* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] GOOD AFTERNOON. IT IS 1:04 PM [Board of Adjustments: Panel C on May 19, 2025.] ON MONDAY, MAY 19TH, 2025. I'M ROBERT AGNI. I'M THE PRESIDING OFFICER OF PANEL C OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND THE VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD AS A WHOLE. UH, WELCOME TO OUR MEETING. UH, WE HAVE A QUORUM TODAY. UH, PRESENT TO MY LEFT IS MICHAEL DORN, RODNEY MILLIKEN, ROGER SINGTON, AND JARED SLADE. TO MY RIGHT IS DANIEL MOORE, OUR BOARD ATTORNEY AND ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, DR. KAMIKA MILLER HOSKINS, BOARD ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF PLANNER MARY WILLIAMS, BOARD SECRETARY AND MEETING MODERATOR. UH, BEFORE WE BEGIN, A FEW COMMENTS. UH, MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR. WE GIVE OUR TIME FREELY AND RECEIVE NO FINANCIAL COMPENSATION. WE OPERATE UNDER THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED RULES OF PROCEDURE, WHICH ARE POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE AND WHICH WE WILL BE, UH, DISCUSSING TODAY. NO ACTION, UH, OR DECISION ON A CASE SETS A PRECEDENT. EACH CASE IS DECIDED UPON ITS MERITS AND CIRCUMSTANCES, UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED. EACH USE IS PRESUMED TO BE LEGAL. WE MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES, NOT POLICY AND NOT PEOPLE. UH, WE'VE BEEN FULLY BRIEFED PRIOR TO THIS HEARING BY STAFF. WE'VE ALSO REVIEWED A DOCKET THAT WAS POSTED SEVEN DAYS PRIOR TO THIS MEETING ON THE BOARD'S WEBSITE. ANY EVIDENCE YOU WISH TO SUBMIT TO THE BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO MS. WILLIAMS, UM, WHEN YOUR CASE IS CALLED. AND THIS EVIDENCE, UH, MUST BE RETAINED FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD. UH, LETTERS OF THE BOARD'S ACTION TODAY WILL BE MAILED TO THE APPLICANT VIA BOARD ADMINISTRATOR SHORTLY AFTER TODAY'S HEARING AND WILL BECOME A PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD FOR EACH CASE. ANYONE DESIRING TO SPEAK TODAY IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING SHOULD REGISTER WITH MS. WILLIAMS, UH, IN FACT AT ANY POINT. SO IF YOU HAPPEN, IF YOU INTEND TO SPEAK AND YOU HAVE NOT FILLED OUT A GREEN CARD, UH, NOW IS THE TIME TO DO IT. UH, EACH REGISTERED SPEAKER IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD WILL HAVE A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES. YOU CAN SPEAK TO ANY, ANY ISSUE ON OUR AGENDA, UH, DURING, UH, THE HEARING OF CASES. UM, EACH APPLICANT WILL RECEIVE FIVE MINUTES, UH, OPPOSITION FIVE, AND AN APPLICANT, UH, A FIVE MINUTE REBUTTAL. WE WILL EXTEND THAT, UH, WHERE NEEDED, UH, AND WE'LL DO IT EQUITABLY. UH, IF YOU ARE ONLINE AND YOU'RE SPEAKING, YOU NEED TO HAVE YOUR FACE AND AUDIO ON IN ORDER TO BE PRESENT. UH, ALL COMMENTS ARE DIRECTED TO THE PRESIDING OFFICER AND I MAY MODIFY SPEAKING TIMES AS MISSED. OKAY. UM, FIRST MATTER IS OUR, UH, MINUTES FROM, UH, OUR MARCH MEETING. DO I HAVE A MOTION? VICE CHAIR HAMAN. SIR, I MOVE THAT THE, UH, BDA APPROVED THE MEETING MINUTES FROM OUR MARCH, 2024 MEETING AS, UM, AS SUBMITTED. SO, SECOND AGNI SECONDS. UH, SINGTON SECONDED BY AGNI. UH, ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. UM, FURTHER VOTES WILL BE DONE BY ROLL CALL. UM, SO THE NEXT CASE IS CONSIDERATION APPROVAL OF OUR AMENDED BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT RULES OF PROCEDURE. UH, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, THOUGHTS, ANYTHING AT ALL? WELL, OKAY. THERE'S A HEARING, BUT YES. UH, WOULD YOU, UH, IS THERE A MOTION VICE CHAIR AG? DOES THAT HAVE A MOTION? MR. S UM, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS APPROVE THE, UM, UM, OH MY GOD. HELP ME . THE AMENDED RULE BOARD RULES OF PROCEDURE. YEAH. THE AMENDED, UM, RULES AND PROCEDURES AS AS THEY'VE BEEN SUBMITTED. IS THERE A SECOND CHAIR? SECOND. OKAY. SINGTON MOTION, UH, SECONDED BY MR. MILLIKEN COMMENTS, PLEASE CALL [00:05:03] MR. SLAY. AYE. MR. SINGTON? AYE. MR. MILLIKEN? AYE. MR. GORN? AYE. MR. VICE CHAIR? AYE. MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ZERO AT THIS POINT, LET ME ASK WHETHER WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS REGISTRAR, SIR. OKAY. SO THOSE ARE DISPOSED OF. UM, WE HAVE A, UH, WE HAVE ONE UNCONTESTED CASE. UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION? VICE CHAIR AG EVERMORE MR. SASH? UM, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS GRANT THE FOLLOWING APPLICATIONS LISTED ON THE UNCONTESTED DOCKET BECAUSE IT APPEARS FROM OUR EVALUATION OF THE PROPERTY AND ALL, ALL RELEVANT EVIDENCE THAT THE APPLICATIONS SATISFY ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT GOAL AND ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE CODE AS APPLICABLE TO WIT IN THE CASE OF BDA 2 4 5 0 5 7 APPLICATION BY SDA P ADE FOR A VARIANCE TO THE PARKING REGULATIONS AND VARIANCE TO THE FRONT YARD SETBACK REGULATIONS IN THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE IS GRANTED SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, COMPLIANT WITH THE MOST RECENT VERSION OF ALL SUBMITTED PLANS ARE REQUIRED. THERE A SECOND MR. SLATE VICE CHAIR ARGUMENT? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. SINGTON SECONDED BY SLATE COMMENTS. OKAY, MS. WILLIAMS? MR. SLAY. AYE. MR. SINGTON? AYE. MR. MILLIKEN AYE. MR. DORN AYE. MR. VICE CHAIR AYE. MOTION TO GRANT PASSES? FIVE TO ZERO. OKAY. SO HERE'S THE FIRST EVENT. HERE'S BDA 2 4 5 DASH 0 6 9 5 4 6 5 EAST MOCKINGBIRD LANE. IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK, PLEASE. ARE THE SPEAKERS HERE FOR OR AGAINST THIS TAPE? MR. TIDO, CAN YOU PLEASE PROVIDE VIDEO AND AUDIO? WOULD YOU PLEASE BE SWORN IN AND THEN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, UH, BEFORE YOU SPEAK? THERE WE GO. YES. MY NAME IS SKY THIBO. I'M WITH MISSION RICH CONSULTANTS, UH, PO BOX 2 6 0 2 6 2 0 3 IN, UH, PLANO, TEXAS. UM, YEAH, JUST A PLEASANTLY SURPRISED TO CD SIR. EXCUSE THAT WE NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN. YEAH, I NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN. THANK YOU. SORRY ABOUT THAT. OKAY. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT? I DO. OKAY. PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YEAH, SKY THIBO. UH, MISSION RICH CONSULTANTS. ADDRESS IS PO BOX 2 6 0 2 0 3 PLANO, TEXAS 7 5 0 2 6. PLEASE PROCEED. YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, YEAH, WE, UH, WE WERE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED TO SEE THE, UH, ADOPTION OF THE REFORM, THE PARKING REFORM WITH CITY COUNCIL LAST WEEK. UH, WE KNEW THESE ITEMS WERE GONNA BE KIND OF, UH, KIND OF SIDE BY SIDE AROUND THIS TIME, BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GONNA GO THAT QUICKLY THROUGH COUNCIL. SO, UH, WITH THAT, UM, LAST WEEK AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THE REFORM, UH, NEW STANDARDS WE GOT WITH STAFF, HOW, HOW SHOULD WE HANDLE OUR CASE? NOW THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE CONFORMING TO THE NEW STANDARDS, UH, SHOULD WE SEND IN A LETTER OF WITHDRAW? UM, SHOULD WE GO ABOUT ANOTHER PROCESS? AND THROUGH, UH, DISCUSSIONS, IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT WE MAKE A REQUEST TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND MOVE FORWARD THAT WAY. SO THE PROJECT IS NOT, UH, IMPACTED IN ANY KIND OF, UH, WAY THAT WE GO AGAINST, UH, WHERE WE'RE LOOKING TO GO WITH IT. UM, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS, UH, WE'RE JUST, UH, THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION TODAY. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL? THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN FAVOR OF THIS OTHER SPEAKER? NO. THE SPEAKERS REGISTERED SIR. AND NONE AGAINST. NONE AGAINST. OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION, MR. SWIFT, VICE CHAIR? AGNI, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND APPEAL NUMBER BDA 2 4 5 DASH 0 6 9 ON APPLICATION OF KEVIN PICKMAN REPRESENTED BY SKYE THITO, DENY THE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS TO THE PARKING REGULATIONS REQUESTED BY THIS APPLICANT WITHOUT PREJUDICE BECAUSE OUR EVALUATION OF THE PROPERTY AND THE TESTIMONY SHOWS THAT THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION HAS BEEN REQUESTED TO BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE AT THIS TIME. SMASHING TO THE SECOND, UM, COMMENTS? UH, YEAH, I, I THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED TO, YES. UH, GOOD [00:10:01] CATCH ON THE, ON THE MOTION. UH, OTHER COMMENTS. MS. WILLIAMS? MR. SLATE? AYE. MR. MILLIKEN? AYE. MR. TON? AYE. MR. DORN? AYE. MR. VICE CHAIR AYE. MOTION TO DENY PASSES. 5 2 0. NEXT CASE WITH BDA 2 3 4 DASH 1 1 9 25 50, I'M SORRY, 1255 ANNEX AVENUE. IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU STAND AND BE SWORN AND DO THIS ALL AT ONCE? WE CAN. MS. WILLIAMS, DO YOU ALL SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT? OKAY. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND I'M SORRY, I ASSUME THOSE WERE THE APPLICANTS. UM, IS THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE. ARE ARE YOU SPEAKERS IN FAVOR? YOU ARE NOT. SO THERE ARE, THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE. THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS IN FAVOR. OKAY. SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU'RE SWORN IN. UH, CAN YOU PLEASE TURN ON THE MICROPHONE ON THE GREEN LIGHT? THIS MICROPHONE IS NOT MEANT FOR TALL PEOPLE, BUT IS IT ON? DO YOU SEE THE LITTLE LIGHT ON THE BASE? I SEE A GREEN LIGHT. THERE YOU GO. YOU'RE GOOD. GOOD. ALRIGHT. UM, UH, MY NAME IS DENNIS HARRISON. MY WIFE SUSAN AND I LIVED NEXT TO THIS PROPERTY, UH, I'D SAY RIGHT NEXT TO, WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR 12 YEARS. WE ARE THE FIRST HOUSE IN THE PEAK EXHIBITION, HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, AND WE HAVE RESCUED THIS HOUSE FONDLY OVER THE LAST 12 YEARS. UH, OUR OBJECTION TO THE, UH, THE REQUESTING SUBJECT, THEY'RE REQUESTING A SETBACK OF 20 FEET, ONE INCH. OUR, UH, OUR BUILDING LINE, OUR SETBACK, IS AT 21 FEET IN THE HANDOUT THAT I BROUGHT IN, UH, SCHEDULE A OF A COPY OF OUR, UH, ONE OF OUR COPIES OF OUR SITE PLAN. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN THIS AREA, SO THAT'S JUST ONE OF THEM SURVEY. AND, UH, IT SHOWS A 21. OUR SETBACK IS 21 FEET. THE BUILDING LINE IS 21 FEET. THEY'RE ASKING FOR TO BE IN BASICALLY A FOOT CLOSER TO THE STREET THAN WE ARE AT 20 FEET, ONE INCHES. UH, SO , WE'RE REASONABLE PEOPLE. WE ALL, WE WANT THIS PROPERTY DEVELOPED BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IN AN I SALE FOR A YEAR, IT'S, IT'S JUST AWFUL. UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE IN FAVOR. WE'RE REASONABLE PEOPLE. WE JUST LIKE IT TO BE NEEDED. PLUS OUR BUILDING LINE IS 21 FEET . ALL WE'RE ASKING YOU THERE BE AT LEAST 21 FEET. UM, AND, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING WE LIKE TO BRING TO ATTENTION. UH, THE OTHER THING IS IN THEIR, UH, APPLICATION, AND I APOLOGIZED TO MR. GOLD. I WROTE HIS NAME TO DANNY GLOVER FOR SOME REASON, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT STUCK IN MY MIND. I WAS READING, UH, THE APPLICATION THAT, UH, DANNY GLOVER GL GOLD, UH, SUBMITTED AND IT SAID, WELL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, THEY HAVE TO DO THIS BECAUSE OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE SAME ZONING HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM. AND THEN SO SUDDENLY I THOUGHT, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE. THE CROSS STREET, SEVEN YEARS AGO, THEY BUILT FOUR TOWNHOUSES. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. UH, SO I DID SOME INVESTIGATION. IT TURNS OUT THAT THEIR SETBACK IS 22 FEET, SIX INCHES, SO REASONABLY, I'M JUST SAYING AT LEAST MAKE THEM 21 FEET SO THEY'RE NOT STICK OUT IN FRONT OF US. UH, BUT REALLY WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST FOR THE, UH, AESTHETICS. THIS YOU ARE ENTERING THE COMING OFF LIVE, THOUGH THIS IS THE THIRD CENTURY INTO THE WHOLE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BEAUTIFUL TOWNHOUSE OVER HERE MAKING THE SAME. SO WHAT WE'D LOVE FOR YOU GUYS IS, UH, SAY 1 2 6 22 0.6. THEY TAKE NORM, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'D LOVE IT. PUT 23 STEPS. BUT IF FOR SOME REASON YOU CAN'T DO THAT OR DON'T SEE THE BENEFIT OF THAT, AT LEAST IT IS 21. SO, [00:15:01] YOU KNOW, WE DON'T COME OUT OUR DOOR. DO THOSE. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. I'M GONNA INTERRUPT VERY QUICKLY BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE, UH, UH, PLEASE SIT DOWN. THANK YOU. WE'VE RECEIVED SEVERAL LETTERS THAT INDICATE THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE ISSUE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THAT PICTURE WAS, THAT I, UH, AND SO WE OUGHT TO VERIFY BEFORE WE GO FORWARD. AND I THINK, UH, I THINK OUR ATTORNEYS ARE CONFERRING RIGHT NOW. SO, UM, YOU DON'T MIND GIVING US A QUICK SECOND SO WE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE SET AT THAT. SO THE STAFF GO AHEAD. SO I JUST TALKED TO DIANA ABOUT IT. UM, THERE IS THE RPS SLOPE LINE, BUT UNDER THE RPS SECTION, YOU GET TO BUILD 25, OR SORRY, 26 FEET TALL, REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU ARE IN THE SLOPE LINE. AND THEN YOU HAVE A MAX HEIGHT IN THIS DISTRICT, IT'S 36 FEET. SO THE RPS LINE ONLY REALLY COMES INTO PLAY FOR THE FOOTAGE THAT'S 26 TO 36 FEET. AND THEY HAVE DESIGNED THE STRUCTURE SUCH THAT IT COMPLIES IN THAT WINDOW WITH THE RRP S LINE. SO LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT THE, THE STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT, UH, THIS, UH, PROPOSED, UH, STRUCTURE, UM, DOES NOT VIOLATE THE RPS. UH, OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. SUSAN HARRISON BOOK. SUSAN HARRISON, 1207 ANNEX AVENUE. I'M SHORT, HE'S NOT, UM, I'LL TAKE MUCH FEWER THAN FIVE MINUTES. I TOO LIVE AT 1207 ANNEX AVENUE. WE'VE BEEN THERE 12 YEARS. UM, AND I OPPOSE THE SETBACK BEING MOVED CLOSER TO, UH, ANNEX. UM, BECAUSE FOR TWO REASONS. ONE, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE OUT OF OUR WINDOW ANYWHERE, BUT MAYBE THE SKY THERE. UM, AND SECONDLY, THE, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS SOMETHING SO MANY FEET AND ONE INCH, I'M IN A FAMILY OF PEOPLE WHO BUILT HOUSES, AND THAT'S COMICAL AT THIS ONE INCH. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? SO THEY'RE WANTING MORE THAN THAT. AND SO I OPPOSE THEIR, UM, AUTHOR TO BE IN FRONT OF THE, UM, BUILDING LINE ON THAT STREET. ANY QUESTIONS? UM, DO THE, DO THE PLANS? WELL, IF WE APPROVE, WE, WE WOULD HOLD AN APPLICANT TO THE PLANS. DO THE PLAN. UH, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY YOU EXPECT THEM TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE INCH? OH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR SO MANY INCHES PLUS OR SO MANY FEET PLUS ONE INCH. MM-HMM . AND THAT MAKES ME GIGGLE BECAUSE NOTHING IN BUILDING EXCEPT MAYBE AN INTERIOR IS MEASURED BY FEET PLUS ONE INCH. UM, SO I WANT THIS SET BACK TO BE 21 FEET. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. JIM ANDERSON, 47 0 6 WEST AVENUE. UM, I'M, I LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M THE NEIGHBORHOOD VICE PRESIDENT AND I'M KIND OF SUPPORTING RE THE LETTER THAT WE WROTE FROM IT CAME FROM PATTY SIMON, THE PRESIDENT. UM, IW I'M ALSO AN URBAN PLANNER. I WORKED FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AND WE WERE CONCERNED THAT THE, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE HARRISON PART THAT THEY LIVE IN IS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IS IMPORTANT THAT ALL THE BUILDINGS LINE UP. UM, WE'RE JUST CONCERNED THAT THE BUILDING SHOULD NOT STICK OUT ANY FURTHER THAN THEY ALREADY, YOU KNOW, SHOULD LINE UP WITH THE BUILDING. AND ON THE RPSI DID NOTICE THAT WHAT THEY SENT OUT IN THE DOCK PACKET OF OUR RPS, SO THE DESIGN THAT IS IN THE PACKET, NOT WITH THEIR BUILDING, I DON'T KNOW. SO WE NEED TO CHECK THAT A BIT FURTHER BECAUSE THE RPS RPS IS VIOLATED IN THE, WHAT THEY SENT OUT TO US IN THE, THE PACKET. THANK YOU. UM, OKAY. YOU, YOU, UM, RAISED A POINT THAT WE NEED TO [00:20:01] DEAL WITH. IF WE NOTICED IT INCORRECTLY. THE REQUEST, SORRY. THE REQUEST IS A VARIANCE TO THE FRONT YARD SETBACK REGULATIONS TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY, THAT MR. ANDERSON'S CORRECT THAT THEY'RE VIOLATING THE RPS AND WOULD NEED A VARIANCE TO THE HIGH REGULATIONS. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS NOTICED TODAY. THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THE APPLICANT REQUESTED. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE RPS SECTION. WE'RE JUST CONCERNED THAT WHAT WAS SUBMITTED IN THIS FOR THIS CASE DID NOT FIT THE RRP S SO WE'RE JUST THE CONCERN THAT THEY DON'T BUILD SOMETHING THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO. I WOULD LIKE TO, LIKE TO AVOID, UM, BEING IN, IN A SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY HAS TO SUE IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN DEAL WITH QUICKLY. UM, BUT THE, THE, THE REAL QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH NOTICE WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THERE ARE NO DRAWINGS, THAT THERE'S, THERE'S NO APPLICATION. GIVE US A MINUTE. THERE IS AN UPDATED, UM, PLAN AND THE UPDATED PLAN IS NOT THE ONE THAT IS IN THE DOCKET. SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR US? IT MEANS YOU WOULD JUST MAKE IT COMPLY WITH THE NEW VERSION OF THE PLAN. BUT TO MR. ANDERSON'S POINT, THE MATERIAL IN THE DOCKET MAY SHOW THAT IT VIOLATES RPS, BUT THE ONE THAT STAFF, THE REVISED PLAN STAFF HAS, DOES NOT VIOLATE THE RPS. SO THAT MEANS WE DO NOT HAVE A NOTICE ISSUE. YOU CANNOT GRANT A VARIANCE TO THE HEIGHT REGULATIONS FOR RPS TODAY, PERIOD. BUT THAT IS NOT ONE OF OUR REQUEST REQUESTS. THAT'S NOT WHAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED. OKAY. RIGHT. WE'RE NOT ASKING, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE DRAWING THAT WAS SUBMITTED IS BEING REVISED BECAUSE WE'RE PARANOID YES. STAFF HAS AN UPDATED PLAN. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. SO THANK YOU. SO DO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE OTHER ISSUES? AND YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS. OH, I, I'M DONE WITH MY, OKAY. ARE THERE QUESTIONS? UM, MR. SASH, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M HAVE A QUESTION, BUT, UM, I'M, I THINK I MAY BE A LITTLE LOST AS TO THE PROCESS OF THE DOCUMENTATION. WHAT, WHAT DO WE HAVE IN TERMS OF DOCUMENTATION AND WHAT, AND, UH, WHEN WAS IT SUBMITTED AND THE, THE, UM, MEMBERS WHO ARE THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY HERE WHO ARE HERE IN OPPOSITION, DO THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VIEW THAT DOCUMENTATION SINCE IT'S APPARENTLY NEW DOCUMENTATION? SO I JUST WANNA BE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S, UM, WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH THE PLAN IS, IS OUR PACKET CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE, THE PLAN THAT IS IN THE PACKET THAT WAS PUBLISHED ONLINE HAS BEEN UPDATED AND STAFF HAS AN UPDATED VERSION OF THAT PLAN. RIGHT. SO WE'VE NOTICED CORRECTLY, AND THE DOCUMENTATION THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE IS THE MOST RECENT UP-TO-DATE DOCUMENTATION. JUST THE INFORMATION IN OUR PACKET HASN'T BEEN UPDATED. SO WE'RE COVERED IN, IN TERMS OF WHAT'S NOTICED AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO BE, BE VIEWED BY THE PUBLIC ON THE, ON THE, UM, WEBSITE. CORRECT. I'M SORRY, DID IT SOUND LIKE BLAH, BLAH, BLAH? NO, NO, NO. I WAS, I WAS, MARY JUST WHISPERED IN MY EAR THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE. UM, BUT I CAN, CAN YOU, CAN YOU ASK YOUR QUESTION AGAIN, MR. SINGTON? I'M SORRY. SO WHAT'S NOTICED, RIGHT? SO THE DOCUMENTATION THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE THAT'S POSTED TO THE, FOR THE PUBLIC VIEW IS THE CORRECT DOCUMENT. IS THE UPMOST RECENT, UH, VERSION OF THE PLAN? YES OR NO? I, I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK. STAFF MIGHT BE ABLE TO, STAFF MIGHT KNOW OFF THE TOP OF THEIR HEAD. I THINK I HEAR. NO, I THINK I, I'M, I'M HEARING THERE IS SOMETHING UP THERE THAT WE, IS THAT A, IS THAT A CONCERN? SO FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, THE ISSUE WITH THE PROXIMITY SLOPE THERE, THERE'S NOT A REQUEST BEFORE THE BOARD FOR PROXIMITY SLOPE. YEAH. WELL, NO, WE'RE JUST WONDERING WHETHER SUBMITTED OR PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO THE DONOR OR PERMITTING OFFICE, WHICH IS WHAT THEY SUBMITTED TO US. BUT IT, IT WASN'T A REQUEST. SO THEREFORE IT WASN'T A REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO PROVIDE US THOSE, THOSE SPECIFIC PLANS. IT WAS JUST INCLUDED THAT PACKET. CORRECT. THANK YOU, DR. MUJA. IF I DID SAY SOMETHING, UH, IN A, ARE WE LOOKING AT THE MOST UPDATED PLAN THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING US TO APPROVE, WHETHER FORGET THE RRP S UNDERSTAND FOR THE FRONT YARD SET REGULATION FOR, FOR THE TWO THINGS OR, UH, YES. FOR, FOR, FOR THE VARIANCE TO [00:25:01] THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, MS. SPARK. AND THEN DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD THAT ANSWERS THIS QUESTION? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE NOTE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE RPS UH, TODAY, BUT THE CONCERN THAT WE HAVE IS THAT THERE WAS SENT OUT IN THE PACKET IS NOT CORRECT. WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET A COPY OF THE CORRECT SET OF PLANS SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THE RRP S IS IN PLACE. OKAY. THANK YOU. CAN THAT BE, CAN THAT BE SENT TO SOMEBODY? CAN YOU EMAIL THAT TO THE APPLICANT? WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS, WHERE IT IS. SO, UM, BUT NOTED AND WE'LL, WE'LL GET, WE'LL ANSWER IT. SO THE SITE PLAN THAT'S IN THE DOCKET IS CORRECT. THAT REFLECTS THE 20 FOOT, ONE INCH THE ELEVATIONS IS WHAT'S IN QUESTION IS NOT ANYTHING THAT SHOULD HAVE COME BEFORE THE BOARD AS A REQUEST. SO THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN THAT'S IN THERE, THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT IS CORRECT. SO IT IS CORRECT, YES. BUT OUR CONCERN IS WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THIS GOES FORWARD, WE KNOW WHAT IS GONNA BE BUILT AND WHAT THEY SUBMITTED TO THIS BOARD TODAY. THE SITE PLAN, THE SITE PLAN IS CORRECT. WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ELEVATIONS. THE ELEVATIONS IS NOT IN QUESTION. WE A PART OF THE REPORT. WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE ELEVATIONS. NEIGHBORS GET A COPY OF THE ELEVATIONS BEFORE THEY BUILD IT. WE HAVE TO GET ON THE BUILDING INSPECTION FOR THE THIRD TIME. AGAIN, MORE INFORMATION. IS THAT A PUBLIC RECORD? AND THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE BOARD'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT A REQUEST. HE'S JUST ASKING IF HE CAN GET A COPY OF, HE CAN CONTACT THE PERMITTING DEPARTMENT WHERE THE PLAN . SO WE HAVE TO GO BACK DOWN THE BUILDING INSPECTION AGAIN FOR THE THIRD TIME. IF THEY, IF ANYONE WERE ASKING US ABOUT HEIGHT AND TO VIOLATE THE RPS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ASK US THAT WOULD BE NOTICED DIFFERENTLY. THAT, SO NOTHING WE DO TODAY WOULD APPROVE A, A HEIGHT THAT, THAT, UH, THAT THE CODE DOESN'T ALREADY APPROVE. I UNDERSTAND. OUR CONCERN IS THAT WE SENT OUT FOR THIS HEARING WAS INCORRECT AND SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SENT OUT. I BELIEVE IT MAKES THE NEIGHBORS A LITTLE WOUND UP AND PARANOID BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT CORRECT. I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN. YOU'RE ON THE RECORD. THE STAFF HAS SAID THAT WHAT THEY SENT IS CORRECT. SO WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO BILLING, INSPECTION TO SEE THE SET OF PLANS. I'M TOLD THAT WHAT THEY SENT IS CORRECT. I DON'T KNOW WHY HE WOULD GO BACK FOR SOMETHING THAT ISN'T CORRECT. RIGHT. SO FOR THE SITE PLAN, HE'S CONCERNED THAT THE ELEVATIONS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THEIR OVERALL PACKET MM-HMM . IS AN ISSUE. WE WILL, WHEN OUR PLANNERS STAMP THE PLANS, THEY WILL STAMP THE, THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN AND NOT THE ELEVATIONS. SO THE, THEY CAME FOR THE FRONT YARD SET THAT WHICH IS ILLUSTRATED ON THE SITE PLAN PLAN. WE WON'T STAMP THE ELEVATIONS, WHICH HE IS SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S INCORRECT. MEANING THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED AT PERMITTING. THEY'RE ONLY HERE FOR THE SETBACK, THE FRONT YARD SETBACK REGULATIONS. SO WE'LL STAMP IF APPROVED BY THE BOARD TODAY, A OF APPROVAL WILL GO ON THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN. SO, SO IT APPEARS THAT SOMETHING IN THE PACKET SHOWING THE ELEVATION IS INCORRECT. HOWEVER, THAT ISN'T THE PROVENANCE OF THIS BOARD TODAY. IF AN ELEVATION WERE TO BECOME AN ISSUE, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE US. UH, AND IT WOULD SO ABSENT COMING BEFORE US, IT WOULD HAVE TO, TO CONFORM TO THE CODE. UNDERSTAND. I BELIEVE THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS IF YOU WOULD LIKE A COPY OF THE PLANS, THEY ARE A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD. TRUE. HOW COULD HE GET A A, A COPY OF THE PLANS, THE ELEVATIONS? IT'S A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD. SO HE COULD SUBMIT A REQUEST TO THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE FOR THE PHONE. WELL, CAN'T WE JUST GO BACK TO BILLINGS? I I, MY CONCERN IS I DON'T THINK THIS THIS DESIGN IS EVEN COMPLETE YET. I DON'T THINK THEY EVEN HAVE THE ELEVATIONS. I SUPPOSE IT MAY NOT, THE ONLY THING WE WOULD APPROVE TODAY WOULD BE, WOULD BE A SITE. I UNDERSTAND. SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO HERE NOW, EXCEPT TO SAY THAT IF THEY CAN'T GET A PERMIT WITHOUT A COMPLETE SET OF PLANS. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I KNOW. OKAY. BUT I BUT YOU WERE ON THE RECORD MULTIPLE TIMES HERE. SO I, I GUESS THE CONCERN IS THAT THEY SUBMITTED THE WRONG ELEVATION TO THIS BOARD AND I THINK THAT WAS A BIT INGENUOUS AND PROBABLY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN HAPPENED THEN IN THE FIRST PLACE. APPARENTLY IT'S NOT EVEN RELEVANT. SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED. OKAY. [00:30:01] ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE, SO IS IT FAIR TO SAY, JUST TO SUM UP, WE HAVE AN APPLICATION HERE FOR A VARIANCE TO A FRONT YARD SETBACK. THERE IS A HEIGHT TO THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE. IF IT WERE TO EXCEED ANY RESIDENTIAL SLOPE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME TO US. AND, UH, GIVEN THAT THEY HAVE NOT COME TO US AND ARE NOT ASKING FOR RELIEF, UH, THEY EITHER HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR OR INTEND TO COMPLY WITH IT. POSSIBLY SOMETHING IN THE NOTICE HAD AN ELEVATION. UH, WE SAW IT AND WERE CONFUSED AS WELL. UM, I THINK, UM, MR. MOORE MAY HAVE ANSWERED THE, THE, BUT, BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE, WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT A SETBACK. I THINK THAT PROBABLY SETS THE, THE RECORD STRAIGHT. NOW I HAVE A, A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. THE APPLICANT WAS CALLED AND NOT PRESENT. OPPOSITION HAS BEEN CALLED. NOW DOES THE APPLICANT, I I WAS ACTUALLY MISINFORMED. I WAS TOLD I WAS THE APPLICANT FOR BOOKER STREET WHO HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. OKAY. SO THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE FOR THIS PROBLEM. I DO NOT BELIEVE SO THEY'RE NOT HERE. OKAY. THE APPLICANT'S NOT HERE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS, SO, OKAY. SO, UH, THERE'S NO REBUTTAL. UM, IS THERE A MOTION VICE CHAIR? A MOTION? MR. SLATE? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND APPEAL NUMBER BDA 2 3 4 DASH ONE 19 ON APPLICATION OF DANNY GOLAN DENY THE VARIANCE OF THE FRONT YARD SETBACK REGULATIONS REQUESTED BY THIS APPLICANT WITH PREJUDICE, BECAUSE OUR EVALUATION OF THE PROPERTY AND THE TESTIMONY SHOWS PHYSICAL CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY, SUCH FEDERAL LIBERAL ENFORCEMENT OF PROVISIONS OF DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE AS AMENDED WOULD NOT RESULT IN UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP THIS TIME. AG SHALL SECOND SLATE. MOTION AG SECOND. UH, WHY WITH PREJUDICE? UM, ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS IS NOT CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTERESTS. UM, THOSE WHO APPEARED TODAY AND ARGUED AGAINST IT HAVE ESTABLISHED THAT THERE'S A GROUNDS FOR IT TO BE AGAINST THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND THE APPLICANT HAS NOT CARRIED THE BURDEN TO OVERCOME THAT OR ADDRESS THE OTHER REQUIRED ELEMENTS OF THE CASE. I, I AGREE WITH THAT. AND, UM, SINCE, UH, THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSING THIS APPLICATION APPEAR TODAY, IT WOULD SEEM A LITTLE UNFAIR TO PUNT, TO AFFORD THE APPLICANT ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE WHEN THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO PRESENT THEIR POSITION JUST FOR DAY ONE. UH, IF WE DENY SOMETHING, WE CAN DENY IT WITHOUT PREJUDICE OR WITH PREJUDICE. WITHOUT PREJUDICE MEANS THEY CAN REFILE WITH PREJUDICE MEANS THEY CAN'T REFILE IT TO YOU. AND THE MOTION IS WITH PREJUDICE. UM, I ECHO MR. SLATE, MS. SESSION. UM, I, I, I GUESS MR. SLATE, UM, OR STAFF, IF SOMEONE CAN HELP ME UNDERSTAND, I, I THINK I HEARD, UM, THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN OPPOSITION SAY THAT THERE ARE, THERE ARE ABOUT A FOOT OUT AHEAD OF THE PROPERTY LINE THAT THEIR PROPERTY ON. UM, IS THAT THE CASE? AND TWO, UM, SINCE WE DON'T KNOW THE CIRCUMSTANCES, UH, WHY THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE TODAY, AND THERE COULD BE SOME, YOU KNOW, UNFORESEEN, UH, CIRCUMSTANCES THAT, THAT, THAT THEY MAY NOT BE HERE. I, I, I, I JUST WOULD BE A LITTLE HESITANT TO DENY WITH PREJUDICE, UM, UM, FOR THAT FACT, UH, FOR THAT REASON. UH, SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THAT COULD BE RECONSIDERED, I, I MEAN I'D BE, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY, UH, OPEN TO SUPPORTING HIM MOTION TO NOT TO DENY WITH PREJUDICE, WITHOUT PREJUDICE. WHY ISN'T INSTEAD 90% OF ? BUT I GUESS I WAS STILL WAITING FOR, UM, AND, AND I'M SORRY IF I MISSED IT IN THE BRIEFING. UM, HOW, HOW MUCH OUT OF BED ARE THEY WITH THE, UM, UM, UH, AS IT COMPARES TO THE, UM, OPPOSITIONS, [00:35:01] UH, PROP PROPERTY? THEY ARE REQUESTING A VARIANCE OF, I THINK IT'S GIVE US 22 B ONE INCH OR 22 FEET. 21 FOOT. 20 FOOT ONE INCH. SO, NO, NOT ONE INCH. BUT, UM, BUT I THINK THERE, WHAT, WHAT IS THE VARIANCE REQUEST? I BELIEVE IT WAS FOUR. UM, SO THEY'RE PROVIDING A 20 FOOT, ONE INCH FRONT YARD SETBACK, WHICH WILL REQUIRE FOUR FOOT, 11 INCH VARIANCE TO POINT THAT SETBACK. A FOUR FOOT, 11 INCH VARIANCE IS WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED. AND, UM, I THINK I UNDERSTOOD THE OPPOSITION TO SAY THAT THEY, ONE OF, ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE OPPOSITION TO SAY THAT THEY WERE ABOUT A FOOT OUT AHEAD OF THEIR PROPERTY AND THAT COULD POTENTIALLY CAUSE SOME VIS, SOME VISIBILITY, UM, ISSUES WITH THEIR VIEW FROM, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THEIR, OF THEIR PROPERTY. I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD. UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I, I JUST WOULD HATE TO DENY WITH PREJUDICE ON THAT. OKAY. OTHER COMMENTS? MR. CHAIR? I'M IN SUPPORT OF DENYING IT, UH, WITH PREJUDICE AS WELL. UH, SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE WERE, UM, THE VARIANCE OF THE REQUEST OF THE FOREFOOT 11 INCHES. UH, TO ME THERE WAS NO REASON WHERE THE APPLICANT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BUILD WITHIN WHAT IS PERMITTED. SO I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS. WELL, I'D SAY AS I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, UH, WHO TO SEE IF THEY, THEY COULD, UH, MAKE AN ARGUMENT ABOUT THE, THE SIZE, BUT ABSENT THE INFORMATION, UH, I'M CON IN, IN MY MIND THAT THE CASE WOULD FAIL ON ITS MERIT. SO I, I DON'T, DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT THERE, THERE'S MUCH THAT, WELL THERE'S NOTHING THAT IS APPARENT AT THIS MOMENT, UH, THAT WOULD BENEFIT HEARING IT. AND THE COST OF HAVING ANOTHER BITE OF THE APPLE IS, IS OPPOSITION OPPOSITION'S TIME. AND, UH, FRANKLY, THE OPPOSITION TOOK THE TIME TO BE HERE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE A WAS, BUT THE OPPOSITION'S TESTIMONY TODAY DOES NOT, UM, EXPIRE IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S ANOTHER HEARING. SO THERE, THERE, THERE THEY WOULD STILL BE ON RECORD ACTUALLY, UH, IF WE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, WE WOULD HAVE A NEW APPLICATION TO ASSUMING THEY FILED ONE. YES. RIGHT. IT WOULD BE A NEW HEARING, A NEW RECORD OR NEW, CORRECT. CORRECT. CORRECT. BUT NONETHELESS, I, I, WELL, MR. DORN, DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS, THOUGHTS MR. BUSCH? BASED ON THE 25 FOOT SETBACK LINE, THEY COULD POTENTIALLY COME BACK AND PROPOSE 21 FEET OR 22.6 INCHES. I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. WHICH THE, UH, OPPOSITION BOTH HAVE, THEY CAN'T COME BACK WITH THE EXACT SAME APPLICATION. IF YOU DENY, IF YOU DENY WITH, IS THIS LIKE ASKING BASED ON ASSUME YOU DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE? WITH PREJUDICE? SORRY, COULD THEY COME BACK? THEY WOULD NEED A WAIVER FIRST BECAUSE IT WOULD STILL BE A VARIANCE TO THE FRONT YARD SETBACK NO MATTER WHAT THE NUMBER IS. CORRECT. SO THEY NEED A WAIVER, WHICH, WHICH ONLY THIS PANEL WOULD BE ABLE TO GRANT. MR. SA, MR. VICE CHAIR. I, I'D LIKE TO ASK, UM, MR. SLATE, IF HE WOULD ENTERTAIN, UM, REVISING THIS MOTION TO, UM, DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE, IS