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[Ad Hoc Committee on Administrative Affairs on January 9, 2025.]
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UM, WE ARE WAITING ON, UM, CHAIRMAN RIDLEY.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF HE IS TRYING TO GET IN OR NOT.
UH, DO WE KNOW STAFF, UH, WHICH WITH CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, YOU HAVING ANY PROBLEMS TRYING TO GET IN AND ALSO WAITING ON, UH, CHAIRMAN TRU WOMAN STEWART, CAN YOU HEAR ME? CHAIRWOMAN STEWART, SIR.
SO, UH, WE BACK, SO WE JUST WAITING ON, UH, RIDLEY HAVE ARUM YOU HAD A CASE SUMMARY.
OKAY, SO WE WAITING ON RIDLEY.
SO, UM, HAVE YOU CALLED HIM? WE GONNA GET, WE GOT A QUORUM.
FIRST ITEM AGENDA IS A MOTION FOR THE MINUTES.
SO I GET A MOTION MOVE TO APPROVE.
CAN I GET A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND.
UM, THE FIRST BRIEFING ITEM THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE WOULD BE THE CITY COUNCIL APPOINTEE POSITION, PERFORM REVIEW PROCESS FOR THE CITY MANAGER, THE CITY SECRETARY OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND THE INSPECTOR GENERAL, UH, WITH BECKY TILLEN.
I BELIEVE CAROLYN IS ON THE LINE.
SHE'S GONNA GIVE US A PRESENTATION.
AND SO BEFORE WE GET STARTED, UM, I'M GOING KINDA MOVE OVER TO, UM, ASSISTANT MANAGER, UM, ZEL.
ZEL, CAN YOU JUST, UH, KINDA WALK US THROUGH, UH, WE HAVE NOT DID SOME OF THESE PERFORMANCE IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS AND, AND, AND BY DOING THAT, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ON THE SAME PAGE AND, AND WE TALKED TO BAKER TILLERSON, THAT THEY KNOW WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
SO CAN YOU JUST KIND OF WALK US THROUGH, UH, WITH SOME OF THE REVIEW WE HAD DONE THE LAST TWO YEARS OF SOME OF THE, UM, UH, CITY MA, UH, CITY ATTORNEY AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND BEFORE WE SEE THE PRESENTATION, KINDA WALK US THROUGH.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MAYOR PROAM, DENZEL GIBSON, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, MAYOR.
THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A GAP IN BETWEEN THE LAST CYCLE OF PERFORMANCE REVIEWS.
SO TODAY'S PRESENTATION THAT WILL BE LED BY BAKER TILLEY WILL WALK YOU THROUGH SOME DECISION POINTS THAT THE COUNCIL, UH, COMMITTEE WILL NEED TO MAKE RELATIVE TO WHAT TIME PERIOD WILL YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE PREVIOUS PERFORMANCE, AND THEN WHAT METRICS AND WHAT PROJECTS AND WHAT, UH, STRATEGY THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO USE FOR THE NEXT CYCLE, RIGHT, FOR THE FUTURE PERFORMANCE.
LED IN THE PRESENTATION TODAY BY CAROL WITH BAKER TILLEY.
IT'S KIND OF A WHITEBOARD SESSION BECAUSE IT'S BEEN QUITE A WHILE.
AND SO THERE'S SOME NEW MEMBERS ON THIS COMMITTEE.
UH, THERE'S SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT MAY HAVE NOT PARTICIPATED IN THIS PROCESS, UH, BEFORE, AND WE'RE ENGAGING A NEW PARTNER, UH, FROM WHAT WE HAD DONE PREVIOUSLY.
SO SOME THINGS ARE GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN MAYBE THEY HAD BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.
AND SO, AGAIN, I I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE LOOK AT TODAY AS QUITE A LITTLE BIT OF A WHITEBOARD SESSION.
UH, CAROL'S GONNA LOG IN HERE IN JUST A SECOND AND, AND WALK YOU THROUGH.
AND A LOT OF QUESTIONS, UH, THAT WILL COME HER WAY.
SHE MIGHT NOT HAVE THE ANSWER FOR IT TODAY, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A WHITEBOARD SESSION AND I THINK WE'RE READY.
SO TELL CAROL, LOUY AND CAROL.
UM, I HAVE MY COLLEAGUE WITH ME, STEVE MEMEL, AND HE WILL BE LEADING THE, UH, THE PERFORMANCE EVALUATION SHOULD YOU DECIDE TO CHEW US.
I HAVE A BRIEF POWERPOINT PRESENTATION TO REALLY
OH, YOU CAN'T HEAR ME? I'M SORRY.
UM, SO WE HAVE A BRIEF POWERPOINT PRESENTATION TO GO OVER OUR PROPOSAL WITH YOU, AND WE WOULD, WE WANTED TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH YOU TO ASK, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WE MAY HAVE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M SEEING MYSELF TWICE, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
UM, SO IF WE COULD START THE POWERPOINT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO SHARE THE POWERPOINT.
THE STAFF HERE CAN RUN THE SL, THE STAFF CAN RUN THE SL.
SO WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT YOUR, UM, APPOINTEES.
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT YOU HIRE DIRECTLY.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THEY HAVE GOALS AND THEY HAVE PERFORMANCE REVIEWS, AND WE HELP FACILITATE THAT, PARTICULARLY WITH A COUNCIL OF YOUR SIZE.
UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET EVERYBODY'S INPUT AND TO HAVE A FAIR, UM, AND A FAIR PERFORMANCE EVALUATION FOR YOUR FOLKS.
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SLIDE, PLEASE.SO TODAY WHAT WE WANNA DO IS WE WANNA INTRODUCE OURSELF.
WE WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE FOR THIS PROCESS.
WE'LL SHARE WHAT WHAT HAS WORKED WITH US FOR US FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS WITH, UH, COUNCILS OF ALL SIZES.
UM, WE'LL SHARE OUR APPROACH, HOW WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH YOU.
THIS IS A VERY COLLABORATIVE PROCESS.
WE'LL SHARE OUR TIMELINE, OUR EXPERIENCE, AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BAKER CHILI, AND THEN WE'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
UH, I'M A MANAGING DIRECTOR HERE AT BAKER TILLY.
I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR A LARGE SECTION OF OUR PUBLIC SECTOR PRACTICE AREA.
I'M LOCATED IN CALIFORNIA, UM, BUT HAVE DONE SOME WORK IN THE, UH, TEXAS AREA.
AND, UM, LOVE TO GO TO TEXAS AND DALLAS AIRPORT IS ONE OF MY FAVORITES.
UM, AND MY COLLEAGUE, UH, STEVE RAMEL.
STEVE AND I HAVE BOTH BEEN, UH, FORMER CITY MANAGERS.
AND WE THINK THAT REALLY ADDS VALUE TO THIS PROCESS BECAUSE WE HAVE SAT IN THE CHAIR OF YOUR, ONE OF, AT LEAST ONE OF YOUR APPOINTEES, AND WE UNDERSTAND THE UNIQUE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN APPOINTEES AND COUNCILS.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU NEED.
UH, IF YOU COULD GO NEXT SLIDE.
SO I'M GONNA LET, I'M GONNA LET STEVE ANA WALK YOU THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
I'M GONNA JUMP IN AND TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT OUR PROCESS THAT WAS, UH, ARTICULATED IN OUR PROPOSAL.
THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THE PERFORMANCE EVALUATION ISN'T ABOUT SOMEONE COMING IN AND ASKING FOR A RAISE OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
PEOPLE SOMETIMES GET THAT WRONG, RIGHT? THE, THE MAIN PURPOSE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE CITY COUNCIL ARE.
MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE.
IN OUR EXPERIENCE, UH, BOTH CAROL AND I HAVE SEEN WHEN RELATIONSHIPS GO WRONG, IT'S USUALLY AROUND A LACK OF COMMUNICATION, A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE ELECTED BODY AND THEIR APPOINTEES.
SO AGAIN, OUR PROCESS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE GOOD GOVERNANCE OF THE MUNICIPAL ORGANIZATION.
YOU DO THAT BY MAKING SURE THE WORKING RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE COUNCIL AND YOUR APPOINTEES IS PRODUCTIVE, IS CLEAR, AND EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT THEIR ROLE IS AND WHAT YOU'RE WORKING TOWARDS.
SO WHAT OUR APPROACH DOES IS IT'S COMPREHENSIVE.
IT'S HARD TO DO EMPLOYEE EVALUATIONS.
IT'S PARTICULARLY DIFFICULT IN A MUNICIPAL SETTING WHERE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE ELECTED OFFICIALS.
SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE EXPERIENCE RUNNING A BUSINESS, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NOT.
GOVERNMENT WORKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
AND THE BEST WAY IS THE FACILITATED WAY THAT WE BRING TO IT.
SO WHAT WE DO IS WE'RE THAT BRIDGE BETWEEN THE COUNCIL AND YOUR APPOINTEES.
WE START BY GATHERING INFORMATION.
WE, WE WILL DEVELOP A SET OF QUESTIONS.
WE WOULD INVITE THE COUNCIL OR A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COUNCIL'S PARTICIPATION IN DEVELOPING THE QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS IN OUR INTERVIEWS.
WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED IN OUR PROPOSAL AN OPTION TO INTERVIEW SUBORDINATES OF THE COUNCIL EMPLOYEES.
OFTEN AN ELECTED BODY CAN LEARN A LOT FROM UNDERSTANDING THE VIEWPOINT FROM THOSE THAT REPORT TO YOUR APPOINTEE.
UH, AND WE PUT TOGETHER THE QUESTIONS.
AND THEN, UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'LL ASK EACH APPOINTEE TO PUT TOGETHER A SELF-ASSESSMENT.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, USUALLY MAYBE ABOUT A FOUR TO FIVE PAGE MEMORANDUM THAT ASKS THEM FROM THEIR STANDPOINT, HOW THEY FEEL THEY'VE DONE IN TERMS OF THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENTS, WHAT SUGGESTED GOALS THEY HAVE FOR THE NEXT YEAR, HOW THEY HAVE PERFORMED ON ANY EXISTING GOALS, AND ALSO WHAT IS IT THAT THEY NEED FROM THE COUNCIL TO BE SUCCESSFUL GOING FORWARD.
BECAUSE LOTS OF TIMES, AGAIN, SOMETIMES COUNCIL PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THEY HAVE A ROLE IN THE SUCCESS OF THE EXECUTIVES.
AND THE EXECUTIVES NEED TO TELL THE COUNCIL WHAT THEY NEED FROM THEM IN ORDER FOR THEM TO DO THEIR JOB EFFECTIVELY.
SO WE SHARE THE SELF-ASSESSMENT WITH THE COUNCIL PRIOR TO INTERVIEWS.
THEN WE CONDUCT THE INTERVIEWS, AS I MENTIONED.
WE ALSO WOULD CONDUCT THE STAFF INTERVIEWS.
ALL THE INTERVIEWS ARE CONFIDENTIAL.
WE DON'T ASCRIBE BACK TO ANYBODY, ANY PARTICULAR STATEMENTS.
AND THEN WE SYNTHESIZE THAT INTO A REPORT, AGAIN, BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE.
WHEN WE ARE IN, IN THESE INTERVIEWS AND WE LISTEN AND WE HEAR WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WE'RE ABLE TO DISTILL THE KEY POINTS OF THE PERFORMANCE OF THE PERSON BEING EVALUATED.
WE'LL PULL ALL THAT TOGETHER IN AN EVALUATION REPORT THAT SUMMARIZES THE RESULTS.
WE'LL SHARE THAT WITH THE APPOINTEE, GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM, AND THEN THAT'S SHARED WITH THE COUNCIL.
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AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A CLOSED SESSION DISCUSSION.WE RECOMMEND INCLUDING THE APPOINTEES IN THE DISCUSSION.
SOMETIMES SOME COUNSELS WANT TO MEET WITHOUT THE APPOINTEE BEFOREHAND.
THAT CAN, THAT CAN BE ARRANGED AS WELL, WHATEVER YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH.
BUT WE HAVE A MEETING WITH EVERYONE TOGETHER AND US AS THE NEUTRAL THIRD PARTY FACILITATOR USING A A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION TO GUIDE THE DISCUSSION.
WE WALK THROUGH THE KEY POINTS THAT ARE SUMMARIZED IN THE MEMO.
WHAT ARE THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS? WHAT ARE PEOPLE DOING WELL? HOW WELL ARE THEY DOING IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE COUNCIL? HOW WELL ARE THEY DOING IN TERMS OF LEADERSHIP, OTHER ASPECTS OF THE JOB, HOW WELL DID THEY DO ACHIEVING EXISTING GOALS? WHERE ARE AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT? WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION AROUND THE PROPOSED GOALS FOR THE COMING YEAR.
IF THERE'S A NEED TO GET AGREEMENT ON THOSE GOALS.
WE'LL DO THAT BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH THE CLOSED SESSION, YOU SHOULD COME OUT WITH A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THESE ARE THE APPOINTEES GOALS FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
AND THEN WE'LL PREPARE ANOTHER REPORT THAT SUMMARIZES THE ENTIRE PROCESS, DISCUSSES SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE COVERED IN THE CLOSED SESSION.
SOMETIMES THERE'S PARTICULAR ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED IN THE CLOSED SESSION, AND WE'LL FACILITATE THAT.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT ALWAYS AN EASY CONVERSATION TO PEOPLE HA FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE AROUND PERFORMANCE.
BUT BY US BEING A NEUTRAL THIRD PARTY, WE CAN COUCH, UH, USING THE PROPER LANGUAGE TO HAVE A PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION.
AND THEN WE SUMMARIZE ALL THAT IN OUR FINAL REPORT, WHICH WE SHARE WITH THE APPOINTEES.
IN SOME INSTANCES, THAT'S ALSO SHARED WITH THE COUNCIL.
IN SOME CASES, THE COUNCIL'S COMFORTABLE JUST WITH THE APPOINTEES HAVING THAT.
AGAIN, WHATEVER YOU PREFER, WE'RE FLEXIBLE.
AND THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF THE PROCESS THAT I, I, I JUST OUTLINED FOR YOU.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A MO LOT MORE TO IT, BUT IN A NUTSHELL, BACK TO CAROL.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, WE, UH, UNDERSTAND FROM YOU ALL IS THAT SOME OF YOUR APPOINTEES HAVE NOT HAD A PERFORMANCE EVALUATION IN A WHILE.
SO TYPICALLY YOU HAVE ONE EVERY YEAR, BUT IF, BUT IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, YOU MAY WANNA GO BACK FURTHER THAN A YEAR TO DISCUSS, UM, PERFORMANCE FOR A LONGER TIME PERIOD.
WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY ACCOMMODATE THAT.
UM, AND WE'LL WORK WITH, UH, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STEVE WILL WORK TOGETHER WITH YOU TO, TO IDENTIFY WHAT TIME PERIOD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR EACH OF YOUR APPOINTEES.
UH, I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE A CITY MANAGER RIGHT NOW.
UH, ANOTHER ONE OF OUR TEAM, UH, OUR TEAMS IS, IS HELPING YOU WITH THAT PROCESS.
UM, BUT THIS IS TYPICALLY A A SIX WEEK PROCESS.
A LOT OF THIS IS DEPENDENT UPON HOW QUICKLY WE CAN, UH, MEET WITH ALL OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, ALWAYS A, A THING WE NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, UH, GIVING THE APPOINTEES TIME TO DO THE EVA, THEIR OWN SELF-ASSESSMENT.
SO THAT TAKES SOME TIME AS WELL.
BUT WE CAN, UM, EVALUATE YOUR FOLKS ON ANY TIME PERIOD THAT YOU'D LIKE.
AND SO STEVE WILL WORK CLOSELY WITH YOU ON THAT.
AND IT TAKES ABOUT SIX WEEKS, SIX WEEKS TO DO.
SO, UH, PRIOR TO, UH, STEVE AND I COMING TO BAKER TILLY, WE WERE, WE WERE WITH A FIRM CALLED MANAGEMENT PARTNERS.
AND AS PART OF MANAGEMENT PARTNERS, WE DID YOUR PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS FOR YOUR, UM, FOR YOUR APPOINTEES.
WE UNDERSTAND DALLAS PRETTY WELL.
UM, I THINK OUR EXPERIENCE IN HELPING YOU WITH YOUR, YOUR NEXT CITY MANAGER HAS ALSO GIVEN US SOME INSIGHT.
SO WE HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE WITH YOU.
AND THEN WHAT WE'VE DONE, A NUMBER OF OTHER, UH, LARGE AGENCIES, UH, OUT HERE IN CALIFORNIA.
UH, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, EVERY CITY SHOULD BE DOING THIS.
UM, HIRING CITY MANAGERS OR NOT HIRING, FIRING CITY MANAGERS OR HAVING CITY MANAGERS LEAVE IS A VERY COSTLY AND EXPENSIVE PROCESS.
AND IF YOU CAN KEEP YOUR RELATIONSHIP GOOD WITH YOUR APPOINTEES, IT WILL MAKE YOUR LIVES EASIER AND, AND THE CITY'S LIFE EASIER.
SO JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BAKER TILLY.
UH, THE, THE PART OF THIS SLIDE THAT I REALLY LIKE IS WE HAVE OVER 350 PEOPLE THAT SERVICE JUST THE PUBLIC SECTOR.
WE ONLY WORK WITH CITIES AND COUNTIES ACROSS THE, ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
WE HAVE A DEPTH AND BREADTH THAT VERY FEW OTHER FIRMS HAVE THAT DO THIS KIND OF WORK.
AND, UH, SO WE THINK THAT WE CAN, UH, BRING ANY RESOURCE WE NEED TO YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT.
WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT OUR PROCESS OR, OR HOW THIS, HOW THIS ALL WORKS.
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UM, I KNOW WE ON A FAST TRACK, YOU KNOW, UH, WE TRYING TO HIRE A CITY MANAGER.AND, AND I KNOW IN THE LATE IN THE PRESENTATION AND AGENDA, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, LOOKING AT OTHER FIRMS, WE HAVE BAKER TILLEN ALREADY UNDER CONTRACT.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, CHAIRMAN WEST AND MYSELF SAID, WE GONNA GO AHEAD AND USE BAKER TILLEN TO DO THIS.
WE BOTH AGREED AS COMMITTED TO GET THIS DONE SO WE CAN, UH, GET THESE EVALUATIONS DONE QUICKER.
UH, WHAT I WANT TO DO IS TRYING TO GET A TIMELINE AND A GUIDELINE AND ALSO, UM, HOW DO WE, UH, UM, INTERVIEW REVIEW THESE EMPLOYEES THAT WHICH THEY HAVE NOT BEEN, UH, REVIEW IN TWO YEARS.
SO WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE NOW.
UM, I'M LOOKING AT SOMETIME IN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, 90 DAYS HOPEFULLY OR SOONER TO GET THAT DONE.
SO I NEED YOUR HELP AND I NEED YOUR GUIDANCE COLLEAGUES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THIS ON, ON THE RIGHT PAGE.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S KIND OF VERY DISAPPOINTING.
WE GOT EMPLOYEES THAT BEEN HERE TWO YEARS.
WE HADN'T REVIEWED THEM, YOU KNOW, THEY HADN'T BEEN REVIEWED.
AND SO WE, AT THIS COMMITTEE, WE JUST GOT ASSIGNED THIS INFORMATION.
WE JUST BEEN HERE FOR LESS THAN A YEAR.
SO WE ARE DOING A WHOLE LOT OF WORK.
SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE A LONG TIME AGO.
AND, AND THE REASON IT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE, IT JUST HAVEN'T BEEN DONE.
BUT, UM, I, I THINK COLLEAGUES, UM, Y'ALL SMART, VERY INTELLIGENT.
SO I NEED YOUR FEEDBACK SO WE CAN MOVE THIS, UH, BALL DOWN THE ROAD AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.
WITH THAT, YOU CAN RAISE YOUR HAND WHEN YOU, UH, WANT TO RESPOND AND I CAN LOOK AT YOU.
AND UNLESS GO AHEAD AND START THE SHOW ROLLING WITH QUESTION.
OKAY, THEN, THEN REALLY AFTER THAT, GO AHEAD, CHAIRMAN MIDDLEN.
SO CAN WE GO THROUGH EACH POSITION AND WHEN IT WAS LAST REVIEWED? TOMMY, ARE YOU ON TOMMY MALIS? I AM ON.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? ALRIGHT, CAN YOU HELP SUPPORT ON WHEN THE LAST REVIEWS WERE DONE? UM, LET ME FOLLOW UP ON THAT INFORMATION.
I'LL GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT.
UM, DO WE SHOULD HAVE THAT, THAT SHOULD BE A SIMPLE QUESTION.
SO WHO WOULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION? UH, HERE? WOULD THAT BE, UM, WHO IN DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION? A HR WILL HAVE A RECORD OF THAT HISTORY.
SO WHO IN HR WORKING TODAY? TOM, YOU'RE IN HR, RIGHT? TO YES, SIR.
SO, UM, CAN YOU PICK UP THE FILES? JUST SAY, FOR EXAMPLE OF THE LOOK AT TAMMY PAL MEETING, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME SHE REVIEWED? I, I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW, BUT LET ME TALK WITH MY STAFF AND LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE, WHERE WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION AT AND I'LL GET THAT BACK TO YOU.
