[Housing and Homelessness Solutions on February 24, 2025.]
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          ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND START WITH OUR AGENDA. 
          FIRST IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. THERE'S BEEN A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY CORRECTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR? SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. WE'LL NOW GO INTO OUR FIRST BRIEFING ITEM. 
          BUILDERS OF HOPE WILL BE PRESENTING THE ANTI-DISPLACEMENT TOOLKIT. 
          GO AHEAD. GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS STEPHANIE CHAMPION. 
          I SERVE AS CHIEF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND POLICY OFFICER AT BUILDERS OF HOPE CDC. 
          I'M HERE TODAY TO PRESENT ON OUR RECENTLY RELEASED. 
          EXCUSE ME, COULD YOU GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO YOUR MIC,
PLEASE, OR JUST MOVE THE MIC CLOSER? IS THAT BETTER? OH, WOW. OKAY. OKAY. ON OUR RECENTLY RELEASED ANTI-DISPLACEMENT TOOLKIT ENTITLED A RIGHT
TO STAY, I BROUGHT PHYSICAL COPIES TO DISTRIBUTE THAT YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU AND TO
THE PUBLIC. 
          ON THE LAST PAGE OF THIS PRESENTATION IS A QR CODE TO DOWNLOAD IT. 
          YOU CAN ALSO DOWNLOAD IT AT BOHCDC.COM, OR ANYONE IN THE IN THE CHAMBER WOULD LIKE A
PHYSICAL COPY. 
          I HAVE EXTRAS AND YOU CAN SEE ME AFTER. I'M ALSO JOINED ONLINE OR SHOULD BE JOINED ONLINE
BY PRESIDENT AND CEO JAMES ARMSTRONG, AS WELL AS ONE OF OUR DATA PARTNERS, COLIN WITTIG OF REINVESTMENT FUND. 
          CAN WE CONFIRM THAT THEY'RE ONLINE? THANK YOU. 
          OH, JUST OKAY. NEXT SLIDE. BEFORE WE BEGIN ANY DISCUSSION ON DISPLACEMENT,
IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THE ORIGINS OF DISPLACEMENT ON THIS LAND. AND THAT IS THE DISPOSSESSION AND FORCED REMOVAL OF INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES. 
          THE LAND THAT WE NOW RECOGNIZE AS DALLAS WAS ONCE A THRIVING HOME AND KEY TRADING POINT TO
MANY INDIGENOUS TRIBES, SUCH AS THE TAWAKONI, WICHITA AND KICKAPOO PEOPLE WHO EXPERIENCED MASS DISPLACEMENT AND
GENOCIDE IN THE 19TH CENTURY. 
          THE DESCENDANTS OF THESE TRIBES PERSIST IN PRESERVING AND CELEBRATING THEIR CULTURAL
HERITAGE. TODAY. 
          WE HONOR THEIR WORK AND RESILIENCE AND FIGHT AS WE FIGHT TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE ALL
VULNERABLE RESIDENTS AND NEIGHBORS IN DALLAS. 
          NEXT SLIDE. A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OUR PROJECT BACKGROUND. 
          IN 2022, BUILDERS OF HOPE SECURED GRANT FUNDING FROM THE JPMORGAN CHASE FOUNDATION AND THE
DALLAS FOUNDATION TO CREATE A CITYWIDE ANTI-DISPLACEMENT TOOLKIT TO ADDRESS THE SPECIFIC NEEDS OF DALLAS NEIGHBORHOODS EXPERIENCING GENTRIFICATION AND DISPLACEMENT. 
          IN 2023, WE PRESENTED TO THIS COMMITTEE AND ENTERED INTO AN MOU WITH THE CITY,
STATING OUR JOINT INTENTION TO COLLABORATIVELY DEVELOP POLICY ADDRESSING THE NEEDS OF VULNERABLE RESIDENTS FACING DISPLACEMENT PRESSURES. IN DALLAS,
WE SPENT TWO YEARS CONDUCTING POLICY RESEARCH, DEVELOPING AND REFINING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MAPPING METHODOLOGY,
CONDUCTING EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT, DRAFTING AND COMPILING POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS,
AND FINALLY LAUNCHED AND PUBLISHED OUR TOOLKIT IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR. 
          NEXT SLIDE. WHILE WE ARE LEADING OUT THIS WORK,
IT IS VERY MUCH BEEN A COLLABORATIVE PARTNERSHIP WITH POLICY EXPERTS, DATA PROFESSIONALS, ENGAGEMENT SPECIALISTS, AND COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS ACROSS THE CITY. 
          WE ARE INCREDIBLY PROUD TO HAVE CONVENED SUCH A STRONG TEAM OF EXPERTS ACROSS MULTIPLE
FIELDS AND ARE ESPECIALLY GRATEFUL TO OUR POLICY ADVISORS HEATHER WAY AND DR. 
          CALLUM CLARK, AS WELL AS OUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THE VISION STATEMENT THAT HAS BEEN SHARED WITH YOU PREVIOUSLY. 
          WITH THIS TOOLKIT, WE HOPE TO CREATE LASTING AND IMPACTFUL POLICY CHANGE WITHIN THE CITY
OF DALLAS, ENSURING THAT ONE VULNERABLE RESIDENTS AND HISTORICALLY MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES HAVE THE
RIGHT TO STAY, AS WELL AS THE OPPORTUNITY TO RETURN TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE FACE OF RAPID
DEVELOPMENT AND RISING HOUSING COSTS. 
          THAT TWO. OVER TIME, OPPORTUNITIES REMAIN FOR NEW LOW INCOME RESIDENTS TO MOVE INTO THE
COMMUNITY. 
          AND FINALLY, THAT ALL RESIDENTS, BUT ESPECIALLY THOSE MOST VULNERABLE TO DISPLACEMENT,
HAVE A MEANINGFUL ROLE IN SHAPING THE FUTURE OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          NEXT SLIDE. WE DEFINE GENTRIFICATION AS A PROCESS OF NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGE IN WHICH NEW
INVESTMENT FLOODS A HISTORICALLY MARGINALIZED NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          PROPERTY VALUES RISE, INCREASING HOUSING COSTS AND REDUCING THE SUPPLY OF EXISTING
AFFORDABLE UNITS. 
          THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS PHYSICALLY TRANSFORMED THROUGH THE INFLUX OF NEW HIGHER END
CONSTRUCTION. 
          NEIGHBORHOOD DEMOGRAPHIC SHIFT AS NEW HIGHER INCOME RESIDENTS MOVE IN. 
          EXISTING LOW INCOME RESIDENTS, OFTEN BLACK OR LATINO,
ARE DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY DISPLACED, AND THE CULTURAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS FUNDAMENTALLY AND FOREVER ALTERED. 
          NEXT SLIDE. GENTRIFICATION RESULTS IN VARIOUS TYPES OF DISPLACEMENT. 
          DIRECT DISPLACEMENT OCCURS WHEN RESIDENTS CAN NO LONGER AFFORD TO REMAIN IN THEIR HOMES
DUE TO RISING HOUSING COSTS. 
          INDIRECT OR EXCLUSIONARY. DISPLACEMENT REFERS TO CHANGES IN DEMOGRAPHICS WITH REGARDS TO
WHO CAN MOVE INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD, AS LOWER INCOME RESIDENTS ARE MOVING OUT, AND CULTURAL DISPLACEMENT IS THE PRACTICE OF
MAKING COMMUNITIES FEEL UNWELCOME AND ALIENATED IN THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOODS, EVEN WHEN THEY ARE ABLE TO STAY. NEXT SLIDE. TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW AND WHERE
GENTRIFICATION IS TAKING PLACE IN DALLAS. 
          WE SET OUT TO MAP EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY BASED ON STAGES OF NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGE
AND DISPLACEMENT RISK. 
          OUR STUDY TRACKS NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGE IN DALLAS OVER A TEN YEAR TIME FRAME FROM 2011 TO
2021. 
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OUR APPROACH ADAPTS AND BUILDS ON THE GENTRIFICATION MAPPING METHODOLOGY ORIGINALLY
DEVELOPED BY PROFESSOR LISA BATES AT PORTLAND STATE UNIVERSITY IN 2013 AND SINCE REPLICATED IN MANY CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY,
INCLUDING IN AUSTIN, TEXAS BY THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS UPROOTED PROJECT IN 2018. 
          LED BY PROFESSOR HEATHER WAY, WHO ALSO SERVED AS AN ADVISOR ON THIS PROJECT. 
          THIS METHODOLOGY UTILIZES A THREE PART GENTRIFICATION ANALYSIS,
WHICH EXAMINES WHERE VULNERABLE POPULATIONS LIVE IN THE CITY, WHICH NEIGHBORHOODS ARE EXPERIENCING DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGE,
AND THE STRENGTH AND CHANGE IN NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING MARKETS. 
          NEXT SLIDE. THE FIRST PART OF OUR ANALYSIS LOOKS AT WHICH NEIGHBORHOODS IN DALLAS HAVE
HIGH CONCENTRATIONS OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE ESPECIALLY VULNERABLE TO DISPLACEMENT IN THE FACE OF RISING HOUSING COSTS. AS YOU CAN SEE,
OUR VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES ARE HIGHLY CONCENTRATED IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR OF DALLAS, BUT THERE ARE ALSO POCKETS OF HIGH VULNERABILITY IN THE NORTH AS WELL. 
          NEXT SLIDE. THE SECOND PART OF OUR ANALYSIS ASSESSES CHANGES IN DEMOGRAPHICS OVER TIME,
INDICATING THAT VULNERABLE RESIDENTS ARE MOVING OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE LESS VULNERABLE RESIDENTS ARE MOVING IN. NEXT SLIDE. 
          THE THIRD PART OF OUR ANALYSIS MEASURES AND CLASSIFIES EACH NEIGHBORHOOD BY THE STRENGTH
AND GROWTH OF THEIR HOUSING MARKET. 
          HOUSING MARKET STRENGTH AND CHANGE WERE EVALUATED USING HOME SALE PRICES,
INVESTMENT LEVELS, AND TURNOVER RATES. AS YOU CAN SEE, A LARGE PORTION OF OUR SOUTHERN SECTOR IS CATEGORIZED
AS ACCELERATING, PUTTING SIGNIFICANT PRESSURES ON WHAT WE KNOW ARE ALREADY VERY VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES. 
          NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS OUR FULL GENTRIFICATION TYPOLOGY,
WHICH UTILIZES DATA FROM THE PREVIOUS THREE MAPS TO CHARACTERIZE EACH NEIGHBORHOOD AS ONE OF SIX CATEGORIES OF GENTRIFICATION. SUSCEPTIBLE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THE AREAS IN BROWN THAT
HAVE NOT YET EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT DEMOGRAPHIC OR HOUSING MARKET CHANGES BUT ARE ADJACENT TO ACCELERATING OR HIGH VALUE AREAS. 
          EARLY TYPE ONE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THE AREAS IN ORANGE. 
          THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE SEEING SIGNIFICANT MARKET PRESSURES BUT HAVE NOT YET EXPERIENCED
DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGE. 
          EARLY TYPE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THE AREAS IN DARK RED. 
          THESE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE NOT YET EXPERIENCED MARKET PRESSURES BUT ARE EXPERIENCING CHANGES
IN DEMOGRAPHIC DYNAMIC. 
          NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THE AREAS IN YELLOW. THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE EXPERIENCING BOTH HIGH
MARKET PRESSURE AND DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGE. 
          LATE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THE AREAS IN BLUE THAT ARE WELL INTO THE PROCESS OF NEIGHBORHOOD
CHANGE. 
          THESE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE SUSTAINED AND HIGH VALUE MARKETS AND HAVE EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT
DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES AS WELL. 
          FINALLY, HISTORIC LOSS NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THE AREAS IN DARK BLUE. 
          THESE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT EXPERIENCED GENTRIFICATION AND DISPLACEMENT OUTSIDE OF THE
TIME FRAME OF OUR TEN YEAR STUDY. 
          BUT WE STILL WANTED TO CAPTURE THEIR STORIES HERE,
SO WE EXPANDED IT AN ADDITIONAL 20 YEARS. 
          NEXT SLIDE. OUR FINDINGS SHOW THAT DISPLACEMENT PRESSURES ARE VARIED AND WIDESPREAD
THROUGHOUT DALLAS, WITH OVER 40% OF NEIGHBORHOODS EITHER SUSCEPTIBLE TO OR CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING SOME STAGE
OF GENTRIFICATION RANGING FROM EARLY TO MIDDLE TO LATE. 
          AND WHILE MUCH OF THE CITY IS FEELING THESE PRESSURES,
THERE ARE ALSO KEY INDICATORS THAT ILLUSTRATE WHERE GENTRIFICATION MAY ACCELERATE FASTER IN SOME AREAS THAN OTHERS, NAMELY PROXIMITY TO THE URBAN CORE AND OR THE PRESENCE AND
LOCATION OF TARGETED PUBLIC INVESTMENTS LIKE BOND PROJECTS OR PLACE BASED ECONOMIC INCENTIVES LIKE TIF DISTRICTS. NEXT SLIDE. 
          THIS LAST MAP SHOWS THE EXISTING TIF DISTRICTS OVERLAID WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TYPOLOGY. 
          OUR ANALYSIS ULTIMATELY REVEALS THAT SOCIAL VULNERABILITY,
MARKET FORCES, AND PUBLIC POLICY ALL PLAY A ROLE IN CREATING OR EXACERBATING DISPLACEMENT PRESSURES IN DALLAS NEIGHBORHOODS. UNDERSTANDING HOW THESE FACTORS INTERACT IN THE CONTEXT
OF GENTRIFICATION ALLOWS US TO BETTER ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF VULNERABLE RESIDENTS AND INTERVENE EARLY TO MITIGATE DISPLACEMENT AND PRESERVE OUR TREASURED NEIGHBORHOODS AND
COMMUNITIES BEFORE WE LOSE THEM ALTOGETHER. 
          AS DALLAS CONTINUES TO GROW AND DEVELOP, WE MUST BE HIGHLY INTENTIONAL ABOUT WHERE AND HOW
THAT GROWTH HAPPENS. 
          PRIORITIZING DEVELOPMENT THAT IS INCLUSIVE, EQUITABLE,
AND SUSTAINABLE. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. ALL OF THAT LEADS US TO OUR POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS,
WHICH ARE GUIDED BY THE VISION STATEMENT I SHARED EARLIER AND ORGANIZED AROUND THREE OVERARCHING GOALS. FIRST IS PROTECTING VULNERABLE RESIDENTS FROM DIRECT DISPLACEMENT. 
          SECOND, IS PRESERVING AND CONSTRUCTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IS APPROPRIATELY TARGETED
TO EXISTING AND FUTURE VULNERABLE RESIDENTS. 
          THIRD IS BUILDING AND RESOURCING COMMUNITY POWER TO PROMOTE NEIGHBORHOOD
SELF-DETERMINATION AND COMMUNITY STEWARDSHIP OF LAND AND BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT. 
          EACH GOAL IS THEN BROKEN DOWN INTO SUBGOALS WITH CORRESPONDING POLICY AND PROGRAMMATIC
RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          NEXT SLIDE. GOAL ONE INCLUDES SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PROTECTING VULNERABLE RENTERS,
SUCH AS EMERGENCY RENTAL AND RELOCATION ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS AND COMMUNITY PREFERENCE POLICIES, AS WELL AS SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOMEOWNERS,
INCLUDING PROPERTY TAX RELIEF FUNDS AND TARGETED HOME REPAIR PROGRAMS. NEXT SLIDE. GOAL TWO INCLUDES RECOMMENDATIONS FOR BOTH PRESERVING EXISTING AFFORDABLE
HOUSING UNITS, 
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SUCH AS THE CREATION OF AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PRESERVATION NETWORK AND A NEW DISPLACEMENT
MITIGATION ZONING OVERLAY, AND FOR CREATING NEW UNITS THROUGH THE ADOPTION OF A PUBLIC LAND FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING
POLICY AND A COMPREHENSIVE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM. 
          IT ALSO EMPHASIZES THE NEED TO ENSURE THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAMS APPROPRIATELY
TARGET AND SERVE OUR MOST VULNERABLE RESIDENTS. 
          NEXT SLIDE. GOAL THREE FOCUSES ON BUILDING COMMUNITY POWER AND CREATING OPPORTUNITY FOR
COMMUNITY CONTROL OF REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT THROUGH CAPACITY BUILDING INITIATIVES, INCLUSIVITY AND EQUITY IN CITY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS,
AND SHARED EQUITY HOUSING MODELS. 
          OUR TOOLKIT ULTIMATELY OFFERS DOZENS OF RECOMMENDED POLICIES,
STRATEGIES, AND SOLUTIONS FOR DIVERSE STAKEHOLDERS INTERESTED IN ADDRESSING RESIDENTIAL DISPLACEMENT IN VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES IN DALLAS. 
          AND WHILE ADOPTION AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS IS CRITICAL TO ACHIEVING
THESE GOALS, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THEY CANNOT BE ACCOMPLISHED BY A SINGLE ENTITY ALONE. 
          HOWEVER, THE CITY OF DALLAS DOES AND SHOULD HAVE A VERY LARGE AND CRUCIAL ROLE IN THIS
EFFORT. 
          NEXT SLIDE. WITH THAT, WE'VE IDENTIFIED OUR TOP FIVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE CITY OF
DALLAS. 
          AND THOSE ARE ONE. ADOPTING ENHANCED LEGAL PROTECTIONS FOR TENANTS TO THE FULLEST EXTENT
ALLOWABLE UNDER STATE LAW, INCLUDING MANDATORY TENANT PROTECTIONS IN ALL RENTAL PROPERTIES,
PARTICIPATING IN CITY SUBSIDY OR INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, A CITYWIDE TENANT RIGHT TO ORGANIZE ORDINANCE,
AND A CONTINUED RESOLUTION TO FUND THE PROVISION OF LEGAL AND MEDIATION SUPPORT FOR VULNERABLE TENANTS FACING EVICTION. TWO. FACILITATING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF AN AFFORDABLE
HOUSING PRESERVATION NETWORK TO COLLECTIVELY MONITOR AND TRACK. 
          AT RISK MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES AND COLLABORATE WITH BOTH PRIVATE SECTOR AND NONPROFIT
ENTITIES ON PRESERVATION STRATEGIES, INCLUDING PROPERTY ACQUISITION AND REHABILITATION. 
          THREE IS ADOPTING A RIGHT PRICED AFFORDABLE HOUSING POLICY FOR ALL CITY HOUSING PROGRAMS
THAT LOWERS EXISTING INCOME TARGETS TO PRIORITIZE HOUSEHOLDS EARNING 50% AMI AND BELOW FOR RENTAL UNITS, AND 80% AMI AND BELOW FOR HOMEOWNERSHIP UNITS. 
          FOUR IS INCORPORATING AND PRIORITIZING SHARED EQUITY HOUSING MODELS ACROSS ALL CITY
HOUSING PROGRAMS TO PROMOTE HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD STABILITY AND CREATE PERMANENT AFFORDABILITY. FINALLY,
FIVE PRIORITIZING THE DEVELOPMENT OF A DISPLACEMENT MITIGATION, ZONING OVERLAY OR OTHER SIMILAR TOOL TO PRESERVE AND STABILIZE THE PHYSICAL AND BUILT
CHARACTER OF NEIGHBORHOODS WITH HIGH CONCENTRATIONS OF NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT ARE AT INCREASED RISK OF TEAR DOWNS AND REDEVELOPMENT DUE TO
GENTRIFICATION. 
          NEXT SLIDE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU THIS MORNING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU TODAY. 
          I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR FIELD ANY TO JAMES OR COLIN ONLINE. 
          AND JUST WANT TO REMIND FOLKS THAT WE DO HAVE A QR CODE HERE TO DOWNLOAD OUR FULL TOOLKIT
FOR ANYONE ONLINE. 
          WOULD LIKE TO READ IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION AND FOR ALL THAT BUILDERS
FOR HOPE'S DOES FOR OUR CITY OF DALLAS. 
          A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION WOULD HAVE BEEN WONDERFUL A FEW MONTHS AGO. 
          TROY, IF YOU OR IF YOU CAN GO OVER THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE ORGANIZATION AND THE CITY, IS THERE ANY AGREEMENT, IS THERE ANY MOU. AND HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT HERE TODAY AND
THE INTENT? ONCE YOU HEAR FROM MY COLLEAGUES. HEY. GOOD MORNING. 
          THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN THOR ERICKSON, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR,
DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT ENTERED INTO A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH BUILDERS OF HOPE TO
WORK ACROSS DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, HAVE ACCESS TO DIFFERENT DIRECTORS, TALK ABOUT HOW DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS ARE ALL RELATED
TO ANTI-GENTRIFICATION STRATEGIES AND POLICIES. 
          BUILDERS OF HOPE CONDUCTED THIS INDEPENDENTLY. 
          THEY DID SHARE WITH US THROUGHOUT THEIR FINDINGS. 
          WE WERE INVOLVED IN PRESENTATIONS BECAUSE THIS IS A TOPIC THAT RELATES TO HOUSING POLICY
AS WELL AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, PLANNING, EQUITY, COMMUNITY CARE. SO TODAY THE MOU HAS HAS ENDED. 
          BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAID WE WOULD DO IS HELP SHARE THE SHARE THIS INFORMATION
WITH YOU ALL AS COUNCIL. 
          SO THIS BRIEFING COMES OUT OF THAT RECOMMENDATION TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION. 
          AS FAR AS WHAT'S NEXT? DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS HAVE LOOKED AT THE TOOLKIT PRETTY CLOSELY AND
UNDERSTAND WHAT POLICIES MIGHT CLOSELY ALIGN TO THEIR DEPARTMENTS, AND WE WORK ACROSS DEPARTMENTS TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE COULD ADVANCE SOME OF THIS WORK. 
          MANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS NEED MORE RESEARCH FROM STAFF OR LEGAL OPINIONS,
AND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO UNDERSTAND HOW DO WE WOULD WE WORK ON ALL ASPECTS, BUT FROM A FROM A MOMENT IN TIME WHERE WE DID NOT HAVE A COMPILATION OF POLICIES AND
STRATEGIES. 
          LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, IT'S A REALLY GREAT STARTING PLACE FOR US TO WORK
COLLABORATIVELY, BOTH INTERNALLY AND WITH OUR PARTNERS EXTERNALLY. 
          GREAT. THANK YOU. I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME REALLY GREAT POLICY THAT WE CAN TAKE
OUT OF THIS AND WE CAN CONNECT OFFLINE 
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ON IF THERE'S CONSENSUS AROUND THIS HORSESHOE ON WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. 
          WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO START TO MY LEFT WITH CHAIR GRACEY. 
          CHAIR MIDDLETON. THANK YOU. WELL, I THOUGHT THIS WAS A REALLY INTERESTING PRESENTATION,
AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. 
          WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT DISPLACEMENT AND GENTRIFICATION FOR A LONG TIME,
AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT IN REALLY HIGH LEVELS. 
          BUT WE KNOW THE NEED IS REALLY ON THE GROUND. 
          AND SO I THINK YOU TRY TO HIT BOTH SIDES OF THAT. 
          I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. FIRST, FOR THE CITY. 
          SO I LOOK AT THIS AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY DOES THIS WITH THEIR OWN DISTRICT WHERE WE KNOW
DOWN TO THE GRANULAR LEVEL. 
          AND I LOOK AT MY DISTRICT AND SOME OF THIS DOESN'T MATCH WHAT I KNOW. 
          AND SO HAS THE CITY VALIDATED THE FINDINGS IN THE REPORT. 
          THANK YOU. WE HAVE NOT BECAUSE LIKE I'M LOOKING AT AREAS WHERE AN ENTIRE THING IS ORANGE
AND EVERY BIT OF THAT IS APARTMENTS. 
          AND IT'S THE LOWEST RENT APARTMENTS PROBABLY IN OUR CITY. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S GENTRIFICATION HAPPENING. 
          AND IN FACT, I THINK THE RENTS HAVE ACTUALLY FALLEN. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE SPECIFIC MAPS AND KIND OF HOW
THOSE HAPPENED. 
          OKAY. THE NEXT THING I WANTED TO ASK OR SAY IS YOUR DEFINITION OF GENTRIFICATION,
I THINK IS THE BEST I'VE SEEN. 
          AND YOU LIST FIVE ITEMS AND YOU SAY NEW INVESTMENT,
INCREASE HOUSING COSTS, NEIGHBORHOODS PHYSICALLY BEING TRANSFORMED, DEMOGRAPHIC SHIFTS TO A HIGHER INCOME, LOW INCOME PEOPLE OF COLOR BEING DISPLACED AND
CULTURAL CHARACTERISTICS THE CULTURAL CHARACTERISTIC CHANGING. AND SO ARE YOU SAYING ALL FIVE ANYONE A COMBINATION OF
TWO OR MORE? WHAT IS THE SCOPE THAT YOU WOULD SAY MEETS THAT DEFINITION OF GENTRIFICATION? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I WOULD SAY I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A SPECIFIC ANSWER FOR YOU. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NECESSARILY HAS TO BE ALL FIVE. 
          BECAUSE I THINK WE SEE GENTRIFICATION HAPPENING IN TWO SPECIFIC WAYS TO TWO DISCRETE WAYS
SPECIFICALLY. 
