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[Building Inspection Advisory, Examining and Appeals Board Special Called Meeting on March 5, 2025.]
NOW 1156.WE WILL NOW CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
AND BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE A CHAIR, THE FIRST THING WE'LL NEED TO DO IS ELECT A TEMPORARY PRESIDING OFFICER.
AND UNDER THE OPEN MEETING ACT, THAT PERSON MUST BE PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THIS ROOM.
ALRIGHT, THERE'S BEEN A MOTION AND A SECOND.
EVERYONE DID THE FOLKS LINE HEAR THAT MOTION? ALL RIGHT.
ANY OBJECTION OR SORRY? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALRIGHT, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UM, DOES THAT NEED IT FIRST AND THE SECOND? NO, WE'VE DONE THAT.
SO, UM, WHAT I NEED NOW, UH, EVERYONE HAS A COPY OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM JANUARY 21ST, HOPEFULLY.
UM, SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM JANUARY 21ST? 2024? I COMMENT.
YEAH, THAT WAS THE CORRECTION I WAS GONNA MAKE ALSO.
SO, UH, ANY POINTS OF DISCUSSION OTHER THAN THE VIRTUAL FOR CHARLES BRAND? SO ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? PREVIOUS MEETING MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
DAVID, YOU NEED THOSE SIGNED BY ME.
YOU HAVE THE EVIDENCE AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE MEETING.
THE NEXT ITEM IS TO REVIEW OUR RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE ADOPTION OF THE 2023 ELECTRICAL NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE WITH AMENDMENTS AFTER 56 DALLAS ELECTRICAL CODE BY THE CITY, DALLAS CITY CODE.
SO I THINK WE HAVE SOME PRESENTATION HERE,
SO WE WOULD TAKE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS WHO WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM BECAUSE YOU WILL BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT AND THEY WILL ALLOW FOR THE STAFF TO MAKE ITS PRESENTATION AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
SO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC, IT'S, THERE WAS STAFF THAT HANDLE THIS OUT, RIGHT? WELL, WELL, SO BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE VOTING ON MAKING A RECOMMENDATION OR THE PUBLIC GETS AN OPPORTUNITY TO STAY WITH FAITH PUBLIC.
DAVID, IS THERE ANYONE ON LINE, DO YOU KNOW? UH, GOOD MORNING.
UH, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS THE REVIEW OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO ADOPT THE NEXT EDITION OF THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE.
QUESTION IS, ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS OR ANY PARTICIPANTS ONLINE THAT HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE PROPOSAL TO ADOPT THE NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE? GOING ONCE YES.
NEXT FOR STAFFS FOR PRESENTATION.
UH, BEFORE I START, I GOT TWO EXTRA COPIES AND ANYBODY ELSE WANT, WANT? OKAY, WHAT IS BILL? HUH? OKAY, I'VE GOT TWO EXTRA COPIES IF YOU WANT.
UM, WE'LL DO A BRIEF SYNOPSIS OF ALL THE CHANGES.
I'LL GO THROUGH BY PAGE NUMBERS, REFERENCE NUMBERS, AND LET YOU KNOW KIND OF WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH IT.
SO WE START OUT PAGES ONE THROUGH 22.
THE ENTIRETY OF THE DOCUMENT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH CHANGE THE ADOPTED CODE CYCLE TO 23 FROM 2020, AND ANY ARTICLES THAT NEEDED TO BE RENUMBERED WERE RENUMBERED.
ITEM NUMBER TWO ON PAGE THREE IN SECTION 56, 81 0.4 B, THE DEFINITION OF AL SIGN WORK WAS AMENDED TO MATCH THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING REGULATIONS.
GIVES THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE LEEWAY WITH WHAT THEY CAN DO.
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THAT'S GONNA BE PAGE THREE, ELECTRICAL SIDE WORK.THEN AGAIN ON PAGE THREE, UH, BE 56, 81, DO FOUR B.
WE AMENDED THE DEFINITION FOR ESTABLISHED PLACE OF BUSINESS TO INCLUDE AN EMAIL ADDRESS THAT IS A REQUIREMENT FOR OUR UPCOMING PLAN MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE.
SO WE HAD TO ADD THAT IN THERE.
NUMBER PAGE NUMBER 4 81 0.4 B.
THIS IS GONNA BE A SERIES OF FIVE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS.
JOURNEYMAN, ELECTRICIAN, JOURNEYMAN SIGN, ELECTRICIAN, MASTER ELECTRICIAN, MASTER SIGN, ELECTRICIAN AND RESIDENTIAL WIREMEN.
WE ALL, WE ADDED THROUGH EVERY DEFINITION A REFERENCE TO THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING AND REGULATIONS AND THE OWN LICENSE AS THE BASELINE REQUIREMENT FOR A LICENSE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
WE WANTED TO CLARIFY TO MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEARER.
THE CHIEF ELECTRICAL CODE ADMINISTRATOR WAS REFERRED TO INCORRECTLY AND NOT COMPLETELY.
IT IS A DEFINED TERM, SO IT NEEDED TO BE EDITED CORRECTLY.
THAT WAS ON SIX, THAT WAS ON PAGE 10, BUT ITEM SIX.
AT THIS POINT, YOU WON'T FIND THESE IN THERE BECAUSE WE TOOK ALL THREE OF THESE OUT.
THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT TO 4 0 8 0.4 THAT DEALT WITH THE CIRCUIT DIRECTORY.
THE NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE WAS UPDATED.
WHERE WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN? IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NUMBER NINE PREVIOUSLY.
WE DELETED NUMBER 15 PREVIOUSLY, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN AN AMENDMENT TO 7 0 5 TO 11 C.
AGAIN, THE CODE CORRECTED THIS, WE DIDN'T NEED IT ANY LONGER.
WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN NUMBER 16 WAS DELETED AS WELL.
THAT WAS 7 10 15 A IN SUPPLY OUTPUT OF A STANDALONE SYSTEM.
RIGHT NOW, THOSE THREE ARE NOT ON THE DOCUMENT.
I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOT.
NOW WE WILL GET INTO THE ONES THAT WE EITHER ARRANGE TO KEEP.
THESE ARE, THESE ARE ACTUALLY IN THE DOCUMENT.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA GO TO PAGE 13 AND 14.
THIS IS, UH, NUMBER SIX AMENDING ARTICLE 100.
THIS IS OUR DEFINITION OF ENGINEERING SUPERVISION.
THIS WAS A PREVIOUS CITY DALLAS AMENDMENT.
WE ARE CARRYING THIS FORWARD WITH CHANGE.
UH, WE HAVE REFERENCED THE T-E-E-L-S LAW TO BETTER DEFINE WHO IS A QUALIFIED ENGINEER WHEN IT COMES TO DESIGNING ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS AND WHAT THOSE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS SHOULD BE.
IT SAYS ON PAGE 13, 13 AND 14, PAGE 14, NUMBER SEVEN, WE ARE AMENDING, I'M SORRY, WE ARE CARRYING FORWARD OUR AMENDMENT TO ONE 10.2 APPROVAL OF EQUIPMENT DEALS WITH BASELINE APPROVAL FOR ALL ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT IN THE CITY OF DIALYSIS.
NUMBER EIGHT, AMENDING ONE 10 POINT 12 B.
THIS IS A PROPOSED NEW AMENDMENT.
WE ADDED SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE TO GIVE CONTRACTORS A LITTLE MORE ABILITY TO GET SYSTEMS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN DAMAGED DUE TO FIRE SOOT, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES.
APPROVED FOR USE, AGAIN, PENDING, UH, A FIELD EVALUATION AND ENGINEERING OVERSIGHT.
THIS IS ALSO A NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.
THAT'S OUR AMENDMENT PROPOSED TWO 10.8 A EXCEPTION NUMBER FOUR.
UH, IN THIS CYCLE, THEY ADDED AN EXCEPTION FOR EXHAUST FANS THAT HAVE INTEGRAL RECEPTACLES BUILT INTO THEM FOR BATHROOMS THAT DIDN'T NEED GFCI PROTECTION.
UH, THIS IS A NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL GOVERNMENT'S AMENDMENT.
AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS STRICKEN THE WORD BATHROOM TO COVER ANY EXHAUST FAN IN A HOUSE BECAUSE NONE OF THEM SHOULD HAVE DOCI PROTECTION.
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AND PREVIOUSLY IT WASSO THEOLOGICAL CODE, WE'VE GOT THE NEED TO PUT IT IN PRINT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GSCI PROTECT THOSE.
WE JUST, WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND SAID THERE'S NO ROOM HOUSE WHERE IT SHOULD BE REQUIRED.
SO WE JUST STRIP THE WORD BATHROOM NUMBER 10 AGAIN ON PAGE 15.
THIS IS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT 2 10 52 C ONE EXCEPTION NUMBER TWO FOR COUNTERTOP RECEPTACLE SPACING.
IT WAS AN EXCEPTION ADDITIVE CODE THAT ALLOWED FOR, UH, RECEPTACLE SPACING TO NOT MATCH UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE IT WASN'T CONVENIENT.
UH, THAT AT THE NORTH CENTRAL COUNCIL, TEXAS COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS, WE FELT THAT THAT WAS AN ISSUE BECAUSE EXTENSION CORDS COULD BE USED AND YOU COULD HAVE SOME FIRE HAZARDS.
THERE ARE MEANS WITH WHICH TO TAKE CARE OF THIS.
SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO STRIKE THAT EXCEPTION.
BE NUMBER 10, PAGE NUMBER 16, NUMBER 11, AMENDMENT TO 2 10 52.
THIS IS A NEW PROPOSED AMENDMENT AS WELL.
THE CODE CHANGED TO SAY YOU CAN NO LONGER PUT A RECEPTACLE IN THE SIDE OF THE CABINET.
THEY WILL NO LONGER ALLOW THEM ON THE SIDES OF ISLANDS AND PENINSULAS, BUT THEY DO NOT REQUIRE THEM ON ISLANDS AND PENINSULAS ANY LONGER.
THEY PUT UP, UH, SOME WORDING IN THERE THAT REQUIRES PROVISIONS FOR THOSE RECEPTACLES.
ALL WE DID IN HERE WAS GO IN HERE AND DEFINE WHAT THOSE PROVISIONS ARE.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE A CHAPTER THREE WIRING METHOD OUT THROUGH THAT ISLAND OR PENINSULA, TAP IT IN A BOX UNDERNEATH IT, AND IT HAS TO BE PART OF A, A SMALL APPLIANCE BRANCH CIRCUIT QUESTION.
UM, SO THAT ONE OF THE COG MEETINGS WHEN THIS CAME UP, UM, I'VE BEEN TOLD A LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND TOWN ARE JUST NOT PROVIDING THEM BECAUSE THE WILL KEEPS EXCHANGING WHETHER YOU CAN, AM I UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY? THIS IS SAYING YOU CANNOT INSTALL THE OUTLET, BUT YOU CAN INSTALL BASICALLY THE UNDO IT AND J BOX FOR IT FOR FUTURE USE.
THE, THE DEFINITION OF AN OUTLET IS ONLY IN AN OPENING ON THE ELECTRICAL CIRCUIT.
YOU CANNOT INSTALL A RECEPTACLE.
YOU CANNOT INSTALL A RECEPTACLE.
BUT IN THE ISLAND, IT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED FOR THE, THAT DEFINITION OF PROVISIONS THAT YOU SUPPLY A BRANCH CIRCUIT OUT TO THE ISLAND IN THE BOTTOM OF THE ISLAND FOR BEING USED BY SOMEONE.
SO WHY WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT IN A, A PLUG.
WE HAVE TO PROVIDE FIRING OR PLUG.
THEY'RE REQUIRED PROVISIONS IN THE MEC.
ALL WE'RE DOING IS CLARIFYING WHAT THE PROVISIONS ARE.
SO WHY AREN'T WE ALLOWED TO PUT IN A, IN AN OUTLET, AGAIN, THE PEOPLE ARE SETTING SAY A CROCK FIGHT ON A KITCHEN ISLAND PLUGGING AN EMPTY BASE CABINET THAT'S SEVERELY BURNED.
SO THERE'S A COMMUNITY THAT WENT TO THE I CCC WHEN WE SAID, DON'T NEED TO, Y'ALL NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
SO THEY OUTLAWED THEM EVENTUALLY, BUT THERE'S BEEN SOME BACK AND FORTH WHETHER IT'S OUTLAWED OR NOT.
SO, SO NOW THEY'RE SAYING YOU CAN PREPARE FOR IT, BUT YOU CAN INSTALL IT AND THEN IT'S UP TO THE HOMEOWNER AFTER COS GO IN AND HAVE IT BACK ESSENTIALLY THAT PERMIT THAT THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED.
IT'S A VERY CONVENTION SUBJECT.
BUT I JUST THINKING, I LITERALLY PUT LIKE A CROCKPOT ON MY ISLAND AND LIKE PLUG IT IN IT ALL THE TIME.
NOW IT'S THIS THE SAME, IT'S, BUT YOU CAN STILL PUT IN A POP-UP PLUG ON AN ISLAND, CORRECT? CORRECT.
YOU ON THE ISLAND SURFACE ON THE SURFACE, CORRECT.
UH, ARE WE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE DEBATE RIGHT NOW? I MEAN, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, THEY'RE ASKING QUESTIONS AS, OKAY, FINE.
UM, ITEM NUMBER 12, UH, PAGE 16.
THIS IS A NEW PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO 2 10 60 3D TWO.
UH, THIS IS AN AMENDMENT THAT'S GOING TO REMOVE SOME CODE CONFLICTION FOR SERVICE RECEPTACLES THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL INSTALLATIONS AS TO WHERE THEY CAN BE SUPPLIED FROM.
UH, THIS AMENDMENT WOULD ACTUALLY VIOLATE NUMEROUS AS WRITTEN IN THE NEC THAT VIOLATES NUMEROUS OTHER CODES TO PUT IT IN THE WAY THAT IT SAYS.
BUT WE VOTE A NEED TO STRIKE FROM CODE.
THAT'S NUMBER, THAT WAS PAGE 16, ITEM NUMBER 12 ON THE CHAPTER 56, AGAIN ON PAGE 16.
NUMBER 13, UH, PROPOSED NEW AMENDMENT TO TWO 20, CREATING A NEW ARTICLE TWO 20.7.
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THIS WILL REQUIRE PROOF OF CALCULATION FOR ANY NEW SERVICE FEEDER BRANCH, CIRCUIT, OR ANY ALTERATIONS WITH NEW APPLIED LOADS TO THOSE CIRCUITS.SO WHEN YOU SAY, UH, PROOF OF CALCULATIONS, SOMETHING YOU WANT ON, ON AN ELECTRICAL DRAWING OR LIKE YEAH.
ON AN ELECTRICAL DRAWING, WHICH THEY'RE PROVIDED ALREADY.
IT'S ALREADY REQUIRED IN SOME OF OUR DOCUMENTATION, THIS CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL GOVERNMENT'S AMENDMENT AS WELL.
UM, AND IT'S DEALS MOSTLY WITH ADDED LOADS, LARGE ADDED LOADS TO OUR UNITS, UH, MATTER BY NOW.
WHO CAN PROVIDE THOSE SPECULATIONS? DOES IT HAVE TO BE AN ENGINEER BY STATE LAW? A MASTER ELECTRICIAN CAN PROVIDE MOST OF THEM.
UH, THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHEN THE T UH, P LAW KICKS IN THAT IT WOULD BE REQUIRED BY AN ENGINEER.
NUMBER 14 ON PAGE 17, THIS IS A CARRY, CARRY AN AMENDMENT FORWARD THAT WE'VE HAD BEFORE.
THIS IS WIRING ABOVE SUSPENDED CEILINGS.
IT'S AN ALLOWANCE TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER AND YOU'RE USING SMALLER WIRING METHODS TO ATTACH LIGHTING CIRCUITS IN COMMERCIAL OCC NUMBER 15, IT'S GONNA BE ON PAGE 18.
THIS IS GONNA BE AMENDMENT WE'RE CARRYING FORWARD.
UH, THIS AGAIN MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR CONTRACTORS USING, USING OLDER METHODS THAT WE'VE HAD BEFORE.
UH, THAT WAS CHECKED WITH OTHER PORTIONS OF THE CODE ITEM.
WAS THAT, THAT WAS, UH, ITEM NUMBER 15.
ITEM NUMBER 16 AGAIN ON PAGE 18.
I'M SORRY, CAN YOU EXPLAIN OR, OR EXPLAIN 15? ABSOLUTELY.
UH, WHAT, WHAT IT SAYS CURRENTLY IN THE NEC WITHOUT THE AMENDMENT, IT SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T USE A LUMINAIRE FOR ACCESSING THINGS ABOVE THAT LUMINARY.
ONE, ONE OF THE TRIED AND TRUE METHODS THAT HAVE BEEN USED FOREVER WAS TO USE EITHER A TWO BY TWO OR A TWO BY FOUR LUMIN AIR AS AN ACCESS POINT FOR THINGS ABOVE IT.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE WENT BACK TO 1926 WHERE IT STARTS TALKING ABOUT CLEARANCES AND WE REFERENCED THEIR 22 AND A HALF BY 22 AND A HALF CLEARANCE THAT THEY HAVE THERE, WHICH IS EXACTLY THE SAME SIZE AS THAT TWO BY TWO TO SAY THAT IF YOU GOT A TWO BY TWO OR A TWO BY FOUR, YOU CAN LOOK THAT UP AND ACCESS THINGS ABOVE.
IT ELIMINATES THE NEEDS FOR SO MANY ACCESS PANELS.
UH, APPLIANCE DISCONNECT ACCESS.
THIS IS ANOTHER AMENDMENT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY.
WE'RE LOOKING TO CARRY THIS FORWARD AGAIN, BUT SOMETHING THAT GIVES DIRECTION, UH, FOR ACCESSIBILITY OF APPLIANCES, UH, IN ATTIC SPACES.
MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A WAY THAT THE ELECTRICIAN OR HVC MECHANIC HAS A WAY TO EASILY REACH THAT, UH, DISCONNECT.
PAGE 18 AND 19, WE'RE LOOKING AT NUMBER 17.
THIS IS GROUPED TOGETHER WITH THE NEXT ONE ON PAGE 1917 AND 19.
UH, THESE WERE AMENDMENTS TELLING YOU WHO COULD DESIGN, UH, OR WHO COULD APPROVE SOME HAZARDOUS LOCATION EQUIPMENT AND WHO COULD PERFORM ZONE CLASSIFICATIONS.
WE'VE ADDED A LITTLE BIT OF LANGUAGE TO BOTH OF THOSE MATCHING THAT TBPE LAW THAT WAS REFERENCED EARLIER.
QUICK QUESTION ON 16 THAT WAS CARRIED OVER FROM THE, THIS JUST AN AMENDMENT CARRIED OVER.
AN AMENDMENT IS PROPOSED TO SIX 90.9 D.
UH, THIS ONE HERE CREATES A SAFETY HAZARD FOR TRANSFORMERS LOCATED IN OCCUPANCIES THAT ARE SUPPLYING PHOTOVOLTAIC EQUIPMENT IF DONE IMPROPERLY, COULD CREATE A, A SEVERE HAZARD INSIDE THAT OCCUPANCY.
THIS AGAIN IS THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL GOVERNANCE AMENDMENT.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU STRIKE FROM THE ITSELF.
ITEM NUMBER 20 ON PAGES 19 AND 20, WE'RE LOOKING TO CARRY FORWARD THIS AMENDMENT FOR FIRE PUMP CONDUCTORS INSIDE THE FIRE PUMP ROOM NECESSARILY BECAUSE THE FIRE PUMP ROOM ITSELF IS NOT DEMANDED TO BE OF A RIGID OR MORE RIGID CONSTRUCTION AS OUR MOST SERVICE CONDUCTORS, UH,
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OR MAKING THOSE CONDUCTORS MATCH THE OTHER SIMILAR CONDUCTORSANOTHER PROPOSED AMENDMENT THAT DEALS WITH WHAT THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS ARE ON SITE DURING THE, IN, DURING THE INSTALLATION OF ANY INTERCONNECTED POWER SUPPLY SYSTEM.
THIS IS ANOTHER CENTRAL FOCUS COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS AMENDMENT AS WELL.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT ONE A LITTLE FURTHER? MM-HMM
UH, INTERCONNECTED POWER SUPPLY SYSTEMS OR ANY SYSTEMS THAT OPERATE IN CONJUNCTION WITH ANOTHER PILOTS PROCESSING, IT CAN BE SOLAR GENERATOR, GENERATOR UTILITY.
