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10 0 6 AND THE SCC[Special Sign District Advisory Committee on March 18, 2025.]
MEETING IS HEREBY CALLING THE ORDER.I'M, WE WILL GET AN ECHO COMPUTERS, RIGHT? YOU'RE WELCOME TO JOIN US AT THE TABLE.
I DIDN'T WANNA BE PRESUMPTUOUS.
DID WE GET THE ECHO? YES, I ASK FOR THAT.
I'M THE, UH, SUPERVISOR FOR SIGN REVIEW INSPECTIONS.
I'M GOING TO PRESENT, BE PRESENTING SIX CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS.
WE'VE GOT 2 5 0 2 1 8 0 0 2 3 AT 6 5 5 WEST ILLINOIS AVENUE, WYNWOOD VILLAGE SIGN DISTRICT.
WE'VE GOT 2 5 0 2 1 8 0 0 2 4 AT 6 5 5 WEST ILLINOIS AVENUE, WYNWOOD VILLAGE SIGN DISTRICT 2 5 0 2 1 8 0 0 2 8 AT 2000 SOUTH AVENUE AT WINWOOD VILLAGE SIGN DISTRICT.
YOU MAY WANT SHARE FROM THE, MY APOLOGIES.
UH, 2 5 0 2 1 8 0 0 2 9 AT SIX FIVE WEST ILLINOIS AVENUE, WINWOOD VILLAGE SIGN DISTRICT 2 5 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 5 6 5 5 WEST ILLINOIS AVENUE, WINWOOD VILLAGE SIGN DISTRICT 2 5 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 8 6 5 5 WEST ILLINOIS AVENUE, WINDWOOD VILLAGE SIGN DISTRICT.
THESE SIX, THESE SIX CAS ARE APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS BY AN, UH, WEATHERSPOON OF SSC SIGNS AND LIGHTING LLC FOR SIX ILLUMINATED DETACHED SIGNS AT THE WINWOOD VILLAGE.
SUPPING CENTER TWO WILL FACE ZANG, TWO WILL FACE ILLINOIS AND ONE WILL FACE LUDLOW AND ONE WILL FACE BRT BRT.
THESE ARE LOCATED THE WINWOOD VILLAGE SIGN DISTRICT AND THEY ARE ZONED, UH, RR.
THE NUMBER ONE IS 2 5 0 2 1 8 0 0 2 3 IS A 1020 SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED MULTI-TENANT PYLON SIGN BEARING THE WYNWOOD VILLAGE LOGO.
THE SECOND IS THE SAME, 2 5 0 2 1 8 0 0 2 4 1020 SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED MULTI-TENANT PYLON SIGN BEARING THE WYNWOOD VILLAGE LOGO.
THE THIRD 2 5 0 2 1 8 0 0 2 8 IS A 110.7 SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED MULTI-TENANT MONUMENT SIGN BEARING THE WINWOOD VILLAGE LOGO.
FOURTH IS A IS 2 5 0 2 1 8 0 0 2 9 A 110.7 SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED MULTITENANT MONUMENT SIGN BEARING.
THE WINWOOD LO VILLAGE LOGO 2 5 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 5 IS A 42.6 SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED SUBDIVISION SIGN BEARING THE WYNWOOD VILLAGE LOGO AND A NON-COMMERCIAL MESSAGE 2 5 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 8 IS A 42.6 SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED SUBDIVISION SIGN BEARING THE WYNWOOD VILLAGE LOGO AND A NON-COMMERCIAL MESSAGE SIGN.
THREE GROUPS OF TWO THE SAME SIGNS.
THERE'S TWO PYLON, TWO MONUMENT, AND TWO SUBDIVISION SIGNS.
IF, IF YOUR PRESENTATION WOULD LET US JUST TALK ABOUT THE TWO PYLON FIRST, UH, AND THEN THE MONUMENT SIGNS AND THEN THE SUBDIVISION STATES WE CAN DO THAT.
