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FIRST I HAVE TO ASK, WHO VOLUNTEERS TO READ TASK FORCE? WHO VOLUNTEERS READ TASK FORCE? THANK YOU.
WE DON'T WANT YOU TO DO IT AGAIN.
WELCOME TO TODAY'S MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.
IT IS 1:03 PM ON MONDAY, JANUARY 6TH, IN THE YEAR 2025.
AND WE HAVE A FORUM OF COMMISSIONERS HERE, READY TO HAVE OUR OFFICIAL PUBLIC MEETING.
UH, WE WILL BEGIN WITH DELAY READING.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? DISTRICT FIVE.
COMMISSIONER COX? PRESENT? DISTRICT 11.
COMMISSIONER POSI PRESENT? DISTRICT 14.
UM, AND I DON'T SEE COMMISSIONER OFF UP ON THE SCREEN, YOU KNOW, BUT IS IT STILL TECHNICAL ISSUES? IT WASN'T THERE GUY.
I'M JUST, HE MIGHT POP BACK UP.
HE'S EXPOSED TECHNICAL ISSUES.
UH, I JUST ASSUME WE HAVE ONLY TWO PEOPLE IN OUR VAST AUDIENCE SEATING.
WHICH, WHICH ITEM ARE YOU HERE FOR? UM, 35 16 BOOKER STREET.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS SOMETHING WE ALREADY KNEW.
AND MATT, CAN WE READY TO BEGIN? MICHELLE NOTE? YES.
UH, FIRST I MOVE, UH, TWO APPROVED CONSENT ITEMS, ONE THROUGH 17 PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SO THE I IT, I MOVED TO, UH, APPROVED CONSENT ITEMS ONE THROUGH 17, UH, PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION IN THAT CASE? THEN WE WILL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? PLEASE SAY YES.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED, PLEASE SAY NO.
IT HAS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY AND STAFF WILL NOTIFY ALL THE PEOPLE WHO PUT IN THOSE CONSENT AGENDA REQUEST ALL THOSE TREES.
I, UH, MOVE THAT WE REARRANGED THE AGENDA TO THE FOLLOWING.
WE'LL BEGIN WITH D TWO FOR THOSE THAT ARE PRESENT IN PERSON, FOLLOWED BY D 1 6 7 AND THEN 3, 4, 5.
UH, THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER BERGER.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THAT CARRIES.
AND THEREFORE THE FIRST CASE WE SHALL HEAR IS DISCUSSION ON NUMBER TWO AND WE WOULD FROM OUR SPEAKERS IN A FEW MINUTES AFTER THE STAFF FINISHES READING A VERY LONG INTRODUCTION.
IT'S LEGALLY REQUIRED THAT YOU DO THIS WHETHER YOU WANNA DO OR NOT.
RONELL PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 35 16 HOOPER STREET.
IT'S UNDER PRE DESIGNATION MORATORIUM.
IN PARTICULAR, IT'S IN THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 4 5 DASH 1 79 RFD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON
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A VACANT LOT STAFF.RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 12 19 20 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE, THAT THE TWO FRONT WINDOWS BE PAIRED SEPARATED BY A VOLUME.
IN OTHER WORDS, TRIM WITH A MINIMUM WIDTH OF FOUR INCHES WIDE.
TWO, THAT PORCH COLUMNS FRONT AND REAR BE SQUARE.
ALL WOOD BOX COLUMNS NOT PLAID WITH HORIZONTAL MAP SIDING.
THREE THAT PAIRED FRONT WINDOWS AND FRONT EXTERIOR DOOR BE CENTERED BETWEEN CORRESPONDING PORCH COLUMNS.
FOUR THAT EXPOSED RAPTOR TAILS ARE TO BE EXPRESSED.
FIVE, THAT EXTERIOR SIDING BE EXTENDED TO SIX INCHES ABOVE GRADE OR GROUND LEVEL.
AND SIX, THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE OF RUSH FINISH UPON GRADE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBDIVISION, D FIVE B FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SENATE DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
THERE WAS NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTED WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENT SLASH LIMITED SIDING ON FRONT ELEVATION SHOULD BE HORIZONTAL.
THERE'S A NOTE HERE THAT APPLICANT ALTER ORIENTATION OF EXTERIOR SIDING ON FRONT ELEVATION TO ADDRESS TASK FORCE COMMENTS.
UM, WHERE DOES OUR SPEAKER GO? BELIEVE MAYBE THE PODIUM.
YOU GET TO BE ON STAGE WITH US.
YOUR MICROPHONE'S NOT ON, SIR.
ASK YOU SIR TO START BY GIVING US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH.
I'M SPEAKING ON 35 16 BOOKER STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5.
UM, LOOKING FORWARD TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ACCORDING TO THIS GUIDELINE.
UM, I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ON, I GUESS TWO THINGS ON THE COMMENTS.
UM, ONE, IS THE RAFTER EXPOSED? IS THAT REALLY NECESSARY? UH, WILL WHY DON'T YOU THINK IF YOU'RE SPEAKING, THEN WE'LL ANSWER, BUT YOU NEED TO TALK RIGHT INTO THE MICROPHONE.
IF IT'S NOT WORKING WELL, IT'S, IT IS WORKING.
I JUST TURNED THE SPEAKER DOWN.
CAN CAN IT GO UP A LITTLE BIT? NOT HALFWAY, BUT IT'S, I JUST, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PEOPLE AT HOME.
SO TELL US YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT OUR COMMENTS WE HAD.
I'M SURE WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS READY TO DISCUSS THE COMMENTS THAT WE MADE EARLIER.
UM, AND YOU CAN TALK BACK AND FORTH WITH THEM AT THAT TIME.
EXPOSE, UM, RAFTER ON THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UH, IS IT NECESSARY TO BE EXPOSED OR, ALRIGHT, SO YEAH, WELL THEN WE'LL ANSWER THAT.
UM, I GUESS EVERYTHING ELSE IS FAIR AND I COULD PRETTY MUCH DO I THINK, UM, I HAVE NO SUGGESTION THEN STAY HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE QUESTIONS.
YOU'LL NEED TO ANSWER THEM INTO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE.
WHO HAS QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER RENE? YEAH, SO, UH, COMMISSIONER RENO, I HAD, UH, SO I THINK WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER DUNN WAS RECOMMENDING AND HER SUGGESTIONS TO MAKE THE, THE RAPTORS EXPOSED WOULD BE TO MAKE IT MORE A CRAFTSMAN DESIGN.
HOWEVER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATIONS, THEY'RE SORT OF HALFWAY CRAFTSMAN AND HALFWAY, UH, UH, COLONIAL REVIVAL.
AND I THINK IF WE WENT WITH A COLONIAL REVIVAL ROUTE, THEN YOU COULD ENCLOSE THE, UM, THE S THE WAY YOU DRAW 'EM.
UM, THERE'S A DETAIL AT THE TOP OF THE GABLES, UM, BUT IT'S MORE OF A CRAFTSMAN STYLE DETAIL RATHER THAN THE, THAN A COLONIAL.
SO I THINK THAT'S, UM, IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE WERE TO STAY COLONIAL, THEN YOU COULD DROP THAT, UH, THAT DETAIL IF THE GABLE, UM, HOWEVER, SO USUALLY ON THE COLONIAL DETAIL, THE, THE ROOFS WERE A LITTLE STEEPER THAN WHAT SHOWN, I BELIEVE YOU'RE SHOWING IT LIKE AT SIX
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AND 12.IS THAT CORRECT? ON THE SLOPE? UM, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO, TO, UM, RAISE THAT SLOPE TO EIGHT 12? I KNOW IT'S MORE MATERIAL.
UM, AND THEN I WAS GONNA MAKE A SUGGESTION ON THE FRONT PORCH.
I THINK, UH, DR. DUNN WAS CORRECT THAT SHE WAS SAYING THAT SHE WANTED THE WINDOWS TO BE, UH, BASICALLY GANGED TOGETHER WITH A, WITH A SIX, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
SO WHEN THAT HAPPENS THOUGH, THEN THE COLUMN FALLS IN FRONT OF, UH, OF ONE OF THE WINDOWS.
RIGHT? SO, SO THAT COLUMN DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE IN THE VERY CENTER OF THAT TABLE MOVE OR SO THAT IT CENTERS THE, THE FLOORS AND THEN CENTERS THE, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES.
SO YOU COULD SLIDE IT TO THE, TO THE LEFT, RIGHT ABOUT 18 INCHES OR SO.
THAT'S EIGHT 12 INCH THE ROOF AND SLIDE.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANT? ANYONE AT HOME WILL HAVE TO SPEAK UP.
WE WON'T HEAR YOU ACTUALLY, IF YOU ARE SPEAKING UP AT HOME.
THEY SHOULD, WE SHOULD HAVE STILL BEEN ABLE TO HEAR THAT.
IS THERE ANYONE HOME WHO HAS ANYTHING TO ASK? OKAY, IF NOT THEN WE CAN GET THAT DOWN.
UH, NO ONE HERE SEEMS TO HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER.
IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, THAT MEANS I NEED A MOTION.
IN THE MATTER OF, UH, 35 16 BOOKER STREET, UH, KNOWN AS CA 2 45 DASH 1 79 RD, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT TO BE APPROVED, UH, WITH THE SIGHTED CONDITIONS AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.50 1D FIVE B FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING FOR DISTRICT AND NEIGHBORHOODS COMMISSIONER OSA.
WE DID HAVE AN AGREEMENT MADE HERE THAT WE WOULD ELIMINATE STAFF CONDITION NUMBER FOUR ABOUT THE, THE MOST RAPTOR TAILS AND INSTEAD PLACE A CONDITION TO INCREASE THE ROOF PITCH TO EIGHT TO 12 INSTEAD OF SIX 12 IT IS NOW.
THAT'S THE CONDITION SIDED THEN.
DID YOU HAVE TO SAY IT ALL OVER AGAIN OR IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH? UH, SAY THAT AGAIN FOR ME.
WE LEGALLY HAVE IT DOWN, I THINK.
MAY I ADD, UH, UH, ONE OR TWO, UH, FRIENDLY.
COMMISSIONER RENO, HE HAS SOME FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS, COMMISSIONER, AND ALSO WE WILL LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAYS.
THEN WE WOULD ELIMINATE THE GABLE DETAIL AT THE, THE TOP OF THE GABLE.
AND, UH, WE CAN ALSO MOVE THE CENTER COLUMN, UH, 18 INCHES TO THE LEFT.
SO LET US REVIEW BECAUSE COMMISSIONER OSA WILL HAVE TO FILL OUT THAT FORM WHERE SHE WRITES THIS DOWN.
SO WE NO LONGER REQUIRE CONDITION NUMBER FOUR EXPOSED TRAFFIC TAILS.
WE DO AS THE, THE ROOF HIT BE INCREASED FROM SIX BY 12 TO EIGHT BY 12.
COMMISSIONER RENO, THE REMOVAL OF THE, UH, CROSS DETAIL AT THE HEAD OF EACH GABLE, FRONT GABLE AND THAT THE CENTER, UH, PORCH COLUMN BE MOVED TO THE LEFT 18 INCHES.
COMMISSIONER HOSA, I'M SORRY, DO YOU HAVE THAT WRITTEN DOWN? SO, UH, YES.
UH, JUST TO CLARIFY AGAIN, THE, THE ROOFING UHB REMOVE THE, REMOVE THE GABLE DETAIL.
I THINK SHE MADE SOME FALSE PARTS.
WHAT WAS THAT ONE MORE TIME? THE ROOFING, UH, THE ROOFING TO EIGHT AND 12.
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YES.AND THAT WAS THE ROOFING, UH, TIP SLOPE.
AND ARE YOU THE SECOND FOR THAT? COMMISSIONER RENO? THERE'S NO ONE YELL.
COMMISSIONER RENO IS OUR SECOND ON THIS.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? DID WE MANAGED TO DISCUSS IT OUR, WHILE MAKING THE MOTION? ALRIGHT, THEN LET'S CALL, VOTE FOR IT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
THAT APPEARS TO HAVE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY, SIR.
YOU HAVE, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO FORWARD WITH YOUR HOUSE WITH THOSE CONDITIONS, WHICH STAFF WILL HELP YOU WITH MAKING SURE THAT YOU MAKE THE CHANGES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEM.
AND GOOD LUCK AND WE'RE GLAD YOU BUILD THAT HOUSE THERE.
WE HOPE YOU'LL ENJOY ALL OUR NEXT UP IS D ONE.
WE DECIDED WE'RE NOT UNMUTING, RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING JUST AS WE ARE.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 1 52 11 VICTOR STREET, LONGER PLACE HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 4 5 1 6 9 CP.
REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO BUILD AN ADDITION TO REAR SIDE OF MAIN STRUCTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUESTS FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO BUILD AN ADDITION TO THE REAR SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE STRUCTURE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 1211 2024 WITH THE CONDITIONS.
NUMBER ONE, THAT TWO CAR TWO GARAGE DOORS ARE USED RATHER THAN ONE AND TWO.
THAT FENCE IS INSTALLED AT A LOCATION THAT WILL COVER AND MINIMIZE THE VIEW OF THE ATTACHED GARAGE.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 11 A TO PERTAINING TO THE BUILDING PLACEMENT FORM AND TREATMENT OF ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR SETTINGS, DISTRICT AND NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
PROVE WHAT THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
NUMBER ONE, DRAWINGS FOR EXISTING AND NEW ELEVATION SHOULD ACCURATELY REFLECT THE OPEN OFFICE WITH EXPOSED RAFTERS.
NUMBER TWO INCLUDE BLOCK COVERAGE ON THE PLANS.
NUMBER THREE, DOORS AND WINDOWS SCHEDULED NEEDS TO SPECIFY MATERIALS TO BE USED, WHICH SHOULD BE WOOD.
NUMBER FOUR, SPECIFY EXTERIOR, EXTERIOR MATERIALS ON THE PLANS, WHICH SHOULD BE WOOD NUMBER FIVE.
FENCE PLACEMENT MAY NOT BE IN FRONT OF CORNER SIDE YARD.