UH, IT GETS VERY COMPLEX SOMETIMES WE'RE TYING FOUR AND FIVE DIFFERENT POWER SUPPLY SYSTEMS TOGETHER ON SITE.
AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PROPERLY QUALIFIED PERSON IS ON SITE AT ALL TIMES.
AND THAT'S WHY WE GIVE IT TO THOSE TWO TYPES OF LICENSES.
WHAT WAS IT PREVIOUSLY OR WHAT WAS THERE? UH, IT COULD BE LEFT UP TO INTERPRETATION ON, ON THE DWELLING UNITS THAT A RESIDENTIAL WMAN COULD DO THAT.
UM, BUT THEIR, UH, TRAINING OFTEN LIMITS THEM.
240 VOLTS, UH, OFTEN LIMITS THEM TO NON-METALLIC WIRING METHODS.
A JOURNEYMAN IS MORE VERSED IN UP TO 600 VOLTS TO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IN A RESIDENTIAL SETTING UP TO A THOUSAND VOLTS ON A COMMERCIAL.
UM, SO WE DEVELOP THEM FAR MORE QUALIFIED.
THIS IS A NEW PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
AGAIN, A NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT AMENDMENT DEALING WITH WHAT POWER SOURCES COULD BE COUNTED WHEN YOU'RE COUNTING THE CAPACITY FOR A MICROGRID SYSTEM.
MICROGRID SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN ADDED THROUGHOUT EMERGENCY SYSTEMS, LEGALLY REQUIRED SYSTEM, HOSPITALS, ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT THAT CAPACITY SHOULD BE BASED UPON WEATHER CONDITIONS AND WHAT TIME OF DAY.
IT'S, AND THAT IS THE CONCLUSION OF MY PRESENTATION.
YOU DON'T WANT TO RELY UPON THOSE FLOOR SYSTEMS. AND DO I NEED TO RECOMMEND YOU? UH, I MEAN, I ASSUME YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS ADOPTION, IS THAT CORRECT? THESE ARE MY RECOMMENDATIONS, YES.
SO, BUT THIS IS LIKE THE CITY THAT'S, IT'S CALLED, THIS IS LAST WINDOW AGAINST LIKE CA STUFF LIKE TAKING SOLAR AND WIND OFF EMERGENCY POWER GRIDS.
LIKE I, I THOUGHT THE CITY PASSED STUFF THAT LIKE WANTED US TO GO THE OTHER WAY.
IT WOULD TAKE IT OFF OF WHAT COULD BE COUNTED AS A CAPACITY FOR THOSE STANDBY SYSTEMS IS WHAT IT'S GONNA DO.
IT'S NOT GONNA SAY YOU CAN'T USE IT OR CAN'T HAVE IT.
IT'S SAYING THAT IF I HAVE A HOSPITAL OR I HAVE ASSEMBLY OCCUPANCY OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES WHERE I NEED AN EMERGENCY SYSTEM OR
CAN YOU COUNT THE BATTERIES THAT MIGHT BE ABSOLUTE SYSTEM? ABSOLUTELY.
SO LONG AS THEY MEET THE, OUR REQUIRE, UH, OUR REQUIREMENTS.
THAT GAS TANK SOLAR DOESN'T GET EXCLUDED IN THE GAS TANK.
YOU NEED TO HAVE FOR YEAH, EXACTLY.
YEAH, IT COULD, YOU CAN USE THAT GAS, BUT YOU CAN'T, IT CAN'T BE PART OF CALCULATION.
YOU KNOW, I THINK MOTOR IS NOT ELECTRICITY.
ELECTRICITY, COMPUTER NOT A FEE.
MAKES YOUR REQUEST FOR APPROVAL.
DO I HAVE TO MAKE A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL? I MADE RECOMMENDATION.
SO ANY MORE QUESTIONS TO GET 'EM ANSWERED? MOVE WENT.
UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO UH, ACCEPT THE ADOPTION? SECOND.
ALL OPPOSED? NO MORE DISCUSSION.
THE GOOD, THE EYES HAVE IT PASSED.
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ALRIGHT, THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS BRIEFING ON REQUEST FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE.
SO, UM, SAME THING AND THROUGH THE CHAIR, DAVID SESSION, ASSISTANT BUILDING OFFICIAL, WE GOT A REQUEST YESTERDAY FROM, UH, ONE OF THE PARTICIPANTS, PARTICIPANTS WHO I THINK IS ON THE MEETING HERE, WHO WANTED TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
AND I SPOKE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY YESTERDAY AND WE SAID THAT AS LONG AS HER PRESENTATION WAS GERMANE THROUGH THE SUBJECT MATTER, UH, THEN SHE COULD BE ALLOWED TO MAKE HER PRESENTATION.
SO AT THIS POINT, SUBJECT TO THE CHAIR, UH, WE CAN ALLOW HER TO DO THAT PRESENTATION.
IS IS THAT PUBLIC? YEAH, SHE'S, UH, ON ONLINE HERE.
THAT SO ACCEPTABLE THAT IT A DECISION FOR YOU TO YEAH, IT'S UH, BEGINNING A BRIEFING.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
IS THERE A TIME LIMIT ON IT? WELL, FOR OUR NORMAL, FOR OUR NORMAL OPERATION, THERE IS A FIVE MINUTE, BUT THIS IS A BRIEFING.
SO THERE'S, THE BOARD HASN'T DECIDED ON A TIME LIMIT.
YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE MAYBE A GOOD IDEA.
IT'S WITHIN RECENT SAME FIVE MINUTES.
UH, CINDY, ARE YOU THERE? I SEE HER, HER NAME ON? YES, I'M HERE.
ARE YOU READY WITH YOUR PRESENTATION? CAN YOU, DO YOU HAVE YOUR CAMERA, YOUR CAMERA, CAMERA WORKING? YES.
UM, I'M GONNA TRY TO SHARE IT.
DID SHE, DID SHE HEAR YOU WERE I'LL LET HER KNOW THAT IT WAS, YOU DID LET HER.
UH, TERONA, DO YOU WANNA PULL UP THE POWERPOINT OR SHOULD I? IF YOU HAVE IT.
I BELIEVE SHE EMAILED IT THIS MORNING.
CAN YOU SEE THAT? YES, I THINK SO.
I'M GONNA KEEP IT LIKE THIS JUST 'CAUSE I CAN SEE WHAT I'M PRESENTING THIS WAY.
MY NAME IS CINDY GITA AND I SERVE AS THE REGIONAL MANAGER FOR THE NATIONAL FIRE SPRINKLER ASSOCIATION.
AND I'M SPECIFICALLY COMMENTING ON THE PROPOSED, UH, CITY OF DALLAS, UH, DWELLING PROPOSAL THAT WILL AFFECT, UM, ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS AND, UH, BRING IN THE POSSIBILITY OF MULTIPLE DWELLINGS.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS IS CONSIDERING THIS, UM, AS AN EFFORT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
AND, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS TOO THAT, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE LOOKING AT OTHER CITIES AND, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT CITIES LIKE AUSTIN, LIKE, UH, MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE, AND LIKE SEATTLE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH WITH BOTH COWORKERS AND OTHER FOLKS AS WELL AS THE CODES HIMSELF.
AND, UM, THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, MY COMMENTS ARE COMING FROM.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO, UH, THE NEXT, UM, SLIDE.
UH, MY COWORKER JEFF HUGO, WHO'S THE VICE PRESIDENT OF NFSA, AND HE SITS ON MANY OF THE ICC CODES, IBC, THE IFC, AS WELL AS MY COWORKERS WHO SIT ON OVER A HUNDRED DIFFERENT ICC AND NFPA COMMITTEES.
UM, THIS INFORMATION IS FROM THEM.
THE, UM, THE EFFECTS OF THE DALLAS PROPOSED CODE COULD, YOU KNOW, DO THE FOLLOWING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THERE ARE SEVERAL
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CONFLICTS AND, AND CONTRADICTING, UH, PIECES OF INFORMATION IN THE PROPOSAL.DID EVERYBODY GET MY PACKET OF INFORMATION THAT I SENT TO TERONA? AND I DO HAVE, UH, WE SENT THAT, WE SENT THAT INFORMATION TO ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, ONE OF THE MOST CONCERNING ELEMENTS OF THE PROPOSED CODE IS THAT THERE WOULD BE MULTIPLE UNITS ALLOWED IN BUILDINGS UNDER 7,500 SQUARE FEET WITHOUT FIRE PROTECTION.
UM, THESE PROPOSED BUILDINGS WOULD HAVE NO SPRINKLERS, THERE WAS NO MENTION OF ALARMS AND, UM, THERE WOULDN'T BE, UH, ASSOCIATED MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS WITH THOSE BUILDINGS EITHER.
UM, THIS PUTS THE BUILDING OCCUPANTS, OF COURSE, AND THE FIREFIGHTERS WHO HAVE TO RESPOND TO THESE BUILDINGS AT MUCH GREATER RISK WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO ENTER SHARED MULTI-UNIT BUILDINGS.
THE DATA PACKAGE I PROVIDED YOU WITH SHOWS THAT, UH, FIRE FATALITIES AND, AND FIRE INJURIES ESCALATE GREATLY WHEN OUR OCCUPANTS ARE IN MULTI-UNIT HOUSING.
THE ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS SINGLE BUILDING STAIRWAYS AND IT PROPOSES ONLY PRESSURIZED STAIRWELLS WITHOUT FIRE SPRINKLERS.
UM, THE OTHER CITIES THAT YOU, UM, HAVE BASED YOUR ORDINANCE ON AND THAT I RESEARCHED DO REQUIRE FIRE SPRINKLERS AT LEAST, UH, 13 ARE, UM, IDENTICAL BUILDINGS THAT MIGHT BE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, SOME OLDER, SOME NEWER MIGHT BE PERMITTED UNDER THE IRC AND ONE ANOTHER UNDER THE IBC CREATING A VERY UNBALANCED LEVEL OF SAFETY AND INSPECTIONS FOR YOUR ENFORCING STAFF.
MULTI-UNIT BUILDINGS SHOULD BE REGULATED UNDER THE IBC ENSURING CONSISTENT FIRE PROTECTION AND LIFE SAFETY MEASURES.
THE ORDINANCE CREATES A LOT OF LOOPHOLES IN FIRE SAFETY AND INTRODUCES NEW CHALLENGES AGAIN FOR YOUR INSPECTORS.
UM, HERE'S WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING, AND I'M ACTUALLY HERE IN SAN MARCOS, TEXAS RIGHT NOW AND, AND JUST PREVIOUSLY SPOKE WITH THE CITY OF AUSTIN FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THEY CONSIDERED A SINGLE STAIRWELL AMENDMENT BUT ARE NOT GOING FORWARD WITH IT TO THEIR CITY COUNCIL.
UM, WHAT THEY ARE GOING FORWARD WITH IS A TRIPLEX THAT, UM, CANNOT BE MORE THAN THREE STORIES IN HEIGHT AND IT WILL REQUIRE A FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN IT.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT AUSTIN'S DOING.
THEY SAID THAT THIS PARTICULAR, UM, CODE HAS TO GO THROUGH THEIR ZONING, UH, STAFF AS WELL, BUT THEY'RE EXPECTING A LOT OF THEIR 2024 CODES TO GO TO COUNCIL IN THE NEXT MONTH.
UH, SEATTLE, UM, SEATTLE WAS MENTIONED AS ALSO ALLOWING MULTIPLE UNITS AND SINGLE STAIRWELLS AND, AND THEY MAY BE ONE OF THE FIRST CITIES THAT DID THIS, BUT THEY DON'T ALLOW MORE THAN FOUR DWELLING UNITS ON ANY ONE FLOOR.
AND AGAIN, ACCORDING TO THEIR WORDING, IT HAS TO BE PROTECTED THROUGHOUT WITH AN AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
AND THEN, UM, MEMPHIS WAS MENTIONED TO ME, AND I DID, I DID, UM, CONTACT MY COWORKER WHO WORKS, UH, WITH TENNESSEE AND, UM, DO YOU REALLY WANT DALLAS TO BE LIKE MEMPHIS? UM, BECAUSE OF ALL THE O OF THE CITIES THAT I LOOKED AT, THEY DEFINITELY ARE THE LEAST PROTECTIVE.
THEY HAVE CREATED A DWELLING ORDINANCE CALLED LARGE HOMES THAT HAS VERY LITTLE PROTECTION AND BASICALLY IT BECOMES A BUILDING WITH SIX HOMES AND NO REGULATION, NO ENFORCEMENT, AND NO FIRE SAFETY.
UM, WE'RE JUST ABOUT OUT OF TIME.
MAYBE YOU WANNA LEAVE US WITH A COUPLE CLOSING THOUGHTS? I SURE DO.
UM, PART OF MY JOB WITH NFSA IS TO MONITOR STATE LEGISLATION AND ON THE SCREEN I'VE GOT, UM, SEVERAL BILLS THAT ARE COMING UP THAT TO ME WILL PREEMPT ANYTHING THAT DALLAS DOES, AND I WOULD URGE YOU TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER MAY.
UM, I'M GONNA URGE MOST CITIES TO DO THIS.
EVERYBODY IS LOOKING AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND INCLUDING OUR STATE LEGISLATURE, AND THE MOST RECENT BILL THEY CAME UP WITH YESTERDAY IS SB 15 AND IT'S SIZE AND DENSITY FOR RESIDENTIAL LOTS, AND IT'S SPECIFICALLY GOING TO ENFORCE THAT LOTS MIGHT BE
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1400 SQUARE FEET.AND, UM, THAT, UH, THERE IS ANOTHER LAW PENDING THAT SAYS, UH, NEIGHBORING SUBDIVISIONS CANNOT, UM, OPPOSE THIS KIND OF CONSTRUCTION.
UM, BUT THEN THERE'S MANY OTHER, UH, BILLS AS WELL THAT ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW AFFECT CONVERSION OF COMMERCIAL TO MIXED USE AND MULTIFAMILY NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS ON PROPERTY.
AND, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT I'M CATCHING, BUT I WOULD URGE YOU TO WAIT BEFORE YOU CHANGE YOUR CODES BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GOING TO FEEL SOME TRICKLE DOWN AND SOME PASSING OF THESE LAWS.
SB 15 HAS SOME VERY POWERFUL LEGISLATORS BEHIND IT.
UM, LASTLY, WE, UH, ALWAYS FAVOR ADOPTING NATIONAL MODEL CODES BECAUSE IT WILL, UM, AFFECT YOUR COMMUNITY ISO RATING AND, UM, YOUR B SEGS, YOUR BUILDING GRADE EFFECTIVENESS SCORE.
SO, UM, SHOULD YOU NOT ENFORCE AND ADOPT NATIONAL CODES, IT MAY AFFECT YOUR ISO RATING.
UM, IT WILL AFFECT LIABILITY SHOULD CITY OF DALLAS OR YOUR BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS GO TO COURT AND THEY CAN'T HONESTLY SAY THAT THEY ARE FOLLOWING ADOPTED NATIONAL CODES.
IT MAY AFFECT A DA AND FEDERAL LEGISLATION.
UM, AND THIS PROPOSED CODE DEFINITELY CONFLICTS WITH THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT CODE ADOPTION THAT BOTH MYSELF AND CHIEF FREEMAN HAVE SAT THROUGH FOR THE PAST YEAR AND WORKED SO HARD TO COME UP WITH AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD PROVIDE GREATER SAFETY, NOT LESS SAFETY.
I WANNA INTRODUCE NOW SOME FOLKS THAT ARE VERY, VERY INTIMATE WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UM, THEIR NAMES ARE, UH, DJ AND ZACH SUTTERFIELD.
AND, AND I WOULD ASK, THEY'VE WAITED FOR THE PAST HOUR TO SPEAK WITH YOU, IF YOU CAN ALLOW THEM A FEW MINUTES.
I KNOW YOU'LL GREATLY APPRECIATE HEARING FROM THEM.
IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE WITH YOU ALL TODAY.
MY NAME IS ZACHARY SUTTERFIELD.
UM, I WAS CRITICALLY INJURED IN AN APARTMENT FIRE IN 2018 IN SAN MARCUS, TEXAS, AND THERE'S LARGEST ARSON FIRE IN HAYES COUNTY HISTORY.
UM, I THINK I DID WHAT EVERY COLLEGE STUDENT DOES AND FOUND, UH, EQUITABLE HOUSING AS I SAW IT.
UH, MY FRIENDS WERE THERE, IT WAS NEARBY.
AND, UM, THE, THE, THE BIG THING WAS IT WAS ENOUGH MONEY THAT I COULD MAKE THE MONTHLY PAYMENTS.
I WAS VERY UNAWARE OF HOW UNSAFE THE BUILDING WAS, UH, WITH NO SPRINKLER SYSTEM, NO, UM, CENTRALIZED ALARM SYSTEMS. UH, AND I WAS, UH, NAIVE.
UM, I THINK THAT MY STORY IS ONE OF THOSE THAT RESONATES WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHOULD MEAN EQUITABLE HOUSING, AND IT SHOULD MEAN THAT, UM, WHERE SOMEBODY LAYS THEIR HEAD DOWN AT NIGHT DOES NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE RISKS OF WAKING UP TO AN ARSON FIRE.
THE RISK, THE RISKS OF WAKING UP TO A KITCHEN FIRE.
UM, SPRINKLER SYSTEMS SAVE LIVES.
THE DATA SHOWS THIS, AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IS, UM, PRETTY PARTISAN, PARTISAN ACROSS THE BOARD, UH, IS, UM, JUST MAKING SURE THAT, UH, WHERE WE LAY OUR HEADS DOWN AT NIGHT IS SAFE, EQUITABLE, AND, UM, BETTER FOR THE FUTURE.
I ALWAYS LIKE TO SAY THAT WE'RE BUILDING A PATH IN FRONT OF US FOR THOSE TO WALK BEHIND A LITTLE EASIER.
AND I THINK WITH AMENDMENTS THAT MAKE, UH, BUILDING SAFETY AND SECURITY, UH, A BIT BETTER AND MORE PREVALENT, UH, THE MORE LIKELY IT IS THAT THE CHILDREN, UH, WHO FOLLOW IN OUR FOOTSTEPS WILL LIVE A BETTER, GREATER LIFE AND A MORE EQUITABLE LIFE.
UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE AND SPEAK ON THESE MATTERS TODAY.
UM, ZACH WAS ONLY GONE 10 DAYS WHEN THIS FIRE HAPPENED, AND YES, IT WAS ARSON, BUT IT COULD HAVE VERY WELL BEEN A KITCHEN FIRE.
THERE WERE NO SPRINKLER SYSTEMS IN PLACE THAT WE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT.
AS PARENTS, WE SENT OUR KID OFF TO COLLEGE, WE BOUGHT POTS AND PANS, WE BOUGHT EVERYTHING YOU COULD THINK OF.
WE GAVE HIM BRIEFINGS ABOUT EVERYTHING TO BE SAFE.
AND ON JULY 20TH, 2018, MY SON WOKE UP TO BEING ON FIRE.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING I'LL NEVER FORGET.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY TORMENTS OUR FAMILY TODAY.
MY SON STILL HAS PROBLEMS WITH WHAT HE SAW THAT NIGHT AND WE THOUGHT, OH, IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
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WE CAN GET OUR KID THROUGH COLLEGE WITH THIS APARTMENT.AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHOULD BE SAFE HOUSING, IT SHOULD BE SAFE FOR THE RESIDENTS, IT SHOULD BE SAFE FOR THEIR FRIENDS.
IT SHOULD BE SAFE FOR THE MAINTENANCE.
IT SHOULD BE SAFE FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS GOING IN TO FIGHT THAT FIRE AND TO SAVE PEOPLE.
THE BUILDING WE WERE IN WASN'T SAFE AND WE DIDN'T KNOW IT.
SO I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT YOUR RESIDENT'S SAFETY.
YES, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS GREAT, BUT IT'S ONLY GREAT IF IT SAVES LIVES.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I WOULD URGE, UM, THE STAFF AND THE COMMITTEE TO CHECK WITH CITY OF AUSTIN.
UM, BY FAR, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE ALWAYS PROGRESSIVE.
CINDY, PLEASE TURN YOUR CAMERA ON AS YOU'RE TALKING.
I WOULD URGE YOU, UM, TO CALL THE CITY OF AUSTIN.
IN FACT, WHEN I CALLED THEM YESTERDAY, UM, ONE OF THE, UH, THE PLAN REVIEWERS SAID, WELL, HAVE THEY CHECKED WITH SEATTLE? HAVE THEY CHECKED WITH MEMPHIS? AND HAVE THEY CHECKED WITH US BECAUSE THEY, THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE DOING DUE DILIGENCE.