          ONE IS WHERE THAT EARLY TYPE ONE CATEGORY THAT I DESCRIBED,
WHERE YOU SEE THE HOUSING MARKET PRESSURE FIRST BEFORE YOU SEE THE DEMOGRAPHICS SHIFT, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS YOU SEE THE DEMOGRAPHIC SHIFT BEFORE THE HOUSING MARKET
PRESSURES. SO ONE IS THIS IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CREATING TARGETED INVESTMENTS THAT ARE MAKING THE AREA MORE DESIRABLE TO
FOLKS, AND THEN THEY'RE MOVING IN. OR THERE COULD BE OTHER FACTORS THAT ARE MAKING THE AREA MORE
DESIRABLE TO FOLKS. 
          THEY START MOVING IN AND CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND THEN YOU SEE THE MARKET PRESSURES FOLLOW. 
          SO I WOULD SAY THAT THERE COULD BE A COMBINATION OF THOSE FIVE THINGS,
BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE ALL FIVE. 
          YEAH. SO LIKE SPECIFICALLY SOME OF THE AREAS THERE HAVE BEEN SOME DEMOGRAPHIC SHIFTS
REALLY FROM ONE MINORITY POPULATION TO ANOTHER, BUT ACTUALLY IT'S MADE THE AREA LESS DESIRABLE AND THERE'S MORE VACANCY AND LOWER RENTS. 
          AND SO, I'M NOT SURE HOW THOSE COULD BE CONSIDERED IN THE MAP AS GENTRIFYING. 
          IS THERE A SPECIFIC AREA YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT? I KNOW YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
MAPS WE HAVE. I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU OFFLINE ABOUT IT. I'M NOT SURE THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO GET INTO EACH NEIGHBORHOOD OF EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT. 
          AND I KNOW IT'S EASY TO TO GO THERE, BUT BUT SEVERAL OF THEM ON,
ON THE MAPS ARE IN THAT SCENARIO FOR ME. 
          OKAY. SO THE NEXT QUESTION THAT I HAVE FOR YOU THIS THREE PART GENTRIFICATION ANALYSIS,
RIGHT. 
          AND SO YOU MENTIONED VULNERABILITY. SO WHERE ARE THE VULNERABLE POPULATIONS? ARE DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES AND HOUSING MARKET CHANGE. 
          AND SO FOR DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGE, I'M CURIOUS, YOU KNOW,
A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S A PERCEPTION THAT GENTRIFICATION MEANS FROM A COMMUNITY OF COLOR TO A WHITE COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S SORT OF THE FIRST THING PEOPLE THINK ABOUT. 
          IS THAT ALSO WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, OR COULD IT BE FROM ONE MINORITY POPULATION TO
ANOTHER? THAT'S YEAH, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE'RE DESCRIBING. WHAT WE'RE DESCRIBING IS THE
DISPLACEMENT OF HISTORICALLY MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES FROM THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT WHITE FOLKS ARE MOVING IN TO DISPLACE THEM. 
          IT COULD MEAN MEMBERS OF THEIR OWN COMMUNITY OF A HIGHER INCOME ARE MOVING IN TO DISPLACE
THEM, OR MEMBERS OF ANOTHER MINORITY COMMUNITY OF HIGHER INCOME ARE MOVING IN TO DISPLACE THEM. 
          WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO CREATE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE INCLUSIVE AND EQUITABLE,
AND AS THEY DEVELOP, THEY CAN BECOME, IF THEY WERE NOT BEFORE MIXED INCOME OR IF THEY WERE ALWAYS MIXED INCOME, THEY CAN REMAIN SO. AND WHAT IF THEY WERE ALWAYS LOWER INCOME? WHAT IF THEY WERE ALWAYS LOWER INCOME? THEN THEY WOULD LIKELY BE PROBABLY IN ONE OF THE
BROWN OR GRAY AREAS OF OUR MAP THAT ARE SUSCEPTIBLE OR NOT YET EXPERIENCING ANY KIND OF 
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GENTRIFICATION. OKAY. AND SO I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU,
HOW HAS STAFF REVIEWED THIS PLAN WITH FORWARD DALLAS? IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S A NUMBER OF CONFLICTS THERE. 
          ANDREA IS ONLINE. ANDREA, IF YOU COULD COME IN AND ADDRESS THE QUESTION RELATED TO FORWARD
DALLAS, PLEASE. 
          OR PATRICK BLADES OR LAWRENCE, I THINK YOU'RE ALL ONLINE. 
          BUT WE CAN'T SEE THAT ANYBODY ELSE IS ONLINE. 
          USUALLY, WE CAN SEE THAT. SO THEY MAY NOT BE. 
          WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND MAYBE COME BACK TO THAT. 
          THERE IN YOUR VISION STATEMENT, YOU SAY THAT AND I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE IT SMALL THAT ALL
RESIDENTS, BUT ESPECIALLY THE MOST VULNERABLE TO DISPLACEMENT,
HAVE A MEANINGFUL ROLE IN SHAPING THE FUTURE OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND SO HOW DOES THAT INTERSECT WITH THE ACTUAL LANDOWNER? IT'S ABOUT CREATING INCLUSIVITY AND EQUITY IN CITY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS. 
          SO IF THAT OWNER IS SEEKING ANY CHANGE OR ANY ENTITLEMENT FROM THE CITY,
A ZONING CHANGE, FUNDING VARIANCES, ANY TYPE OF DENSITY BONUS IN IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS THAT THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AND ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO WILL BE IMPACTED BY THAT CHANGE AND FEEL DISPLACEMENT PRESSURES
BECAUSE OF THAT CHANGE SHOULD HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE AND SHOULD HAVE MEANINGFUL INPUT IN THAT PROCESS. AND SO, ARE YOU SAYING THAT LET'S SAY SOMEBODY COMES IN AND BUYS 25
ACRES OF LAND AND THEY WANT TO PUT AN EXCLUSIVE COMMUNITY THERE, THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD
NOT BE A MIXED INCOME AREA THAT THEIR PROPERTY RIGHTS SHOULD BE IN THIS HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION. 
          IS THAT LAND VACANT OR IS IT OCCUPIED? DOESN'T MATTER. 
          IT MATTERS FOR MY RESPONSE. SO IF YOU COULD ANSWER,
I THINK IF YOU'RE DISPLACING FOLKS IN THAT PROCESS, THEN IT DEFINITELY MATTERS. IF IT'S A VACANT LOT AND IT'S IN ONE OF OUR GENTRIFYING
NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT'S STILL GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT. IF YOU WANT TO CREATE A HIGH INCOME,
KIND OF LUXURY EXCLUSIVE COMMUNITY IN A VULNERABLE AREA, THAT'S STILL GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON EVERYONE ELSE WHO'S UNABLE TO ACCESS THAT. 
          AND FROM A FAIR HOUSING PERSPECTIVE, I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE ANY KIND OF LARGE,
EXCLUSIVE DEVELOPMENT IN ANY PART OF OUR CITY THAT DIDN'T HAVE AN AFFORDABILITY COMPONENT. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT MIXED INCOME DEVELOPMENT FROM A PUBLIC POLICY
PERSPECTIVE. 
          SO ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE COMING TO ASK ANYTHING OF THE CITY,
THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR INTERVENTION. 
          IF THEY'RE DEVELOPING BY RIGHT, THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP WITHIN THEIR EXISTING ZONING. 
          AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THAT. THAT IS THEIR RIGHT AS A PROPERTY
OWNER. BUT IF THEY'RE SEEKING ANYTHING FROM THE PUBLIC, THEN THE PUBLIC SHOULD HAVE AN INPUT ON WHAT IS THE EXCHANGE THERE AND HOW THAT
NEGOTIATION LOOKS LIKE. 
          AND YOU THINK THAT INCLUDES ZONING? I THINK THAT INCLUDES ZONING,
YES. 
          AND YOU THINK IT'S A FAIR HOUSING ISSUE. IF AN OWNER DECIDES TO ONLY BUILD AN EXCLUSIVE
DEVELOPMENT AS OPPOSED TO A MIXED INCOME, I DO, DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING, IF THEY'RE BUILDING IN AN EXCLUSIVE AREA THAT
HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY EXCLUSIVE TO LOW INCOME FOLKS AND COMMUNITIES OF COLOR, THEN YES, I THINK IT'S A FAIR HOUSING ISSUE TO CONTINUE TO BUILD A CERTAIN TYPE OF
HOUSING THAT IS EXCLUSIVE OF OTHER FOLKS AND OTHER INCOMES. AND THEN FOR THE CITY, HAVE WE RUN THIS THROUGH LEGAL? I MEAN, I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME ISSUES WITH THAT. 
          WE HAVE NOT. BUT HANNAH, IF YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO ANYTHING LEGAL RELATED. 
          AND THEN ANDREA IS NOW ONLINE, AS WELL AS OTHER SPEAKERS FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS. 
          GOOD MORNING, HANNAH PEACOCK, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. 
          OUR OFFICE HAS NOT YET REVIEWED THIS TOOLKIT. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN, ANDREA, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS WAS THE QUESTION WE
WERE ASKING BEFORE YOU JOINED WAS, HAVE YOU REVIEWED THIS TO NOTE ANY CONFLICTS WITH FOREIGN DALLAS? WE HAVE. AND WE WERE WORKING WITH BUILDERS OF HOPE AND PARTNERING WITH THEM AND HAVING
DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM AND MEETING IN WEST DALLAS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF FORT WORTH-DALLAS. SO YES, THIS AND A LOT OF THE DATA THAT THEY WERE USING,
WE'VE ALSO ADDED INTO OUR 
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DATA METRICS COMING OUT OF FORWARD DALLAS. SO,
I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THERE ARE ANY CONFLICTS WITH FORWARD DALLAS. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL FROM THE TOOLKIT IS TO LOOK AT THAT
ANTI-DISPLACEMENT MITIGATION OVERLAY, AND THAT IS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT IS ALSO INCLUDED IN FORWARD DALLAS. 
          OKAY. WELL, YOU MISSED THE PART WHERE I WAS TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY IN DISTRICT 12. 
          I THINK THERE'S A NUMBER OF AREAS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN MISIDENTIFIED,
AND I WOULD. 
          OH, I WAS HERE. YEAH, I WAS HERE. YOU WERE THERE. 
          OKAY, GOOD. OKAY. SO THEN THE LAST SECTION I WANT TO ASK YOU A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT
ARE THE FIVE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND IF YOU COULD MAYBE EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT THEY ARE. 
          SO LEGAL PROTECTIONS FOR TENANTS, WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU SEEKING? I'M SEEKING KIND OF BASIC LEGAL PROTECTIONS THAT YOU SEE IN MANY STATES ACROSS THE COUNTRY
THAT UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE BARRED FROM MUNICIPALITIES ARE BARRED FROM ENACTING IN TEXAS. BUT WHERE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROTECT TENANTS IS IN
ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT IS SEEKING A CITY SUBSIDY OR INCENTIVE. SO IF THEY ARE A PFC PROPERTY,
HFC PROPERTY, LATEC PROPERTY THAT'S SEEKING A LETTER OF SUPPORT OR NO CONTEST, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE CAN ADD STRINGS TO THAT. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER CITIES IN TEXAS IS A STANDARD LEASE
ADDENDUM THAT WE REQUIRE FOLKS TO HAVE THAT HAS THESE STANDARD BASIC TENANT PROTECTIONS IN IT. I'M TALKING ABOUT LIKE RIGHT TO CURE ADVANCE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS,
REALLY BASIC THINGS THAT WE KNOW JUST HELP TENANTS LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD BECAUSE THEY ARE WALKING INTO ANY DISPUTE WITH THEIR LANDLORD,
WITH THE DECK STACKED, THE DECK STACKED AGAINST THEM. 
          EXCUSE ME IN TEXAS. SO THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE START WITH CITY HOUSING
PROJECTS FIRST. 
          AND THEN IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE. 
          WE ALREADY HAVE THE MODEL OF HOW WE CAN BEST PROTECT VULNERABLE TENANTS. 
          OKAY. AND THEN CAN YOU TALK? WHAT? WHAT DOES IT MEAN? THE RIGHT PRICED AFFORDABLE HOUSING POLICY. THIS IS THE IDEA OF SERVING OUR NEIGHBORS AND
OUR RESIDENTS WHO ARE THE MOST COST BURDENED AND THE MOST VULNERABLE TO DISPLACEMENT, AND NOT JUST FROM A DISPLACEMENT PERSPECTIVE,
BUT JUST FROM AN EQUITY PERSPECTIVE AS WELL. 
          IT'S ABOUT HOW ARE WE BEING THE BEST PUBLIC STEWARDS OF OUR DOLLARS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS TO
SERVE THE FOLKS WITH THE MOST NEED. AND RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE NOT BEEN DOING THAT AS A CITY. 
          WE'VE BEEN SERVING MIDDLE INCOME FAMILIES PRIMARILY AND IGNORING OUR LOWEST INCOME
RESIDENTS AND NOT HAVING ENOUGH. 
          I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. THE NEXT ONE IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING PRESERVATION NETWORK. 
          WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY MEAN? THIS IS JUST ABOUT,
AS A CITY CREATING A PLAN FOR ALL OF THE EXISTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SPECIFICALLY MULTIFAMILY UNITS THAT ARE AGING OUT OF EXISTING LAND USE RESTRICTION
AGREEMENTS LIKE [INAUDIBLE] PROPERTIES OR EVEN NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WE KNOW ARE SLATED FOR REDEVELOPMENT JUST BECAUSE OF THE AREA THAT THEY'RE
IN. 
          IT'S ABOUT CREATING A NETWORK OF FOLKS AND BUILDING THE CAPACITY OF EXISTING NONPROFIT AND
PRIVATE HOUSING DEVELOPERS TO COME IN AND HAVE A PLAN FOR ACQUISITION AND REHABILITATION,
AND THEN THE LONG TERM AFFORDABILITY OF THOSE UNITS. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING OF THE CITY IS JUST TO KIND OF KICK START THAT PROCESS AND BE THE
CONVENER OF BRINGING THESE FOLKS TO THE TABLE AND TO START GATHERING THE DATA. 
          SO WE HAVE A PLACE TO START THAT CONVERSATION. 
          OKAY. AND I CAN ADD REAL QUICK THAT WAS PART OF OUR HOUSING ACTION PLAN. SO,
WE'VE STARTED SOME OF THAT WORK ALREADY. 
          WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT FOR SOME TIME. 
          AND DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOUR POLICY OBJECTIVES ARE FOR SHARED EQUITY HOUSING
MODELS. 
          YES, I WOULD LOVE TO. SO, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A SHARED EQUITY. 
          SO IT'S CALLED SHARED EQUITY. AND THAT'S KIND OF A MISNOMER. 
          IT'S REALLY SHARED APPRECIATION. BUT A SHARED EQUITY HOUSING MODEL REFERS TO A MODEL WHERE
IT'S TYPICALLY A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST. RIGHT. THAT'S ONE OF THE FOUNDATIONS OF SHARED EQUITY,
WHERE THE OWNERSHIP IS SPLIT BETWEEN A NONPROFIT OR OTHER ENTITY AND THE OWNER, WHICH THEN KIND OF TAKES THE LAND OUT OF THE EQUATION AND LOWERS THE
LOWERS THE TAX LIABILITY OF THE HOMEOWNER. AND SO THEY'RE ONLY PAYING TAXES ON THE RESALE PRICE OF THEIR
HOME, WHICH IS THE IMPROVEMENT. AND THEN THE LAND SUBJECT TO A GROUND LEASE. 
          SO THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, WHICH WE KNOW WE'RE WORKING ON IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. 
          AND THEN WHAT WE WANT TO SEE AS WELL IS THE CITY CAN PRIORITIZE SHARED EQUITY HOUSING IN
ALL OF ITS HOUSING MODELS OUTSIDE OF A COMMUNITY 
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LAND TRUST. SO ANYONE COMING TO THE TABLE ASKING FOR NOFA FUNDS FOR A SINGLE FAMILY
DEVELOPMENT, OR EVEN A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IF THEY ARE PUTTING LONG TERM AFFORDABILITY COMPLIANCE
PERIODS WITH RESALE RESTRICTIONS AND A RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL THAT IS ALSO CONSIDERED SHARED EQUITY. 
          AND WHY WE FEEL SO STRONGLY ABOUT THIS IS THAT IT'S A BETTER BANG FOR OUR BUCK AS A CITY
IF WE ARE AWARDING THESE FUNDS, BECAUSE THEN WE ARE CREATING LONG TERM AND POTENTIALLY PERMANENT AFFORDABILITY,
AND WE ARE MAINTAINING OUR INVESTMENT IN THAT HOME AND IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS THEN PASSED ON TO FAMILY OR PASSED ON TO,
YOU KNOW, GENERATIONS OF THAT FAMILY OR OTHER OWNERS IF THEY TRANSFER THE PROPERTY AS OPPOSED TO OUR EXISTING MODEL, WHICH IS JUST AN INITIAL SUBSIDY WITH A FIVE YEAR,
MAYBE IF THAT AFFORDABILITY COMPLIANCE PERIOD AND THEN THAT HOMEOWNER CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT AFTER THAT. SO WE'RE BUILDING EQUITY IN ONE FAMILY,
BUT WE'RE NOT BUILDING PERMANENT AFFORDABILITY WITH ANY OF OUR MODELS CURRENTLY. 
          AND DO YOU WANT TO TALK AT ALL ABOUT THAT THOR IN RELATION TO CITY POLICY. 
          SO FOR THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST POLICY. 
          AND CYNTHIA IS COMING UP HERE AS WELL. WE EXPECT AN APPLICATION FROM A GROUP ORGANIZING
RIGHT NOW TO RECEIVE MUNICIPAL DESIGNATION FOR A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST. 
          IN TERMS OF THE OUTLINING FOR OUR NOFA AND EVERYTHING,
CYNTHIA WILL CHIME IN. 
          AND WE'VE HAD THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW. 
          ARE THERE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT HAVE AVAILED THEMSELVES? SO WE DO NOT HAVE A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST. OUR PROGRAM IS THE PROCESS TO GET MUNICIPAL
DESIGNATION. 
          SO A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST ORGANIZATION NEEDS TO BE A NONPROFIT OR AN LLC SPECIFICALLY FOR
THIS PURPOSE. 
          TO DATE, NO ORGANIZATION IN DALLAS HAS CHOSEN TO APPLY FOR THAT DESIGNATION. 
          IT'S SIMILAR TO A COMMUNITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION OR APPLICATION,
BUT FOR THE SPECIFIC OF THE SHARED EQUITY MODEL. 
          THERE IS A GROUP FORMING RIGHT NOW THAT WE ANTICIPATE RECEIVING AN APPLICATION TO VERIFY
THAT AND THEN BRING THAT FORWARD TO THIS COMMITTEE FOR BRIEFING PRESENTATION BEFORE TO COUNCIL FOR A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT. 
          CYNTHIA. GOOD MORNING. CYNTHIA ERICKSON, DIRECTOR FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND SO, AS YOU'VE HEARD TODAY, WE ARE DOING QUITE A QUITE MANY OF THOSE THINGS THAT HAVE
BEEN MENTIONED WORKING TO GET A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, WORKING ON SERVING PEOPLE AT THE MOST NEEDY PEOPLE AT 50% AND BELOW AND DOING MORE SINGLE
FAMILY HOMEOWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES. 
          SO THERE ARE THERE ARE MANY THINGS WE ARE ALREADY WORKING ON IN REGARD TO HOW WE SET LONG
TERM AFFORDABILITY REQUIREMENTS, WHICH MOST OF OUR UNITS ARE NOT FIVE YEARS. THEY ARE MUCH LONGER THAN FIVE YEAR
AFFORDABILITY TERM. 
          BUT AS STEPHANIE MENTIONED, THEY CAN PAY OFF THAT TERM AND WE REINVEST THOSE DOLLARS INTO
AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          RESALE PROVISIONS ARE A LITTLE TRICKY, ESPECIALLY ON OUR FEDERAL DOLLARS. 
          AND SO WE WOULD HAVE TO DO MORE RESEARCH AND TALKING WITH OUR DEVELOPERS AND THE CITY
SYSTEMS IN MANAGING LONG TERM AFFORDABILITY. 
          AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, YOU WERE HERE WHEN I CAME SEVERAL YEARS AGO TO TALK ABOUT OUR
PORTFOLIO AND HOW WE HAD TO CLEAN UP THE PORTFOLIO, BECAUSE IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO MANAGE WHEN YOU HAVE SUCH LONG TERM AFFORDABILITY
REQUIREMENTS AND STAFF TURNOVER IS DOES HAPPEN NATURALLY. 
          SO WE'D HAVE TO LOOK MORE INTO DOING THOSE TYPES OF CHANGES TO OUR PROGRAMS,
BUT CERTAINLY OPEN FOR DISCUSSION AND OPEN FOR REVIEWING THOSE DIFFERENT MODELS. SO I STILL HAVE ONE MORE OF THE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS ASK HER
ABOUT. 
          BUT OF THE ITEMS, I MEAN, YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY READ THIS. 
          YOU KNOW THIS. I MEAN, DO YOU THINK THIS WILL HELP US GENERATE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING,
OR WILL IT ACTUALLY BE MORE OF A CHALLENGE FOR DEVELOPERS? I THINK IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE DEVELOPERS TO DO. 
          AS I MENTIONED, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING,
DEVELOPERS DO VERY, VERY VERY ACCOMMODATING. 
          THEY, THEY SUCH AS OUR LONG TERM AFFORDABILITY REQUIREMENTS WORKING WITH OUR HOME AND CDBG
DEVELOPERS, THEY ALREADY HAVE TERMS IN THEIR LEASES THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET FOR FEDERAL PURPOSES. 
          AND THEY ARE PROTECTIONS, RIGHT? I MEAN, CITY BY CITY,
CDBG AND HOME ARE THE SAME RULES THEY ARE. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT FOR DALLAS THAN OTHER PLACES. 
          YES. SO, IT WOULD JUST DEPEND ON WHO IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO. 
          SO AGAIN, PUTTING IN TERMS FOR LEASES AND AFFORDABILITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT CAN JUST BE
DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAVE. 
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AND WE DO WANT TO HEAR FROM OUR DEVELOPERS TO HEAR WHAT IT DOES TO THEM. 
          WHEN WE ADD CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS, AS WE ARE LOOKING AT IN OUR HFC AND PFC ACTIVITIES NOW,
AND I THINK IT'S JUST MORE DISCUSSION ON WHAT IS POSSIBLE AND WHAT WOULD HINDER OUR AFFORDABILITY OPPORTUNITIES. 
          AND SO THAT IS WHAT WE DO NOT WANT TO DO IS HALT ANY PRODUCTION THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY GET. 
          SO WE WOULD CAREFULLY VET THESE IDEAS. OKAY. AND THEN IF I COULD JUST GO BACK TO YOUR LAST
POLICY RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS DISPLACEMENT MITIGATION ZONING OVERLAY,
IF YOU COULD JUST EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT IT IS YOU SPECIFICALLY LIKE TO SEE. 
          YEAH. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE STILL ACTIVELY DISCUSSING WITH THE PLANNING AND
DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT ABOUT WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE. 
          BUT THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'VE MADE HERE THAT WE ALSO ADVOCATED FOR THROUGH THE FORWARD
DALLAS PROCESS AND PASS THROUGH THE FORWARD DALLAS POLICY, IS THIS IDEA OF A DISPLACEMENT MITIGATION ZONING OVERLAY,
SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE KIND OF STRONGER THAN AN NSO, BUT NOT AS BURDENSOME AS A CONSERVATION DISTRICT,
AND SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY LIKE, REALLY WHAT WE CALL TURNKEY, THAT YOU CAN IDENTIFY WHICH NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD REALLY BENEFIT FROM IT AND THEN GO TO
THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AND RECOMMEND IT FOR THEM, RATHER THAN HAVING THE NEIGHBORHOODS THEMSELVES ORGANIZE TO DO IT,
WHICH WE KNOW IS INCREDIBLY BURDENSOME, ESPECIALLY FOR LOW INCOME AND VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES TRYING TO ENACT OR IMPLEMENT THESE
EXISTING TOOLS. 
          BUT SOMETHING THAT SPEAKS MORE TO THE CHARACTER AND DESIGN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND
MAINTAINING AND PRESERVING THAT SO THAT WE ARE DISCOURAGING THESE REALLY HIGHLY INTRUSIVE AND INCOMPATIBLE MCMANSIONS THAT,
MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, TURN INTO SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THESE IN THESE VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES. SO HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CREATING KIND OF A MORE STANDARDIZED RULES
FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS? AND I THINK ANDREA CAN SPEAK A BIT MORE TO SOME OF THE OTHER IDEAS PLANNING
AND DEVELOPMENT IS CONSIDERING THERE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. CHAIR. THANK YOU. 
          BEFORE I GO BACK TO MY RIGHT, I'M GOING TO LET CHAIR GRACEY JUMP IN REAL QUICK. 
          YEAH. THANK YOU. AND I SEE SO THESE TOOLKITS,
THEY IDENTIFY SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES WITH, YOU KNOW, GENTRIFICATION AND DISPLACEMENT ACROSS DALLAS NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          BUT MANY OF THEM ALSO STRUGGLE WITH, YOU KNOW,
ACCESS TO FOOD. 
