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[Transportation and Infrastructure Committee on January 21, 2025.]
DALLAS. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE APPROVAL OF LAST MONTH'S MEETING ON DECEMBER 3RD, 2024 MINUTES. SO MOVED. SECOND. WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND.IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, ANY DISCUSSION? ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING? NO DISCUSSION.
CAN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED? PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING NO. THE AYES HAVE IT.
DOCTOR GUS KHANCARLI, THE DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS, WILL BE GIVING THIS PRESENTATION WITH HIS AMAZING TEAM.
AND THE FLOOR IS YOURS WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, DOCTOR KHANCARLI.
HONORABLE CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US HERE. THIS AFTERNOON I AM JOINED BY OUR CHIEF PLANNER MISS RUSH AND OUR BIKE MANAGER, MISS SCOTT, TO TALK ABOUT THE LATEST UPDATE ON THE BIKE PLAN AS WE ARE READY TO FINALIZE THIS PLAN AND BRING IT TO COUNCIL. IN IN FEW MONTHS HERE FOR FINAL ADOPTION.
SO THE PURPOSE OF THE PRESENTATION IS TO PROVIDE THE UPDATE STATUS UPDATE ON THE BIKE PLAN, AND THE PRESENTATION COVERS THE OBJECTIVES OF THE UPDATING OF THE BIKE PLAN, HOW WE COMPARE TO PEER CITIES ACTION ITEMS FROM THE OCTOBER 2024 BRIEFING COMMITTEE BRIEFING THREE PHASED IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.
THE AMENDMENT PROCESS AND THE BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE NEXT STEPS.
SO, WITH THE OBJECTIVES OF THE OPERATION OF UPDATING THE BIKE PLAN IS TO PROVIDE THE UPDATED NETWORK MAP, ENSURE CONNECTIVITY, PROVIDE GREATER SAFETY AND IMPROVE THE SYSTEM CONNECTIVITY TO TRAILS AND TRANSIT.
WE ALSO WANT TO PRESENT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE NEW BIKE FACILITY DESIGN STANDARDS AND THEN PROVIDE MORE DETAILED GUIDANCE ON PROJECT PRIORITIZATION AND PHASING. SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CATHERINE TO GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
SO ALL OF THESE NUMBERS GENERALLY COME FROM EACH CITY'S OPEN DATA PORTAL, KIND OF LIKE OUR GIS DATA THAT WE THAT WE HAVE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, WITH THE ONLY EXCEPTION BEING AUSTIN, WHICH IT CAME FROM THEIR RECENTLY UPDATED PLAN.
AND SO, IN GENERAL, WHILE WE ARE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND ON TOTAL NUMBERS COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES, WE ARE AHEAD IN TERMS OF NUMBERS LIKE PHYSICALLY SEPARATED BIKE LANES.
WE HAVE A RELATIVELY HIGH NUMBERS OF OR THAT WE KNOW OF HIGH COMFORT, SHARED LANE FACILITIES.
BUT THIS IS JUST TO POINT OUT THAT WHILE SOME NUMBERS ARE LOWER, THERE ARE SOME KEY NUMBERS THAT ARE MATTERING MORE AND MORE LIKE PROTECTED BIKE LANES, THAT WE ACTUALLY ARE HIGHER THAN OTHER CITIES.
SO ACTION ITEMS FROM OUR OCTOBER TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE BRIEFING INCLUDED FINALIZING OUR VISION, STATEMENT AND GOALS, FINALIZING OUR ACTION ITEMS AND STRATEGIES, AND CONFIRMING DEPARTMENT RESPONSIBILITIES, WHICH WE'VE DONE. DEVELOPING A THREE PHASE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AND INCORPORATING INPUT FROM THE BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
NOW, THE THREE PHASE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN TOOK A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN WE ANTICIPATED TO DEVELOP, SO WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET TO THE ENGAGEMENT LAST ROUND OF ENGAGEMENT YET, BUT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT MORE LATER ON IN NEXT STEPS.
SO THIS IS NOW JUST TAKING THAT INFORMATION AND SHOWING YOU THE RESULTS OF IT.
IT CONSISTS OF 83 MILES, AND THE TOTAL NETWORK BUILDOUT AT THE END WOULD BE 231 MILES.
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THIS IS MOSTLY PREVIOUSLY FUNDED PROJECTS, PROJECTS THAT WERE FUNDED THROUGH GRANTS OR THE BOND PROGRAM, AS WELL AS SOME LOWER COST AND HIGH PRIORITY TOP 15 PROJECTS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE BIKE PLAN.ALSO PINE STREET, MAPLE BEACON, AND A WHITE ROCK CREEK TRAIL TO PRESTON RIDGE TRAIL CONNECTION.
SO ONE NUMBER I WANTED TO POINT OUT, OH, COULD YOU GO BACK TO PHASE ONE REALLY FAST? ONE NUMBER I WANTED TO POINT OUT HERE IS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE NOTICED ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE THAT SHOWED ALL OF THE BIKE LANE MILEAGE NUMBERS WE HAD, I THINK ABOUT 204 MILES OF EXISTING BIKE FACILITIES.
THAT'S BECAUSE OUR GOAL IS TO IMPLEMENT AN ALL AGES AND ABILITIES NETWORK.
AND HISTORICALLY, THERE ARE MANY SHARROWS OR SHARED LANE MARKINGS THAT WERE INSTALLED ON VERY BUSY STREETS THAT ARE REALLY NOT COMFORTABLE FOR ALL AGES AND ABILITIES. AND SO WE DON'T THINK SHOULD BE MAINTAINED IF WE WANT TO PROMOTE A QUALITY, A HIGH QUALITY OF BIKE FACILITIES.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT NUMBER, EVEN WITH 83 MILES ADDITIONAL, ISN'T AS HIGH.
THERE ARE 197 MILES IN PHASE TWO AND THE TOTAL NETWORK BUILDOUT AT THE END WOULD BE 428 MILES.