BUT CAN YOU ANSWER THE REST OF THAT QUESTION? LIKE, WHEN WILL YOU GET IT BACK TO US? UH, UM, I'LL GET IT BACK TO YOU WITHIN THE NEXT 15, 20 MINUTES.
MY STAFF IS ONLINE RIGHT NOW, AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO SOMETHING.
IS TELL ME, IS YOUR STAFF HERE AT CITY HALL? THEY THEY WORKING REMOTE? UM, I, MY STAFF IS WORKING REMOTE RIGHT NOW.
DO THEY HAVE ASSET TO THE FILE WHEN WORK REMOTE? THEY, THEY, IF, IF THE RECORD, THE RECORD'S GONNA BE OBVIOUSLY, UH, DIGITAL.
SO THEY SHOULD HAVE RECORD OF WHEN THAT WAS COMPLETED.
SO CAN YOU SEND A UM, UH, UH, UH, EMAIL TO YOUR STAFF? WE NEED TO FIND OUT.
WHEN WAS THE LAST, UH, REVIEW FOR THE CITY'S SECRETARY? THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE CITY AUDITOR? WE DON'T NEED THAT.
'CAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO, UH, UH, CHAIRMAN WEST DEPARTMENT.
AND UH, BUT I WOULD STILL LIKE TO GET THAT JUST FOR ALL OF OUR OKAY.
SO WE LOOKING FOR THE CITY SECRETARY.
THE CITY MANAGER, NOT, WE KNOW THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY AND ALSO THE CITY AUDITOR.
SO BY THE TIME WE FINISH UP, WE SHOULD HAVE THE INFORMATION, UH, MS. MENISON.
AND WHO DOES THE MUNICIPAL JUDGE? WHO DOES JUDGE ROBINSON? I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I COULD FOLLOW UP TO SEE WHO'S DONE THAT.
IT, IT, IT, IT IS, IT IS A MR. MELISSA JUDGE.
IT IS, IS IS NOT OUR EMPLOYEE.
IT JUST GO UNDER THE CITY'S, UH, ATTORNEY OFFICE.
MS UH, UH, MS. MILLEN OR WHAT? I MEAN, WE, WE, WE DON'T HIRE THE THE, NO, WE CAN'T APPOINT THEM.
SO, SO THEREFORE THEY THEY DO NOT, THEY THEY WOULD NOT BE FOLLOW UNDER OUR DOMAIN.
THEY'D BE FALSE UNDER SOMEONE ON SOMEONE ELSE DOMAIN IN ADMINISTRATION.
DO WE HIRE AND FIRE THE MELISSA JUDGE? YES.
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YES.UH, IS THAT CORRECT, TOMMY? UM, THE ATTORNEYS ARE LOOKING, THE ATTORNEY LET ATTORNEY LOOK IN.
I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE I, I, IF THEY REPORT DIRECTLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE LAST TIME THEY EVER REPORT DIRECTLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
THEY MAY NEVER HAVE HAD A PERFORMANCE REVIEW.
BUT OF COURSE, THIS IS WHAT OUR, UH, AD HOC OUR COMMITTEE DOES, IS SUGGEST TO US WHO OUR JUDGES ARE AND WE APPOINT THE ADMINISTRATIVE JUDGE.
WELL, SO WE NEED TO KNOW THAT WE NEED TO, SO WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHEN LAST TIME THEY GOT A REVIEW IN PROCESS PROCEDURE ALSO.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE NEED TO FIND OUT.
SO WE'LL FIND THAT OUT BEFORE WE FINISH THIS.
SO MY, MY NEXT QUESTION IS, AGAIN, A PROCESS QUESTION OF WHEN SHOULD THIS BE DONE? I MEAN, AS A COUNCIL, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE A SET TIMELINE, NOT BASED ON EMPLOYMENT DATE, BUT INSTEAD BASED ON, FRANKLY, OUR TENURE.
SO IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE KIND OF CRAZY FOR US TO DO LIKE PERFORMANCE REVIEWS IN AUGUST WHEN A NEW COUNCIL WOULD'VE BEEN SEATED AND NOT REALLY ABLE TO MAKE AN EVALUATION THAT WAS MEANINGFUL AS OPPOSED TO DOING ONE AFTER, UM, A COUNCIL HAD BEEN SEATED FOR AT LEAST NINE TO 12 MONTHS.
SO I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF WE HAVE A CALENDAR FOR THIS PROCESS AND PERHAPS WE MISSED A DATE OR IF, BECAUSE THERE WAS AN INTEREST IN DOING IT MORE ON SERVICE ANNIVERSARY.
THAT THAT'S HOW THIS HAS GOTTEN AWAY FROM, FROM OUR PROCESS.
UM, UH, WHAT I WANT TO DO IS, SINCE WE STARTED THIS PROCESS, WE GOT THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE DONE.
I WANT TO PUT THIS IN THE FRAME OF THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE.
YOU KNOW, I, I FEEL LIKE THAT WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE NOW.
'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S OVERDUE, IT'S PAST DUE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE HAVE A, A CITY ATTORNEY OF CITY MANAGERS WE TRYING TO HIRE.
I THINK WE NEED TO GET THAT DONE.
NOW, THE TIMELINE, I THINK WE NEED TO DO IT BETWEEN NOW, BEFORE MAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET IT DONE BECAUSE WE, WE'VE BEEN DRAGGING THIS ON FOR TOO LONG.
SO WE GOTTA PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE.
NOW, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.
MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE LOOKING TO SET, UM, A FRAMEWORK WHERE WE SAY EVERY JANUARY WE BEGIN THIS PROCESS WITH THE GOAL OF, YOU KNOW, COMPLETING A PERFORMANCE REVIEW AT OUR FIRST, UH, A FIRST MEETING IN MARCH, RIGHT? LIKE, I'M, I'M LOOKING FOR US TO SET A FRAMEWORK WHERE WE HAVE AN ANNUAL PROCEDURE AND WE KNOW, OH, IT'S JANUARY.
WE'RE GONNA BE MEETING WITH WHOEVER OUR CONSULTANTS ARE.
WE'RE GONNA BEGIN OUR PROCESS.
THEY'RE GONNA DO THEIR, THEIR WORK, PUTTING IT TOGETHER, GET BACK WITH US.
WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY DO THAT PERFORMANCE REVIEW.
AND AGAIN, I'M JUST MAKING UPDATES.
OKAY, WE WE'RE GOOD ON WHICH, SO THEREFORE YOU SAID JANUARY.
SO WE, WE, WE, LOOKING AT THE, THE, THE MONTH OF MARCH.
I MEAN, THAT'S A SUGGESTION, YOU KNOW, SO, WELL, IT COULD BE THAT YOU WANNA START THIS EVERY FEBRUARY AND DO IT IN APRIL.
YOU MAY WANT, I MEAN, I'M, I'M NOT SPECIFYING WHAT MONTH.
I'M JUST GIVING AN IDEA OF HOW I'M HOPING WE PUT SOMETHING WITH AT LEAST MONTHS, UM, I, I DON'T WANNA SAY CODIFIED, BUT A FRAMEWORK FOR THIS COMMITTEE AND OUR COUNCIL TO FOLLOW SO THAT WE KNOW ANNUALLY THIS IS WHAT OUR PROCESS IS.
I'M GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE STARTED A PROCESS NOW THIS JANUARY, I'M TRYING TO SAY IT RIGHT NOW.
I'M, I'M JUST GOING TO PENCIL THAT IN.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT PERMANENT, BUT I'M JUST PUTTING SUGGESTION.
SO, UM, YOU, YOU'VE OPENED WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT TOPICS AS FAR AS I, I FEEL LIKE YOU WERE MAYBE ASKING THE COMMITTEE, ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH BAKER TILLY AS OUR CONSULTANTS? IS THAT A QUESTION THAT WAS ON THE TABLE? I BELIEVE THAT THEM DON'T GET ZEL ZEL WITH YOU, WITH BAKER TILLERSON.
I KNOW ME AND CHAIR WEST, HIS COMMITTEE WE DID, SAID ON THIS PARTICULAR DEAL WE DOING WITH BAKER TILLERSON GOING FORWARD.
SO YOU EXPLAINED THE PROCESS, THEN LATER ON WE GOT, UH, THREE OTHER, UH, PROPOSALS THAT WE GOTTA TALK ABOUT GOING FORWARD.
UH, ZEL GIBSON CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE FOR CLARITY.
THE THREE PROPOSALS THAT, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM IS REFERENCING IS FOR THE IG SEARCH, THE INSPECTOR GENERAL SEARCH, WHICH IS A, A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM.
THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM RELATIVE TO THE PERFORMANCE REVIEW FOR APPOINTED OFFICIALS, IT WAS STAFF'S UNDERSTANDING IN COMBINATION WITH GPFM AND AD HOC FOR ADMINISTRATIVE AFFAIRS THAT THE COUNCIL WANTED TO MOVE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.
UH, NINA, OUR HR DIRECTOR, WHEN SHE WAS BRIEFING THIS COMMITTEE AT OUR LAST SESSION, SAID THAT, HEY, IF YOU GUYS WANT US TO GO OUT AND DO A NEW PROCUREMENT, IT WAS GONNA ADD TO THE TIMELINE.
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SENTIMENT THAT WE HEARD THAT STAFF HEARD WAS, WE NEED TO MOVE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.THERE WAS SOME REQUESTS THAT THERE WAS A WAY TO, UH, HAVE SOME CONNECTIVITY WITH THE PREVIOUS, UH, PARTNERS THAT HELPED SUPPORT THE COUNCIL.
IN THE LAST PERFORMANCE REVIEW.
UH, WE REACHED OUT TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS ANY, UH, OPPORTUNITY THERE AND THERE WAS NOT.
AND SO THE DECISION THAT WE UNDERSTOOD THAT COUNCIL WANTED US TO DO WAS TO MOVE FORWARD AND AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, WE HAD AN EXISTING CONTRACT AND BETWEEN MAYOR PRO TIM AND COUNCIL MEMBER OR CHAIR WEST FOR G-P-F-M-A DECISION WAS MADE THAT WE WERE GONNA BE USING BAKER TILLY AS ALREADY UNDER CONTRACT.
SO MY QUESTION WAS ONLY IF WE WERE BEING POSED THAT QUESTION OR IF IT HAD ALREADY BEEN DECIDED.
I HAD UNDERSTOOD IT TO ALREADY HAVE BEEN DECIDED.
SO, SO I THINK YOU ARE YES, YES.
SO, UM, I'M JUST GONNA TELL YOU, THERE IS SO MUCH SNOW GOING ON OUTSIDE MY WINDOW.
SO MY, MY NEXT QUESTION IS IN LOOKING AT FIRMS TO ASSIST WITH THE, UM, SEARCH FOR THE IG, WE HAVE MULTIPLE CONTRACTS AVAILABLE TO US THROUGH COOPERATIVES, AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER OTHER FIRMS SINCE WE HAVE BAKER TILLY BUSY WITH BOTH THESE REVIEWS AND OUR CITY MANAGER SEARCH.
MY, MY QUESTION IS, BECAUSE BAKER TILLY IS ASSISTING WITH THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH AS WELL AS ASSISTING WITH THESE PERFORMANCE REVIEWS FOR FOUR TO FIVE POSITIONS, I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE ONE OF OUR COOPERATIVE AGREEMENTS FOR A DIFFERENT FIRM TO DO OUR IG SEARCH.
WE OKAY, IF, IF, IF, CORRECT ME THAT IN, UH, THE BRIEFING B WE GOT A, A PRESENTATION RECRUITED FIRMS REGARDING THE SEARCH FOR AN IG INSPECTOR, AND THOSE ARE THE THREE FIRMS THAT'S IN OUR NEXT BRIEFING.
IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR AGENDA DATE, YOU SEE THAT'S IN, UM, BRIEFING B FOR THE IG.
BUT IT GOT MENTIONED IN YOUR EARLY COMMENTS, SO THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST LIKE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS YOU JUST SAID, BUT I'LL STOP THERE.
I'LL PAUSE THERE BECAUSE THOSE WERE, WELL, LET, LET ME GIVE ONE MORE, ONE MORE THING THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT YOU DIDN'T REALLY BRING UP, WHICH IS ABOUT WHAT THE EVALUATION CRITERIA ARE AND HOW WE'RE DETERMINING THAT.
AND THIS HAS BEEN, UM, A STICKING POINT IN THE PAST ABOUT REALLY COMING UP WITH WHAT ARE THOSE MEASURABLE OUTCOMES THAT ALIGN WITH OUR STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES.
HOW ARE WE ACTUALLY EVALUATING SOMEBODY AND NOT FOCUSING ON SHORT TERM, BUT REALLY THINKING ABOUT NOT THE SOFT SKILLS OF WOW, ARE THEY A STRATEGIC THINKER AND A DECISION MAKER, BUT MEASURING INNOVATION, MEASURING FINANCIAL PERFORMANCE, MEASURING RESIDENT SATISFACTION, EMPLOYEE ENGAGEMENT, UM, AND HOW OUR INTERNAL PROCESSES ARE ACTUALLY WORKING.
AND SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, WE'VE NEVER PUT NUMBERS TO THAT.
WE'VE NEVER HELD ANYBODY ACCOUNTABLE AND IT'S BEEN MUCH MORE OF A POPULARITY CONTEST.
AND I'M CONCERNED THAT THAT EFFORT CONTINUES.
AND SO WHAT WAS OUTLINED AS THE PROCESS, WHICH IS FRANKLY THE SAME EXACT PROCESS WE'VE USED BEFORE, HAS NOT RESULTED IN THE KIND OF ACCOUNTABILITY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
SO I'M JUST GONNA LEAVE IT AT THAT.
AND WITH THAT, CAROL, CAN YOU PICK UP WHAT SHE SAID? I KNOW YOU HAVE SOME COMMENT ON IT.
KINDA WALK US THROUGH WHAT SHE JUST SAID, PLEASE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.
IT'S REALLY A FUNCTION OF DETERMINING WHAT THE PERFORMANCE GOALS ARE GOING TO BE.
OBVIOUSLY SINCE YOUR APPOINTEES HAVEN'T HAD EVALUATIONS FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO GO BACK AND IDENTIFY WHAT GOALS THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE EVALUATED ON.
BUT GOING FORWARD AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE CAN BE AS DEFINITIVE AS THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE.
SO FOR THE GO FORWARD GOALS, WE CAN ESTABLISH A VARIETY OF CATEGORIES, SAY FINANCIAL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UH, MAYBE MOVING THE CAPITAL BUDGET FORWARD, WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND THEN UNDER THAT WE CAN DETAIL OUT WHAT THE PARTICULAR PERFORMANCE MEASURES ARE IN TERMS OF THE NEXT EVALUATION PERIOD.
'CAUSE THERE NEEDS TO BE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE EXPECTATION
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IS.NOW, IT WILL VARY BY POSITION, PERFORMANCE, UH, METRICS FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL BE A LOT DIFFERENT THAN THE CITY MANAGER.
SO I WILL RELY ON INPUT FROM THE COUNCIL AS WELL AS THE APPOINTEES TO IDENTIFY WHAT ARE THE APPROPRIATE METRICS.
SO WHEN YOU EVALUATE THIS PERSON IN THE FUTURE ON A REGULAR BASIS, YOU CAN TIE BACK TO WHAT WAS ESTABLISHED.
YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO ESTABLISH THOSE BENCHMARKS INITIALLY, AND THEN YOU MEASURE THEM TO IT.
SO CHAIR, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I, I THINK IS PROBLEMATIC.
I'M NOT WILLING TO SAY, WOW, WE DIDN'T SET UP SPECIFIC GOALS IN THE PAST, SO THEREFORE WE'RE JUST GONNA LET EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED SO FAR, WE'RE NOT GONNA REALLY LOOK AT WHAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED AND PUT IT IN ANY KIND OF NUMERIC FORM.
INSTEAD, WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO ANOTHER ONE OF THESE HAPPY REVIEWS AND THEN WE'LL TRY TO SET SOME GOALS MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE MEASURABLE.
LIKE THAT IS NOT THE KIND OF ACCOUNTABILITY THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PROVIDING.
AND SO I'M GONNA SAY THAT WE HAVE TO DO THE WORK TO HAVE OUR CONSULTANTS AND THE PEOPLE WE'RE EVALUATING COME UP WITH METRICS TO SHOW WHAT THEY'VE ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED.
AND, AND IF I MET COUNCIL MEMBER THROUGH THAT SELF-ASSESSMENT, THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE MECHANISM BY WHICH YOUR APPOINTEES PUT FORWARD THEIR SPECIFIC METRICS.
SO IF IT'S EXPECTED THAT YOUR APPOINTEES ARE TO COME FORWARD WITH MEASURABLE RESULTS, WE COMMUNICATE TO THEM WHEN THEY PUT TOGETHER THEIR SELF-ASSESSMENT AND THEY IDENTIFY THAT IN THERE AND SHARE THAT WITH THE COUNCIL.
WELL, HAVING READ THE SELF-ASSESSMENTS IN THE PAST, I'M GONNA SAY THAT'S NOT WHAT HAS BEEN COMMON PRACTICE.
AND I THINK THERE'S A GOOD POINT THIS TIME.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT, MS. MILLEN.
SO WE ARE NOT GONNA LOOK AT WHAT IN THE PAST WE CONSIDER THE MEASURE WHAT WE THINK IS BEST.
SO THEREFORE THIS OPPORTUNITY THAT WHATEVER WE THINK IS THE BEST, UH, FOR THESE EMPLOYEES WHO WORK FOR US, WE WOULD SET UP THE METRICS.
SO WE JUST GONNA TRY TO MAKE SURE, MAKE SURE THAT PERFECTLY CLEAR THAT THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
YOU KNOW, THE CONSULTANT GIVE IDEAL.
THEY'RE GONNA TELL US THE GUIDELINES, HOW CAN WE GET IT DONE.
SO EVERY QUESTION YOU ASK AND EVERY QUESTION THAT THIS COMMITTEE ASKS, WE ARE THE POLICYMAKER.
WE ARE GONNA TRY TO GET IT RIGHT.
WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER THE METRICS IS GONNA BE, THAT THE TIMELINE AND REVIEW, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE GET ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO GET THAT DONE.
WITH THAT CHAIRMAN, RIDLEY, YOU HAVE YOUR HANDS UP.
UH, AT THE OUTSET, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MENTION THAT WE HAVE NEVER REVIEWED THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER NOR THE CITY ATTORNEY SINCE SHE WAS APPOINTED IN 2023.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE OTHER APPOINTEES WERE ALSO LAST REVIEWED SOMETIME IN 2023.
BUT I'D LIKE TO CHALLENGE THIS ASSUMPTION THAT THE COUNCIL HAS SELECTED BAKER TILLY FOR THIS ENGAGEMENT.
THERE HAS BEEN NO DISCUSSION IN THIS COMMITTEE ABOUT WHAT CONSULTANT WE WOULD USE FOR THESE REVIEWS, AND I DON'T RECALL ANY AT THE CITY COUNCIL AS WELL.
I DON'T THINK THIS SHOULD BE A RUSHED PROCESS, UH, WITHOUT OUR USUAL, UH, DILIGENCE IN SELECTING THE PROPER CONSULTANT FOR DOING THIS.
YES, WE ARE OVERDUE FOR THESE REVIEWS, BUT I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE, UH, PURSUED SERIOUSLY WITH THE APPROPRIATE TIME PERIODS INVOLVED.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD JUST OUT OF CONVENIENCE SELECT SOMEONE WHO IS, UM, DOING OTHER WORK FOR THE CITY AT THE PRESENT TIME, PARTICULARLY WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF EXPERIENCE DOING THIS IN THE PAST.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE US CONSIDER ALTERNATE CONSULTANTS JUST AS WE ARE FOR THE SELECTION OF THE OIG.
ANYTHING ELSE, PAULA? WELL, I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT, UH, WE HAVE NO COST ESTIMATE FOR THIS CONSULTANT'S WORK IN DOING THESE REVIEWS.
IS THIS BECAUSE WE'RE WRITING THEM A BLANK CHECK, OR ARE WE GOING TO GET SOME KIND OF A COST BUDGET? I, I, I GUESS THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I CAN ASK.
UH, MAYBE JACK ALLEN WOULD KNOW.
UM, WE GET JACK, WHEN YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CONTRACT, UM, UH, UH, CAROL, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP? YES, WE DID PROVIDE A PROPOSAL AND IT WAS FOR, UM, $45,000.
AND IF YOU WANTED US TO INTERVIEW UP TO 12 ADDITIONAL STAFF MEMBERS, IT WAS AN ADDITIONAL $4,000.
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PROPOSAL, UH, TO THE CITY.WELL, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT AND I SUSPECT OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVEN'T EITHER.
THIS IS JACK ARLAND, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
UH, NINA ARIAS, UH, OUR HR DIRECTOR DID WORK WITH BAKER TILL AND REQUEST THE, UH, PROPOSAL.
UH, WE ALREADY HAD BAKER TILLY UNDER CONTRACT AND THEY PROVIDED, UH, THE COST ESTIMATE FOR DOING THE, THIS ROUND OF REVIEWS, UH, THAT WAS JUST MENTIONED FOR $45,000.
WELL, WHY WASN'T THAT PROPOSAL PROVIDED TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS? IT, IT, IT, IT CAN BE PROVIDED IF, IF IT'S THE DESIRE OF THE COMMITTEE.
