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1156[Building Inspection Advisory, Examining and Appeals Board Special Called Meeting on March 5, 2025.]
AND WE WILL NOW CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.AND BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE A CHAIR, THE FIRST THING WE'LL NEED TO DO IS ELECT A TEMPORARY PRESIDING OFFICER.
AND UNDER THE OPEN MEETING ACT, THAT PERSON MUST BE PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THIS ROOM.
ALRIGHT, THERE'S BEEN A MOTION AND A SECOND.
EVERYONE DID THE FOLKS LINE HEAR THAT MOTION? ALL RIGHT.
ANY OBJECTION OR SORRY? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALRIGHT, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UM, DOES THAT NEED IT FIRST AND THE SECOND? NO, WE'VE DONE THAT.
SO, UM, WHAT I NEED NOW, UH, EVERYONE HAS A COPY OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM JANUARY 21ST, HOPEFULLY.
UM, SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM JANUARY 21ST? 2024
YEAH, THAT WAS THE CORRECTION I WAS GONNA MAKE ALSO.
OKAY, EVERYTHING
SO, UH, ANY POINTS OF DISCUSSION OTHER THAN, UH, VIRTUAL FOR CHARLES FRAN? ALL ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? PREVIOUS MEETING MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
DAVID, DO YOU NEED THOSE SIGNED BY ME? DO YOU HAVE THE EVIDENCE AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE MEETING? OKAY, VERY GOOD, THANK YOU.
THE NEXT ITEM IS TO REVIEW OUR RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE ADOPTION OF THE 2023 ELECTRICAL NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE WITH AMENDMENTS CHAPTER 56, DALLAS ELECTRICAL CODE BY THE CITY, DALLAS CITY CODE.
SO I THINK WE HAVE SOME PRESENTATION HERE,
SO WE WOULD TAKE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS WHO WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM BECAUSE YOU WILL BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT, AND THEN WE WILL ALLOW FOR THE STAFF TO MAKE IT PRESENTATION AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
SO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC, IT'S, THERE WAS STAFF THAT HANDLE THIS OUTSIDE, RIGHT? WELL, WELL, SO BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE VOTING ON MAKING A RECOMMENDATION, THE PUBLIC GETS AN OPPORTUNITY TO YES.
DAVID, IS THERE ANYONE ON LINE, DO YOU KNOW? UH, GOOD MORNING.
UH, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS A REVIEW OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO ADOPT THE NEXT EDITION OF THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE.
QUESTION IS, ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS, UH, ANY PARTICIPANTS ONLINE THAT HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE PROPOSAL TO ADOPT THE NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE? GOING ONCE YES.
UH, BEFORE I START, I GOT TWO EXTRA COPIES OF ANYBODY ELSE GOING.
I'VE GOT TWO EXTRA COPIES IF YOU WANT.
UM, WE'LL DO A BRIEF SYNOPSIS OF ALL THE CHANGES.
I'LL GO THROUGH BY PAGE NUMBERS, REFERENCE NUMBERS, AND LET YOU KNOW KIND OF WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH IT.
SO WE START OUT PAGES ONE THROUGH 22.
THE ENTIRETY OF THE DOCUMENT, WE HAVE GONE TO CHANGE THE ADOPTED CODE CYCLE TO 23 FROM 2020, AND ANY ARTICLES THAT NEEDED TO BE RENUMBERED WERE RENUMBERED.
ITEM NUMBER TWO ON PAGE THREE IN SECTION 56, 81 0.4 B, THE DEFINITION OF ELECTRICAL SIGN WORK WAS AMENDED TO MATCH THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING AND REGULATIONS.
UH, ON DEFINITION GIVES THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE LEEWAY WITH WHAT THEY CAN DO.
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ELECTRICAL SIDE WORK.THEN AGAIN ON PAGE THREE, UH, THE 56 81 DO FOUR B, WE AMENDED THE DEFINITION FOR ESTABLISHED PLACE OF BUSINESS TO INCLUDE AN EMAIL ADDRESS THAT IS A REQUIREMENT FOR OUR UPCOMING PLAN MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE.
SO WE HAD TO ADD THAT IN THERE.
NUMBER PAGE NUMBER 4 81 0.4 B.
THIS IS GONNA BE A SERIES OF FIVE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS.
JOURNEYMAN, ELECTRICIAN, JOURNEYMAN SIGN, ELECTRICIAN, MASTER ELECTRICIAN, MASTER SIGN, ELECTRICIAN AND RESIDENTIAL WIREMEN.
WE ALL, WE ADDED THROUGH EVERY DEFINITION A REFERENCE TO THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING AND REGULATIONS IN THE OWN LICENSE AS THE BASELINE REQUIREMENT FOR LICENSE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
WE WANTED TO CLARIFY TO MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEARER.
THE CHIEF ELECTRICAL CODE ADMINISTRATOR WAS REFERRED TO INCORRECTLY AND NOT COMPLETELY.
IT IS A DEFINED TERM, SO IT NEEDED TO BE EDITED CORRECTLY.
THAT WAS ON PAGE 10, BUT ITEM SIX.
AT THIS POINT, YOU WON'T FIND THESE IN THERE BECAUSE WE TOOK ALL THREE OF THESE OUT.
THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT TO 4 0 8 0.4 THAT DEALT WITH THE CIRCUIT DIRECTORY.
THE NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE WAS UPDATED.
WHERE WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN? IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NUMBER NINE PREVIOUSLY.
WE DELETED NUMBER 15 PREVIOUSLY, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN AN AMENDMENT TO 7 0 5 TO 11 C.
AGAIN, THE CODE CORRECTED THIS, WE DIDN'T NEED IT ANY LONGER.
WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN NUMBER 16 WAS DELETED AS WELL.
THAT WAS 7 10 15 A IN SUPPLY OUTPUT OF A STANDALONE SYSTEM.
DID YOU BILL RIGHT ON THOSE THREE ARE NOT ON DOCUMENT.
I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOT.
NOW WE WILL GET INTO THE ONES THAT WE EITHER ARE GOING TO KEEP.
THESE ARE, THESE ARE ACTUALLY IN THE DOCUMENTS.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA GO TO PAGE 13 AND 14.
THIS IS, UH, NUMBER SIX, AMENDING ARTICLE 100.
THIS IS OUR DEFINITION OF ENGINEERING SUPERVISION.
THIS WAS A PREVIOUS CITY DALLAS AMENDMENT.
WE ARE CARRYING THIS FORWARD WITH CHANGE.
UH, WE HAVE REFERENCED THE TELS LAW WHO BETTER DEFINE WHO IS A QUALIFIED ENGINEER WHEN IT COMES TO DESIGNING ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS AND WHAT THOSE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS SHOULD BE.
IT SAYS ON PAGE 13, 13 AND 14, PAGE 14, NUMBER SEVEN, WE ARE AMENDING, I'M SORRY, WE'RE CARRYING FORWARD OUR AMENDMENT TO ONE 10.2.
APPROVAL OF EQUIPMENT DEALS WITH BASELINE APPROVAL FOR ALL ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT.
NUMBER EIGHT, AMENDING ONE 10 POINT 12 B.
THIS IS A PROPOSED NEW AMENDMENT.
WE ADDED SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE TO GIVE CONTRACTORS A LITTLE MORE ABILITY TO GET SYSTEMS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN DAMAGED DUE TO FIRE SOOT, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES.
APPROVED FOR USE, AGAIN, PENDING, UH, FIELD EVALUATION AND ENGINEERING OVERSIGHT.
THIS IS ALSO A NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.
PROPOSED PETITION POINT EIGHTA EXCEPTION NUMBER FOUR.
UH, IN THIS CYCLE THEY ADDED AN EXCEPTION FOR EXHAUST FANS THAT HAVE INTEGRAL RECEPTACLES BUILT INTO THEM FOR BATHROOMS THAT DIDN'T NEED GFCI PROTECTION.
UH, THIS IS A NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL FOR GOVERNMENT'S AMENDMENT.
AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS STRICKEN THE WORD BATHROOM TO COVER ANY EXHAUST FAN IN A HOUSE BECAUSE NONE OF THEM SHOULD HAVE DOCI PROTECTION.
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INSPECTORS ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE APPLIED IT PREVIOUSLY.SO THE ELECTRICAL, WE GOT THE MEAT TO PUT IT IN FRONT AND DON'T HAVE TO GCI PROTECT THOSE.
WE JUST, WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND SAID THERE'S NOWHERE NOW WHERE IT SHOULD BE REQUIRED.
SO WE STRIPED THE WORD BATHROOM NUMBER 10 AGAIN ON PAGE 15.
THIS IS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT 2 10 52 C ONE EXCEPTION NUMBER TWO FOR COUNTERTOP RECEPTACLE SPACING.
IT WAS AN EXCEPTION ADDITIVE CODE THAT ALLOWED FOR, UH, RECEPTACLE SPACING TO NOT MATCH UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE IT WASN'T CONVENIENT.
UH, THAT AT THE NORTH CENTRAL COUNCIL, TEXAS COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS, WE FELT THAT THAT WAS AN ISSUE BECAUSE EXTENSION CORDS COULD BE USED AND YOU COULD HAVE SOME FIRE HAZARDS.
THERE ARE MEANS WITH WHICH TO TAKE CARE OF THIS.
SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO STRIKE THAT EXCEPTION.
YOU'RE ON PAGE 16, THAT'S PAGE 15, NUMBER 10, PAGE NUMBER 16, NUMBER 11, AMENDMENT TO 2 10 52.
THIS IS A NEW PROPOSED AMENDMENT AS WELL.
THE CODE CHANGED TO SAY YOU CAN NO LONGER PUT A RECEPTACLE IN THE SIDE OF THE CABINET.
THEY WILL NO LONGER ALLOW THEM ON THE SIDES OF ISLANDS AND PENINSULAS, BUT THEY DO NOT REQUIRE THEM ON ISLANDS AND PENINSULAS ANY LONGER.
THEY PUT UP, UH, SOME WORDING IN THERE THAT REQUIRES PROVISIONS FOR THOSE RECEPTACLES.
ALL WE DID IN HERE WAS GO IN HERE AND DEFINE WHAT THOSE PROVISIONS ARE.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE A CHAPTER THREE WIRING METHOD OUT THROUGH THAT ISLAND OR PENINSULA, TAP IT IN A BOX UNDERNEATH IT, AND IT HAS TO BE PART OF A, A SMALL APPLIANCE BRANCH CIRCUIT.
UM, SOME THAT ONE OF THE CO MEETINGS WHEN THIS CAME UP, UM, I'VE BEEN TOLD A LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND TOWN ARE JUST NOT PROVIDING THEM BECAUSE THE WILL KEEPS EXCHANGING WHETHER YOU CAN OR CAN SORT.
AM I UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY? THIS IS SAYING YOU CAN INSTALL THE OUTLET, BUT YOU CAN INSTALL BASICALLY THE UNDO IT IN J BOX FOR FOR FUTURE USE.
THE, THE DEFINITION OF AN OUTLET IS ONLY IN AN OPENING ON THE ELECTRICAL CIRCUIT.
YOU CANNOT INSTALL A RECEPTACLE.
YOU CANNOT INSTALL A RECEPTACLE.
BUT IN THE ISLAND, IT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED FOR THE, THAT DEFINITION OF PROVISIONS THAT YOU SUPPLY A BRANCH CIRCUIT OUT TO THE ISLAND IN THE BOTTOM OF THE ISLAND FOR THE USED BY SOMEONE.
SO WHY WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT IN A, A PLUG.
WE HAVE TO PROVIDE FIRING OR PLUG.
THEY'RE REQUIRED PROVISIONS IN THE MEC.
ALL WE'RE DOING IS CLARIFYING WHAT THE PROVISIONS ARE.
SO WHY AREN'T WE ALLOWED TO PUT IN A, IN AN OUTLET AGAIN, THE PEOPLE WERE SETTING SAY A CROCK POT ON A KITCHEN ISLAND PLUGGING EMPTY BASE TAB GOT SEVERELY BURNED.
OH, SO THERE'S A COMMUNITY THAT WENT TO IC AND WE SAID, Y'ALL NEED TO, Y'ALL NEED TO DO SOMETHING.
SO THEY OUTLAWED THEM ESSENTIALLY, BUT THERE'S BEEN SOME BACK AND FORTH WHETHER IT'S OUTLAWED OR NOT.
SO, SO NOW THEY'RE SAYING YOU CAN PREPARE FOR IT, BUT YOU CAN INSTALL IT AND THEN IT'S UP TO THE HOMEOWNER AFTER COS GO IN AND HAVE IT ESSENTIALLY WITHOUT PERMIT THAT THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED.
LY IT'S A VERY CONVENTION SUBJECT.
BUT I JUST THINKING I LITERALLY PUT LIKE A CROCKPOT ON MY ISLAND AND LIKE PLUG IT IN IT ALL THE TIME.
NOW IT'S THIS THE SAME ONE, BUT YOU CAN STILL PUT IN A POPUP PLUG ON AN ISLAND, CORRECT? CORRECT.
ON THE SURFACE JUST CAN BE ON THE SIDE.
UH, ARE WE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE DEBATE WRITTEN? I MEAN, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, THEY'RE ASKING QUESTIONS AS OKAY.
UM, ITEM NUMBER 12, UH, PAGE 16.
THIS IS A NEW PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO 2 10 63 B TWO.
UH, THIS IS AN AMENDMENT THAT'S GOING TO REMOVE SOME CODE CONFLICTION FOR SERVICE RECEPTACLES THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL INSTALLATIONS AS TO WHERE THEY CAN BE SUPPLIED FROM.
UH, THIS AMENDMENT WOULD ACTUALLY VIOLATE NUMEROUS O AS WRITTEN IN THE NEC THAT VIOLATES NUMEROUS OTHER CODES TO PUT IT IN THE WAY THAT IT SAYS, BUT WE'D VOTE TO NEED TO STRIKE IT FROM OUR CODE.
THAT'S NUMBER, THAT WAS PAGE 16, ITEM NUMBER 12 ON THE CHAPTER 56.
NUMBER 13, UH, PROPOSED NEW AMENDMENT TO TWO 20, CREATING A NEW ARTICLE TWO 20.7.
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PROOF OF CALCULATION FOR ANY NEW SERVICE FEEDER BRANCH, CIRCUIT, OR ANY ALTERATIONS WITH NEW APPLIED LOADS TO THOSE CIRCUITS.SO WHEN YOU SAY A PROOF OF CALCULATION, SOMETHING YOU WANT ON AN, ON AN ELECTRICAL DRAWING OR LIKE YEAH, ON AN ELECTRICAL DRAWING, WHICH THEY'RE PROVIDED ALREADY.
IT'S ALREADY REQUIRED IN SOME OF OUR DOCUMENTATION.
THE SYSTEM, WHICH FOR TEXAS COUNCIL GOVERNMENT AMENDMENT AS WELL, THEY, THEY WANTED IT THERE.
UM, AND IT'S DEALS MOSTLY WITH ADDED LOADS, LARGE ADDED LOADS TO DWELL UNITS, UH,
WHO CAN PROVIDE THOSE CALCULATIONS? DOES IT HAVE TO BE AN ENGINEER BY STATE LAW? A MASTER ELECTRICIAN CAN PROVIDE MOST OF THEM.
UH, THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHEN THE TV, UH, P LAW KICKS IN THAT IT WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED BY AN ENGINEER.
NUMBER 14, ON PAGE 17, THIS IS A CARRY, CARRY AN AMENDMENT FORWARD THAT WE'VE HAD BEFORE.
THIS IS WIRING ABOVE SUSPENDED CEILINGS.
IT'S AN ALLOWANCE TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER WHEN YOU'RE USING SMALLER WIRING METHODS TO ATTACH LIGHTNING CIRCUITS IN COMMERCIAL OCS.
NUMBER 15 GONNA BE GETTING ON PAGE 18.
THIS IS GONNA BE AMENDMENT WE'RE CARRYING FORWARD.
UH, THIS AGAIN MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR CONTRACTORS USING, USING OLDER METHODS THAT WE'VE HAD BEFORE.
UM, THAT WAS CHECKED WITH OTHER PORTIONS OF THE CODE ITEM.
WAS THAT, THAT WAS, UH, ITEM NUMBER 15.
ITEM NUMBER 16 AGAIN ON PAGE 18.
I'M SORRY, CAN YOU EXPLAIN OR, OR EXPLAIN 15? ABSOLUTELY.
UH, WHAT, WHAT IT SAYS CURRENTLY IN THE NEC WITHOUT THE AMENDMENT, IT SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T USE A LUMINARY FOR ACCESSING THINGS ABOVE THAT LUMINARY.
ONE, ONE OF THE TRIED AND TRUE METHODS THAT HAVE BEEN USED FOREVER WAS TO USE EITHER A TWO BY TWO OR A TWO BY FOUR LUMINARY AS AN ACCESS POINT FOR THINGS ABOVE IT.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WHEN WE WENT BACK TO LINCOLN 26, WHERE IT STARTS TALKING ABOUT CLEARANCES AND WE REFERENCED THEIR 22 AND A HALF BY 22 AND A HALF CLEARANCE THAT THEY HAVE THERE, WHICH IS EXACTLY THE SAME SIZE AS THAT TWO BY TWO TO SAY THAT IF YOU GOT A TWO BY TWO OR A TWO BY FOUR, YOU CAN LOOK THAT UP AND ACCESS THINGS AS LOT.
IT ELIMINATES THE NEEDS FOR SO MANY ACCESS PANELS.
UH, APPLIANCE DISCONNECT ACCESS.
THIS IS ANOTHER AMENDMENT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY.
WE'RE LOOKING TO CARRY THIS FORWARD.
AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT GIVES DIRECTION, UH, FOR ACCESSIBILITY OF APPLIANCES, UH, IN ATTIC SPACES, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A WAY THAT THERE, THE ELECTRICIAN OR HVC MECHANIC HAS A WAY TO EASILY REACH THAT, UH, DISCONNECT.
PAGE 18 AND 19, WE'RE LOOKING AT NUMBER 17.
THIS IS GROUPED TOGETHER WITH THE NEXT ONE ON PAGE 1917 AND 19.
UH, THESE WERE AMENDMENTS TELLING YOU WHO COULD DESIGN, UH, OR WHO COULD APPROVE SOME HAZARDOUS LOCATION EQUIPMENT AND WHO COULD PERFORM ZONE CLASSIFICATIONS.
AS FAR AS ENGINEERS, WE'VE ADDED A LITTLE BIT OF LANGUAGE TO BOTH OF THOSE MATCHING THAT TBP LE LAW THAT WAS REFERENCED EARLIER.
QUICK QUESTION ON 16 THAT'S CARRIED OVER FROM THE, THIS IS JUST AN AMENDMENT CARRIED OVER.
AN AMENDMENT IS PROPOSED TO SIX 90.9 D.
UH, THIS ONE HERE CREATES A SAFETY HAZARD FOR TRANSFORMERS LOCATED IN OCCUPANCIES THAT ARE SUPPLYING PHOTOVOLTAIC EQUIPMENT.
IF DONE IMPROPERLY, IT COULD CREATE A, A SEVERE HAZARD INSIDE THAT OCCUPANCY.
THIS AGAIN, IS THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL, THE GOVERNMENTS AMENDMENT.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU JUST RIGHT FROM THE ITSELF.
ITEM NUMBER 20 ON PAGES 19 AND 20, WE'RE LOOKING TO CARRY FORWARD THIS AMENDMENT FOR FIRE PUMP CONDUCTORS INSIDE THE FIRE PUMP ROOM NECESSARILY BECAUSE THE FIRE PUMP ROOM ITSELF IS NOT DEMANDED TO BE OF A RIGID OR MORE RIGID CONSTRUCTION AS ARE MOST SERVICE CONDUCTORS, UH, OR MAKING THOSE CONDUCTORS MATCH THE OTHER SIMILAR
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CONDUCTORANOTHER PROPOSED AMENDMENT THAT DEALS WITH WHAT MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS ARE ON SITE DURING THE, DURING THE INSTALLATION OF ANY INTERCONNECTED POWER SUPPLY SYSTEM.
THIS IS ANOTHER CENTRAL FOCUS COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS AMENDMENT AS WELL.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT ONE A LITTLE FURTHER? MM-HMM
UH, INTERCONNECTED POWER SUPPLY SYSTEMS ARE ANY SYSTEMS THAT OPERATE IN CONJUNCTION WITH ANOTHER POWER PROCESS.