THE PROJECTS FOR PHASE TWO WERE SELECTED USING PRIORITIZATION CRITERIA THAT CAN BE FOUND IN THE APPENDIX TO THE PRESENTATION, AS WELL AS INPUT FROM THE BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND ALSO CONSIDERATION ABOUT LOGIC HAVING A MORE LOGICAL BUILDOUT OF A NETWORK AND NOT HAVING KIND OF SMALL GAPS, THINGS LIKE THAT. ALL RIGHT.
NEXT SLIDE. AND PHASE THREE. SO THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE LOWER PRIORITY AND WOULD BE COMPLETED AFTER PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO PROJECTS UNLESS OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEIR IMPLEMENTATION ARISE. FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THROUGH A RESURFACING PROGRAM OR THROUGH A GRANT, THOSE PROJECTS COULD BE PURSUED THROUGH THOSE TYPES OF OPPORTUNITIES.
THERE ARE 331 MILES IN PHASE THREE, AND THE TOTAL NETWORK BUILDOUT AT THE END WOULD BE 760 MILES.
NEXT SLIDE. ALL RIGHT. SO THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW CAN WE ACCELERATE PROJECT DELIVERY EITHER TO ACHIEVE PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO FASTER, OR TO SPEED UP THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN IMPLEMENTED AND GET THOSE IMPLEMENTED FASTER? SO WE LOOKED AT BEST PRACTICES FROM THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION, AS WELL AS FROM THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CITY TRANSPORTATION OFFICIALS, NACTO AND WE CAME UP WITH SOME STRATEGIES. SOME OF THESE, SUCH AS THE ONES ON THIS SLIDE, ARE SOME THAT WE ARE ALREADY DOING. SO THAT INCLUDES DEDICATING FUNDING FOR BIKE LANES.
WE EXECUTED TWO ON CALL CONTRACTS FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES.
WE MOVED AN EXISTING ENGINEERING POSITION TO THE BIKE PROGRAM.
THERE WAS OPPORTUNITIES TO REALLOCATE POSITIONS.
AND SO WE DO STILL HAVE DEDICATED ENGINEERING SUPPORT FOR THE BIKE PROGRAM.
SO THESE ARE KIND OF YOUR PLUG AND PLAY SORT OF DESIGN STANDARDS.
ADDITIONAL ACTION ITEMS THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING AND WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE BIKE PLAN AS RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDE UPDATING BIKE FACILITY DESIGN STANDARDS AND OUR STREET DESIGN MANUAL, STANDARDIZING BEFORE AND AFTER EVALUATIONS OF BIKE PROJECTS.
THIS IS REALLY BENEFICIAL FOR DEMONSTRATING PROOF OF CONCEPT AND BUILDING SUPPORT FOR BIKE PROJECTS.
ALSO, IMPROVING MESSAGING AROUND THE BENEFITS OF MULTIMODAL PROJECTS.
ESTABLISHING STANDARDIZED PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT AND TRAFFIC STUDY PROCEDURES AND REQUIREMENTS.
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SO TALKING ABOUT THE BIKE PLAN AMENDMENT PROCESS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET TO IN THE LAST BRIEFING, BUT WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO LEARN ABOUT. SO AMENDMENTS TO THE BIKE NETWORK MAP WILL OCCASIONALLY BE NEEDED TO BE WILL OCCASIONALLY BE NEEDED FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, DETAILED PLANNING, ANALYSIS AND PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.SO IT COULD BE CHANGES TO ROUTES POTENTIALLY.
AMENDMENTS WOULD BE TAKEN TO CITY COUNCIL ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
FOLLOWING A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND INPUT FROM THE BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
WE'RE ALSO INCLUDING SOME CRITERIA FOR EVALUATING REQUESTED AMENDMENTS.
SO DIRECTNESS, FOR EXAMPLE, DOES THE PROPOSED ROUTE TAKE BICYCLISTS SIGNIFICANTLY OUT OF THE WAY COMPARED TO THE CURRENT ROUTE? ALSO, COMFORT WOULD IT SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASE THE COMFORT LEVEL OF A BIKE FACILITY, OR WOULD IT INCREASE IT? AND THEN CONNECTIVITY? DOES IT INCREASE OR DECREASE CONNECTIONS TO DESTINATIONS? ALSO, BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WE FOUND BY A REVIEW OF OTHER PEER CITIES, CAN BE CRUCIAL TO IMPLEMENTING AND STAYING ON TARGET WITH BIKE PLAN IMPLEMENTATION. SO THE PLAN IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE BE MAINTAINED AS A FORMAL COMMITTEE OR AN INFORMAL WORKING GROUP.
IT WOULD HELP TO MONITOR PROGRESS FOR IMPLEMENTING THE PLAN, ADVISE ON ANY BIKE POLICY QUESTIONS SO THAT COULD BE THINGS RELATED TO BIKE PARKING REQUIREMENTS OR DESIGN STANDARDS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
PROVIDING INPUT DURING BIKE PROJECT PLANNING AND DESIGN PHASES.
AND THEN PROVIDING FEEDBACK ON REQUESTED AMENDMENTS TO THE BIKE NETWORK MAP, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD MEET ON A QUARTERLY BASIS, AND THIS COULD BE CONSOLIDATED WITH THE CURRENT MICROMOBILITY WORKING GROUP INTO JUST ONE GROUP.
SO NEXT STEPS. SO WE ARE GEARING UP TO CONDUCT OUR FINAL ROUND OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND THEN BE OFF TO ADOPTION LATER THIS SPRING OR EARLY SUMMER. SO PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR THE REVISED DRAFT PLAN WE ANTICIPATE OCCURRING FROM LATE FEBRUARY TO LATE MARCH 2025. WE WOULD THEN BE INCORPORATING PUBLIC COMMENTS IN APRIL AND WORKING TO BRING THE UPDATED BIKE PLAN TO CITY COUNCIL IN MAY.
ALL RIGHT. SO THANK YOU, CATHERINE. AND WITH THAT HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR DEDICATION AND YOUR AMENDING IT AS OFTEN AS YOU HAVE, BECAUSE IT STARTED OFF WHEN AREA AND IT HAS REALLY BECOME A MORE ROBUST PLAN THAN WE EVER PROBABLY ORIGINALLY THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK OUR BIKE ENTHUSIASTS AND SUPPORTERS OUT THERE.