AND NUMBER SIX, ATTACHED GARAGE IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH SOLID NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER REGISTERED FOR THIS.
MARTHA PERSON OR ONLINE? YEAH, UP HERE.
AND THEN YOU CAN JUST ANSWER QUESTIONS, THEN I'LL HAVE QUESTIONS.
UM, THE ADDRESS IS 52 11 VICTOR STREET.
UM, AND I JUST BOUGHT THIS HOUSE BEAUTIFUL HOME.
SO YOU HAVE ANY I'M SORRY MA'AM, I HAVE TO MAKE YOU PROMISE TO TELL ME THE TRUTH FIRST.
I PROMISE I KNOW WHAT, BUT IT'S A FORMALITY.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR HOUSE AND WHAT YOU THINK WE NEED TO KNOW FURTHER.
WELL, UM, I'M REQUESTING TO, UM, THE, THE PLANS TO BE APPROVED AND I'M, UM, THIS HOUSE GOT IN FI INTO FIRE, SO I'M REBUILDING THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND I, I WANNA BUILD A GARAGE, UM, AND I'M WILLING TO DO A TWO CAR GARAGE, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO, UM, TO BUILD IT THE WAY, THE WAY I BELIEVE IT WILL BE, UM, THE WAY I WANT IT.
UM, BUT UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER, I'LL BE HAPPY TO.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS CHATTING ON THEMSELVES, FOLLOW QUESTIONS, BE ON THE CORNER SIDE.
QUESTIONS? YES, I HAVE QUESTIONS.
SO THE, THE DRIVEWAY WILL BE ON THE CORNER SIDE, IS THAT CORRECT? THE YES, THE GARAGE WILL BE ON THE SIDE.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE, THE DRIVEWAY WILL HAVE TO BE ON THE CORNER SIDE, NOT THE INTERIOR SIDE? NO, NOT THE INTERIOR.
SO ON THE OUTSIDE, THAT'S WHY WE PUT THE CONDITION OF THE, OF THE FENCES TO KIND OF MINIMIZE.
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SO THE FENCE WILL BE ON THE CORNER SIDE.SO THAT'S GONNA, YOU WON'T SEE THE GARAGE DOORS FROM THE FRONT OR FROM THE SIDE? NO, YOU WON'T SEE THAT.
YOU'LL SEE THE GARAGE DOORS ONLY FROM THE SIDE, THE FRONT.
YOU WON'T SEE IT BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THIS SIDE OF THE CORNER.
SO IF IT WERE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT LIKE THIS, THIS IS THE CORNER LOT.
THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
THE GARAGE DOORS ARE ON THIS SIDE.
SO WE WERE ASKING THAT THE FENCE JUST BE BROUGHT UP TO KIND OF MINIMIZE.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU OKAY WITH A, A FENCE THAT WILL HIDE THE GARAGE DOORS? YES.
IF THAT IS, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO DO.
BUT THE, THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION? NO, IT'S NOT.
IT'S JUST SHE KNOWS SHE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON ALSO, UM, I, I COMMENTED EARLIER AND I HEARD YOU WERE LISTENING.
WE, THE GARAGE DOORS, WE WILL NEED TO KNOW BEFORE YOU GO AHEAD AND INSTALL THEM WHAT GARAGE DOORS YOU HAVE SELECTED.
AND WE'LL HAVE TO APPROVE THOSE TOO, BECAUSE THE STYLE THUMB WITH THE PANELING AND STUFF HAS TO FIT WITH THE REST OF THE FACULTY.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU, THEY TOLD ME YOU WERE LISTENING, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU HEARD THAT PART.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I HAVE A WORD OF ADVICE ON THE, ON THE PORCH.
ASK HER, WOULD YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR A WORD OF ADVICE? YES.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE ONE THING I JUST MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF IS THAT, UM, THAT THE PORCH RIGHT NOW ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, BECAUSE IT COMES CLOSE TO THE EDGE OF THE POOL, UM, THE DISTANCE AND THERE WASN'T A DIMENSION SHOWING, UH, WHERE THAT CORNER SITS RELATIVE TO THE EDGE OF THE POOL, WHERE THE DEPTH OF THE POOL, THE DISTANCE AWAY HAS TO BE THE SAME.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU WERE YES.
SECOND AND THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER ANDERSON WHO MAY MOTION RENE.
ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MOTION COMMISSIONER PEL? YEAH, I SUPPORT THE MOTION.
ONE THING I THINK STAFF, UM, AND THAT I THINK THE APPLICANT SHOULD ASK FOR, UM, IN THE NEXT ROUND AND SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IS IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO PUT THE FENCE UP 50, YOU KNOW, TO COVER IT, OPEN IT ALL THE WAY UP, I THINK YOU SHOULD ASK TO GO BACK TO JUST HAVING ONE GARAGE DOOR.
I THINK I TWO GARAGE DOORS COULD BE A HUGE PAIN FOR YOU.
UM, I, THEY'VE ALREADY STATED THAT IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE, SO IF, IF YOU'RE GOING TO ACCEPT IT, YOU COVER IT WITH THE FENCE ANYWAY, I THINK AN ACCOMMODATION SHOULD MADE, UH, TO YOU FOR THAT.
THAT'S MY, SO THAT'S ONE OF 15 VOTE.
THANK YOU THAT I WILL DO THAT.
WELL IS THAT PART OF THE MOTION? NO, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING SHE WAS MAKING SURE THAT THE APPLICANT COULD THINK OF FOR THE NEXT ROUND AND STAFF WILL DISCUSS WITH HER.
ANYTHING ELSE WHEN WE ARE READY TO VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
PASSED PASSED UNANIMOUSLY
AND WE'RE THRILLED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIX THIS HOUSE.
UH, NEXT UP IN OUR SCHEDULING WAS D SIX.
SOUTH EDGEFIELD AVENUE IN THE WINNETKA HEIGHTS IS, OH, AND COMMISSIONER SHERMAN IS RECUSED ON THIS ONE.
1 0 6 SOUTH EDGEFIELD AVENUE IN THE WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 4 5 DASH 1 5 4 AND W AND I'M MARCUS WATSON PRESENTING THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY MAIN STRUCTURE AND ONE STORY ATTACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND INSTALL RELATED WALKWAYS, DRIVEWAYS, AND FENCES.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY MAIN STRUCTURE AND ONE STORY DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND INSTALL RELATED WALKWAYS AND DRIVEWAYS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS STATING 12 7.4 WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT ALL WINDOW WINDOWS AND DOORS BE WOOD INSIDE AND OUT WITH EXPRESSED BUTTONS AND NO CLADDING.
THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
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PERTAINING TO ACCESSORY BUILDINGS.A THREE PERTAINING TO ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL.
A FIVE PERTAINING TO BUILDING PLACEMENT.
A SEVEN PERTAINING TO CHIMNEYS.
A EIGHT PERTAINING TO COLOR A NINE PERTAINING TO COLUMNS A 10 PERTAINING TO FACADE MATERIALS.
A 11 PERTAINING TO FRONT ENTRANCES AND PORCHES.
A 14 PERTAINING TO ROOF FORMS. A 17 PERTAINING TO WINDOWS AND DOORS B TWO PERTAINING TO FENCES B FOUR PERTAINING TO OUTDOOR LIGHTING AND B NINE PERTAINING TO SIDEWALKS, DRIVEWAYS, AND CURBING THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY MAIN STRUCTURE AND ONE STORY DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND INSTALL RELATED WALKWAYS AND DRIVEWAYS BEING DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
FOLLOWING COMMENTS, NUMBER ONE, COLUMNS SHOULD BE BETWEEN WINDOWS, NOT IN FRONT OF THEM, NOT REVISED.
NUMBER TWO, FRONT DOOR NEEDS TO BE CENTERED, NOT REVISED.
NUMBER THREE, RETHINK AREA WITH LOTS OF ROOF LINES.
NUMBER FOUR, CONSIDER MOVING CHIMNEY TO SOUTH SIDE OF DEN, NOT REVISED.
NUMBER FIVE, CHECK DETAILS ON ELEVATIONS ADDRESSED INNER.
AND WE HAVE, UM, REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
I SEE ONE VERY ISAAC MARTINEZ AND C*****G.
ARE YOU GOING TO BE SHOWING A POWERPOINT? IS THAT THE COMPUTER? I AM.
I WE UM, I'M LISTENED IN THIS MORNING AND WE DID SOME REVISIONS TO SHOW YOU GUYS.
UM, UM, SO I NEED YOU TO BEGIN LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, I NEED YOUR NAME JERRY POLL, BUT TELL US AGAIN AND YOUR, UM, NOT YOUR BIRTHDAY, YOUR ADDRESS.
I IS, UH, 2 2 7 NORTH ROSEMONT.
AND YOU PROMISED TO TELL US THE TRUTH? ABSOLUTELY, YES.
AND I THINK IF YOU WERE LISTENING, YOU HEARD THAT WE DECIDED OUR, UM, APPROACH TO THIS WAS TO FIRST TELL ALL EVERYONE INVOLVED THAT THE HOUSE IS ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS AND WE ALL WISH WE COULD LIVE IN IT.
WE DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT ITS SUITABILITY FOR THE PLACE FOR WHICH IT'S PROPOSED TO BE BUILT.
I WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE KIND OF FROM A LARGER TO DETAILS.
'CAUSE THE DETAILS COULD TAKE THE REST OF OUR LIVES FOR SURE.
SO I ALSO HAVE SOME PRINTOUTS THAT I'M JUST PASS THAT EVERYBODY I COULD SHOW CAN SHARE.
I'VE GOT COLOR SWATCHES HERE IF ANYBODY NEEDS TO SEE IT, I'LL ADDRESS SOME OF THE MAJOR, UH, JUST A BIG ONE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.
UH, ONE OF THE BIG IS ON, YOU'LL SEE ON THE, UH, HANDOUT, ONE OF THE BIG ITEMS. LET ME MOVE, DROP MY COMPUTER.
LET'S, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET THE SHARING STARTED AND THEN WE'LL START, I'M SHARING RIGHT NOW AND IF YOU GO OVER WE CAN, WE CAN ALLOW YOU MORE TIME AFTERWARDS.
WE JUST START WITH THREE MINUTES AND I WILL SHARE, UH, THIS, LET'S SHOW.
SO WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA GO AT THE END SO I A LITTLE MORE TIME TO THINK ABOUT WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
WE REARRANGED FOR WHO SPEAKING
SO ONE OF THESE WAS, SO, UM, LEMME SEE HERE.
SO, UM, I, I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, BEEN HERE FOR 15 YEARS.
I'M A BUILDER FOR THE LAST 10 IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I'VE GOT A LOT OF HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS CLIENT PARTICULAR IN PARTICULAR, UM, THEY, UM, LIVE IN, UM, MY, UH, CREAM OF THE CHAIR, THE APP RESERVATION AWARD IN 2020.
UM, AND SO, UM, WE, WE VERY MUCH CARE ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I, UH, USED IT AS AN EXCUSE TO GO TO PASADENA.
I WAS THE ONE, NOT THE CLIENT.
UM, OF COURSE I WROTE ALL AS A BUSINESS EXPENSE.
UM, BUT I ALWAYS WANTED TO GO.
I KNOW THAT, UH, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE ORNATENESS IN THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO I, IN THE, UH, A FOUR INCH BEAUTIFUL AIRPLANE BUN ON THE TOP LEFT, WHICH IS 2 27 NORTH ROSEMONT, UH, I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE, UH, 2020 AND, UM, THICK OF THE PANDEMIC.
AND SO, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW,
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JUST AS BROADLY SPEAKING, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO KIND OF KNOW WHERE THAT LINE IS AS LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE CATALOG VERSION OF A CRAFTMAN HOUSE FROM, FROM CALIFORNIA AND SOME SORT OF, UH, CRAFTSMAN CATALOG VERSUS, UH, WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE.I THINK WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS ANYTIME YOU LOOK AT AN AIRPLANE BUNGA BELOW, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO FEW IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE SAID STUFF.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID EIGHT, I'D ARGUE THEY FOLLOW ONE, LIKE THREE OR FOUR THAT WERE ORIGINAL, UM, THAT WERE WERE BUILT THAT WAY.
UM, THESE ARE TWO THAT YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT HERE.
ONE OF THEM IS MINE ON THE LEFT, THE OTHER ONE ON THE RIGHT IS ON WILL.
I'M ACTUALLY GONNA COME UP TO YOU GUYS.
EXCUSE ME, SIR, THAT'S YOUR TIME.
I MOVE THAT WE GIVE HIM THREE MORE MINUTES.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
AND YOU OPPOSED? OKAY, NOW YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES HARD.
THE FIRST THING IS THE FIREPLACE.
UH, THEY'RE ALWAYS OFFSET ON AN AIRPLANE BECAUSE YOUR, YOUR SECOND DOOR IS ALWAYS, UH, YOU KNOW, SMALL OFFSET TO ONE SIDE, UM, KIND OF ASYMMETRIC AS YOU CAN SEE IN BOTH THESE OF THESE PICTURES.
I'M GONNA PRESENT ANOTHER SCREEN REAL QUICK 'CAUSE IT'S, I'M JUST GONNA JUMP, UH, JUMP TO IT SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT I, UH, SHOW YOU REAL QUICK.
OH, DID I DISCONNECT? DIS THERE, IT'S SHOWING HERE, SO, OH, HERE IT IS.
NO, I MEAN, IT WAS, IT SCREENS.
AND SO I, UH, I UNDERSTAND KIND OF THE OBJECTION TO SOME OF THE VERTICAL GABLE IN KIND OF DETAIL.
DETAIL, UM, THAT WE PUT IN THERE.
UH, IS NOT NORMAL, UH, OR NOT, SHOULD I SAY, THERE ARE SOME
UM, SO WE, UH, LITERALLY AS I WAS OFF THE MEETING, I CALLED CHRIS, WHO WAS THE ARCHITECT, UM, OR DESIGN ON THIS.