          SO, IN THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, HOW DO WE WORK OR HOW DO WE BUILD PROGRAMS TO ALSO ENSURE
THAT GROCERY STORES ARE ATTRACTED TO AND ACTUALLY WANT TO COME TO THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WHILE WE'RE BOTH SUSTAINING
AND TRYING TO? HOW DOES THAT ALL FIT INTO THIS? BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING WE STRUGGLE,
WE STRUGGLE WITH CONTINUOUSLY IN SOUTHERN DALLAS. 
          SURE. WHAT I'VE ALWAYS HEARD ABOUT GROCERY STORES IS THAT YOU NEED ROOFTOPS,
RIGHT? YOU NEED TO HAVE MORE DEVELOPMENT, MORE HOMES,
MORE APARTMENTS OR WHATEVER. 
          MORE, MORE FOLKS IN THAT AREA, MORE DENSITY. AND WE ARE NOT AGAINST DENSITY AS IT RELATES
TO DISPLACEMENT. 
          WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE GROW, WE'RE GROWING IN A RESPONSIBLE AND EQUITABLE
WAY. 
          SO FOR EVERY TEN HOMES YOU BUILD IN A NEIGHBORHOOD,
YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE CREATING A MIXED INCOME COMMUNITY. 
          SO WE WANT TO CREATE MIXED INCOME COMMUNITIES IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN MIXED
INCOME. 
          RIGHT. SO WE ENCOURAGE MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT,
BUT ALSO NOT JUST MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE MAKE SURE WE'RE INCLUDING AN AFFORDABLE PRODUCT IN THERE AS WELL. 
          SO AS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGES, THE EXISTING FOLKS CAN STILL HAVE ACCESS TO HOMEOWNERSHIP
IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND THEN FOR, YOU KNOW, THE OPPOSITE, WHEN YOU HAVE THESE KIND OF HIGH INCOME,
EXCLUSIVE COMMUNITIES, WE WANT TO THEN CREATE MIXED INCOME WHERE THERE NEVER WAS AS WELL. 
          BUT THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE'RE NOT ABOUT WE DON'T WANT TO SLOW THE
DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, AND WE DON'T WANT TO HINDER AFFORDABLE DEVELOPMENT OR ANY DEVELOPMENT,
BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE GROWING AND DEVELOPING IN A RESPONSIBLE WAY THAT IS CULTURALLY SUSTAINABLE. SURE. AND MANY TIMES,
AND THANK YOU, BY THE WAY, FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. AND IT'S NOT YOU, THE DEVELOPERS OF THESE TYPE OF IDEAS THAT ARE TRYING
TO DO IT. 
          SOMETIMES IT'S THE PERCEPTION. SO AGAIN, AS WE IMPLEMENT THESE POLICIES,
HOW DO WE. 
          ALSO MOVE PAST THE PERCEPTION OF WHAT THAT TYPE OF COMMUNITY CAN DO AND HOW IT CONTRIBUTES
AND DRIVES BECAUSE, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, GROCERIES, ROOFTOPS OR YOU KNOW,
IN OUR CASE, YOU KNOW, MAY BE TOO MANY APARTMENTS THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK AT US IN DISTRICT THREE, IN PARTICULAR,
IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT HAS ALL OF THE ABOVE, 
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AND WE STILL SEEM TO STRUGGLE IN TERMS OF THAT. 
          SO I'M JUST, AGAIN, MAYBE RAMBLING JUST A LITTLE BIT,
BUT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ABLE TO ALSO FACTOR IN,
YOU KNOW, AND ENTICE GROCERY STORES TO ALSO WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS TYPE OF COMMUNITY. 
          SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR WEST. THANK YOU,
CHAIR, FOR BRINGING THIS AND GREAT TO HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN. 
          REALLY HAPPY THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE LOOKING AT THIS. 
          I REMEMBER BACK WHEN WE HAD DIRECTOR NOGUERA UP HERE,
IT WAS SOMETHING A LOT OF US WERE ASKING FOR IS A DISPLACEMENT POLICY. 
          SO IT'S NICE. THANK YOU STAFF FOR ENTERTAINING THIS AND WORKING TOGETHER WITH BUILDERS OF
HOPE. 
          OKAY, SO I'M KIND OF ALL OVER THE BOARD ON THIS,
BUT I DO WANT TO I'M GOING TO TRY TO BE AS ORGANIZED AS POSSIBLE. 
          SO, THOR WHAT DO YOU SEE AS OUR MOST POWERFUL EXISTING ANTI-DISPLACEMENT TOOLS THAT WE
HAVE RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY, OR CYNTHIA, I MEAN, WHOEVER. I THINK THERE'S A HANDFUL. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE STRONGEST THINGS WE HAVE GOING RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE'RE WORKING ACROSS
DEPARTMENTS, RIGHT? IT'S NOT A ONE DEPARTMENT TRYING TO TACKLE THIS. 
          AND WITHOUT THE VIEWPOINT OF OUR EQUITY OFFICE,
OUR PLANNERS, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOLKS AND OUR HOUSING FOLKS, WE WOULD NOT HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO COLLECTIVELY. 
          SO TO YOUR POINT, COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY ABOUT LOOKING IN OUR TARGET AREAS AND HOW DO WE
BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER TO LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS TOGETHER? THAT'S PART OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING IN OUR COLLABORATION,
SOME OF OUR POLICIES THAT I THINK ARE STRONG. 
          WE HAVE DEDICATED FUNDS FOR HOME REPAIR AND COMMUNITIES THAT ALIGN WITH THIS. 
          WE HAVE STRATEGIES OF WORKING WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE TEN YEARS OF TENURE FOR HOMEBUYER
ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS. THROUGH OUR HOP TEN PROGRAM, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST POLICY THAT I THINK WOULD HAVE
REALLY GOOD RESULTS IN THAT SHARED EQUITY MODEL. 
          THERE'S SOME ROOM TO IMPROVE EVERYTHING ON HOW IT WORKS AND HOW DO WE APPLY THIS,
AND HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO LEARN ABOUT SPECIFIC LOCATIONS THAT IT APPLIES. 
          BUT I THINK SOME OF THE STRONGEST THINGS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE MORE THAN JUST ME OR
HOUSING STAFF LOOKING AT WHAT CAN WE DO. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HEAD TO HAVE THE MOST IMPACT. 
          SO I BELIEVE THE STRONGEST THING WE HAVE IS SOME CONTROL. 
          WE VET OUR DEALS; WE LOOK AT OUR PROJECTS AND WE VET EVEN OUR INDIVIDUAL LAND BANK
DEVELOPMENT TO SEE WHAT IT IS WE'RE DOING. WE REQUIRE LOWER INCOMES TO BE SERVED IN MOST OF OUR PROGRAMS,
IF NOT ALL OF THEM, AND MOST OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS CLOSE TO ALL OF THEM. 
          SO, I THINK THAT IS THE STRONGEST THING WE HAVE,
IS THE ABILITY TO CONTROL WHAT IT IS WE DO WANT TO SEE IN COMMUNITIES AND IN OUR PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS. HOW DO YOU SEE THIS TOOLKIT AS ENHANCING WHAT WE ALREADY
HAVE WITHOUT ADDING AN ADDITIONAL LAYER OF COMPLEXITY TO CHAIR MENDELSSOHN'S POINT? YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS HEAR THAT DALLAS IS TOO COMPLICATED. 
          PEOPLE ARE NOT DEVELOPING HERE, NOT BUILDING NEW AFFORDABLE HOUSING HERE BECAUSE WE'RE TOO
ONEROUS AND WE'RE TOO MANY, TOO MUCH RED TAPE. HOW CAN WE TAKE THE BEST PARTS OF THIS TOOLKIT AS YOU SEE IT,
TO ENHANCE WHAT WE HAVE WITHOUT ADDING MORE COMPLEXITY? I THINK WE ALREADY STARTED DOING THAT. WE'VE LOOKED AT WHAT IT IS WE DO,
WHAT HOW WE FUNCTION AND HOW WE PRODUCE HISTORICALLY, AND WE'VE ALREADY IMPROVED ON HOW THAT'S DONE. 
          NOW WE TAKE THIS TOOLKIT AND DIVE DEEPER INTO THE POINTS THAT ARE BEING MADE AND HOW WE
ARE ALREADY FUNCTION IN THEM, AND HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT BETTER THROUGH MORE COLLABORATION WITH, AS THOR MENTIONED, OUR DEPARTMENTS AS WELL AS WITH OUTSIDE ENTITIES. 
          AND WHEN WE TALK TO PEOPLE, IT'S ALL ABOUT EDUCATING OUR DEVELOPERS IN ENOUGH ADVANCE
NOTICE SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE. IT'S NO SECRET THAT OUR FUNDING IS LIMITED,
AND WE SERVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND PRODUCE AS MANY UNITS AS WE CAN, SO WE'RE ALREADY LIMITED ON HOW MUCH WE ARE CONTRIBUTING TO ANY
DEVELOPMENT DEAL. 
          SO IT IS THE DEVELOPERS BRINGING THAT MONEY TO US AND TALKING WITH BANKS ABOUT HOW WE WANT
TO CONTINUE TO BE BETTER AND TO GROW OUR FUNDS WITH BANKS AND OTHER ENTITIES SO THAT WE'RE BETTER ALL GOING IN THE SAME DIRECTION
WITH THESE POINTS OR SOME OF THESE POINTS. 
          OKAY, I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO THAT, BUT THANK YOU. 
          I WANT TO USE AN EXAMPLE THAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH IN MY DISTRICT,
WHICH WE JUST TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK, TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS POLICY PLAYS INTO IT. I WANT TO GO TO A SLIDE THAT IS ENTITLED
HOUSING MARKET STRENGTH AND CHANGE. 
          SO I CAN TALK THROUGH THIS. AND WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT,
I JUST I JUST HEARD THE IF YOU CAN BRING THAT UP ON THE DISPLACEMENT 
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MITIGATION ZONING OVERLAY, I JUST HEARD THE DESCRIPTION EXPLAINED TO CHAIR MENDELSOHN,
AND I WOULD JUST BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT DOING THESE OVERLAYS THAT END UP BEING LIKE A CONSERVATION DISTRICT. MY CONSERVATION DISTRICTS ARE MY EXPENSIVE,
MOST EXPENSIVE NEIGHBORHOODS IN OAK CLIFF, AND THEY'RE JUST GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE. AND SO,
TO THE EXTENT WE WANT TO REGULATE DOWN TO THAT DETAILED LEVEL, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO PREVENT. IT'S GOING TO GET THE RESULT WE WANT. 
          WE'VE JUST GOT TO BE VERY INTENTIONAL. I'M SURE YOU'VE TALKED THROUGH THAT. THAT WOULD
JUST BE MY CAUTION ON THAT. 
          OKAY. SO, I'M LOOKING FOR THE SLIDE THAT SAYS HOUSING MARKET STRENGTH AND CHANGE. 
          IT'S A MAP. I DON'T HAVE A SLIDE NUMBER. OKAY. 
          GREAT. THIS IS IT. SO YOU CAN SEE DISTRICT ONE IS DEFINED BY I30. 
          AND THIS IS AN ILLUSTRATIVE THING THAT THAT SHOULD APPLY TO THE WHOLE CITY. 
          SO, 30 AND THEN 35. SO, OAK CLIFF IS CHANGING RAPIDLY ACCORDING TO THIS MAP. 
          AND I THINK YOUR DATA IS PROBABLY PRETTY ACCURATE ON THIS. 
          MY DISTRICT IS ONE OF THE MOST ACTIVE ONE JUST AFTER WEST DALLAS. 
          BUT ON THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER OF MY DISTRICT,
WE'VE BROUGHT IN MOUNTAIN VIEW COLLEGE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND MOUNTAIN VIEW COLLEGE IN THE LAST REDISTRICTING. IT'S DEFINED ON THIS MAP AS A STABLE HOUSING MARKET. 
          DO YOU SEE THIS FOR STEPHANIE? DO YOU SEE THIS AS A STABILITY IS A DESIRED OUTCOME IN YOUR
TOOLKIT? IT. THAT REALLY DEPENDS. SO I WOULD NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC AREA. 
          STABILITY IS AN OUTCOME WHEN IT IS ALREADY IN AN INCLUSIVE,
MIXED INCOME, CULTURALLY SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY. 
          BUT AS WE KNOW, THAT DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO COME TO NEIGHBORHOODS,
ESPECIALLY AS THEY BECOME, QUOTE, MORE DESIRABLE AS INVESTMENT PROJECTS APPEAR. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE MOUNTAIN VIEW COLLEGE. IF ANYTHING'S HAPPENING
OVER THERE, IF THERE'S DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING. 
          BUT AS WHAT THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT COMMUNITIES REMAIN AFFORDABLE TO
EXISTING RESIDENTS AND AS THEY DEVELOP, WE HAVE TOOLS IN PLACE TO SUSTAIN THAT AFFORDABILITY. 
          OKAY. BUT I DON'T THINK NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGE IS NECESSARILY A BAD THING. 
          NEIGHBORHOODS DO CHANGE. THERE ARE CYCLES OF NEIGHBORHOODS,
BUT WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE ALWAYS OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOW INCOME AND VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES TO STAY IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS IF THEY EXIST,
OR TO MOVE INTO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AS THEY CHANGE. 
          THANK YOU. SO, HERE'S MY EXAMPLE. AND THERE'S ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS THAT ARE
VERY GOOD. 
          WE HAVE AN AREA THAT IS IT'S A NEW DEVELOPMENT WITH AMIS BETWEEN THE 50 AND 80% AMI. 
          IT'S A HIGH TECH 4% DEAL. IT HAS BEEN REJECTED BY OVER TO ATLANTA. 
          IF YOU CAN PLEASE MUTE. IF YOU CAN, PLEASE MUTE YOUR SPEAKER. 
          OKAY. IT HAS IT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL BY STAFF AS A SUPPORT ON THIS LITTLE DEAL. 
          AND THIS COMMITTEE, MYSELF INCLUDED, ALSO VOTED TO RECOMMEND NON-SUPPORT. 
          IT WOULD IN CONTRAST ADD BECAUSE OF THE HIGH LEVELS OF POVERTY IN THAT AREA. 
          IN CONTRAST, IT WOULD ADD SOME STABILITY. ACCORDING TO YOUR TOOLKIT,
BY ADDING MORE RESIDENCES IN THAT AREA BETWEEN THE 50 AND 80% AMI CATEGORY NEXT DOOR TO MOUNTAIN VIEW COLLEGE,
WHERE THEORETICALLY PEOPLE COULD WALK TO SCHOOL OR WORK THERE, HOW DO YOU BALANCE THE DESIRE TO LOOK, YOU KNOW,
MAYBE CHANGE THE POVERTY LEVEL, WHICH I THINK IS A HUD GOAL, RIGHT. TO BRING PEOPLE OUT OF POVERTY WITH THE NEED TO PRESERVE THE,
YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT STABILITY OF THE HOUSING STOCK FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. 
          HOW DO YOU BALANCE THAT? YEAH, I THINK IN A STABLE NEIGHBORHOOD,
THE GOAL WOULD NOT BE 100% AFFORDABLE PROJECT LIKE IT WOULD BE A MIXED INCOME DEAL. 
          SO WE WOULD WANT TO SEE MORE UNITS, BUT WE'D WANT TO SEE A MIXED INCOME PROJECT. 
          SO UNITS AT 50% AND BELOW 80% AND BELOW AND 100% AND BELOW IN THE SAME COMPLEX. 
          I THINK THE PROBLEM WITH WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING AND WHY I CAN IMAGINE IT'S BEEN
RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL, IS THAT WE HAVE A HISTORY OF CONCENTRATING LIGHT TECH PROJECTS IN AREAS OF CONCENTRATED
POVERTY. 
          AND SO WE NEED TO HOLISTICALLY LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE APPROVING LIGHT TECH DEALS ACROSS THE
CITY, AND MAKE SURE THERE IS AN EQUITABLE SPREAD FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH,
TO THE EAST, TO THE WEST. 
          RIGHT. SO I'D HAVE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHERE THAT'S LOCATED. 
          YOU KNOW, IS IT WHERE THE OTHER LIGHT TECH PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED RECENTLY
WITHIN THE, YOU KNOW, THE ONE MILE OR TWO MILE RADIUS OF THAT? BUT YEAH, I WHAT I WOULD WANT TO SEE FOR THAT DEAL IS A MORE MIXED INCOME PROPOSAL RATHER
THAN 100% AFFORDABLE. 
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OKAY. WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I HEARD LAST WEEK WHEN I MET WITH STAFF. 
          SO YOU GUYS ARE ALIGNED ON THAT? I THINK THAT'S MOSTLY IT. 
          I JUST WANT TO SAY OVERALL, I REALLY LIKE THIS. 
          I DO FEEL LIKE IT ADDS AND IT'S NOT A BAD THING,
BUT IT'S ADDING IN ADDITIONAL LAYERS OF COMPLEXITY WITH GOOD INTENT. 
          I'D LOVE TO SEE MORE SIMPLIFICATION BECAUSE FRANKLY,
WE DO NEED MORE HOUSING STOCK. 
          SINGLE FAMILY FOR SALE HOUSING RENTAL. WE NEED MORE OF EVERYTHING AND I'D LOVE TO SEE IT. 
          IF YOU EVER DO A 2.0 VERSION OF THIS, HOW DO WE SIMPLIFY WHAT WE HAVE NOW TO GET PEOPLE TO
BUILD MORE IN THE CITY? AND WHILE PUTTING IN THE PROTECTIONS THAT THIS DOCUMENT WE HAVE TODAY WANTS TO DO. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
MISS CHAMPION. 
          GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE. ON FIRST OF ALL, I'M SO THANKFUL TO BUILDERS OF HOPE FOR INCLUDING
VICKERY MEADOW IN THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOUTH AND WEST DALLAS AND LOOKING AT HOME OWNERSHIP AND HOW WE SUPPORT THOSE. 
          AND SO HAVING THIS DENSE RENTER POPULATION YOU KNOW,
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL USING THIS AS AN EXAMPLE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHERS AROUND THE CITY,
BUT NOT WITH BRONX LEVEL DENSITY LIKE WE HAVE IN A TWO MILE STRETCH. 
          SO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. EVEN THOUGH THEY DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE TOP POLICY
RECOMMENDATIONS, SOME OF THE POLICY HIGHLIGHTS AROUND RENTERS I JUST WANTED TO ASK ABOUT. 
          SO, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF GOOD IDEAS OR THEIR IDEAS. 
          NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION VOUCHER PROGRAMS AND COMMUNITY PREFERENCE POLICIES. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOOD IN THEORY, BUT HOW WOULD YOU SEE THESE BEING ADMINISTERED? WHO WOULD ADMINISTER THESE SORTS OF THINGS? YEAH,
I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION VOUCHER PROGRAM IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CERTAINLY NEED TO IDENTIFY DEDICATED FUNDING FOR, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT. 
          BUT I THINK ONE THAT IS WORTH IT, PARTICULARLY IN A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE VICKERY MEADOW OR
BACHMAN LAKE FOREST AREA, WHERE YOU HAVE HIGH, HIGH PERCENTAGE OF VULNERABLE RENTERS. 
          AND WHAT IT IS, IT'S A VOUCHER PROGRAM SIMILAR TO A SECTION EIGHT OR HUD VOUCHER THAT
WOULD SUBSIDIZE FOR A LOW INCOME. TENANT THE PRICE OF A MARKET RATE UNIT AND WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD. 
          BUT WHEN WE'RE CREATING THESE VOUCHERS, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE TARGETED TO THE
COMMUNITIES WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SERVING. 
          IN A WAY, OF COURSE, EVERY TIME WHEN I SAY A TARGETED PROGRAM,
IT HAS TO COMPLY WITH FAIR HOUSING. 
          WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DISCRIMINATING AGAINST ANYONE. BUT IF WE CREATE A TARGETED
PROGRAM FOR LEGACY RESIDENTS, FOLKS WHO WERE BORN AND RAISED IN THIS AREA OR WHO HAVE LIVED IN THIS AREA FOR TEN PLUS
YEARS, OR WHO HAVE FAMILY WHO HAVE LIVED IN THIS AREA FOR MANY YEARS. 
          AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE REMAINING, YOU KNOW,
CREATING THOSE GENERATIONAL TIES TO A PARTICULAR AREA. 
          THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE COMMUNITY PREFERENCE POLICY WOULD DO,
TOO, IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GIVING PREFERENCE POINTS TO FOLKS WHO ARE AT RISK OF DISPLACEMENT IN A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD OR HAVE ALREADY BEEN DISPLACED. 
          NOT TO SAY THAT WE WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS ACCESS FOR OTHER FOLKS IN
THAT AREA AS WELL. 
          BUT JUST THAT LITTLE PREFERENCE AND THAT PREFERENCE OF IN TARGETED MARKETING AND IN ACCESS
TO THOSE UNITS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAINTAINING THAT COMMUNITY COHESION AND STABILITY. 
          AND WE DEFINITELY HAVE THAT KIND OF POPULATION,
BUT WE ALSO HAVE THOSE WHO HAVE COME TO THIS COUNTRY WHO ARE BEING PLACED BY, YOU KNOW, URC AND CATHOLIC CHARITIES AND OTHERS. 
          AND SO THAT THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY APPLY TO THEM. 
          NO, NO, NO, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I THINK YOU COULD FRAME IT BASED ON THE NEEDS OF THAT
COMMUNITY. 
          I THINK VICKERY MEADOW, WE KNOW IS HAS BEEN THIS KIND OF SAFE HAVEN FOR IMMIGRANTS AND
REFUGEES, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE OF THE SOCIAL SERVICES THAT ARE THAT ARE LOCATED THERE AS WELL. 
          SO, I THINK FOR VICKERY MEADOW, WE COULD, YOU KNOW,
POTENTIALLY STRUCTURE IT DIFFERENTLY TO SAY THAT IF YOU ARE FROM THIS BACKGROUND AND IMMIGRANT OR A REFUGEE SEEKING ASYLUM, ANYTHING LIKE THAT,
THAT YOU COULD THEN YOU WOULD HAVE PREFERENCE FOR THOSE UNITS. 
          SO WE KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE SERVICES AND THE NETWORK OF SUPPORT THAT EXISTS
THERE. 
          AND MAYBE IT'S. YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S ASYLUM SEEKERS. 
          YEAH. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RIGHT TO RETURN,
I'M ALMOST WONDERING IF THAT IS MORE LIKE A CATEGORY. 
          WE'VE GOT ASYLUM SEEKERS. AND SO, MY QUESTION ON RIGHT TO RETURN IS WHERE DO YOU GO IN THE
INTERIM. 
          BECAUSE AS I LOOK AT THERE'S SUCH AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DENSITY IN THIS AREA AND THERE IS
AGING STOCK. 
          AND SO, SOMETHING HAS GOT TO HAPPEN. HOWEVER,
FORWARD DALLAS HAS ACTUALLY BEEN GENEROUS IN RECOGNIZING SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY AROUND AND YOU CAN SUSTAIN AND SUPPORT A HIGH LEVEL OF
DENSITY. 
          I MEAN, WITH TWO TRANSIT STATIONS, EMPLOYERS,
GOOD NEW SCHOOLS. 
          BUT THERE MAY NOT BE THE REQUEST FOR ANY KIND OF INCENTIVE OR FAVORABILITY. 
          [00:55:03]
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU COME BACK TO OR HOW YOU IDENTIFY A PERCENTAGE OF
IF WE'RE ALLOWING YOU TO DOUBLE YOUR CURRENT SIZE OR IN SOME CASES, EVEN TRIPLE. YEAH. WHAT IS A PERCENTAGE THAT WOULD BE REALISTIC ON SAYING WE NEED TO HAVE
THIS PERCENTAGE BE ALLOWED TO RETURN OR BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS? I MEAN, THE SERVICE WORKERS, THE OTHERS WHO SUPPORT EVERYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO TURN THIS
INTO? YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A CONVERSATION. I'D LOVE TO SEE
COME OUT OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PRESERVATION NETWORK. ONCE WE START DOING PROACTIVE OUTREACH TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND THINKING ABOUT WHAT IS WHAT IS AN APPROPRIATE INCENTIVE
PACKAGE WITH REGARDS TO DENSITY OR OTHER FUNDING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CREATING THESE OPPORTUNITIES? I DON'T HAVE THOSE ANSWERS. I'D LOVE TO SEE,
LIKE SOME KIND OF FINANCIAL FORECASTING OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL PRO FORMAS FOR, YOU KNOW,
THESE KIND OF LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WOULD INCLUDE, AND I WOULD SAY A MINIMUM OF 20% SET ASIDE FOR EXISTING UNITS AND FOR EXISTING RESIDENTS
OR FOR THAT THAT PREFERENCE CATEGORY AS HOWEVER, WE'RE DEFINING IT. AND I, I THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOME LEVEL OF DISPLACEMENT. 
          THAT'S THE THING. YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE A PROGRAM THAT WHEN THERE'S A REDEVELOPMENT
OF A LARGE PROPERTY, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE A PROGRAM THAT AFFORDS 100% OF THOSE PEOPLE A SPOT IN THE NEW
DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MITIGATING THAT DISPLACEMENT AS MUCH AS
POSSIBLE. 