SO I, I SEE BECCA FROM THE DESK DALLAS BICYCLE COALITION IN THE AUDIENCE HERE.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER ROUND OF PUBLIC COMMENT FOR YOU GUYS. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUES, AND I'M GOING TO ASK MR. RESENDEZ FIRST, BECAUSE HE IS OUR BICYCLE ENTHUSIAST ON THE COUNCIL, AND HE DOES THIS QUITE OFTEN AND TELLS US A LOT ABOUT THE BIKE LANES.
SO MR. RESENDEZ, I'M GOING TO LET YOU GO FIRST.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
AND I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. YOU KNOW THAT AS FAR AS MY CONCERNS ARE STILL RELATED TO THE IMPLEMENTATION. AND I KNOW THAT WAS ADDRESSED DURING THE PRESENTATION.
BUT I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU ALL, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, DISTRICT FIVE'S PERSPECTIVE WHEN WE LOOK AT PHASE ONE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE ALREADY FUNDED, AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'LL BE ABOUT A YEAR OR TWO WHEN WE'RE COMPLETE, WHEN THOSE PROJECTS WILL BE COMPLETE. AND SO FOR DISTRICT FIVE TO MOVE INTO, INTO PHASE TWO, WHICH COULD BE WITHIN THE NEXT 20 YEARS. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S I DON'T THINK IT'S SPECIFIC ENOUGH FOR DISTRICT FIVE.
AND I DO THINK EVEN WITH PHASE ONE'S MAP, THERE'S A COUPLE OF GAPS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
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I DON'T SEE HILLBURN. I KNOW HILLBURN WAS ADDED TO THE 2024 BOND PACKAGE, AND IT WILL BE A COMPLETE STREETS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.I DON'T SEE THAT ON THE MAP. I ALSO DON'T SEE GENE STREET ON PHASE ONE'S MAP.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO WANTED TO POINT THOSE THINGS OUT.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS PLAN.
THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER WAY. THERE'S GOT TO BE A WAY TO DO SOME OF THESE THINGS SOONER, ESPECIALLY FOR SOMEBODY THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT PRIORITIZES THE BIKE PLAN.
I JUST FEEL LIKE WE GOT TO HAVE A LOT MORE URGENCY THAN 20 YEARS.
THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS AT THIS MOMENT, MISTER CHAIR. THANK YOU.
I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF WANTS TO RESPOND TO THOSE AGAIN.
I MEAN, GREAT COMMENTS, SIR, AND I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
SO THIS IS THE THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND TO CHAIR NARVAEZ POINT.
A LOT OF WORK HAS GONE INTO THE INTO THE PLANNING FOR ONE.
ONE OF THE KEY REASONS HERE IS TO ENSURE OUR PLAN IS NIMBLE AND FLEXIBLE.
AND IT WAS STARTED BECAUSE INITIALLY WE WANTED TO HAVE THAT CONNECTION.
CERTAINLY. WE HAVE THE ELAM PROJECT UNDER CONTRACT RIGHT NOW TO GET IT OFF THE GROUND AND GET IT GOING AND WORKING ALSO WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT FOR THE TOD THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, THE BUCKNER.
STATION THAT EVENTUALLY WE WERE WE ARE LOOKING AT THE GAP RIGHT NOW.
SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING KIND OF IN THE BACKGROUND.
IN ADDITION TO, LIKE I SAID, THE FLEXIBILITY IN THE PLAN.
SO I HEAR YOU AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, FROM OUR COMMITMENT IS OUR PLANS ARE NIMBLE AND FLEXIBLE, AND WE CAN ADJUST. AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
I APPRECIATE THE RESPONSE. I JUST KNOW THAT IF SOMEBODY THAT LIVES IN DISTRICT FIVE, THEY SEE THE MAP, THEY SEE THE PHASES, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE AWARE OR THEY'RE GOING TO THINK THAT THE CITY IS NOT FOCUSING ON THAT AREA.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT BEING ON PAPER, I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT AS WELL.
BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE RESPONSE. YES, SIR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.
WE'RE GOING TO START WITH MR. ATKINS, THEN MR. GRACEY, THEN COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ, AND THEN IF OUR OTHER TWO COLLEAGUES SHOW UP, THEN WE'LL ADD THEM IN BEFORE WE'RE DONE, AND THEN I'LL GO AT THE END. MR. ATKINS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
THANK YOU. I GUESS I LOST MY TITLE, MR. ATKINS NOW.
I APOLOGIZE. NO PROBLEM. BUT, GUS LOOKING AT THIS HERE, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK 10 OR 15 YEARS AGO, THAT WHEN WE HAD THE BIKE PLAN. THE BIKE TRAIL PLAN WE HAD A WHOLE LOT OF CONNECTIVITY AROUND UNT DALLAS.
AND HERE I DON'T SEE THAT CONNECTIVITY IN PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE, AND ALSO GOING INTO THE WESTERN PART OF DALLAS IN DISTRICT THREE. SO RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE IN PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO, PHASE THREE, THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN COUNTING INTO THE PHASE WITH THE CONNECTIVITY WITH THE WHOLE LOOP FOR THE WHOLE CITY AS A WHOLE.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PHASE TWO AND YOU LOOK AT THE GREEN RECOMMEND TRAILS, WE GOT TRAILS, BUT IT'S NOT CONNECTIVITY. I KNOW WE STARTED WITH COMPLETE STREETS OVER AT UNIVERSITY HILL AND CAMP WISDOM, AND THOSE COMPLETE STREET WAS FOR BIKE LANES AND RIGHT NOW WE HAD A WHOLE LOT OF CYCLISTS WHO RIDE DOWN CAMP WISDOM, UNIVERSITY HILL AND, AND ON A WEEKEND OR WHATEVER.
WE STILL DON'T HAVE THOSE TRAILS, THOSE BIKE LANES.
SO I DON'T SEE THIS IN THE FUTURE, NOTHING THERE.
