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CAN YOU PLEASE TURN US OFF AT THE ROLL CALL?
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GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SCHOCK.
COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT HERE.
DISTRICT 14, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON HERE AND PLACE 15 VICE CHAIR RUBIN, I'M HERE.
UH, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, JANUARY 23RD.
IT IS 9:09 AM WELCOME TO THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS PLAN COMMISSION.
UH, LET'S TRY TO KEEP A BRISK PACE TODAY.
UH, ESPECIALLY THIS AFTERNOON.
UH, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH, UH, THE VERY FIRST BRIEFING ITEM, WHICH IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK AREA PLAN.
GOOD MORNING, CHAIR, UH, VICE CHAIR, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS PATRICK BLADES CHIEF PLANNER, UH, WITH NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY PLANNING.
I'M HAPPY TO PRESENT AN OVERVIEW OF THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK AREA PLAN.
UM, THIS IS JUST AN OVERVIEW AND A BRIEFING ON THE PLAN AND THE PROCESS.
UM, WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO FEEDBACK.
HOWEVER, WE ARE GONNA COME BACK TO YOU.
UM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A COPY OF THE PLAN.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AMPLE TIME TO REVIEW THE PLAN.
THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING IN FRONT OF CPC.
SO THIS IS AN OVERVIEW ON THE PROCESS AND THE BIG, UM, UM, THE BIG RECOMMENDATIONS OR THE BIG PICTURE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM IT.
UM, I'M GONNA BEGIN THE PRESENTATION WITH REMINDING EVERYONE, UM, ON THE COMMISSION, UM, THAT THIS IS THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA.
AND SO WHEN WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, THIS IS NOT SOUTHERN DALLAS.
THIS IS THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA.
SO THE SAME WAY THAT YOU WOULD REFER, REFER, REFERENCE WEST DALLAS OR EAST DALLAS.
UM, THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE WOULD REFERENCE THIS AREA.
UM, I WOULD ALSO FRAME THE CONVERSATION, UM, AND MANY OF YOU COMMISSIONERS ARE AWARE, UM, UH, THE SOUTH DALLAS COMMUNITY, UM, HAS GONE THROUGH CONSIDERABLE COMMUNITY TRAUMA.
THERE IS A LOT OF HISTORIC INEQUITIES IN SOUTH DALLAS.
AND SO AS WE'RE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION, JUST WANNA BE MINDFUL OF THOSE HISTORIC INEQUITIES HERE IN SOUTH DALLAS.
UM, WITH THAT, UM, I'M HAPPY TO HAND THE PRESENTATION OFF TO MY COLLEAGUE, MS. LINDSAY JACKSON.
UH, MY NAME IS LINDSEY JACKSON, SENIOR PLANNER.
I'M EXCITED TO BE PRESENT TODAY.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
UM, JUST GONNA DO A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE BACKGROUND AND THE HISTORY OF SOUTH DALLAS, UM, THE AREA PLAN AND THE ENGAGEMENT.
AND THEN I'LL HAND IT BACK TO PATRICK SO HE CAN REVIEW THE, UM, LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS.
I KNOW YOU ALL ARE EAGER TO HEAR.
AND WE'LL, UM, TALK ABOUT SOME IMPLEMENTATION THAT IS GOING ON IN REAL TIME, NEXT STEPS AND A BRIEF, UM, Q AND A.
SO, AS PATRICK MENTIONED, THIS IS SOUTH DALLAS.
AND JUST TO ORIENT YOU ALL, THE STAR IS WHERE, UM, SOUTH DALLAS IS LOCATED.
VERY ADJACENT, RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE, UM, FAIR PARK.
SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PLANS OVER THE YEARS, UM, WITHIN SOUTH DALLAS.
ONE BEING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORRIDOR PLAN.
BACK IN 2001, WE'VE UM, HAD THE DART STATION AND THE HATCHER STATION PLAN.
AND MOST RECENTLY, UM, NOT A CITY OF DALLAS PLAN, BUT THE FAIR PARK, A MASTER PLAN IN 2020.
AND SO THERE'S ALL THIS PLANNING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON, AND THERE HAS BEEN A LACK OF IMPLEMENTATION.
AND SO IN 2020, COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, UA INITIATED A, UM, FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO FOR THE AREA PLAN AND THE AUTHORIZED HEARING PROCESS.
AND SO OF COURSE IN 2020 THE PANDEMIC OCCURRED AND, UM, THINGS GOT A LITTLE BIT THROWN OFF.
AND SO DURING THAT TIME, THEY WERE ABLE TO KINDA REGROUP A LITTLE BIT LATER AND COUNCIL MEMBER BAIDU PUT TOGETHER THE TASK FORCE.
AND SO JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT.
THIS, THESE ARE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND STAKEHOLDERS, UM, THAT HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN SOUTH DALLAS.
UM, JUST TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT A FEW PEOPLE, UM, SCOTTY SMITH IS OUR CHAIRPERSON.
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HE IS A REAL ESTATE, UM, BROKER AND DEVELOPER.UM, COMMISSIONER WHEELER AT THAT TIME, SHE WAS OUR, UH, CO-CHAIR PERSON.
NOW SHE IS THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR DISTRICT SEVEN.
UM, AND JUST VARIOUS DIFFERENT GROUPS FROM TREK, UM, REPRESENTATIVES TO FRAZIER REVITALIZATION, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS LIKE QUEEN CITY.
UM, BRIAN WELLEN WITH FAIR PARK FIRST.
SO THERE IS JUST A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT, UM, PEOPLE THAT REPRESENT SOUTH DALLAS FROM FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATIONS.
YEAH, AND I JUST WANTED TO, TO HIGHLIGHT HERE, UH, WHEN YOU SEE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND WHEN YOU SEE THE PLAN, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT STAFF JUST SAT DOWN AND SAID, THESE ARE OUR IDEAS.
THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT CAME FROM THESE COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN SOUTH DALLAS.
UM, THEY WERE ALL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY SAID, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO.
UM, BECAUSE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP IN SOUTH DALLAS AND SAY, WE'RE HERE TO HELP.
HERE ARE SOME GREAT IDEAS THAT WE THINK CAN CHANGE SOUTH DALLAS, UM, STAFF'S APPROACH IN THIS AREA PLAN WAS NOT TO DO THAT.
WAS TO, I MEAN, MS. JACKSON AND I, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR THREE YEARS.
THIS IS NOT US PARACHUTING IN AND SAYING, THESE ARE SOME GREAT IDEAS TO, TO, TO HELP SOUTH DALLAS.
THIS IS US STANDING IN THAT ROOM OR SITTING IN THAT ROOM LISTENING TO WHAT THOSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS SAID THEY WANTED.
AND THEN FIGURING OUT WAYS TO ACHIEVE THOSE THINGS.
UM, AND SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENCE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT THERE TO HELP.
WE'RE THERE TO BASICALLY STAND THERE OR SIT THERE.
AND WHEN SOMEONE SAYS, YOU KNOW, AS THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND THESE MEMBERS IN OUR TASK FORCE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE IDEAS AND THINGS THEY WANT TO DO, THEY WOULD THEN TURN AND SAY, OKAY, MS. JACKSON, DID YOU GET THAT? MR. BLADES? DID YOU GET THAT? AND WE SAY, YES, WE DID.
WE'RE HERE TO HELP YOU ACHIEVE THAT.
IT'S NOT US COMING IN WITH THESE IDEAS.
THESE ARE ALL COMING FROM THE COMMUNITY.
SO AS YOU WERE REVIEWING THE PLAN, UM, JUST WANT EVERYBODY ON THE COMMISSION TO BE MINDFUL OF HOW YOU CAN DO THAT SAME PROCESS, THAT YOU ARE THERE TO HELP FACILITATE AND ASSIST THE COMMUNITY AS OPPOSED TO BRINGING IN, YOU KNOW, IDEAS TO SAY, THESE ARE MY GREAT IDEAS OF HOW I CAN HELP SOUTH DALLAS FOR HOW I CAN BETTER SOUTH DALLAS.
SO, UM, THE STAKEHOLDERS, THE TASK FORCE, THEY CAME UP WITH GUIDING PRINCIPLES.
AND SO IT WAS CRITICAL THAT THEY WANTED TO FOCUS ON LAND USE.
UM, IN THE CONTEXT OF ADDRESSING SOME CHALLENGES WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT, 5, 9, 5, AND JUST LOOKING AT FUTURE, UM, LAND USE TO DETERMINE HOW DO WE WANT THE COMMUNITY TO LOOK IN THE FUTURE, WHAT USES ARE MISSING, WHAT IS NECESSARY TO GET SMALL LOCAL BUSINESSES BACK INTO SOUTH DALLAS.
UM, THEY'RE LOOKING AT HOUSING, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INFRASTRUCTURE, OR THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S NEEDED TO SPUR MORE DEVELOPMENT IN SOUTH DALLAS AND PROTECTING THE HISTORY AND CULTURE OF SOUTH DALLAS.
AND JUST OVERALL COMMUNITY WELLBEING WITH LOOKING AT HOMELESSNESS AND TRYING TO TACKLE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.
SO WE DID A LOT OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
UM, FORTUNATELY DURING THIS PROCESS WE WERE ALSO WORKING TOWARDS, UM, FORWARD DALLAS.
AND SO EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE HERE IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH, UM, OUR CITYWIDE APPROVED FORWARD DALLAS PLAN.
WE WENT TO NUMEROUS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS, UM, DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS THROUGHOUT SOUTH DALLAS.
AND WE HAD A REALLY GOOD TIME JUST GETTING FEEDBACK FROM ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
UM, HERE'S A BRIEF HIGHLIGHT OF JUST SOME OF THE MEETINGS.
WE DID DIFFERENT PRESENTATIONS, POPUPS, UM, WE'VE HAD TOURS IN SOUTH DALLAS WITH OUR HOUSING DEPARTMENT AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
AND I'LL COVER A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT LATER.
BUT ALSO JUST DOING EDUCATION WORKSHOPS SO THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE AWARE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW TO FORM A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
SO ALL OF THIS WAS CRITICAL TO, UM, GATHERING INFORMATION FOR THIS PLAN.
AND THIS IS JUST TO KINDA SHOW ALL THE DIFFERENT, UM, STAKEHOLDERS AND INVOLVEMENT THAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS.
ALSO, WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT SINCE THIS IS AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, WE HAVE LOOKED AT OUR DIFFERENT INTERDEPARTMENTAL PLANS FROM INFRASTRUCTURE MANAGEMENT TO THE DALLAS HOUSING POLICY, PREVIOUS BUDGETS, AS WELL AS, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND RACIAL EQUITY PLAN.
SO WHEN YOU SEE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, JUST KNOW THAT THIS WAS, UM, DRAWN FROM EXISTING PLANS SO THAT ALL DEPARTMENTS ARE SOMEWHAT IN
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ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO.UM, HERE ARE THE FIVE FOCUS AREAS, THE TASK FORCE, WE HAD TO EXPLAIN TO THEM, HEY, WE CAN'T DO EVERYTHING.
'CAUSE INITIALLY THERE WAS ABOUT 13 DIFFERENT FOCUS AREAS AND WE SAID, HEY, WE'VE GOTTA NARROW IT DOWN.
AND SO, UM, THE TASK FORCE DECIDED ON SECOND AVENUE, GIVEN ITS PROXIMITY TO FAIR PARK, YOU KNOW, WHAT COULD THIS BE? COULD THIS BE AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT LINED WITH, UM, SMALL BUSINESSES? WE'RE LOOKING AT LC FAY HIGGINS.
THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE, UM, AT SECOND AVENUE WITH THE SHOPPING CENTER THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE, MLK DART STATION, ALL OF THE AREAS SURROUNDING THAT.
UM, MALCOLM X BOULEVARD AS WELL AS QUEEN CITY, WHICH IS A, UM, HISTORICAL RESIDENTIAL, UM, AFRICAN AMERICAN NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO JUST TO HIGHLIGHT SOME THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN REAL TIME, UM, IT WAS COMMISSIONER WHEELER WHO, UM, HELPED ORGANIZE THE SOUTH DALLAS NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION.
UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN NEEDED FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND WE WERE ABLE TO PRETTY MUCH GATHER ABOUT 50, UM, RESIDENTS AT THIS MEETING.
UM, COUNCIL MEMBER BAIDU ATTENDED.
AND FROM THERE, THIS IS THE GROUP THAT KINDA, UM, HELPED US ANALYZE SOME, UM, HOUSING DESIGN STANDARDS THAT PATRICK WILL SPEAK ABOUT LATER.
UM, WE MEET QUARTERLY NOW, UM, WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION, AND IT'S A WAY FOR THEM TO EXCHANGE INFORMATION WITH ONE ANOTHER AND KEEP EVERYONE ABREAST OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS POINT.
SOUTH REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE, THIS IS A GROUP OF LAND OWNERS PROPERTY OWNERS IN SOUTH DALLAS.
AND, UM, THEY MEET EVERY MONTH.
THEY ALWAYS HAVE REPRESENTATION FROM CITY STAFF PRESENT.
AND SO CURRENTLY THEY ARE WORKING ON SOME, UM, ACTION ITEMS AND INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS WITH, UM, OUR CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
AND SO THEY'RE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DEVELOPMENT AND REALLY FOCUSED ON THE MLK DART STATION AREA.
SO ALSO WANNA HIGHLIGHT THE, UM, AGAIN, INTERDEPARTMENTAL COLLABORATION.
THIS IS THE OFFICE OF ENVIRONMENTAL ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND SUSTAINABILITY.
SO WE STARTED HOSTING THESE MEETINGS PRETTY MUCH QUARTERLY, UM, GETTING OUT OF THE OFFICE, GETTING PROPERTY OWNERS AND LAND DEVELOPERS INVOLVED TO SEE WHAT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES COULD OEQS ASSIST THEM, UM, WITH THEIR DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
ALSO, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM A HOUSING PERSPECTIVE WITH THE AREA PLAN WAS FOR SOUTH DALLAS TO BE A TARGET STRATEGY AREA.
WELL, HOUSING HAS DESIGNATED SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK TO BECOME A NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION STRATEGY AREA.
AND SO WHAT THIS SIMPLY MEANS IS THAT IN THE FUTURE, FEDERAL FUNDING DOLLARS THAT HOUSING HAS WILL BE ALLOCATED IN THIS SPECIFIC AREA FOR LONG-TERM DEVELOPMENT OF HOUSING.
AND, UM, CURRENTLY, QUEEN CITY HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
THIS WAS LAST JUNE OF 2024, UM, TO GET HISTORIC DESIGNATION.
AND SO CURRENTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS WORKING WITH OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION TEAM TO DETERMINE, UM, WHAT WILL, WHAT EXACTLY THEY WILL PRESERVE AND HOW THEY WILL DO, UM, NEW RESIDENTIAL HOUSING IN THE FUTURE.
AND, UM, THEY SHOULD BE HAVING A SURVEY COMING UP THIS SPRING WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO OUT AND TAKE PHOTOS OF ALL THE, UM, HISTORICAL HOMES WITHIN THE BOUNDARY LINES.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE, BUT THAT LITTLE RED SQUARE, UM, THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN THE MIDDLE, THAT IS QUEEN CITY.
AND SO AT THIS TIME, I'M GONNA PASS IT BACK TO PATRICK SO HE CAN GO OVER THE EXCITING LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, SO IN THE AREA PLAN, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT REVOLVE AROUND INFRASTRUCTURE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, COMMUNITY WELLBEING, UM, HISTORY AND CULTURE AND HOUSING, UM, THOSE FOCUS AREAS OF THE TASK FORCE.
UM, UM, WANTED TO, UH, TO FOCUS ON, UM, ALL OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AGAIN, COME FROM, UM, THOSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, THOSE TASK FORCE MEMBERS, UM, AS MS. JACKSON HAS KIND OF GONE OVER A LOT OF THOSE, UM, ARE REAL TIME IMPLEMENTATIONS.
UM, SO THAT'S WORKING WITH HOUSING TO GET THEM OUT THERE.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY WELLBEING, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE NEED TO DO ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION.
SO THAT'S GETTING OEQS OUT THERE AND HAVING THOSE TOURS.
UM, IN THE PLAN WE ARE UPLIFTING.
UM, A NUMBER OF THOSE THINGS ARE THINGS THAT, UM,
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CPC YOU MAY NOT HAVE DIRECT AUTHORITY OVER.UM, WE'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ON THOSE, BUT JUST BE MINDFUL THAT THE ONES THAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR, UH, FOR FEEDBACK ON ARE GONNA BE THE LAND USE AND THE ZONING RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE THIS AREA PLAN IS GONNA BE THE BASIS FOR AN AUTHORIZED HEARING THAT'S GONNA MAKE CHANGES IN SOME OF THE P IN THE PD THAT'S OVER THERE.
SO, UM, AS I SIMILAR, THE LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, AS MS. JACKSON MENTIONED, UM, A LOT OF THE BIG BROAD, UM, LANE'S RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, WERE PUT INTO FOR DALLAS.
UM, THE MAP THERE, UM, IS THE PLACE TYPE MAP THAT SHOWS THE YELLOW, UH, AS THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THE BROWN OR THE RED AS THE CORRIDORS, THE GREEN AS THE PARKS, THE BIG BLUE THERE, THAT'S FAIR PARK IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, USUALLY AN AREA PLAN WOULD HAVE MORE DETAIL ON THOSE LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, OR SOME CHANGES FOR THE, UH, FOR THE PLAY SITE MAP.
BUT BECAUSE THE SOUTH DALLAS, UH, FAIR PARK AREA PLAN PROCESS AND THE FOR DALLAS PROCESS WERE BASICALLY CONCURRENT PROCESSES, UM, THE INPUT FROM SOUTH DALLAS, UM, FOR THAT, THAT MAP, UM, WAS PUT DIRECTLY INTO FORWARD DALLAS.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE AREA PLAN, UM, IT WILL BE THE BASIS FOR THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, FOR THE AUTHORIZED HEARING IN PD 5 9 5, WHICH I'M GONNA GO OVER.
SO THAT PD, UH, 5 9 5, IT WAS CREATED ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO, AND IT WAS CREATED TO ADDRESS CERTAIN ISSUES THAT WERE GOING ON IN THAT COMMUNITY AT THE TIME.
UM, THE TASK FORCE MEM MANY OF THOSE TASK FORCE MEMBERS WERE THERE IN THAT COMMUNITY AT THE TIME, AND THEN CAN SPEAK DIRECTLY TO WHAT THOSE ISSUES ARE.
UM, ONE OF THE BIG ONES WAS, UM, BACK THEN, UM, YOU, IF YOU WERE IN DALLAS, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER DALLAS DID NOT.
WE, WE HAD WET AREAS AND WE HAD DRY AREAS, UM, THAT CHANGED ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO.
UM, BUT AT THE TIME IN SOUTH DALLAS, THERE WERE A LOT OF CONVENIENCE STORES THAT SOLD NOTHING BUT BEER AND ALCOHOL AND JUNK FOOD.
UM, MANY OF YOU, UM, PROBABLY HAVE HEARD OF A FOOD DESERT.
UM, PEOPLE NOW TALK ABOUT SOUTH HOUSES AS A FOOD SWAMP.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS THAT THEY WERE JUST, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF, UM, CONVENIENCE STORES THAT WERE SELLING, AGAIN, NOTHING BUT BEER AND WINE AND A BUNCH OF JUNK FOOD.
AND SO PART OF 5 9 5 CLARIFIES THAT LAND USE.
AND SO WE TALK ABOUT IN THE AUTHORIZED HEARING ABOUT KEEPING AREAS IN THE PD AND NOT REMOVING THEM.
PART OF IT IS TO CONTINUE TO, UH, TO FOCUS ON THAT, UH, OR TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT ISSUE, UH, THE, THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS.
THOSE, UM, EMPHATICALLY STATED TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THEY WANT TO CHANGE 5, 9 5, HOW DO WE CHANGE 5 9 5, WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT 5 9 5? BECAUSE, UM, THERE ARE CURRENT ISSUES THAT, UM, SOUTH DALLAS WAS FACING THAT AREN'T ADDRESSED IN THAT PD.
AND A, I AM GONNA STOP PRESENTING FOR A SECOND BECAUSE THE POWERPOINT IS LAGGING BEHIND MR. CHAIR.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION WHILE WE'RE OF COURSE.
UH, COULD YOU GUYS TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT QUEEN CITY? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE HISTORICAL BACKGROUND OF THIS? UM, SO I KNOW, UM, I WISH MS. JONES COULD BE HERE TO TELL YOU ALL ABOUT QUEEN CITY.
UM, BUT QUEEN CITY IS A HISTORIC AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY IN SOUTH
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DALLAS.UM, IT'S BEEN THERE, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD STARTED ABOUT A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, IN FACT, A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.
UM, WITH, UH, WOODEN FRAMED HOMES THAT WERE BUILT, UM, IN THE TWENTIES, THIRTIES, AND INTO THE FORTIES.
THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE HOUSING WAS BUILT.
MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WAS POPULATED AT THAT POINT.
IT WAS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY, UM, THROUGHOUT THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES, WAS A VERY STRONG MIDDLE CLASS AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY.
UM, CENTERED A LITTLE BIT AROUND SECOND AVENUE, WHICH IS JUST KIND OF TO THE NORTH OF IT, WHICH WAS KINDA THE COMMERCIAL AREA.
UM, QUEEN CITY, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THERE WERE SOME HISTORIC INEQUITIES AND UNDERINVESTMENT IN SOUTH AUS IN QUEEN CITY AROUND THAT TIME, BOTH IN THE PRIVATE BOOK AND PRIVATE SECTOR.
UM, BY THE NINETIES, UM, THERE WAS HISTORIC PRESERVATION MOVEMENTS, UM, THAT OCCURRED, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST IN QUEEN CITY, BUT THROUGHOUT DALLAS.
UM, AND QUEEN CITY WAS PUT ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
UM, IT DID NOT BECOME A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
MR. BLADES, MY, MY APOLOGIES, HAVE BEEN ADVISED THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE A PAUSE NOW.
I THINK WE, I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST A POWERPOINT, BUT WE LOST A FEED.
SO LET'S TAKE A, A FIVE MINUTE, UH, BREAK AT 9:29 AM WE ARE RECORDING.
IT IS, UH, 9:57 AM MY APOLOGIES FOR THE DELAY.
WE ARE BACK ONLINE AND WE'LL CONTINUE WITH THE BRIEFING.
I, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
UH, SO AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT THE AREA PLAN AND THE LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS HERE IN SOUTH DALLAS, UM, THE TWO BIG POINTS THAT THE PLAN STATES IS TO HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR NEW HOUSING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN SOUTH DALLAS.
THE OTHER ONE IS TO REVITALIZE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS AS MIXED USE CORRIDORS AND HAVE MIXED USE AREAS AROUND OUR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
THAT MIGHT SOUND A LITTLE SIMILAR TO THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE MIXED USE AREAS OF SOUTH DALLAS, SO A LOT OF SOUTH DALLAS, UM, UH, THE MAIN CORRIDORS OR COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS OR OLDER COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS, THERE ARE ZONE FOR, UM, SOLELY COMMERCIAL.
AGAIN, THIS WAS ADOPTED AS FORWARD DALLAS, BUT IN THE AREA PLAN IT'S, UM, CONSISTENT AS WELL.
UM, THE YELLOW ON THE MAP, AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THE BROWN ON THE MAP, UM, THOSE ARE GONNA BE MOST OF THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS.
UM, IF YOU GO TO THE RIGHT OR THE EAST OF THE BLUE, THAT'S FAIR PARK, THAT'S GONNA BE FITS YOU.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE SECOND AVENUE, LC FAYE, HIGGINS, MAR, UH, MARTIN LUTHER KING, MALCOLM X.
UM, THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT ARE DEFINED AS, UM, THE,
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UM, THE, THE LOW RISE MIX USE.UM, THE BRIGHT RED, THOSE ARE GONNA BE THE MID TO HIGH RISE MIX USE.
AND THE DARK RED IS GONNA BE THE, UH, MID TO HIGH-RISE MIX USE.
AGAIN, GOING OVER THE, UH, THE LOW-RISE AREAS IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.
THAT'S GONNA BE FITZ U THAT'S TO THE EAST OF, UH, FAROH PARK.
THAT'S SECOND AVENUE THAT'S COMING OFF OF FITZ U.
UM, THEN IT'S OIE FAYE HIGGINS.
IT'S GONNA COME DOWN, UM, THERE ON THE SOUTH.
UM, THEN WE HAVE, UM, UH, MALCOLM X AND THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF, UH, MARTIN LUTHER KING.
UM, AGAIN, THESE ARE ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL RIGHT NOW.
UH, THE AREA PLAN SAYS THAT THESE SHOULD BE, UM, CHANGED TO AREAS THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL OFFICE RETAIL, UM, AND MIXED USE OF, OF A LOW RISE.
THAT WOULD BE FOUR STORIES OR LESS.
THE LOW TO MID-RISE, THAT'S GONNA BE THE, UH, THE, THE BRIGHT RED AREAS.
THAT'S THE AREA IN THE EU FAR EAST.
THAT'S GONNA BE AROUND THE HATCHER STREET STATION.
UM, IN HATCHER STREET IS NOW OIE FAYE HIGGINS.
UM, IT'S ALSO JB JACKSON, THAT STREET THAT'S GONNA BE THE STREET THAT'S, UM, A COUPLE OF BLOCKS OFF OF FAIR PARK TO THE SOUTH OF IT.
AND THEN THE AREA THERE, THERE'S AN ORANGE AREA, THAT'S JEFFREY MYERS.
UM, THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, THE AREA AROUND JEFFREY MYERS THAT'S IN THE PD WOULD ALSO BE THAT, UM, COMMUNITY, UM, MIXED USE OR THAT LOW TO MID-RISE MIXED USE.
THE MID TO HIGH RISE, THAT'S GONNA BE THE STEP THAT'S CLOSEST TO FAIR PARK.
UM, THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, AROUND THE MLK STATION, ALONG ROBERT B CULLUM, WHICH IS THE STREET THAT FRONTS FAIR PARK.
AND THEN THE NORTHERN PART OF, UM, OF MLK.
UM, AGAIN, THAT'S GONNA BE THE AREA THAT'S KIND OF IN THE, THE, THE BURGUNDY OR THE, UM, THE, THE DARK RED.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS OF SOUTH DALLAS, UM, AND WE TALK ABOUT THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
SO THIS IS A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD OVER THE COURSE OF ABOUT FOUR YEARS.
UM, IN THE BEGINNING OF THE CONVERSATION, THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE, WE WANNA PRESERVE THE HOUSING IN, IN SOUTH DALLAS.
WE DON'T LIKE ALL OF THESE NEW HOUSES THAT ARE BEING, UH, THAT ARE BEING BUILT, UM, NEXT TO THE EXISTING HOUSING.
UM, AND AS WE CONTINUED THAT CONVERSATION, WHAT WE REALLY GOT TO WAS, UM, ONE, UH, TASK FORCE MEMBER TALKED ABOUT THE GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE HOUSING.