          WELL, AND I DID APPRECIATE THAT THE REALISM AND BEING PRAGMATIC AROUND HAVING PART OF THIS
BE RELOCATION ASSISTANCE, BECAUSE THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME FOLKS WHO ARE GOING TO NEED TO BE RELOCATED. 
          ONE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE AND MAYBE THIS IS A PHILOSOPHY,
AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE CAN DO IT IS, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT THINGS APPLICATION BY APPLICATION,
ZONING CASE BY ZONING CASE, AND WE'VE GOT SOME PROPERTY OWNERS WHO OWN QUITE A BIT OF ACREAGE IN CERTAIN AREAS. AND I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THEM TO LOOK AT A
PORTFOLIO VERSUS A ONE OFF CASE WHERE YOU COULD HAVE SOME INCENTIVES, BUT MAYBE YOU SHIFT THE AFFORDABILITY AROUND AND YOU HAVE ALMOST LIKE
HOTELS HAVE A PORTFOLIO OF DIFFERENT BRANDS, HOW WE COULD WORK ACROSS TWO OR 3 OR 4 PROPERTIES IN DEVELOPMENT TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE
KEEPING AN AFFORDABLE COMPONENT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT SOME PROPERTIES MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN
OTHERS AND THEIR CONSTRUCTION AND NATURE. 
          LET ME GO NOW, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF VACANT LOTS,
I KNOW THAT CHAIR WEST IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THIS IN REAL ESTATE AT GFM, BUT ON OUR LOTS THAT HOPEFULLY THE CITY CAN PARTNER AND GET MORE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON
THESE INDIVIDUAL LOTS, WHETHER IT'S SINGLE FAMILY OR, YOU KNOW, A DUPLEX OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD HOUSE MORE
PEOPLE. 
          SOME OF THE ISSUES ARE INFRASTRUCTURE. DO WE TEAR THESE SO THAT SOME ARE READY TO GO? THEY ALREADY HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THEY WOULD NEED TO WORK WITH A HOME BUILDER,
AND THEN OTHERS MIGHT BE MORE OF A CHALLENGE. 
          OR AS WE MOVE TOWARD THIS MUNICIPAL DESIGNATION OF A LAND TRUST,
IS THERE THAT SORT OF STRUCTURE. 
          SO WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE PRICED TO SELL AND READY TO GO. 
          AND THEN THESE ARE LIKE A LITTLE MORE INVOLVED. 
          SO IT'S A MIXED BAG. WE HAVE AREAS THAT ARE READY TO GO WHERE WE HAVE LOTS THAT WE DON'T
HAVE TO DO MUCH IMPROVEMENT IN INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT MOST OF OUR LOTS ARE ON IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR OF DALLAS,
WHERE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO BE IMPROVED BEFORE WE CAN DO EVEN INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND WE'RE AWARE OF THAT, SO THAT WHEN WE TALK WITH OUR CONTRACTORS AND DEVELOPERS TO
IMPROVE ON A ON A SITE BY SITE, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL LOT BASIS, WE LET THEM KNOW THAT THAT IS MORE THAN LIKELY GOING TO BE
A COST THAT WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT ABSORBING. 
          NOW, WHEN FOLKS COME THROUGH OUR NOFA PROCESS. 
          THEY THOSE DEVELOPERS ARE DOING MASS AMOUNTS OF UNITS,
AND THEY'RE USUALLY AWARE AFTER THEY'VE DONE THEIR ENGINEERING AND, AND REVIEWS, YOU KNOW, GRADING REVIEWS AND THINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO IMPROVE
THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO TAKE ON THAT NUMBER OF UNITS IN THAT ONE SITE. AND SO THERE'S ALWAYS INFRASTRUCTURE INVOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE DO,
WHETHER IT BE FROM A LOT TO A LARGE DEVELOPMENT. BUT DIDN'T WE? I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE DEDICATED ARPA FUNDS INTO,
INTO INFRASTRUCTURE IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. 
          AND THEN ALSO OUR EXPIRED TIF DOLLARS OR, YOU KNOW,
WE'VE DO YOU FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT THE FUNDS THERE TO WHERE WE CAN MAKE WE CAN SEE SOME MOVEMENT ON THIS IN WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS WHO COME FORWARD TO BE ABLE TO WE HAVE SOME
FUNDS. 
          SO WE ALSO HAVE OUR BOND FUNDS, TOO, THAT THAT WE RECEIVE THIS YEAR AND WE'LL BE RECEIVING
FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. 
          AND SO WE DO HAVE FUNDS THAT WE OFFER. WE HAVE SEVERAL DEVELOPMENTS NOW THAT ARE UNDERWAY
THAT WE PROVIDED INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT FUNDS. 
          [01:00:06]
THERE'S NEVER ENOUGH AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S NEVER ENOUGH MONEY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THERE'S SO MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE CITY THAT NEEDS IMPROVEMENT OR BECAUSE WE'RE DOING
MORE DENSITY NEEDS TO BE UPGRADED TO BE ABLE TO HOLD THAT CAPACITY. SO BUT WE DO HAVE SOME THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE GET HOUSES BUILT,
HOW DO WE GET PEOPLE HOUSED, HOW DO WE BRING THE AFFORDABILITY TO THE CITY? SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING FOR THE ACTION PART OF THE EQUATION. 
          RIGHT. AND JUST FOR HISTORICAL PURPOSES, WE HAVE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT WAYS OF TACKLING THAT
ISSUE. 
          WE TRIED FOR A WHILE JUST TO PROVIDE INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY TO GET INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVED
AND NOT DOING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, THOSE TO COME LATER. WE'VE TRIED DOING JUST THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND NOT TOUCHING
INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN PUTTING UP HOUSES AND JUST CONTRIBUTING MONEY TO THAT. 
          OF COURSE, THAT DIDN'T WORK. SO NOW WE'RE DOING BOTH. 
          WE ARE LOOKING AT AT THE SAME TIME, TACKLE THAT AREA,
GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN WHILE WE'RE DOING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, AND TRY TO DO AS MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT IN AREAS THAT WE KNOW AFFORDABLE HOUSING
IS COMING IN BEFORE WE GET THERE. 
          AND AND SO IT JUST TAKES IT TAKES A LOT OF REVENUE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT IN ADVANCE OF
DOING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PIECE. 
          BUT IT'S A GOOD STRATEGY BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET THE UNITS IF THEY CAN'T GET THE
INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION AND AGAIN,
FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DO. 
          ANTI-DISPLACEMENT IS SO IMPORTANT TO ME. I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT
WE HAVE IN PLACE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          IT'S GREAT TO BUILD NEW AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT WE KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES AND WE KNOW HOW
EXPENSIVE IT CAN GET. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE THE INTENTIONALITY OF TARGETING COMMUNITY BY COMMUNITY. 
          I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE GO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER IN REACHING OUT TO MY COLLEAGUES. 
          I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          CAN YOU TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MAKEUP OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND WHERE THEY
ARE GEOGRAPHICALLY, WHAT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE COMING FROM? OH,
YES, THEY WERE. 
          I MAY HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. I KNEW I KNEW THAT AT ONE POINT WHERE EVERYONE WAS
COMING FROM. 
          WE DEFINITELY HAD WHERE WERE. OH, GOODNESS. WE DEFINITELY HAD REPRESENTATIVE
REPRESENTATION FROM COUNCIL DISTRICTS ONE AND THREE AND SEVEN. I CAN I GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT? I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHO WAS REPRESENTED AND WHAT NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          NO WORRIES. HELP ME UNDERSTAND. WE KEEP HEARING. 
          I KEEP HEARING THAT THE MORE HOUSING STOCK THAT WE PUT IN,
THE MORE RENT. 
          WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME BACK UP A LITTLE BIT AND SAY AGAIN,
APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT PROTECTING LEGACY RENTERS AS WELL AND NOT JUST LEGACY HOMEOWNERS. I THINK THAT THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HOPEFULLY ONE DAY EVEN MAKE THOSE
RENTERS HOMEOWNERS ONE DAY. 
          SO AGAIN, AS WE HEAR THE CONVERSATION ABOUT ADDING MORE UNITS,
IS BRINGING DOWN RENTAL PRICES OR THE PRICE OF HOMEOWNERSHIP, DO WE HAVE BOTH THE AVERAGE AND MEDIAN MARKET VALUES FOR A NEW HOME
CONSTRUCTION VERSUS AN EXISTING HOME THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE AVERAGE AGE, I WOULD ASSUME,
IS WHAT, 30, 40 YEARS IS THE AVERAGE AGE OF A HOUSE IN DALLAS DO WE KNOW? I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THAT TYPE OF DATA. I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO GET THOSE BOTH
AVERAGES AND MEDIANS. 
          YOU KNOW, I GO TO DISTRICT TWO, AND I SEE A SMALL APARTMENT COMPLEX ON LIVE OAK THAT HAD
ABOUT 30 UNITS, WHICH WAS BELOW MARKET AFFORDABLE, IS NOW BEING REPLACED BY A MULTI-LEVEL APARTMENT
COMPLEX, HUNDREDS OF UNITS, ALL ABOVE MARKET. AND SO HOW DOES THAT A COMMUNITY LIKE THAT BRING DOWN
THE MEDIAN RENTAL PRICE UNIT? YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY DID WE DISPLACE. 
          30 FAMILIES BUT NONE OF THOSE UNITS ARE AFFORDABLE. 
          I'M SO SORRY. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN? HOW DOES THAT HELP THE MARKET? HOW DOES THAT BRING AFFORDABILITY? NO. CAN YOU REPEAT AGAIN WHAT THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE
COMMUNITY AND THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          ABOUT A 30 UNIT COMPLEX BELOW MARKET HAS BEEN BULLDOZED,
AND NOW YOU HAVE A FIVE STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH HUNDREDS OF UNITS, ALL ABOVE MARKET. 
          [01:05:02]
YES. YEAH. HOW DOES THAT HELP BRING DOWN THE COST OF THE AVERAGE RENTAL UNIT ACROSS THE
CITY OF DALLAS? HOW DOES THAT HELP BRING DOWN THE. BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING UNITS ACROSS THE CITY. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT ONE DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE SUCH AN IMPACT. 
          BUT IF YOU HAVE, I MEAN, THERE'S AN ARGUMENT THAT WE CAN,
QUOTE, BUILD OUR WAY OUT OF THIS CRISIS AND JUST, YOU KNOW, FLOOD THE MARKET WITH NEW UNITS. AND THEN THERE'LL BE THIS FILTRATION EFFECT,
RIGHT, WHERE MIDDLE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS ARE MOVING INTO THE HIGHER INCOME UNITS,
AND THEN THE OLDER UNITS BECOME MORE AFFORDABLE. 
          I DON'T NECESSARILY UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO UNLESS WE'RE DESTROYING THOSE PROPERTIES. RIGHT.
YEAH. 
          I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING IS WHEN WE KNOW THERE'S A PROPERTY SLATED FOR TEARDOWN
BECAUSE IT'S EXPIRING, ITS EXISTING AFFORDABILITY COMPLIANCE PERIOD,
OR IT'S JUST A NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNIT THAT'S FALLEN INTO SUCH A STATE OF DISREPAIR THAT WE KNOW THAT IT'S LIKELY GOING TO BE TORN DOWN AND REDEVELOPED. 
          WE TRY TO ACTIVELY OUTREACH TO THAT THAT PROPERTY OWNER AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO PRESERVE
THOSE UNITS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, OR IF THE ONLY OPTION IS TO TEAR DOWN AND REDEVELOP,
THEN WE MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A PREFERENCE POLICY IN PLACE AND THAT WHAT GOES UP AFTER IS MIXED INCOME. IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT,
THIS ALL DEPENDS ON IF THERE'S AN EVEN OPPORTUNITY, RIGHT? IF THEY'RE SEEKING A ZONING CHANGE OR IF THEY'RE OPEN TO COMING TO THE TABLE AND
APPLYING FOR A NOFA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO, BUT TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, NO, THAT DOESN'T I WOULDN'T SAY THAT HAS AN EFFECT OF
BRINGING DOWN THE AVERAGE VALUES, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT BEING PREPARED. 
          HOW DO WE PREPARE OURSELVES TO EVEN ENGAGE IN THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND
HOW DO WE CREATE A PACKAGE OF INCENTIVES SO WE'RE READY TO BRING THEM TO THE TABLE? SURE. AND HOW DO WE MAINTAIN AFFORDABILITY IN MIXED INCOME COMMUNITIES OR HIGHER INCOME COMMUNITIES? HOW DO WE SUSTAIN AFFORDABILITY IN COMMUNITIES LIKE THAT? ARE YOU TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT LIKE A HOMEOWNERSHIP NEIGHBORHOOD,
A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, HOMEOWNERSHIP OR RENTAL? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF. 
          I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T SEE SOMEONE BUILDING A AFFORDABLE HOME OR A BELOW
MARKET VALUE HOME IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS SELLING HOUSES, YOU KNOW, ABOVE THE AVERAGE HOME SALE PRICE IN DALLAS. 
          YEAH. I MEAN, WHAT'S THE AGAIN, THE INCENTIVE FOR A BUILDER TO SAY,
YES, I'M GOING TO BUILD AN AFFORDABLE HOUSE HERE. 
          YEAH. WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING. AND WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN
WEST DALLAS RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS WHERE I LIVE. SO I'M MOST FAMILIAR WITH IT. 
          BUT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN AGING HOUSING STOCK,
YOU KNOW, 50 PLUS YEARS OLD OR MOST OF OUR MOST OF OUR HOMES. 
          BUT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION IS MASSIVE AND PRICED AT,
YOU KNOW, UPWARDS OF $800,000, SOMETIMES OVER $1 MILLION IN WEST DALLAS, NEXT DOOR TO A SINGLE, LIKE, WOOD FRAME, SINGLE STORY OLD HOME. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING THERE IS THIS IDEA OF A DISPLACEMENT MITIGATION ZONING OVERLAY
WHERE NEW CONSTRUCTION COULD, YOU KNOW, CAN BE LARGER BUT CAN'T BE MORE THAN,
LET'S SAY, 150% OF THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF THE AVERAGE HOME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          OTHER THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO DO THERE IS, YOU KNOW,
PROPERTY TAX ASSISTANCE FOR LEGACY RESIDENTS, BUILDERS OF HOPE. WE HAVE LAUNCHED A PROPERTY TAX ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FOR LEGACY RESIDENTS
IN WEST DALLAS. 
          IF YOU'VE LIVED THERE FOR TEN PLUS YEARS AND YOUR COST BURDENED AND YOU'RE STRUGGLING TO
PAY YOUR TAXES. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY, WE ALSO NEED PROPERTY TAX REFORM AT A MUCH LARGER LEVEL. 
          SO LOOKING AT EQUITY AND APPRAISALS AND LOOKING AT STATE REFORMS AS WELL. 
          AND ASIDE FROM THIS TOOLKIT, WE ALSO HAVE RECENTLY RELEASED A PROPERTY TAX REFORM POLICY
GUIDE, WHICH IS OUR HOPE FOR CREATING A MORE EQUITABLE PROPERTY TAX SYSTEM. 
          IN TEXAS. BUT FOR YOUR QUESTION WITH RENTERS AS WELL I WANT TO JUST EMPHASIZE THAT A LOT
OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE HOUSING PRACTITIONERS AND WE'RE HOUSING POLICY EXPERTS,
BUT SO MUCH OF THIS IDEA OF DISPLACEMENT AND HOUSING AFFORDABILITY IN GENERAL TOUCHES ON SO MANY OTHER THINGS. SO YOU ALSO HAVE TO BE BUILDING UP THE ECONOMIC CAPACITY OF THESE
COMMUNITIES AND CREATING ACCESS TO OPPORTUNITY TO ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. SO AS HOUSING PRICES INCREASE,
THEY ALSO WE ALSO INCREASE THEIR BUYING POWER SO THEY CAN STILL HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE HIGHER PRICED HOMES. THANK YOU FOR THAT. YOU KNOW,
IN TOO MANY TIMES WHEN WE SEE ZONING CASES, WE SEE HOUSES THAT NEED A LITTLE HELP. YOU KNOW,
THAT MIGHT NEED A NEW ROOF, MIGHT NEED SOME NEW SIDING. 
          AND SO YES, WE NEED TO CONTINUE PUTTING MORE DOLLARS IN HOME REPAIR. 
          BUT JUST BECAUSE A HOUSE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A NEW HOUSE OR A HOUSE TO SOMEONE LOOKS LIKE
IT'S FALLING APART. 
          [01:10:05]
THAT'S SOMEONE'S HOME. THAT'S SOMEONE'S LEGACY. 
          AND WE NEED TO PROTECT THAT. YES. AND THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING. 
          I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED HOME REPAIR. HOME REPAIR IS ONE OF OUR TOP RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND WE KNOW THE CITY HAS TARGETED. TARGETED DOLLARS FOR VARIOUS HOME REPAIR PROGRAMS. WE ALSO HAVE OUR OWN HOME REPAIR PROGRAM, AND THERE ARE VARIOUS OTHER NONPROFIT CDCS THAT
HAVE HOME REPAIR PROGRAMS. AND IT'S ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAYS FOR PRESERVING EXISTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          I'LL CLOSE AND WRAP UP WITH THIS IS YOU SPOKE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT,
BUT WHAT'S THE TAKE ON NEIGHBORHOOD OVERLAYS OR CONSERVATION DISTRICTS? ARE YOU ALL SUPPORTIVE OF THOSE,
OR ARE YOU ALL CAN YOU HELP YOUR POSITION ON THOSE? MY POSITION IS THAT NEITHER OF THEM ARE VERY EFFECTIVE FOR THE TYPES OF COMMUNITIES WE'RE
TRYING TO PRESERVE. 
          AND AS COUNCIL MEMBER WEST SAID, YOU KNOW, THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT IN HIS,
IN HIS DISTRICT IS ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE, YOU KNOW, AREAS. I THINK WE NEED A NEW TOOL. I THINK NSOS ARE INEFFECTIVE. 
          THEY DON'T EVEN REGULATE HEIGHT, JUST THE HEIGHT PLANE. 
          WHICH FOR THE COMMUNITY IN WEST DALLAS, LA BAJADA THAT HAS AN NSO THAT WASN'T EXPLAINED TO
RESIDENTS AT ALL. 
          SO THEY DIDN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND. THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GETTING MUCH MORE PROTECTION THAN
THEY ACTUALLY GOT OUT OF THAT PROCESS. AND I THINK CONSERVATION DISTRICTS ARE WAY TOO CUMBERSOME IN THE MIDDLE. AND SO WE NEED WE NEED A HAPPY MEDIUM. 
          AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF IN PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT TO DESIGN THAT. 
          AGAIN. THANK YOU ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION. AGAIN,
I THINK THAT PRESERVING THE AFFORDABILITY THAT WE HAVE SHOULD BE OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. 
          THANK YOU, GUYS FOR THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. NOW WE WILL BE MOVING ON TO BRIEFING BY MEMOS ITEM B. 
          AND ON THIS ONE, GUYS WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ALL FOUR PROPERTIES TOGETHER. 
          AND SO WHEN STAFF DOES OUR PRESENTATION, IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO EACH OF THE FOUR ITEMS IF YOU
HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          GOOD MORNING. CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS DARWIN WADE ASSISTANT HOUSING DIRECTOR HERE TO
JUST PRESENT AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE LISTED IN THE TRACKER FOR 1950 FORT WORTH AVENUE. AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE CHART,
THE PROJECT IS MOVING ALONG FAIRLY WELL. 
          WE'RE SEEING GREAT STRIDES IN THE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          BUILDING PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED. WE ARE APPROACHING THE CLOSING AND CONVEYANCE OF THIS
PROPERTY, HOPEFULLY BY MID TO LATE APRIL, AND WE'LL START TO SEE DIRT TURN AND CONSTRUCTION AND THE
REHABILITATION WILL START. SO WE'RE HAPPY TO SEE THE PROGRESS OF THIS PROJECT FOR THE 4150 INDEPENDENCE DRIVE. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, WE DID A NOFA RESUBMISSION OF THE NOFA PROCESS BACK IN NOVEMBER. 
          WE REJECTED THE APPLICATION THAT WAS PRESENTED DUE TO FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY AND
REASONABLENESS OF COST. 
          SO WE ARE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF DETERMINING NEXT STEPS FOR THAT PROPERTY. 
          AND THOSE OPTIONS ARE STILL ON THE TABLE. AND FOR HAMPTON,
WE'LL LET CHRISTINE SPEAK ABOUT THAT. 
          FOR HAMPTON, WE ARE WE HAD TWO CLOSED SESSIONS. 
          AND THEN MOVING FORWARD, THERE HAD BEEN SOME DISCUSSION OF POTENTIALLY AN RFI FOR THE
SITE. 
          SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO A VERY BROAD ONE ACROSS ALL OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN
DISCUSSED FROM BUY RIGHT USE TO COMMERCIAL, JUST TO SEE WHAT THE MARKET WOULD BEAR, AND THEN BRING THAT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE. 
          THAT HAS NOT BEEN WRITTEN YET. SO FEEDBACK FOR THAT IS WELCOME. 
          AND THEN IF THAT'S USEFUL, THAT COULD BE DONE AT OTHER PROPERTIES AS WELL. 
          AND FOR THE LAST PROPERTY 9019 VANTAGE POINT,
THIS PROPERTY IS PRETTY MUCH LEASED UP. 
          WE'RE OVER 90% LEASED UP. AND SO WE'RE EXCITED OF THE SUCCESS OF THIS PROPERTY. 
          THIS IS THE PROPERTY WHEREBY THE CITY PROVIDED FUNDING FOR THE ACQUISITION AND REHAB. 
          SO EVERYTHING IS LOOKING GREAT AND WE'RE EXCITED WHERE WE ARE WITH THESE PROJECTS. 
          WE'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMEMBER WILLIS? SURE. SO AS I LOOK AT INDEPENDENCE, I SEE SOME DATES OF COMPLETION DATE JANUARY 2026. 
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SO, 11 MONTHS FROM NOW AND THEN RESIDENT MOVE IN MARCH 2026. 
          BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE PIECES REALLY AREN'T TOGETHER FOR THOSE DATES TO BE REAL. 
          I MEAN, ARE YOU STILL THINKING SOMETHING COULD REALISTIC COME TO REALISTIC COULD COME
TOGETHER BY THAT TIME? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. THOSE DATES WERE ORIGINALLY PLANNED FOR THE NOFA APPLICATION THAT WE
RECEIVED IN NOVEMBER. 
          HOWEVER, THAT DID NOT PAN OUT. SO THOSE DATES ARE NOT THEY ARE NOT ACCURATE. 
          SO WE NEED TO UPDATE THAT FOR OUR NEXT MEMO. I JUST THINK SINCE WE'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH
WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S REAL AND WHEN IT'S COMING ONLINE SO WE CAN WORK WITH OUR HOUSING FORWARD
PARTNERS AND OTHERS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THAT REFLECT SOMETHING THAT'S REAL. SO ON THAT. SO YOU'RE DOING THE,
NOFA BUT DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE? I MEAN, I GOT TO LOOK AT IT. SO I'M CURIOUS,
LIKE THE COMMUNITY CENTER PART OF THE PROJECT NEEDS AN ELEVATOR. 
          DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD COST? OR I MEAN, IF WE WANTED TO ACTIVATE THAT PART OF THIS
PROPERTY JUST TO START LETTING THE COMMUNITY COME IN? I MEAN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT CAN'T GET A CO UNTIL IT'S GOT THIS ELEVATOR. 
          THERE ARE SOME OUTSTANDING COSTS IN THE COMMUNITY SERVICES BUILDING. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THAT ASSESSMENT. I'M HEARING FROM STAFF THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT
ASSESSMENT OF THOSE COSTS THAT MAY NEED TO BE DONE AS IT RELATES TO THE ELEVATOR AND THE ADA ASSESSMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S STILL TO BE DETERMINED AT THIS TIME. 
          WELL, AND I CAN ALSO SAY THAT THE COMMUNITY BUILDING ITSELF,
JUST THE FIRST FLOOR HAS A CO THE ELEVATOR IS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PART. 
          SO YOU WOULDN'T NEED THAT. BUT WE DO NEED TO FIX THE WATER LINE CONNECTS TO THE REST OF
THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, AND THERE'S A LEAK SOMEWHERE IN THERE. SO THAT WOULD NEED TO BE CAPPED IF WE JUST WANTED
TO KEEP AND OPEN THAT RESIDENTIAL SPACE. 
          SO THE COMMUNITY SPACE. SO THE CENTER THOUGH IT HAS A SECOND FLOOR. 
          SO HOW WOULD PEOPLE GET TO THE SECOND FLOOR IF THEY NEEDED AN ELEVATOR? YEAH. WE WOULD HAVE TO EITHER FIX THE ELEVATOR ON THE OTHER AREA OR BUILD A NEW ONE. 
          SO WE, WE DON'T HAVE A COST ON THAT. SO IT COULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO HAVE IT IN ANOTHER THE
CLOSE BUILDING ONE OR WHATEVER, AND HAVE PEOPLE TAKE THAT ELEVATOR AND COME OVER TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          I'M NOT SURE. YEAH, I'M BEING TOLD WE DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT AT LEAST THE GROUND FLOOR IS READY TO GO. 