THEY'RE CALLING AROUND TO SOME OF THE CITIES THAT ARE DOING SINGLE STAIRWAYS AND, AND OTHER CREATIVE, UH, AFFORDABLE BUILDING SOLUTIONS.
AND THEY SAID, PLEASE CALL, I CAN GIVE YOU SOME NUMBERS AND NAMES.
UM, AND THEY'LL TELL YOU WHAT THEY HAVE FOUND AS THE UPS AND DOWNS OF LOOKING AT A CONSOLIDATED DWELLING AND SINGLE STAIRWAY ORDINANCE.
UH, THE FIRE CHIEF ACTUALLY SAID HE WOULD NEED FIVE NEW AERIAL APPARATUS IN THE AREAS WHERE THESE KIND OF BUILDINGS WOULD BE BUILT.
AND SO THEY'RE NOT GOING FORWARD IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN WITH A SINGLE STAIRWELL ORDINANCE.
UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD URGE YOU TO LOOK AT WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING.
WE'RE ALL WORKING TOWARDS AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IS SAFE.
AND, UM, PLEASE CALL, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
AND, AND DJ? UH, YEAH, NEIL IS, UM, THE CASE MANAGER, BUT I DO WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT SINGLE STAIRCASE.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AUSTIN AND OTHER PEOPLE, OTHER CITY ALLOW A STAIRCASE UP TO SIX STORY WITH ONE SINGLE STAIRCASE.
UM, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TALKING, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE THAT PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE AT ALL.
WE DO NOT PROPOSE SINGLE STAIRCASE FOR UP TO SIX STORY, WHICH IS AUSTIN, UM, AND MEMPHIS OR THESE OTHER
WE DO NOT DISCUSS THAT AND WE DO NOT SUPPORT THAT AT THIS TIME.
UH, MY NAME IS CAMILLE MSW, SENIOR ARCHITECT HERE WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, ABOUT A EARLY, EARLY FEBRUARY, MID-FEBRUARY, THERE WAS A DRAFT PROPOSAL, UM, DEVELOPED, UM, BY STAFF AND, UH, PRESENTED TO VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS, UH, WITHIN THE CITY, UH, WITHIN THE CITY PROPER.
AND COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED ON, ON THIS, ON THIS ORDINANCE, AND, UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING, DEVELOPING IT SOME, SOME MORE.
I BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE, UM, THERE IS AN UP THERE, THERE ARE COMMENTS, UH, THAT WILL BE PRESENTED TODAY FROM, UM, THAT, UH, JARED I BELIEVE HAS SOME, SOME COMMENTS THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE CREATED HERE, A BOARD MEMBER THAT HE WILL GO THROUGH.
BUT, UM, BASICALLY THE ORDINANCES IN IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND, UM, WE, WE CAN TAKE QUESTIONS HERE THAT, UM, BEFORE WE GO, I THINK JUST MAKE SURE THIS, WE, WE DIDN'T SET IT OUT ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO TO THE BOARD MEMBERS AND WE HAVE A TASK FORCE AT THE SAME TIME WHO RELEASED THAT DRAFT?
SO WHAT WE HAVE IS DRAFT AND THEN AI, I REALLY APPRECIATE THEY TAKE THE TIME, THEY ACTUALLY INVITE THE STAFF TO GO AND TALK TO THEM AT ONE TIME AND THEN THEY WORK MUCH MORE TIMES, UH, TO DEVELOP, TO REFINE THAT DRAFT.
SO I THINK I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT'S, UH, THE, A PROPOSAL IS, UM, BASED ON, UH, THE ALREADY DRAFT WE PUT TOGETHER, I THINK, UM, YES.
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FROM IPC TO IRC, UM, WE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO MITIGATE THE RISK IN ANYTHING RELATED TO ESPECIALLY FAIR SAFETY, UM, IS VERY IMPORTANT.SO THERE IS A NUMBER OF WAYS COMMUNICATE THAT.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST DRAFT.
AND THEN
IS THIS THE ORIGINAL DRAFT OR HAS THIS BEEN REFINED AND CHANGED AFTER? I THINK THAT'S THE ORIGINAL.
THAT IS THE ORIGINAL DRAFT THAT, UM, YEAH.
AND THEN THIS ONE IS ONE, UH, WITH THIS ONE WRITTEN DRAFT, BUT IT'S BEEN CHANGED AND UP, LIKE YOU SAID YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH THE TASK FORCE.
DRAFT HAS BEEN CHANGED AND UPDATED.
WELL, THE DRAFT HAS BEEN, I MEAN WE STARTED WITH THAT DRAFT.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE HEAR ON THIS.
A I A I THINK IS TO BE FAIR TO THEM, SPEND SO MUCH TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THEIR COMMENTS ON THERE LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE MADE A NUMBER OF CHANGES.
SO WE ARE OPEN FOR SUGGESTION CHANGES TO MAKE SURE IT IS SAFE AND THEN EFFICIENT, UH, TO GET FROM IBC.
SO THIS IS WHAT YOU GUYS CAME UP WITH.
THE TOP OF IT SAYS DEFINITIONS, IS THAT RIGHT? YES.
THEN WHAT, SORRY, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE LOOKING AT, I DON'T SEE YOUR SKETCH IN THAT THEN THAT IS ANOTHER ONE THAT'S DRAFT QUALITATED CODE.
YEAH, I THINK THOSE ARE THE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ATTACHED THAT I WOULD FOLLOW THE LOGIC, OUR ORIGINAL DRAFT, WHICH WE RELEASED.
EVERYBODY FAMILIAR WITH THAT? AND THEN TALK ABOUT A I A'S DRAFT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT THE OTHER DRAFT HAVE NOT SEEN THAT.
BUT THIS IS OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO DISCUSS ALL OF THAT.
SO I WOULD SAY LOGICALLY S ORIGINAL ONE AND THEN WHATEVER COMMENT FROM A I A WILL GO NEXT POINT OF INFORMATION.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, UH, THERE'S A VERSION THAT I SENT TO THE BOARD MEMBERS LATE YESTERDAY OR MAYBE DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY.
SO YOU'LL HAVE THE, YOU HAVE THE DRAFT THAT CAMILLE, UH, SENT OUT AND YOU'LL HAVE JAREDS COMING FROM A I A, BUT THE, THE, THE, THE, THE DRAFT THAT I SENT OUT TO YOU INCLUDES, UH, IT ENCAPSULATES BOTH, UH, UH, THE BEST PARTS OF BOTH VERSIONS IN THERE.
JUST SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, THERE IS A, THERE IS A MORE UP TO DATE VERSION IN, IN MAILING ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF US, RIGHT? I, I SENT IT OUT TO EVERYBODY YESTERDAY.
WE, WE, WE MAY HAVE PRINTED IT OUT.
LET'S UH, FOLLOW THE LOGIC, THE ORIGINAL ONE, WHATEVER YOU BASE ON THAT, AND THEN WE CAN COME UP FOR THAT ONE.
I THINK THAT SEEMS TO BE FOLLOW THE ORIGINAL ONE.
AND THEN THIS ONE FROM THIS ONE HERE KIND OF FOLLOWS THE SAME RIGHT.
I THINK THAT'S VERY EASY FOLLOW RIGHT.
UM, BUT JARED FANGER, I'M AN ARCHITECT.
UH, MAI, UH, THIS HIGHLIGHTED DOCUMENT I WOULD SEE, I KNOW.
WAS THIS YOU OR JUST YOUR THAT'S SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION THAT WAS SENT OUT PREVIOUSLY.
I WOULD LOOK AT THIS IF YOU WERE A CODE STUDY, IF IDENTIFYING
UM, SO JUST TO START FROM OUR MEETING IN JANUARY, UM, THIS IS WHAT, UM, THIS IS CONCEPTUALLY WHAT I THOUGHT WAS ONE COULD BE BUILT, UH, THIS IS WHAT I HAD SKETCHED BY HAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TABLE, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY FOUR DUPLEXES.
THAT COULD BE SIDE BY SIDE OR TOP AND BOTTOM.
I'M, FOR THIS EXAMPLE, I'M SHOWING TOP AND BOTTOM.
SO YOU HAVE A DUPLEX ON THE FIRST FLOOR, HAVE ANOTHER UNIT ON THE SECOND FLOOR ACCESS BY THIS PRIVATE STAIR.
WE COULD ESSENTIALLY TWO SAW TWO STORY BUILDING.
IT ESSENTIALLY PUT FIREWALLS AND YOU COULD CREATE AN PLEX, UM, REALLY FOLLOWING THE IRC
'CAUSE ALL YOU'RE DOING IS STATING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO INSERT A FIREWALL, WHICH MEANS ANYTHING ON THE OTHER
SO EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT A FIREWALL IS.
UM, TYPICALLY IN THE WAY DALLAS SETS THEM IN TO CODE.
UM, IT CAN BE A YEAH FIREWALL.
UH, A FIRE IS INTENDED TO BE ABLE TO HAPPEN ON ONE SIDE OF THAT FIREWALL, COMPLETELY COMPROMISE AND COLLAPSE THE STRUCTURE.
I ALSO LIKE TO ASK, DOES THIS INCLUDING JUST HORIZONTAL OR ALSO INCLUDING, SO IF THERE, IF THERE WERE NOT STAIRS, THE FIREWALL, IS THAT GONNA BE BOTH WORK BETWEEN THE FLOORS? BETWEEN THE FLOOR.
SO UNDER THE, UNDER THE BASE IRC, NOT EVEN WHAT CITY OF DALLAS HAS ADOPTED, YOU CAN BUILD A DUPLEX WITH RIGHT NOW THE DATE WHICH
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SO THIS WOULD INTRODUCE SPRINKLERS.UM, ONCE I LEARNED OF THE TASK FORCE THAT THE SEA OF DALLAS WAS WORKING WITH AI IN DALLAS, UM, I ATTENDED ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS AND I LEARNED THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WAS BEING CONSIDERED.
THIS WOULD BE A THREE STORY BUILDING WHERE THE FIRST FIRST FLOOR IS PARKING.
YOUR SECOND FLOOR WOULD THEN LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS WITH FOUR UNITS, AND THEN YOU HAVE A STAIR GOING TO A THIRD FLOOR WITH FOUR MORE UNITS.
SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS NOT WHAT I HAD IN MIND WHEN I THAT WOULD GO LAST.
WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS, SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT DISTINCTION.
UM, YOU COULD ALLOW AN PLEX WITH FIREWALLS OR YOU COULD ALLOW AN PLEX OVER A PARKING GARAGE, WHICH I WOULD FOR CONVERSATION PERSON PURPOSES CALL IT A, YOU KNOW, A SMALL APARTMENT.
UM, I JUST WANT THE COMMITTEE TO BE AWARE OF THE, THIS IS THE BUILDING TYPE THAT PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO BUILD UNDER THE IRC.
JUST SO THAT CLEAR TO EVERYONE.
WE LOOK AT THIS, THIS IS LIKE THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
WHAT IS THIS? WHAT IS THE SCARIEST BUILDING YOU COULD BUILD UNDER THIS? THIS WOULD, UH, SO THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH ARE, OR WHAT A GROUP OF ARCHITECTS VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE IN THE CODE BE OKAY WITH SUPPORTING THE BUILDING.
GO BACK TO YOU HAVE PARKING BOTTOM SECOND, SO PARKING BOTTOM AND THEN FOUR UNITS.
FOUR UNITS, UH, DAVID SECTION ASSISTANT BILLING OFFICIAL, JUST FOR THE RECORD THAT THAT SECOND PROPOSAL WITH THE PARKING DRAWING UNDERNEATH, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE IN THE STAFF HAS THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO ANYBODY, BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT PROPOSAL.
YEAH, THIS WAS JUST DISCUSSED IN OUR A I A MEETING.
THIS COULD BE THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
SO WHEN WE, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WORST CASE SCENARIO, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT, UH, WHAT THE INCREASED RISKS ARE? BECAUSE I MEAN, I, I DON'T LIKE SEE HOW ONE IS, UH, BESIDES LIKE EVERYBODY HAVING TO SHARE STAIRWELL, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW THAT INCREASES THE RISK VERSUS EVERYBODY LIKE HAVING A PRIVATE STAIR.
YEAH, JUST, UM, I'LL ANSWER THAT AS BEST I CAN.
SO IN, IN THIS MODEL, ONLY ONE, ONLY ONE FAMILY IS USING THEIR PRIVATE STAIR TO GATHER BUILT.
AND IT'S ONLY A TWO STORY BUILDING HERE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW THREE STORIES, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COMMUNAL MEANS OF EGRESS AND IT'S STILL A SINGLE.
SO THE RISK IS YOU HAVE A FIRE ON THE LANDING ON THE FIRST OR SECOND FLOOR PE ANYONE ABOVE THAT CANNOT GET OUT UNLESS THEY'RE GOING UP THE WINDOW.
UM, I'LL GET INTO IT, BUT SINGLE MEANS OF EGRESSES ARE ALLOWED UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES IN THE IBC.
SO SOMETHING LIKE THIS WAS BEING PROPOSED IS BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW UNDER THE IBC.
IT'S JUST NOT BEING BUILT UNDER THE IRC.
SO BY BEING BUILT UNDER THE IBC ASPIRE WRINKLE YES, UH, HAS, HAS WIDER STAIRS THAN THE IRC REQUIRES.
UM, THOSE ARE TWO BIG ITEMS. OKAY.
AS FAR AS SEPARATION, LET'S LOOK AT THE LOWER LEFT HAND UNIT.
SECOND LEVEL, IS THAT SEPARATED FROM EACH OF THE ADJACENT UNITS? IS THAT STILL A EACH AND IT'S A, UM, MINOR WALL, NOT A FIREWALL.
IT WOULD BE A FIRE, FIRE ION OR FIRE BARRIER FOLLOWING IBCS DEFINITION.
IT'S FIRE RESISTANCE OR CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT IS NOT A FIREWALL.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A SUBSTRUCTURE.
UM, BUT THAT IS HOW, THAT IS HOW A, A BUILDING LIKE THIS WOULD BE BUILT UNDER THE IBC.
IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE FIREWALLS, IT'S JUST FIRE RESISTANCE RATED CONSTRUCTION.
BUT IT'D BE SPRINKLER, BUT IT WOULD BE SPRINKLER.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I JUMP INTO THE RECOMMENDATIONS? HOW DID YOU PROTECT THE, THE FLOOR, UH, ON YOUR PROPOSED FOR EACH WHERE IT LOOKED LIKE YOU HAD LIKE A CONCRETE LOG GOING ALL THE WAY UP YOUR FIREWALL, YOU'RE TWO HOUR RATED, SO PROTECT ONE ABOVE THE OTHER.
SO YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A ONE HOUR FIRE RATE OF FLOOR CEILING ASSEMBLY BETWEEN OH, OKAY.
UM, WHICH IS, I, THERE'S MULTIPLE YIELD LISTED WAYS TO GET THERE, BUT IT'S SIM THE MOST COMMON WAY WOULD BE TO DO RE OVER PLYWOOD.
YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR TRUSS OR STRUCTURAL SYSTEM AND YOU
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HAVE A LAYER OF TYPE X OR TYPE C DRY WALL OF THAT AND THAT GETS LIKE THAT SIMILAR TO THAT WOULD GET YOUR ONE HOUR CAR RATE, BUT IT'S REALLY JUST THE TWO UNITS THAT YOU SEPARATE NOT.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I JUMP IN MEETING? SO THE APPROACH TAKEN IS TO INCLUDE ANYTHING THAT'S ALREADY IN THE IRC AND THE SEAT OF DALLAS AMENDMENTS.
HOW CAN WE MAKE THE MAKE A SAFE BUILDING WITHOUT BRINGING IN ALL OF THE IBC LANGUAGE AND REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO TO SAY THAT JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM, WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE ASSEMBLIES AND BY RATINGS DESIGNS THAT THE CITY ALREADY ALLOWS AND JUST ALLOW THAT TO BE APPLIED TO, YOU KNOW, UP TO EIGHT UNITS.
SOME OF THAT IS TAKING TOWN HOME REQUIREMENTS AND APPLYING THAT TO THIS, I'M GONNA CALL IT A
SO FROM SLAB ALL THE WAY UP TO THE ROOF DECK.
THEY'RE COMPARTMENTALIZED UNDER THE CURRENT IRC.
YOU COULD BUILD AS MANY OF THOSE AS YOU WANT.
IRC DOESN'T LIMIT YOU TO EIGHT ON A LOT OR 20 ON A LOT.
YOU COULD BUILD A THOUSAND OF THESE IN, IN A ROW IF YOU HAD TO LAND TO DO IT.
UM, WE'RE NOT GOING TO THAT EXTENT, BUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS YOU CAN TAKE A TOWN HOME, COMPARTMENTALIZE IT, AND YOU CAN STACK ONE ON TOP OF THE OTHER AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THE APPROPRIATE FIRE RATED CONSTRUCTION BETWEEN.
UM, THAT'S THE KEY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONSOLIDATED DWELLING UNITS AND TOWN HOMES IS THAT WE'RE STACKING ONE ON TOP OF THE OTHER.
UM, SO I'LL JUMP INTO THE, I'LL JUST JUMP INTO THE DOCUMENT.
I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH IT, UM, JUST A LINE AT A TIME JUST TO MAKE IT EASY.
BUT IF AT SOME POINT SOMEONE WANTS ME, ANYONE ASKS A QUESTION AND I NEED TO JUMP BACK AND FORTH.
UM, SO TO START OFF WITH THIS DEFINITION OF BUILDING, OH, WELL, LEMME SAY ONE THING.
EVERYTHING THAT'S IN BLACK TEXT ON THIS IS ALREADY IN THE IRC BASE CODE OR IT'S ALREADY IN THE DALLAS.
EVERYTHING IN RED IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE.
EVERYTHING IN BLUE IS GONNA BE A TALKING POINT.
UM, SO, UH, IT'S OUR, IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THERE'S A TYPO IN THE DEFINITION OF BUILDING.
UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT WORD WAS USED BEFORE.
IT SAYS APPLICANT WE'RE JUST PROPOSING CHANGE THE WORD APPLICANT.
UM, MARSHAL DWELLING SITE THAT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN AS RARE, MORE DWELLINGS ON A LOT, WE ARE ADDING THE LANGUAGE FOR NINE OR MORE CONSOLIDATED DRILLING UNITS ON A LOT, UM, AND DOES NOT INCLUDE TOWN HOMES.
UM, WE'RE THE ADDING THE LANGUAGE NOT TO INCLUDE TOWN HOMES IS JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.
UM, CONSOLIDATED DWELLING WE'RE STATING IS ANY, ANY BUILDING CONTAINS UP TO A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT CONSOLIDATED DWELLING.
UM, THIS LANGUAGE IS A LITTLE LENGTHY, BUT I'M JUST GONNA SAY IT.
IT SAYS, USED INTENDED OR DESIGNED TO BE USED, RENTED LEASE, LET OR HIRED OUT TO BE OCCUPIED.
WE ARE ADDING, OR THAT ARE OCCUPIED FOR LIVING LIVING PURPOSES.
THE REASON FOR ADDING THAT ARE OCCUPIED IS WE ARE INCLUDING, WE'RE NOT SAYING IT'S JUST INTENDED TO BE O OCCUPIED OR IT'S THOUGHT ABOUT BEING OCCUPIED.
IT IS ACTUALLY OCCUPIED, THEREFORE IT APPLIES.
UM, A CONSOLIDATED DWELLING UNIT IS, SHOULD BE LIMITED TO 10,500 SQUARE FEET.
40 FEET IN HEIGHT, OR SORRY, THREE STORIES.
WELL, THREE STORIES IN 40 FEET IN HEIGHT.
WE'RE CLARIFYING ABOVE GRADE PLAN.
UM, SO IF SOMEONE WANTED, WELL ANYHOW, WE'RE JUST CLARIFYING ABOVE GRADE PLAN, UH, NO MORE THAN FOUR DWELLING UNITS PER FLOOR.
IF THE STORY IS, IS ABOVE OR BELOW THE LEVEL OF EXIT DISCHARGE, THE REASON FOR THAT LANGUAGE IS THAT WOULD ALLOW SOMEONE TO PUT SIX UNITS ON THE FIRST FLOOR, TWO UNITS ON THE SECOND FLOOR IF THEY WANTED.
UH, WE DID WANT TO LIMIT AN ARCHITECT OR, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPER TO FOUR UNITS ON THE GROUND FLOOR BECAUSE WE SO SEE NO INCREASE IN LIFE SAFETY OR HAZARDS BY PUTTING MORE UNITS ON THE GROUND.
