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[Permit and License Appeal Board on April 3, 2025.]
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LATE START.
UH, BUT WELCOME TO THE HEARING IN A PERMANENT AND LICENSED APPEAL BOARD FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
IT IS 8 48 ON THURSDAY, APRIL 3RD, 2025.
WE HAVE ONE HEARING ON TODAY'S AGENDA FOR CLUB LOS ELLIS, LLC, APPEALING THE DENIAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A LATE HOURS PERMIT.
AT THIS TIME, I'LL DO A ROLL CALL OF THE BOARD.
IF PRESENT, PLEASE SAY, HERE, PRESENT.
UH, MS. KYLE, MS. THOMAS HERE.
AND, UH, WELL, WELCOME TO THE BOARD.
WHEN THE NEXT TIME I, I LOG IN, I'LL PUT IT IN THOMAS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I CALL YOU THE WAY YOU PREFER TO BE CALLED.
UH, MR. JEFFERSON? MR. ILLA? PRESENT? UH, MR. JEFFS HERE.
IS HE REPLACING THE KIN? I'M HERE.
AND I NOTE THAT WE HAVE MR. GONZALEZ, A NEW BOARD MEMBER WHO WILL BE OBSERVING TODAY.
UM, SO ABSENT FROM THE HEARING, UH, MS. KYLE, MR. JEFFERSON, AND MS. SHE, UH, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT, AND THE MEETING IS NOW CALLED THE ORDER WILL, THE OTHER PRESENT AT TODAY'S HEARING, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF, BEGINNING WITH THE BOARD'S GENERAL COUNSEL, MATTHEW SAPP.
AND FROM THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
ME, SAVA MARTINEZ, NANCY SANCHEZ.
AND, UH, YOUR, WERE THE APPELLATE MARTHA LUIS.
I'M SORRY, YOUR LAST NAME AGAIN? LUIS, LUIS.
AND THROUGH THE CITY ATTORNEY.
GOOD MORNING, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY CHANEL FISHER.
AND GOOD MORNING, UH, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY MEL STIMSON.
ALRIGHT, AND, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE WOULD BE PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
UH, UH, NO SPEAKERS REGISTERED TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.
AND NUMBER TWO IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 20, 20, 25 MEETING.
IS THERE A MOTION FROM THE BOARD REGARDING APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES? UH, I MOVE.
WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
ALL RIGHT, HAYES MOOSE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
ANYBODY WANNA SECOND THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? MS. THOMAS? I SECOND.
THOMAS, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? MR. HAYES, IT'S YOUR MOTION.
ANYONE OPPOSED TO THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT.
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AND, UH, VICE CHAIR TORRES, THESE WILL BE SENT TO YOU TO SIGN.NEXT ITEM IS THE APPEAL HEARING FOR CLUB LOS ES, UM, APPEALING THE DENIAL OF A DANCE HALL LATE HOURS PERMIT UNDER SECTION 14 DASH 3.1 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE.
THE BURDEN OF PROOF FOR THIS HEARING IS ON THE APPELLANT AT THIS TIME.
UH, ANY WITNESSES WHO WISH TO TESTIFY IN THE HEARING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND BE SWORN IN BY THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, THE TESTIMONY YOU WILL GIVE BEFORE THIS BOARD TODAY WILL BE THE TRUTH? I DO.
UM, MS. LOUISE, UH, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK YOU NEED TO PRESENT YOUR CASE? 30 MINUTES, PROBABLY.
UM, AND HOW MUCH TIME DID YOU SEE? 15.
THAT, UM, WE'LL DO 30 MINUTES, UH, PER SIDE.
AND IF YOU USE LESS TIME THAN THAT, GREAT.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE, UH, DO NOT HAVE AN EXHIBIT FOR THE APPELLATE.
DID YOU GUYS, DID YOU SUBMIT ANY DOCUMENTS? UH, I SUBMITTED A, A P THE PDF FILE THAT WAS REQUESTED THROUGH EMAIL, AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS JUST THE REQUEST THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED THAT WE RECEIVED.
WITH THE PDF FILE, DID YOU SEND SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE REQUEST FOR THE HEARING? YES, WE DID.
IT WAS, UM, SOME PICTURES AND VIDEOS.
UM, WE DO HAVE, UM, WE ALSO PRINT 'EM AND I HAVE 'EM HERE, BUT WE SEND THEM THROUGH, UM, THROUGH EMAIL.
DO YOU HAVE A COPY WITH YOU? SEE WHAT, YES, WE DO HAVE COPIES OF THAT.
AND, UM, THERE'S ABOUT THREE SETS.
DO YOU WANT ME TO PUT 'EM TOGETHER? SO, YEAH, IT'S 'CAUSE THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
SO LET ME JUST KIND OF, SORRY.
SO THAT WAY IT, UH, MY SON DID.
MS. FISHER, WOULD YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO US CONSIDERING THIS PHOTO? NO.
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YES.SO, UH, FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS ONLINE, UM, THE, UH, APPELLANT HAS, UM, THREE LOOKS LIKE OVERHEAD VIEWS FROM GOOGLE MAPS WITH MEASUREMENTS ON THEM.
AND, UM, WE'RE GONNA GET THOSE SCANNED SO THAT YOU GUYS, UH, HAVE THOSE.
BUT WE WILL BEGIN IN THE MEANTIME.
SO WE HAVE THAT, AND I'VE GOT ONE EXHIBIT FROM THE CITY WITH A NUMBER OF TABS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THE BOARD WILL ACCEPT, UM, ALL OF THAT AND THE BENEFITS.
AND MR. SNAP, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE RELEVANT BOARD? SO, CHAPTER 14 PROVIDES THAT THE PERMIT, LICENSE AND APPEAL BOARD MAY, IN ITS DISCRETION, GRANT AND EXEMPTION FROM THE LOCAL RESTRICTIONS OF SECTION 14 DASH 3.1 FOR A LATE HOURS PERMIT FOR A CLASS A, B, OR C DANCE HALL, WHICHEVER APPLIES.
IF IT BINDS THAT ONE, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DANCE HALL WILL NOT HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON NEARBY PROPERTY OR BE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY OR WELFARE.
TWO, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DANCE HALL WILL NOT DOWNGRADE THE PROPERTY VALUE OR QUALITY OF LIFE IN ANY ADJACENT AREA, OR ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT OF URBAN BLIGHT.
THREE, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DANCE HALL OPERATING UNDER A LATE HOURS PERMIT IN THE AREA WILL NOT BE CONTRARY TO ANY PROGRAM OR NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION OR INTERFERE WITH ANY EFFORTS OF
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URBAN, RENEWABLE OR RESTORATION.AND LASTLY, THAT ALL OTHER APPLICABLE PROVISIONS OF THIS CHAPTER WILL BE OBSERVED.
UH, LOUIS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BEGIN WITH A BRIEF OPENING STATEMENT? UM, GOOD MORNING.
UM, WE ARE THE OWNERS OF PUEBLO.
WE'VE BEEN OWNING THE BUSINESS FOR, IT'S A, A FAMILY AND OPERATED BUSINESS.
WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR, UM, ALMOST 17 YEARS THIS YEAR.
UH, DURING THE TIME THAT WE'VE BEEN, UM, OPEN FOR BUSINESS, WE HAVE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE OR A PROBLEM, UM, BEFORE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY HUSBAND.
HIS, HIS NAME IS JOSE LUIS AND MY SON JOSHUA MOLINA, WHICH, UH, WE RUN THE DAILY, UM, TASK OF THE BUSINESS.
WE ONLY OPEN FOR BUSINESS ON SATURDAYS EXCEPT FOR, UM, SPECIAL OCCASIONS, WHICH IS PROBABLY TWO OR THREE TIMES DURING THE YEAR THAT WE OPEN TWO OR THREE DAYS, UM, DURING, UM, DURING THAT WEEKEND, WHICH WILL BE FRIDAY, SATURDAY, AND SUNDAY.
BUT IT'S, LIKE I SAID, IT'S ONLY PROBABLY ABOUT TWO, TWO TIMES DURING THE YEAR THAT WE OPEN
I MEAN, WE OPEN, UM, OR JUST SATURDAY NIGHTS.
AND OUR MAIN, I MEAN, WE HAVE, UM, WE'RE OPEN FOR EVERYONE, BUT, UH, WE'RE TARGETING FOR OUR CLIENTELE IS THE LGTB COMMUNITY, AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR THE PAST 17 YEARS AS WELL.
UM, THE CITY LIKE TO HAVE A BRIEF OPENING.
GOOD MORNING CHAIR SIT AND THE STEAM BOARD MEMBERS.
THE DENIAL OF THE LATE HOURS PERMIT FOR CLUB LOS TOGETHER STANDS HALL SHOULD BE AFFIRMED.
PRESIDENT DAN HALL IS WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF A RESIDENT PURSUANT TO SECTION 14 DASH 3.1 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE.
IN PERTINENT PART, A NO LATE HOURS PERMIT MAY BE ISSUED FOR A DANCE HALL LOCATED WITHIN 1000 FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE OF A LOT DEVOTED TO RESIDENTIAL USE AS DEFINED BY CHAPTER 41 AND CODE.
THEREFORE, THE CITY CONTEND THAT THE DENIAL OF THE PERMIT WAS OFFERED AND SHOULD BE AFFIRMED.
UH, WE'LL NOW BEGIN WITH PRESENTATIONS.
UH, OUR PRESENTATION BEGINS JUST BY KIND OF DENOTING WHERE, UH, WE TOOK OUR MEASUREMENTS FROM.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PICTURES IN FRONT OF YOU.
UH, THERE WAS SOME MORE THAT I HAD SENT TO THE EMAIL, BUT I'M NOT ABLE TO GET IT TO LOAD, UH, I GUESS TO SEND IT THE HERE.
