* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Trinity River Corridor Local Government Corporation Board on August 18, 2023.] [00:00:03] WELL, GOOD MORNING TO EVERYONE. WELCOME TO THE TRINITY RIVER CORRIDOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATION ON, UH, AUGUST BOARD MEETING. UH, IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE WITH YOU. IT IS NOW 10:06 AM HERE IN DALLAS, TEXAS. WE'RE AT THE CITY HALL COUNCIL BRIEFING ROOM, AND, UM, IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE. IT'S GOOD TO SEE ALL OF YOU. UH, GOOD TO SEE YOU ONLINE, MS. SARAH JACKSON. UH, WELCOME. WE, UM, WE HAVE A PRETTY BASIC AGENDA FOR TODAY. AND, UH, BEFORE WE GET TO, I JUST WANT TO THANK, I WANNA THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU GUYS THAT LEANED INTO THESE WORK GROUPS AND THE COMMITTEES THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON, AND WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT. I APPRECIATE GARY HAS BECOME OUR, OH, OUR CHAMPION, UH, WITH CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND OTHERS. HE HAS BEEN OUT THERE BEATING THE BUSHES FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS, AND I, WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT, GARY. IT, IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE, AND I KNOW THAT'S A JOB, UH, IN AND OF ITSELF, AND APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. UM, SO ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS? ESELLA WITH NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS WILL MOVE TO, UH, A MINUTE APPROVAL FROM MAY 19TH, 2023. SO, GARY, OUR SECRETARY? YES. SO IN YOUR PACKETS ARE THE MINUTES FROM THE MAY 19TH MEETING, CAN I GET A, UH, MOTION FOR APPROVAL? SO I'LL SECOND IT. DR. KNIGHT, UH, MOVED. UH, MS. BUTLER SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. UH, THANK YOU MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED TODAY. UH, ONE OF THE MAIN ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA IS, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS, UM, A LETTER. WE, WE NEED OFFICIAL APPROVAL FROM YOU FOR A LETTER THAT WE, UM, THAT STAFF COMPOSED AND WE SENT TO THE CITY MANAGER. UH, IT'S REQUESTING PERMISSION TO UNDERTAKE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DALLAS PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT, UH, REGARDING FUNDING STRATEGIES FOR OUR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE. YOU, UM, YOU RECEIVED THAT, UH, EARLY ON WHEN WE FIRST SENT IT TO THE CITY MANAGER. UH, THE CITY MANAGER HAS RESPONDED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE TO IT. UM, HOPEFULLY THAT YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT, UM, IN PREPARATION FOR THIS MEETING. AND I WANTED TO, UM, WANTED TO, TO OFFER YOU OPPORTUNITY TO, FOR QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS, THE, THE NEED, THE PRIMARY NEED FOR THIS. HELLO, DR. QUICK SAW. GOOD TO SEE YOU. WELCOME. UM, SEE, GOOD TO SEE YOU, PASTOR PARKER. WE, UM, SO THE, THE, THIS IS, WE ARE TRINITY, UH, TPC HAS ENTERED INTO DISCUSSION WITH LGC, UM, AND, AND CITY LIAISON HAS ENTERED INTO DISCUSSIONS OR, UH, REGARDING RESTRUCTURING OUR, OUR ORGANIZATIONAL POSITION WITHIN THE CITY. IT'S, IT IS PRIMARILY REGARDING OPERATIONS AS MAINTENANCE, AS THE, AS THE INTRODUCTORY IN THE LETTER SAYS. WE HAD DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY MANAGER, UH, BACK IN 2022 TO, TO LOOK AT POTENTIAL SOURCES OF FUNDING FOR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE. UM, THE CITY MANAGER EXPRESSED WHERE HIS PRIORITIES WERE AND, UH, AND HE MADE THE SUGGESTION THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO TALK TO THE PARKS AND RECS DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF THERE WOULD BE OPPORTUNITY OR FOR FUNDING, FUNDING FOR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE UNDER THEIR STRUCTURE. UH, NOW THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT, UH, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE RIGHT WORD FOR, IT'S A QUAI. IT'S, IT'S SET UP. A DIFF HAS A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE, DOES NOT FULLY UNDER THE, THE, UM, THIS DALLAS CITY COUNCIL. IT IS UNDER, IT HAS ITS OWN BOARD. THE BOARD, UH, IT'S APPOINTED THE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE CHAIR'S APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT IT HAS ITS OWN BOARD, ITS OWN FUNDING MECHANISM, AND IT'S THE OWN STRUCTURE. THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM TO, UM, THIS LETTER, WHICH GIVES US PERMISSION FROM THE, UH, CITY MANAGER TO TALK ABOUT, UH, POTENTIAL FUNDING STREAMS, AS I'VE SEEN IT WITH THAT, WITH THOSE FUNDING STREAMS MAY COME A CHANGE IN INSTRUCTION. UH, THIS BOARD AND THE WORK, [00:05:01] UH, AND THE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PHASE ONE PREMISES FOR THE PARK, UM, COULD POTENTIALLY MOVE UNDER THE PARK BOARD. UM, OF COURSE, UM, OF COURSE THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A CHANGE IN THE DOCUMENTS, THE ORGANIZATIONAL DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAVE. THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND US AS THE TRINITY RIVER, UH, LGC, AS I SAID, THOSE ARE GOING ONGOING WITH, UH, WITH TPC AND, UM, AND, AND TONY MOORE. THEY SEEM TO BE GOING WELL. WHEN I WAS FIRST APPROACHED ABOUT IT, UH, I'M, I, TO BE FRANK WITH YOU, I'M OPEN TO, TO LOOK TO EXPLORING THE OPPORTUNITY, IF IT WILL, IF THIS OPPORTUNITY MAKES O AND M POSSIBLE, LET'S, LET'S GO FORWARD. THE ONLY CONCERN