AND IT CAN BE SOLAR GENERATOR, GENERATOR UTILITY.
UH, IT GETS VERY COMPLEX SOMETIMES WE'RE TYING FOUR AND FIVE DIFFERENT POWER SUPPLY SYSTEMS TOGETHER ON SITE.
AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PROPERLY QUALIFIED PERSON IS ON SITE AT ALL TIMES.
AND THAT'S WHY WE ENDED IT TO THOSE TWO TYPES OF LICENSES.
WHAT WAS IT PREVIOUSLY OR WHAT WAS THERE? UH, IT COULD BE LEFT UP TO INTERPRETATION ON, ON THE DWELLING UNITS THAT A RESIDENTIAL WIREMAN COULD DO THAT.
UM, BUT THERE, UH, TRAINING OFTEN LIMITS 7,240 VOLTS.
UH, OFTEN LIMITS THEM TO NON-METALLIC WIRING METHODS.
THE JOURNEYMAN IS MORE VERSED IN UP TO 600 VOLTS IS WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IN A RESIDENTIAL SETTING UP TO A THOUSAND VOLTS ON A COMMERCIAL SETTING.
UH, SO BOTH THEM FAR MORE QUALIFIED.
THIS IS A NEW PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
AGAIN, A NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT AMENDMENT DEALING WITH WHAT POWER SOURCES COULD BE COUNTED WHEN YOU'RE COUNTING THE CAPACITY FOR A MICROGRID SYSTEM.
MICROGRID SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN ADDED THROUGHOUT EMERGENCY SYSTEMS, LEGALLY REQUIRED SYSTEM HOSPITALS, ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT THAT CAPACITY SHOULD BE BASED UPON WEATHER CONDITIONS AND WHAT TIME OF DAY IT IS.
AND THAT IS THE CONCLUSION OF MY PRESENTATION.
YOU DON'T WANT TO RELY UPON THOSE FOUR SYSTEMS. AND DO I NEED TO RECOMMEND, UH, I MEAN I ASSUME YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ADOPTION, IS THAT CORRECT? THESE ARE MY RECOMMENDATIONS, YES.
SO, BUT THIS IS LIKE THE CITY DOESN'T THIS GO, THIS LAST ONE GO AGAINST LIKE CA STUFF LIKE TAKING SOLAR AND WIND OFF THE EMERGENCY POWER GRIDS.
LIKE I, I THOUGHT THE CITY PASSED STUFF THAT LIKE WANTED US TO GO THE OTHER WAY.
IT WOULD TAKE IT OFF OF WHAT COULD BE COUNTED AS A CAPACITY FOR THOSE STANDBY SYSTEM IS WHAT IT'S GONNA DO.
IT'S NOT GONNA SAY YOU CAN'T USE IT OR CAN'T HAVE IT.
IT'S SAYING THAT IF I HAVE A HOSPITAL OR I HAVE ASSEMBLY OCCUPANCY OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES WHERE I NEED AN EMERGENCY SYSTEM OR A HIGH ROD, I CAN'T COUNT SOLAR AMONGST THE SUMS HOLDING FOR WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR THAT SYSTEM.
YOU COUNT THE BATTERIES THAT MIGHT BE ATTACHED TO THAT SYSTEM.
SO LONG AS THEY MEET THE HOUR REQUIRE OUR REQUIREMENTS OF
THAT GAS TANK SOLAR DOESN'T GET EXCLUDED IN THE GAS TANK YOU NEED TO HAVE FOR EXACTLY.
YEAH, IT COULD, YOU CAN USE THAT GAS, BUT YOU CAN'T, CAN'T BE PART OF CALCULATION.
YOU KNOW, I THINK MOTOR IS NOT ELECTRICITY.
ELECTRICITY, COMPUTER ANYMORE.
MAKE YOUR REQUEST FOR APPROVAL.
DO I HAVE TO MAKE A REQUEST APPROVAL? I MADE A RECOMMENDATION.
SO ANY MORE QUESTIONS TO GET 'EM ANSWERED? MOVE, WIN.
UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, ACCEPT THE ADOPTION? MOTION TO ACCEPT.
SO WITH THAT, UH, WE VOTE ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? NO MORE DISCUSSION.
THE GOOD, THE EYES HAVE IT PASSED.
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ALL THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS BRIEFING ON REQUEST FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE.SO, UM, AND SAME THING AND, AND THROUGH THE CHAIR, DAVID CENTRAL ASSISTANT BUILDING OFFICIAL, WE GOT A REQUEST YESTERDAY FROM, UH, ONE OF THE PARTICIPANTS, PARTICIPANTS WHO I THINK IS ON THE MEETING HERE, WHO WANTED TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
AND I SPOKE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY YESTERDAY AND WE SAID THAT AS LONG AS HER PRESENTATION WAS GERMANE THROUGH THE SUBJECT MATTER, UH, THEN SHE COULD BE ALLOWED TO MAKE HER PRESENTATION.
SO AT THIS POINT, SUBJECT TO THE CHAIR, UH, WE CAN ALLOW HER TO DO THAT PRESENTATION.
AND IS IS THAT PUBLIC? YEAH, SHE'S, UH, ON ONLINE HERE.
SO ACCEPTABLE THAT IT'S THE DECISION FOR YOU.
YEAH, IT'S UH, GINNING OF BRIEFING.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
IS THERE A TIME LIMIT ON IT? WELL, FOR OUR NORMAL, FOR OUR NORMAL OPERATION, THERE IS FIVE MINUTES, BUT THIS IS A BRIEFING.
SO THERE'S, THE BOARD HASN'T DECIDED ON A TIME LIMIT NOW IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE MAYBE A GOOD IDEA.
UH, CINDY, ARE YOU THERE? I SEE HER, HER NAME ON? YES, I'M HERE.
ARE YOU READY WITH YOUR PRESENTATION? CAN YOU, YOU HAVE YOUR CAMERA, UH, CAMERA, CAMERA WORKING? YES.
UM, I'M GONNA TRY TO SHARE IT.
DID SHE, DID SHE HEAR YOU? I'LL LET HER KNOW THAT IT WAS, YOU DID LET HER.
UH, TARA, DO YOU WANNA PULL UP THE POWERPOINT OR SHOULD I? IF YOU HAVE IT.
I BELIEVE SHE EMAILED IT THIS MORNING.
CAN YOU SEE THAT? YES, I THINK SO.
I'M GONNA KEEP IT LIKE THIS JUST 'CAUSE I CAN SEE WHAT I'M PRESENTING THIS WAY.
MY NAME IS CINDY GITA AND I SERVE AS THE REGIONAL MANAGER FOR THE NATIONAL FIRE SPRINKLER ASSOCIATION.
AND I'M SPECIFICALLY COMMENTING ON THE PROPOSED, UH, CITY OF DALLAS, UH, DWELLING PROPOSAL THAT WILL AFFECT, UM, ONE IN TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS AND, UH, BRING IN THE POSSIBILITY OF MULTIPLE DWELLINGS.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS IS CONSIDERING THIS, UM, AS AN EFFORT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS TO THAT, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE LOOKING AT OTHER CITIES AND, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT CITIES LIKE AUSTIN, LIKE, UH, MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE, AND LIKE SEATTLE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH WITH BOTH COWORKERS AND OTHER FOLKS AS WELL AS THE CODES.
AND, UM, THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, MY COMMENTS ARE COMING FROM.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO, UH, THE NEXT, UM, SLIDE.
UH, MY COWORKER JEFF HUGO, WHO'S THE VICE PRESIDENT OF NFSA, AND HE SITS ON MANY OF THE ICC CODES, IBC, THE IFC, AS WELL AS MY COWORKERS WHO SIT ON OVER A HUNDRED DIFFERENT ICC AND NFPA COMMITTEES.
UM, THIS INFORMATION IS FROM THEM.
THE, UM, THE EFFECTS OF THE DALLAS PROPOSED CODE COULD, YOU KNOW, DO THE FOLLOWING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THERE ARE SEVERAL CONFLICTS AND, AND CONTRADICTING, UH, PIECES OF
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INFORMATION IN THE PROPOSAL.DID EVERYBODY GET MY PACKET OF INFORMATION THAT I SENT TO TERONA? I DO HAVE, UH, WE SENT THAT, WE SENT THAT INFORMATION TO ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, ONE OF THE MOST CONCERNING ELEMENTS OF THE PROPOSED CODE IS THAT THERE WOULD BE MULTIPLE UNITS ALLOWED IN BUILDINGS UNDER 7,500 SQUARE FEET WITHOUT FIRE PROTECTION.
UM, THESE PROPOSED BUILDINGS WOULD HAVE NO SPRINKLERS.
THERE WAS NO MENTION OF ALARMS AND, UM, THERE WOULDN'T BE, UH, ASSOCIATED MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS WITH THOSE BUILDINGS EITHER.
UM, THIS PUTS THE BUILDING OCCUPANTS, OF COURSE, AND THE FIREFIGHTERS WHO HAVE TO RESPOND TO THESE BUILDINGS AT MUCH GREATER RISK WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO ENTER SHARED MULTI-UNIT BUILDINGS.
THE DATA PACKAGE I PROVIDED YOU WITH SHOWS THAT, UH, FIRE FATALITIES AND, AND FIRE INJURIES ESCALATE GREATLY WHEN OUR OCCUPANTS ARE IN MULTI-UNIT HOUSING.
THE ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS SINGLE BUILDING STAIRWAYS AND IT PROPOSES ONLY PRESSURIZED STAIRWELLS WITHOUT FIRE SPRINKLERS.
UM, THE OTHER CITIES THAT YOU, UM, HAVE BASED YOUR ORDINANCE ON AND THAT I RESEARCHED DO REQUIRE FIRE SPRINKLERS AT LEAST, UH, 13 R UM, IDENTICAL BUILDINGS THAT MIGHT BE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, SOME OLDER, SOME NEWER MIGHT BE PERMITTED UNDER THE IRC AND ONE ANOTHER UNDER THE IBC CREATING A VERY UNBALANCED LEVEL OF SAFETY AND INSPECTIONS FOR YOUR ENFORCING STAFF.
MULTI-UNIT BUILDINGS SHOULD BE REGULATED UNDER THE IBC ENSURING CONSISTENT FIRE PROTECTION AND LIFE SAFETY MEASURES.
THE ORDINANCE CREATES A LOT OF LOOPHOLES IN FIRE SAFETY AND INTRODUCES NEW CHALLENGES AGAIN FOR YOUR INSPECTORS.
UM, HERE'S WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING, AND I'M ACTUALLY HERE IN SAN MARCO, TEXAS RIGHT NOW AND, AND JUST PREVIOUSLY SPOKE WITH THE CITY OF AUSTIN FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THEY CONSIDERED A SINGLE STAIRWELL AMENDMENT BUT ARE NOT GOING FORWARD WITH IT TO THEIR CITY COUNCIL.
UM, WHAT THEY ARE GOING FORWARD WITH IS A TRIPLEX THAT, UM, CANNOT BE MORE THAN THREE STORIES IN HEIGHT AND IT WILL REQUIRE A FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN IT.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT AUSTIN'S DOING.
THEY SAID THAT THIS PARTICULAR, UM, CODE HAS TO GO THROUGH THEIR ZONING, UH, STAFF AS WELL, BUT THEY'RE EXPECTING A LOT OF THEIR 2024 CODES TO GO TO COUNCIL IN THE NEXT MONTH.
UH, SEATTLE, UM, SEATTLE WAS MENTIONED AS ALSO ALLOWING MULTIPLE UNITS AND SINGLE STAIRWELLS AND, AND THEY MAY BE ONE OF THE FIRST CITIES THAT DID THIS, BUT THEY DON'T ALLOW MORE THAN FOUR DWELLING UNITS ON ANY ONE FLOOR.
AND AGAIN, ACCORDING TO THEIR WORDING, IT HAS TO BE PROTECTED THROUGHOUT WITH AN AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
AND THEN, UM, MEMPHIS WAS MENTIONED TO ME, AND I DID, I DID, UM, CONTACT MY COWORKER WHO WORKS, UH, WITH TENNESSEE AND, UM, DO YOU REALLY WANT DALLAS TO BE LIKE MEMPHIS? UM, BECAUSE OF ALL THE O OF THE CITIES THAT I LOOKED AT, THEY DEFINITELY ARE THE LEAST PROTECTIVE.
THEY HAVE CREATED A DWELLING ORDINANCE CALLED LARGE HOMES THAT HAS VERY LITTLE PROTECTION, AND BASICALLY IT BECOMES A BUILDING WITH SIX HOMES AND NO REGULATION, NO ENFORCEMENT, AND NO FIRE SAFETY.
UM, JUST ABOUT OUT OF TIME, MAYBE YOU WANNA LEAVE US WITH A COUPLE OF CLOSING THOUGHTS? I SURE DO.
UM, PART OF MY JOB WITH NFSA IS TO MONITOR STATE LEGISLATION.
AND ON THE SCREEN I'VE GOT, UM, SEVERAL BILLS THAT ARE COMING UP THAT TO ME WILL PREEMPT ANYTHING THAT DALLAS DOES, AND I WOULD URGE YOU TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER MAY.
UM, I'M GONNA URGE MOST CITIES TO DO THIS.
EVERYBODY IS LOOKING AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN INCLUDING OUR STATE LEGISLATURE AND THE MOST RECENT BILL THEY CAME UP WITH YESTERDAY AS SB 15 AND ITS SIZE AND DENSITY FOR RESIDENTIAL LOTS, AND IT'S SPECIFICALLY GOING TO ENFORCE THAT LOTS MIGHT BE 1400 SQUARE FEET.
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THAT, UH, THERE IS ANOTHER LAW PENDING THAT SAYS, UH, NEIGHBORING SUBDIVISIONS CANNOT, UM, OPPOSE THIS KIND OF CONSTRUCTION.UM, BUT THEN THERE'S MANY OTHER, UH, BILLS AS WELL THAT ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW AFFECT CONVERSION OF COMMERCIAL TO MIXED USE AND MULTIFAMILY NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS ON PROPERTY.
AND, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT I'M CATCHING, BUT I WOULD URGE YOU TO WAIT BEFORE YOU CHANGE YOUR CODES BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GOING TO FEEL SOME TRICKLE DOWN AND SOME PASSING OF THESE LAWS.
SB 15 HAS SOME VERY POWERFUL LEGISLATORS BEHIND IT.
UM, LASTLY, WE, UH, ALWAYS FAVOR ADOPTING NATIONAL MODEL CODES BECAUSE IT WILL, UM, AFFECT YOUR COMMUNITY ISO RATING AND, UM, YOUR B SEGS, YOUR BUILDING GRADE EFFECTIVENESS SCORE.
SO, UM, SHOULD YOU NOT ENFORCE AND ADOPT NATIONAL CODES, IT MAY AFFECT YOUR ISO RATING.
UM, IT WILL AFFECT LIABILITY SHOULD CITY OF DALLAS OR YOUR BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS GO TO COURT AND THEY CAN'T HONESTLY SAY THAT THEY ARE FOLLOWING ADOPTED NATIONAL CODES.
IT MAY AFFECT A DA AND FEDERAL LEGISLATION.
UM, AND THIS PROPOSED CODE DEFINITELY CONFLICTS WITH THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT CODE ADOPTION THAT BOTH MYSELF AND CHIEF FREEMAN HAVE SAT THROUGH FOR THE PAST YEAR AND WORKED SO HARD TO COME UP WITH AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD PROVIDE GREATER SAFETY, NOT LESS SAFETY.
I WANNA INTRODUCE NOW SOME FOLKS THAT ARE VERY, VERY INTIMATE WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UM, THEIR NAMES ARE, UH, DJ AND ZACH SUTTERFIELD.
AND, AND I WOULD ASK, THEY'VE WAITED FOR THE PAST HOUR TO SPEAK WITH YOU, IF YOU CAN ALLOW THEM A FEW MINUTES.
I KNOW YOU'LL GREATLY APPRECIATE HEARING FROM THEM.
IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE WITH YOU ALL TODAY.
MY NAME IS ZACHARY SUTTERFIELD.
UM, I WAS CRITICALLY INJURED IN AN APARTMENT FIRE IN 2018 IN SAN MARCUS, TEXAS, AND THERE'S LARGEST ARSON FIRE IN HAYES COUNTY HISTORY.
UM, I THINK I DID WHAT EVERY COLLEGE STUDENT DOES AND FOUND, UH, EQUITABLE HOUSING.
UH, AS I SAW IT, IT WAS AFFORDABLE.
UH, MY FRIENDS WERE THERE, IT WAS NEARBY.
AND, UM, THE, THE, THE BIG THING WAS IT WAS ENOUGH MONEY THAT I COULD MAKE THE MONTHLY PAYMENTS.
I WAS VERY UNAWARE OF HOW UNSAFE THE BUILDING WAS, UH, WITH NO SPRINKLER SYSTEM, NO, UM, CENTRALIZED ALARM SYSTEMS. UH, AND I WAS, UH, NAIVE.
UM, I THINK THAT MY STORY IS ONE OF THOSE THAT RESONATES WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHOULD MEAN EQUITABLE HOUSING, AND IT SHOULD MEAN THAT, UM, WHERE SOMEBODY LAYS THEIR HEAD DOWN AT NIGHT DOES NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE RISKS OF WAKING UP TO AN ARSON FIRE.
THE RISKS, THE RISKS OF WAKING UP TO A KITCHEN FIRE.
UM, SPRINKLER SYSTEMS SAVE LIVES.
THE DATA SHOWS THIS, AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IS, UM, PRETTY PARTISAN ACROSS THE BOARD, UH, IS, UM, JUST MAKING SURE THAT, UH, WHERE WE LAY OUR HEADS DOWN AT NIGHT IS SAFE, EQUITABLE, AND, UM, BETTER FOR THE FUTURE.
I ALWAYS LIKE TO SAY THAT WE'RE BUILDING A PATH IN FRONT OF US FOR THOSE TO WALK BEHIND A LITTLE EASIER.
AND I THINK WITH AMENDMENTS THAT MAKE, UH, BUILDINGS SAFETY AND SECURITY, UH, A BIT BETTER AND MORE PREVALENT, THE MORE LIKELY IT IS THAT THE CHILDREN, UH, WHO FOLLOW IN OUR FOOTSTEPS WILL LIVE A BETTER, GREATER LIFE AND A MORE EQUITABLE LIFE.
UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE AND SPEAK ON THESE MATTERS TODAY.
UM, ZACH WAS ONLY GONE 10 DAYS WHEN THIS FIRE HAPPENED, AND YES, IT WAS ARSON, BUT IT COULD HAVE VERY WELL BEEN A KITCHEN FIRE.
THERE WERE NO SPRINKLER SYSTEMS IN PLACE THAT WE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT.
AS PARENTS, WE SENT OUR KID OFF TO COLLEGE, WE BOUGHT POTS AND PANS, WE BOUGHT EVERYTHING YOU COULD THINK OF.
WE GAVE HIM BRIEFINGS ABOUT EVERYTHING TO BE SAFE.
AND ON JULY 20TH, 2018, MY SON WOKE UP TO BEING ON FIRE.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING I'LL NEVER FORGET.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY TORMENTS OUR FAMILY TODAY.
MY SON STILL HAS PROBLEMS WITH WHAT HE SAW THAT NIGHT AND WE THOUGHT, OH, IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WE CAN GET OUR KID THROUGH COLLEGE WITH THIS APARTMENT.
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AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHOULD BE SAFE HOUSING.IT SHOULD BE SAFE FOR THE RESIDENTS, IT SHOULD BE SAFE FOR THEIR FRIENDS.
IT SHOULD BE SAFE FOR THE MAINTENANCE.
IT SHOULD BE SAFE FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS GOING IN TO FIGHT THAT FIRE AND TO SAVE PEOPLE.
THE BUILDING WE WERE IN WASN'T SAFE AND WE DIDN'T KNOW IT.
SO I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT YOUR RESIDENTS SAFETY.
YES, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS GREAT, BUT IT'S ONLY GREAT IF IT SAVES LIVES.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I WOULD URGE, UM, THE STAFF AND THE COMMITTEE TO CHECK WITH CITY OF AUSTIN.
UM, BY FAR, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE ALWAYS MOST PROGRESSIVE.
CINDY, YOU PLEASE TURN YOUR CAMERA ON AS YOU'RE TALKING.
I WOULD URGE YOU, UM, TO CALL THE CITY OF AUSTIN.