          IT'S JUST THAT WATER ISSUE. OKAY. AND DO WE HAVE A COST. 
          I MEAN IT MAY BE OLDER NOW I MEAN OR DATED ON WHAT THE WHOLE REHAB COST OF THIS PROPERTY
IS AN ESTIMATE OR. 
          SURE. I CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH THE LATEST FIGURES THAT WE'VE RECEIVED IN THE LATEST NOFA
SOLICITATION FROM NOVEMBER. 
          OKAY. I MEAN, OFFHAND, YEAH. YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT. 
          SURE. OKAY. WE RECEIVED A PROPOSAL IN NOVEMBER FROM DEVELOPER,
PROPOSED DEVELOPER. 
          THERE WAS A FINANCING GAP OF $8.9 MILLION. THIS IS IN ADDITION TO THE 4.3 MILLION THAT THE
CITY WAS PROVIDING IN THE FORM OF A GRANT IN THE NOFA. 
          SO THE TOTAL GAP THAT WAS NEEDED BY THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPER WAS $13.25 MILLION. 
          THE TOTAL REDEVELOPMENT COST FOR 100 UNITS WAS $29,900,000, WHICH EQUATES TO ABOUT $277,000 PER UNIT. 
          IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT,
WE HAD NEGOTIATIONS TO SEE IF THERE WAS SOME KIND OF WAY, WE CAN GET THAT REDUCED. THE SECOND DISCUSSION RELATED TO TOTAL DEMOLITION OF THE CURRENT
STRUCTURE, REDUCING THE NUMBER OF UNITS FROM 100 TO 60. THE FUNDING GAP FOR THAT PROPOSAL WAS 4.95
MILLION. 
          AND IN ADDITION TO THE 4.3 MILLION THAT WE WERE PROVIDING IN THE NOFA,
THE TOTAL GAP WAS ABOUT 9.25 MILLION. 
          THE REDEVELOPMENT COST FOR DEMOLITION AND NEW CONSTRUCTION WAS AROUND $24.2 MILLION,
WHICH EQUATES TO APPROXIMATELY $403,000 PER UNIT. AND THAT'S FOR 60 UNITS. 
          TOTAL DEMOLITION AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO THIS THIS IS NOT REHABBING. 
          THIS IS DEMO AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. YES. SO, THIS THE SECOND OPTION. 
          OKAY. I MEAN, 403, EVEN 277 PER DOOR SEEMS A LITTLE HIGH FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN IN OTHER IS
THAT. 
          AM I RIGHT ABOUT THAT? IT'S HIGH. IT'S EXPENSIVE. 
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WHICH IS WHY WE AS A DEPARTMENT, WHILE WE DID NOT ACCEPT THE PROPOSALS DUE TO THE
FINANCIAL PIECE OF THAT. 
          OKAY. AND THEN THE COUNTY HAS PULLED BACK ON SOME FUNDS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO PROVIDE. 
          CORRECT. BUT THAT WAS ONLY AROUND $3 MILLION. 
          IT WAS 2.5, WHICH WAS PART OF THE 4.3 THE CITY WAS OFFERING TO A DEVELOPER. 
          OKAY. SO HOW WAS THIS GOING TO COME ABOUT? BECAUSE EVEN OUR BOND WAS $19 MILLION. 
          SO THIS DOESN'T EVEN THE WHOLE BOND WOULDN'T EVEN COVER THIS. 
          I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW REALISTIC THIS IS AS MUCH AS THEIR,
YOU KNOW, DREAMS THAT SOUND FANTASTIC FOR IT. 
          IT'S LIKE, IS THIS REAL? SHOULD WE START THINKING ABOUT THIS DIFFERENTLY? I MEAN, WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM DEVELOPERS IS THAT DUE TO THE CONDITION AND THE UNKNOWNS OF
THE CURRENT SITUATION WITH THE BUILDING, THAT IS THE BIGGEST PART OF IT. IF THERE WAS AN OPTION FOR US TO DEMOLISH AND PROVIDE SOME
TYPE OF NOFA FOR SOME OTHER TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER THAT'S A MIXED INCOME,
AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE, I THINK THE COST WOULD BE MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE SEE ON AN ONGOING BASIS WITH ALL OF
OUR OTHER PROJECTS. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE IS THE CONDITION AND THE UNKNOWNS OF THAT BUILDING. 
          AND THEN BASED ON SOME OF THE OTHER DEMOS WE'VE DONE RECENTLY DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT
THAT WOULD COST? I MEAN, I WOULD HATE TO DO THAT CENTER BUILDING. IT'S JUST BEEN REHABBED,
AND IT'S FURNISHED AND LOOKS GREAT. 
          AND WE'VE ENTERTAINED SOME, SOME COSTS AS IT RELATES TO HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO
DEMOLISH. 
          I THINK THERE ARE AROUND COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM 3 TO $500,000 SOMEWHERE IN THAT BALLPARK. 
          OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO GO PROPERTY TO PROPERTY OR DO MORE,
PLEASE? OKAY. WELL, THEN THANK YOU FOR FRAMING THAT UP. 
          BETTER. SO ON HAMPTON, ON THE HOSPITAL. SO LAST MONTH WE TALKED ABOUT GETTING INFORMATION ON FROM THE BUILDING SERVICES GROUP ABOUT? IN ADDITION TO THE RFI AND PURSUING, YOU KNOW,
WHAT THE MARKET MIGHT WANT TO DO WITH A PROPERTY LIKE THIS. 
          ET CETERA. FOR A SALE, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER OPTION OF A SHORT TERM ACTIVATION IN
THE BY RIGHT USE OF, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING MEDICAL CONVALESCENT HOME,
SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND SO IT WAS PROMISED THAT FOR THIS NEXT MEETING,
WHICH I KNOW THAT WAS JUST TWO WEEKS AGO, THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE BUILDING SERVICES GROUP LOOK AT DOING AN INSPECTION TO JUST
UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IT COULD TAKE TO EVEN GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY,
JUST SO THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE CARDS ON THE TABLE OF WHAT THE OPTIONS WOULD BE THAT'S BEING WORKED ON NOW. SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT DOING AN INSPECTION. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD GET A SENSE OF YEAH, IT'S EXCUSE ME. 
          YES, WE WOULD BE. WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IT WOULD COST TO GET THE BUILDING UP TO CODE,
WHICH WOULD CONTAIN ALL OF THAT. 
          OKAY. SO IS THERE ANY EXPECTATION? I MEAN, I KNOW NOW WE'RE ANOTHER MONTH AWAY FROM THE
NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING. 
          SO WAS THERE ANY TIMING GIVEN ON THAT OR I NEED TO CHECK WITH REAL ESTATE ON THAT. 
          I JUST KNOW THAT THEY ARE WAITING ON A QUOTE ON WHAT IT WILL COST TO GET THAT DONE. 
          WHICH I KNOW IS A BIT CONFUSING, BUT WAITING ON THE QUOTE FOR WHAT IT WILL COST TO GET
THEM TO DO A QUOTE FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. AND THEN THERE HAD BEEN SOME DISCREPANCY IN WHETHER YOU CAN GET A CERTIFICATE OF
OCCUPANCY PER FLOOR. 
          AND I THINK THAT WHERE WE ARE NOW IS THAT THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE. 
          SO WHENEVER YOU COME BACK, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT AS WELL. 
          IS THIS, YOU KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DOABLE IF YOU WERE TO RESTORE A FLOOR IN
THE SHORT TERM TO HELP MEET SOME COMMUNITY NEEDS. 
          AND WE'RE IN CONVERSATION WITH BUILDING SERVICES ON THAT. 
          AND IT REALLY DEPENDS ON ON THE USE. AND I BELIEVE IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT OCCUPIER OF EACH
FLOOR. 
          SO IT WOULD JUST IN TERMS OF CAN YOU OR CAN YOU NOT DO A CO BY FLOOR? I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE INTENDED USE. OKAY. 
          AND THEN IF WE WERE TO I MEAN IF THE, IF THE CITY HAS THE PROPERTY AND WAS ABLE TO SAY WE
WILL BRING IT UP TO WHAT IT TAKES TO GET A CO, HOW WOULD WE GO ABOUT GETTING A PARTNER TO OPERATE THIS? BECAUSE WE AREN'T IN THAT BUSINESS. WE JUST NEED,
YOU KNOW, TO PULL FROM THE POOL OF SOMEONE LIKE AN AUSTIN STREET OR A BRIDGE OR YOU KNOW, OTHER THAT I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHER PARKLAND OR METRO CARE WHO COULD ANSWER THE MEDICAL
IMPERATIVE OF THIS. 
          WELL, SINCE THE RFP THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO WOULD BE VERY BROAD. 
          SO IT WOULD BE FROM BY RIGHT TO COMMERCIAL. I THINK THERE IS SPACE IN THERE FOR THAT CATCH
ALL TO GET THAT FEEDBACK AND SEE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOMEONE WHO COULD FORMALLY SAY WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS GIVEN THE
AVENUE THAT YOU CHOOSE AND MOVE FORWARD. 
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BUT THAT WOULD BE ON A SALE. SO THERE ARE TWO COMPONENTS. 
          ONE IS SOMEONE COMES IN AND BUYS IT AND OPERATES IT EITHER BY RIGHT OR WOULD HAVE TO GET A
ZONING CHANGE OR WHATEVER THEY WOULD DO. 
          THE OTHER SIDE IS CITY OWNS. IT IS GOING TO BRING IT UP TO,
YOU KNOW, WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO BE OCCUPIED. 
          AND WE'D KIND OF THEY'D BE OUR PARTNER, OR THEY WOULD BE THE OPERATOR IN THIS. 
          SO, IF TWO PATHWAYS, SORRY, IF THERE'S NO FUNDING INVOLVED,
LIKE WE'RE NOT PUTTING ANY FUNDING FORWARD FOR THEM TO DO SOMETHING, IT WOULD BE AN RFP PROCESS. COULD WE DO AN RFP JUST ON SOMEONE WHO COULD DO PROVIDE THOSE
SORTS OF SERVICES? I'M NOT SURE IF WE COULD MAKE YEAH, I'M GETTING A YES,
WE COULD. 
          SO WE COULD HAVE POTENTIAL PARTNERS WHO WOULD OPERATE IN THAT KIND OF ZONE. 
          HAVE WE DONE ANYTHING LIKE THAT RECENTLY WHERE WE'VE GOT A POOL OF WHO DOES THAT SORT OF
THING FOR US? NO, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY REASON TO DO ONE. YEAH. 
          MOST OF IT'S LIKE THE WRAPAROUND SERVICES TYPE OF THING,
NOT NECESSARILY THE LIKE A MEDICAL. 
          I'M NOT SURE. I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO PUT OUT AN RFI AND SEE WHO WAS OUT THERE THAT COULD
PROVIDE THAT. 
          AND IN TERMS OF LOOKING INTO COULD THE CATCHALL RFI BE BROAD ENOUGH TO CONTAIN THAT AS
WELL, OR DO WE NEED TO DO TWO SEPARATE ONES? BECAUSE I WOULDN'T WANT TO CONFUSE PEOPLE WITH TWO
OUT THERE. 
          BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'LL LOOK AT WITH STAFF AND SEE WHAT THAT STRUCTURE NEEDS TO
LOOK LIKE. 
          YEAH. AND WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW,
WHAT YOU'VE EXPRESSED, WHAT DANIEL ROBY HAS EXPRESSED, I MEAN, ABOUT WHEN YOU HAVE THE TEMPORARY INCLEMENT WEATHER SHELTER,
HOW MANY PEOPLE OF THAT PERCENTAGE ARE REALLY IN MEDICAL NEED? THAT WE COULD PROBABLY FILL EVERY ROOM 111 ROOMS WITH. 
          SO JUST THINKING IN TERMS OF THAT IS WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF. 
          SO THANK YOU. CHESHIRE WEST. COUNCIL MEMBER. GRACEY. 
          THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS REQUEST
FOR INFORMATION, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT MYSELF AND THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN ASKING FOR,
REALLY FROM JUMP. 
          I MEAN, AGAIN, I CAN APPRECIATE THE INTENTIONS FOR THIS,
BUT WHEN WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION AND WHAT I'VE SAID FROM THE VERY BEGINNING IS IT'S NOT THAT ANYBODY IS AGAINST PROVIDING, YOU KNOW YOU KNOW,
SHELTER FOR OUR UNHOUSED FOLKS. 
          BUT I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY,
WE OWED IT TO OURSELVES TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. 
          SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS RFI AND YOU SAY IT'S GENERAL,
CAN YOU REALLY KIND OF EXPLAIN THAT TO THE PUBLIC? SO WE HAVE CLARITY IN TERMS OF I KNOW SOME OF IT WILL BE BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM MYSELF AND
COLLEAGUES, BUT JUST IN GENERAL, THE INTENT IS TO SEE IF THERE IS AN INTEREST TO PURCHASE THIS
PROPERTY OR IS IT TO PURCHASE AND OR OCCUPY. SO AGAIN, I'LL NEED TO CHECK WITH STAFF ON HOW WIDE THE STRUCTURE CAN BE BEFORE
IT GETS TOO CONFUSING THAT IT'S NOT PRODUCTIVE, WHICH IS WHY. WHICH IS WHY I WANT TO JUST MAKE IT VERY CLEAR MY INTENTIONS WITH THIS RFP. 
          RFP, AND I KNOW I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH MY COLLEAGUE,
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE THIS AN I SITUATION. 
          THIS IS VERY MUCH HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS IS A DALLAS ISSUE,
AND I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. 
          BUT I ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS OUR DISTRICT. 
          AND I ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY,
AND WE WANTED TO SEE WHAT THE MARKET IS. 
          IF WE GO OUT AND WE DO THIS AND THERE IS NO INTEREST IN PURCHASING THIS PROPERTY AND SO
FORTH, THEN GUESS WHAT? WE'RE RIGHT BACK AT SQUARE ONE. 
          BUT WE OWE IT TO OURSELVES, AND WE OWE IT TO THE COMMUNITY TO ENSURE THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY
TESTED THAT MARKET. 
          SO I JUST AGAIN WANT TO GET CLARITY IN TERMS OF THE INTENT OF THIS RFI. 
          YES. SO IN A PERFECT WORLD, IT WOULD GO FROM DO WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S INTERESTED IN
OCCUPYING AND DOING A BUY RIGHT USE TO SALE AND ALL THE WAY UP TO, YOU KNOW,
WHEN WE'RE GETTING THE MARKET STUDY BACK AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THAT BRINGS FORTH. 
          AND SO WE HAVE ALSO HEARD FROM THIS BODY A MYRIAD OF THINGS RANGING FROM INTENDED USE FOR
UNSHELTERED TO COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL HOMES. AND SO REALLY, IT'S JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE AND SAYING,
HEY, BASED ON THE INTENDED PURPOSE, THE INTENDED PURPOSE FOR WHICH IT WAS PUBLISHED,
BASED ON COMMITTEE FEEDBACK, BASED ON COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, BASED ON MARKET STUDY, HERE ARE THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED AND THEN HAVE PEOPLE
RESPOND TO THAT. 
          OKAY, CHAIR, IF I MAY CHIME IN. ALEKNAGIK AND ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. 
          SO LIKE CHRISTINE MENTIONED, THE GOAL IS TO HAVE A BROAD CAST ABROAD NET. 
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IT COULD BE THAT SOME OF THE INTEREST THAT COMES BACK IS THIS WOULD BE A USE,
AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          IT COULD BE THAT THIS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY AND
PROVIDE THESE SERVICES, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A PARTNERSHIP. WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO BOX OURSELVES IN AND JUST TRULY
SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE. 
          AND WHAT'S THE INTEREST AND THE APPETITE FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          THANK YOU. I CAN APPRECIATE THAT. AGAIN, I JUST TO YOUR POINT,
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T CONFUSE THE MARKET IN TERMS OF WHAT IT IS WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE. I THINK WE'VE COMMUNICATED SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE
COMMUNICATED VERY CLEARLY WHAT THE INTENT OF THAT PROPERTY AND WHAT THEY WISH TO SEE HAPPEN TO THAT PROPERTY. UNFORTUNATELY, YOU HAVE AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY AND A COUNCIL
MEMBER HAPPENS TO DISAGREE. 
          NOT COMPLETELY. I JUST WANT TO SEE IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY,
IF THERE IS TRULY A MARKET FROM THE ABSOLUTE BEGINNING REGARDING THIS PROPERTY. 
          IT'S ONLY BEEN A HOMELESS SOLUTIONS DISCUSSION. 
          NOT ONCE DID WE BRING IN HOUSING. NOT ONCE DID WE BRING IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          NOT ONCE DID WE BRING IN PARKS. EVEN CONSIDER WHAT COULD BE IN AND AROUND THIS PROPERTY. 
          SO FOR ME, I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS INTENDED TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE
WHAT'S OUT THERE SO THAT WE CAN, IF NECESSARY, CLOSE THIS DOOR OF THIS IDEA OF THIS BEING A A PUBLIC USE AND POTENTIALLY
GETTING MONEY BACK. 
          WHICH BRINGS ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION. AND I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO FAR INTO THE DETAILS OF
THIS, BUT WITH IT BEING PURCHASED WITH BOND PROCEEDS,
COULD THOSE PROCEEDS BE USED TOWARDS INDEPENDENCE IN SOME FORM OR FASHION? AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE,
BUT THE ANSWER IS YES, I DON'T WE DON'T HAVE TO GO DOWN THAT THE ANSWER IS YES. 
          FROM THERE. SO AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THAT'S,
THAT'S THE INTENT THERE. 
          AND I CAN APPRECIATE WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND I CAN APPRECIATE EVEN THE TEMPORARY SERVICES
AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I JUST SENT AN EMAIL TO YOU ALL JUST THE OTHER DAY BECAUSE AGAIN,
I HAVE I'M ACTIVELY WORKING. 
          THIS IS NOT POLITICS. ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS IS NOT THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE BEEN DOING. 
          I'VE DONE IT IN MINISTRY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS ALL OVER THE WORLD. 
          THIS IS WHO I AM. SO I WANT TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR ABOUT MY INTENTIONS. 
          AND WITH THAT SAID, AS WE BEGIN TO TO, TO SHIFT,
I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS, AGAIN, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING HOUSING. 
          AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY TO DO THESE THINGS AND TALKING TO OTHER CHURCHES. 
          I KNOW I'VE HEARD PEOPLE THIS SHOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CHURCHES TO PROVIDE THIS
INCLEMENT WEATHER AND ALL OF THESE THINGS. AND I'VE WORKED AND I KNOW OF AT LEAST TWO CHURCHES, ONE IN MY DISTRICT AND ONE IN ANOTHER DISTRICT,
THAT WISH TO PROVIDE THESE INCLEMENT WEATHER BUT CAN'T BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO PROVIDE THAT. 
          AND MY QUESTION WAS, COULD THESE PROCEEDS BE USED TO HELP,
YOU KNOW, CHURCHES IN THIS CASE WHO WISH TO PARTICIPATE AND PROVIDE TEMPORARY HOUSING, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THE SHORT ANSWER WAS AS FAR AS THE BOND PROCESS PROCEEDS,
WE WOULD NEED TO CHECK WITH BOND COUNSEL FOR THAT SPECIFIC REASON. 
          AND AGAIN, I GUESS I'M SAYING ALL OF THIS TO SAY THAT THAT THAT THIS IS AGAIN ADDRESSING
THESE TYPE OF ISSUES, WHETHER IT'S HOMELESSNESS, PROVIDING SERVICES AND GIVING THEM RESOURCES. 
          I'VE BEEN DOING THIS, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT TO BRAG. 
          I'M SAYING IT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS EXACTLY WHO I AM. 
          AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROMPT ME. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TO GET ME TO MOVE TOWARDS
THIS TYPE OF THING. 
          MR. CHAIR, WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE IS, AS WE TALK ABOUT JUST THESE FOUR PROPERTIES,
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE INTENT WHEN WE SET OUT WAS TO ENSURE THAT EVERY DISTRICT HAS SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN THEIR DISTRICTS, AND I'M NOT SEEING THAT HAPPENING. 
          IN FACT, I'M SEEING A LOT MORE ATTENTION GIVEN TO THESE DISTRICTS. 
          I KNOW THE THAT OTHER ONES HAVE HAPPENED, BUT THERE'S STILL SOME REMAINING ON THIS LIST
THAT HAS ADJACENT TO USING WORDS LIKE THAT OR A SALVATION ARMY OR THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          WE ALL HAVE NONPROFITS IN OUR DISTRICTS THAT ARE ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES,
BUT WHAT ARE YOU DOING AS A COUNCIL MEMBER TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS IT SPECIFICALLY IN YOUR DISTRICT? SO AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THESE PROJECTS BEING ON THERE,
BUT I DON'T WANT TO FORGET ABOUT THE ENTIRE LIST AND THE COMMITMENT THAT WE MADE TO THE CITY OF DALLAS IN TERMS OF ENSURING THAT THERE WOULD BE PROJECTS LIKE THIS IN EVERYONE'S
DISTRICT. 
          SO WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF ENERGY INTO THESE PROPERTIES,
AND I CAN APPRECIATE THAT. AND AGAIN, I DON'T NECESSARILY I WANT TO MAKE THIS PUT THIS ON THE RECORD. I DON'T NECESSARILY DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING MY COLLEAGUE IS SAYING RIGHT HERE. 
          ALL I'M SAYING IS I'M ASKING THAT SHE RESPECT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN TERMS OF TESTING
THAT MARKET, TO SEE IF THERE'S AN ENTRANCE IN THAT PIECE. AS FAR AS THE INDEPENDENCE PROPERTY IS
CONCERNED. 
          A LOT CONTINUES TO EVOLVE OVER THERE IN AND AROUND THAT AREA. 
          THOSE NUMBERS, I DO RECOGNIZE THAT AND APPRECIATE THAT LINE OF QUESTIONING IN TERMS OF
WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO ACTUALLY GET THAT REHABBED THERE. 
          BUT THERE ARE SOME OTHER CONVERSATIONS IN PLACE TO DO THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, WHEN I TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE,
IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE FOR YOU KNOW, 
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QUALIFY FOR THE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING PIECE. 
          BUT AGAIN, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT DOES HOMELESSNESS LOOK LIKE IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS AND
IN CERTAIN PLACES WITHIN OUR OWN DISTRICTS, HOMELESSNESS, LIKE, LOOKS LIKE THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE LIVING IN THOSE MOTELS FROM THERE ALL
THE WAY DOWN INTO DUNCANVILLE. 
          THAT'S WHAT HOMELESSNESS LOOKS LIKE. BUT UNFORTUNATELY,
BY THIS PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING DEFINITION, WE TECHNICALLY COULDN'T EVEN PROVIDE ANY HOUSING FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE
ON THE STREET TO DO THAT. 
          SO AGAIN, THINKING ABOUT THAT CONCEPT, I REALLY WANT TO PUT MORE ENERGY AND FIGURE OUT HOW
WE CAN USE THAT PROPERTY IF NOT FOR HOUSING, CONTINUE TO MOVE IN THAT FORM OF BEING A RESOURCE FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY FIND THE HOUSING
THAT THEY NEED, SO THEY'RE NOT FORCED ON THE STREET IN THIS CASE. 
          SO AGAIN THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. AND I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT FOR ME THIS RFI
IS A TO TO TO TEST THE MARKET FOR PURCHASE. 
          AND THE WORDING SHOULD BE PHRASED IN AS SUCH BUT ALSO LEAVE ROOM FOR WHATEVER. 
          BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T CONFUSE PEOPLE WHERE WE'RE GETTING SO MANY
DIFFERENT. 
          BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN HERE, I'VE WORKED WITH THE CITY,
WE USE SO MANY DIFFERENT PHRASES AND WORDS AND RHETORIC THAT WE CAN THROW OUT THAT WILL CONFUSE THE MARKET, SOMETIMES INTENTIONALLY,
SO THAT WE GET BACK A RESULT THAT WE KNOW IS GOING TO BE EVEN MORE CONFUSING, WHICH JUSTIFIES WHAT THE ORIGINAL INTENT IS. AND BY THE WAY,
I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS SUCH A DIFFICULT DISCUSSION. I UNDERSTAND THE FINANCING THAT WAS INVOLVED AND AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT
WOULD TAKE IF IT WERE SO. 
          I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT. I WORKED IN BONDS FOR EIGHT YEARS. 
          I ISSUED THE FIRST BILLION DOLLAR BOND PROGRAM. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THE FINANCE BEHIND ALL OF THESE THINGS. 
          BUT WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS FOR MY COLLEAGUES TO GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO TEST THIS
MARKET, TO SEE IF THIS COULD BE AN ECONOMIC, ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY FOR DISTRICT THREE,
IN THE FORM OF HOUSING, IN THE FORM OF RETAIL, IN THE FORM OF RECREATION,
AND NOT JUST A HOMELESS SOLUTION FOR SOMEBODY ELSE'S DISTRICT. 
          AND I DON'T MEAN THAT IN ANY DISRESPECTFUL WAY,
BUT RIGHT IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, THERE ISN'T A HOMELESS PROBLEM. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. CHAIR. GRACEY. 
