May 14, 2025 City Council Agenda Meetings

>> MS. WILLIS, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON ITEM 8?

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. THIS CAUGHT MY EYE AS WELL, AND SO WE DID SOME INVESTIGATION PRIOR TO TODAY, AND I'LL SUPPORT IT, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY.

THAT IS BECAUSE I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU ARE WANTING TO LOOK AT THESE CONTRACTS FOR QUALIFICATIONS, EXPERIENCE, AND TECHNICAL CRITERIA, NOT JUST THE COST.

THAT GETS INTO A LITTLE MORE PRIVATE SECTOR THINKING, WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE HORIZON OF WHAT THIS CAN DO IN TERMS OF CHANGE ORDERS.

LOTS OF CONTRACTORS AND VENDORS WILL TELL YOU THEY DON'T MAKE MONEY ON THE ESTIMATE OR THE JOB, THEY MAKE IT ON THE CHANGE ORDERS.

I APPRECIATE THE DILIGENCE IN BRINGING SOMETHING FORWARD THAT WOULD IMPROVE OUR PROCESS HERE.

REALLY FROM AN EFFICIENCY STANDPOINT, COLLEAGUES, EVERY TIME WE HAVE TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT VARIES ON THIS COST, THAT CONSUMES TIME WITH YOU ALL.

WE KNOW YOU HAVE TO HIT CERTAIN MEETING DATES AND GETTING IT ON THE AGENDA, AND THAT JUST ADDS TO TIMELINES, AND USUALLY WE ARE JUST WRITING STAFF ABOUT TIMELINES.

IF THIS IS A WAY THAT WE CAN CLOSE THAT AND BE MORE EFFICIENT, I DEFINITELY WANT TO SUPPORT THAT.

I ALSO APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU FOUND A SWEET SPOT.

IT'S CLOSE TO 40%, BUT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED, LOOKING AT BEST PRACTICES AND OTHER MARKETS, WHAT THAT SWEET SPOT IS.

I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I THINK WE NEED TO TRUST OUR EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP ON THINGS LIKE THIS WHEN THEY BRING IT FORWARD, SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRMAN RVIZ, RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON ITEM 8.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'M DEFINITELY SUPPORTING THIS, COLLEAGUES AND MR. MAYOR, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO SAVE US MONEY IN SOME WAY, BECAUSE IT'S MORE EFFICIENT.

IF A CONTRACTOR DOESN'T HAVE TO KEEP COMING BACK FOR CHANGE ORDER.

WITH THE PRICES BEING THE WAY WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING IT, A LOT OF CONTRACTORS KNOW HOW TO CHEAT THAT SYSTEM BECAUSE THEY LOW-BID, THEY WIN, AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND THEY CHANGE ORDER.

THEN THAT MAKES OUR PROJECTS DELAY, AND NOW GETS MORE EXPENSIVE. IT'S ALREADY LATE.

NOW IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE PRICES GO UP AS THE CONTRACT CONTINUES TO GO ON.

I THINK THIS IS WAY BETTER THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT QUALIFICATIONS AS WELL AND PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE EMPHASIS THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME NOT GREAT CONTRACTORS OUT THERE.

EVERY INDUSTRY HAS THEIR NOT GOOD APPLES.

I THINK THIS WILL MAKE IT EASIER FOR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO HELP WEED SOME OF THOSE FOLKS OUT WHEN THE PROCUREMENT IS HAPPENING.

MAYBE IT'LL MAKE SOME OF THOSE NOT-SO-GREAT ONES START TO GET BETTER BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE GETTING CONTRACTS JUST BASED ON LOW BIDDING THE CITY AND THEN GOING, OH, BUT I'LL GET THE REST LATER.

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IT HAPPENS FAR TOO OFTEN, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW THAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR ALMOST EIGHT YEARS.

I THINK I'M 32 DAYS AWAY FROM EIGHT YEARS.

THANK YOU, WE CAN GET THIS ACROSS THE BOARD TODAY, HOPEFULLY, THE FINISH LINE, AND LET'S SEE HOW IT WORKS.

THEN IF IT DOESN'T, WELL, A FUTURE COUNCIL WE CAN ALWAYS TAKE IT BACK IF IT'S NOT WORKING.

I THINK WE NEED TO TRY THIS.

OTHER CITIES ARE ALREADY DOING IT, AND THEY'RE HAVING SUCCESS.

I DOUBT THE CITY OF DALLAS IS JUST GOING TO NOT HAVE SUCCESS BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A STELLAR TEAM HERE IN THE BUILDING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> CHAIRMAN GRACY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ITEM 8.

>> THANK YOU. SARA, I GET THIS IN THEORY.

HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE CONNECTION BETWEEN HOW IT WILL REDUCE CHANGE ORDERS.

>> RIGHT NOW WHEN WE'RE DOING A PROJECT, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE LOW-BID AWARD.

IT IS PURELY BASED ON PRICE, NOT EXPERIENCE, HISTORY, CHANGE ORDERS, WHETHER THEY'RE OWNER-REQUESTED OR NOT OWNER-REQUESTED IN THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS.

THIS ALLOWS US TO BRING IN A POTENTIALLY DIFFERENT LEVEL OF A CONTRACTOR.

WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND WHAT OUR INDUSTRY PARTNERS HAVE SAID IS THAT IT ULTIMATELY DOES END UP REDUCING THAT CHANGE ORDER THRESHOLD, THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO TRACK OVER TIME AS WE LOOK AT THE R OF CFP PROJECTS AND HOW THEY MOVE FORWARD.

IS REALLY ABOUT THE TYPE OF CONTRACTOR THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BRING IN WITH A LITTLE MORE FACTOR THAN JUST PRICING.

>> I DON'T LIKE THE WAY NONE OF THAT SOUNDS TO BE HONEST.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THE TYPE OF CONTRACTOR THAT YOU BRING IN I DON'T LIKE THAT LANGUAGE.

BUT BECAUSE THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS IS AND WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS, I KNOW WE HAVE SEVERAL MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES THAT STILL DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DEFINE MOST QUALIFIED, STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

WHILE I CAN APPRECIATE THE PRICE AND I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR OFF SUBJECT, BUT ALL OF THESE THINGS GO TOGETHER TO AN EXTENT THAT WHERE I'M AFRAID WE'RE STILL GOING TO GET CHANGE ORDERS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS BUT WE NOW GET TO PAY MORE.

I GUESS IT'LL BE A REDUCED AMOUNT, I THINK, FROM THE COST.

IT DOES PUT SOME COMPETITION IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

BUT TO ME, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF CHANGE ORDERS WHEN I THINK I COUNTED 1, 02, 3, 4, 5, SIX ON TODAY'S ITEMS. TWO OF THEM FOR WATER, ONE FOR AVIATION, TWO FROM PUBLIC WORKS, AND ONE FROM PURCHASING FROM THERE.

I'LL BE WATCHING THIS TO SEE, BUT THE OTHER PIECES, I'LL CONTINUE TO SEE HOW WE'RE DEFINING MOST QUALIFIED BECAUSE IT'S STILL UNCLEAR TO A LOT OF BUSINESSES, AND TO YOUR POINT, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS PERHAPS RE EDUCATING THE COMMUNITY, BUT I STILL WANT TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. THANK YOU.

>> YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE WEIGHED IN ON THIS ITEM, AND I WANTED TO SPEAK TO YOUR POINT, COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING, IF YOU WILL RECALL, EARLIER IN APRIL, WE TALKED ABOUT, AND WE SENT OUT A MEMORANDUM THAT SAID THAT WE WERE GOING TO UNDERTAKE AN OVERALL OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY INITIATIVE.

THAT'S LOOKING AT EVERY SINGLE WAY WE DO BUSINESS, AND THAT IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES, WHETHER IT'S ON THE CONTRACTING SIDE, WHETHER IT'S JUST THE ONGOING SERVICE DELIVERY MODELS, DO WE GET MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE SEE HAPPENING IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR? WE ARE NOT GOING TO MOVE AWAY FROM OUR FOCUS ON HOW WE LIFT UP OUR SMALL BUSINESSES AND HOW WE ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO COMPETE, BUT WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE SOLELY BASED ON PRICE.

OFTENTIMES, THERE'S LOCAL EXPERIENCE, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO CONNECT TO WORKFORCE AND DEVELOPMENT.

THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO FACTOR IN, AND I THINK IT ACTUALLY LEVELS THE PLAYING FIELD A LOT BETTER FOR US AND GIVES US OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE A MORE DIVERSE POOL OF CONTRACTORS.

WE'D LIKE TO GET STARTED WITH THIS, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK, SHOW YOU THE DATA, SHOW YOU HOW IT'S WORKING, AND IF IT'S NOT MOVING IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE ARE HOPING THAT IT WILL GO, WE'LL COME BACK PROACTIVELY AND SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL ANY TWEAKS OR ANY CHANGES THAT WE SHOULD BE MAKING BUT THIS, AGAIN, IS A PART OF OUR OVERALL EFFORTS.

TO LOOK AT THE WAYS THAT WE OPERATE, WE'RE STARTING WITH THIS.

THERE'LL BE MANY MORE OF THESE TYPES OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND ITEMS COMING, BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THE PURPOSE OF IT.

IT'S REALLY ABOUT MAKING US BETTER.

MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE CUTTING DOWN ON SOME OF THE BACK AND FORTH, THE DELAYS.

THAT GETS CONFUSING FOR CONTRACTORS AS WELL.

WE WANT TO STREAMLINE AS BEST AS POSSIBLE, LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE INDUSTRY, MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS, AND THEN COME BACK AND SEE HOW WELL IT SERVES THE CITY.

I DO APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS AND THE SUPPORT FOR THIS ITEM THIS MORNING. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES ON ITEM 8.

>> THANK YOU, SARAH. YOU MENTIONED THIS WAS YOUR QUOTE,

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PURELY BASED ON PRICE.

WE DON'T GRADE ANYTHING PURELY BASED ON PRICE RIGHT NOW.

IT'S ONLY 50%, CORRECT?

>> ON A LOW BID CONTRACT, IT IS BASED ON THE PRICE, NOT WITH AN EXPERIENCE FACTOR.

RFCSP DOES ALLOW YOU TO ENTER INTO SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS THAT MATT HAD MENTIONED ON EXPERIENCE APPROACH, SO THIS WOULD JUST ALLOW US TO MAKE DIFFERENT CHOICES AND HOW WE PROCURE CONSTRUCTIONS AS IN ANOTHER TOOL IN A TOOLBOX.

>> WE HAVE LITERALLY TOLD LOWEST BIDDERS THAT THEY WERE NOT QUALIFIED FOR THE JOB, RIGHT?

>> IN THE PAST, BIDDERS HAVE BEEN DISQUALIFIED FOR DIFFERENT FACTORS, YES.

>> WOULD THIS CHANGE PUT AN END TO CHANGE ORDERS?

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD EVER SAY THERE'LL BE AN END TO CHANGE ORDERS.

I THINK THIS ALLOWS US TO HAVE A PROJECT APPROACH AT A NEGOTIATED PROCESS TO BEGIN WITH.

>> BUT A VENDOR WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO COME TO YOU.

>> THEY COULD IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE.

>> THAT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN IT IS TODAY, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES, MA'AM.

>> IT'S INTERESTING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID ABOUT EFFICIENCY AND TIMELINES, AND THIS WILL ACTUALLY SAVE US MONEY, BUT REALLY, THIS IS COSTING US MORE MONEY.

THIS IS NOT INCLUDING LITERALLY PRICE.

YOU ARE SAYING AT 40%, THE CODE SAYS 50% OR MORE.

AT THE END, YOU'RE BUYING SOMETHING MORE EXPENSIVE, AND THE PROPOSERS WILL KNOW THAT THE PRICE THEY PUT IN WILL HAVE A MUCH LESS SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THEIR SCORE AND SO IT TELLS THE MARKET TO DO A HIGHER NUMBER.

THE EXPERIENCE THEY HAVE IS THE EXPERIENCE THEY HAVE.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET MORE OR LESS EXPERIENCE.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.

I THINK THIS IS NOT, ESPECIALLY IN A VERY TOUGH FISCAL SITUATION; THIS IS JUST ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING THAT WE'RE WILLING TO OVERPAY FOR THINGS.

I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD COME TO US WITH SOME INNOVATIVE IDEAS LIKE YOU VENDOR MUST SHOW US YOUR LAST THREE PRIVATE PROJECTS AND WHAT IT COSTS TO DO THAT SAME WORK BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE ARE OVERPAYING, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST IN WATER, I THINK IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD.

I THINK THEY SEE THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND THEY KNOW THAT WE'RE WILLING TO.

SOME OF THAT IS FOR THE BUREAUCRACY THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH, I GET THAT, BUT IT'S BEYOND THAT.

I'VE HAD MANY CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES TELL ME THAT THEY DO CHARGE MORE TO DALLAS THAN ANY OTHER THING THAT THEY BID ON.

THIS IS JUST A WAY OF AT LEAST HOLDING THOSE PRICES IN A MORE MODERATE FORMAT, AND THAT'S WHY I CAN'T SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER.

WILL YOUR OFFICE BE TRACKING THE RESULTS OF THE IMPACT OF THIS ITEM IF IT PASSES TODAY BY TRACKING BID PRICES IN COMPARISON TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR, THE NUMBER OF CHANGE ORDERS, THE SIZE OF CHANGE ORDERS, AND ANY OTHER METRICS THAT YOU THINK ARE APPROPRIATE?

>> THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

WE DEFINITELY WANT TO ENSURE THAT AS WE MOVE IN THIS DIRECTION, HOPEFULLY, IF IT'S SUPPORTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THOSE DATA POINTS THAT WILL ALLOW FOR US TO DETERMINE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF WHAT WE'VE REQUESTED FOR COUNCIL TO SUPPORT TODAY.

I KNOW THAT THIS IS AGAIN AN INITIATIVE THAT'S COMING THROUGH DALLAS WATER UTILITIES, BUT DEFINITELY WANT TO LOOK AT HOW WE MAXIMIZE THE OPPORTUNITY OF LOOKING AT THIS ACROSS THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION.

DEFINITELY WANT TO BRING BACK THOSE DATA POINTS THAT WILL TELL US WHETHER OR NOT IF IT'S WORKING, IF IT'S TRULY ALLOWING FOR US TO BE BETTER, AND HOW WE DELIVER SERVICES FROM A CIVIL WORKS PERSPECTIVE WITHIN THIS DEPARTMENT.

DEFINITELY WANT TO BRING THAT BACK, AND WE'LL DO THAT PROACTIVELY. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

>> I WOULD REQUEST THAT AFTER A SUITABLE PERIOD OF TIME, WHETHER IT BE SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR, THAT YOUR OFFICE REPORT BACK TO THE APPROPRIATE COUNCIL COMMITTEE ABOUT THE RESULTS OF THIS INITIATIVE.

>> WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT INPUT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> MISS. SCHULTZ, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

>> FIVE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JUST VERY QUICKLY, THOUGH, MY QUESTION TO YOU, STEFF, IS JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE WAITING IT AT 36.9, YOU MAY STILL GET THE LOWEST PRICE BID FROM SOMEONE YOU'RE JUST NOT COUNTING THAT AS THE MAJORITY, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES. THAT'S POTENTIALLY CORRECT.

>> SO THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS WE'RE NOT PRECLUDING

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THE IDEA OF GETTING THE LOWEST POSSIBLE BID IN PRICE THROUGH THIS MEASURE.

WHAT WE'RE DOING IS MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE MOST EFFICIENT PRICE THAT MAY ALSO BE THE LOWEST DOLLAR AMOUNT, CORRECT?

>> CORRECT. IT'S THE BEST VALUE APPROACH.

>> THAT'S VALUE. GREAT. THANK YOU.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

CERTAINLY, ANYONE WHO'S EVER WORKED WITH ANY CONTRACTOR OF ANY KIND KNOWS THAT IT CAN BE A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE TO GO ON THE CHEAT. THANK YOU.

>> IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST ITEM 8? SEEING NONE ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? NO OBJECTION.

THE NO? THE AYES HAVE IT.

>> THANK YOU. YOUR NEXT ITEM IS AGENDA ITEM 27.

[27. Authorize a two-year service contract for a pay equity survey for the Department of Human Resources - Salary.com, LLC, only proposer - Not to exceed $175,500.00 - Financing: General Fund (subject to annual appropriations)]

AGENDA ITEM 27, AUTHORIZE A TWO-YEAR SERVICE CONTRACT FOR A PAY EQUITY SURVEY FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RESOURCES SALARY.COM LLC, ONLY PROPOSAL NOT TO EXCEED $175,500.

THIS ITEM WAS PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSON.

>> IS THERE A MOTION? ITEM 27.

IS IT MOVED AND SAY IN DISCUSSION, CHAIRWOMAN, MENDELSON?

>> YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES. ITEM 27.

>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, PLEASE.

CAN YOU TELL US WHAT YOU HOPE TO LEARN FROM A PAY EQUITY STUDY?

>> GOOD MORNING. NINA ARIAS, DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES.

THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSON.

THIS STUDY OR THIS SYSTEM WILL ALLOW US TO IDENTIFY WHATEVER PAY EQUITIES IN PARTICULAR, REGARDING INTERNAL PAY EQUITIES EXIST SO THAT WE CAN PROACTIVELY ADDRESS THOSE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO RETAIN THE STAFF WE HAVE BY ENSURING THAT THEY'RE BEING PAID FAIRLY.

WE ARE SEEKING TO LEARN WHERE PAY INEQUITIES EXIST, AND ALSO WHAT IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE SALARY TO SET FOR NEW EMPLOYEES THAT MAY COME IN AND MAY BE ASKING FOR EXCEPTIONAL PAY OR PAY THAT MAY BE DIFFERENT OR HIGHER THAN THAT OF EXISTING EMPLOYEES.

>> WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU DID THIS STUDY?

>> THIS STUDY IS BEING DONE AT HOC CURRENTLY.

BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES WE HAVE AND THE NUMBER OF STAFF WE HAVE, IT'S DONE AT HOC AND IN A VERY MANUAL WAY.

IT DOESN'T ALLOW US TO REALLY USE THE BEST TOOLS THAT EXIST TO DO IT AND THE DATA THAT WE WILL BE GETTING THROUGH THE VENDOR IS GOING TO BE A MUCH BETTER QUALITY ALLOWING US FOR RESULTS THAT ARE MORE IN LINE WITH COMPLIANCE, AND ALSO THAT LINE WITH BEST PRACTICES, AND ALSO THAT ALLOWS IF THEY'RE CHALLENGED, TO BE ABLE TO SHOW A PROCESS THAT IS MUCH MORE ROBUST AND APPROPRIATE, I WOULD SAY FOR THIS TYPE OF WORK.

>> FOR THE 87,700 PER YEAR, IS THAT GOING TO COVER THE ENTIRE SPECTRUM OF POSITIONS, OR IS THAT JUST A PORTION?

>> IT WILL COVER ALL EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING A UNIFORMED CIVILIAN.

CIVILIANS IN DPD AND FIRE.

FOR UNIFORM FIRE AND POLICE, WE HAVE DIFFERENT OTHER VEHICLES AND OPTIONS THAT WE USE, BUT IT WILL COVER EVERYBODY ELSE.

>> THEN THIS CONTRACT IS ACTUALLY COVERING FUNDING FOR TWO YEARS.

IF YOU DO IT ALL THIS YEAR, IS IT NECESSARY TO DO IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR?

>> ACTUALLY, WE ARE INTENDING TO HAVE A MULTI-YEAR PLAN BECAUSE WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO FIND.

IF IT'S NOT NECESSARY FOR US TO DO THE SECOND YEAR, THEN AT THAT TIME, WE'LL STOP THE CONTRACT.

BASICALLY, APPROVING IT FOR THE TWO YEARS DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT WE'LL USE IT FOR THE TWO YEARS.

A LOT OF THE WORK THAT WE DO REGARDING EQUITY IS ONGOING, SO EVERY TIME YOU HAVE A NEW EMPLOYEE COMING IN, FOR INSTANCE, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT IT ALL OVER AGAIN.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS THE FIRST TIME THE CITY ENGAGES IN A PROJECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE.

WE BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO BE DONE IN ONE, 1.5 YEARS.

IF WE SEE THAT THERE IS VALUE, WE MAY REQUEST AN EXTENSION, OR IF WE SEE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO FINISH SOONER, THEN WE'LL STOP AT THAT TIME.

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>> WELL, IT JUST SEEMS THAT GIVEN THE LIMITS WE HAVE ON SALARY INCREASES, THAT IF YOU DO ALL OF THE POSITIONS IN YEAR 1, THAT IT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARY TO DO IT AGAIN IN YEAR 2, THAT THINGS WOULD NOT GET SO OUT OF SYNC THAT THERE'D BE AN EQUITY ISSUE.

I WOULD CHALLENGE YOUR ASSERTION THAT IF THIS IS APPROVED FOR TWO YEARS, THAT PERHAPS A SECOND YEAR WOULDN'T BE USED.

I HAVE NOT SEEN IN MY SIX YEARS ANYTIME WE'VE APPROVED A CONTRACT FOR SOMETHING THAT COVERS MULTIPLE YEARS, AND IT WASN'T ACTUALLY USED.

I WOULD LOVE TO BE PROVEN WRONG.

I WOULD LOVE YOU TO SEND ME A MEMO OF ALL THE TIMES THAT WE'VE NOT ENGAGED A CONTRACT THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY APPROVED.

MY LAST QUESTION FOR YOU IS, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ONLY ONE RESPONDENT TO THAT PROCUREMENT.

HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU'RE GETTING COMPETITIVE PRICING IF YOU ONLY HAD ONE RESPONDENT?

>> I WILL DEFER TO OFFICE OF PROCUREMENTS FOR THAT ANSWER, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO RESPOND FROM THE FUNCTIONAL PERSPECTIVE.

>> JUANITA ORTIZ, OFFICE OF PROCUREMENT SERVICES.

THIS SOLICITATION WAS ISSUED THROUGH OUR BONFIRE SYSTEM.

IT REACHED 6,000 VENDORS, AND 30 DIFFERENT COMPANIES LOOKED AT THE SOLICITATION AND TOOK THE DOCUMENTS.

HOWEVER, WE DID ONLY RECEIVE ONE BID.

WE DID OUR SINGLE BID REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS ADVERTISED CORRECTLY, THAT WE SUBMITTED SUFFICIENT NOTICE TO THE DIFFERENT VENDORS, AND THEN OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK WE'VE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE WAS NOTIFIED.

>> WHEN YOU HAVE A SINGLE BID, DO YOU GO BACK TO THE OTHER 29 THAT LOOKED AT THE PROCUREMENT AND ASK THEM WHY THEY DIDN'T SUBMIT?

>> WE DON'T.

THERE IS AN INTENT TO BID PROCESS WHERE THEY CAN TELL US WHY THEY CHOSE NOT TO BID, BUT WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY IN THIS CASE.

>> WELL, I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHETHER IT WAS TOO SPECIFIC, IT WASN'T SPECIFIC ENOUGH, WHAT WAS ASKED WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

IT MIGHT HELP BETTER DEFINE FUTURE PROCUREMENTS TO UNDERSTAND WHY ONLY ONE OUT OF 30 WOULD HAVE RESPONDED.

>> WE'LL TAKE THAT AND WE'LL ADD THAT TO OUR PROCESS.

OUR PROCUREMENT PROCESS, WE'RE GOING TO BRING BACK TO YOU IN JUNE 4TH, AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME NEW INITIATIVES THAT WE HAVE GOING ON TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE DOING STRATEGIC PROCUREMENTS THAT WE'RE NOT BEING REACTIVE AND IT'S NOT A TRANSACTIONAL PROCESS THAT WE'RE MORE STRATEGIC ABOUT WHEN WE USE WHAT TYPES OF SOLICITATIONS AND HOW WE COORDINATE AND DO THAT BASED ON OUR BUDGET PROCESS.

>> WELL, SURE. IF 6,000 GOT THE PROCUREMENT, THAT SEEMS LIKE A VERY INAPPROPRIATELY LOW RESPONSE.

EVEN 30 OPENS OUT OF 6,000 SEEMS VERY SMALL.

THEN, NINA, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD? YOU SEEM TO.

>> YES. MY APOLOGIES.

ONE FACTOR THAT MAY HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO SOME COMPANIES DECIDING NOT TO IS WE REQUESTED THAT THE VENDOR SOLUTION WAS COMPATIBLE WITH WORKDAY.

SOMETIMES, THAT WILL ACTUALLY FACILITATE WORK, ELIMINATE DUPLICATION, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO ENTER IT, AND SOME VENDORS ARE VERY MANUAL IN THIS AREA, I WILL SAY.

THAT MAY HAVE BEEN A FACTOR.

BUT THIS IS JUST MY BELIEF THAT IT MAY HAVE BEEN.

>> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>> MADAM CITY, MAYOR. MA'AM.

>> I DIDN'T MEAN TO JUMP AHEAD OF YOU, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP, COUNCILMAN MILESON.

I THINK THAT WHAT YOU'LL SEE AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WAYS THAT WE CAN BE MORE EFFICIENT.

IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WE ARE FINDING WAYS TO AGAIN, ELIMINATE SOME OF THE MANUAL PROCESSES.

WHAT MS. AREAS WAS DESCRIBING IS THAT EVERY TIME WE GET AN EQUITY OR PAY EQUITY CONCERN, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF MANUAL WORK, AND IT'S NOT CONSISTENT, DEPENDING ON WHO'S ACTUALLY DOING IT AND PULLING THE DATA.

THIS WILL ALLOW FOR US TO TRULY MOVE INTO THE WAY THINGS ARE BEING DONE AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS FROM A BEST PRACTICES STANDPOINT.

AS WE LOOK AT CONTRACTS, I KNOW YOU MADE THE POINT OF, HAS THERE EVER BEEN A TIME WHEN WE'VE HAD A CONTRACT THAT WE DIDN'T CONTINUE TO SPEND MONEY BEYOND THAT YEAR OR TWO? THAT IS PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT EVEN THE MULTI-YEAR CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE.

IF THERE'S NOT VALUE BEING ADDED, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO MOVE AWAY FROM.

I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT, YOUR QUESTIONS,

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AND JUST KNOW THAT THAT IS DIRECTLY WHERE WE'RE HEADED. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.

>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST ITEM 27? SEEING NONE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT.

NEXT ITEM, MADAM SECRETARY.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO YOUR ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, BEGINNING WITH AGENDA ITEM 41.

GEN ITEM 41 IS CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

THIS MORNING, YOU HAVE NO APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

WE'LL MOVE TO GEN ITEM 42.

[42. An ordinance abandoning a portion of an alley to Stephen Brett Carter and Kathryn J. Carter, the abutting owners, containing approximately 271 square feet of land, located near the intersection of Jefferson Boulevard and Winnetka Avenue; and authorizing the quitclaim - Revenue: General Fund $11,150.00, plus the $20.00 ordinance publication fee]

GEN ITEM 42 IS AN ORDINANCE ABANDONING A PORTION OF AN ALLEY TO STEPHEN, BRETT CARTER, AND KATHERINE J. CARTER, THE ABUTTING OWNERS, CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 271 SQUARE FEET OF LAND, LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF JEFFERSON BOULEVARD AND WINNETKA AVENUE, AND AUTHORIZING THE QUICK CLAIM.

>> IS THERE A MOTION? MR. MOD AND SAY ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. NEXT ITEM, PLEASE.

>> AGENDA ITEM 43 IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 32,

[43. An ordinance amending Chapter 32, “Parks and Water Reservoirs”, of the Dallas City Code, by amending Section 32-11.3; to (1) add the Prism and Sunset Bay location that is in defense to prosecution for consuming or possessing alcoholic beverages in a park; and (2) remove Dreyfuss Club location that is in defense to prosecution for consuming or possessing alcoholic beverages in a park - Financing: No cost consideration to the City]

PARKS AND WATER RESERVOIRS OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE BY AMENDING SECTION 32-11.3 TO ONE AT THE PRISM AND SUNSET BAY LOCATION THAT IS IN DEFENSE OF PROSECUTION FOR CONSUMING OR POSSESSING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN A PARK, AND TWO, REMOVE DRFS CLUB LOCATION THAT IS IN DEFENSE OF PROSECUTION FOR CONSUMING OR POSSESSING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN A PARK.

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECONDS, ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSION? DE MAYOR PORTE BE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES, ITEM 43.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. IF CRYSTAL ROSS COULD COME, I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO BE READY.

I JUST WANT TO GET ON RECORD.

THE CORRESPONDENCE THAT YOU GAVE TO US SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHAT WE ASKED TO BE EXPLORED, AND WHAT THAT PROCESS AND TIMELINE WOULD LOOK LIKE. THANK YOU.

>> PRESS YOUR BUTTON.

>> THERE WE GO. GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.

CRYSTAL ROSS, PARK AND RECREATION.

YES, AT THE APRIL 9TH MEETING, WE WERE ASKED TO EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS TO BRING ON BOARD WITH THIS ORDINANCE.

WE HAVE EXPLORED KEYST FIELD HOUSE TO MAKE SURE WE HAD SOMETHING IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR AS WELL AS DURAN, WHICH IS LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT 10 OFF OF NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.

BUT WE HAVE TO REQUIRE SOME RENOVATION WORKS TO MAKE A RESERVABLE SPACE.

WE ANTICIPATE THAT COMING ONLINE ABOUT 18 MONTHS.

>> THANK YOU. WHAT IS THE PROCESS LIKE TO GET ONE? I SPECIFICALLY WANTED ROCHESTER TO BE LOOKED AT BECAUSE OF THE HOPEFUL ACTIVATION OF THE RESERVOIR THERE SPECIFICALLY.

>> WHAT WE'RE DOING WE'RE ASKING FOR ALCOHOL TO BE PERMITTED AT CERTAIN VENUES AND CERTAIN PARKS.

THERE IS STILL A PROCESS FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT TO UTILIZE OUR PARKS TO OBTAIN AN AUTHORIZED PERMIT THROUGH THE PARK BOARD.

THAT DOES HAPPEN AT WILLIAM BLAIR PARK..

THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT THROUGH OUR RESERVATION PROCESS NOW.

>> THEY WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS BECAUSE THEY WERE ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.

>> YES, CORRECT. AS A PARK, THE RESERVING GROUP CAN REQUEST A PERMIT FOR TEMPORARY USE AT THAT VENUE FOR SPECIFIC NEED. YES.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>> JE RIDLEY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. ITEM 43.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. WHAT CRITERIA DOES THE PARK DEPARTMENT USE TO DETERMINE WHICH PARKS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES WILL BE PERMITTED IN?

>> I AM GOING TO ASK SIA RANDO, SUPERINTENDENT OVER RESERVATIONS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

>> GOOD MORNING. IN REGARDS TO THE PARK, EACH CLIENT OR EACH PERSON IS ABLE TO SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATION, AND IT'S BASED ON THE NUMBER OF ATTENDEES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE AT THEIR EVENT AND THE SPECIFIC OF THE EVENT.

ONCE THEY DO THAT WITHIN THE PARKS, THAT GOES TO THE PARK BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION TO SERVE ALCOHOL AT THEIR EVENT.

THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW CERTAIN GUIDELINES.

>> THAT'S EVENT BY EVENT.

I'M TALKING ABOUT, IN GENERAL, WHICH PARKS ARE ANYBODY ALLOWED WITHOUT APPLICATION TO CONSUME OR POSSESS ALCOHOL IN.

>> YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT. YOU CANNOT CONSUME ALCOHOL ON THE PARKS WITHOUT A PERMIT.

THESE PARTICULAR ITEMS THAT WE'RE PRESENTING ARE FACILITIES.

THESE ARE RENTAL FACILITIES.

PRISM AND SUNSET ARE RENTAL FACILITIES.

THE PARK ITSELF, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT, BUT IN THESE SPECIFIC FACILITIES THAT PEOPLE CAN RENT FOR EVENTS, THEY CAN GO WITHOUT THAT PROCESS.

>> THEY DON'T HAVE TO APPLY FOR A SPECIFIC PERMIT FOR THESE SPECIFIED FACILITIES?

>> CORRECT. THAT IS THE REQUEST.

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>> WHAT CRITERIA ARE APPLIED TO APPLICANTS WHO WANT TO BE ABLE TO SERVE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN A PARTICULAR FACILITY, AND ARE THOSE APPLICATIONS EVER DENIED?

>> THEY DO HAVE TO FOLLOW THE SAME SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED IN REGARDS TO THE NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT THEY ARE HAVING AT THEIR EVENTS, THE TIME OF DAY THAT THEY'RE HAVING THE EVENTS, AND ALSO THE NUMBER OF POLICE REQUIRED TO BE AT THESE EVENTS THAT ARE AT THESE SPECIFIC FACILITIES.

THEY STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW A SET OF RULES IN ORDER TO BE APPROVED TO HAVE THEIR EVENT ON LOCATION.

>> IF THEY WANT TO SERVE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, THEY'D HAVE TO PAY FOR MORE OFF-DUTY POLICE TO BE THERE?

>> CORRECT.

>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST ITEM 43? SEEING NONE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. NEXT ITEM, PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE AT THIS TIME THAT THE FOLLOWING ITEMS WILL BE HELD UNTIL LATER IN THE MEETING, AGENDA ITEMS 44, 45, 46, AND 50.

WE WILL NOW MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM 47.

[47. Authorize a thirty-year Interlocal Agreement with the Dallas Independent School District for the use, construction, operation, and maintenance at Moore Park Baseball Field located at 1900 East 8th Street - Financing: This action has no cost consideration to the City (see Fiscal Information) (This item was held under advisement on December 13, 2023, January 24, 2024, and February 28, 2024)]

AGENDA ITEM 47, AUTHORIZE A 30-YEAR INTO LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE DALLAS INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR THE USE, CONSTRUCTION, OPERATION, AND MAINTENANCE AT MOORE PARK BASEBALL FIELD, LOCATED AT 1,900 EAST EIGHTH STREET.

>> IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE?

>> YES, MAYOR.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOVE TO DENY AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 47.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? GOING ONCE. GOING TWICE.

>> SECOND. THANK YOU FOR THE CONVERSATION.

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECOND.

CHAIRWOMAN ARNOLD, YOU ASKED FOR FIVE MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR MOTION TO DENY.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER NAVAREZ.

THE MOTION TO DENY IS BASED ON THIS FOLLOWING INFORMATION.

THE CITY WAS APPROACHED IN 2023 ABOUT A BASEBALL FIELD IMPROVEMENT AT MOORE PARK.

THERE WERE CONCERNS FROM NEIGHBORS RELATED TO ADJUSTING THE FIELD CONFIGURATION, AND THE ITEM HAS BEEN DEFERRED UNTIL THIS TIME.

DISD HAS SINCE NOTIFIED US THAT THEY HAVE MET THE NEED IN ANOTHER WAY, AND THERE'S NO LONGER A NEED TO PARTNER AT THIS SITE.

WITH THAT, COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU WOULD RESPECT THE DECISION MADE BY THE CITY OF DALLAS AND DENY THIS AGENDA ITEM.

>> MS. SCHULTZ, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THE MOTION TO DENY ITEM 47.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS, BUT I'D LIKE TO GET STAFF TO VERIFY THAT LETTER FROM DISD.

>> STAFF, BULLER.

>> IS THERE ANYONE FROM STAFF WHO CAN SHOW THAT WE GOT A NOTIFICATION FROM DALLAS ISD THAT THEY'D NO LONGER NEED THIS FACILITY? IF THAT'S TRUE, I'M VERY HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT.

>> BULLER.

>> YOU DON'T HAVE THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW.

HOLD ON, MS. SHELTON.

>> I'M SORRY.

>> WE'RE TRYING TO GET STAFF UP HERE TO ANSWER A QUESTION.

YOU STILL HAVE TWO ROUNDS LEFT, THOUGH.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET IS VERIFICATION THAT THE DALLAS INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT ACTUALLY SENT A LETTER TO US ASKING US NOT TO PERMIT THIS BECAUSE THEY FOUND ANOTHER FACILITY.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

I'LL HAVE TO LEAN ON THE PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THAT LETTER MIGHT HAVE GONE DIRECTLY TO DIRECTOR JENKINS.

IF YOU'LL GIVE US JUST A MINUTE AND LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.

>> THANK YOU. [BACKGROUND]

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>> WHAT'S OUR FRIEND'S NAME?

>> CRYSTAL.

>> CRYSTAL. ONE PERSON JUST HERE?

>> YES. THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY.

[BACKGROUND]

>> WE'RE JUST GOING TO STAND AT EASE, THEN, FOLKS, NOT A RECESS.

STAND AT EASE, TWO MINUTES.

GOOD MORNING. YOU MAKE IT CLEAR WHO YOU ARE FOR THIS AMENDMENT?

>> YES. RHINO CONNOR, DALLAS PARK AND RECREATION.

>> THANK YOU. GO AHEAD.

>> MR. CONNOR, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

WHAT I WANTED TO FIND OUT IS THE VERIFICATION THAT THE DALLAS INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS ASKED US TO DENY THIS MATTER OF THE BASEBALL FIELD AT MOORE PARK?

>> YES, MA'AM. THAT'S RIGHT.

>> GREAT. WELL, THAT'S ALL WE NEEDED, THEN WAS AN ASSURANCE FROM OUR CITY THAT THE DISD NO LONGER HAS THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU.

>> DEV MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THE MOTION TO DENY ON ITEM 47.

>> I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THERE COULD BE ANY ELABORATION ON THAT.

WE USUALLY HEAR, ESPECIALLY FROM ANOTHER TAX ENTITY, AND THERE'S USUALLY ENOUGH NOTICE TO WHERE THESE DON'T MAKE IT TO THE AGENDA.

HAVING AN AGENDA ITEM THAT YOU'RE SAYING IS NOT NEEDED IS VERY WEIRD.

>> YES, SIR. LET'S SEE.

THIS GOES BACK A WAYS.

THIS GOES BACK TO LATE 2023.

WE HAD ORIGINALLY BEEN APPROACHED.

WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS, WORKING WITH DISD.

THERE ENDED UP BEING SOME ISSUES RELATED TO SOME NEIGHBOR CONCERNS IN THE WAY THE FIELD WAS CONFIGURED, AND THROUGH THE PROCESS, ULTIMATELY, DISC SAID, WE'RE GOING TO SOLVE THE ISSUE IN ANOTHER WAY.

OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH DISD THAT THIS DOESN'T AFFECT THAT IN ANY WAY.

BUT THEY JUST ULTIMATELY DECIDED THAT WE HAVE OTHER PLANS.

WE'RE GOING TO SOLVE THE ISSUE IN ANOTHER WAY, AND THAT WAS THE END OF THE MATTER.

>> THANK YOU. I WOULD ASK THAT IN FUTURE ITEMS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE EXPECTED TO VOTE ON SOMETHING, WE WOULD GET THE CORRESPONDENCE AND COMMUNICATION THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR US TO MAKE SOUND DECISIONS IN THE FUTURE.

>> YES, SIR.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>> CHAIRMAN, ARE YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES ON YOUR MOTION TO DENY?

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. WITH THAT BEING STATED, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE COMMUNITY IS LISTENING.

ABSENT OF THE LETTER THAT THOSE ARE ASKING FOR, I WOULD SIMPLY SAY THIS FOR THE PUBLIC THAT'S LISTENING THAT THERE WILL BE NO TIME IN MY LIFE WHERE I WOULD REPRESENT OR MISREPRESENT INFORMATION, OR COMMUNICATION, OR A POSITION AS IT RELATES TO AN ITEM THAT AFFECTS THE QUALITY OF LIFE OR THIS AGENDA.

FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE LISTENING ON THE PUBLIC SIDE, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WAS A NEED TO GET TO CLARIFICATION, BUT I WOULD NEVER MISREPRESENT A STATEMENT THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME BY ANY OFFICIAL OF THE CITY OF DALLAS FROM THAT DEPARTMENT.

THANK YOU. MEMBERS, WE ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT THE INTENT OF THE REQUEST MADE BY DISD. THANK YOU.

>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION TO DENY ITEM 47? SEEING NONE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. ITEM IS DENIED.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AGENDA ITEMS 48 AND 49 ARE CLOSED SESSION ITEMS. AGENDA ITEM 50.

>> FIFTY IS HELD TO LATER IN THE MEETING.

[51. Receive the report of the Ad Hoc City Council Canvassing Committee and adopt a resolution and order accepting the canvassing committee's report declaring the results of the Saturday, May 3, 2025 general election - Financing: No cost consideration to the City ]

AGENDA ITEM 51 IS RECEIVE THE REPORT OF THE AD HOC CITY COUNCIL CANVASSING COMMITTEE AND ADOPT A RESOLUTION AND ORDER ACCEPTING THE CANVASSING COMMITTEE'S REPORT, DECLARING THE RESULTS OF THE SATURDAY, MAY 3RD, 2025 GENERAL ELECTION.

>> IS THERE A MOTION, CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN?

>> YES, THERE IS. THE AD HOC CANVASSING COMMITTEE, CONSISTING OF MYSELF, COMMITTEE MEMBER JESSE MORENO,

[01:40:01]

AND COUNCIL MEMBER ZARIN GRACEY, WERE APPOINTED FEBRUARY 26, 2025 TO CANVASS THE RETURNS OF THE CITY COUNCIL GENERAL ELECTION HELD SATURDAY, MAY 3RD, 2025, TO ELECT 14 MEMBERS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> IS THIS THE MOTION LANGUAGE? I WAS CURIOUS.

>> IT IS.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> THE AD HOC CANVASSING COMMITTEE MET EARLIER TODAY TO CANVASS THE RESULTS OF THE SATURDAY, MAY 3RD, 2025 GENERAL ELECTION.

ON BEHALF OF THE AD HOC CANVASSING COMMITTEE, I MAKE THE FOLLOWING REPORT, A COPY OF WHICH HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO EACH OF YOU.

IN THE GENERAL ELECTION TO ELECT 14 MEMBERS TO THE CITY COUNCIL, BASED UPON THE STATEMENTS OF RETURNS, WE FIND THE FOLLOWING CANDIDATES RECEIVED MAJORITY OF THE VOTES CAST BY THE QUALIFIED VOTERS OF THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR THE INDIVIDUAL CITY COUNCIL PLACE INDICATED.

FOR CITY COUNCIL PLACE 1, CHAD WEST WAS ELECTED.

FOR CITY COUNCIL PLACE 2, JESSE MORENO WAS ELECTED.

>> MR. MAYOR, I'M STILL WAITING FOR A MOTION OR THE WORD MOTION. [LAUGHTER]

>> I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A POINT WHERE THE PARLIAMENTARIAN IS TELLING ME THAT THIS MAY BE THE STATE LAW REQUIREMENT THAT THIS LANGUAGE BE THERE.

>> TO DO IT LIKE THIS WITHOUT STATING A MOTION AND THEN DOING A REPORT.

>> IT SEEMS ODD.

>> [OVERLAPPING] IT IS PUTTING THE RESULTS ON THE RECORD.

>> THE PARLIAMENTARIAN SAID SHE THINKS IT MIGHT BE THE STATE LAW REQUIREMENT.

UNLESS I'M TOLD BY HER THAT'S IMPROPER, LET IT CONTINUE. GO AHEAD.

>> THANK YOU. FOR PLACE 3, ZARIN GRACEY WAS ELECTED.

FOR CITY COUNCIL PLACE 4, MAXIE JOHNSON WAS ELECTED.

FOR CITY COUNCIL PLACE 5, JAIME RESENDEZ WAS ELECTED.

FOR CITY COUNCIL PLACE 6, LAURA CADENA WAS ELECTED.

FOR CITY COUNCIL PLACE 7, ADAM BAZALDUA WAS ELECTED.

FOR CITY COUNCIL PLACE 9, PAULA BLACKMON WAS ELECTED.

FOR CITY COUNCIL PLACE 10, KATHY STEWART WAS ELECTED.

FOR CITY COUNCIL PLACE 12, CARA MENDELSOHN WAS ELECTED.

FOR CITY COUNCIL PLACE 13, GAY DONNELL WILLIS WAS ELECTED.

CITY COUNCIL PLACE 14, PAUL RIDLEY WAS ELECTED.

CANDIDATES FOR THE FOLLOWING CITY COUNCIL PLACES DID NOT RECEIVE SUFFICIENT VOTES TO BE ELECTED, CITY COUNCIL PLACE 8, CITY COUNCIL PLACE 11.

THE COMMITTEE NOTES THAT AN INTENT TO ASK FOR A RECOUNT HAS BEEN RECEIVED FOR DISTRICT 6.

THE MOTION IS TO ACCEPT THIS REPORT.

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS?

>> YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. I'LL JUST NOTE THAT THIS WAS UNANIMOUSLY ACCEPTED, THANK YOU, BY THE COMMITTEE.

>> CHAIRMAN MORENO, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON ITEM 53.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. [OVERLAPPING]

>> FIFTY-ONE.

>> I JUST WANT TO THANK OUR CITY SECRETARY IN THE DALLAS COUNTY ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT.

I THINK WE HAD A SMOOTHER ELECTION PROCESS THIS GO AROUND.

THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS OR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE OVER AND UNDERCOUNTS AND HOW THE SYSTEM READS THOSE.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I JUST WANT TO THANK BILLY RAY FOR RUNNING OUR ELECTION.

THANK YOU FOR BEING PART OF IT.

>> MS. BLACKMON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. ITEM 51.

>> THANK YOU. IT WAS NOTED THAT ONE OF THE PLACES WAS ASKING FOR A RECOUNT.

WILL YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON HOW THAT PROCESS LOOKS? YOU DON'T DO IT NOW OR EVEN JUST IN A MEMO BECAUSE I'VE NEVER HAD THAT HAPPEN.

>> IF YOU HAVE AN ORAL ONE, THAT'S FINE TOO.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMON, THERE IS A PROCESS ONCE AN OFFICIAL RECOUNT REQUEST HAS BEEN MADE.

WE'VE JUST BEEN NOTIFIED THAT A RECOUNT REQUEST MAY BE MADE.

>> IT HASN'T BEEN OFFICIAL YET?

>> YES. AS SOON AS THE REQUEST IS OFFICIALLY MADE, I WILL SEND NOTIFICATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

>> AFTER THIS VOTE HAPPENS, DO WE HAVE TO UNDO IT?

>> NO. A RECOUNT DOES NOT.

>> CHANGE ANYTHING UNTIL WE NOTIFY.

>> DOES NOT STOP THE CANDIDACY OR THE ADOPTION OF THE REPORT.

>> MRS. SCHULTZ, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES?

>> I JUST WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO MY COLLEAGUES WHO WON. THANK YOU.

>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. ITEM 51.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. BILLY, I WAS WANTING TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE DISTRICT 7 TOTALS.

I WAS CURIOUS BECAUSE WHEN I LOOKED IN THE COUNTY DATA THAT THERE WERE MULTIPLE VOTES FOR WRITE-IN CANDIDATE.

I'M JUST CURIOUS ON WHY IT'S TABULATED AS A WHOLE ON OUR END AND IT'S BROKEN DOWN ON THE COUNTY'S END FOR QUALIFIED AND UNQUALIFIED WRITE-IN CANDIDATES.

>> I'M SORRY. DEPUTY MAYOR, CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION AGAIN BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE OFFICIAL REPORTS, AND I DON'T SEE A HOLD.

ARE YOU SAYING IT'S ON THE DALLAS COUNTY'S WEBSITE?

>> YES. IN THAT TABULATION, IT SPECIFIES QUALIFIED WRITE-IN CANDIDATE THAT MET THE SPECIFICATIONS TO BE ONE.

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THEN IT ALSO DESIGNATED THE VOTE COUNT OF THOSE VOTES THAT WERE FOR UNQUALIFIED NAMES, JUST WRITING IN RANDOM NAMES, SO CURIOUS WHY THAT'S NOT SPECIFIED HERE IF WE'RE CANVASSING THE RESULTS.

>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM BAZALDUA, I WILL HAVE TO GET WITH DALLAS COUNTY ELECTION DEPARTMENT ON THEIR WEBSITE.

IT APPEARS THAT IT'S NOT UPDATED.

I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF DALLAS COUNTY.

HOWEVER, I DO KNOW WHAT'S ON THE WEBSITE IS THE ELECTION NIGHT REPORTING.

>> THIS WAS THE AFTER REPORT THAT I'M REFERENCING.

>> WELL, A FINAL UNOFFICIAL, THEY TITLE IT UNOFFICIAL BUT IT'S THE OFFICIAL RESULTS, HAS THE INFORMATION LISTED, AND THERE'S NO HOLD IN IT AND IT'S EXPLAINED.

I WILL LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND GET YOU AN EXPLANATION.

>> CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. ITEM 51.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WANTED TO ASK THIS QUESTION BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THE STATE LAW, AND IT SAYS A RECOUNT DOES NOT DELAY CANVASSING, BUT THE CANVASSING AUTHORITY MUST MAKE A NOTE ON THE CANVAS THAT A RECOUNT HAS BEEN REQUESTED.

SUBMISSION OF A RECOUNT PETITION DELAYS THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ELECTION AND QUALIFICATION FOR THE OFFICE INVOLVED IN THE RECOUNT PENDING COMPLETION OF RECOUNT.

WAS A RECOUNT REQUESTED? BECAUSE I'M HEARING INTENTS, SO THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS SAYS IT SHOULD DO.

