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[Landmark Commission Meeting on April 7, 2025.]
RIGHT.GOOD AFTERNOON AND, UM, WELCOME TO THE MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.
IT IS, UH, STILL APRIL SEVEN, AND WE'RE CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT 1:04 PM UM, MY NAME IS EVELYN MONTGOMERY AND I AM THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION.
AND COMMISSIONER REAGAN ROTHENBERGER WILL BE SERVING AS VICE-CHAIR TODAY.
AND WE HAVE A QUARRY, A QUARRY, A QUORUM,
SO LET US BEGIN BY HAVING A ELAINE CALL, ROLL CALL AND SEE WHO IS IN ATTENDANCE.
DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
COMMISSIONER COX? DISTRICT 11.
UM, WE'LL KEEP AN EYE ON, UH, I THINK COMMISSIONER WILL BE BACK.
HE'S JUST PROBABLY HASN'T MADE IT BACK.
SO TO BEGIN, WE NEED TO ASK OUR VICE CHAIR TO MAKE A COUPLE OF MOTIONS.
FIRST, JUST WANNA ANNOUNCE, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO HAS NOT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK YET? WHO WANTS TO SPEAK? YEAH, SORRY.
I THINK I HAVE AN ORDER READY, BUT WE WILL.
I OH AND UH, MA'AM, WHICH, WHICH ONE ARE YOU PLANNING ON SPEAKING ON? D FIVE.
ALRIGHT, SO WE ARE READY TO DEAL WITH OUR CONSENT ITEMS AND REORDER OUR AGENDA.
UM, MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION OF THE NEEDS OF THE CONSENT ITEMS AND, UH, THOSE WHO HAVE CONFLICTS, THAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR AND SEVEN THROUGH 12 AS PRESENTED BY STAFF.
CONSENT ONE THROUGH FOUR, SEVEN THROUGH 12 AS PRESENTED BY STAFF.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ALRIGHT THEN, UH, WE HAVE A SECOND.
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MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.SO IF YOU WERE HERE FOR CONSENT, ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR AND SEVEN THROUGH 12, UH, WE HAVE, UH, VOTED TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SO THERE IS NO FURTHER NEED TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT EXCEPT CONTACT STAFF FOR ANY, ANY EXPLANATIONS YOU MIGHT NEED ABOUT WHAT, WHAT HAS JUST BEEN APPROVED.
THERE WAS A RECUSAL FROM COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON.
AND IF MR. LIVING COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON IS NOT HERE, THEN UH, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CONSENT.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE, SUBJECT TO STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
I SECOND AGAIN FROM COMMISSIONER REEVES.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THEN THAT ONE HAS CARRIED AND I BELIEVE ON NUMBER SIX, COMMISSIONER HARPER HAS A CONFLICT AS WELL.
SO WE, OH WAIT, WELL, COMMISSIONER HARPER RUNS OUT THE DOOR BUT DOESN'T GO VERY FAR 'CAUSE WE NEED YOU BACK.
ALRIGHT, MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CONSENT.
ITEM NUMBER SIX, SUBJECT TO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT THEN THAT HAS CARRIED AS WELL.
I SEE WE HAVE NEW PEOPLE COMING IN.
IF ANYONE IS NOT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, WE HAVE YELLOW FORMS BACK THERE THAT YOU HAVE TO FILL IN SO THAT WE CAN, UH, HAVE A RECORD OF WHO SPOKE HERE TODAY.
SO, UM, MOVING ALONG, UM, MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE ADJUST THE ORDER OF ITEMS AND RECOGNITION OF THOSE WHO ARE PRESENT IN ONLINE.
SO I MOVE THAT THE AGENDA BE ADJUSTED AS FOLLOWS.
STARTING 13 HAS BEEN REQUESTED TO BE MOVED TO DISCUSSION.
THAT WILL BE PART OF DISCUSS CONSENT 13 WILL BE ON DISCUSSION.
SO I ACTUALLY NEED TO DECIDE WHERE THAT GOES AND WORK.
NO ONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK FOR IT.
UH, MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE ORDER BE AS FOLLOWS.
DISCUSSION ITEM EIGHT AND DISCUSSION ITEM NINE, FOLLOWED BY COURTESY REVIEWS TWO AND THREE.
THEN BACK TO DISCUSSION ITEM FOUR, DISCUSSION ITEM FIVE, THEN CONSENT ITEM 13.
AND THEN DISCUSSION ITEMS 1, 2, 3, AND SIX.
AND WHERE'S COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER ONE? THANK YOU
AND COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER ONE.
WE CAN DO THAT LAST 'CAUSE NO ONE HAS SIGN IT TO FEE.
YEAH, IT WAS THERE AFTER D FOUR AND FIVE.
WE HAVE CONSENT 13 RIGHT AFTER D FIVE.
ALRIGHT, ANY SECOND? YEAH, WE DO HAVE MORE.
COMMISSIONER PREZI HAS SECONDED THIS.
WE'LL WAIT AND SEE AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY BREAKING NEWS THAT MATERIALLY CHANGES THIS.
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OKAY.WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, BUT, UM, THE ARRIVAL OF MORE SPEAKERS HAS CAUSED US TO WANT TO REORDER OUR REORDERING.
WE'RE NOT USUALLY, WE'RE TRYING TO BE GOOD.
WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE QUICKLY.
SO CAN WE APPARENTLY WE LEARNED YOU CAN SO EXTEND YOUR MOTION.
SO I RESCIND MY MOTION AND WE WILL START OVER HERE.
SO THE AGENDA WILL NOW BE ORDERED AS FOLLOWS AND WE WILL MINOR CHANGE FROM WHAT I SAID BEFORE.
DISCUSSION ITEM NINE, COURTESY REVIEWS TWO AND THREE.
DISCUSSION ITEM FOUR, FIVE AND SIX, CONSENT 13.
AND THEN DISCUSSION ITEM 1, 2, 3.
AND COMMISSIONER PRE HAS SECONDED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
WE HAVE ALL OF OUR STARTING BUSY WORK THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE TO DO.
AND WE CAN HEAR OUR FIRST, OH, SOMEONE HAS TO READ TASK FORCE.
AND I BELIEVE I ASKED COMMISSIONER, I TOLD HIM THE COMMISSIONER HARPER SCH NEEDS TO LET US HEAR HIS BEAUTIFUL VOICE READING TASK FORCE.
ALRIGHT, SO FIRST WE MUST HEAR DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.
THIS IS DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 8 17 0 2 MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR BOULEVARD.
THIS IS MICHAEL FLOWERS ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
UH, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER INITIATION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR 1702 MARTIN LUTHER KING, JUNIOR BOULEVARD, THE COLONIAL THEATER.
AND WE HAVE SPEAKERS FOR THIS ONE.
WE HAVE AT LEAST TWO THAT ARE SIGNED UP.
KIM STANLEY AND CHANEL SAMPSON.
ALRIGHT, SO WE NEED YOU TO GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
SO MY NAME IS CHANEL S SAMSON AND I CURRENTLY LIVE AT 1809 AVENUE, PINEO, TEXAS 7 5 0 2 5.
I RESIDE AT 29 30 EMAL SOUND DRIVE, CEDAR HILL, TEXAS 7 5 1 0 4.
AND YOU CAN EACH HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT THIS INITIATION.
SO, YES, UM, MY NAME'S CHANEL SAMSON AND THIS IS, UH, KIM STANLEY.
AND I'M HERE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MY MOM, JACQUELINE GREEN, WHO CAN BE PRESENT TODAY AND KIM STANLEY.
AND WE ARE THE CURRENT OWNERS OF 1702 MOUNT, UH, MLK BOULEVARD IN DALLAS, TEXAS.
AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO PRESENT OUR PETITION FOR HISTORICAL, UH, RECOGNITION RESIGNATION OF 1702.
UM, SO FROM THE LATE 1920S UNTIL IT WAS ACQUISITION BY SMU, THE SEVEN, THE 1702 MLK HAS BEEN THE HOME OF COLONIAL THEATER AND FOREST THEATER THEATER OPERATED AND OWNED BY CARL AND GEORGE HOPS, UH, HAZEL.
AND THEN, UM, THEIR MODEL WAS ACTUALLY DEDICATED TO THE COMMUNITY SERVICE AND IT WAS BELIEVED THAT CARL HUBLE DONATED THE COMMUNITY, UM, THE PROPERTY TO SMU, UH, TO THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY WITH THE INTENTION OF PRESERVING ITS HISTORICAL LEGACY.
UM, WE DO HAVE AN AFFIDAVIT FROM DECEMBER 19TH, 1994 THAT PROVIDES DOCUMENTATION SAYING THAT SOUTHERN METHODIST UNIVERSITY DID IN FACT OWN 1702 MLK.
UM, IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT IN 1915 AND IT WAS FIRST KNOWN AS THE COLONIAL THEATER.
UM, IT WAS DESIGNATED AS A VANDERBILT STYLE BUILDING, UM, AND TRANSITIONED TO A, UH, MOTION PICTURE THEATER IN 1920S AND BECAME THE FOREST THEATER AROUND 1929.
AND WE FOUND THAT IN THE, UM, DALLAS, UH, PUBLISHED THAT THE LIBRARY YEAH.
THE, THE LIBRARY RESEARCH WE FOUND THAT THAT'S WHEN THE NAME CHANGE TOOK ABOUT TO THE FOREST THEATER.
AND DURING THE 1920S, THROUGH THE 1940S, THE FOREST THEATER HELD CONTRACTS WITH MAJOR FILM STUDIOS SUCH AS PARAMOUNT, UM, UNITED ARTISTS INTERSTATE, COLUMBIA PICTURES, AND MGM AND AS WELL AS, UH, 20TH CENTURY FOX.
AND SOME OF THE FIRST RUN FILMS THERE, UM, INCLUDED THE, UH, PRIVATE LIFE OF HENRY VIII, UH, HOUSE OF ROTHSCHILD CALL OF THE WIND, THE LAST OF THE MA HOGANS, AND THEN COUNT MONTY CRISTO.
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19, UH, 15, UH, 1702, UH, HAS SERVED THE COMMUNITY IN MANY WAYS, SUCH AS A THEATER, A NIGHTCLUB, A RETAIL CLOTHING STORE, AND A DRY CLEANING BUSINESS.IT HAS REMAINED IN A COMMUNITY SPACE FOR OVER A CENTURY.
UM, BUT TODAY, UH, 1702 IS BE BEING RENOVATED TO THE JACK ANDS JILL CENTER CAREER CENTER.
AND THEN OUR MISSION IS TO PROVIDE, UH, JOB TRAINING, SKILL DEVELOPMENT AND ENTREPRENEURSHIP OPPORTUNITIES TO THE GREATER DALLAS COMMUNITY.
AND WE, THE GREEN FAMILY, PROUDLY PLAN TO CONTINUE THE LEGACY ORIGINALLY ESTABLISHED BY HOW BIT BROTHERS AND EXEMPLIFIED BY OUR PARENTS.
YOU CAN SAY THE LAST PART PLEASE.
WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME YEAH.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR ENTHUSIASM FOR PRESERVING HISTORY.
WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE SEEING THAT.
IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL TO INITIATE A LANDMARK? DO Y'ALL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME? OR? WE MIGHT, AND THEN WE'LL TELL YOU
COMMISSIONERS ARE UNUSUALLY SILENT.
COMMISSIONER REEVES, I WAS NOT AWARE THAT IT WAS A HOBBLER CELL, UH, THEATER.
IT, THE MAJESTIC THEATER WAS ALSO HOLO CELL.
THEY ALL WERE
BUT, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO VOTING IN PAPERS AS THIS.
ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY OTHER COMMENTS? 'CAUSE IF NOT, I NEED A MOTION.
AND OH, I MUST NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER OFFIT AND HINOJOSA HAVE JOINED US ONLINE.
THEY WERE NOT HERE FOR THE ROLL CALL.
UH, COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON IS NOT HERE, AND I BELIEVE HE WAS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT THIS TO US.
COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON CAN NOW SPEAK ON THIS IMPORTANT INITIATION OF THE COLONIAL THEATER.
MR. LIVINGSTON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS AND PERHAPS A MOTION? YES.
I GUESS MY FIRST COMMENT IS JUST THE, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS, UM, PROPERTY, UM, SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
AND I'M, I'M JUST REALLY, UH, HAPPY ABOUT THE PATIENCE OF, OF YOU TWO, UM, WORKING TO SUBMIT THIS PROJECT.
UM, I, UM, JUST WANT TO MY, YOU KNOW, SPEAK TO YOUR PERSEVERANCE AND, UM, DETERMINATION TO MAKE THIS COME TO LIFE.
AND, UM, WITH THAT SAID, I WILL PULL THIS MOTION HERE.
I'M HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY PULLING MY ORDER NUMBER UP.
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COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON.IT'S NOT BEEN A GOOD DAY FOR COMPUTERS FOR SEVERAL PEOPLE.
I, UM, COMMISSIONER TR LIVINGSTON, ARE YOU HAVING TROUBLE FINDING IT ON YOUR AGENDA OR? YES.
'CAUSE IT IS JUST DISCUSSION ITEM EIGHT.
AND ALL YOU NEED IS THE ADDRESS TO DO A PROPOSAL FOR INITIATION.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A ITEM NUMBER.
LI UM, I MOVE TO APPROVE DISCUSSION ITEM, UH, NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS 1702 MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
BOULEVARD, THE COLONIAL THEATER 1702.
ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE THE INITIATION AT THAT LOCATION AS A HISTORIC LANDMARK.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, EVERYBODY SECOND.
AND IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, LET ME CALL FOR VOTE ON THIS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
THERE ARE NO OPPOSED, CONGRATULATIONS.
YOU'LL BEGUN THE PROCESS OF BECOMING OUR NEXT CITY OF DALLAS LANDMARK AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS AND TOWARDS THIS.
AND YOU'LL BE WORKING WITH THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE, SO I'LL SEE YOU AGAIN.
AND SO WILL THAT GENTLEMAN THERE 'CAUSE WE'RE ON THAT.
SO MADAM CHAIR, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, A COUPLE OF POINTS OF CLARIFICATION.
UM, I MOVE, UH, THAT WE, UM, CLARIFY THAT ITEM DISCUSSION SEVEN WILL BE SECOND FROM THE END.
IT WOULD BE AFTER DISCUSSION ITEM THREE AND BEFORE COURTESY REVIEW ONE.
AND THEN ALSO I'VE BEEN INFORMED THAT ONE OF THE SPEAKERS FOR DISCUSSION ITEM NINE HAS NOT RETURNED, OR NOW THEY, NOW THEY ARE HERE.
YEAH, THEY'RE, SO WE WILL, WE WILL STAY THE COURSE ON THIS.
SO THAT MEANS THAT NEXT UP WE ARE HEARING DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS OUR OTHER INITIATION OF THE DAY NINE.
YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S A SIX TURNED UPSIDE DOWN.
SEE, THAT'S WHY, UH, DISCUSSION NOT NUMBER NINE, WE'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT THE MOUNT PISCO MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH, WHICH ALSO WISHES TO BE CITY OF DALLAS LANDMARK.
AND WE HAVE NUMEROUS SPEAKERS FOR THAT.
AND WHILE THEY'RE SIGNED UP IN AN ORDER, I'LL LET THEM DECIDE WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST.
HOW ARE YOU? I AM FINE AND I HOPE YOU ARE WELL.
AND IF YOU COULD GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
UH, MY NAME IS S MICHAEL GREEN.
MY ADDRESS IS 1618 MELANIE TRAIL, MIDIAN, TEXAS 7 6 0 6 5.
PARDON ME, EVERYBODY'S CORRECTING MY D 69 MISTAKE.
BUT WE'RE HEARING D NINE AND WE WELCOME YOU.
YOU NOW HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR, YOUR, UM, YOUR WONDERFUL BUILDING AND AND YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE LANDMARKING OF IT.
ONLY ON THE FUZZY JUDICIAL ONES THERE, OF COURSE, GOING TO TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS.
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND TO THIS LANDMARK COMMISSION.
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WHY WE BELIEVE THE MOUNT PIS THE HISTORIC MOUNT PISCA MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH TO BE A CITY OF DALLAS LANDMARK.
PERHAPS IT IS BECAUSE IT IS THE OLDEST AFRICAN AMERICAN CHURCH IN DALLAS COUNTY, AND THAT'S NOT FOLK FOLKLORE OR SPECULATION, BUT WE HAVE RECEIPTS, THANK GOD THAT WE HAVE DOCUMENTS DATING BACK TO OUR INCEPTION JUNE 19TH, 1864.
BUT THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS 14,000 PRESTON ROAD.
WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 1888 FROM THE WILKERSON'S, WHO HAD BEEN IN AN ENSLAVED COUPLE WHO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS A CHURCH IN THAT COMMUNITY.
AND SINCE 1888, THE MOUNT PISTON BAPTIST CHURCH HAS BEEN OCCUPYING THAT PROPERTY.
WE NOW LEASE IT OUT TO OTHER CHURCHES STARTING OFF.
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UH, WE ARE ONE MILE FROM THE WHITE ROCK CEMETERY GARDEN OF MEMORIES, WHICH WAS JUST, UH, RECEIVED THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK WHERE OUR FOUNDING MEMBERS AND FAMILIES ARE BURIED ALONG WITH OTHER AFRICAN AMERICAN PIONEERS FROM THE CITY.MOUNT PISCA AT 14,000 PRESTON ROAD IS THE LAST REMAINING REMNANT OF THE FREEDMAN TOWN OF ALPHA.
IT IS THE ONLY REMAINING STRUCTURE FROM THIS FREEDMAN TOWN IN ALPHA THAT STARTED IN 1876 AND DISSOLVED IN 1987.
WELL, PERHAPS IT IS BECAUSE LAST YEAR FOR OUR HUNDRED AND 60TH CHURCH ANNIVERSARY, WE OPENED A HISTORY AND ARCHIVE MUSEUM.
AND IN THAT MUSEUM WE HAVE ARTIFACTS AND PROGRAMS AND NEWSPAPER CLIPPINGS PUT TOGETHER BY A HISTORIAN ELAINE JOHNSON, WHO YOU'LL HEAR FROM.
AND IN THAT WE HAVE THE BIBLE FROM OUR FIRST PASTOR, RICHARD BUTLER, WHO IS THE WHITE CIRCUIT PREACHER WHO ORGANIZED THESE SLAVE FAMILIES A YEAR BEFORE EMANCIPATION TO FORM THIS GREAT CHURCH AT THIS GREAT LOCATION.
WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE A CITY OF DALLAS LANDMARK BECAUSE FOR 160 YEARS WE'VE BEEN IMPACTING THIS COMMUNITY.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT'S THE PEOPLE OF OUR GREAT CHURCH, AND IT IS THE PRAYERS THAT WERE PRAYED ON THOSE WOODEN BENCHES THAT WE BELIEVE ARE STILL BEING ANSWERED TODAY.
AND I BET YOU ARE THE MINISTER THERE BECAUSE YOU SOUND LIKE A PREACHER.
AND WHO DO WE HAVE NEXT, MA'AM? I'M ELAINE JOHNSON.
AND WHERE DO YOU LIVE? 2004 GLEN MEADOW COURT, RICHARDSON, TEXAS.
AND TELL US YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS.
YES, MY NAME IS ELAINE JOHNSON, AND I HAVE BEEN A MEMBER OF MOUNT PISCO MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH ALL MY LIFE.
MY PARENTS, MY DAD GREW UP THERE IN THE WHITE ROCK SETTLEMENT, UPPER WHITE ROCK SETTLEMENT.
AND WHEN MY MOM AND DAD GOT MARRIED, WE ALL JOINED THE CHURCH.
AND I'VE GROWN UP THERE AND MR. JAMES, JESSE, JAMES ARNOLD, WHO HAD BEEN THE FORMER HISTORIAN ASKED ME AT WHEN HE WAS SICK, TO TAKE OVER THE BEING THE HISTORIAN OF MOUNT PI.
AND IT HAS BEEN A JOY TO GO UP IN DALLAS AND KNOW THAT WE ARE THE OLDEST BLACK CHURCH IN THAT, IN DALLAS COUNTY, I BELIEVE.
I HAVEN'T QUITE PROVED IT, BUT WE ARE THE OLDEST BAPTIST CHURCH OF ALL CHURCHES.
WE ARE OLDER THAN DALLAS, UH, FIRST BAPTIST DALLAS, AND WE'RE OLDER THAN FIRST BAPTIST RICHARDSON, WHERE FABULOUS BUTLER WAS A MEMBER.
AND HIS FATHER WAS THE FIRST PASTOR THERE.
SO THE BUTLER FAMILY AND THE MOUNT PISCO FAMILY WERE THE TURNERS AND HUFFMAN'S AND THE SAUNDERS.
THEY WERE ALL EARLY SETTLES IN DALLAS.
DALLAS, THE COUNTY OF DALLAS, IN THE MID 1850S WHERE THEY CAME FROM KENTUCKY AND MISSOURI.