UH, THE INFORMATION WAS GATHERED BY STAFF AND, UM, IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, BOTH GPFM AND THIS COMMITTEE WERE READY TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, FOR EXPEDIENCY BY USING A VENDOR THAT WE ALREADY HAD UNDER CONTRACT.
WELL, THAT'S MY CONCERN IS THAT STAFF IS DRIVING THIS PROCESS RATHER THAN THIS COMMITTEE, WHICH IS, I'M SORRY, SIR.
NO, WE UNDERSTOOD FROM, WE UNDERSTOOD FROM COUNCIL AND THE COMMITTEE THAT THIS WAS THE CONSULTANT THAT, UH, THE COUNCIL COMMITTEES WERE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH NOT A STAFF DECISION.
WE'VE NEVER DISCUSSED THAT AT THIS COMMITTEE.
IF I CAN JUST JUMP IN, I'M GONNA SAY THERE WAS A VERY EXTENSIVE, UM, DISCUSSION AND PRESENTATION AT GPFM.
I KNOW YOU'RE NOT ON THAT COMMITTEE, BUT I I DO KNOW THAT IT HAPPENED AND I WAS PART OF THAT, SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION.
THAT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD MS. MENDELSON, BUT THIS IS THE COMMITTEE THAT'S CHARGED WITH THIS PROCESS.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY GPFM WAS UH, INVOLVED IN THIS AT ALL, PARTICULARLY TO THE EXCLUSION OF THIS COMMITTEE.
A-G-P-F-M WAS INVOLVED BECAUSE OF THE PURVIEW OVER THE CITY AUDITOR.
UH, AND AGAIN, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE DIRECTION FROM THE COMMITTEE, HOWEVER YOU WANT US TO PROCEED.
WE THOUGHT WE UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE COMMITTEES WANTED.
IF WE MISUNDERSTOOD THAT, WE CAN DEFINITELY MAKE CHANGES.
BUT IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT BOTH COMMITTEES WERE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BAKER TILLY.
IF WE MISSED THAT, UH, WE CAN, UH, ADJUST ACCORDINGLY.
WELL, I THINK YOU DID MISS THAT.
AND, UH, ARE THERE NOT OTHER CONSULTANTS WHO ARE QUALIFIED TO DO THIS WORK THAT ARE ALREADY UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE CITY? NO, SIR.
THERE ARE OTHER QUALIFIED, UH, FIRMS TO DO THIS, BUT BAKER TILLY IS THE FIRM THAT WE HAVE UNDER CONTRACT FOR OTHER ENGAGEMENTS.
IT'S, IT'S FOR THIS ENGAGEMENT.
THE OTHER ONE THAT'S UNDER CONTRACT FOR THE PERFORMANCE REVIEW OF APPOINTED OFFICIALS.
WHEN DID WE SIGN THAT CONTRACT? WHEN DID THE COUNCIL AUTHORIZE THAT? TOMMY, DO YOU HAVE RECORD OF WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED? UH, AT THE TIME, AT THE TIME, I BELIEVE IT WAS, WHILE TOMMY'S LOOKING THAT UP, I BELIEVE AT THE TIME IT WAS MANAGED PARTNERS.
AND SO IT WAS, I I WANNA SAY, UH, WHAT, 21, 22? SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE, JACK? I THINK SO.
SO THIS COUNCIL HASN'T REVIEWED THIS AT ALL.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ANCIENT HISTORY.
THIS COUNCIL HAS NOT APPROVED A CONTRACT WITH BAKER TILLY FOR THIS MANAGEMENT PROCESS, HAS IT? MANAGEMENT PARTNERS, TO MY UNDERSTANDING WAS, WAS ACQUIRED BY BAKER TILLY.
WELL, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT SOME CONTRACT THEY HAD IN 21 APPLIED HERE IN 25.
WAS THIS A CONTRACT IN PERPETUITY THAT THEY WOULD ALWAYS MANAGE THIS PROCESS? IF SO, THAT POLICY'S GOTTA CHANGE.
WELL, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE CONTRACT, UH, MR. GIBSON THAT YOU SAY WAS ENTERED INTO BETWEEN THE, UH, CITY MANAGER OR CITY GOVERNMENT AND BAKER TILLY FOR THIS YEAR'S PERFORMANCE REVIEWS.
DO YOU HAVE THAT CONTRACT, TOMMY? DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THAT? WHAT WE CAN GET THAT FORWARD.
SO JUST, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I WANT TO ANSWER A A FEW THINGS IF I MAY.
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UH, IT WAS MANAGEMENT PARTNERS THAT WAS, UM, AND, AND I THINK THERE WAS A CONVERSATION AT THE LAST GPFM OF A, A PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL THAT HELPED ASSIST THAT THE CITY ON THESE PERFORMANCE REVIEWS.UH, SINCE THAT TIME, THAT PERSON HAS LEFT AND, UH, BAKER TILLY DID BUY, UM, AND PURCHASE MANAGEMENT PARTNERS.
SO THAT AGREEMENT FALLS UNDER THAT PURVIEW.
WHAT I CAN DO IS, UM, MAKE SURE THE CONTRACT, UM, IS FOR, FOR THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY TO BE SEEN.
WELL, AND WHAT WAS THE TERM OF THAT ORIGINAL CONTRACT? LET, LET ME DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT TERM.
UH, TYPICALLY THE TERMS THAT WE HAVE, UM, CAN RANGE, UM, UP TO THREE YEARS.
SO I'LL DOUBLE CHECK ON EXACTLY WHAT THOSE SPECIFICATIONS ARE UNDER THAT AGREEMENT.
WELL, IF IT'S UP TO THREE YEARS, IT'S BEEN FOUR.
SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THAT CONTRACT IS NOW OUTDATED.
UM, THE INFORMATION WE HAVE IS THE LAST TIME WE DID PERFORMANCE REVIEWS AND, UM, AND PAULA DIDN'T THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR PATIENCE ON THIS.
UM, IS THE LAST TIME WE HAD RECORD IT WAS 2023 ON PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS.
UH, DIRECTOR ARIES WOULD HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT AND UH, WE WILL FOLLOW UP MORE ACCORDINGLY.
SO IF IT'S WITHIN THAT TIME PERIOD, IT SEEMS THAT WE'RE STILL, UM, OKAY WITH THAT AGREEMENT AND THAT AGREEMENT HAS NOT EXPIRED.
WELL, I'LL LEAVE THAT WHEN I SEE THE CONTRACT.
YOU, YOU, YOU DON'T SEEM TO HAVE, NOBODY SEEMS TO HAVE A COPY OF THE CONTRACT AT HAND AND PEOPLE ARE JUST SPECULATING ABOUT ITS TERMS. UM, UNLESS WE HAVE A BINDING CONTRACT WITH BAKER TILLY, UH, TO ENGAGE THEM FOR THIS PROCESS.
I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP THE PROCESS CHAIR.
CAN I JUST CLARIFY WHAT TOMMY SAID? EXCUSE, EXCUSE ME.
UH, ZEL, IT WAS G AND CHAIR WEST, UM, COMMITTEE THAT CAME UP.
AND, AND I'M TRYING TO RECALL, WE DID UNDERSTAND THAT BAKER TILL DID BUY OUT A COMPANY AND THERE WAS A DISCUSSION THERE.
SO I'M TRYING TO NOT GET IN THE WEEDS.
SO ZEL, UH, THERE'S A PRESENTATION THAT WENT TO, UH, CHAIRMAN WEST COMMITTEE.
UH, I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH JACK ALLEN, YOU KNOW, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT COMMITTEE GET WHAT AND, AND, AND, AND THE REASON WHY THE CITY, THE AUDITOR WENT THERE BECAUSE OF, BASED ON THE CHARTER REVIEW, I THINK BASED ON THE CHARTER, IT HAD TO GO TO THAT COMMITTEE.
AND, AND, AND ME AND CHAD SAID HE WOULD LOOK AT THAT.
SO I'M TRYING TO, I DON'T KNOW THE DATES WE ASKING FOR PAUL, BUT I KNOW IT WAS, IT WAS SOMETHING DISCUSSED.
SO ZEL, CAN YOU CHIME IN BECAUSE THERE WAS A, A ITEM IN G-F-G-F-M-G-F-M-Y.
UH, ZEL GIBSON CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
SO ON DECEMBER THE 10TH AT THE GOVERNMENT PERFORMANCE AND FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT, UH, COMMITTEE, UH, NINA S OUR, UH, HR DIRECTOR PRESENTED TO THAT COMMITTEE, UH, THE APPOINTED, UH, OFFICIAL PERFORMANCE REVIEW PROCESS THAT WAS SLATED FOR A DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE CITY AUDITOR.
AND THAT BRIEFING HASS BEEN POSTED IN THAT BRIEFING.
IT SHARED A COUPLE OF SLIDES THAT SAID IN MAY OF 2021 BY ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION, UH, RIGHT AT $45,800, THE INITIAL, UH, AUTHORIZATION WAS GIVEN, UH, FOR MANAGEMENT PARTNERS.
AND THEN THERE WAS A LATER ACTION IN DECEMBER OF 2022 THAT COUNCIL TOOK WHERE THEY ADDED ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT'S STILL AVAILABLE TODAY.
AND THE, IT WAS ON A CONTRACT EXTENSION ADMINISTRATIVELY DONE, UH, IN JULY OF 24.
SO THERE'S CURRENTLY $133,000 STILL LEFT ON THIS EXISTING CONTRACT AS WAS BRIEFED ON DECEMBER THE 10TH TO GPFM.
AT THE TIME AT GPFM, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION, UH, THAT WAS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE WORK THAT WOULD BE DONE BETWEEN COMMITTEES.
UH, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM, BUT, UH, THAT DISCUSSION WAS, THERE WAS GONNA BE A SPLIT.
BAKER TILLY WOULD, STAFF'S UNDERSTANDING, EXCUSE ME, THAT BAKER TILLY, BECAUSE OF THE DESIRE FOR COUNCIL TO MOVE QUICKLY, WE WOULD USE THE EXISTING CONTRACT WITH BAKER TILLY AND THAT GPFM WOULD TAKE ON THE CITY AUDITOR AND THAT ADMINISTRATIVE AFFAIRS, UH, AD HOC COMMITTEE WOULD TAKE ON ALL THE OTHER APPOINTED OFFICIALS.
WELL, THAT'S FINE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING.
WE'RE DEFERRING TO GPFM BECAUSE THEY HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE AUDITOR, BUT NO ONE'S RECOGNIZING THAT THIS COMMITTEE HAS RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE OTHER FIVE APPOINTEES.
SO WHY ARE WE BEING CUT OUT OF THIS PROCESS?
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SO, UH, UH, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT, UM, FEEDBACK FROM THE, THE MAYOR PRO TIM HERE AS WELL.WE HAD AN EXISTING CONTRACT AND AS JACK MENTIONED EARLIER, TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, THERE WAS NO FORMAL REQUEST AT GPFM OR AT THE LAST AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT REQUESTED FOR STAFF TO GO DO A NEW PROCUREMENT AND NOT USE THE EXISTING CONTRACT.
SO, AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA.
IT WAS ON THE AGENDA AT GPFM, BUT NOT THIS COMMITTEE, DENZEL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
WE'RE BEING CUT OUT OF THIS PROCESS.
UH, JACK, UH, NUMBER ONE, UH, IN CONTRACT RELATED TO, UM, THE COMMITTEE, UM, THERE IS ONE COMMITTEE THAT IS BY CHARTER REVIEW THAT WE GOT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT IS THAT COMMITTEE THAT CHAIRMAN WEST THERE.
I KNOW THAT I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH YOU, JACK, AND WHEN WE SAID, HEY, THIS AUDIT IS GONNA GO HERE, THE OTHER PART GONNA GO TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, BUT THE, UM, CHAIRMAN WEST SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, SINCE THIS IS A CHARTER, UH, QUESTION TO THE AUDIT, THE ORDER TO GO THERE, WE DISCUSSED THAT.
BUT SINCE WE DO HAVE A CONTRACT, IS I, I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE, IS BAKER TILL IS QUALIFIED TO DO THE WORK, UH, DID NOT QUALIFY TO DO THE WORK.
AND, AND, AND, AND I DON'T GET HUNG UP, IS THAT IF WE HAD TO GO TO ANOTHER PROCUREMENT, HOW LONG YOU GONNA TAKE BEFORE WE GET BACK TO SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO GET DONE? SO WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TODAY.
THIS IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DOING TODAY.
THIS IS A DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET DONE AND NOT A RECOMMENDATION.
AND, AND SO DON SAID YOU WANNA EXPLAIN THAT.
SO MAKE SURE WE PERFECTLY CLEAR, SIR.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
COUNCILMAN RIDLEY, I, I APPRECIATE, UH, THE, THE FEEDBACK.
I WAS LOOKING FOR MY DATES WHILE I WAS TALKING SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE EVERYTHING FOR THE RECORD PROPERLY.
SO THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE AD HOC COMMITTEE MEETINGS, UH, IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER.
I THINK WE HAD ONE ON THE, UH, 19TH AND THE 23RD, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
ANYWAY, ON DECEMBER THE 12TH, THE SAME BRIEFING THAT WAS PROVIDED TO GPFM WAS PROVIDED TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON DECEMBER THE 12TH.
AND I CAN SHARE THAT AGENDA AND THOSE SAME BRIEFING MATERIALS WITH YOU.
BUT IT CAME TO THIS COMMITTEE ON DECEMBER THE 12TH.
AND PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT TOOK PLACE, THERE WAS, UH, SENTIMENT THAT SUGGESTED THAT FOR THE SAKE THAT WE HAD AN EXISTING CONTRACT AND COUNCIL'S DESIRE FOR SPEED AND NOT TO PROLONG IT WITH A POTENTIAL PROCUREMENT THAT STAFF'S, UH, UNDERSTANDING IT WAS COUNCIL'S INTENT THAT THEY WANTED US TO USE THE EXISTING CONTRACT.
WELL, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHERE THAT'S DOCUMENTED.
'CAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER ANY DISCUSSION AT THE FULL COUNCIL ABOUT WANTING TO USE THIS CONTRACT FOR THIS PURPOSE.
SO WHEN DID THAT DISCUSSION OCCUR AT THE FULL COUNCIL? OKAY.
SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS, NUMBER ONE, WE WILL GET BACK TO THE DETAILS.
SO LET'S, UH, PUT THAT IN A PARKING LOT, ZEL, WE WILL GET ALL THE BACKGROUND AND, AND JACK, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, FOR THAT ISSUE RIGHT THERE.
SO I DON'T GET WITH CHAIRMAN STEWART.
CHAIRWOMAN STEWART, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
YEAH, NO, I'M JUST MOVING SLOW THIS MORNING.
UM,
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY IS PUSHING US TO DO, WHICH I THINK IS CORRECT.
I THINK WE, WE SHOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, I'M ASSUMING AT THIS POINT, AND THEN HAVE COUNCIL VOTE.
UM, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT DECISION.
UH, WE'VE LET A LOT OF TIME LAPSE AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THESE REVIEWS DONE.
IF THIS IS THE WAY WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD, I THINK THAT'S FINE.
BUT IF WE, I I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH IN THIS.
AND I, I DON'T, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THE MEASURABLE RESULTS AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE LIMITED TO, UM, HAVING THOSE MEASURABLE RESULTS EVALUATED IN THE NEXT REVIEW AND NOT IN THIS REVIEW.
I DO BELIEVE WE CAN FIND SOME,
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SOME, UM, ITEMS THAT WE CAN MEASURE LOOKING, LOOKING BACKWARD, LOOKING OVER, YOU KNOW, THE PAST 12 MONTHS OR WHATEVER.I DON'T EVEN KNOW EXACTLY WHAT, UM, THE SPAN OF TIME IS FOR THESE.
'CAUSE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE NOT BEEN IN, HAVE, HAVE BEEN INTERIM FOR A WHILE.
SO I JUST THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE LACKING SOME CLARITY.
ON SEVERAL ITEMS. UM, I WOULD JUST ASK MS. UM, STEWART, UM, UH, WE GOT ATTORNEY HERE, SO WE GETTING KINDA OFF AGENDA.
JERMAINE, SO BERT, COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN, BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT ATTORNEY HERE, SO I'M TRYING TO, I'M TALKING TO MY COLLEAGUES.
WELL, YOU JUST WHISTLE MY EAR, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOW, UM, WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND SO THERE'S THE SUBJECT MATTER, BURT VANDENBERG, UH, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
THE AGENDA ITEM IS CITY COUN, OR I'M SORRY, THE CITY COUNCIL APPOINTED POSITIONS PERFORMANCE REVIEW PROCESS FOR THE, FOR THE, THE APPOINTED POSITIONS.
IF THEY, IF WE, IF YOU GUYS NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHO IS UNDER CONTRACT AND WHAT THE CONTRACT IS AND IF THEY NEED, IF THEY NEED A NEW SEARCH FIRM, THAT SHOULD BE POSTED ON THE NEXT AGENDA.
UH, SO YOU GUYS CAN HAVE A FREE CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.
BUT REALLY THIS IS JUST ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE, UH, REVIEW PROCESS.
AND, AND I, AND THAT WAS, IT HAD GONE INTO A DISCUSSION OF BAKER TILLY AND WHICH CONTRACT, ET CETERA.
SO CAN YOU GIMME AN EXAMPLE OF, GO AHEAD.
COULD I, COULD I GET AN EXAMPLE THEN FROM BERT? UM, WHAT, GIMME AN IDEA OF WHAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT, BECAUSE I, FROM, TO ME, THESE ARE INTERRELATED AND I, I UNDERSTAND, I DON'T HAVE YOUR PERSPECTIVE.
SO WHAT IS IT? WE CAN DISCUSS HOW OFTEN THE REVIEW SHOULD BE, WHAT THE METRICS SHOULD BE, WHO SHOULD BE DOING IT, UH, AND WITH THE, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT THE ACTUAL SEARCH FOR, OR THE ACTUAL FIRM DOING THE PERFORMANCE REVIEW, THAT CONTRACT AND WHO'S BEEN CHOSEN TO DO IT IS EITHER ALREADY DECIDED OR SHOULD BE PUT ON A LATER AGENDA TO DISCUSS FREELY ABOUT THAT TOPIC.
THE, THE PERFORMANCE REVIEW PROCESS.
YOU GUYS SHOULD TALK ABOUT THE, UM, THE ASSOCIATED ENTITY THAT'S DOING IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.
SO I GUESS MY, UM, PREFERENCE AT THIS POINT THEN WOULD BE TO SET A TIME WHERE WE COULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
'CAUSE I JUST DON'T THINK WE HAVE CLARITY ON THAT.
AND I, I KNOW, I KNOW WE TOUCHED ON IT AND I, AND I, SO I CAN UNDERSTAND MAYBE WHY STAFF TOOK THAT AND DECIDED THAT WE WERE READY TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.
BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THIS COMMITTEE REALLY DELIBERATED THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE CONTRACT AND MADE A FORMAL DECISION ABOUT HOW TO MOVE FORWARD, AGREED WITH MS. STEWART.
SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS, UM, AND, AND LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS DISCUSSION RIGHT HERE TO TRY TO AIR EVERYTHING OUT.
WE DON'T WANNA RUSH EVERYTHING THROUGH AND WE CAN COME BACK AND SET ANOTHER AGENDA, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL, WITH THE COMMITTEE AND DISCUSS THAT ITEM SEPARATELY.
SO, UM, I'LL GIVE YOU THE COURTESY THAT WE WOULD DO THAT.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TRANSPARENT IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, UH, WITH THAT.
IS THAT YOUR LAST QUESTION? YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE, MS. STEWART? CHAIRMAN? UM, NO, NOT ON.
WELL WHAT ABOUT THE, THE, THE MEASURABLE RESULTS ON THE METRICS? I'M ASSUMING WE CAN DISCUSS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? THE MEASUREMENT? UM, FOR, FOR THIS REVIEW THAT'S THIS, WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSED THE MEASUREMENT BECAUSE ON THE COURSE, UH, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN DISCUSSION ITEM D GOAL, PERFORM REVIEW AND MEASURING TIMELINE AND SCHEDULE.
UH, THAT SHOULD BE, UH, IT'S NOT TIMELINE AND SCHEDULE, RIGHT? IT'S REALLY, UH, UH, BERT, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.
YES, WE CAN DIS YES, WE CAN DISCUSS THE YEAH.
WHAT WE'RE MEASURING IN THIS CURRENT REVIEW.
WELL, OKAY, I THINK MR. MORENOS OKAY.
SHE CHAIRMAN MORENO, THANK YOU CHAIR.
UH, AND THANKS FOR DRIVING IN FOR THE BENEFIT OF US ALL TO BE ABLE TO BE ON THIS CALL TODAY.
UM, FIRST QUESTION FOR ME IS GOING TO BE, WELL FIRST WHEN I APOLOGIZE TO OUR STAFF FOR NOT, UH, GIVING THEM THE REVIEWS THAT THEY, UH, DESERVE, UM, I THINK IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE SET GOALS, UH, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MEASURE.