IF SOMEBODY CAN ANSWER THAT FOR ME, FROM THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

>> I'LL TAKE A STAB, AND THE ATTORNEY CAN STEP IN IF I MISS SOMETHING, BUT YOU'RE CORRECT.

IT DOES STATE THAT A NOTE IS TO BE PLACED ON THE CANVASSING IF A RECOUNT IS REQUESTED.

AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED AN OFFICIAL RECOUNT.

HOWEVER, WE WERE NOTIFIED OF A POSSIBLE REQUEST FOR A RECOUNT.

>> VERY GOOD. IF YOU WANT TO BACK THAT UP OR NOT BACK IT UP.

>> YES. LAURA MORRISON, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED AN OFFICIAL PETITION FOR A RECOUNT FOR DISTRICT 6, BUT WE HAVE RECEIVED NOTICE THAT A PETITION IS FORTHCOMING.

THE COMMITTEE JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT NOTE.

THE STATE LAW REQUIRES US TO MAKE THE NOTATION IF WE HAVE RECEIVED A PETITION.

WE HAVE NOT, BUT THE COMMITTEE CHOSE TO JUST ADD A NOTATION THAT WE'VE BEEN PUT ON NOTICE THAT A PETITION IS FORTH COMING.

>> WHO MADE THAT MOTION?

>> I BELIEVE IT WAS COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO.

>> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU BECAUSE WHEN I WAS READING THE STATE LAW, AND I HEARD THAT WHEN IT WAS READ, I DIDN'T THINK THAT BELONGED IN THERE BECAUSE I KNOW THIS ELECTION VERY WELL.

YES, CITY SECRETARY [INAUDIBLE]

>> MAY I ADD SOME LANGUAGE THAT THE NOTE IS NOT A PART OF THE MOTION.

ON OUR OFFICIAL MINUTES, WE HAVE OUR MOTION, AND THEN IF THERE IS A NOTE ON ANY ITEM THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS TO MAKE, IT'S PLACED AS ALMOST A FOOTER AT THE BOTTOM, BUT IT'S NOT A PART OF THE MOTION.

>> I JUST HEARD IT READ OUT.

>> IT IS DOCUMENTED.

YES, IT'S A PART OF THE OFFICIAL MINUTES, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, IT'S NOT A PART OF THE MOTION.

>> THEN WHAT DID I JUST HEAR READ? I HEARD A WHOLE REPORT READ?

>> YOU HEARD A MOTION AND THEN, I BELIEVE, [OVERLAPPING] THEY STATED A NOTE.

>> SORRY. I'M JUST SAYING IT WAS SO UNCLEAR BECAUSE I NEVER HEARD, MOTION, I MOVE TO.

I HEARD A REPORT.

I KNOW SOMEBODY'S SAYING THAT THIS WAS DONE CORRECTLY.

WE'VE NEVER DONE IT LIKE THIS BEFORE.

WE'VE NEVER HAD ISSUES WITH CANVASSING BEFORE, MR. MAYOR.

DO YOU HAVE ANY WORDS OR CAN YOU GIVE US SOME WORDS BECAUSE I REALLY WOULD LIKE SOME CLARITY ON THIS BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THIS RIGHT.

THIS IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THING WE DO FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

>> THE NOTATION WAS PART OF THE MOTION AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL.

NOW, WHAT THE COUNCIL IS DOING IS ACCEPTING THAT REPORT AND THE NOTATION IS PART OF THAT REPORT.

>> THEN I GUESS IS THIS A MINISTERIAL THAT WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THE REPORT THAT IT'S BEEN MOVED UPON THE CANVASSING COMMITTEE, OR CAN THAT REPORT BE AMENDED?

>> THE BODY CAN AMEND THE REPORT.

>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET. I MOVE TO STRIKE THE NOTATION ON THE REPORT.

>> I'M SORRY. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT THE NOTATION-

>> OF THE INTENT TO HAVE A RECAP BE STRICKEN.

>> OF THE INTENT TO HAVE A RECAP BE STRICKEN FROM THE REPORT.

>> WHAT INFORMATION? CAN YOU RE-READ THAT ALL AGAIN?

[01:50:04]

>> RE-READ THE ORIGINAL MOTION?

>> NOT THE WHOLE THING, JUST WHERE IT TALKED ABOUT PLACE 6, [OVERLAPPING] THE NOTATION, JUST TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT ACTUALLY SAYS.

>> ONE SECOND. IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

WE ARE NOW ON THIS MOTION OF CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ'S.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, I'LL RECOGNIZE YOU FOR FIVE MINUTES TO DISCUSS IT. [OVERLAPPING]

>> I DON'T MIND IF WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION, WHICH IS DONE FIRST.

>> IF WE CAN HAVE STAFF, BECAUSE IT WILL COUNT AGAINST YOUR TIME IF SHE DOES, I GUESS WHOEVER DRAFTED THIS MOTION CAN READ THAT LANGUAGE REPORT, AND IT WON'T COUNT AGAINST YOUR TIME.

IF THAT LANGUAGE DOESN'T EXIST AND IT'S NOT IN STAFF'S HANDS, THEN THE PERSON WHO MADE THE MOTION WILL NEED TO DO IT, BUT IT'S GOING TO COUNT AGAINST YOUR TIME.

I'M GOING TO SEE IF WE CAN GET STAFF TO DO IT.

>> THIS IS MY ITEM.

I HAVE THE MOTION, I DON'T HAVE THE NOTE.

>> GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

>> LAURA MORRISON, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

>> WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BY THE WAY, IS YOU'RE GOING TO NOT READ THAT WHOLE THING AGAIN.

>> JUST THE NOTE.

>> THE PORTION THAT'S BEING STRICKEN BY CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ'S MOTION IF IT PREVAILS.

>> THE NOTE SAYS THAT THE COMMITTEE NOTES THAT AN INTENT TO ASK FOR A RECOUNT HAS BEEN RECEIVED FOR DISTRICT 6.

>> THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION? GOOD. THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON YOUR MOTION.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THE STATE LAW WAS VERY CLEAR, I JUST READ IT.

IT DOESN'T SAY IF THERE'S AN INTENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I APPRECIATE THE COMMITTEE WANTING TO ADD THAT IN THERE, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK IT BELONGS IN THERE BECAUSE WE DID NOT RECEIVE A PETITION FOR A RECOUNT, AND THAT'S WHAT THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT IT REQUIRES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR THE AMENDMENT.

>> CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ'S MOTION TO STRIKE THAT LANGUAGE WE JUST HEARD FROM CITY STAFF.

>> THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO GIVE SOME CLARITY ON WHY IT WAS INCLUDED.

IF YOU LOOK ON THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S WEBSITE, UNDER HER INTRODUCTION FOR PROCEDURES TO REQUEST AND CONDUCT A RECOUNT, UNDER ONE INTRODUCTION, GO DOWN TO ITEM B.

NUMBER 2 SAYS, A RECOUNT DOES NOT DELAY CANVASSING, BUT THE CANVASSING AUTHORITY MUST MAKE A NOTE ON THE CANVAS THAT A RECOUNT HAS BEEN REQUESTED.

IN THIS CASE, A PETITION HAS NOT BEEN FILED, BUT WE'VE BEEN TOLD BY EMAIL TO THE CITY SECRETARY AND TO ME THAT THERE WILL BE A RECOUNT REQUESTED THAT THAT PROCESS IS HAPPENING.

SINCE IT LITERALLY SAYS, THE CANVASSING AUTHORITY MUST MAKE A NOTE ON THE CANVAS THAT A RECOUNT HAS BEEN REQUESTED, WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED SO FAR.

THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR A RECOUNT, ALTHOUGH THE PETITION HAS NOT YET BEEN FILED, OF WHICH I BELIEVE THE CITY ATTORNEYS HAVE TOLD US THERE'S TWO DAYS ALLOWED AFTER CANVASSING FOR THAT PETITION TO BE SUBMITTED.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE LAURA WENT. WAS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. A PETITION FOR RECOUNT HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED AND THE DEADLINE TO SUBMIT ONE IS TWO O'CLOCK THIS FRIDAY.

>> GIVEN WHAT IT SAID ON THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S WEBSITE ABOUT THE PROCEDURES, AND BECAUSE IT USED THE WORD MUST, THAT'S WHAT THE COMMITTEE DID.

WE DID WHAT WE MUST DO, WHICH WAS TO MAKE A NOTE ON THE CANVAS THAT THE RECOUNT HAS BEEN REQUESTED.

WILL IT BE SUBMITTED? I DON'T KNOW.

WILL THE PETITION HAPPEN? I DON'T KNOW.

BUT WE DID WHAT IT SAID ON HERE, TO PRESERVE THE RIGHT OF ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT, WHO HAS STANDING, WHICH IS ONLY, OF COURSE, PEOPLE WHO I BELIEVE RAN IN DISTRICT 6.

I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT CLARITY.

THE MOTION WAS MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY, PASSING UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRMAN GRACEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR.

WE ARE RIGHT NOW ON THE MOTION TO STRIKE THAT RECOUNT LANGUAGE FROM THE ORIGINAL MOTION.

THIS IS THE MOTION TO STRIKE, AND IT WAS MADE BY CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ.

YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THAT.

>> THANK YOU. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER.

[01:55:05]

YOU READ THE MOTION, CORRECT, IN THE COMMITTEE MEETING?

>> ARE YOU ADDRESSING? [OVERLAPPING]

>> I'M SORRY, MAYOR. CAN I DO THAT?

>> IF SHE WILL RESPOND AND IT WILL COUNT AGAINST YOUR TIME. [OVERLAPPING]

>> THAT'S FINE.

>> IF SHE WANTS TO.

>> YES. WHAT HAPPENED IS I ASKED IF THERE WAS A MOTION TO MOVE THIS REPORT'S RESOLUTION AND ORDER, ACCEPTING THE ELECTION RESULTS OF THE MAY 3RD, 2025 GENERAL ELECTION TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION WITH A NOTE THAT AN INTENT TO ASK FOR A RECOUNT HAS BEEN RECEIVED IN DISTRICT 6.

THEN COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO MADE THE MOTION OF WHICH YOU SECONDED.

>> IF THIS LANGUAGE IS TAKEN OUT OF THIS, CAN THEY STILL FILE? THEY CAN?

>> YES, THEY CAN.

>> OKAY. ALL THANK YOU.

>> MS. BLACKMAN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THE MOTION TO STRIKE.

>> THANK YOU. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF OFFICIAL AND INTENT? DO THEY HAVE LEGAL STANDING IN THIS CASE? BECAUSE IT SAYS OFFICIAL, BUT WE HAVE AN INDICATOR OF INTENT.

THE INTENT, ACTUALLY IS IT EQUAL TO OFFICIAL? ON LEGAL, AND I'M ASSUMING IT DOESN'T, BUT I'M JUST WANTING CLARIFICATION.

>> NO. WHEN IT'S BEEN REQUESTED, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE PETITION ITSELF, NOT AN EMAIL INFORMING US OF [OVERLAPPING]

>> THAT IS A LEGAL INSTRUMENT THAT SHOWS AN OFFICIAL DOCUMENT BEING RECEIVED AND THAT IS WHAT MR. NAVAEZ HAS TALKED ABOUT AS THAT'S WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO THE CANVAS REPORT.

>> THAT'S WHEN IT SAYS THAT IT MUST BE ADDED.

I THINK BILLY RAY AGREES. THAT IS CORRECT.

>> MY NEXT QUESTION IS THE REPORT THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE COMMITTEE, DID IT HAD THE INTENT LANGUAGE ON IT? BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING IT WAS POSTED BEFORE THAT EMAIL CAME.

WAS THE INTENT ASTERISK ADDED TO THAT REPORT? DID THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ADD THAT LOT LANGUAGE?

>> IT WAS ADDED AFTER THE MOTION WAS MADE SECONDED AND VOTED ON.

>> THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DID NOT PUT IT IN THERE?

>> YES. WE PUT IT IN THERE AFTER IT WAS ADDED IN THE MOTION AT COMMITTEE.

>> DID YOU ORIGINALLY ADD THAT ASTERISK WITH THE MOTION? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. [OVERLAPPING].

>> NO.

>> IS THAT MOTION MADE BY THE THE COMMITTEE OR MADE BY THE LAWYERS?

>> IT WAS MADE BY THE COMMITTEE.

>> NOW I'M ASKING MY LAWYERS, IS IT APPROPRIATE TO KEEP THAT ASTERISK OF THE INTENT CAME BY EMAIL?

>> LET ME JUST SAY IT THIS WAY. WE HAVE TO ABSOLUTELY PUT IT IN IF WE GOT A PETITION.

>> IF IT WAS OFFICIAL.

>> THE COMMITTEE HAD REQUESTED THAT IT BE NOTED BECAUSE OF THE EMAIL.

>> THAT'S UP TO THE BODY. THAT'S JUST AN ADVISORY REQUEST TO THE FULL BODY.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE DON'T HAVE TO.

WE'RE NOT REQUIRED BY LAW UNTIL WE GET THE PETITION.

>> IT WAS NOT ADDED BY OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN THE ORIGINAL MOTION?

>> NO.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. WE DID NOT ADD IT.

>> THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO.

>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON AGAINST THE MOTION TO STRIKE BY CHAIRMAN NAVAEZ? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT.

THAT LANGUAGE IS STRICKEN.

THE LANGUAGE IS STRICKEN.

WE'RE BACK NOW TO ITEM 51 AS IT'S BEEN AMENDED AND WE WILL PICK UP WITH THIS, I HAVE THE QUEUE STILL.

ANYONE ELSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON FOR AGAINST ITEM 51? SEEING NONE, IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. NEXT ITEM.

>> AGENDA ITEM 52 IS AN ORDINANCE ORDERING

[52. An ordinance ordering a runoff election to be held in the City of Dallas on Saturday, June 7, 2025, for the purpose of electing members of the City Council to represent Places 8 and 11 in which no candidate received a majority of the votes in the general election held Saturday, May 3, 2025 - Financing: No cost consideration to the City (see Fiscal Information)]

A RUNOFF ELECTION TO BE HELD IN THE CITY OF DALLAS ON SATURDAY, JUNE 7, 2025, FOR THE PURPOSE OF ELECTING MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO REPRESENT PLACES EIGHT AND 11 IN WHICH NO CANDIDATE RECEIVED A MAJORITY OF THE VOTES IN THE GENERAL ELECTION HELD SATURDAY, MAY 3, 2025.

THIS IS YOUR ITEM, MR. MAYOR?

>> MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

ANY DISCUSSION, CHAIRMAN MENDELSON?

>> NO.

>> ANY DISCUSSION ANYONE? SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. NEXT ITEM.

>> AGENDA ITEM 53 IS A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO APPOINT

[53. A resolution authorizing the Mayor to appoint an Ad Hoc City Council Canvassing Committee to review the returns of the Saturday, June 7, 2025 runoff election, and submit a canvass report to the full City Council on Monday, June 16, 2025 - Financing: No cost consideration to the City]

AN AD HOC CITY COUNCIL CANVASSING COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THE RETURNS OF THE SATURDAY, JUNE 7, 2025 RUNOFF ELECTION AND SUBMIT A CANVAS REPORT TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL ON MONDAY, JUNE 16, 2025.

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>> IS THERE A MOTION?

>> MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, ANYONE? SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. NEXT ITEM, PLEASE.

>> MR. MAYOR, THIS CONCLUDES YOUR ITEMS FOR THIS SESSION.

THERE ARE SOME HELD ITEMS AND I'M NOT SURE IF WE'RE READY TO MOVE TO THOSE ITEMS.

>> IF YOU'LL JUST HOLD ON FOR ONE SECOND.

LET'S STAND AT LEAST FOR JUST A SECOND WHILE I TALK TO THE CITY MANAGER AND FIGURE OUT WHERE WE WANT TO BE ON THOSE. HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

THANK YOU, MEMBERS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WERE TAKING UP ITEMS AT THE RIGHT TIME.

[CLOSED SESSION]

IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME FOR A LITTLE STATUTORY LANGUAGE, WE'LL THEN GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE'LL RECONVENE AT 1:00 P.M.

IT IS 11:24 A.M. ON MAY 14, 2025.

THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WILL NOW GO INTO CLOSED SESSION UNDER SECTION 551.071 OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT ON THE FOLLOWING MATTERS DESCRIBED ON TODAY'S AGENDA, ITEMS NUMBER 48 AND 49 UNDER 551.072 OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT ON THE FOLLOWING MATTER DESCRIBED ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

ITEM NUMBER 49 AND UNDER SECTION 551.074 OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT ON THE FOLLOWING MATTERS DESCRIBED ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

ITEMS NUMBER 44, 45 AND 46.

WE'LL STAND AT RECESS UNTIL 1:00 P.M.

THANK YOU. TIME IS 02:00 P.M. MEETING OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL IS NOW BACK IN SESSION, MADAM SECRETARY.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MR. MAYOR,

[Z7. A public hearing to receive comments regarding an application for (1) an IM Industrial Manufacturing District; and (2) a Specific Use Permit for a potentially incompatible industrial (outside) use, limited to asphalt or concrete batching on property zoned IR Industrial Research District, on northeast corner of Spangler Road and Mañana Drive Recommendation of Staff: Approval for a five-year period, subject to a site plan and conditions Recommendation of CPC: Denial Z234-328(TB) Note: This item was held by the City Council at the public hearing on April 9, 2025 and is scheduled for consideration on May 14, 2025.]

WE WILL BEGIN WITH YOUR ZONING ITEM.

ITEM Z7.

I'LL READ THAT ITEM INTO THE RECORD.

ITEM Z7 IS A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING AN APPLICATION FOR ONE AND IM INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING DISTRICT AND TWO A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A POTENTIALLY INCOMPATIBLE INDUSTRIAL OUTSIDE USE LIMITED TO ASPHALT CONCRETE BATCHING ON PROPERTY ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SPANGLER ROAD AND MANANA DRIVE.

>> MR. MAYOR, WE SENT 11 NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE AREA OF REQUEST.

WE RECEIVED ZERO REPLIES IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLIES IN OPPOSITION.

>> YOU DO HAVE 18 INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, AFTER WHICH WILL BE OPEN TO ANY OTHER MEMBERS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM.

EACH SPEAKER WILL BE GIVEN TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK.

YOUR FIRST SPEAKER, COMMISSIONER JOHN WILEY PRICE.

>> MR. MAYOR, MADAM MANAGER, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.

I COME TODAY IN SUPPORT OF A BUSINESS THAT HAS BASICALLY DEMONSTRATED, FIRST OF ALL, THAT THEY ARE GOOD BUSINESS IN THIS CITY.

BUT BASICALLY NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY IN THE AREA IN WHICH THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT IS WANTING TO GO, THERE ARE APPARENTLY NINE BATCH PLANTS IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

THAT THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT IS AT LEAST TWO MILES FROM THE AREA THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME CONCERN.

IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE DO IN DALLAS COUNTY.

WHEN I TALK ABOUT BATCH PLANTS AND WE DO HAVE SOME, BUT YOU HAVE MORE IN THIS ONE AREA THAN WE HAVE ON ALL OF DALLAS COUNTY.

I JUST SAY THIS IS A VERY SMALL BATCH PLANT.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, FOUR OR FIVE ACRES VERSUS OTHER PLANTS THAT HAVE UP TO AS MANY AS 20 ACRES IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

I'M JUST HAVING A REAL DIFFICULT TIME UNDERSTANDING WHY THIS APPLICANT APPARENTLY IS BEING DENIED

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AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO FORGE A BUSINESS THAT HE HAS DEMONSTRATED THAT HE IS VERY CAPABLE OF PERFORMING.

I ASK YOU TODAY FOR THAT CONSIDERATION FOR THIS APPLICANT, THAT HE JOIN THOSE OTHER NINE PLANTS IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

I JUST FIND IT PROBABLY AN APPROPRIATE USE AND I'M SURE YOU WILL TOO.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER.

>> SINCE WE HAVE SO MANY SPEAKERS, WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, IF YOU'RE PRESENT IN THE AUDIENCE, WILL YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD AND HAVE A SEAT ON THE FIRST THREE ROWS IN THIS CENTER SECTION? KATHERINE GERRA AND I BELIEVE MS. GERRA WILL BE VIDEO CONFERENCE.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

KATHERINE GERRA, YOU MAY COME TO THE PODIUM, TIMOTHY DICKEY, GARRET BOONE, JOSHUA MININET, [INAUDIBLE], TISON AMEER, JOHN MARTINEZ, DEBBIE SOLIS, RONNIE MESTIS, BARRY LACHMAN, WILLIS JOHNSON, [INAUDIBLE].

I'M SORRY, IF I MISPRONOUNCED YOUR NAME.

ANNA REYES, RANDY JONES, RITA BEVING, BJ JOHNSON AND VICTORIA HOWARD.

KATHERINE GERRA, YOU MAY BEGIN.

>> KATHERINE GERRA DISTRICT 9.

I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF SERVING AS ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION CHAIR AND HAVE BEEN AN ADVOCATE AGAINST INCOMPATIBLE BATCH PLANT USES IN OUR CITY FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

THAT IS WHAT THIS IS.

AN INCOMPATIBLE REQUEST FOR UP ZONING TO THE HEAVIEST INDUSTRIAL LEVEL NEXT TO A CITY PARK, MONEYGRAM SOCCER, WHICH IS AN OFFICIAL FC DALLAS YOUTH TRAINING FACILITY.

I'VE SUBMITTED A MAP CREATED BY THE TCEQ THAT SHOWS ALL 18 OF THE ALREADY PERMITTED AGGREGATE FACILITIES SUCH AS ROCK CRUSHERS AND BATCH PLANTS WITHIN A ONE MILE RADIUS OF THIS PARK.

THIS WOULD BE THE 19TH AND THE SECOND THAT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT.

THIS AREA USED TO BE CONSIDERED A SUITABLE ALTERNATIVE FOR BATCH PLANTS PROPOSED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS OF WEST ALLIS, BUT WE HAVE TRULY REACHED THE POINT OF SATURATION HERE.

THIS IS NOT A WEST ALLIS PROBLEM.

THE DALLAS REGION IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING CLASSIFIED FOR PARTICULATE MANNER NON ATTAINMENT, MEANING, WE DON'T MEET THE NATIONAL AMBIENT AIR QUALITY STANDARDS THAT ARE DESIGNED TO PROTECT US.

THE TCEQ IS NOT MONITORING FOR PARTICULATES IN THIS AREA AT ALL AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE CITY'S AIR QUALITY SENSOR IS NOT PROPERLY LOCATED GIVEN THE PREVAILING WIND DIRECTION TO ACCURATELY REFLECT THE AIR QUALITY.

THERE'S NO ACCOUNTING FOR THE CUMULATIVE HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT THIS AREA IS CREATING FOR THE THOUSANDS OF YOUTH WHO USE THIS PARK EVERY YEAR.

THIS APPLICANT HAS 18 TCEQ AIR AND WATER QUALITY VIOLATIONS AND THREE LEGAL ENFORCEMENT CASES AGAINST THEM ALL WITHIN THE PAST FOUR YEARS.

AMONG THE ALLEGATIONS ARE FAILURE TO MITIGATE DST FAILURE TO INSTALL PROTECTIVE MATERIAL CONTAINMENTS AND FAILURE TO SUBMIT EMISSIONS MONITORING.

THERE IS SIMPLY NO MARGIN FOR ERROR WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL OPERATOR THIS CLOSE TO A RECREATIONAL FACILITY FOR CHILDREN.

THE DALLAS PARK BOARD AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION HAVE PASSED RECOMMENDATIONS AS A CITY ADOPT A NEW POLICY THAT PROTECTS DALLAS PARKS FROM HEAVY INDUSTRIAL POLLUTION.

WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY BE PROTECTING OUR $31 MILLION INVESTMENT AT THIS PARK AND ADVANCING OUR COMMITMENT TO HAVING A WORLD CLASS PARKS SYSTEM.

PLEASE VOTE TO DENY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, TIM DICKEY, 3134 LOCKMORE LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS, 75220.

>> TIMOTHY DICKEY.

LAST MARCH 11, WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING CALLED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO TAKE COMMUNITY INPUT ON A PROPOSED RENEWAL OF A CONCRETE CRUSHING PLANT ON LUNA ROAD ACROSS FROM OUR PARK PROPERTIES THERE.

IN THAT MEETING, THIS APPLICANT, THE CITY HAS AN ACTIVE LAWSUIT AGAINST THE APPLICANT AND THE TCEQ HAS FINED THAT APPLICANT $27,000 FOR NON COMPLIANCE FOR AIR QUALITY.

IN THE COMMUNITY, WE ASKED THE PLANNERS THAT WERE THERE LIKE, WELL, CAN'T YOU CONSIDER THIS BAD RECORD WHEN YOU CONSIDER RENEWING THIS SUP AND THEY TOLD US, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

THE APPLICANT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

THIS IS A LAND USE QUESTION.