IT BEST TO JUST VOTE ON IT AND FIND OUT? WELL, I ASKED HIM. YOU CAN ASK. I, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR IN THIS. I KNOW HE CAN. MR. SINGTON RAISES A GOOD POINT, UM, [00:40:02] CONSIDERING THAT I WAS BEING LESS THAN, UM, GENEROUS REGARDING WHAT MIGHT CAUSE THE APPLICANT NOT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT HERE TODAY. UM, IN LIGHT OF THAT, I'M WILLING IF MY SECOND WOULD BE ABLE TO WITHDRAW THE, WITH PREJUDICE, UM, AND MAKE MY MOTION WITHOUT PREJUDICE, UH, I'M HAPPY TO WITHDRAW THE SECOND. UM, BLESS YOUR ARGUMENT VOICE. OH, YOU I WAS, OH, I, SORRY. SORRY. SO NOW YOU'RE GONNA MAKE ME BE THE JERK. UM, I GUESS YOU WILL, BUT I'LL LIVE WITH THAT. UM, UM, I SUPPOSE WE CAN, WE CAN VOTE ON WITHOUT PREJUDICE, WE COULD EASILY JUST VOTE ON WITH PREJUDICE AS WELL. UH, SO IF IT MAKES EVERYBODY FEEL BETTER, I WILL, UH, UH, IN DEFERENCE TO MR. SLADE, UH, SECOND HIS MOTION TO AMEND. SO NOW YOU SHOULD AMEND. YEAH. WOULD THAT REQUIRE A REREADING OF IT IN FULL WITHOUT PREJUDICE? NO, I THINK MR. SLADE, YOU CAN JUST SAY THAT YOU AMEND YOUR MOTION TO BE, UM, WITHOUT PREJUDICE, I WOULD AMEND MY MOTION FOR FEE WITHOUT PREJUDICE TO AFFORD THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY, A GOOD BASIS. YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO, IS THERE A SECOND? I, SECOND S MR. SASH SECOND DISCUSSION. ANYTHING DIFFERENT? SO THE MOTION NOW IS TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE, UH, I JUST SAY THIS, THE, THE, THE MEMBERS OF OF THE COMMUNITY THAT CAME IN OPPOSITION, UH, BY THEIR OWN TESTIMONIES, THEY, THEY WANT THIS PROPERTY DEVELOPED. THEY JUST WANT THE APPLICANT TO, I THINK IN HIS OWN WORDS, DO THE RIGHT THING. SO DENYING THIS WITH PREJUDICE, I THINK COULD POTENTIALLY PROLONG THE, THE, THE PROPERTY BEING, I MEAN, BEING DEVELOPED MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW. BUT, UM, I I THINK IN LIGHT OF, WE, WITH US NOT KNOWING THE REASONS THAT CAUSED THE APPLICANTS, APPLICANTS DON'T TYPICALLY JUST NOT SHOW, UH, IN MY BRIEF EXPERIENCE. UM, UM, SO I'D JUST LIKE TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW AND EITHER MAKE THEIR CASE OR NOT. I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND YOUR SENSITIVITY. I, I, YEAH, I, I I HAVE A, A SENSE A DIFFERENT SENSITIVITY, WHICH IS FOR THE, THE TIME OF EVERYONE ELSE. AND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE COMMUNICATION ISN'T THAT HARD AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO SHOW UP, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. SO, BUT I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I MEAN, YOU, YOUR APPROACH GIVES US FLEXIBILITY. IT DOES POSSIBLY REQUIRE A TIME AND EFFORT AND OTHER, AND, UM, VICE CHAIR, IF I MAY ADD TO THAT, I THINK, UH, THOSE WHO VOICED THEIR OPPOSITION DID SO WITH A VERY REASONABLE APPROACH WHERE THEY WERE AMENABLE POTENTIALLY TO SOME, UH, VARIANCE BEING PROVIDED, BUT DIDN'T LIKE THE EXTENT TO WHICH THIS, UM, DEVELOPER WAS LOOKING TO DO THINGS WHILE ALSO RAISING SOME OTHER CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPERTY. SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO ATTEMPT TO RENEW AN APPLICATION, THAT THAT DISCUSSION WOULD HOPEFULLY HAPPEN AND IDEALLY RESULT IN, UH, AGREEMENT ON AN APPROACH THAT THOSE WHO VOICED THEIR OFFICE ATTENTION TODAY COULD GET BEHIND AND THEREFORE MAYBE, UH, AMELIORATE ANY NEED FOR THEM TO APPEAL COMMENTS? MOTION IS TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE. MS. WILLIAMS, MR. SLATE? AYE. MR. ASHTON? AYE. MR. MILLIKEN NAY. MR. DORN, MR. VICE NAY THE VOTE? MOTION PASSES. PASSES. YEAH. THREE, THREE TO TWO. THREE TO TWO PASSES. 'CAUSE IT'S A, A MOTION TO DENY. OKAY. MOTION TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UM, AND THANK YOU FOR RAISING THE, THE RES UH, THE SLOPE ARGUMENT. I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IT DOESN'T SLIP THROUGH. UH, WE SHOULD SEE IT. UH, THANK YOU. NEXT CASE IS BD 2 4 5 DASH 0 6 4 5 9 3 [00:45:01] RICHMOND AVENUE. UH, IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST IT, PLEASE STAND AND BE SWORN. IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK, ANYONE WHO'S GONNA SPEAK ON IT, PLEASE BE SWORN. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT? OKAY. UM, PLEASE, MS. AMY HALL, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM. HI, CAN YOU HEAR ME? IS IS THE LIGHT ON? YES SIR, IT IS. OKAY, THERE YOU GO. OKAY. I DO NOT HAVE THE TALL PROBLEM, SO, OH, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND PROCEED. YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES, AMY HALL. THE ADDRESS IS 59 30 RICHMOND AVENUE. AND, UM, WE ARE JUST HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE VARIANCE. SO, UH, WE CAN HAVE, I THINK IT'S SEVEN OR 8% MORE OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE SQUARE FEET THAN WE'RE CURRENTLY ALLOWED, UM, ON OUR STREET. AND WE DID NOT KNOW THIS WHEN WE STARTED THE PROCESS. YOU ARE DICTATED THAT YOU GET ONE QUARTER THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF YOUR MAIN HOUSE. WE ARE STILL IN ONE OF THE LIKE 105 YEAR OLD HISTORIC CRAFTSMAN HOMES THAT WE'VE DILIGENTLY TRIED TO MAINTAIN, UM, EVEN AS A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS GETTING BULLDOZED AND REPLACED WITH 5,000 SQUARE FOOT HOMES. SO DUE TO THAT, WE'RE SORT OF BEING DISPROPORTIONATELY PENALIZED WITH THE SIZE OF OUR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. SO WE WERE ONLY GONNA BE ALLOTTED 505 SQUARE FEET. AND I THINK THAT THE ARCHITECT DIDN'T KNOW THAT , LIKE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF LEARNING CURVE HERE. SO THE DRAWINGS WERE FOR 640 SQUARE FEET AND WE JUST WANTED TO TRY TO GET THAT SUBMITTED SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD WITH HIM FROM AN EXPENSE STANDPOINT. UM, BUT ALSO JUST THE TIMELINE OF ALL THIS. AND, UH, I WAS HERE FOR THE BRIEFING THIS MORNING. SO JUST TO ADDRESS ONE THING THAT CAME UP, THE REASON WE OPTED FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE VERSUS JUST BUILDING ONTO OUR HOUSE IS THAT AGAIN, IT'S 105 YEARS OLD AND A LOT, I MEAN, EVERY QUOTE WE GOT FROM CONTRACTORS, ROOFERS, FOUNDATION, PEOPLE WERE PRETTY EXTREME IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO ATTACH OR GO UP TO THIS OLD HOUSE THAT ALREADY HAS LIKE SO MUCH MOVEMENT. WE'VE DONE EXTENSIVE FOUNDATION WORK ALREADY. SO SINCE THE GOAL WAS JUST TO HAVE AN EXTRA SPACE FOR WHEN MY IN-LAWS COME FROM INDIA, NOW THAT WE HAVE A THREE MONTH OLD BABY, UM, THEY'RE NOW GONNA BE ALLOWED ONCE MY, UH, FATHER-IN-LAW RETIRES PRETTY SOON, INSTEAD OF COMING FOR A MONTH OR TWO AT A TIME, THEIR VISAS WILL ALLOW 'EM TO COME FOR UP TO SIX MONTHS AT A TIME. AND INSTEAD OF US ALL JAMMING INTO MY TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH HOUSE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING, SUPER GOOD TIME, UM, FOR THE, THE TWO MONTHS THAT THEY'RE HERE RIGHT NOW, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO STAY STILL WITH US AND BE REALLY INVOLVED WITH GRANDSON, BUT NOT ALL OF US BE ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE IN HIS NURSERY. HE WON'T REALLY GET HIS NURSERY UNTIL GRANDPARENTS LEAVE. UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE FINALLY WERE LIKE, WE CAN STILL ACCOMPLISH ALL OF OUR GOALS WITH ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. LET'S JUST DO THAT. THE BUILDER CAN ACTUALLY WARRANTY IT WITH EASE BECAUSE IT'S JUST A SLAB FOUNDATION THEY'RE GONNA PUT IN VERSUS THE CAN OF WORMS THAT I FELT LIKE WE WERE GONNA OPEN UP, UM, IF WE STARTED MESSING WITH OUR OLD HOUSE. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S HELPFUL FOR ME WITHIN MY FIVE MINUTES TO WALK THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION. IF YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN IT, I CAN JUST ANSWER QUESTIONS. WE'D LOVE TO HEAR WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY AND FRANKLY, FIVE MINUTES IF YOU'RE GONNA WALK US THROUGH IT. DON'T, DON'T. OKAY, PERFECT. SO, YOU KNOW THE RESTRICTION, THAT'S SLIDE TWO. UM, I'M NOT SURE WHO CAN DO IT FOR THANK YOU. UM, THE 200 FOOT RADIUS ON THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT JUST TO GET AHEAD OF THIS, THE THREE LETTERS OF OPPOSITION ARE OUR DIRECT NEIGHBORS, UM, RIGHT AND LEFT. AND THEY ARE ALL IN 3000 SQUARE FOOT OR LARGER HOMES WITH, UH, DETACHED OR ATTACHED GARAGES ABOUT 500 SQUARE FEET AND ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE. SO I DON'T THINK THAT US BUILDING AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OF 505 SQUARE FEET LIKE WE'RE ALLOTTED OR 640 SQUARE FEET, IF THE VARIANCE IS GRANTED FOR THE ADDITIONAL 135 SQUARE FEET, THAT'S LIKE A, LET'S CALL, LET'S CALL IT A 10 BY 10 BOX OF EXTRA SPACE. UM, WE ARE STILL GOING TO BE DRASTICALLY SMALLER FROM A FOOTPRINT PERSPECTIVE THEN THE THREE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE OPPOSING, AND I'M NOT REALLY [00:50:01] SURE WHAT THEIR PROBLEM IS WITH THIS . SO, UM, THEY CAN DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE SAID THEIR PIECE AND I RESPECT THAT, BUT EVERYONE ELSE SEEMED TO THINK IT WAS LIKE A NON-STARTER. EVEN PEOPLE WHO SAID LIKE, OH YEAH, WE'LL SEND IN A LETTER OF, UM, SUPPORT. ONLY ONE ACTUALLY DID. I THINK CAMBRIA NOTED THAT THAT GOT ADDED LATE TO THE PACKET BECAUSE I THINK EVERYONE WAS LIKE, THIS IS SUCH A NON-ISSUE. WHAT'S, AND THEN THEY GOT LAZY ON THE WEEKEND AND DIDN'T SEND IN THEIR LETTERS FOR ME. SO, UM, TO CONTINUE ONTO THE CONSIDERATIONS PAGE, I DON'T THINK THE ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOT IS CONTRARY TO PUBLIC INTEREST. LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE A SMALLER HOUSE IN COMPARISON TO MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS. SO THE ONE QUARTER ALLOTMENT SINCE IT'S SORT OF A MOVING TARGET, UM, WOULD BE IF I HAD A LARGER HOUSE AND I WANTED A 640 SQUARE FOOT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, I DON'T THINK I'D BE HERE TODAY IS MY UNDERSTANDING. UM, WE HAVE A REALLY LARGE LOT, LIKE ALMOST A QUARTER ACRE. AND SO WITHOUT HAVING A GARAGE, A CARPORT, ANYTHING, WE'RE SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERDEVELOPED FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS OUR, OUR ALLOWANCE TO DEVELOP ON THE LOT. AND THEN STRUCTURALLY AND FINANCIALLY IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO BUILD DETACHED FOR US, FOR OUR FAMILY AND TO REMAIN FINANCIALLY CAUTIOUS, UM, WHICH IS KIND OF HOW WE, WE LIVE OUR LIVES. SO, UM, I DID MAKE THE MAPS THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE NEXT PAGES AND YOU CAN SEE HOW MANY OTHER NEIGHBORS HAVE A SECONDARY STRUCTURE, WHETHER THAT'S A GARAGE, UM, A BACK HOUSE, ET CETERA. AND, UM, I, I HOPE, I THINK YOU HEARD MY COMMENT THE MORNING. THANKS FOR THIS. YES, I THINK I, I'D ACTUALLY LOVE TO KNOW HOW YOU DID IT. YEAH. BECAUSE I'D LIKE OTHER PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS. YEAH. UM, YOU CAN MAKE IT ON GOOGLE MAPS. OKAY. YEAH, IT'S REALLY EASY. UM, WHEN WE GET TO THE MAPS, I DIDN'T REALLY DOCUMENT THIS IN FULL, BUT BELMONT AVENUE IS ONE BLOCK AWAY FROM US AND FOR SOME REASON THEIR LAW, THEIR RULES, LAWS, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, ARE DIFFERENT AND THEY'RE AUTOMATICALLY ALLOWED A 700 SQUARE