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GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.[BRIEFINGS]
HAVE OUR MICROPHONES WORKING.WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
DO WE HAVE ANY, ANYBODY ONLINE? HER 5, 6, 7, 8.
HAMPTON AND HERBERT ARE ONLINE.
DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SCHOCK HERE, DISTRICT TWO.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DISTRICT FOUR.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, REAGAN, DISTRICT EIGHT.
COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER SIMS, DISTRICT 12.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND PLACE 15 VICE CHAIR RUBIN, ABSENT TODAY.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, MAY 8TH, 2025.
9:09 AM WELCOME TO THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
AS ALWAYS, THIS IS JUST A TIME FOR QUESTIONS, UH, TO STAFF.
WE'LL KEEP ALL OUR, OUR COMMENTS FOR THE HEARING THIS AFTERNOON, BEGINNING AT 1230.
BEFORE WE GET STARTED, UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A NEW COMMISSIONER ON BOARD TODAY.
COMMISSIONER SIMS. WELCOME SIR.
UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
ANY, ANY HELP YOU NEED, JUST ASK, UH, WE'LL FIND A WAY TO GET HELP TO YOU, SIR.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND DIVE INTO THE, THE DOCKET WITH ONE QUICK NOTE ABOUT, UM, THAT'S WHY I MET HERE.
CASE NUMBER 17, ACTUALLY NOT 17.
UH, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA MOVE THAT UP AT THE HEARING TODAY.
WHAT WE'LL DO IS, UM, TENTATIVELY WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON THE, THE ZONING CASES, UH, ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, AND THEN WE'LL GO RIGHT TO THAT.
SO IF YOU'RE PLANNING ON SPEAKING ON THAT CASE, UH, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ON, UH, A LITTLE BIT EARLIER OR HERE.
AND I, I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE SOME FOLKS JOINING US THIS AFTERNOON.
UH, SO WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED TO, WITH OUR, UH, ZONING CONSENT, CONSENT CASES, CASE NUMBER ONE HAS COME OFF CONSENT AND WILL BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT.
SO IT TAKES US TO CASE NUMBER TWO.
MORNING ITEM NUMBER TWO IS KZ 2 4 5 1 1 9.
THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT SUB AREA FOR RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL USES ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA THREE WITH PLANNED DEVELOPMENT NUMBER THREE 16, THE JEFFERSON AREA SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT.
IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF WEST 12TH STREET AND SOUTH MADISON AVENUE.
THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP, THE AERIAL MAP, AND THEN ZONING MAP, UH, TOWARDS THE NORTH IS OFFICE BUILT IN, IN SURFACE PARKING AS WELL AS AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL TOWARDS THE WEST IS UNDEVELOPED LAND, UH, TOWARDS THE EAST IS FINANCIAL INSTITUTION WITH, UH, WITHOUT DRIVE-IN
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AND WINDOW.UM, THEN TOWARDS THE SOUTH IS A PRIMARY RECREATIONAL CENTER, CLUB OR AREA.
UH, THE AREA QUEST IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
THE SITE, AS I MENTIONED, IS LOCATED IN SUB AREA THREE WITHIN, UH, PD NUMBER THREE 16.
SUB AREA THREE IS DESIGNATED AS AN OFFICE, MIXED USE, HIGH DENSITY DISTRICT AND PD NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DEVELOP A SITE WITH AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATION WITH OVERHEAD CANOPIES, BATHROOMS, AND EVENTING AND SEATING AREA, WHICH IS CONSIDERED AS A MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION IN THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE AND ALLOWS FOR FUELING OF NON-ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
THE EXISTING ZONING ALSO ONLY ALLOWS THIS USED AS A PART OF A MIXED USE PROJECT AND MUST COMPLY WITH THE REGULATIONS IN SECTIONS 51 P THREE 16, UH, 1 0 6.
THEREFORE, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A NEW SUB TO ALLOW AN ELECTRIC MOTOR VEHICLE CHARGING STATION USED WITHOUT BEING PART OF THE, UM, MUP.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS ON SIDE LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING EAST, LOOKING NORTHEAST, I MEAN LOOKING NORTH, LOOKING WEST, SURROUNDING USES, LOOKING EAST, EAST, LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING WEST, LOOKING SOUTHWEST, AND THEN LOOKING WEST AND LOOKING NORTH, LOOKING NORTHEAST.
AND THEN, UM, IT IS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, UH, FOR DALLAS PLACE TYPE.
THESE ARE A SUBURBAN LIFESTYLE WHILE ALLOWING FOR ADDITIONS OF PLEXES IN SMALLER MULTIPLEXES.
UH, THE BALANCE ABILITY AND MODEST GROWTH CREATING AND VIBRANT FAMILY FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENTS.
UH, SO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS TO ADDING THE ELECTRIC MOTOR VEHICLE CHARGING STATION DEFINITION AS THOUGH AS THE SUB THREE B UNDER THE USE REGULATIONS DEVELOPMENT AND ADDING THE, THE USE UNDER MAIN USE IS PERMITTED.
AND THEN UNDER THE YARD LOT SPACE REGULATIONS, THEY ARE PROPOSING IN SUB SUBDISTRICT THREE B ELECTRIC VEHICLES, CHARGING FACILITIES AND ENTITIES CAN BE LOCATED WITHIN THE FRONT YARD AND THEN UNDER OFF STREET PARKING AND LOADING.
UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING ELECTRIC VEHICLES CHARGING STATION, NO OFF STREET PARKING OR LOADING IS REQUIRED FOR THIS USE.
AND THEN THEY ARE ADDING THE THREE B FOR THE SIGNS SECTION.
AND THEN SECOND CONDITION IS APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
ALRIGHT, LET'S GO TO CASE NUMBER THREE.
ANYONE WANT, UH, REQUEST CASE NUMBER THREE BRIEFED.
HOW ABOUT NUMBER FOUR HAS COME OFF CONSENT.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING COMMISSIONER HAMPTON WAS FOUR GONNA COME OFF CONSENT? BELIEVE SO, UNLESS MS. GARZA, I THINK SHE WAS IN TOUCH WITH THE APPLICANT.
WERE THERE UPDATES TO THE CONDITIONS? YES.
SO, UM, INSTEAD OF THE PERMITTED, UH, RERE, UH, REQUEST OF THREE YEAR PERIOD, UH, THEY'RE REQUESTING A TWO YEAR PERIOD, WHICH A STAFF, UM, RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THAT.
WOULD, WOULD YOU LIKE A BRIEF COMMISSIONER? WELL, I, I JUST, IF, IF WE ARE ABLE TO KEEP IT ON CONSENT WITH APPROVAL AS BRIEFED, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
OR IF WE NEED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM OTHER, UH, COMMISSIONERS, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE IT BRIEFED.
YOU WANNA JUST ADD THOSE? UH UH, YES.
SO, UM, THE CHANGE IS, UM, THE REQUEST IS INSTEAD OF THIS THREE YEAR, UH, TIME PERIOD, THEY'RE NOW REQUESTING A TWO YEAR TIME PERIOD, UH, WHICH STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF.
YOU OKAY WITH THAT? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? THANK YOU.
SO WE'LL KEEP THAT ONE ON CONSENT.
TAKES US TO NUMBER, WHAT IS THE NUMBER? UH, ITEM FOUR.
YEAH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, AND BRIEF IT THEN.
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IS KZ 2 4 5 1 73.THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT, LIMITED TO A BAR, LOUNGE, OR TAVERN ON PROPERTIES ZONE.
CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF NORTH, UH, FITZHUGH AVENUE AND NORTHWEST OF BRYAN STREET.
UH, SURROUNDING USES TOWARDS THE NORTHEAST COMMUNITY GARDEN TOWARDS THE NORTHEAST IS, UH, MULTIFAMILY TOWARDS THE SOUTHEAST GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR A FOOD STORE, UH, TOWARDS THE SOUTH.
PERSONAL SERVICE USE VACANT, UH, SUITE, AND THEN TOWARDS THE SOUTHWEST MULTIFAMILY UNDEVELOPED.
THE AREA QUIZ IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A 2004 403 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ERECT IN 1935.
THE DALLAS COUNTY, UM, APPRAISAL DISTRICT RECORDS.
THE BUILDING CONSISTS OF THREE SUITES.
UH, SUITE C CONTAINS AN 850 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE.
SUITE B CONTAINS A 660 SQUARE FOOT GENERAL MERCHANDISE FOOD STORE, LESS THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET.
AND SUITE A IS CURRENTLY VACANT IN THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED BAR LOUNGE, UM, LOUNGE OR TAVERN.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONVERT THE VACANT 849 SQUARE FOOT INTO A BAR IN SUITE A.
THEREFORE, AN SUP FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES SLASH LIMIT TO A BAR, LOUNGE, OR TAVERN IS REQUIRED.
UH, THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS ON FITZ AVENUE AND THEN SURROUNDING USES ON ZI AVENUE, LOOKING NORTH, NORTHWEST WEST, SOUTHWEST EAST, AND THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
AND THEN IT IS WITHIN THE CITY OF RESIDENTIAL, OR I BELIEVE MIGHT, YES.
AND THEN, UM, IT IS WITHIN THE 360 PLAN.
AND THEN, UM, AS I MENTIONED, UM, THE CHANGES, UH, APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD INSTEAD OF THE THREE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS AND THAT STATUS RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THAT.
DO WE NEED THAT BRIEFED? OKAY.
I WAS, SOME OF THE SUP CONDITIONS THAT HAVE EXISTED IN THE PAST AT THIS LOCATION HAVE BEEN STRUCK, UM, NUMBER FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN ABOUT, UM, INGRESS AND EGRESS PARKING.
UM, IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S REDUNDANT BECAUSE THE, UH, SCHOOL IS REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE SITE PLAN AND THOSE, THOSE ITEMS WERE REFERRING TO THE SITE PLAN? I'M SO SORRY.
I WAS HAVING TROUBLE HEARING YOU.
I WAS ASKING ABOUT CONDITIONS.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE SUP CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN STRUCK, YOU KNOW, THAT HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE PAST, HAVING TO DO WITH PARKING AND INGRESS AND EGRESS.
IT WAS NUMBER FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, UH, THE, I'M SORRY.
DID YOU SAY FIVE SIX? YEAH, I KNOW FOUR NUMBER FOUR HAS BEEN STRUCK CLASSROOMS. WE DON'T NO LONGER INCLUDE THOSE IN SUP CONDITIONS.
IT'S, IT'S IN THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, BUT FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN ON INGRESS EGRESS LOADING AND UNLOADING AND PARKING HAVE BEEN STRUCK.
IS THAT BECAUSE THEY REFERENCE COMPLIANCE WITH
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THE SITE PLAN AND THE SITE HAS TO COMPLY, BE IN THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE SITE PLAN ANYWAY? YES.THE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR, UH, THE PARKING REDUCTION UHHUH BECAUSE, UM, THE STUDENTS ARE SPECIAL NEEDS STUDENTS AND THEY WILL NOT BE DRIVING.
I THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENT SCHOOL.
THIS IS NUMBER FIVE, CASE NUMBER FIVE, THE UPLIFT SCHOOL OF THE SUP CONDITIONS THAT NIGHT.
UM, LEMME JUST, I'M SORRY, I'M ON THE WRONG ONE.
HOW? IT'S VERY HOT AND IT'S VERY WARM.
I HAD TO ASK IF ANYBODY ELSE THE QUESTION WAS.
YES, THIS IS THE ONE OFF OF HAMPTON, HAMPTON ROAD.
NOW MY QUESTION IS ABOUT, UM, CONDITION FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN.
WHY WE ARE STRIKING THAT? 'CAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD LANGUAGE.
WHY IS IT NOT ADVANCING? I'M SORRY, ON INGRESS EGRESS, IT'S PAGE, UH, FIVE DASH 12 IN THE AGENDA.
I'M TRYING TO GET IT TO ADVANCE.
I, I I AGREE THAT THAT'S STANDARD LANGUAGE AND WE CAN PUT THAT BACK IN.
YES, BECAUSE THAT IS, THAT IS STANDARD LANGUAGE THAT'S OFTEN INCLUDED.
UM, YEAH, NO, AND WE WERE JUST SAYING THAT EACH OF THOSE IS ALREADY COVERED THROUGH REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A SITE PLAN.
SO THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A SITE PLAN, SITE PLANS, UH, YOU CAN'T MOVE AROUND YOUR INGRESS EGRESS, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, AND, AND LOADING AREAS.
THOSE ARE SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
UM, SO BECAUSE THEY'RE REQUIRED THROUGH THAT, IT'S DUPLICATIVE TO HAVE THEM IN, IN CONDITION.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE RECOVERED BY THAT SITE PLAN CONDITION, WHICH I UNDERSTAND WAS WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT, AT, SO MOVING FORWARD, WE WON'T SEE THESE CONDITIONS.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE THE NEW STANDARD THAT THEY'RE REMOVED.
I DON'T THINK IT FURTHERS ANY CITY INTEREST TO, TO HAVE THEM IN THERE MULTIPLE TIMES.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S A, IT'S GOOD PRACTICE TO HAVE THEM.
UM, YES, WE'RE JUST HAVING ALL OF, UM, THE CLASSROOMS, INGRESS, EGRESS LOADING AND PARKING, UM, OFF OF THE, OUT OF THE CONDITIONS AND LETTING THEM BE, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST REGULATED THROUGH THE CODE.
AND OF COURSE, CLASSROOM NUMBERS ARE OPERATIONAL AND WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS ONE TO HAVE NO EXPIRATION DATE TO JUST, IT'S BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.
NO, I DIDN'T HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
JUST, JUST WHAT I ASKED ABOUT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
UH, LET'S, WE'LL WE WILL, UH, HOLD BACK ON NUMBER SIX FOR THE MOMENT AND WE'LL GO TO NUMBER SEVEN.
DO WE NEED NUMBER SEVEN? BRIEFED? YES.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND BRIEF NUMBER SEVEN, BLUE.
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LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT ON PROPERTIES ZONE, AA AGRICULTURE DISTRICT.IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF TELEPHONE ROAD EAST OF DALLAS AVENUE.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY FOUR 4.03 ACRES IN COUNCIL DISTRICT EIGHT.
THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY LOCATE LOCATED ON UNDEVELOPED LAND.
THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN INDUSTRIAL INSIDE STRUCTURE, APPROXIMATELY 30,000 SQUARE FEET WITH THE OUTSIDE STORAGE AND ALSO PARKING FOR PARADE FLOAT COMPANY.
UM, THE SITE HAS ACCESS AND FRONTAGE FROM TELEPHONE ROAD ONLY, AND THE AREA REQUESTS SITS ALONG CITY OF DALLAS, CITY LIMITS, EAST OF THE CITY OF LANCASTER OR, OR LANCASTER, HOWEVER YOU WANNA PRONOUNCE IT.
HERE IS THE AREA REQUEST WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
HERE IS THE AREA VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
YOU SEE THIS LITTLE PART OF THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT KIND OF TAILS OUT TO TELEPHONE ROAD.
THEY HAD TO PLOT THAT SO THEY CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THAT PORTION OF LAND HERE IS THE ZONING MAP SHOWING SURROUNDING PROPERTIES OR LAND USES TO THE NORTH.
WE HAVE A WAREHOUSE TO THE EAST.
WE HAVE SUP UH, 24 16, WHICH IS A COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE SOME SINGLE FAMILY THAT'S FARTHER EAST SOUTH.
WE HAVE A COLLEGE AND A AIR POLLUTION STATION, UH, WHICH I THINK IS DALLAS COLLEGE.
AND THEN TO THE WEST WE HAVE CITY OF LANCASTER.
THIS IS LOOKING AT THE ZONING SIGN.
THIS IS LOOKING NORTH ONE TO THE PROPERTY.
UM, THIS IS LOOKING NORTHEAST, UH, OF TELEPHONE ROAD, SOUTHEAST SURROUNDING PROPERTY.
THIS IS THE WAREHOUSE THAT I TALKED ABOUT THAT WAS TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THIS IS FURTHER SOUTHEAST SHOWING, UH, SOME EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY ALONG TELEPHONE ROAD.
UM, RIGHT NOW AA HAS A 50 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK.
I DON'T SEE ANY CONCERN BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAVE THAT ROAD THAT HAS FRONTAGE.
SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY STRUCTURES.
ALL THE STRUCTURES ARE GONNA BE UP AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, DUE TO THAT LITTLE TAIL THAT I SHOWED YOU EARLIER.
UM, HERE IS THE FORWARD DALLAS CONSISTENCY REVIEW.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S AN, UH, INSTITUTIONAL CAMPUS.
I DID TALK TO THE LONG RANGE STAFF, AND I THINK WHEN WE WAS DOING THE FAIR DALLAS, WE WERE THINKING THAT DALLAS, UH, DALLAS COLLEGE WAS GONNA KEEP THAT PROPERTY AND MAYBE DEVELOP OR EXTEND THE COLLEGE, BUT THEY RESOLD IT OUT.
UM, SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S A INDUSTRIAL CAMPUS, UM, PLACE TYPE, I STILL FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS NEW WAREHOUSE GOING IN, THE SMALLER WAREHOUSE GOING IN BECAUSE OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND ALSO TO THE EAST IS LIKE INDUSTRIAL.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? UH, JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION.
THERE WAS A, UH, PHOTOS OF HOMES THAT WERE, I GUESS SURROUNDING WHERE THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL BE.
ARE THOSE HOMES ON THE LANCASTER SIDE, CITY OF LANCASTER, OR IS IT, ARE THOSE WITHIN DALLAS? I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? YOU JUST BREAK IT UP A LITTLE.
I HEARD THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT I HEARD LANCASTER.
SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PROPERTIES TO THE YES.
YOU SAID, ARE THOSE HOMES LOCATED ON THE, IN THE CITY OF LANCASTER OR IN THE CITY OF DALLAS? IT'S LANCASTER.
SO THAT PROPERTY, THE WEST PROPERTY BOUNDARY LINE OF THAT PROPERTY IS THE LAST LITTLE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S IN CITY OF DALLAS FOR THAT LITTLE AREA.
SO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S WEST OF THAT, THAT PROPERTY IS CITY OF LANCASTER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? QUESTION A QUICK QUESTION.
IS THERE, UM, ANY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON THIS? AND HAVE WE HAD ANY, UM, AGREEMENT OR DISAGREEMENT FROM THE COLLEGE ITSELF? THE, OH, THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
THERE'S ALSO A CREEK THAT SEPARATES THIS PROPERTY IN THE, UM, THERE'S SOME GREEN LAND AND THEN ALSO A CREEK THAT SEPARATES THIS PROPERTY FROM THE, UH, COLLEGE THAT RUNS AT THE REAR OF THIS PROPERTY, SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, THIS, THIS, UH, THIS ONE'S ON CONSENT.
IF WE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE IT OFF TO ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION THIS AFTERNOON? NO.
I'LL, UM, I, I TRUST THE COMMISSIONER TO HANDLE IT.
OKAY, WE'LL KEEP IT ON CONSENT.
LET'S GO TO CASE NUMBER EIGHT.
DO WE NEED NUMBER EIGHT? BRIEFED? OKAY, WE'LL GO TO NUMBER NINE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WE'D LIKE TO BRIEF CASE NUMBER NINE, PLEASE.
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WE DON'T, DO WE NEED A BRIEF? NO.THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO TRACK C AND C ONE WITHIN PD 24 LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF ROLLING HILLS LANE AND WATERFALL WAY ON THE WEST LINE OF WATERFALL WAY BETWEEN ROLLING HILLS LANE AND BROOK GREEN DRIVE.
IT IS APPROXIMATELY 9.5070 ACRES.
THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP LOCATED IN DISTRICT 11.
THIS IS THE AERIAL AND ZONING LAND USE MAP.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE TO THE NORTH, WE DO HAVE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED TO THE WEST.
WE HAVE A PUBLIC SCHOOL TO THE SOUTH.
WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AS WELL AS MULTI-FAMILY.
AND THEN TO THE EAST WE HAVE A BIKE TRAIL, A PUBLIC UTILITY, AS WELL AS MULTI-FAMILY.
FOR THE BACKGROUND, THE AREA REQUEST IS ZONED TRACK C AND C ONE WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 24, WHICH WAS ESTABLISHED IN BY COUNCIL IN 1996.
1966, SORRY, CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A, UH, PUBLIC ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND SURFACE PARKING FOR THE SCHOOL, WHICH ARE THE ONLY PERMITTED USES, UM, ON THESE TRACKS FOR THE PD RICHARDSON, ISD HAS, UH, DECOMMISSIONED THE ADOBE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO REPURPOSE THE EXISTING SCHOOL FOR A, UM, COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER AS PART OF A BROADER REVITALIZATION EFFORT GOING AROUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THESE ARE A COUPLE OF THE SITE PHOTOS.
SO THIS IS THE SITE FROM FLAGSTONE.
THIS IS THE FROM FLAGSTONE AT ROLLING HILLS.
THIS IS LOOKING AT THE BIKE TRAIL ALONG ESPERANZA WITH THE MULTIFAMILY ACROSS.
THIS IS THE SITE FROM THE BIKE TRAIL ALONG ESPERANZA.
THESE ARE THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED ALONG BROOK GREEN.
THIS IS THE MULTIFAMILY ACROSS BROOK GREEN.
THIS IS THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED ALONG BROOK GREEN.
AND THEN THIS IS ALONG BROOK GREEN FROM WATERFALL WAY.
THIS IS A LONG WATERFALL FROM BROOK GREEN.
