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FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS, AS ALWAYS, IS TO APPROVE MINUTES.

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DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? AND A SECOND.

THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY. I THINK WE GOT THAT TAKEN CARE OF.

OKAY. BRIEFING ITEMS. I WAS GOING TO DO A SPECIAL RECOGNITION HERE, BUT WE'LL JUST HOLD OFF ON THAT.

SO OUR FIRST BRIEFING ITEM AND REALLY ONLY BRIEFING ITEM FOR TODAY IS GIVEN BY RYAN O'CONNOR.

AND I GUESS, LA'KISHA, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE MET LAKISHA GIRDER.

NICE TO SEE YOU. AND THEY ARE HERE TO BRIEF US ON THE AMENDMENT THAT ADDRESSES THE PARKLAND DEDICATION.

AND SO, RYAN, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. IF WE COULD IF WE COULD GET THIS MONITOR WORKING, OR I CAN SWITCH SEATS.

WHATEVER. HOW ABOUT I JUST SWITCH OVER THERE? OKAY. GOOD MORNING. ONE MORE TIME. RYAN O'CONNOR WITH DALLAS PARK AND RECREATION. I'M JOINED WITH MY COLLEAGUE, LA'KISHA GIRDER, WHO'S A PLANNING MANAGER IN OUR DEPARTMENT.

SO, OF COURSE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT PARKLAND DEDICATION.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A WHILE.

THAT WAS AN OUTCOME OF THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

IF WE COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THAT IS THE APPENDIX.

THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO AGAIN TALKING ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT RELATED TO A BILL THAT WAS APPROVED AT THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS WAS AN ACTION, IT WAS A HOUSE BILL, IT WAS A SENATE BILL THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE GOVERNOR LATE IN 2023.

AND SO IT'S A BILL THAT AFFECTS HOW THE FIVE LARGEST CITIES IN TEXAS DO PARKLAND DEDICATION.

SO, BECAUSE WE WERE REQUIRED TO DO THIS WE SAW IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY, REALLY AND SO, OUR ORIGINAL PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE WAS SOMEWHAT COMPLICATED, I GUESS IS A WAY TO SAY IT.

THERE WERE ALL SORTS OF CREDIT MECHANISMS, AND IT COULD BE A LITTLE CONFUSING FOR THE INTERESTED PERSON TO UNDERSTAND.

AND SO WE TOOK THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY SIMPLIFY THE ORDINANCE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'LL SHARE WITH YOU TODAY.

NEXT SLIDE. AGAIN, A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND. OUR ORIGINAL ORDINANCE WENT INTO EFFECT IN 2019.

THE STARTED WORK REALLY BACK IN 2017 AND WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN 2018, BUT WASN'T EFFECTIVE UNTIL 2019.

SO WE HAD FEES FOR, A FEE IN LIEU OF A LAND DEDICATION AND A PARK DEVELOPMENT.

SO THERE WERE TWO FEES IN THE OLD ORDINANCE. THERE WERE SEVEN NEXUS ZONES.

AND WHAT A NEXUS ZONE IS, IT'S A GEOGRAPHIC AREA WHERE THE FEES ACCUMULATE.

SO WHERE THE FEES ACCUMULATE IS THE SAME AREA WHERE YOU CAN SPEND THE FEES, SO THERE'S SEVEN ZONES AROUND TOWN AND WE'LL SEE A MAP HERE MOMENTARILY.

THE EXPENDITURE OF THE FEES IS LIMITED TO LAND ACQUISITION, BUYING PROPERTIES AND PARK DEVELOPMENT.

IT IMPACTED SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY AND HOTEL MOTEL.

COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WERE EXCLUDED, AS WERE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.

THEY WERE EXCLUDED FROM THE OLD ORDINANCE. WE WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS IN A VERY COLLABORATIVE WAY.

WE WORKED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. WE ALSO WORKED WITH KIND OF PARK ADVOCATES TO CRAFT AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS LARGELY SUCCESSFUL IN ALL THE YEARS WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS. THERE HASN'T REALLY BEEN A SINGLE CHALLENGE.

THERE HASN'T BEEN A SINGLE ISSUE. YOU KNOW, ANYONE COMPLAINING OR OTHERWISE.

NEXT SLIDE. SO AGAIN THE BILL THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE LEGISLATURE AND SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR AFFECTED THE FIVE LARGEST CITIES IN TEXAS.

NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS AFFECTS THIS NEW LAW, AFFECTS MULTIFAMILY AND HOTEL MOTEL DEVELOPMENTS, IT EXCLUDES SINGLE FAMILY. MUNICIPALITIES HAVE THE OPTION TO REQUIRE A LAND DEDICATION, A FEE OR BOTH. AND THERE ARE TWO WAYS TO DERIVE THOSE FEES.

ONE IS A VERY CONVOLUTED CALCULATION. THE OTHER IS RELATIVELY SIMPLE.

IT'S BASED UPON THE 2% OF MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME, WHICH IN DALLAS IS 65,400.

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THE OTHER THINGS IN THE NEW LAW, IT LIMITED THE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY THAT THE CITY CAN REQUIRE A LAND DEDICATION.

IT'S NO MORE THAN 10% OF THE OF THE DEVELOPABLE SITE.

AND IF THE CITY CHOOSES TO REQUIRE THAT DEDICATION, WE HAVE TO PAY FAIR MARKET VALUE.

SO ALTHOUGH IT SAYS A DEDICATION, IT'S REALLY MORE LIKE AN ACQUISITION OF A PORTION OF THE SITE.

THE FEES AND OR LAND DEDICATION, IF THE CITY WERE TO REQUIRE IT, HAD TO BE SATISFIED PRIOR TO THE CO, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN TODAY, IT WAS TAGGED TO THE BUILDING PERMIT.

SO THIS MOVES IT FROM THIS BILL, MOVES IT FROM THE FRONT OF THE PROCESS TO THE BACK OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

AND AGAIN IN THIS LAW, AFFORDABLE UNITS ARE EXCLUDED FROM FROM THE ORDINANCE.

NEXT SLIDE. SO HERE WE GO WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE NEW ORDINANCE.

SO WE WOULD LIKE THE UTILIZE THE ABILITY TO REQUIRE LAND DEDICATIONS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

AS I MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THEM AT FAIR MARKET VALUE, THERE'S GOING TO BE VERY LIMITED OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO REQUIRE THAT THE DEDICATION AND THE FACT THAT IT'S ONLY 10% OF THE DEVELOPABLE SITE, IN MOST CASES, THAT'S GOING TO BE A VERY, VERY SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WOULDN'T HAVE A LOT OF RECREATION BENEFIT.

SO AS I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT FOLKS, I'VE BEEN SAYING CONSISTENTLY THAT THE CITY IS VERY VERY RARELY GOING TO REQUIRE A DEDICATION. WE ARE ALSO RECOMMENDING CHANGING THE NEXUS ZONES FROM 7 TO 5.

THE REASON FOR THIS IS WE HAVE LEARNED THAT WITH SEVEN ZONES, THE FUNDS ACCRUE NOT VERY QUICKLY.

AND SO BY CHANGING THE BOUNDARIES TO LARGER ZONES, IT WILL ALLOW FOR THE FEES TO ACCRUE A LITTLE MORE QUICKLY.

AS FAR AS THE FEE PIECE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING A PERMUTATION OF THE 2% MAXIMUM, REMEMBER 2% OF MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME.

SO YOU CAN SEE 2% FOR SINGLE FAMILY, 2% FOR TWO BED OR MORE MULTI-FAMILY, 1% FOR ONE BED MULTI-FAMILY AND 1% FOR HOTEL MOTEL. YOU'LL SEE WHAT THOSE FEES LOOK LIKE IN A FEW MINUTES BASED UPON THAT METHODOLOGY.

AND THEN SIMPLY WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO REMOVE THOSE CREDIT MECHANISMS FROM THE OLD ORDINANCE BECAUSE THEY WERE LITERALLY NEVER USED.

NEXT SLIDE. A FEW, A TIMELINE OF KIND OF HOW WE'VE GOTTEN TO THIS POINT.

WE WENT THROUGH ZOAC, WE WENT THROUGH CPC. CPC HAD TWO KEY AMENDMENTS BACK IN FEBRUARY.

ONE WAS TO GIVE THE DEVELOPER A 50% CREDIT OF THE FEE IF THEY CHOSE TO DEVELOP A TRAILHEAD ASSOCIATED WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S KIND OF A, THAT CONCEPT IS KIND OF A HANGOVER FROM THE OLD ORDINANCE, THIS CONCEPT OF A CREDIT MECHANISM.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S I THINK IT'S PERFECTLY FINE TO KEEP IN THERE.

OF COURSE, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE TRAIL DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO THAT'S A CREDIT MECHANISM I'M SKEPTICAL WILL BE USED A LOT BUT I THINK IT'S GREAT TO KEEP IN THERE I IF THAT'S WHAT THE WILL OF THE BODY WAS. AND THEN THE OTHER MORE KEY RECOMMENDATION WAS TO REDUCE THE STAFF RECOMMENDED FEES BY 50%, WHICH IN EFFECT LOWERED THE FEES BELOW WHAT THEY ARE TODAY.

AND AGAIN WE'LL SEE WHAT THE IMPACT OF ALL THAT IS MOMENTARILY.

EVERYTHING ELSE CPC AGREED TO THE, YOU KNOW, KEEPING AFFORDABLE HOUSING EXCLUDED, SHRINKING THE ZONES FROM 7 TO 5, ETC.. NEXT SLIDE. SO JUST A FEW KIND OF IMPACTS OR CONSIDERATIONS RELATED TO THE CPC FEE PIECE. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST GOING TO MAKE IT MORE CHALLENGING.

OF COURSE, IF THE FEES ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER TO ACCUMULATE IN A TIMELY WAY, BECAUSE WE HAVE A TEN YEAR CLOCK ON OUR FEES AT THE TEN YEAR MARK, DEVELOPERS HAVE THE OPTION TO REQUEST A REFUND.