FOOT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND I THINK A KITCHEN, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T OPTED TO DO BECAUSE AGAIN, UM, IT SEEMED LIKE ANOTHER HURDLE TO JUMP THROUGH AND WE JUST WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS A LITTLE EASIER. UM, SO FOR THE MAPS, UM, THE FIRST MAP, IF LATER YOU WANT TO GO INTO IT JUST FOR ANY OF YOUR OWN ENTERTAINMENT, THERE'S AN INTERACTIVE LINK. YOU CAN CLICK ON IT AND GO INTO GOOGLE MAPS AND SEE WHERE ALL THIS LIVES. UM, BUT I THINK 66 PER PERCENT OF THE HOMES, TWO THIRDS OF THE HOMES ON OUR SIDE OF THE BLOCK ALREADY HAVE FOR THE MOST PART A DETACHED STRUCTURE, UM, PREDOMINANTLY GARAGES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. I'LL POINT OUT ONE BUILDING THAT HAS, I THINK IT'S A, UM, 1,295 SQUARE FOOT DETACHED GARAGE WITH AN ADDITIONAL 726 GUEST QUARTERS ABOVE IT. SO AGAIN, IN COMPARISON, I THINK OUR UM, 640 SQUARE FOOT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS NOT, UM, SETTING A NEW PRECEDENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR OUT OF STEP, IF ANYTHING, WE'RE BEING MUCH MORE, UH, UH, CONSERVATIVE WITH OUR ASS. SO THE OTHER THING TO COUNTER IS THAT I DON'T FEEL LIKE WHEN A NEW BUILD COMES IN THAT'S 5,000 SQUARE FEET, I MEAN, YES, THERE'S A, A PERMIT SIGN POSTED, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE THE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, ALL START SENDING IN LETTERS OF OBJECTION OR SHOWING UP. UM, SO WE'RE SORT OF EXPOSED TO THIS COMMITTEE RESPONSE. UM, AND I THINK AGAIN, IT'S REALLY TIED TO THAT ONE QUARTER RULE BEING A MOVING TARGET. SO THESE LAST SLIDES ARE JUST THAT ALL OF OUR ALTERNATIVES ARE PRETTY UNAPPEALING. WE, UM, ARE IN, WE ARE ACTUALLY THE LONGEST RESIDENTS OUT OF THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE OPPOSITION LETTERS AND MYSELF, I'VE BEEN IN THE HOUSE SINCE 2013 AND IF I WERE TO GO BUY IN OUR SAME NEIGHBORHOOD NOW, I WOULD BE SPENDING, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS MORE TO TRY TO GET THE EXTRA SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT I WILL GET BY JUST ADDING THIS 640 TO OUR, UM, 1850 THAT WE HAVE IN THE FRONT HOUSE. AND THAT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING I REALLY, UH, THINK IS WISE WITH THE NEW BABY AND EVERYTHING. SO, UM, I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH SPECIFIC HOMES THAT ARE FEATURED IN HERE BUT DIDN'T WANNA BELABOR THE POINT AND HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT WHY AGAIN, WE CHOSE THIS ROUTE FOR OUR FAMILY QUESTIONS. MR. SLA, VICE CHAIR AG, I HAVE A, A COUPLE THANK YOU MS. HALL FOR THAT PRESENTATION. CONGRATS ON THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. TO GIVE YOU THE RELIEF [00:55:01] THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING, WE'VE GOT TO SAY YES TO THREE DIFFERENT THINGS. IT'S NOT CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST, UM, WHICH IS A LOT OF WHAT THIS PRESENTATION WAS. UM, AND THEN HERE FROM THE OTHER SIDE, UH, NOT GRANTED A RELIEVE, A SELF-CREATED OR PERSONAL HARDSHIP AND THE HOUSE WAS EXISTING THERE. I'M IMAGINING YOU, UH, SINCE YOU MOVED IN IN 2013, YOU WEREN'T THE ONE WHO BUILT IT 105 YEARS AGO. UM, AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS NECESSARY TO PERMIT DEVELOPMENT OF A SPECIFIC PARCEL OF THE LAND DIFFER FROM OTHER PARCEL OF LAND BY BEING OF SUCH A RESTRICTED AREA SHAPE OR SLOPE. AND I THINK YOU WERE HINTING AT THIS WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT VARIOUS CONTRACTORS EXPLAINING TO YOU THAT HEY, WITH THE PAN BEAM AND THE FOUNDATION, YOU CAN'T ESSENTIALLY BUILD UP OR ADD ON TO THE BACK OR DO SOMETHING ELSE WITHOUT CAUSING A BUNCH OF OTHER CONCERNS. CAN YOU GO INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND HELP US UNDERSTAND THAT SO THAT WE CAN CONTEMPLATE THAT AS WE TRY TO POSSIBLY GET TO THAT AS WELL? SURE. UM, WE STARTED, I MEAN WE HAD BEEN BIDDING PEOPLE OUT WELL BEFORE 2023, BUT THEN SORT OF WRITING ON THE WALL ABOUT THE EXPENSE THAT EITHER ADDING ON OR UP OR OUT WAS GONNA CAUSE. UM, SO WE CONTRACTED THE ARCHITECT THAT DID THESE PLANS IN I THINK MAY OF 2023. PRIOR TO THAT, SOME OF THE QUOTES WE WERE GETTING WERE THINGS LIKE INSTEAD OF JUST, LET'S SAY YOU NEED NEW SHINGLES, LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE ALL THE SHINGLES OFF YOUR ROOF AND COMPLETELY REBUILD ALL THE BONES I GUESS, UM, YOU WOULD CALL IT, OF THE ROOF TO THE TUNE OF LIKE $45,000 FOR A HOME THAT AGAIN IS AT 1800 SQUARE FEET. UM, JUST NUMBERS THAT I WAS UM, NOT PREPARED FOR BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I'M ASKING MY MOM LIKE, WHAT DOES A ROOF NORMALLY COST? AND IT WAS MUCH LESS THAN WHAT THE QUOTES WERE WE WERE GETTING. SO IT STARTED TO BECOME THAT EVERY SINGLE THING WAS GOING TO NEED TO BASICALLY BE REBUILT. SO IF WE STARTED PEELING AWAY AT THE ONION, THEN THEY WERE GONNA NEED TO COME IN AND LIKE RIP UP ALL THE FLOOR, WHICH ONE WE'VE ALREADY REDONE. SO I THINK THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF THE CATCH 22 HERE. BUT BECAUSE WE MOVED IN TO A NOT SO GREAT HOUSE AND THEN HAVE TAKEN CARE OF IT AND KEPT IT AND GOTTEN IT MORE LIKE UP TO SNUFF WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ALL THIS WORK AND MONEY THAT WE'VE ALREADY PUT IN WAS GONNA HAVE TO BE LIKE BACKPEDALED BECAUSE THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO COME IN AND TAKE UP THE FLOOR. WELL NOW THAT IT'S FLOOR THAT'S CONSISTENT THROUGH THE WHOLE HOUSE. AND SINCE WE OPTED NOT TO DO HARDWOOD BACK THEN BECAUSE WE HAVE DOGS AND THEY'RE ALWAYS LIKE SCRATCHING IT UP, THEY COULDN'T JUST TIE IN TO HARDWOODS. LIKE WE WERE BASICALLY GONNA HAVE TO REDO ALL THE FLOOR. AND THEN THEY WERE LIKE, AND WHEN YOU TAKE IT OFF YOU'LL START TO NOTICE THAT LIKE THAT FLOOR JOIST OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS GONNA BE ROTTEN. SO WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST COMPLETELY TAKE OFF THE FLOORING, REDO ALL THE FOUNDATION, REDO ALL THE FLOOR JOIST, ALL THE CEILING JOIST. AND I WAS LIKE, SO WE'RE JUST BUILDING A HOUSE. IS THAT WHAT'S GONNA WIND UP HAPPENING? ? AND WE GOT INTO THE DISCUSSION OF LIKE A CONTINGENCY FUND WITH ONE CONTRACTOR AND I THINK RULE OF THUMB MIGHT BE THAT'S LIKE FIVE OR 10% ON A NEW BUILD. THEY WERE ADVISING US TO GO TO JUST BUDGET FAR BEYOND THAT BECAUSE WITH THE OLDER HOME THEY WERE LIKE, WE WILL HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE'RE GONNA FIND BEHIND ALL YOUR WALLS. WHICH HAS BEEN OUR EXPERIENCE WHEN WE'VE DONE JUST LIKE ELECTRICAL WORK OR ANYTHING ELSE. UM, BUT I THINK THE , THE ADDITION WAS JUST WHERE I HAD TO DRAW THE LINE OF I LOVE THIS HOUSE BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO KEEP FRANKENSTEINING IT. THANK YOU. THANKS. OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. MILL? MS. HALL, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF, UH, ISSUES OR POINTS FROM OPPOSITION. UM, ONE OF 'EM IS THAT THE NEIGHBOR MENTIONED THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRIVACY IMPACT. HOW DO YOU THINK THIS WOULD IMPACT YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PRIVACY IF IT WERE BUILT? I THINK THIS WOULD IMPACT OUR NEIGHBOR PRIVACY 0%. UM, , THEY ALL LIVE IN TWO STORY HOMES AND SO IF ANYONE HAS A LACK OF PRIVACY FROM THEIR NEIGHBORS LOOKING DOWN INTO THEIR YARD, I THINK THAT WOULD BE US. I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING I'D EVER CONTEMPLATED. UM, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE LACK OF PRIVACY. IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT BOTHERED ME UNTIL I SAW HERE IN THIS OPPOSITION LETTER AND WAS LIKE, OH REALLY? SO, UM, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT A ONE STORY STRUCTURE THAT'S SHORTER THAN OUR CURRENT MAIN HOUSE, WHICH IS PURE AND BEAM. SO IT'S LIKE A LITTLE HIGHER BY THREE [01:00:01] OR FOUR FEET. UM, I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD INTERFERE WITH ANYTHING. AND THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE IN THE BACK HOUSE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE MAIN HOUSE. SO FROM A HEADCOUNT PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T THINK THE PRIVACY WOULD BE IMPACTED. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER CONCERN THAT POPPED UP A COUPLE TIMES WAS OBVIOUSLY POTENTIAL USE OF, UH, AS A RENTAL PROPERTY. YEAH. SO I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THE DALLAS RULES ARE FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS BECAUSE EVEN WHEN NORA WAS HELPING KIND OF EDUCATE US THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IT'S REALLY CONFUSING. I THINK Y'ALL HIT ON, IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT DALLAS KNOWS AT THIS POINT. YEAH, I THINK Y'ALL HIT ON THAT THIS MORNING WHEN YOU'RE LIKE, IS THERE A DEED RESTRICTION? THERE'S NOT A DEED RESTRICTION. LIKE AT SOME POINT I WAS LIKE, I DON'T NEED TO KNOW 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO RENT THIS. WE BOTH ALSO WORK FROM HOME. I DON'T THINK I'VE HIT ON THAT FUN POINT YET. SO, UM, RIGHT NOW I'M STILL ON LEAVE, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE ONLY THING THAT'S SAVING US. MY HUSBAND HAS STARTED BACK TO WORK, SO NOW HE'S IN THE OFFICE IN THE MAIN HOUSE. UM, WHILE AGAIN, WE'RE ALL IN THERE BABY CRYING, MOM'S COOKING, YOU KNOW, OUR THREE HOT INDIAN MEALS A DAY, AND IT WOULD BE NICE EVEN WHEN THEY'RE NOT HERE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS BACK SPACE AS OUR SECONDARY OFFICE SPACE. AND SO THAT'S ALSO WHERE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT EXTRA SQUARE FOOTAGE CAME FROM BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, I NEED TO BE ABLE TO FIT A COUCH AND A DESK INTO THE LIVING SPACE. AND, UM, SO I DON'T, I MEAN, I CAN TELL EVERYONE, WHICH I HAVE ALL THE NEIGHBORS, LIKE THAT IS NOT OUR INTENTION. I AM REALLY STRESSED OUT ALREADY WITH MY LIFE. I DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTIONS TO RUN A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IN MY BACKYARD WITH MY NEW BABY. HAVING TO LIKE WATCH RANDOM STRANGERS COME AND GO WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE SAFE FOR HIM. UM, BUT APPARENTLY NO ONE BELIEVED ME, AT LEAST NOT THE THREE PEOPLE WHO SENT THE OPPOSITION LETTERS. SO. AND LAST, UM, CAN YOU THINK OF A WAY THAT THIS WOULD POSSIBLY DIMINISH YOUR PROPERTY VALUE OR YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY VALUE? NO, I THINK THAT WE HAVE, UM, KEPT UP OUR HOME AND HONESTLY BEEN LIKE A TRAILBLAZER ON THE LIKE, LET'S KEEP UP OUR OLD HOUSE. LIKE LET'S MAKE IT LOOK NICER. LET'S REFINE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. BECAUSE WHEN I BOUGHT THEY HADN'T REDONE LOWER GREENVILLE YET. TRADER JOE'S WASN'T THERE. I THINK IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE EVERYONE GOT ALL THEIR LIQUOR LICENSES PULLED. UM, SO IF ANYTHING, I THINK WE'VE BEEN ADDING TO THE PROPERTY VALUE AND ADDING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL LIKE WE ARE CURRENTLY THE ONES WHO REALLY ARE TRULY MAKING IT A FAMILY ORIENTED PLACE LIKE THAT IS WHY WE ARE TRYING TO STAY HERE AND NOT GET, I MEAN, GENTRIFIED OUT. UM, AND ALSO I THINK THERE'S SOME LACK OF JUST CULTURAL LITERACY HERE THAT IT WOULD BE REALLY STRANGE TO MY IN-LAWS IF I SAID, HEY, YOU HAVE TO GO LIVE IN