OKAY? AND THAT'S WHERE I DO FEEL THAT WE MIGHT NEED SOME ASSISTANCE FROM AN OUTSIDE FIRM ON HOW WE DETERMINE IF OUR STAFF IS MEETING THE OBJECTIVES, ARE MEETING THE GOALS,
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ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE 15 DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND INDIVIDUALS IF THEY ARE HITTING THOSE TARGETS.SO IF MAYBE, UM, CAROL CAN ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON HOW PER FIRM CAN HELP DETERMINE WHETHER OUR STAFF IS MEETING THE GOAL SET BEFORE THEM.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S, THAT'S HARD TO DO, RIGHT? IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD GOALS AND METRICS BEFORE, IT'S HARD TO EVALUATE SOMEBODY AGAINST THOSE GOALS IF THOSE WERE NEVER ESTABLISHED.
SO I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS STEVE SAID KIND OF GOTTA MOVE FORWARD.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T EVALUATE THE PERFORMANCE, THE PRIOR PERFORMANCE, RIGHT? WE CAN LOOK, YOU CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THE PRIOR PERFORMANCE.
YOU ALL CAN PROVIDE YOUR INPUT AS TO WHAT, WHAT WORKED WELL, WHAT DIDN'T WORK WELL, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE AND, AND WHAT YOU, WHAT'S MISSING OR WHAT'S, WHAT'S, WHAT THIS PERSON IS DOING REALLY WELL, SO WE CAN EVALUATE THAT PAST PERFORMANCE.
BUT UNLESS YOU ALL HAVE A PIECE OF PAPER THAT SAYS, THESE WERE YOUR FIVE GOALS AND THESE ARE WHAT WE'RE MEASURING YOU ON, THAT PAST PERFORMANCE IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING TOO, UM, EVALUATE.
AND I THINK WHAT STEVE WAS TRYING TO SAY IS, LOOK MOVING FORWARD, WE CAN HELP YOU ESTABLISH THOSE GOALS.
WHAT SHOULD A CITY MANAGER BE DOING? YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DONE OVER 140 OF THESE, WE UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE BASICS OF CITY MANAGEMENT.
AND THEN WE WANNA TAKE INTO WHAT ARE THE UNIQUE, THE UNIQUE ASPECTS OF DALLAS.
SO IN TALKING WITH ALL OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE WOULD ESTABLISH, WE COULD HELP YOU ESTABLISH GOALS, THE METRICS FOR THOSE GOALS.
AND, UM, AND THAT WOULD GIVE YOU, THAT COULD ESTABLISH A LONG-TERM PROCESS FOR YOU ALL.
SO THAT YEAR OVER YEAR YOU CAN CHANGE GOALS AS GOALS GET ACCOMPLISHED, ADD AND DELETE.
BUT YOU CAN HAVE AN ACTUAL MEASUREMENT OF GOALS.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IS IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY HARD FOR COUNCILS WITHOUT A FACILITATOR TO SET THOSE UP, RIGHT? THERE'S, THERE'S THIS COMMITTEE, BUT YOU HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF COLLEAGUES WHO HAVEN'T HAD THIS CONVERSATION YET AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOME INPUT AS WELL.
AND SO I THINK WHAT OUR FIRM CAN DO FOR YOU IS WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY, DEVELOP A SET OF GOALS THAT, THAT WE THEN WE CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT EACH OF THE GOALS SO THAT YOU ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT OUR APPOINTEES TO DO IN THE NEXT YEAR.
AND THEN WE HAVE, AND WE HAVE ESTABLISHED METRICS AGAINST THOSE, AND THEN WE BRING THE APPOINTEE IN AND WE SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH THEM.
DOES THAT HELP? THAT'S HELPFUL.
AND, AND WHAT, I GUESS WHAT I'M ALLUDING TO IS, UH, A LOT OF THE GOALS CAN BE, UM, SUBJECTIVE IF THEY WERE MET OR NOT.
AND SO MY HOPE WOULD BE THAT WE GET GUIDANCE ON DATA AND, AND, UH, NUMBERS ON DID SOMEONE ACTUALLY ACHIEVE, UM, FOR, FOR INSTANCE, HOMELESSNESS.
DID WE GET, DID WE GET A TRUE REDUCTION IN HOMELESSNESS? UH, AND WHAT DATA ARE WE USING? UM, SECOND IS TOMMY.
UM, HAVE YOU HAD SOME TIME TO GO BACK? AND I KNOW YOU GAVE NUM UH, DATES OF, UH, 2003, BUT, UH, SORRY, 2023.
UH, BUT DO YOU HAVE SPECIFIC MONTHS FOR THOSE, UH, UH, EVALUATIONS? UM, STAFF WANNA HAVE THE RECORD OF THOSE DATES OF THOSE EVALUATIONS? UM, I BELIEVE, UH, DIRECTOR NINA DOES, THAT WAS DONE UNDER, UM, OBVIOUSLY UNDER THE PURVIEW OF, OF THAT IN THE COMMITTEE.
UM, WE DO ONLY HAVE THE DATES OF 2023, UM, ONCE, UH, DIRECTOR NINA, UH, ARIES IS BACK NEXT WEEK, UM, SHOULD WE HAVE ABLE TO BUY THOSE SPECIFIC DATES.
AND THEN A QUESTION FOR, UM, CAROL, IS, UM, HOW MANY OTHER CITIES DO Y'ALL WORK WITH THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A CITY MANAGER SEARCH AND ARE ALSO HELPING IN THE EVALUATION PROCESS? AND IS THAT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WHEN SOMEONE, UH, HELPED EMPLOYED A CITY MANAGER AND THAT CONTRACT CONTRACT EXTENDS TO THEIR, UM, IF THE COUNCIL KEEPS THAT CITY MANAGER ON FOR A YEAR OR TWO? I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME, UH, CLAUSES AND THOSE CONTRACTS, AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THIS IS NORMAL FOR A CONSULTANT TO HAVE BOTH THE HIRING AND THE EVALUATION, UH, UNDER ONE PORTFOLIO? THAT IS A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
UM, I THINK YOU WOULD BE THE FIRST, UM, AS THE EXECUTIVE SEARCH GROUP, WE HAVE A
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OBLIGATION TO GET YOU THE BEST CANDIDATE FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE POSITION, OBVIOUSLY.UM, BUT WE'RE ALSO TWO, TWO SETS OF PE TWO SETS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE DIFFERENT, RIGHT? SO STEVE HASN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM WITH THE DALLAS RECRUITMENT.
HE DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
UM, AND HE IS GONNA BE THE PRIMARY POINT OF CONTACT FOR YOU ON THIS.
UM, BUT WHEN YOU HIRE US, OR IF YOU HIRE US, I SHOULD SAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, WE, YOU ARE OUR CLIENT, THE COUNSEL IS OUR CLIENT AND THE MANAGER AND THE APPOINTEES ARE SECONDARY TO THAT.
AND SO IT'S OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR WISHES FOR THE PERFORMANCE OF THOSE APPOINTEES IS MET AND IS ESTABLISHED AND IS CLEAR AND CONCISE, AND THAT YOU CAN COME BACK A YEAR LATER WITH MEASURABLE RESULTS AND SAY, IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, 5,000 HOMELESS, THE GOAL IS TO HAVE 4,000 HOMELESS, RIGHT? SO THERE'S SOMETHING CLEAR, AND THEN, AND THEN HERE'S THE DATA THAT WE USE TO MEASURE THAT, RIGHT? AND SO WE WOULD HAVE GOALS FOR ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU.
UM, SO I, I DO NOT BELIEVE WE'VE DONE BOTH BEFORE.
I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT OUR RECORDS.
UM, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, UM, YOU WOULD BE THE FIRST, BUT I, I DON'T THINK IT'S A CONFLICT.
BUT OBVIOUSLY IF YOU DO, THEN, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT THE RIGHT FIRM FOR THIS.
THANK YOU CHAIR MS. MENISON, ROUND TWO.
I THINK THAT COUNCIL MEMBER RENO BRINGS UP AN IMPORTANT POINT ABOUT THERE BEING A CONFLICT WITH THEIR GUARANTEE FOR THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER WITH DOING THE REVIEW.
UM, I, I SUPPORT ACTUALLY, UM, WHAT COUNCILOR RIDLEY HAS SAID ABOUT HAVING THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT HIRING THE CONSULTANTS AND AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART ABOUT BRINGING THIS BACK FOR THE COMMITTEE TO EVALUATE.
UM, AND I JUST ALSO LIKE TO REMIND THAT THERE ARE COLLABORATIVES THAT WE'RE ALREADY A PART OF THAT HAVE OTHER FIRMS THAT ARE ALREADY, THAT HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH A PROCUREMENT PROCESS.
THERE'S NO PROCUREMENT PROCESS THAT'S NEEDED.
THERE'S JUST AN INTERVIEWING OF FIRMS THAT'S NEEDED.
SO, UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT PART.
THE SECOND THING IS, UM, BERT WAS WEIGHING IN FROM THE CITY'S ATTORNEY OFFICE ABOUT THE AGENDA ITEM.
AND THE AGENDA ITEM SAYS THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS AND DOESN'T THE PROCESS BEGIN WITH THE FIRM? ISN'T THAT PART OF THE PROCESS? THIS SEEMS LIKE A LOGICAL PART OF THIS DISCUSSION.
BURKE, YOU WANNA ASK THAT QUESTION, MR. CHAIR? THE ITEM IS A PRESENTATION BY BAKER TILLY TALKING ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE REVIEW PROCESS.
THEREFORE, BAKER TILLY WOULD'VE ALREADY BEEN CHOSEN AND THEY WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT COMES AFTER, WHICH IS THE PERFORMANCE REVIEW PROCESS.
AGAIN, IT SHOULD, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO PUT IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
THAT WOULD BE ON ANOTHER AGENDA.
WELL, I WILL SAY, I THINK IT'S AWKWARD THAT BACON CHILI IS ON THE CALL,
UM, IN ALL FAIRNESS, UM, SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FIRMS SUBMIT TO US, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN GENERAL, SO I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A PROCUREMENT PROCESS OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THEIR BODY OF WORK WITH HAVING MEASURABLE RESULTS.
MEANING I DON'T NEED TO SEE PERFORMANCE REVIEWS THAT THEY ASSIST WITH OTHERS.
BUT I WANNA SEE THE ACTUAL FRAMEWORK.
SO COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO GAVE AN EXAMPLE ABOUT HOMELESSNESS.
WE COULD GIVE LOTS OF DIFFERENT EXAMPLES, BUT WHAT ARE THEY MEASURING AND HOW IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WOULD BE OUR SAME MEASUREMENT, OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT DOES GO TO THE SPECIFICITY OF WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO GO TO.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD A GROUP FOR MANY YEARS, AND I'LL JUST TELL YOU I'M UNSATISFIED WITH THE GUIDANCE THEY'VE PROVIDED AND TRYING TO GET TO ANYTHING MEASURABLE AND SPEC AND, AND SPECIFIC, AND WHAT'S HAPPENED IS IT'S ACTUALLY CREATED DIVISION ON OUR COUNCIL BECAUSE IT IS SO SUBJECTIVE AND SO PERSONALITY DRIVEN AND ALLIANCE DRIVEN AS OPPOSED TO ACTUALLY EVALUATING PERFORMANCE AND OUTCOMES AND ANYTHING THAT'S TRULY MEASURABLE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN CONTINUING THIS, UM, ONGOING POPULARITY CONTEST OF, OF COP STAFF.
WE NEED PEOPLE WHO CAN GET THE JOB DONE,
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AND IF YOU WANNA GO HAVE A BEER WITH THEM, GREAT, BUT THAT'S REALLY NOT WHAT THE JOB IS,AND THE, THE, THE NEED FOR IT IS GREAT.
AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE FEELING IS SOME PUSHBACK THAT LIKE, WOW, WE'RE GONNA GO DOWN THE SAME PATH THE SAME WAY AGAIN AND TRY TO GET SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND IT'S NOT LIKELY TO HAPPEN.
SO WITH THIS MEETING, I'M WONDERING, ARE YOU NOW CHARGING US TO COME UP WITH WHAT THE MEASURABLE ITEMS WOULD BE? IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE DOING AS HOMEWORK AND IS THERE A FRAMEWORK FOR THAT? UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'M JUST NOT SURE WHAT WAS THIS JUST A GENERAL DISCUSSION.
I MEAN, LIKE, WHAT ARE WE, WE TRYING TO GET OUT? WHAT, WHAT WE ARE HERE TODAY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE AGENDA AND YOU LOOK AT D AND THAT'S WHAT WE DOING, WE DISCUSSING THE PERFORMANCE REVIEW MEASURE TIMELINE SCHEDULE FOR THE ANNUAL EVALUATION.
UH, WE NOT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION, WE DISCUSSING, WE TRYING THIS THE FIRST TIME WE HAD AN OPEN DIALOGUE.
AND SO ONLY TRYING TO GET OPEN DIALOGUE FROM EVERYONE.
AND, AND THAT'S WHY, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT A, A GEN GO WITH D AND YOU LOOK AT B, B GEN GO WITH C OR WITH DISCUSSION, WE HAD AN OPEN DIALOGUE.
WE'RE NOT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION OR ANYTHING.
UH, UH, IT SAID CONSIDER A RECOMMENDED FOR THE, THE I, THE INSPECTOR GENERAL.
THAT'S ALL IT SAID, UH, ON THIS AGENDA ITEM.
SO RIGHT NOW, THIS WHY WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR ME TO NOT TO DELAY THIS AGENDA ITEM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOT HAVE A FULLY DISCUSSION OF SOMETHING THAT'S JUST VERY IMPORTANT AND WE SHOULD HAVE THIS DONE A LONG TIME AGO.
AND WHEN I REALIZED THAT THIS N HAD BEEN DONE AND I COULD NOT WAIT, AND I SAID THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST THING I DO, THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, UH, BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT DONE IT.
WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS A LONG TIME AGO.
AND WE, AND THIS COMMITTEE, UH, HAD OTHER THINGS TRYING TO DO, UH, WITH, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH, UM, THE CITY MANAGER, THE SEARCH AND ALL OF THAT.
THERE IS NO EXCUSE ON THE CHAIRMAN PART.
BUT ALSO I WANNA MAKE SURE THE COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO I, I'M JUST HERE JUST TRYING TO LEAD A, A, A CONVERSATION, A DISCUSSION, HOW WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE RIGHT WAY AND THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO GO BACK AND RETRACT OUR MARKS AGAIN, YOU KNOW, SLOW DOWN, LET'S GET IT RIGHT AND MOVE FORWARD.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE TRYING TO DO TODAY.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M DOWN HERE AT CITY HALL TO SAY, HEY, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME TO GET THIS RIGHT.
AND, AND YES, AND IN THIS DISCUSSION.
SO, SO I GUESS I WANNA CLARIFY, UM, TOMMY, YOU, YOU MENTIONED, OH, 2023 WAS THE LAST PERFORMANCE REVIEW, BUT YOU DIDN'T GIVE A MONTH.
I'M LOOKING FOR THE MONTH OR DATE EVEN FOR EACH OF THOSE POSITIONS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS DECEMBER 31ST, 2023, THEN WE'RE 12 MONTHS, 12 AND A HALF MONTHS.
IF IT WAS JANUARY 1ST, WERE 24 MONTHS.
THIS IS A VERY BIG DIFFERENCE.
AND SO DID YOU HAVE THOSE PERFORMANCE REVIEW DATES? NO.
HR HAS NOT PROVIDED THE PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS OR THE DETAILS OR THE MEASURABLE RESULTS.
BUT WHY NOT? UH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE WITH, UH, DIRECTOR NINA ARIES AND OBVIOUSLY THE WORK THAT SHE'S DONE WITH THE EXECUTIVE SESSION EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT DETAILED INFORMATION.
UH, SO WE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH DIRECTOR WHEN SHE RETURNS TO SEE IF WE HAVE THAT DETAILED DATES TO PROVIDE TO YOU.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE IT TODAY.
I, I BELIEVE IN MS. MENISON, YOU KNOW, IN ALL WE GOTTA GO TO THE NEGATIVE AGENDA AND I GOTTA GET WITH, WE SHARE, I GOT, LET ME FINISH MY DEAL IS NUMBER ONE TO ME THAT STAFF AND EVERYONE IS NOT LIKE I MYSELF, YOU KNOW, 24 7, LIKE YOU YOURSELF WEARING 24 7 AND, AND, AND, AND I KNOW TO SAY THE HARD AND CLOSED, BUT IF THERE ARE PEOPLE NOT, WHO CAN'T GET US THE RIGHT INFORMATION, I DON'T WANT HIM TO SAY, HE KNOW HE CAN'T GET IT.
IF HE CAN'T GET IT, HE CAN'T GET IT.
BUT, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I WOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER AGENDA, ANOTHER, UM, COMMITTEE MEETING ON THIS SUBJECT MATTER.
SO JUST HOLD ALL YOUR THOUGHT 'CAUSE WE DON'T GET EVERYTHING RESOLVED TODAY, BUT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE THIS MEETING THIS MORNING TO, TO KNOW HOW WE GO FORWARD.
UM, WE DO HAVE, OKAY, RIGHT NOW, UH, UH, YES, UH, WE JUST GOT SOMETHING FROM, UM, ZEL HERE.
MS. MENEN, I THINK I HAVE SOME OF THE ANSWERS THAT
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THE COMMITTEE'S BEEN ASKING FOR RELATED TO THE LAST TIME THAT SOME OF THE APPOINTED OFFICIALS RECEIVED THEIR REVIEW.OBVIOUSLY THE IG IS NOT APPLICABLE.
NEW POSITION, OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER, NOT APPLICABLE, UH, OUR CITY ATTORNEY, BUT IT IS APPLICABLE TO KNOW THE LAST TIME WE HAD INTER WE HAD DONE TCS REVIEW.
IT'S BEEN, IT, IT WAS TCS REVIEW WAS GREATER THAN THREE YEARS AGO.
IT WAS THE LAST INFORMATION THAT I HAVE.
AGAIN, SPECIFICALLY, I'M LOOKING FOR THE DATE, PLEASE.
I DON'T, WE, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE DATES.
SO I, I GOT, I GOT ANOTHER, UH, BRIEFING THAT EXCUSE.
I'M, I'M GONNA SKIP HOLD, HOLD MILLER.
I HAVE SOMETHING THAT I GOTTA, ON THE PRESENTATION, WE GOT A HARD STOP FROM ANOTHER, UH, PEOPLE, UM, WHO HAVE BEEN ON CALL FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF.
I KNOW I DON'T WANNA RUSH ANYTHING, BUT SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS I CAN'T ANSWER FOR YOU RIGHT NOW.
SO I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO DISCUSSION.
SO I WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT BRIEFING.
WE HAD ENOUGH TIME, I COULD COME BACK TO YOU AFTER WE GET THROUGH THIS OTHER BRIEFING AND, AND THIS, SO CHAIR, I'M NOT GONNA ASK ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE THIS STATEMENT.
WE'RE HAVING, WE'RE HAVING A MEETING TO TALK ABOUT PERFORMANCE REVIEW AND WE'VE HAD THIS MEETING WITHOUT A CONTRACT OF THE SEARCH FIRM, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE THE SEARCH FIRM ON THE CALL AND, AND THE REVIEW TEAM, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL THEM.
AND WE DON'T HAVE THE REVIEW DATES.
AND I'M JUST GONNA SAY THIS IS NOT THE KIND OF STAFF PREPARATION I WOULD'VE EXPECTED.
YOU KNOW, UM, NUMBER ONE, UH, STAFF IS HERE TODAY AND, AND, AND I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR COMING HERE THROUGH THE WEATHER.
A WHOLE LOT OF STAFF DIDN'T SHOW UP TODAY, SO, SO THEREFORE, I, I'M GONNA GIVE 'EM A COOLER FOR THEM BECAUSE, UH, I SHOWED UP HERE THIS MORNING TO MAKE SURE THE WEATHER AND, AND, UH, I KNOW BILL RAY, HER LAST, UH, REVIEW WAS 8 23.
2222, UH, MARK, UH, TAMMY PALINA WAS 10 11 20 23.
SHE WAS APPOINTED, SHE WAS APPOINTED THEN.
NO REVIEW, BUT NO REVIEW SINCE THEN.
SO WE WILL GET ALL THIS TO YOU BEFORE THE END OF THE DAY BEFORE I LEAVE.
WE'LL GET THIS TO YOU, THE INFORMATION TO MAKE SURE.
SO, SO WITH OKAY, WITH THAT, UM, MS. WILLIS.
I GOTTA GET TO THIS NEXT BRIEFING AND, AND, AND NOT CUT NO ONE OUT.
I WOULD LOVE TO GET BACK TO THIS, BUT WE GOT ON THIS NEXT BRIEFING, WE GOT, SOMEONE GOT A HARD STOP BECAUSE THEY, THEY SAID THEY HAVE AN HOUR AND A HALF AND, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE, THE PRESENTATION WE GOTTA HAVE FOR B AND KORN FERRIS.
SO IF, IF, IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN, UH, GO AHEAD AND BE REAL SHORT AND GET WITH THE PRESENTATION AT THE END, WE'LL COME BACK.
I WANT TO COME BACK, YOU KNOW, TO DO THIS, PAUL, REAL QUICK THEN.
MS. GAY WILLIS, YOU PAUL, REAL QUICK.