AND I SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE, UH, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, DOUBT THIS DOWN A LITTLE BIT? UM, AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING, Y'ALL WANNA JUST STAY IN TIME WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THAT POINT, RIGHT? I MEAN, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE AN ARBITRARY, UH, ENTITY, RIGHT? AND SOME OF PEOPLE MIGHT SAY DEFINITELY 1, 4, 8, SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY, THAT'S WAY TOO EIGHT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE CHANGED SOME OF OUR SMALLER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO, UH, REALLY HAD TO SPEAK UP, UM, TO, TO SAY, HEY, HERE I AM.
AND THEY MADE THEMSELVES VERY GAUDY WITH THEIR DENTAL DETAILS AND THEIR, UH, YOU KNOW, THEIR SIDELIGHTS AND, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT, UM, THEY DID TO KIND OF PUT THEMSELVES OUT THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SEE THAT IN THIS DESIGN, THIS IS NEW, THIS IS FRESH.
UM, WE TOOK, UH, OFF SOME OF THE VERTICAL, UM, EMAIL ON THE CABLE END AND WE TOOK UP INSTEAD ON THE SECOND FLOOR, WE TOOK UP OUR CEDAR SHAPES.
UH, WE ALSO TOOK THE VERTICAL DETAIL OFF THE OTHER GABLES AND, UH, WE CONVERTED THE SIDEWALK TO A, UH, TO A REGULAR CONCRETE AND, UH, OUR PORCH TO TRADITIONAL, UH, MORE TRADITIONAL WOOD.
UM, WE'RE WILLING TO KIND OF, KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT AND TAKE THOSE STEPS TO, UH, KIND OF FIT MORE WITH, UH, WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S AT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S SOME STILL SOME DETAILS SPECIFICALLY WHEN YOU GO TO THE RAPTOR TAILS, BUT I THINK THAT YOU, UM, REFER TO THE PICTURE THAT I PRINTED.
YOU COULD SEE THE RAPTOR TAILS ON THE 2 27 TOP LEFT TAS.
UM, THEY'RE MORE ORNATE AND MORE, UH, KIND OF MORE EXPOSED.
YOU ALSO HAVE AN OPEN-END GABLE ON THAT SIDE, WHICH IS, UH, UH, ON THE MAIN PORCH THERE, WHICH IS VERY UNIQUE.
I MEAN, IT'S EXTREMELY, UH, UNIQUE TO HAVE THAT OPEN END GABLE.
UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THAT THE RAILING IS ONLY, THAT IS YOUR TIME, SIR.
I'M ALMOST, YOU DONE? I'M ALMOST, I BELIEVE WE GAVE ANOTHER TWO, MAYOR.
ALRIGHT, SECOND, SECOND, SECOND IS COMMISSIONER OSI.
I'M, I'M A LITTLE MORE HESITANT TO GIVE UP THE RAILING, UH, AND TRADITIONAL TWO BY TWO SPINDLE OR A ONE OR TWO BY FOUR TURNED ON INSIDE.
UM, THIS IS TO ME A LITTLE BIT OF AN AN TO THE ORIGINAL, UH, LIKE DESIGN AIRPLANES IN GENERAL.
UM, SPECIFICALLY, UM, THE JOB, THESE INFLUENCES CAME FROM, UM, THE SHE OF THE SWORD.
AND THAT IS A PATTERN THAT, UM, AGAIN, TO GIVE IT UP IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS, UM, WANT TO PUSH BACK ON.
BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, UH, WE'VE SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS LOOKING AT THIS, UH, SPENT A LOT TIME STUDYING THIS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE CARE ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WE'RE NOT WANTING TO DO ANYTHING THAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, TOO GAUDY, UH, AND,
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UH, REALLY THIS THANK YOU.NOW IT IS TIME FOR US TO ASK QUESTIONS.
REMEMBER FIRST WE ARE TRYING TO ASK QUESTIONS, BUT YOU CAN MAKE ANYTHING A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT THE OF CREATIVITY.
AND LET'S REMEMBER, WE'D LIKE TO START AT THE OVERALL PICTURE AND WORK OUR WAY TO OUR SPECIFIC DETAILS ABOUT CABLES, WINDOW STRINGS, AND ALL THE OTHER LITTLE THINGS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO TALK ABOUT.
I HAVE A COMMENT, THIS IS POSSIBLE TO MOVE BUT OVER BECAUSE OUR LITTLE BOX IS HIDING.
CAN YOU MOVE BACK? YOU SEE PART OF THE ROOF? CAN YOU MOVE? YOU WANNA MOVE BACK? YEAH, THAT LITTLE BOX.
CAN YOU MOVE THE PARTICIPANT BOX UP TO THE CORNER? OKAY, WE FOR A SECOND JUROR.
OH, WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, HANG ON, MR. ANDERSON.
I FORGOT WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER FOR BILL COMING IS ALL SO HERE TO SPEAK.
DID SHE WANT TO SPEAK COME, OR ARE YOU HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS HERE TO MORE TO ANSWER QUESTION? UH, THE GUYS IT KIND OF COVERED IT.
HOW DO I PERHAPS YOU, IF IT'S, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, CAN YOU JOIN HIM UP THERE? SO YOU'RE READY IF WE ASK YOU.
THIS IS HIS, UH, THIS IS HIS WHY WE NEED AND WELL, SO IN CASE IF YOU'RE GONNA ANSWER QUESTIONS, I'D STILL NEED YOU TO GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND TELL WILLIAM CUMMINGS, UH, TWO 11 NORTH ROSEMONT A, UM, AND WHAT, AND OH, YOU PROMISED TO TELL THE TRUTH.
OKAY, SO NOW WE ARE READY FOR QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS.
AND ARE THE OTHER ELEVATIONS ALSO AVAILABLE OR WE JUST HAVE THE FRONT, I'M SORRY.
UH, MR. MARTINEZ, ARE THE OTHER LATEST ELEVATIONS AVAILABLE TO SHOW UP HERE? OH, JUST THE FRONT? YEAH.
YES, WE MEAN THE CHANGES ON THE FRONT, ALL OF THESE ARE THOSE CHANGES.
SO REALLY WE JUST CHANGED THE FRONT AND THAT FRONT ELEVATION REALLY THE BIGGEST ONE.
I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU SAYING LIKE, LIKE THIS, THEY'RE ALL UPDATED TO KIND OF SHOW THE SAME, UH, DETAIL THERE IS THIS, SO THE SIGN ELEVATIONS ARE VERY SIMILAR TO BEFORE.
THIS IS DEFINITELY SIMPLIFIED FROM THE ORIGINAL.
WELL, I GUESS MY BIG QUESTION IS DO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING A NEW DESIGN THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE? LOOK AT, I MEAN THIS IS, THIS IS A WONDERFUL EXERCISE, BUT I DON'T, NOT SURE I'M COMFORTABLE LOOKING AT THE SPINNING IMAGE AND APPROVING.
AND WE ALREADY MAYBE, MAYBE WE HAVEN'T DONE, I DON'T KNOW.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT THERE WAS SOME LIKELIHOOD THAT THIS ONE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A RULE SET OF FINAL PLANS BEFORE WE COULD APPROVE IT.
THAT'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY WHEN SO MANY CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE.
SO THAT MIGHT BE WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
UM, BUT IF WE CAN USE THIS AS A, A TRYING TO LOOK AT IT CONCEPTUALLY, TREAT IT LIKE A COURTESY REVIEW.
IF YOU'RE, IF THAT'S THE WAY YOU'RE THINKING THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY THE WAY FOR WOULD THINK IT RIGHT NOW.
UM, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF OUR PLAN TO TREAT THIS LIKE A COURTESY REVIEW, SIR? ONE, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IS THAT WE'RE REALLY, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE FAST.
THERE IS, UM, A TIMELINE HERE THAT'S KIND OF OUTSIDE, OUTSIDE OF THIS, UH, HAPPENING.
LIKE, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET, GET UM, UH, THE FAMILY INTO THE HOUSE.
UH, AND UH, I THINK I HAVE A REALLY GOOD TRACK.
I THINK A LOT OF THE MEMBERS REMEMBER FAST.
UM, IN FACT, FACT ON 1 0 8 AS AN EXAMPLE, THE WAS APPROVED, UM, CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH COMMISSIONER WHO WAS SEEING, OH GOSH, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO IT WAS, JUAN MORE WINDOWS.
AND THEY SAID, HEY, CAN WE GET SOME MORE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE? AND I WAS LIKE, YEAH, LET'S DO IT.
AND SO, SO WE ADDED THOSE WINDOWS AND THERE WAS NO APPROVED TO THAT IN HERE.
WE REMOVED THE GATE AND THEN VERTICAL DETAIL AND THE FRONT, UH, I JUST ASK, AND WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE SOME, WE NEED TO HURRY AND THE APPLICANTS WOULD LIKE TO GET INTO THEIR NEW HOME.
AT A CERTAIN POINT THOUGH, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE END UP DISCUSSING ABOUT THIS CHANGE FROM DESIGN, AND THERE CAN BE SO MANY CHANGES THAT WE'RE JUST NOT COMFORTABLE WITH APPROVING THEM WHEN ALL WE HAVE ARE WORDS DESCRIBING THEM RATHER THAN DRAWING, SHOWING THEM.
IT WILL BE CONFUSING FOR INSPECTORS WHEN THEY COME OUT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS BUILT ACCORDING TO OUR RULING.
AND IT COULD BE BAD IF THERE'S A MISTAKE MADE IN WHAT YOU BUILD, IF IT DOESN'T MATCH WHAT WE SAID, REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED WITH THOSE PEOPLE THAT MADE A TOWNHOUSE THAT'S
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NOT IN A LAWSUIT, NOT US, THAT WASN'T OURSELVES, SOMEBODY ELSE.SO WE WANT TO, UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S A COMPROMISE PERHAPS BETWEEN WHAT OUR ORIGINAL DATA HIGH IS AND WHAT WE THINK FITS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE WANNA CLEARLY EXPRESS IT.
SO IF NO ONE ELSE HAS A QUESTION, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, OH, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YOU GO, YEAH, SORRY, I HAD A QUESTION ON THE, THE PORCH MATERIAL.
IT'S HARD TO, TO SEE FROM THE, FROM THE RENDERING IF THAT IS STILL IN FACT BREAK TRADITIONAL.
OKAY, SOMEBODY ELSE HAS A QUESTION ABOUT SOMETHING ABOUT THE BUILDING.
IT'S NOT A DOWN IN MY MIND ABOUT YOUR ABILITIES AND I THINK ALL THE DESIGNS ARE EXCELLENT BECAUSE IT'S, SOME OF THEM WERE A LITTLE MORE PASADENA AND NOT ONE THAT CAN HIDE.
SO, SO OUR CONCERNS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN APPROVE SOMETHING.
UM, YOU HAD ACTUALLY HAD THE FOUR ELEVATIONS AVAILABLE OR YOU JUST HAVE THIS DESIGN METRIC BASE.
THIS WE WORKED STRICTLY IN THE, UH, IN THE 3D ELEMENT TO IF YOU COULD MAYBE SHOW US THE, IS IT POSSIBLE TO SHOW US THE FOUR ELEVATIONS? THIS THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET.
MAKE SURE LOOKING AT THE SECOND ONE FOR THIS ONE, BUT HE SAID HE DIDN'T YOU MEAN IN THIS, IN THIS RENDERING, UH, FRONT.
SO YEAH, I MEAN IT WOULD BE, UH, OH FINE FRONT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHERE THE CHANGES HAPPEN WITH THE FRONT RESET.
UM, THE FRONT IS MORE WINNETKA HEIGHTS IS OR BEEN STREAMLINED MORE LIKE THE ORIGINAL ONES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I GUESS IT COMES DOWN TO THE ARCHITECTS ON THE COMMISSION FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING KIND OF A, A REVISION AT THIS DATE.
UM, UM, I HAVE HAVE ONE QUESTION THAT MM-HMM
THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF ROOT FLAG ON THIS.
THERE'S A LOT OF ROOT FLIES EXPECTED VISUAL THREE GABLES FROM THE FRONT IS BEAUTIFUL, BUT PERHAPS IT'S TOO MUCH FOR WINNETKA HEIGHTS AND I, MARCUS SHOWED ME A PICTURE OF ONE WHERE THE, THE REAR MOST OF THOSE THREE GABLES WAS GONE.
I WOULD THINK THE MIDDLE GABLE IS THE ONE THAT WOULD, IF IT DISAPPEARED, MAKE THIS A LITTLE LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE THINGS IN WINKA HEIGHTS.
WE ORIGINALLY HAD JUST TWO CABLES ON THE LOWER LEVEL.
DO YOU HAVE THAT ELEVATION ON YOUR COMPUTER OR, UH, YES, I DID THAT OF THE TWO GABLE VERSION.
ALSO IN THIS, UH, PICTURE OF MINE HOUSE ON THE TOP LEFT, YOU'LL SEE WE HAVE FOUR GABLES AS WELL.
YEAH, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE RANGE DIFFERENTLY.
YEAH, THEY'RE RANGE A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
THE OTHER HALF, YOU KNOW, HAS THREE.
YEAH, WE, WE HAD TWO ORIGINALLY.
UM, LET PULL THAT UP REAL QUICK.
UM, I'M ABLE TO RIGHT NOW I'M JUST GONNA SHARE MY SCREEN INSTEAD, SO.
OH NO, THAT'S THE RE THAT'S THE RESUBMISSION, RIGHT? MM-HMM
UM, LET ME, LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN.
I HAVE A, UM, I JUST, THERE IT'S, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE TWO GABLE VERSION AS OPPOSED TO THE THREE? YEAH, WE ADDED THE THIRD GABLE AS A, UH, A RESPONSIBLE RESPONSE TO THE TASK FORCE, WHICH I, AFTER FIRST I, UM, THAT'S OKAY.
AFTER I THOUGHT ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT, I WAS LIKE, OKAY, I GET WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
THEY WANTED TO, UM, LITTLE MORE OF THAT.
UM, THE HORIZONTAL SIDING ON THE SECOND LEVEL THEY WANTED TO KIND OF KILL SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE LARGER MODEL THERE.