ANOTHER HOUSE, LIKE EVEN SEVERAL BLOCKS AWAY. EVEN IF THAT WAS FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE FOR US TO BUY THEM ANOTHER HOUSE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY GET TO BE HERE FOR, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THEY LIVE 15 MORE YEARS. PARDON? MOM DEATH. UM, THAT'S 15 SUMMERS OR 15 HOLIDAYS THAT THEY'RE GETTING TO BE HERE. AND BECAUSE MY HUSBAND GREW UP IN A MULTI-GENERATIONAL HOME IN INDIA WITH THEM, IT IS VERY MUCH IN THEIR MINDSET THAT THEY NEED TO BE IN THE HOUSE WITH US. SO WHEN WE LOOKED FOR HOUSES THIS SUMMER AND EVERYTHING WAS A MILLION PLUS DOLLARS, I WAS LIKE, OH, I GUESS THAT REALLY CONFUSING PROCESS THAT WE STARTED IN MAY OF 2023, THAT I HAVE THESE PLANS JUST SITTING THERE BECAUSE I GOT OVERWHELMED AND CONFUSED. WE MIGHT NEED TO PICK THAT UP BECAUSE IT'S NOT COST EFFECTIVE TO BUY A SECOND HOME FOR THEM OR A BIGGER HOUSE FOR ALL OF US. LET'S JUST DO THIS ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND THEN WE CAN SORT OF STILL FEEL LIKE WE'RE ALL TOGETHER BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HIS LIFE WAS GROWING UP AND THE EXPECTATION. UM, I I DON'T KNOW THAT THE NEIGHBORS CAN FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT OR IT, THEY'RE JUST NOT CONSIDERING THIS DYNAMIC. THANK YOU. UM, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THIS BOARD DOES NOT MAKE OUR DECISION DOES NOT AT ALL REFLECT OUR OPINION ON THE LIFESPAN OF YOUR IN-LAW. . THANK YOU. I'M SURE THEY APPRECIATE THAT. WHATEVER THE HECK WE DO. YES. , THAT'S NOT BEFORE US. UM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, PART OF IT'S TO SAY WE WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS ON PROPERTY, NOT PEOPLE. THESE YES. DECISIONS LAST BEYOND PEOPLE SALES AND AS YOU YES, EXACTLY. GRAND PLANS FOR YOUR IN-LAWS. APPARENTLY IT'S, UM, , UM, ONE OF OUR, IS THERE A SLOPE OF THE PROPERTY? UM, THE PROPERTY [01:05:01] DOES, I GUESS FOR, I THINK ALL THE HOUSES ON OUR STREET KIND OF SLOPE FOR DRAINAGE AND RUNOFF PURPOSES. SO IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT MY HOUSE FROM THE STREET, THE FRONT RIGHT CORNER IS HIGHER AND EVERYTHING GOES DOWN TOWARDS THE ALLEY. UM, WE'VE HAD TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THAT WITH OUR FOUNDATION COMPANY FOR RUNOFF THAT'S GOING UNDER THE HOUSE. UH, IS THAT, UH, IS THAT THE REFERENCE? JUST ASK. OKAY. THAT'S SOMETHING ON A, WE'RE ALLOWED TO CONSIDER. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO CONCLUDE IS THAT THIS IS NECESSARY TO PERMIT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SPECIFIC PARCEL OF LAND. 'CAUSE IT DIFFERS BY RESTRICTIVE AREA SHAPED SLOPE THAT CAN'T BE DEVELOPED COMMENSURATE WITH DEVELOPMENT UPON OTHER PARCELS OF LAND. THE SAME SONY, UM, UM, CAN YOU FLIP, DO YOU STILL HAVE YOUR PRESENTATION UP? UM, OR CAN YOU PUT IT BACK UP ONCE YOU'RE UP? WOULD YOU FLIP TO YOUR, UH, YOUR INTERACTIVE PAGE WHERE YOU CAN SHOW, UH, HOMES WITH, UH, ACCESSORY YEAH. STRUCTURE. UM, SO WE CAN START HERE. UM, THIS IS THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES ALL PLOTTED TOGETHER. UM, WE'LL DIG INTO EACH COLOR SET ON THAT. WHERE'S THE LEGEND? UH, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. WHOEVER'S DRIVING IN THE UK AREA, UM, SO THESE ARE JUST SECONDARY STRUCTURES. MM-HMM . THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY ACCESSORY, NOT NECESSARILY GARAGE, JUST IF SOMEONE HAS A FRONT BUILDING AND A BACK BUILDING OF ANY SORT. THAT'S WHAT I PLOTTED HERE. MM-HMM . IF WE GO FORWARD TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, THESE ARE GARAGES AND BACK HOUSES, I THINK MORE AT LARGE TO SHOW THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR STREET IS NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE WHOLE IN STREETS NEIGHBORHOOD. IF YOU MOVE FORWARD ONE MORE. SO I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY WHAT WE CAN DIG INTO A LITTLE BIT. THESE ARE HOUSES. UH, THIS IS A HOUSE ON OUR STREET ON THE CORNER OF OUR EXACT BLOCK. IT IS A NEWER BUILD HOME IN THE FRONT. AND BECAUSE I, I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY WERE ALLOWED TO BUILD SOMETHING EITHER ONE QUARTER OF THE SIZE OF THEIR MAIN HOME. THEY HAVE, I, I THINK THEY'RE, I KIND OF ADDED IT. 30, 6500 SQUARE BED HOUSE, RIGHT? IT'S A 39 50 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE AND THE BACK HOUSE IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. LIKE, THAT'S THEIR GARAGE. I FOUND THAT MATH WORK, I'M SORRY, 39 50 AND YOU HAVE A 1,605 SQUARE FOOT BACKPACK. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT MATH WENT. I, UM, SO I THINK WHEN I FINALLY GOT INTO DADI THINK I WAS WORKING ON THESE SLIDES ONE NIGHT WHEN DCA WAS DOWN FOR MAINTENANCE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M UP AT TWO O'CLOCK FEEDING THE BABY. UM, AND ONCE I GOT INTO DCA TO GET MORE DETAIL, THE DETACHED GARAGE IS 1295 SQUARE FEET, THE DETACHED QUARTERS. SO UPSTAIRS THERE IS 7 26, SO A 4,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE WITH A 7 26 GUEST QUARTERS AND A ALMOST 1300 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE BELOW IT. COULD SOMEBODY ON, ON STAFF HELP ME GET APPLES TO APPLES? ARE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT THINGS HERE? LIKE IF, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO HAS A GARAGE AND THEN A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE, UH, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S COMMENSURATE AND WHAT, WHAT EXISTS UP AND DOWN THE STREET. ARE THESE THE SAME THINGS OR, 'CAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, THESE NUMBERS DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE. AND WHAT SHE SAID, MAY, MAY, IF I, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND FULLY IF, IF A GARAGE IS TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN SOMETHING ELSE. UH, I'M JUST, JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT'S APPLES, WHAT'S ON. IT WOULD ALSO BE NICE FOR ME TO MORE FULLY UNDERSTAND, 'CAUSE I STILL AT THIS POINT DON'T UNDERSTAND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE VERSUS GARAGE VERSUS A DU VERSUS, SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE PICTURE THAT SAYS 5 9 4 7 RICHARD AVENUE, UH, STAFF WILL HAVE TO DO THE RESEARCH, BUT ASSUMING THAT THAT COULD HAVE BEEN PERMITTED LEGALLY PRIOR TO THE CODE CHANGING, WERE IT LIMITED DUE TO 25%? [01:10:01] UH, THE ASSESSOR STRUCTURE LIMITED TO 25%. SO IF THAT WAS DONE PRIOR TO THAT, THAT'S A LEGAL NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE. UH, SO WHEN DID THAT CODE CHANGE? UH, 2009. 2010. SO SOMEWHAT RECENTLY. YEAH. SO, UM, SOMEWHERE ALONG IN THERE. SO YOU COULD HAVE A LEGAL NON NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE, UM, AND AS LONG THEY COULD REMODEL THE NON-CONFORMING, UM, IT, IT, IT RETAINS ITS RIGHTS. UM, BUT IF THEY WAS TO TEAR IT DOWN, THEY COULDN'T REBUILD IT TO TODAY TO THAT SIZE. UH, SO, UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO, MANY STAFF WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND SIT DOWN WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, AND GO THROUGH EACH AND EVERY ONE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT WAS BUILT, WHEN IT WAS NOT BUILT. AND, AND AGAIN, THAT'S A LOT TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH IN ORDER THAT'S, THAT'S FOR THIS, THIS HEARING. SHE CAN PROBABLY DO THAT THROUGH DA AND FRANKLY FROM KNOWING THE NEIGHBOR. SO IF YOU GO BACK THEN TO THAT OVER ALL, SO I BELIEVE YOU SAID EVERY OTHER HOUSE ON YOUR STREET HAS BEEN YEAH. BUILT SINCE 13. SO THE ORANGE DOT SLIDE THAT'S JUST, UH, ORANGE DOTS. YELLOW. YELLOW. SORRY. YEAH. . AM I? NO. OKAY. YEAH. UM, I KNOW THAT TWO OF THE THREE, LIKE NEIGHBORS FOR INSTANCE, THAT WROTE LETTERS OF OPPOSITION, THEY ARE NEWER BUILD HOMES WITHIN THE LAST 20 YEARS COMPARED TO OUR HOMES THAT ARE A HUNDRED YEARS OLD. I THINK THE PERSON WHO WROTE A LETTER OF SUPPORT IS ALSO IN A HUNDRED PLUS YEAR OLD HOME THAT IS SIMILAR IN SIZE TO MINE. AND I THINK THAT THAT SEEMS TO BE A THREAD I WAS NOTICING AS I WENT AROUND TO TALK TO NEIGHBORS IS THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE OLD HOMES THAT STILL ARE 1600 TO 2000 SQUARE FEET WERE LIKE, WAIT, WHAT? I CAN ONLY BUILD LIKE 500 SQUARE FEET JUST FOR SIMPLICITY. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, NEIGHBOR NEXT TO ME THAT ALREADY HAS THREE, FOUR, 5,000 CAN BUILD ONE QUARTER ALSO. UM, THAT SEEMED TO BE A, LIKE A LITTLE EDUCATIONAL MOMENT I WAS GETTING TO SHARE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND SO IT SEEMED TO BE SORT OF SPLITTING DOWN THE MIDDLE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE SAME BOAT WERE LIKE, OF COURSE YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A SLIGHTLY BIGGER ONE. IT'S SO MUCH SMALLER THAN THE 59, 47 RICHMOND'S OF OUR STREET. UM, BUT THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF IT. THEY, THIS, SO THIS IS 59, 47 RICHMOND. WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT THIS. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT, THIS IS THE OPPOSITE CORNER OF OUR SAME BLOCK. UM, THIS HOUSE HAS A BACK CARPORT, BUT BEHIND THAT CARPORT, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE ON THE, LIKE, UH, FRONT LEFT OF THIS IMAGE IS A GUEST QUARTERS INSIDE OF THERE. UM, TO BREAK IT DOWN, I THINK IT'S GENERALLY NETS OUT TO ABOUT 1600. BUT, UM, THE OUTBUILDING ITSELF IS WHAT THEY CALL IT ON DA AND OUTBUILDING, BUT I DEFINITELY KNOW THEY'RE JUST FROM SEEING THEM. THERE'S PEOPLE LIKE STAYING BACK THERE OR THEY'RE USING IT FOR AN OFFICE OR SOMETHING. IT'S 651. SO AGAIN, FROM A, I GUESS PRECEDENT OR WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T THINK THAT WE WOULD BE AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WE'RE ASKING FOR WITH THE VARIANCE, UM, OUTSIDE OF A NORM. AND THIS, THIS LITTLE BACKHOUSE STRUCTURE HAS DEFINITELY BEEN BUILT SINCE I LIVED IN THE HOUSE. LIKE NOT TO, YOU KNOW, BE LIKE THAT OLD LADY FROM LEAVE IT TO BEAVER. BUT I FEEL LIKE I'M ON WALKS WITH THE DOGS EVERY DAY. I SEE WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING. AND SO, UM, WAS IT BUILT WITH A PERMIT OR WITHOUT A PERMIT? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT. REPORT 'EM TO 3 1 1 AND FIND OUT, OH, YOU WANT, YOU WANT ME TO MAKE MORE FRIENDS THAN I'VE ALREADY MADE BY GETTING MY LETTERS OF EPI COMPOSITION , I'LL BE YOUR BULLDOG . THAT'S FINE. SO, UM, WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT HOUSE IF WE WANNA JUST SEE MORE EXAMPLES OF THIS. THIS IS THE, THE BLOCK RIGHT BEHIND US THAT FELL WITHIN MY 200 FOOT RADIUS. IT ALSO HAS A TWO STORY GARAGE WITH A, A GUEST QUARTERS OVER IT THAT'S ABOUT 900 SQUARE FEET FROM WHAT I CAN ESTIMATE, UM, FOR THAT GARAGE APARTMENT. I DON'T THINK THAT THE GARAGE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS INCLUDED IN, IN THAT ASSESSMENT. UM, THIS IS FURTHER DOWN RICHMOND. IT'S NOT WITHIN THE 200 SQUARE FEET, BUT AGAIN, UM, JU EVEN THE GARAGE GARAGE APARTMENT, I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW THEY'RE TREATING THIS 675. SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIND AN EXAMPLE THAT WAS, AGAIN, COMMI COMMENSURATE WITH OUR 640 THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. WHICH AGAIN, BACK TO LIKE WHY WE'RE HERE, THAT VARIANCE IS I THINK SEVEN OR 8% OVER OUR ALLOWED 505 SQUARE FEET. [01:15:01] WHICH IF I'D ADDED ONTO THE HOUSE, THEN I GUESS I WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITHOUT HAVING TO APPLY FOR A VARIANCE. BUT I DIDN'T, UM, DID THAT HELP ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR? ABOUT SPECIFIC EXAMPLES ON OUR STREET? IT STARTED TO, YEAH. YEAH, IT WENT. SO THANK YOU. UH, ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. SLATE? UM, THANK YOU DR. MR. HALL. AM I RIGHT THAT ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU HEARD WAS IF YOU WANTED TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF YOUR HOUSE BIG ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THE SPECIFIC ACCESSORY UNIT, YOU'D ESSENTIALLY HAVE TO REBUILD YOUR HOUSE? YEAH. OKAY. OR I THINK, UH, MORE OFTEN I WAS GONNA, YOU SHOULD JUST BULLDOZE YOUR HOUSE AND START OVER. AND SINCE WE'VE ALREADY PUT A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT INTO REMODELS, UM, THAT JUST DIDN'T, DIDN'T SEEM LIKE A GREAT IDEA TO ME. THANK YOU. THANK, OKAY. THANK YOU. ARE THERE OTHER SPEAKERS IN FAVOR? YES, SIR. I HAVE, UM, MR. JEFF CARR, YOU'VE BEEN SWORN IN, RIGHT? I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF NOTES. WE'RE WELL OVER TIME. SO IF YOU, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO BE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. OKAY. I HAD A BUNCH OF NOTES THAT I STARTED NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE, UH, JEFF CARR, 6 7 2 9 SANDRA DRIVE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. SO I HAD A BUNCH OF NOTES HERE TO KIND OF TOUCH ON 'CAUSE I THOUGHT I WOULD BE GOING FIRST AND, UH, I I'VE JUST BEEN SLASHING THEM AS WE GO. 'CAUSE I THINK SHE DID REALLY GOOD WITH HER PRESENTATION. UM, I CAN ACTUALLY TRY TO CLARIFY THE GARAGE THING, WHICH, UM, ON SOME OF THESE, I THINK THE WAY THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS THE RULES WRITTEN IS THAT A GARAGE DOES NOT COUNT AGAINST YOUR 25%, UM, OF YOUR FOOTAGE. SO TECHNICALLY SHE, SHE COULD HAVE A 550 SQUARE FOOT TWO CAR GARAGE AND A 500 SQUARE FOOT, UH, ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. MR. THOMPSON CONFIRMS THAT PARKING DOES NOT COUNT. YES. SO I GUESS, I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT SHE COULD, SHE COULD HAVE A GARAGE AND THIS STRUCTURE AND BE WELL BEYOND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT SHE'S REQUESTING. AND I THINK THAT'S HOW SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE WORKING AROUND IT. UM, AND THEN YOU GET INTO THE QUESTION OF WHAT IS THE GARAGE? AND RIGHT NOW A GARAGE IS ANYTHING YOU CAN PARK TWO CARS IN. SO, UM, IT HAS A WIDE ENOUGH OPENING. TRUST ME, I'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH A LOT OF CITY WORKERS ON THAT. SO THERE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON. BUT, UH, BASICALLY WHAT I WANTED TO GET AT, I WOULD ACTUALLY BE HELPING HER BUILD THIS, AND I WOULD LOVE HER TO BULLDOZER HOUSE AND LET ME REBUILD A BRAND NEW ONE. UH, BUT THAT'S NOT THE BEST USE OF THE DOLLAR FOR HER. UM, IF WE ATTACHED IT TO THE HOUSE, UM, I DID READ SOME THINGS IN THE CODE THAT IT, IF IT WERE TO COST, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN 50% OF WHAT HER HOUSE IS APPRAISED FOR TO ADD ON, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE A HARDSHIP. UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK FOR HER TO ADD ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT SHE WOULD NEED, WE WOULD BE, YOU'RE TALKING, UH, SOLIDLY OVER 150 K MORE THAN I CAN BUILD A LITTLE BACK HOUSE FOR IT HAS A CLEAN WARRANTY. UM, IT'S A NEW STRUCTURE. THERE'S NO, I MEAN, HER HOUSE, YOU CAN WALK UNDERNEATH. THERE'S CRACKS, PURE AND BEAM. IT'S NOT LEVEL LIKE, I DON'T THINK TOO MANY CONTRACTORS WOULD WANT TO ADD TO THAT HOUSE. UM, AND IF THEY DID, IT WOULD BE AT AN ASTRONOMICAL NUMBER TO COVER YOURSELF. SO, UM, TOUCHING ON THAT AND THEN JUST SOME OF THE VARIANCES OR SOME OF THE, THE OPPOSITION LETTERS. UM, THERE'S NO SCENARIO THAT THEY'RE USING THIS FOR A RENTAL. UM, I'VE KIND OF GONE, YOU KNOW, BACK AND FORTH WITH PUNY ABOUT IT. HE HAS A, AN MBA IN BUSINESS, SO I THINK HE UNDERSTANDS THE ECONOMICS THAT, UH, THERE WOULD MAKE, IT WOULD MAKE NO SPEND SENSE FOR HIM TO SPEND $200,000 TO RENT A BACK HOUSE FOR A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS A NIGHT HERE AND THERE. I DON'T SEE ANY WORLD WHERE THAT MAKES SENSE. UM, BUT WHAT DOES MAKE SENSE IS FOR THEM TO BUILD SOMETHING DETACHED BECAUSE IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY AT A BETTER PRICE POINT THAN ATTACHING TO THEIR CURRENT HOUSE. QUESTION. SORRY, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR NAME. UM, MR. CARR. MR. CARR. SO IS IT YOUR TESTIMONY THAT, UM, ADDING ON TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE WOULD BE, UM, AN EXORBITANT COST THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE GREATER THAN 50% OF, UH, OF THE COST OF PROPERTY? IS THAT, IS THAT YOUR TESTIMONY? YES. THANK YOU. I WANNA BE CAREFUL THAT WE INTERPRET THAT CORRECTLY. [01:20:01] UM, MY UNDERSTANDING, WHICH DOESN'T MATTER NEARLY AS MUCH AS THE LAWYERS, UM, WAS THAT THAT EXCEPTION THAT CARVE OUT SORT OF EXISTS WHERE SOMEBODY WHO IS OUT OF COMPLIANCE WOULD'VE TO SPEND MONEY IN ORDER TO BRING INTO COMPLIANCE. OTHERWISE, WE'D BE TALKING ABOUT GIVING A VARIANCE ANYTIME, SAY, EXPANSION OR, OR WHATEVER REACHES MORE THAN X PERCENT OF THE EXISTING, UM, TAXABLE VALUE. BUT I I, YEAH. CAN WE GET, UM, COUNSEL TO CLARIFY THAT? SURE. SO IT SAYS THE, THE PROVISION SAYS THE FINANCIAL COST OF COMPLIANCE IS GREATER THAN 50% OF THE APPRAISED VALUE OF THE STRUCTURE AS SHOWN ON THE MOST RECENT APPRAISAL ROSE. UH, RECENT APPRAISAL ROLE CERTIFIED TO THE ASSESSOR FOR THE MUNICIPALITY UNDER TAX CODE SECTION 26.01. AND SO IT'S 20, IT'S GREATER THAN 50% OF THE COST OF COMPLIANCE, WHICH WOULD BE 50% TO COMPLY WITH THE 25% RULE IN THIS SITUATION. BUT DOES THAT MEAN CONSTRUCTIVE? WELL, YOU HEARD MY QUESTION. DOES, DOES THAT MEAN THAT ANY PROJECT THAT COSTS MORE THAN 50% OF THE TAXABLE VALUE QUALIFIES FOR VARIANCE? UH, IT, AGAIN, IT SAYS WE MAY, IT DOESN'T FORCE US TO, IT SAYS YOU MAY, AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY, IT JUST, UH, STEPS IN THE SHOE OF THAT SECOND ELEMENT. THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO MEET ELEMENTS ONE AND THREE. BUT YOU WOULD, BUT YOU WOULD INTERPRET IT AS MR. SINGTON WOULD. YES. OKAY. MR. SLATE. OH, MR. SINGTON, MR. MILLER. MR. CARR, IF YOU WERE TO BUILD THAT STRUCTURE, WOULD YOU BE, UM, HAVING TO EXCAVATE ANY, UH, VEGETATION SUCH AS A LARGE TREE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO. THEY WANNA KEEP THE TREE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE OTHER SPEAKERS? UH, YES. MR. VICE CHAIR? I HAVE, UH, MS. AND WE'RE STILL SPEAKERS. FOUR. MS. KAY MEYER? UM, SHE'S ONLINE. WOULD YOU PLEASE BE VISIBLE? MS. KAY? CAN YOU PLEASE PROVIDE VIDEO? THERE YOU GO. CAN YOU HEAR AND SEE ME? WE CAN, YES. WOULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? UM, PROBABLY NEED TO SWEAR IN. WELL, NOW WE LOST YOU. THERE YOU GO. SO BE S WO IN NAME. AND THEN PLEASE STATE YOUR ADDRESS, NAME AND ADDRESS. MS. WILLIAMS. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT? YES. OKAY. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. MY NAME'S KATE MEYER. I AM 59 31 RICHMOND AVENUE IN DALLAS, TEXAS. 7 5 2 0 6. YOU CAN PROCEED. YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES. OKAY. I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM AMY AND I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING. I WROTE A LETTER OF SUPPORT THAT I SUBMITTED. IF YOU'VE ALREADY READ IT, I'LL NOT READ IT TO YOU, BUT OTHERWISE I WOULD ABSOLUTELY GIVE YOU THE RUNDOWN. THERE'S A LETTER IN SUPPORT AND IT IS FROM YOU. IF YOU WANT TO SUMMARIZE IT OR IF YOU WANNA READ IT INTO THE RECORD, YOU CAN, BUT, BUT WE DO HAVE IT AND HAVE READ IT. OKAY. UM, BASICALLY, UM, LOTS OF THE ORIGINAL HOMES ON OUR BLOCK, INCLUDING MINE, INCLUDING AMY AND P'S HOUSE, ARE MODEST CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOMES THAT WERE BUILT, UM, ABOUT A HUNDRED ISH YEARS AGO. UM, IN RECENT YEARS, UM, LOTS OF THESE HOMES HAVE BEEN TORN DOWN AND REPLACED WITH VERY LARGE NEW BUILDS, UM, AT LIKE 4,000 TO 5,000 SQUARE FEET. UM, WHEN THOSE HOMES ARE BUILT, ARE WE, NEIGHBORS AREN'T ASKED, UH, WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE ANY OPPOSITIONS AGAINST, UM, WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO BUILD. UM, AND IF NOWADAYS THEY WERE TO WANT TO BUILD AN ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE ON THEIR PROPERTY AND THEY'D HAVE THE SAME RULE THAT AMY IS, UM, BEING MEASURED ON RIGHT NOW, THEN THEY'D AT EVE BE ABLE TO BUILD AT THE SIZE THAT SHE'S WANTING TO BUILD WITHOUT, UM, US EVER EVEN HEARING ABOUT THIS. RIGHT. SO I, I THINK IT'S AN OUTDATED RULE IN, IN, UM, [01:25:01] HOW THE BUILDS ARE NOWADAYS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SO I DO ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT, UM, AND HOPE THAT THE BOARD WILL DECIDE TO ALSO SUPPORT AND RULE IN AMY'S FAVOR HERE. THANK YOU. ARE THERE QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME. THANK YOU FOR, UM, LISTENING TO ME. THANK YOU. ARE THERE OTHER SPEAKERS? NO OTHER SPEAKERS, SIR, ARE THERE SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION OR NOT? NO SPEAKERS REGISTERED. UH, SO, OH, THERE IS A SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. IS THERE ANOTHER SPEAKER IN FAVOR? OKAY. DOES, UH, DOES HE NEED TO GIVE YOU A CARD, MARY? HE ALREADY, HE DID. HE ALREADY SIGNED THAT. SO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YEAH, HI EVERYONE. MY NAME IS PUNE MODI. I LIVE AT 59 30 RICHMOND AVENUE AND AMY HALL IS MY WIFE HERE THAT THE APPLICANT. UM, I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS A FEW POINTS THAT WE, UH, NEIGHBORS NEXT DOOR HAVE RAISED REGARDING THE OPPOSITION. UM, I THINK EVEN THE BOARD HAD ASKED ABOUT LIKE ADDING TO THE NEIGHBOR OF VALUE AND CHARACTER. WE HIRED A PRETTY WELL KNOWN ARCHITECT AND THE DALLAS AREA MARK PRESSER. UH, AND PART OF THE REASON WAS BECAUSE WE VISITED HIS HOUSE AND LOOKED AT HIS PROPERTY AND, YOU KNOW, SO WE THOUGHT THAT HIRING HIM AND HIM HAVING DESIGNING NEW PLANS WILL ADD, UH, NOT ONLY TO VALUE OF OUR PROPERTY, BUT ALSO TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS AGAIN SURROUNDED BY, UH, MODERN HOUSES, UH, AMONGST THESE A HUNDRED YEAR OLD HOMES. AND WE WERE TRYING TO BASICALLY BLEND SORT OF THE TWO, UH, ASPECTS OF IT WITHIN OUR HOUSING. SO THAT WILL KEEP US IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SECOND, UH, WAS LIKE THE PRIVACY AND IMPACT ON THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES AS I THINK MY WIFE STATED EARLIER, WE ARE THE SINGLE STORY HOME, SO SURROUNDED BY THE MULTI-STORY HOUSES AROUND IT. SO IF ANYBODY'S PRIVACY BEING IMPACTED, IT'S OURS BECAUSE THEY CAN ALL LOOK DOWN IN OUR BACKYARD AND OUR BACK, UH, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY THE BACK HOUSE OR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. WHEREAS THE FENCES ARE ABOUT EIGHT FEET HIGH. SO WE HAVE NO VISIBILITY INTO ANY OF THEIR, UH, BACKYARDS. AND IF ANYTHING, UM, THEY ALL HAVE POOL, SO THEY ALL HAVE LARGE GATHERINGS. UH, AND TO US IT'S, NO, IT'S NOT ANY DISSIMILAR TO THE HOUSE DIRECTLY BEHIND US, WHICH IS AN AIRBNB. SO THEY'RE ALL HAVING PARTIES AND LOUD GATHERINGS AND NOISE. SO IF ANYONE'S GETTING IMPACTED BY THE NOISE ORDINANCE AND WHATNOT, IT'S US. 