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CAN YOU PLEASE TURN US OFF AT THE ROLL CALL?
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GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SCHOCK.
COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT HERE.
DISTRICT 14, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON HERE AND PLACE 15 VICE CHAIR RUBIN, I'M HERE.
UH, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, JANUARY 23RD.
IT IS 9:09 AM WELCOME TO THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS PLAN COMMISSION.
UH, LET'S TRY TO KEEP A BRISK PACE TODAY.
UH, ESPECIALLY THIS AFTERNOON.
UH, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH, UH, THE VERY FIRST BRIEFING ITEM, WHICH IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK AREA PLAN.
GOOD MORNING, CHAIR, UH, VICE CHAIR, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS PATRICK BLADES CHIEF PLANNER, UH, WITH NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY PLANNING.
I'M HAPPY TO PRESENT AN OVERVIEW OF THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK AREA PLAN.
UM, THIS IS JUST AN OVERVIEW AND A BRIEFING ON THE PLAN AND THE PROCESS.
UM, WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO FEEDBACK.
HOWEVER, WE ARE GONNA COME BACK TO YOU.
UM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A COPY OF THE PLAN.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AMPLE TIME TO REVIEW THE PLAN.
THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING IN FRONT OF CPC.
SO THIS IS AN OVERVIEW ON THE PROCESS AND THE BIG, UM, UM, THE BIG RECOMMENDATIONS OR THE BIG PICTURE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM IT.
UM, I'M GONNA BEGIN THE PRESENTATION WITH REMINDING EVERYONE, UM, ON THE COMMISSION, UM, THAT THIS IS THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA.
AND SO WHEN WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, THIS IS NOT SOUTHERN DALLAS.
THIS IS THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA.
SO THE SAME WAY THAT YOU WOULD REFER, REFER, REFERENCE WEST DALLAS OR EAST DALLAS.
UM, THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE WOULD REFERENCE THIS AREA.
UM, I WOULD ALSO FRAME THE CONVERSATION, UM, AND MANY OF YOU COMMISSIONERS ARE AWARE, UM, UH, THE SOUTH DALLAS COMMUNITY, UM, HAS GONE THROUGH CONSIDERABLE COMMUNITY TRAUMA.
THERE IS A LOT OF HISTORIC INEQUITIES IN SOUTH DALLAS.
AND SO AS WE'RE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION, JUST WANNA BE MINDFUL OF THOSE HISTORIC INEQUITIES HERE IN SOUTH DALLAS.
UM, WITH THAT, UM, I'M HAPPY TO HAND THE PRESENTATION OFF TO MY COLLEAGUE, MS. LINDSAY JACKSON.
UH, MY NAME IS LINDSEY JACKSON, SENIOR PLANNER.
I'M EXCITED TO BE PRESENT TODAY.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
UM, JUST GONNA DO A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE BACKGROUND AND THE HISTORY OF SOUTH DALLAS, UM, THE AREA PLAN AND THE ENGAGEMENT.
AND THEN I'LL HAND IT BACK TO PATRICK SO HE CAN REVIEW THE, UM, LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS.
I KNOW YOU ALL ARE EAGER TO HEAR.
AND WE'LL, UM, TALK ABOUT SOME IMPLEMENTATION THAT IS GOING ON IN REAL TIME, NEXT STEPS AND A BRIEF, UM, Q AND A.
SO, AS PATRICK MENTIONED, THIS IS SOUTH DALLAS.
AND JUST TO ORIENT YOU ALL, THE STAR IS WHERE, UM, SOUTH DALLAS IS LOCATED.
VERY ADJACENT, RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE, UM, FAIR PARK.
SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PLANS OVER THE YEARS, UM, WITHIN SOUTH DALLAS.
ONE BEING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORRIDOR PLAN.
BACK IN 2001, WE'VE UM, HAD THE DART STATION AND THE HATCHER STATION PLAN.
AND MOST RECENTLY, UM, NOT A CITY OF DALLAS PLAN, BUT THE FAIR PARK, A MASTER PLAN IN 2020.
AND SO THERE'S ALL THIS PLANNING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON, AND THERE HAS BEEN A LACK OF IMPLEMENTATION.
AND SO IN 2020, COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, UA INITIATED A, UM, FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO FOR THE AREA PLAN AND THE AUTHORIZED HEARING PROCESS.
AND SO OF COURSE IN 2020 THE PANDEMIC OCCURRED AND, UM, THINGS GOT A LITTLE BIT THROWN OFF.
AND SO DURING THAT TIME, THEY WERE ABLE TO KINDA REGROUP A LITTLE BIT LATER AND COUNCIL MEMBER BAIDU PUT TOGETHER THE TASK FORCE.
AND SO JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT.
THIS, THESE ARE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND STAKEHOLDERS, UM, THAT HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN SOUTH DALLAS.
UM, JUST TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT A FEW PEOPLE, UM, SCOTTY SMITH IS OUR CHAIRPERSON.
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HE IS A REAL ESTATE, UM, BROKER AND DEVELOPER.UM, COMMISSIONER WHEELER AT THAT TIME, SHE WAS OUR, UH, CO-CHAIR PERSON.
NOW SHE IS THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR DISTRICT SEVEN.
UM, AND JUST VARIOUS DIFFERENT GROUPS FROM TREK, UM, REPRESENTATIVES TO FRAZIER REVITALIZATION, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS LIKE QUEEN CITY.
UM, BRIAN WELLEN WITH FAIR PARK FIRST.
SO THERE IS JUST A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT, UM, PEOPLE THAT REPRESENT SOUTH DALLAS FROM FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATIONS.
YEAH, AND I JUST WANTED TO, TO HIGHLIGHT HERE, UH, WHEN YOU SEE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND WHEN YOU SEE THE PLAN, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT STAFF JUST SAT DOWN AND SAID, THESE ARE OUR IDEAS.
THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT CAME FROM THESE COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN SOUTH DALLAS.
UM, THEY WERE ALL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY SAID, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO.
UM, BECAUSE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP IN SOUTH DALLAS AND SAY, WE'RE HERE TO HELP.
HERE ARE SOME GREAT IDEAS THAT WE THINK CAN CHANGE SOUTH DALLAS, UM, STAFF'S APPROACH IN THIS AREA PLAN WAS NOT TO DO THAT.
WAS TO, I MEAN, MS. JACKSON AND I, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR THREE YEARS.
THIS IS NOT US PARACHUTING IN AND SAYING, THESE ARE SOME GREAT IDEAS TO, TO, TO HELP SOUTH DALLAS.
THIS IS US STANDING IN THAT ROOM OR SITTING IN THAT ROOM LISTENING TO WHAT THOSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS SAID THEY WANTED.
AND THEN FIGURING OUT WAYS TO ACHIEVE THOSE THINGS.
UM, AND SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENCE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT THERE TO HELP.
WE'RE THERE TO BASICALLY STAND THERE OR SIT THERE.
AND WHEN SOMEONE SAYS, YOU KNOW, AS THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND THESE MEMBERS IN OUR TASK FORCE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE IDEAS AND THINGS THEY WANT TO DO, THEY WOULD THEN TURN AND SAY, OKAY, MS. JACKSON, DID YOU GET THAT? MR. BLADES? DID YOU GET THAT? AND WE SAY, YES, WE DID.
WE'RE HERE TO HELP YOU ACHIEVE THAT.
IT'S NOT US COMING IN WITH THESE IDEAS.
THESE ARE ALL COMING FROM THE COMMUNITY.