IT WASN'T NECESSARILY THAT ALL THE HOUSING THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT WAS THE ONES THAT WERE THE MOST EGREGIOUS.
AND WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, OKAY, IF THAT'S WHAT THE IDEA IS, WHAT ARE THE TOOLS TO GET THERE? TALKED ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION OVERLAY.
WE BROUGHT IN CONSERVATION DISTRICT STAFF AND HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF.
AND AS MS. JACKSON MENTIONED, QUEEN CITY, 100% JUMPED ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE WANNA BE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
BUT AS WE TALKED TO THE OTHER COMMUNITIES, THEY WERE APPREHENSIVE ABOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND EVEN THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT BECAUSE THERE WAS AN IDEA, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DO ONE BIG CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
BUT WHAT FOLKS IN SOUTH DALLAS TOLD US IS, WELL, NO, THAT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE THE HOUSES ON ROMINE AREN'T LIKE THE HOUSES ON PINE AND THE HOUSES ON PINE AREN'T, LIKE THE HOUSES ON PENNSYLVANIA AND THE HOUSE ON PENNSYLVANIA AREN'T THE ONES ON METROPOLITAN.
AND WELL, OKAY, WELL, COULD WE DO 13 DIFFERENT CONSERVATION DISTRICTS? OKAY, WELL, OKAY, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, THEN WE'RE STILL GONNA BE DOING CONSERVATION DISTRICTS IN 2035 BECAUSE OF JUST THAT WORKLOAD.
AND SO WHEN WE REALLY STARTED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE THOSE CONCEPTS, WHAT PREVENTS THE GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE HOUSING THAT GOES UP THERE, UM, WE GOT TO BASICALLY FIVE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS THAT FOLKS IN SOUTH DALLAS TALKED ABOUT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER.
AND I USE MY HAND TO TO TO TO, UM, TO REFERENCE THEM BECAUSE IT'S HOW I REMEMBER.
IT'S A PORCH IN THE FRONT, IT'S A GARAGE IN THE BACK.
IT'S MAXIMUM TWO STORIES OF HEIGHT, SOME TYPE OF A PITCHED ROOF, AND A SMALLER DRIVEWAY UP FRONT.
AND I KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW, SOME OF YOU, UM, CPC MEMBERS ARE SAYING, OKAY, WHAT DOES A GARAGE IN THE BACK MEAN? AND OKAY, WHAT IS A FRONT PORCH IS? AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE WIDTH AND WHAT'S THE DEATH AND WHAT'S THE PITCH ON THE ROOF? BUT BEFORE WE GET INTO THOSE DETAILS, AGAIN, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WITH THOSE FIVE CONCEPTS, WHAT'S THE GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE HOUSE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY? WE DON'T WANT THAT.
SO HERE ON THE SCREEN, WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT HOUSES.
ONE HAS A FRONT PORCH, HAS A PITCHED ROOF.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT MEETS THOSE STANDARDS THAT WE TALK ABOUT.
PORCH IN THE FRONT GARAGE IN THE BACK, TWO STORIES MAX PITCHED ROOF, THE ONE THERE ON THE RIGHT, THAT'S THE TYPE OF HOUSE THAT SOUTH DALLAS SAID.
THAT'S THE TYPE OF HOUSING WE DON'T WANT, RIGHT? THE GARAGE IS THAT FRONT.
THE FRONT YARD IS ALL DRIVEWAY.
THAT'S THE TYPE OF HOUSE THEY SAID.
THAT'S THE GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE ONES THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT NOT HAVING IN SOUTH DALLAS.
SO AGAIN, PORCH IN THE FRONT GARAGE IN THE BACK, MAXIMUM TWO STORIES.
SOME TYPE OF A PITCHED ROOF IN A SMALLER DRIVEWAY.
AND TO BE CLEAR, WHEN WE SAY GARAGE IN THE BACK, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ALLEY ACCESS SOUTH DALLAS.
THEY'RE NOT ALLEYS IN ALL OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
IN FACT, A NUMBER OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T HAVE ALLEY ACCESS.
SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ACCESS FROM THE BACK.
IT COULD BE IN THE FORM FROM ACCESS FROM THE BACK.
IT COULD BE ACCESS FROM THE SIDE.
IT COULD BE A DETACHED GARAGE THAT'S IN THE REAR, 30%.
IT COULD BE A, UM, ATTACHED GARAGE THAT'S THEN OFFSET FROM THE FRONT FACADE BY A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OR A CERTAIN LINEAR FEET.
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ABOUT WHAT THAT GARAGE ON THE BACK WOULD BE.YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY FIVE OR SIX DESIGN ELEMENTS OF A PORCH WITH DEATH.
UM, ELEVATION DIFFERENCE FROM THE GRADE.
IS IT COVERED? IS THERE A RAILING IT MOST LIKELY IN THE AUTHORIZED HEARING? THOSE ARE THOSE DETAILS THAT ARE GONNA FLUSH OUT TO SAY, OKAY, HERE ARE THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT, YOU HAVE TO HIT, YOU KNOW, FOUR OUT OF THE SIX DIFFERENT DETAILS.
UM, THE AUTHORIZED HEARING IS GONNA GET THROUGH SOME OF THOSE DETAILS.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THIS, UM, THE, EXCUSE ME, THE SOUTH DALLAS NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION ABOUT SOME OF THOSE DESIGN IDEAS AND, YOU KNOW, GETTING A LITTLE BIT IN FRONT OF THAT AUTHORIZED HEARING.
BUT TO BE CLEAR, THOSE DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE GONNA COME IN THE AUTHORIZED HEARING.
THE AREA PLAN SAYS THESE ARE THE FIVE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT.
SO WE HAD FURTHER CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS ABOUT WHAT THEY LIKE, WHAT THEY DON'T LIKE, AND WHAT THEY'RE KIND OF, WHAT WE WANTED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT.
AGAIN, WHAT THEY LIKE THE EXISTING HOUSING THAT'S OUT THERE, THE NEW HOUSING THAT LOOKS LIKE THE OLDER HOUSING, WHAT THEY DON'T LIKE, THE NEW HOMES THAT ARE GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE.
WHAT THEY DON'T LIKE WAS BIG APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INTERIOR OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
WHAT THEY SAID, WELL, LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS IS DUPLEXES AND ADUS.
'CAUSE THEY SAID THERE ARE PLENTY OF DUPLEXES IN ADUS ALREADY IN SOUTH DALLAS.
AND AS ONE, UH, TASK FORCE MEMBER PUT IT, A DUPLEX IS JUST A HOUSE WITH TWO FRONT DOORS.
BUT THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE EXISTING IN SOUTH DALLAS, THE ONES THAT WERE BUILT 50 YEARS AGO, 80 YEARS AGO, A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.
AND SO THEY SAID, IF YOU CAN MAKE THE NEW DUPLEXES LOOK LIKE THE DUPLEXES THAT ARE ALREADY OUT THERE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING.
IF WE CAN HAVE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS ABOUT IT, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD OR WE'RE LOOKING INTO.
SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DUPLEXES.
SO TO BE CLEAR, THE AREA PLAN DOES NOT RECOMMEND ALLOWING DUPLEXES IN ANY OF THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS.
IT DOES NOT RECOMMEND ALLOWING THOSE DUPLEXES BY RIGHT IN THE R FIVE, THE R 7.5, OR THERE'S AN R 3.8 SUBDISTRICT.
AND IF ANYONE SAYS, OH, IT'S GONNA DO THAT, NO, IT 100% DOES NOT MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A DUPLEX IN AN AREA RIGHT NOW IN SOUTH DALLAS, IT'S ZONED FOR A SINGLE FRAME THAT YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO APPLY TO CHANGE THE ZONING ON THAT AREA OR ON THAT PROPERTY TO BUILD A DUPLEX.
UM, AND I, I'M, I KNOW CPC, YOU'RE ALREADY GETTING THOSE REQUESTS ALMOST AT EVERY MEETING GETTING THOSE REQUESTS IN SOUTH DALLAS TO BUILD THOSE DUPLEXES.
SO WHAT THE AREA PLAN RECOMMENDS IS THAT THAT DUPLEX ZONING DISTRICT HAVE THE SAME DESIGN STANDARDS AS THE R DISTRICTS, THE THE SAME PORCH IN THE FRONT GARAGE IN THE BACK MAX TWO STORIES, SOME TYPE OF A PITCH ROOF IN A SMALLER DRIVEWAY.
AND SO IT GIVES THE OPTION THAT IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND SAYS, I'D LIKE TO BUILD A DUPLEX HERE, YOU STILL HAVE TO CHANGE THE ZONING, BUT IT GIVES A BASE ZONING DISTRICT IN THE PD THAT HAS THE SAME DESIGN STANDARDS AS THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OUT THAT ARE OUT THERE, UM, TO ADD IN.
SO IN THAT CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD ABOUT THE DUPLEXES, BECAUSE IN SOUTH DALLAS, WE HEARD THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD OPTION.
IT'S NOT AN EVERYWHERE OPTION.
WE DON'T WANT IT BY RIGHT? BUT IT'S AN OPTION THAT WE COULD PUT OUT THERE.
BUT THEY ALSO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, UM, OWNERSHIP BECAUSE IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS IN SOUTH DALLAS THAT AREN'T IN THE PD, THEY'RE BUILDING DUPLEXES, BUT THEY'RE ABLE TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY WHERE THEY'RE ABLE TO SELL THE LAND AND THE HOUSE THAT'S ON TOP OF IT, AS OPPOSED TO JUST HAVING IT BE A RENTAL OPTION.
SO WE HAVE THESE TWO, UH, WE HAVE THESE TWO DIAGRAMS THAT'S ON THE SCREEN.
THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS ONE LOT AND A DUPLEX LAND USE WHERE YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT UNITS ON IT.
THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS TECHNICALLY TWO LOTS.
IT'S STILL THE SAME STRUCTURE, BUT YOU'RE ABLE TO SUBDIVIDE THAT PROPERTY.
AND WHEN YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT, YOU'RE ABLE TO SELL BOTH THE LAND AND THE STRUCTURE TO SOMEONE.
AND SO WHEN WE TALK WITH SOUTH DALLAS IN PARTICULAR, UM, OUR, OUR CHAIR, UM, SCOTTY SMITH AND, AND THE FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER, DIANE RAGSDALE, THEY TALKED ABOUT, OKAY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN BECAUSE THAT PROMOTES HOME OWNERSHIP.
THAT'S A WAY FOR FAMILIES IN SOUTH DALLAS TO BUILD WEALTH, THAT YOU'RE NOT JUST BUILDING A DUPLEX THAT THEN YOU CAN THEN RENT, BUT YOU'RE BUILDING THE SAME STRUCTURE THAT YOU'RE THEN ABLE TO SELL TO TWO HOUSEHOLDS.
SO THE, THE AREA PLAN HAS THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT'S ANOTHER POSSIBILITY.
UM, NOT THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO BUY A, A, A PROPERTY, REZONE IT FOR A DUPLEX, AND THEN BUILD FOUR UNITS.
YOU'RE STILL BUILDING THE SAME STRUCTURE.
IT'S JUST YOU'RE ABLE TO SUBDIVIDE THAT STRUCTURE AND SELL BOTH THE LAND AND THE HOUSE FOR ADUS.
AGAIN, THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW THESE, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A GRANDDADDY'S HOUSE.
UM, AND THEY'RE OUT THERE ALREADY IN SOUTH DALLAS, AND SOME OF THEM WERE PERMITTED AND SOME OF THEM WEREN'T PERMITTED.
AND IN SOUTH DALLAS, THEY SAID, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN HAVING.
WE JUST WANT THEM TO HAVE THE SAME DESIGN STANDARDS, UM, THAT THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES WOULD HAVE.
AND THAT THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE IN 51 A TO SAY, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE WANT.
WE DON'T WANNA HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO BUILD THESE.
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THAT WE CAN DO TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE HOUSING THAT'S GOING ON TO ALLOW THESE.UM, AND SO THE AREA PLAN RECOMMENDS ALLOWING THESE BY RIGHT SUBJECT TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WOULD BE IN EACH ONE OF THOSE.
UM, THE R UM FIVE, THE R SEVEN FIVE, AND THE R 3.8, UM, ZONING DISTRICTS, WHICH AGAIN, PORCH IN THE FRONT GARAGE IN THE BACK.
TWO STORIES, THE HEIGHT, UM, UH, SOME TYPE OF PITCHED ROOF, SMALLER DRIVEWAY.
AND THEN 51 A HAS SOME DESIGN STANDARDS ABOUT WHAT AN ACCESSORY DRILLING UNIT IS.
SO THERE WERE A COUPLE OTHER LAND USES, UM, THAT THE PLAN MAKES, UH, MAKES, UH, CHANGES TOO.
UM, AGAIN, WHEN YOU GET THE PLAN, YOU CAN GO OVER THEM.
IT TALKS ABOUT HOW YOU SHOULD ALLOW CATERING.
RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TO GET AN SEP TO BE A CATERER IN SOUTH DALLAS.
UM, RIGHT NOW YOU CAN'T DO A RESTAURANT WHERE ALL YOUR FOOD IS TO GO.
MASSAGES AREN'T ALLOWED, BUT WE WOULD ALLOW THEM AS AN ACCESSORY USE IF YOU'RE DOING A NAIL SALON OR PERSONAL SERVICE.
RIGHT NOW, TOBACCO STORES ARE NOT ALLOWED.
AND IT'S MOVING THAT THE, THE VAPE SHOPS INTO THAT TOBACCO LAND USE.
UM, WE WOULD BE KEEPING CONVENIENCE STORES AS AN SUP BECAUSE THERE'S STILL THAT CONCERN.
UM, THE OTHER ONE TO BRING UP IS PARKING.
UM, SO THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TIME AND TIME AGAIN BY OUR BUSINESS OWNERS AND OUR PROPERTY OWNERS IN SOUTH DALLAS, THAT THAT WAS A DETRIMENT TO THEM BEING ABLE TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTIES.
UM, AND THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS WERE FRUSTRATED THAT THEY, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THOSE RESTAURANTS THAT RETAIL, THAT PERSONAL SERVICE TO GO TO IN SOUTH DALLAS A LOT OF TIMES BECAUSE THOSE LOCAL BUSINESSES COULDN'T OPEN UP.
SO I KNOW CPC AND COUNCIL IS LOOKING AT PARKING RIGHT NOW.
UM, IF IT'S ADDRESSED THROUGH CPC AND COUNCIL, THEN THE AREA PLAN WOULDN'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE ANYTHING IF IT'S NOT ADDRESSED THROUGH COUNCIL, UM, OR THROUGH CPC AND COUNCIL.
THEN THE AREA PLAN RIGHT NOW, IT CALLS FOR A REDUCTION OR REMOVAL OF THE LOCATION AND THE AMOUNT OF THE PARK PARKING MANDATE.
UM, AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD GET A LITTLE BIT MORE FLESHED OUT IN THE AUTHORIZED HEARING ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY THAT MEANS.
UM, BUT TO BE CLEAR, IT SAYS THAT RIGHT NOW THE, THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE PARKING IS TOO HIGH.
AND THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL PROVISION IN THE PD THAT SAYS NO PARKING CAN BE ANYWHERE IN THE FRONT, THE, THE FRONT, UM, 30 FEET.
SO IT'S REMOVING THAT 30 FEET AND THEN EITHER REMOVING THE MANDATE OR LOOKING AT REDUCING THAT MANDATE FOR PARKING.
SO THE NEXT STEPS, AGAIN, UH, WE'LL HAVE A DRAFT OF THE PLAN, UM, TO Y'ALL.
CPC ALSO POSTED ONLINE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, MOVING FORWARD, WE WOULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AT CPC BASED UPON THAT PUBLIC HEARING, THE INPUT FROM CPC, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION AT THAT TIME OR AT A LATER MEETING.
UM, EVENTUALLY WE WOULD HAVE COUNCIL ACTION.
AND THEN ONCE COUNCIL HAS TAKEN ACTION, WE WOULD DO THE AUTHORIZED HEARING, WHICH IS THAT PROCESS.
WE WOULD BE COMING BACK TO YOU SAYING, OKAY, WHAT DO WE MEAN WHEN WE SAID PORCH? IS IT EIGHT FEET DEEP? IS IT SIX FEET DEEP? IS IT HALF OF THE FACADE? IS IT 10 FEET WIDE? WE WOULD HAVE THOSE DETAILS AT THAT POINT.
UM, AND WITH THAT, UM, MYSELF AND MS. JACKSON WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, ER, PLEASE.
UM, I KNOW THAT I POSED THE QUESTION IS, UM, COULD YOU ANSWER, UM, WHAT WAS THE KIND OF FEEDBACK ON THE QUESTION THAT WE ASKED? UM, WHAT DO YOU LEAVE SOUTH DALLAS FOR ON SATURDAY MORNINGS? SO IT WAS A LOT OF, I'M, I'M, I'M LEAVING SOUTH.
'CAUSE THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT OUR, UM, THAT WE ASKED OF YOU.
IF YOU LIVE IN SOUTH DALLAS, BUT YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED SATURDAY MORNING? WHERE ARE YOU GOING? UM, IT WAS A LOT OF, I'M, I'M GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE TO EAT.
I'M GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GET GROCERIES.
I'M GOING, GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GET MY HAIR DONE, TO GET MY NAILS DONE.
I'M GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE TO WORK OUT.
UM, IT WAS ALL, A LOT OF THAT RETAIL RESTAURANT AND PERSONAL SERVICE USE, UM, THAT WEREN'T, THAT WOULD, THAT IS NOT AMPLE IN SOUTH DALLAS.
AND WAS THAT BECAUSE OF SOME, UM, A GOOD MAJORITY OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE VACANT IS NOT NECESSARILY BY CHOICE.
IT'S BECAUSE OF THE HINDERING AND ZONING, ESPECIALLY RELATED TO THE PARKING.
THAT IS A HURDLE FOR MANY OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS WHO TRIED TO OPEN UP IN SOUTH DALLAS, IS THEY COULDN'T MEET THE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS, UM, NAMELY THE PARKING, UH, REQUIREMENT TO OPEN UP THEIR BUSINESS THERE.
UM, COULD YOU, UM, AS FAR AS, AS IT, AS IT GOING, AS THIS IS LEADING TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE A GREAT AMOUNT OF WORK THAT, UH, OR IF, UH, IN OTHER DISTRICTS WHEN THEY'RE PREPARING FOR PUBLIC HEARING, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO ANOTHER FIVE YEARS, BUT YOU ALL HAVE DONE A GOOD AMOUNT OF THAT FOUNDATION WORK, UM, WITH THE COMMUNITY? UH, I WOULD SAY THE COMMUNITY IS PROBABLY BETTER SUITED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
UM, FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY ACTIVE IN SOUTH DALLAS.
COMMISSIONER HALL, IN THE, UM, HIGH RISE ZONE, IS
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THERE A MAX HEIGHT FOR, FOR THE HIGH RISES? SO IN THE AUTHORIZED HEARING, WE DEAL WITH THE MAX HEIGHT.UM, WHEN WE TALK TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS OUT THERE, UM, THEY'RE NOT REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT A MAXIMUM HEIGHT BECAUSE, UM, THEY'VE, THEY'VE TOLD US, AT LEAST FOR THE HERE AND NOW THAT THAT EIGHT AND 10 AND 12 STORIES THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT ANYTHING HIGHER THAN THAT.
UM, BUT WE CAN GET INTO WHAT A HYPOTHETICAL MAX HEIGHT WOULD BE IN THE AUTHORIZED HEARING AND THEN CODIFY WHAT THAT HEIGHT WOULD BE.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT LIKELY YOU WOULD HAVE BUILDINGS LIKE YOU DO IN THE CENTRAL DOWNTOWN DISTRICT.
SO, UH, I MEAN, A AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE.
THE DEVELOPERS THAT WE TALKED TO SAID, NO, THEY DON'T THINK 40 STORIES IS SOMETHING THAT'S APPROPRIATE HERE.
OR THAT THEY COULD GET FUNDING FOR.
UM, BUT I WILL ALSO POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE FREEWAY IN DEEP L HEIGHTS HAVE GOTTEN BIGGER THAN THEY, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
AND SO IT'S SOMETHING TO DEFINITELY BE COGNIZANT OF.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE TASK FORCE LOOKED AT WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HEIGHT WAS, UM, MAKING IT AT ROBERT B COLUMN ACROSS FROM FAIR PARK TO SAY, THAT'S WHERE WE CAN GO REALLY TALL.
BUT THEN SAYING, NO, NO, NO, NO, A COUPLE OF BLOCKS IN THAT SHOULD BE LOWER MID-RISE TO SAY YES, THERE MIGHT BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOME, SOME PRETTY TALL BUILDINGS, BUT NOT MANY OF THEM.
I WAS INTRIGUED BY THE DIAGRAM WHERE YOU SPLIT A DUPLEX IN HALF AND YOU SOLD ONE SIDE, TWO DIFFERENT PROPERTIES.
IS THAT BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS ALREADY BUILT ACROSS THE PROPERTY LINE, OR, UH, WOULD YOU HAVE TO RE REPL A PROPERTY TO SPLIT THAT HOUSE IN HALF? SO THAT, THAT CAME FROM, SO AGAIN, UM, IN THE JEFFREY MYERS AREA, UM, WE HAVE BUILDERS WHO ARE BUILDING THE DIAGRAM ON THE RIGHT, WHICH IS, THEY'VE GOT, THEY TOOK A PROPERTY, THEY REPLANTED IT FOR TWO LOTS, AND THEY BUILT A STRUCTURE THAT IS CONNECTED IN THE MIDDLE THAT LOOKS LIKE A DUPLEX WALKING ON THE STREET.
YOU, AND I WOULD SAY IT'S A DUPLEX, BUT TECHNICALLY THEY'VE SUBDIVIDED THE LAND AND NOW THEY CAN SELL THE LAND AND THE HOUSE.
SO IT WOULD BE MORE OF A CASE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION OF PEOPLE SAYING, WE WANT TO CREATE A HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY.
'CAUSE WE ALSO HEARD THAT FROM THE NON-PROFIT, YOU KNOW, THE HABITAT AND THE CHODOS THAT ARE OUT THERE TO SAY, YEAH, IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD DO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT DOUBLES OUR OUTPUT ON THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS AND THE NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOUSEHOLDS TO BUILD THAT WEALTH.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW YOU, YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN SOUTH DALLAS.
SO IT'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT IN THAT DUPLEX ZONING DISTRICT, YOU CREATE THAT OPTION.
YEAH, I, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT.
IT'S JUST SEEM, IT'S INTERESTING CONCEPT.
UH, DO OUR CODE CITY CODES, DESIGN STANDARDS, ET CETERA, ALLOW SOMETHING BASICALLY TWO HOUSES THAT ARE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
BUT THAT THERE IS A WAY TO WRITE, OUR BUILDING CODE DOESN'T PROHIBIT THAT INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE DOESN'T PROHIBIT THAT IT IS JUST OUR ZONING OR DEVELOPMENT CODE.
AND SO IT'S JUST CREATING THAT OPTION IN THE PD TO SAY, HERE'S A DISTRICT THAT COULD ALLOW THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER FORESITE? THE, UH, COULD YOU SHOW THE MAP OF THE, THE, THE, THE, THE AREA PLEASE? IS, IS, IS THIS WHOLE AREA AND THE PD 5 95? UM, IT IS NOT.
THERE ARE SOME AREAS, 'CAUSE THIS IS, UH, THE, THE SERVICE DISTRICT MAP.
UM, THERE ARE SOME AREAS ON THIS MAP THAT ARE NOT IN THE PD.
UM, THIS AREA PLAN PROVIDES, EXCUSE ME, GUIDANCE FOR THE ENTIRE AREA, BUT IT MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT CHANGING PACIFIC AREAS IN THE PD.
AND WE CAN GET YOU A MAP OF THE, THE PD OUTLINES.
IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO TO SEE BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALWAYS CONTINUOUS.
IT, IT, IT'S KIND OF LOOKING, IT, IT'S, WE CAN GET YOU THAT MAP.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO, TO LOOK AT AND TO UNDERSTAND FROM A CONCEPT IS, IS IT 80% OR 90% OF THIS AREA? IT'S, SO IS IT FULLY CONTIGUOUS WITHIN THIS AREA TOO? RIGHT.
SO IF IT DOESN'T INCLUDE, SO THE, THE BIG GREEN AREA, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THAT, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE BLUE AREA THAT'S GONNA BE FAIR PARK, BUT BASICALLY THE MAJORITY, 90% OF THE AREA THAT IS TO THE WEST OF THE BLUE AND IS TO THE SOUTH, SORRY, IS TO THE WEST OF THE GREEN AND THE SOUTH OF THE BLUE.
THERE ARE SOME CARVE OUTS THOUGH.
AND ARE THESE DESIGN STANDARD CHANGES THAT YOU'VE ADDRESSED IN YOUR POWERPOINT PRESENTATION? ARE THEY TO, UH, TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PD 5 95? YES, THEY WOULD BE THERE.
THE AREA PLAN MAKES THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE AREA PLAN DOESN'T, WHEN THE AREA PLAN
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IS APPROVED, IT'S APPROVED WITH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.A NEW HOUSE DOESN'T HAVE TO COMPLY, BUT THEN THE ZONING WOULD BE CHANGED.
AND IN THE NEW ZONING, WHEN YOU SUBMIT YOUR BUILDING PLAN, IT WOULD SAY, HERE ARE THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS.
SO JUST LIKE THERE'S A SETBACK RIGHT NOW IN, IN THE PD IT WOULD SAY, HERE'S A SETBACK AND HERE'S A STANDARD FOR THE, THE GARAGE OR THE FRONT PORCH OR THOSE THINGS.
IT WOULD HAVE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU WOULD THEN HAVE TO COMPLY WITH IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A NEW HOUSE IN SOUTH DALLAS.
BUT THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS APPLY TO THE PD 5 95, NOT TO THE WHOLE AREA? THAT'S CORRECT.
I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON ONE QUESTION THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER HALL HAD ASKED EARLIER ABOUT THE, UM, DESIGNATION OF QUEEN CITY, WHICH IS UNDERWAY.
ARE THERE OTHER NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT ARE WITHIN THE STUDY AREA BOUNDARIES THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN CONSIDERING FORMALIZING WITHIN THE CITY PROCESS? SO IN THE STUDY AREA, THERE ARE HIS, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT ALREADY HAVE THAT DESIGNATION.
UH, WHEATLEY PLACE, UM, SOUTH BOULEVARD PARK ROW.
UM, THERE, THERE ARE NOT OTHER AREAS IN THE STUDY AREA THAT DO NOT ALREADY HAVE A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THAT ARE NOT QUEEN CITY, THAT EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO DO A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND SO, BUT THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE OTHER, BECAUSE THERE, I BELIEVE THERE'S TWO OTHER, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION IF IT WAS ANYTHING MM-HMM
THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS AWARE THAT THEY HAD THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE.