          MISS MIDDLETON. OKAY. WELL, A NUMBER OF THINGS WERE SAID TODAY THAT I THINK NEED SOME
FOLLOW UP. 
          FIRST, DARWIN, YOU GAVE A LOT OF NUMBERS. CAN YOU PUT ALL OF THOSE IN A MEMO? YES. SO EVERYTHING FROM PURCHASING PRICING TO DOLLARS ALREADY PUT IN. 
          YOU PUT IN DEMOLITION MONEY. TOTAL BUILD OUT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PARTS FOR AS MANY OF
THESE PROPERTIES AS YOU CAN. 
          OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S THE FIRST THING. THE FIRST PROPERTY IS THE FORT WORTH AVENUE,
MIRAMAR. 
          FOR YEARS SINCE OUR PURCHASE, THERE WAS A QUESTION ASKED,
ARE ARE THESE DATES REAL? THAT WAS FOR THIS PROPERTY. ARE YOU SAYING THOSE ARE NOT THE REAL DATES TO BE FINISHED? THAT WAS FOR THE INDEPENDENCE PROPERTY. OKAY. FOR INDEPENDENCE? IT SHOULD BE. 
          SINCE WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTIVE PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH. 
          IT'LL BE. I JUST WANT TO MENTION. OKAY. THAT'S WHY I'M JUST. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT A LOT OF PROPERTIES,
AND AND SO I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING THAT IT WAS THE THE FORT WORTH AVENUE ONE. THE FORT WORTH AVENUE, BUT THAT ONE,
THOSE DATES ARE SET. 
          THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY ACCURATE. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING. 
          AND SO ALSO, IF YOU'LL DO THE FINANCING FOR ALL OF THESE,
I THINK IT PROBABLY OUGHT TO BE PART OF THIS REPORT ACTUALLY. 
          OKAY. SO GOING TO INDEPENDENCE AGAIN. WE'VE HAD THIS PROPERTY THREE YEARS SO FAR. 
          THE COUNTY LAST MONTH, ALTHOUGH THERE WAS A MEMO SAYING THE COUNTY WAS PULLING BACK,
IT WAS MAINTAINED BY THE DEPARTMENT THAT THERE WAS STILL A DISCUSSION. 
          ARE YOU NOW SAYING THAT THAT YOU ACCEPT THAT THE COUNTY WILL NOT BE FUNDING? I THINK IT WAS IN EXCUSE ME. EITHER LATE DECEMBER OR JANUARY THAT A MEMO WAS SENT OUT
SAYING THAT THEY HAD FORMALLY RESCINDED IT, AND THAT'S NO LONGER SHOWING ON OUR BOOKS. 
          OKAY, SO THE NEXT QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT INDEPENDENCE LAST MONTH WAS THE FIRST TIME THE
WORD DEMOLITION HAD BEEN SAID IN A FORMAL WAY. AND THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION NOW ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDING. 
          SO I'M GOING TO JUST BACK UP AND SAY I WAS AT A RIBBON CUTTING WHERE WE ALL TOURED IT. 
          THERE HAD BEEN FURNITURE DONATED, THINGS WERE MOVING FORWARD. 
          AND THEN NOW THERE SEEMS TO BE A CONDITION ISSUE SUCH OF A MAGNITUDE THAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT DEMOLITION. 
          SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW WE WENT FROM RIBBON CUTTING AT HOME? 
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DONATED FURNITURE TO DEMOLITION? SURE. 
          TO START FROM MANY YEARS AGO, THERE WAS SEVERAL PHASES OF THIS PROJECT THAT WERE COMPLETED
BY OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS IT RELATES TO THE COMMUNITY SERVICES BUILDING. THAT WAS THE PHASE ONE. 
          THOSE DOLLARS WERE CONTRIBUTED THROUGH, I THINK,
BOND DOLLARS, I BELIEVE. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS A SECOND PHASE THAT CAME TO HOUSING FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT PIECE OF
THAT. 
          AND SO WERE THE PLANS DISJOINTED? DID WE WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THINGS IN
PLACE? PROBABLY NOT. IT PROBABLY WASN'T THE BEST PRE-PLANNING TOOL FOR THE CITY. 
          SO WHEN WE WENT OUT FOR THE NOFA, ORIGINALLY WE DID RECEIVE PROPOSALS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN
TWO SOLICITATIONS FOR THIS PROJECT. THE ORIGINAL CAME BACK AROUND. TOTAL DEVELOPMENT COST WAS AROUND 10 MILLION OR
SO. 
          BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING AVAILABLE TO FILL THE GAP FOR THAT PROPOSAL,
SO THAT PROPOSAL WENT STALE. 
          AND SO WE DID NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROPOSAL. 
          WE CAME BACK LAST YEAR IN 2024 WITH A REVISED NOFA TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY ADDITIONAL
INTEREST THAT WE COULD GIN UP FROM. 
          THE DEVELOPER COMMUNITY HELD NUMEROUS OPPORTUNITIES TO TALK TO DEVELOPERS ABOUT THE
CONDITION OF THE BUILDING, HAD SEVERAL SITE TOURS, AND BASICALLY FROM THE TIME THIS PROPERTY WAS ACQUIRED,
THE CONDITIONS OF THE BUILDING HAS HAS DEFINITELY BEEN AN ISSUE. THERE'S A LOT OF DAMAGE,
A LOT OF UNKNOWNS IN THE BUILDING. 
          AND SO AS DEVELOPERS ARE TOURING THE SITE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE TAKING INTO
CONSIDERATION IN THEIR PROPOSALS. 
          AND WE HAVE RECEIVED NUMEROUS INFORMATION, TONS OF INFORMATION FROM DEVELOPERS THAT
RELATES TO THE CONDITION. 
          AND MANY OF THEM HAVE NOT BEEN INTERESTED IN SUBMITTING A PROPOSAL BECAUSE OF THE
CONDITION OF THE BUILDING, BECAUSE OF THE DETERIORATION OF THE BUILDING AND THE COST AND ALSO THE UNKNOWNS. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE PROPOSAL THAT WENT OUT IN SEPTEMBER. 
          WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY INTEREST FROM ANY DEVELOPER. 
          WE WENT BACK OUT AGAIN FOR A SECOND TIME FOR ADDITIONAL 60 DAYS,
AND WE RECEIVED ONE. 
          AND THAT IS THE INFORMATION THAT YOU RECEIVE TODAY. 
          SO THE ISSUE IS THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDING. 
          AND I THINK COUNCILMAN GRACEY, AS WE KIND OF WAS WORKING THROUGH THIS PROCESS,
REVEALED TO US THAT WE SHOULD BE USING DEMOLITION AS AN OPTION TO SEE IF WE CAN GET ANY ADDITIONAL INTEREST FROM THE DEVELOPER COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO DEMOLITION CAME INTO PLAY AND BUT THE NUMBERS ARE STILL THERE. 
          IT'S IT'S IT'S ASTRONOMICAL. AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WHEN WE PURCHASED THIS BUILDING,
WAS THE CONDITION KNOWN? I BELIEVE CONDITIONS MAY HAVE BEEN KNOWN IN SOME FORM OR FASHION,
BUT I WAS NOT PART OF THAT INITIAL DISCUSSION. 
          I THINK SOME OTHER DEPARTMENT OR CITY DEPARTMENT CAN SPEAK TO THAT PIECE. 
          YEAH. EXCUSE ME. YEAH, I WAS I, I BELIEVE THAT IT WAS NOT KNOWN. 
          YOU KNOW, IT WAS BOUGHT ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS,
AND I DON'T THINK THAT THE TYPE OF TRYING TO THINK OF THE WORDS NOT BEING A REAL ESTATE PERSON. I DON'T THINK THAT THE TYPE OF ANALYSIS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR WAS DONE
BEFORE IT WAS PURCHASED. 
          WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I WAS ON COUNCIL,
AND WE WERE NEVER TOLD OF ANY KIND OF DEFICIENCY IN THIS BUILDING AND IN FACT, QUITE THE OPPOSITE. AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I'VE SENT A MEMO TO THE
ADMIN AD HOC CHAIR ASKING FOR RECORDING OF EXECUTIVE SESSIONS THAT WOULD ONLY BE FOR EXECUTIVE FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO GO BACK AND LISTEN TO. 
          BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE BUILDINGS WE'VE PURCHASED WHERE WE HAVE BEEN TOLD
CERTAIN THINGS THAT HAVE NOT COME TO BE, AND WE HAVE NO WAY TO GO BACK AND LISTEN TO WHAT WE WERE ACTUALLY TOLD. 
          AND THIS WOULD BE CLEARLY ANOTHER EXAMPLE. QUITE HONESTLY,
THIS IS A SCANDAL. 
          THIS IS A HORRIBLE, A HORRIBLE INCIDENT THAT'S HAPPENED WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS. 
          AND I'M QUITE SHOCKED TO HEAR SO MUCH OF THIS. 
          I REALLY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY. OKAY,
I'M GOING TO MOVE ON. 
          WAITING FOR THE DOCUMENTATION OF THE NUMBERS WHEN THIS COMES TO FULL COUNCIL. 
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ONE DAY FOR US TO RECORD EXECUTIVE SESSIONS,
I HOPE YOU'LL REMEMBER THIS DISCUSSION. 
          FOR THE HAMPTON PROPERTY. SO? SO I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH FORT WORTH AVENUE. 
          BEEN SITTING VACANT FOR YEARS SO FAR. INDEPENDENCE. 
          SITTING VACANT THREE YEARS PLUS SO FAR. HAMPTON. 
          TWO AND A HALF YEARS SO FAR. AND YET WE TALK ABOUT THE 900 PLUS PEOPLE IN INCLEMENT WEATHER SHELTERING. WE ARE FAILING ALL OF THEM. 
          VANTAGE POINT STILL HAS 13 VACANCIES OUT OF A PROPERTY OF WHAT IS IT,
136? I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE IN INCLEMENT WEATHER SHELTERING AND
STILL HAVE VACANCIES FOR ALMOST A YEAR NOW. 
          NEXT MONTH WILL BE A YEAR. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND 90% OCCUPANCY AND MAYBE PEOPLE ARE PROUD OF THAT. 
          BUT I SIT THERE AND I SAY THERE'S 13 UNITS AVAILABLE AND THERE'S HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THAT
NEED HOUSING, AND WE'RE WILLING TO START TALKING ABOUT TAKING AWAY PROPERTY RIGHTS AND OVERLAYS AND
REALLY KIND OF EXTREME MEASURES TO ADDRESS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUES OF OUR LOWEST INCOME RESIDENTS. 
          HOW DO WE HAVE FOR A YEAR UNITS SITTING VACANT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN SHARE ABOUT THAT? SO. OH GO AHEAD. OKAY. SURE. I'LL JUST SHARE. 
          I DID REACH OUT TO VANTAGE POINT, AND THE DELAYS AND THE REMAINING UNITS HAS BEEN RELATED
TO HOUSING DELAYS RELATED TO THE RESIDENTIAL BACKGROUND CHECK APPROVAL PROCESS AND UNIT INSPECTIONS. 
          BUT THINGS HAVE SLOWED A LITTLE BIT. BUT THEY ARE WORKING EXPEDITIOUSLY,
EXPEDITIOUSLY TO TRY TO GET THOSE REMAINING UNITS LEASED UP. 
          SO I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT UNIT INSPECTIONS. 
          AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHY MANY PROPERTY OWNERS DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT VOUCHER PROGRAMS. SO THEY'VE BEEN CARRYING AN EMPTY UNIT FOR A YEAR. 
          AND WHEN YOU WONDER WHY WE SHOULD, WE HAVE TO FORCE PEOPLE TO TAKE VOUCHERS. 
          NO, THIS IS EXACTLY WHY PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO. 
          THERE ARE SOME GOOD REASONS TO DO IT. ONCE THEY'RE ON THE PROGRAM,
THAT MONEY COMES IN EVERY MONTH. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT NOT GETTING PAID. BUT TO ORIGINALLY GET SIGNED UP,
IT CAN BE A SEVERAL MONTH TO WOW A YEAR. 
          I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT IN A LONG TIME. SO WHAT THIS REPORT TELLS ME AND I WANT TO SAY,
CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR INITIATING THIS. I THINK MAYBE SIX MONTHS AGO YOU STARTED IT. 
          I THINK THERE'S ADDITIONAL SYSTEM REPORT INFORMATION THAT WE NEED. 
          FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A REPORT, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HEAR ALL THE TIME FROM HOUSING
FORWARD HOW EVERYBODY IS COOPERATING AND TALKING AND WORKING TOGETHER. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE A SYSTEM REPORT THAT HAS EVERY SHELTERING ORGANIZATION MEANING NOT IF YOU
PROVIDE A HOMELESS SERVICE, BUT IF YOU PROVIDE EMERGENCY, TRANSITIONAL OR SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. 
          HOW MANY BEDS YOU HAVE, WHAT THE CAPACITY IS. 
          SOME DEMOGRAPHICS, INCLUDING LENGTH OF TIME THAT THE POPULATION HAS BEEN AT THAT LOCATION
OR HAS BEEN HOMELESS. 
          AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, OTHER DEMOGRAPHICS. AND THEN IF THERE'S EXIT STATUS AND RETURN
STATUS INFORMATION, HEALTH INFORMATION, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON LIKE A FIXED DAY,
MAYBE THE 15TH OF THE MONTH, MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE YOU KNOW, THE THIRD MONDAY OF A MONTH. 
          IT CAN'T BE NEAR THE BEGINNING OF A MONTH WHEN PEOPLE GET SOME DISABILITY CHECKS AND OFTEN
WILL LEAVE SHELTER AND GO TO A MOTEL INSTEAD. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK WE FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR SYSTEM. 
          AT LEAST I DON'T. AND THERE WAS A TIME THAT WE DID,
AND THAT INFORMATION HAS JUST NOT BEEN THERE. 
          THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF DISJOINTED THINGS HAPPENING. 
          AND I'M VERY CONCERNED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          I'M GOING TO START WITH. ADDING AN ADDITIONAL COLUMN AS WELL. 
          AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. WELL LET ME LET ME BACK UP A LITTLE BIT. 
          WE TALK ABOUT THESE FRAUD ANY PROJECT. LET'S TAKE 1950 TO FORT WORTH FOR AN EXAMPLE. 
          CAN WE ADD A COLUMN FOR THE ADJACENCY? FOR EXAMPLE,
WHAT'S NEAR THIS? THESE PROJECTS, WHETHER IT BE A PUBLIC USE,
WHETHER IT BE RESIDENTIAL APARTMENTS PUBLIC FACILITY, 
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A PARK SCHOOLS, LIBRARIES AND THEN HELP ME UNDERSTAND YOU KNOW,
JUST THIS WEEK SAW AN ARTICLE THAT TALKED ABOUT HOW PROVIDERS, HOMELESS PROVIDERS INCREASE VALUE TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 
          DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT? I WOULD SAY THAT IT DEPENDS. 
          THEY CERTAINLY CAN. WE HAVE SEEN EVIDENCE OF THAT IN THE CITY WHERE PROPERTY VALUES ARE
INCREASED. 
          BUT I WOULDN'T SAY THAT IT'S SAFE TO MAKE THAT A UNIVERSAL STATEMENT AS AS WITH ANY
PROPERTY. 
          IT DEPENDS ON THE PROPERTY MANAGER. I THINK WE HAVE SOME GREAT STEWARDS OF PROPERTY IN
DALLAS. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S A UNIVERSAL STATEMENT. 
          IF I CAN ASK FOR CLARIFICATION, CHAIR, WE HAVE DONE ANALYSIS OF PROPERTIES BEFORE WHERE WE
POINT OUT WHAT'S NEARBY IN TERMS OF THERE'S A BUS STATION, IT'S THIS FAR FROM A HOSPITAL, IT'S FAR FROM A SCHOOL. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? YES. OKAY. BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU ALSO MAYBE WANTED
ZONING. 
          I THINK WE CAN START WITH JUST WHAT'S IN THE AREA WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. ON INDEPENDENCE, 4150. INDEPENDENCE. THERE'S. 
          YOU TALKED ABOUT WATER DAMAGE. HAVE WE DONE AN ASSESSMENT FOR MOLD? NOT WATER DAMAGE. JUST THAT THERE'S A LEAK IN A PIPE SOMEWHERE IN THE OTHER BUILDINGS. 
          BUT, I MEAN, THOSE BUILDINGS ARE WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE. 
          I THINK IT'S. DO WE KNOW? HOLD ON. I'M GOING TO ASK OUR PROPERTIES EXPERT TO COME OUT AND
ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 
          GOOD MORNING. CHAIR. MORENO GLORIA SANDOVAL,
PROPERTY PROGRAM ADMINISTRATOR, OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS. 
          COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION, SIR? SURE. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE HOW THE WATER DAMAGE OR
THE LEAKING PIPE HAS HAS THAT RESULTED IN ANY MOLD OR ANY CONCERN FOR MOLD? SO THE WATER PIPES BURST SOMETIME AFTER WE DID THE
RENOVATION OF THE RESIDENT SERVICES BUILDING. THERE WAS A LEAK. APPARENTLY,
THERE WAS ONE LINE THAT SERVICES ALL THE BUILDINGS. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE THEY BREAK OFF INTO EACH BUILDING. 
          AND SO WHEN WE RECENTLY TRIED TO TURN THE WATER ON FOR AN EVENT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY
WAS HOSTING THAT'S WHEN WE DISCOVERED THERE WAS FLOODING WATER COMING OUT OF VARIOUS RESIDENTIAL,
THE RESIDENTIAL UNIT BUILDINGS, NOT THE RESIDENT SERVICES BUILDING. THERE'S NO LEAK IN THE RESIDENT SERVICES BUILDING THAT
WAS RENOVATED, SO THE PIPES HAVE CONTINUED TO BURST OVER TIME. 
          IT'S UNFORTUNATELY WHAT HAPPENED. OKAY. WITH THE RFI THAT'S THAT WAS OUT FOR INDEPENDENCE. 
          DID IT SPECIFY THE COST FOR AN ELEVATOR? I MEAN,
DID THEY GIVE YOU A BREAKDOWN OF LIKE WHAT IT WOULD COST TO MAKE THESE REPAIRS? I MEAN, I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD GIVE YOU A BREAKDOWN PER A LINE ITEM. 
          THE IN THE NOFA. THE NOFA WAS BASED OFF OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS. 
          THE RESIDENTIAL SERVICES BUILDING WAS NOT PART OF THAT,
BUT I CAN DEFINITELY GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ADDRESSED. 
          BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS PART OF IT. 
          I KNOW THAT WHEN WE DID SOME OF THE TOURS THAT DARWIN SET UP,
WE DID POINT OUT OR I DID POINT OUT TO POTENTIAL BIDDERS THAT THERE WAS THIS ADA ISSUE THAT NEEDED TO BE MET BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL
UNITS, SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS CONNECT DIRECTLY TO THE RESIDENT SERVICES BUILDING. 
          AND I POINTED OUT THAT THERE NEEDED TO BE ACCESS FOR PEOPLE TO GET INTO THAT BUILDING,
NOT ONLY TO ACCESS IT FROM THE EXTERIOR, BUT ALSO IN THE INTERIOR, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY A STAIRWELL THAT GOES FROM THE FIRST TO THE
SECOND FLOOR. 
          IT'S NOT ADA ACCESSIBLE, AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET FROM THE SECOND TO THE THIRD FLOOR IS
THROUGH THE EXTERIOR. 
          AND SO I KNOW WHEN WHEN WE ACQUIRED THE BUILDING,
IT HAD A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. 
          EVERYTHING WAS FINE. HAS THE BUILDING DETERIORATED OVER THE NUMBER OF SINCE 2022? YES, SIR. I DO VISIT THE PROPERTY REGULARLY. ALL OF OUR PROPERTIES REGULARLY JUST TO CHECK
THE CONDITION OF THEM. 
          AND I THINK THERE HAS BEEN GENERAL DETERIORATION ON THE EXTERIOR BECAUSE OF,
YOU KNOW, STORMS AND AND RAIN AND THE ROOF, THE ROOFS ARE NOT IN GOOD CONDITION. 
          THERE ARE PILLARS ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING THAT KEEP THE,
YOU KNOW, TO CONNECT THE DIFFERENT LEVELS. 
          AND THERE'S SOME AREAS WHERE IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THERE'S BEEN GENERAL DETERIORATION OVER
TIME. 
          YEAH. I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW THAT A VACANT BUILDING IS GOING TO JUST DO THAT. 
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IT DETERIORATES BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SEEING THAT SMALL LEAGUE. 
          WE'RE NOT SEEING THAT SHINGLE THAT FALLS OFF. 
          BUT I DO WANT TO I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR OVERSIGHT IN KEEPING THESE BUILDINGS
SECURE. 
          WITH THAT, IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED IN TOURING THE THE ANY OF THESE PROPERTIES,
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO REACH OUT TO STAFF TO SET THAT UP. CAN I MOVE DOWN TO I'M JUST GOING TO ASK ONE MORE THING ABOUT THE ELEVATOR. 
          I MEAN, THE ELEVATOR ISSUE WAS KNOWN, CORRECT? I MEAN, THE FIRST TIME I WENT, I WAS NOT ABLE TO TOUR THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS BECAUSE IT WAS
NOT ADA COMPLIANT. 
          THIS WAS KNOWN FROM PURCHASE, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. 
          YES, MA'AM. SO THIS IS NO SURPRISE. NO, NO, IT WASN'T WHEN WE I HEARD YOU ASK ANOTHER
QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT THE THE ORIGINAL ACQUISITION, AND DARWIN TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENT PHASES. 
          SO WHEN WE ORIGINALLY ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY,
IT WAS REALLY BROKEN UP INTO THREE PHASES. 
          ONE WAS TO RENOVATE THE FORMER GUEST REGISTRATION BUILDING,
WHICH WE NOW CALL THE RESIDENT SERVICES BUILDING, THAT YOU TOURED. THE SECOND PHASE WAS TO ADDRESS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO
IT. 
          IN PHASE ONE WAS TO ADDRESS THE ADA ISSUES, THE CONNECTION FROM THE OTHER BUILDINGS TO THE
RESIDENT SERVICES BUILDING, AND THEN THE ADA ISSUES INSIDE THE RESIDENT SERVICES BUILDING. 
          SO THAT WAS CONSIDERED PHASE TWO. AND THEN PHASE THREE WAS TO WHICH WOULD BE FOLDED INTO
PHASE THREE, WHICH IS THE RENOVATION OF THE RESIDENT UNITS,
THOSE BUILDINGS. 
          THANK YOU. GLORIA. SO THE TWO, TWO, 77 PER UNIT FOR RENOVATION, DOES THAT COME WITH A END OF LIFE? FOR EXAMPLE,
IF WE RENOVATE THESE IS THAT ADDING 20 YEARS OF LIFE? IS THAT ADDING 50 YEARS OF LIFE? DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW LONG THESE UNITS WOULD BE AROUND IF WE'RE INVESTING THAT TYPE OF
MONEY? SO IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, SINCE IT'S GOING THROUGH THE CITIES,
OUR HOUSING, APARTMENTS, NOFA, WE WILL ENSURE THAT THERE IS A 20 YEAR AFFORDABILITY PERIOD. 
          SO WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS OPERATING AS A PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING
OR WHATEVER THAT USE IS FOR THAT 20 YEAR COMPLIANCE PERIOD. 
          OKAY, MOVING ON TO HAMPTON. HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE US TO GET THE ASSESSMENT THAT'S
BEEN REQUESTED OR REQUESTED? I NEED TO CHECK. EXCUSE ME. 
          I NEED TO CHECK WITH REAL ESTATE. THEY'RE WAITING TO HEAR BACK ON THE QUOTE AND HOW LONG
THAT WOULD TAKE NOW. 
          SO WE CAN CERTAINLY SEND THAT INFORMATION AS SOON AS WE HAVE IT. 
          OKAY. AND THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR THIS TO GO TO THE EDC. 
          DO WE KNOW IF THE ECONOMIC CORPORATION HAS RESPONDED? I DON'T THINK THAT FORMALLY CAME TO US. I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          OKAY. AND HAVE WE HAS ANYONE EXPRESSED ANY INTEREST IN PURCHASING THIS SITE? NOT OUTSIDE OF THE NOFA. I DON'T THINK WE'VE WE'VE HAD INDIVIDUALS,
TOURS AND COMPANIES TOUR THE PROPERTY. 
          AND HAVE EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN POSSIBLY PURCHASING,
BUT WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING FORMAL. 
          OKAY. AND THEN WHAT IS OUR I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE ROLE OF COUNCIL AND STAFF IN
ENGAGING WITH A DEVELOPER OR A POTENTIAL OWNER. CAN YOU HELP GUIDE US ON HOW WE SHOULD HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS? CHAIR, NOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTIVE PROPOSAL I THINK HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH
WITH ANY INTERESTED DEVELOPER, I THINK WE SHOULD BE FINE WITH THAT. 
          BUT WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL PROCUREMENT PROCESS BECAUSE WE HAVE REJECTED THOSE
APPLICATIONS THAT WE RECEIVED IN NOVEMBER. 
          SO ANY DISCUSSION WITH ANY DEVELOPER AT THIS TIME WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. 