AND REVEREND BUTLER WAS ASKED TO START A BAPTIST CHURCH FOR MOUNT PISCO.
AND HIS CHURCH WAS, WHICH IS NOW FIRST BAPTIST OF RICHARDSON, WAS CALLED MOUNT CALVARY, WHICH WAS CLOSER TO THE, UH, 14,000 PRESTON ROAD.
AND THEY MOVED TO RICHARDSON, WHICH IRONICALLY NOW WE ARE, UH, SERVING IN RICHARDSON ON SOUTH SHERMAN STREET, STILL IN DALLAS COUNTY.
AND I HAD THE PLEASURE AND HONOR OF WRITING THE, THE APPLICATION, THE NARRATIVE FOR THE TEXAS HISTORICAL MARKER, WHICH I HAVE HERE IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE IT.
AND IT, IT DOCUMENTS ALL OUR RESEARCH.
MY NAME IS RICKY CLINTON WRIGHT.
UM, I AM A MEMBER OF MOUNT PISCA BAPTIST CHURCH.
AND WHERE DO YOU LIVE, NEBRASKA? I LIVE AT 45 27 CROSIER STREET IN DALLAS, TEXAS.
AND WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS INITIATION OF YOUR CHURCH? I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL.
I, UH, JOINED MOUNT PISCA OVER 30 YEARS AGO, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, MY, UH, I HAVE MANY ANCESTORS THAT ARE BURIED IN THE CEMETERY THAT IS LOCATED NEAR MOUNT.
THIS GUY AT THE WHITE, WHITE ROCK GARDEN OF MEMORIES.
MY PATERNAL, UH, GREAT-GRANDPARENTS MADE A WAY FROM, UH, MISSISSIPPI IN THE 1880S AND SETTLED IN THAT AREA.
THEY WERE NOT MEMBERS OF MOUNT KISKA, BUT THEY LIVED THERE.
AND, UM, THEY WERE MEMBERS OF A DIFFERENT CHURCH, A ME CHURCH.
AND IT'S JUST A PLEASURE TO KNOW THAT NOW WE HAVE CEMETERY, UH, PRESERVED AND PROTECTED, AND NOW WE WILL HAVE MOUNT PISCA.
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SYMBOLIC REFERENCE TO WHERE WE CAME, WE BEING AFRICAN AMERICANS OR MY FAMILY CAME, MY FAMILY SETTLED THERE.AND TO LET PEOPLE, OTHER PEOPLE IN DALLAS KNOW THAT THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT AFRICAN AMERICAN PRESENCE IN NORTH DALLAS.
I KNOW Y'ALL DIDN'T THINK Y'ALL WERE GONNA HAVE THIS MANY SPEAKERS ON THIS
WE HAVE A LIST OF YOU RIGHT HERE.
WHAT'S YOUR NAME, SIR? MICHAEL ANDERSON.
I LIVE AT 29 38 FIREWOOD CARROLLTON, TEXAS.
I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO SAY, BUT I DO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.
UH, I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF MY EPIS SINCE 1989 WHEN IT WAS LOCATED ON WEBBS COUNTY.
AND I'VE FOUND THIS CHURCH TO BE VERY EXCITED, SPIRITUALLY LEADING ME TO A HIGHER HEIGHT WITH GOD ACCORDING TO THE HISTORY THAT ELAINE HAS GIVEN.
YOU KNOW, OUR HISTORY IS DEEP, OUR HISTORY IS DEEP, AND I, FROM HEARING THE THINGS IN THE NEWS TODAY IS TRYING TO ERASE OUR HISTORY.
WE CAN'T ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.
AND SO IT IS OUR DUTY AS PRESIDENT CONGREGANTS OF MY EPISCOPAL DESERVE THAT HISTORY.
AND I BELIEVE THAT MAKING THIS PROPERTY A LANDMARK WHERE WE'VE HEARD, STARTED OUT AS WILL BE A GREAT THING FOR THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING NOW I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HISTORY, UH, WHERE THE CHURCH IS LOCATED WAS ALL BLACK FARMLAND.
AND AS DALLAS HAS CONTINUED TO GROW, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THINGS HAPPENED WHERE LAND WAS TAKEN OR LAND WAS BOUGHT, BUT THIS BUILDING IS STILL THERE.
AND SO WE NEED SOMETHING TO LEAVE FOR OUR, OUR YOUNGSTER TO SEE WHERE THEY CAME FROM AND WHERE WE NEED TO GO.
BECAUSE IF THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE PAST, THE MISTAKES THEY'LL MAKE IN THE FUTURE WILL BE DEVASTATING.
SO I ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS PROPERTY BE CONSIDERED A LANDMARK NOT ONLY FOR THE CITY, BUT FOR THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS.
MY NAME IS BEVERLY WEAVER, MY HUSBAND AND I JOINED, AND I, I NEED TO KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE.
I'M NOT NOSY AND I PROMISE NOT TO VISIT
UH, MY HUSBAND AND I JOINED MOUNT PISCA IN 1980.
WE WERE THERE AT THE CHURCH THAT HAD BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
AT THAT POINT, THERE WAS NO SPRING VALLEY THAT CAME THROUGH.
OF COURSE, IMMINENT DOMAIN TOOK PART OF THAT FOR THE, UH, REST OF SPRING VALLEY.
WE'VE KNOWN A LOT OF THE MEMBERS WHO ARE THE, THE HEIRS OF THOSE WHO STARTED THE CHURCH.
AND IT'S BEEN A PROFOUND WAY OF JUST GOING THROUGH THE HISTORY OF WHAT DEVELOPED TO MAKE THAT CHURCH THERE.
ELAINE AND I DID A LOT OF HISTORY ON, UH, MOUNT FIGA AND ITS RELATIONSHIP TO FIRST BAPTIST OF RICHARDSON.
AND IT, IT'S JUST BEEN A JOY TO SEE HOW THE AREA HAS GROWN, HOW THE PEOPLE HAVE GROWN, AND HOW WE'VE REACHED OUT AT TIMES TO FIRST BAPTIST OF, UH, RICHARDSON, BECAUSE WE CONSIDER THEM OUR SISTER CHURCH SINCE THEIR PASTOR HELPED OUR CHURCH BE FORMED.
SO THIS WOULD BE JUST A MONUMENTAL DEED, HAVING IT AS A, UH, HISTORICAL LANDMARK, AND WE WOULD JUST BE SO HAPPY AND GLAD THAT IT'S DONE.
I'M AT 1506 BITTER CREEK DO IN TEXAS.
WASN'T COMING TO SPEAK TODAY, BUT SINCE I'M HERE AND I'VE BEEN SUMMONED
I, I AM WITH THE, I AM WITH THE FIFTH GENERATION OF THE CHURCH.
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CHURCH AND I'VE BEEN THERE ALL OF MY LIFE AND I'VE SEEN WHAT HAVE BEEN AND WHAT HAS, AND AS SHE WAS SAYING, WHEN WE USED TO RUN THERE USED TO BE A HILL.BUT WE GO DOWN NOW, THERE'S NOT A HILL.
THERE'S A GOOD, STILL A WONDERFUL PLACE TO BE.
AND IT'S A PART OF ME BECAUSE I GREW UP THERE AS A VERY YOUNG MAN.
NOW, PISCA HAS A LOT, A LOT OF HISTORY, AND IF YOU DECIDE TO GO AND LOOK IN THE ARCHIVES OR IF YOU ASK ANY OF US, ARE YOU WELCOME TO COME VISIT US AT, UH, 10 10.
UH, SHERMAN AND RICHARDSON, UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF HISTORY.
WE HAVE A WONDERFUL PASTOR WHO NOW TAKES THAT RING OF THE, HIS, THE HISTORY TO MOVE IT FORWARD LIKE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
I LIKE TO THANK MY SISTER, UH, SISTER JOHNSON FOR COMING AND DOING ALL THE HARD WORK AND MEETING THE ONES WHO CAME OUT TO HELP US TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE, EVEN DURING THE, THE LANDMARK.
SO YOU GET A CHANCE, RUN BY 14,000.
IT'S STILL STANDING RIGHT THERE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? GOOD AFTERNOON.
I LIVE AT 2002 LANE DRIVE, RICHARDSON, TEXAS 7 5 0 8 1.
UH, I DITO, FIRST OF ALL, MY WIFE HAS SPOKEN EARLIER.
WHAT'S GREAT NEWS FOR ME IS THE FACT THAT I'M PROUD TO HAVE FOUR GREAT-GRANDDAUGHTERS.
AND AT THAT SAYING, THAT MEANS THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT I CAN SHARE WITH THEM AND TALK ABOUT THE ROCK.
NO ONE HAS REALLY MENTIONED THE WORD THE ROCK, BUT THAT'S HOW WE RELATE TO MOUNT PISCA MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH.
AND WHY ARE WE THE ROCK? BECAUSE WE STARTED AT 14,000 PRESTON ROAD AND WE'RE PROUD THAT WE WERE THERE THEN.
AND WE'RE PROUD OF WHERE WE STAND TODAY.
AND WE JUST WANT TO CONTINUE OUR PATRIOTS, OUR CULTURE, OUR DESIRE TO BE PROUD, TO BE WHO WE ARE.
AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TODAY.
ANYONE ELSE? THAT'S EVERYBODY.
ALL RIGHT, THEN LET'S ASK OUR COMMISSIONERS WHAT THEY MIGHT HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, FIRST I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY HOW HONORED I AM, UM, TO HAVE MET YOU ALL AND TO, TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH YOU.
IT'S, UH, IT'S QUITE AN HONOR TO BE ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY AND, AND NOMINATE MOUNT PISCO CHURCH FOR HISTORICAL DESIGNATION.
YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE HEARD THIS, THIS SITE IS NOT ONLY IMPORTANT TO THE HISTORY OF DALLAS, BUT ALSO TO AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY IN THIS COUNTY.
AND THIS IS A, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO RECOGNIZE THAT.
UH, I'D LIKE TO, TO THANK MS. JOHNSON.
UH, PASTOR GREEN BEACON ANDERSON, MS. WHITE, MS. WEAVER, MR. ANDERSON, UM, MR. ANDERSON AND, UH, MR. WEAVER FOR, FOR YOUR WORDS TODAY.
AND, AND WITH THAT, IF THERE'S UH, NO FURTHER FURTHER COMMENTS, I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF DISCUSSION.
ITEM 14,000 PRESTON ROAD, MOUNT PISCA MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH.
I MOVE TO APPROVE THE INITIATION OF THE HISTORICAL DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR 14,000 PRESTON ROAD, MOUNT PISCA MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH.
WHO SAID IT FIRST? COMMISSIONER SHERMAN IS EXPEDIA OF ALL AND THEREFORE GETS THE SECOND.
ALRIGHT, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, 'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE ALL JUST PRETTY HAPPY, AREN'T WE? UH, LET'S TAKE A VOTE ON THIS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? OF COURSE, NO ONE IS OPPOSED.
WE ARE ALWAYS HAPPY TO WELCOME A NEW PIECE OF HISTORY TO JOINING THE LIST OF DALLAS LANDMARKS.
IT'LL BE A PROCESS WE'LL GO THROUGH Y'ALL, WE'LL WORK WITH THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN BEFORE YOU COME BACK HERE FOR, UM, YOUR FINAL, FINAL LANDMARKING.
BUT YOU'RE ON THE ROAD NOW TOWARDS IT AND I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY'S HAPPY.
OKAY, I HAVE SOME HOUSEKEEPING.
SOMEONE IS SIGNED UP WITH LUCID MILLER FOR, WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT CASE YOU'RE SIGNED UP FOR, NOR ARE YOU HERE, THEREFORE,
OKAY, WELL IF ANYBODY COMES IN, ASK 'EM IF THEY'RE THIS PERSON BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO NEXT STEP, WE ARE DOING COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER TWO.
I DON'T THINK WE READ THE, UM, I DON'T THINK WE READ, UH, MOUNT PISCA
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INTO THE RECORD BEFORE WE VOTED.WELL THEN READ IT INTO THE RECORD.
YOU READ IT EARLIER AT THE, UM, YOU KNOW,
SO READ IT AGAIN INTO THE RECORD.
OKAY, UM, DISCUSSION ITEM NINE 14,000 PRESTON ROAD.
UM, A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE INITIATION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR 14,000 PRESTON ROAD AND MOUNT PISCA MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH.
SO WE HAD THE WORK RIGHT THERE, SO, ALL RIGHTY, NOW WE CAN DO COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER TWO.
AND I SEE THAT ERIN, OUR SPEAKER IS ONLINE, SO LET'S HEAR IT FROM STAFF AND THE TASK FORCE.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER 2 43 15 JUNIOR STREET, PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT CR 2 4 5 0 1 4 CP.
REQUEST COURTESY REVIEW CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY MAIN STRUCTURE ON A VACANT WITH A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY AND LEAD WALK WITH WATERFALL STEPS.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY MAIN STRUCTURE ON A VACANT LOT AND A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY AND LEAD WALK WITH WATERFALL STEPS BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED BY LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW TASK, EXCUSE ME, TASK FORCE FEEDBACK COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS, ONLY COMMENTS ARE THE REAR ROOF LINE VISIBLE FROM FRONT OF THE HOUSE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE SHOULD BE SCALED BACK IN ORDER TO BE LESS VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE BY PULLING IT TOWARDS THE BACK.
ALTERNATIVELY, EXTEND THE FRONT PORCH TO THE CORNERS OF THE HOUSE SO THAT THE EAVES FROM THE FRONT MINIMIZE THE VIEW OF THE BACK PORCH.
EASE PICTURE WINDOW ON THE BACK OF THE STRUCTURE SHOULD BE ONE OVER ONE DOUBLE GANGED WINDOWS AND CHIMNEY SHOULD BE CARRIED THROUGH THE ROOF LINE AND CLAD WITH EITHER BRICK VENEER OR SIDING TO MATCH THE HOUSE.
AND WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER FOR THIS.
AARON MCCARTON, ARE YOU WITH US AARON? I AM.
CAN YOU TELL ME IF YOU CAN HEAR ME? HOPEFULLY WE CAN HEAR YOU.
YOU MAY HAVE TO SPEAK UP A LITTLE MICROPHONE AND WE NEED YOU TO START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
AARON KARTEN ADDRESS IS 7 2 1 RIDGEWAY.
AND YOU PROMISE TO TELL US THE TRUTH TODAY? I I DO SWEAR OR AFFIRM WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO.
DO I, DO I NEED TO TURN UP MY MICROPHONE OR IS THIS OKAY? IT SOUNDS FINE NOW.
EVERYBODY GOOD? YEAH, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
WELL THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.
UH, IN REVIEWING THIS AND, AND PERHAPS PRIOR REVIEW TO THIS MEETING, UH, I'M GONNA PULL UP, I'M GONNA DO SCREEN SHARE HERE.
THIS, UH, CURSORY REVIEW IS IMPORTANT TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS AS THIS IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IN PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION 43 15 IS A VACANT LOT.
IT'S BEEN VACANT SINCE THE 1970S AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THE PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU CAN SEE MY SCREEN, UH, THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE CURRENT LOT TO THE LEFT OF THIS LOT ON THE SAME BLOCK ARE SINGLE FAMILY, UM, SINGLE STORY STRUCTURES.
AND THEN IF YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT, IT'S TWO STORY, UH, STRUCTURES.
AND THIS, THIS STRUCTURE IMMEDIATELY TO THE RIGHT IS A MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURE.
I PUT TOGETHER THIS, WHAT I'M CALLING A CONCEPTUAL MAP, TRYING TO DOCUMENT OUR THINKING ABOUT PERHAPS TWO OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PARAMETERS, SETBACK AND BUILDING HEIGHT.
SO SETBACK IS PRETTY CONSISTENT ACROSS THE ENTIRE BLOCK.
UH, BUILDING HEIGHT OF COURSE IS DIFFERENT 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT SINGLE STORY AND TWO STORY STRUCTURES SINCE WE'RE PROPOSING A TWO STORY STRUCTURE WHERE MORE OR LESS COMPARING OURSELVES TO THE OTHER PROPERTIES TO THE RIGHT OF ON THE BLOCK.
UM, AND IN ANY CASE, YOU KNOW, THE SETBACK IS PRETTY SIMILAR REGARDLESS, BUT WE ARE EXACTLY ALIGNING OURSELVES TO THE STEPBACK THAT WE SEE ON THE TWO STORY STRUCTURES TO THE RIGHT BUILDING HEIGHT.
UH, WE, WE ARE COMPARING OURSELVES MOST CLOSELY TO THE PROPERTY TWO HOUSES DOWN AT 44 0 3
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GENIUS.THAT HOUSE IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
IT'S ALSO A TWO STORY, IT'S ALSO A SINGLE FAMILY AND IT'S ALSO THE SAME FOUR SQUARE PRAIRIE ARCHITECTURAL STYLING.
THIS, UH, HOUSE OR THIS THE BUILDING RATHER IMMEDIATELY TO THE RIGHT THAT I MENTIONED.
THIS MULTIFAMILY IS QUITE A BIT TALLER THAN ANYTHING WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, JUST BY THE NATURE OF IT BEING QUITE A BIT WIDER.
UM, AND AS A CONSEQUENCE OF, OF, YOU KNOW, BEING A WIDER BUILDING.
AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO GO INTO THIS IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, HERE DURING DISCUSSION.
AND SO THE ELEVATIONS, HOPEFULLY IT'S EVIDENT THAT WE'VE TRYING TO PROPOSE SOMETHING THAT'S VERY FAMILIAR AND THOUGHTFUL TO THE DISTRICT, UM, AND ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ALL THE LITTLE DIMENSIONAL NUANCES THAT IT TAKES TO SUCCESSFULLY CREATE.
YOUR TIME RAN OUT, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO FIX THAT.
UH, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER REEVES.
AND DO YOU SECOND COMMISSIONER SHERMAN? YES MA'AM.
ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES.
AND YOU OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, GO ON AARON.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE, FOR EXAMPLE, LOOKING AT THE FRONT PORCH AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT, YOU KNOW, GETTING ALL THOSE PARTS AND PIECES OF A FRONT PORCH SO THAT, UH, DIMENSIONALLY, PROPORTIONALLY, UM, IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT.
AND YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY WE SEE A LOT OF, UH, HALF BAKED DESIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED OVER THE YEARS, ESPECIALLY IN PEAK SUBURBANS.
WE, WE HOPE THAT THIS IS A VERY, UH, SENSITIVE AND GENUINE, UH, PROPOSAL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS THIS PROPERTY IS OWNED BY WALKER AND MELISSA DUKE.
UH, THEY'RE LONGTIME RESIDENTS OF THE DISTRICT AND, UM, HAVE A VERY, UH, UH, HAVE, HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY ACTIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CERTAINLY HAVE A PASSION FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
SO, UM, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT, UH, YOU MIGHT HAVE.
I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS EARLIER.
SO WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST? COMMISSIONER AU I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO WIDENING THE PORCH SO THAT IT WAS THE SAME WIDTH AS THE, THE HOME SIMILAR TO THE, UM, UM, TO THE HOME NEXT DOOR THAT YOU REFERRED? THERE WAS, THERE WAS, UH, CONSIDERATION TO THAT INITIALLY TO HAVE A WRAPAROUND PORCH IS, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
UM, THEY, THEY ULTIMATELY, SORRY, THE ONLY THING I WAS GONNA MENTION WAS SO THAT IT WAS AT LEAST THE WIDTH OF THE HOUSE NOT NECESSARILY WRAPPING AROUND.
UM, YEAH, WHAT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT THE, THE, THE ROOF, THE PORCH ROOF TERMINATES INTO THE FACE OF THE BUILDING AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SEE, UM, INVARIABLY I'D SAY 50% OF THE TIME WITH THESE FOUR SQUARES.
AND SO, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE HOUSE TWO, TWO, UH, TWO PROPERTIES DOWN THAT WE'RE COMPARING OURSELVES TO, IT SIMILARLY HAS THIS, UH, DYNAMIC WHERE THE, THE PORCH IS NOT AS WIDE AS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THEREFORE THE PORCH ROOF CAN TERMINATE INTO THE FACE OF THE BUILDING.
UH, SO MY QUESTION HAS THE, UH, REVOLVES AROUND THE, THE TWO CHIMNEYS YOU HAVE? THEY ARE, ARE, ARE BOTH SIDED IN WOOD AND I THINK THOSE SHOULD BE BRICK, UM, TO MATCH THE OTHER CHIMNEYS IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR AT LEAST FACED WITH BRICK.
I GUESS YOU COULD DO A, A BRICK VENEER ON IT OR YOU KNOW, THIN VENEER IF YOU WANTED TO STILL STICK WITH, UM, A LIGHTER STRUCTURE FOR THE, UH, CHIMNEYS.
OKAY, THAT WAS MY QUESTION ALSO.
AND, AND THEY SEEMED A LITTLE BIT SHORT AS, AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT OF THE CHIMNEY COULD GO.