AND IT'S JUST GOING TO BE CHALLENGING TO ACCUMULATE ENOUGH MONEY TO BE ACTIVE AND RESPONSIVE IN THE MARKET TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY.

SO THEREFORE WE WILL PROBABLY NEED TO CONSIDER OTHER OPTIONS, WHETHER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PUTTING LAND ACQUISITION FUNDING AND FUTURE BOND PROGRAMS, ETC.. NEXT SLIDE. SO HERE IS A MAP SHOWING THE OLD SEVEN ZONES.

THE DOTS. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE DEVELOPMENT HAS OCCURRED.

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AND JUST FOR CONTEXT, NOT THAT IT REALLY MATTERS, BUT THE WHITE ROCK, THE KIND OF GREENISH COLOR IS ZONE ONE AND IT GOES CLOCKWISE.

THE PURPLE IS TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX AT THE VERY TOP SEVEN BEING THE CENTER.

NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS.

IT'S FIVE ZONES BUT IT'S REALLY QUADRANTS. SO THE CBD IS ITS OWN ZONE.

THE FIFTH ZONE. BUT YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

SHRINKING THE ZONES FROM 7 TO 5. NEXT SLIDE. OKAY.

SO GETTING INTO THE FEE PIECE A LITTLE BIT SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS.

AGAIN, 2% OF MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME IN DALLAS IS 65,400.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE 2-1-2-1 METHODOLOGY AND THE EQUIVALENT DOLLARS.

NEXT SLIDE. WE WANTED TO OFFER SOME COMPARISON INFORMATION.

YOU CAN SEE THERE AT THE TOP. AUSTIN IS BY A WIDE MARGIN, THE MOST EXPENSIVE THEIR PER UNIT, DU STANDS FOR DWELLING UNIT. THEIR PER UNIT COST RANGES FROM YOU KNOW, 5800 PER UNIT ALL THE WAY UP TO 6500. FORT WORTH PROBABLY OUR BEST COMP, IF YOU WILL, THEY ARE RECOMMENDING THEY ARE USING THE 2% AS WELL. THE 2% MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME. THEIR MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME IS 90,000, SO THEY'RE AT 1800 A UNIT.

HOUSTON IS NOT REALLY UPDATED THEIR ORDINANCE YET.

YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE AT 700. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THE 1308 OR 654.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE 2%, 1%. AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE CPC RECOMMENDATION AT THE BOTTOM.

SO IT'S HALF. SO TAKING THE 1308 TO 654 AND THE 654 TO 327.

SO THE THE POINT HERE IS YOU KNOW, OUR COMPARATIVE CITIES THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THE LAW, OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE VERY MUCH IN ALIGNMENT TO THE LOWER END OF WHAT THEY'RE BEING CHARGED.

NEXT SLIDE. THIS LOOKS AT OTHER SUBURBAN COMMUNITIES IN THE METROPLEX.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THE HIGH IS 6500 PER DWELLING UNIT IN SOUTHLAKE, PLANO IS AT 2800, LANCASTER IS AT 1400.

YOU CAN SEE AGAIN OUR PROPOSED THERE IN THE MIDDLE AT 1308.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENT DALLAS ORDINANCE, WHICH IS, I'M LOOKING AT SINGLE FAMILY SPECIFICALLY, CURRENT DALLAS ORDINANCE 1165. THE CPC RECOMMENDATION 654.

SO AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE THE DRAMATIC LOWERING OF THE FEE.

NEXT SLIDE. SO JUST A FEW NEXT STEPS ON ALL THIS.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS VERY CLOSELY WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OF COURSE.

WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING CORRESPONDING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ON THIS.

OF COURSE. AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK FROM THIS BODY.

ON THE BEST TIME TO TAKE THIS TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.

BUT POTENTIALLY, IT COULD BE LATER THIS MONTH.

NEXT SLIDE. AND ONE MORE, WHICH IS THE APPENDIX.

YES. SO HERE IS A KIND OF A SUCCINCT WAY TO LOOK AT THE FEES.

YOU CAN SEE AT THE VERY TOP LINE OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, SINGLE FAMILY, ONE BED, TWO BED, ETC.

YOU CAN SEE OUR PROPOSED ORDINANCE BELOW THAT THE PERCENT INCREASE THAT WE WERE RECOMMENDING BY CATEGORY.

YOU CAN SEE THEN THE CPC RECOMMENDATION AND WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE AT THE VERY BOTTOM THE PERCENT DECREASE THAT WOULD OCCUR WITH THE CPC RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR EXISTING CURRENT FEE.

AND THAT IS THAT IS THE CONCLUSION OF THE PRESENTATION.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. OH, THERE WE GO.

THANK YOU. DIRECTOR O'CONNOR. CHAD, ARE YOU READY TO KICK IT OFF? OKAY, CHAIR WEST. THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT PRESENTATION.

DIRECTOR AND CHAIR FOR BRINGING THIS TO US. I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF BE A LITTLE SPORADIC BECAUSE I'M ALL OVER THE PLACE ON THIS ONE.

I WAS ACTUALLY ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PASSED.

BACK IN, I THINK IT WAS '18 AND THEN ENACTED IN '19, AND IT WAS UNANIMOUS, AND I DIDN'T DRAFT IT, BUT I CAME ON RIGHT AT THE END WHEN WE PASSED IT, AND IT WAS SOMETHING THE CITY WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT.

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SO GLAD TO SEE THAT IT'S STILL HAPPENING TODAY.

ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAD WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PASSED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT WAS ALL ABOUT LAND USE, AND IT WAS ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE WANT TO PUSH OUR PARKS SYSTEM FORWARD.

BUT BY SENDING THE FEE CALCULATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT BECAME INEVITABLY POLITICAL BEFORE IT EVER GOT HERE, ONE, AND TWO, WE ASKED THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DO SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF LAND USE AND EVALUATE FEES AND HOW IT IMPACTS THE CITY, WHICH I DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY SHOULD BE DOING.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS FOR THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE IS AND MAYBE THE CITY ATTORNEY IS, WHY WAS THE FEE CALCULATION SENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION? I MEAN, IS THAT A REQUIREMENT? SINCE WE'RE AMENDING THE ORDINANCE.

I'M GOING TO DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. GOOD MORNING. ON THE PROCEDURAL PART OF IT, BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS MORE PROCEDURAL ISSUE RATHER THAN SUBSTANTIVE, BUT I COULD BE CORRECTED .

AS YOU'RE GETTING YOUR ANSWER TOGETHER, THAT'S MY CONCERN HERE, IS, WE HAVE ASKED OUR PLAN COMMISSION, WHO DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE CITY BUDGET OTHER THAN WHAT WE TELL THEM.

AND THEY READ AND WE'VE WE'VE ASKED THEM TO OPINE ON BUDGETARY ISSUES, ON FEE ISSUES, WHICH THEY REALLY HAVE NO PURVIEW OVER. SO WHY DID WE ASK THEM TO GIVE US A RECOMMENDATION? GOOD MORNING. COMMITTEE. MORNING. DANIEL MOORE, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

COUNCIL MEMBER WEST. HISTORICALLY, WE HAVE NOT ASKED THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION TO LOOK AT THE FEES AND AS YOU KNOW, AS A FORMER PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER, CHAPTER 51 IS DIVIDED UP INTO ARTICLES.

THE FEES ARE IN ARTICLE ONE. WE HAVE HISTORICALLY NOT ASKED CPC TO OPINE ON THE FEES THAT ARE IN ARTICLE ONE.

THEY TYPICALLY JUST OPINE ON THE PROVISIONS IN ARTICLE FOUR OF CHAPTER 51A, WHICH IS ALL THE ZONING COMPONENTS.

OKAY. WELL, I WOULD MAKE A REQUEST FOR THE CITY MANAGER IN THE FUTURE THAT WHEN IT COMES TO CHANGING FEES THAT IMPACT MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY, WE DON'T SEND THEM TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND NO OFFENSE TO OUR VERY TALENTED PARK BOARD REPRESENTATIVES EITHER, BUT I DON'T THINK THE PARK BOARD SHOULD SHOULD BE OPINING IN ON ORDINANCES THAT IMPACT THE CITY BUDGET ACROSS MULTIPLE SECTORS.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL GO DOWN TO WHAT REALLY MATTERS AT THIS POINT.

I WILL COME OUT SWINGING AND SAY AT THE GET GO, I DO NOT SUPPORT GOING BELOW THE FEE THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY AT.

I CANNOT IMAGINE ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES WOULD SUPPORT THAT EITHER. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH SENDING SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IS THEY DON'T REALIZE THE IMPACT THAT IT WOULD HAVE OVERALL IN OUR OVERALL PLANS, BECAUSE THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOESN'T DO ANYTHING WITH PARKS.

SO I THINK STARTING AS A BASELINE AND WORKING FROM THERE IS WHERE WE SHOULD BE.

SO QUESTIONS FOR LEGAL. IS IT CORRECT THAT THE STATE LAW DOES NOT ALLOW US TO EXPAND THIS ORDINANCE BEYOND JUST RESIDENTIAL RELATED ENDEAVORS? WE CAN'T INCLUDE INDUSTRIAL OFFICE IN THESE PARKLAND DEDICATION BECAUSE THEY ARE TAKING LAND THAT COULD THEORETICALLY BE USED FOR PARKS AS WELL.

THAT'S RIGHT, THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT WE CAN ONLY WE CANNOT CHARGE A PARKLAND DEDICATION OR FEE OR REQUIRE PARKLAND DEDICATION FOR COMMERCIAL USES OTHER THAN MULTIFAMILY HOTEL AND MOTEL.

OKAY. I MEAN, AND THAT'S A CHALLENGE, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT FOR THE FUTURE LEGISLATURE.