UM, AND IT ALSO HELPED US DOCK, UM, OUR, UH, GABLE ON THE SIDE FOR PROBLEM
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HAVE TROUBLE WITH.AND SO THAT, SO PART OF THE WAY THEY DEALT WITH THAT WAS THAT OTHER FRONT FACING GABLE.
WHAT I'M WONDERING IS, DO YOU BRING BACK THAT ONE YOU TOOK OUT AND GET RID OF? MAYBE THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S EXTRA.
IT LOOKS A LITTLE STRANGE TO SIDE TOO.
WE, WE DIDN'T SPEND AS MUCH MONEY ON EXTRA ROOFS.
SO IS THAT A SOMETHING THAT YOU AND MR. CUMMINGS WOULD CONSIDER IS HAVING THE BIG ONE IN BACK, THE LOW ONE IN FRONT BUT NOT HAVING THAT MIDDLE ONE? THAT'S I THINK WE WISH I WANTED TO.
UM, I THINK IT'LL, UH, THAT OTHER ONE IS JUST SO YOU KNOW.
UM, AND I'LL START, DO YOU MIND IF I SHARE ONE MORE TIME JUST TO SHOW, UM, JUST, UH, HERE IS THAT, UH, SO IT IS LARGER SO IT'LL BE THE MOST PRONOUNCED GABLE.
UH, IS THIS NOT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SHOW US? UH, OH, ACTUALLY, HOLD ON.
SO IT'LL JUST, IT'LL BE THE MOST, IT'LL BE THE BIGGEST GAME.
30 PEOPLE JUST TO HIDE KIND OF.
AND THAT'S JUST ME AS MY IDEA.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE LIKES IT, BUT THAT WAS MY IDEA.
UM, AND I'M STILL WAITING BECAUSE I FIGURED YOU HAD TIME TO THINK OF OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ALL I SAID FOR MATERIALS ON THE, ON THE FRONT YOU HAVE VANS OF SHINGLES AND THEN ABOVE THAT IS LAP SIDING AND THE, AND THE GABLES.
IS THAT RIGHT? THE THE LIGHT, THE LIGHT TAN SHINGLE AND THEN YOU HAVE YEAH.
ONE BY YOUR, BY 10, UH, FREEZE FACIA.
I, I MUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR PERSEVERANCE AND FOR YOUR PATIENCE BECAUSE THIS ISN'T EASY TO DO.
A GRAND HOUSE EXCITED VOICE, A STRONG CAPACITY, AND THEN TRYING TO SIMPLIFY INSTEAD OF SIMPLIFY IT DOWN.
I THINK YOU DID A REALLY GOOD JOB.
I I'M VERY IMPRESSED WITH WHAT YOU CAME UP WITH WITH TODAY.
IT, THIS GUYS MUCH BETTER AND IT'S A LITTLE MORE VERNACULAR AND I CAN GET THOSE DRAWINGS TO SOON AS POSSIBLE.
COUPLE DAYS ELEVATIONS, I, EITHER OF THE ELEVATIONS WOULD NEED TO COME BACK FOR A FINAL OR Y'ALL WILL HAVE TO PUT YOUR TRUST IN ME THAT THE ELEVATIONS WOULD, WOULD, WOULD FIT THESE RENDERINGS.
Y'ALL, WE COULD ALL DROP BY JUST THERE'S, THERE'S NO BURNING WITCHES.
IT IS BURNING DIFFERENT, WE NEVER BORN ANY APPLICANT THAT PRIME RECORD OF, OF LOVE.
ALRIGHT, ARE THERE, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON IN THIS HOUSE.
DOES NO ONE HAVE ANY OTHER ASPECTS THAT FEEL WORTHY OF A QUESTION TO BE OR S BE DIFFERENT THAN IT PRESENTED TO US SO FAR? ANYBODY AT HOME? MR. GELMAN? YEAH.
UH, CHIMNEY IS RIGHT AT THE HEIGHT.
DID YOU, UH, CONSIDER LIFTING THAT HIGHER? WE DID AND I DIDN'T CATCH THAT UNTIL, UH, UH, THE ARCHITECT AGAIN WAS TRYING TO MAKE A CHANGE.
THEY LIKE, OH, IT'S TOO SKINNY, TALL AND PENCIL LOOKING THIS, AND I WAS LIKE, AND HE MENTIONED IT.
YOU KNOW? AND SO CHRIS TYPICALLY WON'T DO ANYTHING THAT'S APART FROM, BECAUSE I I JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S A DISTANCE ISSUE.
DO BECAUSE DID HE HAVE THE DISTANCE UNDER, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
CIRCULATION MIGHT NEED TO BE BRACED OR SOMETHING.
ONE, ONE THING THAT I SUGGESTED AT TASK FORCE WAS, YOU KNOW, A CONDITION TO THE EFFECT OF THE, THE SHORTEST ALLOWED BY CODE.
YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
I, I JUST WANTED TO ADD, I I DO AGREE WITH YOUR, UH, BOTH LOCATION OF THE FIREPLACE HIGH, BUT, BUT I WOULD, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME I'D EVER SEEN THEM, THEY'RE ON, UH, OUTSIDE RATHER THAN INTERIOR.
A AND THEN IT THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
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YOU THINK WE MUST ADDRESS? 'CAUSE IF NOT, THEN IT'S TIME FOR SOMEONE TO DECIDE WHAT MOTION SHOULD BE MADE IN THIS.A A REAL QUICK COMMENT IS HOW MANY PAINT COLORS YOU HAVE? THREE.
IT'S KIND OF A FOURTH COLOR, BUT NOT PAINT.
HOW MANY COLORS ARE ALLOWED? WELL, THREE OR FOUR.
UM, WE HAD A WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AND I FORGOT HOW IT CAME OUT THAT THEY FIGURED THAT THIS LIKE A STAINED DOOR OR A NATURAL WOOD DOESN'T COUNT.
SO THE, SO THE, THE NATURAL SHINGLES WOULDN'T BE COVERED, RIGHT? SO THERE'S SO ONLY THREE PINK COLORS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T GOING TOO FAR FROM AND IS THAT A LIKE BEAM? WE HAVE THE, YEAH WE HAVE THE COLORS HAVE A VERREE.
OH YOU HAVE B YOU HAVE HOW GOOD.
IT'S GOOD TO SEE IN REAL LIFE.
ACTUAL THAT'S MUCH EASIER THAN THAT TO SEE.
REALLY HARD TO SEE ON THE SCREEN.
THE BODY IS WHICH ONE? YEAH, WHICH ONE'S THE BODY? THE DARK GREEN.
LIGHTS MAKE PLAY WITH YOUR EYES A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT LOOKS KINDA LIKE VER GREEN, WHICH IS NOT A FULL IT'S COLORS IN SAMPLES.
IT LOOKS VERY CANDY ISH ON HERE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S REALLY IS.
SO LOOK AT THESE GIANT SAMPLES.
DID YOU BRING US A SHINGLE AS WELL? SO
WHAT IS THE YELLOW ALMOST? WHAT'S THE YELLOW ONE? YEAH, IT'S DOWN.
SO THIS IS ONE LOOKS GREEN? YES.
AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT LOOKS KIND OF VERY GREEN.
REALLY? YEAH, THIS IS, IT'S GOOD YOU BROUGHT THOSE 'CAUSE THAT CLARIFI.
DID I SEE YOU GETTING AGREE TO MAKE THE MOTION MR. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO WITH IT.
I THAT'S THE LOOK ON YOUR FACE THAT I THOUGHT I READ USING MY PEOPLE SKILLS,
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS WHICH NOT CRITERIA, BUT SET UP
SO SO IS THIS THE DRAWINGS HAVE A DATE ON IT? YES.
AND ACTUALLY OUR DATE AT THE TOP, ARE YOU TRYING FOR AN APPROVAL? OKAY.
WHAT YOU CAN DO IS USE MY, OR THEY EVEN SAY LANDMARK RECOMMENDATIONS.
THESE DRAWINGS OFFICIALLY THEY SUBMITTED TO YOU.
YOU WELL AS LONG AS IT CAN EVEN BE SOMETHING.
UM, AS FAR AS LIKE, UH, DRAWINGS SUBMITTED TO THE COMMISSION ON 1 6 24 25.
YEAH, SO YOU CAN JUST REFER TO THAT.
THEY WERE SO MEANING THAT ONCE WE SAW TODAY APPEAR NOT EVEN THOUGH THEY STILL HAVE TO BE UPDATED.
UH, ACCOUNT TEACH, CORRECT? CORRECT.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE APPROVING THESE, BUT YOU'RE GONNA ALSO PROBABLY ALLOW STAFF TO, TO FINISH, YOU'RE GONNA DO THESE AND THEN PUT YOUR CONDITIONS ON IT.
YOU KNOW, THEY STARTING WITH THIS AND WITH THE QUALITY CONDITIONS.
SO YOU USE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT THE DRAWINGS FROM TODAY WITH REVISIONS THAT ARE COMING, RIGHT? DON'T SAY THE RECOMMENDATION, JUST, JUST READ IT.
BUT THESE DRAWINGS, UM, AND THEN ALSO AS ONE OF YOUR CONDITIONS PLEASE JUST SAY THAT YOU'RE, I GUESS I'M NOT, I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT I GUESS YOU'RE ALLOWING STAFF TO SIGN OFF ON THE FINAL.
SHOULD
I NEVER HAS TO KNOW HOW WE VOTED.
NO ONE WANTS TO KNOW, BUT IF THEY WERE CURIOUS THEY'D NEED TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE PROCESS BY WE DID IT.
YEAH, IT IS BE WHOLE SPECIAL MEETING JUST SO WE CAN VOTE.
ONE THING I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA DO THAT STAFF DOES NOT LOOK EXCITED, SO, BUT THE CONDITIONS ARE GONNA BE SO WELL
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DESCRIBED THAT WE CAN COUNT ON STAFF TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE MEAN.I CAN'T SAY THAT'S WHY WE ARE WAITING FOR RENO TO CAREFULLY CONSIDER WRITING CAREFULLY POPCORN, UM, REGARDING UH, 1 0 6 SOUTH EDGEFIELD AVENUE, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS CA 2 45 DASH 1 54 AND W THAT WE APPROVE, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DRAWING SPECIFIED, UH, ON ONE SIX 2025, UM, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT UM, THE CENTRAL GABLE ON THE GROUND LEVEL ELEVATION BE REMOVED AND THAT, UM, STAFF WILL, UH, OR THOSE DRAWINGS THAT CHANGE WILL BE RESUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR THEIR FINAL APPROVAL.
SECOND, MAKE THE MOTION SECOND.
OH, COMMISSIONER PRE WAS THE SECOND COMMISSIONER.
RENO WAS THE ONE WHO MADE THE MOTION.
UM, DID WE ALSO NEED TO INCLUDE THE, THE STAFF LIST COMMISSION ABOUT THE MUSLIM DOORS SO THAT THEY BE ALL WOOD INSIDE AND OUT WITH EXPRESSED MUS AND NO PLAING? IT'S A STANDARD CONDITION I PUT.
AND THE SECOND APPROVES OF THIS I APPROVE.
I KNEW YOU WOULD COMMISSIONER IT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD ONE.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? TWO.
ALRIGHT THEN WE ARE READY FOR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
I'M SURE IT WILL BE A LOVELY HOUSE.
INVITE US TO SEE IT WHEN YOU'RE DONE.
NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
NO AUTHORITY TO NEXT YEAR WHEN, OKAY, SO I ALL TO SEE YOU, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE, I HOPE YOU, YOU ENJOY IT SIR.
MS. HARVEY, HE'S KIND OF GOING IN AND OUT.
UM, THE ONLY ONE WHO COULD POSSIBLY HELP HIM IS ADRIAN AND, AND OR IT'S HIS INTERNET.
IT'S KNOW PROBABLY HIS, HE SAID SEE BETTER THAN EARLIER, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF STATIC.
YEAH, IT COULD BE WITH HIS COMPUTER OR HIS INTRANET.
MAYBE THE WIND DID SOMETHING TO HIS LINE.
THERE'S NO TELLING SO PLEASE LET HIM KNOW THAT WE CAN'T HELP.
HE'S RESPONDED AND SEE WHAT HE HAS TO SAY.
SHE'S TAKEN COMPUTER BUT UH, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN HAS RETURNED TO US FROM HER.
SORRY WE MISSED HER VERY MUCH SO SHE CAN TALK ABOUT WINNETKA HEIGHTS.
ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP WE HAVE DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.
ITEM NUMBER D SEVEN IS TWO 18 NORTH WILLAMETTE AVENUE IN WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 45 DASH 1 56 AND W AND I'M MARCUS WATSON PRESENTING REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE THE EXISTING CONCRETE PORCH AND REPLACE WITH A WIDTH FRAME PORCH AND TONGUE AND GROOVE FLOORING.
REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE NON HISTORIC METAL COLUMNS WITH WOOD BOX COLUMNS PER SUBMITTED PLANS AND ELEVATIONS REQUEST NUMBER THREE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE CONCRETE STEPS AND REPLACE WITH NEW CONCRETE STEPS IN FRONT OF THE MAIN DOOR.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL CONCRETE STEPS AT AT THE SOUTH END OF THE FRONT PORCH TO THE DRIVEWAY AND AT THE BACK DOOR.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A BRUSH FINISH CONCRETE WALKWAY APPROACH IN THE FRONT YARD TO THE FRONT DOOR AND NEW STEPS.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL TWO CEILING PENDANT LIGHTS ON THE FRONT PORCH.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL WINDOWS WITH WOOD ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS PER ELEVATIONS AND SUBMIT AND SPECIFICATIONS SUBMITTED A, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RECONFIGURE REAR FACADE PER TO RECONFIGURE REAR FACADE DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS SUBMITTED.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL
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A NEW REAR DOOR.A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A NEW LIGHT FIXTURE BY THE REAR DOOR.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE THE EXISTING CONCRETE PORCH AND REPLACE IT WITH A WOOD FRAME PORCH AND TONGUE AND GROOVE FLOORING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 9 24.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 51 P DASH 87 1 11 A THREE AND 11 REMAINING ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS AS AND PORCHES THE STANDARDS AT CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 6 C ROMAN AT TWO FOR CON FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD TWO THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE NON HISTORIC METAL COLUMNS WITH WOOD BOX COLUMNS FOR SUBMITTED PLANS AND ELEVATIONS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWING SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 9 24 AND IDENTIFIED AS OPTION A WITHOUT A RAILING WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT PHYSICAL EVIDENCE WAS DISCOVERED INDICATING THE PLACEMENT OF THE COLUMNS.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87 1 11 83 9 AND 11 PERTAINING TO ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL COLUMNS AND PORCHES.
