* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [BRIEFINGS] [00:00:03] GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SCHOCK. PRESENT, DISTRICT TWO. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. PRESENT, DISTRICT THREE. COMMISSIONER HERBERT PRESENT, DISTRICT FOUR. COMMISSIONER FORSYTH. PRESENT, DISTRICT SIX. UH, CHAIR SHADI. PRESENT DISTRICT? UH, DISTRICT SIX. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. PRESENT. DISTRICT SEVEN. COMMISSIONER WHEELER. REAGAN. DISTRICT EIGHT. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN. I KNOW HE'S HERE. I I SAW HIM. HE'S HERE. YEAH. DISTRICT NINE. COMMISSIONER SLEEPER. DISTRICT 10. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT? YES. DISTRICT 11. COMMISSIONER NIGHTINGALE. HERE. DISTRICT 12. COMMISSIONER HAWK. DISTRICT 13. COMMISSIONER HALL HERE. DISTRICT 14, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND PLACE 15 VICE CHAIR RUBIN. I'M HERE. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE QUORUM, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONER. IT. TODAY'S THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 20TH, 2025, 9:06 AM WELCOME TO THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION, UH, COMMISSIONERS. AS ALWAYS, THIS IS A TIME JUST FOR QUESTIONS, UH, BETWEEN COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. WE'LL KEEP ALL OUR COMMENTS, UH, TO THE HEARING THIS AFTERNOON. UM, WE'RE GONNA JUMP RIGHT IN TO THE AGENDA. I'M SORRY. YEAH. COMMISSIONER WHEELER IS, IS ONLINE. UM, I THINK WE'RE GONNA DO OUR MINOR AMENDMENTS, UH, BRIEFING PER REQUEST. DO WE HAVE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE NUMBER ONE, BRIEF COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? NO. NUMBER FOUR. OKAY. UH, NUMBER TWO. THREE. LET'S BEGIN WITH BRIEFING NUMBER FOUR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, WORKING HOUSE CHILD. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CASE M 2 34 DASH 0 3 2. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN AND TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONED A TH TWO, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 21.23 ACRES. THE SITE IS LOCATED SOUTH LINE OF MARYBETH DRIVE BETWEEN DICKERSON STREET AND OSAGE PLAZA PARKWAY. IT IS LOCATED IN DISTRICT 12. THIS IS THE AERIAL ZONING AND LAND USE MAP. SO AS YOU CAN SEE TO THE NORTH, WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY. UH, TO THE WEST. WE ALSO HAVE SINGLE FAMILY. AND THEN TO THE SOUTH WE HAVE MU ONE, AND THEN TO THE EAST WE HAVE, UH, MF ONE A. THE BACKGROUND IS, UM, ON OCTOBER, 1996, THE SUP WAS ESTABLISHED FOR A PUBLIC SCHOOL USE. UH, IN MARCH 97, THERE WAS A MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE SITE PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN. IN JUNE, 2019, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AN AMENDMENT TO THE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2 2 9 2 8 FOR A PUBLIC SCHOOL OTHER THAN AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL USE. THE CURRENT REQUEST, UM, IS FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN AND TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN. SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION FOR THE REQUEST DETAILS. SO, UM, FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT, WHEN EVALUATING COMPLIANCE WITH THE STANDARDS FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT, THE PROPOSED PLANS MUST BE COMPARED TO THE ORIGINAL PLANS RATHER THAN THE LATER AMENDED PLANS. SO WITH THE CURRENT REQUEST, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE FOLLOWING CHANGES. UH, ONE IS TO MODIFY THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT TO ADD A APPROXIMATELY SIX 20, UH, SQUARE FOOT EDITION FOR A WALK-IN FREEZER. THERE WILL ALSO BE A ALL-WEATHER TRACK AND PRACTICE FIELD ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE SITE. THERE IS A [00:05:01] ENCLOSED, UH, AS PART OF THAT THERE, THE TRACK AND PRACTICE FIELD WILL BE ENCLOSED, UH, WITHIN A SIX FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE. THE DUMPSTER LOCATION WILL ALSO BE SHIFTED TO ALLOW SPACE FOR THAT WALK-IN FREEZER. AND THERE ARE SOME TREES THAT WILL BE REMOVED IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEW TRACK AND PRACTICE FIELD. AND SOME OF THE TREES WILL ALSO BE REMOVED, UM, AND REPLACED IN REGARDS TO THAT. UM, AND THEN REPLACING ANY TREES THAT ARE NO LONGER IN, UH, HEALTHY GROWING CONDITIONS. AND THE AMEND, UH, THE TEXT OF THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN TO PROVIDE THE UPDATE. SO HERE WE HAVE THE ORIGINAL VERSUS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. HERE ARE THE CHANGES. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE RECONFIGURING IS ONLY HAPPENING TO THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE. AND THEN THIS IS THE ALL NEW TRACK AND PRACTICE FIELD AREA. THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL AND PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN. AND SO HERE IS THAT, UH, RESIDENTIAL BUFFER AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE LANDSCAPING. SO SOME TREES ARE REMOVED, BUT THEN THERE ARE PROPOSED REPLACEMENTS HAPPENING. AND THEN THIS IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN. AND THEN THIS IS THE, UH, PROPOSED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? UH, YES. UM, MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WELL, MY CONCERN, WELL, I HAVE TO ASK THIS QUESTION. UH, DID YOU HAVE ANY CONCERN THAT ADDING A TRACK AND PRACTICE IN ATHLETIC FIELD TO THIS SITE WITH THE, THAT HAS VERY CONSIDERABLE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY, WOULD THAT NOT BE CONSIDERED TO ALTER THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE, TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD? SO STAFF HAD EVALUATED THAT PORTION. WE DID DISCUSS THAT, YOU KNOW, ADDING THAT TRACK AND PRACTICE FIELD, BUT IT DID NOT PER OUR THING, IT DID NOT REALLY SEEM TO ALTER THAT BASIC RELATIONSHIP. UM, OKAY. I, I SEE YOUR POINT OF VIEW, BUT, UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT FREQUENT, WELL, FREQUENTLY, SOMETIMES, HOWEVER OFTEN YOU WANT TO SAY IN EITHER PDS OR IN SUVS, UM, WHEN THERE ARE PRACTICE FIELDS, ATHLETIC FIELDS INVOLVED, EITHER THE SUP OR THE PD, IF IT GOES THROUGH THE REGULAR ZONING PROCESS, CAN BE AMENDED TO INCLUDE HOURS OF OPERATION OR RULES FOR LIGHTING AND, UM, PROHIBITIONS ON AMPLIFIED MUSIC, THINGS LIKE THAT. DID YOU NOT THINK THAT THIS PROJECT MIGHT BE BETTER SERVED BY GOING THROUGH THE FULL ZONING PROCESS AND ALLOWING THE NEIGHBORS TO HAVE INPUT WHICH THEY DON'T HAVE DURING A MINOR AMENDMENT PROCESS? UM, I DID NOT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. RUBEN, CAN YOU JUST, CAN I JUST ONE QUICK COMMENT PLEASE. CAN I JUST ADD REAL QUICKLY THE, THE LOCATION OF THE FIELD, ATHLETIC FIELD IS, IT'S AGAINST PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL ROADWAYS AND WE'RE, WE'RE RETAINING THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER IN THOSE AREAS. SO, AND GENERALLY WE CONSIDER THE ADDITION OF ATHLETIC FIELDS TO BE ELIGIBLE UNDER A MINOR. UM, AND SO IT'S BASICALLY OUR THINKING ON THAT, BUT WELL, TO CLARIFY, UH, THE DETERMINING IF SOMETHING ALTERS A BASIC RELATIONSHIP IS A, ULTIMATELY A SUBJECTIVE DETERMINATION, CERTAINLY. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR, YOUR REPORT SAYS ALL WEATHER TRACK AND PRACTICE FIELD. WHAT IS, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY ALL WEATHER? SO ALL WEATHER IS JUST LIKE THROUGHOUT THE SCHOOL YEAR. IT IS JUST WHATEVER PURPOSE, THE TRACK WHEN PRACTICE FIELD WILL BE USED. I DON'T HAVE THE EXPLICIT DETAILS ON, UM, WHAT WILL BE THE EXACT USE LIKE IN TERMS OF SPORTS OR WHATNOT. BUT, UM, THAT WOULD BE IN, IN QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. OKAY. IF ANYTHING, YEAH. THANKS COMMISSIONER HAN. I JUST HAD ONE FOLLOW UP AND I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS FOR MS. GYER. UM, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS BEING RETAINED. UM, I DON'T SEE THAT CALLED OUT ON THE SITE PLAN. IS THAT EMBEDDED WITHIN THE PD CONDITIONS? UM, LET ME SEE. OR EXCUSE ME. SUP YES, I WAS LOOKING AT THE WRONG KEY. YES. SUP, UM, SORRY, GIMME ONE SECOND. SO THE ONLY CONDITION PERTAINING TO THE SEP ORDINANCE IS JUST LANDSCAPING MUST BE PROVIDED, UM, AS ATTACHED ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, BUT I CAN POINT OUT WHERE THAT IS BEING SHOWN. UM, SO RIGHT, THAT GROUPING OF TREES, YES. RIGHT THERE. UHHUH, AND YES. AND AS PER THAT, UM, THE CITY ARBOR DID REVIEW THAT AND THEY DID, UM, THEY HAD NO OBJECTIONS TO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . [00:10:01] COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE LEGAL STANDARD FOR WHAT YOU DO TO CONSIDER SOMETHING A MINOR AMENDMENT AND WHAT THIS BODY CAN DO IN TERMS OF CONSIDERING A MINOR AMENDMENT AND REJECTING SOMETHING AS A MINOR AMENDMENT? YES, I CAN. SO LET ME SEE. SO THE CRITERIA FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AMENDMENTS OF SUP, UM, IT'S A ALTERING THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TO ADJACENT PROPERTY. B, INCREASED THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS SHOWN ON THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN BY MORE THAN 10%. C INCREASED THE FLOOR AREA SHOWN ON THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN BY MORE THAN 5% OR A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, WHICHEVER IS LESS. D INCREASED THE HEIGHT SHOWN ON THE ORIGINAL SITE. PLAN E DECREASED THE NUMBER OF OFF STREET PARKING SPACES SHOWN ON THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN SO AS TO CREATE A TRAFFIC HAZARD OR TRAFFIC CONJUNCTION OR FAIL TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE PARKING. AND F IS REDUCING SETBACKS AT THE BOUNDARY OF THE SITE AS SPECIFIED BY A BUILDING OR SETBACK LINE SHOWN ON THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN. SO THAT WOULD BE FOR A SITE PLAN. AND AS FOR A, UM, MINOR AMENDMENT TO, UM, TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THAT WOULD BE, UM, A REDUCE THE PERIMETER LANDSCAPE BUFFER STRIP SHOWN ON THE ORIGINAL LANDSCAPE. PLAN B DETRIMENTALLY AFFECT THE ORIGINAL LANDSCAPE PLAN'S AESTHETIC FUNCTION RELATIVE TO ADJACENT RIGHT OF WAY OR SURROUNDING PROPERTY. AND C DETRIMENTALLY AFFECT THE ORIGINAL LANDSCAPE PLAN SCREENING OR, OR BUFFERING FUNCTION. AND THE SECOND PART OF MY QUESTION, UM, I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? SURE. YEAH. IF THIS BODY DOESN'T THINK THAT THIS QUALIFIES AS A MINOR AMENDMENT, WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS? UM, I DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION WITH ME. YOU CAN RECOMMEND, UH, DENIAL AND THEN IT CAN BE APPEALED TO COUNSEL. YES. OKAY. UH, THE BODY, IF THE, THE QUESTION BEFORE THE BODY TODAY FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS WHETHER THIS PARTICULAR, UM, PROPOSAL QUALIFIES TO BE CONSIDERED UNDER THE MINOR AMENDMENT, UH, CRITERIA. AND IF THE BODY DETERMINES THAT IT DOES NOT, I MEAN, A MOTION COULD BE MADE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL BASED ON IT NOT MEETING THAT CRITERIA, AND THEN THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAL TO COUNSEL ON THAT QUESTION. THANK YOU. UH, WE KEEPING THAT ON CONSENT COMMISSIONERS. LET'S TAKE IT OFF CONSENT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? ANY? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. IT'S OKAY. YOU'RE NOT DOING VERY WELL. I KNOW THAT'S IN A REALLY TOUGH SPOT. UM, OUR CHAIR, I'M SORRY, ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY LARGE EXPANSION TO THE PROJECT. I WOULD LIKE IT BRIEF. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T, I MISSED THAT QUESTION. OH, YOU'RE FINE. WHAT, WHAT NUMBER IS THAT? NUMBER TWO. THAT'S NUMBER TWO. LET'S BRIEF NUMBER TWO, PLEASE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MORNING COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS M 2 34 DASH 0 1 1. THE REQUEST FOR THIS MINOR AMENDMENT IS AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONE PD NUMBER 83 EAST LINE OF ALTOONA DRIVE, NORTHWEST LEDBETTER DRIVE, AND APPROXIMATELY 1.97 ACRES. THIS IS LOCATED IN DISTRICT THREE, AND THIS IS OUR AERIAL END ZONING SLASH LAND USE MAP. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS SURROUNDED BY THE NORTH, UH, UNDEVELOPED LAND TO [00:15:01] THE EAST, SINGLE FAMILY AND SOUTH UNDEVELOPED, AND RIGHT NEXT TO THE WEST IS MULTIFAMILY, ALL STILL WITHIN PD 38. SO SOME BACKGROUND FOR THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 38 WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 11TH, 1967 ON PROPERTY PREVIOUSLY SEWN ON R 10 SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT. THE AREA OF REQUEST IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A CHURCH SET FOR DELIVERANCE CHURCH PD NUMBER 38 REQUIRES CITY PLAN COMMISSION APPROVAL, DETAILED SITE PLAN, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF BUILDING PERMIT ON AN APARTMENT TRACK. ALTHOUGH THE REQUEST OF PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED WITH A CHURCH USED BECAUSE IT IS AN APARTMENT TRACK, A PLAN MUST BE APPROVED BY THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION BEFORE A PERMIT CAN BE ISSUED FOR THE PROPOSED EDITION. AND ON JULY 10TH, 2014, CITY PLAN COMMISSION APPROVED THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN ALLOWING FOR DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY WITH THE EXISTING CHURCH. AND THEN FOR THE CURRENT REQUEST HEADING TO REQUEST DETAILS, IT'S INCREASING THE FLOOR AREA BY APPROXIMATELY 3000 150 SQUARE FEET, UH, ADDING A STRUCTURE BEHIND THE EXISTING CHURCH BUILDING AND RECONFIGURING PARKING LAYOUT. NO CHANGES TO THE NUMBER OF SPACES PROVIDED AND PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE MET FOR THE SITE. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL VERSUS PROPOSED, AND THIS IS JUST THE ENLARGER VERSION OF THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN OR SLASH DEVELOPMENT PLAN. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER HERBERT? UM, YEAH, JUST, JUST A COUPLE. UM, DURING THESE AMENDMENTS, IT, IT SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE ENLARGING THE SPACE, UM, BY QUITE A BIT. UM, UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW, HOW MUCH OR WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO HERE? SO THEY'RE MAKING JUST A SMALL GATHERING PLACE. YOU'RE RIGHT BEHIND THE CHURCH. UM, THEY'RE NOT HAVING ANY FIXED SEATING, SO IT'S JUST KIND OF AN OPEN FLOOR PLAN. AND DID JUST, YOU SAID SMALL, BUT I READ IN THE REPORT IT WAS ENLARGING ABOUT 3,500 SQUARE FEET. IS THAT ACCURATE? 3001 50 SQUARE FEET? YES. 3001 50. OKAY. AND, UM, WHEN LOOKING AT THESE MINOR AMENDMENTS, DO WE, UM, LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AT ALL OR, UM, DISCUSS THE LANDSCAPING OF THE PROPERTY? UH, FOR THIS ONE, THEY DID NOT REQUIRE A LANDSCAPE PLAN TO BE SUBMITTED FOR CITY PLAN COMMISSION TO, UH, SEE IF IT'S A MINOR. SO IT WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF THROUGH PERMITTING. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, MY ISSUE AGAIN, RIGHT, WAS THE LACKLUSTER, UM, UH, LANDSCAPING OF THE PLACE TREES THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVED AND NOT REPLACED. THERE'S A, A NUMBER OF THINGS WHEN I DROVE BY YESTERDAY, BUT, UM, OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . CAN I THANK YOU, PLEASE, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, POINT OUT THAT FOR THE MINOR AMENDMENT PROCESS FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AS OPPOSED TO AN SUP, UM, THERE'S NOT A, A CRITERIA BASED ON HOW MUCH FLOOR AREA IS ADDED ON A DEVELOPMENT PLAN ATTACHED TO A PD, UNLIKE IS THE CASE FOR AN SUP. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPING, UM, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE PLAN HERE, UM, IS NOT NECESSARILY, I MEAN, WHEN THEY GO TO PERMITTING FOR THIS ADDITION, LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS WILL BE TRIGGERED BY THIS ADDITION. AND SO YOU SHOULD SEE AS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING, ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING BEING INSTALLED. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. UM, IT TAKES US TO NUMBER FIVE. WHAT DO YOU BY WANT NUMBER FIVE BRIEFED. COMMISSIONER ACK? NO QUICK QUESTIONS. I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER WHEELER HOUSE, RIGHT. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, WOULD YOU LIKE THIS ONE BRIEFED? THANK YOU. SORRY. YES. OKAY, LET'S HAVE THAT ONE BRIEF PLEASE. [00:20:21] GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. GOOD MORNING. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS ITEM M 2 45 DASH 0 0 1. UM, UM, UH, THE APPLICANT, IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN THAT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR LARGE RETAIL USES. UH, IN SECTION 51 A DASH 4.605 OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE AS AMENDED. UM, THE USE IS A HOME IMPROVEMENT CENTER, LUMBER, BRICK, UH, BUILDING MATERIAL LAND, LAND SALES YARD USE. THAT'S A HUNDRED, UH, SQUARE FEET AND MORE. IT'S LOCATED IN THE REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT. IT IS 11.8 8.12 ACRES, AND IT'S IN COUNCIL DISTRICT NUMBER SEVEN. HERE IS THE, UH, AREA OF THE PROPERTY ALONG, UH, IN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY. UM, IT'S CLOSE TO, UM, MESQUITE, RIGHT EAST OF IT IS THE CITY OF MESQUITE. YOU'LL SEE ALSO IN MY AREA OF MAP. SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CITY PLAN COMMISSION APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN, ALLOWING FOR ONE EXCEPTION OF THE ROOF DESIGN, TWO EXCEPTION OF THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FOR OUTDOOR DISPLACED CELLS AND STORAGE AREAS. AND THREE, A VARIATION TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR SCREENING AT THE ART AT THE GARDEN CENTER. SO CURRENTLY THERE IS A LARGE RETAIL BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY THAT WAS BUILT IN 1966, ALSO SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY. THERE'S ALSO A AUTO RELATED USE THAT WAS BUILT IN 1974. UH, THESE TWO BUILDINGS WILL BE DEMOLISHED AND THEN THE NEW BIG RETAIL WILL ACTUALLY BE REDEVELOPED ON THE SITE. AND WITH THAT BIG RETAIL BEING REDEVELOPED, THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH DESIGN STANDARDS FOR LARGE RETAIL, UM, BIG BOX STORES. SO HERE'S MY AREA REVIEW OF THE PROPERTY. HERE IS THE ZONING MAP ACTUALLY SHOWING THE PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED, ALSO SHOWING SURROUNDING USES TO THE NORTH. THERE'S A AUTO DISPLAY, UH, AND OFFICE, AND ALSO SOME WAREHOUSES. AND, UH, RR UM, ALONG THE WEST EVERYTHING IS RR AND THERE'S ALSO SOME RETAIL, THERE'S RESTAURANT, THERE'S, UH, PERSONAL SERVICE. AND THEN ALSO TO THE SOUTH, UH, WEST, UH, THERE IS A LARGE, UH, RETAIL STORE. AND THEN, AS I STATED EARLIER, TO THE EAST, UH, THE CITY OF MESQUITE. AND THERE'S SOME WAREHOUSES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BUCKNER. SO FOR THE REQUEST, THE EXCEPTION FOR THE ROOF DESIGN. SO THE CODE SAYS THAT FOR THE ROOF DESIGN FOR BIG BOX STORES, THEY HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE, UH, OF THE TWO DESIGNS. AND THE FIRST ONE IS A PARAPET THAT HAS A HORIZONTAL TOP, HAVING A HEIGHT CHANGE OF AT LEAST ONE FEET OCCURRING HORIZONTALLY, NO LESS THAN EVERY A HUNDRED FEET. THE PARA PARAPETS THAT DO NOT HAVE A HORIZONTAL TOP MUST HAVE A PICTURE ROUND TOP WITH A PATTERN THAT REPEATS OR VARIOUS, OR VARI WITH VARIOUS ARE VARIOUS, NO LESS THAN EVERY A HUNDRED FEET. UH, ALL PARAPETS MUST BE DETAILED, UH, SUCH AS CORS MOLDING TRIMS, VARIATIONS OF BRICK AND COR BRICK CORSON. SO FOR THE SLOPE ROOF, UM, THERE'S REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT. UH, I PUT THIS ON HERE EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT, UH, PROPOSING THIS, BUT THIS IS WHAT THE CODE SAID. THE SLOPE MUST HAVE AT LEAST A FIVE 12. THERE MUST BE TWO SLOPE, UH, PLANES, AND THEN ALSO THEY MUST HAVE A EAVE OVERHANG HEAVE EVE, NO MORE THAN THREE FEET. UM, SO FOR THE EXCEPTION FOR THE ROOF, THE CLIENT IS SAYING, THE APPLICANT IS SAYING THAT THEIR PARAPET WALL, THEY ARE HAVING A CHANGE OF 101 FEET. ONE, THEY ARE HAVING A CHANGE OF, OF, OF ONE FEET, BUT IT'S EVERY, IT'S LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET. UM, AND SO ALSO FOR THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, THEY'RE NOT DOING ANY OF THE ROOF DESIGN STANDARDS. UM, SO THEIR JUSTIFICATION IS THAT THE RAISED PARAPET WILL REQUIRE A CHANGE IN TILE PATTERN, COLOR TEXTURE, AS WELL AS REMOVER OF THE, THE PORTION OF THE HORIZON, THE BRANDING STRIPE. UM, THE APPLICANT IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE COMPETITIVE CHALLENGES OF THE LOSS OF THE BRANDING, UH, CAUSED BY THE REMOVING OF THE HORIZONTAL STRIPE. UM, THEY SAID THEY HAD ATTEMPT THIS DESIGN IN PREVIOUS STORES AND IT HAD A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON CUSTOMER RECOGNITION, RECOGNITION [00:25:01] AND SALES. UM, AS I STATED EARLIER, THERE'S NO PARAPET OR OVERHANG THAT'S GONNA BE PROPOSED AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING. SO HERE IS A, UH, REVIEW. THIS IS BASICALLY JUST A TEMPLATE FROM, UH, HOME DEPOT. THEY'RE STANDARD DESIGN FOR OTHER BIG BOX STORES THAT'S SHOWING, UM, THE MEASUREMENTS OF THE CHANGE FOR THE PARAPET WALL. AND AT THE REAR TWO, UM, THERE'S NOTHING. SO IT'S JUST GONNA BE A SLOPE. UH, I THINK IT'S A METAL BUILDING, SO JUST A SLOPE ROOF THAT HAS NOTHING AT THE REAR. SO FOR THE EXCEPTION, NUMBER TWO, FOR THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FOR OUR OUTSIDE DISPLACED SALES AND STORAGE AREA, THE CODE SAYS THAT MERCHANDISE MAY NOT BE DISPLAYED OR STORED IN PARKING. LOTS ARE ON SIDEWALKS ADJACENT TO THE FACADE EXCEPT IN SCREENED OUTDOOR DISPLACED SALES AND STORAGE AREAS. UM, SO THE APPLICANT'S SAYING STAGING OF OUTSIDE, UH, AND OUTSIDE STAGING OF OUTSIDE DISPLAYS ALONG THE FACADE, THEY DO REQUIRE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR STANDARD OPERATION. AND THEN ALSO THEY WOULD HAVE SEASONAL CELLS THAT'S IN THE PARKING LOT. UM, SO THEY SAID THAT THIS WOULD INHABIT THE BRAND STANDARD OPERATION, AND THEY, THE REQUEST, UH, EXCEPTION ALLOWS FOR THE OPERATION TO STAGE MATERIAL WITH HEAVY EQUIPMENT AND ALLOW CUSTOMERS TO ACCESS, ACCESS THOSE EQUIPMENTS. AND SO WE'LL ACTUALLY SEE THAT, UH, IN THE SITE PLAN WHEN I GET TO IT. SO THE LAST ONE IS THE VARIATION FOR THE SCREENING OF THE GUARDING CENTER. AND THE CODE SAYS OUTDOOR DISPLAY CELLS AND STORAGE AREAS SUCH AS NURSERY DEPARTMENTS MUST BE ENCLOSED BY SCREENING WITH A SOLID BASE WITH A MINIMUM OF THREE FEET SUBMERGED BY A ROCK RIGHT ON OR TUBULAR STEEL FENCE WITH A MINIMUM HEIGHT OF FIVE FEET. THE SCREENING MUST BE SURMOUNTED WITH A MINIMUM OF TWO FEET OF A, OF FACIA. WITH, WITH FACIA, WITH MATERIAL AND COLOR MATCHING THE MAIN BUILDING. NO MERCHANDISE OTHER THAN TREES MAY BE VISIBLE FOR THE SCREENING. UM, SO HERE IS THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. SO THEY'RE GONNA PROVIDE, PROVIDE A 20 FEET TALL MASONRY COLUMNS MATCHING THE BUILDING, UH, ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. UM, NO OTHER MASONRY COLUMNS WILL BE PROVIDED IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING OR THE REAR OF THE BUILDING. THEY ARE GONNA PROVIDE, UH, EXPAND METAL, MENTAL METAL, UH, MESH THAT'S, UH, ZERO TO 12 FEET. AND ARCHITECTURE MESH IS 12 FEET TO 20 FEET MOUNTED ON STEEL FENCE POSTS IN LIEU OF THE RAW IRON OR TUBULAR, UH, STEEL. THERE'S NO SCREENING, UH, NO SCREENING WALL WILL BE PROVIDED. SO INSTEAD OF PROVIDING THE BASE WALL, THEY ACTUALLY GONNA DO THE COLUMNS AND IN THE FRONT THEY'RE JUST GONNA HAVE SCREENING WITH, UM, STEEL POSTS AND FASCIA. SO THEY STATED THAT, UH, THE REQUEST SCREENING DESIGN STANDARDS WOULD INHIBIT THE BRAND STANDARD OPERATION AND DISRUPT CUSTOMER SALES AT THE GARDEN CENTER. THE APPLICANT BELIEVES THAT THE PROPOSED DESIGN, UH, THAT DEVIATES FROM THE COMPLIANCE OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS ALSO FIT THE SPIRIT OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS LAID OUT IN THE CODE. SO HERE IS THE SITE PLAN. HERE'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF THE SITE PLAN, THE NORTH PORTION THAT CALLS OUT, UH, DIFFERENT AREA. YOU CAN SEE THE SEASONAL CELLS IN THE PARKING LOT WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PLACE THAT. THEY ALSO HAVE SOME SHED DISPLAY, UH, ALONG HIGHWAY 30 CLOSER. AND THEN ON THE F SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THEY'LL SHOW WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA DO SOME STAGING AND SOME STORAGE OF SOME MATERIAL. AND SO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY TO THE REAR, YOU CAN SEE THEY HAVE STAGING, UH, OF SOME MATERIAL IN THE FRONT. THEY HAVE SOME DISPLAY CELLS, A PROPANE AND SOME MORE STAGING. AND THEN TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY, YOU SEE WHERE THEY HAVE THEIR BIG HEAVY TRAILERS AND DIFFERENT RENTAL MATERIAL THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PUT ON THE SITE WITHOUT SCREENING HERE ARE FROM SOME FEW SITE PHOTOS. UM, AND I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH HERE. THIS IS THE EXISTING BUILDING. HERE'S THAT INTERSECTION OF 30 AND BUCKNER. AND SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN ALLOWING, ALLOWING FOR ONE THE EXCEPTION OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS EXCEPTION FOR THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FOR OUTSIDE DIS DISPLACED SALES STORAGE AREA, AND ALSO A VARIATION TO DESIGN STANDARDS FOR SCREENING FOR THE GARDEN CENTER. AND THAT CONCLUDES THIS PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HALL. THANK YOU. MS. BLUE, UH, THERE ARE HOME DEPOT STORES ALL OVER DALLAS D [00:30:01] DOES THE DE DESIGN THEIR PROPOSING OF THIS STORE DIFFER FROM ANYTHING ELSE? NO, SIR. SO USUALLY FOR BIG RETAIL STORES LIKE WALMART AND HOME DEPOT, THEY ACTUALLY COME IN AND GET A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT EXEMPTS THEM. THEY CAN TAKE OUT THE DESIGN STANDARDS SINCE THEY'RE GONNA GO WITH BASE ZONING, WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED BY, RIGHT? AND REGIONAL RETAIL, THEY ALSO HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THESE DESIGN STANDARDS. SO THEY FEEL THAT THESE THREE DESIGN STANDARDS IS GONNA INTERRUPT THEIR OPERATION AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THE SEASONAL SALES IN THE PARKING LOT AND ITEMS LIKE THAT. AND THEN ALSO THE BRANDING OF THE COMPANY, THE WHOLE FACADE LAYOUT. SO THEY'RE COMING IN FOR EXCEPTION FOR THESE THREE ITEMS, ALL OTHER ITEMS THAT'S LISTED IN THE BIG BOX DESIGN STANDARDS, THEY WILL MEET THOSE AT, UH, PERMITTING. SO THIS SITE PLAN IS BASICALLY STATING THAT, UH, THESE THREE, THESE TWO EXCEPTIONS, AND THIS VARIATIONS CPC IS OKAY WITH THEM GOING FORWARD WITH THAT. AND THE REST OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS THEY WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH DURING PERMITTING. SO DO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING DIFFERENT HERE THAN THEY HAVE FOR OTHER HOME DEPOT DEPOTS? SO THE DIFFERENCE IS FOR THE OTHER HOME, NO, NOT REALLY FOR THE OTHER HOME DEPOTS, THEY ACTUALLY CAME IN AND CREATED A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. YEAH. AND SO WHATEVER DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WERE LISTED, THEY MIGHT HAVE COMPLIED WITH OR THEY MIGHT OR NOT COMPLY WITH. BUT SINCE SEEK FOR PDS, YOU CAN TAKE OUT THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND ADD YOUR OWN DESIGN STANDARDS. AH, OKAY. BUT SINCE THEY'RE NOT CREATING A PD AND THEY'RE GOING WITH THE BASE ZONING AND THEY HAVE THESE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH, AND THEY FELT LIKE THREES THREE WERE THE ONES THAT THEY NEED EXCEPTION OR VARIATION FROM BECAUSE IT ALTERS WHAT THEY HAVE PREVIOUSLY DONE ON OTHER STORES. THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. I DON'T MEAN, OR DO I NEED TO, I MEAN, I, I DON'T MEAN TO BE DENSE ABOUT THIS, BUT WHY DIDN'T THEY REQUEST A PD ? I, I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. YES. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, COMMISSIONER. CAN'T HEAR ME? WE CAN NOW. I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S KEEP GOING, UH, TO OUR ZONING CASES, OUR CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTS OF CASES SIX THROUGH 18 AND AT THIS POINT CASES 6, 7, 11, 12, AND MAYBE 13, I'M NOT SURE. 14. 14 AND 17 IS 13 COMING OFF CONSENT. COMMISSIONER, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK QUESTION. OKAY. OKAY. SO IT'S 6, 7, 11, 12, MAYBE 13, AND THEN 14 AND 17, HE'S GONNA BE PUT OVER FIVE. OKAY. SO NINE WILL COME OFF WILL BE HELD 6, 7, 9, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17. YES. 6, 7, 9, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17. OKAY, LET'S BEGIN WITH NUMBER SIX. GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. I ASSUMED YOU WANTED THE CASE BRIEFED. YES. OKAY. ITEM Z 2 2 3 1 67. UM, IS AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 36 AND ITS LAND USE MAP. UH, THE CURRENT ZONING, AS I SAID, IS PD NUMBER 1 36. THAT DEFAULTS TO CHAP, UH, TO R 7.5, WHICH IS A CHAPTER 51, UM, ZONING DISTRICT. AND IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTH CORNER OF WINSLOW AVENUE AND FAIRVIEW AVENUE. IT IS, UM, A LITTLE UNDER 7,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT. IT HAS A REAR ALLEY AND IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED. IT IS IN PARKVIEW OWEN WOOD NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST SOUTH OF I 30 ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN. THIS IS THE AERIAL AND THE UZ MAP. YOU CAN SEE ON THE AERIAL MAP, YOU CAN SEE THE SUB AREA REQUEST HIGHLIGHTED IN RED. IT IS SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST AND TO THE SOUTH. THE BLOCK IS DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEX USES TO THE WEST. THERE ARE INDUSTRIAL AND AUTO RELATED USES. ON THE ZONING MAP, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS SURROUNDED BY PD 1 36, BUT ALSO TO THE E [00:35:01] TO THE WEST. UM, THERE IS A CS COMMUNITY SERVICE, UM, OR COMMERCIAL SERVICE, COMMERCIAL SERVICE ZONING DISTRICT. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. PD 1 36 WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1982 JANUARY. IT IS APPROXIMATELY 23 ACRES. AS I SAID, IT DEFAULTS TO R 7.5, UM, BUT IT HAS AN EXCEPTION SAYING THAT THE LOTS INDICATED ON THELAN MAP CAN HAVE DIFFERENT TYPE OF USES AS DUPLEX. AND IT HAS SELECTED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE MODIFIED AS OPPOSED TO THE BASE ZONING. UM, THERE IS ONE LOT THAT IS INDICATED TO BE DEVELOPED WITH MULTIFAMILY AND THERE ARE A BUNCH OF LAWS THAT ARE INDICATED TO BE VACANT. THIS AREA OF REQUEST IS INDICATED ON THE LAND USE MAP AS A SINGLE FAMILY LOT. OH, I HAVE THE BACKGROUND SLICE TWICE, JUST FEW PICTURES FROM THE SITE. I AGAIN CHOSE TO PUT GOOGLE VIEWS JUST BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE, UH, VIEWS OR THE PICTURES ARE BETTER QUALITY AND HIGHER. UM, THE SITUATION IS THE SAME. I HAVE PICTURES FROM THE SITE IF YOU WANT ME TO SHARE. AS I SAID, THIS IS A CORNER LOT THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED. UH, THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE INTERSECTION NORTH OF IT IS ALSO A PARK. THIS IS A HISTORICAL VIEW IN MAY, 2018. IT SHOWS THAT THE LOT WAS DEVELOPED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. AND YOU CAN SEE THIS, UM, HOW IT LOOKED LIKE. THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE BACK OR FROM WINSLOW AVENUE, THE SIDE STREET. AND IT ALSO SHOWS THE CURRENT ALLEY THAT'S IN THE BACK. I'M GONNA DEEP DIVE A LITTLE BIT INTO THE HISTORY OR TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT, UM, THIS LOT AND ITS CONFIGURATION BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY PECULIAR. THE, UM, REQUEST IN FRONT OF US ALSO, UM, IS TO MODIFY THE STANDARDS, THE LOT SIZE AND THE LOT WIDTH JUST TO MATCH ITS CURRENT CONDITION BECAUSE THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE LOT IS NONCONFORMING. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, LIKE IT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN RED THAT ALL THE LOTS ON THE BLOCK, SOME OF THEM, THIS HAS A PECULIAR SHAPE. THE ONE TO THE, UM, TO THE EAST HAS A PECULIAR SHAPE AND SOME TO THE SOUTH AS WELL. JUST THE HISTORY, AND THIS IS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT AS WELL, ON HOW THIS LOTS EVOLVED. UM, YOU SEE F AVENUE, FAIRVIEW AVENUE HAD A DIFFERENT, UM, CONFIGURATION AND THE LOT WHEN, UM, THIS WAS PLANTED A LONG TIME AGO WAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. IN THE MEANTIME, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE BLACK LINES ON THE, ON THE PLAT MAP, THIS IS A MORE RECENT PLAT MAP THAT SHOWS THAT FIA AVENUE, UH, CHANGE ITS CONFIGURATION. AND BASICALLY THIS CORNER WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM THESE LOTS. AND THEN, UM, PER THE PROPERTY SURVEY, YOU'LL SEE, UH, THAT ACTUALLY THESE TWO LOTS, ONE AND TWO, THEIR PROPERTY LINE IS NOT AS IT'S SHOWN ON THE PLAT MAP. THIS IS JUST TO EXPLAIN THAT IN ORDER FOR BOTH OF THESE LOTS, UM, WHAT'S SHOWN ONE AND TWO IN HERE, THE WAY THEY ARE CONFIGURED RIGHT NOW TO BE BILLED, THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVE A LEGAL BUILD SITE AT PERMITTING. AND TO EXPLAIN THAT THE INTENT OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE TEXT WERE JUST TO LIKE MAKE SURE THAT IF THIS IS APPROVED AND GOES TO PERMITTING, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO PULL A PERMIT OR TO PLA THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT. WE ULTIMATELY WANT ALL THE PROPERTIES IN THE CITY TO BE PLATTED. UM, THIS IS THE PROPERTY SURVEY AND YOU'LL SEE PER THE SURVEY, UM, THE FRONT, UH, PROPERTY LINE IS 33 C, UH, 33 FEET IN, UH, WIDTH. AND THEN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE LOT IS 6,777 SQUARE FEET. THIS IS AN AERIAL. JUST TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT BETTER WHAT I JUST SAID. THERE IS AN, UH, THIS PD WAS, UH, SWITCHING GEARS A LITTLE BIT WAS CREATED AS A RESULT OF WHAT WAS IN 1981 NOVEMBER, AN AREA PLANNED FOR THREE, UM, NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY, MOUNT AUBURN, SANTA FE, PARKVIEW NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE AREA PLAN. AND THE AREA PLAN RECOMMENDED, UM, WHAT BECAME THE PD 1 36 RIGHT NOW. BUT YOU'LL SEE IT HAD THE INTENT TO HAVE STABILITY OF ZONING TO ALLOW MIXED, MIXED AND HIGHER DENSITIES IN THIS INNER CITY AREA. SO IT RECOGNIZED THAT, UH, AS AN INNER CITY AREA AS SUCH TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING CHARACTER TO ALLOW INFILL ON NUMBER OF LOTS. UH, THEY ALSO MENTIONED AFFORDABLE [00:40:01] HOUSING NEEDS BACK THEN INTO 1981. UM, AND DENSITY IS GREATER THAN AN R SEVEN FIVE STANDARDS. UM, AND THEN, UM, CON, UH, ALSO RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AND STANDARDS THAT WILL ENCOURAGE CONTINUANCE OF EXISTING USES AND DENSITIES. THIS IS THE UMAB FOR PD 1 36. AND YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPE OF DOTS. THE RARE OR MORE RARE THAT BASICALLY DESIGNATE EACH PROPERTY, EACH LOT IN, UM, THIS PD TO BE EITHER SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX OR VACANT LAND. THE, OUR AREA OF REQUEST, EVEN IN THIS PD CON UH, CONFIGURATION, YOU WILL SEE THAT IT HAS THE, THE LOT HAS A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION JUST FOR ME TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHY WE ARE PROPOSING OR THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING SOME CHANGES TO THE TEXT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR NON-CONFORMING LOT CAN BE DEVELOPED. UM, THIS IS A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE PD ONE 30 C SIX OUS MAP WHEN IT WAS CREATED IN 1982. AND THIS IS, UM, HOW IT LOOKS LIKE ON OUR ZONING MAP RIGHT NOW. YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS LITTLE CORNER HERE WAS ACTUALLY TAKEN AWAY AND TRANSFORMED INTO A PD DISTRICT AND APPARENTLY SOME OF THE PROPERTIES WERE, UM, ALSO ADDED TO PD 1 36. JUST TO EXPLAIN THE PD 1 36 WAS AMENDED BEFORE. WHAT WE'VE DONE TO MAKE IT EASIER TO NAVIGATE IS IN CASE THIS PASSES, WE WILL, UM, DIGITIZE THE UZ MAP AND ADD ON OUR GIS MAP. AND WE DO DID A COLOR CODING. THE SAME WE DID WITH PD 1 34. THIS IS JUST A RECAP OF THE ENTIRE PD. WHAT YOU CAN SEE IN GRAY ARE THE VACANT LOTS THAT WERE SHOWN AS VACANT WHEN THE PD WAS CREATED AND WHAT YOU SEE IN UM, ORANGE OR THE DUPLEX ONES. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY YELLOW IS SINGLE FAMILY. AND YOU'LL SEE OUR CORNER LOCKED, THE AREA OF REQUEST HIGHLIGHTED IN RED AND YOU SEE THAT HALF OF THE, THE SOUTHERN BAR, HALF OF THE LOG OF THE BLOCK ACTUALLY PER THE ORIGINAL PD ALLOWED DUPLEX USES. AND THEN I AM HIGHLIGHTING AND STRESSING ON THE VACANT LAND BECAUSE THE VACANT LOTS IS SHOWN ON THE ORIGINAL LAND USE MAP CAN BE DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY OR DUPLEX. UM, AND YOU HAVE A BREAKDOWN ON LOTS BY MY COUNT IF I'M OFF BY FEW, JUST DON'T HOLD ME VERY ACCOUNTABLE BECAUSE I COUNTED BY HAND JUST A LITTLE ZOOM IN ON THE AREA OF REQUEST AS WELL. BACK TO THE AERIAL MAP. AND I HIGHLIGHTED WHICH ARE THE DUPLEX USES IN THE BLOCK AND THE CROSS. YOU CAN SEE THEM MORE ON THE AERIAL MAP AS WELL. YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE LOTS ARE STILL VACANT AND ON VACANT, UNDEVELOPED NOW DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, I EXPLAINED THEM. THERE'S A TABLE IN THE STAFF REPORT. PD 1 36 GENERALLY DEFAULTS TO R 7.5, CHAPTER 51. I PUT A DUPLEX DISTRICT, UM, STANDARDS AS A COMPARISON SO YOU CAN, SO WE CAN ALL SEE THAT A DUPLEX IN PD 1 36 DOESN'T MEAN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE DUPLEX DISTRICT. SO YOU SEE, UH, PD 1 36 HAS ACTUALLY A FRONT YARD THAT IT'S SMALLER THAN R SEVEN FIVE, WHICH IS 10, UM, SIDE YARDS AND REAR YARDS STAY THE SAME. THE HEIGHT IS UH, 30 FEET AND THAT STAYS THE SAME. AND THESE ARE THE STANDARDS FOR A DUPLEX OR A SINGLE FAMILY, WHICH IS NOT AS OTHER BASE CODE. SO FOR THIS PD, DUPLEX AND SINGLE FAMILY HAS THE SAME DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. THIS PD ALLOWS SMALLER LOTS. UH, R SEVEN FIVE AS YOU KNOW, ALLOWS SEVEN OR SAYS THAT MINIMUM LOT SIZE MUST BE 7,500. THIS PD ALLOWS 7,250 AND THIS IS ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE CHANGES TO THE TEXT TO ACTUALLY ESTABLISH THE EXISTING LOT AS CONFIRMING TO ALLOW THEM TO TO BE PLOTTED. AND THEN THE LOT WITH THIS PD REQUIRES TO BE 50 AN R SEVEN FIVE REQUIRES 55. SO AGAIN, THIS PD ACKNOWLEDGES SMALLER LOTS, THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION. AND BECAUSE THIS LOT IS PECULIAR, THE PROPOSAL OR THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW 33 FEET TO JUST ALLOW THE LOT TO BE, UH, DEVELOPED. UM, WHAT I JUST SAID IS BASICALLY HIGHLIGHTED ON THE NEXT SLIDES AND HOW WE PROPOSE TO AMEND THE PD CONDITIONS TO ONLY REFER TO THIS LOT SPECIFICALLY. I ALSO WANTED TO MAKE A DISTINCTION THAT THE LOT WIDTH IS NOT, THE PROPERTY LINE WIDTH IS MEASURED AT THE FRONT SETBACK LINE. SO UM, I PUT 33 FEET IN THERE, BUT I THINK IF WE ARE TO MEASURE, PROBABLY THIS LOT HAS A WIDTH OF LIKE 40 SOMETHING, 45 OR SOMETHING. BUT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE CONSTRUCTION PLANS, I JUST WENT WITH THE, THE PROPERTY LINE. AND WITH THIS BEING SAID, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS [00:45:01] APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AMENDED LAND USE MAP AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS COMMERS COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AND THANK YOU MR. ANDREA. I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS, UM, ON THIS. UM, THANK YOU FOR COVERING A LOT OF THIS. THE PD, UM, YOU MENTIONED IT HISTORY. IT CAME OUT OF A HOLISTIC REVIEW WITH PLANNING STAFF ULTIMATELY RECOMMENDED A PD, UM, FOR THIS AREA. UM, ARE YOU AWARE OF WHAT THE ZONING WAS PRIOR TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE PD? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I WILL GO BACK AND LOOK, BUT I ASSUME IT WAS OUR SEVEN FIVE AND IT WAS SOME INDUSTRIAL AS WELL AND RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT IS REFLECTED IN THE CASE REPORT. AND AS YOU WENT THROUGH IT, THE HISTORIC PATTERN HAS BEEN THE SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEX. UM, BUT IT WAS OVERLAID, I BELIEVE WITH TOWNHOUSE AND THEN PRIOR TO THE PD, I BELIEVE THE AREA PLAN INDICATED INDUSTRIAL. IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK SO. I THINK SO. I'LL GO BACK AND I'LL VERIFY THAT. OKAY. AND I CAN EVEN BRING THE, THE AREA PLAN IF NEED BE. AND, AND DO YOU RECALL IF THAT HAPPENED AT THE TIME THAT UM, I 30 WAS CONSTRUCTED? WAS THAT IN THAT GENERAL TIME PERIOD? PROBABLY, YES. OKAY. I BELIEVE YOU . THANK YOU. WELL, AND I, AND I THANK YOU FOR THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE IT, WE DO HAVE THE 1980 REPORT. IT'S ON A MIMEOGRAPH AND WAS TYPED AT THE TIME. SO, UM, SOUTH OF THIS AREA, THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING STILL EXISTS. THERE'S, UM, CR EXCUSE ME, CS THAT IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT AND THEN IM, THAT'S JUST BEYOND THAT. AND SO YES. IS THAT A, I THINK IT'S A, A TOWING COMPANY THAT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY. THERE'S A PACKAGING PLANT, UM, THAT'S IN CLOSE PROXIMITY, UM, TO OUR EXISTING RESIDENTIAL. IS THAT ALL STILL THE WHAT'S ON THE GROUND TODAY? YES, YES. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. CORRECT. UM, AND THANK YOU FOR ALSO POINTING OUT, SO AT THE TIME THAT THIS PD WAS ADOPTED AND EVEN, YOU KNOW, UM, BACK TO 19, OR EXCUSE ME, 2018, I THINK IT MAY HAVE BEEN EVEN INTO THE 2020S, THERE WAS A HOUSE ON THIS LOT. UH, YEAH, I, I WENT THROUGH THE AERIAL, UH, HISTORICAL AERIAL VIEWS. I THINK I, I DON'T KNOW IF THE HOUSE THAT I SHOWED ON MY, UM, ON MY PICTURES IS THE ORIGINAL HOUSE THAT WAS THERE IN 1982. BUT IT IS AN ACCURATE STATEMENT THAT I COULD FIND ONLY PROOF OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE ON THIS PROPERTY. AND IS IT CORRECT THAT, THAT, UM, ANALYSIS HAD DONE, UH, AN ASSESSMENT OF THE TIES, TRYING TO HELP GIVE SOME CONTEXT AS AN EARLIER VERSION OF THIS BODY WAS, UM, ADOPTING THE PD? OH, I COULDN'T FOLLOW THE QUESTION. I'M SORRY. WELL, THERE WAS A CONDITION SUMMARY THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE AREA PLAN FOR ALL THE HOUSING. THERE WAS A CHART THAT TALKED ABOUT YES, YES, YES. AND UH, THE AREA PLAN ALSO HAS VERY SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW THE PD SHOULD BE WRITTEN. YES. AND THIS PD I THINK IS REFERRED TO AS AREA TWO OR SUBDISTRICT TWO, WHICH GIVES SOME CONFLICTING LANGUAGE IN THE PD, BY THE WAY. YEAH. AND I, I THINK MY NOTES WERE, IT WAS ONE A, BUT YES, THEY, THEY EVALUATED A NUMBER OF AREAS. UM, FOR CONTEXT WE HAVE RETAIL, OTHER THINGS EVEN IN THIS PD. UM, IN YOUR CASE REPORT, YOU UM, INCLUDED THE INFORMATION ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, PLUS PLAN. WAS THIS AREA PART OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD PLUS? UM, I THINK SO. I WILL GO AND REVISIT, I THINK SO I THINK THE INTENT WAS TO JUST, UH, REFER A LITTLE BIT TO THE FOUR DALLAS THAT WAS BACK THEN. OKAY. UM, I, AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH NEIGHBORHOOD PLUS 'CAUSE THERE WERE SOME, UM, COMMUNITIES IN DISTRICT TWO AND I DIDN'T SEE OWEN WOOD BEING LISTED. THIS IS A FOCUS AREA. YES, I DON'T THINK IT IS. OKAY. AND SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS RELATED TO THAT, AND IT WAS A QUESTION I'D GOTTEN FROM SOME STAKEHOLDERS, WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CITY INITIATIVES IN THIS AREA, IS THAT CORRECT? FROM THIS AREA PLAN? THERE'S A COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANT. I THINK CURRENTLY IT HAS SOME HOME OWNER ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS THAT IT'S A TARGET AREA. ARE YOU AWARE OF THOSE, UM, OTHER CITY PROGRAMS? NO. AND I WOULDN'T CHECK THAT WITH ZONING. NO, I HAVE NOT. OKAY. BUT I CAN VERIFY OF COURSE WITH THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT. OKAY. AND THEN I THINK ONE OF THE NOTE ITEMS THAT WAS NOTED, UM, HAD TO DO WITH AFFORDABILITY AND, UM, HOW NEW USES WERE COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA. UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE THE R 75 SOME MODIFICATIONS, UM, IN YOUR PHOTOS THAT YOU HAD, DOES THAT REFLECT THE SCALE AND CHARACTER OF THE HOUSING THAT THAT EXISTS TODAY? UH, IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN THE PD [00:50:01] ALLOW BIGGER, BULK AND MASS THAN WHAT IS BUILT TODAY. SO IF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS BUILT ON THIS IS GONNA BE, IS GONNA LOOK SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME NEXT DOOR. AND, AND THAT, THAT APPLIES TO BOTH. AGAIN, DUPLEX IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER 'CAUSE IT ALSO HAS TO FOLLOW THE R 75 STANDARDS AS MODIFIED. BUT THE, THE BOTH E ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION IS GONNA BE LARGER THAN THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. ABSOLUTELY, YES. AND THERE'S BEEN A FEW HOUSES THAT ARE MODIFIED. I THINK THERE'S, I SAW TWO, TWO STORY HOUSES WHEN I TOURED THE COMMUNITY, BUT BY AND LARGE THEY'RE ONE STORY FRAME BUNGALOW STYLE. IS THAT WHAT YOU YES, THERE ARE, THERE ARE SMALLER HOUSES. ONE STORY THAT'S THE GENERAL, UH, FEEL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YES. SO I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AS WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT, UM, NEW DEVELOPMENT ON WHAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. DID YOU HAVE ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT ON WHETHER THOSE TYPES OF CONSIDERATIONS MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SITE? NO, WE JUST, WE JUST LOOKED AT THE EXISTING PD AND WHAT CAN BE DONE. NO, I DID NOT ASK FOR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OR SUGGESTED ANY BECAUSE THERE AREN'T FOR SIMILAR DUPLEXES IN THE AREA. THERE AREN'T ANY, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. 'CAUSE I, AND I, THAT WAS ACTUALLY MY NEXT QUESTION WAS THE DUPLEXES THAT ARE ON THE GROUND TODAY. THOSE ARE STILL THAT SORT OF SMALLER FOOTPRINT. ONE STORY, UM, YOU KNOW, SMALLER HOUSING. UM, BUT THAT, THAT WASN'T ANYTHING THAT WAS REVIEWED WITH THE APPLICANT. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BUT IF A DUPLEX OWNER ON THE EXISTING DUPLEX LOT TEARS IT DOWN AND WANTS TO REBUILD THE NEW ONE, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS. NO. SO THEY WILL MAX OUT. SO IN FAIRNESS, THAT'S HOW I LOOKED AT IT. IF, LET'S SAY ALL THE EXISTING LAWS THAT ARE DESIGNATED AS DUPLEX NOW DUPLEX RIGHT NOW WILL BE REDEVELOPED. THEY WILL BE REDEVELOPED UNDER THE STANDARDS OF THE PD. NO, UNDERSTOOD. AND THANK YOU. THAT WAS ACTUALLY GONNA BE ONE OF MY OTHER QUESTIONS. UM, WAS THAT AS I READ THE PD, AND I THINK YOU MENTIONED THIS IN YOUR BRIEFING, WHERE THERE'S EXISTING DUPLEX LOTS, ANYTHING CAN BE REDEVELOPED IN THE PD, BUT EXISTING VACANT LOTS CAN BE DEVELOPED WITH EITHER SINGLE FAMILY OR DUPLEX. THAT IS CORRECT, YES. OKAY. AND SO IF THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WOULDN'T HAVE COME BEFORE US IF THIS WAS ON ONE OF THE VACANT LOTS BECAUSE THEY COULD HAVE SIMPLY GONE TO BILLING PERMIT, GOTTEN THEIR PERMIT FOR A DUPLEX AND AS LONG AS THEY'RE COMPLIANT WITH THE PD, NOTHING WOULD'VE COME BEFORE THIS BODY. YES. AND THAT IS THE POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IN HERE TO SAY THAT CUMULATIVELY 12 LOTS ARE DESIGNATED AS DUPLEX, BUT THE ONES THAT ARE DESIGNATED AT VACANT, VACANT LOTS CAN BECOME DUPLEXES LATER. ALSO THE PD, AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I DIDN'T DO ANY HISTORICAL INQUIRIES. THE PD ALSO INCLUDES ANOTHER STATEMENT TO SAY THAT IF A LOT CAN BRING IN A PROOF THAT AT ANY TIME IN ITS EXISTENCE WAS A DUPLEX, THEY CAN CONVERT BACK TO BEING A DUPLEX. SO, UM, SUFFICE TO SAY THAT IT IS FLUID. RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT'S, I KNOW A NUMBER OF OUR OLDER AREAS OF TOWN THOUGH, I THINK HAVE THAT SIMILAR LANGUAGE. YES. 