UM, MR. CHAIR, I'M VERY PLEASED TO HEAR THAT YOUR ORIENTATION TOWARD THIS WHOLE EFFORT AT PERFORMANCE REVIEWS HAS SUBTLY CHANGED DURING THE COURSE OF OUR DISCUSSION FROM EXPEDITING THIS PROCESS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE TO ONE OF GETTING IT RIGHT AND UNDER THE HIGHLY RESTRICTIVE INTERPRETATION BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO THIS AGENDA ITEM, ALL THIS AGENDA ITEM PERMITS IS A PRESENTATION BY BAKER TILLY, WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY HEARD.
NOW THE DISCUSSION IS BLEEDING OVER INTO AGENDA ITEM DI SUBMIT THAT WE HOLD FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PROCESS UNTIL THE PROPER AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS D AND ALSO REQUEST THAT THE CHAIR SCHEDULE AT A FUTURE MEETING OF THIS COMMITTEE, AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS WHAT THE PROCESS IN TERMS OF THE CONSULTANT WHO WILL FACILITATE THE REVIEW PROCESS BE, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE AN OPEN AND FRANK DISCUSSION ABOUT WHO WE WANT INVOLVED IN THAT ROLE.
OKAY, MS. I'M NOT CUTTING OUT REAL QUICK MS. WILLIS, SO WE GET TO THE NEXT SURE, GO AHEAD.
I WAS JUST GONNA OFFER SOME INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE COMMITTEE.
I HOPE SO, THE CLOSED SESSION DELIBERATIONS THAT WE CAME OUT OF AND THEN, UM, GAVE, UH, RAISES TO MOST OF THE STAFF WAS ON AUGUST 23RD, 2022.
AND SO, UH, WE HAD DEFERRED THE CITY ATTORNEY, CHRIS QUESO AT THAT TIME BECAUSE WE WANTED TO HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION AROUND THAT.
BUT ALL OF THE OTHERS WERE DELIBERATED ON ENCLOSED SESSION ON AUGUST 23RD, 2022.
AND THAT WAS OF COURSE, AFTER INTERVIEWS WERE DONE WITH INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS AND WITH THE, UH, EMPLOYEES.
AND THEN WE, WE HAD THEM IN THE MEETING AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
AND THEN IN NOVEMBER, 2022, THE FULL COUNCIL
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AND MAYOR WAS SENT A MEMO BY CITY MANAGER BROAD DECKS WITH THE GOALS HE OUTLINED BASED ON THE FEEDBACK HE HAD BEEN GIVEN IN THAT MEETING BY COUNSEL.AND SO HE DID TAKE THE FEEDBACK AND COME BACK WITH A MEMO TO ALL OF COUNSEL THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED IN NOVEMBER, 2022.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UM, COUNCIL WARREN WILLIS FOR GETTING INFORMATION AND, AND, AND PLEASE, UH, ZEL MAKE SURE WE HAD INFORMATION, WE GET THAT TO ALL THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS, SO I THINK THEY'RE VERY IMPORTANT WITH THOSE DATES.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA GO TO THE B REAL QUICK, THE PRESENT PRESENTATION OF RECRUITING FOR THE FIRM REGARDING SEARCH FOR THE IG.
SO CAN WE, UH, MAKE SURE WE GET THAT, UM, UP REAL, GET REAL QUICK.
AND KORN FERRY PRESENT PRESENTATION IS GONNA BE THE FIRST ONE.
MR. CHAIR A POINT OF ORDER? YES.
CAN WE EXCUSE BAKER TILLY FROM THEIR PARTICIPATION YES.
IN THE REST OF THE YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
YES, THEY CAN EXCUSED, YES, THEY CAN BE EXCUSED.
WHO IS FROM KORN FERRY IS DOING THE PRESENTATION.
ANN, CAN YOU HEAR ME? ANN, YOU ON SCREEN? ANN? UH, YES.
AND ALSO, UH, CHRISTINE CUPS SHOULD ALSO BE HERE FROM KORN FERRY.
WAS CHRISTINE, ARE YOU THERE? I WAS JUST UNMUTED.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN BE PUT AT, I'LL START THE VIDEO.
I JUST HAVE THAT OPTION THERE.
SPEAK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE.
CAN YOU SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT MORE? I CAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY NOW? YES, I CAN HEAR YOU GO AHEAD.
AND YES, UNFORTUNATELY MY SCHEDULE IS THE ONE THAT HAD A CONFLICT.
UM, IN THE NEXT 10 MINUTES, I'D, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY AND IF IT WORKS FOR YOU, I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU SOME HIGH LEVEL, UM, CAPABILITIES OF KORN FERRY AND TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUE ANN, WHO CAN STAY, UM, BEYOND THE 10 MINUTES, IF THAT WORKS FOR YOU.
AS A NOTE, UH, YOU DO HAVE AVAILABLE TO YOU THE PRESENTATION WE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED, AND, UM, WE WILL NOT BE PUTTING IT ON SCREEN WITH, AS IT INCLUDES THE PROPRIETARY INFORMATION, BUT YOU HAVE IT AVAILABLE TO YOU.
ADDITIONALLY, WE ARE HONORED TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE RECRUITMENT SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY, AND CURRENTLY ACTIVE UNDER THAT IS THE CIO SEARCH.
UM, AND YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO YOU REGARDING THE CITY'S AWARD AND PRICING FOR THE EXECUTIVE SEARCH WORK.
UH, KORN FERRY, IT, UM, IS AVAILABLE TO YOU TO USE AS WELL AS THE TERMS. SO THOSE ARE TWO DOCUMENTS THAT ZEL CAN PROVIDE TO YOU IF YOU DON'T HAVE THEM ALREADY.
AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
WE'VE REALLY BEEN THRILLED TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND WE HAVE A DEEP COMMITTEE TO YOUR COMMITMENT TO YOUR CITY, INCLUDING BEING A LONG TIME EMPLOYER IN THE CITY.
UM, KORN FERRY HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR OVER 50 YEARS IN ORGANIZATIONAL CONSULTING AND EXECUTIVE SEARCH.
UM, WE DO APPROXIMATELY ABOVE EIGHT, THE 8,000 HARD TO FILL EXECUTIVE SEARCHES ANNUALLY.
AND WE'VE BEEN VERY HONORED TO BE RECOGNIZED BY FORBES MAGAZINE AS THE TOP EXECUTIVE RECRUITMENT FIRM, UH, FOR THE PAST SEVEN OF EIGHT YEARS THAT THEY'VE BEEN, UH, OFFERING THAT AWARD, INCLUDING THE LAST YEAR OF 2024.
BUT WHAT ALL THAT MEANS, UH, TO PUT, TO USE AND OPTIMIZE FOR THE INSPECTOR GENERAL SEARCH IS THAT WE REALLY HAVE VERY DEEP NETWORKS FOR CANDIDATES AND SOURCES OF REFERRALS, UH, THROUGH ALL THAT EXPERTISE.
AND OUR APPROACH IS VERY HIGH TOUCH AS, UH, THE TEAM WILL HAVE LEARNED FROM, UH, THE CIO SEARCH IN THAT WE IDENTIFY CANDIDATES WHO ARE BEST FIT FOR THE ROLE, CULTURE, YOUR MISSION, ET CETERA.
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YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH YOU IF THERE'S ADVERTISEMENTS YOU WANT US TO MAKE OR POSTINGS, BUT WE, OUR FOCUS AREA REALLY IS IDENTIFYING BEST FIT CANDIDATES.WE HAVE KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE AND CONTACTS ON WHAT THEIR CAREER TRAJECTORY IS AND REALLY WORKING TO ENGAGE THEM IN THE GREAT OPPORTUNITY AS WE'LL RELATE TO THE INSPECTOR GENERAL ROLE AND WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO WE'RE NOT RELYING ON THE HOPES THAT PERFECT CANDIDATE IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO SEE AN ADVERTISEMENT OR POSTING.
CERTAINLY THAT'S GREAT AUGMENTATION.
WE ARE REALLY IDENTIFY AND ENGAGE IN BEST FIT CANDIDATES FOR THIS VERY CRITICAL AND COMPLEX ROLE THAT YOU'LL BE SEEKING EXECUTIVE RECRUITMENT SERVICES FOR.
ADDITIONALLY, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT HORNS FERRY, UH, A GLOBAL COMPANY HAS A DEDICATED LEGAL ENTITY DEDICATED TO GOVERNMENT UNIQUE REQUIREMENTS OF COMPLIANCE, SECURITY, ET CETERA.
UM, AND SO ENSURING THAT THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS OF YOUR CITY NEEDS ARE MADE IS, IS VERY TOP PRIORITY AND SINCERE COMMITMENT ON OUR, ON OUR BEHALF.
UM, AND ADDITIONALLY, OUR, WELL, WE'RE, WE DO CONDUCT NATIONAL SEARCHES.
WE ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH RECRUITING CANDIDATES AND EXECUTIVES, UH, THAT HAVE TO WORK WITH CITY LIMITS, UM, AS IS THE CASE, AS MY UNDERSTANDING IS FOR THE INSPECTOR GENERAL ROLE, ALSO FOR LIMITED TERMS. AND THEN ALSO REALLY JUST WHAT A GREAT, YOU KNOW, CITY OPPORTUNITY.
THE CITY OF DALLAS IS FROM EVERYTHING FROM THE OPPORTUNITY, THE SIZE, THE ECONOMIC GROWTH, THE CULTURE TYPICALLY BEING WARMER WEATHER.
I THINK YOU GUYS ARE, UH, HAVING A TOUGH WEEK THIS WEEK.
BUT YOU KNOW ALL THOSE COMPONENTS, UM, AS YOU'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT POTENTIALLY CANDIDATES WITHIN OR OUTSIDE YOUR CITY LIMITS OR WITHIN THE NATION.
UM, WE'RE VERY DEEP IN WHAT THE MANY ATTRACTIVE QUALITIES ARE OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, IN ADDITION TO THE CAREER OPPORTUNITY.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, WHAT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN OUR WIDE SCOPE, WE HAVE SPECIALIZED EXPERTISE IN ROLE SPECIFIC AREAS.
SO AS RELATES TO THE INSPECTOR GENERAL, WE HAVE A LEGAL CENTER OF EXPERTISE.
AND I'D LIKE TO TRANSITION TO MY COLLEAGUE ANN, UH, WHO IS GREAT EXPERTISE IN THIS AREA.
AND SO AS WE HAVE A GREAT TECHNOLOGY, IT, UM, UH, CIO RELATED CENTER OF EXPERTISE, WE ALSO HAVE A STRONG LEGAL CENTER OF EXPERTISE.
SO ANN, OVER TO YOU TO A PREVIEW AND ALL OF YOU, I'M, I'M SORRY, I DO HAVE TO DROP, UH, AT THE
THANK YOU CHRISTINE, AND GOOD MORNING TO EVERYONE AT THE CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF, AND THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN OUR CAPABILITIES AND HOPEFULLY ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS AS WELL ONCE WE WRAP UP OUR PRESENTATION.
UH, AS CHRISTINE MENTIONED, UH, KORN FERRY HAS A LEGAL CENTER OF EXCELLENCE, UM, WHICH, UH, DOES EXTENSIVE PLACEMENT OF CHIEF LEGAL OFFICERS, GENERAL COUNSELS, UH, CHIEF ETHICS AND COMPLIANCE OFFICERS.
UM, AND, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, PRIDE OURSELVES ON, UH, PLACING THOUGHT LEADERS, UH, WITHIN THOSE AREAS.
AND, UH, WE'VE DONE EXTENSIVE SEARCH IN THOSE AREAS.
AND, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE IG SEARCH, WE FEEL THAT WE HAVE A, AN ENORMOUS, UH, RESERVOIR OF CANDIDATES WHO WOULD HAVE THE TYPE OF EXPERIENCE THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS WOULD BE, UH, LOOKING FOR IN FILLING, UH, THIS POSITION.
UH, WE ALSO WORK VERY HARD TO ENSURE THAT WE PRESENT, UH, DIVERSE SLATES OF CANDIDATES, AND WE HAVE VERY STRONG RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS, UM, THAT LEAD US TO, UH, TO THE, TO THAT TYPE OF SLATE.
UH, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH, UM, THE HISPANIC BAR ASSOCIATION AND THEIR PODER 25 INITIATIVE, WHICH CREATES A PIPELINE OF EXECUTIVE, UH, LEGAL, UH, LEADERS.
UH, WE ALSO WORK CLOSELY, UM, WITH THE EAST AND WEST COAST WOMEN'S GENERAL COUNCIL NETWORK, MINORITY MINORITY CORPORATE
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COUNCIL ASSOCIATION, AND THE, THE BLACK GENERAL COUNCIL INITIATIVE.UM, SO THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, DALLAS IS A DIVERSE DYNAMIC GROWING CITY, AND, UH, WE TRY TO REFLECT, UH, THAT DIVERSITY IN THE CANDIDATES THAT WE PRESENT FOR CONSIDERATION.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC RECRUITMENT METHODOLOGY THAT WE FOLLOW.
SO WE START OFF BY DOING A, A DEEP DIVE INTO, UH, WHAT YOU NEED TO, UH, FIND IN A CANDIDATE IN TERMS OF THE, THE PRIORITIES FOR THE POSITION.
WE HELP YOU ESTABLISH A, A POSITION PROFILE.
UM, WE, WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AS WELL IS WE HOLD STAKEHOLDER, UH, MEETINGS AND CALLS, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE FEELS THAT, UM, THEY'VE BEEN HEARD AND LISTENED TO, UM, IN TERMS OF HAVING INPUT ABOUT, UM, WHAT THE KEY METRICS ARE FOR SUCCESS FOR THE, FOR THE CANDIDATES.
UM, AND THEN WE DO EXTENSIVE RESEARCH.
UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AS CHRISTINE SAID, WE WILL DO POSTINGS, BUT MOST CANDIDATES FOR THESE HIGH LEVEL ROLES, WHICH HAVE VERY, UH, YOU KNOW, HIGH TOUCH DEMANDS IN TERMS OF FINDING CANDIDATES AND SHEPHERDING THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS ARE PASSIVE CANDIDATES.
SO THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT WE WILL REACH OUT TO WITHIN OUR NETWORKS.
WE'LL REACH OUT TO SOURCES FOR REFERRALS, UM, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FINDING THE ABSOLUTE BEST TALENT, UM, TO FILL THE POSITION.
AND THEN WE WILL, UH, I, I BELIEVE THE SEARCH COMMITTEE, UH, HASN'T BEEN FORMED YET.
SO, UM, BUT WE'LL HAVE VERY REGULAR UPDATES, UH, WITH THE SEARCH COMMITTEE FROM THE CITY.
UM, SO YOU WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTE, UH, BENCHMARKS ALL THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS OF WHERE WE ARE, WHO WE'RE TALKING TO.
UH, WHAT, IF ANY, ARE WE, THE, THE FEEDBACK WE'RE GETTING FROM THE MARKET QUITE OFTEN WITH OUR CLIENTS, THEY FIND IT VERY HELPFUL TO HEAR WHAT CANDIDATES ARE SAYING ABOUT WHAT THEIR PERCEPTIONS ARE, UH, ABOUT A PARTICULAR ROLE OR AN ORGANIZATION.
SO WE'LL SHARE THAT FEEDBACK WITH YOU.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, UM, WE WILL PUT TOGETHER EXTENSIVE, UH, PROFILES AND ASSESSMENTS OF THE CANDIDATES THAT WE PRESENT AND THEN SHEPHERD YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, UH, OF THE INTERVIEWS, UM, SO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ARE AVAILABLE.
EVERY RESEARCH COMMITTEE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
UM, SO WE ARE AVAILABLE TO HELP YOU, UH, STRUCTURE QUESTIONS IF, IF THAT'S HELPFUL TO YOU.
UH, ONE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US IS THAT THERE'S ABSOLUTE EQUITY ACROSS HOW EACH CANDIDATE IS INTERVIEWED.
SO WE REALLY STRESS THAT, UH, THERE BE ABSOLUTE UNIFORMITY, UH, IN ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS SO THAT EACH CANDIDATE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, TO PUT THEIR BEST FOOT FORWARD.
UM, WE ALSO SUBMITTED, UM, WHICH CHRISTINE HAD MENTIONED, UH, I BELIEVE THE PRESENTATION WAS SENT TO YOU, SOME OF THE REPRESENTATIVE SEARCHES THAT WE'VE DONE, UM, IN THIS, IN THIS AREA.
UM, I WORKED VERY RECENTLY WITH EDISON INTERNATIONAL ON THEIR CHIEF ETHICS AND COMPLIANCE OFFICER ROLE.
UM, AND, UH, THE CHIEF ETHICS AND COMPLIANCE OFFICER IS VERY SIMILAR IN A LOT OF WAYS TO THE IG ROLE.
YOU KNOW, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, UM, UH, THE CANDIDATE THAT WE PLACED, UH, SHE
SHE WAS, HAD OVERSIGHT OF, UH, LATIN AMERICA'S OPERATIONS FOR A VERY LARGE COMPANY, UM, AND, UH, HAD TO OVERSEE SOME EXTENSIVE INVESTIGATIONS BECAUSE THEY WERE BEING INVESTIGATED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, UM, FOR, UM, A VARIETY OF CORRUPTION AND BRIBERY CHARGES.
UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF SIMILARITY BETWEEN, UH, WHAT ETHICS AND COMPLIANCE OFFICERS DO, UM, AND WHAT AN IG WOULD WOULD BE DOING.
UH, ALSO THERE HAS BEEN A TREND IN, UH, CORPORATE ENC DEPARTMENTS TO HIRE FORMER PROSECUTORS.
UH, FORMER AUSAS, UM, AS THE CHIEF ETHICS OFFICER FROM KOHLER SAID TO ME IS THAT YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT INTIMIDATING IS UNTIL YOU HAVE TO SIT DOWN ACROSS FROM A FEDERAL PROSECUTOR, UM, AND TALK ABOUT AN INVESTIGATION.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE KIND OF PEOPLES, AND THIS SEARCH MAY BE QUITE FORTUITOUS TIMING BECAUSE, UH, THERE ARE
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THIS, AN AWFUL LOT OF SHIFTING GOING ON, UH, IN THE LEGAL WORLD, UM, WITHIN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, UM, IN TERMS OF PEOPLE, UH, LEAVING, UM, AND LOOKING FOR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.UM, SO, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, IN, IN NORTH TEXAS, YOU'VE GOT AN OFFICE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED, UM, AUSAS WHO POTENTIALLY WANNA MAKE, MAY WANNA MAKE A MOVE.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE TYPE OF TALENT THAT WE WOULD HOPE, UH, TO BRING TO YOU, UH, TO CONSIDER.
WE ALSO, UH, HANDLED THE GLOBAL HEAD OF TRUST AND INVESTIGATION SEARCH FOR A-C-B-R-E GROUP, THE LARGE REAL ESTATE, UH, COMMERCIAL GROUP IN DALLAS.
AND, UH, AS CHRISTINE HAD MENTIONED, WE'RE IN PROCESS ON THE, UH, THE CITY OF DALLAS, UM, CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER ROLE, AND WE HAVE PRESENTED, UH, TWO CANDIDATES FOR THAT, WHERE I SHOULD SAY TWO OF OUR CANDIDATES ARE NOW FINALISTS TO THAT POSITION.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, I'LL LEAVE IT THERE BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
SO, UH, I'LL HAPPY TO FIELD ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
UH, COLLEAGUES, I HOPE YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION.
I, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME PRO PROPRIETARY INFORMATION THAT THEY DID NOT WANT SHARE.
SO YOU DO HAVE A COPY OF THE BROCHURE.
I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT'S WHY WE DID NOT PRESENT IT IN PUBLIC.
JESSE MORENO, THANK YOU CHAIR.
THANK YOU CHAIR, AND THANKS FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
UM, IN THE SEARCH, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO ASK THE QUESTION OF THE CANDIDATES OF THEIR SUCCESS RATE OR THEIR PROSECUTION RATE? UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A LOT OF ACCUSATIONS THAT DO GET THROWN OUT, AND A LOT OF 'EM ARE UNWARRANTED OR UNFOUNDED.
UH, BUT IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK, UH, THOSE CASES THAT ARE, UH, WARRANTED, UM, HOW FAR THEY GO INTO, UM, HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE? I WOULD SAY THAT'S CERTAINLY WITHIN THE, THE REALM OF, UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND SOMEONE'S RECORD WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, YOU KNOW, INVESTIGATIONS.
AND AS YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, THE CITY OF DALLAS, I WOULD ASSUME, UM, HAS TO SET, UH, THEIR OWN EVIDENTIARY, UH, BENCHMARKS FOR, YOU KNOW, AT WHAT POINT DO YOU START AN INVESTIGATION.
AND, UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S, I WOULD SAY THAT QUESTION IS, UH, CERTAINLY VERY LEGITIMATE.
THEY PROBABLY, FOR REASONS OF CONFIDENTIALITY, COULDN'T REALLY GET TOO SPECIFIC WITH, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN INVESTIGATIONS, BUT I THINK THEY COULD GIVE YOU A GENERAL OVERVIEW FOR SURE.
UH, THAT'S OUR CHAIR CHAIRMAN RIDLEY.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
AND LOOKING AT THE, UH, EXPERIENCE THAT'S DESCRIBED IN THE PRESENTATION, I NOTICED THAT THERE ARE NO SEARCHES THAT YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN FOR AN IG IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR, IS THAT CORRECT? JUST THE PRIVATE SECTOR? UH, NO.