THIS IS THE CORNER OF, UH, WATERFALL IN BROOK GREEN WITH THE COMMUNITY POOL.
HERE IS THE SCHOOL PARKING LOT ON TRACK C ONE.
THIS IS THE SCHOOL PARKING LOT ON C ONE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE ADJACENT SCHOOL BEHIND THE TRACT OF C ONE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE SITE FROM WATERFALL.
AND THEN THIS IS TRACK C ONE UNDEVELOPED.
THIS IS THE SITE FROM THE ALLEY ADJACENT TO TRACK C ONE.
THIS IS THE, ALONG THE FRONT OF THE SCHOOL FROM WATERFALL WAY.
AND THEN THIS IS SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED ALONG ROLLING HILLS.
THE FRONT ENTRY FROM ROLLING HILLS.
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THIS IS THE ALLEY OFF ROLLING HILLS ALONG ROLLING HILLS AGAIN.AND THEN THIS IS THE PD 24 DEVELOPMENT PLAN EXISTING.
AND THEN THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE AND LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR TRACK C AND C ONE.
AND SO HERE ARE THE PROPOSED PD CONDITIONS.
UM, SO YOU HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THEN THE SITE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
UM, PLEASE DO NOTE THAT, UM, THERE WILL BE THE CITY ATTORNEY PROVIDING LANGUAGE THAT WOULD, UH, ALLOW THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND TRACK C AND C ONE SITE LANDSCAPE PLAN SHOWING A SCHOOL TO BE USED FOR THE SCHOOL, UH, REPURPOSED AS A COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER.
THESE ARE THE PERMITTED USES AS PART OF THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS.
THESE ARE THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS CONTINUED.
UM, SO FOR HERE WE DO HAVE THE, FOR THE PUBLIC SCHOOL OR COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER USE IN TRACK CA MINIMUM OF A HUNDRED OFF STREET PARKING SPACES IS REQUIRED, OR THE USE MUST SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 51, A DASH 4.200, WHICHEVER IS LESS.
AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.
UM, I, I MAY HAVE MISSED WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
'CAUSE IN THE DOCKET IT JUST SAYS, UM, APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
WHAT WAS THE, THE CHANGE THAT WAS MADE THAT REQUIRES THE, AS BRIEFED? IS THERE ANY CHANGE THAT DID NOT APPEAR IN THE DOCKET? UM, SO AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, UM, THE CHANGE IS JUST THE, UH, THE LANGUAGE THAT WILL NEED TO BE, UM, ADDED TO THE CONDITIONS AS PART OF THE, UH, TO ALLOW THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND, AND TRACK C AND C ONE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WOULD SHOW A SCHOOL TO BE USED AS, UM, FOR THE SCHOOL TO BE REPURPOSED AS A COMMITTEE SERVICE CENTER.
SO WE'RE MISSING THAT LANGUAGE.
BUT THO THOSE CHANGES WERE IN OUR DOCKET, CORRECT? N NO, MA'AM.
SO THE LANGUAGE IS NECESSARY BECAUSE THE, THOSE PLANS SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT THAT A SCHOOL IS TO BE LOCATED AT THIS SITE.
SO SINCE IT'S GONNA BE REPURPOSED, WE, WE ARE ADDING LANGUAGE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S ASSISTANCE TO SAY THAT, THAT THAT EXISTING, THOSE EXISTING PLANS WHERE YOU SEE THEM LABELED AS SCHOOLS, CAN ALSO BE USED FOR THE SCHOOL REPURPOSED AS A COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME AMEND A PLAN JUST TO CHANGE A LABEL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'LL KEEP GOING.
DO WE NEED NUMBER 10 BRIEFED? OKAY.
OR DO WE NEED THAT ONE BRIEFED? OKAY, SO IT TAKES US TO NUMBER 12.
I'M SORRY, I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT NUMBER 11, PLEASE.
THE STATUS OF THEIR 12 B WAS UNDETERMINED AT THE RIGHT AT THE TIME OF THE DOCKET.
DO WE KNOW IF THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE 12 B ORDINANCE? GOOD MORNING.
IS IT WORKING OKAY? UM, GOOD MORNING.
NO, I DO NOT KNOW THE STATUS YET.
DO WE NEED 12 BRIEFED? UH, WE DON'T NEED 12 BRIEFED, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE PLANNER, PLEASE.
UH, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT LET YOU GO.
UH, I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE, THE APPLICANT OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS AND THE APPLICANT,
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UH, SAID THAT HE WANTED TO CHANGE, UH, THE APPLICATION OR THE, HE'S APPLYING FOR FROM A R FIVE TO A R 7.5.UH, HAS HE REACHED OUT TO YOU TO MAKE THAT THAT CHANGE? NO.
I KNOW AT THE LAST, UM, BRIEFING, UM, HE DID STATE IT, UM, IT WAS STATED AT, AT THE HEARING THAT IT WAS, UH, GOING TO, HE WANTED TO CHANGE IT TO AN R UH, SEVEN FIVE A, BUT HE HASN'T COME IN TO ACTUALLY CHANGE IT ON THE APPLICATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? ALRIGHT, WE'LL GO TO, UM, 13TH.
WE'LL HOLD THIS UNDER ADVISEMENT.
WE'RE HAVING A COMMUNITY MEETING ON MONDAY.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL HOLD THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT TWO.
DO YOU HAVE A DATE? COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, DO YOU HAVE A DATE FOR THAT? COMMISSIONER? FRANKLIN, DO YOU HAVE A DATE FOR THE HOLDING? HOLDING TO WHAT DATE? THE, THIS IS THE 22ND.
UH, WHAT'S THE FIRST, UM, JUNE DATE WE HAVE 12TH.
SO THAT TAKES US TO NUMBER 14.
ANY QUESTIONS ON 14 COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
15 AND 16, UH, WILL BOTH BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO JUNE.
SO THAT TAKES US TO OUR AUTHORIZED HEARING NUMBER 17.
NUMBER, UM, 15 IS GOING TO GO FORWARD TODAY.
I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
IT'S 16 AND 17 THAT ARE GOING TO BE UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL THE 26TH.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UH, WELL, DO YOU HAVE A QUE DO YOU WANT THE BRIEFED NUMBER 15? I DON'T NEED IT BRIEFED.
ANYBODY NEED IT BRIEFED? ANY QUESTIONS ON NUMBER 15? UH, CHAIR? COULD I, COULD I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, 16 TO 17? AND MAYBE THIS IS DIRECTED TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, BUT SURE.
BUT, UM, I'M, CAN I GET SOME CLARITY ON, ON WHY THESE TWO ARE SEEMINGLY DEALING WITH THE SAME ISSUE? WE HAVE AN AUTHORIZED HEARING, THEN WE HAVE AN APPLICATION AND IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT LIKE A CHICKEN AND AN EGG THING TO ME.
MAYBE JUST CAN WE GET A LITTLE UNDERSTANDING OF WHY IT'S ON OUR DOCKET TWICE? WELL, A REQUEST FOR AN AUTHORIZED HEARING WAS SUBMITTED FIRST, AND THEN THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED, UH, A REQUEST TO RENEW THEIR EXISTING SUP.
AND SO, SO THEY BOTH HAD TO MOVE FORWARD.
ONE DOESN'T, SO I GUESS THATS WHY THEY'RE MOVING IN TAND.
IT SEEMS LIKE ON THE DOCKET, WOULDN'T WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE AUTHORIZED HEARING BEFORE WE DEALT WITH THE APPLICATION? I WOULD THINK SO, BUT IT, I'M GOING TO RESOLVE THAT DURING THE TIME PERIOD.
IT'S GOING TO BE I'M, YOU'LL EVERY CONFIDENCE THAT YOU'LL, SO, SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I THOUGHT.
IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A METAL SALVAGE FACILITY ON PROPERTY ZONE IN I AM INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING DISTRICT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SINGLETON BOULEVARD BETWEEN PLUTO STREET AND NORWICH STREET, APPROXIMATELY 9.16 ACRES IN TOTAL SIZE.
UH, SO CURRENTLY ZONED, IM INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING.
THERE'S AN EXISTING BUILDING THERE IN A PARKING LOT.
UH, IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SINGLETON AND IT'S ONLY FRONT SINGLETON.
THERE'S NO OTHER PROPOSED CHANGE TO THE LAND USE.
UM, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY ZONING CASE IN THE AREA IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AND THEY'RE INTENDING TO OPERATE THIS METAL SALVAGE FACILITY INDOORS.
UH, SO HERE WE SEE IT IN, UH, FAR WESTERN DALLAS, FAR WEST DALLAS IS THE AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE SUBJECT SITE, UH, THE ZONING MAP, AS YOU SEE, IT'S A MIX OF, UH, DIFFERENT, UM, THERE'S INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING, INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH GENERALLY QUITE A BIT THERE.
THERE IS R FIVE A IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST.
UM, IT IS SEPARATED BY SEVERAL BUILDINGS BETWEEN THE AREA OF REQUEST AND THE R FIVE A.
UH, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, I WOULD SAY THAT AREA IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU'D EXPECT IN A, IN A MORE
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INDUSTRIALIZED AREA WITH JUST A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES SUPPORTING INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITIES.THE, THIS IS ON SINGLETON BOULEVARD, JUST OF THE SUBJECT SITE IN THE FACILITY.
UH, APPARENTLY IT WAS ONCE A BALLOON FACTORY, WHICH EXPLAINS THE COLORS THERE.
I DID NOT KNOW THAT UNTIL A CALL FROM A CITIZEN YESTERDAY HERE.
WE'RE LOOKING AWAY FROM THE SITE.
UH, THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S SITE PLAN.
IT'S, THEY INTEND TO USE THE, IN THE, THE BUILDING.
THEY WILL DO THE ACTIVITIES IN THE BUILDING.
UH, PARKING WILL BE PROVIDED AT, UM, 82 SPACES TOTAL.
UH, THERE'S JUST AN ENLARGED VIEW OF THAT.
UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, AGAIN, THERE'S COMMERCIAL, RETAIL, INDUSTRIAL USES SURROUNDING THE SITE THAT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA OF REQUEST AND THE PROPOSED LAND USE.
UH, IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S IMMEDIATELY AROUND IT.
AGAIN, IT IS WITHIN ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET OF THIS RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, BUT THERE IS BUFFERING BY OTHER WAREHOUSES AND OTHER STRUCTURES BETWEEN THE SUBJECTS SITE AND THE RESIDENTIAL AREA TO THE EAST.
AND THE ACTIVITIES WILL OCCUR IN INDOOR, UH, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH FORWARD DALLAS 2.0 AS COMMUNITY MIXED USE.
UM, THERE IS, UH, THE MAIN REASON FOR THE BRIEFING WAS THERE SOME CHANGES TO THE CONDITIONS SINCE THE PUBLICATION OF THE DOCKET.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THAT THE USE IS A METAL SALVAGE FACILITY LIMITED TO SORTING AND BAILING THAT IS BEING DEFINED WITHIN THE SUP CONDITIONS WITH SORTING, MEANING SEPARATING DIFFERENT TYPES OF SCRAP METAL AND BAILING, MEANING COMPACTING SORTED METAL INTO DENSE, MANAGEABLE BUNDLES.
SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY SORT OF SMELTING OR MELTING OR ANY OTHER, UH, TRANSFORMATION AS IT WERE OF THESE, UH, SCRAP METAL PIECES IS, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S MORE OR LESS THE SCRAP METAL COMES IN AND THEY SORT IT INTO DIFFERENT TYPES THAT BAIL IT TOGETHER AND THEN IT GETS SHIPPED OUT FROM THERE TO A METAL PROCESSOR.
AND FURTHERMORE, IT IS A INSIDE OPERATION, SO IT ALMOST OCCUR WITHIN THE ENCLOSED BUILDING.
AND IT'S, UH, THEY DID RE REDUCE THE FLOOR AREA SLIGHTLY TO BE 70,000 SQUARE FEET.
STATUS'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND STATUS, RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS IS BRIEFED.
QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, MR. BAT, THIS APPLICANT IS ALREADY OPERATING AT THIS SITE WITH, UH, A, A CO, UH, WITH THE CURRENT ZONING BEING INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING, THEY ARE ALLOWED BY THAT ZONING TO BAIL THE UH, MATERIAL.
IS THAT CORRECT? UH, I WOULD'VE TO CHECK WITH THEIR CO IS FOR, UM, WELL, I, I, OKAY.
WELL, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE ONLY THING THAT THIS, UM, WELL, LET ME ASK A QUESTION.
UM, IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT SORTING IS THE ACTIVITY THAT IS BEING PERMITTED BY THIS SUP? UH, I WOULD SAY THE SEP WILL PERMIT SORTING AND BAILING.
UM, IF BAILING IS ALREADY ALLOWED BY THE CO, THEN IT'S A BIT, UM, THE DUPLICATIVE PERHAPS, BUT IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW THE SORTING OF MATERIALS.
AND THIS IS A COMPLETELY INSIDE OPERATION? CORRECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, THAT TAKES US TO 26 25.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, ARE YOU THERE? SIR? I THINK THIS ONE WAS BRIEF, BRIEF BEFORE.
WAS THAT, WAS THIS BRIEF? COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES.
UM, WE'VE HAD GREAT CONVERSATION.
UM, SO WE CAN, I, I'M READY TO MAKE A VOTE THIS EVENING.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? COMMISSIONERS.
YEAH, WE DID, ANDREA MENTIONED YESTERDAY, THE PRE, IF THEY WERE GONNA BRIEF IT AGAIN BEFORE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON 26TH THAT HAD NO CHANGES? IT WAS BRIEFED LAST TIME.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? ANY QUESTIONS? COMMERS? WHAT'S THAT? IT, IT WAS BRIEF.
WAS IT BRIEF BEFORE HERE ON THE AREA PLAN? YEAH.
YES, IT WAS BRIEFED, BUT I HAVE A, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, PLEASE.
YEAH, WE NEED, WE'LL GET SOME HERE, SO, OKAY.
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WE, WE DO HAVE A HARD STOP AT 11, COMMISSIONER, SO THERE'S, THERE'S AN EVENT HAPPENING AT THE FLAG ROOM.ARE WE TRYING TO BREACH THIS? NO.
OH, WE'RE GONNA ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY, PATRICK, OR ARE THEY, ARE THEY NOT HERE? WE CAN, WE CAN ASK THEM LATER.
YEAH, THEY, THEY SHOULD BE IN THE BUILDING, BUT IN THEY, ARE THEY JUST PREPARING FOR THIS? YEAH.
ALRIGHT THEN I THINK WE JUST HAD NUMBER, WAS IT SEVEN THAT WE WERE GONNA PUSH BACK? OH, AND D 13.
WHAT'S NUMBER SIX? DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS ON NUMBER SIX? ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE? NUMBER SIX.
WE ARE MOVING AROUND THIS MORNING, FOLKS.
UM, DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME ON NUMBER SIX? YES.
MY QUESTION, UM, HAD TO DO WITH THE, UM, ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE CASE REPORT ABOUT THE DIFFICULTY AT THIS SITE IN MAKING LEFT TURNS ONTO MIDWAY, AND THAT THEY HAD SOME CONCERN ABOUT EITHER ALLOWING THEM OR DISALLOWING THEM IN THE, SO THIS MAY BE A MR. NAVARRO'S QUESTION.
THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS THOUGH.
UM, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, DAVID CONVEYED THAT HE DID WORK THAT OUT WITH THEM.
THEY TURNED IN A TRAFFIC STUDY AND, YOU KNOW, SHOWED THAT IT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.
SO, UH, TRANSPORTATION DID ACCEPT THAT CHANGE WITH PERIODIC REVIEWS, UH, THROUGH THE TMP PROCESS.
MY OTHER QUESTION HAD TO DO WITH, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS, UH, THE, THE POPULATION FOR THIS, UM, SCHOOL SPECIAL NEEDS AND NOBODY WILL BE, UM, WALKING OR THE PARENTS WILL BE DROPPING THESE, THESE STUDENTS OFF.
SO I, I KNOW THIS IS AN EXISTING CHURCH CAMPUS.
UM, WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR REQUIRING THEM TO ADD, UM, PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES ALONG MIDWAY WHEN THERE WILL NOT BE ANY SORT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL POPULATION USING THAT? YEAH, I FRONTAGE, ALTHOUGH THEY WON'T BE WALKING TO SCHOOL MM-HMM
UM, WE DO ASK THAT OF THE SCHOOLS.
THEY'LL, THEY STILL MAY BE, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO SIT DOWN OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE PARENTS OR, UM, SO IT'S JUST STANDARD LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE ADDING TO ALL SCHOOLS.
THAT, THAT IS STANDARD FOR THE SCHOOLS AND THEY, THE APPLICANT WAS, DID ACCEPT THOSE.
UM, SO WE WERE ABLE TO INCLUDE THOSE LIKE WE TYPICALLY DO FOR SCHOOLS.
AND I KNOW WE GOT ONE BALLOT THAT EXPRESSED SOME CONCERN ABOUT, UM, TRAFFIC, POSSIBLY THE QUEUE POSSIBLY BACKING UP ON MIDWAY.
BUT THE, UH, WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT REPORT SEEMED TO INDICATE THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE SPACE THAT, UM, THEY WERE ANTICIPATING THERE WAS ENOUGH ROOM FOR 40 CARS AND THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
AND I DO SEE, UH, MR. UM, NAVAREZ ONLINE.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE WANTS TO INTERJECT, BUT, OKAY.
YEAH, I, MR. NAVAREZ, UH, THERE WAS A CONCERN IN THE CASE REPORT EXPRESSED ABOUT THE DIFFICULTY FROM THIS SITE TURNING LEFT ONTO MIDWAY.
UM, MS. LEVY HAS INDICATED THAT, UH, SHE THOUGHT THAT IT HAD BEEN WORKED OUT.
COULD YOU, UM, ELABORATE ON THAT A BIT? GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.
I'M AT A REMOTE LO OFFICE, UH, THIS MORNING, AND I'M NOT THERE IN PERSON.
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ME, BUT THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME AND ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS.THE ISSUE HAS TEMPORARILY BEEN RESOLVED.
I'M OF, I'M MUST STEAL THE OPINIONS THAT PARENTS WILL STRUGGLE TO EXIT OUT OF THIS FACILITY TURNING LEFT.
UM, WHICH, WHICH IS AN EXISTING CONDITION AT THE, SO THIS SCHOOL HAS AN EXISTING FACILITY FURTHER NORTH OF NORTH, UH, NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO FORCE ALL PARENTS TO EXIT TURNING BRIGHT GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON MIDWAY, INSTEAD OF, UM, HAVING THAT ONE CAR WAITING FOR A GAP AND BACKING UP ALL THE TRAFFIC BEHIND THEM AND THEN NOT ALLOWING THEM TO OPERATE WHAT I BELIEVE IS AN APPROPRIATE USE OF THE PROPERTY IN AN AN APPROPRIATE OPERATIONAL PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO US.
SO I, I THINK, I THINK I'M ANSWERING BOTH QUESTIONS.
ONE, WE AGREE THAT THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN IS APPROPRIATE AND WILL WORK IF IMPLEMENTED AS PROPOSED.
UH, I STILL THINK THAT THE OPERATIONS EXITING OUT OF THE SCHOOL WILL BE SEVERELY IMPACTED BY TRAFFIC IN THE MORNING AND THE AFTERNOON FORCING PARENTS TO TURN.
THE ISSUE IS THAT WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE PARENTS HEADING NORTH? UH, EVEN IF YOU TURN RIGHT, UH, AND I WANNA PAUSE HERE TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE LISTENING.
UH, SO AS YOU'RE EXITING TO TURN RIGHT, THERE ARE NO FACILITIES TO ALLOW FOR U-TURNS ME MAKING MAY, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING VEHICLES TO COME BACK HEADING NORTH.
UH, AND SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE CONSTRUCTION OF A LEFT TURN LANE.
WHO WOULD PAY FOR THAT IN, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE? SO, BUT, BUT I THINK I'M GETTING AHEAD.
UH, I BELIEVE THAT'S, THAT IS AN OPINION THAT CITY STAFF SHARES ABOUT THE PROPOSED IMPACT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WE BELIEVE THAT IT WILL FUNCTION AS PROPOSED WHAT A RECOMMENDATION IS TO GIVE THE SCHOOL A CHANCE TO OPERATE THE FIRST YEAR AND THEN COME BACK WITH A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT SHOWS WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS A, A MITIGATION THAT THEY HAVE TO, UM, MITIGATE.
DID I SAY? WELL, UH, IF, IF THAT'S A, AN EXERCISE THAT WE HAVE TO COLLABORATE WITH THE SCHOOL, UM, WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REQUEST AS PROPOSED WITH A ONE YEAR OR TWO YEAR, EXCUSE ME, LORI, I, I FORGOT IF IT'S A ONE OR TWO YEAR, UM, UPDATE.
WELL, RIGHT NOW, THE, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS.
BUT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU IS THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS FOR A SHORTER TIME PERIOD.
SO TRAFFIC STUDY COMPONENT, MA'AM.
OH, THE TRAFFIC STUDY COMPONENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
UH, I BELIEVE THAT THAT CONCLUDES OUR CASES, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
IT IS EXACTLY 10:00 AM AND THAT CONCLUDES THE BRIEFING OF THE LC PLAN COMMISSION.
[CALL TO ORDER]
OKAY.CAN WE START OFF WITH THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SCHOCK.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DISTRICT FOUR.
COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, DISTRICT FIVE.
COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN PRESENT? DISTRICT NINE.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT HERE.
DISTRICT 14, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON HERE AND PLACE 15 VICE CHAIR RUBEN, DO YOU HAVE QUORUM, SIR? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
WELCOME TO THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, MAY 8TH, 2020 5, 12 30 2:00 PM COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET RIGHT INTO THE AGENDA.
UH, OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES, EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES.
I WILL PLEASE ASK ALL THE SPEAKERS TO BEGIN YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, WE DO HAVE SOME REGISTERED SPEAKERS THAT WILL BE ONLINE.
UH, WE'LL ASK ALL OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CAMERA IS ON AND WORKING.
WE CAN'T HEAR FROM YOU IF WE CAN'T SEE YOU.
UM, FOR CASES THAT WE HAVE OPPOSITION PER OUR RULES, THE APPLICANT WILL GET A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL.
AND AGAIN, I WOULD ASK ALL OUR SPEAKERS TO BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
WE HAVE THESE LITTLE YELLOW FORMS DOWN HERE ON THE, ON THE TABLE
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TO THE BOTTOM THERE TO YOUR RIGHT AT SOME POINT TODAY.UH, WE'D REALLY APPRECIATE FOR YOU GUYS TO COME DOWN AND JUST FILL ONE OF THESE OUT.
YOU CAN LEAVE IT ON THE TABLE THAT WE, WE HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR VISIT WITH US HERE TODAY.
THERE ARE ALSO AGENDAS THERE IF YOU NEED ONE.
UM, AND WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN HAS GRACIOUSLY AGREED TO SERVE AS VICE CHAIR.
UH, TODAY WE GET A MOTION FOR THAT.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEMAN FOR YOUR SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, LET'S START OUT WITH THE MINUTES.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
TO MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE COMMISSION'S MEETING MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 6TH, FEBRUARY 20, MARCH FOUR, MARCH 6TH, AND APRIL 24TH, 2025.COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? SEE? AND NONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER HERBERT AND COMMISSIONER HAWK ARE BOTH ONLINE.
[Zoning Cases - Consent]
LET'S GO TO OUR ZONING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, UH, AT THIS POINT, CASES, UH, 1, 4, 5, AND SIX HAVE COME OFF CONSENT.THAT LEAVES 2, 3, 7, 8, 9, AND 10.
UH, SO LADIES, MR. CHAIR, I DON'T BELIEVE ITEM FOUR IS OFF OF CONSENT.
IT WAS GONNA BE APPROVAL AS BRIEFED.
OH, THAT'S RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT.
SO WE HAVE CASES 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 10.
UH, SO LADIES, GENTLEMEN, THOSE, THOSE CASES WILL BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION UNLESS THERE'S SOMEONE HERE THAT WANTS TO BE HEARD ON CASES.
ANY ONE OF THOSE CASES? 2, 3, 4? YES.
YOU'RE TESTING ME, COMMISSIONER, I HAVE TO, I'M FAILING.
UH, SO THOSE WILL BE TAKEN IN ONE MOTION.
DOES ANYONE WANNA BE HEARD ON CASE 2 3 4 7 8 9 10.
OKAY, WE'LL GET THOSE RIGHT INTO THE RECORD PLEASE.
ITEM NUMBER TWO IS KZ 2 45 1 19.
AN APPLICATION FOR NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUB AREA FOR RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL USES ON PROPERTIES ZONE SUB AREA THREE WITHIN PLANNED NUMBER THREE 16, THE JEFFERSON AREA SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SUB SOUTHEAST CORNER OF WEST 12TH STREET AND SOUTH MADISON AVENUE.
STAR RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
ITEM NUMBER THREE IS KZ 2 45 1 69.
AN APPLICATION FOR REMOVAL OF AD LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON PROPERTY ZONED PLAN DISTRICT NUMBER NINE WITH AD LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON NORTHEAST LINE OF FAIRMONT STREET SOUTHEAST OF MAN STREET STYLE.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE REMOVAL OF THE DE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS KZ 2 4573.
AN APPLICATION FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ALCOHOLIC PROVISION.
S LIMITED TO A BAR, LOUNGE, OR TAVERN ON PROPERTY ZONE.
CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF NORTH FITSU AVENUE, A NORTHWEST OF BRYAN STREET.
THAT CONDITIONS APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO PL AND CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS KZ 2 45 1 66.
AN APPLICATION FOR A LI LINE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE, AA AGRICULTURE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF TELEPHONE ROAD EAST OF NORTH DALLAS AVENUE.
STAR RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS KZ 2 4575, AN APPLICATION FOR AN NOA NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT AND PROPERTY ZONE.
AND R SEVEN 50, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF WEST JEFFERSON BOULEVARD, EAST OF NORTH TENNANT STREET.
STAR RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
ITEM NUMBER NINE IS KZ 2 4 5 2 0 1.
AN APPLICATION PER AN AMENDMENT TO TRACK C AND C ONE WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 24 ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF ROLLING HILLS LANE AND WATERFALL WAY.
AND ON THE WEST LINE OF WATERFALL WAY BETWEEN ROLLING HILLS AND BERG GREEN DRIVE.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.
ITEM NUMBER 10 IS KZ 2 3 4 2 4 5.
AND APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2238 FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT.
LIMITED TO A PRIVATE CLUB BAR ON A PROPERTY ZONE SUBDISTRICT C SIX C IN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT EIGHT 30 ON THE EAST LINE OF NORTH TYLER STREET, NORTHWEST DAVIS STREET.
SO RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO SIDE PLAN
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AND CONDITIONS.ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS? OKAY, SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER CHERNO, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? I DO.
I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE CONSENT ITEMS AS READ INTO THE RECORD.
COMMISSIONER SHERLOCK FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, ONE QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT BEFORE WE GET TO, UH, LET, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GO TO CASE NUMBER ONE AND TAKE THAT ONE UP NEXT.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD TO OUR, UH, SOUTH DALLAS FAIR AREA PLAN.
SO WE'LL DO CASE NUMBER ONE NEXT.
AFTER THAT, WE'LL SKIP TO THE LAST CASE NUMBER 26.
[1. 25-1562A An application for a Planned Development District for residential and nonresidential uses on property zoned IR Industrial Research District, on the east line of North Beckley Avenue, north of East Comstock Street.]
ONE IS KZ 2 3 4 2 1 9.AN APPLICATION FOR A PLANNED DELAYMENT DISTRICT FOR RESIDENTIAL NON-RESIDENTIAL USES ON PROPERTY ZONED IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT ON THE EAST LINE OF NORTH BECKLEY AVENUE NORTH OF EAST COM.
STOKE STREET STATE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DELAY PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE? APPLICANT IS HERE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SCENE NONE.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES.
IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34 DASH 2019.
I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND PUT THIS CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL JUNE THE 12TH, 2025.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
[26. 25-1587A Consideration of the adoption of the South Dallas Fair Park Area Plan, an area generally bounded Haskell Ave to the North, the Southern Pacific Central Bypass Rail line to the East, Botham Jean Blvd to the South, and the Gulf, Colorado and Santa Fe Rail line to the West.]
SKIP FORWARD TO CASE NUMBER 26.GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT AND RENEWAL.
ITEM NUMBER 26 IS CONSIDERATION OF THE ADOPTION OF THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK AREA PLAN, AN AREA GENERALLY BOUNDED BY HASKELL AVENUE TO THE NORTH, THE SOUTHERN PACIFIC CENTRAL BYPASS RAIL LINE TO THE EAST BOTHAM JEAN BOULEVARD TO THE SOUTH, AND THE GULF, COLORADO AND SANTA FE, REAL LAND TO THE WEST.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE READY FOR INPUT.
UH, MY NAME IS, THERE'S A LITTLE BUTTON DOWN THERE FOR THE MICROPHONE.
ADDRESS IS 1708 MARTIN LUTHER KING, JUNIOR BOULEVARD, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5.
UM, AGAIN, MY NAME IS SCOTTY SMITH II.
UM, AND I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE AND PRIVILEGE OF SERVING AS THE CHAIR FOR THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK AIRPLANE TASK FORCE SINCE 2020.
AND FIRST OFF, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, PATRICK, LINDSAY, AND ANDREA, UH, FOR ALL THEIR DEDICATED WORK TIME, ENERGY, EFFORT, LATE NIGHT PHONE CALLS THAT THEY GAVE TO US TO ENSURE THAT THIS PLAN FINALLY CAME TO LIFE.
AND SO, FOR FAR TOO LONG, SOUTH DALLAS HAS BEEN STUDIED PLAN FOR AND PICKED OVER WITH LITTLE, LITTLE TO SHOW FORWARD.
THIS WORK BEGAN IN 2020, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF COVID-19 PANDEMIC.
DESPITE EVERY CHALLENGE THAT THE SEASON BROUGHT, WE PUSHED FORWARD.
WE HELD NUMEROUS COMMUNITY MEETINGS, ENGAGED RESIDENTS, BUSINESS OWNERS, STAKEHOLDERS, AND STAYED COMMITTED TO CREATING A PLAN THAT REFLECTED THE VOICE AND THE VISION OF ALL OF SOUTH DALLAS.
WHAT WE PRESENT TO YOU TODAY IS NOT JUST A DOCUMENT, IT'S A PRODUCT OF YEARS OF CONVERSATION, DELIBERATION, COLLABORATION, COMPROMISE, DEBATE, CARE, AND IT OUTLINES A PATH FORWARD OF SMART DEVELOPMENT, CULTURAL PRESERVATIONS, AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY CRAFTED BY AND FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN SOUTH DALLAS.
I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION TO ADOPT THIS PLAN WITH SOME, WITH SOME SMALL ADDITIONS, SPECIFICALLY TO THE LOT SIZES.
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BUT I ALSO WANNA STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF FOLLOW THROUGH.I'VE READ THROUGH NUMEROUS PLANS THAT WERE ADOPTED BY CPC IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, ABOUT SOUTH DALLAS.
IT'S THE IMPLEMENTATION THAT WE CARE ABOUT.
AND SO THE AUTHORIZED HEARING TO UPDATE PD 5 95 MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO DRAG ON THAT ZONING UPDATE IS CRITICAL TO UNLOCKING THE FULL POTENTIAL OF THIS PLAN.
AND WE CANNOT AFFORD, WE CANNOT AFFORD THIS COMMUNITY, CANNOT AFFORD ANY MORE UNNECESSARY DELAYS.
AND SO THE COMMUNITY HAS DONE ITS PART.
SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT.
NOW WE'RE ASKING THE CITY TO DO THE SAME.
WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO ADOPT THIS PLAN, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, MOVE QUICKLY TO IMPLEMENT THE TOOLS AND THE RESOURCES AND ENSURE THAT THERE'S FINANCIAL SITUATIONS ALLOCATED TO ENSURE THAT THIS IMPLEMENTATION PLAN COMES TO LIFE.
WHO ARE YOU? WHO ARE YOU? I'M SORRY, YOUR NAME.
I THINK HE, OH, MY NAME IS SCOTTY SMITH II.
MR. SMITH, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
MY NAME IS DIANE, UH, RAGSDALE.
UH, I LIVE AT 36 11, UH, DUNBAR.
I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF SOUTH DALLAS PROPER.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE COME TO SUPPORT THE PLAN, UH, AND AS INDICATED BY MY CHAIRMAN, WE DO HAVE A FEW MINOR, WELL, NOT MINOR, A FEW ADDITIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDRESSED TODAY.
UH, THE PLAN, UH, IN PARTICULAR, FIRST AND FOREMOST, IS TO BENEFIT PEOPLE WHO LIVE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
WE DON'T WANT THE EXISTING RESIDENTS TO BE DISPLACED.
AND SO A SIGNIFICANT PART, UH, THAT IS ONE OF THE GOALS AS WELL.
I HAVE A FEW SLIDES BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO LIFT UP, UH, IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO LIFT UP BEFORE YOU IS IN ESSENCE, UH, IS THE INCOMPATIBLE, THE GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE HOUSING THAT IS NOW BEING BUILT.
THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE NEED TO HAVE THIS PLAN.
WE NEED TO DEVELOP DESIGN CRITERIA, DESIGN STANDARDS.
AND SO AS YOU SEE THIS HOUSE RIGHT HERE ON, UH, BY AND LARGE, IT'S ON A 25 FOOT WIDE LOT.
AND IT'S CERTAINLY, UH, INCOMPATIBLE.
MOVE ON, PLEASE TO THE NEXT ONE.
THEN THAT'S INCOMPATIBLE TO THE, TO THE AREA AS WELL.
THAT'S, AND YOU SEE HERE HOW GROCERIES IN INCOMPATIBLE COULD, COULD YOU SEE HERE HOW GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE IS WHERE YOU HAVE A HOUSE, UH, THAT'S GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE NEXT DOOR TO REALLY BY AND LARGE, WHAT THIS, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT OUR HOUSES BY AND LARGE LOOK LIKE.
UH, THE, UH, THIS ONLY ENHANCES, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF DISPLACEMENT AS A RESULT, UH, OF THE, UH, UH, REALLY EXPANDED, UH, INCOMPATIBLE STRUCTURE NEXT TO IT.
SO THAT IS OUR CONCERN AS WELL.
THIS RIGHT HERE IS, UH, ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 25 FOOT WIDE LOTS THAT IS STRICTLY INCOMPATIBLE, UH, TO THE AREA AS WELL.
THIS HOUSE RIGHT HERE IS, IS WHAT MOST OF OUR HOMES LOOK LIKE IN THE AREA, IN NEIGHBORHOOD, IN, IN SOUTH DALLAS PROPER.
AND SO I, I JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE, UH, OF THIS PLAN TO DEAL WITH THE NECESSARY, UH, UH, DESIGN STANDARDS.
UH, AND TO FIRST AND FOREMOST BENEFIT PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, BUT ALSO TO ADDRESS THOSE TWO ISSUES.
ONE IS THE 25 FOOT WIDE LOT, UH, TODAY, AS WELL AS THANK YOU.
I BEG YOUR PARDON? THAT'S YOUR TIME, MA'AM.
CAN I GET ANOTHER MINUTE, MR. CHAIRMAN? WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
MS. RAGSDALE STATE LAW PROHIBITS US ALL.
EACH SPEAKER HAS TO GET THE EXACT AMOUNT OF TIME, UNFORTUNATELY GIVES US NO DISCRETION AT ALL.
NO DISTRESS, NO DISCRETION AT ALL.
BUT YOU HAVE MY, JUST PLEASE JUST, UH, FINISH YOUR THOUGHT, PLEASE.
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MY THOUGHT IS THAT WE WANT TO CHANGE, MAKE SURE THE HEIGHT IS 30 FEET TODAY, AS WELL AS TO ADDRESS A 25 FOOT WIDE.THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
I RESIDE AT 2333 EUGENE STREET, 7 5 2 1 5.
I AM A MEMBER OF THE TASK FORCE.
WE HAVE WORKED FOR AT LEAST ALMOST FIVE YEARS ON THE COMPONENTS OF WHAT THE RESIDENTS OF QUEEN CITY.
THAT'S WHAT I REPRESENT, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
I HAVE HAD, UH, EXCELLENT DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO TODAY.
AND SO I GRACIOUSLY ASK EACH OF YOU TO CONSIDER IF THIS WERE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, HOW WOULD YOU VOTE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND THANKS FOR FILLING OUT THE CARD.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? YES, SIR.
I ALSO HAD A, UH, PRESENTATION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET THAT GOING.
ISAIAH PAYNE, JUST STAND BY ONE SECOND THAT WE'LL GET THAT UP FOR YOU.
UH, UH, DO WE KNOW IF HE'S IN OPPOSITION OR IN, UM, IN, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL IN ON SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT.
ARE YOU IN SUPPORT, SIR? UH, YES, SIR.
UH, PROPERTY I'M REPRESENTING AT 1715 DRISCOLL STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS.
UH, 7 5 2 1 5 IN DISTRICT SEVEN.
AND, UM, I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE DIVISION OF THE, UH, THE PLAN, THE PD 5 95 REVAMP.
BUT I WANTED TO TALK TO Y'ALL WHAT I CONSIDER UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF PD 5 95.
I'VE BEEN A HOMEOWNER IN SOUTH DALLAS SINCE 2007, AND, UM, OWNED QUITE A FEW PROPERTIES THAT I PURCHASED FROM THE GILLUM FAMILY IN SOUTH DALLAS.
LEGENDARY, UH, SOUTH DALLAS FAMILY.
UM, THE DUPLEXES THAT EXIST, THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR, FOR YEARS.
IN FACT, UH, I'LL SHOW YOU GUYS JUST A COUPLE OF 'EM RIGHT HERE.
UH, BASED ON THAT, THAT'S ONE OF 'EM.
SO THESE HAVE BEEN, THESE HOUSES WERE BUILT PROBABLY IN THE 1920S, 1930S, BEEN DUPLEXES ALL ALONG, UM, WITH PD 5 95 COME INTO EXISTENCE IN AROUND 2000, 2001.
UH, IF YOU SELL OR OWN A DUPLEX, AND IT'S UNOCCUPIED FOR SIX MONTHS AS IF IT'S A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, YOU LOSE ITS ABILITY TO BE A DUPLEX BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, I GUESS, SINGLE FAMILY INITIATIVES IN SOUTH DALLAS.
I'VE OWNED THESE PROJECTS FOR YEARS, HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM HELPING FAMILIES LIVING THERE.
BUT NOW I'M ACTUALLY BEING SUED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS BECAUSE THESE ARE NOW NON-CONFORMING DUPLEXES.
THEY, THEY HAVEN'T EVER BEEN ZONED DIFFERENTLY EXCEPT FOR THE OVERLAY OF PD 5 95.
SO THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, IF YOU ALREADY OWN A DUPLEX IN SOUTH DALLAS, UH, IF YOU SELL IT OR IF IT'S EMPTY COPPER, TH WHATEVER REASONS IT'S EMPTY FOR SIX MONTHS, THEN YOU
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CAN SOMEHOW LOSE THAT ABILITY.SO WHAT I'M ASKING THIS COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IS IF IT'S ALREADY A DUPLEX, WHY REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF HOUSING ACCESS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY IF WE'RE TRYING TO INCREASE IT? UM, THIS IS THE ONLY WAY SOMETIMES FAMILIES CAN EXIST.
IF YOU'RE A LANDLORD IN SOUTH DALLAS AND YOU ONLY HAVE NOW ONE UNIT, OR THEY'RE EXPECTING YOU TO TEAR IT DOWN, MAKE IT ONE UNIT, IT JUST SOUNDS KIND OF LUDICROUS.
UM, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF REALLY WHAT I WANTED TO SHARE.
I HAVE A, ANOTHER, JUST A QUICK LITTLE HANDOUT.
UH, JUST SHOW ME HOW DID YOU BRING IT UP? UM, THIS JUST SHOW THIS BODY THAT THESE HOUSES WERE PERMITTED.
UH, UH, THE NEXT ONE, WE'LL JUST GO TO THAT ONE RIGHT QUICK.
UH, AS A TWO FAMILY DWELLING, FOR INSTANCE, IT'S 36 0 6 COLONIAL.
IT WAS A DUPLEX IN THE EIGHTIES.
NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN IN 2025, IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE AND IT'S 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO THOSE TYPE OF SILLY TYPES OF THINGS, IN MY OPINION, ARE CREATING, UH, PROBLEMS FOR LANDLORDS WHO'S JUST TRYING TO CONTINUE TO THE LEGACY OF SOUTH DALLAS.
AND LIKE MS. DRYSDALE SAID, THESE BUILDINGS WERE BUILT IN THE WAY THAT SOUTH DALLAS REPRESENTS.
SO I JUST, UH, WOULD HOPE YOU ALL WOULD CONSIDER, UM, ADDING THAT CHANGE.
IF IT'S ALREADY BEEN AS A DUPLEX, LET'S NOT FORCE IT TO CONFORM TO NEW STANDARDS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS BEFORE WE GO TO OUR FOLKS ONLINE? GEORGE, UH, IT'S, UH, MR. ATKINS.
HOW ABOUT, UH, MS. MITCHELL? OKAY, MS. MITCHELL, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE ONLINE, WE'RE READY TO HEAR FROM YOU.
PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR CAMERA IS ON.
CAN YOU HEAR ME AND SEE ME? YES, WE CAN.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
I LIVE AT 7 0 0 7 LA VISTA DRIVE.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MY NEWSROOM, DALLAS FREE PRESS, WHICH HAS BEEN LISTENING TO SOUTH DALLAS NEIGHBORS FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS AS THEY WORK TOWARD COMPLETION OF THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK AREA PLAN.
DALLAS FREE PRESS HAS PUBLISHED SEVERAL STORIES ABOUT THIS PLAN, THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS SURROUNDING IT, AND THE ZONING CHALLENGES IN SOUTH DALLAS.
OUR DALLAS DOCUMENTERS HAVE COVERED DOZENS OF MEETINGS FOLLOWING THIS PLAN AND THE ZONING CASES THAT IMPACT NEIGHBORS.
HOWEVER, OUR GOAL IS NOT JUST TO INFORM NEIGHBORS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AT CITY HALL, BUT TO MAKE SURE THEY KNOW WHEN AND HOW TO MAKE THEIR VOICES HEARD IN DECISIONS THAT WILL IMPACT THEIR LIVES.
THAT'S WHY WE ALSO SENT DOZENS OF TEXT MESSAGES AND EMAILS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, INCLUDING ONE JUST YESTERDAY TO MORE THAN A THOUSAND SOUTH DALLAS NEIGHBORS, LETTING THEM KNOW WHEN TO ATTEND COMMUNITY OR PUBLIC MEETINGS AND WEIGH IN.