YEAH, IT SHOULD BE ALMOST AS TALL AS THE PEAK ON THE ROOF, UM, DEPENDING ON THE SLOPE.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A DRAFTING AREA ERROR.
SO YEAH, THEY, IT WILL CERTAINLY HAVE TO BE QUITE A BIT TALLER.
COM UH, I DUNNO IF ANYONE AT HOME.
IS IT OKAY, COMMISSIONER HARPER? UH, YEAH, JUST A SUGGESTION.
THE, THE PITCH OF THE, THE UPPER ROOF, YOU'RE SHOWING A SEVEN AND 12,
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THE PEAK SUBURBAN ORDINANCE SHOWS DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPES THAT ARE COMMON TO PEAK SUBURBAN.AND THEY DESCRIBED THE PRAIRIE HOMES AS HAVING A LOW PITCHED ROOF.
AND THERE'S SOME DIAGRAMS THERE THAT SHOW THAT IT WOULD GENERALLY BE UNDER A SIX AND 12, REALLY SOMETHING MORE LIKE A FOUR AND 12 LIKE YOU HAVE DOWN ON THE LOWER PORCH.
SO JUST A SUGGESTION, I THINK IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT TALL AND STEEP.
FOUR TRUE PRAIRIE STYLE SQUARE.
THAT, THAT IS IN FACT WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE.
IN FACT, WE EVEN SEE STEEPER PITCHES THAN THAT.
UM, AGAIN, IF WE LOOK AT EVEN THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, THAT'S VERY TYPICAL TO HAVE SEVEN, EIGHT, UH, TO 12 FOR EXAMPLE, PITCH.
UM, AND, AND THEN YES, THE LOWER ROOFS DO ALWAYS TEND TO HAVE, UM, UH, A LOWER PITCH.
AND WAS THAT THAT HIGHER PITCH NECESSARY? 'CAUSE THEY WANT HABITABLE SPACE UP IN THE ROOF WHERE THAT DORMER IS OR SOMETHING? OR THAT'S, I MEAN, IF, IF WE, IF WE DON'T DO THAT, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE SIMILAR TO OTHER, OTHER PROPERTIES.
UM, ONLY FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, I GO, I GO IN A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES WHEN YOU GO INTO MUGGER PLACE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE, IT HAS A LOT OF FOURSQUARES AND YOU MIGHT SEE AS LOW AS FIVE TO 12.
BUT, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT PRETTY STEEP PITCH ROOFS ON THESE, UM, ON THESE PRAIRIE FOUR FOUR SQUARE STYLE HOUSES.
SO YEAH, I MIGHT, IF I PULL UP, UM, THE, THE HOUSE THAT'S TWO, TWO PROPERTIES DOWN, UM, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE, JUST GIMME A SECOND, BUT YOU'LL SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
AND, AND IN FACT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU SEE IT FROM A HUMAN PERSPECTIVE, THESE, THESE PITCHES, IF YOU, FOR, IF FOR, IF FOR EXAMPLE, YOU ONLY HAD A FOUR TO FOUR TO 12 PITCH SLOPE WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY STANDING ON THE GROUND, IT WOULD LOOK LIKE THERE'S, YOU WOULD HARDLY EVEN SEE THE ROOF SURFACE, WHICH WOULD NOT BE GOOD.
UM, IT, AND SO IT'S REALLY ONLY IN THESE TWO DIMENSIONAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS THAT YOU, UM, KIND OF PERCEIVE IT THAT WAY.
I THINK SOME OF THEM ARE, ARE MORE STEEPER THAN, THAN WHAT MIGHT BE RECOMMENDED EVEN ON EVEN OUR REGIONAL BUILDING.
SOME OF US HAVE HELPS YOU FIT THE DORMER IN
YOU CAN'T HAVE A DORMER, UM, ON A LOW PITCH ROOF LIKE THAT.
IT'S LIKE WHAT YOU SEE IN THE DISTRICT.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? THIS IS YOUR TIME TO GUIDE WHAT COMES BACK TO US FOR OFFICIAL APPROVAL.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S PERFECT
I I DO, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU CHOSE SUCH, SUCH BEAUTIFUL WINDOW FORMS THAT PROBABLY COST A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT I, I DO LIKE THE, THE WAY THE, THE GLASS IS IN AND THE WINDOWS AND THEY'RE WOODEN, RIGHT? WOODEN WINDOWS? YES.
UM, EXTERIOR FINISH AND SIDING AND WHATNOT ON THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
OKAY, WELL IF NO ONE HAS ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS, I GUESS IT IS TIME TO SEND MR. KARTEN AWAY TO FINISH HIS DRAWINGS AND COME BACK TO US TO GET B, CA AND START ON THE WORK.
I APPRECIATE YOUR REVIEW AND COMMENTS.
WELL, GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT.
I THINK IT'S TURNING UP BEAUTIFULLY.
NOW WE'RE DOING CR THREE COURTESY REVIEW.
THREE IS AT 27 34 PARK ROW AVENUE IN THE SOUTH BOULEVARD PARK ROW.
HISTORIC DISTRICT CR 2 45 DASH 0 1 3 MW REQUEST NUMBER ONE COURTESY REVIEW CONSTRUCT A NEW ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY MAIN STRUCTURE ON A VACANT LOT.
TWO REQUEST NUMBER TWO, COURTESY REVIEW CONSTRUCT A NEW DETACHED ACCESSORY GARAGE STRUCTURE IN THE REAR YARD ON A VACANT LOT STAFF RECOMMENDATION, ONE COURTESY REVIEW.
THAT A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY MAIN STRUCTURE ON A VACANT LOT BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT
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THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION.REVIEWED ITEM NUMBER TWO, COURTESY REVIEW.
THAT A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW DETACHED ACCESSORY GARAGE STRUCTURE IN THE REAR YARD ON A VACANT LOT BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK PERMISSION REVIEW.
TASK FORCE FEEDBACK COURTESY REVIEW, GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE COMMENTS ARE THIS IS A CORNER LOT AND WILL BE VISIBLE FROM BOTH PARK ROW AND MALCOLM X.
SO APPLICANT SHOULD ANTICIPATE COMMENTS ON WHAT IS VISIBLE FROM BOTH STREETS.
NUMBER TWO, WE SUGGEST KEEPING THE SIDEWALK WATERFALL STEPS AT BOTH PARK ROW AND MALCOLM X AS THEY ARE BUT IS ACCEPTABLE TO REMOVE AND REPLACE THE PASS LEADING TO THE HOUSE.
ITEM THREE, AT THE NE AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE, WE SUGGEST REMOVING THE COLUMN SHOWN IN THE PLAN TO KEEP THE ARCH IN THE FRONT WALL SO THAT THE ENTRY IS LESS CONGESTED AND STILL RETAINS AN ENTRY ALCOVE PRESENCE.
WE BEGAN TO DIS, WE BEGAN TO DISCUSS THE SYMMETRY, GEOMETRY AND PROMINENT HEIGHTS OF THE FACADE ELEMENTS ON THE FRONT FACADE, BUT THE ELEVATION WAS NOT UP TO DATE.
FIVE NEED ON THE LACK OF A VISIBLE FIREPLACE, CHI SIX FENESTRATION ON THE MALCOLM X SIDE OF THE BUILDING WAS DISCUSSED.
WE FOCUSED ON THE LIVING ROOM WINDOWS THAT ARE ABOVE THE ROOF LINE AND SUGGESTED USING A DIFFERENT MATERIAL LIKE WOOD TO HELP BREAK UP THE FACADE LIKE THE NEIGHBORING SAMPLES.
WE DISCUSSED THE FOUNDATION AND REVIEWED THE NEIGHBORING EXAMPLES OF LOWER FOUNDATION HEIGHTS SLAB ON GRAY.
THAT THAT IS VISIBLY A FOOT ABOVE GROUND MAY BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LOCATION.
LASTLY, WE RECOMMEND INCLUDING THE FENCE IN THE DESIGN DRAWINGS.
YOU HAVE A TYPE COPY THAT MR. WILLIAMS ARE, DO YOU WANT TO SHARE YOUR SCREEN OR DO WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PUT UP THE DRAWINGS? OKAY, IF YOU COULD SHARE YOUR SCREEN.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT.
OF COURSE YOU CAN'T HEAR ME 'CAUSE I DIDN'T TURN MY MICROPHONE ON.
BUT WE DO NEED TO SEE YOU ON CAMERA.
THERE'S A STATE LAW THAT AS FAR AS THAT.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HERE.
YOU CAN'T SEE, UH, WELL NOW I SEE WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN.
I MEAN, YEAH, WE'RE JUST SEEING YOUR, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY HAD YOUR INITIAL IN A BLANK SPACE.
I'M TRYING TO, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S NOT SHOWING ME.
WE HAVE OCCASIONAL ISSUES WITH THAT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY HINTS? DOES HE HAVE THIS VIRUS? SOMETIMES I'VE DONE THAT.
JUST MAKE SURE THAT ANYWHERE ON THE SCREEN DOES IT.
CAN IT, CAN IT, DOES IT SHOW THE, THE VIDEO WITH A CROSS THROUGH IT? YOU NEED TO HIT START VIDEO THERE.
OKAY, SO NOW I NEED YOU TO TELL ME YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND SWEAR PROMISE OR AFFIRM YOU'LL TELL THE TRUTH.
ALL MY NAME IS DANTE WILLIAMS. UH, MY ADDRESS IS 1636 FOR HARBOR DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS.
AND I SWEAR I'M GONNA TELL THE TRUTH.
ASHLEY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO IN THIS KIND BECAUSE IT'S NOT OFFICIALLY ILLEGAL YET.
WE'RE JUST DOING A COURTESY REVIEW, BUT I'M GLAD YOU'RE GONNA TELL US THE TRUTH.
IT WOULD BE POINTLESS TO NOT TELL US THE TRUTH SINCE WE'RE TRYING TO HELP YOU, RIGHT,
SO WHY DON'T YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
OKAY, SO MY PROJECT AT 27 34, UH, PARK ROAD.
UM, IT'S THE DESIGN THAT I WAS GOING FOR, I BELIEVE, WELL I WAS CALLING IT TUTOR, BUT I WAS, UH, INFORMED THAT IT'S, IT WAS A DOIC STYLE.
IT'S BASICALLY SIMILAR TO THE HOME NEXT DOOR.
UH, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT.
UM, IT'S A, UH, THREE BEDROOM, THREE AND A HALF.
UH, I KNOW DALLAS IS GROWING AND I NOTICED LIKE A STREET IS UNDERPERFORMING AND I KIND OF JUST WANTED TO BRING SOME VALUE BACK TO THAT AREA.
YOU KNOW, WE, I'VE, I'VE NOTICED THAT RECENTLY THERE'S BEEN A FEW NEW DEALS OVER THERE AND I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY GET A PROPERTY THERE TO UH, TRY TO BRING, YOU KNOW, SOME, UH, INTEREST BACK TO THAT COMMUNITY AND BACK TO THAT STREET.
AND SO THAT'S WHY ME AND MY WIFE DECIDED TO, UH, PURCHASE THE LOT AND GO WITH THIS, THIS STYLE
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OF DESIGN TO HOPEFULLY MEET THE NEEDS AND MEET THE CRITERIA OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ON THE STREET.ALRIGHT, NOW WE'LL ASK, HAVE ANY, OH, WE'LL ASK THE COMMISSIONERS WHAT THEIR QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ARE ABOUT THIS, IF THEY HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS THEY WOULD MAKE THAT WOULD, UM, HELP THIS PROPERTY GET ITS FINAL APPROVAL WHEN YOU COME BACK FOR THAT.
NO, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THE DETAILS.
UM, I NOTICE THE, THE WINDOW DETAIL AND I'M NOT SURE IF THERE WAS A, UH, A LARGER DETAIL DRAWN, BUT, UM, UH, AND ON SOME WINDOWS YOU'RE SHOWING A ROLL LOCK RATHER THAN A SOLDIER COURSE.
UM, AT THE TOP, UM, BASICALLY A BRICK THAT'S ON ITS, UH, VERTICAL SIDE.
UH, IT'S JUST A COMMON DETAIL AROUND THE, THE HEAD OF ALL OF THE, THE WINDOWS.
UM, LIKE I SAID, I NOTICED YOU SHOWED IT ON SOME, BUT NOT ON ALL.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WAS WONDERING ABOUT WAS, UM, HOW THE BRICK WAS GONNA BE SUPPORTED ON THE DORMER THAT'S FACING THE, THE FRONT OF THE STREET.
UM, NORMALLY IF IT'S NOT DIRECTLY IN PLAIN WITH THE, WITH THE BRICK 'CAUSE THE, UM, WITH THE BRICK ON THE GROUND FLOOR, BECAUSE IT'S LOAD BEARING, UH, IT, YOU HAVE TO CARRY THAT WEIGHT OBVIOUSLY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE GROUND.
AND USUALLY YOU NEED STEEL TO SUPPORT IT UP THERE.
UM, YOU COULD, UM, UH, POTENTIALLY SIDE IT WITH, UH, WITH SIDING INSTEAD OF INSTEAD OF BRICK.
AND THEN I REALIZE YOU'RE DOING A, A VERTICAL WINDOW IN THOSE FRONT TWO BEDROOM, NOT VERTICAL, SORRY, A HORIZONTAL ONE.
UM, IT LOOKED LIKE ABOVE THE, THE BED WALL.
UM, NORMALLY IN PARTICULARLY IN IN TUDOR STYLE HOMES OR THE OTHER STYLE YOU, YOU'D MENTIONED.
UH, YOU DON'T DO THE HORIZONTAL WINDOWS LIKE THAT.
ONE THING I WOULD SUGGEST IS TO DO A VERTICAL ON THE SIDE, SORRY, ON THE SIDE OF THE BED INSTEAD OF, UH, OVER THE, OVER THE HEAD OF THE BED.
UH, MAYBE IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT NARROWER, BUT YEAH, IT COULD BE VERTICAL THERE IN THE CORNER INSTEAD OF, UH, INSTEAD OF HORIZONTAL.
UM, I THINK THERE WAS ONE QUESTION FROM THE TASK FORCE ON HOW THE CHIMNEY WOULD, UH, UH, PENETRATE THE ROOF.
THERE WASN'T ANYTHING SHOWN ON THE, NEITHER THE ROOF LINE NOR THE ELEVATIONS.
THIS HAS BEEN REVISED SINCE TASK FORCE.
THAT'S THE LAST OF MY SUGGESTIONS.
ANYTHING ELSE? UH, LET'S SEE IF ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY.
COMMISSIONER OSI? I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, THAT WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED IS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING, SO CORRECT.
MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE CORRECT.
YEAH, I WAS MOSTLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S FACING TOWARD THE CORNER.
I MEAN TOWARD THE OTHER STREET.
BUT YES, IT, IT WOULD BE THE, IT WOULD BE THE THIS ONE DOWN.
BUT BOTH OF THEM REALLY, 'CAUSE THAT WINDOW FORM JUST DOES NOT APPEAR EXACTLY IN ANY STYLE LIKE THIS.
AND THEN THAT'S THE OTHER SHOW I HAD WITH THE, THE, UH, THE GABLE ON THAT SIDE IS THAT, OH, DON'T GO UP, DON'T GO UP, GO BACK WHERE YOU WERE.
THAT GABLE JUST TERMINATES, UH, KEEP, NO, THE GABLE WITH THE STUCK UP RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT, THAT TERMINATION THAT I THINK THAT THAT GABLE SHOULD GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE ROOF OR MAYBE THAT BECAUSE OF THE ROOF, THAT SECTION, DOES THAT SECTION COME OUT FURTHER? THAT SECTION COMES OUT FURTHER, DOESN'T IT? OKAY.
THAT SECTION COME, WELL IT GOES, IT'S UP TALLER.
IT'S UH, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S 12 FOOT CEILINGS IN THERE BECAUSE I ASKED MY ARCHITECT ABOUT THAT AND HE SAID DUE TO THAT, THAT BEING 12 FOOT CEILINGS.
AND I THINK IT, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT KICKS OUT.
BUT HE, THEY SAID DUE TO THAT REASONING, THAT'S WHY I WAS UP LIKE THAT, IT SHOCKED ME 'CAUSE I WANTED IT TO COME DOWN.
IT'S JUST LIKE HOW IT IS IN THE FRONT.
I WANTED IT TO COME ALL THE WAY DOWN AS WHERE.
WELL MAYBE HE JUST LOOKS INTO THAT A LITTLE MORE AND SEE.
WELL, YEAH, IT'S REALLY BECAUSE THE GABLE DOESN'T HAVE ANY RAKE ON IT.
OH, IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? THE NATURE CABLE.
SO THE, THE OVERHANG COMES OUT FARTHER THAN THE, THAN THE ROOF ON THAT GABLE, SO.
THAT'S WHY IT COMES OUT AND, OKAY.
UH, AND I GUESS THEN JUST ON THE, THE FRONT ELEVATION, UM, IN THE DORMER THERE, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THOSE ARE, ARE DOUBLE HUNG.
UM, BUT I THINK THEY SHOULD BE DOUBLE HUNG ON THERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A ONE SINGLE PIECE INSTEAD OF A OH, SO IT'S, IT'S A PIECE OF WOOD RIGHT IN THE CENTER.
JUST LIKE ON THE LOWER WINDOWS WE HAVE A,
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UH, TWO, IT'S TWO SINGLE, SINGLE UH, WINDOWS.THAT WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE, I DON'T KNOW IF THE, THE WORD IS CALLED, BUT IT'S A PIECE OF WOOD IN BETWEEN BOTH OF THEM.
JUST LIKE ON THE LOWER WINDOWS.
YEAH, YOU WOULD HAVE TWO SASHES.
TWO SASHES WOULD MEAN TWO MOVABLE.
WELL ONE CAN BE FIXED, BUT IT'S STILL A, UM, A PIECE OF WOOD THAT SURROUNDS A A, A PIECE OF GLASS.
SO YOU'D HAVE AN UPPER ONE AND A LOWER ONE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS ALL JUST ONE, ONE LARGE PIECE RATHER THAN TWO SEPARATE ONES.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE THESE TWO
BUT DO YOU, YOU GUYS RECOMMEND JUST ONE WINDOW? NO, NO, NO.
JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE TWO SASHES IN EACH WINDOW.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? CORRECT.
ANYTHING ELSE? UH, THIS IS COMMERCIAL LIVING CENTER.
I WAS TRYING TO LOOK FOR THE SURFACE OF THAT.
IT JUST SAYS SMOOTH PANEL WOOD SIDING.
DO YOU HAVE A, IN THAT ARCH UHHUH? ABOVE THE ABOVE? YEAH.
IS THERE A SAMPLE OF THAT LOOKS LIKE, UM, NO, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A SAMPLE OF IT, BUT I WAS JUST, I WAS GOING TO GRAB SOME WOOD, JUST UH, SOME JUST WOOD SIDING THAT YOU GUYS NORMALLY WOULD ACCEPT.
I DON'T HAVE A SAMPLE OF IT, BUT I CAN HAVE A SAMPLE ON THE NEXT ONE IF NEED BE.
WELL, I THINK IT SHOULD MATCH WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE SIDE GABLES.
THAT WHICH IS THE TEXTURED WOOD SIDING.
YOU HAVE TO CALL THAT A TEXTURED WOOD SIDING IN THE SIDES.
AND YOU PROBABLY SHOULD MATCH THIS.
IT SHOULD BE THE SAME ON THE FRONT, BUT WHATEVER TEXTURE.
YEAH, I I THINK PRETTY COMMONLY YOU WOULD SEE A, A STUCCO FINISH ON THAT RATHER THAN RIGHT WOOD SIDING.
IT WOULD BE SE CEMENTITIOUS RATHER THAN WOOD.
SO, AND BY WOOD, IN OTHER WORDS, WE DON'T WANNA SEE THE, THE LAPS LIKE HORIZONTAL LINES.
UM, IT OUGHT APPEAR AS ONE FINISH.
AND GENERALLY THAT'S STUCCO, LIKE I SAID, CEMENTITIOUS.
COMMISSIONER REEVES, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TURN AROUND THE TWO WINDOWS AND THE DORM.
WOULD THAT BE STUCCO TOO? 'CAUSE IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT IT BE A WOOD SIDING.
IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE FITTING, YEAH.
OH, IF, IF THEY ABANDONED THE BRICK BECAUSE OF THE STRUCTURAL ISSUE, THEY COULD INSTEAD OF SIDING, HAVE STUCCO.
SO IT MATCHES WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
SEEMS LIKE A GOOD IDEA OR ELECTRONIC.
FOR SOME CONTINUITY I GUESS ON THOSE AREAS THAT ARE NEITHER BRICK NOR STONE EITHER WAY, ACTUALLY.
UM, I THINK IT'S FINE EITHER WAY.
ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONERS ON THE SIDE OF THE YES, I'M LOOKING AT THE TEXT.
I'M LOOKING AT THE ELEVATION FOR THE, I GUESS IT WOULD BE EAST AND WEST SIDE.