          I WOULD I WOULD THINK AND CAN YOU REMIND ME THE NUMBER OF UNITS,
HOSPITAL BEDS AND 4150 2929 HAMPTON. 2929 HAMPTON HAD,
I BELIEVE, 108 OR 110 UNITS WITH THE RFI INCLUDE A DELIVERY DATE FOR 
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UNITS TO BE AVAILABLE. YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN IS IF IT REQUIRES A ZONING CHANGE,
IF IT REQUIRES CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN ON THIS PROJECT AGAIN SINCE 2022. 
          I WOULD WANT TO SEE UNITS SOONER THAN LATER. AND SO I WOULD REQUEST THAT THEY INCLUDE A
DELIVERY DATE SO THAT WE KNOW WHEN THOSE UNITS WOULD BECOME AVAILABLE. 
          YES, SIR. IN A RECENT RFI THAT WE ISSUED, WE DID ASK FOR A DELIVERY DATE. 
          OKAY. WITH A VANTAGE POINT. WE DISCUSSED THE POSSIBILITY OF THIS ROLLING OFF OF THE MONTHLY AGENDA ITEMS. I'M GOING TO LET MY MY COLLEAGUES WEIGH IN ON THAT ON. 
          I DO THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO FOR IT TO FALL OFF THE MONTHLY UPDATES WITH THE CONDITION
THAT IF THE VACANCY RATE DROPS BELOW A CERTAIN NUMBER,
THAT IT COMES BACK ON. 
          BUT I WANT TO GET WEIGH IN FROM MY COLLEAGUES ON THAT. 
          CHAIR WEST, DID YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD? I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT REQUEST. 
          AND YOU'D RUN THAT BY ME BEFORE AND AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY REASONABLE. 
          THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS. SURE. AND WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT VANTAGE. 
          OKAY. I THINK HE WANTED TO. OH, SURE. OKAY. WELL,
TO TO PICK UP ON WHERE YOU'RE LEAVING OFF. 
          I MEAN, I THINK, LIKE 80%. I MEAN, IT'S ARBITRARY,
BUT I THINK IF IT WAS TO DROP LOWER THAN THAT, I WOULD WANT TO SEE IT COME BACK UP. I REALIZE THERE COULD BE INCIDENTS WHERE PEOPLE MAY
MOVE OUT AND IT MIGHT CAUSE A DIP TEMPORARILY, BUT I THINK IF IT CAME BACK, I'D WANT TO. I WOULDN'T WANT IT TO GO ANY LOWER THAN THAT. 
          AND THEN I'D WANT IT BACK ON THE REPORT. AND THAT SAID,
I THINK IT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT EVERY DISTRICT HAVING A PROJECT. 
          AND COULD WE ADD, BENEATH ALL THESE ACTIVE PROJECTS,
A STATUS ON WHERE THINGS MIGHT BE FOR OTHER DISTRICTS? JUST I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THIS AS A WHOLE. 
          I MEAN, I'VE EVEN WONDERED WHETHER WE SHOULD BE TACKLING THIS WITH REGARD WITHOUT A
DISTRICT LIMIT. 
          I MEAN, HONESTLY, IF A PROPERTY WAS TO BECOME AVAILABLE AND WE HAD THE FUNDS AND IT MET
THE CRITERIA THAT WE NEED TO TO GET SOME FOLKS HOUSED OR SERVED LIKE SAINT JUDE'S DOES, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD NOT BE SO LOCKED IN ON JUST EACH DISTRICT HAVING ONE. 
          AND THEN I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE THE PER UNIT COST. 
          I DON'T SEE ANY FINANCIAL INFORMATION ON THE HEADER OF THIS KIND OF WHERE,
WHERE THAT COST IS JUST TO GIVE US SOME COMPARISON POINTS BECAUSE I'LL TELL YOU, TALKING ABOUT INDEPENDENCE IS JUST REALLY GIVEN ME A NEW PERSPECTIVE. 
          AFTER SEEING IT AND NOT SEEING IT AS VERY SALVAGEABLE,
AND KNOWING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WERE TURNED OUT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WAS HARDSHIP FOR THEM. BUT THE POINT THAT YOU MADE MISS SANDOVAL,
WAS LIKE, THESE THINGS WERE ALMOST UNINHABITABLE. I MEAN,
THEY THEY ARE ARE AWFUL. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO ANYTHING WITH A PROPERTY LIKE THAT. 
          AFTER LOOKING AT IT NOW, THE COMMUNITY SPACE LOOKS GREAT,
BUT IT IS SURROUNDED BY SOMETHING THAT WITH A PRICE TAG OF SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 24 AND $29 MILLION. I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UNLOADING THE WRONG THING HERE,
BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW WE PUT THAT HUMPTY DUMPTY BACK TOGETHER AGAIN WHEN WE'VE HAD COUNTY FUNDING FALLOUT, AND WITH WHAT THE CITY IS WILLING TO PUT FORTH AND WHAT THIS PRICE
TAG IS, AND HEARING THAT NOBODY WANTS TO TOUCH IT AS IT IS. 
          SO I THINK THAT COULD BE THE HEADLINE HERE IS THAT AS MUCH AS I THINK THAT THE DREAM OF
HAVING OF IT BEING A CAMPUS AND ALL OF THAT AND WHERE IT'S LOCATED,
NO DOUBT IT WOULD REVITALIZE AND HELP AN AREA. 
          I JUST DON'T THINK THIS SHOULD BE ON THE CITY TO DO. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE THIS ONE OUT. SO THANK YOU FOR THOSE
NUMBERS, AND I APPRECIATE THE REQUEST TO GET THAT IN A MEMO SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT AGAIN. 
          BUT STILL 24 TO $29 MILLION. THAT IS TOO BIG OF A BITE FOR US TO TRY TO DRIVE. 
          AND BY US I MEAN THE CITY OF DALLAS. SO GOING BACK ON THE DECK AROUND INDEPENDENCE OR THE
DISCUSSION IN CLOSED SESSION AROUND INDEPENDENCE, USUALLY IT'S NOT JUST A DISCUSSION. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S SOME SORT OF MATERIAL, THERE'S SOME SORT OF DECK. AND SO WHETHER WE HAD TO
GO BACK INTO CLOSED SESSION TO REVIEW THAT, I DO THINK THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE TO RECALL HOW THAT WAS PRESENTED IN 2022
ABOUT THE, THE STATUS OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST DETERIORATION FROM IT SITTING THERE. 
          I MEAN, THESE WEREN'T IN GOOD SHAPE EVEN WHEN IT WAS VACATED. 
          GOING BACK THROUGH, I THINK GOING TO SOUTHAMPTON,
I THINK THIS IS A WAY WE CAN STOP FAILING THOSE 900 PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THE TEMPORARY 
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INCLEMENT WEATHER SHELTER. SO THIS IS SOMETHING NEAR TERM. 
          I LOOK AT THIS AS A NEAR TERM OF HOW DO WE HELP THE FOLKS THAT ARE IN THAT SHELTER WHO ARE
NEED A CONVALESCENT SCENARIO? THAT IS A MEDICAL USE THAT IS BY RIGHT,
IN AN AREA THAT THERE HAD BEEN A HOSPITAL, I THINK, SINCE THE EARLY 2000, MAYBE INTO THE LATE 90S. 
          SO A BY RIGHT USE THAT WAS PART OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT NOW IS SITTING EMPTY,
THAT ISN'T CONTRIBUTING IN ANY WAY ECONOMICALLY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT COULD, IN A SENSE, BY HAVING A BY RIGHT USE OF PEOPLE WHO AREN'T A THREAT TO A
COMMUNITY WHO JUST NEED SOME MEDICAL CARE. 
          THAT DOES NOT TAKE OFF THE TABLE. THE POSSIBILITY OF A SALE. 
          IN FACT, THERE COULD BE THOSE WHO SAY CITY. IF YOU SPEND BOND DOLLARS TO GET THIS UP TO
WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO BE OCCUPIED FOR A BY RIGHT MEDICAL USE, AND THE CITY DOES SOME OF THAT HEAVY LIFTING THAT MIGHT MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE TO SOMEONE
IN THAT BY RIGHT USE, WHICH COULD BE ANYTHING FROM A CONVALESCENT HOME OR A NURSING HOME TO A MEDICAL HOSPITAL
TO A PSYCHIATRIC FACILITY. 
          THOSE ARE ALL, BY RIGHT USES RIGHT NOW THAT SOMEBODY COULD HAVE COME IN AND BOUGHT THAT
PROPERTY AND ACTIVATE IT. 
          SO I SEE THE NEAR-TERM NEED AS PRETTY GREAT. BUT THE LONG TERM VISION IS SOMETHING THAT WE
ARE HEARING THE COMMUNITY ON. THERE'S A PARCEL THAT WOULD BE GREAT FOR SINGLE FAMILY OR TOWNHOMES. 
          I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF AGREEMENT AROUND THAT. 
          THE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS THAT JUST A YEAR AGO I WAS ABLE TO TOUR ONE OF THEM WE'RE NOT EVEN
ALLOWED TO GO INTO ANYMORE BECAUSE OF ITS CONDITION. 
          THE OTHER ONE THAT WE DID STEP INTO, YOU COULDN'T SPEND THE TIME I SPENT IN THERE A YEAR
AGO BECAUSE THE MOLD. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF GAS THE RAT CARCASS GAVE OFF,
BUT, I MEAN, YOU COULDN'T STAY IN THERE. 
          AND SO THEY ARE NOT IN GREAT SHAPE. THE HOSPITAL,
ON THE OTHER HAND, THOSE 111 ROOMS, THEY SEEM TO BE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE NOW, I'M NOT AN EXPERT. SO THAT'S WHY WE WANT THE THE BUILDING INSPECTION TEAM TO GO IN AND
START TAKING A LOOK AND REALLY KICKING THOSE TIRES TO SEE WHAT THAT WOULD TAKE. 
          BUT I, I KNOW I DON'T AGREE WITH THIS, JUST LOOKING AT THIS AS A PURCHASE. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS VERY MUCH A SCENARIO WHERE IT IS A MEDICAL BUY,
RIGHT? USE. WE HAVE AN OVERWHELMING NEED AND THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE NEAR TERM,
PUTTING IT TO USE IN BY RIGHT AND KEEP ALIVE THE LONG TERM VISION OF SINGLE FAMILY OR TOWNHOMES. OF COMMUNITY BASED RETAIL. 
          OF COMMUNITY MEETING SPACE. BUT WE HAVE AN IMPERATIVE RIGHT NOW THAT WE MUST ADDRESS. 
          AND WE'VE GOT A BUILDING IN PRETTY GOOD CONDITION THAT COULD HELP US DO IT WITH 111 ROOMS
AND THAT COULD BE ACTIVATED. 
          SO I DON'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY CONFUSION ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN
JUST PURCHASE. 
          THESE HAVE TO RUN CONCURRENTLY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS AS FAR AS THE RFI IS,
HAS IT EVEN HAS A DRAFT BEEN STARTED ON THAT? NOT YET. OKAY, WELL, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY WE'VE GOT TO,
YOU KNOW, START PUTTING PENCIL TO PAPER ON HERE. 
          WE NEED SOME KEYSTROKES FLYING BECAUSE THIS ISSUE ISN'T GOING AWAY. 
          I MEAN, WE JUST WE COME BACK MONTH AFTER MONTH,
AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE JUST NOT REALLY MAKING A LOT OF PROGRESS ON THAT. 
          BUT I THINK, MR. CHAIR. OH, I WAS JUST GOING TO GO BACK JUST FOR EVERYONE'S UNDERSTANDING
THAT DISTRICT 13 HAS HAD THE SAINT JUDE CENTER AT FOREST LANE SINCE 2018. 
          SO WE'RE GOING ON OUR SEVENTH YEAR THERE, AND IT IS HALF A MILE FROM A SCHOOL,
A PARK, A SENIOR CENTER, A REC CENTER. IT'S WELL MAINTAINED AND WELL RUN,
AND I GET NARY A COMPLAINT ABOUT IT. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MENDELSOHN. 
          WELCH. CHAIR. MORENO. I AM STILL, FRANKLY, STUNNED BY OUR EARLIER CONVERSATION. 
          AND SO I'D LIKE TO JUST GO BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT INDEPENDENCE AND ASK IF THE
COMMITTEE MEMBERS CAN RECEIVE THE APPRAISAL FROM WHEN WE PURCHASED THAT BUILDING. 
          I'D LIKE TO ASK IF A CURRENT APPRAISAL OF INDEPENDENCE HAS BEEN DONE. 
          DO WE KNOW? A RECENT APPRAISAL WAS DONE PROBABLY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. IT HAS NOT BEEN FINALIZED. 
          IT'S UNDER REVIEW BY FACILITIES AND REAL ESTATE MANAGEMENT. 
          OKAY. WELL, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT DRAFT. WE UNDERSTAND IT'S PRIVILEGED AS COUNCIL MEMBERS
WERE ABLE TO RECEIVE THAT. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          I'D ALSO LIKE TO RECEIVE THE APPRAISAL FOR THE INITIAL PURCHASE. 
          YES, MA'AM. WE DO HAVE THE APPRAISAL FOR THE INITIAL PURCHASE. 
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I'D ALSO LIKE TO RECEIVE COPIES OF THE RFP THAT WERE SUBMITTED AND REJECTED. 
          YES, MA'AM. HOW MUCH MONEY HAS BEEN PUT INTO THE RESIDENTIAL SERVICES BUILDING? AT INDEPENDENCE, WE SPENT APPROXIMATELY $1.8 MILLION FOR THE RESIDENT SERVICES BUILDING
RENOVATION. 
          AND IN ALL THAT TIME, THAT MONEY WAS BEING INVESTED IN THAT BUILDING,
DID NOBODY NOTICE THAT THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDING WAS SO POOR THAT THIS WAS A FRUITLESS EFFORT. THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS WERE IN BETTER CONDITION THAN THEY ARE RIGHT NOW. BUT YES, WE KNEW WE WERE WHEN WE WERE RENOVATING THE RESIDENT SERVICES BUILDING,
THAT OUR EXPECTATION WAS THAT WE WOULD DO A SOLICITATION FOR THE RENOVATION OF THOSE OTHER BUILDINGS. 
          I WAS AT THE RIBBON CUTTING AND I'LL TELL YOU,
THERE WAS LOTS OF HAPPY TALK AND NO CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS. 
          AND IT HAD NEVER COME TO LIGHT BEFORE RECENTLY. 
          SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. THE LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HAMPTON AND INDEPENDENCE,
I MEAN, IT'S CLEAR TO ME WE'VE MADE MISTAKES ON BOTH OF THESE AND THE THING THAT KEEPS COMING BACK ABOUT THE HAMPTON PROPERTY IS THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS NOT ASKED IN
ADVANCE, AND THE COMMUNITY HAS SINCE BECOME VERY CLEAR,
AND WE SEEM TO BE HAVING A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WHERE I SAY THE SAME THING. 
          SO I'M GOING TO SAY IT AGAIN. AT WHAT POINT ARE WE GOING TO LISTEN TO THE SURROUNDING
COMMUNITY? AND THIS IS THEIR CITY. WE ARE ONLY THEIR REPRESENTATIVES AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE
NOT LISTENING TO THEM. 
          SO THIS IS, I THINK, OF GRAVE CONCERN TO ME. I VOTED TO BUY THIS PROPERTY. 
          DIDN'T REALIZE THIS WAS GOING TO BE A COMMUNITY PROBLEM. DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A SCHOOL OR
LIBRARY ACROSS THE STREET. 
          AND WE JUST NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS IS A MISTAKE. 
          AND AND I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES WE'RE GOING TO KEEP TRYING TO FIT SOMETHING IN HERE THAT THEY DON'T WANT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP DOING IT YEAR AFTER
YEAR, AND THIS IS NOT GETTING US ANYWHERE. SO GOING BACK TO I THINK YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE
REPORTING. 
          I'M FINE WITH TAKING IT OFF AS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT,
WHICH IS REALLY WHAT THESE SEEM TO THIS REPORT SEEMS TO BE ABOUT. 
          BUT WHAT'S MISSING IS UNDERSTANDING THE SYSTEM. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR ALL THE SHELTERING TRANSITION AND SUPPORTIVE HOUSING TO
UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR OCCUPANCY IS. 
          IF ALL OF OUR EMERGENCY SHELTERING IS 100% PLUS OCCUPIED,
WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. 
          IF IT'S ONLY 50%, THAT MIGHT CHANGE OUR PRIORITIES AND OUR FUNDING. 
          SO I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE ACTUAL UTILIZATION IS ACROSS
ALL SHELTERING, SO THAT WE CAN MAKE BETTER INFORMED CHOICES. BUT IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT MEMO THAT
YOU'VE BEEN DOING, WHICH I APPLAUD. THAT'S FINE IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT PART OFF. 
          BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY THERE'S A LOT OF HOMELESS,
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE IN HOUSING, SOME THAT WOULDN'T. AND WE'RE NOT GETTING THE DATA WE NEED TO MAKE THE INFORMED DECISIONS
WE NEED TO. 
          THANK YOU. CHAIR. GRACEY. THANK YOU. I THINK THE OTHER POINT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE,
AS WE LOOK AT AND EVALUATE THESE TWO PROPERTIES, KIND OF THE PIECE WE'RE MISSING TO IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY
REGARDING REGARDING THE HAMPTON PROPERTY IS, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY GET SOME REAL PROPERTY TAX
CONTRIBUTIONS TO TO THE CITY AS WELL. 
          AND IN AN AREA WHERE WE'RE CONSISTENTLY YOU KNOW,
WHETHER IT'S ROOFTOPS OR ALL OF THESE THINGS, I JUST KEEP GOING BACK TO ALL THE REASONS WE CAN'T SEEM TO TO GET THOSE THINGS WE'VE BEEN
ASKING FOR. 
          THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY BRING SOME SOME PROPERTY TAX CONTRIBUTIONS
TO THE DISTRICT THAT I THINK IS WORTH EXPLORING AS WELL, WHICH IS WHY I'M KIND OF ON THIS. LET'S SELL AND SEE. 
          MR. CHAIR, IN TERMS OF YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT,
YOU KNOW, ENGAGEMENT WITH DEVELOPERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AS A RESULT OF MANY OF THESE MEETINGS, I HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY,
AGAIN, TRYING TO REPRESENT MY DISTRICT AND REPRESENT THESE PROPERTIES. 
          SO, YES, I HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH DEVELOPERS,
WHICH IS WHY I'M ABLE TO GET TO THIS POINT TO SAY, 
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LET'S DO A REQUEST FOR AN RFI SO THAT THESE,
THESE, THESE DEVELOPERS, AT LEAST FIVE, AT LEAST FIVE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, TO, TO PUT UP AND LET'S SEE,
BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S ALL THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN ASKING FOR. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS RFI IS MEANT TO SAY, OKAY, I'VE SHOWN THIS WITH MISS SANDOVAL A COUPLE OF
TIMES. 
          I'VE GONE OUT, YOU KNOW, AND SHOWED IT. I'VE GIVEN COUNTLESS TOURS OF HAMPTON AND ALL FOR
VARYING PURPOSES AND DIFFERENT USES. SOME OF THEM OVERLAP,
SOME OF THEM COULD PARTNER AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT IT'S BEEN FIVE DIFFERENT FIVE DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS THAT ALL HAVE ALL EXPRESSED AN
INTEREST IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 
          AND I THINK WE I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO EXPLORE THAT AND SEE,
HEY, IF YOU'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN THIS, IF YOU HAVE A REALLY GOOD IDEA, LET'S PENCIL IT OUT AND SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE
COULD ACTUALLY MAKE, MAKE WORK. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN ACTUALLY GET TO THE POINT
WHERE IT COULD BE BOTH AND IN A WAY THAT IT PROVIDES HOUSING FOR DISTRICT THREE DENSITY, HIGH DENSITY HOUSING FOR DISTRICT THREE,
AS WELL AS MAKING A CONTRIBUTION TO THE PROPERTY TAX FROM THERE. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY WORKING ON AND CONSISTENTLY
TRYING TO GET MOVING. 
          SO IF WE COULD EXPEDITE THE STUDIES AND ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WE NEED,
BECAUSE AGAIN, EVERY TIME WE GET TO THIS, I GET EXCITED AND THINK, WE'RE ALMOST THERE,
BUT WAIT, WE GOT TO DO THIS, OR WE'RE WAITING ON THIS AND ALL OF THESE THINGS. 
          AND AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS AS CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN HAS POINTED OUT,
SHOULD HAVE QUITE HONESTLY BEEN DONE IN THE VERY BEGINNING, IN OUR HEARTS GOT BIGGER. SEEMS LIKE HEARTS GOT GOT,
YOU KNOW, WE'RE BIGGER THAN OUR, OUR OUR FINANCIAL BRAINS ARE. 
          SO I DON'T I'M NOT SURE, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE
THIS FORWARD IN A WAY THAT DISTRICT THREE RESIDENTS, ALL OF US, DON'T CONTINUE TO BE A DISRUPTED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 
          AND WHEN I SAY DISRUPT, I DON'T MEAN PEOPLE CARRY WORDS AND ALL OF THAT. WHAT I'M SAYING
IS THIS IS BOTH A QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          THIS IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS A HOUSING. 
          THIS IS A HOMELESS SOLUTIONS. THIS IS EVERYTHING FOR THIS DISTRICT,
AND IT'S BEEN THIS WAY FOR SEVERAL YEARS, ALL WITH THE INTENTIONS OF AND GOD KNOWS WHERE THOSE FOLKS WHO WERE PUT OUT OF
INDEPENDENCE, WHERE THEY ARE NOW. BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST FOR SOMEBODY WHO TRULY HAS A PASSION FOR THIS. 
          I WANT TO DO THIS. AND FOR SOMEBODY WHO HAS A FINANCE BACKGROUND,
WHICH IS WHY I'M ACTUALLY LISTENING TO MY COLLEAGUE AND PAYING ATTENTION. 
          I DON'T WANT HER TO THINK THAT I'M NOT. BUT I ALSO HAVE MY OWN MIND AND MY OWN EXPERIENCE
IN MY OWN HEART FOR SERVICE. 
          AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THIS IN A WAY LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT NOW WITH ALL
THIS IS ABOUT IN THE FIRST PLACE, IS MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE HOUSING FOR EVERYONE,
AND WE'RE MEETING THOSE NEEDS IN THE BEST WAY THAT WE CAN. 
          SO, MISTER CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS AND TRACKING THIS. 
          AS FAR AS PUTTING THAT ON THERE, IF IT'S 80%,
I THINK THAT'S FINE. 
          IF IT'S 80%, WE CAN TAKE IT OFF. BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO WITH THIS SAME ENERGY,
WITH THIS SAME ENERGY, I WANT US TO BE ABLE TO HOLD OUR OWN COLLEAGUES ACCOUNTABLE FOR MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE
ADDRESSING THIS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE WHERE WE WE SAID,
AND I KEEP HEARING THAT WE SAID THIS WAS GOING TO BE A A CITY WIDE THING. 
          WELL, THAT'S TOO BIG TO DO THIS NOW THAT WE JUST GOT THESE PROPERTIES AND ALL THAT BECAUSE
WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          NO MORE ACCOUNTABILITY. ONCE THESE LISTS GET ON THE CHECKLIST,
WE'LL NEVER SEE THAT AGAIN. 
          AND I WANT US TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION,
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE TOLD THE VOTERS THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO. 
          AND I EXPECT US TO CONTINUE DOING THAT WITH THAT SAME LEVEL OF ENERGY ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHAIR. CAN WE GO OVER THE TIMELINE? WE TALKED ABOUT THE ASSESSMENT. I WOULD EXPECT TO HAVE THAT AT OUR NEXT MARCH,
IF NOT SOONER, MEETING RFI. WALK ME THROUGH THE PROCESS OF HOW SHORT OF A TIME IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO GET
THAT ACCOMPLISHED AND WHO WHAT DEPARTMENT IS IN CHARGE TO WRITING THE RFI? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION,
MR. MORENO. WE ARE HAPPY TO START WORKING ON THAT RFI. 
          I'M HOPING I MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE IT BY MARCH. 
          BY YOUR MARCH MEETING OR SOME PRELIMINARY INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE WE ARE WITH THE STATUS. 
          IS RFI ESSER A LITTLE BIT EASIER, QUICKER TO WRITE THAN A FULL RFP. 
          SO WE'LL EXPEDITE THAT AND KEEP YOU POSTED ON THE TIMELINE. 
          OKAY. AND THEN HOW LONG WOULD WE EXPECT TO HAVE THAT RFI OUT IN THE MARKET. 
          30 DAYS MOST LIKELY JUST TO GIVE FOLKS ENOUGH TIME TO LOOK AT IT. 
          OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. AND SO WE'LL KEEP YOU TO THOSE DATES. 
          AS FAR AS FUNDING SOURCES THE BOND WOULD BE AVAILABLE. 
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WOULD NOFA BE AN OPTION? HELP ME UNDERSTAND ALL THE DIFFERENT MECHANISMS FOR FOR GAP
FUNDING. 
          IT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION, BUT I'LL DEFER TO MY DIRECTOR FOR ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON
THAT. 
          SO WE PUT OUR NOFA OUT WITH THE FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE,
AND ANY PROPOSAL OF ANY TYPE OF HOUSING CAN APPLY TO THOSE FUNDS. 