SO WHAT HAPPENED THERE? AND HOW CAN WE GET FUNDING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE CONNECTIVITY IN THE SOUTH, WHICH IS AROUND UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS? YES, SIR.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. AGAIN, I'LL LET CATHERINE ELABORATE ON THAT.
BUT JUST FOR EXAMPLE, WE DO HAVE, AS YOU'RE AWARE, WHEATLAND PROJECT THAT HAS BIKE LANES AND WE'RE PUSHING TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD FOR DELIVERY SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A FULL CONNECTIVITY ON THAT STRETCH OF THE ROADWAY AND THE NEW LOCATION.
CERTAINLY THE UNIVERSITY HILLS AREA AND THE UNT AREA IS A KEY AREA FOR CONNECTIVITY.
AND I WILL LET CATHERINE KIND OF ELABORATE ON THAT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME PROJECTS THERE.
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YES, WE DO HAVE UNIVERSITY HILLS ON THE BIKE NETWORK FOR FUTURE RECOMMENDATIONS.WE ALSO HAVE WHEATLAND ON THERE AS WELL. WE HAVE, I THINK, REDBIRD ON THERE AND THEN SOME VARIOUS TRAILS AND NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTIONS WITHIN THAT AREA. AND WITH THAT AREA. WHAT ABOUT THE FUNDING SOURCE? I MEAN, ARE WE LOOKING AT FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS, 15, 20 YEARS? IS THEY FUNDED OR ABOUT TO GET FUNDED OR WHAT? SO, WHEATLAND IS IS PRETTY MUCH FUNDED. SO NOW THE ONLY THING IS WE'RE JUST WE'RE JUST GETTING READY TO FINALIZE THE ACQUISITION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THEN BID THE PROJECT SO THAT ONE IS FULLY FUNDED, READY TO GO.
SO THERE ARE SOME PROJECTS THAT WE DON'T REALLY NEED MAJOR INVESTMENTS THAT TO, YOU KNOW, TO MOVE FORWARD. YEAH. MY CONCERN, ESPECIALLY ON UNIVERSITY HILL DOWN CAMP WILSON AND UNIVERSITY HILL, WE HAVE SO MANY CYCLISTS WHO RIDE THERE CONSTANTLY AND THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS THERE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. I MEAN, ON A NICE DAY, YOU KNOW, THEY LOVE THE HILLS. YOU KNOW, IT'S A GREAT PLACE FOR THEM TO, TO RIDE THEIR BIKES.
CORRECT. AND I AGREE WITH THAT. AND THEN ALSO, THERE IS A CHALLENGE IN THAT AREA, AS YOU'RE AWARE, I'VE DRIVEN IT AND WALKED IT AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT.
WE'VE GOT TOPOGRAPHY CHALLENGES IN THAT AREA ALSO THAT WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF.
SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL IN HOW WE APPROACH THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE WITH THE WITH THE CONVERSION, IF YOU WILL, OF SOME OF THE LANES ON THAT ROAD.
AND SO THEREFORE THE DESIGN HAD BEEN THERE FOR SOME TIME.
WE PUT THE DESIGN ON THE SHELVES. SO THEREFORE A COMPLETE STREET WOULD SHOW YOU HOW YOU CAN PUT BIKES AND FRIENDLY, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE UNIVERSITY. SO, SO LIKE I SAID 15 YEARS AGO, WE STILL WAITING FOR THE TRAILS AND THE RIGHT SAFETY TO DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, THEY GAVE US $100,000 FUNDING TRAIL.
MAYBE WE CAN JOINT VENTURE WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE NEW PRESIDENT THERE TO GET FUNDING TO HELP WITH THE BIKE LANE, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE STUDENTS RIDING THEIR BIKES AND, AND PEOPLE THAT VISIT THERE BECAUSE OF, SUCH BECAUSE OF THE HILLS. YES, SIR. AND HAPPY TO DO THAT.
AND DEFINITELY WE'RE COMMITTED TO IT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM VICE CHAIR. GRACEY, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR NOW.
THANK YOU. SIR. I GUESS I THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
AND AGAIN, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS THERE. AND AS I LOOK AT THIS TO YOU KNOW, I SEE THE DEVELOPMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING, WHAT'S TAKING PLACE. WE'VE ALREADY BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS, SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE REDUNDANT ABOUT IT, BUT THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN CEDAR HILL, GRAND PRAIRIE AND DALLAS AND DUNCANVILLE KIND OF ALL AT THAT INTERSECTION, A LOT OF THEM ARE COMING OUT OF OFF OF 1382, BIKING DOWN 1382, MOUNTAIN CREEK AND CAMP WISDOM.
BUT I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE, AND I THINK I SEE IT IN PHASE.
THREE, PERHAPS, BUT THE CONNECTION. NO, IT'S IN PHASE TWO, GOING DOWN MOUNTAIN CREEK.
GOING DOWN THAT AREA IS ANOTHER AREA THAT I'M PAYING ATTENTION TO BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CYCLISTS, I MEAN, BY THE PACK THAT COME THROUGH, AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE THEY'RE ORIGINATING.
I THINK ONE GROUP ORIGINATES OUT OF CEDAR HILL, AND THERE'S ANOTHER GROUP THAT ORIGINATES OUT OF GRAND PRAIRIE, BUT THEY ALL KIND OF INTERSECT OVER IN DISTRICT THREE SOMEWHERE.
SO JUST AND I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE HAD THAT FEEDBACK, SO I'M NOT TRYING TO REVISIT IT. I'M JUST PLANTING SEEDS RIGHT NOW, THAT'S ALL. SO THANK YOU. WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND I WILL IF I MAY ELABORATE ALSO LAST WEDNESDAY WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE SOUTHERN CITIES IN THAT AREA AND THE CITY MANAGERS AND, AND THE MAYORS IN THAT AREA, BASICALLY TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN PULL OUR RESOURCES TOGETHER AND WORK TOGETHER IN ORDER TO HAVE THE FULL CONNECTIVITY IN, IN THAT AREA. SO WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON THESE THINGS.
AND CERTAINLY 1382 CAME UP. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M GOING TO TAKE IT A LITTLE MORE BROADLY.