YES, WE DID HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES ABOUT THAT POSSIBILITY.
AND, UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, THEY DID NOT EXPRESS A DESIRE TO DO THAT, TO DO THAT CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
UM, WE CONNECTED THEM WITH CITY STAFF TO TO, TO EXPLORE THAT OPTION.
UM, BUT THEY, UM, AT THIS POINT THEY HAVE NOT CHOSEN TO DO THAT.
COMMISSIONER, ER SECOND ROUND PLEASE.
UM, WOULD YOU SAY THAT COLONIAL HILLS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THOSE DISTRICT THAT IS, UH, UH, OPEN TO THAT, UM, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF S AND WRIGHT BOULEVARD, UH, FROM QUEEN CITY FOR THAT DESIGNATION? IT, YES.
AND SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH COLONIAL HILLS ABOUT THAT POSSIBILITY.
AND AGAIN, IF MOVING FORWARD THEY DECIDE TO PIVOT, UM, WE CAN MAKE CHANGES TO THE AREA PLAN TO SAY YES, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO DO THAT.
UM, WHAT I WOULD ALSO SAY IS, UM, BECAUSE THE RECOMMENDATIONS RIGHT NOW FOR THE AUTHORIZED HEARING WOULD BE TO REMOVE QUEEN CITY FROM THE PD IF IN DOING THE AUTHORIZED HEARING COLONIAL HILLS DECIDES THAT THEY ALSO WANT TO DO THAT OPTION AND THEY DON'T WANT THE DESIGN STANDARDS, THEY WANNA DO A HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE CAN WORK WITH THEM IN THE AUTHORIZED HEARING TO, TO DO A SIMILAR PROCESS TO QUEEN CITY.
UM, COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT THERE ARE ADDITIONAL PDS THAT ARE INSIDE OF PD 5 95 WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF PD 5 95 THAT WERE SET ASIDE FOR? UM, BECAUSE CERTAIN BUSINESSES, HISTORICAL BUSINESSES, UH, WOULD NOT MEET THE STANDARDS OF PD 5 95 AND WOULD ESSENTIALLY CLOSE, UM, ESPECIALLY ALONG THAT SECOND AVENUE CORRIDOR AND BEAR STREET.
YES, THERE'S AREAS IN THE STUDY AREA THAT ARE NOT IN, UH, TECHNICALLY NOT IN THE, IN PD 5 95, HAVE THEIR OWN PED, UM, TO ADDRESS CERTAIN ISSUES.
THAT INCLUDES BAYER STREET, THAT INCLUDES THAT AREA SECOND AVENUE, UM, THAT'S FURTHER SOUTH OR SOUTHEAST.
UM, AGAIN, THERE ARE SIMILAR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THOSE AREAS, UM, TO SAY THAT IF A PRIVATE ZONING CHANGE COMES UP, YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE AREA PLAN.
BUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN PD 5 95, THERE'S NOT A DIRECT RECOMMENDATION THAT WE CHANGE THE ZONING IN THOSE OTHER PDS, UM, TO, TO MAKE THEM MIX USE SPECIFICALLY.
UM, ALSO COULD YOU EXPLAIN LIKE THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE, UH, SUCH AS THAT, THAT ARE LONGER, UM, CORRIDORS, PRETTY MUCH BUSINESS CORRIDORS, BUT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT, UM, SUCH AS MALCOLM X, SECOND AVENUE, LC, FAYE HIGGINS, HOW THOSE CORRIDORS WE HAD TO ADDRESS AND LOOK AT EACH CORRIDOR SEPARATELY, UM, TO APPLY ZONING IN SECTIONS, I MEAN RECOMMENDATIONS IN SECTIONS INSTEAD OF JUST A FULL CORRIDOR BASED OFF OF THE FLOOR TRAFFIC.
AND SO WHAT COMMUNITY, WHAT THE AREA PLAN RECOMMENDS IS THAT THOSE CORRIDORS BECOME MIXED USE AND THAT WE CHANGE THE ZONING.
AND SO IF THERE, 'CAUSE THERE ARE AREAS ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE COMMERCIAL ZONING, THEY JUST HAVE, UM, RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
AND SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS ISN'T NECESSARY TO CHANGE THAT ZONING, BUT IT'S TO CHANGE THE COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY THAT ARE ON THOSE CORRIDORS.
AND SO IF YOU GO DOWN LC FAY OR IF YOU'RE ON, UM, AT MALCOLM
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X, THERE ARE POCKETS WHERE IT'S JUST HOUSING.IT'S JUST SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING.
AND THE RECOMMENDATION ISN'T TO CHANGE THAT, BUT IT'S TO CHANGE THOSE AREAS THAT ALREADY HAVE THE COMMERCIAL ZONING ON IT TO MAKE THOSE THE MIXED USE AREAS.
UM,
YEAH, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THE TASK FORCE BROUGHT UP WAS EXACTLY THAT POINT, UM, THAT THERE WAS, UM, KIND OF SOMETIMES A LACK OF, UM, COORDINATION BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
AND SO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS TO CREATE EITHER A FORMAL OR INFORMAL GROUP THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON ISSUES IN SOUTH DALLAS AS A WHOLE.
UM, THE TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS, UM, THAT STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED, UM, SINCE THE AREA PLANNING PROCESS STARTED IS THE SOUTH DALLAS NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION, UM, WHICH MEETS QUARTERLY AND THEN THE POINT SOUTH REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE, WHICH MEETS MONTHLY.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION IS MORE A COALITION OF THE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE POINT SOUTH GROUP IS MORE OF BUSINESS OWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, WE MEET WITH BOTH OF THOSE GROUPS AND I WOULD POINT OUT THAT BOTH THOSE GROUPS, UM, VERY MUCH SO, UM, HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WALKING HAND IN HAND THAT YOU ARE PRESERVING THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS WHILE ALLOWING FOR MORE DEVELOPMENTAL ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT BOTH OF THOSE GROUPS HAVE SAID THEY ARE INTERESTED IN.
UM, AND THAT AS ZONING CASES COME UP AS HOUSING WANTS TO HAVE MEETINGS, AS TRANSPORTATION COMES UP TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, THOSE ARE THE GROUPS WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY CALL LINDSAY OR PATRICK PATRICK UP AND SAY, WE WANT TO TALK TO SOUTH DALLAS.
WE SAY, OKAY, GO TALK WITH THESE TWO GROUPS.
LET'S GET YOU SET UP TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH BOTH OF THEM.
I KNOW THAT A LOT OF CONCERN IS AROUND HOUSING, HOW THIS, BY THIS AREA OF PLANNED TASK FORCE NOT BEING CLOSED OUT CURRENTLY, HOW WE'VE ALSO BEEN HAD TO ADDRESS, UM, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ON HOUSING THAT MIGHT NOT BE CONFORMING.
UM, BUT BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE STREET MEETS, UM, IS HAVE SETBACKS THAT THAT, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION SHOULDN'T BE TO TEAR DOWN A HOUSE TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE WHOLE STREET AS A WHOLE, PREFERABLY PINE STREET.
SO THERE ARE, UM, SOME STREETS IN SOUTH DALLAS THAT, UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE ON THOSE PROPERTIES ARE NON-CONFORMING.
THEY BASICALLY DON'T MEET SETBACKS.
THEY'RE TOO CLOSE TO THE STREET FOR THE, THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICTS.
UM, AND WHEN WE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IF WE CHANGE THOSE SETBACKS, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT HOUSE? BECAUSE CHANGING THOSE SETBACKS MIGHT MEAN THAT THEN SOMEBODY CAN COME IN AND SAY, I'M GONNA KNOCK DOWN THAT OLDER HOUSE AND I'M GONNA BUILD A VERY NEW HOUSE VERY CLOSE TO THAT STREET.
AND SO IN, SORRY, AREA PLAN TALKS ABOUT HOW WE CAN AGAIN, CREATE THOSE NEW DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THOSE DIFFERENT HOUSES, BUT THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING DESIGN STANDARDS ON CERTAIN STREETS THAT WOULD LEAD TO MORE DISPLACEMENT BECAUSE OF THOSE OLDER STRUCTURES BEING REMOVED BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE CHANGING SOME OF THOSE SETBACKS TO BE MORE ACCOMMODATING FOR, FOR NEW HOUSES.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE NEED TO PICK UP THE PACE A LITTLE BIT.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT AND, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, TAKE US HOME.
UH, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A QUESTION JUST TO COMMENT THAT, UM, THE DESIGN STANDARDS, I THINK, UM, ARE THE SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA NEED.
WELL, ONE, I THINK THEY'RE VERY APPROPRIATE.
TWO, I THINK WE WILL NEED CONSIDERATION OF THAT KIND OF DESIGN STANDARD REALLY ALL OVER THE CITY SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
UH, WHEN WE, WE GET SO MANY CONCERNS FROM RESIDENTS COMING DOWN HERE IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE THIS, UH, REDEVELOPMENT, UM, MOMENTUM GOING ON IN THEM.
AND IT'S GENERALLY THE SAME COMMENTS ABOUT THE BIG DUPLEXES AND THE FLAT ROOFS AND THE BIG GARAGES.
AND SO, UM, I, UM, I CAN SUPPORT THE KIND OF THINGS YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT THERE AND THERE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
AND JUST ONE FOLLOW UP, AS YOU ALL ARE TALKING WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT, UM, CONSIDERATION OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND DESIGNATIONS, I NOTED THAT WHEATLEY PLACE, WHILE A DESIGNATED DISTRICT VARIES FROM THEIR NATIONAL REGISTER BOUNDARIES, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY OR THAT THE, UH, RESIDENTS WANTED TO CONSIDER.
AND I CAN'T FIND THE DESIGNATION AREA FOR QUEEN CITY TO CONFIRM ANY VARIANCE, BUT THERE'S AN ADJACENT, AND I WILL APOLOGIZE, I'M PROBABLY GONNA MISPRONOUNCE THE NAME.
ROMINE AVENUE IS ALSO A DESIGNATED, UH, NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT MAY OR MAY NOT WANNA CONSIDER THAT AS
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YOU ALL ARE ALSO TALKING TO COLONIAL HILL.SO JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT AND HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH COMMISSIONER WHEELER OFFLINE.
SO, SO, UH, I THINK IT'S, TO COMMENT ON IT, SO THE MAJORITY OF, I MEAN, QUEEN CITY FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, IT BEING, BEING A HISTORICAL DISTRICT, IT ALSO, UM, SOME KIND OF WAY IT NEVER MADE TO THE CITY AND WE DON'T KNOW WHY.
UM, BUT R MINE IS DEFINITELY BECAUSE OF THE HISTORICAL PROPERTIES, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN BECAUSE OF THE NATIONAL, IT HAS BEEN ALTERED SOME AND THAT'S WHY YEAH, R MINE IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE, IT HAS THE OLDER BUILDINGS.
UM, AND I GUESS I'D MAKE A COMMENT.
I I I, I'VE NEVER BEEN MORE PLEASED WITH CITY STAFF, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THESE TWO YOUNG PEOPLE RIGHT HERE WORKING, UM, DILIGENTLY AND NOT JUST WORKING AS SAYING, THIS IS MY JOB, BUT ACTUALLY PUTTING, PUTTING, GETTING TOGETHER WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF CITY STAFF AND SAYING, HEY, THIS IS WHO YOU GO TO, THIS IS, AND IT'S BEEN FLOW AND THEY HELP US FLOW SO WELL WITH OTHER ISSUES THAT REALLY ADDRESS IN REAL TIME BEFORE THIS MAKES IT TO, UM, THE AUTHORIZED HEARING.
BUT THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING THINGS IN REAL TIME THAT WE WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO ADDRESS IN THE PAST WITHOUT THE HELP OF THIS PUD STAFF.
AND, AND ESPECIALLY TALKING WITH UH, COM, UM, DIRECTOR LOU AND SAYING, HEY, HOW DO WE DO GET DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE MAJORITY OF DALLAS AND HOW DO WE DO GO ABOUT DOING THAT? SO I HAVE BEEN VERY PLEASED, I CALL THEM REGULARLY ABOUT, HEY, THIS IS SOMETHING NEW.
AND SO WHERE OTHER, THE OTHER 13 TASK FORCE CLOSED OUT EARLY, UM, WE HAVE, WE'VE BEEN OPEN FOR FIVE YEARS BECAUSE WE KEEP ADDRESSING NEW ISSUES AND, AND SO THANK THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING, WE ARE NEAR THE END AND WE'RE READY.
JENNIFER CAN OH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT PLEASE, SIR? YES.
I KNOW WE'RE PUSHING FOR TIME.
I JUST, UM, AGAIN, UM, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
QUEEN CITY, UM, I KNOW IS KIND OF BROKEN UP IN THE SECTIONS.
UM, FOR INSTANCE WHERE JUANITA CRAFT HOUSES IS QUEEN CITY, A BLOCK AWAY I THINK ISN'T IN THE DESIGNATION.
HAS THE DESIGNATION BEEN EXPANDED TO OTHER HOUSES WHO HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THE SAME TIME PERIOD OR IS IT STILL THE SAME? UM, UM, HISTORIC DESIGNATION AS BEFORE, SO ARE HISTORIC STAFF IS WORKING ON THE BOUNDARIES OF, OF QUEEN CITY AND SERVING NOT JUST QUEEN CITY, BUT COLONIAL HILLS AND THE SURROUNDING AREA.
UH, AND BASED UPON THAT WORK AND THEN WHAT QUEEN CITY THAN COMMUNITY, UH, COMES TOGETHER TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH, THEY WOULD BE DEFINING THEIR BOUNDARIES, WHICH MAY BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICT ARE.
SO IF THEY WANT TO INCLUDE CERTAIN AREAS OR NOT INCLUDE CERTAIN AREAS, THEY CAN DO THAT.
AND, UH, MR. BLAZE AND MS. JACKSON, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE BRIEFING.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA JUST KEEP GOING RIGHT INTO THE DOCKET.
WE HAVE OUR, UH, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS NOW CONSISTENT OF CASES TWO THROUGH 12 CASES SEVEN AND 11 AT THIS POINT HAVE COME OFF.
CONSENT SEVEN AND 11 HAVE COME OFF AND 10.
SEVEN, 11 AND 10 HAVE COME OFF AND, AND 12 7 11.
SO WE HAVE, UM, 7, 10, 11, AND 12 HAVE COME OFF CONSENT AT THIS POINT.
UH, THREE THREE HAS COME OFF CONSENT AS WELL TOO.
SO WE HAVE 3, 7, 10, 11, 12, SORRY, 16.
IF IT'S ON CONSENT, CAN YOU PULL IT? IT'S NOT ON CONSENT.
SO WE'LL BEGIN WITH CASE NUMBER TWO.
UH, THIS ONE WE WILL BRIEF ONLY AT REQUEST AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER IS OKAY, NOW SEVEN CAN COME BACK ON.
SO SEVEN HAS, WE WILL KEEP THAT ONE ON CONSENT.
UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON NUMBER TWO BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY.
HOW ABOUT, UH, THREE HAS COME OFF CONSENT, SO LET'S BRIEF THAT ONE.
WE'RE GONNA KEEP THREE OFF CONSENT, RIGHT? COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND BRIEF THAT ONE THEN.
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NUMBER THREE ON YOUR AGENDA.2 3 4 DASH ONE ONE OVER ON SOUTH BUCKNER.
IT'S A REQUEST FOR RENEWAL, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2269 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A CONVENIENCE STORE, 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS.
UH, IT'S AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTH BUCKNER AND 48 ROAD.
IT'S A LITTLE OVER A HALF ACRE OF LAND, UH, DEVELOPED WITH A CONVENIENCE STORE THAT'S A LITTLE OVER 3000 SQUARE FEET.
UH, IT IS IN THE LI THAT'S THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
UH, IT DOES HAVE A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY.
THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRING THE SUP.
UM, SO OVER TOWARDS THE EASTERN PORTIONS OF THE CITY, YOU CAN SEE IT'S RELATIONSHIP THERE TO BUCKNER AND FORNEY.
UH, LOOKING AT SURROUNDING USES OFFICES, SOME UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES.
UH, THE ALLIED DISTRICT, UH, TO THE NORTH, UH, SOUTH AND EAST WITH A, UH, MULTIPLE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO THE WEST ACROSS SOUTH BUCKNER.
UH, DURING THE SITE VISIT, UH, TAKING A LOOK, THIS IS SOUTH, HEADING SOUTHBOUND ON, UH, SOUTH BUCKNER.
UH, TAKING A LOOK BACK AT THE SITE, UH, TAKING A LOOK ON THE SITE.
AND THIS IS ACTUALLY A, A STREET GOOGLE STREET VIEW.
APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T GET A SITE, A PHOTO FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SITE, SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT FOR REFERENCE IF WE NEED IT.
UH, NO CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, UH, WHAT THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING.
APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, UH, WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.
UH, LET'S GO TO CASE NUMBER FOUR.
UH, THAT IS STAYING ON CONSENT.
I DON'T NEED IT BRIEFED UNLESS SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT OR HAS ANY QUESTIONS ON IT.
TAKES US TO CASE NUMBER FIVE, CHAIR A SECOND.
COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, YOU, YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE THIS ONE BRIEF, SIR? OR NO, SIR? NO.
ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS ON NUMBER FIVE OR WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST TO BRIEF IT, SIR? YES, SIR.
COMMISSIONER HALL ON THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD WAS I, I DIDN'T SEE HOW MANY YEARS OF CRIME STATISTICS WERE IN THERE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FOR THE QUESTION.
I USUALLY REQUEST FOR THE SAME TIME PERIOD BACK OR FROM THE PREVIOUS, UM, RENEWAL.
THAT'S USUALLY THE TIMEFRAME THAT I REQUEST FROM OUR FOLKS OVER AT POLICE, IS THAT, OH, I'M, MAYBE I WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION, BUT, OKAY.
BUT HOW MANY YEARS WAS THAT? UH, THAT WOULD BE, I BELIEVE FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.
A QUICK QUESTION, CHERYL, ON THAT ONE.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT? UM, YES.
IS THE APPLICANT PLANNING ANY, UM, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE, TO THEIR SITE, UM, OR THEIR SECURITY PLANS? IS IS A HIGH CRIME AREA, RIGHT? DO YOU KNOW ANY OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THEIR APPEARANCE, CLEANING UP THE PLACE, ANY OF THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN, ANY OF IT? I'M UNAWARE OF THAT.
UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, IF YOU'D WANT TO ASK THE APPLICANTS ANY QUESTIONS, WE CAN TAKE IT OFF.
UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS.
SO LET'S TAKE NUMBER FIVE OFF, TAKE OFF CONSENT.
LET'S CIRCLE BACK ON NUMBER SIX, IT TAKES US TO, AND SEVEN NUMBER EIGHT.
MR. FRANKLIN, WOULD YOU LIKE THAT ONE BRIEFED? NO, WE CAN KEEP THIS ON CONSENT.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OR REQUEST A BRIEF NUMBER EIGHT? NUMBER EIGHT.
COMMISSIONER FORSET, WOULD YOU LIKE THAT ONE BRIEFED, SIR? NO, UH, YOU CAN KEEP THIS ON CONSENT.
ANY QUESTIONS OR REQUEST A BRIEF? YES.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT? I GUESS THIS WOULD BE FOR MR. CLINTON, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T SEE HIM.
UM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS APPLICANT IS SUBJECT TO THE RESIDENTIAL BUFFER ZONE.
I MEAN, IT'S RESIDENTIAL NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL, SO THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I CLEARLY DON'T UNDERSTAND.
UH, BUT THE, THE APPLICANT SEEMS TO BE BURDENED WITH THIS WHEN THEY'RE, THEY'VE GOT A, AN UNUSUALLY SMALL LOT AND THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO OTHER RESIDENTIALS.
SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHY WE'RE ASKING THEM TO CREATE THIS BUFFER ZONE? YES.
SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY, UH, A TYPO ON STAFF'S PART, SO THAT'S
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NOT REQUIRED.I I CAN ADD THAT I ASKED THAT QUESTION OF, UH, MR. IRWIN YESTERDAY, AND HE CONFIRMED THAT IT'S NOT REQUIRED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, WOULD YOU LIKE THIS ONE BRIEFED NUMBER 10? YEAH.
ARE WE GONNA HEAR IT OR SHOULD WE, WE'RE GONNA HOLD IT UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL FEBRUARY THE SIXTH AND NO BRIEFING NEEDED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER.
SO WE'LL HOLD THAT ONE UNDER ADVISEMENT TO FEBRUARY 6TH.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, WOULD YOU LIKE THAT ONE BRIEFED? NO.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON NUMBER 11? OKAY.
COMMISSIONER
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UM, IN THE REPORT IT SAYS THAT REMOVAL OF THE URBAN FARM SETBACK IMPROVES WALKABILITY.
I WAS WONDERING HOW THAT WAS DECIDED.
I GENERALLY, IN THE PLANNING FIELD, A LOWER SETBACK MEANS BUILDINGS ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO BE CLOSER TO THE STREET, AND A BUILDING CLOSER TO THE STREET IS TYPICALLY BETTER FOR WALKABILITY.
COULD YOU ALSO, UM, ELABORATE ON THE, UM, INTRUSIONS INTO THAT 15 FOOT SETBACK THAT ARE BEING ADDED? IS THIS BE, I'M TAKING IT THAT THIS, UM, WHOLE CASE IS COMING BACK BECAUSE THE, UH, THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING DID NOT MEET THE PD IN CERTAIN WAYS, AND SO THEY MUST HAVE A DESIGN THAT HAS CERTAIN, I MEAN, CANOPY AND WALKWAYS THAT ARE NOT MEETING THE STANDARDS? YES, AND IT'S, IT'S MAINLY AROUND THAT.
I MEAN, WE HAD, THERE WERE PROJECTIONS OR AS YOU SAY, ENC OR AS THE CODE SAYS ENCROACHMENTS MM-HMM
INTO THE SETBACK PERMITTED BEFORE, UM, THERE WAS A COUPLE ELEMENTS.
THIS ONE HAS, UH, ALSO ADDED PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY, ENTRANCE DRIVE, AND CANOPY STRUCTURES AND MECHANICAL AIRWAYS.
UH, SO PART OF THAT IS ACCOMMODATE, UM, A BUILDING THAT'S GOING TO BE, IN THIS CASE, I BELIEVE, ON FOREST PARK, WHERE IT WOULD PROJECT A, UM, LIKE A DROP OFF AREA WHERE THEY HAVE A DROP OFF AREA.
PRETTY TYPICAL OF HOSPITALS, BUT IT'S TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
AND A LOT OF IT IS BECAUSE OF, UM, JUST ADJUSTMENTS TO THE, THE PLAN VERSUS THE ORIGINAL PD.
UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THE REQUESTS HAVE TO DO WITH THE PARKING GARAGE? UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT FROM A, OR I'LL JUST ASK FROM A LAND USE RATIONALE, WOULD THE USE AS A PARKING GARAGE REMOVING A SETBACK ALSO BE CONSIDERED WALKABLE? WELL, SO IMPROVING WALKABILITY, I'D RATHER HAVE SOME BUILDING NEAR THE STREET THAN NO BUILDING BUILDING'S.
GOING TO A BUILDING, EVEN IF IT'S A PARKING GARAGE, IT'S STILL GONNA CAST, UH, THINGS LIKE SHADE AND DEFINITION.
SO I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS, THAT, THAT PART IS MAINLY FOR THE PARKING GARAGE, UM, IS GOING TO BE WALKABLE NECESSARILY, BUT IT'S, IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT, ANY IMPROVEMENT.
UH, SO I, I AS A PLANNER WOULD RATHER HAVE A BUILDING OF SOME KIND, CLOSE TO A STREET TO CACHE AND OTHER THINGS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, THAT WAS, THAT WAS 12.
AND THAT TAKES US TO OUR CASES UNDER ADVISEMENT.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY CHANGES OR UPDATES TO CASE NUMBER 13? DO WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR A BRIEFING OF CASE NUMBER 13? OKAY, SURE.
WE'LL GET MS. MUNOZ JUST, JUST, UH, IN CASE THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.
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SO YOU WOULD LIKE TO RUN THROUGH THIS ONE THEN? GOOD MORNING, MS. MUNOZ.OKAY, MS. MS. MUNOZ IS HERE, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS CASE FOR MS. MUNOZ? ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR FOLKS ONLINE? OKAY.
UH, WILL WE BE RE BRIEFING THIS ITEM RIGHT NOW? PARDON ME? WOULD YOU LIKE THIS ITEM TO BE RE BRIEFED AT THIS TIME? NO, THERE WAS NO REQUEST FOR BRIEFING AND, AND THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. MUNOZ.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE'LL GO TO CASE NUMBER 14.
UH, HAS THIS BEEN BRIEFED BEFORE? OH, IT HAS BEEN BRIEFED BEFORE, YES.
ANY QUESTIONS OR CHANGES? COMMISSIONER HERBERT, WOULD YOU LIKE IT BRIEFED AGAINST HER? UM, I'M NOT SURE IF OUR NEWER COMMISSIONERS HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS CASE CASE THOROUGHLY.
IT MAY, IT MAY, UH, HELP THEM.
IT MAY BE A GOOD LEARNING LESSON, UM, TO HAVE IT BRIEF.
SO WE'D JUST LIKE TO GO THROUGH THE POWERPOINT AGAIN AS A REFRESHER, CORRECT? YES.
OUR WEBEX, UH, CRASHED HERE, SO I NEED HOPEFULLY 30 SECONDS.
OKAY, SO HERE ONCE AGAIN IS, UH, THIS CASE Z 2 2 3 2 20.
I'LL JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH QUICKLY TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, BUT IT'S GENERAL ZONE CHANGE.
IT'S LOCATED DOWN SOUTHWEST PART OF THE CITY OFF CAMP WISDOM, AND IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED NSA NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT WITH THE RESTRICTIONS Z 8 8 9 180 7.
UM, AND IN AA AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF WEST CAMPUS ANDM ROAD BETWEEN CLARK ROAD AND ROYAL CEDAR WAY, IT'S FOUR AND A HALF, 4.8 ACRES, AND THE PURPOSE IS TO PER, UH, PERMIT RESIDENTIAL USE ON THE SITE.
AS YOU'LL RECALL, THE CURRENT ZONING IS THAT COMMERCIAL, NSA, THERE'S SOME MULTI-FAMILY PD ZONING TO THE NORTHWEST, UH, OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMIT IS TO THE SOUTH, AND THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THE WAY TO THE EAST.
AND SO ZONED TO NSA UN ENVELOPED RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE PROPOSING THOSE RESIDENTIAL USES.
UH, THERE ARE EXISTING DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT DON'T, UH, INTERFERE WITH WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO SINCE THEY REGULATE COMMERCIAL USES.
UH, THAT MF TWO IS GONNA BE APPROPRIATE, UH, ON THIS SITE, GIVEN THE MACRO FACTORS.