IN FACT, WHEN I CALLED THEM YESTERDAY, UM, ONE OF THE, UH, THE PLAN REVIEWERS SAID, WELL, HAVE THEY CHECKED WITH SEATTLE? HAVE THEY CHECKED WITH MEMPHIS? AND HAVE THEY CHECKED WITH US BECAUSE THEY, THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE DOING DUE DILIGENCE.
THEY'RE CALLING AROUND TO SOME OF THE CITIES THAT ARE DOING SINGLE STAIRWAYS AND, AND OTHER CREATIVE, UH, AFFORDABLE BUILDING SOLUTIONS.
AND THEY SAID, PLEASE CALL, I CAN GIVE YOU SOME NUMBERS AND NAMES.
UM, AND THEY'LL TELL YOU WHAT THEY HAVE FOUND AS THE UPS AND DOWNS OF LOOKING AT A CONSOLIDATED DWELLING AND SINGLE STAIRWAY ORDINANCE.
UH, THE FIRE CHIEF ACTUALLY SAID HE WOULD NEED FIVE NEW AERIAL APPARATUS IN THE AREAS WHERE THESE KIND OF BUILDINGS WOULD BE BUILT.
AND SO THEY'RE NOT GOING FORWARD IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN WITH A SINGLE STAIRWELL ORDINANCE.
UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD URGE YOU TO LOOK AT WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING.
WE'RE ALL WORKING TOWARDS AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IS SAFE.
AND, UM, PLEASE CALL, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
AND, AND DJ
AUSTIN AND OTHER PEOPLE, OTHER CITY ALLOW A STAIRCASE UP TO SIX STORY WITH ONE SINGLE STAIRCASE.
UM, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TALKING, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE THAT PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE AT ALL.
WE DO NOT PROPOSE
CAMILLE, YOU CAN GO AHEAD, TAKE SURE THING.
UH, MY NAME IS CAMILLE MSW, SENIOR ARCHITECT HERE WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, ABOUT A EARLY, EARLY FEBRUARY, MID-FEBRUARY, THERE WAS A DRAFT PROPOSAL, UM, DEVELOPED, UM, BY STAFF AND, UH, PRESENTED TO VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS, UH, WITHIN THE CITY, UH, WITHIN THE CITY PROPER.
AND COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED ON, ON THIS, ON THIS ORDINANCE, AND, UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING IN DEVELOPING IT SOME, SOME MORE.
I BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE, UM, THERE IS AN UP THERE, THERE ARE COMMENTS, UH, THAT WILL BE PRESENTED TODAY FROM, UM, THAT, UH, JARED I BELIEVE HAS SOME, SOME COMMENTS THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE CREATED HERE, A BOARD MEMBER THAT HE WILL GO THROUGH.
BUT, UM, BASICALLY THE ORDINANCES IN IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND, UM, WE, WE CAN TAKE QUESTIONS HERE THAT, UH, BEFORE WE GO, I THINK JUST MAKE SURE THIS, WE, WE DID SET IT OUT ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO TO ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS AND WE HAVE A TASK FORCE AT THE SAME TIME WE RELEASED THAT DRAFT
WE MET WITH, UH, BUILDER ASSOCIATION,
SO WHAT WE HAVE IS DRAFT AND THEN AI, I REALLY APPRECIATE THEY TAKE THE TIME, THEY ACTUALLY INVITE THE STAFF TO GO AND TALK TO THEM AT ONE TIME AND THEN THEY WORK MUCH MORE TIMES, UH, TO DEVELOP, TO REFINE THAT DRAFT.
SO I THINK I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT'S, UH, THE, UH, A PROPOSAL IS, UM, BASED ON, UH, THE ALREADY DRAFT WE PUT TOGETHER, I THINK, UM, YES.
UH, MOVING FROM IPC TO IRC, UM, WE,
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WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO MITIGATE THE RISK IN ANYTHING RELATED.THIS ESPECIALLY FAIR SAFETY, UM, IS VERY IMPORTANT.
SO THERE IS A NUMBER OF WAYS COMMUNIC WITH THAT.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST DRAFT.
AND THEN
IS THIS THE ORIGINAL DRAFT OR HAS THIS BEEN REFINED AND CHANGED AFTER? I THINK THAT'S THE ORIGINAL DRAFT.
AND THEN THIS ONE IS ONE, UH, WITH THIS
DRAFT HAS BEEN CHANGED AND UPDATED.
WELL, THE DRAFT HAS BEEN CHANGED, BUT I MEAN WE STARTED WITH THAT DRAFT.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE HEAR ON THIS.
A I A, I THINK IS TO BE FAIR TO THEM, SPEND SO MUCH TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THEIR COMMENTS ON THERE LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE MADE A NUMBER OF CHANGES.
SO WE ARE OPEN FOR SUGGESTION CHANGES TO MAKE SURE IT IS SAFE AND THEN EFFICIENT, UH, TO GET FROM IBC TWO R.
SO THIS IS WHAT YOU GUYS CAME UP WITH.
THE TOP OF IT SAYS DEFINITIONS, IS THAT RIGHT? YES.
THEN WHAT, SORRY, JUST TO BE CLEAR LOOKING THAT I DON'T SEE YOUR SKETCH IN THAT, THEN THAT IS ANOTHER ONE THAT'S DRAFT ED CODE.
YEAH, I THINK THOSE ARE THE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ATTACHED THAT I WOULD FOLLOW THE LOGIC OF OUR ORIGINAL DRAFT, WHICH WE RELEASED.
EVERYBODY FAMILIAR WITH THAT AND THEN TALKED ABOUT A I A'S DRAFT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THE, THE OTHER DRAFT HAVE NOT SEEN THAT, BUT THIS IS OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO DISCUSS ALL OF THAT.
SO I WOULD SAY LOGICALLY S ORIGINAL ONE AND THEN WHATEVER COMMENT FROM A I A WILL GO NEXT POINT OF INFORMATION.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, UH, THERE'S A VERSION THAT I SENT TO THE BOARD MEMBERS LATE YESTERDAY OR MAYBE DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY.
SO YOU'LL HAVE THE, YOU'LL HAVE THE DRAFT THAT CAMILLE, UH, SENT OUT AND YOU'LL HAVE JARED'S COMING FROM A I A.
BUT THE, THE, THE, THE, THE DRAFT THAT I SENT OUT TO YOU INCLUDES, UH, IT ENCAPSULATES BOTH, UH, UH, THE BEST PARTS OF BOTH VERSIONS IN THERE.
JUST SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, THERE IS A, THERE IS A MORE UPTODATE VERSION IN APPEALING ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF US.
RIGHT? I, I SENT IT OUT TO EVERYBODY YESTERDAY.
WE, WE, WE MAY HAVE PRINTED IT OUT.
LET'S UH, FOLLOW THE LOGIC ORIGINAL ONE, WHATEVER YOU BASE ON THAT, AND THEN WE CAN COME UP FOR THAT ONE.
I THINK THAT SEEMS TO BE FOLLOW ORIGINAL ONE.
AND THEN THIS ONE FROM THIS ONE HERE KIND OF FOLLOWS THE SAME RIGHT.
I THINK THAT'S YOUR EASY FOLLOW, RIGHT? UM, BUT JERRY PAN, I'M AN ARCHITECT, UH, AND I, UH, THIS HIGHLIGHTED DOCUMENT I WOULD SAY I KNOW WAS THIS YOU OR JUST YOUR, THAT, THAT SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION THAT WAS SENT OUT PREVIOUSLY? I WOULD LOOK AT THIS IF YOU MORE A CODE STUDY.
IF IDENTIFY THE CODE WHERE MINE IS RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO ORIGINAL GROUND.
UM, SO JUST TO START FROM OUR MEETING IN JANUARY, UM, THIS IS WHAT, UM, THIS IS CONCEPTUALLY WHAT I THOUGHT WAS ONE COULD BE BUILT, UH, THIS IS WHAT I HAD SKETCHED BY HAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TABLE, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY FOUR DUPLEXES.
THAT COULD BE SIDE BY SIDE OR TOP AND BOTTOM.
I'M, FOR THIS EXAMPLE, I'M SHOWING TOP AND BOTTOM.
SO YOU HAVE A DUPLEX ON THE FIRST FLOOR, HAVE ANOTHER UNIT ON THE SECOND FLOOR ACCESSED BY THIS PRIVATE STAIR.
WE COULD ESSENTIALLY TWO SIDE TWO STORY BUILDING.
IT ESSENTIALLY PUT FIREWALLS AND YOU COULD CREATE AN PLEX, UM, REALLY FOLLOWING THE IRC THAT WRITTEN.
'CAUSE ALL YOU'RE DOING IS STATING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO INSERT A FIREWALL, WHICH MEANS ANYTHING ON THE OTHER BUILDING.
SO EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT A FIREWALL IS.
TWO HOUR WALL, ONE HOUR WALL, UM, TYPICALLY IN THE WAY DALLAS PUT THEM INTO THE CODE.
UM, IT CAN BE A YEAH FIREWALL.
A ONE HOUR, TWO HOUR A, A FIRE IS INTENDED TO BE ABLE TO HAPPEN ON ONE SIDE OF THAT FIREWALL, COMPLETELY COMPROMISED AND COLLAPSE THE STRUCTURE.
I ALSO LIKE TO ASK, DOES THIS INCLUDING JUST HORIZONTAL OR ALSO INCLUDING, SO IF THERE, IF THERE WERE NOT STAIRS, THE FIREWALL, IS THAT GONNA BE BOTH WORK BETWEEN THE FLOORS? BETWEEN THE FLOOR.
SO UNDER THE, UNDER THE BASE IRC, NOT EVEN WHAT CITY OF DALLAS HAS ADOPTED, YOU CAN BUILD A DUPLEX WITH
RIGHT, RIGHT NOW THE DATE WHICH I NEED CHANGE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THIS IS JUST INTRODUCE OF SPRINKLERS.
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RIGHT.UM, ONCE I LEARNED OF THE TASK FORCE THAT THE SEA OF DALLAS WAS WORKING WITH AI IN DALLAS, UM, I ATTENDED ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS AND I LEARNED THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WAS BEING CONSIDERED.
THIS WOULD BE A THREE STORY BUILDING WHERE THE FIRST FIRST FLOOR IS PARKING.
YOUR SECOND FLOOR WOULD THEN LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS WITH FOUR UNITS, AND THEN YOU HAVE A STAIR GOING TO A THIRD FLOOR WITH FOUR MORE UNITS.
SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS NOT WHAT I HAD IN MIND WHEN I KNOW WE, Y'ALL ASKED, WE DISCUSS THIS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT DISTINCTION.
UM, YOU COULD ALLOW AN PLEX WITH FIREWALLS OR YOU COULD ALLOW AN APEX OVER A PARKING GARAGE, WHICH I WOULD FOR CONVERSATION PERSON PURPOSES CALL IT A, YOU KNOW, A SMALL APARTMENT.
UM, I JUST WANT THE COMMITTEE TO BE AWARE OF THE, THIS IS THE BUILDING TYPE THAT PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO BUILD UNDER THE IRC.
JUST SO THAT CLEAR TO EVERYONE.
WE LOOK AT THIS, THIS IS LIKE THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
WHAT IS THIS? WHAT IS THE SCARIEST BUILDING YOU COULD BUILD UNDER THIS? THIS WOULD BE, UH, SO THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH ARE, ARE WHAT A GROUP OF ARCHITECTS VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE IN THE CODE, BE OKAY WITH SUPPORTING YOUR BILLING.
GO BACK TO YOU HAVE PARKING A SECOND, SO PARKING BOTTOM AND THEN FOUR UNITS.
UH, DAVID SECTION ASSISTANT BILLING EFFICIENT, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THAT THAT SECOND PROPOSAL WITH THE PARKING DRAWER UNDERNEATH, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE IN THE STAFF HAS THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO ANYBODY, BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT PROPOSAL.
YEAH, THIS WAS JUST DISCUSSED IN OUR A I A MEETING.
THIS COULD BE THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
SO WE, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WORST CASE SCENARIO, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT, UH, WHAT THE INCREASED RISKS ARE? BECAUSE I MEAN, I, I DON'T LIKE SEE HOW ONE IS, UH, BESIDES LIKE EVERYBODY HAVING TO SHARE A STAIRWELL, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW THAT INCREASES THE RISK VERSUS EVERYBODY LIKE HAVING A PRIVATE STAIR.
YEAH, JUST, UM, I'LL ANSWER THAT AS BEST I CAN.
SO IN, IN THIS MODEL, ONLY ONE, ONLY ONE FAMILY IS USING THEIR PRIVATE STAIR TO GET OUT BUILDING.
AND IT'S ONLY A TWO STORY BUILDING HERE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW THREE STORIES, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COMMUNAL MEANS OF EGRESS AND IT'S STILL A SINGLE.
SO THE RISK IS YOU HAVE A FIRE ON THE LANDING ON THE FIRST OR SECOND FLOOR PE ANYONE ABOVE THAT CANNOT GET OUT UNLESS THEY'RE GOING OUT THE WINDOW.
UM, I'LL GET INTO IT, BUT SINGLE MEANS OF EGRESS IS ARE ALLOWED UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES IN THE IBC.
SO SOMETHING LIKE THIS WAS BEING PROPOSED IS BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW UNDER THE IBC.
IT'S JUST NOT BEING BUILT UNDER THE IRC.
SO BY BEING BUILT UNDER THE IBC FIRE YES, UH, HAS, IT HAS WIDER STAIRS THAN THE IRC REQUIRES.
UM, THOSE ARE THE TWO BIG ITEMS. OKAY.
AS FAR AS SEPARATION, LET'S LOOK AT THE LOWER LEFT HAND UNIT.
SECOND LEVEL, IS THAT SEPARATED FROM EACH OF THE ADJACENT UNITS? IS THAT STILL A EACH AND IT'S A, UM, FIREWALL.
IT WOULD BE A FIRE, FIRE POSITION OVER FIRE BARRIER FOLLOWING IBCS DEFINITION.
IT'S FIRE RESISTANCE OR CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT IS NOT AT FIREWALL.
UM, BUT THAT IS HOW, THAT IS HOW A, A BUILDING LIKE THIS WOULD BE BUILT UNDER THE IBC.
IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE FIREWALLS, IT'S JUST BY RESISTANCE RATED CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT WOULD BE SPRINKLER, BUT IT WOULD BE SPRINKLED.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I JUMP INTO THE RECOMMENDATIONS? HOW DID YOU PROTECT THE, THE FLOOR, UH, ON YOUR PROPOSED FLOOR WHERE EACH, WHERE IT LOOKED LIKE YOU HAD LIKE A CONCRETE WALL GOING ALL THE WAY UP YOUR FIREWALL, YOU'RE TWO HOUR RATED, SO I PROTECT ONE ABOVE THE OTHER.
SO YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A ONE HOUR FIRE RATE OF FLOOR CEILING ASSEMBLY, BUT OKAY.
UNITS, UM, WHICH IS, I, THERE'S MULTIPLE YALE LISTED WAYS TO GET THERE, BUT ITS THE MOST COMMON WAY WOULD BE TO DO RE OVER PLYWOOD.
YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR TRUSS OR JOISTS STRUCTURAL SYSTEM AND YOU HAVE A LAYER OF TYPE X OR TYPE C DRIVE WALL ABOVE
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THAT.AND THAT GETS LIKE THAT SIMILAR TO THAT WOULD GETTING YOUR ONE HOUR CAR RATE, BUT IT'S REALLY JUST THE TWO UNITS THAT YOU SEPARATE NOT ALL RIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I JUMP IN? SO THE APPROACH TAKEN IS TO INCLUDE ANYTHING THAT'S ALREADY IN THE IRC AND THE SEAT OF DALLAS AMENDMENTS.
HOW CAN WE MAKE THE MAKE A SAFE BUILDING WITHOUT BRINGING IN ALL OF THE IBC LANGUAGE AND REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO TO SAY THAT JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM, WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE ASSEMBLIES, FIRE RATINGS DESIGNS THAT THE CITY ALREADY ALLOWS AND JUST ALLOW THAT TO BE APPLIED TO, YOU KNOW, UP TO EIGHT UNITS.
SOME OF THAT IS TAKING TOWN HOME REQUIREMENTS AND APPLYING THAT TO THIS, I'M GONNA CALL IT A PLEX FOR NOW.
THAT KEY THING ABOUT TOWN HOMES IS COUNTS ARE SET ARE FIRE, ARE SEPARATED BY FIRE RESISTANCE CONSTRUCTION FROM FLOOR TO FROM FLOOR TO ROOF.
SO FROM SLAB ALL THE WAY UP TO THE ROOF DECK, THEY'RE COMPARTMENTALIZED UNDER THE CURRENT IRC.
YOU COULD BUILD AS MANY OF THOSE AS YOU WANT.
IRC DOESN'T LIMIT YOU TO EIGHT ON A LOT OR 20 ON A LOT.
YOU COULD BUILD A THOUSAND OF THESE IN, IN A ROW IF YOU HAD TO LAND TO DO IT.
UM, WE'RE NOT GOING TO THAT EXTENT, BUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS YOU CAN TAKE A TOWN HOME, COMPARTMENTALIZE IT, AND YOU CAN STACK ONE ON TOP OF THE OTHER AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THE APPROPRIATE FIRE RATED OF CONSTRUCTION BETWEEN.
UM, THAT'S THE KEY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONSOLIDATED DWELLING UNITS AND TOWN HOMES IS THAT WE'RE STACKING ONE ON TOP OF THE OTHER.
UM, SO I'LL JUMP INTO THE DE I'LL JUST JUMP INTO THE DOCUMENT.
I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH IT, UM, JUST A LINE AT A TIME JUST TO MAKE IT EASY, BUT IF AT SOME POINT SOMEONE WANTS ME, ANYONE ASKS A QUESTION AND I NEED TO JUMP BACK AND FORTH.
UM, SO TO START OFF JUST DEFINITION OF BUILDING, OH, WELL, LEMME SAY ONE THING.
EVERYTHING THAT'S IN BLACK TEXT ON THIS IS ALREADY IN THE IRC BASE CODE OR IT'S ALREADY IN THE DALLAS.
EVERYTHING IN RED IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE.
EVERYTHING IN BLUE IS GONNA BE A TALKING POINT.
UM, SO, UH, IT'S A, IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THERE'S A TYPO IN THE DEFINITION OF BUILDING.
UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT WORD WAS USED BEFORE.
IT SAYS APPLICANT WE'RE JUST PROPOSING CHANGE THE WORD APPLICANT.
THAT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN AS THREE MORE DRILLINGS ON A LOT.
WE ARE ADDING THE LANGUAGE FOR NINE OR MORE CONSOLIDATED DRILLING UNITS ON A LOT, UM, AND DOES NOT INCLUDE TOWN HOMES.
UM, WE'RE THE ADDING THE LANGUAGE NOT TO INCLUDE TOWN HOMES IS JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.
UM, CONSOLIDATED DWELLING WE'RE STATING IS ANY, ANY BUILDING CONTAINS UP TO A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT CONSOLIDATED DWELLING.
UM, THE, THIS LANGUAGE IS A LITTLE LENGTHY, BUT I'M JUST GONNA SAY IT SAYS USED INTENDED OR DESIGNED TO BE USED, RENTED LEASE, LET OR HIRED OUT TO BE OCCUPIED.
WE ARE ADDING OR THAT ARE OCCUPIED FOR LIVING LIVING PURPOSES.
THE REASON FOR ADDING THAT ARE OCCUPIED IS WE ARE INCLUDING, WE'RE NOT SAYING IT'S JUST INTENDED TO BE OCCUPIED OR IT'S THOUGHT ABOUT BEING OCCUPIED.
IT IS ACTUALLY OCCUPIED, THEREFORE IT APPLIES.
UM, A CONSOLIDATED DWELLING UNIT IS, SHOULD BE LIMITED TO 10,500 SQUARE FEET.
40 FEET IN HEIGHT, OR SORRY, THREE STORIES.
WELL, THREE STORIES IN 40 FEET IN HEIGHT.
WE'RE CLARIFYING ABOVE GRADE PLAN.
UM, SO IF SOMEONE WANTED, WELL ANYHOW, WE'RE JUST CLARIFYING ABOVE GRADE PLAN, UH, NO MORE THAN FOUR DWELLING UNITS PER FLOOR.
IF THE STORY IS, IS ABOVE OR BELOW THE LEVEL OF EXIT DISCHARGE, THE REASON FOR THAT LANGUAGE IS THAT WOULD ALLOW SOMEONE TO PUT SIX UNITS ON THE FIRST FLOOR, TWO UNITS ON THE SECOND FLOOR IF THEY WANTED.
