* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. [BRIEFINGS] 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. WE'LL GET STARTED. THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SCHOCK, DISTRICT TWO. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DISTRICT THREE. COMMISSIONER HERBERT. HERE. DISTRICT FOUR. COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, DISTRICT FIVE. CHAIR SHADI, DISTRICT SIX. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. PRESENT. DISTRICT SEVEN. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, REAGAN. DISTRICT EIGHT. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN PRESENT. DISTRICT NINE. COMMISSIONER SLEEPER. HERE. DISTRICT 10. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. PRESENT? DISTRICT 11. COMMISSIONER NIGHTINGALE. DISTRICT 12. COMMISSIONER HAWK DISTRICT 13. COMMISSIONER HALL. YES. DISTRICT 14, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND PLACE 15 VICE CHAIR RUBIN, I'M HERE. YOU HAVE QUORUM, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD MORNING. TODAY IS THURSDAY, APRIL 10TH, 9:08 AM WELCOME TO THE BRIEFING OF DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. UH, COMMISSIONERS, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST A TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS, UH, TO STAFF. AND, UH, A COUPLE OF MOVING PARTS THIS MORNING. WE HAVE, UH, UH, SOME PLANNER AVAILABILITY THAT WILL ONLY BE AROUND FOR TILL 10 O'CLOCK. SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH TWO OF THE CASES IN D ONE, NUMBER 12 AND 13. SO, WE'LL, WE'LL BRIEF NUMBER 12 FIRST AND THEN, UH, I HAVE A CONFLICT ON 13, SO I'LL STEP OUT ON, ON, UH, ON THE SECOND ONE. SO WE'LL BEGIN WITH NUMBER 12. AND MR. ROBERTS. GOOD MORNING, SIR. SIR, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. AND, AND, UH, JUST LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER SCHOCK IS NOT IN THE CHAMBER. THANK YOU CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR THE CONSIDERATION AS WELL. OUT OF ORDER HERE, BEAR WITH ME. YOU SEE THAT CHAIR OF THE CHAMBERS? YES. WONDERFUL, THANK YOU. THIS IS CASE, UH, Z 2 3 4 DASH 20. IT'S A, UH, SORT OF A DUAL REQUEST FOR A NEW PD SUBDISTRICT, UH, WITHIN PD FOUR, UM, 68. THAT'S THE OAK CLIFF GATEWAY SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT. AND THE SECOND HALF WOULD BE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A BOUTIQUE HOTEL. UH, THIS, THIS REQUEST COVERS TWO PROPERTIES, UH, LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 135 FEET SOUTH OF THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF, UH, CANTY IN NORTH ZANG. UH, JUST SOME ZONING BACKGROUND. THIS TWO TRACKS ARE WITHIN SUBDISTRICT B TRACK FOUR OF THE PD, UH, 4 68. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THE, ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF THIS REQUEST. SO TWO PROPERTIES, 2 72 ZANG, AND SEVEN, OR PARDON ME, 7 27 ZANG AND SEVEN 19 ZANG. SO, UH, LOT SEVEN A, THAT'S THE NORTHERNMOST LOT. IT'S CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A THREE STORY, UH, 28 UNIT MULTIFAMILY BUILDING. UH, THE SOUTHERNMOST LOT, LOT EIGHT OR THE SOUTH HALF OF LOT EIGHT, UH, IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY BUILDING. UM, THE REQUEST WOULD ALLOW FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING THAT'S ON THE NORTHERN LOT TO CONVERT TO A BOUTIQUE HOTEL, UH, WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR PHASE TWO. THAT'S THE SOUTHERN LOT, UH, TO DEVELOP IN THE FUTURE WITH A BOUTIQUE HOTEL WITH AN ADDITIONAL 12 UNITS A I CAN SEE ITS LOCATION THERE OFF OF ZANG, AGAIN, COVERING THOSE TWO LOTS SURROUNDING ZONING. SINGLE FAMILY TO THE NORTH AND WEST, SO SOME VACANCIES TO THE, TO THE EAST AND SOUTH. TAKE A LOOK AT THE SITE THERE. LOOKING BACK AT THAT EXISTING MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING AND THEN TAKING A LOOK AT THE, UH, ABUTTING SOUTHERN SINGLE FAMILY BUILDING, THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE PHASE TWO IN THE FUTURE. SOME OF THE REQUESTED CONDITIONS IN THE PD SUBDISTRICTS, UH, THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL WILL BE PERMITTED BY SPECIFIC USE PERMITS. THAT IS THE SECOND PORTION OF THE REQUEST AS WELL. TODAY, THE, UH, A DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED KNOWING THAT THE SEP SITE PLAN, UH, WOULD APPLY IN THAT CASE. UM, KITCHENS WOULD BE PERMITTED IN GUEST ROOMS. THAT'S IN DIRECT RELATION TO THE DEFINITION OF A BOUTIQUE HOTEL IN THIS PD. UH, SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT THOSE ARE NOT PERMITTED, UH, AGAIN, WITH THE EXTERNAL ENTRY PERMITTED FOR THE GUEST ROOMS. UH, ONE PARKING SPACE PER TWO GUESTS, NO LOADING ZONE, NO DUMPSTER REQUIRED. [00:05:02] UH, TAKING A LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, YOU'LL SEE PHASE ONE, THAT'S SORT OF PLAN RIGHT IN BLUE. IT'S THAT EXISTING 28 UNITS. THE FUTURE OF 12 UNITS WOULD BE, UH, POTENTIALLY DEVELOPED TO THE SOUTH. THAT'S PLAN LEFT LIGHTED IN ORANGE. WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE PARKING CONDITIONS, UH, AND THE REAR, SO THAT'D BE THE EASTERN PART OF THE SITE. AND THEN TAKING A LOOK AT THOSE EXISTING BUILDINGS FRONT AND ZANG, AS WELL AS THE POTENTIAL FOR PHASE TWO THERE. PLAN LEFT. UH, SO WITH THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE NEW SUBDISTRICT, UH, SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND, UH, APPROVAL OF THE SPECIFIC EAST PERMIT FOR A FOUR YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN CONDITIONS. AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, SIR. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. UM, I COULD HAVE MISSED THIS, BUT I SAW THERE WAS PHASE ONE AND THEN PHASE TWO. WILL THESE TWO BE CONNECTED OR ARE THEY SEPARATE BUILDINGS? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. COMMISSIONER HERBERT. SO THEY, THEY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TOO SURE IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY CONNECTED, BUT THE WAY THAT THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS IN THAT AREA, THEY WOULD BE NEARLY CONNECTED IF NOT CONNECTED, UH, IN THE FUTURE. SO PHASE TWO, IF IT WERE EVER TO COME TO FRUITION, THAT EXISTING BUILDING WOULD BE REMOVED, UH, IN DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, THE RENTAL PERIOD THAT'S DICTATED IN THE DEFINITION OF BOUTIQUE HOTEL AND THE PD. UM, 'CAUSE I BELIEVE THE CASE REPORT SAID THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS HISTORICALLY HAD A RENTAL PERIOD OF LESS THAN TWO WEEKS FOR ABOUT 65% OF ITS UNITS. BUT, UM, WITH THAT PART OF THE DEFINITION NOT BEING ALTERED IN THE PROPOSED, UM, YOU KNOW, CHANGES, UH, THE, THE DEFINITION LIMITING RENTALS TO LESS THAN 14 DAYS WOULD BE THE CONTROLLING PROVISION. IS THAT CORRECT? WERE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME? COULD YOU, COULD YOU NOT HEAR ME, COMMISSIONER? I'M SORRY. OH, OKAY. UM, THE DEFINITION OF BOUTIQUE HOTEL IN THE PD LIMITS THE RENTAL PERIOD TO 14 DAYS OR LESS. THE CASE REPORT SAID THAT FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UM, COMPLEX, THE PATTERN HAS BEEN ABOUT 65% OF THE RENTALS HAVE BEEN FOR 14 DAYS OR LESS. BUT SINCE THAT PROVISION IS NOT BEING PROPOSED TO BE ALTERED IN THE, THE PD, THAT WOULD MEAN THE ENTIRE BUILDING WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE 14 DAYS OR LESS RENTAL, CORRECT? YES. THE DEFINITION IF UNALTERED WOULD BE THE COMMANDING. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND, UH, ONE MORE, UH, WE DID RECEIVE THE, UH, I MEAN A PRESENTATION LAST NIGHT, UH, EMAIL TO US FROM THE, UM, ZONING CONSULTANT AND THERE WERE SOME NEW, UH, OPERATIONS PROVISIONS INCLUDED. UM, ARE ANY OF THOSE OR WERE THOSE, UH, PROPOSED AS ALTERATIONS TO THE SUP CONDITIONS? I HAVE NOT SEEN THOSE. COMMISSIONER, UM, SORRY, I I CAN SPEAK TO THOSE. OKAY. ALRIGHT, I'LL ASK THIS AFTERNOON. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU VICE. YEAH, JUST, JUST ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP ON COMMISSIONER, UM, CARPENTER'S COMMENTS, UH, OR, OR QUESTIONS. I, I, I HEARD YOU SAY THAT, THAT IF THE PD CONDITIONS ARE NOT ALTERED, UH, THE RENTALS WOULD BE LIMITED TO 14 DAYS OR LESS. IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THIS SUBDISTRICT TO ALLOW RENTALS OF ANYWHERE FROM ONE DAY TO, YOU KNOW, A, A LONG-TERM YEAR PLUS LEASE IF WE PUT THE APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE IN THE, IN THE PD? YEAH, IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. COMM, UH, VICE CHAIR, I'M NOT TOO SURE THE COMFORT WITH ALTERING THOSE PROVISIONS AS PART OF THE ZONING. I MIGHT WANNA DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY ON THAT, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T ACCIDENTALLY LIMIT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT PERMITTED TO LIMIT AS PART OF ZONING. UM, ALTHOUGH I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE PROVISIONS OF THAT IN THE CURRENT DEFINITION. UM, SO THAT WOULD LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THAT YOU COULD, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW IF MS. MS. MORRISON CAUGHT THAT, BUT I CAN VISIT WITH HER, UM, IN A MINUTE. SO, IS THE QUESTION, COULD WE AMEND THE PD, THE PROPOSED PD LANGUAGE TO ALLOW FOR A BOUTIQUE HOTEL IN THIS SUBDISTRICT TO RENT ON A LONGER TERM BASIS? YEAH. SORT OF A NOTWITHSTANDING, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I MEAN, WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO AMEND THE DEFINITION TO SAY EXCEPT FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS SUBDISTRICT OKAY. THAT IT COULD BE RENTED UP TO 14 DAYS. AND THEN IN THE SPECIFIC SUBDISTRICT PROVISIONS, WE WOULD PUT A TIME PERIOD, UM, THERE IF WE WANTED [00:10:01] TO EXTEND PAST 14 DAYS FOR THIS PROPERTY. OKAY. THANK YOU MS. MORRISON. THANK YOU MR. ROBERTS. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? YES. COMMISSIONER FOREC. IS THE, UM, PHASE TWO, UH, INCLUDED WITH THIS SUP OR WILL THAT REQUIRE, UH, UH, AN ADDITIONAL SUP IN THE FUTURE WHEN PHASE TWO IS BUILT? IF PHASE TWO WERE TO BE BUILT, THIS SUP WOULD, WOULD ESTABLISH THE SITE PLAN AND THE USE FOR THAT PROPERTY. SO IT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE PERMITTED ASSUMING THE SUP IS ACTIVE, UM, AT THAT TIME. AND DID I UNDERSTAND YOU TO SAY IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT THERE IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE RIGHT NOW, UH, A AN ACTUAL SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE THAT, THAT IS ON THE PROPERTY WHERE THE PHASE TWO WILL BE BUILT? YES, SIR. IT LOOKED TO BE A, A SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE THAT WAS, THAT WAS THERE ON SITE DURING OUR SITE VISIT. OKAY. AND WHAT DID YOU SAY, THE PARKING? UH, UH, IN, IN, IN, IN THIS, UH, UH, FOR THE, FOR THIS PROJECT IS, IS ONE, ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY TWO GUEST FOR TWO GUEST ROOMS? YES. COMMISSIONER. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS. I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. ROBERTS, ABOUT THE, THE THOROUGHFARE DESIGNATION ON 12 THREE. WHERE, WHERE DOES THE MINOR ARTERIAL LAND, YOU KNOW, IN THE, THE HIERARCHY OF OUR, OUR DESIGNATIONS IN THE 100 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY? COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? YES. WHERE, IN TERMS OF WHERE IT LANDS IN ON THE OVERALL HIERARCHY? YES. YOU KNOW, IS IT CONSIDERED A, A SMALL STREET? IT, IT CERTAINLY, IT'S BIGGER THAN A, I GUESS THE WAY I'LL ANSWER IT, IT'S BIGGER THAN A LOCAL THOROUGHFARE WOULD BE. UM, LESS THAN A, THAN SOME SORT OF A LARGER AND PERHAPS EVEN BIGGER THAN A COLLECTOR WOULD BE. UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY LESS THAN A, THAN ANY SORT OF MAJOR ARTERIAL WOULD BE DESIGNATED. UH, IN TERMS OF THIS SECTION, PLEASE? YES. HI, I'M MEGAN WEER, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR. I JUST WANNA CHIME IN A LITTLE BIT ON THAT. WE CAN GET, UH, SOMEONE FROM TRANSPORTATION, BUT TYPICALLY THE COMMUNITY COLLECTORS AND THE LARGER RIGHT OF WAYS, UH, SUCH AS MINOR ARTERIALS ARE INTENDED TO CIRCULATE TRAFFIC. UM, SO IT'S NOT A TYPICAL NEIGHBORHOOD STREET, IT'S MORE OF A COLLECTOR AND CIRCULATING THAT'S IN MY VERY NON-TECHNICAL TRANSPORTATION TERMS. BUT WE CAN GET MORE INFORMATION FOR THE PUBLICATION. IT'S NOT THE LOWEST DESIGNATION. IT'S NOT THE LOWEST. YES, IT'S NOT. AND THESE ARE BOTH 100 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, OR THIS IS WHICH, IS THAT CONSIDERED WIDE IN GENERAL? YES. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS. OKAY, WE'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT CASE. ALRIGHT. AND JUST NOTING FOR THE RECORD THAT CHAIR, SHE SHEAD IS STEPPING OUT FOR A CONFLICT, AND, UH, COMMISSIONER CHERNOCK HAS ALSO STEPPED OUT ON THIS ITEM. BACK TO YOU, MR. ROBERTS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THIS IS CASE Z 2 3 4 DASH 1 21. THIS IS SIMILAR REQUEST FOR A NEW PD SUBDISTRICT. THIS IS WI WITHIN PD EIGHT 30. THAT'S THE DAVIS STREET SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT AND A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A BOUTIQUE HOTEL. UH, THIS IS A SINGULAR PROPERTY. IT'S LOCATED APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED FEET SOUTH, UM, OF THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF WEST NEELY AND NORTH BISHOP. AGAIN, EXISTING ZONING CONDITION IS PD EIGHT 30 SUBDISTRICT ONE. UH, THIS IS A PROPERTY LOCATED AT SIX 20 NORTH BISHOP. UH, IT'S CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A THREE STORY EIGHT UNIT MULTIFAMILY BUILDING WITH EXTERNAL TERRACES. UH, THE REQUEST WOULD ALLOW FOR THE MULTI, FOR THE MULTIFAMILY BUILDING TO CONVERT TO A BOUTIQUE HOTEL AS IS. AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S LOCATION THERE, IT'S RELATIONSHIP TO THE BLOCK. UM, SOME LOCAL OFFICE USES THROUGHOUT SINGLE FAMILY TO THE EAST, A MULTI-TENANT BUILDING, UH, RETAIL TO THE WEST. I'M TAKING A LOOK AT THE SITE THERE OFF OF BISHOP, LOOKING DOWN BISHOP, UH, SORT OF INTERNAL TO THE SITE ON THE, UH, VEHICLE MANEUVERING AREA. LOOKING AT THE EXTERNAL TERRACES, UH, REQUESTED CONDITIONS, THE THE PD SUBDISTRICTS, UH, WOULD ALLOW FOR THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL BY SEP. UH, AGAIN, DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD BE SUBSTITUTED BY THE SEP SITE PLAN. IN THIS CONDITION, KITCHEN'S PERMITTED, UH, EXTERNAL INJURIES PERMITTED, UH, MINIMUM OF SIX PARKING STALLS ARE REQUIRED ON [00:15:01] SITE THAT MATCHES THE EXISTING AMOUNT OF PARKING ON SITE. UH, NO LOADING AND, AND DUMPSTERS ARE PROHIBITED. COULD SEE THE SEP SITE PLAN THERE. AND WITH THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE NEW SUBDISTRICT SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A FOUR YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. THANK YOU MR. ROBERTS, UH, QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM. UM, JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION, MR. ROBERTS. MAYBE YOU WENT THROUGH THAT, UM, PRETTY QUICKLY AND I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED BY THE, THE CASE REPORT. WHAT ARE THE USES OR, OR STRUCTURES ON, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PROPOSED ZONING REQUEST? SO WOULD THAT BE TO THE, THE NORTH AND SOUTH? LET ME ORIENT MYSELF. YEAH. NORTH, NORTH, SOUTH. MM-HMM . OKAY. ALONG BISHOP. SO NORTH IS A YES ALONG BISHOP. SO NORTH IS A SMALLER OFFICE BUILDING. UH, IF I, IF I'M BELIEVE CORRECT, IT'S THAT SINGLE STORY. UH, SOUTH IS ALSO A SORT OF AN OFFICE STRUCTURE, UM, BASED ON OUR SITE, THERE'S A AND, AND THE AERIAL. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. ROBERTS. ANYONE ELSE HAVE HAVE QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, WE'LL LET CHAIR SHEAD AND, UM, COMMISSIONER TURNOCK, COME BACK THERE AND WE'LL GIVE THEM A MINUTE BEFORE WE GET BACK TO OUR OTHER BRIEFINGS. IT IS. OKAY. UH, GOOD MORNING. SO COMMISSIONERS, NOW WE'LL GO BACK, UH, IN ORDER WE'LL BEGIN WITH OUR, UH, BRIEFING MR. POOL. GOOD MORNING, SIR. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. GOOD MORNING, CHAIR. SHAIDE. UH, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TODAY. I WANTED TO GIVE YOU, UH, INTRODUCE THE NEW LAND MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WE'RE IMPLEMENTING CALLED DALLAS. NOW, UH, WE'LL PROVIDE A FEW HIGHLIGHTS AND BENEFITS AND THEN I, I WANT TO GO OVER SOME, SOME KEY IMPORTANT DATES, UH, AS WE IMPLEMENT THIS, THIS NEW, THIS NEW PROCESS. SO, I GUESS THE FIRST THING, WHAT IS DALLAS NOW? IT IS, UH, A LAND MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE. UH, THIS IS WHAT WE USE FOR ALL OF OUR LAND MANAGEMENT, INCLUDING PERMITTING. UH, THE CURRENT SYSTEM IS CALLED POSSE. IT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN IN PLACE FOR A LITTLE OVER 20 YEARS. AND, AND BASED ON TECHNOLOGY AND AND OTHER ADVANCEMENTS, IT'S, IT'S TIME TO UPDATE. UM, I DO HAVE A QUICK LITTLE VIDEO I'M GONNA SHOW THAT STAFF HAS PUT TOGETHER, UM, JUST AS AN INTRO, WE'VE GOT THIS POSTED ON OUR PUBLIC WEBSITE AND A FEW OTHER PLACES, BUT I WANTED TO INTRODUCE IT TO YOU. BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND. THE CITY OF DALLAS PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT IS EXCITED. IN JUST A FEW SHORT WEEKS, WE WILL INTRODUCE OUR NEW LAND MANAGEMENT PLATFORM, DALLAS. NOW THIS NEW PLATFORM WILL REVOLUTIONIZE HOW WE HANDLE PERMITTING, PLANNING, ZONING, INSPECTIONS, AND MUCH MORE. DALLAS NOW IS A CLOUD-BASED SYSTEM DESIGNED TO INTEGRATE 15 DIFFERENT SYSTEMS, INCLUDING PROJECT DOCS AND GIS INTO ONE SEAMLESS POWERFUL PLATFORM. THIS NEW SYSTEM IS SET TO ENHANCE EFFICIENCY, IMPROVE TRANSPARENCY, AND PROVIDE TOP-NOTCH CUSTOMER SERVICE. DALLAS NOW WILL CHANGE THE WAY WE MANAGE KEY PROCESSES AND DELIVER SERVICES TO OUR CUSTOMERS. KEY BENEFITS OF DALLAS NOW STREAMLINED PROCESSING, IMPROVED PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY, ENHANCED CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE. DALLAS NOW IS MORE THAN JUST A PLATFORM. IT'S A GAME CHANGER IN HOW WE MANAGE PLANNING, ZONING, AND LAND USE IN DALLAS. BY REDUCING DELAYS, IMPROVING COMMUNICATION, AND MEETING THE NEEDS OF OUR CUSTOMERS. WE'RE SETTING THE STAGE FOR A MORE EFFICIENT AND RESPONSIVE FUTURE. WE'RE EXCITED TO ROLL OUT DALLAS NOW AND CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HOW IT WILL IMPROVE OUR PROCESSES AND HELP US BETTER SERVE YOU. ALRIGHT, SO AS, AS YOU'RE AWARE, UH, IN JUNE OF 2004, PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WERE OFFICIALLY MERGED, UH, BROUGHT TOGETHER AS ONE DEPARTMENT, WHICH BROUGHT ALL [00:20:01] OF OUR SERVICES UNDER ONE ROOF. UH, PRIOR TO THIS, UH, FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS, WE WERE ALREADY WORKING TO BUILD A NEW SYSTEM THAT MATCHES THAT VISION. UM, ORIGINALLY WE SET TO LAUNCH IN THE SUMMER OF THIS YEAR, BUT DALLAS NOW IS CURRENTLY IN THE FINAL STAGES, UH, TWO MONTHS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE AND IS SET TO LAUNCH ON MAY 5TH. UM, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING A UNIFIED SYSTEM FOR A UNIFIED DEPARTMENT. UM, WE'RE SEEKING TO MAKE IT EASIER, MORE CONNECTED AND SET US UP FOR BETTER SERVICE AND FUTURE IMPROVEMENT. UH, DALLAS NOW WILL MAKE US MORE INTEGRATED, UH, BY BRINGING ALL OF OUR CORE FUNCTIONS, INCLUDING ZONING, PLATTING, ENGINEERING, PERMITTING, AND INSPECTIONS INTO ONE CLOUD-BASED SYSTEM. CURRENTLY, THESE OPERATE INDEPENDENTLY, UH, WITH OUR MOST ADVANCED BEING AN INTERNAL LOCALLY INSTALLED SOFTWARE THAT HAS A FEW ONLINE COMPONENTS. UH, MANY OF THESE PROCESSES ARE FULLY MANUAL AND RELY ENTIRELY ON PAPER AND PHYSICAL HANDOFFS. UH, WITH DALLAS, NOW EVERYTHING IS IN ONE PLACE. IT'S ACCESSIBLE TO STAFF, TO APPLICANTS, THE PUBLIC. ANYTIME, ANYWHERE. UH, THE SYSTEM CAN BE USED ON ANY DEVICE, UH, WITH WEB CAPABILITY, WHICH ELIMINATES THE NEED TO TRAVEL TO CITY OFFICES. UH, THIS INCLUDES SUBMITTING APPLICATIONS, STAFF COMMENTS, REVISIONS, POST-APPROVAL DOCUMENTS. ALL THIS CAN BE TRACKED AND IT'S VISIBLE FROM A WEB BROWSER. UH, FOR THOSE WHO STILL WISH TO COME IN PERSON, WE WILL OFFER ATTENDED SELF-SERVICE STATIONS IN OUR OFFICES, UH, INTERNALLY DALLAS. NOW, LIKE THE VIDEO SAID, WE'LL INTEGRATE 15 EXTERNAL PLATFORMS AND CREATE A MORE EFFICIENT, ACCURATE WORKFLOW FOR STAFF ACROSS OUR DIVISIONS. UH, DALLAS NOW IS FULLY DIGITAL, WHICH MEANS EVERYTHING HAPPENS IN A SECURE ONLINE ENVIRONMENT. UH, NO MORE PAPER SUBMITTALS OR MAN MANUAL HANDOFFS. UH, PLANS AND DOCUMENTS ARE UPLOADED AND REVISED DIGITALLY INTO THE SYSTEM. APPROVED DOCUMENTS ARE RESEARCHABLE INSTANTLY IN ONE CENTRALIZED LOCATION. UH, DALLAS NOW WILL OFFER REALTIME TRANSPARENCY. UM, OUR CITIZEN ACCESS PORTAL ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO SEARCH RECORDS BY ADDRESS TAX PARCEL ID CONTRACTOR AND, AND MORE FOR APPLICANT'S REALTIME EMAIL NOTIFICATIONS ARE SENT FOR EACH KEY STEP. THIS INCLUDES APPLICATION ACCEPTANCE, PAYMENT CONFIRMATIONS, REVIEW UPDATES, AND OUTCOMES INSPECTION RESULTS. FINAL DECISIONS, UH, DIGITAL COPIES OF ANY OF THOSE RELATED DOCUMENTS THAT WOULD BE CREATED WILL BE SENT DIRECTLY TO THE APPLICANT THROUGH THIS SYSTEM. UH, THESE EMAILS ARE SENT ONCE EACH STEP IS COMPLETED, UH, TO PROVIDE CONSISTENT COMMUNICATION AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND PROVIDE BETTER CUSTOMER SERVICE. SO HOW THIS IS GONNA BENEFIT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AND I DID MENTION THAT THERE ARE TOOLS FOR MORE TRANSPARENCY AND EFFICIENCY. UH, THERE IS IMPROVED CASE TRACKING AND TRANSPARENCY THROUGH THE, UH, CITIZEN ACCESS PORTAL. AND AGAIN, CONTRACTOR OR, UH, APPLICANTS WILL RECEIVE THESE REALTIME NOTIFICATIONS FOR APPLICANTS AND, UH, UPDATES THAT CITIZENS CAN ACCESS. UH, THERE ARE FEATURES THAT OFFER AUTOMATED LETTERS AND REPORTS AND CASE DOCUMENTS THAT ASSIST STAFF AND CREATION. UH, THERE'S EXPANDED SELF-SERVICE OPTIONS FOR APPLICATIONS AND RECORDS. UM, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT IS CURRENTLY HOLDING STAFF TRAINING. WE'VE SET UP ON, UH, HANDS-ON PRACTICE ENVIRONMENTS THAT OUR TEAMS ARE WORKING THROUGH NOW TO LEARN THIS NEW SYSTEM. UH, DURING THE COMING WEEKS, WE'LL BE INCREASING OUR ANNOUNCEMENTS. UH, WE WILL BE REACHING OUT OR WE, WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. WE HAVE SCHEDULED DEMOS. UH, WE WILL HAVE UPCOMING WORKSHOPS AND, AND, AND FURTHER ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS. WE HAVE SET UP A PUBLIC WEBSITE, WHICH THE LINK IS THERE, DALLAS.GOV/DALLAS. NOW, UH, ON THAT SITE, THERE ARE SEVERAL, UH, VIDEOS THAT WE MADE FOR THE PUBLIC. THESE ARE KIND OF FEATURE VIDEOS THAT, THAT PROMO SOME OF THE NEW FEATURES THAT WILL BE IN THE SYSTEM, WHICH WE WILL CONVERT INTO TUTORIALS AS AFTER WE GO LIVE ON MAY 5TH. UM, SO I DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT SOME, SOME KEY DATES. UH, THERE WILL BE AN INTEGRATION AND A DOWNTIME PERIOD. UH, THIS WILL OCCUR BETWEEN APRIL 25TH AND MAY 4TH. UH, WE WILL HAVE LIMITED SERVICES DUE TO A DATA MIGRATION AND, AND TESTING. UH, OPERATIONS THAT WILL CONTINUE ARE GONNA INCLUDE INSPECTIONS, EMERGENCY RELEASES AND CONSULTATIONS, UH, TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS DOWNTIME WHERE OUR ONLINE SYSTEMS WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE. UH, WE HAVE A TWO PHASE CUSTOMER SERVICE INITIATIVE. UH, THE FIRST PHASE WILL KICK IN NEXT WEEK, APRIL 14TH THROUGH APRIL 24TH. UH, DURING THIS TIME WE ARE ASKING ALL TEAM MEMBERS TO BE IN THE OFFICE TO ASSIST ANY, ANY CUSTOMERS. UH, WE'LL ALSO OFFER EXTENDED HOURS, WHICH ARE GONNA BE FROM 8:00 AM TO 6:30 PM AT OAK CLIFF MUNICIPAL CENTER. AND, UH, AFTER THAT, ON THE FIFTH DALLAS, NOW WE'LL OFFICIALLY GO LIVE, UH, WHERE [00:25:01] WE WILL IMPLEMENT OUR PHASE TWO, WHICH IS MAY 5TH THROUGH MAY 16TH. DURING THIS TIME, WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE ALL TEAM MEMBERS IN THE OFFICE. SO WITH THAT, UH, WE HAVE DEVELOPED A QR CODE AND THE PUBLIC SITE. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE WILL OPEN MAY 5TH AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS COMMISSIONERS. MR. RUBIN, YOU CAN GO FIRST. COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I JUST WAS WONDERING, WILL UM, US AS COMMISSIONERS GET A CHANCE TO GET SOME TYPE OF TRAINING OR WILL WE BE INVITED TO THE WORKSHOPS? IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO, THEN, THEN WE CAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY HELP YOU WITH THAT. UM, ESSENTIALLY THE CUSTOMER PORTAL IS GONNA BE RELATIVELY INTUITIVE. UH, AS FAR AS TRAINING FOR THE PUBLIC, SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE GOT PLANNED, UH, ARE AN OPEN HOUSE WHERE WE WILL HAVE ON THE HOUR EVERY HOUR TRAINING FOR THE FIRST COUPLE WEEKS WHERE CUSTOMERS CAN COME IN AND, UH, VIEW THE SYSTEM, ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SYSTEM. UM, WE WILL GET EVERYBODY REGISTERED FOR AN ACCOUNT. UM, BUT, UH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE A SPECIALIZED SESSION, WE CAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY PUT THAT ON THERE AND, UH, WORK SOMETHING OUT. UM, YEAH, EITHER THAT OR EVEN VIRTUAL RECORDINGS OF SESSIONS WILL WORK FOR ME. BUT YEAH. THANK YOU MR. WELL, I, I'M SUPER EXCITED TO, UM, SEE THIS LAUNCH. I THINK IT'S, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING AND I KNOW LOTS OF PEOPLE ON CITY STAFF HAVE WORKED VERY, VERY HARD ON THIS. SO, UM, THANK YOU TO, TO EVERYONE, UM, FOR ALL THEIR EFFORT. UM, I, I GUESS I'LL FIGURE A LOT OUT BY JUST EXPLORING THE SYSTEM ONCE IT LAUNCHES. BUT, BUT JUST A FEW BASIC QUESTIONS. SO I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A SORT OF A, A STAFF, YOU KNOW, VIEW BACKEND AS COMMISSIONERS. WILL WE JUST ACCESS DALLAS NOW THROUGH THE SORT OF PUBLIC PORTAL, OR WILL WE HAVE OUR OWN, YOU KNOW, LOGIN? WILL WE MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PERMISSIONS THAT A MEMBER OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC? WHAT IS, WHAT IS IT GONNA LOOK LIKE? SO, SO YOU WOULD LOG IN THROUGH THE CUSTOMER PORTAL. OKAY. AND THERE, THERE'S QUITE A BIT THAT'S VISIBLE FROM THERE. OKAY. WHETHER IT BE, UH, STATUSES AND, AND WHAT'S WHERE, WHAT APPLICATIONS ARE, WHAT APPLICATIONS ARE IN A CERTAIN AREA, WHAT'S CURRENT, UM, THERE, THERE'S QUITE A BIT THAT'S ACCESSIBLE TO, TO EVERYONE. OKAY. AS FAR AS THE BACKEND, WE RESERVE THAT STRICTLY FOR PROCESSING ANY KIND OF REQUEST OR APPLICATION. YEAH. AND, AND OF COURSE, COMMISSIONERS, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO SCHEDULE THINGS OR, OR, OR PROCESS THINGS. AND THAT'S, I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON THE, THE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC PORTAL THAT WE MAY, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY AS A COMMISSIONER LOOK AT IN THE PROCESS OF OUR ZONING CASE THAT WE STILL MAY NEED TO REACH OUT TO STAFF OR AN APPLICANT TO GET SURE. STAFF IS, IS AVAILABLE JUST LIKE THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. AND YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THE AVENUE IS JUST TO REACH OUT TO STAFF, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW OF A WHOLE LOT THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO SEE BEHIND THE SCENES. OKAY. THINGS LIKE ZRT LETTERS, WOULD THOSE BE ACCESSIBLE THROUGH THE, THE PUBLIC PORTAL? UM, I'M HEARING, YES. OKAY, GREAT. WELL I AM VERY EXCITED TO TAKE IN. THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. YES. IS THAT COMMISSIONER WHEELER? YES. PLEASE. FOR SURE. . SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WANNA ASK CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW. UM, LET ME GET ON VIDEO START. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, CAN YOU, CAN YOU PLEASE MAKE SURE TO TURN YOUR CAMERA ON? I'M ON. OKAY, THERE I GO. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO ASK IS, CURRENTLY WITH THE CURRENT SYSTEM THAT YOU ALL HAVE, WHEN CODE ENFORCEMENT IS COMING OUT, THEY ARE NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE THE SYSTEM, UM, AS FAR AS ADDRESSING AND BEING ABLE TO SEE IF, UH, UM, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE THE, THE WHOLE ADDRESS, BUT THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS ABLE TO SEE SUITES, WHICH IS LEADING TO THEM ISSUING, UM, NOTICES AND, AND, UM, IS THERE GONNA BE A WAY THAT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WHO ARE COMING OUT IS GONNA BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT SYSTEM AND BE ABLE TO SEE ADDRESSING AND SEE IF THOSE COS HAVE BEEN ISSUED OR ANY OF THAT? YES. AND, AND WHAT WE'RE WORKING, THEY, EXCUSE ME. YES, WE, WE ARE, THAT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE THROUGH THE CITIZEN ACCESS PORTAL. WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE VIEW ONLY PRIVILEGES ON THE AREAS THEY NEED. SO, SO, SO, SO CURRENTLY IN ORDER FOR THEM TO ISSUE A CITATION, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH CAD. THEY'RE NOT, SO THEY'RE, UM, SITUATION KIND OF JUST SAW IT. UM, AND, AND THEY, THEY SAID THEY, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH CAD, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH CAD AND NOT BEING ABLE TO, TO VIEW IT EVEN AS SIMPLY AS HOW EVEN THE [00:30:01] PUBLIC VIEWS IT. AND LITERALLY I WENT ONLINE AND KINDA SHOWED THEM LIKE, HOW COULD THEY ACCESS IT. UM, I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE IS ON SAME USE PERMITS, UM, CURRENTLY IN PROJECT DOCS, WHEN YOU UPDATE, WHEN, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU APPLY FOR A, IF YOU, IF YOU WANTED TO USE THE ONLINE PORTAL FOR A NEW CO YOU WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT NEW PLANS. WHEREAS WHEN YOU WALK IN PERSON, IF IT'S THE SAME USE PERMIT, SAME USE PERMIT, AND UM, YOU TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE TO SUBMIT PLANS. IS THAT GOING? HAS THAT BEEN, HAS THAT BEEN ADDRESSED IN THIS NEW SYSTEM? UM, BECAUSE THE PLAN, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACCEPTING THE ONES WHO ARE UM, UH, PROCESSING ONLINE IS NOT THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE NECESSARILY THAT'S IN THE OFFICE OR, OR THEY, YEAH. AND SO THEY'RE HAVING IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS BECAUSE THE DELAY AND PROCESSING. GREAT QUESTION. THANK YOU. SO THIS NEW SYSTEM WILL STANDARDIZE THAT PROCESS. UM, ALL APPLICATIONS WILL GO THROUGH THIS SYSTEM. THERE WON'T BE ANY, UH, PAPER SUBMITTALS. IT WILL ALL BE SUBMITTED THROUGH HERE. IF SOMEBODY DOES COME IN WITH PAPER, WE WILL ASSIST THEM IN GETTING IT INTO THE SYSTEM. BUT EVERYTHING WILL BE PROCESSED THROUGH THE SYSTEM BY OUR TEAMS RATHER THAN EACH, EACH TEAM DOING A SEPARATE FUNCTION. SO, SO, SO THE STANDARD, WHAT I'M ASKING ABOUT THE STANDARD ON SAME UCOS, TYPICALLY YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SUBMIT PLANS UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING THAT CALLS FOR SOMETIME A RESTAURANT. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO, OR A COUPLE OF OTHER ONES THAT YOU MIGHT JUST HAVE TO DO SITE PLANS. ARE YOU ALL CHANGING THAT OR IS THAT, IS THAT GOING TO BE ADDRESSED ON, IN THIS NEW ONLINE SYSTEM? BECAUSE IN THE, IN THE CURRENT ONE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MAKING PEOPLE SUBMIT UNNEEDED DOCUMENTS, UM, UH, ON SAME UCOS. SO THE SYSTEM, AND THIS MAY BE A SEPARATE CONVERSATION, UM, BUT THE SYSTEM WILL REQUIRE CERTAIN DOCUMENTS TO BE UPLOADED WHEN IT'S SUBMITTED, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF APPLICATION. UM, I'LL NEED TO GET BACK WITH YOU ON WHETHER IT ACTUALLY DELINEATES BETWEEN EACH USE AND DETERMINES A DIFFERENT SET OF PLANS THAT ARE NEEDED. BUT IT DOES HAVE A SPACE FOR PLANS TO BE UPDATED. NOW WE DO HAVE STANDARDIZED CHECKLIST, UH, THAT WILL BE IN THE SYSTEM AND STAFF IT NEEDS TO GO OFF THESE CHECKLISTS ON WHEN TO PROVIDE PLANS FOR A SAME UCO AND WHEN NOT. UM, I KNOW SOME, SOME WILL PROVIDE PLANS OR SOME WILL NEED TO PROVIDE PLANS, BUT NOT ALL WILL NEED PLANS. SO WE, THE, THIS SYSTEM SHOULD HELP US STANDARDIZE A LOT OF THAT PROCESS. AND SO IF THAT ISSUE ARISES, UH, WHO, WHO, WHO WOULD THAT BE CONTACTED? BECAUSE AGAIN, CURRENTLY UP UNDER THE CURRENT SYSTEM THEY'RE MAKING, THEY'RE MAKING PEOPLE SUBMIT PLANS FOR ALMO, FOR E ALMOST EVERYTHING, EVEN SAME USES. AND THEN WHEN YOU CAN WALK RIGHT INTO THE OFFICE AND THEY LOOK AND AN INDIVIDUAL LOOK UP AND SAY, OH, WELL THAT WAS A CAR LOT BEFORE, WE DON'T NEED, OR, OR THAT WAS THIS BEFORE A RETAIL, SO WE DON'T NEED PLANS. AND SO I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE SURE. BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE A PROCESSING ISSUE. AND THAT'S WHY A LOT OF DEVELOPERS ARE, ARE, ARE PEOPLE WHO SUBMIT PLANS TYPICALLY ARE STILL GOING INTO THE OFFICE BECAUSE OF THAT NUANCE. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I'M SAYING ME, I, I'M GONNA SAY ME. 'CAUSE I, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I DO. AND, AND, UM, I WOULD RATHER DO IT ONLINE, BUT WHEN I HAVE AN ISSUE WHERE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR ME TO, UH, FOR THEM TO HAVE TO DO GO PAY FOR PLANS, THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN I, THAT'S WHEN THE ISSUE MAY ARISE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO THE, THE ROLLOUT? AND WE'D BE, WE'D BE HAPPY TO MEET OFFLINE AS WELL TO DISCUSS CONCERNS YOU MAY HAVE. COMMISSIONER. PERFECT. THANK, THANK YOU, COMMERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. PO. WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE ROLLOUT WORK AND GETTING OUR HANDS ON IT. UH, COMMISSIONERS WILL GO BACK TO THE TOP OF THE DOCKET AND IF I, IF I MAY ASK, UM, IF IT'S APPROPRIATE, MR. CHAIR, I'M SORRY. UM, SO WHAT CONNOR IS LEAVING US TODAY AT 10 O'CLOCK, IF WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HIS OTHER, UM, ITEM BRIEFED. IT'S UNDER ADVISEMENT, SO I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAD INTENDED TO HEAR IT TODAY OR NOT, BUT YEAH, IT'S MY CASE. YEAH. OH, IT'S YOUR CASE. YEAH. UH, I AM WAITING ACTUALLY TO HEAR FROM [00:35:01] THE APPLICANT, SO, UH, NOT SURE WE'LL BE HEARING THAT CASE TODAY. SO WE, WE WILL, WE WILL PUNT IT FOR NOW. OKAY. UM, AND SO WE'LL BEGIN WITH NUMBER TWO, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. WE CAN BRIEF THAT BY REQUEST. WOULD ANYONE LIKE IT BRIEFED? OKAY, WE'LL GO TO NUMBER. HOW ABOUT NUMBER THREE? NO, NUMBER FOUR. OKAY. WE'LL GO TO OUR ZONING CASES. CONSENT AGENDA AT THIS MOMENT. CASES NUMBER FIVE. UH, NUMBER FIVE HAS COME OFF CONSENT. UH, VICE RUBIN HAS A CONFLICT ON THAT. AND THEN ALSO NUMBER 10 HAS COME OFF. CONSENT WILL BE HELD TO MAY 22ND. YES. WELL, YES. NUMBER SEVEN. NUMBER SEVEN. NUMBER SEVEN. OH YEAH, SARAH WAS GONNA BRIEF THAT CHANGE. OH, THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. SO SEVEN HAS COME OFF CONSENT. 12 AND 13. SO THAT LEAVES 6, 8, 9, AND 11. UH, WE'LL BEGIN WITH NUMBER, WELL ACTUALLY WE WON'T BEGIN WITH NUMBER FIVE. UH, COMMISSIONER HALL IS GONNA COME IN A LITTLE BIT LATER, SO WE'LL TABLE IT FOR NOW. UH, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT TROBIN COULD NOW ENTER THE CHAMBER AGAIN AND WE'LL GO TO NUMBER SEVEN. EXCUSE ME. NUMBER SIX IN D SEVEN. GOOD MORNING. ITEM NUMBER SIX, KZ 2 3 4 2 67. THE REQUESTS AN APPLICATION FOR AN FRT AND OF RESIDENTIAL TRANSITION SUB DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE AND AND C NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT. IT IS LOCATED ON THE EAST CORNER OF CARLTON, GARRETT STREET AND EAST LEE STREET. THIS IS LOCATION MAP, THE AERIAL MAP AND ZONING MAP. UM, SO TOWARDS THE NORTH IT'S UNDEVELOPED AND SINGLE FAMILY UNDEVELOPED TOWARDS THE SOUTH, UM, AND EAST SURROUNDING, UH, DISTRICTS, IT IS PD 5, 95 AND C TOWARDS THE NORTHEAST, SOUTHEAST AND SOUTHWEST. AND THEN TOWARDS THE NORTH, UM, EAST IS PD, UH, 5 95, R FIVE SUBDISTRICT, R FIVE. A SUBDISTRICT THEORY REQUEST IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AND ZONE NC SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PD NUMBER 5 95. UM, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS AN FFR, RT AND SUBDISTRICT TO, TO ALLOW A SINGLE FAMILY. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEVELOP LOTS LESS THAN 5,000 SQUARE FEET. THEREFORE THEY'RE REQUESTING THEY'RE, THEY ARE REQUESTING AN FRT AND SUBDISTRICT BECAUSE THE MINIMUM LAW REQUIREMENT, UH, FOR THAT SUBDISTRICT IS 3,500 SQUARE FEET AS SHOWN ON THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS SECTION. UH, THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS. THE SITE ON ONSITE, UH, CARLTON, UH, GARRY LOOKING NORTHEAST AND THEN SURROUNDING USES TOWARDS THE SOUTHEAST AND THEN TOWARDS THE LOOKING SOUTH, AND THEN ALSO LOOKING SOUTH. UH, SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, THE, THE EXISTING NC AND THEN THE PROPOSED, UH, FRTN AND THEN, UM, CONSISTENCY REVIEW. UM, SO WITHIN THE AREA, THE AREA PLAN, UM, THERE IS THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN. UM, IT FOCUSES ON PROVIDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ATION STRATEGY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE DALLAS FAIR PARK COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SOUTH DALLAS, UH, FAIR PARK ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN. IT ADDRESSES THE NEED TO REDEVELOP VACANT LANDS AND BUILDINGS, AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. [00:40:02] THANK YOU. MS. GARZA. UH, COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER CHER? OH, I THOUGHT I SAW YOUR HERE. FINGER ON THE BUTTON. ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT CASE. UM, MOVE ON TO NUMBER SEVEN. ARE YOU BRIEFING THAT MS. WEER, OR IS IT MS. MAY CHANGE. YEAH, IT'S MS. MAY WE CAN, YEAH, WE CAN SKIP AHEAD. YEAH. THANK. OKAY. UM, NUMBER EIGHT ALSO, UH, MS. MAY STEPPING IN FOR MR. CLINTON. UM, IS MS. CALDWELL ONLINE FOR NUMBER NINE? IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE. OH, IT DOESN'T NEED, DOES ANYONE NEED THAT BRIEF? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? JUST MENTION THAT SHE DOESN'T NEED IT BRIEFED. OH, OKAY. DOES, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO HEAR CASE NUMBER NINE BRIEF? THAT'S ON CONSENT AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER DOES NOT BELIEVE IT NEEDS TO BE BRIEFED. UM, NUMBER 10 GETTING HELD. SO NO NEED TO BRIEF TODAY. ALRIGHT, NUMBER 11. DO WE NEED THAT ONE BRIEFED? NO, I DON'T THINK SO. WE BRIEFED 12 AND 13. UM, SURE SHE DID HAVE TO STEP OUT. UM, SO LET'S SKIP 14. UH, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN NUMBER 15. HAS THAT ONE, HAS THAT BEEN, IT'S IT'S BEING HELD AGAIN UNTIL, DO YOU HAVE A DATE? I DON'T HAVE A DATE YET. OKAY. OKAY. SO BEING HELD, NO NEED TO BRIEF. ALRIGHT. UM, NUMBER 16, THAT'S THE, IN THE CHAIR'S DISTRICT NUMBER 17, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, UM, I THINK WE HAD THAT BRIEF BEFORE. DO WE NEED AN UPDATE OR ANYTHING ON THAT? OKAY. IF YOU COULD BE SURE TO TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE. OKAY. YEAH. THIS ONE HAS BEEN HELD UNTIL MAY 22ND. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. IS IT 22ND OR 24TH? 24TH. DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? MAY 24TH. YES. I SUPPOSE THE 24TH I THOUGHT, I'M NOT SURE WHY I STOPPED THE 22ND. GREAT. 24TH. YEAH, I THINK TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY WOULD BE THE 24TH. 24TH. NO, MAY, I'M SORRY. MAY, MAY 22ND. MAY OH, MAY 22ND. YES. IS THAT THE, I APOLOGIZE THERE. HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH CAFFEINE THIS MORNING. UM, NUMBER 18, BACK TO YOU, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, UM, DOES THIS, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE'VE BRIEFED THIS ONE OR NOT. UH, YES, WE BRIEFED THIS ONE, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE FOR IT TO BE, UH, REVIEWED. JUST AN UPDATE? YES. OKAY, GREAT. UM, THAT'S ALSO A MS. MAY, MS. MAY MAY CASE. UM, LET'S GO TO OUR INDIVIDUAL CASES. UH, COMMISSIONER CHEROK, CAN YOU JUST RUN THROUGH WHAT'S BEEN HELD ON THAT LAST LITTLE, UM, YES NUMBER? ABSOLUTELY. UM, SO I'M GONNA JUST GO FROM THE TOP. UM, I HAVE NUMBER 10 BEING HELD TILL MAY 22ND. NUMBER 15 BEING HELD TO DATE. TBD NUMBER 17 BEING HELD TO DATE. TBD, UH, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE BEING HELD AT THE MOMENT. 13. 13. I DON'T 13 IS THAT. SO I DON'T BELIEVE 13 IS BEING NO HELD. IT'S OFF CONSENT. IT'S JUST THIR 12 AND 13 ARE COMING OFF CONSENT BECAUSE OF COMPLEX. ALRIGHT, I GUESS WE'LL HOP TO OUR INDIVIDUAL CASES. UM, NUMBER 19. UH, MS. CALDWELL SECOND. UH, IS IT BEING SURE. CAN YOU TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE PLEASE? SO THIS CASE WAS ALREADY, UH, UH, VOTED ON BY THE CPC AND THEN IT WENT TO COUNSEL AND THEY REMANDED BACK TO US. SO WE'VE ALREADY HEARD THIS CASE. MY QUESTION IS, UH, IF YOU COULD JUST CLARIFY WHY THIS WAS REMANDED TO US. AGAIN, NOTIFICATION. YEAH. MS. MS. WEER. YEAH. UM, LET, LET ME TRY ON THAT. SO JUST FOR A BRIEF HISTORY. SO THE NOTICE WAS ORIGINALLY SENT AND IT INCORRECTLY STATED A JANUARY 24 DATE RATHER THAN JANUARY 25TH. SO IT WAS RENO TO SAY JANUARY 25TH. [00:45:01] UM, BUT WE MISSED THE SPANISH NOTICE, SO IT WENT TO COUNSEL WITHOUT A SPANISH NOTICE. UM, SO WE ARE REMANDING IT BACK TO CPC SO IT CAN BE PROPERLY NOTIFIED FOR THE CORRECT DATES WITH ENGLISH AND SPANISH. AND WE ARE DOING A DOUBLE NOTICE THIS TIME SO THAT IT'S NOT HOLDING THEM UP THE APPLICANT UP FURTHER. SO IF YOU GUYS TAKE ACTION TODAY, IT WILL THEN GO TO COUNSEL ON APRIL 23RD. THANK YOU MS. WEER. IN LIGHT OF THAT, DO WE NEED THIS ONE BRIEF COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. OKAY. FOR MS WEER OR FOR THE PLANNER? WELL, FOR THE, FOR, UH, OKAY. YEAH, GO AHEAD. MY, MY QUESTION IS, UH, WE ACTUALLY PASSED THIS WITH APPROVAL WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR RENEWAL IN FIVE YEARS, BUT NOT AUTOMATIC RENEWAL. AND, AND, AND SO NOW THIS HAS COME BACK TO US WITH A STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL, WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE VOTED, I THINK THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. SO YOU ARE FREE TO MAKE WHATEVER MOTION YOU SEE FIT NOW THAT IT'S BACK IN FRONT OF US. SO IF YOU, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT THAT'S HOW WE VOTED, YOU KNOW? YEP. WHAT WHATEVER WE DO DOESN'T, IN MY UNDERSTANDING, TYPICALLY DOES NOT CHANGE WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS, WHICH BEFORE IT WAS. WELL, WE DON'T NEED TO REHEAR THIS. I ASK YOU THE QUESTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THAT RESOLVES THE BRIEFING ON 19, NUMBER 20. UH, MS. GARZA, IS THIS READY TO BE BRIEFED? NO, WE WANT TO, UH, HOLD THIS ONE UNTIL JUNE THE 26TH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, THAT BRINGS US TO, WHO IS THAT? HELLO? COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER WRIGHT? UH, CAN, CAN YOU, SORRY, COMMISSIONER WHEELER. I CAN'T, I, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UM, I HAD A COMMISSIONER. I HAD A QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN. I MEAN, IF, IF, IF THIS IS DISCUSSING THE, THE MERITS OF THE CASE, THEN WE CAN DO THAT. THIS, NO, IT'S NOT THE MERIT OF THE CASE. I JUST WANTED TO MAYBE ADVISE THAT YOU'RE HOLDING THE CASE TILL THAT FAR IN JUNE. THAT COUNCIL COMMISSIONER WHEELER, WE CAN, WE CAN DISCUSS THIS WHEN WE DISCUSS THE ITEM AT THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, HOW WE DISPOSE OF IT IS, IS NOT IN FRONT OF IT AT, AT THIS TIME. SO THAT, THAT'S PERFECT FOR DISCUSSION LATER ON, BUT NOT FOR RIGHT NOW. WE'RE JUST GETTING BRIEFED BY CITY STAFF. UM, ALRIGHT. NUMBER 21, MR. BATE. GOOD MORNING COMMISSION. THIS IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH 2 97. IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT. ONE MOMENT ON PROPERTY ZONE AT MC FOUR, MULTIPLE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF DATA DRIVE AND EXECUTIVE DRIVE NORTH OF EAST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, APPROXIMATELY 41,200 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE OVER HERE, UH, FAR NORTHWEST PART OF THE CITY, KINDA LAKE HIGHLANDS AREA. THERE'S AN AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE AREA OF REQUEST, THE SURROUNDING ZONING. IT'S AN INTERESTING MIX OUT HERE. UH, YOU DO HAVE THIS LARGE MC FOUR DISTRICT, WHICH UH, I THINK IT WAS MY FIRST CASE WITH AN MC FOUR INVOLVED. UM, TO THE SOUTH YOU HAVE AN RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT AS WELL AS TO THE WEST SORT OF LOOPS AROUND THERE. TO THE EAST, YOU DO HAVE A CS DISTRICT THAT IS MOSTLY DEVELOPED WITH A FEW DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS AND SOME UNDEVELOPED SITES. NORTH OF THAT IS AN MU ONE DISTRICT, THEN ANOTHER CS DISTRICT. UH, AND THEN IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE IS AN MF ONE, A DISTRICT THAT IS DEVELOPED WITH MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. SO THE SITE CURRENTLY HAS SURFACE PARKING THAT IS SERVING AN ADJACENT OFFICE BUILDING. THE APPLICANT WISHES TO BUILD A WAREHOUSE ON THE SITE AND AS SUCH THEY'RE REQUESTING A ZONING CHANGE TO SEE US COMMERCIAL SERVICE. THESE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE SITE ITSELF. IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY SCREENED OFF FROM, UH, FROM THE SURROUNDING AREAS. THAT'S A PHOTO LOOKING AWAY FROM THE SITE, THIS IS A COMPARISON TO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. [00:50:01] SO WITH THE EXISTING MC FOUR, YOU HAVE A 15 FOOT FRONT SETBACK, WHEREAS WITH THE CS THERE'S NO MINIMUM FRONT SETBACK. UM, I BELIEVE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY STILL APPLIES HERE. SO IT WOULD FORCE A 15 FOOT FRONT SETBACK REGARDLESS. YOUR SIDE AND REARS ARE THE SAME. FAR IS ACTUALLY LOWER THAN MC FOUR AND THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS LOWER THAN MC FOUR AS WELL. UM, IN TERMS OF I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THE BUILDING ENVELOPES AND WHAT'S ALLOWED, IT'S CERTAINLY A LESS INTENSIVE DISTRICT THAN MC FOUR. UH, WHERE IT IS MORE INTENSIVE IS IN THE PRIMARY USES. MC FOUR IS GENERALLY SEEN AS BEING USED FOR MEDIUM DENSITY LODGING OFFICE RETAIL USES IT, IT'S ALMOST LIKE OUR MU DISTRICTS, BUT FOCUSED ON OFFICES AND CERTAIN BUSINESSES. CS IS MORE OF A COMMERCIAL AND BUSINESS SERVING USE. IT'S ONE OF THE FEW DISTRICTS THAT ALLOWS WAREHOUSES, I BELIEVE ALSO IR AND IM, THERE WAS SOME DEBATE OVER CS VERSUS IR HERE AND WHICH ONE IS MORE IMPACTFUL GENERALLY SPEAKING, AND I THINK THIS ACTUALLY WAS DISCUSSED WITH THIS BODY ON ANOTHER CASE RECENTLY, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING WE SEE THAT CS IS A LITTLE MORE CUSTOMER INTENSIVE IN TERMS OF WHAT KINDS OF USES IT ALLOWS. THEY'RE GENERALLY JUST GONNA GENERATE MORE TRAFFIC AT A VERY BROAD LEVEL. IR GENERALLY LESS TRAFFIC INTENSIVE, BUT THE IMPACT ITSELF IS A LITTLE MORE INTENSIVE. BUT REGARDLESS, THEY'RE GOING WITH CS HERE. SO THE SURROUNDING AREA, THERE IS A PREDOMINANCE OF CS AND RR WITH MULTIFAMILY TO THE NORTH. UH, THE INTENDED USE THIS WAREHOUSE, WE FIND THAT IT WOULD BE A VERY LOW IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING AREAS AND USES, HOWEVER, THE PROPOSED DISTRICT, IT WOULD ALLOW SEVERAL USES THAT ARE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE NEARBY MULTIFAMILY. UH, THIS WASN'T AN EASY THING TO ASSESS BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU DO HAVE THESE MIXES OF USES BOTH CS AND RR AS WELL AS THE MULTIFAMILY OF THE NORTH. UM, BUT WE DID FIND, I THINK ULTIMATELY GIVEN WHAT'S ALLOWED THROUGH CS AND PARTICULARLY THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED BY EITHER BY RIGHT OR SIMPLY THROUGH RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY REVIEWS OR DEVELOPMENT IMPACT REVIEWS, IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER THAN WHAT'S ALLOWED THROUGH A, IN THE EXISTING MC FOUR DISTRICT. UM, AS SUCH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL. THANK YOU QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER SLEEPER. UM, MR. BAT THA THANKS TO OUR WONDERFUL ACOUSTICS IN MY NOT SO WONDERFUL HEARING, I UNDERSTOOD ABOUT A THIRD OF WHAT YOU SAID. CAN YOU JUST SUCCINCTLY STATE WHAT IS THE PRIMARY REASON THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING DENIAL? I DON'T NEED A LONG EXPLANATION JUST TO SORT OF SHORT AND SUCCINCT. CERTAINLY, UH, THE REASON FOR IT IS THAT MANY OF THE USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE CS DISTRICT BY RIGHT WOULD BE INCOMPATIBLE WITH ADJACENT MULTIFAMILY THE NORTH. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I, I'M JUST CURIOUS, HAS THERE BEEN A DIALOGUE WITH THE APPLICANT AND DO THEY UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE RECOMMENDING DENIAL OR DO THEY KNOW THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING DENIAL? I BELIEVE SO. I HAVE PROVIDED THEM WITH LOTS OF INFORMATION THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. I DID SEND THEM OUR CASE REPORT EARLIER IN THE WEEK AS WELL AS INFORMATION ON THE MEETING. UM, WE ALSO DID DISCUSS SOME POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVES TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. UH, WE DID DIS I DID INFORM THEM ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF VOLUNTEERING DEED RESTRICTIONS, WHICH WOULD LIMIT SOME OF THOSE MORE INTENSIVE USES. THERE ARE ALSO SOME CREATIVE OPTIONS YOU COULD SAY FOR ESSENTIALLY REPLANTING THESE TWO SITES TO BE ONE BUILD SITE, WHICH WOULD THEN ALLOW THEM TO BUILD THE WAREHOUSES AND ACCESSORY USE. UM, BUT THEY, UH, DECIDED TO, UH, PURSUE THE GENERAL ZONING CHANGE INSTEAD. SO THEN WOULD IT BE CORRECT TO SAY THAT AS OF TODAY, WHILE YOU'VE DISCUSSED THESE OTHER OPTIONS, THERE'S NOT, UH, ANY DIFFERENT OPTION THAT'S GOING TO BE RECOMMENDED TODAY? IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OTHER QUE COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT? YES. THANK YOU. UM, SO I THINK MR. BATE, YOU MAY HAVE ANSWERED MY, MY QUESTION, BUT SO THAT YOU, YOU DO SEE A WORLD WHERE WITH THE RIGHT DEED RESTRICTIONS YOU COULD GET ON BOARD WITH APPROVING THIS. I THINK IF YOU WERE LIMITING THE NUMBER OF, UM, THE NUMBER OF USES THAT ARE ALLOWED, IF YOU'RE REDUCING THE IMPACT, IF YOU'RE KIND OF ESSENTIALLY MAKING IT IN ALMOST LIKE MC FOUR, BUT ALLOWING A WAREHOUSE, UH, STAFF WOULD NEED TO KIND OF REASSESS ALL OF THAT. BUT IT COULD, IT WOULD, IT WOULD CERTAINLY ADDRESS THE MAJOR CONCERNS THAT STAFF HAS. UH, ADDITIONALLY, AS MENTIONED, UH, JUST NOW TO COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE SOME OTHER OPTIONS AS WELL TO AVAIL THEMSELVES OF PROVISIONS IN OUR CODE THAT WOULD ALLOW AN ACCESSORY USE SUCH AS A WAREHOUSE BECAUSE THEY DO OWN BOTH THE SUBJECT SITE AS WELL AS THE ADJACENT, UM, LOT, UH, THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT WITHOUT EVEN [00:55:01] CHANGING THE ZONING. UM, THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. UH, RIGHT, SO, SO BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME OWNER NEXT DOOR, THIS WOULD JUST BE BASICALLY AN EXPANSION OF THE BUSINESS THAT OCCUPIES THE BUILDING IMMEDIATELY, UH, WEST OF THERE. UH, IT'S NOT QUITE AN EXPANSION OF THE BUSINESS AND I THINK THAT DOES GET TO AN EXTENT OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THE ZONING CASE ITSELF. BUT I WILL SAY THAT IT IS, THE WAREHOUSE WOULD BE OWNED BY THE SAME PERSON WHO OWNS THE, THE OFFICE THAT'S ON SITE. IT'S AN UNRELATED BUSINESS. UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT'S ESSENTIALLY FOR STORING MATERIALS FOR, UM, FOR, UH, FOR A SEPARATE BUSINESS. HE HAS, UM, IF THEY WERE TO REPL THOSE TWO SITES INTO ONE LOT, IT BECOMES ONE LEGAL BUILD SITE AND THROUGH OUR CODE, THE, UH, YOU CAN DO ACCESSORY USES REGARDLESS OF WHAT'S ALLOWED IN A DISTRICT SO LONG AS IT FALLS. UM, WELL THERE'S SOME EXCEPTIONS THERE, BUT WITH A WAREHOUSE IN THIS CASE, AS LONG AS IT FALLS BELOW 5% OF THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA OF THE MAIN USE, WHICH IN THIS CASE IS AN OFFICE, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD THAT ACCESSORY USE BY RIGHT. UM, SO THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD, BUILD A WAREHOUSE THAT'S JUST 5% OF THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA OF THE OFFICE. IF THEY WERE TO REPL THESE TWO SITES INTO ONE, I DOUBT IF 5% OF THE FLOOR AREA OF THE OFFICE IS GOING TO GET IT DONE FOR THEM. BUT, UM, ANYWAY, THANK YOU AGAIN. THANK YOU. UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. BATE. UH, COMMISSIONER'S CASE NUMBER 12, UH, IS GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TILL MAY 8TH, EXCUSE ME, 22 AND TAKES US TO NUMBER 23. WE'VE GOTTA LOOP THAT VARIOUS THINGS. SARAH WAS OUT. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. IT'S A LITTLE CHILLY IN HERE. LET ME SHARE, OH, AM I ALLOWED TO SHARE? I'M NOT ABLE TO RIGHT NOW. THERE'S, THANK YOU. HERE WE GO. SO THE PROPOSAL FOR THIS IS CONSIDERATION OF AMENDING THE DEMOLITION DELAY OVERLAY CRITERIA IN SECTION 51 A DASH 4.504 OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE. UH, JUST TO SUMMARIZE, UH, THE DDO DEMOLITION DELAY OVERLAY USES SPECIFIC SURVEYS, DESIGNATIONS, AND OTHER DOCUMENTS AS OFFICIAL CRITERIA FOR THE DEMOLITION DELAY. THESE AMENDMENTS UPDATE THESE CRITERIA AND PROVIDE FOR FUTURE SURVEYS TO BE USED WITHOUT A CODE AMENDMENT. SO, UH, JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE IT CLEARER ON YOUR COMPUTER. CURRENTLY WE HAVE THE EXISTING OR ORDINANCE LANGUAGE AND PARTICULARLY PAY ATTENTION TO ENF WHAT THEY ARE NOW. SO WHEN A DEMOLITION DELAY REQUEST COMES TO US FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, WE THEN HAVE TO RESEARCH AND SEE IF THE PROPERTY FALLS WITHIN, UM, OF COURSE, IF IT IS IN THE DEMOLITION DELAY AND WHETHER IT'S TRIGGERED, UH, WHICH WOULD THEN PUT IT INTO A 45 DAY DEMOLITION DELAY AND IN WHICH CASE IT WOULD GO INTO PHASE TWO AND THREE OF THE PROCESS, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A MEETING WITH THE APPLICANT. CURRENTLY, THE TWO SETS OF SURVEYS THAT WE HAVE ON FILE ONE FROM 1994, HARD HECK MOORE, AND ONE FROM 2003, THE DOWNTOWN DALLAS SURVEY ARE THE ONLY TRIGGERS WE HAVE AS FAR AS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANT DOCUMENTATION THAT WOULD TRIGGER THIS 45 DAY DELAY. SO THE AMENDMENT IS TO ALLOW THE USE OF PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE SURVEY DOCUMENTS. AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE HAD ANOTHER SET DONE THAT WAS COMPLETED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, BUT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO USE IT YET AS A TRIGGER BECAUSE THIS IS VERY SPECIFIC AND I, I GET THAT THIS IS AN OLDER ORDINANCE, SO IT'S TIME TO UPDATE IT. AND AS WELL, WE CURRENTLY HAVE NEW SURVEYS BEING DONE RIGHT NOW, SO WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS WILL BE CHANGED. SO BY THE TIME THOSE COME OUT, WE CAN USE THOSE. AND AGAIN, THE, THE DELAY DOESN'T ALLOW US TO STOP A DEMOLITION. IT ONLY GIVES US PAUSE, GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY COMMISSIONERS OR INTERESTED PARTIES TO SPEAK WITH THE APPLICANT [01:00:01] AND TALK ABOUT OTHER INCENTIVES OTHER THAN DEMOLISHING. UM, SO REALLY IT'S JUST A SIMPLE AMENDMENT THAT FOR US TO INCLUDE ALL, UH, DOCUMENTATION IN THE FUTURE TO COME AS WELL. UM, THERE IS A SMALL AMENDMENT THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THC, TEXAS HISTORIC HISTORIC COMMISSION, AND THAT'S ONLY A RENAMING IN OUR IN NUMBER C. IT SAYS IT'S A BUILDING DESIGNATED AS A STATE, A STATE ARCHEOLOGICAL LANDMARK. THAT LANGUAGE HAS BEEN CHANGED ABOVE US TO, UM, SAY STATE ANTIQUITIES LANDMARKS. SO ANTIQUITIES NOW INCLUDES ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORIC. SO THEY JUST, JUST TO UPDATE IT TO BE MORE IN PRESENT, MORE UPDATED. AND THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT THE REVISION IS. IT HAS GONE BEFORE LANDMARK, THEY APPROVED IT. UM, AND WE DECIDED, WELL, NOT ME, BUT SOMEBODY DECIDED THAT SINCE LANDMARK WAS IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL, WE DID NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH ZAC. WE JUST COME DIRECTLY TO YOU AND THEN AFTER YOU, IT WILL GO UP. UM, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME MR. RUBIN? YEAH. THANK YOU, UM, SO MUCH FOR YOUR, YOUR PRESENTATION. I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE IS YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE IS A RECENTLY CONDUCTED SURVEY, UM, THAT, THAT CITY STAFF OR THE LANDMARK COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE TO MAKE DEMOLITION, YOU KNOW, DELAY DETERMINATIONS, RIGHT? YES. WHY, WHY TAKE THE PA WHY NOT JUST LIST THAT IN THE ORDINANCE AS OPPOSED TO SORT OF OPENING THE DOOR TO, YOU KNOW, ANY SURVEY THAT, THAT MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR PROPOSED TO THEM. SO WE'D HAVE TO REVISE IT TO INCLUDE THAT TOO. AND THEN IN A YEAR WHEN OUR CURRENT SURVEY, THE ONES THAT ARE BEING WORKED ON RIGHT NOW ARE COMPLETED, WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK AND ADD THEM. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH FUNDING AND MATCH MONEY WE GET AS TO HOW MANY SURVEYS WE DO. UM, THAT WAS WHY WE ALL THOUGHT TO JUST ALLOW IT TO INCLUDE ANY SURVEYS PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE SO THAT WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE, BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF A LENGTHY PROCESS. AND IN THE MEANTIME, UM, WE'RE LOSING BUILDINGS. NOT TO SAY AGAIN THAT THIS GIVES US ANY POWER TO STOP DEMOLITION. IT DOES NOT, IT ONLY GIVES PAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A LONG AND, AND DEEP EXPERIENCE LIKE SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES SURE. IN THE AREA OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. YOU KNOW, ONE BENEFIT TO ME ABOUT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY LISTING SPECIFIC SURVEYS IS WE CAN, YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL LANDMARK COMMISSION CPC CAN EVALUATE WHETHER IT'S A GOOD SURVEY OR NOT. BUT HERE IT REFERS BACK TO SECRETARY OF INTERIOR OR TCS CRITERIA. HOW HARD IS IT TO PUT TOGETHER A, A SURVEY THAT COMPLIES WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR'S REQUIREMENTS OR, OR THCS REQUIREMENTS? HOW HARD OR HOW LONG WE, THERE'S A, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, HARDY HECK MOORE, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT CONDUCTED THE ONE THAT WAS COMPLETED A COUPLE YEARS AGO. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE WORKING ON, UM, 10TH STREET RIGHT NOW. MM-HMM . UM, IT, IT'S A LENGTHY, UH, PROCESS BECAUSE YOU, FOR THEY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, THEY GO AND THEY DO WHAT THEY CALL AS LIKE A WINDSHIELD SURVEY. SO THEY'RE COUNTING AND TAKING RECORD OF ALL THE ADDRESSES, THEN THEY LATER GO OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HEAR FROM THEM FOR A WHILE AND THEY DO ALL THE BACKUP RESEARCH TO INCLUDE PHOTOS, DATES, ALL, ANYTHING THEY CAN FIND THAT IS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT. THEN THEY CREATE A REPORT FOR EACH PROPERTY AND THEN WE, THEY THEN COMPILE IT AND SEND IT TO US. SO THE REPORT THAT I HAVE, I BELIEVE IS SOMEWHERE AROUND 800 PAGES. I COULD DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I DON'T KNOW HOW PRUDENT IT WOULD BE TO TRY TO BRING EACH SET OF SURVEYS TO, I MEAN, UNLESS YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH 800 REPORTS, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE HARDY HECK MOORE 2003, WHAT WE HAD DONE RECENTLY WERE, WERE DONE. RIGHT. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ASSURANCES DO WE HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME, A PERSON THAT'S VERY INTERESTED IN PRESERVATION WOULDN'T PUT TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, A SOMETHING SLAP DASH THAT, THAT WOULD BE USED FOR THE DEMOLITION DELAY? UM, I GUESS YOU COULD TAKE, UH, TRUST THAT WE AS THE DEPARTMENT WOULD ONLY HIRE A CONSULTANT THAT IS WELL KNOWN AND COMPETENT BECAUSE HARDY HECK MOORE'S, WHO WE'RE USING NOW. OKAY. WELL I THINK YOU, YOU MAY HAVE HIT ON IT THERE. THESE SURVEYS ARE CONDUCTED BY PROFESSIONALS, CONSULTANTS HIRED BY THE CITY. IT'S NOT THAT ANYONE CAN GO OUT, DO A SURVEY? NO, NO, NO. [01:05:01] OKAY. THEY CAN, SOMETIMES WE AS A STAFF CAN, ALL OF US ARE, UH, SENIOR PLANNERS OR CHIEF MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE A HISTORIC BACKGROUND OF SOME SORT. UM, SO, BUT WE JUST DON'T HAVE TIME. HONESTLY, WE, WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME. WE DON'T HAVE STAFF TO DO THE SURVEYS OURSELVES, BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF PLACES THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF DOES IT. BUT RIGHT NOW WE JUST, WE HAVE A CON CONSULTANT THAT DOES IT. CLARIFICATION THAT THESE ARE CITY COMMISSIONED IS REALLY ADDRESSES MY CONCERN. SO THANK YOU UHHUH. , IT'S NOT OBVIOUS FROM THE LANGUAGE OF THE ORDINANCE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CLARIFICATION NEEDS TO BE MADE JUST TO MAKE SURE FOR FUTURE PEOPLE LOOKING AT THIS, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. BUT JUST A THOUGHT. SO THANK YOU. UNDERSTOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? I HAD ONE QUESTION PLEASE. COMMISSIONER FORAY, DOES THIS CHANGE EXCLUDE THESE EXISTING SURVEYS THAT ARE REFERENCED IN THE, UH, CURRENT ORDINANCE? DOES IT CHANGE? UH, NO. IT WILL STILL INCLUDE THEM. THE HOPE IS TO INCLUDE PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE. MM-HMM . SO IT ACTUALLY PUTS MORE WORK ON STAFF BECAUSE NOW I HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE WHEN ONE DEMOLITION REQUEST COMES THROUGH. BUT IF IT HELPS TO KEEP THE FABRIC OF THE CITY, YOU KNOW, OR AT LEAST PUT THE APPLICANT IN FRONT AND THEY GET TO DISCUSS TAX BENEFITS AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF INCENTIVE TO NOT DEMO, THAT IS OUR GOAL. . ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE'LL TAKE A BREAK HERE. UH, WE HAVE SOME STAFF, UH, ON THE WAY. SO IT'S, UH, 10:13 AM LET'S TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK. COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA GO, UH, TO CASE NUMBER SEVEN. WE'RE GONNA PICK UP THE CASES FROM MR. CLINTON WHO IS OUT TODAY. AND MS. MAY WAS GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO PICK UP THE BATON. AND WE'LL BEGIN WITH NUMBER SEVEN, WHO I THINK HAS SOME CORRECTED LANGUAGE ON ONE SLIDE THAT WE'RE GONNA READ AND BRIEF INTO THE RECORD. ALL RIGHT. Y'ALL ABLE TO SEE THIS PRESENTATION? UM, UM, I'M ASSUMING WE WOULD LIKE TO BE BRIEF ON THIS PRESENTATION AND JUST GO OVER THE REVISIONS OR THE WHOLE THING. JUST REVISIONS THE REVISION. OKAY. WOULD BE FINE WITH ME IF ANYONE ELSE HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION. OKAY. SO, UM, JUST BRIEFLY, THIS IS THE 2 4 5 1 11. UM, IT'S AN APPLICATION TO AMEND PD NINE 16. UM, AND THEY HAD SOME MINOR CHANGES TO IT. THIS IS, UM, WHAT WE NORMALLY CALL THE VILLAGE, UM, OVER ON, UH, EAST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY SKILLMAN, EAST LOVERS IN GREENVILLE. UM, THEY WANTED TO MODIFY JUST A LITTLE MODIFICATIONS TO SOME PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. AND THEY, UM, WANTED TO ADJUST THE, UH, INCREASE THE NUMBER OF HOTEL UNITS, UM, ALLOWED IN THE PD, BUT JUST IN SUBDISTRICT THREE, SORRY, C THAT WAS THE, THE CHANGE. SO I'M JUST GONNA SKIP, UH, THERE'S THAT AND THAT'S THE, THE SITE. UM, SO IT'S ALL ONE PD AND I'M JUST GONNA SKIP ALL THE WAY TO THE END. AND, UM, THE CHANGE THAT I'M BRIEFING IS THAT IN THE DOCKET, UM, IT HAD STRUCK, UM, OUT THE WORD SUBAR C ONLY IN THE DOCKET. UM, BUT THAT WAS UNINTENTIONAL. IT SUBAR C ONLY IN BOTH OF THESE LAND USES WAS INTENDED TO REMAIN. SO, UM, IF WE WERE TO STRIKE IT, THESE LODGING USES WOULD BE ALLOWED EVERYWHERE IN THE PD, WELL, AT LEAST IN B AND C 'CAUSE THIS IS UNDER A, B AND C CATEGORY. SO THE INTENTION WAS JUST TO LEAVE THEM IN C. SO, UM, THIS IS THE REVISION THAT I'M BRIEFING THAT WE'RE REMAINING IN SUB C ONLY. AND SO WE CAN READ INTO THE DOCKET WHENEVER WE'RE GOING THROUGH CONSENT APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO REVISED AMENDED CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED. ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MS. MAY. COMMISSIONER SLEEPER EXCUSE. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, SO WITH WITH THIS REVISION, WE CAN, WE ARE PUTTING IT BACK ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, IS THAT CORRECT? IF THAT'S WHAT CPC WOULD LIKE TO DO? [01:10:01] YES. I'M, I AM. OKAY. AMENDING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE THESE NEW WORDS. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE ENTIRE CPC, BUT I THINK, UH, AS THE COMMISSIONER FOR THAT DISTRICT, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT GO BACK ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IF NO ONE HAS AN OBJECTION AND SO IT WILL BE SEVEN BACK ON CONSENT. UH, AND THAT TAKES US TO NUMBER EIGHT. DO WE NEED THAT ONE BRIEFED? WOULD ANYONE LIKE NUMBER EIGHT BRIEFED? OKAY. FIVE. WE NEED TO DO, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO, TO, UH, TO HIS LATER. I THINK LET'S FINISH WITH MS. MAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ONES THAT WE HAVE? MR. CLINTON ON 16? NUMBER 16 AND THEN 18. OKAY. I THINK 16. WE HAVE BRIEFED BEFORE. DOES ANYBODY WANT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? THAT'LL BE SOME, SOME ON 16? YEP. OKAY. SO IF WE DON'T NEED A BRIEF, THEN I, I CAN HEAR THAT. OKAY. SO LET'S LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT MR. RUBIN HAS A CONFLICT AND IS OUTTA THE CHAMBER. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES. I BELIEVE THIS IS THE CASE FOR WHICH WE GOT A REVISED, UH, DOCUMENT LAST NIGHT. HAS STAFF HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT DOCUMENT OR CAN YOU BRIEF US ON WHAT THE CHANGE IN THAT, THAT SITE PLAN WAS? I DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO REALLY TAKE A GOOD, HARD LOOK AT IT. UM, I THINK THE EMAILED VERSION WAS A LITTLE GRAINY, SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHY I STOPPED DIGGING INTO IT. UM, BUT I'M SURE I CAN GET A CLEARER VERSION. OKAY. ALRIGHT. TO MAKE SURE WE GET ALL THE I'LL, I'LL ASK THIS AFTERNOON. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, I, I THINK THE APPLICANT WILL, WILL HAVE THAT AND, UH, IN MY COMMUNICATIONS WITH THEM, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY SENT IT TO MR. CLINTON OR NOT. I THINK THEY DID AND SOMEHOW IT DID MAKE IT INTO THE LAST DOCKET. ALTHOUGH I HAD, I HAD HAD IT AND I ASSUMED THAT IT DID AND THAT IT WAS NOT. BUT IT'S JUST AN ENTRANCE THERE ON THE NORTH THAT COMES FROM THE, UNDER THE OTHER PROPERTY THAT THEY OWNED. THEY GOT AN EASEMENT, UH, BUT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A, UH, THEY'RE GONNA BE HERE THIS AFTERNOON AND SHOULD HAVE THAT PLAN. UH, BUT THEY DID, I THINK MR. CLINTON MAY HAVE IT. UH, SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? I THINK THEY'RE ALSO GONNA HAVE SOME ADDED LANGUAGE THAT THEY'RE GONNA PROPOSE. SO WE'RE GONNA PROPOSE IN THE MOTION COMMISSIONERS, LET LAST CHAIR RUBIN, UH, THE RECORD REFLECT HE CAN COME BACK IN. DO WE NEED TO GO TO 18? SO 17 IS GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT. UH, 18. DO WE NEED 18 BRIEFED? YEAH, HE DIDN'T, OKAY, LET'S BRIEF IT. OKAY. LET ME MOVE THIS SO I CAN SEE. OKAY, SO 18 IS Z 2 3 4 2 7 7. UM, IT'S A APPLICATION FOR TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS. SO THE FIRST OPTION WOULD BE A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR CERTAIN NON-RESIDENTIAL USES AND TO MAINTAIN THE AREAS WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY. OR THE SECOND OPTION WOULD BE CONSIDERATION OF AN U ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A MINI WAREHOUSE USE. AND TO ALSO MAINTAIN THE AREAS WITH THE D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY. UM, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY, UM, CURRENTLY HAS THREE SONY DISTRICTS ON IT. IT'S CR CS. UH, BOTH OF THOSE HAVE A D ONE OVERLAY AND THE R 75 AREA IN THE REAR IS, UH, DOES NOT HAVE A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY. UM, BUT THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING A MANY WAREHOUSE USE. UM, IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF, SO BELTLINE ROAD, SOUTHWEST OF CFH FREEWAY AND IT'S ABOUT 4.13 ACRES. OKAY, THERE WE GO. UM, UM, ALSO, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I TALKED WITH THE REP REPRESENTATIVE ON THIS AND HE AND HIS CLIENT ARE OKAY. TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE OKAY WITH EITHER OPTION. UM, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DEVELOP A RETAIL, UH, RE RETAIL AND RESTAURANT USES NEAR BELTLINE ROAD. UM, AND IF WE'LL REMEMBER, THAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED CR AND CS AND THE MINI WAREHOUSE, UM, IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY ZONED R SEVEN FIVE. UM, AND THE ONLY DISTRICTS THAT ALLOW MINI WAREHOUSE WITHOUT AN SUP ARE THE CS INDUSTRIAL AND C CENTRAL AREA DISTRICTS. UM, THE FIRST TIME THIS WAS AT CBC, UM, THE REQUEST WAS FOR A CS DISTRICT WITH THESE RESTRICTIONS, UM, SO THAT THEY BASICALLY COULD HAVE THE USE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT, [01:15:01] UM, WHICH WAS BASICALLY WHAT THE PD WAS PROPOSING. SO, UM, IT WAS JUST KIND OF, WHICH WAY DO YOU WANNA SLICE A, A LAND USE THAT'S ALLOWED INDEFINITELY. UM, AND THE PD HAD THE ADDED BENEFIT OF HAVING A SITE PLAN WITH IT. UM, SO THAT'S, UM, WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED ON THE FIRST ONE. UM, CPC, UM, INSTRUCTED STAFF TO RE NOTIFY, UM, FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. UM, AND SO WE DID, UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE TALKED TO THE APPLICANT AND SAID, HEY, THE PD YOU'RE PROPOSING IS JUST BASIC ZONING THAT ALLOWS, UM, THE MINI WAREHOUSE, UM, WITH A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, BASICALLY. SO, UM, SO THEY AGREED THAT, UM, THEY COULD ALSO LIVE AND THRIVE ON A MU ONE DISTRICT, UM, WHICH WOULD ALLOW SINGLE FAMILY USES. AND, UM, UH, THEY REQUESTED ALSO AN SUP FOR THE MINI WAREHOUSE, UH, USE, AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE MORE. UM, AND A MINI WAREHOUSE IS ALLOWED WITH AN SUP AND CRRR MIXED USE AND MULTIPLE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. UM, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS DO NOT PERMIT MANY WAREHOUSE USE. UM, THE SITE IS LOCATED HERE IN THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT OF DALLAS. UM, THE SITE IS HEAVILY WOODED AND UNDEVELOPED. UM, THERE'S MORE UNDEVELOPED LAND TO THE NORTHEAST, UH, THAT'S ZONED CS WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY. UM, MULTIFAMILY ZONING DISTRICT AND DEVELOPMENT IS LOCATED TO THE SOUTHEAST, UM, THE SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITY THAT, UM, IS MORE OR LESS SOUTH OF THE SITE. UM, SEVERAL OF THOSE STAPLERS HAVE COME IN TO TALK TO ME ABOUT IT. UM, AND UH, IT'S, IT'S ZONED R 75 DOWN THERE, WHICH IS WHAT EXTENDS TO THE EAST. WELL, I MEAN, IT'S THE REAR OF THIS PROPERTY, IF YOU WILL. UM, WHEN THOSE RESIDENTS WERE TALKING TO ME, THEY WERE MA PRIMARILY CONCERNED WITH THE, UH, THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME HOMELESS PEOPLE THAT, UM, CAMP OUT IN THE WOOD IN THE WOODED AREAS AND THEY HAD BUILT SOME FIRES 'CAUSE IT WAS COLD RECENTLY. AND, UH, THEY JUST HAVE BEEN HAVING SOME TROUBLES WITH THAT. AND SO THEY WERE HAPPY TO SEE ANYTHING DONE THERE OTHER THAN, UM, CAPE GROUND, UH, UNOFFICIAL CAMPGROUNDS. UM, AND SO FURTHER TO THE WEST WE HAVE, UM, AN MU ONE DISTRICT, UH, I SUPPOSE THAT THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY USE THERE. UH, MAYBE IT WAS CR BEFORE IT BECAME C UH, MU ONE. AND FURTHER SOUTHWEST OF THAT MU ONE DISTRICT IS MORE CR WHICH IS ALSO EXTENDED, UH, ON THE FRONT HALF OF THIS PROPERTY OF THE SUBJECT SITE. UM, TO THE NORTHWEST WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY, UM, WITH THE D ONE OVERLAY. UM, AND I BELIEVE IT'S R SEVEN FIVE ACROSS THE STREET ON BELTLINE. UM, THIS IS ALL IN THE DOCKET. UM, BUT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO SIGNIFICANT DEVIATIONS FROM THE BASE ZONING PROPOSED, UM, THEY, THEY DO HAVE SOME PROVISIONS IN THE PD THAT ARE THINGS LIKE, UM, UH, LIMITING THE HOURS OF OPERATION. UM, I THINK IT HAD SOME OTHER THINGS IN THERE, BUT THEY'RE EASILY COPYABLE INTO A SUP. SO THE RESTRICTIONS DON'T REALLY DIFFER MUCH BETWEEN THE PD AND, AND THE SUP, UM, FOR THE MINI WAREHOUSE USE. UM, AND SO, UH, THERE WE GO. THERE'S ALL THE BACKGROUND ON HOW DO YOU WENT OVER. UM, YES. SO, UM, SO THE CURRENT PROPOSAL, UH, THE ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL, UM, IS CONSIDERATION OF THE MU ONE DISTRICT WITH AN SUP FOR MINI WAREHOUSE, UM, WHICH INCLUDES THE SAME CONDITIONS THAT WERE PROPOSED FOR THE MINI WAREHOUSE USE IN THE PD. UM, BUT THE TI BUT THE TERM LIMIT OF THE PD IS PROPOSED TO BE 20 YEARS THAT HE SAID HIS CLIENT, UH, WAS, WAS OKAY WITH. UM, SO JUST PHOTOS OF THE SITE, IT'S HEAVILY WOODED. UM, THERE'S A GAS STATION HERE, SOME SURROUNDING USES. I THINK THIS IS LOOKING ACROSS THE STREET AT THE, UM, UM, I THINK THAT'S THE ZONING SIGN IN THE, ON THE TREE. AND AGAIN, WE HAVE SOME WOODED AREAS. UM, THIS IS, I'M ACTUALLY THE THIRD PERSON TO WORK ON THIS. UH, SO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS COMPARISON IS HERE. I NOTICED, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS IN THIS DOCKET OR [01:20:01] MAYBE IT WAS A PREVIOUS, BUT THE CHART HAD A LITTLE, UM, INACCURACY ON THE PROPOSED PD THAT I'VE SHOWN CORRECTED HERE. UM, AND THESE ARE THE ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS PROPOSED IN THE PD. I CAN GO OVER 'EM IF WE WANT TO, BUT THEY MIRROR WHAT'S IN THE PROPOSED SUP AND THIS IS, UM, I KIND OF HAD IT, IT'S ON A 45 DEGREE ANGLE, SO I KIND OF HAD TO ROTATE IT AND ZOOM IN. BUT, UM, IF YOU'LL SEE THE MINI WAREHOUSES ARE THESE BUILDINGS BACK HERE, THIS LONG BUILDING, THIS BUILDING, THIS BUILDING AND EVERYTHING BEHIND IT? UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY IS IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT, WHICH I CAN'T HERE. I HAVE TO MOVE A WINDOW. SO THE, THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL, UH, USES ARE DOWN HERE IN THE BOTTOM CORNER, UH, ON ORIENTING THIS PLAN. UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING, UH, THEY HAVE AN OPEN SPACE HERE, UM, AT RETAIL USE HERE AND A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT HERE. BUT I WOULD SAY THIS MIGHT BE MORE CONCEPTUAL. UM, BUT THE SEP SITE PLAN WOULD, UM, BECAUSE IT'S FOR A MINI WAREHOUSE USE, IT WOULD REQUIRE THAT THE MINI WAREHOUSE, UH, CONFORM TO THIS CONFIGURATION. AND IF IT WAS AN SEP, IF IT WAS A PD, EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE TO CONFORM TO THIS PLAN. LET'S SEE, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, IS APPROVAL OF, UM, MU ONE DISTRICT AND, UH, APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A 20 YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS IN LIEU OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR CERTAIN, UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL USES. AND THAT'S IT. QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, CARPENTER, PLEASE. OUCH. MS. MAY, IF, IF THIS WERE A PD, THEY, UH, THE, UH, APPLICANT DEVELOPER WOULD BE LIMITED TO DEVELOPING PRECISELY WHAT'S ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. 