* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] ALL [Landmark Commission Meeting on March 3, 2025.] RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THE MARCH 3RD, 2025 MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION, WHICH I'M CALLING TO ORDER AT 1:08 PM I AM EVELYN MONTGOMERY, THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION. AND COMMISSIONER COURTNEY SP IS OUR VICE CHAIR, AND WE HAVE A QUORUM OF MEMBERS WHO ARE PRESENT TO VERIFY THAT. COULD ELAINE, PLEASE DO A ROLL CALL NOW. DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN. PRESENT, DISTRICT TWO. COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY. PRESENT? DISTRICT THREE. COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN. PRESENT? DISTRICT FOUR. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. PRESENT. DISTRICT FIVE. COMMISSIONER. OFFIT PRESIDENT. DISTRICT SIX. COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA. PRESENT. DISTRICT SEVEN. COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON? UH, DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER. SPELL DISTRICT NINE. COMMISSIONER RENAULT. PRESENT? DISTRICT 10. COMMISSIONER COX? DISTRICT 11. COMMISSIONER GATE PRESENT. DISTRICT 12. COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER. PRESENT. DISTRICT 13. COMMISSIONER POSI. PRESENT. DISTRICT 14. COMMISSIONER HARPER. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. COMMISSIONER REEVES. COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS. COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON. COMMISSIONER COX. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, I DO NOTE THAT THAT TWO OF THOSE COMMERS, COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON, COMMISSIONER COX, THEIR NAMES SHOW THAT THEY ARE ATTENDING VIRTUALLY, UH, BUT WE DID NOT HEAR FROM THEM. WE DO NEED ALL, ALL COMMISSIONERS WHO ATTEND VIRTUALLY HAVE TO BE ON CAMERA. IT IS A STATE LAW TO VERIFY THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY HERE AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THEIR PRESENCE COUNTS AND THEY GET TO VOTE. I'M WONDERING IF WE'RE HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, CAN THEY NOT HEAR US? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 'EM AND USUALLY PEOPLE RESPOND. DO THAT. OKAY. FOR NOW, I GUESS THEY'RE TECHNICALLY NOT IN ATTENDANCE UNTIL WE CAN SEE AND HEAR FROM THEM. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE QUITE A FEW DIFFERENT TYPES OF AGENDA ITEMS TODAY PLUS SUCH AN INTERESTING DAY. UM, AND TO ADDRESS THOSE PROPERLY, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER FELLI HAS SOME MOTIONS TO MAKE. IS ANYBODY CURRENTLY OUT THERE SIGNED UP FOR COURTESY REVIEW? ONE OR TWO. IS THAT YOUR COURTESY REVIEW? TWO. OH, COURTESY. YEAH. WE'RE ASKING ABOUT COURTESY REVIEW. NO ONE SEEMS TO HAVE SIGNED UP FOR THEM AND IT'S USUALLY A DISCUSSION, SO WE NEED THEM HERE. ? MM-HMM . WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO TAKE ALL THE CASES IN THE ORDER OF WHAT HAS THE MOST PEOPLE WAITING TO TALK ABOUT IT FIRST THAT WAY. THAT'S HOW WE TRY TO DO IT. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT YET. WE'RE WORKING ON IT. LET THE VICE CHAIR THINK. , WE'RE ALL DISTRACTING HER WHILE SHE'S TRYING TO THINK THEY'RE ONLINE. WELL, UM, IF THERE'S SOMEONE ONLINE READY TO SPEAK TO THE COURTESY REVIEWS, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK TO THE COURTESY REVIEWS. UM, YOU CAN JUST SHOW UP HERE ANYTIME AND, AND WE LET YOU SPEAK. AND IT, IT DOES SEEM A LITTLE UNFAIR TO THE PUBLIC TO NOT LET THEM SPEAK ONLINE AND THERE'S NO POINT IN A COURTESY REVIEW IF WE DO NOT HAVE THEIR APPLICANT HERE TO DISCUSS THEIR NEEDS AND THEIR PREFERENCES. [00:05:08] OKAY. SO WE NOW HAVE SOMEONE FOR EACH COURTESY REVIEW ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. UH, OKAY. SO FIRST, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UH, START WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA. MM-HMM . SO I MOVE TO APPROVE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. CONSENT ITEMS ONE AND TWO. CONSENT ITEM FOUR. AND CONSENT ITEMS SIX THROUGH 14. ALRIGHT, DID WE GET A CHANCE TO REQUEST THAT WE REMOVED FROM CONSENT? YES, WE'RE MOVING TO DISCUSSION. SHE'S SKIPPING THOSE. THAT WILL BE DONE SEPARATELY. OKAY. TELL ME WHICH ONES YOU ARE GOING ON TO DISCUSSION PLEASE. THE ONES THAT WILL BE MOVED TO DISCUSSION IS, UH, THREE AND 15. WE HAVE A CONFLICT ON FIVE. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON IT'S OUT. WELL, I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TWO MORE TO BE REMOVED. UH, DON'T YOU NORMALLY ASK, DID I MISS THAT? NORMALLY WE HANDLE IT IN THE BRIEFING. . YEAH, NORMALLY WE DID THEN. BUT IF SOMEONE THOUGHT OF ONE LATER, BUT LET'S, LET'S CLARIFY. C3 IS NOT BEING MOVED TO DISCUSSION IS JUST GOING TO BE RULE AS A CONSENT ITEM SEPARATELY FROM THE OTHER CONSENT ITEMS. SO WHICH ONES COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, ARE YOU WANTING TO PULL? I'D LIKE TO MOVE C 6, 6, 8, AND 15. OKAY. FIFTEEN'S ALREADY. SO C SIX AND EIGHT. LEMME SEE IF I HAVE, I DON'T HAVE, OKAY, HOLD ON ONE MOMENT, THEN MOVE THE NOTE. OKAY. UM, I THINK IN REGARDS TO CONSENT, UH, SIX AND EIGHT, UH, WHICHEVER STAFF MEMBERS ARE ASSIGNED TO THOSE, IF YOU WOULD REACH OUT AND GIVE THEM A HEADS UP AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THAT'S BEING MOVED TO DISCUSSION. I'LL PUT IT LOWER AFTER OUR SPEAKERS THAT HAVE SIGNED UP, BUT JUST TRY TO ADDRESS IT THAT WAY SINCE IT WASN'T ANNOUNCED DURING THE BRIEFING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT IN MIND, THEN I MOVE TO APPROVE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION, CONSENT ITEMS ONE AND TWO, CONSENT ITEM FOUR, CONSENT ITEM SEVEN, AND THEN NINE THROUGH 14. COMMISSIONER REEVES DID THE SECOND. OKAY. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? NONE OPPOSED. ALL RIGHT, SO THAT IS FOR ALL THOSE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS HAVE BEEN, WE HAVE RULED TO ACCEPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO FOLLOW WHAT IT SAID. AND COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON IS NOW VISIBLE AND HAS OFFICIALLY JOINED THE MEETING. WELCOME COMMISSIONER. ALL RIGHT, SO NEXT IS CONSENT ITEM FIVE FOR WHICH COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON HAS A, UH, CONFLICT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON, GO AWAY. YOU HAVE A CONFLICT WITH THIS NEXT ONE. YOU CAN COME BACK AFTER WE TALK ABOUT IT. IT WAS NICE SEEING YOU FOR A MOMENT. OH, ARE OKAY. THERE HE GOES. ALL RIGHT. I MOVE, I MOVE TO APPROVE FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, CONSENT. ITEM FIVE AND THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER REEVES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? ALL. SO THAT ONE HAS CARRIED, COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON CAN COME BACK. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COMMUNICATE THAT TO A HUMAN. UH, NEXT, WHY DON'T WE HAVE COMMISSIONER PREZI MAKE THE MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER PREZI C3. SO I HAVE A, UM, MOTION FOR, UH, C3, UH, 5 4 0 6 JUNIOR STREET, CASE NUMBER CA 2 4 5 DASH 2 6 3. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE HISTORIC SKIRTING SITING REMAIN AND NOT BE REPLACED BY ONE 17 SIDING. AND HANG ON A SECOND. WE, I JUMPED THE GUN, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. THERE ARE TWO PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THAT. ONE, A CONTRACTOR AND THE HOMEOWNER IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE SMALL CHANGE WE JUST MADE, WHICH WAS MORE OF A CLARIFICATION OF THE ALREADY INTENDED DESIGN. ARE THEY ONLINE AND WISH TO DO THAT? [00:10:03] I'M NOT SEEING A NAME THAT LINES UP WITH EITHER OF THESE. THEY, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WEREN'T GONNA TOUCH THAT ANYWAY, SO I, OKAY, SO SINCE THEY, WE ARE ONLY ASKING THEM TO PROTECT SOMETHING THEY WERE ALREADY INTENDING TO PROTECT. YES. THEREFORE, THEY SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE. SO I NEED A SE A SECOND ON THIS ONE. COMMISSIONER REEDS . WHAT A SURPRISE THAT SHE SECONDED THIS. ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THAT HAS CARRIED AS WELL. OKAY. SO TO ACCOMMODATE OUR ITEMS THAT HAVE SPEAKERS IN PERSON AS WELL AS THOSE ONLINE, I MOVE THAT WE ARRANGE THE AGENDA TO THE FOLLOWING, BEGINNING WITH CONSENT. ITEM 15, COURTESY REVIEW ITEMS THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE. DISCUSSION ITEM FOUR, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEM EIGHT, FOLLOWED BY COURTESY REVIEW ONE AND TWO. THEN DISCUSSION ITEM THREE, DISCUSSION ITEM FIVE. THEN WE'LL PICK UP CONSENT ITEMS SIX, CONSENT ITEM EIGHT. AND THEN TAKE THE REST OF THE DISCUSSION ITEMS IN ORDER. I HAVE TO WRITE DOWN WHICH ONE. YEAH, SO THAT WOULD, AFTER, AFTER CONSENT EIGHT, WE'D HAVE D ONE, D TWO, D FOUR, NO D FOUR'S UP ABOVE. SO WE HAVE 3, 4, 5. SO WE'D BE THEN DOING D SIX, D SIX, D SEVEN. WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN EIGHT AT THAT POINT, THEN IT WOULD BE D NINE THROUGH 14. THERE AREN'T . NO, THAT 11 OR 11, SORRY. 11. 11. PLEASE DON'T ADD NINE THROUGH 11. SORRY, IT'S UM, IT'S NUMBERED ON HERE. DIFFERENT ONE. SORRY. YES. NO, IT'S, IT'S DISCUSSION NINE THROUGH 11. YEAH, SO LET'S READ THAT ONE MORE TIME JUST TO MAKE SURE WE ALL GOT IT. 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK I, I THINK I GOT CONFUSED AND ELAINE HAS TO KNOW EXACTLY HOW WE'RE DOING IT. SO I, MY RECOMMENDATION OR I MOVE THAT WE REARRANGE THE AGENDA. BEGIN WITH CONSENT ITEM 15, FOLLOWED BY COURTESY REVIEW, THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEM FOUR. THEN DISCUSSION ITEM EIGHT, COURTESY REVIEW ONE AND TWO, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEMS THREE, FIVE, THEN CONSENT ITEMS SIX AND EIGHT. THEN DISCUSSION ITEM 1, 2, 6, 7, 9 THROUGH 11. OKAY, AGAIN, I DON'T SEE WHERE DISCUSSION ITEM FOUR IS IN THERE. DISCUSSION ITEM FOUR IS AFTER COURTESY REVIEW. THREE AND FIVE. THAT'S THE SAME SPEAKER. ALRIGHT, NOW EVERYBODY GET THAT OUR MOST CONFUSING REORGANIZATION EVER. I'LL SECOND. ARE YOU SECONDING THIS COMMISSIONER PREZI? OKAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? HOPEFULLY NOT. WE DON'T WANNA DO IT AGAIN. ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE, ALL THOSE THIS PASSED AND THAT'S THE ORDER IN WHICH WE WILL HEAR OUR CASES. SO STAFF WILL THEREFORE PLEASE CALL CONSENT 15. CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 15 IS ONE 19 NORTH WINDERMERE AVENUE IN THE WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 45 DASH 2 59 MW. AND I'M MARCUS WATSON. PRESENTING REQUEST NUMBER ONE IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPAINT THE MAIN STRUCTURE. SIDING, CHIMNEY AND KNEE WALLS WOULD BE SHERWIN WILLIAMS 96 55 MOUNTAIN PASS AND THE TRIM COLUMNS SES AND ACCENTS SW 70 25 BACKDROP REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL METAL GUTTERS TO MATCH THE TRIM COLOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPAINT THE MAIN STRUCTURE CITING CHIMNEY AND KNEE WALLS W 96 55 MOUNTAIN PASS TRIM COLUMNS, SES, AND ACCENTS SW 70 25 BACKDROP [00:15:01] BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS DATED 1 24 25 WITH A FINDING OF FACT THAT THE BRICK, CHIMNEY, AND KNEE WALLS WERE PREVIOUSLY PAINTED. THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS AND PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION 51 P DASH 87.1 1188 CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD STAFF. RECOMMENDATION TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL METAL GUTTERS TO MATCH TRIM COLOR BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS DATED 1 24 25. THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS IN PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION 51 P DASH 87.1 11 A EIGHT CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPAINT THE MAIN STRUCTURE SIDING, CHIMNEY, AND KNEE WALLS SW 9 6 5 5 MOUNTAIN PASS TRIM COLUMN S AND ACCENTS W 7 0 2 5 BACKDROP BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE. NEED MORE DETAIL OF WHERE COLORS ARE GOING, NEED PAINT SWATCHES AND CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING INSTEAD. BODY BACKDROP TRIM, A WARM WHITE OR BEIGE ACCENT MOUNTAIN PASS. APPLICANT COMPLIED. IT'S THE NOTE NUMBER TWO THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL METAL GUTTERS TO MATCH TRIM COLOR BE APPROVED. ALRIGHT, AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER FOR THIS ITEM. TYLER GRAY ONLINE OR I GUESS I'M LYING. YOU'RE HERE. OKAY. PLEASE GO UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS ON AND FOR OUR COMMISSIONERS AT HOME, THE COMMISSIONERS HERE ARE LOOKING AT PAINT SAMPLES OF THE PAINT. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN SHOW THAT TO YOU, . NO, IT'S OKAY. I HAVE, I HAVE, THEY'RE OUTTA LUCK. I HAVE THEM HERE. YEAH. OKAY, SIR. THE WAY WE DO THIS IS WE BEGIN BY YOU TELLING US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS EVEN THOUGH WE ALREADY KNOW IT, AND THEN YOU PROMISE OR AFFIRM OR SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH. UH, MY NAME IS TYLER GRAY, UH, ONE 19 NORTH WINDERMERE AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 8. AND THE SECOND QUESTION WAS, UH, ARE YOU GOING TO TELL THE TRUTH? YES, I WILL TELL THE TRUTH. THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. THANK YOU. YES. ALRIGHT. NOW YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO GIVE US ANY INFORMATION THAT WILL HELP US, UM, ON BETTER UNDERSTAND YOUR PROJECT. UM, BASICALLY WE ARE WANTING TO DO THE SIDING AND YOU MAY HAVE THE SWATCH AVAILABLE TO YOU THAT, UH, WE HAD SENT OVER TO MARCUS, UM, IN THE SORT OF, UH, DARKER SORT OF GREENISH BLUE COLOR WITH THE TRIM BEING THE, THE SECOND COLOR INSPIRATION FOR THIS WAS, UH, THE HOME THAT'S LOCATED ALMOST DIRECTLY BEHIND US, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH AN APPROXIMATION OF THE EXACT COLORS THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU MINUS THEY HAVE A TRICOLOR, SO THEY HAVE A THIRD COLOR. WE ARE IN ORDER TO DIFFERENTIATE FROM THAT. UM, HOME WE'RE DOING JUST THE, THE TWO COLORS RATHER THAN THE THIRD. UM, BUT IF THERE'S ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. OKAY. UM, I DO HAVE ENCLOSED ADDITIONAL HOMES IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WERE USED AS INSPIRATION WITH SORT OF DARKER COLORS, UH, ON THEM. UH, IT'S JUST, UH, JUST, UH, UH, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT THOSE, I HAVE THOSE AS WELL. ALL RIGHTY. YES. UM, THE, THE DARKER COLORS HAVE BEEN TRENDING LATELY. WE DO TEND TO, UM, WE, WE DON'T REALLY CONSIDER PRECEDENTS HERE. UH, LIKE WE SOUND LIKE WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS JUDGES, BUT WE DON'T USUALLY EVERY, EVERYTHING IS DECIDED ON ITS OWN. AND SO I'M AWARE OF THAT. YEAH. I'M GLAD THAT YOU LOOKED AROUND TO SEE WHAT THE CONTEXT WAS SO THAT YOU COULD FIT IN. WELL, YEAH, IT WAS JUST, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS KIND OF AN INSPIRATION. UM, YOU KNOW, IS ONE OF THE HOMES THAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? YES, SURE. MM-HMM . ALRIGHT. AND THEN, UH, WHAT COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT ABOUT THIS PROJECT? UM, YOU HAVE THE ONE ADDITIONAL HOMES WE JUST DARKER SIDING, DARKER CHURN, OBVIOUSLY NOT, NO PRECEDENT THERE. OH, JUST, UH, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, I BELIEVE YOU REQUESTED THAT THIS BE MOVED. UM, I DID. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, MR. GRAY, I, I DO ALSO LOOK OH, IN WINKA HEIGHTS, I'VE BEEN THERE OVER FOUR DECADES NOW. YES, NOW MM-HMM . DO YOU HAVE YOUR MICROPHONE ON? COMMISSIONER? I CAN'T EVEN HEAR YOU. YOU CAN'T HEAR ME? NO, IT'S ON. IT'S ON. OKAY. UM, AND, UM, BEFORE YOU CAME TO THE DISTRICT, I KNEW THE LITTLE OLD LADY THAT LIVED IN THIS HOUSE. OH, OKAY. WONDERFUL. SHE WAS KING AND MM-HMM . SHE, UM, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS INDICATED THAT SHE WAS AN ORIGINAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MM-HMM . I'M MM-HMM . CERTAIN OF THAT, BUT SHE WAS THERE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. THIS HOUSE HAS ALWAYS FASCINATED ME BECAUSE IT IS RATHER DISTINCTIVE IN THE DISTRICT, YOU'VE PROBABLY NOTICED MM-HMM . THAT THE, UM, THE GABLE ACROSS THE FRONT IS, UM, ACCENTED WITH TWO ADDITIONAL SMALL DETAILED GABLE. SO [00:20:01] IT'S ALMOST LIKE A TRIPLE GABLE. MM-HMM . PLUS THE, UM, THE HEIGHT FROM, UM, YEAH. IT'S VERY, THE GRADE TO THE FINISHED FIRST FLOOR IS EXCEPTIONALLY HIGH. MM-HMM . SO EVEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHER PROPERTIES ON THE BLOCK, IT'S, IT'S GOT A LOT OF DISTINCTIVE QUALITY. YES, IT DEFINITELY IS. AND I, I DO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S A PREFERENCE HERE OF LATE OR THE DARKER MOODY OR MORE, YOU KNOW, TRENDY COLORS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE THIS WOULD BE A MISTAKE, HONESTLY, IF YOU WERE TO DO IT IN THIS FASHION. I THINK THE PROBLEM HERE IS NOT THAT THE COLORS AREN'T PRETTY AND RICH, I THINK THE GRADIENT, MEANING THE TRANSITION BETWEEN THOSE TWO COLORS IS TOO SIMILAR. SO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS IF YOU PUT THOSE TWO PARTICULAR COLORS ON THE PROPERTY, I THINK WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS IT'S GONNA CAUSE 'EM VISUALLY TO MELD TOGETHER. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH CONTRAST TO SEPARATE. SO THEY'RE GONNA LOOK TOO SIMILAR AND IT'S GONNA MAKE THE PROPERTY IN ITS DISTINCTIVE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS DIMINISHED, SO TO SPEAK, INSTEAD OF HIGHLIGHTED AND MADE BEAUTIFUL, LIKE YOU'RE WANTING TO MAKE HAPPY. OKAY. UM, I ALSO THINK THAT YES, A THIRD COLOR WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD IDEA, EVEN THOUGH THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT REQUIRE IT. UM, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE IT WOULD HELP, UM, KEEP THIS HOUSE WITH A DISTINCTIVE LOOK. OKAY. UM, SO FOR THAT REASON, UM, AND I, I DO SEE THE INSPIRATION THAT YOU'VE POINTED TO. I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROPERTY TOO MM-HMM . BUT I, I BELIEVE THAT THAT SECONDARY COLOR IS LIGHTER IN THAT PRIMARY COLOR. YES. COMPARED TO THE ONE THAT YOU, THAT IS SELECTED IS SLIGHTLY LIGHTER THAN THE ONE TO CONSIDER TODAY MM-HMM . SO, UM, IT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE THAT YOU RECONSIDER THIS APPROACH AND, UM, COME BACK TO US WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT. UM, I MEAN, I, I DO RECOGNIZE THAT THE BRICK HAS ALREADY BEEN PAINTED. THAT'S THE CASE NOW FOR QUITE A WHILE MM-HMM . UM, BUT, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING I CAN'T, UM, GET BEHIND. I'D LIKE TO GET BEHIND IT. I'D LIKE EVERYBODY TO WALK AWAY WITH WHAT THEY WANT, BUT, UM, I'M OF THE OPINION THAT IF THIS IS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN, IT'S GONNA HAVE A ADVERSE EFFECT UPON THE STRUCTURE AND CONSEQUENTLY ON THE BLOCK ITSELF. OKAY. AND I'M WONDERING, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COLOR IDEAS? ? UH, I MEAN, WE WILL GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. WE COULD, WE COULD LIGHTEN IT UP THE TRIM COLOR TO MATCH THE HOME THAT'S BEHIND US TO BRING IT IN LINE WHAT'S WITH WHAT'S, UH, UM, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY. UH, IF POSSIBLE WE COULD ADD A, UH, A THIRD COLOR. OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD TAKE GOING BACK KIND OF TO THE DRAWING BOARD A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, OPPOSED TO DOING THAT IF THAT'S WHAT THE, UH, COMMISSION RECOMMENDS. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YEAH, I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN. I'VE DONE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON COLORS OVER THE YEARS, AND THESE COLORS ARE BOTH VERY SIMILAR IN, IN, IN DEPTH AND IN KOMA. SO I WOULD SUGGEST EITHER A LIGHTER OR DARKER, A LIGHTER COLOR OR A TRIM COLOR, BREAK IT UP BECAUSE I THINK THE MASSING OF THIS ON THE HOUSE IS GONNA MAKE IT LOOK VERY DARK. OKAY. AND YOU'RE GONNA LOSE SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURE DETAIL. ALRIGHT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MRS. DAON? I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT IT'S NOT FOR THE APPLICANT. SO SHOULD I WAIT? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR IF IT COULD BE, UM, MR YEAH, IF IT WOULD BE FOR STAFF, BUT MY, MY QUESTION IS THEN UPON THE SORT OF STAFF'S FINDING OR OR BELIEF IN LOOKING AT IT, IS THAT THERE ISN'T ANYTHING WITHIN THE ORDINANCE THAT THEY CAN USE TO, UH, MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION OR EXPRESS THAT THEMSELVES. SO HOW IS THAT TYPE OF A THING HANDLED THEN ON APPEAL IF, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME IN TERMS OF LIKE, IF YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T ALLOW US, LIKE YOU CAN GIVE YOUR OPINION THAT YOU DON'T LIKE IT. UM, BUT IF IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT BASIS, THEN HOW IS IT HANDLED ON APPEAL? I THINK THE ANSWER, THE, THE QUESTION THAT YOU NEED TO ANSWER HERE TODAY IS, IS IT COMPATIBLE WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND STAFF'S, STAFF'S STANCE ON IT WAS THAT IT REALLY HAS TO BE THE COMMISSION OF 15 PEOPLE DECIDE WHETHER IT'S COMPATIBLE OR NOT. LIKE I'M ONE PERSON I CAN SAY, OH YEAH, IT'S COMPATIBLE, OR NO, IT'S NOT. AND THEN HAVE, ALL OF Y'ALL WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION ON WHETHER IT'S COMPATIBLE. SO THAT'S WHY MY STANCE WAS APPROVED. BUT, BUT Y'ALL HAVE TO BE THE ONES TO DECIDE WHETHER IT'S COMPATIBLE, BUT IT WOULD BE ON COMPATIBILITY, NOT ON PREFERENCE. SO ON APPEAL THEN, CPC WOULD BE EVALUATING IF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION WAS CORRECT OR INCORRECT INTO [00:25:01] WHETHER OR NOT THAT MADE IT COMPATIBLE. SO IT THEN TOSSES A, THE PAINT COLOR DISCUSSION TO THEM. YOU NO, IT DOES NOT, NO. OKAY. ON APPEAL. YOU, YOU ARE, YOU, THIS BODY IS, ARE THE EXPERTS ON WHETHER IT'S COMPATIBLE OR NOT, AND THE, THE CPC CANNOT CHANGE THAT ANALYSIS IF YOU DECIDE THAT IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE, THEY CAN'T CHANGE THAT. THEY CAN ONLY SAY YOU WERE WRONG IF YOU USED THE WRONG STATUTE, IF YOU USED THE WRONG CRITERIA. ARE YOU, UM, THERE TO ? OKAY. SO THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE NECESSARY STATUTE TO USE? BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU IS THAT IT DOESN'T EXIST. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE NOT MAKING THAT DECISION. THIS WHAT YOU'LL BE USING IS, RIGHT. SO, SO WHAT YOU WOULD BE USING IS, UM, UH, I GUESS THIS IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT. IF, IF THERE IS SOMETHING FOR US TO POINT TO, TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION, UHHUH , THEN IT HAS TO EXIST FOR STAFF AS WELL. RIGHT. THERE ISN'T A STANDARD THAT EXISTS FOR US THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO YOU. SO THE POINT AT WHICH YOU SAY, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE DOING THAT, IT HAS TO BE UP TO 15, THEN TO ME THAT AT THAT POINT, LIKE YOUR ANALYSIS HASN'T CHANGED, IT EITHER IS OR ISN'T ALLOWED BY THE STATUTE. IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME WHAT IT FEELS OR SOUNDS LIKE OR SEEMS LIKE IS, UM, I WANT JUST SORT OF, UM, WANTING TO LIKE BUILD A COALITION OF SORTS SO THAT IT, UM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF MAKES IT WHETHER OR NOT, NOT WE'RE GOING OUT ON THE LIMB OR NOT. THE, THE CRITERIA SAYS THAT IT MUST BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE, WITH THE REST OF THE DISTRICT. OKAY. SO AS STAFF, I CAN ONLY GIVE MY, MY OPINION, IF I WERE SITTING ON THE COMMISSION, IF I WERE MEMBER NUMBER 16 MM-HMM . I WOULD VOTE TO APPROVE. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE REST, THE 15 OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT SAY I DISAGREE WITH YOU. AND THAT'S OKAY. AND THAT WOULD BE BASED ON WHAT THE FINDING THAT IT'S COMPATIBLE. SO YOU'RE SAYING THEN THAT, SO THE, SO OKAY THEN SEEING THE STAFF AS A RECOMMENDING BODY IN THE SAME WAY THE TASK FORCE THAT'S A RECOMMENDING BODY. YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU, I MEAN, SO ESSENTIALLY YOU ARE EXPRESSING AN OPINION SAYING IT'S COMPATIBLE. CORRECT. YOU DON'T LIKE IT, BUT IT'S COMPATIBLE. CORRECT. OKAY. NOW I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT, MR. BUT ACTUALLY THAT WAS WHAT YOU CAME HERE. THAT'S OKAY. NOT A PROBLEM. AND I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT WE, THE COMMISSION ARE THE ONES WITH THE QUASI-JUDICIAL POWERS TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE FINAL DETERMINATION. STAFF DOES NOT HAVE THAT. SO THEY WILL PROBABLY ALWAYS ERR ON THE SORT OF SAFE MIDDLE AND RELY UPON OUR HOPEFULLY HELPFUL POINTS OF VIEW TO BETTER CLARIFY HOW, HOW WE OUGHT TO ACTUALLY RULE ON SOMETHING. OKAY. I SEE A HAND UP. IT IS COMMISSIONER OFFIT. YES. I I'M SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT CLARIFICATION OR CLARIFY. SO OUR VOTE IS EITHER TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE BASED UPON DOES IT MEET THE CRITERIA OF THE ORDINANCE? NOT WHAT SPECIFICALLY THE CRITERIA OF IS IT COMPATIBLE, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY A BIT OF A JUDGMENT CALL BASED ON AESTHETIC PARAMETERS AND, AND STANDARDS, BUT STILL THERE'S A BIT OF A JUDGMENT CALL WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING AND SAY, IT APPEARS SIMILAR ENOUGH TO OTHER CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES TO NOT DETRACT FROM THE EFFECT THEY CREATE OR, AND HOPEFULLY TO ENHANCE THE EFFECT THEY CREATE. OKAY. I'M NOT, THAT DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION. MY QUESTION WAS, OUR VOTE IS, WOULD BE EITHER YES OR NO, BASED UPON DOES IT MEET THE CRITERIA OF THE ORDINANCE? NOT ON PERSONAL TEXT. IT'S NOT ON OUR PERSONAL PREFERENCE OF WHAT LOOKS GOOD OR DOESN'T GOOD LOOK GOOD, BUT AMONG THE CRITERIA ARE THE PAINT CAN'T BE METALLIC. IT'S NOT, IT MEETS THAT CRITERIA. THE PAINT CANNOT BE, UM, FLUORESCENT AND IT'S NOT, THE MUCH MORE AMBIGUOUS CRITERIA IS THAT IT MUST BE COMPATIBLE AND NOT INCOMPATIBLE. THAT'S NOT QUITE AS EASY AS METALLIC OR FLUORESCENT PAINT. WE ALL KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE. I BASICALLY, THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU TODAY IS DOES IT HAVE A DOMINANT COLOR AND NO MORE THAN TWO TRIM COLORS AND THAT THE STRUC THE COLOR OF THE, THE COLORS OF THE STRUCTURE ARE COMPLIMENTARY OF EACH OTHER AND THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT. SO THEY HAVE TO BE COMPLIMENTARY. AND THEN THE NEXT QUESTION BECOMES THEN IS, IS DOES IT MEET THE, THE MAJOR [00:30:01] CRITERIA THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO, TO THE BUILDING? SO, SO YOU JUST NEED TO DECIDE IS IT COMPLIMENTARY TO THE REST OF THE DISTRICT AND TO EACH OTHER? AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE SO FAR, LIKE PERHAPS HAVING TWO SUCH SIMILAR COLORS MIGHT HIDE SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. THAT DOES SUGGEST IT IS NOT COMPLIMENTARY TO THE FORM OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT MIGHT NOT SHOW THE SHAPE AND THE DETAILS WELL ENOUGH, WHICH WE WANT IT TO DO. AND THAT IS A FAIR REASON. SO THAT, THAT'S A CRITERIA SORT OF . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ONE? COMMISSIONER SHERMAN PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION AND, UM, I'LL SPEAK TO THE MOTION IF I NEED TO, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU JUST SAID SUMMARIZES THE LEEWAY THAT WE HAVE HERE. AND IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, IT'S THE APPLICATION OF THE COLORS TO THE SPECIFIC STRUCTURE, WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE, WHETHER IT'S COMPATIBLE, WHETHER IT HAS AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE ARCHITECTURE OR NOT, AND THE BLOCK FOR THE DISTRICT OR NOT. SO WE DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO, UM, OFFER UP OUR OPINION IN THIS REGARD. SO IN THE MATTER OF CA 2 4 5 DASH 2 59 MW ONE 19 NORTH WINDERMERE ADAM, UM, AVENUE, I MOVE THAT THE PROPOSED COLOR COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION, CAN I INTERJECT? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE, UM, FOR THIS IS OUT OF 15 AT ONE 19 NORTH WINDERMERE, WHICH IS CONSIDERED A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. AND SO THEN THE STANDARD, HOLD ON, CAN I HAVE TWO SECONDS? I WANNA CHECK SOMETHING WITH MARCUS. YEAH, . OKAY, LET ME START FROM SCRATCH. IN THE MATTER OF CA 2 4 5 DASH 2 59 MW ONE 19 NORTH WIND MERE AVENUE, A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING WITHIN THE WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, I MOVE THAT THE PROPOSED, UM, COLORS AND THE GUTTERS, ITEMS ONE AND TWO BOTH BE FOR NOW DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE TO GIVE THE APPLICANT A TIME, UH, TO RECONSIDER. UM, BECAUSE, UM, WITH FINDING A FACT THAT THE GRADIENT MEANING THE TRANSITION OF ONE COLOR TO THE NEXT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS TOO SIMILAR AND THUS IF APPLIED TO THE PROPERTY IN THIS MANNER, IT WILL CAUSE THE DISTINCTIVE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS TO ESSENTIALLY MELD AND NOT, UM, BE HIGHLIGHTED WELL ENOUGH, UM, TO BE, UM, TO NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT UPON THE STRUCTURE OR THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE. THE SECOND, THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? AND I BELIEVE WE CAN PROCEED. OH, COMMISSIONER RENELL. UH, JUST WANTED TO ADD, UH, A REAL QUICK WAY THAT, THAT I USE TO BE ABLE TO, UH, JUDGE COLORS THAT ARE, THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR IS WHEN YOU SQUINT IT BASICALLY TAKES THE LIGHT AWAY. SO, AND IF THEY READ THE SAME SHADE WHEN YOU'RE SQUINTING, THAT MEANS THERE'S NOT ENOUGH DIFFERENCE IN BETWEEN THE, THE TWO. JUST A LITMUS TEST. YEAH. SO THAT THE HUE IS NOT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE. AND I DID SQUINT AT YOUR SAMPLES AND THEY DID SORT OF MARCH I SQUINTED YES, . SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. AND ONE MORE ISSUE THAT THEY ARE BOTH VERY DARK AND WHEN IT IS IN SHADE OR UNDER THE PORCH, IT'S GONNA BECOME EVEN DARKER AND YOU'RE GONNA LOSE EVEN MORE OF THAT DETAIL. AND ONE WOULD ADD THAT A THIRD COLOR DOES HELP CALL OUT SOME OF THE UNIQUE FEATURES, ESPECIALLY THOSE TWO ADORABLE WOODVILLE GABLES ON THE FRONT. WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY SHOW. ALL RIGHT, IF WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? NO. YES. OPPOSED? YOU ARE OPPOSED? YES. OKAY. I, I KNOW WHAT, COULD YOU SAY YES OR NO? . ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE ONE IN OPPOSED, THAT MEANS [00:35:01] THE, OH, COMMISSIONER OFFIT HAS ALSO BEEN IN OPPOSITION. ANYONE ELSE ONLINE I MISSED WHO WAS IN OPPOSITION? WE ARE NOT LINE, HANG ON. OKAY. COMMISSIONER HANNAH HOSTEL, WERE YOU IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION AND COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON, WERE YOU IN FAVOR? YES. YES YOU WERE. AND COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A TOTAL OF THREE VOTES AGAINST THE MOTION STILL CARRIES. IT IS COMMISSIONER OFFIT, COMMISSIONER GAY, AND COMMISSIONER REEVES. ALRIGHT, SO THE MOTION CARRIES, SIR, SO YOU HAVE A DENIAL. A PERSON WHO HAS HAD A DENIAL FROM US MAY APPLY TO CPC AND THEY WILL SEE IF WE HAVE FAILED TO FOLLOW THE STATUTORY LAW THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. OKAY. BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE REALLY MESSED UP. BUT, UM, YOU CAN DO THAT IF YOU HAVE TO. YOU HAVE TO PAY A FEE, BUT OF COURSE WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR. IT'S JUST A CHANGE OF, OF THE DIFFERENCE IN THE COLORS AND MAYBE ADD A THIRD. SO IF YOU, IT WOULD BE BEST IF YOU JUST GO CONSIDER THAT. THINK OF SOME THREE NICE COLORS YOU MIGHT LIKE TO USE AND DR. DUN CAN HELP YOU COME BACK. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TOTALLY DIFFERENT COLORS. THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT. WE JUST WANNA SEE 'EM. I MEAN, YOU, THE, THE ONES YOU SHOWED US EVEN THEY TENDED TO HAVE A, A LIGHTER ONE COLOR AND A DARKER ONE COLOR BY MORE OF A MARGIN THAN YOU HAD. SO YOU COULD EVEN GO BACK AND LOOK AT YOUR EXAMPLES AGAIN AND SEE HOW THEY WERE DOING IT. BUT IF WE MIMIC THE HOME BEHIND US, I KNOW THERE'S NOT PRECEDENT THAT THOSE COLORS WOULD BE POTENTIALLY ACCEPTABLE OR THEY MIGHT OKAY. JUST, YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. WE WANNA BE ABLE TO SEE THEM AS AS DARK, LIGHT AND MEDIUM. PROBABLY WE'LL WORK TOGETHER AND WE WILL ALSO TAKE IT BACK TO TASK FORCE. OKAY. IT WILL BE A VERY IMPORTANT STEP TO HELP YOU WITH THAT. PERFECT. OKAY. AND WE WISH YOU THE BEST. AND YOUR HOUSE IS ADORABLE. OKAY. NEXT STEP IS COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER THREE, WHICH WILL BE FOLLOWED BY COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER FOUR. THEY HAVE THE SAME APPLICANT, I BELIEVE. RIGHT? OKAY. AND FIVE . THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED. OKAY. OKAY. ARE WE READY? SO WE'LL GET TO YOU RIGHT AFTER STAFF READS IN WHATEVER THEY NEED TO READ, MA'AM. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF COURTESY REVIEW ITEM NUMBER THREE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1145 BETTERTON CIRCLE IN THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE CASE NUMBER IS CR 2 45 DASH ZERO NINE RD. THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW. IT'S A COURTESY REVIEW OF OUR, TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT A DUPLEX. THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS, SINCE IT'S A COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED. SO THE STATEMENT IS THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT, A DUPLEX, THEY CONCEPTUALLY APPROVES WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW, TASK FORCE FEEDBACK, COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS. NUMBER ONE, MASSING IS INAPPROPRIATE. USE TWO 10 NORTH CLIFF STREET AS A MODEL. NUMBER TWO FOR WINDOWS USE WHITE ALUMINUM, ONE OVER ONE OR ALL WOOD, NOT CLAD WOOD. NUMBER THREE, ADD A ROOF OVER SIDE, EXTERIOR DOORS ON THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE OUR, OUR SPEAKER HERE, JESSICA GARRETT, AND OF COURSE THE COURTESY REVIEW. WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY DECISION, WE'RE JUST GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT WITH YOU AND PERHAPS, UM, MAKE SUGGESTIONS, SOME OF WHICH YOU MIGHT LIKE AND SOME OF WHICH YOU DON'T. AND HOPEFULLY WE FIND OUT SOMETHING THAT, THAT WILL MEET BOTH THE NEEDS OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND, AND YOUR NEEDS AS, AS A PERSON BUILDING THE HOUSE. SO YOU HAVE TO BEGIN BY GIVING US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND THEN YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. I GUESS YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROMISE THAT FOR THIS, BUT , YOU SHOULD STILL TELL US THE TRUTH BECAUSE WE CAN'T HELP YOU IF YOU DON'T TELL US. UH, JESSICA GARRETT. OKAY, GREAT. ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE STARTING WITH CR THREE. THAT IS 1145 BETTERTON CIRCLE. WELL, THAT WOULD BE YOUR , THAT'S THE ADDRESS THAT YOU'RE, UH, DOING ON THIS ONE. SO TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. SO FOR THIS MADAM CHAIR POINT OF ORDER, PLEASE [00:40:02] HANG ON. COMMISSIONER OFFIT? YES, I, I, I KNOW THERE'S SOME SORT OF NOISE GOING ON, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A VOICE IN THE BACKGROUND. WE ARE NOT PICKING UP THAT IN THIS ROOM WITH EVERYBODY WITH A COMPUTER. PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE YOUR MICROPHONE TURNED ON WHEN YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING. I'M SORRY, LET ME RESTATE THAT. I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THE WORDS SHE SAID. OKAY. I DON'T THINK THIS WAS ON. LET'S VERIFY. YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON. IT'S VERY TRICKY. YEAH. OKAY. UM, SORRY, I'LL GO AHEAD AND START OVER. SO THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON A CURB, UH, VACANT LOTS ON EITHER SIDE, UM, SEVERAL VACANT LOTS ON EITHER SIDE. THERE ARE HOMES FURTHER DOWN THE STREET THAT ARE NOT VISIBLE DUE TO WHERE THIS IS LOCATED ON THE STREET. UM, LOT OF VERY LARGE MATURE TREES AS WELL THAT WOULD BLOCK THOSE SIGHT LINES. SO HERE WE'RE KIND OF, UM, STARTING FROM A CAMELBACK TYPOLOGY. THIS WOULD BE A DUPLEX. SO ON THE FRONT, UM, THAT'S VISIBLE HERE, THERE WOULD BE, UM, THE ONE MAIN UNIFIED FRONT PORCH WITH TWO FRONT DOORS. UM, AND THEN IT WOULD BE A CAMELBACK STRUCTURE AS WELL. SO THE TWO STORY PORTION IS ONLY THE REAR HALF OF THE PROPERTY, UM, OF THIS STRUCTURE. UM, ALRIGHT, UH, WELL LET'S, WOULD YOU LIKE, ARE YOU READY FOR QUESTIONS NOW? SURE. I'LL YEAH. ASK YOU ABOUT ASPECTS OF THIS. I'M JUST TRYING TO STUDY THE COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. YES. IS THE BUILDING THERE DESIGNED? IS THAT A CAMELBACK? UM, BECAUSE THERE'S PICTURES OF THE CAMELBACKS HERE THAT I, IN THE DOC IN THIS INFORMATION, I, I DON'T SEE IT. THIS SOME, WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN IS WHAT SHE'S PROPOSING TO BE A CAMEL BACK. IN OTHER WORDS, THIS IS THE LEFT AND RIGHT ELEVATION. SO IT'S ONE STORY IN THE FRONT AND TWO STORY IN THE BACK. IS THAT WHAT A CAMEL BACK IS? OKAY, HERE'S THE, HOLD ON. IF YOU NOTICE THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, THEY RECOMMENDED THAT SHE, THAT THE APPLICANT USED AS A MODEL, WHICH YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A CAMELBACK YES. SHOTGUN IN 10TH STREET. THIS IS TWO 10 NORTH CLIFF STREET, AS YOU SEE IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE, UH, TASK FORCE. OKAY. OKAY. MY NEXT QUESTION, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE POTENTIALLY THAT REMOTELY RESEMBLES THIS MASSING? THIS IS A, A VERY LARGE SQUARE BLOCK BUILDING WITH A LITTLE SHOTGUN STUCK ON THE FRONT OF IT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT REMOTELY? NOT REALLY. UM, THERE IS ON SOUTH CLIFF, UM, IT'S CLOSER TOWARDS THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE, NOT CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION OF BETTERTON, BUT THERE IS A PROPERTY THAT IS SIMILAR WHERE IT IS THE, THE SKINNY PORTION OF THE HOUSE IN THE FRONT AND TWO STORY IN THE REAR. SO IT'S A MASSIVE TWO STORY HOUSE WITH A LITTLE SHOTGUN STUCK ON THE FRONT OF IT. DO YOU HAVE THE ADDRESS? I CAN LOOK UP THE ADDRESS. I DON'T, I DON'T, UH, WANNA ADD THE WORDS MASSIVE TO IT BECAUSE I DON'T AGREE THAT THIS IS MASSIVE. WELL, I KNOW THE TENSOR NEIGHBORHOOD VERY WELL AND THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT, THERE MAY BE ONE EXAMPLE, BUT WHAT I SEE IN THIS DESIGN IS TOTALLY, UH, GOING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION THAN THE CENTURY NEIGHBORHOOD. IN MY OPINION, IT LOOKS LIKE A MASSIVE BIG, VERY FOURSQUARE WITH A LITTLE SHOTGUN STUCK IN THE FRONT OF IT. AND, AND THE CAMELBACK IS TWO SHOTGUNS WITH A CAMEL HUMP IN IT, NOT A MASSIVE TWO STORY BUILDING. SO IF YOU WERE TO DROP DOWN THE TWO STORY THING TO A ONE AND A HALF STORY WOULD BE A LITTLE CLOSER, BUT IT'S STILL NOT A CAMELBACK. 'CAUSE THE CAMELBACKS GOT TWO SHOTGUNS WITH A CAMEL HUMP AND THIS DOESN'T HAVE THAT. BUT NONETHELESS, I THINK THE MASSING IS WRONG AND NEEDS TO BE REWORKED. . THIS, THIS IS COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. UM, I, I THINK THE TWO STORY STRUCTURES THAT ARE HISTORICALLY IN 10TH STREET ARE MORE OF THE VICTORIAN STYLE, AND YOU CAN FIND THOSE ON NINTH STREET AND ON EIGHTH STREET. AND THOSE ARE THE, YOU KNOW, TWO LARGER HOMES THAT WERE EXISTING BEFORE THE ORDINANCE TOOK PLACE IN 93 THAT HAVE MORE OF THE VICTORIAN, UM, STYLE THAT I WOULD REFERENCE. UM, BUT IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT A CAMELBACK STYLE, I DON'T THINK THIS ACHIEVED THE CAMELBACK STYLE SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ON NORTH CLIFF STREET. MY QUESTION IS, DID YOU LOOK [00:45:01] AT THE OTHER LARGER HOMES ON, IN 10TH STREET OR DIGITAL AS AN EXAMPLE? I'M NOT SURE, UM, WHAT THE ARCHITECT WAS REFERENCING AT THE TIME. UM, I AM SIMPLY REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE, THE APPLICANT. YEAH. WISH I KNEW. I THINK I WOULD FOLLOW THAT WITH A QUESTION, UM, JUST TO SAY, SO IF THIS STRUCTURE WAS CONSIDERED MORE OF A VICTORIAN, UM, TYPOLOGY AND DESIGN-WISE, IF THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED APPROPRIATE, THEN IN THIS CASE CHANGING THOSE DESIGN ELEMENTS. I, I THINK THOSE ARE THE ONLY LARGER HOMES THAT WERE BEFORE THE ORDINANCE THAT, THAT HAVE THOSE TWO STORY ASPECTS THAT I WOULD PULL FROM. IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR EXISTING CAMELBACK STYLES, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE ONE STORY HOME WITHIN THE 10TH STREET COMMUNITY. OKAY. COMMISSIONER RENO. UM, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO START. UM, IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO IMAGINE WAS WHAT WAS DRIVING THE FORM TO BEGIN WITH, AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE PARKING. SO TO BE ABLE TO GET TWO OR BASICALLY, UH, PARKING STALLS FOR, FOR FOUR CARS, UH, WITH ACCESS FROM THE FRONT RATHER THAN THE OTHER DIRECTION. THAT WAS WHAT WAS FORCING IT INTO THIS SORT OF T-SHAPED PLAN MM-HMM . AND PUSHING ALL THE MASKS TO THE BACK. UM, IN MY OPINION, THAT'S A MISTAKE. UM, THERE ARE, UH, JUST LIKE, UH, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR HAD JUST MENTIONED, THERE'S, UM, A BEAUTIFUL HOME AT 1113 EAST NINTH STREET THAT'S IN FACT A TWO STORY HOUSE. IT'S OKAY TO BE A TWO STORY HOUSE. IT'S NOT OUTTA SCALE FOR THE DISTRICT. UM, AND IT HAS A, UM, A, A WRAPAROUND PORCH ON THE, ON THE FRONT AND THAT HELPS BRING THE, BRING THE SCALE DOWN. UM, NOW IT DOESN'T ACCOMMODATE FOUR PARKING STALLS IN THE FRONT, SO AGAIN, IF IT'S REALLY BEING DRIVEN BY CARS, UH, NO PUN INTENDED, RATHER THAN, UH, HAVING A, A FORM THAT'S APPROPRIATE TO THE, UM, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. UM, I I THINK IT'S A, I THINK IT'S THE WRONG DIRECTION. JUST WANTED TO ADD OR WANTED TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT YOU, UM, UM, THERE THERE'S ALSO ACTUALLY A NEW HOME THAT'S BEEN BUILT AS WELL AND IT'S AT 10 31 CHURCH STREET. UH, AGAIN, IT'S VERY SIMILAR, WELL IT'S NOT AS DETAILED AS THE, THE ONE ON NINTH STREET, UM, BUT IT DOES HAVE A, A ONE STORY PORCH, UH, ACROSS THE ENTIRE FACADE AND IT'S IN FACT A TWO STORY HOME. AND, AND YOU CAN FEEL THAT FROM THE, FROM THE STREET RATHER THAN TRYING TO HIDE IT. UM, SO THIS AS WELL HAS THE, THAT FRONT PORCH ACROSS THE EN ENTIRE FRONT PORTION AS WELL. UM, I THINK, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE MASSING, UM, QUESTION THAT'S COMING INTO PLACE BECAUSE THIS IS, I MEAN, THE STRUCTURE IS TRULY NOT VERY TALL, UM, FOR A TWO STORY HOME. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS 12 FEET CEILING HEIGHTS ON FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR, LIKE THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING IN BISHOP ARTS WHERE IT'S JUST COMPLETELY OUT OF SCALE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COME AND YOU BUILD ANOTHER TWO STORY STRUCTURE NEXT DOOR, EVEN A ONE STORY STRUCTURE, THAT THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE LOOMING OVER ANY OTHER NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT MAY POP UP. RIGHT. UM, SO IS THERE A WAY YOU COULD FURTHER ELABORATE ON, LIKE, YOU WOULD ONLY ALLOW A ONE AND A HALF STORY STRUCTURE, LIKE JUST FURTHER ELABORATE SO THAT WE CAN SURE. NO, NOT AT ALL. UH, I MEAN, I THINK A TWO STORY IS APPROPRIATE. OKAY. IT'S TOTALLY FINE. UH, WHAT I DON'T LIKE ABOUT THIS PART OR APPRECIATE ABOUT THE PARTICULAR DESIGN AND WHY I FEEL IT DOESN'T FEEL OR WHY I FEEL IT'S NOT, UM, UH, COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT THE, WHAT PRESENTS ITSELF AS THE FRONT OF THE HOME. IT'S NOT A MAJOR ROOM. UH, YOU GOT A LITTLE DOOR ON THE SIDE AND A TINY LITTLE WINDOW. SO EVEN AS THE WAY, EVEN THE WAY THAT IT ADDRESSES THE STREET, UHHUH IS NOT THE WAY A HOME WOULD IN, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE. SURE. OKAY. UH, THERE'D EITHER BE TWO MAJOR ROOMS OR, OR JUST ONE MAJOR ROOM WITH A, UH, WITH A MAJOR ENTRY. UM, AND, AND THIS FILLS IN THAT REGARD. UM, LIKE I SAID, THE, THE TWO OTHER ADDRESSES THAT I'VE OFFERED I, I THINK ARE, ARE NICE ALTERNATIVES. YEAH. I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT THAT IS ALSO A LIVING ROOM. I THINK WE HAVE TO READ THE, UM, THE PLANS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ELEVATIONS, UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL WINDOWS ALONG THE SIDE THERE THAT, THAT DO LET IN THAT NICE LIGHT AND HAVE THAT OPEN SPACE INSTEAD OF THE, THE HOME BEING SO WIDE AT THE FRONT PORTION. UM, BUT I'M GONNA TAKE BACK THESE TWO OTHER ADDRESSES FOR THEM TO REFERENCE AS WELL FOR ANY REVISIONS. THANK YOU. [00:50:01] UM, YOU MENTIONED THE PARKING AS WELL. IS THERE A PREFERRED PARKING LAYOUT THAT YOU GUYS WOULD PREFER TO SEE? IT'S 'CAUSE THE CITY'S HAD SEVERAL, UM, CONTRADICTIONS THERE, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AS WELL. YEAH. UM, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE HOME TAKES UP VIRTUALLY THE WHOLE WIDTH OF THE, OF THE LOT. SO THERE ISN'T REALLY ANOTHER, UH, AT LEAST IN THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN. UM, 'CAUSE THE OTHER WAY WOULD BE TO PUSH THE MASS TO ONE SIDE AND, AND BEING ABLE TO DRIVE TO THE BACK. SO THEN YOU'RE ONLY OFFSETTING THE, THE PROPERTY LINE SAY 10 FEET OR SO. MM-HMM . UM, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THERE'S ALREADY A FIVE FOOT SETBACK, SO IT'S JUST FIVE MORE FEET, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE, THE REAR AND, AND HELP SOLVE THE, THE PARKING ISSUE. 'CAUSE THE SITE IS IN FACT VERY DEEP. UM, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, YEAH, THIS LOT, UM, PROBABLY THE REAR 50 TO 75 FEET OR SO ACTUALLY DROPPED DOWN INTO A CREEK. I SEE. SO ANOTHER REASON WE HAD INITIALLY, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THEY STARTED WITH A ONE STORY PLAN THAT WAS VERY DEEP, BUT IT JUST WASN'T FEASIBLE FOR THE, THE SITE AS WELL BECAUSE OF THAT GRADE CHANGE. RIGHT. OKAY. SO IN A PERFECT WORLD, JUST TO SUMMARIZE, YOU GUYS WOULD PREFER THE PARKING TO GO DOWN THE SIDE AND AROUND BEHIND THE STRUCTURE. OKAY. YEAH, IT'S REALLY TO GET THE, UH, A MAJOR ROOM ON THE FRONT. OKAY. IF, IF THERE IS ONE, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT , UH, JUST BECAUSE THE SCALE OF THE WINDOW THAT'S FACING THE STREET, UM, I MEAN, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT IT COULD BE FACING THE SIDE, BUT REALLY IT'S THE WAY THAT THE, THE, THE BUILDING ADDRESSES THE STREET THE WAY THE OTHER, UM, TWO STORY HOMES DO. UM, YEAH, IF YOU CAN FIGURE OUT ANOTHER WAY TO, TO PARK IT, THAT WOULD I THINK SOLVE A LOT OF ISSUES. THANK YOU. AND UM, JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE MAIN, I'M NOT GONNA SAY PROBLEM. THE MAIN ISSUE IS THAT YOU HAVE THE ONE STORY PART AT THE FRONT STICKING OUT IN FRONT OF A TWO STORY THING. THERE REALLY ISN'T MANY HISTORIC TYPES THAT HAVE THAT FORMATION. YOU'RE, YOU'RE APPEALING TO THE, THE, THE CAMELBACK FORM OF A SHOTGUN HOUSE, BUT THOSE AREN'T REAL COMMON IN DALLAS ANYWAY AND THEY DON'T LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THIS. IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU COULD TURN IT AROUND THE OTHER WAY AND PUT THE PORCH BACK ON THE FRONT. USUALLY YOU START OFF WITH KIND OF A CUBIC TWO STORY HOUSE IN FRONT AND MAYBE THEY ADD ON SOME LOWER ROOMS IN THE BACK AND THAT'S HOW, WHAT YOU TEND TO SEE INSTEAD OF THIS WAY, IT'S JUST THAT THAT ODD PART WHERE A ONE STORY PART SHUTS OUT IN THE FRONT IS VERY UNFAMILIAR IN ALMOST ANY NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEREFORE COULDN'T BE VERY COMPATIBLE WITH THIS ONE. I, AND HE KNOWS, WE ALL KNOW WHY YOU DID IT SO THAT YOU COULD PARK OUT IN THE FRONT AND YOU'VE GOT THIS ODD SKINNY BLOCKED. YEAH, I THINK IT, IT'S ALSO, UM, FOLLOWING THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DOCUMENT THAT DR. DUNN HAD SENT OVER AS WELL. SO I'M NOT SURE OF ALL THE DESIGN DECISIONS THERE, BUT THAT WAS ANOTHER THING THAT WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WAS THAT DOCUMENTATION THAT WAS SENT TO, OKAY, WELL THE, THE FIRST THING YOU THINK ABOUT IS THE OVERALL SHAPE OF THE HOUSE AND THEN YOU ADD IN ALL YOUR OTHER STUFF. SO IF YOU WERE GONNA FOLLOW THE SUGGESTION OF MAKE IT FOR MORE VICTORIAN, THEY WOULD ALWAYS HAVE A PORCH OUT FRONT OF THEIR MAIN BLOCK OF HOUSE WITH A LIVING ROOM AND A DINING ROOM, BUT THEY HAD ALL KINDS OF FORMAL ROOMS UP IN THE FRONT AND THEN MAYBE IT'S EXPANDS IN THE BACK OF A ONE STORY MANNER. THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE WHAT WE'D EXPECT EVERYBODY ELSE TO HAVE BUILT OVER THE YEARS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER ISSUES SUCH AS OMNI TYPE OF WINDOWS? SO DOORS WE SEE IN THIS, ANY OF THAT SORT OF THING? I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT I WAS NOT AGAINST A TWO STORY FORM. THERE ARE VICTORIAN TWO STORY HOUSES, BUT THIS MASSIVE BOX WITH THE SMALL PIECE IN THE FRONT IS, IS VERY DIFFERENT. AND ALSO I'M CONCERNED WITH THE PARKING AS ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS MENTIONED, PARKING IS IN DRIVEWAYS AND THE DRIVEWAY GOES GENERALLY TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. SO I THINK THIS HOUSE IS ACTUALLY TOO BIG FOR THE LOT BECAUSE WE WOULD NOT NORMALLY SEE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FRONT STRUCTURE WITH THE CARS RUNNING INTO THE STRUCTURE. THEY, THEY CARS NEED TO BE IN A DRIVEWAY THAT GOES TO THE BACKYARD OR IN THE BACKYARD THROUGH AN ALLEY POSSIBLY. BUT I THINK THE BUILDING IS TOO BIG FOR THE LOT AND THE PARKING NEEDS TO BE REASSIGNED TO A DRIVEWAY OR THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. ALRIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? COMMISSIONER POSI. I, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE WIDTH AT THE BACK, THE, THE BACK SECTION, THE TWO STORY SECTION, IF THAT WAS SMALLER THEN IT WOULD, IT'S A VERY LONG AND DEEP LOT SO YOU COULD GET, YOU KNOW, A, A PRETTY GOOD SIZE HOUSE ON THERE. I DON'T THINK IT'S TOO BIG. I THINK THAT THE WIDTH IS, IS ISSUED, UM, UH, ON, ON THE BACKSIDE AND I AGREE ALSO THAT THE, THE SMALLER ONE STORY PORTION IS JUST DWARFED BY THE TWO STORY PORTION. IF THE WHOLE PORCH WENT ACROSS THE FRONT MAYBE WAS A SHED ROOF INSTEAD OF A HIP ROOF ON THE PORCH, IT WOULD MAKE MORE MORE SENSE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE HERE. AND WHEN YOU HAVE A CA CAMEL BACK, THE CAMEL BACK IS IN LINE WITH THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND DOESN'T JUT OUT WIDER THAN THE, THE FRONT SECTION OF THAT. [00:55:01] SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. UH, O OTHER THAN THE MASSING, UM, WHAT, WHAT IS THE, UM, WHAT KINDA MATERIALS ARE YOU GONNA USE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THIS? UH, THIS HAS, I BELIEVE IT'S THE ONE 17 NOVELTY SIGHTING, VERY POPULAR . AND IT'LL BE WOOD? YES MA'AM. OKAY. THAT'S JUST ONE WARNING. WE TEND TO PREFER TO SEE THE NATURAL MATERIALS THAT WERE AVAILABLE AT THE TIME WHEN THE ORIGINAL HOUSES UP. SO A LOT OF WOOD. YES. AS WELL AS THE WOOD WINDOWS. A LOT OF WOOD AND PAINTED INAPPROPRIATE HISTORIC COLOR. , YOU ALREADY HEARD US TALK ABOUT THAT. SO YOU, WE WORRY ABOUT THOSE COLORS. OKAY. ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS FOR REFINING THIS DESIGN? JUST ONE LAST THING. I SUGGEST YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET THE MASSING AND THE DETAILS RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT WILL HELP YOU A LOT NEXT TIME. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION A FEW OTHER DETAILS WHEN YOU GET TO THEM BECAUSE IT, THEY'LL BE, UM, YOU KNOW, TRANSLATABLE NO MATTER WHAT STYLE, WHAT STYLE OF HOME. UM, THE GANGED WINDOWS TYPICALLY HAVE A, A, A FULL LIKE STRUCTURE IN BETWEEN THEM. SO IT'S GENERALLY SIX TO EIGHT INCHES IN BETWEEN. SO THEY DON'T, THE, THE JAMS DON'T GO RIGHT TOGETHER. THEY'RE, THEY'RE SORT OF SPLIT APART. UM, THE HIP RIP WILL PROBABLY HELP ON THE LARGER MASS TOO. I MEAN YOU CAN ADD GABLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT I THINK, UH, THE HIP WILL HELP, UM, SORT OF BRING THAT, UH, THE MASS OF IT BACK DOWN AND BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROLLABLE. UM, JUST WANNA OFFER THOSE TWO. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT THEN IF THAT IS IT FOR COURTESY REVIEW THREE, DON'T GO AWAY MA'AM. WE NEED YOU FOR COURTESY REVIEW FOUR . OKAY. YES. YEAH, IT'S THE SAME . OKAY. I CAN READ IT INTO THE RECORD, BUT AS THEY'RE SAYING IT'S THE SAME, IT'S THE SAME THING, BUT UM, JUST PRETEND WE SAID IT ALL AGAIN. YOU SAID ALL AGAIN. OKAY. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN. THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF COURTESY REVIEW ITEM FOUR. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 2 2 7 SOUTH CLIFF STREET, THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE CASE NUMBER IS CR 2 4 5 DASH EIGHT RD. THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW TO REVIEW CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT A DUPLEX STAFF RECOMMENDATION. SINCE THIS IS COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED. THE STATEMENT IS THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT A DUPLEX BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW TASK FORCE FEEDBACK, COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS. NUMBER ONE, MASKING IS INAPPROPRIATE. USE TWO 10 NORTH CLIFF STREET AS A MODEL. NUMBER TWO FOR WINDOWS USE WHITE ALUMINUM ONE OVER ONE OR ALL WOOD, NOT CLAD WOOD. NUMBER THREE, ADD A ROOF OVER SIDE EXTERIOR DOORS ON THE LEFT AT THE RIGHT. NUMBER FOUR, ALTER THE DESIGN FROM THAT OF PREVIOUS DUPLEX. A CHANGE IN PAINT COLORS IS NOT ENOUGH. ALL RIGHTY. SO I TAKE IT WE HAVE NO MORE TO SAY ABOUT THIS ONE AS IT WAS ALSO I DO REMEMBER PREVIOUS ONE. OKAY. I THINK BESIDES ALL THE COMMENTS FROM THE PREVIOUS MATTER, I THINK WHAT YOU FIND ON SOUTH CLIFF STREET IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN BETTERTON. SOUTH CLIFF DOESN'T HAVE, IT'S A MUCH TIGHTER STREET WITH MORE ONE STORY HOMES THAT SPANS FROM THAT CLAIN TO NORTH. SO I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR A ONE STORY HOME THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE OTHER HOMES ON SOUTH CLIFF STREET THAN A LARGER HOME SINCE THE LOT ISN'T AS DEEP AS BARRINGTON CIRCLE THAT BACKS UP TO THAT CREEK. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY RESPONSE TO THAT MA'AM? OR, UM, JUST, MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE IF ZONING ALLOWS A TWO STORY HOME BASED ON THAT PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATION, WOULD A TWO STORY HOME BE ACCEPTED EVEN IF IT IS FOLLOWING ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS? OR IS IT GONNA BE REJECTED AND SAY, NO, WE WANNA SEE ONE STORY? WELL, WE CAN'T PREDICT THE FUTURE. SURE. BUT WE DO TEND, YOU KNOW, ZONING TENDS TO BE KIND OF REALLY SPECIFIC. YES, WE'VE HEARD TALKING ABOUT THIS ALREADY. UM, WHAT WE WONDER ABOUT IS IF THIS HOUSE WILL FIT COMFORTABLY IN WITH THE OTHER HOUSES THAT ARE AROUND AND WILL BE BUILT TO MAINTAIN THE OVERALL FEELING OF HISTORIC NATURE WHEN YOU'RE WALKING AROUND DOWN THERE OR WHEN YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE SEEING THE HOUSE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'D BE JUDGING IT ON. MR. TAYLOR, WHO [01:00:01] WAS JUST SPEAKING TO YOU HAS ACTUALLY WORKED IN, UM, IN THE 10TH STREET DISTRICT A LOT. SO HE'S PROBABLY QUITE FAMILIAR WITH, WITH THE WAY EACH STREET FEELS, THE TYPE OF HOUSES THAT IT WOULD BE TRYING TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH AND SETTLE AMONG COMFORTABLY. SO I THINK HE'S A GOOD PERSON LISTEN TO ON, ON THAT ABOVE. SO THAT WOULD BE, YES, ONE STORY RECOMMENDATION. IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. YES. AND SO PERHAPS IT IS HIS INTERPRETATION THAT THAT'S WHAT WOULD BEST FIT WITH ALL THE OTHER HOUSES AROUND AND THANK YOU. BE GOOD. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE? I JUST WANTED TO SAY AGAIN, YOU NEED TO BRING BACK SOMETHING THAT IS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU NEED TO FIND A STRUCTURE THAT YOU LIKE. YEAH. TO MY UNDERSTANDING, IT WAS ALL FOLLOWED FROM THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT DR. DUNN HAD SENT TO OUR TEAM. UM, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY MAKE SURE THAT THEY GO OUT AND THEY'RE LOOKING IN THE SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND ON THE SAME STREETS IF THAT'S WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU SUBMITTED INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU SUBMITTED DOES NOT WORK. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE? DOES THAT REVIEW NUMBER FOUR? ALL RIGHT, THEN WE CAN MOVE ON TO CONSENT. REVIEW NUMBER FIVE. OKAY. THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF COURTESY REVIEW ITEM NUMBER FIVE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 28 35 TANNER STREET IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE CASE NUMBER IS C 2 45 DASH ZERO ONE RD. THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW OF CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF RECOMMENDATION. THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW SO NO ACTION IS REQUIRED. THE STATEMENT IS THAT A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LAND OF MARK COMMISSION REVIEW TASK FORCE FEEDBACK, COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS AT FREEZE BOARD OF MINIMUM OF EIGHT INCHES HIGH ABOVE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS. TWO, ADD LOWER VENT TO MAIN GABLE WALL. THREE, REPLACE SIDING BETWEEN PAIRED WINDOWS WITH TRIM, A MINIMUM OF FOUR INCHES BODY. ALL RIGHTY, MR. COMMISSIONER PRESI, YOU HAVE YOUR MICROPHONE ON? I DO. THEN YOU MUST HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. GO AHEAD. I DO. I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UH, ON THE DRAWINGS, UM, YOU'VE GOT, UH, ONE SET OF SINGULAR DOUBLE-HUNG WINDOWS, AND THEN THE REST OF 'EM ARE DRAWN TO THE JUST ONE WINDOW WITH NO DIVISION. I'M, ARE THAT, IS THAT TYPICAL OR ARE THEY ALL SUPPOSED TO BE SINGLE HUNG, DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS ON ALL THE ELEVATIONS? UH, NO, I BELIEVE THE, UM, DRAWING IS DONE IN ERROR THERE. OKAY. THE, THE SINGLE HUNG WINDOWS SHOULD BE SHOWN AS SINGLE HUNG WINDOWS, AND THEN IT WOULD BE, UM, A RECOMMENDATION IF YOU ALL WOULD REQUEST THE ONE OVER ONE, WE CAN MAKE THAT AS WELL SO THAT ALL WINDOWS LOOK UNIFORM. OKAY. YEAH. THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY COMMENT. THAT ALL THE WINDOWS BE A SINGLE HUNG OR DOUBLE HUNG, UH, TO ALL MATCH ON ALL, UH, ALL ELEVATIONS. OKAY. UM, OVERALL, I THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK IT'S MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN THE PAST TWO. I, I, I THINK YOU'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH THIS. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT MATCHES, UH, WHAT'S THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, SO I THINK IT'S MUCH, IT'S MORE SUCCESSFUL ON THIS ONE. MICHELLE RENO, UH, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. UM, AND I BELIEVE THIS WAS EVEN IN YOUR PACKAGE AS, UM, UH, WHEN YOU'RE SHOWING ALL THE HOMES IN A ROW, UM, THE ADDRESS, UH, 28 11, IF YOU USE THAT AS A GUIDE, WHAT GENERALLY HAPPENS WITH THESE, UM, UH, UH, FLOOR PLANS? THE PORCH TENDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER AND IN FACT COMES IN FRONT OF THE GABLE OF THE BEDROOM OR LIVING ROOM, WHICH I CAN'T RECALL WHICH ROOM THAT WAS. UH, INSTEAD OF BEING BEHIND IT, SO IT TAKES MORE PRECEDENCE. UM, LET'S SEE, 28 11, I BELIEVE IT SHOWS UP. I THINK YOU HAVE IT IN THE SET. HMM. YEAH, IT'S ON, YEAH, IT'S ON THE BLOCK FACE CALCULATIONS. UH, IT'S THE SECOND HOME FROM THE LEFT ON THE, IN THAT GROUPING OF, OF ELEVATIONS. SO THAT PORCH ACTUALLY COMES FORWARD AND IT ONLY COMES FORWARD MAYBE ABOUT TWO FEET OR SO FROM THE, THE PLANE OF THE, THE ROOM TO THE NEXT OF IT. AND I THINK [01:05:01] THAT PROPORTION ACTUALLY, YOU SEE IT A LOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IT DOES FEEL VERY, UH, A LOT MORE COMPATIBLE THAT WAY. YEAH. IT'S THE SECOND HOME ON THE LEFT IN COLOR ON THE PHOTOGRAPH. THIS ONE, YEAH, THAT PARTICULAR LAYOUT WHERE THE ENTIRE GABLE ON THE, THE FRONT ROOM GOES OVER THE HOME. IT'S JUST A, A DIFFERENT WAY OF ORGANIZING THE, THAT FRONT MASS. I THINK THE PLAN IS, IS STILL PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU HAD. UM, LET LOOK AT THIS. YEAH, BECAUSE THE OTHER THING I WAS WONDERING IS THAT THAT DINING ROOM IS ONLY LIKE, AND I, I KNOW WE GENERALLY DON'T GET INSIDE THE HOME, BUT THIS WILL HELP YOU WITH THE MASSING. UM, THAT DINING ROOM IS ONLY ABOUT EIGHT FEET DEEP, MAYBE EIGHT AND A HALF FEET DEEP. UM, BECAUSE THE SIZE OF THE LAUNDRY THAT'S RIGHT BEHIND IT. IF YOU WERE TO PULL THAT WALL, SAY EVEN TWO FEET FORWARD, UM, AND THEN THE PORCH COMES WITH IT AND PROJECTS PAST THE, THE FRONT BEDROOM, THAT MASSING WILL WORK A WHOLE LOT BETTER, I THINK, AND FEEL MORE, MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE, WITH SOME OF YOUR NEIGHBORS. COMMISSIONER, ARE YOU DONE? COMMISSIONER RENO? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? ONE LITTLE DETAIL I NOTICED IS IT PROBABLY NEEDS A, A FASCIA BOARD, UM, BY THE, THE COLUMNS, THE FRONT PORCH. USUALLY THERE'S A BEAM EXPRESSION OR A FASCIA BOARD THAT, THAT, THAT SITS ON TOP OF STRUCTURALLY. THAT'LL GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DEFINITION TO THE FRONT PORCH. YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT'S ON THERE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. IF NOT, THEN WE ARE READY TO MOVE ON TO D FOUR. AND, UM, MS. GARRETT, THIS WILL BEEN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE WILL BE MAKING SOME DECISION ON THIS ONE TODAY. YES MA'AM. AND SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT MORE FORMAL ABOUT HOW WE HAVE TO HAVE TO DO IT, BUT NOT BY MUCH. WE'RE NOT REAL FORMAL, SO FIRST STAFF NEEDS TO READ THIS ONE IN. OKAY. THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING DISCUSSION ITEM D FOUR. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 2313 ROW MINE AVENUE. THIS IS UNDER PRE DESIGNATION MORATORIUM, IN PARTICULAR THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD. THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 4 5 DASH 2 71 RD. THE REQUEST IS FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A PRE-DESIGN DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 1 25 1 27 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE THAT A FASCIA OR FREEZE BOARD BE ADDED TO ALL ELEVATIONS INCLUDING ABOVE THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS. MINIMUM HEIGHT EIGHT INCHES, PREFERABLY CEDAR TWO THAT EXPOSED DRAFT TAILS ARE TO BE EXPRESSED AT ROOF OVERHANGS. THREE, THAT EXTERIOR SIDING THE ALL WOOD MILLWORK PATTERN, 1 1 7 HORIZONTAL LAP SIDING AND FOUR THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE OF BRUSH FINISHED. CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION D FIVE B FOR NON NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. NUMBER ONE, ADD A WINDOW TO THE FRONT PORCH, WALL NUMBER TWO, CENTER FRONT DOOR AND RECOMMENDED WINDOW WITH PORCH STEPS. NUMBER THREE, ADD PAIRED WINDOWS TO FRONT OF LEFT SIDE ELEVATION. NUMBER FOUR, ADD WINDOW TO REAR EXTERIOR WALL AND MASTER BEDROOM NUMBER FIVE. SIDING SHOULD BE NOVELTY PATTERN 1 0 5. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. SO TO DO THIS RIGHT, I NEED YOU TO TELL US YOUR NAME AGAIN AND THIS TIME YOUR ADDRESS WHERE YOU ACTUALLY LIVE, NOT THIS PROPERTY ADDRESS. IT'S A RULE . IT'S NOT 'CAUSE I CARE WHERE YOU LIVE. OKAY. CAN I GIVE YOU MY BUSINESS ADDRESS? UH, YEAH, THAT'LL BE FINE. , JESSICA GARRETT. 1 3 6 0 1 PRESTON ROAD. OKAY. AND THEN YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU WILL TELL US THE TRUTH TODAY? YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHTY. THEN WE BEGIN WITH YOU HAVING THREE MINUTES TO TELL US ANYTHING YOU THINK WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. THANK YOU. THIS, UH, PROJECT IS LOCATED AT 2313 . UM, IT IS A SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE. UM, WE HAVE DONE OUR BEST TO LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND CREATE [01:10:01] A STRUCTURE THAT FITS IN WITH THE FABRIC THAT'S EXISTING THERE AND BE RESPECTFUL OF ALL OF THE HISTORIC REQUIREMENTS AS WELL AS THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT ARE HERE. AND NOW YOU'RE READY FOR QUESTIONS? YES, MA'AM. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. I ASSUME ALL THE WINDOWS ARE GONNA BE ONE OVER ONE 'CAUSE THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE JUST ONE. YES, SIR. OKAY. WHY DO WE HAVE THE SMALL ONE, UH, SINGLE PANE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT SIDE? THAT'S VERY UNUSUAL. UM, THE WINDOW THAT'S ON THE PORCH WAS ACTUALLY A RECOMMENDATION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, TASK FORCE. SO THEY SAID THAT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THEY TYPICALLY SEE A WINDOW ON THE FRONT PORCH. UM, I WAS HERE THIS MORNING DURING THE BRIEFING, SO THAT IS ON THE FAR RIGHT, A WINDOW AND A BATHROOM. SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, WE'LL NIX IT. IT, IT'S JUST UNUSUAL TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF WINDOW. THE FRONT FACADE. YEAH, THAT PORTION IS ACTUALLY SET BACK QUITE A BIT THERE. UM, SO I MEAN IT IS THE FRONT FACADE, BUT IT'S NOT SO TO SAY THE FRONT, FRONT . OKAY. PROBABLY THE WINDOW ON THE NEXT TO THE DOOR NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. AND ALSO, SO IT IS, I WOULD SUGGEST A A, A LARGE WINDOW THERE AND POSSIBLY REMOVING ONE OF THE TRIPLE WINDOWS. IT'S UNUSUAL TO HAVE TRIPLE WINDOWS, PROBABLY A DOUBLE WINDOW WITH A WINDOW WITH A LITTLE ONE THAT'S WOULD BALANCE BETTER. IS THERE A PRECEDENT FOR TRIPLE WINDOWS IN, IN WEEKLY PLACE? I'M NOT SURE. IT'S MOSTLY DOUBLE. YEAH, I WOULDN'T THINK A DOUBLE THERE BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF CROWDING THAT, THAT SPACE AND THEN YOU COULD PUT ONE WINDOW WITH A LITTLE WINDOWS WOULD BALANCE BETTER, I BELIEVE. IS THAT IT MS. ANDERSON? I GUESS MR. ANDERSON, ARE YOU DONE? I'M SORRY. IGNORING ME. ALRIGHT. UM, I, I WOULD LIKE A CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF. IF, IF THE TASK FORCE SAID THAT A WINDOW NEXT TO THE DOOR WAS COMMON THERE AND THEY WOULD KNOW BEST AND WE STILL HAVE NOT GAINED AN ADEQUATE UNDERSTANDING MM-HMM . OF THIS AREA, DO YOU SEE A SMALL WINDOW NEXT TO THE FRONT DOOR UNDER THE PORCH A LOT? OR IS IT USUALLY A BIGGER WINDOW? IT'S USUALLY A BIGGER WINDOW. OKAY. SO THIS ONE DOES NOT ACTUALLY REFLECT THE PRECEDENT IN ALL, ALL OF ITS SIZING AND SHAPE DETAILS? NO. OKAY. SO IT SHOULD, OKAY. SO LIKE MR. ANDERSON SAID, MAYBE HAVE ONLY TWO IN THE MAIN PART AND ONE NEXT TO THE DOOR AND THEN WORKS OUT. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? UM, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE WINDOW NEXT TO THE DOOR. SO ORIGINALLY WE DIDN'T HAVE A WINDOW. UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS LIKE A BLUEBIRD SHUTTER, UM, WHEN WE MET WITH DR. DUNN ORIGINALLY, PROBABLY MONTHS AGO AT THIS POINT. UM, AND WE WERE RECOMMENDED OKAY, REMOVE IT COMPLETELY. SO THEN WE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY SAID, NO, WE WOULD LIKE A WINDOW BACK. SO INTERIOR WISE, I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T REALLY LOOK AT THE INTERIOR OF THE, THE PROPERTY HERE, THIS PROJECT. UM, SO THIS AREA IS LIKE A, AN ENTRYWAY. IT'S A, THERE'S A MUD BENCH THERE, THERE'S SOME STORAGE. SO THIS REALLY IS THE LARGEST WINDOW THAT I BELIEVE THEY COULD FIT THERE. UM, SO I THINK WE WOULD ASK, OKAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE SHUTTERS THAT GIVE YOU THE ILLUSION OF THE LARGE WINDOW OR THIS SIZE WINDOW? UM, I'M NOT SURE UNLESS WE ASK THEM TO START REARRANGING THE INTERIOR ABOUT GETTING THAT WINDOW TO REPRESENT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR. YEAH. OKAY. THAT IS A BIT OF AN ADDED STICKINESS. YEAH. . I DON'T THINK WE WANT SHUTTERS COVERING NO WINDOW. THAT TENDS TO BE, THAT'S REALLY FALSE. EXACTLY. SO WE TRY TO AVOID A LOT FALSENESS HERE. SO, UM, SO IF THERE'S NO WAY TO MAKE THE WINDOW KIND OF THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE OTHER WINDOWS ON THE FRONT, THE, THE THREE THAT YOU'VE GOT UP THERE, UM, I ALSO DON'T THINK WE WANT 'EM TO HAVE NO WINDOW THERE. THAT WOULD LOOK A ODD, WOULDN'T IT? SO SOMEBODY HAVE ANY ANSWER TO THIS? YES. 'CAUSE I'M COMING UP WITH NOTHING. YOU SURE KNOW. UH, YOU COULD FLIP THE SEAT TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ENTRY, UM, SO THAT IT FACES THE BACK OF THE BATHROOM AND THEN JUST MOVE THE, EITHER MOVE THE DOORWAY, UM, INTO THE BEDROOM, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY FLIP THAT WHOLE SPACE OR, UM, JUST LEAVE THE, THE SEAT PRE-STANDING WITHOUT A WALL ALL THE WAY AROUND IT AND YOU COULD LEAVE THE DOOR WHERE IT IS. I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY THE QUESTION. SAY WE WOULD PREFER NO INTERIOR CHANGES, . WELL, I'M TRYING TO GET THE, THE, THE EXTERIOR TO LOOK LIKE IT BELONGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND TO ADD, I MEAN THE 2307 WERE MINE. THAT'S, UM, OUR REFERENCE PICTURE HERE. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE FRONT PORTION WITH THE BEDROOM IS LARGER ON WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, BUT THERE, THERE'S NO WINDOW. OKAY. UM, IT'S A, IT'S A BLANK WALL WITH A COLUMN THERE IN THE FRONT DOOR, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED. YEAH. BUT EVEN ON THAT ONE, THE, THE DOOR IS MORE CLOSE [01:15:01] TO THE CENTER OF THE HOME THAN OUT ON THE, THE EXTREME CORNER. UM, SO THAT'S WHY I FELT LIKE IT, I MEAN, AGAIN, IF YOU'RE COMPARING THEM, UH, THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE EACH OTHER IN MY MIND. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. IS THERE ANY PRECEDENT FOR, UH, SIDELIGHTS ON HOMES AND WITH THE PLACE SIDELIGHTS ON THE DOORS? YES. NO. OH, OKAY. I DIDN'T THINK SO. AND 2307 R MINE ACTUALLY HAS, UH, TWO FRONT DOORS. IT'S THOSE THAT KIND OF LOOK LIKE DUPLEXES. YEAH. SIDE BY SIDE. YEAH. OR ONES ON THE, UH, PERPENDICULAR STREET. YEAH. THERE'S ALSO A COUPLE OF DETAILS MISSING. SO FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU DO LOOK AT 2307, REMIND THE, UM, THERE IS A LOT LARGER HEADER THAT GOES ACROSS THE PORCH. UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S, THAT'S MISSING ON THE ELEVATION. UH, ANOTHER THING, AND IT MAYBE IT, THIS WAS JUST OVERLOOKED, BUT, UM, ANY TRIM AROUND THE FRONT DOOR, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MISSING. WE CAN HAVE THEM PUT TRIM. SURE. NICE. THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN ONE THING I'VE SEEN KIND OF COMMON, AND IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T EXIST ON THAT 2307, HOWEVER, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU DO HAVE A, UM, A NINE FOOT PLATE WHERE THE, BASICALLY THAT'S THE HEIGHT OF YOUR CEILING, YOU CAN RAISE THE WINDOWS HIGHER THAN THE, THAN THE FRONT DOOR. UH, THAT IS PRETTY COMMON IN, UH, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND, AND OTHERS, UH, WHERE IT MIGHT BE SEVEN, SIX OR EIGHT FEET TO THE HEAD, UM, IT HELPS FEEL, IT HELPS THE PROPORTION OF THE WINDOW FEEL LIKE IT, IT BELONGS IN THE RIGHT PLACE ON THE ELEVATION. SOMETIMES IT'S ALMOST LIKE HAVING TOO, TOO MUCH FOREHEAD . SO, UH, THAT WOULD HELP. SO RAISING THE WINDOWS TO A HIGHER HEADER HEIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. I NEED A CLARIFICATION. I MAY HAVE MISSED SOMETHING. DID I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CANNOT PUT A, A FULL SIZE WINDOW WHERE THE LITTLE WINDOW IS, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. RAISING THE HEADER HEIGHT MAY HELP THAT. OKAY. UM, I'M NOT CERTAIN, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY THAT WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO CENTER THE DOOR IN THAT SPACE? COULD YOU CENTER THE DOOR ON UNDER IN THAT SPACE? YEAH. IF WE REMOVE THE NICE MUD AREA. I'M SORRY. NO, IT'S NOT . I'M, I'M TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO, I, I UNDERSTAND. GET RID OF THE LITTLE WINDOW AND BALANCE THAT FRONT AREA. IT SEEMS TO BE THAT THE, THE LITTLE BENCH IS THE PROBLEM. IS THAT REALLY KEY? HAVING THE BENCH, IF YOU MOVE THE DOOR OVER, YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE A BENCH, BUT YOU COULD HAVE A COLD, I'M NOT SURE. OR SOMETHING. I'M JUST DOING MY BEST TO REPRESENT THE EXTERIOR HERE. WHAT IS BEHIND THE LITTLE WINDOW? IS THAT A BATHROOM ON THE FAR RIGHT? WELL, THE LITTLE, NO, THE LITTLE WINDOW UNDER NEXT TO THE DOOR. THE MUD AREA FRONT. LIKE A FRONT ENTRY MUD AREA. A MUD ROOM. YES SIR. YEAH, THE FAR RIGHT IS THE ONE THAT IS IN A BATHROOM. UH, AGAIN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. YOU CAN'T DO A FULL, A LARGER WINDOW IN THE MUD ROOM. IF YOU ARE RECOMMENDING US TO, WE WILL MAKE IT HAPPEN. OKAY. I THOUGHT THERE WAS NO WAY YOU COULD DO A FULL-SIZED WINDOW. RIGHT. WE'LL HAVE TO CHANGE WHATEVER IS ON THE INTERIOR OF THE HOME IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. OKAY. UM, WHICH IS NOT OUR PREFERENCE, BUT AT THIS POINT THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE THE ONLY WAY FORWARD. IT SEEMS THE MOST PRACTICAL THING TO DO. SURE. OKAY. I, I WOULD DISAGREE ON PRACTICALITY, BUT I'LL ACCEPT YOUR RECOMMENDATION. WE'LL AVOID THE WORD PRACTICALITY. . THANK YOU. IT WOULD, IT WOULD MAKE THE BUILDING LOOK FAR MORE COMPATIBLE. SURE. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU NEED TO ASK? AND IF NOT, THEN IT'S TIME TO, UM, I WOULD LIKE A CLARIFICATION ON THE THREE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT AS WELL. I THINK IT HIT IS THE GENERAL CONSENT, THAT IT'D BE BETTER TO HAVE PAIRED WINDOWS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT APPEARS MOST IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S JUST TWO WINDOWS. THEY'LL ALSO PERHAPS FIT A LITTLE BIT BETTER IN THE SPACE AROUND THEM THAN THEY THEY CROWDED NOW. GOT IT. THANK YOU. I'M READY FOR A MOTION. ALRIGHT, SIR. IN THE CASE OF CA 2 45 DASH 2 71 RD, WHICH IS 2313 STREET IN WHEATLEY PLACE, I MOVED TO FOLLOW THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE REVISIONS THAT THE TRIPLE WINDOW BE MADE TO DOUBLE GANGED WINDOW AND REPLACE THE SMALL WINDOW ON THE PORCH NEXT TO THE DOOR WITH A WINDOW THAT IS MATCHING THE EXISTING THAT WOULD MATCH THE, ONE OF THE TRIPLE WINDOWS. ONE OF THE DOUBLE [01:20:01] WINDOWS. YEAH. AND I BELIEVE WE WANT TO, WE ALWAYS WANTED TO SAY WHY BASIS OF THIS RULING THAT IT IS MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT. OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THIS? ONE SECOND. THE SECOND IS COMMISSIONER RENO. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, IT'S TIME TO VOTE ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES, YES. AND HE OPPOSED THIS MOTION. ALRIGHT THEN. THERE YOU GO. , THANK YOU SO MUCH AND, UH, I, I'M SURE WE'LL SEE YOU BACK AGAIN. SO . OKAY. AND NEXT, NEXT IS D EIGHT. STEPH. YEAH. UM, THIS IS MICHAEL FLOWERS PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF STAFF, UM, A REQUEST FOR PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER EXPANDING THE EXISTING JUNIOR HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY TO INCORPORATE 700 POLICY AVENUE AT THE RAY WORTH WILLIAMS HOUSE. ALL RIGHT. AND WE HAVE A SPEAKER REGISTER FOR THIS RENEE SMITH. MY NAME IS RENEE SCHMID. I LIVE AT SEVEN 15 MONT. AND I DO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOR AN INITIATION, BUT THANK YOU. . OH, CORRECT IT. UM, THERE WE GO. PLEASE. REINITIATE 700 POLYS FOR INCLUSION IN THE, IN THE JUNIOR HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT. THIS HOUSE WAS DESIGNED BY DAVID WILLIAMS, THE SO-CALLED FATHER OF SOUTHWEST REGIONAL ARCHITECTURE. WILLIAMS WAS INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING AN INTEREST ARCHITECTURE THAT REFLECTED HERITAGE AND GEOGRAPHY WITH ITS SPANISH INFLUENCE DESIGN. THIS HOME BUILT IN 1926 DOCUMENTS WILLIAMS' JOURNEY TOWARDS HIS DREAM OF A TEXAS INDIGENOUS HOUSE. RALPH BRYAN. IN AN ARTICLE WRITTEN FOR THE A I A IN 1931, PRAISED THE HOUSE AS HAVING QUOTE, A LIVABLE PLAN, A WELL PROPORTIONED MASS, A HARMONY OF TEXTURE AND COLOR, AND A PROPER FITTING TO ITS SIGHT. DAVID WILLIAMS, WITH HIS INTEREST IN TEXAS ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY, SPEARHEADED THE MOVEMENT TO RESTORE LA VITA IN SAN ANTONIO IN THE 1930S. HE ALSO DESIGNED GREENWAY PARKS AND LOMA LINDA IN THE PARK CITIES AREA IN DALLAS. DAVID WILLIAMS GREW UP IN CHILDRESS, TEXAS. AT THAT TIME, JOHN LOMAX WAS ON A MISSION TO RECORD FOLK SONGS OF TEXAS. WHILE HE WAS RECORDING SONGS OF THE COWBOYS, HE STAYED WITH THE WILLIAMS FAMILY. EVENTUALLY, LOMAX PUBLISHED ANTHOLOGIES OF AMERICAN FOLK MUSIC, INCLUDING RECORDINGS OF LEAD BELLY. AN AFRICAN AMERICAN BLUE SINGER WHO ONCE ROAMED THE STREETS OF DEBELL WILLIAMS REMAINED CLOSE TO LOMAX UNTIL LOMAX, WHO'S DEATH IN 1948. BOTH WERE SEARCHING FOR EXPRESSIONS OF INDIGENOUS ART, ONE IN ARCHITECTURE, THE OTHER IN MUSIC. WILLIAMS' HOUSE ON PAUSE IS FROZEN MUSIC AND SHOULD BE PRESERVED. PLEASE CONSIDER REINITIATION REINITIATING THIS PROJECT AND ALLOWING IT TO BECOME PART OF THE JUNIOR HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND WE ALSO HAVE, UH, MARCEL QUIMBEE AND NOEL TON HERE. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M HERE TO SUPPORT MY, MY NAME IS MARCEL QUIMBEE, UH, MEMBER OF THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE AND I'M HERE TO SUPPORT AND JUNIORS HEIGHTS. AND ANY QUESTIONS? YOU MIGHT. THANK YOU MR. TON. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M NOEL TON. I RESIDE AT 61 11 WORTH STREET. I'M THE CURRENT, UH, PRESIDENT OF JUNIOR HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT GOING ON MY FOURTH YEAR ON FOURTH TERM. AND I'M HERE WITH, UH, MARCEL AND RENEE IN SUPPORT OF THIS REINITIATION. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. AND, UM, I THINK WE'VE ALL HEARD ABOUT THE OBVIOUS HISTORIC IMPORTANCE AND ARCHITECTURAL IMPORTANCE OF THIS, THIS HOUSE. AND IT HAS ALREADY BEEN INITIATED [01:25:01] ONCE, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE REINITIATED SO THAT THE WORK ON IT CAN BE COMPLETED. COMMISSIONER REEDS, WHY DID YOU NOT WANT IT TO BE AN INDIVIDUAL HISTORIC SITE? UH, THAT WAS THE OWNER'S POSITION AND THE OWNER IS NOT HERE. OKAY. BUT AS I POINTED OUT EARLIER, THERE IS ANOTHER HOUSE THAT WAS ALSO JOINED TO TWO JUNIOR SITES SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT IS NOT EXACTLY LIKE THE OTHER HOUSES IN JUNIOR SITES, BUT IT WAS STILL WELCOMED INTO THE FAMILY. AND WE HAVE NOT HAD DIFFICULTIES WITH THAT. THERE CAN BE DIFFERENT CRITERIA FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSES IN A DISTRICT. COMMISSIONER PREZI, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION. YOU DO THAT. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. IN THE, WELL, I GUESS IT'S ON THAT THERE'S, THERE'S NO CASE NUMBERS. NO. IN THE MATTER OF ADDRESS. 700 WALLACE AVENUE, UH, THE RAY WORTH WILLIAMS HOUSE. I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MOVE, UH, THAT WE INITIATE THE EXPANSION OF, OF THE JUNIOR HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY TO INCORPORATE 700 P AVENUE SECOND, AND THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER RES. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. IF NOT, THEN, UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT THEN. IT HAS BEEN REINITIATED AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE WORKING ON IT IN THE, UM, DESIGNATION COMMITTEE, AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL SOON RETURN TO LANDMARK FOR ITS FINAL VOTE. ALRIGHT, NEXT UP. CR ONE. OKAY, THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF COURTESY REVIEW ITEM ONE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 36 0 8 LATIMER STREET. IT'S IN QUEEN CITY, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER PRE-DESIGN MORATORIUM. THE CASE NUMBER IS CR 2 45 DASH ZERO ONE RD. THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW OF NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH A ONE CAR DETACHED GARAGE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION. SINCE THIS IS COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED. SO THE STATEMENT IS THAT A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH A ONE CAR DETACHED GARAGE BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW. TASK FORCE FEEDBACK. OH, TASK FORCE COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS, OBSERVE AND REPLICATE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS OF NEIGHBORING HOUSES. EG EVES AND OVERHANGS, TRIM AND PORCH DETAILS. ALRIGHT. AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE, UH, SPEAKER FROM THIS. I DO NOT HAVE THE NAME, HOWEVER, THE SPEAKER, UH, THE NAME I HAVE IS ALI OF ALI. KIMBERLY ALI. WELL, WE'LL ASK HER AS SOON AS WE . YES. OKAY. HELLO? OKAY. HI. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? UM, UH, COULD YOU, UH, CAN WE SEE YOU TOO? WE NEED YOU TO HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON. IT IS A STATE LAW THAT IN ORDER TO SPEAK IN A PUBLIC MEETING LIKE THIS, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE YOU. I'M NOT SURE HOW TO TURN MY CAMERA ON FROM THE SCREEN. IT DOESN'T GIVE ME AN OPTION. IT JUST HAS A MIC FOR MUTING. THAT'S IT. ANYBODY HAVE AN IDEA? 'CAUSE I SURE DON'T KNOW. NO, SIR. A COURTESY REVIEW. MAYBE WE CAN, UH, PASSPORT QUICK. WE'RE GONNA ASK OUR CITY ATTORNEY IF THERE, WE CAN LET YOU BE ON SCENE TODAY. OKAY. YEAH. IT'S GIVING ME NO OPTION TO TURN MY CAMERA ON AT ALL. SHE CAN. SHE JUST, UH, WE HAVE, WE'RE TRYING TO DETERMINE TO OUR ATTORNEY WHETHER IN ORDER TO SPEAK, WE WERE REQUIRED TO SEE HER ON THIS SINCE IT IS ONLY A COURTESY REVIEW, NOT A MATTER OF DECISION MAKING. AND OUR ATTORNEY SEEMS TO HAVE LEFT. NO, HE'S, HE'S, HE'S, HE'S THERE. HE'S, OH, HE'S, HE'S BENT DOWN. OKAY. . I'M SO SORRY MA'AM. IT'S A BIT CONFUSING HERE TODAY WE'LL HAVE AN ANSWER IN A SECOND TO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MOVE FORWARD. OKAY. MADAM CHAIR, PER THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS, I CAN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE. THEY DO NEED TO HAVE THEIR CAMERA ON. SO, [01:30:01] SO EVEN THOUGH IT IS A COURTESY REVIEW, THEY STILL NEED TO HAVE THEIR NEED TO HAVE BOTH AUDIO AND VISUAL FOR THEM TO PARTICIPATE. OKAY. SO SHE CAN, IF WE CANNOT SEE HER, SHE CAN ONLY LISTEN TO US. THAT'S CORRECT. SHE CAN'T PARTICIPATE BY SPEAKING. WELL, THAT IS UNFORTUNATE. ALRIGHT, WELL, WE WILL DO OUR BEST, MA'AM. , THANK YOU TO, UM, DISCUSS THE YES, SIR. WE'RE ADRIAN, IS THERE SOMETHING YOU COULD DO TO HELP HER GET HER CAMERA ON? YEAH, OCCASIONALLY A COMPUTER DOESN'T HAVE A CAMERA. I GUESS ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE USING A LAPTOP IN A SEPARATE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S CLOSED AND YOU'VE GOT A SEPARATE SCREEN. SO, UM, IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO WORK OUT THE CAMERA PART, MA'AM, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO TRY TO DISCUSS THINGS AND, UM, YOU GET TO LISTEN. OKAY. UNDERSTAND. OKAY. THANK YOU. OR MIGHT YOU HAVE A PHONE YOU CAN GO ON INSTEAD OF YOUR COMPUTER? I COULD PROBABLY DO THAT. OKAY. LET ME, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, ACTUALLY. LET ME TRY TO DO THAT. I HAVE OKAY. YOU TRY THAT. I HAVE A CAMERA ON MY COMPUTER. I, IT'S JUST NOT, I JUST DON'T HAVE THE OPTION ON THE WEBEX SCREEN TO TURN IT ON. OKAY. YEAH. WEBEX IS DIFFERENT THAN ALL THE ONES THAT WORK BETTER THAT WE ACTUALLY ARE ACCUSTOMED TO USING, UNFORTUNATELY. OKAY. I AM JOINING FROM MY PHONE, WHICH I HAVE TO DOWNLOAD WEBEX. SORRY. IF YOU WANNA START ON YOUR END UNTIL I'M ABLE TO GET THE CAMERA ON, IT'S UP TO YOU. OKAY. UH, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO SHARE? COMMISSIONER PERI? I DO ON THE, UH, FRONT ELEVATION, THE DOUBLE GANG WINDOW ON THE LEFT SIDE DOES NOT LINE UP WITH THE DOOR AND WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT SIDE. SO THAT NEEDS TO, IT'S LOWER, IT'S TOO LOW. THAT NEEDS TO BE, THAT NEEDS TO BE MOVED UP. SO IT'S ON THE SAME, SAME LINE. MM-HMM . OKAY. YEAH. AND DR. DUNN IS TAKING NOTES ON THIS ALSO IN CASE. MA'AM, YOU, YOU MISS ANYTHING? ARE YOU DONE? ARE YOU DONE COMMISSIONER PER YES. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I, WE MAY MENTION THIS EARLIER, BUT IT ALSO NEEDS A, A LARGER, UM, FACE BOARD AT THE COLUMNS. IT'S, IT'S REALLY QUITE SLIGHT. AND I BELIEVE THIS IS ALSO THE ONE THAT NEEDED MORE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE TOWARD THE FRONT. IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT THE NO TO THE ONE? WELL, I, THIS IS C ONE. CAN YOU, CAN YOU LOOK AT THE SIDE SHOW ON THE SIDE? I MAY, I MAY HAVE MADE A MISTAKE, BUT I HAVE A NOTE. CAN YOU SHOW THE SIDE ELEVATIONS PLEASE? MAYBE. UNDERSTOOD. BUT ON SIDE, THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANY WINDOWS AT THE VERY FRONT. OH, AT THE VERY FRONT. I THINK AT THE VERY FRONT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE WINDOW. 'CAUSE THERE ARE SOME SPACES THAT'S POSSIBLE TO DO WITH YOUR INTERIOR. I'M NOT SURE, BUT I JUST NOTICED THAT IT'S, THERE'S A LARGE BLANK SPACE AT THE FRONT ON BOTH SIDES. WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO? DR. DUNN. [01:35:08] ALL RIGHT. SO EQUIPMENT ISSUES IN OUR COMPUTER ISSUES ALONG WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. OKAY. STAFF, ANY IMPORTANT THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO SAY ABOUT THIS DESIGN? REMEMBER, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE HELPING HER, SO IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA THAT'D MAKE IT BETTER. SO WE LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT IT. THE COLUMNS ARE VERY NICE. I LIKE THE COLUMNS. . OKAY. OKAY. I'M HERE. OKAY, WE CAN SEE YOU, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. SO, SO FAR WE HAVE, UM, ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE, DISCUSS FOR ONE THING THAT WHY AREN'T THERE ANY WINDOWS TOWARDS THE FRONT? ON THE SIDES? IT'S, IT'S JUST COMMON IN OLDER HOUSES TO HAVE WINDOWS. SO IT LOOKS A LITTLE ODD WHEN A NEW HOUSE DOESN'T HAVE ANY WINDOWS TOWARDS THE FRONT. I'M NOT SURE. UM, MS. ALI, ARE YOU HEARING ME? I CAN HEAR YOU. CAN YOU SEE AND HEAR ME? YEAH, YOU'RE ON NOW. OKAY. SO WE CAN DISCUSS. OKAY. SO I WAS WONDERING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ONE COMMENT THAT ON BOTH SIDES NEAR THE FRONT, THERE ARE NO WINDOWS. IT'S A BIG BLANK WALL. IS THERE ANY WAY TO ADD WINDOWS THAT WOULD MAKE IT MORE LIKE THE REST OF THE HOUSES IN THE FRONT AND THE FRONT ON THE SIDES? ON EACH SIDE OF THE HOUSE? NEAR THE FRONT, YOU'VE GOT LIKE A WHOLE ROOM THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE 10 FEET OR SOMETHING WITH NO WINDOW IN IT. UM, YOU CAN PROBABLY TRY AND ADD WINDOWS. OKAY. OKAY. SO IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO ADD SOMETHING THERE? IT WOULD BE ADVISABLE. OKAY. IN THE FRONT. UM, OKAY. ON THE FRONT LEFT AND RIGHT. BOTH. YEAH, IT'S BOTH KIND OF BLANK RIGHT THERE. OKAY, WE CAN DO THAT. YES. COMMISSIONER RENO. UM, SO I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE SOT CONDITION BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT ELEVATION, IT SHOWS A NUMBER OF DENTALS FOR THE LACK OF A BETTER TERM. 'CAUSE IT, THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY THAT, BUT I COULDN'T TELL IF THOSE WERE ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO BE RAFTER TAILS. YES. OKAY. SO THEY DON'T SHOW UP ON THE, ON THE FRONT ELEVATION THOUGH. 'CAUSE ON THE FRONT ELEVATION IT SHOWS THAT THE SOFFIT IS CLOSED. UM, SO YOU WOULD BASICALLY JUST SEE A RAFTER COMING DOWN. THERE WOULDN'T BE A BOX AT THE BOTTOM OF IT, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S LIKE TURNED, UH, 90 DEGREES TO CLOSE OFF THE, THE SLOPED ANGLE. UHHUH , IT WOULD JUST BE THE RAPTOR RUNNING DOWN. UM, UH, JUST WANTED TO SUGGEST THAT ON THE FRONT ELEVATION. UM, LET'S SEE. SO I, OKAY, THERE'S A NUMBER , UH, OF JUST BASICALLY DRAWING INCONSISTENCIES. UM, I KNOW YOU'RE SHOWING MOST OF THE, THE DIMENSIONS OF THE WINDOWS AND THEIR HEIGHTS, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE ACTUALLY A LOT LARGER THAN WHAT THEY'RE DRAWN. THEY'RE SHOWN AS, OH NO, I DON'T. IS THAT 30 INCHES BY 60 INCHES OR IS THAT THREE FEET BY SIX FEET? THREE FEET BY SIX FEET. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. UM, BE SURE AND ADD TRIM AROUND ALL OF THOSE WINDOWS TOO. IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S JUST THE FRAME OF THE WINDOW WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, UM, LIKE AT LEAST A FOUR INCH PIECE OF TRIM. GENERALLY THE HEAD HAS A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THAT. UM, AND EVEN A PIECE OF CROWN MOLDING AT THE TOP OF THAT, THAT CAN BE, UH, OMITTED. UM, OKAY. IS THAT FOR ALL WINDOWS ON THE SIDE AND THE REAR, IF THERE ARE ANY ON THE REAR? YEAH. AT LEAST A FOUR INCH PIECE OF TRIM, UH, TO CLOSE THAT UP AGAINST THE, THE SIDING. OKAY. UM, LET'S SEE. YOU MIGHT ALSO CONSIDER BRACKETS. 'CAUSE WHEN THE, THE RAFTER IS SITTING THAT FRONT, VERY FRONT RAFTER ON THE, ON THE GABLE ON THE FRONT OF THE HOME. UM, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING SUPPORTING IT, IT'S REALLY THE ROOF DECK THAT'S THAT. SO IT'S JUST KIND OF HANGING OUT THERE. IF YOU PUT A, UH, THREE BRACKETS UNDERNEATH IT, OR AT LEAST TWO BRACKETS, THEN AGAIN THAT, THAT'S, UH, MORE IN, UM, IN THE FAMILY OF, UH, UH, THESE CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOW STYLE. OKAY. UM, I NOTICED ON THE, THE, ON THE COLUMNS THEMSELVES, ON THE FRONT PORCH, UH, YOU'RE SHOWING A CAPITAL OR A A BASICALLY WHERE THE BRICK TRANSITIONS TO WOOD UP ABOVE THAT. USUALLY THAT'S A PIECE OF, OF CONCRETE, UH, EITHER CAST STONE OR CONCRETE RATHER THAN, THAN SEEING A, A BRICK LAYING [01:40:01] ON ITS SIDE. UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY MORE DIFFICULT TO MAKE IT OUT OF BRICK THAN IT IS OUT OF A LITTLE PIECE OF CAST CONCRETE. OKAY. I GOT A LONG LIST, SO HOLD ON. SORRY. . UM, I HAD A LOT OF ENERGY AT THIS POINT. UM, YEAH, THERE'S AN EXAMPLE AT 35 0 1 POND DRUM. UM, THAT'S A, UM, WHERE YOU CAN FIND A FEW MORE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS OFF OF THAT ADDRESS. OKAY. UM, THE STEPS WERE MISLABELED, AND AGAIN, THIS MIGHT JUST BE A TYPO, BUT YOU HAD, UM, TREADS OF SIX INCHES. THOSE ARE KIND OF SHORT. YOU'RE GONNA FALL FORWARD ON THOSE. USUALLY THE RISER IS SIX INCHES AND THE TREAD IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10 AND 12 INCHES. AND THERE IS A, YOU HAVE A GUARDRAIL ON THE FRONT BETWEEN THE TWO COLUMNS, BUT THERE'S NOT ONE ON THE SIDE. SO EITHER YOU COULD EMIT BOTH OF THEM OR ADD THE ONE ON THE SIDE. OKAY. OH, AND THEN, OKAY, SO I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT FROM THE, FROM THE SLAB ELEVATION, AND AGAIN, THIS IS MORE OF A CONSTRUCTION THING THAN, THAN ANYTHING ELSE, BUT, UH, YOUR PORCH IS AT THE SAME ELEVATION AS THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE. YOU DON'T WANT DRIVING RAIN TO GO STRAIGHT IN. SO USUALLY THAT'S DROPPED AN INCH AND A HALF ON THE FRONT AND THE BACK PORCH. COULD YOU REPEAT FIRST PART ONE MORE TIME? I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT ONE MORE TIME FOR ME? YEAH, SO THE, THE FOUNDATION OF THE FRONT PORCH AND THE BACK PORCH SHOULD BE AN INCH AND A HALF LOWER THAN THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE, INSTEAD OF THE SAME ELEVATION. UM, ON THE SIDE OF THE HOME, YOU'RE SHOWING VINYL WINDOWS FOR THE, FOR THE FRAME. AND THEN ON THE, WE CHANGED THAT. THAT'S PROBABLY AN ERROR ON THE PLANS. OKAY. OKAY, GREAT. UM, AND THEN I WAS WONDERING WHAT THE GABLE, UM, VENT MATERIAL, WHAT THAT VENT IS MADE OUT OF. IT LOOKS LIKE THE PHOTOGRAPH MIGHT BE A PLASTIC ONE. THAT MIGHT BE, YEAH. YEAH. UM, YOU COULD FIND A WOODEN ONE AND ACTUALLY CHANGE THE PROPORTION INSTEAD OF A SQUARE TO EITHER A, A HORIZONTAL, UH, RECTANGLE OR A VERTICAL RECTANGLE. OKAY. UM, THAT FITS MORE IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. OKAY. UM, AND THEN ON YOUR PAINT COLORS, YOU HAD MENTIONED, SO THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT PAINT COLORS IN THE CHIPS, BUT THEN THERE'S ONLY TWO LABELS OF THE, OF THE PAINT COLORS. I THINK WE ONLY HAD TWO. WE HAD THE WHITE CENT AS THE TRIM. UM, OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE TO BE THE MAIN COLOR. SO YOU'RE DROPPING THE DARK ONE, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE, IF THERE'S ANYTHING COMMISSIONER OR NO MISSED? NOT THAT IT'S LIKELY, BUT IF HE DID, OKAY, MA'AM. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AN ARCHITECT OR A CONTRACTOR OR SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS ALL THE TERMS HE WAS USING. IF YOU'RE NOT, UH, THE STAFF WILL HELP YOU AND THEY COULD PROBABLY, THERE, THERE'S A GREAT BOOK WRITTEN BY A LOCAL LADY NAMED VIRGINIA MCALLISTER, WHICH HAS ILLUSTRATIONS OF SOME OF THESE TERMS THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE PROBABLY HAVE SCANS OF THAT TO SHOW WHERE BRACKETS MIGHT GO AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY EASY ONCE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE WAY IT'S ALWAYS BEEN DONE BEFORE , BECAUSE THERE'S SOME STANDARDS. ALL RIGHT, IF THERE IS NOTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE, WE COULD MOVE ON TO COURTESY REVIEW TWO. IT IS NOT ON. OKAY. DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF COURTESY REVIEW ITEM CR TWO, OUR NUMBER TWO, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 36 14 LATIMER STREET. UH, IT'S WITHIN THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER PRE DESIGNATION MORATORIUM. THE CASE NUMBER IS CR 2 45 DASH 12 RD. THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON, ON A VACANT LOT WITH A ONE CAR DETACHED GARAGE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION, SINCE THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED. THE STATEMENT IS THAT A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH A ONE CAR DETACHED GARAGE BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW. TASK FORCE FEEDBACK, COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY [01:45:01] SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS OBSERVED IN REPLICATE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS OF NEIGHBORING HOUSES, THE YEVES AND OVERHANGS TRIM, AS WELL AS NEARBY PORTICO AND STOOP DESIGN. OKAY. I, I SUSPECT SOME OF THE COMMENTS WILL OVERLAP THE PREVIOUS ONES, SUCH AS THE WRAPPER TAILS AND HOW TO ADDRESS 'EM IN FRONT AND THE BRACKETS AND THE, UM, TASK CONCRETE TRANSITION PIECE ON TOP OF THE BRICKS OF THE COLUMNS. UM, AND WHAT ELSE? COMMISSIONER RENE . UM, HERE, I THINK WE HAD MENTIONED THIS ON THE LAST ONE AS WELL, BUT THAT THE HEADERS OF THE WINDOWS BE AT, UH, EITHER SIX, EIGHT OR SEVEN FEET, SEVEN FEET'S KIND OF NORMAL, UH, HERE, AT LEAST ON THE FRONT ELEVATION, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE DROPPED. THEY MIGHT JUST BE A, A DRAWING ERROR. UM, ALSO, I WAS WONDERING THE WIDTH OF THE PORCH STEPS, IF THEY IN FACT GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FRONT PORCH. THE WAY, WELL, THE WAY YOU'RE SHOWING IT, THERE'RE SHORTER THAN THE WIDTH OF THE PORCH, WHICH IS OKAY. IT'S JUST THE DRAWING WAS KIND OF ODD. IT LOOKS LIKE THE COLUMNS ARE SORT OF SITTING OUT BY THEMSELVES AND THE PORCH DOESN'T GO AS FAR TO CAPTURE THEM, BUT ON THE PLAN IT SHOWS THAT WAY. IS THERE A RECOMMENDATION FOR HOW THEY NEED TO WELL, IT'S JUST AN INCONSISTENCY IN THE DRAWING. UH, JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND WHICH ONE IT IS. WHICH ONE YOU MEAN THE PLANT, IF THE PLANT IS CORRECT OR THE FRONT ELEVATION IS CORRECT, I'M GONNA GO WITH THE PLAN AND NOT THE ELEVATION. YEAH. WELL, SO I THINK THE PLAN SHOWS THAT THE PORCH IS ENGAGED WITH THE COLUMNS, WHICH IS GREAT. THAT'S THE WAY IT OUGHT TO BE. AND THE STEPS CAN BE SMALLER, YOU KNOW, THAT DON'T GO ALL THE WAY TO THE PORCH, SO, SO THAT PART'S OKAY TOO. OKAY. UM, YOU ALSO MENTIONED A SEVEN INCH TREAD THERE, WHICH IS AGAIN, TOO A LITTLE SHORT. UM, YEAH, OTHERWISE IT'S A VERY SIMILAR COMMENTS THAT TO THE LAST ONE. OKAY. ONE THING, UH, SO I KIND OF WANTED TO ASK A FEW OTHER FOLKS ON THE, UM, ON THE COMMISSION WHAT THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS, BUT NORMALLY THE FRONT DOOR IS IN THE SAME PLANE AS THE MAIN PIECE OF THE HOUSE, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE IT'S RECESSED UNDERNEATH THE PORCH. JUST WONDERING IF ANYBODY ELSE IS HAVING ANY HEARTBURN ABOUT THAT OR NOT. IF IT'S JUST ME, THAT IS A BIT UNUSUAL. AND IS THERE A REASON WHY THAT, WHY THE WALL THAT HAS THE FRONT DOOR AND IT IS RECESSED FROM THE WALLS NEXT TO IT FURTHER BACK? I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE IF THERE ISN'T A GOOD REASON, MAYBE IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE. YEAH. IT'S MORE COMMON, UH, WHEN IT'S AN ATTACHED PORCH LIKE THAT, THAT THE DOOR IS IN THE SAME PLANE AS THE WALLS TO THE EITHER SIDE WHERE THE, THE BEDROOM AND LIVING ROOM I THINK ARE SO THAT CAN, THAT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SIMPLIFIED. OKAY. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I NOTICED THAT ON THE FRONTAL SIDE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE LIGHT, UH, WINDOWS, LIKE A THREE OVER ONE. ARE THOSE MULAN EXPRESSED ON THE OUTSIDE OR ARE THEY BETWEEN THE GLASS? CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? I'M SORRY. YOU, YOU GO, YOU HAVE THREE OVER ONE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE. ARE THOSE, UH, MULLINS, THE DIVISIONS, ARE THEY EXPRESSED ON THE OUTSIDE? ARE THEY ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE GLASS? ARE THEY BETWEEN THE GLASS? THEY'RE BETWEEN THE GLASS. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEND MONEY TO DO THAT, JUST MAKE THEM ALL ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS, BECAUSE WE DON'T ALLOW WINDOWS WITH THE MILLIONS BETWEEN THE GLASS. SO YOU HAVE AN OPTION OF EITHER GETTING WINDOWS THAT HAVE THE MILLIONS EXPRESSED ON THE OUTSIDE. THEY CAN BE TRUE, TRUE DIVIDED, OR THEY CAN SOMETIMES BE APPLIED TO THE WINDOW, OR I WOULD RECOMMEND JUST GOING WITH ONE OF ONE WINDOWS INSTEAD OF THE ARTIFICIAL VOLUMES. OKAY. ANY FURTHER SUGGESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? WELL, ALRIGHT THEN LET ME COMPLIMENT YOU MA'AM, ON THESE ARE, THESE ARE REALLY A VERY GOOD START AND YOU KNOW, WE JUST FOUND SMALL THINGS TO, TO DEAL WITH ON THEM, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BE LOVELY HOUSES IN THE END WHEN YOU FINISH THEM ALL. I'M EXCITED FOR THESE. THANK YOU. YOU'RE GONNA DO WELL. SO WE WILL SEE YOU COMING BACK WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR FINAL PLANS SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THEM, OKAY? OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, NOW WE ARE READY FOR D THREE. OKAY. D THREE. YES. I WAS RIGHT THIS TIME. . OKAY. DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF. DISCUSSION ITEM [01:50:01] D THREE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 27 0 6 LYNNWAY STREET. IT'S IN THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER PRE DESIGNATION MORATORIUM. THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 4 5 DASH 2 74 RD. THE REQUEST IS FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A PRE-DESIGN CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT, BE AN APPROVED, BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 1 27 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE THAT A FACIA OR FREEZE BOARD BE ADDED TO ALL ELEVATIONS INCLUDING ABOVE THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS. MINIMUM HEIGHT EIGHT INCHES, PREFERABLY CEDAR TWO THAT EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS ARE TO BE EXPRESSED AT ROOF OVERHANGS. THREE, THAT A RECTANGULAR LOUVRE VENT BE INSTALLED AT TOP OF FRONT GABLE WALL. AND FOUR, THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE OF BRUSH FINISHED. CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION D FIVE B FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION. NO QUORUM COMMENTS. ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENT, OBSERVE AND REPLICATE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS OF NEIGHBORING HOUSES, THE EASE AND OVERHANGS, TRIM AND PORCH DETAILS. NO, THEY'RE HERE. UM, YES, MY NAME IS ABDI KRUM. MY CURRENT ADDRESS IS 8 2 0 TOPAZ DRIVE, MCKINNEY, TEXAS, UH, 7 5 0 7 1. UH, I SWEAR THAT I WILL TELL THE TRUTH. . UM, YES. UM, WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. UM, MY DAD PURCHASED THIS LAND FROM A LADY THAT NEEDED, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WERE IN DISTRESS AND HE PURCHASED THE LAND. AND EVER SINCE THEN WE'VE BEEN MAINTAINING THE LOT. I'VE VISITED A LOT OVER THE COURSE OF MANY YEARS AND I HAVE SEEN, UH, THE VIBRANT COMMUNITY THAT IS IN QUEEN CITY AND I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT DEVELOPING THIS SPOT. UM, AS THE YEARS WENT BY, UH, WE ALSO DEVELOPED A VERY, VERY NICE WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH MR. LIVINGSTON. AND WE CAME TOGETHER AND CAME UP WITH A PLAN TO BUILD A VERY NICE HOUSE THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, REALLY UPLIFT THE LIFE OF SOMEBODY WHO COMES TO LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE SOUTH. UM, WITH, WITH THIS IN MIND THAT WE ARE INTERESTED IN UPLIFTING, YOU KNOW, BEING A, AN UPLIFTING PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WE HAVE STRIVED TO COMPLY WITH, UM, WITH THE, THE CLEAN CITY OBJECTIVES, UH, DESIGN PARAMETERS THAT THE CITY HAS SET. AND, YOU KNOW, WE ARE HERE FOR I THINK THE SEVENTH OR EIGHTH TIME . UM, AND WE BELIEVE THAT, WELL, THE LANDMARK COMMISSION SECONDARY OKAY, SORRY, . OKAY. BUT, UH, WE HAVE REVIS REVISED THE PLANS MANY TIMES, UM, AND WE BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE FINALLY AT A PLACE WHERE, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING KIND OF ALIGNS. AND, UM, SO THE FASCIA BOARD, THE, UM, HOPEFULLY THE, THE PARKING SPACE, UM, THE WINDOWS, ALL OF THAT WE BELIEVE IS, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE HOPE THAT IT WILL PASS, UM, THE COMMISSION TO THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. AND, UM, MR. LIVINGSTON, WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH AS WELL. GOOD EVENING. AGAIN, MY NAME IS NOEL LIVINGSTON, ADDRESS 9 0 9 CHELSEA DRIVE, MESQUITE, TEXAS 7 5 1 4 9. AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. ALRIGHT, WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THIS PROJECT OTHER THAN WE'VE SEEN YOU A MILLION TIMES, APPARENTLY YOU'RE FEELING , BUT ONCE I'M SPEECHLESS, BUT, UM, [01:55:01] YES. UH, FOR AS FAR AS THE REVISIONS GOES, UH, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE TEAMED UP WITH DR. DUNN CONTINUOUSLY FOR THE LAST SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS. AND SHE HAS BROUGHT THIS, OF COURSE, TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION FOR YOUR REVIEW. UM, WE TOOK ALL, ALL OF THESE SUGGESTIONS INTO CONSIDERATION AND BROUGHT THEM BACK UNDER A REVISION. UH, I THINK HE MENTIONED MOST OF THE REVISIONS. UH, IF, UH, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER, I I DON'T THINK I COULD ADD MUCH MORE TO WHAT HE'S ALREADY SAID AND WHAT I SAID LAST TIME. UH, AND THAT, THAT'S MY WIFE, THAT'S WHO, THAT'S THE OTHER PART OF WHO'S HELPING US, UH, GET THIS STRUCTURE UP. BUT I, UH, I'M, I'M OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PANEL. ALL RIGHTY THEN. IS THE COMMISSIONER'S TURN WHO HAS QUESTIONS? I'M LOOKING TO THE LEFT 'CAUSE SOMETIMES I DON'T GET ANY QUESTIONS. FINE. COMMISSIONER RENO, I CAN ALWAYS DEPEND UPON YOU. THANK YOU. UM, ON THE, ON THE SOFFIT IN PARTICULAR, UM, 'CAUSE I, I WAS TRYING TO UH, FIGURE OUT IF THAT'S A CLOSED SOFFIT OR IF YOU INTENDED THERE TO BE, UM, EXPOSED RAFTERS ON IT. IN ENCLOSED. THEY'RE ENCLOSED. OKAY. OKAY. THAT SOLVES MOST OF THE, UH, MOST OF THE ISSUES I HAD THERE. UM, THAT WAS REALLY IT FOR ME. AND COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, UH, COULD YOU SHOW US A SIDE FACADE PLEASE? YEAH, I HAD A NOTE THAT WE NEEDED TO ADD SOME MORE WINDOWS TO THE SIDE. FACADES TOWARD THE FRONT. YES, SIR. THAT'S WOULD BE THE JACK AND JILL BEDROOM. UH, THAT'S THE, THIS SIDE WITH NO WINDOWS. YOU HAVE A WINDOW AT THE PORCH THAT TAKES CARE OF ONE BEDROOM, THREE, AND THEN YOU HAVE A WINDOW AT THE PATIO, WHICH TAKE CARE OF BEDROOM TWO. IN BETWEEN THAT YOU HAVE THE JACK AND JILL BATHROOM. I WAS HOPING THAT TOWARD THE FRONT WE COULD ADD AT LEAST TWO WINDOWS 'CAUSE THERE'S SOME BIG WINDOWS, WALLS AND THAT'S GONNA BE VERY NOTICEABLE FROM THE STREET. YES. SO BEDROOM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING FOR, UH, ANOTHER WINDOW TO BE ADDED TO BEDROOM TWO AND THREE, AT LEAST ONE OR TWO WINDOWS. WE HAVE A, A VERY LARGE WINDOWLESS WALLS AND I THINK TOWARD THE FRONT WE NEED TO HAVE TWO WINDOWS ON EACH SIDE FOR SIDE FOR SUN. OKAY. THE BED, THE BED WALL TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, THE BED WALL WITH NO WINDOWS LEAVES THE TV WALL TOWARDS THE MIDDLE OF THE HOUSE. YOUR BATHROOM WALL IS TO YOUR RIGHT. SO I'M SPEAKING, I'M SITTING IN BEDROOM THREE RIGHT NOW NEAR THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. SO, UM, ADDING A WINDOW, YOU'RE BASICALLY ADDING A WINDOW TO THE BED, TO THE HEADBOARD BED. OLD HOUSES HAVE A LOT MORE WINDOWS THAN, THAN THE SHOWS. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. I YEAH. UM, I HAVE A SUGGESTION ON WHERE THAT SURE WINDOW MAY BE PLACED. SURE. MAYBE IT'S A LOT CLOSER TO THE, UM, TO THE CLOSET SO THAT YOU COULD STILL HAVE ROOM FOR THE BED TO THE SIDE OF THAT INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROOM. OKAY. YEAH. UM, WOULD YOU SUGGEST THE, THE, THE SAME SIZE WINDOW OR THAT'S YEAH. TO KEEP IT SYMMETRICAL? YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE FINE. AND THAT WOULD BE ONE, TWO BEDROOM TWO AND ONE TWO BEDROOM THREE NEAR THE CLOSET IN BOTH ROOMS OR BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE FOOT OR ONE IN THE BEDROOM AND THE ONE IN THE GAME ROOM. 