AND JUST PART OF CLARIFICATION TO GET ON THE RECORD BECAUSE THE OLD HISTORIC WINDWOOD SIGN YES.
THAT WAS THERE, WHICH WAS IN THE ORIGINAL SIGN
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DISTRICT.SO THAT CORRECT, THESE, NONE OF THESE SIGNS ARE GOING TO REPLACE THAT.
BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME, I'LL CALL IT EMOTIONAL ATTACHMENT TO KEEPING THAT SIGN.
THAT'S PART OF THE, THE SUBJECT THAT WAS PART OF OUR SUB.
OH, WELL, IT'S PART OF OUR MM-HMM
OUR ASSIGNED DISTRICT APPLICABLE CODE SECTIONS MET IS 51 A DASH 7 2400 WINDWOOD VILLAGE SIGNED DISTRICT.
UH, THIS IS AN EXER FROM THE PURPOSE STATEMENT.
I'LL LET YOU READ THAT IF YOU WISH.
SUBJECT SIDE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE WINWOOD VILLAGE SIGN DISTRICT.
THE SIZE IS APPROXIMATELY FOUR AND A HALF MILES SOUTHWEST OF CITY HALL, WEST OF I 35.
AND HERE'S THE LOCATION MAP ILLUSTRATING THE LOCATION OF THE DISTRICT AERIAL MAP AND A ZONING MAP OF THE DISTRICT.
THE FIRST TWO SIGNS ARE THE PYLON SIGNS, AND THIS IS THE FIRST OF THE TWO.
THE PROPOSED SIGN IS LABELED AS NUMBER 17 IS LOCATED ON ZANG BOULEVARD AT THE WINDWOOD PLAZA ENTRANCE.
UH, YOU CAN SEE IT POINTED HERE IN RED WITH THE RED ARROW.
WHERE, WHERE'S THE CLASS? THE ORIGINAL, CLASSIC SIDE.
THE CLASSIC OAK ONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTIES.
THAT'S ONE OF THE, THAT'S NOT THE ORIGINAL ONE.
THE ONE THAT YOU SHOWED UP EARLIER THAT HAD THE OLD ONE WITH THE GREEN, RIGHT? YEAH, I CAN, I CAN BRING THAT ONE UP IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT NO, I'M JUST, YOU CAN GO BACK JUST TO THAT, UH, RIGHT THERE.
SHOW WHERE, WHERE'S THE ORIGINAL SIGN? RIGHT HERE? YEAH.
IT'S KIND CENTERED VEGAS AND IT'S JUST A, A TOWER SIGN THAT HAS A WINDWOOD SPELLED OUT VERTICALLY.
THIS IS THE EXISTING SIGN THAT WILL BE TORN DOWN AND REPLACED.
UH, THIS IS ONE OF TWO MULTI-TENANT PILE ON SIGNS ALLOWED IN THIS SPSD.
UH, THIS SIGN WILL BE 1020 SQUARE FEET AND WILL NOT EXCEED 46 FEET IN HEIGHT, WHICH IS, UH, WELL WITHIN WHAT'S ALLOWED.
THIS IS THE DIAGRAM OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSED.
IT'S 45 FOOT, FOUR INCH TALL, 25 FOOT 11 AND A HALF INCHES WIDE WITH AN AREA, UH, EFFECTIVE AREA OF 1020 SQUARE FEET.
COLORS OF BRONZE LINE, GREEN, BLACK, DARK GRAY WHEN INSTALLED.
IT'S GONNA HAVE EMPTY TENANT PANELS TO BE FILLED LATER AS ENGINEERING.
UH, THIS IS THE SECOND LOCATION PROPOSED AS LABELED AS SIGN NUMBER NINE AND YOU CAN SEE IT POINTED AT A RED ARROW.
UH, THIS WILL BE LOCATED ON ILLINOIS AVENUE AT THE WYNWOOD VILLAGE ENTRANCE.
I BELIEVE THAT'S ALSO, THIS IS THE EXISTING SIGN THAT WILL BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH THIS SIGN.
THE EXACT SAME SIGN, SAME DIMENSIONS, AND SAME ENGINEERING.