UH, WELL, UH, OUR MAIN ARGUMENT WAS THAT THE, THE ORIGINAL MEASUREMENT THAT WAS TAKEN, UH, DENOTING THAT WE WERE WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF THE PROPERTY, UH, UH, DOESN'T ENCOMPASS, UH, WHAT'S THE TRUE DISTANCE FROM OUR, FROM WHERE OUR ENTRANCE IS OR WHERE, UH, WHERE OUR BUILDING IS TO THE PROPERTY LINE OF THAT, UH, OF THE RESIDENCE.
UM, WE'RE, UM, WE'RE SITTING IN A FIVE ACRE, UH, LOT.
SO THERE'S, WE HAVE A, A, A BIG PARKING LOT, OUR BUILDING, IT'S MORE TOWARDS THE END, UM, OF THE, UH, OF THE ACREAGE THAT WE HAVE.
SO IN BETWEEN THE, UM, THE ACTUAL BUILDING AND THE END OF THE FENCE, UM, THAT GOES TOWARDS THE, UH, THE HOUSE THAT, THE CLOSEST HOUSE TO THE PROPERTY WE HAVE, WE MEASURE IT.
AND IT'S ALMOST 480 FEET JUST IN BETWEEN, I MEAN, FROM THE BUILDING ITSELF TO THE END OF THE, OUR PROPERTY.
SO, UM, JUST THAT IN THERE IT'S ALMOST 500 FEET.
UH, WE DID ON THE PICTURE THAT WE PRESENTED OR THE MEASUREMENTS THAT WE PRESENTED, WE MEASURE FROM THE BUILDING TOWARDS THE, UM, LIMIT OF THE, UH, PROPERTY.
AND LIKE I SAID, TOWARDS WHERE THE MEASUREMENT WAS TAKEN BASED ON THE PICTURES THAT WE SAW.
UM, JUST IN THERE, IT'S, WE HAVE A, UH, I MEAN, THERE'S A, A BIG, UH, UM, THERE'S A BIG GAP THERE.
SO, LIKE I SAID, WE ALMOST HAVE, UM, 480 FEET, UH, FROM THE BUILDING TOWARDS THE MIDDLE OF THE, UM, OF THE, UH, PARKING LOT, OR NOT THE MIDDLE OF WHERE THE PARKING LOT, IT SAYS 317 FEET.
SO WE JUST, IN THERE, WE HAVE ALMOST, LIKE I SAID, BETWEEN 300 AND 500 FEET JUST WITHIN OUR PROPERTY.
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AND FROM THE ACTUAL, FROM FROM THE, FROM THE ENTRANCE OF OUR, THE BUILD, THE, THE BUSINESS, UH, OR OF THE BUILDING TOWARDS THE HOUSE THAT IS BEING, UM, DENOTED ON THE, UH, TO THE CLOSEST HOUSE WE HAVE, UH, IT'S, UH, IT'S A THOUSAND BECAUSE THEY, WELL, WHEN THEY MEASURE FROM THE, FROM THE BUS, FROM THE BUSINESS TO, UM, TO THE HOUSE, IT'S SAYS THAT IT'S 897.UM, BUT THAT'S MEASURING FROM THE ACTUAL, JUST THE LIMITATION OF THE, UM, THE, THE PROPERTY LIMIT.
PAGE 10 ON THE APPEAL FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE, THIS KIND OF LIKE CIRCLE MEASUREMENT THAT THEY HAVE, THE, THE, THE CENTER OF WHERE THEY'RE MEASURING THEIR RADIUS IS, IS IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT THE MIDDLE OF OUR ACTUAL BUILDING, WHICH IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUSINESS, THE BUSINESS, WELL, THE PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS PART OF THE BUSINESS, BUT THE, THE SOUND OR ANYTHING THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE BOTHERING SOMEONE IN THOSE RESIDENCE WOULD BE COMING MORE TOWARDS THE, UH, THE ENTRANCE, WHICH IS THE, THE DOORS THAT ARE OPEN THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND OUT AND WOULD SOUND WOULD BE COMING OUT OF.
SO YOU CAN SEE IF YOU MOVE THAT POINT MORE TOWARDS THE ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE MEASURING FROM IN THESE PICTURES THAT YOU GUYS, UH, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS HAVE ACCESS TO THEM NOW, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE TOOK OUR MEASUREMENT.
AND, UH, WHERE'D THE OTHER ONE GOES? THE ONE THAT MEASURES FROM THE DON'T HAVE BUILDING TO GLASS.
WE DON'T HAVE A, BUT IT'S, IT'S OVER A THOUSAND FEET IN ON THAT ONE.
IT'S OVER, IT'S OVER A THOUSAND FEET.
ON, ON, ON THAT, ON, ON THE MEASUREMENTS THAT WE HAD.
YEAH, BECAUSE, UH, I ALSO, UH, I, I USED A, UH, I HAD THOSE PICTURES SENT IN THAT EMAIL, BUT, UH, WE, WE USED A DRONE TO MEASURE THAT WILL KIND OF, TO TAKE AN AERIAL, OUR OWN AERIAL PICTURE, JUST, UH, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO RELY JUST ON GOOGLE MAPS.
UH, BUT JUST, UH, THE MEASUREMENT THAT I WAS ABLE TO, UH, CALCULATE FROM THAT WAS, UH, AGAIN, ALSO OVER A THOUSAND FEET.
IT WAS A THOUSAND AND, UH, 50 FEET, I BELIEVE FROM, UH, OUR NEW POINT OF MEASUREMENT, WHICH IS OUR ACTUAL BUILDING TO THAT PROPERTY LINE ON 35 29, UH, DEANTE STREET.
UM, AND ALSO TO MENTION, UM, DURING THIS TIME THAT WE'VE BEEN AT THIS PROPERTY, UH, WE HAVE NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE NEIGHBORS OR ANY, ACTUALLY THAT'S, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER NEIGHBORS AROUND.
AND IT'S JUST, UH, THERE'S A CREEK BEHIND US.
THERE'S OTHER BUSINESSES, UH, THERE ARE NEXT TO US, UH, RIGHT, RIGHT ACROSS FROM WHERE WE ARE.
THERE'RE, UM, THERE'S JUST EMPTY LOTS.
UH, SO WE HAVE NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS. WE ALSO HAVE, UM, LIKE I SAID, WE KNOW, BEEN KNOWING OUR CLIENTELE FOR SO MANY YEARS, FOR SO LONG, AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TRY TO TAKE CARE OF, WE ALWAYS, UH, TRY TAKE CARE OF THEM.
WE OFFER, I MEAN, IF SOMEONE IS, YOU KNOW, UM, WE SEE THEIR NOT ABLE DRIVE WILL OFFER TO, UM, ASK, UH, UH, GET 'EM A MOVE UBER OR CALL, UH, SOMEONE TO COME AND PICK THEM UP.
SO WE ALWAYS TRY TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
WE ALSO, UH, PARTICIPATE ACTIVELY ON, UH, WITH THE, UH, CITY CONSOLES JUST TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE THE, UH, THE AREA.
UH, WE FENCE THE PROPERTY, WE GATED THE PROPERTY.
'CAUSE THERE, THERE WAS, UM, SOME ISSUE WITH, UM, UH, HOMELESS AROUND THE AREA.
SO WE TRY TO, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE A THAT OF, UH, TRY TO HELP THEM TO FIX ALL THOSE ISSUES.
CAN CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE CLUB ITSELF? WHAT TYPE OF CLUB IT IS, WHAT YOU'VE GOT GOING ON THERE, AND ESPECIALLY WHAT HAPPENS AFTER 2:00 AM? UM, WELL MAINLY, BUT THE REASON WE WANTED IS JUST 'CAUSE, UM, LIKE I SAID, WE ONLY OPEN ONE, ONE, UM, SAT JUST SATURDAYS.
SO PEOPLE START, UH, WE START CUTTING, UH, WE START ASKING PEOPLE TO LEAVE LIKE AROUND THREE.
WE OPEN AT 9:00 PM AND FROM 9:00 PM TO, UH, 2:00 PM WE HAVE JUST, UH, DJ MUSIC THAT PLAYS THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT.
AND THEN FROM THERE WE START, PEOPLE START JUST, UH, LEAVING THAT WE WANTED JUST TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SO IT'D BE MORE PLEASING FOR THEM JUST TO START INSTEAD, INSTEAD OF HAVING JUST ALL LEAVE AT ONCE.
SO PEOPLE START LEAVING OR, UM, UH, HOW WILL GUESS HOW WOULD I SAY IT? UM, MORE PEACEFUL, MORE COMFORTABLE.
UH, BECAUSE WE, WE SELL, UH, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A NIGHTCLUB FROM NINE TILL TWO, AND THEN AFTER TWO, UH, WE, I MEAN, IT'S REALLY JUST LIKE A, IT'S A LATE NIGHT DANCE HALL.
EVERYONE'S JUST IN THERE DANCING, HAVING A GOOD TIME.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, JUST TO,
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IF SOMEONE DRANK TOO MUCH BY, YOU KNOW, 2:00 PM IT'S A LOT EASIER FOR THEM TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DANCE THAT OFF.AND WE CAN KIND OF SEE TO THE SITUATION IF THEY NEED AN UBER, IF WE NEED TO GET, YOU KNOW, HOW TO GET SOMEONE HOME.
AND, UH, IT'S, UH, I MEAN THOSE TWO HOURS AFTERWARDS, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY LIKE WE'RE PUSHING IT TO, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S STILL IN THERE AT FOUR.
IT'S, IT'S JUST MORE OF KIND OF LIKE A BUFFER TIME TO HAVE EVERYONE, YOU KNOW, GIVE EVERYONE KIND OF ENOUGH TIME TO ENJOY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'VE BEEN DRINKING ALL NIGHT, GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ENJOY THAT THEY'VE BEEN DRINKING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN JUST OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, LEAVE AT THEIR OWN PACE.
'CAUSE NO ONE, NO ONE WANTS TO BE, YOU KNOW, DANCING AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN AT TWO, 2:00 AM YOU KNOW, CUT OFF THE MUSIC AND IT'S LIKE, EVERYONE GET OUT.