UM, WE THEN CREATED A NEW DEFINITION FOR CONSOLIDATED DEVELOPING UNIT JUST SO THAT IT'S SPECIFICALLY NOT INCLUDED IN THE DEFINITION OF DWELLING
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UNIT THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN THE CODE.UH, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO APPLY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS TO CONSOLIDATED DWELLING UNITS.
SO, UM, A CONSOLIDATED DWELLING UNIT IS GONNA BE A SINGLE UNIT LOCATED IN A CONSOLIDATED DWELLING BUILDING PROVIDING COMPLETE INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITIES FOR ONE OR MORE PERSONS, INCLUDING PERMANENT PROVISIONS FOR LIVING, SLEEPING, EATING, COOKING, SANITATION.
AND THAT'S NOT A NEW DEFINITION, IT'S JUST BEING BROUGHT OVER FROM OTHER, OTHER ADOPTED CODES AS THEY'RE WRITTEN.
UM, IN THE ORIGINAL DRAFT THERE WAS LANGUAGE AROUND PRESSURIZED STAIRS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
WE'VE PROPOSED TO REMOVE THAT LANGUAGE.
UM, JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO APPLY IT, IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S NECESSARY TO BE BROUGHT UP IN IBC.
UM, THE, THE REMAINDER OF THE DEFINITIONS THAT ARE IN THE DRAFT, WHICH ARE LISTED HERE, CAN APPLY TO THIS BUILDING.
SO WE'RE, AND WE'RE OKAY WITH THOSE DEFINITIONS AS THEY WERE PRESENTED.
WE ASK SOME QUESTIONS NOW OR WHEN GO AHEAD.
YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD ASK AS WE GO THE, ON THE CONSOLIDATED DWELLING TO CLARIFY THE ABOVE GRADE PLANE, IS THAT BECAUSE THERE'S MAYBE QUESTION ABOUT SOMETHING BELOW GRADE? YES.
SAY SOMEONE WANTS TO ACTUALLY BASE, UH, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT SOMEONE GOING 40 FEET IN THE AIR AND THEN 20 FEET IN THE FRONT.
WELL, ACTUALLY WE ARE ALLOWING IT.
WE'RE SAYING FROM GRAY PLAIN, YOU CAN GO UP 40 FEET.
SO THE BUT THE UNITS NUMBER OF UNITS RESTRICTED.
DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IF SOMEONE CHOSE TO BUILD A BASIN LEVEL, WE DIDN'T WANT TO RESTRICT THE HIGH QUALITY MEASURE OF THE BASIN, BUT WE'RE JUST CLARIFYING MAXIMUM IS EIGHT FROM GRADE.
I IT LOOKED LIKE THE ORDERS DRAFT CAP 7,500 SQUARE, I THINK THIS ONE IS 2,500.
YOU EXPLAIN THE LOGIC IN THAT.
YEAH, SO A STANDARD, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING APARTMENT DESIGN, RIGHT, A STANDARD TWO BED, TWO BATH, KITCHEN, LIVING DINING WALK-IN CLOSET, THAT TYPE OF UNIT ROUGHLY FITS IN A 30 BY 30 SQUARE.
YOU DO 900 TIMES A, SO THE 7,200 SQUARE FEET.
SO 7,500 WAS ORIGINALLY SUGGESTED.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT EXISTING IRC.
YOU CAN BUILD 7,500 SQUARE FEET WITHOUT, WITHOUT SPRINKLING AT ALL.
UM, IF YOU WERE GOING TO TRY TO TAKE FOUR OF THESE UNITS AS THIS EXAMPLE SHOWS FOUR ON THE FOUR ON THE THIRD FLOOR, FOUR ON THE SECOND FLOOR, WE TUCK INTO GARAGES, YOU WOULD HAVE TO SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE U UNITS BECAUSE YOU'RE BUILDING THE, THE PARKING GARAGE UNIT.
SO THE LOGIC WAS LET'S GIVE THEM ANOTHER 3000 SQUARE FEET TO BUILD THAT PARKING GARAGE SO THAT WE CAN STILL KEEP A TWO BED, TWO BATH UNITS.
OTHERWISE WE'RE POTENTIALLY ENDING UP WITH, BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING STRUCTURED PARKING UNDERNEATH, WE'RE ELIMINATING THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS WE CAN HAVE.
WHICH IF, IF THE MOTIVATION IS TO CREATE DENSITY AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE THINK WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE TWO BED, TWO BATHS.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF STUDIO APARTMENTS OVER PARKING BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T SERVE, UH, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONAL TWO PARENT HOUSEHOLD.
MAYBE WE'LL GET THERE, BUT IS THE GOAL TO, I'M SURE IT IS IN HERE, BUT THE INTENTION TO HAVE FIRE SPRINKLERS OR NOT HAVE FIRE SPRINKLERS? YEAH.
SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND TELL YOU, BUT, BUT I'LL GIVE INTO EXACT LANGUAGE AND WHY.
SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA STATE IN HERE IS IF YOU'RE 7,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS, YOU STILL DON'T NEED TO SPRINKLE AS SOON AS YOU ATTACH OR AS SOON AS YOU PROVIDE PARKING ABOVE OR BELOW A DWELLING UNIT, THE ENTIRE BUILDING HAS TO BE SPRINKLED AS YOU EXCEED 7,500 SQUARE FEET.
THE BUILDING HAS TO BE SPRINKLED.
OKAY? SO WE'RE, WE'RE ALLOWING FOR THIS BUILDING TYPE, BUT IT WILL HAVE TO BE SPRINKLED AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING A 13 D SYSTEM
SO THE, THE 10,500 HERE THEN IS DIFFERENT THAN 7,500 SOMEWHERE ELSE IN HERE.
UM, WE'RE, SO THIS IS JUST DEFINING A CONSOLIDATED DRILLING UNIT COULD NEVER EVEN EXCEED 10,500.
IF IT DOES, THEN YOU ARE, THEN IT GOES TO I DWELL.
SO WE WENT THREE BEDROOM, THREE BATH.
IF YOU REALLY GOT BIG WITH IT, YOU DIP OVER THAT YOU, THEN YOU GO TO IBC.
AND JARED JUST, UH, UH, INFORMATION, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS NOW, BUT AT SOME POINT, UH, IN YOUR PRESENTATION, I WOULD LIKE A FURTHER EXPLANATION AND I, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD WANT AS WELL, BECAUSE I DON'T, FROM A CODE STANDPOINT, I DON'T SEE A 13 D WORKING FOR THIS.
THE, WHICH ONE WAS IT THAT YOU SAID? 13 B GO AHEAD.
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YEAH.IF YOU EXCEED 7,500 SQUARE FEET OR IF YOU HAVE PARKING ABOVE OR BELOW DWELLING, YEAH.
WHAT WOULD THE, THE ORIGINAL GOAL IS UNDER 7.5 HUNDRED.
THE REASON WE ARE, THE REASON I'M, UM, CLARIFYING PARKING ABOVE OR BELOW A DWELLING UNIT IS BECAUSE IF YOU WANTED TO BUILD, IF YOU WANTED TO BUILD A, THE BUILDING AND HAVE ATTACHED PARKING, SAY OVER HERE TO THE SIDE, RIGHT? WE, WE'VE SEE NO NEED TO SPRINKLE THE ENTIRE BUILDING JUST TO THE GARAGES ARE BECAUSE EVEN UNDER THE IBP RIGHT NOW COMPENSATE THAT WAY, IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE A ONE HOUR FIRE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE UNITS.
IF THAT'S JUST A HORIZONTAL OPERATION, WE DIDN'T FEEL THE NEED TO SPRINKLE IN.
SO REGARDLESS, UH, 7,500 AND ABOVE YOU NEED SPRINKLE.
IT'S JUST INSTEAD OF I RECEIVED THE IR, BUT SPRINKLE, IT'S SO SPRINKLE.
SO THE KEY WAS IF WE KEPT, IF WE KEPT THE MAXIMUM BUILDING SIZE AT 7,500 WITH TUCK UNDER PARKING, YOU COULDN'T GET A, WHAT I'M GONNA CALL FULL SIZE UNITS.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO, YOU WOULD HAVE TO START PRODUCING A LOT OF STUDIOS.
AND WE SAW THAT AS NOT BEING CONDUCIVE TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR FAMILIES.
SO WE INCREASED THE AMOUNT JUST BY WE INCREASED, WE ADDED 3000 SQUARE FEET SO THAT WE COULD THE YOU WERE TALKING REPORT.
WELL YOU WILL GET INTO THE 13 D UNIT.
ARE WE 13 D TYPE IN THIS OR WE TALKING ABOUT YEAH, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND SO 13 D RIGHT NOW.
SO IT IS I YEAH, THAT'S WHAT IVC REQUIRES.
13 R IS WHAT IBC REQUIRES, CORRECT.
13 R ORDER, BUT IT'S A 13 R 13 D UNDER R THREE UNDER R THREE, BUT 13 R IS MORE OF A COMMERCIAL TYPE SYSTEM.
IT'S DO YOU REQUIRE LIKE A, A RISER? LIKE A RISER ROOM? IT'S 13 R IS A RESIDENTIAL SYSTEM, BUT IT'S A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING UNDER THE IC RIGHT.
BUT IT'S NOT AS, THERE'S ANOTHER SIMPLER SYSTEM.
THE 13 R IS A LESS YEAH, IT'S A LESS EXPEND SYSTEM.
THE IRC RIGHT NOW REQUIRES THAT 13 B ON HOMES, DUPLEXES AND TOWN HOMES THAT EXCEED SEVEN 13.
WHAT ABOUT THE MULTIPURPOSE FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEM? I ASSUMING THAT THESE ARE ALL SEPARATELY WATER METER, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
CODE ALL PRODUCTS IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME TO PASS BY WAY OF
I HAD THE FIRST TIME IN THE CITY OF DALLAS PERMITTED IT WAS MY HOUSE THAT HAD THAT MULTIPURPOSE HEART.
IT IS A PEOPLE THAN DOING A STANDALONE SYSTEM THAT YOU HAVE TO, IF THIS ONE, SOMEONE DESCRIBED IT TO ME, IT'S AN AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEM, BUT THE HOMEOWNER CAN TURN THE VALVE OFF IF THEY NEED TO.
YOU CAN DO THE SAME WITH THE COURSE, BUT NO, YOU CANNOT TURN OFF THE SYSTEM AND MAKE CHANGES WITHOUT FIRST GOING THROUGH A A LOT OF RIGOROUS, OKAY.
SO MY WHOLE OWNING POINT WAS IF THESE ARE SEPARATELY, UH, UH, METERED WATER METERED, UH, UNIT, THEN A PURPOSE SYSTEM MIGHT BE A GOOD CHOICE.
I'M JUST NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO WELL, THE MULTIPURPOSE SYSTEM AS JOE AS ALLUDES TO THE MULTIPURPOSE SYSTEM IS, IS BY STATE LAW ALLOWED TO BE INSTALLED BY PLUMBERS.
AND ONE, ONE IMPORTANT FACTOR TO KEEP IN MIND ON THE MULTIPURPOSE SYSTEM IS A LICENSED, YOU HAVE TO BE LICENSED FOR LICENSED.
BUT IT DOES NOT REQUIRE THE SAME TYPE OF MAINTENANCE AND, AND UPKEEP THAT IS REQUIRED BY THE NFPA 13 SYSTEMS. AND THAT'S A GOOD THING BECAUSE FIRST OFF, IF YOU'RE USING, FOR EXAMPLE, AN OPEN OR TYPE OF TITAN SYSTEM THAT'S PASSING THROUGH AND IT'S BEEN SIZED PROPERLY, ASSUMING ALL OF THIS, THEN YOU'RE RIGHT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO FLUSH THE SYSTEM EVERY YEAR.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT THE BACKFLOW PREVENTER DEVICE AND HAVE IT CHECKED EVERY YEAR.
NONE OF THIS HAS TO TAKE PLACE BECAUSE IF YOUR FAUCETS ARE WORKING, THEN YOUR FIRE PROTECTION IS WORKING.
THAT'S WHY IT'S, IT'S, SO I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
SO, MULTIPURPOSE SYSTEM IS MEANING YOU'RE
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USING BOTH YOUR DOMESTIC WATER AS WELL AS IT'S PROTECTING YOU AND SO MUCH OF YOUR FIRE SYSTEM.SO, BUT IT'S LESS SIGNIFICANT? LESS SIGNIFICANT? NO, NO.
WE'RE TALKING LIFE SAFETY, SO NO, NO, NO.
I'M SAYING THE MULTI-SYSTEM PURPOSE, MULTI-PURPOSE REFERRING TO, IS IT LESS SUBSTANTIAL THAN A 13 D? NOT AT ALL.
IT IS JUST NOT A STANDALONE SYSTEM.
SO DOES THIS DOUBLE YOUR DOMESTIC WATER PIPES AS YOUR FIRE SPRINKLER PIPE IN THAT NECESSARILY, UH, IT DOES INCREASE THE SIZE.
YOU DO HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR ROOM SIZE AND SO FORTH.
HEAD 13 D IS WHAT IS NOW REQUIRED FOR TOWNHOUSES.
NOT ONLY THE COST TO MAINTAIN STANDALONE THE SYSTEM, WHICH IF YOU'RE DOING, IF WE'RE DOING REHOUSING, WE WANT TO BE AS PRUDENT AS POSSIBLE.
THE OTHER PART OF THE STORY IS, AS A PLUMBER, OR I KNOW IT WAS DURING FREEZE BREAKS OR BLACKOUTS IN THE WINTER, OR ANY OF THOSE TYPE OF SITUATIONS, PRIMARY PRODUCTS THAT FROZE AND BROKE AND FLOODED AND DID ALL THE DAMAGE WERE ACTUALLY, AS IT TURNS OUT, FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEM, STANDALONE FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEMS. SO ALL I WOULD BE PROPOSING IS THAT WE OUGHT TO THINK ABOUT INTRODUCING THE MULTIPURPOSE SYSTEM.
AND YES, I, I HAVE AN ENGINEER SEAL FOR THAT SYSTEM AND THE STATE OF TEXAS, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
I JUST THINK IT IS A, IT'S A WISER ROUTE TO GO.
SO IS A 13 D SYSTEM REQUIRED TO HAVE ITS OWN SUPPLY RIGHT NOW AND NOT BE MULTI THE SYSTEM? I'M REFERENCING? NO, BUT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT.
NO, YOU CAN, YOU CAN BRING IN A WATER FOR THE STANDALONE SYSTEM AND THEN SPLIT IT OFF AT THE HOUSE, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, FEED IT TO A, UH, REDUCED BACKFLOW PREVENTION SYSTEM THAT SEPARATES IT SO YOUR DOMESTIC WATER DOESN'T GET CONTAMINATED, STAGNANT WATER BACK INTO IT.
SO YES, YOU CAN USE THE SAME SUPPLY, BUT IT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN DOING IT, AND YOU CAN'T HAVE A CUTOFF PRIOR TO THAT.
UM, I THINK WE'RE ON PACE TOO.
YEAH, I WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT, BUT LET ME GO THROUGH THE STUDY AGAIN.
NO, THAT'S THE TIME I WRITE UP.
UM, SO THE LOGIC OF THE 13 B RIGHT NOW, IF YOU BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY,
THE, THE, THE ORIGINAL DRAFT FROM THE CITY SAYS 13 R.
WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO 13 R, BUT OUR LOGIC WAS IF THE CITY THINKS IT'S OKAY FOR SINGLE FAMILY, TWO FAMILY AND INFINITE NUMBER OF TOWN HOMES, WE THINK THAT LOGIC APPLIES.
THEN THE 13 R ALSO REQUIRES AN ALARM SYSTEM, RIGHT.
UH, ALARM SYSTEM FOR, WE WOULD TALK ABOUT THAT FOR, WELL, THAT, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED.
I THINK AT ONE TIME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FIVE TO EIGHT UNITS, MAYBE ADDING ALARM SYSTEM BEFORE AND ENTER DO NOT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING CAN BE CONSIDERED AS PART THE PACKAGE.
I'M, I'M NOT THE POINT OF INFORMATION.
I'M NOT SURE THAT'S WHAT HIS QUESTION WAS.
UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SUPERVISORY REQUIREMENT FOR AN ALARM SYSTEM AS OPPOSED TO YEAH.
HEY, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, WE JUST LOST SOMEBODY HERE.
SO LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS IF ANYBODY ELSE NEEDS TO GRAB SOME MORE TO EAT OR GO TO BATHROOM.
PROBABLY NEED TO GET BACK ON THIS.
CASE 13, JUST LESS STRICT REQUIREMENTS OF ME.
SORRY, WE SAY WE'RE TAKING A FIVE MINUTE RECESS.
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CATCH THAT DOOR PLEASE.ARE WE RECORDING? ALRIGHT, SO DAVID WILL BE BACK IN, IN A MINUTE IF WE WANNA PICK UP.
EVERYBODY COULD, I HAD, UH, MENTIONED TO JARED PROBABLY SOUNDS LIKE THE QUESTIONS WE'RE GETTING THERE.
DON'T HAVE TO GO OVER ALL THE STUFF THAT'S THERE.
HIT THE RED COMMENT AND I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSE, SO THANK YOU.
SO, UM, STARTING WITH SOUND RATINGS RIGHT NOW, THE CITY HAS ADOPTED WHAT THEY CALL THE APPENDIX K MM-HMM
UM, THAT SHOULD REALLY READ AK.
SO THERE'S A, AT, AT THE END OF THE SOUND RATING TRANSMISSION SECTION THAT'S JUST RECOMMENDED.
IT'S JUST CLARIFICATION, TENIX.
K AS THE CITY ADOPTED INDEPENDENT, AK UH, WE JUST ADDED THE DEPTH WORDING.
A CONSOLIDATED DRILLING UNIT OR A PUBLIC SPACE TO THIS DEFINITION.
THE, THE PUBLIC SPACE, UM, IS INTENDED TO BE CORRIDOR OR IF THERE'S ANY OTHER PUBLIC AREA OF ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE CALLING THIS PUBLIC SPACE MM-HMM
IT'S NOT PRIVATE TO ANY RESIDENT OR A DOORS, HALLWAYS.
AND WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CLEARLY SAY IS YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A SOUND RATING REQUIREMENT BETWEEN UNITS MM-HMM
AS WELL AS BETWEEN THE UNIT AND THE CORRIDOR.
BUT THAT GROUP WITHIN THE CITY TOO, RIGHT? YES.
I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY EFFECT ON FIRE SAFETY OR ANYTHING.
SO AK 1 0 2 0.1, AK 1 0 3 0.1, I LISTED THOSE HERE.
SO EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEING REQUIRED.
THESE TALKED ABOUT AIRBORNE AND STRUCTURE BORNE SOUND.
THIS WILL BE TO THE WALL OR THE FLOOR CEILING.
WE ARE NOT CHANGING THOSE DEFINITIONS AT ALL.
THEY CAN REMAIN IN THE IC AS IT CURRENTLY ADOPTED.
WILLIE FRANKLIN, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.
I JUST LEARNED THAT I CAN MAKE COMMENTS.
SO EXCUSE ME,
WHEN YOU WERE SHOWING THESE, THE UNITS, THE FLOOR PLAN.
SO FOR A RESIDENTIAL PERSPECTIVE, IF THOSE UNITS ARE ALL SINGLE FAMILY, THEN IT, IT CAN'T BE SOMEONE HAS TO MAINTAIN THE PUBLIC SPACE.
AND IF THAT'S A SINGLE FAMILY UNIT, THEN WHO WOULD MAINTAIN THAT PUBLIC SPACE? WELL, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT AT THIS AS A CONDO.
THIS IS FOR RELEASE SELL, CORRECT? WELL, IT COULD BE.
YEAH, IT COULD BE A, YEAH, I MEAN THE, YEAH, I COULD BUY IT AND LEASE IT OUT OR I CAN BUY IT AND I CAN OWN IT FOR MY FAMILY.
SO IF IT'S A PUBLIC SPACE, DOES THAT MEAN IT HAS TO BE A, SOME TYPE OF THIRD PARTY MANAGING SYSTEM, WHICH NOW YEAH, BC SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CONDO, THERE WOULD BE AN HLA DIRECTOR THAT, BUT THIS IS, THESE ARE ALL USER INSIDE, LET'S SEE, USE
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT INTENDED TO DESIGN FOR SALE FOR INDIVIDUAL SALES.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT SOMEONE COULD DO IT.
THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE WROTE ARE ASSUMED VISITS.