FIRST OF ALL, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GET A LIST OF THOSE PLANNED PHASE OUTS SO THAT NOBODY'S CAUGHT OFF GUARD AND WONDERING WHAT'S HAPPENING AND UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC? SO IF WE AS THAT ONCE THIS PLAN IS ADOPTED, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHEN YOU'LL DO IT.
OR ARE YOU ALREADY STARTING TO PHASE OUT? YES, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT.
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YOU KNOW, EASE OF IMPLEMENTATION, PUBLIC SUPPORT, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I WOULDN'T SO LET ME JUST DO IT THIS WAY.FIRST OF ALL, I FORGOT I MEANT TO START BY SAYING THANK YOU, I KNOW.
SO ALL I GUESS MY BIGGER STATEMENT ABOUT THIS IS AS CHANGES ARE MADE TO WHAT PEOPLE ARE USED TO, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT YOUR PUBLIC COMMUNICATION IS A VERY HIGH PRIORITY.
AND THEN TO MY COLLEAGUES WHO WERE CONCERNED ABOUT SPECIFIC AREAS TO THAT POINT, I THINK WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO BE SPECIFIC SO THAT IF SOMETHING IS HAPPENING IN A PARTICULAR PART OF TOWN, WE CAN SAY, HEY, HERE ARE THE CHANGES YOU CAN ANTICIPATE WHEN IT GETS CLOSER.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO WORK UP UNNECESSARY ANXIETY.
THAT'S ONE. SECOND, IN LOOKING AT THE MAP, JUST LIKE YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE SOUTHERN CITIES, ARE YOU ALSO WORKING WITH THE PARK CITIES? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE MISSING OPPORTUNITIES TO CUT STRAIGHT DOWN A PARTICULAR OR EAST WEST FROM THE NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY ALL THE WAY AROUND.
IF WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE SOME PATHS THROUGH THE PARK CITIES.
SO, IF I MAY, I MEAN, IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION CORRECTLY, AS YOU'RE AWARE, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE WORKING WITH EDISON RIGHT NOW IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A CONNECTION.
SO, WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON HAVING CONNECTIVITY IN DISTRICT 11.
YEAH. I DON'T WANT TO WANT TO GET SPECIFIC. I'M JUST ASKING, LIKE IN GENERAL, THE SAME WAY YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE SOUTHERN CITY, ARE WE ALSO WORKING WITH OUR NORTHERN CITIES? WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM.
GREAT. OKAY. MY NEXT THING IS I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO PUT A FIRE UNDER THIS AND THAT THAT SENSE OF URGENCY THAT I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE, BUT PERHAPS WE HAVEN'T, OR WHATEVER THE REASONS ARE THAT IT'S IT'S BEEN A LITTLE MORE SLOWLY ROLLED.
LET'S LET'S GO. NO PUN INTENDED, BUT LET'S ROLL THOSE WHEELS A LITTLE FASTER.
OKAY, HERE'S HERE ARE MY ONE MORE SPECIFIC QUESTION, AND THEN I HAVE A BIGGER QUESTION TO ASK YOU.
WHAT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD BIKEWAY? IS A GREAT QUESTION.
THANK YOU FOR ASKING. SO IN SOME PLACES, AND WE WERE PREVIOUSLY CALLING IT A BIKE BOULEVARD, BUT PEOPLE REALLY DIDN'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A SHARED IT'S A SHARED LANE FACILITY, BUT IT'S ON A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD STREET AND WE ADD A LOT OF WAYFINDING AND TRAFFIC CALMING.
AND SOMETIMES IF THE NEIGHBORHOODS OPEN TO IT AND DFR AND ALL THOSE OTHERS ARE OPEN TO IT.
WE WOULD DO SOME TRAFFIC DIVERSION TO TRY TO GET SPEEDS AND VOLUMES AS LOW AS POSSIBLE.
SO IT IS A SHARED ROADWAY, BUT IT'S A LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD, QUIET SHARED ROADWAY.
SO I THINK ON ALL OF SO OBVIOUSLY IT'S HYPER LOCAL.
AND SO WHAT THAT MEANS TO ME IS AS YOU ROLL THIS OUT AND YOU'RE WORKING WITH OUR VARIOUS COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, COMMISSION MEMBERS, THAT WE REALLY DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DIG DEEP INTO EACH DISTRICT WITH THAT AND UNDERSTAND WHERE WE COULD BEGIN TO PLAY WHERE WE COULD BEGIN TO PLAN BETTER.
SO IN ADDITION TO THE LARGER BIKE PLAN THAT WE HAVE A SORT OF A HYPER LOCAL PLAN.
OKAY, HERE'S THE BIGGER QUESTIONS. ONE IS WHAT WOULD IT TAKE? WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET TO A PLACE OF COORDINATION WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, SO THAT EVERY TIME WE'RE REDOING A STREET, WE TAKE ALL THE BIKE NEEDS INTO CONSIDERATION AND WE JUST GO AHEAD AND DO IT THEN.
SO I'LL START WITH THE CREDIT TO OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER AND MY ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER FOR TAKING THE FIRST STEP IN COMBINING THE TWO DEPARTMENTS IN AUGUST. SO THAT WAS THE FIRST STEP.
INSTEAD OF HAVING SPLIT DEPARTMENTS. NOW WE ARE ONE DEPARTMENT.
NUMBER TWO IS AGAIN CREDIT TO CHAIR NARVAEZ. AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE ON THE REPORTING ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE MANAGEMENT PLAN AND OUR PROJECTS. SO NOW WE HAVE A LIST OF PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED OF ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE ARE PLANNING ON WORKING ON. SO IDEALLY IN IDEALLY IN THE FUTURE IS THAT WE WILL BE PREPARING A TWO YEAR PLAN SO THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A PARTICULAR PROJECT WHERE WE'RE DOING AN OVERLAY AND THIS IS A PROJECT THAT IS, SAY ON THE BIKE PLAN AND, AND SO THAT WE CAN TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO GO AHEAD AND, AND RESTRIPE IT AND DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
SO WE'RE GETTING THERE. BUT AND WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN THE STEPS TO GET THERE.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE STILL KIND OF IN THE INITIAL STAGES, IF YOU WILL, BUT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS THAT.
SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE ON SLIDE 12, RIGHT, IS TO IMPROVE THAT COORDINATION,
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RIGHT. SO WHAT I WONDER IS IF THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY, AS YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE MASTER LIST OF ALL OF THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND THAT HOWEVER YOU NEED US OR NOT NEED US, BUT SOMEHOW WE ACTUALLY HAVE FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHERE THE BIKE PIECE FITS IN HERE'S WHERE.SO, YEAH, I MEAN, THERE WILL BE A GIS OVERLAY EVENTUALLY ON ALL THESE PROJECTS.
SO WE CAN SEE BASICALLY IS THAT THIS ROADWAY THAT'S GOING TO GET SAY OVERLAID.
AND THEN WE SEE IT THAT IT IS ON THE BIKE PLAN.
AND THEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE, OKAY, SO WHERE ARE WE ON THAT AND WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH IT.
OKAY. AND THEN THE SAME QUESTION GOES TO THE MAINTENANCE FUNDS FOR ALL THESE BIKE LANES.
BECAUSE WE SEE WE HAVE SO MANY BIKE LANES THAT NEED TO BE REPAIRED.
AND I WAS JUST RUNNING THE NUMBERS OF WHAT IT COSTS PER MILE.
AND OBVIOUSLY THE VISUALLY SEPARATED IS IF I DID MY MATH RIGHT, IT'S ABOUT $19 A FOOT, PRETTY CHEAP TO GET THOSE REPAINTED RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE VISUALLY SEPARATES PAINT, RIGHT? RIGHT. SO WHERE ARE WE ON THAT? HOW DO WE. SO IS IT JUST COUNCIL WILL IN THE BUDGET TO SAY SO LET ME ASK YOU ONE LAST.
LET ME ASK IT A DIFFERENT WAY. WHEN WE DO OUR BUDGET FOR PUBLIC WORKS FOR THOROUGHFARES, STREETS AND THOROUGHFARES, WHY IS IT THAT WE CAN'T? IS IT A COUNCIL WILL ISSUE THAT WE CAN'T WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS ROAD? WE CAN'T GO SIDEWALK, BIKE, CAR. EVERY KIND OF MOBILITY THAT COULD BE USING THIS STRIP OF LAND IN OUR CITY, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT ALL AT ONCE RATHER THAN JUST CARS.
JUST BIKES. JUST PEOPLE OR WALKERS. WHY DO WE NOT LOOK AT IT MORE HOLISTICALLY? I'M NOT JUDGING IT. I'M JUST CURIOUS. THERE MAY BE AN ENGINEERING REASON.
NOW, IF THE QUESTION IS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE RESURFACING, WE'RE ADDING THE BIKE LANE.
IF IT IS A MATTER OF PAVEMENT MARKINGS, IT'S ALREADY FACTORED IN AND PRICED INTO THE PROJECT.
SO THERE IS NO ADDED COST THERE. THE ONLY ADDED COST NOW IS THAT IF WE DECIDE TO HAVE LIKE PHYSICAL SEPARATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO THEN THAT'S WHEN WE SUPPLEMENT THAT WITH THE FROM THE BIKE FUNDS THAT WE HAVE.
SO THIS IS A SMALL COST TO INCUR WHEN YOU'RE GETTING A FACILITY.
SO WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT. THE, THE THE CHALLENGE BECOMES OF MAINTAINING THE EXISTING FACILITY OR AS WE START ADDING FACILITIES, THEN HOW DO WE FUND THE MAINTENANCE ON IT? CORRECT. AND THAT'S WHY WHAT I'M ASKING IS JUST PHILOSOPHICALLY FROM A DIRECTOR'S OR ENGINEER'S PERSPECTIVE, WHY DO WE NOT LOOK AT IT AT IT HOLISTICALLY IN TERMS OF ALL THE USERS OF THAT PARTICULAR STRETCH OF LAND.
WHY DO WE NOT JUST SAY WHETHER WE'RE MAINTAINING A BIKE LANE OR A SIDEWALK OR GETTING RID OF POTHOLES? IT'S ALL JUST USE. I'M JUST CURIOUS PHILOSOPHICALLY WHY WE DON'T.
WELL, JUST TO JUST TO THROW OUT THE FIRST SHOT AT THIS, I THINK THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS FUNDING.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, AND ALSO HOW THE CITY COUNCIL SETS GOALS.
AND SO YOU'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON ACHIEVING THAT GOAL I THINK IF THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, ENDLESS MONEY, THEN I'M SURE THAT THAT WOULD BE DONE. BUT JUST IN A VERY, YOU KNOW, IN A VERY FISCALLY CONSTRAINED ENVIRONMENT WHERE THERE ARE CERTAIN TARGETS AND JUST VERY LIMITED BUDGET, IT'S VERY MUCH FOCUSED ON, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE DO THOSE THINGS? BUT I THINK THROUGH PROCESSES LIKE THIS, WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT HOW CAN WE START TO OVERLAY THOSE NEEDS AND IMPLEMENT THEM ALL AT ONCE AS PART OF PROJECTS.
SO IT'S SO IF I HEARD YOU WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND THEN I'LL STOP. MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU. IS BASICALLY, IT'S OUR WILL AND OUR PERCEPTION AND NOT GIVING THAT DIRECTION TO YOU ALL TO SAY WE WANT THIS LOOKED AT IN ITS ENTIRETY FOR EVERY TYPE OF USER, NOT JUST CARS.
SO WHEN YOU'RE SETTING BUDGETS, IF WE SAID TO YOU, WE WANT YOU TO LOOK AT CONSIDER EVERYBODY EQUALLY, YOU WOULD THEN DO THAT. BUT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T, IT'S DONE IN THE WAY THAT IT'S ALWAYS DONE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, ROAD REPAIR, BIKE REPAIR, SIDEWALK REPAIR, THE THREE DIFFERENT MODALITIES.
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NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT'S I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND IT'S COMING FROM US, NOT FROM Y'ALL.OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. EXCUSE ME. SORRY. YOU ALREADY HEARD.