CAN CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE EFFECT THAT YOU THINK YOUR CLUB HAS ON THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OVER ON TAUNT STREET? UM, YES.
WE, NOT, WHAT, WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY BACK IN 2014.
UM, AT THAT TIME THEY WERE JUST, JUST, THAT WAS USED FOR, UM, ESPECIALLY VANS, WEDDINGS, QUINCEANERAS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UH, BUT LIKE I SAID, AT THAT TIME, THERE WAS A LOT OF ISSUES WITH HOMELESS PEOPLE, UH, THAT WERE JUST CUTTING THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
UM, THEY WERE LIVING BEHIND ON THE CREEK THAT IT'S, UM, LIKE BEHIND THE CLUB.
UM, IT WAS JUST, IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY BAD AT THAT TIME.
SO WHEN WE, UM, ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY, WE TALKED TO, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM AS WELL TO CLEAN UP THE, THE, THE CREEK THAT IT'S IN THE BACK.
THEY'VE BEEN USING OUR PROPERTY, UH, CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, IT'S BEEN USING OUR PROPERTY TO GO THROUGH AND, UH, CLEAN OUT THE, THE, THE BACK PORTION OF IT.
UH, LIKE I SAID, WE, UM, WE AGREED TO, UM, TO GATE THE ENTIRE, UH, PROPERTY.
SO THERE WILL BE, IT, IT WILL CUT OFF, YOU KNOW, UH, TRAFFIC OR PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE, WE TRY, I MEAN, WE KEEP IT CLEAN, WE KEEP IT NICE.
UH, WE TRYING TO, UM, MATTER OF FACT, WE, WE JUST HAD A MEETING ON TUESDAY WITH, UH, WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.
THEY'RE, UM, TALKING ABOUT DOING, UH, THE MILITARY CORRIDOR FOR THAT.
WE'RE, SO WE'RE TRYING TO OUR, DO OUR BEST TO GET THE, YOU KNOW, THE STREET, UH, LOOK NICE AND MORE ATTRACTIVE ALSO TO OUR, UM, CLIENTELE.
UM, I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THERE'S OTHER BUSINESS, UH, AROUND, THERE WAS, UM, THERE WAS PARTICULAR, THERE IS A, THERE WAS A CLUB, THERE WAS, UM, TWO, UM, THERE'S TWO BUSINESS DOWN FROM WHERE WE ARE.
UH, THEY DID, THEY HAD TO CLOSE THEM DOWN BECAUSE THEY WERE, THEY WERE DOING LIKE AFTER HOURS, LIKE, ESPECIALLY AFTER HOURS.
UM, SO THEY CLOSED THEM DOWN, UM, COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
THAT WAS ONE OF OUR MAIN CONCERNS THAT WE HAD.
SO I WORKED, UH, UH, ALONG WITH THE, ALSO WITH THE, UH, ATTORNEYS TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, CALL THE, CALL THEM IN AND SAY, HEY, I MEAN, THEY'RE WORKING WITH THAT.
'CAUSE THEY WERE WORKING WITHOUT PERMITS AND STUFF.
SO, UH, WE'VE BEEN, WE TRY TO, UH, KEEP OUR EYES OPEN JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD IS SAFE FOR EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR CLIENTS.
UM, IF THAT'S DURING ALL YOU GUYS HAVE DURING, UM, I WANT TO ADDRESS THIS ALSO.
DURING, UM, 2020 DURING THREE, UH, WE OPENED OUR BUSINESS FOR, UM, WE WERE GIVING OUT, UM, FOOD.
UH, WE WERE WORKING WITH, UH, SPECIAL WITH, UH, UH, CHARITIES TO PASS OUT FOOD.
OUR, UM, PLACE, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE HAVE A, A BIG PARKING LOT, SO THEY WILL, UH, WE CREATED, UM, IT WAS TUESDAYS AND UH, SATURDAY THAT WE WILL PASS THAT, UM, BOXES WITH FOOD.
UH, WE PARTNERSHIP WITH HUNGER BUSTERS AT THAT TIME TO HELP THE, UH, KIDS IN NEED.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, DURING CHRISTMAS, WE, UH, CELEBRATE, UH, SADA CHRISTMAS PARTY FOR THE KIDS AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.
SO WE TRY TO STAY ACTIVE, UH, UH, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TO TRY TO, UH, YOU KNOW, CREATE SOMETHING.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION ALSO THAT IT'S, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A FAMILY, UM, OWNED AND OPERATED BUSINESS.
UM, WE ALL, MY HUSBAND, UM, ALSO HAVE, UH, MY DAUGHTER, SHE'S ALSO INVOLVED IN THIS.
SO DURING THE NIGHT ON SATURDAY NIGHTS, WE'RE ALWAYS THERE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS RUNNING GOOD, THERE'S NO ISSUES WITH ANYTHING.
SO, UH, WE ALWAYS, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S NO, LIKE, WE'RE BEHIND, WE'RE IN THE FRONT OF THE BUSINESS.
UM, MY HUSBAND IS RUNNING THE PARKING LOT.
WE ALSO HAVE A, A TACO STANDING THERE.
SO, UH, AND MY DAUGHTER AND MYSELF WERE RUNNING THE,
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UH, YOU KNOW, THE NIGHT DUTIES INSIDE OF THE BUSINESS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS SAFE.DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPELLANT? UM, JUST A FEW, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO CUT OFF THE TIME.
DID YOU ALL HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? UM, UH, JUST I GUESS TO ADD ON TO THE, I BELIEVE IT WAS A PRIOR QUESTION ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE CLUB AND WHAT WE DO.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD ON THAT, UH, MEAN OUR, THE TYPE OF CLIENTELE THAT WE HAVE ISN'T, YOU KNOW, IN THE ALMOST 17 YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS, WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY OF LIKE THE COMMON ISSUES THAT YOU SEE WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, NIGHTCLUBS OR, UH, PLACES WHERE PEOPLE ARE DRINKING AND STUFF.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY SORT OF INCIDENTS WITH GUNS OR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE FIGHTING OUTSIDE.
WE'VE HAD THE, UH, WE HAVE HAD THE POLICE CALLED IN, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, UH, LIKE MY MOM MENTIONED, UH, THE PLACE THAT WAS DOWN THE STREET FOR, FOR TE UH, FOR, FOR, UH, THE, THE TE HOUSE PLACE.
YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD COME TO US AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE CALLED IN A PROBLEM.
IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S DOWN THE STREET.
SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT IN MY TIME THAT I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WORKING THERE AND HELPING MY PARENTS THERE.
I MEAN, I'VE NEVER WITNESSED, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE THESE SORT OF THINGS THAT YOU HEAR ABOUT IN DEEP L WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING SHOT, PEOPLE ARE GETTING HURT.
AND I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S ALWAYS SEEMED LIKE A VERY SAFE, VERY WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT TO HAVE FUN, WHICH IS VERY RARE THAT YOU HEAR ABOUT FOR LIKE A NIGHTCLUB.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOR ME GROWING UP I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, NIGHTCLUBS WERE KIND OF A LITTLE SCARY, AND IT'S THE, YOU KNOW, IT JUST KIND OF SEEMS LIKE SOME, LIKE EVERYONE'S HAVING LIKE A FUN PARTY IN THERE.
UM, LIKE MY, MY SON MENTIONED, WE DID HAVE, UH, WE, THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES THAT WE HAVE WHEN WITH THE FLU, TEXAS WAS AROUND BECAUSE THEY WERE USING OUR ADDRESS, UM, TO PUT ON THEIR, UH, FLYERS.
AND SO WHEN POLICE WILL COME, THEY WILL COME TO US.
BUT, UH, IT WAS, THEY WERE ACTUALLY GOING TO THE TEXAS CLUB.
SO THAT WAS HOW WE GOT CONNECTED WITH THE, UH, WITH THE, UH, CITY OF DALLAS, KNOWING THAT THERE, THIS OTHER PLACE WHERE, I MEAN, THEY WERE, UM, OPERATING WITHOUT PERMITS.
I THINK THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW.
WE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
YOU'VE GOT, AND YOU'VE GOT 15 MINUTES LEFT.
UM, REGARDING THE, UH, SPECIFICS OF THE MEASUREMENTS TAKEN, YOU SAID YOU USED A DRONE TO TAKE THESE MEASUREMENTS? YES, SIR.
AND WHEN TAKING THESE MEASUREMENTS, WERE YOU REFERRING TO THE DALLAS CITY CODE AS FAR AS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE MEASUREMENTS? OR WERE YOU JUST GOING FROM THE PROPERTY DOOR TO, UM, YOUR PROPERTY DOOR TO THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL AREA DOOR? UH, I WAS, UH, GOING FROM, UH, JUST THE EASIEST WAY THAT I COULD TAKE THE MEASUREMENT, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH ANY SORT OF, UH, CITY CODE.
SO MY PROCESS WAS JUST A SIMPLE PROCESS, BEING ABLE TO MEASURE AND GATHER A ROUGH ESTIMATE.
SO I WENT, UH, I'D TOOK, I WENT FROM VARIOUS POINTS ON THE PROPERTY AND JUST WENT, UH, I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T WANT TO BE RIGHT OVER, YOU KNOW, THEIR HOUSE WITH A DRONE.
SO I JUST GOT AS CLOSE AS I COULD TO KIND OF LIKE WHERE THEIR FENCED OFF AREA IS OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS WHERE I'M ASSUMING THE MEASUREMENT IS SUPPOSED TO BE TAKEN.
UM, THE CODE SPECIFICALLY STATES AND, UH, I, I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON ANY TOES IF THIS NEEDS TO BE DIRECTED, UM, IN DIRECT, BUT ON CROSS, UH, THE MEASUREMENTS ARE TO BE TAKEN FROM THE NEAREST POINT OF WHERE THE DANCE HALL IS LOCATED, UM, TO THE NEAREST BOUNDARY LINE OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND SO WITH THE EXHIBITS THAT WERE, UM, BROUGHT IN FROM THE, UH, FROM BIAS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE THOUSAND FEET RADIUS WAS CORRECT, BUT I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT WE WERE JUST, UH, MAKING THOSE UP AS FAR AS THE CITY.