SO AS YOU WERE REVIEWING THE PLAN, UM, JUST WANT EVERYBODY ON THE COMMISSION TO BE MINDFUL OF HOW YOU CAN DO THAT SAME PROCESS, THAT YOU ARE THERE TO HELP FACILITATE AND ASSIST THE COMMUNITY AS OPPOSED TO BRINGING IN, YOU KNOW, IDEAS TO SAY, THESE ARE MY GREAT IDEAS OF HOW I CAN HELP SOUTH DALLAS FOR HOW I CAN BETTER SOUTH DALLAS.
SO, UM, THE STAKEHOLDERS, THE TASK FORCE, THEY CAME UP WITH GUIDING PRINCIPLES.
AND SO IT WAS CRITICAL THAT THEY WANTED TO FOCUS ON LAND USE.
UM, IN THE CONTEXT OF ADDRESSING SOME CHALLENGES WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT, 5, 9, 5, AND JUST LOOKING AT FUTURE, UM, LAND USE TO DETERMINE HOW DO WE WANT THE COMMUNITY TO LOOK IN THE FUTURE, WHAT USES ARE MISSING, WHAT IS NECESSARY TO GET SMALL LOCAL BUSINESSES BACK INTO SOUTH DALLAS.
UM, THEY'RE LOOKING AT HOUSING, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INFRASTRUCTURE, OR THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S NEEDED TO SPUR MORE DEVELOPMENT IN SOUTH DALLAS AND PROTECTING THE HISTORY AND CULTURE OF SOUTH DALLAS.
AND JUST OVERALL COMMUNITY WELLBEING WITH LOOKING AT HOMELESSNESS AND TRYING TO TACKLE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.
SO WE DID A LOT OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
UM, FORTUNATELY DURING THIS PROCESS WE WERE ALSO WORKING TOWARDS, UM, FORWARD DALLAS.
AND SO EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE HERE IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH, UM, OUR CITYWIDE APPROVED FORWARD DALLAS PLAN.
WE WENT TO NUMEROUS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS, UM, DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS THROUGHOUT SOUTH DALLAS.
AND WE HAD A REALLY GOOD TIME JUST GETTING FEEDBACK FROM ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
UM, HERE'S A BRIEF HIGHLIGHT OF JUST SOME OF THE MEETINGS.
WE DID DIFFERENT PRESENTATIONS, POPUPS, UM, WE'VE HAD TOURS IN SOUTH DALLAS WITH OUR HOUSING DEPARTMENT AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
AND I'LL COVER A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT LATER.
BUT ALSO JUST DOING EDUCATION WORKSHOPS SO THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE AWARE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW TO FORM A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
SO ALL OF THIS WAS CRITICAL TO, UM, GATHERING INFORMATION FOR THIS PLAN.
AND THIS IS JUST TO KINDA SHOW ALL THE DIFFERENT, UM, STAKEHOLDERS AND INVOLVEMENT THAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS.
ALSO, WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT SINCE THIS IS AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, WE HAVE LOOKED AT OUR DIFFERENT INTERDEPARTMENTAL PLANS FROM INFRASTRUCTURE MANAGEMENT TO THE DALLAS HOUSING POLICY, PREVIOUS BUDGETS, AS WELL AS, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND RACIAL EQUITY PLAN.
SO WHEN YOU SEE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, JUST KNOW THAT THIS WAS, UM, DRAWN FROM EXISTING PLANS SO THAT ALL DEPARTMENTS ARE SOMEWHAT IN
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ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO.UM, HERE ARE THE FIVE FOCUS AREAS, THE TASK FORCE, WE HAD TO EXPLAIN TO THEM, HEY, WE CAN'T DO EVERYTHING.
'CAUSE INITIALLY THERE WAS ABOUT 13 DIFFERENT FOCUS AREAS AND WE SAID, HEY, WE'VE GOTTA NARROW IT DOWN.
AND SO, UM, THE TASK FORCE DECIDED ON SECOND AVENUE, GIVEN ITS PROXIMITY TO FAIR PARK, YOU KNOW, WHAT COULD THIS BE? COULD THIS BE AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT LINED WITH, UM, SMALL BUSINESSES? WE'RE LOOKING AT LC FAY HIGGINS.
THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE, UM, AT SECOND AVENUE WITH THE SHOPPING CENTER THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE, MLK DART STATION, ALL OF THE AREAS SURROUNDING THAT.
UM, MALCOLM X BOULEVARD AS WELL AS QUEEN CITY, WHICH IS A, UM, HISTORICAL RESIDENTIAL, UM, AFRICAN AMERICAN NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO JUST TO HIGHLIGHT SOME THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN REAL TIME, UM, IT WAS COMMISSIONER WHEELER WHO, UM, HELPED ORGANIZE THE SOUTH DALLAS NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION.
UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN NEEDED FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND WE WERE ABLE TO PRETTY MUCH GATHER ABOUT 50, UM, RESIDENTS AT THIS MEETING.
UM, COUNCIL MEMBER BAIDU ATTENDED.
AND FROM THERE, THIS IS THE GROUP THAT KINDA, UM, HELPED US ANALYZE SOME, UM, HOUSING DESIGN STANDARDS THAT PATRICK WILL SPEAK ABOUT LATER.
UM, WE MEET QUARTERLY NOW, UM, WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION, AND IT'S A WAY FOR THEM TO EXCHANGE INFORMATION WITH ONE ANOTHER AND KEEP EVERYONE ABREAST OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS POINT.
SOUTH REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE, THIS IS A GROUP OF LAND OWNERS PROPERTY OWNERS IN SOUTH DALLAS.
AND, UM, THEY MEET EVERY MONTH.
THEY ALWAYS HAVE REPRESENTATION FROM CITY STAFF PRESENT.
AND SO CURRENTLY THEY ARE WORKING ON SOME, UM, ACTION ITEMS AND INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS WITH, UM, OUR CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
AND SO THEY'RE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DEVELOPMENT AND REALLY FOCUSED ON THE MLK DART STATION AREA.
SO ALSO WANNA HIGHLIGHT THE, UM, AGAIN, INTERDEPARTMENTAL COLLABORATION.
THIS IS THE OFFICE OF ENVIRONMENTAL ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND SUSTAINABILITY.
SO WE STARTED HOSTING THESE MEETINGS PRETTY MUCH QUARTERLY, UM, GETTING OUT OF THE OFFICE, GETTING PROPERTY OWNERS AND LAND DEVELOPERS INVOLVED TO SEE WHAT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES COULD OEQS ASSIST THEM, UM, WITH THEIR DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
ALSO, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM A HOUSING PERSPECTIVE WITH THE AREA PLAN WAS FOR SOUTH DALLAS TO BE A TARGET STRATEGY AREA.
WELL, HOUSING HAS DESIGNATED SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK TO BECOME A NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION STRATEGY AREA.
AND SO WHAT THIS SIMPLY MEANS IS THAT IN THE FUTURE, FEDERAL FUNDING DOLLARS THAT HOUSING HAS WILL BE ALLOCATED IN THIS SPECIFIC AREA FOR LONG-TERM DEVELOPMENT OF HOUSING.
AND, UM, CURRENTLY, QUEEN CITY HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
THIS WAS LAST JUNE OF 2024, UM, TO GET HISTORIC DESIGNATION.
AND SO CURRENTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS WORKING WITH OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION TEAM TO DETERMINE, UM, WHAT WILL, WHAT EXACTLY THEY WILL PRESERVE AND HOW THEY WILL DO, UM, NEW RESIDENTIAL HOUSING IN THE FUTURE.
AND, UM, THEY SHOULD BE HAVING A SURVEY COMING UP THIS SPRING WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO OUT AND TAKE PHOTOS OF ALL THE, UM, HISTORICAL HOMES WITHIN THE BOUNDARY LINES.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE, BUT THAT LITTLE RED SQUARE, UM, THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN THE MIDDLE, THAT IS QUEEN CITY.