SO EVEN IT OWN OCCUPY, YOU HAVE A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION
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THAT YOUR WOULD TAKE CARE ID NOT, I SEE A REQUIREMENT AND, AND IF I'M MISUNDERSTANDING THIS, SOMEONE, SOMEONE PLEASE DO CORRECT ME.YOU'RE SAYING SOME OF THESE UNDER IBC FOR THAT? WELL, I'M SAYING AT, AT THE POINT THAT THESE ARE INDIVIDUALLY SOLD AND IT IS NOW COMMON SPACE OR PUBLIC SPACE WHO IS MAINTAINED.
BUT THE CITY CANNOT ORDER A PRIVATE FEE OR A PRIVATE HOA THAT'S A, THAT'S A PRIVATE MATTER.
YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN DO IT ONLINE.
YEAH, WE PROBABLY CAN LOOK AT IT AFTERWARDS.
UM, SO TAKING THE, THE DEF TAKING THE DRAFT DEFINITIONS OR TAKING THE DRAFT RECOMMENDATION FOR MODIFYING SECTION R 3 0 2 0.3, THE DRAFT STATED IT'S GOING TO DELETE SECTION 3 0 2 POINT 0.3 ENTIRETY AND REPLACE IT THROUGH THE LANGUAGE.
WE ARE, WE ARE TAKING AN OPPOSITE APPROACH TO THAT.
WE'RE SAYING KEEP IT AS WRITTEN, ADD CONSOLIDATED DRILLING UNITS TO THE TITLE, WHICH IS THIS HERE, CLARIFY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS SECTION AND IT EXCEPT APPLY ONLY TO TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS.
THAT'S WHY WE ADD THIS LANGUAGE AND A TWO FAMILY DWELLING.
THEN WE'RE CREATING A NEW PARAGRAPH FOR SETS OF PARAGRAPHS, WHICH IS THESE THREE, WHICH ADDRESS CONSOLIDATED DWELLINGS.
AND THE INTENT OF THIS IS JUST TO TRY TO MODIFY THE CODE AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE TO CREATE A LESS INFUSION AS POSSIBLE.
THOSE ARE NEW THAT YOU GUYS WROTE.
UM, BUT LIKE, YOU DON'T SEE THIS ALL IN RED.
SO YOU'RE ONLY SEEING WHAT WE CHANGED FROM THE DEFINITION OF TWO FAMILY DWELLING, THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO FAMILY DWELLING AND A SOLID DATA DWELLING'S, JUST WHAT'S IN RED.
SO WE'RE ADDING CONSOLIDATED DWELLING FOR CLARIFICATION.
WE'RE STATING THAT THE RATED ASSEMBLIES NEED TO GO TO THE INTERIOR SIDE OF EXTERIOR SHEETING OR TO THE ROOF REPORT ACT.
WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE STOPPING THEIR FIRE RATING AT THE INSIDE OF AC STU.
ESSENTIALLY, WE WANT IT TO GO AS CLOSE TO THE OUTSIDE BUILDING AS WE CAN.
WE ALSO DON'T WANNA STOPPING AT THE CEILING.
WE WANT IT TO GO TO THE ROOF DECK, BUT WE'RE STATING FLOOR DECK AND CONSOLIDATED DWELLING.
BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A UNIT OVER A UNIT AND THE UNIT ABOVE, IF YOU HAVE THE SAME FOOTPRINT UNIT BELOW, IT MIGHT NEED TO STOP AT THE FLOOR CEILING ASSEMBLY.
BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T WANNA STOP AT THE CEILING BOTTOM OF THE TRUSS.
WE WANNA GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE DECK.
IT IS FOR SOUND AND FIRE REASONS, DRAFT STOPPING REASONS.
IT'S JUST BETTER CONSTRUCTION.
UM, IN CONVERSATION, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION OF IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW AN PLEX WITHOUT A FIRE SPRINKLER, LET'S CREATE TWO OUT FIRE RATE OF ASSEMBLIES.
AFTER, AFTER SHE DIVE INTO CODE, BECOMING VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT, DISCUSSING IT INTERNALLY, WE DECIDED WE DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
WE'RE PROPOSING IT CAN STILL BE ONE HOUR RATE OF CONSTRUCTION.
WHAT WE'RE BRINGING IN WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS ALREADY ADOPTED FOR TOWNHOME.
UH, I'M GONNA CALL IT A PARTY BALL.
I DON'T WANNA USE COMMONWEALTH 'CAUSE THAT'S A SEPARATE, SEPARATE DEFINITION.
UM, BUT WHAT THIS IS, IS TWO ONE HOUR RATED WALLS.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY TWO HOUR RATED CONSTRUCTION.
UH, BUT YOU'RE, WE'RE NOT SAYING YOU NEED TO GET A UL DEF A UL ASSEMBLY FOR TWO HOURS.
WE'RE SAYING YOU NEED TO GET A UL ASSEMBLY FOR ONE HOUR AND DO THAT TWICE.
UM, SO IT, AT A MINIMUM, WHAT THAT IS, IS DRYWALL STUD, DRYWALL, AIR GAP, DRYWALL, STUD DRYWALL.
AND THEY ACHIEVE THAT BY, THEY CAN BUILD THE FIRST WALL.
THE, THE SECOND WALL HAS TO BE BUILT FLAT AND THEN LEAN IT UP INTO PLACE.
UM, THAT WILL PROVIDE BETTER PROTECTION THAN EVEN A TWO HOUR RATE OF, UM, IT PROVIDES VERY GOOD SOUND
SO, AND THAT'S ALLOWED UNDER THE TOWN HOMES.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE JUST FLYING THE LOGIC.
IF YOU'RE OKAY PUTTING THOSE IN TOWN HOMES AND THERE'S INFINITE NUMBER OF THOSE, WE'RE LIMITING IT TO EIGHT.
WE, WE THINK THAT IT'S, WE THINK THAT IT'S EQUAL.
UM, NOW WE'RE GETTING DOWN TO SINGLE EXITS.
KEEP IN MIND, SINGLE EXITS ARE IN, IN SMALL APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
UNDER THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE.
SINGLE EXITS ARE ALLOWED AS LONG AS THE OXYGEN LOAD DOES NOT EXCEED 15.
UM, SO WE'RE NOT, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT ALLOWING SOMETHING UNDER THE IRC THAT'S NOT ALREADY ALLOWED UNDER THE IBC WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SINGLE EXITS.
SO AGAIN, EVERYTHING IN BLACK IS WHAT'S ALREADY
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APPROVED UNDER THE IRC FOR EITHER DUPLEX OR TOWN HALL.ALL WE ARE DOING, THE CHANGES THAT WE ARE MAKING ARE JUST WHAT'S IN RED.
UM, SO WE'RE ADDING LANGUAGE TO THE, I'VE DISCUSSED THIS ALREADY, BUT I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH IT SINCE IT'S HERE.
THREE FOUR MAXIMUM, FOUR UNITS PER FLOOR ONLY WHEN THAT STORY IS ABOVE OR BELOW THE LEVEL OF EX EXIT DISCHARGE.
SO IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A SECOND FLOOR OR A BASEMENT, IT IS LIMITED TO FOUR, BUT YOUR GROUND FLOOR GRADE LEVEL CAN BE IN ALL EIGHT UNITS IF IT WANTS TO BE.
WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO NOT LIMIT DESIGN AND CREATIVITY.
IT JUST AS ONE, YOU KNOW, BOX OF FOUR UNITS FOR YOU.
UM, NUMBER TWO IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE.
WE'RE LIMITING THE EXIT ACCESS TRAVEL DISTANCE TO 125 FEET.
IF YOU WERE UNDER THE IVC, YOU WOULD BE ALLOWED UP TO 250 FEET BECAUSE YOU'RE SPRINKLED WITH AT LEAST A 13.
WELL, I CAN'T, IT WAS 13, R 13.
BUT IN GENERAL, BECAUSE THE BUILDING'S SPRINKLED UNDER THE IVC, YOU'LL GO UP TO TWO 50 FEET.
WE'RE CUTTING THAT IN HALF AND SAYING EVEN IF YOU SPRINKLE IT, YOU STILL CANNOT EXCEED 125 FEET.
UM, EVEN THE LANGUAGE, I'M SORRY.
EVEN IF YOU EXCEED WHAT YOU CANNOT SEE A 1 25 FEET, EVEN IF, SO, YOU, YOU HAVE TO GO FROM THE, YOU, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE THIRD FLOOR.
AND YOU KNOW, IN WORST CASE SCENARIO, YOU GO UP TO THIRD FLOOR UNIT ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF THE CLOSET, AND YOU HAVE TO GET FROM THAT CLOSET TO WHAT'S DEFINED AS AN EXIT WITHIN 125 FEET.
THAT IS EITHER FROM THE THIRD FLOOR TO THE FIRST FLOOR TO THE OUTSIDE FACE OF THE BUILDING.
UH, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN OPEN STAIR, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ENCLOSED INTERIOR EXIT STAIR, THEN THAT'S GETTING TO THE FIRE RATED DOOR THAT'S AT THAT STAIR ON THAT FLOOR.
JUST FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT A SUPER HARD LIMITATION FOR YOU FOR ARCHITECTS 1 25 FEET.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY LIMITING.
BUT IF YOU'RE ONLY PUTTING FOUR, FOUR UNITS ON THE UPPER FLOOR, IT'S VERY ACHIEVABLE.
I'M JUST SAYING BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE CONSIDERING THE SIZE OF UNITS, YOU KNOW.
PRETTY MUCH WHAT IT'S GONNA SAY IS YOU, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DO A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT UNIT AND A BUNCH OF FIVE FOOT SQUARE FOOT UNITS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MEET THAT 1 25 FOOT TRAVEL DISTANCE UNLESS THAT UNIT IS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
IT'S, IT'S JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT PUTTING BIG PENTHOUSES ON THE TOP FLOOR IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT'S DOING.
ON THAT, ON THAT, UH, TRAVEL DISTANCE, UH, ITEM ON NUMBER TWO.
UH, IS THIS BASED ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE ENTIRE, WHETHER IT'S FOUR OR EIGHT UNITS, IS FULLY SPRINKLED? NO.
IT'S WHETHER YOU'RE SPRINKLED OR NOT, YOU CANNOT EXCEED A 21.
SEE, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A, FROM A HISTORICAL STANDPOINT, I THINK THERE'S A CONTRADICTION.
UH, I THINK EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS THAT THE CURRENT IBC AND IRC AS PUBLISHED ASSUME SPRINKLERS.
SO THE 1 25 FEET AND THE INCREASE BASED ON SPRINKLERS IS CLEARLY IN THERE.
YOU'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE 2000, 2003 ADDITIONS OF THE IBC TO GET THE CORRELATING MAXIMUM TRAVEL DISTANCES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS FOR A NON-SCRIPTED BUILDING.
SO THIS IS NOT COMPARING APPLE TO APPLE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
ARE ARE YOU SAYING IT'S LESS, IT'S LIKE FEET YEAH.
JARED, I, I KIND OF RELATED TO THIS.
LIKE, I GUESS I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND, LIKE IF TRADITIONALLY THE CODE ALWAYS ALLOWS YOU SOME GRACE IF YOU'RE PROVIDING SPRINKLERS, SO TO SAY THAT IT CAN'T EXCEED THE 1 25 REGARDLESS OF SPRINKLE, I, I THINK WE'LL HAVE SOME CHALLENGES ON THAT.
BUT I MEAN, I THINK WE ALL AGREE HAVING A WINKLER SYSTEM MAKES A BUILDING MORE SAFE AND FOR THEM TO STILL HAVE THAT LIMIT.
I GUESS I, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I'VE HEARD SO FAR THAT I'M KIND OF LIKE NOT SURE ABOUT.
SO I, I WILL GET WHAT'S THE GRU AND WILL GO THROUGH IT THAT MAYBE AN OVERSIGHT ON OUR PART.
OUR INTENT WAS 125 FEET IS WE THOUGHT THAT WAS WHAT WAS ALREADY REQUIRED UNDER THE TOWN HALL CODE CODE AND THE TOWN, BUT, OKAY.
THE MAXIMUM, I'D LIKE TO SAY, WE'LL GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK IT.
THE MAXIMUM, I'LL BACK OFF THAT.
IF THERE'S SOME OTHER OVERALL LIMIT FOR TOWN HOMES OR SOMETHING LIKE ELSE, I, I GUESS I GET IT.
AND MAYBE THE NON SPRINKLER NEEDS TO BE LESS THAN THE 1 25, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
JUST TO HAVE A, UH, SPRINKLE AND NOT HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL LENIENCY IS, IS ODD.
AND UNDER THE IBC WHEN IT DID ALLOW UNS SPRINKLED MULTI-FAMILY, THAT TRAVEL DISTANCE UNDER THE SAME
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SCENARIO WAS LIMITED TO 50 FEET.AND THEN IF YOU SPRINKLE IT, IT, IT ALLOWED IT TO TO BE INCREASED.
WHAT SECTION IS THAT? DID YOU HAVE THE SECTION? UH, YEAH, I BROUGHT IT UP.
IT'S, IT'S THE EARLIER VERSION, I THINK THE 2003.
2003 RESIDENTIAL OR NO, IBC UM, NUMBER FOUR UNDER SINGLE EXITS.
WE'RE JUST ADDING
AGAIN, IF SOMEONE, BECAUSE THE I, THE IRC PREVIOUSLY BEING MAXED OUT INTO TWO UNITS, UH, CORRIDORS WERE NEVER CONSIDERED.
SO CONSIDERED, UH, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA STATE THAT OPENINGS AND CORRIDORS MAY BE RATED 45 MINUTES.
UM, THIS MIGHT BE A CONVERSATION WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IF THEY WANT 60 MINUTE DOORS.
WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO 60 MINUTE DOORS.
BUT 45 MINUTE IS COMMON APARTMENT BUILDING CONSTRUCTION CHIEF WILL, UM, DO YOU WANNA COMMENT ON THIS CHIEF BILL? CHIEF
SO YOU'RE SAYING, WHAT IS THE QUESTION? IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THAT RETROFITTED TO 60 INSTEAD OF 45 MINUTES? YEAH.
AND, UH, SO IN THE CORRIDOR, WE ARE, WE ARE SUGGESTING A ONE HOUR CORRIDOR.
DO YOU, ARE YOU GOOD WITH 45 MINUTE RATED ENTRY DOORS? OR DO YOU WANT THOSE TO BE INCREASE TO 60 MINUTES? 60 MINUTES WOULD BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ONE HOUR, WOULDN'T IT? UH, AND WE'RE, WE'RE JUST COMPARING THIS TO OUR, YOU KNOW, IN OUR TWO APARTMENT BUILDING WITH OPEN BREEZEWAYS.
UM, I BELIEVE THOSE WILL TYPICALLY BE 45 MINUTE RATED.
UH, BUT, BUT WE'RE FINE WITH 60 OF 60.
THAT'S, THAT'S A ACTUALLY IN, IN A STANDARD ONE HOUR RATED QUARTER FOR OUR TWO MULTIFAMILY, IT'S ONE HOUR QUARTER, 20 MINUTE RATED DOORS.
IT'S JUST A SMOKE DRAFT CONTROL DOOR.
AND THOSE ARE OFTEN EVEN, IS IT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THEY'RE 20 MINUTE DOORS.
'CAUSE IT'S JUST A 30 MINUTE CORRIDOR RATING.
IT'S STILL ONE HOUR SPRINKLES, SPRINKLES WHERE ALLOW IT TO BE REDUCED TO A HALF HOUR.
BUT, BUT THE OBVIOUS C DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO DROP BELOW ONE HALF HOUR.
AND WE'RE NOT, WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, I'M NOT THERE YET.
A TWO FAMILY DWELLING IS ALLOWED TO REDUCE A CORRIDOR TO HALF HOUR.
WE ARE, BY SPRINKLING, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING, SORRY, NOT A QUARTER DEMISING WALL.
WE'RE GONNA PROPOSE THAT THESE UNITS ALWAYS HAVE A ONE HOUR FIRE RATING.
SO NUMBER FIVE, ON SINGLE EXITS, UH, THE EXIT STAIRWAYS SHALL BE 36 INCHES.
WE'RE ADDING THE LANGUAGE AND PER SECTION 3 11 7 1, ALL THAT IS DOING IS POINTING THEM TO THE CODE SECTION WHERE STAIR WIDTHS ARE REGULATED.
UM, JUST SO THEY GET ALL THE DETAILS UPSTAIRS.
UM, IT ALSO DEFINES THAT THE 36 INCHES IS, IS CLEAR ABOVE THE HANDRAILS.
IT COULD BE LESS THAN 36 INCHES BELOW THE HANDRAILS, UH, PER CURRENT IRC DEFINITION.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE JUST POINTING 'EM TO THAT SECTION TO MAKE SURE, MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S READING ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S PERTINENT TO IT.
UM, WE ARE ADDING CONSOLIDATED DWELLINGS TO THE LIST.
SO THIS IS, WE'RE INTO FIRE SPRINKLING.
WE'VE TOUCHED ON THIS SOME, AND I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THE RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE.
WE'RE ADDING CONSOLIDATED DWELLINGS TO THE TITLE.
WE'RE ADDING CONSOLIDATED DWELLINGS TO THE DESCRIPTION AS WELL AS TOWN HOMES.
THE REASON FOR THAT IS TOWN HOMES RIGHT HERE WAS ADDED TO THE DEFINITION IN PREVIOUS CITY AMENDMENTS.
IT WAS JUST NOT SPECIFICALLY ADDED TO THE DESCRIPTION.
SO WE ADDED IT TO THE DESCRIPTION OF THE CLARITY.
THE NEXT IMPORTANT INFORMATION IS WE ADDED LANGUAGE THAT COMES FROM THE TOWN HOME CODE CONCERNING SPRINKLERS AND GARAGES.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THIS INSIDE AND OUT TO TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT THIS MEANS, BUT IT'S, IT'S SPECIFYING A SPECIFIC LEVEL OF PERFORMANCE FOR THOSE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. WHEN A GARAGE IS INTRODUCED, UM, WE ARE JUST ADDING AN EXCEPTION.
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ONE, TWO, AND THREE AS THEY APPLY TO TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS ALONE.WE ARE JUST ADDING AN EXCEPTION FOUR FOR CONSOLIDATED DWELLING UNITS.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS THE KEY LANGUAGE.
UM, A CONSOLIDATED DWELLING UNIT IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE SPRINKLED IF ALL THE FOLLOWING ARE MET.
THE DWELLING BUILDING MUST BE 7,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS AN AREA.
AND VEHICLE PARKING CANNOT BE PROVIDED ABOVE OR BENEATH THE DWELLING UNITS IN THE BUILDING.
WHAT THIS MEANS IS IF YOU WANT TO ADD A PARKING GARAGE STRUCTURE NEXT TO AND ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING, THAT'S OKAY.
BUT AS SOON AS YOU HAVE SLEEPING UNITS ABOVE THOSE OR BELOW THOSE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPRINKLE THE ENTIRE BUILDING NO MATTER WHAT.
NOW, SOME YOU COULD ARGUE THAT JUST BECAUSE THERE'S PARKING ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING AT ALL, IT COULD BE SPRINKLED.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LEAN ONTO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THE GROUP DID, DID NOT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW YOU CAN BUILD A RESIDENCE WITH A PARKING GARAGE WITH A SINGLE FAMILY OR DUPLEX WITH ATTACHED GARAGES, AND THERE IS NO FIRE RATING SEPARATION BETWEEN THAT GARAGE AND THAT UNIT BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE.
UM, WE'RE SAYING THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE IN THIS BUILD, IN THIS NEW BUILDING TYPE, YOU MUST PUT THE ONE HOUR FIRE RATED WALL.
BUT IT, WE DON'T, WE SEE A SIGNIFICANTLY LESS HAZARD BETWEEN THE PARKING AND THE RE RESIDENCES.
IF IT IS JUST A HORIZONTAL WALL, WE, BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA DO TUCK UNDER PARKING, JUST LIKE YOU'RE DOING A TOWN HOME, YOU HAVE TO SPRINKLE IT.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT ON THAT.
I WOULD SAY AS I THINK AS WILLIE POINTED OUT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A COMMON PARKING GARAGE BAR FOR EVERYBODY, WHETHER IT'S FOUR UNITS OR EIGHT UNITS, YOU'RE NOT, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AN IRC BUILDING ANYMORE.
I THINK THAT GOES TO THE IBC PERIOD.
WHEN, WHEN THE, WHEN THE IRC MENTIONS GARAGES IN THAT BOOK, THE ASSUMPTION IS NORMALLY MADE THAT THAT GARAGE IS PART OF THE INDIVIDUAL DWELLING UNIT.