UH, BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE WITHIN THE CODE, THE A THOUSAND FEET RADIUS REQUIREMENT WAS, UM, WAS MET.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO DENY THE A PERMIT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT UP.
BUT, UM, ANOTHER QUESTION, UH, JUST CURIOUS, WHY ARE YOU GUYS ONLY OPEN ON SATURDAYS? UH, WE'RE ONLY OPEN ON SATURDAYS, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THE, I MEAN, IT'S JUST OUR MOST PROFITABLE.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOT REALLY, OUR CLIENTELE'S JUST MORE LIKELY TO BE THERE ON SATURDAYS.
WE'VE TRIED OPENING ANOTHER NIGHTS, BUT IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE SAME.
WE KNOW WHAT DAYS THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DAY THEY CAN COME.
SO IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US AS A BUSINESS TO OPEN THREE DAYS OUT OF THE WEEKEND, YOU
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KNOW, YEAR ROUND.AND, UM, WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED THE BUSINESS, UM, DID YOU GUYS INSTALL ANY, UH, SOUND DAMPENING MEASURES OR, UH, COULD YOU GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT THOSE? UH, YEAH.
THE BUSINESS WAS OUTFITTED WITH, UH, THE, WELL, IT'S, UH, IT'S LIKE A SPRAY ON BONE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO, WELL STOP.
IT HELPS WITH INSULATION, BUT WE WERE ALSO TOLD THAT IT ACTS AS A SOUND DOWN THERE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S APPLIED ALL THROUGHOUT THE ROOF OF THE BUILDING IN BETWEEN THE WALLS OF THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UH, SO MEASURES, UH, WERE TAKEN.
WE ALSO, UH, WHEN WE SET UP THE SOUND SYSTEM, UH, WE, I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE A SOUND ENGINEER THAT, THAT WE HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, WORKS WITH US.
SO HE TRIES TO MITIGATE AS MUCH, YOU KNOW, SOUND LEAKAGE THAT WAY.
WE HAVE LIKE A GOOD, THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, JUST BLASTING THE SPEAKERS.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT SOUNDS GOOD AT A REASONABLE LEVEL THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE OUT, UH, JUST FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, JUST, JUST BEING OUTSIDE AND, YOU KNOW, WALKING TOWARDS THE, THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY WHEN THE MUSIC IS PLAYING, YOU ALREADY NOTICED A SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, UH, DROP IN THE SOUND LEVEL.
SO I'M SURE IF I, YOU KNOW, WENT OUT THROUGH THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY AND JUST STARTED WALKING TOWARDS THOSE HOUSES, I, YOU KNOW, WOULD, PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HEAR IT AFTER A WHILE.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS MOMENT.
UM, NOW GO ON TO, UH, BOARD QUESTIONING.
I WILL GO DOWN THE LIST BY PLACE.
UM, WE'LL EACH HAVE THREE MINUTES AND THEN TWO MINUTES.
UM, MS. THOMAS, UH, FIRST, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPELLANT? HELLO? YES.
UH, WHERE DID YOU ASK ME A QUESTION? UH, YES.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPELLANT? I DON'T AT THIS TIME.
UM, YES, LET ME BRING THEM UP.
UM, YOU MENTIONED, UH, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
I DO HAVE JUST A FEW QUESTIONS.
YOU MENTIONED THAT, UH, THIS OTHER BUSINESS THAT HAS HAD ISSUES AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PLACE HAS BEEN CALLED, UNFORTUNATELY TO YOUR LOCATION.
HOW FAR IS THIS BUSINESS? ARE THEY ON THE SAME PROPERTY, UH, AS YOUR BUSINESS? UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THESE, UH, THESE PICTURES WITH THE YELLOW LINES, THESE ARE ACTUALLY FROM THE, FROM THE, UH, THE DALLAS, UH, TO THE WEBSITE WHERE LIKE THE, WHERE YOU CAN DO THE LOTS.
IF YOU SEE OUR LOT, IT'S TWO LOTS OVER BEHIND THAT, UH, BEHIND THE SMALL LOT, UH, ON THE CORNER HERE.
I THINK SHE'S BRINGING THIS UP.
SO, YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE UPSIDE DOWN ON HERE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE OUR PROPERTY IS, WHICH IS THE ONE HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN, IF YOU GO OVER TO THE RIGHT TWO SPACES, THERE'S A SMALL PROPERTY IN THE FRONT, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE STREET.
THAT PROPERTY RIGHT BEHIND IT IS WHERE THAT, UH, THE CLUB TEJAS IS.
AND, UM, WE'VE NOT YET RECEIVED YOUR RENDERINGS OF THE MEASUREMENTS, BUT UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DID IT WITH A DRONE.
UM, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH OTHER BUSINESSES DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO TAKE MEASUREMENTS? UM, I, IS THAT WHY YOU TOOK THAT APPROACH? UH, WELL, I TOOK THAT APPROACH JUST, UH, UH, BECAUSE OF, UH, JUST RESEARCH THAT I DID ONLINE THAT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, HOW TO GET A, YOU KNOW, HOW TO DO A, LIKE A AERIAL MEASUREMENT.
I DIDN'T HAVE IT LIKE A RELIABLE WAY TO, YOU KNOW, MEASURE BY HAND, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF DISTANCE.
AND SO I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE MEASUREMENTS THAT THE CITY HAS PROVIDED, WHERE THAT LITTLE STAR IS, WHERE IS, WHAT IS THAT TO YOUR BUSINESS? IS THAT THE FRONT DOOR? UM, UH, WHERE THE LITTLE GREEN.IS ON OUR BUSINESS THAT'S RIGHT HERE.
UH, NO, SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE.
NO DOT, IT'S THE, UM, THAT'S THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, THE FRONT, THERE'S AN EXIT DOOR, THERE'S AN EMERGENCY EXIT CLOSE TO THERE, BUT THERE, THERE'S NO ONE GOES OUT THAT WAY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING ITSELF, THE PICTURE THAT WAS SUBMITTED, THE ONE IN THE FRONT, THAT'S WHERE THE PEOPLE COMES IN AND, AND GO IN AND OUT THE, IT'S TOWARDS THE FRONT OF MILITARY.
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HERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THAT THE, THE CITY HAS PROVIDED IS THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, CORRECT.THE BACK EDGE, I GUESS, OF THIS RECTANGULAR BUILDING, CORRECT? YES.
UM, AND YOU HAVE A SOUND ENGINEER YOU MENTIONED? YES, HE IS.
I MEAN, HE'S CONSTANTLY THERE JUST 'CAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY SOMETIMES WE HAVE DJS THAT'LL COME IN AND, YOU KNOW, MESS WITH IT.
BUT I MEAN, HE'S, UH, HE'S ACTUALLY A CLOSE FRIEND OF THE FAMILY, SO I MEAN, HE'S ALWAYS, UH, YOU KNOW, HE'S, HE'S ON HAND SHOULD WE HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE SOUND.
SO, I MEAN, HE'S, HE'S A PROFESSIONAL THAT WORKS WITH AUDIO AND I'M, I MEAN, HE, UH, WE'VE INVESTED A LOT INTO HAVING, YOU KNOW, GOOD QUALITY EQUIPMENT THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN, CAN HANDLE BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, SOUND GOOD WITHOUT HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, JUST RESORT TO CRANKING UP THE VOLUME.
AND THEN HOW MANY, ALL RIGHT, THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S YOUR TIME FOR THIS ROUND, UH, VICE CHAIR.
UM, MR. CILLA, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? I DO, MR. CHAIR.
UM, I WANTED TO GO BACK, I GUESS ACTUALLY LOOKING THROUGH THE CITY'S EXHIBIT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK THROUGH IT, BUT IT WAS PROVIDED TO US.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO FOCUS ON WAS THE NOISE VIOLATIONS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN 2024.
HAVE YOU, ARE YOU AWARE, DID YOU LOOK AT THOSE, UH, THE EXHIBIT THAT THEY PROVIDED TO US? UM, YES.
AND THOSE WERE THE ONES WHERE, UM, THAT'S WHEN THE CLUB TEXAS WAS AROUND.
UM, AND THOSE WERE ACTUALLY COMING.
UM, WE DID HAVE POLICE COME OVER AND, UM, THAT'S WHEN THEY IDENTIFIED THAT THEY WERE COMING FROM TEXAS CLUB.
UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL INCIDENTS, UM, WHERE THEY HAD IT.
UM, THEY HAD IT TO BE THERE, UH, DURING THE NIGHT, SO THERE WAS ALSO NIGHTS, UH, LIKE I SAID, WE ALL ONLY OPENED SATURDAYS AND THERE WERE ALSO NIGHTS THAT THAT, THAT WERE CALLING COMPLAINING ABOUT OR NOISE COMPLAINING THAT THEY WAS ON A FRIDAY OR ANY OTHER DAY EXCEPT FOR THE SATURDAYS.
SO THOSE, THOSE ARE THE, THE, THE COMPLAINTS THAT ARE IN THERE.
AND THE ONES THAT WERE FOR SATURDAY WERE SPECIFICALLY COMING FROM THE TEXAS, 'CAUSE THAT'S, UH, FROM THE TECH HAS, UM, CLUB.
'CAUSE THEY, UH, I MEAN, POLICE ENDED UP GOING TO, I MEAN, TO THEM BECAUSE THEY WENT TO CHECK ON US.
THERE WAS, UH, THEY CLOSED THAT DOWN.
SO THAT'S WHEN WE MENTIONED TO THEM, HEY, I MEAN, THIS OTHER PEOPLE ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE, UH, EVENTS AND THEY WERE NOT DOING IT INSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THEY WERE DOING IT ON THE OUTSIDE.
YEAH, I MEAN, I'M DOING A QUICK LOOK AT THE CALENDAR.
IT LOOKS LIKE SEPTEMBER 1ST WOULD'VE BEEN A SUNDAY MORNING, SO THAT COULD HAVE BEEN YOU GUYS, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT WAS CLUB TEXAS? YES.