WE WERE SHOCKED AND DISAPPOINTED, BUT I GUESS THOSE ARE THE RULES.

WELL, IT SEEMS TO ME THOSE RULES APPLY HERE.

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE APPLICANT, IT'S ABOUT THE LAND USE.

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE WHO, IT'S ABOUT THE WHAT AND THE WHERE.

IN THIS CASE, THE PUTTING A SECOND BATCH PLANT AND THIS ONE IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE ELM FORK ATHLETIC COMPLEX.

PUTTING A SECOND BATCH PLANT THERE,

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I BELIEVE IS BAD POLICY.

SPEAKING OF POLICY, ON A BIGGER PICTURE, I THINK IT'S WAY PAST TIME FOR THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY TO COME UP WITH A POLICY ON WHERE THESE PLANTS CAN REASONABLY GO IN THE CITY.

WE HAVE TO HAVE BATCH PLANTS.

DON'T QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

BUT FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS, AT LEAST, THE POLICY, UNOFFICIALLY, HAS BEEN TO CLUSTER THEM ALL ACROSS FROM OUR PARK PROPERTIES IN THIS PART OF DISTRICT 6.

I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.

WE NEED TO GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION BECAUSE OUR LONG TERM VIABILITY OF OUR PARK PROPERTIES IS IN QUESTION.

I THINK IF YOU WOULD FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION AND DENY THIS APPLICATION, IT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD FIRST STEP IN THAT NEW DIRECTION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

>> THANK YOU. GARRET BOONE.

>> MY NAME IS GARRET BOONE. I LIVE AT 2417 LOVING AVENUE.

I'M HERE TODAY TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF THE HEALTH AND WELL BEING OF THOUSANDS OF KIDS WHO USE MONEYGRAM SOCCER COMPLEX AND BECAUSE OF THAT, I FEEL OBLIGATED TO OPPOSE APPROVAL OF A CHANGE IN ZONING OF THE PROPERTY AT 2001 MANANA FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.

THAT WOULD ALLOW ANOTHER CONCRETE BATCH PLANT CLOSE TO THE PARK.

I KNOW THERE ARE LOTS OF CONCRETE PLANTS IN THE AREA, BUT THIS ONE AND ANOTHER ONE, WHICH IS CALLED THE BURN CO. PLANT THAT IS PERIPHERAL TO THE MONEYGRAM PARK.

THE PREVAILING WINDS FROM THAT PLANT BLOW THE POLLUTION DIRECTLY ACROSS THE FIELDS.

THAT WAS PERMITTED IN 2017 WHEN THE ZONING ORDERS DID NOT ALLOW THE ZONING TO BE CHANGED.

WE CAN'T UNDO THAT MISTAKE, BUT WE CAN AVOID MAKING ANOTHER ONE.

HAVING ANOTHER BATCH PLANT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MONEYGRAM FIELD WOULD DEFINITELY INCREASE THE POLLUTION THAT THE KIDS WOULD COME IN CONTACT WITH.

FEEL THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE.

EFFECTS OF PARTICULATE MATTER POLLUTION FROM THESE PLANTS HAS BEEN WELL DOCUMENTED.

RESPIRATORY ISSUES, CARDIOVASCULAR ISSUES, ASTHMA, EVEN SCARIER MICROSCOPIC PARTICLES OF DUST THAT ARE ABSORBED IN THE BODY AND AFFECT DIFFERENT ORGANS OF THE BODY.

SOCCER IS A VERY AEROBICALLY DEMANDING GAME REQUIRING CONSTANT RUNNING AND BREATHING HARD AND DEEP BREATHING.

THIS HIGH LEVEL OF AEROBIC ACTIVITY MAKES THESE USE MORE VULNERABLE TO THE TOXICITY OF THIS PARTICULAR MATTER POLLUTION, INHALING MORE POLLUTION, BREATHING MORE DEEPLY.

MONEYGRAM IS A CITY PARK.

IT IS INCONCEIVABLE AN ATHLETIC COMPLEX, ANYWHERE ELSE IN A CITY ATTACHED TO A SCHOOL, WOULD HAVE A CONCRETE BATCH PLANT NEXT TO IT.

IT IS ALSO INCONCEIVABLE NEIGHBORHOOD NOT RISE UP WHEN WE'RE PROPOSED.

I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE WORLD COMMUNITY IS GOING TO THINK WHEN THEY COME TO MONEYGRAM PARK AND SEE ALL THE CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS IN THE AREA.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO BATCH PLANTS.

I KNOW THEY ARE CRITICALLY NECESSARY TO OUR BUILT ENVIRONMENT, BUT THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANOTHER ONE AT MONEYGRAM, THAT WOULD INCREASE THE DANGER OF THE HEALTH RISK TO KIDS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. JOSHUA MANAN.

>> MR. MENHENNETT, YOU'RE ON MUTE.

MR. MENHENNETT, CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE'LL COME BACK. ESTER VIAREAL [PHONETIC].

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. ESTER VIAREAL, 1900 BLOCK OF MCBROOM STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS.

I WILL HAVE THE HONOR OF READING A LETTER SUBMITTED BY REPRESENTATIVE RAPHAEL ANCHIA, WHO REPRESENTS DISTRICT 103.

CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS EMIT FINE PARTICULATE MATTER THAT CAN EMBED DEEPLY IN THE LUNGS AND CAUSE SERIOUS RESPIRATORY AND CARDIOVASCULAR PROBLEMS, INCLUDING IRREGULAR HEARTBEAT, AGGRAVATED ASTHMA, DECREASED LUNG FUNCTION, AND DIFFICULTY BREATHING.

MONEYGRAM IS AN OFFICIAL FC DALLAS YOUTH TRAINING FACILITY.

YOUTH, THE ELDERLY, AND PEOPLE EXPERIENCING EXISTING RESPIRATORY CONDITIONS REMAIN UNUSUALLY SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE HEALTH IMPACTS OF AIR POLLUTION.

THE YOUTH ESPECIALLY SUFFER WHEN PHYSICALLY ACTIVE OUTDOORS IN PART BECAUSE THEY BREATHE MORE AIR, THUS MORE AIR POLLUTION RELATIVE TO THEIR SIZE.

WE MUST FURNISH A SAFER ENVIRONMENT FOR THE THOUSANDS OF YOUNG ATHLETES ENJOYING THESE FACILITIES EACH YEAR.

AS STATE REPRESENTATIVE FOR HOUSE DISTRICT 103, ANCHIA REPEATEDLY SPONSORED LEGISLATION TO IMPROVE POOR AIR QUALITY BY ALLOWING THE STATE TO CONSIDER THE CONCENTRATION OF INDUSTRIAL POLLUTION FROM EXISTING NEARBY SOURCES.

THERE EXISTS NO STATE LAW OR POLICY ALLOWING TCEQ TO CONSIDER CUMULATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL OR HEALTH IMPACTS FROM THESE USES.

TCEQ IS ALSO UNABLE TO CONSIDER THE APPROPRIATENESS OF A PROPOSED SITE LOCATION WHEN ISSUING A PERMIT.

THOSE DECISIONS ARE ENTRUSTED TO CITY OFFICIALS.

IN MARCH, REPRESENTATIVE ANCHIA'S OFFICE FACILITATED A STAKEHOLDER MEETING WITH THE TCEQ TO DISCUSS ONGOING AIR QUALITY ISSUES

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CREATED BY INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES IN HOUSE DISTRICT 103.

THE TCEQ PROVIDED A MAP THAT IDENTIFIED 18 ALREADY PERMITTED AGGREGATE FACILITIES, SUCH AS, ROCK CRUSHERS, CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS WITHIN A ONE MILE RADIUS OF THIS MONEYGRAM PARK.

DURING THE ABOVE REFERENCED CALL, REPRESENTATIVE ANCHIA ALSO ADVOCATED FOR THE PLACEMENT OF A PM REGULATORY AIR QUALITY MONITOR AT THE DALLAS ELM FORK STATION, WHICH WOULD HELP POLICYMAKERS BETTER UNDERSTAND THE OVERALL IMPACT OF THE SUBJECT AREA ON THE DALLAS FORT WORTH REGIONAL PM NON ATTAINMENT DESIGNATION CURRENTLY BEING CONSIDERED BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. TSION AMARE

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS TSION AMARE.

I'M THE MANAGER OF THE TEXAS POLITICAL AFFAIRS TEAM WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE FUND.

EDF IS A LEADING GLOBAL NONPROFIT, WORKING IN OVER 30 COUNTRIES ON SOME OF OUR BIGGEST CLIMATE ENVIRONMENTAL CHALLENGES INCLUDING AIR POLLUTION IMPACTS.

WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH TEXAS STATE LAWMAKERS, STAKEHOLDERS, ESPECIALLY IN THE HOUSTON AREA ON CONCRETE BATCH PLANS AND ITS IMPACT.

CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS, LIKE MENTIONED, EMIT HIGH LEVELS OF DUST AND PARTICULAR MATTER, ESPECIALLY AFFECTING OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDPARENTS.

THIS IS ALSO ONE OF THE DEADLIEST KINDS OF AIR POLLUTION.

MANY STUDIES HAVE LINKED IT TO SERIOUS HEALTH CONDITIONS LIKE MENTIONED IN OTHER TESTIMONIES, INCLUDING CANCER.

OUR MOST RECENT RESEARCH ACT SHOWED THAT IN SOME CITIES IN TEXAS, IT WAS LINKED TO 5,000 PREMATURE DEATHS, JUST THIS KIND OF POLLUTION.

YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE DAMAGE THAT THIS WOULD DO TO KIDS PLAYING IN A NEARBY SOCCER PARK AND BREATHING IN THESE CONTAMINANTS ON A REGULAR BASIS.

IN ADDITION TO THESE HEALTH CONCERNS, THE ZONING APPLICANT ALSO HAS DEMONSTRATED A PATTERN OF BAD FAITH PRACTICES.

OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS AS MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT HAS AMASSED 18 VIOLATION CASES, RANGING FROM WATER TO AIR QUALITY INFRACTIONS.

THESE REPEATED VIOLATIONS SHOW A SERIOUS FAILURE TO IMPLEMENT THE NECESSARY SAFEGUARDS TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF OUR AIR, WATER, AND COMMUNITY.

THESE ARE THE OPERATORS WE DO NOT NEED IN OUR COMMUNITIES, AND THESE ARE THE OPERATORS WE DEFINITELY DO NOT NEED NEAR ONE OF THE LARGEST CITY OWNED SOCCER PARKS.

WE STRONGLY URGE YOU TO GIVE SPECIAL CONSIDERATION TO CUMULATIVE IMPACTS OF CLUSTERING THESE FACILITIES IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO SENSITIVE AREAS LIKE PARKS, SCHOOLS, CHURCHES.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT OUR MOST VULNERABLE, CHILDREN, OUR SENIORS, AND FAMILIES.

EDF WELCOMES ANY QUESTIONS AND FURTHER COLLABORATIONS ON THIS, AND I'M ALSO HAPPY TO SHARE OUR RESEARCH ON THIS.

>> THANK YOU. I'LL GO BACK TO JOSHUA MENHENNETT.

>> HELLO, I'LL BE SHARING A VIDEO. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

>> WE CAN HEAR YOU AND SEE YOU, YOU MAY CONTINUE.

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THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

YOUR NEXT SPEAKER, JOHN MARTINEZ.

>> MAYOR, CITY MANAGER, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME TODAY AND YOUR SERVICE.

I'M IN AUSTIN A LOT RIGHT NOW.

I'M IN SESSION AFTER SESSION COMMITTEES WHERE WE'RE JUST CONSTANTLY KNOCKING DOWN SMALL BUSINESSES.

IT SEEMS EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE LAST FEW DECADES WE'RE JUST THROWING IT OUT THE DOOR.

I'M AMAZED AT HOW MANY OF THE REPRESENTATIVES SAY, I KNOW I WAS A COAUTHOR.

I SUPPORTED THIS 15 YEARS AGO, BUT NOW I WANT TO GO THE OPPOSITE WAY AND THIS HURTS SMALL BUSINESSES.

I HEARD THE ARGUMENTS TODAY, AND THEY'RE ALL VALID ARGUMENTS, BUT HAVING THESE CONCRETE TRUCKS, AND CONCRETE ONLY HAS A LIMITED SHELF LIFE, SO HAVING THEM COME FROM A FURTHER DISTANCE, NOT ONLY CREATES MORE POLLUTION, CREATES MORE TRAFFIC FROM DALLAS, KNOWING WE DON'T NEED THAT, BUT I WANT TO GET EVEN DOWN TO THE MORE GRANULAR.

THIS IS A SMALL BLACK-OWNED BUSINESS.

ASK YOURSELF, HOW MANY OTHER BLACK-OWNED BATCH PLANTS DO YOU HAVE IN DALLAS.

I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE OTHER 16, 17, HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE THAT? WE CAN'T BE THAT WE WANT TO PROMOTE THESE BUSINESSES AND THEN EVERY TIME THEY GET TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE ALMOST GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL, WE PULL IT OUT OF THE WAY.

NOW, WE MAY NEED TO CREATE POLICY AT THE CITY LEVEL AND THE STATE LEVEL, BUT DON'T HOLD THIS SMALL BLACK BUSINESS AT YOUR MERCY BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE OUR JOB YET AT CREATING A POLICY THAT'S FAIR FOR EVERYONE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. DEBBIE SOLIS.

>> DEAR, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS DEBBIE OROSCO SOLIS.

I LIVE AT 2322 KENESAW ON DISTRICT 6.

I'M HERE SPEAKING AGAINST THE ZONING CASE.

I ASK YOU TO PLEASE NOT CHANGE THE ZONING FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.

I AGREE WITH OUR CPC AND BELIEVE THAT NOW IS WHAT IS NEEDED.

I HAVE COME TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER MONEYGRAM SOCCER PARK WITH THIS 120 ACRES, A PARK THAT THE CITY OWNS.

YOU OWN THIS. THIS MONEY THAT YOU GAVE FOR THIS PARK, SO PLEASE THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY.

OUR CHILDREN SHOULD BE ABLE TO ENJOY A CLEANER ENVIRONMENT THAN WHAT I HAD GROWING UP IN DISTRICT 6, AND IT'S BEEN BAD IN DISTRICT 6.

IT NEEDS TO STOP, STOP PUTTING THOSE THINGS.

I DO FEEL BAD BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S A SMALL BUSINESS, BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT.

THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. THE OPERATOR HAS OPERATED ANOTHER BATCH PLAN IN DALLAS.

AT THE OTHER LOCATION, THEY HAVE 14 REPEATED WATER QUALITY VIOLATIONS.

THESE ARE VIOLATIONS THAT ARE FAILING TO MONITOR THE QUALITY OF THE STORM WATER AS IT RUNS OFF THE PROPERTY.

THE RECEIVING WATER BODY IS THE TRINITY RIVER.

DID YOU HEAR? THE TRINITY RIVER DIRECTLY.

THEY HAVE ALSO RECEIVED FOUR AIR QUALITY VIOLATIONS.

THEIR TRACK RECORD OF VIOLATIONS TELLS IT ALL.

THANK YOU, KATHERINE AND THE CITY ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSIONER FOR ALL THE WORK AND FOR EMPOWERING US TO COME AND SPEAK.

WE'RE JUST NEIGHBORS THAT WANT BETTER QUALITY.

WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SMELL AND BE OUTSIDE, AND WE CARE FOR OUR CHILDREN. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. RONNIE MESTIS.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.

RONNIE MESTIS, 3215 RUTZ STREET, WEST DALLAS, TEXAS.

I OPPOSE THIS BATCH PLANT BEING PERMITTED THERE AND ALSO THE ZONING REQUEST FOR CHANGE.

THE ZONING NEEDS TO STAY WHERE IT'S NOT SO MUCH POLLUTED.

IT'S JUST MIND BOGGLING THAT THE CLUSTERING OF THESE FACTORIES ARE THERE.

I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT ONE OF THE PRIOR SPEAKERS SAID ABOUT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE BATCH PLANTS. YOU HAVE TO HAVE CEMENT.

I WAS ON A PARK NOT LONG AGO, AND YOU CAN SIT ON THE TOP OF THIS LANDFILL, AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS, A LANDFILL, AND YOU CAN SEE THE CRANES, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE BATCH PLANTS.

IT'S JUST HITS YOU THAT, YOU NEED BOTH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT CAN'T OPERATE LIKE IT'S OPERATING.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO OWNS IT, WHETHER YOU'RE WHITE, BLACK, CHINESE, WHATEVER.

THAT POLLUTION AND THAT CONTAMINATION DOESN'T DISCRIMINATE.

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WE LOSE BLACK RESIDENTS EVERY DAY IN WEST DALLAS FROM THE PRIOR YEARS, THE 50 YEARS AGO STUFF THAT'S HAPPENING, AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO STOP IT.

THEY'RE 50, THEY'RE 60-YEAR-OLDS.

THEY DON'T MAKE IT TO THEIR '70S.

I'VE BEEN FORTUNATE BECAUSE I LEFT TOWN A FEW YEARS AGO AND I JOINED THE NAVY, AND I LIVED FOR 20 YEARS.

I'M NOT AS PHYSICALLY DAMAGED BY THE POLLUTION OF MY ENVIRONMENT, BUT I KNOW RESIDENTS THAT THEY'RE PASSING AWAY EVERY DAY, AND THERE'S ALWAYS A MEMORIAL HERE OR A PRAY FOR ME HERE.

THIS IS JUST A DIRTY INDUSTRY THAT DOESN'T NEED TO CONTINUE AND THE CLUSTERING IN THAT AREA. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. BARRY LACHMAN.

>> HONORED MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, I AM DR. BARRY LACHMAN.

I'M A PEDIATRICIAN.

I'M ALSO THE COMMISSIONER FOR DISTRICT 12 OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION.

I'M INTERNATIONALLY KNOWN FOR MY EXPERTISE IN THE HEALTH HAZARDS OF INVOLVING ASTHMA AND AIR QUALITY.

LATELY, ONE OF THE AREAS THAT I'VE BEEN PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT IS SMALL PARTICULATE MATTER PM 2.5, WHICH, IN DALLAS, THESE CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS ARE THE SECOND LARGEST SOURCE AND THEY ARE DIFFERENTIALLY LOCATED IN LOW-INCOME MARGINALIZED AREAS SO THAT THERE'S INCREASED HEALTH RISK TO THE CHILDREN FROM THIS PROPOSED BATCH PLANT THAT NEEDS TO BE HEDGED.

I LOOKED UP ON THE PARKLAND INDEX OF VULNERABILITY.

THE PARTICULAR CENSUS TRACT IF THIS BATCH PLANT IS BUILT WILL GO FROM A MARGINAL STATUS TO A RISK STATUS BECAUSE OF THE PM 2.5.

THE ARTICLE THIS MORNING IN THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, THE OWNER SAID SOMETHING ABOUT MITIGATING THAT RISK, SO THEY REALIZED THE RISK AND STILL WANT YOU TO APPROVE THIS.

WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THEIR CONCERN ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITY? THEY'RE SAYING THEY'LL DO THINGS TO MITIGATE THE RISK, BUT WE'VE HAD THAT BEFORE, AND THE REALITY IS ONCE YOU APPROVE IT, IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.

THEY SHOULD HAVE TO DO IT, PUT MONEY UP FIRST TO SHOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE DONE AND LOSE IT IF THEY DON'T DO IT.

BECAUSE WE NEED TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF OUR CHILDREN, AND OUR CHILDREN'S HEALTH WILL BE IN DANGER IF YOU VOTE TO OVERTURN WHAT THE ZONING COMMISSION HAS RECOMMENDED. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WILLIS JOHNSON.

>> HONORABLE MAYOR, WILLIS JOHNSON, 1001 BELLEVIEW.

I'VE COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR YEARS ON A NUMBER OF ISSUES FOR THE BETTERMENT OF DALLAS, BUT TODAY, I'M HERE AS A FATHER.

THAT'S NOT AN APPLICANT, OWNER.

THAT'S MY SON. BJ JOHNSON IS MY SON, AND MAYOR, IF THAT WAS YOUR SON, YOU'D BE HERE TOO.

J [INAUDIBLE] IS NOT AN OBJECT.

IT'S A PERSON. MY SON HAS WORKED HARD AT HIS CRAFT.

HE'S ON AN ISLAND. HE'S A SMALL BUSINESS IN A GOOD OLD BOYS WORLD THAT HAS TO DEAL WITH THE CHALLENGES OF THIS SYSTEM.

HAS HE MADE MISTAKES AS A BUSINESS OWNER? YEAH, BUT HE CORRECTED THEM JUST, LIKE A NUMBER OF YOU HAVE MADE MISTAKES AS WELL.

THIS BATCH PLANT IS NOT NEXT TO A SOCCER FIELD.

IT'S TWO MILES AWAY.

THERE'S A FOREST IN BETWEEN IT.

IT'S NOT NEXT TO.

THERE ARE NINE OF THE BATCH PLANTS.

THE BATCH PLANT THAT'S NEXT TO THE SOCCER FIELD, NOBODY SEEMS TO BE TALKING TO THEM.

THE PLANNING STAFF GAVE APPROVAL, AND WE'VE HAD THE APPROVAL OF THE DISTRICT 6 COUNCIL MEMBER.

>> I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAS OCCURRED SINCE THEN.

WE GAVE YOU A PACKET.

IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE VIDEO, YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS BATCH PLANT IS NOT NEXT TO THE SOCCER FIELD.

THE DALLAS REGIONAL CHAMBER SAYS.

>> THAT'S YOUR TIME.

>> 76% OF THESE BUSINESSES ARE SMALL BUSINESSES. THAT'S ONE OF THEM.

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>> THANK YOU. FOLASHADE AFOLABI.

SORRY, IF I MISPRONOUNCED YOUR NAME.

>> NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. IT'S FOLASHADE AFOLABI.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY.

MY NAME IS DOCTOR FOLASHADE AFOLABI.

I'M IN DISTRICT 2 AT 23: 20 THROCKMORTON, AND I'M A PEDIATRIC PULMONOLOGIST, AND ASTHMA SPECIALIST, AND A MEMBER OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COMMITTEE.

I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED ZONING OF THE CONCRETE BATCH PLANT THAT'S LESS THAN 2 MILES AWAY FROM WHERE CHILDREN ARE GOING TO PLAY AND EXERCISE.

WE ALL KNOW THAT BACH PRESS RELEASE THIS PARTICULATE MATTER, THIS PM 2.5 AND PM 10, AND THERE ARE THESE TINY DUST PARTICLES THAT COME FROM THE CEMENT AND GRAVEL.

THEY CAN ACTUALLY TRAVEL REALLY QUICKLY FOR MILES AND MILES, JUST LIKE WILDFIRE.

THEY ARE SO SMALL THAT THEY CAN EVEN BYPASS THE BODY'S NATURAL DEFENSES, LODGE DEEP INTO THE LUNGS, AND CROSS INTO THE BLOOD.

THIS IS PARTICULARLY DANGEROUS FOR CHILDREN.

THEIR LUNGS ARE STILL DEVELOPING.

THEY BREATHE MORE AIR PRO POUND OF BODY WEIGHT THAN ADULTS. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? EVEN SHORT-TERM EXPOSURES CAN TRIGGER ASTHMA ATTACKS.

THEY CAN LEAD TO PERSISTENT COUGHING AND WHEEZING AND EVEN REDUCE HOW THEIR LUNGS GROW OVER TIME.

BLACK CHILDREN HAVE A HIGHER RATE OF ASTHMA AND THEY'RE TWO TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DIE OF ASTHMA.

THESE TRIGGERS ARE NOT ONLY DANGEROUS, THEY'RE UNJUST.

THIS IS NOT JUST DUST.

IT'S DIESEL TRUCKS AND MACHINERY AND NITROGEN OXIDES AND OTHER POLLUTANTS AS WELL, WHICH FURTHER IRRITATE THE AIRWAYS AND COMPOUND THE RISK.

STUDIES SHOW THAT CHILDREN LIVING IN OR GOING TO SCHOOL NEAR INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES LIKE BATCH PLANTS ARE MORE LIKELY TO END UP IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM.

TODAY, I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER DENYING THE ZONING. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANNA REYES.

ANNA REYES IS NOT PRESENT. RANDI JONES.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, HONORABLE MAYOR.

MY NAME IS RANDI JONES, AND I AM HERE TO URGE YOU TO FOLLOW YOUR PROFESSIONAL CITY STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE JM PERUM REQUEST FOR A ZONING CHANGE IN SPECIAL USE PERMIT AT 2000 MANANA IN DISTRICT 6.

READY MIX CONCRETE CASH PLANTS ARE ESSENTIAL TO MAINTAINING DALLAS' KEY INFRASTRUCTURE.

POTHOLES AND HIGHWAYS TO PARKS AND HOTELS.