'CAUSE IT'D BE A MORE COMMERCIAL USE UP AT THE STREET FRONTAGE AND IT WOULD BE A RELATIVELY INACTIVE USE THE MEDIUM STORAGE WAREHOUSE AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY NEAR THE, NEAR THE RESIDENCE. RIGHT. OKAY. NOW, BUT WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, STRAIGHT REZONING CHANGE TO MU ONE, UH, YES. IF THEY CHOSE TO DO A MINI WAREHOUSE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW THE SEP SITE PLAN, BUT WITH THE STRAIGHT REZONING CHANGE, THEY COULD CHOOSE TO DEVELOP ANY USE THAT'S ALLOWED BY RIDE IN U ONE, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO THAT WITH THE, WITH THE MU ONE, UH, WITH THE SUP, UH, THE NEIGHBORS WERE RUNNING THE REST THAT THEY COULD HAVE A COMMERCIAL USE. I MEAN A CAR WASH, A A RESTAURANT, UM, A GAS STATION COULD THEN BE ACROSS THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, EVEN BACK NEAR THEIR, THEIR HOMES. RIGHT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. MM-HMM . COMMISSIONER HALL. HI MS. MAY, UM, UH, YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD MET WITH MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS AND THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE OF IT. UH, ARE YOU AWARE THAT WE RECEIVED, UH, EMAIL THIS MORNING FROM PRESIDENT OF ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCI KLEBERG HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, UH, IN OPPOSITION TO THIS FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, INCOMPATIBLE LAND USE, TRAFFIC AND SAFETY, NEGATIVE S UH, LIQUOR OVERLAY CONCERNS? UH, I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT SO YEAH. BUT WOULD ANY OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED CHANGE, UH, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS CASE? NO, I THINK, UM, A MINI WAREHOUSE IS TYPICALLY A PRETTY LOW TRAFFIC USE. UM, AND THE FRONT IS ALREADY ZONED CR SO IT'S NOT A BIG CHANGE. IT ACTUALLY, MU ONE HAS A LOT, UM, LESS USES THAT ARE ALLOWED THAN CR ALLOWS. SO I THINK IT DOES ON THE RETAIL SIDE OF THINGS, KIND OF REDUCE THE POTENTIAL FOR A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE HEAVY TRAFFIC USES THAT THAN CR ALLOWS. UM, AND YOU KNOW, THERE IS RESIDENTIAL BUFFERS THAT'S REQUIRED. THERE'S RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE, UM, SCREENING REQUIREMENTS, UM, RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY REVIEWS FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE LAND USES THAT ARE ALLOWED BY MU ONE OR CR OR CS OR ANY OF THESE OTHER THINGS THEY HAVE RES. SO I DO THINK IT IS COMPATIBLE AND IT WOULDN'T BE A, A BIG CHANGE IN POTENTIAL TRAFFIC GENERATION FROM THE CR THAT'S ALREADY ALLOWED IN THE FRONT TO A ME ONE [01:25:01] DISTRICT. UH, IN, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, DOES A MINI WAREHOUSE BEHIND RETAIL AND, AND OTHER THINGS, DO YOU TYPICALLY GET BIG TRUCKS COMING IN THERE OR IS IT MORE PEOPLE IN THEIR CARS BRINGING, YOU KNOW, STORING THEIR STUFF? ? I, I'VE NEVER, UM, HAD A WHOLE LOT OF EXPERIENCE PERSONALLY WITHIN MINI WAREHOUSE, SO I'M NOT, I I CAN'T REALLY FORM A ESTIMATE, BUT, UM, MAYBE THE APPLICANT COULD, COULD GIVE SOME MORE LIGHT ON BIG TRUCKS COMING TO MANY WAREHOUSES, BUT I'M SURE YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE PULLING UP THEIR OWN U-HAUL STUFF TO UNLOAD THEIR PERSONAL BELONGINGS INTO A, A STORAGE UNIT. BUT I DON'T THINK THEY DO THAT DAILY. I MEAN, EACH UNIT DOES NOT DO THAT DAILY. , THANK YOU. YES. COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY. SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THIS ZONING CHANGE BECAUSE THEY WOULD, UH, A CR OR A CS, WHICH IS THE CURRENT ZONING, DOES NOT ALLOW A WAREHOUSE OR THE PART OF THE, THE PROPERTY THAT WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT THE WAREHOUSE IS, IS RIGHT NOW ZONED FOR R SEVEN FIVE. I, I JUST WANT YOU TO EXPLAIN FOR ME WHY THEY'RE WANTING THE ZONING CHANGE. YES, YOU ARE, RIGHT. IT'S, IT'S PRIMARILY THAT SECOND PART. JUST IT'S THE ONE, HOLD ON, I'M TRYING TO GO HOME. OH, I AM NO WONDER. UM, OH, SO IF WE SEE RIGHT HERE THIS SQUARE, LET ME DO THIS WINDOW. SO THIS LITTLE SQUARE RIGHT HERE IS THE ONLY RESIDENTIAL ZONING, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S PREVENTING THEM FROM, UM, DEVELOPING THE MINI WAREHOUSE. YOU KNOW, IF THEY DID IT RIGHT HERE, THEY COULD DO IT WITH AN SUP, BUT IF THEY WANTED TO TUCK THE, THE MINI WAREHOUSE HERE IN THE BACK, THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE TO COME IN FOR A ZONING CHANGE QUESTION. AND THAT IS, UH, IS IS THE ONLY ACCESS TO THIS PROPERTY FROM, UH, BELTLINE ROAD? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. THE ONLY STREET ACCESS, UNLESS SOME ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO GRANT ACCESS. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, PLEASE. UH, YES, MS. MAY I ONLY HAVE A, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU. OKAY. UH, LOOKING AT THE CASE PLAN ITSELF, IT APPEARS THAT YOU EVALUATED, UH, THE LAND USE, UH, WITH FORT DALLAS WAS 1.0. YES. DID YOU GIVE ANY CONSIDERATION TO DALLAS 2.0? UM, I, I BELIEVE THE POLICY OF OUR DEPARTMENT IS THAT ONCE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CASES THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY STARTING WITH 2, 4, 5, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WERE, UH, SUBMITTED ONCE WE HAD FORWARD DALLAS, UM, IN PLACE, FOUR FORWARD DALLAS 2.0 IN PLACE. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA RETROACTIVELY APPLY FORWARD DALLAS 2.0 ON CASES THAT WERE SUBMITTED UNDER FOUR, SORRY, FORWARD DALLAS 1.0. THERE WE GO. UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT FOR DALLAS, 1.0 WAS PASSED IN 2006. THAT SOUNDS RIGHT. AND THIS APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED IN JULY OF 2024, JUST A COUPLE MONTHS BEFORE, UH, IT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. UH, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT, UH, FOR FORT DALLAS 2.0 THAT OCCURRED IN 2024 AND THE PROPOSED LAND USES WOULD BE MORE RELEVANT OR MORE PRUDENT TODAY THAN FORT DALLAS BACK IN 2006? I DON'T BELIEVE THEY PRESCRIBED LAND USES EITHER ONE OF 'EM. UM, BUT I DID NOT TAKE A CLOSE LOOK OF THE PLACE TYPES IN 2.0 ON, ON THIS SITE FOR THIS CASE. UH, MY SECOND QUESTION, COMMENTARY FIRST, BUT IT'S LEADING TO A QUESTION. UH, THIS PART OF CLAYBROOK RALLY IS REALLY SUBJECTED TO, TO FLOODING THE TOPOGRAPHY. THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE OUT THERE LEADS TO WHEN, UH, NEW DEVELOPMENTS ARE BEING BUILT. IT CAN CAUSE DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS ON EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS WHERE RESIDENTS HAVE TO SELF MITIGATE NO FLOODING ISSUES. MM-HMM . SO FOR, IN YOUR CONSIDERATION TO APPROVING THIS, DID YOU, UH, CONSIDER ANY FLOODING ISSUES OR DID YOU REACH OUT TO STORM MANAGEMENT OPERATIONS OR FLOOD [01:30:01] MANAGEMENT WITHIN THE CITY FOR THEIR CONSULTATION OR APPROVAL? UM, THAT'S NOT GENERALLY A LAND USE, UM, CONSIDERATION, BUT JUST GENERALLY DEVELOPMENT MUST COMPLY WITH, UH, MUST HAVE APPROVED ENGINEERING PLANS AND THEY DO CONSIDER STORM WATER DRAINAGE AND RUNOFF AND THEY WILL HAVE TO IMPROVE IT TO MEET THOSE ENGINEERING AND STORM WATER AND FLOOD UH, REQUIREMENTS. THANK YOU, MS. MAY, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU SIR. COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, LET'S GO BACK TO CASE NUMBER FIVE, THAT THE RECORD REFLECT THAT MR. RUBIN HAS A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM AND IS STEPPING OUT OF THE CHAMBER. I, ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS KZ 2 3 4 2 60. THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER EIGHT 15. IT IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH LINE OF NORTHWEST HIGHWAY BETWEEN INWOOD ROAD AND MEADOWBROOK DRIVE. THIS IS A LOCATION MAP, THE AERIAL MAP AND THEN ZONING MAP. UM, SURROUNDING USES OUR SINGLE FAMILY TOWARDS THE SOUTH. UH, THERE IS A CHURCH IN A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SCHOOL BACKGROUND. UM, ON DECEMBER OF TWO OF 2009, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE PD NUMBER EIGHT 15. THE PURPOSE OF THE DISTRICT WAS TO PERMIT A PRIVATE SCHOOL AND CHILDCARE FACILITY BY RIGHT AS WELL AS PROVIDE FOR SPECIFIC MONUMENT SIGNAGE ALONG THE SITE STREET FRONTAGE. THE REQUEST IS DEVELOPED IN APPROXIMATELY 87,240 SQUARE FOOT. UH, IT'S A ONE TO TWO, UH, ONE, UH, TWO TO THREE STORY CHURCH BUILDING, ERECT ERECTED BETWEEN 1960 AND 2009 PER DCA RECORDS, APPROXIMATELY 12,800 SQUARE FOOT OF THE CHURCH IS BEING UTILIZED BY THE PRIVATE SCHOOL AND CHILDCARE FACILITY. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT BY 15 STUDENTS, ALLOWING, UH, SEVENTH AND EIGHTH GRADES AND INCREASING THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF ALLOWED CLASSROOMS FOR SIXTH THROUGH EIGHTH GRADE LEVELS BY ONE ADDITIONAL CLASSROOM. UH, THESE ARE SOME OF THE SIDE PHOTOS ON SIDE LOOKING SOUTHEAST, LOOKING EAST, LOOKING EAST AGAIN NOW LOOKING WEST, LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING SOUTHEAST, LOOKING SOUTHWEST. AND THEN SURROUNDING USES ON INWOOD ROAD LOOKING SOUTH AND THEN ON SIDE LOOKING NORTH AND THEN ON WEST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY LOOKING SOUTHEAST. AND THEN THIS IS THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO THE ONLY THING THAT THEY'RE, UM, UPDATING IS, UH, [01:35:01] FROM THE GRADE, UH, SIX ON THE DATA TABLE FROM TWO CLASSROOM MAXIMUM TO NOW, UM, THE PROPOSED, WHICH IS NOW THREE CLASSROOM MAXIMUM. AND THEN THE EXISTING TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND THEN THE PROPOSED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN. AND THEN THE AMENDMENTS, AS I MENTIONED. UM, IT'S GOING FROM TO KINDERGARTEN THROUGH SIXTH GRADE TO NOW, UM, EIGHTH GRADE AND THEN THROUGH EIGHTH GRADE. UM, INSTEAD OF UH, TWO CLASSROOM, NOW THEY'RE PROPOSING THREE CLASSROOMS. AND THEN THE ENROLLMENT, UM, IS GOING FROM 250 TO 265 STUDENTS. AND THEN, UM, THEY HAVE UPDATED THE WORDING FOR THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN SECTION. AND THEN STATUS RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AMENDED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND AMENDED CONDITIONS. THANK YOU MS. GARZA. QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER HALL. THANK YOU MS. GARZA. UM, THIS IS, MY QUESTIONS ARE REALLY JUST TO PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND TO THIS CASE. UH, IT COULD HAVE STAYED ON CONSENT EXCEPT WE DISCOVERED AFTER THE, YOUR BRIEF WAS ISSUED THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE ONE MORE CORRECTION TO THE PD. UM, THIS WAS, UH, ORIGINALLY FILED IN 2023, BUT IT'S JUST NOW COMING BEFORE US BECAUSE, AM I CORRECT THAT THE CITY REQUIRED THEM TO DO A, A NEW, UH, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN? YES. OKAY. AND EXCUSE ME, NEVER EAT A COOKIE BEFORE YOU START SPEAKING . UH, AM I CORRECT THAT THIS REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL CLASSROOMS DOES NOT RESULT IN ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION? THEY'RE JUST GOING TO UTILIZE EXISTING SPACE? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. AND THE NEW TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, UM, REVEALED THAT THERE'S AMPLE SPACE FOR THE QUEUE TO BE ON CAMPUS AND NOT ON, UH, INWOOD ROAD OR NORTHWEST HIGHWAY? THAT I'M NOT AWARE, UM, UH, MR. NAVAREZ IS THE, THAT REVIEWED? YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, AND JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF, I AFFIRM THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMISSION, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY HEARING, UH, UH, MEETING ON THIS CASE, UM, IN 2023 THAT WAS VERY POORLY ATTENDED. AND THEN, UH, THERE WAS THE OFFER OF ANOTHER COMMUNITY MEETING, UH, WITH THE, UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION THAT'S COMPLETELY SURROUNDS THIS. AND THEY SAID THEY HAD NO ISSUE. THEY, THEY SAID IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO HAVE A MEETING. SO, UM, I SEE MR. NAVAREZ IS ONLINE. OH, IT, IT, OKAY. I CAN'T SEE. OH, THERE, HI MR. NEVAR. I JUST WANTED TO, UH, CONFIRM THAT THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT, NEW TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN REVEALED THAT THERE WAS AMPLE SPACE, UH, TO CUE ALL OF THE PARENTS, UH, FOR THE DIFFERENT CLASSES ON CAMPUS AND NOT ON ANY OF THE STREETS SURROUNDING STREETS. YES, SIR. I, I CONFIRM THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. IF I MAY CLARIFY, THERE IS NO NEW TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN. MM-HMM . THERE WAS AN UPDATE, UM, AS REQUIRED BY THE PD THAT THE A THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED WITH THE APPLICATION. UH, BUT, BUT THE STATEMENT REMAINS CORRECT AND THAT THE UPDATE FINDS THAT THE OPERATIONS HAVE BEEN, UM, WE, THERE HAVE BEEN NO ISSUES WITH THE OPERATIONS ON SITE AND THAT TRAFFIC IS MAINTAINED WITHIN THEIR PROPERTY. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND ONE FINAL QUESTION, MS. YOU MUST HAVE TAKEN THOSE PICTURES OF NORTHWEST HIGHWAY EARLY SUNDAY MORNING , BECAUSE THERE WERE NO CARS, AND THAT'S A RARE OCCURRENCE. , THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, CAN I GET A CLARIFICATION? IS THIS STAYING ON CONSENT? NO. OH, WE, UH, WE NEED, WE DISCOVERED AFTER, UH, THE, UH, STAFF'S REPORT CAME OUT THAT WE NEEDED TO MAKE ONE MORE CORRECTION TO THE PD A MINOR CORRECTION. OKAY. SO IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT'S APPEARING ON OUR SCREEN, IS IT THE, IS IT WHAT IT, I MEAN IT LOOKS, UM, IT LOOKS IDENTICAL TO WHAT'S IN THE DOCKET. SO DOES THAT NEED TO BE MODIFIED SOMEHOW? NO, WE, WE ARE OKAY WITH THE MODIFICATION. OKAY. WELL, IF, IF I, I'M ADVISED BY COUNSEL THAT WHEN I MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, I CAN JUST OKAY. SAY WITH THE STIPULATION THAT WE CORRECT A CERTAIN SECTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU BOTH. AND, UH, THIS CASE ORDER [01:40:01] NEED TO COME OFF CONSENT ANYWAY 'CAUSE VICE TROOPER HAS A CONFLICT. UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? OKAY. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT MR. TRUMAN CAN COME BACK INTO THE CHAMBER. IN FACT, HE HAS, I THINK, DOES THAT FINISH US UP? COMMISSIONERS? DID WE MISS ANY YOU WANNA SIGNED? DO WE, DOES ANYONE WANT SIGNS BRIEFED? LET'S SEE. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SIGNS? OKAY, NO QUESTIONS ON DEVELOPMENT PLANS OR ANYTHING? WE ALREADY WENT THROUGH THOSE. OH, YOU WENT THROUGH. WE DID. YEP. THAT'S HOW WE STARTED OFF WITH THAT. AND I THINK THAT THAT IS IT. COMMISSION 11:07 AM THAT CONCLUDES THE BRIEFING OF THIS AT DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. HAVE A GREAT BREAK. WE'LL SEE YOU BACK, UH, AFTER LUNCH AT 1230. WE ARE RECORDING. [CALL TO ORDER] UH, WE START OFF WITH THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER SCHOCK. PRESENT, DISTRICT TWO. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. DISTRICT THREE. COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YEAH, HE'S ONLINE. DISTRICT FOUR. COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, DISTRICT FIVE CHAIR. SHOULD DID PRESENT DISTRICT SIX. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. DISTRICT SEVEN. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, REAGAN. HERE. DISTRICT EIGHT. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN PRESENT. DISTRICT NINE. COMMISSIONER SLEEPER. DISTRICT 10. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. PRESENT? DISTRICT 11. COMMISSIONER NIGHTINGALE. DISTRICT 12. COMMISSIONER HAWK PRESENT. DISTRICT 13. COMMISSIONER HALL HERE. DISTRICT 14, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND PLACE 15 VICE CHAIR RUBEN, I'M HERE. YOU HAVE QUORUM, SIR? WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. TODAY IS THURSDAY, APRIL 10TH, 2020 5, 12 30 9:00 PM AND WELCOME TO THE HEARING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. UH, A COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED. UH, LIKE ALWAYS OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES, UH, EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK PER OUR RULES. UH, IN CASES WHERE THERE ARE OPPOSITION, THE APPLICANT WILL GET A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL. UH, WE DO HAVE ALSO WITHIN OUR RULES THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THE TIME, UH, PER ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT WE'LL DO THAT TODAY. UH, THIS IS A HYBRID MEETING. WE DO HAVE SOME REGISTERED SPEAKERS ONLINE AND, UH, I WILL ASK ALL OUR FOLKS ONLINE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR VIDEO CAMERA IS WORKING. STATE LAW REQUIRES US TO SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU. UH, WE'LL ASK ALL SPEAKERS TO BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. AND WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA JUMP RIGHT INTO THE AGENDA. IF YOU NEED A COPY OF THE AGENDA, WE HAVE 'EM HERE AT THE TABLE, UH, BOTTOM TO YOUR RIGHT. AND ALSO THERE WE HAVE THESE LITTLE SHEETS HERE THAT, UH, AT SOME POINT TODAY WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF YOU COME DOWN AND FILL ONE OF THESE OUT. SO WE HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR VISIT WITH US HERE TODAY, AND YOU CAN JUST LEAVE IT THERE ON THAT TABLE. UM, WITH THAT WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND [2. 25-1200A An application for new development and landscape plans on property zoned Subarea B within Planned Development District No. 811 on the south line of Dallas Fort Worth Turnpike (IH-30), west of West Colorado Boulevard. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: John Dickey - Corinth Properties Representative: Jim Riley - Brocket/Davis/Drake, Inc. Planner: Sheila Alcantara Segovia Council District: 1 D245-002(SAS/JA)] GET STARTED RIGHT INTO, UH, OUR SUBDIVISION, EXCUSE ME, OUR MISCELLANEOUS ITEM DEVELOPMENT PLANS. LET'S GET THOSE RIGHT IN PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. ITEM NUMBER TWO, CASE D 2 45 DASH 0 0 2. AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT AND LANDSCAPE PLANS ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA B WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 8 1 1 ON SOUTH LINE OF DALLAS FOR W TURNPIKE WEST OF COLORADO BOULEVARD. STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL ITEM NUMBER THREE, [3. 25-1201A An application for new development and landscape plans on property zoned Subarea B within Planned Development District No. 811 on the south line of Dallas Fort Worth Turnpike (IH-30), west of West Colorado Boulevard. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: John Dickey - Corinth Properties Representative: Jim Riley - Brocket/Davis/Drake, Inc. Planner: Sheila Alcantara Segovia Council District: 1 D245-003(JA/SAS) 25-1201A] UH, CASE D 2 45 DASH 0 0 3. AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT IN NAGATE. PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA B WITH PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 8 1 1 ON SOUTH LINE OF DALLAS FORT WORTH TURNPIKE WEST OF COLORADO BOULEVARD. STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL ITEM NUMBER FOUR, [4. 25-1202A An application for new development and landscape plans on property zoned Subarea B within Planned Development District No. 811 on the south line of Dallas Fort Worth Turnpike (IH-30), west of West Colorado Boulevard. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: John Dickey - Corinth Properties Representative: Jim Riley - Brocket/Davis/Drake, Inc. Planner: Sheila Alcantara Segovia Council District: 1 D245-004(SAS/JA)] CASE D 2 45 DASH 0 0 4. AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT AND LANDSCAPE PLANS ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA B WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 8 1 1 ON SOUTH LINE OF DALLAS FART WORTH TURN TURNPIKE WEST OF COLORADO BOULEVARD. STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THOSE THREE CASES ARE GONNA BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION, UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE THREE CASES. IT'S [01:45:01] TWO, THREE, AND FOUR. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON ANY OF THOSE THREE CASES? COMMISSIONERS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THOSE THREE ITEMS? YES. COMMISSIONER HALL. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD WAS I NOTICED THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF PARKING AROUND THIS BUILDING. IT WAS, IS THAT DUE TO PARKING REQUIREMENTS OR IS THAT THE DEVELOPER'S GOAL OR, OR WHAT? YEAH, SO THEY, I DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW THE NUMBERS, BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE OVER THE REQUIRED, SO THEY PROVIDED MUCH MORE THAN WHAT WAS NEEDED. SO THERE'S SORT OF OVER PART WE WOULD CALL IT OVER PARKED. YEAH, OVER PARKED . OH, OH, OKAY. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . THANK YOU CHAIR. YES PLEASE. YEAH, JUST SOME SPECIFICS. I KNOW WE DIDN'T GET A LOT ON THIS CASE, BUT I KNOW THERE'S A MEDICAL FACILITY. IS THERE ANY A RESIDENTIAL PART TO THIS DEVELOPMENT? C CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER? YES. IS THERE A RESIDENTIAL PIECE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THIS SUB AREA? IT IS CONSIDERED NON-RESIDENTIAL, SO THERE IS NOT AT LEAST ADJACENT TO IT. UH, RESIDENTIAL. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER TURN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO. I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS AS READ INTO THE RECORDS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SHERLOCK FOR YOUR MOTION AND VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND ON ITEMS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. A. ANY YOU OPPOSED? AYE HAVE IT. THANK YOU. WE'RE NOW MOVED TO [Zoning Cases - Consent] OUR ZONING DOCKET CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS CONSISTING OF CASES FIVE THROUGH 13 AT THIS POINT, CASES 5, 10, 12, AND 13 HAVE COME OFF CONSENT AND WILL BE VOTED ON INDIVIDUALLY. THAT LEAVES CASES 6, 7, 8, 9, AND 11 THAT WILL BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE CASES. 6, 7, 8, 9 AND 11. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE CASES? OKAY, WE'LL READ THOSE IN THE RECORD PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER SIX IS AN APP IS KZ 2 3 4 2 67 AN APPLICATION FOR AN F-R-T-N-F RESIDENTIAL TRANSITION SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE AND NC NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE EAST CORNER OF CARLTON GARRETT STREET AND LEY STREET STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS KZ 2 4 5 1 1 1. AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PD NUMBER NINE 16 ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN 11, DISTRICT NUMBER NINE 16 TO MODIFY PARKING REQUIREMENTS, SIGN REGULATIONS AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. GENERALLY BOUNDED BY EAST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, SKILLMAN STREET, EAST LOVERS LANE IN GREENVILLE AVENUE CYBER COMMISSION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO REVIS AMENDED CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS KZ 2 4 5 1 3 5. AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE. PERMIT NUMBER 25 59 FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT LIMITED TO A PRIVATE CLUB BAR AND A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIGHT LIMITED TO A DANCE HALL AND PROPERTY ZONE C AS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT ON THE WEST LINE OF MCCREE ROAD NORTHEAST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY STATE. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS. ITEM NUMBER NINE IS KZ 2 45 1 33. AN APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2348 FOR A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT OUTSIDE USE ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA A WITH VILLE DISTRICT NUMBER 7 41 ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF OLYMPUS BOULEVARD EAST OF WHARF ROAD. STATE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS. ITEM NUMBER 11 IS KZ 2 45 1 46. AN APPLICATION FOR RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMITT NUMBER 2 0 0 7 FOR AN ATTACH PROJECTING NON-PREMISE DISTRICT ACTIVITY VIDEO BOARD SIGN ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN 11, DISTRICT NUMBER SIX 19 ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF NORTH GRIFFIN STREET AND ELM STREET RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED FOR A SIX YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS? THAT'S 6, 7, 8, 9, AND 11. [01:50:03] OKAY, SEEING NONE VICE S DO YOU HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF THE CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTING OF ITEM 6, 7, 8, 9 OF 11? I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW SLASH RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, UM, AS IN LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR AS BRIEFED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER SLEEPER FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYE THE AYES HAVE IT. WE'LL GO BACK TO CASE NUMBER FIVE. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT VICE CHAIR RUBIN HAS A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM AND IS, UH, STEPPING OUTTA THE CHAMBER. ITEM NUMBER [5. 25-1203A An application for an amendment to Planned Development District No. 815 on the north line of Northwest Highway, between Inwood Road and Meadowbrook Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to amended development plan, amended traffic management plan, and amended conditions. Applicant: Wesley Prep Representative: Steven Dimmitt, Platt Richmond PLLC Planner: Liliana Garza Council District: 13 Z234-260(LG)] FIVE IS KZ 2 3 4 2 60 AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN, DEVELOP DISTRICT NUMBER EIGHT 15 ON THE NORTH LINE OF NORTHWEST HIGHWAY BETWEEN INWARD ROAD AND MEADOWBROOK DRIVE. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AMENDED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND AMENDED CONDITIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THE APPLICANT HERE WITH I? YES SIR. YEAH, I THINK YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO RAISE THAT TABLE UP. THERE'S A LITTLE MAGIC BUTTON THERE ON THE RIGHT OR YOU CAN TAKE A SEAT TO RELIGHT. THAT'S GREAT. SHOULD BE SHORT AND SWEET. GOOD AFTERNOON, STEVEN DEME 1201 NORTH RIVERFRONT BOULEVARD, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 7 ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONER HALL, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION SIR? I DO. MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 2 6 0. I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM SUBJECT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE FOLLOWING, CORRECTION TO PD 815 SECTION 51 P DASH 815 1 18 SECTION C, CORRECT. THE FINAL SENTENCE TO READ THE REQUIRED NOTICE MUST BE SENT TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE INWOOD NORTHWEST HIGHWAY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR MOTION. I WILL SECOND IT. ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. THE RECORD DEFLECTED VICE RUBIN IS BACK IN THE CHAMBER AND WE'LL MOVE ON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL MOVE ON TO CASE [10. 25-1208A An application for the renewal of Specific Use Permit No. 1954 for commercial amusement (inside) limited to a Class A dance hall on property zoned a CR Community Retail District, at the northwest corner of Singleton Boulevard and Peoria Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a three-year period with eligibility for automatic renewals for additional three-year periods. Representative: David Flores Planner: Cherrel Caldwell Council District: 6 Z245-134(CC)] NUMBER 10. ITEM NUMBER 10 IS AN APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1954 FOR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE LIMITED TO A CLASS A DAN HALL ON PROPERTIES ZONED A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF SINGLETON BOULEVARD AND KIARA AVENUE. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL THREE YEAR PERIODS. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 10 Z 2 45 1 34. COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, VICE RUBIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, I DO. UM, IN MATTERS D 2 45 1 34 I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MAY 22ND. THANK YOU MR. RUBEN FOR YOUR MOTION. I WILL SECOND IT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. [12. 25-1210A An application for 1) a new subdistrict on property zoned Subdistrict B within Planned Development District No. 468, the Oak Cliff Gateway Special Purpose District; and 2) a Specific Use Permit for a boutique hotel on the west line of North Zang Boulevard, between West Canty Street and West Neely Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval of 1) a new subdistrict, subject to conditions, and 2) a Specific Use Permit for a four-year period, subject to a site plan and conditions. Applicant: 727 N Zang, LLC Representative: Audra Buckley, Permitted Development Planner: Connor Roberts Council District: 1 Z234-120(CR)] I'M NOW MOVED TO ITEM NUMBER 12, JUST LIKE 30 SECONDS. WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 12. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT UH, COMMISSIONER CHERLOCK HAS A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM AND IS STEPPING OUTTA THE CHAMBER. ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 12 IS AN APPLICATION FOR ONE, A NEW SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED SUB AREA B WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 4 68, THE OAK CLIFF GATEWAY SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT AND TWO, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A BOUTIQUE HOTEL ON THE WEST [01:55:01] LINE OF NORTH ZANG BOULEVARD BETWEEN WEST CANTY STREET AND WEST NEELY STREET. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF A NEW SUBDISTRICT SUBJECT TO TECHNICIANS AND A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A FOUR YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. JUST WAITING FOR THE PRESENTATION TO BE UPLOADED. YEAH, SO CAN Y'ALL SEE THE PRESENTATION NOW? WE CAN. THANK YOU. OKAY. AUDRA BUCKLEY. 1414 BELLEVUE STREET, SUITE 1 1 50, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5 HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE. THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY KNOWN AS BARDO LOFTS. IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO GO OVER THERE, UH, IT'S AT 7 27 NORTH ZANG. THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN USED AS A MULTI LEASE PROPERTY SINCE ITS CONSTRUCTION. UH, HISTORICALLY THIS HAS BEEN A DAILY, WEEKLY, MONTHLY, AND ANNUALLY, UH, TENANT RENTAL. UH, AS OF LATE IT HAS BEEN AS MUCH AS 65% OCCUPIED AS DAILY TO 14 DAY RENTAL. THE APPLICANT SAW A NEED FOR SHORT TERM STAYS HERE IN BISHOP ARTS RATHER THAN HAVING PEOPLE STAY DOWNTOWN WHERE HOTELS ARE PLENTIFUL AND BISHOP ARTS IS REALLY NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED AS A TOURIST PLACE AND THERE IS AN INSUFFICIENT SUPPLY OF OF HOTELS IN THIS AREA. SO THERE IS A NEED FOR THIS LAND USE. HERE YOU CAN SEE THE YELLOW STAR REPRESENTS WHERE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AND YOU'VE GOT A A 10 MINUTE WALK ALL THE WAY DOWN TO LOCKHARTS TO GET TO ACTUAL BISHOP HEARTS IS MORE LIKE FIVE, SIX MINUTES, BUT 10 MINUTES TO LOCKHARTS. SO THAT'S WHAT THE LITTLE DOTS ARE FOR, TO SHOW YOU THE PROXIMITY. THE CURRENT BUILDING CURRENTLY HAS 28 UNITS. THE SECOND BUILDING SHOWN AS PHASE TWO ON YOUR UH, SITE PLAN IS GONNA BE FOR AN ADDITIONAL 12 UNITS. AND HERE'S WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE NOW. UH, THIS IS FULLY PARKED ON PHASE ONE. THEY WERE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 23. THEY PROVIDED 24 AND THEY'RE PROPOSING 13 ON PHASE TWO. HERE IS A VIEW OF THAT. WE DO HAVE SOME COVERED PARKING IN THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT THROUGH THAT BREEZEWAY THERE BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS. THIS IS SEVEN 19 NORTH ZANG THAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED WITH THE 12 ADDITIONAL UNITS. AND RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS A BOUTIQUE HOTEL APARTMENT TYPE WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AND A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF GUEST ROOMS FOR BOTH PHASES IS 40. UH, WE'RE GONNA ALLOW KITCHENS IN THE ROOMS RIGHT NOW. THE DEFINITION REQUIRES FOOD TO BE PAIR TO BE PREPARED ON SITE, BUT NOT IN THE ROOMS. UH, EXTERNAL ENTRY FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE ROOMS WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT PERMITTED. RIGHT NOW THE DEFINITION REQUIRES 50% INTERNAL ENTRY, WHICH WE CANNOT DO A MINIMUM OF ONE TO TWO ROOMS, WHICH FOR THE TOTAL SITE, THE MINIMUM REQUIRED PARKING WOULD BE 20 SPACES. UH, WE DON'T REQUIRE OFF STREET LOADING HERE. AND WE ALSO UTILIZE PRIVATE TRASH COLLECTION. SO HERE IS THE BACKSIDE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THAT THE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S EXTERNAL ENTRY, IT IS PROTECTED BACK HERE IN THE BACK. HERE'S SOME INTERNAL SHOTS TO SHOW THAT THESE ARE FULL KITCHENS. THESE ARE FULL, THEY COULD BE APARTMENTS AS FAR AS OUR OPERATIONS, UH, FOR AFTER HOURS. THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT CAME UP FROM A COUPLE OF COMMISSIONERS THAT WE WOULD HAVE A QR CODE THAT WOULD BE SCANNABLE BY PEDESTRIANS WALKING UP AND DOWN THIS AREA, OR IF YOU HEARD OR SAW SOMETHING AND WHEN YOU SCAN THE QR CODE, IT WOULD TAKE YOU TO A WEBSITE THAT WOULD GIVE YOU A PHONE NUMBER WHERE YOU COULD HAVE A DIRECT UH, CONTACT. I HEARD THAT THAT'S YOUR THREE MINUTES. THAT'S MY THREE MINUTES. OKAY. PLEASE STAND BY. THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? OKAY, [02:00:01] WE'LL TAKE OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS ROB SHEARER. I LIVE AT EIGHT 30 WOODLAWN AVENUE. I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE KID SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND I'M HERE TO EXPRESS STRONG OPPOSITION TO COMMISSIONER SCHOCK PROPOSAL TO SPOT ZONE HIS APARTMENT BUILDINGS TO PERMIT SHORT-TERM RENTALS. UH, IN MY OPINION, THIS IS A CLEAR ATTEMPT TO CARVE OUT A LOOPHOLE, UH, ONE THAT WOULD SHIELD HIS PROPERTIES FROM ANY FUTURE RESTRICTIONS THAT THE CITY MAY ADOPT TO REGULATE STR A DECISION THIS BODY PUT IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL NOT LONG AGO. UH, IT'S NOT POLICYMAKING IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST, ITS POLICYMAKING FOR PERSONAL GAIN. IN ORDER TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST, THE COMMISSION WOULD ALSO NEED TO REDEFINE WHAT QUALIFIES AS A BOUTIQUE HOTEL BECAUSE THESE APARTMENTS DON'T FIT THE CURRENT MOLD. THAT'S NOT JUST BENDING THE RULES, IT'S REWRITING THEM TO SERVE ONE PERSON'S FINANCIAL INTEREST AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF KID SPRINGS AND IT'S CERTAINLY NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ADDRESSING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS FACING DALLAS. EVERY APARTMENT THAT BECOMES A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS ONE FEWER HOME FOR A DALLAS RESIDENT. WE NEED HOUSING FOR FAMILIES, NOT LOOPHOLES FOR INVESTORS. THERE ARE AREAS OF NORTH OAK CLIFF THAT ARE ALREADY ZONED TO ALLOW LODGING AS A USE, BUT KIDS SPRINGS IS NOT ONE OF THEM AND THAT WAS INTENTIONAL. WE ARE A PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND GIVEN OUR PROXIMITY TO THE BISHOP ARTS DISTRICT, WE'RE IN AN ONGOING FIGHT TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER, AFFORDABILITY AND INTEGRITY OF OUR COMMUNITY. THIS PROPOSAL UNDERMINES THAT EFFORT AND COMING FROM A SITTING CITY COUNCIL COMMISSIONER, UH, CITY PLAN COMMISSIONER, IT SETS A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT. ONE WHERE PERSONAL INTEREST OVERRIDE PUBLIC TRUST AND COMMUNITY PLANNING. I URGE YOU TO REJECT THIS PROPOSAL AND PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THIS KIND OF SELF-SERVING SPOT. ZONING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JAMES KIC. I LIVE AT 7 2 0 ELSBETH STREET, UH, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 8. UH, THAT BACKS UP TO COMMISSIONER SCHUCKS PROPERTIES, UM, BOTH THIS REQUESTED PROPERTY AND OTHER PROPERTIES HE OWNS. UM, I WANNA RESPECT ALL OF OUR TIME, SO I'M GONNA MAKE THREE POINTS. UH, THIS IS REPETITIVE AND PERSISTENT. SECOND, THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD WILL FIND LITTLE BENEFIT. AND THIRD, THIS IS FURTHERING ANTAGONISTIC RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN RESIDENTS, DEVELOPERS, AND CITY OFFICIALS. SO FIRST THE OAK OAK CLIFF GATEWAY COMMITTEE ADDRESSED THIS CORRIDOR, BUT THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME LIVING HERE. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR TWO YEARS. WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOME WITHIN MONTHS, A SIMILAR APPLICATION WAS HEADED TO COMMITTEE FOR RESIDENTIAL HOTEL STATUS, BUT WAS REMOVED FROM THE DOCKET SHORTLY BEFORE ITS SCHEDULED DATE. I'M NOT SURE WHY MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS WHOSE FAMILIES HAVE LIVED HERE OVER 70 YEARS FEEL THREATENED GIVEN THE DEVELOPER'S PAST POSITION THAT ALL OF OUR BLOCKS SHOULD BE ZONED IN THE WAY THAT HIS PROPERTIES ALONG ZANG ARE. THIS WAS HIS POSITION DURING THE PREVIOUS ZO REZONING THAT I MENTIONED. SECOND, THE APPLICANT MAKES THE ARGUMENT THAT THESE CHANGES WILL SUPPORT OUR AREA IN FORMING AN OAK CLIFF CULTURAL DISTRICT. UNFORTUNATELY, THESE CLAIMS HOLD LITTLE SUBSTANCE SINCE HIS PROPERTIES ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPOSED DISTRICT, NOR IS ANY OF THE REST OF KID SPRINGS. THIRD, WE'RE FIGHTING WHEN WE SHOULD BE WORKING TOGETHER. IT'S HARD NOT TO SEE THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR BUSINESS ON MY BLOCK AND AROUND MY HOME. IN FACT, WHEN I BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY, I DESCRIBED IT AS AN INVESTMENT HOUSE TO FRIENDS BECAUSE I SAW IT AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS A WAY TO BUILD VALUE, MEET MY CURRENT NEEDS WHILE POTENTIALLY LIVING OUTTA STATE. WHEN THE WORLD CUP COMES THROUGH NEXT YEAR, THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY THERE. I'M A CITY BOY. I'M FROM TORONTO. I GREW UP IN AROUND DALLAS, LIVED IN BROOKLYN AND SAN FRANCISCO. I'VE SEEN HEALTHY AND UNHEALTHY GROWTH IN CITIES. A CHUNK OF OUR BLOCK IS UNDEVELOPED AND RIPE FOR LUCRATIVE HEALTHY GROWTH. WHILE I DON'T BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS POOR INTENTIONS, I BELIEVE HIS JUDGMENT TODAY IS IT MIGHT BE CLOUDED BY DOLLAR SIGNS. IT'S PLAIN TO SEE MY NEIGHBORS ARE SCARED. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT HERE. THEY HAVE WORK TO DO. THEY DON'T WANNA PUT THEMSELVES OUT THERE AND THEY SHOULDN'T FEEL THAT WAY. SO WITH THE REASONS OF THESE REQUESTS BEING REPETITIVE, RESIDENTS GETTING LITTLE BENEFIT AND FOSTERING UNHEALTHY RELATIONSHIPS, I HOPE YOU JOIN ME IN OPPOSITION TODAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? [02:05:17] THANK YOU FOR FILLING OUT THE OTHER CARD. GOOD AFTERNOON. AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS LAURA PALMER. I LIVE AT NINE 11 NORTH MADISON AVENUE. UM, I STAND HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. AS MY NEIGHBOR POINTED OUT, WHEN WE HAD PUBLIC MEETINGS WITH REGARDS TO THIS CORRIDOR FOR THE OAK CLIFF GATEWAY, UM, REZONING, WE DID LOOK AT LODGING. IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS UP AND DOWN, WE MADE A CLEAR DISTINCTION LINE THAT BEING DAVIS, THOSE IF YOU GO SOUTH OF DAVIS LODGING WAS ENVISIONED IF YOU GO NORTH OF DAVIS. LODGING WAS NOT WITH ONE EXCEPTION. AND THAT EXCEPTION WAS A CHURCH IN THE 900 BLOCK THAT THERE WAS A PUSH TO PRESERVE THAT CHURCH. AND SO, UM, CONCESSIONS WERE MADE TO ALLOW THAT TO BECOME A BOUTIQUE HOTEL COMBINED WITH MULTIFAMILY. AND THAT WAS THE LODGING THAT WAS ENVISIONED FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I STAND HERE TO SAY OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STILL MAINTAINS LODGING IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE USE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I URGE YOU TO REJECT THIS, ESPECIALLY WHEN ALL OF THE DISCUSSION AT THIS COMMISSION HAS BEEN ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AS YOU NOTICE FROM THESE PICTURES, THESE ARE OUR APARTMENTS. THESE WERE BUILT TO HOUSE NEW NEIGHBORS, NOT TO HOUSE VISITORS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'RE NOT GONNA FALL. ALRIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON TO YOU. I'M PAM CONLEY AND I MOVED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT 9 0 1 NORTH MADISON IN 1977. SO I'VE BEEN THROUGH A LOT OF THE CHANGES THEY'VE COVERED FOR YOU. A LOT OF THE PERTINENT ASPECTS OF THIS. ALL I SENT YOU WAS A MAP. I'D LIKE FOR Y'ALL TO REFER TO IT IF YOU WOULD GOT 'EM. OKAY. IF YOU WILL FIND NORTH SAYING ON THERE AT DAVIS STREET, RIGHT THERE AT THE CORNER IS APARTMENTS AND THEY WERE BUILT ACCORDING TO THE PROPER ZONING. THEN THE NEXT THING YOU SEE THERE IS SUBDISTRICT. L WHAT'S THAT? THAT'S ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS SPOT ZONED DIFFERENTLY FROM THE REST. OKAY? THEN YOU GO ON UP AND YOU SEE WR THREE, WHOOPS, WR THREE ZIGZAGS INTO LSPA STREET. ISN'T THAT INTERESTING? THEN IT COMES BACK OUT TO SAYING, AND THAT ZONING FALLS ON DOWN AND INCLUDES THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. OKAY? THEN YOU GO ON DOWN AND IT ZIGZAGS BACK INTO ELSWORTH AGAIN, TAKING PART OF THAT IN. AND THEN WHEN YOU GET ON DOWN TO BETWEEN SIXTH AND FIFTH STREET, THAT'S FEBRUARY J, WHICH HAS OTHER ZONING ON IT. NOW, IF YOU CAN FIGURE THIS OUT, YOU'RE AHEAD OF MOST PEOPLE. IT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF ZONING DIFFERENCES, ALL IN A VERY SHARP AREA THERE. IT'S A MESS. AND YOU TRY GETTING ANYBODY TO ENFORCE ANYTHING ALONG THERE. THEY CAN'T READ WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. I NOTICED WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE USE OF THE BUILDING, THAT UNDER QUESTION. NOW YOU GAVE USE ALL KINDS OF USES. WELL, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE ZONING CALLS FOR. THAT'S NOT WHAT THE BUILDING PERMIT SAYS. BUILDING PERMIT SAYS APARTMENTS MULTIFAMILY. [02:10:02] SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IT HAS BEEN USED ALL THESE YEARS FOR PURPOSES THAT WERE NOT OFFICIAL, NOT APPROVED, AND THAT'S THE WAY THIS WORKS. NOW I'M GONNA SWITCH OVER TO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT NOW UNDER YOUR REASONS FOR JUSTIFYING THIS ON YOUR GOALS. GOAL 2.5, FOSTER A CITY OF GREAT NEIGHBORHOODS, PROMOTE STRONG AND DISTINCTIVE NEIGHBORHOODS TO ENHANCE DALLAS QUALITY OF LIFE. THIS IS NOT STRENGTHEN KIDS SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. YOUR TIME WITH THAT? DID I TALK TOO LONG? NO, JUST FINISH YOUR SENTENCE MS. COLLIN, PLEASE. OKAY. WELL THEN THE NEXT GOAL IS NOT A GOOD ONE E EITHER IT, IT DOESN'T MEET OUR GOALS. I'M ASKING YOU TO DENY AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, WE'LL GO BACK FOR THE REBUTTAL, MS. BUCKLEY. WELL, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT. THE APPLICANT WENT DOOR TO DOOR FOR DAYS TALKING TO INDIVIDUALS ABOUT THIS, AND THE FACT IS THIS ENTIRE AREA IS BECOMING, ESPECIALLY BISHOP ARTS IS BECOMING MORE OF A TOURIST ATTRACTION. IT HAS BEEN FEATURED IN NATIONAL NEWSPAPERS AND MAGAZINES. SO THIS IS A DESTINATION PLACE. AND TO SAY THAT NO ONE APPRECIATES THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, THERE ARE A LOT OF FAMILIES HERE WHO PUT THEIR RELATIVES UP WHEN THEY COME TO VISIT, THEY PICK 'EM UP FROM THE AIRPORT. IT'S, IT'S CONVENIENT TO HAVE THEM LOCALLY RATHER THAN ACROSS THE RIVER IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS. ALSO, THAT MAKES MORE DRIVING. AND THIS CASE, WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME HERE. IT'S A DESTINATION, IT'S A BOUTIQUE HOTEL. IT'S NOT A MARRIOTT BY THE FREEWAY WHERE IF YOU GET TIRED DRIVING, YOU PULL OVER AND YOU, YOU SLEEP, YOU GET UP, YOU LEAVE THE NEXT MORNING, YOU COME HERE, YOU STAY TWO OR THREE DAYS. AND THE IDEA IS TO VISIT AND WALK AND CHECK OUT THE, THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE DO HAVE SOME LONG-TERM TENANTS HERE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP. SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO THE PD SUBDISTRICT THAT WE HAVE. IT WOULD BE NUMBER SIX IN THAT SECTION B SIX, WHERE WE WOULD SAY THAT THESE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE DAILY, WEEKLY, OR MONTHLY. AND THAT WAY WE CAN KEEP OUR EXISTING RESIDENTS AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT DISPLACING THEM. THAT WILL ALSO GIVE THE OPERATOR AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE IF HE WANTS TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF LONG-TERM RENTERS, HE CAN DO THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR MS. BUCKLEY? MR. HALL, PLEASE, MS. BUCKLEY? UM, LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS HERE, JUST A SHORT DISTANCE AWAY. THERE ARE APARTMENT COMPLEXES AREN'T THERE TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH. OKAY. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BOUTIQUE HOTEL AND APARTMENTS? NORMALLY THE, THE DIFFERENCE IS THE LENGTH OF STAY AND YOU DON'T NORMALLY HAVE FULL KITCHENS IN THE UNITS EITHER. MM-HMM . SO, AND THEN THE, THE, THE ENTRY INTO THEM IS USUALLY FROM AN INTERNAL HALLWAY OR, YOU KNOW, YOU COME INSIDE AND TAKE AN ELEVATOR. THESE ARE ALL ACCESSED FROM BOTH. SO YOU'VE GOT SOME INTERNAL, MOST OF 'EM ARE EXTERNAL. OKAY. SO HOW LONG HAS THIS PROP, THIS BUILDING BEEN THERE? THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN HERE, LET'S SEE, I BELIEVE I HAVE THE CO FOR THAT DOWN HERE SINCE 2017. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT NEW. NO, IT'S NOT NEW. AND IT'S BEEN OPERATING WITH MULTI-TENANT LEASES THE ENTIRE TIME IT'S BEEN HERE. MM-HMM . IT'S JUST BEFORE YOU HAD SOME SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT WERE ALLOWED PRIOR TO THE PASSAGE OF THE STR ORDINANCE AND WHATNOT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ASKED TO WAIT AND SEE HOW THE COURT CASE CAME OUT, BUT AT LEAST THIS WAY WE CAN SOLIDIFY IT AND GIVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD A LITTLE MORE CONTROL WITH AN SUP BECAUSE IF THE COURT COMES BACK AND SAYS, OH, WE'RE GONNA THROW THIS OUT, YOU KNOW, KEEP GOING LIKE YOU'VE BEEN DOING WITH YOUR S STRS, THAT DOESN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE A BOUTIQUE HOTEL WITH A CO, WITH AN SUP THAT GIVES 'EM A LITTLE MORE TEETH AND SOMETHING THEY CAN, THEY CAN REALLY GET INTO TO MONITOR AND MAKE SURE THIS IS A GOOD FIT. CAN YOU, CAN YOU TELL ME ROUGHLY WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE RENTERS ARE LONG TERM VERSUS THERE ARE 14 OF THE 28 UNITS RIGHT NOW THAT LONG TERM, 50% OF THEM ARE LONG TERM. MM-HMM . YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . MS. BUCKLEY, QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. UH, AND YOU, YOU KIND OF [02:15:01] HIT ON A QUESTION I WAS GONNA ASK THAT, BUT YOU JUST BROUGHT IT UP SO I I MIGHT AS WELL ASK YOU. UH, SO YOU, YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME AND YOU KNOW THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE COME HERE, WE HAVE THESE APPLICATIONS AND SOMETIMES WE GET THEM FOR PDS, SOMETIMES WE HAVE A ZONING CHANGE TO DO SOMETHING QUOTE UNQUOTE BUY, RIGHT? MM-HMM . AND THEN SOMETIMES WE HAVE THINGS LIKE THIS ONE THAT IS UNDER AN SUP, CORRECT? RIGHT. AND YOU JUST, YOU JUST MENTIONED SOMETHING INTERESTING THERE THAT YOU SAID THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE A LITTLE MORE TEETH IN, IN GENERAL, WHY, HOW DOES THE SUP ADD A LITTLE MORE AS YOU STATED TEETH TO THIS SCENARIO HERE? WELL, IT GIVES THEM THE COMMUNITY AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, REALLY KIND OF MAINTAIN, YOU KNOW, VISION ON THE SITE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY VIOLATIONS. IT'S EASIER TO CALL 3 1 1 TO, TO REPORT THINGS WHEN YOU HAVE AN SUP. IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT IF IT GETS TO WHERE IT'S A DETRIMENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY CAN ASK SOMEBODY TO SIGN A THREE, THREE SIGNATURE MEMO TO HAVE IT RECONSIDERED EVEN. SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HERE THAT ALSO GOES KIND OF WITH THE OPERATOR IN A WAY, EVEN THOUGH IT RUNS WITH THE LAND. SO IF HE WERE TO SELL THIS LATER ON, UH, IT'S BY SUP SO IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S THERE IN PERPETUITY, WHICH WAS THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT THAT WE HEARD, UH, BOTH IN WRITING AND AT THE MEETING, WAS THEY DIDN'T WANNA ALLOW THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL HERE IN PERPETUITY BECAUSE THEY KNEW THE PROPERTY OWNER. HE HAD LIVED IN THE AIR FOR 25 YEARS AND IT WASN'T SO MUCH A REFERENDUM AGAINST HIM NECESSARILY, IT WAS JUST THE FACT THAT IT WAS A BOUTIQUE HOTEL ALLOWED IN PERPETUITY. SO THE SUP SOLVES THAT PROBLEM. SO IN, IN TERMS OF, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS TYPE OF USE IS THIS TYPE OF USE USUALLY SO ASSOCIATED WITH AN SUPI BELIEVE IN ONE OF THE PDS. I BELIEVE EVERYWHERE IT'S ALLOWED IN THERE, I THINK IT'S BY SUP. OKAY. I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING IT BY BY. RIGHT. BUT I COULD BE WRONG. OKAY. AND, UH, IN, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, UH, HAS THIS BODY TAKEN AWAY SUVS BEFORE? YES. YEAH. HAVE, HAS THIS BODY OPENED, UH, HEARINGS AND DID, LIKE YOU SAID, A THREE MEMBER MEMO TO TAKE AWAY AN SUP? YES. HAVE WE DONE IT FOR PROPERTIES, IN FACT THAT ARE, ARE EMPTY BUT HAVE AN SUP THAT MAYBE GOES OUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN, THAN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS HAPPY WITH AND THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WHO WAS GONNA BE THE NEW OPERATOR. AND I THINK YOU PROBABLY KNOW WHICH ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT. YES. IN THIS BODY, YOU LITERALLY OPENED A HEARING THAT TAKE AWAY THAT SUP MM-HMM . YES, THAT IS POSSIBLE. SO THE SUP IS A MECHANISM FOR, FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE KIND OF, AS YOU SAID BEFORE, LITTLE TEETH AND TO ENSURE THAT AN OPERATOR IS, IS BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR. CORRECT. BECAUSE, UH, WHEN THEY'RE NOT A GOOD NEIGHBOR IS WOULD, IS THIS AREA IN PARTICULAR ONE THAT IS NOT ENGAGED IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY AND OH, NO. THERE'S LOTS OF ENGAGEMENT IN THIS COMMUNITY. RIGHT. OKAY. RIGHT. OUR FOLKS IN OAK CLIFF ARE VERY ENGAGED. AND SO THERE, THERE IS A PROCESS, NO ONE AROUND THIS HORSESHOES SHY ABOUT THAT PROCESS? CORRECT. AND, AND HAS NOT BEEN SHY ABOUT PUSHING IT. IS THAT, IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? YES, IT IS. OKAY. UM, MR. RUBIN? YEAH, JUST, JUST A COUPLE OF FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS I WANNA MAKE SURE, UM, I UNDERSTAND. SO THIS WAS ORIGINALLY FILED AS A ZONING APPLICATION THAT WOULD'VE ALLOWED IT BY ESSENTIALLY BY BY RIGHT. IF THIS HAD PASSED IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM. IS THAT CORRECT? IN THE ORIGINAL FORM, NO, IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BY RIGHT? IT WAS WAS IT ALWAYS WAIT, WE WERE ASKING FOR IT BY RIGHT? YOU WERE YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. YOU WERE ASKING FOR IT BY RIGHT UNTIL WE HAD THE MEETING AND THEN THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT IT IN PERPETUITY, SO WE ADDED THE SUP. OKAY. AND THEN SOMETIMES WE HEAR, UH, CASES WHERE AN SUP COMES UP FOR RENEWAL AND SOMETHING THE APPLICANT'S ARGUED IS, I'VE INVESTED SO MUCH IN THIS PROPERTY TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, X, Y, OR Z, WHETHER IT'S A DRIVE-THROUGH OR A BATCH PLANT OR, YOU KNOW, A BAR OR SOMETHING. AND, AND THEY COME IN AND SAY, I'VE SUNK ALL THIS MONEY AND INVESTMENT INTO IT AND I CAN'T DO REALLY ANYTHING WITH THIS PROPERTY IF YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, RENEW THE SUP OR YOU'VE SEEN THOSE CASES, RIGHT? YES. IN THIS CASE, IF, IF THE SUP WEREN'T RENEWED WHEN IT WERE TO COME UP FOR RENEWAL, WOULD IT BE DIFFICULT TO SORT OF CONVERT THIS BACK TO TRADITIONAL SORT OF LONG-TERM RENTALS? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, MS. BUCKLEY, UH, YOU WERE PROPOSING A, A CHANGE TO ALLOW DAILY, WEEKLY, OR MONTHLY RENTALS. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. UM, BUT YOU SAY THAT YOU, UH, THERE ARE CURRENTLY 14 LONG, LONG-TERM RENTERS. ARE THOSE LONGER THAN MONTHLY BY ANY CHANCE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S REMAINING ON THE LEASE. WE COULD SAY ANNUALLY IF WE NEED TO, BUT, BUT MONTHLY WAS YOUR INTENTION IN THAT, THAT YOU WOULD OPERATE THAT WAY? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, CHANGING THE SUBJECT, UM, YOU, YOU, [02:20:01] DURING YOUR PRESENT, WE GOT THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU WERE GIVING TODAY LAST NIGHT. UM, THERE IS A PAGE ON OPERATIONS THAT YOU STARTED TO GO THROUGH BEFORE YOU, UM, RAN OUT OF TIME. CAN YOU RUN THROUGH THOSE AND CAN YOU CLARIFY THOSE FOR ME? ARE THOSE SUP CONDITIONS? THESE ARE NOT SUP CONDITIONS, THIS JUST THE, JUST HOW THE SITE HAS BEEN OPERATING. SO THE ONLY THING NEW HERE IS GONNA BE A QR CODE ON THE DOOR WITH A NUMBER SO THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IF THEY'RE WALKING BY HERE, SEES SOMETHING. THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY CHANGE THAT'S HERE, BUT THIS IS JUST HOW THEY OPERATE NOW. OKAY. BUT YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT ANY OF THIS, INCLUDING THE QR CODE, BE ADDED TO THE SUP CONDITIONS? NO. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, PLEASE. THE, UH, COULD YOU ADDRESS THE PARKING? MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU'RE REQUESTING, UH, WITH THIS SUP ONE HALF PARKING SPACE OR ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY TWO ROOMS, RIGHT? RIGHT. SO THERE IS, THERE'S 40 UNITS RIGHT NOW. WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S 28 UNITS RIGHT NOW THAT WERE REQUIRED 23 PARKING AND 24 PROVIDED. AND THEN THE OTHER 12 UNIT BUILDING, WE'RE PROPOSING 13. SO THE PARKING REDUCTION IS JUST THERE IN THE EVENT WE NEED SOMETHING FOR LANDSCAPE OR WHATEVER ELSE. SO OUR MINIMUM IS 20 FOR THE WHOLE SITE. SO WHAT IS THE PARKING? THE PARKING RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 24 ON SITE RIGHT NOW, PHASE TWO HAS NOT BEEN BUILT. PHASE TWO WE'LL HAVE 13. SO THE, THE PARKING THAT YOU HAVE TODAY DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR MULTIFAMILY? YES. YES. OKAY. AND, AND, AND THAT PARKING IS NOT GONNA BE ELIMINATED. NO. RIGHT. OKAY. NO. UM, THE, UH, OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS RELATING TO THESE UNITS WERE ORIGINALLY BUILT FOR MULTIFAMILY. UH, RIGHT. BUT THEY'VE BEEN USED AS SHORT TERM RENTALS. RIGHT. SO NOW IF, IF I THINK OF A TRADITIONAL MULTIFAMILY UNIT, I, I WOULD THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE A UNIT WITH A KITCHEN, A SEPARATE KITCHEN. DO THESE UNITS HAVE SEPARATE KITCHENS TODAY? ALL THE UNITS HAVE KITCHENS IN THEM. FULL KITCHENS. FULL KITCHENS? MM-HMM . OKAY. AND, UM, THE, THE FI THE FINAL QUESTION I, THAT I, THAT I WANTED TO ASK IS, UH, REGARDING THE PHASE TWO, UH, IN CONNOR'S PRESENTATION EARLIER TODAY, HE SHOWED THAT PROPERTY WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. IN YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU SHOWED IT AS A BLANK, A VACANT LOSS. IT'S VACANT. YES. IT'S A VACANT LOT. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT MONTH IT WAS DEMOED, BUT IT WAS DEMOED LAST YEAR. SO THE, THERE WAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THAT LOT. AN OLDER SINGLE FAMILY HOME? YES, IT WAS DEMOED. OKAY. OKAY. I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE, UH, SOME OF THE SPEAKERS, UH, AND AGAIN, TOO. OKAY. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. BUCKLEY COMMISSIONERS? ANY QUESTIONS FROM OUR FOLKS ONLINE? I, I THINK, I DON'T SEE ANY HANDS. YES. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, PLEASE. UM, CHAIR, IT'S NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION, IT'S A COMMENT. AND HAD I BEEN THERE IN PERSON, I WOULD'VE MADE THIS COMMENT IN THE, BUT I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT THE FIRST SPEAKER REPRESENTING , I FOUND THOSE COMMENTS HIGHLY INAPPROPRIATE. THEY, UH, SORRY, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, I'M, I'M SORRY. WE, WE CAN'T QUITE HEAR YOU, BUT YOU, THIS IS, UH, UH, AT THIS POINT, IT'S JUST A QUESTIONS FOR MS. BUCKLEY. I UNDERSTAND, BUT MAY I FINISH, PLEASE? I, WE, I'M SORRY, WE JUST COULDN'T HEAR YOU. THE, THE VOLUME WAS COMING IN AND OUT. OKAY. IS THIS BETTER? YES, SIR. OKAY. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THE FIRST SPEAKER REPRESENTING KIDS SPRINGS, I JUST FOUND THOSE APPROPRIATE, FOCUSED ON THE CHARACTER MOTIVES AND INTEGRITY OF APPLICANT, NOT THE CASE ITSELF. MR. CHAIR, I THINK, CAN I CALL A POINT OF ORDER WE'RE NOT IN, IN TIME FOR DISCUSSION OF THE CASE? YEAH, LET'S, LET'S JUST STICK TO THE LAND USE PLEASE. JUST, JUST THE, THE BUILDING ON THE SITE. A IRRELEVANT FOR ME. UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. WELL, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT I NEED TO STOP SPEAKING, SO I'LL STOP SPEAKING. DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. BUCKLEY? COMMISSIONER HOUSE? RIGHT. I DO NOT HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. BUCKLEY. THANK YOU. I CAN'T HEAR YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR MS. BUCKLEY, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER HAWK, [02:25:02] YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE X AMOUNT OF, UH, WOULD YOU GO OVER THE OCCUPANCY FOR ME AGAIN, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT. YES, CURRENTLY THERE ARE 14 LONG-TERM RENTERS THERE NOW, AND THE REST OF THE UNITS, THERE ARE 28 UNITS THERE. SO HALF OF THEM RIGHT NOW ARE LONG-TERM RENTAL. OKAY. SO, JUST SO THAT I UNDERSTAND THIS, FOR BOUTIQUE HOTEL, WHAT'S THE OCCUPANCY ALLOWANCE? THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL IS THE OTHER 14 RIGHT NOW WITH A PROPOSED 12 ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. RIGHT. BUT WHAT'S THE ALLOW, HOW MANY DAYS CAN SOMEONE STAY AT A BOUTIQUE HOTEL OR IS THERE A LIMIT? 14 DAYS. 14? MM-HMM. OKAY. OKAY. SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, I'M JUST CURIOUS, AND IF THIS QUESTION'S AN APPROPRIATE CHAIR, DO YOU PLEASE CORRECT ME, BUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THOSE LONG-TERM OCCUPANTS? IF THE CO WAS CHANGED TO BOUTIQUE HOTEL AND WE DID NOT MAKE AN ALLOWANCE FOR THE LONG-TERM RENTAL, THEY WOULD BE DISPLACED. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE. UM, IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE A, UH, SO CAN A BOUTIQUE HOTEL ALSO INCLUDE A LONGTIME, UM, UM, RENTER SO THAT THEY WON'T BE DISPLACED? IS THERE A, IS THERE A WORLD WHERE THAT THOSE COMBINED, ARE YOU ASKING IF THERE'S A WAY TO KEEP 'EM FROM BEING DISPLACED? DID I HEAR YOU RIGHT? YES. IS, IS THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT PART, IS IT, DO YOU ALL HAVE DESIGNATED, WILL YOU ALL HAVE DESIGNATED, UH, UM, UNITS THAT WOULD BE FOR THOSE LONG TERMS AND INCLUDE THAT IN IN, IN YOUR PLAN? DID YOU HEAR ALL THE QUESTION? I DIDN'T HEAR ALL THE QUESTION. UM, I'M GONNA TRY TO ANSWER WHAT I THINK I HEARD, UH, IS, WHICH, WHICH IS WHAT I WAS REFERENCING EARLIER, WHERE WE WOULD ALLOW THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL TO HAVE DAILY, WEEKLY, AND MONTHLY RENTAL. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES. SO THAT WOULD BE KINDA LIKE ONE OF THE IN REFERENCE, SOMETHING LIKE THE EXTENDED PHASE THAT OFFER THAT. AM I CORRECT? I CAN'T HEAR THE QUESTION, . AM I MUFFLED? LET, LET ME TAKE IT OFF THE BLUETOOTH. HOLD ON. LEMME TAKE IT OFF. MS. MS. BUCKLEY, CAN YOU MUTE YOUR MIC? THAT MAY HELP. UM, SO WOULD YOU, SO WELL, ESSENTIALLY, WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT STILL, THOSE LONG-TERM RENTERS WOULD, AND THOSE TH THOSE MONTHLY RENTERS, WOULD THEY BE CONSIDERED UP UNDER HOTEL UP OR UP UNDER JUST RESIDENTIAL? THEY WOULD JUST BE A LONG TERM RENTER. ONCE YOU STAY AT A HOTEL MORE THAN 30 DAYS, YOU BECOME WHAT THEY CALL A TENANT. AND THAT'S STATE LAW. YOU BECOME A TENANT AND YOU HAVE THE SAME PROTECTIONS AS IF YOU WERE, I CAN'T HEAR LIVING IN MULTIFAMILY. UH, COMMISSIONER HAWK. OH, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. YOU MENTIONED THAT BOUTIQUE HOTEL RENTALS, THERE'S A 14 DAY MAX AND WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED JUST BEFORE COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, WHEELERS QUESTION WAS PEOPLE CAN STAY UP FOR, THEY COULD STAY THERE FOR UP TO 30 DAYS. CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT POINT A LITTLE BIT? NO, CURRENTLY IT'S ONE TO 14, OR IT'S LONG TERM. WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS A DAILY, WEEKLY, OR MONTHLY. AND WHAT I WAS EXPLAINING TO COMMISSIONER WIER IS IF YOU ARE LIVING IN A HOTEL FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS, YOU'RE CONSIDERED A TENANT AND NOT A GUEST. SO YOU WOULD HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS A TENANT IN ANY OTHER MULTIFAMILY BUILDING, YOU WOULD HAVE TENANTS RIGHTS. SO IF THEY'RE THERE FOR A MONTH, TWO MONTHS, THREE MONTHS, A YEAR, THEY'RE CONSIDERED A TENANT. OKAY. I AM STILL A LITTLE MUDDY ON THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN BOUTIQUE HOTEL 14 DAYS AND THEN UP TO A MONTH. AND HOW COULD THIS STILL BE A BOUTIQUE HOTEL WITH A 14 DAY ALLOWANCE? BUT THEN THERE'S A LONG TERM ASPECT TO IT, AND MAYBE THAT'S A, AN ATTORNEY QUESTION, BUT I'M NOT UNDER, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THE PATH AND HOW THOSE TWO COME TOGETHER WITH THIS REQUEST. WELL, THERE'S NOT A STATE LAW RIGHT NOW THAT PROHIBITS YOU FROM LIVING IN A HOTEL. UM, AS A MATTER OF FACT, AS A MILITARY WIFE YEARS AGO, UH, WE WOULD GO TO A NEW BASE AND THE TEMPORARY LIVING FACILITY ON BASE WOULD BE BOOKED COMPLETELY. [02:30:01] AND THEN THE, WE DIDN'T WANT TO TRY TO GO AND GET AN APARTMENT, SO WE WOULD END UP LIVING IN A HOTEL FOR, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF MONTHS, SOMETIMES THREE MONTHS, DEPENDING ON THE AVAILABILITY OF THE HOUSING. SO THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN HOTELS. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, BUT IN THIS CASE, WE WANT TO HAVE IT TO WHERE THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL COVERS MULTI-TENANT LEASES. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOAL OF THIS, BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NOT A GOOD LAND USE THAT COVERS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I, I HAVE A CALL, UH, FOLLOW UP TO COMMISSIONER HAWK'S QUESTION. SO, UH, JUST TO OVERSIMPLIFY FOR MY SAKE, UH, IS, ISN'T THE GOAL HERE TO ADJUST THE LANGUAGE, UH, BECAUSE THERE ARE, IN FACT, OUR FOLKS THAT MIGHT WANT TO LIVE HERE, AND IN FACT THEY'RE PROBABLY ALREADY LIVING THERE, THAT WANT TO BE THERE FOR LONGER THAN 30 DAYS, AND IN FACT MAY WANT TO BE THERE FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS. CORRECT. AND THEREFORE, THE ADJUSTMENT IN THE LANGUAGE IS THAT IF THIS CASE WERE TO PASS THIS BODY AND THEN TO GET THROUGH COUNSEL, IF WE DON'T MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT, THEN THOSE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THE, SO THEREFORE THE ADJUSTMENT, THE FLEXIBILITY THERE IS IN, IS REALLY TO KIND OF ALLOW THOSE PEOPLE TO STAY WHERE THEY WANNA STAY CORRECT. IF THEY CHOOSE TO. CORRECT. THAT'S TRUE. AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY. THE, THE INTENT IS NOT TO APPLY A ONE MONTH CAP HERE? NO. IS THAT, IT'S, IT'S TO ALLOW FROM ONE DAY UP THROUGH LONG-TERM LEASES OF A YEAR PLUS? CORRECT. OKAY. I THINK THE WORD MONTHLY THROUGH ME, UH, A LITTLE BIT THERE, BUT I THINK I, I UNDERSTAND. WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT USING THE WORD CONSECUTIVE. SO , WE'RE JUST GONNA SAY DAILY, WEEKLY, MONTHLY, AND THAT WAY IT TAKES CARE OF THAT. OKAY. I WILL LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE. IF, IF I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER FORESITE. SO IF WE DON'T PASS THIS, UH, SUP AND THINGS REMAIN AS, AS THEY ARE TODAY WITH THE ZONING AND, AND THE CITY'S, UH, SDR ORDINANCE IS UPHELD IN COURT, THEN WHAT IS THE FUTURE FOR THIS PROPERTY IF THIS IS NOT PASSED? IF, IF WE DO NOT PASSED, IT'S JUST MULTIFAMILY. IF IT'S MULTIFAMILY, AND THEN IT HAS TO BE RENTED OUT ON A, ON A, ON A LONG-TERM BASIS. OKAY. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. SURE. THANK YOU. YES. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN? YES. JUST A REAL QUICK QUESTION. UM, SO FOR THE CURRENT RESIDENCE, THE CURRENT 14 WHO ARE LIVING THERE, I'M SURE THEY'RE IN DIFFERENT TERMS OF THEIR LEASES, UH, WITH THE AMENDED, I THINK YOU PROPOSED AN AMENDMENT EARLIER, UH, THAT WILL ALLOW NOT ONLY WEEKLY, MONTHLY, BUT ANNUALLY, UH, UH, WILL THE PROPERTY CONTINUE TO OFFER LEASES FOR A YEAR? YES. THANK YOU, MS. TRUMAN. UM, I CAUGHT MOST OF COMMISSIONER FORSYTH'S QUESTION, BUT I WAS DISCUSSING WITH THE, THE CITY ATTORNEY IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, GETTING SOME, UM, ADVICE THERE. SO I WANNA UNDERSTAND, I THINK HIS QUESTION IS WHAT HAPPENS IF COURTS UPHOLD OUR STR ORDINANCE? AND, AND YOUR ANSWER WAS IT WOULD GO BACK TO JUST MULTI-FAMILY. MM-HMM . LONG-TERM LEASES. LET'S JUST SAY THAT THE CITY DOESN'T WIN IN THE LITIGATION, AND WE DON'T HAVE A STR ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS ANYMORE. WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PROPERTY IN, IN THAT INSTANCE, ONCE THE CO IS CHANGED TO BOUTIQUE HOTEL, IT HAS TO FOLLOW BOUTIQUE HOTEL. IT WILL STILL HAVE THE SUP ATTACHED TO IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. BUCKLEY? COMMISSIONERS, IF I COULD FOLLOW UP THEN ON COMMISSIONER, OF COURSE YOU CAN. A QUESTION, PLEASE. THANK YOU. SO, BUT THE, UH, IF, IF THE, UM, UH, ORDINANCE IS NOT UPHELD IN COURT, THE SDR ORDINANCE IS NOT UPHELD IN COURT, UH, BASICALLY THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PROPERTY? YOU KNOW, DOES IT, UH, RIGHT NOW IT, IT'S A MULTIFAMILY, UH, PROPERTY AND, AND, AND IT'S OPERATING AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL. SO, OR AT LEAST HALF OF IT IS A SHORT TERM RENTAL. SO NOW , I WANNA UNDERSTAND THIS. IF, IF, IF OUR ORDINANCE IS UPHELD, THEN YOU, YOU'RE, YOU CANNOT CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL. RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO MULTIFAMILY. THAT, THAT'S CLEAR. MM-HMM . ALRIGHT. AND THEN IF THE ORDINANCE, UH, IS NOT UPHELD IN COURT, BUT WE DON'T APPROVE THIS AMENDMENT TODAY, RIGHT? THEN IT'S STATUS QUO, IT'LL KEEP [02:35:01] OPERATING LIKE IT'S OPERATING NOW, WHICH IS HALF OF IT IS A SHORT TERM RENTAL, WHICH IS IN CONTRADICTION TO WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAYS WAS THE, WAS THE GOAL FOR THAT, THAT AREA OF TOWN. RIGHT. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER HALL. OKAY. SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? I MEAN, HOTELS, RENT ROOMS DAILY, 2, 3, 4 DAYS. YOU COME INTO SPEND A WEEK ON A CONVENTION. IS THAT A SHORT-TERM RENTAL OR IS, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE IF IT GOES BACK TO BEING A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, BUT YOU COULD STILL RENT IT FOR MORE THAN A DAY. YOU COULD RENT IT FOR, YOU COULD LIVE THERE MONTHS IF YOU WANTED TO. MM-HMM . YEAH. YEAH. I JUST WONDER IF WE'RE GETTING BOGGED DOWN IN DEFINITIONS HERE. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO? OUR FOLKS IN OPPOSITION? THANK YOU. WE GOT OUR FOLKS IN OPPOSITION, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT. UH, ROB, YOU MADE A STATEMENT DURING YOUR, UH, REMARKS THAT WE'RE REWRITING THE RULES FOR WHAT OUR BOUTIQUE HOTEL IS THAT WHAT WE'RE, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE IS, UH, OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF WHAT IS IN THE RULES TODAY FOR A BOUTIQUE HOTEL. CORRECT. SO I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO EXPOUND ON THAT AND HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE REWRITING THE RULES FOR WHAT A BOUTIQUE HOTEL IS WITH IF WE PASS THIS TODAY. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOUR CURRENT RULES FOR A BOUTIQUE HOTEL, HALF OF THEM HAVE TO BE AN ENTER FROM INSIDE THE PROPERTY, NOT FROM AN EXTERIOR DOOR. UH, AND, AND THERE'S ALSO A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT CAN HAVE A FULL KITCHEN. AND SO WHAT THEY'RE, IN MY OPINION, WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO IS CALL A SHORT TERM RENTAL, A BOUTIQUE HOTEL, WHICH I THINK YOUR QUESTION ABOUT LANGUAGE IS INTERESTING, BUT I THINK THEY'RE DIFFERENT. I THINK THE INTENTION HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BOUTIQUE HOTEL IS A HOTEL. IT'S GOT STAFF. YOU COME IN, YOU RENT A ROOM FOR A NIGHT OR MAYBE A WEEK, BUT IT'S NOT A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS A LOOPHOLE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE WRESTLED WITH FOR MORE THAN A YEAR, AND YOU'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT. BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN EVERY SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS A BOUTIQUE HOTEL, IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT RULES THAT GOVERN WHAT A BOUTIQUE HOTEL IS. AND SO TO CALL THIS A BOUTIQUE HOTEL, THEY HAVE TO CHANGE THOSE RULES. SO YOU'RE CREATING A SITUATION WHERE EVERY APARTMENT OWNER IN THE CITY COULD SAY, OH, I DON'T OWN AN APARTMENT. I OWN A BOUTIQUE HOTEL. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT, THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU CAN VOTE ON. IT SEEMS LIKE A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT. MY OTHER QUESTION IS, UH, COULD YOU SHARE WITH US THE IMPACT THAT THE, YOU KNOW, WAY THE, UH, THE STRUCTURE HAS BEEN USED AS A NON-CONFORMING USE AND HAS BEEN USED AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL, THE WAY THAT HAS IMPACTED THE NEIGHBORHOOD OVER THESE MANY YEARS SINCE THAT SURE. UNIT HAS, UH, WAS OPENED. I MEAN, THE, THE PRIMARY IMPACT, AND I THINK THE IMPACT THAT I CARE THE MOST ABOUT IS IT, IT TAKES RENTAL UNITS OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO UNITS THAT COULD BE FILLED BY NEIGHBORS THAT PARTICIPATE IN NEIGHBORHOOD LIFE, COME TO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS, SEND THEIR KIDS TO NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS, UH, THOSE UNITS ARE GONE. AND SO IT'S, IT'S A SHORT TERM RENTAL. THERE HAVE BEEN ISSUES WITH PARTIES AND NOISE COMPLAINTS AT, AT MR. CHER'S PROPERTIES THAT, THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS DEALT WITH IN THE PAST. UM, AND I KNOW THE NEIGHBORS MOST CLOSELY TO THE PROPERTY HAVE REAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE IMPACT ON, ON THEM AND, AND THE FUTURE OF, OF THEIR, THEIR LOTS. HAVE THERE BEEN, UH, PROBLEMS WITH PARKING? UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE HAVE BEEN PROBLEMS WITH PARKING AT THE ZANG LOCATION. I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN ISSUES WITH PARKING AT BISHOP, BUT WE CAN SAVE THAT FOR THE BISHOP CONVERSATION. OKAY. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR LAURA TOO. LAURA, IF YOU DON'T MIND COMING BACK DOWN. LAURA, IN YOUR REMARKS, YOU STATED THAT LODGING WAS NOT AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR, FOR THIS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND PARTICULARLY YOU MENTIONED, UH, THAT AREA THAT WAS NORTH OF DAVIS. CORRECT. COULD YOU, COULD YOU EXPOUND ON THAT? WAS THAT LIKE, UH, IN A NEIGHBORHOOD CHARTER, UH, AN AREA PLAN? UH, WELL, THAT, THAT WAS, WAS THAT CODIFIED SOMEWHERE? SO, SO KSNA KIDSPRING, OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MADE UP OF NEIGHBORS. WE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR YEARS TO MAINTAIN, [02:40:01] AS MY SAID, MY, UM, ROB HAS SAID THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY, WE CONSTANTLY ARE FIGHTING ON OUR BORDERS, WHICH THIS IS ON THE BORDER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. BACK IN 2014, 2015, THEY, THERE WERE MULTIPLE MEETINGS, MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT NORTH ZANG SHOULD LOOK LIKE, AND SPECIFICALLY THE SECTION THAT RUNS ALONG OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND LIKE I SAID, WE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION AND THAT WAS DONE THROUGH A PUBLIC PROCESS THAT LODGING WAS NOT AN APPROPRIATE USE ALONG NORTH SAYING NORTH OF DAVIS. LIKE I SAID, ONLY ONE EXCEPTION WAS MADE. AND THAT WAS WITH REGARDS TO PRESERVING A LEGACY BUILDING THE CHURCH IN THE 900 BLOCK OF NORTH SAYING. SO WOULD, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY, IN YOUR OPINION, THAT THIS IS, THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN OPERATED AS A NON-CONFORMING USE? ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. IT HAS BEEN OPERATING SINCE IT WAS BUILT. AND I'M SORRY, 2017 IS NOT AN OLD BUILDING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN, MY HOUSE IS OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD. OKAY. SO IT'S ALL RELATIVE. BUT SINCE THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT, IT HAS BEEN USED AS BOTH LONG TERM AND SHORT TERM RENTALS. IT WAS BUILT INTO THE BUSINESS PLAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR FOLKS IN OPPOSITION? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. NVAS. IS HE ALL MINE? OH, THERE, IT'S IN PERSON. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR. YEAH, JUST HAVE JUST A VERY QUICK QUESTION ABOUT, UH, THE FAIR, THE FAIR FARE HERE. AND THE, THE DESIGNATION IS MINOR ARTERIAL IS MINOR ARTERIAL. MINOR ARTERIAL IS MINOR ARTERIAL. I, I, I PURPOSELY HAVE NEVER WATCHED THE ONE OF OUR HEARINGS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HEAR MYSELF. SO I APPRECIATE YOU MEETING THAT LITERALLY HAVE NEVER WATCHED ONE TIME. UH, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M HOPING THAT YOU CAN KIND OF WALK US THROUGH, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THIS, THIS PARK TOWN PRETTY WELL, AND I KNOW THIS STREET AND MM-HMM . IS THIS A SMALL STREET? IS THIS A, A SINGLE FAMILY STREET? IS THIS A, YOU KNOW, A WHERE DOES IT LAND THERE IN THE HIERARCHY? IS IT ONE WAY, EACH WAY? WHAT, WHAT DOES MINOR MATERIAL MEAN? YES, ABSOLUTELY. THANK, THANK YOU CHAIR. SHE DID, UH, I'D RATHER NOT SPEAK IN TERMS OF, UM, ADJECTIVES AND OR INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE IN THE AREA MAY KNOW THE STREET MUCH BETTER THAN I WOULD, EVEN THOUGH I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE, THE PLACE ITSELF. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT I'LL USE BOTH SANG AND BISHOP. BOTH OF THEM ARE DESIGNATED THOROUGHFARES, UM, THAT MEANS THEY CARRY, OR THEY'RE INTENDED OR DESIGNED TO CARRY, UM, MUCH MORE TRAFFIC THAN A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET. UM, SANG IS A MINOR ARTERIAL, AND BISHOP IS A COMMUNITY COLLECTOR. UM, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT NEITHER OF THEM ARE INTENDED TO CARRY LARGE AMOUNT AND HIGH SPEED OF TRAFFIC, BUT THEY CONNECT, IN FACT, IT, IT DISTRIBUTES TRAFFIC INTO AN ARTERIAL STREET. UH, SPECIFICALLY BISHOP STREET, UM, IS A, IS A NEIGHBORHOOD CONTINUITY ROAD THAT MEANS THAT IT'S INTENDED TO HAVE, ACTUALLY NOT, NOT TALKING BISHOP ON THIS ONE. THAT'S ON, IT'S THE NEXT CASE. THIS ONE'S, EXCUSE ME, SAN YES, SIR. FOCUS ON SAN RIGHT NOW. YES, SIR. PLEASE. YES. THANK YOU. SO SAN SPECIFICALLY PROVIDES A ROUTE AND SPACING CONTINUITY TOWARD A PRINCIPAL MATERIAL. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A RELATIVELY HIGH SPEED ROAD, ALL POSTED SPEED LIMIT EXCEED, UH, 30. UM, BUT IT ISN'T ALSO INTENDED TO HAVE, UM, A SERIES OF DRIVEWAYS, UM, EVERY, EVERY HALF A MILE. THAT'S HIGH DENSITY, THAT'S HIGH DENSITY. SO, UM, SPECIFICALLY FOR ZANG, UH, THOUGH IT'S INTENDED TO HAVE HIGH SPEED AND LARGE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, UH, THERE ARE ALSO, IT'S, IT'S A MINOR MATERIALS, LIKE, LIKE ZANG. IT'S, IT'S A STRANGE ROAD BECAUSE IT HAS BOTH, UH, THE DENSITY AND THE HIGH SPEED. UM, UM, I, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT AS BACKGROUND, BUT, BUT I'M READY TO ANSWER MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. THAT'S PERFECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED THE CONTEXT. [02:45:01] THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SIR? I HAVE A QUICK ONE. YES, SIR. PLEASE. COMMISSIONER HERBERT, CLARIFY, MAKE THINGS WORSE. UM, SO THIS, TO CLARIFY, I KNOW CURRENTLY OUR HOTEL AND MOTEL STATUSES ARE THE SAME, I THINK IS THAT WHAT SEPARATES THEM? WHAT SEPARATES A MOTEL OR HOTEL FROM A BOUTIQUE, UM, HOTEL? IF THAT, IF SOMEONE CAN ANSWER THAT SPECIFIC TO THE AMOUNT OF TIME, ONE CAN RENT OUT A UNIT, ACTUALLY, IF THAT, IF THAT HELPS. AND HI, MEGAN WEIMER. I APOLOGIZE, COMMISSIONER. UM, I WAS, WE WERE KIND OF SHUFFLING. SO IS THE QUESTION IS, IN TERMS OF LENGTH OF STAY, IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A HOTEL AND A MOTEL USE? WAS THAT THE QUESTION? YES. AND WHAT'S VERSUS A BOUTIQUE USE AS WELL? YES. YEAH. SO, UM, RIGHT NOW I'M JUST TALKING WITHOUT MY CODE, SO I WILL NEED TO STEP AWAY TO GET THAT. BUT IN CHAPTER 51, A HOTEL AND MOTEL ARE CLASSIFIED AS ONE USE. IT'S THE, A HOTEL OR MOTEL USE. UM, AND THEN IN PD 4 68 AND PD EIGHT 30, UM, BOUTIQUE HOTEL IS A SPECIFICALLY DEFINED USE IN THE PD. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I CAN STEP AWAY AND WE CAN GET A CODE IN FRONT OF US AND ANSWER THE QUESTION. OH, THAT HELPED. I JUST, I JUST KNEW THAT ON SOME MOTELS RENT AT AN HOURLY WAIT RATE. AND I KNOW, UM, MOST HOTELS DON'T. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WERE LANGUAGE THERE. BUT YOU SAYING THAT THIS IS SPECIFIC TO THE , UM, HELPS A LOT. THANK YOU. UM, YEAH, AND I, I WOULD SAY TO SOME EXTENT THE, OH, THANK YOU. THE LODGING USES. UM, LET'S SEE, YOU MENTIONED PD EIGHT 30, THOUGH, THAT, THAT DOESN'T APPLY HERE. WELL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I'M SORRY, THAT'S THE NEXT CASE. WE'LL HAVE THE SAME, SAME QUESTION ON BOTH, BUT YES, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PD 4 68 RIGHT NOW. CORRECT. OKAY. RIGHT. YES. SO, UH, WHAT IS THE, DOES 4 68 HAVE RULES FOR A BOUTIQUE HOTEL? WE'LL COME RIGHT BACK TO YOU, COMMISSIONER FORAY. WE'RE GONNA FINISH UP WITH COMMISSIONER HERBERT, THEN WE'LL COME RIGHT TO YOU. I'M SORRY, I'M OH, OKAY. I'M SORRY. I APOLOGIZE. SO, UM, AND JUST LOOKING AT THE HOTEL IN MOTEL DEFINITION IN CHAPTER 51 A, THE DEFINITION IS A FACILITY CONTAINING SIX OR MORE GUEST ROOMS THAT ARE RENTED TO OCCUPANTS ON A DAILY BASIS. AND IT DOES NOT TALK ABOUT LIMITATIONS OF STAYS, IT JUST IS GENERALLY ON A DAILY BASIS. UH, INTERESTING. I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT OFFLINE, LIKE BUDGET SUITES AND HOW THEY DO IT, BUT I ASSUME THEY DO IT ON A DAILY BASIS, BUT CHARGE MONTHLY NEITHER HERE, THERE. UM, LASTLY, UH, JUST TO MAKE SOME CLARIFICATIONS. THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL IS, UH, LAID OUT IN THE PD, UM, AT THEIR STANDARD LANGUAGE AROUND IT. THIS APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR SUP TO, UM, UM, TO HAVE RULES PUT ON THEM, UM, TO, ONE, KEEP THEIR TENANTS, UM, AND TWO, UH, AND A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT LIMIT THEIR THINGS OR MAYBE EXPANDED IT. THE KEY HERE IS THAT THE SUP REGULATES IT. SO EVEN, FOR INSTANCE, I'VE CALLED IN AN SUP ON THE SCHOOL PREVIOUSLY, RIGHT? WE HAVE A HEARING THINGS ARE DONE. THAT PROCESS WILL STILL STAND HERE NO MATTER WHO OWNS THE BUILDING. IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY? UM, I'M SORRY, I THINK I LOST A LITTLE BIT OF THE END OF THE QUESTION. UM, THE, YEAH, JUST, YEAH. YES. I, I'M SORRY. IF YOU COULD GO AHEAD. UH, NO. TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE SUP WITH THE RULES THAT ARE IN PLACE WILL ADD AND SUBTRACT FROM SOME THINGS THAT ARE IN THE STANDARD LANGUAGE FOR BOUTIQUE HOTELS. AND THAT SUP CAN BE PULLED WITH THREE PERSON MEMO AS NORMAL, UM, TODAY. RIGHT. AND, AND, RIGHT. SO THANK, THANK YOU FOR RE RESTATING THAT. YES, YOU ARE CORRECT. SO THE PD ESTABLISHES THE USE. THIS SPECIFIC REQUEST, UH, IS A SUBDISTRICT TO ALLOW THAT USE, BUT REQUIRE AN SUP FOR IT. SO IT'S ALLOWED IN THIS SUBDISTRICT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED ONLY BY SUP. UM, RIGHT NOW, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOR A FOUR YEAR TIME PERIOD. SO AT THAT TIME, CPC AND COUNSEL WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REEVALUATE. UM, AND AS YOU STATED, IF THERE WERE ISSUES BEFORE, THEN THERE IS THE OPTION OF THE THREE PERSON MEMO TO, UM, OPEN IT UP FOR IT TO BE CONSIDERED PRIOR TO THE FOUR [02:50:01] YEAR PERIOD. SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE SAFEGUARDS, UM, THROUGHOUT THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED ON THE RECORD TODAY, CORRECT? YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO JUST FOR CLARITY, FOR MY COUNTERPARTS AND PEOPLE OF THE AUDIENCE, IF I OWNED AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IN THE PD TODAY, UM, THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX WOULD HAVE TO MEET A CERTAIN STANDARD TO EVEN BE CONSIDERED TO BE A BOUTIQUE HOTEL AND TO GET AWAY FROM THE RULES AROUND THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE US FOR AN SUP. IS THAT ACCURATE, PER SE? SO IN TERMS OF GETTING AROUND THE RULES FOR THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL, UM, I GUESS IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT'S MEANT BY THAT. SO RIGHT NOW THE USE HAS A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR A MULTIFAMILY USE. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN OPERATING AS COMPLIANT WITH THE RULES THAT ARE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW. AND AT THE TIME IT WAS ESTABLISHED. UM, RIGHT NOW THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING SOME, UH, A, A NEW LAND USE, A DIFFERENT LAND USE. AND SO THIS PARTICULAR LAND USE REGULATES HOW IT'S RENTED. UM, AND I THINK I KIND OF LOST TRACK. I STARTED RAMBLING THERE. WAS THERE THAT'S FINE. A PIECE THAT I MISSED IN ANSWERING THE QUESTION. NO. OH, SO BASICALLY CHANGING USES YEAH. WOULD REQUIRE IF THEY WANT, IF THE USES, IF THIS IS APPROVED TODAY, THE USE WOULD THEN GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR A BOUTIQUE HOTEL. AND THAT'S HOW THEY WOULD OPERATE. IF THEY WANTED TO DIFFER FROM THAT, THEY WOULD NEED TO GET A NEW, UM, CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. AND IF IT'S FOR A USE THAT'S NOT ALLOWED, THEN IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS. UM, IF IT'S A USE THAT'S NOT ALLOWED THAT THEY WANTED TO ADD. OKAY. . PERFECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU CHAIR. MM-HMM . MS. WEER, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. UH, I'LL COME TO YOU SINCE YOU'VE HAD A, A COUPLE OF ROUNDS OF QUESTIONS ALREADY. UM, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD SOME COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND SOME QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT THE, SOME OF THE TWEAKS BEING MADE TO THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL USE. UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT, THAT WE HEARD WAS WHEN, WHEN SOMEONE THINKS OF HOTEL, THEY THINK OF SOMEPLACE WITH A FRONT DESK THAT IS, YOU KNOW, MANNED OR PERSONED OR WHATEVER THE, THE TERM IS. THESE DAYS THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, HAS SOMEONE WORKING THERE 24 HOURS TO, TO GREET GUESTS, DO THE DEFINITIONS OF BOUTIQUE HOTEL OR EVEN HOTEL UNDER 51 A OR HOTEL MOTEL UNDER 51 A REQUIRE 24 HOUR STAFFING? UM, NO, THAT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF, UH, THE USE IN CHAPTER 51 A NOR IN THE PD THAT'S NOT ADDRESSED AS PART OF THE DEFINITION. OKAY. AND RIGHT NOW THEY ALLOW 50% EXTERNAL IN ENTRIES. THIS WOULD TWEAK IT. SO, SO SOME EXTERNAL ENTRIES ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED UNDER BOUTIQUE HOTEL. RIGHT. RIGHT. AND THIS JUST CHANGES THE, THE NUMBER THAT ARE ALLOWED? THAT'S, YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND IN LIEU OF REQUIRING FOOD TO BE PREPARED ON SITE, THERE WOULD BE THE SORT OF KITCHENS ALLOWED IN, IN UNITS UNDER THE TWEAK MADE HERE, CORRECT. UH, Y YES. THE TWEAK IS TO ALLOW KITCHENS IN GUEST ROOMS. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER HAWK FOLLOWED BY, UH, COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT. PARDON ME? COMMISSIONER WHEELER. FOLLOW THAT. COMMISSIONER FORESITE, MA'AM. UM, SO I, I THINK WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, UH, I WANNA BE SURE IF THE, I KNOW THAT MOST OF THE COMMUNITY IS IN, WAS THE ONES WHO CAME TODAY WAS IN OPPOSITION. IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT, THAT IT'S ALMOST A FIX OR NO, FIX IT. SO IF THEY ARE APPROVED TODAY FOR THE SUP AND THE COURTS COME BACK AND SAY THAT LONG THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE UTI, UH, ARE OKAY TO HAVE AND SIDE WITH THOSE WHO HAVE SHORT TERM RENTALS AGAINST THE CITY OF DALLAS, THAT THERE WILL BE NO MECHANISM SAY THAT THEY'RE NOT APPROVED TODAY, THERE WILL BE NO MECHANISM TOOL TO, UH, REGULATE THEM. BUT IF WE VOTE TODAY AND THAT SAME JUDGMENT IS HANDED DOWN, THERE WILL BE A ROOM TO REGULATE THEM. AM I RIGHT OR SO IT'S TAKE SO BOTH, BOTH. SO THE COMMUNITY IS TAKING A CHANCE ON BY ASKING US THE TRUTH THAT THE COMMUNITY IS TAKING A CHANCE ON ASKING US NOT TO APPROVE THIS. [02:55:01] AND THEN IF THAT, IF THE COURTS COME DOWN AND SAY THAT ANY, THAT THEY WILL ALLOW, THAT THEY WON'T HAVE A MECHANISM IN PLACE TO, TO, TO MONITOR THIS PARTICULAR, UH, ACTIVITY. I MEAN THIS PARTICULAR, UH, USE, SO I WOULD, I'M KIND OF LOOKING TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON THIS, BUT THIS IS A SEPARATE ISSUE FROM THE STR, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE. SO THIS IS A LAND USE THAT IS ALLOWED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT BY SUP. AND SO WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH THE OUTSTANDING SHORT TERM RENTAL LITIGATION HAS NO BEARING ON THIS CASE. YEAH, I'LL JUMP IN. THANK YOU. THIS IS LAURA MORRISON, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. UH, NO MATTER WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THE CITY'S SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE ENDS UP BEING, IT WON'T AFFECT THIS PROPERTY AS TO ITS STATUS AS A BOUTIQUE HOTEL BECAUSE IT IS ALLOWED IN THE PD AND IT WILL HAVE AN SUP FOR THAT AND IT WILL BE OPERATING AS A BOUTIQUE HOTEL COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, YOUR, CAN YOU PLEASE SIT ON YOUR MICROPHONE? YOUR YEAH, YOUR MICROPHONE. I WANNA CLARIFY THAT, THAT EXACT POINT THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY JUST BROUGHT UP. AND GOING BACK TO YOUR, YOUR DISCUSSION A FEW MINUTES AGO, UH, WHEN YOU SAID THAT PD EIGHT 30 ALLOWED FOR BOUTIQUE HOTELS, I WANNA CLAR I WANT TO HEAR IT FROM YOU DIRECTLY, THAT THE CURRENT PD 4 68 SUBDISTRICT B ALLOWS FOR A BOUTIQUE HOTEL WITH SUP, THAT THAT'S IN THE RULES FOR THIS, THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, PD, UH, UH, 'CAUSE I'M HEARING DIFFERENT FROM THE COMMUNITY, WE'D HAVE TO GRAB THE CODE. SO THE QUESTION IS, DOES SUBDISTRICT B ALLOW BOUTIQUE HOTEL TODAY BY SUP? OKAY, LET'S, LET ME PULL UP MY CODE. I'LL BE RIGHT BACK. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. WE ARE ALRIGHT. THANK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. WE ARE SEEING WHO COULD GET THERE FIRST. SO, UH, SUBDISTRICT THREE, SUBDISTRICT B REVERTS TO, OR DEFAULTS TO WR THREE A STRAIGHT FORM ZONING DISTRICT. UM, SO BOUTIQUE HOTEL IS NOT A DEFINED LAND USE IN THAT FORM DISTRICT. WE CAN LOOK TO SEE WHAT LODGING USES ARE ALLOWED, IF ANY. SO IT'S A SCAVENGER HUNT. CAN I ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION? YEAH. IF BOUTIQUE HOTEL IS NOT A DEFINED LAND USE FOR THIS WR THREE, WHICH IS TO BASE ZONING FOR THIS SUB-DISTRICT, THEN HOW CAN WE BE AUTHORIZING SUP FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT A DEFINED LAND USE? CAN, CAN, SORRY. YES. A DEFINE LAND USE THAT, THAT REQUIRES AN SUP BECAUSE THERE, THIS CREATION OF A SUBDISTRICT WILL ALLOW THE USE THAT'S ALLOWED AND DEFINED IN THE PD AND THEN WILL REQUIRE AN SUP FOR IT. SO IT'S A, A AMEND AN AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING TO ALLOW IT. BUT THAT'S NOT STATED IN HERE. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE I DON'T, I DON'T, THAT'S WHAT THE REQUEST IS. UM, THE, THE SUP IS ONLY HALF OF THIS ZONING CASE. THE FIRST HALF OF THE ZONING CASE IS TO CREATE A NEW SUBDISTRICT ON THE PROPERTY WITHIN THE PD THAT WILL THEN ALLOW BOUTIQUE HOTEL BY SUP IN THAT NEWLY CREATED SUBDISTRICT. AND THEN THE SECOND HALF OF THE ZONING [03:00:01] CASE IS TO, TO HAVE TO APPROVE THE SUP FOR THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL THAT WILL THEN BE ALLOWED BE S BY SUP IN THE PD. RIGHT. SO IT'S, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED SUB-DISTRICT B WITHIN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. RIGHT. THEY'RE CREATING A NEW SUB-DISTRICT THAT, YEAH. SO IT LIKE THE, UH, LIKE LAURA JUST SAID, IT'S A TWO, TWO PART REQUEST. BUT, BUT, BUT THE, GO BACK TO MY FIRST QUESTION. YOU KNOW, UH, BOUTIQUE HOTEL IS NOT A LAND USE CURRENTLY IN THIS SUB SUBDISTRICT FOR THIS, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. IT, IT'S NOT CURRENTLY. AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE ANY COMMENTARY. I'LL SAVE THAT FOR LATER. COMMISSIONER HAWK. IT'S OKAY. OH, SORRY. COMMISSIONER HAWK. THANK YOU. AND JUST ONE AGAIN, ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION. I HATE, HATE TO KEEP, UM, MENTIONING THE DAYS, BUT THERE'S A THIRD LAYER TO THIS REQUEST TOO, WHICH IS ALSO ADJUSTING THE AMOUNT OF DAYS THAT IS ALLOWED BY A BOUTIQUE HOTEL, RIGHT? YES. THERE IS A PROPOSED ADJUSTMENT TO SPECIFY THAT RENTAL CAN BE DAILY, WEEKLY, OR MONTHLY. OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PART OF THE PD AMENDMENT, I'M SORRY. YEAH. OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE PIECES ARE IN THERE BECAUSE IF WE USE A TERM THAT HAS A DA DAY, YOU KNOW, IF, IF BOUTIQUE HOTEL EQUALS 14 DAYS, BUT WE'RE ASKING FOR MORE THAN THAT, THEN WE'RE NOT REALLY ASKING FOR A BOUTIQUE HOTEL. THERE'S A, THERE'S ANOTHER REQUEST THAT IS INHERENT TO THIS, THAT'S, THERE'S ANOTHER REQUEST THAT'S NOT JUST COVERED BY SAYING IT'S A BOUTIQUE HOTEL. UM, I APOLOGIZE, I STEPPED AWAY. BUT YET, SO WE'RE AT THE PD SUBDISTRICT WILL ALLOW THE USE AND ADD ALSO SOME ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS, WHICH ONE OF THOSE IS TO ADJUST THE PERIOD OF THE STAYS. WAS THERE MORE TO THE QUESTION? YEAH, SORRY, . NO, THAT WAS IT. I JUST DON'T WANNA LOSE THE TIME PERIOD BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S THE TIME PERIOD IS WHAT REALLY IT'S IMPORTANT TO THIS CASE. RIGHT. AND SO JUST TO, TO RESTATE, UM, FOR, FOR I THINK ALL OF OUR, UM, REFERENCE, SO RIGHT NOW, BOUTIQUE HOTEL MEANS A LODGING FACILITY WITH 30 OR FEWER GUEST ROOMS THAT ARE RENTED TO OCCUPANTS ON A DAILY BASIS FOR NOT MORE THAN 14 CONSECUTIVE DAYS. AND SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IN THE SUBDISTRICT WOULD ALLOW RENTALS EITHER DAILY, WEEKLY, OR MONTHLY, JUST TO SPECIFY AND MAKE IT CLEAR. IS THERE A FOLLOW UP COMMISSIONER HAW? NO, THANK YOU. I'M CLEAR. THANK YOU. AND WE'RE LOOKING TO, UH, CONFIRM IF LODGING USES ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN THE WR THREE FORM DISTRICT. OKAY. IN CASE YOU GUYS WERE STILL CURIOUS. YEAH, WE ARE. WE'LL JUST PAUSE FOR JUST A SECOND THEN. WHAT DID SHE SAY? DID YOU KNOW WHAT SHE SIGNED? NO, I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT, YES, SIR. CAN I ASK YOU TO REPEAT? OH, YES. I, I THINK, I THINK WE WERE TAKING A PAUSE FOR SOMETHING ELSE, BUT WITHIN THAT PAUSE WE ARE HAVING STAFF CONFIRM IF LODGING USES ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN THE WR THREE DISTRICT TO ANSWER YOUR EARLIER QUESTION. OKAY. SO IN GENERAL FORM BASED ZONING, UM, THERE ARE TWO KIND OF CATEGORIES THAT [03:05:01] TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH LODGING OR, UM, SHORTER OCCUPANCIES, UM, OVER OVERNIGHT LODGING. UM, LIKE YOUR GENERAL HOTEL USES ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE WR DISTRICT, BUT ANOTHER CATEGORY CALLED GROUP LIVING IS ALLOWED. UM, AND THE DEFINITION OF THAT IS RESIDENTIAL OCCUPANCY OF A STRUCTURE BY A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT MEET THE DEFINITION OF A FAMILY. UH, TENNESSEE IS USUALLY ARRANGED ON A MONTHLY OR LONGER BASIS. GENERALLY, GROUP LIVING FACILITIES HAVE A COMMON EATING AREA FOR RESIDENTS AND RESIDENTS MAY RECEIVE CARE OR TRAINING. AND THEN IT HAS A LIST OF USES, WHICH INCLUDES RESIDENTIAL, HOTEL GROUP, RESIDENTIAL FACILITY, BOARDING HOUSE, ROOMING HOUSE OR LODGING HOUSE. UM, SO I, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE LIKE A MONTHLY GROUP LIVING ARRANGEMENT THAT'S ALLOWED IN WR BUT NOT THE DAILY OR WEEKLY BASIS IS WHAT I'M SEEING IN THE CODE. IS THAT CLEAR UP? COMMISSIONER FORESITE? VERY GOOD. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. YOU BET. ALLOWING THE STAFF, OF COURSE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? PASS ON. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, VICE RUBEN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES, I DO. AND I HAVE COMMENTS. UM, IF I HAVE A SECOND, GIVE ME ONE SECOND TO PULL MY MOTION BACK UP. UM, IN CASE NUMBER Z 2 3 4 12, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES. UM, ONE WITHIN THE AREA OF REQUEST, A BOUTIQUE HOTEL MAY BE RENTED ON A DAILY, WEEKLY, OR MONTHLY BASIS AND IS, IS NOT LIMITED TO THE CONSECUTIVE OR 14 CONSECUTIVE DAY MAXIMUM MENTAL REQUIREMENT. AND NUMBER TWO, ADD A CONDITION TO THE, UM, S OR ADD A ADDITIONAL CONDITION TO THE SUP CONDITIONS STATING THAT A QR CODE WITH A LINK TO REACH CUSTOMER SUPPORT, UM, MUST BE PLACED IN A PROVIDED IN A PROMINENT PLACE ON THE BUILDING. THANK YOU VICE. THANK YOU VICE TRU FOR YOUR MOTION. CAN I GET A SECOND? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. I'LL SECOND NIGHTINGALE FOR YOUR SECOND DISCUSSION. VICE RUBEN. SURE. THIS IS, UH, IN, IN EXCEPTIONALLY CHALLENGING CASES AS THE GUY WHO WITHOUT A DISTRICT, IT'S, UH, WHO STEPS IN, UH, WHEN THERE ARE CONFLICTS OR OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPEN, UM, I SOMETIMES GET THE THORNY ONES AND, AND THIS IS TRUE OF THAT. UM, I WANT TO ADDRESS THE, THE ETHICS PIECE OF THIS. FIRST AND FOREMOST SINCE IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY, UM, SOME OF OUR SPEAKERS. UM, I AM A BY THE BOOK TYPE OF GUY SO THAT I, WHEN I LEARNED THAT, UM, ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES HAD A, A ZONING REQUEST THAT WAS GOING TO BE, THAT WAS FILED BEFORE THIS BODY, I MADE SURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE WERE DOING HERE WAS DONE ABSOLUTELY BY THE BOOK. I HAVE CONFIRMED THAT, YOU KNOW, ANY CITIZEN OR OTHER PERSON WHO OWNS PROPERTY OF THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS THE RIGHT TO FILE A CASE TO REZONE, UM, THEIR PROPERTY. I HAVE CONFIRMED THAT THIS CASE AND HAVE TREATED THIS CASE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER CASE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, GETS FILED BEFORE THIS BODY AND THAT I WORK ON, WHETHER IT WAS ON MY COLLEAGUES OR WHETHER IT'S JOE SMITH, THIS CASE GOT THE EXACT SAME TREATMENT THAT IT, THAT WOULD'VE GOTTEN REGARDLESS OF WHO THE APPLICANT WAS. AND FINALLY, CONSISTENT WITH ANY CASE WHERE ONE OF ME OR OR MY COLLEAGUES HAS A CONFLICT, I HAVE NOT ENGAGED IN ANY COMMUNICATIONS ON THIS CASE OR THE NEXT CASE WITH, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER. IN LIGHT OF THE VERY STRICT, YOU KNOW, PROVISIONS OF CHAPTER 12 A OF THE CITY CODE, THIS ONE HAS BEEN DONE BY THE BOOK AND IT HAS BEEN TREATED JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ZONING CASE. SO NOW LET'S GET TO THE MERITS OF THIS. UM, THIS IS IN A VERY INTERESTING SPOT IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THE CITY'S SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE IS CURRENTLY ENJOINED OR TEMPORARILY ENJOINED [03:10:01] BY A COURT. UM, SO RIGHT NOW PEOPLE CAN RENT THEIR PROPERTIES ON A SHORT TERM BASIS DESPITE THE ORDINANCE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL PASSED, I GUESS IT WAS IN 23 OR EARLY 2024. SO THAT, THAT IS CRITICAL BACKGROUND AND DEFINITELY COLORED HOW I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS CASE, CONSIDERING THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN RENTED ON A SHORT TERM BASIS, AT LEAST PARTIALLY IN THE PAST. UM, THIS INITIALLY CAME IN AS A REQUEST TO JUST AMEND THE PD TO ALLOW THIS BOUTIQUE HOTEL USE IN PERPETUITY. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A LITTLE TOO MUCH. AND I HEARD FROM SEVERAL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE, THE KIDS SPRINGS, UM, COMMUNITY, AT OUR COMMUNITY MEETING VIA EMAIL THAT AGAIN, IN LIGHT OF THE SITUATION WHERE WE ARE WITH OUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE, AUTHORIZING THIS USE IN PERPETUITY, UM, YOU KNOW, WAS A STEP TOO FAR. AND I THINK ALLOWING THIS WITH AN SUP IS THE APPROPRIATE COURSE HERE BECAUSE IT ALLOWS ADDITIONAL REGULATORY CONTROL OVER USE OR SIMILAR USES THAT THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, CHALLENGING IN THE PAST. AND IT GIVES, IT GIVES THE CITY MORE TEETH TO REGULATE THIS USE THAN IT WOULD IF WE JUST LEFT THE ZONING, UM, THE SAME ON THE GROUND. ANOTHER IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION HERE IS THAT THE FACT IS THIS, THIS IS ON ZANG, A STREET WITH A HUNDRED FOOT RIGHT OF WAY. UM, AS MS, UH, AS SOME OF OUR PUBLIC SPEECHES MENTIONED, THIS IS ON THE BORDER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IF THIS WERE ON ELIZABETH OR MADISON, I THINK THE RESULT WOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT. BUT THE FACT THAT THIS IS ON ZANG, WHICH IS ON A BUSIER STREET MAKES IT MORE APPROPRIATE. UM, I THINK THE TWEAKS THAT WE'RE MAKING TO THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL DEFINITION ARE, ARE PRETTY MINOR CONSIDERING THAT THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL IN DEFINITION IN THE FIRST PLACE DOESN'T REQUIRE A BOUTIQUE HOTEL. AND 51 A DOESN'T REQUIRE A STANDARD HOTEL TO BE STAFFED, UM, ON A, ON A FULL-TIME BASIS. AND I THINK ADDING THE CONDITION OF REQUIRING THE QR CODE GIVES ADDITIONAL ASSURANCES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS, THERE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY SOMEONE COME TO CONTACT, BUT A WAY TO FIND THEM AND CONTACT THEM. AND FINALLY, YOU KNOW, WE HEAR ARGUMENTS ALL THE TIME YOU GRANT AN SUP, EVEN IF IT'S FOR A, YOU KNOW, A SPECIFIED PERIOD, IT IS GRANTED, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO SAY NO WHEN THEY COME BACK BECAUSE OF THE INVESTMENT. BUT CONSIDERING HOW EASILY THESE COULD BE TURNED, TURNED BACK TO, YOU KNOW, STANDARD APARTMENTS, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY TWEAKING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO THE PROPERTY OR THE TWEAKING IS VERY MINIMAL. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, GIVING THIS AN AN AN SUP FOR A FOUR YEAR PERIOD AT ALL GUARANTEES THAT IT WILL BE RENEWED AND WE CAN EVALUATE IT FOUR YEARS FROM NOW. LOOK AT THE REGULATORY LANDSCAPE THEN AND MAKE THE APPROPRIATE DECISION FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOUR YEARS FROM NOW. IT COULD BE RENEWABLE, IT MAY BE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS SEEN ITS DAY AND IT'S COME. SO I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A, A CHALLENGING CASE. I KNOW NO ONE'S GOING TO LEAVE HERE COMPLETELY HAPPY, BUT I THINK WE HAVE, HOPEFULLY WITH WITH MY COLLEAGUE SUPPORT, WE HAVE THREADED THE NEEDLE HERE AND REACHED A RESULT THAT WILL WORK, UM, FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN? IS THAT YOUR HAND UP? YES. UH, YES. I MAY HAVE A A THIS IS A QUESTION, BUT MAYBE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT AND CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, UH, CONTINGENCIES CONDITIONS THAT YOU HAVE? SURE. UM, I ONLY ADDED ONE CONDITION TO THE SUP AND IT WAS, LET ME PULL MY LANGUAGE BACK UP. A QR CODE TO LINK TO REACH CUSTOMER SUPPORT MUST BE PROVIDED IN A PROMINENT PLACE ON THE BUILDING. OKAY. 'CAUSE I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY, UM, AMEND AMENDMENT FOR WEEKLY, MONTHLY. OH, SORRY. THAT WAS, THAT WAS NOT THE CONDITIONS, THAT WAS DIRECTION TO STAFF AND DRAFTING THE ORDINANCE. UM, MY OTHER ADDITION OR CHANGE TO THE, TO MY MOTION BEYOND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS WITHIN THE AREA OF REQUEST, A BOUTIQUE HOTEL MAY BE RENTED ON A DAILY, WEEKLY, OR MONTHLY BASIS AND IS NOT LIMITED TO THE 14TH CONSECUTIVE DAY MAXIMUM MENTOR REQUIREMENT. SO THAT PRESERVES THE ABILITY TO RENT IT OUT ON A LONG-TERM BASIS. WHEREAS I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS PREVIOUSLY DRAFTED, IT WOULD'VE BEEN LIMITED TOWARD RENTALS OF 14 CONSECUTIVE DAYS OR LESS BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO INCORPORATE SAFEGUARDS FOR THE EXISTING TENANTS [03:15:01] IF THEY WANT TO LEASE IT OUT FOR ANOTHER YEAR. WOULD THAT BE AN AMENDMENT TO, TO THE MOTION OR HOW PROCEDURALLY CAN WE DO THAT? I, I MEAN, IF YOU, I WASN'T, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T HAVE ANY LANGUAGE LIKE THAT, SO TO, TO OFFER. SO IF THERE WERE A WAY TO, TO MAKE THAT MOTION, YOU KNOW, AMENDMENT, THEN THAT, THAT THAT'S YOUR, YOUR CHOICE. I DON'T HAVE LANGUAGE PREPARED. IF, IF YOU HAVE LANGUAGE, I'M HAPPY TO CONSIDER IT. I'LL, I'LL JUMP IN JUST REAL QUICK. LAURA MORRISON, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WE CAN'T CONDITION AN SUP OR REALLY ANY ZONING TO CURRENT TENANTS. SO IF YOU WANTED TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT THAT ALSO ALLOWS A BOUTIQUE HOTEL TO RENT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, IT WOULD BE FOR ANYONE FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS. IT, BUT WE COULDN'T LIMIT IT TO THE CURRENT TENANTS. YES. I DIDN'T WANNA LIMIT IT JUST TO THE CURRENT TENANTS, BUT JUST MAKING SURE THEY HAD THAT SAFEGUARD JUST IN CASE IF THEY WANTED TO. SO IT WOULD BE, UH, OR BROADER THAN THAT. SO ANYONE COULD REQUEST A YEAR LEASE, RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO ADD AN ANNUAL, IF THAT'S A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, I NO ISSUE WITH THAT TO ADD THE WORD ANNUAL. AND JUST IN MY TIME UP, MAY I, CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? MY READING OF THIS WITH THE MONTHLY BASIS COMBINED TO THE GETTING RID OF THE 14TH CONSECUTIVE DAY MAXIMUM RENTAL REQUIREMENT IS THAT, THAT EVEN WITHOUT THE WORD ANNUAL IN THERE, IT COULD BE RENTED FOR MORE THAN A MONTH, A YEAR, TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS, MONTHLY. REFERS TO THE FACT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I USED TO RENT, I PAID MY RENT ON A MONTHLY BASIS AS OPPOSED TO WRITING ONE BIG CHECK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT, YES, THAT THAT WOULD BE MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL, THAT IT WOULD NOT BE LIMITED TO ONE MONTH OF RENTAL. IT COULD BE ON A MONTHLY BASIS FOR UNDER A SIX MONTH LEASE OR A YEARLY LEASE. YEAH, EVEN A THREE YEAR, YEAH, FOR MULTIPLE MONTHS. I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO ADD THE WORD ANNUAL IN THERE FOR, FOR CLARITY THOUGH, BUT IT WAS ALWAYS MY INTENT TO MAKE SURE IT COULD BE RENTED OUT FOR MORE THAN JUST A MONTH. THAT, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE LANGUAGE AS WELL. THAT IT, IT TAKES, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, A TENANT THAT WANTS TO STAY IN THERE 18 MONTHS OR TWO YEARS. BUT, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, UH, WHEELER FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER FORESITE? UM, I, I THINK I, I WOULD WANNA ADD, UH, POSSIBLY THE AMENDMENT, EVEN THOUGH THAT THEY ARE SCANNING A QR CODE FOR THE INSURANCE OF THE, UM, THE, THE COMMUNITY THAT THERE IS SOME, IS THERE A PLACE WHERE WE CAN REPLACE ORDER THAT THE REQUIREMENT OF TRACKING THE RESPONSE TO THAT AND WHEN THEY COME UP BACK BEFORE THE SUP FOR THE PROCESS, KNOWING THAT, THAT YOUR QR CODE IS JUST NOT THERE JUST BECAUSE WE REQUIRED IT. BUT THERE IS A TRACKING MECHANISM FOR IF THOSE, UH, COMPLAINTS ARE. AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO, IS SOMETHING ALONG THAT FOR ACCOUNTABILITY SOMETHING IS SUCH AS IF WHEN WE CALL, IF SAY YOU WERE TO CALL THE PO THE POLICE OR SOMETHING AND THEY HAVE A TRACKING THE LAW THAT EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED AT THAT LOCATION, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THAT QR CODE IS BEING UTILIZED? IS THAT OVER SOME, SOME TYPE OF SAFE CARD WE CAN PUT IN? HELLO? ARE IS THIS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT COMMERCIAL WHEELER OR YEAH, THIS IS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT I'M ASKING AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE CITY ATTORNEY OFFICER WOULD HAVE TO TELL, SAY, IS THIS POSSIBLE? I KNOW WE'RE PUTTING A QR CODE IN, THAT'S HOW GOOD AND DANDY, BUT HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THAT QR CODE IS GOING TO BE MANNED PROPERLY? IS THERE ANY SAFEGUARDS ON, UH, WHERE THEY COME BACK BEFORE SUP TO KNOWING THAT THEM KEEPING UP WITH THE, UH, UM, KEEPING UP WITH THE RESPONSE TIMES OR EVEN IF THERE IS A RESPONSE TO THE QR CODE? UM, I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA ACCEPT THAT AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. I CAN SPEAK TO WHY, PLEASE. I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY EASY TO ENFORCE. AND WHEN THIS THING DOES COME AROUND AND FOUR YEARS OF COUNSEL APPROVES IT, I THINK IT'S WELL WITHIN OUR, YOU KNOW, PURVIEW TO REQUEST, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT INCLUDING, UH, THOSE RECORDS. I DON'T THINK STICKING IT IN THE SUP CONDITIONS IS, IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO HERE, PARTICULARLY. 