN DO WITH THE ASSOCIATION OF INSPECTOR GENERALS IS NOT THAT DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER KIND OF INDUSTRY. 
          AND SO I, I WOULD WELCOME SOME FRESH PERSPECTIVES THAT AREN'T SO GOVERNMENT ORIENTED, UM, AND DOING THIS PROCESS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CLEARLY STRUGGLING WITH RECRUITING AND, UM, SO I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO INCLUDE KORN FERRY IN, IN THE MIX. 
          SO I'M READY TO GET STARTED. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYONE ELSE? OH, Y'ALL ARE DOING GREAT NOW, , WHEN THE COMMITTEE, AS A WHOLE COMPANY, WHEN THE COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE COMES TOGETHER, WE DO GREAT. 
          RIGHT? BUT WE TRANSPARENT THOUGH. 
          UM, AGAIN, UH, THANK YOU NINA AND, AND THANK UM, UM, EVERYONE TO COME AND ALSO THE OTHER COLLEAGUES. 
          SO WE HAVE BEEN VERY TRANSPARENT. 
          UH, THINGS ARE COMMITTED. 
          Y'ALL DOING A GREAT JOB, BUT WE ALSO, UH, REALIZED THERE WAS A STEP MISSING. 
          SO WE ALL AGREE THAT WAS A STEP MISSING AND NOW WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE UP FOR THAT STEP THAT BEEN MISSED. 
          SO GOING FORWARD, WE GONNA HAVE A MEETING ON MONDAY, WHICH IS GONNA BE, UM, ON THE AGENDA AND IT WOULD BE POSTED CORRECTLY. 
          SO SOME THINGS WE COULD NOT TALK ABOUT TODAY BECAUSE THE AGENDA WILL NOT POSTED CORRECTLY. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE KINDA MOVING ALL AROUND BECAUSE WE HAD TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL WHAT WE SAID. 
          'CAUSE IT MIGHT HAVE TO BE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          SO THEREFORE, FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE TRANSPARENT, WE HAD TO STICK WITH WHAT WAS POSTED ON THE AGENDA TODAY. 
          WITH THAT, PAUL, I SEE YOU HAVE YOUR MIC ON. 
          YES, VERY QUICKLY, UM, WHEN I CAME IN, WE HAD THIS TWO PAGER ON THE INSPECTOR GENERAL POSITION. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE A JOB DESCRIPTION OR A SOLICITATION FOR APPLICANTS, AND YET IT'S VERY OUTDATED. 
          IT TALKS ABOUT THE CANDIDATE REPORTING DIRECTLY TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, WHICH AS A RESULT OF OUR CHARTER AMENDMENT, IS NO LONGER TRUE. 
          SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHY WE WERE PRESENTED WITH THIS THIS MORNING. 
          I, I DID NOT PRESENT THAT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GOT IT FROM BECAUSE IT JUST SITTING HERE, IT WAS NOT IN MY BRIEFING THIS MORNING. 
          ONLY THING I HAD WAS ZERO WAS JUST, UH, AGENDA AND NO PAPERWORK. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM. 
          IT'S, IT IS HERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM. 
          ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THIS, NINA? NO, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T WHERE IT CAME FROM. 
          SO CAN I HAVE, YEAH. 
          YES. 
          UHHUH. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          SO WITH THAT, ANY OTHER QUESTION, COLLEAGUES? I DIDN'T GET A COPY OF THAT. 
          I DIDN'T GET A, I DIDN'T GET A COPY OF IDA. 
          I DON'T WANT, IT'S OUTDATED. 
          , IT'S OUTDATED, SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          WELL, IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. 
          YEAH, WELL, NINA, COULD WE MAKE SURE, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THIS COPY? THEY'RE REFERRING TO NINA? IT MOST LIKELY IT'S JUST THE, THE THE, SO DO YOU KNOW HOW THIS IS OUR SYSTEM? YES. 
          SO, SO WHEN YOU GET IT AND WHATEVER IT IS, CAN YOU GET IT, MAKE SURE WHAT WE HAVE, MAKE SURE IT'S UPDATED AND WE MIGHT HAVE IT ON MONDAY, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE WE GET EVERYTHING UPDATED. 
          SO THEREFORE INSPECTOR GENERALS IS SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE UPDATED, LET'S GET EVERYTHING UPDATED, WHAT WE NEED TO DO. 
          UM, UH, ATTORNEYS, UH, ZEL, UM, COULD YOU COME FORWARD, UH, ATTORNEYS, UH, PLEASE. 
          I WANNA MAKE SURE THE ATTORNEY AND ZEL, SO COULD YOU MAKE, PLEASE GO BRAD, I WANT CAN ATTORNEYS GO FORWARD, PLEASE MAKE SURE THE ATTORNEYS GO FORWARD AND COLLEAGUES, WHY THEY COMING FORWARD? COLLEAGUES. 
          SO I, I KNOW THE DAY IS THURSDAY AND, UH, BETWEEN, UM, TODAY AND MAYBE FRIDAY SOMETIME, UM, I GOTTA MAKE SURE, UM, I NEED TO TALK TO MY COLLEAGUE ABOUT THE AGENDA COME UP ON MONDAY TO MAKE SURE, OR NOT CREATING A WALKING CORNER OR WHATEVER. 
          SO I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE HOW DO I GET THE AGENDA CORRECTLY, THE RIGHT WAY THERE. 
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SO DO I HAVE TO DO AGENDA BY MYSELF? UH, CAN I TALK TO ONE OR TWO OF MY COLLEAGUES TO MAKE SURE IT'S CORRECTLY, UH, WHAT IS THE PROCESS? GIVE ME THE DIRECTION BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE THIS AGENDA ON MONDAY IS POSTED CORRECTLY. 
          YEAH, YOU, YOU CAN WORK WITH OUR OFFICE, UM, ON THE AGENDA WORDING AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT'S POSTED CORRECTLY, UM, AND REFLECTS WHAT THE COMMITTEE WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH ON MONDAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND YOU DID HEAR THE CONVERSATION TODAY, YOU GOT A BROAD UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE WANT TO POST IT. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, I THINK SO. 
          IF, IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS WE'LL GET WITH YOUR OFFICE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL I'M GONNA, OH, GET WITH ME BECAUSE I THINK WE GOT THIS LIAISON OF, OF PUBLIC INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH IT AND THAT CORRECT DESIRE BECAUSE THEY NEED TO COME DIRECT TO ME. 
          UH, I, I HEAR ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES SAYS SOME OF THE, UH, ADMINISTRATION GOT INFORMATION. 
          IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD COME DIRECT TO ME TO MAKE SURE I AM DIRECTLY IN CONTACT WITH ALL INFORMATION. 
          THEN ONCE IT GET TO ME, I'LL GET EVERYBODY THEN BECOME PUBLIC INFORMATION. 
          ONCE I GET IT PUBLIC INFORMATION. 
          I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW THAT GUIDELINE. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ANY QUESTIONS ELLE WITH YOU? NO SIR. 
          NONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO IT IS 1129 COLLEGE. 
          Y'ALL HAVE A BEAUTIFUL WEEKEND AND SEE YOU ON MONDAY. 
          SORRY, I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HAVE A BREAK ON MONDAY. 
          THANK YOU.
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