ALL OF THESE PROJECTS RELY ON READY MIX.

THE AREA SURROUNDING 2000 MANANA IN DISTRICT 6 HAS LONG BEEN AN INDUSTRIAL HUB AND IS ALREADY HOME TO MANY OTHER BATCH PLANTS.

BECAUSE CONCRETE MUST BE POURED WITHIN 1 HOUR OF MIXING, BATCH PLANTS MUST BE CLOSE TO WORK SITES WHILE REMAINING IN DESIGNATED INDUSTRIAL ZONES TO AVOID HEAVY TRUCKING AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

THE HUB IN DISTRICT 6 PERFECTLY BALANCES THESE NEEDS AND THERE IS NO OTHER PROPERLY ZONED AREA IN THE CITY WHERE THESE PLANTS CAN RELOCATE AND STILL EFFECTIVELY SERVE THE CITY OF DALLAS.

NOW, IF BASH PLANTS ARE DENIED ACCESS TO THIS HUB AND PUSHED OUT THE CITY, IT WOULD BE DEVASTATING ON THE ECONOMIC IMPACT FOR DALLAS.

NOW ACCORDING TO NUMBERS FROM THE DALLAS CITY APPRAISAL DISTRICT, THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS ESTIMATED 2024 TAX REVENUE FROM THESE EXISTING BASH PLANTS IN DISTRICT 6 WAS MORE THAN $100,000.

CONSIDER HOW MUCH THE CITY IS SPENDING ON CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE PROJECT.

WITHOUT ASH POINTS TO SUPPLY THESE MATERIALS.

IT WOULD CRIPPLE DALLAS' ABILITY TO DELIVER ON THIS 912.2 MILLION DOLLAR FOR CAPITAL BUDGET IMPROVEMENTS.

KEEPING DISTRICT 6 AS AN INDUSTRIAL HUB IS ESSENTIAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR GREAT CITY.

I ASK YOUR SUPPORT IN APPROVING THIS REQUEST SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE PROVIDING HIGH-QUALITY LOCALLY SOURCED MATERIALS FOR THE GROWTH OF DALLAS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

>> THANK YOU. RITA BEVIN.

>> MY NAME IS RITA BEVIN.

I'M THE NORTH TEXAS REPRESENTATIVE FOR PUBLIC CITIZEN.

BEFORE I GET STARTED IN MY REMARKS, I WANT TO FINISH OFF REPRESENTATIVE AGAS'S FINAL COMMENT ON HIS LETTER THAT MS. VERI COULDN'T GET TO.

THE DALLAS PARK BOARD, THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION, AND THE DALLAS ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION OF WHICH I'M A TECHNICAL ADVISOR ON,

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I URGE YOU TO CONCUR WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM DOZENS OF DALLAS APPOINTEES, ALL ENTRUSTED BY THE CITY TO ADVISE A MATTER SUCH AS THESE, AND DENY THIS ZONING REQUEST.

I'M NOT AGAINST CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS, BUT I AM AGAINST BAD OPERATORS.

FRANKLY, THIS OPERATOR HAS HAD 18 VIOLATIONS AND THREE ENFORCEMENT CASES JUST WITHIN THE PAST FOUR YEARS.

THE OTHER THING WE FAILED TO MENTION IS THAT THIS OPERATOR EVEN HAS LABOR VIOLATIONS, FORCED IN 2019 TO PAY MORE THAN $24,000 IN BACK WAGES TO EMPLOYEES FOR FAILURE TO PAY OVERTIME WAGES TO EMPLOYEES AS HE ONLY PAID WEEKLY SALARIES, REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY HOURS THEY WORKED, RESULTING IN OVERTIME VIOLATIONS.

WHAT WERE HIS VIOLATIONS FOR HAVING THE SAND OVER THE LEVEL OF THE BUNKER, EXPOSING MATERIALS TO WIND GOING AIRBORNE, FAILING TO MEET SPECIAL CONDITIONS OF A PERMIT, LIKE PAVING THE ROAD, THEREFORE, LETTING AND EMISSIONS GO INTO THE AIR? FAILING TO RECORD QUARTERLY VISIBLE EMISSIONS.

HOW MANY VIOLATIONS DOES ONE HAVE BEFORE ENOUGH IS ENOUGH? DENY THIS PERMIT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. BJ. JOHNSON.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR.

ESTEEM COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS BJ.

JOHNSON. I'M A LIFELONG DALLAS AREA, RESIDENT, A FATHER OF THREE, AND A YOUTH COACH.

I AM THE CEO OF JM PERUM, NORTH TEXAS ONLY LOCAL MINORITY-OWNED RADY MIXED CONCRETE COMPANY.

WE PROVIDE HIGH-QUALITY LOW EMISSION CONCRETE ACROSS THE DFW AREA, AND WE PROBABLY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN CITY OF DALLAS PROJECTS LIKE REDBIRD MALL, CLYDE WARREN PARK, AND THE MILL CREEK TUNNEL.

WE'RE CURRENTLY ACTIVELY WORKING ON TWO CITY AND SIDEWALK STREET REPAIR CONTRACTS AS OF TODAY, WE'RE REPLACING PEOPLE'S STREETS AND WE'RE REPLACING THE SIDEWALKS.

NOW, I KEEP HEARING THAT I'VE HAD 18 VIOLATIONS.

WE HAVE BEEN VISITED 18 TIMES BY TCEQ.

WE WERE IN FORCE FOR FOUR VIOLATIONS FOR NOT REPORTING OUR DMRS WHEN WE WERE ACTUALLY NOT OPERATING THE PATH PLANT.

I'M NOT A BAD ACTOR.

AS A SMALL BUSINESS, WE HAVE HAD OUR ISSUES, BUT WE HAVE ALSO ADDRESSED THEM AND WE TOOK IMMEDIATE ACTION.

NOW, SINCE THEN, WE HAVE PRIORITIZED STRICT ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE AND TCEQ HAS LEGALLY AUTHORIZED US TO OPERATE AT THIS SITE.

IF I WAS SUCH A BAD ACTOR, THEY WOULD HAVE NOT ISSUED ME ANOTHER AIR PERMIT.

WE ARE NOT ADJACENT TO THE MONEY GROUND PARK.

IT'S 20 ACRES OF LAND IN BETWEEN US, AND I WILL REMIND EVERYONE THAT THE MONEY GROUND PARK WAS BUILT ON TOP OF A LANDFILL AROUND EXISTING BATCH PLANTS.

TODAY, I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU APPROVE OUR ZONING CHANGE AND SUP REQUEST.

J PERM HAS BEEN A RELIABLE PARTNER TO THE CITY, ALONG WITH MY MENTOR AND BUSINESS PARTNER, JACK MATTHEWS, WE'RE COMMITTED TO EXCELLENT SAFETY, AND ENVIRONMENTAL RESPONSIBILITY.

THIS PLANT WOULD BE LOCATED IN EXISTING INDUSTRIAL HUB, ALONGSIDE OTHER BATCH PLANTS, AND ALLOW US TO CONTINUE SERVING THE CITY AS WE'VE DONE, SINCE BEING IN BUSINESS.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. VICTORIA HOWARD.

>> YES. THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

MY NAME IS VICTORIA HOWARD.

I AM CHAIR OF THE DALLAS SIERRA CLUB, AND I AM HERE TO ASK YOU TO DENY THE ZONING REQUEST.

I DON'T THINK THAT I COULD PUT A FINER POINT ON THE DANGERS OF PARTICULATE MATTER AND POLLUTION TO OUR YOUNG AND VULNERABLE CITIZENS, ALSO OUR OLDER CITIZENS, ANY MORE SUCCINCTLY THAN THE TWO MEDICAL DOCTORS PREVIOUSLY HAVE MENTIONED.

I WOULD LIKE TO DOUBLE DOWN THOUGH ON SOMETHING THAT ONE OF THE DOCTORS SAID, AND THAT IS NOT ONLY DO THE AMOUNT OF PARTICULATE FROM BATCH PLANTS AND INDUSTRIAL POLLUTERS.

COALESCE AND AFFECT EVERYONE IN THE SMALL 1-MILE RADIUS, WHERE THERE'S 18 DIFFERENT PERMITTED AGGREGATE FACILITIES IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER.

YOU ALSO HAVE A CREATION OF A POCKET OF POLLUTION FROM DIESEL RUNOFF, WHICH STUDIES IN MEXICO ARE SHOWING THAT PROLONGED EXPOSURE TO DIESEL FUMES IN YOUTH ARE HAVING HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS 16-18.

BECOME AFFECTED WITH ALZHEIMER'S.

YOU ALSO HAVE A CREATION WITHIN THIS SMALL SPACE, AN ISLAND,

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AND A QUAGMIRE OF POLLUTION AND CRAY THAT EVEN HEALTHY IMMUNE SYSTEMS WOULD HAVE TROUBLE DEALING WITH.

I WOULD APPRECIATE EVERYONE ON THE COUNCIL TAKING A MOMENT AND THINKING ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO DRAW A DEEP BREATH.

THEN THINKING ABOUT WHEN YOU DRAW THAT DEEP BREATH, ARE YOU HACKING AND COUGHING? IS YOUR NOSE BECOMING IRRITATED? ARE YOUR EYES WATERING? BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN, EVERY SECOND OF EVERY MOMENT THAT ARE VULNERABLE, ARE YOUNG, AND EVEN OUR REGULAR HEALTH CITIZENS WILL BE EXPERIENCING THE MORE THAT YOU PACK INDUSTRIAL POLLUTERS, PARTICULATE MATTER, DIESEL RUNOFF INTO A SMALL POCKET OF OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. THESE ARE YOUR REGISTER SPEAKERS.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM BY SHOW OF HANDS? IF SO PLEASE COME FORWARD AND HAVE A SEAT ON THE FIRST FEW ROWS CENTER SECTION AND THE FIRST INDIVIDUAL CAN COME TO THE PODIUM.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND YOU MAY BEGIN.

>> MY NAME IS RENEE ROBERTSON.

I'M ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSIONER FOR DISTRICT 8.

I'M ALSO PART OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION.

MY ADDRESS IS 1377 NOEL ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS, 7538.

I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'VE HEARD.

I THINK YOU GET THE POINT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE AN EXCESS OF PARTICULATE MATTER.

WE HAVE A DUTY, I THINK, TO PROTECT THE MOST VULNERABLE OF THE POPULATION.

THOSE PARTICULAR MATTERS, I DID HEAR, IF I'M CORRECT, THAT OWNERS OF PROPERTY NEAR THERE HAVE GOTTEN THAT ARE 300 FEET AWAY, HAVE GOTTEN LETTERS EXPLAINING WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT THOSE PARTICULAR MATTERS TRAVEL A LOT FURTHER.

I ALSO HAVE A MEDICAL BACKGROUND AS A NURSE, AND WE SEE A LOT OF ASTHMA AND OTHER CANCER COMING FROM AREAS THAT ARE HEAVILY POLLUTED IN THAT WAY.

I'M ASKING OPPOSITION TO THAT JUST BECAUSE WE WANT TO PROTECT THE MOST VULNERABLE OF THE POPULATION.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I HEARD WAS MITIGATING AND WHAT HAPPENS IF WE CHANGE THE ZONING, EVEN IF THIS COMPANY IS WILLING TO MITIGATE AND DO THE THINGS THEY NEED TO DO, THE NEXT ONE MAY NOT.

BY THE TIME THAT HAPPENS, THESE CHILDREN ARE COMPROMISED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MR. MILLS. CITY MANAGER.

COMPLETE, COUNSEL.

MY NAME IS JOHN PROCTOR 1524 OAK MEADOWS, DALLAS, TEXAS.

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS.

BUT GOT NINE BACH PLANS MINIMUM.

BUT WHAT I'M LISTENING TO IS LISTENING TO THAT WE AIN'T GOT NO BATCH PLANS THAT WE DON'T WANT NOTHING TO GO OUT THERE.

NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF ALL NOTICED THAT VIDEO.

I DID BECAUSE I SAW A LOT OF BLACK WORKERS DRIVING THE TRUCKS.

NOW, WE TALK ABOUT SMALL BUSINESS.

I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF BLACK CTRAC WE TALK ABOUT SMALL BUSINESS.

WE TALK ABOUT HIRING OUR OWN PEOPLE.

BUT NOW WHEN WE GET THAT IS UP, NOT YOU.

BUT WE GOT NINE. YOU WANT TO CHANGE SOME CHANGE DON'T CHANGE IT WHEN TO GET MY TURN. IT'S MY TURN.

THIS MAN HIM BLACK PEOPLE.

I DEAL WITH A LOT OF EX. PRAY THAT CDL DON'T STOP THEM BECAUSE I HIRED THEM.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THIS IS SO SIMPLE TO ME, BUT I'M SINCE I'M 76 YEARS OLD. I HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH IT BEFORE.

WHEN I GET TO MY TURN, WE GOT SOME VALUE.

WE COME WITH ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND ALL THESE ISSUES ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES EVERYWHERE.

BLACK MEN ARE DYING AT AGE SIX 2-YEARS-OLD.

THAT'S ENVIRONMENTAL TO ME.

LOOK AT WHAT HE'S DOING.

YOUNG BLACK BUSINESSMAN, HIND BLACK PEOPLE FROM THE BLACK COMMUNITY TRYING TO BUILD A BUSINESS, MARRIED, THREE CHILDREN. TALK ABOUT THAT.

NOT YOUR TURN IS MY TURN, NOT YOUR TURN.

COME ON. LET'S STOP THIS.

THIS MAN IS OPEN HE GOT A BUSINESS OPEN.

HE HIRE HIS PEOPLE. THINK ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL SAY, ALL WANT.

HIRE YOUR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY STOCK COMMIT CRIMES AND GO TO WORK.

HE BUY INTO THAT.

I KNOW, HERE HIRE MY PEOPLE. PLEASE.

>> THAT'S YOUR TIME.

>> TAKE THE COMMONS.

>> NEXT SPEAKER.

>> MAYOR, COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER.

MY NAME IS HARRISON BLAIR.

I'M REPRESENTING THE DALLAS BLACK CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TODAY,

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AND I JUST WANT TO LAY OUT THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS AN OPPORTUNITY HERE.

WE ARE NOT KNOWN FOR BEING EQUITABLE.

WE'RE NOT KNOWN FOR ALWAYS DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HELP SMALL BUSINESSES AND EVERYBODY'S WATCHING.

WE'RE SAYING THAT THIS PLANT IS GOING TO CAUSE EVEN MORE CONTAMINATION.

BUT IF WE MOVE IT OUT FURTHER, THEN THE PARTICULATES IS JUST GOING TO SPREAD ACROSS EVERY COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF STAYING WITHIN THE INDUSTRIAL HUB THAT'S DESIGNED FOR IT.

SINCE I'M OLDER, I'M GETTING ALL THESE GRAYS MAIL, I BROKE MY NOTES DOWN SO I HOPE IT'S OKAY IF I READ THESE TO YOU.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO SAY, MR. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HERE, THAT WE ARE ALSO A PART OF THE FABRIC THAT MAKES THE CITY GREAT.

IF YOU WANT AN ENVIRONMENTAL CASE TO SOLVE AS DR. PROCTOR SAID, THERE ARE PLENTY OF THEM THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DEAL WITH.

BUT IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THE CONCRETE PLANTS THAT ARE NEXT TO THE FIELD MOVE WHERE THE CITY OF DALLAS PUT APART, THEN WHY SHOULD WE DENY THIS BLACK MAN AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE JOBS? THANK YOU.

VALERIE BELLA, DALLAS, TEXAS.

>> MAYOR, COUNCIL.

I CAME HERE THIS MORNING TO ACTUALLY SPEAK ON THE PARKING REFORM, BUT I COULDN'T SIT IN MY SEAT WITHOUT SAYING SOMETHING TO YOU.

I AM A PARTNER IN A CONCRETE PLANT.

FOR FOUR YEARS, WE TRIED TO PUT A PLAN UP AROUND DALLAS, DESOTO, DUNCANVILLE, [INAUDIBLE] WE WERE ABLE TO FIND A SPACE IN ALVARADO, TEXAS.

SINCE THEN, WE'VE BEEN DENIED MATERIALS.

WE'VE BEEN THREATENED.

WE CONSTANTLY GET WHITE OWNERS TO TRY TO RUN US OUT OF ALVARADO.

I FEEL FOR WILLIS AND HIS SON.

I CAN TESTIFY TO YOU THAT THERE IS AN AGENDA ABOUT HAVING AFRICAN AMERICANS BEING A BUSINESS THAT IS DOMINATED BY MALE WHITE CONCRETE PLANTS.

IF IT'S IN A DISTRICT WHERE YOU ALREADY HAVE CONCRETE PLANTS, AND YOU'RE BRINGING ANOTHER CONCRETE PLANT AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO MILES AWAY FROM A PARK, I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME BAD ACTORS OUT IN EVERY COLOR.

WE ALL GET VIOLATIONS.

WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY VIOLATIONS.

BUT WHAT I SAY TO YOU IN THIS BUSINESS, THAT HAPPENS.

I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THIS AFRICAN AMERICAN PLANT. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR.

I FELT COMPELLED TO COME HERE AND TO SPEAK AFTER LISTENING TO EVERYBODY.

I AM A LIVED EXPERIENCE.

I'M BORN AND RAISED IN WEST DALLAS.

I COME HERE AS SOMEONE THAT CAN SPEAK ABOUT THE UNHEALTHY REPERCUSSIONS OF LIVING AROUND CONTAMINATION.

WE LIVED AROUND LEAD AND THEN WE HAD ALL THESE BATCH PLANTS.

WE SPENT MANY HOURS COMING TO CITY HALL, GATHERING INFORMATION BECAUSE I HAVE GRANDCHILDREN THAT ARE ASTHMATIC, AND WE HAVE TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN, ESPECIALLY THE CHILDREN THAT ARE GOING TO BE PLAYING SOCCER, WE HAVE TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN BECAUSE THESE ARE OUR FUTURE FOR OUR CITY, FOR OUR COUNTRY.

I HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT HAVE SMALL BUSINESSES.

I'M FOR SMALL BUSINESSES, BUT ME OUR CHILDREN, THE LITTLE HUMANS THAT IF YOU HAVE EVER EXPERIENCED A CHILD THAT HAVE ASTHMA ATTACKS OR REPERCUSSIONS OF JUST BEING AROUND THE BAD TOXIC ENVIRONMENT.

I ASK THAT YOU THINK VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THIS, AND I THINK THAT THERE COULD BE OTHER SOLUTIONS, BUT RIGHT NOW FOR THIS PARK IN THE PROXIMITY AND THE PARTICULATES, I THINK IT'S UNHEALTHY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> I'M SORRY. CAN I GET YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> I'M SORRY. MARY EL PARES, 2703, KINGSTON STREET, 75211.

>> HELLO. MY NAME IS DESTINY RAMIREZ AND I RESIDE AT 4146 WEISENBERGER DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS, 75212.

I'M IN DISTRICT 6, AND I'M READING ON BEHALF OF DR. ERICA SOLIS.

MY NAME IS DR. ERICA SOLIS.

I'M A PEDIATRICIAN AND A FOURTH GENERATION,

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WEST DALLAS RIDE, DISTRICT 6.

I'M WRITING IN OPPOSITION OF ZONING CASE Z234-328.

AS A PEDIATRICIAN, I AM AN ADVOCATE FOR CHILDREN'S HEALTH AND WELLNESS.

CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS ARE JUST A NUISANCE, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON HEALTH.

THE HARMFUL CONSEQUENCE OF AIR POLLUTION ON THE RESPIRATORY SYSTEM HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED FOR DECADES IN THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY.

CHILDREN AND INFANTS HAVE HIGHER BREATHING RATES THAN ADULTS, MAKING THEM ESPECIALLY AT RISK BECAUSE THEY RECEIVE HIGHER DOSES OF AIR POLLUTION WHEN THEIR SMALL BODIES ARE GROWING RAPIDLY.

CHILDREN WITH CHRONIC DISEASES SUCH AS ASTHMA ARE SUSCEPTIBLE TO AIR POLLUTION, LEADING TO ASTHMA EXACERBATIONS WITH SYMPTOMS OF WHEEZING, DECREASED LUNG FUNCTION, VISITS TO PEDIATRICIAN, AND IF SEVERE GOING TO THE ER OR BEING HOSPITALIZED.

DALLAS COUNTY LEADS NORTH TEXAS FOR CHILDHOOD ASTHMA-RELATED HOSPITALIZATIONS AND RESPIRATORY ISSUES, WHICH ARE THE LEADING CAUSE OF ABSTINENCE AMONG DALLAS ISD STUDENTS.

ZONING CASE Z234-328 PROPOSES TO CHANGE LAND USE IN NORTHWEST DALLAS FROM RIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.

ALLOWANCE OF CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS TO BE LOCATED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BY OUR CITY PARKS IS AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE.

THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND BATCH PLANT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO MONEYGRAM SOCCER PARK.

IT IS COMMON SENSE TO DENY THIS ZONING CASE.

DALLAS NEEDS CITYWIDE LAND USE, POLITICS TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF PEOPLE ENJOYING THEIR CITY OWNED PARKS.

EVERYONE IN DALLAS, ESPECIALLY THE VULNERABLE CHILDREN DESERVE TO BREATHE CLEAN AIR.

>> THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR, I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER SPEAKER.

THEREFORE, THIS CONCLUDES YOUR SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.

>> THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AT THIS POINT. IS THERE A MOTION?

>> YES, MR. MAYOR. I MOVED TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE, THE ZONING CHANGE AS RECOMMENDED BY CITY PLAN COMMISSION. I DO HAVE REMARKS.

>> IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION?

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR FOR FIVE MINUTES, CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ, ON YOUR MOTION TO DENY ON ITEM Z7 FOR THE PUBLIC?

>> WITH OR WITHOUT PREJUDICE?

>> WITHOUT PREJUDICE, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID?

>> WITHOUT. NO PREJUDICE.

>> MOTION IS TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

>> MR. MAYOR, 2017, I RAN TO BE ON THIS BODY, BECAUSE THIS COUNCIL VOTED TO APPROVE AND PAY FOR A LOAN OF $2.5 MILLION TO PUT A CEMENT BATCH PLANT BEHIND THE ONLY MIDDLE SCHOOL THAT WE HAVE HAD IN WEST DALLAS.

BY THE TIME I WAS ELECTED AND WAS SEATED, THE DISD SHUT THAT MIDDLE SCHOOL DOWN IN WEST DALLAS BECAUSE OF THE CEMENT BATCH PLANT.

I MADE A PROMISE TO MY RESIDENTS, MY NEIGHBORS, MY FRIENDS, AND MY FAMILY, THAT I WOULD NEVER VOTE OPPOSITE OF WHAT THEY TOLD ME TO.

I'VE KEPT THAT PROMISE THE ENTIRE TIME, NEVER, EVER BROKEN IT.

BUT THIS IS A HARD ONE FOR ME BECAUSE BJ JOHNSON IS A STAND UP STELLAR, AMAZING SMALL BUSINESS OWNER WHO HAVE BECOME FRIENDS WITH OVER TIME.

BUT I MADE A PROMISE.

I DID TELL BJ, THIS IS WHERE YOU BELONG BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE INDUSTRIAL IS LOCATED, AND THIS IS WHERE WE'VE SAID TO BE.

WE GOT EVERY SINGLE CEMENT BATCH PLANT OFF OF WEST COMMERCE STREET, MR. MAYOR, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

I KEPT MY PROMISE.

IT'S HARD FOR ME BECAUSE GUESS WHAT? WE ALL WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE NEED CEMENT TO BUILD THAT.

WE ALL WANT OUR STREETS SIDEWALKS, ALLEYS, BRIDGES, AND ROAD HIGHWAYS FIXED AND REPAIRED, AND YOU NEED CEMENT FOR THAT.

WE ALSO WANT TO PROTECT OUR PARKS, MR. MAYOR.

BUT WE EVEN NEED CEMENT FOR PARKS.

THE THING THAT REALLY SUCKS WITH THIS IS THAT I GET TO MAKE THE CHOICE. WHICH ONE DO I DO? I HAVE TO CHOOSE THE PROMISE THAT I MADE BECAUSE THAT'S INTERNAL FOR ME.

BUT I DO HAVE 33 DAYS LEFT ON THIS BODY.

[LAUGHTER] IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH TIME FOR WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO DO, CITY MANAGER, IS THIS BODY NEEDS TO FIGURE THIS OUT BECAUSE FOR SOME BUSINESSES, THE LATINO OWNED BATCH PLANTS HAVE HAD TO MOVE

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THREE AND FOUR TIMES OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS.

BJ IS NOT EVEN GOING TO START HIS BUSINESS BECAUSE WE KEEP MOVING AND SAYING, NO. NOBODY'S WRONG.

NOBODY ON BJ'S SIDE IS WRONG, AND NOBODY IN THE COMMUNITY IS WRONG.