THE STANDARDS OF CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO WERE NOT CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD THREE THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE FRONT CONCRETE STEPS AND REPLACE WITH NEW CONCRETE STEPS IN FRONT OF THE MAIN DOOR BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 9 24.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 51 B DASH 87.
TITLE ONE 11 A THREE AND 11 PERTAINING TO ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS AND PORCHES.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 B SIX C ONE TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD FOUR THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL CONCRETE STEPS AT THE SOUTH END OF THE FRONT PORCH TO THE DRIVEWAY AND AT THE BACK DOOR BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 9 24.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 51 P DASH 87 1 11 A THREE AND 11 PERTAINING TO ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS AND
LET ME START FIVE OVER THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE WALKWAY APPROACH IN THE FRONT YARD TO THE FRONT DOOR AND NEW STEPS APPROVED BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 9 24.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 51 B DASH 87 1 11 B NINE PERTAINING TO WALKWAYS THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING THE DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD SIX THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL TWO CEILING PENDANT LIGHTS ON THE FRONT PORCH BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 9 24.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 51 P DASH 87.1 11 D FOUR PERTAINING TO OUTDOOR LIGHTING THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROOM AT TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD SEVEN THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL WINDOWS WITH WOOD OVER ONE WOOD, ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS PER ELEVATIONS AND SPECIFICATIONS SUBMITTED BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 9 24 WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE WINDOWS BE WOOD INSIDE AND OUT WITH NO CLAM IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87 1 11 A 17 PERTAINING TO WINDOWS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.50 1D SIX C TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD EIGHT THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RECONFIGURE REAR FACADE PER TO RECONFIGURE REAR PADE REAR FACADE PER DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS SUBMITTED THE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 9 24 WITH A FINDING OF FACT THAT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE IS A SERIES OF LATER ADDITIONS TO THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
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87 1 11 82 3 AND 10 PERTAINING TO ADDITIONS, ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL AND FACADE MATERIALS.THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD NINE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A NEW REAR DOOR BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH JOHNSON SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 9 24.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 51 P DASH 87.1 11 A 17 PERTAINING TO DOORS THE SECRETARY, I MEAN THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C TWO FOR NON STRUCTURE AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND FINALLY NUMBER 10, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A NEW LIGHT FIXTURE BY THE REAR DOOR BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 9 24.
THE PREMISE WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87.1 11 B FOUR PERTAINING TO OUTDOOR LIGHTING, THE STANDARDS OF CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C 1 0 2 FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, REMOVE THE EXISTING CONCRETE PORCH AND REPLACE THE WOOD FRAME PORCH AND
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE NON HISTORIC METAL CALLS.
PUT BOX CALLS FOR SUBMITTED PLANS AND ELEVATIONS BE APPROVED.
NUMBER THREE, THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE FRONT CONCRETE STEPS AND REPLACE WITH NEW CONCRETE STEPS IN FRONT OF THE MAIN DOOR.
THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL CONCRETE STEPS TO THE SOUTH END OF THE FRONT PORCH OF THE DRIVEWAY.
AND THEN THE BACK DOOR PROVE MADE WIDER FROM COLUMN TO WALL, CONSIDERED HANDWRITTEN NUMBER FIVE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE WALKWAY APPROACH IN THE FRONT YARD TO THE FRONT DOOR AND NEW STEPS BE PROOF NUMBER SIX, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL TWO CEILING PINT LIGHTS ON THE FRONT PORCH TO BE APPROVED.
NUMBER SEVEN, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL WINDOWS WITH WOOD ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS PER ELEVATIONS AND SPECIFICATIONS SUBMITTED BE APPROVED.
NUMBER EIGHT, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RECONFIGURE ROOF FACADE FOR DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS SUBMITTED BE APPROVED.
NUMBER NINE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A NEW REAR DOOR BE APPROVED.
AND NUMBER 10, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A NEW LIGHT FIXTURE BY THE REAR DOOR BE APPROVED.
NOW WE HAVE, AGAIN, TWO SPEAKERS ON THIS, I PRESUME ONLINE.
WHO WOULD'VE THE FRONT PAGE FIRST? OKAY.
HELLO? HELLO, MA'AM, ARE YOU, UM, CAROL IBARRA? YES, I AM.
AND I THINK WE ONLY, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
I CAN'T HEAR HER TURN OFF THE VOLUME.
YEAH, IT'LL, OH, IT'LL BE LOUD FOR US.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? IT'S HER, IT'S HER LINE BECAUSE OKAY.
YOU KNOW, ALSO SAID SOMETHING.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE.
YOU ARE UNMUTED, CORRECT? YES, IT'S JUST SHE'S, I I CAN BARELY HEAR HER.
I THINK IT'S HER HEADSET PROBABLY.
CAN YOU TURN UP YOUR MICROPHONE IF YOU GO UNDER SETTING, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO TURN UP YOUR MICROPHONE.
OKAY, MA'AM, PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN AFFIRM AND SWEAR THAT YOU'LL TELL US THE TRUTH.
MY ADDRESS IS 56 0 2 FIREWOOD DRIVE IN ARLINGTON.
AND YES, I WILL TELL THE TRUTH.
OKAY, MA'AM, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO BEGIN AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR PART.
I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK JUST IN CASE THERE ARE QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, THEY HAVE JUST BEEN NOTIFIED ME WE CAN'T SEE YOU ANYMORE.
IT IS A STATE LAW THAT WE HAVE TO SEE YOU ALL THE TIME, SO WE'RE SURE IT'S REALLY YOU.
DO I NEED TO SAY WHO I AM AGAIN? NO, WE GOT THAT.
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OKAY.UM, I'M LESS NERVOUS THIS TIME, SO I PROMISE I DON'T FEEL LIKE THROWING UP.
UM,
UM, THROUGH MY RESEARCH, I ALSO ACTUALLY FOUND THAT THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1915, NOT 1929, AND OWNED BY THE KIRK FAMILY.
UM, SO REALLY THAT'S ABOUT ALL.
I JUST, I'M HERE IN CASE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
WE ALSO HAD A, A SPEAKER, UH, LAKEISHA GIBSON.
HELLO? UH, I'M ACTUALLY CAROL.
MY ADDRESS IS 36 27 PLUM VISTA, ARLINGTON, TEXAS.
AND I PROMISE TO BE TRUTHFUL AS WELL.
I, CAROL AND I ARE BUSINESS PARTNERS.
SO WE HAVE, UM, WORKED TOGETHER TO, UM, MAKE THE CHANGES AND ACCOMMODATIONS TO FIT, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE LAID BEFORE US.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED TO TELL US ABOUT OR ARE YOU JUST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS? JUST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WELL.
ALRIGHT, SO AGAIN, YOU ALSO HAVE TO STAY ON SCREEN SO WE MAKE SURE THAT THE VOICE MATCHES YOU AND THAT YOU'RE REALLY, YOU.
UM, MADAM CHAIR, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, I DO HAVE A MOTION.
SO WE MAY HAVE A MOTION READY ALREADY, BUT LET ME ASK IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE A QUESTION THEY WANT TO ASK BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION.
SO WE HAVE TWO VERSIONS, ONE WITH A RAIL AND ONE WITHOUT A RAIL.
IS THERE A PREFERRED VERSION? IT'S PREFERRED WITHOUT THE RAIL.
UM, THEY JUST WEREN'T SURE IF THEY, THEY SAID IF ON A RAIL THEY'LL BE OKAY.
IT IS NOW YOUR TURN TO MAKE YOUR MOTION.
IS THAT TRUE? SO I'LL PREFACE THE MOTION WITH, UM, THEN I'M VERY HAPPY TO MAKE THIS MOTION BECAUSE IT ILLUSTRATES HOW PATIENT'S TENACITY AND CAREFUL INTENTION IN DETAIL, UM, ACCOMPLISH THE MISSION OF THIS COMMISSION.
AND IN THIS CASE, IT IS SERVED TO ERADICATE A LONG TIME SUBSTANDARD PROPERTY.
AND WITH THAT ON BEHALF OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IN PARTICULAR, THE NEIGHBORS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY, WHO LONG ENDURED THIS CONDITION OF THE SUBSTANDARD PROPERTY, UH, IN THE MATTER OF T SEVEN C 2 4 5 DASH 1 56 MW, ALSO KNOWN AS TWO 18 NORTH WILLETTE AVENUE, I MOVE FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH SIX AND EIGHT THROUGH 10 AND APPROVAL WITH CONDITION ITEM SEVEN FOR THE REASONS STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE APPLICABLE PRESERVATION CRITERIA CITED AND THE PERTINENT SUB-CRITERIA INTERIOR STANDARD TO REFERENCE FOR TWO FINDINGS OF THAT.
ONE, THE PROPOSED WORK IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT.
AND TWO, THE ONSITE VISIT RECOMMENDED BY THIS COMMISSION AND PAINTED THE PROPERTY BY STAFF, COUPLED WITH A POSITIVE COOPERATIVE RELATIONSHIP POSTURE WITH THE APPLICANT, PROVE VITAL AND DETERMINING THE TYPE OF POSITION OF SEVERAL PEERS.
SECOND, OUR SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER ANDERSON TO COMMISSIONER SHERMAN MADE THE MOTION.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN MADE THE MOTION.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I SUBSTITUTE YOU.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY DISCUSSION? I CAN HEAR YOUR VOICE.
ALRIGHT, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I WAS FO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
SO LADIES, YOU MAY PROCEED WITH YOUR FANTASTIC PROJECT.
WE'VE ALREADY HEARD HOW DELIGHTED THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE.
CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU.
THANK YOU ALL EXPLICIT MOTION.
I, I KNOW REALLY WONDERFUL MOTION.
IT WAS, I COULD LISTEN TO THAT ALL DAY.
I NOT DOUBT IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN AS POETIC AS FIRST.
WE ARE NOW READY TO ADDRESS THREE THEN FOUR THAN FIVE.
THOSE DISCUSSION ITEMS FOR WHICH MR. TAYLOR, I DON'T KNOW IF HE EVER, HE IS ON RIGHT NOW.
I IF YOU WERE HERE HE'D BE RECUSING HIMSELF.
SO IF YOU'RE HERE, RECUSE YOURSELF, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.
UH, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER THREE.
OKAY, DISCUSSION ITEM D THREE.
RON DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE ACCEPTED ITEM, WELL THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CITED AT 1124 EAST NINTH STREET IN THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 4 5 DASH 180 1 RFD.
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THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT.A DUPLEX STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT.
A DUPLEX BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 12 26 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT FRONT FENESTRATION WINDOWS AND DOORS BE CENTERED BETWEEN THE CORRESPONDING PORCH COLUMNS.
TWO THAT SIDE EXTERIOR DOORS BEING RELOCATED TO THE REAR.
THREE THAT STEPS BE ADDED LEADING TO THE SIDE EXTERIOR DOORS.
UNIT FOUR THAT WINDOWS BE ALL WOOD IV, NO CLADDING WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION, ONE OVER ONE AND FIVE THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE OF BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION C PERTAINING TO SITE AND SITE ELEMENTS AND SECTION B UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ONE AT TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SET DISTRICT AND OR ENABLE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY NON-SUPPORTIVE FOLLOWING COMMENT.
APPLICANT DID NOT FOLLOW LANDMARK COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS PROVIDED DURING THE COURTESY INTERVIEW.
ALRIGHT, NOW THERE IS NO ONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE.
SO WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS TO LISTEN TO.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ONE A LOT EARLIER.
DOES STAFF HAVE ANY GOOD? UM, DO YOU TAKE NOTES OF WHAT WE WERE SAYING AND WE, YOU KNOW, REMIND US THOUGHTS WITH THEM? LET'S SEE.
OR SHALL YOU BEGIN TO DO THAT NOW? BECAUSE
WE TALKED ABOUT ADDING A STEEPER BOOTH.
UH, ALSO I THINK THERE WAS CONCERN THAT THE FREEZE BOARD WAS MISSING OVER THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS AND THAT, UH, THE FASCIA BOARD WAS NOT ON ALL FOUR ELEVATIONS.
I WANNA MAKE SURE, I KNOW MR. CUMMINGS CONTRIBUTED SOME THOUGHTS AND THEN HE'S GONE.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE IF WE STILL HAD THOSE LEFT, THEY WERE NO LONGER IN OUR BRAINS.
SO OTHER COMMENTS OR IDEAS THAT YOU WANT US TO ABOUT COMMISSIONERS THAT SOMEONE
I WOULD ALL THE PATIENT DETAILS ALL THE, UH, ROOF DETAILS BEING COPIED BECAUSE THE PHOTOGRAPH IS VERY WELL, UH, UM, EVIDENCE OF WHAT WAS THERE.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO NEED, UH, CORNER BOARDS, UM, FOR THE SIDING TO TERMINATE AND TO, YES, I REMEMBER WE SAID THAT ONE TOO.
AND UH, I THINK WE MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE TRIM AROUND THE WINDOW, BUT I DO SEE THAT FAINT VAN DRAWING.
I THINK THE TRIM ON THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS ARE A LITTLE WIMPY.
YEAH, IT SHOULDN'T BE A, WHAT MIGHT BE THE SUGGESTION OF WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE FINISHED? MAYBE A FOUR ORANGE INCH.
AND THEN I WOULD SUGGEST THE DOORS NOT BE WITHOUT LIGHT SHOWN EVEN THOUGH THOSE DEPICTED OF THE
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE ONES PROPOSED HERE TODAY FOR THE OTHER TWO PROPERTIES AND 2, 3, 5, 8.