A PERSON CAN LEAVE THEIR UNIT, GO DIRECTLY INTO, INTO THEIR GARAGE, NOT BE BOTHERED BY ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER HACK, UH, UNITS OR INHABITANTS.
SO THAT'S STRICTLY PART OF THAT CONSOLIDATE.
THAT'S CONFUSING BASED ON THIS LANGUAGE, BUT THAT'S PART OF THAT NO, ABOUT PRIVATE PARKING VERSUS SOLID PARKING.
THAT'S, THAT'S A PRIVATE GARAGE THAT'S PART OF THAT UNIT.
IT IS NOT A COMMON PARKING GARAGE.
SO THAT'S TOTALLY SEPARATE FROM WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
SO THAT SHOULD NOT BE PART OF THIS PROPOSAL AND MAINTENANCE ISSUE.
SO THEN I, THEN THE A I WOULD SAY THE A I A GROUP IS LOOKING FOR THE CITY'S RESPONSE TO THIS.
AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIGHT ANY RESPONSE FROM THE CITY ON THIS.
IT WAS OUR, IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM THE MEETING AT THE CITY OF DALLAS, OR NO, SORRY, AT THE A I A OFFICES THAT, I'LL SHOW THIS ONE AGAIN, THAT THIS TUCK UNDER PARKING.
AND, AND I'M NOT SAYING IT WAS EXPLAINED TO US FROM CITY STAFF.
EVERY, EVERYONE IN THE ROOM, ALL PARTIES AT STAKE, WE WERE TOLD THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO BUILD.
IT IS NOT PRIVATE ATTACHED PARKING SPACES.
IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S NOT FALSE OR WE DON'T WANT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT WE ARE NOT AWARE OF, WE ARE OKAY WITH THAT.
SO IF YOU GO TO YOUR FLOOR PLAN, YOUR FLOOR PLAN YES.
IS THE PROPOSAL WITH ADEQUATE PARKING ON THE SUBJECT LOT? NOT NECESSARILY WITH A PARKING.
SO PURPOSE PARKING, BUT NOT ION PARKING.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, UH, THIS IS GREAT.
I WAS JUST THINKING, IT'S PROBABLY SAID SOMEWHERE IN HERE, WE ALSO LIMIT MAXIMUM STORIES OF THREE.
UH, IF YOU DO NOT NOT WANT TO PROVIDE SPRINKLE SYSTEM, IT HAS TO BE UNDER 7,500 SQUARE FEET.
AND ALSO, UM, THREE STORIES OR LEFT.
IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE TWO BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO, WELL, IT COULD BE TRIPLE LEFT, RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EIGHT, EIGHT UNITS.
BUT IT'S REALLY, YOU COULD DO THAT.
OR TRIPLE PLUS, YOU KNOW THE, THE TRIPLE DECKER.
UM, BUT IT'S THREE UNITS, BUT IT'S NOT MORE THAN THREE STORIES.
IF YOU HAVE FOUR STORIES, YOU GO TO IB, C.
COULD I ALREADY, IT'S SOMEWHERE.
I THINK MAYBE YOU NEED TO CROSS REFERENCE HERE.
THE BEGINNING DEFINITION LIMITS IT TO THREE STORAGE, THREE STORY.
SO I JUST WANTED SUMMARIZE TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING.
SO DAVE, YOUR POSITION RIGHT NOW IS IF YOU WANTED TO DO CHUCK UNDER PARKING, YOU NEED TO GO TO THE IBC? YES.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
SO WE ALL AGREE IN THAT CASE GO TO IBC.
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UM, THE FINAL THING IS CONSIDERING ACCESS ACCESSIBILITY.UM, WELL, ONE QUESTION ON THAT, SORRY.
THE UG UNDER PARKING, THAT'S IF IT'S A COMMON PARKING.
BUT IF IT'S PRIVATE PARKING, PRIVATE PARKING IS ALWAYS, HAS ALWAYS BEEN ALLOWED BY THE CODE.
AS LONG AS IT'S PART OF THAT
SO YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A STAIR FROM THAT PARKING SPACE INTO YOUR ABOVE.
YOU COULD STILL ACCESS IT IF YOU WENT AND MADE ONLY LIKE YOU TOOK YOUR FLOOR PLAN, YOU HAD THERE AND JUST YOU GOT 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 UP CALLED THE GARAGE, PUT SOME DIVIDER WALLS IN THERE AND ONLY MAKE EIGHT PARKING GARAGES.
AND IF YOU DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT OH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
AND THEN YOU COULD PUT A DOOR ON EACH ONE OF THEM IN SOME WAY, THEN I THINK THIS WOULD PLAY INTO IT.
OR IT COULD BE, UH, PLEX, YOU KNOW, EACH CORNER IS TWO GARAGE AND THEN YEAH.
OR TWO STORIES ABOUT THAT WILL WORK TOO.
IT WOULD SOMETHING LIKE I JUST DREW DOWN HERE MEAN YOUR DEFINITION OF PRIVATE GARAGE.
DOES IT HAVE TO BE ATTACHED TO THE UNIT? SO IF I GO IN HERE AND I CAN ACCESS MY, MY HOME AND THAT'LL BE A, A GARAGE FOR THAT PARTICULAR UNIT.
BUT IF I'M, IF I, SO A DOOR LIKE THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE, YOU'RE SAYING IT NEEDS TO ACCESS THE UNIT DIRECTLY? YEAH, IT WOULD'VE TO ACCESS THE UNIT.
BECAUSE IF I HAVE TO GO IN HERE, THIS IS STILL A PARKING GARAGE.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PRIVATE ATTACHED GARAGE.
A PRIVATE ATTACHED GARAGE, WHICH IS LIKE
I MEAN TECHNICALLY BY BY CODE.
IT CAN BE A, A DETACHED GARAGE.
BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE GARAGE ITSELF, NOT THE INDIVIDUAL, BUT THE OVERALL ASPECT OF THE GARAGE.
LIKE THE TOP ALSO WHAT I'M REFERRING TO.
SO THAT LIKE, THERE, MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS.
IF, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DISCUSSING, YOU KNOW, FOUR UNITS ABOVE.
THIS WORKS, THAT IDEA WORKS PERFECTLY WITH YOUR, UH, YOUR FOUR DUPLEXES THAT YOU SHOWED MM-HMM
THAT WOULD BE A, A EASY WORK ONE.
BUT IN THIS, SO, SO WE HAD FOUR UNITS HERE MM-HMM
AND THEY HAD PRIVATE STAIRS TO FOUR, TWO CAR PARKING GARAGES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER THIS.
I DON'T SAY 'CAUSE THEY'RE PRIVATE BECAUSE THEY'RE ATTACHED.
FOUR UNITS WOULD HAVE ATTACHED PRIVATE GARAGES.
FOUR UNITS WOULD HAVE SURFACE PARKING.
BECAUSE IT STOP TO MAINTAIN THAT GARAGE DOOR.
WE KNOW WHICH HOMEOWNER IS REQUIRED.
AND, AND YOU HAVE THE SEPARATIONS BETWEEN EACH UNIT AND EACH GARAGE THAT'S REQUIRED FROM EACH UNIT, THE UNIT, THE WAY THE CODE TYPICALLY REQUIRES.
SO YOU ALMOST HAVE TO SURFACE PARK THIS CONSOLIDATED BUILDING AT LEAST POINT OF AND YES.
THEN YOU'VE GOTTEN AWAY FROM THEN YOU'RE USING MORE LAND POINT.
SO I THINK I, I THINK LIKE, I MEAN WHAT TYPE, THE QUESTION, THE QUESTION IS, IS WHAT, UH, JARED AND THE A I A GROUP HAVE COME UP WITH, IS THIS LIKE, IS THIS ALIGNED WITH WHAT CI STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ON? YES, I THINK SO.
I THINK I REALLY APPRECIATE, I THINK A LOT OF THESE COMING FROM THE ARCHITECT, THEY WORK WITH THEIR CLIENT ALL THE TIME.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE.
SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS LIKE, HOW SIMILAR IS THIS TO WHAT CAMILLE, ARE YOU STILL GONNA PRESENT AFTER THIS? THIS THE, THERE, THE COPY A DID IS JUST A BUILD UPON THE COPY WE DID ORIGINALLY.
SO WE, WE SENT OUT A DRAFT THREE WEEKS AGO AND THEY BUILD IT UPON THAT.
SO THIS IS WHY WE'LL GO OUT AND ASK FOR COMMENT ONE, TURN IT OFF.
I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT, UM, LIKE ARE WE VOTING TODAY? NO, WE'RE NOT.
WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO VOTE TODAY.
ARE WE TRYING TO VOTE LIKE AT THE NEXT MEETING? WOULD YOU BE LIKE YES.
LIKE MARCH 21ST OR WHATEVER? YEAH, AT THE HAVE TIME THERE ARE A FEW CHANGES ALREADY.
YOU HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT RESPONSE IS COMPLEX.
THE AI WILL LOOK AT THESE PROPOSED CHANGES FORWARD THOSE TO THE CITY.
THE CITY, THE CITY WILL DRAFT A FORMAL ORDINANCE THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT LEGAL DOCUMENT THERE.
AND THEN THAT'S WHAT WE WILL BE PRESENTED WITH AND ATTEMPT TO VOTE ON POTENTIALLY NEXT, NEXT MONTH.
AND, AND TO, AND TO FURTHER ASK, ANSWER, UH, THIS QUESTION, THE, THE, THE THE DRAFT VERSION THAT I JUST DROPPED OFF IN FRONT OF YOU MOMENTS AGO IS THE ONE I REFERRED TO THAT THAT TAKES THE EXCELLENT POINTS THAT JARED HAS JUST MADE AND, AND THE POINTS THAT CAMILLE MADE.
AND IT ACTUALLY COMBINES BOTH OF THOSE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A MORE UPTODATE VERSION.
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HAS NOT SENT IT NOT RIGHT.I SENT IT OUT TO ALL THE MEMBERS LAST NIGHT, BUT APPARENTLY THEY HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT IT ON THAT TIMELINE.
IS IT GONNA GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT REGARD DAYS BEFORE IT COMES? WELL, IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T SOUND LIKE NORMALLY THAT'S OUR PROCESS IS TO, IT'S TO SEND OUT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE BEFORE.
SO WE WON'T GO TO COUNCIL UNTIL THIS DAY LOAD OR GIVE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
SO IT WILL BE A WHILE BEFORE COUNCIL.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE GOAL HERE TODAY? TODAY IS A BRIEFING.
THAT'S WHAT WHAT IT SAID IN THERE TO LISTEN TO LEARN, RIGHT.
IT'S NOT FROM THE CITY AND THE I A ON THEIR, THEIR THOUGHTS AND DEVELOPMENT OF THIS.
THEN I THINK WHEN WE COME BACK AND VOTE, YOU'RE VOTING WHETHER OR NOT TO PRESENT THAT TO COUNCIL, TO PRESENT THAT TO COUNCIL.
AND IF YOU HAD ANY COMMENTS TO ADD OR SUBTRACT FROM IT AT THAT POINT, DOES THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT HAVE ANY, UM, ISSUES WITH WHAT, LIKE ALL THE NEW DEPARTMENTS WE JUST WENT OVER LIKE THAT? I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF THE, THE ISSUE HERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT'S WHY I, I REALLY APPRECIATE CHIEF BILL HAS BEEN ATTENDING A LOT OF THESE MEETING.
WE, WE, BEFORE THIS WE ALSO HAVE WEEKLY MEETING WITH STAKEHOLDERS.
SO HE'S BEING, UH, ATTENDING THAT.
SO CHIEF FEEL, PLEASE DO FEEL FREE TO COMMENT WHEN, UM, WHEN NECESSARY.
I'M LET HIM FINISH THE ACCESSIBILITY PART OF HIS YES.
BUT, BUT ON THAT TOP, THE KEY THING THAT, THAT WE CHANGED, WE, THE A I CHANGED COMPARED TO PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS AND I THINK WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD SEEN IS WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT A 13 D SYSTEM IS OKAY BECAUSE OF THE 13 B SYSTEM APPEARS TO BE OKAY FOR SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX AND TOWN.
IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FEELS THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH, IT NEEDS TO BE A 13 R, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
OUR, OUR FIRST PASS AT THIS WAS LET'S LOOK AT WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE IRC, WHAT'S ALREADY ALLOWED.
AND IF IT FEELS OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND APPLY THAT TO AN AFLEX.
UM, SO THE LAST TOPIC IS ACCESSIBILITY.
AGAIN, WHAT'S WRITTEN IN BLACK IS ALREADY ADOPTED.
UM, WE ARE ADDING THE TEXT AND REVS, WHICH BASICALLY SAID IF YOU'RE DOING A CONSOLIDATED, UM, IF YOU'RE DOING A CONSOLIDATED DWELLING UNIT BUILDING, YOU NEED TO REFER TO SECTION LEVEL 1108 OF THE IBC WITH CITY OF DALLAS AMENDMENT AND LOOK AT HOW THEY KIND OF QUALIFY R TWO OCCUPANCIES.
YOU NEED TO MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS OR REQUIREMENTS OF R TWO OCCUPANCIES.
DALLAS ELOQUENTLY WROTE HOW TO INCORPORATE FAIR HOUSING TO NOW FAIR HOUSING IS A NATIONAL REQUIREMENT.
SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN PAY FINES AND GO TO JAIL OVER THIS DISCRIMINATION IF YOU DON'T DO IT PROPERLY.
SO THE FAIR HOUSING ACT, BASICALLY IT SAYS YOU CAN'T DISCRIMINATE WHEN YOU'RE RENTING AN APARTMENT OR RESIDE.
IT ONLY APPLIES TO BUILDINGS OR DEVELOPMENTS OF FOUR UNITS OR, OR MORE.
SO THE IRC NEVER HAD TO ADDRESS THIS BECAUSE IT WAS ALWAYS LOOKING AT ONE TWO DWELLINGS.
WHEN LOOKING AT TOWN HOMES, THOSE TOWN HOMES ALREADY ALL ALWAYS KIND OF SEPARATED EVERY SO OFTEN.
UM, SO THIS IS A, SAY A BUILDER WHO'S FAMILIAR WITH THE IRC, UH, MAY NOT UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY DO A QUADPLEX OR AN AFLEX THAT FAIR HOUSING APPLIES.
SO RATHER THAN THREE FEET BETWEEN YOUR COUNTERTOPS IN THE KITCHEN, YOU'RE GONNA NEED 44 INCHES.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE GONNA MAKE ROOMS NEED TO BE LARGER.
WE JUST WANTED TO PUT IN HERE TO MAKE SURE ANYONE LOOKING AT THE CODE COMMUNITY ROOM THAT THIS IS TRIGGERING OTHER RULES.
SO WE'RE REFERRING THEM BACK TO AGAIN, SECTION 1108 OF THE IBC WITH THE OF DALLAS AMENDMENTS.
AND WE'RE JUST STATING IT FOR THEM RIGHT HERE.
THAT CONSOLIDATED DRAWINGS MUST MEET THE FAIR HOUSING ACT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE STATING IT TWICE.
WASN'T THERE LIKE A QUESTION LAST TIME AS FAR AS WHAT THE INTENDED USE WAS AND WHETHER IT FELL UNDER AFFORDABLE CARE OR THE FOR HOUSING, IF ANYTHING OVER FOUR UNITS HAS TO BE FAIR.
THAT'S A FEDERAL LAW, SO EVERYBODY HAS TO COME, WHETHER IT'S IN HERE OR NOT.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE A REFERENCE HERE TO REMIND PEOPLE.
BUT, AND I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST SAY THIS TO THE GROUP SINCE WE'RE ALL HERE.
IF YOU WERE TO TRY TO BUILD WHAT WAS SHOWN HERE, THE TUCK HUNTER PARKING, THERE IS NO, UH, RESIDENT, THERE'S NO DWELLING UNIT ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
THEY'RE ALL ON THE UPPER FLOORS WHERE HOUSING SAYS
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THE SECOND FLOOR MUST NEED FAIR HOUSING.AND THE ONLY, SO THAT MEANS YOU NEED ACCESSIBLE ACCESS.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ELEVATOR OR BEEN RAN TO GET YOU TO SECOND FLOOR.
SO THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S REQUIRED, THAT'S REQUIRED BY, OR THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR.
SEE, DALLAS CANNOT AFFECT THAT.
AND WHAT YOU CAN DO THOUGH IS YOU CAN PUT ONE UNIT ON THE FIRST FLOOR WITH ALL YOUR TUCK IN PARKING.
THAT UNIT ONLY HAS TO MEET FAIR HOUSING.
IT'S JUST THE WAY FAIR HOUSING IS WRITTEN BEFORE OWE BEFORE YOU ANYTHING, ANYTHING BEFORE YOU.
SO I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION IS, A LOT OF THIS CODE IS, I, I MEAN, JARED, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB JOB TODAY OF EXPLAINING THIS TO EVERY, LIKE EVERYBODY AND I UNDERSTAND IT.
BUT LIKE, ARE DEVELOPERS COMING TO STAFF AND BEING LIKE, WE WANT TO DO THIS? OR ARE, OR IS STAFF SAYING LIKE, IS STAFF TRYING TO PROMOTE MORE BUILDING? I JUST, UM, I THINK IT'S BOTH.
GOING BACK TO WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS, I GUESS IT'S BOTH.
THIS IS A NATIONAL MOVEMENT, NOT JUST CITY OF DALLAS.
I JUST TALKED TO EL PASO YESTERDAY.
THEY ALREADY HAVE UP TO FOUR UNITS IN PLACE FOR 10 YEARS IN THE IRC AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT UP TO EIGHT UNITS.
SO THEY NOTICE WE'RE DOING THAT.
SO, UH, THERE'S A NICE MOVEMENT.
AND THE REASON IS NOT ONLY JUST TRYING TO INCREASE THE HOUSING SUPPLY, BECAUSE CURRENTLY IN DALLAS, I WAS TOLD BY SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS THAT MULTIFAMILY ZONE DEVELOPING ARE NOT BUILD, UM, MORE THAN TWO UNIT.
BECAUSE BECAUSE THE CODE IS BARRIER.
THEY'RE BUILDING DUPLEX INSTEAD OF FOURPLEX OR PLEX.
SO THAT WILL, UH, BY REMOVING THE BARRIER, THAT WILL ALLOW THEM TO INCREASE THE HOUSING SUPPLY AND ALSO WILL DIVERSIFY THE HOUSING STOCK.
CURRENTLY YOU HAVE A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY AND APARTMENT, BUT YOU HAVE VERY LITTLE LIKE PLEX.
HAS EL PASO'S, HAS EL PASO'S HOUSING STOCK INCREASED SINCE THEY'VE LOOSENED THESE RESTRICTIONS? UH, THAT'S, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY THE CASE.
AND THERE'S AN ARTICLE YESTERDAY ABOUT, UM, UH, WASHINGTON.
UH, THEY HAVE, UH, A A ACTUALLY A, A STATISTIC.
I HAVE THE NUMBER SINCE THIS PASSES HOW MANY OF THESE HAVE BEEN BUILT.
SO IT WAS, IT REALLY HELPED TO INCREASE THE SUPPLY, NOT JUST A SUPPLY, BUT THE TYPE OF HOUSING THAT IS NEEDED.
'CAUSE CURRENTLY I BUILD A TRIPLET, I HAVE TO COMPLY.
IBC IS THE SAME LEVEL AS A 200 UNITS OR COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL, BUT TRIPLEX IN MY OPINION, IS CLOSER TO DUPLEX OR TOWN HOMES SET UP.
SO RIGHT NOW THERE, SO IT IS VERY, VERY HIGH STANDARD.
THE REASON I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, GET ALL THE, UH, INPUT IS FROM IBC TO IRC, IT'S A CHANGE, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE SAFETY IS TO BE CONSIDERED RIGHT, LIKE THE FIRE SEPARATION, ALL OF THAT.
IF WE MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT TO, TO DO IN THE IRC ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY NOT GONNA DO IT.
AND ON THE SEPARATE NOTE, I THINK THE GOAL IS TO KEEP THIS ALSO IN THE IBC.
IN THE EVENT PEOPLE JUST SAY, I DON'T WANT TO IRC, I WANT TO IBC, THEY HAVE THE CHOICE.
SO THIS IS MORE LIKE A CHOICE.
YOU CAN STILL, ANYTIME YOU NEED A SPRINKLER 7,500 SQUARE FEET, I STILL THINK IT NEED TO BE LOWER TO 7,500 SQUARE FEET SQUARE.