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW [03:20:01] A GOOD WAY TO DRAFT THAT. SO WE WOULD ASK THEM TO HAVE IT IF IT WAS A POLICE. IF, IF WE WERE, IF IF THIS WAS A SITUATION WHERE POLICE REPORTS ARE, ARE KEPT IN AND WE CAN PULL THOSE, WE HAVE, WE WILL HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING IF IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, UM, THIS BODY COULD BE ALMOST SWITCHED ALL THE WAY OUT WHERE, UM, NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT THE, THE KNOWS RIGHT AWAY ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR CAUSE THAT YOU PUT IN, THERE IS NO CRACKING MECHANISM. UM, WE KNOW THAT A QR CODE IS JUST THAT, IT'S A QR CODE, DOESN'T MEAN THAT, YEAH, WE'LL PUT THE QR CODE UP, BUT WE NECESSARILY MIGHT NOT GET BACK TO THE COMPLAINT FOR SIX MONTHS. SO THAT'S MY CONCERN. I'LL JUST HOP IN REAL QUICK. LAURA MORRISON, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. BY PUTTING IN A CONDITION LIKE THAT, YOU'D REALLY START GETTING INTO THE OPERATIONS OF THE HOTEL AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A FUNCTION OF THE ZONING. FAIR ENOUGH. UM, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT. SO WE HAVE HEARD EVERYTHING THAT THE COMMUNITY CAME TO US TODAY IS TRUE. WHAT, WHAT THEY SAID TODAY IS TRUE, THEY SAID THAT. SO EVERYTHING THAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY TODAY IS, IS, HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE TRUE AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION. WE'VE LEARNED FROM STAFF THAT THE CORE BASE ZONING FOR THE WR THREE DISTRICT IN THIS, UH, UH, PLANNING DISTRICT, UH, 4 68 IS BASICALLY THAT LODGING FOR OVERNIGHT STAY IS NOT ALLOWED LODGING FOR OVERNIGHT STAYS, OVERNIGHT LODGING IS NOT ALLOWED IN A WR THREE DISTRICT. WE LEARNED THAT THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED WOULD BE A BOARDING HOTEL OR A RESIDENTIAL HOTEL, BUT NOT A BOUTIQUE HOTEL. IT IS NOT ALLOWED. SO WE'RE GOING TO REWRITE THE RULES AND THEY SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA ALLOW A BOUTIQUE HOTEL, WHICH IS UP FOR UP TO 14 DAYS ACCORDING TO THE RULES FOR BOUTIQUE HOTEL TO OPERATE HERE. WHEN, WHEN THE, THE FUNDAMENTAL UNDERLYING CORE BASED ZONING FOR THIS DISTRICT SAYS OVERNIGHT LODGING IS NOT ALLOWED. SO THEN WE'RE GOING TO NOT ONLY WRITE IN THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL, BUT THEN WE'RE GONNA MAKE ALL KIND OF EXCEPTIONS TO WHAT A BOUTIQUE HOTEL IS. WE'RE GONNA MAKE EXCEPTIONS THAT, WELL, A BOUTIQUE HOTEL DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE HALF THE ENTRIES THAT ARE INSIDE. WE CAN MAKE IT SO THAT ALL THE ENTRIES CAN BE FROM THE OUTSIDE. WE CAN REWRITE THE RULES THAT A BOUTIQUE HOTEL IS ONE TO 14 DAYS, AND NOW WE CAN SAY, WELL, YOU COULD BE THERE FOR A YEAR. YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST REWRITING ALL KIND OF RULES HERE TODAY FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT APPEARS TO BE A SPECIAL EXEMPTION FOR ONE DEVELOPER. AND THE COMMUNITY HAS TOLD US VERY CLEARLY THAT THE INTENT WAS THAT THAT AREA THAT WAS NORTH OF, UH, DAVIS ALONG SAYING WAS TO BE MAINTAINED FOR MULTIFAMILY. AND WE KNOW THAT IF THIS, UH, DEVELOPER WITH THIS PROPERTY THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY THE CO FOR THIS WAS FOR MULTIFAMILY. WE KNOW THAT IF WE DON'T PASS THIS TODAY, AND WE, AND WE KNOW THAT IF THIS SDR ORDINANCE IS ULTIMATELY UPHELD IN COURT, WE KNOW THAT THAT DEVELOP, THAT THAT PROJECT WILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO PUTTING THIS OUT AS MULTIFAMILY, WHICH IS WHAT IT WAS INTENDED TO BE ORIGINALLY. IT IS OPERATING, IT HAS BEEN OPERATING AS A NON-CONFORMING USE, AND WE'RE GOING TO BASICALLY JUST, UH, REWRITE EVERYTHING TO MAKE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS FOR THEM GOING INTO THE FUTURE. THAT'S NOT RIGHT. AND, AND, AND, AND SO I I, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE LISTENING TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY SAYS TODAY, AND WE SHOULDN'T BE MAKING SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS HERE FOR JUST ONE DEVELOPER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? YES, SIR, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER HUR, IF I CAN. UM, YEAH, SO I, I'VE READ OVER A LOT OF THE EMAILS FROM BOTH THE OPPOSITION AND THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT THIS, UM, UNDERSTAND THE DYNAMICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND, AND LIKE MY COUNTERPARTS HAVE TAKEN A LOT INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, ABOUT THE LAND USE HERE AND HOW IT'S BEING USED TODAY. UM, HOW CURRENT LITIGATION MAY CHANGE THAT [03:25:01] AND, AND WHAT SAFEGUARDS THESE, THESE CITIZENS HAVE, OR WE AS CITIZENS HAVE, UM, IN THE FIGHT OR THE SUPPORT OF ST. SO I I, WE, WE HAVE A MULTIFAMILY USE THAT CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT TODAY. THEY CAN MAKE IT ALL LOW INCOME. THEY CAN, THEY CAN DO A BUNCH OF THINGS, RIGHT? I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED THAT HOTEL OR MOTEL USE COULD STILL BE, HAD, CAN STILL HAPPEN. SO WHETHER WE DID BOUTIQUE HOTEL OR A FULL MOTEL, THE RULES WOULD'VE STILL HAD TO CHANGE TO FIT, UM, TO, TO, TO PUT SAFEGUARDS IN. I DON'T THINK THE, THE TENANT OR THE APPLICANT ASKED FOR ANNUAL OR THE THREE SIX MONTH, RIGHT, THE TIMEFRAME, THE 14 DAY RESTRICTION OR WHATEVER, UM, THIS WAS DONE BECAUSE THE APPLICANTS WANTED NOT THE APPLICANTS, THE NEIGHBORS WANTED A SAFEGUARD FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CURRENTLY LIVING THERE. AND THE ACCESSIBILITY FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE LONG TERM AND BE ACTIVE CITIZENS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THIS, IN MY OPINION, UM, BORDERS THAT LINE AND, AND, AND GIVES THOSE SAFEGUARDS. UM, IF, AND I'M NOT NAIVE, RIGHT, IF WE DON'T WIN, IF THE CITY DOESN'T WIN OR LOSES IN THIS CASE IN FOUR YEARS, WHEN THIS COMES UP FOR AN SUP, ANOTHER DECISION MAY HAVE TO BE MADE. THEY MAY NOT EVEN HAVE TO COME BACK FOR AN SUP. SO THERE'S A LOT THERE. BUT IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, I THINK THE RULES THAT ARE IN PLACE PROTECT THE NEIGHBORS, UM, AND PUT RULES AROUND HOW THIS PLACE IS OPERATING TODAY, UM, WHICH THEY CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE. SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S MY WORD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HERBERT. UH, I'LL BRIEFLY FOLLOW IT. UH, BUT FIRST I'D LIKE TO THANK VICE CHAIR RUBIN. UH, THIS, THIS POOR MAN GETS NOTHING BUT THE WORST CASES, UH, THAT TRUBAN IS LOOKING FOR A LAYUP. WE, WE WANT TO GIVE HIM ONE THAT HAS NO CONFLICT, NO CONTROVERSIES, NO ARTICLES IN THE PAPER. WHAT'S THAT? I GAVE HIM UNDER ADVISE. THAT'S RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU DID HAVE A CASE THAT WAS HELD. UH, BUT NO, I, I TRULY APPRECIATE YOU STEPPING IN AND, UH, INTO VERY DIFFICULT POSITIONS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY YOU, YOU GET PAID THE BIG BUCKS, RIGHT? THE COLD LUNCH AND COVERED PARKING. BUT I TRULY APPRECIATE YOU STEPPING IN. UM, I, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, UH, FOR ALL THE REASONS STATED BY THE VICE CHAIR. AND ACTUALLY COMMISSIONER HERBERT TOOK MY NOTES RIGHT AWAY FROM ME. SO, UH, I THINK CONTEXT, UH, IS EVERYTHING ON THIS ONE. AND IN FACT, UH, VICE CHAIR RUBIN REFERENCED THIS, THAT THIS, THIS EXACT APPLICATION, UH, IN OTHER PARTS OF OAK CLIFF AND OTHER PARTS OF OUR CITY JUST WOULDN'T WORK. IT, IT, IT WOULD BE, IT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION, UH, THIS ONE, UH, BECAUSE OF WHERE IT IS IN, UH, IN ITS PROXIMITY TO THE BISHOP ARTS AND WHAT BISHOP ARTS HAS BECOME. UH, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE. I THINK THE WIDTH OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, HELPS, MAKES THIS CASE. UH, AND FINALLY IT'S FOR AN SUP. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW AROUND THIS BODY THAT APPLICANTS ABSOLUTELY HATE SUVS BECAUSE SUVS GIVES ALL THE LEVERAGE TO, TO THIS SIDE. IT GIVES ALL THE LEVERAGE TO THE COMMUNITY, AND IT, IT BASICALLY SAYS TO THE APPLICANT, YOU BETTER DO A GOOD JOB. AND IF YOU DON'T DO A GOOD JOB AND YOU MISBEHAVE AND YOU'RE NOT A GOOD NEIGHBOR, THEN UH, EVERYTHING IS AT RISK. AND THAT SUP WILL GO AWAY AND THEY HAVE GONE AWAY. THIS BODY HAS NOT BEEN SHY ABOUT GOING AFTER SUVS. UH, SO WITH, FOR ALL THOSE REASONS, I THINK THIS IS AN ADEQUATE LAND USE. UH, THE APPLICANT IS WHO THE APPLICANT IS, AND I, YOU KNOW, UH, 99.9% OF THESE CASES, WE DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS. UH, AND FOR ME IT'S IRRELEVANT WHO THE APPLICANT IS. IT IS, IS A, IT'S A LAND USE ISSUE, AND THAT IS THE LANDS THAT I LOOKED AT IT. UM, ANY ADVICE CHAIR, RUBIN, SECOND ROUND, SIR? YEAH, I DO JUST NEED TO MAKE A, A QUICK SECOND ROUND BECAUSE I, I THINK SOME THINGS WERE SAID, UM, BY, BY MY COLLEAGUE THAT I, I VERY RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO PUT THEM ON THE RECORD, UM, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THINGS I, I JUST NEED TO MAKE THESE POINTS ON THE RECORD. FIRST OFF, THIS IS NOT A UNICORN OF A CASE. UM, THIS IS WHAT WE DO EVERY CPC MEETING, MULTIPLE TIMES A MEETING. WE LOOK AT, AT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, WE CREATE SUB-DISTRICTS, WE TWEET, WE, WE TWEAK SUB-DISTRICTS, YOU KNOW, IN EXISTING SUVS AND COMPLICATED SUVS AND SIMPLE SUVS. THIS IS WHAT WE DO, UM, ON A VERY REGULAR BASIS. AND WE HAVE DONE IT, YOU KNOW, CAREFULLY AND, AND THREAD HERE. SECOND, I, I REALLY [03:30:01] DO APPRECIATE THE, THE MEMBERS OF THE KIDS SPRINGS COMMUNITY WHO HAVE SHOWN UP AND, YOU KNOW, VOICE THEIR OPINION. AND, YOU KNOW, WE DID TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT VERY MUCH IN DECIDING TO GO WITH AN SUP HERE AND WHAT SOME OF THE CONDITIONS ARE ON THIS SUP RATHER THAN GOING WITH STRAIGHT ZONING. UM, I THINK IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING FOR THE RECORD THAT WE DID RECEIVE QUITE A BIT OF CORRESPONDENCE AND SUPPORT. WE RECEIVED BALLOTS IN SUPPORT FROM PEOPLE IN THE NOTIFICATION AREA, INCLUDING ON THE NEARBY, UM, RESIDENTIAL STREETS. UM, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST ZANG, BUT I THINK, UM, ELSBETH AND, AND MADISON AS WELL. AND, AND FINALLY ON, YOU KNOW, THE NON-CONFORMING USE THAT IS A, UM, LEGAL TERM THAT REFERS TO A VERY SPECIFIC SITUATION WHERE SOMETHING HAD A RIGHT TO OPERATE LEGALLY AND THE ZONING CHANGE, NO LONGER GIVING IT THE LEGAL RIGHT THERE. AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO ALL THE INTRICACIES OF THE STR SITUATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE SHOULD BE VERY HESITANT TO START MAKING LEGAL CHARACTERIZATIONS HERE ABOUT NON-CONFORMING AND NON-CONFORMING USES. WITH THAT. THANK YOU, AND I HOPE YOU'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, FORESIGHT? I DESERVE A FOLLOW UP ON THAT. PLEASE. I DESERVE A FOLLOW UP BECAUSE I, I WROTE IT DOWN EXACTLY WHAT STAFF SAID. THEY SAID THAT THE UNDERLYING CORE BASED ZONING FOR THE, THE WR THREE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR THIS, UH, 4 68, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, THE UNDERLYING CORE BASED ZONING IS TWO CATEGORIES. ONE CATEGORY IS THAT OVERNIGHT LODGING IS NOT ALLOWED IN WR THREE. SO NOW YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT THIS PROPERTY IS NOT IN WR THREE. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN OPERATING BY THE RULES OF WR THREE, AND IT HASN'T BEEN SINCE 2017 OVER. WE, WE'VE LEARNED TODAY THAT OVER HALF OF THE UNITS HAVE BEEN CONSISTENTLY RENTED OUT ON A SHORT TERM RENTAL BASIS, WHICH IS NOT ALLOWED IN THIS WR THREE. SO THAT IS A NON-CONFORMING USE. FORGIVE ME. AND, AND SECOND OF ALL, WE ARE MAKING EXCEPTIONS. WE'RE REWRITING THE RULES FOR WHAT A BOUTIQUE HOTEL IS TO MAKE IT SPECIFICALLY CONFORM TO THE NEEDS FOR THIS DEVELOPER. AND I, I, I, I REALLY SUGGEST THAT THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE. YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THIS, THE CO FOR THIS PROPERTY WAS FOR IT TO BE MULTIFAMILY. AND, AND, AND, AND IF WE, UH, DO NOT PASS THIS TODAY, AND IF OUR US SDO OR ORDINANCE IS UPHELD UP, WHICH I HOPE ULTIMATELY IT WILL BE, THEN THE DEVELOPER, THE OWNER WILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO, UH, ROOTING THIS OUT FOR MULTIFAMILY, FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE THERE ON A FULL-TIME BASIS, WHICH IS WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS, AND WHICH THE UNDERLYING ZONING FOR THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT CALLS FOR. SO, UH, I, I, I DO STRENUOUSLY OBJECT TO THE TERMINOLOGY AND THE PHRASEOLOGY THAT WAS JUST PRESENTED BY THE VICE CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THIRD ROUND? YES, THAT'S TRUE. OUR CITY CODE PRIOR TO THE PASSAGE. PARDON? IS THAT COMMISSIONER HERBERT? NOPE. I'LL LET, NOPE, I'LL LET CO-CHAIR HANDLE IT. THANK YOU, SIR. PLEASE. OUR CITY CODE PRIOR TO THE PASSAGE OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE IN 23 OR 24, I FORGET THE YEAR, DID NOT LIMIT OR RESTRICT THE DEATH DURATION FOR HOW LONG SOMEONE COULD RENT OUT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR AN APARTMENT IN THE CITY. THAT'S WHY WE DID IN 2023 OR 2024. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HERBERT. IT'S JUST FOR PUBLIC AWARENESS, RIGHT? EVERY PD WE'VE ADDRESSED AND APPROVED EVERY SUP THAT HAVE COMES ACROSS US, UM, ESPECIALLY IN MY DISTRICT WITH TOPOGRAPHY AND CREEKS AND SO MUCH, WE RECREATE, EDIT, WORK HARD AT MAKING SURE THE LANGUAGE IS THERE AS CITY PLAN COMMISSIONERS, AND WE PRESENT THAT TO COUNCIL. SO IT IS OUR JOB TO BE CREATIVE, TO MAKE SURE THINGS FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AS I HEARD FROM THE DISTRICT, THIS IS A CHILD OF THEIR DISTRICT, THIS IS WHY THEY'RE SUPPORTING IT. SO THEY ASK FOR A CREATIVE METHOD HERE. UM, BUT IT'S A PART OF OUR JOB PUBLIC TO CREATE POLICY, NOT POLICY, BUT CREATE STANDARDS THAT FIT THE COMMUNITY AS IT EVOLVES AND CONTINUES. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, UM, FOR THE PUBLIC'S SAKE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER RUBINSON BY COMMISSIONER NIGHTINGALE TO FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL [03:35:01] FOR USE OF DISTRICT SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND AN SUP FOUR. WHAT WAS THE TIME PERIOD? WAS IT FOUR YEAR? FOUR YEAR PERIOD, SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN CONDITIONS AS WELL AS THE OTHER CONDITIONS AS READ INTO THE RECORD BY, UH, VICE CHAIR RUBIN. AND WE WILL TAKE A RECORD, PLEASE. UH, DISTRICT ONE HAS A CONFLICT. UH, DISTRICT TWO IS ABSENT. DISTRICT THREE A, DISTRICT FOUR? NO. DISTRICT FIVE? YES. DISTRICT SIX? YES. DISTRICT SEVEN. OKAY. DISTRICT EIGHT A DISTRICT NINE, DISTRICT 10. I'M SORRY, SIR. I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. YES, THANK YOU. DISTRICT 11. AYE. DISTRICT 12. AYE. DISTRICT 13? YES. DISTRICT 14. THAT'S IN AND PLACE. 15. YES. ONE, UH, SHE, UH, MOTION PASSES. IT IS 4 33. LET'S TAKE A QUICK 10 MINUTE BREAK. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, IT'S, UH, 2 53. UH, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. SO WE'RE BACK ON RECORD. JORGE WILL BE RECORDING. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER SHAIDE, UH, CHAIR SHAIDE AND COMMISSIONER CHER HAVE CONFLICTS. SO THEY, THEY'VE STEPPED OUT, OF COURSE, UH, AND I'VE BEEN ASKED TO, UH, SIT IN THIS ROLE, SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME. UH, [13. 25-1211A An application for 1) a new subdistrict on property zoned Subdistrict 1 within Planned Development District No. 830, the Davis Street Special Purpose District; and 2) a Specific Use Permit for a boutique hotel on the east line of North Bishop Avenue, between West Neely Street and West Davis Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval of 1) a new subdistrict, subject to conditions; and 2) a Specific Use Permit for a four-year period, subject to a site plan and conditions. Applicant: 620 N Bishop, LLC Representative: Audra Buckley, Permitted Development Planner: Connor Roberts Council District: 1 Z234-121(CR)] NEXT CASE IS Z 2 34. 1 21. AND WE'LL BRIEF IT. THANK YOU. OKAY, ITEM 13 IS KZ 2 34 1 21. AN APPLICATION FOR ONE IN NEW SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONES. SUBDISTRICT, ONE WITH IMPLANTED ON DISTRICT NUMBER EIGHT 30, THE DAVIS STREET SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT. AND TWO, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A BOUTIQUE HOTEL ON THE EAST LINE OF NORTH BISHOP AVENUE BETWEEN WEST NELLY STREET AND WEST DAVIS STREET. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF ONE, A NEW SUBDISTRICT SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS, AND TWO, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A FOUR YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU. UH, JORGE, I THINK WE HAVE A WELCOME BACK. MS. BUCKLEY . AUDRA BUCKLEY. 1414 BELLEVUE STREET, SUITE ONE 50, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5. THE, UH, REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APPLICANT ON THIS CASE. THIS IS OVER IN BISHOP ARTS, RIGHT OFF OF NORTH BISHOP. COME ON. WELL, THERE WE GO. THIS HAS ALSO BEEN A MULTI LEASE, UH, PRODUCT SINCE IT WAS JUST ABOUT, SINCE IT WAS BUILT IN THE, THE ORIGINAL, I BELIEVE THERE WAS A FLORIST ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND MULTIFAMILY ABOVE. AND THEN THERE WAS A CO ISSUED FOR AN OFFICE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. UH, MOST RECENTLY IT'S BEEN AN 80% 14 DAY RENTAL. ON THIS ONE, WE JUST WANT TO GO FULL BOUTIQUE HOTEL WITH THE ONE TO 14 CONSECUTIVE DAYS. UH, AGAIN, THIS IS TENANTS, UH, AS FAR AS PROFESSIONALS, TRAVELING, NURSES, FAMILY MEMBERS OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS AREA. AND THIS, AGAIN, IS ANOTHER ONE THAT IS PROVIDING A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO STAY, STAY THAT WANT TO COME AND TOUR AND WALK AROUND AND SHOP IN BISHOP ARTS. AND THIS ONE IS MUCH CLOSER TO BISHOP ARTS. IT'S, UH, NOT A FULL BLOCK AWAY FROM DAVIS STREET. SO YOU'VE GOT A TWO MINUTE WALK. AND HERE'S YOUR SITE PLAN OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE IS A BOUTIQUE HOTEL BY SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. [03:40:01] AND THIS WOULD REQUIRE THE CREATION OF SUBDISTRICT ONE C. AND FOR THIS ONE, WE WOULD RESTRICT THE NUMBER OF UNITS TO NINE. WE WOULD HAVE KITCHENS PERMITTED IN THE GUEST ROOMS, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE EXTERNAL ENTRY FOR 100% OF THE ROOMS BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY IT'S CONSTRUCTED. AND A MINIMUM OF SIX PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED. AND THE OPERATIONS FOR THIS ONE IS THE SAME AS THE OPERATIONS FOR THE OTHER. AND IT, AND IT'S NOTABLE TO ADD THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IN BOTH OF THESE CASES HAVE PEOPLE ON PAYROLL. THESE ARE NOT PEOPLE WHO ARE SUBBED OUT. SO THE PROPERTY MANAGER, SECURITY, MAINTENANCE, THE CLEANING CREW, EVERYBODY IS PAYROLL. THIS IS THE SUPPORT MAP. THE APPLICANT WAS VERY, UH, ADAMANT ABOUT GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD HIMSELF AND GETTING SIGNATURES. AND WE GOT THOSE, I BELIEVE WE SENT SOME OF THOSE TO YOU. THE ONE IN, IN PURPLE OVER THERE IS, IS COMMISSIONER SHEDS . AND WE DID KEEP THE SIGNS POSTED. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, I DID WANNA POINT OUT IS I HEARD THEM SAY ABOUT THE CULTURAL ARTS DISTRICT, THIS, THESE ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE BOUNDARY AND THE BOUNDARY IS DAVIS STREET, BUT WITHOUT BOUTIQUE HOTELS OR HOTELS OR LODGING OF SOME KIND THAT THEY CAN ADVERTISE AND SAY, HEY, WE DO HAVE, UH, LODGING AVAILABLE, UH, FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME VISIT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE REALLY WANTING US TO PURSUE AND, AND HAVE APPROVED SO THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY ADVERTISE THAT. YES, WE DO HAVE HOTELS IN THE AREA AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM. THIS ONE TO ME IS, UH, EVEN BETTER THAN THE ONE BEFORE, JUST BECAUSE WE CAN KEEP THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL AND IT'S WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE WITHIN TWO MINUTES. IT'S NOT EVEN A FULL BLOCK AWAY FROM THE BISHOP ARTS BOUNDARY. ALRIGHT, THAT WAS PERFECT. THANK YOU. MS. BECKLEY, DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION HERE? HELLO, MY NAME IS ROB SHEAR, EIGHT 30 WOODLAWN, UH, DALLAS, TEXAS. I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE KID SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU GUYS AGAIN. UH, I THINK IT'S WORTH NOTING, UH, WHAT DIDN'T COME UP THE LAST TIME. UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER BUILT THIS BUILDING, BUILT IT TO TO HAVE APARTMENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEN HAS SINCE DECIDED THAT IT IS MORE PROFITABLE TO RENT IT BY DAY THAN IT IS TO RENT IT BY MONTH. THIS IS THE CHALLENGE THAT WE'VE GOT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS, UH, A WHOLE LOT OF DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE ON WHAT HAS BEEN SEMI HISTORIC OR SEMI AFFORDABLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOW INCREASINGLY UNAFFORDABLE FOR OUR NEIGHBORS. UH, I THINK IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING THIS IS NOT IN BISHOP ARTS. THIS IS IN KID SPRINGS. BISHOP ARTS IS ACROSS THE STREET. IT'S SOUTH OF DAVIS WHERE LODGING WOULD BE PERMITTED IF A PROPERTY OWNER WANTED TO BUILD A BOUTIQUE HOTEL. IF THERE IS DEMAND FOR A BOUTIQUE HOTEL, THERE IS LAND THAT IS AVAILABLE AND THERE IS USE THAT IS ALLOWED FOR ANY OF THE DEVELOPERS IN BISHOP ARTS TO CREATE IT. BUT THIS IS NOT IN BISHOP ARTS, THIS IS IN KIDS SPRINGS. IT'S A PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'RE WORKING VERY HARD TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. OTHER SPEAKERS? I, HI, I'M STILL PAM CONWAY. I DID SEND YOU SOME THINGS AND I WON'T TELL YOU IT'S A VERY PROFESSIONAL JOB BECAUSE IT'S NOT, I MOVED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN IT WAS NOT NAMED, EVEN MOVED THERE IN 1977 AND WAS GREETED BY PEOPLE WELCOMING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WITH PETITIONS IN HAND WHERE THEY WERE WORKING ON FARMING A NEIGHBORHOOD AND WITH THE INTENT OF CHANGING THE ZONING BECAUSE IT WAS ALL UP ZONED IN THE SIXTIES AND THEY WANTED TO BRING IT DOWN JUST LIKE WINNETKA HEIGHTS DID, AND EAST DALLAS DID. SO PD ONE 60 CAME ABOUT AND IT STOOD US IN GOOD STEAD UNTIL PD EIGHT 30 CAME IN WHEN A GROUP OF INVESTORS CAME IN AND DID A VERY LARGE AREA AND INCLUDED TAKING BISHOP OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. [03:45:02] AND THEY MADE IT PD EIGHT 30 SUB AREA. ONE HAD SOME INTERESTING CHARACTERISTICS. ONE OF THE THINGS WAS THEY HAD A USE MIXED USED RESIDENTIAL PROJECT. AND IF YOU'LL NOTICE ON THERE, I PUT IN THE DEFINITION FOR IT. SO YOU'D MAKE SURE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT SAYS. MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL PROJECT MEANS A DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS STREET LEVEL NON-RESIDENTIAL USES, AND THOSE USES ARE LIMITED TO OFFICE AND KICK SHOP AND, UH, ART GALLERY, WHICH IS STRANGE, TIME IS LIMITED. 7:30 AM TO 6:30 PM THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE LOGIC IS THOSE PLACES ARE DOWNSTAIRS OPEN IN THE DAYTIME. THE APARTMENT PEOPLE ABOVE IT ARE THERE AT NIGHT. SO YOU DON'T NEED AS MUCH PARKING. WELL, IN FACT, IT WAS BUILT WITH NINE UNITS, BUT THERE WAS ONLY ONE HALF OF THE DOWNSTAIRS THAT WAS PUT HIS OFFICE AND IT DIDN'T STAY. AND IN FACT, THE APARTMENTS DIDN'T STAY. THEY'RE ALL LISTED AS AIRBNBS. NOW YOU HAVE IN HERE A LIST, AND I DIDN'T DO THIS RIGHT, I'M SORRY TO SAY NUMBER TWO, IF I DESTROY THE MICROPHONE. THIS IS PUT OUT ON, ON AIRBNB LIST. ALL NINE UNITS ARE LISTED ALL NINE, AND YOU HAVE COPIES OF EACH ONE OF THEM. SO YOU CAN SEE THIS SAYS UNIT ONE, AND YOU GO ON AND THERE'S UNIT TWO. WHERE I MADE THE MISTAKE IS I DIDN'T COPY THE WHOLE THING ON HERE, WHICH I SHOULD HAVE. I DO HAVE THE ORIGINAL HERE. AND THE INTERESTING PART IS THEY HAVE DIFFERENT OCCUPANCIES. NUMBER SEVEN ALLOWS SIX PEOPLE. YOUR TIME IS UP ALREADY. YES, MA'AM. WELL, I'M ASKING YOU TO DENY THIS. THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER THINGS ON HERE THAT ARE PROBLEM THE LAND USE. THAT'S HOW IT'S BEING USED. ALL RIGHT. BUT THE, BUT THOSE ARE NON-CONFORMING ON THERE. TWO OF 'EM. THANK, THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. OH, JUST TURNED IT OFF. HI, MY NAME IS LAURA PALMER , NINE 11 NORTH MADISON AVENUE. UM, I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ONE AS WELL. PD EIGHT 30 SUBDISTRICT ONE EXPLICITLY EXCLUDES LODGING. THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS. AGAIN, AT THE TIME, WE DID NOT WANT LODGING ON NORTH BISHOP AVENUE. PROVISIONS WERE MADE IN SUB-DISTRICT THREE, WHICH IS THE EAST GARDEN DISTRICT SOUTH OF DAVIS THAT WOULD ALLOW BMBS AND BOUTIQUE HOTELS BY SUP. BISHOP ARTS CAN HAVE BOUTIQUE HOTELS. RIGHT NOW, THEY DO NOT NEED A BOUTIQUE HOTEL IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. KIDS SPRINGS. THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT HAS NEVER BEEN OPERATED TRULY PURSUANT TO THE CODE. AS MY NEIGHBOR PAM WAS NOTING. THE OFFICE REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE ZONING RIGHT NOW WERE NEVER TRULY IMPLEMENTED AND THEY'VE CONVERTED THAT SPACE INTO RESIDENTIAL. SO THIS REQUEST IS A DEVELOPER WHO IS ASKING YOU TO COME AND HE HA HE'S NOT BEEN MEETING THE CODE. SO HE'S ASKING YOU TO CHANGE THE CODE SO HE CAN THEN MEET THE CODE. THAT ISN'T RIGHT. WE KNOW THAT IF SOMEONE ISN'T FOLLOWING THE RULES, DO WE CHANGE THE RULES? SO THEN HE'S OKAY, THAT'S NOT RIGHT. THAT'S NOT RIGHT TO DO TO A NEIGHBORHOOD WHO SPENT HOURS AND DAYS NEGOTIATING THIS. AND I'M SORRY, IT'S ON THE BORDER. WE HAVE BORDERS. WE PROTECT [03:50:01] OUR BORDERS BECAUSE IF YOU ALLOW THIS AND NEXT YEAR WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE AND YOU'RE GONNA TELL US, OH, IT'S ONLY A BLOCK INTO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU SHOULD ALLOW THAT. NO, WE ESTABLISHED OUR BOUNDARIES AND WE ASK YOU TO SUPPORT OUR BOUNDARIES AND THE ZONING THAT WE AGREED TO PUT HERE. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? UH, HI AGAIN. JAMES K ICK. UH, AT SEVEN 20 ELSBETH STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 8. ALSO TREASURER OF THE KID SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I PRETTY SIMPLY, THIS IS LISTED AS THE BISHOP ARTS HOTEL. IT'S IN KID SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ARE NOT BISHOP ARTS, WE'RE NOT LISTED AS BISHOP ARTS ANYWHERE. AND I DON'T THINK THAT, UH, THAT MAKES SENSE. AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD SUPPORT THIS. AND THAT'S IT. ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? DO WE HAVE ONE ONLINE? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, MS. BUCKLEY, YOU HAVE A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL. I BELIEVE I DO. UH, AT THE TIME THIS, THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT, UH, THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL WAS ALWAYS PART OF IT. IT WAS PART OF THE PRO FORMA FROM DAY ONE. AND THAT IS, UH, HOW THIS IS OPERATED. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME LONG TERM TENANTS THERE IN THE PAST, BUT IN THE LONGER THIS GOES, THE MORE IT BECOMES THE SHORT TERM, THE ONE TO 14 DAY. AND WE'VE HAD PEOPLE WHO DURING ICE STORMS AND WHATNOT, YOU KNOW, NEED A PLACE TO STAY WHILE THEY'RE GETTING THEIR HOUSE WORKED ON. THIS IS WHERE THEY GET, UM, THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE COME AND BOOK FOR CONVENTIONS. YOU KNOW, THEY GET WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THEY SCHEDULE AND THEY BOOK SOMETIMES THIS ONE IN ADDITION TO ZANG. AT THE SAME TIME, IF THEY'RE COMING IN, THERE'S ONE NOW THAT'S COMING IN FOR A LITERARY, THIS IS SURROUNDED BY, ON EACH SIDE OF IT AND ACROSS THE STREET BY COMMERCIAL. SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE IS NOT ANYTHING THAT'S INTRUDING INTO THE RESIDENTIAL. IT'S, IT'S FOR, IT'S, IT'S FACING AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL, IT'S FACING BISHOP ARTS, IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT IN THAT WAY. SO THIS IS, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD LIKES. UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT, THAT PEOPLE USE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND WHATEVER ELSE. SO I, I WOULD DISAGREE THAT THIS IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE LAND USE OR AN INAPPROPRIATE LAND USE FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION. UH, IF ANYTHING TO ME IS MORE, UM, MORE REASONABLE HERE THAN ANYWHERE ELSE, SO, AND IT MAY BE ALLOWED IN BISHOP ARTS DISTRICT ITSELF ACROSS DAVIS, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYBODY, UH, TRYING TO PUT SOMETHING FORWARD IN BISHOP ARTS AND THERE'S A NEED FOR THIS USE. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT? SO WHEN THE, UH, BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT, UH, COULD YOU HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WERE THE CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY THAT WERE ISSUED FOR, FOR THIS BUILDING? THIS WAS A, A MIXED USE THAT HAD THE OFFICE ON THE FIRST FLOOR, AND THEN IT HAD MULTIFAMILY ABOVE. AND AT ONE POINT, I THINK THERE WAS A FLORAL, UH, BUSINESS IN THE FIRST YEAR. SO THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THIS BUILDING, IT WAS, WAS, WAS, UH, THE, THIS MULTI-USE RESIDENTIAL PROJECT WAS THAT IT WAS TO BE OFFICE OR RETAIL ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THEN RESIDENTIAL ABOVE? WELL, NOW THE CO THE CO HAS BEEN SINCE 2016, A CO FOR MULTIFAMILY AND THEN A SEPARATE CO FOR OFFICE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. RIGHT. AND, AND, UM, WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT ONLY ONE OF ONE OFFICE SPACE ON THE FIRST FLOOR HAS, HAS ACTUALLY BEEN USED AS OFFICE AND THE REST OF THE FIRST FLOOR HAS BEEN USED AS RESIDENTIAL. CORRECT. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. AND, UM, AND THE, BUT THE CO WAS FOR MULTIFAMILY, [03:55:01] BUT FROM THE BEGINNING YOU REALLY HAVEN'T RENTED IT OUT ON A LONG-TERM BASIS? WELL, WE HAD BOTH. WE HAD A COUPLE OF UNITS THAT WERE LONG TERM AND THE REST WERE SHORT TERM. BUT SHORT TERM WAS ALWAYS PART OF THE PROFORMA. SO IT'S STRS WERE ALLOWED BACK THEN. SO IT WASN'T LIKE IT WAS A, IT'S A, IT'S A WEIRD AREA 'CAUSE YOU DON'T REALLY WANNA CALL IT A NON-CONFORMING USE OR A CONFORMING USE. SO I HEAR A LOT OF THAT THIS, BUT STR WERE LEGAL WHEN THIS STARTED. SO THIS IS PROVIDING SOMETHING THAT BISHOP ARTS DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF YOU DON'T SEE HOTELS OVER THERE, THEY'RE LOSING MONEY. THE BUSINESSES WANT THIS TO STAY BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING THAT FOOT TRAFFIC, THEY'RE GETTING THAT BUSINESS FROM THE PEOPLE WHO COME IN HERE. SO THERE IS DEFINITELY AN ECONOMIC ADVANTAGE TO THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST TO THE DEVELOPER, BUT TO THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS QUESTION IS FOR YOU OR FOR STAFF, BUT I'D LIKE TO REPEAT THE SAME QUESTION THAT I ASKED EARLIER. WHAT IS THE UNDERLYING, UH, ZONING FOR, FOR THIS SUB SUBDISTRICT? FOR, FOR, FOR PD EIGHT 30. OKAY. LET'S, UH, WE, WE WILL HAVE AN, UH, A CHANCE FOR QUESTIONS FROM STAFF HERE IN JUST A FEW MINUTES. IF YOU CAN, IF YOU'LL HOLD OFF ON THAT. YOU COULD JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. OH, I WILL DO . ALRIGHT. I APOLOGIZE. I'VE JUST BEEN REMINDED THAT I NEGLECTED TO SAY, ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT? WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE? YES. AND MY APOLOGIES. HELLO, MY NAME IS MARY . I LIVE AT 2060 ADRIAN COURT, WASHINGTON, HOUSEKE, TEXAS 7 5 1 6 5. I MANAGE BOTH OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. UM, WHEN I FIRST STARTED THERE, I'VE BEEN THERE FOR NOW FOR SIX YEARS AS A FIRST, WHEN I FIRST STARTED, I, I STARTED AS A CLEANER AND THE OWNER HAS SEEN SOMETHING IN ME, UM, FOR ME TO GROW. NOW I RUN BOTH OF THE PROPERTIES BY MYSELF AND I HAVE A FULL STAFF. I HAVE SIX CLEANING LADIES, I HAVE THREE MAINTENANCE GUYS, AND I HAVE, UM, PART-TIME SECURITY, 24 HOUR SERVICE WITH, UM, A SOFTWARE THAT WE USE IS GOING 24 7, NEVER STOP. SO IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY OR CONTACT, ANYTHING, THEY COULD BE ABLE TO REACH US. UM, THE OWNER ALWAYS HAS SUPPORTED ALL OF THE STAFF. EVEN THE MOTHERS THAT HAVE KIDS ONLY CAN WORK BETWEEN THE HOURS 11 AND THREE. MY SCHEDULE IS FROM 8:00 AM TO 11:00 PM EVERY DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, ALL YEAR ROUND. UM, OVER THE YEARS WE HAVE OVER, UH, 40,000 GUESTS THAT CAME OVER TO THE BISHOP ARTS AND THE BARTEL LOFTS. UM, WE USUALLY GET A WHOLE LOT OF STAFF BETWEEN THE STATE FAIR TIME AND OTHER EVENTS THAT THEY HAVE IN THE BISHOP ARTS DISTRICT. UM, I, I, SORRY. NERVOUS . UH, MOST OF THE JOBS OFFER WHEN YOU WORK AND YOU'RE A PART-TIME MOM, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SCHEDULES FOR YOUR KIDS. UM, HE DOESN'T ALLOW THAT IF THE KIDS ARE SICK OR ANYTHING, HE LETS US BRING THE KIDS OR ANYTHING. THERE'S NEVER A QUESTION THAT HE NEVER SUPPORTED US. UM, WE ARE A FULL STAFF AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT IF Y'ALL DID PASS IT, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF FAMILIES THAT ARE INVOLVED HERE. SEVEN CLEANERS, THREE FULL-TIME MAINTENANCE, AND 24 HOUR SERVICE. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. IF Y'ALL DID. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKER IN SUPPORT? OKAY, SCENE, NONE. UH, WE'LL GO BACK TO, UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE, UH, APPLICANT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY, SCENE NONE. DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE OPPOSITION? COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT? LAURA, WOULD YOU MIND COMING BACK DOWN? THANK YOU. HI, LAURA. LAURA, WE, WE JUST HEARD THE APPLICANT SAY THAT THE, UH, PROPERTY HAS BEEN MAINLY USED AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL. YES. BUT THAT WAS PART OF THEIR QUOTE UNQUOTE PROFORMA MODEL IN BUILDING THAT. UH, AND, AND SHE ALSO STATED, UH, ACCORDING TO MY NOTES, UH, THAT IT, UH, THE, THE SHORT TERM RENTALS AT AT, AT THIS LOCATION IS NOT AN INAPPROPRIATE LAND USE. IT'S INAPPROPRIATE. IS IT ALSO NON-CONFORMING [04:00:01] THOUGH, TOO? IT, IT IS. RIGHT. SO, UM, HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND. UH, SHE, SHE SAID THAT SDRS WERE LEGAL AS FD SDRS. IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR, IN THIS PARTICULAR PD, WE EXPLICITLY EXCLUDE LODGING. OKAY. SO, SO IT'S SHORT TERM ARE LODGING. RIGHT? QUESTION. I BELIEVE THAT THE DISTINCTION THAT HAS BEEN MADE IS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT STR WERE LEGAL OR NOT. BEFORE THE ORDINANCE WAS PASSED IN 2024. THERE IS ARGUMENT THAT THIS WAS AN ILLEGAL LAND USE AT THAT TIME, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE CODE SAID. THAT IS PART OF, AND I WON'T GO INTO IT 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S PART OF AN ONGOING COURT CASE. OKAY. BUT OUR POSITION IS IF IT'S A DUCK, IF IT QUACKS LIKE A DUCK, ACTS LIKE A DUCK. IT'S A DUCK. THIS WAS ALWAYS BUILT TO BE A HOTEL. THEY HAVE EVEN GONE IN AND ADDED A SIGN THAT SAYS BISHOP ARTS HOTEL. THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THAT THROUGH A LOOP LOOPHOLE, THROUGH THE SIGN ORDINANCE AND SO FORTH LIKE THAT. BUT IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN THEIR BUSINESS PLAN TO MAKE THIS A HOTEL REGARDLESS OF WHAT PD EIGHT 30 SUBDISTRICT ONE SAYS. DOES THAT, DID I ANSWER MORE OR DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? AND, AND, AND IT IS ALSO YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ENTIRE, ALL THE ROOMS IN THIS BUILDING HAVE BEEN RENTED OUT A SHORT TERM. ABSOLUTELY. WE, YOU CAN GO ON AND WE HAVE FOUND EVERY SINGLE UNIT ADVERTISED ON AIRBNB, EVERYONE, AND WE'RE TALKING MULTIPLE BEDROOMS, MULTIPLE PEOPLE, DIFFERENT, UH, NUMBERS OF OCCUPANCY. UM, UM, SO, AND I WOULD LIKE TO STRESS THERE IS RESIDENTIAL BEHIND THIS HOTEL. THIS IS NOT SOLELY IN A COMMERCIAL AREA. THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ABUT THIS. SO IT IS STILL IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU, LAURA. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? IF NOT, THEN, UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT? WELL, I DID WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT OTHER QUESTION THAT I ASKED EARLIER. UH, WHAT IS THE UNDERLYING ZONING FOR THIS PD EIGHT 30? UH, THE SUB-DISTRICT THAT, UH, THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY IN? YEAH, THE, THE PROPERTY IS IN SUBDISTRICT ONE A. THIS, UH, APPLICATION PROPOSES A NEW SUBDISTRICT, WHICH WOULD BE SUBDISTRICT ONE C. AND IN ONE C IT IS PROPOSED THAT BOUTIQUE HOTEL IS ALLOWED BY SUP CURRENTLY. THAT THAT'S, YEAH, IT'S SUBDISTRICT ONE NOW. AND THE PD HAS REGULATIONS FOR, FOR SUBDISTRICT ONE, THIS IS CREATING A NEW SUBDISTRICT. RIGHT. BUT I, WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS THE, THE, THE COS FOR THIS WERE ISSUED IN 2016, RIGHT? MM-HMM . APPROXIMATELY, RIGHT? SO THIS HAS BEEN OPERATING SINCE 2016 UNDER SUBDISTRICT ONE. MM-HMM . A I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY SUBDISTRICT ONE. OKAY. FORGIVE ME. SUBDISTRICT ONE FOR PD EIGHT 30. SO WHAT IS THE UNDERLYING ZONING THAT IT, THAT, THAT IT'S BEEN OPERATING UNDER SINCE 2016? SAY. SO THERE, THERE'S NOT AN UNDERLYING ZONING. THE ZONING IS PD EIGHT 30. THIS IS SUBDISTRICT ONE. SUBDISTRICT ONE ALLOWS MULTIFAMILY, WHICH THE PROPERTY WAS BUILT WITH MULTIFAMILY AND OPERATING AS MULTIFAMILY. IT'S NOT A NON-CONFORMING USE. AND I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IT'S THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND CODE COMPLIANCE. THAT WOULD BE THE DETERMINE, THE, DETERMINE THE PERSON DETERMINING WHETHER USE IS NON-CONFORMING OR NOT. THAT'S NOT BASED ON, BUT LOGIC IS A LAND USE, RIGHT? THE, THE LAND USE IS MULTIFAMILY. IF THEY WERE RENTING ON A SHORTER HOU, THE, THE ZONING CODE DOES NOT REGULATE THE RENTAL PERIODS FOR A MULTI-FAMILY USE. SO IT WAS OPERATING AS MULTI-FAMILY. THE CODE DOESN'T REGULATE SHORT OR LONG-TERM [04:05:01] RENTALS OF MULTI-FAMILY, BUT THE CODE DOES HAVE LODGING AS A LAND USE. IT DOES HAVE LOD. MY, SO MY QUESTION IS, IS LODGING A LAND USE THAT'S IN THE CODE FOR ONE, UH, SECTION ONE OF PD EIGHT 30? NO, THE USE IS NOT CURRENTLY ALLOWED. THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO ALLOW THE USE BY SUP. RIGHT? LIKE WITH ANY OTHER ZONING CHANGE, WE'RE ADDING A USE. I, I, I ASKED THIS QUESTION SO THAT WE COULD ALL BE CLEAR-EYED. OKAY. THAT, YOU KNOW, SINCE 2016, THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN OPERATING AS A NON-CONFORMING LAND. WELL, NO. AND AND IF I COULD PLEASE MAKE THAT CORRECTION. NOBODY OTHER, THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN THE WHO HAVE SPOKEN TODAY ARE ALLEGING A NON-CONFORMING USE THAT HAS NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED. IT, IT'S NOT A NON-CONFORMING USE. A NON-CONFORMING USE IS IF A USE IS ALLOWED, THE ZONING CHANGES AND NO LONGER ALLOWS THE USE AND THE USE KEEPS OPERATING. SO THAT'S REALLY NOT PART OF THE DISCUSSION TODAY. THERE'S NO NON-CONFORMING USE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE USE WAS ESTABLISHED AS MULTIFAMILY. AND PER THE ZONING CODE HAS BEEN OPERATING AS MULTIFAMILY. WE DON'T GET INVOLVED IN ARE THEY RENTING IT FOR ONE WEEK OR ARE THEY RENTING IT FOR ONE YEAR? IT'S LAND USE, NOT OPERATIONAL PROCEDURES THAT DICTATE HERE. YEAH. AND IF WE LOOK AT THE CODE FOR MULTIFAMILY IS LODGING USE, UH, A A A LAND USE THAT'S ALLOWED FOR MULTIFAMILY. THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT LAND USES. WE HAVE A MULTI-FAMILY, WHICH A RE WHICH IS A RESIDENTIAL USE, AND WE HAVE LODGING USES, AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR A LODGING USE TODAY. THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE ZONING DIS ZONING CASE. NO, THEY'RE ASKING, THEY'RE ASKING FOR THIS. SO, SO THEY CAN FINALLY BE CONFORMING. WELL, THAT'S NOT REALLY FOR US, US TO SAY THEY'RE HERE ASKING FOR SOMETHING. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WHAT YOU AS A BODY ARE CONSIDERING THEIR PROPOSAL. MR. CHAIR, I'LL JUST JUMP IN HERE REAL QUICK. UM, I'D LIKE TO REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT IT DOESN'T FALL UNDER THE POWERS AND DUTIES OF THIS COMMISSION TO MAKE DETERMINATIONS ON WHAT USES ARE CONFORMING AND WHAT USES ARE NON-CONFORMING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIN, NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. AND I'M SORRY, I, UH, WAS SUPPOSED TO ANNOUNCE THAT, UH, ASK IF ANYBODY HAD QUESTIONS OF THE SUPPORTER, BUT I SEE THAT SHE'S GONE. SO, UH, SO SEE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. UH, DO I HEAR A MOTION? UH, YES. UH, MR. TEMPORARY CHAIR OR WHATEVER THE APPROPRIATE REFERENCE IS. I'VE GOT A MOTION. AND AGAIN, UM, GIVE ME JUST A MOMENT TO MAKE SURE I'VE GOT MY MOTION WRITTEN OUT HERE. UM, IN THE CASE OF Z 2 34, 1 21, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE. IN ADDITION, ONE, WITHIN THE AREA OF REQUEST, A BOUTIQUE HOTEL MAY BE RENTED ON A DAILY, WEEKLY, OR MONTHLY BASIS. AND IT'S NOT LIMITED TO THE 14 CONSECUTIVE DAY MAXIMUM RENTAL REQUIREMENT. AND TWO, ADD AN SUP CONDITION, UM, THAT SAYS A QR CODE WITH A LINK TO REACH CUSTOMER SUPPORT MUST BE PROVIDED IN A PROMINENT PLACE ON THE BUILDING. OH, THANK YOU. SUBJECT FOR A FOUR YEAR PERIOD, SUBJECT TO CONDITION SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER RUBIN, DO I HEAR SECOND? OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO, UM, WHAT I'VE HEARD IS, UH, A MOTION THAT HAS BEEN SECONDED, UH, THAT WE APPROVE, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, AND ADD MONTHLY, WEEKLY, MONTHLY, WEEKLY, I MEAN, DAILY, MONTHLY, WEEKLY RENTALS. WE ADD A QR CODE. AND WHAT WAS THE FINAL? UH, THAT'S, UH, DAILY, WEEKLY, MONTHLY, AND IS NOT LIMITED TO THE 14 CONSECUTIVE DAY MAXIMUM RENTAL REQUIREMENT. OKAY. MM-HMM . AND YOU HAD ONE, YOU HAD ONE MORE AFTER THE QR CODE. UH, OH, THAT, THAT'S IT. THEN I JUST HAVE COMMENTS IF OKAY. SINCE I HAVE A SECOND. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIN. YEAH, I'M NOT GONNA GIVE ALL THE, THE SAME REMARKS THAT I GAVE ON THE, THE ZANE CASE, BUT, UM, THEY PRETTY MUCH EQUALLY APPLY HERE. UM, THE THING THAT I'LL ADD HERE IS, YOU KNOW, THIS STREET IS, IS NOT SIMPLY A, A RESIDENTIAL STREET. IT HAS, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL O OFFICE USES ON BOTH SIDES, WHICH, AND I THINK JUST LIKE THE PRIOR CASE WHERE IF THIS WAS ONE STREET OVER [04:10:01] ON MADISON OR ELSEBETH, IT WOULD'VE BEEN A, A VERY DIFFERENT QUESTION. UM, BUT AGAIN, BASED ON WHERE THIS IS SITUATED, I THINK IT'S, IT'S APPROPRIATE. AND IF FURTHER CASES COME ALONG ASKING FOR SIMILAR USES IN, IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, THEN I, I THINK WE WILL TAKE UP EACH OF THOSE CASES ON THEIR OWN MERIT. AND IT DOES NOT SET A PRECEDENT. SO I WON'T REPEAT EVERYTHING I SAID BEFORE, UM, WOULD HOPE THAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WOULD SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RUBIN. UH, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE A COMMENT? COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT? I'M ONLY MAKING THESE COMMENTS FOR THE RECORD BECAUSE I REALIZE THE, UH, THE DYE IS ALREADY CAST HERE. BUT, UH, IT HAS TO BE STATED THAT THIS CASE IS EVEN MORE EGREGIOUS THAN THE OTHER CASE BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THIS PROPERTY WAS GIVEN A CO IN 2016 FOR THE FIRST FLOOR TO BE AN OFFICE RETAIL COMPLEX AND FOR THE, UH, UH, UPPER LEVELS TO BE RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY. AND, AND IN THIS CASE, THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN OPERATED ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY, HAS A LO FOR A LODGING PURPOSE SINCE THE, THE BEGINNING IN 2016. AND I, I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE MAKING AN EXCEPTION HERE TO ALLOW SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN OPERATED ON A NON-CONFORMING BASIS NOW TO BECOME CONFORMING. AND WE'RE MAKING SPECIAL RULES HERE. YOU KNOW, THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE KID SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE IS RESIDENTIAL THAT IS, UH, RIGHT, UH, ALONG THE SOUTHERN PART OF THIS PROPERTY. AND, UM, UH, IT, IT, IT IS VERY CLEAR WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU HEAR THE PLANNER, THAT THE UNDERLYING ZONING FOR SUB-DISTRICT ONE AND AND PD EIGHT 30 IS MULTIFAMILY R IT IS NOT LODGING. AND, AND, AND, AND WE ARE ALLOWING IT TO BE USED FOR A LODGING PURPOSE. AND, AND, AND AGAIN, WE'RE MAKING SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS FOR ONE DEVELOPER AND, AND, AND, AND NOT DOING POLICY THAT IS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE NEEDS AND INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY. THAT IS, UH, KIDS SPRINGS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER RUBIN. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS THOSE ONLINE? SCENE? NONE. LET'S TAKE A RECORD. VOTE PLEASE. UH, DISTRICT TWO IS ABSENT. DISTRICT THREE AYE. DISTRICT FOUR? NO. DISTRICT SIX? YES. DISTRICT SEVEN. DISTRICT EIGHT. AYE. DISTRICT NINE. DISTRICT 10? YES. DISTRICT 11? YES. DISTRICT 12. AYE. DISTRICT 13? YES. DISTRICT 14 AND PLACE 15. YES. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS. THE, UH, VOTE PASSES. UH, NINE TO ONE. UH, WE CAN BRING, UH, THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS BACK IN. AND I RELINQUISH MY SEAT OF POWER. , YOU DID A GREAT JOB. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. [14. 25-1212A An application for the amendment and renewal of Specific Use Permit No. 1871 for the sale of alcoholic beverages in conjunction with a general merchandise or food store 3,500 square feet or less on property zoned a CR-D-1 Community Retail District with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay, on the northeast corner of Lake June Road and Holcomb Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a three-year period with eligibility for automatic renewal for additional three-year periods, subject to conditions. Applicant: Karim P. Rashid Representative: Robert Nunez Planner: Connor Roberts U/A From: March 6, 2025 and March 20, 2025. Council District: 5 Z234-165(CR)] UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE NOW MOVING ON TO, UH, CASE NUMBER 14. OUR CASE IS UNDER ADVISEMENT AND THAT ONE'S MINE. ALRIGHT, MS. WEER, WHENEVER WE'RE READY. ALRIGHT. ITEM CASE NUMBER 14 IS AN APPLICATION FOR THE AMENDMENT AND RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1871 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE, 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON PROPERTY ZONED A CR D ONE COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF LAKE JUNE ROAD AND HOLCOMB ROAD. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS [04:15:01] APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL THREE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS. THANK YOU MS. WEER. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? ANYONE ONLINE? NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34. 1 65. I'LL MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THE MATTER TO APRIL 24TH. AND A VERY BRIEF COMMENT IF I GET A SECOND. THANK YOU CHAIR. SHE DID YOU, UM, YOU HAVE A SECOND PROBATION CARPENTER. YOUR, YOUR COMMENT? UH, THANK YOU MR. RUBIN. UH, JUST THIS CASE, WE, WE'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFICULTY CONNECTING WITH THE APPLICANT'S REP AND, UM, HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, THE NEW EIGHT LINER ORDINANCE. APPARENTLY THAT THERE, THERE IS, UH, THE APPLICANT IS GONNA IRON OUT AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS ONE ON THE 24TH. GREAT. ANY OTHER, UH, DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE CHAIR, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER TO HOLD THE CASE UNTIL APRIL 24TH. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, SIR. [15. 25-1213A An application for an R-5(A) Single Family District on property zoned an A(A) Agricultural District, on the south line of South St. Augustine Road, east of Middlefield Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Lakeview Homes, LLP. Representative: Luke Spicer, P.E., CCM Engineering Planner: Teaseia Blue, MBA U/A From: February 20, 2025. Council District: 8 Z245-122(TB)] LET'S GO TO NUMBER 15 PLEASE. RIGHT. UH, NUMBER 15 IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTIES ZONED AND AA AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF ST. AUGUSTINE ROAD, EAST OF MIDDLETON ROAD. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE HEARD? UH, OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS? SEEING NONE, UH, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? I DO. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 45 DASH 1 22, I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MAY 8TH, 2025. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY COMMENTS? UH, JUST A QUICK COMMENT. WE'RE STILL TRYING TO COORDINATE A COMMUNITY MEETING. UH, WE'LL GET THAT DOWN IN SHORT ORDER AND HOPEFULLY HAVE A MOTION BEFORE YOU ON MAY 8TH. THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. [16. 25-1214A An application for a Specific Use Permit for a vehicle display, sales, and service use on property zoned Subarea 2, within Planned Development District No. 366, the Buckner Boulevard Special Purpose District with a D-1 Dry Liquor Control Overlay, on the west line of Conner Drive, south of Bruton Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval of a five-year period, subject to a site plan and conditions. Applicant: Daniel Marquez/Laura Marquez Representative: Isai Marquez Planner: LeQuan Clinton U/A From: March 20, 2025. Council District: 5 Z245-125(LC)] CASE NUMBER 16, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT VICE CHAIR RUBIN HAS A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM. UH, MS. MORRISON, WAIT, THIS IS ACTUALLY MY CASE. SHOULD I GO AHEAD AND JUST CHAIR IT OR HAVE THE VERY CAPABLE COMMISSIONER HALL RUNNING FOR US? IS THAT WHAT SURE. LIKE TO PASS ON THE BATON OF MS. HALL. COMMISSIONER HALL CAN, UH, PRESIDE OVER THE CASE IF YOU'D LIKE. MR. CHAIR? YES, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER HALL, IF YOU DON'T MIND. FINE. THANK YOU SIR. OKAY, WE'RE GOING. UH, CASE NUMBER 16 Z 2 45 1 25. YOU'RE GONNA BE READ INTO THE RECORD. YES. UM, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE USE ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA TWO WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 360 6, THE BUCKNER BOULEVARD SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE WEST LINE OF CONNOR DRIVE SOUTH OF BRUTON ROAD. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS CASE? ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION OR SUPPORT SCENE? NONE. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OH, I'M SORRY. PLEASE, IF YOU'LL PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YES MAAM. AND ARE YOU SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION? SUPPORT. SUPPORT. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS GLADYS MARQUEZ. THANK YOU FOR THE COMMISSION AND THE PLANNING STAFF TODAY. I'M HERE WITH MY BROTHER ON, UH, ISAI AND MY DAD, DANIEL MARQUEZ, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY FOR 2027 CARNER DRIVE, UM, DALLAS, TEXAS. UM, AND, UM, I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE SUP. UM, WE ARE PROPOSING JUST A SMALL CLEAN AND WELL MANAGE AUTO SALES AND SERVICE CENTER WITHIN THE 1.02 ACRE. AND, UM, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE BRING SOMETHING TO THE COMMUNITY WHERE THEY ARE ABLE TO, UM, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AFFORDABLE VEHICLES. UM, WE'LL ALSO BE HOLDING CLASSES, UM, TO BE ABLE TO, UM, EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ON HOW THEY CAN, UM, BE ABLE TO [04:20:01] FINANCE, UH, A CAR, UM, WITHOUT HAVING SO MUCH CREDIT, UH, DEBT. AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TODAY AND I HOPE THAT IT ALIGNS WITH YOUR PLANS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT? SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? OKAY. SEE NONE. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, I ASKED EARLIER, UH, DURING THE BRIEFING ABOUT, UM, THE, UH, REVISED SITE PLAN THAT WAS, UM, SUBMITTED AFTER THE DOCKET. CAN, UH, THE PLANNER, WHOEVER'S HANDLING THIS, UH, KIND OF RUN THROUGH WHATEVER IS THE PROPOSAL IS FOR A CHANGE. SO THIS, YEAH, THIS IS, UM, A SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. UM, IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT PRI WHAT CHANGES THEY'RE PROPOSING, IF THAT'S OKAY. ALRIGHT. IF SHE WOULD COME BACK OR HE WOULD COME BACK, COME DOWN. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME'S ISIAH MARQUEZ. I'M REPRESENTING, UH, DO SERVICE CENTER. SO ON THE, ON THE MAP WE HAVE A NEW ENTRANCE COMING IN THROUGH BRUTON ROAD, SO THAT'LL ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THE, UH, TRAFFIC. ORIGINALLY IT WAS THROUGH CONNER DRIVE, BUT WE'VE CHANGED THAT NOW COMING IN THROUGH BRUTON ROAD. MAY I, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. SO WILL THE ACCESS TO THE, UH, SITE BE EXCLUSIVELY THROUGH BRUTON ROAD? BECAUSE I MEAN, IT LOOKS TO ME ON THE, THE SITE PLAN THAT THERE'S STILL ACCESS AND INGRESS EGRESS FROM OCON FROM CONNOR. YES. SO THE ACCESS, WE, IT'S STILL GONNA BE EXISTING ON, ON CONNOR, BUT THE NEW ONE, THE MAIN ONE IS NOT GONNA BE THROUGH BRUTON. OKAY. SO THE PRIMARY, UH, DRIVE WILL BE ONTO BRUTON ROAD? YES. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE, UH, APPLICANT OWNER? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I, OH, WHAT COMMISSIONER WHEELER. UM, IS THIS THE TAPE? UH, DID YOU ALL, DID YOU ALL HAVE, UH, GET ANY INFORMATION AS IT RELATES TO, UH, A, THE SHE ACCESS BETWEEN YOU ALL AND WALGREENS? I THINK, IS IT WALGREENS OR CVS? I THINK THIS IS A CASE WHERE WE, WE ASKED TO CHECK WITH US WITH THEM. I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? DID YOU ALL EVER SPEAK WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS WALGREENS ABOUT SHARED ACCESS OR, UH, THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TO ALL TO DO THE LAST TIME YOU ALL CAME BEFORE US? YEAH, SHE SAID YOU GUYS SHARE ACCESS WITH WALGREENS, I BELIEVE AND OR CVS. AND HAVE YOU HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT A SHARED ACCESS WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT? YES. WE, WE ORIGINALLY ASKED YOU ALL TO DO SO WE HAVE, UH, SO WE'VE, WE'RE CREATING OUR OWN ENTRANCE BECAUSE THEY, THEY DENIED THE, UH, AN EASEMENT WITH THEM. SO WE WERE CREATING OUR OWN ON OUR OWN PROPERTY ON, UH, ON THE CAR WASH THAT WE OWN IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. OKAY. AND SO YOU ALL ARE GONNA, SO YOU ALL HAVE A SHARED ACCESS AGREEMENT WITH YOURSELF. COULD YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN? I'M SORRY. SO, SO YOU, SO YOU ALL HAVE A SHARED ACCESS AGREEMENT WITH YOURSELF WITH, WITH PRETTY MUCH YOU'RE CREATING ONE WITH YOURSELF, WITH THE, WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR AND PROPERTY, WITH YOUR TWO DIFFERENT PROPERTIES. AM I CORRECT? YES. CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. UM, ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. I I HAVE, I HAVE A MOTION. OH, I'M SORRY. . . I'M SORRY. DO I HEAR A MOTION COMMISSIONER? I DO HAVE A MOTION. YEAH. IN THE IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 45. 1 25, UH, MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, UH, OF A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, SUP SUBJECT TO THE REVISED SITE PLAN, UH, AND CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING, CHANGE ALL VEHICLES DISPLAYED, SOLD OR SERVICE AND CONJUNCTION WITH THE VEHICLE DISPLACED SALES AND SERVICE [04:25:01] MUST, UH, USE MUST BE PARKED ON THE PROPERTY. I'LL SECOND. DID I GET A SECOND? ANY COMMENTS, UH, REGARDING THE MOTION? COMMISSIONER SHAE? NO SIR. IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSITION? YES, IT. THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES. OKAY, WE'LL GO [17. 25-1215A An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 798 for a Mining of Sand and Gravel use on property zoned an A(A) Agricultural District, on the southwest line of Kleberg Road between US 175 Frontage Road and Jordan Valley Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to an amended site plan and conditions Applicant: Mesquite Landfill TX, LP Representative: Weaver Consultants Group, LLC Planner: Michael Pepe and Sarah May, AICP U/A From: February 6, 2025 and March 20, 2025. Council District: 8 Z212-131(MP)] TO NUMBER, UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HALL. WE'LL GO TO NUMBER 17. ALL RIGHT. NUMBER 17 IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 7 98 FROM FOR MINING OF SAND AND GRAVEL ON PROPERTY ZONE AND AA AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF KLEBERG ROAD BETWEEN US 1 75 FRONTAGE ROAD AND JORDAN VALLEY ROAD. I THINK YOU, SORRY AND SORRY. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IT SAYS NUMBER 17 Z 2 1 2 1 31. COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? THANK YOU MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 1 2 1 3 1. I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MAY 22ND, 2025. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY COMMENTS? YES, A QUICK COMMENT. UH, WE WILL BE HOSTING A COMMUNITY MEETING ON APRIL THE 16TH AT THE CLAYBROOK RILEY REC CENTER. AND, UM, THE MAY 22ND, 2025 DATE WAS REQUESTED, UM, BY THE APPLICANT. AND SO BY THAT TIME WE SHOULD RECEIVE ALL THE REPORTS NECESSARY TO, UH, COME TO A CONCLUSION ON THIS MATTER. THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION [18. 25-1216A An application for 1) a planned development district for certain nonresidential uses and to maintain the areas with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay and 2) consideration of an MU-1 Mixed Use District with a Specific Use Permit for a mini-warehouse use and to maintain the areas with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay on property zoned a CR Community Retail District and CS Commercial Service District with a D-1 Overlay, and an R-7.5(A) Single Family District, on the southeast line of South Belt Line Road, southwest of C.F. Hawn Freeway. Staff Recommendation: Approval of a Specific Use Permit for a twenty-year period, subject to a site plan and conditions, in lieu of a planned development district for certain nonresidential uses. Applicant: Milan Nguyen (sole owner), MNCN Development, LLC Representative: Karl A. Crawley, Masterplan Planner: Sarah May, AICP U/A From: February 6, 2025 and March 20, 2025. Council District: 8 Z234-277(SM)] PASSES. WE'LL GO TO NUMBER 18. RIGHT NUMBER 18 IS AN APP. THIS IS CASE Z 2 34. 2 77. THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR ONE, A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR CERTAIN NON-RESIDENTIAL USES AND TO MAINTAIN THE AREAS WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY. AND TWO CONSIDERATION OF AN E ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT WITH SPECIFIC USE WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR MANY WAREHOUSE USE AND TO MAINTAIN THE AREAS WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON PROPERTIES ZONED AS CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT AND A CS COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE OVERLAY AND AN R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF SO BELTLINE ROAD SOUTHWEST OF CF HA FREEWAY. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A 20 YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS IN LIEU OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR CERTAIN NON-RESIDENTIAL USES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I SEE THE APPLICANT IS HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, CARL CORLEY 2201 MAIN STREET. UM, MS. WEER, I BELIEVE THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD ALSO BE APPROVAL OF AN MU ONE DISTRICT. I DON'T THINK YOU READ THAT IN THERE. YEAH. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. AND APPROVAL OF IT DISTRICT I I COULDN'T GET AN SUP FOR SOMETHING THAT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED. SO, UM, HE'S GONNA SET UP ME, UH, THING THAT I'M GONNA TRY TO MUDDLE THROUGH. WHAT ARE WE DOING? LEFT, RIGHT UP DOWN. LET'S SEE. THAT'S IT. YEAH, LEMME GO. THERE YOU GO. PERFECT. THANK YOU. UM, SO, UH, THE REQUEST IS AT NINE 1900 SOUTH BELTLINE ROAD. IT IS, UH, BELTLINE JUST A LITTLE BIT AWAY FROM CF O FREEWAY. UH, THE ZONING WOULD ALLOW RETAIL AND SELF-STORAGE, UH, A SMALL RETAIL CENTER AT THE FRONT. UM, THAT'S PART OF THE SITE PLAN. YOU SEE THE SITE PLAN WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE, UH, SELF-STORAGE IN THE BACK. ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO GET THROUGH, YOU, YOU SAW ALL THESE SLIDES, THE AERIAL, UM, THE SITE'S GOT TREES ON IT. PROBABLY HAD SOME MINING ON IT AT SOME POINT. A LOT OF MINING IN THAT AREA OF TOWN, UH, WITH SAND AND GRAVEL. UM, THIS IS ONE THING I WANTED TO SHOW YOU. SEE THE, UH, THE BLUE THERE, THAT IS A, UH, 10 FOOT, UH, STORM SEWER CULVERT THAT GOES THROUGH THE 10 FOOT BOX CULVERT THAT GOES THROUGH THE PROPERTY. THE RED LINE IS A VERY LARGE, UM, I BELIEVE 20 INCH OR MORE, UH, WATER LINE THAT GOES THROUGH THE PROPERTY. SO YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFICULTY OF DEVELOPING THIS SITE, WHICH [04:30:01] LENDS ITSELF ACTUALLY TO DEVELOPING FOR SELF STORAGE. 'CAUSE YOU CAN SORT OF WORK YOUR WAY AROUND THAT TYPE USE AS OPPOSED TO THE BACK HALF IS SINGLE FAMILY. THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP FOR SINGLE FAMILY WITH THAT BIG WATER LINE THERE. AND THEN, UH, THE WHOLE THING FOR RETAIL WOULD OBVIOUSLY STILL BE DIFFICULT. UH, THE PROPOSAL IS, UM, IS A SELF STORAGE. IT WOULD HAVE, UM, NO DOORS THAT YOU COULD SEE FROM THE OUTSIDE. IT WOULDN'T BE THAT TYPE OF, I NOW CALL IT YOUR GRANDFATHER'S, UH, SELF STORAGE. UM, AND THEN THE INTERIOR PART WOULD BE A TWO STORY BUILDING. UH, STILL COMPLY WITH THE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE, BUT WOULD BE CLIMATE CONTROLLED. THERE ARE TWO SELF STORAGE IN THE AREA. ONE SILVERADO UP CF HUNT ABOUT A THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE AND ONE THE OTHER DIRECTION. BOTH OF THOSE ARE THE CLASSIC GARAGE DOOR TYPE. UM, UH, A CLIENT OF OURS, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND SAY IT, PUBLIC STORAGE. NEITHER OF THOSE ARE PUBLIC STORAGE. BUT THE, THE CLASSIC ONE YOU'D SEE WITH GARAGE DOORS, UM, BUILT PROBABLY IN THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES, THIS WOULD NOT BE THAT YOU WOULD, THE WHOLE THING WOULD EITHER BE A FORTRESS STYLE, YOU'D SEE THE BACK OF THE SELF STORAGE OR THERE'D BE A WALL CONTAINING IN IT FROM THE FRONT. YOU WOULD THEN GET, SEE THE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT. HERE'S A PERSPECTIVE VIEW OF IT. UH, THE IDEA IS PROBABLY A, A COFFEE SHOP IF IF POSSIBLE. AND THEN, UM, A SMALL RETAIL AREA. UH, THAT'S JUST THE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WE HAD WERE A DRAINAGE. UM, AND, AND, UM, SARAH MAY AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS DRAINAGE. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS IS NOT A PLATTED PIECE OF PROPERTY. I'LL HAVE TO PLAT IT. PART OF PLATTING IS GONNA BE FULL ENGINEERING. UH, FOR ANYBODY WHO'S DONE ANYTHING IN DALLAS, FULL ENGINEERING MEANS A LOT OF HEARTACHE. AND AGAIN, IF, IF THE DRAINAGE DOESN'T WORK, I'LL HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S ZONED TO ALLOW SOMETHING THAT WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT FOR. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE IS, UM, BUT THE OTHER BOTTOM LINE IS IF THERE'S A DRAINAGE PROBLEM OUT THERE, I'M GONNA END UP HAVING TO FIX MY DRAINAGE. IF I HAVE A PROBLEM, I'M NOT GONNA BE ALLOWED TO PUT ANY MORE DRAINAGE INTO THE SYSTEM. I'M GONNA HAVE TO DETAIN IT. AND LIKELIHOOD IS THE DRAINAGE CAN NOW GO BACK TO. THANK YOU. YOUR TIME IS UP BELTLINE ROAD. SO THANK YOU SIR. STANDBY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES SIR. PLEASE COME DOWN. UM, I'M DAVID CARRANZA. I LIVE AT 1 4 4 6 4 KLEBERG ROAD IN DALLAS. UM, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF KLEBERG NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION CRIME WATCH. UM, YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE A LETTER THAT I SENT OUT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. UM, I'M NOT GONNA READ THAT WHOLE THING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GO, GO ON SOME KEY AREAS. WE HAVE FOUGHT HARD, UM, WITH FORWARD DALLAS TO KEEP THE, OUR AREA IS A SMALL TOWN WALKABLE AREA AND, UM, TO HAVE SOMETHING COME IN TO TRY TO BE A A MULTI-USE, OR NOT MULTI-USE, BUT A MIXED USE, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T WANT, UM, IN THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY ON BELT LINE. THE ROADS ARE REALLY BAD. THERE'S, UH, I MEAN EVERY DAY TRUCKS ARE DROPPING CEMENT ON BELTLINE AND BY 1 75 CAUSING PROBLEMS. THERE'S HOMELESS OVER THERE. WE DON'T NEED ALCOHOL IN THAT AREA. UM, THERE'S FLOODING ALL THE, A LOT DOWN THERE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, RIGHT THROUGH BELTLINE, A HUGE FLOOD WHEN RIGHT THROUGH, UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY JUST AFTER THAT AREA. SO THAT CULVERT THAT HE HAS THERE PROBABLY WAS FULL AT THAT POINT. I DIDN'T SEE THAT, SO I CAN'T ATTEST TO THAT. BUT MY PROPERTY IS ON CLEAVER JUST DOWN, DOWN THE ROAD AND IT WENT RIGHT THROUGH BELTLINE AND MY PROPERTY. UM, SO I I URGE YOU TO REALLY RECONSIDER THIS AND NOT, UH, VOTE ON THIS OR VOTE FOR THIS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THAT AREA. THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S BAD, THE STREETS ARE BAD, HOMELESS, THE DRUGS, EVERYTHING AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT I HAVE IN MY LETTER THERE. UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS JESSICA RAMIREZ AND I LIVE AT 2 7 2 WEST LAWSON ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 5 3. UM, AS WE SEE THIS AREA NEEDS A LOT OF HELP. UM, NOT JUST THAT THE HOMELESS, UM, HAVE DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, THEIR HOME IN THE WOODS AND THERE'S LOTS OF WOODS DOWN THERE. UM, THESE TREES ARE OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD. WE'RE AT THE TRINITY BOTTOMS, LITERALLY. AND SO IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THIS BODY EMPHASIZES THE NEED OUT THERE. AND WE BRING NOT ONLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SUCH AS WE DO WANT THE COFFEE SHOPS, WE DO WANT A SPACE TO BE ABLE TO HOLD NOT JUST OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS, BUT ALSO TO HOLD, [04:35:01] UH, FRIENDS AND FAMILY. THERE'S LITERALLY NO SPACES UNLESS YOU GO TO SEVILLE, MESQUITE WELCH SPRINGS. UM, AND SO WE'RE NOT REALLY FOR THIS UNTIL THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS ARE MET. SO, UM, I APPRECIATE ANY CONVERSATIONS MOVING FORWARD ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO TO DEAL WITH THOSE PROBLEMS. UM, AND SO I I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND, AND I REALLY OPPOSE THIS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THERE. ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? MR. CROWLEY, YOU GET YOUR REBUTTAL TIME, SIR. CARL CROWLEY AGAIN. UM, LET'S SEE. UM, HOMELESSNESS, IF THERE IS A HOMELESS PROBLEM, OBVIOUSLY IF WE BUILD A DEVELOPMENT THERE, WE WILL HAVE A CARETAKER ON THERE, 24 7 THAT CAN HOPEFULLY SOLVE THAT. UM, THE, THE RETAIL AND THE COFFEE SHOP, THEY KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND WITHOUT THE SELF STORAGE SORT OF SUPPLYING SOME ECONOMIC TO IT, YOU REALLY CAN'T DO THE OTHER. SO IT'S, IT'S NOT A ONE OR THE OTHER IN THAT SCENARIO. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, TODAY, THE FRONTAGE IS ZONED RETAIL AND COMMUNITY SERVICE. I COULD DO THAT TODAY, BUT THE ECONOMICS JUST DON'T WORK THAT WAY OR THEY JUST DON'T WORK TO, TO BE ABLE TO DO IT. UM, DRAINAGE AGAIN, I I, AGAIN, I, IF, IF THE ZONING'S APPROVED E EVEN WITH THE CR ZONING IN THE FRONT, IF, IF I CAN'T SOLVE THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM, UM, I CAN'T GET A BUILDING PERMIT. UH, SOMETHING'S GOTTA COME FIRST. A CART OF THE EGG OR THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG OR A CART OF THE HORSE OR SOMETHING. UM, UH, UH, THIS CAME UP YESTERDAY, SOME DISCUSSIONS I HAD WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN. I BELIEVE, UM, THE, THE STUDY OF THE ENGINEERING IS PROBABLY GONNA END UP COSTING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS JUST FOR THE DRAINAGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. WELL, AT SOME POINT IF I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT ZONING, I'M NOT GONNA SPEND A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR SOMETHING I HAVE NO CHANCE OF EVER GETTING. UM, SO AT SOME POINT SOMETHING'S GOTTA COME FIRST AND, AND IN THIS CASE, THE ZONING IS, IS THERE. IF I CAN'T DO THE USE, I'M NOT GONNA FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE ENGINEERING AND STUFF. IF I GOT THE USE, I HAVE TO FOLLOW THROUGH THE ENGINEERING. AND AGAIN, IF I CAN'T SOLVE THE ENGINEERING, WE'LL HAVE A VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY. UM, AND THEN I GUESS IN 20 YEARS THE SUP WILL EXPIRE OR, OR AT SOME POINT THE CITY WILL COME OUT AND, AND POSSIBLY DO MORE INFRASTRUCTURE OR, UM, SOMETHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WE HAD LAST WEEK, UM, HO HCA OR SOMETHING IT LOOKS LIKE HAS PURCHASED THE CORNER THERE, BELTLINE AND 1 75 AND MAY DO A SMALL LITTLE CLINIC OR SOMETHING. AGAIN, THAT'S THE START OF THAT SORT OF IMPOTENCE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND STUFF. SO THIS IS THE LAST AREA OF DALLAS REALLY TO OPEN LAND AND DEVELOP. IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME THANK YOU'S AMAZON PRODDING, BUT IT'LL GET THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. UH, COMMISSIONER QUESTION FOUR. MR. CROWLEY? YES SIR. MR. HALL, COMMISSIONER HALL. MR. CROWLEY, LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS, THERE'S A EXXON STATION OR A CONVENIENCE STORE, EXXON STATION AT THE CORNER THERE? YES. AT THE SOUTH SOUTHEAST CORNER SORT OF, YEAH. , UH, YOUR PROPERTY IS NEXT TO THAT? NO, WE'RE, THERE'S TWO VACANT LOTS BETWEEN OR TWO TRACKS BETWEEN US AND THERE. OH, OKAY. YOU'RE, YOU'RE FARTHER, YOU'RE FARTHER DOWN. RIGHT. THAT WHOLE FRONTAGE IS CRCS AND THEN, UM, NEXT TO US IS AN MU ONE DISTRICT. THE ONLY REASON WE COULD SORT OF, SARAH AND I LOOKED AT THAT AS LIKE, UH, THE HOUSE WAS NONCONFORMING PROBABLY 'CAUSE AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS CR ALL THE WAY DOWN THE STRIP. SO THE, UH, THE GOAL OF, UH, ANY, UM, ENGINEERING STUDY TO MITIGATE FLOODING ISSUES WOULD BE TO KEEP FLOODING OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS. RIGHT. NOT JUST YOUR PROPERTY, BUT NO, NO, NO. 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT A, A LARGER DRAINAGE AREA. MM-HMM . IT IS LIKE, WHAT, WHAT IS, WHERE'S THE DIVIDE? WHERE'S, WHERE'S THE WATER? YOU KNOW, UH, THE CONTINENTAL DIVIDE OF SORTS. WHERE'S THE WATER GO TO MISSISSIPPI VERSUS THE PACIFIC? SURE. WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO FIND THAT DIVIDE AND WE HAVE TO SOLVE FOR EVERYTHING IN OUR DRAINAGE AREA. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES. COMMISSIONER HERBERT. SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WERE, UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW CLOSE ALL THE RESIDENCE IS TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY OR THE SOUTHWEST PROPERTY? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GET MY DEAL BACK UP THERE AGAIN OR NOT, BUT, UM, UH, THERE WE HAVE A, WE HAVE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, SO THEIR LOTS, UM, THERE'S LIKE ONE LOT THAT BACKS UP TO OUR PROPERTY AND THEN THERE'S SOME MULTIFAMILY THAT BACKS UP TO OUR PROPERTY SORT OF AT THE END, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. YOU KNOW, END OF THE RECTANGLE. UH, BUT THERE'S ONE, MAYBE A ONE AND A PIECE OF ANOTHER ONE THE BACK UP. BUT WE HAVE A 20 FOOT SETBACK FOR ANY BUILDING WE HAVE TO BUILD THERE AND WE HAVE TO LANDSCAPE THAT BECAUSE IT'S RESIDENTIAL NEXT TO US AND THEN, THEN NEXT TO US THERE'S SOME R SEVEN [04:40:01] FIVE, BUT THAT'S IN A FLOODPLAIN AND, AND THEY, IN THEIR UM, UM, PLAT AND THEIR SUBDIVISION HAVE DEDICATED THAT AS OPEN SPACE. SO THAT WILL ALWAYS BE OPEN SPACE NEXT TO US THEN. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND THAT'S WHERE THAT ACTUALLY WHERE THAT CULVERT GOES INTO. GOTCHA. AND YOU GUYS DO PLAN TO LANDSCAPE HEAVILY THE SEPARATION BETWEEN YOUR BUILDING 'CAUSE IT'S HEAVILY FORESTED NOW, RIGHT? YEAH. AND, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MITIGATE THE TREES AND PUT 'EM BACK. SO THAT'S , THAT'S THE ONE PLACE THAT WE CAN PLANT THOSE TREES, UH, AND, AND MAKE SENSE TO DO IT. AND JUST ANOTHER THING. SURE. I KNOW THIS, YOU, YOU HAVE A MIX OF USE HERE AT, AT RESIDENTIAL WAS NOWHERE IN THE CONVERSATION OF THAT MIX OF USE? NO. AND, AND ACTUALLY 'CAUSE, UH, MS. MAY AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, UH, WHAT ARE THE DISTRICTS THAT ALLOW WITH, OBVIOUSLY WE CAME IN FOR A PDO, I'M NOT GONNA GET THE WHOLE STORY. UH, CR WOULD'VE ALLOWED IT WITH AN SUP AND U ONE CR IS, IS JUST AS GOOD FOR US. UM, THE, THE LIKELIHOOD OF BUILDING RESIDENTIAL BACK THERE WITH ALL THE EASEMENTS AND STUFF, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, E ONE IS NEXT TO US, AND ME ONE, AS SHE MENTIONED, ALLOWS A LOT LESS RETAIL WEIRDNESS. I CAN'T PUT A, A CAR REPAIR PLACE IN THERE. I, I WASN'T PLANNING ON DOING IT, BUT I CAN'T DO A LOT OF THOSE. E ONE IS A LOT MORE RESTRICTIVE RETAIL WISE THAN CR IS. GOTCHA. SO A PART OF THE CONCERNS FROM NEIGHBORS I SPOKE WITH WERE THE MINI WAREHOUSE USAGE AND HOW SEVERAL ARE POPPING UP. UM, SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF THERE WAS ANY PROPOSITION OF RESIDENTIAL BEING ADDED IN THAT MIX, EITHER IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, SIDE OF PROPERTY, ANYWHERE. BUT, UH, THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING IT. SURE. COMMISSIONER HALL, COMMISSIONER HERBERT'S QUESTION BROUGHT SOMETHING THAT CAME UP IN BRIEFING, UM, THE MINI WAREHOUSE AND BIG TRUCKS. DO YOU FORESEE THAT 18 WHEELERS OR BIG TRUCKS ARE GONNA BE PULLING IN HERE? NO. I, I'M SURE LIKE, I THINK, UH, UH, AND I'M SORRY I CALL HER SARAH, BUT I'VE KNOWN SARAH FOR 20 YEARS, OR I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE NOT THAT LONG, BUT, UM, I'M SURE THERE'LL BE A U-HAUL TRUCK. JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU CLEAN OUT YOUR GARAGE, YOU PUT IT IN A U-HAUL TRUCK AND YOU PUT IT IN STORAGE. BUT NO, THERE'S NO 18 WHEELER. IT, THE CAPABILITY OF TURNING AROUND AN 18 WHEELER IN THAT SITE JUST WON'T WORK. UH, WILL THERE BE, WHEN THEY'RE MAKING, DOING CONSTRUCTION, I'M SURE THERE WILL BE 18 WHEELER MAY HAVE TO DROP OFF STORM PIPE IF NOTHING ELSE, BUT NO, NO. I SEE, I SEE. NO 18 WHEELERS EVER BEING IN THERE. ARE THERE A LOT OF 18 WHEELERS OUT IN THAT AREA TOWN? YES, THERE ARE. YEAH. I'M NOT GONNA DENY THAT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL, THERE'S A LOT OF STORAGE OF TRAILERS OUT THERE IN THAT CS ZONING. THE MU ONE DOESN'T EVEN GET CLOSE TO EVEN THINKING ABOUT ALLOWING THAT. SO, NO. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS? QUESTIONS FOR OUR FOLKS IN OPPOSITION? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. SEEING M COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? I DO HAVE A MOTION. MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34 DASH 2 77, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DENY THE ZONING CHANGE WITHOUT PREJUDICE. IF I CAN GET A SECOND, I'D LIKE TO SHARE SOME COMMENTS. WE, WE DO HAVE A SECOND. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN. OKAY. AS AN INITIAL MATTER, THERE HAVE BEEN TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS REGARDING THIS DEVELOPMENT. UH, ONE, UH, PRIOR TO ME JOINING THE COMMISSION, AND WE RECENTLY HAD ONE ON MARCH THE 31ST. UH, BOTH TIMES THE, THE RESIDENTS OF THIS AREA, UH, EXPRESSED THAT THEY DID NOT WANT A MEETING WAREHOUSE IN THIS AREA BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY TOO MANY OF THEM. NOW, I I, I WANT EVERYONE TO THINK ABOUT ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE ON FOR DALLAS 2.0. THIS PARTICULAR AREA HAS BEEN PLANNED AS A SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE, WHICH MEANS THAT THE SECONDARY, THE, THE PRIMARY USE IS FOR RESIDENTIAL. AND THEN THERE'S SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL SECONDARY USES. BUT NONE OF THOSE USES INCLUDE MANY WAREHOUSES. NOW THERE'S MANY WAREHOUSES. THERE'S ONE MINI WAREHOUSE ABOUT LESS THAN A HALF A MILE AWAY, A WALKING DISTANCE FROM WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING THIS ONE, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE THAT'S LESS THAN A MILE GOING SOUTH. AND THEN THERE'S TWO OTHER ONES A LITTLE BIT NORTH, LESS THAN TWO MILES AWAY. BUT ALL THOSE MANY WAREHOUSES ARE ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD, [04:45:02] NO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AROUND IT. NOW, THIS PARTICULAR MANY WAREHOUSE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL HOMES. NOW WE HAVE THE ABILITY FROM, FOR DALLAS TO CREATE THE GRAVITY THAT WE WANT IN THIS AREA, WHICH IS MIXED INCOME HOUSING. THE, THE, THE PLACE TYPES THAT ARE ALIGNED TO WHAT SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIALS ARE AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AS A, AS A MINI WAREHOUSE IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH WHAT THE CITY'S PLANS ARE, IS SIMPLY INCOMPATIBLE. IT DOESN'T GO INTO CONCERT. IN FACT, THE FOUR DALLAS 2.0 SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, INCOMPATIBLE PLACE TYPES OR DEVELOPMENTS SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED TO BE REDEVELOPED. AND THIS WOULD BE ONE OF 'EM. AND WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS 20 YEARS OF A SUP TO OPERATE A MANY WAREHOUSE, ESSENTIALLY WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. SO FOR THOSE REASONS, WE THINK THERE'S A BETTER USE OF LAND. NOW, THE RETAIL PORTION, EVERYONE IS ON BOARD WITH THAT, BUT THE MANY WAREHOUSE PORTION OF IT, THE COMMUNITY CAN'T GET WITH. AND IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH OUR VISION FOR, UH, FOR THIS AREA. AND I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, YOU KNOW, STORM DRAINAGE ISN'T A PART OF WHAT WE DO AS, AS LAND USE, BUT WE CAN'T IGNORE THAT. THAT CAN IMPACT FUTURE LAND USE. AND SO RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, FOCUS ON THE ACTUAL, UH, FLOODING THAT GOES ON IN THE AIR BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT IS RELEVANT AND IT, IT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, QUITE OFTEN. BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE SECOND STAGE AND THAT'S THE PART OF THE ENGINEERING. BUT WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T IGNORE IT BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA IMPACT THE, UH, LAND USE THAT'S ADJACENT TO IT AS WELL. SO, SO, SO WITH ALL OF THAT, WITH THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, UH, THE INCONSISTENCY OF THE, THE, THE PLACE TYPE AND THE THINGS OF ALL THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DID, UH, FOR, FOR DALLAS, I THINK THAT THERE'S ROOM THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY WITH THAT LAND IF WHETHER THEY CAN, UH, COULD EXPAND THE RETAIL PORTION. BUT THE MEANING WAREHOUSE ITSELF IS INCOMPATIBLE. IT'S INCONGRUENT, UH, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. [19. 25-1217A An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 2107 for the sale of alcoholic beverages in conjunction with a general merchandise or food store greater than 3,500 square feet on property zoned a CR Community Retail District with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay, on the north corner of Ramona Avenue and East Overton Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a five-year period with eligibility for automatic renewals for additional five-year periods, subject to a site plan and conditions. Applicant: Jay Y. Lee Planner: Cherrell Caldwell Council District: 4 Z234-346(CC)] MOVE ON TO NUMBER 19. NUMBER 19 IS CASE Z 2 3 4 3 4 6. THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2107 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE GREATER THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET ON PROPERTIES ZONED A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE NORTH CORNER OF RAMONA AVENUE AND EAST OVERTON ROAD. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE APPLICANT IS HERE? YES, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER. I WAS HERE SIX WEEKS AGO THEN I GOT PROOF FOR FIVE YEARS AND NOW AND I WENT TO CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY, THEY TOLD ME THAT CITY HAD A PROBLEM WITH A NOTIFICATION AND THEY SENT BACK TO CPC MEETING AGAIN, THAT'S HERE TODAY. SO MY FAMILY MOVED FROM, UH, DALLAS TO FIVE BETTER BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES. SO IN 2010 WHEN DOLLARS CHANGED THE ACO LAW TO SET BEER OF WINE IN A CLIFF. SO HE THOUGHT, HE THOUGHT YOU ARE ABLE TO SET BEER OF WINE, BUT STORE IS STILL UNDER THE DRY AREA. THEY NEED A SVP TO SERVE BEER OF WINE. AND SINCE 2011 STORES SELLING BEER OF WINE AND THAT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, UH, TABC AND DALLAS POLICE. SO YOU ARE ABLE TO GET SUP FOR FIRST TIME WITH TWO YEARS, THEN THEY GIMME THREE YEAR ORDER, MAKE RENEWAL. AND FIRST TIME I HAD A HARD TIME, SO I HAD TO BORROW LIKE 30 SUPPORTERS. I HAD A 2000 PEOPLE SIGN A PETITION AND I WAS ON THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, EVERYTHING. AND THIS STORE HERE IS, I MEAN, SUPPORTED BY THE COMMUNITY AND THERE'S OTHER STORE AND THERE'S BOYCOTT AT THE OTHER OTHER SIDE OF TOWN. AND THAT'S WHY THEY WOULD COMPARE WITH MY MIND STORE, WITH THE OTHER STORE. AND I WAS ON A DALLAS MORNING NEWS NEWSPAPER AND I WAS KIND OF ON THE NEWS EVERYWHERE. AND [04:50:01] SO STORE IS DOING VERY WELL AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, UH, ANY NEIGHBORHOOD, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND I'M HERE TODAY 'CAUSE I MISSED UP AUTOMATICALLY RENEWAL DAY, WHICH WAS SEVEN MONTH BEFORE OF OCTOBER. I JUST MISSED THE DATE AND I DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS PROCESS. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL AND ME AND MY WIFE WORKING 306 DAYS A WEEK AND HE OPEN SEVEN IN THE MORNING TO 10 O'CLOCK THE WEEKEND HE OPEN TO 12 O'CLOCK. AND I LOVE OUR CUSTOMERS AND MY EMPLOYEE AND NEIGHBORS AND I'M ON OUR COMMUNITY STORE FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND 15 AT THIS STORE AND 15 YEARS IN PENNSYLVANIA. I WAS ALWAYS SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE I'M ALWAYS GREAT COOK. AND MY PARENTS TOLD ME THAT IF YOU LOVE YOUR CUSTOMERS AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR, OF THEM LIKE A FAMILY AND TAKE CARE EMPLOYEES AND TAKE CARE OF NEIGHBORS AND COMMUNITY, YOU'LL BE SUCCESSFUL. SO I'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL OVER 30 YEARS AND ALL MY EMPLOYEES BEEN HERE FOR 15 YEARS, 14 YEARS, 13 YEARS. THEY STAY WITH US LONG TIME AND THAT'S KIND OF BLESSING FOR US. AND WE LOVE OUR CUSTOMERS, EMPLOYEE AND NEIGHBORS. AND SO C-D-C-P-C RECOMMEND FIVE YEARS AND FIVE YEAR ORDER BANK RENEWAL AND YOU WANT A LONG TERM SOLUTION. I MEAN, YOU WANNA KEEP YOUR SECURITY FOR FIVE YEARS AND FIVE YEAR ORDER BANK, UH, RENEWAL. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN GETTING FOR LAST 15 YEARS I DIDN'T HAVE PROBLEM WITH NOBODY AND YEAH, ASKING CITY, COUNCIL CITY, THANK YOU SIR. TIME IS UP COMMISSION. THANK YOU, SIR. YEAH, SO THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. PLEASE STAND BY. THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES. IN THE MATTER OF CASE YOUR MICROPHONE COMMISSIONER FOR THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN SHAIDE IN THE MATTER OF KC 2 3 4 DASH 3 4 6, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO SITE PLANS AND CONDITIONS. AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS IF I HAVE A SECOND. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FORSET FOR YOUR MOTION TO CLOSE UP OF KING FALSE RECOMMENDATION FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, UH, SUBJECT TO SITE OF CONDITION, BUT NO AUTO RENEWALS. CORRECT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FORT FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER FORSETH. YOU KNOW, I I REALLY DO APPRECIATE, UH, JAY, UH, COMING BACK HERE TODAY AND, AND I KNOW THAT HE WOULD PREFER THAT WE, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW THE, UH, THE STAFF FULL RECOMMENDATION WITH THE ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS. HOWEVER, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT HE RUNS A REALLY GOOD BUSINESS AND I'VE, I VISITED HIS SITE AND HE, HE HAS A VERY GOOD BUSINESS AND IS A CLEAN BUSINESS. AND, UH, EVEN THOUGH THERE HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, POLICE REPORTS OVER THE TIME STILL, I, I, I GUESS THAT'S TO BE EXPECTED WITH ANY BUSINESS. HOWEVER, THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I GO TO THE MEETINGS OF THE MARCELLUS PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED TO ME ABOUT THIS, THIS, THIS LOCATION. AND, UH, UH, THEY, THEY ACTUALLY PR WANTED ME TO VOTE AGAINST THIS SUP, UH, MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WHEN I MET WITH THEM. HOWEVER, UH, FIRST OF ALL, THEY DIDN'T REALLY EVER SPEAK UP OR COME TO US IN, IN A FORMAL WAY WITH EMAILS. AND, AND, AND WHEN JAY CAME HERE THE FIRST TIME, HE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT, THAT, THAT ACTUALLY SPOKE IN FAVOR OF THIS. SO MY FEELING IS, IS THAT IT IS BEST TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS SUP, BUT, UH, BUT HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A REQUIREMENT FOR HIM TO COME BACK IN FIVE YEARS, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE ANOTHER SUP RENEWED AT THAT TIME BY THIS BODY. I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE AND A GOOD BALANCE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHAIR. YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I'LL BE QUICK. UM, I, JAY YOU MAY NOT KNOW ME, BUT I, I COME INTO YOUR STORE, SO, AND I, I DON'T LOOK LIKE THIS WHEN I COME. UM, BUT I, I DO, UH, I DO REC UH, THANK YOU FOR KEEPING A CLEAN STORE INSIDE. UM, MY THING IS SOMETIMES THE DUMPSTERS ARE OVERFILLED. MM-HMM . UM, SOMETIMES THERE'S LOING ON SIDES, YOUR BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, SPRAY PAINT THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR A COUPLE YEARS THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN PAINTED OVER. YEAH. STUFF LIKE THAT. YEAH. I'M GONNA ASK YOU IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS TO PICK UP AND BE THE, THE STAR OF THAT CORNER, RIGHT? I KNOW THE CORNER. YOU, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH. UM, I KNOW YOU ONLY HAVE A SMALL PATCH OF GRASS, RIGHT? UM, BUT KEEPING THOSE THINGS UP, I DON'T KNOW. THE, THE TELEPHONES HAVE BEEN THERE FOREVER, RIGHT? WE HAVEN'T HAD PAYPHONES IN YEARS. RIGHT. IF YOU CAN TAKE YOUR TIME TO BEAUTIFY THAT CORNER, I THINK THE NEIGHBORS WILL BE EVEN MORE SUPPORTIVE OF YOU COMING FORWARD. BUT THANK YOU [04:55:01] FOR COMING HERE TODAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE. I OPPOSED, I HAVE IT. [20. 25-1218A An application for 1) an MF-1(A) Multifamily District and 2) an CH Clustered Housing District on property zoned R-7.5(A) Single Family District with consideration for a WMU-5 Walkable Urban Mixed-Use District and a WR-5 Walkable Residential District on the west side of South Lancaster Road, on the south line of the north couplet of East Wheatland Road and extending south of the south line of the south couplet of East Wheatland Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval of an WMU-5 Walkable Mixed Use along the street corridors and WR-5 adjacent to existing residential zoning in lieu of an MF-1(A) Multifamily District and a CH Clustered Housing District. Applicant: Streamline Advisory Partners, LLC Representative: Masterplan, Karl A. Crawley Planner: Liliana Garza Council District: 8 Z245-155(LG)] NUMBER 20. ITEM NUMBER 20 IS KZ 2 4555. AN APPLICATION FOR ONE AND MF ONE, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT AND TWO AND CH CLUSTERED HOUSING DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED R 7.5. A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT WITH CONSIDERATION FOR A WMU FIVE WALKABLE URBAN MIX USE DISTRICT. A WR FIVE WALKABLE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT ON THE WEST SIDE OF SOUTH LAKE CAN ROAD ON THE SOUTH LINE OF THE NORTH KALET OF EAST WHEATLAND ROAD AND EXTENDING SOUTH OF THE SOUTH LINE OF THE SOUTH KALET OF EAST WHEATLAND ROAD. SITE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF AN WMU FIVE WALKABLE MIXED USE ALONG THE STREET QUARTER AND A WR FIVE ADJACENT TO EXISTING RESIDENTIAL ZONING IN LIEU OF AN MF ONE, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT, NACH CLUSTERED HOUSING DISTRICT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I SEE THE APPLICANT IS HERE. OKAY. AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO, UH, BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 45 DASH 1 55? I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL JUNE 26TH, 2025. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN FOR YOUR MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, UH, WHEELER? THE SECOND? NO, NO, I'M NOT SECOND. NO. OKAY. I HAVE SOME MINUTES. VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND. OKAY. UH, DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER WHEELER. UH, MY MY QUESTION IS THAT, UM, THE LENGTH OF TIME OF US HOLDING IT, ESPECIALLY SINCE, UH, CITY COUNCIL GOES OUT ON BREAKTHROUGH AND, AND WE ALSO GO ON BREAK IN JULY, IS THERE, UM, AND THEY MIGHT NOT MAKE IT TO SEE COUNCIL TO MAYBE SEPTEMBER, IS THERE A REASON WHY WE'RE HOLDING, WHY IT'S BEING HELD SO LONG? AND WE'RE IN THE FIRST MEETING OF, UH, APRIL COM COMMISSIONER WHEELER, AS, AS YOU'RE SPEAKING, MR. CRAWLEY IS, UH, LETTING US KNOW THAT IN FACT HE CHOSE THE DATE. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. YES. MR. SO THE, SO THE APPLICANT IS OKAY WITH, WITH THIS DATE, IN FACT, HE CHOSE IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS. SEE NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. [21. 25-1219A An application for a CS Commercial Service District on property zoned an MC-4 Multiple Commercial District, on the southwest corner of Data Drive and Executive Drive. Staff Recommendation: Denial. Applicant: Reyes Gamino Representative: Planner: Martin Bate Council District: 9 Z234-297(MB)] GO TO NUMBER 21. GOOD AFTERNOON. ITEM 21 IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH 2 97 AND APPLICATION VERSE CS, COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE IN MC FOUR, MULTIPLE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF DATA DRIVE AND EXECUTIVE DRIVE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS DENIAL. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M RES CAMINO. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF XCEL ELECTRIC TO REQUEST APPROVAL FOR A PROPOSED WAREHOUSE THAT WILL SERVE AS A CRITICAL FUNCTION IN SUPPORTING OUR OPERATIONS AND COMMUNITY SERVICE. UM, THE PURPOSE OF THIS WAREHOUSE IS THE PRIMARY USE WOULD BE FOR STORAGE OF ELECTRICAL MATERIALS ONLY. THESE ARE MATERIALS WE ORDER IN ADVANCE TO ENSURE WE CAN HONOR BID PRICING FOR OUR CUSTOMERS, MANY OF WHOM NEED TO APPROVE THEIR PROJECTS AND THEY NEED TIME IN ORDER TO APPROVE THOSE PROJECTS WITH MATERIAL COST FLUCTUATING SO FREQUENTLY. THIS WAREHOUSE WOULD GIVE US THE ABILITY TO LOCK IN PRICING AND AVAILABILITY, WHICH IN TURN WILL ALLOW US TO STAY COMPETITIVE AND KEEP PROJECT TIME TIMELINES RELIABLE. THE ONLY POWER THAT WOULD BE RUN INTO THIS WAREHOUSE WOULD BE STRICTLY FOR ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS LIKE THE DOCK DOORS AND THE LIGHTING THAT WOULD GO IN EACH DOCK. THIS IS NOT A MANUFACTURING OR A HIGH TRAFFIC FACILITY. IT IS A PASSIVE STORAGE SOLUTION THAT WILL MINIMIZE ENERGY USE [05:00:01] AND IMPACT, UH, AND WILL HAVE NO IMPACT ON ANY SURROUNDING AREAS OF THE BUILDING. A KEY BENEFIT OF THIS WAREHOUSE IS THE ENHANCED SECURITY IT WILL PROVIDE. CURRENTLY OUR SERVICE TRUCKS ARE TAKEN HOME BY EMPLOYEES, WHICH EXPOSES THE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT INSIDE TO POTENTIAL THEFT BY ALLOWING TRUCKS TO OFFLOAD MATERIALS INTO THE WAREHOUSE, WE REDUCE THEFT RISK SIGNIFICANTLY. THIS NOT ONLY PROTECTS VALUABLE EQUIPMENT, BUT ALSO SAFEGUARDS OUR, OUR EMPLOYEES FROM BEING TARGETED AT THEIR HOMES. WE BELIEVE THIS WAREHOUSE IS A SMART LOW IMPACT ADDITION THAT HELPS SUPPORT OUR BUSINESS, OUR EMPLOYEES, AND THE LOCAL ECONOMY. WE'RE COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS TO ENSURE THAT WE MEET ALL CODES AND EXPECTATIONS. THANK YOU, SIR. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, PLEASE. UM, MR. COVINO IN, IN OUR, IN OUR STAFF BRIEFING. UM, UH, THE STAFF IS, AS YOU MAY KNOW, IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THIS CASE. AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND I'M SURE MR. PATE WILL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT, UH, THE REASON FOR THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THERE ARE USES PERMITTED IN THE CS COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THAT THEY FEEL ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I'M WONDERING, UH, IF YOU'VE HAD A DIALOGUE WITH STAFF ABOUT POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS TO YOUR, UH, APPLICATION SO THAT, UH, THEIR CONCERN THAT CAUSES THE RECOMMENDATION, RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL HAVE BEEN, UH, COULD BE PERHAPS MODIFIED OR SO, UH, THERE WE GO. JUST ADD SOME COLOR TO, UH, COMMISSIONER SLEEP'S KIND OF QUESTION AND COMMENT. UM, YES. UH, DEED RESTRICTIONS WOULD BE A POTENTIAL PATH FORWARD WHERE BY PUTTING A DEED RESTRICTION ON THE PROPERTY, YOU CAN LIMIT THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED. UM, AS WE ELABORATED IN THE CASE REPORT AND IN THE BRIEFING, THE ACTUAL USE OR PROPOSED USE THE WAREHOUSE, THAT WOULDN'T BE SEEN AS DETRIMENTAL. WHEN WE DO LOOK AT THESE KINDS OF CASES, WE DO HAVE TO CONSIDER NOT JUST WHAT MIGHT BE THE IMMEDIATE USE, BUT THE LONGEVITY OF THE PROPERTY AND THE LAND. IF IN THE FUTURE, PERHAPS, UH, MR. GINO'S BUSINESS CONTINUES DOING WELL, IT GOES GANGBUSTERS. THEY MOVE, YOU NOW HAVE A CS DISTRICT THAT SOMEONE ELSE COULD PURCHASE. AND IF THERE ARE NO, UH, ENCUMBRANCES THROUGH A DEED RESTRICTION WOULD ALLOW SOME OF THOSE USES THAT WE FIND INCOMPATIBLE WITH MULTIFAMILY, UH, THAT IS THE BASIS FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. SO, SIR, DID YOU EVER CONSIDER ANY OF THE ANY DEED RESTRICTIONS? YES, WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT WE WOULD WANT TO, UH, COMPLY ANY WAY WE CAN. UM, I KNOW IT'S HARD TO SAY TO YOU GUYS, BUT WE ARE PLANNING ON STAYING THERE FOR A LONG TIME. UM, EVEN THE, UH, BUILDING ITSELF HAS OPPORTUNITY FOR FUTURE GROWTH. SO WE HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT AND EX AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO EVER EXPAND, IT WOULD BE UPWARDS, IT WOULD BE WITH OUR OFFICE SPACE. THIS WAREHOUSE WOULD ENTAIL FINAL, IT WOULD BE OUR FINAL PLOT. UM, WE ACQUIRED THAT PARKING LOT, UM, AFTER WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. SO WHEN WE PURCHASED THE PARKING LOT, IT WAS FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING. AND WE DO SEE THAT. I DO SEE WHERE YOU'RE WORRIES, UH, CONCERNS THAT IF THE PROPERTY WAS SOLD, IT COULD BE USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE. I WOULD IN, I WOULD SAY THAT WE COULD, WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO COMPLY WITH YOU GUYS TO SAY THAT IN OUR TIME OF OWNING THAT SPACE, WE WOULD NOT USE IT FOR ANYTHING ELSE BUT WAREHOUSE PURPOSES. AND IF WE WERE TO EVER SELL THE PROPERTY, MAYBE THERE COULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD PUT THAT THE, THAT PART OF THE PROPERTY WOULD ALWAYS HAVE TO BE USED FOR WAREHOUSE ONLY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT WE COULD PUT THAT COULD STATE THAT OR HOW WE COULD COMPLY OR HOW THAT'S DONE WITH OTHER PROPERTIES. YOU WANNA JUMP, I WILL, UH, SOMEWHAT, UH, LEAN ON OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO HELP OUT HERE, BUT I THINK THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY DELINEATE A LIST OF ALLOWED USES THAT COULD MIRROR THE EXISTING ZONING OF MC FOUR. UH, WITH THE ADDITION OF THE WAREHOUSE USE. COULD YOU GO FOR THE NEXT TWO WEEKS? YEAH, AND WE COULD, WE COULD PROBABLY GET THAT HASHED OUT OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS AND BRING THAT BACK TO THE BODY, UH, ON MAY 8TH. I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. SO WOULD WE CONSIDER HOLDING THE CASE COMMISSIONER SLEEPER? WELL, I, I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST [05:05:01] THAT WE HOLD THIS CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT FOR, UH, SAY A MONTH AND MAYBE THE SECOND MEETING IN MAY. AND, UH, GIVE THE APPLICANT TIME TO GET TOGETHER WITH STAFF AND TRY TO WORK OUT, UM, THE, THE CHANGES THAT WOULD BE NEEDED. UH, OKAY. TO GET A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER HALL, MAY I ASK A QUESTION OF THE PLEASE? UM, LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS, THAT, THAT'S A LARGE PARKING LOT, UH, YET I SEE QUITE A FEW PARK CARS AND TRUCKS THERE. I I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD THIS IS, BUT I'M SURE IT'S FAIRLY RECENT. IF YOU, WOULD YOU CONVERT ALL OF THAT TO A WAREHOUSE OR WOULD SOME OF THE PARKING REMAIN? YES, SIR. IF YOU, UM, WE DO HAVE A SITE PLAN THAT I COULD SHOW YOU, UH, WHERE WE HAD AN ENGINEER PUT WHERE THAT WAREHOUSE WOULD GO. IT WOULD ACTUALLY GO ON THE BACK FENCE LINE. SO IT WOULD ONLY TAKE AWAY THE PARKING SPOTS THAT YOU SEE ON GOOGLE MAPS ON THE FENCE LINE, BUT THE REST OF THE PARKING LOT WOULD REMAIN A PARKING AREA. OKAY. AND THAT WOULD LE LEAVE YOU SUFFICIENT PARKING FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES AND YOUR TRUCKS OR, OR? CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES. AND, UH, IN THE MATTER OF CASE, UH, Z 2 34 DASH 2 97, UM, I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE HOLD IT UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL SECOND MEETING IN MAY. IS THAT, UM, YOU WANT EIGHT OR 22? DOES THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME? OKAY. 22ND. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A MOTION TO HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MAY 22ND. MAY BY COMMISSIONER, SLEEP OR SECOND ABOUT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. [22. 25-1220A An application for a CR Community Retail District with Deed Restrictions volunteered by the applicant on property zoned a R-10(A) Single Family District, on the Northeast corner of Webb Chapel Road and Royal Lane. Staff Recommendation: Denial. Applicant: Stacy Family Capital, LLC Planner: LeQuan Clinton Council District: 13 Z245-143(LC)] THANK YOU. TWO. ALL RIGHT. NUMBER 22 IS CASE Z 2 45. 1 43. THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT ON PROPERTY ZONED AND R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF WEBB CHAPEL ROAD AND ROYAL LANE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL. UH, IS THERE APPLICANT TO BE HEARD? CARL QUALITY 2201 MAIN STREET. JUST, UM, HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME UP. . OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS. QUESTIONS OF MR. CAULEY? COMMISSIONER HALL? UH, MR. CHAIR? I, I PLAN TO PUT THIS UNDER ADVISEMENT. OKAY. UH, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER? SEEING NONE. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER HALL? YES. IN THE MATTER OF CASE Z 2 45. 1 43, I MOVE TO HOLD THE PUBLIC, UH, RECORD OPEN AND, UH, POSTPONE THIS UNTIL MAY THE, UH, 22ND, 20, UH, 2025. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. WE'LL MOVE TO OUR, UM, WHO'S, WHO'S HANDLING THIS? [23. 25-1221A Consideration of amending the demolition delay overlay criteria in Section 51A-4.504 of the Dallas Development Code. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Landmark Commission Recommendation: Approval. Planner: Christina Paress Council District: Citywide DCA245-002(CP)] DO YOU KNOW WHO'S HANDLING THIS? DO DO WE NEED, DO WE NEED TO BEGIN WITH THE MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES BEFORE WE, UH, COMMISSIONERS IN ORDER TO HEAR ITEM 23? UM, WE NEED A MOTION TO SUSPEND, UM, THE RULES OF PROCEDURE SINCE THIS ITEM, INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH THE ZONING ORDINANCE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS THE RULES REQUIRE, IT INSTEAD WENT THROUGH THE LANDMARK COMMISSION, UM, AND THE LANDMARK COMMISSION WORKSHOPPED IT INSTEAD OF ZAC. SO WE JUST NEED A QUICK MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES SO THAT, UM, YOU CAN HEAR ITEM 23 AND THAT REQUIRES A TWO THIRDS VOTE TO THANK YOU. SO MOVED. THANK YOU, UH, VICE RUBIN FOR YOUR MOTION. I'LL SECOND IT. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYE. HAVE IT. OKAY. FOR ITEM NUMBER 23, CASE DCA 2 4 5 0 2 CP CONSIDERATION OF AMENDING THE DEMOLITION DELAY OVERLAY CRITERIA IN SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 4 OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE STAFF APPROVAL STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. LANDMARK COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL AS WELL. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, [05:10:01] UH, COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, SEEING NONE, DO I HAVE A MOTION? VICE RUBIN, PLEASE. I MOVE TO FOLLOW STAFF AND LANDMARK RECOMMENDATION, UH, STA LANDMARK COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. THANK YOU VICE FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. [SUBDIVISION DOCKET - Consent Items] UH, WE'LL NOW MOVE TO OUR SUBDIVISION DOCUMENT, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS CONSISTING OF CASES 24 THROUGH 38. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE? NO. 24 THROUGH 38 THERE'LL BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION. WHAT CASE ARE YOU IN? UH, HERE FOR SIR. WHAT CASE ARE YOU HERE FOR? UH, 34. 34. OKAY, SO YOU, YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT GOING IN CON? ONE MORE. OKAY. SMART MAN. UH, OKAY, LET'S GET THOSE RIGHT IN. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS AND ALL THE, TODAY'S CONSENT AS INDA CONSISTS OF 15 ITEMS. ITEM 24 S 2 4 5 DASH ZERO 60 R, ITEM 25 S 2 4 5 DASH 18, ITEM 26 S 2 45 DASH ONE 19. ITEM 27 S 2 45 DASH 1 21. ITEM 28 S 2 45 DASH 1 22. ITEM 29 S 2 45 DASH 1 23, ITEM 30 S 2 45 DASH 1 24, ITEM 31 S 2 4 5 DASH 1 25. ITEM 32 S 2 4 5 DASH 1 26. ITEM 33 S 2 45 DASH 1 28. ITEM 34 S 2 4 5 DASH 1 29, ITEM 35 S 2 4 5 DASH ONE 30. ITEM 36 S 2 4 5 DASH 1 31 ITEM 37 S 2 4 5 DASH 1 32 ITEM 38 S 2 45 DASH 1 33. ALL CASES HAVE BEEN POSTED FOR A HEARING AT THIS TIME. AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THESE CASES? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION CASE 24 TO 38? YES, IN THE CASES OF IN THE SUBDIVISION DOCKET CASES 21 THROUGH 38, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE DOCKET AS WRITTEN TO THE RECORD. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HARBOR FOR YOUR MOTION. VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? C NONE ALL IN FAVORABLY SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. 39 [39. 25-1237A An application to replat a 0.4592-acre tract of land containing all of Lot 4 in City Block H/6627 to create two 0.2996-acre (10,000 square feet) lots and to dedicate an alley, on property located on Acme Street, east of Altaire Street. Applicant/Owner: Nidia Almanza, Sepulveda Development LLC Surveyor: Seth Ephraim Osabutey Application Filed: March 12, 2025 Zoning: R-7.5(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Hema Sharma Council District: 3 S245-120] ITEM 39 S 2 4 5 DASH ONE 20. AN APPLICATION TO RELA AT 0.4592 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT FOUR IN CITY BLOCK EDGE OVER 6 6 2 7 TO CREATE TWO 0.2996 ACRE. THAT IS 10,000 SQUARE FEET LOTS. AND TO DEDICATE AN ALLEY ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON ACME STREET EAST OF AL TOWER STREET, 15 NOTICES WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON MARCH 21ST, 2024. WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLIES IN FAVOR AND THREE REPLIES IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE ON THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ARE, ARE REGISTER SPEAKERS ONLINE, NOT ONLINE COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO. AND THE RESIDENCE? THAT'S THE RESIDENTIAL REPL 39. YEP. AND THE RESIDENTIAL REPL IN NUMBER 39 25 DASH 2378. I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE, UM, THE CASE SUBJECT TO THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT, UH, FOR YOUR MOTION AND, UH, S 2 45. ONE 20 VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. YOU OPPOSED? AYES [40. 25-1238A An application to replat a 2.074-acre tract of land containing all of Lots 16 through 23 and to abandon a portion of an alley in City Block H/6133 to create one lot, on property located on Lake Highlands Drive at Harter Road, south of Peavy Road. Owners: 75218 Property Company Surveyor: Kimley-Horn and Assoc., Inc. Application Filed: March 12, 2025 Zoning: R-7.5(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Hema Sharma Council District: 9 S245-127] IT. 40 ITEM 40 S 2 45 DASH 1 27 AN APPLICATION TO RE PLAT A 2.074 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT 16 THROUGH 23 AND TO ABANDON A PORTION OF AN ALLEY IN CITY BLOCK OVER 6 1 3 3 TO CREATE ONE LOT ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON LAKE HIGH LAND DRIVE AT HARTER ROAD SOUTH OF PV ROAD. 23 NOTICES WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 [05:15:01] FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON MARCH 21ST, 2024. WE HAVE RECEIVED TWO REPLIES IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLIES IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET ARE AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I SEE THE APPLICANT IS HERE. YES. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. ROB BALDWIN. 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS. UM, I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNERS. THIS IS, UH, ST. JOHN'S, UH, EPISCOPAL CHURCH AND SCHOOL. THEY ABANDONED AN ALLEY BETWEEN THEIR PROPERTY AND THIS PROPERTY AND WE HAVE TO REPL THE PROPERTY, INCORPORATE THE ALLEY INTO THIS AND THIS WILL BECOME PART OF THE CHURCH AND SCHOOL OF PROPERTY. AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU SIR. COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR MR. BALDWIN? YES. COMMISSIONER WHEELER IS THE, IS THE, UM, ALLEY ACCESSIBLE? IS, IS IT UTILIZED BY ANY OF THE NEIGHBORING, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS? YES. THE, THE ALLEY WAS ABANDONED FIVE YEARS AGO. UH, SO IT WAS BEFORE I GOT INVOLVED, BUT IT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL FIVE YEARS AGO AND WE HAD, WE HAVE TILL, UH, JUNE 26TH TO GET THE PLAT APPROVED OR ELSE WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE ABANDONMENT PROCESS. SO, OKAY. WE HAVE NOT, WE'VE NOT CUT OFF ANY ACCESS TO ANY OF THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTIES. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEE NONE. COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES. IN THE, UH, IN THE CASE OF, UH, ITEM 2 45 DASH 1 27 I I MOVE THAT WE, UH, APPROVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH CONDITIONS IN THE DOCKET. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SLEEPER FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. AND THANK YOU. WE'LL [Items 41 - 46] GO TO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE SIGNS. WE HAVE UH, LOTS OF CASES THERE. THANK YOU SIR. GOOD EVENING. ITEM 41 IS 2 5 0 2 1 8 0 0 2 3. AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY ANNETTE WEATHERSPOON OF SSC SIGNS AND LIGHTING LLC FOR A 1020 SQUARE FOOT. LED ILLUMINATED MULTI-TENANT PYLON SIGN AT 6 55 WEST ILLINOIS AVENUE. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. S-S-D-A-C. RECOMMENDATION WAS APPROVAL NUMBER 42 IS 2 5 0 2 1 8 0 0 2 4. AND APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY ANNETTE WEATHERSPOON OF SSC SIGNS AND LIGHTING LLC FOR A 1020 SQUARE FOOT. LED ILLUMINATED MULTI-TENANT PYLON SIGN AT 6 55 WEST ILLINOIS AVENUE. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. S-S-D-A-C. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL NUMBER 43 IS 2 5 0 2 1 8 0 0 2 8. AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY ANNETTE WEATHERSPOON OF SSC SIGNS AND LIGHTING LLC FOR A 110.7 SQUARE FOOT. LED ILLUMINATED MULTI-TENANT MONUMENT SIGN AT 2000 AT SOUTH LU ALLEN AVENUE. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. S-S-D-A-C. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL NUMBER FOUR IS 2 5 0 2 1 8 0 0 2 9. AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY ANNETTE WEATHERSPOON OF SSC SIGNS AND LIGHTING LLC FOR A 110.7 SQUARE FOOT. LED ILLUMINATED MULTI-TENANT MONUMENT SIGN AT 6 55 WEST ILLINOIS AVENUE. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL S-S-D-A-C RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL NUMBER 45 IS 2 5 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 5. AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY A ANNETTE WEATHERSPOON OF SSC SIGNS AND LIGHTING LLC FOR A 42.6 SQUARE FOOT. LED ILLUMINATED SUBDIVISION SIGN AT 6 55 WEST ILLINOIS AVENUE. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. S-S-D-A-C. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. LASTLY, 46 IS 2 5 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 8. AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY ANNETTE WEATHERSPOON OF [05:20:01] SSC SIGNS AND LIGHTING LLC FOUR A 42.6 SQUARE FOOT. LED ILLUMINATED SUBDIVISION SIGN AT 6 55 WEST ILLINOIS AVENUE. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. S-S-D-A-C. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF THESE SIX CASES? THERE'S NO ONE HERE SEE IT? YES SIR. COMMISSIONER TURNOCK. UH, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS ON THE DETACHED SIGNS, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM 'CAUSE IT WASN'T EXPLICITLY CLEAR ON THE, UH, SITE PLAN TO ME IT WAS THE MAXIMUM A ONE PYLON SIGN PER STREET FRONTAGE IS PERMITTED WITHIN 50 FEET OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. WE WE'RE, WE DEFINITELY MET THAT RIGHT ON, ON ALL THE CASES. THAT'S CORRECT. UH, THE FIRST TWO CASES ARE, ARE THE TWO PYLON SIGNS. ONE IS FOR, UH, ZANG STREET FRONTAGE AND THE OTHER IS FOR ILLINOIS STREET FRONTAGE. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE. I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE CASES 41 THROUGH 46 AS READ INTO THE RECORD. THANK YOU. WITH APPROVAL. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER TURNOCK FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. UH, [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] COMMISSIONERS. DO WE HAPPEN TO HAVE A MOTION FOR THOSE MINUTES THAT ARE, THAT ARE PILING UP? YEAH. DO WE HAVE ANY MOTION FOR THOSE OR DO WE NEED THE TABLE? NEED THE TABLE? THERE ARE QUITE A FEW. YEAH. AND I IN TROUBLE. UH OH, I'M SORRY. SO DO HAVE, HAVE WE REVIEWED ANY OF THESE? OKAY. SO THEN, UH, I'LL, I'LL LOOK TO ALL THESE FOR NEXT TIME AROUND. UM, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE THE MINUTES THEN? SO MOVE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, UH, FRANKLIN FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. I'M GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, COMMISSIONER IS 4:39 PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK. UH, HAVE A GREAT EVENING. WE'LL SEE YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.