AND SO AT THIS TIME, I'M GONNA PASS IT BACK TO PATRICK SO HE CAN GO OVER THE EXCITING LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, SO IN THE AREA PLAN, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT REVOLVE AROUND INFRASTRUCTURE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, COMMUNITY WELLBEING, UM, HISTORY AND CULTURE AND HOUSING, UM, THOSE FOCUS AREAS OF THE TASK FORCE.
UM, UM, WANTED TO, UH, TO FOCUS ON, UM, ALL OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AGAIN, COME FROM, UM, THOSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, THOSE TASK FORCE MEMBERS, UM, AS MS. JACKSON HAS KIND OF GONE OVER A LOT OF THOSE, UM, ARE REAL TIME IMPLEMENTATIONS.
UM, SO THAT'S WORKING WITH HOUSING TO GET THEM OUT THERE.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY WELLBEING, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE NEED TO DO ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION.
SO THAT'S GETTING OEQS OUT THERE AND HAVING THOSE TOURS.
UM, IN THE PLAN WE ARE UPLIFTING.
UM, A NUMBER OF THOSE THINGS ARE THINGS THAT, UM,
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CPC YOU MAY NOT HAVE DIRECT AUTHORITY OVER.UM, WE'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ON THOSE, BUT JUST BE MINDFUL THAT THE ONES THAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR, UH, FOR FEEDBACK ON ARE GONNA BE THE LAND USE AND THE ZONING RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE THIS AREA PLAN IS GONNA BE THE BASIS FOR AN AUTHORIZED HEARING THAT'S GONNA MAKE CHANGES IN SOME OF THE P IN THE PD THAT'S OVER THERE.
SO, UM, AS I SIMILAR, THE LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, AS MS. JACKSON MENTIONED, UM, A LOT OF THE BIG BROAD, UM, LANE'S RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, WERE PUT INTO FOR DALLAS.
UM, THE MAP THERE, UM, IS THE PLACE TYPE MAP THAT SHOWS THE YELLOW, UH, AS THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THE BROWN OR THE RED AS THE CORRIDORS, THE GREEN AS THE PARKS, THE BIG BLUE THERE, THAT'S FAIR PARK IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, USUALLY AN AREA PLAN WOULD HAVE MORE DETAIL ON THOSE LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, OR SOME CHANGES FOR THE, UH, FOR THE PLAY SITE MAP.
BUT BECAUSE THE SOUTH DALLAS, UH, FAIR PARK AREA PLAN PROCESS AND THE FOR DALLAS PROCESS WERE BASICALLY CONCURRENT PROCESSES, UM, THE INPUT FROM SOUTH DALLAS, UM, FOR THAT, THAT MAP, UM, WAS PUT DIRECTLY INTO FORWARD DALLAS.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE AREA PLAN, UM, IT WILL BE THE BASIS FOR THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, FOR THE AUTHORIZED HEARING IN PD 5 9 5, WHICH I'M GONNA GO OVER.
SO THAT PD, UH, 5 9 5, IT WAS CREATED ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO, AND IT WAS CREATED TO ADDRESS CERTAIN ISSUES THAT WERE GOING ON IN THAT COMMUNITY AT THE TIME.
UM, THE TASK FORCE MEM MANY OF THOSE TASK FORCE MEMBERS WERE THERE IN THAT COMMUNITY AT THE TIME, AND THEN CAN SPEAK DIRECTLY TO WHAT THOSE ISSUES ARE.
UM, ONE OF THE BIG ONES WAS, UM, BACK THEN, UM, YOU, IF YOU WERE IN DALLAS, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER DALLAS DID NOT.
WE, WE HAD WET AREAS AND WE HAD DRY AREAS, UM, THAT CHANGED ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO.
UM, BUT AT THE TIME IN SOUTH DALLAS, THERE WERE A LOT OF CONVENIENCE STORES THAT SOLD NOTHING BUT BEER AND ALCOHOL AND JUNK FOOD.
UM, MANY OF YOU, UM, PROBABLY HAVE HEARD OF A FOOD DESERT.
UM, PEOPLE NOW TALK ABOUT SOUTH HOUSES AS A FOOD SWAMP.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS THAT THEY WERE JUST, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF, UM, CONVENIENCE STORES THAT WERE SELLING, AGAIN, NOTHING BUT BEER AND WINE AND A BUNCH OF JUNK FOOD.
AND SO PART OF 5 9 5 CLARIFIES THAT LAND USE.
AND SO WE TALK ABOUT IN THE AUTHORIZED HEARING ABOUT KEEPING AREAS IN THE PD AND NOT REMOVING THEM.
PART OF IT IS TO CONTINUE TO, UH, TO FOCUS ON THAT, UH, OR TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT ISSUE, UH, THE, THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS.
THOSE, UM, EMPHATICALLY STATED TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THEY WANT TO CHANGE 5, 9 5, HOW DO WE CHANGE 5 9 5, WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT 5 9 5? BECAUSE, UM, THERE ARE CURRENT ISSUES THAT, UM, SOUTH DALLAS WAS FACING THAT AREN'T ADDRESSED IN THAT PD.
AND A, I AM GONNA STOP PRESENTING FOR A SECOND BECAUSE THE POWERPOINT IS LAGGING BEHIND MR. CHAIR.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION WHILE WE'RE OF COURSE.
UH, COULD YOU GUYS TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT QUEEN CITY? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE HISTORICAL BACKGROUND OF THIS? UM, SO I KNOW, UM, I WISH MS. JONES COULD BE HERE TO TELL YOU ALL ABOUT QUEEN CITY.
UM, BUT QUEEN CITY IS A HISTORIC AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY IN SOUTH
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DALLAS.UM, IT'S BEEN THERE, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD STARTED ABOUT A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, IN FACT, A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.
UM, WITH, UH, WOODEN FRAMED HOMES THAT WERE BUILT, UM, IN THE TWENTIES, THIRTIES, AND INTO THE FORTIES.
THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE HOUSING WAS BUILT.
MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WAS POPULATED AT THAT POINT.
IT WAS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY, UM, THROUGHOUT THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES, WAS A VERY STRONG MIDDLE CLASS AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY.
UM, CENTERED A LITTLE BIT AROUND SECOND AVENUE, WHICH IS JUST KIND OF TO THE NORTH OF IT, WHICH WAS KINDA THE COMMERCIAL AREA.
UM, QUEEN CITY, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THERE WERE SOME HISTORIC INEQUITIES AND UNDERINVESTMENT IN SOUTH AUS IN QUEEN CITY AROUND THAT TIME, BOTH IN THE PRIVATE BOOK AND PRIVATE SECTOR.
UM, BY THE NINETIES, UM, THERE WAS HISTORIC PRESERVATION MOVEMENTS, UM, THAT OCCURRED, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST IN QUEEN CITY, BUT THROUGHOUT DALLAS.
UM, AND QUEEN CITY WAS PUT ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
UM, IT DID NOT BECOME A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
MR. BLADES, MY, MY APOLOGIES, HAVE BEEN ADVISED THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE A PAUSE NOW.
I THINK WE, I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST A POWERPOINT, BUT WE LOST A FEED.
SO LET'S TAKE A, A FIVE MINUTE, UH, BREAK AT 9:29 AM WE ARE RECORDING.
IT IS, UH, 9:57 AM MY APOLOGIES FOR THE DELAY.
WE ARE BACK ONLINE AND WE'LL CONTINUE WITH THE BRIEFING.
I, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
UH, SO AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT THE AREA PLAN AND THE LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS HERE IN SOUTH DALLAS, UM, THE TWO BIG POINTS THAT THE PLAN STATES IS TO HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR NEW HOUSING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN SOUTH DALLAS.
