[Special Sign District Advisory Committee on February 11, 2025]
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AND OH, WE NEED TO GO THROUGH ROLL CALL.
DAVID DENNIS, YOU CALL THOMAS? YEAH, IT'S UH, TEN ONE NOW.
THAT'S OUR INTERNAL LIST, ISN'T IT? YES.
WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND START.
AND SCOTT WAS TALKING ABOUT MAYBE DOING JUST ONE BIG WALKTHROUGH SINCE THESE ARE ALL FOR THE SAME BUILDING.
IS THAT AGREEABLE GUYS? THAT IS AGREEABLE MURPHY, CAN WE, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION AND MURPHY, WOULD YOU SECOND PLEASE? SURE.
I'LL MOTION TO TAKE ALL FOUR CASES AS ONE AT THE SAME TIME.
MURPHY WEBSTER WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.
SO WE WILL REVIEW ALL FOUR CASES AND ONE FELL ASLEEP.
IS IT FREEZING UP ON YOU, SCOTT? NO, BUT LET ME OKAY.
I'M THE SUPERVISOR OF THE SIGN REVIEW AND INSPECTIONS TEAM FOR PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT CITY OF DALLAS.
UH, TODAY WE ARE HERE FOR THIS SPECIAL SIGN DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, FEBRUARY 11TH, 2025.
WE HAVE FOUR CASES TODAY FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
WE HAVE CASE NUMBER 2 5 0 1 1 4 0 0 0 8 FOR 1907 NORTH LAMAR STREET, WEST END HISTORIC SIGN DISTRICT.
WE HAVE CASE NUMBER 2 5 0 1 1 4 0 0 0 9 19 0 7 NORTH LAMAR STREET, WEST END, HISTORIC SIGN, DISTRICT CASE NUMBER 2 5 0 1 1 4 0 0 1 0 19 0 7 NORTH LAMAR STREET, WEST END, HISTORIC SIGN, DISTRICT CASE NUMBER 2 5 0 1 1 4 0 0 1 1 19 0 7 NORTH LAMAR STREET, WEST END HISTORIC SIGN DISTRICT.
ALL FOUR CASES ARE APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY CHASE SINGLETON OF PRIORITY SIGNS AND GRAPHICS FOR THREE FOE NEON ILLUMINATED ATTACHED SIGNS AND ONE NON ILLUMINATED FLAT ATTACHED SIGN AT NORTH LAMAR STREET.
ONE WILL FACE LAMAR TWO WILL FACE CORBIN AND ONE WILL PROJECT FROM THE EAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING.
THIS ARE LOCATED IN THE WEST END HISTORIC SIGN DISTRICT.
IT'S ZONE CA ONE A 2 5 0 1 1 4 0 0 0 8 IS A 24.2 SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED UPPER LEVEL FLAT ATTACHED CABINET SIGN BEARING THE NAME SPRINGHILL SUITES BY MARRIOTT.
2 5 0 1 1 4 0 0 0 9 IS AN 18.5 SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED PROJECTING ATTACHED SIGN BEARING THE NAME SPRINGHILL SUITES BY MARRIOTT.
I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT BOTH OF THESE WERE PREVIOUSLY APPLIED FOR AND APPROVED BY THE COMMITTEE IN THE OCTOBER OF 2023 SESSION.
UM, THEY WERE, UH, THESE, THESE ARE THE EXACT SAME APPLICATIONS THAT WERE APPLIED FOR BEFORE THE APPLICANT WITHDREW BEFORE CPC.
THE NEXT TWO WERE APPLIED FOR, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN REVISIONS MADE SINCE THE PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS 2 5 0 1 1 4 0 0 1 0 IS A FIVE SQUARE FOOT NON ILLUMINATED, LOWER LEVEL FLAT ATTACHED SIGN BEARING.
DO NOT ENTER 2 5 0 1 1 4 0 0 1 1 IS A 15.6 SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED UPPER LEVEL, FLAT ATTACHED CABINET SIGN BEARING THE NAME SPRINGHILL SUITES BY MARRIOTT.