NOTHING AS FAR AS A UM, GABLE VENT OR LIKE A VENT, UH, ON THE SIDE THERE.
I MEAN THAT'S TYPICAL ON THIS IS TO HAVE THOSE ON THE SIDES WITH THE UM, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S AS TYPICAL WHEN THEY'VE GOT STICK WORK LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD KIND OF INTERRUPT THE EFFECT.
IT WOULD STILL BE A PRACTICAL THING.
SO I THINK OCCASIONALLY THEY MAKE A VENT OUTTA STICK WORK, SORT OF THAT, THAT'S STILL AT THAT.
BUT UM, IS THERE ONE IN THE FRONT OF THAT GABLE IN THE ROOF? IN THAT ROOF? BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE VENTILATION BUT WE WON'T BE THERE, YOU KNOW, TO REGRET IT IF THERE ISN'T ENOUGH OR MAYBE THAT WILL BE PERFECT THERE, BUT, OKAY.
ANYTHING ELSE EVERYBODY? I'M JUST, I'M JUST SURPRISED THAT NO ONE'S MENTIONED THE LACK OF WINDOWS ON THE TOP ELEVATION.
UM, THAT ONE FACES THE OTHER HOUSE.
AND THERE DON'T SEEM TO BE ANY
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WINDOWS ON THE SIDE VERY MUCH, WHICH IS ODD.BUT, UM, COULD YOU TELL US SIR, WHAT, WHAT IS THE REASONING BEHIND THAT? OH, SO MAJORITY OF THAT SPAN IS THE, IS THE, WELL, SO THAT'S MOVING FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, WHICH YOU SEE THE, THE WINDOW, HORIZONTAL WINDOW THAT YOU WANTS ME TO CREATE TO BE VERTICAL.
RIGHT AFTER THAT IS THE RESTROOM.
AND THEN RIGHT AFTER THAT IS THE KITCHEN AND THAT'S A, A LONG WALL OF KITCHEN CABINETS.
AND THEN AFTER THAT IS THE PANTRY.
AND THEN A, UH, IT'S THE MASTER CLOSET AND THEN THE BEDROOM, WHEN YOU SEE THE TWO WINDOWS, THAT'S THE BEDROOM.
SO REALLY THERE'S, THERE'S NO NEED FOR ANY WINDOWS ON THAT.
AND UM, BUT SOMETIMES THERE IS AN AESTHETIC NEED FOR WINDOWS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE SO THAT IT LOOKS NORMAL.
IS THIS, UM, SIDE OF THE HOUSE PARTICULARLY VISIBLE OR DOES THE NEIGHBORS BLOCK IT? NO, THE NEIGHBORS BLOCK THAT.
SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO, BEFORE YOU COME BACK FOR YOUR FINAL APPROVAL, BE READY TO SHOW US LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY GIVE US A 3D MODEL, SOME IDEA OF HOW WELL YOU'D SEE IT AND YOU COULD ADD A COUPLE WINDOWS MORE TOWARDS THE FRONT.
I MEAN, MOST PEOPLE LIKE A WINDOW IN THE KITCHEN SO YOU CAN LOOK OUT WHILE YOU'RE WORKING.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WELL I HAVE A, SO I HAVE THE STOVE ON THAT WALL AND IF I COULD DO A WINDOW, IT'D BE A, IT'D BE ANOTHER HORIZONTAL WINDOW.
BUT YOU GUYS DON'T RECOMMEND THE HORIZONTAL WINDOW.
YEAH, NOT THE HORIZONTAL, BUT JUST TO CONSIDER, YOU STILL HAVE TIME TO EXPLORE.
IF YOU WANNA TRY TO FIT A WINDOW INTO THE KITCHEN, THEY'RE USUALLY OVER THE SINK.
YOU COULD ALWAYS, I GUESS, SWITCH THE STOVE IN THE SINKS.
SINKS WHEN YOU'RE DOING DISHES.
IT'S NICE TO LOOK OUT SOMETIMES.
SO ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STOVE YOU COULD DO A SINGLE HUNG THAT'S AT COUNTER HEIGHT THAT THAT'S A, A SHORTER WINDOW THAN THE OTHERS.
SO MIGHT EXPLORE SOME OPTIONS AND BE READY TO SHOW US IF, IF YOU'RE IN, IF THERE'S REALLY NO WAY TO PUT NEW WINDOWS ON THAT SIDE, YOU MIGHT WANNA SHOW US A GOOD IDEA OF HOW THAT'S GOING TO LOOK WHEN PEOPLE PASS BY.
ARE THEY GONNA SEE THIS LONG BLANK WALL OR NOT? OKAY.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT.
WE DON'T REALLY CARE WHETHER THE, THE PEOPLE INSIDE GET WINDOWS, BUT PEOPLE DO LIKE WINDOWS.
I TELL YOU THAT THEY LIKE THE PEOPLE.
OH, WELL HEY LISTEN, MY FIRST DESIGN, I HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF WINDOWS THAT WE DID SOME CORRECTIONS.
YOU OVERCORRECTED A COMMON MISTAKE.
ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER? RE IF YOU JUST SWITCH THE SINK IN THE STOVE, MY, MY STOVE'S IN THE ISLAND, IT'S IDEAL.
UH, THEN, THEN YOU COULD HAVE A, A WINDOW OF THE SINK.
IT IS A FAIRLY COMMON LAYOUT AND A LOT OF TIMES THE STOVE IS THE THING IN THE ISLAND AREA.
THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE GATHER AROUND WHILE YOU'RE COOKING AND TELL YOU TO ADD MORE SALT OR WHATEVER.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT WORK OUT JUST FINE, BUT THAT, THAT'S FOR Y'ALL TO WORK OUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW.
WE'RE GIVING YOU IDEAS AND SO NOW YOU KNOW, YOU AT LEAST HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT WALL IN SOME WAY.
WELL, I'M GONNA LET YOU KNOW IT'LL BE TWO MORE, IT'LL BE TWO MORE WINDOWS.
I HAVE TWO MORE WINDOWS BLINKING THE STOVE.
UH, SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT COMMERS JUST WANTED TO MENTION, UH, COMMISSIONER PERI WAS CORRECT WHEN HE HAD MENTIONED ABOUT THE, UH, SIDE ELEVATION.
UM, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE FRONT ELEVATION AGAIN, AND THERE IS IN FACT A RAKE.
YOUR, YOUR, UH, ROOF PLAN IS INCORRECT A LITTLE BIT ANYWAY.
IT'S THE DETAIL WHERE THE, THE VALLEY HITS OR RATHER THE, THE GABLE HITS THE YEAH, YEAH.
THEY ARE IN FACT IN THE SAME PLANE.
SO IT WOULD COME DOWN FARTHER YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS IS SHOWING THAT THE, AS I WAS MENTIONING, THE ROOF IS, IS FARTHER ON THE HIP RATHER THAN ON THE GABLE.
AND IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ROOF PLAN, IT'S NOT, SO, I KNOW THAT'S JUST A DRAWN, UH, UH, ISSUE, BUT, ALL RIGHTY.
I THINK THAT'S IT FOR THIS ONE.
DID YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, MR. WILLIAMS? NO, I, I'M, I'M, I'M OKAY.
THEN WE WILL LET YOU GO AND DO YOUR WORK ON REVISING THIS AND WE'LL SEE YOU BACK AGAIN WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE READY TO MAKE YOUR REQUEST FOR IT.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 4 6 0 3 3.
BRIAN PARKWAY, SWISS AVENUE, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 4 5 3 1 9 CP REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE WINDOWS NUMBER 1 6 14 AND 38 IN THE APPLICATION WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS.
REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE WINDOWS TWO THROUGH FIVE, SEVEN THROUGH 13 AND 15 THROUGH 37 IN THE APPLICATION WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS STAFF.
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THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE WINDOWS 1, 6 14 AND 38 IN THE APPLICATION BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT ALL REPLACEMENT WINDOWS ARE ALL WOOD INSIDE AND OUT WITH NO CLADDING PER SPECIFICATIONS DATED 4 7 20 25.THE WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 63 116 1 P SIX, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE WINDOWS TWO THROUGH FIVE, SEVEN THROUGH 13 AND 15 THROUGH 37 IN THE APPLICATION BEING DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE EXISTING ORIGINAL WINDOWS ARE REPAIRABLE, THE WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 63 16 1 P SIX, THE STANDARD IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTION STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE TO INSTALL NEW CLA WOOD WINDOWS BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
TASK FORCE RECOMMEND WINDOWS IN FRONT OF HOUSE BE REPAIRED, THAT WINDOWS BE WOOD, AND THAT ANY WINDOWS THAT ARE SALVAGEABLE BE SALVAGE.
UH, LET ME NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER OFFIT HAS RECUSED HIMSELF FROM THIS, UM, ITEM.
AND NOW WE HAVE RE-REGISTERED SPEAKERS AND I DON'T KNOW WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST.
WE HAVE LEE SCHMIDT, HEATHER BROWN, AND ALEC JOHNS.
UH, MY NAME IS LEE SCHMIDT I LIVE AT.
OKAY SIR, WE ALSO NEED YOU TO GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS AND THEN I NEED YOU TO SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOU'RE GOING TO TELL US THE TRUTH.
I LIVE AT 8 4 4 EAST BELTLINE ROAD IN LANCASTER, TEXAS.
AND I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
ALRIGHT SIR, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO DISCUSS WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR FOLKS PROJECT.
SO, UH, THIS IS A HOME THAT WE PURCHASED MY WIFE AND I.
IT'S MY FOURTH HOME IN SWISS AVENUE DISTRICT.
UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT SINCE NOVEMBER OF 2023.
IT'S A COMPLETE REVIEW INSIDE AND, UH, THE OUTSIDE HAS STAYED THE SAME OF COURSE.
AND WE'VE MADE A REAL EFFORT TO TRY TO RE UH, RESTORE THESE WINDOWS.
THIS HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY OWNED BY THE RAGSDALE FAMILY FOR OVER 70 YEARS.
I LIVED ACROSS THE STREET FOR 20 YEARS.
UM, A LOT OF THE WINDOWS, THE RAGSDALES WERE NICE PEOPLE, BUT THEY DIDN'T DO MUCH IN THE HOUSE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
A LOT OF THE WINDOWS WERE NAILED SHUT.
UH, SIX OR SEVEN OF THE WINDOWS WERE REMOVED FOR AIR CONDITIONING UNITS.
UH, GERALD HAD A BIG TRAIN COLLECTION UPSTAIRS.
ONE OF THE WINDOWS WAS BRICKED IN TO MOVE A WALL TO ACCOMMODATE THESE, UH, TRAINS.
UM, TWO OR THREE OF THE WINDOWS IN THE BACK ARE FROM A NON-ORIGINAL STRUCTURE THAT WAS ADDED IN THE 1980S.
UM, WHEN WE WENT BEFORE THE LANDMARK COMMISSION EARLIER, UH, LAST MONTH, WE WANTED TO REDO OR BUY OR PUT IN NEW WINDOWS FOR ABOUT 30 OF THE, THE, UH, EXISTING WINDOWS.
UH, THERE WAS RECOMMENDATION MADE THAT WE SHOULD SPEAK WITH PETER BERG.
I THINK IT WAS A DALLAS, UH, HISTORIC WINDOW EXPERT IN THIS AREA.
UM, PETER CAME BACK AND SAID US A REPORT THAT SAID 80% OF THE WINDOWS COULD NOT BE RESTORED, UH, THAT THE WINDOWS AT THE FRONT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE RESTORED USING BITS AND PIECES OF THE OLD WINDOW.
UM, WE'VE HAD SOME BURGLARIES IN THE HOUSE AND A LOT OF THE WINDOWS WERE DAMAGED TO THE BURGLARY AND A LOT OF THE WINDOWS WERE DAMAGED FROM, UH, UH, JUST AGE AND, AND, UH, NOT BE TAKEN CARE OF.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHY STAFF THINKS WE CAN REPAIR THE WINDOWS.
I TALKED TO MR. BERG AGAIN TODAY.
I HAVE ANOTHER EMAIL, PHONE, UH, THAT I CAN DISTRIBUTE, BUT IT SAYS, UH, I CONSULTED WITH MY SON JP REGARDING THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
UM, HE HAS THE SAME OPINION I DO.
FRONT AND UPPER WINDOWS COULD BE REPAIRED, ALTHOUGH NOT FUNCTIONAL, USING SOME OF THE EXISTING DAMAGED WINDOWS CONCERNING THE REMAINING SUBSTANTIALLY DAMAGED WOODEN SASH WINDOWS.
WE BOTH AGREED THAT WE WOULD'VE BEEN UNABLE TO SATISFACT TO REPAIR, RESTORE THEM TO ANY STRUCTURAL STRONG CONDITION AND CERTAINLY NOT OPERABLE, WHICH WOULD BE SAFETY ISSUE IN THE BEDROOMS. I-B-C-I-R-C AND DALLAS RESIDENTIAL WINDOW FIRE CODE.
WE CONTRACTED WITH LINCOLN WINDOWS TO, UH, PURCHASE THE WINDOWS THAT WE, THERE'S OUT OF THE TOTAL, THERE'S 23 DAMAGED GROUND REPAIR.
UH, THREE IN THE BACK ARE NOT ORIGINAL AND THEY'RE ALSO DAMAGED.
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STAINED WINDOW.SEVEN RESTORABLE BUT NOT OPERABLE.
THREE REMOVED FOR AC, NOT INCLUDING THE ONES IN THE BACK AND ONE SALVAGEABLE WINDOW.
UH, SO THERE'S TWO WINDOWS THAT CAN BE, UH, RETAINED ACCORDING TO THE EXIT.
OH, LAST, YEAH, LET'S JUST GONNA, I KNOW THAT, UM, OKAY.
MY NAME'S HEATHER BROWN AND I LIVE AT 1100 EATON IN RICHARDSON.
AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
UM, WE JUST THOUGHT WE WOULD DO A LITTLE BIT OF SHOW AND TELL WITH THE LINCOLN WINDOW JUST TO SHOW.
I KNOW THAT WHEN WE APPEARED BEFORE THE COMMISSION OF LIKE LAST MONTH, THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE SASH AND THE SDLS AND SO WE WERE JUST WANTING TO SHOW THAT THE, THE SDLS, THEY WILL NOT LOOK LIKE THIS.
THEY WILL LOOK LIKE EXACTLY WHAT'S ON THE HOUSE CURRENTLY.
UM, BUT THEY WILL STICK OUT AN EIGHTH OF AN INCH.
SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THOSE.
THE SHADOWS SHOULD LOOK THE SAME.
AND THEN ON THE INTERIOR THEY PICK OUT LIKE THREE S OF AN INCH.
SO THEY, THEY ARE DEFINITELY MEANT TO LOOK LIKE HISTORICAL WINDOWS AND THEY ARE PRIMED WOOD WINDOWS.
ALRIGHT, SO I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF I COULD ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO WHAT ABOUT ALEC JOHNS? HELLO? YOU KNOW THE DRILL BY NOW.
NAME, ADDRESS, PROMISE, STILL THE TRUTH? YES MA'AM.
ALEC JOHNS 74 10 PRIMROSE SERVING TEXAS.
UM, I'M WITH AXIOM BUILDERS AND UM, UH, LEE ASKED US TO COME IN AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AS WELL.
UH, WE'RE ALSO HELPING HIM WITH THE PROJECT, BUT WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND LIKE HE SAID, AND PETER HAD MENTIONED THAT THE, UH, EXISTING WINDOWS, I MEAN ON THE FRONT TO PIECE, YOU KNOW, PIECING TOGETHER FROM OTHER WINDOWS, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A VERY, YOU KNOW, GOOD THING.
I MEAN, HE'S, HE'S UH, YOU KNOW, LINCOLN WINDOW IS, IS AN APPROVED WINDOW OVER THERE AND UH, HOPEFULLY WE CAN, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION TO DO THE NEW WINDOWS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DEC THESE OTHER ONES THAT ARE ALL, UM, A LOT OF THE WEIGHTS WERE MISSING, UM, FROM THE ONES THAT WERE IN HOUSE.
SO, UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THAT, WELL WE PROBABLY HAVE SOME I WILL ASK.
SO HAVE YOU, THE WINDOWS YOU PROPOSED TO SPECIFY YOU HAVE FOUND THEM THAT THEY PRECISELY MATCH, INFORM AND SIZE AND CONFIGURATION, THE ONES THAT ARE IN THERE IN THE HOUSE ALREADY? YES, MA'AM.
AND ALSO STAFF WOULD LIKE US TO NOTE THAT YOU MENTIONED A REPORT FROM THE, UM, WINDOW EXPERT, MR. SCHMIDT, THAT YOU HAD RECEIVED THAT HAS NOT BEEN RECEIVED BY STAFF.
AND THEREFORE IF YOU WANT IT ENTERED IN THIS RECORD, THEY MUST RECEIVE IT.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER, I SEE COMMISSIONER PRECI IS READY TO GO.
UH, COULD YOU TURN THE WINDOW AROUND THE SAMPLE WINDOW? 'CAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE INSIDE
THIS IS THE, THIS PRIME, THIS IS THE PRIME WOOD.
SO IT'S NOT CLAD AND ANYTHING.
IT'S, IT'S WOOD, IT'S ACTUAL WOOD AND AS THE, AND SO THEY WILL COMPLETELY FIT THE OPENINGS.
YOU WON'T HAVE TO BLOCK ANY OPENING PART OF THE OPENINGS TO GET THEM IN.
ARE THOSE AHEAD PAINS? ARE THOSE PANS FRAMED IN OR ARE THEY ON THE TOP OF THE GLASS? I CAN'T TELL FROM HERE.
UM, WELL THEY'RE FDL SO THEY ARE ON TOP OF THE GLASS ON TOP.
COULD I COME OVER THERE AND JUST LOOK AT IT CLOSER SO I CAN SEE IT? WELL, IT'S A LONG WAY OVER THERE.
WE'RE NOT
YEAH, IT'LL BE THAT YOU WON'T BOTHER.
ALRIGHT, SO WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS THAT PEOPLE HAVE? SO WE HAVE TO COME FOR SOMETHING HERE, SO ASK MORE QUESTION ONE.
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ONE MORE QUESTION.SO I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT TO TRY AND PUT TOGETHER THE WORDS AND THE, AND THE PICTURES AT THE SAME TIME, BUT I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONES THAT POTENTIALLY CAN BE RESTORED ARE 2, 4, 5, 6 AND THEN SEVEN, EIGHT AND NINE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'S, THERE'S ONLY ABOUT NINE OF THEM THAT CAN BE RESTORED.
I JUST WAS WONDERING WHICH ELEVATION THOSE WERE ON.
UH, SO THEY'RE THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO FOCUS ON.
AND PETER CAN'T, UM, HE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE FUNCTIONAL.
HE, HE'S GONE THROUGH AND WE'VE SPENT QUITE SOME TIME ON IT.
UM, WE HAD A A, UH, WE THOUGHT A CHANCE TO GET THE ONES ON THE UPSTAIRS OPERABLE, BUT THE ONES FOR DOWNSTAIRS, HE SAYS THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE OUR JOB.
COMMISSIONER PERI, THAT WAS MY QUESTION ABOUT THE OPERABILITY OF THE WINDOWS.
DID YOU, WAS THAT A REQUIREMENT THAT ALL THE WINDOWS BE OPERABLE OR COULD SOME OF THEM BE FIXED REQUIREMENT? BY WHO? BY YOU.
WE WERE TRYING TO, WELL, I'D LIKE HIM TO BE OPERABLE.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE AN OPERABLE WINDOWS BY FIRE CODE, BUT PETER TOLD ME, NOT AN EXPERT AT, IN THE BEDROOM.
THE CODE IS OKAY, SO THE MASTER BEDROOM UPSTAIRS.
SO THAT, YEAH, THAT WOULD THAT'VE TO BE OPERABLE.
UM, WE THINK WE CAN MAKE THOSE OPERABLE.
THE ONES DOWNSTAIRS, PETER SAID HE'S, HE'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE UP AND DOWN.
I MEAN, MY, MY THOUGHT WOULD BE IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE DID ALLOW REPLACEMENT ON THE SIDE THAT YOU CONSOLIDATE OR THAT THE FRONT FACADE WOULD BE THE HISTORIC WINDOWS CONSOLIDATED, REPAIRED OR WHATEVER, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULDN'T REPLACE THE SIDES, THAT WOULD, COULD BE THE NEWER ONE IF IT CAME DOWN TO THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM COMMISSIONERS? WE HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
I AM SURE EVERYONE'S JUST THINKING ABOUT WHICH WINDOWS THEY NEED TO CALL.
WHICH NUMBER WHEN THEY MAKE THEIR MOTION AS WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
NO ONE WANTS TO MAKE MISTAKE AND CHAIR.
YES, COMMISSIONER RE ARE WE ALLOWED TO, TO ACCEPT THOSE WINDOWS THAT, THAT ARE NOT ACCORDING TO A FOIL THAT ARE NOT WHAT THEY'RE NOT INDIVIDUALLY FRAMED? WE, WE STAFF WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO APPROVE THAT, BUT WE COULD TOO.