MY ONE QUESTION IS, SINCE YOU WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE TENANT SIGNS ALL THROUGH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE CONCRETE BASE, IS THAT FAR ENOUGH OUT OF VISIBILITY TRIANGLE SO THAT IT DOESN'T IMPEDE SOMEBODY FROM BEING ABLE TO EXIT FROM THE SHOPPING CENTER? YES.
AND THESE PARTICULAR SIGNS, THE PIPELINE SIGNS, THEY'RE ALLOWED ONE PER, UH, STREET FRONTAGE.
SO THEY WILL HAVE ONE ON Z AND ONE ON ILLINOIS.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE
UM, HAS THE ENGINEERING BEEN DONE ON SUSTAINED
I MISSED ALL OF, ALL OF THE ENGINEERING.
IS IS, UH, CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THE DEPTH OF THE FOUNDATION THERE? YEAH.
IT'S SOMETHING DEEP ENOUGH THAT, THAT YEAH, THAT SHOULD BE GOOD ABOUT, DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE MATERIAL THAT WELL, THERE'S GONNA BE A STEEL BEHIND THERE.
MURPHY, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TOO, YOU WANNA HOP IN HERE, MURPHY AND TODD? SURE.
I I ACTUALLY DO HAVE A QUESTION.
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UM, FOR THE TENANTS, UM, WHEN, WHEN THE TENANTS COME ON BOARD, DO YOU EACH OF THOSE PANELS NEED TO COME TO COMMITTEE OR WHAT IS THAT CONSIDERED A PHASE REPLACEMENT? UH, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO COME TO COMMITTEE JUST DUE TO THE SIZE.SO THEY WOULD'VE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH MATERIAL WHEN EVERYTHING WAS SPEC OUT.
IT WOULD ALL BE DIRECTOR APPROVAL.
'CAUSE 'CAUSE 'CAUSE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE? YEP.
THE SIGNS THAT ARE UP NOW YES, SIR.
TO, TO FOUNDATION, WOULD THOSE BE REMOVED? YES SIR.
THIS WILL NOT BE BUILT ON TOP OF THE OLD.
UH, SO THE EXISTING PYLONS, THEY'RE COMING OUT ALTOGETHER? YES, SIR.
I'LL, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
AND THEN BECAUSE WE'RE DOING VIRTUAL HYBRID MEETING, WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL.
MURPHY, YOUR VOTE LISA ON THESE TWO I.
I, SO WE HAVE AN UNANIMOUS DECISION ON THAT SEAT.
YOU WANNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT? OKAY.
THIS IS THE FIRST OF THE MONUMENT SIGNS.
A SIGN 18, YOU CAN SEE I POINTED OUT AT THE BOTTOM IN RED IS TO BE LOCATED ON ZANG BOULEVARD AT THE WYNWOOD DRIVE ENTRANCE.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S LOCATED ON THE LOU ELLEN ADDRESS.
THIS BOTTOM LITTLE CORNER IS IT'S OWN LITTLE TRACT OF LAND WITHIN THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS ONE OF TWO MULTI-TENANT MONUMENT SIGNS ALLOWED IN THE SPSD.
THE SIGN WILL BE 110.7 SQUARE FEET AND WILL NOT EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED LOCATION IN THE PHOTO.
DIMENSIONS ARE FIVE FOOT FOUR INCH TALL BY 22 FOOT SIX INCH WIDE.
THE EFFECTIVE AREA IS 110 FOOT 7, 100, 10 0.7 SQUARE FOOT COLORS, BRONZE LINE, GREEN, BLACK, DARK GRAY AND WHITE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, TENANT PANELS ON THE END THERE.
THE ENGINEERING, THIS IS THE SECOND LOCATION PROPOSED A SIGN LABELED AS SIGN 11.
IT'S LOCATED ON ILLINOIS AVENUE ON LUDLOW DRIVE ENTRANCE.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED LOCATION.
THIS IS THE SECOND OF THE TWO MULTI-TENANT MONUMENT SIGNS ALLOWED.