THAT I WOULD HAVE IS THE GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE WILL, UM, WILL, THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THIS ENTIRE LGC WAS TO HAVE A SEPARATE ORGANIZATION THAT COULD DEVELOP THIS PART AND RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE, YOU KNOW, CORRIDOR STARTING WITH THIS, WITH THE HAR SIMMONS PARK. AND SO IT IS IMPORTANT, I KNOW FOR TPC AND FOR US, THAT THERE, THERE WOULD BE A LEVEL OF INDEPENDENCE SO THAT WE COULD MAINTAIN THE QUALITY AND OF THE PARK EXCELLENCE OF THE PARK MOVING FORWARD. UM, THE OTHER OTHERS, I GUESS THE, THE ARBORETUM AND THE, AND THE, UM, DALLAS SIOUX HAVE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEIR STRUCTURES ARE, BUT THERE IS A LEVEL OF INDEPENDENCE THERE. THERE'S A LEVEL. THEY CAN MAINTAIN THE QUALITY AND THE EXCELLENCE THAT THEY, UH, THAT THEY DESIRE FOR THEIR PARTICULAR VENUES. AND WE WANT NOTHING LESS FOR THAT. SO THAT'S, THOSE TWO THINGS ARE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT FROM WHAT I, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND TO DATE, UM, THIS BOARD WOULD, WOULD OPERATE VERY MUCH AS IT ALREADY DOES. BUT UNDER, INSTEAD OF BEING DIRECTLY UNDER THE CITY COUNCIL'S GOVERNANCE, WE WOULD BE UNDER THE . WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE MOVING FORWARD. WE DO NOT KNOW YET. WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN THAT FAR DISCUSSIONS, HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR YET. BUT I DID WANT TO, UM, I DID WANT TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK. I DO NEED, UH, YOUR OFFICIAL APPROVAL FOR THIS LETTER THAT HAS BEEN SENT OUT. BUT I DID WANT TO GIVE THEM, YOU, GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE SOME INPUT ON IT. SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT, UH, WHEN WE, WHEN TPC AND LGC HAVE, THE LIAISONS ARE IN DISCUSSION AND PRIORITIES YOU SEE THAT WE NEED TO BRING UP TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, UM, THE PARK IS DEVELOPED IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS IT FOR ITS GROWTH. ITS, AND ITS MAIN MAINTAINING ITS EXCELLENCE OVER TIME. SOMETHING, LET ME STOP. ANY THOUGHTS? SO OTHER PARTS, LIKE FIVE ONE AND I THINK THEY ALL INSTRUCTOR. YEAH. SO THIS IS JUST ON THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE BEFORE FIVE ONE. THE OPERATIONS , THEY TO, I'M NOT FULLY AWARE OF HOW CLOUD GROWING IS STRUCTURED, BUT I THEY DON'T HAVE A BOARD SIMILAR THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, LIKE THE LGC TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THIS IS UNIQUE FOR THE CITY. I COULD BE WRONG. ALL THOSE CORRECT. VARIOUS UPDATE, YOU KNOW, STILL SO , SO THATUM, [00:10:15] SO THE, UM, IT, I MEAN THE, THE TPC IS WOULD BE THAT GROUP ESSENTIALLY. YES. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. I MEAN, WHATEVER. I, I THINK IT'S, IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN BE ASSURED THAT, I MEAN, PARKS AND REC BOARD'S GOT A LOT GOING ON NOW WITH THE EMPHASIS OF MORE PARKS. AND I, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I DON'T WANT THIS TO GET LOST IN A NUMBER OF OTHER PROJECTS. IT SHOULD BE THE HIGHEST PRIORITY BECAUSE IT'S GOT THE GREATEST IMPACT ON THE CITY NOW AND BEYOND. SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARK IS GONNA BE BETTER FOR DALLAS IN THE LONG RUN. SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SUPPORT MOVING IT IF WE THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA GET THE FUNDING AND THE MECHANISM IS RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. BUT IF IT'S JUST MORE OF THE SAME, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ARGUMENT WOULD BE TO, TO GO FORWARD WITH IT UNDER PARKS BOARD. IT IS TRUE. UM, THE, AND THAT'S, WE'LL HAVE OPPORTUNITY REVIEW. WE ARE GOING TO, THIS BOARD HAVE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. AND THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO PROVE, APPROVE, WHATEVER STRUCTURAL CHANGE, BECAUSE OUR CONTRACT IS WITH THE, THE CITY, THE CITY, CITY COUNCIL. SO AS THE DISCUSSIONS MOVE FORWARD, WE'LL, WE CAN BE HOW WE'LL BE KEPT INFORMED OF WHAT THAT MECHANISM LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THE POTENTIAL STRUCTURE LOOKS LIKE, AS LONG AS THERE'S, THERE'S, TO YOUR POINT, THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR INDEPENDENCE, THE, THE MECHANISM FOR THE FUNDING IS NOT, DOES NOT LIMIT WHAT THE PART, ITS PART DEVELOPMENT, NOT JUST FOR THESE 200 ACRE, UH, BUT THE, OF COURSE, THE OVERLOOKS, ET CETERA, THE ENTIRE BUDGET. SO, UH, WE'LL SEE. IT DOESN'T HURT TO HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS. THE CRITICAL PIECE THOUGH, AS WE ALL KNOW IT, THIS OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE, AND IT IS, IT'S A STICKING POINT FOR, FOR, ITS FOR FUNDING. IT'S, IT'S ESPECIALLY FUTURE FUNDING FROM THE PHILANTHROPIC COMMUNITY. UH, BUT I THINK WE ALL BELIEVE THAT THE CITY IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, FORM, OR FASHION OUGHT TO HAVE, UH, ONGOING INVESTMENT IN IT. WHAT THAT MECHANISM LOOKS LIKE IS THE CHALLENGE AND WHAT STRUCTURE IT COMES UNDER, WHETHER IT'S WE ARE UNDER THE PARK BOARD OR UNDER THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL. IT, UH, WHICH WHICHEVER WORKS BEST. I AGREE DR. KNIGHT. I AGREE, UH, WITH BOTH OF YOU. AND I THINK ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MOVE IT FORWARD AND TO MAKE THE OWNERSHIP BE MORE, UH, UH, I GUESS BROADENED, WHICH THE CITY PARK, UH, BOARD WOULD DO, BROADEN