AND AS FOR THE SITE OVERALL, I'LL RUN DOWN ALONG CAMP WISDOM, LOOKING DOWN CAMP WISDOM OUTSIDE CITY LIMIT.
UM, THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST PROPERTIES, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY TO THE EAST.
NO, THEY'RE THE WEST LOOKING SOUTHWEST.
AND THERE'S THE PROPERTY AS IT IS.
I DID INCLUDE THE, UH, THE FLOOD PLAIN LAYER, SO YOU, BECAUSE THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AND THE OVERALL LAY OF THE LAND ON THE SITE.
SO EXISTING, WE'VE GOT THAT COMMERCIAL NSA, AND THEN WE'VE GOT MULTIFAMILY AS TO, AS THE PROPOSED ZONING STAFF RECOMMENDATION
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IS APPROVAL.QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER HERBERT? ANY QUESTIONS, SIR? NO, JUST, UM, QUICK, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS, A LOT OF TALK ABOUT, UM, THE SPECIFIC SITE.
UM, I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF FLACK ABOUT HOLDING CASES, BUT THIS WAS A VERY UNIQUE LOCATION, UM, WITH A LOT OF UNIQUE CHALLENGES.
UM, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AROUND ENGINEERING AND OTHER THINGS OUTSIDE OF ZONING.
UM, BUT IT TOOK THAT CONVER IT TOOK A LOT OF CONVERSATION TO GET THERE AND TO UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT A LOT OF THIS IS KIND OF OUT OF OUR PURVIEW.
UM, WE HAVE SOME ISSUES AROUND THE LAND USE AND THE APPROVAL, BUT, UM, OUTSIDE THAT, UH, THE, THE MAJOR ISSUES WERE OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW HERE, AND I JUST WANTED TO GET EVERYTHING OUT, UM, THAT FROM THE BEGINNING SO THAT THE NEW COMMISSIONERS WERE ABLE TO SEE IT.
UH, NO, NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES, RIGHT, MICHAEL? NOT OFFICIAL ONES THAT ARE IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CASE THAT WE CAN HAVE ON THE RECORD.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT.
YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DO HAVE SOME, UH, COUPLE OF NEW COLLEAGUES AND THE, UH, THE HISTORY OF THIS CASE, UH, WAS VERY HELPFUL TO GET ON THE RECORD, SO I APPRECIATE IT, SIR.
UH, COMMISSIONERS TAKES US TO CASE.
UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE AWARE WE'VE HAD THIS CASE UNDER ADVISORY SINCE SEPTEMBER, SO, UH, IT MIGHT BE NICE IF WE COULD GET THIS DONE.
UH, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, AND I THINK COMMISSIONER HERBERT MAYBE DID IT FOR US, BUT THIS BODY IS ONLY CONSIDERING ZONING AND LAND USE.
NOT ANY, NOT ANY CHALLENGES RELATED TO ENGINEERING, TOPOGRAPHY,
UH, YES, ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE PROCESSES THAT EXIST WITHIN THE CITY, WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THAT MUST BE FOLLOWED.
I MEAN, SO ON ONE SIDE, ON ONE HAND, WE DON'T HAVE PURVIEW TO CONTROL THOSE WITH THE ZONING CASE, BUT AT THE SAME RATE, CHANGES IN THE ZONING DOESN'T CHANGE OR GIVE THEM ANY EASIER TIME GOING THROUGH THOSE PROCESS THAN THEY DO TODAY.
YOU STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT.
IF THEY'VE DEVELOPED UNDER THEIR COMMERCIAL ZONING, IT COULD BE PRETTY STRINGENT.
SAME THING WILL APPLY UNDER THE MULTIFAMILY.
AND SO EVEN IF WE APPROVED THE REQUESTED ZONING, THEY STILL HAVE A BUNCH OF HURDLES TO JUMP THROUGH TO, TO BRING A, A MULTI-STORY FACILITY INTO, UH, INTO FRUITION.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE, THE, THE REALLY STRONG SLOPE OF THIS LAND FROM CAMP WISDOM DOWN.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS HOW PROXIMITY SLOPE OR, OR ANYTHING TO DO WITH HEIGHT THAT'S MEASURED WHEN YOU HAVE SUCH A A STEEP TOPOGRAPHY CHANGE? YOU ASK.
YEAH, YOU ASK A GREAT QUESTION.
AND IT, IT SPAWNED ABOUT 45 TO AN HOUR OF TALKING WITH MY, MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT HOW WHEN WE TAKE RPS TO MEASURE ON A, ON A GRADE, I GUESS THE SIMPLEST WAY TO PUT IT IS RPS ACTS ON SITES FROM POINTS OF ORIGINATION AND IT ACTS FROM PROPERTY LINES.
THE GRADE OF THE SITE THAT IT'S ACTING UPON AND WHERE THOSE BUILDINGS ARE LOCATED ON IT, UH, DETERMINES HOW RPS IS BEING APPLIED TO THEM, THE GRADE OF THE PROPERTY LINES.
SO IN THIS CASE, OUR PROPERTY LINE'S KIND OF UP A HILL, SO THEY'RE UP A HILL.
THE RPS DOES NOT JUST GENERATE FROM THE TOP OF THAT HILL WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE LIVES, IT GENERATES RELATIVE TO THE AVERAGE GRADE OF PROPOSED BUILDINGS RELATIVE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
UH, AS, AS, SO YOU TAKE YOUR AVERAGE GRADE OF WHERE THE BUILDINGS ARE AT, DRAW A LINE OVER TO THE PROPERTY LINE AT THAT SAME ELEVATION, AND THEN GENERATE AN RPS SLOPE FROM THAT RELATIVE TO THE BUILDING.
SO IT'S A LONG COMPLICATED WAY OF SAYING THAT THEY HAVE TO, UH, TO A DEGREE ADJUST THEIR BUILDINGS DOWN THE SLOPE.
YOU DON'T GET, YOU DON'T GET SUPER EXTRA CREDIT FOR BEING ON A HILL, POTENTIALLY, YOU HAVE TO REACH THE AVERAGE ACROSS THAT HILL.
SO AS YOU HAVE RPS ACTING ON IT, AS, AS IF THEY BUILD DOWN THE SLOPE, IF THEY DO BUILD DOWN THE SLOPE, THE RPS, UH, IS GOING TO BE BROUGHT DOWN AS THE AVERAGE, UH, GRADE OF THAT BUILDING MOVES DOWN THE SITE.
SO IT LEADS TO A LOWER BUILDING THAN IF YOU JUST SAID, AH, MY RRP S GENERATES FROM THE TOP OF THIS HILL WHERE THIS PROPERTY LINE OVER IN THE EAST IS, IT'S ACTUALLY A BIT LOWER BECAUSE THEY, IF, IF THEY SO CHOOSE TO BUILD THEIR BUILDING NICE AND LOW, UH, IF, IF IN THE LOWER PARTS OF THEIR SITE THAT RPS IS GONNA SLOPE DOWN WITH THEM.
I SAID THE SAME THING A COUPLE TIMES, BUT IT TOOK ME A FEW TIMES
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TO FIGURE IT OUT.UM, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO POINT YOU TO MORE RESOURCES ON IT BECAUSE IT'S VERY INTERESTING.
COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, PLEASE.
UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE ARE DEED RESTRICTIONS ON THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY THAT WOULD LIMIT THE HEIGHT OF THE, UH, THE, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT ON THAT PROPERTY.
ARE, ARE THESE, UH, ARE THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS, UH, MOOT, UH, IF WE CHANGE THE ZONING? NO.
SO THE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT APPLY INTO THE PROPERTY, UH, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PROPOSAL TO MODIFY THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS.
UH, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, WHICH ARE LABELED, UH, DEED RESTRICTIONS Z 8 8 9 180 7, TRACK TWO, THOSE STAY IN PLACE.
THOSE STILL, UH, APPLY TO ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT, UH, IS BUILT ON THE PROPERTY.
JUST THOSE DE RESTRICTIONS AS LISTED IN THE REPORT, SAY, YOU KNOW, A GENERAL MERCHANDISE FOOD STORE OF LESS THAN 3,500 IS PROHIBITED.
A MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION IS PROHIBITED.
ALL OTHER USES ARE, ARE ALLOWED.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE D RESTRICTIONS APPLY THERE.
THE, I I UNDERSTAND THERE MAY BE REFERENCE TO D RESTRICTIONS, UH, THAT REGULATE HEIGHT.
THOSE ARE THE NEIGHBORING D RESTRICTIONS FOR TRACT ONE OF Z 8 8 9 180 7.
SO THE, THE RESTRICTIONS DO STAY IN PLACE, BUT THEY LIMIT THEY ARE IN REGARDS TO COMMERCIAL ZONING.
SO YOU SAY THAT THEY DON'T APPLY THEN IF THIS, UH, RE IS REZONED TO A MULTIFAMILY? THEY DO, THEY DO CONTINUE TO APPLY, BUT THEY DON'T REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE, UH, GENERAL, BECAUSE COMMERCIAL USES ARE ALREADY PROHIBITED IN THE MULTIFAMILY ZONE, SO THEY'LL CONTINUE TO STAY THERE.
IF SOMEONE CAME AND CHANGED IT FROM MULTIFAMILY TO COMMERCIAL IN 20 YEARS, AGAIN, THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS WILL STILL APPLY.
THOSE COMMERCIAL DEED RESTRICTIONS WILL STILL APPLY.
IT'S JUST THEY DON'T REALLY DO ANYTHING.
UM, IF YOU SAY YOU CAN'T BUILD A GAS STATION IN A, UH, MULTIFAMILY ZONE, THEY DON'T REALLY DO ANYTHING, BUT THEY STILL REMAIN AND APPLY.
SO, UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THE PROPOSED, UH, DEVELOPMENT IS OF A HIGHER, UH, A GREATER HEIGHT THAN WHAT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS CURRENTLY ALLOW.
IS THAT NOT THE CASE? THERE ARE TWO SETS OF D RESTRICTIONS IN THE AREA.
YOU, IF YOU CAN SEE THIS MAP, IF I NEED TO ZOOM IN, THERE'S Z 8 89 180 7 TRACT ONE.
THAT'S A MULTIFAMILY, UH, ZONING.
AND IT HAS D RESTRICTIONS ON IT, THAT LIMIT HEIGHT.
I DON'T REMEMBER EVERYTHING ELSE THOSE, UM, REGULATE.
BUT THEY ARE A SEPARATE SET OF DEED RESTRICTIONS.
THEY'RE FOR TRACK ONE, THESE ARE FOR TRACK TWO, TRACK TWO DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE, WHICH MAKES SENSE.
THEY APPLIED TO COMMERCIAL ZONING, THE COMMERCIAL ZONING THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THIS SITE.
SO TWO SEPARATE, UM, PARTS OF A DOCUMENT, TWO SEPARATE SETS OF REGULATIONS ATTRACT ONE REGULATIONS HAVE NEVER APPLIED FOR THIS SITE BECAUSE THEY'RE TWO GEOGRAPHICALLY SEPARATE SETS, BUT TRACK TWO REGULATIONS DEFINITELY CONTINUE TO APPLY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
DO WE NEED IT BRIEF? ANY QUESTIONS ON CASE NUMBER 15? ANY REQUEST FOR BRIEFING? OKAY, CASE NUMBER 16 COMMISSIONERS HAS, UH, IS GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL FEBRUARY 6TH.
AND LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER RUBIN HAS A CONFLICT ON THAT.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS ON 16TH? OKAY, TAKES US TO 17 AT, UH, ALSO GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL FEBRUARY 6TH.
I THINK THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS BEFORE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON NUMBER 18? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE? YES, UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT, UM, THE SUP IS FOR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE, BUT IT ISN'T, UH, IT DOESN'T SPECIFY WHAT TYPE OF COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE IT IS.
AND FOR, UM, PARKING, IF YOU FALL INTO THE CATEGORY OF OTHER, THE, UM, PARKING RATIO IS ONE TO PER HUNDRED, AND THIS PARKING RATIO WAS CALCULATED ONE TO 300.
SO I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT CAME ABOUT.
AND, AND DOES THE SUP NEED TO SPECIFY WHAT TYPE OF COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE IT IS? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, I DON'T HAVE A SLIDE IN A PRESENTATION IF YOU WANT ME TO SHARE.
UM, GOOD CATCH AND GOOD EXPLANATION TO GIVE COMMERCIAL
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AMUSEMENT INSIDE USES, THERE ARE A WIDE VARIETY AND THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE CALLED OUT BY CODE AND LIKE A DANCE HALL OR A BALLING ALLEY.SO IF YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC REQUEST FOR THAT, WE WOULD SAY LIMITED TO A DANCE HALL.
IF NOT IS A, IT FALLS BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE, WHICH THIS ONE IS.
WHEN IT GOES TO PERMITTING, THEY CANNOT APPLY FOR A DANCE HALL BECAUSE THE SUP DOESN'T SAY DANCE HALL, IT SAYS COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE.
SO THEY WILL BE FUNNELED INTO THE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE USE THAT IS WIDER.
THE APPLICANT EXPLAINED HE WANTS TO DO SOME SORT OF A VISUAL ART GALLERY, SOME SORT OF AN EVENT SPACE.
UH, WHEN THEY APPLY FOR A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THIS USE SPECIFICALLY, THERE IS A QUESTIONNAIRE, THERE ARE QUESTIONS, AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS THAT THROWS THEM INTO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE THAT DOESN'T, UH, COMPLY WITH THE SUP, THEN THEY WILL NEED TO EITHER AMEND THEIR OPERATION AND COME BACK TO AMEND THE SUP.
SO COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE IT HAS TO FALL BACK ON THE DEFINITION ON THE CODE, UH, AND IS CORRECT.
IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE LIMITED TO, BECAUSE THEY DON'T INTEND TO DO ONE OF THOSE USES THAT REQUIRES SPECIFIC USE PERMIT OR SOMETHING ELSE.
NOW, AS FAR AS PARKING, YOU ARE RIGHT AS WELL, LIKE EACH TYPE OF COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE HAS A DIFFERENT PARKING RATIO.
UM, USUALLY PARKING AS WE KNOW, AND WE SAY FOR EVERY ZONING CASE IS CHECKED AT PERMITTING IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN GET OUT OF.
THEY WILL HAVE TO SHOW IT AT PERMITTING.
THERE ARE 18 PARKING SPACES ON SITE FOR THE FOUR SUITES.
UM, AND, UM, THEY CAN, HE IS STRIPED ALL OF THOSE.
HE'S GONNA EXPLAIN IF AGAIN, AT PERMITTING IS DEEMED THAT THEY NEED MORE PARKING SPACES, THEY WILL HAVE TO EITHER MODIFY TO HAVE A SMALLER FOOTPRINT OR FIND MORE PARKING.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY CANNOT GET OUT OF IT.
HOWEVER, UM, FOR A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE USE, THE SUP CAN SPECIFY A DIFFERENT RATIO.
SO IF THE BODY WANTS TO SAY THE REQUIRED PARKING FOR THIS IS EIGHT SPACES OR FIVE SPACES, YOU CAN DO THAT.
UM, ONE RECOMMENDATION THAT I HAD, AND I WAS GONNA PRESENT IT TO THE BODY, IS TO PUT IN THE SUP CONDITION, A MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 2,200 SQUARE FEET.
THIS IS, THE UNIT SIZE IS NOT INCLUDING CURRENTLY IN THE CONDITIONS.
I WOULD RECOMMEND TO INCLUDE THAT.
UM, I CHECKED WITH THE APPLICANT AS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE UNIT, AND THAT'S A MAXIMUM.
AS I SAID, THAT DOESN'T PROHIBIT THEM TO DO SMALLER IF THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING.
I WAS TRYING TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAVING TO COME BACK TO US IF THEY, UH, YOU KNOW, COULDN'T MEET, UM, THE PARKING RATIO BECAUSE IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THEY WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO WITH A, WITH, WITH A USE THAT FELL INTO OTHER, UM, YES, I WOULD DEFINITELY RECOMMEND.
UM, I HAVE TO ASK THIS A QUESTION.
DOESN'T IT SEEM THE WAY TO UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS WOULD BE TO, UH, LIMIT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND ALSO SPECIFY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PARKING? YES, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT AS WELL.
BUT I HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION.
IF THEY'RE NOT SPEC, THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE NOT RESTRICTED TO A PARTICULAR TYPE OF, OF COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE, THIS COULD ALSO BECOME AN EVENT CENTER, WHICH WOULD THEN PRESENT SOME PROBLEMS WITH PARKING.
I DON'T THINK TOO MANY EVENT CENTERS WOULD FUNCTION WELL WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, A HANDFUL OF PARKING SPACES WHILE THE, THE, UM, ART, THE VISUAL AND AUDIO ART GALLERY MIGHT.
IS THERE A WAY TO, TO HIM, I DON'T THINK VISUAL AND AUDIO ART GALLERY ARE DEFINED, IS THERE A WAY TO, UH, WRITE A SUP CONDITION THAT THIS CANNOT BE AN EVENT CENTER? WOULD THAT BE THE EASIEST WAY TO SOLVE IT? I, I DON'T THINK SO.
I WOULD SAY THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE SUP.
SO IF IT COMES BACK AND WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE KNOWN ISSUES WITH THEIR EXTENDED OPERATION, UM, THEN THAT, AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE PUT A TERM LIMIT.
THIS IS, THAT IS A NEW SUPI TALKED TO THE APPLICANT.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME HE'S PLANNING TO CREATE THIS USE.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE SUP TO HAVE A LIMITED TERM.
COMMISSIONER HALL, JUST REAL QUICK, AUDIO VISUAL THING, SORT OF LIKE MEOW WOLF OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
UH, DOES THE CONCEPT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, HE'S GONNA BE HERE TODAY, I WOULD SAY YOU CAN ASK HIM AND THEY CAN, THEY CAN EXPLAIN WHAT THEY INTEND TO DO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS.
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OKAY, THANK YOU.UM, WILL NEED TO BE RENO NUMBER 19.
NUMBER 19, NUMBER 20 WILL NEED TO BE RENO, UH, 21.
WE HAVE HEARD IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE, WE NEED TO HAVE.
UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON HAS A CONFLICT, SHE NEED TO STEP OUT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON 21? UH, COMMISSIONER FORT SIDE.
I KIND OF SEE YOU GOING TOWARDS THE MICROPHONE, SIR, WHICH ONE WOULD YOU LIKE? I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
UH, ON 20, ARE WE GOING TO, UH, HEAR THIS, UH, CASE, UH, GET A BRIEFING ON THIS? OR NUMBER 20? OR CAN I ASK QUESTIONS REGARDING IT? UH, LET'S, LET'S ASK, THERE, THERE WAS A, UH, A NOTICE ERROR ON THAT ONE IN TERMS OF THE STICKER.
SO I, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE CAN EVEN, UH, HOLD IT.
UH, I THINK IT'S JUST, I'M NOT ASKING HOLD YEAH, IT'S IT AS IF IT'S NOT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HARPER.
IT SAYS IF IT'S NOT EVEN PRINTED ON HERE, BECAUSE IT WASN'T NOTICED CORRECTLY, SO IT'S LIKE WE DON'T EVEN HAVE IT.
OH, SO IT, IT WILL HAVE TO COME BACK, WE NOTICED AND COME BACK.
UH, I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE A DATE CERTAIN FOR THAT.
WE ARE LOOKING AT THE NEXT HEARING.
SO WE HAVE TO JUST PRETEND IT WASN'T EVEN ON, ON THIS DOCKET.
QUESTIONS CAN STILL BE ASKED TO THE, THE PLANNER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BY EMAIL, SO STILL TOTALLY FINE TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS.
DID YOU CATCH THAT COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT? I DID NOT.
CAN YOU PLEASE, UH, REPEAT THAT, SIR? DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE CAN'T ASK QUESTIONS OR DISCUSS IT HERE, WE CAN STILL ASK QUESTIONS TO THE PLANNER AT ANY TIME.
OFFLINE, YEAH, YOU CAN EMAIL HIM.
COMMISSIONERS TAKES US TO NUMBER 22.
YOU, YOU ASKED TO HOLD NUMBER 16.
UM, I DIDN'T PUT THAT REQUEST IN.
OH, 16 WAS NOT GONNA BE HELD, COMMISSIONER.
NO, I, WE NEED, I WOULD LIKE, THANK YOU.
I MIGHT'VE GOTTEN MY WIRES CROSSED ON THAT ONE.
UM, DO WE NEED THAT BRIEFED? YES, DEFINITELY.
DO YOU HAVE CONFLICT ON 16? OH, YEP.
OKAY, LET'S HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
UH, VICE CHAIR RUBIN HAS A CONFLICT ON NUMBER 16 AND IS GONNA STEP OUT.
AND IN FACT, HE HAS STEPPED OUT OF THE CHAMBER.
SO LET'S HAVE A BRIEFING ON THIS ONE.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HERBERT.
I WAS, I WAS LIKE, I HADN'T HEARD THAT, BUT HERE WE ARE.
UM, NO, I DON'T WANT AN AI ASSISTANT.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS Z 2 2 3 3 0 4.
AND THIS IS LOCATED IN FAR SOUTHWEST DALLAS.
AND IT'S AN APPLICATION ONE FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MU ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT USES.
AND TWO, THE TERMINATION OF DE RESTRICTIONS.
8 3 4 DASH 1 23 ON PROPERTIES OWNED IN RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT WITH THE RESTRICTIONS 8 3 4 1 2 3 WITH CONSIDERATION FOR AN MU ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF WEST CAMPUS, WEST ROAD, NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF WEST CAMP WISDOM ROAD AND CLARK ROAD.
AND IT'S ABOUT 13 ACRES IN SIZE.
SO THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW MODIFIED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, PRIMARILY RELATING TO SIDEWALKS, LANDSCAPING, MIXED INCOME HOUSING AND DESIGN STANDARDS TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH MULTIFAMILY USES.
HERE'S THE SITE AS IT EXISTS TODAY.
YEAH, SO IT'S, IT'S THAT RR ZONING AND THERE'S MULTIFAMILY TO THE NORTHEAST UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY TO THE EAST.
UH, THERE'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION TO THE SOUTH AND THAT RR ZONING, UH, THERE'S SOME MULTIFAMILY ACROSS, UH, CAMP WISDOM TO THE SOUTH, AND THERE'S SOME MULTIFAMILY TO THE WEST.
UH, IT'S CURRENTLY G ZONE THAT OUR REGIONAL RETAIL, IT'S CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
THEY ARE PROPOSING JUST MULTIFAMILY USES.
UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING A PD THAT ALMOST COMPLETELY DEFAULTS TO MU ONE.
UH, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND JUST AN MU ONE BASE WITHOUT THE PD.
UM, THERE ARE D RESTRICTIONS ON THE PROPERTY THAT NEED TO BE TERMINATED TO DEVELOP THE PROJECT REGARDLESS OF THE BASE DISTRICT SINCE THEY PROHIBIT MULTIFAMILY USES, BUT THEY ACT ON THAT RR DISTRICT.
SO I QUICKLY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE NECESSITY FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
SO AGAIN, IT DOESN'T ALTER THE BASE, UH, CHARACTERISTICS OF MU WINE, HEIGHT, SPACE, YARD, LOT SPACE, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
UM, THE PD DOES NOT INCLUDE REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE UNIQUE MIXES
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OR, OR, UH, UNIQUE PROPERTY, UH, CHARACTERISTICS THAT THE, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT CALLS FOR IN OUR CODE.IT ALSO DOESN'T OFFER ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL ATYPICAL OF A BASIC ZONING CASE THAT YOU WON'T SEE.
WE HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS BUILT INTO THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING BONUS THAT APPLY DESIGN STANDARDS REGARDLESS OF THE PD OR NOT.
AND IT DOES, THEY, THE PD IS POTENTIALLY THE ONLY THING IT DOES DO IS OFFER MINOR EXEMPTIONS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS OF FOUR POINT 1107.
THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DESIGN STANDARDS.
UM, THE STAFF HOPES THAT THEY CAN MEET, UH, THEY WOULDN'T NEED A PLAN TO, TO BE ALTERED TO DO THAT, BUT THEY, WE HOPE THAT THEY CAN JUST MEET THOSE RATHER THAN THE, THOSE EXEMPTIONS.
LET'S, LET'S GET DOWN TO THE SITE.
SO HERE WE ARE ON CLARK RIDGE, LOOKING SOUTHEAST.
AS I GO AROUND THE SITE LOOKING NORTH AND IT'S LOOKING NORTH, I'M GONNA MOVE DOWN TOWARDS THAT GAS STATION UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THEN TURN AROUND THE CORNER, GO UP TOWARDS CLARK.
UH, THE NORTH, NORTH PART OF THIS PROPERTY IS NOT WITHIN THE AREA REQUEST, SO IT, IT KIND OF STRETCHES FROM TWO PROPERTIES TO ANOTHER.
AND THERE'S CLARK RIDGE ACROSS CLARK RIDGE, THE MULTIFAMILY THAT EXISTS TODAY AND ACROSS, UM, CAMP WISDOM, THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH MULTIFAMILY AND AN UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY GAS STATION UNDER CONSTRUCTION THERE.
UH, DIRT STOP ACROSS CLARK LOOKING EAST, LOOKING EAST AT, UH, UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY, A MULTI-FAMILY UP CLARK.
AND THEN THE, UH, NEIGHBORING LOT TO THE NORTH IS UNDEVELOPED AT THIS TIME.
SO HERE'S A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS, UH, PROPOSED.
IT DOES STRETCH FROM BUILDING, UH, FROM STREET TO STREET, KIND OF, UH, WITH, UH, NUMBER OF BUILDINGS LOCATED WITHIN MULTIFAMILY USES ONLY HERE IS A LITTLE MORE ZOOMED IN.
SO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, AGAIN, WE'VE GOT RR RIGHT NOW.
UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING MIXED USE BASE PD.
UH, WE'RE PROPO PROPOSING MIXED USE AS A RECOMMENDATION.
UH, IT DOESN'T ALTER THOSE, THOSE ALL REMAIN THE SAME UNDER MIXED USE.
UH, I DO FIND A MIXED USE IS GONNA BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE DISTRICT HERE.
UH, IT IS CURRENTLY ZONE COMMERCIAL.
UH, I THINK MIXED USE WILL ALLOW AT LEAST KIND OF ZONE CAPACITY FOR, UH, MIX OF USES, POTENTIALLY COMMERCIAL IF IF NECESSARY IN THE LONG RUN.
UH, BUT IT'LL ALLOW THE MULTIFAMILY SO IT'S STILL APPROPRIATE ON SITE.
EITHER WAY, THEIR PD, UH, STILL DEFAULTS TO THAT ONLY CHANGES.
THEY KIND OF SPECIFY THEIR MIXED INCOME HOUSING DENSITY SHOULD THEY USE THAT BONUS, UH, DESIGN STANDARD.
THESE ARE JUST THE FOUR POINT 1107 DESIGN STANDARD.
UH, GENERALLY THEY DO ASK FOR EXEMPTIONS ON THE HEIGHT OF FENCES AND OF THE, UH, AMOUNT OF UNITS THAT HAVE TO HAVE DIRECT CONNECTIONS ON THE SIDEWALK.