THE OTHER ONE IS TO REVITALIZE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS AS MIXED USE CORRIDORS AND HAVE MIXED USE AREAS AROUND OUR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
THAT MIGHT SOUND A LITTLE SIMILAR TO THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE MIXED USE AREAS OF SOUTH DALLAS, SO A LOT OF SOUTH DALLAS, UM, UH, THE MAIN CORRIDORS OR COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS OR OLDER COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS, THERE ARE ZONE FOR, UM, SOLELY COMMERCIAL.
AGAIN, THIS WAS ADOPTED AS FORWARD DALLAS, BUT IN THE AREA PLAN IT'S, UM, CONSISTENT AS WELL.
UM, THE YELLOW ON THE MAP, AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THE BROWN ON THE MAP, UM, THOSE ARE GONNA BE MOST OF THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS.
UM, IF YOU GO TO THE RIGHT OR THE EAST OF THE BLUE, THAT'S FAIR PARK, THAT'S GONNA BE FITS YOU.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE SECOND AVENUE, LC FAYE, HIGGINS, MAR, UH, MARTIN LUTHER KING, MALCOLM X.
UM, THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT ARE DEFINED AS, UM, THE,
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UM, THE, THE LOW RISE MIX USE.UM, THE BRIGHT RED, THOSE ARE GONNA BE THE MID TO HIGH RISE MIX USE.
AND THE DARK RED IS GONNA BE THE, UH, MID TO HIGH-RISE MIX USE.
AGAIN, GOING OVER THE, UH, THE LOW-RISE AREAS IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.
THAT'S GONNA BE FITZ U THAT'S TO THE EAST OF, UH, FAROH PARK.
THAT'S SECOND AVENUE THAT'S COMING OFF OF FITZ U.
UM, THEN IT'S OIE FAYE HIGGINS.
IT'S GONNA COME DOWN, UM, THERE ON THE SOUTH.
UM, THEN WE HAVE, UM, UH, MALCOLM X AND THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF, UH, MARTIN LUTHER KING.
UM, AGAIN, THESE ARE ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL RIGHT NOW.
UH, THE AREA PLAN SAYS THAT THESE SHOULD BE, UM, CHANGED TO AREAS THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL OFFICE RETAIL, UM, AND MIXED USE OF, OF A LOW RISE.
THAT WOULD BE FOUR STORIES OR LESS.
THE LOW TO MID-RISE, THAT'S GONNA BE THE, UH, THE, THE BRIGHT RED AREAS.
THAT'S THE AREA IN THE EU FAR EAST.
THAT'S GONNA BE AROUND THE HATCHER STREET STATION.
UM, IN HATCHER STREET IS NOW OIE FAYE HIGGINS.
UM, IT'S ALSO JB JACKSON, THAT STREET THAT'S GONNA BE THE STREET THAT'S, UM, A COUPLE OF BLOCKS OFF OF FAIR PARK TO THE SOUTH OF IT.
AND THEN THE AREA THERE, THERE'S AN ORANGE AREA, THAT'S JEFFREY MYERS.
UM, THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, THE AREA AROUND JEFFREY MYERS THAT'S IN THE PD WOULD ALSO BE THAT, UM, COMMUNITY, UM, MIXED USE OR THAT LOW TO MID-RISE MIXED USE.
THE MID TO HIGH RISE, THAT'S GONNA BE THE STEP THAT'S CLOSEST TO FAIR PARK.
UM, THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, AROUND THE MLK STATION, ALONG ROBERT B CULLUM, WHICH IS THE STREET THAT FRONTS FAIR PARK.
AND THEN THE NORTHERN PART OF, UM, OF MLK.
UM, AGAIN, THAT'S GONNA BE THE AREA THAT'S KIND OF IN THE, THE, THE BURGUNDY OR THE, UM, THE, THE DARK RED.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS OF SOUTH DALLAS, UM, AND WE TALK ABOUT THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
SO THIS IS A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD OVER THE COURSE OF ABOUT FOUR YEARS.
UM, IN THE BEGINNING OF THE CONVERSATION, THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE, WE WANNA PRESERVE THE HOUSING IN, IN SOUTH DALLAS.
WE DON'T LIKE ALL OF THESE NEW HOUSES THAT ARE BEING, UH, THAT ARE BEING BUILT, UM, NEXT TO THE EXISTING HOUSING.
UM, AND AS WE CONTINUED THAT CONVERSATION, WHAT WE REALLY GOT TO WAS, UM, ONE, UH, TASK FORCE MEMBER TALKED ABOUT THE GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE HOUSING.
IT WASN'T NECESSARILY THAT ALL THE HOUSING THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT WAS THE ONES THAT WERE THE MOST EGREGIOUS.
AND WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, OKAY, IF THAT'S WHAT THE IDEA IS, WHAT ARE THE TOOLS TO GET THERE? TALKED ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION OVERLAY.
WE BROUGHT IN CONSERVATION DISTRICT STAFF AND HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF.
AND AS MS. JACKSON MENTIONED, QUEEN CITY, 100% JUMPED ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE WANNA BE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
BUT AS WE TALKED TO THE OTHER COMMUNITIES, THEY WERE APPREHENSIVE ABOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND EVEN THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT BECAUSE THERE WAS AN IDEA, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DO ONE BIG CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
BUT WHAT FOLKS IN SOUTH DALLAS TOLD US IS, WELL, NO, THAT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE THE HOUSES ON ROMINE AREN'T LIKE THE HOUSES ON PINE AND THE HOUSES ON PINE AREN'T, LIKE THE HOUSES ON PENNSYLVANIA AND THE HOUSE ON PENNSYLVANIA AREN'T THE ONES ON METROPOLITAN.
AND WELL, OKAY, WELL, COULD WE DO 13 DIFFERENT CONSERVATION DISTRICTS? OKAY, WELL, OKAY, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, THEN WE'RE STILL GONNA BE DOING CONSERVATION DISTRICTS IN 2035 BECAUSE OF JUST THAT WORKLOAD.
AND SO WHEN WE REALLY STARTED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE THOSE CONCEPTS, WHAT PREVENTS THE GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE HOUSING THAT GOES UP THERE, UM, WE GOT TO BASICALLY FIVE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS THAT FOLKS IN SOUTH DALLAS TALKED ABOUT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER.
AND I USE MY HAND TO TO TO TO, UM, TO REFERENCE THEM BECAUSE IT'S HOW I REMEMBER.
IT'S A PORCH IN THE FRONT, IT'S A GARAGE IN THE BACK.
IT'S MAXIMUM TWO STORIES OF HEIGHT, SOME TYPE OF A PITCHED ROOF, AND A SMALLER DRIVEWAY UP FRONT.
AND I KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW, SOME OF YOU, UM, CPC MEMBERS ARE SAYING, OKAY, WHAT DOES A GARAGE IN THE BACK MEAN? AND OKAY, WHAT IS A FRONT PORCH IS? AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE WIDTH AND WHAT'S THE DEATH AND WHAT'S THE PITCH ON THE ROOF? BUT BEFORE WE GET INTO THOSE DETAILS, AGAIN, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WITH THOSE FIVE CONCEPTS, WHAT'S THE GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE HOUSE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY? WE DON'T WANT THAT.
SO HERE ON THE SCREEN, WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT HOUSES.
ONE HAS A FRONT PORCH, HAS A PITCHED ROOF.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT MEETS THOSE STANDARDS THAT WE TALK ABOUT.
PORCH IN THE FRONT GARAGE IN THE BACK, TWO STORIES MAX PITCHED ROOF, THE ONE THERE ON THE RIGHT, THAT'S THE TYPE OF HOUSE THAT SOUTH DALLAS SAID.
THAT'S THE TYPE OF HOUSING WE DON'T WANT, RIGHT? THE GARAGE IS THAT FRONT.