THIS SPSD, THIS SIGN WILL BE ALSO BE 110.7 SQUARE FEET AND NOT EXCEED FIVE, SIX FEET IN HEIGHT.
IT'S THE EXACT SAME SIGN, EXACT SAME DIMENSIONS, EFFECTIVE AREA AND COLORS.
SO GO BACK TO WHERE THIS SIGN WAS GONNA BE.
IF YOU'RE PUTTING A SIGN IN THIS AREA, IS IT GOING TO IMPACT THAT TREE AND IS THE TREE'S NOT COMING OUT? SEE, THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
WE'D BE HELPING IF YOU GUYS STEP IN.
UM, SO CURRENTLY THE, WE'VE ACTUALLY SECURED APPROVAL FOR AN, UH, AMENDED SITE PLAN IN THIS AREA THAT'S GOING TO REWORK THE ENTRANCE DRIVE.
UH, IF YOU'RE OUT THERE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE RIGHT NOW WHERE THERE'S SOME LIKE DIRECTIONAL PARKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY ELIMINATING THAT TO CREATE A, A TWO, UM, TWO LANE ENTRANCE DRIVE ON IN EACH DIRECTION TO, YOU KNOW, CREATE A SAFER ENVIRONMENT.
SO WITH THAT, BECAUSE OF THE GRADING THAT THAT TREE DOES GET DISPLACED AND, AND YOU WOULD HAVE, UH, THE, THE NEW SIGN APPROXIMATELY IN ITS PLACE.
AS WELL AS THAT, WHERE THAT TURNAROUND IS TODAY.
UH, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE ON THE SITE PLAN IF, IF YOU LOOK A LITTLE CLOSER, IT'S SO BIG, BUT YOU CAN SEE WITH HOW THE
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CONFIGURATION IS DIFFERENT THAN IT IS TODAY WITH YOU GOT A RIGHT OUT ON THE EGRESS SIDE AND THEN A LEFT TURN ON THE EGRESS SIDE.AND THEN ON THE ENTRANCE SIDE YOU'VE GOT TWO, YOU KNOW, TWO LANES COMING IN THAT EVENTUALLY ONE PEELS OFF TO THE RIGHT TO GO INTO WINDWOOD PLAZA.
THE, THE OTHER ONE CONTINUES STRAIGHT INTO THE REST OF THE CENTER.
IT'S JUST THE, UH, FILTER ISSUES.
THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR A VISIBILITY TRIANGLE.
THAT ZONE SUGGEST MAKE SURE THAT YOU COMPLY WITH.
SO THE DRIVE THAT WE SEE THAT'S GOING SOUTH IS GONNA GO AWAY IN THIS NEAR ARRANGEMENT.
IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE
SO THAT'S GETTING RECONFIGURED THE MEDIAN IS NARROWED UP INSTEAD OF HAVING A TWO ROWS OF PARKING.
IT'S, IT'S JUST THE MINIMUM DEFENSE ASSIGNED IT AND PROMOTE SAFETY.
DAVID, YOU LIVE NEAR THERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE TREE H****R IN ME, UH, SORRY ABOUT THAT GUYS.
BUT WHEN YOU GO OUT THERE, SEEMS LIKE SOMEBODY WAS TELLING ME WHEN I WAS OVER THERE ON SATURDAY, I DIDN'T GET TO GO TO THE SHOPPING CENTER, BUT HAVEN'T THEY STARTED PLANTING SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE AND EVERYTHING? WE HAVE, SO, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZING THE, THE AGE OF THE CENTER, WE'VE GOT SOME PRETTY MATURE TREES OUT THERE.
WE'VE DONE, WE'VE MADE A, A VERY CONCERTED EFFORT TO SAVE THEM WHEREVER POSSIBLE, BUT IN SOME CASES JUST GAVE IT THE, THE CREATIVE GRADING PLANS THAT EXISTED BACK WHEN THE CENTER WAS DEVELOPED.