IS IT JUST US OR IS IT? THIS BILL ONLY APPLIES TO THOSE FIVE BIG CITIES, SO IT ONLY APPLIES TO US FORT WORTH, AUSTIN, SAN ANTONIO AND HOUSTON. IF YOU ARE ARLINGTON, FRISCO, PLANO, YOU CAN STILL DO THAT.

BUT THOSE FIVE BIG CITIES CANNOT. IT'S PRETTY RANDOM.

AND I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THE THE HOTEL MOTEL USES, BUT THE TACKING ON THIS ADDITIONAL FEE THAT WE WANT TO INCREASE AND WE ALL DO WANT MORE PARKS ONTO THE BACKS OF OUR COSTS FOR HOUSING CONSTRUCTION IS A CONCERN FOR ME. SO IT MAKES ME MORE HESITANT.

BUT IF OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE MORE MONEY, I WISH WE COULD EXPAND THAT POT AND ACTUALLY GO OUT INTO OTHER KINDS OF DEVELOPMENTS.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, FOCUSING ON THE HOUSING, HOW DO YOU DEFINE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PURSUANT TO THIS ORDINANCE? WE TOOK THE DEFINITION OF RESERVED DWELLING UNIT, WHICH IS THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE IN THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING BONUS SECTION OF

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51A SO IF YOU ARE AN AFFORDABLE UNIT IN THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING BONUS, YOU'RE AN AFFORDABLE UNIT FOR PURPOSES OF THIS ORDINANCE.

WHAT IF IT'S A PROPOSAL FOR A LIGHT TECH DEVELOPMENT? WOULD THAT QUALIFY TO AVOID THE FEE INCREASES.

I WOULD, LET ME DOUBLE CHECK. I DO NOT KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I WOULD NEED THAT. OKAY. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE GANTLET WITH YOU TODAY, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, I'M GOING TO ASK, I WOULD LIKE A FOLLOW UP MEMO FROM CITY ATTORNEY ON EVERY AFFORDABLE HOUSING TOOL THAT WE HAVE, THE PFC, THE HFC, LIGHT TECH, AND IF WE'RE JUST REALLY SHIFTING THE COSTS OVER TO THE TAXPAYERS IN ANOTHER WAY VERSUS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE SUBSIDIZING THOSE.

SO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR PARKLAND DEDICATION. I'D RATHER JUST GIVE PARKLAND DEDICATION MONEY THROUGH GENERAL FUNDS THAN TRYING TO TAKE IT OUT OF THE HOUSING BUDGET, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO NEED MORE MONEY ANYWAY. SO IT'S WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY'S COMING FROM.

OKAY. THIS IS FOR RYAN. CAN LAND ACQUISITION INCLUDE LAND FOR TRAILS? SURE. OKAY, GREAT. AND THEN THE ONE THING THAT SEEMS VERY VAGUE TO ME WAS THE SLIDE SEVEN, BULLET TWO. THE NEW ORDINANCE RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD ONLY REQUIRE A LAND DEDICATION IN VERY LIMITED INSTANCES IN AREAS OF HIGH NEED OF PARK ACCESS. WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION ON WHEN WE NEED TO DO THAT? WE NEED TO TAKE THAT STEP? SO THERE ARE CERTAINLY PARTS OF TOWN THAT ARE IN NEED OF PARKLAND STILL.

I CAN THINK OF DISTRICT EIGHT AROUND KLEBERG-RYLIE.

I CAN THINK OF THE CEDARS. I CAN THINK OF STATE THOMAS.

THERE ARE CERTAIN PARTS OF TOWN THAT WE ARE STILL DESIRING TO INCREASE PARKLAND IN YOUR DISTRICT, FOR INSTANCE, AS WELL. FOR SURE. THERE ARE CERTAINLY AREAS AROUND TOWN.

SO IT WOULD REALLY BE A PRODUCT OF LOOKING AT WHERE OUR PARK ACCESS GAPS STILL EXIST, AND WE HAVE DATA ON ALL THAT.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE AREA THAT WE WOULD TARGET. BUT THE FIRST PART OF THE BULLET REALLY ADDRESSES THE FACT THAT LAND HAS BECOME VERY EXPENSIVE.

THE MOST RECENT ACQUISITIONS WE HAVE UNDERTAKEN HAVE BEEN VERY EXPENSIVE.

AND SO YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE PAYING FAIR MARKET VALUE FOR THIS LAND I JUST THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE LIMITED INSTANCES THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO USE THIS TOOL. WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN, BUT I JUST THINK THE REALITY IS THAT KNOWING WHAT WE'VE LEARNED OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS OF IMPLEMENTING THIS, THE MONEY JUST HASN'T ACCRUED AT THE RATE THAT WE WOULD ALLOW TO BE AGGRESSIVE IN THE ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY.

SO THAT'S WHY I, IN THE BEGINNING OF THE BULLET, I JUST THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY LIMITED INSTANCE GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT IS FAIR MARKET VALUE. I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I'M SENSITIVE TO THE NEED FOR THAT AS WELL.

AS YOU MENTIONED MY DISTRICT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN THE NEW PARK IN SUNSET HILL WITHOUT THIS FEE, AND IT'S IN A PARK DISTRICT AND WE'VE GOT SEVERAL MORE OF THEM.

SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT THE FEE INCREASES JUST LIKE YOU ARE AND EVERYONE ELSE.

MY CONCERN IS WHAT I DIDN'T HEAR YOU SAY, WHICH IS WHO MAKES THE DECISION AND TELLS THE PROSPECTIVE DEVELOPER, WE'RE NOT TAKING YOUR MONEY. WE WANT YOU TO BUILD THE PARK HERE.

IT WOULD BE THE DIRECTOR. OF WHO? OF PARKS. SO THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS MAKES THAT DETERMINATION.

ARE THERE QUALIFYING FACTORS THAT WOULD BE TRANSPARENT AND CLEAR TO FOLLOW SO THE DEVELOPER WOULD KNOW THIS IS COMING FROM WHEN THEY INITIALLY FILE THE APPLICATION? ABSOLUTELY. THE LAW REQUIRES A PROCESS AND THE PROCESS IS IN WRITING, SO THE DEVELOPER HAS THE OPTION AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS TO REQUEST A DETERMINATION IN WRITING ON WHETHER OR NOT THE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO REQUIRE AN ACQUISITION.

I CALL IT AN ACQUISITION. SO THERE WILL BE CERTAINTY ON THE FRONT END OF THE PROCESS.

SO THE DEVELOPER HAS THE ABILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT HOW THEY WANT TO PROCEED.

STILL SEEMS VAGUE TO ME. YOU KNOW, WE ALL LIKE YOU AND TRUST YOU.

I MEAN, DIRECTOR JENKINS IS AWESOME. HE'S GREAT TOO.

BUT IN FIVE YEARS, WE MAY NOT BE HERE, YOU MAY NOT BE HERE.

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AND WE'VE GOT TO PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT'S GOING TO STAND THE TEST OF TIME.

THIS IS A REALLY VAGUE PIECE TO ME AND I HEAR INDUSTRY'S CONCERNS ON THIS, TOO, THAT THIS IS A, IT COULD BE A HINDRANCE TO DEVELOPMENT IF WE DON'T GET IT REALLY IRONED OUT AND CRYSTAL CLEAR.

SO I'M GOING TO LISTEN TO MY COLLEAGUES AND HOPEFULLY THIS CLEARS UP FOR ME A LITTLE BIT MORE.

IF I COULD JUST ADD ONE MORE COMMENT AS KATIE AND JAMIE WILL TESTIFY, WE'VE HAD MANY, MANY CONVERSATIONS SPECIFICALLY ON THAT TOPIC, AND WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS AGREED TO TOGETHER IS THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND TO CREATE A PROCESS BY WHICH THERE IS CERTAINTY FOR THE DEVELOPER ON THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE.

I 100% COMMITTED TO THAT. IT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST FOR DEVELOPERS TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY IS GOING TO REQUIRE A 10% ACQUISITION OF THEIR PROPERTY.

SO WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT GREAT LENGTH, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO.

IF THE GOAL OF THE PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE IS TO GET NEW PARKLAND IN CERTAIN AREAS, IF THE FEE'S BEING PAID, YOU CAN SIMPLY APPLY THAT FEE TO ANOTHER PROPERTY DOWN THE STREET.

I MEAN, I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE UNIQUE SCENARIO WHERE THERE'S LITERALLY NOTHING FOR SALE IN AN AREA, AND YOU REALLY WANT TO PUSH IT ONTO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING DONE.

YEAH. TO ME, I WOULDN'T THAT IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME TO IRON OUT THOSE PARAMETERS.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO HOLD THE ORDINANCE UP FOR THAT.

BUT I'M OPEN TO HEARING IF THERE'S SOME IDEAS ON HOW TO DO THAT.

THANK YOU. REAL QUICK, CHAIR WEST ON THAT POINT.

I'VE HAD SOME CONCERNS AROUND THAT AND HAVE BEEN WORKING ON SOME LANGUAGE THAT WOULD PERHAPS MAKE IT A MUTUAL DECISION BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE PARK DIRECTOR, AND THAT WE SAY IT HAS TO BE DEVELOPABLE LAND.

IT CAN'T BE FLOODPLAIN. YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WORK ON THAT LOCATION TOGETHER, THAT IT BE MUTUALLY AGREED TO.

SO WE ARE WORKING ON SOME PARAMETERS FOR THAT LANGUAGE.

IT IS VERY, I THINK THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY STATED, IT'S PRETTY ONE SIDED.

THE DIRECTOR MAKES THE DECISION ABOUT WHERE THAT PIECE WOULD BE AND I THINK THAT GIVES DEVELOPERS SOME PAUSE AND SOME CONCERN.

SO I THINK MAKING IT MUTUALLY AGREED UPON, BUT THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN.

RIGHT? WE ALWAYS GET THAT PIECE OF LAND THAT NOBODY CAN DEVELOP FOR A PARK.

AND AND WE'RE SUFFERING FROM THAT IN D10. WE HAVE A LOT OF OUR PARK SPACES IN THE FLOODPLAIN.

