* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON. [Landmark Commission Meeting on June 2, 2025] UH, IT IS 1 0 6 ON JUNE 2ND, 2025, AND I'M CALLING THIS MEETING OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION OF DALLAS INTO ORDER. UM, I'M THE CHAIR, BLA MONTGOMERY. DAVID PREZI IS SERVING AS OUR VICE CHAIR TODAY. UM, AND ELAINE, WOULD WE HAVE A QUORUM OF, UM, COMMISSIONERS HERE? WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL A ROLL CALL OF THEM? DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER SHERMAN WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY. DISTRICT TWO, COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY PRESENT, DISTRICT THREE. COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN. PRESENT? DISTRICT FOUR. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR PRESENT, DISTRICT FIVE. COMMISSIONER OFFIT. PRESENT? DISTRICT SIX. COMMISSIONER HENO HOSA. DISTRICT SEVEN. COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON. DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER PRESENT? DISTRICT NINE. COMMISSIONER RENO. PRESENT. DISTRICT 11. UH, COMMISSIONER GAY. PRESENT? DISTRICT 12. COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER. PRESENT? DISTRICT 13. COMMISSIONER POSI PRESENT. DISTRICT 14. COMMISSIONER HARPER PRESENT. COMMISSIONER REEVES PRESENT. AND COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS PRESENT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HENO HOSA IS ALSO HERE NOW. SHE IS ONLINE COMMISSIONER HENO HOSA. DISTRICT SIX PRESENT. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. SO I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN, WE HAVE A FEW ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE DISCUSSION AGENDA THAT SEEM TO HAVE ALREADY BEEN, UM, TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE EASILY TO, TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THEIR APPROVAL. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST MOVING SOME OF THEM OVER TO CONSENT SO THAT SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, THE FIRST OF THESE, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE MOVE DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER TWO TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. IT WAS PUT ON DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT WAS ORIGINALLY A PAINT COLOR SCHEME, NOT STRICTLY IN KEEPING WITH THE ORDINANCE GOVERNING THAT HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND, BUT NOW NEW COLORS HAVE BEEN CHOSEN AND THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THEY BE APPROVED. SO, UM, DO I HAVE A SECOND TO MOVE THAT TO CONSENT? SECOND. THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL BE MOVING. DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER TWO OVER TO CONSENT AGENDA AND PROBAB FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE. THE NEXT ONE IS DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER SIX. IT IS A SIMILAR CASE IN THAT ORIGINALLY SOME PAINT COLORS WERE, UM, REQUESTED THAT DID NOT, NOT STRICTLY MEET THE SWISS AVENUE ORDINANCE, BUT NOW REVISED PAINT COLORS HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED FOR APPROVAL BY STAFF. THERE ARE FOUR PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE, BUT STAFF HAS TOLD US, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE DID NOT. WE'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON THE ORIGINAL ONES AND THEY'RE PERFECTLY HAPPY NOW WITH WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. SO, DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THIS? ONE SECOND. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER FOR YOUR SECOND. UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, I HAVE, I HAVE ANOTHER ONE. UM, DISCUSSION. ITEM 13 IS FOR, UM, SOME NEW PAVERS ON A, UH, AT A LOCATION THAT WE HAVE SEEN MANY TIMES BEFORE AND THEN HAVE COMPLETED THE WORK THAT WE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. WE DID, UM, DURING OUR BRIEFING, WE DID NOT SEEM TO HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT IS PROPOSED AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE APPROVE IT. SO I PROPOSE THAT WE MOVE THAT ONE TO CONSENT AS WELL. SECOND, THANK YOU AGAIN. COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER. SHE'S GONNA KNOW HOW TO SPELL COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER BY THE TIME CHIEF ACTS THAT IN THE MINUTES D 13. OKAY. AND, UM, LEMME CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. AND I ALMOST FORGOT IT ALSO APPEARED THAT D FOUR, WHICH IS A REQUEST TO PUT SOME, UM, CARPORTS BEHIND AN APARTMENT BUILDING, THAT THAT DID NOT GENERATE ANY CONCERN AMONG US. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD ALSO MOVE THOSE? SO I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE MOVE D FOUR TO CONSENT ALSO. IS THERE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? I'LL SECOND IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO NO COMMENTS. I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MOVING D FOUR TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? YES. YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. SO WE HAVE NOW DISPOSED OF D 2, 4, 6, AND 13 IN THAT WE ARE MOVING THEM OVER TO CONSENT, AND WHEN WE VOTE ON CONSENT, THEY WILL GET THEIR PASS THROUGH. NOW WE GO TO OUR VICE CHAIR TO TELL US HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THAT. . [00:05:01] OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I MOVE THAT WE ARRANGE THE AGENDA TO THE FOLLOWING. UH, LET'S SEE. CR ONE, CR TWO, CR THREE. DISCUSSION ITEM ONE. DISCUSSION ITEM FIVE, DISCUSSION SEVEN, DISCUSSION 12. UH, DISCUSSION. 8, 9, 10, 11, AND THREE. ALRIGHT, DOES THAT, DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THIS MOTION? SURE. SURE. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE 1, 2, 3, AND D, 1, 5, 7, 12, 8, 9, 7, 11. SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER AND, UM, FOR OUR VISITORS. WE DO THIS, UM, TO MOVE FORWARD, THOSE THAT HAVE SPEAKERS, UM, AND HAVE THE MOST SPEAKERS AND TRY TO, TRYING TO GET THE FEWEST POSSIBLE PEOPLE SITTING THROUGH STUFF THEY DIDN'T WANNA COME HERE. , WE TRY, BUT CAN'T PROMISE AN ENTERTAINING DAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THEN CONSENT A AGENDA, COMMISSIONER CHRISI AGENDA. WE HAVE, UH, FOUR CASES, UH, TWO, THREE PRESENT AND, AND D, 2, 4, 6, AND 13. . WE JUST DID THAT. YEAH. P FOUR D SIX. UH, FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO STAFF RECOMMENDATION ACCORDING TO STAFF P. ALRIGHT, SECOND. SECOND. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. SO ALL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, INCLUDING THE FOUR WILL BE LOCATED THERE. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH WERE IN EVERY CASE A FORM OF APPROVAL. SO ANYBODY WHO WAS HERE FOR THAT OR LISTENING ONLINE, GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT. GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. WE DID, YEAH. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT OUT IN PUBLIC. THANKS. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL TO ME. MADAM CHAIR? YES. CAN YOU MAKE CERTAIN THAT COMMISSIONER PRE'S MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON? IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS PICKING HIM UP MAYBE ELSEWHERE. OH, NOW? YES. THANK YOU. I DID NOT HAVE THAT ON. YES, HE MAY HAVE ONLY BEEN HEARD THROUGH MINE. THAT'S POSSIBLE. WE WILL, WE WILL PUBLICLY CORRECT HIM ON THAT. . ALRIGHT, THAT MEANS OUR FIRST CASE THAT STAFF NEEDS TO READ OR THAT WE WILL BE DISCUSSING IS COURTESY REVIEW ONE. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF STAFF COURTESY REVIEW. ITEM CR ONE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 2326 DAF STREET. IT'S IN QUEEN CITY, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER PRE-DESIGN MORATORIUM. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 DASH 50. THE REQUEST, IT'S A COURTESY REVIEW, IS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A DETACHED REAR TWO CAR GARAGE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION, SINCE IT'S A COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED. THAT A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A DETACHED REAR TWO CAR GARAGE, BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FROM LANDMARK PERMISSION REVIEW, TASK FORCE FEEDBACK, COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS. NUMBER ONE, DETACHED GARAGE FROM MAIN BUILDING. NUMBER TWO, PROVIDE ALL FOUR ELEVATIONS FOR REVIEW. NUMBER THREE, FRONT EXTERIOR DOOR SHOULD BE CRAFTSMAN. STYLE NUMBER FOUR, PORCH DEPTH SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF SIX FEET BEHIND PORCH COLUMNS. NUMBER FIVE, THERE SHOULD BE A MINIMUM FOUR INCH TRIM PIECE BETWEEN PAIRED WINDOWS. NUMBER SIX, EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS. NUMBER SEVEN, MAIN BUILDING. SHOULD HAVE TWO GABLES, ONE OVER THE FRONT PORCH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND WE DO HAVE, UM, A SPEAKER SIGNED UP FOR THIS JOSEPH RAY. HE IS ONLINE. UM, IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE COMING UP EITHER. [00:10:01] OKAY. I SEE THE NAME NOW. UH, MR. MSRE, WE DO NEED YOU TO BE ON CAMERA. IT IS A STATE LAW, SO WE MAKE SURE IT'S REALLY HUG SAYING THESE WORDS AND NOT I POSSIBLE. AND THERE YOU ARE. OKAY, SIR, WOULD YOU PLEASE START OFF BY GIVING US YOUR FULL NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS? UH, JOSEPH REYES, 2326 DAVE STREET. OKAY. AND DO YOU, UM, WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. YOU CAN LIE TO US, BUT A CURTIS REVIEW, BUT WHEN YOU COME BACK FOR A CA YOU WILL HAVE TO PROMISE ME. YOU WILL TELL ME THE TRUTH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US A BIT MORE ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? UM, SO IT'S ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH. UM, IT MEETS ALL OF THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR QUEEN CITY. I DID A PROJECT BEFORE, UM, ON DAY STREET, BUT IT WAS ON THE OTHER END OF DAY STREET. AND, UM, SO REALLY ALL THE SAME STUFF. CRAFTSMAN STYLE, OUTDOOR. UM, SO I, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE AND I PRETTY MUCH KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR. AND SO MY, MY PLANS SHOW THAT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WITH THIS ONE AND THEN THE OTHER ONES IS, UM, I HAVE A DETACHED GARAGE, UM, ON THIS PARTICULAR SET OF PLANS. OKAY. UM, ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW, SO WE'RE TO WE TO GIVE YOU SOME OPINIONS THAT MIGHT HELP MAKE THIS BUILDING FIT WELL INTO THE HISTORIC AREA COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER? NO, I HAVE A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, NO, I APPRECIATE ALL THE, THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE ON THE ELEVATIONS, ADDING THE DETAILS AND, UM, UH, WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, ALL THE PROPORTIONS AND EVERYTHING. I, I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON THAT. UH, ONE ADDITIONAL, OR THERE'S A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, SUGGESTIONS. I'VE GOT, UM, ONE, SO IT, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE PLAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THE COVERED PORCH, THE COL, THE INNER COLUMN, THE ONE THAT'S ALMOST IN THE CENTER OF THE HOUSE, IT'S OUTSIDE CORNER, IS, IS, LOOKS LIKE IT'S TOUCHING THE OUTSIDE CORNER OF THE PORCH. UM, WHAT I'D PROPOSE TO HELP CLEAN UP SOME OF THAT GEOMETRY, BECAUSE ACTUALLY WHEN YOU LOOK UP AT THE CEILING AND THE WAY THE HEADERS COME IN, IT'LL BE A LITTLE ODD. IT'S NOT A CLEAN RECTANGLE. SO, UM, WHAT I'D SUGGEST IS THAT YOU EXTEND THE PORCH ANOTHER ABOUT ANOTHER SIX INCHES TO PULL THE COLUMN AWAY FROM THAT CORNER, AND THEN PUSH THE COLUMN AND THE, AND THE ROOF SO THAT IT, THAT, LET'S SEE, THE LEFT HAND CORNER MATCHES THE INTERIOR CORNER OF THE PORT. SO IT COMES IN AND SITS IN FRONT OF THE PROJECTION RATHER THAN NEXT TO IT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE IN PLAN? I KNOW IT'S HARD TO PUT IT ALL IN WORDS. INSTEAD OF DRAWING A PICTURE. YEAH. SO, OKAY. MAYBE THE SIMPLEST WAY TO SAY IS THAT OKAY IF YOU PULL THE, THE, THE FRONT FACE OF THE PORCH, SIX INCHES MORE TOWARD US, TOWARD THE STREET. OKAY. AND THEN YOU, YOU PULL THAT, YOU PUSH THAT INTERIOR COLUMN TO THE RIGHT SO THAT IT LINES UP SO THAT THE, UM, THE INSIDE OF THE PORCH LINES UP WITH THE COLUMN AND IT LINES UP WITH THE PORCH ITSELF. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO YOU SAID THE INTERIOR COLUMN PROBABLY JUST MOVE IT A FOOT A, A SIX INCHES TOWARD US AND THEN A FOOT TO THE RIGHT FOOT TO THE RIGHT INTERIOR. YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT'S ONE. IT'LL CLEAN UP ALL THE GEOMETRY AND, AND, UM, IT'LL LOOK NICE FROM, FROM THE PORCH OR FROM THE INSIDE OF THE PORCH. ONE OTHER SUGGESTION IS THE PAIR, THE, THE PAIR OF WINDOWS, UM, THAT'S IN THE LIVING ROOM. IT'S A LITTLE TOO CLOSE TO THE CORNER. UM, IT'S ALWAYS NICER TO HAVE THE GAP, UM, AT A CORNER WIDER THAN A GAP BETWEEN, INTO, OF YOUR INTERIOR PIECES. SO SAY LIKE, IF YOU MOVED AT ABOUT 18 INCHES TO THE, TO THE LEFT, TO THE RIGHT, UM, THEN IT WOULD BE NICE AND HAPPY AND BALANCED INSIDE THE, THE PORCH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FRONT WINDOW NEXT TO THE DOOR? YES, SIR. YES, SIR. THE FRONT ONE, THE FRONT PAIR UNDERNEATH THE PORCH ITSELF. AND YOU WANNA MOVE IT TO THE RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S JUST REALLY CLOSE RIGHT NOW TO THE CORNER. WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK INSIDE, I KNOW WHEN YOU'RE INSIDE THE ROOM, YOU'RE MATCHING IT BOTH ON THE, THE LEFT WALL AND THEN ON THE FRONT WALL. BUT, UM, YEAH, JUST NUDGING IT OVER ABOUT PROBABLY A FOOT TO 18 INCHES TO THE RIGHT WILL BE A NICER GEOMETRY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. UM, I WAS WONDERING WHAT THE MATERIAL IS OF THE GARAGE DOOR ITSELF. WAS THAT METAL OR WAS THAT SOME OTHER ON THE GARAGE DOOR? UH, YES SIR. GO BACK AND LOOK. LEMME SEE. LEMME GO BACK AND LOOK. [00:15:03] I TRIED TO SEE THE MATERIAL AS IT WAS CALLED OUT, BUT I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT. MAYBE I JUST , I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE PICKED THE MATERIAL FOR THE GARAGE DOOR. IT'S GONNA BE WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH WHATEVER Y'ALL, Y'ALL WANT TO SEE ON THE GARAGE DOOR. I GOTCHA. UM, 'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THE PANELS, IT'S PROBABLY A PRESSED METAL DOOR. PRESSED METAL DOOR. WELL, I'M JUST IMAGINING IF THAT'S WHAT IT IS, IF IT'S PROBABLY A, A ALUMINUM JUST FROM THE, THE DRAWING, I COULDN'T, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING THAT REALLY SAYS WHAT IT IS. YEAH. AND IT'S NOT, UH, COMING UP OVER HERE. HOLD ON. YEAH, WE HADN'T SPECIFIED WHAT THE MATERIAL'S GONNA BE ON THE DOOR. YEAH, ON THE GARAGE. SO I, I KNOW IT'S IN THE REAR AND IT WON'T BE SEEN FROM THE STREET. SO IT'S, UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT. I WAS JUST WONDERING BECAUSE IT DIDN'T REALLY FIT A CRAFTSMAN PATTERN. BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, I I THINK YOU'LL BE OKAY. OKAY. UM, LET'S SEE. OH, AND THEN THE, THE TRIM AND THE, UM, AND THE SIDING ON THE GARAGE ITSELF, UM, I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT ANY NOTES THAT SAID IT MATCHED THE HOUSE, BUT IF YOU COULDN'T MATCH THE HOUSE, THEN IT WOULD YEAH, IT WOULD BE, YEAH, IT IS. YEAH. IT'S GONNA MATCH THE HOUSE. PERFECT. UM, THEN THE HARDWARE ON THE FRONT DOOR, I KNOW WE'VE SEEN A, A WIDE VARIETY OF HARDWARES, UM, BUT PARTICULARLY FOR A CRAFTSMAN STYLE, IT OUGHT TO BE A CRAFTSMAN. UM, UM, UM, DOORS, UM, ENTRY SET AND I FOUND SOME THAT ARE PRETTY AFFORDABLE THAT ARE GONNA, UH, FIT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLOSELY. ONE YOU CAN GET AT HOME DEPOT, IT'S, UH, CALLED, UH, COPPER CREEK RUSTIC MODERN, AND I COULD GIVE THAT INFORMATION TO STAFF. UH, BUT THAT ONE'S ABOUT SIX $70. THERE'S ANOTHER ONE, UH, THAT'S, UH, MADE BY SCHLAG, AND THAT ONE'S ABOUT A HUNDRED DOLLARS, BUT, UH, IT'LL FIT THE, THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE, UH, PRETTY WELL. IT DOESN'T HAVE A BUNCH OF ROUND CURVES AND THE, THE LEVER WITH THE CURVE ON IT, 'CAUSE THAT LOOKS MORE FRENCH, IT DOESN'T REALLY FIT WITH CRAFTSMAN WELL, I WAS GOING WITH THE SAME ONES I WENT WITH ON THE OTHER DAY. STREETS. YEAH, WE DIDN'T CATCH IT ON THAT ONE. I APOLOGIZE. . SO, SO THAT ONE, YOU DON'T WANT THAT ONE, YOU WANT A DIFFERENT ONE NOW. UM, IT'S JUST BETTER IN KEEPING WITH THE, WITH THE STYLE OF THE HOME. OKAY. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ALL RIGHTY. ANYBODY ELSE? I, HE SAID IT ALL ALREADY THAT EVERYBODY ELSE WAS GONNA SAY I'M CHAIR. GO AHEAD. WHEN DAVID WAS TALKING ABOUT THE WINDOW, YEAH, I, I, I COULDN'T HEAR IT ALL AND I DON'T KNOW WHY I HAVE A TERRIBLE ECHO , BUT NEITHER OF THE WINDOWS APPEAR TO BE CENTERED INTO THE WALLS THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE SET IN. YEAH. HE WAS SUGGESTING THAT THE ONE THAT'S UNDER THE PORCH IS TOO NEAR THE OUTER WALL AND, AND LOOK RIGHT. AND SHOULD MOVE OVER A LITTLE BIT MORE TOWARDS THE DOOR. NOT MAYBE CENTERED, BUT OVER THEM. AND I, AND I THINK, I THINK THE ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE SHOULD BE CENTERED. IT LOOKS CENTERED ACTUALLY. YEAH, IT IS CENTERED ON THE OTHER SIDE. OKAY. ON THE FRONT ELEVATION YOU'RE, YOU'RE REFERRING TO? YEP. YEAH, THAT CENTERED. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE, GENTLEMEN? CHAIR, . SORRY ABOUT THAT. I WAS, I GET A WHOLE LAUNDRY LIST, SO I'M JUST GONNA, COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS HAS SOMETHING TO SHARE NOW. UM, I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET MY HANDS AROUND IF THE HEIGHT OF THE BRICKS ON THE COLUMNS MAY BE JUST A TAD TOO TALL AND CONSER AND RELATIONSHIP TO MOST OF THESE ARE SPLITTING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WOOD AND THE BRICK ON THE VERTICAL LINK. UM, I JUST WAS TRYING TO GET MY HANDS AROUND WHETHER IT'S A DEAL KILLER OR NOT. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT COULD BE JUST ANOTHER SIX INCHES TO, BUT SHORTER. BUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW. UH, I'LL THROW THAT OUT THERE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY ISSUES WITH IT. [00:20:01] THEY, THEY DO LOOK A LITTLE TALLER, MAYBE LIKE BY ONE BRICK, JUST THE BRICK JUST SEEMS JUST A LITTLE TALL. UM, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD GO UP JUST A LITTLE BIT PAST THE SEAL ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND I WAS KIND OF GOING DOWN THE STREET VIEW ON WHAT SOME OTHER ONES ARE ARE DOING, AND THEY SEEM TO BE WHERE THE WOOD WOULD BE ABOUT HALF OF THE DISTANCE. AND THE BRICK WOULD BE ABOUT HALF THE DISTANCE IN GENERAL SPEAKING. UM, AND YOU CAN FIND DIFFERENT EXAMPLES, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S JUST, JUST A LITTLE BIT TALL ON THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE? WELL, THAT INDICATES TO ME, MR. RAY, THAT YOU DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB. SO WE HAD HAD FEW THINGS THAT WE WISH TO COMMENT ON. SO WE APPRECIATE IT IF YOU CONTINUE WORKING ON THIS. AND I GUESS WE'LL SEE YOU BACK FOR, WITH YOUR FINAL DRAWINGS ALL. OKAY? ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR DOING YOUR WORK THERE. WE NEED PEOPLE TO DO SOME NICE WORK THERE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP IS CR TWO. OKAY, THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF COURTESY REVIEW ITEM CR TWO. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 28 0 2 TANNER STREET, IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 DASH 60. THE REQUEST SINCE THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW, IS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT CORNER LOT WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A DETACHED REAR TWO CAR GARAGE, A STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED SINCE THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW. UH, THE REQUEST IS THAT, OR THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT, A CORNER LOT WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A DETACHED REAR TWO CAR GARAGE BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW. TASK FORCE FEEDBACK, COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTED WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS, PROPOSED DESIGN IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. STUDY THE DISTRICT AND CHOOSE AN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ALL RIGHT, AND WE HAVE, UM, THREE SPEAKERS SIGNED UP ON THIS ONE. UM, DIAMOND HICKEY, ROBERT VAUGHN AND PASCAL MOJICA. ARE THEY ON ADRIAN OR HERE PRESENT OR, YES, I'M HERE. I'M HERE. OH, YOU'RE BACK. NO, . OKAY, ADRIAN. UM, I GUESS WE'LL TAKE THEM IN ORDER. UM, DIAMOND HICKEY FIRST. HI. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. MY NAME IS DIAMOND HICKEY. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO SHARE MY VISION WITH YOU GUYS FOR 28 0 2 TANNER STREET. OKAY, MA'AM, I HAVE TO STOP YOU AND YOU BEGIN BY GIVING US WHAT YOU GAVE US YOUR NAME, WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS? YOURS? 20. IT'S OUR WAY. WE DO THINGS 28 0 2 TANNER STREET. OKAY. UH, THEN, UH, GO AHEAD AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. MY PROJECT, I'M PLANNING TO BUILD A FOUR BEDROOM, THREE AND A HALF BATH WITH A COMPLETE FLEX SPACE UPSTAIRS DETACHED GARAGE. UH, MY GOAL FOR THIS PROJECT IS, UM, TO BUILD A MODERN HOME THAT HAS A CRAFTMAN STYLE DOOR. THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT YOU GUYS WILL RECOMMEND ME. UM, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME BUILDING IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, SO I AM OPEN TO ANY FEEDBACK THAT REPRESENTS YOU GUYS' COMMUNITY AND PRESERVING THE HISTORY OF IT ALL RIGHTY. UM, AND SHOULD THE OTHER SPEAKERS ALSO SPEAK NOW? IS THAT HOW Y'ALL WANNA DO THIS? YES, THAT IS FINE. OKAY. SO NEXT STEP WOULD BE ROBERT VAUGHN. DO WE HAVE ROBERT, WE REALLY NEED ADRIAN TO BE THERE. I CAN'T, HE'S, HE'S, FOR SOME REASON HIS, HIS MICROPHONE IS NOT WORKING. OH. WE'RE JUST MAKING SURE THAT ON OUR END, OUR TECH HAS GOT EVERYBODY IN LINE, LIKE YES. YES. AND THE PERSON WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THAT STEPPED OUT INTO THE HALLWAY. SO WE'RE, WE'RE FETING HER AND TELLING. OKAY. OKAY. AND HELP US [00:25:03] MADAM CHAIR. THERE'S A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE FEEDBACK. UH, IS EVERYBODY ELSE AT HOME EXPERIENCING BAD FEEDBACK? I'M NOT. YOU ARE NOT. COMMISSIONER HONA HOSA? NOPE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER REEVES, COULD YOU MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TWO COMPUTERS ON, OR YOUR PHONE AND YOUR COMPUTER ON OR SOMETHING? 28 0 2 TANNER STREET. OKAY. THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA LET YOU IN. LOVE IT, BOB. I CAN HEAR ME OKAY. MR. VAUGHN, ARE YOU HERE? I AM. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? WE CAN. ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU TURN YOUR CAMERA ON TOO? IT'S A STATE LAW. WE, YOU ABLE SEE? YOU CAN YOU SEE ME? ALL RIGHT? THERE YOU ARE. SO LET ME ASK YOU TO START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. THAT'S HOW WE DO THINGS. UM, ROBERT VAUGHN, AGAIN, IT'S, I THINK IT'S 28, I'M SORRY, DIAMOND 28 0 1 TANNER. 28 0 2. 28 0 2. TANNER. EXCUSE ME. OKAY, SIR, WHAT DO YOU WANNA TELL US ABOUT THIS PROJECT? I JUST PIGGYBACKING OFF OF, OF WHAT DIAMOND ALREADY SAID, THIS IS OUR FIRST, UM, BUILD IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UH, WE, I AM ACTUALLY AN EXECUTIVE AT A NONPROFIT HERE IN DALLAS. AND SO, UM, WE TRAIN VETERANS HERE IN DALLAS THROUGH BILL J. PRIEST. AND I JUST SAY ALL THAT TO SAY THAT WE ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN TRYING TO FIND A PARTNERSHIP WITH THIS COMMUNITY, UM, TO BUILD MORE HOUSING AFFORDABLE AND PRESERVING THE HISTORY AND HERITAGE AND WHATEVER SUGGESTIONS THAT'S MADE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS WE CERTAINLY WILL FOLLOW. OKAY. SO STAY ON THE LINE READY FOR WHEN COMMISSIONERS START TALKING. THEY MAY HAVE QUESTIONS. AND THEN WE HAVE PAS, MOCO , ADRIAN . OKAY. I'M NOT SURE IF HE IS ON. OKAY. HE MAY NOT BE THERE. NO, YOU SEE ANY TIME. ALL RIGHT, THEN LET US MOVE FORWARD WITH COMMISSIONERS AND ANY COMMENTS OR OBJECTIONS OR THEY MAY HAVE ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE SEEN AS THE DESIGN SO FAR, WHICH WE WILL, I CAN ALREADY TELL YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO GET A LOT MORE DETAILS WHEN YOU GET UP TO THE ACTUAL . A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF. COMMISSIONER RENO, I HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR THE, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, I KNOW, UH, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANNA SAY I, I APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORTS THAT YOU, UH, AND THE, THE DESIGN TEAM HAS, HAS, UH, HAS PUT TOGETHER TO, TO GENERATE A, A HOUSE LIKE THIS ONE. UM, I APPRECIATE THE, THE, ALL THE DETAILS ON THE WINDOWS, THE SELECTIONS OF YOUR, YOUR FRONT DOOR. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DOOR. UM, THE PROPORTIONS OF THE, THE PORCH. UH, BUT I DID WANNA OFFER, UM, I KNOW SOMETIMES WE'RE A LITTLE BIT VAGUE ON, ON, UM, UH, THE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT A CRAFTSMAN, UM, UH, HOME NEEDS TO HAVE TO MAKE IT A CRAFTSMAN. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BEST PLACES I'VE FOUND FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR THEIR INFORMATION IS ACTUALLY IN OUR, UH, CONSERVATION DISTRICT ORDINANCE. AND THAT'S NUMBER 2 6 3 9 1. YOU CAN FIND IT ON THE, ON THE DALLAS WEBSITE IN PARTICULAR, PAGES 32 THROUGH 40. AND IT TALKS PROBABLY ABOUT 10 OR 15 DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL ITEMS THAT SOME ARE, ARE, UM, NECESSARY TO MAKE IT A CRAFTSMAN. OTHERS ARE JUST SUGGESTIONS. UM, ASIDE FROM THAT, I WAS LOOKING AT, AT OTHER HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I HAVE, UM, ABOUT SEVEN OF THEM TO SUGGEST AS, AS, UM, UM, AS EXAMPLES. AND I'LL JUST READ OFF THOSE ADDRESSES. OKAY. IT'S 28, 26 TANNER, 26 42, AND THEY'RE ALL ON TANNER. OKAY. UM, 26 42, 27 0 5, 2727 0 6, AND 27 0 9. A NUMBER OF THEM ARE JUST RIGHT IN A ROAD DOWN THE, DOWN THE STREET. OKAY. UM, IT'S A LITTLE UNUSUAL TO FIND A CENTER, UH, PORCH PLACED ON THE, ON THE FRONT ELEVATION. AND IT'S UNUSUAL TO SEE A, UM, A, A DORM, A DORMER [00:30:01] OF THIS SIZE, UM, ON THE, ON THE MAIN PORTION OF THE PORCH, THE, THE CROSS, UM, GABLE. THAT MEANS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING FROM THE STREET, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SIDE OF THE GABLE. UM, SO YOU DON'T SEE THE TRIANGLE, YOU JUST SEE THE ROOF GOING BACK. THAT'S A, THAT IS A COMMON DETAIL, BUT THE WAY THAT THE DORMER IS PLACED IN ITS SIZE AND ITS LOCATION OF THE, AGAIN, OF THE PORCH. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THESE OTHER EXAMPLES THAT I JUST CITED, UM, I THINK THEY'LL BE HELPFUL IN, IN GETTING SOME OF THOSE PROPORTIONS. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. UM, THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY, THOSE ARE MY SUGGESTIONS. AND LET US COMMEND COMMISSIONER RENO ON HIS EXTENSIVE RESEARCH IN PREPARATION FOR TODAY SO THAT HE COULD BE THE MOST HELPFUL VOICE HE COULD BE. COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS. SUPER HELPFUL. UM, YEAH, I'M GONNA PIGGYBACK ON THAT AS WELL. THE, UM, THE FRONT DORMER COMING TO THE EDGE OF THE FACE, UH, IS GONNA BE UNCHARACTERISTIC. THE SCALE AND SIZE OF THAT FRONT DORMER IS GONNA BE UNCHARACTERISTIC. UM, THE SHED ROOF AT THAT LOCATION AT THE FRONT PORCH WILL PROBABLY BE OUTTA CHARACTERISTIC AS WELL. SO THERE ARE THINGS TO, UM, UH, WE'RE EXPRESSING CONCERNS FOR, TO HAVE YOU RE-LOOK AT AND MM-HMM . GO THROUGH YOUR DESIGN. UM, ROOF OVERHANGS, UH, ON YOUR 3D DRAWING HERE, IS IT A MINIMUM? IT SEEMS, UM, SEEMS LIKE YOUR DORM OR ROOF OVERHANG HAS A LITTLE BIT OF DIMENSION THERE. A FOOT MAYBE. AND THEN YOU HAVE A VERY MINIMUM ROOF OVERHANG ON THE MAJOR BUILDINGS. SO YOU'RE IN NEED TO BE LOOKING AT ROOF OVERHANGS ON TYPICAL CRAFTSMAN HOUSES OF THIS NATURE. UM, YOUR STONE MATERIAL ON THE TAPERED COLUMN, THE DESIGN OF THE TAPER AS WELL AS THE MATERIAL MIGHT BE, UH, SOMETHING TO RECONSIDER THE, UH, WOOD PART OF THAT COLUMN. DETAIL SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE THIN. THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO BE LOOKED AT ON THE DIMENSION OF THAT. UM, LOOKS LIKE THIS IS PLACED UPON A SLAB ON