THOSE CHANCES ARE THOSE DOORS WILL NOT SCHOOL.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER IDEAS WE MISSED, WHO WOULD REALLY LIKE TO MAKE, THERE'S JUST ON THAT SCREEN THAT SHANNON KEY SAYS SHE'S HERE.
UM, MS. KAYS, ARE YOU ON MINE?
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SHE BETTER BE JUST WATCHING.OH, I GOT THE, SHE'S TEXTING YES.
ADRIAN, CAN YOU HELP UNMUTE, UNMUTE HER.
SHE SHOULD BE, SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT NOW.
OH, SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT NOW.
SORRY I WAS TRYING TO
UM, SHANNON KEY 1409 JEAN, APARTMENT 5 0 3, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5.
I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH AS THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR 1124 EAST NINTH.
AND WERE YOU LISTENING MA'AM TO SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT? I WAS.
ALRIGHT, SO IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY IN RESPONSE TO OUR DISCUSSION? MM-HMM
AND ALSO IF WE HAVE ANY, UM, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ROOF PITCH NEEDING TO BE, TO BE, UM, STEEPER, WE CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS FOR THAT TO, UM, 10 TO 12, UM, RATHER THAN WHERE IT'S AT RIGHT NOW.
UM, OTHER THINGS MENTIONED, BUT ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT? I CAN DEFINITELY ANSWER IT.
I JUST KIND OF CAUGHT THOSE LAST TWO COMMENTS 'CAUSE I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET INTO THE, UM, TO GET INTO THE CHAT.
YEAH, WE, WE'VE HAD SOME, SOME DIFFICULTY WITH THE COMPUTERS TODAY TOO.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE WANTED TO DISCUSS WITH HER NOW THAT WE HAVE HER REASK? OKAY.
COMMISSIONER OW SAID THAT HE WANTED THAT KIND OF MATCHED THE ORIGINAL AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
WITH THE, THE ROOF EDGE DETAILS, PARTICULARLY THE RAKE ON THE FRONT GABLE.
SEE ALL THE CORNES DETAILS AROUND, UH, OR BASICALLY AROUND THE EDGES OF THE ROOF, THEY MATCH THE PHOTOGRAPH AS MUCH AS YES.
UM, WE TRIED TO MATCH AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE.
UM, INSTEAD OF DOING A, A REPLICA TO DO, UM, AS MUCH AS WE COULD, WE COULD NOT FIND ANY EXISTING DRAWINGS OR PLANS FOR THIS HOME, UM, FROM THE PREVIOUS BUILD.
SO WHAT WE BASICALLY HAD TO DO WAS MATCH AS MUCH AS WE COULD, UM, BASICALLY FROM THE PICTURES THAT WE WERE ABLE TO FIND, UM, VIA GOOGLE EARTH.
BUT AS GOING TO LOOK FOR THE PLANS AT THE COUNTY, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO, UM, THE PREVIOUS PLANS TO BE ABLE TO MATCH AS MUCH AS WE WOULD'VE LIKED.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS, IT APPEARS THAT YOU'RE PARTICULARLY ON THE MAIN GABLE, THAT THEY, YOUR RAFTERS ABOUT EIGHT BY TENS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY OUT OF SCALE WITH UM MM-HMM
WITH THE MARGIN, WITH THE EDGE OF THE ROOF.
SO THAT'S LIKELY A TWO BY SIX OR TWO BY 12 OR TWO BY FOUR MM-HMM
AND THERE'S ALSO A FREEZE, UM, UH, DETAIL RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE RAKE MM-HMM
SO IT'S A, A BOARD THAT'S PROBABLY EIGHT INCHES TO 10 INCHES IN DEPTH.
AND THAT DITCH JUST FOLLOWS THE, THE SHAPE OF THE, THE ROOF.
BUT IT'S ON THE PLANE OF THE MAIN PORTION OF THE HOUSE, NOT OUT ON THE RIGHT.
AND THERE WAS ALSO ONE QUESTION.
I HAD IT ON THE, THE WINDOW GABLE, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU, YOU PLACED A WINDOW IN THAT GABLE AND IT WAS MORE LIKELY A VENT.
I KNOW IN THE PHOTOGRAPH IT SHOWS AS IF IT'S JUST BEEN COMPLETELY COVERED.
UM, NO, THAT WAS A, UM, DESIGN CHOICE.
UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO CENTER THE WINDOWS BACK TO WHERE, UM, YOUR PREFERENCE IS FOR THEM TO BE PLACED.
WELL, THE QUESTION IS, WOULD IT BE A, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE FOR IT TO HAVE BEEN EVENT RATHER THAN A WINDOW UP IN THE GABLE.
UM, AND WHILE I'M, I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER, NOT THE ARCHITECT, SO I'M NOT BURSTED AS MUCH IN TECHNICAL TERMS AS I WOULD LIKE TO BE, BUT I CAN DEFINITELY MAKE A NOTE OF THAT SO I CAN DISCUSS WITH THE ARCHITECT TO UPDATE THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE? UH, WE, WE HAD MENTIONED THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S PLACED ON THE FRONT FACADE,
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THAT IT CENTERED SYMMETRICAL.IT MAY BE THE DRAWING THAT'S A LITTLE OFF, NOT, NOT ANYBODY'S ATTENTION.
YEAH, PROBABLY JUST THE DRAWING.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? BECAUSE IF NOT THEN WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION.
I'M STARING AT SOMEONE ELSE, BUT IT DIDN'T WORK.
SO
OTHERWISE KNOWN AS 1124 EAST NINTH STREET, THAT, UM, WE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
UM, FOLLOWING, LET'S SEE, SORRY, FOLLOWING WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON CONDITIONS THAT THE FRONT FENESTRATION WINDOWS AND DOORS BE CENTERED BETWEEN CORRESPONDING PORCH COLUMNS.
THAT THE SIDE EXTERIOR DOORS BE RELOCATED TO 50%, UH, OF THE SIDE ELEVATIONS THAT STEPS BE ADDED LEADING TO THOSE SIDE EXTERIOR DOORS.
ONE SET FOR EACH DWELLING UNIT THAT ALL WINDOW OR THAT WINDOWS, UM, BE ALL WOOD.
IN OTHER WORDS, NO CLADDING WITH, UM, LIGHT CONFIGURATION ONE OVER ONE.
AND THAT, UH, DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS STEPS BE BRUSHED FINISHED CONCRETE, UM, WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE, UM, ROOF SLOPE BE ADJUSTED TO EIGHT OR SORRY, UH, UH, 10 OVER 12.
UH, THAT THE RAKE AND UM, S SOCKET DETAILS BE ADJUSTED TO MATCH, UH, THE PHOTOGRAPHS, WHICH ARE ONE BY FOUR ON THE RAKE WITH A FREEZE OF A ONE BY, OR SORRY, TWO BY UH, FOUR, THE FREEZE BE ONE BY 10.
AND THAT THE PORCH DETAILS MATCH THE S SOCKET DETAILS ON THE MAIN ROOF AS WELL.
AND, UM, THAT THE TWO MAIN, TWO MAIN TWO FRONT DOORS, UH, HAVE A, UH, UH, LIGHT, UH, HORIZONTAL LIGHT AT THE TOP AND A WOOD PANEL BELOW THAT.
AND THEN THE, UH, DOOR MATCHED THE, UH, THE ONES INDICATED ON PAGE, UH, THREE 16 OF THE OH, OF THE AGENDA EITHER THREE 16 OR 3 39.
SO STAFF WILL HAVE TO SEND THAT PICTURE TO HER BECAUSE SHE HAS NO OTHER ACCESS TO OUR VACCINATION.
WHO, WHO MAKE THE MOTION? THAT WAS COMMISSIONER RENO.
WHAT CAN YOU HELP? MOTION? I SHALL LET YOU HAVE.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE'RE READY TO VOTE ON THIS MOTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
AND YOU OPPOSED? AND NO ONE IS OPPOSED.
UM, SO MS. KEY, ARE YOU READY TO GO ON THIS ONE? CAN WE THANK MS. KEY FOR INVESTING IN 10TH? LET US THANK MS. KEY FOR HER INVESTMENT IN INTENSE 10TH.
YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE DONE THAT YOURSELF.
SPEAK OF WHICH, LET'S MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS ON BETTER TO CIRCLE.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1131 BETTERTON CIRCLE IN THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 4 5 DASH 180 2 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VICTIM LOT.
RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT.
A DUPLEX BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED SWELL 26 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
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WINDOWS INDOORS BE CENTERED BETWEEN THE CORRESPONDING PORCH COLUMNS.THAT FRONT PORCH COLUMNS BE TWO PART BOX COLUMNS WITH BRICK BOTTOMS AND ALL WOOD TOPS.
THREE THAT WINDOWS BE ALL WOOD.
IE NO CLADDING BUT LIGHT CONFIGURATION.
ONE OVER ONE AND FOUR THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE A BRUSH FINISHED.
CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED FORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION C PERTAINING TO SITE AND SITE ELEMENTS AND SECTION B UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTED WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS.
FRONT PORCH COLUMN STYLE AND BRICK SKIRTING ARE NOT APPROPRIATE TO THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT REFERENCE TWO OH LAND STREET OR 10 26 BETTERTON CIRCLE FOR PROPER SKIRTING.
THERE'S A NOTE APPLICANT REVISED SKIRTING TO ADDRESS TASK FORCE PUBLICS.
UM, MS. KEY, ARE YOU STILL THERE? YES MA'AM, I'M HERE.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WISH TO ADD ABOUT THIS APPLICATION? NO, JUST THAT WE ARE UM, DEFINITELY WILLING TO ADJUST ALL THE BRICK TO WOOD, UM, TO ADHERE WITH WHAT NEEDS TO GO ON IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM LANDMARK COMMERS? NONE, NICOLE.
IS THERE A MOTION FROM A LANDMARK RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROOM'S BEEN DOING ALL THE WORK AND ONLINE? NO, IT'S NOT FIVE
I, I DON'T REMEMBER WHO IT WAS THAT BROUGHT IT UP, BUT THIS WAS THE HOUSE WHERE THERE WAS A DISCUSSION EARLIER ABOUT IT BEING ARTIFICIALLY.
YOU COULD HAVE BEEN THE ONE THAT WAS TOO TALL FOUND.
IS THAT ONE YOU AS WELL? IS THAT THIS ONE? UH, THE HEIGHT OF THE RAILING, THAT WAS THE, IT WAS IN THE OTHER, IT'S ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE WINDOWS? NO, IT'S THE, IT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE FOUNDATION ITSELF.
THE FLOOR ELEVATION RELATIVE TO THE GROUND.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S AREN'T OFFICIALLY HIGH.
UM, THE BUILDING, THE FRONT SETBACK HAS THE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, UM, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S ANGLED.
THE FRONTAGE OF THE, OF THE LOT IS ANGLED AND THE CORNER.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT APPEARS TO BE, UM, HIGHER THAN IT IS.
IT'S DUE TO THE, UM, DUE TO THE, UM, SETBACK.
WOULD YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT THE, THE, THE, UH, THE SMALLEST ELEVATION IS? IN OTHER WORDS, SAY FOR INSTANCE, IF ALL FOUR CORNERS HAVE DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS, WHICH ONE IS THE LOWEST AND WHAT IS THAT NUMBER? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT I CAN AND SEND IT OVER TO STAFF.
'CAUSE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS AVOID YOU HAVING TO BUILD SO MUCH FOUNDATION, UM MM-HMM
AND AVOID HAVING TO ADD ANY HANDRAILS ON THE FRONT PORCH.
UM, WHAT, JUST THE DEEPER HANDRAIL KICK IN 30 INCHES.
SO IF IT WAS EVEN A LITTLE UNDER 30, YOU WOULDN'T NEED A HANDRAIL.
SO MS. KEY, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT WOULD BE, WOULD THAT BE A CONSIDERATION YOU'D BE OPEN TO, TO LOWERING YOUR FRONT FOUNDATION HEIGHT TO 29 AND A HALF INCHES SO THAT YOU DID NOT NEED A HANDRAIL ON THE PORCH? YES, DEFINITELY.
I LOOK BETTER WITH THINKING MORE COMPATIBLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO NOT HAVE SO MUCH HANDRAIL.
SO I, IF I'M OR LESS, YOU COULD MAKE IT LOWER IF YOU WANTED.
I WAS JUST PICKING THE FOUNDATION HEIGHT HAS SHOWN TO BE CONSISTENTLY HIGH BECAUSE IT'S AFFECT THOSE, THE GROUND AND SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE THAT.
IT'S JUST GONNA SIT INTO THE YEAH, I GUESS
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NOBODY KNOWS AT THIS POINT UNTIL SHE CAN GET US MORE INFORMATION.AND I WROTE THAT NOTE DOWN SO THAT I CAN GO OVER WITH THE ARCHITECT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THAT WE CAN MAKE IT, UM, 29 AND A HALF AND THAT THAT DOESN'T AFFECT ANYTHING WITH THE ELEVATION SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE HANDRAILS.
SO I DO HAVE THAT WRITTEN DOWN TO MAKE SURE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I DISCUSS.
SORRY, I ALSO HAD SOME QUESTIONS ON THE, THE DRAL GANG OF THE WINDOWS.
UH, IN EACH OF THE, THE LIVING ROOMS, UM, WE WERE THINKING THAT A DOUBLE GANG IS MORE TYPICALLY, UH, FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD RATHER THAN THE TRIPLE.
YOU COULD TAKE THAT THIRD WINDOW AND PUT IT ON THE, THE OPPOSITE ON THE SIDE ELEVATIONS RATHER THAN ON THE FRONT.
AND YOU SAID JUST ON THE SIDE ELEVATION OR ON THE FRONTAGE AS WELL? SO ON THE FRONT, IN EACH UNIT YOU HAVE, UH, A TRIPLE GANG WINDOW ON EITHER SIDE.
AND WHAT WE'RE HOPING IS THAT THAT COULD BE A DOUBLE GANG INSTEAD OF A TRIPLE.
AND YOU CAN TAKE THAT THIRD WINDOW AND PUT IT ON THE SIDE ELEVATION.
SO YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF NATURAL LIGHT IN THE ROOM.