THANK YOU AGAIN. I THINK YOU GOT SOME GOOD FEEDBACK.
I MEAN, BEFORE WE GET TO ADOPTION. AND I THE QUESTIONS I HAD WERE VERY SIMILAR.
WHICH HAS A LOT TO DO WITH YOU KNOW, OUR PEER CITIES, WHICH YOU DID PUT THAT IN THERE, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE GET CAUGHT UP TO PEER CITIES? THE FINANCIALS. I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S HARD MONEY IS IT'S NOT JUST OUT THERE FOR US TO USE.
BUT IT'S IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT LIKE, OH, A MILLION HERE AND A MILLION THERE IS GOING TO GET US ALL THE WAY THERE, RIGHT? THIS IS GOING TO BE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, PROBABLY HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS BY THE TIME IT'S ALL COMPLETE.
IN THE PRESENTATION DO WE HAVE WHERE? I KNOW IT'S REALLY HARD TO SEE ROAD PROJECTS THAT WE FUNDED THROUGH THE BOND THAT WOULD HAVE BIKE LANE IN THERE. IS THAT BEING CONSIDERED IN THE FIRST PHASE? YES. YES. AND DOES THAT FIRST PHASE THEN HOW LONG ARE YOU EXPECTING TO IMPLEMENT TO TAKE TO IMPLEMENT PHASE ONE? THE GOAL IS FIVE YEARS, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOAL FOR THE 2024 BOND.
VERY GOOD. AND THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN IS WE ARE BEHIND PEER CITIES IS HOW DO WE GET CAUGHT UP A LITTLE BIT FASTER? SO WHAT ARE WAYS THAT BESIDES, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T PASS ANOTHER BOND RIGHT NOW.
SO WHAT ARE OTHER WAYS THAT WE COULD FUND THIS? IS IT LIKE GOING TO ASK THE COG FOR DOLLARS THAT THEY HAVE MATCHING DOLLARS THAT THEY COULD HELP US WITH? IS IT DO ANY OF THESE BIKE LANES BECOME ELIGIBLE? DO WE THINK, FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN'S INFRASTRUCTURE ACT THAT THEY'RE STILL FUNDING THAT'S LEFT IN IN THERE FOR SEVERAL MORE YEARS. SO IS THERE A WAY TO KNOW IF THERE'S ANY DOLLARS THERE YET OR NOT? YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I MEAN, ALL THESE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED ARE CERTAINLY AN OPPORTUNITY.
THE ONE THING IS, I JUST WANT TO MENTION IS THAT ANYTIME THAT WE SEEK FEDERAL FUNDS, LIKE MR. MORRIS LIKES TO SAY, THE GOOD NEWS IS YOU HAVE FEDERAL FUNDS. AND THE BAD NEWS IS YOU HAVE FEDERAL FUNDS. SO, WE ARE AVERAGING TWO YEARS FROM THE DAY WE ARE NOTIFIED THAT WE GOT AWARDED THE FUNDS TO THE DAY THAT WE CAN START IMPLEMENTING WHETHER THIS IS ESPECIALLY IF THE PROJECT HAS A FEDERALLY FUNDED ENGINEERING COMPONENT, BECAUSE THAT ADDS ANOTHER YEAR TO IT BEFORE YOU FINISH THE DESIGN AND SO ON.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE AS A CITY CAN CONSIDER SAYING WE WILL FUND THE ENGINEERING.
YOU GO FUND ME CONSTRUCTION MONEY THAT WE CAN GET SO WE CAN GET THE PROJECTS READY TO GO.
AND THEN WHEN WE GET THE CONSTRUCTION FUNDS, THEN THE PROJECT IS READY TO GO.
EXCELLENT. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO, TO KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT WE SHOW THAT THOSE DIFFERENT FUNDING AREAS THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY GO TO. YOU KNOW, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE COUNTY, RIGHT? WE DO WE DO PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE COUNTY. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT MY COUNTY COMMISSIONER, DOCTOR GARCIA, SHE LOVES HERSELF A TRAIL. AND THERE'S ALWAYS A WAY THAT THESE ARE ON TWO TRAILS.
RIGHT. SO THAT COULD BE FUNDING THERE THAT COULD THEN BE FREED UP FOR SOME BIKE EXTENDED BIKE LANES.
THERE'S WAYS TO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT WE'RE SAYING FIVE YEARS, BUT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GOING TO TAKE FIVE YEARS IF WE CAN POSSIBLY GET THE FUNDING FASTER IS, I GUESS, WHAT I'M TRYING TO ASK. CORRECT.
AND THEN WE'RE SAYING WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WITHIN THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD.
AND DEPENDING ON WHAT COMBINATION OF APPROACH THAT WE'RE TAKING.
RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S WHY IF WE CAN MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR IN THE SLIDES.
SO THAT'S FAIR BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT FOLKS TO THINK LIKE BECAUSE IT SAYS UP TO FIVE YEARS THAT THAT MEANS WE PLAN TO TAKE FIVE YEARS THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY PLANNING TO BE AS FAST AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
AND I KNOW THAT THE REASON HAS POSSIBLY IS BECAUSE OR YOU CAN TELL ME, ARE WE DOING THAT WITH 20 YEARS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL AND KNOW WHAT KIND OF FUNDING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE? FOR THE PHASE TWO? I MEAN, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S, IT IS A LOT OF EXTRA MILES, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM AS MANY AS THE FIRST PHASE.
MEANING LIKE WE'LL HAVE THE FIRST PHASE DONE.
SO PHASE TWO SHOULD BE FASTER. BUT I UNDERSTAND, LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE BUDGETS, WE DON'T KNOW.
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THERE'S NOBODY THAT CAN FORECAST 20 YEARS FROM NOW AND MUCH LESS TEN YEARS FROM NOW.15. I KNOW WE CAN FORECAST ABOUT FIVE, SOMETIMES SEVEN, BUT THAT'S BEING LIKE IT GETS REALLY SCARY THERE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT COULD HAPPEN WITH THE ECONOMY WITH YOU KNOW, GLOBAL ISSUES THAT ARE HAPPENING AND OR WHEN WE HAD A GLOBAL PANDEMIC THAT CHANGED OUR ENTIRE WORLD.