IT JUST DOESN'T, IT'S JUST DIFFICULT.
SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UM, KIND OF CREATING A BANK, RECOGNIZING WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS IN PHASES AND WE'VE JUST SAID, HEY, OUR GOAL WAS TO PLANT EVERYTHING BACK ON PROPERTY TO THE EXTENT WE POSSIBLY CAN AND MITIGATE, MITIGATE JUST PAYING INTO THE, THE TREE BANK.
SO WE'RE UTILIZING ALL THESE LARGE OPEN PARKING FIELDS THAT WE HAVE AND, AND PUTTING IN THE LITTLE TREE DIAMONDS THROUGHOUT.
AND THEN SO BRING THOSE TO COMPLIANCE E EXACTLY.
AND THEN ESPECIALLY ALONG THE BACKSIDE WHERE WE ABOVE LINWOOD NORTH, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO PLANT THAT BUFFER BACK THERE TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, SECURITY AND LIGHTING BUFFER FROM THEM AS, AS THOSE TREES MATURE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACTS, BUT KEEP AS MUCH ON PROPERTIES WE CAN SINCE IT'S JUST SUCH A LARGE, WIDE OPEN AREA.
AND TECHNICALLY THE SIGNAGES, OUR PERVIEW MM-HMM
BUT BEING A, A RABBIT TREE HUGGER IN A MASTER GARDEN OF THE I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND THE COMPLIMENTS THAT I HEARD ON SATURDAY WHEN I WAS HAVING TEA WITH A LOT OF THE ACTIVISTS AND THE OAK CLIFF AND, AND THAT'LL THAT THEY WERE VERY COMPLIMENTARY ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU WERE TAKING CARE OF TERESA.
I MEAN, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GIVES THE CENTER A LOT OF CHARACTER AS OPPOSED TO THE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE OTHER CENTERS IN THE AREA.
SO THINK EVERYBODY LOOKS FOR SHE TREE TO PARK UNDER.
SO THE, ANY, ANY TREE IMPACTS HAVE BEEN DEALT WITH AS PART OF THE SITE PLANNING PROCESS THAT THIS FOLDS INTO.
AS I SAID, IT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW IN THIS COMMITTEE, BUT TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.
WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLANNING COMES UP.
DOES THESE, DO THESE FIVE FOOT SIGNS IMPEDE ANYBODY'S VISION WHEN THEY'RE IN A CAR LOOKING LEFT OR RIGHT TO TURN? THEY SHOULDN'T.
UM, I THINK THEY HAVE, AND NIKITA, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THINK THERE'S ABOUT LIKE A 15 FOOT SETBACK AT THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THAT GIVES YOU, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST A CAR SO THE CAR CAN PULL UP AND SEE, HAVE THE VISIBILITY.
THE REQUIREMENT IS, IS, UH, 20, 20 FEET.
IF, IF IT IS A DRIVEWAY, IF IT IS CONSIDER A STREET, THEN IT'S 45, UH, DEGREE.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? NEGATIVE, STELLA, DID YOU HAVE SOME OTHER SLIDES YOU WANTED TO SHARE WITH US ON THOSE? THAT WAS ALL ON THESE TWO.
THEN DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, GUYS THAT ARE VIRTUAL? NO MA'AM.
THEN IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OR OBJECTIONS, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE.
YOU'RE NOT GETTING A CHANCE TO PARTICIPATE MUCH.
COMMISSIONER HALL, YOU CAN JUMP ON IN ANYTIME.
WE'RE SO GLAD TO HAVE A REAL LIFE COMMISSIONER.
WAS THAT MURPHY A MOTION? YES, MURPHY WAS A MOTION.
TODD, YOUR VOTE PLEASE, SIR? UH, APPROVED.
APPROVED MURPHY APPROVED COMMISSIONER APPROVED.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD HOPES WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR SCOTT BELOW THIS NEXT SLIDE, WE HAD HOPES THAT THIS WAS GOING TO REVITALIZE THAT AREA, JUST GETTING IT UPDATED
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AND EVERYTHING.UM, FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITIES THING BECAUSE I SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN THE OAK CLIFF AND, AND WEST AREA.