SO I AGREE WITH YOU. WE NEED SOME MORE SPECIFICITY AROUND THAT PARTICULAR PROVISION.

THANK YOU. CHAIR BLACKMON. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO I HAVE A QUESTION.

BUT BACK TO THIS. DO WE HAVE A PLAN ON WHERE WE'RE PUTTING OUR PARKS? I MEAN, WE HAVE THIS GOAL OF A TEN MINUTE WALK.

I WOULD ASSUME THERE'S A PLAN SOMEWHERE. WELL.

IF NOT, MAYBE THAT'S WHAT YOU DO IS START FIGURING THAT PIECE OUT INSTEAD OF IT BEING A NARRATIVE.

IT ACTUALLY BECOMES A DOCUMENT AND THEN THAT'S A GUIDING THING THAT YOU'VE GOT TO BE IN THIS AREA.

YES. VERY CLEARLY UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. WE DO HAVE A PLAN IN THE SENSE THAT WHEN WE'RE PRESENTED WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUY A PIECE OF LAND, WE RUN IT THROUGH A SERIES OF FILTERS, YOU KNOW, IS IT GOING TO MOVE THE NEEDLE ON PARK ACCESS? IS IT GOING TO AFFECT FOOD DESERTS? IS IT GOING TO AFFECT HEAT ISLAND? IS IT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE THE NEEDLE IN A POSITIVE WAY ON A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN.

AND SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, YES, THERE IS A PLAN.

WE HAVE TARGETED AREAS THAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO MOVE THE NEEDLE ON.

BUT IN A LOT OF CASES LAND ACQUISITION OPPORTUNITIES ARE KIND.

AND IF IT'S GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO, OH, THIS PERSON NOW IS PUTTING THIS THING DOWN SO IT CHANGES ALL OF THE OUTPUTS, THAT DOESN'T HAVE PREDICTABILITY. AND SO WHAT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS YOU DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO MAKE A SUBJECTIVE DECISION BASED ON, I THINK YOU NEED INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION THAT'S VERY OBJECTIVE AND CLEAR, AND I THINK MAYBE EVEN A NEBULOUS, EVEN JUST TAKE ONE OF THOSE QUADRANTS, LIKE YOU SAID, AND BREAK IT DOWN, BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE PARKS NOW, AND THAT'S THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.

AND TO BE QUITE HONEST, I'M OKAY WITH FLOODPLAIN BECAUSE TO ME A PARK IS NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS EQUIPMENT.

IT CAN BE OPEN SPACE, IT CAN BE A BENCH, IT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FISH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN D9 THAT'S NOT A PARK. IT'S OPEN SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO GET OUT AND GET OUTDOORS.

SO I MEAN, WITH A PARK WITH THE FLOODPLAIN, TO ME IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THERE.

BUT THAT'S JUST BECAUSE IF IT IS JUST AN OPEN SPACE THAT YOU CAN HAVE BIRDING AND YOU CAN GO LOOK FOR DIFFERENT THINGS,

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REPTILES, BECAUSE THERE MAY BE LITTLE AMPHIBIANS OR WHATEVER THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM A PARK.

SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A PARK IN THIS ORDINANCE? DOES IT HAVE TO BE AN ACTUAL PLAYGROUND? PARKS ARE DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

KIND OF TO YOUR POINT, RIGHT? SO, OKAY, SO THAT'S THE THING IS THAT OPEN SPACE IS NOT TO ME THE SAME AS IF IT'S A VERY MANICURED PLAYGROUND.

RIGHT. OKAY. SO NOW TO THE NUMBERS. SO OUR CURRENT FEE THAT IS 1165.

CORRECT? CORRECT. IT LOOKS LIKE THE DELTA FROM WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING IS $143.

SO THAT'S CORRECT. IT WOULD INCREASE BY 12%. OKAY.

AND ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT WE CAN HAVE ANY NUMBER UP TO 1308? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, SINGLE FAMILY ISN'T COVERED BY THE STATE LAW.

SO THERE IS BROAD FLEXIBILITY ON THAT. THAT'S JUST OUR RECOMMENDATION.

IS TO TAKE IT TO 1308. THAT IS CORRECT. SO WE WANTED TO APPLY THE SAME METHODOLOGY ACROSS ALL THE DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL TYPOLOGIES FOR CONSISTENCY SAKE. OKAY. BECAUSE I GUESS WHY DID CPC GO TO 654? WHAT WAS THEIR RATIONALE? I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK FOR THEM.

WHO WAS AT THAT MEETING? OR MAYBE IF THEY COULD GIVE ME THE MEETING TIME, I COULD LISTEN TO IT, BECAUSE I'M KIND OF INTERESTED TO KNOW WHY THEY TOOK IT DOWN TO EVEN BELOW WHAT WE.

THE GENERAL CONTEXT OF THE CONVERSATION WAS YOU KNOW AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEED TO BE AGGRESSIVE AND ALLOWING FOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS. THAT WAS THE GENERAL CONTEXT OF THE CONVERSATION.

OKAY. AND THAT WAS ON THE SINGLE FAMILY, NOW MULTIFAMILY WITH TWO OR MORE BEDROOMS. THAT'S AT 917. CORRECT? YES. OKAY. I'M LOOKING.

SO THEY WANT TO TAKE IT UP TO 13, AND YOU STILL WANT TO TAKE IT UP TO 1308 ON THAT ONE.

CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEY BASICALLY SAID THAT THEY FELT THAT IF THERE WAS THIS HUGE INCREASE OF BASICALLY DOUBLING IT, IT WOULD IMPEDE IN OUR DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY.

AND I CAN SEE THAT. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE A HAPPY MEDIUM HERE? WHAT IS THAT POINT WHERE THE MARKET SAYS, I CAN'T BEAR IT ANYMORE? AND IT MAY NOT BE 1308. IT'S DEFINITELY NOT NINE.

I'M JUST LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, CAN YOU PICK A NUMBER AND SAY $1,000 ACROSS THE BOARD? CAN YOU GO UP TO 2%? YOU CANNOT EXCEED 2% PERCENT.

ANYTHING BELOW THAT THRESHOLD IS ACCEPTABLE UNDER STATE LAW.

BECAUSE YOU GET A LITTLE MORE, BUT YOU'RE NOT AND I'M TAKING THESE ARE IN TODAY'S DOLLARS OR SINCE 2019 I GUESS WHEN WE PASSED THAT WAS IT 2019.

YEAH IT'S 2019. OKAY. SO AND THEY'RE ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION.

THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION SINCE 2019.

SO IT COULD BE THAT 917 RIGHT NOW IS REALLY WORTH $1,000.

SO. WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS HOW DO YOU MAKE IT FAIR THAT DOESN'T STIFLE THE MARKET BUT ACTUALLY GIVES US WHAT WE NEED IN BUILDING OUT A PARK SYSTEM.

YEAH. IF YOU WANT TO. OH WELL. SHE WAS JUST SAYING.

SO WHEN WE WERE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY YOU KNOW, WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO BE REASONABLE, AS WE ALWAYS DO. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE CAME UP WITH THIS METHODOLOGY OF 2%, 1%, 2%, 1%.

SO AS OPPOSED TO FORT WORTH, YOU JUST SAID FLAT 2% ACROSS THE BOARD, WE WANTED TO TRY TO CREATE A METHODOLOGY BY WHICH WE WERE WORKING TOGETHER, WE WERE TRYING TO ARRIVE AT A REASONABLE AMOUNT THAT WASN'T GOING TO BE PUNITIVE AND, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY CREATE FURTHER COMPLICATIONS. BUT BACK ON THIS TWO PLUS BEDROOM MULTIFAMILY AND IT'S 2% AT 1308. I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY BIG HIT. SO MOST DEVELOPMENTS AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR TAREK BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE IN THE AUDIENCE. BUT MOST RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS MULTIFAMILY ARE LARGELY ONE BEDROOM, AND SO THAT'S WHY WHEN WE WERE HAVING THE DISCUSSIONS, THE COMPROMISE WAS TO TAKE IT DOWN TO 1% FOR ONE BEDROOM, BECAUSE THAT IS THE MAJORITY OF THE THE UNIT TYPES CREATED IN DEVELOPMENTS.

TWO BEDROOM AND MORE IS GENERALLY 20 TO 30% OF A DEVELOPMENT.

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OKAY. I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S TONS MORE GRAY HERE THAN WHAT YOU'VE PUT FORTH, AND I APPRECIATE IT.

AND I THINK YOU KNOW, I THINK ANOTHER THING IS, IS CAN YOU STAGGER IT UP? SO THIS YEAR IT'S X, NEXT YEAR IN TWO YEARS IT'S Y.

SO IN OTHER WORDS YOU GET TO THE 1308. BUT MAYBE YOU DON'T DO IT IN YEAR ONE.

SO THE LAW DOES TRACK WITH MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME.

SO IF MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME GOES UP NEXT YEAR, THE FEES WILL ADJUST.

BUT SAY OURS IS AS BELOW WHAT WHERE THE CAP IS.

SO IT'S BELOW THE 2%. SO SAY YOU DO A THOUSAND.

YOU STILL HAVE 1308 TO GET TO. CAN YOU DO IT IN YEAR THREE YOU GO UP TO 1100.

THEN IN YEAR FIVE YOU GO TO 1200 TO GET TO THAT 1308.

AND THEN YOU COULD ADJUST IT MAYBE IN YEAR FIVE TO THE NEW AMI.

AND SO THE AMI IS BASED ON A FIVE YEAR AVERAGE OF THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY.

AND SO WE CAN'T STAGGER WHERE WE'RE SAYING 1308 IS OUR THRESHOLD BECAUSE EVERY SEPTEMBER THE 5TH YEAR UPDATE NUMBERS GET RELEASED.

AND SO RIGHT NOW, EVEN THOUGH DALLAS AVERAGES 65,400 FOR A FIVE YEAR AVERAGE, OUR AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME FOR 2024 IS ACTUALLY $72,000. WE'RE CALCULATING THE FIVE YEAR AVERAGE BASED ON THE STATE.