THE, THE OWNERSHIP OF THE PARK. BUT I WANNA BE CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T GET BOGGED DOWN IN A BUREAUCRACY THAT MAKES IT SO DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO, TO OPERATE. SO HOW MANY, HOW MANY OVERSIGHT BOARDS WILL THERE BE? UH, , TOO MANY OF THEM WILL CAUSE A BOTTLENECK. INDEED I DO. TONY MOORE AND TPCS. AM I GONNA HAVE TO REPORT THE PASS THE PARK IN THE LGC? WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PARK THE PARK BOARD, DON'T HAVE TO IT, THAT IT CAN GET A LITTLE BIT MUCH. AND SO WE'RE BEING CAREFUL OF THAT. AND TOTAL IS MAKING IT VERY CLEAR THAT, UH, HE DOESN'T NEED ANOTHER BOARD THAT HE NEEDS TO REPORT TO. EDDIE, UH, EDDIE, UH, SARAH, DR. Q? NO, I GUESS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, AND I KNOW THIS IS HOMEWORK IS PROBABLY BEING DONE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THERE WAS SOMEONE WHO'S DOING THIS RESEARCH LIKE NATIONALLY OR EVEN INTERNATIONALLY, BUT THIS IS A BIG PARK, RIGHT? IT'S NOT QUITE ONE. IT'S, IT'S MULTIPLE TIMES IN LINE ONE. AND SO UNDERSTANDING THAT SCALE AND HOW TO, HOW TO MANAGE THAT SCALE, I DON'T THINK WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T SPEAK TO, RIGHT? SO IS THERE, IS THERE AN ENTITY, UM, OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE ACTUALLY DOING SOME RESEARCH? I'M SURE THERE IS, BUT THAT COULD SHARE WITH US IN CONVERSATION, AN APPROACH OR ADD ITS, UH, PHILOSOPHY OR OF HOW, HOW THIS FUNDING MECHANISM COULD PLAY OUT. YOU KNOW, ARE THERE OPTIONS TO KIND OF ANALYZE, [00:15:01] UM, AND DISCUSS AND AS WE'RE BRIDGING CONVERSATION WITH PARKS AND REC OR WITH, WITH PC, I JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE, AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S, AND, AND I KNOW THERE IS WORK THAT'S BEEN UP, DONE UP FRONT THAT WE COULD USE AS A, A BASIS FOR FURTHERING CONVERSATION TO MAKE US ALL MORE, AT LEAST ME MORE INTELLIGENT ABOUT THE SUBJECT MATTERS TO HOW WE COULD EVEN TACKLE SOMETHING OF THIS SCALE SO THAT IT DOES SUSTAIN OVER THE LIFE, UM, FOR HOWEVER LONG TO COME. SO THAT WOULD BE MY FEEDBACK OR QUESTION, I WOULD SAY. I KNOW TPC HAS DONE SOME, SOME COMPARISONS AND LOOKING AT OTHER FUNDING MECHANISMS WITH SEVERAL PARTS, WHETHER IT'S THE, THE LINE IN BROOKLYN, THE ATLANTA PARK, I KNOW THEY'VE DONE THOSE TWO IN THE PAST. UH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE GATHERING, OF COURSE, THE GATHERING PLACE. UM, AND EACH OF THEM ARE A BIT DIFFERENT. I KNOW THAT THIS, THIS PARTICULAR LGC STRUCTURE, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION BACK IN, I GUESS IT WAS 17, 18 WITH, THERE'S A SIMILAR STRUCTURE IN HOUSTON IN TERMS OF HOW THEY FULLY APART. SO, UM, AS ALWAYS, DALLAS IS A LITTLE UNIQUE IN SOME OF THE THINGS IT'S DONE. AND WE ARE TRYING TO PUT, PUT SOMETHING IN A 200 ACRE PIECE OF LAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY IN A FLOODWAY. UM, AND, UH, WHICH IS PROBABLY NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE. AND, AND ORIGINALLY, AND THIS IS THE CHALLENGE ORIGINALLY MARKETED, SO TO SPEAK, HAS FULLY FUNDED BY THE PHILANTHROPIC COMMUNITY. AND THAT, THAT HAS BEEN TO SOME DEGREE, IN MY OPINION, A LITTLE BIT OF AN ALBATROS. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS EVEN REALISTIC BACK WHEN THEY FIRST TALKED ABOUT IT, THAT THE CITY WOULD NOT HAVE TO, THIS IS FULLY FUNDED BY THE, BY THE, YOU KNOW, PHILANTHROPIC COMMUNITIES, 200, $200 MILLION PARK. AND I DO NOT SEE HOW A CITY OF THIS SIDE AND A PARK OF THIS POTENTIAL IMPACT COULD NOT HAVE SUSTAINED, COMMITTED IN FINANCIAL INVESTMENT ON A REGULAR BASIS. MM-HMM . SO WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE NOW, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE POLITICAL DISCUSSION. THAT'S THE, BUT I THINK WE'RE MOVING, UH, I THINK WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. MM-HMM. I'M JUST NOT SURE ABOUT HOW THE PARK DEPARTMENT, IF THE STRUCTURE'S GOING TO BE THE SAME IN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. IT IS GOING TO, WE ALL KNOW IT HAS TO, THE STRUCTURE HAS TO CHANGE THE CONTRACT BETWEEN THE DOMESTIC DEVELOPMENT MENT BETWEEN US AND THE CITY. WE'VE ALL, WE'VE KNOWN FOR SEVERAL YEARS THAT THAT CAN BE THE CHANGE THE STRUCTURE IS NOT, IS NOT CONDUCIVE FOR THE EFFECTIVE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PART NOW THAT, UH, BUT TO ADD ON, WHICH IS PART OF THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THEY HAD, IT'S NOT AN ADD-ON. IT WAS ALWAYS THERE. THAT FUNDING FOR O AND M AND A FUNDING PLAN NEEDED TO BE PRESENTED, UM, TO, UH, FOR APPROVAL THAT, UH, I DON'T THINK THEY REALLY THOUGHT THROUGH THAT, THAT FAR AS TO WHERE THE MONEY WAS GONNA COME FROM. MM-HMM . AND SO IT'S BEEN, THAT'S, I GUESS, YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE IF THE COURT HAD NOT STEPPED IN WITH ITS COURT, THE LEVY IMPROVEMENTS MAYBE WOULD'VE MOVED FURTHER. WE, WE HAVEN'T HAD A SET DEADLINE. AND AS SOMEONE, SOMEONE SHARED WITH ME, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A DEADLINE, THINGS JUST GET PUSHED OUT. AND WE HAVE NOT HAD A TRIAL DEADLINE TO SAY, LOOK, WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE BY JANUARY 20, 22, 20 23, WHAT HAVE YOU. UH, AND SO THINGS, WE WORK OVER THE CITY, THEY JUST KIND OF GO AT A SELLS PLATE SOMETIMES. AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME INNOVATIVE FUNDING STREAMS. AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING INNOVATIVE THAT PEOPLE GET SCARED, PEOPLE ARE NOT SURE HOW IT'S GONNA WORK. UM, AND, AND SO THAT SLOWS IT DOWN TOO. WELL, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSIONS ABOUT TIFFS AND INCORPORATED IT INTO THE EXISTING SPORTS ARENA, TIFF [00:20:01] CREATING A NEW TIFF, THERE'S REVENUE FROM OPERATIONS THAT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GONNA FUND A LOT OF IT, BUT THAT'S GOTTA BE SUSTAINABLE TO A POINT. UM, I WOULD ASK YOU, HOW IS, UH, APPLIED ONE, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE MODEL THAT THEY'RE USING IN TERMS OF ARE THEY FULLY SUSTAINED IN TERMS OF THEIR OPERATION AND SO FORTH? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. YEAH. YEAH. RIGHT. THAT'S TRUE. GREAT. TO THE OPERATION WHEN IT COMES CHECK THEY'RE IN CHARGE. THEY HAVE MAYBE MM-HMM . GOOD POINT. WE HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS. SO I, I GUESS THE TONE IS FOR YOU, IF, IF YOU COULD JUST SHED TO, TO EDDIE'S POINT IN THE FUTURE, UM, AND HE HAS, I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT TONY ON THE SPOT, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THINGS GET RESHAPED AND WHAT THE GOVERNANCE LOOKS LIKE IN THE FUTURE AND HOW THINGS CHANGE AND ADAPT, RIGHT. TO MAKE THIS A BIT MORE FLEXIBLE TO ACHIEVE THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. AND SO, UM, I JUST ASKED THE QUESTION AS A BASIS FOR INFORMING HOW THOSE MODIFICATIONS MIGHT TAKE PLACE, BECAUSE I THINK IF WE COULD KNOW THAT AS A MECHANISM, IT MIGHT INFORM HOW WE RESTRUCTURE THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY GOTCHA. AND HOW THAT GOES FORWARD. SO, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. DOES OKAY. SARAH, DR. QUICK SAW. ANYONE ELSE? ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON IT? QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? SO MY ONLY QUESTION, PASTOR PARKER, IS WHEN EXACTLY. I CAN HARDLY HEAR YOU, SARAH. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ON OUR PART, OR IT MIGHT BE THE VOLUME ON YOUR END. I CAN WRITE IT IN THE CHAT IF Y'ALL CAN. I CAN HEAR IT NOW. I CAN HEAR YOU NOW. GOOD. OKAY. GREAT. I WAS GONNA ASK, WHEN EXACTLY WERE WE, UM, ANY CHANGES THAT ARE WE MADE, WHEN EXACTLY WILL THEY GO THROUGH ONE? AND THEN WHEN ARE WE EXPECTING TO HEAR BACK FROM THE CITY MANAGER? ONE? THE CITY MANAGER? WE'VE HEARD BACK FROM THE CITY MANAGER AS IT RELATES TO A, ALLOWING THE CONVERSATIONS TO MOVE FORWARD. THE, THE PARKS AND RECS DEPARTMENT WANTED TO HEAR SOME OFFICIAL WORD FROM THE CITY, FROM THE CITY MANAGER TO ENGAGE IN THESE DISCUSSIONS. SO THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN, HE'S ALREADY GIVEN APPROVAL FOR THAT. AS IT RELATES TO TIMELINE FOR, FOR, UM, FOR THAT, THAT'S UP IN THE AIR RIGHT NOW. WE DO NOT HAVE A TIMELINE SET, UH, FOR, UM, FINALIZING ANY KIND OF AGREEMENT. WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN AT SOME POINT. WE GOTTA HAVE A, A TERM SHEETS AND THAT KIND OF THING. IT'S A, IT'S A PROCESS, UH, PROCESS RIGHT NOW. UM, THE LAST WORD I HAD HEARD WAS SEPTEMBER, BUT THAT'S, THAT WAS MORE THAN AGGRESSIVE. AND WHEN I SAY SEPTEMBER, I'M TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING SOME KIND OF TERM SHEET FOR DISCUSSION. UH, SO NO, I DON'T ASK. THAT'S, I WAS ASKING PASTOR PARKER, SO THANK YOU. OKAY. AND, UH, PASTOR PARKER, I THINK I HAD MAYBE A, A COMMENT AND A QUESTION. I'LL, I'LL DO THE QUESTION FIRST. 'CAUSE IT RELATES TO WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING TO, TO BOTTOM LINE WHAT THE PROPOSAL IN THE AGENDA IS RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW. THIS IS JUST TO GREEN LIGHT CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE SOMEWHAT EXPLORATORY AROUND O AND M WITH, WITH PARTS AND REC. UH, AND WE'LL HAVE A MORE THOROUGH CONVERSATION WHEN WE ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT TO TAKE SOMETHING TO CITY COUNCIL. IS THAT, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. EXACTLY. OKAY. UM, AND THEN THE COMMENT THERE WAS SOME, UH, THERE [00:25:01] WAS SOME DISCUSSION OFF TO THE SIDE, WHICH DIDN'T NECESSARILY GO INTO THE MIC, SO MAYBE THIS WAS ALREADY TALKED AROUND, APOLOGIES. BUT THE, UH, WHAT I COULD HEAR PRIOR TO THAT WAS, UM, THE QUESTION AROUND RESEARCH, UH, AND, AND WHAT HAS BEEN DONE OR WHAT CAN BE DONE TO MAYBE SATIATE THIS BOARD'S, UM, CONCERNS ABOUT AN UNKNOWN FUTURE WITH OM. AND, UH, I HAD THE SAME THOUGHT YOU DID PASTOR PARKER, THAT THAT TONY'S CREW HAS DONE SOME, SOME BEST PRACTICES ANALYSIS AND THEY PRESENTED THAT. BUT ADMITTEDLY, THAT WAS A LITTLE WHILE AGO AT THIS POINT, YES. AND SOME THINGS ARE, ARE CHANGING AND WILL CONTINUE TO CHANGE. AND MAYBE THEY WEREN'T QUITE AS POINTED TOWARDS THE QUESTIONS THAT SOME OF US HAVE AROUND FUTURE O AND M. SO I WONDER, WITHOUT BEING TOO BURDENSOME TO HIS, HIS GROUP, IF WE COULD ASK HIM TO PUT SOMETHING MORE THOROUGH TOGETHER WITH NO PRESSURE, I DON'T MEAN, YOU KNOW, BY TOMORROW, BUT PERHAPS LATER THIS FALL WHEN WE HAVE THE, THE LONGER ANNUAL MEETING, UH, THEY COULD BRING IN A, A PRESENTATION OR MAYBE EVEN A DOCUMENT, UM, WITH SOME, SOME, UH, FRESH BEST PRACTICES RESEARCH AND TRY TO TIE IT TO SOME OF THESE UNKNOWN QUESTIONS. WHAT DO THEY, HOW DO THEY THINK THAT APPLIES TO A PART BETWEEN THE LEVIES? HOW DO THEY THINK THAT APPLIES TO SUSTAINED O AND M FUNDING? UM, I THINK THEY HAVE GREAT EXPERTISE TO DO THAT, AND WITH ENOUGH TIMELINE, AND I THINK THEY'D BE VERY LONG. I THINK THAT'S, UH, SO ONE CORRECT ON TERMS OF WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR TODAY AS IT RELATES TO THIS APPROVAL OF THIS MEMORANDUM TO THE, TO THE