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SECTION MED 51 A DASH 7,100 WEST END HISTORIC SIGN DISTRICT.THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR LANDMARK CAS AND HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
UH, THEY HAVE SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS TO REAL ESTATE FOR THE PROJECTING ASSIGN.
UH, THAT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED YET.
UH, THIS IS THE PURPOSE FROM 51 A DASH 7,100 TWO.
UH, I WON'T GO INTO THAT DETAIL.
YOU CAN READ ON YOUR OWN IF YOU WISH.
THE SUBJECT SIDE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE WEST END HISTORIC DISTRICT SITES APPROXIMATELY ONE AND EIGHT TENTHS MILES NORTHWEST OF CITY HALL SOUTH WITH SOUTH OF WOODALL ROGERS FREEWAY, AND EAST DIVIDE 35.
THIS IS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION ON OUR SPSD MAP AS INDICATED BY THE STAR AND ARROW.
THIS IS AN AERIAL MAP AND A ZONING MAP OF THE BUILDING.
THE LOCATION CUSTOMER PROVIDED OVERHEAD MAP.
THIS IS FOR CASE 2 5 0 1 1 4 0 0 0 8.
THIS PROPOSED SIGN IS SUBMITTED.
A SIGN NUMBER SEVEN IS TO BE INSTALLED ON THE NORTHEAST FACADE FACING LAMAR STREET.
IT'S A TWO FOOT, ONE INCH BY 1 39 AND A HALF INCH WALL SIGN.
THIS IS LOCATED AT ABOVE THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
UH, THIS IS THE ONLY FLAT ATTACHED SIGN TO BE INSTALLED ON THIS FACADE.
THIS SIGN WILL CONTAIN FOUR WORDS AND WILL NOT PROJECT MORE THAN FOUR INCHES FROM THE FACADE.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE EXACT SAME AS WHAT WAS APPLIED FOR PREVIOUSLY.
THEY'VE MADE NO CHANGES TO IT SINCE.
AND YOU'LL SEE THE STAGGERED COLUMNS.
UM, AND WHAT THEY DID IS THEY BUILT A STRUCTURE TO, EXCUSE ME.
THEY BUILT A STRUCTURE SO THAT THE SIGN IS IN LINE WITH THE, UH, I RECALL.
IT GIVES A, UH, FRONT AND OVERHEAD PROFILE OF THE SIGN WITH THE DIMENSIONS, UH, 24.2 SQUARE FEET.
THE COLORS ARE WHITE, BLACK AND GRAY.
IT'LL HAVE THE APPEAR APPEARANCE OF OPEN FACE CHANNEL LETTERS WITH NEON.
IT'LL BE ELIMINATED BY A FA NEON LED SYSTEM.
JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THE PHONE.
AS THE SIGNAGE GOING TO CHANGE OR IS IT GOING TO STAY WITH A WHITE WHITE? YES.
AND WE'VE GOT THAT IN WRITING FROM THE YES.
AND HERE ARE THE ENGINEERING FOR THE SIGN STRUCTURE THAT THEY'LL BE USING TO MOUNT THE SIGN.
HOW OLD IS THE BUILDING? I'M NOT
IS IS IT ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS THAT'S SO OLD THAT YOU GUYS THAT ARE SIGN SPECIALISTS, SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS HAVE VERY FRAGILE MORTAR AND BRICK BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.
DO Y'ALL REMEMBER ON THIS BUILDING IF IT'S FRAGILE OR NOT? BECAUSE I KNOW LANDMARKS GOT TO LOOK AT IT TOO.
YEAH, THEY HAVE LOOKED AT IT AND THEY APPROVED IT AND I DON'T, I DIDN'T SEE WHAT THEY MADE IN THE ADDITIONAL OKAY.
BUT SOMETIMES THEY HAVE SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS ON MOUNTING THE SIGNAGE AND I JUST DIDN'T KNOW SINCE SHE SAID THAT HADN'T BEEN DONE YET WITH LANDMARK'S APPROVAL.
LANDMARK DID APPROVE IT AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY SPECIAL.