UM, AND, AND WHERE PARKING CAN BE PLACED.
UH, STAFF GENERALLY LIKES TO SEE THOSE THINGS, UH, IN ANY MIXED INCOME PROJECT.
MAKE HIGH QUALITY PROJECTS FOR EVEN THE, THE UNITS WHERE WE HAVE, UH, REDUCED, UH, RENTS OR FIXED RENTS.
UM, SO WE, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE 4.7 OF SANDERS MET, UH, BY APPROVING THE, UH, BASE MU ONE, BUT THOSE ARE THE ONLY EXEMPTIONS THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING AT THIS TIME.
UH, THE RELEVANT TEACHER RESTRICTIONS THAT APPLY, IF YOU CAN READ THOSE, LET ME KNOW.
UH, BUT IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, RIGHT NOW IT JUST LIMITS THE, THE FLOOR AREA RATIO.
UH, AND IT'S A VERY SMALL 2.25 TO ONE, UH, IS GONNA BE PRETTY DIFFICULT TO, TO BUILD OUT ANY KIND OF, UH, MULTIFAMILY ON, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE A QUARTER OF YOUR LOT DEVELOPED, UH, AS A FLOOR AREA.
SO THEY DO REQUEST TO TERMINATE THOSE.
AND THEN THE MORE DETAILED TRACKED WITHIN THE DR, UM, IS A FLOOR AREA RATIO OF 0.5 IS TO ONE, BUT THEN IT DOES SAY THAT MULTIFAMILY IS PROHIBITED.
SO THAT'S A, A BIG PART OF WHAT THEY NEED TO TERMINATE THROUGH THIS.
UH, AND THAT'S REGARDLESS OF THE PD OR THE, UH, MIXED USE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO BUILD A PROJECT.
SO POINT BEING, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF AN MU ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT IN LIEU OF THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
AND TWO, TERMINATION D RESTRICTIONS, DR 8 34 DASH 1 23 QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? YES, MICHAEL, UM, UH, STARTING OUT THE HISTORY OF THIS SITE, UM, IT WAS, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE RETAIL.
THE NEIGHBORS ALWAYS WANTED IT TO BE, BUT UM, IT SEEMED TO BE INUNDATED BY OTHER MULTIFAMILY, IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY SURROUNDING, UM, THIS PROPERTY, OBVIOUSLY, WHEN I WENT AROUND THE SITE, I LISTED THREE, FOUR DIFFERENT MULTIFAMILY LARGE PROPERTIES NEARBY.
UM, SO MY STAFF, IF WE WERE LOOKING FOR A GOOD DISTRICT TO ALLOW A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY, BUT ALLOW SOME ZONE
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CAPACITY AND FLEXIBILITY FOR FUTURE, UH, COMMERCIAL THAT IS, I WOULD SAY NECESSARY, UH, FOR A HEALTHY AREA TO HAVE A MIX OF USES, UH, WE RECOMMEND THAT MIXED USE DISTRICT.SO ORIGINALLY I THINK THE VISION WAS TO HAVE A LARGE BOX STORE HERE, UM, AND THEN TODAY THAT JUST WOULDN'T EVEN BE FEASIBLE, IS THAT CORRECT? OH, I, I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE FEASIBILITY, BUT IT IS ZONED TO OUR, OUR REGIONAL RETAIL, WHICH ALLOWS A LOT OF, UH, HEAVY COMMERCIAL AND LARGE AMOUNT OF, UH, LARGE AMOUNT OF RETAIL USES.
AND, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE EXEMPTIONS, YOU MENTIONED THERE WAS A EXEMPTION FOR, UH, SIDEWALK, I THINK 60% OF THE GROUND LEVEL, UM, HAD TO HAVE ACCESS TO SIDEWALKS.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE DEEPER, UM, ON WHY, WHY WE WOULD GIVE THAT EXEMPTION, UM, AND WHY THIS TYPE OF, UM, INTERCONNECTIVITY IS IMPORTANT? YEAH, SO THAT IS BASED OFF THE STANDARDS THAT ARE TYPICAL TO 4.017, THEY'RE BAKED INTO MIXED INCOME HOUSING PROJECTS WHERE 60, IT'S NOT 60% OF GROUND FLOOR UNITS, BUT IT'S 60% OF, OF STREET FACING, UH, UNITS WHERE, SO YOU, YOU HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF UNITS THAT ARE ON THE GROUND FLOOR WHERE THOSE UNITS FACE THE STREET, WHERE THEY'RE ON THE GROUND FLOOR, A PERCENTAGE OF THEM, 60% HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE SIDEWALK EITHER THROUGH USUALLY, AND USUALLY THAT'S DONE THROUGH A DOOR OR A, UM, A GATE OF SOME KIND THAT'S CONNECTED TO THEIR UNIT INDIVIDUALLY.
YOU'LL SEE THAT A LOT, UM, IN SOME OF THE URBAN PROJECTS, UH, THAT COME AROUND WHERE PEOPLE CAN DIRECTLY ACCESS THE SIDEWALK, UH, GET A LITTLE ACTIVATION, BUT ALSO MAKE IT SAFER AND EASIER FOR THEM TO, TO GET OUT OF THEIR UNIT, GET TO THE STREET, UM, USE THE STREET AND GET TO NEARBY DESTINATIONS AND TRANSIT.
SO STAFF DOESN'T RECOMMEND, UM, ELIMINATING THAT, UH, WE'LL PUSH FOR IT IN A LOT OF PROJECTS, YOU'LL SEE.
UH, SO WE DO RECOMMEND MAINTAINING IT BY APPROVING THE MIXED USE DISTRICT, WHICH IT WILL APPLY JUST BY NATURE OF BEING A, UH, MIXED INCOME HOUSING PROJECT.
AND, UH, CAMP WISDOM IS A, IT, IT'S THE BUSIEST STREET ON THAT, THAT SIDE OF THE WORLD.
UM, IT WALK IS BUSY TOO, BUT ARE THE, ARE THERE PARTAKE, ARE THEY ASKING NOT TO HAVE THESE SIDEWALKS ON THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE OF CAMP WISDOM, OR IS THERE SOMETHING DEEPER THERE THAT SIDEWALKS ARE STILL GONNA BE, SO SIDEWALKS THEMSELVES ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED.
THIS EXEMPTION WOULD APPLY TO ACTIVATION OF SIDEWALK AND IT'S NOT, UM, TARGETED OR ANYTHING NECESSARILY.
SO WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO HAVE THE SIDEWALKS AT SIX FOOT UNOBSTRUCTED.
OH, I DIDN'T NOTE THAT IN HERE.
UM, SO THOSE ARE STILL GONNA BE REQUIRED.
IT'S THAT, UM, ACTIVATION FROM INDIVIDUAL ENTRIES WHERE 60% OF THE STREET LEVEL DWELLING UNITS ADJACENT TO A STREET HAVE TO HAVE THAT ENTRY.
UH, SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY ABOUT HOW THE BUILDING INTERACTS WITH THE STREET MORE SO THAN THE SIDEWALK AND THE STREET.
AND ARE THEY ASKING FOR THESE, AND I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT, BUT ARE THEY ASKING FOR THESE EXEMPTION? BECAUSE THE ACTIVITY ON CAMP WISDOM, UH, I'LL LET THEM, I'LL LET THEM SPEAK TO IT, BUT MY PLANNER PROFESSIONAL OPINION IS WE ACTIVATE A STREET BETTER, IT'S GOING TO BE A BETTER STREET REGARDLESS OF HOW THE STREET IS.
IS THERE ANY OPEN SPACE HERE? I DON'T SEE A LOT OF GREEN SPACE ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, UH, BUT JUST WANTED YOU TO, TO TALK TO IT.
YEAH, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE 10% OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS AGAIN, PART OF THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS.
UH, THERE ARE SOME QUALITY STANDARDS BAKED INTO THE FOUR POINT 1107, UH, STANDARDS AS WELL.
WHEN I SAY QUALITY STANDARDS, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT CAN BE BUILT IN THERE.
UH, OPEN SPACE MAY CONTAIN PRIMARILY GRASS, VEGETATION OR OPEN WATER.
ABBY USES GROUNDWATER RECHARGE AREA PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES SUCH AS FOUNTAINS, BENCHES, OR SHADE STRUCTURES.
SO THERE IS, UH, A MINIMUM 10%.
UH, WE DON'T REQUIRE THEM TO SAY EXACTLY WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE ON, ON A DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO LOCK THEM IN, UH, BUT IT, IT IS GONNA HAVE TO BE PROVIDED.
AND THAT 10%, IT COULD INCLUDE THAT DETENTION POND IS WHAT I JUST HEARD.
ACCORDING TO 4.0107, UH, IT CAN CONTAIN PRIMARILY GRASS, VEGETATION, OR OPEN WATER AND MAYBE USED AS GROUNDWATER RECHARGE AREA.
SO THAT CAN INCLUDE THOSE AREAS AND HOW THIS CODE IS WRITTEN.
UM, STILL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE FULL IMPACT OF PD VERSUS THE, UM, MULTIFAMILY, BUT I WILL LET, UM, ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES ASK ANY QUESTIONS IF THEY HAVE ANY.
QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER HEMP, FELLOW COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
UM, MR. PEPE, I GUESS ONE THING AS I, SIMILAR TO WHAT COMMISSIONER HERBERT JUST ASKED, IT APPEARS THAT WITHIN THE PD CONDITIONS THAT THERE ARE SOME INTERNAL REGULATIONS TALKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE CROSSING DRIVE AISLES WHERE SIDEWALKS WOULD BE REQUIRED.
NONE OF THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE CODIFIED IN A BASE ZONING DISTRICT.
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TRUE, BUT THOSE WERE ADDED AT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO MITIGATE THE POTENTIAL, UH, CONCERNS OF GIVING THAT EXEMPTION.SO WE SAID, UH, IF YOU GO DOWN THIS PD ROUTE, YOU COULD BE GET THAT 60% GROUND FLOOR UNIT EXEMPTION.
I THINK THAT, UH, THE CODE THAT WE HAVE FOR THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE GROUND LEVEL ACCESS IS, IS GOOD AND IT SHOULD BE MAINTAINED.
BUT IF THEY'RE GONNA ASK FOR AN EXEMPTION TO THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED THOSE CONDITIONS AS A MITIGATION, UH, MEASURE TO THAT.
AND THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE COMMUNITY AMENITIES.
AND IT APPEARS THAT THE LANDSCAPING STANDARDS MAY BE MORE ROBUST THAN BASE COAT AS WELL.
AND I SPECIFICALLY NOTED THE TREE SPACING DISTRICTS APPEARED TO BE THE THAT'S THE ONLY, YEAH.
AND THAT'S, I WAS TRYING TO GO BACK AND CHECK THE, I THINK THEY'VE GOT THE, UM, REQUIRED LANDSCAPE POINTS IS 50, SO 50 WOULD BE THE BASE REQUIREMENT FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT.
WHEN YOU HAVE, WHEN YOU PUT TOGETHER YOUR PLAN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE, MEET A CERTAIN NUMBER OF POINTS AND THAT IS YEAH, I AGREE.
AND THEN, UM, SO THE AMENITIES THAT ARE LISTED FOR THE SWIMMING POOL, FITNESS FACILITY, DOG RECREATION CENTER, THOSE WOULD BE STANDARD AS WELL.
THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING STAFF LOOKS TO REQUIRE FOR, UH, A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT.
SO, MR. BABB, YOUR, UM, OPINION IS THAT THE PD MOSTLY SERVES TO LESSEN DESIGN STANDARDS RATHER THAN ENHANCING THEM? THAT'S PRIMARILY WHAT IT ORIGINALLY WAS.
I MEAN, THE, SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE ADDED, WE WERE AT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, TO MITIGATE THEM.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT ADVANCES US VERY FAR RELATIVE TO THE RISK AND THE DOWNSIDES THAT A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT GIVE US, WHICH ARE, UH, THE INFLEXIBILITY OF DESIGN, UH, THE DIFFICULTY OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND THE LONG-TERM RAMIFICATIONS OF A LIMITED DISTRICT.
UH, NORMALLY, UH, DETENTION POND WOULD NOT SATISFY, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR OPEN SPACE, IS THAT CORRECT? DEPENDS HOW THOSE OPEN SPACE REGULATIONS ARE WRITTEN.
UH, HOW THE ONES THAT ARE BUILT INTO THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DESIGN STANDARDS ARE, IT'S GROUNDWATER RECHARGE IS A POTENTIAL THING, UH, THAT CAN SATISFY OPEN SPACE, BUT IT HAS TO MEET ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS WHERE, UH, IT HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, PRIMARILY VEGETATION, GRASS OPEN SPACE, UM, WITH CERTAIN ALLOWANCES FOR ARCHITECTURAL THINGS, UH, SMALL STRUCTURES THAT ARE, UH, FOR ACTIVE OR PASSIVE RECREATION.
UH, BUT GROUNDWATER RECHARGE IS LISTED AS ONE OF THE, UM, SPACES THAT CAN SATISFY THAT, BUT IT'S WITH THE QUALIFIERS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT IS WRITTEN INTO THE STANDARD 1107 YES.
REQUIREMENTS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT, AND AT LEAST DURING THE TIME I'VE BEEN ON CPC, UM, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT DETENTION PONDS GENERALLY ARE NOT CONSIDERED TO BE OPEN SPACE.
THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE FENCED AND PEOPLE AREN'T SUPPOSED TO GO ON THEM.
SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, UH, THERE'S A, A DEFICIT OF OPEN SPACE HERE.
IF, IF THAT DETENTION, FAIRLY LARGE DETENTION AREA COULD BE USED TO SATISFY THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT, RIGHT? AND SO IT CAN BE MET, BUT IT HAS TO MEET SOME OF THOSE OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE BUILT IN THERE.
SO THAT'S ONE SAYS IT CAN BE FOR ACTIVE OR PASSIVE RECREATION, PLAYGROUND ACTIVITY, GROUNDWATER RECHARGE YOUR LANDSCAPING, BUT THEN THERE'S OTHER QUALIFICATIONS THERE THAT, THAT MAKE IT, UH, SORT OF QUALITY STANDARDS, IF YOU WILL.
UH, THE OTHER THING IS WE DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY IN A BASE DISTRICT, WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A DETENTION AREA.
THEY DO UNDERGROUND, OTHER SORTS OF THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THEY SHOULDN'T TYPICALLY BE LOCKED INTO THAT IN A ZONING PROCESS.
UH, THEY HAPPEN TO DEPICT ONE ON THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT UNDER A BASE DISTRICT, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY TIED TO HAVING A ABOVE GROUND WATER STORAGE AREA.
UH, ONE LAST SORT OF TECHNICAL THING ON PAGE, UH, 4 27.
DID YOU NOTICE THAT UNDER C3 WHERE IT SAYS GROUND LEVEL DWELLING UNITS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE DIRECT CONNECTIONS VIA SIDEWALK TO STREET SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 51, P 1 0 9, C 1 0 9 C ONE, UM, HAS TO DO WITH PADE, UH, WITH, UH, AMENITIES? IT, IT, THAT SHOULD READ 1 0 9 B FOUR, I BELIEVE.
WHERE NUMBER THREE, WHERE THE, IT'S, IT REFERS TO 1 0 9 C 1, 1 0 9 C ONE, AT LEAST IN THE VERSION THAT I'M LOOKING AT.
DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE GROUND LEVEL DWELLING UNITS CONNECTING TO A SIDEWALK.
SO, UM, I'M THINKING IT SHOULD BE 1 0 9 B FOUR.
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IT'S A REFERENCE BECAUSE REFERENCE IS CHANGE, PRESUMABLY.I THINK THAT'S A REFERENCE AREA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? UH, JUST A COUPLE, PLEASE.
UM, SO JUST, UM, IN REFERENCE TO THE UNITS, THE, THE, IN, IN A LOT OF THIS I'VE MENTIONED TO YOU GUYS BEFORE, DEVELOPMENTS IN MY DISTRICT, I KIND OF HAVE TO PROTECT THINGS IN CASE THESE PROPERTIES ARE SOLD OR THIS, THIS, THIS CHANGE IS, IS, IT'S BASICALLY LEGACY, RIGHT? SO I WANT TO BE SURE WE'RE GOING ON ROUND PAT, BUT, UH, CURRENTLY THE MU ONE, UH, PROVIDES FOR 65 UNITS.
THE PD IS ASKING FOR 35 UNITS PER ACRE.
IS THAT, IS THAT ACCURATE? ONE MOMENT.
SO, MIXED USE ZONING, MIXED USE ONE LIMITS YOU TO 25 UNITS PER ACRE.
ONLY IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE USES GOING ON THERE.
IF YOU'RE A SINGLE USE PROPERTY LIKE THIS ONE IS, IF YOU INCLUDE MIXED INCOME HOUSING, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO SEE, IT ALLOWS THEM TO INCREASE THEIR DENSITY UP TO 65.
UM, UNDER THAT, UH, JUST THE SINGLE USE.
SO IT'S TIED TO THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING.
THEY CAN ONLY INCREASE THEIR DENSITY IF THEY'RE PROVIDING BETTER, UH, MORE ATTAINABLE HOUSING.
ALSO, UM, THEY PROVIDED, UH, MORE ENHANCED LANDSCAPING, I THINK THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED.
UM, THERE IS NO WAY TO HOLD THEM TO THAT IN THE MU ONE, IS THAT CORRECT? NOT NECESSARILY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
UH, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT VICE CHAIR RUBIN CAN NOW COME BACK INTO THE CHAMBER.
UM, I THINK COMMISSIONER WHEELER, WE'RE GONNA CIRCLE BACK TO CASE NUMBER NUMBER THREE IN THE BACK.
IS SHE IN THE BACK OR WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO BRING THAT UP? WE'RE JUST TAKING A QUICK PAUSE.
COMMISSIONER SW, WE'RE UH, ON, ON HOLD THERE FOR THE MOMENT.
UH, WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT NUMBER 21.
SO COMMISSIONER KINSTON HAS A CONFLICT FOR THE RECORD NUMBER 22.
IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FOR THE RECORD, COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT, AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON HAVE A, A CONFLICT ON NUMBER 22.
SO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, WE WILL, UH, ASK THEM TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK.
ANY QUESTIONS ON 22? OKAY, NOTHING THERE.
COMMISSIONERS, UH, ANYTHING ON NUMBER 46 ON THE SIGNS COMMISSIONERS? 46 47 48 OUR AUTHORIZED HEARING? I BRIEFED.
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LET'S HAVE A BRIEF.I TRYING TO REMEMBER WHICH ONE IT WAS.
YEAH, IS HE DOING IT? HE'S, WHAT'S THAT? GOOD MORNING.
SO WE WILL DO THE BRIEFING OF THE AUTHORIZED HEARING NUMBER 48, AND THEN WE'LL CIRCLE BACK TO, UH, THE CASE NUMBER THREE.
OKAY, SO, UM, THIS IS A NORTH, UH, CLIFF NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AUTHORIZED HEARING, UM, CASE NUMBER Z 1 8 9 DASH 1 27.
UM, I'M SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE AUTHORIZED HEARING TEAM HERE.
THIS REQUEST, UH, IS A CITY PLAN COMMISSION AUTHORIZED HEARING TO DETERMINE THE PROPER ZONING ON A PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA TWO, IN CONSERVATION DISTRICT NUMBER EIGHT, THE NORTH CLIFF, UH, CONSERVATION DISTRICT WITH CONSIDERATION TO BE GIVEN TO APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE AREA TO INCLUDE, BUT NOT LIMITED TO USE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND OTHER APPROPRIATE REGULATIONS.
UM, THIS IS LOCATED ALONG BOTH SIDES OF PIERCE STREET, BETWEEN THE ALLEY NORTH OF GLADSTONE, DRIVE TO THE NORTH AND CATHERINE STREET TO THE SOUTH.
UM, AND THE SIZE IS APPROXIMATELY FIVE POINT, UH, 15 ACRES.
HERE WE HAVE A, A LOCATION MAP FOR YOU ALL TO VIEW.
UM, ON THE LEFT YOU SEE, UH, A, A VIEW OF THE ENTIRE CONSERVATION DISTRICT WITH THE SUB AREAS, UM, IDENTIFIED.
AND ON THE RIGHT WE HAVE A, A MORE DETAILED VIEW OF THE SUB AREA WITH THE STREETS IDENTIFIED.
SO SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION, UM, ON NOVEMBER 1ST, 2018, THE CPC UH, COM, THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION AUTHORIZED A HEARING TO DETERMINE PROPER ZONING FOR THE NORTH CLIFF NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE CATHERINE PIERCE TROLLEY STOP.
UH, THE WEST OAK CLIFF AREA PLAN WAS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 26TH, 2022.
UH, AND THIS SERVED AS A GUIDING, UH, AREA PLAN FOR THIS AUTHORIZED HEARING.
UM, THE WCAP PROCESS HELPED EVALUATE THE COMMUNITY'S LONG RANGE VISION FOR THE NORTH CLIFF NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, UH, AND THE AUTHORIZED HEARING AIMS TO IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF WCAP.
UM, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS IS CONSERVATION DISTRICT NUMBER EIGHT.
UH, THE NORTH CLIFF CONSERVATION DISTRICT WAS APPROVED ON AUGUST 28TH, 1996.
THE AUTHORIZED HEARING AREA IS ZONED SUB AREA TWO WITHIN THAT CONSERVATION DISTRICT, WHICH IS INTENDED TO ACCOMMODATE CONVENIENCE RETAIL SHOPPING SERVICES, UH, AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICES PRINCIPALLY SERVING AND COMPATIBLE IN SCALE AND INTENSITY OF USE WITH ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USES.
UM, THIS CONSERVATION DISTRICT OR THIS SUB AREA, DOES NOT ALLOW RESIDENTIAL USES, RETAIL OR RESTAURANT.
SO SOME OF THE EXISTING LAND USES WITHIN THIS CONSERVATION DISTRICT, UH, THERE ARE 15 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, ONE UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY, UM, THREE VACANT RETAIL BUILDINGS IN A CHURCH.
AND HERE WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS OF THOSE EXISTING LAND USES.
AND THIS IS A CHURCH VACANT LOTS, SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO THE, UH, WEST OAK CLIFF AREA PLAN WCAP, UM, RECOMMENDS, UH, FOUR PRIMARY, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE ZONING.
UM, ONE OF WHICH IS TO AMEND SUB AREA.
TWO, TO ALLOW A DUS AND LIVE WORK UNITS IN ADDITION TO EXISTING USES, INCLUDING SINGLE FAMILY USES, UH, AMEND SUB AREA TWO, TO ALLOW
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ART GALLERIES AND STUDIOS, PERSONAL SERVICE OFFICES AND RESTAURANTS IN ADDITION TO EXISTING USES, UM, MAINTAIN THE HEIGHT AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, UM, ALLOW FOR REDUCED PARKING RATIOS, SHARED PARKING AGREEMENTS WITH SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, AND ALLOWING ON STREETE PARKING TO COUNT TOWARDS REQUIREMENTS FOR COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES TO ENABLE EASIER REDEVELOPMENT OF LEGACY COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.SO, UM, UH, THESE NEXT FEW SLIDES WILL SHOW HOW STAFF'S PROPOSAL ALIGNS WITH THE WEST OAK CLIFF AREA PLAN.
SO FOR THE FIRST ONE, UM, STAFF IS PROPOSING TO ADD SINGLE FAMILY AND ACCESSORY USES, UH, SPECIFICALLY ACCESSORY OUTDOOR STORAGE DAY HOMES, UH, HOME OCCUPATION AND SWIMMING POOL, PRIVATE SWIMMING POOLS.
UM, WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO ADD, UH, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT ADU IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT OVERLAY IN SECTION 51 A DASH 4.1, FOUR POINT 10.
UH, SUBSECTION C OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING, UH, MINIMUM FLOOR AREA OF 200 SQUARE FEET.
UM, A MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA, UH, THE GREATER OF 700 SQUARE FEET OR 25% OF THE MAIN BUILDING.
UM, IT MAY NOT BE SOLD SEPARATELY FROM THE MAIN BUILDING.
UM, CANNOT BE LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE MAIN BUILDING AND CANNOT EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THE MAIN BUILDING.
AND IT ALSO WOULD REQUIRE ONE PARKING SPACE.
ADDITIONALLY, UM, TO MEET THAT FIRST ONE.
UM, STAFF IS ALSO PROPOSING TO ADD LIVE UNIT AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO, UH, ANY NON-RESIDENTIAL USE ALLOWED IN SUB AREA TWO, SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF 51 A DASH 4.2 17 SUBSECTION 8.1 SUMMARIZED BELOW.
UM, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE ONE ACCESSORY, UH, L UNIT PER LOT, UM, MAY BE ATTACHED OR DETACHED.
UM, IT CANNOT EXCEED THE FLOOR AREA OF THE MAIN USE.
UH, ONE ADDITIONAL OFF STREET PARKING SPACE WILL BE REQUIRED AND IT CANNOT BE SOLD SEPARATELY BY MEETS AND BOUNDS.
FOR THE SECOND ONE, UM, STAFF IS PROPOSING TO DEFINE ART GALLERY AND ART OR CRAFT PRODUCTION STUDIOS AND TO ALLOW PERSONAL SERVICE AND OFFICE USES, UH, WHICH ARE ALREADY ALLOWED IN SUB AREA TWO.
UM, WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO ADD GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE, UH, 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS.
UM, ADD RESTAURANTS WITHOUT DRIVE IN OR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE WITH RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY REVIEWS, LIMIT NON RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE PARCEL WHERE THEY EXIST TODAY.
UH, CURRENTLY ALLOWED THROUGH SUB AREA TWO AND REMOVE TEMPORARY CONCRETE BATCH AND MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION USES, WHICH, UH, THIS PROPOSAL REMOVES.
STAFF IS ALSO PROPOSING TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING HEIGHT AND SETBACKS, UM, AS CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT SUB AREA TWO.
AND SO WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
UM, CURRENTLY THE HEIGHT ALLOWS 30 FEET, UM, A FRONT YARD SETBACK OF 15 FEET AND NO REAR AND, UH, SIDE YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
AND FOR THE LAST ONE, UH, STAFF IS PROPOSING NO PARKING FOR EXISTING NON-RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES OR FOR NEW RES, NON-RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION THAT DOES NOT EXCEED THE FLOOR AREA OF THE EXISTING NON-RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
IT IS REPLACING, UH, AN ADDITION OF FLOOR AREA REQUIRES PARKING IN ACCORDANCE WITH OFF STREET PARKING AND LOADING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE USE.
UM, THE OPTION TO MEET STAFF IS ALSO PROPOSING THE OPTION TO MEET PARKING REQUIREMENTS THROUGH A REMOTE OR A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT, UH, WHICH CURRENTLY EXISTS.