THE FRONT YARD IS ALL DRIVEWAY.
THAT'S THE TYPE OF HOUSE THEY SAID.
THAT'S THE GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE ONES THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT NOT HAVING IN SOUTH DALLAS.
SO AGAIN, PORCH IN THE FRONT GARAGE IN THE BACK, MAXIMUM TWO STORIES.
SOME TYPE OF A PITCHED ROOF IN A SMALLER DRIVEWAY.
AND TO BE CLEAR, WHEN WE SAY GARAGE IN THE BACK, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ALLEY ACCESS SOUTH DALLAS.
THEY'RE NOT ALLEYS IN ALL OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
IN FACT, A NUMBER OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T HAVE ALLEY ACCESS.
SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ACCESS FROM THE BACK.
IT COULD BE IN THE FORM FROM ACCESS FROM THE BACK.
IT COULD BE ACCESS FROM THE SIDE.
IT COULD BE A DETACHED GARAGE THAT'S IN THE REAR, 30%.
IT COULD BE A, UM, ATTACHED GARAGE THAT'S THEN OFFSET FROM THE FRONT FACADE BY A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OR A CERTAIN LINEAR FEET.
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ABOUT WHAT THAT GARAGE ON THE BACK WOULD BE.YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY FIVE OR SIX DESIGN ELEMENTS OF A PORCH WITH DEATH.
UM, ELEVATION DIFFERENCE FROM THE GRADE.
IS IT COVERED? IS THERE A RAILING IT MOST LIKELY IN THE AUTHORIZED HEARING? THOSE ARE THOSE DETAILS THAT ARE GONNA FLUSH OUT TO SAY, OKAY, HERE ARE THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT, YOU HAVE TO HIT, YOU KNOW, FOUR OUT OF THE SIX DIFFERENT DETAILS.
UM, THE AUTHORIZED HEARING IS GONNA GET THROUGH SOME OF THOSE DETAILS.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THIS, UM, THE, EXCUSE ME, THE SOUTH DALLAS NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION ABOUT SOME OF THOSE DESIGN IDEAS AND, YOU KNOW, GETTING A LITTLE BIT IN FRONT OF THAT AUTHORIZED HEARING.
BUT TO BE CLEAR, THOSE DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE GONNA COME IN THE AUTHORIZED HEARING.
THE AREA PLAN SAYS THESE ARE THE FIVE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT.
SO WE HAD FURTHER CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS ABOUT WHAT THEY LIKE, WHAT THEY DON'T LIKE, AND WHAT THEY'RE KIND OF, WHAT WE WANTED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT.
AGAIN, WHAT THEY LIKE THE EXISTING HOUSING THAT'S OUT THERE, THE NEW HOUSING THAT LOOKS LIKE THE OLDER HOUSING, WHAT THEY DON'T LIKE, THE NEW HOMES THAT ARE GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE.
WHAT THEY DON'T LIKE WAS BIG APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INTERIOR OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
WHAT THEY SAID, WELL, LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS IS DUPLEXES AND ADUS.
'CAUSE THEY SAID THERE ARE PLENTY OF DUPLEXES IN ADUS ALREADY IN SOUTH DALLAS.
AND AS ONE, UH, TASK FORCE MEMBER PUT IT, A DUPLEX IS JUST A HOUSE WITH TWO FRONT DOORS.
BUT THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE EXISTING IN SOUTH DALLAS, THE ONES THAT WERE BUILT 50 YEARS AGO, 80 YEARS AGO, A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.
AND SO THEY SAID, IF YOU CAN MAKE THE NEW DUPLEXES LOOK LIKE THE DUPLEXES THAT ARE ALREADY OUT THERE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING.
IF WE CAN HAVE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS ABOUT IT, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD OR WE'RE LOOKING INTO.
SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DUPLEXES.
SO TO BE CLEAR, THE AREA PLAN DOES NOT RECOMMEND ALLOWING DUPLEXES IN ANY OF THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS.
IT DOES NOT RECOMMEND ALLOWING THOSE DUPLEXES BY RIGHT IN THE R FIVE, THE R 7.5, OR THERE'S AN R 3.8 SUBDISTRICT.
AND IF ANYONE SAYS, OH, IT'S GONNA DO THAT, NO, IT 100% DOES NOT MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A DUPLEX IN AN AREA RIGHT NOW IN SOUTH DALLAS, IT'S ZONED FOR A SINGLE FRAME THAT YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO APPLY TO CHANGE THE ZONING ON THAT AREA OR ON THAT PROPERTY TO BUILD A DUPLEX.
UM, AND I, I'M, I KNOW CPC, YOU'RE ALREADY GETTING THOSE REQUESTS ALMOST AT EVERY MEETING GETTING THOSE REQUESTS IN SOUTH DALLAS TO BUILD THOSE DUPLEXES.
SO WHAT THE AREA PLAN RECOMMENDS IS THAT THAT DUPLEX ZONING DISTRICT HAVE THE SAME DESIGN STANDARDS AS THE R DISTRICTS, THE THE SAME PORCH IN THE FRONT GARAGE IN THE BACK MAX TWO STORIES, SOME TYPE OF A PITCH ROOF IN A SMALLER DRIVEWAY.
AND SO IT GIVES THE OPTION THAT IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND SAYS, I'D LIKE TO BUILD A DUPLEX HERE, YOU STILL HAVE TO CHANGE THE ZONING, BUT IT GIVES A BASE ZONING DISTRICT IN THE PD THAT HAS THE SAME DESIGN STANDARDS AS THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OUT THAT ARE OUT THERE, UM, TO ADD IN.
SO IN THAT CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD ABOUT THE DUPLEXES, BECAUSE IN SOUTH DALLAS, WE HEARD THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD OPTION.
IT'S NOT AN EVERYWHERE OPTION.
WE DON'T WANT IT BY RIGHT? BUT IT'S AN OPTION THAT WE COULD PUT OUT THERE.
BUT THEY ALSO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, UM, OWNERSHIP BECAUSE IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS IN SOUTH DALLAS THAT AREN'T IN THE PD, THEY'RE BUILDING DUPLEXES, BUT THEY'RE ABLE TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY WHERE THEY'RE ABLE TO SELL THE LAND AND THE HOUSE THAT'S ON TOP OF IT, AS OPPOSED TO JUST HAVING IT BE A RENTAL OPTION.
SO WE HAVE THESE TWO, UH, WE HAVE THESE TWO DIAGRAMS THAT'S ON THE SCREEN.
THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS ONE LOT AND A DUPLEX LAND USE WHERE YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT UNITS ON IT.
THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS TECHNICALLY TWO LOTS.
IT'S STILL THE SAME STRUCTURE, BUT YOU'RE ABLE TO SUBDIVIDE THAT PROPERTY.
AND WHEN YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT, YOU'RE ABLE TO SELL BOTH THE LAND AND THE STRUCTURE TO SOMEONE.
AND SO WHEN WE TALK WITH SOUTH DALLAS IN PARTICULAR, UM, OUR, OUR CHAIR, UM, SCOTTY SMITH AND, AND THE FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER, DIANE RAGSDALE, THEY TALKED ABOUT, OKAY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN BECAUSE THAT PROMOTES HOME OWNERSHIP.
THAT'S A WAY FOR FAMILIES IN SOUTH DALLAS TO BUILD WEALTH, THAT YOU'RE NOT JUST BUILDING A DUPLEX THAT THEN YOU CAN THEN RENT, BUT YOU'RE BUILDING THE SAME STRUCTURE THAT YOU'RE THEN ABLE TO SELL TO TWO HOUSEHOLDS.
SO THE, THE AREA PLAN HAS THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT'S ANOTHER POSSIBILITY.