AND SO IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A CONSISTENTLY MOVING TARGET.

AND SO WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO LIKE BREAK IT UP WHERE THE FEE INCREASES WOULD BE SOMEWHAT SIMILAR.

AND THEN ALSO JUST A REMINDER, THE STATE LAW IMPACTS MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY.

RIGHT NOW SINGLE, I MEAN MULTIFAMILY AND HOTEL MOTEL RIGHT NOW, SINGLE FAMILY WASN'T REALLY CONSIDERED IN THE LAW AND THEY WERE ALREADY PAYING A HIGHER FEE. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO BRING THE FEES UP TO MAKE IT MORE EQUITABLE FOR OTHER USES, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, SINGLE FAMILY USES ARE CARRYING THE BURDEN RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY INHERENTLY PAYING MORE FEES.

AND I SEE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, BUT THEN IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE ALSO NOT, WE'RE ALSO NOW SHIFTING THE BURDEN TO, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S ALL FAIR IN MY PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE SINGLE FAMILY AND THE TWO PLUS DWELLING UNITS BEING THE HIGHEST. AND THEN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, THE MOTEL AND THE ONE BEDROOM, I WOULD SAY MAYBE YOU BRING DOWN ALL THE OTHER ONES AND BRING UP THE OTHER ONE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO YOU'RE BASICALLY GETTING THE SAME AMOUNT AGGREGATE, BUT THE SUBSECTIONS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE, THE THE DELTA IS NOT AS BIG. YEAH. WELL. AGAIN AND SO I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I DON'T KNOW, I'M HAVING A, I'M STILL GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT QUITE A BIT.

AND THE LAST THING WE WANT GOING INTO A POSSIBLE RECESSION IS TO EVEN ADD MORE POSSIBILITY OF A RECESSION IN A TIME WHEN WE NEED MORE UNITS.

AND I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY WANTING MORE PARK MONEY.

I GOT A BIG PARK IN THE MIDDLE OF MY DISTRICT.

BUT ALSO, I DON'T GET THE LUXURY OF ONLY LOOKING AT IT THROUGH X.

I HAVE TO LOOK AT IT THROUGH X, Y, Z. AND THEN I GOT TO GO BACK AND START AT ABC.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IN TERMS OF THE RATE THAT WE SET FOR HOTEL AND MOTEL, THEY'RE HERE FOR SHORT TERM VISITS.

SO IF YOU'RE HERE FOR A WEEK IN DALLAS, WE DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR FOR SOMEONE WHO IS A VISITOR TO PAY AS HIGH AS A RATE.

ALSO FOR MULTI-FAMILY, IF WE WERE TO COMBINE MULTIFAMILY, JUST SAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FLAT FEE, REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS, THE MULTIFAMILY ONE BEDROOM RATE WOULD HAVE PROBABLY WENT UP OVER 120%.

AND SO. WHICH WASN'T REASONABLE. WHICH WASN'T REASONABLE, WHICH IS WHY WE AGREED TO THE 1%.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE 917 FROM TO 1308 IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT 4 57 TO 1308 WOULD HAVE BEEN EVEN MORE. AND BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE THE ORDINANCE PALATABLE AND NOT HAVE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY WERE BEING PRESSED ON FEES, AND WE ALSO RECOGNIZED THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT RAISED FEES RECENTLY.

WE COMPROMISED AND FELL ON THESE NUMBERS BECAUSE WE FELT THAT THESE WOULD BE MORE EASILY DIGESTIBLE THAN JUST CHARGING OR EVEN CHARGING EVERYONE 2% ACROSS THE BOARD, WHICH WOULD HAVE DEFINITELY MADE OUR LIVES EASIER BECAUSE EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE PAID THE SAME THING, BUT EVERYBODY'S FEE INCREASES WOULD HAVE BEEN DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT AS WELL.

OKAY. I MEAN, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE INCREASE, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S 154 AND THEN ON THE TWO BEDROOM IT'S NOT 154, IT'S 400. AND SO THAT'S, I'M GOING TO, BECAUSE, I SEE WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT EASIER AND YOU KNOW AND THEN THE ONE BEDROOM IS 200.

SO I GUESS ANYWAY, I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING. LET ME JUST KIND OF THINK IT OVER.

THANK YOU. SO JUST BEFORE I GET TO CHAIR MORENO, REMIND US HOW WE GOT TO THE 1%.

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2%. I KNOW CPC IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN OUTLIER, BUT ZOAC AND PARK BOARD AND YOU ALL SOMEHOW, I THINK, WORKED WITH OUR DEVELOPER COMMUNITY AND CAME UP WITH A 1%, 2% INITIALLY.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. SO WE'VE ENGAGED CLOSELY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY FROM THE BEGINNING.

AND WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN GREAT PARTNERS. AND SO IT WAS NEVER, IT WAS A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS, NOT A NOT A PROCESS BY WHICH THERE WAS CONFLICT.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE WENT INTO IT AND WE SAID, WE WANT THIS ORDINANCE TO BE REASONABLE.

120% INCREASE IS NOT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, BY HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, THAT'S WHERE WE CAME TO THE TO THE RECOMMENDATION TO ADJUST THE ONE BED MULTIFAMILY DOWN TO 1% ADJUST HOTEL MOTEL DOWN 1%.

BECAUSE IT WOULD, THE PERCENT INCREASE WAS MORE REASONABLE.

SO IT WAS A VERY COLLABORATIVE PROCESS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO GET TO THIS PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY. I KNOW WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF NEGOTIATING AND TALKING, BUT THAT'S THAT WAS SORT OF AN INITIAL.

THAT'S CORRECT. AGREEMENT. OKAY. EXCUSE ME. CHAIR MORENO.

THANK YOU CHAIR. THANK YOU ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I THINK IT WAS VERY THOUGHTFUL AND REASONABLE ON THE FORMULA.

LIKE CHAIR WEST. I, TOO, AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS ORDINANCE, AS I WAS ON PARK BOARD WHEN WE FIRST GOT THIS APPROVED, AND REMEMBER THE MANY, MANY CONVERSATIONS AND WORKING WITH ALL OUR STAKEHOLDERS TO GET TO A POINT WHERE IT BENEFITED BOTH THE PARK SYSTEM AND OUR DEVELOPER COMMUNITY.

AND SO ONE IS, YES, I THINK WHEN IN TWO YEARS WE NEED TO LOOK AT COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND TRY TO BRING THEM IN AND TALK TO THE STATE ON HOW WE CAN DO THAT, AND IN THE FUTURE AS WELL, MAKING SURE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS WENT TO CPC AND WHERE THEY WERE ABLE TO TO CHIME IN ON THE FORMULA CHART. I KIND OF WISH WE WOULD HAVE HAD OUR NEXT BRIEFING BEFORE THIS, WHERE WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT OUR PARK SCORE AND HOW MUCH OUR PARKS HAVE IMPROVED. AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE INVESTMENT THAT THIS CITY HAS DONE AND HOPEFULLY WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

BUT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE COMING INTO SOME TIMES WHERE THE BUDGET IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT.

AND WE'VE ASKED ALL OUR DEPARTMENTS TO LOOK AT CREATIVE WAYS ON HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAINTAINING THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE WHILE WE'RE GROWING OUR PARK SYSTEM, WE'RE CONTINUING TO GROW OUR PARK SYSTEM TO MEET OUR TEN MINUTE WALK CHALLENGE.

AND YOU'VE IDENTIFIED PARK DESERTS? I DO UNDERSTAND IT'S DIFFICULT TO ACTUALLY IDENTIFY WHERE PARKS ARE GOING TO BE LOCATED BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO LET OUR DEVELOPERS OR WHOEVER HAS THAT PROPERTY, LETTING THEM KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME TRY TO ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY AND GIVE THEM A DISADVANTAGE TO THE CITY.

BOTTOM LINE IS, WE COULD HAVE EASILY SAID, LET'S MAKE IT EASY 2% ACROSS THE ENTIRE BOARD AND REALLY MAKE IT EASIER ON STAFF AND THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE THEY WOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.

CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MANY DEVELOPERS HAVE GONE TO THE SUBURBS BECAUSE OF THE PARKLAND DEDICATION? SO DO WE HAVE ANY DATA ON ANY PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN HALTED OR PEOPLE HAVE JUST WALKED AWAY BECAUSE OF THE FEES CURRENTLY. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. AND THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER.

I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE, BUT I'M PLEASED TO FOLLOW UP WITH ECO DEV AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHO MIGHT HAVE SOME SENSE OF THAT.

AND WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON OUR MEMOS THAT WE PROVIDE ON FRIDAYS AND GET YOU SOME RESPONSE.

THANK YOU. AND I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS ARE EXEMPTED AND THAT WE'RE NOT GOING AFTER THOSE UNITS.

BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE FOLKS SAYING, YES, THIS IS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT TO CIRCUMVENT TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE ORDINANCE, AND THEN THEY GO BACK TO MARKET RATE ONCE THEY GET A FEE WAIVED.

AND SO JUST TO GIVE YOU CLEAR DIRECTION, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND THE PARK BOARD RECOMMENDATION.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. CHAIR. MORENO.

CHAIR ARNOLD, DO YOU HAVE NO QUESTIONS AT THE MOMENT? OKAY, CHAIR NARVAEZ. I SEE YOU'VE JOINED US VIRTUALLY.

YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I LIKE EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY SAID SO FAR.

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THE ONLY PORTION THAT I'M REALLY NOT UNDERSTANDING IS WHY WE'RE SO WORRIED ABOUT A HIGHER FEE ON MOTEL HOTEL ROOMS. I CAN TELL YOU THAT I TRAVEL QUITE A BIT.

MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON THE COUNCIL DO AS WELL FOR WHEN WE GO OUT OF TOWN FOR CONFERENCES AND OTHER THINGS.

