* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] HELLO? [Community Police Oversight Board on May 13, 2025.] HELLO. HELLO, HELLO. I THINK WE DO HAVE, UH, THE PEOPLE PRESENT THE QUORUM. ARE WE, UH, READY ONLINE? UH, FOR, FOR ONLINE TO BEGIN? READY. SO THE, CAN I HAVE A CONFIRMATION FROM THOSE ONLINE THAT WE'RE READY TO GO LIVE? I'M READY. ALL RIGHT. THUMBS UP. WE ARE READY TO BEGIN. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS, DIRECTOR, POLICE MONITOR, MICHELLE ANDRE AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. TODAY IS MAY THE 13TH, AND IT IS THE OFFICIAL TIME OF IT. TO BEGIN IS 5 36. 5 36. MY NAME IS JOHN MARK DAVIDSON, AND I HAVE THE HONOR OF SERVING AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD. THIS IS A REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY OF DALLAS COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD, AND I WILL CALL THE ROLE THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR HAVE NOMINATED AND APPROVED EACH OF US TO SERVE AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS. AS I CALL EACH DISTRICT, PLEASE INDICATE YOUR PRESENCE AND WE WILL NOW BEGIN THIS MEETING WITH A ROLL CALL OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS. DISTRICT ONE OZZIE SMITH. DISTRICT ONE, PRESENT. DISTRICT TWO. JONATHAN MAPLES. UH, DISTRICT TWO HERE. DISTRICT THREE. DISTRICT FOUR. DISTRICT FOUR. DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH. HERE. DISTRICT FIVE. DISTRICT FIVE. BRIAN BALL. DEAR DISTRICT SIX. DISTRICT SIX. DERRICK PEGRAM. HERE. DISTRICT SEVEN. DISTRICT EIGHT. DISTRICT EIGHT. JUDGE C VICTOR LANDER. HERE. DISTRICT NINE. DISTRICT NINE. ALLISON GRINDER ALLEN. DISTRICT 10. DISTRICT 10. JENNY KING HERE. DISTRICT 11. DISTRICT 11. ARLENE STEIN FIELD HERE. DISTRICT 12. DISTRICT 12 D WADSWORTH HERE. DISTRICT 13. DAVID KITLER, DISTRICT 13 PRESENT. DISTRICT 14. DISTRICT 14. BRANDON FRIEDMAN, PRESENT. AND I'M DISTRICT 15. UH, JOHN MARK DAVIDSON. PRESENT. WE HAVE CONFIRMED A QUORUM OF OUR MEMBERS, SO WE'RE READY TO PROCEED WITH THE MEETING. THE BOARD IS COMMITTED TO ENSURING EQUAL ACCESS TO ITS MEETINGS IS REQUESTED THAT INDIVIDUALS WHO REQUIRE THE SERVICES OF A TRANSLATOR CONTACT THE BOARD'S COORDINATOR AT O CPO@DALLAS.GOV. NO LATER THAN THE DAY PRECEDING THE MEETING. WHENEVER POSSIBLE, A TRANSLATOR WILL BE PROVIDED. SIGN LANGUAGE, INTERPRETERS, ASSISTED LISTENING DEVICES OR OTHER AUXILIARY AIDS AND OR SERVICES MAY BE PROVIDED UPON REQUEST TO ENSURE AVAILABILITY. YOU'RE ADVISED TO MAKE YOUR REQUEST AT LEAST 72 HOURS PRIOR TO THE MEETING YOU WISH TO ATTEND. SO THANK YOU. WE WELCOME EVERYONE ATTENDING THIS MEETING HERE IN PERSON, BUT ALSO ONLINE TO GIVE A, AN UPDATE OR, UM, AN OVERVIEW OF WHO WE ARE. THE MISSION OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD, FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD, IS TO ENHANCE THE PUBLIC'S TRUST THAT COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT AGAINST DALLAS POLICE, DEPARTMENTAL EMPLOYEES ARE CONDUCTED FAIRLY AND THOROUGHLY, ARE TRANSPARENT, AND ENSURE THE CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE MEANS TO THE COMPLAINT PROCESS. TO HELP ENSURE THIS ACCOUNTABILITY, THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, THE OCPO PROVIDES FUNCTIONAL SUPPORT AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE TO THE CPOV. SO WE ARE NOW AT THE POINT OF OUR MEETING WHERE WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT OF OUR MEETING AND IN LINE WITH THE RULES OF PROCEDURE, EACH SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOTTED THREE MINUTES. THOUGH AS A CHAIR, I DO RESERVE THE DISCRETION TO ADJUST THIS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS. AND IF YOU HAVE NOT YET SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, PLEASE SEE A MEMBER OF THE OCPO STAFF AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM OR HERE AT THE FRONT FOR A SPEAKER CARD. AND PLEASE NOTE THAT WE WILL ALSO HAVE ROOM FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE END OF THE MEETING. AND JUST A REMINDER, OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE PRODUCTIVE, RESPECTFUL, AND CONSTRUCTIVE DIALOGUE. TO ACHIEVE THIS, WE MUST ENGAGE WITH STRUCTURE AND MUTUAL RESPECT. SO PLEASE REMAIN RESPECTFUL AND REFRAIN FROM PROFANE PERSONAL THREATENING, DEROGATORY, DEMEANING [00:05:01] AND ABUSIVE STATEMENTS. AND I ASK THAT ALL PARTICIPANTS EXTEND COURTESY TO ONE ANOTHER AS WE WORK THROUGH IMPORTANT ISSUES. RESPECT AND KINDNESS ARE PARAMOUNT AS WE DISCUSS MATTERS THAT IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY. SO A PERSON ENGAGING IN CONDUCT THAT DISRUPTS THE MEETING IS SUBJECT TO BEING MUTED OR REMOVED FROM THIS MEETING. AND EVERY PUBLIC COMMENT MUST RELATE TO THE BOARD'S JURISDICTION, DOES NOT INCLUDE, UM, WHICH IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE RIGHT TO ENGAGE IN DIALOGUE. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND BEGIN, UH, RIGHT NOW. DO WE HAVE ANY PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK? SIERRA? ARE THERE ANYBODY THAT YOU KNOW OF, UH, THAT APPEAR? HMM. OH, HERE. IT'S ALRIGHT. GREAT. NICE. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO FIRST CALL TO THE MICROPHONE, MS. DOLORES PHILLIPS. MS. PHILLIPS, ARE YOU HERE TODAY? UH, DOLORES IS NOT HERE. UH, BUT IF YOU'RE LISTENING, DOLORES, WE'LL HAVE SOME TIME AT THE END, UH, FOR YOUR WORDS IF YOU'RE HERE. NEXT IS DIANA MUNOZ. DIANA MUNOZ. UH, PLEASE, UH, COME ON DOWN. WELCOME. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UH, IF YOU COULD JUST MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON, UH, RIGHT THERE. AND, UH, DO YOU SEE A TIMER BEFORE YOU? YES, I DO. SO YEAH, WHEN YOU BEGIN SPEAKING, THE TIMER WILL THANK YOU, SIR. WILL GO OFF. AND, UM, WE ASK THAT YOU BE RESPECTFUL OF THE TIME AND WHENEVER THE TIMER GOES OFF, YOU CAN FINISH YOUR SENTENCE OR YOUR THOUGHT. UM, BUT WE'RE SO HAPPY YOU'RE HERE. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU. I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE. UM, MY NAME IS DIANA MUNOZ. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THIS EVENING. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF DALLAS, TEXAS FOR MANY YEARS, AND A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT SEVEN FOR 17 YEARS. I'M A GUN SAFETY ADVOCATE AND, AND I AM HERE TO BRING AWARENESS ON THE EPIDEMIC OF GUN VIOLENCE WE HAVE HAD THROUGHOUT THE YEARS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. I HAVE ALSO BEEN VOLUNTEERING FOR EIGHT YEARS FOR A COUPLE OF ORGANIZATIONS IN DALLAS AREA AND HAVE HELPED OTHERS WITH THEIR CAMPAIGNS, INCLUDING MY DEAR FRIEND O'NEIL HESSEN, AND HIS WIFE SAYS HE, WHICH IS HERE TO MY LEFT. AND ALSO DR. BRIAN WILLIAMS, THE TRAUMA SURGEON AT PARKLAND, WHO CARED AND DID THE BEST HE COULD TO TRY AND SAVE FIVE OFFICERS THAT WERE AMBUSHED HERE IN DALLAS, TEXAS, AND IS A SURVIVOR OF GUN VIOLENCE HIMSELF. I HAVE ALSO BROUGHT AWARENESS TO THE PUBLIC NEIGHBORS AND SPOKEN TO MANY POLICE OFFICERS IN OUR COMMUNITIES, AND THE IMPORTANCE OF GUN OWNERSHIP AND THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITIES AND MY CONCERNS REGARDING GUN VIOLENCE IN OUR COMMUNITIES. I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF MYSELF FOR THE SAKE OF MY MURDERED DAUGHTER, MONG, MY FRIENDS AND OUR COMMUNITIES. I AM A THREE TIME GUN VIOLENCE SURVIVOR. MY SISTER COMMITTED SUICIDE IN 1989. I'M SORRY. I WAS ASSAULTED AT GUNPOINT WITH A GUN POINTED AT MY HEAD IN 2012. MY CASE WAS NEVER SOLVED AND FORGOTTEN, AND A PARENT'S WORST NIGHTMARE. MY DAUGHTER IKA WAS MURDERED ON NOVEMBER THE 27TH, 2014 EXECUTION STYLE WHILE CELEBRATING THANKSGIVING DAY WITH HER FATHER, AND LATER FOUND ON NOVEMBER THE 28TH, 2014, AT 2:16 PM AFTER I REPORTED HER MISSING BECAUSE HER FATHER REFUSED TO DO SO. WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF THIS WAS YOUR CHILD? ACCORDING TO THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, THIS CASE WAS REPORTED ON INSTAGRAM AS CRITICAL MISSING IN 2024, AND THEN DOCUMENTED ONCE AGAIN IN 2025. I ALSO PUSHED FOR ANSWERS AND ONLY RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM SARG SERGEANT HUNTER STAFF SAYING IT WAS UNDER REVIEW. BUT NOTHING EVER BECAME OF IT, EVEN AFTER 10 YEARS. ACCORDING TO OUR LAST CONVERSATIONS WITH DETECTIVE ERIC BARNES IN 2024, NO ONE HAD BEEN CHARGED WITH THIS HEINOUS CRIME COMMITTED AGAINST MY DAUGHTER, THE MARI MON. AND THE LAST TEXT I RECEIVED FROM DETECTIVE ERIC BARNES WAS ON DECEMBER THE SIXTH, 2024. HE STATED HE WOULD CALL ME AND HE NEVER DID. [00:10:01] THIS IS QUITTING. IT HAS BEEN 10 YEARS NOW SINCE MY DAUGHTER'S LIFE, WHICH BRUTALLY TAKEN BY GUN VIOLENCE AND HAS CAUSED ME MUCH HEARTACHE, INCLUDING PHYSICAL AND EMOTIONAL IMPAIRMENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. MY DAUGHTER'S HOMICIDE CASES, DOC DOCUMENTED UNDER CASE NUMBER 2 8 4 1 60 DASH 2014. THE RATE OF GUN HOMICIDES IN TEXAS INCREASED BY 60% IN 2024 TO 2023 COMPARED TO 57 INCREASE NATIONWIDE RESPECTIVELY. THIS MEANS IN 2023, ROUGHLY ABOUT 46,728 GUN DEATHS IN THE UNITED STATES. WE HAD MORE DEATHS IN 2023 AND 2014 INFECT AFFECTING OUR COMMUNITIES, MORE GUNS DO NOT MAKE US SAFER. IN 2020 THROUGH 58% OF ALL GUN RELATED DEATHS IN THE US WERE SUICIDE. MS. OZ, UH, DO YOU HAVE HOW MUCH MORE? BECAUSE, UH, YOUR TIME IS UP. I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU FINISH YOUR THOUGHTS. UH, TIME COMPLETE TIME IS COMPLETELY OKAY. THANK YOU. AND, UH, HAVE JUST A QUESTION. UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, NUMBER ONE. I THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND YOUR BRAVERY, UH, TO, TO SHARE YOUR STORY. HAVE YOU, UH, FILED AN OFFICIAL COMPLAINT WITH THE OFFICE OF CO COM? UH, COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, THE OCPO? NO. OKAY. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WOULD BE, UH, HELPFUL FOR US AS A BOARD. UH, IF WE WANT TO EXPLORE MORE YOUR SITUATION IN YOUR CASE, THAT'D BE A NEXT STEP FOR YOU. SO, UH, THERE'S EMPLOYEES THERE, BUT, UH, LET US KNOW IF, OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INVITE TO THE MICROPHONE, CC IN CARIO. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. UH, IF YOU COULD JUST MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE'S TURNED ON. HELLO. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. AND, UH, AS YOU CAN TELL, THERE'S A, A, A WATCH A CLOCK, A TIMER, AND WHEN YOU BEGIN, IT'LL GO DOWN AND WE JUST ASK TO BE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME. AND, UH, THE FLOOR IS YOURS AND THE TIMER WILL BEGIN WHEN YOU BEGIN. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU. UM, I'M CC UM, I LIVE IN DISTRICT SEVEN SOUTH DALLAS. I'M A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER, BUT I CAME HERE TODAY TO SUPPORT MISS DIANA TO BRING ATTENTION TO HER DAUGHTER ERICA'S CASE. UM, AS YOU HEARD, IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS AS A COLD CASE, AND SINCE WE'VE, UH, MET AND BEEN WORKING WITH MISS DIANA, IT REALLY, UM, HURTS MY HEART TO SEE THAT SHE'S BEEN HAVING TO GRIEVE WITH THIS AND HAVE, UH, QUESTIONS UNANSWERED FOR THIS LONG. UM, BUT EVEN IN RECENT MONTHS, UM, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, I'VE HAD GROWING CONCERNS ABOUT DPD PROCEDURES IN RESPONSE TO ACTIVE GUN VIOLENCE CRIMES. UM, EVEN WITH A RECENT SHOOTING THAT CLAIMED TWO LIVES, UM, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE FAMILIES HAD STILL NOT OBTAINED AN OFFICIAL POLICE REPORT, OR WERE NOT EVEN SURE WHO THE LEAD DETECTIVE WAS ON THE CASE FOUR DAYS AFTER THE MURDERS. THIS OF COURSE, DELAYED THE FUNERAL AND INSURANCE PROCEEDINGS ONLY FURTHER COMPLICATING THE WORST TIMES OF THESE FAMILIES' LIVES. UM, YET WHEN WE HELD A VIGIL TO HONOR THE FAMILIES TO GIVE, UH, THEM SPACE TO GRIEVE, AT LEAST EIGHT DPD OFFICERS SHOWED UP UNINVITED TO MONITOR THE VIGIL. UM, EVEN WHEN THE FAMILIES REPORTED NOT BEING ABLE TO GET THAT MUCH ENERGY FROM THE PEOPLE THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE, UH, INVESTIGATING THESE CRIMES, UM, EVEN MS. DIANA ALSO EXPERIENCED A LACK OF URGENCY, UM, IN THE AFTERMATH OF HER DAUGHTER'S MURDER, TO THE POINT WHERE 10 YEARS LATER, SHE'S HAD TO RESORT TO STAGING HUGE SIGNS IN HER FRONT YARD ASKING FOR ACCOUNTABILITY AND FOR ANSWERS ON THIS CASE. UM, SO RIGHT NOW, SO MANY MOTHERS AND FAMILY MEMBERS OF MURDERED PEOPLE ARE HOPELESS, UM, FEELING LIKE THEIR CASES WILL NEVER BE SOLVED. UM, AND WE OFTEN HEAR FROM DPD HOW HARD IT IS TO INVESTIGATE THESE CRIMES AND THAT THERE'S JUST SO MANY GUNS ON THE STREET. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE CITY OF DALLAS GAVE THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN SUBSIDIES TO HOLD THEIR NATIONAL CONVENTION HERE AT WHICH THEY SOLD THOUSANDS OF SEMI-AUTOMATIC WEAPONS SILENCERS, UM, AND OTHER TYPES OF MACHINES OF DEATH THAT WENT ALL INTO THE DALLAS COMMUNITY. UM, SO LATELY IT'S HAD US WONDERING LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO FIRST 48, LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO SPRINGING INTO ACTION WHEN CRIMES FIRST HAPPENED, AS TO NOT LET THE CASE GET COLD. SO WE'D LIKE TO CONNECT WITH DPD REPS TO EXPLORE HOW WE CAN COLLABORATE TO IMPROVE THE REPORTING OF GUN VIOLENCE CRIMES IN THE IMMEDIATE AFTERMATH. UM, AND ALSO HOW TO STAY ENGAGED WITH THE FAMILIES OF MURDERED PEOPLE, EVEN WHEN THE INVESTIGATION GETS KIND OF HARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH MS, FOR BEING HERE. NEXT, I'D LIKE TO CALL TO THE MICROPHONE O'NEIL HESSEN. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND, UH, WELCOME. AND, UH, JUST MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE'S TURNED ON. AND, UH, YOU [00:15:01] HAVE THREE MINUTES AND, UH, A A TIMER WILL BEGIN ONCE YOU BEGIN. UH, BUT THE FLOOR IS NOW YOURS. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. UH, UH, COUNSELOR, UH, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE, UH, YOU BEING HERE AND LETTING US SPEAK. YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF SPEAK ON, UH, A, UH, EXPERIENCE THAT I'VE HAD SPECIFICALLY, I LIVE IN SOUTH DALLAS MILL CITY IN PARTICULAR. UH, MY ORGANIZATION, WE ACTUALLY CAME TOGETHER TO BRING, UH, TO PUT THAT, PUT A VISUAL TOGETHER OFF OF ELSIE FAY, THOSE TWO FOLKS WHO GOT KILLED. UH, A COUPLE, UH, A COUPLE WEEKS BACK. UH, I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN SPEAKING WITH THE MOTHER, MS. TAMARA, OF ONE OF THE VICTIMS WHO, WHO UNFORTUNATELY WAS SHOT AND KILLED THERE. AND THEN THAT SAME WEEK, ANOTHER PERSON GOT SHOT AND KILLED OFF OF EL C FAY. AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OBVIOUSLY IS SOMETHING Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY HEARD BEFORE. I'M ASSUMING, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE, ALL THESE, UH, THE MURDERS THAT ARE HAPPENING SPECIFICALLY IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, SPECIFICALLY IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT WE NEED TO START FOCUSING, NOT NECESSARILY ON TRYING TO BRING MORE, MORE POLICE INTO THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALL BUT BRINGING MORE RESOURCES THAT GIVES, ALLOWS FOR FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO, TO, UH, POLICE AND OR AT LEAST TO, UH, PROTECT THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOODS. AS WE ALREADY KNOW, POLICE, UH, POLICE TIMES, THE, THE, THE, THE RESPONSE TIMES ARE UNACCEPTABLE. THEY'RE ABYSMAL, ESSENTIALLY. THERE'S TO, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WHENEVER I WALK AROUND MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND I SPEAK TO FOLKS, THEY DON'T EVEN, THEY DON'T EVEN, UH, DECIDE TO CALL THE POLICE WHENEVER SOMETHING HAPPENS. 'CAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY E EVEN WHEN THERE'S, THERE'S A, UH, A LIFE ON THE LINE OR THERE'S WEAPONS INVOLVED. AND SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT NEW OPTIONS, NEW COURSES, AND NEW DIRECTION OF HOW CAN OUR COMMUNITIES DEFEND OURSELVES WITHOUT THEIR HAVING TO RELY ON OUR POLICE. NOW, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, WHAT YOU DO IS, IS, UH, MAKING SURE OUR POLICE ARE, ARE ADEQUATELY REPRESENTING OUR COMMUNITIES. AND TO THEM, FOR THE MOST PART, THEY ARE. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A, THERE'S ANOTHER, UH, UH, UH, UM, ANOTHER EXPERIENCE WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAD W RIGHTCARE COME OUT. AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, W RIGHTCARE IS DOING AN EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT JOB. AND I WISH THAT WE CAN RES, WE CAN, UH, EXPAND THEIR RESOURCES. BECAUSE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THAT HAS BEEN THE ONLY TIME THAT I'VE SEEN A POSITIVE, UM, A POSITIVE RESPONSE FROM THIS DEPARTMENT. AND SO WE REALLY NEED TO START LOOKING AT DIFFERENT AVENUES OF POLICING, DIFFERENT AVENUES, BEING ABLE FOR US TO PROTECT OURSELVES, SPECIFICALLY RESOURCES FOR FOLKS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY SO THEY CAN TAKE CHARGE, THEY CAN TAKE THE, UH, TAKE THE LEAD AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR STREETS ARE SAFE. AND MAYBE TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT BURDEN OFF OF DPD UNTIL DPD CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THESE RESPONSE TIMES. BUT I'M JUST, I ONLY GOT 30 SECONDS LEFT, BUT I JUST WANNA PUT THIS ON YOUR HEAD THAT REMEMBER, ANOTHER PERSON'S GOING TO DIE THIS WEEK. MORE THAN LIKELY ANOTHER PERSON'S GOING TO GET SHOT AND KILLED IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING NOW, WE ARE GOING TO LOSE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I LOVE MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I KNOW Y'ALL LOVE Y'ALL'S TOO. PLEASE LOVE MY NEIGHBORHOOD. LIKE YOU WOULD LOVE YOURS. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. SON, FOR BEING HERE FOR THE, FOR THE MINUTES. I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, BOARD MEMBER THREE, PLACE THREE. CHAGA HIGGINS IS PRESENT AND DISTRICT SEVEN TIMOTHY JACKSON ARE NOW PRESENT AT THIS MEETING. UH, FOR THE MEETING MINUTES, I WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR ATTENDANCE. AT THIS TIME. WE ARE GOING TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. SO IF THE BOARD COULD TAKE SOME TIME RIGHT NOW AND LOOK OVER THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING. AND, UH, WHEN A BOARD MEMBER FEELS CALLED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THESE MINUTES, I'LL ACCEPT THAT MOTION AND THEN SECOND IT, AND THEN WE'LL VOTE AS A BOARD. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH. UH, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN. DAVID KITNER, DISTRICT 13. I SECOND AND WANT TO COMPLIMENT WHOEVER'S REPAIRED , PREPARING THESE ON THE DETAIL OF IT. IT IS REALLY, UH, AMAZING AND, UM, MUCH APPRECIATED. THANK YOU. YES, THERE'S BEEN A MOTION. IT'S BEEN SECONDED. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? SEEING THERE'S NO DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF LAST MONTH'S MEETINGS. MINUTES, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM FIVE ON OUR AGENDA. AND THIS IS OVERVIEW OF THE DPD TACTICAL PLANNING UNIT. AND THIS IS SOMETHING, UH, WELCOME YOU TO THE MICROPHONE, SIR. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT BOARD MEMBER FRIEDMAN HAS, UH, BEEN ENCOURAGING US AS A BOARD TO, UH, TO PUT ON OUR AGENDA. SO WE AS A BOARD CAN LEARN FROM THE DPD, WHAT THEIR POLICIES ARE, UH, IN RESPONSE TO PROTESTS. AND, UM, AND [00:20:01] SO WE WANT INVITED, UH, WE, WE, BY INTRODUCING YOURSELF, SIR, I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE YOUR NAME ON OUR AGENDA. YES, SIR. MY NAME'S JOSE GARCIA. I'M A MAJOR ASSIGNED TO THE, UH, TACTICAL AND SPECIAL OPS. THANK YOU. MAJOR GARCIA. UH, MAJOR GARCIA IS HERE, UH, TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF DPD. UH, AND SO WE'RE GONNA, UH, GIVE THE FLOOR MAJOR GARCIA AT THIS TIME. AND, UH, THERE WILL BE A TIME AT THE VERY END, I WANT HIM TO GO THROUGH HIS PRESENTATION, UH, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, COMMUNICATE THE CONTENT THAT HE HAS AT THE VERY END. THERE WILL BE SOME TIME FOR THE BOARD IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, TO ADDRESS MAJOR GARCIA. BUT AT THIS TIME, UH, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES MAJOR, MAJOR GARCIA FOR AN OVERVIEW OF DPD TACTICAL PLANNING UNIT. THANK YOU, SIR. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU AGAIN. TWO OF THE UNITS THAT I OVERSEE ARE TACTICAL PLANNING AND SPECIAL EVENTS. NEXT SLIDE. THESE TWO UNITS OVERSEE ALL THE PUBLIC SAFETY FOR THE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT COME THROUGH THE CITY OF DALLAS. THEY ALSO ARE IN CHARGE OF DEVELOPING, DEVELOPING OPERATION PLANS FOR THE MANY PROTESTS AND EVENTS THAT WE SEE OUT HERE. THAT INCLUDES THE, UM, STATE FAIR PARK, THE FAIR, OU TEXAS PARADES THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. NEXT SLIDE. POLICING AND MORE SPECIFICALLY PUBLIC ORDER OPERATION HAVE EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT CHANGES OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS HERE AT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE'RE PROUDLY LEADING THE WAY IN INNOVATING PUBLIC ORDER OPERATION PRACTICES. NEXT SLIDE. SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING, IMPLEMENTATION OF DUTY TO INTERVENE, EXPANDING TRAINING ON DEESCALATION TO INCLUDE DEESCALATING CROWDS, ADJUSTING AND CLARIFYING POLICY FOR LESS LETHAL PLATFORMS AND CROWD CONTROL ENVIRONMENTS. THE PURCHASE AND IMPLEMENTATION OF LONG RANGE ACOUSTIC DEVICES, THE L RODS TO BETTER COMMUNICATE WITH LARGE CROWDS. CHANGING POLICY TO SPECIFY THE NEED TO IDENTIFY EGRESS ROUTE ROUTE WHEN DISPERSING CROWDS. UPDATING THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT MOBILE FIELD FORCE TRAINING IN THE BASIC AND IN-SERVICE ACADEMY, CONDUCTING MONTHLY SPECIAL RESPONSE GROUP UNIT TRAINING AND ESTABLISHING A SEMI-ANNUAL JOINT TRAINING EXERCISE IN COOPERATION WITH DPS THAT HAVE GROWN TO INCLUDE OVER EIGHT NORTH TEXAS AGENCIES. NEXT SLIDE. DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL NOT INTERFERE WITH THE LAWFUL PEACEFUL ASSEMBLY OF PROTESTS BY INDIVIDUALS OR GROUP EXPRESSING THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. WE WILL TAKE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS AGAINST THOSE PERSONS OR GROUPS WHO ASSEMBLE FOR THE PURPOSE OF RIOT DISORDER OR INTERFERENCE WITH TRAFFIC AND PUBLIC SAFETY OR, UH, EXCUSE ME, WITH TRAFFIC ON INTERFERENCE WITH TRAFFIC ON PUBLIC STREETS OR OTHER IMMEDIATE THREATS TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY OR ORDER. ENSURING SAFETY FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS AND OFFICERS IS OUR PRIMARY CONCERN. NEXT SLIDE. DUTY TO INTERVENE. MEMBERS OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, BOTH SWORN AND NON-SWORN, HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC AND OTHER EMPLOYEES. IT SHALL BE THE DUTY OF EVERY EMPLOYEE PRESENT AT THE SCENE, WHETHER PHYSICAL FORCES BEING APPLIED TO STOP OR ATTEMPT TO STOP ANOTHER EMPLOYEE WHEN FORCE IS BEING INAPPROPRIATELY APPLIED WHERE IT'S NO LONGER REQUIRED. NEXT SLIDE. THE INCIDENT COMMANDER SHOULD BEGIN BY ENSURING LINES OF COMMUNICATION HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED BETWEEN CRIMINAL INTEL, THE SUPPORTING UNITS AND PROTESTOR AND PROTEST ORGANIZER PRIOR TO THE PRIOR AND DURING THE EVENT. THESE COMMUNICATIONS USUALLY HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED BY CRIMINAL INTEL BEFORE THE EVENT. TO ENSURE THE LOCATION IS SAFE FOR BOTH PARTIES AND UNINVOLVED INDIVIDUALS IN THE AREA IS A PRIMARY CONCERN FOR THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT. NEXT SLIDE. THE PREFERRED OUTCOME FOR ANY INTERACTION WITH PUBLIC IS TO DEESCALATE, HOSTILITIES AND RESTORE PEACE. NEXT SLIDE. WITH THE LESS LETHAL USE OF FORCE, IT MAY BE USED IN COMPLIANCE THROUGH GENERAL ORDERS 9 0 8. FIRING OR DEPLOYING A 40 MIL LESS LETHAL STINGER INTO A CROWD IS PROHIBITED. IF A CROWD CREATES AN IMMEDIATE DANGER, AN INJURY TO A PERSON OR DAMAGE TO PROPERTY, THE CHIEF OF POLICE, [00:25:01] THE CHIEF OF POLICE OR HIS DESIGNEE, MAY AUTHORIZE THE DEPLOYMENT OF A LESS LETHAL TOOL SUCH AS THE PEPPER BALL, OC SPRAY, TEAR GAS, OR OTHER CHEMICAL AGENTS. OFFICERS MAY UTILIZE THE FOUR, THE 40 MILLIMETER STINGRAY IN 1, 2, 1 SITUATIONS WHEN THEY'RE SURE OF THEIR TARGET AND BACKGROUND. NEXT SLIDE. WHEN IT COMES TO THE ARREST PROCEDURES, VERBAL WARNINGS, DEESCALATION EFFORTS TO SAFELY STABILIZE AND RESOLVE AN INCIDENT WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF FORCE NECESSARY IS ALWAYS THE GOAL. OFFICERS SHALL ALLOW THE DISPERSAL TO OCCUR IN A TIMELY MANNER, WHICH WILL BE DEPENDENT ON THE CRAFT SIDE. THE BODY-WORN CAMERA WILL BE USED TO RECORD VERBAL WARNINGS AND DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR. AN APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF COVER OFFICERS SHOULD ALWAYS BE PRESENT DURING THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF A VERBAL WARNING. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A VERBAL WARNING. AND THIS IS WHAT WE DO WHEN WE HAVE AN INCIDENT AND WE ASK A SUPERVISOR TO GO UP AND DO THIS VERBAL WARNING. AN EXAMPLE, AND I'LL PUSH IT OUT. I WOULD SAY, I AM MAJOR JOSE GARCIA OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT. YOU'RE IN VIOLATION OF OBSTRUCTING A HIGHWAY O OTHER PASSAGEWAY. IF YOU DO NOT IMMEDIATELY DISPERSE, YOU WILL BE ARRESTED AND PLACED IN JAIL. FURTHERMORE, YOU MAY BE SUBJECT TO ADDITIONAL FINES BECAUSE OF THIS ARREST, YOU'RE BEING INSTRUCTED TO COMPLY WITH THIS LAWFUL ORDER. SO WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO, WE GIVE OUT THIS WARNING AS I STATED, AND THEN WE'LL GIVE PLENTY OF TIME FOR THE INDIVIDUAL TO COMPLY. IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, WE'LL DO IT TWO MORE TIMES FOR A TOTAL OF THREE TIMES EACH TIME, MAKING SURE THAT WE GIVE ENOUGH TIME FOR THE INDIVIDUALS TO COMPLY. NEXT SLIDE. SO, IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT WE GATHER AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN. WE WILL ONLY USE CITY ISSUE, BODY-WORN CAMERAS TO BE ABLE TO RECORD THE VERBAL WARNING TO BE ABLE TO WE RECORD THE, UH, ACTIONS OF THE, UH, INDIVIDUAL AND WE COULD DOCUMENT ANY RESISTANCE IF IT TAKES PLACE. NEXT SLIDE. IN CONCLUSION, PUBLIC ORDER OPERATIONS ARE NECESSARY PART OF ANY MAJOR METROPOLITAN DEPARTMENT PUBLIC PERCEPTION AND THE ROLE IT PLAYS IN POLICE LEGITIMACY MUST BE CONSIDERED ENSURING THAT THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENT VISITOR AND OFFICERS AT THE FOR FOREFRONT OF TRAINING, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, HAS MADE CHANGES TO HOW IT CONDUCTS PUBLIC QUARTER OPERATIONS AND WILL CONTINUE TO EVOLVE AS NEED CHANGES. THE DEPARTMENT WILL REMAIN PROACTIVE IN DEVELOPING CONCEPTS AND STRATEGIES TO GUIDE OUR LEADERS AND OFFICERS AS THEY CONFRONT THE CHALLENGES OF TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT AND PROTECT THE CITY OF DALLAS. SO THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAJOR GARCIA FOR BEING HERE FOR THAT PRESENTATION. AND I'D LIKE TO NOW, UH, ALLOW THE BOARD TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY MAY HAVE ON THE PRESENTATION ON, UH, DPDS, UH, RE RESPONSE. UM, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, MR. GARCIA. UH, AND, UH, EN LET'S, AT AN INTEREST OF TIME, UH, LET'S LIMIT OUR FIRST ROUND OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THREE MINUTES IF YOU HAVE ANY. UH, AND JUST MAKE SURE WE HAVE TIME. DO ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, MS. KING, UH, MAJOR GARCIA. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO I JUST AM CURIOUS, UM, I, I PROBABLY KNOW THAT YOU HAVE, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A PROTEST, DO YOU HAVE TO FILE FOR A PERMIT? IS THAT RIGHT? UNLESS IT'S FIRST AMENDMENT. UNLESS IT'S THE FIRST AMENDMENT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU, YOU GUYS, IF SOMEONE DOES APPLY FOR A PROTEST OR YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE A LARGE GATHERING OR A SPECIAL EVENT, YOU HAVE A SECURITY PLAN THAT YOU GO OVER WITH THEM AND SO THEY'RE KIND OF AWARE OF Y'ALL'S RESPONSE PROCEDURES? CORRECT. OKAY. I'M JUST, I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THAT IS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AVAILABLE ON THE, UM, DPD WEBSITE. SO WE DON'T GET INTO THE SPECIFIC TACTICS ON HOW WE PREPARE FOR THE OPERATION. SURE. BUT WE DO MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, CRIMINAL INTEL COMMUNICATES DIRECTLY TO THE ORGANIZER OF THE PROTEST. AND AT THAT POINT THEY GIVE US A PRETTY GOOD IDEA, WHAT IS IT THAT THEY WANT TO DO. AND AT THAT, AND FROM THERE, WE GENERATE THE OPERATION PLAN AND USE THE DIFFERENT UNITS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE OKAY. TO ASSIST THEM WITH THE, UH, WITH THE PROTEST. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD TO MAJOR GARCIA REGARDING DPD TACTICAL PLANNING UNIT, UH, MAJOR GARCIA? [00:30:01] YES, SIR. UH, THANKS FOR COMING AND DOING THIS. UM, UH, AS A, YOU KNOW, JUST A FEW YEARS AGO THERE WAS AN INCIDENT ON THE BRIDGE WHERE, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, PEPPER SPRAY ROUNDS, UM, AS WELL AS, WE DON'T QUITE KNOW WHAT IT WAS, THAT WAS INJURING PEOPLE OUT THERE. BUT DURING THE GEORGE FLOYD PROTEST, WHICH BY THE WAY BOARD, UM, THE ANNIVERSARY OF GEORGE FLOYD IS COMING UP, UM, THIS, THIS MONTH. AND, UM, UH, I WOULD INVITE YOU GUYS TO COME OUT TO SOME OF THE EVENTS, UM, IF YOU HAVE TIME. BUT, UM, HOW MUCH OF THIS POLICY IS INFORMED BY, UH, WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT BRIDGE IN, IN 2020 IN THE, AND THE, AND THE PROTEST AROUND, UM, THE BRIDGE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS CITY SAW OVER A HUNDRED DAYS OF PEOPLE ON THE GROUND PROTESTING DURING THAT TIME. UM, AND A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, MY COLLEAGUES, COMRADES AND FRIENDS, UM, THAT ACTUALLY THEIR CASES NEVER REALLY GOT TO SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD BECAUSE IT WAS BLOCKED, UM, BY THE CITY, UM, TO, FOR THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT TO BE ABLE TO INVESTIGATE, UM, UH, AND THOSE COMPLAINTS. SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU SAID IT'S MAKING CHANGES. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN SPEAK TO, UM, YOU KNOW, PUBLICLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH OF THAT INCIDENT IN THAT TIME PERIOD, UM, IS REFLECTED IN THE CHANGES YOU, Y'ALL YOU'VE MADE IN THE POLICIES? GOOD QUESTION, AND THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. MM. JUNE 1ST, 2020 674, OFFICER, UH, EXCUSE ME, CITIZENS WERE DETAINED ON THE MARGARET HUNT BRIDGE, AS YOU STATED. AND THAT HAS CREATED A LOT OF THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED TO DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT TO SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT 'EM. AS I MENTIONED, THE, UH, THE POLICY OF THE USE OF THE LESS LETHAL, THE 40 MIL, UH, THAT HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY IN THE SENSE THAT YOU ARE NOT TO USE IT IN SHOOTING IT INTO A CROWD, NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, YOU WILL HOLD THE INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNTABLE. IT'S A ONE-TO-ONE SITUATION. YOU GOTTA BE SURE OF THE IN OF WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO SHOOT AND THE BACKGROUND. THE OTHER THING, THE EGRESS ROUTES, IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A PLAN AND TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO DISPERSE. SO THAT WAS A, AN INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED. I WAS NOT OUT THERE, I WAS NOT PART OF THE COMMAND STAFF AT THE TIME. I WAS NOT PART OF THE OPERATION. BUT THAT HAS BROUGHT A LOT OF CHANGES TO OUR DEPARTMENT, SPECIFICALLY ON THE TRAINING SIDE. SO, YES, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? MAJOR GARCIA? YOU INDICATED THAT YOUR GENERAL ORDER 9 0 1 0.02 IS A DUTY TO INTERVENE. POLICE OFFICERS HAVE A DUTY IF THEY SEE OTHER OFFICERS DOING THINGS THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BE DOING. IS THERE ANY SPECIFIC, UH, PUNISHMENT OR, UH, LIABILITY TO THOSE OFFICERS IF IN FACT THEY DO NOT DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO PREVENT OTHER OFFICERS FROM BEING STUPID? YEAH, SO THIS IS SWORN AND NON-SWORN. THIS IS THE POLICY THAT WE HAVE FOR THE DEPARTMENT. NOW, THIS HAS BEEN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND HAS BEEN PUSHED INTO THE CORE OF TRAINING, BEGINNING WITH THE BASIC ACADEMY. SO EVERY RECRUIT GOES THROUGH THIS TYPE OF TRAINING. WE HAVE CREATED REALITY BASED TRAINING SCENARIOS IN WHICH WE EXPLAIN, WE DEMONSTRATE AND WE CREATE SCENARIOS FOR OFFICERS AND RECRUITS TO IDENTIFY THE SITUATION AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, REACT. SO AGAIN, THAT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN THE BASIC ACADEMY, ALSO IN THE INSERVICE ACADEMY FOR INDIVIDUAL OFFICERS TO GO BACK TO TRAINING AND RECEIVE SOME OF THIS TRAINING. NOW, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL SITUATION, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IT IS. AND ABSOLUTELY THE, WE ARE REQUIRED TO USE OUR BODY-WORN CAMERA. SO EVERYTHING IS, IS, UH, RECORDED AND DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION WILL BE THE, THE, UH, DISCIPLINE TO INCLUDE POSSIBLE, UM, CHARGES OF IM MERITS. TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU CAN ANSWER, UH, HAVE YOU HAD ANY INCIDENTS OF POLICE OFFICERS WHO DID NOT, UH, INTERVENE WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE SINCE YOU'VE CREATED THIS POLICY? SO I PERSONALLY HAVE, AM NOT AWARE. I PERSONALLY AM NOT AWARE, BUT [00:35:01] I CAN TELL YOU, I CAN ATTEST TO THE TRAINING BECAUSE BEFORE I WAS ASSIGNED TO THIS SPECIFIC, UM, ASSIGNMENT, I WAS PART OF THE, UH, TRAINING DIVISION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENCE AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION. UH, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. ABSOLUTELY. MR. FRIEDMAN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. UH, MR. GARCIA, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UM, I, I PUSHED PRETTY HARD TO, TO GET THIS ON THE AGENDA, AND, UM, I'M VERY PLEASED WITH THE RESULTS HERE. UM, I CAN SEE IN THE PRESENTATION JUST ABOUT ALL THESE POINTS. I CAN THINK OF A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE MM-HMM . OF WHAT THEY WERE PROBABLY CREATED IN RESPONSE TO IN 2020. YES. UM, EVERYTHING FROM THE DUTY TO INTERVENE TO THE, THE DEESCALATION, THE EGRESS ROUTES, THE LESS THAN LETHAL ROUNDS. I REMEMBER SPECIFIC EXAMPLES IN 2020 WHERE THAT STUFF HAPPENED. AND SO I'M, I'M, UH, I'M, I'M VERY PLEASED TO SEE THIS, UM, THIS ADDRESSES A LOT OF THE MAJOR ISSUES THAT OCCURRED DURING THAT PERIOD MM-HMM . UM, AND I'M, I'M VERY SATISFIED WITH THIS, SO I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU THAT, AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR IT. ABSOLUTELY. MR. LER, MAJOR GARCIA, THANK YOU FOR COMING. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DOCUMENTATION AND SURVEILLANCE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PROTESTING AND TO WHAT EXTENT THE DEPARTMENT DOES DOCUMENT AND SURVEIL PROTESTORS, AND TO WHAT EXTENT FACIAL RECOGNITION IS USED IN THAT. SO TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO, WE SET UP A COMMAND POST, AND IT'S USUALLY IN A PART OF HEADQUARTERS IN WHICH WE HAVE ACCESS TO DIFFERENT CAMERAS THAT THE CITY HAS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WE ALSO BRING IN, UM, DRONES TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY AREAS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS THROUGH CITY CAMERAS. SO IN REGARDS TO KEEPING A VISUAL ON WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING SO WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS IN THE COMMAND POST. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, UM, HELP THE, UH, THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE OUT THERE. 'CAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE SEEN LARGE GROUPS NOW PROTESTING AND THEY TAKE THE STREETS. SO WE ARE ACTIVELY TRYING TO REDIRECT TRAFFIC AND KEEP SAFETY TO EVERYBODY INVOLVED AND PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT INVOLVED. SO THAT'S THE EXTINCT THAT WE USE CAMERAS AS FAR AS FACE RECOGNITION, NOTHING THAT I, THAT I KNOW ABOUT OR I HAVE SEEN, MA'AM. OKAY. UM, AND THE CAMERA FOOTAGE THAT YOU, THAT YOU TAKE, DO YOU SAVE IT OR IS IT LIVE ONLY? IT IS NOT SAVED. OKAY. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IT IS NOT SAVED. AND I MEAN, I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF ACTIONS DOWNTOWN, RECENTLY, UM, AND IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, AND I'VE SEEN DPD OUT BLOCKING TRAFFIC AND REALLY WORKING TO HELP PEOPLE STAY SAFE. AND, AND WE APPRECIATE IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THESE TIMES PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE KIND OF, UM, IDENTIFICATION AND, AND LIKE THE CHILLING OF THE FREE SPEECH ENVIRONMENT, YOU KNOW. UM, AND SO I, I GUESS IF NOT FACIAL RECOGNITION AND VIDEO, ARE THERE ANY OTHER METHODS USED TO IDENTIFY THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE VOICING DISCONTENT AND, AND LOG THAT SOMEWHERE? SO OUR PORTION IS TO JUST ENSURE SAFETY. THAT'S WHAT WE STRIVE VERY HARD TO DO. AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE RELY ON THAT SPECIFIC GROUP TRAFFIC. TRAFFIC HELPS US A TON. AND WHAT WE TRY AND DO WITHOUT GETTING INTO MANY OF THE DETAILS, WE TRY AND CREATE A BUBBLE AROUND THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE OUT THERE PROTESTING. SO WE, AND, AND THE EFFORT IS THE, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO AGAIN, IS TO CREATE A BUBBLE. SO FOR THEIR SAFETY. THAT'S, THAT'S THE EXTENT OF OUR OPERATION. NOW, DO WE HAVE OTHER UNITS CAPABLE OF DOING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS? YES, THAT'S PART OF AN OPERATION. WE TRY AND HAVE AN EXTENT, A VERY COMPREHENSIVE OPERATION PLAN TO BE ABLE TO BE PREPARED AND HA AND HAVE, UH, ELEMENTS OUT THERE READY TO ADDRESS DIFFERENT SITUATIONS. BUT FOR THE MOST PART IS JUST TRYING TO KEEP OUR PROTESTORS, OUR INDIVIDUALS OUT THERE SAFE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES, BUT I FEEL LIKE AT THE END YOU KIND OF LEFT A, A BIG QUESTION MARK WITH OTHER UNITS TRYING TO DO OTHER THINGS IF NECESSARY. QUESTION MARK, QUESTION MARK. OH, I'LL GIVE YOU, I'LL GIVE YOU EXAMPLES OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I'VE MOUNTED, WE [00:40:01] CAN HAVE MOUNTED OUT THERE, WE CAN HAVE OUR SPECIAL RESPONSE GROUP OUT THERE. THEY'RE A VOLUNTEER GROUP THAT SPECIALIZES IN CROWD CONTROL. SO WE HAVE THESE UNITS AVAILABLE THAT'S PART OF OUR OPERATIONS MOST OF THE TIME. BUT ARE THEY REQUIRED? NO, WE'RE JUST PREPARED. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO. WE, WE PREPARED FOR, FOR ANYTHING THAT COULD HAPPEN. AND I FEEL LIKE THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WHO HAVE ASKED QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN, UM, FOCUSED IN A LOT ON THAT SORT OF A, A STREET LEVEL RESPONSE. MY QUESTION IS, I GUESS, MORE, UH, MORE FOCUSED ON THE INTELLIGENCE PORTION AND THE FUSION CENTER AND HOW THAT FITS INTO IT. GOTCHA. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME FOR MAJOR GARCIA? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, MR. MAPLES? UM, JONATHAN MAPLES, THANK YOU FOR COMING. UM, I, I WANNA REVISIT 9 0 1, UH, DASH ZERO TWO. UM, THE DUTY TO INTERVENE MM-HMM . THAT, THAT GENERAL, THAT GENERAL ORDER, BECAUSE IT'S A, IT IS A TALL TASK. IT'S A TALL TASK AS THE BROTHERS IN BLUE TO ULTIMATELY REPORT ANOTHER BROTHER. UM, THE TRAINING, HOW MUCH, IS IT CLASSROOM VERSUS SIMULATION, OR IS THERE ANY SIMULATION DEVISED AROUND GETTING THIS POINT HOME? SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE NORM. THERE IS NOTHING THAT, UH, NOWADAYS IS OUT OF THE NORM. MEANING WE HAVE CREATED A MINDSET THAT IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY, OUR OBLIGATION, WE'RE PROFESSIONALS, WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY, WE ARE, WE PROVIDE THE BEST TYPE OF TRAINING THAT A POLICE OFFICER CAN GET. AND PART OF THIS TRAINING IS BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE WHEN SOMEBODY, FOR WHATEVER REASON, HAS TAKEN A, UH, A, UH, A, A STEP IN WHICH THEY SHOULDN'T. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MEANING, IF AN INCIDENT HAPPENS AND WE HAVE TO REACT TO THE INCIDENT, THERE COMES A TIME WHERE WE HAVE CONTROL THE SITUATION AND PEOPLE HAVE TO QUICKLY RECOGNIZE THAT THE, THE, UH, SITUATION HAS BEEN CONTROLLED. SO AS OFFICERS ARE ARRIVING, EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE THAT THE SITUATION HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN CONTROLLED, AND WE HAVE TO ENSURE THAT EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE AND ON THE SCENE SUCH AS THAT THE, THE SERGEANT WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF THAT. IF THERE'S A SERGEANT THERE, OR EVERY INDIVIDUAL OFFICER, EVERY INDIVIDUAL OFFICER, EVERY INDIVIDUAL OFFICER, SWO SWORN IN, NON-SWORN, HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY AND OBLIGATION TO RESPOND AND INTERFERE. IS THAT THE QUESTION? YEAH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YES, MR. SMITH? YES. UH, MAJOR GARCIA, THANK YOU AGAIN AS THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, UM, I DO APPRECIATE THIS REPORT, AND AS MANY OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE SAID, I THINK IT'S IN RESPONSE TO WHAT WE WITNESSED IN DALLAS, UH, A FEW YEARS BACK. UM, JUST KIND OF THINKING FORWARD AND TRYING, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UH, SITUATIONS THAT MAY OCCUR IN CURRENT CLIMATES. UH, MY QUESTION IS, TYPICALLY THE LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS AUTHORITY FOR PROTEST. WHAT'S THE INTERACTION OR PROTOCOL THAT ARISE IF FEDERAL AGENTS ARE ALSO, UH, PRESENT? SO WHEN WE DO OUR OPERATIONS, IT'S FOR THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND WE'RE, WE HAVE THE RESOURCES IN PLACE AND THE UNITS TO ADDRESS THE SITUATIONS ONLY WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT AS OF RIGHT NOW. IF THAT HAPPENS AND WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE OTHER, OTHER, UM, DEPARTMENTS ARE NEEDED, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT WHAT THE OPERATION PLAN IS, WHO HAS CONTROL OF THE OPERATION, AND WHERE THE COMMUNICATION BRIDGES ARE GONNA COME FROM. ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP. SO WITH THAT, IF, FOR EXAMPLE, IF FEDERAL AGENTS WERE INVOLVED IN A SUPPORT ROLE, WOULD THEY BE APPRISED OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT PROCEDURES IN A PROTEST SITUATION? YES, SIR. AND WOULD THEY HAVE TO HONOR THAT OR HOW, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW WOULD THAT WORK? SO THE, THE, UH, THE COMMANDS [00:45:01] AND THE, UH, DIRECTION COMES FROM THE, FROM THE, UH, CP FROM THE AREA OF CONTROL. THEY PUSH THE COMMANDS OUT TO THE FIELD. SO IF THEY ARE IN A SUPPORT ROLE, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THEY WOULD FOLLOW THE COMMANDS THAT ARE BEING, THEY'RE BEING DIRECTED FROM THE, UH, CP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? CAN I HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP? SURE. MR. RICHER, ALLEN MAJOR GARCIA, I JUST, I, I WANNA MAKE A QUESTION THAT'S QUITE PLAIN WITH YOU. UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE VERY NERVOUS, PROBABLY NOT BECAUSE OF INVOLVEMENT FROM DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT IN PROTEST ACTIVITIES, BUT, BUT WITH FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PRESSURE, BE IT FROM IMMIGRATION OR OTHER FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT MIGHT LOOK A SCAN AT PROTEST ACTIVITY. AND I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW IS REALLY NERVOUS ABOUT TO WHAT EXTENT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO ARE THERE BLOCKING TRAFFIC AND HELPING TO KEEP PROTESTERS SAFE, ARE ALSO COLLABORATING WITH FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT WHO WOULD TRY TO USE A PROTEST ACTIVITY TO DOCUMENT, UH, SPEECH THAT'S UNPOPULAR OR TO, TO FIND OR DETAIN IMMIGRANTS. AND I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA KNOW FROM YOU IS TO WHAT EXTENT IS DPD SAVING OR COLLABORATING WITH FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, THAT KIND OF INFORMATION? OKAY. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE DO NOT, AND AGAIN, THAT IS NOT PART OF THE, UH, THE, THE, UH, DIVISION THAT I AM ASSIGNED TO. WE DO NOT COLLECT ANY INFORMATION. OUR JOB IS TO JUST ENSURE THAT WE PROVIDE SAFETY FOR THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS OR FOR THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE PROTEST. AND IF I WANTED TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, WHO SHOULD I ASK? I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION THAT, THAT, UH, SHOULD GO TO THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO COMMUNICATING, COLLABORATING WITH THE, UH, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IS THAT A DEPARTMENT? AND I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE CRIMINAL INTEL. OKAY. CRIMINAL INTEL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD TO MAJOR GARCIA SENIOR THAT IT'S DONE? I WANNA THANK YOU MAJOR GARCIA FOR BEING HERE. UH, WE APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION, YOUR PRESENCE HERE AT THIS MEETING AND THE ANSWERS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MM-HMM . FOR YOUR TIME. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM SIX, WHICH IS A DISCUSSION ON THE ROLE OF DPD IN IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT. UH, AND I WAS SPEAKING WITH THE CHAIR JUST A FEW MOMENTS AGO, AND IF THE BOARD HAS NO OBJECTIONS, WE WERE THINKING THAT THERE MIGHT BE A LOGICAL ORDER THAT WOULD HELP, UH, SET US UP FOR THIS CONVERSATION. UH, FIRST WOULD BE TO TALK ABOUT SENATE BILL EIGHT, AND THEN HEARING FROM A CLU TENNIS, UH, TEXAS ATTORNEY DAVID DONI. AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT PRESENTATION, WE WOULD GET TO AGENDA ITEM SIX, DISCUSSION ON THE ROLE OF DPD IN IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT. SO, UH, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS FROM THE BOARD, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, MAKE THOSE CHANGES TO THE AGENDA. AND I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO THE STAND, UH, TO THE, TO THE MICROPHONE, UH, THE POLICY ANALYST SIERRA BASUI, AND SHE WILL BE ADDRESSING AGENDA ITEM NINE A CHAIR. AYE. DOES THERE HAVE TO BE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CHANGES OR IS IT JUST AN INFORMAL MOTION? UH, NO MOTION IS NEEDED. OKAY. ONLY IF THERE'S AN OBJECTION. ALRIGHT. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. SO CHAIR RECOGNIZES, UH, SIERRA BASUI UNDER AGENDA ITEM NINE A ONE SENATE BILL, SENATE BILL EIGHT. THEN WE'LL MOVE TO THE A CLU TEXAS ATTORNEY DAVID DONI, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO AGENDA ITEM SIX. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. SIERRA. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AGAIN, MY NAME IS SIERRA OBASI. I'M THE POLICY ANALYST FOR THE OFFICE. IF YOU COULD TURN TO TAB FIVE IN YOUR BINDERS WHERE THE PRESENTATION STARTS. THE SENATE BILL EIGHT BRIEFING WILL BE FOLLOWED BY PRESENTATION AS THE CHAIRMAN STATED BY THE A CLU TEXAS ATTORNEY DAVID DONATI. HE WILL PROVIDE INSIGHT INTO THE EXPECTED IMPACTS OF IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT ON COMMUNITIES IN LARGER COUNTIES SUCH AS DALLAS IF SENATE BILL EIGHT IS ENACTED. THIS MEMO PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF SENATE BILL EIGHT, WHICH WILL REQUIRE, REQUIRE SHERIFFS AND COUNTIES WITH POPULATIONS OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND OR MORE TO ENTER INTO WRITTEN AGREEMENTS WITH US IMMIGRATION [00:50:01] AND CUSTOM ENFORCEMENT. UNDER SECTION 28 7 G OF THE IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY ACT, A SECTION 28 7 G AGREEMENT AUTHORIZES THE US DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY TO ENTER INTO WRITTEN AGREEMENTS WITH STATE AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, PERMITTING DESIGNATED OFFICERS TO PERFORM LIMITED IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT FUNCTIONS. UNDER THESE AGREEMENTS, LOCAL OFFICERS MAY RECEIVE TRAINING FROM ICE AND GAIN AUTHORITY TO INTERVIEW INDIVIDUALS TO DETERMINE IMMIGRATION STATUS, ACCESS FEDERAL IMMIGRATION DATABASES, AND DETAIN INDIVIDUALS FOR IMMIGRATION VIOLATIONS. A FEW KEY PROVISIONS FOR SP EIGHT ARE MANDATING THAT SHERIFFS AND COUNTIES WITH OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND RESIDENTS REQUEST AND IF OFFERED, ENTER INTO A 28 7 G AGREEMENT WITH ICE AUTHORIZING DEPUTIES TO CARRY OUT LIMITED IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT UNDER FEDERAL OVERSIGHT. IF DENIED, SHERIFFS MUST REAPPLY ANNUALLY, COUNTIES UNDER 100,000 MAY OPT IN VOLUNTARILY, SHERIFFS MUST ALLOCATE SUFFICIENT STAFF EQUIPMENT AND FUNDING TO FULLY IMPLEMENT THE 28 7 G AGREEMENT. THIS FUNDING IS LIMITED TO COUNTIES WITH FEWER THAN 1 MILLION RESIDENTS LIKE DALLAS COUNTY. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS AUTHORIZED TO ENFORCE COMPLIANCE THROUGH LEGAL ACTION, AND COUNTIES ARE PROHIBITED FROM REDUCING A SHERIFF'S BUDGET DUE TO GRANT PARTICIPATION. PARTICIPATING SHERIFFS MUST SUBMIT ANNUAL REPORTS DETAILING 28 7 G RELATED EXPENDITURES TO THE TEXAS COMPTROLLER AND ATTORNEY GENERAL SHERIFFS IN LARGE COUNTIES WITHOUT AGREEMENTS MUST ANNUALLY DOCUMENT THE REQUEST TO PARTICIPATE. THE COMMISSION ON JAIL STANDARDS WILL COLLECT STATEWIDE DATA ON IMMIGRATION DETAINERS AND THE COMPTROLLER AND THE, AN ATTORNEY GENERAL WILL ISSUE AN ANNUAL REPORT SUMMARIZING PARTICIPATION, FUNDING AND ENFORCEMENT. THE POTENTIAL IMPLICATIONS FOR DALLAS, IF ENACTED SB EIGHT, WOULD REQUIRE DALLAS COUNTY TO PARTICIPATE IN A FEDERAL IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT AGREEMENT. EVIDENCE FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS SHOWS THAT SUCH AGREEMENTS OFTEN LEAD TO DECREASED CRIME REPORTING, STRAIN COMMUNITIES RELATIONS AND CONCERNS OVER POTENTIAL CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS. SB EIGHT EXCLUDES COUNTIES WITH POPULATION OVER 1 MILLION, SUCH AS DALLAS FROM RECEIVING STATE GRANTS TO SUPPORT 2 87, THE 2 87 G AGREEMENT IMPLEMENTATION. THIS CREATES AN UNFUNDED MANDATE THAT MAY PLACE FISCAL PRESSURE ON LOCAL RESOURCES WITHOUT ADEQUATE SUPPORT. WHILE THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT IS NOT SUBJECT TO THIS MANDATE, IMPLEMENTING THE 28 7 G AGREEMENT IN DALLAS COUNTY COULD AFFECT PUBLIC PERCEPTION OF ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT. I DO WANNA ADD JUST A QUICK UPDATE BEFORE WE GET TO THE PRESENTATION. AS OF MAY 12TH, 2025, TEXAS SENATE BILL EIGHT IS AWAITING PLACEMENT ON THE GENERAL STATE CALENDAR. FOR CONSIDERATION FOR FULL HOUSE DEBATE, THE TEXAS SENATE PASSED SENATE BILL EIGHT ON APRIL 1ST, 2025, THE BILL WAS REVIEWED BY THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS SUBCOMMITTEE ON COUNTY AND REGIONAL GOVERNMENT, AND REPORTED OUT OF COMMITTEE ON MAY 5TH, 2025 WITH A VOTE OF SIX YAYS AND FOR NAYS. AND NOW I WILL TURN IT OVER FOR MR. DONDI FOR THE ACCOMPANIED PRESENTATION. MR. MONEY, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, UH, HERE, UM, AT OUR MEETING. WE APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENCE AND YOUR EXPERTISE, UH, AND SO WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU. AND THEN, UH, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, UH, THERE'LL BE A TIME FOR THE BOARD TO ASK YOU ANY QUESTIONS OF CLARIFICATION, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU. SO WE'D LET YOU, UH, TALK THROUGH YOUR, YOUR ENTIRE PRESENTATION AT THE END. THERE'LL BE A TIME, UH, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU FOR THE BOARD TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, UH, TONIGHT. I'LL TRY AND GO QUICKLY THROUGH THE PRESENTATION SO THAT WE CAN LEAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME FOR QUESTION AND ANSWER. HERE IS A SLIDESHOW PRESENTATION THAT I MADE WITH THE HELP OF YOU COLLEAGUES. IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SIERRA DID A GREAT JOB, I THINK, OF SUMMARIZING THE CONTEXT. BUT JUST TO GO OVER IT ONCE AGAIN, WHAT IS 2 87 G OF THE IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY ACT? IT ALLOWS FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S, IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT OFFICES TO ENTER INTO AGREEMENTS WITH STATE AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAW. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THIS IS PERMITTED. UH, SO ONE OF THEM IS CALLED THE JAIL ENFORCEMENT MODEL. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THAT THE JAIL WILL REPORT WHO'S IN ITS CUSTODY TO IMMIGRATION, ASK ABOUT IMMIGRATION DETAINERS OFTENTIMES HONOR THOSE IMMIGRATION DETAINERS. SO USING JAILS AS A NEXUS POINT [00:55:01] FOR IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT AND POTENTIAL REMOVAL ORATION. THERE'S ALSO THE WARRANT SERVICE OFFICER, UH, STYLE OF 2 87 G. THAT JUST MEANS THAT SELECTED OFFICERS IN A POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE GOING TO BE TRAINED BY IMMIGRATION TO SERVE IMMIGRATION WARRANTS. THESE ARE NOT JUDICIAL WARRANTS. THEY ARE ISSUED BY IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT. UH, BUT THEY, THEY CAN BE ARREST WARRANTS, FOR EXAMPLE. AND THEY HAVE A SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT FUNCTION THAN THE, THE WARRANTS YOU NEED TO OVERCOME THE FOURTH AMENDMENT. BUT, UH, THEY NONETHELESS HAVE FINDING FORCE. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE TASK FORCE MODEL, WHICH IS THE MOST INTEGRATED FORM OF 2 87 G AGREEMENTS. THESE ARE YOUR OFFICERS ARE ACTUALLY GOING ON PATROL. THEY ARE TRAINED, UH, BY IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT TO IDENTIFY AND, UH, STOP QUESTION ARREST IN RELATION TO SUSPECTED VIOLATIONS OF THE COUNTRY'S IMMIGRATION LAWS. SO THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT MODELS. ALL OF THEM REQUIRE THAT ICE, UH, HAVE DIRECTIONAL CONTROL. SO THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE ULTIMATELY IN CHARGE. THEY'RE SUPERVISING YOUR OFFICERS TO THE EXTENT THEY'RE PRESENTATING IN A 2 87 G AGREEMENT. UH, THE SELECTED OFFICERS HAVE TO BE NOMINATED BY THE, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY AND TRAINED AND, UH, THE AGENCY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DETERMINE THE SCOPE OF THE 2 87 G AGREEMENT. AS SIERRA BRIEFLY MENTIONED, AND I'LL GET INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, IMMIGRATION COVERS TRAINING COSTS AND THEN ITS OWN DATABASES. BUT EVERYTHING ELSE, THE FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITY. SO THAT INCLUDES SALARY OVERTIME FOR YOUR, UH, OFFICER'S EQUIPMENT THAT THEY USE AS WELL AS LIABILITY. IF YOU'RE SUED FOR A WRONGFUL DETAINER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOT GONNA STEP IN AND TAKE ON THAT LIABILITY. 2 87 G AGREEMENTS HAVE EXPLODED, UH, IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS SINCE PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ELECTED TO HIS SECOND TERM. SO WE HAD SOMETHING ON THE ORDER OF 50 ODD, 2 87 G AGREEMENTS IN JANUARY. THAT NUMBER HAS GONE UP TO ABOUT 456. MOST MANY OF THOSE ARE OUT OF FLORIDA BECAUSE FLORIDA HAS ADOPTED A LAW SIMILAR TO, UH, SB EIGHT, WHICH SIERRA WAS TALKING ABOUT. AND WE'LL GET TO MANDATING THAT CERTAIN LOCAL ENTITIES ENTER INTO 2 87 G AGREEMENTS. SO HOW WOULD, UH, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK JUST AS THAT CONTEXT, NOTHING PREVENTS A LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITY FROM ENTERING INTO A 2 87 G AGREEMENT WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT THIS TIME IN TEXAS. TO, TO THE CONTRARY, THERE'S A LAW FROM 2017 CALLED SB FOUR THAT MANY OF YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH, AND THAT JUST PROHIBITS LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT FROM INSTRUCTING THEIR OFFICERS NOT TO CORRESPOND WITH IMMIGRATION. IT WAS NO POLICIES PROHIBITING ALTOGETHER, BUT OFFICERS DO SO IN TEXAS, A LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITY CAN ENTER INTO A 2 87 G AGREEMENT AS IS. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IT IS, WHAT DOES SENATE BILL EIGHT OF 2025 CHANGE ABOUT THIS? COULD YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO AS SIERRA ALREADY MENTIONED, IT IS A MANDATE FOR COUNTRY FOR COUNTIES WITH OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND RESIDENTS. UH, THOSE COUNTIES HAVE TO REQUEST FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT A 2 87 G AGREEMENT. AND IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYS, OKAY, THEN YOU HAVE TO ENTER INTO ONE. UM, AS WE DISCUSSED WITH THE COST BURDENS, THE SHERIFFS ARE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR SUPPLYING THE NECESSARY PERSONNEL. SO IF THE ENTITY, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITY ENTERS INTO THIS 2 87 3 AGREEMENT, YOU BECOME CONTRACTUALLY RESPONSIBLE UNDER THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR PROVIDING THE RESOURCES NECESSARY TO FULFILL YOUR COMMITMENTS TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT UNDER THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU SIGN. AND TEXAS ENFORCES OR IT PROPOSES TO ENFORCE THAT OBLIGATION WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S ABILITY TO SUE ENTITIES THAT ARE NOT COMPLYING WITH SB EIGHT, UH, TO THE EXTENT THAT HE OR SHE FEELS IS NECESSARY. UH, COUNTIES THAT ARE SMALLER UNDER A HUNDRED THOUSAND MAY ENTER INTO THESE 2 87 G AGREEMENTS UNDER SB EIGHT, AND IF THEY DO SO, THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR STATE, UH, REIMBURSEMENT FOR THEIR COSTS. SO THE COST OF DETAINING PEOPLE, THE COST OF ARRESTING PEOPLE, OFFICER COSTS, BUT LARGER COUNTIES WITH GREATER POPULATION THAN 1 MILLION WILL NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR EVEN THE, THE SOMEWHAT LIMITED REIMBURSEMENT UNDER SENATE BILL EIGHT. IF THE BILL IS PASSED AND SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR, THEN THE COMPLIANCE DEADLINE WOULD BE, UH, DECEMBER 1ST, 2026, AND THEN IT WOULD BE RENEWED ANNUALLY. SO UNDER THE TERMS OF THE LAW, EVERY YEAR YOU HAVE TO OFFER EVERY YEAR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, IF THEY ACCEPT, THEN THE LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITY HAS TO ENTER INTO A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING. [01:00:01] AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS THE ONE THAT'S POLICING THIS COMPLIANCE AND DECIDING, WELL, DO I THINK THAT YOU'RE DOING A GOOD ENOUGH JOB? SO EVERY YEAR THEY HAVE THAT RECURRING ABILITY TO SUE LOCAL ENTITY THAT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH SENATE BILL EIGHT. IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UH, SO ONE THING TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT, AND SIERRA SAID THIS, BUT JUST TO THE EXTENT IT'S UNCLEAR, SB EIGHT IS ABOUT COUNTIES. UH, SO DALLAS AS A MUNICIPAL ENTITY ISN'T GOING TO HAVE TO, UH, DO ANYTHING TO COMPLY WITH SB EIGHT. UM, AND SO I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DISCUSS IN TERMS OF, WELL, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR YOU AS A DPD OVERSIGHT BOARD RATHER THAN DALLAS COUNTY? BUT I DID WANT TO INCLUDE SOME OF THE BROADER POINTS THAT I I WE'VE BEEN SEEING IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE, EITHER IN SUPPORT OR IN OPPOSITION OF SB EIGHT. UM, NUMBER ONE, A NUMBER OF ENTITIES HAVE HAVE STATED THAT THIS WOULD BE A HUGE UNFUNDED MANDATE. SO DALLAS COUNTY HAS PROJECTED BETWEEN SIX AND $10 MILLION COSTS, UH, ITS FIRST YEAR IN TERMS OF STAFFING, OVER TIME, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SUPPORT. AND THEN, UH, OTHER COSTS THAT HAVE COME OUT IN THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION ARE GOING TO BE BETWEEN 40 AND $75 MILLION STATEWIDE. UH, THE GRANTS, WHICH ARE ONLY OPEN TO SMALLER COUNTIES ARE CAPPED AT 20 MILLION AND LARGE COUNTIES ARE, IN ANY EVENT, INELIGIBLE, THERE'S LIKELY TO BE AN INCREASE IN THE NA AND THE NEED FOR JAIL STAFF AND JAILERS, UH, BECAUSE YOU, UH, MAY INCREASE THE SIZE OF YOUR JAIL POPULATION OR THE LENGTH OF TIME IN WHICH PEOPLE ARE MADE TO STAY IN THE JAIL, UH, IN ORDER TO ASSESS WHETHER THEY'RE SUBJECT TO IMMIGRATION, DETAINERS, TRANS IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT. AND, UM, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF COMPLEXITY IN THE WAY THAT THE LAW IS WRITTEN AT THE MOMENT. IT IS OUR READING AND OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT IT CREATES SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR COUNTIES TO REQUEST A KIND OF 2 87 G AGREEMENT THAT THEY WANT. BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT THAT'S NOT CLEAR FROM THE WAY THAT THE LAW IS WRITTEN. UH, IN, IN JUST MY, MY CYNICAL MIND, I THINK THAT IT, IT LEAVES A LOT OF DISCRETION TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DICTATE THE TERMS OF WHAT THESE 2 87 G AGREEMENTS ARE. SO I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT IF THIS BILL PASSES TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT HOW EXACTLY COUNTIES ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO COMPLY, UH, AND HOW TO DO SO UNDER THE, THE SCRUTINY OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, WHY DO WE AS THE A CLU DISLIKE 2 87 G AGREEMENTS? UH, WE THINK IT SEVERELY IMPACTS COMMUNITY POLICING AND SAFETY. SO IN ADDITION TO STRAINING BUDGETS OF LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITIES, IT CAN DIVERT OFFICER TIME AND ATTENTION AWAY FROM CORE CRIME FIGHTING FUNCTIONS. THERE'S A REASON THAT THESE AGREEMENTS AREN'T THAT PLENTIFUL AND THERE'S A REASON THAT TO THE EXTENT THEY HA THEY EXIST, THEY GENERALLY FOCUS ON THE JAIL MODEL RATHER THAN THE TASK FORCE MODEL OF HAVING YOUR OFFICERS ACTUALLY ON PATROL FOR IMMIGRATION VIOLATIONS. AND THAT IS, THE BUDGETS ARE FINITE, TIME IS FINITE, AND, AND SO IT, IT CAN REALLY DIVERT AWAY FROM THE OFFICER'S ATTENTION AS WELL AS DIVERT AWAY FROM THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN OFFICERS, THE FORCE GENERALLY AND THE COMMUNITIES THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SERVE. SIERRA MENTIONED THIS, THERE IS DOCUMENTED, UH, DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN THE WILLINGNESS OF THE COMMUNITY TO PARTICIPATE WITH, COOPERATE WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WHEN THEY FEEL, UH, SAFE OR ASSURED THAT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IS NOT PERFORMING IMMIGRATION FUNCTIONS. AND, AND THOSE RATES SEVERELY DROP OFF, ESPECIALLY IN PRIMARILY, UH, MINORITY COMMUNITIES. AND TO THE EXTENT YOU HAVE PLACES WHERE THERE ARE A LOT OF MIXED STATUS FAMILIES, YOU, YOU REALLY DO RUN THE RISK OF PEOPLE HESITATING TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND MAKE THAT PHONE CALL EVEN WHEN THERE'S A PUBLIC SAFETY JUSTIFICATION FOR DOING SO BECAUSE THEY WORRY ABOUT EITHER, UH, THE SAFETY OR THE STATUS OF THE PERSON THEY'RE, THEY'RE CALLING AGAINST OR, OR THEIR OWN, UH, THEIR OWN RISK OF APPREHENSION AND DEPORTATION. HARRIS COUNTY AT, UH, PREVIOUSLY ENDED ITS OWN 2 87 G AGREEMENT CITING THIS KIND OF RESOURCE DRAIN IN TRUCK COR EROSION. BUT THERE ARE OTHER DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE IDENTIFIED SIMILAR THINGS. AND AS I SAID, THERE IS AT THIS POINT ENOUGH HISTORY TO HAVE RUN ANALYSES OF THE IMPACT ON REPORTING RATES OF 2 87 G AGREEMENTS. IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, IT ALSO COMMITS TO THIS MYTH THAT IMMIGRANTS PARTICIPATE IN CRIMES AT A GREATER RATE THAN CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES, WHICH IS JUST DEMONSTRABLY UNTRUE. IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES [01:05:01] ARE, AND I SAY THIS SPEAKING IN HOUSTON, AND I I HOPE THAT MY FRIENDS IN DALLAS AGREE THE, THE LIFEBLOOD OF A LOT OF OUR COMMUNITIES, THEY REALLY CAN BE THE BIG PART OF, AND, UH, IMMIGRANTS AND IN PARTICULAR UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE MUCH LOWER THAN US BORN CITIZENS. SO THAT RATE IS LESS THAN HALF OR VIOLENT, UH, FOR VIOLENT CRIMES, AND IT'S LESS THAN A QUARTER FOR PROPERTY CRIMES. AND SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY A MYTHOLOGY WHERE YOU IDENTIFY ONE OR A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WHO COMMIT CRIMES AND THEN YOU USE THAT TO TARGET AND VILIFY AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY SET OF COMMUNITIES. IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UH, AND THEN OF COURSE THERE ARE CIVIL LIBERTIES AND LIABILITIES RISKS. WHY ARE PEOPLE AFRAID TO CALL THE POLICE? UM, WHAT DOES THE, THE MYTH OF IMMIGRANT CRIMINALITY CONTRIBUTE TO? IT CONTRIBUTES TO RACIAL PROFILING, WRONGFUL DETENTION. UH, YOU KNOW, I'M A RUNNER. I ROUTINELY GO OUTSIDE WITHOUT MY ID, AND I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE THAT FREEDOM AND FLEXIBILITY. UH, AND I ALSO FEEL AS THOUGH I'M A RELATIVELY LOW RISK OF BEING ASKED BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WHAT MY IMMIGRATION STATUS IS, MEANING DOING NOTHING WRONG, JUST MINDING MY OWN BUSINESS OUT FOR A RUN. WHAT WE HAVE SEEN HISTORICALLY WITH IMMIGRATION POLICING AND THE ROLLOUT OF 2 87 G PROGRAMS IS PRECISELY THIS KIND OF RACIAL PROFILING. SOMETHING ABOUT YOU INDICATES TO ME THAT YOU DON'T BELONG IN THIS COMMUNITY, UH, THAT HAS OPENED THE DOOR TO CIVIL LITIGATION AND LIABILITY. MARICOPA COUNTY'S LITIGATION, UH, RELATED TO A 2 87 G AGREEMENT HAS SO FAR COST TAXPAYERS $314 MILLION. AND IT, IT, UH, BEARS REEMPHASIZING THAT SB EIGHT OFFERS NO STATE INDEMNITY. THE LIABILITY WOULD FALL IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITY ITSELF. IF YOU COULD GO TO THAT SLIDE. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I THINK GIVEN ALL THIS, WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS BOTH FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF WE DON'T THINK THAT SB EIGHT IS GOOD POLICY, THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITIES SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, WE ARE A JURISDICTION THAT WILL FOCUS ON, ON CRIMES AND CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AND NOT IDENTITY SB EIGHT FORECLOSES THAT OPPORTUNITY. UH, BUT EVEN TO THE EXTENT THAT IT DOES, THERE ARE HARM MITIGATION STRATEGIES AND THE LAW ITSELF, INCLUDING PRESERVING THAT FLEXIBILITY. AT A MINIMUM, WE THINK LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITIES SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, IF WE HAVE TO PARTICIPATE, THIS IS WHAT MAKES SENSE IN OUR COMMUNITY. UM, AND, AND THERE SHOULD BE ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY BEYOND THAT. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE MIGHT TALK ABOUT NOW, OR IN THE CONTEXT OF Q AND A IS WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT IN SO FAR AS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO ENTER INTO A 2 87 G AGREEMENT YOURSELF? AND I THINK THAT THAT CAN COME IN, UH, IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS DEPENDING ON THE TASK FORCE MODEL THAT IS ADOPTED, OR EVEN THE JAIL AGREEMENT THAT IS ADOPTED. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF DALLAS COUNTY ENTERS INTO A JAIL AGREEMENT WITH, UH, IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK FOR THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO THINK ABOUT IN TERMS OF WHEN ARE YOU SENDING PEOPLE TO THE JAIL? UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, THERE ARE STILL A NUMBER OF UNKNOWNS AND ADVOCACY OPPORTUNITIES. AND SO THIS IS, WE ARE WATCHING THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION, AS SIERRA SAID, THE BILL PASSED OUT OF THE SENATE. IT IS STILL ON IN WITH THE CALENDARS COMMITTEE IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. SO WE DO NOT KNOW IF AND WHEN IT'S GOING TO GET A HEARING, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THIS BILL IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. BILLS ROUTINELY CHANGE. THEY ARE AMENDED. THERE ARE HEARINGS AND OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK. UH, SO I THINK IN ADDITION TO ADVOCATING AGAINST THE PASSAGE OF SB EIGHT, TRYING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO PRESERVE THE FLEXIBILITY OF LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITIES TO DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE AND HOW BEST TO SERVE THEIR COMMUNITIES, UH, I THINK ANY KIND OF NEGOTIATING OPT-OUTS OR SUNSETS OR LOCAL APPROVAL OF MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING CHANGES WOULD BE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. ENSURE THAT IT IS TRULY A COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND NOT A DICTATE FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT THE MOMENT. SB EIGHT HAS NO SUNSET. IT IS JUST A RECURRING ANNUAL OBLIGATION THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS GOING TO AUDIT EACH YEAR. AND, AND SO PERHAPS THERE ARE WAYS TO, TO ROLL OUT THIS PROGRAM IN A SHORTER WAY, UM, FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS COUNTIES AND ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITY. THERE MAY BE VALUABLE DISCUSSION TO BE HAD ABOUT WHAT KIND OF, IF YOU HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE PROGRAMS, WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION WILL BE IMPORTANT TO COLLECT AND POTENTIALLY DISSEMINATE IN REGARD TO THE, UH, THE IMPACTS OF THIS PROGRAM. WHETHER THAT'S COST ANALYSIS, WHETHER THAT IS RACIAL IMPACT [01:10:01] AUDITS, PUBLIC REPORTING OF THE FREQUENCY AND PROGRAMS AND THEIR IMPACTS ON YOUR COMMUNITIES, UH, AND IN, IN THE LEGISLATURE, IF NOT BEYOND PERHAPS SEEKING STATE INDEMNITY OR APPROPRIATIONS TO HELP COVER SOME OF THE SHORTFALLS THAT YOU WILL FEEL AS A DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE IT IS VERY POSSIBLE THAT THIS DETRACTS FROM YOUR BUDGET IN A WAY THAT MAKES THEM HARDER TO DO YOUR, TO PERFORM YOUR CORE FUNCTIONS. UH, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, AND HERE ARE SOME RECOMMENDED NEXT STEPS. UM, MANY, MANY OF THEM COME OUT IN THE, THE SENSE THAT THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS. SO YOU CAN EITHER OPPOSE SD EIGHT OR, OR SEEK MORE LOCAL CONTROL IN HOW IT IS IMPLEMENTED. YOU CAN ADVOCATE WITH THE DALLAS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR A PARTICULAR MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING OR TERMS, UH, WORK WITH THEM TO ENSURE THAT YOUR SHARED WORK IS, IS NOT UNDERMINING YOUR ABILITY TO WIN PUBLIC TRUST. UM, ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE TO LIMIT THE ME MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING TO THE JAIL OR TO, UH, INCREASE THE OVERSIGHT THAT IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT HAS OVER THESE, THIS KIND OF WORK, AS OPPOSED TO ALLOWING THIS KIND OF WORK TO BLEED INTO EVERYTHING THAT THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE DOING IN, IN EITHER THE COUNTY OR THE CITY. UM, COLLECT DATA TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU THINK THAT DATA IS IMPORTANT. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW WE TALK A LOT ABOUT TRAINING, BUT TRAINING IS GONNA BE REALLY IMPORTANT. UH, WHETHER THAT'S CLASSROOM OR SIMULATIONS AS, AS WE PREVIOUSLY HEARD IN A, A QUESTION, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE TO WORK WITH COMMUNITIES THAT ARE GENUINELY, AND I THINK VERY REASONABLY AFRAID AT THIS MOMENT OF SEPARATION, UM, AND, AND OF POTENTIAL DEPRIVATIONS OF THEIR RIGHTS AND THEIR LIBERTY. THIS, UH, COULD JUST BE REFRESHING FOR YOUR OFFICERS. THIS IS WHAT THE CONSTITUTION REQUIRES. THE CONSTITUTION APPLIES TO EVERYBODY IN THIS COUNTRY. UM, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT DOCUMENTED VERSUS UNDOCUMENTED. IT'S USUALLY NOT THAT SIMPLE. MOST PEOPLE IN 2025 HAVE SOME KIND OF DOCUMENT. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THEY'RE IN ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLIANCE WITH UNITED STATES IMMIGRATION LAWS, WHICH IS NOT A STATIC OR CLEAR INQUIRY, AND IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT ONE FOR OFFICERS TO MAKE. UH, AND THEN COMMUNITY OUTREACH CAN BE REALLY IMPORTANT. I APPRECIATE THAT THIS IS A TIGHTROPE WALK BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU SERVE ON THE ONE HAND, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE WATCHFUL EYE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ON THE OTHER. AND SO THEY'LL TAKE ANY STATEMENT YOU MAKE ATTEMPTING TO ASSURE THE COMMUNITY, UH, AS AN ADMISSION THAT YOU ARE NOT COMPLYING WITH STATE LAW, WHICH COULDN'T BE FURTHER FROM THE CASE. BUT NONETHELESS, I THINK THIS KIND OF BEING IN THE COMMUNITY TELLING FOLKS, THIS IS WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE, THIS IS WHAT YOUR RIGHTS ARE, THIS IS HOW YOU CAN REPORT OR GET SOME KIND OF TRANSPARENCY INTO OUR PROCESSES, UM, DOCUMENT INSTANCES. AND THEN I THINK SOMETHING TO TO CONSIDER IS WHETHER YOUR POLICIES INDEPENDENTLY OF, OF HOW YOU ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS ARE SUPPORTIVE OF IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES. AND SO ONE OF THEM IS, IS, IS DOES YOUR DEPARTMENT WORK WITH WITNESSES AND VICTIMS OF CRIME AND SUPPORT THEIR APPLICATION FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, TO CERTAIN KINDS OF VISAS FOR SUPPORTING LAW ENFORCEMENT? SO WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO PROACTIVELY THAT CAN HELP MITIGATE SOME PEOPLE'S FEAR ABOUT CALLING AND WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT? I THINK IT'S GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT TO THINK THROUGH, UH, ALL OF THE STRATEGIES THAT ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED TO BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY THAT YOU CAN BE. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK MUST BE, UH, COORDINATED ON SOME LEVEL WITH THE COUNTY, WHETHER THAT MEANS THAT THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS, IS TAKING, UH, TAKING THE OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE TO IT THAT ARE FORECLOSED TO THE COUNTY UNDER SB EIGHT. IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. THERE ARE OPTIONS HERE. THERE ARE COMPLICATED, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE HIGHLY CONTINGENT ON, UH, LOCAL NEEDS THAT YOU ALL ARE THE EXPERTS ON. BUT, BUT THERE IS, THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY THINGS THAT WE CAN DO AT THIS TIME TO IMPROVE LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT RELATIONSHIPS AND ENSURE THAT, UM, TO THE EXTENT YOU HAVE TO HELP ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS, YOU DO SO IN A WAY THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH YOUR VALUES AND THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS. SO IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. I THINK WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO THE END. UH, YES, WE ARE. SO IF, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'LL STICK AROUND, IF NOT THE . THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. DONDI, FOR THAT PRESENTATION. AND, AND YES, I, I DO BELIEVE THE BOARD MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. AND SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR AVAILABILITY, UH, TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE. AND WE APPRECIATE GREATER CLARIFICATION ON SENATE BILL EIGHT. [01:15:01] AND, UH, SO AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP TO THE BOARD, AND IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR DISTRICT AND THEN ADDRESS THE QUESTION AND OUT OF RESPECT FOR TIME, LET'S KEEP, UH, BILL ABOUT THREE MINUTES IF POSSIBLE, UH, PER, UM, BOARD MEMBER. UH, AND NOW I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD, IF ANY QUESTIONS. YES, MR. WINTER ALLEN. DAVID, I KNOW THAT, UM, THE DALLAS COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS HAD AN IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT AGREEMENT IF INFORMAL FOR AT LEAST SINCE, WELL, SINCE 2005. UM, AND IT HASN'T BEEN UNDER 2 87 G, BUT IT HAS NONETHELESS BEEN A JAIL ENFORCEMENT AGREEMENT. UM, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT PERHAPS IF SB EIGHT IS PASSED, WE COULD CONTINUE THE SAME LEVEL OF JAIL ENFORCEMENT, EVEN THOUGH IT HAS SUBJECTED DALLAS COUNTY TO MULTIPLE LAWSUITS, INCLUDING DETAINING AMERICAN CITIZENS FOR UNREASONABLE PERIODS OF TIME. BUT THAT ASIDE, UH, WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THE FULL TARRANT COUNTY ROUTE OF HAVING AN ENTHUSIASTIC 2 87 G AGREEMENT, THAT INCLUDES LITTLE IMMIGRATION SIDE QUESTS? YEAH, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND, AND I, I THINK, UM, TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE AN AGREEMENT WRITTEN OUT, MY READING OF SB EIGHT, UH, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, WE, WE SEE THIS KIND OF INFORMAL OR POLICY AND PRACTICE BASED WORK. IN ANY EVENT, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES THIS LAW MAKE? I THINK IT'S GONNA AT LEAST MAKE THE DIFFERENCE IF SOMETHING HAS TO BE WRITTEN DOWN, THERE HAS TO BE A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING. UH, AND IT HAS TO BE FORMAL AND CODIFIED. UM, THAT COULD BE A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD FOR DALLAS COUNTY BECAUSE AN INFORMAL UNDERSTANDING MAY BE LESS ENFORCEABLE. THESE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WILL BE ENFORCEABLE BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. AND WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY SEEN ATTORNEY GENERAL PAXTON CRITIQUE, UH, THE INTERIM SHERIFF, UM, OR I'M SORRY, BUT, BUT WE KNOW THAT KEN PAXTON IS, IS VERY, UH, ATTUNED TO IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT OR WHAT THEY CALL SANCTUARY POLICIES. SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE COUNTY ENACTS A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT MORE OR LESS TRACKS WHAT ITS CURRENT PRACTICE IS. IT IS ALSO VERY POSSIBLE THAT THE SHERIFF, UH, ENACT SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT. AND SO I THINK THAT THAT'S GONNA BE A ROLE FOR LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS, UH, TO, IF NOT DICTATE THAT PROCESS, INFLUENCE IT EXPRESS CONCERNS, BECAUSE THERE'S LEGISLATIVE ADVOCACY PIECE HAPPENING NOW, BUT THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE THE RIGHT, IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE TO EXECUTE AN MOU, YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT US BECAUSE WE ARE OFFICERS ON THE GROUND. WE OFTEN WILL RECEIVE THE SAME INTAKES. AND SO I GUESS I HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION, AND THAT IS, UM, DO YOU SEE ANY POTENTIAL LEGAL CHALLENGE TO THIS, ESPECIALLY THE PORTION WHERE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL APPEARS TO BE ABLE TO FORCE THE COUNTY TO STRENGTHEN ITS, UH, MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT? I MEAN, I MEAN, IT, IT SEEMS ODD TO ME THAT AN UNRELATED THIRD PARTY COULD INTERVENE INTO AND FORCE A CONTRACT LIKE THAT. BUT NO, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AND I WON'T RULE IT OUT. I THINK, UM, WE, WE ARE STILL IN THE POSITION OF LOOKING AT THIS BILL AS A, UH, SOMETHING TO BE OPPOSED AND POTENTIALLY MODIFIED OR AMENDED. UM, BUT THEN OF COURSE, LITIGATION IS ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY. I WILL JUST BE VERY CANDID AND SAY THAT FOLLOWING SENATE BILL FOUR IN 2017, THE WINDOWS FOR THAT KIND OF OPPOSITION ARE JUST INCREASINGLY NARROW IN, IN OUR, IN OUR CIRCUIT. UH, THE STATE HAS CONSIDERABLE POWER OVER COUNTIES IN PARTICULAR, EVEN EVEN POWER THEY MAY NOT HAVE OVER THE LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT. DO YOU SEE ANYTHING IN THE, THE CONSTITUTIONAL SHERIFF THING LIKE THE, THE, THE MOVEMENT WHERE SHERIFFS GET TO DETERMINE WHAT THE LAW IS AND SO ON? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING WORTH LOOKING INTO. AND, UM, I WOULDN'T, I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T RULE OUT COUNTIES AND THEIR ABILITY TO, TO CHALLENGE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SB EIGHT. UM, BUT AT THIS TIME, I'M, I'M NOT AWARE OF, OF ANY DISCUSSIONS ON THAT POINT. THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME? FOR MR. DONDI? THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS, IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, MR. . SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR [01:20:01] YOUR TIME, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, FOR SHARING YOUR EXPERTISE AND, UH, FOR YOUR CARE, UH, FOR THOSE OF US HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE Y'ALL HAVE A GREAT EVENING. BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO, UH, THE AGENDA ITEM, UH, SIX, DO ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. O BASUI REGARDING SENATE BILL EIGHT? OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. OUI, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. AND THE CHAIR AT THIS TIME WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM SIX, WHICH IS DISCUSSION ON THE ROLE OF DPD AND IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT. THIS IS ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM THAT BOARD MEMBER FREE FRIEDMAN, UH, HAS ASKED, UH, TO BE INCLUDED. AND I'D LIKE TO GIVE THE FLOOR TO HIM AT THIS TIME FOR A STATEMENT FROM HIM. AND THEN FROM, UH, THAT, UH, THERE'LL BE A TIME FOR DISCUSSION AS A BOARD. WE DO HAVE A POTENTIAL ACTION ITEM ON THE AGENDA. IF WE AS A BOARD CHOOSE TO WRITE A MEMO, UH, REGARDING, UH, AS A, AS A BOARD TO DPD, CHIEF A POLICE, UH, WE CAN DO SO, UH, WITH THAT ACTION ITEM. OR WE CAN CHOOSE, UH, NOT TO AT THIS TIME AND WAIT FOR MORE INFORMATION, BUT THE CHAIR WOULD TO LIKE TO NOW RECOGNIZE MR. FRIEDMAN, UH, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. AND THEN AFTER HIM, WE WILL OPEN UP TO THE REST OF THE BOARD. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AND THE BOARD FOR INDULGING ME FOR A FEW MINUTES. UM, AGAIN, I'M BRANDON FRIEDMAN FROM DISTRICT 14. UM, I HAD ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO MAKE A CASE THIS EVENING FOR WHY WE, AS THE BODY APPOINTED TO OVERSEE THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDED TO GET SOME CLARITY FROM CHIEF CUOMO REGARDING WEATHER AND HOW HE INTENDS TO COLLABORATE WITH ICE AND THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY ON IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT. UM, BUT HE PRETTY MUCH CLEARED IT UP FOR US ON THURSDAY DURING AN INTERVIEW WITH WFAA. IN FACT, HE WAS VERY CLEAR WHEN ASKED BY THE REPORTER ABOUT COLLABORATING WITH ICE. HE SAID, QUOTE, WE WILL WORK SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH ALL OF OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS WHEN THEY NEED OUR ASSISTANCE. WE'LL BE THERE TO SUPPORT THEM AS LONG AS IT'S BEING DONE LEGALLY. AND BY THE LAW, IF ICE IS THE LEAD ON AN OPERATION AND THEY NEED OUR SUPPORT, WE WILL BE THERE TO HELP THEM. NOW, I WAS JUST TOLD WHEN I WALKED IN TONIGHT, THAT CHIEF CUOMO WILL ELABORATE ON THIS IN A MEMO. AND WHILE I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT, I, I'LL BE HONEST, I FOUND HIS ANSWER QUITE TROUBLING, GIVEN THE MANY RECENT STORIES CENTERED ON THE BRUTALITY, CRUELTY, AND LAWLESSNESS OF ICE. AND I THINK THIS IS A VITALLY IMPORTANT TOPIC FOR DALLAS RESIDENTS. AND ONE, WE NEED TO ADDRESS SO THAT NO ONE THINKS I'M AN ALARMIST. AND TO FURTHER THE POINT, I'M JUST GONNA READ OFF A FEW HEADLINES ALL FROM THE LAST FEW WEEKS. THE FIRST IS FROM KFOR IN OKLAHOMA, WE ARE CITIZENS. OKLAHOMA CITY FAMILY TRAUMATIZED AFTER ICE RAIDS HOME, BUT THEY WEREN'T SUSPECTS. CNN THREE CHILDREN WHO ARE US CITIZENS, INCLUDING ONE WITH CANCER, DEPORTED WITH THEIR MOTHERS. A B, C ICE DID NOT HAVE A WARRANT WHEN AGENTS DETAINED. MAHMUD KHALIL, ACCORDING TO COURT FILING, THE GUARDIAN TUFTS UNIVERSITY STUDENT DETAINED BY ICE FOR RIDING OP-ED, NBC MASSACHUSETTS WOMAN SPEAKS OUT AFTER VIDEO SHOWS ICE AGENTS SMASHING CAR WINDOW TO GET HUSBAND NBC BOSTON HARROWING VIDEO SHOWS WORCESTER POLICE HOLD 16-YEAR-OLD GIRLS' FACE ON PAVEMENT DURING ICE OPERATION. NEW YORK TIMES, NEW YORK MAYOR ROSS BARAKA ARRESTED BY ICE AT PROTEST OUTSIDE ICE DETENTION CENTER, M-S-N-B-C NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. NEW JERSEY CONGRESSMAN REACTS TO NEWARK MAYOR ARREST AXIOS TRUMP ADMINISTRATION EYES ARRESTS FOR HOUSE DEMOCRATS OVER ICE INCIDENT. I COULD GO ON. I HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF THESE. I DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH. UM, EACH ONE IS HORRIBLE. UH, BUT I'LL SPARE EVERYBODY HERE. UM, IN MY VIEW, THESE STORIES DEMONSTRATE A CLEAR PATTERN OF STATE SPONSORED VIOLENCE AND ABUSE. WHEN ICE LAUNCHES RAIDS, THEY DO SO MASKED LIKE COWARDS. THEY DO SO WITHOUT JUDICIAL WARRANTS. THEY GO TO ARREST CHILDREN WHILE WEARING MORE BODY ARMOR THAN I WORE IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN. AND WHILE THEY ARE TERRORIZING SOME OF OUR MOST VULNERABLE RESIDENTS, THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY IS THREATENING TO HAVE OPPOSITION PARTY LEADERS ARRESTED FOR SPEAKING OUT AGAINST IT. THIS IS NOT HYPOTHETICAL. AS I MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO, THE DEMOCRATIC MAYOR OF NEWARK WAS ARRESTED LAST WEEK FOR ATTEMPTING TO CONDUCT OVERSIGHT OF A PRIVATELY RUN ICE DETENTION FACILITY. Y'ALL, THIS IS FASCIST BEHAVIOR. [01:25:01] AS WE WAIT TO SEE WHETHER DHS WILL FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE THREAT TO ARREST MORE DEMOCRATS, IT IS APPARENT THAT THIS IS NOT JUST AN ISSUE FOR UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS. THIS IS AN ISSUE FOR ANYONE WHO MIGHT SPEAK UP TO SUGGEST THAT MAYBE JUST MAYBE THESE PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO CAME HERE SEEKING A BETTER LIFE, SHOULDN'T RECEIVE A LIFE SENTENCE IN A SALVADORIAN CONCENTRATION CAMP WITHOUT DUE PROCESS. IMMIGRANTS DON'T COME HERE TO MAKE OUR LIVES HARDER. THEY COME HERE TO CONTRIBUTE. AND OFTEN THEY COME HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE DESPERATE, BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY SAFE HAVEN THEY CAN REACH. WHETHER THEY'RE FLEEING CARTEL VIOLENCE IN NORTHERN MEXICO, GANG VIOLENCE IN HONDURAS, A COLLAPSED ECONOMY IN VENEZUELA, OR POVERTY IN HAITI. AND IN ALMOST ALL CASES, THEY MAKE OUR COUNTRY BETTER. WE SHOULD NOT PULL UP THE LADDER. WE SHOULD HELP THEM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PUBLIC SERVANTS DO. WHEN I THINK OF PUBLIC SERVANTS, I THINK OF POSTAL CARRIERS, PARK RANGERS, VA DOCTORS AND NURSES, HOMELESSNESS COUNSELORS, FIREFIGHTERS, AND THE MANY HELPFUL POLICE OFFICERS I'VE MET IN DALLAS. I THINK OF ALL THE PEOPLE I WORK WITH IN THE MILITARY, AT VA AND AT HUD. MOREOVER, I THINK OF THE HELPERS MR. ROGERS TALKED ABOUT. YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT HE ONCE FAMOUSLY SAID, WHEN I WAS A BOY AND I WOULD SEE SCARY THINGS IN THE NEWS, MY MOTHER WOULD SAY TO ME, LOOK FOR THE HELPERS. YOU'LL ALWAYS FIND PEOPLE WHO ARE HELPING. THAT'S WHAT I THINK OF WHEN I THINK OF PUBLIC SERVANTS. BUT ICE ISN'T HELPING. THEY'RE NOT HELPING ANYONE. THEY'RE NOT MAKING US SAFER OR MORE PROSPEROUS. WITH EVERY NEW HEADLINE, I FIND IT HARDER TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ROLE THEY'RE PLAYING THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO EVEN CALL THEM PUBLIC SERVANTS. WHAT I'M SEEING INSTEAD ARE MASS THUGS TERRORIZING COMMUNITIES ACROSS AMERICA. AND I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT HERE, NOT IN MY CITY. IF THERE IS ONE THING I COULD EXPRESS TO CHIEF CUOMO, AS HE NAVIGATES DPDS ROLE, IT IS THAT HIS FIRST JOB, HIS JOB ABOVE ALL ELSE, IS TO PROTECT DALLAS RESIDENTS AND TO KEEP THEM SAFE. I READ THAT ON DPDS WEBSITE IN ITS MISSION STATEMENT. IT SAID, THE DEPARTMENT'S GOAL IS TO QUOTE, HELP PEOPLE AND PROVIDE ASSISTANCE AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY END QUOTE. IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT ACTING AS AN ENFORCEMENT ARM OF AN OUT OF CONTROL FEDERAL AGENCY BASED IN WASHINGTON DC. SO MY PERSONAL HOPE IS THAT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO PROTECT ALL DALLAS RESIDENTS, EVEN IF IT IS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ITSELF. I BELIEVE THAT IS THE POLICE CHIEF'S JOB. THEREFORE, MY VIEW IS THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE FORMALLY EXPRESS OUR DISSATISFACTION WITH HIS WILLINGNESS TO COLLABORATE WITH ICE. AND WE EXPRESS OUR DESIRE TO SEE ALL DALLAS RESIDENTS PROTECTED, ESPECIALLY THOSE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO FEEL JUSTIFIABLY THREATENED BY ICE. HIS DECISION WILL DETERMINE WHAT WE AS A CITY STAND FOR AS PROTESTS AND RAIDS ESCALATE THIS SUMMER. I THINK THIS IS A CRUCIAL PART OF OUR MISSION IN OVERSEEING THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT ON BEHALF OF OUR DISTRICTS AND RESIDENTS. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO DISCUSSING THIS WITH YOU ALL. THANK YOU. I YIELD BACK. MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. FREEMAN. I'D NOW LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD AT THIS TIME FOR COMMENTS ABOUT THIS ISSUE. UH, WE ARE SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE ROLE OF DPD IN IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT. AND, UH, AT THIS TIME, IF THERE'S ANY BOARD MEMBERS, I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT TOPIC, MR. FREEMAN'S, UH, TOP, UH, COMMENTS AS WELL. UH, THE FLOOR IS NOW YOURS, JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT. MR. FREEMAN, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, HAS ANY KIND OF A, UH, MEMORANDUM BEEN PREPARED, UM, FROM US THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO PRESENT? NO, BUT I THINK THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT. I THINK IT WOULD BE, WELL, LET ME, LET ME SAY THIS BECAUSE I WAS TOLD RIGHT BEFORE THIS MEETING, UH, BY DIRECTOR ANDRE, THAT HE'S GOING TO ELABORATE AND PROVIDE US WITH A MEMO ELABORATING ON WHAT HE TOLD THE PRESS ABOUT COLLABORATING WITH ICE. UM, BEFORE I HEARD THAT, MY INTENT WAS THAT WE COULD WRITE A LETTER TO HIM EXPRESSING HOW WE FELT AND THAT WE SHOULD DETERMINE IN HERE THIS EVENING HOW WE FEEL. UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, A MAJORITY OF US WOULD NEED TO, TO AGREE ON SOMETHING. UM, YOU WANTED TO WAIT, SORRY. DID YOU, UH, WANT TO WAIT UNTIL WE HEAR FROM HIM BEFORE WE DO THAT? WELL, I'M, I'M, I'M OP I'M OPEN TO, TO DISCUSSING THAT, UM, DIRECTOR ANDRE, COULD YOU REMIND ME WHEN HE SAID HE WAS GONNA HAVE THAT MEMO TO US? FRIDAY. FRIDAY? OKAY. AND DO YOU HAVE [01:30:01] ANY IDEA WHAT IT WAS GONNA INCLUDE, OR, SO I FORWARDED THE QUESTION THAT YOU REQUESTED FOR ME TO, UM, FORWARD TO THE CHIEF TO GET A RESPONSE BEFORE THIS MEETING. UM, BUT HE'S STILL TRAVELING, SO I WAS INFORMED HE WOULD RESPOND FRIDAY. OKAY. I I, I DO THINK THAT BECAUSE WE ONLY MEET ONCE A MONTH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS MEMO'S GONNA SAY. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY, IF IT WERE UP TO ME, AND IF THE BOARD AGREES, I, I WOULD CRAFT A LETTER EXPRESSING TO THE CHIEF HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT'S COLLABORATION WITH ICE. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW I, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST GAVE A SPEECH ABOUT HOW I FEEL. I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD FEELS. WELL, I WOULD, UM, I WOULD HAVE TO DITTO EVERYTHING YOU'VE SAID ACTUALLY. OKAY. AND HAVE TO AGREE WITH IT, AND HAVE TO REQUEST THAT YOU, UH, IF THE BOARD AGREES THAT YOU DRAFT SUCH A LETTER, UM, TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE MM-HMM . AND THE QUICKER WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS AND LET THEM, LET THE CITY KNOW THAT WE ARE CONCERNED AND THAT WE ARE A BOARD THAT IS, UH, MAKING SURE, HOPEFULLY, THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T BECOME A GESTAPO AROUND HERE. AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO DO SO. SO I WOULD REQUEST IF THE BOARD AGREES THAT, UH, YOU DRAFT SUCH A LETTER AND GET IT TO US, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO. YES. MR. JACKSON, UH, TIM JACKSON, DISTRICT SEVEN. SO I, I DON'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU JUST SAID. SO I I, I WOULDN'T BE SIGNING OFF ON A LETTER THAT REPRESENTS THE ENTIRE BODY. MAYBE WE CAN TAKE THAT TO A VOTE. I FEEL LIKE THE CHIEF SHOULD BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO HIS COMMENTS BEFORE WE CREATE A LETTER SO THAT WE CAN HOLISTICALLY LISTEN TO WHAT HE HAS TO SAY. I MEAN, THE CHIEF COMES FROM A FEDERAL BACKGROUND. SO WHAT DID YOU EXPECT FOR HIM TO SAY, ALL RIGHT. I MEAN, HE'S A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, SO I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD DO DUE DILIGENCE TO ALLOW HIM TO SAY WHAT HE HAS TO SAY AND THEN WE CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT. BUT JUST TO DRAFT A LETTER BASED ON THE WAY YOU FEEL, SPECIFICALLY, A LOT OF WHAT YOU SAID HAD A LOT OF PARTISANSHIP IN IT. YOU MENTIONED A LOT ABOUT DEMOCRATIC PEOPLE BEING ARRESTED OR WHATNOT, AND I THOUGHT WE WERE A NON-PARTISAN BOARD. SO I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A, A SLIPPERY SLOPE, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE CAN DO THIS IN SUCH A WAY THAT DOESN'T INSERT HEADLINES AND PARTISANSHIP INTO SOMETHING BECAUSE THESE BOARDS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE NONPARTISAN, UM, REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU FEEL. UM, BUT I, I JUST DON'T AGREE WITH A LETTER BEING WRITTEN RIGHT NOW BASED ON YOUR PRESENTATION THAT REPRESENTS US ALL. AND THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION. IF WE CAN TAKE IT TO A, I JUST CONSIDERATION OR A VOTE, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT IT. LEMME JUST RESPOND TO THAT. I, I, I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M THE ONE INJECTING PARTISANSHIP. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT REPUBLICANS GET ARRESTED. I'M RESPONDING TO THE FACT THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS THREATENING TO ARREST DEMOCRATS. THAT'S A FACT. THAT'S NOT PARTISANSHIP ON MY PART. IT'S ALSO OUTLETS THAT PROMOTE. IF YOU LISTEN TO ONE NEWS OUTLET, THEY'RE GONNA SAY THAT ONE SIDE IS DOING SOMETHING. IF YOU LISTEN TO ANOTHER NEWS OUTLET, THEY'RE GONNA SAY THAT. SO IT'S A MATTER OF OPINION. IT IT, YOU CAN SAY THAT IT'S A FACT. THERE CAN BE TRUTH INSIDE THE STATEMENT, BUT IT'S NOT A TOTAL FACT. SO, AGAIN, I, I DON'T AGREE WITH NECESSARILY PUTTING OUT SOMETHING RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE GET ALL OF THE FACTS THAT WE CAN CONSIDER BEFORE WE AS A GROUP SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMEONE WRITE SOMETHING AND SPEAK AS A GROUP. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I DISAGREE WITH YOU ON OTHER TOPICS, BUT FOR THIS SPECIFIC ONE, I'D RATHER HEAR WHAT ELSE THE CHIEF HAS TO SAY. IF HE'S GONNA PUT OUT A MEMO, UM, BASED ON WHAT HE BELIEVES TO BE HIS FACTS AND HOW HE'S GONNA GOVERN AS A POLICE CHIEF, AND THEN WE CAN ASSESS THAT AS A GROUP VERSUS REACTING TO SOMETHING THAT HE'S SAYING AND HIS RESPONSE THAT HE HASN'T EVEN PUT OUT YET. THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION ON IT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR THE BOARD? CHAIRMAN? YES. MS. WADSWORTH, UM, D WADSWORTH, DISTRICT 12. WELL, I'M, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE READ THE PRESIDENT'S EXECUTIVE ORDER, BUT I HAVE, AND HE SPECIFICALLY SAYS, AMERICA'S LAW ENFORCEMENT IS TO PURSUE CRIMINALS. THAT MEANS CONVICTED PEOPLE, NOT INNOCENT PEOPLE OR ANYONE ELSE, CRIMINALS. NOW THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AS WAS REPORTED IN THE MEDIA, WHO'S, HOW THIS IS ACTUALLY PLAYING OUT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE NEW CHIEFS SPEAK SPECIFICALLY ON THIS PURSUIT OF CRIMINALS. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA WRITE A LETTER AT THIS POINT, BUT I, I REALLY WANT TO HEAR FROM THE CHIEF ON SPECIFICS, BECAUSE COOPERATING WITH ICE ABOUT PURSUING CRIMINALS, SURE, THAT'S GONNA PROTECT DALLAS RESIDENTS. IT WILL, BUT GOING AFTER OTHER PEOPLE, IT'S VERY DISTURBING. MR. SMITH, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO. OH, SO I, [01:35:01] I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH BOARD MEMBER FREEMAN'S LETTER. UM, YOU KNOW, MY PER PERCEPTION OF IT WASN'T, UH, PARTISAN. IT WAS YOUR OWN PERSONAL FEELINGS, BUT I, I DIDN'T SEE MUCH PARTISAN, UH, LANGUAGE IN IT. UM, AND I THINK THAT JUST FROM THE HISTORY OF BEING ON THIS BOARD AND BEING SOMEONE WHO HAS WATCHED THIS BOARD AND HELPED IT, HELPED MAKE IT A REALITY, I THINK THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH A BOTH END STRATEGY. LIKE WE CAN PUT OUR LETTER TOGETHER AND OUR RESPONSE AND THEN AWAIT THE CHIEF'S RESPONSE AS WELL. HE CAN RESPOND TO OUR LETTER. WE CAN BE PROACTIVE. UM, AND REALLY IT, THE, SOMEONE MENTIONED THAT THE TIME WAS OF THE ESSENCE, AND IF WE WAIT ON THE CHIEF'S RESPONSE, THAT MEANS WE GOTTA WAIT ONE MORE MONTH TO HEAR THE RESPONSE, AND THEN WE GOTTA WAIT ANOTHER MONTH PROBABLY TO MAKE THE RESPONSE. AND SO I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT UP TO THE BOARD IF WE END UP EVENTUALLY VOTING FOR THAT, LIKE WHAT TYPE OF TIME FRAME WE'RE LOOKING AT, EVEN TO MOVE ON THIS AND MAKE OUR OWN STATEMENT. AND ONE MORE THING, I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT WHATEVER THAT WE SEND TO THE CHIEF, WE ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS CC TO CITY COUNCIL WHO APPOINTED US HERE AS WELL. SO THEY ARE IN THE LOOP OF THAT CONVERSATION. MR. FIT ALLEN, BOARD MEMBER FREEMAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TIME AND THOUGHTFULNESS THAT YOU PUT INTO THE TOPIC THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT TO US. UM, IN MANY WAYS, I AM SENSITIVE TO THE POSITION THAT THE CHIEF IS IN, BECAUSE ISSUING A FULL THROATED STATEMENT THAT DALLAS POLICE IS NOT ABOUT TO COLLABORATE WITH AN OUT OF CONTROL FEDERAL AGENCY, WHICHEVER ONE IT MAY BE AT THE TIME, IS THE KIND OF THING THAT WILL BRING THE CHIEF AND DPD NOT ONLY FEDERAL STATIC, BUT ALSO A LOT OF PRESSURE FROM THE STATE WHO, AS WE'VE SEEN FROM THIS SB EIGHT BILL, IS EAGER TO PUNISH AND, AND ALIENATE THE BIG COUNTIES JUST FOR BEING DIVERSE PLACES FULL OF PEOPLE WHO NEED TO BE PROTECTED. AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AS AN INCOMING CHIEF, CHIEF CUOMO HAS TO ENGENDER THE KIND OF TRUST WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT LETS HIM DO THE JOB OF KEEPING THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS SAFE AND, AND HELPING THEM REMEMBER THAT THEY CAN STILL REPORT CRIMES WHEN THEY'RE VICTIMIZED. THAT THEY CAN STILL CALL THE POLICE WHEN THEY NEED TO WITHOUT FEARING THAT THEY'LL BE DETAINED, OR THAT THEIR CHILDREN, OR THAT THEIR PARENTS ARE GONNA BE TAKEN AWAY FOR REASONS OR NOT REASONS. BUT THAT'S NOT THE POSITION THAT WE ARE IN. WE ARE A BOARD WHOSE GOAL IS TO MAKE A VOICE FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND I THINK THAT ALTHOUGH THE CHIEF MAY HAVE TO HEDGE HIS WORDS, BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT TO ATTRACT THE IRE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR THE STATE GOVERNMENT, OR WHICHEVER BRANCH OF EITHER ONE IS TRYING TO CRACK DOWN AND SCARE PEOPLE AND DIVIDE PEOPLE AT THE TIME, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT. WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS PRESENT WHAT, HOW THE COMMUNITY FEELS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND, AND REACH OUT THAT HAND. AND I, I THINK THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS IS PRETTY UNIVOCAL ON THIS, THAT WE DON'T WANT NON DALLAS OUTSIDE AGITATORS, BE THEY FEDERAL OR STATE OR WHATEVER COMING IN, SCARING OUR FOLKS, MAKING US LESS SAFE BY MAKING PEOPLE NOT FEEL FREE TO REPORT CRIMES, COME IN AND WITNESS IN COURT, OR DO THE THINGS THAT A COMMUNITY NEEDS TO DO TO KEEP US SAFE TOGETHER. AND SO I THINK THAT YOUR IDEA OF SENDING A LETTER TO THE CHIEF, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE CHIEF STATEMENT IS, IS IN FACT TIME SENSITIVE, IS IN FACT IMPORTANT. BECAUSE IN ORDER TO SHOW THAT THE COMMUNITY IN ALL OF OUR DISTRICTS WANTS THAT KIND OF LAW ENFORCEMENT [01:40:01] THAT IS NOT BEHOLDEN TO OUT OF CONTROL FEDERAL AGENCIES OR STATE PRESSURES, THAT IS NEIGHBORHOOD POLICING, COMMUNITY POLICING, THE KIND OF POLICING THAT WE ARE ARRANGED HERE TO SUPPORT, THAT'S IMPORTANT. AND SO, ALTHOUGH I THINK THAT THE POLICE CHIEF MAY HAVE TO BE QUITE SELECTIVE WITH HIS WORDS, I THINK OURS JUST NEED TO BE TRUTHFUL. AND THAT IS THAT WE NEED A COMMUNITY POLICE FORCE THAT IS RESPONSIVE TO ALL OF US IN THE COMMUNITY. AND SO I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THE LETTER. YES. MR. MAPLES, FOR YOUR YES. YES, SIR. UM, THAT WAS A PASSIONATE LETTER. I, I COULD TELL YOU PUT A, PUT A LOT OF, OF THOUGHT AND A LOT OF YOUR, YOUR HEART INTO IT. I AWAIT THE CHIEF'S RESPONSE. BUT I ALSO BELIEVE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE ARE PROACTIVE BECAUSE TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE, BECAUSE THIS IS MID-MAY. WE'RE OFF IN SIX WEEKS BEFORE JULY, SO WE DON'T WANNA WAIT TILL THE FALL BEFORE OR LATE SUMMER BEFORE ANY TYPE OF RESPONSE COMES OUT TO WHATEVER. UM, THE CHIEF, UH, MAY SAY IN HIS LETTER ON FRIDAY, I, I, I LOOK AT THIS FROM AN ANGLE OF SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN TO MORE THAN ONE OR TWO OR THREE KNOW YOUR RIGHTS, UH, EVENTS WHERE THE LOOK ON THE FACE OF OUR WOMEN AND CHILDREN IS TERROR. SO IN A MAJORITY MINORITY CITY, THAT FEAR TURNS INTO ANGER AND THAT ANGER WILL BE TAKEN OUT ON ALL PEOPLE OF AUTHORITY. AND IF WE DON'T GET THIS RIGHT, IT COULD LEAD TO A TERRIBLE SITUATION AGAIN HERE IN DALLAS. AND I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO GET HURT OR DALLAS TO GET ANOTHER BLACK EYE. IT'S REALLY, REALLY UNFORTUNATE THAT WE ARE IN THIS PREDICAMENT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I LIVE A LIFE OF SERVICE. THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'M ON THIS BOARD. AND I LIVE IN A DIVERSE NEIGHBORHOOD. ALL MY FRIENDS ARE DIVERSE. AND I KNOW WHAT I WOULD DO IF ICE JUST RAN UP TO SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS OR FRIEND'S HOUSE WITH MASKS ON. WELL, GUESS WHAT? I'M GETTING INVOLVED. I'M NOT GONNA STAND AROUND AND WATCH. NOW, HOW DO WE IDENTIFY THAT? ARE THEY IDENTIFYING THEMSELVES? IS DPD ON THE SCENE THAT I KNOW, HEY, THIS IS WHAT'S TAKING PLACE? BECAUSE SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE, UM, VIDEOS THAT I'VE SEEN, I DON'T EVEN SEE WHAT LOOKS LIKE ANYONE IDENTIFYING THEMSELVES. I JUST SEEN WHAT LOOKS LIKE THE JUMP OUT BOYS, AND LET'S TAKE 'EM. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO IT, FOR ME, IT, IT, I THINK WE NEED TO PROACTIVELY THINK ABOUT AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO PUT TOGETHER. AND AT THE SAME TIME, LISTEN CAREFULLY TO WHAT THE CHIEF HAS TO SAY. BECAUSE AS IT WAS MENTIONED, HE DOES COME FROM A FEDERAL BACKGROUND. A PART OF MY LIFE, I CARRIED A PACK ON MY BACK ALSO, MR. FREEMAN. AND WHEN I HAD THAT PACK ON MY BACK, I DID WHAT I WAS TOLD TO DO, BUT ALSO USED COMMON SENSE. SO AT THE, AT THE SAME TIME, I JUST WANT US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS. WE'RE APPOINTED TO THIS BOARD. WE'RE A SERVICE TO THE CITY. SO LET'S SERVE THE CITY. THANK YOU. YES, MS. KING, UM, MR. CHAIR. CAN, CAN WE CONDUCT BUSINESS VIA EMAIL? IN BETWEEN MEETINGS? UH, WE CAN, UH, THERE CAN BE A MOTION MADE, MAYBE A, A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WE CAN FORM. OH, I CAN'T, I GUESS [01:45:01] HERE'S, ATTORNEY CAN TELL US WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO. MAKES AN APPEARANCE. LET ME, LET ME, UH, PINCH HIT THERE FOR YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, THANK YOU. YOU CANNOT SEND, UM, A QUORUM OF THE BODY CANNOT SEND, UM, EMAILS BACK AND FORTH. YOU CAN'T LIKE, SEND DRAFTS BACK AND FORTH. AS I'VE BEEN LISTENING, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S, UM, A COUPLE OF OPTIONS THE BOARD COULD DO. UH, I THINK JUDGE LAN'S APPROACH WAS JUST TO LET MR. FREEMAN TAKE A FIRST SHOT AT DOING A DRAFT. AND THAT COULD COME BACK BEFORE THE, UH, THE BODY NEXT MONTH, AND YOU GUYS COULD AMEND IT ALL YOU WANT AND FORMALLY VOTE YAY OR NAY ON IT. UM, THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF A, THE CREATION OF A SUBCOMMITTEE WHO COULD LOOK AT IT AND THEN BRING THAT BACK BEFORE THE FULL BODY. THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION. OR YOU COULD ASK STAFF TO TAKE A STAB AT THE FIRST DRAFT AND THEY COULD PRESENT SOMETHING NEXT MONTH. SO THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS. UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS, IF THAT WAS HELPFUL. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. SO I'VE HEARD THREE POTENTIAL OPTIONS. AND I GUESS, UH, WE WOULD NEED A MOTION IS ANOTHER OFFICER, I STILL HAVE A QUESTION. THE, THE CHAIR CAN CALL A MEETING AT ANY TIME, CORRECT? THE YES, THE, THE CHAIR CAN CALL A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING AS WELL AS, UH, FIVE OF YOU ALL CAN SIGN A, A LETTER TELLING THE CHAIR TO CALL A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING IN BETWEEN TIMES. SO, SO WE COULD ESSENTIALLY, OR, OR THEORETICALLY, LET'S SAY ME, I COULD DRAFT A LETTER AND THEN THE CHAIRMAN COULD CALL A MEETING FOR NEXT TUESDAY. AND IF WE HAD A QUORUM, WE COULD DEAL WITH IT. UH, YES, IT WOULD, WE WE WOULD STILL BE SUBJECT TO THE 72 HOUR NOTICE REQUIREMENT UNDER THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. BUT YOU CAN CERTAINLY, WE COULD DO A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING. UM, THE ONE, UH, PRACTICAL CONSIDERATION IS WE WOULD NEED A ROOM AVAILABLE. UH, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THIS ROOM IS AVAILABLE NEXT TUESDAY, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I'M SURE STAFF IN THE, THE CHAIR COULD WORK OUT IS FIGURING OUT A TIME IN A ROOM. RIGHT. I'M JUST, I'M JUST THROWING OUT THEORETICAL, BUT IT, IT JUST, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WAITING A MONTH, IF WE DO THIS, I THINK WAITING A MONTH WOULD BE A LITTLE TOO LONG. MR. SMITH, YOU HAD A COMMENT OR QUESTION? YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO SIT BACK AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE OBJECTIVES THAT I FEEL THAT SEVERAL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE. UM, OBVIOUSLY AS WE JUST STATED, I THINK TIMELINESS IS A KEY, UH, PROPONENT OF, UM, OUR ACTIONS THAT WE WANT TO TAKE. BUT I ALSO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO GET, YOU KNOW, DIRECT FEEDBACK FROM THE CHIEF THAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO COME FRIDAY. UM, SO TRYING TO BALANCE THOSE TWO. I MEAN, MY PERSONAL POSITION IS I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO GET A LITTLE MORE ELABORATION FROM THE CHIEF, UM, ON HIS POSITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT IDENTIFIED PUBLICLY. UM, HE'S NEW IN THE JOB. WE HAVEN'T MET HIM. WE WERE SUPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, MORE OR LESS MEET HIM, UH, TONIGHT WHERE WE COULD HAVE ASKED THESE QUESTIONS DIRECTLY. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST GIVE HIM THAT TIME AND SPACE TO GIVE US A RESPONSE. AND NOW IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE SOME OTHER AVENUES TO ADDRESS THAT TIMING SITUATION, CALLING SPECIAL MEETING, PUTTING TOGETHER POLICY COMMITTEES. SO, UM, MY OPINION WOULD BE TO, YOU KNOW, WAIT, LET'S GET THAT FRIDAY. AND I THINK THAT INFORMATION WILL REALLY DRIVE THE EXPEDIENCY ON THOSE OTHER AVENUES OF GETTING TOGETHER AND PUTTING A RESPONSE. MR. CHAIR, IF I'M, I WOULD LIKE TO, I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE, IS YOUR MICROPHONE ON MS DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH? I, I'M SORRY. IT'S ON. I MOVE THAT WE WAIT UNTIL WE RECEIVE THE LETTER AND WE FORM A PO ASK THE POLICY COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THE LETTER AND THEN HAVE A CALL MEETING TO RESPOND. THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AT THIS TIME, UH, TO WAIT FOR, I, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE MOTION IS TO REFER THIS MATTER TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE, LET THEM REVIEW THE MATTER, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THIS BODY WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CHAIR WILL DO A SPECIAL CALL MEETING ONCE THE POLICY COMMITTEE HAS MADE ITS RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THE, UH, THE, UH, RESPONSE IS THE DPDS MEMO TO US. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE, WE, WE WAIT, WE WAIT ON THAT FIRST AND THEN, OKAY. SO, UH, THERE HAS BEEN A MOTION MADE. UH, IS THERE A SECOND TO THIS MOTION? OZZIE SMITH, DISTRICT ONE, I SECOND THERE'S BEEN SECONDED BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE. ANY DISCUSSION? DEFINITELY HAVE SOME DISCUSSION. TIM JACKSON, DISTRICT SEVEN. SO THIS POLICY COMMITTEE THAT'S GONNA REVIEW IT, WHAT IS GONNA BE THE, UH, THE TASK OF THAT POLICY COMMITTEE? ARE THEY GONNA REVIEW WHAT'S BEING WRITTEN UP BY THE COMMISSIONER WHO PLACED THE, THE LETTER ON, ON THE TABLE, AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA AGREE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA PUT FORTH AS A, AS A COLLECTIVE? OR LIKE, HOW, WHAT DOES THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE? BUT [01:50:01] EVEN PRIOR TO THAT, I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE FROM A STANDPOINT OF CHAIN OF COMMAND, BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF VETERANS ON THIS BOARD, IF THESE, UH, SENATE BILLS DIRECTLY, UH, IMPLY THAT THE SHERIFF IS THE ONE WHO'S ESSENTIALLY WORKING WITH FEDERAL AGENCIES TO ENFORCE WHATEVER THESE RULES ARE WITHIN THE COUNTIES, WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE WE ASKING THE CHIEF FOR? IF ALL OF THAT CAN BE CIRCUMVENTED BY THE DPD AND THE SHERIFFS CAN, CAN AUTOMATICALLY JUST DO WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO? I MEAN, I I I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S, THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING IS VERY VALID DISCUSSION AND, AND THE CONCERNS ARE EXTREMELY VALID. BUT WHAT SPECIFIC ROLE IS DPD PLAYING IN THIS PROCESS? IF THE SHERIFFS ARE ABOVE THEM IN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AS IT RELATES TO A SENATE BILL AND THE ENFORCEMENT, AND THEY'RE NOT ENTITLED TO EVEN PROVIDE ANYTHING, OR, I MEAN, IT, THE LAST PREVIOUS CHIEF SAID WE WEREN'T GONNA SUPPORT THE CURRENT CHIEF SAYS THAT WE ARE. IT KIND OF SEEMS LIKE IT'S JUST BANTER, REALLY, BECAUSE IN THE END, THE SHERIFFS, ARE THEY NOT THE ONES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE ENFORCEMENT OF THESE SENATE BILLS? AND IF I, AND IF I'M, IF I'M INCORRECT IN MY QUESTIONS, I'M JUST ASKING FOR CLARITY BECAUSE I'D HATE FOR US TO GO THROUGH THIS ENTIRE PROCESS WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THIS OFF TO ANOTHER COMMITTEE AND WE'RE DOING ALL THIS DISCUSSION. AND WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, THE SHERIFF IS GONNA OUTWEIGH THE POLICE CHIEF ON THE MATTER AND THE ENFORCEMENT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE. THAT'S JUST MY, MY HONEST QUESTION. IF I SOUND IGNORANT, I APOLOGIZE. I'M ASKING FOR CLARITY. 'CAUSE I'M SURE I'M NOT THE ONLY PERSON WHO DOES THAT. IT'S, THAT'S VALID QUESTION. VALID QUESTION. AND MUST ASSURED TOO, UH, IN ORDER FOR A LETTER TO REPRESENT THE BOARD AS A WHOLE, 100% OF US WILL NEED TO BE ON BOARD. UH, THERE, THERE'LL HAVE TO BE COMPLETE UNITY FROM ALL OF US, UH, TO SEND A LETTER ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE BOARD. BUT TO RESPOND TO THAT, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT, MS. RAO? SO THE, THE LETTER AND THE ISSUE IS, IS IT A HUNDRED PERCENT OR IS IT A MAJORITY? THE MAJORITY. SO MAJORITY, MAJORITY RULES. UH, I I FEEL THOUGH THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, IS THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT STATE LAW? I MEAN, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE ATTORNEY FOR THERE TO BE A LETTER ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD? IS IT UNANIMOUS OR IS IT THE MAJORITY? UM, IT'S JUST A MAJORITY UNDER ROBERT'S RULES. OKAY. UNLESS, UM, THERE'S SOME PROVISION IN CHAPTER 37 THAT I, AND I CAN'T THINK OF ONE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT IT WOULD JUST BE A MAJORITY MR. CHAIR, SOMETIMES WE'RE UNANIMOUS, AND WHEN WE ARE, WE LET THEM KNOW THAT WE'RE UNANIMOUS. BUT THIS ISSUE, AND, AND THIS LETTER IS NOT ABOUT SB EIGHT, ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONFUSION BECAUSE ALMOST EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE DIRECTED IN THE SAME DIRECTION. AND THAT IS ISOLATING AND PICKING APART OUR COMMUNITY IN ORDER TO, TO SCARE PEOPLE ICE DESCENT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE COMMUNITIES OF, OF MIXED FAMILIES AND, AND OF, YOU KNOW, IMMIGRANTS TERRIFIED. AND SO I THINK THAT, THAT, IF I UNDERSTAND THE THRUST OF THE LETTER, WHICH I BELIEVE THAT I DO, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS HOW DPD WILL TREAT THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS AND WHETHER DPD WILL SIGN OVER ITS AUTHORITY AND ITS MANPOWER TO WHICHEVER FEDERAL AGENCY OR OPERATION LONE STAR OR WHATEVER STATE OR FEDERAL AGENCY IS TRYING TO DIVIDE AND, AND VICTIMIZE THE CITY OF DALLAS. SO WE DON'T, BUT WE DON'T HAVE CLARITY ON WHAT THE CHIEF'S OUTLOOK IS BECAUSE HE GAVE A, A VERY DIRECT ANSWER. BUT HE SAID HE WOULD PROVIDE MORE OF A MEMO OR MORE CLARITY ON WHAT HE MEANS BY THAT, SO, RIGHT. BUT WE'RE NOT THE CHIEF. WE ARE US. AND, AND THE LETTER IS ABOUT OUR OPINION. YOUR MIC WENT OFF. AND ACCORDING TO THE MOTION, I THINK ON THE TIMELINE IS WE WOULD RECEIVE THE, THE MEMO LETTER FROM DPD CHIEF READ WHAT HIS RESPONSE IS. CORRECT. AND THE, UH, POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD DRAFT A LETTER TO SEND TO THE ENTIRE BOARD. UM, CAN I SPEAK TO IT AS THE CHAIR OF THE POLICY COMMITTEE? YES. SO, UH, IT WILL BE COLLABORATIVE, MR. JACKSON, AND WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH, AND WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE INTO THAT PROCESS, WE CAN, UM, AND TO MODIFY THAT LETTER, I DON'T THINK WE JUST NEED TO TAKE MR. FREEMAN'S LETTER AND JUST RUN WITH IT. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I BE MORE THAN HAPPY AS A CHAIR OF POLICY COMMITTEE TO FACILITATE THAT PROCESS. AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE NEED SAFEGUARDS WE NEED TO PUT IN PLACE WITH THAT PROCEDURE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT, IT REPRESENTS EVERYBODY. WE CAN DO THAT. MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, MR. FRIEDMAN? UH, I, I WOULD, I WOULD A COUPLE THINGS. UM, ONE TO THE POINT ABOUT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DOESN'T OUTRANK DPD AND WE [01:55:01] DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. SO I DON'T CONTROL WHAT THEY DO OR DON'T DO. BUT WHAT I DO HAVE OVERSIGHT OF IS THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND THAT'S MY CONCERN, UM, TO, UH, MS. GRINNER ALLEN'S POINT. UM, THE POLICE CHIEF'S GONNA DO WHATEVER HE'S GONNA DO. I MEAN, HE'S THE POLICE CHIEF. HE WORKS FOR THE CITY MANAGER. UM, BUT I, I FEEL THAT IT'S OUR ROLE TO EXPRESS OUR VIEW AND HOW WE FEEL TO HIM, AND THEN HE CAN INCORPORATE THAT INTO HIS DECISION MAKING PLANNING IF HE SO CHOOSES. UM, I ALSO THINK, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO WAIT FOR A RESPONSE ON FRIDAY. UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE KNOW HOW, WE ESSENTIALLY KNOW HOW WE FEEL AND WE CAN START COMPOSING SOMETHING. UM, AND THEN IF HE SAYS SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF HE COMES BACK ON FRIDAY AND SAYS, WELL, ACTUALLY, I CHANGED MY MIND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA WORK WITH ICE. OKAY, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT. UM, BUT I, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S REALLY A PURPOSE IN WAITING. I THINK WE COULD GET STARTED AS SOON AS, AS POSSIBLE, UM, IN TERMS OF EXPRESSING TO THE CHIEF HOW WE AS A BOARD FEEL, OR AT LEAST I'M SORRY, HOW WE, HOW A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD FEELS. SO I JUST FOR CLARITY, I KNOW YOU STATED THAT THE SHERIFFS DON'T OUTRANK DPD. RIGHT. AND, AND I, I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT, FROM LEGISLATIVE STANDPOINT, DOES NOT THE, THE SHERIFF HAVE MORE, AND, AND, AND CORRECT ME IF, IF THERE'S A BILL THAT'S PUT IN PLACE BY THE STATE OF TEXAS OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND IT'S MANDATING THE SHERIFF TO PARTICIPATE BASED ON A CERTAIN NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, CONSTITUENTS, ARE THEY NOT THE ONES WHO DISSEMINATE HOW THAT'S DONE REGARDLESS OF HOWEVER MANY CITIES ARE WITHIN THAT COUNTY? THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO. I'M NOT SAYING THAT IF THERE'S A CRIME SCENE, ONE PERSON SHOWS UP. I'M SAYING IF THERE'S A BILL THAT SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT A SHERIFF HAS TO PARTICIPATE OR THEY DON'T PARTICIPATE, OR THEY LOSE FUNDING, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SPEAKING OF FROM A HIERARCHY STANDPOINT. BECAUSE DO, DO, DOES NOT DPD FALL UNDER, I DON'T SAY UNDER BECAUSE THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT AGENCIES, BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, DOES, DOES THE SHERIFF NOT HAVE THE MOST, I HATE TO USE THE WORD POWER, BUT ARE THEY THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BE, I DON'T KNOW, THE, THE BILLS DIRECTLY GO TO THEM AND THEY DISSEMINATE HOW IT'S DONE, OR MAJOR DID THE POLICE HAVE TO, LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ANY MANDATES THAT COME THROUGH FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT? I'M ASKING THIS JUST STRICTLY BECAUSE I DON'T PERSONALLY KNOW, BUT OTHERS MAY NOT EITHER. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT, MR. MAJOR GREER, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT? I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON THAT. THAT SOUNDS MORE LIKE A LEGISLATIVE, UM, QUESTION, UM, REGARDING THAT SPECIFIC BILL AND WHAT IT MANDATES THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT DO. OKAY. BUT, AND, AND I KNOW THAT YOUR, YOUR POSITION IS THAT WE'RE JUST STATING HOW THE MAJORITY FEELS ABOUT HIS STATEMENT AS IT RELATES TO THE ENFORCEMENT OR HOW DALLAS POLICE WILL, WILL STEP IN AND WORK WITH, WITH FEDERAL AGENTS, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. CHAIRMAN? YES. MR. WADSWORTH D WADSWORTH, DISTRICT 12. OKAY. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS RESPONDING TO AN EXECUTIVE ORDER BY THE US PRESIDENT, NOT A STATE LAW IN TEXAS, NOT A PENDING LAW IN TEXAS. BUT, AND, AND A COPY OF IT IS IN YOUR BOOK, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A COPY OF IT RIGHT HERE IN THE BOOK. YOU CAN READ IT WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, STRENGTHENING AND UNLEASHING AMERICA'S LAW ENFORCEMENT TO PURSUE CRIMINALS AND PROTECT INNOCENT CITIZENS. THERE'S A WHOLE LOT IN HERE ABOUT DEFENDING POLICE OFFICERS IF THEY'RE ACCUSED OF ILLEGALITIES. WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR BUSINESS. IF SOMEONE MAKES A COMPLAINT ABOUT A POLICE OFFICER'S CONDUCT, THAT IS OUR BUSINESS. SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT DOES THE NEW POLICE CHIEF THINK ABOUT AN EXECUTIVE ORDER, NOT A LAW, BUT AN EXECUTIVE ORDER, AND HOW FAR IS HE WILLING TO GO WITH THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER? I MEAN, THAT'S THE QUESTION FOR ME THAT I WANNA KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT IN HERE THAT IS JUST SO, YOU KNOW, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S GONNA DO THIS AND ATTORNEY GENERAL LOOK UP THIS, AND I'M THINKING, PAM BOND DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THAT MUCH TIME. I, I DON'T KNOW WHO THE PEOPLE ARE THAT'S GONNA BE LOOKING AT THIS. IT'S VERY CONFUSING. YES. AND, AND I APPRECIATE YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. I AM AWARE OF THAT AS WELL. I'M, I'M JUST SAYING, I KNOW THAT WE, WE HAVE BEEN KIND OF COMBINING OUR TOPICS TODAY, SO FORGIVE ME IF I SOUND IGNORANT FOR ASKING A QUESTION. I, I, I DEFINITELY CAN READ WHAT'S PUT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT AGAIN, I STILL DON'T AGREE THAT WE SHOULD PUT OUT SOMETHING WITHOUT HEARING A RESPONSE FROM THE POLICE CHIEF. I FEEL LIKE IT'S ONLY RESPONSIBLE THAT WE GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS THAT, [02:00:01] UH, OTHER, UH, COUNT, UH, BOARD MEMBER HAS HERE AS IT RELATES TO THE TIME BEING OF THE INCIDENTS. I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS THAT THE GENTLEMAN WHO PRESENTED IT HAS AS WELL. BUT I JUST THINK THAT IN ALL FAIRNESS, WE SHOULD ALLOW AT LEAST SOME SORT OF RESPONSE. AND, AND IF WE DO CALL, UH, CALL, UM, A MEETING THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR NORMAL TIMES OF MEETING, I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF THAT. UM, BECAUSE IT JUST KIND OF SEEMS LIKE WE'RE JUST TALKING TO THE POLICE CHIEF AND NOT ALLOWING HIM TO RESPOND THAT THAT'S ALL JUDGE LANDER. UM, DISTRICT EIGHT, WE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THE POLICE CHIEF, BECAUSE THAT'S WHY WE'RE GETTING THE, UH, LETTER FROM HIM ON ON FRIDAY. UM, SO IT'S NOT LIKE HE'S NOT GONNA BE HEARD. WHAT WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO DO IS TO REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD, AND WE HAVE TO REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. AND IF WE BELIEVE THAT THE POLICE CHIEF OR THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO DO SOMETHING, UM, THAT MAY BE, UM, QUESTIONABLE, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO LET THEM KNOW THAT WE SEE THAT JONATHAN MAPLES. UM, YEAH, I, I, I TOTALLY AGREE, UH, JUDGE, AND, AND, AND DR. SMITH, I, I AGREE WITH YOU AS WELL BECAUSE AS, AS MR. KENNER SAID, HE GAVE A STATEMENT TO WFAA, NOW HE'S GONNA GO BACK AND DO A, HE GAVE, HE GAVE A STATEMENT TO WFA, THEN HE'S GONNA GO BACK AND DO A WRITTEN STATEMENT FOR CLARITY. SO I THINK WE SHOULD BE PROACTIVE AS IT RELATES TO PUTTING SOMETHING TOGETHER, ROUGH DRAFT, UH, AND THEN COLLECTIVELY, YOUR SUBCOMMITTEE GETTING IT. WE ALL TAKE A LOOK AT IT, WE ALL COME TOGETHER AND WE DECIDE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IT WILL BE THE MAJORITY'S OPINION AS TO SB EIGHT. AND AS IT WAS SAID, HOW FAR IS HE GO WILLING TO PUSH, UM, THIS AGENDA THAT'S COMING FROM DC THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. MAPLES. JUST TO, TO, UH, RECAP, THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW, UH, TO, UH, SEND A MEMO TO, UM, DALLAS POLICE CHIEF. AND WHAT WE WOULD DO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, IS WE WOULD SEND THAT AS WE WOULD SEND IT TO THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS SUBCOMMITTEE WILL BE WAITING FOR THE, UH, DPD CHIEF'S MEMO TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE. AND WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, WE WILL CALL A SPECIAL SESSION ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO A VOTE. IF I COULD, UH, MAKE A MODIFICATION OF THE MOTION. AND THAT IS THE, UM, BOARD WOULD SEND A LETTER IF IT IS DETERMINED TO BE NECESSARY, SO THAT MODIFICATION HAS BEEN MADE, IF THE LETTER IS NECESSARY, IF THE LETTER IS NECESSARY. SO WHAT TO VOTE ON THAT, THAT MODIFICATION. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING IN LIGHT OF JUDGE, UH, LAN'S, UH, MODIFICATION. AND THAT IS THE SUBCOMMITTEE WILL BRING IT BACK TO THIS BODY WHO WILL VOTE ON THAT LETTER AS, UH, RECOMMENDED BY THE, THIS SUBCOMMITTEE. JUST, OKAY. SO THAT CAN BE, UH, THIS COULD BE OKAY THEN, THEN IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO, MY, MY, UH, MODIFICATION IS NOT NECESSARY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WITHOUT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE THIS, UH, TO A VOTE. WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE. UH, I HAVE A DISCUSSION. OH, YES. OR A STATEMENT, MORE OR LESS. YES. UM, THANK YOU MR. FREEMAN FOR YOUR, UH, COMMENT. YOU USED THE WORD FASCISM. UM, BEING A TEACHER AND BEING EVEN MORE SO A, HIS A LOVING HISTORY, THE WAY THAT, UM, UH, IT'S THE UGLY WORD, BUT THE NAZIS GOT IN, IS THEY CAME THROUGH, THROUGH THROUGH THE S AND THE GESTAPO, THROUGH FEAR OF THE PEOPLE. AND WHEN I HEAR THE WORD ICES AND SEE THE, THE FOOTAGE BEHIND WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND HOW THEY'RE DOING IT, I THINK OF THE, UH, SS IN THE GESTAPO, THE WAY THAT HE CAME INTO POWER TO, TO ISOLATE A CERTAIN PEOPLE, OR SHOULD I SAY A, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE NOT LIKE HIM, IS THROUGH FEAR. AND THROUGH THAT, THE GUY ENDED UP WHERE HE WAS AND DID WHAT HE DID. SO WHEN YOU SAY TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE, THAT'S WHY IT'S OF THE ESSENCE. BECAUSE IF WE START HAVING A COMMUNITY THAT'S AFRAID OF THE POLICE AND SOMETHING WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE VOICE OF IN HELPING THEM, BECAUSE IT, THEY, THAT CAN BE A CHALLENGING THING FOR THEM. UM, IF WE START TO ACT ACCORDINGLY AND, AND KIND OF BAGG AWAY FROM THAT, THAT'S HOW THAT, ESPECIALLY IN OUR PRESENT [02:05:01] CLIMATE CAN HAPPEN. SO YEAH, WE NEED TO BE WORKING A LITTLE BIT SWIFT ON THAT. THANK YOU, MR. PEGRAM. ONE LAST COMMENT. LET'S TAKE IT TO A VOTE. SEE, SO ONE MORE THING. UM, AND THIS, I'M ONLY GONNA SAY THIS BECAUSE OVER THE PAST TWO WEEKS, I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO ARE EITHER, UH, UNDOCUMENTED THEMSELVES, UH, AND ARE VERY CONCERNED WITH WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN HERE WITH THE NEW CHIEF. AND ANOTHER THING THAT COMES UP A LOT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I WORK IN PUB, I WORK ON PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES, RIGHT? UM, IS, AND WHEN I TELL PEOPLE THAT I'M A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD, THEY, THEY HAVE A PERCEPTION THAT WE WORK FOR THE POLICE. UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M CONSTANTLY HAVING CONVERSATIONS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY TO CHANGE THAT NARRATIVE AND CHANGE THAT IDEA WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WE ARE JUST SET UP AS KIND OF A DOG AND PONY SHOW FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND SO I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT IN TIMES LIKE THIS, SOMETIMES THE ONLY POWER THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR SOFT POWER THAT WE HAVE IS TO SAY HOW WE FEEL IN OUR POSITION ON CERTAIN THINGS. WE DID IT IN THE DONNELL LANE CASE. WE DID IT IN, IN, IN OTHER INSTANCES. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO, I MEAN, I'M SPEAKING TO THE, THE QUESTION OF THE VALUE OF US DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS. UM, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO THAT, PARTICULARLY THAT WE ARE HERE TO HAVE OVERSIGHT OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND A BIG PART OF THAT IS ALSO, I KEEP GOING BACK TO THIS, IS PUBLIC TRUST BETWEEN THE POLICE AND THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? AND SO I TALK TO PEOPLE EVERY DAY THAT QUESTION OUR JOB AS BEING THE OVERSIGHT BOARD OVER THE PUBLIC TRUST OF THE COMMUNITY. SO I THINK ACTIONS LIKE THIS ARE VERY IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING IN THE COMMUNITY, TO SEE WHERE WE ARE AND WHO WE ARE AS A BOARD, AND THAT WE TAKE, WE'RE TAKING OUR JOB SERIOUSLY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WITHOUT ANY FURTHER COMMENT, LET'S TAKE THIS TO A VOTE AND WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL. VOTE ON THIS. AND IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION THAT'S BEEN MADE, UH, THE APPROPRIATE RESPONSE IS, YAY. IF YOU ARE NOT IN FAVOR, THE APPROPRIATE RESPONSE IS NAY. WE'LL GO, UH, DISTRICT BY DISTRICT, UH, DISTRICT ONE, LEY SMITH. YAY. DISTRICT TWO. JONATHAN MAPLES. YAY. J. DISTRICT THREE. HANAH HIGGIN. JAY, DISTRICT FOUR. YAY. DISTRICT FIVE, BRIAN BALL. YAY. DISTRICT SIX, DERRICK PEGRAM. YAY. DISTRICT SEVEN, TIM JACKSON. NAY. IS THAT NAY? NAY? DISTRICT EIGHT, JUDGE LANDER. YAY. DISTRICT NINE, ALLISON GREEN ALLEN. YAY. DISTRICT 10, JENNY KING, DISTRICT 10. YAY. DISTRICT 11, ARLENE STEIN, FIELD DISTRICT 11. YAY. DISTRICT 12 D WADSWORTH. DISTRICT 12. YAY. DISTRICT 13, DISTRICT 14, DISTRICT 14. BRANDON FRIEDMAN. YAY. DISTRICT 15, JOHN MARK DAVIDSON. AND I VOTE YAY. MOTION PASSES. SO WE'LL UH, PASS THIS ON TO THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE, AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU ALL. AND, UH, WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT, WE'LL SCHEDULE A SPECIAL SESSION FOR US TO MEET AND TO DISCUSS THIS LETTER AND VOTE ON, UH, OUR RESPONSE AS A BOARD. THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT GREAT DISCUSSION. I THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT, VALUABLE, UH, THIS IS WHY WE'RE HERE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. UH, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM SEVEN, AND THAT IS THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT. WITHOUT ANY FURTHER ADO, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE TO YOU THE DIRECTOR OF THE OCPO, MS. MICHELLE ANDRE. ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED, UM, ENGAGEMENT AND PARTNERSHIP AS WE WORK TOGETHER TO ADVANCE TRANSPARENCY, TRUST, AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND POLICING. UM, JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE EVENTS, UM, THAT I'VE ATTENDED. UM, APRIL 12TH, I WAS HONORED TO PARTICIPATE ON THE IMMIGRATION PANEL FOR LULAC DISTRICT THREE CONVENTION, WHERE WE, WHERE I SHARED SOME OF MY PERSONAL REFLECTION GROWING UP AS A CHILD OF AN IMMIGRANT PARENTS, UM, AND CONNECTED WITH THE STUDENTS FOR UNIVERSITIES AND YOUTH, UM, COUNCILS. AND THEN, UM, APRIL 26TH, I BEGAN PARTICIPATING IN THE DALLAS CITIZEN POLICE ACADEMY CLASS 55. UM, I STOPPED BY THAT SAME DAY WITH THE, UM, DALLAS FARMER'S MARKET TO TAKE PART IN THE EARTH DATE CELEBRATION. UM, THIS PAST WEEKEND, UM, AT THE ACADEMY, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE K NINES AND THE DRONES, AND THEN THE MOUNTAIN UNITS. UM, YOU PROBABLY WILL SEE, YOU KNOW, A PICTURE WITH THE MOUNTAIN UNITS, HORSES, AND OFFICERS THAT WAS POSTED ON [02:10:01] SOCIAL MEDIA. UM, TODAY, UM, MAY 5TH, I ATTENDED, UM, THE JOINT SWEARING IN FOR THE NEW, UM, THE FIRE CHIEF AND THEN AS WELL CHIEF OF POLICE, UM, AT CONCOR CHURCH, UM, ALONGSIDE WITH POLICY ANALYST SIERRA APSU, AND THEN THE CHAIRMAN JOHN MARK DAVISON, AS WELL AS BOARD MEMBERS, UM, YOU KNOW, DERRICK, DERRICK GRAM, AND THEN, UM, AS WELL AS MS. MAPLES. UM, ON MAY 6TH, SIERRA AND I ATTENDED THE POLICE MEMORIAL HONORING OFFICERS WHO MADE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE. UM, AND JUST ONE OF OUR EVENTS THAT WE STARTED COFFEE WITH DIRECTOR ANDRE BRUIN TRUST, UM, THAT WAS LAUNCHED. UM, WE HAD, UM, THAT IN THE FIRST IN DEEP ELLUM. UM, THIS INITIATIVE CREATES A SPACE FOR INFORMAL CONVERSATION BETWEEN RESIDENTS AND MYSELF, UM, ABOUT OVERSIGHT, COMMUNITY CONCERNS AND PUBLIC SAFETY. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE, THE RESIDENTS GET TO KNOW ME. UM, AND I WANNA THANK, UM, THE CHAIRMAN AS WELL, JUDGE LANDER AND DR. GILBERT SMITH TO, FOR STOPPING BY, UM, SUPPORTING. UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY IDENTIFYING SOME CALLED NEW COFFEE SHOPS FOR FUTURE EVENTS. UM, SO IF YOU KNOW OF ANY LOCAL BUSINESSES IN YOUR DISTRICT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE, THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD FIT, PLEASE SHARE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, IN REGARDS TO RIDEALONGS AND ON THIS UPCOMING FRIDAY, UM, THE POLICY ANALYST AND I WILL CONDUCT A RIDE ALONG THIRD WATCH FOR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. UM, OUR GOAL IS TO REALLY, UM, CONDUCT A RIDE ALONG EVERY PATROL DIVISION. WE HAVE DONE ONE FOR CENTRAL DIVISION, UM, BUT WE JUST REALLY WANTED TO SEE SOME MORE, UM, DOWN IN THE CENTRAL. UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY SCHEDULING, UM, ONE WITH SOUTHWEST DIVISION IN JUNE, AND WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY A CONTACT AT NORTHEAST DIVISION CURRENTLY. SO ONE OF THE PROGRAMS I WANTED TO JUST HIGHLIGHT, UM, THE MEDIATION PROGRAM. UM, IN COLLABORATION WITH THE DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION, OCPO IS PREPARING TO LAUNCH MEDIATION PROGRAM FOR RESOLVING MINOR, UM, MISCONDUCT COMPLAINTS. SO WE'VE HAD MEDIATION, UM, MANAGER IN THE PAST, BUT WE'VE NEVER REALLY SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED A MEDIATION. I DON'T THINK IT EVER GOT UP AND RUNNING. UM, AUTHORIZED UNDER DALLAS CITY CODE CHAPTER 37, ARTICLE THREE, SECTION 37 DASH 32.2. UM, THE PROGRAM WILL OFFER RESPECTFUL, UM, COMMUNITY CENTERED ALTERNATIVES TO TRADITIONAL INVESTIGATION. JUST ENCOURAGE AND DIRECT DIALOGUE BETWEEN OFFICERS AND COMPLAINANTS. UM, A FULL PRESENTATION ON A PROGRAM, UM, WILL BE DELIVERED AT THE JUNE, UM, CPOB MEETING. I WANTED TO JUST HIGHLIGHT ONE OF THE NEW THINGS, OUR NEWSLETTER. SO I HOPE YOU'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE NEW, UM, NEWSLETTER. NEWSLETTER TITLED MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD, STAY INFORMED. UM, IT HAS BEEN SHARED WITH CITY LEADERSHIP, COMMUNITY PARTNERS, AND THE PUBLIC. UM, THIS QUARTERLY PUBLICATION AIMS TO STRENGTHEN PUBLIC AWARENESS, ENGAGEMENT, AND TRANSPARENCY AROUND OUR OVERSIGHT WORK. UM, IN REGARDS TO OUR DASHBOARD, WE'RE SCHEDULED TO PRESENT THE TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY DASHBOARD TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE ON JUNE 3RD, UM, PENDING APPROVAL. UM, WE PLAN TO LAUNCH THE DASHBOARD PUBLICLY VIA OUR WEBSITE. UM, THIS DASHBOARD WAS DEVELOPED IN PARTNERSHIP WITH DBI. UM, THIS TOOL WILL PROVIDE THE PUBLIC WITH DETAIL UPTODATE DATA ON EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINTS FILE WITH OCPO AND DPD, UM, DPD ARREST DATA. IT'S GONNA HAVE, UM, COMPLAINTS, TRANS BY TYPE AND DEMOGRAPHICS, AND THEN, UM, ACCOMMODATION AND POSITIVE POLICE OFFICER'S FEEDBACK. THIS DASHBOARD WAS PREVIEWED AT THE JANUARY 14TH, A MEETING OF THE CBOB FOR FEEDBACK. WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH, UM, COMMUNICATIONS AND CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE 3 1 1 TO FINALIZE UPDATES AND OBTAIN APPROVAL FOR THE OCPO, UM, ENHANCEMENT TO OUR WEBSITE, ENSURING THAT OUR WEBSITE IS FULLY OPTIMIZED AHEAD OF THE DASHBOARD LAUNCH. UM, I'M WORKING CURRENTLY, UM, ON CREATING A CRITICAL INCIDENT REPORT, WHICH PROVIDE THE BOARD TIMELY UPDATES ON THE HIGH PROFILE AND SENSITIVE, UM, INCIDENTS INVOLVING DPD. UM, SO I'M WORKING ON A DOCUMENT THAT WOULD REGULARLY JUST SHARE THAT UPDATE. UM, AND THEN JUST ALSO, I BELIEVE THE CHAIRMAN MENTIONED CHAIRMAN CUOMOS WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND TONIGHT'S MEETING, UM, AS HE HAD A SCHEDULING CONFLICT, BUT HIS FORMAL INTRODUCTION TO THE CPOB HAS BEEN RESCHEDULED FOR JUNE 10TH MEETING. UM, JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT QUICKLY, UM, REMAIN FOCUSED ON JUST REFINING OUR OPERATION, ENSURING ALIGNMENT WITH OUR MISSION TO CONNECT WITH COMMUNITIES, COLLABORATE WITH KEY PARTNERS, AND THEN COMMUNICATE WITH PURPOSE. UM, SO I'M PROUD [02:15:01] OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE THUS FAR AND JUST LOOK FORWARD TO FOR MEANINGFUL, UM, COMMUNITY CENTERED POLICE OVERSIGHT IN DALLAS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, DIRECTOR, UH, ANDRE FOR AN AMA AMAZING JOB WITH OCPO, AND WE CONTINUE TO BE IMPRESSED AS A BOARD ON WHAT YOU'RE DOING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS TO, UH, TO THE DIRECTOR AT THIS TIME? OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, WE'LL NOW MOVE TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, AND THAT IS SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR REPORT WITH OUR VERY OWN SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR, GREG HUFF. UH, WE HAVE THREE ITEMS THAT HE'LL DISCUSS TODAY. UH, THE FIRST IS A CRITICAL INCIDENT BRIEFING, UH, DEATH IN CUSTODY, AND THEN ITEM B IS AN OCPO INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION. UH, PER THE, THE BYLAWS OR THE, UH, THE DIRECTOR DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO INITIATE AN INVESTIGATION ON HER OWN. AND THIS IS A SPECIFIC CASE THAT SHE FELT COMPELLED TO, UH, BEGIN AN INVESTIGATION. SO WE'LL HEAR A BRIEF, UH, A BRIEFING ABOUT THAT CASE, UH, A SHORT BRIEFING, UH, AND WE'LL HEAR LATER THE RESULTS OF THE INVESTIGATION AT A DIFFERENT MEETING. AND THEN FINALLY, UH, THERE IS AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW REQUEST, UH, FOR FARHAD B, WHICH WILL VOTE AS A BOARD ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD LIKE THE OFFICE TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION. SO, ANY, ANY FURTHER ADO, I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE IN INVESTIGATOR OF OCPO. GREG HUFF, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU, CHAIR. I, WE'LL START WITH THE CRITICAL INCIDENT ON APRIL 29TH, 2025. AT APPROXIMATELY 12:37 AM DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICERS CONDUCTED A TRAFFIC STOP AT THE INTERSECTION OF CF HAHN FREEWAY AND NORTH JIM MILLER ROAD. THE STOP WAS INITIATED BECAUSE THE VEHICLE'S LICENSE PLATE WAS LINKED TO HORACE GROVES II, A 55-YEAR-OLD MALE WITH TWO OUTSTANDING FELONY WARRANTS. DURING THE STOP, OFFICERS RECOVERED FIVE BAGGIES CONTAINING SUSPECTED COCAINE AND TWO STOLEN HANDGUNS. GROVES REPORTED FEELING UNWELL AT THE SCENE. DALLAS FIRE RESCUE RESPONDED AT 1:50 AM AND AFTER AN ASSESSMENT, THEY MEDICALLY CLEARED HIM. FOLLOWING THIS GROSS WAS TRANSPORTED TO THE SOUTHEAST PATROL STATION FOR QUESTIONING AT APPROXIMATELY 3:02 AM SHORTLY AFTER THE INTERVIEW HAD BEGAN, HE COLLAPSED. OFFICERS IMMEDIATELY IN INITIATED FIRST AID WHILE AWAITING DALLAS FIRE RESCUE. DALLAS FIRE RESCUE ARRIVED AND PRONOUNCED HIM DECEASED AT 3:39 AM. AS PER PROTOCOL, THE DALLAS COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED. THE TWO FELONY WARRANTS AGAINST HIM WERE FOR AGGRAVATED SEXUAL ASSAULT AND BURGLARY. THIS IS THE FIRST DEATH IN CUSTODY INVOLVING DALLAS, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT. THIS YEAR, THE DALLAS POLICE SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS UNIT WILL CONDUCT AN INTERNAL INVESTIGATION, AND CONCURRENTLY THE DALLAS COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WILL CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE, UM, CRITICAL INCIDENT INVESTIGATOR? WAS THERE ANY VIDEOS THAT WE'RE GONNA SHOW ON THIS ONE OR, UM, ON THE CRITI ON THE, UH, CRITICAL INCIDENT? DO WE HAVE A VIDEO? IS THAT YEAH, WERE THERE ANY VIDEOS THAT WE WERE GONNA SHOW? I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR TONIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD REGARDING THE CRITICAL INCIDENT? I TAKE IT THAT BECAUSE OF THE REPORT, YOU'LL KEEP US INFORMED AS TO THE RESULTS OF THE INVESTIGATION BY DPD? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. SCENE, THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION INITIATED BY DIRECTOR ANDRE. OKAY. UH, NEXT IS THIS INDEPENDENT INITIATED INDEPENDENT REVIEW. ON NOVEMBER 23RD, 2024, DEVON LEACH SUBMITTED A COMPLAINT TO THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT REGARDING A TRAFFIC STOP. LEACH ALLEGED THAT DURING THE ENCOUNTER, OFFICER WOLFERT SAW A HOLSTER, FIREARM AND LEACH'S VEHICLE AND STATED, I WILL SMOKE YOU. AND THAT WAS HIS COMPLAINT. A REVIEW OF THE BODY-WORN CAMERA SHOWS THE INTERACTION BETWEEN OFFICER WOLFHARD AND DRIVER LEACH. WHEN THE TRAFFIC STOP WAS, UM, CONDUCTED, IT STARTED WITH THE DRIVER STATING, HOW ARE YOU DOING TODAY, SIR? OFFICER RESPONDED, DOING WELL, IS THERE AN EMERGENCY TODAY? THE DRIVER RESPONDED BACK IN A UNINTELLIGIBLE, WE COULDN'T HEAR WHAT IT SAID ON THE BODY-WORN CAMERA, BUT THEN OFFICER WOLFHARD STATES, LET ME GET THE DRIVER'S LICENSE, MAKE SURE YOU KEEP YOUR ACTUALLY, AND THAT WAS HIS FRAGMENTED, UH, SENTENCE THAT HE GAVE AND APPEARS FROM WATCHING THE BODY-WORN CAMERA THAT AS HE MAKES THIS FRAGMENTED SENTENCE, HE COULD SEE THE HANDGUN INSIDE THE VEHICLE. THAT'S WHY HE KIND OF STOPS AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY, AND AT THAT TIME, THE DRIVER SAYS, YOU WANT ME TO MOVE IT? AND APPEARS HE'S REFERRING TO THE HANDGUN. AND OFFICER REPLIES, NO, DON'T EVEN TOUCH IT. THE DRIVER SAYS, YES, SIR. OFFICER WOLFER THEN SAYS, [02:20:01] IF YOU TOUCH IT, I'M GONNA SMOKE YOUR ASS. I'M JUST GONNA BE REAL WITH YOU. OKAY. THE DRIVER THEN SAYS, I'VE NEVER BEEN PULLED OVER BEFORE. OFFICER THEN STATES, PUT YOUR HANDS UP ON TOP OF THE STEERING WHEEL FOR ME. GIMME THAT. KEEP YOUR HANDS ON THE STEERING WHEEL. IF THEY MOVE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BIG PROBLEMS. OKAY. AND TO CLARIFY, WHEN HE SAYS, GIMME THAT, IT APPEARS HE'S, LOOK, HE'S REFERRING TO THE DRIVER'S LICENSE. UH, THE STOP CONTINUES WITH NO, YOU KNOW, NOTHING FURTHER REALLY TO REPORT. UH, HE ENDS UP ISSUING A, A CITATION TO THE, THE DRIVER, UM, INTERNAL AFFAIRS, UH, REVIEW OF IT. THEY REVIEWED IT AND DECIDED IT SHOULD BE ROUTED AS A DIVISION REFERRAL, MEANING THE INVESTIGATION WOULD NOT BE DONE AT INTERNAL AFFAIRS. IT WOULD BE DONE AT THE DIVISION LEVEL. UM, IT WAS CONDUCTED BY A SERGEANT GLADNEY. SERGEANT GLADNEY REVIEWED THE INCIDENT AND CONCLUDED THAT OFFICER WILFORD UTILIZED A TRAINED TECHNIQUE KNOWN AS VERBAL JUDO WHEN RESPONDING TO WHAT HE PERCEIVED AS A POTENTIALLY DEADLY FORCE ENCOUNTER. UH, SERGEANT GLADNEY MADE A FINDING OF EXONERATED FOR THAT INVESTIGATION. UM, AND DESPITE THIS DETER DETERMINATION, SERGEANT GLADNEY RECOMMENDED TRAINING FOR OFFICER WILFORD TO IMPROVE HIS CHOICE OF WORDS IN FUTURE SITUATIONS. UM, THE OCPO INQUIRED INTO THE DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE EXONERATION, UH, FINDING AND THE RECOMMENDATION FOR TRAINING. 'CAUSE THOSE TWO DID NOT SEEM TO FIT TOGETHER. UM, BASED ON THAT, IT WAS SENT TO A LIEUTENANT HARRELL, UM, FOR REVIEW, AND LIEUTENANT HARRELL DETERMINED THAT OFFICER WOLFHARD'S ACTIONS ALIGNED WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS CODE OF CONDUCT SECTION 4.14, WHICH ALLOWS FOR THE USE OF FIRM LANGUAGE IN ESCALATING SITUATIONS. AND LIEUTENANT HAROLD DEEMED THAT WOLFHARD'S RESPONSE WAS NECESSARY, APPROPRIATE AND CONSISTENT WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT STANDARDS FOR OFFICER SAFETY AND SITUATIONAL CONTROL. THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT CONDUCTED A PRELIMINARY REVIEW OF THIS DIVISION REFERRAL AND BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE, AND THE REVIEW DID NOT SUPPORT, I SAY THEY DID NOT SUPPORT THE CONCLUSION THAT THIS WAS AN ESCALATING SITUATION, GIVEN THAT BOTH OFFICER WILFORD AND THE DRIVER REMAIN CALM DURING THE EXCHANGE. THE NECESSITY OF OFFICER WOLFORD'S WORDING COMES INTO QUESTION. THIS RAISES A POTENTIAL POLICY VIOLATION REGARDING THE OFFICER'S CONDUCT, AND THAT LEADS US TO THE, UH, DIRECTOR INITIATED INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION PER DALLAS CODE. IF THE DIRECTOR DISAGREES WITH THE FINDINGS OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION INVESTIGATION, SHE MAY INITIATE AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION GIVEN THE, THE CONCERNS IDENTIFIED IN THIS REVIEW AND INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN INITIATED TO DETERMINE WHETHER OFFICER ER'S CONDUCT WAS APPROPRIATE AND ALIGNED WITH DPD POLICIES. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. HUFF. ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS INVESTIGATION FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME? JUDGE LAND DISTRICT EIGHT, WHAT IS, UH, OUR RESPONSIBILITY WITH RESPECT TO THIS INVESTIGATION? ARE WE SUPPOSED TO SAY YAY, NAY, OR WHAT? THIS IS AN INVESTIGATION THAT'S INITIATED BY THE DIRECTOR, UM, THROUGH THE ORDINANCE. SHE HAS THAT, UH, ABILITY. SO WE'LL JUST AWAIT THE RESULTS AND, UH, THAT'S FINE. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO KNOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? HONOR? YES. MR. WINTER ALLEN, HAVE WE REACHED OUT TO THE DRIVER? NO, I HAVE NOT YET. NO. OKAY. MR. MAPLES? YES. SO THE INVESTIGATION IS BECAUSE OF THE LANGUAGE WHEN HE YES. WHEN HE, WHEN HE SAID, I'LL SMOKE YOUR ASS. CORRECT. OKAY. THANKS. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE RESULTS OF THIS IN INVESTIGATION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME? SMITH? UH, I DON'T HAVE A QUE WELL, I KNOW MAYBE, UH, THE MAJOR CAN ANSWER IT, BUT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT, UH, THE DIRECTOR INCLUDE IN HER REPORT THE DEFINITION OF VERBAL JUDO, SO WE KNOW, UH, WHAT THAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS. UH, I DON'T KNOW MAJOR, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD ELABORATE ON, THAT, THAT'S A TERM THAT, UM, WAS USED, YOU KNOW, SOME TIME AGO. BUT BASICALLY WHAT THAT IS, IS LANGUAGE TO DEESCALATE A SITUATION BEFORE, UM, HIGHER LEVELS OF FORCE ARE NECESSARY DEESCALATE, I WOULD THINK THE OPPOSITE, OPPOSITE . SEE, THERE'S NO MORE [02:25:01] QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD REGARDING THE OCPO INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION. WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO THE RESULTS OF THIS INVESTIGATION, AND WE'LL AS A A BOARD LISTEN TO THIS INVESTIGATION AND VOTE ON OUR RESPONSE AT A LATER MEETING. SO GOOD LUCK WITH THAT INVESTIGATION. CORPORATE GOES WELL. I'D LIKE TO NOW GO TO AGENDA ITEM. OH, ONE MORE COMMENT. DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH. I DID HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. UM, WHAT WAS HE CITED FOR? HE WAS PULLED OVER FOR SPEEDING AND FOR HAVING, UM, COVERS ON HIS LICENSE PLATES, THOSE CLEAR PLASTIC COVERS. AND, AND HE DIDN'T RECEIVE A CITATION FOR THE GUN BEING ON THE SEAT? NO, HE DID NOT RECEIVE A CITATION FOR THE GUN. YEAH, BUT IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE WITHIN REACH AS, AS LONG AS IT'S HOLSTERED, IT'S LEGAL HOLSTER. IT WAS HOLSTERED. YES. AND GREAT NEWS. WE'LL HEAR A LOT MORE ABOUT THIS CASE A LITTLE BIT LATER. SO, UH, ANY OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE, I'M SURE WE'LL BE ABLE TO DISCUSS, UH, WHEN THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION IS PRESENTED TO US AS A BOARD. SO, SEEING THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, WE'LL MOVE NOW TO AGENDA ITEM EIGHT C, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION OF INDEPENDENT REVIEW REQUEST. UH, THERE IS A POTENTIAL CASE FOR INDEPENDENT REVIEW ON FARHAD BAGARI AND THE, UH, MR. HUFF WILL SHARE WITH US AS A BOARD THE DETAILS OF THIS, UH, THIS CASE. AND WE AS A BOARD WILL VOTE ON WHETHER, UH, WE WANT TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION. AND, UH, LIKE PAST MEETINGS, WE DISCUSSED IF WE AS A BOARD CHOOSE THAT THIS IS NOT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW, OR WE AS A BOARD DON'T FEEL THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE INDEPENDENT, UH, THAT WE'D LIKE THE OFFICE TO SPEND, UH, THEIR TIME TO INVESTIGATE INDEPENDENTLY. WE WOULD ALSO NEED A MOTION THAT WE DO NOT CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, AND WE'LL VOTE TOGETHER AS A BOARD. SO I'D LIKE TO NOW PASS THE, THE MIC OVER TO INVESTIGATOR HUFF FOR THIS BRIEF OVERVIEW, AND THEN WE AS A BOARD CAN ASK QUESTIONS, THEN ULTIMATELY, I'D LIKE TO SEE A MOTION. THANK YOU. ON FEBRUARY 20TH, 2025, FARHAD BEGAR SUBMITTED A COMPLAINT AGAINST THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT THROUGH THE OFFICE OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT. FAR HAD ALLEGED THAT OFFICER DIXON CONDUCTED AN IMPROPER INVESTIGATION AS IT RELATED TO TRAFFIC COLLISION IN WHICH FARHA WAS THE PASSENGER. FARHA SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT OFFICER DIXON WAS TOLD THAT THE DRIVER DID NOT SUFFICIENTLY UNDERSTAND ENGLISH WAS IN SHOCK AND WAS REPRESENTED BY LEGAL COUNSEL. HOWEVER, OFFICER DIXON STILL QUESTIONED THE DRIVER. OFFICER DIXON WAS TOLD THE DRIVER HAD SURGICALLY IMPLANTED CORRECTIVE LENSES. HOWEVER, OFFICER DIXON FALSELY CONCLUDED THAT THE VICTIM WAS NOT WEARING GLASSES OR LENSES. OFFICER DIXON BLATANTLY OMITTED IMPORTANT DETAILS FROM THE CRASH IN VIOLATION OF TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE FIVE 50.062. OFFICER DIXON REFUSED TO INSTRUCT THE OTHER DRIVER TO PROVIDE THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE IN VIOLATION OF TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE 5 5 0 0.023. OFFICER DIXON'S CONCLUSION OF THE CAUSE OF THE COLLISION WAS TAINTED BY BIAS. A REVIEW OF THE POLICE REPORT THAT OFFICER DIXON WROTE, HE HAD LISTED DRIVER ONE AS MURDA GREG AND DRIVER TWO AS DYLAN DUBUC. OFFICER DIXON WROTE AN OPINION ON THE CAUSE OF THE COLLISION AND STATED THAT THERE HE WAS UNABLE TO DETERMINE FAULT DUE TO CONFLICTING STATEMENTS AND NO INDEPENDENT WITNESSES. A REVIEW OF THE BODY-WORN CAMERA SHOWS OFFICER DIXON ARRIVING ON THE SCENE WITH HIS PARTNER, OFFICER TURNER. OFFICER DIXON CONTACTS DRIVER, DYLAN DUBUC AND GETS A QUICK STATEMENT FROM HIM. AND THAT DRIVER STATES THAT THERE WAS NO ONE, NO ONE ELSE IN THE VEHICLE. HE WAS THE ONLY DRIVER, NO PASSENGERS. OFFICER TURNER MAKES THE MOST CONTACT WITH MURDA BRIAR. UM, AND WHEN HE MAKES THAT INITIAL CONTACT WITH MEDA MCGARRY, FARHA MCGARRY DOES ADVISE OFFICER TURNER THAT MURDA IS IN SHOCK. FARHA STATES THAT HE IS A PASSENGER IN THE CAR. FARHA AND MURDA BOTH EXPLAINED TO OFFICER TURNER HOW THE COLLISION OCCURRED, AND FARHA AND MEDA PROVIDE THEIR IDENTIFICATION TO OFFICER TURNER. AND THEN AN UNKNOWN FEMALE ASKED FOR THE OTHER DRIVER'S INFORMATION AND OFFICER TURNER ADVISES IT'LL BE IN THE REPORT. UM, THE FEMALE THEN BASICALLY SAYS THAT SHE'S GONNA GO CONTACT THE OTHER DRIVER AND GET HIS INFORMATION ANYWAYS. AND WHEN SHE COMES BACK, OFFICER TURNER ASKS HER IF THEY HAVE EXCHANGED INFORMATION AND THE UNKNOWN FEMALE SAYS THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE OTHER DRIVER'S LICENSE INFORMATION. UM, OFFICER TURNER SAYS THAT PERSON DOESN'T HAVE TO GIVE IT TO HER. THAT'LL ALL BE IN THE REPORT. AND THEN HE PROVIDES HER WITH A, UH, REPORT NUMBER FOR THE CASE. UM, WHILE AT THE SCENE, OFFICER TURNER ASKED MEAD, WHO IS THE DRIVER IF HE HAS GLASSES, AND HE RESPONDS THAT HE DOES [02:30:01] NOT FOR HA AND THE UNKNOWN FEMALE GET INVOLVED IN THE CONVERSATION AND STATE THAT MEAD DOES NOT WEAR GLASSES. OFFICER TURNER ASKS IF MEAD HAD LASIK EYE SURGERY AND ALL THREE RESPOND THAT HE DID NOT. AND THEN FARHAD EXPLAINS THAT MURDA HAD SURGERY IN WHICH LENSES WERE IMPLANTED IN HIS EYES. THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION, PRELIMINARY REVIEW, UH, THEY REVIEWED IT AND SENT A LETTER OUT THAT SAYS, IN PART, AFTER REVIEWING THE INFORMATION PROVIDED IN YOUR COMPLAINT, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THERE IS NO VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES OR PROCEDURES. AND BASED ON THE REVIEW, WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT NO INVESTIGATION IS WARRANTED. UM, THE OCPO THEN CONDUCTED A PRELIMINARY REVIEW, UM, BASED ON FAHARD, BUT GARY'S COMPLAINT, WE CAME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION THAT WE DID NOT FIND ANY VIOLATIONS OF DEPARTMENT POLICY IN THE INVESTIGATION INTO THIS TRAFFIC COLLISION. THANK YOU, MR. HOOF. UH, JUST TO CLARIFY THIS, UM, THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT THAT HAPPENED THAT MR. FARHAD WAS A PART OF THE POLICE CAME TO THE SCENE, AND, UH, THE OFFICER ULTIMATELY DECIDED THAT THERE WAS NO ONE THAT WAS AT FAULT FOR THE ACCIDENT. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. HE WAS UNABLE TO DETERMINE FAULT. SO, UH, THERE WERE NO ARRESTS MADE? NO, UH, BUT THE REPORT WAS, THE POLICE REPORT WAS MADE AND THE POLICE REPORT SAID NO ONE WAS AT FAULT. AND, UH, THIS IS THE COMPLAINT THAT MR. FARHAD, UH, HAS, IS THAT HE FEELS THAT THERE WAS NO, THERE'S A FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE AND ALSO DISCRIMINATION BECAUSE THE, THE POLICE REPORT HE FEELS IS INACCURATE. CORRECT. OKAY. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. AND WHAT ALSO, UH, PRESENT THE TIME ANYONE IN THE BOARD TO, DIDN'T THE POLICE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR CLARIFICATION BEFORE MOTIONS MADE? JUDGE LANDER DISTRICT EIGHT? DIDN'T THE POLICE REPORT SAY THAT, UM, THEY WERE UNABLE TO DETERMINE WHO WAS AT FAULT? NOT THAT NO ONE WAS AT FAULT? I THINK THERE'S A BIG, AS SHE JUST SAID, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT. RIGHT? HE WAS UNABLE TO GET CLARIFICATION TO DETERMINE FAULT, UNABLE TO DETERMINE WHO WAS AT FAULT. UM, MY ONLY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THIS UNKNOWN FEMALE AND HOW HER CONVERSATION IS EVEN IN THIS. AND WHAT, WHAT, UM, YOU DETERMINED ABOUT THAT, IF ANYTHING? UH, THE PRELIMINARY REVIEW JUST, SHE APPEARS TO BE A FAMILY MEMBER OF, OF THE COMPLAINANT IN WHAT'S THAT? WAS SHE IN THE SAME CAR? IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT SHE WAS ACTUALLY IN THE CAR. YOU KNOW, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS ONLY MEDA AND FOR HARD THAT WERE IN THE VEHICLE AT THE TIME. SO I DON'T KNOW IF SHE ARRIVED AFTERWARDS. YOU KNOW, SOMEONE HAD CALLED HER OR IF SHE WAS FOLLOWING, I'M NOT SURE THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF HOW SHE ARRIVED ON THE SCENE. OKAY. I I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT THE OFFICER SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST IDENTIFIED WHO THIS WAS. SHE HE WAS HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH, BUT THAT'S NOT THAT BIG A DEAL. SO THAT YOUNG LADY WAS ADVOCATING THAT HIS VISION WASN'T IMPAIRED. UH, I SHE WASN'T IDENTIFIED, BUT SHE WAS ADVOCATING THAT HE HAD HAD SOME TYPE OF EYE SURGERY AND THAT THERE WAS A LENS INSTALLED IN THE EYE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT, AND THUS HE DID NOT HAVE TO HAVE GLASSES. IF HE HAD HAD LENSES INSTALLED, HAVING HAD LENSES INSTALLED, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT IS TRUE. THE SOUL HERE LIES THE FAULT. . ANY OTHER FUR UH, QUESTIONS, UH, FOR MR. HUFF REGARDING ANY CLARIFICATION OR ABOUT THIS CASE? JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT. I WOULD, UH, MAKE A MOTION THAT NO FURTHER INVESTIGATION BE MADE ON THIS MATTER. THERE'S BEEN A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? LAUREN GILBERT SMITH. SECOND. THERE'S BEEN A MOTION THAT'S BEEN SECONDED. BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I HAVE ONE QUESTION. DO WE, DO WE KNOW WHETHER THIS, UM, REPORT IS COMING FROM A, LIKE DID THIS INTERFERE WITH ANYBODY'S INSURANCE CLAIMS OR ANYTHING? IS THAT WHAT'S GOING ON? I CAN ONLY SPECULATE. I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT. OKAY. SORRY. NEVERMIND. NEITHER. AS A 26 YEAR INSURANCE AGENCY OWNER, WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION? I MIGHT BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU AN ANSWER. I'M JUST WONDERING BECAUSE I, THERE WAS A POLICE REPORT THAT SAID THAT THERE WAS NO DETERMINATION OF FAULT. I'M WONDERING WHAT ANYBODY GOT UPSET ABOUT. UM, IT, THE WAY I READ IT, THEY GOT UPSET NOT ABOUT THE DETERMINATION OF FAULT, BUT THE WAY HE WAS TREATED. WAS THAT WHAT YOU THOUGHT INVESTIGATORS? IS THAT WHAT YOU THOUGHT? I THINK MOST OF IT STEMS FROM THE, UH, THE RESTRICTED LENSES. [02:35:01] YEAH, THE RESTRICTED LENSES ON THE, ON THE DRIVER'S LICENSE. YEAH. UM, POLICE OFFICERS WRITE AN OPINION, BUT UNLESS THEY'RE THERE TO WITNESS THE ACTUAL ACCIDENT, IT HAS NO BEARING ON THE INSURANCE DETERMINATION OF HOW THIS, THIS, UM, DAMAGE WOULD BE HANDLED OR INJURIES WOULD BE HANDLED. IT HAS NO IMPACT AT ALL. INTERESTING. THANK YOU. WE'VE HAD A MOTION. IT'S BEEN SECONDED. AND LET'S TAKE THIS TO A VOTE. SEEING THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO NOT CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, UH, PLEASE SAY YAY. YAY. YAY. ALL OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY NAY. THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY AND THE OFFICE WILL NOT BE CONDUCTING AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION ON THIS CASE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. INVESTIGATOR HUFF. THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UM, JUST BEFORE YOU, BEFORE YOU HEAD OUT, UH, HOW MANY, I KNOW WE'VE VOTED IN PAST MEETINGS ABOUT SOME INVESTIGATIONS THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON. HOW MANY RIGHT NOW, INVESTIGATIONS ARE YOU THAT ARE ON YOUR, YOUR PLATE AT THIS TIME? UH, I'M WORKING ON THREE OF THEM RIGHT NOW. OKAY. THEY SHOULD ALL BE READY FOR THE JUNE MEETING. ALL THREE? YES. OH MY. OKAY. ALL THREE ME. ALL THREE. SAY WE, WE CAN'T MISS JUNE. WE GOTTA BE HERE. UH, SO THANK YOU. LOOKING FORWARD TO THOSE INVESTIGATIONS, UM, IN, UH, THE REPORTS IN JUNE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE'LL, UH, WE'LL NOW SKIP BACK TO, UH, THE POLICY ANALYST REPORT. AND, UH, WE HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED SENATE BILL EIGHT, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL BILLS THAT WE'D LOVE TO GET AN UPDATE ON FROM OUR POLICY ANALYST, SIERRA BOSU. SO I'D LIKE TO, UH, RECOGNIZE THE POLICY ANALYST OF THE OCPO SIERRA OBSU TO SPEAK ABOUT THE HOUSE BILL 3 6 4 0 AND THE HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION 1 6 2, AND THEN ALSO SENATE BILL 1637. AND THEN FINALLY THE EXECUTIVE ORDER MEMO. AND I BELIEVE ALL OF, UH, HER REPORTS ARE UNDER THE, UNDER THE TAB FIVE, IS THAT RIGHT? SO YOU COULD FOLLOW ALONG WITH HER, UH, ON YOUR, IN YOUR PACKETS. IF THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT TAB, FORGIVE ME, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S A, I CHAIR RECOGNIZES SIERRA BASUI. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AGAIN, MY NAME IS SIERRA OBSU. I AM THE POLICY ANALYST FOR THE OFFICE. I'LL BE GIVING BRIEFINGS ON AS THE CHAIRMAN STATED HOUSE BILL 34 60, ALONG WITH THIS HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION SENATE BILL 1637, AND AN EXECUTIVE ORDER SIGNED BY THE PRESIDENT ON APRIL 28TH, ALONG WITH A FEW LEGISLATIVE UPDATES. THIS MEMO PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF HOUSE BILL 34 60, AND ITS CORRESPONDING HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION 1 62, WHICH PROPOSES TO EXPAND THE PROSECUTORIAL AUTHORITY OF THE TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL IN CASES INVOLVING CRIMINAL OFFENSES COMMITTED BY PEACE OFFICERS AND THE COURSE OF THEIR OFFICIAL DUTIES. THE ACTION OF A JOINT RESOLUTION IS DEFINED AS A LEGISLATIVE INSTRUMENT USED TO PROPOSE AMENDMENTS TO THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION, RATIFY FEDERAL AMENDMENTS, OR TAKE SPECIFIC FORMAL ACTIONS REQUIRING BOTH CHAMBERS APPROVAL IN CONTRAST TO A BILL A JOINT RESOLUTION PROPOSING A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT DOES NOT REQUIRE THE GOVERNOR'S SIGNATURE, BUT MUST BE APPROVED BY VOTERS IN A STATEWIDE ELECTION. A FEW KEY PROVISIONS FOR HB 3 4 3 6 40 IS THE DISQUALIFICATION OF LOCAL PROSECUTORS FROM PROSECUTING A PEACE OFFICER. IF THE OFFICER IS EMPLOYED BY THE SAME POLITICAL SUBDIVISION THAT THE PROSECUTOR SERVES MANDATING LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TO REPORT CRIMINAL OFFENSES COMMITTED BY PEACE OFFICERS IN THE COURSE OF THEIR OFFICIAL DUTIES TO THE TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MAY EITHER PROSECUTE THE OFFENSE DIRECTLY OR APPOINT THEN EXTERNAL PROSECUTING ATTORNEY FROM A JURISDICTION THAT DOES NOT EMPLOY THE OFFICER INVOLVED. HB 36 40 ONLY TAKES EFFECT IF TEXAS VOTERS APPROVE HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION 1 62 AND THE NOVEMBER 4TH, 2025 ELECTION. THE KEY PROVISIONS OF HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION 1 62 ARE THE PROPOSAL TO AMEND ARTICLE FOUR, SECTION 22 OF THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION. THE AMENDMENT GRANTS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SHARED AUTHORITY WITH LOCAL PROSECUTORS TO PROSECUTE CRIMINAL OFFENSES COMMITTED BY PEACE OFFICERS WHILE PERFORMING OFFICIAL DUTIES. THE PROPOSED BALLOT LANGUAGE THAT VOTERS WILL SEE STATES THAT THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT AUTHORIZES THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO SHARE AUTHORITY WITH LOCAL PROSECUTORS TO PROSECUTE CRIMINAL OFFENSES COMMITTED BY PEACE OFFICERS WHILE PERFORMING OFFICIAL DUTIES. POTEN POTENTIAL IMPLICATIONS FOR DALLAS, IF ENACTED AND APPROVED BY VOTERS, [02:40:02] THESE PROVISIONS WOULD SHIFT PROSECUTORIAL AUTHORITY FOR ON-DUTY PEACE OFFICERS OFFENSES FROM LOCAL DISTRICT ATTORNEYS TO THE TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL OR A STATE APPOINTED PROSECUTOR. IN CITIES LIKE DALLAS WHERE OFFICER INVOLVED FATALITIES OR CRITICAL INCIDENTS OFTEN GO DIRECTLY TO A GRAND JURY FOR IMPARTIALITY, THE GRAND JURY PROCESS WOULD LIKELY CONTINUE BUT UNDERSTATE RATHER THAN LOCAL OVERSIGHT, THIS MEANS DECISIONS ABOUT HOW AND WHEN TO PRESENT CASES, WHAT EVIDENCE TO PRIORITIZE AND HOW TO FRAME CHARGES WOULD BE MADE OUTSIDE THE LOCAL JURISDICTION. WHILE THIS CHANGE AIMS TO PROMOTE NEUTRALITY, IT COULD REDUCE LOCAL ACCOUNTABILITY DEPARTMENTS LIKE THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT MAY NEED TO ADJUST INTERNAL PROCEDURES TO COMPLY WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICES. NEW REPORTING IN COOPERATING REQUIREMENTS IF APPROVED. OVERALL, THE LEGISLATION INTRODUCES A SIGNIFICANT SHIFT IN GOVERNANCE, RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSISTENCY, TRANSPARENCY, AND A BALANCE BETWEEN STATE AND LOCAL CONTROL AND POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? JUDGE LANDER? DISTRICT EIGHT. UM, IS IT, UM, THE OFFICE'S RESPONSIBILITY OR INTENTION TO TAKE A POSITION ON THE BILL ? IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO INFORM THE BOARD OF, IF ENACTED , THE IMPLICATIONS IT MAY HAVE. WELL DODGED MA'AM, WELL DODGED , MADAM DIRECTOR. UM, IS IT, UH, THE OFFICE'S INTENT TO TAKE A POSITION ON THE BILL? ON THIS PARTICULAR BILL? ON THIS PARTICULAR BILL? WE ARE TRACKING IT TO SEE, UM, BUT AT THIS TIME WE DON'T WE'RE, YOU COULD CONDUCT THE WHOLE DEAL ABOUT HOW TO DODGE A QUESTION. YOU'RE TRACKING IT, BUT YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY TAKING A POSITION. I THINK WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL THE VOTERS VOTE. I'M SORRY, I'M, EXCUSE ME. IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT. IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT. YEAH, MAYBE. WELL, IF THE, THE BILL ITSELF, THE HOUSE BILL HAS TO PASS FIRST AND THEN THE JOINT RESOLUTION WILL GO ON THE BALLOT AND THEN VOTERS HAVE TO APPROVE THAT JOINT RESO RESOLUTION. OKAY, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT MY QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY OR DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. 'CAUSE I, AS I READ IT, WELL AS I READ IT, UM, IT, I HAVE DIFFICULTY WITH IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE, THIS IS A PROPER FORUM IN WHICH TO UM, EXPRESS THOSE DIFFICULTIES. I THINK THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. I MEAN, I THINK YOUR CONCERNS ARE VALID. UM, AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A POSITION, YOU KNOW, IT'S OF TO THE BOARD. MR. CHAIRMAN, DO WE TAKE POSITIONS ON SITUATIONS LIKE THIS? UH, I FEEL LIKE, AND THIS IS IN SOME WAYS, LIKE SENATE BILL, UH, THIS LETTER, I THINK IF WE AS A BOARD VOTE TO WRITE A MEMO, MAJORITY, MAJORITY WOULD RULE ON THAT MEMO RULE SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS BILL THAT WE PRESENTED LAST MEETING, HOW WE PROVIDED AN IMPACT, HOW IT WILL IMPACT, UM, THE CITY OF DALLAS AND OUR OPERATIONS. THAT'S A SUGGESTION. WELL, KNOWLEDGE IS WONDERFUL, BUT DOING SOMETHING IS EVEN BETTER. AND ONE GOOD THING IS WE DO HAVE A POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE WHERE I DO BELIEVE, UM, THIS YEAH, YOU'RE PART OF THAT , UH, IN SOME WAYS, YOU KNOW, THIS, UM, THAT SUBCOMMITTEE IS, IS FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UH, DISCUSSION AS WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE, UM, REFERRED THIS TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE . SO THERE'S BEEN A MOTION TO, UH, ASK THE POLICY POLICY COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT THIS BILL AND, UH, TO DETERMINE A RESPONSE. I HAVE JUST A QUICK QUESTION BEFORE WE DECIDE ON ANY OF THAT. SIERRA, WE ARE, UM, COMING UP ON EVERYBODY'S FAVORITE HOLIDAY SIGNY DIE. UM, AND WE'RE GETTING TO THE PLACE WHERE A HOUSE RESOLUTION CAN'T GET CALENDARED ANYMORE. HOW CLOSE IS THIS TO SLIPPING THROUGH THAT CRACK INTO OBLIVION? UM, I BELIEVE THIS BILL DID NOT MOVE MUCH. IT WAS LEFT IN COMMITTEE PENDING, SO. ALRIGHT. , THANKS. YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I RETRACT MY MOTION, BUT I THINK THE, I THINK THE QUESTION IS, WHEN IS THE DEADLINE FOR THE HOUSE TO CONSIDER BILLS? I KNOW THAT'S NO. WHEN IS THE DEADLINE FOR THE HOUSE TO CALENDAR BILLS [02:45:01] AND THAT'S ALREADY PASSED. I THINK THAT DEADLINE IS AT 10:00 PM TONIGHT. THURSDAY AT MIDNIGHT IS THE DEADLINE FOR THE HOUSE TO CONSIDER HOUSE BILLS. AND THE 28TH IS THE DEADLINE FOR THE HOUSE TO CONSIDER SENATE BILLS. CAN WE MAKE A MEMO JUST LIKE SUGGESTING THAT THEY JUST CLOSE EARLY FOR, FOR HOUSE BILLS WITH JOINT, UH, RESOLUTIONS? I BELIEVE IT WAS TODAY, I THINK. OKAY. UM, TONIGHT, YEAH. SO TO BE ON THE COUNTER. SO WE DO HAVE MOTION ON THE TABLE, A MOTION ON, ON THE FLOOR. SHE WITHDRAWN. OKAY. YEAH, I DON'T THINK SO. THAT MOTION IS WITHDRAWN. MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. MR. FREEMAN JUST, JUST MAKE A GENERAL POINT ABOUT THIS. THE, THE STATE BILLS WITH THE STATE LEGISLATURE, I, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WITH IMMIGRATION AND WHAT I SAID, THAT WAS INDIRECT RESPONSE TO SOMETHING THAT THE POLICE CHIEF SAID, AND WE EXERCISED DIRECT OVERSIGHT OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND I, I, AS PREPOSTEROUS AS I PERSONALLY MAY FEEL SOME OF THESE BILLS ARE, UM, I THINK WE'RE KIND OF SPINNING OUR WHEELS, UM, OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW TAKING A POSITION ON THE EAST. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THAT'S A GREAT POINT. THANK YOU MR. FRIEDMAN. APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY, WELL, WE DO HAVE, UH, TWO MORE, UH, BILLS THAT, UH, MS. MS. OBSU IS GOING TO BE SPEAKING ABOUT HOUSE BILL 3 6 4 0 HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION 1 6 2 AND ALSO SENATE BILL 1637. IF YOU WANNA GO THROUGH ALL THREE OF THOSE AND THEN WE CAN, UH, PAY ATTENTION TO EVERYBODY. AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT SPECIFIC PORTIONS OF THESE BILLS, WE CAN ADDRESS MS. OBSU. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. SENATE BILL 1637 SEEKS TO AMEND SECTION 2205 DEADLY CONDUCT OF THE TEXAS PENAL CODE TO PROVIDE STATUTORY EXEMPTIONS FOR POLICE OFFICERS ACTING IN THE LAWFUL DISCHARGE OF THEIR OFFICIAL DUTIES. DEADLY CONDUCT IS DEFINED AS RECKLESSLY ENGAGING IN CONDUCT THAT PLACES ANOTHER PERSON IN IMMINENT DANGER OR SERIOUS BODILY INJURY. A FEW KEY PROVISIONS OF SB 1637 ARE AMENDING THE PENAL CODE 2205 SUBSECTION C TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE CLARIFYING THE LEGAL PRESUMPTION OF RECKLESSNESS AND DANGER WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL KNOWINGLY POINTS A FIREARM AT OR IN THE DIRECTION OF ANOTHER. SB 1637 CLARIFIES THAT THIS PRESUMPTION SHALL NOT APPLY TO PEACE OFFICERS WHEN LAWFULLY DISCHARGING THEIR OFFICIAL DUTIES. SB 1637 ALSO PROPOSES THE ADDITION OF PENAL CODE 2205 SUBSECTION F THAT EXEMPTS PEACE OFFICERS FROM SUBSECTION B ONE, WHICH CRIMINALIZES RECKLESSLY PLACING ANOTHER IN IMMINENT DANGER OF SERIOUS BODILY INJURY. IF THE OFFICER IS LAWFULLY PERFORMING THEIR, THEIR DUTIES UNDERCURRENT TEXAS LAW POINTING A FIREARM OR IN THE DIRECTION AT OR IN THE DIRECTION OF ANOTHER PERSON, CONSTITUTES A PRESUMPTION OF RECKLESSNESS AND IMMINENT DANGER REGARDLESS OF THE ACTOR'S INTENT OR BELIEF ABOUT WHETHER THE FIREARM IS LOADED. IF ENACTED SENATE BILL 1637 WOULD CREATE A STATUTORY EXEMPTION FOR PEACE OFFICERS STATING THAT THIS PRESUMPTION DOES NOT APPLY WHEN AN OFFICER IS LAWFULLY DISCHARGING THEIR OFFICIAL DUTIES. IF SB 1637 IS ENACTED, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT MAY NEED TO UPDATE THE GENERAL ORDERS, PARTICULARLY THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE POLICY GENERAL ORDER 9 0 6 AND RESPONSE CONTINUUM GENERAL ORDER 9 0 1 TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN CONDUCT THAT IS LEGALLY EXEMPT UNDER STATE LAW AND BEHAVIOR THAT MAY STILL BE SUBJECT TO INTERNAL REVIEW OR DISCIPLINARY ACTION UNDER DEPARTMENTAL POLICY. I ALSO WANTED TO KNOW THAT SB 1637 WAS AMENDED AND PASSED BY BOTH CHAMBERS, SENATE AND HOUSE, BUT THE SENATE REFUSED TO CONCUR WITH THE HOUSE AMENDMENT ON MAY 5TH. THE SENATE THEN REQUESTED A CONFERENCE COMMITTEE AND APPOINTED EE TO NEGOTIATE A FINAL VERSION OF THE BILL. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO MOVE TO THE EXECUTIVE ORDER? YEAH, GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH ALL THE BILLS AND WE'LL HAVE A TEMPER QUESTION AT THE END. THE, ON APRIL 28TH, THIS IS THE EXECUTIVE ORDER. SO ON APRIL 28TH, 2025, THE PRESIDENT ISSUED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER AIMED AT SIGNIFICANTLY EXPANDING THE AUTHORITY, PROTECTION AND FEDERAL SUPPORT OF STATE AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. THIS DIRECTIVE OUTLINED SEVERAL INITIATIVES INTENDED TO EXPAND THE ROLE OF FEDERAL RESOURCES AND LOCAL POLICING, INCREASE PROTECTIONS AND SUPPORT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL, AND REASSESS CERTAIN FEDERAL OVERSIGHT PRACTICES. A FEW KEY PROVISIONS OF THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER STATE THAT WITHIN 90 DAYS, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND SECRETARY OF DEFENSE ARE DIRECTED TO INCREASE THE AVAILABILITY OF EXCESS MILITARY AND NATIONAL SECURITY ASSETS TO LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND EVALUATE HOW NATIONAL [02:50:01] SECURITY TRAINING PERSONNEL AND NON-LETHAL TECHNOLOGIES MAY ASSIST WITH LOCAL CRIME PREVENTION EFFORTS. FEDERAL AGENCIES WILL SUPPORT EFFORTS TO IMPROVE OFFICER TRAINING, COMPENSATION, AND WORKPLACE PROTECTIONS. THIS INCLUDES DEVELOPING NATIONAL STANDARDS, SEEKING ENHANCED PENALTIES FOR OFFICES FOR OFFENSES AGAINST LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL, INVESTING IN CORRECTIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND ESTABLISHING STANDARDIZED CRIME DATA COLLECTION PRACTICES WITHIN 60 DAYS. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS INSTRUCTED TO ASSESS CURRENT FEDERAL CONSENT DECREES WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND CONSIDER MODIFICATIONS OR RESCISSIONS WHERE SUCH AGREEMENTS ARE DETERMINED TO HINDER OPERATIONAL EFFECTIVENESS. ADDITIONALLY, THE EXECUTIVE ORDER DIRECTS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO PURSUE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST STATE OR LOCAL OFFICIALS WHO ARE FOUND TO UNLAWFULLY OBSTRUCT LAW ENFORCEMENT OPERATIONS OR VIOLATE CIVIL RIGHTS UNDER THE GUISE OF DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION INITIATIVES THAT RESTRICT POLICING OR ENDANGER CITIZENS. THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER HAS THE POTENTIAL TO SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECT CITIES LIKE DALLAS THAT HAVE IMPLEMENTED CIVILIAN POLICE OVERSIGHT FUNCTIONS BY DIRECTING FEDERAL AUTHORITIES TO REVIEW AND POSSIBLY RESCIND CONSENT DECREES AND OTHER OVERSIGHT MECHANISMS PERCEIVED AS OBSTRUCTIVE. THE ORDER MAY DIMINISH THE AUTHORITY AND STRUCTURE OF LOCAL REVIEW BOARDS. ITS DISMISSAL OF EQUITY-BASED POLICIES COMBINED WITH THE FOCUS OF SAFEGUARDING OFFICERS ACCUSED OF MISCONDUCT, COULD HINDER ONGOING EFFORTS TO ENHANCE ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY WITHIN POLICING. THE INSTRUCTION TO AGGRESSIVELY POLICE COMMUNITIES AGAINST ALL CRIMES IS ANTICIPATED TO ESCALATE ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY, PARTICULARLY IN HISTORICALLY OVER POLICE NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS ESCALATION RAISES CONCERNS REGARDING THE POTENTIAL FOR DISPROPORTIONATE STOPS, THE USE OF FORCE AND CIVIL RIGHTS INFRINGEMENTS. AS A RESULT, THESE DEVELOPMENTS, THESE DEVELOPMENTS MAY CREATE TENSIONS BETWEEN FEDERAL DIRECTIVES AND DALLAS'S ESTABLISHED PUBLIC SAFETY POLICIES, PARTICULARLY CONCERNING REFORM AND THE CULTIVATION OF COMMUNITY TRUST. I DO HAVE LEGISLATIVE UPDATES, BUT I CAN WAIT UNTIL YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED BILLS. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD REGARDING THESE BILLS AND THE EXECUTIVE ORDER PRESENTED BY POLICY ANALYST SIERRA CHU? I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. MS. KING, GEN, JUST GENERALLY SIERRA, UM, HOW, IF WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT PO UH, PARTICULAR LEGISLATION OR AN EXECUTIVE ORDER, WOULDN'T THAT GO THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL OR IS THERE A HIGHER GOVERNING LEGISLATIVE ANALYST BESIDES YOU? OR HOW DOES THIS OFFICE EXPRESS CONCERN ABOUT SOMETHING, UH, WITH CITY LEADERSHIP? UM, CURRENTLY WE'VE JUST BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR OUR LOCAL LEGISLATURES AND DISCUSSING SOME OF THE CONCERNS. DR. SMITH, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT ON THE E EXECUTIVE ORDER? UM, HAS ANY ACTION BEEN TAKEN BY THE CITY COUNCIL? THE CITY COUNCIL? NOT, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. I'M AWARE. AND IN ACKNOWLEDGING OR PO CONSIDERING POLICY CHANGES OR ANYTHING, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT, NO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ADDRESSED TO MS. BUI ABOUT THESE BILLS? SEEING THERE'S NONE, I'D LOVE TO HEAR THE UPDATES THAT YOU, UH, YOU HAVE ON YOUR AGENDA. OKAY, HERE ARE A FEW LEGISLATIVE UPDATES. AS OF TODAY, LAWMAKERS HAVE INTRODUCED 10,815 BILLS AND PASSED 14,001 BILLS HOUSE BILL 29 29, WHICH RELATES TO THE TRAINING FOR PEACE OFFICERS ON INTERACTING WITH PERSONS WITH AUTISM DISORDER. SPECTRUM DISORDER WAS REPORTED FAVORABLY FROM THE HOUSE, HOMELAND SECURITY, PUBLIC SAFETY AND VETERANS AFFAIRS COMMITTEE ON MAY 1ST, 2025 AND APPROVED A COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE THAT CLARIFIED THE INTRODUCED BILL THAT INCLUDED OFFICERS BEING TRAINED IN KNOWING HOW AGE, GENDER, AND ETHNICITY AFFECT A PERSON WITH A DISORDER AS A REQUIREMENT, WHEREAS THE APPROVED COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE DOES NOT. HB 29 29 WAS REFERRED TO AND CONSIDERED BY THE HOUSE CALENDARS COMMITTEE. THE CALENDARS COMMITTEE HAS NOW PLACED THE BILL ON THE GENERAL STATE CALENDAR, WHICH MEANS IT'S SCHEDULED FOR DEBATE ON THE FLOOR AND A POTENTIAL VOTE BY THE FULL HOUSE SENATE BILL 1957, WHICH RELATES TO THE ELIGIBILITY OF A PERSON TO SERVE ON A CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT BOARD, WAS FULLY DEBATED ON THE FLOOR AND PASSED IN THE SENATE ON MAY 8TH, 2025, WHICH INCLUDED PASSAGE ON THE SECOND AND THIRD READINGS WITH THE RECORD VOTE OF 23 YAYS [02:55:01] AND EIGHT NAYS. IT WAS REPORTED IN GROSS WHERE THE FINAL SENATE VERSION WAS PREPARED FOR HOUSE CONSIDERATION. THE BILL WAS OFFICIALLY RECEIVED BY THE HOUSE ON MAY 8TH AND READ FOR THE FIRST TIME ON THE HOUSE FLOOR MAY 10TH, AND REFERRED TO THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON HOUSE COMMITTEE ON INTERGOVERNMENT INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS WHERE IT CURRENTLY REMAINS IN COMMITTEE. IF IT PROGRESSES, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE FOR A COMMITTEE VOTE, HOUSE BILL 24 86, WHICH RELATES TO CERTAIN FILES MAINTAINED BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY REGARDING CERTAIN EMPLOYEES OF THE AGENCY AS OF MAY 12TH. THE BILL WAS READ A SECOND TIME IN THE HOUSE, WHICH IS PART OF THE FLOOR DEBATE ON AMENDMENT PROCESSES. A POINT OF ORDER WAS RAISED AND THEN WITHDRAWN, MEANING AN OBJECTION TO PROCEDURE WAS MADE BUT NOT RETRACT, BUT RETRACTED ON MAY 13TH AT 8:00 AM THE BILL WAS INITIALLY POSTPONED AND AS OF THIS AFTERNOON, IT HAS BEEN FURTHER POSTPONED TO JUNE 3RD. AND AS YOU KNOW, JUNE 2ND IS SIGNY DIE. THIS DELAY FOLLOWED THE WITHDRAWAL OF A POINT OF ORDER, WHICH HAD BEEN RAISED ON THE GROUNDS THAT THE BILL ANALYSIS OR STATED INTENT WAS SUBSTANTIALLY AND MATERIALLY MISLEADING AS PREVIOUSLY STATED IN THE LAST CPOB MEETING, THE DEADLINE FOR THE HOUSE TO REPORT ITS BILL OR JOINT RESOLUTIONS OUT OF COMMITTEE WAS MAY, IS TODAY, MAY 13TH, WHILE THE FINAL OPPORTUNITY TO REPORT SENATE LEGISLATION OUT OF COMMITTEE IS MAY 12TH. AGAIN, JUNE 2ND IS THE FINAL DAY OF SESSION, AND SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2025 IS WHEN MOST BILLS OR LAWS WILL GO INTO EFFECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. OBAGI. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATES? IT APPEARS THAT WE'RE CONTENT WITH ALL THIS GOOD INFORMATION, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. YOU FOR YOUR TIME, FOR YOUR RESEARCH AND FOR KEEPING US UP TO DATE ON THESE LEGISLATIVE BILLS. I ALSO WANNA ADD THAT AS THESE BILLS ACTIVELY AND QUICKLY PROGRESS, I WILL BE SENDING OUT DAILY UPDATES IF I HAVE ANY. OKAY, PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'LL NOW MOVE OVER TO THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT REPORT AND THE CHAIR, UH, WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE SENIOR OUTREACH OUTREACH SPECIALIST ALMA PEREZ. WELCOME MS. PEREZ, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND, UH, WE AS A BOARD EAGER TO HEAR WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY. I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN HARD AT WORK. GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT AN OVERVIEW OF OUR NEWSLETTER LAUNCH AND PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES FROM APRIL, 2025. SO FIRST, AS, UM, OUR DIRECTOR MENTIONED, WE LAUNCHED OUR, UM, OCPO NEWSLETTER. THIS IS A QUARTERLY NEWSLETTER. UM, INTRODUCTION AND PURPOSE IS A KEY TOOL FOR TRANSPARENCY, EDUCATION AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. IT IS DESIGNED TO BE SLEEK, VISUALLY COMPELLING, AND RICH WITH INFORMATION THAT FOSTERS PUBLIC TRUST IN OVERSIGHT EFFORTS. SOME OF THE KEY FEATURES OF THE NEWSLETTER, UH, IT HAS A SPECIAL, A SPECIAL MESSAGE FROM DIRECTOR, UH, ANDRE, UH, WHICH IS FRAMING THE VISION FOR COMMUNITY OVERSIGHT AND COLLABORATIVE POLICING, UM, INTRODUCTION OF THE OFFICE. SO IT GIVES AN OVERVIEW OF OUR MISSION, OUR GOALS, AND THE ROLE IN ENSURING ACCOUNTABILITY AND PUBLIC SAFETY. THE NEWSLETTER ALSO INCLUDED A 100 DAY REPORT, A DETAILED REFLECTION ON PROGRESS CHALLENGES AND ONGOING PRIORITIES. UM, THERE IS A HOW TO FILE COMPLAINT OR COMMENDATION GUIDANCE, UM, FOR RESIDENTS SO THAT THEY CAN ENGAGE WITH OVERSIGHT MECHANISMS, POLICY INSIGHTS, UPDATES ON KEY POLICY DISCUSSIONS, SHAPING POLICING AND ACCOUNTABILITY EFFORTS ON OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT. UH, WE HAVE A SNAPSHOT OF OUR MEANINGFUL INTERACTIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT VISUAL APPEAL. THE NEWSLETTER INCLUDES DYNAMIC IMAGES, SHOWCASING OUTREACH EFFORTS, DIRECTORS ENGAGEMENTS AND COLLABORATIONS WITH DALLAS POLICE COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS, UH, COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDER RESPONSE. UM, SO FAR, UM, WE'VE HAD A STRONG POSITIVE RECEPTION FROM BOTH THE COMMUNITY AND, UH, STAKEHOLDERS. THE NEWSLETTER IS SEEN AS AN IMPORTANT STEP TOWARDS TRANSPARENCY AND ACCESSIBILITY AND OVERSIGHT WORK. FEEDBACK HIGHLIGHTS, APPRECIATION FOR CLEAR STRUCTURED INFORMATION AND ENGAGING VISUALS. SO NEXT STEPS IS A PLAN FOR REGULAR PUBLICATION ON A QUARTERLY BASIS WITH EVOLVING CONTENT THAT REFLECTS [03:00:01] FEEDBACK AND EMERGING PRIORITIES. UH, WE ARE EXPANDING DISTRIBUTION CHANNELS TO ENSURE ACCESSIBILITY ACROSS DIVERSE COMMUNITY GROUPS, AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO USE THE NEWSLETTER AS A PLATFORM FOR EDUCATION, DISCUSSION AND ENGAGEMENT. UH, THE NEWSLETTER IS MORE THAN AN UPDATE, IT'S A STATEMENT OF COMMITMENT TO ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY, AND MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE. LOOKING FORWARD TO ONGOING CONVERSATIONS AND IMPACT THROUGH THIS INITIATIVE. KEY METRICS SEEN ON THIS LAUNCH INCLUDE, UM, AND THERE IS NUMBERS AND A METRIC SHEET, I BELIEVE IN YOUR BINDER, UM, THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER BY, UM, MR. WAL DEER, UM, WHO WASN'T ABLE TO TO BE HERE TODAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO. EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED IT. YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YES. AND THEN I'LL MOVE ON TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. UM, SO FOR THE MONTH OF APRIL, UM, JUST A RECAP OF WHAT WE DID. UM, OUR MISSION AND ACTION THROUGHOUT APRIL, THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TEAM, ADVANCED FOUR CORE OBJECTIVES. ONE, TO RAISE AWARENESS OF THE OCPO AND CPB, UH, CPO'S, PURPOSE AND ROLE NUMBER TWO, TO GATHER MEANINGFUL INPUT FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND STAKEHOLDERS. THREE, TO ENGAGE HISTORICALLY UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES, PARTICULARLY THOSE IMPACTED BY DISCRIMINATION OR POLICE MISCONDUCT. AND FOUR, TO BUILD TRUST AND TRANSPARENCY, INVITING COMMUNITY FEEDBACK ON OUR STRATEGIES. AND THEN BY THE NUMBERS, WE CONDUCTED A TOTAL OF 13 EVENTS, UM, AND ALL COMBINED, UM, WE ENGAGED WITH A THOUSAND 145 ATTENDEES, AND THE EVENTS, UH, THAT WERE HELD IN MAJORITY MINORITY COMMUNITIES WAS 10. OUT OF THOSE 13, THESE FIGURE, THESE FIGURES REPRESENT MORE THAN ATTENDANCE. THEY REFLECT THE RELATIONSHIPS WE ARE BUILDING AND THE TRUST WE ARE EARNING IN NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS DALLAS. HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE FIELD. THE MONTH KICKED OFF WITH A STRONG PARTICIPATION AT THE CRIME VICTIMS RIGHTS RESOURCE FAIR IN DISTRICT 10, WHICH DREW OVER A HUNDRED ATTENDEES. AND THIS WAS AT LAKE HIGHLANDS NORTH RECREATION CENTER, UM, WITH THE OFFICE OF, UH, COMMUNITY AFFAIRS AT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT BUILDING ON, UM, THIS MOMENTUM. THE TEAM COLLABORATED WITH CARDBOARD PROJECT GRADUATION INITIATIVE IN DISTRICT SIX ON APRIL 9TH, 15TH, AND 22ND, REACHING OVER 75 INDIVIDUALS AND REINFORCING OUR COMMITMENT TO EDUCATIONAL AND WORKFORCE OPPORTUNITIES. UH, THEN THROUGH CITY HALL, UM, DALLAS CITY HALL ON THE GO STOPS IN DISTRICT TWO AND SIX, WE HELP TO MAKE CITY SERVICES MORE ACCESSIBLE, ENHANCING CIVIC ENGAGEMENT IN, UH, HISPANIC AND BLACK COMMUNITIES. UM, PART OF OUR CULTURAL CONNECTION AND COMMUNITY BUILDING. WE, UM, RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF CULTURAL REPRESENTATION AND THAT, UM, THE INVOLVEMENT OF OUR DIRECTOR IN THE LULAC DISTRICT THROUGH CONVENTION IMMIGRATION PANEL, UM, IN WHICH SHE WAS A KEY PANELIST. AND, AND WE ENGAGED WITH OVER 70 PARTICIPANTS IN DISCUSSION ON CIVIC LEADERSHIP AND IMMIGRATION. THE PAINTING CONFETTI EGGS EVENT AT THE FIRESIDE RECREATION CENTER CELEBRATED LATINO TRADITIONS WHILE FOSTERING COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS FOR OVER 35 ATTENDEES. FESTIV FESTIVITIES CONTINUE WITH TWO VIBRANT EGG HUNT EVENTS IN DISTRICT TWO AND 13. WELCOMING OVER 400 FAMILIES, REINFORCING INCLUSIVE OUTREACH ACROSS DIVERSE RACIAL AND ETHNIC GROUPS. AND THEN REGARDING SUSTAINABILITY AND ADVOCACY AT THE FARMER'S MARKET EARTH DAY CELEBRATION, 300 ATTENDEES JOINED EFFORTS TO PROMOTE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, SHOWCASING UNIT UNITY THROUGH SUSTAINABILITY INITIATIVES. OUR OUTREACH EFFORTS CULMINATED WITH CHILDREN'S DAY BINO AND NO CLIFF, WHERE A HUNDRED COMMUNITY MEMBERS GATHERED FOR A DAY OF CULTURAL CELEBRATION AND A TOY DRIVE BENEFITING THE DALLAS CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER. AND THAT WAS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICE OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS. UM, THOSE TOYS WERE DELIVERED TO THE DCAC OF THIS EVENING. UM, FINALLY, OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH FAIR HOUSING FOR THE FAIR HOUSING ROADSHOW. IN BICKERING MEADOW, ALONGSIDE DISTRICT 13 COUNCIL MEMBER GAY DONALD WILLIS UNDERSCORED THE IMPORTANCE OF HOUSING, EDUCATION AND EQUITABLE ACCESS TO RESOURCES. SO KEY TAKEAWAYS. OUR OUTREACH IS NOT JUST ABOUT PRESENCE, IT'S ABOUT IMPACT AND AUTHENTIC DIALOGUE. WITH [03:05:01] 10 OF 13 EVENTS IN MAJORITY MINORITY COMMUNITIES, WE ARE ENSURING OUR ENGAGEMENT REFLECTS THE FULL DIVERSITY OF DALLAS. WE ARE NOT ONLY, UH, INFORMING COMMUNITIES, WE ARE LEARNING FROM THEM AND SHAPING OUR STRATEGIES BASED ON THEIR VOICES. VOICES. AND LOOKING AHEAD, UM, WE'RE GEARING UP FOR AN IMPACTFUL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UM, MONTH OF MAY. UM, THERE IS A LIST OF THOSE MAY EVENTS ON PAGE TWO OF THE MEETING AGENDA. UM, BUT I DO WANT TO, UM, I WANT TO MENTION TOO, UM, THE FIRST ONE IS ON MAY 16TH, WHICH IS FRIDAY AT 10:00 AM THIS IS, UM, A SPECIAL OVERVIEW OF THE O-C-P-O-A PRESENTATION AT THE VICKERY MEADOW YOUTH DEVELOPMENT FOUNDATION IN DISTRICT 13, WHERE A GROUP OF MOTHERS WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT AND ITS MISSION TO FOSTER TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY ON MAY 29TH, UH, WHICH IS A THURSDAY FROM FIVE TO SEVEN, UM, I'M ACTUALLY HOSTING MY FIRST EVENT. IT'S THE FAMILY FUND RESOURCE DAY AT FIRESIDE RECREATION CENTER. UM, AND I'M DOING THAT ALONG WITH, UH, PARKS AND REC AT THE FIRESIDE RECREATION CENTER IN PLEASANT GROVE DISTRICT EIGHT. UH, THIS IS AN EXCITING EVENT DESIGNED TO CONNECT FAMILIES WITH VALUABLE RESOURCES IN A WELCOMING FUND FIELD ENVIRONMENT. PARENTS CAN EXPLORE COMMUNITY VENDOR BOOTHS WHILE KIDS ENJOY GAMES, CRAFTS AND ENGAGING ACTIVITIES. UM, AND MAY IS MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS MONTH. AND I, UM, MADE SURE TO HAVE MENTAL HEALTH, UM, NON-PROFITS AT THIS FAMILY FUND RESOURCE DAY. UM, BUT MENTIONING MENTAL HEALTH IN THAT, UM, AS THE EVENT NAME WILL, WOULD PROBABLY DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM COMING, WHICH IS WHY I DIDN'T PUT IT ON THERE. BUT, UM, BEING STRATEGIC IN, IN, UH, CREATING THIS EVENT AND THIS SPACE FOR, UM, FOR PEOPLE TO COME OUT, NOT JUST PLEASANT GROVE PEOPLE, BUT ANYBODY WHO IS INTERESTED IN COMING, COMING AND, UM, ENGAGING WITH THE DIFFERENT, UM, ORGANIZATIONS THAT'LL BE THERE. UM, I ALREADY HAVE CONFIRMED ABOUT 20 DIFFERENT, UM, ORGANIZATIONS AND ALSO CITY SERVICES THAT WILL BE, UM, AT THIS RESOURCE DAY. UM, THESE EVENTS PROVIDE MEANINGFUL OPPORTUNITIES TO ENGAGE, INFORM, AND EMPOWER LOCAL FAMILIES. SO DON'T MISS OUT OUR PRIORITIES. REMAIN CLEAR. DEEPEN PARTNERSHIPS WITH TRUSTED COMMUNITY LEADERS AND ORGANIZATIONS, EXPAND LANGUAGE ACCESS AND CULTURALLY RELEVANT PROGRAMMING. CONTINUE TRACKING IMPACT, NOT, NOT JUST ATTENDANCE. AND WE REMAIN STEADFAST IN THE OCPO MISSION TO LISTEN, TO LEARN, TO LEAD, TO ENHANCE THE TRANSPARENCY AND TRUST BETWEEN THE CITY OF DALLAS, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. PEREZ. REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR GOOD WORK AND, UH, YOUR INVOLVEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE THAT. ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? IT APPEARS WE'RE ALL CONTENT WITH THE INFORMATION THAT YOU SHARED, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. WE'LL, UH, WE'LL NOW, UH, GIVE THE FLOOR TO MAJOR ANTHONY GREER. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UH, HANGING OUT AND, UH, HANGING ON DURING THIS, THIS LONG MEETING. UH, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU, GET THE, YOU THE FLOOR AND, UH, UH, HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR WORLD. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. HEY, YES, SIR. LISTEN, I HAVE TWO ITEMS. UM, ONE OF THE FIRST ITEMS I HAVE IS OUR OFFICE HAS BEEN VERY BUSY OVER THE LAST MONTH SINCE WE MET LAST TIME. WE'VE, UH, STARTED THE DISTRIBUTION OF OUR FLYERS, INFORMATIONAL FLYERS FOR INTERNAL AFFAIRS, WHICH, UM, IMPORTANTLY INCLUDE HOW TO COMMEND OFFICERS. AND IT ALSO GIVES INFORMATION ON THE IAD INVESTIGATIVE PROCESS. UH, WE, UM, DISTRIBUTED, DISTRIBUTED THOSE FLYERS TO 21 LOCATIONS ACROSS EVERY DIVISION ALL ACROSS THE CITY OVER THIS LAST MONTH. UM, SECOND ITEM, THE DIRECTOR ALREADY KIND OF HINTED AT IT, BUT, UH, WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH, UH, SEVERAL ASSOCIATIONS IN AN EFFORT TO GET UP THE, UH, OUR, UH, UH, MEDIATION PROGRAM. AND THOSE MEETINGS HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY FRUITFUL. AND SO, UH, AS WE CONTINUE TO BUILD THAT MEDIATION PROGRAM, WE'LL BE READY TO PRESENT A, A, HOPEFULLY A, A FINAL VERSION TO THE BOARD SO YOU GUYS CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND GIVE YOUR INPUT. BUT, UM, I GUESS WE'VE MET ABOUT THREE TIMES THIS MONTH ALREADY, SO, UH, VERY HELPFUL. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. MAJOR GREER. YES, SIR. REALLY APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR OFFICERS, UH, BEING HERE TODAY. ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FROM THE BOARD TO MAJOR GREER. THANK YOU. WE'RE ALL GOOD. SO, OH, MR. MR. GREENER ALLEN, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR STAYING THIS WHOLE MEETING. IT'S NO PROBLEM. I SAID AS LONG AS YOU GUYS ARE HERE, I'LL BE THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE NOW TO AGENDA ITEM 12, WHICH IS THE MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT. SO [03:10:01] TAKE A LOOK RIGHT NOW AT THOSE REPORTS, AND YOU'LL SEE THERE'S BEEN SOME ADDITIONS TO THE DATA THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU AS A BOARD TO LOOK OVER. UH, BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION WITH THE RIGHT CARE, UH, I THINK THERE WAS A REQUEST TO CONCLUDE THE DATA OF PER DISTRICT OF WHEN THE WRIGHT CARE, UH, IS CALLED TO THE SCENE. AND SO THAT IS, THAT IS INCLUDED WITHIN YOUR DATA. SO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. UH, MAYBE, UM, I'LL GIVE YOU FIVE, SIX SECONDS , AND, UH, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UM, LOVE TO HEAR FROM, FROM ALL YOU SEEING YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO READ ALL THAT DATA. UH, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME? IT APPEARS THOUGH EVERYBODY'S CONTENT, AND IF YOU DO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, OF COURSE, UH, THE PERSON TO ADDRESS THOSE WOULD BE WITH A DIRECTOR. SO YOU CAN EMAIL HER OR TALK TO HER DIRECTLY. AND, UH, YOU MEAN MAJOR GREER? IT DOES LEAVE YOU , I'M SORRY, MAJOR GREER. IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, UH, OR COMMENT, MAYBE, UH, THE DIRECTOR OR MAJOR GREER ON, UH, ANY OF THAT DATA. UH, BUT, UH, CHAIRMAN, SO I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS CHART, YOU KNOW, THESE BIG FIGURES. I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS CHART AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF APARTMENT COMPLEX IN MY DISTRICT WHERE I SEE THERE'S BEEN LIKE FOUR CALLS. SO I WONDER IF THAT'S A CALL TO ONE APARTMENT OR IS IT LIKE MULTIPLE APARTMENTS? DO WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT? SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, UH, WITHIN APARTMENT COMPLEX, IF THE DATA SAYS THERE HAVE BEEN FOUR CALLS TO THAT ONE ADDRESS, IS THAT FOUR SEPARATE CALLS? I MEAN, IS IT DIFFERENT APARTMENTS OR IS IT LIKE THERE'S ONE PERSON THERE THAT'S A PROBLEM? WELL, YEAH, WE'D, WE'D HAVE TO PULL THAT SPECIFIC CALL. OKAY. EACH CALL AND FIND OUT WHERE THE CALLS ARE. OKAY. YOU JUST HAVE THE ADDRESS. I, I CAN LET YOU KNOW. YEAH, I'M SORRY. I'LL LET YOU KNOW. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I'VE GOT ONE WITH FOUR AND THAT JUST KIND OF, YEAH. WHATEVER DATA YOU GUYS NEED, CERTAINLY LET US KNOW AND WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO PULL IT. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BOARD. SEEING THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, UH, FOR THIS MEETING, WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM 13, AND THAT'S THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD REPORTS AND BRIEFINGS. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THE CHAIRMAN REPORT, UH, THREE ITEMS THAT I WANT TO JUST, UH, SHARE. NUMBER ONE, I WANTED TO EXTEND A, A WELCOME TO CHIEF CUOMO TO THE CITY OF DALLAS. I THINK WE HAVEN'T HAD A MEETING, UH, SINCE HE WAS APPOINTED AS CHIEF. AND SO OFFICIALLY ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, WANNA EXTEND A WELCOME, UH, TO HIM TO THE CITY OF DALLAS. UH, THE DIRECTOR AND I HAVE A MEETING WITH HIM ON MAY 27TH AT HIS OFFICE. UH, I AM COMING AS A REP REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS BOARD. I SPEAK FOR ALL OF YOU. SO, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC THAT YOU'D LOVE TO BE ADDRESSED AT THAT MEETING, I AM HERE TO SERVE YOU. SO PLEASE, UH, WE CAN TALK AND COMMUNICATE. UH, BUT THAT'LL HAPPEN ON THE 27TH. AND THEN THE NEXT MEETING IN JUNE, UH, THE POLICE CHIEF WILL BE ATTENDING, UH, HOPEFULLY, UH, BARRING ANY EMERGENCY, UH, AS AN INTRODUCTORY MEETING. UH, HE CAN, HE WANTED TO COME MEET US. UM, AND SO, UH, WE APPRECIATE HIS WILLINGNESS TO COME AND, AND MAKE AN APPEARANCE, BUT I WANTED TO LET THE BOARD KNOW THAT THAT'S THE PLAN FOR, FOR JUNE, BARRING ANY, UH, EMERGENCIES. UH, SECONDLY, I WANTED TO JUST EXTEND, I KNOW IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING, SO, UM, I, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE I GET TEXT MESSAGES OR, UH, EMAILS SENT TO ME OR, OR FACEBOOK POSTS SENT MY WAY ABOUT CERTAIN, UH, COMPLAINTS THAT, OR GRIEVANCES WITHIN, UH, THE CITY OF DALLAS OR THINGS THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED INTO. AND I JUST WANT TO BE PUBLIC IN MY, UH, UM, IN MY COMMENTS THAT WE AS A BOARD, UH, CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNLESS A FORMAL COMPLAINT IS FILED. SO I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE ANYONE OUT THERE, IF THERE IS AN INCIDENT THAT YOU FEEL THERE'S BEEN SOME INJUSTICE OR, UH, ANYTHING THAT YOU FEEL NOT RIGHT WITH. STEP ONE IS TO FILE A COMPLAINT WITH EITHER THE, THE DPD OR THE IAD AND, UH, SORRY, UH, OR THE OCPO AND EVEN, UH, THE OCPO. IT WORKS THE SAME, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LIKE, UH, FILING, UH, AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY WORK IN, IN, IN, IN TANDEM. SO, UH, I JUST WANTED US TO SAY THAT. AND THEN ONCE A FILE, A COMPLAINT IS FILED, THEN IT GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS AS, UH, OUTLINED BY THE ORDINANCE AND THEN HOPEFULLY IT WILL COME TO US, UH, WHEN THAT PROCESS IS SEEN DUE PROCESS. SO, UH, JUST WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND VOICE IT OUT THERE. UH, THAT STEP ONE IS TO FILE THAT COMPLAINT IF THERE IS A PERCEPTION OF INJUSTICE, AND YOU'D LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING FURTHER. THE LAST THING THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS IS JUST, UH, THERE'S BEEN SOME ELECTIONS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND SOME NEW CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, THAT ARE NOW SERVING OUR CITY. AND WE ARE ALL APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, THE MAYOR. AND SO THERE'S AMBIGUITY WELL WITH IF THERE'S A NEW CITY COUNCIL MEMBER. WHAT ABOUT MY ROLE AS APPOINTED, UH, PERSON ON THIS BOARD? SO IN TALKING WITH THE DIRECTOR ABOUT THIS, UH, THE, UH, WHAT WE'VE HEARD IS THAT, [03:15:01] UM, EVERY NEW CITY COUNCIL MEMBER WILL CONTACT EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY. UH, BUT UNTIL THEN, UNTIL YOU HEAR FROM THEM, WE WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS NORMAL. BUT THE PLAN IS FOR THEM, THE NEW NEWLY ELECTED, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, TO EVENTUALLY CONTACT EACH OF US, UM, AND, UH, TO TALK ABOUT OUR ROLE. UH, BUT UNTIL THEN, UNTIL, UNTIL THEY HEAR, UNTIL YOU HEAR FROM THEM, WE ARE TO OPERATE AS NORMAL. SO WANTED TO JUST EXTEND THAT AS A CLARIFICATION FOR ALL OF YOU. UM, WHO, WHOSE COUNSEL MAY BE AFFECTED, UH, WHOSE, WHOSE DISTRICT MAY BE AFFECTED BY A NEW CITY COUNCIL MEMBER. SO, UH, WE'LL GO IN RIGHT NOW AND GET A QUICK UPDATE, A VERY, VERY BRIEF, PLEASE UPDATE FROM THE POLICY RULES BOARD TRAINING AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. UM, MR. HIGGINS IS, HE HAD TO HEAD OUT. OKAY. SO, UH, MR. OBSU, DO YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING IN REGARD TO THE, THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE? UM, SO THE LAST POLICY COMMITTEE WE DID, UM, DECIDE OR REQUEST TO MEET ON JUNE 7TH, SATURDAY FOR A FEW HOURS JUST TO DO A COMPLETE OVERHAUL OF THE ORDINANCE. UM, I'M STILL WAITING ON A FEW RESPONSES TO SCHEDULE THAT, AND THEN I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME VOTES ON LETTERS AND OTHER AMENDMENTS TO CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE WILL ALSO INCLUDE. SO DEPENDING ON THAT SCHEDULING, UM, RIGHT NOW, JUNE 7TH IS THE ONLY DATE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO. WE'RE GOING TO JUDGE LANDER DISTRICT EIGHT AND MEMBER OF THE POLICY COMMITTEE. UM, WE ARE GOING TO ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE ISSUES, UH, OF POLICY WITH RESPECT TO CHANGES, UH, IN THE BYLAWS AND ALL THAT OTHER KIND OF GOOD STUFF ALL AT ONE TIME. AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO HAVE A THREE HOUR MEETING, UH, ON JUNE 7TH, JUST TO GET IT ALL TAKEN CARE OF. THANK YOU, JUDGE. APPRECIATE THAT. YES, DIRECTOR, I THINK YOU MISSED THE PART THAT THERE WILL BE COFFEE AND BREAKFAST TACOS. SO WE WILL FEED YOU. OKAY. AT THE REQUEST OF DAVID KINDER . MAN, YOU MIGHT HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT ATTENDANCE AND WE THANK YOU IN ADVANCE. , IF YOU FEED THEM, THEY WILL COME. UM, RULES COMMITTEE, MS. ALLISON GRINDER. ALLEN, ANY UPDATE FROM YOU? THANK YOU, CHAIR. WE HAD SUCH A PRODUCTIVE RULES COMMITTEE MEETING IN APRIL THAT WE DID NOT FIND IT NECESSARY TO MEET IN MAY. AND, BUT WE WILL MEET AGAIN AT SOME TIME. WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE PARIS. OKAY. ANY TACOS AT YOU'RE MEETING CHAIR? THERE ARE ALWAYS TACOS AT MY MEETINGS, OTHERWISE IT'S, OTHERWISE IT'S NOT A MEETING. BOARD TRAINING. DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, ANY UPDATE FROM YOU? UM, WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING SINCE, UM, MAJOR GREER HAS ALREADY AGREED TO DO THE TRAINING AT OUR MEETINGS. RIGHT? YEAH, JUST , JUST, UH, JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU WANT THE TRAINING PERFORMED AND OH, OKAY. YEAH. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU SO MUCH DR. SMITH. AND FINALLY, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. MR. MAPLES, ANY UPDATE ON, ON YOU, UH, ON THIS COMMITTEE? THANK YOU SO MUCH. I THINK WHAT WAS, PEREZ SHARES A LOT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AND, AND IT WAS A GREAT MEETING WE HAD. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, SO WE, UH, WANT TO NOW MOVE TO THE UPCOMING CPOB MEETINGS. OUR NEXT MEETING IS JUNE 10TH. THIS IS GONNA BE A REALLY GREAT MEETING. I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO, TO BE HERE. UM, I BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE IN THIS ROOM. SIX IAN, IS THAT RIGHT? I BELIEVE THIS, THIS VERY ROOM. SO, UH, ON JUNE 10TH, WE WILL, WE DON'T HAVE A MEETING IN JULY BECAUSE OF THE CITY COUNCIL RECESS. UH, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL RE MEET AGAIN IN AUGUST, SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER. SO PLEASE, I'D LOVE TO SEE EVERYBODY IN JUNE. UH, WE WILL NOW MOVE TO THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT, OPEN MICROPHONE, UH, AT THE END OF OUR MEETING. AND, UM, I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE MS. PRECIOUS SOULS HERE, UH, TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UM, AND YOU KNOW THE DRILL, I'D LOVE FOR YOU TO JUST TURN THE MICROPHONE ON, MAKE SURE IT'S ON, AND, UH, THERE'LL BE A TIMER OF THREE MINUTES. IS THERE A TIMER THAT CAN BE ON THE, UH, THE SCREEN? OKAY, PERFECT. UM, THERE WE GO. I WANT YOU TO HAVE MORE THAN THREE SECONDS. SO YEAH, THREE MINUTES. UH, AND AS AT YOUR CONVENIENCE, BEGIN AND, UH, YOU'LL SEE THE TIMER. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. YOU ARE WELCOME. UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? UM, HI, MY NAME IS PRECIOUS SAS. UM, I COME HERE AGAIN TODAY BECAUSE OF NO HELP WITH, [03:20:01] WITH DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT. UM, EVEN PROVIDING EVIDENCE ABOUT THE STALKING AND HARASSMENT. I'VE MOVED REPEATEDLY BECAUSE OF THIS GROUP. UM, UM, I'M NOW AGAIN BEING EVICTED BECAUSE OF THIS GROUP. I'M CALLING THE POLICE. I'M TALKING REPEATEDLY 9 1 1 REPEATEDLY TO WHERE LIKE, I KNOW I'M GETTING ON THEIR NERVES. I, I'M GET, I'M TIRED OF CALLING, BUT I'M NOT GETTING NO HELP. I, AND SO, UM, UM, ABOUT THE STALKING AND HARASSMENT, LOUD MUSIC BEING PLAYED, DIFFERENT SMELLS ARE BEING BLO INSIDE OF MY APARTMENT. MY MUSCLES, SOMEBODY IS POINTING, USING SOMETHING AND THEY'RE POINTING AT MY MUSCLES TO WHERE, UM, I'M HAVING MUSCLE SPASMS. I'M VERY HEALTHY. I DON'T HAVE ANY LIKE DIABETES, ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE CAUSING ANY LIKE STROBE OR MUSCLE SPASMS. IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE POINTING. AND I'VE REPEATEDLY TRIED TELLING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT THAT, BUT WHEN I, CERTAIN OFFICERS, THEY'RE ASKING ME DO I TAKE ME, IT IS JUST KIND OF HER FOR SLAP IN THE FACE THAT YOU SPEAKING WITH OFFICERS THAT ARE NOT MDS, I DON'T THINK. BUT NO MATTER HOW I PRESENT MYSELF AND IT SEEMS MAYBE THEY KNOW I HAVE A DIAGNOSIS, BUT WHY ARE YOU ASKING ME? AM I NOT STILL A PERSON? UH, IS IT NOT WEAPONS STILL OUT HERE? 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE MISSING WITH EITHER. BUT I'M TRYING MY BEST TO EXPLAIN WHAT I'M BEING VIOLATED BY. AND I DON'T SEE WHY I'M ASKING. DO YOU TAKE MEDICATION? YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THAT GOING? I I DON'T KNOW WHAT MEDICINE'S GONNA GIVE ME A MUSCLE SPASM OR HAVE ME JERKING OR BEING POPPED OR HOW MY MEDICATION WOULD TEAR MY SCREENS OFF MY WINDOWS OR HAVE DIFFERENT MEN TRYING TO COME INTO MY APARTMENT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF MEDICATION THEY'RE TAKING, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M BEING ASKED. AND I, I, IT IS, ITE FRUSTRATES ME TALKING ABOUT THIS 'CAUSE I KEEP COMING DOWN HER. I JUST KEEP BEING PERSISTENT BY TRYING. 'CAUSE THIS GROUP IS NOT GOING TO STOP UNTIL THEY GET CAUGHT. AND I'M STARTING TO BELIEVE THAT MAYBE IT'S SOME OFFICERS THAT ARE INVOLVED THEMSELVES IN THE SITUATION BECAUSE I'M LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO. THEY'RE WRITING REPORTS AND WRITING 'EM OFF AS MIR. THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD ME ABOUT MR. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY. AND THAT, AND IT MAKES ME FEEL LIKE THE REASON WHY THEY'RE DOING THAT, TO STOP AN INVESTIGATION FROM BEING CONDUCTED. AND I'M GIVING THEM PROOF AND EVIDENCE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. BUT I CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO. I AM TRYING MY BEST TO TELL YOU GUYS, AND I AM BEING VIOLATED BY A GROUP AND, AND, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT I MEAN. I'M NOT SEEING THE DUDES WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THE SITUATION, BUT AIN'T NO WAY. I'M BY MYSELF. I HAVE NO PETS AND I'M REPORTING STALKING AND HARASSMENT, BUT I'M BEING PUT OUT FOR STALKING AND HARASSMENT THEN I'M NOT DOING, I DON'T, THIS IS SICK. AND I DON'T KNOW. AND I'M BEGGING YOU GUYS, SOMEBODY, JONATHAN, I THINK THAT WAS YOU THAT DID YOU TEXT ME AND SAID THAT YOU DID A RESEARCH AND YOU DIDN'T FIND NOTHING. THAT WASN'T YOU. I GOT A TEXT MESSAGE FROM SOMEBODY NAMED JONATHAN IN MY PHONE THAT TEXT ME WHEN I COME UP HERE. I KNOW. 'CAUSE I KNOW I GAVE YOU TWO MY NUMBER AND SAID THAT, UM, THAT THEY DON'T FIND AND THAT YOU DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING. YEAH, I'M TALKING ABOUT DECEIT AND I'M NOT SURPRISED, BUT I'M TRYING MY BEST TO TELL YOU THE POLICE AND YOU GUYS TO PLEASE SOMEBODY. PLEASE STEP IN AND HELP ME. THIS IS SICK. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO. HEY, THANK YOU MS. SOLTZ. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. THANK YOU. AND YOU'VE BEEN HEARD, YOU'VE BEEN HEARD, UH, TODAY. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. IS, UH, IS THERE ANYBODY ONLINE AT THIS TIME THAT HAS PUBLIC COMMENT? ALRIGHT, SEEING THERE'S NO ONE ONLINE, UH, I DO WANT TO THE, THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS. AND THERE'S JUST ONE, ONE COMMENT THAT I'D LIKE TO, UH, ADDRESS. AND, UH, THAT IS MS. ALLISON WINTER ALLEN. SHE INFORMED ME TODAY, THIS IS HER FINAL MEETING. I WANNA GIVE HER THE FLOOR, UH, JUST TO SHARE WHAT SHE'D WANTED TO SHARE ABOUT THAT. AND, UH, UH, IT'S A SAD DAY FOR THE OVERSIGHT BOARD 'CAUSE OF HER CONTRIBUTION. IT'S BEEN REALLY, IT'S BEEN MAGNIFICENT. I WANNA THANK ALL OF Y'ALL FOR GIVING YOUR TIME AND YOUR EFFORTS AND YOUR COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS TO THE CITY OF DALLAS BECAUSE IT IS THAT, THAT CONTRIBUTION THAT IS GOING TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE IN, IN WHETHER THE COMMUNITY FEELS HEARD AND AND WHETHER THE DEPARTMENT HAS A LINE TO CONNECT WITH OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO IT HAS BEEN MY EXTREME PLEASURE AND PRIVILEGE TO SERVE ALONGSIDE Y'ALL. AND I HAVE NOMINATED, WELL, I HAVE, I HAVE PUT FORWARD A NAME OF SOMEONE I HOPE THAT MY COUNCILWOMAN WILL NOMINATE IN MY PLACE. HE IS FANTASTIC. A LAWYER, A SPANISH SPEAKER. I THINK THAT HE WILL ADD QUITE A BIT TO THE DYNAMIC. UM, I'M VERY SORRY. I SAD TO, TO LEAVE THE BOARD. UM, I'M GONNA BE RUNNING FOR POLITICAL OFFICE, BUT [03:25:02] I AM VERY, VERY THANKFUL FOR THE EXPERIENCE THAT I'VE HAD AND, AND THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU MR. GR ALLEN. YOU'VE BEEN A GREAT ASSET TO THIS BOARD. SAD TO SEE YOU GO, BUT WE KNOW BRIGHTER, YOU HAVE BRIGHTER HORIZONS AND KNOW WE WISH YOU THE BEST BRIGHTER. WE, WE WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE CLOSE? AND IF THERE ARE NO, UH, I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MS. KING? YES. OH, IT'S A MOTION TO ADJOURN. YES. OKAY. UH, MS. KING MADE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. SECONDED BY DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING THERE IS NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY ADJOURNED. NINE O'CLOCK ON THE ON THE DOT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.