EVERYBODY'S RIGHT, AND THAT'S WHAT REALLY MAKES THIS SUCK FOR ME.

I'M ASKING THAT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ENVIRONMENT COMMISSION, PARKS DEPARTMENT, TCQ, AND HOPEFULLY, COUNCILWOMAN ELECT [INAUDIBLE] CITY MANAGER TOLBERT, THAT YOU ALL CAN COME TOGETHER AND BRING SOMEBODY THAT DOES THE CEMENT BATCHING AS WELL AND FIGURE IT OUT.

BECAUSE IT'S UNFAIR FOR US TO HAVE NOT CLEAN AIR THAT WE CAN BREATHE, AND IT'S ALSO NOT FAIR TO PUT A YOUNG BLACK MALE OUT OF BUSINESS BEFORE HE EVEN GOT TO GET STARTED.

I'M TELLING YOU HE'S AN AMAZING GUY.

I CAME IN BECAUSE OF A CEMENT BATCH PLANT. IT'S FUNNY.

EIGHT YEARS AT THE END, I'M LEAVING BECAUSE OF A CEMENT BATCH PLANT.

BUT I'M DOING WHAT MY COMMUNITY SAID I'M SUPPOSED TO DO.

I KEEP MY PROMISE.

PLEASE, COLLEAGUES, LISTEN TO MY WEST DALLAS AND NORTHWEST DALLAS COMMUNITY.

TOGETHER, WE HAVE BUILT STRONGER NEIGHBORHOODS, AND WE WILL CONTINUE, BUT DON'T FORGET.

WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE THIS OUT ALL OF US TOGETHER IF WE'RE GOING TO KEEP BUILDING THOSE STRONGER NEIGHBORHOODS, BECAUSE IT TAKES CEMENT FOR THAT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> MRS. BLACKMAN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON ZONING ITEM Z7.

THE MOTION IS TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

>> THANK YOU, AND THANKS EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE.

THIS IS AN INTERESTING CASE FOR SURE.

I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND A LOT OF STUFF THAT'S NOT IN THE REPORT.

CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT IS THE NEAREST NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THIS AREA?

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCILWOMAN.

I'LL TRY. THERE ISN'T ONE NEARBY.

>> WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET IS THAT THE BASIC CRUX OF THIS IS THE MONEYGRAM PARK.

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> IS THERE ANYBODY FROM PARKS THAT CAN HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY WE PUT A PARK IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF THESE BATCH PLANTS? [APPLAUSE] I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN THAT HAPPENED, HOW IT HAPPENED.

HOW ARE ALL THESE SUPS ARE COMING UP? BECAUSE DENYING ONE AND THEN KEEPING ALL OF THEM, THIS IS A SCHIZOPHRENIC BLEND USE.

YOU'VE GOT A PARK WITH ALL OF THESE BATCH PLANTS, AND AS IT'S BEEN POINTED OUT, WE ARE ABOUT TO BUILD.

WE KNOW YOU HAVE THAT SHORT TIME FRAME TO GET TO A TO B BEFORE YOU LAY YOUR CONCRETE, OR POUR YOUR CONCRETE.

WE THEN PLOP A PARK IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS.

I'M TRYING TO UNDER IF PARKS IS LISTENING, YOU CAN COME ON DOWN BECAUSE I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT WHAT I'M ALSO TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS WHAT IS FORWARD DALLAS SAYING, OTHERS, JOHN? WHAT IS FORWARD DALLAS SAYING IN RELATION TO THIS? BECAUSE IT'S SAYING THAT THE COMPATIBILITY IN THE REPORT IS VERY MUCH, THIS IS COMPATIBLE WITH IT.

BUT YET WE HAVE THIS MONEYGRAM PARK IN THE MIDDLE AND I GOT THIS IS THE THIRD TIME IT'S COME UP THIS WEEK.

WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE? GO AHEAD, JOHN.

>> JOHN JENKINS, PARKS DIRECTOR.

JUST SOME BRIEF HISTORY.

AS THE GOLF COURSE, THE SHOOTING RANGE, THE TENNIS COURSE, THOSE ALL WERE PUT THERE BACK IN THE 1970S, EARLY '70S.

THE MONEYGRAM CAME UPON BECAUSE OF THE TRINA RIVER PROJECTS, AND IT WAS ONE OF THOSE BIG PROJECTS THAT WAS PUT IN, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS AROUND IN THE 2000S.

I WANT TO SAY IT WAS 2012.

RHINO CONN CAN HELP TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

>> YES, MA'AM.

THE INITIAL PLANNING FOR THE SITE STARTED IN THE MID 2000S, ABOUT 2007, AND IT WAS COMPLETED IN 2013, I BELIEVE.

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A LOT OF TIME WENT INTO THE PROJECT WITH ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION, ETC.

>> IT WAS COMPLETED IN 2013.

WERE THESE BATCH PLANTS THERE AT THAT TIME?

>> YES. I BELIEVE THE BATCH PLANTS STARTED TO MOVE INTO THE AREA IN THE 1980S.

>> THE '70S, WE HAD ALL THE COMPLEX, THE ELM FORT COMPLEX, THE '80S, THEN THE BATCH PLANTS CAME, AND THEN IN 2013, WE DECIDED TO PUT A SOCCER FIELD IN THE MIDDLE OF IT?

>> THAT'S WHEN IT WAS COMPLETED.

>> THAT'S WHAT WE DECIDED TO PUT THE SOCCER FIELD THERE.

IS THAT BASICALLY IT AROUND THE MONEYGRAM?

>> AS FAR AS MONEYGRAM, YEAH.

WE WASN'T INVOLVED WITH THE PLANNING FAR AS THE SOCCER COMPLEX, BUT WE KNOW IT WAS COMPLETED IN 2012.

BUT THE PLANNING PROBABLY STARTED.

>> MID 2007.

>> 2000S, YES.

>> BECAUSE FORWARD DALLAS WE JUST PASSED, AND IT IS TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PLACE THINGS.

WHAT IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE WHEN IT GROWS UP?

>> THIS IS ONE OF THE VERY SMALL THREE AREAS.

IN FORWARD DALLAS, THEY ARE INDICATED AS INDUSTRIAL HUB.

I CAN READ YOU THE LANGUAGE FROM THE PLAN.

IT SAYS, "INDUSTRIAL HUB PLACE TYPE COMPRISES OF AREAS THAT IDENTIFY FOR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL PRODUCTION, SALVAGE, AND STORAGE OPERATIONS.

THEY INCLUDE, SHOULD NOT BE LOCATED NEAR RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WHICH THEY ARE NOT.

INDUSTRIAL USES SUCH AS ASPHALT BASH PLANS, BOLT PROCESSING, WASTE COLLECTION, AND SALVAGE FACILITIES ARE CONTAINED IN THIS PLACE TYPE".

IT GOES ON TO ALSO SAY THAT THE CITY SHOULD INVEST CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IN THE PUBLIC ROADWAYS FOR THIS TYPE OF USES.

PERIMETER SITE DESIGN SHOULD INCORPORATE MORE GREEN SPACE TO COUNTER THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT WHICH THIS SUP HAS.

THOSE CONDITIONS INCLUDED.

USE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS TO SCREEN LOADING AND SERVICE AREAS FROM VIEW AND LIMIT IMPACTS ON ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT WHICH THIS SUP CONTAINS.

>> ARE MOST OF THE SUPS IN THIS AREA FIVE YEARS?

>> NO. THEY ARE LONG-TERM SUPS.

THERE ARE TWO BATCH PLANTS.

THEY ARE SOUTH OF THIS LOCATION.

ONE OF THEM EXPIRES IN 2037.

ANOTHER ONE IS PERMANENT.

>> DID YOU SAY PERMANENT?

>> YOU'VE GOT ONE IN 2037, ONE THAT'S PERMANENT, AND I GUESS THIS ONE IS FOR FIVE YEARS?

>> THIS IS REALLY A HARD LINE BECAUSE WE STARTED OFF DOWN A PATH, WE CHANGED TO ANOTHER PATH AND THEN WE ADDED THIS PARK.

IS THE PARK HAVE ANY BRICK AND MORTAR? IS IT ONLY FIELDS?

>> THERE WE GO. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS OUT THERE LIKE OFFICES THAT THE CURRENT OPERATOR USES, AND THEN YOU HAVE JUST SMALL PAVILIONS.

>> IT'S NOT A COMPLEX?

>> OH, NO. IT'S DEFINITELY A COMPLEX.

>> COMPLEX, NOT OF BUILDINGS?

>> YES. THAT'S CORRECT.

IF WE WANTED TO MOVE THIS, HOW MUCH WOULD IT BE?

>> I WOULD SAY BECAUSE IT COST US $30 MILLION TO BUILD IT WHEN WE COMPLETED IN 2012.

I ASSURE YOU, YOU'RE PROBABLY IN THE RANGE OF 50 MILLION TO BUILD THE SAME TYPE OF COMPLEX AGAIN.

>> WHY?

>> IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO BUILD ATHLETIC FIELDS.

VERY EXPENSIVE.

IN THIS CASE, WHEN WE BUILT THE COMPLEX THERE, WE HAD TO BUILD IT UP TO GET IT OUT OF THE FLOOD ZONE.

>> YOU HADN'T REMEDIATION.

>> YES. THAT'S CORRECT.

>> IT WASN'T A STRAIGHT FIELD THAT YOU HAD TO BUILD IT OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN?

>> NO. BUT JUST WHAT IT CALLS US NOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN 1920 FIELDS, IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU PUT IT, HOW MUCH GRADING, HOW MUCH SITE WORK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO, BUT THE REAL EXPENSE BESIDES ONCE YOU GET PAST THE SITE WORK IS BECAUSE ATHLETIC FIELDS, IF YOU WANT THEM TO BE DURABLE, REQUIRES A LOT OF SOIL AMENDMENTS, THE PROPER DRAINAGE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE DURABLE.

THE LIGHTING IS VERY EXPENSIVE FOR THE ATHLETIC FIELDS.

>> IF WE DENY THIS NOW, THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY THAT WE WON'T GET ANOTHER APPLICATION BECAUSE THIS DOES EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE PROBABLY WON'T.

BUT WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS AREA? BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A PERMANENT BATCH PLANT,

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WHICH MEANS IT'S NEVER GOING AWAY, ONE THAT ENDS IN 2037, AND I'VE ASKED YOU TO BRING ME ALL OF THESE BECAUSE ARE WE GOING TO DENY ALL OF THEM MOVING FORWARD AND START MOVING PEOPLE OUT TO GO WITH THE MONEYGRAM, OR IS MONEYGRAM GOING TO LEAVE? OR THEY JUST GOING TO LIVE TOGETHER? OR IT'S JUST GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS.

BUT THEN AGAIN, THEN WHY WOULD WE DENY IT IF WE JUST SAID THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE TOGETHER? THAT'S THE CONUNDRUM.

THE SMILE SAYS IT ALL.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GOT HERE.

I'M REALLY SORRY. THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE.

>> FOR US IS A STRICTLY LAND USE DECISION.

IT IS SURROUNDED BY INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH.

IT'S A COMBINATION OF INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH AND INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING.

FOR DALLAS RECOMMENDS IT AS AN INDUSTRIAL HUB.

THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL, I JUST LOOKED UP, I WOULD SAY IT'S MORE THAN A MILE.

>> SO IT'S INDUSTRIAL?

>> YES. IT IS AND IT WAS ALWAYS INDUSTRIAL.

>> EVEN IF WE CHANGED THE ZONING FOR HOUSING, IT'S STILL GOING TO HAVE INDUSTRIAL NEXT DOOR TO IT?

>> YES. THE ENTIRE AREA IS ZONED.

IT'S A COMBINATION OF IR AND IM.

>> THIS IS REALLY HORRIBLE, AND I WASN'T EVEN GOING TO GET INVOLVED.

IT WAS AN INTERESTING CASE.

I THINK THAT'S IT FOR ME. THANK YOU.

>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON ZONING ITEM Z7, MOTION TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. YOU DID ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD SPECIFIC TO THE USES THAT ALREADY EXIST THERE.

I GUESS PARKS COULD MAYBE ANSWER ON AIR QUALITY IMPACT? I'D ALSO LIKE TO JUST KNOW AND I KNOW THAT THIS PREDATES YOU AND THE DIRECTOR ROLE, BUT WHAT IS THE REASONING THAT OUR CITY THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO PUT THIS PARK SPACE IN THE MIDDLE OF AN INDUSTRY?

>> CANNOT SPEAK FOR THE FOLKS WHO MADE THE DECISION.

>> LET ME REPHRASE THE QUESTION.

HOW WOULD YOU DEFEND KEEPING THIS ASSET WHERE IT IS?

>> WELL, I CAN TELL YOU, I'M A PARK PROFESSIONAL.

AS YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW ANY GREEN SPACE THAT I DON'T LIKE, AS A PARK PROFESSIONAL.

LET'S BE CLEAR ON THAT.

I DON'T THINK I'M IN THE POSITION TO BE THE ONE WHO DECIDES TO DEFEND THE DECISION Y'ALL GOT TO MAKE TODAY.

>> THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M ASKING YOU.

>> BUT AS A PARK PROFESSIONAL, WE HAVE INVESTED $30 MILLION IN THIS COMPLEX.

IT IS A NICE COMPLEX.

I WOULD SAY AS A PARK PROFESSIONAL, YES, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE COMPLEX WE HAVE INVESTED IN IN THIS AREA.

>> THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION I'M ASKING.

RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE PRESSURE AND ADVOCACY FROM THE PUBLIC CITING TO DENY SOMETHING BASED ON THE COMPROMISE OF AIR QUALITY.

HOW ARE YOU DEFENDING KEEPING THIS ASSET THERE, KNOWING THAT THE AIR QUALITY IS ALREADY COMPROMISED AND IT'S SURROUNDED BY INDUSTRY? WHY ARE WE FIGHTING ONE INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS WHEN WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING THE ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION?

>> LET ME MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR.

I'M NOT THE ONE FIGHTING THE INDUSTRY, NUMBER 1.

LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR.

I'M NOT FIGHTING THE INDUSTRY.

IF YOU'RE ASKING ME THE QUESTION, JUST LIKE IF YOU ASKING ME ANY QUESTION, WOULD I, AS THE CURRENT PARK DIRECTOR, WOULD I HAVE BUILT ATHLETIC COMPLEX NEXT TO A BATCH PLANT? THE ANSWER IS NO.

THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY ANSWER I CAN GIVE YOU, FAR AS THE ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION.

>> I THINK THAT'S A FAIR ANSWER BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE.

I'M REALLY CONFLICTED WITH THIS, NOT BECAUSE I SUPPORT POLLUTANTS, BUT BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE CREATED A PROBLEM FOR OURSELVES.

IN ADDITION TO CREATING A PROBLEM FOR OURSELVES,

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I FEEL THAT IT'S RESULTING IN PRESSURE TO MAKE A DECISION THAT IS PUNITIVE TO A BLACK OWNED BUSINESS THAT IS NOT EQUITABLE TO HOW WE ARE ADDRESSING THE OTHER BUSINESSES, THE CONGLOMERATES THAT APPARENTLY ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE THERE FOR AS LONG AS THEY WANT TO BE THERE.

WITH THAT SAID, WE'VE DONE EXTENSIVE PLANNING AND A PASSAGE OF A PLAN, FORWARDDALLAS 2.0, THAT DESIGNATES AREAS.

COMING FROM PROBABLY THE FIRST OR SECOND, DEPENDING ON WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO IN THE CITY, MOST DISCUSSED AREA OF THE CITY THAT IS PLAGUED BY HEAVY INDUSTRIAL NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL IN JO P. I UNDERSTAND THE FIGHT.

BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND WHY THOUGHTFUL PLANNING IS IMPORTANT IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY FOR COMMUNITIES LIKE JO P IN WEST DALLAS.

THE END RESULT TO ME IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M EXCITED ABOUT SUPPORTING.

WE'RE NOT KILLING INDUSTRY AROUND GREEN SPACE. WE'RE NOT.

IN FACT, WE'RE NOT IMPROVING AIR QUALITY BY DENYING THIS.

WE HAVE A MUCH LARGER CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE AND I HATE THAT THIS IS BEING DONE IN A VACUUM, AND I HATE THAT IT'S BEING DONE TO THE DETRIMENT OF A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER WHILE THESE CONGLOMERATES AND CORPORATIONS ARE ABLE TO CONTINUE RAKING IN THE CASH.

IN FACT, THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE GETTING THE BUSINESS THAT THIS SMALL BLACK OWNED BUSINESS WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET.

THIS IS A ZONING CHANGE AND SUBSEQUENT SUP AS WELL PER THE ORDINANCE THAT WE PASSED THAT REQUIRES THE SUP, IS THAT ACCURATE?

>> WHAT WERE TO BE THE CASE IF THIS WERE TO HAVE A TWO YEAR APPROVAL VERSUS A FIVE YEAR APPROVAL?

>> THEY WILL NEED TO COME IN FRONT OF US FOR RENEWAL OF THE SUP IN TWO YEARS.

>> THE CONCERN FROM THE COMMUNITY WAS ALSO ABOUT THE ZONING CHANGE, WHAT ARE WE DOING BY DENYING THIS AS FAR AS THE AIR QUALITY THAT EXISTS IN THE AREA?

>> IT'S STILL GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE AN INDUSTRIAL ZONING IR.

THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IR AND IM IS THAT IN IM, THERE IS A GROUP OF USES THAT'S CALLED POTENTIALLY INCOMPATIBLE, BUT THEY ARE ALLOWED BY SUP.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE ADDING A LOT MORE INDUSTRIAL USES WITH THE CHANGE.

IT'S JUST THAT WE'RE OPENING THE DOOR FOR SUPS TO COME FOR OTHER TYPE OF USES THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWABLE IN IR.

>> THE RARITY OF THIS VERSUS MOST ZONING CHANGES IS THAT THIS IS NOT PROVIDING A BY-RIGHT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE SPECIFIC USE THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING WHICH IS A BATCH PLANT.

IT STILL REQUIRES AN SUP APPLICATION?

>> NO. I WILL REMIND ALL OF US THAT THE CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS BEFORE 2022, THEY WERE ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN IM.

IN 2022, WE DID A CODE AMENDMENT AND WE ONLY ALLOWED THEM BY SUP ONLY IN IM.

THEY USED TO BE ALLOWED BY SUP IN IR, AND THIS IS THE BIG CODE AMENDMENT THAT WE DID IN 2022 TO LIMIT SEVERELY THE AREAS WHERE BATCH PLANTS CAN ACTUALLY COME.

>> WHERE DOES THIS BATCH PLANT CURRENTLY EXIST THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO RELOCATE?

>> I WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.

WE DON'T CONSIDER THAT IN OUR RECOMMENDATION AT ALL, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE, I THINK ON RIVERFRONT RIGHT NOW, BUT I WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT TO CONFIRM.

>> I PREFER YOU TO BECAUSE THE APPLICANT WILL TAKE UP MY TIME.

>> WELL, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY HAVE AN OPERATION ON RIVERFRONT, BUT AS I SAID, WE DON'T LOOK INTO ANY OF THAT WHEN WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM BJ, PLEASE.

>> CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION, COUNCIL?

>> YES. YOU'RE LOCATED OFF RIVERFRONT.

CAN YOU TELL ME EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE [OVERLAPPING]

>> 1700 SOUTH RIVERFRONT, AND IT'S ONLY FOR TEMPORARY.

WHEN I ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED MY APPLICATION ON YOUR WEBSITE AT THE CITY OF DALLAS, IT SAID IR ALLOWED BATCH PLANTS.

THIS WAS AFTER 2022.

AGAIN, IT'S ANOTHER PROBLEM YOU GUYS CREATED BECAUSE IT SAID IT ON YOUR WEBSITE.

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THEN I ACTUALLY HAD A CONVERSATION WITH EVERYONE AT JEFFERSON ABOUT THAT, AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE IT.

>> WHAT IS THE BASIS FOR YOU RELOCATING?

>> BECAUSE IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL ZONE.

I CAN BE SOMEWHERE PERMANENT LIKE THE PERMANENT SUP.

>> SO THIS APPLICATION WAS ACTUALLY TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE?

>> CORRECT.

>> WHAT IS YOUR PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL IN YOUR CURRENT LOCATION?

>> WE'RE PROBABLY ABOUT A MILE AWAY FROM ANY RESIDENTS.

>> I THINK YOU'RE ABOUT A HALF A MILE THE CEDARS.

>> YES. PROBABLY BE ABOUT A HALF A MILE.

>> JUST UP CURRENT.

>> THE POINT WAS ONLY TEMPORARY, BUT IT WAS ZONED FOR TEMPORARY, AND THAT'S THE POINT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE THOUGH, BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE ALREADY HEARD THAT YOU'RE MUCH FURTHER AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL AND WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING TO BE.

>> ABSOLUTELY. WE DON'T EVEN OPERATE WHEN KIDS ARE PLAYING SOCCER.

THE KIDS ARE IN SCHOOL WHEN WE'RE WORKING.

>> THANK YOU. MAYOR, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ENOUGH TIME FOR SURE, CLOSE IT OUT.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I'M VERY CONFLICTED HERE, AND I THINK THAT THIS IS VERY UNFORTUNATE CIRCUMSTANCES.

THOUGH THE THING THAT I THINK IS MOST UNFORTUNATE IS THE DISINGENUOUS MESSAGING THAT'S GOING TO COME FROM WHATEVER ACTION WE TAKE AS A COUNCIL, AND I'LL WAIT FOR A ROUND 2. THANK YOU.

>> YOU DEFINITELY HAVE ANOTHER ROUND.

YOU DID GET YOUR WORD IN THERE, SO I NOTICED THAT.

MS. SCHULTZ, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON Z7'S MOTION TO DENY.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'M GOING TO START WITH DR. ANDREA.

DR. ANDREA, ARE THERE APPLICATIONS COMING IN TO THIS AREA SINCE THIS IS ONE OF THE VERY LIMITED AREAS THAT THERE CAN BE INDUSTRIAL USES IN FORWARDDALLAS? ARE THERE APPLICATIONS COMING IN FOR BATCH PLANT SUPS IN THIS AREA?

>> WE DO HAVE AT LEAST TWO THAT I KNOW OF THAT ARE UNDER REVIEW WITH STAFF.

>> TODAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REALLY MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THIS BECAUSE OTHERWISE, WE'LL GO THROUGH THIS TWO MORE TIMES.

MY SECOND QUESTION IS, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR THE APPLICANT TO EXTEND THE SUP WHERE HE IS TEMPORARILY WHILE WE WORK AT MOVING THE PARK?

>> HE DOESN'T HAVE AN SUP ON HIS TEMPORARY LOCATION.

HE NEEDS TO GET OUT OF THERE.

>> SO IT'S NOT POSSIBLE?

>> IT IS NOT.

>> THANK YOU. NOW I'D LIKE TO HAVE PARKS COME UP, PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR JACOBS.

I KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT THE IDEAL SCENARIO FOR YOU OR ANYONE.

BUT COULD YOU GIVE US YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION ABOUT THIS SITUATION IN TERMS OF CONTINUING TO OPERATE A VERY ACTIVE ATHLETIC FIELD AREA IN THIS INDUSTRIAL ZONE?

>> YEAH. BECAUSE I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRE AREA, NOT JUST MONEYGRAM, BECAUSE I HAVE THE GOLF COURSE OUT THERE.

AS I MENTIONED, I HAVE THE TENNIS COURTS, AND I ALSO HAVE THE GUN RANGE.

I KNOW WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT MONEYGRAM.

BUT FROM OUR GOLF COURSE, OUR TENNIS COURT, AND THE GUN RANGE WAS THERE FIRST.

MONEYGRAM CAME AFTER THE BATCH PLANTS.

FROM MY PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE, NO, I DO NOT LIKE WHEN I SEE PICTURES OF DUST ALL OVER MY TENNIS COURTS AT LB HOUSTON WITH LUNA THERE.

IT'S NOT MY DECISION TO MAKE IF THEY SHOULD STAY OR GO.

HOWEVER, WHATEVER DECISION YOU MAKE, THEY NEED TO MANAGE THEIR PROCESS REGARDLESS, THE ONES WHO ARE THERE OR THE ONES WHO MAY COME.

BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUS THAT IS NOT HAPPENING.

WELL, EVEN IF THEY WERE, ARE YOU GIVEN A CONUNDRUM WHERE WE ARE?

>> IT'S HARD FOR ME NOT TO BE BIASED BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THEM MANAGING THAT PROCESS NOW, SO I AM BIASED FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHAT I'M SEEING HAPPENING NOW.

BUT I CAN'T SPEAK FOR WHATEVER POLICY I THOUGHT I HEARD ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBER MENTIONED.

I CAN'T SPEAK WHAT MAY HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, BUT I CAN ONLY SPEAK WHAT I SEE NOW.