OH, IT'S THE OTHER, THE THE CORONER SIGN.
REAL ESTATE HAS NOT MADE THEIR DETERMINATION YET.
THIS ONE IS THE PROJECTING SIGN.
A SIGN NUMBER SIX TO BE INSTALLED ON THE EAST CORNER FACING LAMAR AND CORDON STREET.
IT'S A 12 FOOT BY ONE AND A HALF FOOT BLADE SIGN.
THIS IS PROJECTING ATTACHED SIGN TO BE INSTALLED ON THE NORTH CORNER OF THE BUILDING FACING LAMAR AND CORBIN.
THE SIGN IS LESS THAN 20 SQUARE FEET AND MOUNTED MORE THAN 10 FEET ABOVE GRADE DIMENSIONS ARE 12 FOOT BY 18 INCHES.
AREAS 18 AND A HALF SQUARE FEET.
SAME COLORS, WHITE, BLACK AND GRAY.
IT'LL HAVE THE SAME, THE SAME TYPE
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OF SETUP WITH THE, UH, APPEARANCE OF OPEN FACE CHANNEL LETTERS WITH NEON.THEY WILL BE USING WHITE FAUX NEON, UH, TO GIVE THE APPEARANCE OF TRADITIONAL NEON.
I WISH YOU TURN THAT THEY WOULD NEED AN EXTRA, HAVE TO TURN YOUR HEAD SIDEWAYS, EITHER
THIS PROPOSED SIGN IS SUBMITTED AS SIGN NUMBER FIVE.
IT IS TO BE INSTALLED ON THE SOUTHEAST FACADE FACING CORBIN STREET.
THIS IS A TWO FOOT BY TWO AND A HALF FOOT EXIT ONLY PANEL.
YOU CAN SEE HERE, IT'LL BE INSTALLED ON THE LEFT OF THE ENTRANCE.
IT'S THE FIRST OF TWO FLAT ATTACHED SIGNS TO BE INSTALLED ON THIS FACADE.
THIS SIGN WILL CONTAIN FOUR WORDS AND WILL NOT PROJECT MORE THAN FOUR INCHES.
THE THE ONE THAT THEY SUBMITTED LAST TIME ROUND WAS, IT WAS ABOVE THE ENTRY OR ABOVE THE EXIT.
AND IT WAS AN ILLUMINATED SIGN THAT SAID EXIT ONLY AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT WAS PROVED LAST TIME.
GONNA DOUBLE CHECK ME BECAUSE, AND I WAS READING AND I DIDN'T BRING MY COPY OF THE, I EVEN PRINT IT OUT, BUT ON THIS, THIS IS 10, RIGHT? YES.
I THINK IT SAID THAT IT WAS A PHONE ON.
IS THAT TRULY PHONE ON HERE? ON THIS EXIT SIGN? THIS ONE KNOWS.
'CAUSE I THOUGHT I SAW THAT IN THE VERBIAGE ON THE ACTUAL REPORT AND I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE TO CLEAN THAT UP.
'CAUSE IT, I, I WENT WHAT? BECAUSE AFTER I SAW THE SIGN, IT LOOKED LIKE IT'S NOT I NEEDING TO BE PHONE THE ON.
AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN A COPY OF CHASE ERROR BECAUSE ALL THE OTHERS WERE RIGHT.
THE PHONE, THE ON I'LL VERIFY.
YOU GUYS CAN TELL I WAS BORED.
I HAD NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN READ WITH.
UH, THE SIGN ON THE TIME FORWARDS AND WILL NOT PROJECT MORE THAN FOUR INCHES.
THE YEAR THAT IT WAS BUILT, UH, ACCORDING TO, UH, UH, THE COUNTY WAS BUILT IN 1997, THE ROAD.
SEE, I THOUGHT IT LOOKED LIKE NEW BRICK AND, AND STUFF.
NOT, I GUESS BECAUSE IT'S IN THE HISTORIC AREA.
BUT WHEN THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE OLDER MORTAR AND CONSTRUCTION.
'CAUSE LOOK AT THE WINDOWS AND EVERYTHING, IT'S MUCH MORE MODERN.