UM, IF PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE ELIMINATED, UM, THROUGH THE PARKING REFORM THAT'S CURRENTLY GOING ON WITH THE CITY, UH, THE PARKING AGREEMENTS IN THE ALLOWANCE OF ON STREET PARKING TO COUNT TOWARDS PARKING REQUIREMENTS WILL NOT BE NECESSARY.
AND HERE IS A CON, UH, CONCEPTUAL DRAWING OF THE AREA FROM, UH, THE WEST OAK CLIFF AREA PLAN.
QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE.
SO TO CLARIFY, THE CURRENT NON-RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE REPLACED WITH RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION? CORRECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON YES, PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN? UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
UH, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, UH, HOW LARGE ARE THE CURRENT LOTS? UM, THE CURRENT LOTS ARE, UM, I'M, I'M NOT SURE THE EXACT DIMENSIONS, BUT THEY'RE APPROXIMATELY 6,500 SQUARE FEET.
THEY, THEY KIND OF FALL IN LINE WITH WHAT'S ALLOWED IN
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R 7.5 A, UH, TRADITIONAL, UM, LOT SIZE FOR THAT AREA.PLEASE, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.
UM, THE CHURCH THAT FALLS WITHIN THIS, UM, AREA, IS IT AN ACTIVE CHURCH OR IS IT A SITE THAT IS GONNA BE LIKELY, UM, AVAILABLE TO BE REDEVELOPED? I BELIEVE THAT THAT CHURCH IS ACTIVE, YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES, UH, BEING PROPOSED WITH THIS PLAN TO THE RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OTHER THAN THE ADUS? UM, SO I, THE MAIN PROPOSAL IS TO ALLOW THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE WITHIN THAT BOUNDARY TO EXIST BY RIGHT.
AND SO THAT'S THE PRIMARY CHANGE OF IT IN THE ADU.
BUT NO, NOTHING IN THE PLAN WILL, WILL GET RID OF THAT, THOSE RESIDENTIAL UNITS? CORRECT.
COMMISSIONER CHERNO, IT'S, IT'S TRUE THAT THE CURRENT CONDITIONS NOW IN THE ZONING DON'T ALLOW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
AND THE CHANGE WOULD THEN ALLOW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL FOR THOSE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ITEM? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GENTLEMEN.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, LET'S GO BACK TO CASE NUMBER THREE, MR. CHAIR? YES.
JUST ONE CLARIFICATION AS WE'RE PULLING THAT UP ON OUR LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA ITEM, UH, HANG ON.
49, I BELIEVE THAT'S IN COUNCIL DISTRICT 14, NOT SEVEN AS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.
IS THAT CORRECT OR I'M, I'M ASKING IF STAFF WOULD PLEASE CONFIRM THAT.
IT'S IN THE JU HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
OKAY, LET'S GO BACK TO THREE AND THEN WE'LL TAKE OUR BREAK.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO BRING THAT PRESENTATION BACK? I BELIEVE WE GOT THROUGH IT THIS MORNING.
YES, WE DO NEED TO BRIEF IT, PLEASE.
MAKE SURE I HAVE MY, CAN EVERYONE SEE THAT IN CHAMBER? YES, SIR, WE CAN.
THAT'S OF REQUEST FOR RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT 2269, THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CONVENIENCE STORE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF FORNEY ROAD AND SOUTH BUCKNER ROAD.
THAT'S LOCATED IN THE LI INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT WITH THE D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY.
THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRING THE SUP OVER HERE TOWARDS THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE CITY.
AND SEE IT'S AT THAT HARD CORNER OF SOUTH BUCKNER AND 40, UH, SURROUNDING ZONING AND LAND USES LI TO THE EAST, NORTH AND SOUTH, UH, MC ONE, MULTIPLE COMMERCIAL ACROSS SOUTH BUCKNER WITH AN UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY.
THERE ARE OFFICES AND SOME MISCELLANEOUS RETAIL IN THE AREA WITH, UH, A, UH, CADDY CORNER UNIT THAT IS SELLING, UH, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION.
UH, SIMILAR REQUEST, UH, TAKING A LOOK AT THE SITE VISIT, UH, LOOKING ACROSS SOUTH BUCKNER, UH, TOWARDS THE SITE, TAKING A LOOK, UH, ONCE ON THE SITE TOWARDS THE SOUTH, DOWN SOUTH BUCKNER.
DIDN'T CATCH A PHOTO LOOKING NORTH, BUT WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT CONTEXT.
UM, TAKING A LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, NO PROPOSED CHANGES FROM THE PREVIOUS RENEWAL.
UH, WITH THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, UH, WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS, SUBJECT TO ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WILL, DO YOU KNOW IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS WITHIN PROXIMITY WERE NOTIFIED? UM, I MEAN, DID THE APPLICANT TALK WITH ANY OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS? UM, POSSIBLY BUCKMAN TERRA.
I'M UNAWARE COMMISSIONER IF THEY HAVE.
I'M GONNA ASK TO HOLD THAT ON A ADVISEMENT UNTIL THE FIRST MEETING IN JAN, JANUARY, SO THAT WE CAN SPEAK WITH THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUBSTATION IN FEBRUARY.
WE WILL HOLD IT TO FEBRUARY 6TH.
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ANOTHER ADVISEMENT.UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER.
UH, CHAIRMAN SHADI, CAN I ASK A, UH, JUST A, A QUESTION, UH, OF, FORGIVE ME FOR MY LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, OF COURSE.
W WHEN, WHEN THEY HAVE, UH, APPROVAL FOR THE FIVE YEAR EXTENSION WITH, UH, ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL, DOES THAT MEAN THAT AFTER THE FIVE YEARS FOR THIS S-A-P-S-U-P, THAT THEY WOULD BE ON AUTOMATIC RENEWAL AFTER THAT? WHAT'S THE REQUEST? COULD YOU CLARIFY? I JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST EDUCATION.
IT'S JUST A GENERAL QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN AUTOMATIC RENEWALS YES.
UM, IT MEANS THAT IF THEY SUBMIT WITHIN THE WINDOW OF ELIGIBILITY TO SUBMIT FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS.
IT BECOMES AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW WITH STAFF.
WHEN WE REVIEW AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL SUP, WE REVIEW COMPLIANCE WITH THE SITE PLAN AND WITH THE CONDITIONS WE SEND LETTERS TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS 200 FEET WITHIN THE AREA OF REQUEST.
IF WE RECEIVE 20% OR MORE IN OPPOSITION, OR IF WE FIND NON-COMPLIANCE, WE AUTOMATICALLY SCHEDULE IT FOR CITY PLAN COMMISSION AND IT BECOMES A NORMAL SUP CASE.
THE WINDOW FOR THEM TO SUBMIT FOR THE ORDER RENEWAL IS 90 TO 120 DAYS BEFORE EXPIRATION.
I WON'T PUT A NUMBER ON IT FOR APPLICANTS TO MISS THAT WINDOW AND IT TURNS INTO A RENEWAL.
THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION.
UH, ANY OTHER ITEMS? COMMISSIONERS, SHALL WE TAKE OUR BREAK OR, UH, WE DO HAVE ONE QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT FOR DR.
DEAR COMMISSIONERS, I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IS THE TIME OF THE YEAR.
THE REGISTRATION FOR THE NATIONAL A PA CONFERENCE IS OPEN.
WE DO HAVE FUNDS SET ASIDE, UH, JUST FOR THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
I DIDN'T DO A MATH, BUT PROBABLY WE MAY BE ABLE TO SEND THREE, FOUR, EVEN MORE COMMISSIONERS, BUT WE WANNA SEE WHO'S INTERESTED FIRST.
THE NATIONAL AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION CONFERENCE THIS YEAR IS GONNA BE IN DENVER.
TABITHA KNOWS MARCH 29TH TO APRIL 1ST.
UM, AND IF YOU WANNA GO, JUST, I WOULD SAY EMAIL, LILIANA.
SHE'S GONNA CENTRALIZE THE NAMES AND NUMBERS AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW.
UM, HISTORICALLY, WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU BECAUSE AS I SAID, UH, CITY COUNCIL SET ASIDE FUNDS JUST FOR YOU.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, IT IS 11:49 AM THAT CONCLUDES THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAIN COMMISSION.
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JORGE, ARE WE RECORDING? WE ARE RECORDING.CAN YOU PLEASE START US OFF WITH A ROLL CALL MS. LOPEZ? GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER SCHOCK, DISTRICT TWO.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT PRESENT, DISTRICT FOUR.
COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, DISTRICT FIVE.
COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN PRESENT? DISTRICT NINE.
DISTRICT 14, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND PLACE 15 VICE CHAIR RUBEN, I'M HERE.
GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
WELCOME TO THE, UH, HEARING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
TODAY IS JANUARY 23RD, 2020 5, 12 35.
UH, A COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES, UH, EACH SPEAKER WILL GET THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
UH, ON CASES WHERE WE DO HAVE OPPOSITION PER OUR RULES, THE APPLICANT WILL GET A, UH, TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL.
UH, OUR RULES ALSO ALLOW US TO ADJUST THE, UH, THE SPEAKER TIMELINE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
AND IN CASES WHERE WE HAVE, UH, USUALLY AROUND 15 SPEAKERS OR SO, WE'LL SHAVE THAT DOWN TO ONE MINUTE PER SPEAKER.
WE WILL HAVE SOME SPEAKERS ONLINE.
I'LL PLEASE REMIND ALL OUR FOLKS ONLINE.
THAT STATE LAW REQUIRES US TO SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.
SO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CAMERA IS ON AND WORKING AND I'LL REMIND ALL SPEAKERS TO PLEASE, UH, BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
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UH, ALSO FOR THOSE OF YOU HERE IN THE CHAMBER WITH US, WE DO HAVE THESE LITTLE YELLOW CARS DOWN HERE AT THE TABLE AT THE BOTTOM TO YOUR RIGHT AT SOME POINT, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU GRAB ONE OF THESE AND FILL IT OUT SO WE CAN HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR VISIT WITH US HERE TODAY.AND WITH THAT, WELCOME, WE LOOK FORWARD TO
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HEARING FROM YOU.WE'RE GONNA START WITH OUR, UH, ZONING CASES, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS CONSISTING OF CASES TWO THROUGH 12 AT THIS POINT, UH, CASES 5, 6, 10, 11, 12, AND NUMBER THREE HAVE COME OFF CONSENT.
THEY WILL BE DISPOSED OF INDIVIDUALLY.
THAT LEAVES CASES 2, 4, 7, 8, AND NINE THAT WILL BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION, UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE CASES.
IT'S BEGINNING ON PAGE TWO OF THE AGENDA.
IF YOU'D LIKE AN AGENDA, WE DO HAVE SOME COPIES DOWN HERE.
WELL, ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON CASES 2, 4, 7, 8, OR NINE.
OKAY, LET'S GET THOSE RIGHT INTO THE RECORD PLEASE.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR NUMBER 2 4 3 OH FOR A BAIL BONDS OFFICE ON PROPERTY ZONE WITHIN THE MIXED MASTER RIVERFRONT SUBDISTRICT OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 7 84, THE TRINITY RIVER CORRIDOR SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE EAST LINE OF SOUTH RIVERFRONT BOULEVARD, SOUTH OF REUNION BOULEVARD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
ITEM FOUR IS Z 2 3 4 2 18 AND APPLICATION FOR THE AMENDMENT TWO AND RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT 2 4 6 9 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISER.
FOODS WHO ARE GREATER THAN, OR EXCUSE ME, 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON PROPERTY ZONED IN NSD ONE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF ELAM ROAD IN PLEASANT DRIVE.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AMENDED SITE PLAN AND AMENDED CONDITIONS.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN R FIVE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED NC NEIGHBOR, COMMERCIAL SUB DISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 9 5 9 5 SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF LAGO STREET BETWEEN CANAL STREET AND SPRING AVENUE.
APPROVAL ITEM EIGHT IS Z 2 3 4 3 18.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SUB AREA A WITH PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 7 9 7 5 ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF JORDAN HIGHLAND HILLS DRIVE, SOUTH AMERICA.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
AND NINE IS AN IS Z 2, 3, 4, 3, 2, 1.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE IN LI LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF COMPTON STREET, WEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF COMPTON STREET AND GLIDDEN STREET.
ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THESE FIVE CASES? 2, 4, 7, 8 OR NINE.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES IN THE MATTER OF THE SUB OF THE, UH, ZONING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 2, 4, 7, 8, AND NINE.
I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL AS IT APPEARS IN THE DOCKET.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION AND VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[3. 25-315A An application for the renewal of Specific Use Permit No. 2269 for the sale of alcoholic beverages in conjunction with a general merchandise or food store 3,500 square feet or less on property zoned an LI-D-1 Light Industrial District with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay, on the northeast corner of South Buckner Boulevard and Forney Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a five-year period with eligibility for automatic renewals for additional five-year periods, subject to amended conditions. Applicant: Bert & Bob Investment Co. Representative: Andrew Ruegg, MASTERPLAN Planner: Connor Roberts Council District: 7 Z234-111(CR)]
NOW GO TO CASE NUMBER THREE.CAN YOU HEAR ME? CAN WE HEAR YOU? EXCELLENT.
ITEM THREE IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH ONE 11 AND APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2269 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE.
3,500 SQUARE FEET LESS ON PROPERTY ZONED AN LID ONE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTH BUTNER BOULEVARD AND FORNEY ROAD STAFF'S.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE-YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO AMENDING CONDITIONS.
ANDREW REIG, UH, 2201 MAIN STREET HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, UH, FOR THIS SEP RENEWAL REQUEST.
UH, WE HAD JUST A QUICK NOTE ON THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST.
UH, WE HAD ORIGINALLY RECEIVED, UM,
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UH, THE PREVIOUS SEP AUTOMATIC RENEWAL APPROVAL DOCUMENTATION FROM STAFF THAT NOTED THAT THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.UM, WE SUBMITTED AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR THIS AND THEN WE'RE TOLD BY STAFF THAT THERE WAS ACTUALLY AN ERROR IN THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL DOCUMENTATION SITTING THAT IT WAS ONLY ELIGIBLE FOR ONE PARTICULAR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY, UH, GETTING THEM BACK ON TRACK FOR THIS PARTICULAR STORE, UH, UNDER THE REGULAR RENEWAL PROCESS.
AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS SHOULD THERE BE ANY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR MR. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE.
HAVE THERE BEEN ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE NEIGHBOR AND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, BUCKNER TERRACE, UH, UM, RELATED TO THIS ITEM? YES, WE HAD SOME, UH, EMAIL COMMUNICATION WITH, UH, BUCKNER TERRACE.
I BELIEVE THEY ARE SUPPORTIVE OF A, UH, SUP REQUEST, BUT WITHOUT AUTOMATIC RENEWAL, UH, AS AN AVAIL AVAILABLE OPTION.
SO I HADN'T HEARD ANY, DO YOU KNOW, UM, DO YOU KNOW IF THEY SENT ANYTHING AS, AS FAR AS RELATED TO THAT OR, UM, WE HAD SOME COMMUNICATION WITH DANIEL, UH, WITH BUCKNER TERRACE.
UH, JUST STATING THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE PARTICULAR REQUEST.
I DO KNOW THAT THEY JUST ARE, I THINK THEY WANT TO SEE IT GO THROUGH THE RENEWAL PROCESS AND WE'RE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF AUTOMATIC RENEWALS.
THAT WAS, UH, MR. DANIEL WOODS COMMISSIONERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF CASE NUMBER, UM, Z 2 3 4 DASH 1 1 1.
I'M MOVED TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS, UH, ITEM UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL THE FEBRUARY 6TH, UM, MEETING SO THAT I MIGHT CAN MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, UH, WHEELER FOR YOUR MOTION.
UH, ANY COMMENTS? NO, JUST WE WANNA, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, UM, THAT THEY HAVE MADE WITH THE COMMUNITY.
'CAUSE I HAVEN'T USUALLY, UM, DANIEL DOES SEND SOMETHING.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
UH, SEEING NO FURTHER COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[5. 25-317A An application for the renewal of Specific Use Permit No. 1883 for the sale of alcoholic beverages in conjunction with a general merchandise or food store 3,500 square feet or less on property zoned a CS-D-1 Commercial Service District with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay, on the east corner of South Belt Line Road and C.F. Hawn Freeway. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a five-year period with eligibility for automatic renewals for additional five-year periods, subject to conditions and site plan. Applicant: SEJ Asset Management & Investment Company Representative: Andrew Ruegg, MASTERPLAN Planner: Connor Roberts Council District: 8 Z234-270(CR)]
PASSES.ITEM FIVE IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH TWO 70.
AND APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1883 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE.
3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON PROPERTY ZONE CS D ONE COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE EAST CORNER OF SOUTH BELTLINE ROAD AND CF HAN FREEWAY STAFF'S.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
AND THE SITE PLAN, I SEE THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
ANDREW REIG, 2201 MAIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS M 5 2 0 1.
UH, THIS IS ANOTHER SUP RENEWAL REQUEST WITH SEVEN 11.
UM, WE AGAIN HAD A SIMILAR ISSUE ON THE THINKING.
THIS WAS AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL AND SUBMITTED FOR THAT, UH, THE CITY'S ZONING MAP INDICATED THAT THIS AUTOMATIC RENEWAL WAS ELIGIBLE, UH, SUBMITTED THAT AND THEN WE'RE TOLD BY STAFF LATER THAT THERE WAS AN ERROR IN THE CITY'S ZONING MAP.
SO AGAIN, HERE IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, TO GET SEVEN 11 BACK ON TRACK FOR THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST.
UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER HERBERT, IF YOU HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APP? UM, YEAH, ACTUALLY CHAIR, I HAD CONFUSED WITH FOUR, BUT NEITHER HERE, THERE, UM, I THINK I, I'VE SEEN THE SITE AND THEY, THEY'RE DOING A GOOD JOB.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER? I I THINK IT'S A HIGH TRAFFIC AREA.
UM, IT'S, IT'S CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL.
UM, SO YES, THERE WAS A LOT OF CRIME THERE, BUT I KNOW OUR PURVIEW AND CRIME AND THERE'S JUST A LOT THERE.
BUT YEAH, AS FAR AS MY CONCERNS WERE A LOT OF THE EXTERIOR FACADE, UM, AND FROM MY OPINION, YEAH.
PLEASE, COMMISSIONER, WE'RE THAT, IS THIS QUESTIONS FOR, IS THIS FOR FIVE, RIGHT? YES.
UM, I THINK I'M SO WORRIED ABOUT CRIME.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, OR ARE, UM, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THEY'RE CONTROLLING THE, UM,
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SO HIGH HOMELESS, UH, POPULATION? THERE IS, THEY ARE.DO, IS THERE ANYTHING IN PLACE TO CONTROL OF THE HANGING OUT OR ANY OF THAT THAT'S COMING FROM? I DON'T THINK THE CRIME ITSELF, I THINK IT'S BECAUSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE AREA ALTOGETHER.
AND I'LL, I'LL ADDRESS THAT HERE BRIEFLY.
UM, THIS IS AT A MAJOR INTERSECTION ON LINE CF HA.
THERE IS A BIT OF A, UH, TRANSIENT POPULATION IN THAT AREA.
SEVEN ELEVEN'S POLICY IS TO, YOU KNOW, GENTLY SAY, HEY, YOU GUYS CAN'T BE ON OUR PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
UM, THAT MIGHT BE RELATED TO SOME OF THE CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT THAT'S GENERALLY THEIR POLICY IS TO, YOU KNOW, NOT ESCALATE ANY SITUATIONS AND ASK, UM, PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT PATRONS OF THE PARTICULAR STORE TO, UH, LEAVE THE PROPERTY.
DO THEY HAVE ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT, UM, THAT, UH, PARTICULAR, I KNOW SOME SEVEN ELEVENS HAVE CERTAIN HOURS, THEIR LAW ENFORCEMENT IS THERE, DO THEY HAVE ANY THOSE THEY HAVE THAT IN PLACE? UM, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY IF THEY HAVE LIKE A PARTICULAR, UM, UH, LIKE A SPECIFIC CONTACT FOR THIS STORE.
IF IT'S MORE OF JUST A GENERAL, IF SITUATIONS ESCALATE, THEY'LL MAKE A, YOU KNOW, A CALL FOR SERVICE.
UM, BUT I I I'M NOT SURE IF THERE, THERE'S A, A SPECIFIC CONTACT THEY HAVE WITH THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT TO, YOU KNOW, HELP WITH THOSE KINDS OF SITUATIONS.
IS THERE COMMUNICATION WITH THE NEIGHBOR HOOD, UH, ASSOCIATION THAT'S IN THAT AREA? WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE KIND OF, THEY ARE, YEAH.
CLE WE'VE HAD COMMUNICATION WITH, UH, CLE BIRD, RILEY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THIS, UH, REQUEST.
AND, UH, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH IT, UM, FOR THE, FOR THE RENEWAL.
I HAVE ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP FOR YOU, MR. REIG.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M WONDERING JUST IF YOU, UH, SINCE YOU HANDLE A LOT OF THESE, IF, IF YOU NOTICE THE PATTERN IN THIS PART OF TOWN WHERE, UH, CONVENIENCE STORES THAT KIND OF ABUT 1 75, THERE TEND TO HAVE ELEVATED NUMBERS, AND THE FURTHER YOU GET AWAY FROM 1 75, IT SEEMS THAT, UH, WE HAVE A DECLINE IN THESE KINDS OF THINGS.
UH, AND THEY SEEM TO BE A LITTLE BIT, UH, HOTTER AREAS THERE RIGHT OFF 1 75 ALL UP AND DOWN.
IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU'VE SEEN FROM, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, YES.
AND JUST ANOTHER KIND OF NOTE, SINCE I'VE HANDLED A LOT OF THESE CONVENIENCE STORES, PARTICULARLY SEVEN ELEVENS, UM, I, I'LL FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE, THERE IS A, THERE IS A TRANSIENT POPULATION THAT'S IN THE AREA OFF CFO.
YOU TYPICALLY SEE LESS ONCE YOU GET OFF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES.
AND THEN, UM, CERTAIN STORES THAT ARE LOCATED ON THE HARD CORNER OF THESE INTERSECTIONS, SOMETIMES THOSE CALLS FOR SERVICE AREN'T NECESSARILY RELATED TO THAT PARTICULAR STORE FOR AN INCIDENT, BUT RATHER, YOU KNOW, I THINK I SAW LIKE ROAD RAGE ON, UH, THE LIST AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE PULL IN TO THE NEAREST AVAILABLE, UM, SAFE SPOT TO MAKE A CALL AND THAT'S WHERE THE CALL GETS ASSIGNED TO IS KIND OF SOME OF THE, THE THINGS I'VE PICKED UP ON, UM, IN DOING THESE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMERS, PLEASE.
UH, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR EMPLOYEES AT SEVEN 11 TO WANT TO DEESCALATE THE SITUATION AND DON'T WANT TO MAKE THINGS WORSE, UH, THAN IT, IT COULD BE.
UM, BUT THE, THE APPROACH THAT SEVEN 11 IS TAKING, HAVE YOU ALL FOUND IT TO BE EFFECTIVE? AND IF NOT, WHAT OTHER MITIGATING FACTORS, UH, COULD SEVEN 11 IMPLEMENT TO KEEP THE TRANSIT POPULATION, UH, FROM THAT SPOT IN IMPACTING CUSTOMERS GOING TO IN AND OUT? I THINK THEIR, THEIR CURRENT, UM, POLICY, WHICH IS REALLY JUST NOT TO TRY TO ESCALATE THE SITUATIONS AND SAY, HEY, ARE YOU GUYS, UH, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU DON'T, SOMETIMES YOU DON'T KNOW, UM, WHO'S COMING IN THE STORE.
IT'S A, YOU KNOW, CONVENIENCE STORES HAVE A HIGH TURNOVER RATE.
IF IT'S SOMEONE PATRONIZING THE STORE BUYING SOMETHING, THEY'RE, THEY'RE A CUSTOMER, UM, OR PURCHASING FUEL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE A CUSTOMER.
UM, SO I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE AND IN OTHER CONVENIENCE STORES THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UM, IF IT'S WARRANTED TO BRING ADDITIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ON, UM, THE SITE, THEN I THINK THEY CAN MAKE THOSE CONTACTS.
BUT AS, AS FAR AS ANYTHING SPECIFIC FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T, I I HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD OF ANY SPECIFIC STRATEGY.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY, THEY'RE NOT TRYING ANYTHING NEW? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, REALLY JUST ENSURING THAT THEY HAVE A SAFE SPACE FOR, FOR THEIR, UH, CUSTOMERS AND THAT THEY'RE NOT CREATING, UH, ADDITIONAL ISSUES BY, YOU KNOW, ESCALATING TENSE SITUATIONS IF THEY DO COME UP.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS? OH, REALLY QUICK, PLEASE.
MR. RU, UM, PASSING ASIDE, I KNOW IT'S WINTERTIME AND UM, THINGS HAVE FAILED IN REGARDS TO
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FLUSHNESS OF GARDEN AND LANDSCAPING, BUT HAVE YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT YOUR, WITH YOUR TEAM IN THAT COMMUNITY, UM, THAT STORE OWNER ABOUT UPDATING HIS LANDSCAPING? UM, OFTEN TREES HAVE DIED FROM WHAT, HOW IT BEGAN WHEN THEY BUILT IT IS DEFINITELY DIFFERENT NOW, UM, FROM MY PERSONAL OPINION.UM, HOW CAN THEY BRING BACK THE ROBUSTNESS OF THEIR LANDSCAPING, UM, AS THEY MOVE FORWARD? YEAH, AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE LOOK AT ON A LOT OF THESE STORES IS ENSURING THE LANDSCAPINGS, UM, UP TO ARTICLE 10, I KNOW THIS PARTICULAR STORE HAS SOME, UH, MATURE TREES THAT WERE PLANTED, UH, I BELIEVE, UH, WHEN THE STORE WAS ORIGINALLY OPENED BACK IN 2011.
UM, SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY ENSURING THAT THOSE TREE UH, TREES AND LANDSCAPE LANDSCAPING ITEMS ARE, UM, STILL IN PLACE WHEN WE GO THROUGH THESE RENEWALS AND LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, UH, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, SO THE SUP IS ONLY RELATED TO THE ALCOHOL, SO THE ALCOHOL WASN'T THERE.
YOU STILL COULD, THE STORE WOULD, THE STORE ITSELF DOESN'T NEED A SUP, AM I CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
SO IT'S ONLY RELATED TO THE ALCOHOL, UM, UH, RELATED TO THIS.
HA HAVE, DO YOU KNOW IF YOUR, UM, AGAIN, ALONG THE MAJOR CORRIDORS, UM, TRAVEL PLAZA, CFR QUITE OFTEN, AND THERE IS HOMELESS UNDER AVERY BRIDGE AS FAR AS YOU CAN GO DOWN 1 75, WHICH WASN'T TYPICALLY THERE ALREADY IN THE PAST.