I SEE THE FLOODING.

I SEE THE DUST PARTICLES ENDING UP ON MY TENNIS COURTS THAT YOU CAN'T DENY.

I CAN'T DENY THAT.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT, LOOK,

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WE CAN'T DENY UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO TOTALLY CHANGE ALL OF OUR ZONING ACROSS THE CITY TO ELIMINATE INDUSTRIAL ZONING, WE CAN'T UNLESS WE'RE PREPARED TO DO THAT.

I'D LIKE YOUR OPINION ABOUT WHERE WE ARE.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT MANAGEMENT, AND THAT'S A TCEQ ISSUE, AND IT MAY BE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU COULD WORK WITH CODE ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT I'M ASKING FOR YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION.

>> CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC?

>> IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT'S A CHOICE OF YOU ALL MOVING OR YOU ALL LIVING TOGETHER.

>> WELL, OF COURSE.

>> BECAUSE THE REASON I SAY IT THAT WAY IS BECAUSE EVEN IF WE DENY THIS, THERE'S X NUMBER OF PLANTS ALREADY OPERATING WITH TWO MORE COMING DOWN THE PIKE, SO YOU CANNOT STOP THE BATCH PLANTS IN THIS AREA.

IF NOTHING ELSE, THERE'S ONE AT LEAST IT HAS A PERMANENT SUP.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET RID OF THE BATCH PLANTS OVER THERE.

MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATION?

>> YEAH. WELL, NOT A RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT YOU ALL DO TODAY, BUT MY RECOMMENDATION AS IT RELATES TO BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF MOVING.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALISTIC BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OVER 500 ACRES, AND I'M LOOKING FOR LAND NOW FOR ATHLETIC FIELDS, AND I CANNOT SEE WHERE I'M GOING TO FOUND THAT AMOUNT OF LAND TO HOST THAT MANY ATHLETIC FIELDS ALL IN ONE AREA BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO ATTRACT THESE BIG TOURNAMENTS.

THAT PROBABILITY IS PROBABLY ZERO. FAR AS MOVING.

IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES OR WHOEVER DECIDES THAT WE ALL HAVE TO ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN, THEN OF COURSE, WE NEED TO BE AT THE TABLE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING THE SAME RESULTS I'VE BEEN SEEING FOR THE LAST 15 OR 20 YEARS, AND WHERE I'M SEEING ALL THE ADDITIONAL FLOODING, I'M SEEING THE STREETS BEING TORN UP, I'M SEEING THE DUST PARTICLES EVERYWHERE.

I WON'T DRIVE MY PERSONAL CAR DOWN THOSE ROWS.

THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED.

OEQ CAN BE THE ONE TO TALK ABOUT FAR AS THE ENVIRONMENTAL LEVELS AS IT RELATES TO THE DUST PARTICLES BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR TESTING DEVICE OUT THERE.

BUT IF YOU ASK ME MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION.

IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNSEL SAYS YOU HAVE TO DO, THEN WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO GET THEM IN COMPLIANCE.

>> I'M GOING TO CALL UP ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY.

DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN ANY TESTING REGARDING THE HEALTH PEOPLE USING THOSE FIELDS? HAS THERE BEEN ANYTHING THAT CAN SPEAK TO THAT? MR. WHITE, COULD YOU BEGIN TO SPEAK TO US NOW ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES?

>> THAT'S RIGHT HERE.

>> HELLO. I'M PAUL WHITE.

I'M THE INTERIM DIRECTOR FOR THE OFFICE OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND SUSTAINABILITY.

I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY HEALTH STUDIES IN THE AREA, AND MAYBE I'M WRONG.

MAYBE I HEARD YOUR QUESTION WRONG.

JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HEARD IT CORRECTLY?

>> NO. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY OF THESE TWO USES LIVING TOGETHER.

>> IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF A PUBLIC HEALTH.

SURE, THE INDUSTRIAL USES DO EMIT PARTICULAR MATTER, AND THERE'S A SOCCER FIELD NEARBY.

OUR CCAP GOAL IS THAT ALL COMMUNITIES BREATHE CLEAN AIR, AND PUBLIC HEALTH IS A MAJOR PRIORITY FOR US.

>> THE ISSUE IS THIS ISN'T A COMMUNITY.

THIS IS RECREATIONAL USE THAT PEOPLE COME TO SPEND A FEW HOURS AND THEN GO AWAY, AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT IS SAYING THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE THEY CAN GO.

MEANWHILE, OUR ZONING IS TELLING US THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE THERE, AND THERE'S SOME THAT ARE GOING TO BE THERE FOREVER.

HOW DO WE MAKE THIS DECISION? THIS IS WHERE WE REALLY NEED LEADERSHIP FROM STAFF TO GUIDE US THROUGH THIS.

IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THE QUESTION.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL THE RIGHT DATA FOR THIS.

IT'S NOT ABOUT THIS USER.

IT'S NOT ABOUT ALL OF THEM, IT'S ABOUT THE RECREATIONAL USE.

IF THAT RECREATIONAL USE WAS NOT THERE, WE WOULD NOT BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION AT ALL, EXCEPT THEN THE ISSUES, BUT PERHAPS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR USER.

>> RIGHT. YEAH, THIS IS A DIFFICULT ISSUE.

WE DO HAVE A SENSOR AT MONEYGRAM PARK.

THE SENSOR DOES NOT SHOW THAT THERE'S POOR AIR QUALITY AT MONEYGRAM PARK, BUT THEN WE JUST HEARD THE PARK DIRECTOR TALK ABOUT DUST.

IN THE SENSORS, THERE'S ONLY ONE SENSOR THERE, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO CATCH NECESSARILY EVERYTHING.

IF HE'S VISUALLY SEEING THESE THINGS, THEN THAT TELLS YOU THAT THERE COULD BE POSSIBLE DUST IN THE AREA,

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AND YOU ALSO HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

>> MY OTHER QUESTION BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S TWO MORE BATCH PLANTS COMING DOWN THE PIKE.

IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY NO TO EVERY OTHER SINGLE USER AND THEN CONTINUE JUST TO ALLOW IT WHERE IT IS WITH THE ONE OPERATING PERMANENTLY, MY OTHER QUESTION IS, ARE THERE OTHER MITIGATION OPPORTUNITIES ENVIRONMENTALLY, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH HEAVY, HEAVY TREE PLANTING, OTHER THINGS THAT COULD HELP ABSORB SOME OF THE IMPACT.

>> YEAH, TREE PLANTING IS MAJOR.

BECAUSE TREE PLANTING TREES ABSORB PARTICULATE MATTER, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONSIDER.

ALSO, I WOULD SPEAK TO THE I GUESS THE STANDARD USE PERMIT, THE ZONING, AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THEY WANT TO ADD AS FAR AS LIKE SCREENING, THINGS LIKE THAT ON THE FACILITIES, LIKE ADDITIONAL SCREENING OR THINGS TO FILTER OUT PARTICULAR MATTER.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION FOR OUR CITY MANAGER.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A QUESTION FOR I DON'T KNOW WHAT POINT, BUT I WONDER WHETHER IT'S WORTH IT TO HAVE FOR THE FIRST TIME.

IT SOUNDS LIKE PARKS, ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, LAND USE TEAMS HAVE NOT SAT DOWN TOGETHER TO SAY, WE HAVE A REAL PROBLEM HERE, AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO SOLVE IT? THAT MAY BE A BETTER SOLUTION IS TO COME BACK TO US WITH A PLAN TO SAY, WE'VE ALL THESE OPERATING.

WE'VE GOT TWO MORE COMING IN.

WE'VE GOT A LEGITIMATE APPLICANT RIGHT NOW.

WE'VE GOT 500 ACRES THAT WE COULD DO OTHER THINGS WITH.

I'M SURE IT'S NOT ALL COVERED IN TENNIS COURTS AND SOCCER FIELDS.

WHAT ARE THE THINGS WE CAN DO TO MAKE THIS LIVE TOGETHER SINCE IT SEEMS LIKE IT HAS TO BECAUSE NEITHER IS LEAVING.

WE'VE GOT TWO BAD NEIGHBORS IN TERMS LIVING TOGETHER.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE NEED SOME HELP FROM OUR SENIOR MANAGEMENT TO HELP BRING THIS GROUP TOGETHER TO GIVE US SOME SOLUTIONS THAT ARE MORE THAN JUST WIN-LOSE.

THERE'S GOT TO BE A WAY TO AT LEAST GET TO A HALF-WIN EACH AND HALF-LOSE EACH.

WITH THAT, I DON'T KNOW, MADAM CITY MANAGER OR SENIOR STAFF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE WILLING TO DO.

BUT BEFORE I RUN OUT OF TIME, I'D LOVE TO GET AN ANSWER ON THAT. SOMEONE.

>> PLEASE FORGIVE ME.

I DIDN'T HEAR THE QUESTION. I APOLOGIZE.

>> I'M GOING TO RUN OUT OF TIME IF I REPEAT IT, BUT THANK YOU.

>> GO AHEAD.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. IS THERE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE OUR CITY BRING TOGETHER YOUR TEAM, OEQS, PARKS, AND HELP FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN MANAGE THIS CHALLENGE SO THAT IT'S NOT A LOSE-LOSE OR A WIN-LOSE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GOING.

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING, IS IF IT'S WORTH IT TO DELAY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT THAT COULD HAPPEN.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> I WOULD SAY THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO LOOK AT AN AREA PLAN OR SOME LANGUAGE THAT WILL FIND WAYS FOR THESE USES TO COEXIST.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE ZONING, TO DELAY THIS ITEM FOR THAT.

>> NO, I'M NOT SAYING DELAY.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS WORK THROUGH WHETHER IT'S DELAY, MAYBE FOR TWO WEEKS OR THE MONTH, BUT TO AT LEAST SAY WE NEED 50 TREES, WE NEED BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.

>> I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I WOULD SAY THAT THE SUP HAS PRETTY GOOD CONDITIONS.

OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD MORE.

THERE IS A GROVE OF TREES TO THE NORTH, A GROVE OF TREES TO THE SOUTH.

WE ADDED LANDSCAPE BUFFERS, WE ADDED SCREENING REQUIREMENTS, STOCKPILE HEIGHT.

THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE PUT IN THIS SUP GO WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND FROM WHAT WE HAVE FOR OTHER BASH PLANS.

WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ADD MORE IF THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL OR THE COMMUNITY WISHES.

>> CHAIRMAN MARINO.

>> THANK YOU. MAYOR.

>> FIVE MINUTES.

>> I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO CAME DOWN AND GAVE PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PARK ADVOCATES AROUND THIS HORSESHOE, INCLUDING MYSELF.

I SERVED ON THE PARK BOARD FOR NEARLY EIGHT YEARS PRIOR TO MONEYGRAM COMING IN, AND I ALWAYS WONDERED WHY WE CHOSE TO PUT MONEYGRAM WHERE WE DID.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS, WE NEED CLEAN AIR.

I HAVE A KID MYSELF, BUT WE ALSO NEED BATCH PLANTS.

WE NEED OUR CITY TO GROW IN OUR STREETS OF TRANSPORTATION BUDGET BOND ALONE, IT'S OVER 520 MILLION DOLLARS FOR JUST CITY USES.

WE HAVE A NEW CONVENTION CENTER.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DENSITY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WANTING TO GROW OUR CITY.

WE HAVE TO HAVE BATCH PLANTS.

THE QUESTION IS, WHERE DID THEY GO?

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WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR POLICIES AND YOU LOOK AT FORD DALLAS.

THIS IS ONE OF THE THREE AREAS WHERE BATCH PLANS ARE PERMITTED TO BE ON.

I'M LEANING AWAY FROM THE REPRESENTATIVES' MOTION TO DENY THIS AND LEANING TOWARDS SUPPORTING THE APPLICANT AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA IN QUESTION, AND DO LOVE THE IDEA, THOUGH, TO MY COLLEAGUE COMING TOGETHER ON HOW CAN WE BETTER MITIGATE? WHAT CAN WE DO IN ORDER TO MAKE THESE BATCHED PLANTS LESS INVASIVE, LESS DANGEROUS TO OUR COMMUNITIES? LOOK FORWARD TO THOSE OPPORTUNITIES WITH OUR CITY MANAGER.

BOTTOM LINE IS, THIS IS AN AREA THAT IS APPROPRIATE IN MY EYES, AND LOOK FORWARD TO MORE CONVERSATION AROUND THIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>> CHAIRMAN GRACIE, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON Z7.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR THIS.

I'M NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTING THIS PARTICULAR MOTION FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.

ONE, I WAS JUST THERE.

MY SON PLAYED SOCCER, AND I WAS JUST THERE, AND ANYBODY WHO WILL HEAR ME COMPLAIN ABOUT BEING IN A SOCCER CLUB, I HATE DRIVING TO THE SUBURBS TO CHEER MY SON ON.

FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO SPEND TIME WATCHING MY SON'S SOCCER TOURNAMENT IN DALLAS IS GREAT.

I WAS AGAIN JUST THERE THIS SATURDAY.

ALL OF THOSE AIR QUALITY ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THEY WEREN'T THERE.

I DIDN'T SEE ANY DUST, I HEARD GUNS. I HEARD WORK.

I HEARD THE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES MOVING AROUND.

I THINK THERE IS A COUPLE OF THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS AND THINGS BACK THERE.

I SAW ALL OF THAT, I HEARD THE GUN RANGE. I HEARD ALL OF THAT.

BUT AGAIN, WHAT WE WERE ALL EXPERIENCING WAS WATCHING OUR KIDS PLAY SOCCER OUT THERE FROM THERE.

I'M SAYING ALL THAT TO SAY, ONE, I DID SEE ALL OF THOSE BATCH PLANTS THAT ARE OUT THERE, AND THERE'S ONE THAT'S IN VIEW OF THE SOCCER FIELD, YOU CAN HEAR IT.

YOU CAN SEE ALL THESE THINGS, BUT FOR ME, THE PROBLEM I'M HAVING WITH THIS, AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS ANYMORE, BUT THIS IS THE INCONSISTENCIES, NOT TWO, A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO.

WE WERE JUST HERE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER BLACK MAN WHO HAPPENED TO OWN A CLUB, AND WE WERE HAVING VERY SPECIFIC CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE AND NOT TALKING ABOUT THE CRIME THAT'S ALL AROUND THERE.

THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE NOW WE HAVE THIS YOUNG MAN WHO'S WANTED TO CREATE A BATCH PLANT AROUND OTHER BATCH PLANTS, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT BECOMES A TOUGH DECISION.

I UNDERSTAND THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS. I REALLY DO.

BUT IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE NINE BATCH PLANTS THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING OUT THERE, AND WE'RE TRYING TO MOLE OVER THIS CONVERSATION AS IF THERE'S AN ISSUE.

TO MY COLLEAGUE'S POINT, WE DO NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF MAKING SURE THAT THOSE BATCH PLANTS ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ENVIRONMENT OVER THERE, AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT THIS SOCCER FIELD IS THERE, BUT THAT WAS NOT THE INTENT FOR THIS AREA TO BE A PARK.

IT WAS INTENT TO BE INDUSTRIAL, IF THIS YOUNG MAN WANTS TO CREATE A SPACE OVER THERE IN AN ALREADY INDUSTRIALIZED AREA.

I THINK WE SHOULD BE SUPPORTING THAT AND FIGURING OUT OTHER OPTIONS FOR THE SOCCER FIELD, WHICH BRINGS ME TO MY LAST POINT, D3 IS THE OUTDOOR DESTINATION OF THE CITY, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL PLACES WITHIN THE DISTRICT WHERE WE CAN.

[OVERLAPPING] WHAT DID YOU SAY?

>> IT'S ABOUT JERMAINE.

>> I DON'T KNOW JERMAINE. ANYWAY, I'M JOKING.

BACK TO MY POINT.

THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE HE'S TRYING TO CREATE A BATCH PLANT AMONG OTHER BATCH PLANTS.

THIS IS NOT WHERE HE'S GOING TO DISRUPT AN ALREADY RESIDENTIAL AREA OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

FOR THAT REASON, I HAVE TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS DOWN THE ROAD FOR THE PARKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AGAIN, I HAVE SOME, BUT I AIN'T GOING TO BRING UP JERMAINE.

THANK YOU. [OVERLAPPING] I KNOW I'M MESSING WITH YOU. THANKS.

>> REALLY, WERE YOU FINISHED? YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES LEFT IF YOU WANT.

OKAY. MAYOR PORTE, ARE YOU READY?

>> YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES ON Z7, MOTION TO DENY.

>> YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. COULD I HAVE SOMEONE FOR STAFF TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE?

>> WHICH STAFF?

>> THE ONE IN CHARGE.

>> OF WHAT?

>> OF THE ZONING.

>> OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHO WE GOT PARKS AND WE GOT ZONING. WHO DO YOU WANT?

>> I WANT ZONING. I WANT SOMEBODY WHO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT FORWARD DALLAS, ALSO.

>> OKAY. YOU ALL HEARD ALL THAT.

>> YOU HAVE US BOTH HERE.

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>> OKAY. YOU PROBABLY NEED SOME HELP.

I DON'T THINK HE WAS HERE IN 2007 WHEN FORWARD DOLLAR FIRST STARTED OFF? FIRST, HOW LONG HAVE WE BEEN WORKING ON FORWARD DOLLAR TO GET APPROVED?

>> THE MOST RECENT VERSION WAS THREE YEARS, BUT IT WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED IN 2006, SO CLOSE TO 19 YEARS.

>> NINETEEN YEARS. IT'S STILL THE VERSION THAT IF WE LOOK AT FORWARDDALLAS TODAY, WHAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION IN THE PROPOSAL FOR THESE TYPE OF IR VERSUS IM FOR THIS TYPE OF DEAL? WHAT WAS IN THAT CONTENT?

>> IN THE CURRENT FOR DALLAS OR THE PREVIOUS ONE?

>> THE PREVIOUS ONE.

>> FOR THE PREVIOUS FOR DALLAS, WE FURTHER HAD THE TRINITY RIVER CORRIDOR COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, AND THAT WAS THE ONE THAT LOOKED AT THE ENTIRE TRINITY RIVER CORRIDOR A LITTLE BIT MORE CLOSER.

THAT LAND USE PLAN SAYS THAT ADDRESS THE CONCERN FOR GROWTH FOR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY AND STATING THAT THIS USE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO REMAIN AND EXPAND IN THE AREAS IDENTIFIED IN THE PLAN.

THIS PLAN, AGAIN, THE TRINITY RIVER CORRIDOR PLAN IS SPEAKING OR ALLOWS INDUSTRIAL USES IN THIS AREA.

>> THE FORWARDDALLAS PLAN IN THE TRINITY RIVER PLAN, IT SAID THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS CAN BE ALLOWED IN THIS LOCATION, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT IS OUR FORWARDDALLAS PLAN THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR HOW MANY YEARS? TWENTY YEARS?

>> CLOSE TO 20.

>> TWENTY YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE PLAN, AND NOW WE ARE SAYING THIS IS ALL RIGHT ACCORDING TO OUR PLAN WITH FORWARDDALLAS.

>> I WILL SAY THAT THIS UPDATED FORWARDDALLAS SCALED BACK THE AREAS FOR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES, BUT THE LOCATION OF THIS REQUEST IS WITHIN THAT AREA THAT WAS STILL RECOMMENDED FOR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES.

>> RIGHT NOW, WHAT IS OUR PLAN WITH FORWARDDALLAS? WHAT DO THESE TYPE OF BIDS GO?

>> THE CURRENT FORWARDDALLAS ONLY IDENTIFIES THREE AREAS IN THE CITY.

THIS IS ONE OF THEM.

ANOTHER ONE IS MCCOMMAS BLUFF LANDFILL IN YOUR DISTRICT, AND THERE IS ANOTHER SMALL AREA NORTHEAST OF 635 ALONG PLANO ROAD, WHICH I THINK IS IN DISTRICT 10.

THOSE ARE THE ONLY THREE VERY SMALL AREAS IN THE CITY WHERE INDUSTRIAL HUB PLACE TYPE IS INCLUDED IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

>> ONE IS MY DISTRICT, WHICH IS A LANDFILL?

>> RICE PROPERTY. ONE IS RIGHT HERE THAT FORWARDDALLAS RECOMMEND AND ALSO ONE IN.

>> DISTRICT 10.

>> DISTRICT 10. THOSE ARE ONLY THREE THEY CAN GO. WHERE ELSE WOULD THEY GO?

>> IF WE'RE TALKING FORWARDDALLAS, SO THERE'S STILL PARTS OF THE CITY THAT ARE ZONED WHERE YOU COULD DO THESE USES BY SUP, BUT FORWARDDALLAS WAS TRYING TO WRANGLE THEM IN AND WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHERE WE WRANGLE THOSE USES IN, THOSE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES BECAUSE THEY WERE ALLOWED ALL OVER THE CITY.

WE WRANGLED INTO THOSE THREE AREAS THAT ANDREA DESCRIBED.

>> TODAY, WE WRANGLED THOSE INTO THIS PARTICULAR AREA, RIGHT, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES. THERE WAS A BASIS OF OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

>> THERE WAS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION BASED ON FORWARDDALLAS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR 20 YEARS.

DID WE MAKE A MISTAKE WITH FORWARDDALLAS FOR 20 YEARS?

>> WE DO NOT BELIEVE WE MADE A MISTAKE.

>> YOU DON'T THINK WE MADE A MISTAKE.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAD THIS LONG DISCUSSION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DONE.

WE SAID IT FOR 20 YEARS, AND WE DID FORWARDDALLAS.

MATTER OF FACT, I WAS HERE 20 YEARS AGO IN 2007. I WAS HERE.

COLLEAGUES, FORWARDDALLAS, 19 YEARS, 20 YEARS WE'RE DOING HERE.

I THINK THAT WE TALKING ABOUT PROCESS AND POLICY.

YOU AS ADMINISTRATION AND YOU LOOK AT THIS, AND I REMEMBER BACK WITH THERESA O'DONNELL, PIA CHARCOT AND ALL OF THOSE PEOPLES IN CITY PLANNING AND SAID, WE NEED TO DO THESE CHANGES HERE.

RIGHT NOW, I'M JUST CONFUSED THAT WE SPEND ALL OF THIS TIME, ALL THIS MONEY TO SAY FORWARDDALLAS IS A BLUEPRINT.

NOW WE FOUND OUT TODAY IT'S NOT A BLUEPRINT.

WE DID SOMETHING WRONG. I KNOW Y'ALL WAS NOT HERE THOSE YEARS BACK IN 2007, AND WE I THINK SOMETIME 2022, WE DID SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

WHAT WE DID DIFFERENT 2022?

>> YES. I JUST SPOKE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

IN MAY OF 2022, WE DID A CODE AMENDMENT FOR THE ZONING CODE TO

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FURTHER LIMIT WHERE CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS ARE ALLOWABLE IN THE CITY.

IN SHORT BEFORE 2022, CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS WERE ALLOWED BY IR AND IM AND BY SUP IN IR, WHICH IS INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH.

OUR CODE AMENDMENT IN MAY OF 2022 CHANGED THAT SITUATION AND NOW CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS ARE CONSIDERED POTENTIALLY INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES, AND THEY ARE ALLOWED ONLY BY SUP ONLY IN IM.

THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED IN IR ANYMORE.

>> IS IT FURTHER SAID THAT WE NEED BATCH PLANTS SOMEWHERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS IN ORDER TO DEVELOP THE CITY?

>> I WOULD SAY THAT'S A POLICY DECISION, AN APPROACH THAT'S UP FOR COUNCIL TO DECIDE.

FOR THIS ZONING CASE, WE JUST MADE A LAND USE BASED DECISION OR RECOMMENDATION.

>> THIS IS A LAND USE DECISION, RIGHT?

>> FORWARDDALLAS SAID IN THIS LAND USE DECISION, THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE TO GO, BASED ON FORWARDDALLAS, IT'S A LAND USE DECISION, RIGHT?

>> YES. BASED ON THE IMPACT THAT IT HAS ON THE SURROUNDINGS, WHICH IS, AGAIN, ALL THE SURROUNDING AREAS ARE ZONED INDUSTRIAL.

>> WHAT DID THE STAFF RECOMMEND AND WHY DID THEY RECOMMEND THEIR RECOMMENDATION?

>> OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS APPROVAL FOR THE GENERAL ZONING CHANGE TO MOVE FROM IR TO IM AND RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE CONCRETE BATCH PLANT FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO THE SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

WE CAREFULLY CRAFTED ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS FOR ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE BUFFERS.

AS I SAID, SCREENING, DOS CONTROL, STOCKPILE HEIGHT.

WE ADDED AS MANY CONDITIONS TO ENSURE THAT THE OPERATION HAS SOME GUARD RAILS.

THAT WAS OUR RECOMMENDATION.