AND I CAN TELL YOU WHEN I LOOK AT THAT BILL, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY EVER AS GENEROUS AS THE CITY OF DALLAS WHEN IT COMES TO HOTEL MOTEL.

WE ARE AT, I THINK IT'S 15% PLUS 2% FOR THE HOT, FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER FROM THE BRIMER.

AND THEN IF YOU KEEP LOOKING AT OTHER STATES, BILLS, OTHER CITIES, EVEN HOUSTON AND SAN ANTONIO AND AUSTIN, YOU WILL SEE ALL THESE OTHER TAXES OR ALL THESE EXTRAS THAT THEY TAX ON THE HOTEL ROOM.

AND THE CITY OF DALLAS DOESN'T DO THAT. AND I THINK THAT WE'RE DOING A DISSERVICE TO OUR OWN FOLKS.

IF THERE'S AN ABILITY TO CHARGE MORE TO A VISITOR WHO, YES, IS GOING TO SPEND MONEY HERE? AND YES, THEY MAY LOOK AT WHETHER THEY COME HERE OR NOT BASED ON THAT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE ARE GETTING PEOPLE TO COME HERE, NOT BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE OF THE LOWEST TAXES ON OUR HOTEL ROOMS. IT'S BECAUSE DALLAS IS THE PLACE TO BE. DALLAS IS AN EXCITING CITY.

DALLAS HAS EVERYTHING PEOPLE WANT. AND WE ARE GETTING BETTER AT GETTING IT TO BE WALKABLE AND MORE CONNECTED.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE WORKED TOWARDS. SO I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH EVERYTHING EVERYBODY ELSE SAID, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE HOTEL MOTEL. I WOULD GO UP A LITTLE BIT MORE THERE.

AND IN ORDER TO HELP DECREASE THE OTHER PLACES.

AND THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUE, MR. MORENO, FOR BRINGING UP THAT.

I WISH WE WOULD HAVE DONE THE OTHER BRIEFING BEFOREHAND, BECAUSE ONCE PEOPLE SEE HOW MUCH WE HAVE IMPROVED OUR PARK SYSTEM, AND I CAN ONLY TALK ABOUT THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, -14 DAYS HOW AMAZING WE HAVE GOTTEN, HOW MUCH BETTER AND HOW MUCH MORE WE HAVE TO GO A ND IF WE ARE GOING TO GO INTO A RECESSION COMING SOON.

IT'S POSSIBLE AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

BUT IF THAT RECESSION IS COMING, IT'S GOING TO BE SORT OF LIKE THE PANDEMIC AS WELL.

OUR FOLKS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOMEWHERE TO GO AND SOMETHING TO DO, AND IT'S GOING TO BE THE PARKS THAT BECOME OVER UTILIZED AGAIN BECAUSE THEY'RE FREE, THEY'RE PLACES THAT YOU CAN TAKE YOUR KIDS, YOUR FAMILY AND NOT HAVE TO SPEND A FORTUNE IN THE EVENT THAT YOU HAVE NO MONEY FOR ANYTHING ELSE.

AND THE TRAVELERS ARE STILL GOING TO BE TRAVELING.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THAT ONE. AND ALL THE OTHER COMMENTS WERE SPOT ON.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. CHAIR.

CHAIR BAZALDUA OR EXCUSE ME, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM BAZALDUA.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I WANTED TO, GOOD MORNING Y'ALL.

GOOD MORNING. I KNOW THAT Y'ALL SPOKE ABOUT THE LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED LAST SESSION.

I THINK THAT THERE WAS SOME IMPACTFUL LEGISLATION THAT WAS JUST PASSED.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR YET.

I HAVE ASKED REPRESENTATIVE FROM OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS TO COME UP TO ADDRESS THAT.

BUT IF YOU ALL HAVE, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE BILL NUMBER, BUT JUST THIS PAST WEEK, THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT BEFORE IT WAS IT DID GET THROUGH THAT PROHIBITS US FROM ANY INCREASE ON OUR HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX.

I'M NOT SURE OF THE EXACT LANGUAGE, AND I JUST WANTED TO ASK BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT MENTIONED IN AND IT WASN'T DISCUSSED AT ALL THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT YOU ALL HAVE COME THROUGH.

THANK YOU JAKE AND, I KNOW IT WAS A SHORT NOTICE, SO NO WORRIES.

AND I'M SORRY. WILL YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? I JUST WALKED IN IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT. YEAH, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE BILL NUMBER, BUT WE WERE JUST SPEAKING LAST WEEK ABOUT ONE THAT MADE IT THROUGH, THAT I KNOW THE BRIMER SPECIFIC WASN'T TOUCHED, BUT THE INCREASE IN HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS INCLUSIVE OF FEES THAT WE WERE ABLE TO TO MAKE.

AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THIS THE ORDINANCE ITSELF IS MUTE OF ANYTHING FROM THIS PARTICULAR SESSION.

YES. SO JAKE ANDERSON, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS, I BELIEVE YOU'RE REFERRING TO HOUSE BILL 2974 WHICH RELATES TO THIS THIS FUNDING MODEL. IT IS CURRENTLY IN CONFERENCE COMMITTEE BETWEEN THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE.

THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT THAT WAS INCLUDED THAT WOULD LIMIT THE THE WAY THAT WE CAN FINANCE THESE PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD.

IT WOULD SAY THAT WE CAN ONLY USE THIS BRIMER STRUCTURE FOR ONE PROJECT.

AND SO THAT ONE PROJECT, OF COURSE, IS OUR CONVENTION CENTER PROJECT MOVING FORWARD RIGHT NOW.

AND IN THE FUTURE, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE LEGISLATURE IN ORDER TO FUND ANOTHER PROJECT IN A SIMILAR MANNER.

WOULD THAT ONLY BE FOR THE INCREMENTAL INCREASE OF THE BRIMER, OR WOULD THAT BE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL FEES ASSOCIATED WITH HOTEL OCCUPANCY?

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I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT. OKAY.

I ONLY ASK BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE BRINK OF, YOU KNOW, THIS SESSION COMING TO AN END, AND I'D HATE FOR US TO PUT WORK INTO A NEW FEE STRUCTURE FOR THE RUG TO BE PULLED OUT FROM UNDER OUR FEET WHICH HAPPENS EVERY OTHER YEAR ANYWAY, IN OUR STATE.

BUT I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU ALL HAVE PUT INTO IT.

I KNOW THAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ALREADY ADDRESSED SOME OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE AS FAR AS THE PROCESS AND HOW IT GOT TO US.

I THINK THAT IT IS IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGETARY TYPE POLICY DECISIONS THAT THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE MORE LIMITED IN SCOPE. PRIOR TO GETTING TO US, INSTEAD OF HAVING A BAKED CAKE THAT WE HAVE TO GIVE A STAMP OF APPROVAL, I LIKE TO LOOK AT OUR BODY AS THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE CITY, AND MORE THAN JUST A RUBBER STAMP A ND THIS IS A VERY CRITICAL REVENUE COMPONENT.

AND THE POLICY DECISION TO ME IS MORE OF THE PURSE STRINGS.

THAT IS MORE UP TO THIS LEGISLATIVE BODY. AND SO I'M GLAD TO KNOW THAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT.

I DO THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE WORK THAT WE HAVE TO DO BEFORE ACTUALLY SEEING THIS BE APPROVED.

AND I ASK THAT BEFORE THE NEXT STEP IS TAKEN THAT IT IS INCLUSIVE OF ANY POTENTIAL IMPACT THAT WE HAVE NOT CONSIDERED FROM THIS PARTICULAR LEGISLATIVE SESSION. SINCE THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN IN THE MATERIALS.

YES, SIR. WILL DO. THANK YOU. AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM.

LET ME JUST ADD THAT THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION, AS YOU ALL KNOW, DOES END TODAY. AND WE'LL HAVE A FULL BRIEFING FOR YOU GUYS LATER THIS SUMMER. HAPPY [INAUDIBLE] DAY. OKAY, SO I GUESS WHAT I WOULD ASK MY COLLEAGUES TO THINK ABOUT ARE THE TWO DIFFERENT PIECES OF THE ORDINANCE, AND ONE HAS TO DO WITH THE WAY IT IS STATED NOW IS THAT THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS CAN ACQUIRE A PORTION OF THE LAND THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED FOR A PARK. SO THINK ABOUT WHETHER YOU WANT THE THAT DISCRETION TO LIE SOLELY WITH THE DIRECTOR, OR IF YOU WOULD PREFER A MORE MUTUALLY AGREED PROCESS, WHERE WE BRING THE DEVELOPER AND THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS INTO THAT DECISION TOGETHER AND GIVE THEM SOME PARAMETERS AROUND WHICH TO MAKE THEIR DECISION.

SO I WOULD ASK FOR Y'ALL'S FEEDBACK ON THAT. AND THEN ON THE FEES, I THINK WE'VE WE'VE GOT A LITTLE MORE THOUGHT PROCESS AND WORK TO DO ON THIS.

IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS? DIRECTOR O'CONNOR, ANY CLOSING MESSAGE? NO, I JUST I'M REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF ALL THE FEEDBACK.

THERE IS OBVIOUSLY MORE WORK TO DO, BUT WE APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS AND THE SENTIMENT.

OKAY. EXCUSE ME. CHAIR. DO WE HAVE A TIMETABLE THAT WE NEED TO GET THIS? WELL, I MEAN, THERE IS NOT A HARD AND FAST DEADLINE, YOU KNOW, IN STATE LAW OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND THIS IS AFFECTING REVENUE.

SO YOU KNOW, IT'S IN OUR COLLECTIVE BEST INTEREST TO, TO MOVE EXPEDITIOUSLY TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE ON THIS, BUT BALANCING THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED.

SO DIRECTLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. NOT A NOT A SORT OF MANDATE FOR A TIMELINE, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO CONTINUE TO MAKE PROGRESS. THANK YOU. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. SO BEFORE WE GET INTO BRIEFING MEMOS, I WANTED TO DO THIS EARLIER. I WANT TO RECOGNIZE WE HAVE TWO OF OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO THIS IS THEIR LAST MEETING.