TELLS TWO FOOT TWO SIX, UH, FIVE SQUARE FOOT.
IT'S BRIST ALUMINUM WITH, UH, BLACK OPEC VINYL.
THIS IS THE LAST PROPOSED SIGN.
THIS PROPOSED SIGN IS SUBMITTED AS NUMBER FOUR.
IT IS TO BE INSTALLED ON THE SOUTHEAST FACADE FACING CORBIN STREET.
THESE ARE 10 INCH CHANNEL LETTERS.
THIS IS THE SECOND OF TWO FLAT ATTACHED SIGNS TO BE INSTALLED ON THIS FACADE.
THIS SIGN WILL CONTAIN FOUR WORDS AND WILL NOT PROJECT MORE THAN FOUR INCHES.
IT'LL, IT'LL READ SPRING HILL SUITES BY MARRIOTT.
AND LAST TIME AROUND THE, THEY SUBMITTED A RECEPTION INSTEAD OF OH, OKAY.
IS THAT KIND OF THEIR ENTRANCE OR? THIS WOULD BE THE ENTRANCE.
AND THESE ARE THE SIGNED DETAILS.
10 FOOT FIVE AND FIVE 16 INCH BY 17TH AND SEVEN EIGHTH INCH, 15.6 SQUARE FOOT.
AND THE COLORS ARE WHITE AND IT'S THE SAME STYLE.
THE RECESSED CHANNEL LETTERS WITH PHONE ON WHITE, PHONE ON, AND HERE'S PICTURES AROUND THE SUBJECT SITE.
SIGNS AROUND THE DISTRICT AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
THE ONLY RESERVATION I HAD, AND I MENTIONED THIS TO SCOTT EARLIER, IS THAT DO NOT ENTER SIGN BECAUSE OF THE PARKING GARAGE.
UH, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO SEE
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THAT AND NOTICE IT WELL ENOUGH BECAUSE IT JUST BOTHERS ME THAT IT'S SO MUTED.I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE SIGN.
IT'S JUST I HAVE ACCIDENTALLY TURNED IN THE WRONG WAY ON A GARAGE ONE TIME BECAUSE IT WAS NOT CLEARLY DESIGNATED.
AND THEN PANIC, TRYING TO GET BACK OUT.
I I BET I HAVE PUT UP THOUSANDS OF THOSE
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY A DISCLAIMER SIGN.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WITH THE RUSSIAN ALUMINUM, AT LEAST IT'S TASTEFUL.
UH, IF YOU SAW WHAT THEY HAD BEFORE, UH, YOU WOULD BE APPALLED.
I THINK I REMEMBERED THE OTHER SIGN BECAUSE IT WAS AT THOSE TEETH.
WHAT'S GOING ON GUYS? THIS REALLY NICE LOOKING TEETH.
YEAH, THAT MUST BE A DENTAL ADVERTISEMENT.
BUT, UH, I'M SORRY, I'M HAVING ISSUES WITH WEBEX.
I'M, UH, YOU KNOW, WE RUN INTO THAT QUANDARY ALL THE TIME OF, OF PUTTING A SIGN UP, THEN IT STARTS LOOKING LIKE IT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T PUT AN ID UP THERE BECAUSE THEN IT LOOKS LIKE AN ENTRY, UM, DESTINATION.
AND REALLY THEY'RE JUST THROWING A DISCLAIMER UP, YOU KNOW, SAYING THIS IS EXIT ENTER FROM THE OTHER SIDE.
SO, UH, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT PERSONALLY.
IT'S JUST ME AND HAVING HAD MY ONE EXPERIENCE OF GOING THE WRONG WAY INTO A GARAGE ONE TIME, I'M FREAKED OUT NOW.
WE DO HAVE A REGISTER SPEAKER.
WE DO HAVE A REGISTERED SPEAKER I'M TRYING TO BRING IN ON.
WE JUST HAVE, I'M HAVING KEYS WITH, UH, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONLY OBSERVATION HE HAVE TEETH.