CITY MANAGER. SECONDLY, I, I AGREE. AND, AND I'LL, I'LL ASK TONY, UH, WE TALK AFTER THE MEETING ABOUT IT. WE DO HAVE, UH, IN OUR OCTOBER QUOTE UNQUOTE RETREAT MEETING, IT'S RETREAT. WE DON'T GO ANYWHERE. IT JUST HAPPENS. IT'S AN EXTENDED MEETING. IT'S THREE HOURS, AT LEAST THREE HOURS, AND WE HAVE LUNCH, THAT KIND OF THING. SO WE CAN, UM, FLESH OUT SOME THINGS THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE OPPORTUNITY IN A, IN A SETTING LIKE THIS. SO IF I'LL, I'LL ASK TONY AND TPC IF THEY COULD PULL TOGETHER SOME INFORMATION AND HE'S GIVEN ME THE HIGH SIGN WHILE HE'S HERE, UM, THAT THEY WOULD DO THAT. AND IF WE COULD HAVE THAT BY OUR OCTOBER RETREAT MEETING, UM, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND THAT WOULD ADDRESS, UH, SEVERAL OF OUR QUESTIONS. AND, AND WE'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT, WHAT IS THE EXACT STRUCTURE FOR CLADE WARREN? UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HEARD IN GENERAL THE STRUCTURE FOR THE PARK, UM, FOR THE ZOO AND THE ARBORETUM. UH, BUT I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHER PARTS. WHAT ARE THEY FUNDING MECHANISMS FOR, ESPECIALLY FOR O AND M? UH, THAT INFORMATION WE'LL, I, WE'LL TRUST YOU GUYS TO, TO, UM, TO GIVE US THE RELEVANT INFORMATION THAT'LL HELP US IN OUR DECISION MAKING AS MOVING FORWARD WITH ANY RELATIONSHIP WE WOULD HAVE WITH THE PARK BOARD AND OR EVEN IF WE DON'T GO WITH THE END UP GOING WITH THE PARK BULL, WHAT, UH, AND WE STAY UNDER THE CITY'S UMBRELLA. HOW CAN OUR MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BE, UH, BE MODIFIED NO MATTER WHAT, UH, UMBRELLA WE HAPPEN TO SERVE UNDER? SO, SO APOLOGIES. IS, IS TONY THERE IN THE ROOM? YES, HE IS. I'M SORRY. THE CAMERA'S SO ZOOMED OUT. I CAN'T TELL WHO'S THERE OR NOT. TONY, SORRY, I WAS SPEAKING AS IF YOU WEREN'T THERE IN A THIRD PERSON. SO APOLOGIES FOR THAT. HE'S GOOD. HE NEVER WANTS TO BE SEEN IN THESE MEETINGS, AT THIS MEETING. BUT ANYWAY, UH, OKAY. UM, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, UH, YOU HAVE REVIEWED THE, THE, UM, THE MEMORANDUM FROM THE CITY THAT I SENT TO THE CITY MANAGER UNDER MY SIGNATURE. WE DO NEED AN APPROVAL OF THIS LETTER, UH, REQUESTING PERMISSION TO UNDERTAKE THESE CONVERSATIONS. WHAT? YOUR PLEASURE. I NEED A MOTION. I, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE LETTER TO CITY MANAGER REQUESTING PERMISSION TO UNDERTAKE CONVERSATIONS WITH DALLAS PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT REGARDING INNOVATION, INNOVATIVE FUNDING STRATEGIES FOR OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF THE HAROLD SIMMONS PARK. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED A SECOND THAT, UH, WE APPROVE THIS, UM, THIS LETTER REQUESTING THE PERMISSION. UH, ALL IN FAVOR VOTE BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYES HAVE IT. SO IT'S ORDERED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UH, WHERE WE'LL HEAR, UH, ANY REPORTS YOU HAVE FROM YOUR WORK GROUPS. WE ARE, UH, AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE A REPORT, IT'S OKAY. BUT WE WANT TO GET, I WANNA GIVE EACH OF YOU OPPORTUNITIES. I SAID, AND WE OWE, AND I OPENING MY OPENING STATEMENT. JUST, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR [00:30:01] YOU, UH, ENGAGING IN THESE AREAS. IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU, I'M SURE YOU, UM, WHATEVER COMMITTEE YOU HAVE WORKED WITH, OR IF THERE'S ANY INFORMATION YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH US FOR YOUR PARTICULAR GROUP, UH, WORK GROUP, WE SURE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR IT. UM, A UNDER THE REVIEW OF THE, THE CONTRACT, I GUESS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT SO FAR, UNDER, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKS AND REC, THERE'S, SO DIANE, UNLESS DIANE AND ANDREW, IF THERE'S, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD TO IT. NO. OKAY. UH, PARK EXCELLENCE, WE JUST DISCUSSED WITH PARKS, THE LINCHPIN FOR PARK EXCELLENCE IS THE ONLY, SO, OKAY. ANY, AND THAT'S THE DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU JUST HAD. ALRIGHT. COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, DR. KNIGHT. YES. WE MET ON JUNE 15TH. HAD A VERY GOOD MEETING, VERY RICH DISCUSSION. UH, SEVERAL INITIATIVES THAT RELATE TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AS A GRANT, THAT'S, UH, IT'S THREE YEARS. WE'RE IN YEAR TWO. AND, UM, IT, IT, THERE'LL BE ABOUT 700 CERTIFICATIONS COMING, UH, OUT OF THIS. AND SOUTHERN DALLAS, UH, LINK IS GONNA, UH, PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION TO THE JOBS. ANOTHER, UM, ENTITY, THE LONE STAR, UH, JUSTICE ALLIANCE IS GOING TO HELP CERTIFY INCARCERATED, UH, UH, UH, INMATES IN HEAVY MACHINERY. UH, SO, UH, THERE'LL BE WRAPAROUND SERVICES PROVIDED AS WELL AS THE TRAINING. THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE CALLED HOKA, THE PROFESSIONAL OPPORTUNITY LINKAGES FOR ALL. AND THIS IS A FOCUS ON GRADUATING YOUTH THAT ARE UNDOCUMENTED. AND THIS YEAR, 8,000 DALLAS, ISB UNDOCUMENTED YOUTH GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL. THE, UM, COMMUNITY OUTREACH, UH, AREA, UH, WE HAD A VERY GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, GENTRIFICATION AND ITS IMPACT ON PROPERTY TAXES IN THE AREA. AND THERE IS A GROUP, THE COMMUNITY ECONOMIC EMPOWERMENT PROJECT WHERE WESLEY RANKLING IS INVOLVED BUILDERS OF HOPE, AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT FREE CLINICS OF DIFFERENT TYPES IN THE COMMUNITY. UM, THE, THERE'S AN EQUITABLE