UH, WE DID WANT TO LIMIT AN ARCHITECT OR, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPER TO FOUR UNITS ON THE GROUND FLOOR BECAUSE WE SO SEE NO INCREASE IN LIFE SAFETY OR HAZARDS BY PUTTING MORE UNITS ON THE GROUND.
UM, WE THEN CREATED A NEW DEFINITION FOR CONSOLIDATED DWELLING UNIT JUST SO THAT IT'S SPECIFICALLY NOT INCLUDED IN THE DEFINITION OF DWELLING THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN CODE, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE
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GOING TO APPLY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS TO CONSOLIDATED DWELLING UNITS.SO, UM, A CONSOLIDATED DWELLING UNIT IS GONNA BE A SINGLE UNIT LOCATED IN A CONSOLIDATED DWELLING BUILDING PROVIDING COMPLETE INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITIES FOR ONE OR ONE PERSONS, INCLUDING PERMANENT PROVISIONS FOR LIVING SLEEVE, INCLUDING SANITATION.
AND THAT'S NOT A NEW DEFINITION, IT'S JUST BEING BROUGHT OVER FROM OTHER, OTHER ADOPTED CODES AS THEY'RE WRITTEN.
UM, IN THE ORIGINAL DRAFT THERE WAS LANGUAGE AROUND PRESSURIZED STAIRS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
WE PROPOSED TO REMOVE THAT LANGUAGE.
UM, JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO APPLY IT, IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S NECESSARY TO BE BROUGHT UP IN IBC.
UM, THE, THE REMAINDER OF THE DEFINITIONS THAT ARE IN THE DRAFT, WHICH ARE LISTED HERE CAN APPLY TO THIS BUILDING.
SO WE'RE, AND WE'RE OKAY WITH THOSE DEFINITIONS AS THEY WERE PRESENTED.
WE ASK SOME QUESTIONS NOW OR WHEN GO AHEAD.
YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD ASK THIS.
WE GOT THE ON THE CONSOLIDATED DWELLING TO CLARIFY THE ABOVE GRADE PLANE.
IS THAT BECAUSE THERE'S MAYBE QUESTION ABOUT SOMETHING BELOW GRADE? YES.
SAY SOMEONE WANTS TO ACTUALLY TO THE FACE.
UH, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT SOMEONE GOING 40 FEET IN THE AIR AND THEN 20 FEET IN.
WELL ACTUALLY WE ARE ALLOWING IT.
WE'RE SAYING FROM BRAKE PLAIN YOU CAN GO UP 40 FEET, BUT THE BUT THE UNITS, NUMBER OF UNITS WANT SOMEONE RESTRICTED.
DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IF SOMEONE CHOSE TO BUILD A BASEMENT LEVEL, WE DIDN'T WANT TO RESTRICT THE HIGHEST QUALITY MEDICAL, SO WE'RE JUST CLARIFYING MAXIMUM IS EIGHT FROM GRADE.
I IT LOOKED LIKE THE ORANGE DRAFT CAP, 7,500 SQUARE FEET.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE LOGIC MORE? YEAH, SO I, A STANDARD, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING APARTMENT DESIGN, RIGHT, A STANDARD TWO BED, TWO BATH, KITCHEN, LIVING DINING WALK-IN CLOSETS, THAT TYPE OF UNIT ROUGHLY FITS IN A 30 BY 30 SQUARE.
YOU DO 900 TIMES A SEVEN TWO SQUARE.
SO 7,500 WAS ORIGINALLY SUGGESTED, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT EXISTING IRC.
YOU CAN BUILD 7,500 SQUARE FEET WITHOUT, WITHOUT SPRINKLING THE ALL RIGHT.
UM, IF YOU WERE GOING TO TRY TO TAKE FOUR OF THESE UNITS AS THIS EXAMPLE SHOWS FOUR ON THE FOUR ON THE THIRD FLOOR, FOUR ON THE SECOND FLOOR WOULD TUCK INTO GARAGES, YOU WOULD HAVE TO SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE U UNITS BECAUSE YOU'RE BUILDING THE, THE PARKING GARAGE SUITE.
SO THE LOGIC WAS LET'S GIVE THEM ANOTHER 3000 SQUARE FEET TO BUILD THAT PARKING GARAGE SO THAT WE CAN STILL KEEP A TWO BED, TWO BAD UNITS.
OTHERWISE WE'RE POTENTIALLY ENDING UP WITH, BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING STRUCTURED PARKING UNDERNEATH, WE'RE ELIMINATING THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS WE CAN HAVE.
WHICH IF, IF THE MOTIVATION IS TO CREATE DENSITY AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE THINK WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE TWO BED, TWO BATHS.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF STUDIO APARTMENTS OVER PARKING BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T SERVE, UH, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONAL TWO PARENT CHILD HOUSEHOLD.
MAYBE WE'LL GET THERE, BUT IS THE GOAL TO, I'M SURE IT IS IN HERE, BUT THE INTENTION TO HAVE FIRE SPRINKLERS OR NOT HAVE FIRE SPRINKLERS? YEAH.
SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND TELL YOU, BUT, BUT I'LL GIVE IT TO THE EXACT LANGUAGE AND WHY.
SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA STATE IN HERE IS IF YOU'RE 7,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS, YOU STILL DON'T NEED TO SPRINKLE AS SOON AS YOU ATTACH OR AS SOON AS YOU PROVIDE PARKING ABOVE OR BELOW A DWELLING UNIT, THE ENTIRE BUILDING HAS TO BE SPRINKLED AS YOU EXCEED 7,500 SQUARE FEET.
THE BUILDING HAS TO BE SPRINKLED.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE ALLOWING FOR THIS BUILDING TYPE, BUT IT WILL HAVE TO BE SPRINKLED AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING A 13 D SYSTEM
SO THE, THE 10,500 HERE THEN IS DIFFERENT THAN 7,500 SOMEWHERE ELSE IN HERE.
UM, WE'RE, SO THIS IS JUST DEFINING A CONSOLIDATED DRILLING UNIT COULD NEVER EXCEED 10,500.
IF IT DOES, THEN YOU ARE, THEN IT GOES TO COMMERCIAL DWELLING SIDE.
UNDER THE IC, SO WE WENT THREE BEDROOM, THREE BATH.
IF YOU REALLY GOT BIG WITH IT, YOU DIP OVER THAT YOU, THEN YOU GO TO IBC.
JARED, JUST, UH, INFORMATION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS NOW, BUT AT SOME POINT, UH, IN YOUR PRESENTATION, I WOULD LIKE A FURTHER EXPLANATION AND I, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD WANT AS WELL, BECAUSE I DON'T, FROM A CODE STANDPOINT, I DON'T SEE A 13 D WORKING FOR THIS E WHICH ONE WAS IT THAT YOU SAID? 13 B GO AHEAD.
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HAVE EXCEED 7,500 SQUARE FEET OR IF YOU HAVE PARKING ABOVE OR BELOW DWELLING, YEAH.WHAT WOULD THE, THE ORIGINAL GOAL IS UNDER 7,500.
THE REASON WE ARE, THE REASON I'M, UM, CLARIFYING PARKING ABOVE OR BELOW A DWELLING UNIT IS BECAUSE IF YOU WANTED TO BUILD, IF YOU WANTED TO BUILD THE BUILDING AND HAVE ATTACHED PARKING, SAY OVER HERE TO THE SIDE, RIGHT? WE, WE'VE SEEN NO NEED TO SPRINKLE THE ENTIRE BUILDING JUST TO THE GARAGES ARE BECAUSE EVEN UNDER THE IDP RIGHT NOW, I SAY IT THAT WAY, IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE A ONE HOUR FIRE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE UNITS.
IF THAT'S JUST A HORIZONTAL SEPARATION, WE DIDN'T FEEL THE NEED TO SPRINKLE IN.
SO REGARDLESS, UH, 7,500 AND ABOVE YOU NEED SPRINKLE.
IT'S JUST INSTEAD OF I RECEIVED THE IR BY SPRINKLER.
SO HE WAS, IF WE KEPT, IF WE KEPT THE MAXIMUM BUILDING SIZE AT 7,500 WITH TUCK UNDER PARKING, YOU COULDN'T GET A, WHAT I'M GONNA CALL FULL SIZE UNITS.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO, YOU WOULD HAVE TO START PRODUCING A LOT OF STUDIOS.
AND WE SAW THAT AS NOT BEING CONDUCIVE TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR FAMILIES.
SO WE INCREASED THE AMOUNT JUST BY WE INCREASED, WE ADDED 3000 SQUARE FEET SO THAT THE, YOU WERE TALKING ON REPORT.
OKAY, WELL YOU WILL GET INTO THE 13 D UNIT.
ARE WE 13 D TYPE IN THIS OR WE TALKING ABOUT, I'LL GO AHEAD.
SO 13 D RIGHT NOW IS, WHAT IS IBC UHHUH, THAT'S WHAT IBC 13 FIVE IS 13 D.
13 R ORDER, BUT IT'S A 13 R 13 D UNDER R THREE UNDER R THREE I.
BUT 13 R IS MORE OF A COMMERCIAL TYPE SYSTEM.
IT'S 13 R IS A RESIDENTIAL SYSTEM, BUT IT'S A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING UNDER THE C.
BUT IT'S NOT AS, THERE'S ANOTHER SIMPLER SYSTEM.
THE 13 R IS A LESS YEAH, IT'S A LESS EXPEND SYSTEM.
THE IRC RIGHT NOW REQUIRES A 13 B ON HOMES, DUPLEXES AND TOWN HOMES THAT EXCEED SEVEN 13.
WHAT ABOUT THE MULTIPURPOSE FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEM? I ASSUMING THAT THESE ARE ALL SEPARATELY WATER METER I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH.
THAT SAID OF DALLAS CODE
SO PEOPLE DOING A STANDALONE SYSTEM THAT YOU HAVE TO, IF THIS ONE, SOMEONE DESCRIBED IT TO ME, IT'S AN AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEM, BUT THE HOMEOWNER CAN TURN THE VALVE OFF IF THEY NEED TO.
YOU CAN DO THE SAME WITH THE COURSE, BUT NO, YOU CANNOT TURN OFF THE SYSTEM AND MAKE CHANGES WITHOUT FIRST GOING THROUGH A A LOT OF RIGOROUS, OKAY.
SO MY WHOLE OWNING POINT WAS IF THESE ARE SEPARATELY, UH, UH, METERED WATER METERED, UH, UNITS, THEN PURPOSE SYSTEM MIGHT BE A GOOD CHOICE.
I'M JUST NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS, SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO WELL, THE MULTIPURPOSE SYSTEM, AS JOE HAS ALLUDES TO THE MULTIPURPOSE SYSTEM IS, IS BY STATE LAW ALLOWED TO BE INSTALLED BY PLUMBERS.
AND ONE, ONE IMPORTANT FACT TO KEEP IN MIND ON THE MULTIPURPOSE SYSTEM IS A LICENSED, YOU HAVE TO BE LICENSED.
WELL LICENSED, YES, OF COURSE, BUT IT DOES NOT REQUIRE THE SAME TYPE OF MAINTENANCE AND, AND UPKEEP THAT IS REQUIRED BY THE NFPA 13 SYSTEMS. AND THAT'S A GOOD THING BECAUSE FIRST OFF, IF YOU'RE USING, FOR EXAMPLE, AN OPEN OR X TYPE OF TITAN SYSTEM THAT'S PASSING THROUGH AND IT'S BEEN SIZED PROPERLY, ASSUMING ALL OF THIS, THEN YOU'RE RIGHT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO FLUSH THE SYSTEM EVERY YEAR.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT THE BACKFLOW OR VENDOR DEVICE AND HAVE IT CHECKED EVERY YEAR.
NONE OF THIS HAS TO TAKE PLACE BECAUSE IF YOUR FAUCETS ARE WORKING, THEN YOUR FIRE PROTECTION IS WORKING.
THAT'S WHY IT'S, IT'S SO A QUESTION.
SO MULTIPURPOSE SYSTEM IS MULTI MEANING YOU'RE USING BOTH YOUR DOMESTIC WATER AS WELL AS IT'S PROTECTING
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YOU AND SO MUCH OF YOUR FIRE SYSTEM.SO, BUT IT'S LESS SIGNIFICANT? LESS SIGNIFICANT? NO, NO, WE'RE TALKING LIFE SAFETY.
I'M SAYING THE MULTI-SYSTEM PURPOSE, MULTI-PURPOSE REFERRING TO, IS IT LESS SUBSTANTIAL THAN A 13 METER SYSTEM? NOT AT ALL.
IT'S JUST NOT A STANDALONE SYSTEM.
SO IT'S JUST DOUBLE YOUR DOMESTIC WATER PIPES AS YOUR FIRE SPRINKLER PIPE IS NECESSARILY, IT DOES INCREASE THE SIZE.
YOU DO HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE ROOM SIZE AND SO FORTH.
13 D IS WHAT IS NOW REQUIRED FOR TOWNHOUSES.
NOT ONLY THE COST TO MAINTAIN STANDALONE THE SYSTEM, WHICH IF YOU'RE DOING, IF WE'RE DOING REHOUSING, WE WANT TO BE AS PRUDENT AS POSSIBLE.
THE OTHER PART OF THE STORY IS, AS A PLUMBER, WHAT I NOTED WAS DURING FREEZE BREAKS OR BLACKOUTS IN THE WINTER OR ANY OF THOSE TYPE OF SITUATIONS, PRIMARY PRODUCTS THAT FROZE AND BROKE AND FLOODED AND DID ALL THE DAMAGE, WERE ACTUALLY, AS IT TURNS OUT, FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEM, STANDALONE FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEMS. SO ALL I WOULD BE PROPOSING IS THAT WE OUGHT TO THINK ABOUT INTRODUCING THE MULTIPURPOSE SYSTEM.
AND YES, I, I HAVE AN ENGINEER SEAL FOR THAT SYSTEM IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
I JUST THINK IT IS, IT'S A WISER ROUTE TO GO.
SO IT IS A 13 D SYSTEM REQUIRED TO HAVE ITS OWN SUPPLY RIGHT NOW AND NOT BE MULTI THE SYSTEM I'M REFERENCING NO, BUT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT.
NO, YOU CAN, YOU CAN BRING IN A WATER FOR THE STANDALONE SYSTEM AND THEN SPLIT IT OFF AT THE HOUSE, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, FEED IT TO A, UH, REDUCED BACKFLOW PREVENTION SYSTEM THAT SEPARATES IT SO YOUR DOMESTIC WATER DOESN'T GET CONTAMINATED, STAGNANT WATER BACK INTO IT.
SO YES, YOU CAN USE THE SAME SUPPLY, BUT IT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN DOING IT, AND YOU CAN'T HAVE A CUTOFF PRIOR TO THAT.
YEAH, I WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT, BUT LET ME GET THROUGH THE STUDY.
UM, SO THE LOGIC OF THE 13 D RIGHT NOW, IF YOU BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY,
THE, THE ORIGINAL DRAFT FROM THE CITY SAYS 13 R.
WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO 13 R BUT OUR LOGIC WAS IF THE CITY THINKS IT'S OKAY FOR SINGLE FAMILY, TWO FAMILY AND INFINITE NUMBER OF TOWN HOMES, WE THINK THAT LOGIC APPLIES.
UH, ALARM SYSTEM FOR, WE WOULD TALK ABOUT THAT FOR, WELL, THAT, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED.
I THINK AT ONE TIME WE TALKING ABOUT FIVE TO EIGHT UNITS, MAYBE ADDING ALARM SYSTEM BEFORE AND ENTER DO NOT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING CAN BE CONSIDERED AS MARKET PACKAGE.
I'M, I'M NOT, UH, PULLING OF INFORMATION.
I'M NOT SURE THAT'S WHAT HIS QUESTION WAS.
UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SUPERVISORY REQUIREMENT FOR AN ALARM SYSTEM AS OPPOSED TO YEAH.
HEY, UH, WE'RE GONNA, HAVE WE JUST LOST SOMEBODY HERE? NEED VALENTI TIME? SO LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS IF ANYBODY ELSE NEEDS TO GRAB SOME MORE TO EAT OR GO TO BATHROOM.
PROBABLY NEED TO GET BACK ON THE LIST.
JUST DOESN LESS STRICT REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT? ME? SORRY.
DID WE SAY WE'RE TAKING A FIVE MINUTE RECESS? WE'RE BACK AT ONE 15.
ALRIGHT, SO DAVID WILL BE BACK IN, IN A MINUTE.
WE WANNA PICK UP, EVERYBODY CAN HEAR US ONLINE.
EVERYBODY GOOD? I HAD, UH, MENTIONED TO JARED PROBABLY SOUNDS LIKE THE QUESTIONS WE'RE GETTING THERE.
DON'T HAVE TO GO OVER ALL THE STUFF THAT'S THERE.
I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSE, SO THANK YOU.
SO, UM, STARTING WITH SOUND RATINGS RIGHT NOW, THE, THE CITY HAS ADOPTED WHAT THEY
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CALL APPENDIX K MM-HMMUM, THAT SHOULD REALLY READ AK.
SO THERE'S A, AT, AT THE END OF THE SOUND RATING TRANSMISSION SECTION.
THAT'S THIS HERE, THAT'S JUST RECOMMENDED.
IT'S JUST CLARIFICATION APPENDIX K AS THE CITY ADOPTED IT.
UH, WE JUST ADDED THE DEF THE WORDING.
A CONSOLIDATED DRAWING UNIT OR A PUBLIC SPACE TO THIS DEFINITION.
THE, THE PUBLIC SPACE, UM, IS INTENDED TO BE FOUR DOORS OR IF THERE'S ANY OTHER PUBLIC AREA OF ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS.
SO I'LL GO BACK TO YOUR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CALLING THIS PUBLIC SPACE, IT'S NOT PRIVATE TO ANY RESIDENT OR DOORS, HALLWAYS.
AND WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CLEARLY SAY IS YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A SOUND RATING REQUIREMENT BETWEEN UNITS MM-HMM
AS WELL AS BETWEEN THE UNIT AND THE CORRIDOR.
THAT FOR THE CITY TOO, RIGHT? YES.
I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY EFFECT ON FIRE SAFETY OR ANYTHING.
SO AK 1 0 2 0.1, AK 1 0 3 0.1, I LISTED THOSE HERE.
SO EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEING REQUIRED.
PLEASE TALK ABOUT AIRBORNE AND STRUCTURE BORNE SOUND.
THIS WILL BE TO THE WALL OR THE FLOOR CEILING.
WE ARE NOT CHANGING THOSE DEFINITIONS AT ALL.
THEY CAN REMAIN IN THE IC AS IT'S GONNA BE ADOPTED.
WILLIE FRANKLIN, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.
I JUST LEARNED THAT I CAN MAKE COMMENTS.
YOU GO BACK TO SLIDES ABOUT THE PUBLIC SPACE WHEN YOU WERE SHOWING THE, THE UNITS FOR THE FLOOR PLAN.
SO FOR A RESIDENTIAL PERSPECTIVE, IF THOSE UNITS ARE ALL SINGLE FAMILY, THEN IT, IT CAN'T BE SOMEONE HAS TO MAINTAIN THE PUBLIC SPACE.
AND IF THAT'S A SINGLE FAMILY UNIT, THEN WHO WOULD MAINTAIN THAT PUBLIC SPACE? WELL, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT AT THIS AS A CONDO.
THIS IS FOR RELEASE
YEAH, IT COULD BE A, YEAH, I MEAN THE, YEAH, I COULD BUY IT AND LEASE IT OUT OR I CAN BUY IT AND I CAN OWN IT FOR MY FAMILY.
SO IF IT'S A PUBLIC SPACE, THEN THAT MEAN IT HAS TO BE A TYPE OF THIRD PARTY MANAGING SYSTEM, WHICH NOW BC SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CONDO, THERE WOULD BE AN HLA DIRECTLY THAT, BUT THIS IS, THESE ARE ALL USER ENGINE INSIDE, LET'S SEE, USE
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT INTENDED TO DESIGN FOR SALE FOR INDIVIDUAL SALE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT SOMEONE COULD DO IT.
THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE WROTE ARE ASSUMED THIS IS CORRECT, NOT TRUE.
EVEN IT OWN OCCUPY, YOU HAVE A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION THAT
AND, AND IF I'M MISUNDERSTANDING THIS, SOMEONE, SOMEONE PLEASE DO CORRECT ME.