RIGHT. SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT 20 YEAR NUMBER TO ME, PLEASE? SURE. AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, AND I WILL LET CATHERINE KIND OF ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT.
IT'S ALWAYS ADVANTAGEOUS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE PROJECTS KIND OF READY TO GO, BECAUSE IT MAKES OUR JOB A WHOLE LOT EASIER WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO SEEK PARTNERSHIP PROJECTS. IT'S ONE THING TO SAY, HEY, I HAVE A PROJECT AND COME GIVE ME MONEY, AND PEOPLE WILL START SAYING, I WAS LIKE, WHAT AM I GOING TO GIVE YOU MONEY FOR? RIGHT. VERSUS SAYING, HEY, I'VE ALREADY DESIGNED THIS PROJECT HERE, OR AT LEAST HAVE A PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING, AND HERE'S WHAT I'M DOING, HERE'S WHAT I'M DELIVERING AND HERE'S THE VALUE. SO DEFINITELY THAT WOULD HELP US IN THE IN ACCELERATING THE POTENTIAL FOR THEM.
SO THEREFORE YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN A FACILITY NOW THAT WILL COST ALMOST AN ARM AND A LEG TO PUT IT IN WHEN THE ROADWAY IS GOING TO BE RECONSTRUCTED IS A CHALLENGE. SO WE HAVE TO COORDINATE ALL THAT WITH WHATEVER THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
I MEAN, DID I MISS ANYTHING? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO ADD? JUST GOING TO ADD THAT THERE IS A SLIDE IN THE APPENDIX. SLIDE 21 THAT TALKS ABOUT KIND OF BREAKS DOWN THE DETAILED METHODOLOGY ABOUT HOW WE GOT TO 20 YEARS AND THE FUNDING ASSUMPTIONS BEHIND THAT. EXCELLENT. VERY GOOD.
AND I GUESS WHAT I'M WANTING TO GET AT IS MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE REALLY SHOW THOSE THE CRITERIA, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, HOW YOU GOT TO THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS NOT GOING TO READ THE APPENDIX, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE DRY THAN WE ARE.
AND THESE PRESENTATIONS COULD GO SOUTH REALLY FAST.
AND SO THEN I WOULD ALSO WANT TO RECOMMEND THAT HOW DO WE BALANCE COMMUNITY INPUT WHILE ENSURING THAT WE EXECUTE THIS PLAN AND THAT STAFF AND THE ADVOCATES THAT WE ALL HAVE WORKED SO HARD TO DEVELOP? I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BALANCE THAT WHEN YOU GET INTO THESE COMMUNITY MEETINGS? SO I'LL KIND OF ADDRESS THAT. I MEAN, YOU CAN VIEW IT FROM BOTH SIDES.
ONE IS THE OR TWO POINTS OF VIEW, ONE IS THE INTENT TO BYPASS SOME OF THE ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS, AND THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE THE HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR RESISTANCE, IF YOU WILL? SO IN BOTH CASES AGAIN IN MY OPINION, IT HAS TO BE A DATA DRIVEN APPROACH THAT HAS A ROBUST OUTREACH TO ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS AND AT THE END HAVE AN OPEN COMMUNICATION TO COME TO A GOOD COMPROMISE THAT WOULD WORK FOR ALL STAKEHOLDERS AND THE SITUATION THAT IS AT HAND.
DID I MISS ANYTHING OR IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD? OKAY.
LIKE THIS HAS BEEN AN EXCELLENT, YOU KNOW, COALITION WORKING TOGETHER.
AND WE DON'T WANT THIS PLAN TO EXPLODE OR BLOW UP BECAUSE THE, THE FOLKS THAT DO SHOW UP THAT ARE GOING IN COLD DON'T UNDERSTAND IT COMPLETELY, AND WE DON'T HAVE AN ABILITY TO EXPLAIN SOME OF THESE THINGS.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE VERY, VERY PREPARED AND READY FOR THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE ONE OF US AT ALL OF THOSE.
AND WE DON'T WANT TO GO ALL ENGINEERING WISE WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC, BECAUSE THEN WE LOSE THEM.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHEN I GO TO A KNOW YOUR RIGHTS THING AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL LEGALESE AND YOU CAN JUST SEE EYES GLAZING OVER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT GETS CONFUSING AND WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. AND OVERENGINEER THIS TO OUR PUBLIC BECAUSE WE WANT THEM TO GET IT AND UNDERSTAND IT AND SEE WHAT'S GOING TO WORK, SO THEY CAN FOCUS ON WHAT WE NEED TO CHANGE AND FIX.
SO WE HAVE AN EVEN BETTER PLAN THAT WORKS FOR THEM AND NOT A, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT DOING THIS, YOU'RE NOT DOING THAT. AND BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO GET ALL OF THAT ANYWAY, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO WANT TO, YOU KNOW, EITHER WANT IT OR THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT IT. RIGHT. BUT AND WE'RE ALL GOING TO HAVE A DIFFERENT IDEA WHY IT'S ON THIS STREET AND NOT THAT STREET.
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AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GET INTO TOO MUCH OF THAT TROUBLE BECAUSE WE WANT TO GET THIS OR I WANT TO GET THIS PASSED FOR SURE.AND I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE READY TO GET THIS PASSED. WE CAN START IMPLEMENTING IT. AND I KNOW THE ADVOCATES AND OUR COALITION WANT TO GET THIS PASSED BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SEE THESE START GETTING WORKED ON AND ADVANCING AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.
JUST ONE SECOND. I'M. THE TIME IS 1:54 P.M., AND I'M GOING TO ADJOURN.
THANK YOU. THE TIME IS 2:04 P.M., AND THE REST OF THE AGENDA WILL HAVE TO EITHER BE MOVED FORWARD OR TO ITEM D COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN HAD REQUESTED, SHE'S NOT HERE, AND WE MUST ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 2:04 P.M.
FOR LACK OF A QUORUM. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.