YOU NEED TO GO IB, C OR GARAGE ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
THIS IS JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT TO BE AT RC SPECIAL DEVELOPER WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH IRC TO REVIEW AND TO EXPAND, UH, THEIR PORTFOLIO, I GUESS OF DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO HELP THIS MIDDLE HOUSING.
BUT THERE'S, THERE'S PAST CITY COUNCILMEN WHO HAVE WANTED TO DO THIS FOR A WHILE AND AS CURRENT CITY COUNSELING WHO ARE, WHO ARE APPLYING PRESSURE.
I MEAN, I'M IN, I'M IN FAVOR OF TAKING STEPS TO INCREASE THE HOUSING STOCK.
I JUST LIKE, I, LIKE I WOULD'VE THAT LITTLE, THE LIKE THE REVIT MODEL THAT YOU PUT UP WAS LIKE PROBABLY LIKE THE MOST HELPFUL THING TO HELP VISUALIZE THIS.
AND I WAS JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE DEVELOPERS IN OUR CITY THAT ARE LIKE, HEY, I'M DOING THIS IN PLANO, OR LIKE, I'M DOING THIS IN ADDISON.
I JUST, UM, VERY SELECTIVE AROUND THE COUNTRY.
DID UH, FIRE HAVE, UH, ANY, UM, COMMENTS? I THINK YOU, PHIL? YEAH.
SO I STILL SAY IS IN REGARDS TO OUR MEETING YESTERDAY IS WHERE WE STAND.
AND I STILL WANNA QUESTION ARE WE, SO WHERE WE AT WITH EIGHT VERSUS FOUR? EMILY, WHEN WE TALKED YESTERDAY WITH COUNCILMAN,
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UH, RIDLEY AND THE OTHERS ON, ON THE VIRTUAL, IS THAT SOMETHING, ARE WE STILL TAKING A LEAP TO GO FOR AID OR ARE WE DOING THE BABY STEPS THAT WE, WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE LAST TWO MEETINGS TO TRY AND GO FOR FOUR OR EMULATE MEMPHIS? UH, I THINK HERE'S WHERE I AM.WE WERE ASKED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO GO TO EIGHT MM-HMM
UM, AND THEN WHEN WE DID THE RESEARCH OF OTHER CITIES, MOST CITIES STOP AT FOUR.
LIKE EL PASO IS FOUR, BUT THEY'RE WORKING ON THE EIGHT.
TALK TRIPLE FOUR FLAT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, UH, THERE'S TWO APPROACHES TO THIS.
ONE IS THE ONE TO EIGHT, WHAT CITY COUNCIL ASKS AND YOU THE BOARD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THERE.
UH, THE SECOND ONE IS WE SPLIT AVENUE INTO TWO, UH, OPT FOR ADDING PLEX AND FOURPLEX AS THE PHASE ONE AND GO FROM THERE.
AND THEN FIVE TO EIGHT UNITS, WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, AT END OF THE DAY, A CITY COUNCIL WILL MAKE THAT FINAL DECISION.
BUT YOU CAN ALSO, UH, CHIME IN ON THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING A, I A CAN ALSO, BUT FOUR UNITS IS BEEN PROVEN.
EL PASO HAS BEEN USING FOR 10 YEARS WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM.
SO WE KNOW FOR SURE AND SHE BILL AGREES TOO.
HE CAN DEFINITELY SUPPORT UP TO FOUR WITHOUT ANY RESERVATION.
LOOK LIKE YOU ARE SUPPORTING TWO FOUR.
UH, BUT TODAY WE'RE ASKING, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL ASKING TO EIGHT.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL CAN, UH, DO TWO STEPS.
UH, BUT I THINK FOUR UNITS HAS BEEN USED A LOT MORE IN, NOT JUST IN CITIES.
SOME STATES, UH, ADOPTED ENTIRE STATE, UH, ADOPTED THE FOUR UNIT.
NORTH CAROLINA AND, AND OREGON HAVE THE ENTIRE STATE.
SO IT HAS BEEN USED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
UM, THE FIVE TO EIGHT UNIT COULD BE STEP TWO, BUT THAT'S WHAT I ACHIEVE.
YOU, WE ALSO NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU.
UM, YOUR OPINION IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT AS WELL.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE SAFETY, UH, PROFESSIONALS AND CITY COUNCIL CAN, UM, CAN ALL WAIT WEIGH IN OUR ASK TO EIGHT.
I THINK I DEFINITELY FEEL COMFORTABLE RECOMMEND TO FOR LOOK G BILL O2 AND A SECOND STEP FOR FIVE TO EIGHT.
UM, BUT THAT HAD DISCUSSION HAS HAPPENED.
I'VE BEEN TALKING TO, UH, COUNCIL RIDLEY AS ONE OF THE SPONSOR, ANOTHER COUNCIL, COUNCIL.
I HAVE NOT GOT A CHANCE TO TALK TO HIM, BUT I THINK WE CAN PREPARE TWO SCENARIOS.
UH, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BABY STAFF OR JUST ENTIRE A UNIT.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE OUR GOAL HERE.
LIKE OKAY, BECAUSE, UM, LIKE COUNCILMAN RIDLEY'S THE ONE WHO WANTS THIS LIKE, RIGHT.
AND LIKE HE HAS TO GET THE APPROVAL FROM THE REST OF COUNCIL TO PASS THIS THROUGH.
LIKE I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING HERE IS LIKE, I DON'T SEE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US GOING FROM FOUR VERSUS EIGHT.
UM, SO I, I, I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO A BABY STEP.
I WOULD JUST FOR US TO VOTE ON THE NEXT MEETING.
THAT'S DEFINITELY JUST INCREASING IT TO, TO EIGHT DOLING UNITS IN THIS TYPE OF DWELLING.
WHAT WOULD THE RES OR WHAT ARE THE CHIEF'S RESERVATIONS FROM FIVE TO EIGHT VERSUS THE UP TO FOUR? WELL, LIKE I SAID, STATED YESTERDAY AND, AND EVEN AS THE NFSA HAVE STATE HAS STATED, UM, THE LACK OF A SUPPRESSION SYSTEM, THE SINGLE STAIRWELL, UH, JUST THOSE SYSTEMS, THOSE THOSE SITUATIONS COMBINE IN THE, THE HAZARDS THAT THEY IMPOSE ON THE CONSTITUENTS AND THE FIRST RESPONDERS.
UH, THAT'S THE STATEMENT THAT WE'VE MADE.
UM, I MYSELF, CHIEF FREEMAN, UH, SINCE THE BEGINNING OF, OF THIS TASK, UM, WHILE I, I DON'T SUPPORT THE EIGHT, BUT I, I KNOW AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A POLITICAL THING AND, AND IF IT GET GETS PUSHED FORWARD, WE JUST WANNA STATE ON THE RECORD, THIS IS WHAT WE FORESEE, UH, WITHOUT THOSE PROTECTIONS THAT SHOULD BE GRANTED IN IBC AND REMOVED AND PLACED IN THE IRC, UH, THE FUTURE LONGEVITY HAZARDS THAT THEY IMPOSE.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? OR LIKE THE RESERVATION BETWEEN LIKE A 7,500 SQUARE FOOT, UM, LIKE HOW ELSE WERE THE SPRINKLERS REQUIRED VERSUS 7,500 SQUARE FOOT, YOU KNOW, TRIPLEX OR SOMETHING? THE, THE WAY I VIEW IT, IT'S A MULTI-FAMILY UNIT AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, UH, EIGHT POTENTIAL FAMILIES WITHIN THAT STRUCTURE ITSELF.
UM, FROM A, FROM A TACTICAL PERSPECTIVE, TRYING TO FIGHT THAT FIRE WITH ONE STAIRWELL COMBINED WITH IT, UH, WITHOUT THE USE OF A SUPPRESSION SYSTEM, UH, INCREASES THE DANGERS FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND, AND THE CITIZENS THEMSELVES.
I MEAN, YOU MAY VIEW IT A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT BUT I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM MULTIPLE DIFFERENT ANGLES.
IS IT ALSO LIKE PARTLY LIKE, OKAY, YOU HAVE, INSTEAD OF ONE KITCHEN IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, LIKE NOW YOU THINK YOU'RE
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INCREASING THE ODD OF, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.YOU HAVE EIGHT DIFFERENT TENANTS.
YOU, YOU HAVE NO CONTROL, NO MANAGEMENT OVER WHAT'S GOING ON IN THOSE, THOSE TENANTS.
UH, I MEAN LIKE, UM, THE INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS SPEAKING EARLIER, UH, ZACH AND EVEN MYSELF, UH, BEING BURNED IN A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, YEAH, IT WAS A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, BUT YOU HAVE EIGHT POTENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS COMBINED IN ONE UNIT UNDER 7,500 SQUARE FEET, UH, WITH A RESPONSE TIME OF LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES.
UH, IF THAT FIRE IS A LITHIUM BATTERY FIRE THAT OCCURS ON THE THIRD OF THIRD FLOOR THAT'S BLOCKING THAT ONE STAIRWELL, UH, NOW WE HAVE NOTIFICATION THROUGH DISPATCH THAT THERE ARE POTENTIAL VICTIMS INSIDE THE IC IS GOING TO SEND SOMEONE IN.
THE QUESTION IS, OR ARE THEY GONNA GET OUT 'CAUSE OF THE HAZARDS THAT WE'VE, WE'VE CREATED BY ALLOWING IT TO EXIST FROM THE BEGINNING.
SO THERE'S THINGS LIKE WE COULD, WE COULD SUGGEST THAT THESE BE TWO STORY BUILDINGS, NOT THREE STORY, AND THAT ELIMINATES REALLY THE OPTION FOR TUCK UNDER PARKING.
YOU COULD, WHY WOULD THE CITY BUILD ANYTHING THAT THEY DON'T USE FIRE SUPPRESSIONS SYSTEM? THAT, BUT WE'RE AT THREE STORIES BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE TOWN HOME CODE ALLOWS FOR.
THAT'S WHAT THE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE DUPLEX CODE ALLOWS FOR.
WE'RE JUST MATCHING WHAT'S CURRENTLY ACCEPTED PRACTICES.
BUT, BUT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S FORM OF INFORMATION.
BUT, BUT REMEMBER AGAIN, IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND.
YEAH, I MEAN IT'S THE TYPE OF SYSTEM.
BUT REMEMBER, UH, J AS JARED STATED, THE CURRENT CODE DOES ALLOW, UH, IRC AND IBC DOES ALLOW WHAT HE JUST STATED.
BUT, BUT THE UNSTATED ASSUMPTION IS THAT THE IRC AND THE IBC REQUIRES SPRINKLERS THROUGHOUT PERIOD.
WHAT IF WE JUST PROPOSE THAT ANY, YOU KNOW, THREE OR MORE UNITS REQUIRES FIRE SAFE FIRE SPRINKLERS REGARDLESS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE? WELL THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY DALLAS CODE CURRENTLY IS.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE, WHY ARE WE SAYING LET'S LOOK AT GOING? WELL, THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS CITY OF DALLAS IS GOING TO SAY, WELL, CURRENT CODES, IF YOU TRIED TO BUILD A, A THREEPLEX, WHICH YOU HAVE TO PUT IN A 13 MINIMUM SYSTEM, WE WE'RE PROPOSING, WE CAN PUT IN A 13 D, WHICH IS ONE, WHICH IS A, A LITTLE BIT OF COST SAVINGS.
BUT THE OTHER BENEFIT THAT WE'RE GOING TO THE IRC IS YOU'RE GETTING OUT OF REQUIREMENTS FOR SAY, EXIT SIGNS.
UM, YOUR STAIRS CAN BE SMALLER, YOUR GUARDRAILS CAN BE LOWER, YOUR TREAD RIGHTS ENDED HIGHER UNDER THE IRC THAN UNDER THE IBC.
PEOPLE ALSO FEEL THAT GOING UNDER THE CITY OF DALLAS' RESIDENTIAL REVIEW PROCESS IS A LOT EASIER, LESS EXPENSIVE.
I'M JUST SAYING, WHAT IF WE JUST SAY JUST SPRINKLER, LIKE LEAVE, LEAVE THAT, BUT REQUIRE, REQUIRE SPRINKLERS REGARDLESS WHERE FOOTAGE THEN WE'RE BASICALLY DENYING THE REQUEST, RIGHT? TO DO AN APEX OR FOURPLEX.
BUT THEN THERE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE INTENT OF THIS ALL TO BEGIN WITH IS PEOPLE FEEL TRYING TO BUILD, I'M GONNA CALL 'EM SMALL APARTMENTS, IS COST PROHIBITIVE.
BUT IF YOU LOOK BECAUSE OF THE FIRE SPRINKLING REQUIREMENT, THE FIRE ASSISTANCE REQUIREMENTS, EXIT SIGN REQUIREMENTS, EGRESS REQUIREMENTS, IT'S ALL LIFE SAFETY RELATED UP THERE.
BUT THERE'S, THERE'S PEOPLE WHO THINK WE CAN BUILD CHEAPER AND STILL MAINTAIN MINIMUM LIFE SAFETY STANDARDS THAT ARE ALREADY ACCEPTED UNDER THE IRC.
SO THAT'S THE STUDY WE PUT TOGETHER.
WE ARE LOOKING ACROSS THE, WHAT'S IN THE IRC RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
CAN WE BUILD AN PLEX WITH THAT? WE BELIEVE WE CAN, WITHIN REASON WE'RE PULLING SOME THINGS FROM THE IVC AND THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH IT.
BUT IT'S ALL ABOUT REDUCING CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
THE COST FOR WE CAN, WE CAN SAY YOU HAVE TO SPRINKLE IT NO MATTER WHAT.
BUT THAT'S PROBABLY THE SINGLE BIGGEST COST THAT IT'S, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SPRINKLE A 3,500 SQUARE FOOT TOWNHOUSE FOR LESS THAN $5,000.
BUT WITH, WITH THE 13, WELL IT'S, OUR, OUR GROUP HAS NOT BEEN ADVISED ON WHAT IS THE ACTUAL COST OF THIS.
WELL, THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE THE COST IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS FOR A A FOURPLEX OR AP PLEX, LESS THAN $5,000 FOR A FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM IS NOTHING.
SOMEONE MENTIONED A KEY THING ABOUT THAT.
WHERE ARE THE MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT? AND I DON'T, I DON'T SERVE SINGLE, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT UP THE MULTIPURPOSE SYSTEM.
THERE IS NO MAINTENANCE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
WELL, BUT THE DOWNSIDE OF NO MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS THOUGH, THERE IS A DOWNSIDE TO THAT.
IF, IF, IF YOU LEAVE IT TO THE LANDLORD, WHETHER HE OR SHE WANTS TO MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM OR NOT, WHAT ARE THE ODDS ARE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SOME LANDLORD THAT THAT DOESN'T MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM.
SO WHEN IT IS TIME FOR IT, IT, IT DOESN'T WORK.
THERE'S ALWAYS WAIT THERE, THERE'S ALWAYS, I I KNOW, I KNOW.
I'M JUST SAYING STANDALONE OR NOT.
IF SOMEBODY COMES ALONG AND PAINTS,
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THEY HAVE COVERS ON 'EM, THEY PAINT THE COVERS, BUT NO, THEY WON'T COME POP OFF AT THE SAME TIME.I MEAN THERE'S A LOT NO, NO, NO, I GET THAT.
I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE FOLKS DON'T WANT THE PLUMBERS TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS MULTIPURPOSE SYSTEM, WHICH PERSONALLY I DON'T CARE ABOUT.
BUT I AM SAYING BEING DUMB IF WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE THAT IS ACTUALLY CONSIDERABLY CHEAPER, UH, AND WORKS PERFECTLY AND REQUIRES NO MAINTENANCE, IT'S CHEAPER TO INSTALL.
IT'S CHEAPER ALL THE WAY AROUND.
I THINK, I THINK WE, I THINK AS A CITY WE ALREADY, I'M UNDERST STU THAT NOBODY EVEN KNEW OF THE SYSTEM.
I, I THINK AS A CITY WE ALREADY PASSED THAT.
THAT'S ALREADY ALLOWED IN THE IRC, THE MULTIPURPOSE SYSTEM.
I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO BUILD PUBLIC HOUSING, I THINK, BUT HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH MORE OR LESS CAN YOU GET THE $5,000? WELL, I, I TOTALLY AGREE.
I I'M LOOKING AT THE LIABILITY PERSONALLY JUST SINKING OUT IN MY OWN HEAD.
OH MY GOD, WE'RE BUILDING PUBLIC HOUSING AND IF SOMEBODY GETS BURNT UP LIKE THAT KID WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YES, OF COURSE THAT'S, THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS IF THAT HAPPENED.
BUT WHERE'S THE EXPOSURE FOR THE CITY WHO DECIDED THAT? WELL, YOU KNOW, WE DID MINIMAL SAFETY.
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SPEND ANYBODY ELSE'S MONEY.
I'M BIG, IT'S CONSERVATIVE ON MONEY SPENDING.
BUT I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO REALLY USE OUR HEADS HERE PUT AND REQUIRE LIKE, LIKE SCOTTSDALE AND SO MANY OTHER CITIES AND STATES WHERE THEY'VE ALREADY PROVED THAT NOT ONLY DOES IT SAVE LIVES AND ALSO THE FIRST RESPONDERS LIVES, BUT IT ALSO, YOU KNOW, REDUCES THE COST OF THE DAMAGE TO A FRACTION OF WHAT IT WOULD OTHERWISE BE.
I MEAN THESE ARE ALL THINGS PREPARING WATER DAMAGE IS NOTHING COMPARED TO REBUILDING.
I WAS NEVER PUT A FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEM IN MY HOUSE.
I WAS SIMPLY TRYING TO EXPAND MY FOOTPRINT IN THE PLUMBING INDUSTRY BY GETTING THIS LICENSE.
BUT WHEN I WENT THROUGH ALL THE CLASSES AND EVERYTHING INVOLVED, I IMMEDIATELY PUT A FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEM IN MY HOME.
'CAUSE THE NEW PRODUCTS, OUR NEW, UH, BEAMS AND RAFTERS AND EVERYTHING GO UP SO QUICKLY THAT YOUR KIDS AT THE STOP AT THE STAIRS AT THE FAR END OF THE HALLWAY, THEY DON'T WANT TO BE NEAR MOM AND DAD.
YOU KNOW, THEY DROP DEAD QUICKLY 'CAUSE THEY CAN'T GET OUT THE WINDOW.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T OPEN UP THE WINDOWS ALL THE WAY, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE NEW RULES.
SO MY POINT IS SIMPLY, I THINK WE OUGHT TO REALLY SERIOUSLY BE THINKING ABOUT IN EVERY PUBLIC THING THAT WE DO FROM HERE, HANDS FORWARD, WE MAKE IT FIRE PROTECTED.
WE, WE WATER, WE SPRINKLE IT, AND I THINK ALL THE FEDERAL WOULD BE SPRINKLED LIKE SCOTTSDALE.
AND YOU KNOW, IF, IF THIS GROUP IS DECIDES IN A MONTH OR TWO AND WE GO TO
THE A I A AND I'LL JUST SPEAK PERSONALLY FOR MYSELF, I LIKE ENTERTAINING THIS BECAUSE IF WE CAN BUILD HOUSING LESS EXPENSIVELY FOR PEOPLE AND IT'S GOOD FOR EVERYONE, IT'S GOOD FOR THE CITY, IT'S GOOD FOR PEOPLE THAT AGREED AT WHAT EXPENSIVE.
I MEAN WELL, AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO PUT ALL OF OUR PROFESSIONAL MINDS TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH, INCLUDING THE CITY AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO I, I THINK THE MOTIVATION FROM THE A I A, THE REASON MOST OF THE A I A SUPPORTS IT, THERE'S SOME ARCHITECTS OF THE A I A THAT WERE LIKE, WHY ARE WE MISSING WITH THIS? MM-HMM
THERE'S ARCHITECTS ON THIS BOARD THAT ARE LIKE, WHY ARE WE MESSING WITH THIS? UM, THE MOTIVATION BEHIND THE AI SUPPORT THIS THOUGH IS IT'S, IT SUPPORTS AFFORD MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND I THINK THAT CITY COUNCIL'S MOTIVATION AS WELL.
THEY WANNA SUPPORT MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I THINK OUR CHARGE, THE A I A THIS BOARD THE CITY IS TO SAY, CAN WE MAKE THIS HAPPEN SAFELY? YES.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS YES.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE AI FIRST STEP HAS BEEN.
WE THINK WE, WE, WE THOUGHT WE UNDERSTOOD BUILDING TYPE THAT WAS DESIRED.