USUALLY OUR OPPOSITION TO THE ONES WE REALLY OPPOSE ARE THE ONES WHERE IT'S JUST A FAKE GRILL IN BETWEEN THE GLASS AND IT DOESN'T CAST ANY SHADOW.
IF YOU WANNA GO LOOK AT IT LIKE I DID, YOU CAN DECIDE FOR YOURSELF WHETHER THIS ONE CAST ADEQUATE SHADOWING LIKE A, A REGULAR ONE.
IT'S NOT EXACTLY LIKE THE OLD WINDOWS IN LIKE MY HOUSE OR SOMETHING.
IT DOESN'T STICK OUT AND FIGHT THE SAME YOU HAVE IN THE PAST APPROVED THE APPLIED BUTTONS.
UM, JUST SO LONG AS THEY'RE NOT BETWEEN THE DOUBLE PAN GLASS.
UM, IT, IT HAS BEEN APPROVED BEFORE.
JUST SAY THAT WE, WE, WE COULD APPROVE THE OTHER KIND IF WE WANTED TO WITH THE RULE BECAUSE IF WE HAVE, WE JUST WON'T EVER DO THAT.
BUT, UM, THIS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO GO SEE IT.
I WANTED TO SEE UP CLOSE WHAT KIND OF TEXTURE IT ACTUALLY HAD TO SEE WHAT I THOUGHT IT WOULD ACTUALLY DO.
WE COULD TURN OUT THE LIGHTS, SIGN A FLASHLIGHT AND SEE IF IT KEPT A SHADOW.
SO THERE'S, THAT'S SIXES, WHICH ARE THE ONES THAT ARE, WE TRY TO TRY TO WORK WITH OR SEVEN.
AND THAT'S ALL THE FRONT WINDOWS, RIGHT? THE, THE UPSTAIRS IS 2, 3, 4, 5 AND THE DOWNSTAIRS IS 7, 8, 9.
THE THING WITH THESE WINDOWS, THOSE, THOSE ARE BOTH, UH, BANKS OF WINDOWS.
SO NOT, WE GUYS KNOW BETTER, BUT THEY'RE NOT INDIVIDUAL WINDOWS.
SO YOU HAVE TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE BRAND.
IT'S A PROBLEM THAT PETER HAS HAD WITH IT.
IS THERE THAT PARTICULAR BRAND OF WINDOW REPLACEMENT? IS THERE A RATIONALE ON THAT ONE AS OPPOSED TO JUST A, A WOOD, A WOOD WINDOW
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WITH THE SIMILAR EXACT, UM, ENGINEERING OF THE ORIGINAL? I'LL HAVE TO LET HEATHER OR ALEC ANSWER THAT.WELL, YOU KNOW, WE WORKED WITH STEVE FOX AT NATIONAL WINDOW AND DOOR.
HE WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY, BUT THIS WAS HIS SUGGESTION AS THE BEST, UM, WINDOW TO FIT WHAT WE NEEDED IT TO DO TO WORK WITH THE, UM, LANDMARK COMMISSION.
AND SO THAT WAS HIS RECOMMENDATION.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION READY? YEAH, I HAVE A MOTION.
I KNEW YOU'D BE READY SINGING.
I WAS ABOUT TO START SINGING BUT I DON'T HAVE TO FILL THE TIME NOW.
UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 4 6 3 0 6 0 3 3, BRIAN PARKWAY, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS UM, SWISS AVENUE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT, UM, THE APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BE APPROVED, UM, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT, UM, WINDOWS BE REPLACED WITH, UM, UH, THE SUBMITTED, UH, LINCOLN, UM, UM, SUBMITTAL.
UM, AND THAT WINDOWS 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, AND NINE BE REPAIRED AND, UH, RESTORED AND THEY MAY, UM, REMAIN, UH, UNFUNCTIONAL OR INOPERABLE RATHER QUESTION.
CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YEAH.
SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE UPSTAIRS WINDOWS HAVE TO BE OPERATION.
SO IN, UM, SO WE WERE SAYING THAT 2, 3, 4 AND FIVE ARE ALL UPSTAIRS IN ONE ROOM.
WE WANT THOSE WINDOWS TO BE ORIGINAL.
SO WE'RE GONNA MAKE, IT'S GONNA BE TO DO THESE WINDOWS UPSTAIRS IS 17,000 GREATER BUY THESE WINDOWS FOUR.
SO WE'RE PRETTY COMMITTED TO IT.
UM, AND I THINK PETER MIGHT BE ABLE TO, PROBLEM IS WE HAD SOME SCRAPPERS THAT WENT IN THERE AND THEY GOT, TOOK ALL THE WINDOW WEIGHTS OUT BECAUSE WE HAD TAKEN EVERYTHING OFF.
'CAUSE WE, WE GUTTED THE INSIDE UP.
BUT SO THEY, THEY GOT ALL THE WIND AND IT'S, I GUESS IT'S SUPER HARD TO GET THAT THOSE WEIGHTS JUST RIGHT AND SO THEY CAN'T REALLY REPLACE THAT VERY EASILY.
THEY'RE, THE SALVAGE COMPANIES HAVE THOSE WEIGHTS.
YOU HAVE TO GET TWO THAT ARE THE SAME.
SIZE, SAME WEIGHT IS, I APOLOGIZE.
UM, CAN I HALT THE MO THE MOTION FOR JUST ONE SECOND? YEAH.
I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION THEN.
IS THERE ANY OTHER OPERABLE WINDOW IN THAT ROOM? IT'S JUST THAT BANK OF WINDOWS WHERE THAT WAS THE ONLY OTHER MEANS OF REGRESS.
SO NUMBER ONE WAS REMOVED FOR AN AIR CONDITIONER MM-HMM
AND THEN NUMBER SIX, UH, GERALD AND KATHY HAD A CLOSET THERE AND THEY NAILED THAT WINDOW SHUT AND THEN, UH, BUILT THE CLOSET OVER IT.
SO WHEN WE WERE DOING THE DEMO, WE JUST PULLED IT INTO APART.
BUT THE ONE WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, WITH AIR CONDITIONER, EVEN IF IT WERE OPERABLE, THAT'S NOT REALLY LARGE ENOUGH TO EXIT OR IS IT? UH, SOME PEOPLE PROBABLY NOT.
WELL, OKAY, SO CODE CODE REQUIRES 22 BY 24 INCHES.
YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S A SMALLER WINDOW.
BUT I DON'T THINK PETER, PETER SAID HE COULDN'T SAVE ONE IN SIX.
SEE THE THING WITH 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9 IS THAT THERE'S ANOTHER BANK OF WINDOWS AROUND THE, ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT KIND OF MATCHES THOSE AND THOSE ARE THE THREE BANKS OF WINDOWS THAT CAN KIND OF SALVAGE PIECES OUT OF.
THESE ARE MUCH SMALLER WINDOWS AND THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE OF THOSE.
SO THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PIECES OF SALVAGE.
'CAUSE WE ASKED THEM THE SAME QUESTION.
IS THERE ANOTHER, UH, THERE NEED TO BE TWO WAYS TO, TO FOR FIRE TO GET OUT OF THE BEDROOM.
IS THERE ANOTHER WAY BESIDE THOSE WINDOWS? WELL, NOT, NOT IN THE, NOT IN THE MASTER BECAUSE IT'S UH, THE ONLY WINDOWS WE HAVE ARE ON THE THREE STREET SIDE WINDOWS.
THE REST OF IT GOES BACK AND IT'S ALL RECONFIGURED.
BUT THERE'S NEW THAT THERE'S A NEW BATHROOM BETWEEN ONE THE BACK.
BUT THERE'S NOT THE POTENTIAL FOR ANOTHER DOOR.
GO THROUGH A CLOSET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
NO, WE PUT IN A DUMB WAITER WHAT THE CLOSET USED TO DO.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET YOU YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
CAN YOU JUST REPLACE THE LOWER OPERABLE SASH AND
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LEAVE THE UPPER FIXED FLOOR PANEL IN PLACE? CAN ASK PETER.THAT'S KIND OF AN OBVIOUS QUESTION I NEVER ASKED HIM, BUT IF HE CAN, WE COULD, WE COULD, WE COULD ASK HIM TO DO THAT.
IF HE CAN MAKE, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
IT'D BE REALLY NICE TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THE FOUR PANELS.
AND, AND WE, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO OPEN THE WINDOWS IN THE, IN THE HOUSE, BUT WE'RE NOT WILLING TO DIE IN THE HILL OF OPENING THE WINDOWS DOWNSTAIRS.
WE WE'RE NOT WILLING TO DIE IN THE HILL IN THE MASTER BEDROOM.
BUT IT'S A REQUIREMENT BY BY CODE.
ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT MIGHT BE THAT ONE OF THOSE SMALLER WINDOWS COULD BE A UM, I KNOW IT'S, WE'RE CHANGING THE WAY THAT THE WINDOW FUNCTIONS, BUT IT, IF IT WERE A BASEMENT RATHER THAN A A EITHER SINGLE OR DOUBLE HUNG BE A LOT DIFFERENT.
DON'T THINK ON ANY OF MY HOUSES HAVE EVER HAD ANY CASE WINDOWS I DID ON
HAVE SOME IN THE BACK BUT KNOW CASE ADAM.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE COULD ADDRESS IT AS DESIGN AND THEN SOMEBODY ELSE DOWN THE LINE CAN WORD IT UP FIRE ISSUE? WELL, YES, WE COULD THEORETICALLY SAY ALL WE CARE ABOUT IS THE DESIGN AND THE FIRE ISSUE IS, IS NOT OUR PROBLEM.
BUT IF WE APPROVE SOMETHING AND THEN IT GETS PULLED FOR THAT, THEN IT HAS TO COME BACK ANYWAY.
SO SPENDING A FEW EXTRA MINUTES NOW TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO REALLY FIX IT.
WE'LL SAVE EVERYBODY TIME IF WE SUCCEED.
BUT THE WINDOW MAN IS NOT HERE.
YEAH, IT'S PETER'S, HE'S TOUGH TO GET TIME WITH.
BUT WE HAVE HAD ONE COMPROMISE THE POST ABOUT JUST REPLACING THE BOTTOM SASH, WHICH YOU CAN USUALLY DO ON MOST WINDOWS.
OUT OF THE FOUR WINDOWS IN THE FRONT, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE ONE OPERABLE, AT LEAST AT A FOUR WITH RESTORING THOSE.
I COULDN'T SPEAK TO THAT MOMENT.
SO WE'RE ALL STILL PATIENTLY WAITING FOR COMMISSIONER.
WE KNOW WHO WE APPRECIATE HIS EFFORTS IN TRYING TO ADDRESS THIS DIFFICULT ISSUE.
WE WE'RE CONTEMPLATING FOR A FEW MINUTES THE BEAUTY OF WINDOWS AND NO OBJECT.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION? IF SO, IF THE RECOMMENDATION IS SO, UM, A DESIGNER, SO IF THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO HAVE A DIFFERENT SASH ON THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM IS THAT, DO WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE LOOK OF THAT? WELL THAT'S THE WAY IT IS NOW.
THAT'S THE HISTORIC WINDOW WITH THE, THE FOUR LIGHTS OVER ONE LIGHT.
AND SO YOU'D HAVE TO REPEAT THAT PATTERNING IN THE NEW WINDOWS.
BUT LIKE IF THREE, SO IF WE, IF WE KEPT THREE OF THE OLD WINDOWS AND THEN HAD ONE NEW LIKE ON THE BANK OF FOUR AND WE HAD ONE NEW WINDOW AND SO THREE OF THEM LOOKS LIKE THE, THEY WERE THE OLD ONES AND THEN ONE WAS THE NEW ONE.
THEY'RE GONNA BE SUPER SIMILAR BUT THERE'LL BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT IN, NO.
OH, I THINK WE'RE TALKING MORE ABOUT THE BOTTOM SASH THERE ON YOUR WINDOW THAT YOU'VE GOT PLACED YOUR HAND UPON IT AND UM, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S GONNA JUST BE ONE PIECE OF GLASS AND YOURS MAYBE REPLACE THAT ONE.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONE THAT MOVES.
AND THEN THE TOPS COULD JUST STAY THERE AND BE REPAIRED AND BE UNMOVABLE.
'CAUSE YOU'RE NEVER GONNA GO OFF THE TOP WINDOW IF YOU'VE EVER HAD TO ESCAPE A FIRE OR SOMETHING.
SO THAT WAS ONE OPTION THAT IS BEING DISCUSSED.
AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD OPTION IF YEAH, THAT MAKES A GOOD POINT.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO OUT THE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO OUT THE TOP ONE, YOU'RE GONNA GO OUT THE BOTTOM WINDOW.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA LOWER THE TOP ONE AND JUMP OUT THAT WAY.
I, I CAN TALK TO PETER PRETTY GOOD.
SINCE I DIDN'T GET A SECOND AND I DIDN'T COMPLETE IT, I WILL START OVER OR MAYBE I DID.
UM, IN THE MATTER OF, UH, DISCUSSION ITEM 4 6 0 3 3 BRIAN PARKWAY, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS SWISS AVENUE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT, UM, WINDOWS REPLACED
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WITH, UH, THE LINCOLN SUBMITTAL.THAT'S BEEN, UH, UM, THAT'S BEEN APPLIED HERE, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WINDOWS SEVEN, EIGHT, AND NINE, THAT THEY BE RESTORED AND THAT WINDOWS 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE BE RESTORED AND THAT ONE OF THOSE FOUR NEEDS TO BE OPERABLE.
YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE OUR SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER REEVES.
WELL FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THAT.
THAT, UH, THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS MATCH THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS IN STYLE AND CONFIGURATION AND SIZE.
THAT'S A STANDARD THING WE PUT IN, BUT YEAH, WE UNDERSTAND THE PRESSURE ON YOU RIGHT NOW.
SO THE, THE, THE PROFILE, THE NUMBER OF, UM, SES AND THE NUMBER OF, UH, DIVISIONS IN THE, IN THE LIGHT BE THE SAME AS EXISTING.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, MAY I SPEAK TO THE MOTION? YES.
UM, NO DOUBT MR. ROSS IS EXTRAORDINARY.
WHAT HE DOES, UM, SHOULD FIND THAT HE STRUGGLES TO MAKE ONE OPERATIONAL.
UM, MR. ZEER, RON ZEBRA, HE LONG KNOWN WITH A HIGHLY SKILLED DIRECTION.
IF HE COULD TALK ME WHERE HOUSE.
I'M SURE I CAN GET HIS NUMBER OUTTA HERE.
HIS NUMBER'S IN THE BOOK S NUMBER.
I'M SURE THEY HAVE HIS NUMBER BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS RON.
HE'S VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT REPAIRING HISTORICAL HOMES EXCEPT MINE CAN'T GET THAT MAN OUT THERE TO DO MY HOUSE
IS THAT EVERYTHING WE NEED TO, ALL THE COMMENTS ON THIS MOTION? CAN WE FALL FOR VOTE NOW? ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? I'M HEARING NONE THEREFORE THIS IS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY SO THANK AHEAD.
SO GO AHEAD AND
APPRECIATE GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE WITH YOUR WORK.
SEE YOU AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE MOTION MEANS, UH, YOU JUST CONTACT STEPH AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW.
OKAY, GOOD AFTERNOON, THIS IS STAFF PRESENTING.
RUNDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 28 35 TANNER STREET IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 4 5 DASH 3 3 3 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 3 14 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT A FASCIA AND OR FREEZE BOARD BE ADDED TO ALL ELEVATIONS INCLUDING ABOVE THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS.
MINIMUM HEIGHT EIGHT INCHES, PREFERABLY CEDAR THAT WOULD TRIM BE APPLIED TO EXTERIOR SIDING AND NOT FLUSH WITH SIDING.
MINIMUM TRIM WIDTH FOUR INCHES.
THAT FRONT PORCH GABLE BE WIDENED BY A MINIMUM OF ONE FOOT.
THAT FRONT DOOR AND LEFT SIDE PAIRED WINDOWS BE RECENTERED BETWEEN PORCH COLUMNS.
FOUR THAT WINDOWS BE ALUMINUM FRAMED WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION, ONE OVER ONE NO GRILL.
AND FIVE THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS VIA BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS COMPLY WITH LANDMARK COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS.
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AN INTERESTING COMMENT.ALRIGHT, WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER TODAY, MS. GARRETT.
COULD YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME, ADDRESS AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH? HI YES, JESSICA GARRETT.
UH, DO PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH TODAY? ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD AND TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
UM, SO THIS PROJECT IS 28 35 IS SINGLE FAMILY NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THE SLOT HAS BEEN EMPTY FOR ABOUT 10 OR 11 YEARS.
UM, WE'VE DONE OUR BEST WITH THE DESIGN TO FIT IT INTO THE FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THOSE HISTORICAL EXAMPLES AND CHARACTERS, UM, TO DEEP THE EXPOSED RAPTOR TAILS, THE TWO PART COLUMNS, UM, AS WELL AS THE COLOR SELECTED FROM THE SHERWIN WILLIAMS HISTORIC.
UM, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH THIS QUITE A BIT ON COURTESY REVIEW.
UM, ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAD SUGGESTED WE BRING OUT THE PORCH FURTHER THAN THAT FRONT WINDOW ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE FRONT ELEVATION.
SO WE'VE KIND OF COMPLETELY CHANGED THE ENTIRE FRONT OF THIS.
SO THAT PORCH IS VERY DEEP AND THERE.
UM, AND THEN THAT WAS THE MAIN KIND OF OVERALL COMMENT FROM COURTESY REVIEW THAT WE DID CARRY FORWARD AND ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS THAT WERE MADE BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE AT THE COURTESY REVIEW WE'VE ALSO COMPLETED.
ALRIGHT, LET'S SEE WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS.
UM, I'D MENTIONED THIS IN, UM, IN THE EARLIER REVIEW TOO.
WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO MOVE THE, THE LEFT PAIR OF WINDOWS ONE FOOT TO THE RIGHT? YEAH.
THANK AND IN THAT CASE, WOULD WE STILL WANT TO FOLLOW THE STAFF'S, UM, REQUEST THAT, UM, WHERE WAS IT? THE PORCH GATE WILL BE WIDENED INSTEAD WE'RE MOVING THE WINDOWS.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A SUBSTITUTE IF WE ASK HER TO DO THAT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY NOW, BUT I'M MIRRORING THEM MORE.
MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTOOD WHERE WE WERE GOING THERE.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE SIDING IN THE FRONT GABLE THERE ALL THE WAY UP ON THE TOP.
AND I THINK IT ALSO MIGHT HELP IF THERE WAS ANOTHER VENT IN THAT TOP PORTION OR IN THAT PORTION OF THE GABLE TOO THAT WOULD HELP BREAK UP THAT AREA.
AND THAT'S ALSO VERY TYPICAL TO HAVE ANOTHER VENT, UH, IN THAT LOCATION AS WELL.
SO JUST TO REPEAT THAT BACK, ADD A SECOND GABLE VENT.
AND THEN WHAT WAS THE COMMENT ABOUT THE SIDING ON THE FRONT GABLE? OH, I JUST SAID THAT IT WOULD HELP BREAK UP THE SIDING SO IT WOULDN'T BE AS MUCH.
YEAH, BECAUSE THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT SHOULD IT BE DIFFERENT SIDING AND NOW IT SHOULDN'T BE DIFFERENT SIDING BUT THAT, THAT THEN WOULD HELP BREAK UP THAT AREA UP THERE.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE THAT SELLS EVERYTHING THEN SOMEONE MUST HAVE A MOTION.
WHO DOES NOT HAVE TO MAKE ALL THE MOTIONS BY THE WAY.
YEAH, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING.
REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UM, 2 8 3 5 TANNER STREET, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS.
UM, SO I'M SAID THIS BACKWARDS ANYWAY, CA 2 4 5 DASH 3 3 3 RD THAT WE, UM, APPROVE WITH THE FOLLOWING WITH THE CONDITIONS AS STATED BY STAFF.
EXCEPT FOR, UM, NUMBER THREE, UM, THAT AND IN LIEU OF NUMBER THREE, THAT WE MOVE THE WINDOW PAIR OF WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE ELEVATION, ONE FOOT TO THE RIGHT AND LET'S SEE, CABLE VENT AND UH, WITH THE ADDITION OF A, UM, UH, VENT, A GABLE VENT TO MATCH THE ONE THAT'S IN THE, THE PORCH, THEN THAT WOULD BE IN THE, THE MAIN PORTION OF THE HOUSE.
COMMISSIONER REEVES IS SECONDED.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? ALL RIGHT THEN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THAT HAS CARRIED AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT.
UH, COME BACK WITH US IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING OR YOU WANT TO ADD YOUR LANDSCAPING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WILL BE NICE ABOUT THAT ONE TOO, I HOPE.
OKAY, UM, DISCUSSION ITEM SIX.