UM, HAVE YOU, DO YOU KNOW IF THE APPLICANT HAS REACHED OUT TO, UM, UH, HOMELESS SOLUTIONS TO MAYBE TEAM WITH THEM OR BE OPEN TO THAT SUGGESTION WITH THE CITY HOMELESS SOLUTIONS TO, TO, TO HELP WITH, WITH THAT AT THEIR SITE? YEAH, I'M, I'M NOT AWARE IF THEY HAVE, BUT I, I DO LIKE THAT IDEA AND I CAN CERTAINLY PASS THAT ALONG SINCE I'M DEALING WITH A LOT OF THESE STORES, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND SOME OF 'EM HAVE, YOU KNOW, ISSUES SIMILAR TO, TO THIS STORE.
SO I'M HAPPY TO PASS THAT INFORMATION ALONG TO, UH, UH, JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, EACH STORE HAS AN AREA LEADER, WHICH IS KIND OF, UH, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT SEVEN 11 SPECIFICALLY, UH, HAS AN AREA LEADER THAT IS KIND OF RESPONSIBLE FOR OVERSEEING THAT PARTICULAR STORE.
SO I WORK CLOSELY WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE EVERYTHING IN LINE WHEN THESE RENEWALS DO COME UP.
SO I'LL, I'LL CERTAINLY BRING THAT UP.
AND THIS STORE IS NOT, UH, IS NOT SURROUNDED SO MUCH BY, UM, BY RESIDENTIALS.
SO THE HANGING IS PRETTY MUCH BECAUSE OF WHAT, UH, WHAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
IN YOUR BELIEF, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT Y YEAH, THIS PARTICULAR STORE IS IN A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.
I DON'T THINK I JUST FLIPPED OVER TO THE AERIAL MAP.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, WITHIN 500 FEET OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, A MILE OR SO.
UM, SO THIS IS A COMMERCIAL AREA AND IT'S REALLY JUST ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU SAID, UH, PARTICULARLY ON CFO AND EVERY, EVERY UNDERPASS.
UH, JUST HAS SOME TRANSIENT POPULATIONS, UM, AND IT'S OFF RIGHT OFF THE HIGHWAY, SO THAT CAN CREATE ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, CALLS FOR SERVICE AND UM, THI THINGS LIKE THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. RUAG? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? UH, YES, MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 DASH 2 7 0, UH, MOVE TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE, UH, THE SPEC, THE SPECIFIC PERMIT IS APPROVED FOR FIVE YEARS WITH NO ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER WHEELER? UM, I JUST WILL RECOMMEND, UM, ESPECIALLY ALONG OUR CORRIDORS WHERE CONVENIENCE STORES COULD BE HIGHLY AFFECTED AND CAN APPEAR TO BE THAT THE ISSUE IS THAT THE, THE OWNER DOES NOT CARE TO REACH OUT TO HOMELESS, UH, SOLUTIONS.
UM, AND, AND, AND KIND KEEP A DIALOGUE WITH THAT SO THAT IN THE FUTURE WHEN COMING BACK, THEY CAN SHOW THAT THEY HAVE MADE EFFORTS TO, UM, ENSURE THAT IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT DIRECTLY AFFECTING, THAT THEIR STORE IS NOT DIRECTLY DOING, BUT IT'S ANOTHER DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY CAN HELP THEM OUT TO KINDA REDUCE WHATEVER CRIME OR POLICE CALLS THAT THEY HAVE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE HIGHLY, UH, ESPECIALLY ALONG CF ON PRETTY MUCH ALL OUR FREEWAYS RIGHT NOW.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS? YES.
UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT? UM, YES, JUST WANTED TO MENTION, UM, A NO TRESPASSING AGREEMENT WITH THE POLICE OFFICE.
UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT MAY BE HELPFUL TO THIS TEAM.
UM, I AGREE WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE, UM, SEVEN 11.
IT'S BUILT TO REFLECT THE COMMUNITY.
UM, I JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT, UM, IT'S BEAUTIFIED
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IN, IN MY EXPERIENCE IN RESEARCH, THE BETTER THE LANDSCAPE, THE CLEANER THE PROPERTY, THE LESS TRANSIENT ACTIVITY YOU HAVE.SO, UM, LOOK AT THAT AS AN EFFORT TO, UH, REDUCE SOME OF THE, THE PROBLEMS YOU HAVE AS WELL.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, SINGLE.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, BUT WITHOUT ELIGIBILITY FOR ALL AUTOMATIC RENEWALS.
[6. 25-318A An application for a Planned Development District for TH-3(A) Townhouse District uses on property zoned an R-7.5(A) Single Family District, on the southeast line of Ferguson Road, between Hibiscus Drive and Pasteur Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a conceptual plan and conditions. Applicant: Karrington Realty Representative: Jennifer Hiromoto Planner: Martin Bate Council District: 7 Z234-311(MB)]
ALRIGHT, UM, NUMBER SIX, AND I BELIEVE WE DO NEED THAT BRIEFED MR. BATE.THIS IS ITEM Z 2 3 4 DASH THREE 11.
AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR TH THREE.
A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT USES ON PROPERTIES ZONE IN R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT.
IT'S ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF FERGUSON ROAD BETWEEN HIBISCUS DRIVE AND PASTURA AVENUE, APPROXIMATELY FOUR ACRES IN SIZE.
UH, HERE WE SEE IT ON THE LOCATION, SORT OF THE FAR EASTERN PART OF, UH, THE CITY.
HERE'S AN AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE SITE, UH, THE ZONING MAP.
AS WE SEE, THERE'S A SURROUNDING OF VARIOUS RESIDENTIAL USES.
UH, THERE'S AN MF TWO, A DISTRICT TO THE SOUTH AND EAST, AN R 7.5, A DISTRICT THAT IS PART OF TO THE NORTH NORTHWEST R 7.5 A FURTHER TO THE SOUTH, AND THEN PD 1105 TO THE WEST SOUTHWEST, UH, WHICH INCLUDES A PRIVATE SCHOOL, DAYCARE, A LIBRARY, AND ALSO A CHURCH.
UH, THE SURROUNDING USES IT IS A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL USES WITH MULTIFAMILY CHURCHES IN THE MEDIA VICINITY.
THE SITE ALSO HAS AN SUP FOR A CELLULAR TOWER.
UH, THE SITE IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED FOR THE CHURCH.
THE APPLICANT WISHES TO DEVELOP A DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY AS A SHARED ACCESS DEVELOPMENT DUE TO SOME OF THE SAD OR SHARED ACCESS DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
UH, THEY LIMIT THE NUMBER OF LOTS THAT ARE ALLOWED IN AN SAD BELOW WHAT THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO BUILD.
AS SUCH, THEY'RE REQUESTING A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
UH, HERE'S A PHOTO ON HIBISCUS DRIVE LOOKING NORTHEAST, AND I'LL JUST TAKE YOU KIND OF THROUGH A TOUR HERE OF THE SITE.
LOOKING NORTH ON HIBISCUS, THEN LOOKING NORTHWEST AT THE SITE, LOOKING NORTH TOWARDS THE SITE.
AND WE'RE DOWN AT THE SOUTH CORNER OF THAT.
AND YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE SALT TOWER THERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE LOOKING EAST.
UH, THIS IS THAT MF TWO, A DISTRICT THAT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT.
ASCENT, THEN LOOKING WEST ACROSS THE WAY IS, UH, SOME NEW DEVELOPMENT GOING ON THERE.
I BELIEVE IT IS RETIREMENT HOUSING.
THEN LOOKING NORTH NORTHWEST HERE, WE'RE ON SITE LOOKING SOUTHEAST AGAIN AT THAT NEIGHBORING MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
THEN LOOKING NORTHEAST, UH, THIS IS STILL ON THE SITE AND THERE'S THAT CELL TOWER AS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY.
THEN ON SITE LOOKING SOUTHWEST TOWARDS HIBISCUS, LOOKING NORTH NORTHWEST ON SITE, LOOKING NORTHEAST, NORTHEAST HERE, WE'RE ON FERGUSON, LOOKING SOUTH AND LOOKING WEST ALONG FERGUSON AND LOOKING NORTH ACROSS THE WAY THERE WE SEE ONE OF THOSE CHURCHES LOOKING NORTHEAST.
UH, HERE'S SOME OF THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS.
SO THERE ARE SOME ENHANCEMENTS WHICH ARE DEFINED AS BEING STRICTER THAN WHAT IS UH, PERMITTED IN THE BASE DISTRICT.
WE ARE HAVING A FRONT YARD SETBACK OF FIVE FEET MINIMUM AND SIDE YARD SETBACK OF FIVE FEET MINIMUM.
TWO STORIES, MAXIMUM HEIGHT OR TWO STORIES MAX.
FOR THE STORIES DEVIATIONS WHERE THEY ARE MORE PERMISSIVE IN THE BASE DISTRICT INCLUDE THE DWELLING UNIT DENSITY, WHICH IS AT 53 UNITS, WHICH IS ABOUT 13 DING UNITS PER ACRE.
INCREASE IN LOT COVERAGE AND A DECREASE IN LOT SIZE.
UH, OTHER PROVISIONS ARE FOR SHARED ACCESS IS THAT 53 LOTS MAY BE SHARED BY FOUR SHARED ACCESS POINTS.
UH, THERE'S ALSO SOME DESIGN STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED HERE.
THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR INTERNAL SIDEWALKS WITH A MINIMUM WIDTH OF FOUR FEET ON AT LEAST ONE SIDE OF THOSE INTERNAL ACCESS DRIVES.
AND A REQUIREMENT FOR SIX FOOT SIDEWALK WITH FIVE FOOT WIDE BUFFERS ON THE PUBLIC STREET FRONTAGES.
THERE'S ALSO A REQUIREMENT FOR PEDESTRIAN SCALE LIGHTING ALONG THOSE STREET FRONTAGES AND THAT THEY'RE DOWN ORIENTED SUCH THAT IT'S NOT FLOODING LIGHT INTO THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
AND A REQUIREMENT FOR 6,000 SQUARE FEET OF OPEN SPACE WITH OUR TYPICAL DEFINITIONS OF WHAT OPEN SPACE IS.
HERE'S THE PHOTO, OR NOT PHOTO, BUT A SCREENSHOT OF THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AS PROPOSED.
SO WE SEE 53 LOTS, 22 FOOT ACCESS DRIVES, UH, WITH THE CONFIGURATION WITH THE OPEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE.
AND THEN AGAIN THAT LITTLE CELL TOWER THERE ON THE RIGHT.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
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MR. BATE, AM I READING THIS CORRECTLY, THAT ALONG FERGUSON ROAD, UM, THEY'D BE ALLOWED TO PUT AN EIGHT FOOT SOLID WOODEN FENCE ALONG THAT ENTIRE STREET FRONTAGE? YES.DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERN ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE STREET ACTIVATION, THE SAFETY, THE, THE LIVABILITY OF A, OF A, OF THAT STREET FACING FACADE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE FIVE FOOT PLANT, YOU HAVE FERGUSON ROAD, YOU HAVE THE FIVE FOOT PLANTING STRIP, A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK, AND THEN AN EIGHT FOOT WOODEN FENCE WITH THE BACKYARDS OF, OF TOWN HOMES.
AND THE QUESTION IS, ARE CON THERE CONCERN AROUND ACTIVATION THAT SEEM TO BE A A A A GROUND FLOOR ACTIVATING? I MEAN, DOES IT RE DOES IT MEET ANY STANDARDS FOR WALKABILITY AND, YOU KNOW, ACTIVATION IN TERMS OF PEDESTRIAN ACTIVATION? I WOULD SAY THAT IT IS A LITTLE, I WOULD SAY THAT IT IS NOT IDEAL TO HAVE THAT AMOUNT OF SCREENING AWAY FROM THE, UH, FROM THE STREET AND WHATNOT.
UH, WE DID DISCUSS THIS WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEY SHARE THAT THEIR CONCERN IS GIVEN, I THINK SOME OF WHAT'S IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THERE WAS, I THINK, CONCERN ABOUT SOME TRANSIENT POPULATIONS THAT ARE NEARBY THE DESIRE THE DEVELOPERS TO HAVE MORE OF THE DEVELOPMENT FACING INWARD AND HAVING SOME OF THE SCREENING.
UH, FOR, I GUESS FOR THE PURPOSES OF WHAT THE DESIRES OF THE POTENTIAL OWNERS HERE WOULD BE, I DO THINK THAT HAVING A CLOSER FRONT YARD AND REDUCING THE, UH, FENCING WOULD CERTAINLY PROVIDE GREATER PEDESTRIAN ACTIVATION ALONG FERGUSON ROAD.
UH, ONE OF THE, NOT CONCESSIONS, BUT ONE OF THE ITEMS WE CAME TO AGREEMENT UPON WAS THE PROVISIONING OF THESE SIDEWALKS.
UH, WHERE ORIGINALLY THERE WAS NO PROVISION FOR THE SIDEWALKS.
UH, WE DID FEEL THAT GIVEN THE AREA PLAN FOR THIS, THE TWO POINTS TO WHITE ROCK EAST AREA PLAN MM-HMM
IT DOES CALL FOR THIS TO BE AN URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH HAS A GENERALLY MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT.
AND WE FELT THAT IF YOU AT LEAST GET THE SIDEWALKS PUT IN THERE TO INCREASE SOME OF THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, HAVING THE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED LIGHTING, IT DOES PROVIDE AT LEAST A BIT OF A COMPROMISE BETWEEN SOME OF THE SCREENING THAT'S PROVIDED ALONG FERGUSON VERSUS DOING ALL THAT WITHOUT ANY SIDEWALKS.
WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OF ALTERNATE FENCING MATERIAL, MAYBE COMBINATION OF MASONRY AND WOOD OR WITH PERHAPS SOME DEGREE OF OPENNESS TO, TO NOT HAVE THAT FORBIDDING 350? MY ESTIMATE OF 350 FEET OF SOLID WOOD FENCE, UH, THAT HAD NOT BEEN DISCUSSED? NO.
BUT WE WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO A, A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SCREENING.
AND THEN ON THE, UH, OTHER STREET FRONTAGES, PAST AND HIBISCUS, IT WOULD BASICALLY BE THE SAME CONFIGURATION, BUT THE FENCE HEIGHT WOULD BE SIX FEET INSTEAD OF EIGHT FEET, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
UM, MOVING ON TO OPEN SPACE, I MEAN, THIS IS FOUR ACRES OF, UM, LAND, SO 174,240 SQUARE FEET AND THEY'RE PROPOSING 6,000 SQUARE FOOT OF OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS LIKE WHAT, THREE, THREE AND A HALF PERCENT.
WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT BEING AN AN AN, AN INADEQUATE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE FOR 53 UNITS OF HOUSING? YES, WE INITIALLY DISCUSSED TRYING TO GO WITH THE INITIAL, THE, THE STANDARD 10% REQUIREMENT MM-HMM
UH, THAT WE OFTEN SEE WITH OUR MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE GENERALLY DO LIKE TO SEE THE 10%.
UH, THE APPLICANT INDICATED THAT THEIR CONSTRAINTS OF, I GUESS FOR FINANCING FOR DEVELOPMENT AND ALL THAT, FOR HOW MUCH THEY WOULD LIKE TO BUILD ON THE SITE, UH, THAT WAS THE MOST THAT THEY COULD PROVIDE FOR OPEN SPACE.
ARE THEY, UM, IN THE, UH, IN THE REPORT, IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, IT, IT ALLUDES TO SOME, UH, DEVIATION FROM THE STANDARDS FOR LANDSCAPING.
BUT IN THE ACTUAL PD IT LOOKS AS IF THEY'RE PLANNING TO MEET THE PROVISIONS OF ARTICLE 10, ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET A 15% LANDSCAPE AREA WITH THIS CONCEPTUAL PLAN? 'CAUSE THAT'S THE NORMAL REQUIREMENT FOR A SHARED ACCESS DEVELOPMENT OF THEY, SO 15% OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT, LANDSCAPE AREA.
UH, YES, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO MEET THAT.
UH, THE CITY ARBORIST HAS REVIEWED THE, UH, MOST RECENT, UH, PLANS FOR IT AND THEY SAID THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO MEET IT.
UH, MOVING ON TO THE SHARED ACCESS DRIVES AND THE HEIGHT, UH, THE SHARED ACCESS DRIVES HERE ARE 22 FEET, WHICH MR. NAVAREZ TELLS ME IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE NUMBER OF UNITS HERE.
HOWEVER, UH, WITH THE ACCOMPANYING HEIGHT OF 36 FEET, HE SAYS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD REQUIRE 26 FEET.
SO CONSIDERING THAT THE, THE UH, UNITS ARE LIMITED TO TWO STORY, WOULD IT BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO SET UP A HEIGHT LIMIT OF 30 FEET, WHICH WOULD BE, WHICH WOULD WORK WITH THE 22 FEET? I THINK THAT HAVING A HEIGHT LIMIT, IT WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULDN'T BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
I WILL SAY THAT THE WAY THAT THIS WILL LIKELY PROGRESS IS IF THIS WERE TO ULTIMATELY BE ADOPTED AS A ZONING CHANGE.
UH, WHEN THE APPLICANT GOES TO PLATTING, IF THEY REQUEST 22 FOOT EASEMENTS AND THAT PLAT IS GRANTED THEN AT PERMITTING WHEN THEY GO TO PULL THEIR CONSTRUCTION PERMITS AND WHATNOT AS PART OF THE REVIEW,
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THEY WOULD LOOK AT WHAT'S ALLOWED AS AN EASEMENT THERE AND THEY WOULD SEE 22 FEET MM-HMMAND THAT WOULD INHERENTLY PUT A LIMITATION ON THE HEIGHT.
UM, IF THEY WANTED TO GO WITH A 36 FOOT STRUCTURE, EVEN IF IT'S ALLOWED WITHIN THE ZONING REGULATIONS, THE FIRE CODE WOULD, WOULD HAVE TO RULE THAT AND SAY, SORRY, YOU'VE GOT 22 FOOT EASEMENTS.
THE MOST YOU CAN DO IS 30 FEET.
SO THESE 22, THIS 22 FOOT WIDE DRIVE WOULD ONLY WORK WITH THE 30 FEET AND HIGH.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH ON THE OPEN SPACE QUESTION.
SO I'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, GUEST PARKING.
WAS THERE ANY, UH, CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT EXCEEDING THE BARE MINIMUM ON GUEST PARKING? 'CAUSE I, THE WAY I CALCULATED IT, IT IS AT THE MINIMUM, UH, NO, THERE WAS NO ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ON THE GUEST PARKING.
UH, WE FELT COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED.
COMMISSIONER FORESITE, MY QUESTION IS TO DOVETAIL WITH COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, COULD YOU, UH, HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND, UH, THE PARKING REQUIREMENT IS, IS ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY UNIT UNIT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
I IS, ARE, IS THE PARKING LIKE IN THE GROUND LEVEL OF THE UNIT ITSELF AND THE, AND THE UNITS ARE BUILT ON TOP OF THE GARAGE? I BELIEVE THAT THEY WILL BE EITHER ON THE GROUND LEVEL OR WITH THE GARAGE, BUT THAT WOULD BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
THE A THE APPLICANT IS HERE, COMMISSIONER FORSET.
SO WHEN WE GET TO THE HEARING, UH, YEP, THERE SHE IS.
SO WE, WE CAN, UH, CIRCLE BACK ON THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, WE'LL GO BACK SECOND AROUND TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
ARE YOU AWARE THAT THERE WAS, UH, UH, WHETHER THERE WAS ROBUST, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FROM THE UH, FRI UH, NEIGHBORHOOD OF GROUP OF NEIGHBORHOOD OF ASSOCIATIONS? YES, WE ARE AWARE OF, UH, EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WITH THE FERGUSON ROAD INITIATIVE AND SOME OTHERS, AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE RECEIVED, UH, SOME OTHERS OF SUPPORT FROM THOSE ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL.
UM, AND WERE YOU AWARE THAT THE PLANS THAT CAME, THAT WERE CREATED TO GET THIS APPLICANT TO AN APPROVAL, UM, THAT THE, THAT THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS HELPED, UH, TO APPROVE, TO APPROVE AND, UH, APPROVE THAT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT IS WHAT THEY SAW FIT FOR THAT AREA? YES.
SECOND ROUND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES.
FOLLOWING UP ON COMMISSIONER HOUSE, WRIGHT'S QUESTION, UH, 'CAUSE I HAD IT IN MY NOTES AND FORGOT TO BRING IT UP ABOUT THE GUEST PARKING IS YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE MINIMUM, UH, NUMBER OF SPACES REQUIRED.
ARE YOU ALSO FAM COM COMFORTABLE WITH THE CONFIGURATION THAT, YOU KNOW, CLUSTERS THESE GUEST PARKING SPACES AT THE CORNERS, WHICH MAKES THE GUEST PARKING SPACES, YOU KNOW, PRETTY FAR FROM A LARGE NUMBER OF THESE UNITS? I, I WOULD SAY THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, YES.
UM, IT IS, THEY ARE CERTAINLY CLUSTERS OPPOSED TO SPREAD OUT.
I THINK THAT IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S FLEXIBILITY ON THE, ON THE DEVELOPER SIDE, IF THEY CAN MOVE THOSE AROUND, THEN UH, THAT WOULD BE FINE AS WELL.
BUT PART OF THE, I THINK, ADVANTAGE OF HAVING THE ACCESS DRIVE SIDEWALKS, UH, REQUIREMENT IS IT DOES IMPROVE SOME OF THAT WALKABILITY.
SO EVEN IF YOU DO HAVE TO PARK ON THE OTHER END, IT'S A FAIRLY, IT'S A MORE PLEASANT WALK TO GET FROM THERE TO WHERE YOU'RE VISITING VERSUS IF THERE WERE NO SIDEWALKS, HOW ARE YOU ANTICIPATING THAT ANY SORT OF LOADING AND DELIVERIES ARE GONNA BE ACCOMMODATED, ACCOMMODATED HERE? I SAY IF A, IF A MOVING VAN OR A DELIVERY VAN WAS EVEN TO BE AT ONE OF THESE, UM, UNITS, IT WOULD SEEM THAT THE ROADWAY WOULD BE IMPASSABLE.
UH, THAT MIGHT BE, UM, I MIGHT ASK, UH, MR. NAVAREZ IF HE'S PRESENT.
UH, BUT THAT BEING SAID, UH, THAT WASN'T A CONCERN THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY MR. NAVAREZ DURING HIS REVIEW.
UM, HE FOUND THAT IT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR TYPICAL MOVEMENTS, UH, THROUGHOUT SUCH A SUBDIVISION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER HAN, AND THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT I JUST NOTED ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT THERE'S ONE OF THE LOTS THAT'S NOTED TO HAVE A ZERO REAR YARD SETBACK ON WHAT I THINK WE WOULD TRADITIONALLY, UM, CONSIDER TO BE A SIDE YARD.
IT'S ON THE, THE LOWEST, UM, INTERIOR LOT, IF YOU WILL, ON THE PLAN.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS, SINCE THE TYPICAL SIDE YARD IS NOTED AS FIVE, WAS THERE A REASON WHY THAT HAS A VARIANCE? I I WOULD DEFINITELY DEFER TO THE APPLICANT ON THAT, BUT I SUSPECT IT IS JUST BECAUSE THE ADJACENCY TO THE CELL TOWER, UM, IT'LL ALLOW THEM TO THANK YOU.
UM, IS IT TYPICAL IN THE SHARD ACCESS AREAS THAT THE PARKING, UM, THE ADDITIONAL PARKING IS IN CLUSTERS, UM,
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AND THAT IT IS LIMITED OFTENTIMES WHEN IT'S OF, UM, UNITS THAT ARE MORE FOR SALE THAN A MULTI-FAMILY? I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, IN MY EXPERIENCE, UH, WITH SHARED ACCESS DEVELOPMENTS, I I'VE SEEN A MIX OF HOW THEY PROVISION THE GUEST PARKING.TYPICALLY IT IS CLUSTERED OR IT IS PLACED INTO A CERTAIN AREA.
UH, I AM WORKING ON A SIMILAR CASE WHERE THE GUEST PARKING IS PROVISIONED.
JUST KIND OF ONE SET HERE, ONE SET THERE.
I I WOULD SAY IT'S COMMON, YES.
AND THAT THEY USUALLY, UM, WHOEVER PURCHASE OR MOVE INTO IT KINDA UNDERSTANDS THAT THEY ARE MOVING INTO AN AREA THAT DOESN'T HAVE, IT'S NOT COMMON TO HAVE A SUPER AMOUNT, I GUESS IF WHAT YOU HAVE AS FAR AS GARAGE, BUT UNITS IS KIND OF YOUR PARKING, I WOULD SAY YES.
TYPICALLY THE PEOPLE WHO MOVE IN ARE AWARE OF THAT.
COMMISSIONER HALL, MR. VATE? UH, THE CELL TOWER IS REMAINING.
YES, AND WE PUT IN, I BELIEVE IN THE USES WE, WE EXEMPTED THE, UH, CELL TOWER USE FROM REQUIRING A, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IT'LL JUST USE THE EXISTING SUP SITE PLAN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? I NEED TO READ IT IN THE RECORD.
LET'S, LET'S REREAD IT IN THE RECORD PLEASE, SIR.
ITEM SIX IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH THREE 11.
AN APPLICATION FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT USES ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF FERGUSON ROAD BETWEEN HIBISCUS DRIVE AND PASTURE AVENUE STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONCEPTUAL PLANNING CONDITIONS.
I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
HI, MOTO, 1 0 2 3 3 EAST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY IN DALLAS, 7 5 2 3 8.
UM, I TRY TO TAKE NOTES ON THESE QUESTIONS AS QUICKLY AS I CAN, BUT YOU CAN CONTINUE TO ASK ME QUESTIONS.
WE'RE LOOKING TO PROVIDE 53 DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT WILL BE FOR SALE, UH, WITH TWO CAR, UH, GARAGES ATTACHED.
UM, THIS IS LOCATED ON FERGUSON ROAD, JUST, UH, SOUTHWEST OF THE BUCKNER INTERCHANGE.
UM, THIS IS SIX LANES DIVIDED AND UM, WE DID REQUEST FOR SOLID FENCING ALONG FERGUSON BECAUSE THOROUGH FEARS ARE INHERENTLY NOT WALKABLE AND THESE ARE GONNA BE FOLKS THEIR BACKYARDS.
UM, WE WERE WANTING THEM TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE SOLID SCREENING IF THAT WAS WHAT THEY CHOSE.
THE SUBDIVISION PLAN FOR THE FENCE IS TO PROVIDE FOR ROD IRON FENCING.
UM, WITH THE SIDEWALK AND STREET PLACEMENT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER FROM THE PLANNER, WE WILL COMPLY WITH FIRE CODES AS IN REGARDS TO THE SHARED ACCESS WIDTH OF THE EASEMENTS AND THE HEIGHTS OF THE BUILDINGS.
UM, WANTED TO POINT OUT THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN THE PD, NOT A DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, THE SITE HAS NOT BEEN ENGINEERED, BUT AN ENGINEER DID PREVENT PROVIDE THIS PLAN.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE PROVIDED THE 6,000 SQUARE FOOT OF OPEN SPACE AND THAT CENTRAL LOCATION, UM, TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM FOR WHEN THE SITE DOES GET FULLY ENGINEERED.