YOU'RE SAYING SOMETHING'S UNDER IBC FOR THAT? WELL, I'M SAYING AT, AT THE POINT THAT THESE ARE INDIVIDUALLY SOLD AND IT'S NOW COMMON SPACE OR PUBLIC SPACE.
WHO WOULD MAINTAIN IF THE CITY CANNOT ORDER A PRIVATE FEE OR A PRIVATE HOA? THAT'S A, THAT'S A PRIVATE MATTER.
YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN DO IT OUT LOUD.
WE PROBABLY CAN LOOK AT IT AFTERWARDS.
UM, SO TAKING THE, THE DEF TAKING THE DRAFT DEFINITIONS OR TAKING THE DRAFT RECOMMENDATION FOR MODIFYING SECTION R 3 0 2 0.3, THE DRAFT STATED IT'S GOING TO DELETE SECTION THREE OF 2.3 ENTIRETY AND REPLACE IT THROUGH THE LANGUAGE.
WE ARE, WE ARE TAKING AN OPPOSITE APPROACH TO THAT.
WE'RE SAYING KEEP IT AS WRITTEN, ADD CONSOLIDATED DRILLING UNITS TO THE TITLE, WHICH IS THIS HERE, CLARIFY THAT THIS SECTION AND EXCEPTIONS APPLY ONLY TO TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS.
THAT'S WHY WE ADD THIS LANGUAGE AND A TWO FAMILY DWELLING.
THEN WE'RE CREATING A NEW PARAGRAPH OR SETS OF PARAGRAPHS, WHICH IS THESE THREE, WHICH ADDRESS CONSOLIDATED DWELLINGS.
AND THE INTENT OF THIS IS JUST TO TRY TO MODIFY THE CODE AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE TO CREATE AS LESS INFUSION AS POSSIBLE.
THOSE ARE NEW THAT YOU GUYS WROTE.
UM, BUT LIKE YOU DON'T SEE THIS ALL IN RED, SO
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YOU'RE ONLY SEEING WHAT WE CHANGED FROM THE DEFINITION OF MOVEMENT DWELLING, THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO FAMILY DWELLING AND A CONSOLIDATED DWELLING, JUST WHAT'S IN RED.SO WE'RE ADDING CONSOLIDATED DWELLING FOR CLARIFICATION.
WE'RE STATING THAT THE RATED ASSEMBLIES NEED TO GO TO THE INTERIOR SIDE OF EXTERIOR SHEETING OR TO THE ROOT REPORT ACT.
WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE STOPPING THEIR FIRE RATING AT THE INSIDE BASIS.
STU, ESSENTIALLY WE WANT IT TO GO AS CLOSE TO THE OUTSIDE BUILDING AS WE CAN.
WE ALSO DON'T WANNA STOPPING AT THE CEILING.
WE WANT IT TO GO TO THE ROOF DECK, BUT WE'RE STATING FLOOR DECK AND CONSOLIDATED DWELLING.
BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A UNIT OVER A UNIT AND THE UNIT ABOVE IS NOT THE SAME FOOTPRINT UNIT BELOW, IT MIGHT NEED TO STOP AT THE FLOOR CEILING ASSEMBLY.
BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T WANNA STOP AT THE CEILING BOTTOM OF THE TRU.
WE WANNA GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE DECK.
AND IT IS FOR SOUNDING AND FIRE REASONS, DRAFT STOPPING REASONS, IT'S JUST BETTER CONSTRUCTION.
UM, IN CONVERSATION, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION OF IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW AN PLEX WITHOUT A FIRE, SPRINKLR, LET'S CREATE TWO OUT FIRE RATE ASSEMBLIES.
AFTER, AFTER WE DIVE INTO THE CODE, BECOMING VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT, DISCUSSING IT INTERNALLY, WE DECIDED WE DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
WE ARE PROPOSING IT CAN STILL BE ONE HOUR RATED CONSTRUCTION, WHAT WE'RE BRINGING IN, WHAT THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS ALREADY ADOPTED FOR TOWNHOME.
UH, I'M GONNA CALL IT A PARTY BALL.
I DON'T WANNA USE COMMONWEALTH 'CAUSE THAT'S A SEPARATE, SEPARATE DEFINITION.
UH, BUT WHAT THIS IS IS TWO ONE HOUR RATED WALLS.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY TWO HOUR RATED CONSTRUCTION.
UH, BUT YOU'RE, WE'RE NOT SAYING YOU NEED TO GET A UL DEF A UL ASSEMBLY FOR TWO HOURS.
WE'RE SAYING YOU NEED TO GET A UL ASSEMBLY FOR ONE HOUR AND DO THAT TWICE.
UM, SO IT, AT A MINIMUM, WHAT THAT IS, IS DRYWALL STUD, DRYWALL, AIR GAP, DRYWALL, STUD DRYWALL.
AND THEY ACHIEVE THAT BY, THEY CAN BUILD THE FIRST WALL, THE SECOND WALL HAS TO BE BUILT FLAT, AND THEY LEAN IT UP INTO PLACE.
UM, THAT WILL PROVIDE BETTER PROTECTION THAN EVEN A TWO HOUR RATE OF, UM, IT PROVIDES VERY GOOD SOUND RECORDS.
SO, AND THAT'S ALLOWED UNDER THE TOWN HOMES.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE JUST FLYING THE LOGIC.
IF YOU'RE OKAY PUTTING THOSE IN TOWN HOMES AND THERE'S INFINITE NUMBER OF THOSE, WE'RE LIMITING IT TO EIGHT.
WE, WE THINK THAT IT'S, WE THINK THAT IT'S EQUAL.
UM, NOW WE'RE GETTING DOWN TO SINGLE EXITS.
KEEP IN MIND, SINGLE EXITS ARE IN, IN SMALL APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
UNDER THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE, SINGLE EXITS ARE ALLOWED AS LONG AS THE OCC OXYGEN LOAD DOES NOT EXCEED 15.
UM, SO WE'RE NOT, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT ALLOWING SOMETHING UNDER THE IRC THAT'S NOT ALREADY ALLOWED UNDER THE IBCC WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SINGLE EXITS.
SO AGAIN, EVERYTHING IN BLACK IS WHAT'S ALREADY APPROVED UNDER THE IRC FOR EITHER DUPLEX OR TOWN HALL.
ALL WE ARE DOING, THE CHANGES THAT WE ARE MAKING ARE JUST WHAT'S IN RED.
UM, SO WE'RE ADDING LANGUAGE TO THE, I'VE DISCUSSED THIS ALREADY, BUT I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH IT SINCE IT'S HERE.
BRING FOUR MAXIMUM OF FOUR UNITS PER FLOOR ONLY WHEN THAT STORY IS ABOVE OR BELOW THE LEVEL OF EX EXIT DISCHARGE.
SO IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A SECOND FLOOR OR A BASEMENT, IT IS LIMITED TO FOUR, BUT YOUR GROUND FLOOR GRADE LEVEL CAN BE IN ALL EIGHT UNITS IF IT WANTS TO BE.
WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO NOT LIMIT DESIGN AND CREATIVITY WITH JUST THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, BOX UP FOR YOU.
UM, NUMBER TWO IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE.
WE'RE LIMITING THE EXIT ACCESS TRAVEL DISTANCE TO 125 FEET.
IF YOU WERE UNDER THE IBC, YOU WOULD BE ALLOWED UP TO 250 FEET BECAUSE HER SPRINKLED WITH AT LEAST A 13, WELL, I CAN'T REMEMBER IT WAS 13 OR 13.
BUT IN GENERAL, BECAUSE THE BUILDING'S SPRINKLED UNDER THE IVC, YOU GO UP TO TWO 50 FEET, WE'RE CUTTING THAT IN HALF AND SAYING EVEN IF YOU SPRINKLE IT, YOU STILL CANNOT EXCEED 125 FEET.
UM, EVEN THE LANGUAGE, I'M SORRY.
EVEN IF YOU CAN SEE WHAT YOU CANNOT SEE A 1 25 FEET EVEN.
SO YOU, YOU HAVE TO GO FROM THE, YOU, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE THIRD FLOOR AND YOU KNOW, IN WORST CASE SCENARIO, YOU GO UP TO THIRD FLOOR UNIT ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF THE CLOSET AND YOU HAVE TO GET FROM THAT CLOSET TO WHAT'S DEFINED AS AN EXIT WITHIN 125 FEET.
THAT IS EITHER FROM THE THIRD FLOOR TO THE FIRST FLOOR TO THE OUTSIDE FACE OF THE BUILDING.
UH, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN OPEN STAIR, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ENCLOSED INTERIOR EXIT STAIR, THEN THAT'S GETTING TO THE FIRE RATED DOOR THAT'S AT THAT STAIR ON THAT FLOOR.
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A DESIGN STANDPOINT, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT A SUPER HARD LIMITATION FOR YOU FOR ARCHITECTS 1 25 FEET.IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY LIMITING.
BUT IF YOU'RE ONLY PUTTING FOUR, FOUR UNITS ON THE UPPER FLOOR, IT'S VERY ACHIEVABLE.
I'M JUST SAYING 'CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE CONSIDERING THE SIZE OF UNITS, YOU KNOW? YEAH, YEAH, WE ARE.
PRETTY MUCH WHAT IT'S GONNA SAY IS YOU, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DO A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT UNIT AND A BUNCH OF FIVE FOOT SQUARE FOOT UNITS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MEET THAT 1 25 FOOT TRAVEL DISTANCE UNLESS THAT UNIT IS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
IT'S, IT'S JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT PUTTING BIG PENTHOUSES ON THE TOP FLOORS, ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT'S DOING.
ON THAT, ON THAT, UH, TRAVEL DISTANCE.
UH, IS THIS BASED ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE ENTIRE, WHETHER IT'S FOUR OR EIGHT UNITS, IS FULLY SPRINKLED? NO.
IT'S WHETHER YOU'RE SPRINKLED OR NOT, YOU CANNOT EXCEED 121.
SEE, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A HISTORICAL STANDPOINT.
I THINK THERE'S A CONTRADICTION.
UH, I THINK EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS THAT THE CURRENT IBC AND IRC AS PUBLISHED ASSUME SPRINKLERS.
SO THE 1 25 FEET AND THE INCREASE BASED ON SPRINKLERS IS CLEARLY IN THERE.
YOU'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE 2000, 2003 ADDITIONS OF THE IBC TO GET THE CORRELATING MAXIMUM TRAVEL DISTANCES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS FOR A NON BUILDING.
SO THIS IS NOT COMPARING APPLE TO APPLE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
ARE ARE YOU SAYING IT'S LESS, IT'S LIKE YEAH, IT IS LESS.
JARED, I, I KIND OF RELATED TO THIS.
LIKE, I GUESS I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND, LIKE IF TRADITIONALLY THE CODE ALWAYS ALLOWS YOU SOME GRACE IF YOU'RE PROVIDING SPRINKLERS, SO TO SAY THAT IT CAN'T EXCEED THE 1 25 REGARDLESS OF SPRINKLE, I, I THINK WE'LL HAVE SOME CHALLENGES ON THAT.
BUT I MEAN, I THINK WE ALL AGREE HAVING A WINKLER SYSTEM MAKES A BUILDING MORE SAFE AND FOR THEM TO STILL HAVE THAT LIMIT.
I GUESS I, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I'VE HEARD SO FAR THAT I'M KIND OF LIKE NOT SURE ABOUT.
SO I, I WILL GET WHAT'S THE GRU AND GO THROUGH IT THAT MAYBE AN OVERSIGHT ON OUR PART.
OUR INTENT WAS 125 FEET IS WE THOUGHT THAT WAS WHAT WAS ALREADY REQUIRED UNDER THE TOWN HOME CODE CODE AND THE TOWN.
BUT MAXIMUM, I'D LIKE TO SAY WE'LL GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK IT.
MAXIMUM, I'LL, I'LL BACK OFF THAT.
IF THERE'S SOME OTHER OVERALL LIMIT FOR TOWN HOMES OR SOMETHING LIKE ELSE, I, I GUESS I GET IT.
AND MAYBE THE NON SPRINKLER NEEDS TO BE LESS THAN THE 1 25, BUT I DON'T KNOW, JUST TO HAVE A, UH, SPRINKLE AND NOT HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL LENIENCY IS, IS ODD.
AND UNDER THE IBC WHEN IT DID ALLOW UNS SPRINKLED MULTI-FAMILY, THAT TRAVEL DISTANCE UNDER THE SAME SCENARIO WAS LIMITED TO 50 FEET.
AND THEN IF YOU SPRINKLE IT, IT ALLOWED IT TO TO BE INCREASED.
WHAT SECTION IS THAT? YOU HAVE THE SECTION? UH, YEAH, I BROUGHT IT.
IT'S, IT'S THE EARLIER VERSION.
THAT 2003 RESIDENTIAL OR NO, I-B-C-I-B-C, UM, NUMBER FOUR UNDER A SINGLE EXIT, WE'RE JUST ADDING OR TO THE DEFINITION AGAIN, IF SOMEONE, BECAUSE THE IR, THE IRC PREVIOUSLY BEING MAXED OUT IN TWO UNITS, UH, CORRIDORS WERE NEVER CONSIDERED.
SO, UH, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA STATE THAT OPENINGS AND CORRIDORS MAY BE RATED 45 MINUTES.
UM, THIS MIGHT BE A CONVERSATION WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IF THEY WANT 60 MINUTE DOORS.
AND WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO 60 MINUTE DOORS.
BUT 45 MINUTE IS COMMON APARTMENT BUILDING CONSTRUCTION CHIEF WILL, UM, DO YOU WANNA COMMENT ON THIS CHIEF BILL? CHIEF BRING THE STEP? YES.
SO YOU'RE SAYING, WHAT IS THE QUESTION? IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THAT RETROFITTED TO 60 INSTEAD OF 45 MINUTES? YEAH.
AND, UH, SO IN THE CORRIDOR, WE ARE, WE ARE SUGGESTING A ONE HOUR CORRIDOR.
DO YOU, ARE YOU GOOD WITH 45 MINUTE RATED ENTRY DOORS? OR DO YOU WANT THOSE TO BE INCREASED TO 60 MINUTES? 60 MINUTES WOULD BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ONE HOUR, WOULDN'T IT? UH, AND WE'RE, WE'RE JUST COMPARING THIS TO OUR, YOU KNOW, IN OUR TWO APARTMENT BUILDING WITH OPEN BREEZEWAYS.
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UM, I BELIEVE THOSE WOULD TYPICALLY BE 45 MINUTE RATED.UH, BUT, BUT WE'RE FINE WITH 60 OF 60.
THAT'S, THAT'S A ACTUALLY IN, IN A STANDARD ONE HOUR RATED QUARTER FOR OUR TWO MULTIFAMILY IS ONE HOUR, QUARTER, 20 MINUTE RATED DOORS.
IT'S JUST A SMOKE AND DRAFT CONTROL DOOR.
AND THOSE ARE OFTEN EVEN IS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THERE'S 20 MINUTE DOORS.
'CAUSE IT'S JUST A 30 MINUTE CORRIDOR RATING.
NO, IT'S A, IT'S ONE HOUR, IT'S STILL ONE HOUR SPRINKLES WHERE ALLOW IT TO BE REDUCED TO A HALF HOUR.
BUT, BUT THE OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO DROP BELOW ONE HALF HOUR.
AND WE'RE NOT, WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, I'M NOT THERE YET.
A TWO FAMILY DWELLING IS ALLOWED TO REDUCE A CORRIDOR TO HALF HOUR.
WE ARE, BY SPRINKLING, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING, SORRY, NOT A QUARTER DEMISING WALL.
WE'RE GONNA PROPOSE THAT THESE UNITS ALWAYS HAVE A ONE HOUR FIRE RATING.
SO NUMBER FIVE, ON SINGLE EXITS, UH, THE EXIT STAIRWAYS SHALL BE 36 INCHES.
WE'RE ADDING THE LANGUAGE AND PER SECTION 3 11 7 1, ALL THAT IS DOING IS POINTING THEM TO THE CODE SECTION WHERE STAIR WIDTHS ARE REGULATED.
UM, JUST SO THEY GET ALL THE DETAILS UPSTAIRS, UH, IT ALSO DEFINES THAT THE 36 INCHES IS, IS CLEAR ABOVE THE HANDRAILS.
IT COULD BE LESS THAN 36 INCHES BELOW THE HANDRAILS, UH, PER CURRENT IRC DEFINITION.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE JUST POINTING 'EM TO THAT SECTION, SECTION TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S READING ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S PERTINENT TO IT.
UM, WE ARE ADDING CONSOLIDATED DWELLINGS TO THE LIST.
SO THIS IS, WE'RE INTO FIRE SPRINKLING.
WE'VE TOUCHED ON THIS SOME, AND I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THE RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE.
WE'RE ADDING CONSOLIDATED DWELLINGS TO THE TITLES.
WE'RE ADDING CONSOLIDATED DWELLINGS TO THE DESCRIPTION AS WELL AS TOWN HOMES.
THE REASON FOR THAT IS TOWN HOMES RIGHT HERE WAS ADDED TO THE DEFINITION AND PREVIOUS CITY AMENDMENTS.
IT WAS JUST NOT SPECIFICALLY ADDED TO THE DESCRIPTION.
SO WE ADDED IT TO THE DESCRIPTION OF CLARITY.
THE NEXT IMPORTANT INFORMATION IS WE ADDED LANGUAGE THAT COMES FROM THE TOWN HOME CODE CONCERNING SPRINKLERS AND GARAGES.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THIS INSIDE AND OUT TO TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT THIS MEANS, BUT IT'S, IT'S SPECIFYING A SPECIFIC LEVEL OF PERFORMANCE FOR THOSE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. WHEN A GARAGE IS INTRODUCED, UM, WE ARE JUST ADDING AN EXCEPTION.
WE'RE LEAVING EXCEPTIONS ONE, TWO, AND THREE AS THEY APPLY TO TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS ALONE.
WE ARE JUST ADDING AN EXCEPTION FOR, FOR CONSOLIDATED DWELLING UNITS.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS THE KEY LANGUAGE.
UM, A CONSOLIDATED DWELLING UNIT IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE SPRINKLED IF ALL THE FOLLOWING ARE MET.
THE DWELLING BUILDING MUST BE 7,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS AN AREA.
AND VEHICLE PARKING CANNOT BE PROVIDED ABOVE OR BENEATH THE DWELLING UNITS IN THE BUILDING.
WHAT THIS MEANS IS IF YOU WANT TO ADD A PARKING GARAGE STRUCTURE NEXT TO AND ATTACH TO THE BUILDING, THAT'S OKAY.
BUT AS SOON AS YOU HAVE SLEEPING UNITS ABOVE THOSE OR BELOW THOSE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPRINKLE THE ENTIRE BUILDING NO MATTER WHAT.
NOW, SOME YOU COULD ARGUE THAT JUST BECAUSE THERE'S PARKING ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING AT ALL, IT COULD BE SPRINKLED.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LEAN ONTO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THE GROUP DID, DID NOT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW YOU CAN BUILD A RESIDENCE WITH A PARKING GARAGE WITH A SINGLE FAMILY OR DUPLEX WITH ATTACHED GARAGES, AND THERE IS NO FIRE RATING SEPARATION BETWEEN THAT GARAGE AND THAT UNIT BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE.
UM, WE'RE SAYING THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE IN THIS BUILD, IN THIS NEW BUILDING TYPE, YOU MUST PUT THE ONE HOUR FIRE RATED WALL.
BUT IT, WE DON'T, WE SEE A SIGNIFICANTLY LESS HAZARD BETWEEN THE PARKING AND THE RE RESIDENCES.
IF IT IS JUST A HORIZONTAL WALL, WE, BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA DO TUCK UNDER PARKING, JUST LIKE WE'RE DOING AT TOWN HOME, YOU HAVE TO SPRINKLE IT.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT ON THAT.
I WOULD SAY AS I THINK AS WILLIE POINTED OUT A LITTLE, A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A COMMON PARKING GARAGE BAR FOR EVERYBODY, WHETHER IT'S FOUR UNITS OR EIGHT UNITS, YOU'RE NOT, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AN IRRC BUILDING ANYMORE.
I THINK THAT GOES TO THE IBC PERIOD.