PART GROUP ALSO THAT, UM, WOULD BE INVOLVED. AND SO BASICALLY WE WANT TO LOBBY, UM, UM, STABILIZATION OF PROPERTY TAXES MAY, MAYBE GOING BACK TO 2012. AND, UM, THIS IS NOT JUST A DALLAS PROBLEM, OBVIOUSLY, IT'S A TEXAS WIDE PROBLEM, BUT A VERY GOOD, UH, DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE CAN HELP WITH THE IMPACT, THE NEGATIVE IMPACT OF GEN GENTRIFICATION IN THE COMMUNITY IS, UH, DR. KNIGHT. COUPLE OF THINGS HELP, HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, THE LONE STAR AND THE POLKA, THOSE THINGS ARE CONNECTED TO THE PARK. I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL FOR EVERYONE ELSE. WELL, AND I'M, I MAY CALL ON TONY HERE, UH, FOR SOME HELP WITH THIS. TONY. I'M, I'M GLAD YOU'RE OUT THERE. UH, BUT IT, I SEE A DEVELOPMENT, I MEAN, I SEE A LINK BECAUSE OF THE, THE NEED TO, UM, IMPROVE THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, AND THAT THEN THE PARK, IN A SENSE, WILL CONTRIBUTE TO GENTRIFICATION. SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE UPSKILL THE COMMUNITY SO THEY MOVE ALONG WITH US. TONY, YOU WANNA, UM, TOUCH THAT CERTAINLY. AND, UH, PASTOR PARKER PARKS, HOW THEY EVOLVED IN THEIR SOCIAL FUNCTION. AND 20 YEARS AGO, YOU BUILD A PARK AND JUST ASSUME THAT IT WOULD BE ACCEPTED BY THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE BEING PROACTIVE WITH OUR MEASURES AND CONNECTING WITH THE COMMUNITY AUTHENTICALLY FROM A RELATIONSHIP POINT OF VIEW, UNDERSTANDING THE SOCIAL ISSUES WHEN WE SAY THE COMMUNITY, SPECIFICALLY THE NEARBY COMMUNITY TO THE PARK THAT WILL BE IMPACTED BY THE PARK. SO THESE ARE EFFORTS THAT WE HAVE HAD. WE WE'RE FORTUNATE TO ACQUIRE GRANTS OR, BUT WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT HELPING THE UNDOCUMENTED, AND THE BIG, BIG CHALLENGE IS IMPACTING WEST ANEL. CLIFF IS THE GENTRIFICATION. AND, UM, WE CERTAINLY ARE SENSITIVE TO IT AND UNDERSTANDING OUR CAPACITY AND WHAT WE CAN DO AS A PARK GROUP AND CANNOT DO. AND SO WE'RE PARTNERING WITH, UM, PARTNERS LIKE BUILD OF HOPE WHO HAVE SPECIALIZATION IN THIS AREA, JUST TO SEE HOW WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF THE PARK BEING IN THE COMMUNITY, AND UNDERSTAND FROM THE COMMUNITY THEIR CONCERNS. AND SO THIS IS A LONG-TERM EFFORT. THIS ISN'T A CHECKBOX TO SAY WE'RE JUST DOING IT NOW FOR GOODIE POINTS. WE ARE COMMITTED TO BEING ACTIVELY INVOLVED [00:35:01] IN THE COMMUNITY. AND SO, DR. KNIGHT, THANK YOU FOR FACILITATING THAT MEETING AND MANY EFFORTS THAT WE'RE DOING. AND THESE ARE HARD NUMBERS OF FOLKS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH A WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, GETTING TRAINED TO BETTER THEMSELVES. AND WE'RE JUST FORTUNATE TO BE INVOLVED. AND, AND HOPEFULLY THIS IS JUST A START. YEAH. I, I ASKED THE QUESTION 'CAUSE I JUST WANT US TO, ONCE THE COMMUNITY KNOW THAT, THAT YOU'RE DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND THEY CAN SEE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARK AND WE'RE CONSIDERING THE, THE GENTRIFICATION PIECE, OBVIOUSLY IT'S HUGE. IT IS NOT, IT'S NOT A QUESTION WHETHER IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. THIS POINT IS ALREADY HAPPENING PRIOR TO THE PARKS DEVELOPMENT. THIS PARK IS JUST GOING TO ADD TO IT AND, UM, THE, THE CHANGE AND, AND AROUND THE COMMUNITY. AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US AS A BOARD AND FOR THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE TRYING TO ENGAGE IN THESE LONG-TERM ISSUES. RECOGNIZE YOU JUST DROP A PEBBLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, THE TRINITY RIVER, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT'S NOT TO SAY IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE IMPACT IS, IS, UH, SHORT-SIGHTED AT BEST AND CHOOSING TO IGNORE SOME MAIN, SOME MAJOR ISSUES. SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR THESE THINGS ABOUT WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. WELL, I THINK IT'S PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT THAT WE STARTED EARLY. WE DIDN'T WAIT TILL THE PARK WAS IN, AND THEN WE HAD A PROBLEM, UH, BEING PERCEIVED AS NOT A GOOD NEIGHBOR. SO WE'RE, WE'RE AT THE VERY BEGINNING. WE ARE IN TO, TO PARTNER WITH THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY BENEFITS FROM THIS. AND, AND HOPEFULLY, AND I'M JUST, I'M STICKING A LITTLE THING IN THE, THE, UH, WHEN DOES THE LEGISLATURE COME BACK IN SESSION? IT IS FIVE OF YOU. OKAY. UM, AND I KNOW IN THE PREVIOUS LEGISLATION SESSION, THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SOME TAX RELIEF IN AREAS LIKE THIS. AND MAY, I'M HOPING THAT TPC AND, AND THIS BOARD CAN ADVOCATE, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVELY FOR SOME TAX RELIEF IN THE NEXT SESSION. IT DID NOT, THERE WAS SOME PROPOSALS ON THE TABLE. THEY WOULD NOT, IT DIDN'T GET OUTTA COMMITTEE. UH, BUT MAYBE IF WE COULD BUILD A, FOR INSTANCE, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD TAXES, THE DEC A ASSESSED FIVE YEARS AGO IN THE BOTTOM WAS EVERY LOT WAS 7,500. THIS YEAR THEY ARE 75,000. UM, AND THERE'S ONLY BEEN THREE HOUSES BUILT. AND IT IS, IT'S, WELL, WE GOT 10 HOUSES UP NOW, I THINK NEW INFRASTRUCTURE. SO, UM, I KNOW TWO YEARS SOUNDS LIKE A LONG TIME, BUT IF THERE'S NOTHING IN PLACE TODAY, UH, MAYBE THERE'S SOME MOMENTUM THAT WE CAN BUILD AT THAT, AT THE STATE LEVEL TO HELP IN THIS AREA. NOT JUST FOR THE AREA AROUND THE PARK, BUT YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY FOR THE CITY AND THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO BACK TO PARK OPERATIONS AND EXCELLENCE, DIANE. WELL, I'M GONNA GO, I'M GONNA, GARY, GARY'S GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DESIGN AND THEN I'LL JUST TAG ON WITH PAM. OKAY. PARK DESIGN, GARY AND EDDIE. SO, UH, SINCE OUR MAY MEETING, UH, WITH THE, UH, UPDATED DESIGN AND THE NEW MODEL AT THE TPC, SO WE'VE BEEN BRINGING IN, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR, UH, BRIEFINGS THERE IN, IN THE, UH, IN THE TPC, UH, ALSO JUNE 22ND, WE HAD A DESIGN ADVOCACY MEETING WITH, UH, WHERE THE M-V-V-A-M-V-V-A ARCHITECTS WERE IN, UH, GOING OVER THE DETAILS OF THE, OF THE NEW DESIGN, UH, PRESENTING THE MODEL, UH, UH, VERY INFORMATIVE AND, AND A LOT OF REALLY INTRICATE DETAILS, UM, AND THOUGHT AROUND, UH, SEVERAL ASPECTS OF THE, OF THE NEW DESIGN. UH, SO IN REFINING DESIGN, UH, THE TPC IS ALSO, UH, RENEWING THEIR CONSTRUCTION COSTS ESTIMATES. SO, UH, GETTING, GETTING READY TO, UH, TO START MOVING FORWARD ON, UH, ON, ON CONSTRUCTION AT SOME POINT. THE, UH, THE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE OAMO AND M MODELS UNDER, UNDER CONSIDERATION BY THE PARKS, BUT, UM, THERE'D BEEN SOME MOVEMENT ON THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER MANAGEMENT INTERVIEWS AND, UH, DIANE PARTICIPATING IN THAT AND THAT, AND THAT IS FOR THE WEST OVERLOOK. I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, SPECIFICALLY WHAT AREA WE'RE TALKING. YEAH. SO, [00:40:01] UH, UH, ON AUGUST, UM, FIRST AND SECOND INTERVIEWS WERE HELD FOR THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGERS, UM, ROLE FOR PRECON CONSTRUCTION SERVICES FOR THE WEST OVERLOOK. AND, UM, TONY AND SARAH FROM TPC WERE THERE. AND, UH, NICK, UH, KOVICH FROM MVVA, PETER BRODSKY, DARREN JAMES, BOTH BOARD MEMBERS OF THE TPC AND MARIA GOMEZ, WHO IS AN ADVISOR TO THE TPC AND AND MYSELF. AND, UM, THEY DID A REALLY FANTASTIC JOB OF VETTING, UM, THIS PROCESS DOWN TO THREE CANDIDATES. UM, THEY WERE ALL VERY QUALIFIED. UM, THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, TWO HOUR INTERVIEW PROCESS WITH EACH FIRM. UM, THE THREE FINALISTS WERE BALFOUR BEATTY, UM, BECK, UM, EJ SMITH, AND THEN MCCARTHY AND HJ RUSSELL. AND IT WAS A VERY EXTENSIVE PROCESS. AND I CAN, I CAN SAY, AND I'M, I THINK THE TPC BOARD FEELS THE SAME. THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A BAD DECISION THAT COULD BE MADE. I MEAN, THEIR PRESENTATIONS WERE VERY IMPRESSIVE. UM, THEY WERE SCORED AND PRESENTED ON THE BASIS OF THEIR TEAM QUALIFICATIONS AND EXPERIENCE THEIR EXPERIENCE IN BUILDING PARKS. THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, THE CORE, AND OTHER NONPROFITS. UM, THERE WAS ANOTHER CATEGORY OF HOW THE MWBE, UH, WOULD BE APPROACHED, UM, HOW THEY WOULD ENGAGE FIRMS AND DEMONSTRATE THE FIRM'S ABILITY TO BUILD CAPACITY WHEN WITHIN THESE WBE FIRMS. UM, AND THEN JUST AN OVERALL PROJECT UNDERSTANDING AND THEIR APPROACH TO THE PROJECT WAS A, A CRITICAL, UM, AREA WHICH, YOU KNOW, INVOLVED COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS, THE CONSTRUCTION AS IT RELATED TO THE SITE AND SO FORTH. UM, THEIR SAFETY RECORD AND QUALITY ASSURANCE CONTROL PLANS WERE REVIEWED THOROUGHLY. AND THEN LASTLY, THEIR FINANCIAL STABILITY AND CAPACITY AND HOW THE PARK WOULD IMPACT THE CITY OF DALLAS. AND AS I SAID, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS A VERY THOROUGH PROCESS AND ALL THREE FIRMS WERE VERY WELL PREPARED AND VERY CAPABLE. SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE, THERE IS ONE MORE MEETING, UM, THAT THE TPC IS GOING TO ENGAGE WITH THE, THE CEO OF THESE FIRMS, AND THEN A DECISION WILL BE MADE. TONY, IF I'VE MISSED ANYTHING HERE, UM, LET ME KNOW. NO, DIANE, I THOUGHT YOU COVERED IT QUITE WELL. JUST TO ECHO THAT, WE'RE IN SUCH AN AWESOME POSITION WITH THREE HIGHLY QUALIFIED AND HIGHLY COMPETENT, UH, DALLAS SPACE CO, UH, CONTRACTOR COMPANIES. AND SO, UM, WE ARE MEETING PER DIANE'S STATEMENT WITH THE CEOS OF ALL THREE JUST TO CLOSE THE LOOP AND HOPING TO MAKE A DECISION BY THE END OF THE MONTH. OH, AND THIS IS, JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS FOR PRE-CONSTRUCTION? THAT'S CORRECT. PRE-CONSTRUCTION SERVICES. UH, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR MY LAY MY LAY PERSON'S EARS? SO THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THIS, IN THIS GROUP, THIS DECISION IS BEING MADE FOR THE GENERAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE PARK, AS IN THE BRICK AND MORTAR AND THE, THE DIRT PREP. THIS IS THE PREPARATION FOR THAT. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS WINDOW PREPARATION AND PRICING TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT. UM, IT GENERALLY THOUGH, THE THREE CANDIDATES WOULD THEN BE, UM, HIGHLY PROBABLE TO TAKE THE ROLE OF THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST START OF IT. SO, ALRIGHT, LAYPERSON'S EARS. WHAT DOES, WHAT IS INVOLVED IN PRE-CONSTRUCTION SERVICE? PRECONSTRUCTION EXAMPLE, PRICING. IT'S UNDERSTANDING THE DESIGN, UM, AND, AND HOW THAT WILL TRANSLATE TO A BUILD. AND SO IT'S LITERALLY GOING THROUGH THE PROJECT FROM A PRICING, FROM A CONSTRUCTION, FROM, UM, THE PROCESS THAT IT WILL TAKE TO GO TO HARD CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. LET ME ASK, THAT'S ANOTHER NAIVE QUESTION TOO. WHY WOULD YOU NEED A SEPARATE FIRM FOR PRE-CONSTRUCTION AND FOR, UH, CONSTRUCTION? SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE DISJOINTED. IT WOULD BE, UH, SOMETIMES THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH A FIRM AND THEN YOU REALIZE