UM, ACTUALLY, UM, THERE WAS, AND THEN I'M LOOKING AT, WELL, JUST REAL QUICK, BECAUSE I, AND I'M LOOKING AT SEPTEMBER 26TH.
WELL, LET'S SEE, SEPTEMBER 1ST IS, THAT'S THE WRONG DATE.
LOOKS LIKE, UH, SEPTEMBER 26TH WAS A ACTUALLY A THURSDAY.
SO YOU GUYS WERE NOT OPERATING THURSDAY MORNING? NO, WE DON'T.
WE, LIKE I SAID, WE ONLY OPERATE ON, UH, SATURDAY.
AND THEN, BUT THE 13TH OF OCTOBER IS A LOUD, LOOKS LIKE A LOUD MUSIC DISTURBANCE.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT WOULD'VE NOT BEEN YOU GUYS? UH, NO.
UM, ACTUALLY, UM, THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE NIGHTS THAT, UH, WE HAD A, UM, THERE WERE, THERE WERE, THE POLICE CAME INTO, THERE WAS POLICE, AND I THINK WE WAS FIRED THAT CAME INTO OUR PROPERTY.
BUT THEN, UH, CLUB TEXAS WAS HAVING A BIG EVENT ON THE PARKING LOT.
THEY ACTUALLY, I ACTUALLY HAD TO CALL THE POLICE TOO, BECAUSE THEY WERE BLOCKING THE STREETS, UM, MILITARY STREET.
AND SO I WAS THE ONE THAT CALLED THE POLICE.
THEY WENT IN INTO OUR PROPERTY.
BUT THEN THAT'S WHEN THEY, UH, LIKE I SAID, AGAIN, WE MENTIONED THAT THEY WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT THE TEXAS AND THE POLICE SAW IT RIGHT IN THEM BECAUSE, UM, OUR CLIENT, WE HAVE A BIG PARKING LOT, SO OUR CLIENTELE, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PARK ON THE STREETS.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO PARK ANYWHERE.
'CAUSE WE HAVE OUR OWN PARKING.
AND THIS OTHER PLACE DIDN'T HAVE NO, NO, I MEAN, NO PARKING.
SO THE PEOPLE WILL PARK ON THE STREET.
THEY WILL BLOCK OUR, UM, THAT THE MAIN REASON THAT OUR CALLING THAT DAY 'CAUSE THEY WERE BLOCKING OUR, UH, DRIVE, UM, OR THE WAY TO GET IN AND TO GET OUT FROM OUR PROPERTY.
SO, UM, AND, AND SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF BECAUSE OF LIMITED TIME, BUT THE YEP.
UH, MR. JEFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPELLANT? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
MR. HAYES, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME? UM, YES.
I ADMIT THAT I WAS ONLY ABLE TO SKIM THE DOCUMENTATION FROM THE CITY'S PACKAGE LAST NIGHT.
SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS CORRECT.
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IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING YOU HAVE BEEN OPERATING AS A LATE NIGHT DANCE HALL AND THAT THIS ISSUE OF THE THOUSAND FEET JUST CAME UP ON THIS RENEWAL OF YOUR PERMIT, OR IS MY UNDERSTANDING INCORRECT? UM, YES.WE'VE BEEN, UH, WE'VE, LIKE, WE'VE BEEN AT, AT THAT PROPERTY FOR, UM, WE, WE USED TO BE ON LAMAR AND THEN WE MOVED TO, UM, MILITARY ON 20, ON 2017.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHEN WE, UM, START, UM, BUSINESS AT, AT THAT ADDRESS.
AND WE DID, UH, WE HAD OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR YEARLY, UM, DANCE HALL PERMIT THEN DURING COVID.
UM, WE WERE CLOSED FOR ALMOST A YEAR.
UM, SO AT THAT TIME WE, UH, WE DIDN'T RENEW FOR THAT YEAR, AND THEN AFTER THAT WE HAD TO RENEW.
UH, AS A, AS A POINT OF INFORMATION, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, ONLY NOT REPRESENTING ANYBODY ELSE, WE'VE HAD THIS ISSUE COME UP BEFORE ABOUT WHERE DO YOU MEASURE THE THOUSAND FEET FROM, UH, AND THE ENTRANCE VERSUS THE FARTHEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING.
AND IT JUST AS A POINT OF INFORMATION, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS BODY DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE THE WAY IT'S MEASURED.
AND IF YOU ALL WANT TO TRY, IF, IF WE SHOULD OVERRULE AND YOU ALL GET YOUR LATE NIGHT PERMIT, AND GOING FORWARD, YOU MAY WANT TO TRY WORKING THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, AS TO HOW THAT ORDINANCE IS INTERPRETED, WHETHER YOU'RE MEASURING FROM THE CORNER OR THE ENTRANCE OR WHATEVER.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MY PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE.
MR. QUAINT, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPELLANT? I DIDN'T HEAR YOU, BUT I SAW YOUR MOUTH SAY NO QUESTIONS.
UH, UM, I, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
AND I'M LOOKING AT, UM, THIS DOCUMENT, UM, THE, THE BLUE LINE THAT'S ON THIS DOCUMENT, UM, WAS THAT ACTUALLY MEASURED IN THIS SOFTWARE? UH, IT WAS MEASURED WITH THAT SOFTWARE, BUT, UH, WE DIDN'T JUST RELY ON THAT.
WE, UH, WE USED A, THE, THE ROTARY MEASURING TOOL, AND WE WENT OUTSIDE AND CONDUCTED THESE MEASUREMENTS, YOU KNOW, OURSELVES.
AND, UH, TO THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE, THEY'RE APPROXIMATELY ACCURATE WITHIN OKAY.
YOU KNOW, FIVE TO 10 FEET OF THIS, MAAM.
SO, SO YOU CONFIRMED THAT, BUT THE THOUSAND 83.7 FEET THAT IT SAYS ON HERE WAS GENERATED FROM THE SOFTWARE? YEAH, THAT WAS GENERATED THROUGH THE SOFTWARE THAT JUST BECAUSE WE HAD NO OTHER WAY OF MEASURING.
AND JUST TO MAKE SURE, THESE, THESE POINTS, THE ARROWS YOU'RE MEASURING FROM THE FRONT DOOR OF THE CLUB TO THE FRONT DOOR OF THAT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
UM, IN BETWEEN, UH, I I, IS THAT TRAIN TRACKS WHERE IT SAYS KANSAS CITY SOUTHERN? YES.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, THE, THE, THE TRAIL TRACKS IN THERE.
IS THAT ACTIVE WITH TRAINS ON IT? YES.
UM, HOW OFTEN DO TRAINS GO THROUGH THE UH, THEY'RE PRETTY, UM, WE'RE THERE, I'M THERE DURING THE WEEK, YOU KNOW, WORKING AT THE OFFICE, AND I CAN HEAR 'EM, UH, PROBABLY DURING MY TIME, I'LL SAY ONE OR TWO TIMES IN THE, IN THE AFTERNOON, NIGHTTIME.
UM, I JUST DON'T WANNA GIVE YOU A NUMBER WITHOUT BEING CORRECT, BUT I SEEN THEM AND ON SATURDAY NIGHTS WHEN WE'RE THERE, THERE'S TIMES THAT THERE, THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S BEING ACTIVE AS WELL.
AND THEN, UM, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT PEOPLE, LIKE FROM YOUR PARKING LOT COULD, I DON'T KNOW, WALK, I GUESS THEY COULDN'T DRIVE, BUT WALK OVER TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? NO.
OR ANY DIRECT, UH, LIKE I SAID, UM, RIGHT BEHIND OUR PROPERTY, IT'S A CREEK, SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO ACCESS.
ACTUALLY, WE HAVE TO FACILITATE OUR PROPERTY TO CITY OF DALLAS TO GO THROUGH WHENEVER THEY WANNA GO AND, YOU KNOW, CHECK ON THE BACK OF THE, OF THAT PROPERTY.
SO THEY HAVE TO CUT, CUT THROUGH OUR PROPERTY TO GO BACK TO THAT, UM, TO THAT AREA.
AND THEN OFF TO, UH, I GUESS THE LEFT OF ALL THESE IMAGES FOR SOMEBODY TO GET TO DRIVE FROM YOUR PROPERTY TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD,
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I SEE THE ONLY EXIT TO YOUR PROPERTY IS MILITARY PARKWAY.AND THEN WHERE WOULD THEY HAVE TO GO? YES, YOU WOULD GO, UH, DOWN MILITARY TOWARDS DOLPHIN.
YOU WOULD MAKE, UH, A LEFT ON DOLPHIN, UH, DRIVE STRAIGHT, UH, FOR A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN YOU WOULD SEE THE, THE ENTRANCE INTO THAT.
UH, UH, I'M NOT TOO FAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT'S LIKE A, I KNOW THERE'S A CUL-DE-SAC THERE.
IT'S JUST A, IT'S JUST LIKE A STREET.
IT IS A STRAIGHT ROAD WITH THEN, THEN THE END OF THAT CUL-DE-SAC WITH THOSE HOUSES.
SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT REALLY A WAY FOR ANYONE TO WALK THERE OR DRIVE AROUND.
THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH, WE HAVE TO EXIT OUR PROPERTY AND GO, YOU KNOW, TO TOWARDS THE STREETS.
UM, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THE LIST AGAIN AND ANYBODY WHO HASN'T ASKED QUESTIONS, WHO WANTS TO ASK QUESTIONS IN THE SECOND ROUND.
CAN, UM, MS. THOMAS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? NO, I DO NOT.
UH, VICE CHAIR TORRES, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I DO.
UM, I WANTED JUST TO CONFIRM YOUR OFFICIAL CLOSING TIME IS, IS IT 3:00 AM 2:00 AM WE, WE, WE STOPPED SELLING ALCOHOL AT 2:00 AM AND PEOPLE STARTED LEAVING IN BETWEEN, UH, TWO AND 3:00 AM.