'CAUSE THERE HAD BEEN SO MUCH, UM, VARIATION OVER TIME. DO YOU KNOW ROUGHLY, AND I GUESS I CAN DO THE MATH HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF DUPLEX IS, WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF VACANT LOTS ARE. I AM RETURNING BACK TO THE, TO THE LAND MAP BECAUSE THAT'S THE ENTITLEMENT THAT'S ON THE LAND. AND THAT'S WHY I DID THE CALCULATION IS 63 ARE INDICATED AS SINGLE FAMILY, 12 AS INDICATED AS DUPLEX AND 17 ARE INDICATED AS VACANT. AND I WILL SAY IT LOOKS LIKE THE NUMBER OF LOTS MAY VARY FROM, UM, WHAT WAS IN THEIR PREVIOUS PLAN. AND I KNOW YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT NOW THAT WE'RE DIGITIZING, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THESE ALIGNED, BUT I THINK ROUGHLY IT WAS 16% WERE DUPLEX. I THINK THERE WAS ABOUT 12% THAT WERE, UH, VACANT. AND SO AGAIN, RIGHT AROUND 30%, 30 SOMETHING, YES. 33 UM PERCENT, UH, POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE A DUPLEX. YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. YES, YES. UM, SO THE, WHERE THE DUPLEXES ARE ARE LOCATED, THEY'RE REALLY CLUSTERED ON KENMORE STREET JUST SOUTH OF FAIRVIEW. IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE MAP IS SHOWING HERE. SHOWING THAT THE MAP IS SHOWING YES, YES. RIGHT. AND SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SPRINKLED WITHIN, UM, DO YOU KNOW IF THAT'S FAIRLY COMMON IN OLDER PARTS OF TOWN WHERE, UM, DUPLEXES WOULD, WOULD BE CLUSTERED, UM, WITHIN DIFFERENT AREAS? HAVE YOU SEEN THAT PATTERN ELSEWHERE? SURE. IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. WELL, AND I GUESS SOME OF OUR OTHER LAND USE MAPS WHERE WE'VE HAD THESE TYPES OF DISCUSSIONS, THERE ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A PATTERN ABOUT WHERE [00:55:01] DUPLEXES WERE ORIENTED. I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU HAD OBSERVED THAT. IT DEPENDS IF THE DUPLEX IS AN ALLOWED USE. UM, AND I'M HIGHLY SPECULATING RIGHT NOW, WHICH I DON'T LIKE. UM, SO LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A D ZONING DISTRICT, PROBABLY IF THE MARKET IS STILL THIRSTY FOR DUPLEXES INSTEAD OF DEVELOPING SINGLE FAMILY, YOU WOULD DEVELOP A DUPLEX. AND IT THE SAME FOR MULTI-FAMILY. LIKE MY PART OF TOWN WHERE I LIVE IS, UH, ZONING IS MF OF COURSE, LIKE IT'S LESS SINGLE FAMILY BECAUSE IF THE MARKET IS STILL THIRSTY FOR MORE DENSITY, THAT IS GONNA DELIVER A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSITY. THANK YOU. UM, I THINK TWO, I HAVE A FEW OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I, I KNOW OTHER COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE SOME, UM, IS, IS IT CORRECT, I, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE COMMUNITY HAS REACHED OUT REGARDING THINKING ABOUT THIS, UM, AREA HOLISTICALLY AS WE'RE STARTING TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT. UM, HAVE THEY CONTACTED YOU OR ARE YOU AWARE, UM, WITH THE GENTRIFICATION PRESSURES THAT, THAT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING, UM, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS INTERESTED IN, UM, REVIEWING WITH STAFF. SO, UH, AS OUR DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE BEEN, UM, CONTACTED BY YOU AND COUNCIL MEMBER OFFICE TO DISCUSS ABOUT THESE THREE PDS AND SEE WHAT SOLUTIONS CAN WE FIND FROM A LARGER HOLISTIC POINT OF VIEW. SO YES, DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN INITIATED. WE HAVE INTERNAL TALKS. UM, YES. THANK YOU. AND RELATED TO THAT, I KNOW YOU'VE SPECIFICALLY, WE'VE GOT ONE AREA REQUEST BEFORE US AND TRIED TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION ON THE LOT SIZE. UM, IS IT CORRECT THAT THERE'S OTHER LOTS THAT ARE ALSO WITHIN THIS PD THAT ARE GONNA HAVE SIMILAR CHALLENGES, UM, BETWEEN THE LOT SIZE AND THE FRONTAGES? UM, AND I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE ARE YOU AWARE THAT IN OTHER OLDER PLAN DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE HAVE, UM, INSTITUTED LANGUAGE THAT JUST HELPS CODIFY ALL OF THOSE, UM, TO, TO HELP FACILITATE OWNERS AND, AND REDEVELOPMENTS OF PROPERTY? SO LET, IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION CORRECTLY, YES, IT IS VERY COMMON IN OLDER PARTS OF TOWN TO HAVE NON-CONFORMING LOTS. THAT IS ACTUALLY THE PROBLEM WITH HAVING SUCH HIGH LOT SIZES REQUIREMENTS IN THIS INSTANCE SPECIFICALLY, THAT'S WHY I CREATED THIS SLIDE. YOU CAN SEE THAT BOTH OF THESE PROPERTIES WHEN THEY REDRAW THEIR PROPERTY LINES BECAME NON-CONFORMING. LIKE THIS SUBJECT AREA IS OVER 6 6500 SQUARE FEET AND THE LOT THAT IS THE REMINDER TO THE EAST NOW IS PER DEC AD IS 5,800. I WAS ALSO EYE BOILING LOOKING AT THE LOT IN THE BACK, THESE LITTLE CORNER LOTS HERE. THOSE ARE FOR SURE UNDER 7,200. SO THERE ARE A LOT, IT'S PRETTY COMMON. BUT AS I SAID, THE OUR CODE IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS WILL ALLOW YOU TO RECOGNIZE THE LEGAL BUILD SITE AND THAT'S HOW YOU'RE GONNA PULL A PERMIT. AND THAT'S EXACTLY IT. THAT'S WHAT THE GEOGRAPHY OF THE STREET GRIDS. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, MOVING PARTS IN, IN THIS AREA. AND SO I KNOW I'M FAMILIAR WITH OTHER PDS THAT CODIFY THAT LEGAL BUILDING SITES THAT ALLOW FOR THAT VARIATION. UM, SO I'LL UM, DEFER TO MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO MAY HAVE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU DR. RE. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HALL, DR. YARE, UM, THE EXISTING DUPLEXES, ANY IDEA WHEN THEY WERE BUILT THEY LOOKED OLDER, LIKE I CAN GO ON DCA AND PUT A, A YEAR PER DCA, BUT THEY LOOKED THAT THEY WERE BUILT, UM, PROBABLY IN THE EIGHTIES OR EVEN BEFORE. SO IT LOOKS, I WOULD SAY IF AGAIN, SPECULATIVE I CAN DO THAT RESEARCH RIGHT NOW. SPECULATIVE, I WOULD SAY THAT THE INTENT OF THE LAND USE MAP WHEN IT WAS CREATED IN 82 WAS TO ALLOW EXISTING DUPLEXES TO CONTINUE. SO MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WHAT, WHAT I HEARD, UH, IS THAT THESE, THESE WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER THAN WHAT A NUDE DUPLEX. THEY ARE SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER THAN WHAT THE ENTITLEMENT ON THE LOT IS. THE ENTITLEMENT ON THE LOCK LOT ALLOWS A BIGGER MASSING, BUT THEY WERE BUILT SMALLER. SO THAT'S HOW THEY CONTINUE TO EXIST. THE, THE TREND OF BUILDING DUPLEXES IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS SEEMS TO BE BIGGER. THE SAME FOR SINGLE YES, ABSOLUTELY THE SAME FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES AS WELL. UHHUH AND, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD OPPOSITION TO THESE DUPLEXES SEEMS TO BE THEIR DESIGN, THE WAY THEY'RE DESIGNED AND THEIR LACK OF YARD SPACE AND, AND, AND SO FORTH. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE CONTROL OVER THAT, [01:00:01] BUT I GUESS THE IMPRESSION THAT I HAVE THAT ANY NEW DUPLEX THAT WOULD BE BUILT WOULD LOOK SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE ONES THAT, THAT ARE EXISTING ON THE GROUND TODAY. YES. WITHOUT A, I WOULD SAY IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S OUR ASSUMPTION THAT A NEW DUPLEX THAT WOULD BE BUILT IF THEY ARE TO MAXIMIZE THEIR EXISTING ENTITLEMENTS, UH, WILL LOOK DIFFERENT. BUT I WOULD SAY SAME APPLIES TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE. SO IF THIS LOT WILL BE DEVELOPED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, THAT WOULD ALSO HAS THE POTENTIAL TO LOOK SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT. YES. WELL THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION, , IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME BUILT THERE, SURELY IT WOULD NOT LOOK LIKE A BUNGALOW. IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE A BIG BIGGER TWO STORY IF THE DEVELOPER YES. THOUSAND SQUARE FEET IF THE OWNER DEVELOPER CHOOSES TO MAXIMIZE ON THEIR EXISTING ENTITLEMENTS. YES. YEAH, I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT ANY KIND OF NEW DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA LOOK OUTTA CHARACTER WITH, WITH WHAT'S ON THE GROUND TODAY. SO, OKAY. WOULD THIS LOT HAVE TO BE REPLANTED? UH, IF, UH, DOWN THE ROAD? THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY. THERE ARE TWO WAYS TO OBTAIN A BUILDING PERMIT. YOU PROVE A LEGAL BUILD SITE OR YOU REPL IT, BUT IN ORDER FOR YOU TO REPL IT, IT NEEDS TO CONFIRM WITH THE ZONING. AND BECAUSE THE ZONING REQUIRES THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE TO BE 7,250 AND THE LOT IS SMALLER. I DON'T KNOW IF IT CAN BE RELAID, BUT IN ORDER TO PULL A BUILDING PERMIT, YOU CAN PROVE A LEGAL BUILD SITE. MEANING IF A HOUSE WAS BUILT ON THE LOT OR IF THE LOT WAS BUILT LEGALLY AT ANY POINT, THAT IS YOUR LEGAL BUILD SITE AND YOU CAN CONTINUE TO USE IT AS SUCH. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE IN ITS CURRENT CONFIGURATION WOULD BE VALID, WOULD BE ABLE TO BE PLOTTED. SO LOOKING AT, AT THE MAP THAT YOU HAVE DISPLAYED HERE, THE LOT, IT'S A FOUR-SIDED ODD, ODD SHAPED LOT. IT HAS, UH, IT'S ALONG TWO STREETS THOUGH. WHERE, WHERE WOULD THE, UH, WHAT'S THE FRONT? WHERE'S THE FRONT? IS IT ON THE VERY SHORT SIDE? THAT'S 40 FEET? YES. THE FRONT WOULD BE FAIRVIEW IS PER CODE, IS THE, THE NARROWER SIDE IS THE, IS THE ONE THAT'S CONSIDERED A FRONT. AH, OKAY. SO IF A DUPLEX WAS BUILT ON THIS SITE, PARKING WOULD HAVE TO TAKE PLACE WITHIN THAT 40 FEET? NO, THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO, UM, LOAD IT FROM THE BACK BECAUSE THEY HAVE, THAT'S MY POINT. THEY HAVE, UH, AN ALLEY THAT LOOKS IMPROVED IN THE BACK AND THEY ALSO HAVE THE OPTION TO HAVE AN ACCESS FROM WINSLOW. SO I WOULD SAY THAT PROBABLY, PROBABLY THE DESIGN, UM, OR THE WAY THE LOT IS SHAPED, I THINK IT LENDS BETTER TO HAVE ACCESS EITHER DIRECTLY FROM THE ALLEY OR FROM WINSLOW AVENUE. MM-HMM. ALLEY ALLEY ACCESS MIGHT BE MORE COM COM NEIGHBORS MIGHT PREFER SOMETHING LIKE ALLEY ACCESS ON THIS, BUT, UH, YES. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . YES. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, LET'S KEEP GOING. ALL GOT CASE NUMBER SEVEN. THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN OFF. CONSENT. DO YOU WANT THIS ITEM BRIEF? GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, LET'S TABLE THIS ONE FOR THE MOMENT. WE'LL COME BACK. UH, LET'S, THANK YOU. LET'S GO TO, UH, NUMBER EIGHT. HI, UH, MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. GOOD MORNING. UM, DID, UH, THERE'S A, UM, A CORRECTION THAT I DID WANT TO POINT OUT, BUT I, ARE YOU WANTING THIS ONE TO BE BRIEFED OR, OR JUST, UH, OR FOR ME JUST TO, UM, GO OVER THE, THE TWO CORRECTIONS IN THE REPORT WE CAN DO, UH, BRIEF PER REQUEST. COMMISSIONER HERBERT, WOULD YOU LIKE THIS ONE BRIEFED? YES, PLEASE. PERFECT, THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY, LET ME [01:05:02] TURN THE SCREEN. SEE, UM, ARE YOU SEEING MY SCREEN? YES, WE CAN. THANK YOU. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. OKAY. UH, THIS IS, UM, Z 2 3 4 2 4 6. IT MIGHT BE A DELAY. I'M SORRY. LET'S SEE. OKAY, HERE WE GO. UH, THIS IS AN AMENDMENT IN RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2170. AND THE PROPERTY IS ZONED OR OUR REGIONAL RETAIL. AND, UM, THE AMENDMENT AND RENEWAL IS TO ALLOW FOR THE CONTINUATION OF THE OPEN ENROLL, OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL. AND THIS IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH LINE OF WEST CAMP WISDOM ROAD AND WEST LINE OF I 35 E. UH, THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 18 OR APPROXIMATELY APPROXIMATELY 19 ACRES. SO THE WAY, UM, HERE I HAVE THE LOCATION MAP, UM, AND THE AERIAL, UM, YOU CAN SEE IT'S, UM, PRETTY FAR SOUTH DALLAS, AND THAT IS ONE OF THE CORRECTIONS I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, UM, ON PAGE TWO, I THINK JUST IN THE, IN THE BULLET POINTS, UM, IT SAYS LOCATED IN WEST DALLAS. UM, SORRY ABOUT THAT. I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED. UH, FOR SOME REASON THE EDITS DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE FINAL VERSION OF THE REPORT. OKAY. UM, AGAIN, UH, THE AERIAL MAP SHOWING WITH THE ZONING AND LAND USE MAP. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SITE IS ALL INSTITUTIONAL, UH, BECAUSE IT HAS THE EXISTING UPLIFT CAMP, WISDOM SCHOOL, AND, UM, IT'S LARGELY SURROUNDED, UM, AT LEAST ON THREE SIDES, AS YOU CAN SEE BY SINGLE FAMILY. AND, UM, THEN IT HAS SOME COMMERCIAL MINI WAREHOUSE, UM, IMMEDIATELY SOUTH AND AT THE CORNER OF, EXCUSE ME, AT THE CORNER OF, UH, CAMP WISDOM AND 35, UH, THERE'S A MCDONALD, UM, RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE ALSO, UM, OFF OF CAMP WISDOM, UM, THAT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE SITE. THAT'S THE MCDONALD'S. AND THEN, UM, ACROSS CAMP WISDOM, THERE'S A COMMERCIAL AS WELL. UM, THERE'S A SMALL HOTEL AND A SMALL MINI WAREHOUSE. OH, UM, SOME OF THE BACKGROUND BACK, UH, IN 2016 CITY COUNCIL DID APPROVE THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL TENURE PERIODS. UH, THEN IN 2020 THE APPLICANT FILED THE APPLICATION FOR THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL, UH, OF THE SUP. UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY IT WAS PAST THE DATE THAT, UM, IS REQUIRED FOR ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL. UM, IT WAS ACCEPTED AND UM, STAFF ALSO FOUND DURING THAT REVIEW AT THAT TIME THAT, UH, THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS TO BE SUBMITTED HAD NOT BEEN SUBMITTED, YOU KNOW, DURING THE, UM, DURING THAT TIME, BUT THEY DID, UM, THAT KIND OF PULLED THEM INTO THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AGAIN. AND, UM, THE STANDARD RENEWAL PROCESS, IT WENT BEFORE THE BODIES, UM, BEFORE YOU AND CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL DID APPROVE THAT SUP FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD AT THAT TIME. SO, OH, I'M SORRY. UM, SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING RENEWAL AGAIN, UH, WITH NO CHANGES, UH, TO THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN. AND, UM, OF COURSE THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS BEEN SUBMITTED. [01:10:01] UM, THEY SUBMITTED IT BACK AND WAS, UM, GOT APPROVED, UM, BACK IN 2022. THE NEXT ONE THAT WAS REQUIRED, UH, WAS DUE NOVEMBER 1ST, 2024. THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND, UM, HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY TRAFFIC AND BEEN APPROVED FOR THE, FOR THIS REQUEST. UH, SOME OF THE PHOTOS LOOKING, UM, BASICALLY OFF OF I 35 INTO THE SITE. UM, THIS IS LOOKING TO THE NORTH, UH, TOWARDS THE RESIDENTIAL ALSO. THAT'S JUST IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE. UH, SOME MORE PHOTOS LOOKING OFF OF 35 TO THE SOUTH, LOOKING NORTH, UH, OFF OF CAMP WISDOM, NORTHWEST OFF CAMP WISDOM, AND THEN SOME SURROUNDING USES OFF OF THE SITE BEING ACROSS THE FREEWAY. AGAIN, BACK ON CAMP WISDOM LOOKING WEST, SOUTHEAST, EAST. UM, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. UM, AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES ON THE SITE PLAN AT THIS TIME. THIS IS, UH, STILL WHAT THEY WANT TO, UM, GO WITH GOING FORWARD. UH, SOME OF THE PROPOSED SUP CONDITIONS, UM, WE HAVE SOME CHANGES IN HERE, SOME MODIFICATIONS. UM, ONE WE AREN'T, THE, THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, UM, OF THE SUP WITH THE, UM, AMENDED SITE PLAN, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLANNING IN MANY CONDITIONS. UM, SO NO TIMEFRAME WE, WE WERE REMOVING THAT. UM, JUST SOME RENUMBERING TAKING OUT THE, UM, STANDARD, UM, CLASSROOM NUMBER OF CLASSROOMS. WE'RE REALLY NOT, UM, LOOKING AT THAT ANYMORE FOR THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS. UM, SO WE'RE WANTING TO TREAT, OF COURSE, THE OPEN ENROLLMENT SCHOOLS THE SAME AS THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING MORE RECENTLY. UM, YOU KNOW, SAME WITH THE, THE BALL FIELDS, MORE OPERATIONAL. UM, WE ARE ADDING IN THE SIDEWALKS AND PEDESTRIAN PATHS. UM, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THEY, UM, HAVE SOME CHANGES TO THE SIDEWALK FOR KNEE REPAIRS. UM, AND THEY HAVE AGREED, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED THAT THEY WOULD GO AHEAD AND, UM, PUT IN THAT MINIMUM SIX FOOT WIDE UNOBSTRUCTED SIDEWALK LOCATED MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET FROM THE CURB ALONG THE LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY, ABUTTING, UH, THE STREETS AS REQUIRED. UM, AND THEN SAME WITH THE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS. THEY HAVE AGREED TO DO THAT AS WELL WHERE POSSIBLE. UM, AND, UM, THIS IS THE STANDARD LANGUAGE. AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S FOR THE MOST PART, BUT AGAIN, THEY ARE AGREEING TO A MINIMUM FOUR FOOT WIDE PERMEABLE PAVING UNOBSTRUCTED PATHWAY REQUIRED TO CONNECT THAT, UM, PRIMARY EN ENTRANCE OF THE MAIN BUILDINGS, UM, LOCATED NO MORE THAN 65 FEET FROM A CONNECTED PATHWAY. UM, SO THIS IS ALL PRETTY STANDARD WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING LATELY. AND, UM, AGAIN, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO TO DO THAT, UM, AGAIN, AND THAT THAT'S IF, IF THEY MAKE ANY CHANGES, UH, TO THE PROPERTY. UM, WITH REGARDS TO THE SIDEWALK, UH, NEED OF A SIDEWALK, PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES. UM, ALSO THEY'RE AGREEING TO, UM, PUT IN THE PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES AT THE REGULAR INTERVALS, NOT TO EXCEED 200 FEET, UM, WITH THE BENCH TRASH RECEPTACLE AND BIKE RACK. UM, AGAIN, UH, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IF THEY, IF THEY'RE MAKING ANY CHANGES, UH, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, UM, JUST REALLY CHANGING THE DATE, THE DATES IN HERE, THIS IS MORE LANGUAGE THAT IS PRETTY CUSTOMARY STANDARD FOR WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH ALL THE SCHOOLS AND PARKING. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST TAKING OUT THE, THE PARKING ISSUE ON THE PLAN AND LETTING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, FALL BACK ON THE WHATEVER IS REQUIRED FOR PARKING, UM, FENCES. UM, ALSO PUTTING IN THE LANGUAGE FOR THE FENCES [01:15:01] THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WERE TO, UM, PUT IN A FENCE, UM, THAT THAT WOULD BE THE 50% OPEN AND, UM, 20 FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE STREET CURB. AND, UM, AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE SCHOOLS. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO TREAT THEM THE SAME AS THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS, AS THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL SUBJECT TO, UM, THE SITE PLAN, AMENDED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND AMEND AND THE AMENDED CONDITIONS. AND WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? YEAH, HERBERT? YES. THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, LADY, UH, LORI, UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THERE WAS A HUGE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONTINGENT WHEN THIS SCHOOL WAS PROPOSED AND BUILT? AND THEN AGAIN, IN ITS REVIEW OF, UH, IT TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND SUPI AM AWARE OF THAT. UM, THAT HAS BEEN SOME YEARS AGO. UM, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, BEEN TOLD THAT SINCE THEN THERE'S NOT BEEN ANY, ANY ISSUES, UM, WITH REGARDS TO THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLANS. THINGS ARE FLOWING WELL, UM, THINGS ARE WORKING AS THEY SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, PER THAT, UM, PERIODIC REVIEW OF THE TRAFFIC, UH, THE TMP, THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, UM, PER THAT PROCESS SINCE THAT TIME. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, WERE YOU AWARE THAT SOME OF THE CONCERNS WERE ABOUT THE CAMP WISDOM AND HOW, UM, THE PROPERTY WILL INTERACT WITH THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE THEN? UM, I, I REALLY WASN'T EXACTLY AWARE OF THE SPECIFICS. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, VERY AWARE OF THE, OF THE DYNAMICS WITH THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY, UM, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT AGAIN, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT EVERYTHING'S WORKING WELL NOW. UM, GOTCHA. SO, YES. UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. SO, UH, WHAT I'M GETTING TO IS, UM, THE LANDSCAPING ON TEMP WISDOM AGAIN IS LACKLUSTER AND THERE WAS A LOT OF PROMISES MADE. THE FENCE IS KIND OF IN DISREPAIR IN CERTAIN SECTIONS. UM, HAS THAT BEEN SPOKEN OF BY THE APPLICANT AT ALL? NO. UM, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, NOTHING THAT HAS BEEN, UM, ADDRESSED AS FAR AS THAT. UM, I, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE, WE DID TALK ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES AND, AND THOSE TYPE THINGS, AND, UM, THEY SAID THEY WOULD BE AMENABLE TO, YOU KNOW, IF ANYTHING NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED AND PUTTING IN THOSE, UM, AMENITIES. BUT WE REALLY DIDN'T, UM, DISCUSS THE, YOU KNOW, THE LANDSCAPING, OF COURSE, THAT'S PART OF ENFORCEMENT. IF IF THERE'S ANY LANDSCAPING THAT'S NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT MEETING, UM, THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, THEN, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THEY, THEY DO HAVE TO, THEY'RE OBLIGATED TO, UM, TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. AND SAME WITH ANY REQUIRED FENCING. UH, DO YOU HAVE OR CAN YOU PRODUCE WHAT THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT CAM WISDOM, UM, AREA OF THIS PLAN EITHER NOW OR BEFORE THE HEARING? UM, I CAN, I CAN GET THAT, UM, I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU BEFORE THE HEARING. UM, YEAH, LET ME, LET ME GET THAT BEFORE THE HEARING. I KNOW, YOU KNOW, ARTICLE 10 HAS SOME REQUIREMENTS, OF COURSE FOR STREET TREES AND, UM, THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NONE, UM, PLANTED THERE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IF SOMEONE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PLANTING TREES THERE, THAT WE HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE, UM, BECAUSE A MAJOR, UM, PART OF THIS WAS BEAUTIFYING THE AREA FOR THE NEIGHBORS WHO, WHO CONCEDED A LOT DURING THIS TIME. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE HOLDING THAT TO, UH, TO, TO THE, UH, FIRE. SO, UH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. MS. LEVY, UM, THE LAST TIME THIS SUP WAS RENEWED, IT WAS FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD, PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT ISSUES, WHICH I UNDERSTAND HAVE BEEN LARGELY RESOLVED, ALTHOUGH NOT COMPLETELY. UM, BUT DID I UNDERSTAND YOU TO SAY NOW THAT THIS APPLICANT BOTH MISSED THE APPLICATION TO APPLICATION TIMEFRAME TO GET IN THEIR RENEWAL AND ALSO DID NOT SUBMIT THE REQUIRED AMENDED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN? UM, THAT WAS IN THE PAST. THEY, THEY DID TURN IN, UM, SINCE THAT LAST TIME IT WAS APPROVED, THEY HAVE FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH, WITH THE, UM, THE PERIODIC, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENT FOR THE TMP. OKAY. SO THE LAST TMP DID GET SUBMITTED IN A TIMELY MANNER? YES. YES MA'AM. THANK YOU. UH, ONE OTHER QUESTION. WHAT WAS THE REASON [01:20:01] FOR REMOVING THE, UH, SUP CONDITION THAT LIMITED THE HOURS THAT THE PLAYING FIELD COULD BE USED? WAS THERE A COMMUNITY MEETING TO DISCUSS THIS? UM, I, I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, MET WITH THE COMMUNITY, I BELIEVE. UM, BUT I ACTUALLY STAFF REMOVE THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE NOT REALLY, UM, WE'RE JUST TREATING IT THE SAME AS THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND WE'RE NOT, AND THAT'S PART OF THE OPERATIONS. SO, UM, BUT THE SUP PROCESS ALLOWS US TO CUSTOMIZE CONDITIONS THAT ARE SITE SPECIFIC. YES. SO STAFF JUST DECIDED TO REMOVE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE THEIR GENERAL POLICY NOW THAT, THAT HAS BEEN MORE STANDARD FOR, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING THE OPERATIONS, UH, HAVING THE SCHOOLS AND THE BUSINESSES CAN. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THE OPERATIONS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE WILL KEEP GOING. UM, ITEM NUMBER NINE IS GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO MARCH 6TH. MARCH 6TH. WE'LL BRIEF IT THEN. UH, DO WE NEED TO BRIEF NUMBER 10? THANK YOU. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE NUMBER 10 BRIEF? COMMISSIONER HALL? WOULD YOU LIKE A BRIEF, SIR? OKAY, NUMBER 11 IS GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO MARCH 20TH. MARCH 20TH. NO BRIEFING. NO BRIEFING TODAY. THANK YOU. UH, NUMBER BEFORE YOU STEP OUT, DO WE NEED IT BRIEFED NUMBER 10, 12, EXCUSE ME, ANY, ANY REQUEST? OKAY, WE'LL GO TO 13 THEN. AND, AND YES, FOR THE RECORD, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAS A CONFLICT NUMBER 12 AND WILL NOT BE VOTING ON IT. UM, 13. I THINK WE DO NEED A BRIEF, UH, COMMISSIONER FORESITE HAS SOME QUESTIONS ON THAT, BUT BEFORE WE DO, LET'S TAKE A QUICK COFFEE BREAK. FIVE MINUTES AT 10:27 AM OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. WE HAVE AN EIGHT COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET BACK ON THE RECORD. IT IS 10:39 AM AND WE DO HAVE A REQUEST TO BRIEF NUMBER 13. GOOD MORNING, MR. BATE. GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS ITEM, UH, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 3 44. IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTIES ZONE IN R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF ARROW ROAD NORTH OF SUTHERLAND AVENUE, APPROXIMATELY 11,200 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE. UH, HERE IT IS LOCATED, UH, KIND OF SOUTH CENTRAL PART OF THE CITY. UH, HERE'S AN AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE AREA OF REQUEST. THE, YEP, THE AREA OF REQUEST HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW HERE. THIS IS THE ZONING MAP OF WHAT'S ADJACENT TO IT. SO IT IS WITHIN THE R 7.5 A ZONING. THIS IS A LARGELY UNDEVELOPED AREA AND I'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND. THEN TO THE NORTH NORTHEAST, THERE IS A IR, UM, INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT. THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES UNDEVELOPED. AND THEN TO THE SOUTHEAST IS AN MF TWO, A DISTRICT ALSO UNDEVELOPED. FURTHER ON ALONG KEYS BOULEVARD, THERE'S SOME MU THREE IR AND NSA. THIS PARTICULAR TRACT OR THIS AREA HERE THAT IS TO THE IMMEDIATE SOUTH SOUTHWEST OF THE SITE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PLATTED BECAUSE IT IS PLATTED, BUT THE AREA IS UNDEVELOPED. UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS I ACTUALLY HAVE A ZONING CASE INVOLVING THAT AS WELL. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT WAS PLATTED WAY BACK IN THE LATE TWO THOUSANDS. AS WE ALL KNOW, THINGS CHANGED IN THE LATE TWO THOUSANDS AND WHOEVER WAS GOING TO DEVELOP IT NO LONGER COULD DEVELOP IT. SO IT'S PLATTED. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE LOTS AND EVEN ROADS THAT IT CATER THERE. UH, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S A LARGE JUST GREEN GREENFIELD. SO THE SITE IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED. THE APPLICANT WISHES TO DEVELOP SINGLE FAMILY UNITS WITH A SMALL LOCK CONFIGURATION. AS SUCH, THEY'RE REQUESTING THE MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT. HERE'S THE SITE. WE'RE ON ARROW ROAD LOOKING NORTHEAST AND IT'S A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD LOOK. IN THE BACKGROUND HERE, YOU SEE THAT LARGE GREENFIELD, THAT'S THAT MF TWO A DISTRICT THAT I MENTIONED, THEN SOUTHEAST ON ARROW ROAD SOUTHWEST, LOOKING TOWARDS THAT GREENFIELD SITE THAT IS PLATTED BUT UNDEVELOPED LOOKING WEST, LOOKING NORTHWEST, NORTHEAST, AND THEN SOUTHEAST MORE INTO THE SITE ITSELF. THIS IS A COMPARISON OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS BETWEEN R SEVEN FIVE AND [01:25:01] MF TWO A. THE SETBACKS WOULD BE ONE OF THE FIRST CHANGES HERE. SO THE FRONT SETBACK WOULD BE 15 FEET, BUT BECAUSE OF RPS, YOU DO HAVE A 25 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK THAT WOULD APPLY TO THE LOT FOR SINGLE FAMILY. THERE IS NO SIDE OR REAR SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. THE FAR DWELLING UNIT DENSITY, THERE'S NO MAX FOR THAT REGARDLESS OF THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. AND THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR SINGLE FAMILY IS 1000 SQUARE FEET, UH, WHICH IS THE IMPETUS FOR REQUESTING MF TWO RATHER THAN MF ONE IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. MF ONE, THE MINIMUM AND LOT SIZE FOR SINGLE FAMILY, THERE IS 3000 SQUARE FEET. THE MAX HEIGHT IS 36 FEET. HOWEVER, RPS DOES APPLY AS SUCH, IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO ABOUT 26 FEET IN HEIGHT. THE LOT COVERAGE DOES INCREASE 60%. THE PRIMARY USE OF COURSE, FOR THE MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT IS MULTIFAMILY, BUT IT DOES ALLOW FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEX USES AS WELL. WE FIND THAT THE AREA, IT IS LARGELY UNDEVELOPED. IT IS ADJACENT TO AN EXISTING MF TWO A DISTRICT AND AN IR DISTRICT. WE DO THINK THAT THE MF TWO DISTRICT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF SMALL LOT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT QUESTION. MY FIRST QUESTION ACTUALLY, UH, JUST ARISE FROM YOUR PRESENTATION. IS THERE, UM, UH, ANY TYPE, TYPE OF ISSUES WITH THE LAND, UM, IN THIS AREA? YOU KNOW, THE REASON I, I GUESS I'M WONDERING WHY ALL THESE LOTS ARE UNDEVELOPED AND HAVE BEEN UNDEVELOPED FOR SO LONG. IS THERE ANY KIND OF FLOOD PLAIN ISSUES HERE? UH, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY FLOOD PLAIN ISSUES THAT ARE PRESENT THERE. I'D BE HAPPY TO PULL UP OUR ZONING MAP TO CONFIRM. UH, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER ISSUES WITH THE LAND. I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S JUST BEEN TYPICAL REAL ESTATE KIND OF MARKET ECONOMICS ISSUES WHERE IT JUST HASN'T BEEN VIABLE TO DEVELOP UNTIL RECENTLY. BUT LEMME PULL THIS UP REAL QUICK TO CONFIRM THE FLOOD PLAIN. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? I, OH, PLEASE. MY APOLOGIES. I WAS WAITING FOR HIM. SORRY ABOUT THAT. ONE SECOND LOOK. SO LOOKING AT OUR FLOODPLAIN MAP, THE DOES NOT WANNA COOPERATE LOOKING AT THE FLOODPLAIN MAP, THE AREA OF REQUEST, IT IS NOT WITHIN A FLOODPLAIN. UH, THERE IS A SMALL SLIVER OF FLOODPLAIN THAT EXTENDS OUT FURTHER PAST. SO IF WE GO BACK TO THE ZONING MAP, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A SMALL SLIVER OF THE 0.2% ANNUAL CHANCE FLOOD HAZARD THAT GOES INTO SORT OF THIS SLIVER HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE SCREEN, BUT IT GOES INTO THERE. BUT IT'S A VERY SMALL STRETCH. MOST OF THE FLOOD PLAIN ALONG THERE IS KIND OF CONCENTRATED ALONG, UH, EAST KEYS BOULEVARD. OKAY. THE, THE OTHER, UH, QUESTION I HAD IS, IN READING YOUR CASE REPORT, YOU INDICATE THAT THE, UH, OWNER, UH, MR. GARCIA PLANS TO BUILD FOUR UNITS. UM, AND, UH, I THINK THE LOT SIZE IS 11,200 SQUARE FEET. SO, UM, WAS THERE CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO A LESSER, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, RE DENSITY REZONING? LIKE FOR INSTANCE, REZONING TO, TO TOWN HOME ONE, UH, DI DISTRICT OR AS IT, RATHER THAN THE MF TWO DISTRICT? UH, MY UNDERSTANDING FOR WHEN I DID BRING IT UP WITH THE APPLICANT, WE DID DISCUSS THE TH DISTRICT. UH, HE DID WANT THE SMALLER LOT SIZE, I THINK JUST AS A SORT OF A, YOU CAN SAY A BUFFER, JUST TO HAVE SOME ROOM TO WORK WITH. UM, WHEN HE GOES TO, SO IF THIS WERE TO BE GRANTED, HE WOULD THEN GO TO SUBDIVISIONS FOR PLATTING AND RE PLATTING. UH, AT THAT POINT HE WOULD NEED TO, WELL, HE WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE A PLAT THAT SHOWS KIND OF YOUR DIFFERENT DEDICATIONS, YOUR DRIVEWAYS AND WHATNOT. UM, AND SO I THINK HAVING THE MF TWO, IT DOES PROVIDE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF THAT CONFIGURATION OF THOSE LOTS. UM, HE COULD CERTAINLY BE ENTITLED TO BUILD MORE THAN FOUR UNITS, BUT IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON WHAT THE FINAL DEDICATIONS ARE AT PLATTING FOR VARIOUS RIGHTS OF WAY, UTIL EASEMENTS, DRIVEWAYS, THAT SORT OF THING. UH, BUT I THINK THAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY USE A SLIGHTLY LESS, UH, INTENSIVE DISTRICT IF POSSIBLE. BUT HE, BUT HE DID INDICATE THAT HE'S PLANNING TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. YES, IT WOULD BE I THINK A FEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT YES, THERE WOULD BE, WOULD THAT SINGLE LOTS REACH EACH? COULD HE DO THAT WITH A TH ONE ZONING? UH, 'CAUSE IT'S, TH ONE ZONING FROM WHAT I READ, LIMITS IT. IT'S SIX, UH, UNITS. THE MOST, AT THE MOST. AND WITH MF TWO, THERE'S NO LIMIT. SO I, I'M, THAT'S WHY [01:30:01] I JUST, SURE. LET ME DO A QUICK CALCULATION HERE. UH, THE THING THAT GETS TOUGH WITH TH DISTRICTS IS THAT DOLING UNIT DENSITY, WHERE IT IS PER ACRE, UM, AND SIX DOLL UNITS PER ACRE, IT KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT, BUT SOMETIMES IT CAN BE YOU, YOU RUN OUT OF THE SPACE QUICKER THAN YOU THINK. SO IT'S ABOUT A QUARTER OF AN ACRE. SO AT TH ONE WITH SIX TO UNITS PER ACRE, IF I'M DOING MY MATH RIGHT, QUARTER ACRE, QUARTER OF THAT, YOU GOT 1.5 GOING UNITS. UM, OUT OF THAT, I THINK YOU WOULD NEED THE, YOU WOULD PROBABLY NEED THE TH THREE DISTRICT TO BE ABLE TO GET TO, PER MY MATH HERE, YOU CAN GET THREE DWELLING UNITS OUT OF THAT WITH THE 12 DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE DENSITY. BECAUSE AGAIN, IT IS A, YOU CAN ONLY GET THREE DWELLING UNITS. EVEN WITH THE TH THREE YOU'RE SAYING? YES. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER HALL. MR. BATE, LOOKING AT THE CURRENT GOOGLE MAPS, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT LOT'S ALREADY BEEN CLEARED. DID, WAS THAT YOUR IMPRESSION WHEN YOU WERE OUT THERE? YES, WHEN I WAS OUT THERE, IT LOOKED PRE CLEARED. UH, THESE PHOTOS WERE TAKEN A FEW MONTHS AGO, BUT IT'S, THERE WERE SOME TREES, THERE WAS SOME DIRT GRAVEL. I WOULDN'T SAY IT LOOKED IMPROVED UPON OR ANYTHING, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T FULLY GREEN EITHER, COMPARED TO SAY THAT HUGE, WELL, NOT TRACT LAND, 'CAUSE THERE'S SEVERAL LOTS, BUT THE LARGE PLOT OF LAND IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTHWEST THAT I MENTIONED, THAT'S BEEN PLATTED YOU, THAT LOOKS FULLY UNTOUCHED. WHEREAS THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN MAYBE WORKED ON A BIT. BUT YEAH, I JUST LOOKING AT GOOGLE, IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING SOME PREP WORK FOR MM-HMM . UH, MAYBE FOR, FOR THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. YES. AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN, IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE INTERIM. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THOSE SATELLITE IMAGES WERE TAKEN. I WOULD'VE DONE THIS SITE VISIT AROUND MID-NOVEMBER. I'D HAVE TO CHECK MY CALENDAR TO CONFIRM, BUT PROBABLY MID-NOVEMBER. SO CERTAINLY THEY COULD HAVE DONE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO, OR SITE PREP IN THE INTERIM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO KEEP IT ON CONSENT COMMISSIONER, OR, OR TAKE IT OFF? KEEP IT ON CONSENT. OKAY. UH, WE WILL GO TO NUMBER 14. UH, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER HAWK HAS A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM. UH, DO WE NEED IT BRIEFED? YES, LET'S BRIEF IT. SO COMMISSIONER HAWK HAS LOGGED OFF AND WE'LL BRIEF NUMBER SIX, SORRY, NUMBER 14 IN DISTRICT SIX. GOOD MORNING AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS. GOOD MORNING. ALRIGHT, LET'S SEE THIS LITTLE GUIDE DOWN. OKAY, SO THIS IS Z 2 3 4 DASH 3 2 8. IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR ONE A IM INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURE DISTRICT AND TWO, A PACIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A INDUSTRIAL OUTSIDE POTENTIALLY INCOMPATIBLE INDUSTRIAL USE LIMIT TO A CONCRETE AND ASPHALT BATCHING. IT'S LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SLINGER WORLD AND MANANA DRIVE. IT IS APPROXIMATELY 4.35 ACRES AND IT'S IN COUNCIL DISTRICT SIX. HERE'S THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY WITHIN CITY BOUNDARIES. UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO ALLOW FOR THE OPERATION OF A, UH, INDUSTRIAL OUTSIDE POTENTIALLY INCOMPATIBLE INDUSTRIAL USE LIMIT TO CONCRETE ASPHALT BASIN BATCHING, WHICH IS ALLOWED BY SUP ONLY. HERE IS A AREA, UH, MAP OF THE PROPERTY. HERE IS THE ZONING MAP. THE ZONING MAP SHOWS SOME INDUSTRIAL USES TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY. UM, ALSO TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY, THERE'S A BATCH PLANT TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY. THERE'S INDUSTRIAL OUTSIDE USE THAT ALSO HAS A, UM, THAT'S FOR WOOD PROCESSING AND LUMBER PROCESSING. UM, UP TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY THERE'S ANOTHER INDUSTRIAL OUTSIDE USE. AND THEN ALSO TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY, THERE'S A PUBLIC PARK, WHICH IS A SOCCER FIELD, UM, THAT I THINK THE CITY OWNED. UM, AS YOU KNOW, IN THE ZONING MAP, THE AREA WITH THE INDU TO THE NORTH, WITH THE INDUSTRIAL OUTSIDE AND MY PROPERTY, THE AREA REQUEST IS ACTUALLY ZONED FOR, UH, INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH AND NOT. IM, UM, I THOUGHT I HAD SOME BACKGROUND HISTORY HERE, BUT I'LL GO OVER IT. SO FOR, UH, SINCE THE NEW CODE AMENDMENT, I THINK SINCE 2022 [01:35:01] MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE MY, UH, DATES RIGHT. UH, UH, POTENTIAL INCOMPATIBLE USE IS ONLY ALLOWED IN. IM WITH A SUP, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE ZONING CHANGE. SO HERE'S SOME SITE VISITS. THIS IS LOOK AT DAR, WEST NORTH, NORTHEAST, NORTHEAST. THIS IS LOOK AT EAST ON MANANA, SOUTH ON MANANA WEST. THIS IS LOOKING WEST. THIS IS LOOKING AT THE CORNER OF S SPANGLER AND MANANA. UH, THIS IS LOOKING NORTH ON S SPANGLER, SOUTH ON SPANGLER. THESE ARE THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES THAT I TOOK A PICTURE OF. A LOT OF 'EM ARE INDUSTRIAL USES AND THEN ALSO THE ENTRY OF THE PARK. UM, SO THIS IS NORTH OF THE SITE. I THINK THIS IS RIGHT ADJACENT, ADJACENT TO THAT PARK. THIS IS THAT PARK THAT I STATED ABOUT EARLIER. UM, THIS IS ANOTHER INDUSTRIAL USE THAT IS NORTHWEST TO THE SITE, UM, SOUTH TO THE SITE. THIS IS THE OTHER BATCH PLANT, UH, THAT I STATED EARLIER. SO FOR THE PROPOSED PLA CONDITIONS, WHAT, SORRY, PLA CONDITIONS. I'M THINKING ABOUT PERMANENT FOR THE SUP CONDITIONS, WHAT WE DID, WE GO, WENT IN AND TRIED TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE DESKS 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS A MAIN CONCERN IN THE AREA. UM, SO WE DO HAVE A LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT'S REQUIRED AT S SPANGLER AND MANANA, UH, ROAD. WE ALSO HAVE A SOLID FENCE THAT WE'RE ASKING THE APPLICANT TO PUT TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY, UH, TO KIND OF PROTECT THAT INDUSTRIAL OUTSIDE USE AND ALSO THAT PUBLIC PARK. AS FAR AS RAW MATERIAL, WE DECIDE TO GO IN AND ASK THEM TO ALSO SCREEN THAT, THAT WAY DUST WON'T PICK UP ANY PARTICLES AND BLOW THOSE ONTO ADJACENT PROPERTY. UM, AND ALSO THERE IS DUST CONTROL THAT THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT. THERE'S A LIST OF ITEMS THAT THEY NEED TO SUBMIT, UM, BEFORE THEY GET THE CERTIFICATE OF OXY. NOT, I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A DATE, BUT WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF GETTING A CERTIFICATE OF OXY, THEY DO HAVE TO, UH, GIVE THESE REGULATIONS TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND DEPARTMENT AND ALSO TO, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICE. HERE IS THE SITE PLAN FOR THE SUP. UM, IT'S ACTUALLY SHOWING THE BATCHING AREA. THIS WILL BE A SMALLER BATCH PLAN, ABOUT 3000 SQUARE FEET. AND THEN AS YOU SEE TWO, THE SIDE, THE TWO SIDE BEINGS IS, UH, NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE BATCHING AREA. THOSE AREAS SHOULD BE COVERED AND CONTAINED WITH SCREENING. UM, AS FAR AS THE TRINITY RIVER, UH, CORRIDOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I DID LOOK INTO IT. UM, THIS PROJECT IS NOT IN STUDY 22, BUT IT IS NORTH OF THAT STUDY. UH, AND THAT STUDY DOES STATE THAT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES IN THE AREA SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN, BE MAINTAINED AND EXPAND. SO AS OF NOW, WE HAVE APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. THIS WOULD BE A NEW OPERATOR. WE THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GIVE THEM A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, THAT WAY THEY CAN COME BACK IN FRONT OF CPC AND COUNCIL, UH, TO SEE IF THEY'RE IN GOOD STANDARD WITHIN THEIR FIVE YEARS. UM, THEY ALSO HAVE TO OBTAIN A-T-C-E-Q PERMIT. AND THAT PERMIT ALSO HELPS REGULATE A LOT OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, UM, IN THE AREA. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. MS. BLUE, WHAT IS THE DISTANCE SEPARATING THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY OF THIS SITE FROM THE MONEYGRAM SOCCER PARK? DO YOU KNOW? I THINK IT'S AROUND, I WANNA SAY MAYBE 500 FEET OR SO. IT MIGHT BE MORE THAN THAT. OKAY. AND ARE YOU AWARE THERE'S OTHER, UM, PARK PROPERTY IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST? UH, I KNOW ABOUT THE ONE TO THE WEST. THE, UM, GOLF PARK, THE GOLF FIELD, BUT I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE ONE TO THE SOUTH. I DIDN'T, YEAH, I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, PROPERTY THEY HAVEN'T DEVELOPED YET. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HALL, MS. BLUE, IS THE SITE CURRENTLY COVERED WITH A CONCRETE PAD? YES, SIR. AND SO THE APPLICANT DECIDED TO LEAVE THAT CONCRETE PAD. UM, SO USUALLY FOR A BATCH PLANT, UM, WE TRY TO PUT IN SOME LAND, DO A LANDSCAPE PLANT. BUT SINCE THE BATCH, THE CONCRETE IS ALREADY EXISTING, I TALKED TO THE ARBORISTS AND WE DECIDE TO HAVE THEM ACTUALLY PLACE THE BUFFER, UM, LAY PLACE, THE BUFFER ON THE SITE PLANT THAT WE HAVE EXISTING THAT WAY, UM, BECAUSE NO LANDSCAPE IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE TRIGGERED. SO IN ORDER TO COVER, TO MAKE SURE THE BUFFER IS THERE, WE ACTUALLY PUT IT IN THE LANGUAGE AND THEN ALSO, UM, PUT IT ON THE SITE PLAN. JUST SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. BUT YES, THAT, THAT CONCRETE IS ALREADY THERE. SO THIS BATCH PLANT WOULD SORT OF BE IN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY ONE BATCH PLANT TO THE SOUTH, AND THEN THERE'S ONE TO THE NORTH AND ONE TO THE NORTH, AND THEN TO THAT, UH, YEAH. AND THEN TO THE WEST, ACROSS THE TRAIN TRACK, THERE'S A FEW BATCH PLANTS TOO ON LUNA STREET AND THEN TO THE EAST, IS THAT OR, UH, RECYCLING MULCH [01:40:01] PLANT. MM-HMM . THE WOOD? YES, SIR. SO THIS WHOLE AREA IS SORT OF, UH, INDUSTRIAL? YES. YEAH. OKAY. UH, YOU JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE THAT PARK, SOCCER PARK TO THE NORTH AND I, BUT UM, OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. SO IS IT STAFF'S OPINION THAT BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE BATCH PLANTS AND OTHER, UH, INDUSTRIAL USES LIKE THAT IN THE AREA, WE SHOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND PUT SOME MORE THERE. NO STAFF HAS THEIR, I MEAN, IT'S SUBJECTIVE. STAFF CAN SAY HOWEVER THEY FEEL. I MEAN, NOT STAFF. I'M SORRY, I'M STICKING TO COMMISSIONERS. I'M GETTING NERVOUS HERE. UM, STAFF WAS THINKING THAT SINCE THERE'S ALREADY INDUSTRIAL USES IN THE PLACE, IN THE AREA, UM, I DON'T SEE WHY NOT TO ALLOW A NEW INDUSTRIAL USE IN AS LONG AS WE PUT CONDITIONS IN TO HELP MITIGATE THE DUST AND ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, AIR QUALITY. 'CAUSE THAT WAS THE MAIN CONCERN FOR THESE INDUSTRIAL USES. I SEE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. WE'LL GO TO NUMBER 15. DO WE NEED 15 BRIEFED? OKAY. 16. IT'S GONNA BE HELD, HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL, UH, YOU TOLD ME AND I FORGOT, COMMISSIONER APRIL 10TH. APRIL 10TH. OKAY. WE'LL HOLD THAT ONE UNTIL THEN. APRIL 10TH. UH, NUMBER 17. WE WILL TABLE FOR THE MOMENT. WE'LL GO TO NUMBER 18. DO WE NEED NUMBER 18 BRIEFED? UH, YES. YES. OKAY. LET'S GO AHEAD AND BRIEF IT. OKAY. AND Y'ALL ARE SEEING THE RIGHT ONE. ALL RIGHT. JUST MAKING SURE. OKAY. UH, LET ME MOVE THIS WINDOW. OKAY. NUMBER 18 IS, UH, Z 2 4 5 WENT IN. WHY ISN'T IT GOING OKAY, SORRY. THERE'S A DELAY. UM, IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN SUP FOR A GOVERNMENT INSTALLATION OTHER THAN LISTED, LIMITED TO A POLICE FACILITY ON PROPERTY ZONED IN ABUSE THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT. UM, IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTH LINE OF FOND, UH, WEST OF GREENVILLE. IT'S ABOUT, UM, UH, A THIRD OF AN ACRE. AND THE APPLICANT WANTS TO REMODEL THE EXISTING BUILDING, UH, FOR, UH, POLICE FACILITY FOR THE UNIVERSITY PARK POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT IS NOT ADVANCING . THERE WE GO. UH, SO HERE IT IS IN RELATION TO THE CITY, REALLY CLOSE TO UNIVERSITY PARK. UM, THE AERIAL VIEWS ON YOUR LEFT AND THE ZONING MAP AND SOME LAND USES ARE ON THE RIGHT. SO IT'S CURRENTLY IN THE MU THREE ZONING DISTRICT. AND SO ARE ALL THE SURROUNDING LAND USES. UM, TO THE WEST IS THE CITY OF, OF UNIVERSITY PARK, UM, WHERE THEY HAVE AN ELEVATED WATER STORAGE TOWER AND OTHER MUNICIPAL USES. UM, THERE'S A CATERING BAKERY IN THE CITY OF DALLAS TO THE NORTH. I THINK IT'S AN OFFICE OF WARHOUSE LAND USE. UM, AND THERE'S A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT, UH, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. UM, AND THEN TO THE EAST IS THAT LIGHTS FANTASTIC. UM, OFFICE SHOW WAREHOUSE USE. UM, AND THEN THERE'S AN OFFICE COMPLEX DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH. AND LET'S SEE, HERE'S SOME SITE PHOTOS. SO IT, THERE'S JUST ONE. UM, IT'S THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE THAT'S VERY DARKLY PAINTED. UM, IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR A WHILE, UM, SINCE COVID IS WHAT SOME NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID. UM, SO TO THE NORTHEAST WE HAVE THE DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT. UH, [01:45:01] THIS IS, THAT LIGHT'S FANTASTIC. THERE'S A PARKING LOT. UM, THE WALL THAT YOU SEE ON THE FAR RIGHT IS THE SUBJECT SITE. THIS IS THE OFFICE PARK, UM, FROM THE NORTHBOUND GREENVILLE. UM, THIS IS THE ELEVATED WATER STORAGE TOWER TO THE WEST. UM, THIS IS THAT CATERING BAKERY OFFICER WAREHOUSE, UH, FACILITY. UM, THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. UM, IT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL, UH, IT'S ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT LOT COVERAGE. UM, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY COMPLIANT OFF STREET PARKING SPACES. THEY HAVE SOME ON STREET SPACES. UM, IN THE PREVIOUS LAND USE THERE REQUIRED 10 PARKING SPACES ACCORDING TO THEIR CO. SO THEY'RE ASKING THAT THE, UH, PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF THE SUP ALSO REQUIRE 10 SPACES SO THAT THEY DON'T LOSE ANY DELTA CREDITS. UM, AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL AND IT'S FOR A PERMANENT PERIOD, UH, SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? YES. COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, UH, MS. MAY, THESE ARE ALL VERY BENIGN USES AROUND THERE. IT LOOKS LIKE HARD TO TELL ANYTHING'S GOING ON THERE RIGHT NOW. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO WITH THIS? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT WILL A, THIS POLICE FACILITY CONSIST OF? WILL IT, WILL THEY BE DOING, WILL THEY BE DOING ANYTHING OUTDOORS OR WILL EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING BE CONTAINED WITHIN THE WALLS OF THAT BUILDING? RIGHT. UM, SO FOR THE LAND USE, EVERYTHING WOULD BE INSIDE. UM, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING THAT IS OUTSIDE IS THE, UM, THE WALK OUT, THOSE FEW PARKING SPACES. AND I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE SPACE IN THE VERY, UH, FAR SOUTH, BUT RIGHT. NOT MUCH ROOM FOR ANYTHING. UM, SO YES, EVERYTHING LOOKS TO BE, THAT WOULD BE INSIDE. OKAY. SO MM-HMM . YOU DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY SWAT DRILLS OR, UH, ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE? MOSTLY JUST ADMINISTRATIVE TYPE OFFICES. I, I MEAN, MAYBE INDOOR SWAT DRILLS SINCE IT'S A POLICE FACILITY, , BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I IMAGINE THEY PROBABLY HAVE SOME AREAS THAT THEY WOULD ANTICIPATE HAVING, UM, SOME PHYSICAL, YOU KNOW, TRAINING THINGS. RIGHT. GOING ON SOME, UH, OFFICE ADMINISTRATIVE THINGS. PROBABLY SOME CLASSROOM TYPE, YOU KNOW, LECTURE SPACES. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD EXPECT THEM TO HAVE IN A TRAINING FACILITY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, MS. BAY, I BELIEVE WE GOT AN EMAIL EXPRESSING CON SOME CONCERN THAT THERE COULD BE SOME SHOOTING RANGE ACTIVITY AT THIS SITE THAT WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE WITH THIS PARTICULAR, I MEAN, I THINK IT COULD BE POSSIBLE THEY COULD BE DOING OUTSIDE SHOOTING AT THIS. OH, MAYBE NOT OUTSIDE SHOOTING. YES. BUT MAYBE INDOOR SHOOTING LIKE A, LIKE A GUN RANGE FOR TRAINING. WHAT WOULD OUTDOOR SHOOTING FALL, WHAT LAND USE WOULD THAT FALL INTO? WELL, IS THAT A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT ? I IDEA. I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT BEFORE. I THINK WE DO HAVE SOME LAND USES WITH SOME OUTDOOR SHOOTING RANGES. MIGHT BE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT OUTSIDE. OKAY. WHEN THEY'RE COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, THIS OBVIOUSLY WOULD ONLY BE LIMITED TO POLICE DEPARTMENT FACILITIES, BUT NO SHOOTING OUTSIDE AS FAR AS YOU KNOW. YEAH, HOPEFULLY NOT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HALL FOLLOWED BY COMMERCIAL KEYSTON, MS. MS. MAY COULD, UH, THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST WHERE THE WATER TOWER IS, IS PART OF UNIVERSITY PARK CITY LIMITS. YES. SO I GUESS THEORETICALLY THEY COULD USE THAT LOT FOR PARKING? YES. OKAY. MM-HMM . UH, THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACES THERE FOR THEM TO PARK. I, I ASSUME THEY CAN MAKE ROOM FOR THEIR POLICE OFFICERS HOWEVER THEY NEED TO. YEAH. MM-HMM . OKAY. UH, THANK YOU. MM-HMM . COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, WHAT'S THE FACILITY USED FOR CURRENTLY? UM, IT'S VACANT CURRENTLY, BUT THE PREVIOUS OCCUPANT WAS A CROSSFIT GYM THAT WAS THERE. AND WE COULD PUT LIMITATIONS ON THE SUP IN TERMS OF HOURS OF OPERATION. RIGHT. WE COULD, WE COULD PUT LIMITATIONS ON THE SUP THAT JUST ALLOWS THE USE OF THE FACILITY AS A SHOOTING RANGE INDOOR. RIGHT. IF, IF YOU FOUND LAND USE RIGHT. YOU KNOW, RATIONALE. YES. AND WE COULD PUT LIMITATIONS ON THE SUP THAT PROHIBITS HIM FOR USING IT, UM, AS A TRAINING FACILITY, UM, ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE FACILITY. RIGHT. I SUPPOSE. YES. DID YOU ASK THE UNIVERSITY PARK WHAT THEY INTENDED [01:50:01] TO USE IT FOR? I ASKED THE REPRESENTATIVE WHO SAID IN THEIR LAND USE STATEMENT THAT THEY WERE USING IT FOR A POLICE TRAINING FACILITY. UM, DID YOU ASK THEM WHAT HOURS OF OPERATION THEY INTENDED TO USE IT? I DIDN'T REALLY FIND IT TOO RELEVANT IN THE MIDDLE OF A MIXED USE DISTRICT. WELL, IT'S NOT VERY FAR AT ALL FROM ONE OF OUR TRAILS. RIGHT? TRAILS, YEAH. IT'S NEXT TO A DART RAIL LINE AND ONE OF OUR TRAILS. OKAY. AND A AND A MIDRISE APARTMENT BUILDING. AND A GROCERY STORE. I MEAN, THIS IS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE LIVE, WORK, PLAY MM-HMM . AND YOU DIDN'T ASK WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO HERE? WELL, I MEAN, I FIGURED HAVING A POLICE FACILITY MIGHT BE NICE IN ALL HOURS OF THE DAY. NOT EVERYONE MIGHT FEEL THAT WAY, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE USING IT FOR WEAPONS TRAINING. RIGHT. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THEY WILL BE DOING WEAPONS TRAINING 24 7, BUT IT WOULD BE OCCUPIED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT. 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T ASK, DIDN'T ASK HOW MANY HOURS THEY PLAN TO SHOOT GUNS INSIDE. RIGHT. THAT WAS NOT NECESSARILY PART OF THE LAND USE OKAY. OF THIS FACILITY. SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THEY PLAN TO USE THIS FOR OTHER THAN QUOTE UNQUOTE POLICE TRAINING. THAT WAS SPECIFIC ENOUGH FOR OUR PURPOSES. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . CASES ON CONSENT. OKAY. WE'LL TAKE IT OFF. CONSENT TAKES US TO NUMBER 19. I THINK WE HAVE BRIEFED IT BEFORE. IS THAT RIGHT? DO WE BRIEF 1919 BEFORE 24 WE DID. RIGHT. DO WE WANT TO DO UPDATES? ANY CHANGES? NO. 19. SORRY, I WAS MUTED CHAIR. BUT YES, IT'S BEEN BRIEFED BEFORE AND THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY CHANGES, BUT I DO HAVE THE PRESENTATION IF IT NEEDS TO BE BRIEFED AGAIN. OH, OKAY. LET'S BRIEF THE CHANGES, PLEASE. NO, THERE ARE NO CHANGES. NO CHANGES. I CAN BRIEF IT AGAIN IF NEEDED. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. 20 IS, UH, BRIEF BY REQUEST. OKAY. TAKES US TO 21. LET'S GO AHEAD AND BRIEF 21. I THOUGHT YOU WERE GETTING AWAY. YEAH, . OKAY, LET'S SEE IF I CAN DO THIS AGAIN. SHARE CONTENT. OKAY. TWO, ONE. OKAY. GETTING FASTER AT THIS, I HOPE. ALL RIGHT. SO, UH, NUMBER 21 IS Z 2 4 5 1 0 9. IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN SUP FOR A PRIVATE RECREATION CENTER CLUB OR AREA ON PROPERTY LOCATED IN AN NSA NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT. IT'S ON THE WEST LINE OF MARSH LANE, SOUTH OF MONET PLACE. IT'S ABOUT, IT'S JUST [01:55:01] UNDER AN ACRE. AND THE APPLICANT WANTS TO DEVELOP A PROPERTY WITH AN INDOOR PICKLEBALL FACILITY. SO IT'S HERE ON THE VERY, UM, NORTHERN PORTION OF FAR NORTH DALLAS. IT'S THIS, UH, LET'S SEE, OKAY, THIS IS THE ZONING MAP. UM, IT'S THIS AREA IF MY MOUSE WILL WORK RIGHT HERE. AND, UM, TO THE NORTH. WE HAVE A DUPLEX DISTRICT. FURTHER NORTH IS AN R FIVE R SEVEN FIVE DISTRICT. UM, THIS PARK OVER HERE TO THE NORTHEAST IS A TH TWO. UM, THERE'S A CHURCH HERE TO THE EAST IN CR. UM, AND THERE'S A, I THINK A GAS STATION FURTHER TO THE SOUTH HERE. UM, THIS SEP IS ALSO A GAS STATION AND THIS IS A RETAIL SHOPPING CENTER HERE DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH. THIS IS A, UM, AN ANIMAL SHELTER WITH OUTDOOR RUNS, UM, IN, IN THE CS DISTRICT WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS AND IN SUP. UM, AND THEN THERE'S A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT TO THE WEST. UM, HERE IS THE SITES AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS. SO HERE'S ALL THOSE LAND USES AGAIN. UM, AGAIN, IT'S UNDEVELOPED. UM, AND ONE THING THAT IS KIND OF IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT THIS, UM, THIS LOT EXTEND HAS THIS LITTLE PENINSULA THAT EXTENDS, UM, ALONG MONET PLACE TO MARSHALING. SO THE SUBJECT SITE'S NOT TECHNICALLY A CORNER LOT AND DOES NOT HAVE ANY FRONTAGE ON MONET PLACE. SO FOR THE SITE PHOTOS, THIS IS A SITE FROM MARSH. UM, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A RETAINING WALL AND THE GROUND IS ELEVATED A A FEW FEET FROM THE ROADWAY. UM, THE APARTMENT'S IN THE BACK, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THAT PHOTO. UM, THIS IS KIND OF LOOKING AT MARSHALL LANE. YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S A DIVIDED, UM, UH, THOROUGHFARE, THREE LANES EACH WAY. UM, THE OPENING, MEDIAN OPENING IS TO MONET PLACE, WHICH, UH, LEADS TO THE DUPLEX COMMUNITY. AND THIS IS ON MARSH LANE. UM, LOOKING, UM, AT THE SITE, WHICH IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS, UM, SUBDIVISION SIGN. UM, AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY, THIS LITTLE STRIP OF PROPERTY RIGHT HERE, UM, IS PART OF THE DUPLEX LOT IN THERE. LOT IS APPROXIMATELY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SIGN SURROUNDING LAND USES IS THE DUPLEX COMMUNITY TO THE NORTH. UM, IT'S, UH, PRIMARILY ONE STORY DUPLEXES. UM, JUST SOME EXAMPLES RIGHT HERE. UH, THIS AGAIN, THIS BIG GRASSY AREA IS ABUTTING THE SITE OVER HERE. SO THE TREES ARE IN THE BACKGROUND OF THE SUBJECT SITE. THIS IS THE, UH, A PICTURE OF THE CHURCH AND THE CHURCH PARKING LOT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MARSH LANE TO THE EAST. WE HAVE THE RETAIL FACILITY TO THE SOUTH. UM, AND YOU, I, ON THIS BOTTOM PICTURE, I WAS JUST SHOWING THAT THE SITE, UM, IS PRETTY CONNECTED TO THIS FACILITY. THEY HAVE SOME PARKING SPACES THAT ARE, UM, CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED THAT, UH, BUT THE FOUNDING PROPERTY LINE, UH, THIS IS THE APARTMENT COMPLEX TO THE WEST. SORRY, I GUESS I ALSO WANNA MENTION THEY HAVE A ROW OF PARKING AND A FENCE THAT WOULD ABUT WHERE THE PICKLEBALL FACILITY HERE IS ON THAT FAR LEFT. THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. UM, THEY HAVE ONE ENTRANCE ON MARSH LANE AS PER THE, UM, LAST SITE PLAN THAT I RECEIVED. UM, THERE WAS SOME, I THINK, COMMUNITY DISCUSSIONS ASKING IF THEY CAN PERHAPS SHARE A DRIVEWAY WITH THE, UH, RETAIL USE TO THE SOUTH. UM, I HAVE NOT HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT IF HOW THAT HAS GONE, BUT THAT'S BEEN A, A DISCUSSION I THINK AMONGST THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. UM, SO I THINK THE APPLICANT'S PLANNING ON JOINING US, SO MAYBE HE CAN TELL US HOW THAT'S GOING. UM, LET'S SEE. I THINK I MADE, YES, I DID ENLARGE IT A LITTLE BIT. SO, UM, THE FACILITIES HERE ON THE LEFT, IT'S ALL INDOORS. WE HAVE A-A-C-P-U CONDITION TO SAY THAT ALL RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES MUST OCCUR INDOORS, SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO, YOU KNOW, ANY SORT OF PICKUP PICKLE BALL GAME IN THE PARKING LOT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. EVERYTHING HAS TO HAPPEN INDOORS. UM, YES. AND SO ALSO JUST POINTING OUT THIS IS [02:00:01] THAT ABUTTING PROPERTY LINE HERE. UM, BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY LINE IS SHARED WITH THE RESIDENTIAL USE NEXT DOOR, UH, THEY MUST HAVE A RESIDENTIAL, UH, ADJACENCY BUFFER BOTH ON THE NORTH AND ON THE WEST. IT HAS TO BE AN AVERAGE OF 20 FEET, NO AVERAGE OF 10 FEET, MINIMUM OF FIVE, MAXIMUM OF 30, I THINK IS WHAT, UM, OUR ARBORIST SAID. THEY ADDED A, UM, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION FROM THE SIDEWALK OVER HERE, UM, IN CASE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE USING MARSH OR VISITING THE PARK ACROSS THE STREET OR COMING FROM THE CHURCH. UM, AND ALSO IT WAS JUST SOMETHING WE WERE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE, UM, SO THAT PEOPLE MAYBE PARKING OVER HERE COULD GET INTO OR AVOID TRAFFIC IN THE PARKING LOT. UM, LET'S SEE, ANYTHING ELSE NOTABLE? THEY ALSO, UM, ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A SCREENING FENCE, A SOLID SCREENING FENCE PER CODE, NOT PARTICULARLY JUST BY THE SUP, BUT THE CODE REQUIRES THAT NON-RESIDENTIAL USES THAT ABUT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. UH, PROVIDE A SOLID SCREENING FENCE, UM, FOR THE PARKING. AND I THINK IT'S ALSO A REQUIREMENT OF THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER. SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE ON THE NORTH AND ON THE WEST JUST PER CODE REGARDLESS OF LAND. UH, THE SUP AND LET'S SEE, THAT'S ABOUT IT. UM, OH YEAH, THEY HAD A TABLE. UM, IN CASE WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT ANY OF THIS, THEY HAVE SEVEN PICKLEBALL COURTS, UM, IS WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING THEY WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE. AND, UM, THEY HAVE 36 PARKING SPACES DRAWN ON THE SITE PLAN. AND YEP. SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL 10 YEAR PERIODS. THIS SEEMED TO, UM, BE CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUS PRIVATE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, UM, WHICH ARE KIND OF FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. BUT, UM, BEING AS THAT IT'S A RECREATIONAL FACILITY FOR THE COMMUNITY, UM, WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AND, UH, SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS. I, THIS IS COM UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER AK PLEASE. QUICK QUESTION. UM, MS. MAY, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE TABLE THAT YOU JUST SHOWED PARKING? I JUST WANNA PUT A FINE POINT ON THAT. SO, UM, WILL YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S REQUIRED AND WHAT IS ACTUALLY BEING PROVIDED? MM-HMM . UH, CAN I SAY WHAT'S REQUIRED AND WHAT'S BEING PROVIDED? YES. UM, SO WHEN AN SEP IS NOT REQUIRED, UM, THE CODE SAYS THAT, UM, THERE SHALL BE THREE OFF STREET PARKING SPACES PER COURT GAME, PER GAME COURT, I THINK IS WHAT IT SAYS. AND, UM, FOR THE AREAS OUTSIDE OF THE COURTS, IT, UH, IT NEEDS ONE SPACE, ONE SPACE FOR EVERY 150 SQUARE FEET, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE, THE PLAYING AREAS. SO, UM, THEY, IN THEIR TABLE HERE, THEY DISCOUNTED THEMSELVES THE COMMON SPACE, WHICH IS NOT HOW WE NORMALLY DO IT IN DALLAS. SO ALTHOUGH THEY'RE SAYING 24 HERE, UM, IF NSUP WAS NOT REQUIRED, I THINK I CALCULATED 32 WOULD BE REQUIRED IF IT WAS ALLOWED BY WRIGHT. UM, BUT SINCE NSUP IS REQUIRED, THE CODE DOES ALLOW FOR FLEXIBILITY IN THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. SO BASED ON THAT, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE SHOWN HERE, THE 36 SPACES MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS, CORRECT? YES. YES. OKAY. IF, IF IT WAS ALLOWED BY W RIGHT, THEY WOULD BE COMPLIANT WITH MINIMUM OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS. GREAT. AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU, WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM, MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF A BUILDING ALLOWED OF THIS TYPE? UM, HMM. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE NS DISTRICT ALLOWS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. IT'S, IT'S NOT VERY TALL. I WANNA, BUT, UM, THE REALLY RESTRICTIVE, UH, PARAMETER HERE IS RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE, UH, WHICH WOULD, UM, PROJECT FROM, OR ORIGINATE FROM THE, LEMME GO, LET ME GO BACK. WHEN, UM, WOULD PROJECT FROM THIS PROPERTY LINE WOULD BE THE CLOSEST. UM, SO IT WOULD GO UP AND OVER AT A, UH, SLOPE OF ONE FOOT AND HEIGHT FOR EVERY THREE FEET IN DISTANCE. AND, UM, SO THAT GENERALLY TAKES YOU 78 FEET TO BE ABLE TO GO BEYOND THE, UM, [02:05:01] PERMISSIBLE 26 FEET AND HEIGHT. AND SO SINCE THIS FRONTAGE IS 137 FEET FROM HERE TO HERE, UM, 78 FEET MIGHT BE ABOUT HERE. SO I'M ASSUMING THEY WOULD WANT A FLAT ROOF. AND SO THE WHOLE BUILDING WOULD BE A MAXIMUM OF 26 FEET, UM, IS PROBABLY HOW THIS WOULD GET CONSTRUCTED BASED ON RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE. OKAY. AND DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW HOW TALL THAT BUILDING IS? I DON'T, LET'S SEE IF THEY PUT IT ON HERE. THEY DID NOT, THEY DID NOT SPECIFY. SARAH, WHILE SARAH'S LOOKING FOR THAT, UM, I WAS JUST GONNA CLARIFY TO HELP SARAH OUT THAT, UM, FOR A FLAT ROOF AND NS, IT'S A MAXIMUM OF 30 FEET. OH YES. MAXIMUM OF 30 FEET. AND I THINK THE DUPLEX DISTRICT TO THE NORTH, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IN DUPLEX IS 36 FEET. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY A LOWER HEIGHT THAN WHAT'S ALLOWED IN THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY TO THE NORTH. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, IS THERE ANY SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SOUTHERN END OF, UH, OF THIS, UH, BUILDING? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S RIGHT, UH, ON THE PROPERTY LINE? GOOD, GOOD QUESTION. UM, SO THERE'S A 20 FOOT SETBACK WHEN YOU'RE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL ZONING, BUT NO SIDE OR YARD SETBACK IF YOU'RE NOT A, A BUDDING RESIDENTIAL ZONING. SO IT'S, UM, IN S ACTUALLY, I THINK THIS, THIS PORTION THAT, BUT, UH, RIGHT HERE IS ACTUALLY ZONED CS. UM, AND THIS PORTION OVER HERE IS THE SAME ZONING AS THE SUBJECT SITE, WHICH IS NS, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES COMMISSIONER HALL, MS. MAY, WE GOT AN EMAIL OR TWO FROM, UH, SOME PEOPLE WHO, WHO LIVE IN LTNA, NA I ASSUME MEANS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. DO YOU KNOW WHAT LT NA IS OR WHERE THIS ASSOCIATION IS LOCATED? IT, IT'S THE DUPLEX COMMUNITY TO THE NORTH. IT'S THE DUPLEX COMMUNITY IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH. MM-HMM . OKAY. AND I THINK THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SORT OF THING, BUT LOOKING AT THIS SITE, YOU HAVE APARTMENTS TO THE WEST, YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL, UH, COMMERCIAL IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH, YOU'RE AT THE INTERSECTION OF MARSH LANE AND, AND THE, AND THE TOW ROAD. AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET THERE'S A CHURCH MM-HMM . UH, THERE'S A BUNCH OF WOODED LAND ACROSS THE STREET. IS THAT A, YOU, UH, YOU REFERRED TO THAT AS A PARK? MM-HMM . IS THAT AN OFFICIAL CITY PARK OR IS IT JUST UNDEVELOPED? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PROGRAMMED BY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, BUT I BELIEVE IT IS OWNED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS. IT IS OWNED BY THE CITY, BUT IT'S NOT, I MEAN, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS, I DON'T SEE ANY APPARENT FACILITIES THERE OR TRAILS. I SAW, I SAW SOME MAP SOMEWHERE. IT MAY HAVE BEEN OUR INTERNAL MAP, BUT IT, IT CALLED IT ROSEMEAD PARK. OH, OKAY. SO IT MAYBE, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF IT HAS ANY LIKE, AND THEY WERE GONNA PUT LIKE A SIDEWALK ACCESS OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE, UH, IN THE PARK TO WALK OVER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, PERHAPS. YEAH. AND, AND ALSO, I DON'T HAVE A SLIDE THAT SHOWS THIS, BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME SCHOOLS FURTHER TO THE WEST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS APARTMENT COMMUNITY. MM-HMM . SO, SO THIS IS NOT ACTUALLY SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF RESIDENTIAL. I MEAN THERE'S, THERE'S MULTIPLE USES SURROUNDING THIS ON MM-HMM . TWO, AT LEAST TWO SIDES MM-HMM . MULTIFAMILY ON ONE AND, AND DUPLEX ON THE, ON THE, UH, THE OTHER. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M GONNA DO THAT ONE SINCE IT'S AT LEAST OUTLINED. MM-HMM . ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS. OKAY. WE'LL GO TO NUMBER 22. LET'S BRIEF THAT ONE. GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME BACK. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. OKAY, ITEM 22 IS KZ 2 3 4 2 2 9. [02:10:05] THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR ONE AND MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT AND TWO DATE RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB DISTRICT C AND SUB DISTRICT D WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 8 52 AND RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT. IT IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST AND NORTHWEST CORNER OF DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY AND PRESIDENT DO BUSH TURN PACK. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 19 POINT, UH, 3 45 ACRES. AND THIS IS THE LOCATION. SO IT'S, UM, ALL, ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTH ALONG, UM, THE CITY OF PLANO CITY LIMITS. UM, THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP AND THEN ZONING MAP. THE SURROUNDING AREAS TOWARDS THE NORTH, AS I MENTIONED, UM, IS THE CITY OF PLANO AND AGRICULTURE DISTRICT TOWARDS THE EAST IS, UM, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND CITY OF PLANO. AND THEN TOWARDS THE SOUTH IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL MU TWO AND PD 8 52, SUBURB A MB. AND THEN TOWARDS THE WEST IS PD 1 65. UM, THERE'S GASOLINE STATION OFFICE, MULTI-FAMILY TOWARDS THE NORTH RAILROAD TRACKS AS WELL AND MULTI-FAMILY TOWARDS THE EAST AND SOUTH. UM, AND THERE'S ALSO UNDEVELOPED TOWARDS THE SOUTH. THE AREA REQUEST IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AND IS WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 8 52, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL ON JUNE 22ND, 2011. AND IT'S ALSO, UM, REGIONAL, REGIONAL DISTRICT. SO UNDER PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 8 52 USES LIMITED TO THOSE MAIN USES PERMIT IN THE MO MID-RANGE OFFICE DISTRICT. UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO SOME CERTAIN COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE PROHIBITED. AND THEN, UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEVELOP A SITE WITH A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, THEREFORE THEY ARE PROPOSING AN MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT AND THEY HAVE ALSO VOLUNTEERED, DID RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD PROHIBIT MULTIFAMILY USE AS THESE ARE SOME OF THE SIDE PHOTOS ON ONSITE LOOKING EAST, LOOKING EAST. AND THIS IS LOOKING EAST, LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING WEST. AND THIS IS A PROPERTY ON THE, THE WEST SIDE OF THE DALLAS TOLLWAY LOOKING WEST. AND THEN THESE ARE SURROUNDING USES, LOOKING NORTHEAST, LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING NORTHEAST, LOOKING NORTHWEST, THEN LOOKING NORTH. AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. UM, SO AS I MENTIONED, THE EXISTING IS PD 8 52 AND RR AND THEY ARE PROPOSING AN MU THREE. AND THEN THE APPLICANT, AS I MENTIONED, HAS VOLUNTEERED RESTRICTIONS. THE FOLLOWING USES WILL BE PROHIBITED, WHICH IS MULTI-FAMILY, AND THEN STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL. UM, HOWEVER, I DO WANT TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION COULD HAVE GONE EITHER WAY. HOWEVER, BECAUSE THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED PRIOR TO THE FOUR DALLAS 2.0 ADOPTION, UH, STAFF ANALYSIS WAS DONE WITH FOUR DALLAS. UM, ONE, WHICH IS THE PRIOR AND THE REQUEST DID NOT ALIGN WITH THE LAND USE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE PLAN STAFF THAT THE ORIENTATION AND LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT SUITABLE FOR ANY TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS INCLUDING THE RETIREMENT HOUSING THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING. THERE WERE CONCERNS FOR RESIDENTIAL PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, WALKABILITY AND QUALITY OF LIFE BECAUSE THE AREA OF REQUEST IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO TWO MAJOR HIGHWAYS AND THEIR, UM, SHARED INTERCHANGE. SO THAT WHY STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER, SLEEPER, I COULDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE LAST, UH, LITTLE PART THAT YOU SAID, BUT UH, DID, DID, DID YOU SAY THAT THE APPLICANT WAS SEEKING TO DO MULTIFAMILY ON THE SITE? NO. UM, THEY ARE, UH, VOLUNTEERING JURISDICTIONS TO PROHIBIT MULTIFAMILY, BUT THEY ARE, UH, THEY MENTIONED THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS, UH, RETIREMENT, HOUSING, RETIREMENT HOU. OKAY. AND WHY WOULD YOU, UH, RECOMMEND AGAINST THAT, UM, THAT USE ON THIS SITE? SO STAFF RECOMMENDED DENIAL AS I MENTIONED, UM, BECAUSE WE, UH, IT'S BELIEVED THAT THE ORIENTATION IN THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT SUITABLE FOR ANY, ANY TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL, AND THAT IS INCLUDING RETIREMENT HOUSING. UM, THERE WERE CONCERNS FOR RESIDENTIAL PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AS IT IS ALIGNED, UH, WITH TWO MAIN HIGHWAYS. UM, SO WE ARE CONCERNED WITH THE SAFETY OF WALKABILITY FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT [02:15:01] IF, IF THE RETIREMENT HOUSING WAS PROPOSED AND THEN ALSO THE QUALITY OF LIFE, UM, IT IS ADJACENT TO TWO MAJOR HIGHWAYS AND THE NOISE COMING FROM IT, UM, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY, UM, UH, BUFFER BETWEEN. SO, UH, I WOULDN'T THINK THAT, UH, THE WALKABILITY, THE, THE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY ISSUE WOULD BE A HUGE ISSUE FOR A RETIREMENT CENTER. UM, AM I MISSING SOMETHING THERE OR ARE YOU ANTICIPATING THAT THESE WOULD BE PARTICULARLY, UH, UM, ARE RETIREMENT PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT ARE ACTIVE PEDESTRIAN PEOPLE OR? I, I'M NOT REALLY SURE I UNDERSTAND THE, THE COMPATIBILITY OF THAT SUGGESTION. MM-HMM . YEAH. WELL, UM, I HAVE DONE, UH, PREVIOUS LIKE, UM, WHERE THEY HAVE DONE RETIREMENT AND THEY HAVE INCLUDED WALKABILITY FOR THEIR RETIREMENT. UM, I KNOW MOST OF THEM ARE, DON'T, DON'T, UM, MAY NOT WALK, UM, AS MUCH. UH, BUT WE STILL, BECAUSE IT IS CONSIDERED RESIDENTIAL OF, WE DID WANT IT TO GO WITH THE, WITH THE POLICY OF THE, OF WHAT WAS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BEFORE, WHICH WAS, UM, MAKING THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES MORE WALKABLE AND CLOSER TO TWO AREAS THAT ARE, ARE FOR WALKABILITY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER TURNER. I HAVE A, UM, A QUESTION. SO JUST, UH, JUST SOUTH OF THIS SITE, DOWN THE HIGHWAY A LITTLE BIT FARTHER SOUTH, THERE'S ALMOST AN IDENTICAL CONDITION AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE TOLLWAY IN 6 35. KIND OF CAN GIVE YOU AN INSIGHT AS TO HOW AN INTERSECTION LIKE THIS OR A, A CROSSROAD SO TO SPEAK OF LIKE THIS COULD BE DEVELOPED. YOU KNOW, RIGHT HERE WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT VACANT LAND AND AT THAT INTER, AT THAT CROSSROAD OF 6 35 IN THE TOLLWAY, WE, WE HAVE MULTIFAMILY AND ONE QUADRANT, WE HAVE A, LIKE A HOTEL USE IN ANOTHER QUADRANT. WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY IN, IN ONE OF THE QUADRANTS AND THEN SOME COMMERCIAL. SO THE CLEARLY THE MARKET DOESN'T AGREE THAT THIS IS UNSAFE. I MEAN, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT HAVE CHOSEN TO RENT, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT HAVE CHOSEN TO BUY, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT HAVE CHOSEN TO COME AND STAY AT A HOTEL THAT HAVE NEAR IDENTICAL SITE CONDITIONS TO THIS, AND PRESUMABLY BECAUSE IT'S SOUTH AND CLOSER TO THE URBAN CORE OR EVEN HIGHER DENSITY. UM, SO MY QUESTION IS THAT BEING THE CASE, HOW DO YOU, HOW DOES THE STAFF APPROACH THAT TO, TO MAKE THE, THE, THE EXECUTIVE CALL, SO TO SPEAK, TO SAY IT'S, IT'S NOT, UH, CONDUCIVE TO PUBLIC SAFETY, FOR INSTANCE. AND A COUPLE OF THE OTHER TALKING POINTS THAT YOU HAD CITED, SO WELL, HOW I CITED, UM, WAS THAT THE ACCESS TO, TO THE SIDE AS WELL. THAT WAS ONE OF MY, THE, THE MAIN CONCERNS. UM, 'CAUSE ALONG THE NORTH SIDE IT, THERE'S THE, THE RAILROAD TRACKS. SO AGAIN, LIKE HOW IS IT GONNA CONNECT TOWARDS THE NORTH PROPERTIES? AND THEN BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO CORNERS, HOW ARE THEY GONNA BE CONNECTING, UH, AND THE ACCESS AS WELL. UM, THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES. AND, UM, AS I MENTIONED, BECAUSE THIS, UM, APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF, FOR DALLAS 2.0, UH, WE WERE BASING IT, I WAS BASING IT ON THE LAND USE ELEMENTS, UM, POLICIES AND GOALS OF THE PREVIOUS. UM, BUT IF IT HAD BEEN, UM, IF IT HAD, IF THE APPLICATION HAD COME IN, UM, NOW IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WITH THE FOUR DALLAS 2.0 AND ONE OF THE PLACE TYPES FOR THAT AREA THAT DALLAS 2.0 STATES IS A MIXED USE, UH, UH, CITY RESIDENTIAL COMMISSIONER HAWK. UM, ACTUALLY MS. GARZA JUST ADDRESSED MY QUESTION, WHICH WAS AROUND THE PLACE TYPE CITY RESIDENTIAL. AND IF THAT PLACE TYPE WERE AVAILABLE WHEN SHE WAS REVIEWING, WOULD IT HAVE BEEN, UH, WOULD THERE BE, WOULD THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD'VE CHANGED? IT SOUNDS LIKE THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD'VE CHANGED, BUT SHE JUST ADDRESSED IT. YES. THANK YOU, MS. GARZA. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HALL. THANK YOU MS. GARZA. UH, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS SITE ON, ON THREE QUADRANTS, MULTIFAMILY, SO THERE'S, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVING, YOU KNOW, LIVING IN THE VICINITY. UH, THE APPLICANT SENT US A, A MESSAGE, UM, UH, POINTING OUT A SIMILAR DEVELOPMENT AT NORTHWEST HIGHWAY AND CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY CALLED VENTANA, UH, WHICH I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH 'CAUSE IT'S SORT OF AROUND THE CORNER FROM WHERE WE LIVE, BUT, UH, THERE [02:20:01] VENTANA IS EVEN MORE TUCKED INTO THAT INTERSECTION THAN WHAT WOULD BE GOING IN HERE. SO, UH, IT, THE CITY HAS GRANTED, UH, PERMISSION TO BE AT THESE, UH, UH, AT THESE VERY BUSY INTERSECTIONS. VENTANAS THE TWIN, UH, TWIN MIDRISE TOWERS OF 55 PLUS, AND IT'S A QUITE EXPENSIVE PLACE TO LIVE. SO, UM, YEAH, I, I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF PROBLEM UNDERSTANDING WHY DENIAL HERE WHEN, WHEN THERE'S SOME SIMILAR THINGS ALREADY HAS BEEN DEVELOPED IN DALLAS, BUT MAYBE THAT'S A DISCUSSION FOR THIS AFTERNOON. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS. MR. RUBIN? YEAH. ANY IDEA WHY THERE'S A DEED RESTRICTION ON, ON MULTIFAMILY AND JUST IS STAFF SUPPORTIVE OF THAT DEED RESTRICTION? UM, SO I BELIEVE, UM, THIS WAS, UM, UH, SOMETHING THAT CAME UP WHEN THEY HAD NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, MEETINGS. I'M NOT TOO SURE. THAT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT HAD, UH, MENTIONED THAT THEY WANTED TO DO. UM, AND NO, I, OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS DENIAL, SO IT WOULD'VE BEEN THE WHOLE ENTIRE MIX USE OF COMING RESIDENTIAL, UM, INTO IT. BUT AS I MENTIONED, UM, IF, IF THE APPLICATION HAD COME IN, UM, NOW WITH THE 2.0, THE PLACE TYPE THAT IS RECOMMENDED, THERE IS A CITY RESIDENTIAL AND ASSUMING IT HAD COME IN AFTER FORWARD DALLAS 2.0, WOULD STAFF SUPPORT THE NO MULTI-FAMILY DEED RESTRICTION? NO, WE WOULD, UH, SUPPORT IT THAT IT WOULD STAY AS A, UH, AS A USE. OKAY. AND ARE WE ALLOWED TO DECLINE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE OFFERED BY THE APPLICANT IN APPROVING A CASE? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAWK. NO QUESTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, LET'S GO BACK AND PICK UP THE D SEVEN CASES. DO WE NEED NUMBER FIVE BRIEFED? YOU CAN BRIEF THAT AND IT CAN STAY ON, IT CAN STAY ON CONSENT. ALL RIGHT. WE DID DO THIS ONE. MY APOLOGIES. THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE. WE NUMBER SEVEN. NUMBER SEVEN COME OFF CONSENT. WE DIDN'T BRIEF THAT ONE, DID WE? DO WE NEED IT BRIEFED NUMBER SEVEN? NO. OKAY. NO. UNLESS ANYBODY HAS 5, 5, 5 HAVE TO BE ON, I MEAN, IT'S GOING CONSENT. IT CAN STAY ON CONSENT. OKAY. STAY ON CONSENT. SEVEN WILL COME OFF CONSENT, BUT UNLESS SOMEONE WANTS IT BRIEFED. AND JUST A QUESTION. OKAY. WELL, AND I WAS GONNA ASK COMMISSIONER WHEELER, I BELIEVE THERE WAS UPDATES, UM, ON ITEM SEVEN. IS THAT CORRECT? FROM A COMMUNITY MEETING THAT WAS HELD YESTERDAY? YEAH, IT WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING. UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT THEM AND THE, UM, FRI HAS COME TO. RIGHT. DID, DID STAFF HAVE ANY UPDATE FROM THAT OR, I KNOW IT JUST HAPPENED LAST NIGHT. UPDATE. SO OUR HANDLING, LET'S BRIEF IT. THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF, THAT'S BRIEF IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S PART OF THE, THE REASON WHY I CAME OFF CONSENT TOO, BECAUSE WE'LL DO A BRIEFING ON THAT ONE. I CAN BRING UP THE PRESENTATION, BUT I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING FROM THE MEETING THAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY. OKAY. IT'S OKAY. WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND BRIEF IT, PLEASE. OKAY. THANK YOU. WELL, CAN, CAN I ASK SOME? SO MAYBE WE NEED TO HOLD ON TO ADVISE ME UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING. YEAH, I, I THINK SO BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET ANY, THEY'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH FOR TWO MONTHS, SO WE NEED TO HOLD IT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO HOLD IT? YEAH, WE NEED TO. OKAY. WE JUST NEED TO HOLD IT THEN WE WILL HOLD IT TO, UM, THE NEXT MEETING. UM, MARCH 6TH. YEAH. MEEK AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON NEEDS TO SPEAK WITH FRI AND AND THE APPLICANT TO SEE WHAT WAS THAT? UM, AGREEMENT. OKAY, SO WE'LL TAKE THAT ONE OFF. CONSENT, HOLD IT UNDER ADVISEMENT TO MARCH 6TH. WE'LL BRIEF IT THEN. PARDON ME? NUMBER? YEAH. MARCH 6TH. YEAH. NUMBER SEVEN. HELD TO MARCH 6TH. DID I MISS ANY OTHER ONES? 17. 17. YEAH. 17. UM, THEY DIDN'T GET BACK TO ME ON WHAT IS A RESIDENTIAL TRANSITION. SUBDISTRICT. I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THAT. I SENT THEM. ARE WE GONNA HOLD THAT ONE OR WE NEED, UM, I NEED TO BE ADVISED BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT A RESIDENTIAL TRANSITION SUBDISTRICT IS. YEAH, LET'S BRIEF IT. . OKAY. LET'S BRIEF IT. MS. MAY. [02:25:31] OKAY, WE'LL, WE'LL BRIEF IT BEFORE WE HEAR IT, THEN WE'LL TAKE IT OFF. CONSENT MS. MAY. IS IT BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT? UM, SO WE WILL BRIEF THAT ONE BEFORE WE HEAR IT. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHERS THAT WE MISSED? I THINK THAT WAS IT. MM-HMM . DID WE MISS ANY OTHERS? WE DIDN'T. HOW ABOUT THE SIGNS BRIEFING PER REQUEST. ANY REQUEST TO BRIEF THE SIGNS? OKAY. OKAY. WELL THEN THAT CONCLUDES THE BRIEFING OF THE HOUSE OF YOUR PLAN COMMISSION COMMISSIONERS. IT IS 11:43 AM ENJOY YOUR LUNCH. WE'LL SEE YOU BACK AT 1230 FOR THE HEARING. [CALL TO ORDER] GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SCHOCK. HERE. GO AHEAD. DISTRICT TWO, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. PRESENT. DISTRICT THREE. COMMISSIONER HERBERT. DISTRICT FOUR. COMMISSIONER FORSYTH. HERE. DISTRICT FIVE, CHAIR SHADI. PRESENT. DISTRICT SIX. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. PRESENT. DISTRICT SEVEN. COMMISSIONER WHEELER. RAINEY. PRESENT. DISTRICT EIGHT. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN PRESENT. DISTRICT NINE. COMMISSIONER SLEEPER? HE'S HERE. DISTRICT 10. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. PRESENT? DISTRICT 11. COMMISSIONER NIGHTINGALE HERE. DISTRICT 12. COMMISSIONER HAWK PRESENT. DISTRICT 13. COMMISSIONER HALL. HE'S IN THE BACK. I THINK. DISTRICT 14. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND PLACE 15 VICE CHAIR RUBIN. I'M HERE. DO YOU HAVE QUORUM, SIR? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. WELCOME TO THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. TODAY IS THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 20, 20, 25, 12 30 1:00 PM A COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH THE AGENDA ARE SPEAKER GUIDELINES. EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK, UH, PER OUR RULES. IN CASES, UH, WHERE WE DO HAVE OPPOSITION, THE APPLICANT WILL RECEIVE A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL. THIS IS A HYBRID MEETING. WE WILL HAVE SOME FOLKS ONLINE AND I WILL ASK ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CAMERA IS ON AND WORKING. WE HAVE TO SEE YOU IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO HEAR FROM YOU. UH, WE'LL ASK ALL SPEAKERS TO BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. LASTLY, WE DO HAVE AGENDAS DOWN HERE AT THE TABLE TO THE BOTTOM RIGHT IF YOU NEED ONE. AND THERE'S ALSO LITTLE YELLOW CARDS THERE THAT YOU CAN FILL OUT. SO WE HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR VISIT HERE WITH US HERE TODAY. WITH THAT, WE'RE [MISCELANEOUS - CONSENT] GONNA GET STARTED RIGHT WITH THE, UH, MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS, CONSENT AGENDA, CONSISTENT OF CASES ONE THROUGH FOUR. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER, UH, NUMBER FOUR HAS BEEN TAKEN OFF CONSENT AND WILL BE HEARD, UH, INDIVIDUALLY. SO WE WILL READ NUMBERS ONE, TWO, AND THREE WILL BE VOTED ON IN ONE MOTION UNLESS THERE'S SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE THREE CASES, ONE THROUGH THREE. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ONE, TWO, OR THREE? OKAY. ITEM NUMBER ONE, AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING SITE. PLAN FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1661 ON PROPERTY ZONE AND IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT, SOUTHAMPTON ROAD, WEST FALL DRIVE, AND STONE VIEW DRIVE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. ITEM NUMBER TWO, AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. DISTRICT NUMBER 38 ON EAST LINE OF ALTOONA DRIVE, NORTHWEST OF LEDBETTER DRIVE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. AND ITEM NUMBER THREE, AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. DISTRICT NUMBER EIGHT 40 BOUNDED [02:30:01] BY GLAND DRIVE, IAN DRIVE, ULTI DRIVE, AND LONG BRANCH LANE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS. ANY LAST QUESTIONS ON THESE THREE CASES? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. IN THE MATTER OF THE MISCELLANEOUS DOCKET CONSENT ITEMS, AGENDA ITEMS, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON CASES ONE THROUGH THREE FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSIONS? NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. [4. 25-684A An application for a minor amendment to an existing site plan, landscape plan, and traffic management plan for Specific Use Permit No. 1305 for a public school other than an open-enrollment charter school on property zoned a TH-2(A) Townhouse District, on the south line of Maribeth Drive, between Dickerson Street and Osage Plaza Parkway.] WE'LL GO TO NUMBER FOUR. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CASE M 2 34 DASH 0 3 2. AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN AND TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN. FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1305 FOR A PUBLIC SCHOOL OTHER THAN AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTY ZONED A TH TWO, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF MARYBETH DRIVE BETWEEN DICKERSON STREET AND OSAGE PLAZA PARKWAY. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. THANK YOU. SEE THE APPLICANT IS HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON. CARL CROWLEY, 22 1 MAIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS. THIS IS A REQUESTED, UH, MINOR MEANT TO THE SGP FOR FRANKFORT MIDDLE SCHOOL FOR THE PLANO ISD. UM, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS, UH, TWOFOLD. ONE MINOR PART OF IT IS, UH, WE'RE MOVING AN, AN INDOOR FREEZER THAT'S IN THE KITCHEN OUTSIDE ADJACENT TO WHERE IT WAS AND WE'RE HAVING TO MOVE THE DUMPSTER LOCATION THAT WAS THERE, 600 SQUARE FEET THAT FREEZE UP A LITTLE MORE ROOM IN THE KITCHEN. AND THE OTHER REASON IS, UH, WE ARE, UM, ADDING, UH, A TRACK AROUND A FOOTBALL FIELD. UM, IT'S NOT LIT. THERE ARE NO BLEACHERS. IT IS LONG TO BE USED BY DURING SCHOOL HOURS OR I GUESS THE NEIGHBORHOOD COULD USE IT ON NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS AND STUFF. UM, IT'S JUST PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. IT'S JUST A TRACK, THREE OR FOUR LANE TRACK. IT'S NOT TO BE USED FOR ANY EVENTS OR ANYTHING ELSE JUST TO GIVE THE CHILDREN A PLACE TO PLAY A LITTLE MORE ORGANIZED. THE FOOTBALL FIELD, THEY DO HAVE, UH, MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND PLANO DO HAVE FOOTBALL TEAMS AND SOCCER TEAMS, SO THEY'LL USE IT DURING, UM, PRACTICE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT OTHERWISE, UM, HOURS OPERATION OR WHEN THE SUN'S UP AND WHEN IT'S NOT, THEY WON'T , THEY WON'T OPERATE ANYMORE. THAT'S IT. SO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU, SIR. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. IS THE FOOTBALL FIELD THERE NOW? UH, IT'S, IT'S, WE'RE REORIENTING. IT'S MORE EAST WEST NOW. WE'RE TURNING IT MORE NORTH SOUTH, SO YEAH, THERE IS A FOOTBALL FIELD THERE. IS IT AN ACTUAL FOOTBALL FIELD OR IS IT JUST FIELD SPACE? UM, THEY, THEY DO HAVE IT STRIPED OFF WHEN THEY PLAY FOOTBALL DURING FOOTBALL SEASON, BUT OTHERWISE IT'S JUST PRETTY MUCH A FIELD. YEAH, BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT IT ON GOOGLE MAPS, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST YEAH, OPEN PRAIRIE. YEAH, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE ORGANIZATION TO IT AND OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE THE PLANO ISD IS ADDING THIS TO ALL THEIR MIDDLE SCHOOLS. UM, SO THE TRACK AND THEN THE, THE FOOTBALL FIELD. SO AND, AND ARE THEY ADDING LIGHTS? NO, NO LIGHTS. NO SEATS? NO, NO. JUST A TRACK. WHAT ABOUT SCOREBOARD? I'M SORRY, WHAT WHAT ABOUT SCOREBOARD? OH, NO, NO, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE, IT IS NOT FOR ANY GAMES. IT'S JUST FOR PRACTICE AND FOR, I GUESS FOR THE KIDS, UH, ON PE AND STUFF, THEY'LL HAVE A PLACE TO WALK AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I GUESS PROBABLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL USE IT AS A WALKING TRACK ALSO. JUST WHAT OUTREACH DID YOU DO TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UM, WELL THIS WAS PART OF A BOND PROGRAM AND, AND THEY DID, UH, AS PART OF ALL THEIR BOND PROGRAMS, THEY OUTREACH TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE STAFF SENDS OUT NOTICES TO EVERYBODY WITHIN 200 FEET. BUT DID YOU HAVE ANY PUBLIC MEETINGS WITH THE HOMEOWNERS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET ON DICKERSON OR MARYBETH? NO, WE DID NOT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, IS IT CURRENTLY BEING USED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR ALREADY? IS IT THAT, IS THAT PORTION OF THE FIELD ALREADY BEING USED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR? UM, THEY'RE JUST USING IT FOR, AS AN OPEN FIELD, NOT REALLY ORGANIZED STUFF. BUT YOU DID SAY THAT, YOU DID SAY THAT THEY DO STRIPE IT OFF DURING FOOTBALL SEASON? YEAH, DURING FOOTBALL SEASON. THEY, THEY HAVE PRACTICE OUT THERE AND STUFF, SO THEY STRIPE IT OFF IN THAT SENSE. BUT IT, BUT IT'S NOT, THIS IS A LITTLE MORE FORMAL 'CAUSE IT'LL HAVE A TRACK AROUND IT. SO TRADITIONALLY, DO PLANO ISD PLAY AT A FIELD HOUSE, UH, THEIR MIDDLE SCHOOL PLAY AT A FIELD HOUSE, OR DO THEY PLAY AT THE SCHOOL THAT THEY ARE ATTENDING FOR FOR GAMES? THEY, THEY, [02:35:01] THEY HAVE STADIUMS LIKE, UM, LIKE MOST, WELL, BESIDES DISC, I GUESS, UH, MOST OF THE SUBURBS, THE, THE SCHOOL, THE INDIVIDUAL HIGH SCHOOLS HAVE STADIUMS AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS WILL PLAY AT THE HIGH SCHOOL STADIUMS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. AND THEN THE HIGH SCHOOLS PLAY, OBVIOUSLY AT LARGER STADIUMS. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ANTHONY, JUST TO FOLLOW UP IN LOOKING AT THE, UM, LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT'S IN OUR DOCKET, THERE'S A NOTE REGARDING A 14 FOOT ALUMINUM POLE WITH, UM, MESH NETTING. UM, THAT'S NOTED AS PROPOSED DISCUS. THERE'S A NOTE THAT APPEARS TO HAVE A PROPOSED SHOT PUT THAT SEEMS TO HAVE A SIMILAR GOALPOST ARE NOTED. UM, THERE'S SOME, WHAT I WOULD ANTICIPATE HAVE TO HAVE BEEN LIGHT POLES, BUT YOU STATED THERE'S NO LIGHT, NO LIGHTING, UM, INTENDED, BUT ARE THESE OTHER ELEMENTS, AND THERE'S A CHAIN LINK FENCE THAT IS NOTED ON HERE. ALL THAT'S GOING TO BE INSTALLED AS A PART OF THIS? YES. THAT'S PART OF THE TRACK. OBVIOUSLY DISCUS AND SHOT PUT ARE, ARE WHAT THEY OFFER IN THEIR TRACK. YEAH. YEAH. I JUST, AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. SURE. I THINK WE HEAR IT'S OPEN FIELD RIGHT NOW. STRIPE IT WHEN THEY NEED TO USE IT. THEY'RE ADDING THE TRACK SURROUNDING THAT FIELD TO KEEP THAT USE, BUT THEN THERE'S OTHER RELATED IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN. YEAH, IT, IT WILL BE USED FOR THE, THE TRACK AND THE TRACK AND FIELD, OBVIOUSLY THE FIELD PART BEING THE SHOT PUT AND THE DISCUS AND STUFF. AND I THINK YOU MAY HAVE HEARD DURING THE BRIEFING, UM, STAFF HAD NOTED THAT THE, UM, LANDSCAPE SCREENING WILL BE MAINTAINED. IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE MODIFIED. IS THAT RIGHT? BECAUSE WE SEE THAT THERE'S SOME PLANTINGS WHERE THEY'RE KIND OF NEST IN THE TRACK. WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO, WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO THE STREET. YEAH. YEAH. WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING SOME THERE. UM, THERE'S ALSO SOME OTHER POWER LINE AND STUFF INTERFERENCE, SO WE'RE MODIFYING IT WITH SMALLER TREES AND ALSO WITH THAT CLOSENESS TO THE TRACK, IF YOU PUT A LARGE TREE, THEN YOU'VE GOT TREE OVER THE TRACK AND THAT DOESN'T WORK VERY WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHEELERS LOOKING AROUND, THERE WAS ONE MORE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED DURING THE BRIEFING. IT WAS CONCERNING. WHAT IS A ALL PURPOSE, UH, OR ALL SEASON OR ALL SEASON TRIP? WHAT IS THAT ALL SEASON? I I'M SURE I ALL WEATHER ALL WEATHER. ALL WEATHER, ALL WEATHER TRACK. OKAY. IT'S, IT'S IN THIS CASE THERE, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT A CINDER TRACK. WELL, THAT'S REAL PROFESSIONAL. THAT WOULD, IT'S IT'S REALLY A RUBBERIZED KIND OF A TRACK. IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S, IT'S SPONGY. IT'S JUST A NORMAL SORT OF TRACK. IT, IT WON'T, THE WATER ROLLS OFF OF IT BASICALLY. BUT IT'S, IT'S, IF YOU WERE TO THINK OF LIKE A, ALMOST LIKE THE PADDING UNDERNEATH, UH, UH, OUTDOOR CARPET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT'S, IT'S A RUBBERIZED SORT OF TRACK. YEAH. AND SO ALL THE SCHOOLS ARE ARE PRETTY MUCH, AND, AND IF YOU GO TO THE DISD, THEIR HIGH SCHOOLS HAVE THE SAME, THEY HAVE A WIDER TRACK, BUT THEY HAVE THE SAME SORT OF SURFACE TRACK. IT'S A RUBBERIZED SORT OF TRACK. OKAY. AND OBVIOUSLY THE DISD, THEIR HIGH SCHOOLS NOW ARE PUTTING LIGHTS UP. OKAY. SO, UM, UH, THE RICHARDSON ISD HAS TRACKS. UM, UH, THE TWO RECENT ONES I WORKED ON, UM, UH, LAKE HIGHLANDS, UH, JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL HAS A TRACK, UH, HAS ALWAYS HAD A TRACK. AND THEN FOREST MEADOW, WHICH IS, UH, THIS IS THE, THE DALLAS, UH, UH, MIDDLE SCHOOLS OR JUNIOR HIGH FOREST MEADOW, WHICH IS AT ABRAMS AND WHITEHURST, I BELIEVE. UM, THAT HAS A TRACK ALSO. AND THOSE ARE ACTUALLY CLOSER TO HOUSES THAN THIS IS. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SCENE NONE. COMMISSIONER HAWK, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO. IN THE MATTER OF M 2 3 4 0 3 2, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO UPDATED SITE PLAN, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND LANDSCAPE PLAN. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAWK FOR YOUR MOTION. AND COMMISSIONER SHERLOCK FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, I, I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THIS MEETS THE STANDARD, UM, FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT. I THINK THE ADDITION OF THESE, UH, VARIOUS ATHLETIC FIELD, UM, COMPONENTS DOES ALTER THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, AND, AND TO ME IT'S A BIT OF AN END RUN AROUND THE PROCESS. IF, IF, IF A SCHOOL WERE BEING PROPOSED WITH THESE SORTS OF ATHLETIC FACILITIES AT THE TIME OF, YOU KNOW, CONCEPTION, UH, THERE WOULD BE, UH, INTERACTION WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO PERHAPS SET NEEDED CONDITIONS ON LIGHTING, HEIGHT OF LIGHTING, HOURS OF LIGHTING, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S LIGHTING, WHO'S USING THE FIELD, UM, IS THERE AMPLIFIED MUSIC, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING. SO, UM, TO ME THIS JUST DOES NOT FOLLOW THE, UM, IT DOES NOT MEET THE, THE CRITERIA FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, WHEELER [02:40:01] FOLLOW BY. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER, UM, CARPENTER, I, I DON'T THINK THIS FOLLOWS, I DON'T THINK THIS FALLS WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF A MINOR AMENDMENT. WHILE THIS MAY BE ALL WELL AND GOOD, IF WE WERE FOLLOWING A MORE TRADITIONAL ZONING OR REZONING PROCESS, I THINK THAT THE PROCESS BEING FOLLOWED DOESN'T GIVE THE PUBLIC A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN. AND I THINK IT GIVES THE DISTRICT TOO MUCH LEEWAY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE COMMUNITY NOW AND IN THE FUTURE. I DON'T AGREE THAT THIS ISN'T CLOSE TO HOMES. I'M LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS AND THERE ARE HOMES RIGHT ACROSS TWO OF THE, THE STREETS THAT THIS WILL BE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO. AND SO FOR THAT REASON, I CAN'T SUPPORT THE MOTION. UM, IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO BRING THIS BACK AS A REGULAR ZONING CASE AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT THIS SHOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH, UM, THEN I MIGHT BE MUCH MORE INCLINED TO SUPPORT IT WITH THE RIGHT PARAMETERS AND THE RIGHT, UM, PROTECTIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHEELER. YEAH, I DON'T THINK I, I I DON'T HAVE, I SUPPORT IT. I, I KNOW, AND, AND I THINK I, I MEAN, I WANNA SAY I SUPPORT IT BECAUSE IT, IT'S ALREADY A FIELD. WHETHER IT HAS, IT'S JUST GONNA IMPROVE ME TO THE FIELD. I MAY THEN I COULD BE WRONG, BUT YEAH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? LET'S DO RECORD VOTE. DISTRICT ONE. AYE. DISTRICT TWO? NO. DISTRICT THREE. COMMISSIONER HERBERT? WE'RE DOING A, A RECORD VOTE ON THIS ONE, SIR? YES. YES. I'M VOTE. I'M, I'M VOTING WITH COMMISSIONER HALL. THANK YOU. DISTRICT FOUR? YES. DISTRICT FIVE? YES. DISTRICT SIX? NO. DISTRICT SEVEN? YES. DISTRICT EIGHT? YES. DISTRICT NINE. DISTRICT 10? YES. DISTRICT 11? YES. DISTRICT 12? YES. DISTRICT 13. OBJECTION. DISTRICT 14 AND PLACE 15. YES. MOTION PASSES. GO TO CASE NUMBER FIVE. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON [5. 25-685A An application for approval of a site plan that does not comply with the requirements of the design standards for large retail uses in Section 51A-4.605of the Dallas Development Code, as amended, on property zoned an RR Regional Retail District on the southwest corner of E. R. L. Thornton Freeway and South Buckner Boulevard.] EVERYONE. ITEM NUMBER FIVE, A APPLICATION FOR APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN THAT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR LARGE RETAIL USES IN SECTION 51 A DASH 4.605 OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE AS AMENDED ON PROPERTIES ON RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF ERL THORN FREEWAY AND SOUTH BUCKNER BOULEVARD BOULEVARD. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN ALLOWING ONE, A EXCEPTION TO THE DESIGNS, THE ROOF, THE ROOF DESIGN. TWO, A EXCEPTION TO THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FOR OUTDOOR DISPLACED CELLS STORAGE AREAS. AND THREE, A VARIATION TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE SCREENING AT THE GARDEN CENTER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I SEE THE APPLICANT IS HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON. YES, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR. UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. MY NAME IS JONATHAN VINCENT, 2323 ROSS AVENUE, REPRESENTING HOME DEPOT ON THIS REQUEST. AND I HAVE WITH ME IN THE AUDIENCE, UH, JORDAN CORBETT, WHO'S PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER WITH KIMLEY HORN, UM, IN THEIR ATLANTA OFFICE. HE ACTUALLY FLEW IN FOR THIS, UH, TODAY. SO HE'S AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. AS AM I, UM, I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF. I SENT YOU SOME DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT THIS. WE DO BELIEVE WE MEET THE CRITERIA, UH, FOR THE VARIATIONS AND EXCEPTIONS. WE'RE ASKING FOR THREE OUT OF, BY MY COUNT, A TOTAL OF 27 THAT ARE IN THE REGULATIONS. UM, I THOUGHT MS. BLUE DID AN EXCELLENT STAFF REPORT. VERY COMPREHENSIVE. OBVIOUSLY WE COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL. AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, THE, UH, BUCKNER TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS THE CLOSEST, UH, GROUP. THEY'VE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME. UM, THEY ARE ENTHUSIASTICALLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. UM, AND IT'S NOT NEAR ANY RESIDENTIAL. SO TO THE EXTENT THAT BIG BOX REGULATIONS, THE DESIGN STANDARDS ARE DRIVEN BY VISUAL IMPACT, UM, YOU KNOW, I GET IT WHEN THEY'RE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THIS IS A MUCH DIFFERENT SITUATION. IT'S ON THE EDGE OF THE CITY ACROSS FROM MESQUITE AT BUCKNER AND I 30 SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIAL AND IN FACT, UH, OUR, OUR REGIONAL RETAIL ZONING. SO, UM, THE QUESTION CAME UP, WHY DIDN'T WE APPLY FOR A PD? THIS IS ACTUALLY AN, AN ENHANCED, UH, HOME DEPOT [02:45:01] DESIGN. IT'S, UH, THEY'VE UPGRADED IT SINCE SOME OF THE ORIGINAL ONES YOU'VE SEEN. UM, AND WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE, HAVE A REASON TO ASK FOR A PD BECAUSE THE USE IS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT. UM, AND WE MEET ALL THE BUILDING ENVELOPE REGULATIONS. SO THERE WAS NO COMPELLING REASON TO DO THAT. SO THIS PROCESS WAS AVAILABLE TO US. WE, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A LOT FASTER AND, UM, FELT LIKE WE MET THE CRITERIA. SO WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY TO RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS IS MR. CORBETT. THANK YOU, SIR. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. SEE NONE. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION IN A MATTER OF M 2 45 DASH 0 0 1? I MOVE TO CLOSE TO PUBLIC HEARING AND FILE A STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OR APPROVAL? UM, UM, WHAT'S THE LAST PART OF A SITE? YOU HAVE TO READ THE WHOLE THING. YEAH. APPROVE APPROVAL. UM, YEAH. UH, WOULD THAT BE OF A, A SITE PLAN LINE ONE AND EXCEPTION WITH SITE? YEAH. WITH THE SITE PLAN AND EXCEPTION TO THE ROOFING DESIGNS EXCEPTION OF THE SCREENING REQUIREMENT FOR OUTDOOR DOOR CELLS AND STORAGE. UH, AN EXCEPTION. UM, AND NOT TO FOLLOW, STOP RECOMMENDATION FOR NUMBER TWO. UM, AND EXCEPTION TO THE SCREENING REQUIREMENT FOR OUR DOOR DISPLAY CELLS AND STORAGE AREAS. UM, BUT FOLLOWED FOR THREE, A VARIATION OF DESIGN STANDARDS FOR SCREENING AND GARDEN CENTER. OKAY. SO LEMME RECAP. WE HAVE A, A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER. WE EITHER TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE STANDARD RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR ITEMS ONE AND THREE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. CORRECT. NOT NUMBER TWO? NO. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HALL, UH, DISCUSSION? ANY COMMENTS? BECAUSE OF THE AREA THAT THIS IS IN, UM, THE, I I, I CAN'T, I, I DON'T FEEL ANY GOOD FAITH TO, UM, TO ALLOW FOR AN EXCEPTION FOR THE SCREENING OF, OF THE OUTDOOR DISPLAYS AND SALES OF STORAGE. UM, THIS IS IN A HIGH TRAFFIC AREA. UM, EVERY OTHER, EVERY OTHER RETAILER THAT'S IN, UH, THAT'S AROUND WALMART AND SAM'S ALSO HAVE A SCREENING FOR THE MOST PART. BUT I, I KINDA WOULD RE I WOULD WANNA SEE SOME TYPE OF SCREENING FOR THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, YOU NEED CLARIFICATION. WELL, I GUESS, UM, THERE'S AN AND, AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WHEELER. THERE WERE A LOT OF EXCEPTIONS. I THINK I UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT THE APPLICANT'S CONCERN, BUT IT APPEARED THAT THERE WERE BOTH FIXED AND TEMPORARY OUTDOOR SCREENING RELATED TO, UM, SEASONAL DISPLAYS. AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. UM, AFTER HOURS, I THINK, RIGHT? IT IF, IF WE NEEDED TO MAYBE HOLD THIS OR TABLE THIS, UM, SO THAT WE COULD UNDERSTAND. 'CAUSE I, IS IT YOUR INTENT TO ALSO PRECLUDE THOSE TEMPORARY? NO. SO MY CONCERN IS MORE OF THE AFTER HOURS AND, AND THE AFTER HOURS. UH, WELL, THESE AND NOT BEING SCREENED DURING THE AFTER HOURS, NOT FOR LIKE DOING WORKING HOURS. AND, AND, AND MAYBE THAT'S, AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THE AREA THAT IT'S IN. AND I I, I HEAR YOU AND I THINK I SHARE YOUR, UM, CONSIDERATION, UH, VICE TRU BEFORE WE TAKE A BREAK, PLEASE. YEAH. I, I'M THINKING OF, OF THE HOME DEPOTS THAT, THAT I'VE BEEN TO AND THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE OUTSIDE OF THEIR GARDEN CENTER OR THINGS LIKE THAT, A A SMALL AMOUNT OF DISPLAYS THAT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN FLOWER OR VEGETABLES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, THAT'S OUTSIDE THE, THE FENCE THAT ENCOMPASSES MOST OF THE GARDEN CENTER. UM, UM, I THINK THEY KIND OF TAKE THAT STUFF IN AT, AT NIGHT, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. SO I THINK THIS WOULD PRECLUDE THEM FROM DOING THAT SORT OF OPERATION. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'M COMFORTABLE, UM, OMITTING NUMBER TWO WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, HOME DEPOT, IF IT CHOOSES TO LEAVE STUFF OUT AT NIGHT AFTER OPERATING HOURS TAKES ITS OWN RISK, YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO WHATEVER IT CHOOSES TO LEAVE OUTSIDE. SO COMMISSIONER I I, SO THIS MORE THAN JUST FLOWERS, IT'S BUILDING MATERIALS, THIS THING AND, AND THIS AREA IS RIGHT NOW HIGH FOR CRIME. AND SO MY THOUGHT PATTERN IS, IS THE CRIME ASPECT. AND IF, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S LEGAL OR, OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT IS THE AREA. UM, AND WE ALREADY HAVE SITUATIONS IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA AND IT'S MORE OF A PROTECTION [02:50:01] AND NOT TO INCREASE, UM, CRIME. I KNOW THE COMMUNITY IS HAPPY FOR THE HOME DEPOT COMING FOR THIS AREA, BUT THOSE ARE SOME, SOME VALID CONCERNS WITH WHAT'S GOING ON. UM, UM, WE GOTTA UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PARTICULAR HOME DEPOT IS GOING TO BE NEXT TO SAM'S, NEXT TO WALMART, UM, AND SOME MORE AREAS, BUT IT'S THE AREA THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE REASON FOR ME. UM, BUT IF THEY'RE WILLING TO TAKE THAT RISK REPORT, I, I THINK I JUST, AND I HAVE NOT TALKED WITH BUCK TERRACE. I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE, MAYBE I NEED TO, WHY DON'T WE, WE NEED TO HOLD THIS. YEAH. WHY DON'T WE JUST TAKE A QUICK BREAK TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT, UH, I THINK WHAT YOU WANNA ACCOMPLISH AND MAKE SURE THAT IT ALIGNS WITH JUST THAT ONE LINE. SO LET'S TAKE A QUICK BREAK ABOUT MR. VINCENT TO DO A LITTLE SIDE TRACK HERE. WE WILL. WELL, AND ALSO 'CAUSE THE CONCERN IS THAT WE, MAYBE I NEED TO HOLD IT BECAUSE NOT ONLY IS ARI, WE HAVE THIS PARTICULAR AREA. WE ALSO TALKED FRI, UM, 'CAUSE WE WANT TO GET IT RIGHT, WE DO WANT THE HOME DEPOT. SO THAT'S A FACT. OKAY. LET, LET'S, WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK AND YOU GUYS CAN CONFIRM WE'RE HAPPY TO, UH, HOLD IT IF WE HAVE TO. SO 10, 12 55, WE'LL TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, EXACTLY. 10 MINUTES. 1 0 5. WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD. JORGE, ARE WE RECORDING, SIR? THANK YOU. UH, WE'RE, WE'RE BACK. UH, UM, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, LET'S START WITH THE MOTION AGAIN FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PLEASE. YES. UM, IN THE MATTER OF M 2 45 DASH 0 0 1, MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, INSTALL FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL FOR ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE. UM, AND, UH, AND THE SITE PLAN. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, UH, WHEELER FOR YOUR MOTION. AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE. I, I JUST WANNA THANK COMMISSIONER WHEELER, UM, AND THE APPLICANT. UM, I THINK THE CONCERNS FOR HOW THE COMMUNITY ARE DEVELOPING ARE IMPORTANT AND I THINK CONTINUING THAT DIALOGUE, UM, CERTAINLY I THINK HAVING NEW BUSINESS IN IS, IS A POSITIVE TREND, UM, BUT MAKING SURE THAT IT REMAINS CONTRIBUTING IS, IS ALWAYS AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION. SO THANK YOU. HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION. THANK YOU. C CAN I ASK A QUESTION, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER, FOR IS THE MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS TO UNDER, I KNOW TO VOTE ON IT NOW? YES. OKAY. TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND AND FALSE STAFF WRECK ON THE THREE ITEMS AND THE SITE PLAN. UH, JUST A, JUST A QUESTION PLEASE. COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES. IN THE, IN THE, UM, SPEAK OF THE, THE COVERINGS, IT WAS A TALKED ABOUT ARTIFICIAL MESH AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS CLEAR THAT IT WOULD BE A MESH AND NOT A MASONRY OR, UH, OTHER TYPES OF, UM, FENCING THAT I'VE SEEN AT OTHER HOME DEPOT. YEAH, IT'S, ARE YOU SAYING FOR THE GARDEN CENTER? CORRECT. UHHUH. , YEAH. SO IT'LL BE A MESH, UH, WITH STEEL POSTS. AND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE FACADE THAT'S FACING HIGHWAY 30, THEY WILL PROVIDE, I THINK IT'S THREE OR FOUR, UH, MASONRY, UH, COLUMNS. UM, BUT THE FRONT OF THE GARDEN CENTER THAT'S FACING SOUTH PARKER, NO, SOUTH BUCKNER, AND THEN THE REAR THAT'S FACING THE REAR OF ADDITIONAL, UH, RESIDENTIAL USE, NOT RESIDENTIAL, SORRY, RETAIL USES. THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY MASONRY ON THOSE TWO FACADES. OKAY. THANK YOU. I I HOPE THAT THEY KIND OF LOOK AT THEIR FRISCO LOCATION TO MODEL, BUT, UM, JUST, I, I SUPPORT THE MOTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER WHEELER SECOND ROUND. THAT FOR THE MOST PART, THAT THE COMMUNITY IS HAPPY FOR HOME DEPOT COMING. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, THAT THEY ARE INCLUDING, ESPECIALLY WITH THE MASON AREA THAT THE, UH, THE COMMUNITY KINDA WANTS. WE ARE IN AN AREA THAT WARRANTS SOME OF THOSE THINGS. UM, AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO CONTRIBUTING TO SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE WELL NEEDED FOR YEARS IS A, A TRAFFIC LIGHT THAT WE NEED. UM, YOU CAN'T CROSS, YOU CAN'T CROSS WHEN YOU CROSS BUCKNER ACROSS 30. YOU DON'T HAVE A STOPLIGHT, IT SEEMS LIKE, I THINK UNTIL YOU GET TO SAMUEL. AND THAT CORNER WILL DEFINITELY BE GREAT. YOU CAN'T PULL OUT OF, UM, SAM'S PARKING LOT WITH THAT OUT ALMOST GETTING HIT. SO THEM CONTRIBUTING THAT IS GOING IS, IS AMAZING. WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THE CITY TO DO IT FOR YEARS. , UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. UH, I THINK IT'S, UH, 20, 25 YEARS AGO. THIS USED TO BE A KMART. YES. IS THAT RIGHT? AND, AND IT, WHEN KMART DISAPPEARED, WE ALL THOUGHT THAT IT WAS A PERFECT [02:55:01] LOCATION FOR A HOME DEPOT. SO I'M GLAD IT FINALLY CAME AROUND. WELL, ABOUT 25 YEARS, A LITTLE LATE, BUT BETTER LATE THAN EVER. UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER, CNN? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. UH, WE'RE [ZONING CASES - CONSENT] NOW MOVING TO OUR, UH, ZONING CASES, CONSENTED AGENDA ITEM CONSISTING OF CASES SIX THROUGH 18. LET'S SEE, WHAT AM I READING IN THE RIGHT? YEAH, LET'S SEE. SO, SO THIS IS WHAT I HAVE, UM, CASES 6, 7, 9, 11, 12, 14, 16, 17, AND 18 HAVE ALL BEEN MOVED OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE DISPOSED OF INDIVIDUALLY. THAT LEAVES CASES 8, 10, 13, AND 15 ON THE CONSENT. IS THAT WHAT WE HAVE? SO IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON CASES 8, 10, 13 OR 15? AND IF SO, WE'LL PULL IT OFF THE CONSENT AND HEAR IT INDIVIDUALLY. 16 IS OFF. 16 IS OFF. SO WE HAVE 8, 10, 13, 15. OKAY, WE'LL READ THOSE IN PLEASE. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. SO OUR CONSENT AGENDA, I'LL READ IT IN ORDER. CASE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, ZONING CASE NUMBER Z 2 3 4 2 46 IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. NUMBER 2170 FOR AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL USE ON PROPERTIES ON AN RR RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF WEST CAMP WISDOM ROAD, AND THE WEST LINE OF INTERSTATE 30 E FREEWAY STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED SITE PLAN, AMENDING TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS. I, I DO A CORRECTION THERE, PLEASE. IT, IT, SHE REVISED IT AT THE BRIEFING. IT'S SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN, AN AMENDED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND AMENDED CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED YES AS BRIEFED. PERFECT AS BRIEFED. UM, THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 10 IS Z 2 4 5 104 IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 4 53 ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF WALNUT HILL LANE AND GREENVILLE AVENUE AND THE SOUTH LINE OF WALNUT HILL LANE EAST OF GREENVILLE AVENUE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. LET'S SEE, ITEM NUMBER 13 Z 2 3 4. 3 44 IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED AN R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF ARROW ROAD, NORTH OF SULAND AVENUE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. AND ITEM NUMBER 15, WHICH IS Z 2 4 5 1 0 1, IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN NSA NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED AN R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF LAKE JUNE ROAD, WEST OF NORTH SAINT AUGUSTINE. ROAD. STAR RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL AND THIS IS THE ENTIRE CONSENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE FOUR CASES? OKAY, SEEING NONE, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? UM, YES, I DO. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT, UM, DOCKET INCLUDING 8, 10, 13, AND 15 AS READ INTO THE RECORD. THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOUR MOTION AND, UH, VICE CHAIR MOVING FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEE YOU. NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. [6. 25-686A An application for an amendment to Planned Development District No. 136 and its land use map, on the south corner of Farview Avenue and Winslow Avenue.] GO BACK TO CASE NUMBER SIX I. ITEM NUMBER SIX IS Z 2 23. 1 67 IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT. DISTRICT NUMBER, UH, 1 36 AND ITS LAND USE MAP ON THE SOUTH CORNER OF FAIRVIEW AVENUE WINS WINSLOW AVENUE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED LEN MAP AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU. I THINK THE APPLICANT IS ONLINE ON THIS ONE. JORGE, IS SHE ONLINE? IS SHE ONLINE? MS. S. PERFECT. MS. SRE, GOOD AFTERNOON. WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS. PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CAMERA IS ON AND WORKING. [03:00:04] MS UH, S WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS IF YOU CAN HEAR US. UH, YEAH, I, HELLO. UH, I, I, I'M HERE. UH, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CAMERA IS ON. UM, OH, UH, UH, OH, I'M HERE. OKAY, PERFECT. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. OH, CAN I SEE YOU ? UH, YES MA'AM. WE'RE, WE'RE READY TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT YOUR CASE. OH, OKAY. YOU PLEASE JUST BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS. OH, OKAY. UM, BECAUSE, UH, I THINK, UH, ACCORDING TO THE, UH, THE GROWTH RATE, THE POPULATION IS GOING TO HAVE A MORE SINGLE PERSON, UH, IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN A LOT OF AREA. I THINK IT'S ABOUT THE OVER 40 PERSON ARE SINGLE. SO I WANT TO, UH, THE REASON I WANT TO, TO BE A DUPLE IS, UH, ACTUALLY BIG SINGLE HOUSE IS NOT, UH, UH, UH, CALLED, UH, A ANOTHER SINGLE PERSON AND A SENIOR POP POPULATION, UH, BECAUSE IS A, UH, IS NOT A, NOT A, UH, PAY FOR OUR IN THE FUTURE WORLD. AND, UH, MORE, MORE PEOPLE NEED A SMALL UNI OF THE HOUSE. SO THE QUE CAN BE, UH, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF A, A SINGLE BIG HOUSE, WE CAN HAVE A MORE SMALLER HOUSE. SO THIS IS MY, UH, WHAT I AM THINKING BECAUSE, UH, ACTUALLY I AM REALTOR AND I STAY IN THE HOUSE AND LEAVE THE HOUSE. THERE'S MORE, MORE DEMANDING FOR THE SMALL, SMALL UNION OF THE HOUSE OR APARTMENT. SO, SO, UH, I DID NOT WANT TO BE A FEEL A BIG HOUSE. I WANT TO BUILD A TWO SMALL HOUSE. SO, SO I THINK, UH, AND, UH, THIS IS THE TREND BECAUSE, UH, THE POPULATION, THE SINGLE PERSON IS GROW MORE THAN THE BIG, THE PEOPLE LIVE IN THE BIG HOUSE. I MEAN, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE TRAIN OF THE WORLD, THE POPULATION IS LESS, AND A SENIOR PERSON IS MORE SO EVEN, YOU KNOW, MARRIED FAMILY IS BAD. AND LESS SO THE, THE, THE HOUSE DEMAND FOR THE SINGLE PERSON IS MORE AND MORE. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING THIS LAB, UH, CONVERT TO THE PL AND I CAN USE A SMALLER, MORE UNI AND SMALLER. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS? YEAH. PERFECT. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? OKAY, WE'LL GO TO OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION. THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE. IS IT ON? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MELANIE VAN LANDINGHAM, 63 11 LAKESHORE, THE STAFF HAS RESURRECTED THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLUS PLAN TO FALSELY JUSTIFY THIS ILLEGAL UPZONING IN OWEN WOOD, BUT THEY HAVEN'T EVEN INITIATED THIS. IN OWEN WOOD, THERE'S BEEN NO NEIGHBORHOOD ORIENTED APPROACH TO GUIDE CHANGE TO REFLECT THE EXISTING RESIDENTS GOALS AND NEEDS, OR TO INCLUDE THEM IN DEVELOPING SOLUTIONS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOUSING REHABILITATION, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE AT [03:05:01] ITS CORE AFFORDABILITY ISN'T THE GOAL OF THIS UP ZONING. THERE'S BEEN NO NEIGHBORHOOD PLUS FOCUS ON WORKING WITH RESIDENTS TO CONSIDER RECEDING PROGRAMS, TO PUT VACANT PROPERTIES TO INTERIM USE THAT SERVES THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S BEEN NO PLANNING DEPARTMENT EFFORT TO INVOLVE THE COMMUNITY TO DEVELOP PROTOTYPES OF COMPATIBLE HOUSING STYLES FOR INFILL AND SMALL LOT HOUSING DESIGN OPTIONS. WITH AN EMPHASIS ON AFFORDABILITY, NONE OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD PLUS WORK HAS BEEN DONE. IT WAS RESURRECTED AS A FALSE BASIS FOR RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS CASE, AND SO THAT ITS INTENT CAN BE TWISTED AND MANIPULATED TO JUSTIFY THIS ILLEGAL SPOT ZONING. AND IT IS ILLEGAL. NOT ONLY DOES IT VIOLATE THE HOUSING POLICY POLICY, INCENTIVIZING DEMOLITION OF EXISTING HOMES AND DISPLACEMENT FOR MORE INFILL FOR OTHER PEOPLE. IT ALSO VIOLATES FORWARD DALLAS THAT VERY CLEARLY STATES THAT PDS WILL BE PROTECTED PDS LIKE THE OWEN WOOD PD, THIS PD THAT REQUIRES SINGLE FAMILY TO REMAIN SINGLE FAMILY. THIS CASE WOULD GIVE ILLEGAL PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT TO THIS ONE PROPERTY OWNER AND THIS TEXAS SUPREME COURT IN FAR VERSUS TIPPETT STATES, QUOTE, SPOT ZONING IS REGARDED AS A PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT, WHICH DEFEATS A PRE-ESTABLISHED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SPOT ZONING IS PIECEMEAL ZONING. THE ANTITHESIS OF PLANNED ZONING, SPOT ZONING THAT DEFIES THE LOCAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ILLEGAL. THIS CASE IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF ILLEGAL SPOT ZONING IN DALLAS. IT MUST BE DENIED. THANK YOU, YOU AND THAT SPEAKER PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M KAREN ROBERTS, 5 0 2 CAMERON 7 5 2 2 3. I WANNA BEGIN BY OWEN WOOD IS A WORKING CLASS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT IS WHY THE NEIGHBORS AREN'T HERE. THEY DO NOT HAVE JOBS WHERE THEY CAN TAKE OFF WORK AND COME AND SIT AT THE PLAN COMMISSION, BUT THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITY. IN 1981, I WENT DOOR TO DOOR WITH MR. RODRIGUEZ, WHO LIVED ON FAIRVIEW. IN OWEN WOOD, WE EXPLAINED TO THE OTHER RESIDENTS THE NEED FOR A ZONING CHANGE THAT PROTECTED THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AT THE TIME THAT THIS PART OF OWEN WAS, OWEN WOOD WAS ZONED INDUSTRIAL RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION WAS NOT ALLOWED EVEN TO REPLACE A HOME THAT BURNED AND INDUSTRIAL PLANTS COULD BE BUILT NEXT TO THE FAMILY HOMES. IN JANUARY OF 1981, PD 1 34 36 WAS PASSED BY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE PLAN COMMISSION AND A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE CITY COUNCIL, ALONG WITH PD 1 34 IN MOUNT AUBURN PD 1 36 STATES THAT SINGLE FAMILY LOTS REMAIN SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. TODAY YOU ARE ASKED TO AMEND PD 31 36 WITH SPOT ZONING, ALLOWING A LOT TO CHANGE FROM SINGLE FAMILY TO DUPLEX, VIOLATES THE PD AND OPENS THE DOOR TO REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS HIGH DENSITY, AFFORDABLE NEIGHBORHOOD SPOT ZONING THAT SPOT ZONING THAT DEFIES THE LOCAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FORWARD. DALLAS 2.0 IS ILLEGAL AS ESTABLISHED BY THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT IN PHARR VERSUS TIPPE. ADDITIONALLY, PDS ARE PROTECTED UNDER FORWARD DALLAS 2.0. AS REPORTED BY OWEN WOOD RESIDENTS, OUR CITY GOVERNMENT ALLOWED DUPLEXES ON SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. IN 1 36, CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS FAILED TO RESPOND TO COMPLAINTS. DO NOT CONDONE THESE VIOLATIONS BY APPROVING THIS APPLICATION. STAFF CASE REPORTS SELECTIVELY PICKS THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLUS PLAN OF 2015 CITING ENCOURAGE A WIDER RANGE OF WELL-DESIGNED AFFORDABLE HOUSING TYPES AS A RESPONSE TO EMERGING HOME OWNERSHIP PREFERENCES. PLEASE LOOK AT THE DUPLEXES IN MOUNT AUBURN THAT COST OVER $600,000 PER SIDE AND RENT FOR OVER 400. FOR FOUR OVER $4,000 A MONTH. A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME CAN BE BUILT ON THIS LOT WITHOUT A ZONING CHANGE, IT WILL MOST CERTAINLY COST MORE THAN THE EXISTING HOUSING, BUT NO ZONING CHANGES REQUIRED. THE HOUSING POLICY OF 2033 IDENTIFIED PRESERVATION OF EXISTING HOUSING AND PREVENTION OF DISPLACEMENT AS POLICY GOALS. IN RESPONSE, THE DALLAS HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT ESTABLISHED THREE EQUITY STRATEGY TARGET AREAS, [03:10:01] THIS PD AND ALL OF OWEN, THANK YOU. YOUR TIME IS UP. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THAT ARE IN THESE TARGET AREAS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE IN THE CHAMBER THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? LET'S GO TO OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE IS, UH, MS. MENDOZA ONLINE? OKAY, MS. MENDOZA, ARE WE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS? HELLO? HI, MY NAME IS SARAH. I'M AT 3 2 5 1 FAIRVIEW AVENUE. UM, I AM A RESIDENT OF OWEN WOOD NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND I'M IN OPPOSITION, UM, OF THE REQUEST AT THE 1500 FAIRVIEW AVENUE. UM, THE ELLINGWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, INCLUDING MYSELF, WE COMPLETED OUTREACH TO NEIGHBORS DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THE ZONING REQUESTS. ALL THE NEIGHBORS WE SPOKE WITH, UM, ARE IN OPPOSITION, WHICH WAS OVER 10 OF THE, UH, 10 HOMEOWNERS. UM, AND THEY RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAXES, REDEVELOPMENT, AND, YOU KNOW, POINTED OUT THE GENTRIFICATION ACROSS I 30. UH, MOVING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, MO MOST NEIGHBORS WERE ABLE TO SUBMIT A, UH, THE CPC BALLOT IN OPPOSITION. UH, BUT WE DID FIND THAT EVEN MORE BALLOTS WERE SENT TO ABSENTEE OWNERS, UM, OR OWNERS WHO DO NOT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEY ARE RENTING OUT THE HOME. UM, SO THESE NEIGHBORS WHO DON'T HAVE A VOTE, UM, WILL BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THE, UH, THIS REZONING. UM, THIS IS ALLOWED, RENTERS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE DISPLACED AS PROPERTY OWNERS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THE RISING TAXES AND OFTENTIMES, YOU KNOW, THEY MUST SELL THEIR HOMES, UM, OR RENT INCREASE TO KEEP UP WITH THE RISING PROPERTY TAXES. UM, AND PEOPLE ARE JUST NOT ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THE RISING RENTS. UM, WHERE WE'RE ASKING IS THAT YOU HONOR THE PD, UH, IN PLACE AND ALLOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF TO REVIEW AND UPDATE, UH, CURRENT PD TO HELP PROTECT OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND PRESERVE NOT ONLY THE HISTORY OF ALWOOD, BUT ALSO ITS CHARACTER, UM, AND IDENTITY. UM, WHEN PURCHASING A HOME MYSELF, I WAS NOT ABLE TO FIND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE MON AUBURN NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS, YOU KNOW, I 30 WHERE MY FAMILY, UH, STILL LIVES. AND, UM, I'VE LIVED FOR, I I LIVED FOR MANY YEARS BECAUSE OF THE GEN GENTRIFICATION IN THE AREA, RIGHT? BECAUSE DUE TO THE TOWERING DUPLEXES, UM, AS REDEVELOPMENTS SPREADS, IT'S A REAL CONCERN FOR, UH, HOMEOWNERS AND RENTERS OF WHERE WE MIGHT BE PUSHED OUT TO NEXT. UM, SO WHERE IS THE PROTECTION FOR INCLUSIVE HOUSING? UM, I ASK, OR, WELL, MY ASK IS THAT YOU PLEASE CONSIDER DENYING THIS REQUEST, UM, TO HELP PREVENT THE UPZONING OF A MOSTLY MINORITY. UM, AS I MENTIONED, WORKING CLASS, AFFORDABLE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, WE DO APPRECIATE, UH, CITY STAFF WORKING WITH US ON THIS WITH THE APPLICANT AND THE PLANNER. UM, AND WE JUST LOOK FORWARD TO THE OWING WOOD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. IT'S CONTINUED WORK, UM, IN COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY STAFF. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, UH, WOODROW AUSTIN. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS WOODROW WATTS AUSTIN JR. MR. AUSTIN, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR CAMERA'S ON. WE HAVE TO SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU. SIR, IT IS ON, LEMME SEE HERE. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO TOGGLE IT ON AND OFF. OKAY. IT, IT IS ALL, LEMME SEE HERE. OKAY. OKAY. LEMME DO IT AGAIN. IS THIS ON? CAN YOU SEE IT NOW? NO, SIR. UH, WELL, IT IS ON, GO BACK TO YOUR TECHNICAL THINGS HERE. OKAY. [03:15:05] OKAY. STILL DON'T SEE ME? NO, SIR. THE CAMERA'S ON WEBEX. LET'S GIVE IT ONE MORE TRY, PLEASE. I'M TARGETED ON AND OFF, BUT IT'S NOT CHAIRMAN, CAN I SUGGEST THAT HE PRESS THE START VIDEO BUTTON AT THE BOTTOM OF HIS SCREEN, PLEASE? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'VE DONE. . I'VE BEEN DOING THAT AND IT'S STILL, HOLD ON. IS HE POSSIBLY ON A LAPTOP? OKAY. THERE WE GO. THERE WE GO. OH, GREAT. WE, WE CAN SEE YOU NOW. THANK. PERFECT. THANK YOU. PARDON MY TECHNOLOGY DELAY, SIR, YOU, YOU'RE MUTED NOW. OUT ONE ONE. OKAY. FAIRVIEW AVENUE. THAT'S PERFECT NOW. DALLAS, TEXAS. OKAY. WE CAN SEE AND HEAR YOU NOW. THANK YOU, SIR. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR. NOW WE CAN. OKAY. UH, MY NAME IS WOODROW WATTS, AUSTIN, JR. 3 3 1 1 FAIRVIEW AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS, 7 5 2 2 3 MEMBER OF ORANGEWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD OVER 30 YEARS. AND I FIRST OF ALL MAKE SURE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS KNOW THAT BETWEEN 90 AND 95% OF THE ORANGEWOOD RESIDENTS WE CONTACTED OR OPPOSED TO THE ZONING CHANGE, NEIGHBORS IN THE, IN THE ACTUAL AREA OF 24 ERS, BUT ALSO NEIGHBORS OUTSIDE THE AREA HAVE BEEN CONTACTED. UH, WE HAVE COVERED THREE, THREE MAIN REASONS THAT WE OPPOSE. ONE THE BEFORE DALLAS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS SEVERAL GOALS. THE ZONING CHAMBER REQUEST VIOLATES GOAL 5.1, POLICY 5.1 0.3, WHICH STATES ENCOURAGE ARY BUILDING HEIGHT, SCALE, DESIGN, AND CHARACTER. THIS REQUEST DOES NOT CONCUR WITH THE BUILDING HEIGHT OR SCALE OR DESIGN OR CHARACTER. THIS REQUEST FOR DUPLEXES THAT ARE CONFORMED TO HOUSES THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXIST AND ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET, THE HOUSES ARE CURRENTLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. ONE STORY ALSO NOTE THE DUPLEX OF NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S IN THE, IN THE REPORT FROM STAFF. THEY DIDN'T SAY THAT THERE WAS ALL IN VIOLATION OF PD NUMBER 1 3 6 AT THE TIME THEY WERE CONSTRUCTED. SEVERAL NEIGHBORS COMPLAINED , THE CITY CODE AND CODE IGNORED THE VIOLATIONS, THUS TWO PLACES WERE BUILT. SO YOU SEE WE HAVE A SITUATION RIGHT THERE WHERE PEOPLE IGNORED WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND THEN ON NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE THE ZONING CASE. C 2 2 3 DASH ONE SIX VIOLATES OH FIVE POLICY 5.1. THEY ENCOURAGE A WIDER RANGE OF WELL DESIGNED AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING TYPES OF RESPONSE TO MERCHANT HOME OWNERSHIP PREFERENCES. THIS DUPLEX WILL INCREASE THE PROPERTY VALUES IN ORANGEWOOD NEIGHBORHOODS TO RESULT IN A HIGHER PROPERTY TAXES. THIS WILL BE ADDITIONAL HARDSHIP FOR OUR OWEN WOOD. NEIGHBORS MAY FORCE SOME NEIGHBORS TO RELOCATE DUE TO THE HIGHER TAXES. AND NUMBER THREE, THE ZONING CASE VIOLATES THE PD NUMBER 1 3 6 REQUIRED 7,500 SQUARE FEET IN AREA PER STRUCTURE. STRUCTURE REQUESTED CORN LOT IS ONLY 6,777 SQUARE FEET IN THE AREA. IN ADDITION, REQUESTED CORN LOT IS ONLY 33 FEET AND WIDTH ON THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE. REQUIRED PD NUMBER 1 3 6 REQUIRES 40 FEET AND WIDTH ON THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE. ALL THE HOUSES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF FAIRVIEW AVENUE ARE ONE STORY STRUCTURE. AS I SAID EARLIER, POLLS CHANGE DOES ALTER EXISTING DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS OUTLINED PDD 1 36. THEREFORE WE REQUEST THE ZONING CASE Z 2 23 DASH 1 67 BE DENIED WITH CAUSE. AND WE BELIEVE THAT EACH PLANNED COMMISSIONER HAS THE BEST INTEREST FOR ALL DALLAS NEIGHBORHOODS FOR MAKING THESE DECISIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. HAVE A GREAT DAY. THANK YOU, SIR. PERFECT TIMING. UH, MS. I PER OUR RULES, YOU GET A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL. ARE YOU STILL ON? SHE STILL ON JORGE. SHE'S GOOD. MS. S IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. YES, WE CAN NOW. OKAY. OKAY. [03:20:01] BUT MAKE SURE YOUR, YOUR CAMERA'S ON. WE CAN'T SEE YOU YET. OH, CAMERA. UH, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE IT CAMERA A A ANYWAY, I THINK, UH, MAKE YOU, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY, MISS, WE, WE HAVE TO SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU PER STATE LAW. OH, OKAY. UM, HELLO. LET, LET ME TRY TO, HAVE YOU ALREADY SPOKEN? UM, NO, THEY DIDN'T CALL ME. I THINK. OH. OH, OKAY. I'M HERE. CAN YOU SEE ME? OH, YOU MIGHT SEE ME NOW. MR. AUSTIN, CAN YOU, CAN YOU MUTE YOUR, YOUR SYSTEM PLEASE? UH, CAN YOU SEE ME NOW? NO, MA'AM. CAN YOU SEE ME NOW? NO, MA'AM, NOT YET. OH. CAN YOU SEE ME NOW? NO, MA'AM. OKAY, THERE WE GO. WE'RE READY FOR YOU. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES, PLEASE. OKAY. UM, I THINK I MAY MAKE A, A SMALL U UNI. SMALLER UNI FOR THE IS NOT, UH, IT STILL IS. MAKE, UH, THE, THE REST MORE, UH, AFFORDABLE. YOU KNOW, BIG HOUSE, WERE NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO PURCHASE OR LEASE, BUT THE SMALLER, SMALLER HOME, YOU KNOW, IS MORE AFFORDABLE. SO IT, IT'S ANOTHER, UH, UH, AGAINST THE NEIGHBORHOOD RICH. I, I, I WAS THINKING TO BUT BUILD A, UH, TWO SMALL UNI NAME, UH, ONE BIGGER SINGLE HOUSE. SO I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, IT STILL MEET MATCH. YOUR GOAL COULD BE A AFFORDABLE NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. IT IS WHAT I WANT TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. THANK YOU. UM, MS. S UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. UH, AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING THAT YOU ATTENDED IN JANUARY. THERE WERE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED ABOUT THE SIZE AND THE SCALE OF THE, UM, OF THE, OF WHAT YOU WOULD BUILD ON THE SITE. UM, YOU ALL HAD REMOVED THE HOUSE PREVIOUSLY BECAUSE OF ISSUES. UM, WAS THAT ANYTHING THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO CONSIDER IN YOUR PLANS? UH, YES. THE NEIGHBOR, I, I, I, I, YOU KNOW, IN SIMILAR MANY YEARS, WE KEEP PAYING, UH, THE, UH, CITY CITATION BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD DUMP A LOT OF THE CHARGE IN MY PROPERTY EVERY MONTH. YOU KNOW, I JUST WISH I WANNA BUILD THE HOUSE, JUST WISH SOME MY PEOPLE THERE AND THIS KIND OF THING WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN. ANYWAY, UH, I LIKE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, SO, UH, I TRY TO, UH, MAKE MY EFFORT TO MAKE IT BETTER. IF YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T APPROVE IT. NOT OKAY TO ME. I JUST WALK AWAY. NO PROBLEM. I, I, I REALLY, UH, DON'T WANT TO FIGHT . OKAY. THANK, THANK YOU MS. SAI. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER FORESITE, PLEASE? UH, I HAVE A QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S, UH, WHO ANSWERS THIS QUESTION, BUT, UH, IN THE BRIEFING EARLIER TODAY AT, UH, DR. UH, UDRA SHOWED THAT THERE WAS ORIGINALLY A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THIS LOT. AND MY QUESTION IS, IS WHEN WAS THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOME TORN DOWN AND WHY? BECAUSE THE HOME HOMELESS PEOPLE IS OVER THERE AND, UH, WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH THE HOMELESS PEOPLE. SO MY HUSBAND JUST KILLED THE HUSBAND. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE SAID, SAID, COULD YOU, COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR ANSWER? WHEN WE, WHEN WE PURCHASE THIS POVERTY THERE, A SINGLE HOUSE ON THIS POVERTY, BUT BECAUSE THERE A LOT, THE HOMELESS PEOPLE, UH, WONDER ONLY [03:25:01] AROUND THIS PROPERTY. SO MY HUSBAND JUST CHILL, CHILL DOWN THE HOUSE AND, UH, UH, AND THEN RECENTLY, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF NEW BUILDING, NEW HOUSE IN THE AREA. SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE THINKING THAT'S JUST BUILD A HOUSE OVER THERE. IT'S VERY SIMPLE. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO IMPROVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT FINE TO US. I DO SAY IT, WALK AWAY. AND, AND MS. SFE, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR IT. I THINK COMMISSIONER FORSYTH'S QUESTION. YOU, YOU, YOU REMOVE THE HOUSE, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND BECAUSE YOU WERE HAVING ISSUES WITH HOMELESSNESS AND TRASH ON THE PROPERTY? YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. YES, YES. AND HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT? WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT GOOGLE COMMISSIONER FOR SAYING IT APPEARS THAT IT WAS 20 20 20 20 21. AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS, PLEASE, UH, CAN DR. ALREA CONFIRM THE STATEMENT THAT, UH, KAREN ROBERTS MADE THAT THE PD RULES SAY THAT, UH, THE, IF IF IF A HOME, IF A PROPERTY HAD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND IF IT'S, UH, TORN DOWN, THAT IT CAN ONLY BE REPLACED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME? IS THAT YES, THAT IS CORRECT. THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE MAP. YES. BUT THE BIG HOUSE RIGHT NOW IS, UH, IS NOT, NOT PARDON ME, MISS I, THAT THAT WASN'T A QUESTION FOR YOU. MY APOLOGIES. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, ARE WE ON CHRISTMAS FOR THE, UH, APPLICANT? FOR THE APPLICANT? YES. OKAY. SO, SO WAS IT, SO IT WASN'T TORE DOWN, THE PROPERTY WASN'T TORN DOWN BECAUSE IT WAS, AND I HAD A, OR WAS IT, DID IT HAVE CODE VIOLATIONS? IT WAS JUST BECAUSE THAT IT HAD TRASH AND HOMELESS LET, THERE'S A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE. THAT'S WHY WE JUST TEAR IT DOWN. SO WERE, IT IT WASN'T STRUCTURAL, IT WASN'T MAYBE NO, NO, NO. NOT BEFORE. THE STRUCTURE, THE STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OLD HOUSE, THE STRUCTURE IS PRETTY GOOD. AND, UH, WE JUST, IF YOU JUST MAKE A NEW, UH, INSTALL THE NEW ELECTRICITY, INSTALL NEW PLUMBER HOUSES WILL BE VERY GOOD. BUT BECAUSE IS, UH, HOMELESS PEOPLE IS ALWAYS A WRONG BAD AREA AT THAT TIME. WE, WE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH HOMELESS PEOPLE. SO WE JUST GO AND KILL THEM. OR IT DONE COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. CAN, CAN, CAN I ASK FOR CONFIRMATION THAT, UH, UH, MS. S SAID THAT THIS, THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WAS GOOD? DID I HEAR THAT IN HER ANSWER? THANK YOU. YES. BUT I NEED TO, UH, PUT, UH, A NEW PLUMBING, YOU KNOW, THE OLD HOUSE ELECTRICITY, ELECTRICITY IS, UH, NOT STRONG ENOUGH FOR THE NEW APPLIANCE. DOESN'T NEED NEW, NEW PLUMBING, NEW ELECTRIC. THE STRUCTURE IS PRETTY GOOD, BUT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH HOMELESS PEOPLE, NOT THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER HEMPTON. UM, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, DR. RE I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON A FEW ITEMS THAT WE COVERED, UM, DURING THE BRIEFING JUST SO THAT THEY'RE, UM, PART OF OUR RECORD. UM, IT'S CORRECT THAT WHEN THE PD WAS PUT IN PLACE, THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY INDUSTRIAL ZONING, EVEN THOUGH THE UNDERLYING LAND USES WERE RESIDENTIAL. I, I DON'T KNOW, LET ME, LET ME GET BACK ON THAT. I BELIEVE IT'S ON PAGE FOUR OF THE 1981 LAND USE ASSESSMENT. UM, IT STATES THAT IN 1965 ZONING CHANGE REQUESTS HAVE BEEN LOCATED MOSTLY IN SANTA FE AND PARKVIEW AREAS. IN [03:30:01] 1968, PARKVIEW WAS REZONED FROM R SEVEN FIVE TO INDUSTRIAL PERMITTING, ALMOST ALL NON-RESIDENTIAL USES. YEAH, THE, THE AREA PLAN DOESN'T OPEN FOR ME. I TRIED, I'M SORRY. IT'S A LARGE PILE. THANK YOU. UM, AND I JUST, I, I, I KNOW STAFF HAS THIS ON FILE, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS, UM, PART OF THE RECORD. I THINK WE ALSO DISCUSSED DURING THE BRIEFING THAT THE STANDARDS, UM, DEFAULT TO R SEVEN FIVE FOR BOTH DUPLEX AND, UM, SINGLE FAMILY USES. UM, BUT IS IT CORRECT THAT THAT IS A GREATER FOOTPRINT, UM, THAN WHAT EXISTS? UM, TYPICALLY WITHIN THE AREA? IT IS CORRECT TO SAY THAT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE PLACED IN THIS PD ALLOW BIGGER MASSING FOR BOTH SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEX. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, COMMISSIONER WHEELER. ARE THERE ANY DUPLEXES IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THIS? A TO THIS SITE? YES. COMMISSIONER WHEELER AND THE, THE BLOCK, THE BLOCK IS SPLIT BY AN ALLEY. SO IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY THERE ARE, UM, ENTITLED AND EXISTING DUPLEX USES. I CAN, YEAH, IF YOU WANT ME, I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN PLEASE. SO THIS IS AN AERIAL MAP WHERE I MARKED IN BETWEEN, I ADDED THE, THE CONSTRUCTION YEARS. AND THIS IS WHAT'S EXISTING WHERE YOU SEE THOSE DOTS IS WHERE THE DUPLEX EXISTS. AND THIS IS THE LAND USE MAP. AND YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED IS THE AREA OF REQUEST. AND IMMEDIATELY AT LEAST OUT OF IT IS TWO LAWS THAT ARE ENTITLED TO HAVE DUPLEXES. AND YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE HERE WITH ORANGE IS DUPLEX, UM, ENTITLEMENTS. AND THEN WHAT YOU SEE IN GRAY IS VACANT LAND THAT ALSO ALLOWED DUPLEX USES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER FORSYTH? BUT I'D LIKE THE CLARIFICATION AGAIN, IF WE PASS THIS, WE'RE GOING AGAINST THE RULES IN PD 31 36. RIGHT. UH, DIDN'T YOU, I UNDERSTAND YOU TO STATE THAT IF THE PROPERTY HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED AS SINGLE FAMILY, THAT ACCORDING TO THE PD RULES, WE HAD TO KEEP THAT PROPERTY AS SINGLE FAMILY. IS THAT NOT CORRECT? THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE ZONING CHANGE. LIKE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE REQUEST IS TO AMEND THE PD TO ALLOW A DUPLEX USE. THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION DOES WITH EVERY ZONING CASE, A REZONING. BUT, BUT WE'RE GOING AGAINST THE RULES THAT ARE IN THE PD IF WE DO THIS. IT'S NOT AGAINST, IT'S JUST AN AMENDMENT TO THE PD TO ALLOW THIS USE. IT'S NOT AGAINST THE RULES. IT'S AN AMENDMENT. THAT'S THE CORRECT ANSWER. AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE SAME EVERY ZONING CASE IT IS IN FRONT OF US EXCEPT AN SUP HAS AMENDMENTS. THAT'S, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF OUR REZONING. MR. RUBIN, I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE MULTIPLE CASES ON OUR, OUR DOCKET EVEN EVEN TODAY WHERE WE ARE ASKED TO AMEND PDS, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. SO I MEAN, IF WE ADOPT COMMISSIONER FORAYS FRAMING THAT, YOU KNOW, CHANGING A PD TO ALLOW SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY AROUND WOULD GO AGAINST THE PD, EVERY PD AMENDMENT WOULD QUOTE UNQUOTE GO AGAINST THE PD, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. TECHNICALLY COMM, ANY OTHER YES, COMMISSIONER? SURE. NOT. UM, DR. RE THERE WAS SOME, UH, TESTIMONY, UM, ABOUT THIS BEING SPOT ZONING. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU CAN COMMENT ON THAT IN YOUR AGREEMENT AS CASE JUST LEAD OFF TO THE ATTORNEYS TO HAVE THAT QUESTION. THAT TERMINOLOGY IS NOT A TERMINOLOGY THAT IS USED IN LAND USE OR IS UNDER THE DISCRETION OF THIS BODY. IT IS A LEGAL TERM THAT ONLY A COURT CAN DECIDE. AND I WOULD LET THE ATTORNEYS TO ADD SOME INFORMATION TO THAT. YEAH, WE DON'T REALLY ADDRESS SPOT ZONING AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, DR. RES RIGHT? THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING FOR A COURT TO DECIDE. I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT, UM, [03:35:01] THIS IS NOT A CHANGE IN USE. SO THE USE IS THE SAME RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DUPLEX. SO EVEN IF I AM TO ENTERTAIN A CONVERSATION AROUND WHAT'S GOING ON, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL USES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON MOTION PLEASE. YES, AND I'VE, UM, COMMENTS IF I HAVE A SECOND IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23 DASH 1 67, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOT FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT TO DI DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, UH, HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION. AND COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO THANK, UM, MS. S, UM, AND ALL THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE HERE TODAY. UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND THIS BODY ABOUT HOW WE THINK ABOUT OUR CITY AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW AND THE NEED FOR HOUSING. UM, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THESE OLDER, UM, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS. THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR IS SIGNIFICANT TO ME BECAUSE IT WAS TRYING TO RIGHT WRONG THAT THIS CITY IMPOSED ON THIS COMMUNITY AND MOVING FROM A HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT CELEBRATING ITS A HUNDRED AND SECOND ANNIVERSARY NEXT YEAR, THEY RECOGNIZE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GROW. THEY ARE EXPERIENCING SIGNIFICANT GENTRIFICATION PRESSURES. AND IT GIVES ME VERY GREAT PAUSE TO THINK ABOUT ACCELERATING THAT WITHOUT HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT STANDARDS THAT HELP MAINTAIN COMPATIBILITY. THAT IS THE NATURE OF MY REACHING OUT TO, UM, DR. RE EVEN BEFORE THIS REQUEST MADE IT TO THIS BODY. I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE CHANGE. I THINK IT'S HOW THAT CHANGE IS IMPLEMENTED IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HELPING THE COMMUNITY GROW AND FOSTER ITS MULTI-GENERATIONAL. UM, FOLKS WHO WE HEARD FROM MR. AUSTIN, WHO WAS HERE, WHO'S BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY FOR 30 YEARS, THIS IS AN ACTIVE AND ENGAGED COMMUNITY. THEY HAVE BENEFITED FROM COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANTS. THEY HAVE BENEFITED FROM HOMEOWNER INVESTMENT PROGRAMS THROUGH THE CITY. AND THIS REQUEST TO ME IS COUNTER TO WHAT THOSE INITIATIVES AND INVESTMENT IN OUR CITY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FOSTER. UM, I HOPE MY COMMISSIONERS WILL SUPPORT ME IN THIS REQUEST BECAUSE WE HAVE DUPLEXES HERE. DUPLEXES WILL CONTINUE TO BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. WE HEARD IN THE DISCUSSION THAT THERE ARE EXISTING VACANT LOTS THAT CAN ALSO BE REDEVELOPED WITH DUPLEXES. WE DISCUSSED IT, UM, RECENTLY AS WELL. I 30 IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO PUT DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES ON THIS COMMUNITY, AND IT'S ALSO A TREMENDOUS BENEFIT TO RECONNECT OWEN WOOD WITH EAST DALLAS AS IT HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN. I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS THE END OF THE CONVERSATION, AND I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY WANTS INVESTMENT. THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO GROW. UM, AND I HOPE YOU'LL SUPPORT ME ON THE REQUEST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOWLER, COMMISSIONER WHEELER. I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION. I THINK THAT THIS IS THE SAME CONVERSATION WE HAD NOT TOO LONG AGO ABOUT MOUNT AUBURN. IT'S A VERY SIMILAR COMMUNITY, UM, IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING STOCK AND THE PRESSURES THAT ARE BEING PUT ON IT. UM, AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE. NOT LONG AGO, WE HAD VERY SPECIFIC CONVERSATIONS AROUND THIS HORSESHOE ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF COMMUNITIES THAT WE WOULD TRY TO PROTECT, AND WE INCLUDED, UM, PDS THAT WERE COMMUNITY GROWN LIKE THIS ONE. AND WE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT PROTECTING OUR NATURALLY AFFORDABLE WORKING CLASS COMMUNITIES AND DEVELOPING WAYS TO DO THAT. AND WE HAVEN'T YET HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AND TAKEN THE TIME TO DO THAT. AND IF WE ALLOW THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THOSE COMMUNITIES BEFORE WE TAKE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, WE WILL LOSE THEM. WE WILL LOSE THOSE HISTORIC COMMUNITIES. WE'LL LOSE THOSE WORKING CLASS URBAN, UH, WORKING CLASS COMMUNITIES, UM, ENTIRELY BEFORE WE TAKE THOSE CH THOSE MAKE THOSE CHANGES. UM, AND I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE THROW THE WORDS EQUITY AROUND A LOT, BUT I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T THINK WE ALWAYS MEAN IT BECAUSE JUST LIKE WITH MOUNT AUBURN, IF WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING [03:40:01] THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT A LOT IN LAKEWOOD OR ON STRAIGHT LANE OR IN PRESTON HOLLOW, WE WOULDN'T EVEN CONSIDER IT. BUT WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND STAFF WILL RECOMMEND IT ALL DAY LONG IN PLACES LIKE MOUNT AUBURN OR OWEN WOOD OR OTHER PLACES LIKE THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE 40 WELL TO DO ANGRY PEOPLE SITTING DOWN HERE ALL DAY STARING AT US. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A COUPLE OF FIGHTERS WHO ARE TRYING THEIR BEST TO HOLD THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD TOGETHER. AND I JUST THINK THAT'S A SHAME. SO I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION AND I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY AROUND HERE, YOU KNOW, REALLY THINKS ABOUT WHAT OUR OBLIGATIONS ARE TO SOME OF THESE, UM, COMMUNITIES THAT CAN'T AFFORD TO FIGHT THE WAY SOME OF THE MORE AFFLUENT COMMUNITIES ARE AND WHAT EQUITY REALLY MEANS IN THIS CITY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHEELER. I, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION. UM, I AM THE, UH, WE ARE THEIR NEIGHBOR, UM, DIRECTLY CLOSEST TO THEM. AND THERE IS ROOM FOR DENSITY. BUT OUR SMALLER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE LANDLOCKED, WE HAVE TO BE, THEY'RE PRECIOUS COMMODITIES AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE PROTECTED. UM, THERE IS AREAS, UM, IN CLOSE PROXIMITY THAT COULD PROBABLY USE IT. HASKELL HIT YOU THOSE OUTSKIRTS, BUT THIS AREA, UM, GREW UP AND WENT TO CHURCH IN THIS AREA AT ONE POINT. AND SO, UM, AND THEN TO HEAR THAT A PERFECTLY, UM, GOOD HOUSE WAS TORE DOWN, UM, FOR NO OTHER REASON, BUT BECAUSE MAYBE HOMELESS OR SOME THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT DEFINITELY PLAYS A ROLE BECAUSE ONCE WE START SAYING YES TO HOUSES BEING TORE DOWN, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN REMODELED, IT REALLY, UM, TELLS DEVELOPERS THAT COMING INTO OUR, OUR, OUR WELL ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, THAT IS CLOSELY CONNECTED TO EACH OTHER AND SO MANY NEW NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T HAVE, HAVE THAT SAME KIND OF CONNECTION. UM, I, I DEFINITELY, UM, SUPPORT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON 100%, UM, SOUTH DALLAS, UH, I, I, EVERYTHING IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA FROM SOUTH DALLAS FOR PARK AREA ON WOOD, UM, JUBILEE IS, IS GREATLY BEING CHALLENGED WITH GENTRIFICATION AND BEING, UM, THAT THOSE, ESPECIALLY OUR, SOME OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE AGING IN PLACE, WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO BE THERE, THEIR GRANDCHILDREN TO COME TO INHERIT THOSE HOUSES, TO CONTINUE FAMILY AND SAY, THIS IS WHERE I PLAYED. THIS IS WHERE I LIVED, AND THIS IS WHERE I GREW UP AT. SO I 100% SUPPORT THAT, SUPPORT THIS COMMISSIONER FORSYTH. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SUPPORT, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S MOTION. ALL THE HOUSES ON FAIRVIEW ARE SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURES, AND THE NEIGHBORS ON THAT STREET OVERWHELMINGLY WANTED TO KE STAY THAT WAY. THEY'VE INDICATED 90% IN, IN, IN, IN SUPPORT OF KEEPING THAT LOT ZONED FOR R FIVE OR R SEVEN FIVE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. AND THE PD THAT THEY DEVELOPED IN 1981 SAYS THAT IF IT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME HAD BEEN ON THAT PROPERTY, AND IT'S TORN DOWN THAT IT MUST BE REDEVELOPED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT WAS IN THE PD. AND WE'RE GOING AGAINST THE SPIRIT OF THAT PD THAT THE NEIGHBORS DEVELOPED. AND I, I, I, I THINK COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, REAGAN JUST MADE A VERY IMPORTANT POINT THAT IF WE WERE TO ALLOW THIS, UH, AMENDMENT TO PASS, THAT WE'RE SETTING A BAD PRECEDENT BECAUSE WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING OR ENCOURAGING THAT, UH, AN OWNER CAN COME IN AND TEAR DOWN AN EXISTING AFFORDABLE STRUCTURE THAT IS STRUCTURALLY SOUND IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO US TO GET ZONING FOR MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT'S NOT A GOOD PRECEDENT. SO I I I, I JUST THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S MO UH, UH, MOTION TO DENY IS, IS APPROPRIATE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, VICE CHAIR RUB OUT. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, THESE ARE SOME OF THE HARDEST CASES THAT I, I THINK WE SEE HERE AT THE PLAN COMMISSION, BECAUSE NO DOUBT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, OWEN WOOD, MOUNT AUBURN AND, AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE IT ARE UNDER TREMENDOUS THREAT, UM, FROM OF GENTRIFICATION AND DISPLACEMENT. AND RIGHT NOW, THAT THREAT EXISTS UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING WHERE I, I SEE [03:45:01] IN MOUNT AUBURN, NOT ONLY THE DUPLEXES, BUT ALSO THE SINGLE FAMILY REDEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON THERE IS, IS OUT OF SCALE WITH THE EXISTING HOUSING THAT IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT, IT TOWERS OVER IT. AND IT'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE NOT ONLY IT'S INCOMPATIBILITY, BUT ALSO HOW IT, UM, IT, IT CONTRIBUTES TO GENTRIFICATION AND DISPLACEMENT BY INCREASING THE PROPERTY VALUES THERE. BUT I REALLY, I MEAN, AND, AND I APPLAUD COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR COMMITTING TO WORK WITH THESE NEIGHBORHOODS TO FIGURE OUT A LONG-TERM SOLUTION THROUGH THE ZONING TOOLS THAT WE HAVE. WHERE, I GUESS I HAVE SOME PAUSE AND I'M, I'M NOT SURE HOW I'M GONNA VOTE ON THIS ONE, IS THAT WE DO HAVE SOMEONE AT THE TABLE WHO, WHO WANTS TO, WHO WANTS TO DEVELOP IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, COULD TODAY DEVELOP A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT IS COMPLETELY OUT OF SCALE WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT RIGHT NOW, THIS BODY DOES HAVE LEVERAGE TO TRY TO NEGOTIATE SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS WITH THIS DEVELOPER TO GET A DUPLEX THAT MAY HAVE HEIGHT OR SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT IS MORE LIMITED AND IN KEEPING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WOULD CONTRIBUTE LESS TO THE, THE PROBLEMS THAT WOULD OCCUR IF, IF THERE WAS OUT OF SCALE SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. SO I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE NECESSARILY HITTING THE RIGHT SOLUTION HERE BY SIMPLY TELLING ANYONE IN THE INTERIM, UM, WHO, WHO COMES IN AND, AND REQUESTS TO BUILD A DUPLEX THAT, THAT, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA ENTERTAIN THEIR ZONING CHANGE BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA SEE SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT IS JUST AS PROBLEMATIC AS A DUPLEX, IF NOT MORE PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME LEVERAGE HERE RIGHT NOW TO NEGOTIATE WITH RESPECT, UM, TO WHAT WE WOULD GET OUT OF A DUPLEX PRODUCT HERE. UM, THE ONLY THING I'LL ADD IS ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON MADE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT HOW WE WOULD NEVER SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN LAKEWOOD OR, OR PARTS OF NORTH DALLAS. UM, AND, AND THAT DOES HIT CLOSE TO HOME FOR ME BECAUSE I LIVE A COUPLE NEIGHBORHOODS AWAY FROM MOUNT AUBURN, AND THERE'S A VERY NICE HOUSE BUILT IN 1940 THAT WAS ABOUT 1300 SQUARE FEET THAT WAS TORN DOWN A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, AND THE LOT WAS SCRAPED, AND THERE'S GONNA BE A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT GIANT HOME BUILT, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE DOORS DOWN TO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT THESE NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE LAKEWOOD AND OTHERS AND REALLY CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE DOING THERE? BY KEEPING THE ZONING AS IT IS, I THINK THE ONLY FAIR THING IS TO MAKE SURE THAT NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THAT AND NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE MINE ARE PART OF THE DISCUSSION, AND WE NEED TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR AS PLAN COMMISSIONERS AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO FACILITATE THOSE DISCUSSIONS IN THOSE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY MAY BE MORE QUOTE POLITICALLY POWERFUL. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE THINK THAT FOR THAT REASON, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR SINGLE FAMILY ZONING ISN'T VIOLENT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE. UM, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT WE AS A BODY WOULD HAVE THOSE HARDER CONVERSATIONS WITH ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ABOUT HOW DO WE ACCOMMODATE OUR GROWING HOUSING NEEDS AND NOT LET ANYONE OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I, I APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK ON THIS, UH, SO FAR. AND, UM, I'M QUITE CONFIDENT THAT THIS APPLICATION IS GO GOING TO BE DENIED. HOWEVER, I'M GONNA SPEAK, UH, AGAINST THE MOTION AS I'LL BE VOTING AGAINST THE MOTION. UM, THIS IS NOT A CHANGE IN USE, IT'S RESIDENTIAL TO RESIDENTIAL. UM, THE EXISTING PD ALLOWS A LARGER MASS ON THE LOT THAN IS WHAT IS TYPICAL THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THOSE WHO WROTE THIS PD UH, 40 YEARS AGO, UH, FELT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE. UM, IF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME WAS BUILT ON THIS LOT TODAY, IT WILL BE EXPENSIVE, IT WILL BE LARGE, AND IT WILL, UM, HAVE THE SAME SORT OF VALUE DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THAT STRUCTURE AND THE EXISTING, JUST LIKE A DUPLEX WOULD. SO THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY, THERE'S REALLY NO NO DIFFERENCE THERE. UM, I THINK THIS A VOTE, UH, TO DENY THIS APPLICATION IS A VOTE THAT IS A PREJUDICIAL AGAINST RENTERS. IT'S PREJUDICIAL AGAINST SMALLER UNITS. UM, AND WE TALK ABOUT THAT ALL DAY LONG. SO, I MEAN, WE, [03:50:01] WE, WE HAVE CRITICIZED THE, OUR COMMISSION HERE FROM VARIOUS POINTS OF VIEW. WELL, I WILL, I WILL CRITICIZE IT FROM THIS POINT OF VIEW THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PREJUDICE AGAINST RENTERS AND AGAINST SMALL UNITS. UM, I THINK IT'S UNREALISTIC TO THINK THAT, UM, A STRUCTURE BUILT TODAY IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE A STRUCTURE BUILT A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. UM, PERHAPS THERE'S SOME DESIGN, UM, UH, UH, PRINCIPLES, SOME, UH, DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT COULD BE ADDED TO OUR CODES. BUT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO BUILD A HUNDRED YEARS ON WHAT WE BUILT A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. IT'S JUST, THAT'S, I THINK IT'S UNREALISTIC. ON THE TOPIC OF LAKEWOOD AND CRES HOLLOW, UM, THERE ARE LARGE EXPANSES OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH NO DUPLEX IN THEM. MOUNT AUBURN AND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE ALWAYS HAD DUPLEXES IN THEM, AND THESE PDS CODIFIED THAT. UM, I THINK TO TO SAY THAT THE DUPLEX LOTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED 40 YEARS AGO IN THOSE PDS OR MORE, UH, STRUCK EXACTLY THE RIGHT BALANCE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, IS PRESUMING A LITTLE MUCH ON THOSE PDS, IN MY OPINION. UM, LASTLY, I'LL JUST SAY THAT, THAT THE, I'LL AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER RUBIN. THESE ARE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT CASES AND THEY, THEIR EMOTIONAL CASES. UM, I THINK WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IS THAT, UH, EITHER ONE OF TWO THINGS ARE GONNA NEED TO HAPPEN AND PERHAPS VOTE IS, UH, THE STATE LEGISLATURE'S GONNA TELL US WHAT WE DO IN CASES LIKE THIS. AND OUR CODE REFORM THAT'S COMING UP IS GOING TO, UH, I HOPE GIVE US MORE FLEXIBILITY IN, IN CASES LIKE THIS, BECAUSE, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT MAKING PROGRESS ON, ON HOUSING AND NEGOTIATING DEED RESTRICTIONS ONE AT A TIME ON LOTS IS NOT GONNA GET IT DONE. SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME, UH, STATE MY, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS. AND, UM, I WILL, UH, UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY REMARKS. THANKS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. UH, BEFORE WE GO TO SECOND ROUND, ANY OTHERS? YEAH, I'LL DO FIRST ROUND, PLEASE. I'LL BE QUICK. YEAH. UM, THIS IS, UM, AN ISSUE AS, AS JUST MENTIONED. UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THROUGHOUT THE FORD DALLAS CONVERSATION ABOUT CORNER LOTS AND WHERE THESE THINGS WOULD GO. I THINK A LOT OF NEIGHBORS EVEN AGREED ABOUT THAT. UM, BUT I, AT THE SAME TIME, WE ALSO AGREED TO PROTECT PDS AND ENSURE THAT ANYTHING BUILT IN THOSE, ON THOSE CORNER LOTS WOULD BE, UM, OF SCALE TO WHAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SO I'M, I'M INTERESTED TO LISTENING TO THE REST OF MY COLLEAGUES ON, ON THIS ONE. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, I WON'T TAKE A LOT OF TIME WITH MY COMMENTS, BUT I WILL BE VOTING IN SUPPORT OF COMMISSIONER, UH, HAMPTON'S MOTION, AND I DON'T THINK I CAN SAY IT BETTER THAN COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. WE JUST HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE, UNDERSTANDING THAT YES, THERE ARE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A HOUSING NEED AND THERE'S A DIRECTION OF THE, OF THE CITY, UH, TO INCREASE DENSITY, BUT THE THREAT OF GENTRIFICATION IS REAL. UH, WE'VE SEEN THE IMPACTS OF THAT, UH, NOT ONLY IN DALLAS, BUT IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES TOO. AND SO UNDERSTANDING THE RISK, I THINK THAT, UH, WE JUST HAVE TO BE, UH, WE DO SO HAVE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S RESPONSIBLE, UNDERSTANDING THE NEEDS OF THE, THE COMMUNITY AND, AND WHAT THEY WANT, AND FOR THOSE REASONS, OH, ADDITIONAL SECOND POINT. UM, WE ALSO HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'RE COMMUNITIES WITHIN DALLAS THAT DON'T HAVE THE SAME RESOURCES TO COME UP HERE TO STATE THEIR POSITION. I'M GLAD WE HAD A HAVE A FEW TODAY, UH, THAT CAME IN, IN, IN SUPPORT OF THIS MOTION, OR TO, UH, DENY, UH, DENY THIS REQUEST AND AS WELL AS THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS ON THE, UH, THE CALL EARLIER. BUT A LOT OF TIMES WE WON'T HAVE THAT LUXURY, AND WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT PEOPLE ARE, ARE DIFFERENTLY SITUATED. UH, THE ADVOCACY IS UNBALANCED, BUT WE CAN USE THE INFORMATION THAT'S AROUND US TO MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS. AND, UH, BASED ON EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID AROUND IN SUPPORT OF, OF COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S MOTION, I DID OWE THAT, AND I WILL BE IN SUPPORT OF IT. YES. COMMISSIONER NIGHTINGALE, I'LL FOLLOW YOU. YEAH, I'M, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS ONE. UM, I'M REALLY CONCERNED THAT IF WE DENY THEN WE'RE GONNA GET A GIANT HOUSE THAT IS JUST LESS AFFORDABLE THAN WHAT A DUPLEX WOULD BE. UM, BUT IF, [03:55:01] IF WE DO DENY, I HOPE THAT TIME WILL BE SPENT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THINKING THROUGH WHAT COULD GO HERE, WHAT SHOULD GO HERE AND MAKE IT MATCH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S LOOKING FOR, BUT ALSO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY A BIT MORE. SO, UM, YEAH, I'M, I'M STILL A LITTLE ON THE FENCE, UM, BUT I RESPECT EVERYONE WHO'S COME DOWN TO SPEAK ON THIS AND APPRECIATE THE VIEWPOINTS. UH, BEFORE WE GO TO SECOND ROUND, UH, I, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE STRANGE CASES THAT I AGREE WITH ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WERE, THAT WERE MADE ON BOTH SIDES. I THINK IT, UH, THESE ARE THE TOUGHEST CASES THAT WE DEAL WITH. UH, I THINK BECAUSE IT, IT PUTS US INTO CONFLICT WITH WHAT WE, WE BELIEVE IN TERMS OF, UH, THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL HOUSING, BUT ALSO, UM, THAT IT'S NECESSARY TO PROTECT SOME NEIGHBORHOODS FROM, FROM GETTING TURNED AROUND. AND I THINK FOR, FOR THIS CASE, AND THE REASON I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, UM, HAS TO DO WITH THE, THE ISSUE THAT COMMISSIONER WHEELER DRILLED DOWN ON. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT, THAT I TAKE A LOOK AT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T A, A LOT THAT'S BEEN VACANT FOR 30 YEARS. AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE. WE, YOU KNOW, WE OCCASIONALLY LOOK BACK AND SEE AT THE HISTORY OF THE LOTS AND IN MANY, MANY OF THE, THE CASES THAT I VOTE FOR ARE USUALLY FOR LOTS THAT HAVE BEEN VACANT FOR FOREVER 50 YEARS. THAT'S NOT THE CASE ON THIS ONE. AND I THINK IT DOES MATTER. IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. AND, AND FOR THAT REASON, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YES. UM, WHAT I'M FINDING IS IF WE'RE THAT ADDING UP ZONING, ADDING MORE DENSITY IN THESE AFFORDABLE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH NO RESTRICTIONS, NO DESIGN STANDARDS IS JUST A RECIPE FOR GENTRIFICATION. 'CAUSE WHILE, I MEAN, I HAVE LOTS OF NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THIS IN DISTRICT SIX, I HAVE DEVELOPERS COME TO ME, AND WHILE THERE MIGHT BE SOME DESIRE TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON SOME OF THESE LOTS, ALMOST ENTIRELY, THEY WANT TO GO DENSER. IF THEY CAN'T GO DENSER, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TOUCH THE LOT. AND, YOU KNOW, IF I COUNTER WITH AN ARGUMENT AS TO, YOU KNOW, THE VALUE OF THESE NATURALLY AFFORDABLE NEIGHBORHOODS, I HEAR THINGS LIKE, WELL, WOULDN'T YOU LIKE TO SEE THESE OLD TECHY HOUSES TORN DOWN? IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. IT REALLY ISN'T. AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I GOT OUTTA CLUB WAS THAT ONE OF THE, UM, UH, PRIORITY ITEMS WAS THAT WE SHOULD WORK AS A CITY ON COMING UP WITH DESIGN STANDARDS FOR INFILL, WHETHER IT'S, UM, SINGLE FAMILY OR, UH, DENSER THAT I THINK WOULD GO A LONG WAY TO HELP US WORK THROUGH THESE, THESE VERY, UH, COMPLEX SITUATIONS. BECAUSE I DON'T HEAR NEIGHBORHOODS SAY, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO STAY EXACTLY THE SAME. I HEAR THEM SAY, WE WILL ACCEPT, YOU KNOW, DUPLEXES IF THEY WILL BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING, UM, BUILT CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT HAS TO LOOK LIKE IT DID A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, BUT IT JUST HAS TO BE NOT COMPLETELY OUT OF SCALE. SO IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, I WILL BE, UM, SUPPORTING THE MOTION, AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN MOVE, UM, QUICKLY TO, UM, COMING UP WITH SOME STANDARDS THAT WOULD HELP US ADDRESS THESE KINDS OF ISSUES. BECAUSE IT, IT'S, WE'RE GOING TO JUST KEEP GETTING THEM OVER AND OVER AND OVER. SO THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS, BEFORE WE GO TO, OR WE'VE DONE TWO ROUND. OKAY. COMMISSIONER HALL. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I BELIEVE THAT I'M THE ONLY COMMISSIONER WHO HASN'T MADE A STATEMENT. AM I REQUIRED BY LAW TO MAKE A STATEMENT? ? NO, YOU'RE NOT . I WILL SAY THAT I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION. I, I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER, RIGHT? UM, IT, IT IS A DIFFICULT THING, BUT I, I, WE SELL, WE SELL PROPERTY TO PEOPLE AND THEN WE TELL 'EM WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO. AND THAT, THAT SORT OF IRKS ME. UM, BUT I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS. I THINK IT'S A FALSE EQUIVALENCY TO COMPARE THIS TO PRESTON HOLLOW. TWO DIFFERENT, ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS. HOUSES ARE BEING TORN DOWN IN DISTRICT 13 EVERY DAY, MULTIPLE HOUSES ALL THE TIME, 50, 60-YEAR-OLD HOUSES. BUT THEY'RE BEING REPLACED WITH BIGGER HOMES, MORE EXPENSIVE HOMES. UH, WE, CASES LIKE THIS JUST AREN'T GONNA COME UP IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND JUST FYI, WE DO HAVE DUPLEXES IN PRESTON HOLLOW. WE HAVE A WHOLE STREET OF DUPLEXES, DEL NORTE TELL, BUT THESE ARE BEING SOLD FOR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS A PIECE. RENTS ARE 14, $15,000 A MONTH FOR HALF A DUPLEX. SO IT'S, [04:00:01] IT'S NOT THE, IT'S NOT THE SAME KIND OF COMPARISON, BUT, UH, I JUST, I JUST DON'T LIKE SELLING PROPERTY TO PEOPLE AND THEN PUTTING A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO. I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. OKAY. SECOND ROUND. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE YOU, THERE ARE SOME TIMES THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, BUT ON THIS DAY I DO. UM, WE LOOKED AT WEST DALLAS AND WHAT WEST DALLAS LOOKS LIKE IS WHAT SOUTH DALLAS PY, OWEN WOOD, AND THESE OTHER AREAS COULD LOOK LIKE. BECAUSE THESE ARE LANDLOCKED, THIS COMMUNITY IS NOT GROWING OUTWARDS, NOT GROWING THIS WAY. IT IS LANDLOCKED, AND THIS IS ALL THEY HAVE. AND THE IDEA THAT THERE'S GONNA BE MORE AFFORDABLE. 'CAUSE THEY PUT A DUPLEX, I DON'T KNOW WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU ALL LIVE IN, BUT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY SELL A DUPLEX FOR THE SAME PRICE THAT THEY SELL A SINGLE FAMILY OWNED. SO THEY DOUBLE UP SO THAT, THAT, THAT CAR THAT IS GONNA BE MORE AFFORDABLE TO PUT A DUPLEX. NO. UM, AND MY GREATEST CAUSE FOR CONCERN IS THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT TORE DOWN A PERFECTLY GOOD HOME. SHE SET THE STRUCTURE WAS ROUND. UM, THEY REMODELED HOMES EVERY SINGLE DAY. UM, AND, AND ALSO, UM, I DON'T EVEN WANT TO CRY. I FEEL LIKE IT, IT, IT, IT GETS HIGHLY EMOTIONAL. UM, AND MAYBE I'M WRONG. DID THEY SAY THAT THE PD WAS CREATED FOUR YEARS AGO? 40. OH, 40. OKAY. 'CAUSE I WAS LIKE, OKAY. UM, AND MAYBE THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS TO GO BACK TO, TO, UM, LONG-TERM PLANNING AND ASK FOR SOME OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS. THANK GOD THAT SA UM, THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA PLAN HAS NOT CLOSED BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE SAW SOMETHING GOING ON IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE ASKED FOR SOME MORE IN OUR AREA PLAN. AND THE ONE THING THAT WAS SOLID THAT THE LAST THING THAT WE ASKED FOR WAS, WE NEED A DESIGN STANDARDS. AND THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS WILL HELP US WITH NOT HAVING GROSS INCOMPATIBLE HOUSING. UM, THE TOOL KITS. AND WHEN WE GO TO TALKING ABOUT IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN AREAS NORTH OF, OF 30, 30 IS 100%, BECAUSE GUESS WHAT? THEY HAVE TWO KIDS. THEY HAVE UNDERSTANDING AND IT HAS THE EDUCATION TO KNOW WHAT THEY CAN AND WHAT THEY WANT, HOW TO GET WHAT THEY WANT, AND HOW TO PROTECT WHAT THEY HAVE. AND IF THEY DIDN'T WANT GROSS AND COMPATIBLE HOUSING TRUST AND BELIEVE THEY HAD A FINANCIAL SUPPORT TO BE ABLE TO GO IN, HIRE WHOEVER THEY NEED TO, TO COME REPRESENT THEMSELVES WITH PUD OR IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, WE DON'T HAVE THAT FUNDING. UM, WE DON'T HAVE WHERE WE CAN JUST STRIKE OUT AND GO PAY FOR THE MONEY AND SAY, WE WANNA DO THESE CHANGES. WE HAVE TO WAIT AND HOPE THAT OUR COUNCIL MEMBER SETS UP A, A AREA PLAN THAT WE CAN ASK FOR EVERYTHING WE USE. I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GONNA TAKE FIVE YEARS. I'M STILL IN THE MIDDLE OF AN AREA PLAN FIVE YEARS LATER AND HOPE THAT CITY STAFF IS GONNA ALLOW, USE WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THOSE FIVE YEARS TO SUPPORT THE CHANGE IN OUR PD FIVE YEARS FROM NOW. DALLAS ISN'T GETTING LANDLOCKED AND WE HAVE TO PROTECT THOSE OLDER COMMUNITIES. VARIOUS IS AREAS, RIGHT? THERE IS AREAS IN OWING WOOD ON THE OUTSKIRTS. LET'S TALK ABOUT HASKELL AND FIT YOU AND THOSE AREAS THAT WE CAN SEE SOME DENSITY. BUT LET'S NOT, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S NOT, UM, LOOK AT OUR OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS AND, AND LOOK AT THEM AND, AND THINK THAT THEY'RE NOT TO BE SUPPORTED AND THEY'RE NOT TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. AND THEN WE GO TO TALKING ABOUT, YOU SAY, YES, SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR WHO, WHAT ABOUT OUR AGING IN PLACE? WHAT ABOUT OUR YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING UP? THE YOUNG LADY SAID THAT SHE WANTED TO BUY A NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE, WANTED TO BUY A HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHE GREW UP IN, AND IT'S ALREADY TOO HIGH. YOU HAVE TO THINK OF ALL THOSE THINGS. AND LET'S NOT ACT LIKE THERE IS NOT A TALE OF TWO CITIES IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. IT IS SOUTH OF 30 GETS, UH, AND IT'S NORTH OF 30, HAS THE MONEY TO GET WHATEVER THEY WANT. AND IF THEY, IF A HOUSE IN, IN, IN, UM, PRESTON HOLLOW IN THOSE AREAS, IF THEY DIDN'T WANT THOSE TYPE OF HOUSES, TRUST, AND BELIEVE ME, THAT THERE'S ENOUGH MONEY FLOATING AROUND IN THOSE AREAS TO HIRE A CONSULTANT. THE COUNCIL MEMBER KNOWS IF THEY DON'T WANT SOMETHING, UM, MY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS TO FIGHT WITH US FIRST JUST FOR THE SMALL THINGS THAT'S ON. IF WE WANT SOMETHING BIG AND, AND, AND TRYING TO SATISFY ALL OUR NEEDS. WE HAVE A THOUSAND WANTS AND NEEDS THAT WE NEED NOW. SO I CAN'T, I COULDN'T, I CAN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS LAND LOCKED COMMUNITY. THIS IS A LAND LOCKED COMMUNITY. LITERALLY HAVE FOUR BORDERS. THEY HAVE SOME INDUSTRIAL USE AROUND CHANGE THE INDUSTRIAL USE ON THE OUTSKIRTS ON BERRY STREET. [04:05:01] THOSE PUT SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING, PUT SOMETHING THERE. BUT LET'S NOT, NOT DO, LET'S NOT, LET'S NOT PLAY LIKE THIS AIN'T SOUTH OF 30. AND JUST 'CAUSE THE REPRESENTATIVES, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY LOOK LIKE THEY, I THOUGHT MAYBE THEY WAS RICH. I DIDN'T KNOW WHO THEY WERE HERE FOR. BUT ONCE I HEARD, WE HAVE PEOPLE IN SOUTH OF 30 THAT NEED SUPPORT AND THESE COMMUNITIES JUST THROW AWAY. DALLAS, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, UH, COMMISSIONERS IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 1 67, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AND DENY THE APPLICATION WITHOUT PREJUDICE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MAY WE HAVE, UH, HOUSE, RIGHT? SURE. NOT HALL. ANYBODY ELSE? MOTION PASSES. PARDON ME? UH, SLEEPER. THAT'S FOREIGN OPPOSITION. MOTION PASSES. UH, 10 19. LET'S TAKE AN 11 MINUTE BREAK. COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA GET BACK ON THE RECORD. FIVE, SIX. IT'S BEEN A WHILE. WE NEED TWO MORE COMMISSIONERS. CALLING COMMISSIONERS. WE NEED TWO MORE. OH, WE GOT ONE ONLINE. AND WE GOT THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HARBERT. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT COMMISSIONERS. IT IS 2 31. WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD. MOVING [9. 25-689A An application for an amendment to Planned Development District No. 143, on the northwest corner of IH-635 and Valley View Lane.] ON TO CASE NUMBER NINE. HI, UH, MR. CHAIR? YES, THANK YOU. CAN YOU HEAR ME? ? WE CAN. OH, OKAY. HI, MR. CHAIR AND, UM, COMMISSIONERS, UH, NUMBER NINE IS, UM, UH, ON THE AGENDA AS 2 5 6 8 9 A IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 43 ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF INTERSTATE 6 35 AND VALLEY VIEW LANE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONER NIGHTINGALE, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD Z 2 3 4 DASH 2 71 UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MARCH 6TH. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER NGEL FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES [7. 25-687A An application for an MF-2(A) Multifamily District on property zoned a CR Community Retail District, on the north line of John West Road, west of the intersection of La Prada Drive and John West Road.] HAVE IT. AND WE'LL GO BACK TO NUMBER SEVEN PLEASE. OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS AN APPLICATION FOR A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF JOHN WEST ROAD, WEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF LA ADA DRIVE AND JOHN WEST ROAD. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. THANK YOU. UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, THE APPLICANT? YEAH, IT'S GONNA GET HELD. COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING IT? IS THAT THE APPLICANT? SIR? DID YOU WANNA SPEAK ON YOUR CASE? YEAH, I CAN. OKAY. CAREFUL, THOSE STAIRS ARE STEEP. YOU, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO TURN ON THE MICROPHONE. THERE'S A LITTLE BUTTON THERE. PERFECT. THANK YOU. NOT YET. YEP, IT'S PERFECT. UM, SO THIS PROPERTIES, UH, ON THE CORNER OF, UH, JOHN WASTE AND LAB PRADA. IT'S, UH, ABOUT, UH, 3.2 ACRES LOT AND PORTION OF IT, UM, JOINED MULTIFAMILY [04:10:02] AND PORTION IS JOINED COMMERCIAL SIERRA. SO OUR GOAL IS TO CONVERT IT TO MULTIFAMILY M TWO AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND MEETING THE COMMUNITY LEADERS AND WE SHOWED THEM OUR PLANS THAT WHAT WE WANT TO DO, LIKE WE ARE AND TODAY RECOMMENDED TO BUILD CONDOS OR TOWN HOMES AND WE AGREED TO THAT AND THAT'S WHAT WE PLAN TO DO. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU SIR. COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? I DO IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34 DASH FOUR IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34 DASH 3 23. I MOVED TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, UM, UNTIL MARCH 6TH. UM, AND I HAVE, WE HAVE A SECOND ITEM COMMENT. YOU DO HAVE A SECOND. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION COMMENTS. UM, WE, WE ARE ONLY MR. CON. ARE YOU MR. CONN? YES. WE ARE ONLY HOLDING IT BECAUSE THE INFORMATION THAT WE GOT FROM, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, WHICH IS FERGUSON ROAD INITIATIVE, THE COALITION OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, WE DIDN'T GET THAT TILL LAST NIGHT. MM-HMM . AND SO WE'RE HOLDING IT TO ONE MORE MEETING SO THAT ME AND UM, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON CAN SPEAK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND ALSO SPEAK WITH YOU SO THAT WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE MAKE THIS DECISION THAT IT IS DEFINITELY, UM, UM, WE DID GET SOME EMAILS THAT, UM, FROM MS. VICKY THIS MORNING. SO, BUT WE WANT, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT YOU ALL CAME UP WITH. SO IF YOU CAN HOLD FOR ONE MORE MEETING. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU SIR. OKAY, THANK YOU. [11. 25-691A An application for a CS Commercial Service District on property zoned a CR Community Retail District and an IR Industrial Research District, on the southeast line of Burbank Street, between Thurston Street and Denton Drive.] WE MOVE TO CASE NUMBER 11. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 11 KC 2 34 DASH THREE 40, AN APPLICATION FOR A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT, AND AN IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF BURBANK, BURBANK STREET BETWEEN THURSTON STREET AND DENTON DRIVE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. THANK YOU SIR. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? I DO. I HAVE BRIEF COMMENTS IF I HAVE A SECOND IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 DASH 3 4 0 I MOVE TO LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MARCH THE 20TH. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS. THANK YOU. UM, WE'RE HOLDING THIS TO ALLOW FOR A COMMUNITY MEETING. UM, MR. BALDWIN HAD REACHED OUT TO ME, UM, AND WE GOT THAT SCHEDULED FOR ACTUALLY A WEEK FROM NOW. THERE'S SOME RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCIES, UM, RELATED TO THIS AND I THINK, UM, ALLOWING THE COMMUNITY TIME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE REQUEST IS AND THE INTENSITY OF IT IS IMPORTANT. SO HOPE WE'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. HE AND ANY OTHER COMMENTS? AND NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. [12. 25-692A An application for a new subarea on property zoned Subarea 11 within Planned Development District No. 298, the Bryan Area Special Purpose District, on the northwest line of Swiss Avenue, between Oak Street and Liberty Street.] GO TO CASE NUMBER 12. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAS A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM AND HAS STEPPED OUT OF THE CHAMBER. GOOD AFTERNOON. ITEM 12 IS CASE, UH, Z 2 34 DASH 307. AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUB AREA ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA 11 WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 2 9 8. THE BRYAN AREA SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST LINE OF SWISS AVENUE BETWEEN OAK STREET AND LIBERTY STREET STAFF. RECOMMENDATIONS, APPROVAL SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT PLANNING CONDITIONS. THANK YOU. NOPE. THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND IS HERE FOR QUESTIONS. UH, ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? ITEM NUMBER 12, COMMISSION QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 DASH 3 1 7? I MOVE THAT WE, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE MATTER SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS. THANK [04:15:01] YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY COMMENTS? SEE NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, SIR. I LET THE RECORD AFFECT THAT. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER IS BACK IN THE [14. 25-694A An application for 1) an IM Industrial Manufacturing District, and 2) a specific use permit for an industrial outside potentially incompatible industrial use limited to concrete or asphalt batching, on northeast corner of Spangler Road and Mariana Drive.] CHAMBER AND MOVE TO CASE NUMBER 14. ITEM NUMBER 14, A APPLICATION FOR ONE A AND IM INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURED DISTRICT AND TWO, A PACIFIC USE PERMIT FOR INDUSTRIAL OUTSIDE POTENTIALLY INCOMPATIBLE INDUSTRIAL USE. LIMIT TWO CONCRETE AND ASPHALT BATCHING ON THE NORTH CORNER OF SLINGER ROAD AND MANANA DRIVE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU MS. BLUE. IS THERE, UH, APPLICANT HERE OR ANYONE IN SUPPORT? I WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM. IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN SUPPORT FOR THIS ITEM? THIS IS NUMBER 14. OKAY, WE'RE READY FOR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. UH, TIM DICKEY, 31 34 LOCK MOORE LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 0. I'M THE PARK BOARD REPRESENTATIVE FOR DISTRICT SIX WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY FIRST I'M IN OPPOSITION AND UH, THE BEST WAY TO STATE IS TO JUST QUOTE WHAT OUR PARK STAFF HAD TO SAY ON THE ZONING REVIEW COMMENT SHEET WHEN THEY RECOMMENDED DENIAL. UH, THIS PROPOSED CONCRETE BATCH PLANT IS IN THE MONEYGRAM SOCCER PARK VICINITY. CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS POSE A HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE RISK FOR VISITORS TO PARKS. THE APPLICANT DOES NOT PROPOSE HEALTH OR SAFETY MEASURES AND EVEN FACILITIES WITH SUCH MEASURES IN PARK DEPARTMENT'S EXPERIENCE. WE HAVE FOUND THAT IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO MITIGATE SUCH OPERATIONS TO A SATISFACTORY LEVEL TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC'S HEALTH WHILE USING SUCH NEARBY PARK FACILITIES. THIS APPLICANT IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO A HUNDRED THIRTY FOUR SEVEN ACRE, UH, ELM FORT SOCCER AND ATHLETIC COMPLEX. AND IN TERMS OF NOT BEING ABLE TO MITIGATE JUST TODAY, I GOT SOME STATISTICS 'CAUSE WE HAVE AN AIR QUALITY MONITOR AT MONEYGRAM. AND JUST IN THE FOUR MONTH PERIOD FROM OCTOBER OF 24 TO FEBRUARY OF 2025, THERE WERE 54 EXCEEDANCES OF EPA RECOMMENDED PARTICULATE LEVELS AT OUR MONEYGRAM SOCCER PARK. NOW IT JUST HAPPENS THAT BEFORE CCAP WAS PASSED BY THE COUNCIL, THERE'S A MASSIVE CONCRETE BATCH PLANT RIGHT NEXT TO OUR SOCCER PARK. NOW THAT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE. THIS ONE WOULD BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE. JUST COMPOUNDING THIS PROBLEM, AND I'LL JUST GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THE, UH, EXTENT OF IT. AND ONE DAY, DECEMBER 24TH, 2024, THERE WAS AN EXCEEDANCE OF PARTICULATES READING 1,336. THE EPA RECOMMENDED LIMIT IS 150. SO I KNOW THAT AT LEAST ONE MEMBER OF THIS BODY IS AN AVID SOCCER PLAYER. AND IMAGINE BEING AT MONEYGRAM, OUR KIDS, THOUSANDS OF KIDS RIGHT NEXT TO A CONCRETE BATCH PLANT. UM, WHEN IT COMES TO CCAP, UM, IN THE CASE REPORT, THE STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL UNDER CCA BECAUSE IT WOULD ENSURE NEW INDUSTRIES ARE IN AN APPROPRIATE DISTANCE AWAY FROM NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH THIS IS. BUT SEE, THIS IS THE ONGOING PROB THE BIG PROBLEM IS THERE'S NOT BEEN, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYBODY'S FAULT, BUT THERE'S NEVER BEEN A CONSIDERATION OF THE IMPACT ON OUR PARK PROPERTIES, ESPECIALLY OUR OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL AREAS WHERE PEOPLE ARE RUNNING, PLAYING GOLF, ET CETERA, IN THIS, THIS SOCCER PARK. UM, IT'S JUST COMPLETELY INCOMPATIBLE. AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE REASON FOR THE SUP IS [04:20:01] THIS COM POTENTIAL INCOMPATIBILITY. THANK YOU. YOUR TIME IS UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. PLEASE STAND BY. THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. UH, RUDY KARIMI 62 14 GD DISTRICT 14. I'M HERE WITH MY DALLAS PARK BOARD REPRESENTATIVE COLLEAGUE, UH, MR. TIM DICKEY, UH, TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. ALSO IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROPOSED CONCRETE ASPHALT BATCH PLANT ADJACENT TO THE ELM FORK ATHLETIC COMPLEX, WHICH AS YOU HEARD, WHICH WOULD SIM UH, SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THOUSANDS OF VISITORS IN SOME CASES UP TO 10 X THE EPAS LIMIT FOR HEALTH, HEALTHY AIR QUALITY. UH, WHILE STAFF SUPPORTS THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, I WANNA HIGHLIGHT SOME CRITICAL CONCERNS. UH, THIS PROPOSED PLANT WOULD BE LOCATED IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO THE 10 ACRE PARK PLOT, INCREASING HEALTH RISK FOR ATHLETES, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN WHO FREQUENT THIS $30 MILLION SOCCER COMPLEX INVESTMENT BY THE CITY OF DALLAS. CEMENT DUST IS ALSO KNOWN, UH, HEALTH HAZARD CAUSING RESPIRATORY ISSUES. I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT. UH, AND EVEN CANCER, OUR KIDS WILL BREATHE THIS DANGEROUS, UH, PARTICULATES WHILE PLAYING SOCCER. SOMETHING THAT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN OVERLOOKED IN THIS PROPOSAL. UH, HISTORICALLY, THESE PLANTS HAVE BEEN PLACED FAR FROM RESIDENTIAL AREAS. UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, BUT THE HEALTH RISKS TO CHILDREN IN ACT ACTIVE RECREATIONAL SPACES HAVE NOT BEEN ADEQUATELY CONSIDERED. THE ISSUE ISN'T JUST ABOUT THE LACK OF NEARBY RESIDENTS, IT'S ALSO THE INCOMP, THE INCOMPATIBILITY OF A CONCRETE PLANT NEXT TO THESE ATHLETIC FACILITIES. WE URGE YOU TO RECONSIDER AND CONSIDER THE WELLBEING OF OUR COMMUNITY AND DENY THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. GOOD AFTERNOON. HELLO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UM, WILLINGNESS TO SERVE ON THIS COMMISSION. IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT COMMISSION FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS. MY NAME IS GARRETT BOONE. I LIVE AT 24 17 LOVING AVENUE. I'M INVOLVED IN A LOT OF CONSERVATION PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, INTIMATELY INVOLVED WITH THE ELM FORK AREA. I KNOW THE LUNAR ROAD AREA AND I KNOW THE ELM FORK AREA. I AM ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO THIS, THIS PROPOSAL FOR THIS, THIS PATCH, UH, CONCRETE AND ASPHALT PLANT. UM, THE NUMBERS THAT THAT TIM TOLD YOU, OR EVEN MORE SHOCKING, WE CONSIDER THESE WERE TAKEN IN THE MOST BENIGN TIME OF THE YEAR FOR POLLUTION IN DECEMBER. YOU COULD TAKE IT, IF YOU TAKE IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER, THOSE FIGURES ARE GONNA BE DRAMATICALLY HIGHER. IT IS JUST, I MEAN, I COULD KICK MYSELF BEING INVOLVED IN THIS AREA FOR SO LONG AND NOT THINKING ABOUT HAVING MONITORS THERE UNTIL ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO. WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE PLAYING WITH BEFORE WE PERMIT ANY FURTHER BATCH, CONCRETE OR ASPHALT PLANT IN THIS AREA. IT IS I RESPONSIBLE FOR US TO NOT DO THAT. AND LET ME GIVE YOU A NOTICE SCENARIO THAT CAN EVEN MAKE THIS MORE IMPORTANT, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE ISSUE OF RAISING, UH, BUSINESSES OUT, BATCH CONCRETE, CONCRETE PLANTS OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN OR RAISING WAREHOUSES OUTTA THE FLOODPLAIN. IT IS CONNECTED TO THAT BECAUSE THE CONTINUED COVERING OF THE ELM FORK FLOOD RELIEF AREA, THE FLOODPLAIN IN IMPERMEABLE SERVICES IN RAISED, UH, PADS FOR, UH, BUSINESSES, IS BASICALLY TAKING AWAY THE SAFETY VALVE FOR THE STORM WATER THAT'S COMING DOWN AND INCREASING AMOUNTS FROM THE NORTHERN DEVELOPMENT. THERE. THERE IS MORE THERE, BUT WE'RE GIVING UP OUR ABILITY TO ABSORB THAT. AND THERE IS EVIDENCE NOW SINCE I'VE BEEN WORKING IN THAT AREA FOR ALMOST 12 YEARS IN THE LAST, DURING THE, MAYBE SIX YEARS AGO WHEN THESE BATCH CONCRETE PLANTS BEGIN COMING IN, THE ELM FORK STARTED FLOOD COMING OUT AS FLOODPLAIN ALL THE TIME. AND IT DID NOT DO THAT BEFORE. IF IT CONTINUES TO DO THAT, AND IT WILL DO, IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING TO, IT WILL KILL, IT WILL DESTROY THE ELM FORK ECOSYSTEM, DESTROY, I MEAN, KILL ALL THE TREES. AND IF YOU DO THAT, THEN THIS TOXICITY COMING FROM THESE PLANTS WOULD BE MULTIPLIED MINI POOR BECAUSE THOSE TREES ABSORB A LOT OF TOXINS. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT. THANK YOU. YOU, SIR. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? MR. DICKEY? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR. MR. YES, SIR. SORRY, I'VE GOT A BAD KNEE. I GOTTA DO THE ONE THING. OH, YOU'RE FINE. UH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION. UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE THREE MINUTES GO BY REALLY FAST AND YOU, YOU THREW A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT AT US. I'M, I'M HOPING YOU COULD GO BACK A LITTLE BIT AND GIVE US A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT ABOUT [04:25:01] THE ADJACENCY ISSUE HERE. OKAY, YES. UM, THE, THE, THERE IS A PLANT THERE THAT WENT IN BEFORE WE HAD CCAP. AND I DON'T THINK THERE WAS AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE AB THE IMPACT ON OUR KIDS. THIS ONE, THIS THERE AT THE MONEYGRAM SOCCER PARK ITSELF, THERE ARE 19 WORLD CLASS SOCCER FIELDS. IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO THAT IS PART OF THE COMPLEX. AND IT'S ON D AD IT'S PART OF THE COMPLEX. THERE'S ABOUT 10 ACRES. IT'S UNDEVELOPED. AND AS RECENTLY AS THE LAST BOND DISCUSSION, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLY EXPANDING MONEYGRAM OR DEVELOPING THAT INTO ANOTHER KIND OF OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL AREA. THAT PLOT IS IMMEDIATELY, IF YOU'RE ON THE, WHERE THE, UH, PROPOSED BATCH PLANT IS, THERE'S A-B-N-S-F RAIL LINE. AND RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT RAIL LINE IS WHERE THAT UNDEVELOPED 10 ACRES IS. AND THEN JUST A FEW HUNDRED YARDS BEYOND THAT IS OUR MONEYGRAM SOCCER COMPLEX. SO IF THIS PASSES, WE'D BE BRACKETING TWO WITH TWO BATCH PLANTS IN THIS AREA, UH, WHERE OUR KIDS, THOUSANDS OF KIDS ARE RUNNING AND PLAYING AND BREATHING. AND I GUESS THE, THE THING THAT'S KIND OF, I THINK GOING FORWARD, IF I COULD SAY ANY ONE THING, IT'S THAT I THINK HISTORICALLY IT'S BEEN, AND IF YOU LOOK AT CCA IT, IT'S TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY, WHICH IS TRUE, BUT THERE'S NEVER REALLY THE FACTOR OF THE PARK ADJACENCIES NEVER REALLY BEEN CONSIDERED. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ANYBODY'S FAULT, IT'S JUST A FACT. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR THINKING, ESPECIALLY ON THESE NEXT TO OUR OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL PARK PROPERTIES. THERE ARE OTHERS IN THE AREA, THIS ONE INCLUDED. SO I THINK I WOULD JUST BEG GOING FORWARD, WE CAN'T, IT'S UNSUSTAINABLE LONG TERM. UM, SO IF THERE, IF WE CAN FACTOR IN THIS PARK ADJACENCY IN ADDITION TO RESIDENTIAL 'CAUSE NO, THERE AREN'T RESIDENTS NEAR THERE. WE JUST HAVE THOUSANDS OF KIDS PLAYING SOCCER. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHEELER? NO, GO AWAY. HOW LONG HAS THIS PARK BEEN HERE? PARDON? HOW LONG HAS THIS SOCCER PARK BEEN HERE? MONEY GROUND HAS BEEN THERE ABOUT 10 YEARS. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CHERLOCK FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YOU HAD MENTIONED, UM, SOME READINGS ABOUT PARTICULATE MATTER. WAS THAT A INDEPENDENT STUDY THAT WAS DONE OR SOMETHING? YES. HOW DID YOU GET THAT INFORMATION? THOSE, THOSE STATISTICS CAME FROM THE OFFICE OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY. THERE MAY BE SOMEONE FROM OEQ HERE, BUT I JUST GOT THOSE THIS AFTERNOON. UH, THE, THEY'RE THE MOST RECENT READINGS FROM THE MONEYGRAM MONITOR THERE. SO WE DO HAVE AN AIR QUALITY MONITOR AT MONEYGRAM, AND THAT'S WHERE THESE STATISTICS COME FROM. THEY'RE, THEY'RE EXCEEDANCES AND THEY, THEY'RE NOT VIOLATIONS, UH, BUT THEY'RE TECHNICALLY, BUT THEY EXCEED THE EPA RECOMMENDED LEVEL OF PARTICULATES. SO WHY DID IT SPIKE SO HIGH IN DECEMBER? WAS THERE SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE BATCH PLAN DID THAT TRIGGERED THAT? GOOD QUESTION. I DO NOT KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ONE READING, WHAT CAUSED IT. UM, AND I'D LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THE SUMMERTIME READINGS, BUT WE, I REQUESTED THIS INFORMATION A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND THEY WERE JUST ABLE TO GET IT TO ME. NOW WE'RE GONNA KNOW MORE IN THE FUTURE. WE ALSO HAVE, UM, A NEW MONITOR, UH, AT THE GOLF COURSE ON LUNA VISTA, AT LUNA VISTA GOLF COURSE, WHICH IS ON LUNA ROAD RIGHT ACROSS FROM A COL UH, UH, AN AGGLOMERATION OF BATCH PLANTS. AND THOSE READINGS, I DIDN'T BRING THEM DOWN HERE, BUT THOSE, AND WE'VE HAD THREE WEEKS OF READINGS THERE. AND THE, UH, EXCEEDANCES THERE WERE LIKE 50 EXCEEDANCES IN A THREE WEEK PERIOD. AND THAT'S IN THE WINTER. SO THIS IS NOT THE SAME LOCATION, BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA FIND WHEN OUR LUNA VISTA NUMBERS COME IN, ESPECIALLY IN THE SUMMER, WE'RE GONNA FIND THERE'S AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF PARTICULATES THAT THAT, THAT ARE COMING OUT FROM THESE, FROM THE BATCH PLANTS AND IT'S INDUSTRIAL ZONED. SO THERE IS THE ZONING, IT'S THE EXCEPTIONS, THE SUVS FOR, FOR THIS POTENTIALLY INCOMPATIBLE. AND I SAY IT'S ABSOLUTELY INCOMPATIBLE, NO QUESTION, IN MY OPINION. CAN, CAN ANYONE THE, UH, STAFF SPEAK MORE TO THAT? 'CAUSE I MEAN, THOSE ARE ALARMING NUMBERS, BUT I ALWAYS WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REALLY TYING IT TO THE BATCH PLAN AND MAYBE NOT SOME OTHER CONDITION. JUST DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT? MR. DICKEY, I NOTICED YOU'RE READING OFF, UH, PRINTOUT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SUBMIT THAT PRINTOUT BUT KNOW THAT WE HAVE [04:30:01] TO KEEP IT AND IT'LL BE PART OF THE RECORD. I WILL SUBMIT IT, PLEASE. I'LL, I'LL BRING IT DOWN PLEASE. THANK YOU. UM, MAYBE SOMEONE FROM STAFF WILL. YEAH, DON'T GO AWAY. MR. DICKEY. UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UM, FROM MEETING QUESTION, PLEASE. YES, YES. MR. DICKEY. COULD COULD YOU SHARE WITH ME WHAT WAS, UM, WHAT I HEARD DURING THE MEETING WE HAD A FEW MONTHS AGO WITH REPS FROM THE PARK DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE, THE DIFFERENT PARK FACILITIES THAT ARE IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA AND WHAT THE NEGATIVE IMPACT AND LACK OF USABILITY HAS HAS, YOU KNOW, COME ABOUT FROM THE PROLIFERATION OF THESE, UM, OUTDOOR INCOMPATIBLE USES? YES. THIS PARTICULAR AREA, HISTORICALLY, THE CITY HAS PUT ALL THESE USES THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NO ONE, NO ONE LIVES THERE. SO, UH, THAT'S HOW I THINK HOW THEY GOT THERE. AT ONE POINT, THE CITY WAS EVEN CONSIDERING GAS DRILLING ON THIS PARKLAND IN THAT AREA. WELL, EVERYTHING, ALL THE THINKING HAS CHANGED, ESPECIALLY SINCE CCAP IN THIS AREA BETWEEN SPANGLER ROAD, WHICH THIS, THIS PLANT'S ON THE CORNER OF SPANGLER AND MANANA. AND IF YOU GO TO THE WEST TO LUNA ROAD, THAT AREA IN THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE ELM FORK WATERSHED HAS BEEN, THERE'S BEEN A CLUSTERING OF BATCH PLANTS. IT HAD BEEN RAISED OUTTA THE FLOODPLAIN. WE'RE NOT SURE IF THEY'VE DONE THE REQUIRED OFFSETTING VALLEY STORAGE. BUT THE EFFECT, IN ADDITION TO THE EFFECT FROM THE INCREASED CONCRETE TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS A FACTOR, BUT VERY MUCH IMMEDIATE, IS RAISING OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN OF THE BATCH PLANTS. TWO THINGS HAPPEN. IT'S FLOODING OUR PARK PROPERTIES. OUR GOLF COURSE HAS TO BE SHUT DOWN TO A COUPLE OF HOLES EVERY TIME IT RAINS. WE HAVE TO REMEDIATE THAT THE TAXPAYERS, WE MAINTAIN THE GOLF COURSES AT OUR EXPENSE. THE TAXPAYERS HAVE TO PAY FOR THE FLOODING TO REMEDIATE THE FLOODING ON THE GOLF COURSE. AND THEN THE OPERATORS ARE PRIVATE PARTNERS. THEY GET THEIR BUSINESS SHUT DOWN. AND THAT'S TRUE ON THE, AS THE TENNIS CENTER AND THE SHOOTING RANGE AS WELL. SO THE FLOODING FROM THE RAISING OF THE FLOODPLAINS OF THE BATCH PLANTS IS A FACTOR. BUT EVEN MORE SO, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU EVER DRIVEN DOWN LUNA ROAD, UH, BETWEEN NORTHWEST HIGHWAY AND ROYAL LANE, UH, UNTIL IT WAS RECENTLY REPAVED. IT'S AN ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE CONCRETE DUST, HAS COATED ALL THE LEAVES OF ALL THE TREES ALL ALONG THE ROAD. AND WE GOT OUR PARK PROPERTIES RIGHT NEXT DOOR. AND THEY'VE NEVER BEEN CONSIDERED LIKE THE IMPACT OF, OF THAT. BUT IT'S THE, THE FLOODING ESPECIALLY AND THE POLLUTION MAKE IT OUR LONG-TERM VIABILITY OF THESE. AND THESE PARK PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN THERE FOR DECADES, LITERALLY 60 YEARS, WAY BEFORE ANY OF THE OTHER INDUSTRIAL USES CAME IN. THEY'RE NOT SUSTAINABLE LONG-TERM. THE FLOODING INCREASES YEAR AFTER YEAR. IN FACT, AT THE SHOOTING RANGE, WE HAD REQUIREMENTS WITH THE OPERATOR TO DO CERTAIN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE PART OF HIS CONTRACT. THEY COULD NOT DO THOSE BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING. IT'S, AND, AND WE COULDN'T TELL THEM YOU HAVE TO DO IT. THEY JUST WEREN'T ABLE. SO WE'VE GOT A REAL SITUATION THERE. MR. RUBIN. HI MR. DICKEY. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU REMEMBER YOU SUPERVISED ME AS AN INTERN IN REPRESENTATIVE, AN SHEA'S OFFICE. GOSH. OH MY GOSH. GRANT RUBIN. YEAH. GOOD TO SEE YOU. THAT'S BEEN A WHILE. YES. YES. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, IT'S WEIRD BEING ON THIS SIDE OF THE HORSESHOE, BUT UM, ANYWAY, WHAT IS THE PARKS BOARD LONG-TERM PLAN FOR THIS AREA? BECAUSE I MEAN, ASIDE FROM THE SINGLE SUP APPLICATION FOR THESE BATCH PLANTS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THESE PROLIFERATION OF INDUSTRIAL USES RIGHT NEXT TO MULTIPLE PARKS FACILITIES. AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE WITH NON-CONFORMING RIGHTS, ESPECIALLY AFTER SB 9 29. YOU KNOW, ELIMINATING THE CONFORMING OR NON-CONFORMING INDUSTRIAL USES IS INCREASINGLY CHALLENGING. WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR ALL OF THESE PARKS MOVING FORWARD? SO THAT, THAT IS A REALLY GOOD POINT. UH, I KNOW THAT THE ELIMINATION OF THE AMORTIZATION PERIOD IS GONNA RANK IT REALLY DIFFICULT LONG TERM TO DO IT. BUT IN THE MEETING THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER SPOKE OF, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER NARVA CALLED, UH, THIS WAS ON A PREVIOUS APPLICATION FOR AN SUP ON LUNA ROAD FOR A BATCH PLANT. UH, ANDREA RE WAS THERE, THE PLANNER WAS THERE, TWO PARK DEPARTMENT ASSISTANT DIRECTORS WERE THERE. AND THIS QUESTION CAME UP AND ANDREA RE HAD A REALLY GOOD POINT. SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN COME AND FIGHT THESE SUVS ONE BY ONE, BUT LONG TERM, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, EVEN GIVEN THE DIFFICULTY THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE LONG TERM, IS TO CHANGE THE LAND USE. TO WHAT DEGREE? IT'S NOT CERTAIN, BUT IT'S A LONG TERM ISSUE. AND RECENTLY IN THE PARK DEPARTMENT, WHAT WE DID ON THE PARK BOARD, SEEING THAT THERE HADN'T REALLY BEEN VIGOROUS OPPOSITION BY PARK STAFF IN THE PAST, SOMEWHAT, BUT NOTHING STRONG LIKE THIS. WE DID A RESOLUTION INSTRUCTING OUR PARK STAFF TO OPPOSE [04:35:01] ALL SUVS. IT WAS SPECIFIC TO LUNAR ROAD, BUT IT REALLY APPLIES TO THE WHOLE AREA BECAUSE IT'S KILLING OUR PARKS. SO LONG TERM WE'RE NOT GIVING UP THE FIGHT. UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REMEDIATE EVERY NEW BATCH PLANT THAT COMES IN IS GOING TO INCREASE THE PROBLEM. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE A LONG TERM PLAN TO NOT JUST FIGHT EVERY SUP, BUT TO WORK WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. UH, AND ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF FORWARD DALLAS 2.0 TO CHANGE THE LAND USE. IN TERMS OF THE NON-CON, WHAT WOULD BE NON-CONFORMING USES AND THE LENGTH OF TIME IT MIGHT TAKE TO DO THAT, THAT'S A MULTI-GENERATIONAL, I'VE BEEN AT THIS 30 YEARS BABY STEPS. SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP TAKING BABY STEPS AND HOPING FOR SUPPORT FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE CAN'T, WE'RE NOT GONNA SELL OUR PARK PROPERTIES. AND, UH, THIS ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE WATERSHED OF THE M FORK, AS GARRETT BOONE MENTIONED, THE CITY HAS TO CHANGE. WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE WAY WE HANDLE IT, AND IT'S A DECADES LONG PROBLEM. THANK YOU. MR. DICKEY. ONE, JUST QUICK, OTHER PLANS TO EXPAND ANY OF THOSE PARKS IN THIS AREA? ARE WE KIND OF IN A HOLDING PATTERN CONSIDERING THE DIFFICULT SITUATION? NO, NO CURRENT PLANS FOR EXPANSION. WE, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF UNDEVELOPED PARKLAND THERE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING AND, AND WITH GREEN SPACE DALLAS IN PARTICULAR, UH, AND DOBA, THE DALLAS OFF ROAD BIKE ASSOCIATION. SOME OF THE WILDER AREAS THERE, LIKE ALONG WILDWOOD ROAD, ET CETERA. WE'RE EN ENHANCING OUR UNOFFICIAL TRAILS, OUR TRAILS, LIKE OUR BIKE TRAILS AND THINGS. BUT IN TERMS OF AN OFFICIAL NEW PARK PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE NO CURRENT PLANS I'M AWARE OF. BUT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE BIKE PEOPLE AND CLEAR THE, AND JUST KEEP IT, KEEP IT SAFE AND CLEAN. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER? YES, COMMISSIONER WHEELER. I, I THINK I'M, I I'M GOING BACK TO THE AGE OF THE PARKS. UM, WAS WAS, YOU MENTIONED THAT AT ONE TIME THE CITY OF DALLAS WAS GOING TO ALLOW THE GAS DRILLING. DID YOU SAY THAT GAS? YES, THERE WAS, UH, AND IT WAS GONNA BE ON THESE SITES, THE, THE, THE PARKS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE, UM, WELL, YEAH, THE, THIS, THIS AREA'S KIND OF WILD IN PLACES AND NOT OUR GOLF COURSE SHOOTING RANGE OR OUR TENNIS CENTER. BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF LUNA ROAD, IT'S, IT'S PARKLAND, BUT IT'S SORT OF WILDERNESS PARKLAND. AND THE COUNCIL HAD MADE A DIRECTIVE YEARS AGO THAT THERE COULD BE NO DRILLING THERE. AND UNFORTUNATELY IT WORKED OUT, UM, YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH IT, THAT, UH, A CITY MANAGER DID A LEASE TO HAVE GAS DRILLING THERE. UH, IN THE COUNCIL, WHEN THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, THEY WERE LIKE, UH, WHAT? AND SO THEY CANCELED THE CONTRACT AND THAT RESULTED IN A LAWSUIT THAT WENT ON FOR YEARS. AND ULTIMATELY THE CITY HAD TO PAY OVER $50 MILLION TO SETTLE THAT SUIT. 'CAUSE WE DID NOT WANT THE GAS DRILLING THERE. AND IT WAS JUST A MISTAKE WAS MADE BY GIVING A BUT MY POINT ON THAT WAS IT SORT OF SHOWED THE ATTITUDE ABOUT, WELL, THIS IS JUST A WILD AREA. WE CAN DO WHATEVER. WELL, I MAINTAIN, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE MAINTAIN, NO, WE'VE GOTTA CHANGE THE WAY WE THINK ABOUT THIS ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE WATERSHED, THE FLOODPLAIN. OKAY. OKAY. AND, AND, AND BEFORE THIS WAS A PARK, PARDON? BEFORE THE, THE ADJACENCY OF THIS PARK WAS THE AREA ALREADY? I AM, UM, YOU MEAN WHEN DID THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING COME IN? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I SO WHAT, BUT WAS IT PRIOR TO THE 10 YEARS OF THE, OF THE CITY OF DALLAS MAKING THIS A PARK? I'M SORRY. I'M HAVING TROUBLE HEARING. WELL, WELL DO, DO YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE ON, ON WHETHER PRIOR TO THE 10 YEARS, IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS SINCE THIS BECAME A PARK, WAS THE ADJACENT AREA ALREADY? IM INDUSTRIAL. UM, DO NOT KNOW THAT. BUT I WILL SAY MONEYGRAM, THAT THAT PROPERTY WAS A LANDFILL. OKAY. AND SO IT WAS A REDEVELOPED LANDFILL PROBABLY. THAT WHOLE PROCESS STARTED. IT WAS PART, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS ELM FORK ATHLETIC COMPLEX WAS PART OF THE, THE BROADER TRINITY RIVER PLAN THAT INCLUDED THE PARK AND THE RIVER THAT, YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE 1988 OR SO, UH, THERE WAS A, A, A MASTER PLAN FOR THE TRINITY TO DEVELOP BETWEEN THE LEVIES AND, AND THE WORLD CLASS SOCCER PARK WAS PART OF THAT OVERALL DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT WAS A RECLAIMED LANDFILL. AND WE SPENT, OH, I KNOW THERE WAS 14 MILLION OF, UH, TRINITY FLOOD CONTROL MONEY THAT WAS REPROGRAMMED FROM THAT TO THE, THE SOCCER PARK. SO, SO I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. UM, WERE YOUR AIR QUALITY CONTROLS IN PLACE IN THE SUMMER OF LAST YEAR? [04:40:01] UH, NO. THESE, THESE WERE JUST READINGS FROM THIS OR THIS FALL? NO, NO. I'M SAYING, SO WHEN, WHEN WERE THEY PLACED, WHEN WAS THOSE AIR QUALITY CONTROL, UH, MONITORS PUT IN PLACE WHEN WERE, I'M SORRY. THE ACOUSTICS IN THIS BUILDING ARE KILLING ME AND I'VE GOT A, THE AIR, WHEN WAS THE AIR QUALITY CONTROL MONITORS PUT IN PLACE ON, ON THIS PARK. OH, OKAY. MONEYGRAM. THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE. LONGER, I THINK MAYBE A YEAR, A COUPLE OF YEARS. SO, SO, SO MY CONCERN IS THAT, UM, I, I NEED TO ASK YOU THIS. IT GOES WITH THE SAME QUESTION. UM, YOU BROUGHT US IN THE, THE FA THE THE ONES FROM DECEMBER. AND YOU SAID THAT YOU, YOU CAN ONLY, YOU ALL SAID YOU ONLY CAN IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD BE IN THE SUMMER, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN UP FOR QUITE A WHILE. SO WHY DIDN'T YOU ALL BRING US THE DATA FROM HOW THE SUMMER, PREVIOUS SUMMER, WHICH WAS, AND IT WAS A PRETTY HOT SUMMER LAST SUMMER. WHY DIDN'T YOU BRING THAT INFORMATION? BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET THIS INFORMATION UNTIL TWO HOURS AGO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND I, I, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT, AND WE'LL CON I WILL TRY TO GET THAT, MORE OF THAT INFORMATION. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER SLEEPER. YEAH. I JUST WANNA CLARIFY A COUPLE THINGS. IF THE CITY'S WEBSITE SAYS THIS PARK WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2005, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY REASON TO DISAGREE WITH THAT? SO THIS PARK'S 20 YEARS OLD, UH, IN 2005. WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? YEAH, I SAID IF THE CITY'S WEBSITE SAYS THIS PARK WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2005. OKAY. MAKING IT 20 YEARS OLD, YOU DON'T HAVE A REASON TO DISAGREE WITH THAT, DO YOU? OH, ABOUT WHAT, WHAT'S THE QUESTION? THE PARK IS 20 YEARS OLD, IS THAT CORRECT? MONEYGRAM? YES. 2005 IS OKAY. THANK YOU. OH, THAT'S IT. YES. AND, AND THIS MAY BE SOMETHING YOU KNOW OR DON'T KNOW. WOULD YOU EXPECT THE AIR QUALITY TO BE WORSE IN THE SUMMER? I WOULD. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY? WELL, BECAUSE THE, THE DRIER, THE DRY WEATHER FINE PARTICULATES, WHEN THE, WHEN THERE'S NOT SO MUCH MOISTURE IN THE AIR AND WHICH IS THE CASE IN THE SUMMER, THOSE PARTICULATES CAN GET INTO THE AIR BETTER THAN, THAN IN MOIST AIR, WHICH WE HAVE IN THE SUMMER. AND YOU KNOW, LIKE AUG JULY AND AUGUST, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE AS MUCH MOISTURE IN THE AIR. AND WHATEVER PARTICULATES AND CEMENT DUST IS COMING OUT OF THE PLANTS IS GONNA GET IN. IT IS GONNA LINGER, IT'S GONNA TRAVEL FARTHER. SO THAT'S MY NON-SCIENTIFIC ESTIMATION OF THAT. AIR PRESSURE, TEMPERATURE, AND HUMIDITY ALL PLAY A FACTOR IN AIR QUALITY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UM, CONTAMINANT, PARTICULATES IN AIR QUALITY. CORRECT. THAT IS MY UNEXPERT OPINION, JUST BASED ON WHAT I REALLY THINK IS JUST MAKES, MAKES SENSE TO ME. OKAY. I, AND I'D LOVE TO HAVE THE NUMBERS AND I WANT TO GET THEM, I JUST WASN'T ABLE TO GET THEM TODAY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. OKAY, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, I HAVE A QUESTION. I, I THINK IT'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF, BUT, UM, I, I, I NOTICED THAT STAFF, UM, RECOMMENDED IN FAVOR OF THE, UH, THE ZONING USE THAT'S BEING APPLIED FOR. AND, AND I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND, UH, THE CONCERNS FROM THE FOLKS THAT ARE, UH, AFFILIATED WITH THE, WITH THE PARK DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE POTENTIAL INCOMPATIBILITY HERE. BUT I, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, AND I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY ELSE TO DIRECT THIS TO BESIDES STAFF, IF THEY DON'T, IF THEY WANT TO ANSWER THIS, IF, IF WE WERE TO REJECT THE PROPOSED USE BECAUSE OF THE TESTIMONY WE'RE HEARING TODAY, THEN WHAT COULD THE OWNER REASONABLY EXPECT TO DO WITH THIS LAND THAT ISN'T GOING TO VIOLATE THE ZONING AND OR CREATE OR CREATE A PROBLEM FOR THE ADJACENCY WITH THE PARK? WELL, THIS IS DENIED TODAY. HE CAN USE ANY OTHER USE THAT'S ALLOWED, ALLOWED BY, UH, IR ON THE PROPERTY. ANY OTHER INDUSTRIAL USE HE CAN USE ON THE PROPERTY THAT'S ALLOWED BY WRIGHT. AND SO ARE, ARE THERE, UH, A MYRIAD OF OTHER INDUSTRIAL USES THAT MIGHT GO HERE THAT WOULDN'T CREATE THE PROBLEM THAT THE FOLKS FROM THE PARK DEPARTMENT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT? IT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY. ANYTHING THAT'S NOT, UH, COMPATIBLE, POTENTIALLY INCOMPATIBLE, THOSE USES ARE ONLY ALLOWED IN IM, AND THOSE USES ARE ONLY ALLOWED BY, UM, SUP. OKAY. BUT, BUT IN, IN, IN COMING UP WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION, YOU DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AS, UH, AN ISSUE THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN, IN RECOMMENDING FOR APPROVAL? WELL, I TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THAT THERE COULD BE OTHER INDU INDUSTRIAL USES ON THE [04:45:01] PROPERTY, BUT WHEN I DID MY REVIEW, THIS AREA HAS BEEN INDUSTRIAL FOR A WHILE. AND SO I ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE REVIEW I ACTUALLY LOOKED AT FOR DALLAS 2.0, BUT SINCE THIS APPLICATION CAME IN IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR, I COULDN'T USE IT. BUT I ALSO LOOKED AT THAT DATA THAT STATED THAT THIS WAS INDUSTRIAL HUB AND IN HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES ARE ALLOWED THERE. UNDERSTAND THE PARK IS THERE AND THE PARK BEEN THERE. I THOUGHT MAYBE 2008, BUT SHE LOOKED IT UP, IT WAS 2005. AND SO THE PARK BEEN THERE 20 YEARS. AND SO THESE OTHER INDUSTRIAL USES WAS THERE. AND SO MY THINKING WAS TO USE ZONING TWOS TO TRY TO MITIGATE THE DUST AS FAR AS SCREENING AND SCREENING THE RAW MATERIAL AND ITEMS LIKE THAT. AND THEN ALSO WITH THESE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES, THEY REQUIRE A-T-C-E-Q PERMIT. MM-HMM . THAT ALSO REGULATES, UH, AIR QUALITY AND CONTAMINATION AND ITEMS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT I LOOKED AT WHEN I LOOKED AT MY REVIEW. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT, MY QUESTION IS A FOLLOW UP TO, UH, COMMISSIONER SLEEP'S QUESTION. WHAT, UH, LOOKING AT THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS IN THE CASE REPORT, IT, IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S LIKE A CONTAINER STORAGE THERE NOW. IS THAT CORRECT? COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT IS THERE NOW? WELL, RIGHT NOW THERE'S A PARKING LOT AND IT USED TO BE A, IT HAD A TEMPORARY CO FOR A CONSTRUCTION YARD. SO THERE IS TWO TRAILERS THERE THEY'RE GONNA USE FOR OFFICES. AND THEN THE REST IS JUST PAID. RIGHT NOW THE LOT IS VACANT, SO IT WAS A CONSTRUCTION YARD AT ONE POINT, BUT, BUT IT COULD BE CONTINUED TO U BE WITH THE CURRENT ZONING. THEY COULD USE IT FOR TRAILER STORAGE OR JUST A WHOLE, UH, UH, UH, NUMBER OF USES. RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S NOT, IT COULD BE YES SIR. USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN, UH, IR INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN IR. ANY OTHER FIRST ROUND BEFORE WE GO TO SECOND ROUND? NO, IT'S STILL APPLICANT QUESTION, BUT DON'T GO AWAY. PARDON? UH, PARDON ME. OPPOSITION, UH, SECOND ROUND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? NO. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER FILED BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. UH, OKAY. UM, THE SPEAKER COULDN'T TELL ME, ARE YOU AWARE WHEN THIS WAS, WHEN THIS WAS ZONED INDUSTRIAL? I DO NOT. I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND SEE. WHEN WAS IT ZONED INDUSTRIAL? WAS IT PRIOR TO 20 YEARS? YES. THESE, THESE USERS PROBABLY HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE, I DON'T WANNA SAY THE EIGHTIES, BUT SOMEWHERE. SO THIS WAS INDUSTRIAL FIRST? YES. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. THE CURRENT ZONING ON THIS LAND IS IR, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. AND BATCH PLANTS REQUIRE? IM YES, MA'AM. SO THERE ARE A GREAT MANY INDU IR USES, INDUSTRIAL USES THAT COULD GO HERE THAT WOULD NOT PRESENT, UM, INCOMPATIBILITY, UM, SUCH AS WAREHOUSES, OFFICE, SHOWROOM WAREHOUSES, MANY WAREHOUSES INSIDE LIGHT MANUFACTURING, OUTSIDE STORAGE WITH SCREENING. THERE ARE A GREAT MANY IN LIGHT LIGHTER INDUSTRIAL USES. CORRECT. THANK YOU. UM, ARE YOU AWARE, UH, WHEN WE DID THE REVISION OF BATCH PLANT ORDINANCES, IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE IN TWO STAGES. I KNOW WE PASSED THE FIRST STAGE, WHICH WAS TO REQUIRE AN SUP FOR ANY BATCH PLANT IN THE CITY, EVEN EITHER PERMANENT OR TEMPORARY, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. BUT I DO REMEMBER WE, UH, SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME FORMULATING A SECOND BATCH, UH, A BATCH, A BATCH OF, UH, CONDITIONS THAT WOULD APPLY TO BATCH PLANTS, AND SOME OF THOSE, UM, INCLUDED DISTANCES FROM PARKS AND RESIDENCES. DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE SECOND ROUND OF THE BATCH PLANT ORDINANCE? UM, I THINK IT'S IN REVIEW. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT DISTANCE. UH, I DID TALK TO SOMEBODY THAT WAS WORKING ON IT AND SO LIKE A LOT OF THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS AND SCREENING REQUIREMENTS MM-HMM . WERE PUT IN PLACE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAME UP WITH AN AGREEMENT AS FAR AS DISTANCE FROM UH, PARKS. OKAY. SO THAT'S STILL IN REVIEW? YES, MA'AM. BUT CURRENTLY THIS SITE IS NOT ZONED FOR A BATCH PLANT? NO, MA'AM. THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN INTENSER ZONING THAN WHAT THEY'VE BOUGHT OR LEASED? CORRECT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH THE ANALYSIS THAT YOU DID ON THIS APPLICATION UNDER THE CA? I'M NOT QUITE SURE I UNDERSTAND. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE CCAP IS? MM-HMM . YEAH. WHAT ANALYSIS DID YOU APPLY TO THIS APPLICATION? UNDER OUR CCAP, I DON'T, DID YOU CONSIDER THE CAP IN THIS? IN EVALUATING THIS APPLICATION? I [04:50:01] DID LOOK AT CCAP AND THEN ALSO C A'S REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS RED RESIDENTIAL USES AND STUFF LIKE RESIDENTIAL EDITION, STUFF LIKE THAT. AS FAR AS AIR QUALITY AND ITEMS LIKE THAT, I LEFT THAT UP TO TCEQ. I KNOW THEY ALREADY HAVE A-T-C-E-Q PERMIT AND THOSE THINGS ARE USUALLY REGULATED THROUGH THEM, WHICH IS A SEPARATE ENTITY. DID YOU DO ANY FURTHER ANALYSIS UNDER OUR CCAP IN EVALUATING THIS APPLICATION? NO, MA'AM. THANK YOU. ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. WHAT DOES FOUR DALLAS 2.0 HAVE THIS AREA AS IT'S LISTED AS AN INDUSTRIAL HUB. OKAY. PLACE TYPE. AND THAT WENT THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE PROCESS HERE WITH THIS BODY. YEAH. AND I WAS CONCERNED TOO WITH THE FORWARD DALLAS, I DON'T KNOW IF THE PART CAME UP IN THE CONVERSATION WHEN WE, WE ACTUALLY WENT IN AND, AND ADOPTED THE PLACE TYPE OR NOT. SO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE, MS. BLUE, ARE YOU AWARE THAT MR. BLADES, UM, WHO'S BEEN WORKING ON, UM, THE FORWARD DALLAS HAS INFORMED ME THAT THEY'VE MADE MISTAKES IN THIS AREA, THAT THEY DID NOT GET THIS PARK LAND PROPERLY CODED AS PARKS? I BELIEVE WE HAD A CONVERSATION IN ZRT THAT WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, Y'ALL HAD A CONVERSATION WITH IT, IT WASN'T IN DEPTH. AND SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME MISTAKE. ARE YOU AWARE THAT HE HAS, UM, LET ME KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO AN AMENDMENT TO THE MAP TO, TO REFLECT THE CONDITIONS THERE ACCURATELY? NO MA'AM. HE DIDN'T INFORM ME. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER SITTING AROUND ME. PARDON ME. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON? YEAH, WELL, I GUESS I'M CONFUSED. DO WE JUST USE FORD DALLAS 2.0 WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT OR WHEN WE WANT TO, BECAUSE EARLIER TODAY WE HAD A CASE WHERE IT'S LIKE, WELL, WE CAN'T USE FORD DALLAS 2.0 'CAUSE THIS APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED BEFORE WE PASSED IT. AND NOW TODAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT IN THIS CASE. THAT IS CORRECT. THIS APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED BEFORE AUGUST, BUT I GUESS I WANTED TO PUT A LITTLE MEAT ON THE BONES AND JUST BRING THAT UP. 'CAUSE I DID REVIEW FOR DALLAS TWO POINT AND I'M SORRY, UM, IF THAT WAS INAPPROPRIATE. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT. I, BUT I WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RULES ARE BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO CHANGE DEPENDING ON HOW STAFF WANTS THE OUTCOME OF THE CASE TO BE. AND I THINK IN FAIRNESS TO THE PUBLIC AND IN FAIRNESS TO THIS COMMISSION, THERE NEEDS TO BE A RULE. AND I DON'T REALLY CARE WHICH WAY IT GOES, FRANKLY. I THINK IT'S KIND OF SILLY TO SAY WE'VE PASSED THIS POLICY AND WE'RE JUST GONNA PRETEND LIKE IT DOESN'T EXIST. UM, IN LIGHT OF APPLICATIONS, PARTICULARLY SINCE IT'S NOT A ZONING CODE CHANGE, IT'S JUST A PUBLIC POLICY. BUT WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA DO, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RULES ARE SO WE CAN EVALUATE THESE CASES FAIRLY AND CONSISTENTLY GOING FORWARD. UNDERSTAND. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES, COMMISSIONER FOREC. ACTUALLY, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UH, GARRETT BOONE. OKAY, THAT'S FINE. MR. BOONE, COULD YOU COME DOWN, MR. BOONE? MR. BOONE, R-R-R-R-D OR MR. DICKEY OR ANYONE? YEAH, EITHER ONE. OKAY. I'M SORRY. . THOSE, THOSE STAIRS ARE, ARE TREACHEROUS. I KNOW. THEY'RE VERY STEEP. I CALLED, UH, I CALLED MR. BOONE BECAUSE I SERVED, UH, ON HIS, UH, BOND SUBCOMMITTEE FOR PARKS LAST YEAR. AND, AND, AND, AND UNDER HIS LEADERSHIP WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY VISIT MONEYGRAM PARK. AND I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE OR ASK YOU IF IT WASN'T, UH, MENTIONED EARLIER, ISN'T THIS, UH, MONEYGRAM PARK A PLACE WHERE SOCCER PLAYERS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND EVEN THE WORLD COME TO PLAY? YES. THE WORLD CUP ARE GONNA BE A WHOLE BUNCH OF SOCCER PLAYERS. UH, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO, THE MICRO, IT'S GONNA BE, I MEAN, THERE'S GONNA BE A WHOLE BUNCH OF SOCCER PLAYERS. COULD, COULD YOU, UH, THE MICROPHONE TURN OFF? I'M SORRY. THERE WILL BE A LOT OF SOCCER PLAYERS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD USING THAT MONEYGRAM FACILITY, AND THEY'LL BE JUDGING DALLAS ON THAT. AND THE TRASH WE HAVE, WE NEED TO PICK UP THE CITY BEFORE THAT HAPPENS. BUT YES, IT'S GONNA BE QUITE A, QUITE AN EVENT. I APPRECIATE YOU, UH, POINTING THAT OUT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU MR. BOONE. SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES. IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 DASH 3 28? I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOT FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO DENY. AND IF I HAVE, UH, SECOND I HAVE COMMENTS. YOU DO HAVE A SECOND. YOU HAVE MULTIPLE SECONDS. UH, I'LL DO BRIEF COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER BERG. UM, CONSIDERING THE MAJOR INVESTMENT THE CITY MAKES IN PARKS, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, A, A WRONGHEADED DECISION TO, TO DISCOUNT THEIR, THEIR TESTIMONY. UM, WHILE THERE HAS BEEN, UH, A PAST AND [04:55:01] ONGOING HISTORY OF INDUSTRY IN THIS AREA, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO AUTOMATICALLY AGREE TO CONTINUE TO, UM, INTENSIFY THINGS. YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS HEARD OF, WHEN YOU FIND YOURSELF IN A HOLE, THE FIRST THING YOU DO IS STOP DIGGING. UM, THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY IS NOT, UM, DOES NOT HAVE THE ZONING IT NEEDS FOR A BATCH PLANT. IT WOULD NEED TO HAVE, I AM ZONING. THERE'S IR ZONING ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. UM, AND OF COURSE THEY'RE ASKING FOR, UH, A MORE INTENSE ZONING AND AN SEP, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO, TO, UM, GRANT IT. UM, WHILE TRYING TO EXTRICATE OURSELVES FROM THE TANGLE OF INCOMPATIBILITIES THAT'S BEEN CREATED BY PAST POLICIES IS, YOU KNOW, BEYOND US TODAY, I DON'T, UM, SEE, GIVEN THE TESTIMONY THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED, THAT THERE IS ANY REASON TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION. SO I HOPE THAT, UM, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WILL SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER. I WILL NOT SUPPORT THAT. I WILL, I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT. UM, UM, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THAT. UM, MOTION. TWO THINGS. UM, WHEN WE HAVE HOUSING IN, WHEN WE HAVE INDUSTRY IN AREAS CLOSE TO HOUSING, I HAVE SAID THIS ON EVERY ONE OF OUR INDUSTRY CASES, UM, THEN WE SHOULDN'T, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD VOTE AGAINST IT. BUT WHEN INDUSTRY IS SOMEWHERE AND WE FIND A PLACE TO PUT INDUSTRY, IT MAKES IT BAD BUSINESS. IN DALLAS, DALLAS, UH, WE NEED CONCRETE AND BATCH PLANTS. WE ARE BUILDING CONSTANTLY AND AT SOME POINT WE'RE GONNA LOSE THE BUSINESS. I UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, THE REASON WHY I KEPT REFERRING BACK TO THE PARK, BECAUSE DALLAS DOES THIS QUITE OFTEN. THEY MOVE INTO INDUSTRY PLACES 10, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, INDUSTRY HAS BEEN THERE. AND THEN WHEN IT BECOMES A HEALTH ISSUE, THE INDUSTRY IS WRONG. NO, THE CITY IS WRONG. THE INDUSTRY WAS THERE PRIOR, THEY SPEND $50 MILLION AND TAXPAYER MONEY BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO DO GAS DRILLING. THERE WAS A CONTRACT, BUT BECAUSE THEY CHANGED THEIR MINDS, THEY HAD TO PAY THAT $50 MILLION OUT, RIGHT? AND, AND MAYBE I, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE ELOQUENT SPEAKINGS TO SAY ON, ON WHAT WHAT SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T HAPPEN, BUT WHAT I DO BELIEVE IN INDUSTRY SHOULD BE WHERE INDUSTRY IS AT, HOUSING SHOULD BE WHERE HOUSING IS AT. AND THEN WHEN WE GO TO APPROACHING ONTO, ONTO THESE TYPE OF INDUSTRIES OR THESE TYPE OF PLACE TYPES, IT CAUSES US TO BE A, A, UH, LEFT OUT WITH, UH, INDUSTRY LIKE THIS THAT WE NEED. YES, IT HAS IR ZONING, RIGHT? BUT WHERE ELSE, EVERY TIME IT LOOKS LIKE INDUSTRY FINDS A POCKET, WE PUSH THEM FURTHER OUT. WE PUSH 'EM THIS WAY, RIGHT? YOU BUILD HOUSING, YOU BUILD A PARK, YOU BUILD SOMETHING THAT THIS WAS, THIS AREA HAS BEEN INDUSTRIAL. I'M, I'M ONLY 48, RIGHT? I'M ONLY 48 YOUNG AND I'VE ALWAYS KNOWN IT TO BE INDUSTRY. THESE ARE THE PERFECT POCKETS TO ALLOW A BATCH PLANT TO BE AT. WE HAVE, WE NEED BATCH PLANTS. WE, WE, WE, WE DISALLOWED 'EM ON THREE 10 BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO HOUSING. UM, WE DISALLOWED THEM IN WEST THESE TYPE OF THINGS IN WEST DALLAS BECAUSE OF HOUSING AND THE HEALTH ISSUES THAT WERE HAPPENING TO PEOPLE, WHICH WAS RIGHTFULLY SO. BUT THIS FOR ME, AND I LOVE PARKS AND PEOPLE WHO LOVE PARKS, LOVE PARKS, PARKS WASN'T THEIR FIRST PARKS MOVED IN AND NOW PARKS IS COMPLAINING ABOUT AIR QUALITY. NEXT RESIDENTIAL IS GONNA MOVE IN AND THEY'RE GONNA COMPLAIN ABOUT AIR QUALITY. WE HAVE TO FIND INDUSTRIAL ZONES FOR THESE BATCH PLANS TO BE IN. WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO, TO DENY THEM. AND THEN THEY HAVE TO GO FIND A NEW PLACE AND A NEW PLACE AND A NEW PLACE. I, I MEAN, I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE, THE FACTS, BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THERE WAS SOME AIR QUALITY CONTROL DONE LAST SUMMER. WE COULD HAVE HAD THAT AND, AND, AND IF ASKED IN, IN A TIMEFRAME, THIS WAS PUT ON THE, THIS WAS APPLICATION WAS DONE IN AUGUST, THERE WAS TIME FOR THAT TO BE ASKED FOR, BUT IT WAS NOT, IT WAS ONLY ASKED FOR, I I'M ASSUMING FOR DECEMBER. SO I LIKE TO DEAL WITH, SHOW ME THE FACTS THAT IT, THAT IT, IT IS NOT MEETING, UM, QUALITY CONTROL. UM, AND IT MAYBE I CHANGED MY MIND, BUT I'M A SUPPORT INDUSTRY WHEN THEY'RE IN THE RIGHT AREA, AND THIS IS THE RIGHT AREA FOR INDUSTRY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. WELL, I SEE, UM, COMMISSIONER WHEELER AND I'S TIME TO AGREE WITH ONE ANOTHER HAS COME TO AN END. UM, I AM GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION. AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, AS CITIES GROW, WE GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO REEVALUATE HOW WE USE OUR LAND AND HOW WE PRIORITIZE COMMUNITIES AND LAND USES. AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES, IF WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT [05:00:03] PROMOTING THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE CITY AS A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY, THEN WE HAVE TO STOP TREATING IT LIKE OUR GARBAGE DUMP. AND THAT INCLUDES CHANGING ZONING THAT EXISTS ON THE GROUND TODAY TO BE A MORE INTENSIVE USE IN ORDER TO ALLOW A BATCH PLANT THIS PERSON, THIS, THIS OWNER DOES NOT HAVE THE ZONING THEY NEED TO OPERATE A BATCH PLANT HERE. THEY'RE COMING TO US, ASKING FOR US TO CHANGE THE ZONING SO THAT THEY CAN CREATE A MORE INTENSIVE USE THAT WILL BE MORE DAMAGING TO THE PARKS THAT ARE THERE. IT'S NOT THAT THE PARK CAME TO THEM, THEY'RE COMING TO THE PARK. AND EVEN IF THERE ARE ALREADY SIMILAR USES IN THE AREA, IT'S OKAY FOR US AS A CITY TO SAY, WE ENVISION OUR FUTURE TO BE DIFFERENT. WE KNOW BETTER. WE CAN DO BETTER. WE DIDN'T USE TO HAVE A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, BUT ONE DAY WE TOOK A LOOK AND SAID, IF WE DON'T GET A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, WE'RE GONNA FRY, OR WE'RE GONNA FLOAT AWAY, OR WHAT OTHER, OTHER BAD ACTS ARE GONNA HAPPEN AS A CONSEQUENCE OF US NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THE RESULT OF CLIMATE CHANGE. YOU KNOW, HOUSTON HAS BUILT OUT A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF ITS NATURAL FLOOD AREAS TO THE POINT WHERE WHEN THEY HAVE A MASSIVE WATER EVENT, THAT WATER HAS NOWHERE TO GO. AND WHAT USED TO BE SORT OF THEIR SPONGE AREA NOW GETS FLOODED. AND THAT INCLUDES PEOPLE'S HOMES. AND SO WHEN WE ALLOW OUR FLOOD AREAS TO DO THE SAME, TO GET BUILT OUT, WE'RE GONNA FIND OURSELVES IN THE SAME PREDICAMENT. AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE CHOICES WE MAKE, WHERE DO WE ALLOW THESE THINGS TO BE BUILT? SHOULD WE ALLOW THEM TO BE BUILT IN OUR FLOODPLAIN? SHOULD WE ALLOW THEM TO BE BUILT IN AREAS THAT SHOULD BE PROTECTED? SHOULD WE ALLOW THEM TO BE BUILT IN AREAS THAT ARE GONNA DAMAGE OUR NATURAL FOREST, OUR URBAN FOREST? UM, SHOULD WE ALLOW THEM TO BE BUILT NEXT TO MASSIVE PARKS WHERE THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN'S PLAY OUR ATTITUDE TODAY, IT'S OKAY TO BE DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS 20 YEARS AGO OR 30 YEARS AGO. AND SO FOR THOSE REASONS AND, AND A LOT OF OTHERS, I COULD GO ON. IT'S THREE 30 THOUGH, AND WE HAVE A LONG DOCKET. I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. RUBIN. YEAH, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. UM, LIKE COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, I DO SEE THIS AS A REQUEST FOR AN INDUSTRIAL UP ZONING, NOT SORT OF A HORIZONTAL MOVE BETWEEN, UM, ZONING CATEGORIES AND USES. UM, I AM SENSITIVE TO COMMISSIONER WHEELER'S CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, NON-INDUSTRIAL USES COME IN FOR WHATEVER REASON. SOME OF THEM VERY DEEPLY TROUBLING AFTER INDUSTRIAL USES ARE THERE. AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS A VALID CONCERN, BUT I DON'T SHARE THAT CONCERN HERE WHEN THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL UPZONING. THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION IS THAT LIKE COMMISSIONER WHEELER, YOU KNOW, WE DO NEED TO HAVE THINK, I I THINK WE DO NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHERE WE PUT BATCH PLANTS IN THIS CITY. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THE LUNA ROAD AREA IS NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THE QUESTION FOR ME. YOU KNOW, THE RISK IS IF WE DON'T ALLOW, YOU KNOW, CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS IN THE CITY, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT PEOPLE WILL STOP BUYING AND USING CONCRETE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. THAT MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE BATCH PLANTS ARE GOING TO GO TO SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH OR ELLIS COUNTY, AND THAT MEANS MORE VEHICLE MO MILES TRAVELED FOR THOSE HEAVY TRUCKS COMING UP AND DOWN I 35. SO I, I DON'T WANNA SUGGEST THAT BY ELIMINATING BATCH PLANTS WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, A, A PAINLESS, YOU KNOW, CURE ALL FOR, FOR THE PROBLEMS THAT WE, WE MIGHT HAVE. THERE MAY BE SOME CONSEQUENCES THERE TOO. SO THIS IS JUST ONE ZONING CASE. FORTUNATELY, WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE LARGER DECISIONS TODAY, BUT I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. WE HAVE A, A MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. SECOND, A COMMISSIONER HAMPTON TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOT FALSE OUR RECOMMENDATION, BUT RATHER DENY THE APPLICATION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ONE IN OPPOSITION. MOTION PASSES. GO TO NUMBER, UH, 16. THANK YOU MS. BLUE. THANK YOU. [16. 25-696A An application for an R-5(A) Single Family District on property zoned an A(A) Agricultural District, on the south line of South St. Augustine Road, east of Middlefield Road.] [05:05:01] THAT'S YOU MS. BLUE, THAT'S YOU. YOUR 16TH. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 16, AN APPLICATION FOR A R DASH FIVE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE, AA AGRICULTURE ON THE SOUTH LINE OF SOUTH ST. AUGUSTINE ROAD, EAST OF MIDDLEFIELD ROAD STAFF APPLICA STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES. COMMISSIONER. HALT MS. BLUE LOOKING AT THE GOOGLE MAP OF THIS AREA, I MEAN, THE WHOLE LOT IS PRACTICALLY A LAKE. WHERE, WHERE ARE THESE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES GONNA GO? THEY'RE GONNA BE AROUND THE LOT. THERE IS SOME, UH, GREEN SPACE AROUND THE LAKE. GREEN SPACE. AROUND THE LAKE? YEAH, THERE IS SOME LAND AROUND THE LAKE. OKAY. ENOUGH FOR FOUR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? HMM. DO WE THIS IS A MANMADE LAKE? I DO BELIEVE SO, YEAH, I'M NOT SURE. OKAY. IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE OR NOT, YOU CAN ASK HIM THOSE QUESTIONS. AND ALSO, UH, HE SENT ME A PRELIMINARY LAYOUTS AND THERE IS SPACE FOR AT LEAST 20 PLUS HOUSES AROUND THE LAKE AND ALSO SOME GREEN SPACE, UM, FOR THE SUBDIVISION. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THESE ASKING FOR R FIVE. SO SMALL, LOTS SMALL, UH, COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION TO HOLD IT? SEEING NONE? COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? I DO HAVE A MOTION. UM, I'D LIKE TO SHARE A QUICK COMMENT AFTER I MAKE THE MOTION, BUT IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 4 5 1, 2 2, I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL APRIL 10TH, 2025. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN FOR YOUR MOTION. I WILL SECOND IT. COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER FRANK? UH, YES. UH, THIS MORNING WAS THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD FROM THE APPLICANTS, THE REPRESENTATIVE, AND SO THIS HAS A LOT OF WORK TO DO, UH, TO COMMISSIONER HALL'S POINT. I I'VE HEARD THAT THERE ARE FLOODING ISSUES, UH, IN THIS AREA. WE HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY YET TO, UH, MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY, UH, TO DISCUSS THIS. SO WE'LL NEED AMPLE TIME TO DO THAT. UH, HAVE THE DEVELOPER, THE APPLICANT TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY AND GET SOME OF THESE THINGS FLESHED OUT. AND SO HENCE THE AROUND ABOUT SIX WEEKS, UM, DELAY UNTIL THE NEXT TIME WE, WE DISCUSS THIS, BUT THIS NEEDS MORE WORK, UH, NEEDS MORE TIME TO GET FLESHED OUT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE, NONE. THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY IMPOSE? I HAVE IT. 17, PLEASE. DO WE STILL WANT A BRIEFING BEFORE WE GET STARTED OR ON 17? DO WE WANT A BRIEFING? YES. 17. ALL RIGHT. JUST MAKING SURE. THANK YOU. BEFORE I, WE'RE JUST GONNA READ IT INTO THE RECORD. IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE HELD. NO, IT'S NOT GONNA BE HELD. OH, OH, OKAY. BRIEFING. WE FOUND OUT WHAT? . OKAY. SO WE, WE HADN'T, WE HAVE NOT BRIEFED THIS, RIGHT? NO. CORRECT. IT'S THE FIRST TIME WE NEED TO, YES. LET'S BRIEF IT. OKAY, HERE WE GO. [17. 25-697A An application for an FRTN F-Residential Transition Subdistrict, on property zoned an R-5(A) Single Family Subdistrict within Planned Development District No. 595, the South Dallas/Fair Park Special Purpose District, on the southeast line of Elsie Faye Heggins Street, southwest of Bexar Street.] OKAY. UH, Z 2 45. THIS IS ITEM 17. ONCE AGAIN, Z 2 45 1 0 3 IS, OH BOY, THE LAG. AN APPLICATION FOR AN F-R-T-N-F RESIDENTIAL TRANSITION. SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 595, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT. IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF ELSIE FAYE, HIGGINS STREET, SOUTHWEST OF MYRTLE STREET, WHICH IS ALSO, UM, BAYER STREET, A LITTLE, UH, FURTHER NORTH, NORTH OF THIS SITE, AND I THINK SOUTH AS WELL. [05:10:01] UM, IT'S APPROXIMATELY, IT'S JUST OVER 6,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS KIND OF IMPORTANT TO THE ZONING HERE. UM, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY IS WHERE THAT STAR IS REAL CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN IN THE FAIR PARK AREA, OBVIOUSLY. UM, THE AERIAL MAP IS HERE ON THE LEFT AND THE ZONING MAP IS ON THE RIGHT. UM, SO ONCE AGAIN, IT'S WITHIN THE R FIVE SUBDISTRICT OF PD 5 95 THERE. UM, THERE SEEMED TO BE SOME EVIDENCE OF SOME HISTORIC DUPLEXES ON THE SAME BLOCK, BUT, UM, I COULDN'T QUITE TELL EXACTLY WHERE THEY WERE AT. SOME OF THEM HAD TWO FRONT DOORS, UM, BUT I JUST PUT SINGLE FAMILY ON THE MAP HERE. UM, THERE WAS ALSO SOME UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH IN THE MF MF ONE A SUBDISTRICT. THERE'S ALSO SOME VERY MODERN, UH, RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED DUPLEXES FURTHER TO THE WEST. AND I'LL GET BACK TO THE AERIAL IN A MINUTE, IN A LATER SLIDE. UM, SO YES. SO IN 2012, A DEMOLITION PERMIT WAS COMPLETED TO, FOR THE REMOVAL OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THE SUBJECT SITE, ACCORDING TO THE PERMANENT RECORDS. AND THE PURPOSE, UM, IS THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO CONSTRUCT A DUPLEX, I'M SORRY, IT WAS, OR, OR ORIGINALLY APP APPLIED FOR A TH THREE. BUT WE TALKED TO THE APPLICANT AND WE ARE NOW, THEY NOW REQUEST AN RTN. SO THAT'S AN OLD, UH, TYPO, OOPS, SITE VISIT PHOTOS. UM, THIS IS A SITE, IT'S LIKE I SAID, UNDEVELOPED. UM, THEY HAD THEIR SIGN PROPERLY POSTED WHEN I WAS OUT ON THE SITE VISIT. SURROUNDING LAND USES, I'M STARTING FROM THE NORTH HERE AT THE CORNER OF MYRTLE OR BEAR AND, UM, ELFA HIGGINS. UM, THEY HAVE A NICE LITTLE CORNER PARK HERE THAT SAYS BEAR STREET VILLAGE. AND, UM, ON THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE, THE EASTERN NORTH OR THE NORTHERN MOST STRUCTURE ON THE BLOCK IS REALLY NOT VERY FAR FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE. UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT THERE'S REALLY JUST AREA FOR A STOOP IN BETWEEN THAT FACADE AND PROBABLY WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS, WHICH IS PROBABLY APPROXIMATELY AT THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT SIDEWALK. IN WALKING DOWN THE STREET HERE, YOU'LL SEE, UM, THERE'S NO SIDEWALK, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE APPROXIMATELY WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS APPROXIMATELY. I, I KINDA LOOK AT, SEE WHERE THE, THIS TRASH CAN IS. THIS IS WHERE I THINK THE PROPERTY LINES PROBABLY ARE. UM, SO AGAIN, NOT THAT FAR. UM, THE EXISTING ZONING WOULD REQUIRE A 20 FOOT SETBACK. UM, HERE'S ANOTHER LOOK NOW LOOKING THE OPPOSITE WAY. THIS UNDEVELOPED LOT RIGHT HERE, I BELIEVE IS THE SUBJECT SITE IN THE FOREGROUND. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, USUALLY THE END OF THE DRIVER APPROACHES IS WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE PORCHES AND THEY'RE REALLY NOT FAR FROM THAT RIGHT OF WAY LINE AND LOOKING THE OTHER DIRECTION STILL IN THE SAME BLOCK. UM, YOU COULD SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE OLDER HOMES HAVE PORCHES AND PITCHED ROOFS, AND THEY'RE NOT VERY FAR FROM THE FRONT YARD. THIS IS LOOKING ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE TO THE WEST. THESE ARE THE MORE MODERN DUPLEXES THAT WERE, I DON'T KNOW, WHEN THEY WERE CONSTRUCTED, BUT MUCH LATER AFTER THE OTHER HOUSES WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT ON THE SAME BLACK FACE. AND THERE'S SOME UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY TO THE NORTHWEST. AND, UH, WE ARE NOW ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE SITE ON LAWRENCE, AND I THINK THESE WERE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES OVER HERE. SO THIS IS A TABLE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE EXISTING IN THE PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICTS. UM, SOME HIGHLIGHTS HERE, WE HAVE THE FRONT YARD SETBACK OF THE EXISTING ZONING IS 20 FEET. BUT AS I WAS TRYING TO POINT OUT IN THE SLIDES, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF NON-CONFORMING SETBACKS. UM, WITH ON THE BLOCK TO THAT 20 FOOT SETBACK, 20 FEET, YOU COULD USUALLY FIT ABOUT A CAR AND IT LOOKED CLOSER THAN 20 FEET. AND, UH, THE PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICT, THE FR UH, THE RESIDENTIAL TRANSITION BASE, WHICH IS A FORM-BASED ZONING DISTRICT, IT HAS A MINIMUM, UH, SETBACK OF 15 FEET FOR A MANOR HOUSE, WHICH IS A DEVELOPMENT TYPE THAT WOULD ALLOW A DUPLEX, WHICH IS WHAT THEY [05:15:01] WANT TO DO. AND LET'S SEE, SIDE AND IN REGARD, SETBACK IS PRETTY COMPARABLE TO THE EXISTING ZONING. UM, THE MINIMUM LOT AREA FOR DUPLEX IN THE PROPOSED FR N-F-R-T-N DISTRICT, UM, IS 6,000 SQUARE FEET, UM, FOR, FOR BOTH UNITS. AND I HAD SOME OTHER STUFF HERE, BUT REALLY THEY CAN'T DO ANY MORE THAN TWO UNITS ON THE SITE. SO I STRUCK OUT THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ALLOWED. AND, UM, THEY COULD DO A SINGLE FAMILY, UM, THEY COULD TECHNICALLY DO A CIVIC USE LIKE A CHURCH, UM, BUT THEY WOULD NEED 3000 SQUARE FEET FOR THAT MINIMUM LOT AREA. UM, ALSO FOR THE HEIGHT, UM, THE R FIVE DISTRICT ALLOWS 30 FEET IN HEIGHT, UH, BUT IT DOES NOT RESTRICT STORIES. AND THE RTN SUBDISTRICT WOULD, UM, RESTRICT STORIES TO TWO AND A HALF STORIES. THAT HALF STORY COULD BE AN ATTIC STORY AND A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 35 FEET LOT COVERAGE, UM, COULD BE UP TO 60%. AND, UM, AND THAT WAS JUST A LIST OF THE TYPICAL USES YOU'LL FIND, BUT AGAIN, IT'S PRETTY CON IT'S NOT THAT FAR OFF OTHER THAN IT ALLOWS A DUPLEX AS COMPARED TO THE EXISTING ZONING. UM, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO FOCUS ON THE SETBACKS ONE MORE TIME. I WAS OKAY. I I WILL, I WILL PREFACE THIS, THIS SLIDE AS THESE YELLOW LINES HERE ARE LAYERS THAT DCA PUTS ON AND THE A AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS ARE A, A DIFFERENT LAYER AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY RIGHT. SO IT IS NOT A SURVEY BY ANY MEANS, BUT IT'S JUST SORT OF A, YOU CAN COMPARE, UM, KIND OF THE IMAGES. SO, UM, AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS, IT LOOKS LIKE ON THIS SIDE OF THE BLOCK, UM, ON LC, FA HIGGINS, UH, THE EXISTING STRUCTURES ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE. AS I SAID BEFORE, UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, THEY LOOK TO BE MUCH FURTHER. UM, THIS, THIS LOT DOWN HERE LOOKS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, CONTEMPORARY. AND YOU'LL NOTICE IT HAS A LARGER FRONT YARD. SO I WAS ESTIMATING THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 20 FEET AND THAT MIGHT BE 10 FEET OR SO. AND, UM, THESE HAD PORCHES SO THEY COULD BE EVEN CLOSER. UM, LET'S SEE. SO THAT'S AN ESTIMATE ABOUT 10, 15 FEET AND THE BLUE LINE WOULD BE ABOUT 20 FEET. AGAIN, ROUGH ESTIMATES HERE. UM, SO I'M BACK ON ON THIS SLIDE JUST TO SHOW YOU. UM, I'M GONNA GO INTO THE, THE REGULATIONS THAT FORM DISTRICT ZONING KIND OF INTRODUCES, IT GETS A LOT OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT, UM, IT'S JUST ALREADY BAKED INTO THE FORM DISTRICT CODE. IT HAS A MAXIMUM BLANK WALL AREA OF 30 FEET. UM, HAS SOME TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS, UM, FOR THE UPPER STORIES AND GROUND STORIES ON A PRIMARY STREET. LET'S SEE IF THIS NEXT ONE HAS IT. UM, IT ALSO REQUIRES A, UH, A PRIMARY ENTRANCE, BUILDING ENTRANCE ON THE PRIMARY STREET, UM, FOR EACH UNIT. AND IT ALSO HAS SOME RESTRICTIONS IF THERE'S NO ALLEY PROVIDED ON GARAGES, IF THERE IS AN ALLEY PROVIDED, THEN IT SAYS YOU MUST ACCESS THE LOT, UM, THROUGH THE ALLEY, WHICH IS PROBABLY A REASON WHY LOTS OF THAT. UH, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF RTN DISTRICTS IN THE CITY BECAUSE IF YOU'RE ACCESSING A LOT, UH, THROUGH YOUR ALLEY, YOU HAVE TO PAVE IT. BUT THERE IS NO ALLEY ON THIS, UH, PARTICULAR PROPERTY. SO, UM, WHEN THERE'S NO ALLEY PROVIDED, THEY HAVE TO, IT SAYS I GOTTA MOVE THIS WINDOW SO I COULD READ IT. UM, WHEN AN ALLEY IS NOT PROVIDED OR DEVELOPED, STREET FACING GARAGES MAY BE POSITIONED AS SET FORTH BELOW. IF THE GARAGE IS LESS THAN 20 FEET FROM THE STREET, AN AUTOMATIC GARAGE DOOR OPENER IS REQUIRED. SO IT CAN BE ERECTED LESS THAN 20 FEET. UM, SO THEY COULD EITHER SET IT BACK, THEY COULD BE SIDE LOADED, UM, IT COULD BE FLUSH, BUT YOU COULD, THEY CANNOT TAKE UP MORE THAN 30, 30% OF THE FACADE, THE WIDTH OF THE FRONT WALL, UM, OR IT COULD BE DETACHED. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF LACKING IN OUR CURRENT DUPLEX DISTRICTS IS REGULATING GARAGES AND FACADES. UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE MANOR HOUSE DEVELOPMENT, UM, [05:20:01] IN THE RTN DISTRICT. CAN'T GET IT TO. THERE WE GO. UM, LASTLY, I I PUT IN A SLIDE OF THE FORWARD DALLAS POLICE TYPE. THIS ONE IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE DISTRICT. I DID TALK WITH, UH, PATRICK BLADES ABOUT THIS AND, UH, HE, HE DIDN'T SEEM TO OBJECT TO THE PROPOSAL. SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE USE OF THE RTN SUBDISTRICT ON A ONE ON ONE LOT SANDWICHED IN BETWEEN TWO SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. 'CAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE USE OF THE RTN SUBDISTRICT IS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A TRANSITION, LIKE A HALF BLOCK TRANSITION BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY AND, UM, MORE INTENSE ZONING. SO WHAT WAS DRIVING, I MEAN, THE, THE, UM, REPORT ALLUDES TO THE FACT THAT THE ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS FOR TH THREE FOR A DUPLEX. SO WHAT IS DICTATING THE DECISION TO GO WITH R 10? UM, THE TH DISTRICT DOESN'T HAVE ANY DESIGN STANDARDS FOR DUPLEXES. UM, IT WOULD ALSO, UH, REQUIRE THAT THE FRONT YARD SETBACK BE, UM, CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE BLOCK AT, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST PER ZONING, WHICH WOULD BE 20 FEET. SO IF IT WAS DEVELOPED AS A TH VARIETY OF A DISTRICT, IT WOULD BE SET BACK 20 FEET. THERE WOULD BE NO DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE A MORE COMPATIBLE DESIGN FOR THE DUPLEX. UM, ALSO THE PROPERTY, THE PROPERTIES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF LC FA HIGGINS ARE MF ONE ZONING DISTRICTS. SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A TRANSITION. I THINK THE CODE SAYS IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST A HALF OF A BLOCK DEPTH TO TRANSITION. SO IF IT'S GOING FROM MULTIFAMILY TO SINGLE FAMILY IN THE BACK, THEN IT IS SOMEWHAT OF A TRANSITION GOING. NOW, BLOCK FACE NORTHWEST TO NORTHEAST BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY IS GOING TO DICTATE A 20 FOOT SETBACK HERE. CORRECT. FRONT YARD SETBACK. IT IS NOT A PLAN FOR DISTRICTS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO OTHER THAN THAT, WAS IT THE PARKING SITUATION THAT WAS DRIVING THE DECISION? THAT THE PARKING, PARKING SITUATION, YES. THAT THERE'D BE A REQUIREMENT FOR ONE FEWER PARKING SPACE? OH, ONE FEWER PARKING SPACE? OH, NO, I, I THINK THE CODE REQUIRES 1.85 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING REALLY STRANGE FROM WHAT I CAN RECALL. UM, IT KIND OF, IT HAD MORE TO DO WITH THIS. LET'S SEE. I HATE TO LIKE, MAKE Y'ALL DIZZY. MAYBE I CAN GET TO THIS SLIDE HERE THIS WAY, THIS, THAT IT HAS MORE APPROPRIATE GARAGE STANDARDS THAN WHAT THE TH DISTRICT WOULD ALLOW. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . COMMISSIONER, WE THERE, UM, WHEN MS. MAY, WHEN SPEAKING WITH PATRICK AND LINDSAY, WHO IS, UM, THE, UH, DESIGNATED PLANNERS FOR THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA PLAN AS IT RELATES TO DESIGN STANDARDS, WOULD THIS BE CLOSER TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE LOOKING AT BASED OFF OF THE FEEDBACK FROM THEM TOO? FROM, UM, PATRICK AND LINDSAY? I, I DON'T THINK THEY FOCUSED TOO DEEPLY ON THIS PARTICULAR LOT, BUT I DID TALK TO PATRICK A FEW TIMES TO MAKE SURE THAT, OH, THERE HE IS. PATRICK'S HERE. GREAT. PATRICK , THANK YOU. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, YES TO COMMISSIONER. MY, SORRY. MY NAME IS PATRICK BLADES. I'M CHIEF PLANNER FOR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY PLANNING. UM, GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, UM, CITY SECRETARY, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UH, YES TO COMMISSIONER. UM, WHEELER'S QUESTION, UM, IF YOU RECALL, UH, FOR, FOR FOR EVERYONE ON THE COMMISSION WHEN WE BRIEFED YOU ABOUT THE SOUTH DOS FAIR PARK AREA PLAN, WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING DESIGN STANDARDS FOR DUPLEXES THAT TALKED ABOUT PORCHES IN THE FRONT GARAGE IN THE BACK, MAXIMUM TWO STORIES PITCHED ROOF IN A MINIMAL DRIVEWAY. WE DON'T HAVE THAT TOOL YET IN SOUTH DALLAS. AND SO IN SPEAKING WITH MS. MAY, THIS WAS THE CLOSEST TOOL THAT COULD KIND OF, SORT OF, KIND OF, KIND OF MIRROR WHAT SOUTH DALLAS HAD ASKED FOR OF WE'RE OKAY WITH DUPLEXES AS LONG AS IT LOOKS LIKE A HOUSE THAT JUST HAS TWO FRONT DOORS. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE GOT TO, UM, OF THE, UM, UH, A CLOSE ENOUGH PROXY TO THOSE CONVERSATIONS. UM, IT'S STILL NOT EXACTLY WHAT IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, WHAT, WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS ARTICULATED, BUT IT'S BEEN THE CLOSEST THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THERE WITH, WITH OUR CURRENT TOOLS [05:25:01] . UM, AND WHAT ARE YOU ALSO FINDING THAT, UM, I KNOW MS. MAYES WAS REFERRING TO THE SETBACKS BARELY BEING SETBACK THAT MULTIPLE OF OUR STREETS IN SOUTH DALLAS, ESPECIALLY THOSE MAIN ONES, FOR SOME REASON, THE, THE SETBACKS, UM, MIGHT SAY 20, 25 FEET, BUT THEY, AND THEY'RE NONCONFORMING, BUT, UM, THAT THEY ARE CLOSER TO THE STREET. BUT THE DRIVEWAYS, INSTEAD OF HAVING FRONT DRIVEWAYS AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, IS MORE ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. AND SO IT KINDA MAKES UP FOR, THE CAR IS NOT NECESSARILY GONNA BE PARKED IN THE FRONT YARD BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE PARKED ON THE SIDE, UH, GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. Y YES, THAT INSTEAD OF THE NEWER DEVELOPMENT STYLE, UM, WHICH IS GONNA BE ON A 50 FOOT WIDE LOT, YOU PUT A 20 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY, UM, THAT MOST OF THE HOMES IN SOUTH DALLAS, ESPECIALLY THE OLDER ONES, HAVE THAT DRIVEWAY THAT'S 10 FEET AND IT'S ON ONE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO THE O OR THE OTHER. AND THAT EITHER GOES TO AN ATTACHED GARAGE ON THE SIDE OR GOES TO AN ATTACHED GARAGE IN THE BACK. AND AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE, UH, MS. MAYS TALKING ABOUT THAT GARAGE PLACEMENT OF THE RT AND SUBDISTRICT THAT IT, IT KI IT GETS THERE THE CLOSEST TO WHAT WE HAVE, UM, WITHIN OUR TOOLBOX IN THE MOMENT. OKAY. AND, UM, I DON'T, I'M SO SORRY. I, PATRICK HAS DONE SUCH AN AMAZING JOB WITH US , UM, AND, AND, AND DOES THIS CLARIFY FOR SOMEONE AS WE ARE LOOKING TO PRESERVE OUR OLDER HOMES, THIS KIND OF, THESE KIND OF BLOCKS WE WANNA PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO, SO WE DON'T LEAD THE CHARACTER OF, OF SOUTH DALLAS, EVEN THOUGH THAT THE ZONING, UM, REGULATIONS FOR SETBACKS HAND, UM, CAUSE SOME BLOCK FRONT CONTINUITY ISSUES, BUT WE WANT TO KEEP THE CHARACTER AND, AND LOOK AND FIND A TOOL KIT TO FIX THIS. Y YEAH, SO AGAIN, IT'S THE, IF WE'RE TR WHAT WE HEARD FROM THIS COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN SOUTH DALLAS WAS KEEPING THE, WITH THE, THE LIKE CERTAIN CHARACTER AND COMMUNITY THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE THERE, UM, THE UNDERLYING ZONING, WE DON'T HAVE THE BEST TOOL TO TO, TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW. THIS IS THE BEST PROXY FOR THE TOOL THAT WE HAVE OF, OKAY, IF, IF WE KNOW WE NEED MORE HOUSING IN SOUTH DALLAS, AND IF THIS IS A GOOD OPTION ON THIS LOCATION, CAN WE MAKE THE DESIGN OF IT MORE CONDUCIVE TO THE, TO THE COMMUNITY THAT'S AROUND THERE THAT'S EXISTING, AS OPPOSED TO JUST DROPPING IN A DUPLEX WITH A GIANT DRIVEWAY AND, YOU KNOW, GIANT GARAGES. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. UM, I THINK IF I'VE FOLLOWED ALL THE DISCUSSION, I, IT SOUNDS LIKE WITH THE GENESIS OF THE FORM DISTRICT WAS TO HELP BRING FORWARD SOME DESIGN STANDARDS. WE DON'T REALLY QUITE HAVE THAT TOOL YET. THIS IS A WAY TO GET THERE, I GUESS. AND I SEE THAT FORM DISTRICTS ARE ALLOWED WITHIN 5, 9 5. THE THING I JUST, AND I'M CHANNELING A FORMER COMMISSIONER HERE, PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE FORM DISTRICTS IS THAT THERE'S A, UM, DENSITY REQUIREMENT. SO AS STAFF EVALUATED THIS, DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH THE OVERALL PD 5 95 IS WHAT CREATES THE DENSITY THRESHOLD? I I MEAN, THE CHANGE IN DENSITY IS JUST ONE MORE UNIT FOR THIS LOT THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED. SO LET'S SEE. I MEAN, SINCE MULTIFAMILY, THE, THERE'S A MULTIFAMILY SUBDISTRICT ON THE OTHER SIDE. I KNOW IT'S MOSTLY UNDEVELOPED, BUT YEAH, I GUESS I'M, THE POTENTIAL IS HIGHER, I SUPPOSE WELL, AND I, I WILL BE ONE WHO WILL FULLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I STARTED A FORMED DISTRICT ALONG A BLOCK FACE, BUT IT HAD OTHER SURROUNDING DENSITY THAT HELPED INFORM THAT CONSIDERATION. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR FORM CODE MM-HMM . AND THAT WE, UM, ARE THINKING OF THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT. AND I, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER ASKED A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE THE, THE TREND HAD BEEN TO UTILIZE TH OR SOME OF OUR OTHER DISTRICTS THAT ARE, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO ACHIEVE THE SAME GOAL. WE'RE USING A DIFFERENT TOOL NOW. AND AGAIN, WHERE I KIND OF STARTED THIS, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE GENESIS WAS TO TRY TO LOOK AHEAD TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS. OKAY. I JUST MAKE SURE I GOT ALL THAT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU CHANNELING MR. COMMISSIONER EMMONDS. OH, OKAY. MR. RUBIN, I UNDERSTAND THAT IN THE, JUST THE BASE CODE, I GUESS ARTICLE 13, THERE'S THE CRITICAL MASS REQUIREMENT FOR, FOR FORM-BASED DISTRICTS. IS THAT RIGHT? I KNOW THEY, THAT WE IN THE PAST HAVE SAID THAT A LOT. UH, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I WAS LOOKING AT THAT PARTICULAR THING, BUT [05:30:01] ALSO TO MENTION THAT PD 5 95 IS REALLY CLOSE TO, UM, LIGHT RAIL AND OBVIOUSLY FAIR PARK AND YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T THINK IT'S, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME RURAL AREA OUT OR ANYTHING. SO I THINK IT IS FITTING IN AN URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE FORM-BASED ZONING. AND UM, I KNOW YOU PROBABLY HAVEN'T REVIEWED THE ENTIRETY OF PD 9 5 5 9 5, BUT IS THERE A CRITICAL MASS REQUIREMENT IN PD 5 95 FOR FORM-BASED DISTRICTS? NO. OKAY. I THINK IT'S, IF I READ CORRECTLY, THESE SUBJECTS SHOULD BE LOCATED IN PROXIMITY TO REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION SUCH AS RAIL, LIGHT RAIL FREEWAYS, AND MAJOR THOROUGH AFFAIRS. CORRECT. SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. AND I'M NOT SURE THE DISTANCE FROM THE RAIL, BUT THERE'S A BUS LINE THAT RUNS RIGHT UP AND DOWN LC FAY HAGGINS, CORRECT? MM-HMM . YES. OKAY. IT, THANKS. ISN'T THERE ALSO A HATCHER STATION? YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A HATCHER STATION WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE. YES. COMMISSIONER WHEELER. UM, WHICH, UM, I KNOW THERE IS SOME OF THE DENSITY MIGHT BE ASKING, UM, IS, IS THIS ONE OF THOSE STREETS THAT DOES HAVE QUITE A BIT, THERE'S, WOULD YOU SAY THERE'S PROBABLY MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? NO MORE DUPLEXES ON THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK FROM I SAY MYRTLE TO SM WRIGHT THAN IN OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? UM, UM, YES. WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO, AND ALSO APARTMENT COMPLEX LOOK REALLY DETAILED AT SOME OF THESE, UM, HOUSES, SOME OF THEM DID APPEAR TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE FRONT DOOR. SO MAYBE THEY WERE ORIGINALLY DUPLEXES, YOU KNOW, WHEN OUR ZONING WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED IN 1929 IN THE CITY, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, IT, WE HAD RESIDENTIAL AND APARTMENT DISTRICT RESIDENTIAL ALLOWED SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX. SO THAT'S WHY A LOT OF OUR REALLY OLD NEIGHBORHOODS KIND OF HAVE A MIX OF DUPLEX AND SINGLE FAMILY IN. WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU BE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE, UM, CLOSE TO THE FIRE STATION THAT'S IN BETWEEN, UH, CROSIER AND SM CROSIER AND LATIMER STREET THAT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE, YOU WANNA KNOW, I MEAN, WERE YOU WANTING TO KNOW WHETHER DUPLEXES AND IF SO YES, THEY ARE. I MIGHT HAVE TO REFER TO PATRICK. THEY ARE DUPLEXES. , GW WORKS. , YEAH. SO, UM, AND AGAIN, WE'LL DEFER TO, UH, THE COMMISSIONER'S KNOWLEDGE OF THE AREA. UH, BUT IN OUR OUTREACH, UM, AS PART OF THE AREA PLAN, WHICH IS ALSO INCORPORATED INTO FORWARD DALLAS, UM, THIS PART OF SE FAY HIGGINS, UH, WAS NOT IDENTIFIED AS LIKE A HIGH INTENSITY AREA. NOT AN AREA THAT YOU WOULD HAVE, UH, MID OR HIGH RISE, BUT IT IS AN AREA THAT DOES HAVE NOT JUST SINGLE FAMILY ON IT, THAT IT DOES HAVE DUPLEXES, IT DOES HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL THAT DOES HAVE SOME, UM, EVEN IT'S A MULTIFAMILY. AND SO THAT'S WHY, UM, ON THE, THE PLACE TYPE MAP WHERE IT'S BROWN TO SAY IT'S AN AREA THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR SINGLE FAMILY, FOR DUPLEXES AND FOR COMMERCIAL, UM, BUT NOT FOR MORE INTENSIVE USES. AND DO YOU FEEL, PATRICK, THAT THIS IS THIS PARTICULAR, UH, ZONING TYPE, UM, RESIDENTIAL TRANSITION? UM, THE SUBDISTRICT KINDA CURRENTLY KINDA MEETS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T SEE ALREADY IN PD 5 95? UH, THE, I WOULD SAY IT'S THE CLOSEST ONE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. CAN WE PLEASE GET THAT RIGHT IN AND WE CAN GO TO THE HEARING PLEASE? YEAH, I'LL JUST READ IT FROM HERE. UM, ITEM 17 IS Z 2 45 103, AN APPLICATION FOR AN F-R-T-N-F RESIDENTIAL TRANSITION SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF LC, FA HIGGINS STREET, SOUTHWEST OF BEAR STREET STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. THANK YOU. I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON SIR. PRESS THE LITTLE BUTTON THERE. HI. HI. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. ALL THE COMMISSIONERS. UM, SO THANK YOU MS. MAY FOR DOING THE PRESENTATION. UM, SO JUST WOULD LIKE TO JUST ECHO WHAT, WHAT MS. MAY JUST SAID, THAT IT'S JUST, UH, THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST A, A ZONE CHANGE FOR, UM, A A SOMEWHERE WE CAN BUILD A, A DUPLEX. AND THIS SEEMS LIKE, UH, THE TRANSITIONAL DISTRICT SEEMS LIKE A, A BETTER PLAN THAT WAS SUGGESTED AND, UH, WOULD LIKE TO JUST, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, BUILD DUPLEX HOUSES THERE. AND UM, AND THEN, AND THIS WILL BE, UH, [05:35:01] UH, FOR, THIS WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE, UH, MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS OPPOSED TO IF I, YOU KNOW, THERE'D BE A COUPLE OF OTHER HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT HERE, SOLD FOR LIKE 400 K OR ABOVE. SO SINCE WE'LL HAVE A DUPLEX, THE, THE PRICE RANGE WOULD BE AROUND TWO 20 K EACH. SO THAT THIS IS, UH, THE GOAL FOR, FOR US TO, TO BUILD, UM, AND PROVIDE, UH, KIND OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS WELL. UM, AND, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER, ER, WAS THERE ANY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY? UH, I'M SORRY. WAS WAS THERE ANY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY? UM, I, I THINK WE, WE HAD ONE ENGAGEMENT IN, UM, IN EXCEPT X LANE. UM, UM, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, HAD ONE MEETING SOUTH. OKAY. UH, AND WE ANSWERED QUESTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY THERE. DO DID YOU BRING THE DESIGN THAT YOU CAME UP WITH? I DID, PRESENTED THE DESIGN BASED ON, UH, LIKE A DUPLEX. I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY, UH, DIFFERENT THAN WHAT, WHAT MS. MAY I THINK JUST, JUST RECOMMENDED HERE. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO MY, MY DESIGN TO, TO, TO DESIGN THE, THE, THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE ONE THAT I, I SHARED THERE IN THE MEETING WAS MORE OF A DUPLEX WHERE THE GARAGE IS FRONT TWO GARAGES SEPARATELY. SO I THINK THAT THE, THE DESIGN I, I PRESENTED IN THAT MEETING WAS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN, THAN, THAN THAT WHAT IS ALLOWED HERE, I BELIEVE. UM, THE NEW ONE THAT YOU SHOWED, WAS IT NOT, WAS THE GARAGE SET BACK? SOME THAT WAS THE, THE FRONT SIDE? YEAH. AND THEY WERE, BUT THEY WERE SET BACK. OH, IT WAS SETBACK WAS 20. SO THE, NOT THE SETBACK FOR THE TOTAL PROPERTY, BUT THE SETBACK FOR EACH GARAGE. WAS IT SETBACK? UH, I BELIEVE SO, YES. YES. YOU, YOU, WHEN YOU REVISED IT, YOU SET THE GARAGE BACK FURTHER THAN THE ACTUAL FRONT PORCH? YEAH. AM I CORRECT? OKAY. UM, WISH YOU WOULD'VE SENT THAT. IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN SEND WHAT YOU, YOU ALREADY SHOWED, I MEAN, WHAT YOU SHOWED US THE LAST, THE LAST ONE THAT YOU WENT BACK ON THE DRAWING BOARD WHERE YOU MOVED THE GARAGES TO THE END. UH, I DIDN'T FOLLOW THE QUESTION. THE LAST, THE LAST, UM, UM, THE LAST, UH, PHOTO THAT YOU SENT US WHERE YOU WERE MOVING THE GARAGE TO THE EDGE OF THE HOUSE INSTEAD OF IN THE MIDDLE. DO YOU HAVE THAT? YEAH, I DO HAVE THAT FLOOR PLAN. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN SEND IT, EMAIL IT TO STAFF, UH, STAFF? I, I CAN SEND IT TO MS. MAY. UH, YEAH, CAN YOU DO THAT? UM, BUT OVERALL WAS THE COMMUNITY THOSE, WHAT WAS THE MINOR? DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE MINOR THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY KINDA ASKED YOU TO CHANGE? YEAH, THEY WERE REALLY INTO THE PORCHES, UM, THAT THEY WANTED TO HAVE THE, THE, THE AESTHETICS TO LOOK SIMILAR TO THE OTHER HOUSES, BUT IT'S, WHEN I WALKED AROUND, IT'S LIKE THE DUPLEXES ACROSS THE STREET, THEY'RE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PORCHES. BUT I DID ACCOMMODATE AS MUCH AS WE COULD TO HAVE I THINK, UH, 10, 10 FEET OF PORCH, UH, WITH THE, THE, THE MODIFIED DESIGN. DO YOU KNOW THAT IS THE REASON WHY THE COMMUNITY ASKED YOU THAT? SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? WERE YOU AWARE THAT IS THE REASON WHY THE COMMUNITY ASKED YOU IF YOU WOULD MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT? BECAUSE OF, OF WHAT, WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET? UM, THEY, THEY WANTED TO HAVE A AESTHETIC OF HAVING A PORSCHE. I THINK, I DON'T KNOW THE, THE LOGIC BEHIND THE, THE, BUT COMMUNITY WAS, I THINK PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY THAT WAS AT THE MEETING THERE REQUESTED TO HAVE A PORCH, FRONT PORCH AND GARAGES SIT BACK. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. YEAH, I I CAN DEFINITELY FORWARD THAT THE PICTURE BASED SO YOU CAN FORWARD IT TO US. SURE. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEN NONE, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I I DO I NEED TO ASK MS. MAY ONE QUESTION MS. MAYS. SO HE, THE ORIGINALLY, UM, I KNOW DID HE SHOW YOU A SKETCH OF WHAT HE WAS PUTTING LEE WAS DOING? UM, AND I THINK HIS CONCERN MAY BE THAT HOW FAR BACK HE NEEDS TO PUT THOSE GARAGES TO SET, SET BACK, BECAUSE AGAIN, BECAUSE HE'S DOING A DUPLEX, HE WON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF WHAT THE OTHER HOUSES HAVE WITH THE SIDE DRIVEWAYS. UM, HIS DRIVEWAYS WOULD BE ACTUALLY OFF THE FRONT MORE LIKE THE, THE MOST RECENT HOUSE ON THAT BLOCK, WHICH IS UM, HAS DOES HAVE A DRIVEWAY AND IT SET BACK A LITTLE FURTHER. I THINK THAT HE WANTED TO SET IT BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. DID YOU, WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE THAT OR HE NEEDS TO GET WITH YOU ABOUT THAT? I THINK HE HAD SOME ILLUSTRATIVE PLANS WITH THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY FOR A TH THREE DISTRICT. UM, BUT SINCE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT RTNI DIDN'T MEMORIZE THE PLAN TOO WELL. UM, HE CAN STILL FOR SURE [05:40:01] SET THE GARAGES FURTHER BACK, UM, IN THE NEW, IN IN AN RTN ZONING DISTRICT. IT'S JUST, IF IT'S GOING TO BE FLUSH WITH A FRONT FACADE, IT COULD ONLY OCCUPY 30% OF THE WIDTH SO HE CAN SET IT BACK. I THINK IT'S CONCERNED, LOOKING AT THOSE PICTURES, IT LOOK LIKE THAT IT HAS TO, IT LOOKED LIKE IT ALMOST HAS TO BE SMALLER THAN THE REST OF THE HOUSE. MAYBE I'M CONFUSED AND THEY MIGHT BE CONCERNED. I GUESS YOU ALL HAVE WORKED THAT OUT, BUT YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, JUST WHEN IT'S FLUSH IT CAN BE IN THE BACK AND THEY CAN SIDE LOAD IT. UM, BUT THE, THE INTENTION OF THE DESIGN STANDARD IS TO NOT HAVE THE GARAGE TAKE UP THE WHOLE FRONT FACADE LIKE A LOT OF OUR MODERN DUPLEXES DO. MM-HMM . OKAY. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE KINDA DISCUSSED WITH HIM TO SET, SET THE, SET IT BACK FURTHER THAN THE FRONT PORCHES, WHICH GAVE HIM FRONT PORCHES AND THE SETBACK ON GARAGES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE HOUSE. IT WAS ORIGINALLY I BELIEVE. OKAY. ORIGINALLY I BELIEVE THAT HE WAS PUTTING THE GARAGES NEXT TO EACH OTHER, UM, AND I THINK HE SWITCHED THE DESIGN TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE'RE ASKING HIM TO. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION IN A MATTER OF Z 2 45 DASH 1 0 3. I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OVER APPROVAL. UM, AND YEAH, I WILL SECOND THAT. UM, COMMENTS PLEASE. MR. UH, NAER, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, UM, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, YOU HAD A PLEASANT MEETING . WE IN SOUTH DALLAS IS VERY OPINIONATED WHEN IT COMES TO DESIGN STANDARDS. UH, THERE'S NOT A LOT WE CAN DO, BUT WHEN WE EVER, WE HAVE A ZONING CASE LIKE THIS, WE'RE NOT AGAINST, UM, DUPLEXES. SO TRUST ME WHEN I TELL YOU THAT MEETING WAS VERY POSITIVE, I DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T SEEM THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT THAT. THEY JUST WANTED THOSE FEW DESIGN STANDARDS. UM, AND, AND YOUR DESIGN THAT YOU CAME WITH US WITH WAS AMAZING. UM, AND SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE IMMEDIATE APPROACH AND GOING BACK IN. YOU KNOW, WE, WE LOVE DEVELOPERS WHO WANT, WANNA WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY, UM, SO WE CAN MEET A MIDDLE GROUND. WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO MEET A MIDDLE GROUND. YOU GAVE US SO MUCH ALREADY TO WORK WITH UP FRONT. SO THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR BEING A BUILDER THAT IS THOUGHTFUL FOR, UH, IN YOUR PROCESS BEFORE EVEN HAVING TO COME TO THE COMMUNITY. IRE, APPRECIATE THAT AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORT AND HELPING ME. THANK YOU, SIR. IN THE RIGHT POSITION. APPRECIATE THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK AT 4 0 7 MANION. WE'RE MOVING ALONG. [18. 25-698A An application for a Specific Use Permit for a government installation other than listed, limited to a police facility, on property zoned MU-3 Mixed Use District, on the south line of Fondren Drive, west of Greenville Avenue.] UH, WE'LL GO TO CASE NUMBER 18 PLEASE, MS. MAY. OKAY, CASE 18 IS Z 2 4 5 1 10. AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A GOVERNMENT INSTALLATION OTHER THAN LISTED, LIMITED TO A POLICE FACILITY ON PROPERTY ZONED MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF FONDER DRIVE WEST OF GREENVILLE AVENUE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. KEISHA K MISSION RIDGE CONSULTANTS, PO BOX 2 6 0 2 0 3 PLANO, TEXAS 7 5 0 2 6. I DO WANNA SPEND JUST A FEW MINUTES TRYING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP IN THE BRIEFING. THANK YOU MS. MAY FOR THE INFORMATION SHARED IN THE BRIEFING AND THEN RESERVE THE REST OF MY TIME FOR ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. UM, THIS WILL, THIS IS PROPOSED TO BE A TRAIN A POLICE TRAINING FACILITY FOR THE TOWN OF UNIVERSITY PARK. UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING A INDOOR GUN RANGE AS WELL AS OTHER TRAINING COMPONENTS LIKE A CONFERENCE MEETING ROOM TO UM, HANDLE EDUCATIONAL CLASSES. THERE WILL BE A SMALL GYM WHERE THEY, UM, CAN WORK OUT BUT ALSO DO TACTICAL, UM, PERSONNEL TRAINING AND A BREAK ROOM. UM, AND THEN THEY WILL ALSO HAVE THEY, UM, SECURE EVIDENCE STORAGE HOUSED AT THIS FACILITY. UM, ASSUMING APPROVAL, I'VE GOT INFORMATION ON THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF THE GUN RANGE AS WELL, WELL AS ANY DECIBEL INFORMATION IF, IF WE WANT TO POTENTIALLY COVER THAT. UM, AND THEN I ALSO HAVE DETAILS ON, UM, STATE STANDARD TRAINING DATES SPECIFIC TO THE GUN RANGE IF WE WANTED TO GET INTO, UM, TIMING OF THAT AS WELL. UM, I ALSO WANTED TO STATE THAT THERE WAS A COMMENT IN THE BRIEFING ABOUT THE, UM, WATER TOWER SITE AND IF THAT COULD BE USED FOR PARKING. WE'VE ALREADY VETTED IT WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. UM, IT CAN'T BE USED FOR CITY OF DALLAS REQUIRED PARKING. UM, SO JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION THERE. UM, AND I WILL RESERVE THE REST OF MY TIME FOR ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR MS. KAY? COMMISSIONER HALL? UH, AS FAR AS THE GUN RANGE, [05:45:01] WILL IT BE HANDGUNS ONLY? IT WILL NOT BE. IT, IT'LL BE ALL, UM, FIREARMS THAT THE OFFICERS CARRY THAT HAVE TO BE QUALIFIED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS. THAT WOULD INCLUDE, UH, WHAT THEY CALL LONG GUNS OR, YES, SIR. OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? OH NO. COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, PLEASE, SIR. I, I'M REALLY JUST CURIOUS, BUT, AND WHEN YOU BUILD OUT A GUN RANGE LIKE THIS IS, IS, IS IT A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT TO BUILD IT OUT AND CREATE ALL THE SAFETY OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE BUILT QUICKLY AND DISMANTLED QUICKLY? UM, SO IT IS BASICALLY CONSTRUCTED AS A BUILDING WITHIN A BUILDING, UM, FOR BALLISTIC PROTECTION. UM, AND ALSO THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT THAT GOES INTO VENTILATION AND THE BULLET TRAP AREA FOR CLEANING OUT THE USE OF IT. UM, SO IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE AND IT'S NOT A PLUG IN PLAY SYSTEM, IT DOES HAVE TO BE FULLY CONSTRUCTED. UM, AND THAT IS BEING PROPOSED WITHIN THE EXISTING WALLS OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING BUILDING. MM-HMM . AND WOULD I BE CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT, UH, FROM A SOUND TRANSMISSION STANDPOINT, YOU COULD STAND SIX FEET OUTSIDE THE BUILDING, YOU WOULDN'T HEAR ANYTHING, RIGHT? CORRECT. AND IF YOU WANT MORE DETAIL ON THAT, I'VE BROKEN IT DOWN AS TO THE TYPE OF WALL CONSTRUCTION AND THE REDUCTION IN DECIBELS, UM, TO, I, I DON'T NEED MORE DETAIL THAN ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES MIGHT, BUT I DON'T. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO. AND, UH, THE CASE, UH, G 2 45 1 10. I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE FOLLOW THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SLEEPER FOR YOUR MOTION. I'LL SECOND IT. DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, I ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE OF FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS I'D TO OFFER. UM, NUMBER ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER, UM, THAT THE FACILITY NOT BE ALLOWED TO USE, BE USED FOR OUTDOOR TRAINING USES. NUMBER TWO, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT HOURS OF OPERATION, UM, I'M SORRY. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT IT NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A GUN RANGE. AND NUMBER THREE, I WOULD LIKE THE SUP TO BE FIVE YEARS WITH NO AUTOMATIC RENEWAL. AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE COMMENTS, OR IF, I'M SORRY, THAT WAS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. SO IF MR. SLEEPER WOULD CONSIDER ADOPTING THOSE, I I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOUR, UM, RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE A TERM LIMIT ON IT. AND, UH, I FORGET WHAT YOUR FIRST ONE WAS. THE, THE FIRST ONE WAS NO OUTDOOR TRAINING USES. RIGHT. I I, I, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL. I DON'T THINK I WOULD'VE ACCEPT THE, UH, DISALLOWANCE OF THE, THE GUN RANGE. OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THAT AN UNFRIENDLY AMENDMENT? THAT PIECE? I WOULD. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, YOU HAVE A QUESTION THERE? WELL, WE DIDN'T DISCUSS THE HOURS OF OPERATION. I, I DID, I I'M NOT SUGGESTING HOURS OF OPERATION AT THIS TIME. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'M SORRY. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR A SECOND FOR? WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THE, UM, DISALLOWING. A GUN RANGE. NO GUN RANGE. I'LL SECOND IT. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND DISCUSSION FOR THAT. COMMISSIONER. KINSTON? YES, I, I THINK WHERE ARE PUT A GUN RANGE NEEDS TO BE CAREFULLY CONSIDERED. THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS A GUN RANGE NOW THAT WE DO HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH. WE'RE BUILD, WE'RE BUILDING COP CITY, WHICH I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE UNIVERSITY PARK WANTS TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH OUR CITY. WE WOULD PROBABLY BE AMENABLE TO THAT. THIS LOCATION, I THINK IS PROBLEMATIC FOR A FEW REASONS. NUMBER ONE, IT'S CLOSE TO RESIDENTS. IT'S CLOSE TO A LOT OF STUDENT HOUSING. IT'S CLOSE TO THE SMU, IT'S CLOSE TO, UM, A LOT OF BUSINESSES, UM, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, DOGGY DAYCARES AND, UM, INDUSTRIAL, I'M SORRY, NOT INDUSTRIAL, UM, DESIGNER WAREHOUSES. AND THERE'S A CHURCH OVER THERE. THERE'S RESTAURANTS OVER THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES THAT I DON'T THINK ARE COMPATIBLE WITH, UH, A GUN RANGE NEARBY. AND IN ADDITION, THIS LAND [05:50:01] IS ZONE MU THREE AND IT'S RIGHT ON OUR LIGHT RAIL. WE OUGHT TO BE THINKING ABOUT THIS BEING WHERE WE BUILD HOUSING. I MEAN, IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT FORWARD DALLAS, IT MIGHT NOT BE WHERE WE PUT IT TODAY, WHICH IS WHY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANNA PUT A POLICE TRAINING FACILITY THERE AND THEY WANNA HAVE A GYM AND, AND SOME TACTICAL TRAINING AND EVIDENCE STORAGE FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME, MAYBE WE'RE NOT THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT FIVE YEARS OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW, THIS MIGHT BE AN IDEAL SITE TO HAVE SOME MID DENSITY OR HIGH DENSITY HOUSING AND ALLOWING THEM TO BUILD OUT A, A SHOOTING RANGE, NOT ONLY DO I THINK IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE FOR USE IN THE AREA TODAY, I THINK KIND OF HARD COMMITS THEM TO BEING IN THAT SPOT IN A LONG TERM PLACE. AND WHEN WE THINK ABOUT OUR LAND, THIS IS OUR CITY, AND LETTING ANOTHER CITY PUT THEIR LESS THAN IDEAL USE IN OUR CITY AND REDUCING OUR FLEXIBILITY TO HAVE HIGH OPPORTUNITY LAND RIGHT ON OUR RAIL STATION, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN CENTRAL MARKET AND MOCKINGBIRD STATION, WE'RE FORECLOSING OUR OPPORTUNITIES THERE IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. SO I I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ALLOW THEM TO HAVE A SHOOTING RANGE FOR BOTH ECONOMIC REASONS AND, AND PRACTICAL REASONS. UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY I MADE THE MOTION, UH, TO DISALLOW THEM TO HAVE A SHOOTING RANGE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHEELER. UM, AGAIN, I GUESS WE BACK IN AGREEMENT. SO, UM, COMMISSIONER HER HERBERT HAD THE SAME ISSUE, UM, BUILDING WHEN WE WERE BUILT WERE HOUSES WERE BEING BUILT IN HIS DISTRICT, UM, CLOSE TO THE, THE CITY OF DALLAS'S GUN RANGE. UM, AND SO NOT ONLY IS THIS SURROUNDED BY SMU, THIS IS TOO CLOSE TO OUR, OUR MAIN THOROUGH AFFAIRS THAT, UM, GOING INTO NORTH DALLAS. UM, I JUST THINK THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE THESE TYPE OF FACILITIES. I I THINK THAT IT IS NON NOT EVEN COMPATIBLE WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, IT'S ON A HIGH, IT'S ON AN AREA WHERE WE HAVE GREAT TRANSIT SYSTEM WALKABILITY, UM, RESTAURANTS. UM, DALLAS IS ABOUT TO BE LANDLOCKED, AND SO WE HAVE TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHERE THESE TYPE OF FACILITIES ARE AT. I THINK HIGHLAND PARK MIGHT NEED THIS. I MEAN, NOT HIGHLAND PARK, UNIVERSITY PARK MIGHT NEED THIS, MIGHT THEY MIGHT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THEY'RE LANDLOCKED. AND SO I UNDERSTAND GOING RIGHT ACROSS FROM THEM. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER HERBERT HAD THE SAME CONCERNS AND, AND IT WAS, IT HAD MORE SPACE AND WAS IN AN AREA THAT IT POSSIBLY COULD FIT. UM, BUT HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HOUSES BEING BUILT CLOSE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO IT. SO I WILL, UM, SUPPORT COMMISSIONER, UM, KINGSTON ON THIS ONE. MR. DREW? YEAH. UM, I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT. IT DOES RUB ME A LITTLE BIT THE WRONG WAY THAT UNIVERSITY PARK IS, IS CHOOSING TO PUT THIS IN IN DALLAS AS OPPOSED TO IN UNIVERSITY PARK, UM, PROPER. HOWEVER, I SEE THIS AS, YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT FROM, UM, THE GUN RANGE AND COMMISSIONER HERBERT'S DISTRICT, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT'S AN OUTDOOR GUN RANGE. UM, THIS IS GOING TO BE AN INDOOR GUN RANGE. UM, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, A GUN RANGE WHERE YOUR SECOND AMENDMENT ENTHUSIAST OF, FROM FAR AND WIDE MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME AND, UM, YOU KNOW, PRACTICE THEIR SHOOTING SKILLS OR WHATEVER ELSE ONE DOES AT A GUN RANGE. IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR THE CITY OF UNIVERSITY PARK, I BELIEVE, WHICH, UM, REDUCES MY CONCERN SIGNIFICANTLY. AND THE FACT THAT WE DO HAVE A FIVE YEAR SUP ON THIS, UM, I, I THINK ALLOWS US TO COME BACK AND REEVALUATE IT IN FIVE YEARS. UM, AND ONE OTHER RELEVANT FACTORS. THE CITY OF UNIVERSITY PARK ACTUALLY DOES OWN THIS LAND, SO IT, IT'S NOT LIKE IT, YOU KNOW, WILL NECESSARILY TURN OVER IMMEDIATELY. SO I DO UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENTS, BUT THAT I'M NOT SUPER HAPPY ABOUT IT. UM, BUT I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SORT SUPPORT THE MOTION. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, SLEEPER? WELL, I, I'LL CONFESS THAT I AM NOT A GUN RANGE PERSON, SO MAYBE I'M SPEAKING WITH SOME DEGREE OF NAIVETY, BUT, UM, I KNOW THE, THE, UH, UH, THE CITY OF UNIVERSITY PARK HAS HAD THIS LAND. MAYBE MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN TELL US HOW LONG HAS THE CITY OF UNIVERSITY PARK OWNED THIS PROPERTY? IT'S BEEN, UM, AT LEAST THREE [05:55:01] YEARS BECAUSE THE BOND PROGRAM TO DEDICATE FUNDS TO THIS GOT PASSED TWO YEARS AGO. UM, BUT I CAN PULL THAT EXACT DATE OFF DEC A THAT THAT'S CLOSE ENOUGH. UM, I USED TO OFFICE IN THIS AREA USED TO OWN PROPERTY, UM, IN, IN THIS AREA. AND, UM, WHILE I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER KINGSTON THAT LONG TERM, UH, WE'D LIKE TO SEE A HIGHER AND BETTER USE THERE, THAT'S MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THAT AREA. UH, THAT, AND THAT'S WHY I AGREED TO THE, UH, AMENDMENT TO, TO LIMIT THE TERM TO FIVE YEARS. BUT, UM, I, I'M, I I DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING COMPELLING THAT TELLS ME THAT THE FACT THAT THIS WOULD BE USED AS A GUN RANGE IS GONNA HAVE SPILLOVER EFFECTS. SO IF IF SOMEBODY KNOWS MORE ABOUT THAT THAN, THAN I DO AND, AND, AND WANTS TO ENLIGHTEN US, THEN THAT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT I I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, WITH THAT USE BEING INDOORS. THANK YOU. STICK AROUND. COMMISSIONER KEYS. I, I'LL JUST REMIND EVERYBODY. WE HAD A GUN RANGE EXPLODE ON MOCKINGBIRD A FEW YEARS AGO, COMMISSIONER WHEELER. UM, MY, MY MY CONCERN IS, UM, WE ARE A CITY THAT IS NEEDING TO THINK IN THE NEAR FUTURE. AND ALSO, UM, I WOULD HATE FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS TO BE IN ANOTHER CITY AND THEN GET APPROVED FOR SOMETHING AND USE THEIR CITY MONEY, THE, THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY AND THEN THE COUPLE YEARS DOWN THE LINE, THEN IT CHANGES AND THEN THAT MONEY SEEMS LIKE IT'S WENT TO WASTE. SO, UM, I FEEL LIKE THAT IF WE'RE VOTING ON THAT, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL SO THAT THEY CAN FIND ANOTHER WAY OR ANOTHER PLACE TO USE THAT BOND MONEY. UM, THEN THEY DO IT UP FRONT RIGHT NOW AND THEN THROUGH COUPLE, WHEN THE SUP EXPIRES, THEN WE COME BACK AND SAY, OH NO, WE, WE, WE HAVE CHANGES. SO MY THOUGHT PATTERN IS THAT, UM, THIS IS A CITY THEY'RE USING BOND MONEY, UM, THAT WE, WE, WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT IN THE FUTURE AND WE DON'T WANT THEM, I WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO WASTE THEIR MONEY, UH, THAT THEY CAN FIND OTHER PLACES TO CREATE THIS SPACE. SECOND ROUND VICE CHAIR RUBEN, I, I WOULD JUST SAY I, I, I HEAR YOUR CONCERN, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, BUT IF UNIVERSITY PARK DOESN'T LIKE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN TERMS OF THESE SEP CONDITIONS, THEY CAN ALWAYS DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE FOR NOW. SO, OKAY. WE HAVE A, THIS IS JUST ON THE, UH, UNFRIENDLY AMENDMENT. SO IT'S A SEPARATE MOTION OF, UH, ELIMINATING THE NOTE THE GUN RANGE. UH, STICK A RECORD ROAD ON THAT. YES. VOTE TO ELIMINATE IT? YES. A YES VOTE WOULD ELIMINATE DISTRICT ONE? NO. DISTRICT TWO, DISTRICT THREE? YES. DISTRICT FOUR? NO. DISTRICT FIVE? NO. DISTRICT SIX? YES. DISTRICT SEVEN? YES. DISTRICT EIGHT? YES. DISTRICT NINE? NO. DISTRICT 10? NO. DISTRICT 11? YES. DISTRICT 12? YES. DISTRICT 13, DISTRICT 14? YES. AND PLACE 15. NOW SEVEN. MOTION FAILS. UH, SO WE GO BACK TO, AND REMIND ME, THE TWO THAT WERE ACCEPTED WAS THE, THE FIVE YEAR NO AUTO, FIVE YEAR, NO AUTO AND NO OUTDOOR TRAINING USE AND NO OUTDOOR TRAINING USES. AND THOSE WERE ACCEPTED BY COMMISSIONER SLEEPER. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE A IS OKAY WITH THOSE TWO? OKAY. SO THEN WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, MAYBE COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, UH, SECOND BY MYSELF, UH, TO APPROVE THE SUP, BUT FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, NO AUTOMATIC RENEWAL, NO OUTDOOR TRAINING, AND SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. OH, WE HAVE TWO IN OPPOSITION. THREE IN OPPOSITION. TWO. COMMISSIONER, THREE, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, CARPENTER AND KINGSTON OPPOSITION POSITION. MOTION PASSES. WE'LL [19. 25-699A An application for an amendment to and a renewal of Specific Use Permit No. 2115 for an office showroom/warehouse on property zoned Subdistrict 2 within Planned Development No. 535, the C. F. Hawn Special Purpose District No. 3, on the north line of Rylie Crest Drive, east of South St. Augustine Drive.] GO TO NUMBER 19. UM, ITEM 19 IS Z 2 3 4 3 4 9. AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TWO. AND A RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2115 FOR AN OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE ON PROPERTY ZONE SUBDISTRICT TWO WITHIN PD 5 35. THE CF HAN SPECIAL PURPOSE [06:00:01] DISTRICT NUMBER THREE ON THE NORTH LINE OF RILEY CREST DRIVE, EAST OF SOUTH STREET, SORRY, SOUTH ST. AUGUSTINE DRIVE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL 10 YEAR PERIODS, SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED TO AMENDED CONDITIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE APPLICANT IS HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON, ANDREW REIG. 2201 MAIN STREET, UH, HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, HOME LIGHTING AND AUTOMATION FOR, UH, SEP RENEWAL. UM, WE'RE REQUESTING, THE REASON WE'RE HERE IS TO CONTINUE OPERATION OF THE, UH, OFFICE SHOWROOM WEAR WAREHOUSE USE AND REQUEST A LONGER TIME PERIOD. UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS SHOULD THERE BE ANY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR MR. WOOD? COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE. HOW LONG HAVE YOU HAVE THEY BEEN AT THIS LOCATION? UH, THEY'VE BEEN AT THIS LOCATION FOR 10 YEARS. OKAY. AND WAS THERE ANY COMMUNITY INVO UH, ENGAGEMENT? YES, WE'VE, UH, SINCE THE LAST HEARING, WE'VE REACHED OUT TO EVERYBODY THAT WE CAN FIND CONTACT INFORMATION FOR. UM, LETTER OF SUPPORT WAS, I GUESS EMAIL AND SUPPORT WAS SENT FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER. AND, UH, PEOPLE I'VE BEEN ABLE TO REACH OUT TO, UH, AND CONTACT DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUE. UH, THEY HAVE A NICE CLEAN FACILITY THAT'S GATED, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, ARE JUST WANTING TO CONTINUE THEIR OPERATION HERE AT THIS LOCATION. OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO. MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 DASH 3 4 9, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE, UH, THAT THIS IS APPROVED FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, UH, WITHOUT ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS, SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER SCHOCK FOR YOUR SECOND, UH, TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. FALSE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH NO AUTOMATIC RENEWAL SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AND OPPOSED THE AYES HAVE IT ONE IN. OKAY, WE HAVE ONE IN OPPOSITION ON THAT. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, NEXT CASE PLEASE. OKAY, [20. 25-700A An application for an MU-1 Mixed Use District on property zoned CR Community Retail District, on the northeast corner of Singleton Boulevard and Navaro Street.] UM, ITEM 20 IS Z 2 4 5 1 0 6. AN APPLICATION FOR AN MU ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SINGLETON BOULEVARD AND NAVARRO STREET. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT. UH, I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. UH, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? YES. ON THE MATTER OF Z 2 45 DASH 1 0 6. I MOVE. WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THESE RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION. VICE SIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY COMMENTS? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. [21. 25-701A An application for a Specific Use Permit for a private recreation center, club, or area on property in an NS(A) Neighborhood Service District, on the west line of Marsh Lane, south of Monet Place.] 21. ALRIGHT, ITEM 21 IS Z 2 4 5 1 0 9. AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE RECREATION CENTER CLUBBER AREA ON PROPERTY IN AN NSA NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT ON THE WEST LINE OF MARSH LANE, SOUTH OF MONET PLACE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL 10 YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON SIR. HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. GOOD AFTERNOON. SO, UH, MY NAME IS JASON CHEN AND GOOD AFTERNOON. AND, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO UPDATE A FEW ACTION WE HAVE TAKEN SINCE THE FEBRUARY 7TH, 2025 HEARING. SO WE HAVE BEEN WALKING TO BALANCE THE NEIGHBORHOOD REQUEST, UH, WITH THE BUSINESS NEED MAKING IMPROVEMENTS, WE ARE STAYING OPERATIONAL. SO, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH THIS FIVE PAGE HANDOUTS, IF YOU CAN FIND THAT ON YOUR TABLE. SO THE FIRST CHANGE WE HAVE MADE IS THE EXCHANGE, THE SCREENING WALL FOR SECURITY AND THE CLEANS. THE EXTENDED SCREENING WALL ENHANCE THE SECURITY AND THE CLEANS BY FULLY CONNECTING TO THE ADJACENT APARTMENT, ELIMINATING ANY GAPS FOR UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS. THIS ENSURE MINIMAL IMPACT FROM THE BUSINESS AREA TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE THREE CHAT OVER, UH, PHOTO OVER HERE AND THE LONGER LINE IT SHOWS THE, UH, THE EXTENDED WALL AND, UH, TO THE SECOND PAGE. THE SECOND CHANGE WE HAVE MADE IS A SCREENING WALL MATERIAL UPGRADE FROM [06:05:01] WOOD TO MASONARY. SO ALL THE CITY PERMIT OR SOLID WOOD FANS, WE RECOGNIZE THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S PREFERENCE FOR THE IMPROVEMENT MATERIAL. TO ADDRESS THAT CONCERNS, THE DEVELOPER HAS COMMITTED TO UPGRADE TO 240 FEET OF FENCE FROM WOOD TO MASONRY, REPRESENTING AN ESTIMATE 40,000 COST INCREASING. AND ANOTHER CHANGE IS TO REDUCE THE OPERATION HOUR. THE PROPOSED OPERATION HOUR HAS BEEN ADJUSTED FROM 24 HOURS TO 5:00 AM TO 12:00 AM AND THE LAST ONE IS OVERFLOW PARKING MANAGEMENT. WE HAVE PROVIDED ONE YEAR OF OPERATIONAL DATA FROM OUR FOURTH WORST INDOOR PICKLEBALL CLUB TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE CITY STAFF TO DEMONSTRATING OUR ABILITY TO MANAGING FOUR PLAYERS PER COURT, ENSURING THAT PARKING DEMAND REMAINS CONTROLLED. THE PROPOSED 37 PARKING STORES EXCEEDING BOTH THE CP MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF 24 SPACE AND OUR OPERATIONAL NEEDS OF A 25 28 SPACE. ADDITIONALLY, A WARNING SIGN WILL BE INSTALLED ON THE SCREENING WALL, INDICATES THAT TOWING MAY BE FOR ENFORCED FOR THE BUSINESS CUSTOMERS PARKING ALONG THE MONNET STREET MONNET PLACE. AND THE SCREENSHOT SHOWS THAT THE PVO TABLE SHOWS ONE OF OUR ONE YEAR OF OPERATIONAL DATA AND HOW ONE, HOW MANY PLAYERS PER PER COURT. AND THE PAGE THREE SHOWS THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, WAYNE FAMILY, UH, NEXT TO OUR PROPERTY. UH, HE'S HOLDING OUR CONCEPT SIDE PLAN AND IN STANDING IN FRONT OF HIS PROPERTY AND GIVE US SOME UP TO SUPPORT OUR PROJECT. AND ANOTHER THING, UH, SUPPORTER IS FROM THE, UH, THE, THE LIVE CHURCH ACROSS THE STREET. AND, UH, HE HAS COMMENTS TO THE, THE UNDEVELOPED LAND HAS BEEN SOMEWHAT OF AN EYEO AS WELL AS A PLACE WHERE THE HOMELESS. THANK YOU. YOUR TIME IS UP. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. PLEASE STAND BY. THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS CASE? IS MS. MAYER LINE? YES, SIR, I AM ONLINE. OKAY. PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CAMERA IS ON AND WORKING. YES, SIR. UH, YES. SO MY NAME'S LINDSAY MAYER AND I AM THE CIVIL CONSULTANT WITH THE DEVELOPER. AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING. BUT JUST TO KIND OF REITERATE TOO, LIKE WE ARE REALLY WORKING WITH CITY STAFF AND THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? OKAY, WE'LL GO TO OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE. IS, UH, MS. STRAUSS ONLINE? YES, SHE IS. SORRY. , CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. IS YOUR CAMERA ON PLEASE? OKAY. UH, STARTED STARTING VIDEO. SAY LOUD. THERE WE ARE. THERE YOU GO. I CAN SEE YOU NOW. GOOD AFTERNOON. OKAY. CAN YOU, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. OKAY. UH, MY NAME IS AMY STRAUSS. ADDRESS IS 28 32 MALONE PLACE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE POWERPOINT THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED. WE HAVE A, I REPRESENT A LOT OF NEIGHBORS THAT OPPOSE THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE, LARGELY BECAUSE OF THE AESTHETIC OF IT AND POTENTIAL DANGERS WITH, UM, SAFETY AND TRAFFIC. LET ME PULL THIS UP. I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO, HOW DO I DO THIS? I'M ON THIS, HOW TO DISPLAY IT. HOLD ON, HOLD ON A MOMENT. YEAH, I NEED MY POWERPOINT. I THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA PUT IT UP. HELLO? WE WERE TRYING TO PULL UP THE POWERPOINT THERE. IT'S RIGHT HERE. DOES GEORGE MENDEZ NOT HAVE CLIP IT UP? YEAH. YEAH. DOES HE NOT HAVE PULL? HOLD ON, YOU GOTTA GET BACK TO THIS MEETING. NO, THAT'S WHERE WE WERE. OKAY. DID YOU, [06:10:01] THIS IS THE, IT HAS TO BE THAT. NO, THAT'S NOT RIGHT. I, I, ALRIGHT, NOW WE'RE PULLING MY STUFF. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING. I AM SORRY. WELL, HERE'S THE, THE MEETING RIGHT, HERE'S THE MEETING RIGHT HERE. OKAY. CAN YOU PULL UP OUR POWERPOINT? YES. WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING FOR IT. I THINK WE HAVE IT. WE'RE JUST HIM BY ONE MOMENT OR WE'LL PUT IT UP JUST A FEW MINUTES. THAT'S WHAT I WAS WAITING FOR IS MY POWERPOINT, PLEASE. OKAY. WHERE IS IT? AND, AND LET, LET US KNOW IF YOU DO OR DO NOT HAVE IT. 'CAUSE WE CAN SHARE WHO'S YOUR SHARE BUTTON TO SHARE THAT. YOU CAN SHARE THAT POWERPOINT. THEY HAVE IT. THEY HAVE THE POWERPOINT, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS. IT'S NOT GONNA LET YOU SHARE A SCREEN RIGHT THERE. WELL, THEY'RE GONNA PULL IT OFF. OKAY. I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS PULL 'EM UP. AJ, WE'RE LIVE. ARE YOU PULLING UP THE POWERPOINT? YEAH, BUT THEY THEY'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW. THERE, THERE IT IS. THE POWERPOINT IS UP. THERE IT GOES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UHHUH. . WHERE'D IT GO? THEY'RE GONNA PUT IT BACK. BACK UP. ALL ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT, WE'RE READY NOW. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. UM, I REPRESENT A LOT OF NEIGHBORS IN THE LTNA NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS, UH, LA LOUV, TIMBERLAND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. IT REPRESENTS 320 HOMES AND IT HAS A STREET OF DUPLEXES, BUT THEY'RE ALL SOLD AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE DO NOT SEE ANYTHING ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT IS BENEFICIAL TO US. AND FOR THAT REASON, WE'RE SETTING OUT OUR OBJECTIONS. I'M TRYING TO MOVE MY POWERPOINT. IT'S NOT MOVING. TELL US WHAT WE'LL DO IT FROM HERE. YOU READY FOR THE NEXT SLIDE? OH, I'M SORRY. YEAH. OKAY. UM, SO THIS PICKLEBALL FACILITY, UM, WHAT WE MADE CONTACT WITH THEM THE FIRST TIME IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR, THAT'S WHEN THEY CONTACTED US AND REACHED OUT. UM, WE DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING AGAIN FROM THEM UNTIL, UH, EARLY JANUARY AND IN THAT AMOUNT OF TIME THE PROPERTY CLOSED, EVEN THOUGH THE SUP HADN'T BEEN GRANTED. UM, I WANNA GO AND SCROLL DOWN TO, UH, SLIDE NUMBER THREE. I MAY COME BACK TO THIS SLIDE NUMBER THREE. UM, WE HAVE A LIST OF ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE OF NO VALUE TO US HERE, INCLUDING THESE THINGS THAT THE A APPLICANT IS OFFERING AS, UM, SECURITY AND ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE NONE OF THEM ARE LONG-TERM STANDING AND CONTRACTUALLY BINDING. UM, THIS NON-ESSENTIAL BUSINESS IS MUCH TOO LARGE. THERE'S A LACK OF ADEQUATE PARKING AND THERE IS LIMITED NORTHBOUND ACCESS. AND FOR THAT REASON, THERE'S A U-TURN. CAN WE PLEASE GO TO SLIDE FOUR? SLIDE FOUR SHOWS THE ACTUAL DIMENSIONS OF THIS PROPERTY. THAT'S 22 FEET HIGH. AND GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. FIVE, SLIDE FIVE. OKAY. THIS IS WHERE THE ARCHITECT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OVERLAID THIS. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NO BUFFER BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AND THAT ONE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. OKAY. THIS SHOWS OUR BIG CONCERN FOR TRAFFIC. WE'VE GOT THREE DRIVEWAYS SHOWN IN BLUE THAT EXIST, AND IF A FOURTH DRIVEWAY IS PUT IN THERE, IT'S RIGHT IN THE PATH OF A EXISTING U-TURN. THIS ENTRANCE INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALREADY DANGEROUS BECAUSE OF THIS U-TURN BEING RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT. AGAIN, THIS BUILDING BELONGS AT ADDISON AIRPORT. WE DON'T FEEL LIKE IT BELONGS NEXT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR IS ANY COMPLIMENT AT ALL. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. OKAY. TALKING ABOUT DEAD ZONES. THIS IS A 20 FOOT BUFFER ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND WE'VE ALSO NOTICED THAT THIS BUILDING AND THE SIZE OF IT HAVE BEEN. THANK YOU MA'AM. HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'RE OUTTA THE FIRE LANE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MA'AM. YOUR YOUR TIME IS UP. . WE'LL GO TO OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JAY WIMBERLEY. OKAY. I'M GONNA CALL YOU OFF THE LIST. MR. WIMBERLY, YOU'RE ONLINE, SIR. [06:15:11] OKAY. YES, SIR. YEAH. OKAY. LET ME, UH, LET ME SHARE MY, THE, THE SAME POWERPOINT TO GET THIS, UH, ALL RIGHT. UM, WE CAN SEE IT. YEAH. OKAY. NOW LET'S, THE THING IS, THE BIGGEST ISSUES THAT WE DEAL WITH ARE THE, THE WAY THAT IT'S SITTING ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY. THESE DEAD ZONES THAT SHE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT ARE A PROBLEM BECAUSE THE, IF WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE OUR HOMELESS, WHICH WE HAVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, QUITE A FEW OF 'EM, THEY, THEY CAN COME BACK IN THE BACK OF THIS AND BE TOTALLY ISOLATED AND NOBODY WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THEM. AND THAT'D BE IDEAL FOR THEM TO HIDE. AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT THEY WILL, UH, GET, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY SET, THEY TYPICALLY WILL SET FIRES FOR THEIR WARMING. AND IF A FIRE STARTED, WE, WE WOULD NOT HAVE FIRE EQUIPMENT. I MEAN, YOU FIRE STRUCKS WOULD'VE A VERY DIFFICULT TIME GETTING TO IT, ESPECIALLY IF THERE IS A, A RETAINING WALL THAT COMES IN RIGHT HERE TO BLOCK OFF THE, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. UM, SO THAT IS, THAT IS ONE OF OUR BIG PROBLEMS WITH THAT. THE, THE REST IS THE PARKING ISSUE. LIKE, UH, AMY SAID IS CRITICALLY BAD. WHAT THEY PROPOSED IS THE MINIMUM. AND EVEN THOUGH HE'S INCREASED IT BY A FEW, FEW PARKING SPOTS, THE A PART, A PICKLEBALL CORE CAN HAVE UP TO 24 PEOPLE IN A ROUND ROBIN SITUATION, THAT WOULD MEAN MUCH MORE PARKING. THIS, I BET HE HAS NOT CONTACTED THIS PARTICULAR, UH, OWNER OF THESE SHOPPING CENTERS TO ALLOW EGRESS BETWEEN HIS PROPERTY AND OVER WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE THEIRS. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, WOULD BE, UH, A BIG HELP. BUT IT WOULD NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY'RE GONNA END UP PARKING RIGHT HERE. AND NO PARKING SIGNS ARE NOT, NOT GONNA BE A SOLUTION BECAUSE THAT WOULD MEAN THE OWNER WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. SO THOSE ARE, SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT VAL AND HE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HE'S CONTACTED THE, UH, THE OWNER OF THE, UH, THE HOUSE NEAR IT AND HE'S IN APPROVAL. AND THAT IS FALSE. HE IS NOT IN APPROVAL OF THIS. SO HE, HE NEEDS TO SPEAK IF HE CAN, UH, FROM ONE OF, UH, ONE OF THE PEOPLE. THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BIG, BIG NO-NOS FOR US. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. UH, LLOYD LEMPKIN? YES, SIR. WHOOPS, I'LL STOP SHARING. YES. NOW IF YOU NEED TO GET BACK TO THE OTHER. THANK YOU, SIR. YEAH. OKAY. NOW THERE IS THE PERSON THERE THAT NEEDS THROUGH WITH AMY, IF YOU CAN STILL HEAR ME. 'CAUSE THEY'RE, THAT'S THE ONE, THAT'S THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR THAT'S CLOSEST TO IT. HE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. ALL RIGHT, MR. LUMPKIN. JAY? YES, SIR. WE'RE READY FOR, UM, MR. LUMPKIN. UH, HELLO, UH, COMMISSIONERS. I AM THE OWNER OF 2 9 0 6, THE BORDERING PROPERTY. ME AND, UH, JASON CHEN HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT THESE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS AND WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT WORKS OUT FOR BOTH OF US. BUT THERE'S STILL SOME THINGS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE ARE GOOD FOR ME AND MY PROPERTY. ONE OF THEM WILL BE, THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING HAS TO BE FAIR. UM, YOU KNOW, MY PROPERTY'S A LITTLE BIT LOWER AND IT'S ON A HILL, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS IN REGULATION. I DON'T WANT THINGS TO BE, I DON'T WANT THIS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA AGREE TO THIS WITHOUT THINGS BEING OFFICIALLY IN CONTRACT AND IN REGULATION. SO THERE'S ONE THING, THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, THE HOURS OF OPERATION. UM-HUH. CONSIDERING THE NOISE, YOU KNOW, TO CONSIDERING THE DECIBELS, THE DECIMAL LIMIT THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE FOR SOMETHING BEING SO CLOSE TO MY PROPERTY LINE, THE PARKING AND THE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE IS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SHOPPING CENTER AND THE PICKLEBALL COURT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM WORK TOGETHER TO SHARE A PARKING LOT OR, OR WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO SO THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT PARKING IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, OR IF THE CITY NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING, LIKE PUT NO PARKING SIGNS ON MY STREET TO STOP, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE FROM JUST OVERCROWDING IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. YOU KNOW. UM, I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH JASON CHEN [06:20:01] AND WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER SO THAT BOTH OF US ARE HAPPY. BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ME AGREEING WITH JASON CHEN DOESN'T LEAD TO PROBLEMS WITH MY PROPERTY. HE HAS, HE HAS, UM, HE HAS AGREED TO SET UP A WALL, A BARRIER BETWEEN OUR PROPERTIES. UM, THAT'S ONE THING HE HAS DONE FOR ME, YOU KNOW, AGREED TO HELP ME OUT WITH, BUT I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M MAKING EVERYONE ELSE HAPPY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH ALL THE OTHER REGULATIONS. YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT SOMETHING TO HAPPEN LATER ON DOWN THE LINE WHERE I'M COMPLAINING SAYING THAT, HEY, THE CITY SHOULDN'T HAVE ALLOWED THIS IF THEY WERE, IF HE WAS GONNA BUILD IT THIS WAY OR THAT WAY. SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE FOR YOU GUYS. THANK YOU, SIR. CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? MY ADDRESS IS 2 9 0 6 MONET PLACE. AND, AND YOUR NAME, SIR. IT'LL BE THE FIRST HOUSE ON THE STREET. AND YOUR NAME? WE DIDN'T CATCH YOUR NAME, SIR. UH, EVAN WILLIAMS. I SIGNED UP FOR THE MEETING, BUT FOR, I THINK I ACTUALLY SIGNED UP AS A REPRESENTATIVE AND I MIGHT HAVE GOT KICKED OFF THE ROLE 'CAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO APPLY. AS FOR THE ROLE FOR THE MEETING, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SPEAKER. UM, DAVID JASPER, THE POWERPOINT. ASK HIM TO KEEP THE POWERPOINT. DAVID JASPER'S ONLINE. OKAY, MR. JASPER, WE'RE READY FOR YOU, SIR. THE POWERPOINT. MR. JASPER, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS. I'M IN THE PROCESS OF CALLING HIM RIGHT NOW. OKAY. WE CAN COME BACK TO HIM. LET'S GO WITH, UH, IS JESSICA MARTINEZ ON? YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. WE, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU YET. PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR CAMERA'S ON AND WORKING. THERE WE GO. WE CAN SEE YOU NOW. THANK YOU. SO, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. UH, MY NAME'S JESSICA MARTINEZ. I'M WITH LAR STUDIO, THE ARCHITECTURE FIRM ON THE PROJECT. WE DO WANNA ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS WITH THE BUILDING. SO PER THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT CODE, IT STATES THAT THE MAXIMUM STRUCTURE HEIGHT FOR A GABLE HIP OR GAMBLE ROOF IS 35 FEET. ALTHOUGH ANOTHER RESTRICTION IS AT ANY PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE OVER 26 FEET IN HEIGHT, THAT PORTION MAY NOT BE LOCATED ABOVE A RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE. SO FOR THIS BUILDING, WE ARE STILL PROPOSING A 22 FOOT HEIGHT FOR A ONE STORY PICKLEBALL FACILITY. TO SORT OF RELATE TO THE CONTEXT, IT IS A PRE-ENGINEERED METAL BUILDING, BUT WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, FOUR FOOT STONE WIND SPOTTING ON THE EXTERIOR WITH SOME EXPOSED METAL PANELING. UM, THE CLIENT HAS STATED THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY, AND SO ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE TO THE EXPOSED METAL PANELING WE COULD CONSIDER SACO TO AVOID THE PRE-ENGINEERED FACADE. AND SO ANOTHER CONCERN I HEARD JUST NOW, UM, WE HAVE DISCUSSED CONSIDERING, UM, THE PARKING RESTRICTIONS THAT THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE, UM, HAVING CUSTOMERS PARK ON MONNET STREET OR MONNET PLACE. AND WE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT POSSIBLY COMING UP WITH SOME KIND OF, UH, SIGN THAT SAYS NO PARKING ALLOWED FOR INDOOR PICKLEBALL. NOW CUSTOMERS JUST TO KIND OF WORK TOGETHER WITH THE COMMUNITY TO AVOID ANY, UM, ANY BLOCKAGE FOR THEIR STREETS. AND I WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AS WELL, ALONG WITH OUR, UH, THE CIVIL TEAM. AND JASON, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. WE'LL GO BACK TO, UH, MR. LUMPKINS, ARE YOU ONLINE, SIR? OR MR. JASPER? [06:25:02] THIS IS JAY. AND I'LL HAVE TO CALL LARRY, UH, LLOYD AS WELL. HE'S NOT, HE'S NOT RETURNING, HE'S NOT ON. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. CHEN. PER OUR RULES. YOU GET A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL, SIR, PLEASE. SO, GO AHEAD. UH, YOU, YOU, WHICH PART DO YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT MORE? UH, OR ANY PART? YOU, YOU GET A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO THE PROCESS. OH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO, YEAH. UH, A LOT OF THINGS I THINK, UH, WE HAVE ALREADY UPDATED. FOR EXAMPLE, ONE THING THEY ARE CONCERNING THE, UH, THE BACKSIDE. UH, IF WE LOOKING AT THE, UH, THE FIR FIRST PAGE, FIRST PAGE, IF YOU LOOKING AT THIS SIDE PLANE, RIGHT? SO THE LABEL IS TALKING ABOUT THE BACKSIDE. THAT'S ACTUALLY TO HAVE A 20 FEET OF THE SETBACK. IT'S REQUIRED BY THE CITY. SO WE ALSO UNDERSTAND IT MIGHT ALLOW THE HOMIES TO STAY OVER THERE. THAT'S WHY WE AGREED WITH IAN'S FAMILY TO EXTEND HIS IMAGINARY WALL ALL THE WAY TOWARDS TO THE APARTMENT. SO ANY CRIMINALS OR HARMONIES, THEY HAVE NO WAY TO PASS THROUGH TO THE COMMUNITY. ALSO, THIS BLOCKED ALL THE OVERFLOW PARKING. AND, UH, WE, I REACH OUT THE, UH, WE LIKE THE, THE, THE, THE FAMILY LIKE WIND'S, FAMILY BEFORE, UH, WE ADDRESS THIS. AND ALSO OUR BUILDING HEIGHT IS 22 FEET, IS MUCH LESS THAN THE CITY ALLOWED 35 FEET. BY THE WAY, THE, THE BUILDING ON THE STRIP CENTER, THESE ARE ABOUT 18 FEET HIGH. SO, AND ALSO, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE OVERFLOW PARKING, WE ALSO MAKE SURE THE, UH, WE REACH OUT TO THE FAMILY AND SEE IF WE CAN PUT UP NU PARKING SIDE OVER THERE. IF THEY, THEY ARE AGREED TO ALLOW CITY TO PUT A PUT A LONG PARKING SIDE, IT'S A PERFECT SOLUTION FOR US. I THINK THAT'S A, A GREATER AGREEMENT. AND, UH, UH, FOR THE OTHER, UH, ANOTHER CONCERN IS ABOUT THE U-TURN. THE U-TURN WE BY, RIGHT? WE SHOULD ABLE TO HAVE OUR OWN EGRESS AND THE INTEREST FROM OUR PROPERTY. SO THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC, THIS, THIS, THIS PROPERTY IS DESIGNED FOR THE COMMERCIAL ZONING. SO WE SHOULD ABLE TO HAVE, UH, THE CITY DESIGN TRAFFIC SHOULD ALLOW FOR US TO HAVE OUR CUSTOMER COMING ANYWAY. SO, THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. , UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE EXPRESSED SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE HEIGHT TOWERING OVER THEIR HOUSES. AND YOU SAID THAT I THINK YOU'RE GONNA CAP IT AT 22 FEET, IS THAT RIGHT? THE CITY ALLOWS 35 FOR GABLE THE ROOF. ACTUALLY WE ARE GABLE THE ROOF 30, 35. BUT YOU'RE ONLY GONNA DO 22. YES. TO GIVE THE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL COMFORT. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ANNOTATE YOUR SITE PLAN WITH A MAXIMUM OF HEIGHT OF 26 FEET? UH, WE ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR 26. WE ALREADY REDUCED TO 22. OKAY. WOULD YOU, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THE, THE SITE PLAN HAS A SPECIFIC HEIGHT LISTED ON THERE. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO LIST A SPECIFIC HEIGHT ON THE SITE PLAN TO GIVE THE NEIGHBORS GREATER? YES. YES. WE CAN ADD IN THAT THE SUP CONDITION, NO PROBLEM. OH, CONDITION. OKAY. COMMISSIONER WHEELER. UM, I WANTED OF THE COMMENTS THAT I SAW WAS, UH, THAT THEY, UH, THEY THAT, UM, ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE OKAY WITH IT WOULD RATHER HAVE NO ACCESS FROM MONET, MONET DRIVE. YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO MONET. OKAY. YEAH. AND SO YOUR PARKING SUSPECT PRE, UH, HOW MANY ENTRANCES TO THE PROPERTY ARE YOU HAVING THAT? I'M LOOKING, BUT I CAN'T, IS THAT ONE OR TWO ENTRANCES? YEAH, FOR THE PAGE ONE, IF YOU SEE HERE, THERE'S ONLY ONE ENTRANCE FROM MARSH LANE. THERE WAS NO ABSOLUTELY NO ACCESS TO THE, TO THE MONET PLACE, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. UM, AND MAYBE I'M, I'M, I'M, MAYBE I'M I'M NOT AS, UH, WHICH, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO MOVE THE ENTRANCE A LITTLE FAR CLOSER TO THE CONNECT THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO YOU? UM, SO THAT THE PARK, THE ENTRY, THE ENTRANCE, NOT THE PARKING, BUT THE ENTRANCE COULD BE A LITTLE FARTHER AWAY FROM MONNET OR, I I SEE WHERE IT'S AT NOW. YEAH. UM, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE SPACE UNLESS IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A SETBACK ISSUE, UM, FROM A PROPERTY LINE TO HAVE THE ACCESS CLOSER TO THE, UM, THE CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY, ADJACENT PROPERTY. HAVE THE, THE ENTRANCE DRIVE, THE INGRESS ADJACENT [06:30:01] PROPERTY. YES. THE DRIVE, THE DRIVE THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE. YEAH. THIS IS ALREADY THE, THE, MY SEA CAN TALK ABOUT MORE. THIS IS THE ALREADY THE, THE SOUTHEAST PLACE WE CAN PUT IN OUR PROPERTY THAT THAT'S THE CLOSEST THAT YOU CAN PUT IT. HUH? THAT, THAT IS THE CLOSEST THAT YOU CAN PUT IT. SO, SO THE REASON I'M ASKING IS, ONE OF THE CONCERNS I THINK THAT THEY'RE HAVING IS THEY'RE WANTING YOU TO PROBABLY COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF SHARED ACCESS AGREEMENT WITH THE PROPERTY THAT'S CLOSEST TO YOU. UM, AND THEY'RE MAYBE I'M THINKING THEY'RE WILLING, THEY'RE ASKING YOU, ARE YOU WILLING TO POSSIBLY REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY SO THAT, YOU KNOW HOW SOMETIMES THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE A MCDONALD'S AND A JACK IN THE BOX NEXT TO EACH OTHER. AND THOSE ENTRANCES, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ON DIFFERENT PROPERTY LINES, THEY KINDA HAVE A SHIRT. UM, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE DRIVE APPROACH INTO THE PROPERTY, THEY LOOK LIKE THEY CONNECT FROM THE STREET, BUT THEY REALLY DON'T. THEY, THEY'RE SITTING ON TWO DIFFERENT PROPERTY LINES. SO I'M ASKING YOU, ARE YOU, WOULD YOU POSSIBLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION OF MOVING YOUR DRIVE APPROACH, UM, INTO THE PARKING LOT OVER CLOSER TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY? UM, MY CIVIL TEAM CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION BETTER. HE, HE, THEY, THEY HAVE ACTUALLY TRIED THE THREE VERSION OF THE SITE PLAN. UH, MAYBE LINDSAY, LINDSAY, YOU CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION. YEAH. YES. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN RIGHT NOW, THE CURVE RADIUS WHERE IT TIES INTO MARSH LANE IS AT THE PROPERTY LINE. UM, AND TYPICALLY YOU DON'T WANT YOUR DRIVE RADIUS ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY LANE. AND I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE SHARED ACCESS. UM, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, BECAUSE OF THE OTHER DRIVEWAY LOCATED ON THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A SHARED ACCESS. BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK WITH CITY STAFF ON. IF, IF, IF THEY'RE WANTING TO DO THAT, THAT'S USUALLY NOT TYPICAL IN THIS APPLICATION. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND SOME MIDDLE GROUND WORTH AT. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE HOW CLOSE IT IS TO MOATE IS KIND OF TO SOFT, I'M ASKING THAT, POSSIBLY LOOKING INTO, OR MOVING IT CLOSER, CLOSER TO IT SO THAT IT CAN EASE SOME OF THE CALMING, UM, SOME OF THE CONCERNS AS FAR AS, UM, UM, TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC, UH, BUILDUP THAT MIGHT BUILD UP IN MONET FROM PEOPLE COMING INTO THE FACILITY. BUT I, I, I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. UM, MISS, UH, MISS NZI QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, SIR. I DON'T SEE ANY HOURS OF OPERATION IN YOUR SUP CONDITIONS, BUT THE HANDOUT THAT YOU, UM, GAVE US SAID YOU WERE WILLING TO LIMIT THE HOURS FROM 5:00 AM TO MIDNIGHT. YES. IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE WILLING TO ADD TO THE SUP CONDITIONS? YES. YES. I HAVE, UH, TALK WITH, WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER ALREADY? YES. OKAY. MY OTHER QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE WAY THE, UH, NUMBER SEVEN SCREENING IS WRITTEN. IT SAYS PARKING AREAS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL USES MUST BE SCREENED WITH A MINIMUM SIX FOOT TALL SOLID SCREENING FENCE. MM-HMM . UM, MY UNDERSTANDING NOW IS THAT YOU ARE OFFERING A, A, A MASONRY FENCE. SO THAT'D BE A SIX FOOT TALL MASONRY FENCE, BUT THE LENGTH, NOW, THE EXTENT OF THE FENCE IS MORE THAN WHAT THIS CONDITION SAYS BECAUSE IT WOULD EXTEND PAST THE PARKING AREAS. IT WOULD BE THAT ENTIRE NORTH, EXCUSE ME, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO WORD IT, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THIS, THIS WORDING, UM, DOES NOT ADEQUATELY CONVEY WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING YOU WILL DO NOW. UH, SO YES, WE UPGRADED FOR, UH, FROM WOOD TO MASONARY. THIS IS PER ONE OF THE, UH, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, NUMBER ONE REQUESTS BEFORE BECAUSE, UH, THE WORRY ABOUT THE WOOD FENCE IS NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO PRO, PRO PREVENT THE HOMELESS TO GET IN THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S WHY WE WINNING, WINNING FEE TO PAY AN EXTRA 40,000 TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. ALSO HELPING OTHER, OTHER, UH, THE, THE IMPROVE THE LOOK LIKE THE APPEARANCE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD MATCHING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND, UH, REGARDING TO THE LENS. AND, UH, WE WILL, WE WILL WORK WITH THE PLANNER AND OUR CIVIL TEAM IS PRETTY PROFESSIONAL. WE WILL DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO, UH, WHAT'S THE ALLOWED MAXIMUM, UH, LENS TO, TO CONNECT TO ADJACENT. BUT, UH, THESE ARE ALREADY IN THE, UH, THE PLANNING SUBMITTED SIDE, SIDE PLAN ALREADY. MAYBE MY CIVIL TEAM CAN ANSWER BETTER, LIKE WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM LENGTH WE CAN PUT IN OVER THERE? RIGHT. BECAUSE THE, THE TEXT OF THE SUP CONDITIONS CONTROL. SO, EXCUSE ME, UM, I'M JUST THINKING THAT THIS WORDING DOES NOT ADEQUATELY CONVEY WHAT YOU'RE PROMISING RIGHT NOW. OH, YEAH. BECAUSE THE, THE, YEAH, THIS, THIS PRESENTATION IS LIKE MY, MY VERSION. THE, THE SUP CONDITION HAS [06:35:01] A BETTER OFFICIAL WORDING. YES. WELL, BUT WELL, MY, UM, WHAT I'M TRYING TO POINT OUT IS THERE'S A DISCONNECT BETWEEN WHAT THE WORDS IN THE SUP CONDITIONS SAY AND WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE PROMISING, BECAUSE IS, IS THE FENCE THAT YOU'RE PROMISING THAT ALL ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF YOUR PROPERTY ALONG MONET PLACE? OR IS THERE ALSO FENCING ON THE, UH, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? THE, UH, WEST SIDE NEXT TO THE RESIDENCE? YEAH. IT'S ALL THE WAY TO THE, THE POSSIBLE WE CAN, UH, AS LONG AS THE CITY PERMIT US, PUT A FENCE OVER THERE. OKAY. WELL, I GUESS I NEED TO ASK THE PLANNER THEN, WHAT, WHAT WORDING WOULD, WOULD CONVEY THAT, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. ER, I, I'M LOOKING AT THE FENCE AND SO MY, MY CONCERN WITH THE MASONRY FENCE IS GREAT, BUT, UM, NOW THAT WE NOTICE THAT THAT MASONRY FENCE IS ACTUALLY, LET ME GET IT RIGHT, IS THE MASONRY FENCE GOING TO RUN KIND OF CLOSEST TO, UM, MONET? IS IT ON THAT SIDE? IS IT CLOSEST TO MONET BOULEVARD? UH, MONET PLACE? YES. MONET PLACE. AND IT'S GOING TO RUN ALL THE WAY TO MARCH LANE. YES. AND SO MY CONCERN IS ON THE GO AHEAD. IT CAN'T RUN ALL THE WAY BECAUSE IT CAN'T BLOCK SIGHT DISTANCE. SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK YOU. SO WOULD YOU CONSIDER LIKE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THEY WANT A FENCE, UH, CONSIDER IT, UM, AS IT GET CLOSER TO THE PARKING LOT, UM, THAT IT IS MORE OF A IRON, IS IT IRON FENCE? THE WHAT KIND OF FENCE? IS IT IRON FENCE? NO, NO FENCES, EVEN IF IT'S AN OPEN FENCE, CAN BE IN THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE. IS THAT, WERE YOU THINKING ABOUT AN OPEN FENCE? SO I THOUGHT THAT IT COULD BE IN THE, IN THE VISIBLE, THE IRON FENCE COULD BE. NO. SO THE OPEN IRON FENCE? NOPE. OKAY. BECAUSE, OKAY, LET ME ANSWER THIS WAY FOR THE FENCE. I'M WILLING TO DO WHATEVER THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANT US DO. THE FENCE IS, THEY ACTUALLY ASKED US TO EXTEND IT. SO THE, THE NAVAL URANIANS FAMILY. SO I, AS A FAVOR, I AGREED TO DO, BUT, UH, IF THE CITY DOESN'T ALLOW US, I, I DO WHATEVER THE CITY ALLOWS. SO WHAT ABOUT IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY? UM, THE REARER PROPERTY I, IS THAT IT'S CONNECTED TO, IS IT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX BEHIND YOU IN THE REAR OF YOUR A APART OF, UH, PROPERTY? YEAH, THE PROPERTY BEHIND, UH, UH, ON THE WEST SIDE THAT IS, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEX. THEY HAVE A FENCE ALREADY. SO WOULD, BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE FENCING, I THINK THAT KIND OF HEARING WHAT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE SAYING, UM, ARE YOU GONNA ADD ANY TYPE OF FENCE TO BACK THERE THAT KINDA SEPARATE THE PROPERTY? UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, WOODEN FENCES CAN BE BROKEN DOWN, COME ONTO THE PROPERTY, LEAD TO EXTRA DEAL, OR, OR ARE YOU PUTTING ANY TYPE OF FENCING FROM YOUR PROPERTY THAT THAT COUNTER WILL DETOUR THAT NO MATTER WHAT? I MEAN, I, THAT PART OF CITY THAT'S A SETBACK DOESN'T ALLOW FENCE. RIGHT. UM, MS. MAY, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? SO I, SO SOME OF THE CONCERNS WAS THAT IT MIGHT BE GATHERING MAY, UM, IF I'M HEARD RIGHT, THAT IT MIGHT BE SOME TYPE OF GATHERING. THE THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SCARED, WHICH I DON'T KNOW. USUALLY WHEN NEW BILLS COME, HOMELESS LEAVE. BUT THEIR CONCERN IS THAT THERE MIGHT BE A POCKET THAT WOULD ALL THAT, THAT COULD BE SOME GATHERING BETWEEN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEHIND. MR. UM, IS HIS NAME MR. WILLIAMS' HOUSE? MR. WILLIAMS' HOUSE. BUT THE GATE, THERE IS A GATE THERE, A WOODEN GATE THERE THAT COMES FROM THE APARTMENTS. I WAS ASKING HIM COULD HE, IS HE GONNA BUILD ABLE AN ADDITIONAL ONE OR, OR NOT? AND HE'S SAYING IT'S A SETBACK THAT HAS AN ISSUE WITH THE, WHERE THE FENCE GOES, OR IS THAT TRUE? UM, ADJACENT TO BOTH RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINES, UM, THERE'S A 20 FOOT, UH, SETBACK, UM, BOTH TO THE WEST WHERE THERE'S A MULTIFAMILY ZONING DISTRICT AND TO THE NORTH WHERE THERE'S A DUPLEX DISTRICT. SO, SO THAT SAYS THAT HE CAN'T PUT A FENCE IN THAT. WELL, UM, COULD HE, BECAUSE CAN HE PUT A FENCE IN THE SETBACK, BUT NOT A, BUT NOT THE STRUCTURE. CORRECT. SO YOU, SO I MAYBE HE, HE DOESN'T, HE HE, HE PROBABLY DIDN'T KNOW THAT. 'CAUSE WHAT HE'S THINKING IS THAT YOU CAN'T PUT A FENCE IN THE SETBACK AND DOESN'T KNOW THAT THE STRUCTURE CAN'T BE IN THE SETBACK, BUT THE FENCE CAN'T, UH, AN ADDITIONAL FENCE IN THE BACK, UM, COULD BE THERE. LET ME ANSWER SOMETHING, UH, MORE. IT'S, UH, WE ACTUALLY DESIGNED TO HAVE A SECURITY CAMERA ALL AROUND THE BUILDING. ALSO, I HAVE ALREADY SIGNED UP FOR THE, UH, SOME EMERGENCY RESPONSE DEPARTMENT PROVIDED BY CITY OF DALLAS THAT ALLOW POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN ACCESS OUR LIVE STREAMING VIDEOS OR CAMERAS ON TIME. SO IF THERE ARE ANY CRIMINALS PASS AWAY OVER THERE, PLEASE CAN SEE THAT RIGHT AWAY. SO I'M TRYING TO, 'CAUSE WHAT I, I'M HEARING JUST SOME CONCERNS, RIGHT? MM-HMM . AND, AND AGAIN, [06:40:01] YEAH. FROM WHAT I SEE IS THAT WHEN YOU, YEAH, SO THIS BUILDING THIS, I'M THINKING THAT SOME OF THE CONCERNS ARE GOING TO BE CALM BECAUSE YOU'RE BUILDING A NEW, YOU'RE BUILDING SOMETHING ON A VACANT LOT. WHEREVER THERE'S VACANT LOT AND THERE'S HOMELESS AND PROXIMITY, OFTENTIMES THEY TAKE RESIDENCE THERE. SO, BUT THEIR THERE, I THINK THEIR FEAR IS THAT 20 FOOT SETBACK IN BETWEEN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX AND THE RESIDENTIAL, THE, THE HOUSES, UM, OR DUPLEXES THAT HOMELESS MIGHT GET IN BETWEEN. SO, AND I THINK YOUR UNDERSTANDING I'M ASKING YOU IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU COULDN'T HAVE PUT A, YOU COULDN'T HAVE PUT AN ADDITIONAL FENCE THERE. AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NECESSARY. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MASONRY. IT COULD JUST BE, AND I DON'T WANNA KEEP IT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE HAD THIS ISSUE ON ANOTHER PROJECT, AND TYPICALLY WE DON'T RECOMMEND A FENCE RIGHT ADJACENT TO ANOTHER FENCE. UM, IT LEADS TO A LOT OF ISSUES. HOW DO YOU MAINTAIN IT? AND THEN IT SEEMS LIKE IT COLLECTS, YOU KNOW, THE WEEDS GROW AND IT COLLECTS TRASH AND ANIMALS AND IT BECOMES A HAZARD. AND ACTUALLY WE'VE HAD A PROJECT THAT THEY HAD TO GO REMOVE THE FENCE THAT WE BUILT RIGHT BESIDE ANOTHER EXISTING FENCE BECAUSE OF SOME ISSUES. SO, SO I THINK ONE THING TO CONSIDER IT DOESN'T JOIN OVER THERE IS THE APARTMENT SIDE ALREADY HAVE A FENCE OVER THERE. SO IF WE PUT ANOTHER FENCE, FENCE BECOME FENCE, AND THEN TRASH CA CAPTURE INSIDE, THE BETTER SOLUTION WE OFFER IS, SO WE SIGN UP THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY CAN ACTUALLY SEEING THAT CAPTURE ALL THE EVIDENCE AND COME RIGHT AWAY, THAT I THINK IS, UH, IS A BETTER SOLUTION TO HELP TO IMPROVE THE SECURITY LEVEL. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HAWK. THANK YOU CHAIR. UH, MR. CHEN, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. YOU, UM, PARKING HAS BEEN A POINT OF CONTENTION FOR THIS PROJECT. WILL YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SYSTEM, THE TECHNOLOGY, UM, OR THE TECHNICAL REMEDY YOU HAVE TO HELP MITIGATE ANY PARKING ISSUES? YES. YES. SO WE ARE, WE ARE USING A ONLINE BOOKING SYSTEM CALLED QUARTER RESERVE. SO IT'S IN THE AVAILABLE IN THE WEBSITE AND ALSO APP. WE ACTUALLY, WE DON'T TAKE ANY CASH. SO ALL THE RESERVATION HAVE BEEN HAVE TO BE BOOKED THROUGH THE APP, THE CUSTOMER SIGN, THE EMAIL AND SIGN WAIVER AND THE ENTER THE CREDIT CARD AND MAKE A RESERVATION. AND THEN WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SET UP THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF THE PLAYER PER COURT AND EVENTS TO MANAGE THE PLAYERS. THAT'S HOW WE MANAGE OUR, LIKE, UH, MANAGE OUR TRAFFIC. IN OUR WAS LOCATION, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SHARED ONE YEAR OF OPERATION DATA TO THE COMMISSIONER AND THE CITY STAFF, UH, TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, REVIEWED ALL THE DETAIL, UH, IN THE PAGE NUMBER TWO IS A PIVOT TABLE. IT SHOWS ALL THE EVENTS, THE AVERAGE FOR THE ONE YEAR 3.5 PLAYERS PER COURT. SO WE HAVE SEVEN COURTS PROPOSED IN THIS FACILITY. SEVEN, MULTIPLY FOUR IS 28. CITY, CITY MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS 23. AND WE OFFERED 37. COMMISSIONER HAU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN I WANTED TO ADDRESS, UH, JUST STAYING ON PARKING. UH, MS. MAYER, YOU'RE ON THE LINE. COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR SITE PLANS AND, UH, WHAT CROSS ACCESS PARKING OR WHAT CROSS ACCESS WOULD DO TO, UM, THE PARKING SLOTS OR PARKING THE, THE PARKING SLOTS? AND THEN, UH, MR. NAVAREZ IS ALSO ON THE LINE. I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR HIM IN JUST A MOMENT. SO, YES. SO OUR TEAM ACTUALLY LOOKED, WE HEARD WE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH THE RESIDENTS AND WE HEARD SOME OF THE CONCERNS. AND SO WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THREE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES. AND WITH THESE EACH ALTERNATIVE, IT EITHER DIDN'T MEANT THE MEET THE DEVELOPER'S DESIRE, IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, PROFITABLE FOR THEIR BUSINESS OR IT DIDN'T MEET CITY CODE. THIS WAS THE ONLY CONCEPT PLAN THAT WE COULD GO WITH THAT MET BOTH THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER'S NEEDS. AND IF WE WERE TO PROVIDE CROSS ACCESS TO THE ADJACENT SITE, WE WOULD LOSE, UM, SOME OF THE PARKING STALLS THAT ARE PROVIDED RIGHT NOW. AND THEN ALSO TO TOUCH ON YOUR COMMENT IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THIS PICKLE PICKLEBALL FACILITY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TOGETHER, THEY'RE GONNA RIDE SHARE. NOT EVERY SINGLE PERSON'S GONNA BRING THEIR OWN VEHICLE. AND THEN WE ALSO ARE PROPOSING MULTIPLE BICYCLE RACKS. SO, UM, IT'S CONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE ALSO TO RIDE THEIR VEHICLES. SO I THINK YOU GOTTA THINK OF HOW IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO OPERATE AS A FUNCTION. UM, DID THAT ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS? SORRY. IT DOES, THANK YOU. AND I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND ANYONE BIKE ON MARSH, BUT THAT'S JUST A PERSONAL CHOICE. THANK YOU SO, SO MUCH FOR THAT. MR. NAVAREZ. UM, [06:45:01] ARE YOU AVAILABLE FOR A QUESTION? IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT HE IS. HE IS ONLINE. YEAH, HE'S ONLINE. UM, OKAY. I THINK I JUST SAW HIM. OKAY. NO, MAYBE NOT. IT'S OKAY. I THINK WE'VE ADDED ADEQUATELY COVERED IT. HE, HE IS ONLINE, I THINK. MM-HMM . HE SAID HE WAS OKAY. IF YOU WANT TO, MAYBE THAT'S HIM. OKAY. IF YOU CAN HEAR US, MR. NAVAREZ, WE, WE DON'T SEE YOU. WE MAY HAVE TO PUNT COMMISSIONER HAWKER, IF YOU WANNA JUST ASK YOUR QUESTION, MAYBE SOMEONE FROM STAFF HERE CAN ANSWER IT. UH, IT'S OKAY. IT WAS ABOUT THE U-TURNS AND JUST TRAFFIC SO WE CAN, UM, HE WOULD BE THE BEST PERSON TO ACCESS, UH, TO ASK TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. OKAY. SO IT'S OKAY. WE CAN PASS ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE QUESTIONS. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, SECOND ROUND COMMISSIONER, I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STAFF, BUT I WANT, UM, ONE MORE THING THAT I, I THINK ADDRESS. I THINK THERE, THERE WAS SOMETHING ASKING ABOUT THE PIXELS. UM, AND SO MAYBE WHAT'S THE INSTALLATION OR WHAT ARE THEY DOING SO THAT THE SOUND IS, YOU CAN'T HEAR THE SOUND OUTSIDE OF THE ACTUAL COURT. UM, THERE WAS A CONCERN FOR, AND WHAT WE'VE HEARD UP PIXEL BALL IS, IS LOUD, BUT INSIDE WAS DID THEY GIVE YOU A REMEDY ON HOW THE SOUNDPROOFING WAS GOING TO BE? UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, SPECIFICATIONS ON SOUNDPROOFING, BUT THERE IS A CONDITION ON THE SUP THAT ALL THE RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES MUST OCCUR INSIDE, UH, UH, THE CLIENT. UM, LAST, LAST ROUND. WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR, WHAT IS THE, WHAT, WHAT HAVE YOU, OR WHAT ARE YOU DOING? WHAT ARE YOUR, WHAT ARE Y'ALL DOING TO FOR, UM, SOUND MITIGATION? YES. YES, THANK YOU. UH, THIS IS A GREAT QUESTION. ACTUALLY. THIS IS NUMBER ONE QUESTION RESULT IN FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD HEARING. AFTER THAT HEARING, I ACTUALLY HAVE RECORDED, UH, SUNS OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING AND INSIDE THE BUILDING, MY PHOTO WAS LOCATION AND, UH, SHOWED HAVE VIDEO SENT TO THE LABEL, ALL THE LABELS. SO THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T MENTION THE SUN ANYMORE IN THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW. SO, SO THERE IS, YOU CAN'T HEAR THE SOUND OUTSIDE. CANNOT HEAR. YES. THANK YOU, . ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONER HARA? UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, MS. MAY, AS I READ THE EXISTING ZONING, THIS NSA ZONING, IT WOULD ALLOW FOR ANY NUMBER OF RETAIL PERSONAL SERVICE AND OFFICE USES. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. SMALLER RETAIL. AND SO TO MAYBE PUT A LITTLE FINER POINT ON IT, I, I'M SURE THIS IS NOT AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST, BUT AS I LOOK AT IT, UH, THERE, YOU COULD HAVE A CLINIC THERE BY WRIGHT, IS THAT YOU COULD HAVE AN OFFICE, YOU COULD HAVE A DRY CLEANER BY WRIGHT, YOU COULD HAVE A CONVENIENCE STORE BY WRIGHT, A FUNERAL HOME BY WRIGHT, A PAWN SHOP BY WRIGHT AM AM I MOSTLY CORRECT WITH THOSE STATEMENTS? SOUNDS CORRECT TO ME. OKAY. SO OUR APPLICANT COULD USE THAT PROPERTY FOR ANY OF THOSE USES WITHOUT EVER COMING DOWN TO CITY HALL AND TALKING TO THIS HORSESHOE, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. AND SO OUR, THE QUESTION BEFORE US TODAY IS NOT WHERE THE BUILDING SITS ON THE SITE OR WHETHER THEY'VE MET THEIR PARKING. THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE GOING TO GRANT THEM AN SUP SO THEY CAN PLAY PICKLEBALL INSIDE THE BUILDING? ISN'T THAT REALLY THE QUESTION? YES. AND SO, UM, I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO VOTING ON THAT QUESTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? COMMISSIONER HA. YES. CAN WE DO THAT AND WE, NO SIR. I'M SORRY. IT'S QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS TO SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION. OKAY. AND THERE WERE NONE, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HOGG, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO, AND I HAVE COMMENTS IF I HAVE A SECOND. [06:50:01] I, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 4 5 1 0 9, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, UH, WITH SOME AMENDMENTS TO THE SITE PLAN, UH, CONDITIONS, SOME UPDATES. UM, THE FIRST IS, UH, TIME LIMIT. INSTEAD OF FIVE YEARS, I'D LIKE TO SEE TWO YEARS BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW OPERATOR WITH FIVE YEAR PERIODS, UH, FOR AUTO RENEWAL. COMMISSIONER, UH, CARPENTER ACTUALLY CALLED THIS OUT, WHICH WAS AROUND HOURS OF OPERATION. THOSE HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD BE 5:00 AM TO 12:00 AM DAILY, AND MS. MAY, I NEED SOME HELP WITH THIS ONE, BUT THE MASONRY FENCE, UM, SIX FOOT, SIX FEET IS WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO, AND I'LL NEED SOME HELP WITH THE DISTANCE. SURE. WE COULD, UM, IT WOULD BE PRETTY EASY TO SAY IF THEY'RE ABLE TO ADD IT TO THE SITE PLAN. WE COULD JUST SAY TO COMPLY, YOU KNOW, AS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN. UM, OR WE COULD, UH, THEY, THEY SAID 240 FEET DISTANCE, WHICH IS SHORTER THAN THE TOTAL DEPTH OF THE LOT. UM, ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION IS, UM, THE APPLICANT MENTIONED IT, ACCORDING TO HIS HANDOUT, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS JUST ON THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE. SO WE MIGHT WANNA MAKE THAT CONDITION SPECIFIC TO THE NORTH ADJACENCY. THANK YOU. SO LET'S, I LIKE THE, THE UPDATING THE SITE PLAN. SO THE SITE PLAN SHOULD BE UPDATED WITH THE NORTH ADJACENT THE, WITH THE, UM, MASONRY FENCE ALONG THE NORTH ADJACENCY. SO THAT'S NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL ON MONET. AND THEN THE LAST PART OF THIS IS, UM, ALONG WITH THE SITE PLAN, I WANT TO TAKE, UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIN'S SUGGESTION AROUND ANNOTATING THE SITE PLAN SO THAT THE BUILDING HEIGHT IS NO TALLER THAN WE'LL SAY 23 FEET OR 20, WE'LL SAY 23 FEET, JUST IN CASE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO, TO SHIFT BECAUSE OF A FOUND FROM A FOUNDATION PERSPECTIVE. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER CONDITIONS, COMMISSIONER HAWK? NO, THAT'S ALL PRESS THAT, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT I CAN MAKE, ASK FOR A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? SURE. UM, COMMISSIONER HAWK, UM, I WOULD ASK FOR A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT ON THE TIMEFRAME. AND THE REASONING BEING IS THAT IF THIS IS A SITE THAT IS, HAS NOT BEEN BUILT ON AND THE TWO YEARS WILL NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE ADEQUATE. UM, THREE YEARS IS PUSHING IT. I, UH, BUT I, I WOULD PROBABLY LIKE TO SEE FOUR YEARS, BUT THREE YEARS. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE TO ASK FOR, BUT THE TWO YEARS SEEMS REALLY TOO SHORT FOR A BUILDING FOR A SITE THAT DOES NOT, THAT HAS NOT, DON'T HAVE A BUILDING ON IT YET. UM, IT, IT, YES, THE, THE CHANCES OF IT WILL NOT BE OPEN IN TWO YEARS. SO YES. SO CAN WE GET FOUR YEARS? AND THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE IT'S, UM, IT IS NOT A BILL. IT, THE SITE HAS NOT BEEN BUILT ON YET. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. ALRIGHT, PERFECT. UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HAWK, SECOND BY MYSELF. COMMENTS COMMISSIONER HAWK? YES. SO JUST WANTED TO, UH, JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THIS WAS A BIT OF A CHALLENGING DECISION BECAUSE I REALLY WAS ABLE TO CONNECT WITH THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY AND I COULD REALLY UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE BUSINESS OWNER TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE OF VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY AND COULD ALSO WORK WITH THEIR PRO FORMA. I JUST WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THE NEIGHBORS FOR THEIR ENERGY, THEIR EFFORT, AND THEIR CARE. THEY WEREN'T JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY VALUE, BUT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, THE UNHOUSED POPULATION, AND THEIR NEIGHBOR WHO IS ADJACENT TO THE SITE. I DO WANNA GIVE A QUICK SHOUT OUT TO THE STAFF FOR THEIR TIME AND NOT JUST DOING THEIR JOBS, BUT REALLY DOING THEIR JOBS WELL. UM, I WANNA JUST SURFACE SOME COMPROMISE THAT WAS DEFINITELY NECESSARY. YOU'VE HEARD SOME OF THIS, SO I WON'T BELABOR THE POINTS. BUT AGAIN, THIS MASONRY FENCE, UM, PARKING, USING TECHNOLOGY TO REALLY HELP MITIGATE THOSE ISSUES. MAKING SURE THAT THERE WERE SIGNS THAT WERE UP, AGAIN, THE HOURS OF OPERATION BEFORE THAT. UH, UM, IN PRIOR ITERATIONS OF THIS, UH, OF, OF, IN PRIOR CONVERSATIONS, THE HOURS OF OPERATION WERE FAR EXCEEDED 12 MIDNIGHT. SO AGAIN, THE APPLICANT WAS REALLY WILLING TO COMPROMISE. COMPROMISE. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE EXPRESSED INTENTION OF THIS APPLICANT IS REALLY TO CREATE A FACILITY THAT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND WE'LL, WE ALSO KNOW THAT IF THE COMMUNITY PATRONIZES THE FACILITY, IT'S GOOD FOR BUSINESS. WHAT WE DON'T KNOW YET IS THE IMPACT THAT THIS FACILITY WILL HAVE ON THE AREA, AND MY HOPE IS THAT THEY WILL BE A GOOD [06:55:01] NEIGHBOR AND THE IMPACT WILL BE POSITIVE. AND I DO HOPE THAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS SUPPORT THIS MOTION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HAWK. COMMISSIONER, UH, WHEELER, UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, HAWK I I 100%, UM, SUPPORT THIS, UM, HAVING SOME TYPE OF FACILITY LIKE THIS THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RECREATIONAL AREAS AND NEEDING FOR ADDITIONAL SPACE. I LOOKED AT WHAT WAS ADJACENT TO IT. I CAN UNDERSTAND THE HOMELESS WAS STILL, UH, THE FACTOR, BUT I I, WHAT I'VE SEEN IS AS NEW DEVELOPMENT COMES IN AND THEY FILL THESE LOTS THAT THE HOMELESS, UH, OUR HOUSE MOVES TO ANOTHER AREA, WHICH CAN CALL THAT, WHICH, WHICH CAN HELP WITH THE SAFETY ISSUE THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE, UH, SPEAKING OF. AND THEN COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, UM, NAMED OFF SOME OF THE USES THAT COULD GO THERE, WHICH, UM, WE KNOW THAT IN AIR, THESE, THOSE USES OFTEN CAN BE MORE, MORE HARMFUL THAN GOOD EXCEPT FOR MAYBE THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE AND ACTUALLY CAN HAVE A GREATER TRAFFIC IMPACT OR PARKING IMPACT. UM, RIGHT NEXT DOOR THEY HAVE TOBACCO SHOPS, CONVENIENCE STORES, THOSE THINGS THAT OFTEN, UM, BRING IN SOME ELEMENTS THAT ARE MORE HARMFUL TO THE COMMUNITY. SO THE COMPROMISE I THINK IS AMAZING AND HOPEFULLY THIS CAN HELP PROBABLY SOFTEN SOME OF THE, THE, THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, ONCE THEY SEE WHAT TYPE OF FACILITY HE IS AND HOPE THAT HE IS A GOOD NEIGHBOR. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. YOU OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT. WE'LL GO TO NUMBER 21. STAY IN DISTRICT 22. THANK YOU. ITEM 22 [22. 25-702A An application for 1) an MU-3 Mixed Use District, and 2) deed restrictions volunteered by the applicant on property zoned Subdistrict C and Subdistrict D within Planned Development District No. 852 and an RR Regional Retail District, on the northeast and northwest corners of Dallas North Tollway and President George Bush Turnpike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n application to replat a 0.3723-acre (16,218-square foot) tract of land containing all of Lot 1 in City Block 2770 to create one 7,810-square foot lot and one 8,408-square foot lot, on property located on La Vista Drive, west of Auburn Avenue.] GO TO 35. ITEM NUMBER 35 S 2 45 DASH 0 79. IT IS AN APPLICATION TO REPL A 0.3723 ACRE. THAT IS 16,218 SQUARE FOOT TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT ONE AND CITY BLOCK, UH, 2 7 7 0 TO CREATE ONE 7,810 SQUARE FOOT LOT AND ONE 8,408 SQUARE FOOT LOT ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON LA VISTA DRIVE AND, UH, LA VISTA DRIVE WEST OF AUBURN AVENUE. 16. NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY [07:10:01] ON FEBRUARY 3RD, 2025, AND WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLY AND FAVOR AND ZERO REPLY AND OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. OKAY. THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? YOU WANNA BE AROUND FOR QUESTIONS AVAILABLE. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONERS, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE THE APPLICANT SIR? YES. OKAY. YOU, YOU HAVE TO PRESS THE LITTLE BUTTON SO OUR FOLKS ONLINE CAN HEAR YOU. THANK YOU. I'M DOUGLAS HILDING. I LIVE AT 68 22 LA VISTA DRIVE, COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? C NONE. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF S TWO FIVE? I'M SORRY, IN THE MATTER OF S 2 4 5 0 7 9, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE ITS SUBJECT TO APPLIANCE WITH CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION [36. 25-716A An application to replat a 1.951-acre (84,984.94-square foot) tract of land containing part of Lots 3 and 4 in City Block 5835 and part of City Blocks 5835 and 5836 to create 13 residential lots ranging in size from 3,500 square feet to 7,0007.10 square feet and one common area, on property located on Wadsworth Drive, south of Ledbetter Drive.] CARRIES 36. ITEM NUMBER 36 S 2 45 DASH 0 81. IT IS AN APPLICATION TO REPLAT A 1.9 51 ACRE THAT IS EIGHT 84984.94 SQUARE FOOT TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING PART OF LOTS THREE AND FOUR IN CITY BLOCK 58 35, AND PART OF CITY BLOCKS 58 35 AND 58 36 TO CREATE 13 RESIDENTIAL LOTS RENTING IN SITES FROM 3,500 SQUARE FEET TO 7007.10 SQUARE FEET. UM, AND ONE COMMON AREA ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON REDWOOD DRIVE SOUTH OF LAKE BETER DRIVE. 13 NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON FEBRUARY 3RD, 2025. WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLY IN FAVOR AND GENERAL REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET, UH, AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. IS THERE? YES, SIR. ARE YOU HERE FOR THIS ONE? ARE YOU THE APPLICANT? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. CITY COUNCIL, CITY, UH, CITY, UH, STAFF AND ESPECIALLY MISS MS. RESTA AND, UH, MR. MOM FOR, UH, HELPING ME OUT ON, ON THIS PLAT. UH, THIS, UH, PROPERTIES SI OVER TWO ACRES AND, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO PLANT, UH, WE INITIALLY HAD FOR 15 LOTS AND WE REDUCED IT TO 13. UH, THERE'S A CREEK THAT RUNS IN BETWEEN, UH, THE LOTS AND WE OPEN U WE'RE USING IT AS AN OPEN SPACE. UH, WE'LL DO A TIMING STUDY TO KIND OF, UH, DETERMINE THE DETENTION POND, UH, IF WE NEED, NEED ON THAT AREA OR NOT. UH, BUT, UM, WE LIKE TO DEVELOP IT. IT'S A NICE PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER. COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, SIR? UH, MY NAME IS SAMIR RETA. THANK YOU MR. RETA. UH, WE DO HAVE ONE. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? NO. WE HAVE, UH, ONE SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION ON THIS ONE. MR. CARILLO? NOT ONLINE. COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER WITH IT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT PROCEDURES ON PLAS, BUT TH TO CREATE 3,500 SQUARE FOOT LOTS TO 7,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. UM, ARE, ARE THESE, I CAN'T ASK ABOUT THE, THE BILL, RIGHT? IS THESE GONNA BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? MM-HMM . SINGLE FAMILY TOWN HOMES SEPARATE. OH, OKAY. SO TOWN HOMES AND SINGLE FAMILY? YEAH. YEAH. TOWN HOMES, SINGLE FAMILY. OKAY. I'M GONNA ASK, SO SOME, I'M GONNA BE 3,500 SQUARE FEET AND THOSE ARE THE TOWN HOMES AND THE 7,000 SQUARE FEET IS GONNA BE WHAT? SINGLE, LIKE SINGLE, SINGLE HOMES? NO, IT'S A TOWN HOME, BUT IT'S NOT ATTACHED. SO THERE'S GONNA BE FIVE FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN, UH, THE LOTS. OKAY. SO, OKAY. ON EITHER SIDE. SO TOWN HOME TYPE. YEAH, IT'S JUST A SMALL, SMALL HOUSE AND THEN IT'S GOING TO HAVE COMBINED, UM, SOME, SOME GREEN SPACE OR JUST THE, THE RETENTION POND IS GOING TO BE USED AS A, THERE'S SOME TREES WE LIKE TO PRESERVE, UH, SO WE'LL JUST CLEAR IT OUT, WHATEVER WE CAN AND GRADE IT OUT. PUT SOME ROCKERY PREP AND THEN OKAY. MAINTAIN IT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER? COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT? YEAH, I, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION. WE'RE READY FOR YOUR MOTION, SIR. UH, CHAIRMAN IN THE, UH, MATTER OF CASE, UH, S 2 45 DASH OH EIGHT ONE, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ACCEPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE [07:15:01] WITH THE CONDITIONS EN LISTED IN THE DOCKET. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FORTE FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND FOR APPROVAL. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU SIR. COMMISSIONERS [CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR SIGNS - CONSENT ITEMS] WILL GO TO OUR CERTIFICATE OR APPROPRIATENESS FOR SIGNS, CASES 37 THROUGH 40. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THOSE ITEMS? WE DO HAVE SOME SPEAKERS ONLINE. I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE, UH, WE'LL WANT TO KEEP 'EM ON, ON CONSENT. DO WE WANT TO KEEP 'EM ON CONSENT? YES, WE DO. LET'S GET THOSE RIGHT IN. PLEASE. LET'S GET THIS RIGHT. OH, THERE YOU'RE GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. DO YOU CASE NUMBER THREE SEVEN. IT'S 2 2 5 0 1 1 4 0 0 0 8. CASE NUMBER THREE EIGHT IS 2 5 0 1 1 4 0 0 0 9. CASE NUMBER THREE NINE IS 2 5 0 1 1 4 0 0 1 0 CASE 4 4 0 IS 2 5 0 1 1 4 0 0 1 1. ALL CASES HAVE BEEN POSTED FOR HEARING AT THIS TIME. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. C-P-S-S-D-A-C. RECOMMENDATION IS A IS APPROVAL. UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF THOSE CASES? SEE NONE. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES. IN THE MATTER OF THE, UH MM-HMM CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE FOR SIGNS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA MATTERS? 37 THROUGH 40. I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THOSE MATTERS PER STAFF REC. UH, SURE. PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THOSE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT, UH, COMMISSION [Consideration of Appointments to CPC Committees] QUICKLY CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTMENTS TO CPC COMMITTEES. WE'RE GONNA ADD, UH, COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU SIR. COMMISSIONER NIGHTINGALE TO THE THOROUGHFARE COMMITTEE. COMMISSIONER HALT TO S-S-D-A-C COMMISSIONER. HALT TO THE RULES COMMITTEE. UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER TO ZAC AS VICE CHAIR AND, UH, JENNIFER SCRIPPS. TWO A-D-S-A-C. AND, UH, CHRIS AUGH IS AN ALTERNATE. CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] WE DIDN'T DO THE MINUTES. OKAY, LET'S GO BACK TO THE MINUTES. ALWAYS FORGET THE MINUTES. DO WE, DO WE HAVE A CHANCE TO ANYONE LOOK AT THE MINUTES? CAN WE HAVE A MO A MOTION TO HOLD THE MINUTES? I MOVE TO HOLD THE MINUTES TILL MARCH 6TH. I'LL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION? HOLD THE MINUTES TO MARCH 6TH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 5:56 PM COMMISSIONERS, ENJOY YOUR EVENING MEETING IS ADJOURNED. AYE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.