UM, I THINK WITH THAT I'LL JUST KEEP ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, UH, YOU INDICATE, UH, THAT THE PARKING WILL BE TWO, UH, CAR GARAGE ATTACHED? YES, SIR.
SO WILL IT BE LIKE THE, UH, A MULTI-LEVEL WHERE THE, YOU'LL HAVE THE, UH, THE, THE GARAGE IS THE GROUND LEVEL AND THEN THE TOWN HOME UNIT WILL BE ABOVE THAT? YES SIR.
IT'S A SIMPLE TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
THEY'RE DETACHED WITH THREE FOOT SEPARATION.
SO JUST SIMPLE, UM, ATTACHED GARAGES.
UM, WE DID PROVIDE THE GUEST PARKING SPACES, UH, DURING THE COURSE OF THE, THE PD.
WE WERE SORT OF LED TO BELIEVE THAT THE GUEST PARKING WAS NOT IMPORTANT.
WE STILL PROVIDED THE CODE REQUIREMENT.
THERE WILL BE THE ABILITY FOR ON-STREET PARKING ON HIBISCUS AND PASTOR ON THOSE EDGES.
UM, AND UH, I THINK THAT BECAUSE OF THAT ABILITY FOR ON-STREET PARKING, THERE IS SOME CAPACITY IF THERE'S MORE GUESTS THAN WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING SPACES FOR
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COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.YOU ANSWERED MOST OF THE QUESTIONS.
UM, I JUST JUST WANT TO GET CLARITY.
UM, THERE'S ONE, UM, ONE OF THE LOTS APPEARS TO HAVE A ZERO REAR YARD SETBACK ADJACENT TO THE CELL TOWER.
IS THAT INTENTIONAL? IS THERE A FUNCTIONAL REASON WHY THAT ISN'T ABLE TO HAVE THE TYPICAL SETBACK FOR ALL THE OTHER LOTS? UM, WELL IF YOU RECALL IN SHARED ACCESS DEVELOPMENTS, THERE ARE NO INTERNAL SETBACKS.
UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO BE PROTECTIVE THAT THE, SINCE IT HASN'T BEEN ENGINEERED AND FULLY THE SITE'S LAID OUT ON THE SPACING ORIENTATION, I DIDN'T WANT THEM TO HAVE A CONFLICT, UM, WHEN THEY GO TO DESIGN THAT INDIVIDUAL LOT UNDER.
AND I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY WRITTEN IN, BUT IF YOU'RE INTENDING TO DO DETACHED HOUSING, THERE WILL IN FACT BE SEPARATIONS BETWEEN EACH OF THE HOUSING, UM, LOTS OR FOR BUILDING CODE PURPOSES, CORRECT? YES MA'AM.
AND THEN ONE COMMENT, I THINK YOU HEARD THE NUMBER OF QUESTIONS.
I HAD A SIMILAR ONE ON THE OPEN SPACE.
WAS THERE, DO YOU HAVE A CALCULATED AMOUNT OF WHAT YOU ACTUALLY THINK WILL BE PERMEABLE AREA UNDERSTANDING? IT HASN'T BEEN FULLY VETTED, UM, BUT I THINK THREE PERCENT'S RATHER LOW FOR WHAT WE TYPICALLY SEE.
NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN.
UM, AND WE DEMONSTRATED A CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPE PLAN IS WHAT MR. BATES WAS REFERRING TO.
UM, AND HE WAS FANTASTIC THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
JUST WANNA THANK HIM FOR THAT.
UM, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN DOES SHOW THE, THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE ARTICLE 10, THE 15%.
SO THAT COUNTS THE OPEN SPACE AREA, BUT IT ALSO COUNTS THE INDIVIDUAL YARDS THAT WE'LL HAVE LANDSCAPING.
UM, WE, IT IS JUST TRYING TO FIT THAT MANY HOMES.
'CAUSE WE STARTED WITH 56 AND WE HAD TO REDESIGN TO MEET SOME OTHER CITY STANDARDS.
UM, WE FELT THAT THIS WAS APPROPRIATE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE, THE LAYOUT OF IT AND BEING A CENTRAL LOCATION, WE THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY GOOD.
UM, THIS, IT IS NOT A WALKABLE AREA, BUT WE HAVE A LIBRARY THAT'S, UM, JUST SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET TO OUR SOUTH.
UM, THERE'S A PARK CITY PARK HALF A MILE FROM HERE.
UM, AND WE ARE IN THE WHITE ROCK AREA, SO WE ARE HOPING THAT THAT WAS ADEQUATE FOR THIS.
UM, I BELIEVE THE SENIOR HOUSING THAT'S NEXT DOOR DID NOT HAVE AN OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT, SO WE DID KIND OF FOLLOW THAT PD A LITTLE BIT FOR SOME GUIDANCE AS TO WHAT THIS, WHAT IS EXPECTED FOR THIS AREA.
AND I WILL SAY I KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY IS VERY INTERESTED IN DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TYPES COMING IN.
AND UM, I, AS COMMISSIONER WHEELER NOTED, WE DID RECEIVE THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
UM, YEAH, JUST A FEW QUESTIONS.
ONE, UM, I'M A BIG FAN OF SHARED ACCESS.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS WITH IT IN MY DISTRICT, BUT WE'VE HAD SUCCESS WITH IT WHEN IT'S DONE AT A HIGH LEVEL OF QUALITY, UM, BRICK AND LANDSCAPE BUFFERS AROUND THE EDGES OF IT.
UH, MEANINGFUL GREEN SPACE IN THE INTERIOR OF THE PROJECT.
UM, THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS I'M NOT REALLY SEEING HERE.
UM, THE, UH, LITTLE STRIP OF LAND IN THE MIDDLE BEHIND THE HOUSES DOESN'T, YEAH, I MEAN IT CALCULATES OUT TO A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF OPEN SPACE.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A PLACE THAT I WANNA SPEND TIME IN OR I WANT TO TAKE MY DOG TO OR MY CHILDREN TO OR ANYTHING.
DID, DID YOU ALL HAVE ANY EARNEST DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THIS A LITTLE HIGHER QUALITY DEVELOPMENT? HAVE YOU, IS YOUR APPLICANT, UM, WOULD THEY CONSIDER UPGRADING THE PERIMETER OF THE PROJECT WITH A LANDSCAPE AND BRICK? I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE PD ABOUT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF MASONRY ON THESE BUILDINGS.
UM, MAYBE I MISSED THAT, BUT I, I BELIEVE THE STATE LAW PROHIBITS THE REGULATION OF BUILDING MATERIALS.
IS THAT STILL IN EFFECT? OKAY, FINE.
ALRIGHT, I'LL TAKE TWO OUTTA THREE THEN.
I KNOW I'M, I'M NOT UP TO DATE ON EVERYTHING, BUT, OKAY.
UM, I, I, I THINK THAT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO COMMIT TO THE PERIMETER FENCING BEING WROUGHT IRON OR A COMBINATION OF ROD IRON AND SOLID.
UM, WE, I THOUGHT THAT THE, UM, PD CONDITIONS THAT, UM, MR. BATE ASKED FOR AS FAR AS THE, THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND THE SIDEWALK WIDTHS.
I, I THOUGHT THAT WAS, UM, VERY GOOD.
I'M ALSO COMPARING WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TO CITY CODE AND HAD THERE BEEN A ROUTE THROUGH THE REGULAR SHARED ACCESS REGULATIONS, I WOULD'VE BEEN ASKING FOR A STRAIGHT ZONING DISTRICT.
SO, UM, I'VE SEEN LOTS OF SHARED ACCESS DEVELOPMENTS TOO, AND I I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS THAT BAD.
WELL, UH, MY, MY COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS ON THE GREEN SPACE STAND.
WELL, UM, CAN I JUST ADD REAL QUICK PLEASE.
THE, THE ARTICLE 10 LANDSCAPING, UM, THAT DOES REQUIRE, UM, THE NOT ONLY STREET TREES
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BUT ALSO PLANTING GROUPS.UM, AND THAT'LL BE PLACED, UM, IN THE PARKWAY AREAS.
SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA BEAUTIFIED ON THE OUTSIDE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
I'M TALKING ABOUT USABLE GREEN SPACE.
I'M GONNA LIVE IN A DENSE COMMUNITY, UH, THAT HAS A VIR HAVE VIRTUALLY VERY, VERY LITTLE OUTDOOR SPACE, THIS KIND OF, THIS FORMAT OF HOUSING.
AND SO I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING IN THIS COMMUNITY WHERE THERE IS SOME USABLE VISIBLE OPEN SPACE.
THAT'S SAFE PLACE I WANNA BE IN COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, PLEASE.
WHAT IS THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE AND IS THERE A FRONT YARD AND A BACKYARD? UH, PROVIDED IN WITH, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THAT ON THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
I WAS CAUGHT A LITTLE BIT OFF GUARD WITH I THINK THIS BRIEFING OCCURRING IN THE AFTERNOON RATHER THAN IN THE MORNING.
UM, SO I'M A LITTLE BIT, UM, CAUGHT OFF GUARD ON SOME OF THIS.
UH, THE LOT SIZES I BELIEVE ARE 1700 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THERE WILL BE SOME FRONT YARD AND THERE WILL BE SOME BACKYARD.
UM, THE, I BELIEVE THE BACKYARD IS AROUND 10 FEET.
UM, THE, GOING OFF OF MEMORY, THE LOT DEPTHS OVER 75 OR 80 FEET AND THE DEPTH OF THE PAD IS 55 FEET.
IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A HUNDRED PERCENT LOT COVERAGE.
SO THE, ON THE CHARGE ACCESS, UM, THE GREEN SPACE IS GOING TO BE SOME TYPE OF YARD SPACE ALSO? YES.
IT'LL BE LANDSCAPED IN THE REAR LIKE MOST OF THEM ARE DOING.
SO THAT WOULD KINDA BE THE, THE USABLE GREEN SPACE ON EACH EACH SITE? YES.
EACH SITE WILL HAVE SOME YARD, IT'LL BE MINIMAL.
I MEAN, THIS, THIS IS COMPACT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOT BIG YARDS HERE.
UM, AND THEN THE 6,000 SQUARE FOOT OPEN SPACE IN THE CENTER WILL BE LANDSCAPED.
SO EACH LODGE IS ABOUT 28 APARTMENTS, ABOUT EACH TOWN HOME'S ABOUT 25 BY 40 IS THE AVERAGE AND EACH TYPE OF, AND CREATES ADDITIONAL IN FRONT AND BACK.
UM, WHAT DO YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE PROXIMITY TO THE NEAREST PARK TO THIS? I'M SORRY, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU.
WHAT IS THE, DO YOU KNOW THE PROXIMITY TO THE NEAREST PARK TO TO THIS? UH, IT'S A HALF MILE.
UM, AND WHAT WAS THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UM, WITH FRI CONCERNING THE TYPE OF HOUSING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN AREA? UM, YES.
THEY WERE VERY EXCITED FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY PRODUCT.
THEY WERE VERY EXCITED FOR IT BEING FOR SALE.
UM, WE, UM, HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
UM, I MAILED LETTERS TO THE NEIGHBORS.
WE HELD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AT THE LIBRARY IN OCTOBER.
EVERYONE IN ATTENDANCE SIGNED THE SUPPORT PETITION, WHICH HAS BEEN SHARED WITH EVERYONE.
UM, AND THEN YOU RECEIVED SOME ADDITIONAL EMAILS AND SUPPORT FROM A COUPLE OF THE HOA GROUPS.
UM, AND WERE THIS, AND DO YOU, WERE YOU AWARE THAT THIS WAS BECAUSE OF THE OVERSATURATION OF, OF, OF HOME FOR RENT, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN THE AREA THAT THEY WANT TO SEE SOME YES.
UM, THAT WOULD BE MORE FOR SALE THAN JUST FOR RENT.
SO THERE'S UM, OLDER HOUSING, MULTIFAMILY HOUSING STOCK THAT'S ADJACENT TO US ON THE NORTHWEST AND THE SOUTH, NO, NO, NORTHEAST AND SOUTHEAST.
THERE'S OLDER MULTIFAMILY STOCK ALONG BUCKNER.
UM, AND THEN THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IS SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, SO THIS DOES PROVIDE A SORT OF A UNIQUE HOUSING CHOICE FOR THIS AREA.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE SENIOR HOUSING THAT'S GOING ONTO THE SOUTHWEST UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS PLEASE, COMMISSIONER, I'M JUST GONNA ASK THE QUESTION.
UM, I THINK YOU'VE HEARD THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT OPEN SPACE AND I JUST DID SOME QUICK MATH BECAUSE YOUR PERIMETER LOTS ARE 75 FEET DEEP.
THE CENTER LOTS WHERE YOU HAVE THE OPEN SPACE ARE 80.
IF YOU SIMPLY REDUCE THOSE TO 75, YOUR OPEN SPACE GOES UP AGAIN, STILL MODEST, BUT YOU'RE EFFECTIVELY 40 FEET WIDE, ALMOST 8,000 SQUARE FEET GETS YOU CLOSER TO 5% OF OPEN SPACE.
WOULD PROVIDING 5% MINIMUM OPEN SPACE BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER TO PROVIDE A MINIMUM OF 5%? YES, I THINK WE COULD MAKE THAT WORK.
UM, THE, THE REASON WHY THERE'S TWO, UM, DIFFERENT LOT SIZES IS THERE'S GONNA BE A VARIETY OF THE HOUSING.
SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA ALL BE THE SAME.
AND, BUT DOES, WOULD THAT TRANSLATE INTO UM, FEWER, WELL I KNOW IT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE A SMALLER HOUSING TYPE.
IS IS THAT FAIR OR IS IT JUST DIFFERENT? UM, AMENITIES
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RELATED TO THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS.AND I'M BEING CAREFUL BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED I'M GOING BEYOND, UM, LAND USE QUESTIONS.
BUT ALSO AS COMMISSIONER WHEELER SAID, I UNDERSTAND THE STRONG DESIRE IN THIS COMMUNITY TO HAVE THE VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES.
SO, UM, I BELIEVE THAT WE COULD PICK UP SOME OF THE DIFFERENCE FROM THE LANDSCAPING THAT WE WERE ALREADY INTENDING TO PROVIDE.
BENEFIT OF HAVING AN ARCHITECT ON THE BODY, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER SECOND ROUND.
I NEED TO ASK SOMETHING BEFORE I ASK HER SOMETHING.
IT, UM, SO ON EACH OF THESE PROPOSED PLATS, THERE IS GOING TO BE GREEN SPACE AS FAR AS YARDS FOR EACH UNIT.
I THINK THE NEXT QUESTION WOULD PROBABLY BE THE STAFF 'CAUSE OKAY.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO STAFF NEXT.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFFING BECAUSE I, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
I KNOW THAT THE, THE SHARED GREEN SPACE IS WHAT WE HAVE COMPLAINT WE'RE KIND OF FIGURING ON.
BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING EACH HOME, EACH ONE OF THESE PLAS ARE GOING TO HAVE WHAT IS TYPICALLY SOME TYPE OF YARD SPACE, UM, THAT DOES CREATE ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE.
SO BASED ON HOW IT ENDS UP PLATTED, UM, WITH EVERY LOT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE OF 75%.
SO IF YOU HAD JUST A, I'M GONNA BE REALLY SIMPLE WITH THIS 'CAUSE I CAN'T DO THE MATH RIGHT NOW, BUT LET'S JUST DO A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT LOT.
YOU COULD ADD 7000, 750 SQUARE FEET THAT IS DEDICATED TO THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.
UH, YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE SOME THAT'S DEDICATED FOR DRIVEWAY OR AN ENTRANCE OF THAT SORT.
SO LET'S SAY YOU HAVE 20% LEFT, UH, 200 SQUARE FEET PER LOT.
UM, THAT WOULD BE A YARD SPACE.
UM, GIVEN THE ACTUAL LOT SIZES, WE'RE TALKING MORE ABOUT 2000 SQUARE FEET, SO YOU CAN JUST DOUBLE THAT.
WE CAN SAY ABOUT 400 SQUARE FEET OF YARD SPACE.
IT MIGHT BE DISTRIBUTED MAYBE 150 SQUARE FEET IN THE BACK, UM, 50 SQUARE FEET IN THE FRONT, THAT SORT OF THING.
UH, SO THERE WOULD BE SOME AMOUNT OF GREENERY AND GREEN SPACE IN GENERAL, I THINK ON THESE LOTS, UH, JUST DUE TO THAT MINIMUM OR THAT MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE REQUIREMENT.
I THINK MAYBE I'M ASKING KIND OF DEALING WITH TOWN HOMES, A GOOD MAJORITY THAT I SEE ON THESE TYPE OF LOTS.
YOU THINK, UM, SOMETIME THEY'RE OFTEN BUILT OR THEY OFTEN BUILT LIKE 25 FEET WIDE, 25 FEET WIDE, ABOUT 40 IN DEPTH WITH THE BACKYARD.
UM, AND I MAY AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD INCREASE THE YARD SPACE IN THE REAR AND THE FRONT AND TO GET WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
I THINK IT'S MORE OF A COMMENT.
'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE, THE ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE IS ON SITE.
I, I DON'T, NO, I THINK, I BELIEVE IT'S HARD FOR US TO SEE IT.
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT IT'S HARD FOR US TO SEE IT BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING MORE AT A PLAT AND NOT THE ACTUAL CONCEPTIONAL DRAWINGS? UH, WHAT I WOULD SAY, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, UH, WITH THE PRO, UH, THE TERMINOLOGY IN THE, IN THE REPORT IS YES, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, IT'S INHERENTLY, IT'S A CONCEPT.
YOU'RE GENERALLY JUST LOOKING AT THE CONFIGURATION OF LOTS AT A 50,000 FOOT LEVEL, LET'S SAY, UM, AT FINAL PLATTING, THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD, THE FINAL PLAT WILL SERVE AS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THIS.
AND WITH THE FINAL PLAT, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO BETTER SEE WHAT THE FINAL SETBACKS AND ALL THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO IT IS A LITTLE HARD TO ENVISION ON A CONCEPTUAL PLAN WHAT THE ULTIMATE CONFIGURATION OR NOT THE CONFIGURATION, WHAT THE ULTIMATE LOT ITSELF WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UH, GOING BACK TO SOMETHING YOU DID SAY, MENTION EARLIER ABOUT THE TYPICAL TOWNHOUSE CONFIGURATION, I WILL SAY THEN MOST OF THESE TOWNHOUSE TYPE DEVELOPMENTS, WHETHER THEY ARE ATTACHED OR DETACHED, THEY GENERALLY DO JUST HAVE SMALLER, THEY JUST HAVE SMALLER YARDS.
IT'S, I THINK A FUNCTION OF WHAT THE DEVELOPER'S ENVISIONING AND WHAT THE MARKET FOR THESE TYPES OF HOUSES IS, IS THAT FOLKS MIGHT BE MORE INTERESTED IN HAVING ADDITIONAL HOUSE VERSUS ADDITIONAL YARD.
UM, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT WITH, WITH THE CONDITIONS AS IS, EACH LOT WOULD HAVE, UH, SOME AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE IN IT.
FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, THE CONDITIONS AS OUTLINED, I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY.
THERE'S NO MINIMUM REAR YARD REQUIRED.
AND SO WITH THE 75% LOCK COVERAGE, THEY COULD IN THEORY PUT THE BUILDING.
AND AGAIN, I KNOW THEY HAVE BUILDING CODE AND OTHER THINGS THEY NEED TO GO THROUGH.
BUT THAT WOULD ORIENT WITH YOUR EXAMPLE.
AND IF WE USE 2000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, THAT'S AVERAGE, I THINK 1750, BUT QUICKER NUMBERS.
SO 2000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, 75% LOT COVERAGE, IT'S 1500 SQUARE
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FEET ON THE GROUND.AND SO THEN YOU'VE GOT, UM, DO THE MATH 250 ON THE ON FRONT YARD, 28 FEET WIDE.
SO ROUGHLY 10 FEET OF FRONT YARD.
AGAIN, ROUND NUMBERS I KNOW I DIDN'T DO EXACTLY 250 FEET THERE.
AND SO PART OF THAT'S GONNA BE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE WE'RE TWO CAR GARAGES BASED ON THEIR CALCULATIONS AND THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO IF THEY PUT IN, AND AGAIN, I KNOW THEY'VE GOT A BALANCE IT OUT WITH THEIR PERMEABLE AREA, BUT IF THEY HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE, 24 FOOT DRIVE, 10 FEET, THE FUNCTIONAL FRONT YARD IS GOING TO BE ROUGHLY 10 FEET DEEP BY WHATEVER THE BALANCE OF THEIR DRIVEWAY WIDTH ENDS UP BEING.
SO YOU MIGHT HAVE A SMALL WALKUP, BUT THERE WON'T BE POTENTIALLY, AND AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW PRECISELY, BUT WORKING WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS, THAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF WHAT COULD BE BUILT AT THE MAXIMUM.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S REASONABLE TO SAY.
AND SO IS THAT PARTLY WHY, UM, MAYBE UNDERSTANDING WHERE, UM, AND AGAIN, I RECOGNIZE AND WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE MR. HERTO SAID THEY'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE 15% CALCULATION THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE REQUIRED.
SO THERE WILL BE SOME SMALL AREAS SPRINKLED WITHIN EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENTS, BECAUSE THEY STILL NEED TO MEET ARTICLE 10.
BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT I WANNA GO OUTSIDE AND WALK MY DOG, IT'S PROBABLY WHATEVER THE, THE COMMUNITY OPEN SPACE IS.
WOULD THAT BE FAIR? I WOULD SAY THAT'S, OR WALKING AROUND ON THE SIDEWALK, I'M, YOU KNOW, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF MY OTHER AMENITIES.
I THINK THAT THE OPEN SPACE THAT WOULD BE THE MOST, UH, THE MOST CONVENIENT TO ACCESS FOR THE COMMUNITY OPEN SPACE ITSELF, THAT WOULD BE THE MOST CONVENIENT ACCESS FOR RESIDENTS.
UH, THERE WOULD BE SOME OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS AS WELL, UH, WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT I THINK THIS AREA IS STILL SORT OF IN TRANSITION, UM, IN TERMS OF HOW IT HAS DEVELOPED PREVIOUSLY AND HOW IT IS DEVELOPING NOW WITH THINGS SUCH AS THE, UH, EXISTING AREA PLAN FOR THE TWO POINTS TO WHITE ROCK.
ONE, LIKE I SAID, AS IT CALLS FOR AN URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THIS IS ALWAYS, I THINK, A DIFFICULT THING TO BALANCE, WHERE INHERENTLY, I THINK DENSER URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE QUITE AS MUCH GREEN SPACE AS YOU DO IN A MORE RESIDENTIAL OR, UH, COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL TYPE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, ONE FOLLOW UP FOR YOU, AND THEN I THINK ONE FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, UM, FERGUSON ROAD HAS THEIR AREA PLAN, AND I BELIEVE THEY HAVE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THAT THOROUGHFARE.
IS THIS COMPLIANT WITH THOSE? I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE, UH, FERGUSON ROAD DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
UM, AND I, I WON'T SAY IT'S A DEVELOPMENT STANDARD PER SE, BUT ANYWAY, I WON'T DERAIL US ON THAT QUESTION, BUT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, FOLLOWING UP ON COMMISSIONER HOUSE, WRIGHT'S QUESTION ABOUT WHAT IS THE FRONT DOOR OF THIS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, AND AS IT'S PRESENTED TO US, IT'S A FIVE FOOT BUFFER, A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK, AND THEN AN EIGHT FOOT WOODEN FENCE.
YES, THERE WOULD BE THE FENCE.
YEAH, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT.
AND AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO THINK THROUGH KIND OF HOW THIS INTEGRATES WITH THE LARGER, UM, COMMUNITY VISION.
WHICH BRINGS ME TO MY QUESTION, I BELIEVE FOR MS. MORRISON, I CAN'T QUITE SEE HER.
IS IT CORRECT THAT WHILE WE ARE PROHIBITED FROM REQUIRING, UM, MATERIALS RELATIVE TO BUILDING MATERIALS, ARE THOSE ABLE TO BE APPLIED FENCES? UH, COMMISSIONER, THE STATE STATUTE PROHIBITING CITIES FROM REQUIRING, UH, CERTAIN TYPES OF BUILDING MATERIALS ONLY APPLIES TO THE BUILDING.
SO IF THE BODY WANTED TO CONSIDER A MASONRY FENCE ON FERGUSON ROAD, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, FOR MS. MORRISON.
UM, WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE, UH, COMMUNITY'S DESIRE IS FOR OWNERSHIP HOUSING, THERE IS NOTHING HERE THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THIS FROM BEING RENTAL HOUSING.
WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO WRITE, UM, CODE THAT REQUIRES SOMETHING TO BE OWNERSHIP.
THAT WOULD NOT BE A FUNCTION OF ZONING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? UM, YES, IN THE MATTER OF Z, UM, A Z 2 34 DASH 3 1 1.
I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, SUBJECT TO CONCEPTIONAL PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
AND IF I CAN GET A SECOND, I HAVE COMMENT.
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SECOND COMMENTS.UM, IN A LOT OF AREAS OF DALLAS, WHEN WE HAVE HOUSING, UM, UM, WHEN WE HAVE ZONING CHANGES, UM, WE DON'T YEAH, OFTEN HEAR A STRONG VOICE FROM THE COMMUNITY, FROM THE CONCEPTION OF THIS PLAN.
UM, WITH THE APPLICANT IDEA FOR THIS WAS ORIGINALLY TO WHAT WE HAVE TODAY WAS NOT ON DEAF EARS.
THE COMMUNITY, UM, SSON ROAD INITIATIVE IS ALWAYS A HIGHLIGHT TO WORK WITH BECAUSE THEY DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE.
USUALLY BY THE TIME I CALL THEM, THEY'RE ALREADY AWARE OF THE PROJECT.
THEY'RE ALREADY, THEY'RE GIVING ME, UM, THEY'RE GIVING ME, UM, ADVICE.
UM, AND THEY DO A REALLY GOOD JOB OF GETTING WHAT THEY NEED.
THIS AREA IS OVERSATURATED IN APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
UM, THE SCHOOLS ARE AT CAPACITY AND FERGUSON ROAD, UH, AND THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THAT MAKE IT UP, UH, ARE ALWAYS ON TOP OF WHAT THEY WANT.
UM, THIS WASN'T THE INITIAL PLAN FOR THE, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT, BUT I BE, I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS, IS THE TRUE VOICE OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THEY'VE LOOKED AT EVERY ASPECT OF IT.
I'VE EVEN MADE SOME, UH, GAVE THEM SOME ADVICE ON, ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UM, EVEN TO WHAT'S NEXT DOOR TO THEM AS A SENIOR HOUSING.
THAT WAS A FEAT WITHIN ITSELF BECAUSE FERGUSON ROAD, UH, AND THOSE