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WHEN, WHEN THE, WHEN THE IRC MENTIONS GARAGES IN THAT BOOK, THE ASSUMPTION IS NORMALLY MADE THAT THAT GARAGE IS PART OF THE INDIVIDUAL DWELLING UNIT.A PERSON CAN LEAVE THEIR UNIT, GO DIRECTLY INTO THE, INTO THEIR GARAGE, NOT BE BOTHERED BY ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER HACK, UH, UNITS OR INHABITANTS.
SO THAT'S STRICTLY PART OF THAT CONSOLIDATE.
THAT'S CONFUSING BASED ON THIS LANGUAGE, BUT THAT'S PART OF THAT, NO PRIVATE PARKING VERSUS THAT'S ALL PARKING, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S A PRIVATE GARAGE.
IT IS NOT A COMMON PARKING GARAGE.
SO THAT'S TOTALLY SEPARATE FROM WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
SO THAT SHOULD NOT BE PART OF THIS PROPOSAL AND A MAINTENANCE ISSUE.
SO THEN I, THEN THE A I WOULD SAY THE A I A GROUP IS LOOKING FOR THE CITY'S RESPONSE TO THIS.
RIGHT? AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIGHT ANY RESPONSE FROM THE CITY ON THIS.
IT WAS OUR, IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM THE MEETING AT THE CITY OF DALLAS, OR NO, SORRY, AT THE A I A OFFICES THAT, I'LL SHOW THIS ONE AGAIN, THAT THIS TUCK UNDER PARKING.
AND, AND I'M NOT SAYING IT WAS EXPLAINED TO US FROM CITY STAFF.
EVERY, EVERYONE IN THE ROOM, ALL PARTIES AT STAKE, WE WERE TOLD THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO BUILD.
IT IS NOT PRIVATE ATTACHED PARKING SPACES.
IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S NOT FALSE OR WE DON'T WANT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT WE ARE NOT AWARE OF, WE ARE OKAY WITH THAT.
SO IF YOU GO TO YOUR FLOOR PLAN, YOUR FLOOR PLAN YES.
IS THE PROPOSAL WITH ADEQUATE PARKING ON THE SUBJECT LOT? NOT NECESSARILY WITH A PARKING.
SO SURFACE PARKING, BUT NOT STRUCTURED PARKING.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, UH, THIS IS GREAT.
I I WAS JUST THINKING IT'S PROBABLY SET SOMEWHERE IN HERE.
WE ALSO LIMIT MAXIMUM STORIES OF THREE.
UH, IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO PROVIDE SPRINKLE SYSTEM, IT HAS TO BE UNDER 7,500 SQUARE FEET.
AND ALSO, UM, THREE STORIES OR LESS.
IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE TWO BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO, WELL, IT COULD BE TRIPLEX, RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EIGHT, EIGHT UNITS.
BUT IT'S REALLY, YOU COULD DO THAT.
OR A TRIPLEX, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TRIPLE BACKER
UM, BUT IT'S THREE UNITS, BUT IT'S NO MORE THAN THREE STORIES.
IF YOU HAVE FOUR STORIES, YOU GO TO IB, C.
IS THAT OUT STAFF FOUR STORY GO TO ALREADY.
I THINK MAYBE YOU NEED TO CROSS REFERENCE HERE.
SO THERE'S NO, THE BEGINNING DEFINITION LIMITS IT TO THREE STORIES.
SO I JUST SUMMARIZE, MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING.
SO DAVID, YOUR POSITION RIGHT NOW IS IF YOU WANTED TO DO TUCK UNDER PARKING, YOU NEED TO GO TO IBC? YES.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
SO WE ALL AGREE IN THAT CASE GO TO IBC.
UM, THE FINAL THING IS CONSIDERING ACCESS ACCESSIBILITY.
THE AU PARKING, THAT'S IF IT'S A COMMON PARKING.
COMMON PARKING, WHAT IF IT'S PRIVATE PARKING? PRIVATE PARKING IS ALWAYS, HAS ALWAYS BEEN ALLOWED BY THE CODE.
AS LONG AS IT'S PART OF THAT
SO YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A STAIR FROM THAT PARKING SPACE INTO YOUR ABOVE.
YOU WENT AND MADE ONLY LIKE YOU TOOK YOUR FLOOR PLAN, YOU HAD THERE AND JUST YOU GOT 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, PICK UP THE GARAGE, PUT SOME DIVIDER WALLS IN THERE, AND ONLY MAKE EIGHT PARKING GARAGES.
AND IF YOU DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT OH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
AND THEN YOU COULD PUT A DOOR ON EACH ONE OF THEM IN SOME WAY, THEN I THINK THIS WOULD PLAY INTO IT.
OR IT COULD BE A PLEX, YOU KNOW, EACH CORNER IS TWO GARAGE AND THEN YEAH.
FOUR, TWO STORIES ABOUT THAT WILL WORK TOO.
IT WOULD SOMETHING LIKE I JUST DREW DOWN HERE MEAN YOUR DEFINITION OF PRIVATE GARAGE.
DOES IT HAVE TO BE ATTACHED TO THE UNIT? SO IF I GO IN HERE AND I CAN ACCESS MY, MY HOME AND THAT'LL BE A, A GARAGE FOR THAT PARTICULAR UNIT.
BUT IF I'M, IF I, SO A DOOR LIKE THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE, YOU'RE SAYING IT NEEDS TO ACCESS THE UNIT DIRECTLY? YEAH, IT WOULD'VE TO ACCESS THE UNIT.
BECAUSE IF I HAVE TO GO IN HERE, IS IT STILL A PARKING GARAGE? YEAH.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PRIVATE ATTACHED GARAGE.
A PRIVATE ATTACHED GARAGE, WHICH IS, I MEAN, TECHNICALLY BY, BY CODE IT CAN BE A, A DETACHED GARAGE.
BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE GARAGE ITSELF, NOT THE INDIVIDUAL, BUT THE OVERALL
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ASPECT OF THE GARAGE, LIKE THE TOP, WHAT I'M REFERRING TO.SO ALL THAT, LIKE THIS, MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS.
IF, SO WE'RE, WE'RE DISCUSSING, YOU KNOW, FOUR UNITS ABOVE.
THIS WORKS, THAT IDEA WORKS PERFECTLY WITH YOUR, UH, YOUR FOUR DUPLEXES THAT YOU SHOWED MM-HMM
THEN YES, THAT WOULD BE A, A EASY WORK ONE.
BUT IN THIS, SO, SO WE HAD FOUR UNITS HERE MM-HMM
AND THEY HAD PRIVATE STAIRS TO FOUR, TWO CAR PARKING GARAGES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER THIS.
WHEN I SEE, I SEE YOU, DAVE, YOU SEE ANY SHOOTING? NO.
SO FOUR UNITS WOULD HAVE ATTACHED PRIVATE GARAGES, FOUR UNITS WOULD HAVE SURFACE PARKING.
BECAUSE IT STOP TO MAINTAIN THAT GARAGE DOOR.
WE KNOW WHICH HOMEOWNER IS REQUIRED.
YOU HAVE THE SEPARATIONS BETWEEN EACH UNIT AND ITS GARAGE THAT'S REQUIRED FROM EACH UNIT TO UNIT THE WAY THE CODE TYPICALLY REQUIRES.
SO YOU ALMOST HAVE TO SURFACE PARK THIS CONSOLIDATED BUILDING AT LEAST A POINT.
THEN YOU'VE GOTTEN AWAY FROM THEN YOU'RE USING MORE LAND POINT.
SO I THINK I, I THINK LIKE, I MEAN, WHAT TYPE THE QUESTION IS, IS WHAT, UH, JARED AND THE A I A GROUP HAVE COME UP WITH.
IS THIS LIKE, IS THIS ALIGNED WITH WHAT CITY STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ON? YES, I THINK SO.
I THINK I REALLY APPRECIATE, I THINK A LOT OF THESE COMING FROM THE ARCHITECT, THEY WORK WITH THEIR CLIENT ALL THE TIME.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE.
SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS LIKE, HOW SIMILAR IS THIS TO WHAT CAMILLE, ARE YOU STILL GONNA PRESENT AFTER THIS? THIS THERE, THE COPY I DID IS JUST A BUILD UPON THE COPY WE DID ORIGINALLY.
SO WE, WE SENT OUT A DRAFT WEEKS AGO AND THEY BUILD UPON THAT.
SO THIS IS WHY WE'LL GO OUT AND ASK FOR COMMENT, TURN IT OFF.
I GUESS WHAT I'M GET, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT, UM, LIKE ARE WE VOTING TODAY? NO, WE'RE NOT.
WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO VOTE TODAY.
ARE WE TRYING TO VOTE LIKE AT THE NEXT MEETING? WOULD YOU BE LIKE, YES.
LIKE MARCH 21ST OR WHATEVER HAVE TIME? THERE ARE A FEW CHANGES ALREADY.
YOU HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT RESPONSE IS THE AI WILL LOOK AT THESE PROPOSED CHANGES FOR THOSE OF THE CITY, THE SAFETY, THE CITY WILL DRAFT A FORMAL ORDINANCE THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT LEGAL DOCUMENT THERE.
AND THEN THAT'S WHAT WE WILL BE PRESENTED WITH AND ATTEMPT TO VOTE ON POTENTIALLY NEXT, NEXT MONTH.
AND, AND TO, AND TO FURTHER ASK, ANSWER, UH, THIS QUESTION, THE, THE THE DRAFT VERSION THAT I JUST DROPPED OFF IN FRONT OF YOU MOMENTS AGO IS THE ONE I REFERRED TO THAT THAT TAKES THE EXCELLENT POINTS THAT JARED HAS JUST MADE AND, AND THE POINTS THAT CAMILLE MADE.
AND IT ACTUALLY COMBINES BOTH OF THOSE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A MORE UPTODATE VERSION.
BUT THE I ASK GROUP HAS NOT SENT IT NOT RIGHT.
I SENT IT OUT TO ALL THE MEMBERS LAST NIGHT, BUT APPARENTLY THEY HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT IT ON THAT TIMELINE.
IS IT GONNA GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT REGARD BASED BEFORE IT COMES? WELL, IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T SOUND LIKE NORMALLY THAT'S OUR PROCESS IS TO IS TO SEND OUT FOR PUBLIC COMING, BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YEAH.
SO WE WON'T GO TO COUNCIL UNTIL THIS DAY LOAD OR GIVE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
SO IT WILL BE A WHILE BEFORE COUNCIL.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE GOAL HERE TODAY? TODAY IS A BRIEFING.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT IT SAID IN THERE TO LISTEN TO LEARN, RIGHT.
IT'S NOT FROM THE CITY AND THE A I A ON THEIR, THEIR THOUGHTS AND DEVELOPMENT OF THIS.
THEN I THINK WHEN WE COME BACK AND VOTE, YOU'RE VOTING WHETHER OR NOT TO PRESENT THAT TO COUNCIL, TO PRESENT THAT TO COUNCIL.
AND IF YOU HAD ANY COMMENTS TO ADD OR SUBTRACT FROM IT AT THAT POINT, DOES THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT HAVE ANY, UM, ISSUES WITH WHAT, LIKE ALL THE NEW DEPARTMENTS WE JUST WENT OVER LIKE THAT? I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF A ISSUE HERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT'S WHY I, I REALLY APPRECIATE CHIEF BILL HAS BEEN ATTENDING A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS.
WE WEEK BEFORE THIS, WE ALSO HAVE WEEKLY MEETING WITH STAKEHOLDERS.
SO HE'S BEEN, UH, ATTENDING THAT.
SO CHIEF BILL, PLEASE DO FEEL FREE TO COMMENT WHEN, UM, WHEN NECESSARY.
I'M GONNA LET HIM FINISH THE ACCESSIBILITY PART OF HIS YES, PLEASE.
JARED WOULD BE COMPLETELY DONE TO
BUT, BUT ON THAT TOP, THE KEY THING THAT, THAT WE CHANGED, WE, THE A I A CHANGED COMPARED TO PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, AND I THINK WHAT
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THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD SEEN IS WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT A 13 D SYSTEM IS OKAY BECAUSE OF A 13 D SYSTEM.THAT APPEARS TO BE OKAY FOR SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX AND TOWN.
IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FEELS THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH, IT NEEDS TO BE A 13 R, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
OUR, OUR FIRST PASS OF THIS WAS LET'S LOOK AT WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE IRC, WHAT'S ALREADY ALLOWED.
AND IF IT FEELS OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND APPLY THAT TO AN APL.
UM, SO THE LAST TOPIC IS ACCESSIBILITY.
AGAIN, WHAT'S WRITTEN IN BLACK IS ALREADY ADOPTED.
UM, WE ARE ADDING THE TEXT AND REVS, WHICH BASICALLY SAID IF YOU'RE DOING A CONSOLIDATED, UM, IF YOU'RE DOING A CONSOLIDATED DWELLING UNIT BUILDING, YOU NEED TO REFER TO SECTION LEVEL 1108 OF THE IBC WITH CITY OF DALLAS AMENDMENTS.
AND LOOK AT, LOOK AT HOW THEY KIND OF QUALIFY R TWO OCCUPANCIES.
YOU NEED TO MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS OR REQUIREMENTS OF R TWO OCCUPANCIES.
DALLAS ELOQUENTLY WROTE HOW TO INCORPORATE FAIR HOUSING TO NOW FAIR HOUSING IS A NATIONAL REQUIREMENT.
SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN PAY FINES AND GO TO JAIL OVER THIS IF DISCRIMINATION IF YOU DON'T DO IT PROPERLY.
SO THE FAIR HOUSING ACT, BASICALLY IT SAYS YOU CAN'T DISCRIMINATE WHEN YOU'RE RENTING AN APARTMENT OR RESIDENCE.
IT ONLY APPLIES TO BUILDINGS OR DEVELOPMENTS OF FOUR UNITS OR, OR MORE.
SO THE IRC NEVER HAD TO ADDRESS THIS BECAUSE IT WAS ALWAYS LOOKING AT ONE TWO COUNTY DWELLINGS.
WHEN LOOKING AT TOWN HOMES, THOSE TOWN HOMES ALREADY ALL ALWAYS KIND OF SEPARATED EVERY SO OFTEN.
UM, SO THIS IS A, SAY A BUILDER WHO'S FAMILIAR WITH THE IRC, UH, MAY NOT UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY DO A QUADPLEX OR AN AFLEX THAT FAIR HOUSING APPLIES.
SO RATHER THAN THREE FEET BETWEEN YOUR COUNTERTOPS IN THE KITCHEN, YOU'RE GONNA NEED 44 INCHES.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE GONNA MAKE ROOMS NEED TO BE LARGER.
WE JUST WANTED TO PUT IN HERE TO MAKE SURE ANYONE LOOKING AT THE FEDERAL COMMUNITY ROOM THAT THIS IS TRIGGERING OTHER RULES.
SO WE'RE REFERRING THEM BACK TO AGAIN, SECTION 1108 OF THE IVC WITH THE OF DALLAS AMENDMENTS.
AND WE'RE JUST STATING IT FOR THEM RIGHT HERE.
THAT CONSOLIDATED DRAWINGS MUST MEET THE FAIR HOUSING ACT.
WE'RE, WE'RE STATING IT TWICE.
WASN'T THERE LIKE A QUESTION LAST TIME AS FAR AS WHAT THE INTENDED USE WAS OF WHETHER IT FELL UNDER AFFORDABLE CARE OR THE FAIR HOUSING? ANYTHING OVER FOUR UNITS HAS TO BE FAIR.
THAT'S A FEDERAL LAW, SO EVERYBODY HAS TO COME, WHETHER IT'S IN HERE OR NOT.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE A REFERENCE HERE TO REMIND PEOPLE.
BUT, AND I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST SAY THIS TO THE GROUP SINCE WE'RE ALL HERE.
IF YOU WERE TO TRY TO BUILD WHAT WAS SHOWN HERE, THE TUCK HUNTER PARKING, THERE IS NO, UH, RESIDENT, THERE'S NO DWELLING UNIT ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
THEY'RE ALL ON THE UPPER FLOORS.
FAIR HOUSING SAYS THE SECOND FLOOR MUST NEED FAIR HOUSING AND THE ONLY, SO THAT MEANS YOU NEED ACCESSIBLE ACCESS.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ELEVATOR OR BEEN RAN OUT TO GET YOU TO SECOND.
SO THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S REQUIRED, THAT'S REQUIRED, THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR WHAT? YEAH, SEAT OF DALLAS CANNOT AFFECT THAT.
AND WHAT, WHAT YOU CAN DO THOUGH IS YOU CAN PUT ONE UNIT ON THE FIRST FLOOR WITH ALL YOUR TUCK INTO PARKING.
THAT UNIT ONLY HAS TO MEET FAIR HOUSING.
EVERYTHING ABOVE IS NOT
IT'S JUST THE WAY FAIR HOUSING IS WRITTEN.
ONLY OWE FOUR UNIT YOU ANYTHING, ANYTHING BEFORE YOU ANSWER ONE MORE.
SO I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION IS, A LOT OF THIS CODE IS, I, I MEAN, JERRY, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB JOB TODAY OF EXPLAINING THIS TO EVERY, LIKE EVERYBODY AND I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT LIKE, ARE DEVELOPERS COMING TO STAFF AND BEING LIKE, WE WANT TO DO THIS? OR ARE, OR IS STAFF SAYING LIKE, IS STAFF TRYING TO PROMOTE MORE BUILDING? I JUST, UM, I THINK IT'S BOTH.
GOING BACK TO WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS, I GUESS IT'S BOTH.
THIS IS A NATIONAL MOVEMENT, NOT JUST CITY OF DALLAS.
I JUST TALKED TO EL PASO YESTERDAY.
THEY ALREADY HAVE AFTER FOUR UNITS IN PLACE FOR 10 YEARS IN THE IRC AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT UP TO EIGHT UNITS.
SO THEY NOTICE WE'RE DOING THAT.
SO, UH, THERE'S A NICE MOVEMENT.
AND THE REASON IS NOT ONLY JUST TRYING TO INCREASE THE HOUSING SUPPLY, BECAUSE CURRENTLY IN DALLAS, I WAS TOLD BY SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS THAT MY ZONE DEVELOPING ARE NOT BUILT, UM, MORE THAN TWO UNIT BECAUSE BECAUSE THE CODE IS BARRIER.
THEY'RE BUILDING DUPLEX INSTEAD OF FOURPLEX OR PLEX.
SO THAT WILL, UH, BY REMOVING THE BARRIER, THAT WILL ALLOW THEM TO INCREASE
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THE HOUSING SUPPLY AND ALSO WILL DIVERSIFY THE HOUSING STOCK.CURRENTLY YOU HAVE A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY AND APARTMENT, BUT YOU HAVE VERY LITTLE LIKE PLEX.
HAS EL PASO'S, HAS EL PASO'S HOUSING STOCK INCREASED SINCE THEY'VE LOOSENED THESE RESTRICTIONS? UH, THAT'S, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY THE CASE.
AND THERE'S ARTICLE YESTERDAY ABOUT, UM, UH, WASHINGTON, UH, THEY HAVE, UH, A A ACTUALLY A, A STATISTIC.
I HAVE THE NUMBER SINCE THESE PASSES, HOW MANY OF THESE HAVE BEEN BUILT.
SO IT WAS, IT REALLY HELPED TO INCREASE THE SUPPLY, NOT JUST A SUPPLY, BUT THE TYPE OF HOUSING THAT IS NEEDED.
BECAUSE CURRENTLY I BUILD A TRIPLEX, I HAVE TO COMPLY.
I SEE THE SAME LEVEL AS THE 200 UNITS OR COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL, BUT TRIPLEX IN MY OPINION, IS CLOSER TO DUPLEX OR TOWN HOMES SET UP.
SO RIGHT NOW THERE ARE, SO IT IS VERY, VERY HIGH STANDARD.
THE REASON I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, THAT ALL THE, UH, INPUT IS FROM IBC TO IRC.
IT'S A CHANGE, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE SAFETY IS TO BE CONSIDERED RIGHT, LIKE THE FIRE SEPARATION, ALL OF THAT.
IF WE MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT TO, TO DO IN THE IRC ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY NOT GONNA DO IT.
AND ON THE SEPARATE NOTE, I THINK THE GOAL IS TO KEEP THIS ALSO IN THE IBC.
IN THE EVENT PEOPLE JUST SAY, I DON'T WANT TO IRC, I WANT TO IBC, THEY HAVE THE CHOICE.
SO THIS IS MORE LIKE A CHOICE.
YOU CAN STILL, ANYTIME YOU NEED A SPRINKLER 7,500 SQUARE, I STILL THINK IT NEED TO BE LOWER TO 7,500 SQUARE FEET.