WHAT, WHAT ARE THE ANCHOR STORES? I SEE THERE'S
UM, THE, THE LARGE SPACE RIGHT MILL.
THAT'S A TARGET THAT'S BEING BUILT.
SO THAT, THAT THAT'LL BECOME THE MAIN ANCHOR FOR THE CENTER.
UM, WE DID RECENTLY OPEN A BURLINGTON STORE, UM, OVER, UM, NEAR WHERE THE ROSS IS TODAY THAT USED TO BE THE, THERE A FITNESS CENTER, SOMETHING THERE.
FITNESS IS DIRECTLY, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, TARGET'S DIRECTLY TO THE RIGHT, UM, IT'S THE BOX, BUT REPLACED THE OLD PROFESSIONAL BUILDING THAT USED TO BE OUT THERE.
AND THEN THERE WAS SOME LITTLE RESTAURANTS AND STUFF ON THE PERIMETER STUFF.
BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I DROVE UP THERE.
UH, RIGHT WHERE YOU SEE SIGN 11 IMMEDIATELY PLANNED NORTH OF THAT ABOVE IT, UM, IS CURRENTLY A CHASE BRANCH.
IF YOU GO RIGHT ABOVE THAT, THAT'S A NEW CHASE BRANCH THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED TO REPLACE IT.
AND ONCE, ONCE THAT'S DONE, WE WILL RECAPTURE THAT BUILDING AND REPLACE IT WITH A TWO TENANT RESTAURANT BUILDING THAT'LL HAVE, UM, CHIPOTLE AND KAFA IN IT.
SO, UM, WE'VE GOT A FEW OTHER THINGS IN THE WORKS RIGHT NOW.
UM, CANES, POPEYES, AND BURGER KING.
AND TACO BELLS ON THE HARD CORNER OF SAYING ILLINOIS AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY, UM, SCRAPING THEIR BUILDING AND BUILDING A, A NEW PROTOTYPE.
WE'VE RE UH, RECAST THEIR LEASE AND UH, WE'RE TALKING TO A FEW DIFFERENT, UH, CASUAL DINING RESTAURANTS FOR THE PAD ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF, UM, SIGN 11.
DRIVE THERE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY TAKE THAT AND PROVIDE SOMETHING IN A LITTLE DIFFERENT FOR THE OKAY.
SO WE'RE, WE'LL WORK OUR WAY THROUGH IT.
JUST, JUST MOSTLY IT IS ALL CASUAL DINING.
IT'S EITHER A MIX OF QUICK SERVICE OR, OR YOU KNOW, FAST CASUAL AND UH, CASUAL DINING.
THESE LAST TWO SIGNS ARE THE, UH, SUBDIVISION SIGNS.
UH, THIS IS UH, SIGN NUMBER 14 LOCATED AT THE BANCROFT DRIVE INSURANCE A AND YOU CAN SEE IT, UH, POINTED OUT IN THE RED ARROW.
THIS IS ONE OF TWO LED ELIMINATED SUBDIVISION SIGNS ALLOWED IN THIS SPSD AND THIS SIGN WILL BE 42.6 SQUARE FEET AND WILL NOT EXCEED FIVE FEET IN HEIGHT.
YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSAL LOCATION POINTED OUT HERE IN THIS PHOTO.
THE DIMENSIONS ARE FOUR FOOT 11 INCHES TALL BY 14 FOOT FIVE INCHES WIDE.
THE EFFECTIVE AREA IS 42.6 SQUARE FOOT.
COLORS ARE BRONZE LINE, GREEN, BLACK, DARK GRAY AND WHITE.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED SIGN HERE, IT'LL HAVE THE LOGO WINDWOOD VILLAGE AND THEN THE NON-COMMERCIAL MESSAGE ON THE BACK.
AND THEN THE SECOND LOCATION IS NUMBER 15 LOCATED AT THE LUDLOW DRIVE ENTRANCE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED LOCATION HERE POINTED OUT BY RED ARROW.