WE MOVED TO THE IRC SAID, THESE ARE THINGS WE THINK WE NEED TO DO TO ACCOMMODATE IT.
WE'VE LEARNED THAT WE MISUNDERSTOOD THE BUILDING TIME, SO WE'LL GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND ADJUST THOSE THINGS.
BUT IN THE END IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND THE FIRE MARSHAL DECIDE IS THIS, IS THIS OKAY FOR DALLAS OR NOT? FROM A SAFETY THEY STANDPOINT, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE AUTHORITY HAVING JURISDICTION.
SO LIKE WHEN I READ, WELL, LIKE I READ ALL THESE AND I DON'T, LIKE, MAYBE I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I'M NOT A, UH, WHATEVER.
BUT I DON'T THINK LIKE, THIS SEEMS TO BE LIKE A GOOD AMOUNT OF FIRE PROTECTION BASED ON LIKE WHAT WE JUST TALKED, TALKED FOR THE LAST TWO HOURS.
UM, YOU KNOW, UM, THE MAIN GOAL OF THIS, LIKE YOU SAID, IS TO INCREASE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UM, I THINK WHAT WOULD REALLY BOOST THAT CASE OF
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US GOING THROUGH THIS ENTIRE EXERCISE, WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING WITH OTHER ARCHITECTS, LIKE HOW CAN WE, UM, YOU KNOW, REINTERPRET THE CODE TO ALLOW US TO BUILD A CERTAIN NUMBER OF, MORE NUMBER OF UNITS WOULD BE JUST LIKE SOMEONE ON THE OTHER SIDE BEING LIKE, WOW, I COULD REALLY USE THIS CODE CHANGE.AND, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD JUST LIKE BOLSTER THE CASE FOR US TO DO THIS.
UM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE SOMEONE ON THE OTHER SIDE TALKING ABOUT THE RISKS AND YOU KNOW, I COULD POTENTIALLY SEE THE GREATER BENEFITS, BUT IF PAUL OR LIKE PHILIP KINGSTON OR LIKE STAFF DOESN'T HAVE ANYONE THAT'S LIKE, WOW, THIS WOULD REALLY HELP ME.
IT'S JUST LIKE A DIFFICULT CASE TO MAKE THAT LIKE, WE'RE ALL GOING AROUND AND DOING THIS, LIKE, OR NOTHING IS KIND OF WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
SO I THINK, SORRY, THIS IS CHARLES.
I, I BELIEVE THAT KIND OF THIS CONVERSATION, THIS CONVERSATION HAS BEEN STARTING IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS AROUND THE CITY AND EVERYONE'S REFERRING TO IT AS, UM, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND, AND THOSE THINGS.
LIKE, I WANNA BE LIKE, I THINK THERE'S A POINT OF CLARIFICATION THERE IS LIKE, THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT THIS CHANGE THAT SAYS LIKE, THIS IS GONNA BE ONLY APPLIED FOR LOWER INCOME OR AFFORDABLE INCOME, OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS.
THIS IS, THERE'S A, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE GROUP, BUT THERE'S A GROUP THAT MEETS LIKE MONTHLY TO TALK ABOUT CODE, PROCESS PLAN, REVIEW PROCESS AND EVERYTHING.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPERS ON THAT.
AND SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT CAME FROM THAT IS LIKE, THIS IS AN ITEM THAT, UH, CHALLENGES THEIR COST NUMBERS IN, IN, UM, AND THEN IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE TO BUILD AND THEY TEND TO NOT WANT TO DO IT.
AND IT'S, I JUST DON'T WANT US TO GET HUNG, GET MAKE IT.
I DON'T WANT IT TO GET PAINTED THAT IT'S GONNA, LIKE, THIS IS GONNA ADVERSELY AFFECT LOW INCOMES, UM, MORE THAN IT WOULD ANYBODY ELSE.
I THINK HIGH END SITUATIONS ARE GONNA HAPPEN IN UPTOWN AND EVERY PLACE ELSE THAT'S DEVELOPING WITH THESE CODES APPLIED TO IT JUST AS MUCH AS IT WOULD ANY PLACE ELSE.
AND BUT THE, THE MOTIVATION THAT THIS CAME FORWARD IS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT BUILD THESE HOUSING SEE THIS AS A COST PROHIBITIVE THING.
AND SO THEY BUILD OTHER FORMS OF STRUCTURES AND EVERYTHING AND IT, AND, AND IT, UM, UH, HURTS OUR ABILITY FOR THE DENSITY THAT DALLAS IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO, WHICH IS, THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER CONVERSATION THAT PEOPLE WILL LIKE OR DISLIKE.
BUT, UM, I JUST, JUST WANT TO THROW THAT COMMENTARY IN THERE A LITTLE BIT.
'CAUSE THIS IS NOT AFFORDABLE.
IT'S JUST MAKING IT MORE AFFORDABLE.
IT IS, IT IS A, IS AN ALTERNATIVE TO PROVIDING HOUSING.
AND WHEN I SAID FORWARD, WHAT I REALLY MEANT, LIKE, IS IT CHEAPER FOR THE BUILDERS TO BUILD IT? YES.
LIKE THAT'S WHAT, AND LIKE IF IT BECOMES CHEAPER, I'D JUST LIKE TO HEAR FROM A BUILDER THAT'S LIKE, WOW, LIKE I READ THIS AND THIS IS GOOD FOR ME LIKE THAT.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW I'M, I'M IS GOOD FOR YOU.
I SAY THE COST ISN'T THAT MUCH AND YEAH, IT, THE BUILDER 30, 3500 BUCKS FOR ONE UNIT, YOU KNOW, ON AN EIGHT UNIT BUILDING, LESS THAN $30,000 FOR A LIFE SAFETY DEVICE.
BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE COST THAT WE SHOULD BE CUTTING.
IF YOU WANTED ME TO HAVE THE PERSON WHO, UH, PROCESS AND PASS THROUGH THE, UH, CODE WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS ON MULTIPURPOSE, YOU WANTED HIM TO COME IN, HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH A I A YOUR, YOUR FOLKS OR SOMEBODY SUGGEST I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO INTRODUCE HIM TO Y'ALL.
PETER AND I KIND OF LEADING THE TASK FORCE HAPPY, YOU COULD SHARE WITH ME.
WE COULD SCHEDULE A MEETING ABSOLUTELY.
INDIVIDUAL TO MEET WITH THE AI.
I JUST WANT, YOU KNOW, WE DID MEET WITH THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION.
THERE WAS LIKE MAYBE 18, BUT AS A BIG GROUP OF PEOPLE, THEY ALL SUPPORT THIS.
WE DID ASK THEM ABOUT THE COST.
THEY DO SAY THIS WILL BE LESS, WE EVEN SUGGESTED FIVE TO EIGHT UNITS WE ADD FIRE, UM, ALARM SYSTEM INSTEAD OF SPRINKLER.
THEY SAID THAT'S CAUSES MINIMUM VERSUS THE SPRINKLER.
SO THE GREAT MAJORITY OF THE, I THINK EVERYBODY THERE SUPPORT THIS AND THE FEEL LIKE THIS WILL BE HELPFUL, WHICH IT DEPENDS ON THE SYSTEM.
THE SYSTEM, THE, THE, THE ONE THAT'S ACCEPTED NOW FOR 7,500 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, I THINK IT'S SUPER REASONABLE.
IF YOU GO TO THE, THE ONE THAT'S REQUIRED, UH, 1313 R.
13 D, 13 D, THAT'S A MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE SYSTEM.
I SAY SOMETHING, I THINK WHAT, WHAT COULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU WANNA DO COMPATIBLE SOME OF EXAMPLE YOU MM-HMM.
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AND THE CROSS A LITTLE BIT, THEN I THINK IT MAY BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF LIKE, HOW MUCH MORE IS IT REALLY, YOU KNOW, THROUGH YOUR, YOUR QUESTION.YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT VALID QUESTION OF SCALABILITY OF IT.
SO YOU'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 30, $30,000 IS A ROUGH BUDGET COST FOR AN EIGHT UNIT FOR, FOR AN EIGHT UNIT WITH UNDER, IF, IF YOU'RE BUILDING THESE FOR TWO, IS $200 A SQUARE FOOT FAIR TO BUILD A 7,000 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY BUILDING? I MEAN IT DEPENDS ON, I MEAN YEAH, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT I HIGH END AND LOW, SO I DON'T KNOW.
YOU KNOW, THIS COULD BE, WELL, SO I, I'M ESTIMATING, I'LL JUST SAY FOR CONVERSATION, THAT'S 1.4 MILLION.
I'M AT 30,000 ON TOP OF 1.4 MILLION.
ADDING, I MEAN, AND IT, WHY IT'S NOT A LOT.
IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS OF CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT COSTS $3,500 FOR ONE FOR PER UNIT.
AND DRUG, I, I'M A BUILDER, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE MONEY.
I'M NOT HERE TRYING TO SAVE MONEY.
I THINK, I THINK THE, THE COST IS, YEAH, THE, THE COMMENT ABOUT THE SIZING OF THE PIPING FOR A UNIT THAT'S USED IN BOTH THE DOMESTIC WATER AND THE FIRE PROTECTION IS REALLY NEGLIGIBLE ANYMORE TO PUT IN A, A, UH, A PEX INCH AND HALF SERVICE VERSUS A PEX, UH, ONE INCH SERVICE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY JUST A COST OF THE FIGHT.
IT'S NOT THE LABOR OR ANYTHING.
IT'S, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
THIS IS ASSUMING THE, THE, THE 13 D, WHICH IS I THINK THE SYSTEM THAT IS NOW ALLOWED 13 R RIGHT NOW IT REQUIRES 13 R RIGHT.
BOTH ISD, SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX AND TOWN HOMES IS 13 D GOT THE QUESTION, WHICH IS YEAH.
WHICH IS 13 RIGHT HOUSE ORIGINAL DRAFT FROM C WAS RECOMMENDED 13 R.
BUT IF IT'S IDC, IT'S A DIFFERENT LEVEL.
SO BY MOVING THAT FROM I, YOU KNOW, IB, C TO IR 13 R REQUIRES HEADS AT LIKE OVERHANGS AT PORSCHES PATIOS, THOSE ARE EXTERIOR HEADS.
AND THERE, THERE IS A TON OF COSTS WITH THAT.
SO WE CAN JUST DO, UH, IF YOU HAVE LIKE AN ATTIC SPACE, DEPENDING ON THE ROOF SYSTEM, IF YOU HAVE AN A LIKE A HIP VERSUS A FLAT ROOF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DRIVER'S WET COST.
THAT'S WHERE YOU START ADDING IN THE DEVELOPMENT FROM AND GETTING AN EXPENSIVE SYSTEM.
BUT IF YOU CAN HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF SYSTEM FOR REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'RE ALLOWING NOW, I'D SAY JUST SPRINKLING THE INTERIOR CONDITION SPACES.
IF WE CAN ALLOW THAT AND NOT HAVING CANTILEVERS RIDGE PATIOS, YOU KNOW, A DRY SYSTEM OVER ATTIC SPACE AND THE COST FOR THAT.
OR I THINK, AND I THINK THAT PROBABLY IS BENEFICIAL FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR I MEAN IT MAY HELP THEIR KIND OF RESERVATIONS.
THE, THIS IS MY OPINION, THE A I A WILL TAKE A MINIMUM APPROACH.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM OUR LICENSES ON THE LINE, WHAT WOULD WE BE OKAY SEEING? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND TO THIS BOARD AND TO THE CITY.
IF THIS BOARD AND THE CITY WANTS TO INCREASE THOSE, THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS BOARD IS TO RECOMMEND YEAH, BETTERMENTS.
BUT WHAT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET FROM THE A I A GROUP IS THIS IS AT THE, RIGHT NOW WHAT, WHERE OUR MINDS ARE IS YOU CAN DO ONE HOUR RATE OF CONSTRUCTION WITH A, WITH A 13 D SYSTEM, BUILD THIS PRODUCT IF THE CITY WANTS TO INCREASE THAT TO 13 R OR REDUCE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENTS.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT HELPS THE COST, THE WHOLE COST THING OF TRYING TO REDUCE COST FOR DEVELOPERS.
AND THAT, AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP TOO.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
YOU KEEP GOING AT 13 D AND 13 ON THAT.
13 D IS THE NFPA 13 D IS THE STANDARDS FOR DESIGNING AND INSTALLING A PROSPECT AS SYSTEM FOR ONE, TWO FAMILIES, WEB AND MANUFACTURING
AND THEN WHAT IT SAYS IN THE, ON THE D AND MANUFACTURED HOME.
IF YOU, IF YOU GO, YOU CAN DEBATE THIS.
WE TALKING ABOUT CITY DALLAS AMENDMENT? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, THE N FPA 13.
THIS GENTLEMAN RIGHT HERE IS TALKING ABOUT THE MONTH OF PURPOSE, UH, FIRE SPRINKLER, PROTECTIVE SPACE, TEXAS STATE, UH, UH, STATE OF TEXAS LAB PLUMBER THAT HAS AN ENDORSEMENT, INSTALL THIS TYPE OF SYSTEM, THAT SYSTEM TO GET THAT ENDORSEMENT, YOU HAVE TO LEARN THE 13 D THAT IS KEEP BEING MENTIONED IN YOUR COMPENSATION AND ALL.
I'M TRYING TO GET CARRIED ON BECAUSE KEEP SAYING 13 D AND THEN SAYING, WELL, 13 D IS TOO EXPENSIVE AND HE'S EXPLAINING THE SYSTEM.
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I SAID, WELL, THE SYSTEM THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS A 13.THE 13 R YEAH, THE 13 R WHERE YOU HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL EXTERIOR HEADS.
BECAUSE I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY OKAY, SAME THING.
BUT THAT'S MORE THAN WHAT I SAID.
HE IS ONE CHARLES WANTS TO ADD IN ON THIS CONVERSATION.
WELL ACTUALLY I NEED TO ADD IN ON SOMETHING ELSE.
LIKE I NEED TO PEEL OFF IN THE NEXT LIKE FIVE MINUTES.
DOES THAT SCREW US OVER AS FAR AS QUORUM AND CONVERSATION? IT DOES.
YEAH, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE PRETTY SET.
I CAN FOR SURE GIVE FIVE, BUT AFTER THAT I'M, YEAH, SO IN THAT LINE AS HE'S GONNA GO, SO, UM, JUST TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE.
WE CALL THIS AS A SPECIAL MEETING.
WE HAVE A REGULAR MEETING LATER IN THE MONTH.
ONE MORE WEEK IT WOULD BE, SO THE, SO THIS IS GOING BACK TO THE A I A GROUP.
FANTASTIC JOB ON THIS, ANDREW, EVEN I UNDERSTAND.
I THINK WHAT'S GOING ON, WHICH IS GOOD.
SO, UM, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO, THAT WASN'T A JOKE.
SO, UM, SO YOU ALL ARE GONNA TAKE THIS AND DO MORE WITH IT.
YOU WON'T BE DONE BY NEXT WEEK, SO YOU'RE GONNA NEED SOME TIMELINE.
UH, WE, WE MAY NEED TO DO IT IN APRIL.
SO YOU ALL HAVE TIME TO REWORK THIS.
WELL, IF I MAY POINT, POINT OF INFORMATION, SINCE IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE NOT GONNA, UH, GET TO DO THE PRESENTATION TODAY.
THAT LAST HANDOUT THAT I SENT A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, I, I DUPLICATED A HARD COPY FOR YOU TODAY.
YOU COULD TAKE THAT HOME WITH YOU.
AS I STATED EARLIER, THAT ONE INCLUDES, UH, I THINK JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN JARED'S PRESENTATION IN ADDITION TO WHAT WAS IN CAMILLE'S EARLIER PRESENTATION.
PLUS IMPORTANTLY, IT INCLUDES A LOT MORE DETAILS THAT WERE NOT MENTIONED IN EITHER OF THE PRESENTATIONS, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
BECAUSE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A FULLY, FULLY COMPREHENSIVE YES, THAT ONE, THE ONE THAT SAYS CHAPTER 52, RIGHT? WE'LL MAKE SURE TO TAKE THAT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH, NOT, NOT AN A LA CARTE PICK LIST VERSUS THAT.
IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO THE CODE COMPLIANT, THEN THAT IS THE, THAT IS THE, UH, IS THIS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? YES, THAT IS A DRAFT TO LOOK AT PURSUANT TO THIS NEXT MEETING.
SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO COME TO THE NEXT MEETING PREPARED TO ASK QUESTIONS OR COMMENT ON THAT PARTICULAR GRAPH.
AND YOU'LL BE PRESENTING THAT ONE? I CAN, YES.
SO AGAIN, I SAY PROBABLY IT DEPENDS ON WHEN YOU ALL ARE GONNA MEET AGAIN OR DO WE JUST MAKE THE NEXT MEETING ABOUT THAT? WELL, AREN'T YOU GUYS TRYING TO GO TO COUNCIL NEXT MONTH? COUNCIL ASKED US TO BE YES.
SENT TO COUNCIL END OF THIS MONTH, BEFORE THE END OF THE MONTH.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY, WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER THERE.
UH, WE DON'T, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S OUR TASK.
AND THEN ANYWAY, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE PROCEDURE ON THAT? IF THEY, UH, IN TERMS OF, YEAH, THEY, THEY WANT, THEY WANTED THIS TO BE THE FIRST QUARTER, WHICH IS THE END OF THIS MONTH TO BE, UH, TRANSMITTED TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, FURTHER DELIVERY AND ROLL DOWN THIS, UM, WHAT I, I'VE GOT A, I'VE GOT A SUGGESTION.
IF, SINCE THE TIMELINE AND THAT SEEMS TO HAVE THAT, THAT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN THE, ONE OF THE DRIVING, UH, FORCES BEHIND THIS ENTIRE THING.
OR IF WE MISSING RECOMMENDATION, THEY'RE GONNA GO FORWARD WITH IT.
UH, WHY NOT? UH, IF, IF, IF, IF, UH, IF THE, IF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WANTS TO TAKE THAT LATEST DRAFT THAT I JUST REFERRED TO AND GO AHEAD AND, AND PUT IT IN AN ORDINANCE FORM THE LEGAL FORMAT AND THEN THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT TWO THINGS.
YOU'RE ACCOMPLISHING TWO THINGS AT THE SAME TIME.
YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE PREPARED, AN ORDINANCE FORM, AND AT THE SAME TIME YOU HAVE THE LATEST VERSION THAT ENCO THAT EN, THAT ENCOMPASSES BOTH, UH, AMENDMENTS UP TO THIS POINT.
AND YOU HAVE IT ALL IN ONE DOCUMENT.
AND THEN YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING AND YOU WOULD MEET, BE ABLE TO MEET THE TIMELINE.
WELL, THEY REQUESTED, UH, TO BE TRANSMITTED TO THEM BY END OF, UH, MARCH AND THEY GO TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE ON APRIL 7TH.
SO BASICALLY THE WEEK BEFORE, 10 DAYS BEFORE THE APRIL 7TH, WE NEED TO SUBMIT EVERYTHING FINAL TO THEM.
AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO CITY COUNCIL PROBABLY
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SOMETIME ONE OF THE APRIL MEETING COULD BE, UH, THE FOLLOWING WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER THAT.SO THAT'S THE TIMELINE OF THE EVENTS.
IS IT 10 CALENDAR DAYS OR BUSINESS DAYS? 10 CALENDAR BREAK? YEAH.
I WOULD SAY MAYBE AROUND MARCH 28TH.
MAYBE THE FOLLOWING WEEK AFTER YOU MET, WE COULD ALWAYS DO ANOTHER SPECIAL CALL MEETING.
AFTER THE 18TH, BUT BEFORE THE 28TH.
MAYBE THE WEEK AFTER THE EIGHT.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY ON THE 18TH IS GONNA BE CHALLENGING FOR ME.
WE'RE GONNA START OUT SPRING 18 OR REGULAR LIKE CHARLES NEEDS GO.
ARE YOU AVAILABLE, CHARLES? NO, IT'S GONNA BE, UM, 25TH.
DO WE HAVE A, MAKE SURE WE HAVE A QUORUM? WE CAN CALL ME.
WE FIGURE THAT OUT, OUT LATER, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
CAN WE, I MEAN, I SHOULD BE AVAILABLE ON THE 25TH.
THAT WILL GIVE EVERYBODY ONE MORE CALL, BUT YEAH, I KNOW.
SO WE HAVE A EXCELLENT DISCUSSION.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO UH, I GUESS A MOTION TO CONCLUDE THE MEETING.
DO ADJOURN? DO ADJOURN? UH, MOTION TO ADJOURN A SECOND.