I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO CELEBRATE AT LUNCH, BUT CHAIR NARVAEZ AND CHAIR ARNOLD, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T STOP AND THANK BOTH OF YOU FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO THIS COMMITTEE OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS-ISH.

MISS ARNOLD, YOUR BRINGING THE EQUITY CONCERN TO THE FOREFRONT OF SO MANY OF OUR CONVERSATIONS HAS BEEN A VERY, VERY VALUABLE PERSPECTIVE, I THINK. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR ENERGY AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO THAT ISSUE AND TO MAKING SURE THAT OUR PARKS, ANY OF OUR PARKS, TRAILS OR ENVIRONMENT DECISIONS ARE MADE IN THE CONTEXT OF OUR EQUITY CONCERNS.

AND CHAIR NARVAEZ. THANK YOU FOR CCAP AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT GO WITH THAT.

YOUR WORK ON THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. AND ALSO, THANK YOU FOR BEING MY INFORMAL GUIDE AND PARLIAMENTARIAN.

AT LEAST THE FIRST SEVERAL MONTHS YOU SAT RIGHT HERE ON MY LEFT SIDE AND JUST WERE VERY, VERY THOUGHTFUL AND,

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AND UNDERSTANDING. YOU HAD A, WE HAD A NEWBIE HERE, A REAL NEWBIE, AND NEEDED SOME, SOME ASSISTANCE.

SO I APPRECIATE FROM A PERSONAL ASPECT YOUR JUST YOUR GUIDANCE AND YOUR WISDOM AND, AND I AGAIN, REALLY THANK EACH OF YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND CONTRIBUTION.

IT'S YOU'VE MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE AT THE CITY OF DALLAS AND ESPECIALLY IN THIS BODY.

AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO. OKAY. WELL LET ME JUST SAY THIS.

YES AND I WANT TO PUT THIS ON THE RECORD AND I APPRECIATE YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR.

BUT FOR ME AN THE SERVICE, I AM ASKING THAT THAT NO SPECIAL RECOGNITION OR SHOUT OUTS ARE GIVEN.

I CONTINUE TO SERVE AND HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE WITH THIS WITH YOU AS A CHAIR.

BUT FOR ME, I DON'T WANT ANY SPECIAL RECOGNITIONS OR ANYTHING THAT PEOPLE HAVE SENT ME.

THEY KNOW WHAT I'VE DONE AND THOSE WHO HAVE THANKED ME WORKED WITH ME THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.

I APPRECIATE AND I KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND I KNOW WHO EVERYBODY IS, SO I APPRECIATE THE WORK WITH YOU.

BUT THANK YOU FOR THINKING ABOUT ME. BUT THERE IS NOTHING ELSE THAT I NEED.

THANK YOU. UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY, LET'S GET INTO BRIEFING MEMOS HERE.

SO THIS IS A GREAT ONE. OUR PARK SCORE HAS GONE UP.

FOUR POINTS. SO WE'VE MOVED FROM SPOT NUMBER 38.

SPOT NUMBER 34. AND I WANTED YOU GUYS TO SEE IF I CAN FIND MY NOTES TO LOOK AT HOW THAT GETS DECIDED.

I MEAN, THAT IS A MATTER OF ACCESSIBILITY. IT'S A MATTER OF JUST THE NUMBER OF ACRES THAT WE HAVE.

SO THE PARK SCORE IS BUILT UP, BUILT FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS, AND WE ARE MAKING HUGE IMPROVEMENTS IN ALL OF THOSE AREAS.

SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ THAT MEMO AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO CELEBRATE AROUND HERE.

OUR NEW PARK SCORE OF 34. AND THEN LET'S SEE OUR OTHER MEMO.

I HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THIS IS. OH YES. CHAIR MORENO.

ON THAT PARTICULAR MEMO, CAN WE GET A BREAKDOWN OF THE PARK BUDGET? JUST TO SEE WHERE WE WERE, HOW THAT RANKING HAS GONE UP AND IF THE BUDGET HAS MOVED UP OR DOWN.

YOU'RE ASKING IF WE CAN. I'M SORRY. WOULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION, PLEASE? SO, I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE IF IT WOULD BE THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE OR THE PARK DEPARTMENT, BUT IF THEY COULD GET US A COMPARABLE BETWEEN THE BUDGET AND THE PARK SCORE.

SO WE CAN SEE THE RETURN ON ON THAT INVESTMENT LIKE YEAR AFTER YEAR AND THEN CORRESPONDING TO THE THE RANKING.

CORRECT? SURE. THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR. YES. I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AS WELL.

I JUST I DO WANT TO GIVE KUDOS WHERE KUDOS IS DUE AND SAY CONGRATULATIONS.

FOR THE INCREASE IN PARK SCORE. I DO ALSO WANT TO JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE IS SEEMS TO BE SOMEWHAT OF A LOWER SCORE ON THE COMPONENT OF INVESTMENT, AND I WANT US TO BE VERY WEARY ABOUT HOW WE CONTINUE TO INVEST MOVING FORWARD.

I HAVE BEEN A BROKEN RECORD TO DISCUSS THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.

I HAVE A VERY SHINING EXAMPLE OF THE 277 ACRES OF FAIR PARK, AS WHAT I'D LIKE TO ALWAYS BRING INTO THIS CONVERSATION.

WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO POUND INVESTMENT INTO INCREASING AND EXPANDING OUR PARK SYSTEM, AND NOT TAKE CARE OF WHAT EXISTS IN IT.

NOW I SEE A TRAJECTORY OF THIS SCORE BEING SKEWED IN ANOTHER DIRECTION.

IF WE ALLOW FOR THAT INEQUITY TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN.

SO I JUST ENCOURAGE OUR PARKS BOARD AND OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT IN LOOKING AT THAT INVESTMENT LINE ON HOW WE CAN INVEST IN WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE INSTEAD OF CONTINUING TO PUT NEW SHINY IN FRONT OF OUR FACE.

LET'S TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE'VE GOT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. ABSOLUTELY. VERY GOOD POINT.

VERY GOOD. DEPUTY DIRECTOR O'CONNOR, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. I JUST WANTED TO JUST REALLY WANTED TO KIND OF TOOT OUR COLLECTIVE HORN, SO TO SPEAK. GETTING THE TOP PARK ACCESS PERCENTAGE IN TEXAS HAS BEEN A LONG ROAD.

OF COURSE, WE'RE TECHNICALLY TIED WITH PLANO, BUT I'M CLAIMING THAT WE'RE FIRST.

YOU KNOW, IS, AS YOU ALL WILL REMEMBER, WE STARTED AT ABOUT 54% NOT THAT LONG AGO.

AND BY THE PROACTIVE PROGRAMS, THINGS LIKE THE GREENING INITIATIVE PARKS, THINGS LIKE THE THE PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, WE HAVE MADE DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENT.

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AND IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ALL BE PROUD OF.

BEING AN 81% ALTHOUGH IT'S, IT'S FAR FROM SOME OTHER CITIES.

GIVEN THE FACT OF OUR DEVELOPMENT AND HOW OUR CITY HAS GROWN, 81% IS SOMETHING REALLY TO BE PROUD OF.

AND SO JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO, TO TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.

AND I JUST WANT TO ALSO SAY, MR. O'CONNOR, I IN NO WAY WANTING TO DISCOUNT WHERE WE CAN BE PROUD.

I DEFINITELY WANT TO BE PROUD. I THINK GOOD LEADERSHIP IS ALWAYS GOING TO TAKE IN, YOU KNOW, THE WINS AND BEING ABLE TO CELEBRATE THAT. BUT ALL THAT IS, IS A RESET ON HOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO GROW AND GET BETTER.

AND SO THAT'S THAT'S THE ONLY FEEDBACK THAT I WANT YOU TO TAKE AWAY FROM MY COMMENTS.

AND JUST ON WHAT I WOULD LOOK AT AS A PRIORITY AND WHAT IS IN FRONT OF US.

BUT IN NO WAY DOES THAT. IS THAT MEANT TO DIMINISH THE WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING, OR THE SUPPORT THAT YOU HAVE FROM THIS COUNCIL FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT ? UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHAIR WEST.

IF YOU CAN STICK AROUND FOR A SECOND, I WANT TO JUST COMMEND YOU AS WELL.

I'VE BEEN WATCHING THE PROGRESS SINCE I CAME ON COUNCIL, AND IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO SEE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE EVERY YEAR HAVE ACCESS TO PARKS WITHIN A TEN MINUTE WALK, I LOVE IT. AND I'LL JUST SAY TALKING ABOUT THIS ITEM SPECIFICALLY, BUT WITH THE LAST ONE AS WELL, IS AS STAFF COMES UP WITH SOME IDEAS ON HOW WE CAN HAVE PRIORITY AREAS OF WHERE YOU WOULD REQUIRE A DEVELOPER TO TO BUILD A PARK VERSUS PUT MONEY INTO THE INTO THE OVERALL FUND.

I MEAN, I THINK I'M NOT SAYING USE THIS, BUT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE, THE TRUST FOR PUBLIC LAND OF A YEAR AFTER YEAR DATA SOURCE THAT WE KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE. IT'S A NATIONAL ORGANIZATION. IT'S RELIABLE.

AND IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD USE AS A BASELINE TO GET STARTED FROM MAYBE COUPLING THAT WITH THE HEAT ISLAND AND SEEING WHERE THOSE INTERSECT.

BUT THAT WOULD BE JUST AN IDEA. I KNOW YOU PROBABLY ALREADY THOUGHT OF THAT, BUT I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS MEMO? MADAM CHAIR.

CHAIR. YES, CHAIR NARVAEZ. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND COLLEAGUES.

FIRST, CONGRATULATIONS. MOVING UP TO FOUR SPOTS.