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT IN OUR BATHTUB. UM, AND THEN LASTLY, I THINK THE RENTAL USAGE. I THINK WHILE THE BOARD MAY NOT CONSIDER THE, UH, THE YEARS THAT MY PARENTS HAVE REMAINING AND, AND I, AND I, AND I THINK IT'S JUST A WHILE, YOU MAY NOT TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING I WE'RE VERY SORRY. NO, BUT IT'S, IT'S A FACT. LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF PEOPLE IN INDIA, 75 YEARS IS MAYBE WHAT YOU WOULD GET. AND I HAVE A HISTORY IN OUR FAMILY, SO I HAVE TO TAKE THAT ACCOUNT IN MY DECISION MAKING. UH, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, UH, SO AT LEAST I, I'M SAYING THAT ALL I'M SAYING IS I HAD TO THINK, UH, ON THOSE LINES AND UH, YOU KNOW, HE'S THE FIRST GRANDCHILD FOR THEM. SO I WOULD LIKE FOR HIM TO ALSO EXPERIENCE, UH, MULTI-GENERATIONAL FAMILY AND WHERE GRANDPARENTS ARE HERE FOR LONGER PERIOD OF TIME AND THEY'RE COMFORTABLE, UH, LIVING WITH US. RIGHT? I THINK SO. I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. I'M SAYING THAT IS SOMETHING I AM TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION WHY WE WERE GOING WITH THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND NOT ADDING ONTO OUR HOUSE OR MOVING INTO A LARGER HOUSE. AND THEN LASTLY, UM, ANYBODY WITH, UH, SOME FINANCIAL ACUMEN WOULD BE ABLE TO DO A QUICK BACK OF THE NAPKIN MAP WHILE, WHILE SHORT TERM RENTALS WILL NOT BE A PROFITABLE, UH, VENTURE WHEN YOU ARE INVESTING, UH, THE SUMS THAT JEFF WAS QUOTING, AND THEN THE RETURN IS NOT LIKE YOU NOT EVEN BREAK EVEN IN THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS APPROXIMATELY. RIGHT. SO TO ME, THAT'S NOT AN INVESTMENT, UH, WHERE I'M MAKE LOOKING TO MAKE RETURNS. TO ME, IT'S AN INVESTMENT SO THAT I HAVE MY FAMILY, UH, AND IT ALLOWS ME TO SPACE THAT WE NEED. THANK YOU. I JUST, I JUST THINK THAT NOT YOU, YOU SHOULD CONSIDER YOUR, YOUR, YOUR PARENTS ARE GONNA LIVE LONG HEALTHY LIVES. HOW, HOW LONG HEALTHY LIVES . AND I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M LIKE TRYING TO DO BY HAVING THEM HERE AND HAVE A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WE'RE WE'RE GIVING IT FLAG. YEAH. ARE THERE [01:30:01] OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. NOW JUST TO BE CLEAR, ARE THERE OTHER SPEAKERS IN FAVOR? OKAY. NO OTHER SPEAKERS. SO DO, ARE THERE SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? NO SPEAKERS. RIGHT. OKAY. THE APPLICANT HAS A FEW MINUTES IF YOU CARE TO SUMMARIZE. I DON'T. DOES ANYONE HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION? MR. SLATE? VICE JNI? UH, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT APPEAL NUMBER BBA 2 4 5 DASH 0 6 4 ON APPLICATION OF AMY HALL RAN THE 135 SQUARE FOOT VARIANCE FOUR AREA RATIO REGULATIONS REQUESTED BY THIS APPLICANT. OUR EVALUATION OF THE PROPERTY AND TESTIMONY SHOWS THE PHYSICAL CHARACTER OF THIS PROPERTY AS SUCH FOR THE LITERAL ENFORCEMENT OF THE DIVISION OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE AS AMENDED WOULD RESULT INJUST UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP TO THIS APPLICANT. I FURTHER MOVED THAT THE FOLLOWING CONDITION BE IMPOSED TO FURTHER THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT CODE COMPLIANCE WITH THE MOST RECENT VERSION OF ALL SUBMITTED PLANS ARE REQUIRED. IS THERE A SECOND MR. VICE CHAIR? I SECOND. OKAY, MR. SLAVE'S MOTION. MR. MILLI CAN SECOND MR. SLAVE YOU MOTION? I THANK YOU. UM, I OBVIOUSLY MADE THE MOTION BECAUSE IN LIGHT OF, UH, MS. HALL'S PRESENTATION IN MR. CLARK'S TESTIMONY IN PARTICULAR, UM, I WAS ABLE TO CONCLUDE AND, AND THE SUPPORTING NEIGHBOR FROM ACROSS THE STREET, UH, I WAS ABLE TO CONCLUDE THAT IT WAS NOT CONTRARY TO PUBLIC INTEREST. UM, I CONCLUDED THAT IT WAS NECESSARY TO PERMIT DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SPECIFIC PARCEL OF LAND IN LIGHT OF THE TESTIMONY CONCERNING THE COST OF COMPLIANCE AND THE FACT THAT BECAUSE OF THE PUR BEAM STRUCTURE AND THE, THE NATURE OF, UM, THE CONCERN ABOUT FOUNDATION ISSUES ESSENTIALLY WOULDN'T HAVE TO ESSENTIALLY REBUILD THE HOUSE IN ORDER TO GET THERE. UM, AND IF THIS WAS A WAY TO GET THEM THAT ADDITIONAL SCRIPT, WHETHER THAT THEY WOULD BE ENTITLED TO WHERE THEIR HOME ESSENTIALLY A LOT LARGER. UH, AND THEN I DID NOT BELIEVE THIS WAS GRANTED TO RELIEVE A SELF-CREATED OR PERSONAL HARDSHIP. THANK YOU MR. MILLER. SECOND. YEAH. UM, THIS WAS, UM, THIS WAS KIND OF EASY FOR ME TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. UM, THEY HAD YOU AT MY PARENTS WERE ONLY GONNA LIVE 15 YEARS. YES. UH, NO. UM, THE, UM, I FEEL THAT THE APPLICANT WAS ABLE TO SHOW THAT IT WOULDN'T, NOT ONLY WOULD IT, UM, NOT CAUSE ANY HARDSHIP, BUT I JUST FELT LIKE IT WOULDN'T IMPEDE ON NEIGHBORS CAUSE ANY ADDITIONAL HARDSHIP ON NEIGHBORS. UM, THE CONCERNS AS FAR AS FROM OPPOSITION AS FAR AS DIMINISHING PROPERTY VALUE, UH, I COULD NOT AGREE WITH HOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN. UM, HOW IT WOULD IMPACT PRIVACY. UM, SO I JUST HAVE TO, UH, SUPPORT THE MOTION TO GRANT OTHER COMMENTS ING TO MR. BILL? UH, THE, THE ONLY THING THAT GETS CLOSE TO ME IS SIZE, SHAPE, AND SLOPE. I'VE CONVINCED MYSELF THAT A COUPLE, UH, ONE, I I SEE NO HARM. UH, I ALSO DON'T SEE A PRIVACY CONCERN. AND FRANKLY, PRESERVING AN OLD HOUSE IS, IS LIKELY TO HAVE THE EFFECT OF PRESERVING THE, THE, THE FEEL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD MORE THAN THE NEW HOUSE IS. AND, AND I THINK THAT IS ROUGHLY THE DECISION WE'RE MAKING. UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHICH OF THE COMMENSURATE HOUSES WERE BUILT BEFORE OH NINE IF I WERE REALLY NEEDING TO GET INTO IT AND HAVE TO HAVE THAT DATA. BUT I, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT BY SIMPLY, BY VIRTUE OF HAVING A SMALL HOUSE, UH, YOU, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT WE, OKAY, THIS WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF THIS WERE A MUCH SMALLER LOT FRANKLY, AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT A LOT COVERAGE RA RATIO THAT WAS MUCH HIGHER IN A STRANGE WAY. UM, UH, I'M JUST NOT WILLING TO PUNISH THAT. UH, I FOR ONE, AND I THINK EVERYONE HERE SHARES THIS WISH YOU LONG, PROSPEROUS [01:35:01] LIVES. UH, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT HAVING LIVED IN CHINA, THAT THAT, UH, THE CULTURAL, UM, IDEA THAT, THAT, UH, PARENTS TAKE CARE OF YOU AND THEN YOU TAKE CARE OF PARENTS, UH, WHICH, UH, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN OUR IDEA. AND I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. SO I'M GONNA VOTE FOR IT. MR. SASHEN, UM, I GUESS I JUST HAVE ONE ITEM TO BRING UP IS, UM, I GUESS IN ADDRESSING ONE OF THE CONCERNS OF THE, UM, OPPOSITION AND THAT IS AS IT RELATES TO, UM, SHORT TERM RELEVANCE, CAN WE CONDITION THE MOTION TO, UM, UH, THAT IT NOT BE USED FOR ANY RESIDENTIAL, UM, PURPOSES IN THE FUTURE NOW AND YOU CANNOT JUST BECAUSE THIS IS THE VARIANCE TO THE FLOOR AREA THAT WERE THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO THE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY USE REGULATIONS. YOU ABSOLUTELY COULD, BUT THE POSTURE OF THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT, UH, UNIQUE IN THAT RESPECT. THIS WOULD NOT HAVE A BATHROOM. THIS IS KITCHEN THAT THE THREE, RIGHT? IT'S MISSING ONE OF THE THREE. I DO NOT KNOW WHICH OF THE THREE I'LL DEFER TO, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE THE THREE, THERE'S NO KITCHEN ON HOLD BECAUSE IF IT WERE THEN, THEN WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE KIND OF THING MS ING, CORRECT? YEAH. THEN, THEN IT WOULD BE, UH, A REQUEST FOR TWO THINGS. IT WOULD BE THE VARIANCE TO THE FLOOR AREA AND THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION. AND THEN WITH THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION, YOU COULD REQUIRE THAT IT NOT BE, UH, PRINTED OUT. THANK YOU. UM, YES SIR. I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE ASKED WHETHER THERE'S TWO METERS, I'M GUESSING THERE OR NOT. SOMEBODY INSTALLED, INSTALLED A SECOND ELECTRIC METER. DO YOU ACTUALLY NEED A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO GET A SECOND METER? AND BECAUSE THAT REQUEST IS NOT FOR YOU, IT'S JUST THE ONE. MR. OKAY. MR. WILLIAMS, MR. SLAY? AYE. MR. STON? AYE. MR. MILLIKEN? AYE. MR. DORN? AYE. MR. VICE CHAIR AYE. MOTION TO GRANT PASSES? FIVE TO ZERO. OKAY, SO HERE COMES THE OTHER, THIS IS BDA 2 4 5 DASH 0 6 6 35 16 ROSS AVENUE. UM, SO GOOD LUCK. CONGRATULATIONS ON THE KID. AND UM, MY PARENTS ARE READY FOR IT. , IF IT HELPS, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO NORA AND, AND BRIA BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE SO MUCH AND, UH, I HONESTLY THOUGHT THERE WAS A DEEP RESTRICTION BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S BEEN VERY CONFUSING. SO I'LL JUST KEEP LISTENING TO THEM AND THEY CAN TELL ME WHAT I'M ALLOWED TO DO. THAT'S WHAT WE DO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. ARE THERE SPEAKERS IN, IN, WELL, ARE, IS THE APPLICANT AVAILABLE? MR. AU? THERE YOU GO. SO I SUPPOSE, UH, HE'S ALREADY, DOES HE NEED TO BE SWORN IN AGAIN? HE IS GOOD. SO JUST PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN. THANK YOU. YES. SKY TIP O, MISSION RICH CONSULTANTS PO BOX 2 6 0 2 0 3, PLANO, TEXAS 7 5 0 2 6. UH, JUST LIKE THE OTHER ITEM, UH, WE WERE HAPPY TO SEE THE REFORM, UH, GET APPROVED, UH, THAT RESULTED IN OUR PLAN FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AND THIS SITE PLAN TO BE, UH, OVER BARKED BY QUITE A BIT NOW. SO WE ARE REQUESTING, UH, AND WORKING WITH STAFF THAT WE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND BEYOND THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU. WHAT'S THAT? DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ON THE RECORD? I, I CAN'T, I ACTUALLY CAN'T UNDERSTAND. OKAY. ARE THERE NONE? THANK YOU. ARE THERE OTHER SPEAKERS FOR, ARE THERE SPEAKERS AGAINST? NO, THE SPEAKERS. OKAY. THANK YOU. IS THERE A MOTION VICE CHAIR? I HAVE A MOTION. UH, MR. SUE, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND APPEAL NUMBER BDA 2 4 5 DASH 0 6 6 ON APPLICATION OF OLIVER STEINBERG REPRESENTED BY SKY DENY THE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS TO THE PARKING REGULATIONS REQUESTED BY THIS APPLICANT WITHOUT PREJUDICE, UH, BECAUSE THE APPLICANT HAS SO REQUESTED ING. SECOND MR. SASHING SECOND COMMENT. ALRIGHT, MS. WILLIAM, MR. SLATE. AYE. MR. SING? AYE. MR. MILLIKEN AYE. MR. DORN AYE. MR. VICE CHAIR AYE. MOTION TO DENY PASSES? FIVE TO ZERO. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU ESPECIALLY TO MR. DORN. [01:40:01] WELCOME. AND, UH, THANKS FOR BEING HERE. UH, UH, I HOPE WE DIDN'T DISSUADE YOU FROM DOING MORE OF THESE. UM, UM, MS. P*****K COULDN'T BE HERE BECAUSE SHE HAS BEEN ELECTED PRESIDENT OF SOMETHING IMPORTANT. I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT, UM, HER WORDS WERE, SHE'S BEEN DRAFTED TO DO IT. BUT, UM, THAT SAID, UM, IT'S 2:44 PM ON THE 19TH OF MAY, 2025. BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT PANEL C IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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