BUT WHAT TIME DO YOU TELL EVERYBODY WE'RE CLOSED? LIKE, WHAT DO YOU ADVERTISE? WE, WE, WE, WE TELL THEM, I MEAN, WE, THEY CAN, THEY, LIKE, LIKE I SAID, WE ALSO HAVE THE TACO STAND IN THE FRONT, SO PEOPLE START LEAVING.
THEY GO AND TAKE, YOU KNOW, GO TO THE TACO STAND.
SO ACTUALLY OUR, THE GATE CLOSES AT 3 45, 4.
SO BY, I MEAN, BY FOUR WE'RE FINISHED CONDUCTING BUSINESS AT, YOU KNOW, UH, IN GENERAL.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE TACOS.
AND THEN, BUT USUALLY WHENEVER, ONE, THE DANCE HALL, WE'LL START, YOU KNOW, FLASHING THE LIGHTS AND TELLING EVERYONE, HEY, WE GOTTA GO.
BECAUSE AT LIKE 3 30, 3 45, THAT WAY EVERYONE'S OUT OF THE BUILDING BY FOUR.
BUT WE DO ADVERTISE THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, TECHNICALLY OPEN UNTIL FOUR.
BUT THAT'S JUST INCLUDING EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND I THINK, OH, HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN YOU FIT IN THIS LOCATION? UM, WE HAVE OUR CAPACITY, UH, CERTIFICATE OCCUPANCY AT NINE THIRTY, NINE HUNDRED AND THIRTY PEOPLE.
UM, AND THINK THAT THAT WAS IT.
UM, MR. ILLA, DO YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? YEAH, I HAD A QUESTION IN REGARD TO THE, SO I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
YOU WERE APPLYING FOR A LATE NIGHT, UH, PERMIT, BUT YOU CURRENTLY OPERATE WITHOUT A LATE NIGHT PERMIT.
AM I ACCURATE ON THAT, WHAT YOU JUST TESTIFIED TO? UM, WE, 'CAUSE WE HAVE THE, THE, THE TACO STAND IN THE, UM, IN THE FRONT.
SO PEOPLE START LEAVING THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING AROUND, UM, SAY 2 33 IN THE MORNING, BUT THEY GO OUT TO THE TACO STAND, SO, AND WE START TELLING PEOPLE IT'S, IT'S AN, IT'S AN OUTDOOR, IT'S NOT INSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
BUT L JUST TO BE MORE PRECISE ABOUT WHAT VICE CHAIR HAD ASKED YOU, THE ACTUAL DANCE HALL, YOU'RE ADVERTISING THAT IT'S OPEN TILL FOUR O'CLOCK? OR ARE YOU ADVERTISING THAT IT'S OPEN TILL TWO O'CLOCK? NO, WE DO ADVERTISE THAT IT'S, WE'RE OPEN TILL FOUR BECAUSE OF THE TOPIC THAT WE HAVE.
BUT THAT, BUT YOU, BUT FOR THE DANCE HALL PERMIT THAT YOU'RE APPLYING FOR, YOU DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A DANCE HALL PERMIT TO BE OPEN PAST 2:00 AM IS THAT ACCURATE? CORRECT.
UM, AND THEN WHAT ABOUT SECURITY? CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME SECURITY? YES, WE HAVE, DO YOU USE A THIRD PARTY? IS IT ONLY THE FAMILY? HOW DOES THAT WORK? NO, IT'S NOT THE FAMILY.
WE DO HAVE, UM, STAFF, UM, SECURITY THAT IT'S, THAT IT'S IN CHARGE.
UM, WE HAVE STAFF THAT IT'S INSIDE OF THE BUILDING AND ALSO WE HAVE STAFF THAT IT'S OUTSIDE.
UM, THEY, WE ALL, WE HAVE PROTOCOLS ON HOW TO HANDLE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ISSUE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE A HEAD OF THE, UM, SECURITY IS IN CHARGE OF THEIR, HIS PEOPLE.
SO, UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE IT'S 12, UM, SECURE THAT WE HAVE.
SO THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE OF THE CAPACITY THAT WE HAVE, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS RUNNING SMOOTHLY, LIKE I SAID, IN INSIDE AND OUTSIDE.
AND THEN LASTLY, DO YOU OWN THE TACO STAND OR IS THAT A THIRD PARTY
UH, MR. JEFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.
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THANK JEFF.MR. HAYES, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? NO, CHAIR.
HEY, MR. QUINT, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, YOU'RE ON MUTE, MR. QUINT.
I CAN SENSE YOU'RE SAYING SOMETHING VERY ELOQUENT, BUT WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
AM I ON MUTED NOW? YES, I CAN HEAR YOU NOW.
I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS.
UM, BEHIND THE PROPERTY, IT APPEARS, IS THAT A TRUCK YARD, UH, BEHIND OUR, UH, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
NO, THERE SHOULDN'T, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT REALLY ANYTHING BACK THERE.
WHAT, WHAT'S THAT ADJACENT, WHAT'S THAT IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO YOUR PROPERTY? ON THE LEFT? UM, ON THE LEFT? YES.
UM, IT'S, IT'S A DRIVE IT TO THE NO TO, TO THE LEFT.
IT'S, UH, THEY, IT'S A CLUB CLUB.
IT'S CALLED CLUB CHA CHACHA, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE, UM, YEAH, THEY HAVE, THEY PARK LIKE TRUCKS.
THEY PARKED TRUCKS IN THERE THAT THEY, YEAH, WE'RE NOT REALLY FAMILIAR WITH EVERYTHING THAT, I JUST KNOW THAT IT'S LIKE A CLUB.
THEY HAVE A, A SORT OF SOME SORT OF BAR THERE.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME BIG SEMI TRUCKS TO THE LEFT OF THE PROPERTY GOING TOWARDS THAT HOUSE, SO, YES.
UH, YEAH, THAT'S, UH, AND THAT'S ON THEIR PROPERTY, SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE.
I, I'VE ACTUALLY, UH, I DON'T REALLY SEE THEM GO IN AND OUT, SO THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE DURING THE WEEK WHILE I'M INSIDE OR SOMETHING, BECAUSE WE DON'T, I DON'T SEE THEM REALLY MOVE THAT OFTEN, ACTUALLY.
SO THEY'RE JUST SITTING THERE.
THAT WAS ONE MY SECOND QUESTION IS, UM, IT APPEARS LIKE THERE'S A BUNCH OF TREES AND FOLIAGE BETWEEN YOUR PROPERTY AND THAT HOUSE.
IT'S, UH, I MEAN, IT'S HEAVILY, UH, UH, FOREST THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF TREES.
I MEAN, IF YOU, YOU GO BACK THERE, THERE'S REALLY ONLY KIND OF ONE PATH THAT'S CUT OUT, WHICH IS WHAT I'M GUESSING THE CITY USES TO GET BACK THERE, BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S NOT REALLY A WAY THROUGH THERE.
UNLESS YOU GO THROUGH THAT PATH.
SO THERE'S SUFFICIENT BALINE BETWEEN THE FOLIAGE AND YOUR, THE HOUSE? YES.
UH, I DO NOT HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE CITY'S PRESENTATION.
UM, AND YOU HAVE 27 MINUTES, OUR FIRST AND ONLY WITNESS, THE
CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME FOR THE RECORD? DETECTIVE MONROE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, BY STUDENT.
AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN EMPLOYED WITH, UM, THE DALLAS STATE? BEEN WORKING FOR THE DALLAS BLUE DEPARTMENT FOR 28 YEARS.
UH, BEEN WORKING WITH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
CURRENTLY I'M WORKING WITH THE, UH, DALLAS POLICE ADVICE UNIT, UH, LICENSING UNIT, WHICH, UM, UH, PROCESS THE APPLICATIONS FOR, UH, MULTIPLE, UH, BUSINESSES.
ONE OF THESE WOULD BE A DANCE OFF, UH, LAID OUT.
AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN THE VICE UNIT? BEEN WORKING WITH VICE UNIT FOR APPROXIMATELY FOUR YEARS NOW.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE BUSINESS KNOWN AS 12 LOS
I'VE ACTUALLY, UM, MET, MET WITH THE OWNERS, BEEN OUT TO THE PROPERTY, UH, TAKEN A COUPLE OF PICTURES AND DONE A LITTLE BIT SOME OF THE, THE RESEARCH HERE.
AND DID YOU REVIEW THE APPLICATION THAT THE CLUB SUBMITTED FOR THE LATE HOURS PERMIT? YES, I DID.
THE, UH, DETECTIVE THAT ACTUALLY OVERSAW THE, UH, SUBMITTED, SUBMITTED THAT.
AND TURNING TO TAB ONE OF THE CITY FINDER, CAN YOU BRIEFLY DESCRIBE THE APPLICANT'S APPLICATION HISTORY ON 11TH, UM, NOVEMBER OF 27TH, 24, NEW DANCE HALL LATE HOURS APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED.
ADVICE IN DECEMBER, UH, REQUESTED A ZONING AND LAND SURVEY BE COMPLETED FOR BUSINESS DUE TO IT BEING A NEW APPLICATION.
UM, ON DECEMBER THE FIFTH, UH, WE RECEIVED CITY OF DALLAS ZONING SURVEY FOR COMMERCIAL USE ON JANUARY 9TH.
RECEIVED THE CITY DALLAS LAND SURVEY, UH, ON THE JAN ON JANUARY 30TH, 2025.
THAT'S ALL LICENSE WAS AC COED AT LATE HOURS WAS DENIED.
UM, ONE 30TH LATE HOUR DENIAL LETTER WAS SENT OUT, UH, VIA CERTIFIED MAIL, UM, FEBRUARY 7TH.
WE REQUESTED PLA DURING SCHEDULED FOR MARCH, WHICH WAS LATER ON, UH,
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UH, JUNE TO, TO TODAY'S DATE.NOW, CAN YOU TURN TO TAB THREE OF THE CITY BINDER, PLEASE? IS THIS THE APPLICATION FOR THE DAN HALL LATE HOURS PERMIT THAT YOU REVIEWED? YES, IT IS.