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ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 6 4 1 6 SOUTH CLINTON AVENUE, AKA HEIGHT HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 4 5 3 2 3 CP REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPAIR SIDING OF MAIN STRUCTURE REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE WINDOWS REQUEST NUMBER THREE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE WINDOWS AND DOORS WITH FRENCH DOORS.REQUEST NUMBER FOUR, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT MAIN STRUCTURE BODY SHERWIN WILLIAMS 28 51 SAGE GREEN LIGHT, THE TRIM SHERWIN WILLIAMS 91 65 GOSSAMER VEIL.
RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPAIR SIDING OF MAIN STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FINDING THE FACT THAT SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED TO DEMONSTRATE EXTENT OF REPAIR THE WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87 1 11 A 10 C, THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE WINDOWS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 21 20 25.
THE WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 51 P DASH 87 1 11 A 17 A, AND F THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE WINDOWS INDOOR WITH FRENCH DOORS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 21 20 25.
THE WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87.1 11 A 17 A AND F THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FOUR THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT MAIN STRUCTURE BODY SHERWIN WILLIAMS 28 51 SAGE GREEN LIGHT TRIM, SHERWIN WILLIAMS, 91 65 GOS BE APPROVED.
THE WORK WAS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 A DASH 87 1 11 A EIGHT, THE STANDARD AND SECRETARY, EXCUSE ME, STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN I OR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION ITEM ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPAIR SIDING MAIN STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
NO MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT'S UNDER ASBESTOS SIDING.
ITEM TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE WINDOWS BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
NEED TRIM AND MO DETAILS ON ALL WINDOWS AND DOORS.
ITEM THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE WINDOWS AND DOORS WITH FRENCH DOORS BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
AND ITEM FOUR, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT MAIN STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
ANY PHOTOS OF NEIGHBORING HOUSE TO COMPARE COLOR SCHEME AS NEXT DOOR HOUSE LOOKS SIMILAR.
SO WE HAVE A SPEAKER HERE, MR.
AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE TRUTHFUL WITH US.
ALRIGHT, YOU HAVE, UH, THREE MINUTES TO START TELLING US SOMETHING MORE ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
UM, SO I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE WE, AND WE'VE COME BACK WITH A LESS AMBITIOUS, UH, PLAN THIS TIME FOR THIS SAME HOUSE.
UM, THE FIRST THING WE WANTED TO DO WAS STRIP THE HOUSE OF THE ASBESTOS SIDING AND REPAIR AND REPLACE THE NOVELTY SIDING AS REQUIRED.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT NOBODY KNOWS WHAT'S UNDER THE ASBESTOS SIDING, SO WE WERE GONNA DO THAT A DIFFERENT WAY.
SO, UM, AND THAT WOULD BE TO DO A
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ROUTINE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT TO REMOVE THE ASBESTOS SIDING AND THEN EVALUATE WHAT'S UNDERNEATH IT IN ORDER TO COME BACK AND SAY HOW MUCH NOVELTY SIDING NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AND OR REPAIRED.UH, SO THAT'S HOW WE WERE GONNA HANDLE THAT.
BUT WE DID GO AHEAD AND REQUEST FOR THE PAINT COLORS ON THE OUTSIDE.
UM, SOMEONE ON THE TASK FORCE PULLED UP, I THINK A REAL CURSORY PICTURE OF THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR JUST TO SEE IF IT WAS THE SAME COLOR SCHEME.
UM, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL IN THE PICTURES JUST ONLINE OF WHAT THE COLOR OF THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR IS.
UM, BUT WE OBVIOUSLY WOULDN'T WANT TO PAINT THIS HOUSE THE SAME COLOR AND SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN.
UM, THEN WE HAVE GONE THROUGH AND HAVE WANT TO ADD A WINDOW ON THE SIDE BACK SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
WE WANT TO REMOVE THREE WINDOWS THAT ARE ON ONE SIDE AND THEN WE WANT TO REPLACE ONE DOOR IN WINDOW WITH A PAIR OF DOORS AND ANOTHER DOOR WINDOW WITH ANOTHER MATCHING PAIR OF DOORS ALL ON THE BACKSIDE.
I ALL RIGHT NOW WE'LL SEE IF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS.
UM, I THINK IT'S RATHER UNIQUE WITH THE TOWEL.
YEAH, IT'S UH, IT'S, IT'S EXCITING TO GET TO THIS STAGE AND TO SEE IT MOVING FORWARD.
UM, I AGREE WITH YOU PETER, THAT THE UM, COLOR YOU PROPOSED FOR THE BODY IS DISSIMILAR FROM THE ONE NEXT DOOR.
THE ONE YOU HAVE HAS SLIGHTLY WARMER BROWN OR UNDERTONES TO IT, SECOND
UM, AND WITH THAT I DO HAVE A MOTION IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, UH, DID ANYONE ELSE HAVE SOMETHING THEY NEED EXCEPT FOR A MOTION TO MAKE? ALRIGHT, I'M SURE COMMISSIONER RENO IS HAPPY TO H HOW WATCH YOU MAKE A MOTION WITH RESPECT TO DISCUSSION ITEM SIX CA 2 45 DASH 3 2 3 P, ALSO KNOWN AS FOUR 16 SOUTH CLINTON AVENUE IN THE WINKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM ONE TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
AND ON ITEMS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR TO APPROVE FOR THE REASONS STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT, UM, THE SECTIONS OF THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA CITED IN THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS REFERENCED AS WELL AS THE CITY CODE DIMENSION.
SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER REEVES WAS SECONDED AGAIN.
SHE IS THE CHAMPION AT SECOND DATE.
ANY FURTHER COMMENT BEFORE WE VOTE? ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, IT APPEARS IT HAS CARRIED.
NOW ON THAT FIRST REQUEST YOU DID UM, GET A DENIAL, BUT YOU KNOW WHY, BUT YOU COULD APPEAL THAT TO CPC FOR A FEE IF YOU WANTED AND THEY WOULD DECIDE WHETHER WE HAD RULED RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY.
BUT BETTER WOULD BE TO, TO TALK, YOU KNOW, YOU TALK TO STAFF, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE BEST TO PROCEED AND DO IT AND YOU'LL FIND OUT WHAT'S REALLY UNDER THAT.
I GUESS WE'LL SEE YOU BACK AGAIN SOMEDAY ABOUT SIDING.
UM, MADAM CHAIR, WE'VE HAD ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS ARRIVE FOR OTHER ITEMS, SO, UM, THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS MOTION FOR EARLIER.
SO I SUGGEST WE CONTINUE ON DISCUSSIONS ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE AND THEN CONSENT
'CAUSE NO ONE HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THAT ONE.
SO THAT MEANS NEXT IS DISCUSSION ITEM ONE.
I MEAN, DO WE NEED TO CALL FOR VOTE ON THAT? MY ATTORNEY'S NOT EVEN LOOKING AT ME, SO I'LL I'LL SECOND 'CAUSE YOU MADE THE MOTION.
YEAH, YEAH, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES.
CARRIE, WE GO ON WITH DISCUSS ITEM ONE NOW TWO.
GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN, THIS IS DR.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM D ONE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 36 0 8 LATIMER STREET.
IT'S UNDER PRE DESIGNATION MORATORIUM.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS QUEEN CITY.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 4 5 3 2 9 RFD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH A ONE CAR DETACHED GARAGE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW
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MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT, BUT THE ONE CAR DETACHED GARAGE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 3 25 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.ONE THAT PAIRED WINDOWS BE SEPARATED BY A MILLION IEA TRIM PIECE THAT UM, WITH A MINIMUM WIDTH OF FOUR INCHES WIDE.
TWO, THAT FRONT PORCH RAILING BE REMOVED.
THREE THAT WINDOWS BE ALUMINUM FRAME WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION, ONE OVER ONE NO GRILL.
FOUR THAT A STEP BE REMOVED FROM FRONT AND LEFT SIDE ELEVATION, DRAWING DRAWINGS TO A LINE WITH 18 INCH FLOOR LINE HEIGHTS AND FIVE THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE OF BRUSH FINISHED.
CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION D FIVE B FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
NO COURTROOM COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS.
REMOVE BRACKETS FROM MAN GABLE.
TWO, REMOVE TWO SIDE BRACKETS FROM PORCH GABLE.
THREE CHECK DIMENSIONS OF STEPS, TREADS AND RISERS.
FOUR TRIM SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF FOUR INCHES WIDE AND APPLIED TO THE SIDING, NOT FLUSH WITH SIDING.
FIVE SIDING SHOULD BE NUMBER 1 0 5 TO MATCH DRAWINGS.
SIX, ADD RAFTER TAILS TO THE GARAGE AND SEVEN, ALL DRAWINGS SHOULD MATCH CONTEXTUAL SITE PLAN, ELEVATIONS AND MATERIAL SCHEDULE.
IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF WITH YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
HI, MY NAME IS KIRIN AL 9 1 1 PARK COURT U EXS AND, UM, I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
YOU MIGHT WANNA POINT THAT MICROPHONE DOWN MORE TOWARDS YOU.
THE PREVIOUS GENTLEMAN WAS VERY TALL.
OKAY MA'AM, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US MORE ABOUT YOUR PROJECT AND AS YOU KNOW, WE WILL THEN ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
SO THIS IS A NEW, UH, CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, UH, FOR A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
UM, WE HAD QUITE A FEW DETAILS THAT WILL MENTION DURING THE COURTESY REVIEW THAT WE HAVE TRIED OUR BEST TO, UM, YOU KNOW, UPDATE IN THE, THE CURRENT DRAWINGS.
I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME INCONSISTENCIES, UM, WITH THE DETAILED SHEET AND THE CURRENT AND THE WAY IT'S SHOWN AND UM, WE WILL BE MAKING THOSE, THOSE CHANGES.
BUT, UM, WE'VE TRIED OUR, OUR BEST TO KIND OF STAY WITHIN THE HISTORICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ROUND US.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS REGARDING THE WINDOWS SPECIFICALLY.
UM, I BELIEVE ON YOUR ELEVATIONS, YOU'RE SHOWING THEM TO BE THREE FEET BY SIX FEET.
INDIVIDUAL AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE GANG UH, TOGETHER.
UM, AND THEN YOU WERE SHOWING THE HEAD HEIGHT TO BE AT SIX FEET, EIGHT INCHES.
SO THAT MEANS THAT THERE'S EIGHT INCHES OF, OF, UH, SILL.
I THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN 30 50, UM, BUT FOR SOME REASON THEY'RE STILL SHOWING 30 60.
WE, THERE WOULD BE THOSE FRONT ONES WOULD BE 30 50.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? NO.
ANYBODY ELSE? COMMISSIONER REEVES? WAS THIS THE HOUSE WHERE THE STAIRS WERE TOO TALL? YES.
AND WAS ONE OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO TAKE ONE OFF SO THAT THEY TAKE ONE OFF, BUT THEN THE PORCH WAS TOO HIGH AND THEN YOU STEPPED DOWN INTO THE HOUSE AT ONE POINT.
WAS WAS THAT JUST ALL MIS I DON'T COMMUNICATION ON THE DESIGN PART OR WAS IT MEANT TO BE A STEP INTO HOUSE? IT WAS NOT MEANT TO BE A STEP IN HOUSE.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE UNIQUE, WOULDN'T IT? YES.
IF NO ONE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, THEN SOMEONE MUST HAVE A MOTION.
OF COURSE YOU DO
WAS THE EXTENSION THAT THE WINDOW SUBMITTED ARE ARE VINYL? NO.
ON THE DETAILED SHEET THERE AR ALUMINUM, BUT ON THE BOTTOM IT SAYS FINAL STILL I DON'T, THEY'RE GONNA BE A LITTLE HONOR.
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MADAM CHAIRPERSON? YES.IF NO MORE QUESTIONS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
NO ONE SEEMS TO BE INDICATING.
IN THE MATTER OF 36 0 8 LATIMER STREET RE-DESIGNATION MORATORIUM OF QUEEN CITY, UH, PROPERTY CA 2 4 5 3 2 9 RD I MOVE THAT WE, UH, APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A, HOLD ON JUST A MINUTE.
I'M TRYING TO, OOPS, LET ME GO BACK TO MY SPOT THERE.
FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW MA MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT, UH, BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPEC SPECIFICATIONS DATED MARCH 14TH, 2025 WITH THE CONDITIONS, THE CONDITIONS CITED AND LET ME GO DOWN.
AND IN A IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C, UH, FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING IN, UH, OF NEIGHBOR, DISTRICT AND NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALRIGHT, DO I HAVE A SECOND FOR THIS MOTION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
UM, FIRST WE WILL HEAR A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FROM COMMISSIONER RENE, UM, THAT, UM, THE GABLES BE REMOVED FROM THE, OR I APOLOGIZE FOR THE, THE BRACKETS BE REMOVED FROM THE MAIN GABLE AND FROM THE, UM, FROM THE, LET'S SEE.
FROM, FROM ALL THE BRACKETS OR YEAH, THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE FRONT OF THE HOME.
YOU WANNA PUT THEM ALL OFF? DIDN'T WE ASKED TO HAVE THOSE PUT ON IN THE FIRST PLACE
BUT UM, AND THEN IN FACT I WAS THE ONE THAT THAT PROPOSED TO, TO
I THINK TASK FORCE MEANT ORIGINALLY THERE WERE A LOT MORE BRACKETS WHEN THEY SAW IT AND THEY SAID CUT IT DOWN TO FIVE.
OKAY, SO THEY MEANT EXCESS BRACKETS? YEAH.
WHEN TASK FORCE SAW SAW IT THERE WERE 10.
ALL RIGHT, SO YOU'RE SECONDING COMMISSIONER REEVES, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS YES BECAUSE NOT ONLY HAS SHE ATTESTED TO THAT TODAY, BUT IT IS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE CONDITIONS THE STAFF PUT IN THERE.
SO IT'S DOUBLY DEMANDED THERE.
ALRIGHT, SO NOW YOU WILL SECOND IT.
COMMISSIONER RES, THIS WILL SECOND ON THAT.
COMMISSIONER HENO JOSE IS THE MAKER.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION WE CAN CALL FOR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE OR YES OR AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, WELL THAT ONE'S OUT OF THE WAY AND YOU'RE GOOD TO GO.
PERHAPS WE'LL BE MUCH MEANER THE NEXT TIME AROUND.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 36 14 LATIMER STREET.
UH, IT'S CURRENTLY UNDER PRE DESIGNATION MORATORIUM WITHIN THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 4 5 DASH THREE THREE RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH A ONE CAR DETACHED GARAGE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH A ONE CAR DETACHED GARAGE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 3 25 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT WINDOWS BE ALUMINUM FRAMED WITH A LIGHT CONFIGURATION OF ONE OVER ONE NO GRILL.
TWO THAT A STEP BE REMOVED FROM FRONT AND REAR ELEVATION.
DRAWINGS TO ALIGN WITH 18 INCH FLOOR LINE HEIGHT.
THREE THAT WINDOWS ON FRONT ELEVATIONS BE THREE FEET BY FIVE FEET OR 30 BY 50 AND FOUR THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE OF BRUSH FINISHED.
CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION D FIVE B FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES
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AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.ONLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS.
REMOVE BRACKETS FROM MAIN GABLE.
REDUCE WINDOW DIMENSIONS ON FRONT ELEVATION CHANGE TO 30 BY 50 CHECK STEP DIMENSIONS.
RISER MINIMUM SHOULD BE SEVEN INCHES.
ITEM FOUR ALTER CORRECT FOUNDATION LINE TO REFLECT, RAISE FOUNDATION, ALIGN WITH PORCH.
ALRIGHT, NOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YOU'RE STILL HONEST.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT? THIS ONE IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER ONE.
IT'S, IT IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT AND THIS ONE RESEMBLES, UM, THE ONE HOUSE THAT'S ON THE STREET RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND WE WILL MAKE THE CHANGES, UM, TO THE WINDOWS AND UH, THE BRACKETS ON THE MAIN GABLE HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
SO NOW I THINK WE'RE DOWN TO THREE.
ANYONE? COMMERS? COMMISSIONER SHERMAN? I THINK THE PREVIOUS MOTION, UM, FAILED.
YOU ACTUALLY PUT IN THE WINDOW ADJUSTMENT.
I SEE THE WINDOW ADJUSTMENT HERE, BUT IT'S YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ONE THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED CONTAINS THAT SAME CONDITION.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT IN THERE.
YES, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
UM, I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU'VE DIFFERENTIATED UM, 36 0 8 FROM 36 14 EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SIMILAR, THEY'RE DIFFERENTIATED.
UM, I WAS THINKING THAT ONE SLIGHT CHANGE MIGHT LEAD TO ALTER THIS GABLE VENT INTO A MORE HORIZONTAL CONFIGURATION.
SO YOUR DESIGNS LOOK EVEN LESS COMPLICATED.
SO THEY'RE EVEN, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THE DEVIL DIDN'T
JUST SAME VENT, BUT IT WOULD BE I THINK PLACED TOWARDS ALL.
SO IT WOULD LOOK DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE 'CAUSE THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
SO, UM, SOMETIMES THOSE LITTLE SEPARATIONS CAN BE, UM, THAT, UM, THAT'S, UM, QUESTION I HAD.
ANYBODY ELSE? ANYBODY WITH A MOTION? IT'S AN EASY ONE SO SOMEONE ELSE COULD JUMP IN.
UM, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER TWO, CA 2 4 5 DASH THREE THREE RD 3 3 0 RD.
OTHERWISE KNOWN AS 36 14 LATIMER STREET THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE, UM, WITH THE CONDITIONS AS CITED WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT THE GABLE VENT BE, UM, A HORIZONTAL PROPORTION RATHER THAN A VERTICAL LINE.
WHO SECONDED? COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT THEN WE'RE READY FOR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES.
YOU ARE TWO FOR ONE AND NOW YOU HAVE TO BUILD TWO HOUSES.
DOES ANYONE THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A BREAK BEFORE WE DO THIS OR GET THROUGH ALL OF THEM? THAT POOR MAN IS LIKE, NO, YOU DON'T NEED A BREAK.
SEE, YOU COULD GO TO THE BATHROOM ANYTIME.
ALRIGHT, SO LET'S GO ON AND HERE.
THE BLADE SIGN ON THE APARTMENTS.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER THREE 1000 NORTH PEAK STREET PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 4 5 3 1 8 CP A REQUEST A REQUEST NUMBER ONE OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL LANDSCAPING REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL BLADE SIGN.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL LANDSCAPING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 24 20 25.
THE WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 2.6 AND 2.8.
THE STANDARD IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A BLADE SIGN BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS DATED 3 19 20 25.
THE WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION SEVEN PERTAINING TO SIGNS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH
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4.501 G SIX C ROMAN NUMBER TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION ITEM ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL LANDSCAPING BE APPROVED.ITEM TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL MONUMENT SIGN BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE COMMENT.
PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION, HISTORIC DISTRICT'S ORDINANCE DOES NOT ALLOW SIGNAGE OTHER THAN STREET SIGNS, PROTECTIVE SIGNS, MOVEMENT CONTROL AND HISTORIC MARKERS.
ALRIGHTY, MR. TILL, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE US YOUR NAME, ADDRESS AND YOUR PROMISE TO BE HONEST? SURE.
BRIAN TILL 91 26 WHITEHURST DALLAS.
AND IS THERE ANYTHING YOU NEED TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR SIGN? OR YOU JUST WANNA ANSWER A QUESTIONS? UH, YEAH, ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL HAVE? WE, UH, DATED, WE SAID WE, WE WENT TO TASK FORCE WITH UH, KIND OF THREW 'EM ALL OUT THERE, PUT 'EM ON THE WALL AND SAW WHAT STUCK, UH, DIDN'T LIKE MONUMENT SIGN GAVE WITH THE BLADE SIGN AND THEN OBVIOUSLY ANY OTHER, UH, FOLLOW UP ON, UH, LANDSCAPING THAT THAT WOULD SEEM TO BE OKAY.
AND WE DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THE SIGN IS LIT UP IN ANY WAY.
PROBABLY THE, THEIR LIEN IS TO NOT IF, UM, AS A DEAL KILLER THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING DOWN THE HILL.
THEY HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN THERE.
UM, I GUESS I'M UP FOR DISCUSSION IF THAT'S SOMETHING Y'ALL DON'T WANT TO PROPOSE.
WE'RE NOT, IT WOULD NOT BE NEON OR ANYTHING CRAZY TO MEAN WE'RE RIGHT THERE BY THE OLD HOTEL ADLER SIGN, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE REALLY GOING THAT LOOK
'CAUSE WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED EARLIER WAS THAT IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO HAVE ANY LIGHTING ON IT, BUT IF AT SOME POINT YOU WANTED IT TO BE LIT, YOU WOULD'VE TO COME BACK.
WE JUST PASS TODAY FOR THIS SIGN.
WE ARE TO PROVE ANY LIGHTING OR WE COULD THROW THAT IN, BUT THAT'S UP TO WHOEVER WANTS TO RIGHT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH.