DOES HE HAVE GOOD LOOKING TEETH? OH,
I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD HIM ON HER.
ARE YOU THERE, NICK? I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.
WE'VE TOTALLY DECIMATED YOUR SIGNS NOW.
WE LIKE THE, THE LOOK OF THE SIGNS AND EVERYTHING.
SO YOU WANNA FILL US IN ANY OBSERVATIONS OR COMMENTS? PLEASE, SIR? UM, I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY, ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, UM, COMMENTS TO MAKE REGARDING THE SIGNS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF ALL ON THE SAME PAGE HERE.
AND, UH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE FOR ME.
MURPHY TODD, DID YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NICHOLAS? I I, SO YOU'RE DOING OPEN FACE, UH, CHANNEL LETTERS WITH, WITH, UH, NEON ROPE LIGHTING TO ADDRESS HIMSELF IN THAT, HIS ADDRESS? UH, YEAH, PROBABLY IT, IT IS A, IT IS A PHONE NEON SYSTEM.
I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A ROPE LIGHTING.
UM, I KNOW THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS AS FAR AS AS, UH, THE, THE PHONE NEON SYSTEM, BUT I CAN ABSOLUTELY, UM, UM, KIND OF DIG INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND BRING SOME MORE CLARITY AS TO THE EXACT SYSTEM INTENDED TO BE USED.
AND LOUIS, WE HAVE ONE REQUEST BECAUSE WE CAN'T ACTUALLY COUNT YOU AS PRESENT IN THE ROOM UNLESS YOU TURN YOUR CAMERA ON.
SO CAN YOU TURN YOUR CAMERA ON PLEASE, SIR? DO WE HAVE THE CAMERA AVAILABLE WHILE, WHILE HE'S DOING THAT? I THINK, SCOTT, IN THE OVERVIEW, THE NARRATIVE YOU WERE GOING THROUGH ON SIGN 0 1 1, YOU MENTIONED THAT WAS A BOX SIGN.
YEAH, I, I NOTICED THAT IT'S NOT ACTUALLY A BOX SIGN THAT'S A, A DIRECT MOUNT CHANNEL LETTERS.
IF WE COULD JUST CLARIFY THAT FOR BEFORE IT GOES TO, UH, C PC, PLEASE.
I, I ALREADY MADE NOTE OF THAT.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN SWITCH IT OVER ON THIS ONE.
HE HAS TO SWITCH TO CELL BACK IN.
I'M NOT SURE IF HE CAN CONNECTION THAT.
SO FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOUR CAMERA'S NOT SHOWING UP.
LET'S SEE IF IT'LL LET ME JOIN AUTOMATICALLY.
YOU MAY HAVE TO LET HIM BACK ON.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA FORCE ME TO JOIN ON, UH,
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FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE CAMERA ON THIS LAPTOP ISN'T WORKING.I'M GONNA TRY AND JOIN FROM A LAPTOP I HAVE RIGHT HERE, SO I'M NOT LEAVING.
I'M JUST TRYING TO SWITCH TO A, TO A MORE THAT'S FINE SYSTEM.
DO YOU HAVE, DON'T LET HIM IN.
CAN EVERYBODY STILL HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
NOW NICK, YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
MY NAME IS NICK CARAM AND MY ADDRESS IS 2 6 0 4 PELETON DRIVE IN FORT WORTH, TEXAS 7 6 7 9.
DO WE NEED TO REPEAT THE CLARIFICATION? YOU GET REPORTED IT ALREADY, BUT HE WAS NOT VISIBLE.
JUST WOULD YOU JUST REPEAT YOUR CLARIFICATION TO THE PREVIOUS QUESTION SO THAT WE GET IT OFFICIALLY ON THE RECORD THIS TIME? YEAH.
SO THE SIGNS WILL BE, WILL, WILL HAVE A
AND, AND IF NECESSARY, I CAN, I CAN, UH, I CAN GET CLARITY ON THAT.
IT, IT WAS MORE CURIOSITY THAN ANYTHING, UH, ON MY BEHALF.