AND WHY DID YOU DENY THE LATE HOURS PERMIT? THE LATE HOURS IS AN AUTOMATIC, UH, IT'S A FORMALITY, IT'S AN AUTOMATIC DENIAL.
THE, UH, WITH THE
SO IT'S JUST AN AUTOMATIC DENIAL AND IS A DENIAL FOR THAT LATE HOUR OR THAT LOCATION.
UM, DISCRETIONARY, THERE WAS NO DISCRETIONARY, UH, THAT WOULD TAKE, IT'S JUST THE
AND NOW, CAN YOU TURN TO TAB SIX OF THE BINDER? CAN YOU EXPLAIN, THIS IS THE AERIAL FOOTAGE.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE PICTURE SHOWS REGARDING HOW YOU MEASURED THE PROPERTY TO DETERMINE THAT IT WAS WITHIN THE 1000 FEET OF THE RESIDENCE? UM, THAT TA THERE'S A, UH, I, I PUT THERE THE, UH, I THINK IT'S A FOURTH PICTURE WHERE THERE YOU HAVE THE, UH, UM, BIG CIRCLE THAT'S GONNA BE THE SURVEY THAT IS DONE BY THE CITY THAT SHOWS THAT THE PROPERTY OR CLOSEST PROPERTY IS WITHIN, UH, LESS THAN A THOUSAND FEET.
SO THAT'S, THAT WAS OUR AUTOMATIC DENIAL.
NOW, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THEY MEASURED IT OR IF IT'S MEASURED TO THE END OF THE PROPERTY, BUT ON THOSE PICTURES, I ACTUALLY PUT IN A PICTURE OF THE, UH, OF THE FENCE LINE WHERE THE CLOSEST HOUSES TO THAT FENCE LINE, WHICH YOU SEE THAT THERE IS A LOT OF VEGETATION TRAIN AND A LOT OF, UH, BUFFERING ZONE BETWEEN THAT PROPERTY TO THE BUSINESS.
UM, GOES IT ALSO PUT IN THERE PICTURE OF HOW THE PROPERTY LOOKS.
THE, UH, THE, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT PICTURE NUMBER TWO, IT SHOWS THE DISTANCE OR A VIEW OF THE PARKING LOT.
IT'S BIG, MASSIVE PARKING LOT.
IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, DO YOU BELIEVE THIS BUSINESS CREATES A PUBLIC SAFETY PROBLEM IF IT OPERATES DURING LATE HOURS? UM, NO.
THE RESEARCH THAT I DID, UH, THIS PROPERTY HAD NO POLICE REPORTS GENERATED FOR WHOLE YEAR FROM WHEN I STARTED DOING.
THEY, THEY'VE ACTUALLY, THERE'VE BEEN SOME 9 1 1 CALLS, UH, BUT A LOT OF THESE 9 1 1 CALLS WERE MADE WHEN THE BUSINESS WAS CLOSED, UH, WHEN THE BUSINESS WAS NOT OPERATING.
UH, AND WHEN WE MADE CONTACT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER FROM RES, THEY ACTUALLY, UH, LED US INTO ALLOWING, WELL POINTED OUT THAT A LOT OF THESE, UH, LOUD NOISES, LOUD MUSIC, A LOT OF THESE COMPLAINTS WERE COMING IN FROM A, AFTER OUR, UH, THAT WAS JUST PRETTY CLOSE TO THEM.
UH, WE ACTUALLY WORKED ON THAT PLACE.
UH, WE WERE ABLE TO SHUT 'EM DOWN DALLAS POLICE ALONGSIDE WITH, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT.
UH, WE MADE TWO, UH, ONE ARREST THERE ABOUT THAT, OR WHAT THEY WERE DOING, DOING AFTER HOURS.
BUT BACK TO THE QUESTION, NO, WE, UH, I HAVEN'T HAD ANY, WHICH IS, I HAVEN'T SEEN IN ANY OTHER CLUB.
USUALLY CLUBS WILL HAVE ISSUES WITH DISTURBANCES OR POLICE REPORTS.
THIS ONE HASN'T HAD ANY, ANY AT ALL, WHICH IS REALLY SURPRISING.
AND I CHECKED ON THE LATE HOURS AS WELL, CALLS COMING OUT AT THE, AT THE 2:00 AM THERE WAS A CALL.
SO ASIDE FROM THE LOCATION RESTRICTION OF BEING WITHIN THE 1000 FEET OF THE RESIDENCE, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY OTHER ANCE TO DENY THAT, UM, BALANCE THE APPLICANT'S DANCE HALL LAID? I WAS T AT THIS, NO, I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER REASON WHY.
UM, I KNOW THEY'VE WORKED, I'VE TALKED TO, TRIED TO TALK TO VALE THERE, AND I KNOW THEY HAVE, UM, UBERS.
SO THEY TRY, TRY TO HELP OUT THE CUSTOMERS.
I KNOW THEY'RE, UH, GIVING OUT WATERS, A LOT OF WATERS AND TRY TO GET UBERS FOR ANYBODY OUT THERE IF, IF THEY NEED TO.
BUT AGAIN, UH, I DON'T SEE ANY POLICE REPORTS.
AND THEN OPERATING ONLY ONE DAY OF THE WEEK WITH, UM, YOU DON'T SEE
UH, NO FURTHER QUESTION IN THE CITY REST.
UM, DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UH, DETECTIVE MONTREAL? YOU HAVE 15 MINUTES OF COMPLETE? UH, NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
AND WE'LL PROCEED WITH BOARD QUESTIONING FOR THE DETECTIVE.
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UM, MS. THOMAS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND I'M SORRY, BUT IF YOU'RE SPEAKING, YOU'RE ON MUTE.UH, VICE CHAIR TORRES, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY OR THE DETECTIVE? I DO.
THANK YOU DETECTIVE MORRELL FOR BEING HERE.
UM, AND A BOARD MEMBER DID MENTION THAT THIS HAS COME UP AND IT MAY CONTINUE TO COME UP, BUT, UM, YOU HIRE A LAND SURVEYOR CORRECT.
TO GO AND TAKE THESE MEASUREMENTS.
UM, DO YOU KNOW, OR DO YOU HAVE WHAT THE LAND SURVEYOR IS INSTRUCTED TO DO? LIKE, NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE AN INSTRUCTION.
ALL WE DO IS SUBMIT THE REQUEST FOR A LAND SERVER E TO BE DONE.
SO I HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE CITY CONDUCTS THAT SURVEY.
IS IT LIKE A SEPARATE DEPARTMENT, BUT DOES IT IT WORK FOR THE CITY OR THEY'RE INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS? IT'S A SEPARATE DEPARTMENT.
UH, UH, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, MA'AM.
SO THE CITY HAS ITS OWN LAND SURVEYORS, UM, AND THEY'VE CHOSEN TO, FOR EXAMPLE, TAKE THE MEASUREMENT FROM THE BACK OF THE BUILDING TO, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST HOUSE.
CORRECT? I THINK I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THEY TAKE THEIR MEASUREMENTS.
I THINK THIS QUESTION WAS AROSE A WHILE BACK.
UH, WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S AT THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY TO THE EDGE OF THE, OF BOTH PROPERTIES.
SO, UM, YEAH, IF I, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE, UM, THIS IS MY FIRST HEARING, BUT DO THE, UH, UM, RULES OF EVIDENCE APPLY HERE? NO.
UM, BASED ON THE CODE, THE MEASUREMENTS ARE TAKEN FROM THE STRUCTURE, UH, THE NEAREST PART OF THE STRUCTURE THAT'S CLOSEST TO THE, UM, RESIDENTIAL, UH, NEAREST RESIDENTIAL BOUNDARY.
UM, AND WHEN IT COMES TO THIS PARTICULAR, UM, STRUCTURE, THE BACK END POINT, THE STAR, UM, WHERE WE SEE ON THE, UM, ON THE EXHIBITS, THE STAR IS PLACED ON THE BACK END OF THE STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT IS THE NEAREST POINT OF THE RESIDENT HALL THAT IS USED FOR DAN'S PURPOSES.
THAT'S THE NEAREST POINT TO THE, UM, NEXT RESIDENTIAL BOUNDARY LINE, THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL BOUNDARY LINE.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE THOUSAND FEET COMES INTO PLAY.
UM, SO IT'S NOT THE FRONT END OF THE HOUSE OR THE FRONT END OF THE STRUCTURE.
IT'S, I GUESS, NON-DISCRETIONARY.
WHAT'S THE CLOSEST PART OF THE STRUCTURE BEING USED AS A DANCE HALL TO THE NEAREST BOUNDARY LINE OF A RESIDENTIAL, UM, ZONING AREA? AND, AND I THINK WE'VE HAD THIS COME UP BEFORE BECAUSE IN THIS ORDINANCE, IT'S THE CLOSEST TWO POINTS AND THERE ARE ARE OTHER CITY ORDINANCES WHERE IT'S LIKE THE FRONT DOOR.
OR THE ENTRANCE VERSUS THE BUILDING.
BUT FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS ORDINANCE, IT'S THE CLOSEST TWO POINTS.
AND WELL, I GUESS, AND DETECTIVE MORALE OUTSIDE OF THE, THAT YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S NO OTHER REASON FOR DENIAL OF THE PERMIT.
I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER, UH, REASON FOR DENIAL.
UM, AND, UH, MR. JEFFERSON HAS JOINED THE MEETING.
MR. JEFFERSON, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY OR DETECTIVE MONTREAL? I THINK YOU SAID NO QUESTIONS, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.
SO, UH, MR. CILLA, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UH, NO, MR. CHAIR? THANK YOU.
UH, MR. JEFFS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE DETECTIVE? I DO NOT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE DETECTIVE OR THE CITY? NO QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANT TO THANK DETECTIVE RE FOR HIS SERVICE AND FOR AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION THIS MORNING.