          WE ALREADY HAVE HAD IT OUT FOR A WHILE, AND WE HAVE QUITE A FEW APPLICATIONS THAT WERE
LOOKING AT AND PUTTING THROUGH UNDERWRITE. 
          I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH MONEY WE'LL HAVE AVAILABLE WHEN WHEN IT COMES BACK WITH THE
DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE COULD PUT, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT. AND CYNTHIA,
WHAT ARE SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR NOFA? DOES THAT MEAN MARKET RATE, DOES THAT MEAN BELOW MARKET RATE OR OUR MONEY IS FOR
AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          SO IT HAS TO TESTED SERVE PEOPLE AT 120% AMI AND LESS,
DEPENDING ON THE SOURCE THAT WE USE. 
          FEDERAL IS ALWAYS 80% OR LOWER. THANK YOU. OKAY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO GO BACK OR COME BACK
TO OR RAISE THE AREAS WHERE I THINK THAT WE'RE TOGETHER. AS I LOOK AT THE HAMPTON PROPERTY. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S IN PARCELS, AND THE PD OUTLINES WHAT CAN HAPPEN IN EACH PARCEL. 
          AND SO THERE'S ONE THAT RIGHT NOW I THINK IS FOR,
YOU KNOW, A MECHANICAL PLANT. 
          THAT'S NOT VERY EXCITING, BUT PUTTING THAT BACK ON THE TAX ROLLS AND ADDING SINGLE FAMILY
OR TOWNHOME OR WHATEVER. 
          YOU KNOW, WOULD WOULD FIT. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. 
          AND, I MEAN, I WENT TO TWO OF THE FOUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND,
AND I HEARD THAT ABOUT WANTING HOUSING. 
          AND I THINK THAT IS A PIECE THAT I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE COULD WORK IT,
BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. 
          I KNOW THE COMMUNITY TALKED A LOT ABOUT PARKLAND. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ADJACENT FROM KIEST PARK,
ONE OF OUR LARGEST PARKS AND A NATURE PRESERVE. 
          SO YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'D HAVE SUPPORT TO ADD MORE PARKLAND THERE. 
          THOUGH THAT WAS A DESIRE. THERE'S ALREADY A LOT OF PARKLAND AVAILABLE,
BUT THERE WAS ALSO A DESIRE FOR COMMUNITY MEETING SPACE, WHICH, AFTER SEEING THE CONDITION OF THOSE OTHER BUILDINGS,
NOT SURE WE'D YOU KNOW, WHAT WE COULD DO WITH THOSE, BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY THE BONES OF SOMETHING THERE THAT COULD BE TURNED INTO SOMETHING
LIKE THAT AND ACTIVATED FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND THEN ALONG HAMPTON, SOME COMMUNITY BASED RETAIL. 
          YES. I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I MEAN, IF THAT COULD EVEN BE SOLD OFF AND,
YOU KNOW, GO BACK ON THE TAX ROLLS AND ADD SOME OF THE RETAIL THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I'M DEFINITELY HEARING ALL OF THAT. 
          AND I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A WAY TO ACCOMPLISH REALLY THE HEADLINES OF WHAT I WAS HEARING OF
THE WANTS OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          WHILE WE LOOK AT A SHORT TERM HELP FOR A COMMUNITY,
A CITY WIDE ISSUE, AS WE ALSO ENTERTAIN LONG TERM. 
          SO THIS IS NOT AN EITHER OR. THIS IS HOW DO WE HOW CAN WE GIVE THE COMMUNITY SOME OF WHAT
WAS ASKED FOR THAT I WOULD BE COMPLETELY SUPPORTIVE OF, BUT ALSO NOT TURNING OUR BACK ON AN ISSUE THAT WE HAVE THAT IS 900 HUMANS
THAT GO INTO A SHELTER, WHO, MANY OF WHOM ARE INFIRM, WHO WE COULD BE HELPING PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO BE SURE WE'RE BALANCING THAT OUT. 
          AND IT WAS VERY SAD TO HEAR SOME OF THE BELIEFS THAT WERE EXPRESSED IN SOME OF THE
MEETINGS THAT ARE HAVE KIND OF BEEN ALLOWED TO PERPETUATE, I MEAN, ABOUT IT BEING A WALK UP SHELTER OR THAT SORT OF THING. 
          NO, I MEAN, THAT WAS NEVER PART OF THE EQUATION. 
          AND SO IT'S JUST REALLY HEARTBREAKING TO TO SEE THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE BEING
PERPETUATED AND REALLY CLOUDING THIS WHEN THERE'S SO MUCH PROMISE FOR THE HOUSING ASPECT AND THE COMMUNITY BASED RETAIL ASPECT AND THE COMMUNITY MEETING SPACE ASPECT,
THAT COULD VERY MUCH BE PART OF THIS. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO TRY TO LEAVE WITH A LITTLE LIGHT AROUND THIS. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN. AND I CERTAINLY THINK PUTTING OUT AN RFP CAN HELP US
GET FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD WITH THIS. 
          WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING FORMAL TO REQUEST PROPOSAL OPPORTUNITIES. 
          THIS PROJECT, THIS PROPERTY HASN'T BEEN PUT OUT TO DO THAT. 
          IT'S BEEN PUT OUT AS HOMELESS ACTIVITY. AND SO GIVING THE COMMUNITY AN OPPORTUNITY TO TELL
US WHAT THEY CAN POSSIBLY DO THERE FORMALLY WOULD BE MUCH. IT WOULD TAKE US IN A BETTER DIRECTION AND HELP US GO IN THE RIGHT
DIRECTION. 
          WE NEED TO GO BECAUSE ANY, ANY INCENTIVES THAT WE DO FOR A MIXED USE,
MIXED INCOME DEVELOPMENT THERE, WE'D HAVE TO PULL IN OUR OTHER PARTNERS IN ECO AND OFFICE OF COMMUNITY CARE. 
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AND OF COURSE THE HOMELESS OFFICE. SO WE DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE AN IDEA OF WHAT COULD
POSSIBLY GO THERE FORMALLY. 
          BUT WHY NOT MAKE IT EASY AND JUST CHOP OFF THAT FOUR ACRE PARCEL IN THE BACK AND JUST SELL
IT AND LET SOMEONE ELSE DO IT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE LET SOMEONE ELSE DO AND TRY TO SIMPLIFY
THIS. 
          SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO GET ALL EMBROILED IN FINDING A PARTNER
IN THIS. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S PROBABLY INTEREST IN THAT. SO AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOMELESS ACTIVITY,
AGAIN, THIS IS PERPETUATING WHAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A HOUSING STATUS JUST LIKE ANOTHER MARKER. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, TO SAY, WELL, WE COULD HAVE IT BE A CONVALESCENT HOME BY RIGHT,
UNLESS YOU HAVE BEEN HOMELESS AND THEN YOU CAN'T. 
          SO THAT'S DISCRIMINATING AGAINST SOMEONE BECAUSE OF THEIR HOUSING STATUS. SO ANYWAY,
BUT I WOULD WANT TO ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF HOW WE JUST CUT SOME OF THIS LOOSE AND SEE WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MAKE HAPPEN THAT WAY. THANK YOU STAFF. 
          IN CLOSING, I. WE NEED HARD DATES. WE CANNOT KEEP THESE COMMUNITIES IN LIMBO HAVING TO
COME OUT HERE UNKNOWN OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THEIR ADJACENCY. 
          AND SO I WANT TO GIVE CLEAR, DEFINITE DATES ON DELIVERY OF THE ASSESSMENT,
THE DELIVERY OF THE RFI AND A TIMELINE ON WHEN THIS COMMITTEE WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO FULL COUNCIL. 
          WE WE OWE THAT TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE CAN NO LONGER KEEP THEM IN A GUESSING MODE. 
          AND SO WE'VE HAD THIS AT COMMITTEE FOR FAR TOO LONG AND I TAKE OWNERSHIP ON THAT. 
          IT'S TIME THAT WE GIVE REAL DATES TO THESE COMMUNITIES SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT OUR
INTENTION IS GOING TO BE. 
          WITH THAT, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM. 
          THIS IS A MEMO FOR AN UPCOMING AGENDA ITEM FOR THE HUMPHREYS. 
          AND WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE IT FORWARD TO COUNCIL. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY EVERYBODY'S LAUGHING THAT I PUSHED MY BUTTON. 
          OKAY. CHAIR MIDDLETON, YOU ARE NEXT. ANYWAYS,
I WENT TO MY LEFT FIRST AND MY RIGHT. 
          AND SO YOU'RE QUEUED UP. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. 
          I'M ACTUALLY NOT GOING TO ASK THE NORMAL THINGS I ASK ABOUT PFCS,
AND PERHAPS WE'LL EVEN AVOID THIS AT COUNCIL ON WEDNESDAY. 
          WHO KNOWS. BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR ONE, THERE'S A VERY LARGE PARCEL OF VACANT LAND
ADJACENT. 
          AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE WAS CONSIDERATION TO THE FACT THAT SHOULD THIS BECOME A PFC IN
THIS AREA, POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT USES THAT MAYBE HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN PUBLICLY DISCUSSED WOULD NO LONGER
BE VIABLE. 
          HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE ADJACENT LANDOWNERS? JACQUELINE SCHROEDER,
ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE HFC AND PFC. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE TEAM FROM ETHOS DEVELOPMENT HERE. 
          I'D LIKE TO HAVE THEM SPEAK TO THAT. I DO NOT THINK WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE
SURROUNDING. 
          SO YOU HAVEN'T TALKED TO THE SURROUNDING LANDOWNERS? WE HAVEN'T, BUT YOU HAVE, I'M SURE, AND THEY CAN COME DOWN AND SPEAK AND THEIR OPINION
ABOUT THIS BECAUSE, I MEAN, I TALKED TO ONE WHO SAID THAT THEY WERE UNAWARE OF THIS. OKAY. 
          THE DEVELOPERS HERE, IF WE CAN HAVE THEM COME DOWN AND SPEAK. 
          WELL, I'M NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN TALKING TO THE DEVELOPER. I'M INTERESTED IN KNOWING IF
STAFF HAS TALKED TO THE SURROUNDING LANDOWNERS. 
          WE HAVE NOT. AND WE HAVE A MAJORITY LANDOWNER THERE WHO MAY HAVE PROJECTS OR IDEAS OF THINGS THAT COULD THIS PERHAPS INTERFERE WITH THOSE? WELL, WE CAN CERTAINLY REACH OUT AND HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER
SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY TO SEE WHAT IT IS WE CAN HEAR ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING THERE. 
          OKAY. AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS GOING TO BE JUST NORTH OF THIS AREA,
THERE'S AN EXTREMELY LARGE NUMBER OF LOW INCOME APARTMENTS. 
          AND SO I'M WONDERING IF YOU CAN TELL US WITHIN A MILE OF THE SITE HOW MANY LOW INCOME
APARTMENTS UNITS ARE AVAILABLE? I DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME. 
          WE CAN GET THAT DATA. SO THAT WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT THING. 
          WE'LL GET THAT DATA. YES. AND BEING THAT BEING THAT THIS IS A PFC. 
          [02:30:05]
SO IT IS GOING TO BE MARKET RATE 50% AND WORKFORCE HOUSING,
IT WILL BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THOSE OTHER PROPERTIES ARE THAT ARE THERE. 
          BUT WE'LL GET YOU THE DATA. YEAH. SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE MARKET RATE AFFORDABLE. 
          OKAY. IN FACT A LARGE NUMBER OF THEM ARE. WE'LL GET THAT FOR YOU. 
          THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN MIDDLETON, YOU BROUGHT UP SOME GREAT POINTS. 
          AND I THINK SOME OF THESE ARE GOING TO BE AROUND POLICY AND THE REQUIREMENT FOR COMMUNITY
ENGAGEMENT. 
          HOW THAT'S DONE. ADJACENCY ARMY TARGET. AND SO CYNTHIA WHERE DID WE LEAVE OFF AND WHAT ARE
THE NEXT STEPS TO BRING IN SOME OF THOSE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN IT APPLIES TO PFC? YES. SO I DID THE PRESENTATION ON THE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS,
RECOMMENDED CHANGES IN DECEMBER. 
          WAS IT IN JANUARY? IN DECEMBER. AND AND I LEFT IT AT THAT. 
          SO I WAS ASKED TO LEAVE THAT INFORMATION WITH THE COMMITTEE TO HAVE YOUR OWN DISCUSSIONS
ABOUT WHAT YOU WANTED TO SUPPORT AND WHAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO SUPPORT. 
          AND I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY FEEDBACK YET, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU WANT TO PROCEED. 
          I CAN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH POLICY CHANGES INTO AN UPCOMING AGENDA AND GO THROUGH OUR
NORMAL PROCESS FOR UPDATING OUR POLICY. IT'S REALLY OUR OUR PROGRAM STATEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE
UPDATED WITH THE POLICY CHANGES, BUT I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY OTHER FEEDBACK SINCE THAT PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU. AND SO TO MY COLLEAGUES AND TO, JUST FIRE CITY COUNCIL AGAIN,
OPENING IT UP TO THE STATES FOR POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT WE SUPPORT. 
          AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THESE, BUT NOW WE REALLY IF WE ARE INTERESTED IN THEM,
WE NEED TO MOVE THEM FORWARD SO THAT OUR PARTNERS KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH TIME IN BETWEEN THE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS AND
PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE PIPELINE SO THOSE PROJECTS DON'T GET STUCK WITH NEW, NEW CONDITIONS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY,
YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDING POLICY CHANGE. 
          AND THEN SIX MONTHS LATER, HAVING A THAT IMPLEMENTATION DATE SO THAT WE'RE NOT CATCHING
ANY PROJECTS WHO ARE UNAWARE. 
          AND SO, AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN IT COMES TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ADJACENCY
ARMIES WHAT WHAT THE PUBLIC GOOD IS, WHETHER IT BE A DAYCARE FACILITY IN THERE, WHETHER IT BE HEALTH CLASSES,
ALL THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I BELIEVE WE CAN GIVE CLEAR DIRECTION AND GUIDANCE TO BOTH STAFF AND TO OUR DEVELOPERS. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. AND THIS IS SOMETHING I BROUGHT UP TO YOU BEFORE ABOUT IN POLICY. 
          AND I'M HAPPY TO TO PICK THAT BACK UP AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT LOOK AT
NOT HAVING THIS 100% TAX EXEMPTION, BUT RATHER LOOK AT A PERCENTAGE SMALL ENOUGH TO WHERE IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT WHETHER A
DEAL CAN PENCIL. 
          BUT IN ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THE FACT THAT THESE YOU KNOW,
THESE UNITS ARE STILL THESE PROPERTIES ARE STILL GOING TO BE USING CODE AND DPD AND BFR AND OTHER CITY SERVICES. SO THAT IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT. 
          I JUST IN LOOKING FOR A MEANINGFUL NUMBER OR WHAT THAT COULD BE. 
          IT MAY HAVE TO BE ARBITRARY TO START WITH BECAUSE SOMETHING IS MORE THAN NOTHING. 
          YES, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT. 
          AND THEN I REALLY APPRECIATE THE BREAKOUT OF HOW YOU'RE SHOWING THAT THIS WILL HAVE,
EVEN THOUGH WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 75 YEAR FORGONE TAXES, WHEN YOU FLIP IT OVER AND LOOK AT THE PROJECT REVENUE OF
$79 MILLION ACROSS THAT TIME, AS WELL AS THE 221 MILLION IN WORKFORCE HOUSING RENTAL SAVINGS. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, THERE'S ACTUALLY AN UPSIDE TO THIS. 
          IT COMES OUT AS MORE THAT THE CITY GETS. SO I APPRECIATE YOU BREAKING THE NUMBERS OUT. 
          SO I DIDN'T HAVE TO DO ALL THAT MATH EVERY TIME ANYMORE. 
          BUT I, I ALSO AM JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, HOW WE GET AT DIRECTING SOME OF THAT MONEY,
SOME OF THAT REVENUE INTO THE GENERAL FUND TO JUST HELP US ADDRESS THESE, THESE NEEDS. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT TODAY. 
          I THINK THERE'S RESEARCH TO BE DONE ON ON HOW WE ARRIVE AT A RECOMMENDED NUMBER. 
          RIGHT. BUT I DID WANT TO COMMENT ON A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE INDUSTRY EXPERTS,
UNDERWRITERS AND ATTORNEYS AND FOLKS THAT WORK IN THIS SPACE AND ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT PARTIAL EXEMPTIONS. 
          [02:35:02]
AND WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO DO PARTIAL EXEMPTIONS BECAUSE,
ONE, WE'D HAVE TO WORK WITH DCAD TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT. 
          AND TWO, IT ISN'T USUALLY COMMON BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO MONITOR. 
          AND SO I KEEP GETTING THAT SAME FEEDBACK FROM DIFFERENT FOLKS ACROSS THE SPACE. 
          AND AND SO I CAN GO BACK TO THEM AND SEE HOW,
YOU KNOW, GET MORE SPECIFICS ON HOW IF IT WAS DONE, HOW IT COULD BE DONE. BUT I'M, I'M BEING TOLD THAT IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THAT,
TO DO PARTIAL EXEMPTIONS ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY VERY DIFFICULT IS NOT KNOW. AND SO I'D LIKE TO COME FROM A PLACE OF YES ON THIS WITH THE
OBJECTIVE BEING HOW DOES THIS PROPERTY CONTRIBUTE BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND FOR SOME OF THE RESOURCES THAT WE KNOW IT WOULD WOULD USE? GOT IT. 
          OKAY. SO THANK YOU FOR MAKING MY TAX ARGUMENT. 
          AND I KNOW THAT CAME THIS TIME FROM AN UNEXPECTED PLACE. 
          SO I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU KNOW, THE POINT MADE THAT THE PFC WILL ACTUALLY RECEIVE $302
MILLION IN FEES THAT WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL FUND. THAT'S ONLY AVAILABLE TO THE PFC. 
          CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. AND SO ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THIS IS TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE PEAS
NOT ALL GO THE FEES GO TO THE PFC. 
          BUT ACTUALLY INSTEAD OF INSTEAD OF THINKING ABOUT IT AS A PARTIAL EXEMPTION ON THE ON THE
PROPERTY TAX, YOU COULD DIRECT A PORTION OF THOSE FEES TO THE GENERAL FUND OF THE CITY,
AND THERE IS NO WAY THAT WE SHOULD BE SAYING THIS IS. 
          AND NOW, NOW I'M GOING TO GO ON IT, THAT WE SHOULD BE SAYING THIS IS FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD. 
          WHEN THE NEARBY APARTMENTS HAVE RENTAL PRICES THAT ARE NOT INDIFFERENT,
THAT ARE NOT SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN THIS 80% AND 60%,
AND IN FACT, JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER NORTH IN DISTRICT 12, THIS MARKET RATE IS AN EXTREME RENT. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT RENT,
BUT THE 60% RENT AND THE 80% RENT OF WHICH WE'RE GIVING UP THIS MASSIVE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY TAXES,
THIS IS OUR MARKET RENT. 
          SO AT SOME POINT YOU SAY, WELL, MAYBE YOU DON'T GET TO LIVE AT LBJ IN THE TOLLWAY FOR THIS
PRICE, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER OUT. 
          THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS IN HOUSING. I CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN HIGHLAND PARK. 
          I LIVE FURTHER OUT. AND SO THIS IS WHERE, YOU KNOW,
THERE'S A HOUSING MENTALITY THAT SAYS ANYBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO LIVE ANYWHERE. 
          THAT'S NOT HOW THE REAL WORLD WORKS. THERE'S A PREMIUM FOR CERTAIN AREAS. 
          WELL, THIS AREA IS A PREMIUM. AND TO GIVE UP THE TAX REVENUE THAT IS ESSENTIAL TO OUR CITY
75 YEARS IS JUST OUTRAGEOUS. I MEAN, I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS I WOULDN'T VOTE FOR IT ANYHOW,
BUT I'D LOVE TO SEE THE SURVEY OF WHAT THE RENTAL COSTS ARE. 
          I BET YOU CAN GET AN APARTMENT JUST AT SPRING VALLEY A MILE UP THE ROAD THAT ARE ALREADY
AT 60 AND 80% MARKET RATE, NO TAX EXEMPTION. AND HERE WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS NEW. 
          AND YOU KNOW WHAT? IT COSTS A LOT TO BUILD NEW. 
          AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY IT'S SO EXPENSIVE. AND I DON'T THINK OUR TAXPAYERS HAVE TO DO
THAT. 
          SO THIS IS THIS IS VERY PROBLEMATIC FOR THE FUTURE STABILITY OF OUR CITY. 
          WE WILL NOT HAVE THE REVENUE TO PAY OUR PENSIONS. 
          OUR POLICE OFFICERS, FIX OUR ROADS, DO THE THINGS THAT OUR RESIDENTS EXPECT OF US WHEN WE
KEEP GIVING AWAY ALL OF THIS TAX REVENUE. 
          AND AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE EVER SAID NO TO A SINGLE PFC DEAL,
HFC DEAL OR OTHER INCENTIVE. 
          THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS. THANKS. I JUST WANTED TO COME BACK ON THAT. 
          I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESERVE SOME AFFORDABILITY AT AN AREA THAT WHILE
RIGHT NOW IT IS LARGELY A BIG DIRT LOT. 
          AND WE KNOW THAT THERE'S SO MUCH MORE PROMISE TO COME AROUND LBJ AND THE TOLLWAY. 
          THE IDEA THAT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO CAN CONTRIBUTE IN THE SERVICE INDUSTRY,
IN MIDDLE MANAGEMENT, ET CETERA. BUT STILL LIVE CLOSE TO WHERE THEY WORK IS VERY APPEALING. 
          NOW, WE CAN'T DO THAT FOR EVERYBODY. NO, WE KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT REALISTIC. 
          BUT TO BE ABLE TO GET AT HAVING SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE ABLE TO STAY CLOSER TO WHERE THEY
WORK, AND ALSO DISD IS INVESTING IN AN AMAZING INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL,
K THROUGH 12 THERE AND BEING ABLE TO POPULATE THAT SCHOOL. 
          I WAS GLAD TO SEE SOME OF THE THREE BEDROOM UNITS NOT ENOUGH. 
          I WISH THERE WERE MORE, BUT I THINK THAT HAS A LOT OF PROMISE. 
          [02:40:04]
BUT RIGHT NOW, IT ALL MAY LOOK VERY EVEN. BUT IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS,
CERTAINLY AS DECADES GO BY, THIS MAY BE THE MOVE THAT WAS MADE TODAY THAT SHOWS THE VISION OF BEING ABLE TO KEEP
PEOPLE CLOSER TO WHERE THEY CAN, THEY CAN WORK. SO FOR THAT REASON, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT. 
          ALSO, I THINK THE ACTUAL REVENUES COMING BACK WERE 79 MILLION VERSUS 302. 
          I THINK THE RENTAL SAVINGS WAS A BIG CHUNK OF THAT. 
          SO, THANK YOU. YES. AND DEFINITELY WE WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT REVENUE,
BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WAS MADE AS TO HOW YOU WANT US TO MANAGE THE REVENUE. 
          AND WE STILL NEED TO I NEED FEEDBACK. YES. SO,
I'LL KNOW WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO WITH THE POLICY. 
          CYNTHIA, CAN YOU BRING BACK TO US OR BRIEF US ON THE PERCENTAGE OF THE ABATEMENT? AND SO, WE JUST GET MORE CLARITY ON IF IT'S PARTIAL ON THESE EXEMPTIONS. 
          THESE EXEMPTIONS ARE 100% EXEMPT THESE PROPERTIES. 
          CORRECT. BUT WE CHOSE TO WE COULD DO A REDUCTION. 
          I'D HAVE TO TALK AND SEE HOW WE WOULD DO THAT. 
          RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING IS AND MOSTLY I NEED TO TALK TO DALLAS TO DCAD AND
FIND OUT HOW THEY WOULD MANAGE THAT EXEMPTION, THAT PERCENTAGE. OKAY. CHAIR MENDELSOHN REDUCTION. 
          MY LAST QUESTION IS, DO YOU HAVE THE BALANCE FOR THE PFC TODAY? THEIR REVENUE WAS AT. OH, I DON'T HAVE IT HERE WITH ME. 
          DO YOU HAVE THEIR LAST SPREADSHEET? NO, NO, I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME. 
          BUT I THINK IT WAS AROUND 4 MILLION. I BELIEVE IT WAS CLOSE TO 4 MILLION. 
          AND THEN HOW MANY, PFC. WELL, MAYBE. MAYBE IF WE COULD JUST GET THE SNAPSHOT. 
          THE REGULAR SNAPSHOT OF THIS IS HOW MANY HAVE BEEN APPROVED. 
          THIS IS HOW MANY ARE ACTUALLY GOING FORWARD BECAUSE THERE'S A PRETTY BIG GAP THERE. 
          YES. AND THIS IS HOW MUCH REVENUE THE PFC IS ALREADY. 
          WELL AND THE ONES UNDER CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE THERE'S SEVERAL OF THOSE. 
          AND THEN HOW MUCH REVENUE HAS BEEN GENERATED BY DALLAS PFC? YES, WE'LL GET YOU THAT SNAPSHOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THE TIME IS NOW 11:53 AND WE'RE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.