I'M TOLD THAT SOUTH DALLAS MEETINGS HAD THE HIGHEST ATTENDANCE OF ANY FORWARD DALLAS COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
SOUTH DALLAS NEIGHBORS KNOW BEST WHAT THEY NEED IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM SEVERAL OF THEM TODAY.
OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM LISTENING TO NEIGHBORS IS THAT THE PLAN REPRESENTS BOTH THE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE PROTECTIONS THEY WANT TO SEE IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
FOR THIS REASON, IT SHOULD RECEIVE YOUR APPROVAL AND CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL AS WELL.
BUT AS YOU KNOW, IF IT REMAINS SIMPLY A PLAN, IT WON'T HAVE THE POWER TO TRANSFORM SOUTH DALLAS IN THE WAY NEIGHBORS WANT TO SEE.
I ENCOURAGE YOU, CITY STAFF AND CITY COUNCIL TO MOVE SWIFTLY ON THE PLAN'S ACTION ITEMS, ESPECIALLY ON AN AUTHORIZED HEARING THAT WOULD TURN THIS PLAN INTO ZONING LAW GREENLIGHTING, THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT NEIGHBORS HAVE ALREADY GIVEN THEIR STAMP OF APPROVAL AND PUTTING ROADBLOCKS IN FRONT OF THINGS THAT MIGHT HARM THEM.
THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU DO ON BEHALF OF COMMUNITIES LIKE SOUTH DALLAS.
NEIGHBORS HAVE INVESTED SO MUCH INTO THEIR COMMUNITY AND INTO THIS PLAN TO SHAPE THEIR FUTURE.
PLEASE DON'T MAKE THEM WAIT ANY LONGER.
UH, WELL, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD BEFORE WE GO TO QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? I'M GONNA START OUT, IF YOU DON'T MIND, UH, MR. RAGSDALE QUESTION FOR YOU.
COULD YOU PLEASE CONTINUE YOUR COMMENTS? YOU MIGHT HAVE TO TURN ON THE LITTLE MICROPHONE THERE.
JUST PLEASE MAKE SURE THE MIC IS
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ON SO OUR FOLKS ONLINE CAN HEAR.ONE OF THE, UH, KEY THINGS THAT WE EXPERIENCED AND THAT YOU SAW WAS, WAS THAT WE HAD, WE HAVE TWO STORY, WHAT WE CALL, WHAT WE CALL TWO STORY SHOTGUN HOUSES, PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE, UH, 25, UH, FOOT WIDE LOTS.
AND SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THESE TWO THINGS.
UH, ONE, ONE OF WHICH IS AT A LOT WIDTH TO HEIGHT RATIO SHOULD BE ESTABLISHED A LOT WIDTH TO HEIGHT RATIO SHOULD BE ESTABLISHED AS WELL AS A LOT WIDTH, UH, MINIMUM.
AND THAT MIGHT VERY WELL BE, UH, 50 BY 100 MINIMUM.
MR.
I KNOW JUST LOOKING AT THE HOUSES THAT YOU HAVE, THAT YOU HAVE SHOWED, UM, COULD YOU, UM, GEORGE, CAN YOU, COULD YOU GO BACK TO HER, UM, MY SLIDE SLIDE PLEASE.
AND IT'S GOING TO BE THE, IT'S GONNA BE THE ONE THAT'S NEXT TO A ONE STORY AND A TWO STORY NEXT TO IT MEMORY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE ZONING CALLS FOR.
UM, COULD YOU DESCRIBE, UM, 'CAUSE JUST LOOKING AT IT, YOU WOULD NECESSARILY, MIGHT NECESSARILY THINK THAT, WELL, WHAT MAKES IT GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE? RIGHT? IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THE OTHER ONE.
COULD YOU DESCRIBE SOME OF THE RE SOME OF THE THINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE CONSIDER GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE AS IT RELATES TO PORT? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S THE HEIGHT.
IF ONE, ONE REASON IS THE HEIGHT AS WELL AS YOU HAVE THE GARAGE THAT'S COMING OUT THAT'S PROTRUDING OUTWARD, UH, AND YOU SEE THE, THE, THE DOOR, I NEEDED TO SAY IS RECESSED.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALONG WITH THE, JUST THE SIZE, THE, THE, UH, THE OVERWHELMING SIZE COMPARED TO THE HOME NEXT DOOR.
AND WHAT DID THE, AND, AND, AND WHILE THIS HOUSE MIGHT NEED BE SOME REPAIR, THIS IS BY AND LARGE HOW OUR HOMES ARE, ARE, ARE DESIGNED.
AND WHAT DID THE COMMUNITY SPEAK ON, ON, ON HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO THE, WHAT THEY CONSIDER? DID THEY WANT FRONT PORCHES? YES.
WE, WE WERE, UH, THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL, UH, UH, DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND ONE OF WHICH IS A PORCH, ONE OF WHICH, UH, CERTAINLY IS, IS A PITCH THAT, THAT WE HAVE NOT DETERMINED YET.
BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE 8 12, 9 12, UH, EXCEPT, BUT, BUT, BUT WE CERTAINLY WANTED PITCHES AND THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT SHOULD BE NO MORE THAN 30 FEET, UH, AS WELL.
AND WHAT ABOUT HOW THE GR THE GARAGES WOULD SIT, PREFERABLY, WHAT WOULD SIT? WELL, IT WOULDN'T, IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD ALIGN WITH THE, THE DOOR, IF YOU WILL.
IT WOULD NOT BE PROTRUDING OUTWARD OR SITTING.
THAT WOULD NOT BE THE FIRST THING THAT YOU WOULD SEE ONCE YOU DROVE UP.
UM, AS IT RELATES, AS, AS YOU SEE IN THIS, IN THIS, UH, HOUSE, IT'S PROTRUDING OUTWARD, UM, AS IT RELATES TO DENSITY.
WAS SOUTH DALLAS RESIDENCE A, UH, AGAINST DENSITY IN AREAS, OR DID WE WANT, DID, DID THEY, OKAY.
AND DID, WERE WERE, WAS SOUTH DALLAS RESIDENCE AGAINST GR UH, DENSITY OR DID THEY WANT IT DESIGNATED IN CERTAIN CORRIDORS AS IT RELATES TO DENSITY AND AS THAT HOUSING.
SO, SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE, WE EXACTLY.
WELL, PART OF THE DENSITY IS REALLY THAT WE ARE OPPOSING.
PART OF THAT IS THAT 25 FOOT WIDE LOT.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THAT DENSITY THAT WE ARE OPPOSING.
I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE CALL IT VERY DENSE, BUT ONCE AGAIN, THE ZONING, WHICH IS R FIVE, IT'S, IT IS A MINIMUM OF 50 BY 100.
I, I THINK, MAYBE, LET ME REPHRASE THAT.
WELL, WE ARE AGAINST DENSITY AS IT RELATES TO HAVING SOME TOWN HOME DISTRICTS, HAVING SOME DUPLEX DISTRICT HAVING THOSE TYPE OF DENSITY, NOT NECESSARILY SITTING DIRECTLY NEXT TO A RIGHT.
THESE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, RIGHT? NO, NO.
WE SUPPORT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND TOWN HOMES ABSOLUTELY.
AS IT RELATES TO THAT DENSITY.
BUT WE DO, DO YOU ALSO SUPPORT TWO STORY HOMES? IT'S JUST AT THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WHERE IT'S NOT TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE HOMES? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, AND DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD TO THAT, SCOTT? THAT WAS GONNA BE, THAT WAS ACTUALLY GONNA BE MY RESPONSE.
AND HAVE YOU BEEN A BUILDER OR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND NOW MIGRATING IN TO SOME TOWN HOMES DENSITY WITHIN, IN, WITHIN A MAJOR CORRIDOR?
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UM, WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT? I'M SORRY.IS, IS, IS YOUR, THE ORGANIZATION THAT YOU REPRESENT, ICDC HAVE BUILT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND ALSO IS MIGRATING TOWARDS SOME, UH, TOWN HOME? YEAH.
WE, WE HAVE JUST COMPLETED OUR ZONING IN, IN, UH, FOUR TOWN HOMES.
AND WE HAVE DONE, MOST OF OUR HOMES HAVE BEEN SINGLE PEM DETACHED, BUT WE RECOGNIZE THAT THAT MORE DENSITY IS GREAT, IS NEEDED IN THE AREA.
AND SO WE HAVE JUST COMPLETED, UH, UH, THE ZONING, UH, WELL PROBABLY WHAT, MAYBE THREE, THREE MONTHS AGO, MONTHS AGO.
THERE'S ZONING AND WE ARE WORKING ON THE CIVIL PLANS NOW, FOUR TOWN HOMES.
AND IS THAT IN A MAIN, IS THAT IN WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER A MAIN THOROUGH FAIR OR A CORRIDOR THAT YOU ARE
UM, AND ALSO MR UH, UH, SMITH THAT ARE, YOU ARE CURRENTLY BUILDING SOME DENSITY WITHIN SOUTH DALLAS AS BEING A SINGLE FAMILY? FAMILY? UH, YES MA'AM.
WE'RE CURRENTLY BUILDING, UH, DUPLEXES THAT, I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON PRETTY SIZABLE LOTS.
UM, BUT WE ACCOMPLISHED THE DENSITY THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS BY NOT ACTUALLY PUTTING THEM ON 25 FOOT LOTS.
UH, THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE 25 FOOT LOTS, THEY DON'T EVEN ADHERE TO THE CURRENT ZONING THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.
AND SO THEY'VE BEEN SKIRTING BY, UH, THROUGH SOME PROCESS THAT I'M REALLY NOT FAMILIAR WITH.
BUT, UH, THEY'VE BEEN SKIRTING BY AND BEING, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO BUILD THESE.
AND SO WHERE WE COULD KIND OF ACCOMPLISH WHAT, WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE DOING BY STILL BEING GENTLE WITH THE DENSITY IS CREATING, OR, AND WE SPEAK TO THIS IN SOME, SOME PARTS OF THE AREA PLAN IS CREATING, UM, DESIGN STANDARDS, SOME TYPE OF, UH, DESIGN THAT IS ALLOWABLE FOR DUPLEXES IN SOME OF THESE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS OR SINGLE FAMILY AREAS IF THEY, UM, HAVE TO GET REZONED OR WHATEVER.
AND CAN, CAN YOU SPEAK TO SOME OF THE DIFFICULTIES AS A BUILDER WITHIN PD 5, 9 5 THAT HAS BEEN A HINDRANCE TO YOU PROVIDING ADDITIONAL HOMES IN THE AREA? UM, THE PARKING IS AN ISSUE.
UM, THAT IS, I MEAN, THAT'S ACROSS THE CITY.
UH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY BEEN A, A MAJOR ISSUE.
UM, THAT REALLY, THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN THE BIGGEST, THE BIGGEST ONE.
UM, I'VE NOT HAD VERY MANY ISSUES DEVELOPING IN SOUTH DALLAS BECAUSE I'VE READ THROUGH WHAT PD 5 95 ALLOWS, AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO STAY WITHIN, UH, THE BOUNDARIES OF IT.
BUT THE BOUNDARIES ARE VERY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LIMITED.
UM, AND SO THE AUTHORIZED HEARING, I BELIEVE, WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE DEVELOPMENT, UH, WITH THE PROPER GUIDELINES AND THE PROPER DESIGN STANDARDS.
I, I BELIEVE THAT SOUTH DALLAS COULD, COULD REALLY SOLVE MUCH OF THE HOUSING NEEDS, UH, OF THIS CITY.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE KEY POINTS AND THE KEY ISSUES OF, OF THIS WHOLE DEAL.
SO I HAVE ONE, ONE LAST QUESTION I'M GONNA BRING UP MS. EFA.
UM, UM, AS I WANNA ASK YOU A QUESTION AS RE RELATED TO NOT JUST MAKING THIS AN AREA PLAN, THAT THIS HAS BEEN A REAL TIME IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AND HOW QUEEN CITY HAS ALREADY BENEFITED FROM THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PLAN AS IT RELATES TO YOU ALL MOVING FORWARD TO, TO NOT ONLY YOU PREVIOUSLY ONLY DESIGNATED AS A HISTORICAL NEIGHBORHOOD UP UNDER, UM, AS A NATIONAL, BUT NOT UP UNDER A, THE CITY WHICH HAS LED TO SOME GROSSLY AND COMPATIBLE HOUSING BEING BUILT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
CAN YOU ALL TELL THAT SHE HAS EARNED A COLLEGE DEGREE AS OF THIS WEEKEND? OKAY,
WITH THE, UH, PD 5 95, IT HAS WORKED SIDE BY SIDE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE HISTORICAL OVERLAY, WHICH, UH, WE BECAME A NATIONAL DESTINATION DURING CAROLYN DAVIS'S TIME WHEN CAROLYN DAVIS PASSED, I WAS HANDED THE TORCH, UH, AND LITERALLY THE TORCH, UH, OF TRYING TO KEEP QUEEN CITY, SOUTH DALLAS AS BEING A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WOULD BE, I JUST LIKE ANY OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU WOULD REALLY WANT TO RAISE YOUR FAMILY IN.
WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT WE HAVE WORKED SIDE BY SIDE.
AND SO RIGHT NOW WITH THE HISTORICAL OVERLAY,
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THE CITY DID NOT HONOR US WITH, WE'RE NOW FIGHTING FOR THAT.AND THAT IS WITH BASICALLY THE SAME PLANNING DESIGNS THAT PD 5 95 IS ASKING FOR.
SO IS THAT YOUR QUESTION? YES.
AND PRIOR TO THIS PLAN BEING IN PLACE, OR, UM, IF, IF DURING PREVIOUS IMPLEMENTA PREVIOUS PLANS, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED AS YOUR SISTER NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS PHY WHEATLEY, WHO DOES HAVE THAT PROTECTION, WOULD YOU BEEN ABLE TO SAVE SOME OF THE HISTORICAL HOMES AND SOME OF THE HISTOR IN THOSE NATIVE, UM, NEIGHBORS WHO LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? YES.
UH, WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE SAVED A LOT MORE HOUSES.
AND SOUTH DALLAS IS FULL OF HISTORY.
WE ARE FULL OF HISTORY BECAUSE OF, NOT ONLY WAS IT A SETTLING PLACE FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS, BUT FOR OUR JEW JEWISH BROTHERS AND SISTERS AS WELL.
SO YES, IT'S A LOT OF HISTORY THAT REMAINS THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE BOUGHT UP AND PUT ON TOP OF THE SURFACE SO THAT DALLAS CAN'T ENTER.
WHAT CENTURY ARE WE IN NOW? UH, AT LEAST FOR MY GRANDCHILDREN TO BE ABLE TO SAY, THIS IS WHERE MY DAD WAS RAISED, AND THIS IS WHAT WE WERE LEFT.
BEFORE WE GO TO OUR NEXT QUESTION, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A CLEAN RECORD, GRADUATION IS NOT TOMORROW, TOMORROW, TOMORROW.
UH, I HOPE YOU FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE GET YOUR INVITATION.
I'M GOING, UH, COMMISSIONER HALL.
THIS, UH, THESE 25 FOOT LOTS ARE REALLY INTERESTING.
ARE THERE A LOT OF THEM, UH, IN THE, IN THE AREA? SO THE SHORT ANSWER IS, IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.
AND SO, UM, LET ME, LET ME TAKE A STEP BACK.
UH, I'VE BEEN IN THE NORTH TEXAS AREA FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS NOW.
UM, I MOVED TO SOUTH DALLAS ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, AND WHEN I STARTED DEVELOPING IN THE AREA, THE ADDRESSES FOR THE PROPERTIES WOULD BE ONE ADDRESS, BUT THE LOT AND BLOCK WOULD SHOW TWO LOTS.
SO WHERE I COME FROM, ONE ADDRESS MEANS ONE HOUSE.
TOTALLY DIFFERENT ZONING SITUATION DOWN THERE IN HOUSTON.
BUT ONE ADDRESS MEANT ONE LOT.
I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, ONE ADDRESS MEANT ONE HOUSE.
FAST FORWARD ABOUT FIVE YEARS, RIGHT AROUND THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC, SOMEONE SOMEWHERE FOUND A LOOPHOLE.
THEY HAD ONE ADDRESS, BUT THEY NOTICED THAT IT WAS TWO LOTS.
AND SO, APPARENTLY, SO LONG AS YOU COULD BUILD SOMETHING ON THOSE LOTS THAT ADHERE TO THE ZONING SETBACKS FRONT, YOU KNOW, FRONT AND SIDE AND BACK, YOU COULD BUILD TWO LOTS ON ONE ADDRESS AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET THE OTHER PROPERTY, UH, CREATED AS ANOTHER ADDRESS.
AND WHEN IT HAPPENED, IT HAPPENED VERY, VERY QUICKLY.
SO BETWEEN 2020 AND WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY, I CAN TELL YOU JUST ON TWO STREETS WHERE I, WHERE I LIVE, THERE'S 30 OF 'EM.
UM, RIGHT NOW ON THE 2,500 BLOCK AND THE 2,400 BLOCK OF MY STREET, THERE ARE EIGHT OF THEM UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW IN DIFFERENT PHASES ON THE 2,400 BLOCK AND 2,500 BLOCK OF THE STREET THAT ARE, THAT'S BEHIND ME.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE DOING IT.
I HAVEN'T QUITE FIGURED IT OUT, BUT I, I DO REALIZE THIS, THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY.
AND SO I HATE TO POINT TO A SYSTEM OF SORTS, BUT WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHY THAT IS HAPPENING IN SOUTH DALLAS.
AND IT'S ALMOST, YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT'S, IT IS ALMOST LIKE SOUTH DALLAS IS THE ONLY PLACE.
I HAVE NOT SEEN IT ANYWHERE ELSE.
IF THESE LOTS ARE 25 FEET, UH, WIDE, HOW DEEP ARE THEY? UH, THEY RANGE, THEY RANGE BETWEEN A HUNDRED AND 150 FEET.
SO PROBABLY TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE LOT WHEN YOU SEPARATE 'EM ARE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, 40 505,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, IF WE'RE IN A R FIVE DISTRICT, THAT TELLS US WHAT SIZES THE LOT SHOULD BE THAT WE CAN PUT A HOME ON.
AND THESE, THESE LOTS ARE PLATTED.
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THEY HAVE PLATS FOR EACH 25 FOOT BY A HUNDRED FOOT LOT, I GUESS.SO
UM, BUT AS A DEVELOPER, I GET IT.
I SEE HOW A DEVELOPER COULD STEP IN AND SAY, OH, I HAVE TWO LOTS.
LET ME GO AND SPEAK TO A FEW PEOPLE AND DIVIDE IT UP.
I GOT TWO PROPERTIES FOR THE PRICE OF ONE LOT.
WHAT THEN HAPPENS IS BETWEEN 2020 AND 2025, BACK WHEN THE PROPERTIES WERE SELLING FOR 20,000 AND $30,000 A LOT, THEY'RE NOW SELLING FOR TRIPLE THAT.
AND SO WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT, YOU KNOW, INHERENTLY INCREASES PRICING, BUT YOU KNOW, IT JUST SO YOU HAVE THAT SIDE OF IT.
SO I GET IT FROM A DEVELOPER SIDE, BUT FROM THE COMMUNITY MEMBER SIDE, IT'S LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF THEM THAT ARE COMING UP VERY QUICKLY.
AND I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF A LOOPHOLE THAT SOMEONE FOUND THAT EXISTS ONLY IN SOUTH DALLAS AND IT'S GROWN RAMPANT.
UH, WE SAW SOME DRAMATIC EXAMPLES OF A, OF A HOUSE, OF A HOUSE, I GUESS ON A 25 FOOT LOT AS A DEVELOPER.
UH, HOW WIDE WOULD THAT HOUSE BE? 20 FEET.
I CAN DO THIS AND TOUCH THE WALLS, BUT
SO 15 BY HOUSE, SO 15 WIDE BY, UH, ONE CAR GARAGE, TYPICALLY ONE CAR.
AND SO THAT'S ONE OF, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, UH, MS. RAGSDALE IS SPEAKING SO PASSIONATELY ABOUT, UH, CERTAIN DESIGN STANDARDS, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY THE LOT SIZE RATIO AND ALSO THE, UM, THE, THE, THE HEIGHT OF, OF SOME OF THE PROPERTIES, AND I'LL SAY THIS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU PULL UP MY HOME, IT, IT, IT WOULD BE WHAT MS. RAGSDALE CONSIDERS GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE.
UH, BUT I SAT WITH THE COMMUNITY AND I LISTENED FOR A REALLY LONG TIME AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, I GET IT.
I SEE WHAT THE HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE HISTORY OF IT, I LIVE THERE.
AND SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA SEE MY NEIGHBOR AT THE GROCERY STORE, AT THE, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE STREET.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I, I WANNA MAKE CERTAIN THAT I'M, I'M HEARING WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS SAYING.
UM, THAT'S NOT THE CASE FOR A LOT OF THE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE THERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, THEY BUILD, THEY THROW 'EM UP AND THEY GO HOME TO THEIR COMMUNITIES.
AND SO THAT IS, THAT IS THE IMPACT THAT'S GOING ON WHERE WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO DRIVE DOWN.
AND I'VE BEEN INSIDE A LOT OF 'EM.
THEY LOOK, YOU KNOW, MY NEIGHBORS HAVE SOME REALLY NICE HOMES ON THE INSIDE.