WE HAVE ACTUALLY DONE A NUMBER OF IG SEARCHES, UM, BUT THE REASON WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THEM IS THEY'RE NOT VERY RECENT, SO THEY'RE NOT WITHIN THE LAST THREE YEARS.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DONE SOME IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR, WE'VE PLACED THE IG FOR, UM, FOR AMTRAK.
AND, UM, WE ALSO, LET ME JUST PULL UP MY LIST HERE.
UM, RELATED ROLES THAT WE DID WERE FOR THE CEO OF, UH, THE LOS ANGELES, UM, COUNTY AIRPORT, UM, THE LOS ANGELES, OR THE CEO FOR THE LOS ANGELES MUNICIPAL POWER AND WATER AND POWER, UM, DEPARTMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE POSITIONS ARE ALL, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE KIND OF ADJACENT POSITIONS TO WHAT AN IG, UM, WOULD BE DOING.
UM, AND A LOT OF, A LOT OF OUR FEDERAL WORK, UM, IS, UH, IN, IN THE LEGAL SECTOR AS WELL.
HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT? I CAN'T SAY HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT AMTRAK SEARCH? UM, THE AMTRAK SEARCH WAS QUITE A WHILE AGO.
SO NONE OF THE SEARCHES THAT ARE IN THIS FIELD THAT YOU'VE CONDUCTED WERE FOR A, AN IG WHO HAD TO REPORT TO AN, UH, ETHICS COMMISSION, UH, SUCH AS WE HAVE IN DALLAS?
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UH, YEAH, NOT SPECIFICALLY, BUT AGAIN, I WOULD SAY MANY OF OUR SEARCHES WE DO HAVE, UH, CANDIDATES AND HIRES WHO ULTIMATELY WILL BE REPORTING INTO A COMMITTEE OF SORTS.SO IT MAY BE, UH, FOR INSTANCE, I DID A SEARCH FOR THE LIFT FUND, WHICH IS A-C-D-F-I IN TEXAS, AND, UH, THAT CEO REPORTED INTO, UH, THE, UH, THE BOARD.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT DYNAMIC WHERE, UH, WE HAVE TO FIND CANDIDATES WHO HAVE, ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT TYPE OF REPORTING STRUCTURE, UM, AND ARE FAMILIAR WITH NAVIGATING WHAT IT'S LIKE.
'CAUSE AS YOU ALL KNOW, IT'S CHALLENGING TO HAVE A, A, A LARGE GROUP OF BOSSES,
UM, SO, UH, WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE FIND CANDIDATES WHO HAVE THAT SPECIFIC EXPERIENCE.
WELL, I THINK THAT IS, UH, A CRITICAL COMPONENT OF THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE IN A RECRUITING FIRM IS THAT THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE PUBLIC SECTOR AND, UH, WITH THE STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE IN DALLAS, WHERE THE IG MUST PRESENT CASES TO AN INDEPENDENT COMMISSION OF VOLUNTEERS.
NOW, I NOTICE THAT YOU GIVE, AS YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH DALLAS, THE CIO SEARCH THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A FULL SIX MONTHS NOW, AND IT'S NOT YET CONCLUDED.
UH, IS THAT THE NORMAL PERIOD OF TIME THAT YOU, UH, EXPECT FOR SEARCHES FOR SENIOR DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS, OR WOULD YOU SAY THAT'S AN ANOMALY? I WOULD SAY WITH, WITH ALL SEARCH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF IT IS VERY DEPENDENT ON, UH, THE CLIENT SIDE DECISION MAKING PROCESS AND HOW QUICKLY THAT MOVES ALONG.
I MEAN, WE WILL PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE TAKE ON A SEARCH, WE WILL START TO HAVE CANDIDATES DEVELOPED IN A MATTER OF WEEKS.
BUT QUITE OFTEN, UH, WHAT HAPPENS, AND PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'RE DEALING, YOU KNOW, WITH A SEARCH COMMITTEE, UH, WITH A BOARD, UH, YOU KNOW, GETTING EVERYONE'S SCHEDULES ALIGNED AND, AND GETTING EVERYONE TOGETHER, UM, CAN BE CHALLENGING.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE VERY PACKED, UH, CALENDARS, SO WE MAKE OURSELVES AVAILABLE AS, UH, QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
BUT QUITE OFTEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TIMELINE ISN'T REALLY COMPLETELY DICTATED BY US.
I MEAN, WE CAN DO OUR RESEARCH, DEVELOP A TARGET LIST, DO OUR CANDIDATE, UH, RESEARCH OUR AND DEVELOPMENT OF THEM AS CANDIDATES, UH, BUT THEN WE REALLY NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF SETTING UP TIME TO MEET WITH, UH, THE COMMITTEE AND GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CANDIDATES AND VET THEM, UH, VERY CAREFULLY.
SO I, I WOULD SAY THAT WE WORK AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
UM, BUT WE'RE ALSO MINDFUL THAT WHEN YOU'RE WORKING WITH A COMMITTEE THAT THE TIMELINE IS, IS NOT ALWAYS WITHIN OUR CONTROL.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THOSE FACTORS, BUT, UH, MY ORIGINAL QUESTION WAS, IS SIX MONTHS FOR A DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR, UH, COMMON TIME PERIOD IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, OR HAS IT BEEN LONGER FOR THAT DALLAS SEARCH? I'M ACTUALLY NOT WORKING ON THE DALLAS SEARCH, SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT DIRECTLY.
BUT IN GENERAL, SINCE I'M PART OF OUR FEDERAL PRACTICE, UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT I WORKED ON A SEARCH LAST YEAR FOR THE, THE US PATENT OFFICE.
UM, THAT TOOK US TWO MONTHS, AND THEN I WORKED ON ANOTHER SEARCH FOR THEM THAT TOOK US, UM, EIGHT MONTHS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S
SO IT'S HARD TO SAY, AND I, I'M NOT TRYING TO EVADE YOUR QUESTION.
UM, THERE REALLY JUST IS NOT A, WE USUALLY DO FOR THESE POSITIONS IN PARTICULAR.
UM, AND ALSO WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH GOVERNMENT ENTITIES AND TRYING TO MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS, UM, THAT, THAT THEY HAVE, UM, IN TERMS OF THEIR HIRING PROTOCOLS, UM, I JUST CANNOT TELL YOU FOR SURE HERE, HERE'S THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT WILL TAKE.
YOU KNOW, I I CAN TELL YOU IN A MATTER OF WEEKS, WE WILL HAVE CANDIDATES
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FOR THE SEARCH COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER.AND WHAT WE GENERALLY DO IS IN OUR FIRST CALL, WHEN WE PRESENT OUR INITIAL SLATE, A LOT OF THAT IS DESIGNED TO, TO HELP US UNDERSTAND, OKAY, HERE ARE THE PEOPLE, HERE'S OUR FIRST SLATE.
WE HAVEN'T FINISHED ALL OF OUR CALLS YET, BUT WE'VE DONE ALL THE RESEARCH.
SO HERE'S A SLATE OF PEOPLE, LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS.
AND THE COMMITTEE WILL GIVE US FEEDBACK BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WHO THESE CANDIDATES ARE.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE MISSED? OR THE, IS, ARE THESE THE PROFILES THAT YOU WERE HOPING, UH, TO, FOR US TO PRESENT TO YOU? SO THERE'S A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN OURSELVES AND WHATEVER COMMITTEE WE'RE PRESENTING TO, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL ALONG THE, THE WAY WE'RE ON TRACK WITH OUR CANDIDATES.
WELL, YOU MENTIONED DURING YOUR PRESENTATION THAT, UH, THE CITY OF DALLAS HASN'T FORMED ITS SEARCH COMMITTEE FOR THIS POSITION YET.
AND I NEED TO CORRECT YOU ON THAT.
YOU'RE SPEAKING TO THE SEARCH COMMITTEE.
OH, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT THIS, THIS, SO ALL 36 OF YOU ARE, OR 32, I GUESS IT SAYS PARTICIPANTS 32.
IS THAT, THAT'S THE WHOLE SEARCH COMMITTEE? NO, IT'S THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON ADMINISTRATIVE AFFAIRS, WHICH IS COMPOSED OF FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
WHY WAS NO COST ESTIMATE GIVEN IN YOUR PRESENTATION? WELL, WE HAVE A SERVICE AGREEMENT, UM, WITH THE CITY, AND I BELIEVE THAT, UH, ZEL, UH, WAS GOING TO, UH, REVIEW THAT, UM, WITH YOU.
SO, UH, THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T INCLUDE IT, UH, IN THE PRESENTATION.
CAN YOU TELL US NOW WHAT THE COST OF THIS, UH, CONSULTING AGREEMENT WOULD BE? I CANNOT CAN ANSWER THAT.
I, I NEED TO CONSULT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND, AND IT'S BECAUSE THEY CONSIDER THEIR PRICING, UH, PROPRIETARY TO THE EXTENT OF HAVING IT OPENLY DISCUSSED IN THE PUBLIC REALM.
SO I'LL, I'LL HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION OFFLINE WITH THE ATTORNEYS ABOUT THAT FIRST.
OUR OTHER CANDIDATES HAVE PROVIDED COST ESTIMATES IN THEIR PRESENTATIONS, AND KORN FERRIES DID NOT.
SO SOMEHOW THE OTHERS WERE ABLE TO DO THAT.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION PROVIDED TO THE COMMITTEE, EVEN IF IT'S OFFLINE.
SOME, I WAS GONNA ACTUALLY SURPRISE YOU BY SAYING I HAVE NO QUESTIONS, BUT I'M JUST GONNA SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
BUT, BUT NOW I HAVE ONE BECAUSE I'M, I'M KIND OF SHOCKED BY THE ANSWER ABOUT THE COST ESTIMATE, WHICH IS TO SAY, THIS IS GOVERNMENT AND THIS IS PUBLIC INFORMATION, AND IF YOU CAN'T DISCLOSE IT, THEN YOU CAN'T BE A CANDIDATE.
IN MY EYES, I WILL NEVER SUPPORT NOT SHARING THAT PUBLICLY.
SO, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND DO.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS PARTICULARLY PROPRIETARY.
I THINK ALL YOUR FIRMS ARE PRETTY MUCH WITHIN A RANGE, BUT, UM, I'M, I'M, I'M VERY TAKEN BACK BY THAT ANSWER.
AND THE PUBLIC A HUNDRED PERCENT DESERVES TO KNOW WHAT THE COST ESTIMATE IS AND WHAT THE ACTUAL COSTS ARE.
CHAIRMAN STEWART, ANY QUESTION? NO, I THINK MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED.
I THINK I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
SO I'M GOING TO THE NEXT CANDIDATE, UH, WHICH WOULD BE, UM, MMGT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, FOR CALLING FOR THE PRESENTATION.
PLEASE RESPOND TO KARA'S QUESTION.
UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UH, YOU WILL GET THAT INFORMATION ABOUT PRICING, UH, VIA DEN, UH, ZEL.
UM, YOU KNOW, HORN FERRY IS A VERY LARGE RECRUITMENT FIRM.
UH, A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION, UH, IS PROPRIETARY.
UM, AND ULTIMATELY, IF WE'RE AWARDED THE SEARCH, UM, QUITE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE DEAL WITH MANY, MANY PUBLIC SECTOR, UM, ORGANIZATIONS.
AND AS I SAID, WE HAVE AN EXTENSIVE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, UH, PRACTICE.
SO THESE NUMBERS ULTIMATELY SHOW UP AND ARE DISCLOSED, BUT IN A FORUM THIS PUBLIC.
UM, WE'RE JUST NOT AT LIBERTY TO, UH, TO DISCUSS 'EM, BUT WE, THEY WILL BE SHARED WITH YOU.
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BE SHARED.SO, TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT ANSWER, MAY I JUST ASK, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU DO WORK WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITHOUT DISCLOSING WHAT THE COST WILL BE UNTIL YOU PROVIDE THE SERVICE? NO, WE, WE, WE OPERATE UNDER SERVICE AGREEMENTS WITH MANY AGENCIES ACROSS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
SO, FOR INSTANCE, THE US PATENT OFFICE, UH, SEARCHES THAT I MENTIONED, THAT'S PART OF A FIVE YEAR SERVICE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THAT AGENCY.
SO THEY ARE CERTAINLY VERY WELL AWARE OF WHAT OUR PRICING IS, UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR EACH SEARCH THAT WE EXECUTE FOR THEM.
UH, AND AS I SAID, THE CITY OF DALLAS DOES HAVE A SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH KORN FERRY.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE DO RECOMMEND THAT YOU LEVERAGE, UH, THAT AGREEMENT SINCE WE ARE IN PROCESS ON THE CIO SEARCH.
AND THOSE PRICES ARE, YOU KNOW, MORE, UH, ARE, ARE, ARE QUITE DIFFERENT FROM OUR OTHER EXECUTIVE SEARCH PRICING.
YOU KNOW, OUR PUBLIC SECTOR PRICING IS, IS QUITE DIFFERENT.
I WILL PUT MY RESPONSE ON TWITTER AND NOT TAKE UP ANY MORE TIME ON THIS.
BUT I'M, I'M SHOCKED WITH YOUR ANSWER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR EXPLANATION.
MGTI KNOW WE RUNNING THANK YOU.
DARNELL, WHO DOING THE PRESIDENT OF MGT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, TO TOMMY.
HE'S MADE THE CONNECTION WITH THE PRESENTERS, UH, TOMMY M AND DIRECTOR OF HR.
IF I CAN HAVE, UM, THE GOVERNOR RECRUITER, SENIOR RECRUITER, AND SHAW, AS WELL AS THE RECRUITMENT PROGRAM DIRECTOR OF CHRISTINE ENS, I BELIEVE I SEE ANNE AND I DO BELIEVE, I SEE CHRISTINE, IF YOU GUYS CAN TURN YOUR CAMERAS ON.
UH, CHARLENE, IF YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND KICK THIS OFF.
DO YOU WANT, OH, UH, ARE YOU PREPARED FOR ME TO PRESENT? I'M SORRY.
YES, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION ONLINE.
I'M CHARLENE STEVENS, UH, VICE PRESIDENT WITH MGT.
FORMERLY OUR FIRM WAS KNOWN AS ABOVE HR.
WE WERE ACQUIRED BY MGT IN DECEMBER OF 2023.
AND COULD YOU SPEAK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE PLEASE? CAN YOU SPEAK UP JUST A LITTLE, A LITTLE BIT MORE? THANK YOU.
UH, AGAIN, CHARLENE STEVENS WITH MGT.
I'M VICE PRESIDENT OF HUMAN CAPITAL.
I LEAD OUR RECRUITMENT SERVICES FOR THE FIRM.
OUR FIRM WAS FORMERLY KNOWN AS GOV HR.
WE WERE ACQUIRED BY MGT AT THE END OF 2023 AND HAVE BEEN DOING BUSINESS SINCE AS, UH, MGT.
AND, UH, PLEASE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR BACKGROUND.
OUR FIRM IS, UM, A LARGE FIRM OF OVER 900 EMPLOYEES.
WE HAVE EXPERTISE IN STATE, LOCAL GOVERNMENT, AND HIGHER EDUCATION WITHIN THE GOVERNMENT SPEC SECTOR.
WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE, UM, AND EXPERTISE IN, UH, FINANCIAL ANALYSIS, UH, EXECUTIVE RECRUITMENT, HUMAN RESOURCES.
YOUR VOICE IS GOING IN AND OUT.
CAN YOU JUST KIND OF, OH, I APOLOGIZE.
UH, YEAH, I'LL TRY TO SPEAK MORE, UH, SPEAK MORE LOUD, SPEAK LOUDLY.
WE DID DO A SOUND CHECK, UH, PRIOR.
SO AGAIN, WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERTISE IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS.
UM, WE HAVE DONE, AND PLEASE MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UH, THE RECRUITMENT TEAM, UH, WOULD BE LED BY MYSELF.
I HAVE OVER 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT OVER SEVEN YEARS IN EXECUTIVE RECRUITMENT.
AND THEN ALL OF OUR RECRUITMENTS ARE SUPPORTED BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE TEAM AS WELL.
OUR FIRM, UM, HAS DONE OVER 1400 RECRUITMENTS.
IT'S PROBABLY CLOSER NOW TO 1500 RECRUITMENTS IN THE PAST, UH, WHEN YOU ADD IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
BUT WE HAVE 36 RECRUITERS THAT ARE LOCATED COAST TO COAST.
I'M PERSONALLY EAST METRO, BUT WE DO HAVE RECRUITERS LOCATED ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND WE FEEL THAT THAT GIVES US LOCAL EXPERTISE AS WELL AS A NATIONAL PRESENCE.
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.
WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.
WE DO HAVE AN ONGOING CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE CITY.
I DID WORK PERSONALLY ON THE HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DIRECTOR, AS WELL AS THE PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN DIRECTOR.
I SINCE, UH, BELIEVE YOU'VE ACTUALLY CHANGED THE NAME OF THAT POSITION OR REORGANIZED A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND THOSE WERE FULL EXECUTIVE RECRUITMENT.
WE ALSO DID A COUPLE OF OTHER RECRUITMENTS THAT WERE VIRTUAL RECRUITMENTS, WHERE WE, UM, ASSISTED THE CITY'S TEAM WITH SOME OUTREACH, SIMILAR POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE DONE RECRUITMENT FOR, UM, TO THIS POSITION.
WE DID A INSPECTOR GENERAL WITH BART, A LARGE TRANSIT AGENCY IN, IN CALIFORNIA IN 2023.
JUST COMPLETED THE CHIEF AUDIT OFFICER WITH METRO, WHICH IS A LARGE TRANSIT AGENCY IN CHICAGO, ILLINOIS.
AND THAT WAS DONE IN 2024, SIMILAR TO, UM, ALSO WORKED WITH COUNTY IN 2023.
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AND THEN WE HAVE ALSO WORKED WITH FAIRFAX COUNTY, NEWPORT, THE CITY OF NEWPORT NEWS, AND THEN A LITTLE BIT TO KINDA A SECONDARY POSITION THAT ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH RAMSEY COUNTY, MINNESOTA AND NOT ST.PAUL ON A DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR THEIR INTERNAL AUDIT.
SO WE DO HAVE EXPERIENCE, UM, IN TERMS OF INSPECTOR GENERAL AND CHIEF AUDIT POSITION THAT WE CAN BRING IN THAT WE'D ALSO THINK THAT WE BRING A NETWORK OF CANDIDATES AS WELL.
UH, JUST A A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR PROCESS.
WE TYPICALLY SAY OUR PROCESSES TAKE 90 TO 120 DAYS TO COMPLETE.
UM, THAT CAN CERTAINLY VARY BASED ON, YOU KNOW, UM, THE CLIENT, UH, RESPONSIVENESS AND CLIENT SCHEDULES.
BUT WE DO GENERALLY TRY TO COMPLETE OUR WORK WITHIN 90 TO 120 DAYS.
AND THAT'S FOR THE SELECTION OF A CANDIDATE.
SOMETIMES THERE'S ALSO AN ADDITIONAL 30 TO 45 DAYS BETWEEN WHEN AND GET STARTED.
WE REALLY START TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE ORGANIZATION AND THE POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT.
SO I WOULD SPEND TIME WITH THE SEARCH COMMITTEE WITH ANY OTHER STAKEHOLDERS THAT YOU FEEL IS IMPORTANT TO TALK TO IN THE ORGANIZATION OR EXTERNALLY.
UM, ABOUT THE POSITION, GETTING AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE ORGANIZATION AS WELL AS THE PRIORITIES FOR THE POSITION.
WE DEVELOP ALL OF THE POSITION MATERIALS AND RECRUITMENT MATERIALS, SUCH AS THE JOB ANNOUNCEMENT AND BROCHURE.
UH, WE DO ACTIVELY CONDUCT OUTREACH FOR ALL OF OUR POSITIONS JUST ALONE IN OUR FIRM.
OUR LINKEDIN CONTACTS REACH OVER 50,000 INDIVIDUALS.
OUR OWN, UM, JOB BOARD REACHES OVER 17,000 INDIVIDUALS AND SUCH.
AND SO WE FEEL THAT WE'RE VERY EFFECTIVE WITH OUTREACH, AND WE THINK THAT'S REALLY CRITICAL IN ALL POSITION.
UH, WE, WE CAN COORDINATE ALL OF THE, UH, CANDIDATE SCREENING.
AND SO WE TYPICALLY WILL SPEND AT LEAST 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR WITH ALL OF THE CANDIDATES THAT WE DEEM QUALIFIED FOR THE ROLE.
UM, WE DO AN INITIAL KIND OF TWO-WAY VIDEO SCREENING WITH THOSE CANDIDATES.
WE DO REFERENCE CHECKS, UM, INITIALLY AS WELL, AND DO SOME, UH, SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE CANDIDATE, UH, THAT WE ARE PRESENTING, UH, TO YOU.
AND THEN WE WILL WORK WITH THE SEARCH COMMITTEE ON PRESENTING THE CANDIDATES AND NARROWING DOWN TO SEMI-FINALISTS FOR CONSIDERATION.
AND THEN WE'LL ASSIST YOU WITH THAT INTERVIEW PROCESS WITH DEVELOPING QUESTIONS, HELPING TO SCHEDULE, HELPING TO FACILITATE.
WE WILL ALSO DO THAT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE FINALIST.
UM, AS WELL, WE DO CONDUCT BACKGROUND CHECKS THEN, UM, AT THE TIME, UM, ON THE CANDIDATES AS WELL, AND WE'LL DO ADDITIONAL REFERENCE CHECKS.