THEY MAY NOT BE, OR THEY MAY LACK EXPERTISE AND YOU MAY NEED TO ADJUST. BUT GENERALLY DOC TONIGHT, YOU WANT THE CONTINUITY OF THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION DEVELOPMENT THAT CARRIES OVER INTO CONSTRUCTION. SO THEY'RE AUDITIONING. YES MA'AM. THEY'RE , THEY'RE WELL, AND ALL THREE FIRMS ARE CAPABLE OF BEING THE GC ON THE PROJECT. SO YEAH. AND QUITE FRANKLY, THEY'RE HOPING TO BE. YEAH. AND SO THEY'LL DO A GREAT JOB IN THE PRECONSTRUCTION. YEAH. LAY PEOPLE LIKE ME. I KATIE, DID YOU, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? OH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UM, HAD A CHANCE TO, TO MEET WITH TONY AND GARY AND, UM, WENT AND TOURED, YOU KNOW, THE [00:45:01] UPDATE TO THE MODEL AND IT'S CONTINUES TO BE AN INSPIRATION, UM, OF A REALLY AMAZING VISION. UH, I'M JUST APPRECIATIVE, YOU KNOW, TONY EXPLAINED, YOU KNOW, THE, THEY'RE REALLY THINKING CRITICALLY ABOUT HOW TO FULFILL THIS VISION OF DESIGN AND WHAT IT MEANS WITH COMMUNITY. UH, BUT REALLY TRYING TO BALANCE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT REALLY MEANS TO THE COST ASPECT OF THE PROJECT. LIKE THE FILL CONDITION ON THAT. UM, THE, UH, THE, THE WEST BANK AND ON THE STREET SIDE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY WERE INTENDING TO GET DIRT VERSUS WHERE THEY, THE TRADE OF WHERE THEY'RE NOW GONNA GET IT TO EXECUTE COSTS DOWN, UH, THE EVALUATION OF THE TUNNEL SYSTEM FOR THE LAND BRIDGE CONNECTING BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. UH, THERE'S CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THE WEST BANK, BUT THE FINGERS AND CONNECTIVITY AND INTO THE GREATER COMMUNITY. AND AS AN ARCHITECT, UH, AND AS A, AS AN URBANIST, I REALLY VALUE THAT AND APPRECIATE THAT. UM, AND SO I'M REALLY EXCITED. I MEAN, THERE'S THE, THE, UM, ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THE SHED, RIGHT? UM, AS A GATHERING SPOT, THEY'RE REALLY THINKING ABOUT SHADE, UH, THINKING ABOUT WATER, UM, AND ALL THOSE FACTORS, UM, YOU KNOW, TO REALLY MAKE THIS A SUSTAINABLE PLACE. SO, UM, I TALKED TO GARY ABOUT COULD WE EVEN PUSH, PUSH THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, EN ENERGY CON CONSERVATION OVER TIME AND WHAT THAT MEANS AND HOW CAN WE USE POTENTIALLY SOLAR, UM, COLLECTORS AS OF MEANS OF SHADING DEVICES? MAYBE THOSE ARE ELEMENTS ON THIS, ON THIS, UH, THIS SHED THE SOUL SHED MM-HMM . JUST THINKING THROUGH COULD THERE BE PARTNERSHIPS ABOUT, UH, LEVERAGING, UH, SYSTEMS LIKE THAT AND TO ACTUALLY INTEGRATE, TO ACTUALLY MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND PARK SPACE AND RECREATION, BUT REALLY THINKS ABOUT THE SUSTAINABILITY OVER TIME AND THE IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT IN A VERY, UM, SENSITIVE SORT OF WAY. SO VERY IMPRESSED, TONY WITH THE THINGS YOU CONTINUE TO PUSH FORWARD AND THE TEAM DESIGN TEAM AND UM, SO THAT'S MY FEEDBACK. GREAT. AND IF YOU HAVE NOT HAD OPPORTUNITY TO GO BY TPC AND SEE FOR YOURSELF YEAH, GO FOR IT. DO IT. UM, I APPRECIATE, I KNOW GARY HAS BEEN, UM, ADVOCATING WITH AND MEETING WITH COUNCILPERSONS TO GET THEM TO COME AND HOPEFULLY TPC IS GOING, GIVE US A DAY WHEN AT SOME POINT WE CAN SHOW THE PRETTY PICTURES PUBLICLY. UM, AND THAT, I'M SURE THAT IS COMING SOON. . UH, ALRIGHT. UH, COMMUNICATIONS AND MARKETING. SARAH JACKSON. HELLO? UH, CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? YES. GREAT. UM, SO JUST, IT SOUNDS LIKE OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF THE, UM, BRIEFING UPDATES ARE HAPPENING WITH THE, THIS LGC GROUP AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE COMMITTEE WILL BE MEETING IN EARLY OCTOBER, UM, AGAIN TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE EXCITING PRETTY PICTURES AND VIDEOS THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED PASTOR PARKER. AND SO THAT'S THE LATEST, UH, FROM US. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEP. ALRIGHT, YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. WELL, ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR UPDATES FROM BOARD MEMBERS, FROM YOUR WORK GROUPS OR OTHER THINGS DR. QUICK SAW? ANYTHING? NOPE. ALL GOOD HERE. ALRIGHT, WELL ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS THAT ? SO IF NOT THEN, UM, OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING IS FOR SEPTEMBER 15TH, THIRD, WE, THIRD, THIRD, THIRD FRIDAY OF THE MONTH. UM, AND THEN PLEASE PUT ON YOUR CALENDARS, UNLESS IT BLACK OUT THE FIRST, THE MORNING OF THE OCTOBER 20TH, IT'S QUOTE UNQUOTE OUR RETREAT. IT IS, UH, WE TRY TO HAVE, AT LEAST WE SERVE LUNCH, IT'S THREE HOURS. SO IF YOU WOULD BLOCK OUT THAT MORNING, IF IT CHANGES, OF COURSE WE WILL LET YOU KNOW AND IF IT'S LESS THAN THREE HOURS, BUT I DID WANNA, UH, IF YOU WOULD TAKE THAT TIME TO, IF YOU COULD. AND THAT'S OUR ANNUAL QUOTE UNQUOTE RETREAT. AND WE GET, UH, BRIEFINGS FROM, UH, SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS AND, AND, UH, TPC AS WELL. UH, SOMETIMES WE'VE HAD, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE IT OFF SITE, BUT UM, UH, THAT IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING. AND SO ALL OF THIS STUFF THAT YOU SEE HERE HAS TO BE PRESENT. UH, [00:50:01] AND SO, UH, MORE THAN LIKELY WE WILL BE HERE AT CITY HALL IN SOME ONE OF THESE PLACES, IF NOT IN HERE. ALRIGHT. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, IT IS 10 56 MEETING ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK Y'ALL. THANKS EVERYBODY. ALRIGHT, BYE NOW. TAKE CARE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.