WE HAVE TO PLUG THIS ISSUE AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ENSURE THAT WE, WE SLOW THIS DOWN SOME AND, AND, AND CREATE SOME THINGS THAT ARE JUST A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY.
WELL, I, I'M NOT PARTICULARLY OPPOSED TO THE CONCEPT OF BUILDING ON A LOT LIKE THAT, BUT IT MAYBE COULD BE MORE CREATIVE DESIGN THAT WOULD BE MORE COMPATIBLE.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR MS. RAGSDALE, PLEASE? YES, YES MA'AM.
I HEARD YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE CONCERN ABOUT THE HEIGHTS THAT ARE ALLOWED, AND I THINK YOU REFERENCED 30 FEET.
ARE YOU SPEAKING 30 FEET FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND DUPLEXES? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW STANDARD CODE IS 30 FEET FOR OF HEIGHT FOR A SINGLE FAMILY AND 36 FOR A DUPLEX.
THE ONLY LANGUAGE THAT I CAN FIND IN THIS PLAN ABOUT HEIGHT SAYS TO MAINTAIN A MORE CONSISTENT SCALE BETWEEN NEW CONSTRUCTION AND EXISTING HOMES.
THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOME SHOULD BE REDUCED FROM THE CURRENT HEIGHT ALLOWED AND MEASURED AT THE HIGHEST ROOF POINT, NOT THE MIDPOINT OF THE ROOF, AS IS THE CURRENT STANDARD.
THE HEIGHT SHOULD FURTHER BE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF TWO AND 2.5 STORIES.
NOW, UM, WHERE IT SAYS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOME SHOULD BE REDUCED FROM THE CURRENT HEIGHT ALLOWED, THE HOMES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE, THE CONFORM, THE, THE, THAT SET THE STANDARD FOR THE APPEARANCE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY ARE LOWER THAN 30 FEET.
ARE YOU ASKING THAT THE HEIGHT FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME BE LOWERED FROM 30
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FEET AND ALSO MEASURED AT THE HIGHEST POINT? IT, IT, IT WOULD NOT BE GREATER THAN 30 FEET.WE HAVE SOME HOMES TO BE QUITE FRANK WITH YOU, THAT APPEAR TO BE QUITE, UH, COMPATIBLE, UH, WITH SUCH.
PATRICK, DID YOU WANT TO ELABORATE FURTHER ON THAT? 'CAUSE WE DID HAVE A LOT DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, IN, IN, IN A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THERE.
SO, UH, WE CAN FURTHER CLARIFY THAT WHEN WE SAY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND DUPLEXES, BUT IT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ATTACHED AND DETACHED.
AND RIGHT NOW THAT MEASUREMENT IS 30 FEET FROM, YOU KNOW, THE MIDPOINT.
AND WHEN WE WENT OUT AND WE DID SOME TOURS, IT WAS, WELL THAT'S, THAT MIDPOINT CAN GET, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU CAN BE CREATIVE AND GET A VERY HIGH THING.
AND SO, UM, THE TASK FORCE, UM, THEIR FEEDBACK WAS IT THE, THE HIGHEST POINT SHOULD BE LIMITED TO 30 FEET AND THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD MEASURE IT, NOT THE MIDPOINT, WHICH WOULD THEN, YOU KNOW, FURTHER REDUCE THAT HEIGHT.
I THINK IT WOULD ADD SOME CLARITY HERE IF THE LANGUAGE WERE AMENDED TO, UM, ADD DUPLEX.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT JUST READS AS IF THE, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE COULD BE DIFFERENT HEIGHT STANDARDS FOR THOSE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF PRODUCTS.
MR. RAGSDALE, ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THE 25 FOOT LOTS.
UM, AND OVER IF MR. SMITH WANTS TO TAKE IT, I'LL E EITHER ONE.
I THINK, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND.
UM, WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY IS YOU HAVE 50 FOOT LOTS.
THEY WERE AT SOME POINT IN TIME DIVIDED TO ALLOW 2 25, RIGHT? RIGHT.
BUT IS 25 THE MINIMUM? THAT WAS THE COMMUNITY DISCUSSION.
UM, BECAUSE THAT, I, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IS SHOULD IT BE COMMENSURATE WITH AN AVERAGE ALONG THE BLOCK FACE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ALLOWS SOME VARIATION? OR IS IT JUST YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYTHING SMALLER THAN 25 FEET? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THE CONTEXT OF THE COMMUNITY DISCUSSION THERE.
NOW WHAT, WHAT WE ARE SAYING, IT SHOULD BE 50 BY 100 AT THE MINIMUM.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE I HEARD 25 AND IT DIDN'T SOUND LIKE THAT.
REALLY REFLECTED WHAT Y'ALL, UM, WHAT I HEARD SOME OF THE CONCERNS.
AND, AND JUST TO, JUST TO CLARIFY, SO THE, THE ADDRESSES OF THE LOTS WOULD BE, WE'LL JUST CALL IT, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE, TWO, THREE PEABODY STREET AND THEN YOU KNOW IT'S LOT AND BLOCK ONE OR LOT ONE BLOCK, LOT TWO BLOCK 1500.
THEY'RE TAKING LOT ONE AND LOT TWO SEPARATING THEM, CREATING A, UM, UM, A, A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR IT.
UM, AND GETTING IT APPROVED THROUGH, I DON'T KNOW, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE DOING IT, SO.
REGARDLESS OF HOW THEY'RE GETTING IT APPROVED, WE DON'T WANT IT TO CONTINUE.
WE READY FOR SECOND ROUND COMMERS.
WE, WE ARE COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE.
UM, MR. UH, SMITH, CAN YOU COME DOWN? THESE PROBABLY GONNA BE YES OR NO QUESTIONS.
UH, ARE, ARE, DO YOU PRESUME THAT POSSIBLY THE REASON THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO BUILD THESE IS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING BEFORE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, UM, IS A BODY COUNT OF, UH, VOTES COUNT AS IS THE WAY WE VOTE ON PLATS? UM, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY, THEY DON'T COME OUT TO GET COMMUNITY INPUT IF, IF THEY'RE GOING TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS TO GET THAT.
I, I, I WOULD ASSUME SO, BUT I CAN'T SPEAK TO, HAVE YOU SEEN ANY SIGNS ON, ON, ON HOUSING, UH, ON ANY OTHER LOTS PARTICULARLY PROBABLY AT ATLANTA.
AT UM, ATLANTA AND I'VE SEEN MAYBE ONE OR TWO.
UM, I'LL BE HONEST FROM THE POINT THAT THEY START, UH, THAT I NOTICED THAT THERE'S, UH, SURVEY STAKES TO THE POINT THAT THEY START BUILDING THIS PRETTY QUICKLY.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE GOTTEN BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT OR APPROVAL OR WHAT, BUT YEAH, SO FOR, FOR CLARITY FOR EVERYONE ON THE COMMISSION, SO, UM, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF, UM, STREETS IN SOUTH DALLAS THAT WERE PLOTTED A HUNDRED YEARS AGO AND THEY WERE PLOTTED WITH 25 FOOT WIDE LOTS.
UM, SOMEONE MAY HAVE BUILT A SHOTGUN HOUSE ON THAT IN 1922.
SOMEONE MIGHT HAVE BOUGHT TWO OF THOSE LOTS AND BUILT ONE HOUSE ON A 50 FOOT BY A HUNDRED FOOT WIDE LOT.
UM, FAST FORWARD A HUNDRED YEARS.
UM, THE CITY OF DALLAS, WHEN YOU GO TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT, UH, YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT YOU HAVE A BUILDABLE SITE TO HAVE A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING PERMIT.
YOU CAN DO THAT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
ONE OF THOSE WAYS IS I HAVE A LEGALLY PLATTED LOT AND SINCE THESE STREETS HAVE NOT BEEN RE PLATTED IN THE PAST A HUNDRED YEARS, WE HAVE LOTS THAT ARE 20 FEET FOOT WIDE THAT ARE ZONED
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FOR THE, IN THE SUBDISTRICT FOR R FIVE.BUT BECAUSE IT'S A LEGAL PLATTED LOT, THEY CAN COME IN AND THEY DON'T NEED TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
THEY CAN JUST COME IN AND OUR STAFF SAYS, THIS IS A LEGALLY PLATTED LOT, WE CAN ISSUE YOU A BUILDING PERMIT 'CAUSE IT'S A BUILDABLE SITE.
AND TO TO, TO ELABORATE ON THAT, IF YOU THINK ABOUT, AND COMMISSIONER HOG, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A, YOU KNOW, A 15 FOOT WIDE HOUSE, UM, WHEN YOU START TO THINK ABOUT ALL OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT THE PLAN RECOMMENDS, SO WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU HAVE A 15 FOOT WIDE HOUSE THAT WE'RE NOW REQUIRING IT TO HAVE A FRONT PORCH AND WE'RE REQUIRING IT TO HAVE THE GARAGE NOT BE THE MOST PROMINENT THING AND WE'RE REQUIRING THAT IT TO HAVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF WINDOWS ON THAT FIRST FLOOR.
UH, YOU PUT ALL THE, OR YOU KNOW, THE A WIDTH TO HEIGHT RATIO, YOU, YOU FACTOR ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN AND THE TYPE OF PRODUCT THAT GETS BUILT THERE CHANGES.
AND SO THAT MIGHT BE THE, I'M, YOU KNOW, TO TO, TO MR. SMITH'S POINT, I'M BUYING THOSE TWO LOTS, BUT IT MAKES NOW MORE ECONOMICAL SENSE BECAUSE I CAN'T BUILD THAT 20 FOOT WIDE SHOTGUN TWO STORY HOUSE.
I'M GONNA BUILD ONE HOUSE AND I CAN DO THAT BECAUSE IF IN CREATION OF A BUILDING SITE TO GO BACK TO THAT, IF I CAN SHOW THAT THERE WAS A HOUSE ON THERE BEFORE 1984, I CAN GO AHEAD AND BUILD ON THOSE TWO LOTS WITHOUT IT GETTING REPLANTED.
SO IT KIND OF CHANGES, YOU KNOW, CHANGING SOME OF THE DESIGN SCHEMES, CHANGES SOME OF WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY CAN THEN GO AHEAD AND BUILD OUT THERE.
BUT WAS IT NOT, BUT WASN'T IT ALSO, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO, ON SOME OF THE CORNER LOTS, THEY'RE GOING TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE THEY DON'T MEET EVEN THAT REQUIREMENT AS FAR AS THE SETBACKS.
AND THAT'S THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS IS ALLOWING FOR THEM TO NOT HAVE TO HAVE THAT SIDE YARD.
AND THOSE ARE THE SIGNS THAT WE ARE SEEING.
THERE ARE CORNER LOTS THAT, THAT THEY'RE BUILDING ALMOST TO THE CORNER TO, TO THE SIDEWALK.
THAT ON SOME OF THOSE CORNER LOTS THAT MIGHT HAVE TWO FRONT YARDS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE BLOT IS ORIENTED, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND SAYING THAT THIS IS A PHYSICAL HARDSHIP, IT'S NOT SELF-IMPOSED.
I DIDN'T PLA IT LIKE THIS, THIS IS THE WAY I, IT JUST IS.
AND SO THAT'S THE WAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO THE BOARD AND GETTING THAT, UM, UH, THAT VARIANCE OR THAT SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO, UM, GO INTO THE FRONT YARD ON THOSE CORNER LOTS ON ONE SIDE OF THAT CORNER.
I I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT AS A NATIVE DOLLAR SITE, STILL LIVING THERE, A PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEMBER NCPC MEMBER, WE, UH, WE ARE, WE ARE COMPLETELY SHOCKED AT, AT THESE TWO STORY SHOTGUN HOUSES WHERE THOSE HOMES EXISTED.
YOU HAD 50 BY 100 HOMES WHERE THE TWO STORY SHOTGUNS HOMES ARE DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW.
AND SO, AND SO THE, THE ISSUE RELATED TO THE PLATS AND ET CETERA, THAT, THAT, THAT'S A SHOCK TO MOST PEOPLE WHO, WHO, WHO LIVE THERE.
SO WE JUST NEED TO CORRECT IT AND I'M ASKING IF WE CORRECT THAT TODAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS TO STAFF? YES, COMMISSIONER RUTH.
UM, YEAH, PATRICK, UM, COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AS IT RELATES TO, UH, PARKING.
UM, HOW IMPORTANT IS, IS IN THIS PLAN THAT, UM, A GOOD MAJORITY OF OUR PARKING RELATES BACK TO, UM, 51 A, WHICH WE KNOW IS BEING HANDLED, BUT WE HAVE THAT EXTRA 30 FEET FROM THE CURB THAT REALLY, UM, WHAT IT, WHAT IT HAS DONE.
UH, IT HAS MADE IT WHERE ALMOST SOMETIME IN CERTAIN CORRIDORS WITH TWO, TWO FRONTS, UH, UM, MADE WHERE OUR HISTORICAL, UH, BUILDINGS NO LONGER COULD HAVE BUSINESSES OR HAVE MAXIMUM BUSINESSES.
HOW HAS THE COMMUNITY ASKED THAT PORTION TO BE REMOVED? YEAH, SO, UM, IN THE PD RIGHT NOW, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT ABOUT NO PARKING IN THE FRONT YARD SETBACKS FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
UH, OR I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY 30 FEET FROM THE FRONT BUILDING LINE.
UM, BUT MUCH OF SOUTH DALLAS WAS BUILT BEFORE WE, WE, WE USED AUTOMOBILES THE WAY THAT WE USED TODAY.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WHERE THERE ARE PUSH CLOSER TO THE FRONT AND SOMETIMES THEY MIGHT HAVE SOME PARKING IN THE FRONT, BUT THERE'S NOT AN ABILITY FOR THOSE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES TO PUT PARKING BEHIND THAT FIRST 30 FEET.
AND SO IT LIMITS THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO REDEVELOP THOSE PROPERTIES OR REFURNISH THOSE OR GO INTO THEM, UM, AND GET A CO BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MEET THAT, THAT 30 FEET PARKING REQUIREMENT, UM, BECAUSE OF JUST THE URBAN FORM OF THOSE BUILDINGS IS NOT THE URBAN, IT'S NOT A SUBURBAN URBAN FORM.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION IN THIS PLAN IS TO REMOVE THAT NO PARKING WITHIN THE FIRST 30 FEET OF, UM, OF THAT FRONT BUILDING LINE FOR THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THROUGH YEAH.
AND, AND CURRENTLY PEOPLE IT'S LEGALLY TO PARK THERE IS JUST NOT LEGAL TO COUNT IT IN YOUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS WHEN YOU MAKE IT TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
AM I CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT,
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COMMISSIONER.ALSO, AS IT RELATES TO, UM, UM, THE HOUSING COMPONENT IN SOUTH DALLAS, DID, DID WE, DID, DID, DID THE TASK FORCE AND THE, UM, PLANNING DEPARTMENT DO EXTENSIVE RESEARCH, ESPECIALLY OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS THAT KIND OF HELD THIS PROJECT UP BECAUSE OF MAKING SURE THAT WE HAD THE HOUSING COMPONENT IN THIS PARTICULAR, IN THIS PLAN, UM, MAPPED OUT AS BEST WE COULD AS IT, UH, AS IT RELATES TO, UM, WHAT TYPE OF HOMES, THE, BE THE, UM, BEING ONE OF THE FIRST PLANS THAT ACTUALLY WOULD HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS BUILT INTO IT.
HOW, HOW DID THAT, HOW DID THAT COME ABOUT AND HOW MUCH, UM, COMMUNITY INPUT DID YOU HAVE? SO, UM, YES, COMMISSIONER, SO MUCH OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE, THE CORRIDORS AND THE COMMERCIAL NODES, UM, HAS BEEN LARGELY THE SAME FOR THE PAST 18 MONTHS.
UM, BUT REALLY WHAT THE PAST 18 MONTHS HAVE, HAVE, UH, DO DIVED INTO IS THE GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE HOMES, WHETHER THEY'RE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR DUPLEXES, UM, AND REALLY NAILING DOWN WHAT IS WHAT, WHAT MAKES THEM GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE.
AND GETTING DESIGN STANDARDS TO SAY HOW DO WE ADDRESS THOSE INCOMPATIBILITIES BECAUSE THEY HAVE 100% SAID, WE WANT MORE HOUSES HERE.
WE KNOW WE WANT, WE LIKE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE LIKE IT WHEN PEOPLE BUILD NEW HOUSES HERE.
WE JUST WANT THOSE NEW HOUSES TO LOOK A CERTAIN WAY.
AND SO, HEY, I'VE SPENT, UM, A, A, A, A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME, UM, AND I WANT TO COMMEND, UM, BOTH THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS AND AND YOURSELF, UM, FOR ALL THE TIME THAT YOU HAVE PUT IN VOLUNTEERING AND GOING OUT AND DOING WORKSHOPS AND, AND, AND LOOKING AT PICTURES AND GOING OUT THERE AND DOING MEASUREMENTS AND DOING ALL THESE THINGS TO REALLY FINE TUNE WHAT IT IS THAT MAKES THESE HOMES GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE.
OR THE ONES THAT WERE LIKE, WE LIKE THESE HOMES.
YOU KNOW, MS. RAGSDALE SHOWED SOME HOMES WHERE SHE'S LIKE, THESE ARE THE HOMES THAT WE LIKE.
AND THEN IT'S JUST IDENTIFYING WHAT ARE THOSE ELEMENTS OF THOSE HOMES.
UM, AND THAT'S BEEN MUCH OF THE PAST 18 MONTHS OF GETTING INTO WHAT THOSE DESIGN ELEMENTS ARE.
UM, AND I GUESS I WOULD JUST PUT AGAIN, THANK Y'ALL FOR ALL OF THE WORK THAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE AND THINKING THROUGH THOSE THINGS AND BEING OPEN TO THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
AND, AND WE HAVE RAN INTO SOME ISSUES WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, EVEN IN, IN THE PORTION OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, THE DESIGN STANDARDS, LOOKING AT SOME OF THE, SOME OF OUR CORRIDORS WHO HAVE OUR, OUR HISTORICAL HOMES WHERE EVEN WHETHER THEY'RE BUILD LINES, UM, AND NEW BILLS OR REMODELS ARE FACING PROBLEMS AS IT RELATES WHEN THEY GET THROUGH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BECAUSE TECHNICALLY THEIR FRONT YARD SETBACK DOES NOT MEET THE CURRENT, UM, THE CURRENT REQUIREMENTS.
BUT WE KNOW, UM, GOING OUT THAT TRADITIONALLY THOSE HOMES ARE BUILT INTO THE SETBACKS, UH, FURTHER THAN WHAT THE SETBACKS REQUIRE.
HOW ARE WE MOVING TO ENSURE THAT A DEVELOPER DOESN'T HAVE TO TURN DOWN THAT HOUSE TO BUILD A NEW HOUSE AND THEN, AND THEN MAKE THE WHOLE BLOCK NON-CONFORMING BECAUSE HE COULD NOT JUST IMPROVE OR REMODEL THAT HOUSE OR BUILD A HOUSE THAT WOULD RESEMBLE THE CURRENT HOME, UH, HOMES AND, AND THE SETBACKS ACROSS AS SUCH AS PINE STREET IN PARTICULAR? YES, COMMISSIONER, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
A LOT OF THAT IS, UM, HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR STAFF IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UM, AND PROVIDING INFORMATIVE EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCES OVER THERE TO, TO LET THEM KNOW THIS IS THE, THE CONDITION THEY'RE IN.
THESE ARE NON-CONFORMING HOMES.
YOU CAN DO THESE NUMBER OF THINGS FOR THESE HOMES, UM, AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND REMODEL THESE HOMES AND DO A NUMBER OF THINGS.
YOU JUST CAN'T INCREASE THE, THE NON-CONFORMITY.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST BEING A RESOURCE FOR THEM HAS, UM, I THINK ADDRESSED A LOT OF THOSE, UH, SITUATIONS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I GOT ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
I, I'M, I'M A LOT MORE NERVOUS THAN ANYTHING.
OH, LOTS OF QUESTIONS WE GIVE COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE QUESTION OF PATRICK, REGARDING THE GENTLEMAN WHO HAS THE DUPLEXES THAT HAVE BECOME NON-CONFORMING.
DOES THE PLAN ADDRESSED THIS ISSUE THAT HE BROUGHT UP THAT THESE, UH, UH, OLD HOMES THAT ARE A HUNDRED YEARS OLD THAT WERE ORIGINALLY BUILT AS DUPLEXES, BUT THEY'RE ON PROPERTY THAT'S NOT ZONED FOR DUPLEXES AND THEY'RE VACANT FOR SIX MONTHS, HE SAID, AND, AND THEN THEY BECOME NON-CONFORMING.
DOES THIS PLAN ADDRESS THAT CONCERN OR ISSUE? UM, YES, WE CAN PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT ADDITIONAL CLARITY, UH, IN, IN THE PLAN.
I THINK, UH, BECAUSE AGAIN, UH, A LOT OF SOUTH DALLAS WAS BUILT BEFORE WE HAD A DEVELOPMENT CODE.
UM, AND THEN BEFORE THE, THE TWENTIES, SOME OF SOUTH DALLAS WAS BUILT BEFORE 42 AND BEFORE 42 YOU COULD BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY OR A DUPLEX IN THIS AREA.
UM, AND SO A LOT OF THOSE WERE BUILT.