WE DIDN'T RECOMMEND ANY AUTOMATIC RENEWALS AND WE ONLY RECOMMENDED FIVE YEARS.

>> I LIKE THE WORDS YOU SAID GUARD RAILS.

YOU DID RECOMMEND GUARD RAILS THAT YOU DID DO THIS.

I NEED TO DO THAT ON OUR PENSION GUARD RAILS.

GOOD WORDS. NUMBER 1, I'M LOOKING AT STAFF AND RECOMMENDATION.

WE HAD SO MANY AGENDA ITEMS COME HERE SPLIT, CPC AND STAFF.

MOST OF CPC VOLUNTEER THAT COME HERE, STAFF IS EDUCATED FOR TO BE THE SMART PERSON IN THE WORLD TO MAKE THE BEST RECOMMENDATION.

THAT'S WHAT THEY SAY, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.

RIGHT NOW, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF, AND THIS IS WHAT STAFF RECOMMEND, BUT BASED ON A BOOK, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL A 20 YEARS RECOMMENDATION IN FORWARDDALLAS.

DO I THROW THIS BOOK AWAY AND SAID, FOR 20 YEAR, WE WASTE OUR TIME?

>> I THINK THAT IS THE QUESTION IN FRONT OF COUNCIL TODAY.

>> THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL RIGHT NOW, SO CITY MANAGER, I HOPE WE'RE GOING TO WASTE 20 YEARS TO THROW EVERYTHING WE WORK FOR RECOMMENDATION.

I THINK WE GOT SMART PEOPLE AND CITY PLANNING TO MAKE THE SMART DECISION, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, SINCE YOU DID MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, BUT I KNOW SOME COLLEAGUES, I HOPE THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A REQUEST TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW, I DON'T HEAR BOTH SIDES, BUT POINT IS THAT FORWARDDALLAS SHOULD BE THE GUIDE, WHAT WE NEED TO DO, BECAUSE FORWARDDALLAS FOR 20 YEARS, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT.

THAT SHOULD BE THE GUIDE. THANK YOU, MISS AMY.

>> MISS WILLIS, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON Z7.

>> THANK YOU. I TOO WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO'S COME DOWN TO SPEAK TO US TODAY AND TO THOSE WHO HAVE SENT EMAILS.

I ESPECIALLY APPRECIATE THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME CREATIVITY AND PASSION IN THOSE EMAILS.

IT WASN'T A BOILER PLATE THAT WENT OUT TO ALL OF US, AND I THINK I READ EVERY ONE OF THEM.

THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO TOOK THE TIME TO DO THAT, BUT IN LISTENING TODAY, I'VE HEARD A FEW THINGS THAT REALLY MAGNIFY JUST THE REALITY OF THIS TOUGH SITUATION.

MR. MESTAS, YOU SAID SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF YOU LOOK AT OUR CITY AND YOU SEE CRANES AND YOU SEE BATCH PLANTS, AND THEY GO HAND IN HAND.

WE CAN'T HAVE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER.

IT WAS DISCUSSED, I THINK, CHAIR NARVAEZ MENTIONED ABOUT SPREADING THESE OUT AND THAT THAT'S REALLY COUNTER TO THE BREATHING CLEAN AIR.

THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSION AROUND THE DANGERS OF PARTICULATE, WHICH DIRECTS ME BACK TO THE QUESTION WE'VE ALL BEEN ASKING, WHICH IS, WHY DID WE BUILD SOCCER FIELDS IN THE MIDDLE OF BATCH PLANTS? I UNDERSTAND THE GOLF COURSE, THE TENNIS COURTS, ALL OF THAT, BUT THE BIG SPORTS COMPLEX THAT WE KNEW, CHILDREN AND OTHERS WOULD BE COMING TO, WHY IT WAS PLACED IN THE MIDDLE OF THESE CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS IS A BIG QUESTION,

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BUT IN HEARING PARK DIRECTOR JENKINS AND KNOWING THAT IT'S OUR TAX DOLLARS CLEANING UP WHAT IS LEFT ON THESE TENNIS COURTS AND WHAT'S THE RESIDUE THAT'S LEFT.

IT JUST POINTS ME, MR. WHITE TO ENFORCEMENT INSPECTION, AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO THE NTH DEGREE TO BE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS IN COMPLIANCE AND THAT IT IS TO THE BENEFIT TO USE THOSE REGULATIONS FOR THE RESIDENTS OF WEST DALLAS, WHO WE KNOW HAVE SUFFERED BECAUSE OF HISTORICAL INJUSTICE, AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE STEPPING THAT UP.

WITH MR. JOHNSON AND WITH THIS APPLICATION, I WOULD WANT TO WATCH AIR QUALITY, VIOLATIONS, ETC., BUT THAT'S NOT JUST ON YOU.

THAT'S ON EVERYONE WHO'S OPERATING OUT THERE.

NOBODY SHOULD GET A PASS ON THIS, BUT I STILL GO BACK TO THE FACT THAT WE NEED THE HAND IN HAND, THE BATCH PLANTS AND THE CRANES.

THANK YOU FOR OUR PLAN COMMISSION AND STAFF FOR GOING THROUGH THIS TOUGH SITUATION.

YOU HEAR THE WORDS CONCRETE BATCH PLANT.

THOSE ARE NOT PRETTY WORDS, AND THEN YOU HEAR PARKS AND KIDS AND ATHLETICS.

THOSE ARE PRETTY WORDS, AND HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THEM ALL MATCHED TOGETHER, BUT IN THE REPORT, WE CITE THE TRINITY RIVER CORRIDOR COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.

WE TALKED ABOUT FORWARDDALLAS, WE TALKED ABOUT CCAP, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IN THIS, AND THAT IS OUR OWN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THE MISSION AROUND THAT IS FOCUSED ON SOUTHERN DALLAS.

IT TALKS ABOUT PRIORITIZING HISTORICALLY DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES FOR WHOM STRUCTURAL DISPARITIES HAVE HINDERED OPPORTUNITY.

IN THIS CASE, IT MAY BE INFRASTRUCTURAL OPPORTUNITIES.

ALSO ATTRACTING AND STRENGTHENING BUSINESSES WHILE BUILDING AND PRESERVING COMMUNITIES.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PIECE OF THIS EQUATION THAT WE CAN OVERLOOK.

IF WE WANT TO LIVE UP TO THAT, IF WE WANT TO DELIVER ON OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICY AND PUT THE FOCUS ON SOUTHERN DALLAS THAT HAS BEEN NEGLECTED AND THAT IS CRAVING AND BEGGING FOR GROWTH TO BECOME THE D3, THE GARDEN SPOT OF GREATER NORTH TEXAS, I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE A HARD DECISION HERE AROUND WHETHER WE APPROVE THIS APPLICATION.

I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT IT AS I LOOK AT THE WAY IT CAN HELP US DELIVER FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE AND THE GROWTH IN AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN OVERLOOKED. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRWOMAN STEWART, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON Z7.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. DIRECTOR WHITE, WOULD YOU MIND COMING UP TO THE PODIUM? I JUST WANT TO ASK A COUPLE OF CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.

I'VE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD I SHOULDN'T ASK QUESTIONS THAT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO. THIS IS A LITTLE RISKY.

JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS DOES NOT ENFORCE AIR QUALITY STANDARDS.

IS THAT CORRECT? OR AM I OFF BASE ON THAT? I KNOW WE HAVE OUR CCAP PRINCIPLES, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY, DO WE?

>> WELL, WE ARE CONTRACTORS WITH THE TCEQ FOR AIR QUALITY ENFORCEMENT.

>> WE MONITOR IT, THE AIR QUALITY? THEN DO WE TURN THAT IN TO TCEQ? YOU WORK WITH THEM IN TERMS OF WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

>> YES. WE INSPECT FACILITIES THAT HAVE AIR MONITORING PERMITS AND THOSE REPORTS GO TO THE TCEQ AND THEY ACTUALLY DO THE ENFORCEMENT PIECE.

>> THEY DO THE ENFORCEMENT. THE STATES DOING THE ENFORCEMENT PIECE, WE'RE MORE OF THE CAPTURING THE DATA?

>> CORRECT.

>> I WANTED A CLARIFICATION ON THAT.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> CHAIRWOMAN ARNOLD, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON Z7.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS.

THIS IS A VERY CHALLENGING CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING.

AT THIS TIME, I KNOW I CAN'T SUPPORT THE MOTION TO DENY.

I'M HOPING THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO, IF I COULD, ASK THE QUESTION, MAYOR, TO COUNCIL MEMBER NARVAEZ, WHO I NORMALLY DO SUPPORT.

COUNCIL MEMBER, WOULD YOU CONSIDER REMOVING YOUR MOTION AND REPLACING IT WITH PERHAPS IF YOU THINK ABOUT THIS A DELAY UNTIL WE CAN GET ACROSS SOME OF THE HURDLES.

WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? IF YOU DON'T WANT TO ANSWER, I KNOW THAT, I'M GOING TO PUT THAT ON YOUR MIND SO YOU KNOW I ASKED.

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>> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, AND I DON'T WANT TO WASTE YOUR TIME, BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE TO ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS, I'M GOING TO JUST HAVE TO SAY NO, BUT I HATE SAYING IT LIKE THAT, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO WASTE YOUR TIME.

>> IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO BE STRAIGHTFORWARD AND SUCCINCT.

LET ME JUST LAY THIS OUT.

I'M ONE OF THOSE WHO EARLY ON, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SCHOOL WITH THE BATCH PLANT WHEN I FIRST ARRIVED AND I KNOW I VOTED AGAINST THAT.

MOST FOLKS KNOW THAT I'M VERY STRONG ON ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, BUT I'M STRONG ON ISSUES AND I'M VERY STRONGER ON FACTS.

WHEN WE FIRST POSTED THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, I DIDN'T SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER, I DIDN'T SPEAK TO ANYONE BUT MY STAFF AND I SAID, LET'S GET IN THE CAR, SO I WILL KNOW WHAT I'M VOTING ON.

WE TRAVELED OUT. WE DROVE THE 35, I THINK IT'S MANANA ENTRANCE.

WHEN I ARRIVED THERE, I SAID, MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS, THIS IS NOTHING BUT AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.

>> WE TOOK PICTURES.

I HAVE PICTURES FOR THOSE WHO NEEDED A LETTER FROM ME THIS MORNING TO PROVE THAT I WAS TELLING THE TRUTH ON ANOTHER ITEM.

I DON'T HAVE A LETTER FOR THAT, BUT I DO HAVE A PICTURE TO SHOW THAT WE WERE THERE.

WHEN WE ARRIVED, WE SAW I THINK A MULCH PLANT.

I SAW THE POSTING FOR THIS ZONING REQUEST.

WE SAW ANOTHER PLANT, I THINK SOME TYPE OF PROTEIN OR SOME FOOD RECYCLING PLANT.

THEN ALL I SAW WAS BATCH PLANTS, ROADS WHERE THEY WERE TOUGH FOR US TO TRAVEL.

I MUST ADMIT EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS, DO NOT GO ANY FURTHER, WE WENT FURTHER BECAUSE I NEEDED TO SEE WHAT WAS THERE.

THE QUESTION I NEED TO HAVE STAFF TO COME UP, MS. ANDREA, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE WHERE I AM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE COULD BE THERE.

THERE WERE NO HOUSES THERE.

THERE WERE NO CHILDREN WALKING TO SCHOOL THERE, NOTHING BUT THE PLANTS.

QUESTION ANDREA, WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON TODAY? IS IT A LAND USE, AN SUP? TELL US WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON SO FOLKS DON'T GET CONFUSED ABOUT ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT BRING IT UP?

>> YES. WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US TODAY IS THIS GENERAL ZONING CHANGE FROM AN INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH TO AN INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING ZONING DISTRICT AND AN ASSOCIATED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A CONCRETE BASH PLANT.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS APPROVAL FOR FIVE YEARS, CPC'S RECOMMENDATION WAS DENIAL.

>> WE'RE STRICTLY ON USE OF THE LAND?

>> ALL RIGHT. NOTHING ELSE, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DETERMINE THE COLOR OF THE BUILDING, IF WE DON'T LIKE THE BUILDING, WE DON'T LIKE TO OPERATE, STRICTLY LAND USE, CORRECT?

>> YES, AND LAND USE RELATED CONDITIONS TO MAKE THE USE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENCIES.

>> ALL RIGHT. TO THE ADJACENT USES, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID?

>> ALL RIGHT. THE ADJACENT USES AS WE SAW IT MIMIC WHAT THIS YOUNG MAN IS ASKING FOR IT IS AN INDUSTRIAL USE.

I JUST WANTED TO PUT YOU UP THERE IN THE FRONT SO WE DON'T GET CONFUSED ABOUT USE.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHAT I DO WANT TO TESTIFY TODAY FOR YOU SO THAT YOU'LL KNOW HOW I'M VOTING, WE TRAVEL, WE SAW, WE DOCUMENTED AND SO FOR MY STAFF THAT I ASKED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE SEEING THE SAME THING, WE ALL SAW THE SAME THING.

THERE WERE NO HOUSES, NO RESIDENTIAL, NO RESTAURANTS, NO MOVIE THEATERS.

ARE THERE ANY OF THOSE USES THAT I JUST DESCRIBED WITHIN A NOTIFICATION AREA, MISS ANDREA?

>> IN THE NOTIFICATION AREA?

>> OF WHERE THIS YOUNG MAN IS APPLYING FOR HIS USE?

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

LET ME LET ME LOOK.

IT'S VERY IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME TO SAY.

NO, ALL THE NOTIFICATION AREA WAS 300 FEET, AS I SAID, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALL INDUSTRIAL USES AND SOCCER FIELD TO THEM.

>> WHAT I SAW AND I THINK I WAS HERE PROBABLY ON THE END OF THAT MONEYGRAM PARK.

THAT WAS ONE TIME I DIDN'T TRAVEL.

HAD I TRAVELED, I WOULDN'T HAVE SUPPORTED THAT BECAUSE I CAN'T IMAGINE PUTTING A PARK IN THE MIDDLE OF THOSE USES AND SO I SHARE THAT WITH ALL.

I ASKED THE QUESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I NEED TO BRING PARK BACK UP.

WHAT CAME FIRST, THE PLANTS OR THE PARK? THE PLANTS WERE THERE FIRST BECAUSE WHAT I UNDERSTAND AS IT RELATED TO MONEYGRAM.

FOR ME, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I CAN'T SUPPORT THE DENIAL.

SOMETIMES WE A TAG TEAM OVER HERE, BUT TODAY, I HAVE TO SAY, AND I PERHAPS WILL COME BACK, MAYOR, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO WRAP UP JUST IN DEFENSE OF WHAT I'M SEEING TODAY BUT MAKE AN EXCEPTION BEFORE WE COME IN THERE.

>> YOU HAVE A SECOND ABOUT 3 MINUTES.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME. I'M GOING TO GO TO MR. [INAUDIBLE].

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WHAT'S THAT ALL ABOUT? SORRY, HELLO.

ALL RIGHT. THERE WE GO. MR. SENNA THIS IS 5 MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WE'VE OBVIOUSLY BEEN PUT IN A REALLY BAD POSITION FROM THE DECISIONS MADE BY PRIOR CITY LEADERS.

AT THIS POINT, I BELIEVE WE NEED TO DECIDE AS A CITY, WHAT WE WANT THIS AREA TO BECOME MOVING FORWARD.

IF THE GOAL IS FOR IT TO BECOME A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONE, THEN WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO RELOCATE THE SPORTS COMPLEX.

IF INSTEAD WE ENVISION THE AREA AS A RECREATIONAL HUB, THEN THERE ARE LEGAL AVENUES TO PURSUE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE REMAINING CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS.

LONG AS THE AREA CONTINUES TO BE A HEAVILY USED FOR RECREATION, I CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE, SUPPORT ADDING TO THE EXISTING POLLUTION.

AT THIS POINT, I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT MR. NAVAS MOTION OR A DEFERRAL TO EXPLORE ADDITIONAL OPTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> WE ARE ON ROUND TWO, AND SO WE'LL GO TO THE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM FOR 3 MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I MOVED TO DEFER THIS ITEM UNTIL MAY 28TH AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IT HAS BEEN MOVED IN SECONDED.

>> THAT MOTION IN ORDER.

IS IT DEBATABLE DISCUSSION? YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON YOUR MOTION.

>> I'LL BE BRIEF AND JUST SAY THANK YOU TO THE REASONING FROM COUNCILMAN RESENDEZ.

IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE THE TIME TO DISCUSS WHAT IS THE END GOAL THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND NOT APPROACH THIS AS PIECEMEAL AS THIS DECISION WOULD BE.

I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ FOR BRINGING IN THIS AS ONE OF SEVERAL OPTIONS FOR US TO CONSIDER ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>> WHO ELSE WISH TO YOU SPEAK ON OR FOR AGAINST THE MOTION BY THE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM?

>> ME.

>> THERE YOU GO. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR 5 MINUTES?

>> YES. FOR THE TWO WEEK DEFERRAL, DO WE HAVE A NORTH STAR THAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH SO THAT WAY WE GIVE OUR CITY MANAGER SOME DIRECTION, MAYBE, OR IS IT UNDERSTOOD FROM OUR CONVERSATIONS AROUND THE HORSESHOE? HE COULD USE MY TIME.

>> I BELIEVE IT IS UNDERSTOOD, AND THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO REALLY HAVE NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE FROM NOW UNTIL THEN AND I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH THE CITY MANAGER ON HER BEING PREPARED TO GIVE US A COURSE OF ACTION DEPENDING ON THE CONSENSUS THAT THIS BODY GIVES HER ON WHAT THAT GOAL IS OF THE COUPLE THAT WE'RE JUST MENTIONED FROM COUNCILMAN RESENDEZ?

>> LIKE I SAID, THIS IS SCHIZOPHRENIC ZONING, AND WE NEED TO DECIDE WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE WHEN IT GROWS UP AND I THINK IT'S NOT FAIR FOR EITHER THE BUSINESSES OR THE COMMUNITY.

THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AT ALL ACROSS OUR CITY, AND START UNDERSTANDING WHAT IT IS, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE AG IN YOURS, MR. ATKINS, AND SO AG ZONING WITH DIFFERENT USES THAT'S BEEN NOTED, WE MAY HAVE TO UNDO SOME THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN PAST TIMES.

BUT I THINK IT KEEPS EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE WANT TO BE WHEN WE GROW UP AS A CITY, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO HAVE CONCRETE. THANK YOU.

>> MISS ARNOLD, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES BECAUSE WE'RE SILL IN THE MOTION TO DEFER.

YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES IF YOU'D LIKE THEM.

>> THANK YOU. I SIMPLY WANT TO JUST CLOSE BY SAYING, I CAN SUPPORT THIS MOTION, BUT AS I THINK I HEARD THE SPEAKER PROCTOR, JUST ALLUDE TO THE FACT THAT FOR SOME REASON, WHEN IT GETS TO A CERTAIN INDIVIDUAL, A CERTAIN SITUATION, IN THIS CASE, THIS YOUNG AFRICAN AMERICAN MAN, IN THIS CASE.

NOW WE'RE GETTING READY, WE'VE GOT TO DO A WHOLE ROLL OUT AND IN TERMS OF HOW IT AFFECTS THE WHOLE CITY.

THAT'S THE WAY I'M SEEING IT.

IN THIS CASE, I WILL SUPPORT, I HOPE THAT IT WORKS OUT FOR HIM, BUT EVEN MORE SO, WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO THE CITIZENS THAT I DO RESPECT AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE HERE TO VOICE WAS BECAUSE I HAVE THOSE SAME SITUATIONS IN SOME OF MY COMMUNITIES WHERE I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR THE QUALITY OF THE AIR QUALITY AND ALL OTHER THINGS THAT RELATE TO QUALITY OF LIFE.

BUT IN THIS CASE, WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO DO SINCE WE HAVE TWO WEEKS, IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE THAT, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MIGHT I SUGGEST THAT SOME OF YOU GET IN YOUR CARS AND GO OUT TO THE SITE SO THAT YOU CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES OF WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GO IN TERMS OF TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THIS YOUNG MAN TO BE ABLE TO DO A BUSINESS THAT TRULY NATURALLY FITS.

I CANNOT MAKE IT UP.

IT TRULY FITS.

IN ORDER TO FIX IT,

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WE'VE GOT TO FACE IT, BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, IT FITS AND MY POSITION IS WE'VE GOT TO MAKE IT LEGIT SO IT FITS EVEN BETTER.

BUT TO YOU, MR. JOHNSON, I HOPE THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO CROSS OVER THIS HURDLE, AND YOU'RE YOUNG AFRICAN AMERICAN BUSINESSMAN.

I GOT YOU ON THAT, BUT HAD I NOT BEEN OUT TO SEE WHAT I SAW, I WOULD NOT BE HERE SPEAKING IN THE WAY THAT I'M SPEAKING NOW.

COUNCIL MEMBERS AND GRACEY SAID, YOU'VE BEEN OUT WITH THE SOCCER FIELD, I DROVE IT.

WE DROVE IT SO THAT WE COULD EXPERIENCE THE TRAVEL, THE ENVIRONMENT, ALL OF THAT.

ONCE AGAIN, IN MY OPINION, THE PARK NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT THERE.

AS A PARK WITH CHILDREN PLAYING WITH THE SURROUNDINGS THAT WERE CLEARLY THERE AND SO GOOD LUCK TO YOU, MR. JOHNSON.

BUT COUNCIL MEMBERS, MIGHT I SUGGEST ONE MORE TIME TO MAKE A MORE INTELLIGENT DECISION ABOUT IT, YOU NEED TO GET OUT THERE AND DRIVE IT SO THAT YOU CAN SEE FOR YOURSELF.

THANK YOU TO THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR ALLOWING ME TO THIS TIME TO BE ABLE TO JUST SHARE A LITTLE BIT, BUT THOSE OF YOU IN THE AUDIENCE, YOU TOO, IF YOU'RE CLEARLY CONVICTED ON THIS AIR QUALITY, GET IN YOUR CARS AND GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK FOR YOURSELF, AND PERHAPS YOU WILL SEE WHAT ACTUALLY EXISTS IN THAT LOCATION.

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.

>> CHAIRMAN GRACEY YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTE.

FIVE MINUTE, A MOTION TO DEFER.

>> YEAH. I SUPPOSE I SUPPORT THE MOTION.

AGAIN, I HATE THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS.

AGAIN, COUNCIL MEMBER RESENDEZ, I CAN APPRECIATE YOUR POINT AND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM ON THIS.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO DEFER.

WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS TO TRY AND FIGURE IT OUT WHEN IT'S ALREADY BEEN FIGURED OUT, AND MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT.

I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS, BUT IT'S BEGRUDGINGLY, BUT ALSO, I'LL ADD WHEN WE COME BACK THAT I'D LIKE FOR THE SUP TO BE A LITTLE LONGER THAN THREE OR FIVE YEARS, CONSIDERING THAT THERE ARE ALREADY BATCH PLANS OUT THERE IS LIKE NINE.

I COULD SEE AT LEAST TWO OF THEM WHEN I WAS AT MY SON'S SOCCER GAME.

AGAIN, I JUST WANT THIS TO BE CONSISTENT. THANK YOU.

>> MISS SCHULTZ IS RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THE MOTION TO DEFER.

>> THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR.

LOOK, HERE'S WHAT WE KNOW TO YOUR POINT OF THE NORTH STAR, MY COLLEAGUE.

WE KNOW THAT WE CAN'T MOVE THE WHOLE SPORTS COMPLEX AND GOLF COURSE AND SHOOTING RANGE AND SOCCER FIELDS.

WE KNOW WE CANNOT MOVE ALL THE BATCH PLANTS AND THAT THERE'S MORE COMING.

THE POINT OF THE DEFERRAL AND THE REASON THAT I'M SUPPORTING IT IS TO GIVE THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ALL ARE IMPACTED IN THIS A CHANCE TO COME BACK AND SAY, THIS IS HOW WE CAN MAKE THE BEST OUT OF THIS SITUATION.

THE BEAUTY OF IT IS IF THEY WORK EXPEDITIOUSLY, BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO MORE BATCH PLANTS COMING DOWN THE ROAD, IT CAN GIVE US A MODEL THAT WE CAN USE FOR THE OTHER ONES THAT ARE COMING DOWN.

BECAUSE WE HAVE SO LIMITED AND I BELIEVE RIGHTLY SO, THE AREAS WHERE WE CAN HAVE MORE INTENSIVE USES, THEN WE HAVE A, ALLOW THEM TO WORK, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT OVERSTEPPING THEIR AIR, SO TO SPEAK, ON THIS.

I THINK THAT THE MISSION IS VERY CLEAR AND WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, AND IT'S A GOOD MOTION.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON FOR AGAINST THE MOTION TO DEFER? SEEING NONE, IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.