UM, NOT THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO BUY A, A, A PROPERTY, REZONE IT FOR A DUPLEX, AND THEN BUILD FOUR UNITS.
YOU'RE STILL BUILDING THE SAME STRUCTURE.
IT'S JUST YOU'RE ABLE TO SUBDIVIDE THAT STRUCTURE AND SELL BOTH THE LAND AND THE HOUSE FOR ADUS.
AGAIN, THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW THESE, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A GRANDDADDY'S HOUSE.
UM, AND THEY'RE OUT THERE ALREADY IN SOUTH DALLAS, AND SOME OF THEM WERE PERMITTED AND SOME OF THEM WEREN'T PERMITTED.
AND IN SOUTH DALLAS, THEY SAID, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN HAVING.
WE JUST WANT THEM TO HAVE THE SAME DESIGN STANDARDS, UM, THAT THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES WOULD HAVE.
AND THAT THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE IN 51 A TO SAY, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE WANT.
WE DON'T WANNA HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO BUILD THESE.
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THAT WE CAN DO TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE HOUSING THAT'S GOING ON TO ALLOW THESE.UM, AND SO THE AREA PLAN RECOMMENDS ALLOWING THESE BY RIGHT SUBJECT TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WOULD BE IN EACH ONE OF THOSE.
UM, THE R UM FIVE, THE R SEVEN FIVE, AND THE R 3.8, UM, ZONING DISTRICTS, WHICH AGAIN, PORCH IN THE FRONT GARAGE IN THE BACK.
TWO STORIES, THE HEIGHT, UM, UH, SOME TYPE OF PITCHED ROOF, SMALLER DRIVEWAY.
AND THEN 51 A HAS SOME DESIGN STANDARDS ABOUT WHAT AN ACCESSORY DRILLING UNIT IS.
SO THERE WERE A COUPLE OTHER LAND USES, UM, THAT THE PLAN MAKES, UH, MAKES, UH, CHANGES TOO.
UM, AGAIN, WHEN YOU GET THE PLAN, YOU CAN GO OVER THEM.
IT TALKS ABOUT HOW YOU SHOULD ALLOW CATERING.
RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TO GET AN SEP TO BE A CATERER IN SOUTH DALLAS.
UM, RIGHT NOW YOU CAN'T DO A RESTAURANT WHERE ALL YOUR FOOD IS TO GO.
MASSAGES AREN'T ALLOWED, BUT WE WOULD ALLOW THEM AS AN ACCESSORY USE IF YOU'RE DOING A NAIL SALON OR PERSONAL SERVICE.
RIGHT NOW, TOBACCO STORES ARE NOT ALLOWED.
AND IT'S MOVING THAT THE, THE VAPE SHOPS INTO THAT TOBACCO LAND USE.
UM, WE WOULD BE KEEPING CONVENIENCE STORES AS AN SUP BECAUSE THERE'S STILL THAT CONCERN.
UM, THE OTHER ONE TO BRING UP IS PARKING.
UM, SO THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TIME AND TIME AGAIN BY OUR BUSINESS OWNERS AND OUR PROPERTY OWNERS IN SOUTH DALLAS, THAT THAT WAS A DETRIMENT TO THEM BEING ABLE TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTIES.
UM, AND THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS WERE FRUSTRATED THAT THEY, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THOSE RESTAURANTS THAT RETAIL, THAT PERSONAL SERVICE TO GO TO IN SOUTH DALLAS A LOT OF TIMES BECAUSE THOSE LOCAL BUSINESSES COULDN'T OPEN UP.
SO I KNOW CPC AND COUNCIL IS LOOKING AT PARKING RIGHT NOW.
UM, IF IT'S ADDRESSED THROUGH CPC AND COUNCIL, THEN THE AREA PLAN WOULDN'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE ANYTHING IF IT'S NOT ADDRESSED THROUGH COUNCIL, UM, OR THROUGH CPC AND COUNCIL.
THEN THE AREA PLAN RIGHT NOW, IT CALLS FOR A REDUCTION OR REMOVAL OF THE LOCATION AND THE AMOUNT OF THE PARK PARKING MANDATE.
UM, AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD GET A LITTLE BIT MORE FLESHED OUT IN THE AUTHORIZED HEARING ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY THAT MEANS.
UM, BUT TO BE CLEAR, IT SAYS THAT RIGHT NOW THE, THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE PARKING IS TOO HIGH.
AND THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL PROVISION IN THE PD THAT SAYS NO PARKING CAN BE ANYWHERE IN THE FRONT, THE, THE FRONT, UM, 30 FEET.
SO IT'S REMOVING THAT 30 FEET AND THEN EITHER REMOVING THE MANDATE OR LOOKING AT REDUCING THAT MANDATE FOR PARKING.
SO THE NEXT STEPS, AGAIN, UH, WE'LL HAVE A DRAFT OF THE PLAN, UM, TO Y'ALL.
CPC ALSO POSTED ONLINE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, MOVING FORWARD, WE WOULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AT CPC BASED UPON THAT PUBLIC HEARING, THE INPUT FROM CPC, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION AT THAT TIME OR AT A LATER MEETING.
UM, EVENTUALLY WE WOULD HAVE COUNCIL ACTION.
AND THEN ONCE COUNCIL HAS TAKEN ACTION, WE WOULD DO THE AUTHORIZED HEARING, WHICH IS THAT PROCESS.
WE WOULD BE COMING BACK TO YOU SAYING, OKAY, WHAT DO WE MEAN WHEN WE SAID PORCH? IS IT EIGHT FEET DEEP? IS IT SIX FEET DEEP? IS IT HALF OF THE FACADE? IS IT 10 FEET WIDE? WE WOULD HAVE THOSE DETAILS AT THAT POINT.
UM, AND WITH THAT, UM, MYSELF AND MS. JACKSON WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, ER, PLEASE.
UM, I KNOW THAT I POSED THE QUESTION IS, UM, COULD YOU ANSWER, UM, WHAT WAS THE KIND OF FEEDBACK ON THE QUESTION THAT WE ASKED? UM, WHAT DO YOU LEAVE SOUTH DALLAS FOR ON SATURDAY MORNINGS? SO IT WAS A LOT OF, I'M, I'M, I'M LEAVING SOUTH.
'CAUSE THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT OUR, UM, THAT WE ASKED OF YOU.
IF YOU LIVE IN SOUTH DALLAS, BUT YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED SATURDAY MORNING? WHERE ARE YOU GOING? UM, IT WAS A LOT OF, I'M, I'M GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE TO EAT.
I'M GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GET GROCERIES.
I'M GOING, GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GET MY HAIR DONE, TO GET MY NAILS DONE.
I'M GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE TO WORK OUT.
UM, IT WAS ALL, A LOT OF THAT RETAIL RESTAURANT AND PERSONAL SERVICE USE, UM, THAT WEREN'T, THAT WOULD, THAT IS NOT AMPLE IN SOUTH DALLAS.
AND WAS THAT BECAUSE OF SOME, UM, A GOOD MAJORITY OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE VACANT IS NOT NECESSARILY BY CHOICE.
IT'S BECAUSE OF THE HINDERING AND ZONING, ESPECIALLY RELATED TO THE PARKING.
THAT IS A HURDLE FOR MANY OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS WHO TRIED TO OPEN UP IN SOUTH DALLAS, IS THEY COULDN'T MEET THE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS, UM, NAMELY THE PARKING, UH, REQUIREMENT TO OPEN UP THEIR BUSINESS THERE.