UM, COMMISSIONER? NO, OF COURSE.
SO I, I KNOW THAT THE, UH, THE SUBMISSION IS TO SAY OKAY, WE, WE WE'RE PROPOSING A BLADE SIGN, BUT UM, HONESTLY THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER DETAILS REGARDING IT THAT WE'D LIKE TO GET.
WE'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, LET YOU WALK OUTTA HERE AND GO FORWARD YOUR SIGN.
SO, UM, REGARDING THE COLORS, UH, 'CAUSE WHEN WE LOOKED AT 'EM ON THE ELEVATIONS, UM, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS A DIFFERENT CONTRAST IN ONE COMPARED TO ANOTHER.
UM, I THINK THE SECOND EL THE SECOND PERSPECTIVE SHOWED YEAH, THAT'S ONE YOU REALLY SEE IT.
'CAUSE ONE YOU'RE LOOKING KIND OF ALMOST, MAYBE IT WAS THE THIRD ONE BECAUSE ONE LOOKED LIKE IT WAS WHITE ON A, ON A DARKER BACKGROUND MM-HMM
AND THE OTHER ONE WAS SORT OF A GOLD ON THE, ON THE SAME DARKER BACKGROUND.
UM, AND I KNOW THERE WEREN'T ANY COLORS PROPOSED YET.
YEAH, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT EXACTLY THERE.
IT WAS REALLY THE, THE MATTER OF US HAVING TO GO BACK, COME BACK IN HERE, UH, TO GO THROUGH THE LANDSCAPING BECAUSE WE WEREN'T THERE IN THE FALL AND WE WENT TO THE BUILDING.
SO WE SAID, WELL, LET'S JUST, WHILE WE'RE HERE, JUST TRY TO KNOCK OUT TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE AND JUST TALK ABOUT SCIENCE BECAUSE WE HAD SOME INITIAL EARLY CONCEPTS OR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CLIENT ABOUT WHAT THEY WANTED.
UM, SO THEY'RE REALLY NOT COLOR LEVEL.
UM, IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO COME BACK TO AGAIN WHEN THEY REALLY HAVE A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, SYSTEM UP AND RUNNING AND, AND SUCH, WE'RE HAPPY TO.
UM, IT WAS REALLY JUST THE CONCEPT OF ABL YOU KNOW, IT WAS FIRST THE MONUMENT SIGN, WHICH SEEMED TO GIVE PEOPLE HEARTBURN.
UH, AND THEN ONCE WE SAID THERE WERE SOME SETBACK AND, AND UM, UH, UH, 45 DEGREE ANGLE MOVES THAT WEREN'T GONNA WORK OUT.
SO YEAH, I MEAN I THINK THE POSITION OF IT AND THE FACT THAT IT'S AT A 45 BECAUSE YOUR, YOUR SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, THE APPROACH IS REALLY FROM THE SIDE STREET RATHER MM-HMM
SO I MEAN, I, I THINK ALL THOSE DECISIONS MAKE SENSE.
UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU LIGHT IT.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, WITH E SO IT'S YEAH.
FAIRLY MINIMAL, BUT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO PUT UP A SIGN AND THEN YOU CAN ONLY READ IT DURING DAYLIGHT
I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA, AGAIN, WE'RE KNOWING WHERE WE'RE AT AND WE'RE NOT GONNA EAT AT JOE'S.
BUT YEAH, I WOULD THINK MAYBE SOME CHANNEL LIGHTS THAT, THAT WOULD EITHER LIGHT IT OR LIGHT THE LETTERS.
YEAH, WE, I GET, YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE WANNA HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE CONTRASTING COLOR ELEMENT MENTION? WELL, IN THIS ONE, OH, I'M SORRY.
OH, IT'S THE WORD IN THIS ONE.
YOU CAN BARELY READ IT, BUT THEN THE ONE I THINK AFTER THIS ONE BEFORE IT'S DARKER, IT'S THE TWO-ONE.
SO THEN KEEP ON GOING THE, THAT, THAT ONE WAS THE LAST ONE.
OH, IN MIND IT WAS, THERE'S THE VERY FIRST ONE WE WERE LOOKING ALMOST.
I GUESS MORE THE REVISION ON MY SCREEN, IT WAS A LOT LIGHTER, BUT, UM, PAGE 4 88.
LITTLE MORE WHITE ON THE COMPUTER.
THEY ARE LIGHTER ARE SOME, YEAH.
AND ACTUALLY THERE ARE SOME REMOTE SCHEME NOW
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AND THEY STARTED TO FASHION THAT KIND OF IN A ART DECORATE POST YOU KNOW, SO GOLD, GOLD ON GROUND, THAT WOULD BE THAT WE WOULDN'T, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ON ANYTHING WE, WE WANTED TO, WE WEREN'T TO BLAME.ALRIGHT, ANY MORE? S COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, WE NOT NOT CONCERNED ISSUE AFTER ANYTHING AT THE, WAS THAT UNLESS THE LETTERING, WHAT ING MM-HMM.
IT WOULD APPEAR LESS LIKE PART OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE IF IT APPEARS TO BE PART OF THE BUILDING, MIGHT, IT APPEARS TO BE NOTHING.
BUT IF IT IS DEFINITELY RECOGNIZED IMMEDIATELY AS SIGNAGE MM-HMM
THEN IT, IT ALLOWS THE BILL AND I TO SHOWCASE.
AND WE DON'T WANT TO SHOUT WHAT ALONGSIDE THE BILL.
WE WANT SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, YEAH.
AND I THINK THE NEED TO BE ON, ON THE COMPUTER, THEY'RE VERY LIGHT COMPARED TO THIS SCREEN.
THERE'S TWO, THERE'S A DARK ONE, TWO COLORS ONLY.
THAT'S THIS ONE HERE WHERE YOU CAN'T EVEN BARELY SEE IT.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE, IT'S ON MY COMPUTER.
THE LETTERS ARE ALMOST LIKE A WHITE EVEN ON THIS TV VERSUS THE, YEAH, IT'S LIKE A WHITE, THAT'S VERY MUCH LIKE THE FIRST ONE ON THAT.
SO TO YOUR POINT, SEEING MORE CONTRAST IS BETTER NOT HAVING TO FLASH IT AND POP.
AGAIN, AND WE DON'T, THE CLIENT DOESN'T HAVE A FULL SIGNAGE PACKAGE AND SOMEONE ON ON BOARD ALREADY.
I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE EVEN MORE STUFF.
UH, CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE ATTACHMENT SYSTEM, THE ASSIGNED TO THE BUILDING? I SEE SORT OF THOSE LITTLE BANDS.
I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT THE ATTACHMENT ON THAT 45, IT'LL HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT THAT'S PRETTY LOCKED IN.
I MEAN SOMETHING SOMETHING THROUGH BOTH PAST THE, THE BRICK TO GET IN THERE THAT'S, YEAH.
LIKE THAT'S MORE OF A STRAP DESIGN THAT THEY JUST TOOK A FIRST RUN AT.
THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS WHEN WE, WHEN WE DO HANG IT LIKE THAT.
WELL, I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY, WHENEVER WE GET TO A MOTION ON THIS, WE MUST RAISE IT REMEMBERING THAT WE'RE SIMPLY, EVEN THE CLIENT HAS SAID WE'RE APPROVING THE CONCEPT OF SORT OF THIS BLADE SIGN, BUT THE DETAILS HAVE NOT YET BEEN WORKED OUT.
SO WE'RE NOT APPROVING NECESSARILY THE DETAILS OF SHAPE, COLOR, AND ATTACHMENT SHOWN IN THIS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU SHOULD DO THAT, BUT YOU SHOULD DO THAT WHOEVER YOU ARE THAT DOES THE MOTION
SO IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS SOMEONE NEEDS TO, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER THREE.
UM, CA 2 45 DASH THREE 18 CP, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS 1000 NORTH PEAK STREET THAT WE APPROVE.
UM, BOTH REQUESTS THE SECOND RE REQUEST AS UH, UM, UH, PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
I'D LIKE TO ADD, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL DETAIL TO, UH, TO THE APPROVAL THOUGH THAT, UM, ADDITIONAL, UH, DESIGN WORK BE SUBMITTED, UH, AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
BASICALLY THE SHOP DRAWING FOR YEAH, WE HAD A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER REEVES.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS, I CAN CALL FOR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, YOU'RE GOOD TO GO ON WITH YOUR NEXT STEP.
WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE BEGINNING CONSTRUCTION? I WANT SOME ENTERTAINMENT WHILE I WALKED THAT BLOCK.
YEAH, I DIDN'T WANNA BE ENTERTAINED IN THE SUMMER.
I WANNA BE ENTERTAINED IN THE FALL.
YES, WE IN FOR PERMIT IN ABOUT EIGHT WEEKS.
YOU ALRIGHT, NOW WE CAN JUST SEE CONSENT ITEM 13, WHICH WAS RELOCATED.
OH YOU PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF CONSENT ITEM 13 1 21 NORTH WINKA AVENUE, WINKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 4 5 3 2 5 CP REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY CARPORT STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO
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CONSTRUCT TWO STORY CARPORT BE APPROVED.THE WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87 1 11 A ONE.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR, FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.
SORRY, MY PAGE IS PEN OR DIDN'T PRINT.
ACCESSORY BUILDING SIZE CANNOT EXCEED 25% OF HOME, PROVIDE CLARIFICATION OF CALCULATIONS OF LOT COVERAGE AND THE DESIGN IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH MAIN STRUCTURE, NOT HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE.
AND THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS REGISTERED FOR THIS.
SO DO WE WANT TO SEE IT? ARE YOU GOOD? YOU WANT ME TO SHARE IT? UH, THAT SEEMS LIKE WHAT YOU'D HAVE TO DO SINCE YOU WENT THROUGH ALL THE TROUBLE TO GET IT FOR US.
YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA SHOW US WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, WHICH THEY'VE ACTUALLY JUST ASKED A SMALL CHANGE.
SO I DON'T REMEMBER THIS PARTICULAR CASE, BUT WELL, OKAY.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR A CHANGE
SO DO YOU WANNA SEE THE PREVIOUS FIRST? YEAH, LET'S SEE.
THE PREVIOUS ONE THAT WE APPROVED REFRESH OUR MEMORIES.
WE HAVE BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS WITH ADOBE FOR WHATEVER REASON.
WE ALL KNOW THAT ADOBE FOUGHT AGAINST US ON OCCASION, WHENEVER IT STARTS TO WORK REALLY WELL.
SOMETHING, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO DO WITH OUR LICENSES OR SOMETHING.
DID YOU PAY YOUR BILL
I JUST WANNA SEE WHY IT'S NOT OPENING.
BUT THE FILE'S NOT, MARCUS IS ALSO TRYING TO SEE IF HE CAN WORK.
I HAVE IT IF TRY AND SHARE AND SEE.
THAT, THAT WAS WHAT WAS APPROVED A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
THE SIMPLE AND DO WE KNOW WHY THEY LEFT THAT BIG OPEN SPOT AS A CARPORT INSTEAD OF PUTTING A DOOR ON IN THE GARAGE? YES, BECAUSE THEY WANT TO ENTER FROM THE ALLEY AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A 20 FOOT SETBACK IF YOU HAVE A GARAGE DOOR.
IF IT'S A CARPORT, YOU DON'T AND BE RIGHT THERE.
WE DON'T WANNA TAKE UP THE BACKYARD.
SO THE SECOND FLOOR DID CHANGE BECAUSE NOW THEY HAVE THIS STAIR AND BALCONY SYSTEM GOING AROUND AND DOOR EXTERIOR UPSTAIRS.
THE EXTERIOR AND DOORS OPENING TO THAT BALCONY MM-HMM.
OTHER THAN JUST FILLING IN THE GARAGE, THAT ONE BAG OTHER THAN OTHER THAN NOT FILLING.
YOU WANT US, YOU READY FOR THE NEXT I'LL, I'LL STOP AND YOU CAN SWITCH TO THE NEWS.
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LET'S GET TO IT.UH, SO THE EXISTING SITS THIS WAY WITH A DIFFERENT ATION THEN PROPOSED.
OKAY, SO NOW THE STAIRWELL, AS YOU SAID IS EXTERNAL AND WE HAVE TWO, WELL THEY'RE CO CALLING IT A COVERED PATIO.
NOT SO IT'S ONE CARPORT, ONE COVERED PATIO.
THIS WAS BEST AT LANE BUT I BELIEVE IT'S MORE OF A BUILDING CODE ISSUE.
IT UH, ONE OF THEM WHO IS AN ARCHITECT SAID IT'S NOT ALLOWED WITH THIS MUCH LOT COVERAGE AND DOES THIS COUNT AS LOT COVERAGE AND IT WAS WAY PAST OUR PURVIEW.
SO I KEPT TRYING TO TELL 'EM THEY'LL GET TO THAT WHEN THEY GET PERMITTING.
BUT THERE WAS SOME KIND OF QUESTION ABOUT ONE SIDE BEING A CARPORT AND ONE SIDE BEING COVERED PATIO, COVERED PATIO, MAY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MAY BE FIGURED DIFFERENTLY THAN A CARPORT WHEN IT COMES TO LOCKED COVERAGE.
SO PLANNING THEORY, IF ALL FOUR SIDES ARE OPEN, TYPICALLY THAT'S NOT COUNTED AS LOCKED COVERAGE.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT HAS USABLE SPACE ABOVE THAT DOESN'T COUNT AS LOCKED COVERAGE SOMETIMES.
DEPENDS ON HOW YOUR ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT DALLAS, BUT A LOT OF CITY.
WELL THAT'S, AND SO THAT WOULD GET MORE OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW, BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
UM, WHEN JIM ANDERSON WAS OUR PLANNER AND ONE AT THE HOUSE FOR 26 YEARS, HE EXPLAINED TO US THAT A PERGOLA THAT ALLOWED RAIN ALL THROUGH DIDN'T COUNT FOR THE COVERED PORCH COUNT.
SO ANY COVERED AREA CONCERNED THAT THAT WHOLE AREA COUNT THE WELL COVERED WALKWAY, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT THERE'S A ROOT THERE SO BENEATH THE ROOF THERE, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD THINK AS WELL.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT BUT YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN WITH THIS IS, YOU KNOW, LOT COVERAGE IS, WAS ONE COMPONENT.
MY CONCERN ABOUT THIS IS THAT WHAT WE HAVE IN THE DISTRICT IS, WELL WE HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE, LET'S SAY A PORT
THIS IS A DETACHED STRUCTURE THAT NOW THAT IT'S OPEN ON THE BOTTOM, YOU KNOW, MY FIRST VISUAL REACTION TO THIS IS LIKE A FLOATING BEACH HOUSE.
THIS LOOKS MORE LIKE FREEPORT TO ME THAN A SECONDARY ACCESSORY BUILDING IN THE ONE I GOT IT.
AND AS MUCH AS IT PAINS ME TO SAY I DON'T FIND THIS ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE IT'S A TIME THAT IS VERY ATYPICAL AND EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY EASILY, I MEAN YOU CAN, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE LOOKING DOWN THE ALLEY.
UM, I THINK IT'S A MISTAKE TO SAY THIS IS, THIS IS DISSIMILAR, I MEAN SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
THAT WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IN MY OPINION WAS A STRETCH ALREADY.
UM, BUT IT KIND OF HINTED AT MAYBE THAT PORT CLICHE IT DOES, BUT THIS DOESN'T, THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S UP ON HILLS BUILT FOR, YOU KNOW, FLOODING REASONS OR WHATEVER.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S A DISCONNECT AND THAT'S WHY I DON'T THE TO THIS.
SO I DO HAVE A MOTION, UM, MADAM CHAIR.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING THEY NEED TO SAY? MR. REED, DID THEY GIVE ANY REASON WHY THEY CHANGED THE, THE,
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THE DIRECTION AND NOT TO ME DID THEY TO YOU? 'CAUSE I WAS, I JUST PICKED THIS UP.UH, NO I HAVEN'T, I DON'T KNOW.
AND THEY DIDN'T ATTEND UM, TASK FORCE EITHER.
THEY WERE ON VACATION, SPRING BREAK, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
I MEAN, MY QUESTION IS IT, IT'S OPEN, BUT YOU SAID IT NEEDED TO BE OPEN TO DRIVE IN FROM THE ALLEY.
AND NOW YOU, YOU REALLY CAN'T DRIVE INTO IT FROM THE ALLEY EXCEPT COST WISE.
YOU CAN BACK IN, YOU CAN BACK INTO IT FROM THE A YEAH.
BUT IF YOU WERE GONNA PUT TWO CARS SIDE BY SIDE YEAH.
IF YOU WERE GONNA GET TWO CARS OFF THE STREET AND COVERED FROM THE ALLEY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO OPENINGS OR YOU'D HAVE TO CREATE, UM, A BIG GATE AND IMPROVED SURFACE ON THE LAWN SO YOU COULD PIGGYBACK.
BUT, BUT THE FIRST ONE RAN LONG WISE ALONG THE BACK FENCE.
AND THE NEW ONE IS SHORT WISE ALONG THE BACK FENCE.
THE ONE THAT RAN ALONG, YOU MEAN THE PREVIOUS ONE? IT'S RIGHT HERE.
YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BOTH LONG WAYS.
THE ONE THAT THEY'RE TEARING DOWN IS THE, I THINK IT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING.
YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S BEEN BEING TORN DOWN.
SO THIS ONE IS THE NEW ONE, WHICH I WOULD ASSUME THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A BIGGER GATE ENTRY IF THEY'RE GONNA USE IT AS TWO CAR.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE SEEN ANYTHING ON THIS BECAUSE
WHEREVER IT IS, YOU'D FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT IT.
WELL LET, I THINK WE'RE READY FOR COMMISSIONER SHERMAN'S MOTION.
YOU'LL SUCK AT ANYTHING DON'T YOU
UM, WE FOLLOW THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THIS DESIGN WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
UM, UM, BECAUSE IT IS UM, NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND IS ALSO NEITHER HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THE GUIDELINES OF THE DISTRICT.
COMMISSIONER RENO IS OUR SECOND ON THAT ONE.
UH, THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CALL A VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THIS MOTION HAS CARRIED.
SO STAFF WILL DISCUSS WITH THE APPLICANT THE USUAL ABOUT HOW THEY GOT IT DENIAL SO THEY COULD APPEAL IT BUT ALSO THEIR PREVIOUS APPROVAL STILL STANDS.
THEY, WE JUST DIDN'T APPROVE OF THIS CHANGED ONE.
SO THEY DO HAVE SOMETHING IF THEY WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE OTHER ONE.
LET ME STILL, SORRY, I'M WRITING DOWN THE NOTES.
HEY CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
UH, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 7 2 1 9 NORTH WILLETTE AVENUE, WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 8 2 4 5 3 2 4 CP REQUEST NUMBER ONE A REQUEST TO REPLACE FRONT STEPS REQUEST NUMBER TWO OH MY, MY APOLOGIES.
REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE FRONT STEPS REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD PORCH TRAILING REQUEST NUMBER THREE, A CERTIFICATE OF APP APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE TWO WINDOWS ON SOUTH ELEVATION.
REQUEST NUMBER FOUR, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE ENCLOSED TWO WINDOWS ON NORTH ELEVATION.
REQUEST NUMBER FIVE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE
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CLEAR GLASS PANEL IN ONE WINDOW IN SOUTH ELEVATION WITH STAINED GLASS PANEL REQUEST NUMBER SIX, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO, TO REPLACE REAR DOORS WITH NEW FOLDING GLASS DOOR SYSTEM STAFF.RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE FRONT STEPS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH PLANNED SPECS.
SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 21 20 25.
THE WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87.1 11 A, 17 A AND F THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD PORCH RAIL AND BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE ADDITION OF THIS ARCHITECTURAL COMPONENT IS CON CONTEXTUAL AND THERE'S NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THAT RAILING WAS ORIGINALLY INSTALLED.
THE WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87.1 11 A 11 A, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE TWO WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87 1 11 A 17 F ROMAN THREE, THE STANDARD AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FOUR, THAT REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE AND CLOSES TWO WINDOWS ON NORTH ELEVATION BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 25 20 25.
THE WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87 1 11 80 17.
THE STANDARD IN SECRETARY, EXCUSE ME, STANDARD IN CITY CODE SECTION FOR TWO ONE A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FIVE THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE CLEAR GLASS IN ONE WINDOW IN SOUTH ELEVATION WITH STAINED GLASS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 25 20 25.
THE WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA 51 P DASH 87.1 11 A 17.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE CITY SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER SIX THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE REAR DOORS WITH NEW FOLDING GLASS DOOR SYSTEM BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 25 20 25.
THE WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 61 P DASH 87 1 11 A 17.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION ITEM ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE FRONT STEPS DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
RECOMMEND MAKING STEPS RUN STRAIGHT TO KEEP HISTOR STYLE LIKE THE EXISTING BUT WIDER.