WE'RE ALSO AVAILABLE TO ASSIST THE CITY IN, UM, ANY CONTRACT NEGOTIATION OR SALARY NEGOTIATION WITH A SELECTED CANDIDATE AS WELL.
YOU CAN SEE OUR RECRUITMENT COSTS.
THIS IS BASED UPON OUR ONGOING CONTRACT WITH THE STATE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE COST THAT'S OUTLINED THERE.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S NOT IN THAT COST IS ANY TRAVEL, UH, COST FOR THE CONSULTANT FROM ON SITE.
UM, AND THOSE ARE JUST SIMPLY BILLED TO YOU AT THE COST, UH, OF, OF THE TRAVEL FOR THE CONSULTANT.
JUST A COUPLE REASONS, JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT US AND WHY WE THINK YOU SHOULD SELECT US.
AND WE, WE, WE WILL STAY WITH YOU UNTIL YOU'VE SELECTED THE IDEAL CANDIDATE.
WE ALSO OFFER A ONE YEAR GUARANTEE ON OUR PLACEMENT.
SO IF FOR ANY REASON THE CANDIDATE DOES NOT WORK OUT, OR THE CANDIDATE LEAVES THE CITY OF DALLAS WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR OF EMPLOYMENT, UH, WE WILL, WE WILL CONTINUE THE SEARCH.
WE'LL COME BACK AND DO THE SEARCH FOR ONLY EXPENSES, WHICH AGAIN, WOULD BE TYPICALLY ADVERTISING BACKGROUND CHECKS AT THAT TIME.
THE REASON WE'RE COMFORTABLE OFFERING THAT IS BECAUSE WE FEEL A, BECAUSE IN OUR, UH, 1400 RECRUITMENTS, THAT'S ONLY BEEN, UH, REALLY ACTED UPON IN 3% OF THE RECRUITMENTS.
AND WE THINK THAT'S BECAUSE WE SPEND TIME GETTING TO KNOW THE ORGANIZATION AND REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND IT CAN MAKE SUCCESSFUL PLACEMENTS, UM, IN THAT REGARD.
I KNOW THAT WAS BRIEF AND QUICK, BUT I KNOW THAT YOU'RE ON A TIME SCHEDULE, AND SO I'M CERTAINLY HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
COLLEAGUES, AND OF QUESTION, RAISE YOUR HAND AND QUE UH, CHAIRMAN RIDLEY? YES, CHARLENE, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, AND PARTICULARLY FOR INCLUDING YOUR COST ESTIMATE, BOTH, UH, FOR DOLLARS AND TIME PERIOD FOR THE SEARCH.
UH, I APPRECIATE THAT TRANSPARENCY AND, UH, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL IN OUR CONSIDERATION.
UM, HOW LONG DID THE OTHER HIRES THAT YOU LIST FOR DALLAS TAKE? DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND? UM, I THINK GENERALLY THOSE WERE WITHIN ABOUT THE, UH, 120 DAYS OR SO.
UM, WE MOVED PRETTY QUICKLY ON THOSE SEARCHES.
WELL, WE'RE INTERESTED IN HAVING THE SEARCH CONDUCTED EXPEDITIOUSLY, AND SO
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IT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO CONDUCT THOSE SEARCHES FOR THE CITY IN THE PAST IN THAT TIMEFRAME.SO ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
WELL, YOU DID A GREAT JOB, SO NO QUESTION.
UM, SO LET'S DO THE NEXT PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
TELL ME IF YOU, UH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, CALL THE FOUNDER AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF POLY ZEL KENYATA, IF WE CAN BRING KENYATA IN.
ARE YOU ALL ABLE TO HEAR ME? YES.
I'M THE FOUNDER, CEO OF POLY HIRE STRATEGY.
WE ARE AN EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRM BASED HERE IN WASHINGTON, DC AND I DO THANK EACH OF YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME THIS MORNING TO, UM, TO HEAR US IN OUR PRESENTATION OF OUR CAPABILITIES IN ASSISTING YOU, POSSIBLY ASSISTING YOU WITH YOUR SEARCH FOR YOUR, UH, UH, INSPECTOR GENERAL.
IT CAN BEGIN THE PRESENTATION.
AS I MENTIONED, UM, POLLY HIRE AN EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRM.
WE'RE BASED HERE IN DC UH, BUT WE ACTUALLY, UH, WORK NATIONALLY.
WE HAVE 12 CONSULTANTS, UH, ACTUALLY STAFF MEMBERS WHO, UM, SERVE AS CONSULTANTS ON EACH OF OUR ENGAGEMENTS, UH, UH, PLACED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY FROM LA TO THEIR NORTH DALLAS, ATLANTA, DURHAM, NORTH CAROLINA, MYSELF AND A CORE TEAM HERE IN THE, THE DMV DC, MARYLAND, VIRGINIA, AS WELL AS THE MIDWEST, CHICAGO, UM, DETROIT AND, UH, THE, THE ATLANTIC NORTHEAST IN NEW YORK CITY.
WE PROVIDE EXECUTIVE SEARCH SERVICES PRIMARILY TO PUBLIC SECTOR.
FOR THE CLOSE TO 20 YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS, I WOULD SAY 80 TO 85% OF OUR, UM, WORK AND CUSTOMERS HAVE BEEN PUBLIC ENTITIES FROM STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
WE DO A BIT OF CONSULTING WORK IN THE FEDERAL SPACE, BUT WE REALLY FOCUS ON THAT STATE AND, AND LOCAL PEACE.
WE'VE CONDUCTED MORE THAN 700 NATIONAL SEARCHES, AND OUR SENIOR LEADERSHIP TEAM, UM, HAS, I WOULD SAY OVER HALF OF US HAVE SERVED IN PUBLIC SECTOR MYSELF.
BEGAN MY CAREER IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR, SERVING AS A SENIOR STAFFER FOR MAYOR TONY WILLIAMS IN DC FROM 2002 TO 2006.
UM, THAT SECOND ADMINISTRATION WHERE WE, I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF HIS RECRUITMENT FOR HIS EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP TEAM.
AND, UM, AS YOU'LL SEE, WE GET A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN.
THERE IS AN ASTERISK BY ONE OF THE POSITIONS THAT WE WERE, I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR LEADING, UM, THAT I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU.
BUT WE'VE HAD OTHERS WHO HAVE SERVED AS SENIOR ADVISORS AND STAFFERS TO GOVERNORS, UM, AS WELL AS MAYORS AND US SENATORS WHO WERE CORY BOOKER, WHO IS NOW US SENATOR CORY BOOKER, WHEN HE WAS MAYOR THERE, UM, IN NEWARK, NEW JERSEY.
SO WE ACTUALLY BRING EXPERTISE TO THE TABLE AS BEING PUBLIC SERVANTS AND NOW SERVING ON THE OTHER SIDE.
UM, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, JIM BANKS, SERVING ON THE OTHER SIDE AS CONSULTANTS AND RECRUITERS.
UM, I'LL NOTE THAT ME, I HAVE MY ENTIRE CAREER SINCE I GRADUATED FROM UNDERGRADUATE, UM, IN 1993, UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA, I'VE DONE NOTHING BUT RECRUITING.
SO I AM A TRUE, UM, RECRUITER.
I WAS A RECRUITER, UH, AND I'VE BEEN WORKING IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR AGAIN SINCE 2020.
UH, CITY OF DALLAS, OUR FAMILIARITY FOR THE PAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS, WE HAVE HAD A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS AND HAVE WORKED TO RECRUIT A NUMBER OF WHAT WE CONSIDER STELLAR, STELLAR STAFF MEMBERS THERE.
UM, MICHELLE ANDRES, OUR MOST RECENT, WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY AND POLICE OVERSIGHT, UM, WHO'S ON WITH US TODAY.
UH, TOMMY MOLES, UH, TRAN ETHICS OFFICER, MARTINE PHILIPPE, WHO'S THERE IN THE OFFICE OF ARTS AND CULTURE.
UH, PAUL WHITE, UM, ONG, UM, HEMMING, AS WELL AS ONE OF OUR RECENT, UH, PLACEMENTS.
ALSO RAY WESTON THERE IN HUMAN RESOURCES.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE SEARCHES THAT WE HAVE COMPLETED.
WE ARE ENGAGED RIGHT NOW WORKING WITH THE OFFICE OF RISK MANAGEMENT TO IDENTIFY YOUR OCIP, UM, ADMINISTRATOR.
SOMETHING THAT, UH, IS NOT NECESSARILY DOWN OUR LINE, BUT WE HAVE A NUANCE AND A SPECIALTY IN IDENTIFYING THOSE, UH, HELPING ORGANIZATIONS AND INDIVIDUALS FIND THOSE, UH, VERY DIFFICULT TO FILL POSITIONS, AND THAT IS A DIFFICULT POSITION WE'VE JUST BEGUN.
BUT, UM, WE DO VALUE OUR PARTNERSHIP AND SAID, WE'LL JUMP, YOU KNOW, FEET FIRST IN TO, TO ASSIST, UH, THE LEADERSHIP THERE.
I'M GONNA SKIP DC GOVERNMENT FOR NOW, AND I'LL COME BACK TO THAT.
SO I KNOW THERE'LL BE QUESTIONS WITH THAT.
BUT SOME OF THE POSITIONS VERY SIMILAR IN THAT LEGAL
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AREA AS WELL AS INVESTIGATIVE THAT WE'VE RECENTLY COMPLETED WITH DC WATER, THE LARGEST WA UH, ADVANCED WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY IN THE WORLD.ONE OF THE SIX EXECUTIVE POSITIONS WE FILLED HAS BEEN THERE.
UM, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT OF LEGAL AFFAIRS, THEIR GENERAL COUNSEL, THE DC OFFICE OF THE STATE SUPERINTENDENT IN WASHINGTON, DC THE CITY, THE GOVERNMENT, THE DISTRICT OPERATES AS BOTH, ALL, ALL THREE, A COUNTY, A CITY, AND A STATE.
SO WE ACTUALLY PLACED THE DIRECTOR OF AUDIT AND INVESTIGATIONS THERE, THE CITY OF DALLAS, UH, MICHELLE WE MENTIONED.
UM, MICHELLE ANDRE, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, THE CITY OF ALEXANDRIA, VIRGINIA, MOST RECENTLY, THE CITY ATTORNEY AS WELL AS THEIR OVERSIGHT POLICE AUDITOR, UM, THE CITY OF HAMPTON, VIRGINIA IN THE PAST THREE OR FOUR MONTHS.
THEIR CITY ATTORNEY, UH, DURHAM COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA, THEIR INTERNAL AUDITOR, UM, AND FAYETTEVILLE PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSION THERE.
UH, GENERAL COUNSEL, FAYETTEVILLE PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSION IS A, IS A PUBLIC UTILITY IN THE SOUTHEASTERN PART OF, OF, OF NORTH CAROLINA THAT MANAGES ALL OF THEIR UTILITIES AND PLACING THAT, THAT THE GENERAL COUNSEL THERE.
THERE'S ONLY A SNAPSHOT OF THOSE THAT WE FILL.
THIS DOESN'T LIST MAYBE THE DOZEN OR SO POLICE CHIEFS THAT WE FILLED, UM, WHO ALSO, OF COURSE HAVE THE INVESTIGATIVE AND LEGAL CRIMINAL LEGAL SYSTEM EXPERIENCE THAT COMES WITH THAT.
THIS POSITION WILL ALSO UNTOUCH.
SO THAT'S ANYWHERE FROM CHARLOTTESVILLE, VIRGINIA TO SOUTH FULTON, DOWN IN GEORGIA TO RICHMOND, VIRGINIA, FAIRFAX COUNTY, UM, URBANA, ILLINOIS.
AND WE'RE WORKING CURRENTLY WITH THE GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA, UH, GOVERNOR GLENN JUKIN IN IDENTIFYING HIS SUPERINTENDENT TO LEAD THE VIRGINIA STATE POLICE.
WE'VE ALSO WORKED AS FAR WEST AS IDENTIFYING THE SHERIFF FOR, UM, SHERIFF FOR KING COUNTY WASHINGTON.
OH, UH, I'M STOP BEFORE NEXT SLIDE.
WE CAN GO BACK, GO BACK TO THE, YOU'LL SEE THE FIRST THAT WE HAVE THERE ON THAT EXPERIENCE IS DC GOVERNMENT, GOVERNMENT OF DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, THE INSPECTOR GENERAL, THE INSPECTOR GENERALS IN DC BY STATUTE SERVE SIX YEAR TERMS. WE PLACED SOMEONE BACK WHEN I WAS WORKING WITH MAYOR WILLIAMS, SO THAT WAS IN 2002, 2003.
IT'S UNDERSTANDING THE TRANSITION OF WHAT YOU ALL ARE MOVING FROM THIS POSITION, BEING UNDER YOUR CITY ATTORNEY TO GOING TO COUNCIL.
WHEN WE WERE LEADING THAT SEARCH, WHEN I WAS LEADING THAT SEARCH AS A SENIOR STAFFER FOR THE MAYOR, UM, LEGISLATION WAS REWRITTEN, WAS WRITTEN TO MAKE THIS POSITION TO, NUMBER ONE, BROADEN THE SCOPE OF RESPONSIBILITIES AND QUALIFICATIONS.
MEANING THIS PERSON HAD TO HAVE A-C-P-A-A JD AND THEY HAD TO HAVE, UM, POLICE, LAW ENFORCEMENT, UM, UH, CREDENTIALS.
SO THAT MADE THAT TRIFECTA AND THEY HAD TO BE A DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA RESIDENT.
UM, THAT TRIFECTA, IDENTIFYING SOMEONE WITH THAT SKILLSET LITERALLY WAS FINDING THOSE THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE WHO LIVED WITHIN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, THOSE 700,000 INDIVIDUALS, TO IDENTIFY SOMEONE WHO COULD SERVE THIS ROLE.
SO I WORKED WITH OUR CITY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME TO HELP DRAFT THAT LEGISLATION, TO HELP PUT PIECES IN PLACE TO SAY, IS THERE A POOL OF INDIVIDUALS? BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT POSITION WAS BEING RE WAS BEING CREATED AND REIMAGINED SOMETHING THAT MAYOR MURIEL BOWSER STILL USES TODAY WITH THE, THE, THE, UM, INSPECTOR GENERAL WHO'S BEEN, I BELIEVE, SERVING CURRENTLY HIS, HIS SECOND TERM, SECOND SIX YEAR TERM.
SO I DID WANNA MENTION THAT THAT WAS AN OLDER POSITION, BUT I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME SIMILARITIES IN UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE A SHIFT OF WHAT WAS TO WHAT IS.
WHILE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE WHILE AGO, I DO BELIEVE THAT DIRECT EXPERIENCE, UH, PROVIDES US A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, INSIGHT TO SOME THINGS THAT WE MAY, WE MAY EXPERIENCE IN, UM, IN, IN THIS ROLE.
CAN WE GET THAT NEXT SLIDE THERE? UM, YES.
ACU MATCH PROCESS, THIS IS OUR SIX STEP PROCESS.
IT DOES NOT VARY MUCH FROM ANY EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRM THAT YOU SEE OUT THERE.
AS I MENTIONED, I'M AN EXECUTIVE RECRUITER, ACTUALLY REFER TO MYSELF AS A HEADHUNTER.
I BELIEVE THAT'S KIND OF OLD SCHOOL.
UM, WE LIKE TO GO AND TAP PEOPLE ON THE SHOULDERS.
SO IF YOU TALK TO ANY OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE PLACED THERE, IT WASN'T JUST RANDOM APPLICATIONS SENT IN.
SOME MAY HAVE SENT APPLICATIONS, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WE PICKED THE PHONE UP AND WE CALLED AND WE IDENTIFIED.
I BELIEVE THAT'S THE SPECIAL SAUCE, THAT IF YOU TAKE THIS PROCESS THAT WE BRANDED OUR ACU MATCH PROCESS AND GIVE IT TO EVERY EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRM IN THE COUNTRY, THEY PRETTY MUCH DO THE SAME THING.
SO WHEN I PUT IN FRONT OF YOU NOT NECESSARILY SHOWING SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE NOT SEEN BEFORE, WHAT THE DIFFERENTIATOR IS, IS WHO'S ACTUALLY MANAGING THAT.
WE ARE NOT, AND HAVE NO DESIRE TO BE A GLOBAL ORGANIZATION.
WHILE EVERYONE APPRECIATES GROWTH, I'M A CAPITALIST.
I HAVE AN MBA, UH, I SERVE IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR.
BUT UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A NEED
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TO CONTINUE TO SERVE IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR, TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THESE SKILLS THAT ARE TRANSFERABLE, I'M ABLE TO USE MY PASSION, WHICH IS RECRUITMENT AND TO HELP OUR GOVERNMENTS AND OUR COMMUNITIES OPERATE MORE EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY.SO WHAT WE SEE IS THIS IS WE'VE GOT EXPERIENCED, UM, PUBLIC SERVANTS DOING THIS WORK TO ASSIST, UM, ASSIST COMMUNITIES, IDENTIFY THE VERY, THE VERY STRONG PEOPLE, THE BEST TALENT THAT'S OUT THERE, CONVINCING THAT TALENT.
THEY SHOULD THINK ABOUT PUBLIC SECTOR OR THINK ABOUT THE CITY OF DALLAS AND WHAT THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS BEING REIMAGINED, WHAT THE CITY OF DALLAS WILL LOOK LIKE, AND HOW YOU CAN BE PART OF THAT FABRIC OF CHANGING WHAT THE CITY IS.
UM, SO THESE STEPS ARE NEEDS ANALYSIS.
THAT FIRST STEP IS MEETING WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS, YOU ALL BEING THE STAKEHOLDERS.
I'M ASSUMING THAT THIS IS THE, THE FOLKS THAT I'LL BE DEALING WITH.
WHEN WE DID THE WORK FOR, TO BRING, UM, THE, THE, THE OVERSIGHT, UH, DIRECTOR ON MICHELLE ANDRE.
WHAT WE WERE, WE DID, WE MET WITH EVERY, I MET INDIVIDUALLY WITH EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THAT COMMUNITY OVERSIGHT BOARD.
UM, I WAS, WAS THERE WITH THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER AND MET COLLECTIVELY TO DESCRIBE AND TALK ABOUT WHO WE WERE AND DESCRIBE THE PROCESS.
THEN INDIVIDUALLY HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR TO MAKE CERTAIN, WE FOUND THE MOST EFFECTIVE PERSON AND BEING ABLE TO REACH OUT TO THE CANDIDATE WHO WAS SELECTED, WHO I UNDERSTAND IS DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB.
I DO HEAR THAT FROM MEMBERS OF THE OVERSIGHT BOARD COMMUNITY WHO SEND MESSAGES ALL THE TIME SAYING, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE.
UM, SO WE TAKE PRIDE IN THAT AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT OUR INITIAL STEP ALLOWS US TO DO, BUILD THOSE RELATIONSHIPS, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT EACH OF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.
FROM THERE, WE DEVELOP A RECRUITMENT PROFILE.
THAT PROFILE TAKES THE POSITION DESCRIPTION THAT'S GIVEN TO US BY HUMAN RESOURCES.
AND WE TAKE THE ELEMENTS WE GET FROM YOU FROM THAT, THAT, THAT STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT THAT WE'RE DOING, THE TALKING, THE CONVERSATIONS, WE PUT THAT TOGETHER AND PUT SOMETHING AND PUT A, A PIECE OF COLLATERAL OUT TO SAY, HERE IS WHAT THE CITY OF DALLAS IS LOOKING FOR.
NOW, WE OPERATE A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY WHEN IT COMES TO THAT COLLATERAL.
UM, IT IS, IT IS, IT'S NOT, I'LL SAY THE COLLATERAL LAGS IN OUR PROCESS AND IT DOES NOT LEAD.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS WE DON'T PUT A BROCHURE OUT THERE AND SAY, HEY, HERE'S A BROCHURE.
TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND TELL ME IF YOU WANNA APPLY.
WE ACTUALLY BEGIN THE CONVERSATIONS AND SAY, WHEN THEY SAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE INFORMATION? KENYATA, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE INFORMATION, JIM, WE DO.
WE'D LIKE YOU TO SEE THIS PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE.
CLICK THE LINK WITHIN THAT BROCHURE.
IT'S GONNA OPEN UP AND SHOW YOU STATISTICS, UM, HISTORY, MORE ABOUT DALLAS, MORE ABOUT THE OFFICE THAN THE INSPECTOR GENERAL, ET CETERA.
SO WE ACTUALLY DEVELOPED THIS TO, TO, TO LAG OUR CONVERSATIONS, UH, AND OUR RECRUITMENT PROCESS.
NOW, THAT'S THE FORWARD OUTWARD FACING PIECE OF THE DOCUMENT.
WHAT WE ALSO DO, OR THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE JUST NOT THE TYPE OF THINGS IN RECRUITMENT AND PERSONNEL THAT YOU WANT IN THE PUBLIC SPACE.
THAT'S OUR INTERNAL PIECE OF IT.
SO THIS IS TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THOSE, UM, INTANGIBLES, THE TYPE OF PERSON WE NEED TO LEAD THE, THE, THE, THE DEMEANOR, UM, WHAT THE CULTURE OF THE ORGANIZATION MAY BE LIKE RIGHT NOW.