UM, COULD YOU, UM, AS FAR AS, AS IT, AS IT GOING, AS THIS IS LEADING TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE A GREAT AMOUNT OF WORK THAT, UH, OR IF, UH, IN OTHER DISTRICTS WHEN THEY'RE PREPARING FOR PUBLIC HEARING, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO ANOTHER FIVE YEARS, BUT YOU ALL HAVE DONE A GOOD AMOUNT OF THAT FOUNDATION WORK, UM, WITH THE COMMUNITY? UH, I WOULD SAY THE COMMUNITY IS PROBABLY BETTER SUITED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
UM, FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY ACTIVE IN SOUTH DALLAS.
COMMISSIONER HALL, IN THE, UM, HIGH RISE ZONE, IS
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THERE A MAX HEIGHT FOR, FOR THE HIGH RISES? SO IN THE AUTHORIZED HEARING, WE DEAL WITH THE MAX HEIGHT.UM, WHEN WE TALK TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS OUT THERE, UM, THEY'RE NOT REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT A MAXIMUM HEIGHT BECAUSE, UM, THEY'VE, THEY'VE TOLD US, AT LEAST FOR THE HERE AND NOW THAT THAT EIGHT AND 10 AND 12 STORIES THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT ANYTHING HIGHER THAN THAT.
UM, BUT WE CAN GET INTO WHAT A HYPOTHETICAL MAX HEIGHT WOULD BE IN THE AUTHORIZED HEARING AND THEN CODIFY WHAT THAT HEIGHT WOULD BE.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT LIKELY YOU WOULD HAVE BUILDINGS LIKE YOU DO IN THE CENTRAL DOWNTOWN DISTRICT.
SO, UH, I MEAN, A AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE.
THE DEVELOPERS THAT WE TALKED TO SAID, NO, THEY DON'T THINK 40 STORIES IS SOMETHING THAT'S APPROPRIATE HERE.
OR THAT THEY COULD GET FUNDING FOR.
UM, BUT I WILL ALSO POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE FREEWAY IN DEEP L HEIGHTS HAVE GOTTEN BIGGER THAN THEY, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
AND SO IT'S SOMETHING TO DEFINITELY BE COGNIZANT OF.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE TASK FORCE LOOKED AT WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HEIGHT WAS, UM, MAKING IT AT ROBERT B COLUMN ACROSS FROM FAIR PARK TO SAY, THAT'S WHERE WE CAN GO REALLY TALL.
BUT THEN SAYING, NO, NO, NO, NO, A COUPLE OF BLOCKS IN THAT SHOULD BE LOWER MID-RISE TO SAY YES, THERE MIGHT BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOME, SOME PRETTY TALL BUILDINGS, BUT NOT MANY OF THEM.
I WAS INTRIGUED BY THE DIAGRAM WHERE YOU SPLIT A DUPLEX IN HALF AND YOU SOLD ONE SIDE, TWO DIFFERENT PROPERTIES.
IS THAT BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS ALREADY BUILT ACROSS THE PROPERTY LINE, OR, UH, WOULD YOU HAVE TO RE REPL A PROPERTY TO SPLIT THAT HOUSE IN HALF? SO THAT, THAT CAME FROM, SO AGAIN, UM, IN THE JEFFREY MYERS AREA, UM, WE HAVE BUILDERS WHO ARE BUILDING THE DIAGRAM ON THE RIGHT, WHICH IS, THEY'VE GOT, THEY TOOK A PROPERTY, THEY REPLANTED IT FOR TWO LOTS, AND THEY BUILT A STRUCTURE THAT IS CONNECTED IN THE MIDDLE THAT LOOKS LIKE A DUPLEX WALKING ON THE STREET.
YOU, AND I WOULD SAY IT'S A DUPLEX, BUT TECHNICALLY THEY'VE SUBDIVIDED THE LAND AND NOW THEY CAN SELL THE LAND AND THE HOUSE.
SO IT WOULD BE MORE OF A CASE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION OF PEOPLE SAYING, WE WANT TO CREATE A HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY.
'CAUSE WE ALSO HEARD THAT FROM THE NON-PROFIT, YOU KNOW, THE HABITAT AND THE CHODOS THAT ARE OUT THERE TO SAY, YEAH, IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD DO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT DOUBLES OUR OUTPUT ON THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS AND THE NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOUSEHOLDS TO BUILD THAT WEALTH.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW YOU, YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN SOUTH DALLAS.
SO IT'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT IN THAT DUPLEX ZONING DISTRICT, YOU CREATE THAT OPTION.
YEAH, I, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT.
IT'S JUST SEEM, IT'S INTERESTING CONCEPT.
UH, DO OUR CODE CITY CODES, DESIGN STANDARDS, ET CETERA, ALLOW SOMETHING BASICALLY TWO HOUSES THAT ARE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
BUT THAT THERE IS A WAY TO WRITE, OUR BUILDING CODE DOESN'T PROHIBIT THAT INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE DOESN'T PROHIBIT THAT IT IS JUST OUR ZONING OR DEVELOPMENT CODE.
AND SO IT'S JUST CREATING THAT OPTION IN THE PD TO SAY, HERE'S A DISTRICT THAT COULD ALLOW THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER FORESITE? THE, UH, COULD YOU SHOW THE MAP OF THE, THE, THE, THE, THE AREA PLEASE? IS, IS, IS THIS WHOLE AREA AND THE PD 5 95? UM, IT IS NOT.
THERE ARE SOME AREAS, 'CAUSE THIS IS, UH, THE, THE SERVICE DISTRICT MAP.
UM, THERE ARE SOME AREAS ON THIS MAP THAT ARE NOT IN THE PD.
UM, THIS AREA PLAN PROVIDES, EXCUSE ME, GUIDANCE FOR THE ENTIRE AREA, BUT IT MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT CHANGING PACIFIC AREAS IN THE PD.
AND WE CAN GET YOU A MAP OF THE, THE PD OUTLINES.
IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO TO SEE BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALWAYS CONTINUOUS.
IT, IT, IT'S KIND OF LOOKING, IT, IT'S, WE CAN GET YOU THAT MAP.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO, TO LOOK AT AND TO UNDERSTAND FROM A CONCEPT IS, IS IT 80% OR 90% OF THIS AREA? IT'S, SO IS IT FULLY CONTIGUOUS WITHIN THIS AREA TOO? RIGHT.
SO IF IT DOESN'T INCLUDE, SO THE, THE BIG GREEN AREA, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THAT, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE BLUE AREA THAT'S GONNA BE FAIR PARK, BUT BASICALLY THE MAJORITY, 90% OF THE AREA THAT IS TO THE WEST OF THE BLUE AND IS TO THE SOUTH, SORRY, IS TO THE WEST OF THE GREEN AND THE SOUTH OF THE BLUE.
THERE ARE SOME CARVE OUTS THOUGH.
AND ARE THESE DESIGN STANDARD CHANGES THAT YOU'VE ADDRESSED IN YOUR POWERPOINT PRESENTATION? ARE THEY TO, UH, TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PD 5 95? YES, THEY WOULD BE THERE.
THE AREA PLAN MAKES THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE AREA PLAN DOESN'T, WHEN THE AREA PLAN
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IS APPROVED, IT'S APPROVED WITH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.A NEW HOUSE DOESN'T HAVE TO COMPLY, BUT THEN THE ZONING WOULD BE CHANGED.
AND IN THE NEW ZONING, WHEN YOU SUBMIT YOUR BUILDING PLAN, IT WOULD SAY, HERE ARE THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS.
SO JUST LIKE THERE'S A SETBACK RIGHT NOW IN, IN THE PD IT WOULD SAY, HERE'S A SETBACK AND HERE'S A STANDARD FOR THE, THE GARAGE OR THE FRONT PORCH OR THOSE THINGS.
IT WOULD HAVE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU WOULD THEN HAVE TO COMPLY WITH IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A NEW HOUSE IN SOUTH DALLAS.
BUT THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS APPLY TO THE PD 5 95, NOT TO THE WHOLE AREA? THAT'S CORRECT.