ITEM TWO THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD PORCH RAILING BE APPROVED WITH CONDITION THAT A SIMPLIFIED VERSION IS CREATE IS CREATED IS LANDMARK COMMISSION WILL NOT APPROVE MORE COMPLICATED DESIGN.
ITEM THREE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE TWO WINDOWS ON SOUTH ELEVATION BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
AND FOUR, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BE REMOVED AND CLOSED.
TWO WINDOWS ON NORTH ELEVATION BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THAT REQUEST TO REPLACE CLEAR GLASS WINDOW PANE WITH STAINED GLASS WINDOW PAIN BE APPROVED.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE REAR DOORS WITH A NEW FOLDING GLASS DOOR SYSTEM BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
OKAY, THERE'S NO ONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE EITHER,
UH, SO IT'S A, ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR ME? SO DO WE NEED TO THAT QUESTION FOR STAFF OR IS THERE A MOTION? I HAVE A OKAY.
UM, BEYOND WHAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE REGION,
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I PREFER WITH, UM, SAID ABOUT THE PORCH, UM,UM, 14 ONE TO EVIDENCE THAT ONE WAS DEPICTED WITH UM, UM,
UM, AND UM, SO WE'VE BEEN VERY CAREFUL TO NOT TO, IN FACT, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE
THE
ANYONE ELSE? ANY MOTION? SECOND.
OH, COMMISSIONER REED? I'M FEELING, UH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THE GARAGE SEEMS TO BE IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES IN THE PICTURES AND I'M LOOKING AT AN OLD PICTURE.
THERE'S NO GARAGE ON THIS CASE.
YOU MIGHT BE ON THE WRONG ONE.
LIKE A NO, WE'RE NOT DOING CR ONE.
I KNOW THE GARAGE IS NOT RELOCATING ITSELF OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION ON THIS CHAIR? ANOTHER COMMENT IF YOU WANT.
UM, BECAUSE HARDSCAPES I THINK PROBABLY ARE PROTECTED.
AND EVEN IF THE PROPERTY HAD ORIGINALLY BEEN A DUPLEX CONVERTED TO SINGLE FORM, THAT DOESN'T NEGATE THE HARD, THE HARDSCAPE THAT WAS IN PLACE HISTORICALLY TO SUPPORT THAT PREVIOUS USE.
I I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS ORIGINALLY A DUQUE TO BEGIN WITH.
YEAH, WE WEREN'T SURE IF THAT WAS ORIGINAL OR NOT.
WE DON'T KNOW, BUT WE ALSO DON'T KNOW THAT IT WASN'T.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHY THIS IS KIND OF A MIX.
IT'S, IT'S NOT EASY TO JUST JUMP IN THERE AND SAY, OKAY, LET'S JUST GO WITH EVERYTH KIND OF STAFF SAYS, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T INCUR, WE HAVE TO BREAK IT FROM THIS, THIS WHAT WE LIKE AND WHAT WE DON'T.
UM, AND UM, THOSE WERE TWO OF THE BIGGEST ONES FOR ME.
I DID LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE AND YES.
STAIN GLASSES WHILE, YEAH, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS FOR THE ROOM.
UM, AND I'VE BEEN IN THIS HOUSE AND THE DORMS ON THE BACK, I WOULD WANNA PULL 'EM OFF THE PROBABLY LONG START WITH IN THE SYSTEM AND THEY DID, UH, CHANGE THEM FROM, I BELIEVE THEY HAD FIBER, UH, ALUMINUM OR FIBERGLASS BEFORE AND NOW THEY'RE WOOD FOLDING SYSTEM.
SO AT LEAST THEY'RE WOOD NOW
I GUESS THAT'S ALSO WHAT I DON'T GRASP YET.
THERE'S IS THAT OKAY? OR IS THAT NOT A BEST PRACTICE YOU WANT? IT WOULD NOT MATTER MUCH OR IT IS ON THE FRONT 50% THE WINDOWS, UM, BECAUSE THE INSIDE CONFIGURATIONS ARE CHANGING.
SO THEY WANT TO, UM, SWITCH OUT TWO UM, WINDOWS TO BE MORE LIKE CLEAREST STORY WINDOWS LIKE STATIONARY, HORIZONTAL.
AND IS THAT A GOOD PRACTICE FOR US TO CONCUR THAT? SURE.
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WHY NOT? OR IS THAT, UM, DOES THAT AMOUNT TO A GOOD REASON WHY? BECAUSE IT IS ON THE FRONT 50%.IT IS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S IN THE BACKYARD AND THIS PLACE HAS A LOT OF WINDOWS
IF IT DOES BOIL DOWN TO IF YOU THINK WHAT THE END RESULT, IS IT APPROPRIATE OR IS IT NOT TO THE STRUCTURE? IS IT CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE? UM, WE'VE, YOU HAVE, AND YOU HAVE RECENTLY TOLD OTHERS THAT MAYBE THEY NEEDED TO RECONFIGURE THEIR INTERIOR INSTEAD OF THEIR EXTERIOR.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S MAYBE WHERE YOU'RE GETTING AT.
I JUST KINDA WONDER WHAT IS THE BEST PRACTICE? WHAT IS, WHAT IS IT WOULD BE BEST PRESERVATIONIST.
IT WOULD BE BEST, BEST PRACTICE WOULD BE NOT TO MOVE AROUND WINDOWS UNLESS IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
WELL IT SEEMS TO ME, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, A CLEAR STORY WINDOW IS USUALLY FRAMED IN THE CENTER AND FRAMED BY TWO, UM, DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS.
YOU DON'T USUALLY JUST SEE A CLEAR STORE STUCK SOMEWHERE AND THE ANOTHER ONE STUCK SOMEWHERE.
IT'S USUALLY BECAUSE THERE'S A, THE DINING ROOM WALL BENEATH IT TO ACCOMMODATE A BUFFET.
OR ACCOMMODATE SOMETHING ELSE.
AND THAT WAS TYPICAL OF THE STYLE AND THE PERIOD OF THE ARCHITECTURE.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, IF THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE'RE GOING, EVEN I CAN MAKE A MOTION I THINK, BUT I MIGHT NEED THAT.
YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND DO THAT? I'LL TRY, BUT I WON'T NEED THAT.
UM, IN THE MATTER OF D 7 2 19 NORTH LILETTE AVENUE CA 2 45 DASH 3 24 CP, I MOVE THAT WE UM, ACCEPT TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION AND DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE, UM, FOR THE FRONT STEPS TO BE REPLACED.
UH, AND I JUST SPEAK THEY DID REVISE THEM PER TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
THEY'RE NO LONGER THE, THE WATERFALL.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY STRAIGHT JUST LIKE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDED.
AND SO WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING IS WHAT THE REVISION IS OF JUST THE TYPICAL STRAIGHT SO STAFF.
SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION CONCURS THEY CONCURS WITH, WITH TASK FORCE.
THAT'S EXACTLY LIKE HOW FRED SUGGESTED TO BUT THE CONCRETE DOESN'T COME OUT.
THE HARDSCAPE DOESN'T COME OUT THE THE STEPS THEMSELVES ARE ALTERED.
SO YOUR TASK FORCE DIDN'T SAY NO TO NOT ALTERING THEM, THEY JUST WANTED THEM TO CHANGE THEM SO THEY WERE FINE WITH THEM BRINGING THEM ALL AS ONE? I THINK, I THINK THE QUESTION IS, IS THIS THE ONE WITH THE SUN CIRCLE? YES.
SO SHE'S SAYING THEY SHOULDN'T CHANGE IT.
TASK FORCE DIDN'T DENY THEM CHANGING IT.
THEY JUST SUGGESTED THEY HAVE NOT THE INITIAL DESIGN OF THE STEPS THEY WANTED THEM TO GO STRAIGHT STEPS.
ARE THE STEPS, ARE THERE TWO SETS OF STEPS OR ARE THEY IN THE CENTER? THEY'RE NOW ONE CENTER THAT I THINK THAT'S WHERE, AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN TASK FORCE WAS OKAY WITH THEM HAVING THE ONE SET, GETTING READY, THE TWO AND HAVING ONE SET.
SO I JUST WANTED, 'CAUSE YOU WERE GONNA SAY PER TASK FORCE, BUT IT WAS, THEY WERE DENYING THE INITIAL DESIGN OF THOSE STEPS.
THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT GOING FROM TWO TO ONE.
I JUST WANTED YOU BEFORE YOU MADE YOUR MOTION AND WHAT HAPPENS TO THE HARDSCAPE? THAT'S MY QUESTION FOR YOU.
BUT I STILL HAVEN'T BEEN RIGHT.
I I I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR QUESTION WAS.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO STOP AT YOUR MOTION BECAUSE YOUR MOTION WAS TASK FORCE.
THEY UNDERSTAND DID WHAT TASK FORCE ASKED UNDERST.
YEAH, I UNDERSTAND, BUT I I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE HARDSCAPE.
THE HARD, ARE THEY PULLING OUT THAT, DID THEY EVEN ADDRESS THE HARDSCAPE YET AS FAR AS THE PORCH AND, AND SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE STEPS, RIGHT? I WAS TALKING NO, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CONCRETE IN THE GROUND.
OH YEAH, IT'S ADDRESSED IN THE FRONT.
SO IT ALL MEETS IN, IT GOES AS A STRAIGHT WALKWAY ON LIKE ON THE, YOU WANT ME TO PULL IT UP? THEY'RE GETTING RID OF THE SEMICIRCLE YES.
I'LL PULL IT UP JUST SO WE HAVE IT.
I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE READING IT CORRECTLY.
WANT TO SHARE? OKAY, SO I CAN CHANGE THIS NUMBER.
I JUST YEAH, I WANTED YOU TO, IF YOU'RE GONNA GO BASED ON TASK FORCE, I WANTED NO, I, I'LL, I'LL NOT GO ON THE BASIC TASK FORCE, BUT THIS MIGHT PUT ME OUT ON A LIMB, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DEFEND.
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ITEM ONE, I PROPOSE THAT, UM, THIS COMMISSION DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.UM, THE PROPOSAL BECAUSE IT, UM, TAKES ON A FALSE SENSE OF HISTORY AGAINST THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARD.
AND NUMBER TWO, THAT, UM, THAT REMAINS THE SAME.
JUST LIKE I SAID THAT THE PORCH RAIL BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE, UM, THE REPLACING OF THE TWO WINDOWS ALSO BE DENIED FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FOUR.
UM, WAIT MINUTE NUMBER FOUR IS THE REMOVAL OF THOSE WINDOWS THAT WERE ON THE CORNER HERE.
I'LL PULL IT UP TO SEE, SEE IT.
THIS ONE HAD A LOT OF, OKAY, HERE WE GO.
SO THERE ARE THESE WINDOWS THAT AREN'T BEING CLOSED UP.
AND I WAS WITHOUT PREJUDICE FOR STEP RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FOUR.
UM, OKAY, NUMBER FOUR, TO APPROVE FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND THEN MOVE WHILE CLOSING OF HEALTH ELEVATION.
AND FIVE, UM, TO GO WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE REPLACEMENT OF CLEAR GLASS, THE STAINED GLASS DESCRIBING NUMBER FIVE.
UM, THAT, UM, TO APPROVE FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THE REQUEST TO REPLACE THE REAR DOORS WITH NEW FOLD
CITED AND THE SECRETARY OF EXTENT.
ALRIGHT, SO IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE CAN VOTE ON THIS ONE.
THEY PUT THE NEW STAIRS IN, THEY KEPT, YOU COULD LEAVE THE OLD STAIRS THERE AND THE NEW STAIRS WOULD JUST COME OVER THE FLOWER BED.
UH, WELL, UM, FOR, COULD WE CLARIFY IT? UM, IS IT FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON ALL POINTS EXCEPT NUMBER ONE WHERE YOU RECOMMENDED DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE WHAT STAFF HAD SAID APPROVED? YES.
OKAY, SO NOW THAT WE'VE CLARIFIED THAT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
THERE APPEARS TO BE NO OPPOSITION.
STAFF WILL NEED TO COMMUNICATE TO THE APPLICANT BOTH THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF APPEAL AND THE LIMITS OF WHAT THEY WILL, YOU KNOW, REJECT OUR RULING FOR AND, AND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
SO THEY UNDERSTAND WHY WE, WE MADE THE CHANGE THAT WE DID.
AND WE'LL SEE IF THEY WANT TO COME BACK WITH ANOTHER IDEA OR TWO ABOUT A FEW THINGS.
BUT NOW WE CAN DO COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER ONE, WHICH HAS NO GARAGE
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF COURTESY REVIEW ITEM ONE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 38 11 LATIMER STREET.
IT SAYS IT'S WITHIN A PRE DESIGNATION MORATORIUM AREA IN THIS CASE QUEEN CITY.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CR 2 45 DASH ZERO 16 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SINCE THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED.
UH, THAT A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW, TASK FORCE FEEDBACK, COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS, A CARPORT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE AND THE CHOSEN STYLE, THESE NEARBY HOUSES FOR DESIGN INSPIRATION.
AND SINCE THIS IS A REVIEW, WE'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS AND YES, THIS ACTUALLY IS THE ONE THAT HAS THE GARAGE, WHICH HAS NO CERTAINTY ABOUT WHERE THE DOOR IS
SO THAT'S DEFINITELY ONE THING TO TAKE TO THEM THAT, UM, WE DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU GET IN YOUR GARAGE OR WHAT YOU WANNA DO.
HOW DO YOU WANT TO MAKE YOUR GARAGE FORMATTED AND ACCESSIBLE? WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK THAT'S GONNA BE LIKE.
WELL, AND THE SITE PLAN DOESN'T MATCH THE
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DRAWINGS.AND THE PLAN DOESN'T MATCH THE ELEVATION.
YEAH, THERE, THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON HERE.
UM, HOPEFULLY THIS APPLICANT WILL ATTEND TOMORROW'S TASK FORCE MEETING BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF HER ISSUES IS, BUT SHE HAS TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, SOME OF THE LOTS ARE GOING TO BE SMALL, WHICH MEANS SHE MAY HAVE TO DO WITHOUT A GARAGE AND ACTUALLY GET A VARIANCE TO MEET HER PARKING REQUIREMENT.
AND BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN HER ISSUE, SHE'S BASICALLY BEEN MOVING THE GARAGE AROUND, ADDING A CARPORT, TAKING IT OFF.
BUT I, I THINK YEAH, SHE'S GONNA HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT SHE PROBABLY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET A GARAGE IN THIS DESIGN.
WELL THAT WOULD SOLVE THE GARAGE ISSUE IF SHE JUST DIDN'T TRY.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY AND OF COURSE DR.
DOUG COULD RELATE WHAT WE SAID EARLIER THIS MORNING WHEN WE WERE PERKIER, BUT LET'S, IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU THINK NEEDS IMPROVEMENT ON THIS, WELL NOW IS THE TIME TO SPEAK.
ALL RIGHT, WELL I I DO HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT.
SO THE DORMERS ON THE SIDE ELEVATION THERE MM-HMM
IT SEEMS LIKE THE WINDOWS GO RIGHT TO THE EDGE AND THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF, THAT WON'T WORK FRAMING WISE
SO SOMETHING HAS TO BE ADDRESSED THERE.
WHAT DO YOU CALL THOSE CHEEK WALLS OR SOMETHING? BUT YEAH, SOMETHING'S MISSING.
THAT MIGHT BE PARTIALLY THE DRAWING MAKES IT LOOK ALMOST WALLS WIDE.
IF THEY PROVIDED A REPLAN, THAT'D BE HELPFUL.
AND TO ME THE, THE, THE ROOF PITCH ON THE FRONT IS VERY, I MEAN THAT'S A LOT OF ROOF COMPARED TO THE FIRST FLOOR.
I DUNNO IF THERE'S A WAY TO REDUCE THAT, THAT HEIGHT SUM.
SO IT'S NOT QUITE AS EGREGIOUS THERE BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST DOUBLE YEAH, THE FIRST FLOOR HEIGHT.
I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO GET A STORY INTO THERE, YOU KNOW, ROOMS UNDER THERE, BUT I THINK YOU COULD STILL COME DOWN ON SOME OF THE HEIGHT OF THE ROOM.
THE IDEA IS SUPPOSED TO BE A ONE AND A HALF STORY TUTOR, LIKE THE ONES WE SAW EARLIER THIS MORNING ON OMA, IT LOOK LIKE ONE AND A HALF.
YEAH, I, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS TO, UM, SUGGESTIONS I'D LIKE TO MAKE TO, UM, IT COULD BE THAT TO HELP REDUCE THE SIZE OF THAT, UM, THE GABLE FROM THE FRONT THAT THE PLATE ID RAISED AT LEAST ON THAT FRONT ROOM.
SO THEN THE PROPORTION IS MAYBE MORE ONE-TO-ONE OF ROOF TO WALL.
UM, THERE COULD ALSO BE THE ADDITION OF A, OF A DORMER VENT TO HELP, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE UP THE, OCCUPY THAT, THAT ROOF POINT.
UM, I'D ALSO ENCOURAGE, INSTEAD OF HAVING THAT PORCH FULLY ENCLOSED AND ONLY OPEN FROM THE FRONT, YOU COULD OPEN THE SIDE TO, IT COULD STILL, INSTEAD OF AN ARCH, IT COULD JUST BE A FLAT OPENING AIR.
BUT AT LEAST THE DOOR DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S SO CROWDED THAT WAY.
UM, AND THEN THE TWO DORMERS UPSTAIRS ON BOTH OF THE BEDROOMS, THEY POTENTIALLY COULD BE GANG SO THAT IT IS A FULL OCCUPIABLE SPACE UP THERE.
I MEAN IT STILL WOULD FIT WITHIN A DORMER, BUT THEN THERE'D BE MORE USABLE IN THAT IN THE BEDROOM.
UH, YOU KNOW, PLACE TO PUT YOUR, THE HEAD OF THE BED.
UM, AND YEAH, FIGURING OUT HOW THAT GARAGE IS ACCESSED IS, UH, WILL BE A CHALLENGE.
ANYTHING ELSE? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU MENTIONED THIS OR NOT, BUT THE FOYER IS THE FRONT PORCH.
IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE THAT OPEN TO THE SIDE ALSO, NOT JUST THE FRONT.
SO THAT'S A FREESTANDING COLUMN THERE ON THE CORNER.
UM, THAT'S IT MORE LIKE A VESTIBULE THE WAY IT IS ALSO A PLACE FOR SOMEONE TO HIDE, STARTLE YOU WOULD NOT WISH TO BE.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE CAN ADVISE THIS PERSON TO MAKE THIS PLAN MORE LIKELY TO BE APPROVED? MAYBE NOT SUCH LONG UNBROKEN STRETCHES OF THAT SIDING UNINTERRUPTED BY WINDOWS.
THAT'S PART OF WHAT GIVES IT THE CAMP LOOK THAT IT'S JUST 20 FEET OF SIDING AT SOME PLACES AND THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT WE'D BE LOOKING FOR.
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YEAH, I'D EVEN PROPOSE LIKE ON THE SIDE ELEVATION, MAYBE EVEN ON THE FRONT THAT THE WINDOWS BE GANGED TOGETHER.I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THAT'S NORMALLY A A I THINK IT IS A, UH, A TUTOR DETAIL.
IF YOU HAVE ONLY FOUR INCHES, SIX INCHES OR EIGHT INCHES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN BETWEEN THEM SO THEY, THEY HEAR A LITTLE BIT LARGER.
SO THE ONES ON THE SIDE COULD BE GANGED AS WELL.
TWO PAIR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
INSTEAD OF THIS FIVE EQUAL, I MEAN THE ONLY SIGN OF THE TUDOR STYLE IS THE EXTREMELY HIGH ROOF FOR THE MOST PART.
UM, THEY HAVE AN, A ROUNDED ARCH OVER THE DOOR INSTEAD OF MAYBE THEY COULD HAVE A FRONT ARCH OR SOMETHING.
THE WINDOWS DON'T HAVE ANY GRILL WORK IN THEM OR SMALL PANS LIKE YOU MIGHT SEE IN THE TUTOR.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT VERY TUTOR AND THAT'S OKAY.
BUT I THINK MAYBE IT'S, THEY SAID IT'S TUDOR BECAUSE THEY WANT THIS HUGE ROOF AND PERHAPS THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO DEAL WITH THAT, BUT, OKAY.
IS THAT ALL WE HAVE FOR THIS? ALRIGHT, WELL, DR. DUNN, YOU WILL CONVEY OUR SENTIMENTS ON THAT.
I BELIEVE THE ONLY THING WE HAVE LEFT TO DO IS VOTE ON OUR MINUTES IF, IF NO ONE HAS ANYTHING THEY WISH TO CHANGE ABOUT THEM.
I NEED A MOTION I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MARCH 3RD, 2025 LANDMARK COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING MINUTES.
WHO WAS THE SECOND COMMISSIONER RE AND THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY YES.
I THINK THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS.
'CAUSE IF IT DOES, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT FOUR 10.
IT JUST FEELS LIKE IT IN HERE.