UM, 'CAUSE WE
WHAT I ANTICIPATE IS THAT IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD USE AN ACRYLIC, UH, PUSH THROUGH TO, TO REPLICATE THE PHONE EON LOOK, BUT THEY COULD POSSIBLY USE A AIS.
AND WE HAVE TIME TO GET THAT CLARIFICATION BEFORE THIS WOULD MOVE ON TO CC, SO THAT'S OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, GENTLEMEN? NO MA'AM.
THEN DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SURE.
I MOTION TO APPROVE ALL FOUR SIGNS.
MR. MURPHY, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
SO WE WILL DO OUR LITTLE ROLL CALL.
AND THE CHAIR APPROVES DESPITE THE GR VOICE THIS MORNING.
AND, UH, WE HAVE, THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS ON THIS.
HOWEVER, WE NEED TO GO OVER THE MINUTES AND I WAS NOT HERE FOR THE LAST MEETING, SO WOULD YOU GUYS LOOK OVER THE MINUTES AND SEE IF THEY ARE CORRECT AS STATED? I DID REVIEW THOSE.
I SAW NOTHING THAT, UH, LOOKED OUTTA LINE.
I SAW NOTHING THAT LOOKED OUTTA LINE EITHER.
UM, THEN IF THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THE MINUTES, THEY STAND APPROVED AS STATED.
AND DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER BUSINESS? SCOTT, ANYTHING? DO YOU HAVE UPCOMING CASES OR ANYTHING TO NOTIFY US OR, UH, NOT AT THE MOMENT.
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON, UH, BILLBOARDS.
WE, WE'LL HAVE ONE MORE INDUSTRY MEETING.
UH, WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE ON THAT.
UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UH, THEY'VE BEEN, ODDLY ENOUGH THEY'VE BEEN ASKING FOR A, A FEE ALTERNATIVE WHERE THEY CAN PAY A LARGE FEE.
UM, HOW MANY BILLBOARDS DO WE CURRENTLY STILL HAVE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS? 'CAUSE THERE WAS A MOVE, GOSH, 10, 15 YEARS AGO TO REMOVE BILLBOARDS BECAUSE THEY'RE FEDERALLY REGULATED.
WE CANNOT ACTUALLY, THERE'S NOT A LOT.
THERE WAS SOME SORT OF BONUS OR SOMETHING IMPLIED SCOPE.
I JUST DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS.
IT WAS LIKE, YEAH, IF YOU TOOK DOWN A BILLBOARD, YOU GOT TO DO SOMETHING DIGITAL.
YOU GET DIGITAL, YOU COULD TAKE, YOU TAKE DOWN THREE, YOU CAN GET A DIGITAL.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT NOW AND THEN, UH, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF GOTTEN STAGNANT AND WE CAN'T FORCE ANYBODY TO TAKE ANYTHING DOWN BECAUSE IT'S FEDERALLY REGULATED
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AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.AND IT'S FEDERALLY REGULATED BECAUSE IT'S WHAT USUALLY OUTSIDE ON MAJOR THOROUGH AFFAIRS OR HIGHWAYS.
THE HIGHWAY UNIFICATION ACT OF 1968.
AND, BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, LET'S SEE HERE, GOT THE LIST UP APPROXIMATELY, APPROXIMATELY 830.
AND THEN WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS REWRITE IS TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO WRITE IT, GET CONSISTENCY.
WELL, WE'RE TRYING, NOT ONLY ARE WE CLEANING IT UP MM-HMM
WE'RE CLEANING IT UP AND WE'RE GIVING, WE'RE GIVING THEM OPPORTUNITY TO TRADE IN MORE, WHICH WOULD DECREASE THE NUMBERS.
BUT IT WE'RE ALSO WRITING IN MORE, UH, UM, WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY, OSCAR? REDUCE LIKE IN THE LONG, IN THE LONG RUN TO TO REMOVE THEM.
AND HAVE THAT, UH, UH, ENFORCEMENT ENFORCE THAT.
ALL OF THESE THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY IN GOOD STANDING.
WE'RE TRYING TO WRITE IN SOME ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURES SO THAT WE CAN GET RID OF 'EM.