AND THINGS YOU MIGHT NOT WANNA DISCLOSE PUBLICLY.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE LEARNED FROM YOU.
ALL YOUR DESIRES, YOUR WISH, AND HOPES.
AND WE MATCH THAT WITH THE CANDIDATES DURING OUR VETTING PROCESS.
SO WE OPEN UP THE FUNNEL, WE GET A LOT OF FOLKS IN, WE START TO THEN NARROW AND SCREEN AND VET AND WORK AGAINST THAT EXTERNAL AND INTERNAL DOCUMENT AND HELP US IDENTIFY THE VERY BEST PEOPLE, WHICH KIND OF LEADS INTO STEP TWO AND STEP THREE.
THAT'S THAT CANDIDATE IDENTIFICATION, THAT'S USING THOSE SOURCES, GOING OUT AND TALKING TO THE RESPECTIVE, UM, UM, COMMUNITY GROUP.
NOT COMMUNITY GROUPS, BUT THE, THE THE RESPECTIVE PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATIONS.
THE, UM, HISPANIC BAR ASSOCIATION, THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION, THE NATIONAL BLACK BAR ASSOCIATION, THOSE BAR ASSOCIATIONS THAT WE WORK WITH DURING THE SEARCH FOR THE COMMUNITY OVERSIGHT DOWN THERE IN, IN THE DALLAS AREA AND THE STATE OF TEXAS.
SO TALKING TO THOSE ORGANIZATIONS AND ALLOWING THEM TO, UH, PROVIDE, UH, UH, SUGGESTIONS OF INDIVIDUALS WE MIGHT, SHOULD REACH OUT OR OTHER SOURCES.
WE DON'T DO A LOT OF ADVERTISING.
AND LET ME BE CLEAR WHY WE DON'T DO THAT.
WE DO ADVERTISE, AND I FUNDAMENTALLY BELIEVE THAT USING PUBLIC DOLLARS TO DO A SEARCH LIKE THIS, WE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD BE PLACING POSITIONS IN, UH, PLACING THOSE ADVERTISEMENTS WHERE EVERYONE KNOWS A SEARCH IS GOING ON, SHINE THE SPOTLIGHT ON IT, MAKE CERTAIN THEY KNOW THE SEARCH IS THERE.
NO ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, WE DIDN'T KNOW THE CITY OF DALLAS WAS SEEKING AN INSPECTOR GENERAL.
WE'LL MAKE CERTAIN THAT IT'S OUT THERE ON ICMA OR THE RESPECTIVE BOARDS N-F-B-P-A-I-C-M-A, WHEREVER IT MAY NEEDS TO BE.
BUT WE DON'T EXPECT TO ATTRACT OUR VERY BEST PEOPLE FROM THAT.
MY GOAL IS TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE ARE GETTING PEOPLE THAT MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE HAVE ANY INTEREST OR KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT DALLAS.
THAT'S OUR JOB TO SELL THEM AND BRING THEM TO THE TABLE.
THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUCCESSFUL.
AND OUR SUCCESS RATE, LET ME JUST BE VERY CLEAR ON THIS.
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HAVING FOUNDED THIS FIRM, ONE OF THE, AND AGAIN, ME BEING A PROFESSIONAL RECRUITER, ONLY HAVING RECRUITED FROM THE DAY I STEPPED OUT OF UNDERGRADUATE, DIDN'T KNOW WHAT RECRUITING WAS, WENT TO FIND A JOB AT A RECRUITING AGENCY AND THEY HIRED ME.THE PRESIDENT OF THE COMPANY SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, AS AN ENGLISH MAJOR, AN AFRICAN AMERICAN STUDIES MINOR, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? I WAS GONNA GO TO LAW SCHOOL, HAD NO IDEA.
AND I WAS ASKED TO SAY, COME TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT RECRUITING COULD DO.
AND I'D NEVER LOOKED BACK, GOT AN MBA THOUGHT I WAS GONNA GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
ENDED UP BACK RECRUITING AGAIN.
SO WE'RE RECRUITERS AND, AND, AND, AND WE, AGAIN, WE, UH, THE SUCCESS RATE, I BELIEVE, UM, WE, AT I I I, I LOOK AT IT AS ALMOST BEING AS CLOSE TO 99.9%, UH, AS YOU CAN BE.
AND UH, THE REASON I SAY THIS, WE DO OFFER A ONE YEAR GUARANTEE.
WE'VE NEVER, I'VE NEVER HAD TO, UM, ACTIVATE THAT, THAT GUARANTEE NO ONE'S COME BACK TO ME AND SAID, UM, AND WE KEEP IN CONTACT WITH OUR PLACEMENTS THAT THIS PERSON WITHIN A YEAR'S TIME DID NOT WORK OUT.
ANYTIME SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENED, THAT WOULD NOT BE FROM THE GUARANTEE.
A MAYORAL APPOINTEE MAY HAVE COME IN IN THE LAST, THE LAST OF THE ADMINISTRATION.
AND BECAUSE OF A TRANSITION, A PERSON MAY HAVE TRANSITIONED OUT WITH A NEW MAYOR, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY INSTANCE WHERE SOMEONE DIDN'T WORK THAT THAT THAT ONE YEAR.
AND IF I'M WRONG, I WILL LET YOU KNOW, BUT I'M ALMOST CERTAIN THAT I TRACK RECORD AS CLOSE TO 99.99% AS IT CAN BE MOVING FURTHER ON.
UM, AS WE GO THROUGH OUR, UH, ASSESSMENT OF, OF, OF THE CANDIDATES, WHAT WE'LL DO IS, AGAIN, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL MATCH THAT THEIR BACKGROUND AS WE VET IT WITH WHAT WE ARE TOLD WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR AND WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM YOU ALL.
WE THEN PRESENT THE CANDIDATES.
WE ACTUALLY GIVE YOU A DE UH, A SUMMARY ANALYSIS OF WHO THIS INDIVIDUAL IS, SOME OF OUR NOTES.
AND WHILE WE FEEL THAT THESE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS YOU SHOULD BE SPENDING YOUR TIME GETTING TO KNOW BETTER, ONCE THAT SELECTION IS MADE, WE THEN GO WORK ALONGSIDE YOU FOR THAT OFFER NEGOTIATION.
AND WE'LL ALWAYS MAKE CERTAIN THAT AS WE GET TO THAT OFFER, LET'S, LET'S MORE OVER HERE.
BRING IT AS WE GET CLOSER TO THAT, THAT OFFER PART WE'VE MAKE, MAKE CERTAIN THAT NOTHING FALLS APART.
SOMETIMES WE WANNA MAKE CERTAIN THAT THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN.
AND FINALLY TRANSITION AND FOLLOW UP.
WE STAY IN CONTACT WITH THE PEOPLE THAT WE PLACE AT LEAST THROUGH THAT ONE YEAR, THAT ONE YEAR MARK, TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE'VE SAID THAT IS NOT TRUE.
WE KEEP IN CONTACT WITH THE CLIENT TO MAKE SURE THE CLIENT FEELS AS STRONGLY AS THEY DO WHEN THEY HIRE THAT INDIVIDUAL.
'CAUSE THAT ONE YEAR PIECE, NOT ONLY IS IT A GUARANTEE PIECE, BUT IT'S ALSO THAT TIME WHEN PEOPLE ARE BACK AND FORTH MAY SAY THEY'RE A LITTLE, I DON'T HAVE THE RELATIONSHIP I NEED TO HAVE WITH THE CLIENT TO TELL THEM THAT THIS IS WHAT I'M FEELING.
SO WE'RE ABLE TO BRIDGE THAT GAP.
AND I THINK THAT ENSURES THAT SUCCESS IN ONE, UH, IN THAT ONE YEAR PERIOD.
AND WE CONTINUE MUCH AFTER THAT, CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS, UH, BECAUSE MANY OF THEM BECOME CLIENTS.
HOW DO WE DO THIS IS A THREE-TIERED APPROACH.
ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE WORKING WITH US ON ME, WITH ME IS JIM BANKS.
HE WAS A FORMER, UM, JIM WAS A FORMER CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, VICE MAYOR IN THE CITY OF RICHMOND, UH, MILITARY.
HE WAS A FORMER, UM, GENERAL COUNSEL FOR SHRM, UH, MOST RECENTLY.
AND, UH, BEFORE THAT 10 YEARS, HE SERVED AS THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY OF ALEXANDRIA, VIRGINIA.
HAVING SOMEONE WITH THAT SKILLSET WHO'S STILL OUT ON THE NATIONAL CIRCUIT, TALKING TO PEOPLE WHO ARE INVESTIGATORS, WHO ARE ATTORNEYS WHO WORK IN THESE ROLES IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR, REALLY HELPS US WITH THAT TECHNICAL INTELLIGENCE PIECE.
WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER ATTORNEY, UH, ON BOARD.
MARCIA THOMPSON, WHO'S OUTTA CHICAGO.
SHE COMES FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.
SHE'S WORKING WITH ME ON A NUMBER OF OUR POLICE SEARCHES.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT MARCIA THOMPSON, YOU'LL FIND THAT IF THERE'S ANY MAJOR CASE GOING ON, AN INVESTIGATION GOING ON INTO POLICE DEPARTMENTS, WHETHER IT BE THE BREONNA TAYLOR CASE, WHETHER IT BE MICHAEL BROWN, WHAT HAVE YOU, SHE'S ONE OF THE LEAD INDIVIDUALS ON THAT.
SHE WAS ACTUALLY INTRODUCED TO ME BY A CLIENT DOING, UM, A POLICE CHIEF SEARCH SAYING, WE'VE GOT AN INVESTIGATIVE PERSON, PERSON FROM ANOTHER FIRM WORKING WITH US.
AND WE'VE HAD A SOLID RELATIONSHIP SINCE THAT TIME.
UM, SO THAT'S MY TECHNICAL INTELLIGENCE PIECE OF IT.
KAMALA AZEL JONES, WHO IS ON OUR TEAM, DR.
KAMALA IS BASED OUT OF, OF OF DURHAM, NORTH CAROLINA.
SHE'S ABLE TO ADMINISTER THE EQI 2.0 EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE ASSESSMENT.
WHAT THAT DOES, AND NOT NECESSARILY MIGHT NOT BE NEEDED IN THIS INSTANCE, BUT IF WE FIND THERE ARE CANDIDATES THAT THERE'S JUST SOMETHING MORE WE NEED TO KNOW, DR.
KAMALA THEN COMES IN TO DO THAT KIND OF EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE, THE FIT PIECE OF IT.
LET'S USE THIS ASSESSMENT AND HER PHD IN COUNSELING PSYCHOLOGY, WHO THIS INDIVIDUAL IS AND HOW THEY MIGHT FIT.
AND WE PULL ALL THAT TOGETHER AND IT COMES DOWN TO THE LEADERSHIP INTELLIGENCE.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE I WEAR THAT HAT.
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RECRUITMENT, I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S LIKE TO SIT IN THE OFFICE.I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PRESSURES ARE THAT ELECTEDS HAVE WHEN IT COMES TO THIS.
AND I UNDERSTAND FROM THE CONSTITUENT SIDE WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND BEING ABLE TO ASSESS THOSE THREE LEVELS OF ASSESSMENT GETS US TO SUCCESS EVERY TIME.
THE LAST STEP IS PRESENTATION OF THE CANDIDATES TO THE, WHY DIDN'T WE BRING 80 PAIRS OF GLOVES? NEXT, UM, SLIDE YOU NEED, UM, THESE ARE JUST SOME OF OUR RECRUITMENT SOURCES.
AND I HEAR A CHILD IN THE BACKGROUND AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOMEONE OUT OF SCHOOL.
LIKE, MY KIDS HAVE BEEN OUTTA SCHOOL FOR THE LAST TWO WEEKS.
UM, BUT THESE ARE RECRUITMENT SOURCES, OKAY? OKAY.
THESE ARE THE BASIC RECRUITMENT SOURCES.
BUT WE DO, UM, BY ALL MEANS, REACH OUT TO MANY OTHERS.
I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT SLIDE WITH YOU.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE ALL STANDARD TIMELINE.
WE HAVE CONDUCTED SEARCHES FAR LESS THAN 90 DAYS.
THE CEO FOR DC WATER TOOK US 30 DAYS TO DO OVER A HOLIDAY.
AND DAVID GAD HAS BEEN THERE NOW SIX, SEVEN YEARS, UM, SIX MONTHS FOR YOUR COMMUNITY, UH, POLICE OVERSIGHT.
AND I SAY SIX MONTHS IS NOT, IT TOOK US THAT LONG TO GET PEOPLE TO YOU, BUT THERE WAS A TRANSITION IN CITY LEADERSHIP AND THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PATH FORWARD.
SO THAT'S WHAT PUT THAT DELAY IN THERE.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE LONGEST SEARCH THAT WE'VE CONDUCTED, BUT I THINK WE GOT SUCCESS WITH THAT SEARCH.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S IN OUR SWEET SPOT.
AND I ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE ON THE NEXT SLIDE, IF YOU WANNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THERE IS A TIMELINE THAT GIVES YOU KIND OF WHAT WE PROPOSE OR FEEL WE CAN DO WITH THIS KICKOFF MEETING.
SHOULD POLL HIRE, BE THE FIRM THAT YOU ALL FEEL COULD BEST ASSIST YOU.
THE POSITION WOULD OPEN UP MID TO LATE JANUARY.
WE'LL HAVE OUR ONGOING STAKEHOLDER, UM, MEETINGS.
WE DO BIWEEKLY WRITTEN REPORTS, UM, IN LATE FEBRUARY.
OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO ABLE TO START SAYING, LET'S DO OUR FIRST REVIEW, MEANING INTERNALLY, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT AND BEING ABLE TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE READY TO START, START PRESENTING CANDIDATES MID TO LATE MARCH.
AND AGAIN, I'M LOOKING AT THESE DATES, I DON'T, IT DOESN'T SAY THIS HERE, MID TO LATE MARCH IS, I THINK WHEN CANDIDATE INTERVIEWS CAN TAKE PLACE, THESE THINGS MAY MOVE, BUT THE GOAL WOULD BE BY APRIL YOU ARE IN THE PROCESS OF ONBOARDING, WHETHER THAT'S MID OR LATE APRIL, NO LATER THAN THAT.
OUR GOAL IS TO GET THIS TO ENGAGE IN WHAT WE CALL IT, GETTING IT OFF OUR BOARD TOO.
WE KNEW THAT COMING IN, WE WEIGHED.
DOES THIS MAKE SENSE FOR US TO ENGAGE WITH YOU ALL ON THIS? BECAUSE THERE ARE TIMES THAT YOU'VE REACHED OUT TO US AND WE'VE SAID, YOU KNOW, MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST POSITION FOR US.
WE ARE, AGAIN, I MENTIONED WE ARE A BOUTIQUE, SO WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU THE HANDS ON TREATMENT IF WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ACCESSIBLE TO YOU WHEN YOU CALL, WHENEVER THAT IS, WE'LL SAY WE CAN'T HANDLE IT RIGHT NOW.
WE CONSIDER OURSELVES THE TIFFANY'S OF THE INDUSTRY.
SO YOU CAN GO TO WALMART OR YOU CAN GO TO COSTCO AND GET A DIAMOND RING.
YOU CAN BUY ALL THE JEWELRY YOU WANT TO THERE.
I SHOP THERE NOT FOR JEWELRY, BUT GREAT PLACES.
WHEN WE TELL YOU WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH YOU, WE'RE GONNA MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE CAN PROVIDE YOU THAT SUPERIOR SERVICE EACH TIME THAT WE'RE DOING.
SO HAVING THIS POSITION COMPLETED, CANDIDATES TO YOU AND THE ONBOARDING PROCESS TAKING PLACE, THE IDEAL GOAL WOULD BE, UM, SOME POINT IN APRIL.
THESE OTHER PIECES MAY MOVE DEPENDENT UPON THE FIRST COUPLE OF WEEKS OF ENGAGEMENT, BUT WE DON'T FEEL THIS WILL TAKE US PAST THE MONTH OF APRIL.
UM, I THINK, OH, FINAL, FINAL SLIDE.
IS THAT IT? THERE'S ONE MORE SLIDE.
$45,000, UM, WHICH IS IN OUR CONTRACT.
SO WE ARE UNDER CONTRACT SERVICE AGREEMENT FOR THIS POSITION.
UM, WELL NOT ALL OUR POSITIONS, BUT THIS POSITION WOULD BE $45,000.
IT WOULD ALLOW US TO GET TO SUCCESS, UM, QUICKER.
AND THIS TELLS YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW OUR BUILDING WOULD WORK AND, UM, OUR GUARANTEES THERE AS WELL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, COLLEAGUES.
AND THE QUESTION, I DON'T SEE ANY.
UM, COLLEAGUES, I, I KNOW, UM, UH, CHAIRMAN STEWART LEAD THE LEAVE, UM, RIGHT AT 1130.
UM, I KNOW THOSE ARE THE THREE, UM, PRESENTATION OF THE FE FOR THE SEARCH.
UM, SO DO Y'ALL WANNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TODAY? UH, OR WHAT? I'M JUST TRYING TO GET SOMETHING DONE AND AND, AND MOVE THIS ON.
UH, YES, I'M PREPARED TO RANK THE CANDIDATE CONSULTANTS.
UM, I WOULD RANK, UM, MGT NUMBER ONE, PAULA HIRE NUMBER TWO, AND KORN FERRY AT DISTANCE THREE
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AT JESSE MORENO.YOU WANNA GIVE YOUR RANK? I CAN'T HEAR YOU, YOU IN THE SNOW WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR KIDS.
SO, UM, WHAT'S GOING ON? SHE, SHE, SHE GOT YOUR PHONE.
YOU ON MUTE? JESSE, YOU ON MUTE? CAN YOU HEAR ME? JESSE, YOU ON MUTE? OKAY.
I'M COME BACK TO A, A CHAIRMAN.
STU, YOU WANNA RANK HIM? I CONCUR WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.
MGT IS ONE, PROBABLY HIRES TWO AND, UM, YEAH, I THINK I WOULDN'T RANK THE OTHER ONE.
UM, I AGREE WITH MY TWO COLLEAGUES AND I'M, UH, UNWILLING TO RANK AN ORGANIZATION THAT'S NOT GONNA BE TRANSPARENT ENOUGH TO GIVE US THEIR OKAY.
BUT I ALSO, I ALSO WANT TO CALL OUT SOMETHING THAT I THINK HAS BEEN INTERESTING TO HEAR WITH THE PRESENTATIONS, WHICH IS THE TIME PERIOD THAT THEY'RE WORKING WITH STAFF ON EXISTING RECRUITMENTS.
SO WHEN YOU HEAR THAT, UM, THE CIO SEARCH IS STILL ONGOING AND OUR CIO LEFT BEFORE TC BROAD KNOCKS, I THINK THAT SAYS SOMETHING.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CRITICISM OF THIS COMMITTEE THAT WE'RE NOT MOVING FAST ENOUGH, BUT WE'RE MOVING AT THE SAME PACE AS CITY HALL.
UM, AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT THAT TOOK SIX MONTHS.
WE ARE BEGINNING THE EIGHTH MONTH OF THIS SEARCH.
UM, AND I'D ALSO JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT CHAIR THAT THERE WAS AN INTERIM CITY MANAGER IN AUSTIN FOR 15 MONTHS AND THERE WAS AN INTERIM CITY MANAGER IN EL PASO FOR 15 MONTHS.
SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING IN A PROPER TIMELINE.
UM, I'M SAYING THERE HAVEN'T BEEN SOME BUMPS, BUT CERTAINLY NOT ANYTHING OUT OF THE NORM.
UM, AND I APPRECIATE THAT MY TWO COLLEAGUES WHO RANKED BEFORE ME HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME OPINION.
THANK YOU ON, ON THOSE, UH, FIRMS. OKAY.
UH, JUSTIN MARINA, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? CAN'T HEAR YOU.
UH, WE ARE RANKING THE, THE THREE, UM, UM, PRESENTATION.
SO CAN YOU GIMME A RANKING? YES.
AND SO I, I'M FOLLOWING, UH, CHAIRMAN RIDLEY'S, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL.
OKAY, WELL I THINK WE GOT UNANIMOUS.
UH, I THINK WE'RE GONNA GO WITH, UM, MGT.
SO CAN I GET A MOTION WITH THAT? YES, MR. CHAIR.
I MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND THE RETENTION OF MGT TO ACT AS THE, UH, RECRUITER FOR OUR INSPECTOR GENERAL.
UH, I, I THANK Y'ALL AND I KNOW IT'S AT 11 30, 11 27.
I, I KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER COMMITTEE MEETING, SO ZEL GONNA GET WITH EVERYONE AND TRYING TO RECAP WHAT WE DISCUSSING ON THE FIRST WITH BAKER TILLERSON.
SO WE NEED TO GO, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER MEETING.
WE GOTTA HAVE ANOTHER MEETING TO KIND OF CLEAN UP SOME DETAIL, BUT ALSO HE GONNA PULL A RECORD OF OUR LAST MEETING AND THE DISCUSSION WITH BAKER TILLERSON WHEN THEY OBSERVED THE OTHER COMPANY.
SO WE WILL GET THAT TO YOU PROBABLY SOMETIME NEXT WEEK.
AND I WILL SCHEDULE A MEETING SOMETIME NEXT WEEK, LET YOU KNOW.