YOU NEED TO GO IB, C OR GARAGE ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
THIS IS JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT TO BE AT RC SPECIAL DEVELOPER WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH IRC TO REVIEW AND TO EXPAND, UH, THEIR PORTFOLIO, I GUESS OF DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO HELP THIS MIDDLE HOUSING.
BUT THERE'S, THERE'S PAST CD COUNCILMEN WHO HAVE WANTED TO DO THIS FOR A WHILE AND AS CURRENT CD COUNCILING WHO ARE, WHO APPLYING PRESSURE, UH, OKAY.
I MEAN, I'M IN, I'M IN FAVOR OF TAKING STEPS TO INCREASE THE HOUSING STOCK.
I JUST LIKE, I, LIKE I WOULD'VE THAT LITTLE, THE LIKE THE REVIT MODEL THAT YOU PUT UP WAS LIKE PROBABLY LIKE THE MOST HELPFUL THING TO HELP VISUALIZE THIS.
AND I WAS JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE DEVELOPERS IN OUR CITY THAT ARE LIKE, HEY, I'M DOING THIS IN PLANO, OR LIKE, I'M DOING THIS IN ADDISON.
I JUST, UM, VERY SELECTIVE AROUND THE COUNTRY.
DID UH, FIRE HAVE, UH, ANY, UM, COMMENTS? I THINK HE, PHIL, YEAH.
SO I STILL SAY IS IN REGARDS TO OUR MEETING YESTERDAY IS WHERE WE STAND.
AND I STILL WANT TO QUESTION, I ARE WE, SO WHERE WE AT WITH EIGHT VERSUS FOUR? EMILY, WHEN WE TALKED YESTERDAY WITH COUNCILMAN, UH, RIDLEY AND THE OTHERS ON, ON THE VIRTUAL, IS THAT SOMETHING, ARE WE STILL TAKING A LEAP TO GO FOR AID OR ARE WE DOING THE BABY STEPS THAT WE, WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE LAST TWO MEETINGS TO TRY AND GO FOR FOUR OR EMULATE MEMPHIS? UH, I THINK HERE'S WHERE I AM.
WE WERE ASKED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO GO TO EIGHT MM-HMM
UM, AND THEN WHEN WE DID THE RESEARCH OF OTHER CITIES, MOST CITY STAFF AT FOUR, LIKE THE EL PASO IS FOUR, BUT THEY ARE WORKING ON THE EIGHT.
YOU TALK TRIPLE
SO, UH, THERE'S TWO APPROACHES TO THIS.
ONE IS THE ONE TO EIGHT, WHAT CITY COUNCIL ASKS AND YOU THE BOARD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THERE.
UH, THE SECOND ONE IS WITH SPLIT AVENUE TO TWO, UH, OPT FOR ADDING
AND THEN FIVE TO EIGHT UNITS, WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, AT END OF THE DAY, A CITY COUNCIL WILL MAKE THAT FINAL DECISION.
BUT YOU CAN ALSO, UH, CHIME IN ON THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING AI CAN ALSO, BUT FOUR UNITS IS BEEN PROVEN.
EL PASO HAS BEEN USING FOR 10 YEARS WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM.
SO WE KNOW FOR SURE AND CHIEF BILL AGREES TOO, HE CAN DEFINITELY SUPPORT UP TO FOUR WITHOUT ANY RESERVATION.
LOOK LIKE YOU ARE SUPPORTING TWO FOUR.
UH, BUT TODAY WE'RE ASKING, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL ASKING TWO EIGHT.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL CAN, UH, DO TWO STEPS.
UH, BUT I THINK FOUR UNITS HAS BEEN USED A LOT MORE IN, NOT JUST IN CITIES.
SOME STATES, UH, ADOPTED ENTIRE STATE, UH, ADOPTED THE FOUR UNIT.
NORTH CAROLINA AND, AND OREGON
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HAVE THE ENTIRE STATE.SO IT HAS BEEN USED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
UM, THE FIVE TO EIGHT UNIT COULD BE STEP TWO, BUT THAT'S WHAT I ACHIEVE.
YOU, WE ALSO NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU.
UM, YOUR OPINION IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT AS WELL.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE SAFETY, UH, PROFESSIONALS AND CITY COUNCIL CAN, UM, CAN ALL WAIT WEIGH IN OUR ASK TO EIGHT.
I THINK I DEFINITELY FEEL COMFORTABLE RECOMMENDING FOR LOOK LIKE CHIEF BILL TOO AND A SECOND STEP FOR FIVE TO EIGHT.
UM, BUT THAT HAS DISCUSSION HAS HAPPENED.
I'VE BEEN TALKING TO, UH, COUNCILMAN RIDLEY IS ONE OF THE SPONSOR, ANOTHER COUNCILMAN COUNCIL.
I HAVE NOT GOT A CHANCE TO TALK TO HIM, BUT I THINK WE CAN PREPARE TWO SCENARIOS.
UH, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BABY STEP OR JUST HIRE A UNIT.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE OUR GOAL HERE.
LIKE OKAY, BECAUSE UM, LIKE COUNCILMAN RIDLEY'S THE ONE WHO WANTS THIS LIKE, RIGHT.
AND LIKE HE HAS TO GET THE APPROVAL FROM THE REST OF COUNCIL TO PASS THIS THROUGH.
LIKE I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING HERE IS LIKE, I DON'T SEE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US GOING FROM FOUR VERSUS EIGHT.
UM, SO I, I I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO A BABY STEP.
I WOULD JUST FOR US TO VOTE ON THE NEXT MEETING.
THAT'S DEFINITELY JUST INCREASING IT TO, TO EIGHT DWELLING UNITS IN THIS TYPE OF DWELLING.
WHAT WOULD THE RES OR WHAT ARE THE CHIEF'S RESERVATIONS FROM FIVE TO EIGHT VERSUS THE UP TO FOUR? WELL, LIKE I SAID, STATED YESTERDAY AND, AND EVEN AS THE NFSA HAVE STATE HAS STATED, UM, THE LACK OF A SUPPRESSION SYSTEM, THE SINGLE STAIRWELL, UH, JUST THOSE SYSTEMS, THOSE THOSE SITUATIONS COMBINE IN THE, THE HAZARDS THAT THEY IMPOSE ON THE CONSTITUENTS AND THE FIRST RESPONDERS.
UH, THAT'S THE STATEMENT THAT WE'VE MADE.
UM, I MYSELF, CHIEF FREEMAN, UH, SINCE THE BEGINNING OF, OF THIS TASK, UM, WHILE I, I DON'T SUPPORT THE EIGHT, BUT I, I KNOW AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A POLITICAL THING AND, AND IF IT GET GETS PUSHED FORWARD, WE JUST WANNA STATE ON THE RECORD, THIS IS WHAT WE FORESEE, UH, WITHOUT THOSE PROTECTIONS THAT SHOULD BE GRANTED IN IBC AND REMOVED AND PLACED IN THE IRC, UH, THE FUTURE LONGEVITY HAZARDS THAT THEY IMPOSE.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? OR LIKE THE RESERVATION BETWEEN LIKE A 7,500 SQUARE FOOT, UH, LIKE HOW ELSE WERE THE SPRINKLERS REQUIRED VERSUS 7,500 SQUARE FOOT, YOU KNOW, TRIPLEX OR SOMETHING? THE, THE WAY I VIEW IT, IT'S A MULTIFAMILY UNIT AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, UH, EIGHT POTENTIAL FAMILIES WITHIN THAT STRUCTURE ITSELF IS A MINIATURE APARTMENT.
UM, FROM A, FROM A TACTICAL PERSPECTIVE, TRYING TO FIGHT THAT FIRE WITH ONE STAIRWELL COMBINED WITH IT, UH, WITHOUT THE USE OF A SUPPRESSION SYSTEM, UH, INCREASES THE DANGERS FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND, AND THE CITIZENS THEMSELVES.
I MEAN, YOU MAY VIEW IT A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT BUT I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM MULTIPLE DIFFERENT ANGLES.
IS IT ALSO LIKE PARTLY LIKE, OKAY, YOU HAVE, INSTEAD OF ONE KITCHEN IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, LIKE NOW YOU THINK YOU'RE INCREASING THE HO OF, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.
YOU HAVE EIGHT DIFFERENT TENANTS.
YOU, YOU HAVE NO CONTROL, NO MANAGEMENT OVER WHAT'S GOING ON IN THOSE, THOSE TENANTS.
UH, I MEAN LIKE, UM, THE INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS SPEAKING EARLIER, UH, ZACH AND EVEN MYSELF, UH, BEING BURNED IN A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, YEAH, IT WAS A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, BUT YOU HAVE EIGHT POTENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS COMBINED IN ONE UNIT UNDER 7,500 SQUARE FEET, UH, WITH A RESPONSE TIME OF LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES.
UH, IF THAT FIRE IS A LITHIUM BATTERY FIRE THAT OCCURS ON THE THIRD OR THIRD FLOOR THAT'S BLOCKING THAT ONE STAIRWELL, UH, NOW WE HAVE NOTIFICATION THROUGH DISPATCH THAT THERE ARE POTENTIAL VICTIMS INSIDE THE IC IS GOING TO SEND SOMEONE IN.
THE QUESTION IS ARE ARE THEY GONNA GET OUT 'CAUSE OF THE HAZARDS THAT WE'VE, WE'VE CREATED BY ALLOWING IT TO EXIST FROM THE BEGINNING.
SO THERE'S THINGS LIKE WE COULD, WE COULD SUGGEST THAT THESE BE TWO STORY BUILDINGS, NOT THREE STORY, AND THAT ELIMINATES REALLY THE OPTION FOR TUCK UNDER PARKING.
YOU COULD, WHY WOULD THE CITY BUILD ANYTHING THAT THEY DON'T USE? SO FIRE SUPPRESSIONS THAT, BUT WE'RE AT THREE STORY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE TOWN HOME CODE ALLOWS FOR.
THAT'S WHAT THE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX CODE ALLOWS FOR.
WE'RE JUST MATCHING WHAT'S CURRENTLY ACCEPTED PRACTICES.
BUT, BUT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S FORM OF INFORMATION.
BUT, BUT REMEMBER AGAIN, IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND.
YEAH, I MEAN IT'S THE TYPE OF SYSTEM.
BUT REMEMBER, UH, J AS JARED STATED, THE CURRENT CODE DOES ALLOW, UH, IRC AND IBC DOES ALLOW WHAT HE JUST STATED.
BUT, BUT THE UNSTATED ASSUMPTION IS THAT THE IRC AND THE IBC REQUIRES SPRINKLERS THROUGHOUT PERIOD.
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ANY, YOU KNOW, THREE OR MORE UNITS REQUIRES FIRE SAFE REQUIRES SPRINKLERS REGARDLESS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE? WELL THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY VS.CODE CURRENTLY IS THAT IS IT? THAT'S NO CHANGE.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE, WHY ARE WE SAYING LET'S LOOK AT GOING? WELL, THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS CITY OF DALLAS IS GOING TO SAY, WELL, CURRENT CODES, IF YOU TRIED TO BUILD A, A THREEPLEX, WHICH YOU HAVE TO PUT IN A 13 MINIMUM SYSTEM, WE WE'RE PROPOSING WE CAN PUT IN A 13 D, WHICH IS, WHICH IS A, A LITTLE BIT OF COST SAVINGS.
BUT THE OTHER BENEFIT THAT WE'RE GOING TO THE IRC IS YOU'RE GETTING OUT OF REQUIREMENTS FOR SAY, EXIT SIGNS.
UM, YOUR STAIRS CAN BE SMALLER, YOUR GUARDRAILS CAN BE LOWER, YOUR TREAD RIGHTS CAN BE HIGHER UNDER THE IRC THAN UNDER THE IBC.
PEOPLE ALSO FEEL THAT GOING UNDER THE CITY OF DALLAS'S RESIDENTIAL REVIEW PROCESS, THERE'S A LOT EVEN LESS EXPENSIVE.
I'M SAYING WHAT IF WE JUST SAY JUST FRANKLY LIKE LEAVE, LEAVE THAT, BUT REQUIRE, REQUIRE SPRINKLERS REGARDLESS, WORD FOOTAGE.
THEN WE'RE BASICALLY DENYING THE REQUEST TO DO AN APEX OR FOURPLEX.
BUT THEN ANOTHER DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE INTENT OF IS ALL TO BEGIN WITH IS PEOPLE FEEL TRYING TO BUILD, I'M GONNA CALL 'EM SMALL APARTMENTS, IS COST PROHIBITIVE.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT, BECAUSE OF THE FIRE SPRINKLING REQUIREMENT, THE FIRE ASSISTANCE REQUIREMENTS, EXIT SIGN REQUIREMENTS, EGRESS REQUIREMENTS, IT'S ALL LIFE SAFETY RELATED UP THERE.
BUT THERE'S, THERE'S PEOPLE WHO THINK WE CAN BUILD CHEAPER AND STILL MAINTAIN MINIMUM LIFE SAFETY STANDARDS THAT ARE ALREADY ACCEPTED UNDER THE IRC.
SO THAT'S THE STUDY WE PUT TOGETHER.
WE ARE LOOKING ACROSS THE, WHAT'S IN THE IRC RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND WE BUILD AN PLEX WITH THAT.
WE BELIEVE WE CAN WITHIN REASON WE'RE PULLING SOME THINGS FROM THE IVC AND THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH IT.
BUT IT'S ALL ABOUT REDUCING CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
THE COST FOR WE CAN, WE CAN SAY WE HAVE TO SPRINKLE IT NO MATTER WHAT, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY THE SINGLE BIGGEST COST THAT IT'S, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SPRINKLE A 3,500 SQUARE FOOT TOWNHOUSE FOR LESS THAN $5,000.
WELL, LET'S, OUR, OUR GROUP HAS NOT BEEN ADVISED ON WHAT IS THE ACTUAL COST OF THIS? WELL, THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, I MEAN, 'CAUSE THE COST IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS FOR A, A FOURPLEX OR PLEX LESS THAN $5,000 FOR A FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM IS NOTHING.
SOMEONE MENTIONED A KEY THING ABOUT THAT.
WHAT ARE THE MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT? AND I DON'T, I DON'T SERVE SINGLE, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT UP THE MULTIPURPOSE SYSTEM.
THERE IS NO MAINTENANCE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
WELL, BUT THE DOWNSIDE OF NO MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS THOUGH, THERE IS A DOWNSIDE TO THAT.
IF, IF, IF YOU LEAVE IT TO THE LANDLORD, WHETHER HE OR SHE WANTS TO MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM OR NOT, WHETHER THE ODDS ARE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SOME LANDLORD THAT THAT DOESN'T MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM.
SO WHEN IT IS TIME FOR IT, IT DOESN'T WORK.
IT DOESN'T WORK DOESN'T THERE'S ALWAYS WAIT THERE, THERE'S ALWAYS, I I KNOW, I KNOW.
I'M JUST SAYING STANDALONE OR NOT.
AND SOMEBODY COMES ALONG AND PAINTS IF THEY HAVE COVERAGE ON 'EM, THEY PAINT THE COVERS, BUT NO, AND THEY WON'T COME POP OFF AT THE SAME, I MEAN THERE'S A LOT NO, NO, NO, I GET THAT.
BUT THE REQUIREMENT IS THERE THINK THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE FOLKS DON'T WANT THE PLUMBERS TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS MULTIPURPOSE SYSTEM, WHICH PERSONALLY I DON'T CARE ABOUT.
BUT I AM SAYING FOR BEING DUMB, IF WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE THAT IS ACTUALLY CONSIDERABLY CHEAPER, UH, AND WORKS PERFECTLY AND REQUIRES NO MAINTENANCE, IT'S CHEAPER TO INSTALL.
IT'S CHEAPER ALL THE WAY AROUND.
I THINK, I THINK WE, I THINK AS A CITY WE ALREADY, I UNDERST DONE THAT.
NOBODY EVEN KNEW OF THE SYSTEM.
I, I THINK AS A CITY WE ALREADY PASSED THAT.
THAT'S ALREADY ALLOWED IN THE IRC, THE MULTIPURPOSE SYSTEM.
I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO BUILD PUBLIC HOUSING.
I THINK HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH MORE OR LESS CAN GET THE $5,000? WELL, I, I TOTALLY AGREE.
I I'M LOOKING AT THE LIABILITY PERSONALLY DOES SINKING OUT IN MY HEAD, OH MY GOD, WE'RE BUILDING PUBLIC HOUSING AND IF SOMEBODY GETS BURNT UP LIKE THAT KID WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YES, OF COURSE THAT'S, THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS IF THAT HAPPENED.
BUT WHERE'S THE EXPOSURE FOR THE CITY? WHO DECIDED THAT? WELL, YOU KNOW, WE DID MINIMAL SAFETY.
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SPEND ELSE'S MONEY.
I'M BIG CONSERVATIVE ON MONEY SPENDING.
BUT I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO REALLY USE OUR HEADS HERE PUT AND REQUIRE LIKE, LIKE SCOTTSDALE AND SO MANY OTHER CITIES AND STATES WHERE THEY'VE ALREADY PROVED IT.
NOT ONLY DOES IT SAVE LIVES AND ALSO THE FIRST RESPONDERS LIVES, BUT IT ALSO, YOU KNOW, REDUCES THE COST OF THE DAMAGE TO A FRACTION OF WHAT IT WOULD OTHERWISE BE.
I MEAN, THESE ARE ALL PREPARING WATER DAMAGE IS NOTHING COMPARED TO REBUILDING.
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IN A FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEM IN MY HOUSE.I WAS SIMPLY TRYING TO EXPAND MY FOOTPRINT IN THE PLUMBING INDUSTRY BY GETTING THIS LICENSE.
BUT WHEN I WENT THROUGH ALL THE CLASSES AND EVERYTHING INVOLVED, I IMMEDIATELY PUT A FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEM IN MY HOME.
'CAUSE THE NEW PRODUCTS, OUR NEW, UH, BEAMS AND RAFTERS AND EVERYTHING GO UP SO QUICKLY THAT YOUR KIDS AT THE STOP AT THE STAIRS AT THE FAR END OF THE HALLWAY, THEY DON'T WANT TO BE NEAR MOM AND DAD.
YOU KNOW, THEY DROP DEAD QUICKLY 'CAUSE THEY CAN'T GET OUT THE WINDOW.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T OPEN UP THE WINDOWS ALL THE WAY, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE NEW RULES.
SO MY POINT IS SIMPLY, I THINK WE OUGHT TO REALLY SERIOUSLY BE THINKING ABOUT IN EVERY PUBLIC THING THAT WE DO FROM HERE, HANDS FORWARD, WE MAKE IT FIRE PROTECTED.
WE, WE WATER IT, WE SPRINKLE IT, AND I THINK ALL THE FEDERAL WOULD BE SPRINKLED LIKE SCOTTSDALE.
AND YOU KNOW, IF, IF THIS GROUP IS DECIDES IN A MONTH OR TWO WHEN WE GO TO
THE A I A I'LL JUST SPEAK PERSONALLY FOR MYSELF.
I LIKE ENTERTAINING THIS BECAUSE IF WE CAN BUILD HOUSING LESS EXPENSIVELY FOR PEOPLE, IT, IT'S GOOD FOR EVERYONE.
IT'S GOOD FOR THE CITY, IT'S GOOD FOR PEOPLE THAT AGREED AT WHAT EXPENSE AT ALL.
I MEAN WELL, AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO PUT ALL OF OUR PROFESSIONAL MINDS TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH INCLUDING THE CITY AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO I, I THINK THE MOTIVATION FROM THE A I A, THE REASON MOST OF THE A I A SUPPORTS IT, THERE'S SOME ARCHITECTS OF THE A I A THAT WERE LIKE, WHY ARE WE MESSING WITH THIS? MM-HMM
THERE'S ARCHITECTS ON THIS BOARD THAT ARE LIKE, WHY ARE WE MESSING WITH THIS? UM, THE MOTIVATION BEHIND THE A I A SUPPORT THIS THOUGH IS IT, IT SUPPORTS AFFORD MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND I THINK THAT CITY COUNCIL'S MOTIVATION AS WELL.
THEY WANNA SUPPORT MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I I THINK OUR CHARGE, THE A I A THIS BOARD THE CITY IS TO SAY, CAN WE MAKE THIS HAPPEN SAFELY? YES.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS YES.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THE, A FIRST STEP HAS BEEN.
WE THINK WE, WE, WE THOUGHT WE UNDERSTOOD THE BUILDING TYPE THAT WAS DESIRED.