SO IF THEY'RE DETERIORATING OR SOMETHING, YOU COULD LITERALLY SEE THAT THEY GET TAKEN DOWN.
OR YOU BECAUSE, UH, A BILLBOARD BY ANY OTHER NAME.
IEE PREMISE SIGNS AND SHOPPING CENTERS AND STUFF THAT HAD THE SAME DIMENSIONS AS BILLBOARDS.
ARE THOSE IN THAT COUNT OF 830 YOU MENTIONED? NO.
THEY'RE STILL CONSIDERED JUST PREMISE SIGNS.
BECAUSE THERE'S A FOREST OF 'EM ON CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY COMING SOUTHBOUND.
ANY OTHER UPCOMING THINGS WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF? NOTHING COMING UP SOON.
THE ART DISTRICT WE'RE GOING TO GO TO, IT'LL BE THE BILLBOARDS, THEN THE ARTS DISTRICT COMING NEXT.
AND HOW MUCH REWRITE IS GOING INTO THE ARTS DISTRICT? BECAUSE WE HAD THE S IT'S GONNA BE A LOT.
'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING RID OF THAT AND GOING INTO THE, UH, UM, SO WE, WE HAVE TO, TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY TOO FOR, FOR THAT MM-HMM
I'M PLANNING IN, IN, UH, HAVING LIKE THE MEETINGS.
THEY'RE ALSO REQUIRED BY, BY THE STATE ALONE.
AND THEN WHAT I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING AT WILL BE THE CODE FOR THE PDS, THE CODE FOR, UM, THE CODE FOR, FOR THE ART DISTRICT.
AND THEN TRY TO SEE WHAT, UH, MATCHES AND WHAT, UH, CONTRADICTS, UM, THE PD AND THE CODE.
AND I, WE NEED TO GO THROUGH ROLL CALL.
DAVID DE YEAH, IT'S UH, 10 0 1 MA AND ROLL CALL.
THAT'S OUR INTERNAL, ISN'T IT? YES.
AND SCOTT WAS TALKING ABOUT MAYBE DOING JUST ONE BIG WALKTHROUGH SINCE THESE ARE ALL FOR THE SAME BUILDING.
IS THAT AGREEABLE GUYS? THAT IS AGREEABLE MURPHY.
CAN WE, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION AND MURPHY, WOULD YOU SECOND PLEASE? SURE.
I'LL MOTION TO TAKE ALL FOUR CASES AS ONE.
AT THE SAME TIME, MURPHY WEBSTER WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.
SO WE WILL REVIEW ALL FOUR CASES AND ONE FELL ASLEEP.
IS IT FREEZING UP ON YOU, SCOTT? NO, BUT LET ME, OKAY.
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ALL RIGHT.I'M THE SUPERVISOR OF THE SIGN REVIEW AND INSPECTIONS TEAM FOR PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT CITY OF DALLAS.
UH, TODAY WE ARE HERE FOR THE SPECIAL ASSIGNED DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, FEBRUARY 11TH, 2025.
WE HAVE FOUR CASES TODAY FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
WE HAVE CASE NUMBER 2 5 0 1 1 4 0 0 0 8 FOR 1907 NORTH LAMAR STREET, WEST END HISTORIC SIGN DISTRICT.
WE HAVE CASE NUMBER 2 5 0 1 1 4 0 0 0 9 19 0 7 NORTH LAMAR STREET, WEST END, HISTORIC SIGN, DISTRICT CASE NUMBER 2 5 0 1 1 4 0 0 1 0 19 0 7 NORTH LAMAR STREET, WEST END HISTORIC SIGN, DISTRICT CASE NUMBER 2 5 0 1 1 4 0 0 1 1 19 0 7 NORTH LAMAR STREET, WEST END HISTORIC SIGN DISTRICT.
ALL FOUR CASES ARE APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY CHASE SINGLETON OF PRIORITY SIGNS AND GRAPHICS FOR THREE FOE NEON ILLUMINATED ATTACHED SIGNS AND ONE NON ILLUMINATED FLAT ATTACHED SIGN AT NORTH LAMAR STREET.