UM, I, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION AND THAT IS, IF YOU COULD HAVE APPROVED THIS PERMIT, WOULD YOU HAVE APPROVED THIS PERMIT? THANK YOU.
UM, I, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH REALLY QUICKLY AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE NOBODY HAS ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
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I MAY HAVE MISSED THIS IN THE PRESENTATION, UH, HOWEVER, I'M STILL KIND OF UNCLEAR AND I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS, UH, TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.UM, I WONDERED WHETHER OR NOT THEY THOUGHT THERE WAS ADEQUATE SECURITY AT THIS FACILITY WHEN THEY'RE IN OPERATION FOR THEIR CURRENT HOURS AND LATE HOURS.
I WANNA SAY THEY'RE DOING WHAT, UH, THEY NEED TO BE DONE.
'CAUSE THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY, AGAIN, ANY, ANY POLICE REPORTS GENERATED ON THAT PROPERTY FROM THAT BUSINESS.
SO THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT? THEY'RE WORKING WITH PEOPLE, THEY'RE WORKING WITH THEIR CLIENTELE.
'CAUSE I'VE, I DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, STARBUCKSES GOING ON IN THAT, AT THAT PROPERTY.
SO EITHER THE FAMILY OR WHATEVER THEIR, THEIR, HOWEVER THEY'RE WORKING, THEIR UH, CLIENTELE SEEMS TO BE WORKING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, CASE ON ANY CASES OF, ALL RIGHT.
UH, VICE CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? I DO NOT.
THANK YOU, MR. JEFFS NO QUESTIONS.
MR. HAYES? NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
CHAIR, MR. QUINT? NO, THANK YOU, CHAIR.
ALL RIGHT, THEN, UH, WORD TO CLOSING STATEMENTS.
UM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A, A BRIEF CLOSING STATEMENT FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES.
UM, I JUST WANNA ADDRESS THAT WE'RE A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS.
UM, IF ANY OF YOU, YOU, UH, MAY WANNA VISIT, WE ARE GONNA SEE OUR FACES THERE.
MY HUSBAND IS RUNNING, UH, THE PARKING LOT AND MAKING SURE EVERYTHING IS RUNNING CORRECTLY.
MY SON IS ON THE T ON THE TACO STAND, AND MY DAUGHTER IS RUNNING THE, THE FRONT.
WHILE WE TRY TO HAVE A REALLY GOOD COMMUNICATION WITH OUR CLIENTELE, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR OVER 17 YEARS, AND OUR CLIENTELE HAS BEEN REALLY LOYAL AND, UH, SEEN THEM COMING BACK EVERY SATURDAY.
AND, UM, LIKE I SAID, IT'S, WE'RE CREATING A, A, YOU KNOW, A REALLY GOOD FRIENDSHIP WITH THEM.
AND WE TAKE, WE TRY TO TAKE CARE OF THEM.
THAT'S, UH, WE OFFER THEM, LIKE I SAID, IF WE SEE THEY'RE NOT CAPABLE OF DRIVING, WE OFFER THEM UBERS.
WE TRY TO CALL, UH, OTHER FRIENDS THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SOLVER SO THEY CAN TAKE THEM HOME.
UM, WE TRY TO TAKE CARE OF OUR PROPERTY AS WELL TO MAINTAIN IT IN A GOOD, YOU KNOW, MANNER.
UH, TRY TO WORK WITH THE CITY AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO, UH, KEEP THE PROPERTY VALUE UP.
WE DON'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I ALWAYS SAY THIS, UM, THIS IS WHERE WE LEAVE FROM.
THIS IS WHERE WE FEED OUR KIDS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN IT AS CLEAN AS POSSIBLE TO MAINTAIN, UH, TAKE CARE OF GOOD.
IF WE'RE ABLE TO HELP THE COMMUNITY, WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE THERE TO HELP THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THERE'S, UH, ALSO WE TRY TO INVEST AS MUCH AS WE CAN ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
YOU KNOW, TRY TO MAINTAIN IT UP TO CODE.
UM, WHEN WE STARTED, UM, ON 2017 ON THAT PROPERTY, WE DID HIRE A, UM, COMPANY THAT IT'S, UH, IT'S THAT, THAT'S ALL I DO.
THEY INSULATE THE, THE, THE, THE BUILDING JUST TO ACCOMMODATE OUR NETS.
THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO EXPAND EXTRA MONEY A ONE FOR AC, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, FOR AC UNIT AND ALSO FOR SUN, SUN EQUIPMENT.
SO I JUST WANNA ADDRESS THAT AS WELL.
AND, UM, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, EVERYONE IS, IT'S WHEN THEY VISIT US, EVERYONE IS HAVING A GREAT TIME, IS HAVING A, A EXCELLENT TIME.
SO WE TRY TO INVEST AS MUCH AS WE CAN, UH, TAKING CARE OF THE BUILDING, DOING OUR BEST TO, UM, TO HAVE A REALLY HIGH END, UM, BUSINESS.
UH, DOES THE CITY HAVE A BEFORE VERY BRIEF.
UM, IF WE CONTEND THE DENIAL OF THE LATE ALICE CAR VIA AFFIRM BECAUSE OF THE CITY ORDINANCE AND THE FACT THAT THE DANCE HALL IS WITHIN 1000 FEET OF THE RESIDENT, OKAY.
UM, IS THERE A MOTION FROM THE BOARD, UH, REGARDING THE DENIAL OF DANCE HALL? LATE HOURS PERMIT FOR CLUB? MOST REALS.
IF YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT ON MUTE, MR. CHAIR.
I MOVE THAT WE OVERRULE THE CHIEF'S, UM, DENIAL OF THE PERMIT AND GRANT THEM THE APPROPRIATE LENGTH OF TIME EXTENSION WITHIN OUR POWERS.
UH, THERE'S A MOTION BY MR. HAYES TO
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REVERSE THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND GRANT A ONE YEAR, UH, EXEMPTION.UH, I HEARD MR. CILLA FIRST, SECOND BY MR. CILLA.
UH, MR. HAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF YOUR MOTION? YES.
UM, CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY INTERJECT.
I BELIEVE THAT, UH, THE SECOND WAS FROM MR. QUENTIN, NOT MR. CILLA JUDGING FROM, THAT'S CORRECTION.
YEAH, EVEN THOUGH I'M A BIT PERSONALLY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT THEY APPARENTLY HAVE BEEN OPERATING AFTER HOURS WITHOUT A PERMIT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THAT'S A LAW ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, AND IT'S BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE ADDRESSING TODAY.
UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THEY, THEY'RE DOING ALL THE RIGHT STUFF AND THAT, UH, THIS BUSINESS WOULD ACTUALLY BE AN ASSET, UH, WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE ALLOW 'EM TO OPERATE.
AND I WOULD REITERATE MY EARLIER COMMENTS THAT THIS IS GONNA KEEP COMING UP UNLESS THERE'S SOME CHANGE IN THE WAY THE CITY MAKES THEIR MEASUREMENTS.
AND IT'S NOT ONLY FOR YOU PEOPLE, IT'S FOR OTHER PROPERTIES AS WELL.
SO, UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, TAKE, TAKE WHATEVER ACTION YOU THINK IS APPROPRIATE ON THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S IRRELEVANT TO THIS MOTION, BUT I, BUT I THINK THEY'RE DOING ALL THE RIGHT STUFF, AND AS DETECTIVE MONTREAL POINTED OUT, HE HASN'T, THERE HAVE BEEN NO CRIME ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
UH, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST THE MOTION? ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION NEITHER FOR OR AGAINST? I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION CHAIR YOU RECOGNIZE FOR THREE MINUTES, VICE CHAIR, AND I'LL KEEP THIS REALLY SIMPLE AS WELL.
UH, WE REALLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, UH, DETECTIVE MONTREAL'S OPINION AS WELL.
AS HE MENTIONED THERE, HE, HE DIDN'T FIND ANY OTHER REASON FOR, FOR A DENIAL.
AND, UM, SO, AND I ALSO JUST, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE THE OWNERS ARE MAKING AND TRYING TO DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO KEEP, UM, THIS ESTABLISHMENT, YOU KNOW, RUNNING AND EVERYONE, YOU KNOW, HAVING A GOOD TIME.
AND, UM, YEAH, I DO THINK EVENTUALLY WE'LL NEED TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF HOW THE LAND SURVEYOR, UM, IS TAKING, UM, MEASUREMENTS BECAUSE IT IS SEEMINGLY COMING UP MORE AND MORE.
UM, BUT I DO, UM, I AGREE WITH MR. HAYES.
UM, MR. QUINT AS THE SECOND, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION? SURE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE AS, UH, MR. HAYES AND, UM, MR. TORRES SAID THAT THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT.
UM, WHAT REALLY STOOD OUT TO ME IS THEY HAVE ZERO POLICE REPORTS FROM THEIR NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS, AS WELL AS BETWEEN TWO AND 4:00 AM WHICH SAYS, LOOK, THEY'RE AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, IT'S, WE'RE ALMOST INTO SEMANTICS NOW.
WHERE OF MEASURE, SO TO SPEAK? UM, DETECTIVE MON WAS VERY ELOQUENT AND SAID, OTHER THAN MEASUREMENT, THERE'S NO REASON TO, UH, NOT GRANT THEM THE, THE, UH, EXTENDED HOUR.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, MR. QUIT.
UH, IS THERE ANYBODY AT THIS TIME WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST THE MOTION? WE'RE ON THE MOTION.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE'LL PROCEED TO THE VOTE.
UH, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. HAYES, SECONDED BY MR. QUINT TO REVERSE THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND GRANT A ONE YEAR EXEMPTION FOR THE LATE HOURS PERMIT, UH, SORRY FOR THE THOUSAND FOOT RESTRICTION, AND GRANT A LATE HOURS PERMIT.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU'RE OFF MUTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
UM, ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS, PLEASE WATCH OUT FOR YOUR EMAIL FOR THE DOCUSIGN, AND TODAY'S MEETING IS CONCLUDED AT 10:08 AM THANK YOU.