UM, AND AGAIN, AS IT'S, AS WE'VE REZONED THOSE AREAS,
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THEY'VE HAD THAT NON-CONFORMING.UM, AND WE'VE A AND WE CAN CLARIFY SOME LANGUAGE IN THE PLAN ABOUT IN THE AUTHORIZED HEARING, DOING A SURVEY OF THOSE EXISTING DUPLEXES AND WHETHER WE NEED TO WRITE ZONE THOSE FOR WHAT IS ACTUALLY ON THE GROUND AND HAS BEEN ON THE GROUND FOR A HUNDRED YEARS.
SO JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON MY QUESTION, TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE PLAN, THE AREA PLAN ITSELF DOESN'T ADDRESS IT, BUT IT INSTRUCTS THAT, THAT IT WOULD BE ADDRESSED IN AN AUTHORIZED HEARING THAT WILL FOLLOW TO REZONE THOSE Y YES.
COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, UH, THIS IS A FOLLOW UP TO MR. FORSYTH'S QUESTION.
SO AT, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THE, THE, THE HOUSE THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, THE GENTLEMAN HAS A DUPLEX AND IT'S ON SINGLE FACULTY PROPERTY.
IT WAS, IT WAS DOWN ZONE AT SOME POINT.
AND WOULD HE HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED OF THAT OR OR IS THIS JUST THAT THIS IS NOT HAPPENING AS A RESULT OF THIS PLAN? THIS IS HAPPENING BECAUSE OF SOME OTHER PROCESS? UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IT HAPPENED.
UM, IF IT WAS DOWN ZONED, IT WOULD'VE BEEN DOWN ZONE CITYWIDE, UM, 80 YEARS AGO, UM, WHEN WE CHANGED THE ZONING DISTRICTS FROM A DWELLING ZONING DISTRICT TO SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEX ZONING DISTRICT.
SO IT WOULD'VE OCCURRED IN SOUTH DALLAS AND A NUMBER OF OTHER COMMUNITIES.
UM, AND UH, AGAIN, THROUGH THE AUTHORIZED HEARING PROCESS, WE CAN DO THE RESEARCH TO AGAIN RIGHT ZONE SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES, ENSURING THAT, 'CAUSE WHAT WE ALSO DON'T WANT IS SOMEONE WALKING AND BEING LIKE, OH, THIS IS A DUPLEX.
CAN YOU REZONE ME FOR A DUPLEX? AND IT'S, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT HASN'T BEEN ONE, IT HASN'T BEEN ONE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, YOU KNOW, THEY LOST A NON-CONFORMING IN 1972.
SO WE JUST NEED TO DO THAT RESEARCH.
AND THAT'S USUALLY DONE THROUGH THE AUTHORIZED HEARING PROCESS.
'CAUSE THERE'S A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES, I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID, BUT, UH, AM I HEARING THAT, UH, IT WAS DOWN ZONE THROUGH A PREVIOUS PROCESS AND MAYBE HE JUST WASN'T MADE AWARE OF IT? IT WOULD'VE BEEN DOWN ZONE BEFORE HE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
BUT I, I GUESS HE WASN'T AWARE THAT IT HAD BEEN DOWN ZONE WHEN HE BOUGHT IT BECAUSE THERE WAS A DUPLEX ON IT AND THERE'S STILL A DUPLEX ON IT.
UM, AGAIN, CAN'T SPEAK TO THE INDIVIDUAL LIKE THAT PROCESS, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING OUT THERE AND IT'S A DUPLEX AND THERE ARE OTHER DUPLEXES IN THE COMMUNITY, YOU CAN SAY, YES, THAT'S A DUPLEX.
UM, BUT FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS AND IN FACT MUCH LONGER THAN THAT, MUCH OF THAT AREA OF SOUTH DALLAS HAS NOT ALLOWED A DUPLEX BY ZONING.
BUT THAT CHANGE, UM, IS NOT A CHANGE THAT, UM, IS A RECENT CHANGE.
SO THIS PROCESS THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING NOW DID NOT NECESSARILY CREATE OR ADDRESS THAT SITUATION.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND I JUST WANNA INSERT MYSELF VERY GENTLY THAT IF WE CAN KEEP IT TO THE AREA WE ARE AND I'M SO EXCITED.
'CAUSE I KNOW WE NEED TO GET INTO THE AUTHORIZED HEARING AND THE ZONING AND THIS IS ABSOLUTELY WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
BUT WE'RE DEFINITELY GETTING WAY INTO THE WEEDS OF ZONING AND IF WE COULD BRING IT BACK UP TO AREA PLAN CONTENT, THAT WOULD BE AMAZING.
IT'S, I KNOW I'M READY TO GO INTO HOW DO, WE'RE DO RIGHTS HAVING A PROPERTY, WE NEED TO GET THE, FOR SIX MONTHS IF WE GET THE AREA PLAN ADOPTED, WE CAN MOVE INTO AUTHORIZED HEARING.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE HELP US.
WELL, I JUST WAS GONNA ASK STAFF, IS IT CORRECT THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY FAIRLY COMMON? I THINK AS MR. BLADE'S MENTIONED IN MANY OF OUR OLDER PARTS OF TOWN THAT DID DEVELOP WITH A COMBINATION OF SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEX HOUSING AND THAT THEY TYPICALLY RETAIN THEIR LEGAL NON-CONFORMING RIGHTS.
I THINK AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE'S LIMITS ON HOW YOU CAN ADJUST THE HOUSES AT THAT POINT.
SOME PDS ADDRESS THAT AND BUILD IN.
YOU CAN HAVE ANY LEGAL NUMBER OF UNITS AS LONG AS YOU DON'T REDUCE, AND THEN YOU LOSE THE NON-CONFORMING RIGHTS TO THE LOWER IS ONE WAY AREA PLANS WITH EXISTING LAND USE MAPS ARE ANOTHER WAY THAT IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN UTILIZED.
SO WE'VE HAD OTHER TOOLS THAT HAVE SOUGHT TO RECONCILE THAT HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
AND IS THAT SOMETHING IT SOUNDS LIKE WOULD BE PART OF POTENTIALLY THE AUTHORIZED HEARING PROCESS THAT WOULD DO THAT SAME SORT OF DEEP LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT SAYS WHERE WAS THE SINGLE FAMILY? THIS HAS BEEN A DUPLEX, IT'S BEEN A DUPLEX SINCE THE 1920S, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
THAT WOULD ALL BE, I THINK AS, UM, MS. GILS WAS SAYING PART OF THE AUTHORIZED HEARING REVIEW.
AND THEN I HAD ONE OTHER BACK HIGH LEVEL QUESTION.
THE FOCUS AREA, OR EXCUSE ME, THE STUDY AREA THAT IS INCLUDED, UM, IN THIS INCLUDES AREAS OUTSIDE OF PD 95, 5 95, THAT'S THE FOCUS OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT THERE'S OTHER COMMUNITIES WITHIN THIS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY ADDRESSED,
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BUT WOULD THEY PERHAPS HAVE TOOLS THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE? THINKING OF OWEN WOOD? I'M THINKING OF PARKVIEW.AND IT'S JUST, AND COMMISSIONER ER, MY QUESTION IS, AND IT'S ON PAGE 11 OF OUR, OF OUR STUDY AREA, IT'S BEYOND WHERE THE FOCUS OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE.
SO JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTOOD FOR THOSE COMMUNITIES IF THERE MIGHT BE OTHER TOOLS THAT THEY CAN BUILD ON FROM THIS WITH OUTREACH TO THOSE COMMUNITIES.
SO THAT'S ALSO PART OF IT TOO.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, GOING BACK TO A, A HIGH LEVEL QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, AFTER READING THIS ENTIRE, UM, AREA PLAN DRAFT, I BELIEVE THAT SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS SENT IN, UM, INPUT, UH, WITH SIMILAR QUESTIONS SAYING THAT THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT THIS, UM, PLAN ADDRESSED THE KEY ISSUE OF WHERE DUPLEXES WERE GOING TO BE ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE TO READ THIS DOCUMENT AND INFER THAT AS LONG AS THE DESIGN, UH, DESIGN STANDARDS ARE OKAY, THAT DUPLEXES WOULD BE OKAY ALMOST ANYWHERE.
AND THAT, BUT THERE ARE ALSO, THERE'S AT LEAST ONE ALLUSION TO A DUPLEX DISTRICT.
COULD YOU ADD SOME CLARITY AS TO WHAT WAS, UH, IF THERE WAS ANY, UM, CONCLUSION REACHED WITH THE COMMUNITY AS TO, TO GIVE US SOME MORE GUIDANCE? 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, 'CAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE THE ISSUE THAT WE ARE CONFRONTED WITH WHEN WE GET REQUESTS FOR DUPLEXES ON IN SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, IS WHERE SHOULD THE DUPLEXES GO? SO THE, THE FEEDBACK, UH, THAT WE GOT FROM THE COMMUNITY WAS THAT DUPLEXES IN SOUTH DALLAS ARE APPROPRIATE, BUT THEY'RE NOT APPROPRIATE EVERYWHERE BY, RIGHT.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT ARE GOOD ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE GOOD DESIGN.
AND SO WE GOT THE FEEDBACK THAT SAYS, YES, THEY'RE APPROPRIATE IF THEY HAVE A GOOD DESIGN AND IF YOU CAN PROMOTE HOME OWNERSHIP.
BUT, UM, THE COMMUNITY DIDN'T ARTICULATE AND THEN WE, WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS, BUT THERE WASN'T A CONVERSATION WHERE THEY SAID THE IT WORKS HERE, BUT IT DOESN'T WORK THERE.
THEY WANTED THOSE TO BE STILL A CASE BY CASE EVALUATION WHERE WE CAN LOOK AT EACH CASE THAT COMES UP AND SAYS, WE THINK IT WORKS THERE.
WE DON'T THINK IT WORKS SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BUT THEY DIDN'T WANNA SAY, LET'S REZONE THESE AREAS FOR DUPLEXES AND THIS OTHER AREA TO SAY SPECIFICALLY NOT.
THEY WANTED TO SAY, LET'S LOOK AT EACH CASE BY CASE BASIS AND COME TO A CONCLUSION ON THOSE CASES.
SO THAT'S THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PLAN ISN'T TO CHANGE THE, OUR DISTRICTS TO ALLOW DUPLEXES BY.
UM, IT'S NOT TO REZONE CERTAIN AREAS, UM, FROM CURRENTLY SINGLE FAMILY TO JUST DUPLEXES.
UM, IT'S TO SAY THAT HERE IS A ZONING DISTRICT, UM, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT EITHER AMENDING THE EXISTING ONE OR CREATING A NEW ONE THROUGH THE AUTHORIZED HEARING PROCESS THAT HAS DESIGN STANDARDS.
SO IT'S AN OPTION IF THE COMMUNITY SAYS YES, THAT BUILDER IN THAT LOCATION DOING THAT DESIGN THAT WORKS FOR A DUPLEX IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION, THEY MAY SAY, NO, THAT DOESN'T WORK.
'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT DESIGN AND IT'S A BAD LOCATE.
YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY MAY SAY IT'S A BAD LOCATION FOR THAT DUPLEX.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR ANSWER, BUT, UM, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN CONVEY THAT A LITTLE MORE CLEARLY IN THIS DOCUMENT? UM, I, I, I THINK BY PUTTING INTO THE DOCUMENT THE, THE LANGUAGE THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, I, I THINK IF WE ADD THAT INTO THE, THE DOCUMENT, UM, BECAUSE I, IT, IT, THE DOCUMENT TALKS ABOUT IT, BUT IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY GO INTO WHAT I JUST ARTICULATED.
SO I THINK IF WE CAN ADD IN THAT, THAT THEY'RE APPROPRIATE IN SOUTH DALLAS, SO NOT APPROPRIATE EVERYWHERE BY RIGHT.
THEY'RE MORE APPROPRIATE IF THEY HAVE BETTER DESIGN AND THAT THEY SHOULD BE EVALUATED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS THROUGH THE PRIVATE ZONING PROCESS.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT.
I HAVE A ANOTHER SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT SOME LANGUAGE HERE ON PAGE 54, WHICH SAYS, AMEND THE PD TO ALLOW FOR PROPERTIES IN THE DUPLEX ZONING DISTRICT TO BE SUBDIVIDED SO THAT EACH HOUSEHOLD CAN OWN, OWN BOTH THEIR HALF OF THE STRUCTURE AND LAND.
WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS THAT SAYING? THAT'S SAYING THAT RIGHT NOW, IF YOU HAVE ONE LOT AND YOU BUILD A DUPLEX, YOU HAVE TWO UNITS, BUT YOU CAN'T OWN THE LAND AND THE STRUCTURE.
SO IT CAN'T BE A SINGLE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T OWN A SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED STRUCK HOUSE AND THE LAND.
THIS IS SAYING IN THAT DUPLEX ZONING DISTRICT TO INCREASE HOME OWNERSHIP AND HELP THOSE, UM, THOSE, THOSE HOMEOWNERS BUILD WEALTH.
YOU COULD SUBDIVIDE THAT DUPLEX LOT AND BUILD SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED.
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DUPLEX AND WE'RE ALL, WE WALK BY IT LOOKS LIKE A DUPLEX, BUT THEN IT ALLOWS THOSE HOMEOWNERS TO OWN BOTH THE LAND AND THE STRUCTURE.IT'S EASIER TO GET FINANCING THAT WAY.
IT'S EASIER TO BUY THOSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, AGAIN, EASIER TO BUILD THAT WEALTH FOR THOSE HOUSEHOLDS.
UH, BUT YOU'RE NOT REDUCING THE SIZE OF THE LOT FOR A, YOU'RE NOT REDUCING THE 6,000 SQUARE FEET TO A 3000 SQUARE FEET.
WELL, IT, AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD GET INTO THE AUTHORIZED HEARING, BUT WHAT IT MOST LIKELY WOULD DO IS IT STILL SAYS THAT YOU CAN BUILD TWO UNITS.
UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A DUPLEX, IT'S A 6,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM.
IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, IT'S 3000.
SO IT'S STILL THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE SAME STRUCTURE, IT'S JUST, YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO SUBDIVIDE IT.
COMMISSIONER HALL, MR. PLAS, I JUST WANNA, I'LL PLAY DUMB HERE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND.
SO WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE AN AREA PLAN.
UH, IF WE APPROVE THE AREA PLAN, THEN YOU WOULD COME BACK TO US LATER WITH ANOTHER CASE FOR AN AUTHORIZED HEARING TO IMPLEMENT THAT AREA PLAN.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, LAST QUESTION, PLEASE.
HAVE WE ALREADY BEEN, HAVE WE ALREADY BEEN, UM, HAVE, HAVE, HAVE PD 5 9 5 ALREADY BEEN AUTHORIZED FOR AUTHORIZED HEARING? YES.
COMMISSIONER, UM, AND ONE OF THE, TO, TO DIVE BACK INTO DUPLEXES IS SOUTH DALLAS ONE OF THE ONLY AREAS THAT CURRENTLY HAS, THE REASON THAT YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT LANGUAGE IS BECAUSE IN SOUTH DALLAS, UM, OUR DUPLEXES TYPICALLY HAVE THAT ISSUE WITH NOT BEING ABLE TO BE SOLD BECAUSE OF THE LAND WITH IT DOESN'T HAVE THE, UM, IF THE PROPERTY HAS NOT BEEN SUBDIVIDED, WELL BEEN REPLANTED TO SO THAT THEY CAN ONLY LAY IT UP UNDERNEATH.
UM, I, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, IT IS NOT THE ONLY AREA OF DALLAS, BUT IT IS A, A, A, A COMMON ISSUE FOR DUPLEXES IN SOUTH DALLAS AND QUITE A BIT ABOUT DUPLEXES ARE MORE RENTAL THAN THEIR YARD FOR SALE.
AND ONE THING WE HEARD FROM, UM, THE TASK FORCE AND THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS IS THEY WANT MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR DIFFERENT HOUSING CHOICE AND THIS GIVES THAT OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY AND EQUITY BUILDING.
UM, MR. BLADES, UM, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO DO AN AUTHORIZED HEARING TO REALLY ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.
UM, BUT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER GOT INTO A QUESTION THAT I ASKED AT THE LAST HEARING, WHICH WAS ABOUT CRITERIA ABOUT THESE, THESE VACANT LOTS AND THESE, THESE LOTS AND WHERE THE DUPLEXES WOULD BE.
AND WERE NOT, IT, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT, UM, WE NEED SOMETHING SPECIFIC.
I, I WOULD BE MORE INCLINED TO SUPPORT A PLAN THAT HAD MORE SPECIFIC, UH, DESCRIPTION OF WHERE, YOU KNOW, THESE LOTS, UH, SHOULD BE UTILIZED FOR DUPLEX WHERE THEY MUST REMAIN SINGLE FAMILY.
I CAN RESPECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S POINT OF VIEW ON THAT, BUT I BELIEVE WE, WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME THE APPROXIMATELY 700 VACANT PROPERTIES.
AND SO THAT BEGINS TO SOUND LIKE 700 ZONING CASES WITHOUT A CLEAR CRITERIA.
AND THOSE CASES WOULD OCCUR OVER ANY NUMBER OF YEARS WITH ANY DIFFERENT NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COMPOSITIONS OF THIS BODY THAT WOULD BE INTERPRETING THE CIRCUMSTANCES DIFFERENTLY EVERY TIME.
AND IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A GREAT POLICY, YOU KNOW, TO, TO ME THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CLARITY SO THAT, UM, WE, WE KNOW WHAT THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO PROVIDE IN ORDER TO BUILD A CASE FOR A A DUPLEX.
CAN YOU COMMENT ON THAT? SO, UM, YES, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, AGAIN, TRYING TO, UM, GET INTO WHAT THE TASK FORCE AND THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WERE TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE PART OF IT WAS THEY DIDN'T WANNA SAY NO TO CERTAIN LOCATIONS OUTRIGHT.
THEY WANTED TO HAVE THE OP OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME PEOPLE TO COME IN AND SAY, YEAH, I, THIS IS THE REASON WHY I THINK IT WORKS HERE.
SO IT'S NOT JUST THAT IT'S SAYING IT SHOULD BE OVER HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE ALSO SAYING THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE OVER THERE.
THEY'RE SAYING WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT.
THERE IS LANGUAGE IN FOR DALLAS THAT TALKS ABOUT, UM, THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS, UM, IN THE, THE PLACE TYPE THAT MUCH OF SOUTH DALLAS IS THAT TALKS ABOUT, UM, THOSE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DIFFERENT, THE DUPLEXES OR THE OTHER HOUSING TYPES ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LOOK AT VACANT PROPERTIES, AREAS ON MAJOR CORRIDORS, UM, ACCESS TO TRANSIT, ACCESS TO JOBS, UM, THAT WOULD STILL BE APPLICABLE IN THIS CASE.
UM, OR SORRY, IN SOUTH DALLAS.
SO YOU CAN STILL USE THAT AS A CRITERIA.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS, UH, THE COMMUNITY SAYING THIS IS EXACTLY, OR THESE ARE THE, THE, THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO CHECK OFF THE BOX, UM, WE, WE DIDN'T GET A CLEAR RESPONSE THERE.
WELL, SOMEONE'S GONNA NEED TO COME UP WITH IT, I THINK.
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IT'S PRONE TO HAVE ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS AND ALL, ALL SORTS OF, OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ARBITRARY DECISIONS.COULD I JUST, AND MAYBE THIS SUGGESTION FOR THE BODY IS THAT WE ACTUALLY, WE COULD PUT THAT LANGUAGE, WE COULD MIMIC THE LANGUAGE FROM FORWARD DALLAS AND PUT IT DIRECTLY INTO THIS PLAN TO GIVE MORE GUIDANCE BECAUSE IT WILL BE APPLICABLE.
IT'S NOT NEW, NEW LANGUAGE, IT'S ALREADY ADOPTED.
WE CAN, THROUGH FORWARD DALLAS, WE CAN PUT THAT LANGUAGE HERE IN THIS PLAN TO GIVE MORE LOCATIONAL SPECIFICITY AND WE COULD SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO, WHICH IS ALSO IN FORWARD DALLAS, BUT WE COULD PUT IT ALL IN ONE PLACE OR IN A MORE CONFINED PLACE IN THE AREA PLAN ABOUT THE DESIGN.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, IF THE DESIGN MEETS THE DESIRED INTENT OF THIS PLAN AND THE LOCATIONAL CRITERIA FROM FORWARD DALLAS.
SO IT GIVES YOU SOME GENERAL PARAMETERS.
AND THEN AGAIN, ONCE WE GET INTO THE AUTHORIZED HEARING, IF THEY WANNA NARROW IT DOWN EVEN FURTHER IN THE AUTHORIZED HEARING, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT.
THAT'S A SUGGESTION TO THE BODY.
THAT'S IF, IF WE DO HAVE SOME LANGUAGE AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO, TO TRANSFER THAT INTO THE AREA PLAN, WE CAN DO THAT.
UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES.
PATRICK, COULD YOU READ THE RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE THAT WAS DISCUSSED ABOUT THE 25 FOOT LOTS? UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE GOT FROM, UH, MS. RAGSDALE ARE THAT, UM, THE AUTHORIZED HEARING SHOULD CONSIDER, UM, THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH AND A WIDTH TO HEIGHT RATIO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER FORESITE.
SO DOES THE, UM, PLAN ALSO HAVE THE INSTRUCTION THAT THE, THE ISSUE OF, UH, DUPLEXES THAT ARE ON THESE NONCONFORMING LOTS WILL BE ADDRESSED? YES.
COMMISSIONER DOES IT CURRENTLY PATRICK? NO.
SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PART OF THE MOTION.