'CAUSE THE GAME ROOM, THAT WHOLE EL THAT LEFT ELEVATION WITH THE ONE WINDOW. YES. I THINK ADDING ONE MORE IN SOMEWHERE IN THE GAME ROOM. SURE. SO INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT IN THAT THE BACK BEDROOM, YOU COULD TAKE THAT AND JUST PUT IT ON. YES SIR. THE LEFT ELEVATION. YES SIR. I RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER REEVES, [02:00:01] WHAT ABOUT PUTTING A WINDOW OF THE BED OF THE BATHTUB WITH FROSTED GLASS? IS THAT APPROVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? WHAT'S THE QUESTION SHE'S ASKING ABOUT? ON THE SIDE WHERE WE HAVE THE TWO BEDROOMS THAT SHARE THE BATHROOM, COULD WE PUT A WINDOW ABOVE THE BATHTUB, WHICH THEN WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, UM, GLASS THAT OBSCURES VIEWING FOR PROBABLY REASONS WE COULD, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT WE COULD, I MEAN, RATHER THAN SCREWING UP THE WALLS FOR THE BEDS, IT WOULD STILL LOOK FUNNY TO JUST HAVE ONE WINDOW ON THAT WHOLE WALL. THAT'S JUST NOT HOW, IT'S NOT HOW HISTORIC HOUSES LOOKED. I I DON'T EVEN SEE A LOT OF NEW BUILDS THAT HAVE THAT FEW WINDOWS ON THE SIDE. YEAH, I GUESS WE, WE HAVE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION THE CENTER OF THE BEDROOM WITH A SIX FOOT WIDE BED WITH TWO NIGHTSTAND THAT ARE TWO FOOT WIDE EACH, THAT EATS UP 10 FEET. SO IF YOU PUT A WINDOW THERE, YOU KIND OF, YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO INVADE SOMETHING AT SOME POINT ON FOR BOTH OF THOSE ROOMS. THAT WAS ONE OF OUR, WHEN WE WERE WITH THE ENGINEER, WE WERE DISCUSSING SHOULD WE OR SHOULD WE NOT, ACCORDING TO THE MEASUREMENTS. SO EACH BEDROOM IS ABOUT 10 FEET WIDE, 10 BY 12, BOTH BEDROOM TWO AND THREE. SO YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH WITH TWO NIGHTSTANDS AND A BED THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT WALL ALMOST. SO YOU CAN PUT A BED IN FRONT OF A WINDOW WITH A ICE. I CAN LONG CURTAIN. I'M JUST, I CAN, YOU CAN'T. I SAID I CAN. YES. OKAY. YES, YOU CAN DO THAT. PEOPLE DO THAT. ONE DOES THAT, SOME PEOPLE DO THAT. I DIDN'T MEAN . OKAY. I MEAN IT'S, UM, IT'S A, IT'S A KIND OF A FEELING OF A SECURITY ISSUE WITH YOUR HEAD NEXT TO, UH, A WINDOW THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE OPENED AT SOME POINT OR SO. IT'S JUST LIKE, LIKE, LIKE HAVING THAT FULL WALL THERE. AND I, I'M SO PRAYING THAT YOU SEE THIS MY WAY, SO I'M TALKING IT TO DEATH. WELL, WE UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES ON THE INTERIOR. IT'S JUST THAT ON THE EXTERIOR, THE LACK OF WINDOWS TOWARDS THE FRONT AND ON THAT ONE SIDE, THE EXISTENCE OF ONE WINDOW ON A LONG WALL, THAT JUST DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THE HOUSES THERE SHOULD LOOK LIKE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S OUR REASONING. WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MAKE LIFE ON THE INSIDE HARD, BUT WE DO CARE ABOUT THE OUTSIDE. SO AND, AND, AND THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR, JUST, JUST FOR THE HISTORY OF THE PLACE, IT, IT, IT'S BOARDED ON ALL OF THE WINDOWS AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT . SO I, SO TECHNICALLY I DO LOOK LIKE THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO ME. . YES. WELL, WE'LL TALK TO THEM LATER. OKAY. . ALRIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY I'LL, I'M, I'M OPEN TO THE RECOMMENDATION FOR, UH, THE GAME ROOM, ESPECIALLY ADDING WINDOWS TO THE GAME ROOM. THAT IS A DEFINITE. UH, AND THEN THE BEDROOMS, IF YOU PUSH ME HARD ENOUGH TO GET A BED, I, I CAN, I WILL TRY. UH, I THINK SOMEONE RECOMMENDED GETTING IT CLOSER TO THE CLOSET TO WHERE MAYBE IT'S JUST THE NIGHTSTAND THAT CATCHES THE WINDOW AND NOT THE BED. YES. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I I THINK THAT WITH SOME NICE CURTAINS RIGHT THERE, THE NIGHTSTAND WILL FEEL SAFE AND WE DON'T CARE IF YOU BOARD IT UP ON THE INSIDE. ACTUALLY , YOU CAN DO THAT. WE DON'T CARE. . OKAY, SO THAT'S SETTLED. THAT'S PROBABLY THREE WINDOWS. CAN WE AGREE THAT MR. NOEL IS GOING TO PUT THREE WINDOWS IN THE PLACES THAT WE SUGGESTED? WELL, LET US SEE WHAT, WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS RESPOND BECAUSE ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? AND IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS, THEN SOMEONE'S GONNA HAVE TO COME UP WITH A MOTION THAT INCORPORATES WHATEVER WE WANT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER REEVES, IS IT IMPOSSIBLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO PUT A HIGH WINDOW THAT WOULD GO OVER THE BED? A TRANSIENT, THOSE TEND TO ELONGATED TRANSIENTS. YEAH, I THOUGHT OF THAT. 'CAUSE YOU TEND TO SEE THOSE POST-WAR. UM, AGAIN, WE ARE DEALING WITH WHERE WE HAVEN'T SEEN EVERYTHING. SO DR. DUNN IS OUR ONLY SOURCE OF, IS THAT TYPE OF WINDOW WHERE IT'S A THIN, SKINNY WINDOW, WAY HIGH UP, YOU KNOW, AND YOU PUT THE BED UNDERNEATH IT. HAVE YOU SEEN MUCH OF THAT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? NO. THAT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE WHAT BEST FIT IS LIKELY TO FIT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. ISN'T THIS QUEEN CITY WHERE WE HAVE NO RULES? WE HAVE NO RULES, BUT SO WHAT WE HAVE IS WHAT'S ON THE GROUND AND DO WE THINK THAT IT FITS WITH THAT? YEAH, HE'S FACING IN AN EMPTY WALL IN THE NEXT HOUSE. YEAH. SO THAT WINDOW ONLY 'CAUSE THEY BOARD UP THEIR WINDOWS. , I'M, I'M SORRY, ON THAT NORTHEAST ELEVATION, THAT WINDOW IS OFF OF AN OFFICE. IT'S A LITTLE OFFICE. YEAH. SO, UH, NEXT TO THAT WE WOULD HAVE A, PROBABLY A TWIN HUNG IN THE GAMING ROOM. 'CAUSE IT'S A GAME ROOM. YEAH, IT'S, SO WE A, A TWIN AT THE GAME ROOM. CAN'T DO ANY, CAN'T [02:05:01] DO ANYTHING ELSE BEYOND THAT BECAUSE THAT'S ALL MASTER MAT. MASTER BATH. OKAY. UNLESS YOU WOULD LIKE US TO WELL, NO, BECAUSE THE TUB IS NOT ON THAT WINDOW, BUT A WINDOW CAN BE PUT IN THAT MASTER BASKET. 'CAUSE THE TUB IS NOT ON THAT EXTERIOR WALL. AND THE MASTER BATH IS WAY IN THE BACK. AND WE HAVE, SO FAR, I'VE ONLY HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT MORE TOWARDS THE FRONT. MORE TOWARDS THE FRONT. SO YES. SO THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT AREA. WHAT ABOUT BEDROOM THREE? GETTING ONE WINDOW AND THE GANG ROOM GETTING ONE WINDOW? WELL, THEY'RE NOT ON THE SAME SIDE. . THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT ON THE SAME SIDE. BUT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD GET RID OF THE PROBLEM OF, UH, NEAR THE FRONT. NO WINDOWS ON THE SIDES. YEAH. THE, THE, WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT IS TO HAVE SOMETHING ON EACH SIDES. WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS FOR ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO EITHER CHIME IN OR MAKE A MOTION WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT AMOUNT OF WINDOWS AND LOCATION THEY THINK AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT IT. I'VE GOT A MOTION. I, I HAD A FEELING THAT YOU WOULD BE THE ONE TO SAVE ME ON THIS. SO THANK YOU. UM, UH, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM 3 27 0 6 LEWAY STREET, UM, ALSO KNOWN AS CA 2 4 5 DASH 27 4 RD. THAT, UM, LET'S SEE. WE, WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE ADDITION, UH, ALONG WITH ITS CONDITIONS AND ADDING THE CONDITION OF, UH, ADDITIONAL WINDOWS. ONE IN BEDROOM THREE, ONE ADDITIONAL ON BEDROOM TWO. THOSE ARE, WOULD BE FACING, I'M JUST GONNA CALL IT THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE. UM, AND THEN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE PLAN, UH, ONE IN THE GAME ROOM, YES. LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE PLAN. ONE IN THE GAME ROOM AND THEN LIGHT HAND SIDE BEDROOM TWO AND THREE. YEAH. AND, AND THAT'S IT. YES SIR. SECOND. I'LL SECOND IS THAT, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. ARE YOU DONE? OKAY, SECOND. OKAY. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON HAS SECONDED THE MOTION. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MOTION AT HAND? I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. SOME OF THE WINDOWS ON THE ELEVATIONS WERE MARKED, NOT MARKED AS ONE OF THE ONES THEY WERE UP WITH BONES. WE DO ASSUME THAT THEY'RE ALL ONE OF THE ONES. WE SHOULD PROBABLY NOT ASSUME ANYTHING, BUT, UM, SPECIFY THAT SHELBY 1 0 1, I NOT HAVE THAT WRONG. I STILL, I'M NOT OH, IN THE VERY BACK IS WHERE YOU'RE SEEING OR IT'S SH AS A SLIDER I BELIEVE. WELL THAT BRINGS UP THE ISSUE IS, IS THIS GOING TO BE THE KIND OF, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE REAR SIDE OR NOT THE REAR ELEVATION? WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET. ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, WE'RE BOXED IN ON ALL THREE SIDES WITH A FENCE IN THE BACK. THERE'S NO ALLEY, NO ACCESS TO THE BACKYARD AT ALL. SO REALLY THERE'S NO VIEW OF THE BACK OF THIS PARTICULAR RESIDENCE. THE ONE ON THE CORNER, THERE IS A VIEW FROM THE LOT BEHIND IT. UM, MY, THIS PARTICULAR LOT WHERE WE ARE AT 27 0 6 HAS ZERO VIEW. IT'S SECURITY FENCE ON ALL THREE SIDES. OKAY. SO IT IS NOT SEEN COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, IS IT YOUR DESIRE TO SEE IF WE COULD ADD AN AMENDMENT TO OUR MOTION THAT WOULD MAKE THOSE TWO WINDOWS OR YEAH, THOSE TWO WINDOWS THAT ARE NOT ONE OVER ONE, BE ONE OVER ONE OR CLARITY WOULD BE HELPFUL. OKAY. THAT IS UP TO THE MAKER. AND THEN THE SECOND COMMISSIONER, I KNOW AT ANY POINT I'LL, UM, ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT WHERE, UM, THE TWO WINDOWS ON THE REAR OF BEDROOM TWO ARE ACTUALLY, UH, IT'S TWO SEPARATE, ONE OVER ONE . MADAM CHAIR, I NEED TO INTERJECT SO THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING ROBERT'S RULES. JUST SO I UNDERSTAND. UM, IF COMMISSIONER SHERMAN IS MAKING AN AMENDMENT, THERE NEEDS TO BE A SECOND AND THEN WE WOULD VOTE ON THAT AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE THAT INTO COMMISSIONER RENO'S AMENDMENT. UH, EXCUSE ME, HIS MAIN MOTION. OKAY. WE CANNOT JUST HAVE HIM NOW ADD IT TO HIS MOTION. WELL THAT WOULD, SO ONCE HE MADE THE MOTION AND HE SECONDED IT, NOW IT IS BELONGS TO THE BODY. THE MC THE COMMISSIONER. YOU ALL. OKAY. WHEN SOMEBODY CHANGES IT, EVEN IF IT IS COMMISSIONER RENO CHANGING IN HIS OWN MOTION, THE PROPER PROCEDURE WOULD BE FOR HIM TO MAKE A MOTION IT BE SECONDED VOTING ON THE AMENDMENT TO AMEND HIS ORIGINAL MOTION AND THEN VOTING ON THE ORIGINAL. OKAY. SO HE JUST NEEDS TO REPHRASE WHAT HE ALREADY SAID AS THE, AS A MOTION AND THEN IT HAS TO BE SECONDED. UH, HE COULD, IF HE'S AMENDING HIS MAIN MOTION, IT NEEDS TO BE AMENDED. IT. THAT WOULD BE ONE, ONE PATH WOULD BE TO, FOR COMMISSIONER RENAUT TO MAKE THE AMENDMENT IT TO BE SECONDED VOTED. YOU WOULD DISCUSS THAT AMENDMENT, THEN YOU WOULD VOTE ON THAT AMENDMENT, [02:10:01] THEN THAT AMENDMENT BECOMES A PART OF THE MAIN MOTION AND THEN WE WOULD VOTE ON THE MAIN MOTION. HOWEVER, HE COULD JUST RECALL HIS MAIN MOTION. UH, AND THEN MAKE A SUBSEQUENT MAIN MOTION, INCLUDING ALL THE THINGS THAT HE WANTS TO ALL THE CHANGES. OKAY. THAT SOUNDS LIKE A QUESTION FOR HOW MR. RENO WISHES TO DO THIS. I'LL, UH, UH, CANCEL MY INITIAL, UH, UH, MOTION AND REMAKE IT. OKAY. IT'S NOT HARD. THAT'S OKAY. UM, IT'S RECALL BY THE WAY. NOT RESCIND OR CANCEL. THAT SOUNDS RECALL. UM, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 3 27 0 6 LEWAY STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS CA 2 4 5 DASH 2 7 4 RD THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH. AND IT'S UM, AND IT'S CONDITIONS, UH, WITH THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL, UM, CONDITIONS THAT ONE WINDOW BE ADDED THE SAME SIZE AS ON THE, THE FRONT, BUT A SINGLE WINDOW, NOT, NOT A DOUBLE INTO BEDROOM. THREE ON THE RIGHT HAND ELEVATION INTO BEDROOM TWO ON THE RIGHT HAND ELEVATION THAT THE REAR WINDOWS ARE, UM, REPLACED INSTEAD OF A SLIDER THAT THOSE WOULD BE, UH, A PAIR OF ONE OVER ONE AND, UH, ONE ADDITIONAL WINDOW IN THE GAME ROOM, UH, AS ONE OVER ONE AS WELL ON THE SAME PROPORTIONS AS THE OTHERS. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON IS STILL THE SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, THEN WE'RE READY TO CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES. YEAH. YES. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. CONGRATULATIONS. NOT THAT WE DON'T WANNA SEE YOU AGAIN. PERHAPS SOMEDAY YOU'LL WANNA ADD AN ADDITION AND YOU CAN COME BACK , BUT , OKAY. OKAY. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR CONSTRUCTION. THANK YOU. AND JOY. OKAY, NEXT UP IS D FIVE. OKAY. CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF. DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 5 7 1 8 GLENDALE STREET, JUNIORS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 4 5 2 6 1 CP. REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING FRONT YARD FENCE WITH THE SIX FOOT BOARD ON BOARD, BOARD ON BOARD WOOD FENCE ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND AN EIGHT FOOT BOARD ON BOARD FENCE ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWING THE SPEC SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 7 20 25 WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE DEMONSTRATES A NEED FOR PRIVACY AND THAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION MAY ALLOW A FENCE THAT IS LOCATED FIVE FEET BEHIND THE PORCH OF THE HOUSE. REQUEST REQUESTS THE FENCE PER SECTION 3.62. THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION 3.66 A TO, EXCUSE ME, I'M ABOUT TO SNEEZE. SO I'M TRYING THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING FRONT YARD FENCE WITH AN EIGHT FOOT BOARD ON BOARD WOOD FENCE ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE AND SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, AS THE HEIGHT IS NOT ALLOWED, BUT RECOMMENDS LOWERING THE FENCE SITE ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE TO SIX FEET AND PROVIDING EVIDENCE OF SECURITY AND PRIVACY ISSUES, AND THAT THE FENCE WILL NOT INTERFERE WITH ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS. ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATION, APPROVE THE EXTENSION OF THE FENCE AND THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE OF FIVE FEET BEHIND THE FRONT PORCH TO ADDRESS PRIVACY ISSUES PER 3.6 A TWO. THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER WHO I SEE IS ONLINE. UH, MR. HOWARD, I NEED YOU TO BEGIN BY TELLING ME YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND SWEARING OR AFFIRMING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TELL THE TRUTH. MY NAME IS TED HOWARD. I LIVE AT SEVEN 18 GLENDALE STREET, AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. OKAY, SIR, YOU HAVE, UM, THREE MINUTES TO TELL US WHAT ANY FURTHER INFORMATION WE NEED TO KNOW TO HELP US DECIDE ON YOUR REQUEST. EXCELLENT. UH, CAN YOU ALL SEE WHAT I'M SHARING? YES. GREAT. OKAY. [02:15:02] SO YES, I'M HERE TO, UH, SPEAK ABOUT THE REQUEST TO EXTEND THE MY FENCE AT SEVEN 18 GLENDALE STREET. A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT, UH, THIS IS, UH, AN ADDITION TO SOME WORK THAT WE STARTED ABOUT A YEAR AGO, A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, UM, THAT INVOLVED, UH, THE BACKYARD GARAGE AND REPLACING THE FENCE AND WHAT WAS APPROVED THAT THEN IN THE ORIGINAL CA WAS JUST UP TO THE 50% LINE. UM, I HAD UNFORTUNATELY DELEGATED A LOT OF THIS WORK TO MY CONTRACTOR AND ARCHITECT AND JUST KIND OF LET THINGS GO ALONG. SO WHAT WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS THE, WHAT IS THE RED LINES ON, UH, ON THE LINE HERE. SO THAT LITTLE L ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE TO COVER OVER MY DINING ROOM WINDOWS, AND THEN THAT ONE LINE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UH, THERE. SO, UM, JUST REAL QUICK, WHY I WANT THE FENCE. I DON'T LOVE FENCES. UH, I'M NOT BIG INTO THEM. I DON'T REALLY WANT TO FEEL LIKE I LIVE IN A FORTRESS. HOWEVER, UH, I DO WANT TO PREVENT RANDOM PEOPLE FROM WANDERING INTO MY BACKYARD AND JUST KIND OF SNOOPING AROUND, WHICH IS A THING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO ME HERE BEFORE. UM, I ALSO NEED TO HAVE A WALL OF SEPARATION BETWEEN MY, UH, THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO ME. IT'S CURRENTLY VACANT. IT'S A RENTAL PROPERTY, BUT THE PREVIOUS SENATE I HAD TO CALL THE POLICE ON, UH, BECAUSE HE CAME OUT OF THE HOUSE, HE WAS THROWING THINGS SCREAMING AND HE WAS NAKED, AND WE JUST, I NEED TO HAVE SOME SEPARATION AND SECURITY THERE. UH, ALL THAT TO SAY IS, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, WE HAVE BEEN APPROVED UP TO THE 50% LINE, WHICH IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THOSE FULL HEIGHT DINING ROOM WINDOWS. AND WHEN THEY WERE HERE DOING THE WORK, I WENT AHEAD AND ASKED TO EXTEND THE FENCE TO COVER THE WINDOWS OVER HOPING THAT I COULD COME TO THIS BODY AND GET PERMISSION TO MAKE THAT WORK. UH, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT HERE. UM, WHY I THINK WHY I THOUGHT THIS WAS GONNA WORK AND WHY I THINK THIS WILL WORK HERE. UM, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, I KNOW THAT AS LONG AS WE'RE FIVE FEET BEHIND THE PORCH, WE CAN GET THAT APPROVAL, UM, FOR PRIVACY AND SECURITY. UH, THAT ORANGE LINE IS THE FIVE FOOT LINE. SO WE ARE DEFINITELY BEHIND THAT ON BOTH SIDES. UM, THERE IS, THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION PREVIOUSLY, UH, WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT BEFORE, UH, ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THIS AND HOW THE FENCE INTERACTS WITH THE VAL. AND SO, UH, IF THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO LOWER THAT DOWN TO ABOUT BE SIX FEET HIGH OR TO BE UNDERNEATH THAT VAL, UH, WE WILL DO THAT. UM, BUT ALSO SEE HERE THAT THIS IS BEHIND THAT FIVE FOOT LINE. UM, AND AGAIN, JUST KIND OF SHOWING THAT I'M BEHIND THE FIVE FOOT LINE. UM, AND THEN AGAIN ON THIS SIDE HERE, WE JUST WANT TO EXTEND THE NEW FENCE, TEARING DOWN THE OLD FENCE, BUT JUST UP, JUST EXTENDING UP TO THAT FIVE FOOT BEHIND THE FRONT PORCH LINE, UH, JUST TO BASICALLY PROVIDE SOME SEPARATION BETWEEN OUR BATHROOM WINDOWS AND OUR BEDROOM WINDOWS AND OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR'S LIVING ROOM WINDOWS. UM, THE REST OF THE ORDINANCE TALKS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE STRUCTURE OR THE OVERLAY DISTRICT OR ANYTHING AROUND IT. UM, , EXCUSE ME, SIR, THAT IS YOUR TIME. OH, MAN. OKAY. AWESOME. HANG ON A SECOND. COMMISSIONER REEVES, OR COMMISSIONER I MAY YOU EXTEND THIS TIME? ANOTHER TWO MINUTES. OKAY. ANYBODY SECOND? SECOND. COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER HAS SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. YES. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, CARRIE. SO SIR, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO MORE MINUTES. BLESS YOU. THANK YOU. SHOULD PRACTICE MORE. THIS IS WHAT THE HOME LOOKED LIKE BEFORE ANY OF THE WORK THAT WE DID. AND YOU'LL NOTICE THE PROMINENCE OF THE OLD STENTS RIGHT THERE AT THE VERY FRONT OF THE HOUSE. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY. SO YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THE, UH, FENCE AS WE WANT IT BUILT. UH, YOU CAN SEE THE OLD FENCE THAT'S STILL THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN. CAN'T EVEN SEE IT FROM THE STREET. UM, IF YOU WANT TO SEE EXAMPLES OF FENCES UP AT THE FRONT OF HOUSES THOUGH, YOU CAN GO TO SEVEN 14 GLENDALE, WHERE THEY'RE AT THE FRONT SEVEN 12 GLENDALE, WHO'S ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT. 7 0 4 GLENDALE, WHICH IS PRETTY CLOSE OR ACROSS THE STREET FROM AT SEVEN 19, WHICH IS ALSO MORE PROMINENT. UM, THAT'S REALLY IT. I'M JUST ASKING, UH, WHAT I ASKED FOR I THINK IS REASONABLE. I THINK IT STILL PRESERVES THE CHARACTER AND THE SPIRIT AND, AND LETTER OF THE ORDINANCE, BUT ALSO IS GONNA GIVE ME THE SECURITY AND PRIVACY, UH, FOR, FOR MY HOME. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR THE EXTRA TIME. ALRIGHT SIR, HANG ON IN CASE WE HAVE QUESTIONS. SO, COMMISSIONERS, I I HAVE A QUESTION. COMMISSIONER OFFIT, IS THAT YOU? YES, MA'AM. UH, GO AHEAD. IT'S REALLY FOR STAFF. IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THE RECOMMENDATIONS BOTH FROM THE TASK FORCE AND STAFF, IT'S TO APPROVE WITH THE TO ON THE FIVE FOOT, UH, BACK AND THE HEIGHT DROPPING DOWN OF THE FENCE ITSELF ON, UM, THE REQUEST. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT [02:20:01] IS CORRECT. THANK YOU. AND I'LL BE SUPPORTING THAT. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? BECAUSE IF NO ONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, THEN SOMEONE MUST HAVE A MOTION. REALLY YOU MUST . I MAKE A MOTION. THANK YOU, FOR VOLUNTEERING SO QUICKLY. IN THE MATTER OF 7 1 8 GLENDALE STREET, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS CA 2 4 5 2 6 1 CP I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE, UH, PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION. SECOND? YES, YES, YES. OKAY, SIR, WE DID VOTE TO, UM, TO GO WITH THE, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. SO CONGRATULATIONS, UH, GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR WORK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, NOW WE CAN MOVE ON TO, YEAH, LET, LET US CHECK. DO WE HAVE, HAVE WE, DID WE END UP HAVING ANY SPEAKERS FOR THE TWO CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS THAT WE MOVED OVER? UH, MINE REPLIED BACK BUT SAID THAT THEY WOULD TRY TO GET ON, BUT THEY WERE NOT SHOWING CAPABILITY FOR THE CAMERA. HE WAS NOT SIGNED UP. UM, LET ME SEE IF HE'S HERE. UM, THAT WAS THE EMAIL WE HAD A FEW MINUTES AGO. OH, HE'S ON, OKAY, SO THAT'S C SIX, CORRECT? C SIX. ALL RIGHT. SO LET US GO UP FORTH WITH C SIX AFTER THAT. IF WE HAVE NO MORE SPEAKERS, WE MAY MOVE ON TO UH, D NINE TO GET THAT ONE DONE, BUT, OKAY. SO LET'S DO C SIX RIGHT NOW. OKAY. SO CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 6 48 23 TREMONT STREET, MUNGER PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 4 5 DASH 2 8 0 CP REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE EXISTING ROOF IN THE COLOR WEATHERED WOOD WITH NEW CERTAINTY LANDMARK CLIMATE FLEX CLASS FOUR SHINGLES IN THE COLOR MORAY BLACK STAFF. RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE EXISTING ROOF WITH NEW CERTAINTY. LANDMARK CLIMATE FLEX CLASS FOUR SHINGLES IN THE COLOR MORAY BLACK BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS DATED 12 23 20 24. THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA, SECTION 51 P DASH 97 1 11 C ONE IV PERTAINING TO ROOT COLOR. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE EXISTING ROOF BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE. MOTION FAILED WITH TWO IN FAVOR, ONE OPPOSED, AND ONE ABSTAINED. TASK FORCE COMMENTS, ONE. RECOMMEND ROOF COLOR BE WEATHERED WOOD OR SIMILAR AS BLACK ROOF DOES NOT COMPLIMENT THE STYLE COLOR OF THE HOME. NUMBER TWO, OPPOSITION BASED ON LACK OF SPECIFICITY OF COLOR REQUIREMENT AND ORDINANCE. OKAY, SO WHO, WHO IS OUR SPEAKER? UH, THE APPLICANT. MARSHALL LAWRENCE? YEAH, I BELIEVE MARSHALL LAWRENCE ONLINE IN THE, OH, THERE I SEE YOU. YES. OKAY, WELCOME . UH, THANK YOU MARSHALL, WE NEED YOU TO, UM, GIVE US YOUR FULL NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU'LL TELL THE TRUTH. YEAH. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS MARSHALL LAWRENCE, 48 23 TREMONT STREET IN DALLAS, TEXAS, 7 5 2 4 6. AND I SWEAR TO TELL THE JUDGE AS WELL. OKAY, SIR, YOU HAVE, UM, THREE MINUTES TO TELL US ANY FURTHER INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO KNOW TO HELP US CONSIDER YOUR REQUEST. YEAH, SO THE REQUEST IS TO, UM, GO WITH A, [02:25:01] UH, MOREY BLACK IS THE, IS THE COLOR FOR THE, UH, SO YEAH, BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, IS THE HOUSE IS GRAY, UH, WHITE TRIM IT, JUST TRY, TRY TO PROVIDE SOME MORE CONTRAST, UH, WITH THE BLACK VERSUS THE, THE STANDARD WEATHER, WHAT THAT MOST PEOPLE SEEM TO GO WITH FROM. SO THAT WAS, THAT'S THE END OF MY COMMENTS. OKAY. UM, LET'S SEE IF ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS. UH, I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH COMMISSIONER MOVED IT, BUT CERTAINLY THEY HAVE A QUESTION. I, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. I WAS JUST GONNA, I WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, LET THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE WEATHER WOULD BE AT LEAST DISCUSSED HERE TODAY. UM, ROOFS IN RUNG PLACE WOULD'VE BEEN CEDAR SHINGLES ORIGINALLY, AND THE BEST ROOF FOR THAT IS A WEATHERED WOOD THAT LOOKS LIKE A WEATHERED CEDAR SHINGLE. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW HOW MANY OTHER BLACK ROOFS THAT MIGHT BE NEARBY. I, IF IT'S A WHOLE BLOCK OF WEATHERED WOOD ROOFS, THE BLACK ROOF'S GONNA STICK OUT LIKE THE SORE THUMB. SO I JUST WANTED TO ASSUME GENERAL DISCUSSION WITH THE MERITS OF A WEATHERED WOOD ROOF OVER A BLACK ROOF. SO, IS THERE, IS THERE, UM, ARE, ARE THERE OTHER COLORED ROOFS ON YOUR BLOCK OR THEY MOSTLY WEATHERED WOOD? DO YOU HAVE AN, AN OPINION ON THAT? YES, THERE ARE SOME THAT I WOULD SAY PROBABLY HALF ARE WEATHERED WOOD. UH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, REDDISH PEW, UM, TWO BLOCKS DOWN OR TWO DOORS DOWN RUNNING. UM, AND A FEW, UH, I WOULD SAY GRAY ROOFS. UH, I, I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE'S ANY BLACK ON MY BLOCK. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE TASK FORCE CONCERNS, THE FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE AND HELP US OUT HAD THEIR TIME TO, YOU KNOW, IN COURT HERE. UM, THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HARPER. YEAH, I HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, UNDER MINOR EXTERIOR ALTERATIONS, UH, IN THE ORDINANCE STAFF, COULD IT HAVE APPROVED THIS, UH, IF, IF THE ROOF WAS EARTH TONING COLOR AND IN DARKNESS IS SEVEN OR LESS? AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, IS THE DARKNESS GREATER THAN SEVEN IN STAFF'S EVALUATION? IT IS THAT THAT STIPULATION IS ONLY MINOR EXTERIOR CHANGES. BUT IF YOU ACTUALLY GO INTO THE BODY, WHICH IS LANDMARK VERSION, THERE'S LITERALLY ONLY ONE SENTENCE AND IT JUST SAYS IT HAS TO COMPLIMENT THE HOUSE. THERE'S NO STIPULATION ON USING MUNSELL HUGHES OR NOT. YEAH. UNDERSTOOD. THE, THE REASON I ASK IS 'CAUSE THERE IS LANGUAGE UNDER STAFF APPROVAL THAT DOES DEFINE A COLOR RANGE. THERE IS THAT IN DARKNESS AND MAYBE IT'S A, A, A FLAW IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT THERE WAS AN INTENT IN THE ORDINANCE. WE DID HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, THIS THE, THE INTENT WAS SPECIFICALLY PUTTING IT IN THE STAFF AREA IS TO ALLOW STAFF, LIKE, SO IT WAS BASICALLY TO LIMIT WHAT STAFF COULD APPROVE, NOT LIMIT WHAT Y'ALL CAN APPROVE. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IN THE ABSENCE OF WHICH WE WILL NEED, WILL NEED A MOTION? UH, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN A COMMENT, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT A QUESTION. UM, I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING LOOKED AT THE, THE BLACK FACE AND SUCH THAT WHETHER WOOD WOULD BE MORE COMPLIMENTARY THE BLOCK, AND QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK IT WOULD COMPLIMENT THE HOUSE FAILURE. UM, I THINK THE BLACK ROOFS TEND TO GIVE A MODERN LOOKS. UM, AND I KNOW FOR A FACT A LOT OF THE ROOFERS ARE PUSHING THE BLACK ROOF. I DON'T KNOW WHY I GUESS IT THAT ONE THE, BUT I DO THINK THAT A BLACK ROOF NEEDS TO BE A PROPERTY WITH STANDALONE QUALITY THAT I THINK, UM, TENDS TO PULL IT AWAY AS FAR AS THE RHYTHM OF THE BLOCK PRINT STUFF. AND, UM, THAT RAVEN OTHER ONE SUPPORTED THAT WHOEVER THOSE TO THE ONE. UM, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UH, MR. LAWRENCE, IF, IF IT WERE, IF YOU WERE THINKING THAT MAYBE IT WOULD GET HARD TO BE HARD TO GET APPROVAL FOR THE BLACK SHINGLES, WOULD YOU GO WITH WEATHERED WOOD? UH, I WOULD, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S MY DEFAULT OR MY SECONDARY CHOICE, YOU KNOW, IF I CAN'T GET DONE WHAT WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS AS APPROVING AS ROUTINE, BUT HE WANTED TO TRY TO GET, OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO HA HAVE YOUR THOUGHTS ON, ON THAT POSSIBILITY. NOW, IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS, SOMEONE NEEDS TO MAKE A MOTION REFLECTING WHATEVER THEY THINK WE OUGHT TO DO. [02:30:05] I HAVE A MOTION . UM, LET'S SEE. UM, CONSENT ITEM 6 4 8 2 3 TREMONT STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS CA 2 4 5 DASH 2 8 0 CP. THAT, UM, LET'S SEE. UH, THAT, LET'S SEE. WE'D HAVE TO DENY WITH WITHOUT, WITH THE, BECAUSE IT'S, SORRY. YOU CAN APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS APPROVE. UM, WE'LL APPROVE, UH, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE SHINGLES WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE REPLACEMENT SHINGLE BE, UM, WEATHERED WOULD, UH, ROOF COLOR AND THAT, THAT WOULD MEET THE STANDARD OF THE CITY CODE SECTION, UH, 51 A DASH 4.501, UH, G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS. SECOND, UM, I HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER SHERMAN. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT CASE? WE'LL CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? ALRIGHT, IT HAS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. SO YOU DO HAVE AN APPROVAL, SIR, OF YOUR SECOND CHOICE . I HOPE THAT YOU'LL ENJOY YOUR HOUSE AND AND THAT YOUR WORK WILL GO SMOOTH AND EASY. ALL RIGHT? APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BYE-BYE. BYE-BYE. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SPEAKER FOR C EIGHT YET, OR WE GIVE 'EM SOME TIME? ALRIGHT THEN LET US MAKE A MO . LET COMMISSIONER PEL MAKE A MOTION, UH, IN LIGHT OF THE ARRIVAL OF SOME SPEAKERS IN PERSON FOR DISCUSSION. ITEM NINE. I MOVE THAT WE REARRANGE THE, UM, AGENDA AND TAKE DISCUSSION. ITEM NINE, NEXT SECOND. THE SECOND IS FROM COMMISSIONER POSI. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, THEN THAT CARRIES, WE'LL TAKE DISCUSSION ITEM. OH, WE WILL DO IT AFTER THIS. IF, IF PERHAPS IF THERE'S ANYONE SPEAKING, THEY'LL HAVE TIME TO GET HERE OR TIME TO GET ON. OKAY. SO WE ALL VOTED TO DO THIS. HOWEVER, I WOULD SUGGEST WE TAKE OUR BRIEF BREAK BEFORE WE DO THIS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN AN HOUR AND 45 MINUTES AS WE STARTED, OR TWO HOURS AND 45 MINUTES SINCE WE, THREE HOURS, TWO HOURS I CAN DO MATH. OKAY. SO JUST FIVE MINUTES. WE WILL RETURN AT 3 46. OKAY. THIS IS FOR CITY HALL. OH, WE WENT NINE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I, YEAH. SEE , OUR TWO SPEAKERS ARE SIGNED UP FOR D NINE. OKAY. IN FIVE MINUTES WE'LL HEAR D NINE. ALRIGHT, FIVE MINUTES. OKAY. WHAT? WHAT'S THAT? YES SIR. OKAY, I'LL LOOK AT IT. OKAY. I WASN'T SURE I JUST SAW IT 'CAUSE I'M LOOKING THROUGH ALL MY NOTES. ALL THAT I'M TAKING IN. I'M FAMILIAR WITH HER. I'M FAMILIAR WITH HER. SHE WAS NOT HAPPY WITH US AT ONE TIME. SHE'S ACTUALLY THE ONE THAT USED TO LIVE IN THE HOUSE THAT CAUGHT FIRE. SHE ACTUALLY LIT THAT HOUSE WITH A FEW HOUSES DOWN THAT SHE GOT MAD BECAUSE SHE LOST FUNDING AND BLAMED IT ON US. BUT IT WASN'T US. THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT, THEY REVOLTED THE LINE AND THAT HOUSE BACK. YES. BUT SOMEBODY ELSE BOUGHT IT WITH THE ADDITION IN THE BACK. YES. [02:35:01] SO I, I KNOW WHO SHE IS. OKAY. SO I WILL ADD IT RIGHT NOW I'M TRYING TO, OKAY. UM, LET ME SEE. SOUTH. THERE'S THAT ONE. AND THEN SUSAN'S DISH. LET ME LOOK IT UP. NOW LET ME SAVE IT ALL. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I DON'T FORGET ANYTHING 'CAUSE THERE'S MORE THIS TIME. OKAY. OH YES, I ASKED MARCUS. HOLD ON. I'LL TELL YOU JUSTICE. IT IS, WELL IT DEPENDS ON THE, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. SO SHE SENT THIS, DID SHE SEND THE APPLICATION TO YOU? SUSAN STITCH? OH, IN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. IN THE HT MAILBOX, VICTOR. OKAY. MAY FIND IT. WHERE IS IT? WHERE IS IT? HOLD ON, I'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IN ONE SECOND. I JUST WANNA BE SURE THAT I GET HER. OH, THERE IT IS. OKAY. OKAY, SO WE HAVE LONGER, OKAY, LET ME SAVE THAT 50 16 ON VICTOR STREET. OKAY. AND THEN GO BACK. WHERE DID SHE GO? OH, I WAS LIKE, THIS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE MY MAILBOX. 'CAUSE IT WASN'T YAY. SO I FORWARDED YOU THAT. OH, I FORWARDED YOU. OH, THERE IT IS. THE STAIN RIGHT HERE. I'LL LET ME DO THE OTHER ONE TOO. OKAY. UM, OKAY. DID YOU ASK ME ABOUT STORM WINDOWS BEFORE? DID A LADY ASK ME, DID YOU ASK ME ABOUT STORM WINDOWS BEFORE? DID ANOTHER APPLICANT, A WOMAN ASK ME? WE GOT ONE EVENING, MAYBE SHE CALLED AND ASKED ME. I I WAS JUST REMEMBERING IT. ONE GOT SENT IN PERMIT. THEY'RE NOWHERE. YEAH, I MIGHT HAVE TALKED TO BOTH OF YOU THEN. THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT IT WAS. OKAY. SO I'M JUST COUNTING AS LONG AS, DOES SHE, DOES SHE SEND US SPECS? YEAH. YEAH. SO THE CONFIGURATION HAS TO MATCH HIS ASHES AND, UH, PAINT TO MATCH HIS ASHS ALSO, BASICALLY. SO YOU CAN'T TELL IF IT'S NECESSARILY RIGHT. SHE'LL PROBABLY DO IT IF YOU ASK HER 6, 14, 15. SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE D NINE, RIGHT? I . [02:40:06] HI, THIS IS, UH, MICHAEL FLOWERS PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF FOR DISCUSSION ITEM NINE 15, UH, STREET. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER INITIATION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR 1500 MORELA STREET, THE DALLAS CITY HALL BUILDING. IT WON'T BE A TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, BUT COULD WE READ SOMETHING FROM THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE? NO. OKAY. , THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE WAS IN SUPPORT. THAT'S ALL ACTUALLY. ALRIGHT, SO DISCUSSION OF THIS ITEM. WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK. WE DO HAVE OH, WE HAVE SPEAKERS? YES. OKAY. YES, WE DO. BUT, UM, DARREN TAPSCOTT, IS THERE A DARREN TAPSCOTT HERE ANYWHERE? YES. THERE, MAYBE. I'M DARREN TAP SCOTT. MY ADDRESS IS 5 2 3 0 BEDWIN AVENUE DALLAS 7 5 2 0 6. YEAH, YOUR MIC'S NOT ON. IT SAYS IT IS. SO AM I JUST THAT QUIET? I, OKAY. IT'S ONE OF THE FEW TIMES I'VE EVER BEEN ACCUSED OF THAT. UM, I'M HERE IN FAVOR OF, I'M, I'M ACTUALLY, IF YOU DON'T KNOW MADAM CHAIR COMMISSIONERS, I'M CHAIR OF THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE FOR THIS COMMISSION. AND WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE HEARD THIS ON A PRELIMINARY BASIS JUST FAR ENOUGH. AND COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR LETTER. IT WAS BRILLIANTLY WRITTEN AND SUMMED IT UP BRILLIANTLY. AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY IS THAT THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT THIS IS AN ICONIC BUILDING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE 1999 AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS GUIDEBOOK. IT IS THE VERY FIRST LISTING OF SIGNIFICANT BUILDINGS WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS. AND NOBODY CAN UNDERPLAY THE ROLE IMP HAS PLAYED IN THE CITY FROM FOUNTAIN PLACE, TXU CENTER, DALLAS CENTER, MYERSON CITY HALL, ET CETERA. SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY, UH, QUESTION AS TO THE SIGNIFICANCE. AND I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY WHY DEBT PRESERVATION AND THE WAY THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE APPROACHES THIS IS THAT PRESERVATION IS THE VERY SPECIFIC SELECTION OF AN ARTICLE A BUILDING, A DISTRICT, OR A SITE THAT ONE GENERATION FINDS AS SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO COMMUNICATE IT TO THE NEXT GENERATIONS. AND THIS BUILDING DEFINITELY QUALIFIES UNDER THE, ALL OF THOSE CRITERIA. I'M REALLY HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT EITHER THE ARCHITECTURE OR THE SIGNIFICANCE NOBODY CAN PULL THAT DOWNPLAY THE POLITICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS BUILDING. THIS WAS CONSTRUCTED IN A POST JFK ASSASSINATION PERIOD WHEN ERIC JOHNSON, A VERY STRONG, STRONG MAYOR, DECIDED THAT DALLAS NEEDED A NEW IMAGE AND THIS BUILDING WAS SKIT. UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I WANT TO CO COVER, BUT BASICALLY I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON BEHALF OF THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE. AND I KNOW THERE'S OTHER SPEAKERS HERE ALSO IN FAVOR OF THE SAME THING. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND WE, WE DID HAVE A FEW THINGS COME UP IN THE BRIEFING QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THE DESIGNATION WOULD PROCEED. SO THERE WILL BE QUESTIONS PROBABLY. OKAY. ROBERT MCFE, THANK YOU. UH, EXCUSE ME, I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A COLD HERE. UH, MY NAME IS ROBERT MCFE. I LIVE, OR MY ADDRESS IS 1 1 5 WEST GREENBRIER LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 8. UH, I AM A DALLAS RESIDENT, BUT I'M HERE TODAY AS PAST PRESIDENT, CURRENT BOARD DIRECTOR OF DOOMO DOOMO US, UH, THE LARGEST NONPROFIT ADVOCATE IN THE US DEDICATED PRESERVATION OF OUR NATION'S MODERN ARCHITECTURAL DISTRICT. I WANNA TALK ABOUT WHY DALLAS CITY HALL IS NATIONALLY SIGNIFICANT. UM, WE ARE IN ENTHUSIASTIC SUPPORT OF THE INITIATION OF THE DESIGNATION AS A LANDMARK, UH, FOR DALLAS CITY HALL BY NOTED AMERICAN MODERNIST ARCHITECT. I PE IT'S AN IMPORTANT WORK IN THE UBER OF MR. PE IN THE 1970S IRVIN CREATED AND VERY WELL SPOKEN ARCHITECT WITH AN IDEAL CHOICE FOR THE PROJECT AND WELL AS NUMEROUS OTHER SIGNIFICANT BUILDINGS AT THE TIME, INCLUDING THE JFK LIBRARY, WHICH DARREN MENTIONED. AND HE WAS PERSONALLY SELECTED FOR THAT BY JACKIE KENNEDY, THE LOUVRE PYRAMID IN PARIS AND THE EAST BUILDING OF THE NATIONAL GALLERY IN WASHINGTON. BOLD FORMS, REFINED, CONCRETE, KNOWN FLINCHING MONITORS AND PLACE. DALLAS CITY HALL FIRMLY IS ONE OF THE EARLIEST EXAMPLES OF THIS EXTRAORDINARY BODY OF WORK. ARCHITECTURALLY DALLAS CITY HALL IS A CRI CRITICALLY SIGNIFICANT EXAMPLE. I BETTER LOOK SMART THAN, [02:45:01] UH, UH, CRITICALLY SIGNIFICANT EXAMPLE OF BRUTALISM, A MODERNIST STYLE OF THE MID 20TH CENTURY CHARACTERIZED BY HONEST USE OF CONCRETE MINIMALIST FORMS AND A LACK OF DECORATION. THE IMPORTANCE OF BRUTALISM CANNOT BE UNDERSTATED AS IT DOMINATED ARCHITECTURE IN THE POSTWAR ERA. MANY EXAMPLES WERE DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED ACROSS THE US INCLUDING NUMEROUS FEDERAL BUILDINGS IN WASHINGTON DC AND THE ICONIC BOSTON CITY HALL IN 1968. FURTHER, DALLAS CITY HALL CANNOT BE CONSIDERED WITHOUT THE CONTEXT OF THE PLAZA. DESIGNED BY NOTED LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT DAN , THE EXPECT EXPANSIVE DESIGN OF THE PLAZA ECHOES MUCH IN MR. KILEY'S SIGNIFICANT WORK ELSEWHERE, INCLUDING THE AIR FORCE ACADEMY IN COLORADO SPRINGS AND THE GATEWAY ARCH PARK IN ST. LOUIS. WHILE MODERN ARCHITECTURE, INCLUDING BRUTALISM, HAS UNDERGONE MUCH SCRUTINY SINCE THE 20TH CENTURY, INCLUDING RECENT DIRECTIVES FROM THE WHITE HOUSE TO DO AWAY WITH THE STYLE OF PUBLIC STRUCTURES, WHICH WE DID NOT SUPPORT. IT HAS ALSO UNDERGONE A REEVALUATION WITH A REVIVAL AND APPRECIATION AND A WIDE SPAN OF CIRCLES, INCLUDING ACADEMIA, THE ARCHITECTURAL PROFESSION, THE MEDIA AND POPULAR CULTURE, INCLUDING AN OSCAR NOMINATED FILM AT NAMED THE POODLES, WHICH DID NOT WIN LAST TIME, BUT, BUT NEVERTHELESS, GOOD MOVE. AND BOSTON CITY HALL WAS MADE A BOSTON LANDMARK EARLIER THIS YEAR. DALLAS IS FORTUNATE TO HAVE SUCH A FINE EXAMPLE OF THE BRUTALIST STYLE DESIGNED BY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ARCHITECTS OF OUR TIME. IT WAS TRULY A VISIONARY PROJECT THAT TRANSFORMED HOW PEOPLE INTERACTED WITH GOVERNMENT IN DALLAS AND HAS BECOME ONE OF THE MOST RECOGNIZABLE ICONS IN CITY HALLS IN OUR COUNTRY. IT IS NATIONALLY SIGNIFICANT AND WE RESPECTFULLY URGE YOU TO RECOGNIZE A SINGULAR PLACE IN ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY. EXCUSE ME, SIR, THAT IS YOUR TIME. OKAY. BY INITIATING THE DESIGNATION HEAD TO DOWN LANDMARK. OKAY. YOU DOESN'T NEED MORE. I'M OUT. YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER ROTTENBERG . SURE. IF THE COMMISSION, UH, WILL GIMME THE PLEASURE. I'D LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY I BROUGHT THIS FORWARD. AND, UH, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I TAKE LIGHTLY ON SOMETHING THAT WAS ON A WHIM AND WHY IT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY. SO I FELT THAT I NEEDED TO JUSTIFY WHY I DID THIS. I WANTED TO SAY THAT FIRST OF ALL, ONE OF MY FAVORITE KINDS OF BUILDINGS ARE THESE KIND OF PUBLIC STRUCTURES THAT REPRESENT THE VERY BEST OF THEIR DAY AND REPRESENT WHAT THE COMMUNITY SAW AS THE BEST IN THEIR DAY. I'VE ALWAYS HAD A PASSION FOR THAT AS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE RAISED BY, UH, IN A FAMILY THAT WAS ACTIVE IN, IN A COMMUNITY, A GRANDFATHER, A ROAMED, A COURTHOUSE GROWING UP DOWN IN SOUTHEAST TEXAS THROUGH THE SUMMERS. THEY JUST MEAN A LOT TO ME. AND, UH, AS I HAVE SPENT MORE TIME IN THIS BUILDING OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS AS A A COMMISSIONER HERE, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO APPRECIATE IT MORE. AND SO WE'VE ALREADY READ A LOT OF THE, UM, CRITERIA AS TO WHY IT SHOULD BE, UH, DEEMED A LANDMARK. CONSIDER IT A LANDMARK. BUT I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH AGAIN, JUST FOR THE RECORD, SO THAT IT IS ON THE RECORD FROM A COMMISSIONER AS TO WHY WE FEEL THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT. I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF. OF COURSE. PRIMARY, ONE OF THE PRIMARY, UM, POINTS REGARDING THIS BUILDING, NO PUN INTENDED, OF COURSE, IS THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. BUT THEN I THINK SOME OF, UH, ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT, UH, ISSUES IS THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT BROUGHT ABOUT ITS CREATION. AND I THINK IF WE LOOK BACK TO THE TUMULTUOUS SIXTIES AND WHEN THIS BUILDING CAME ABOUT, UM, AND, UH, WHAT DALLAS WAS TRYING TO ACHIEVE BY CREATING THIS BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTING IT, ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING THINGS THAT I DON'T, I, MAYBE I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO'S SO FASCINATED BY THIS, I BROUGHT IT UP TO SOME FOLKS, AND MAYBE Y'ALL CAN THINK I'M CRAZY, BUT THE FACT THAT ONE ARCHITECT HAD THE RESPONSIBILITY OF DESIGNING ONE BUILDING IN DALLAS AND A SIMILAR BUILDING OR ANOTHER BUILDING IN BOSTON. ONE WAS TO PERPETUATE PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S MEMORY AND ONE WAS TO TRY TO OVERCOME IT. AND I THINK THAT HAS TO BE ONE OF THE MOST INCREDIBLE THINGS THAT I'VE READ ABOUT THIS BUILDING. AND IT'S TIED TO AMERICAN HISTORY. OF COURSE, THERE HAVE BEEN MANY SIGNIFICANT PERSONS INVOLVED. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT MR. JOHNSON. THE ARCHITECTURE, OF COURSE, IS OF A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD. IT'S A NEW FORM OF ARCHITECTURE THAT HAS NOT BEEN APPRECIATED AS MUCH IN RECENT YEARS. BUT UNDER REEVALUATION, WE'RE NOW RECOGNIZING IT'S IMPORTANCE. UM, YOU CAN, UH, I WILL SAY IT IS QUITE POETIC THAT, UH, THE NIGHT BEFORE WE WOULD CONSIDER THIS, UH, A FILM CALLED THE BRUTALIST. IT ULTIMATELY DID WIN SOME ACADEMY AWARDS, DIDN'T WIN THE PICTURE OF THE YEAR, BUT STILL THAT'S, UH, QUITE A POETIC JUSTICE FOR THIS [02:50:01] BUILDING. UH, THIS BUILDING'S WON SEVERAL AWARDS, 25 YEAR AWARD FROM THE TEXAS SOCIETY OF ARCHITECTS. IT JOINS THE RANKS OF SEVERAL IMPORTANT BUILDINGS IN OUR CITY, SUCH AS FOUNTAIN PLACE, NORTH PARK CENTER, AND TEMPLE EMMANUEL. ALL MODERN MASTERPIECES IN THEIR OWN WAY. AND OF COURSE, WE'VE ALREADY SPOKEN A LOT ABOUT IM PAY. UH, I CANNOT FIND ANY MAJOR COMMISSION OF HIS THAT HAVE BEEN LOST TO HISTORY YET. I HOPE THAT DALLAS DOES NOT HAVE THE DISTINCTION OF BEING THE FIRST. UH, I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF SINGING WITH THE DALLAS SYMPHONY CHORUS. I HARKEN HIS OTHER BUILDING, UH, ACROSS DOWNTOWN. UH, AND I'VE ROAMED I HAVE TO SAY, EVERY SQUARE INCH OF THE MYERSON SYMPHONY CENTER. I'VE HAD THAT PRIVILEGE, AND IT'S JUST FASCINATING TO SEE THAT BUILDING UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL ON A WEEKLY BASIS. I'LL ACTUALLY BE HEADING THERE AFTER THIS MEETING A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN, OF COURSE, I'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED, UH, UNIQUE VISUAL FEATURES. SO I'VE BEEN KIND OF GIVING CANNED RESPONSES AS TO WHY I BROUGHT THIS UP. AND I'LL JUST KEEP IT BRIEF ON WHY I BROUGHT THIS TO THE COMMISSION'S ATTENTION. I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF SERVING ON A BOND SUBCOMMITTEE FOR PARKS AND OPEN SPACE DURING THE 2024 BOND PROCESS. AND DURING THAT TIME, I WAS WATCHING ALL THE OTHER POTENTIAL PROJECTS THAT WERE COMING BEFORE THE DIFFERENT SUBCOMMITTEES. AND I WAS WATCHING CRITICAL FACILITIES. OF COURSE, I THINK AS A LANDMARK COMMISSIONER AND AS AN URBAN PLANNER MYSELF, THAT'S A APPROPRIATE THING TO DO. I WAS CURIOUS AS A CITIZEN. AND THIS BUILDING, UH, DID SEEM TO HAVE SOME SUPPORT ALONG THE WAY OF EXPENDING SOME FUNDS, UH, TO HELP SUPPORT AND MAINTAIN IT. AND ULTIMATELY, IN THE END, I'M NOT, I DON'T WANNA SOUND LIKE I'M ACCUSING ANYONE, BUT JUST FOR SOME REASON, UH, IT ENDED UP GETTING NO MONEY IN THE END, IN THE 2024 BOND ELECTION, $0 WENT TO THIS BUILDING, WHICH IS, UH, REALLY A, A TRAVESTY IF WE CONSIDER ITS IMPORTANCE. AND THERE SEEMED TO BE SUPPORT FOR ALONG THE WAY. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY, WHAT CHANGED? UM, BUT THAT'S REALLY THE MAIN REASON WHY I'M BRINGING IT TO YOU TODAY. I FEEL THAT THIS, UH, COMMISSION CAN, UH, START THE CONVERSATION AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT I, WHAT I WANTED TO DO WITH THIS. I'D ALSO LIKE TO REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT GOAL 1.4 OF THE CITY OF DALLAS HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION STRATEGY STATES, AND I QUOTE, LEVERAGE PUBLIC PARKS AND BUILDINGS AS VEHICLES FOR REMEMBERING DALLAS' HISTORY. UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE, UH, COMMITTED TO AS A CITY WITH OUR NEW PRESERVATION POLICY. IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD, SHOULD CONSIDER FOR ANY MAJOR BUILDING THAT WE OWN, AND THAT IT WAS TIME TO DO IT FOR THIS BUILDING. OF COURSE, WE'VE ALREADY HEARD IT STATED THAT BOSTON CITY HALL, OUR BRUTALIST COUNTERPART, UH, RECEIVED A DESIGNATION ALSO QUITE POETICALLY, UH, IN, I BELIEVE IT WAS LATE JANUARY, THAT BUILDING OF COURSE, SET AMONGST A SEA OF EARLY AMERICAN ARCHITECTURE STEPS FROM THE BOSTON MASSACRE. UH, BOSTON DECIDED TO RECOGNIZE THIS, UH, DISTINCTIVE FORM OF ARCHITECTURE, UH, AND DID NOT CAST IT ASIDE IN, UM, UH, AND, UM, REGARD OTHER FORMS OF ARCHITECTURE MORE IN COURT, YOU COULD SAY. UH, BETWEEN THAT AND THE OSCAR NOMINATION ISSUE, UH, BRUTALISM ISS HAVING A GREAT START TO 2025, I HOPE TO CONTINUE THE TREND. SO, UH, HERE I HAVE A LETTER FROM IAN BADER, WHO WAS A LONGTIME PARTNER OF PAY HUB FREE AND PARTNERS. HE WORKED WITH MR. PAY PERSONALLY ON THE MYERSON, THE LOUV, AND OTHER PROJECTS. I DON'T WANNA READ THE WHOLE THING. YOU'RE WELCOME TO LOOK AT IT ON YOUR OWN. BUT A FEW QUOTES FROM HIM ARE, UH, AS FOLLOWS. THE DALLAS CITY HALL IS A RARE EXAMPLE OF A COMPLETE FUSION BETWEEN ARCHITECTURAL FORM, CIVIC PURPOSE, AND PRACTICAL NECESSITY. IT IS AN IMPORTANT AND AUTHENTIC MANIFESTATION OF THE BOLD AND OPTIMISTIC SPIRIT OF ERROR IN WHICH IT WAS CONCEIVED IN THE PLACE, IN IT WAS IN THE PLACE IN WHICH IT WAS BILLED WITH ITS EXTRAORDINARY PROFILE, ITS PRIMARY FACADE, CANTED OUT OVER THE REMARKABLE PUBLIC PLAZA. THE BUILDING ASSERTS BOTH ITS CIVIC PURPOSE AND SHELTERING FUNCTION. IT'S WITHOUT RESERVATION THAT I AND VADER SUPPORT THE DESIGNATION OF DALLAS CITY HALL AS A LANDMARK WORTHY OF PRESERVATION. THIS IS THE PEOPLE'S BUILDING. IT'S, IT'S THE BUILDING THAT REPRESENTS THE SEAT OF THE GOVERNMENT AND WHAT WE DO. I HOPE THAT, UM, ALL RESIDENTS CAN COME AND APPRECIATE IT. THIS IS WHERE THEY CAN COME BE SEEN, HEARD, LISTENED TO, AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN ALL, UM, RATHER FIGHT CITY HALL. I HOPE WE CAN FIGHT FOR IT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER. COMMISSIONER PREZI, OSI. YES, I WANNA THANK, UH, COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER FOR, UH, TAKING THE INITIATIVE TO, UH, BEGIN THIS PROCESS OF HOPEFULLY DESIGNATING THIS BUILDING AS A CITY OF DALLAS LANDMARK. IT'S SORT OF A, A LOVE HATE BUILDING FOR MANY PEOPLE, UH, IN DALLAS. THEY EITHER REALLY, REALLY LOVE THE ARCHITECTURE OR THEY REALLY HATE IT. UM, AND WE'RE HOPING TO MAKE, BRING MORE PEOPLE ONTO THE OTHER LOVE SIDE OF IT AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS. IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, I THINK FOR, UM, US IN THE CITY TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS BUILDING. UH, AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK, UM, UH, MR. TAPSCOTT [02:55:01] AND MR. MCFE FOR COMING HERE TO SPEAK, UH, IN SUPPORT OF THIS, UH, INITIATION OF THE DESIGNATION PROCESS. I THINK IT'S AMAZING THAT WE HAVE DOOMO NATIONAL COMING TO OR SUBMITTING A LETTER TO US ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS BUILDING NATIONALLY. 'CAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO THINK MORE THAN JUST DALLAS, THAT THIS BUILDING IS, IS IMPORTANT ON THE NATIONAL SCHEME OF, OF THE BRUTALIST MOVEMENT. AND FOR THOSE THAT MAY NOT KNOW BRUTALISM DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE BUILDING IS BRUTAL. IT COMES FROM BAYAN BREW, WHICH MEANS RAW CONCRETE . SO THE, THE BUILDING IS NOT BRUTAL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE BRUTALIST STYLE. SO, UM, AND THEN ALSO WAS MENTIONED, UM, IS THE PLAZA, WHICH IS I THINK IS, IS VERY IMPORTANT, UH, TO THIS BUILDING. THEY WERE DESIGNED TO GO TOGETHER AND I, YOU KNOW, I WANNA SEE THAT THE PLAZA IS, UM, IS PROTECTED AS WELL AS PART OF THIS PROCESS AS WELL AS, AS THE BUILDING. 'CAUSE THEY ARE INTEGRATED AND SERVE REALLY AS ONE. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME TALK ABOUT REDEVELOPING A PLAZA WITH OTHER BUILDINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, UM, I THINK THIS INITIATING THIS DESIGNATION PROCESS WILL HELP TO MAKE, ENSURE THAT, UM, WHATEVER HAPPENS TO THIS BUILDING AND THE PLAZA WILL, WILL KEEP THE HISTORIC CHARACTER, UH, INTACT. SO I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF, UH, INITIATING THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR CITY HALL DALLAS CITY HALL. ANYONE ELSE? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. I'D LIKE TO SAY I'VE BEEN HERE A WHILE AND I CAME TO CITY HALL AS A CITY EMPLOYEE WHEN IT WAS SIX YEARS OLD. SO I GUESS THAT'S, GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT THAT BACKGROUND ON THAT. BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY ALL THE, THE ORIGINAL INTERIORS ALWAYS KIND OF COOL. ONE THING PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IT'S GOT THESE METAL ON THESE HOLES AND YOU CAN SCREW WITH THINGS IN THE HANG THINGS THAT'S HANG THINGS ON THE WALL. UM, ALSO, PRINCE CHARLES LOOKED OUT MY WINDOW ONE DAY AND PRINCE CHARLES CAME TO VISIT. THAT WAS KIND OF COOL. WE CAME IN HIS OWN JAGUAR, BUT THEY BROUGHT FROM LONDON FOR HIM. AND WE CAN PUT THAT INTO THE, THE STORY THAT CHARLES CAME TO VISIT THE MAYOR AT ONE TIME. BUT IT'S A GREAT BUILDING. I I ENJOY IT VERY MUCH. I'M STILL COMING BACK, SO THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. UM, I, I I AM SORRY THAT THERE WAS NO ONE AVAILABLE FROM THE CITY TO COME AND VOICE ANY THOUGHTS OR CONSIDERATIONS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THIS NOMINATION. UM, BUT IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR ANYONE TO ARGUE THAT IT'S NOT ARCHITECTURALLY IMPORTANT BUILDING FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN NAMED ON THE SIDE OF YOU. LOVE IT OR YOU HATE IT. I, I, I DON'T EXACTLY LOVE THIS BUILDING AS YOU THINK IT'S PRETTY, BUT I RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S STRIKING AND NEITHER OF THAT MATTERS BECAUSE WHAT MATTERS IS THAT IT IS ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT BY A MASTER ARCHITECT. AND ALL KINDS OF IMPORTANT THINGS HAVE HAPPENED HERE AND LOTS OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO AREN'T ME LIKE IT A LOT. AND THAT'S MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR ME TO SAY THAT WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO GO AHEAD WITH INITIATION. SO, BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT A MOTION. SO IF I MAY, UH, I MEAN, I DO HAVE A MOTION I'LL SAY, BUT I'D LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT JUST SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE AND BEING FAIR TO THE CITY AS TO WHAT A MAJOR BUILDING, UH, THIS IS AND, AND WHAT THIS MEANS IF WE INITIATE THIS. THANK YOU. UM, SO IN, IN MY RESEARCH OF THIS BUILDING, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT THE ARCHITECT INTENDED THAT ONE DAY THERE'D BE A FUTURE ANNEX AND, UH, TO THE SOUTH. AND I WOULD LIKE TO, IN FAIRNESS OF THE CITY AND THEIR DESIRE TO, UH, UH, POTENTIALLY CHANGE OR EXPAND THIS BUILDING OR SOMEHOW, UH, USE IT TO FURTHER EXTENT. SORRY, I'M A LITTLE DISTRACTED. UH, I'D LIKE TO NOT PROTECT THE SOUTH FACADE IF POSSIBLE, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND WE COULD DO THAT, UH, IN THE FUTURE IN THE DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE. AND SECONDLY, ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS AND THE NEEDS OF THIS BUILDING, OR THE ISSUE OF THE LEAKING OF THE PLAZA AND THE WATER INTRUSION IN THE BUILDING. AND IF YOU LOOK ON THE NEEDS LIST, THIS IS PUBLIC INFORMATION NEEDS LIST FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS. THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT NEED OF THE POTENTIAL OF REBUILDING THE PLAZA TO WATERPROOF IT AND TO, UH, UH, CEASE THIS WATER FROM INTRUDING FOR THE SAFETY OF THE BUILDING LONG TERM. AND SO I THINK THOUGH THE PLAZA IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND SHOULD BE PRESERVED, THERE MAY BE A SITUATION WHERE IT HAS TO COME OUT FOR THE FU FOR THE BUILDING TO LITERALLY SURVIVE. AND SO I I, MY MOTION WILL INCLUDE SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, UH, FOR APPLAUSE, ANYTHING. SO, AND THEN, UH, THEN YEAH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE IT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER PER, SO I WANNA MAKE A, A COMMENT TO THAT AS A MEMBER OF THE, UH, DESIGNATION COMMITTEE. SO WE WILL, UM, IF THIS MOTION PASSES AND IT GETS TO THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE, WE WILL WORK WITH THE CITY ON DETERMINING WHAT CAN BE DONE TO THE PLAZA ADDITIONS TO THE BUILDING AND ALL THAT. SO WE WILL WORK THROUGH ALL THAT AND FIGURE [03:00:01] OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION IS FOR THAT. SO THOSE, THOSE ITEMS WILL ALL BE ADDRESSED AS PART OF THAT PROCESS. INDEED THEY WILL. THAT IS THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE'S WAY IS TO WORK WITH THE OWNER OF ANY PROPERTY THAT WE ARE WORKING. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, THEN, UH, SINCE I SAID MY PIECE REGARDING THOSE ITEMS, I'LL JUST KEEP THE MOTION SIMPLE. UH, I MOVE THAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION INITIATE THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR DALLAS CITY HALL, KNOWN 1500 MARULA STREET, UH, AS PRESENTED. SECOND, SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER POSI. THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? IT APPEARS THAT IT HAS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY AND THUS DALLAS CITY HALL IS INITIATED FOR THE PROCESS OF BECOMING A CITY LANDMARK. AND STAFF WILL PLEASE LET EVERYBODY WHO WORKS IN THE CITY OR ADMINISTRATES OR ADMINISTERS ANYTHING IN THE CITY KNOW THAT WE WILL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THESE DISCUSSIONS AND THEY'RE INVITED TO COME JOIN THE, JOIN OUR, THEY'VE ALREADY RECEIVED AN INVITE TO OUR MARCH 19TH DESIGNATION COMMITTEE. OKAY. JUST MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THEY ARE WELL AWARE SO THAT THEY CAN PREPARE, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME. MM-HMM . MADAM CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER SP I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE REARRANGE THE AGENDA TO ACCOMMODATE DISCUSSION ITEM ONE, NOW THAT WE HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL IN PERSON WHO WOULD SPEAK ON IT. OKAY. SO YOU WISH TO MOVE THAT BEFORE C EIGHT? YES. OKAY. COMMISSIONER RES A SECONDED. UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. DD ONE IS MOVING BEFORE C EIGHT. UM, ALL RIGHT THEN THE MOTION IS CARRIED. SO WE'LL NEXT HEAR D ONE. SO STAFF. OKAY, THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF. DISCUSSION ITEM D ONE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 2214 EUGENE STREET IN THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER PRE DESIGNATION MORATORIUM. THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 45 DASH 2 73 RD. THE REQUEST IS FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A TWO CAR DETACHED GARAGE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A TWO CAR DETACHED GARAGE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 1 27 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE THAT A FASCIA OR FREEZE BOARD BE ADDED TO ALL, ALL ELEVATIONS, INCLUDING ABOVE THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS, MINIMUM HEIGHT EIGHT INCHES, PREFERABLY CEDAR, UH, TWO THAT WINDOWS BE ALUMINUM FRAMED WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION, ONE OVER ONE NO GRILL. AND THREE, THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE OF BRUSH FINISHED. CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBDIVISION, D FIVE B FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH A TWO CAR ATTACHED GARAGE BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT A FREEZE BOARD BE INSTALLED ABOVE PORCH COLUMNS AND THAT RAFTER TAILS BE EXPOSED TO CABLE OVERHANGS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE OUR REGISTERED SPEAKER. ARE YOU TRACY WILLIAMS? YES. OKAY. IS THE, IS THE LIGHT ON, ON YOUR MICROPHONE? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. SO PLEASE START BY GIVING ME YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND, UM, YOU ARE, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU'LL TELL THE TRUTH? YES. MY NAME IS TRACY WILLIAMS. MY ADDRESS IS 1829 RIVER RUN DRIVE, CEDAR HILL, TEXAS. UM, AND I DO SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH. OKAY, SIR. SO YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO, UM, TELL US WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO TELL US THAT WILL HELP US UNDERSTAND YOUR REQUEST. THANK YOU. UM, JUST TO THE TASK FORCE, I APPRECIATE YOU FOR, UM, REVIEWING THE REVISED SET OF PLANS. WE, UH, PRESENTED THIS PROPOSAL, UM, ABOUT ONE MONTH AGO, AND WE ARE JUST SEEKING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, SO, UM, WE CAN CONTINUE OUR EFFORTS TO, UH, PROVIDE NEW HOUSING IN, UH, QUEEN CITY. [03:05:01] ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS OR CONCERNS EXPRESSED AS QUESTIONS? OKEY DOKIE. COMMISSIONER AU I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS ON REGARDING THE FRONT PORCH AND, UH, AND SOME OF IT'S PROPORTIONS. AND SO SOME OF THESE MIGHT COME OUT AS QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, I'LL JUST START THE, UM, THE WINDOWS, THE WAY THAT THEY'RE PAIRED ON EITHER SIDE, BETWEEN THE, THE, UM, BETWEEN THE FOUR COLUMNS, UH, LOOKS AS IF THEY'RE CROWDED. AND IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN, THE WELL, THERE WEREN'T DIMENSIONS ON THE PORCH COLUMNS NOR ON THE WINDOW PLACEMENT, UH, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT THE, THE TWO WINDOWS OR THE GANG WINDOWS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE BE PLACED IN THE CENTER OF THE, THE ROOM THAT'S BEHIND THEM. UH, AND THEN CONSEQUENTLY, THE, THE SPACING BETWEEN THE, THOSE TWO COLUMNS WOULD, WOULD BE CENTERED ON THE WINDOW TWO, SORRY. UH, WHICH MAY MEAN THAT THE CENTER SPACING AT THE DOOR GETS A LITTLE NARROWER, WHICH IS FINE, UH, AS LONG AS IT'S, UH, SYMMETRICAL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO IT, IT'S BASICALLY ADJUSTING SOME OF THOSE PROPORTIONS SINCE I COULDN'T TELL THERE WEREN'T THAT, NONE OF IT WAS DIMENSION. I WAS JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE, AT THE PROPORTIONS. UH, SECOND OF ALL, TYPICALLY THERE'S A, THERE'S A HEADER. UM, IT'S NOT AT THE HEIGHT, IT'S NOT AT THE PLATE HEIGHT. IT, IT'LL COME DOWN BELOW THAT. IT'S AS IF IT'S A, THE HEADER OVER THE WINDOW. UM, SO IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN IT APPEARS RIGHT NOW IN THAT FRONT ELEVATION. UM, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, YOU WERE SHOWING, OR YOU'RE INTENDING THAT THE, UM, UH, THAT THE SOFFITS BE, UH, OPEN RAFTERS. IS THAT CORRECT? OR ARE THEY CLOSED? THEY'RE OPEN, YES, THEY'RE OPEN. SO, UM, SO THAT, THAT BOTTOM LINE WOULD NOT CONNECT TO THE LINE. IT WOULD, YOU'D HAVE A, A VERTICAL FIRST AND THEN YOU'D HAVE A, A BEAM AND THEN THE RAPTORS STICK OUT PAST THAT. UH, UH, SO THEN I WAS ALSO TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT PLANE THAT FRONT GABLE IS IN, IF IT'S IN FACT AT THE COLUMNS ITSELF, IT THEMSELVES, BECAUSE IF IT IS, THEN THE RAKE STICKS OUT FARTHER, WHICH IS THE OVERHANG OF THE ROOF STICKS OUT FARTHER THAN THE PLANE OF THE, OF THE TRIANGLE ITSELF, THE GABLE, WHICH THEN WOULD MEAN THAT YOU WOULD PROBABLY ADD, UH, BRACKETS TO IT. AND WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS TO LINE THEM UP, UM, DIRECTLY OVER THE COLUMNS THEMSELVES. UM, THAT'S THE FRONT PORCH. UH, I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND, UM, LIFTING, I, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT EARLIER ON ONE OF THE OTHER HOMES, UH, WITH A NINE FOOT PLATE, UM, SETTING THE WINDOWS DOWN AT SEVEN FEET OR SIX, EIGHT MIGHT FEEL, UH, A LITTLE LIKE THE, THE HEADER'S TOO LARGE. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND EITHER RISING THOSE UP TO SEVEN, SIX OR EIGHT FEET, UM, TO HELP FILL IN THAT, THAT GAP. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UH, SO ANY COMMENT UPON THOSE SUGGESTIONS, WHETHER THOSE ARE SOMETHING THAT'S VIABLE FOR YOU TO DO OR YOU HAVE A REASON FOR NOT DOING ONE OF IT? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING OPPOSING IT. UM, IT WAS OUR INTENTION AND OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT AS PRESENTED, IT STILL WOULD BE WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF BEING APPROPRIATE. UM, ARE, ARE, ARE YOU SUGGESTING I GUESS THAT THAT'S THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I HAVE. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, ONE THING THAT I NOTICED THAT I'M NOT SURE WAS COVERED WAS THAT THERE SHOULD BE A, A, A HEAVIER, UH, FASCIA BOARD OR BEAM EXPRESSION BETWEEN THE, ABOVE THE COLUMNS. THERE'S SOMETHING THERE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT LIGHT, BUT IT NEEDS TO HAVE SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE MASSIVE SO THAT THE, UH, ROOF LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEING SUPPORTED. THANK YOU. I FOLLOW UP. SO WHEN THAT BEAM, UH, WHEN THE HEADER BEAM COMES DOWN, THAT WILL IN EFFECT, UH, ADD THAT, UH, DEEPER, UH, FREEZE CONDITION, I SUPPOSE, UM, AS A, WHAT YOU WOULD CALL IT. UM, ALSO, AND I THINK THIS WAS MENTIONED IN THE CONDITIONS, UM, BY STAFF, BUT ON THE EXTERIOR RIGHT ELEVATION, YOU WOULD SEE THAT, UM, UM, THAT FREEZE BOARD WRAPPING AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT GABLE TO, SO IN OTHER WORDS, WHERE THAT LINE STARTS AT THE PORCH ON THE, UM, BY THE, THE DOOR THAT WOULD, THAT LINE WOULD CONTINUE OVER TO ME TO BASICALLY CREATE, UH, COMPLETE THAT GABLE END. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. YEAH. I JUST WANNA THANK YOU. YOU DID A REALLY GOOD JOB. THERE'S JUST SMALL DETAILS GONNA MAKE THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE COME TOGETHER, BUT THIS IS VERY [03:10:01] A VERY GOOD APPLICATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH, I TOTALLY AGREE. ALRIGHT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANT? IF WE ARE DONE WITH QUESTIONS, THEN WE KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS AND YOU MUST, I HAVE A MOTION. A MOTION. OKAY, GOOD. I HARDLY EVEN HAD TO ASK . JUST GOTTA GET THE RIGHT NUMBER. LET'S SEE WHERE YOU WANT. ONE SECOND PLEASE. YEAH, I GOT IT. UM, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 1 22 14 EUGENE STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS CA 2 45 DASH, UH, 2 73 RD. THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF THAT WE APPROVE FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE, UM, ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT, UH, WHERE SHOULD I START? UM, WE RAISE THE HEIGHT OF THE WINDOWS TO SEVEN FEET, SIX INCHES, UH, RE PROPORTION THE, THE COLUMNS, UM, SO THAT THE, THEY ARE CENTERED ON THE WINDOWS, WHICH ARE CENTERED ON THE, THE ROOMS BEHIND THEM THAT, UM, AN ADDITIONAL FREEZE BOARD BE ADDED ON THE EXTERIOR ELEVATION ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UH, TO COMPLETE THE, THE GABLE END AND THAT WE ADD FOUR BRACKETS ALIGNING WITH THE COLUMNS, UH, ON THE FRONT ELEVATION. OKAY. WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT FROM COMMISSIONER RE, YOU WERE DONE OR WEREN'T YOU? YES, I WAS DONE. OKAY. , SO WE HAVE A MOTION. MOTION READS A SECONDED ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, THEN I WILL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES. THAT YES. YEAH. ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? IT APPEARS THAT NO ONE IS OPPOSED, SO IT HAS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. I, UH, SO YOU, YOU ARE READY TO GO, . AWESOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH MADAM CHAIR. UH, COMMISSIONER POLICY DISCUSSION ITEM TWO DIRECTLY RELATES TO DISCUSSION ITEM ONE. YEAH. WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY OVERLOOKED. THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE FEE REIMBURSEMENT. MM-HMM . SO MY FIRST RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE, UH, UH, TAKE THE AGENDA OUT OF ORDER AND ADDRESS DISCUSSION ITEM TWO. YES. AND DO WE ALL AGREE WITH THIS, LISA? YES. YES, YES. MY QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY IS, UH, LAST TIME WE GRANTED THE $500 REIMBURSEMENT BECAUSE HE RECEIVED A DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE. SO WE WOULD GRANT THIS ONE BECAUSE HE HAD TO PAY A NEW FEE WHEN HE FILED. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. GOT IT. ALRIGHT. SO IT'S JUST A REIMBURSEMENT OF THE FEE JUST BECAUSE OF, UH, FINANCIAL HARDSHIP. SO IT COULD BE APPROVED OR DENIED. OKAY. OR FOR ANY REASON, JUST AS LONG AS THE FINANCIAL HARDSHIP WAS THERE. GOT IT. SO I MOVE THAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION IN REGARDS TO ITEM CA, DISCUSSION ITEM 2 22 14, JEAN STREET, CA 2 4 5 2 7 3 RD ON APPLICATION OF JASON BROWN. GRANT THE REQUEST TO REIMBURSE, UH, FOR REIMBURSEMENT OF THE FILING FEES TO BE PAID IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE REQUEST FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION FEES BY THIS APPLICANT. BECAUSE OUR EVALUATION OF THE PROPERTY AND TESTIMONY SHOWS THAT THE PAYMENT OF THE FEE WOULD RESULT IN SUBSTANTIAL FINANCIAL HARDSHIP TO THIS APPLICANT. SECOND, I GUESS THE, THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER REEVES. AGAIN, EVERYBODY'S GONNA KNOW HOW TO SPELL HER NAME ON THOSE MOTION CHIEFS THAT WE FILL OUT. UH, IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, IT IS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. SO NOW SMILE EVEN BIGGER AND YOU TOO GO. OKAY, THANK YOU ALLALL. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE TOO. WE HOPE TO RETURN, UH, SOON. ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S D ONE AND D TWO. NOW DO WE GO BACK AND DO C EIGHT? OKAY, LET'S DO C EIGHT. ITEM C EIGHT IS 48 14 SWISS AVENUE IN THE PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION NEIGHBORHOOD. HISTORIC DISTRICT C 2 45 DASH 2 57 MW. AND I'M MARCUS WATSON. PRESENTING REQUEST NUMBER ONE IS FOR A CERTIFICATE, EXCUSE ME, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL TWO MAPLE TREES IN THE FRONT YARD. ITEM NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL PLANTING BEDS AND BOX WHICH SHRUBBERY IN THE FRONT YARD. ITEM NUMBER THREE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL FOUR TOPIARY BUSHES IN THE FRONT YARD. STAFF RECOMMENDATION ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL TWO MAPLE TREES IN THE FRONT YARD BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS DATED 1 15 25. THE PROPOSED PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS IN PRESERVATION CRITERIA 2.6, CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD. ITEM NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL PLANTING BEDS AND BOXWOOD SHRUBBERY IN THE FRONT YARD BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE [03:15:01] WITH MATERIALS DATED 1 15 25 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE BOXWOOD HEDGES BE MAINTAINED AT A HEIGHT OF NO MORE THAN THREE FEET. IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS IN PRESERVATION. CRITERION 2.6, CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD ITEM NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL FOUR TOPIARY BUSHES IN THE FRONT YARD BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS DATED 1 15 25. THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS IN PRESERVATION. CRITERION 2.6, CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ONE FOR CONSERVATING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL TWO MAPLE TREES IN THE FRONT YARD BE APPROVED OF THE CONDITION THAT BOTH TREES BE EITHER MAPLES OR LIVE OAKS. NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL PLANTING BEDS AND BOXWOOD SHRUBBERY IN THE FRONT YARD BE APPROVED WITH CONDITION THAT BOXWOOD SHRUBS BE MAINTAINED AT THREE FEET IN HEIGHT OR UNDER AS NOT TO DISTRACT FROM THE VISUAL ASPECT OF THE HOUSE. NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL FOUR TOPIARY BUSHES IN THE FRONT YARD BE DENIED TOPIARIES ARE NOT APPROPRIATE, THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE. THANK YOU. AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE MANAGED TO GET A SPEAKER TO COME AND TO DISCUSS THIS ISSUE WITH US. SO COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? YES, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE TOPIARIES. IS THERE A, A SIZE OR A HEIGHT ON THOSE? UM, THEY ARE, I'M GUESSING, I DON'T THINK THAT IT WAS SPELLED OUT, BUT I'M GUESSING THEY'RE AT ABOUT PROBABLY FOUR TO FIVE FEET. THEY ARE, UH, TWO OF 'EM WERE SPIRAL AND TWO OF 'EM WERE POMPOM. I DON'T REALLY SEE TOPI AREAS IN OLD EAST DALLAS. YOU ON UPPER SWISS AVENUE. THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT, SO I WOULD HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THAT. SO I KIND OF BROUGHT IT UP, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY A TOPIARY KIND OF STREET, SO THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION. OH, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN. OH, GO AHEAD. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR I HAVE A MOTION. WOULD YOU LIKE TO FIGHT? I, NO, I'M HAPPY TO THROW MINE OUT THERE JUST TO TEST THE WATER, SEE WHAT THE GROUP SAYS. SINCE MR. ANDERSON HAS TURNED HIS MICROPHONE OFF. I'M SURE HE TRUSTS YOU TOO. DOES HE? SHE DOES THE GOOD HEAVEN . I WAS KIDDING ABOUT THE FIGHTING BY THE WAY, IN THE MATTER CA 2 45 DASH 2 57 NW 48 14 SWISS AVENUE. I MOVE TO APPROVE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BOTH ITEMS ONE AND TWO FOR THE REASON STATED THE CRITERIA REFERENCED IN THE STANDARD CITED. UM, HOWEVER, UH, I MOVE TO DENY ITEM NUMBER THREE PER TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE ARIES ARE NOT APPROPRIATE TO THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE. WOULD YOU SAY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT AND THE PROPERTY? WOULD I SAY THAT I'D BE HAPPY TO ADD THAT. AND I SO DO AND I WAS SO SECONDED WITH THAT CHANGE. ALRIGHT, SO COMMISSIONER ANDERSON GOT TO SECOND IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER REEVES. HONESTLY, THAT WAS A FLAT OUT THE N IT'S A PLAIN AND SIMPLE. OKAY. UM, ALL RIGHTY THEN. ANY DISCUSSION OF THAT OR ANYTHING OTHER EFFECT? ALRIGHT. I, I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I DID DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE, JUST IN CASE THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD ARGUMENT FOR THIS DOES ALLOW THEM TO COME BACK AND MAKE THEIR REALLY GOOD ARGUMENT. BUT IF I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO IS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, WE, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE VOTE ON THIS. OKAY. MADAM CHAIR, I MIGHT ADD THAT, UM, IF IT ISN'T SPECIFIED AND, UM, SINCE IT'S BECOME BEFORE THE THE COMMISSION, IT WOULD BE A, UM, WITH PREJUDICE. YEAH. SO IT SEEMS TO BE WHERE WE'RE GOING, WHAT YOU WANTED. OKAY. ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. OH, OKAY. WE HAVE TWO IN OPPOSITION. ANYONE AT HOME OPPOSE IT AND I FAILED TO NOTICE. APPARENTLY NOT. ALL RIGHT. THAT MEANS THE MOTION DOES CARRY AND OF COURSE, UM, STAFF WILL LET THE APPLICANT KNOW THAT SINCE THERE WAS A DENIAL IN THERE, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROCEED WITH, UM, WITH THEIR APPEAL IF [03:20:01] THEY WISH. AND EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS. HI, THIS COMMISSIONER FALLACY AND ROTHENBERGER. OKAY, NOW WE ARE READY FOR D SIX, D SIX. ITEM D SIX IS LOCATED AT 46 15 JUTH STREET IN THE PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 45 DASH 2 56 MW. I'M MARCUS WATSON. PRESENTING REQUEST NUMBER ONE IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE. REQUEST NUMBER TWO IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE REAR YARD. STAFF RECOMMENDATION ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 7 25 WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE WINDOWS AND DOORS ON THE SOUTHWEST AND NORTHEAST SIDES BE ALL WOOD WITH NO CLADDING, THAT THE SIDING WILL MATCH THE HISTORIC, UH, ONE 17 SIDING AND THAT ALL WINDOW AND DOOR TRIM MATCHED THE EXISTING TRIM ILE IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS AND PRESERVATION CRITERIA. 4.1, 4.2, 4.3 AND 4.4. CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH FOUR ONE G SIX C ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE REAR YARD BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED, DATED 2 7 25. THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS AND PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION SIX, CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION TO MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. A, REMOVE VINYL SIDING AND REPLACE REPAIR WOOD WITH WOOD. SIDING WITH ONE 17 PROFILE B TRIM ON WINDOWS MUST MATCH TRIM ON ORIGINAL WINDOWS C. ALL WINDOWS AND DOORS MUST BE WOOD. D WINDOWS MUST BE THE SAME SIZE AS THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS, EXCEPT THE SMALLER WINDOW ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION. E CONCRETE ON THE PORCH MUST BE BREAST FINISH. NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE REAR YARD BE APPROVED WITH THE FALLING CONDITIONS. A HIT ON GARAGE ROOF TO BE SIX 12 B GARAGE DOOR SUBMITTED, NOT BE USED. RECOMMEND DOOR WITH WITHOUT INSET PANELS THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE A CARRIAGE DOOR. EXAMPLES GIVEN TO APPLICANT. THANK YOU. AND WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS REQUEST. SO, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, GO AHEAD. OKAY. CASE CA 2 45 2 56 MW MW 45 16 JUNIOR STREET. FOLLOWING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE CON, UH, CHANGE TO THE, WITH THE CHANGES THAT THE, UH, PITCH IN THE GARAGE BE SIX OVER 12 AND THE GARAGE DOOR BE MORE LIKE A THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE APPLICANT WITH THE FINDING THAT THIS, UH, PROPERTY IS, UM, APPROPRIATE TO THE DISTRICT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND IS COMMISSIONER FOGLEMAN. ANY DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION. SO WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE. ALL ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES. YES. ALL ANY OPPOSED SAY NO. OKAY. IT APPEARS THAT IT HAS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. STAFF WILL PLEASE LET THE APPLICANT KNOW. AND I JUST, I MUST ASK THE ARCHITECTS ONE QUESTION. 'CAUSE I THOUGHT I COULD READ A FLOOR PLAN. I CAN'T FIGURE OUT ON THIS ONE. HOW DO YOU GET FROM THE FRONT TO THE BEDROOM WITHOUT GOING TO THE LAUNDRY ROOM OR SOMETHING? IT'S, THERE'S A, UH, THERE'S A DOOR IN THE KITCHEN. THERE'S AN OPENING IN THE KITCHEN TO THE, TO THE REAR HALL. OKAY. YOU'LL SHOW ME THAT IN A MINUTE. ALL, LET'S MOVE ON. , THE, THE SAME QUESTION CAME UP AT TASKFORCE . I, I DON'T KNOW HOW, UH, GO OUTSIDE. OKAY, NOW DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. OKAY. [03:25:03] THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF. DISCUSSION ITEM D SEVEN. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 10 25 EAST 11TH STREET AND THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD. HISTORIC DISTRICT CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 4 5 2 7 0 RD. THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL SOLAR PANELS OVER ENTIRETY OF ROOF ON MAIN BUILDING, UNAUTHORIZED WORK ON FRONT SLOPE OF ROOF STAFF. RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL SOLAR PANELS OVER ENTIRETY OF ROOF. OUR MAIN BUILDING, UNAUTHORIZED WORK ON FRONT SLOPE OF ROOF BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE. THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION, SECTION C UNDER ROOFS, THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODES. SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES OR ROMAN ONE RATHER FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION. NO QUORUM, NON-SUPPORTIVE. ALRIGHTY. RIGHTY. WELL THAT WAS SHORT ON THEIR, THEIR PART. UM, SO THERE IS NO ONE REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE. I WOULD LIKE FOR THE FIRST QUESTION TO HAVE, JUST FOR THE RECORD, TO HAVE OUR CITY ATTORNEY, I ASK HIM TO REITERATE FOR US HIS RESPONSE TO THE LETTER SUBMITTED TO THE MEMBERS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT REVIEW BOARD IS WHAT THEY CALLED US, ASSERTING THAT TEXAS LAW ALLOWS THEM THESE, THESE PANELS. YEAH. SO OUR INTERPRETATION WAS THAT WAS INCORRECT. WE LOOKED AT OUR, I LOOKED AT THE STATUTE IN QUESTION AND IT APPLIES TO PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATIONS. OKAY. SO THE, THE LETTER IS INACCURATE IN SAYING WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY OVER CORRECT WHETHER THEY DO THIS. ALRIGHT. GIVEN THAT WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY BELIEVES WE HAVE AUTHORITY, WHAT DOES ANYONE HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS? COMMISSIONER SHERMAN? IS IT PERMISSABLE? UM, DO APPROVE, UM, IN THE REAR BUT NOT ON HIS SPINE? YES. , WE HAVE DONE SIMILAR THINGS MANY TIMES, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS. IS THERE A BETTER WAY TO DO THAT OTHER THAN THE TWO CONDITIONS? LET US ASK MARCUS, WHO HAS TURNED ON HIS LIGHT. UM, ONE THING THAT CAME UP IN THE BRIEFING, THE QUESTION I WOULD ASK YOU IS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THEM COMING UP? MAYBE JUST, UH, LESS THE FRONT TWO ROWS OR DO YOU WANT IT EVEN FURTHER BACK ON THE LEFT SIDE? UM, YOU MEAN THE LEFT SIDE OF THE FRONT GABLE, UHHUH ONE THAT WE CAN'T SEE IN THE, UM, THERE, THERE'S THE PLAN ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN SEE STAFF WAS, WAS, WAS SAYING THAT WE WOULD BE OKAY WITH JUST THOSE FRONT TWO ROWS ON THE LEFT SIDE BEING ELIMINATED? OR DO YOU WANT IT FURTHER BACK THAN THAT? WELL, PERSONALLY I WOULD HAVE THEM THAT, SO PROBABLY ABOVE MY TABLE. SO ONE, ONE SUGGESTION. ONE SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT ALL PANELS BE IN THE REAR 50% OF THE STRUCTURE AND THAT WOULD KEEP THEM ALL BACK BEHIND KIND OF THAT, THAT MAIN HOUSE PART OF THE HOUSE. THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. IF THAT, IF THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE THINKING THEY SHOULD GO, I COULD, I COULD SAY THAT I WOULD LIKE US TO VERIFY THAT THAT HORIZONTAL RIDGE LINE WE'RE SEEING IN THIS PICTURE IS THAT 50% BACK AND WE'RE CERTAIN, OKAY. SO IT MIGHT SAY THAT HORIZONTAL RIDGE LINE AT 50% IF, IF I, IF I COULD HAVE A COMMENTATOR, IT SEEMS TO ME IT'D BE BETTER TO HAVE THEM ON THE REAR PROJECTION OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S KINDA HARD TO FIGURE WHERE 50% IS ON THERE AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE ALL OFF THAT LEFT SIDE IF POSSIBLE. , THAT WASN'T MUCH HELP. FISHER SHERMAN. WE ALL HAVE A DIFFERENT IDEA. WELL WHAT, WHEN YOU'RE SAYING WE ARE 50%, YOU'RE GETTING, YOU'RE ALLOWING LIKE ONE OR IT MIGHT ALLOW ONE TO USE. YEAH. ONE OR TWO ON THAT, WHICH IS SORT OF AWKWARD. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. SOMEBODY ELSE. YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF IDEAS. UM, I KNOW WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DESIGNING FROM HERE, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE WANNA BE ABLE TO GET AN APPROVAL IF WE CAN. UM, THERE'S ALSO THE ISSUE OF THE, UM, THE COLLECTING BOX THAT SITS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION. I KNOW THE EXISTING POWER [03:30:01] COMES TO THE HOME AND SITS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THAT FRONT GABLE ADDING NOW, UH, 'CAUSE THESE BOXES ARE PRETTY SIZABLE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THAT SAME ELEVATION. IF IT COULD AT LEAST MOVE TO THE, UH, LEFT ELEVATION RATHER THAN THE FRONT ELEVATION. UM, BUT YEAH, MOVING EVERYTHING TO THE NORTH IS GONNA BE INEFFECTUAL . UM, YEAH, I GET IT. THERE'S A, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF IT. I JUST HAVE SEEN THEM IN REAL LIFE. OH, SO THEY'RE NOT ACCORDING TO PLAN BECAUSE ON THE PLAN IT SHOWED IT ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SAME FRONT ELEVATION. I CAN'T TELL IF THEY'RE ALL NOW ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. IT DOES LOOK LIKE. YEAH. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. I I'M ASSUMING THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS ORDINANCE FOR 10TH STREET SUPERSEDES ANY STATE. THE, THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS STATING THAT THE STATE ALLOWS THEM TO DO THIS AND OUR ORDINANCE SUPERSEDES THAT. I MAYBE THAT MAYBE NEEDS TO BE STATED. NO, THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS THEM TO DO THIS. MY INTERPRETATION IS THAT THEY ARE MISREADING THE ORDINANCE. THE ORDINANCE ONLY APPLIES TO PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATIONS. RIGHT. WE'RE NOT OWNERS ASSOCIATION. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO'S NOT HERE TODAY UNDERSTANDS THAT OUR ORDINANCE IS THE RULE AND WHATEVER THEY'RE LOOKING AT IS NOT OKAY. IN CASE THIS GETS APPEALED OR SOMETHING. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S UNDERSTOOD. OH, COMMISSIONER RES IN THE PICTURE BEFORE THEY PUT ALL THE JUNK ON THE ROOF THERE. THE, THERE'S AN ELECTRIC METER ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THEN THERE'S SOMETHING HUGE TO THE SIDE OF IT AND YOU SEEM TO ALSO KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT I DON'T. IT'S A BREAKER BOX ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE. MM-HMM . YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S NORMAL NEXT TO THE METER. YEAH. IT'S LIKELY BECAUSE THE POWER IS COMING FROM A FRONT POWER POLE THAT THE POWER IS IN FACT DISTRIBUTED FROM THE STREET RATHER THAN FROM THE ALLEY. AND SO WHERE ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT THE STUFF FOR THE ROOF IS GOING INTO THE HOUSE? SO IT'S SITTING IN ANOTHER SMALLER GRAY BOX IMMEDIATELY TO THE LEFT OF THE, OF THE BREAKER BOX ON THE PICTURE WHERE THE, THE PANELS ARE ALREADY UP. IT DOESN'T APPEAR. SO THAT, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PIECE RIGHT BELOW THAT TOO. THAT'S ABOUT HALF. IT'S WITH, WITH A BIG COUPLE OF BIG RED LABELS ON IT IN THE PICTURE TO THE FAR LEFT OF YOUR, I MEAN FAR RIGHT OF YOUR SCREEN. IT'S THE, THE GRAY BOX NEXT. RIGHT NEXT TO THE WINDOW. OKAY. I'VE COMPLETELY . OH, I'VE FURTHER DOWN. ALRIGHT. THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF DISCUSSION SORT OF HAPPENING. JUST NOT OFFICIALLY. I [03:35:07] I HAVE A MOTION. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION PREPARING TO BE MADE. I DON'T HAVE ANY MOTION. MOTION SHEETS. OKAY. AND WHICH ONE IS THIS? SECOND, UM, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, UH, 10 25 EAST 11TH STREET. UM, ALSO KNOWN AS CA 2 4 5 DASH TWO SEVEN OH RD. THAT UM, WE FOLLOW FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE. UH, UH DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THIS MOTION? I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER. GAY. ANY DISCUSSION? REPEAT THE MOTION PLEASE. UH, THAT WE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE. WE JUST FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION RATHER THAN TRYING TO REDESIGN WHERE THEY'RE ALL GONNA SIT. UM, LET THEM COME BACK TO US. SO CLARIFICATION, THE STAMP, UH, THE STAMP RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL OF THE WHOLE THING? YES. YEAH, ALL OF IT. NOT JUST WITH, NOT NECESSARILY. THEY CAN COME BACK TO OUR WITH A PLAN. OKAY. WHOA. SO IT STATES ON FRONT SLOPE OF ROOF IN THE STAFF. RECOMMENDATION FRONT SLOPE OF ROOF. WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. HOLD ON. , I WAS SAYING THAT'S WHERE I WAS REFERRING TO AS UNAUTHORIZED WORK. 'CAUSE I COULD ONLY SEE IT FROM THE FRONT SLOPE OF THE ROOF, BUT I'M ASKING FOR A DENIAL OF THE WHOLE THING SO THEY COULD COME BACK AND RESUBMIT THEIR PLAN. THAT'S FINE. MADAM CHAIR, I COULDN'T TELL. I WILL SECOND THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR. IT'S ALREADY SECONDED, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT. UM, MAY MY ONLY DISCUSSION IN THE MATTER, THIS IS COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, IS THAT HOPEFULLY THEY HEAR THIS AND THEY COME BACK AND REPRESENT THEIR CASE AND PROPOSE YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY WANT THESE PANELS AND WHERE THEY DON'T SO WE CAN KIND OF TALK WITH THEM IN VOTE IN IT. YES. THAT IS ALSO WHAT STAFF WAS AIMING FOR IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION. YEAH. MR. ANDERSON WITH THAT, WITH THAT, COULD WE GIVE THEM SOME GUIDANCE THAT WITH THE DENIAL WE CAN'T GIVE THEM? WE CAN, I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT'D BE PROBABLY FRUITFUL TO TELL THEM SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF THE WELL, WE HAVE PRETTY MUCH DISCUSSED IT ALL AND STAFF CAN REPORT WHAT WE DISCUSSED AS LONG AS THEY GET THE IDEA THAT IT SHOULD BE MADAM CHAIR. I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER RENO, JUST TO CONFIRM THAT HE, YOUR MOTION IS TO WHAT, UM, MS. DUNNA STATING RATHER THAN WHAT'S THE, THE LANGUAGE IN THE, WASN'T THERE A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN WHAT, WHAT YOU MEANT IN THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS IN THE REPORT? THERE WAS JUST SOME CON CONFUSION IN THE WORDING WHERE IT SAYS, UH, WHERE SHE SLOPE WAS TALKING ABOUT UNAUTHORIZED WORK ON THE FRONT SLOPE. SO WHAT WE WANNA KNOW, WE WANNA CLARIFY THAT. YOU MEAN ALL WORK PER HER RECOMMENDATION OR DID YOU GO FRONT SLOPE? NO, WELL, I MEANT EXACTLY WHAT THE WAY THAT SHE HAD WRITTEN IT. NOW THERE MIGHT, I CAN ADD A CLARIFICATION TO SAY FRONT MEANING EVERY, UH, ELEVATION THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE STREET. OH, OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO NOW I, I NEED CLARIFICATION. ARE YOU DENYING WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE ENTIRE APPLICATION OF ANY SOLAR PANELS OR ARE YOU SAYING THEY CAN HAVE THE ONES IN THE BACK? BECAUSE WE ALL THOUGHT WE HEARD YOU'RE DENYING SOLAR PANELS COME BACK WITH A NEW DESIGN. I APOLOGIZE UPON REREADING . THE WAY IT IS, UH, SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN IS I, UH, AGREE WITH THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN AND THAT IT'S DENYING ALL WORK. OKAY. SO MOTION AT HAND IS INDEED DENYING ALL OF THESE SOLO PANELS AS CORRECT. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S FRONT SLOPE OR NOT WITHOUT PREJUDICE. PREJUDICE WITHOUT PREJUDICE NOT THAT WAS YES. WITHOUT PREJUDICE. OKAY. IT'S, IT WAS PERFECTLY WRITTEN. SO OUR, UH, COMMISSIONER SPEY, I, I WILL, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION AND I WANNA JUST TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT I'M REALLY DISCOURAGED THAT AFTER EIGHT YEARS OF BEING ON THE COMMISSION, WE'VE MADE LITTLE TO NO PROGRESS IN REGARDS TO SOLO PANELS. I THINK THE BEST THING AT, AT THIS POINT, OR MY BELIEF IS THAT CITY COUNCIL IS SIMPLY GOING TO HAVE TO PREEMPT US, BUT SADLY, UH, ON A, UH, YOU KNOW, LOBBYING [03:40:01] ADVOCACY TRIP FOR REAL ESTATE LAST WEEK HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME OF OUR LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE PREEMPTION THAT THE STATE IS DOING. AND ONE OF THE EXAMPLES ONE OF THEM GAVE WAS THINGS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE, UH, CLIMATE CHANGE RELATED, NOT BEING ALLOWED, UH, BY PRESERVATIONISTS, HISTORIC DISTRICTS, LANDMARK BUILDINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND IT WAS JUST DISAPPOINTING TO NOT BE ABLE TO SAY, WELL, DALLAS IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY MOVING THE NEEDLE IN THAT WAY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR THIS BACK 50%. THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SUPPORT OF ALTERNATIVES RESTRICTIONS. I MEAN, IT'S LESS ABOUT IT BEING GREEN TECHNOLOGY ANYMORE ABOUT IT BEING PERSONAL PROPERTY RIGHTS, BUT I THINK WHEN WE DO THINGS LIKE THIS, WE RISK OUR PROGRAM BY NOT BEING MORE ADAPTIVE IN SOME WAYS TO THE THINGS THAT CHANGE. SO I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BEI. AND, AND I TOO KNOW THAT SOMEDAY WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO APPROVE MORE SOLAR PANELS ON BUILDINGS. I'VE ALWAYS HOPED IT WOULD COME ABOUT WITH THE INVENTION OF SOLAR PANELS THAT JUST DON'T STAND OUT QUITE SO MUCH AND THEREFORE DETRACT FROM THE HISTORIC CHARACTER LESS THUS FAR. THE INDUSTRY HAS NOT SEEMED TO ANSWER THAT. RIGHT. IS THAT MY PART? THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THE DIS TO THE DISCUSSION AS WELL, IS I'M TOTALLY WITH YOU UNDERSTANDING THE IMPLICATIONS, COURTNEY. I, I HOWEVER, FEEL THAT THERE ARE, UH, THE TECHNOLOGY NEEDS, NOT THE TECHNOLOGY NEEDS TO ADVANCE. IT'S THE, THE INTEGRATION NEEDS TO ADVANCE. IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S MORE PLACES THAN THE ROOF THAN THAT SOLAR PANELS CAN GO. UM, THERE ARE ALSO BETTER DESIGNS THAN SOLAR PANELS THAT GET ATTACHED. I MEAN, WE'VE ALL SEEN CARS WITH ALL KINDS OF STUFF THAT ADDED TO THEM. DOES IT MAKE 'EM BETTER? YOU KNOW, AERODYNAMICALLY BETTER GAS MILEAGE? IT'S, IT'S ALMOST THE SAME THING. IT'S NOT, BUT IT'S ALMOST, UM, I THINK IT STILL NEEDS TO ADVANCE. UM, AND YES, WE NEED TO, UH, HAVE BOTH, UH, E ENERGY EFFICIENCY, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, LESS TAX ON OUR, UH, RESOURCES AND PRESERVATION AT THE SAME TIME. YEAH. ARE WE READY TO CALL FOR THE VOTE FOR THIS ONE? ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ALL THOSE OPPOSED ANYONE AT HOME ON THE OPPOSED SIDE? NO ONE IS SPEAKING UP. SO IT APPEARS THAT THIS MOTION HAS CARRIED YES. UN OPPOSED. SORRY. THIS IS COMMISSIONER. OH, COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA IS ALSO OPPOSED TO THIS. THE MOTION HAS STILL CARRIED BY A MAJORITY STAFF WILL LET THEM KNOW THAT WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO COME FORTH AND DISCUSS. RIGHT. AND NOT THAT I WISH TO BURDEN AN ALREADY VERY BUSY STUFF, BUT COULD YOU SHARE SOMETIME SOON, LIKE NEXT MEETING WITH US, SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT OTHER HISTORIC PRESERVATION DEPARTMENTS MIGHT HAVE BEEN DOING TO TRY TO, TO GET MORE LENIENCY ON THEIR ALLOWANCE OF, OF THESE SOLAR PANELS? WE HAVE TO DO IT EVENTUALLY BEFORE WE ALL BURN UP. SO WE SHOULD START THINKING ABOUT IT IF ANYBODY, BUT IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ALREADY THINKING ABOUT IT, WE COULD JUST STEAL THEIR IDEAS. SO LET'S SEE IF THEY THOUGHT ABOUT IT. MS. COMMISSIONER INZA, MAY I MAKE A, A SUGGESTION ALSO IF THE STAFF IS GOING TO LOOK INTO THAT AND THEY ALSO LOOK INTO, UH, UH, WHAT OTHER PRESERVATION AIR, UH, ENTITIES ARE DOING WITH, UH, ZERO SCAPING. UH, THAT'S ANOTHER, UH, THING THAT WE, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALSO. OKAY. IF, IF YOU CAN ONLY DO ONE OF THOSE, DO THE ONE THAT'S MORE IMMEDIATE, WHICH IS SOLAR PANELS, BUT IF YOU CAN DO BOTH STAFF, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT. AND I'M VERY SORRY FOR GIVING YOU AN EXTRA ASSIGNMENT. IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T CARE. ALRIGHT, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 10, PROBABLY WHO LEFT COMMISSIONER SHERMAN HAS LEFT LIKE FOR THE REST OF THE MEETING? . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. UH, THIS IS MICHAEL FLOWERS PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF FOR DISCUSSION ITEM TEN THREE ZERO TWO THREE CLAIRBORNE BOULEVARD. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REINITIATION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR THE EAGLE FORD BRIDGE. NUMBER FIVE, COMMISSIONER HOSA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? YES. UH, I'D REPEAT SOME OF THE THINGS I MENTIONED EARLIER AT THE, AT OUR BRIEFING. UM, THE EAGLE FORT BRIDGE NUMBER FIVE, UH, MEETS THREE CRITERIA THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT. I KNOW SOMETIMES, UH, MAYBE SOME MAY, MAY DISMISS [03:45:02] THIS BRIDGE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE HECK? IT'S, IT'S ALMOST GONE. UH, BUT PEOPLE IN THE EAGLE FORD, UH, LEDBETTER BARRIO NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, FEEL THAT IT'S RELEVANT TO, TO THEM, UH, FOR THE THREE CRITERIA. ONE, IT'S RELEVANT BECAUSE OF SIGNIFICANT PERSONS ATTACHED TO IT. AND THAT WOULD BE, UH, MR. RANSOM, WHO WAS AN ARCHITECTURE, UH, ARCH ARCHITECT THAT DESIGNED THAT EARLY TYPE OF REBAR. UH, THE SECOND, UH, SIGNIFICANT PERSONS ARE BONNIE AND CLYDE. UNFORTUNATELY, UH, THEY'RE STILL SIGNIFICANT, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE INFAMOUS, UH, BECAUSE THEY USED IT AS THE ONLY ROUTE AT THAT TIME IN THE 1930S OUT OR INTO WEST DALLAS. THAT WAS THE ONLY ROUTE BEFORE, UH, DECADES LATER THAT, UH, UH, LUKE 12, UH, LEDBETTER WAS, UH, CONSTRUCTED AND ALSO BECAUSE OF, UH, HISTORIC EDUCATION AND, AND HERITAGE AND CULTURE BECAUSE ONCE, UH, WORLD WAR II ENDED, MANY OF THE, UH, MEXICAN AMERICAN SERVICE PEOPLE CAME BACK TO, UH, LIT BETTER IN EAGLE FORD. UH, SINCE MANY OF THEM HAD BEEN WORKING AT TRINITY, PORTLAND CEMENT AND HAD LIVED AT THE CEMENT COMPANY TOWN PRIOR, UH, TO LEAVING FOR THE WAR. UH, THEY CAME BACK AND THEY MOVED INTO MORE, UH, ACCESSIBLE AREAS LIKE EAGLE FOR LAND, UH, LIKE EAGLE FORD AND, AND, UH, LEDBETTER. AND SO THEY USED, UH, UH, THAT BRIDGE BECAUSE IT WAS STILL, UH, USABLE AT THAT TIME. UH, AND SO THOSE ARE THE, THE, THE PART OF THE HISTORIC AND CULTURAL RELEVANCE, YOU MIGHT SAY, UH, TO, TO THE MEXICAN AMERICANS THAT HAVE BROUGHT THIS, UH, INFORMATION TO ME, UM, VERY IMPORTANT PEOPLE. ONE WA IS A MEMBER OF THE DALLAS MEXICAN AMERICAN HISTORICAL LEAGUE, A BOARD MEMBER. AND THE OTHER ONE IS, UH, ONE OF THE EARLY, EARLY, UH, FA UH, MEMBERS OF THE FAMILIES THAT CAME TO WORK AT THE TRINITY PORTLAND CEMENT AND LIVED AT THE COMPANY TOWN AND THEN MOVED SOME OF THEM. UH, ONE, HIS UNCLE MOVED, ACTUALLY MOVED HIS, UH, COMPANY TOWN HOME FROM THE CEMENTO GRANDE, UH, COMPANY TOWN INTO EAGLE FORD. SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND RELEVANT TO THEM CULTURALLY AS WELL AS, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I MENTIONED. SO I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS TO BE, UH, REINITIATED FOR HISTORICAL DESIGNATION. UH, WE ALSO HAVE THE SUPPORT OF DALLAS COUNTY COMMISSIONER DR. ELBA GARCIA. AND I WOULD LIKE FOR MAYBE THE COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO, UH, PRESERVE THIS BRIDGE, UH, MAINTAIN IT, AND PERHAPS THE, UH, DALLAS COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION ERECT A MARKER, A HISTORICAL MARKER, UH, TO, TO INFORM THE COMMUNITY OF, UH, OF THE IMPORTANCE. AND ONE LAST THING THAT I WANNA MENTION IS I REMEMBER WHEN THE MARGARET HUNT HILL BRIDGE WAS BEING, UH, CONSTRUCTED AND PEOPLE WERE MAKING FUN OF IT, SAYING IT'S THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE. AND SO I KIND OF GET THE FEELING THAT MAYBE SOME PEOPLE MIGHT THINK, WELL, THIS IS BRIDGE TO TO NOWHERE TOO. IT'S JUST OUT THERE IN THE BOONDOCKS. UH, BUT LOOK WHAT HAPPENED WITH MARGARET HUNT HILL BRIDGE. IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT CHANGED WEST DALLAS AND NOW, UH, THAT, UH, MORE PEOPLE ARE MOVING INTO WEST DALLAS. THERE'S YOU, YOU CAN SEE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THAT PART OF EAGLE FORD AND LEDBETTER. AND SO, UH, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE THIS BRIDGE, UM, HISTORICALLY PRESERVED. THANKS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. UM, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF. DO WE KNOW THE STRUCTURAL STABILITY OF THE BRIDGE? AND HAVE WE TALKED TO THE OWNER IN THE CITY OF DALLAS TO KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THIS BRIDGE? THE, WELL, I DID SPEAK WITH PUBLIC WORKS. THEY ARE CONSIDERED THE OWNER OF THIS BRIDGE. UH, CURRENTLY THEY DO NOT HAVE A MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR THE BRIDGE. DO WE KNOW THE STRUCTURAL STABILITY OF THE BRIDGE? UH, THEY DID NOT TELL ME. I ASKED WAS THERE A RECENT REPORT? AND I DON'T THINK THE ANSWER WAS YES. MY CONCERN IS IF WE LANDMARK THIS AND, AND THERE'S A LONG WAY TO LANDMARK DESIGNATION, BUT IF THE BRIDGE IS NOT SALVAGEABLE, IF IT IS GONNA BE NOT IN A BOND PROGRAM TO RESTORE IT OR TO KEEP STABLE, I, I'M AN APPREHENSIVE LANDMARKING, SOMETHING THAT COULD FALL DOWN OR THE CITY OF DALLAS IS GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK AND SAY WE HAVE TO DEMOLISH IT. THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO CHECK INTO TO SEE. I, WE CAN REINITIATE IT TODAY, BUT I THINK AS THIS GOES FORWARD, WE NEED TO FIND OUT IF THIS BRIDGE IS VIABLE AND IF IT ISN'T VIABLE, IS IT IN A BOND PROGRAM TO FIX, BECAUSE [03:50:01] I'M APPREHENSIVE TO LANDMARK SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BECOME A PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER REEVES, THERE'S NOT A DIAGRAM TO SHOW THE, THE PROPERTIES AROUND IT. WE SAW THE DIRT ROADS AND THEY LIKE THAT. IS THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY? UH, IS IT RESIDENTIAL? I DO NOT KNOW. WE DON'T HAVE THE ZONING MAP ON IT YET. RIGHT. I DIDN'T LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP, BUT I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY FROM THE ROADS SURROUNDING IT AND THEN IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO IT. I BELIEVE THERE'S A USED CAR LOT AND THEN THERE'S SOME RESIDENTIAL ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO IT'S NOT A, IT COULDN'T BE A PUBLIC PARK. IS THERE ENOUGH AREA FOR IT? I THINK IT COULD BE. I MEAN, I, I GUESS I'M NOT SURE ON THAT QUESTION. WE PROBABLY HAVE TO ASK, UH, PARKS DEPARTMENT. UM, BUT THERE IS LIKE LAND AROUND IT AND THEN THERE'S LAND IN FRONT OF IT AND THEN THERE'S CONTINUING ON. SO I MEAN, I'VE SEEN SMALLER PARKS. I MEAN, I HAVE A COMMENT. WE KNOW THE CITY OWNS THE BRIDGE. THE, THE, THE CITY OWNED THE RIGHT OF WAY TO THE BRIDGE, THE LAND AROUND IT. OR COULD THE PARKS DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY DEVELOP SOMETHING? I GUESS WE CAN LOOK INTO IT. I DIDN'T SEE THAT IT WAS, WAS OWNED BY PRIVATE PROPERTY WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT, BUT I DIDN'T GO AND LOOK AT THE DEEDS OF, OF THE LAND. I HAVE MARCUS, OH, A COMMISSIONER OFFIT. UH, YES. IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT THE ONLY WAY TO GET THE INFORMATION THAT COMMISSIONER ANDERSON ASKED FOR AND OTHER PEOPLE HAVE KIND OF ASKED ABOUT IS TO APPROVE AND MOVE FORWARD AND THEN LET THE CITY COME BACK AND TELL US WHY IT CAN'T BE. YES, THAT SOUNDS FAIRLY REASONABLE. INITIATION JUST INITIATES FURTHER DISCUSSION SO WE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. UM, IF MADAM CHAIR, YOU COULD ALSO HOLD THE CASE OVER, WE COULD DO THAT, BUT WE COULD GO AHEAD AND GET IT DONE WOULD BE . I JUST WANTED YOU TO BE WONDERFUL OPTIONS. THANKS A LOT. UM, NOT HELPFUL. OKAY. THE ISSUE OF WHETHER IT'S STABLE OR NOT, IF IT WERE AN IMMINENT DANGER, I'M PRETTY SURE THE CITY WOULD'VE NOTICED BY NOW BECAUSE THEY OWN IT AND THAT'S AN, AN ISSUE FOR THEM. UH, IF IT, IF WE LANDMARK SOMETHING AND THEN IT BECOMES UNSTABLE, THERE ARE PROCESSES TO DEAL WITH THAT. SO IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT FREE LANDMARKING SO MUCH. AND IF IT TURNS OUT THE CITY OWNS SUFFICIENT LAND, PERHAPS IT COULD BE SOME SORT OF CHARMING AND UNIQUE PARK. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED BY THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE WITH CITY REPRESENTATIVES AS WE MOVE FORWARD. COMMISSIONER PERI. SO WE ALREADY INITIATED THIS ONE, SO WE'RE JUST REINITIATING IT. YEP, OF COURSE. SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SAYING, I MEAN, THERE'S REALLY, TO ME, NO REASON TO NOT REINITIATE IT. WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THIS ONE TIME. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE INITIATED OTHER STRUCTURES THAT ARE QUOTE UNQUOTE RUINED LIKE THE MOUNT, UH, INTERURBAN MOUNTAIN BRIDGE AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THIS IS NOT THAT MUCH, MUCH DIFFERENT. AND I THINK WE NEED TO JUST MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND SEE HOW IT GOES AND, AND, UM, I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER REASON WHY WE SHOULDN'T INITIATE REINITIATE. THANK YOU. SO COMMISSIONER HO HINOJOSA, DO YOU WANNA MAKE THE MOTION? YES. UH, AND THANK Y'ALL FOR THOSE COMMENTS. I, I AGREE THAT IT SHOULD BE RE REINITIATED. THE CITY, UH, NEEDS TO KNOW THAT, UH, THAT THE COMMUNITY IS ONE IN THIS AND, AND IF WE, UH, DENIED IT, THEN, THEN THEY MIGHT SAY THAT THAT MIGHT BE WHAT THE CITY WOULD WANT. UH, SO MY MOTION IS, UH, TO REINITIATE THE EAGLE FORD NUMBER BRIDGE NUMBER FIVE, KNOWN AS THIRTY TWENTY THREE CLAYBORNE BOULEVARD IN, UM, DALLAS SEVEN. ZIP CODE 7 5 2, 3, 3. I'LL SECOND. AND THE SECOND IS COMMISSIONER POSI. UH, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. APPEARS TO APPEAR UNANIMOUSLY. AND THAT LEAVES US WITH ONE MORE THING. WELL, TWO MORE THINGS TO DO. WE HAVE TO DO THE MINUTES AFTER WE DO DISCUSSION. ITEM NUMBER 11, OUR DEMOLITION DELAY ORDINANCE REVISION. OKAY. ARE WE READING THIS IN JUST THE SAME AS THE OTHER STUFF? OKAY. CHRISTINA PEREZ FOR STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 11, DEMOLITION DELAY ORDINANCE REVISION REQUEST A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR REVISIONS TO THE DEMOLITION DELAY ORDINANCE. AND THERE'S NO TASK FORCE TO READ ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OR DOES SOMEONE HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION. GO AHEAD WITH YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER. I MOVE THAT THE LAND REGARDING, UH, ITEM D 11, UH, I MOVE THAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION APPROVED THE REVISIONS OF THE DEMOLITION DELAY ORDINANCE [03:55:01] HAS PRESENTED. SECOND. AND THE SECOND IS COMMISSIONER POSI. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THEN THAT MOTION HAS ALSO CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WHAT SHE WANTED KNOW WHO MADE THE MOTION? OH, COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER. YES. SHE DOES NEED TO SAY COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER MADE THE MOTION AND COMMISSIONER POSI WAS THE SECOND. AND MAY I MAKE A COMMENT OR TWO? I GUESS YES. . I JUST WANTED TO THANK CHRISTINA PEREZ FOR, FOR THE EFFORT OF GOING THROUGH ALL OF THESE DEMOTION DELAY MEETINGS. , I ATTEND, I ATTEND MANY OF THEM. UH, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT I THINK, FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE A SAY, UH, OR AT LEAST TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A SAY IN WHAT HAPPENS WITH, THROUGH THIS PROCESS. AND I KNOW IT'S, IT CAN BE FRUSTRATING AS TIME 'CAUSE WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THE BEST RECORD OF SAVING THESE BUILDINGS, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE THE INPUT. SO THANK YOU FOR WORKING THROUGH THAT AND ALL OF YOUR DILIGENCE AND SCHEDULING THOSE MEETINGS AND FOLLOWING UP AND ALL THAT. SO THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. YES. CHRISTINA'S LAST NAME IS REALLY DILIGENCE BECAUSE SHE GOT, SHE'S ENDED UP WITH A LOT OF THE JOBS THAT REQUIRE JUST STICKING TO IT, EVEN WHEN IT GOOD SPELL. SHE, SHE DOES IT. MADAM CHAIR. OKAY, NOW MINUTES. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THE MINUTES THAT WE RECEIVED? MA MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONER OSA? YES. REAL QUICK QUESTION. UH, DID WE DO D TWO? BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE IT ON MY NOTES. I, IT MIGHT MIGHT HAVE BEEN OVERLOOKED BY ME. WE DID D TWO. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON OUR MINUTES? AND IF NOT, DOES ANYONE HAVE THE MOTION? SO MOVED. APPROVE. I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES. OKAY. COMMISSIONER REYES HAS MOVED TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES. WHO SECONDS SECOND. COMMISSIONER OSA HAS SECONDED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. AND HE OPPOSED. ALL RIGHT. AS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY, THE MINUTES ARE ACCEPTED. I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS FOR THE DAY. AND SO WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 5 0 5 IN THE EVENING. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.