WE MOVED TO THE, I RRC SAID, THESE ARE THINGS WE THINK WE NEED TO DO TO ACCOMMODATE IT.
WE'VE LEARNED THAT WE MISUNDERSTOOD THE BUILDING TYPE.
SO WHAT, WE'LL GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND ADJUST THOSE THINGS, BUT IN THE END IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND THE FIRE MARSHAL DECIDE IS THIS, IS THIS OKAY FOR DALLAS OR NOT? FROM A SAFE SAFETY STANDPOINT, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE AUTHORITY HAVING JURISDICTION.
SO LIKE WHEN I READ, WELL, LIKE I READ ALL THESE AND I DON'T, LIKE, MAYBE I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I'M NOT A A WHATEVER.
I DON'T THINK, LIKE, THIS SEEMS TO BE LIKE A GOOD AMOUNT OF FIRE PROTECTION BASED ON LIKE WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT FOR THE LAST TWO HOURS.
UM, YOU KNOW, UM, THE MAIN GOAL OF THIS, LIKE YOU SAID, IS TO INCREASE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UM, I THINK WHAT WOULD REALLY BOOST THAT CASE OF US GOING THROUGH THIS ENTIRE EXERCISE, WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING WITH OTHER ARCHITECTS, LIKE HOW CAN WE, UM, YOU KNOW, REINTERPRET THE CODE TO ALLOW US TO BUILD A CERTAIN NUMBER OF, MORE NUMBER OF UNITS WOULD BE JUST LIKE SOMEONE ON THE OTHER SIDE BEING LIKE, WOW, I COULD REALLY USE THIS CODE CHANGE.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD JUST LIKE BOLSTER THE CASE FOR US TO DO THIS.
UM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE SOMEONE ON THE OTHER SIDE TALKING ABOUT THE RISKS AND YOU KNOW, I COULD POTENTIALLY SEE THE GREATER BENEFITS, BUT IF PAUL OR LIKE PHILIP KINGSTON OR LIKE STAFF DOESN'T HAVE ANYONE THAT'S LIKE, WOW, THIS WOULD REALLY HELP ME.
IT'S JUST LIKE A DIFFICULT CASE TO MAKE THAT LIKE, WE'RE ALL GOING AROUND AND DOING THIS LIKE FOR NOTHING.
IT IS KIND OF WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
SO I THINK, SORRY, THIS IS CHARLES.
I, I BELIEVE THAT KIND OF THIS CONVERSATION, THIS CONVERSATION IS STARTING IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS AROUND THE CITY AND EVERYONE'S REFERRING TO IT AS, UM, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND, AND THOSE THINGS.
LIKE, I WANNA BE LIKE, I THINK THERE'S A POINT OF CLARIFICATION THERE IS LIKE, THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT THIS CHANGE THAT SAYS LIKE, THIS IS GONNA BE ONLY APPLIED FOR LOWER INCOME OR AFFORDABLE INCOME OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS.
THIS IS, THERE'S A, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE GROUP, BUT THERE'S A GROUP THAT MEETS LIKE MONTHLY TO TALK ABOUT CODE, PROCESS PLAN, REVIEW PROCESS AND EVERYTHING.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPERS ON THAT AND SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT CAME FROM THAT IS LIKE, THIS IS AN ITEM THAT, UH, CHALLENGES THEIR COST NUMBERS IN, IN, UM, AND THEN IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE TO BUILD AND THEY TEND TO NOT WANT TO DO IT.
AND IT'S, I JUST DON'T WANT US TO GET HUNG, GET MAKE
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IT.I DON'T WANT IT TO GET PAINTED THAT IT'S GONNA, LIKE, THIS IS GONNA ADVERSELY AFFECT LOW INCOMES, UM, MORE THAN IT WOULD ANYBODY ELSE.
I THINK HIGH END SITUATIONS ARE GONNA HAPPEN IN UPTOWN AND EVERY PLACE ELSE THAT'S DEVELOPING WITH THESE CODES APPLIED TO IT JUST AS MUCH AS IT WOULD ANY PLACE ELSE.
AND, BUT THE, THE MOTIVATION THAT THIS CAME FORWARD IS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT BUILD THESE HOUSING SEE THIS AS A COST PROHIBITIVE THING.
AND SO THEY BUILD OTHER FORMS OF STRUCTURES AND EVERYTHING IN IT AND, AND IT, UM, UH, HURTS OUR ABILITY FOR THE DENSITY THAT DALLAS IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO, WHICH IS, THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER CONVERSATION THAT PEOPLE WILL LIKE OR DISLIKE.
BUT, UM, I JUST, JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT COMMENTARY IN THERE A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT'S REALLY GOOD BECAUSE THIS IS NOT AFFORDABLE.
IT'S JUST MAKING IT MORE AFFORDABLE.
IT IS, IT IS A, IS AN ALTERNATIVE TO PROVIDING HOUSING.
AND WHEN I SAID AFFORDABLE, I REALLY MEANT LIKE, IS IT CHEAPER FOR THE BUILDERS TO BUILD IT? YES.
LIKE THAT'S WHAT, AND LIKE IF IT BECOMES CHEAPER, I'D JUST LIKE TO HEAR FROM A BUILDER THAT'S LIKE, WOW, LIKE I READ THIS AND THIS IS GOOD FOR ME.
LIKE THAT I, RIGHT NOW I'M JUST, IS THIS GOOD FOR YOU? YOU'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
I SAY THE COST ISN'T THAT MUCH AND YEAH, IT'S THE BUILDER.
30, 3500 BUCKS FOR ONE UNIT, YOU KNOW, ON A EIGHT UNIT BUILDING, LESS THAN $30,000 FOR A LIFE SAFETY DEVICE.
I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE COST THAT WE SHOULD BE CUTTING.
IF YOU WANTED ME TO HAVE THE PERSON WHO, UH, PROCESS AND PASS THROUGH THE, UH, CODE WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS ON MULTIPURPOSE, YOU WANTED HIM TO COME IN, HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH A I A YOUR, YOUR FOLKS OR SOMEBODY SUGGESTED I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO INTRODUCE SOME TO Y'ALL.
PETER, THAT'S KIND OF LEADING THE TASK.
YOU COULD SHARE WITH ME, I'LL SHARE WITH PETER.
WE COULD SCHEDULE A MEETING ABSOLUTELY.
TO MEET WITH AI AND I THINK THAT'S GOOD.
I JUST WANT, YOU KNOW, WE DID MEET WITH THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION.
THERE WAS LIKE MAYBE 18, BUT IT'S A BIG GROUP OF PEOPLE.
WE DID ASK THEM ABOUT THE COST.
THEY DO SAY THIS IS WILL BE C LESS.
WE EVEN SUGGESTED FIVE TO EIGHT UNITS.
WE ADD FIRE, UM, ALARM SYSTEM INSTEAD OF SPRINKLER.
THEY SAID THAT'S CAUSES MINIMUM VERSUS THE SPRINKLER.
SO THE GREAT MAJORITY OF THE, I THINK EVERYBODY THERE SUPPORT THIS IN THE FIELD LIKE THIS WILL BE HELPFUL.
THE SYSTEM, THE, THE, THE ONE THAT'S ACCEPTED NOW FOR 7,500 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, I THINK IT'S SUPER REASONABLE.
IF YOU GO TO THE, THE ONE THAT'S REQUIRED, UH, 1313 R.
13 D, 13 D, THAT'S A MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE SYSTEM I COULD SAY.
I THINK WHAT, WHAT COULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU WANTED TO COMPATIBLE SOMEBODY EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW MM-HMM
FOUR, SINGLE THREE, THE A LITTLE BIT.
THEN I THINK IT MAKES THAT BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF LIKE, HOW MUCH MORE IS IT REALLY, YOU KNOW, THROUGH YOUR, YOUR QUESTION, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT VALID.
IT'S QUESTION SCALABILITY OF IT.
SO YOU'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 30, $30,000 IS A ROUGH BUDGET COST FOR AN EIGHT UNIT FOR, FOR AN EIGHT UNIT UNDER IF, IF YOU'RE BUILDING NEEDS FOR TWO, IS $200 A SQUARE FOOT FAIR TO BUILD A 7,000 SQUARE FOOT THREE STORY BUILDING? I MEAN IT DEPENDS ON, I MEAN YEAH, BUT I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIGH END AND LOW END, SO I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THIS COULD BE, WELL, SO I'M ESTIMATING SURE.
I'LL JUST SAY FOR CONVERSATION, THAT'S 1.4 MILLION.
I'M AT 30,000 ON TOP OF 1.4 MILLION.
ADDING, I MEAN, AND IT'S WHY IT'S NOT A LOT.
IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS OF CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT COSTS $3,500 FOR ONE FOR PER UNIT.
I I'M A BUILDER, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE MONEY.
I'M NOT HERE TRYING TO SAVE MONEY.
I THINK, I THINK THE COST IS, YEAH, THE, THE COMMENT ABOUT THE SIZING OF THE PIPING FOR A UNIT THAT'S USED IN BOTH THE DOMESTIC WATER AND THE FIRE PROTECTION IS REALLY, IS NEGLIGIBLE ANYMORE TO PUT IN A, A, UH, A PEX INCH AND A HALF SERVICE VERSUS A PEX, UH, ONE INCH SERVICE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY JUST A COST OF THE PIPE.
IT'S NOT THE LABOR OR ANYTHING IT'SS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
THIS IS ASSUMING THE, THE, THE 13 D, WHICH IS I THINK THE SYSTEM THAT IS NOW ALLOWED 13 R RIGHT NOW IT REQUIRES 13 R RIGHT.
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SO THIS ONE IS SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX AND COUNT HOMES IS 13 D YOU GOT THE QUESTION, WHICH IS YEAH, WHICH IS 13, RIGHT? THE ORIGINAL DRAFT FROM CD WAS RECOMMENDED 13.BUT IF IT'S IDC, IT'S A DIFFERENT LEVEL.
SO BY MOVING THAT FROM I, YOU KNOW, IDC TO IR, ITS 13 R REQUIRES HEADS AT LIKE OVERHANGS AT PORCHES, PATIOS, THOSE ARE EXTERIOR HEADS.
AND THERE, THERE IS A TON OF COSTS WITH THAT.
SO WE CAN JUST DO, UH, IF YOU HAVE LIKE AN ATTIC SPACE, DEPENDING ON THE ROOF SYSTEM, IF YOU HAVE AN A LIKE A HIP VERSUS A FLAT ROOF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DRIVER'S WET COSTS.
THAT'S WHERE YOU START ADDING IN THE, THE DEVELOPMENT FROM GETTING AN EXPENSIVE SYSTEM.
BUT YOU CAN HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF SYSTEM FOR REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'RE ALLOWING NOW, I THINK JUST SPRINKLING THE INTERIOR CONDITION SPACES.
WE CAN ALLOW THAT AND NOT HAVING CANTILEVERS RIDGE PATIOS, YOU KNOW, A DRY SYSTEM OVER ATTIC SPACE AND THE COST FOR THAT.
OR I THINK, AND I THINK THAT PROBABLY IS BENEFICIAL FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR I MEAN IT MAY HELP THEIR KIND OF RESERVATIONS.
THE, THIS IS MY OPINION, THE A I A WILL TAKE A MINIMUM APPROACH.
WHAT AT A MINIMUM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM OUR LICENSES ON THE LINE, WHAT WOULD WE BE OKAY SEEING? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND TO THIS BOARD AND TO THE CITY.
IF THIS BOARD AND THE CITY WANTS TO INCREASE THOSE, THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS BOARD IS TO RECOMMEND BETTERMENTS.
BUT WHAT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET FROM THE A I GROUP IS THIS IS AT THE, RIGHT NOW WHAT, WHERE OUR MINDS ARE IS YOU CAN DO ONE HOUR RATE OF CONSTRUCTION WITH A, WITH A 13 D SYSTEM, BUILD THIS PRODUCT IF THE CITY WANTS TO INCREASE THAT TO 13 R OR REDUCE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENTS.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT HELPS THE COST, THE WHOLE COST THING OF TRYING TO REDUCE COST FOR DEVELOPERS.
AND THAT, AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP TOO.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL THE NEEDS SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
HE HAD HIS HAND UP CLEAR GOING AT 13 D AND 13 ON.
13 D IS THE NFPA 13 D IS THE STANDARDS FOR DESIGNING AND INSTALLING A PROSPECT SYSTEM FOR ONE TWO
AND THEN WHAT IT SAYS IN THE, ON THE D SAYS IN MANUFACTURED HOMES, IF YOU, IF YOU GO, YOU CAN THIS, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT CD, DALLAS AMENDMENT? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, THE N FPA 13.
THIS GENTLEMAN RIGHT HERE IS TALKING ABOUT THE MULTIPLE PURPLE, UH, FIRE SPRINKLER PROTECTION SPECIAL, THE STATE, UH, UH, STATE OF TEXAS LAB PLUMBER THAT HAS AN ENDORSEMENT TO INSTALL THIS TYPE OF SYSTEM.
THAT SYSTEM TO GET THAT ENDORSEMENT, YOU HAVE TO LEARN THE 13 B THAT IS KEEP BEING MENTIONED IN YOUR COMPENSATION AND ALL.
I'M TRYING TO GET PARANOID BECAUSE KEEP SAYING 13 D AND THEN SAYING, WELL, 13 D IS TOO EXPENSIVE AND HE'S EXPLAINING THE SYSTEM.
I SAID, WELL, THE SYSTEM THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS A 13.
THE 13 R YEAH, THE 13 R WHERE YOU HAVE YEAH, THOSE ADDITIONAL EXTERIOR HEADS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY OKAY.
THE 3,500, THE SYSTEM HE IS CHARLES WANTS TO ADD IN ON THIS CONVERSATION.
WELL, ACTUALLY I NEED TO ADD IN ON SOMETHING ELSE.
LIKE I NEED TO PEEL OFF IN THE NEXT LIKE FIVE MINUTES.
DOES THAT SCREW US OVER AS FAR AS QUORUM AND CONVERSATION? IT DOES.
YEAH, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE.
I CAN FOR SURE GIVE FIVE, BUT AFTER THAT I'M, YEAH, SO IN THAT LINE, 'CAUSE HE'S GONNA GO.
SO, UM, JUST TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE.
WE RECALL THIS AS A SPECIAL MEETING.
WE HAVE A REGULAR MEETING LATER IN THE MONTH, SORRY, 18.
SO THE A I A IS GONNA BE NO 18.
SO THIS IS GOING BACK TO THE A I A GROUP.
FANTASTIC JOB ON THIS, ANDREW, EVEN I UNDERSTAND.
I THINK WHAT'S GOING ON, WHICH IS GOOD.
SO, UM, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO, THAT WASN'T A JOKE.
SO, UM, SO YOU ALL ARE GONNA TAKE THIS AND DO MORE WITH IT.
YOU WON'T BE DONE BY NEXT WEEK, SO YOU'RE GONNA NEED SOME TIMELINE.
UH, WE, WE MAY NEED TO DO IT IN APRIL.
SO YOU ALL HAVE TIME TO REWORK THIS.
WELL, IF I MAY POINT, POINT OF INFORMATION, SINCE IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE NOT GONNA, UH, GET TO
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DO THE PRESENTATION TODAY.THAT LAST HANDOUT THAT I SENT A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, I, I DUPLICATED A HARD COPY FOR YOU TODAY.
YOU COULD TAKE THAT HOME WITH YOU.
AS I SAID EARLIER, THAT ONE INCLUDES, UH, I THINK JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN JARED'S PRESENTATION IN ADDITION TO WHAT WAS IN CAMILLE'S EARLIER PRESENTATION.
PLUS IMPORTANTLY, IT INCLUDES A LOT MORE DETAILS THAT WERE NOT MENTIONED IN EITHER OF THE PRESENTATIONS, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT BECAUSE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A FULLY, FULLY COMPREHENSIVE YES, THAT ONE, THE ONE THAT SAYS CHAPTER 52, RIGHT? SO MAKE SURE TAKE, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH, NOT, NOT AN A LA CARTE PICKED THIS VERSUS THAT.
IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO THE CODE COMPLIANT, THEN THAT IS THE, THAT IS THE, UH, IS THIS WHAT TALKING ABOUT? YES, THAT IS A DRAFT TO LOOK AT PURSUANT TO THIS NEXT MEETING.
SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO COME TO THE NEXT MEETING PREPARED TO ASK QUESTIONS OR COMMENT ON THAT PARTICULAR DRAFT.
AND YOU'LL BE PRESENTING THAT ONE? I CAN, YES.
SO AGAIN, I'D SAY PROBABLY IT DEPENDS ON WHEN YOU ALL ARE GONNA MEET AGAIN OR DO WE JUST MAKE THE NEXT MEETING ABOUT THAT? WELL, AREN'T YOU GUYS TRYING TO GO TO COUNCIL NEXT MONTH? COUNCIL ASKED US TO BE YEAH, CENTRAL TO COUNCIL END OF THIS MONTH, BEFORE THE END OF THE MONTH.
UM, YOU KNOW,
UH, WE DON'T, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S OUR TASK.
AND THEN ANYWAY, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE PROCEDURE ON THAT? IF THEY, UH, IN TERMS OF, YEAH, THEY, THEY WANT, THEY WANTED THIS TO BE THE FIRST QUARTER, WHICH IS THE END OF THIS MONTH TO BE, UH, TRANSMITTED TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, FURTHER DELIBERATE AND ROLL DOWN THIS, UM, WHAT I, I'VE GOT A, I'VE GOT A SUGGESTION IF, SINCE THE TIMELINE AND THAT SEEMS TO HAVE THAT, THAT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN THE, ONE OF THE DRIVING, UH, FORCES BEHIND THIS ENTIRE THING.
OR IF WE MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATION, THEY'RE GONNA GO FORWARD WITH IT.
UH, WHY NOT? UH, IF, IF, IF, IF, UH, IF THE, IF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WANTS TO TAKE THAT LATEST DRAFT THAT I JUST REFERRED TO AND GO AHEAD AND, AND PUT IT IN AN ORDINANCE FORM THE LEGAL FORMAT AND THEN THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT TWO THINGS.
YOU'RE ACCOMPLISHING TWO THINGS AT THE SAME TIME.
YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE PREPARED, AN ORDINANCE FORM, AND AT THE SAME TIME YOU HAVE THE LATEST VERSION THAT ENCO THAT EN THAT ENCOMPASSES BOTH, UH, AMENDMENTS UP TO THIS POINT AND YOU HAVE IT ALL IN ONE DOCUMENT.
AND THEN YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING AND YOU WOULD MEET, BE ABLE TO MEET THE TIMELINE.
WELL THEY REQUESTED, UH, TO BE TRANSMITTED TO THEM BY END OF, UH, MARCH AND THEY GO TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE ON APRIL 7TH.
SO BASICALLY THE WEEK BEFORE, 10 DAY BEFORE THE APRIL 7TH, WE NEED TO SUBMIT EVERYTHING FINAL TO THEM AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO CITY COUNCIL PROBABLY SOMEHOW ONE OF THE APRIL MEETING COULD BE, UH, THE FOLLOWING WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER THAT.
SO THAT'S THE TIMELINE THAT GIVE US IS IT 10 CALENDAR DAYS OR BUSINESS DAYS? 10 CALENDAR BREAK.
I WOULD SAY MAYBE AROUND MARCH, JUNE 28TH.
MAYBE THE FOLLOWING WEEK AFTER YOU MET WE COULD ALWAYS DO ANOTHER SPECIAL CALL MEETING.
AFTER THE 18TH, BUT BEFORE THE 28TH.
MAYBE THE WEEK AFTER THE EIGHT.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY ON THE 18TH IS GONNA BE CHALLENGING FOR ME.
WHAT'S THE EIGHTH? LIKE CHARLES, THESE GO PROBABLY.
ARE YOU AVAILABLE, CHARLES? NO, IT'S GONNA BE, UM, FIFTH.
DO WE HAVE A, MAKE SURE WE HAVE A QUORUM WE CAN CALL.
CAN WE, UH, I MEAN I SHOULD BE AVAILABLE ON THE 25TH.
THAT WILL GIVE EVERYBODY ONE MORE TIME CALL, BUT YEAH, I KNOW CHARLES' A GOOD WHAT ALL? SO WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT DISCUSSION.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO UH, I GUESS MOTION TO CONCLUDE.
UH, MOTION TO ADJOURN A SECOND.
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THANK YOU.