TAKE THIRD AND PUT IT ON INSIDE.
YOU COULD PUT THEM ON EITHER SIDE OF THE LIVING ROOM IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN.
IS THAT IT? COMMISSIONER RENO OR
I WAS WONDERING WHY THERE'S A DIFFERENT SLOPE ON IT THAN THERE IS ON THE, THE MAIN PART OF THE ROOF.
I THINK YOU WENT, IT SAYS SIX AND 12 THERE AND IT'S SEVEN AND 12 ON THE REST.
UM, I BELIEVE IT HAS TO DO WITH THE ROOF LINE.
THE, UM, UM, THE FRONT SETBACK LINE? UH, NO.
WELL IT SHOULDN'T 'CAUSE IT'S A, IT'S JUST A DORMER THAT'S ON THE TOP, UH, PORTION OF THE, THE HIP ROAD.
IT, IT WOULDN'T BE PROJECTING PAST THE, THE PROPERTY LINE OR THE BUILD TO LINE.
AND WOULD YOU LIKE THAT TO BE, UM, PULLED IN? NO, JUST MATCH.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE FLATTER THAN THE, THAN THE REST OF THE ROOM.
THE LAST ONE IS, UM, THE WIDTH OF THE STEPS SEEM OVERSCALED FOR THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
I KNOW YOU WERE TRYING TO ALIGN THEM WITH THE FRONT DOORS, BUT, UM, SEEMS LIKE PROBABLY SIX FEET WOULD BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE SCALE.
I THINK WE'VE GOT CLOSE TO 11 OR SO NOW.
SO YOU SAID TO UM, PULL IN IT BY HOW MANY FEET? UH, THE TOTAL OF SIX, SIX FEET WIDE.
SO THAT WE WOULD, YEAH, TOTAL.
I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION IF I CAN GET A LITTLE ASSISTANCE.
WELL, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION I WANT TO CLARIFY.
AND I'LL, I'LL WAIT WITH MS. KEY, UM, LOOKING AT A DRAWING OF THE SIDE OF THIS HOUSE, I'M NOT SEEING ANY SLOPE TO THE GROUND.
IS IT ON A LEVEL? WA SURE IT'S NOT THAT LEVEL BIT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE FOUNDATION IN FRONT AND SOME OF THAT WOULD BE GOVERNED BY WHETHER IT'S SLOPES IN THE BACK, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SLOPE IS, ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE WE CAN'T SEE IT.
AND I THINK JUST NOT SHOWING THE WHOLE BUSINESS GONNA NESTLE IN.
I KNOW, BUT MY POINT IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE S SLOPE IS.
I KNOW
SO IF THAT'S ACCURATE THEN OUR SUGGESTION ABOUT THE FRONT WILL WORK WITH NO DIFFICULTY.
AND I, UM, PLAN ON GETTING THAT, UM, SEEING WHAT THE SLOPE, UM, HEIGHT IS FROM THE, AND I WAS GONNA SEND THAT TO DR. DUNN AS SOON AS I GOT THAT INFORMATION BACK.
SO WE CAN GO TO STAFF AS WELL AS YOU GUYS.
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IT WOULD HELP US WITH, WITH WORDING OUR EXPECTATION ABOUT THE FOUNDATION TODAY.IF WE KNEW, HAVE YOU EVER WALKED ALONG THAT SITE AS YOU WALKED TO THE FRONT TO THE BACK? WAS IT A NOTICEABLE HILL OR JUST A TINY ONE THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY TROUBLE CLIMBING? I WOULD SAY IT'S A LITTLE NOTICEABLE.
SO IT MAY BE MORE THAN WE'RE THINKING THIS.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'VE HAD AS MUCH INFORMATION AS IS AVAILABLE.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? I HAVE REQUEST COMMISSIONER MR. UH, COMMISSIONER ELL.
UM, I THINK IT'S INFORMATION ON THE, UM, DIMENSIONS I GUESS OF THE DORMER OVERHANG.
IS THAT, WAS THAT ONE OF YOUR IT'S JUST ON THE SLOPE.
SEVEN AND 12 TO MATCH THE MANUAL OF DORM.
AND, UH, CASE CA 2 45 DASH 180 2 RG RD OTHERWISE AS 1 11 31 BED CIRCLE FOLLOWING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE CHANGES THAT THE FOUNDATION HEIGHT AT FRONT BE LESS THAN 30 INCHES.
SO A HAND WILL NOT BE NECESSARY.
ONE WINDOW ON EACH OF THE TRIPLE WINDOWS ON FRONT SHOULD BE MOVED TO THE SIDE, THE SLOPE OF THE DORMER TO BE SEVEN 12.
THE WIDTH OF THE STEPS TO BE SIX INCH OR SIX FOOT WIDE.
IS THAT THE GIST OF IT? THAT'S THE MOTION.
WHO WAS SECONDED? COMMISSIONER FOGLEMAN HAS SECONDED.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A COMMENT JUST TO CLARIFY FOR MR. COMMISSIONER RENO, I'M LOOKING AT THE PLANS AND THE 11, I THINK IT'S 11, THE WIDTH OF THE STEPS.
AND I'M LOOKING NOW HOW THEY KIND OF EXCEED THE DOORS, THE TWO, TWO FRONT DOORS AND THE TWO REAR DOORS.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE, YOU'RE THINKING THAT THEY'RE TOO WIDE AND TO BRING THEM IN TO SIX AND JUST BE SYMMETRICAL WITH THE TWO OPENING DOORS ON THE FRONT AND THE REAR? IT WOULD, SO THE REAR CAN BE, 'CAUSE THE REAR DOESN'T, UH, AFFECT THE, UH, THE FRONT APPEARANCE FROM THE STREET.
THAT'S WHY I WAS PROPOSING JUST TO NARROW THE FRONT ONES.
I MEAN I KNOW THEY, THEY WOULD OVERLAP THE DOORS IF WE WENT TO SIX 'CAUSE THE DOORS ARE LIKELY EACH THREE FEET.
SO EIGHT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE? YEAH.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING BECAUSE OF THE, JUST BEING SYMMETRICAL A LITTLE BIT.
YOU THINK SIX OR EIGHT? EIGHT.
SO WE ARE MAKING AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE MOTION.
THE WIDTH OF THIS FRONT STAIRS WOULD TO BE EIGHT FOOT WIDE AND SECOND DEGREES.
SO WE ARE READY TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT FAR.
ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT BEFORE WE GO ON THIS MOTION? SORRY, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
UM, DID YOU MENTION THAT THE FRONT TWO WINDOWS BEING GANGED RIGHT.
AND THAT WHAT I SAID WAS ONE WINDOW ON EACH OF THE TRIPLE WINDOWS WE MOVED TO THE SIDE.
RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE THREE AND THEN YOU HAVE TWO AND ONE ON EACH SIDE.
YOU HAVE TWO IN THE FRONT AND THEN THE THIRD WINDOW GOES TO THE SIDE.
AND YOU MEANT THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE? NOT OVER THE WHOLE SIDE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE SAYING IT.
WELL I COULD SAY, SAY THE SIDE SAID SIDE.
SO, BUT YOU MEANT AROUND AND THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
I'LL SAY, I'LL SAY SIDE FACADE.
THAT, THAT SOUNDS VERY OFFICIAL AND SPECIFIC.
ALRIGHT THEN I GUESS WE'RE READY TO CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MO MOSES MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
ONCE AGAIN, MS. KEITH, CONGRATULATIONS.
HAVE ONE MORE FOR YOU? MM-HMM
WE'LL GO ON NOW TO TWO 18 LAND DISTRICT.
RHONDA DUNN AGAIN PRESENTING DISCUSSION ITEM D FIVE.
SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT TWO 18 LAND STREET OVER 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
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DASH 1 8 0 RE.THE REQUEST IS FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT.
A DUPLEX STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS AS FOLLOWS, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT, A DUPLEX BE APPROVED ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 12 26 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT WINDOWS BE ALL WOOD, IE NO PLATING WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION.
THAT HORIZONTAL FIBER CEMENT BOARD, FOR EXAMPLE, JAMES PARTY BOARD BE USED FOR SKIRTING ONLY ON ALL ELEVATIONS.
AND THREE, THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BEING BRUSH FINISHED.
CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION C PERTAINING TO SITE AND SITE ELEMENTS AND SECTION B UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501, SUBJECT TO G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY NON-SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS.
APPLICANT DID NOT FOLLOW LANDMARK COMMISSION'S.
RECOMMENDATIONS PROVIDED DURING COURTESY REVIEW AND FRONT PORCH COLUMN STYLE IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
10 STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT, THERE'S A NOTE APPLICANT ALTERED FRONT PORCH, CALM STYLE TO ADDRESS TASK FORCE.
ALL RIGHT, UH, MS. KEY, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WISH TO TELL US ABOUT THIS PROJECT? UM, NO MA'AM.
JUST IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS OR ANY CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO ADHERE TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO MAKE.
LET'S SEE WHAT ANYBODY HAS TO SAY.
I BELIEVE WE DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT ARE THOSE CALLS? ARE THEY TWO PIECES OF WOOD AND WHAT ARE THEIR DIMENSIONS? YOU KNOW, OR I DO.
SO THE UPPER AND LOWER PART, THE FATTER PART, THE BOTTOM OF THE SKINNIER SHAFT PART ARE BOTH WOOD.
WHAT ARE THE DIMENSIONS? HOW MUCH BIGGER IS THE BASE THAN THE SHAFT PART? IT LOOKS KIND OF SMALL IN MY NOTES.
LEMME SEE IF I HAVE THE DIMENSIONS ON, UM, THE NOTES RIGHT HERE.
I DON'T SEE THEM ON THESE DRAWINGS UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE CAN FIND THEM PUBLIC.
I'M LOOKING AT THE ONES WE SUBMITTED ON THE 28TH TO SEE IF THEY WERE POSSIBLY ON THERE.
UM, NO, I DON'T SEE THE DIMENSIONS OF THE, OF THE, UM, BOTTOM PART OF THE OKAY.
THE THING IS IS THAT THEY LOOK, I AND I, MAYBE I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO SAY THEY LOOK LIKE THIS.
ARE THEY THE RIGHT PROPORTIONS? DO WE THINK COMMISSIONER RENO, THE COLUMNS, THE, THE BASE AND THE TOP PART ISN'T THE BASE, BUT I THINK THAT'S SORT OF ELEGANT.
I MEAN, IT SEEMS YOU LIKE THAT.
YEAH, I THINK IT, I THINK KIND OF WORKS IS KIND OF UNUSUAL AND SPECIAL.
ANYBODY ELSE? I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS.
I THIS MAY ALSO NEED TO HAVE A ONE BY FOUR CORNER BOARDS AND ONE OF YOUR CASING.
AND SHOULD THE, UM, HAVE A VENT IN
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THE GABLE WINDOWS OF THE VENT IN THE TOP OF THE GABLE WINDOW? WELL, I KNOW OUR CORNER BOARDS ARE TWO BY FOUR RIGHT NOW.YOU SAID THEY NEED TO BE ONE BY FOUR.
NO, SHE SAID THEY'RE TWO BY FOUR.
NO, BUT THE CORNER BOARD, THE, THAT WOULD BE THE MM-HMM.
EXTERIOR THAT KIND OF COVER WHEN THE SIDING COMES TOGETHER AT THE CORNER, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THERE AT ALL.
IT SAYS THAT ALL OF THE CORNER BOARDS ARE, UM, TWO BY FOUR TRIM BOARDS.
BUT WERE YOU SAYING THAT THEY NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED OR YOU'RE JUST SAYING THAT YOU DON'T SEE THEM IN THE PLANS? A CORNER BOARD IS A ONE BY ONE BY FOUR.
YOU MIGHT BE TALKING TWO BY FOURS ARE FOR THE STRUCTURE, THE CORNER STRUCTURE.
I'M TALKING ABOUT AN EXTERIOR, UH, TRIM BOARD THAT GOES AROUND ALL THE WINDOWS AND DOORS.
AND AT THE CORNER, THEY, YOU MEET AT THE CORNER TO COVER THE, WITH THE SIGNING BEATS.
THOSE ARE CALLED CORNER BOARDS.
AND THEY SHOULD BE A ONE BY FOUR CORNER BOARDS AND ONE BY FOUR ON ALL THE WINDOWS AND DOORS.
AND PROBABLY THAT CENTER, UM, GABLE WINDOW SHOULD BE A VENT.
SO ALL TRIM CORNER BOARDS SHOULD BE ONE BY FOUR.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY, OKAY, I HAVE THAT DOWN.
UH, THERE'S ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT RIGHT NOW.
UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT OR THE FRONT COLUMNS, THE THE TWO ON THE OUTSIDE ARE NOT IN THE CORNER.
THEY'RE OFFSET BY ABOUT A FOOT TO THE CENTER.
UM, THOSE OUGHT TO SIT RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF THE PORCH BECAUSE THAT WAY THE, THE FREEZE BOARD THAT'S HOLDING, OR THE THE COLUMN IS HOLDING UP WILL TURN AND THE COLUMN WILL BE RIGHT AT THE CORNER INSTEAD OF OFFSET.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WAS WONDERING IS THERE'S HANDRAILS ON THE STAIRS, BUT THEN THEY DON'T, UH, THERE'S NOT ONE ON THE PORCH ITSELF.
UM, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY THOSE ARE HELD BY, BY, UH, SHEET BALLS.
UM, I'M JUST HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF HEARTBURN OVER THAT DETAIL.
LIKE THERE'S NOTHING HELPING TO SUPPORT IT.
SO I GUESS MY FIRST INCLINATION IS NOT TO DO ANY HANDRAILS.
UH, BUT THEN IT ALSO DEPENDS ON HOW HIGH THE, THE FINISHED FLOOR IS ABOVE THE GROUND OF THE PORCH.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHERE THAT FINISHED FLOOR SITS ABOVE THE GROUND? MS. CAN, ARE YOU STILL WITH US? SORRY, I WAS ON MUTE.
WELL, WE JUST, OUR COMPUTER ISSUES TODAY, WE, US TO SUSPECT.