THIS IS THE SECOND OF THE TWO LED ELIMINATED SUBDIVISION SIGNS ALLOWED.
THIS SIGN WILL ALSO BE 42.6 SQUARE FEET AND WILL NOT EXCEED FIVE FEET IN HEIGHT.
THE EXACT SAME PROPOSED SIGN, SAME DIMENSIONS, AREA, AND COLORS AND THE SAME ENGINEERING.
I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT SEMANTICS SPOT.
AND WHEN THEY FIRST GOT OUT IN COLLEGE, SHALL WE SAY AN ADVANCED PLACEMENT ENGLISH TEACHER? SO HARD
AND THE VERBIAGE ON THE SIGNS TALKED ABOUT MAY CONTAIN A CO, UM, MAY AND MAY AND NOT WELL, OKAY.
IT USED THE TERM MAY ON THE NON-COMMERCIAL MESSAGE, WHICH IS THE THANK YOU FOR VISITING COME BACK SOON.
MAY MEANS IT COULD BE, BUT IT ALSO IMPLIES THAT SOMETHING ELSE COULD BE PUT THERE.
SO YOU WANNA JUST SAY, MUST BE, AND THAT'S SEMANTIC BECAUSE MAY CONVEYS POSSIBILITY RATHER THAN AFFIRMING THAT IT WOULD BE A NON-COMMERCIAL MESSAGE.
I SAID I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING A FORMAL ENGLISH THAT'S FROM OUR
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE THING I THOUGHT I WENT, WELL WAIT A MINUTE.
I HAD TO REREAD THE SENTENCE TWICE BECAUSE IT POSSIBILITY OF IT MAY BE A NON-COMMERCIAL BECAUSE IT'S, THAT'S IT'S THAT SIDE OF THE SIGN OF COMMERCIAL MESSAGE REALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE OR I KNOW IT DOESN'T.
YEAH, IT IT, THE MAN EXPLAIN IT WAS MORE JUST TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SPACE SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE A FLAME FACE BACK.
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OKAY.I DIDN'T YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR VIRTUAL FOLKS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU GUYS? NOT FOR ME.
I'VE I'VE ALWAYS LOVED THAT OLD CENTER AND UM, I LOVE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
OH, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS, THAT AREA TO SURROUND BY SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY.
THERE ARE APARTMENTS ON, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE THE, IT'S ON THE Z SITE, THE ZANG SITE.
THAT'S WHERE I REMEMBERED THEM.
I GOT SO TURNED AROUND DODGING CARS TRYING TO HIT ME OVER THERE.
IT'S FUNNY, I HOPE YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT BUDGET MANAGEMENT BECAUSE I THINK SCOTT, YOU HAD, YOU HAD SOME CONCERNS WHEN YOU DID THE 360 CAMERA VIDEO WHEN WE DID THIS.
UH, THAT'S WHAT THINGS WERE WORKING TO FIX.
'CAUSE IT'S STILL, BECAUSE IT'S SORT OF LIKE OSI, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A FREE FOR ALL.
ACROSS THE STREET IS, UM, PROJECT HOUSING, UM, COST FROM ILLINOIS AT ONE END OF IT.
BUT IF I REMEMBER DAVID, THOSE WERE LIKE BRICK AND MORTAR WEREN'T THEY? MM-HMM.
YEAH, BUT THEY'VE UH, SOMETIMES THE OLDER BETTER BUILT THAN SOME OF THE NEWER APARTMENTS THAT ARE PUT UP IN 10.
THE NEWER STUFF START RAPIDLY.
YEAH, BECAUSE I REMEMBER I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT LOOKED LIKE WHAT HE WOULD SAY IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
VERY WELL CONNECT AND I LOVE THE FACT THAT IT WAS SURROUNDED FOR THE TREES.