I KNOW IT'S HUGE. IT'S A HUGE JUMP. IT IT SPEAKS TO EVERYTHING THAT THE NEW DIRECTION HAS GONE INTO.

SO CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR PARK BOARD MEMBERS AS WELL.

AND EVERY SINGLE PERSON FROM DIRECTOR JENKINS ALL THE WAY THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION TO PARK AND RECREATION HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS .

WHEN IT COMES TO MOVING UP I REMEMBER CHIEF GARCIA SAYING THAT WHEN WE STARTED REDUCING VIOLENT CRIME HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS , THAT HE SAID, WE'RE NOT ALL PREPARED, WE'RE NOT PREPARING AND GETTING READY TO DO A TOUCHDOWN DANCE.

WE KNOW WE'VE STILL GOT MORE TO DO, BUT WE'RE GOING TO CELEBRATE THE WINS TODAY.

BUT WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE CREATING THE PLAYS FOR TOMORROW BECAUSE THERE'S NO PLACE BUT NUMBER ONE FOR US TO BE THE SAFEST CITY IN AMERICA.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE GOAL OF THE PARK AND RECREATION.

HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS . SO CELEBRATE TODAY AND JUST KNOW THAT THE GAME IS STILL GOING, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ALL ADVANCE, EVEN EVEN BIGGER AND BETTER.

I ONLY HAVE THREE PARK DESERTS LEFT IN DISTRICT SIX, THE SECOND LARGEST DISTRICT IN THE CITY AS FAR AS LAND GOES.

I HAD FOUR. HAROLD SIMMONS PARK IS TAKEN CARE OF THAT OVER THERE ON WEST COMMERCE STREET.

I'VE GOT FISH TRAP, WHICH YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT, AND I HAVE A PIECE OF LAND READY FOR THAT.

IF WE CAN GET GAF TO GO. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME MORE DESIGN DISTRICT NORTH, WHICH HAROLD SIMMONS PARK DESIGN DISTRICT NORTH OVERLOOK WOULD ALSO GET THAT ONE HANDLED. SO REALLY I HAVE ONE LEFT. BUT THE REST OF THE CITY ALSO NEEDS TO MAKE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THOSE PARK DESERTS, TOO, BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING BETTER AND BETTER AND BETTER AT IT. SO CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN.

WE'RE STILL NUMBER ONE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

NOW LET'S GO AFTER THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU CHAIR.

THANK YOU CHAIR NARVAEZ. WE HAVE LOST YOUR VIDEO.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN CAN GET BACK ON. OKAY.

I BELIEVE WE WILL MOVE. OH, JUST QUICKLY, I JUST IN LOOKING AT THE EXCUSE ME TRUST FOR PUBLIC LANDS PARK SCORE.

I DID WANT TO MAKE SURE I ON THE RECORD. I ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT WE UNDERSTAND, EVEN WITH THE TRUST AND THEIR LAND AND THE WORK THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO IN THE, IN THE CITY AND HAVE DONE AND I THANK THEM FOR THAT.

AND OF COURSE, IT DOES TAKE US A WHILE. WE HAVE ANOTHER PARK THAT WE'RE WORKING ON WITH TPL WITH MOLLY.

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BUT AN HER TEAM IS WE'VE STILL GOT SOME THINGS WE'VE GOT TO DO IN TERMS OF JUST WORKING OUT A PLAN THAT BEST SUITS OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE PARKS COMING IN.

HOW DOES IT BEST SERVE A COMMUNITY AND MAKING SURE AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN AN ADVOCATE HERE AND THERE WORKING WITH US.

AND I'LL CALL OUT THOSE NAMES QUICKLY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITIES THAT DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO PARKS HAVE EQUITY. AND THAT IS WHAT OUR CONCERN IS, IS WE HAVE ONE.

AND I'M GOING TO KEEP PUSHING THAT. WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE IN THE GLEN OAKS AREA TO HAVE PARKS, BUT NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE LOS COBOS DOES NOT HAVE.

AND THIS IS WHY WE ARE WORKING AND CONTINUING TO WORK WITH WITH THIS GROUP TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE, BECAUSE IT MAKES NO SENSE TO HAVE A COMMUNITY BUILT AND THE CHILDREN DON'T HAVE A PLACE.

AND SO THEY'VE BEEN LISTENING AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT. BUT JUST IN CLOSING, I THANK SO MUCH THE AND DO NOTE ALSO THE COMMENTS THAT THAT THE COLLEAGUE HAS MADE ABOUT MAKING SURE WE ALSO TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE HAVE AND WE NOT NEGLECT. AND THERE ARE SOME PARTS THAT, BECAUSE OF THEIR ADVOCACY, THEY CONTINUE TO GET MORE AND MORE OF OUR TAX DOLLARS. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS AND THOSE WHO HAVE A NEED FOR IT, GET THAT ATTENTION. WE THANK DOCTOR JENKINS FOR HIS LEADERSHIP.

AND, OF COURSE, YOU, MR. O'CONNOR, WHO ARE ALWAYS COOL, CALM AND COLLECTED.

MR. JENKINS AS WELL, TOO. BUT I SOMETIMES, SINCE HE'S NOT HERE, I'LL SAY YOU ARE A LITTLE BIT COOLER AND CALMER.

[LAUGHTER] BUT YOU YOU LISTEN TO ME QUITE A BIT.

AND REALLY HE DOES TOO. SO I HAD TO. MAYBE I'LL BRING HIM OUT FROM THE BACK IF I TELL HIM THAT.

BUT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN PHENOMENAL WITH YOUR LEADERSHIP MISS ROSS AND EVERYONE ELSE.

AND I START CALLING NAMES, I GET IN TROUBLE. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS.

AND TO YOU, CHAIR PARK BOARD, I CAN PARK DEPARTMENT.

I CONTINUE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP. I TEASE THAT TEAM BECAUSE AND WHEN I CALL THAT ROSA'S NAME TOO THEY'RE ALWAYS WORKING.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT WHEN I CALL ABOUT PARKS THEY'RE ALWAYS THERE.

AND SO AS I TEASE THEM, ALSO, EVEN DURING THE PANDEMIC, I THINK SOME OF THEM ARE WORKING IN THE BUILDING.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THEY WENT HOME. BUT FOR THE PARKS THAT WE NEEDED, SUCH AS THE ROLAND PARISH PARKS, THAT CONTINUES TO TAKE WORK WE NEEDED THEM. AND THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR US.

SO MISS JOHNSON AND EVERYONE WHO'S BEEN THERE FOR US, PLEASE, FOR THE RECORD AND SHARE WITH THEM.

I DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THEY ANSWERED OUR CALL.

THEY ANSWERED THE TELEPHONE. THEY SHOWED UP JUST RECENTLY.

WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THE HARD WORK OF OUR INDIVIDUALS WHETHER WE GO TO SHANIQUA AND APRIL AND EVERYONE ELSE, ELOISE LUNDY WHEN THE UNVEILING. AND MANY OF YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT IS THAT WAS A WORK LONG, LONG, LONG OVERDUE. SO I COULD MOVE FORWARD AND ADD MORE TIDBITS IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING. BUT HOLISTICALLY, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I THANK YOU ALL AND LET YOU KNOW THAT WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR WORK, AND I'M ASKING THAT YOU ALL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS WHO NEED YOU THE MOST.

AS WE SHARE IN THIS CITY THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND THE NATION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR ARNOLD. OKAY. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? QUESTIONS? COMMENTS ON THE PARK SCORE? NO, I THINK I THINK WE'RE DONE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, RYAN. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE SECOND BRIEFING MEMO.

HAS COMES FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF SANITATION SERVICES.

IT'S ABOUT A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT WE NEED TO PURCHASE FOR MCCOMMAS BLUFF LANDFILL.

WE'LL BE VOTING ON THIS JUNE 11TH. IT'S FOR THE PURCHASE OF A HIGH CAPACITY SPRAYER FOR THE LANDFILL TO PROVIDE THE DAILY COVER THAT'S REQUIRED BY TCEQ. SO JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT MEMO. IT'LL BE GOOD FOR YOU TO HAVE THAT BEFORE WE MOVE TO JUNE THE 11TH.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE FORECAST, OUR AGENDA FOR AUGUST WILL BE SKATE PARKS AND TWO, AN UPDATE ON TWO OF OUR MEETINGS IN AUGUST.

I DON'T KNOW, WE'RE FORECASTING OUT TO AUGUST.

SO WE'RE. WELL, I'M GOING TO FORECAST OUT TO AUGUST AND I'M VERY.

GOALS ONE AND TWO. ALL RIGHT. WE NOW MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

AND IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, IT'S THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE AGENDA THAT I NEED TO READ.

SO I'LL START READING THIS WHILE WE START MOVING AND GATHERING IN OUR SPOT FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION.

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SO WE ARE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS OR DELIBERATE COMMERCIAL OR FINANCIAL INFORMATION THAT THE CITY HAS RECEIVED FROM A BUSINESS PROSPECT OR (“PROJECT X3”) THAT THE CITY SEEKS TO HAVE, LOCATE, STAY, EXPAND IN OR NEAR THE CITY OF DALLAS AND WITH WHICH THE CITY IS CONDUCTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS. TWO TO DELIVER DELIBERATE THE OFFER OF FINANCIAL OR OTHER INCENTIVE IN CONNECTION WITH PROJECT X THREE DELIBERATE THE PURCHASE, EXCHANGE, LEASE OR VALUE OF REAL PROPERTY. IF DELIBERATION IN AN OPEN MEETING WOULD HAVE EFFECT ON THE POSITION OF THE CITY AND NEGOTIATIONS WITH A THIRD PERSON IN CONNECTION WITH PROJECT X3 AND FOUR SEEK THE ADVICE OF ITS ATTORNEY ON THIS MATTER.

AND WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

OKAY. AT AT 10:59 ON JUNE 2ND, 2025, WE'VE RETURNED FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION AND I ADJOURN THE JUNE 2ND MEETING OF PARKS, TRAILS AND THE ENVIRONMENT.

CORRECT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.