SO WE WOULD ASK THAT THIS BODY, IF YOU WANNA INCLUDE NEW LANGUAGE INTO THE PLAN, WE WOULD ASK THIS BODY TO MAKE A MOTION TO INCLUDE THAT NEW LANGUAGE INTO THE PLAN.
YEAH, WE WERE, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT.
UH, MR. MOORE, YOU HAVE SUCH LANGUAGE AVAILABLE AND READY TO GO, RIGHT, SIR? YES.
HE INFORMED YOU SOME OF THE, AS FAR AS THE 50 FOOT BY HUNDRED KNOTS, UM, YOU CAN'T FORCE THEM TO REPLACE WE COMMISSIONER, WE HAVE RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE THAT DOESN'T, IT IS AREA PLAN LANGUAGE THAT DOESN'T GET INTO THE ZONING THAT ASKS US TO REVIEW WHAT CAN BE DONE ONCE WE GET TO THE AUTHORIZED HEARING.
IT JUST PUTS A NOTE IN THE PLAN.
THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED AT THE TIME OF ZONING.
SO IT KEEPS IT OPEN FROM AN AREA PLAN STANDPOINT TO SAY WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE MINIMUM LOT SIZES IN THE R FIVE DISTRICTS WHEN WE GET TO THE AUTHORIZED HEARING.
NOT IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO BUILD, THEY CAN STILL BUILD ON IT.
IT, BUT THE DESIGN STANDARDS WOULD AFFECT WHAT COULD BE BUILT THERE.
COMMISSIONER? UM, I WAS JUST EXPLAINING THAT IF THE LOTS TODAY ARE PLATTED SUCH THAT THEY'RE NARROW, WE CANNOT FORCE A PROPERTY OWNER TO COME BACK TO COME BEFORE THIS BODY TO REPL TO MAKE THE LOTS LARGER.
WE CAN, HOWEVER, REQUIRE DESIGN STANDARDS TO MAKE THE PROPERTIES ON
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THOSE SMALLER LOTS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA COMMISSIONERS.WE'RE GONNA TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK.
WE'RE GETTING BACK ON THE RECORD.
UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
AND, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET TO A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? NO MORE QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? ALL RIGHT, WE ARE READY.
READY FOR A MOTION? OKAY, IT'S A TOUCH SCREEN.
IN A MATTER OF, IN A MATTER OF TWO, WHAT IS IT? JUST SAY SIX IN THE MATTER OF ITEM NUMBER 26, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK AREA PLAN.
I MOVED TO COASTAL PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVED THE AREA PLAN AS GENERALLY BOUNDED BY HASKELL AVENUE TO THE NORTH, THE SOUTHERN PACIFIC CENTRAL BYPASS RAILROAD LINE TO THE EAST BOTTOM, JOHN BOULEVARD TO THE SOUTH AND THE, AND THE GULF, COLORADO AND SANTA FE RAIL TO THE WEST WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES IN PD 5 95 FOR A LIVE WORK UNIT, THE FLOOR AREA FOR A DWELLING UNIT CAN EXCEED THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOT OF THE MAIN USE FOR ES AND SINGLE FAMILY USES.
MAXIMUM HEIGHT SHOULD BE 30 FEET MEASURED FROM THE TALLEST POINT OF THE ROOF, OF THE ROOF POINT.
THE AUTHORIZED HEARING SHOULD REVIEW THE EXISTING LAND USES FOR DUPLEXES AND WRITE DOWN THEM.
THE AUTHORIZED HEARING PROCESS SHOULD REVIEW MINIMUM LOT WIDTHS AND WIDTHS TO HEIGHT RATIO IN THE R FIVE A DISTRICT.
AND IF I CAN GET A SECOND, I HAVE CUMMINS.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS PLEASE.
UM, I DON'T EVEN FEEL WITH SO MANY EMOTIONS, UM, AS IT RELATES TO THIS AREA PLAN.
THIS WAS NOT EASY, BUT IT DID BECOME FUN.
IT BECAME, UM, VERY INTENTIONAL.
UM, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED, THERE WAS A LOT OF DOUBTS.
I, I DO BELIEVE OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UM, WHICH IS NOW DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING, HAS CHANGED A LOT.
THOSE PLANNERS WE HAVE WORKED WITH HAVE VERY, BEEN VERY INTENTIONAL IN THIS PROCESS.
THEY HAVE BEEN, UM, VERY RECEPTIVE
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TO OUR, UM, OUR QUESTIONS.OUR DE SOMETIME I DEMAND, SOMETIME I SCOLDING AND THEY HAVE STUCK RIGHT IN THERE, ESPECIALLY THE LINDSEY, PATRICK, AND ANDREA.
I CAN SAY THAT WHEN ANDREA CAME ON BOARD, SHE CHANGED THE, THE TRAJECTORY OF WHAT WE WERE DOING IN THIS PARTICULAR PLAN.
SHE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE A HUNDRED AND SOMETHING PLUS PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED OVER, UM, THE LAST 30 PLUS YEARS AND SAID THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.
UM, I, I 100% WANNA THANK MS. RAGSDALE AND THE TEAM, UM, THAT HELPED CREATE PD 5 95 IN THE TIMEFRAME THAT WHEN IT WAS CREATED, WHEN SOUTH DALLAS HAD SO MANY, UM, NEGATIVE, UM, BUSINESSES AND HARMFUL USES THAT WERE NOT ALLOWING US TO GROW AND BE THE BEST AT PART OF THE CITY THAT WE COULD BE.
AND SO AT THE TIME THAT PD 5 95 WAS CREATED, IT WAS A NECESSITY FOR THOSE THINGS.
BUT US MOVING FORWARD AND, AND HONORING THOSE WHO CAME BEFORE US, SUCH AS MS. RAGSDALE, MR. LAWSON, UM, AND THOSE OTHERS WHO SAID THAT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT NOW WE MUST MOVE FORWARD.
UM, THIS PROCESS, WHEN I FIRST CAME ON, I THINK THAT I ARGUED WITH MS. RAGSDALE.
I WAS MAD ON A REGULAR BASIS, BUT I HAVE GROUPS TO RESPECT AND LOVE HER.
UM, THIS IS, THIS IS IS A SWEET MOMENT.
UM, IT, IT ALSO HELPED ME AS GO BACK TO SCHOOL AND I WAS ALREADY FOR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, BUT TOMORROW BECAUSE OF THIS PLAN AND LEARNING, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT A URBAN PLANNING WAS.
BUT MISS BOWING AND ANDREA, AND LINDSAY AND PATRICK AND THE WHOLE PLANNING TEAM HELPED ME TO GROW ON, TO BE ABLE TO LEARN HOW TO NOT ONLY HELP SOUTH DALLAS, BUT BEYOND SOUTH DALLAS.
SO I'M GRATEFUL AND THANKFUL AND I KNOW THAT THIS LAND USE IS NOT SOMETHING, UM, THIS AREA PLAN WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE TOOK LIGHTLY.
WE DO KNOW THAT THERE'S THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO AS IT RELATES TO THE AUTHORIZED HEARING, BUT I ALSO WANNA THANK OUR COUNCIL MEMBER, DEPUTY PRO TEM BA FOR TRUSTING US.
HE STEPPED ASIDE, STEPPED IN WHEN HE NEEDED TO, BUT ALLOWED FOR A COMMUNITY TO REALLY ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY ITSELF AND SAY WHAT WE WANTED, HOW IS THIS GONNA BE DICTATED? AND WHEN THE TIME WE CALLED AND SAID, WE NEED YOU TO BE HERE, HE SHOWED UP.
BUT THIS HAS BEEN TRULY A SOUTH DALLAS, EAST DALLAS PLAN THAT HAS BEEN PUT TOGETHER BY THE LEADERS IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A BUNCH OF OUTSIDE PEOPLE COMING IN TELLING US WHAT WE NEEDED.
WE STOOD FIRM ON OUR BELIEFS AND WHAT WE WANTED THE CITY.
I, I MUST GIVE AGAIN, THANKS TO OUR, OUR PLANNING, UM, DEPARTMENT, WHO REALLY, I BELIEVE, HAVE BEGAN TO UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE.
WE DO KNOW THAT THE AUTHORIZED HEARING TEAM HAVE BEEN TRAUMATIZED BECAUSE OF OTHER AUTHORIZED HEARING, BUT I CAN PROMISE THEM THAT WE WANT OURS COMPLETED IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
WE'VE DONE THE HARD WORK SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO FIVE MORE YEARS OF PLANNING.
BUT THANK YOU ALL AND DEFINITELY I WANNA THANK THIS COMMISSION FOR THE THINGS THAT I'VE LEARNED.
I CAME IN, I CALLED MYSELF A GRASS ROOT COMMISSIONER, UM, GREEN TO THE ACTUAL WHAT WE DO AROUND THE HORSESHOE.
BUT I WANT TO THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU ALL FOR TEACHING AND, AND BEING PATIENT AND SOMETIME PROBABLY LOOKING AND ROLLING EYES SAYING, WHAT IS SHE SAYING? BUT IT WAS BECAUSE I KNEW THE HEART OF WHAT, WHAT I COME FROM THE GRASSROOTS PORTION.
THIS, I DIDN'T COME FROM THE EDUCATION FIRST.
THE EDUCATION HAS CAME SECOND.
BUT I WANT TO THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU ALL AROUND THIS HORSESHOE.
OUR COUNCIL MEMBER AND THE TEAM, MS. RAGSDALE AND EVA.
SCOTTY, WHO HAS BEEN MY, I DIDN'T LIKE HIM WHEN I FIRST STARTED 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD BEEN THE CHAIR.
BUT HE IS MY, HE HAS BECOME A BROTHER AND, AND, AND SO MANY OF THE OTHER PLAYERS AROUND.
AND WHEN I WALK ACROSS THE STAGE TOMORROW, I WILL WALK ACROSS THE STAGE KNOWING THAT I HAVE STOOD ON THE SHOULDERS OF GREATNESS TO GET TO WHERE I'M GOING.
ANY OTHER, ANYBODY WANNA FOLLOW THAT
UH, JUST, UH, CONGRATULATIONS TO, TO ALL OF YOU.
UM, AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FOR THE FANTASTIC WORK ON THAT.
THANK YOU TO STAFF AND THANK YOU TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
UH, IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING.
UM, IT HASN'T BEEN AN EASY PROCESS AND IN FACT THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE AN EASY PROCESS.
IT'S THAT THAT FRICTION, THAT, THAT CREATES THESE KINDS OF COMPROMISES AND IDEAS.
AND SO I'M VERY HAPPY THAT WE'RE, WE'RE HERE AT THIS MOMENT TODAY.
VERY HAPPY TO SUPPORT EMOTION.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER? SEEING NONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, SIR, PLEASE.
I HAD A FAMILY FIRE AND A LOT MOVING, GOING ON.
UM, BUT, UH, TABITHA, I JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
UM, I WISH YOU WOULD'VE LET ME GO BEFORE YOU.
UM, I, I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK.
I'VE BEEN ABLE TO WATCH, UM, YOU HAVE COMMUNITY
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MEETINGS, COME BACK TO THE TABLE, UM, DISCUSS WHAT YOU'VE LEARNED, HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY.UM, I KNOW THIS WAS A FIGHT, THIS WAS ON HOLD AFTER COVID.
UM, I, YOU GUYS, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE HISTORY OF THIS AREA, THE BOMBING, THE, THE, THE TERRORISTIC ACTS AGAINST OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, THE REDLINING, THE PUSHING PEOPLE OUT, THAT THE, I CAN GO ON AND ON ABOUT WHY FINALLY SOUTH DALLAS IS GETTING THE INTELLIGENT, UM, ATTACK, UM, OF REDLINING AND, AND HISTORIC, UM, DESTRUCTION OF OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU FOR THE HONORABLE RAGSDALE, UM, IN THE ENTIRE, UH, AND MR. SCOTTY AS WELL FOR, FOR HIS LEADERSHIP THROUGHOUT THIS.
UM, I'M PROUD TO BE A PART OF THIS BODY AND WISH I COULD HAVE BEEN THERE IN PERSON.
UM, BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR WORK AND THANK YOU, UM, COMMISSIONERS, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR, UM, LISTENING TO US.
I THINK WHAT WE SAW TODAY HIGHLIGHTS A LOT OF WHAT WE'VE SAID OVER THE YEARS THAT JUST HASN'T BEEN VISIBLE.
UM, SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR LISTENING AND KEEPING AN OPEN MIND AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS, AND NONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[5. 25-1566A An application for an amendment and renewal of Specific Use Permit No. 1661 for an open-enrollment charter school use on property zoned an IR Industrial Research District with Deed Restrictions (Z823-131), on property bounded by Beckleymeade Avenue, South Hampton Road, Westfall Drive, and Stoneview Street.]
WILL NOW GO BACK AND, UH, PICK UP OUR CASES THAT WERE PULLED OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA, AND WE'LL BEGIN WITH CASE NUMBER FIVE.ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS, THAT'S OKAY.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT AND RENEWAL OF SPEC SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1661 FOR AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL USE ON PROPERTY ZONE IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS.
DEED RESTRICTIONS, EIGHT, UH, Z 8 2, 303 1.
AND THIS IS ON PROPERTY BOUNDED BY BECKLEY MEAD AVENUE, SOUTH HAMPTON ROAD, WESTFALL DRIVE, AND STONE VIEW STREET STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED SITE PLAN AND AMENDED CONDITIONS.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER FRANKEN, DO YOU HAVE MOTIONS? OH, SORRY.
I WANTED TO MAKE A SMALL LITTLE PLEASE CLARIFICATION ON OUR BRIEFING.
YES, I DID JUST WANNA MAKE A QUICK CLARIFICATION ON THE BRIEFING.
UM, WE TALKED, THIS WAS WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE CONDITIONS AND WHICH ONES WE WOULD SAY, UH, THIS IS GOOD PRACTICE FOR MOVING FORWARD.
UH, WE WOULD, WHILE WE MIGHT WANT TO STRIKE, UM, PARKING AS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS FROM, FROM SUVS FOR SCHOOLS, UH, WE DO STILL FIND IT IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE INGRESS EGRESS CONDITIONS, AND WE WILL PROBABLY STILL HAVE THOSE INGRESS EGRESS CONDITIONS WHEN THEY SAY AT THE END, UM, NO ADDITIONAL INGRESS EGRESS IS PERMITTED.
THAT HELPS, UH, BOTH THIS BODY AND AND STAFF, UM, HAVE A PREDICTABLE, UH, PLAN AS TO WHERE INGRESS EGRESS IS AND NOT LET IT BE MODIFIED THROUGH A MINOR.
UH, BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL, UH, THINK THESE THINGS THROUGH PRETTY CAREFULLY AT THE DAY.
SO I, I DID MISSPEAK ON THAT ONE.
AND THAT'S A CONDITION WE'D LIKE TO, TO LEAVE IN.
SO I BELIEVE WE HAVE A MOTION TO, TO, TO KEEP THAT IN.
UH, AND GOING FORWARD, IT'S, IT IS SOMETHING WE, THAT ONE WE'D LEAVE IN THE STANDARD ONE.
MAYBE THE PARKING ONE, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD BE STRUCK.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE? YES.
SO, UM, I JUST NEED A CLARIFICATION ON THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO IT'S GONNA BE AMENDED CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED, RETAINING NUMBER FIVE, INGRESS EGRESS INGRESS AND EGRESS MUST BE PROVIDED IN THE LOCATION SHOWN ON THE ALLOWED SITE PLAN AND NO ADDITIONAL INGRESS AND EGRESS IS ALLOWED.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I THINK THERE WILL BE A MOTION MADE TO ADD THAT LANGUAGE BACK IN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONER CENON? COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34 DASH 2 53, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM SUBJECT TO IN AN AMENDED SITE PLAN IN AMENDED CONDITIONS.
WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES, ADD A
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NEW CONDITION ENTITLED INGRESS EGRESS TO READ AS FOLLOWS, INGRESS AND EGRESS MUST BE PROVIDED IN THE LOCATION SHOWN ON THE ATTACHED SITE PLAN.NO OTHER INGRESS OR EGRESS IS PERMITTED.
COMMISSIONER FRANKEN FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.
AND THE OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES.
[6. 25-1567A An application for a Specific Use Permit for a private school on property within R-10(A) and R-1ac(A) Single Family Districts, on the south line of West-Northwest Highway, the west line of Midway Road, and the north line of Cochran Chapel Road.]
GO TO CASE NUMBER SIX.ITEM NUMBER SIX IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL ON PROPERTY.
THEN R 10 A AND R ONE A C, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS ON THE SOUTH LINE OF WEST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, THE WEST LINE OF MID MIDWAY ROAD AND THE NORTH LINE OF COCHRANE CHAPEL ROAD.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN, A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE LIKE TO BE HEARD AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? THIS ITEM? ANYONE WANT TO BE HEARD? OKAY.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF THE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE? OKAY, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER HALL, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? I DO.
MR. CHAIR, UH, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 45 1 72, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS, SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND CONDITIONS.
WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES, THE PROPERTY OWNER OR OPERATOR SHALL SUBMIT AN UPDATE TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY TO THE DIRECTOR BY NOVEMBER 1ST, 2026, NOVEMBER 1ST, 2030, AND EVERY FIVE YEARS THEREAFTER, AND WOULD DELETE THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER OR OPERATOR ANNUALLY SUBMITS UPDATES TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR SECOND DISCUSSION.
[11. 25-1572A An application for a Specific Use Permit for the sale of alcoholic beverages in conjunction with a general merchandise or food store less than 3,500 square feet on property zoned a CR-D-1 Community Retail with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay, on the southeast corner of North Masters Drive and Tokowa Drive. ]
TO CASE NUMBER 11.LET'S GET THAT ONE RIGHT INTO THE
AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE, LESS THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET ON PROPERTY ZONED AS CRD ONE COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF NORTH MASTERS DRIVE IN TO TOCOA DRIVE.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS PRESENT TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM 11? ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM 11? ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? I DO MS. MAY, DID YOU CONFIRM THAT THIS LOCATION IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE 12 B ORDINANCE? UH, WE DID.
UM, THEY WERE ABLE TO SEND US THEIR CERTIFICATE.
UH, JUST ALSO THAT, UH, JUST TO STATE FOR THE RECORD, THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT SELLING ALCOHOL THERE AT THE LOCATION TODAY.
NOW, I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT THIS CASE.
SO THEN I WILL STATE THAT FOR THE RECORD WHEN I MAKE MY MOTION TO, UH, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? UH, WE DO IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 45, 1 0 1 5, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.
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VERY SUPER BRIEF COMMENT IF I GET A SECOND.DO I HAVE A SECOND? FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, JUST TO, UH, JUST TO SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT IN FACT, UH, THE APPLICANT IS NOT SELLING, UH, BEER AND WINE AT THE LOCATION.
AND INTERESTING THING THAT I, I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE WHEN I VISITED THE STORE YESTERDAY THAT ON, ON ALL THE COOLERS, THEY, THEY PUT SIGNS THAT SAY WE'RE NOT SELLING BEER AND WINE UNTIL WE GET OUR SUP
UM, BUT I APPRECIATE THE VOTE ON THIS ONE.
A ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, COMMENTS DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, IT'S UP FOR A VOTE.
[12. 25-1573A An application for an R-5(A) Single Family District on property zoned an A(A) Agricultural District with deed restrictions [Z845-372], on the northeast line of Haymarket Road, southeast of South Saint Augustine Road.]
TO NUMBER 12 I, ITEM NUMBER 12 IS KZ 2 4 5 1 24.AN APPLICATION FOR AN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE AND AA AGRICULTURE DISTRICT WITH DATE RESTRICTIONS Z 8 4 5 3 7 2 ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF HAYMARKET ROAD, SOUTHEAST OF SOUTH ST.
STAR RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
SEE, I TOLD YOU WE'D HAVE A NEW ADDRESS.
DON'T ASK ME THE ZIP CODE 'CAUSE I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE ZIP CODE IS.
WE JUST LITERALLY BOOED IN LAST NIGHT.
UM, I I I'VE GOT A PRESENTATION BUT I'M NOT GONNA SHOW IT
I GET APPLAUSE FROM OVER THERE AND FROM ALL Y'ALL.
UM, LAST TIME I WAS HERE, WE AGREED, UH, TO CHANGE OUR APPLICA, NOT CHANGE THE PHYSICAL APPLICATION, BUT WE WERE AGREEABLE TO R SEVEN FIVE.
ONE OTHER POINT I WANTED TO MAKE, I TALKED TO THE OWNER RIGHT AFTER THE HEARING AND IT CAME UP ABOUT THE, THE, UH, HAYMARKET IN ST.
AUGUSTINE ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AGO, THE CITY BASICALLY CAME OUT THERE AND STRIPPED BOTH THOSE DOWN TO SUBGRADE AND REPAVED THEM ALL.
SO I'M NOT SAYING IT'S, UH, CONCRETE STREETS, BUT THAT WILL LAST LONGER THAN OVERLAYING IT.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE CITY CAME OUT THERE AND DID IT.
AND ALSO ONE OF THE REASONS WHY NOT TO TEAR IT UP AND START OVER AGAIN.
UH, THE OTHER THING IS WE'RE THE SUBDIVISION THAT'S SURROUNDING THIS, THAT THIS WILL BECOME PART OF.
UM, THERE WE'VE GOT OUR, UH, SECOND I BELIEVE SET OF, UH, COMMENTS FROM ENGINEERING AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THEM.
AND SOME OF THOSE INCLUDE SOME OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ENGINEERING HAS ASKED US TO DO.
SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT AND THIS WILL JUST BE A SECOND OR THIRD PHASE OF THAT IF IT'S APPROVED.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR MR. CAULEY.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? I DO.
MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 45 DASH 1 24, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE ZONING WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE.
THE PROPERTY WILL BE ZONED AS R 75, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY YOU OPPOSED THE AYES? HAVE IT GO
[13. 25-1574A An application for an R-5(A) Single Family District on property zoned an A(A) Agricultural District, on the south line of South St. Augustine Road, east of Middlefield Road.]
NUMBER 13.I ITEM NUMBER 13 Z 2 45 DASH 22.
APPLICATION FOR A R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE AA AGRICULTURE ON THE SOUTH LINE OF SOUTH ST.
AUGUSTINE ROAD, EAST OF MIDDLEFIELD ROAD.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
UH, IS THE APPLICANT HERE OR ANYONE WANT TO BE HEARD ON THIS? ITEM? 13? THIS IS 13.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ONE? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, DO YOU HAVE MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 45 DASH 1 22? I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MAY 22ND, 2025.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
[14. 25-1575A An application for a new subdistrict on property zoned Subdistrict 1A within Planned Development District No. 714, the West Commerce Street/Fort Worth Avenue Special Purpose District, an A(A) Agricultural District, and an IM Industrial Manufacturing District, on the west line of North Beckley Avenue, between West Commerce Street and West Main Street; also on the north line of West Main Street, between North Beckley Avenue and Herbert Street; and the northeast corner of North Beckley Avenue and West Commerce Street.]
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ALL.ITEM 14 IS CASES Z 2 34 DASH 2 62 AN AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE SUBDISTRICT ONE A WITHIN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 7 1 4, THE WEST COMMERCE STREET SLASH FORT WORTH AVENUE SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT, AN AA AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AND AN IM INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING DISTRICT ON THE WEST LINE OF NORTH BECKLEY AVENUE BETWEEN WEST COMMERCE STREET AND WEST MAIN STREET.
ALSO ON THE NORTH LINE OF WEST MAIN STREET BETWEEN NORTH BECKLEY AVENUE AND HERBERT STREET AND THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF NORTH BECKLEY AVENUE AND WEST COMMERCE STREET STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
UH, MEMBERS OF THE PLAN COMMISSION? ANDREW REIG.
WELLBORN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS.
UM, ALSO MOVED INTO A NEW OFFICE LAST NIGHT, SO I ALSO DON'T KNOW THE ZIP CODE, UH, AS WELL YET.
UH, THIS IS PART OF THE, UH, WEST OVERLOOK SECTION OF THE NEW HAROLD SIMMONS PARK JUST OFF THE TRINITY RIVER.
UH, WE ARE CREATING A NEW SUBDISTRICT IN ORDER TO GET SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THE PARK DESIGN.
UH, WE HAVE A VERY UNIQUE, UH, PARK THAT WE'RE PROVIDING FOR THE PUBLIC HERE.
IT'S PART OF A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WITH CITY OF DALLAS AND THE, UH, LGC LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATION.
UH, HAD SOME SLIDES I SHARED AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS SHOULD THERE BE ANY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR MR. RUIT? OKAY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES, PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER HALL? UH, MR. UH, WHAT IS ON THE SITE RIGHT NOW? RIGHT NOW THE SITE'S A MIX OF A LOT OF, UH, INDUSTRIAL USES OR COMMERCIAL USES.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO HOW MANY OF THEM ARE EVEN IN OPERATION ANYMORE, BUT, UH, LOOKING THROUGH THE SITE PHOTOS, IT'S KIND OF, I WOULD DESCRIBE IT AS SOMEWHAT DERELICT TO AN EXTENT.
IN TERMS OF WHAT, IS THERE JUST A LOT OF OLDER INDUSTRIAL TYPE BUILDINGS? THERE ARE SOME, I THINK A FEW OLDER SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES THAT ALSO WERE VACANT AT SOME POINT.
AND IF YOU COMPARE THE PHOTOS, WHICH WERE TAKEN, UH, LATE LAST YEAR TO THE STREET VIEW TODAY, I THINK A FEW OF THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN, UH, DEMOLISHED.
ALL THE ONES THAT ARE WITHIN THE AREA OF REQUEST THAT ARE OWNED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, THERE'S SOME INDUSTRIAL USES TO THE NORTH.
THERE'S THE, I BELIEVE UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD LINE.
UH, THERE'S SOME INDUSTRIAL USES NORTH OF THE RAILROAD LINE, AND THEN TO THE WEST AND INTO THE SOUTH ARE SOME MULTIFAMILY USES AND ADDITIONAL SORT OF COMMERCIAL USES.
WOULD, WOULD THESE DERELICT BUILDINGS, UH, BE DEMOLISHED? UH, IN THE COURSE OF DEVELOP? UH, I SUSPECT YES, THEY WOULD NEED TO BE DEVELOP REC TAKEN DOWN IN ORDER TO CREATE THE PARK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? SEE NONE.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES.
IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34 DASH 2 62, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE.
SECTION 51 P 0.7 1 4 13 Q SUBDISTRICT H ONE SHOULD READ FOR A SPECIAL PARK PROJECT USE IN SUBDISTRICT ONE HA MINIMUM OF 40 SPACES ARE REQUIRED.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.
[15. 25-1576A An application for a Specific Use Permit for a metal salvage facility on property zoned an IM Industrial Manufacturing District, on the north side of Singleton Boulevard between Pluto Street and Norwich Street.]
PLEASE.ITEM 15 IS CASE Z 2 45 DASH 1 59.
AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A METAL SALVAGE FACILITY ON PROPERTY ZONE THAN I AM INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING DISTRICT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SINGLETON BOULEVARD BETWEEN PLUTO STREET AND NORWICH STREET STAFF'S.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND STAFFS RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.
SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS.
UH, THE REQUEST IS, THIS IS AN INTERESTING ONE.
WE'RE ASKING FOR AN SUP TO ALLOW INSIDE, UH, BAILING AND SORTING OF METAL.
UM, THIS CLIENT, THEY'RE ALREADY OPERATING THERE FOR SOME CERTAIN REASON.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN BAIL METAL, BUT YOU CAN'T SORT IT.
SO WE'RE DOING THE SUP TO ALLOW BOTH OPERATIONS.
MY CLIENT IS A GROUP CALLED METAL X OUT OF INDIANA.
THEY HAVE THESE OPERATIONS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY IN THIS INSTANCE.
THE ONLY METAL THEY GET IS FROM THE GM ARLINGTON PLANT.
UH, THE LEFTOVER STAMPINGS, IT'S BOTH ALUMINUM AND A FERRIS METAL.
THEY BRING THIS TO THE SITE AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SORT IT THROUGH MAGNETS AND THEN COMBINE IT, UH, INTO BALES
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AND THEN SHIP IT OFF TO BE RECYCLED AND REBUILT.UH, MELTED DOWN INTO INGOTS AND SOLD BACK TO GM.
EVERYTHING WILL HAPPEN INSIDE.
UH, THERE'S NO CHEMICALS INVOLVED.
AND, UH, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S KIND ENOUGH TO HOST.
UH, LAST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
UH, SO, UH, IT'S INSIDE, IT'S CLEAN, IT'S GOING INTO AN EXISTING STRUCTURE AND I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS.
AND I, AND IF YOU WANNA SEE HOW IT'S DONE, I HAVE VIDEOS, BUT I DON'T WANNA WASTE YOUR TIME WITH THAT.
AND IF YOU DON'T WANNA SEE HOW SORTING THE METAL IS DONE, UH, OKAY, YOU MAY HAVE A TAKER ON THAT.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FOR MR. BALDWIN OR REQUEST TO WATCH A VIDEO? COMMISSIONER HALL.
UH, MR. BALDWIN, WE DID GET A, A LETTER FROM, UH, I GUESS A BUSINESS OWNER THAT WAS NEARBY THAT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR EMPLOYEES WORKING OUTSIDE AND POSSIBLY BEING IMPACTED BY THE OPERATIONS IN, IN THIS BUILDING.
DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT OR HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO, SIR.
ALL, ALL OF OUR, EVERYTHING FROM WE DO IS INSIDE, UH, UNLOADING.
THEY, THEY GO UP TO A DOCK HIGH DOOR, PULL THE TRUCKS IN, GET THE MATERIALS OUT.
WHEN IT'S READY, THEY GO BACK IN.
OUR EMPLOYEES WON'T BE OUTSIDE.
THERE'S NO DUST OR VIBRATIONS GOING ON WITH THIS, AND IT'S REALLY NOT ALLOWED OPERATION.
SO I DON'T SEE HOW WHAT WE'RE DOING WOULD IMPACT ANYBODY ELSE IN THE IM DISTRICT.
KEEP IN MIND WE'RE IN THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AND SURROUNDED BY INDUSTRIAL USES.
THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL USE IS ABOUT 1700 FEET AWAY.
AND THIS SEPARATION OF METALS WOULD BE DONE MAGNETICALLY, NOT CHEMICALLY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, MAGNETICALLY.
IT COMES IN ON A CONVEYOR BELT AND, UH, THEY GET MIXED MATERIALS FROM THE GM PLANT.
IT GOES INTO A CONVEYOR BELT AND THE FERRIS METAL STICK TO THE, UH, MAGNET AND THE ALUMINUM FALLS OFF INTO A, A HOPPER.
THEN THEY, THEY TURN OFF THE MAGNET AND THE, THE FERRIS METALS FALL INTO ANOTHER HOPPER AND THEN THEY JUST GET COMPRESSED, BAILED AND WRAPPED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEE NONE.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? YES, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 45 DASH 15 NINE, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOWS STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, BUT FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.
AND I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS IF I GET A SECOND.
COMMISSIONER HARA FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
THIS OPERATION, UH, CAUSED, UH, THE PROPOSAL FOR AN SUP FOR METAL SALVAGE CAUSED A GREAT DEAL OF CONSTERNATION IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA AT FIRST, UH, PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF, UH, WELL FOR SEVERAL REASONS, BUT, UH, PRIMARILY BECAUSE THERE HAD JUST BEEN A FIRE AT AN OUTDOOR METAL SALVAGE, UM, FACILITY IN THE GENERAL AREA AND BEING A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AREA.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SALVAGE FACILITIES AND THE, UH, FIRST COMMUNITY MEETING WE HAD WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED AND THERE WERE A GREAT MANY QUESTIONS, BUT AS THEY LEARNED MORE ABOUT THE OPERATION, THAT INDEED A GREAT DEAL OF THIS OPERATION IS ALREADY TAKING PLACE IN AN EXISTING BUILDING AND PEOPLE WEREN'T EVEN AWARE OF IT.
THAT THE, UH, METAL THAT'S COMING FROM THAT G PLANT, IT WAS ALREADY BEING BROUGHT IN AND, YOU KNOW, UNLOADED INSIDE.
THAT ALL THAT THIS IS GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO DO IN ADDITION TO BAILLE IS TO SORT.
UM, BY THE TIME WE HAD THE SECOND MEETING, UM, THERE WERE ONLY TWO PEOPLE WHO SHOWED UP AND THAT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE REALIZED IN WEST DALLAS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE INDUSTRIAL RESIDENTIAL ISSUES, BUT THIS IS, AS MR. BALDWIN SAID, 1700 FEET AWAY FROM, UH, ANY NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT IS NOT CAUSING ANY SORT OF NOISE OR, UM, UH, NOXIOUS ODORS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, I'M, I'M QUITE, UM, AT PEACE WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, FALSE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND, UH, CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[16. 25-1577A An application for the renewal and amendment of Specific Use Permit (SUP) No. 2078 for an industrial (outside) potentially incompatible use limited to concrete or asphalt crushing and to add concrete or asphalt batching on property zoned an IM Industrial Manufacturing District, on the east line of Luna Road, north of Ryan Road.]
I, ITEM NUMBER 16 Z 2 34 DASH 3 37.AN APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWING AMENDMENT OF PACIFIC.
USE PERMIT NUMBER 2078 FOR INDUSTRIAL OUTSIDE.
POTENTIAL INCOMPATIBLE USE, LIMITED TO CONCRETE OR ASPHALT CRUSHING.
AND TO ADD CONCRETE AND ASPHALT BATCHING ON THE PROPERTY ZONE.
I AM INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURE MANUFACTURING DISTRICT ON THE EAST LINE OF LUNA ROAD, NORTH ORION
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ROAD AS STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AMENDED SITE PLAN AND AMENDED CONDITIONS.IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE HEARD OR ARE YOU AVAILABLE FOR YES, PLEASE GO ON.
SO I RESIDE AT 5 9 4 2 HURST STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 5 7 5 2 3 0.
UM, WE LOOK TOWARDS DALLAS' FUTURE.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THE ROLE OF CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITIONS PLAY IN SHAPING OUR CITY.
ONE OF THE MOST OVERLOOKED YET IMPACTFUL TOOL WE HAVE IS CONCRETE RECYCLING.
BY RECLAIMING AND REUSING CONCRETE FOR DEMOLITION SITES, WE CAN REDUCE STRAIN ON LANDFILLS, LOWER CONSTRUCTION COSTS, AND LIMIT THE ENVIRONMENT IMPACT OF NEW DEVELOPMENTS.
THIS APPROACH SUPPORTS DALLAS'S GOAL AROUND SUSTAINABILITY, RESILIENCE, AND EFFICIENT LAND USE.
RECYCLED CONCRETE CAN BE USED IN ROADS, FOUNDATIONS, INFRASTRUCTURE AND SAVING MATERIALS AND COSTS.
AND WITH TODAY'S EQUIPMENT AND PROCESS, IT'S MUCH CLEANER AND MORE CONTROL THAN EVER.
I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT ON A FIVE YEAR RENEWAL.
QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKER? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34 DASH 3 37.
I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND PUT THIS CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL JUNE THE 26TH, 2025.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
YOU OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT GO TO
[17. 25-1578A A City Plan Commission authorized hearing to determine proper zoning on property zoned an IM Industrial Manufacturing District with Specific Use Permit (SUP) No. 2078 for an industrial (outside) potentially incompatible use limited to concrete or asphalt crushing, on the east line of Luna Road, north of Ryan Road; and with consideration to be given to evaluating whether SUP No. 2078 is compatible with adjacent property and consistent with the character of the neighborhood.]
17, PLEASE.ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 17 IS Z 2 34 DASH 2 88.
A CITY PLAN COMMISSION AUTHORIZED HEARING TO DETERMINE, DETERMINE PROPER ZONING ON PROPERTIES ZONE.
IM INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURED DISTRICT WITH THE PACIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 27 8 FOR INDUSTRIAL OUTSIDE.
POTENTIAL INCOMPATIBLE USE LIMITED TO CONCRETE AND ASPHALT CRUSHING ON THE EAST LINE OF LUNA ROAD, NORFOLK RYAN ROAD WITH CONSIDERATION TO BE GIVEN TO EVALUATE WHERE THE PACIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2078 IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AND CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 DASH 2 88.
I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND PUT THIS CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL JUNE 26TH, 2025.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSIONS? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
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NOW MOVE TO OUR SUBDIVISION DOCK AND CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS CONSISTING OF CASES 18 THROUGH 24.IT'LL BE DEVOTED ON IN ONE MOTION UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE CASES 18 THROUGH 24.
ANY TAKERS? SEE NONE, COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON ANY OF THESE CASES? OKAY, AFTERNOON CHAIR.
COMMISSIONER AL TODAY'S CONSENT IS IN THAT CONSISTS OF SEVEN ITEMS. ITEM 18 S 2 4 5 DASH 1 42, ITEM 19 S 2 4 5 DASH 1 43, ITEM 20 S 24 5 DASH 1 44, ITEM 21 S 2 45 DASH 1 45, ITEM 22 S 2 4 5 DASH 1 46.
ALL CASES HAVE BEEN POSTED FOR A HEARING AT THIS TIME.
AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET ARE AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.
ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS? 18 THROUGH 24.
SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER, SHE DO YOU HAVE A MOTION SIR? I MOVE THAT WE, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE SUBDIVISION, UM, AS READ INTO THE RECORD.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER TURNOFF FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR SECOND.
[25. 25-1586A An amendment to the City of Dallas Thoroughfare Plan to change (1) the designation of Grady Niblo Road between Mountain Creek Parkway and S. Merrifield Road from a standard six-lane divided principal arterial roadway in 107 feet of right-of-way (S-6-D) to a minimum four-lane divided minor arterial roadway in 80 feet of right-of-way (M-4-D(A)), and (2) the designated alignment of the unbuilt portion of the roadway.]
NOW MOVE TO OUR LAST ITEM, WHICH IS THE THOROUGH FOR PLAN AMENDMENT.[02:55:03]
OKAY.ITEM 25, AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF DALLAS THOROUGHFARE.
THE DESIGNATION OF GRADY NLO ROAD BETWEEN MOUNTAIN CREEK PARKWAY AND SOUTH MARYFIELD ROAD FROM A STANDARD SIX LANE DIVIDED PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL ROADWAY AND 107 FEET RIGHT OF WAY TO A MINIMUM FOUR LANE DIVIDED MINOR ARTERIAL ROADWAY IN 80 FEET UP RIGHT OF WAY.
AND TWO, THE DESIGNATED ALIGNMENT OF THE UNBUILT PORTION OF THE ROADWAY.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVE IT APPROVAL TO AMEND THE CITY OF DALLAS THOROUGHFARE.
PLAN TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION OF GRADY NBO ROAD, UH, BETWEEN MIKE CRE PARKWAY AND MARYFIELD ROAD FROM A STANDARD SIX LANE DIVIDED PRE OUR TWO YEAR ROADWAY AND 107 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY TWO A MINIMUM FOUR LANE DIVIDED MINOR TWO YEAR ROADWAY, AND 80 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY AND A DESIGNATED ALIGNMENT OF THE, UM, BUILT PORTION OF THE ROAD.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? NO MORE CUSTOMERS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? JUST ONE, UH, QUESTION.
UM, MS. WILLIAMS, UM, ON, IN, IN REGARDS TO THIS THOROUGHFARE PLAN, IT IS THE APPROVAL OF AMENDING THE CURRENT THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT EXISTS TODAY.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THIS PLAN DIFFERS A LOT BECAUSE IT, IT REDUCES IT TO A FOUR LANE AND THEN IT ALSO TAKES, IT, UH, PUTS CURVATURES IN AND A COUPLE OTHER THINGS TO SLOW DOWN TRUCK TRAFFIC.
IS THAT ACCURATE? SO THE THIRD FAIR PLAN AMENDMENT IS TO REDUCE THE LANES FROM SIX TO FOUR AS WELL AS TO REDUCE THE RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH FROM 177 FEET TO 80 FEET AND WIDTH.
SO DOES THAT INCLUDE ADDING THE CURVES AS WELL OR IS THAT A, WILL THAT BE A SEPARATE THAT CURVE OR IS THAT, UM, AS FAR AS THE ALIGNMENT, YES, AT ITS TIME.
UM, SO THE ALIGNMENT, THE FOUR LANES AS WELL AS REDUCING RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH, LIKE THE ROAD ROUNDABOUTS AND EVERYTHING IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS.
UM, WOULD THAT BE INCLUDED IN THE, A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT'S EVER DEVELOPED OR IS THAT JUST WE'RE GONNA TRUST THAT IT'S BUILT THAT WAY? I'M SORRY.
CAN YOU REPEAT THAT ON THE ROUNDABOUTS? HOW DO WE SOLIDIFY THAT THEY WILL BE BUILT? WILL THAT BE DONE LATER IN A DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR IS THAT SOMETHING, UM, THAT SHOULD BE SOLIDIFIED A CERTAIN WAY OR HOW IS IT? IT'S A LITTLE, MY UNDERSTANDING IT'LL BE DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AS THEY'RE BUILDING IT OUT, IT PHASES WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER HERBERT? UH, YOU'RE MUTED, SIR.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, WE COULDN'T HEAR YOU SIR.
UM, IN THE CASE OF TWO FIVE DASH 1586 A, I MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE, UM, THE CASE AS IT WAS HEARD TODAY.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY COMMENTS? SEEING NONE OF THOSE? YES.
UM, THIS THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS, WAS REALLY WORRYING TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, I, I DO APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK OF KIARA, UM, IN THE TEAM ON ALIGNING WITH THE DEVELOPER WHO'S DEVELOPING A MASSIVE PROJECT IN THIS AREA.
UM, MAKING THAT DEVELOPMENT WORK FOR A THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT IS A LEGAL DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW, RIGHT? AMENDING THAT THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS NOT AN EASY THING.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT AND I APPRECIATE THAT IT MOVES THIS TRUCK TRAFFIC AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THERE'S OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO COME THAT IS GOING TO FURTHER RELIEVE THE NEIGHBORS OF TRUCK TRAFFIC.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK, UM, THE RESEARCH THAT HAS BEEN DONE AND LOOK FORWARD TO THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, HAPPENING.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER C NO.
KNOW THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, DID I MISS ANYTHING? I THINK THAT WAS OUR LAST AGENDA ITEM.
COMMISSIONERS, UH, CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOVE? THANK YOU.
UH, I WANT TO THANK STAFF AND COMMISSIONERS ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND, UH, COMMISSIONER SIMS, YOU SHOULD KNOW.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE YOU COME BACK.
SO YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT WE WE'RE NEVER, EVER, EVER HERE AFTER 3:00 PM
SO THANK, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, IT IS 2 59 AND OUR MEETING IS ADJOURN.