GEE, WE WANTED ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
SO DID YOU WANT A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CHANGE TO THAT PURPOSE IS KEN, SO COULD WE CHANGE THE MAY IN THIS APPROVAL OR IS THAT GOING BACK TO THE ACTUAL SIGNED DISTRICT LANGUAGE? I DON'T THINK, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE, WELL, BECAUSE THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A CHANGE OF SIGN DISTRICT RATHER THAN DISAPPROVAL BECAUSE I MEAN, THIS IS MEETING SO I DON'T THINK IT'S OFFICIAL BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOBODY ELSE IN THE WORLD PROBABLY.
I'M GONNA HIRE YOU TO DO ALL MY PROOFING THOUGH, THAT'S FOR SURE.
THE SIZE OF THAT WOULD'VE MEAN PROOF, COULDN'T IT SCOTT? NO, I THINK ALL OF ALL, ALL THE PERIMETER STUFF.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ISSUE WITH THIS SIGN.
YEAH, I JUST, THEY'RE READING WHAT THEY PROMISED THEY WOULD DO.
THEY BROUGHT IT TO US THE WAY THEY ADDED BEFORE, SO I DON'T, THEN MY OBJECTION.
AND THAT'S JUST SO I'M A NIT PICKER.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION THEN, GUYS? WAS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENT FROM YOUR AREA, GUYS, SHUT YOU OUT OF THE DISCUSSION? NO, QUITE ALL RIGHT.
THE, THE, JUST THE BASIC INTENT OF THESE SIGNS WERE WE GET A FAIR AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC INTO THE CENTER FROM THOSE ENTRANCES COMING FROM THE NORTH DOWN VERNON.
SO THIS WAS REALLY TO, TO CREATE A BETTER ARRIVAL OF EXPERIENCE.
THAT'S SO PEOPLE AREN'T JUST DRIVING INTO A BACK OF SHOPPING CENTER, BACKUP HOUSE.
SO THAT, THAT'S WITH AS THE PROJECT.
THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE, THE MORE INCREASED LANDSCAPING AND YOU KNOW, PAY SOME MORE ATTENTION TO THE BACK OF HOUSE TO, TO MAKE IT FEEL LIKE.
SO I'LL MOVE, I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE.
AND DO WE HAVE A SECOND CHAIR? THIS IS TODD.
OKAY, WE'RE GOING ROLL CALL VOTE MURPHY YOUR VOTE PLEASE SIR? I VOTE TO APPROVE.
COMMISSIONER HALON YOUR MOTION? YES MA'AM.
SO DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THESE SUMMONS? AND THEN IF NOT WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE MINUTES.
STUDY ANY NEW BUSINESS THAT WE'RE NOT AWARE OF? NO.
BRETT, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US VIRTUALLY GUYS.
THANK YOU FOR THE, WE APPROVE LAST MEETING MINUTES.
YEAH, THERE WAS ONE CHANGE TO THE MINUTES WHICH I CAUGHT BEFORE WE SCOTT REPRINTED THEM.
AND IT WAS JUST A COPY AND PASTE ERROR.
SO WE DO NEED TO VOTE ON THE MINUTES THEN.
UH, HAVE YOU ALL HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM? MM-HMM.
ANY CHANGES OR ADDITIONS TO NO MA'AM.
THE MINUTES, MA'AM? NO, NO CHANGES.
AND DO YOU HAVE A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES AS STATED?
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SECOND.AND THEN WE GET TO VOTE VIRTUALLY AGAIN.
AND I DIDN'T WARN YOU THAT MURPHY IS OUR CLASS CLOWN
COMMISSIONER HALL, THEY DON'T ALLOW ANYMORE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD DAVID.
HE SAID THAT THE, THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING YOU JOIN US VIRTUALLY IS THAT WE CAN MUTE YOU.
YOU CAN CUT ME OFF AT ANY TIME IF I'M THERE.
YOU'D NEVER BE ABLE TO SHUT ME DOWN
UH, THEN BASED ON THE MINUTES BEING APPROVED, WE'VE CONDUCTED ALL OF OUR BUSINESS.
SO LET MEETING ANSWER BY ADJOURNED.