SO, UM, HOW HIGH ARE THAT FINISHED FLOOR? ABOVE THE GROUND? ABOVE THE GROUND? I BELIEVE IT'S FOUR FEET.
SO JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS ONE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA NEED GUARDRAILS ON THE, ON THE PORCH ITSELF? YEAH.
THREE FEET HIGH, UNLESS THEY CAN BRING ON THE FOUND, UNLESS YOU CAN BRING THE, THE, THE GROUND AND THE FOUNDATION CLOSER TOGETHER TO BE UNDER 30 INCHES.
SO EITHER, SO THE, SO THE OPTION IS WE WILL EITHER HAVE TO PUT GUARDRAILS ON THE PORCH OR DO THE SAME AS LAST TO MAKE IT FROM 30 INCHES TO 29 OR BELOW.
BECAUSE I NOTICED YOU HAVE THE HAND PREFERENCE.
IF I COULD ASK, WHAT'S THE PRE, IS THE PREFERENCE TO MAKE IT, UM, BELOW 30 OR TO DO THE GUARD RAILS? I THINK YOU GUYS ARE LEANING TOWARDS THE, TO MAKE IT BELOW, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE.
YES, I AGREE WITH YOU TO MAKE IT BELOW.
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SO SIMILAR DETAIL ON THE GABLE.YOU JUST KEEP, I SAW YOU, I SAW THE WHEELS TURNING.
THERE'S NO FREEZE BOARD UNDERNEATH THIS, UH, UNDERNEATH THE RAKE.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE SIDING JUST RUNS INTO THE, INTO THE SIDE OF THE, THE ROW.
THERE OUGHT TO BE A, A TRIM BOARD AROUND THAT, OR A FREEZE BOARD, WE CALL IT, UH, TO WRAP TO MAKE THAT, UH, INTERSECTION.
IT'S JUST MISSING SOME DETAILS.
AND THAT'S ON THE, UM, SIDE ELEVATION OR THE FRONT WHERE YOU FRONT ANYTIME YOU HAVE A, OKAY.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY? OTHERWISE WE MIGHT BE READY FOR A MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER RENO HAS PICKED UP HIS PEN.
UM, IN MATTER OF CA 2 4 5 DASH 180 RD.
OTHERWISE KNOWN AS TWO 18 LANDIS STREET THAT WE APPROVE WITH FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, UH, AS STATED, UH, BY STAFF WITH ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT THE FRONT PORCH CORNER GO TO THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS SIT ON THE CORNER OF THE PORCH, UM, THAT THE GABLE ENDS HAVE A TRIM BOARD THAT THE, UM, FRONT, UH, OR THE GABLE WINDOW BE VENT RATHER THAN A, A WINDOW.
UM, THAT THE, IF THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION IS LESS THAN 30 INCHES, UM, THAT THERE BE NO HANDRAILS, MORE GUARDRAILS.
IF THEY ARE IN FACT ABOVE THAT, UM, THAT THOSE WILL HAVE TO BE, UH, SUBMITTED TO STAFF AGAIN FOR APPROVAL OF THE DESIGN.
UM, THAT ALL CORNER OF AND, UH, TRIM AROUND WINDOWS BE AT LEAST ONE BY FOUR ACTUALLY AROUND ALL FENESTRATIONS, WHETHER THEY BE DOORS, WINDOWS, CORNERS.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT CONCLUDES MY CONDITIONS.
UM, THE SECOND WAS, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON TO THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RENE, YOU MADE THE MOTION.
COMMISSIONER RENO MADE THE MOTION.
UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR ARE WE READY TO VOTE ON THIS? ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY NO.
CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN, MS. KEEN.
NOW YOU CAN GET BUSY BUILDING, BUILDING, BUILDING.
I APPRECIATE IT AND APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU GUYS.
AND WE ALREADY SAID WE APPRECIATE YOU TOO,
ALRIGHT, NOW WE MOVE ON TO DISCUSSING OUR, OUR ANNUAL REPORT.
SHOULD I BRING IT BACK UP? I GUESS YOU SHOULD DO THAT AND SAY HOW YOU'D LIKE US TO, UM, PROCEED WITH MAKING ALL OUR CHANGES COMMUNICATED TO YOU AND, AND NOTED WITHIN THIS, UM, MEETING, BECAUSE I KNOW MANY HAVE EMAILED, WE JUST SAY THAT.
I THINK WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS IF YOU WANT TO LIST ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE, LIKE ARE PART OF THE MOTION THAT YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ARE IN THERE OR CHANGED, YOU KNOW, PUT THAT ON THE RECORD TODAY, BUT THEN EMAIL ME SO THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT IT'S RIGHT.
WE WANT YOU TO, SO I THINK, I THINK SINCE IT'S ALREADY BEEN, YOU KNOW, PRESENTED, I, I THINK YOU'LL JUST DIG IN AND LET, LET ME KNOW.
DID YOU HAVE AN ANSWER ON THE, UH, RECOMMENDED CHANGES IN USE QUESTION? SO, OH, OKAY.
SO THAT IS PART OF YOUR DUTIES.
UM, WHEN WE CREATE A HISTORIC DISTRICT, YOU HAVE, YOU, IT IS WITHIN THE LANDMARK COMMISSION'S PURVIEW TO, WE ADD USES.
WE CAN'T NECESSARILY TAKE AWAY USES.
FOR INSTANCE, YOU CREATE A DISTRICT AND YOU, THERE'S ONE PARTICULAR HOUSE THAT, UH, IS GONNA
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PROBABLY GET TORN DOWN IF IT, IF YOU CAN'T MAKE IT A, B AND B.SO YOU CAN ADD B AND B TO THE LIST OF APPROVED.
SO WOULD IT THEN NEED TO GO TO CPC TO BE 'CAUSE YOU WOULD BE REZONING.
IT, IT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING.
SO IT WOULD GO TO CPC AND COUNCIL, BUT Y'ALL, Y'ALL WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDING BODY.
AND THEN ON THE PART AROUND UNDUE HARDSHIP, WE HAD THE DISCUSSION, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION WE'RE ALLOWED TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT IT HAD AN ELEMENT OR A COMPONENT OF THAT.
UM, BUT I KNOW COMMISSIONER
WHEN IT COMES TO DESIGN ISSUES, WHEN IT COMES TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION ISSUES, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER THE, UM, THE FINANCIAL ASPECTS OF IT.
IT'S EITHER, IT'S EITHER APPROPRIATE OR IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.
UM, WHEN WE GET INTO ANY DISCUSSION OF HARDSHIP, IT'S IN VERY SPECIFIC INCIDENT IN INCIDENCES.
UM, LIKE FOR DEMOLITION, ONE OF THE STANDARDS FOR DEMOLITION IS THAT THERE'S NO VIABLE USE FOR THE PROPERTY ECONOMICALLY.
SO WE GET INTO THAT THEN, UM, AND WE HAVE OTHER, OTHER SPECIFIC THINGS LIKE FOR INSTANCE, OUR FEES.
WE DON'T HAVE THE, THE, UH, ABILITY TO WAIVE A FEE IF IT'S REQUESTED, UM, THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, I KNOW WE, WE ONCE DID ONE, UM, WHERE WE ADJUSTED OUR REQUIREMENT FOR MATERIALS USAGE FOR A HOUSE ON SOUTH BOULEVARD THAT HAD A BEAUTIFUL SLATE ROUTE THAT WAS IN TRULY BAD CONDITION.
SHE HAD TO REPLACE ALL OF IT AND SHE REALLY WANTED TO, BUT IT WAS BEYOND HER MEANS.
AND WE APPROVED A DIFFERENT SORT OF ROUTE THAT IS, IN THAT CASE, NO ONE SAID IT WAS BAD THEN NOT EVEN THE ATTORNEYS.
BUT THAT'S, WELL EVEN IN THAT CASE, THAT WAS VERY SUBJECTIVE.
YOU DECIDED THAT FROM A PRESERVATION STANDPOINT, YOU, YOU COULD ACCEPT THAT OTHER TYPE OF ROOF THAT IT WASN'T, THERE WASN'T ONE ANSWER TO THE PROBLEM.
AND, AND, AND ALL, YOU'RE 15 HUMAN BEINGS WHO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO SOMETHING, UH, SUBJECTIVE.
NOW IF IT SAYS THE CRITERIA NO PAINTING OF BRICK, THEN THAT'S DIFFERENT TO SAY, OH, WELL, SINCE IT'S GONNA COST SOME MONEY TO NOT PAINT THE BRICK.
BUT, UM, THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT.
BUT WE DO HAVE A MILLION DECISIONS TO MAKE EACH AND EVERY MEETING.
I, UH, SENT AN EMAIL TO MARCUS EARLIER ON THE PART OF THE REPORT THAT LISTS, UH, PROFESSIONAL AND NON-PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATIONS.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO INCLUDE IN THE NON-PROFESSIONAL, I GUESS ASSOCIATIONS THE DALLAS MEXICAN AMERICAN HISTORICAL LEAGUE? CERTAINLY.
ANYTHING ELSE WANTED TO ADD ON THAT? PRESI, YOU HAD QUITE A LIST.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE ASKING HER.
DO WE NEED TO GO OVER OTHER CHANGES THAT PEOPLE WELL, I MOTION IT'S GONNA BE WELL DOES ANY, DOES ANYBODY WHO'S NOT PRE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS THEY WANNA CHANGE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED YET? I TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER.
I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE LIST ALL THE NEW CONSTRUCTIONS BY DISTRICT THAT SHOWS THAT THE SOUTHERN HALF CITY IS GETTING NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THAT I FEEL THIS COMMISSION HAS BEEN HELD KIND OF ACCOUNTABLE FOR SOME PROBLEMS IN THE PAST FOR THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ANYBODY THAT READS THIS, IT'S VERY OBVIOUS THAT CANCER IN WEEKLY PLACE ON THE MEN ARE GETTING LOTS OF NEW INSTRUCTIONS.
YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT EARLIER.
WE DON'T GOOD MOTION FOR THAT REASON.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE MR. PREZI BEGINS MY DIATRIBE, I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF A NICER WORD, BUT, OKAY.
IT WON'T BE AS ELEGANT AS, UH, NO.
MOTION TO APPROVE THE ANNUAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, REPORT WITH THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENT CORRECTIONS ON, UH, PAGE TWO, THE REPORT UPDATE.
COMMISSIONER, PRESIDENT OC TO DA, UH, COMMISSIONER 13, UH, CORRECT THE SPELLING OF JO JOANNA HAMPTON'S NAME, UH, INCLUDE ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS TO UM, COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT HAVE SINCE, UH, BEEN APPOINTED SINCE OCTOBER 23.
BELIEVE, UH, UH, PAGE SEVEN, UNDER PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AT THE AD HOC, UH, CODE, AD HOC CODE AMENDMENT COMMITTEE
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AT 10 TIMES WITH THE OBJECTIVE PURSUANT TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION MOTION, ESTABLISH A COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THE PREVIOUS 2021 AD HOC COMMITTEE, CODE AMENDMENT RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE SECTION OF THE COMMITTEE.A, UH, ON 4.501 AND DEVELOPED 2023 RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF REGARDING POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS, UH, FOR THE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE.
UH, ALSO ON THAT PAGE, UH, ADD TO THE, UM, UH, UH, TRAININGS, THE, UH, PRESERVATION TEXAS REGIONAL SUMMITS, TEXAS STATE HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION.
STATE, OUR TEXAS HISTORY CONFERENCE ON PAGE EIGHT, ADD TO THE PROFESSIONAL LIST, UM, OR CHANGE IN THE PROFESSIONAL LIST.
SHOULD BE THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF CERTIFIED PLANNERS COLLEGE AND FELLOWS, NOT AMERICAN NSTITUTE PLANNING COLLEGE AND FELLOW AT THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS UNDER NON-PROFESSIONAL AT, UH, DOOMO, UM, UH, DAL, UH, HERITAGE O CLIFF, NATIONAL PRESERVATION PARTNERS NETWORK AND TEXAS HISTORICAL LOCATION.
AND AT THE END, CHANGE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT'S, UH, DESCRIPTION, UH, TO REFLECT WHETHER IT'S DISTRICT OR AN INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK.
ALL THOSE HAVE BEEN EMAILED TO YOU, SO YOU THANK YOU.
AND I BE THAT HE, HE MENTIONED THAT TOO.
AND ADDING NEW CONSTRUCTION BY DISTRICT FOR, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON'S REQUEST AS WELL AS BULLETING OUT THE, UM, TYPES OF APPROVALS AS MENTIONED EARLIER.
DID YOU GET THE, UM, THE HISPANIC, UH, SERVICE YES.
PRONOUNCED IT BY WE YOU TRY TO TURN IT INTO A WORD JUST YES.
DALLAS, MEXICAN AMERICAN TORICAL.
THE MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER OSI AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER.
ARE WE READY TO VOTE FOR APPRO AS DESCRIBED OF THIS? AND I DO A REPORT? ALL IN FAVOR SAY YES.
AND I BELIEVE WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, I, I GET TO SEE IT ONE MORE TIME AND SO IF ANYBODY WAKES UP AT TWO IN THE MORNING WITH SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T GET DONE BEFORE, WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.
SO JUST WRITE IT DOWN IN MY SLEEP.
NOW IT'S TIME FOR US TO VOTE UPON OUR MINUTES FROM LAST TIME, DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES THEY NEED FROM THE MINUTES THAT WERE SENT TO US? ALRIGHT.
AND DOES SOMEONE HAVE A MOTION APPROVE? DECEMBER 2ND, 2024.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER FOR MOVING.
WHO'S THE SECOND COMMISSIONER? GAY.
COMMISSIONER GAY WAS THE SECOND.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE A NAME TAG? I DO.
YOU DO? YOU JUST DIDN'T ADMIT WE NEEDED TO GO.
I DON'T HAVE THE NAME TAG, BUT I'LL HAVE ONE NEXT WEEK.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW WE HAVE VISITORS SOMETIMES.
IT IS THREE 11 AND THIS MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION IS ADJOURNED.
PAUL, YOU CAN SAY THEY'RE ALL.