ONE WILL FACE LAMAR, TWO WILL FACE CORBIN AND ONE WILL PROJECT FROM THE EAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING.
THESE ARE LOCATED IN THE WEST END HISTORIC SIGN DISTRICT.
IT'S ZONE CA ONE A 2 5 0 1 1 4 0 0 0 8 IS A 24.2 SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED UPPER LEVEL FLAT ATTACHED CABINET SIGN BEARING THE NAME SPRINGHILL SUITES BY MARRIOTT.
2 5 0 1 1 4 0 0 0 9 IS AN 18.5 SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED PROJECTING ATTACHED SIGN BEARING THE NAME SPRINGHILL SUITES BY MARRIOTT.
I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT BOTH OF THESE WERE PREVIOUSLY APPLIED FOR AND APPROVED BY THE COMMITTEE IN THE OCTOBER OF 2023 SESSION.
UM, THEY WERE, THESE, THESE ARE THE EXACT SAME APPLICATIONS THAT WERE APPLIED FOR BEFORE THE APPLICANT WITHDREW, BEFORE CPC.
THE NEXT TWO WERE APPLIED FOR, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN REVISIONS MADE SINCE THE PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS 2 5 0 1 1 4 0 0 1 0 IS A FIVE SQUARE FOOT NON ILLUMINATED, LOWER LEVEL FLAT ATTACH SIGN BEARING THE WORDS EXIT ONLY.
DO NOT ENTER 2 5 0 1 1 4 0 0 1 1 IS A 15.6 SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED UPPER LEVEL, FLAT ATTACHED CABINET SIGN BEARING THE NAME SPRINGHILL SUITES BY MARRIOTT.
APPLICABLE, APPLICABLE CODE SECTION MED 51 A DASH 7,100 WEST END HISTORIC SIGN DISTRICT.
THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR LANDMARK CAS AND HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
UH, THEY HAVE SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS TO REAL ESTATE FOR THE PROJECTING ASSIGN.
UH, THAT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED YET.
UH, THIS IS THE PURPOSE FROM 51 A DASH SEVEN 1002.
UH, I WON'T GO INTO THAT DETAIL.
YOU CAN READ ON YOUR OWN IF YOU WISH.
THE SUBJECT SIDE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE WEST END HISTORIC DISTRICT SITES APPROXIMATELY ONE AND EIGHT TENTHS MILES NORTHWEST OF CITY HALL SOUTH WITH SOUTH OF WOODALL ROGERS FREEWAY, AND IS DIVIDE 35.
THIS IS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION ON OUR SPSD MAP AS INDICATED BY THE STAR AND ARROW.
THIS IS AN AERIAL MAP AND A ZONING MAP OF THE BUILDING.
THE LOCATION CUSTOMER PROVIDED OVERHEAD MAP.
THIS IS FOR CASE 2 5 0 1 1 4 0 0 0 8.
THIS PROPOSED SIGN IS SUBMITTED.
A SIGN NUMBER SEVEN IS TO BE INSTALLED ON THE NORTHEAST FACADE FACING LAMAR STREET.
IT'S A TWO FOOT, ONE INCH BY 1 39 AND A HALF INCH WALL SIGN.
THIS IS LOCATED ABOVE THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
UH, THIS IS THE ONLY FLAT ATTACHED SIGN TO BE INSTALLED ON THIS FACADE.
THIS SIGN WILL CONTAIN FOUR WORDS AND WILL NOT PROJECT MORE THAN FOUR INCHES FROM THE FACADE.
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UM, AGAIN, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE EXACT SAME AS WHAT WAS APPLIED FOR PREVIOUSLY.THEY'VE MADE NO CHANGES TO IT SINCE.
AND YOU'LL SEE THE STAGGERED COLUMNS.
UM, AND WHAT THEY DID IS THEY BUILT A STRUCTURE TO, EXCUSE ME.
THEY BUILT A STRUCTURE SO THAT THE SIGN IS IN LINE WITH THE, UH, I RECALL.