I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON ONE QUESTION THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER HALL HAD ASKED EARLIER ABOUT THE, UM, DESIGNATION OF QUEEN CITY, WHICH IS UNDERWAY.
ARE THERE OTHER NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT ARE WITHIN THE STUDY AREA BOUNDARIES THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN CONSIDERING FORMALIZING WITHIN THE CITY PROCESS? SO IN THE STUDY AREA, THERE ARE HIS, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT ALREADY HAVE THAT DESIGNATION.
UH, WHEATLEY PLACE, UM, SOUTH BOULEVARD PARK ROW.
UM, THERE, THERE ARE NOT OTHER AREAS IN THE STUDY AREA THAT DO NOT ALREADY HAVE A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THAT ARE NOT QUEEN CITY, THAT EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO DO A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND SO, BUT THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE OTHER, BECAUSE THERE, I BELIEVE THERE'S TWO OTHER, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION IF IT WAS ANYTHING MM-HMM
THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS AWARE THAT THEY HAD THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE.
YES, WE DID HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES ABOUT THAT POSSIBILITY.
AND, UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, THEY DID NOT EXPRESS A DESIRE TO DO THAT, TO DO THAT CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
UM, WE CONNECTED THEM WITH CITY STAFF TO TO, TO EXPLORE THAT OPTION.
UM, BUT THEY, UM, AT THIS POINT THEY HAVE NOT CHOSEN TO DO THAT.
COMMISSIONER, ER SECOND ROUND PLEASE.
UM, WOULD YOU SAY THAT COLONIAL HILLS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THOSE DISTRICT THAT IS, UH, UH, OPEN TO THAT, UM, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF S AND WRIGHT BOULEVARD, UH, FROM QUEEN CITY FOR THAT DESIGNATION? IT, YES.
AND SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH COLONIAL HILLS ABOUT THAT POSSIBILITY.
AND AGAIN, IF MOVING FORWARD THEY DECIDE TO PIVOT, UM, WE CAN MAKE CHANGES TO THE AREA PLAN TO SAY YES, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO DO THAT.
UM, WHAT I WOULD ALSO SAY IS, UM, BECAUSE THE RECOMMENDATIONS RIGHT NOW FOR THE AUTHORIZED HEARING WOULD BE TO REMOVE QUEEN CITY FROM THE PD IF IN DOING THE AUTHORIZED HEARING COLONIAL HILLS DECIDES THAT THEY ALSO WANT TO DO THAT OPTION AND THEY DON'T WANT THE DESIGN STANDARDS, THEY WANNA DO A HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE CAN WORK WITH THEM IN THE AUTHORIZED HEARING TO, TO DO A SIMILAR PROCESS TO QUEEN CITY.
UM, COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT THERE ARE ADDITIONAL PDS THAT ARE INSIDE OF PD 5 95 WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF PD 5 95 THAT WERE SET ASIDE FOR? UM, BECAUSE CERTAIN BUSINESSES, HISTORICAL BUSINESSES, UH, WOULD NOT MEET THE STANDARDS OF PD 5 95 AND WOULD ESSENTIALLY CLOSE, UM, ESPECIALLY ALONG THAT SECOND AVENUE CORRIDOR AND BEAR STREET.
YES, THERE'S AREAS IN THE STUDY AREA THAT ARE NOT IN, UH, TECHNICALLY NOT IN THE, IN PD 5 95, HAVE THEIR OWN PED, UM, TO ADDRESS CERTAIN ISSUES.
THAT INCLUDES BAYER STREET, THAT INCLUDES THAT AREA SECOND AVENUE, UM, THAT'S FURTHER SOUTH OR SOUTHEAST.
UM, AGAIN, THERE ARE SIMILAR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THOSE AREAS, UM, TO SAY THAT IF A PRIVATE ZONING CHANGE COMES UP, YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE AREA PLAN.
BUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN PD 5 95, THERE'S NOT A DIRECT RECOMMENDATION THAT WE CHANGE THE ZONING IN THOSE OTHER PDS, UM, TO, TO MAKE THEM MIX USE SPECIFICALLY.
UM, ALSO COULD YOU EXPLAIN LIKE THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE, UH, SUCH AS THAT, THAT ARE LONGER, UM, CORRIDORS, PRETTY MUCH BUSINESS CORRIDORS, BUT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT, UM, SUCH AS MALCOLM X, SECOND AVENUE, LC, FAYE HIGGINS, HOW THOSE CORRIDORS WE HAD TO ADDRESS AND LOOK AT EACH CORRIDOR SEPARATELY, UM, TO APPLY ZONING IN SECTIONS, I MEAN RECOMMENDATIONS IN SECTIONS INSTEAD OF JUST A FULL CORRIDOR BASED OFF OF THE FLOOR TRAFFIC.
AND SO WHAT COMMUNITY, WHAT THE AREA PLAN RECOMMENDS IS THAT THOSE CORRIDORS BECOME MIXED USE AND THAT WE CHANGE THE ZONING.
AND SO IF THERE, 'CAUSE THERE ARE AREAS ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE COMMERCIAL ZONING, THEY JUST HAVE, UM, RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
AND SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS ISN'T NECESSARY TO CHANGE THAT ZONING, BUT IT'S TO CHANGE THE COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY THAT ARE ON THOSE CORRIDORS.
AND SO IF YOU GO DOWN LC FAY OR IF YOU'RE ON, UM, AT MALCOLM
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X, THERE ARE POCKETS WHERE IT'S JUST HOUSING.IT'S JUST SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING.
AND THE RECOMMENDATION ISN'T TO CHANGE THAT, BUT IT'S TO CHANGE THOSE AREAS THAT ALREADY HAVE THE COMMERCIAL ZONING ON IT TO MAKE THOSE THE MIXED USE AREAS.
UM,
YEAH, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THE TASK FORCE BROUGHT UP WAS EXACTLY THAT POINT, UM, THAT THERE WAS, UM, KIND OF SOMETIMES A LACK OF, UM, COORDINATION BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
AND SO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS TO CREATE EITHER A FORMAL OR INFORMAL GROUP THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON ISSUES IN SOUTH DALLAS AS A WHOLE.
UM, THE TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS, UM, THAT STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED, UM, SINCE THE AREA PLANNING PROCESS STARTED IS THE SOUTH DALLAS NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION, UM, WHICH MEETS QUARTERLY AND THEN THE POINT SOUTH REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE, WHICH MEETS MONTHLY.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION IS MORE A COALITION OF THE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE POINT SOUTH GROUP IS MORE OF BUSINESS OWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, WE MEET WITH BOTH OF THOSE GROUPS AND I WOULD POINT OUT THAT BOTH THOSE GROUPS, UM, VERY MUCH SO, UM, HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WALKING HAND IN HAND THAT YOU ARE PRESERVING THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS WHILE ALLOWING FOR MORE DEVELOPMENTAL ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT BOTH OF THOSE GROUPS HAVE SAID THEY ARE INTERESTED IN.
UM, AND THAT AS ZONING CASES COME UP AS HOUSING WANTS TO HAVE MEETINGS, AS TRANSPORTATION COMES UP TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, THOSE ARE THE GROUPS WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY CALL LINDSAY OR PATRICK PATRICK UP AND SAY, WE WANT TO TALK TO SOUTH DALLAS.
WE SAY, OKAY, GO TALK WITH THESE TWO GROUPS.
LET'S GET YOU SET UP TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH BOTH OF THEM.
I KNOW THAT A LOT OF CONCERN IS AROUND HOUSING, HOW THIS, BY THIS AREA OF PLANNED TASK FORCE NOT BEING CLOSED OUT CURRENTLY, HOW WE'VE ALSO BEEN HAD TO