GRADE. UH, SO THEREFORE YOU'RE GONNA BE HAVING CONCRETE SKIRTING. UM, SO YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO CONSIDER MAYBE YOUR FOUNDATION AND HOW THAT MIGHT, UH, AFFECT YOUR SKIRTING. UM, THE ROOF PITCH, I THINK YOU'RE SHOWING AS A NINE 12. THAT MAY BE A TAD SQUATTING AND KIND OF, UH, OUT OF PROPORTION TO THE, SOME CRAFTSMAN ROOF PITCHES. SO MAKE SURE YOU RE-LOOK AT YOUR ROOF PITCHES. OKAY. THAT, UM, OKAY. IF YOU GOT ALL OF THAT ROOF OVERHANG, SCALE OF THE DORMER POSITION OF THE DORMER, UH, TWO FORWARD DESIGN OF THE FLAT SHE ROOF MATERIALS OF THE STONE AND THE TAPERED NESS OF THE COLUMNS, UH, THE SKIRT AND POSSIBLY RECONSIDER. LOOK AT ROOF PITCHES AND DEFINITELY LOOK AT ROOF, ROOF OVERHANGS. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, COULD YOU CLARIFY, UM, ARE YOU OBJECTING TO A SLAB ON GRADE FOUNDATION AND SUGGESTING A DIFFERENT TYPE? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT HOW TALL THE SLAB ON GRADE OUGHT TO BE? IF THAT'S WHAT WE GO WITH? 'CAUSE WE OFTEN DO WORRY THAT THE HOUSE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S JUST PLOPS DOWN ON THE GROUND FLATLY WHEN IN THE TIMINGS WERE BUILT, THEY WERE A BIT MORE RAISED. I'M LESS CONCERNED WITH MAYBE SINCE THIS IS A, A NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THE SKIRTING, BUT IT, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE CONSIDERING ON WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE PUTTING THIS, THERE'S GONNA BE SLAB ON GRAY OR APPEARING BEAM AND, AND, UH, AND HOW THAT'S GONNA AESTHETICALLY LOOK. I MEAN, YEAH, I HAVE CONCERNS WITH THIS, WITH IT, BUT, UH, BECAUSE THERE SHOULD BE AT LEAST LIKE THREE STEPS UP TO THE PORCH OR THE YEAH, YEAH. I'M, I'M NOT, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE SITTING ON THE GROUND. I WANT THIS TO BE TYPICAL, UH, WITH YOUR FINISHED FLOOR UP. AND SO YOU HAVE, UM, I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDERING HOW WE'VE ACTUALLY MADE DECISIONS ON CLOSED SKIRTING LIKE THIS BEFORE IN THE PAST. UM, BUT, UM, TO ME, UH, THE HIERARCHY OF, UH, THESE THINGS, ALL THE OTHER ONES, ESPECIALLY THAT THE ROOF AND THE PORCH AND THE, AND THE DORMERS WERE MUCH MORE HIERARCHY ON THAT FOR ME. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? ANYBODY AT HOME? I CAN'T SEE YOU SO YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO PICK UP. SORRY. AND THERE SEEMS TO BE A BIG MASS OF, UH, NON WINDOWS ON THIS BOTTOM ELEVATION HERE THAT MIGHT UH, BE A NO-NO. THERE IT UH, IT'S JUST A LOT OF BLANK WALL THERE ON THAT ELEVATION, UH, ON THAT BOTTOM ELEVATION ON MR ED. SO MAKE SURE YOU LOOK AT YOUR WINDOWS AND [00:35:01] THAT'S WHERE THE KITCHEN IS. ENOUGH DAY LIGHTING AND, AND RHYTHM. YEAH, THAT IS THE KITCHEN. BUT MANY PEOPLE DO ENJOY A WINDOW OVER THE SINK, SO WHEN YOU'RE BORED DOING DISHES, YOU CAN LOOK OUT AND BE BORED OUTSIDE. I BURN. MIGHT FLY BY, SOMETHING COULD HAPPEN. IT COULD BE INTERESTING. WELL, AND IT'S TYPICAL TOO, THAT MUCH WALL THAT IS THE SIDE THAT DOES NOT FACE THE STREET, BUT WE STILL, UM, THERE JUST WEREN'T A LOT OF BLACK WALLS BACK WHEN THESE HOUSES WERE BUILT BECAUSE THEY USED THE WINDOWS INSTEAD OF AIR CONDITIONING SINCE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT YET. SO, OKAY. YOU KNOW, BIG WALLS, NO WINDOWS IN THEM. . OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? DID WE HAVE ANY INDICATION OF COLORS THAT YOU'RE FORESEEING FOR THIS? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU WILL WANNA STICK WITH A, A, AN APPROPRIATE CRAFTSMAN PALETTE AND MANY PAINT COMPANIES ACTUALLY HAVE COLORS THAT THEY HAVE TAKEN FROM HISTORIC HOUSES AND IT'LL BE CALLED THEIR HISTORIC COLORS STANDS. AND SO CHOOSING FROM THOSE WOULD PROBABLY HELP YOU MAKE SURE YOU GET SOME THAT ARE APPROPRIATE. YEAH, WE CERTAINLY WILL GO VISIT THOSE HOUSES SUGGESTED AND, UM, LOOK AT THOSE PAINT COLORS TO MAKE SURE IT'S IN WELL WITH PAINT COLORS, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'VE BEEN CHANGED. SO IF YOU SEE SOMETHING IN LIME GREEN THAT DOES NOT INDICATE IT'S APPROPRIATE, IT INDICATES SOMEONE LIKE LIME GREEN. SO GOING BACK TO, UM, HISTORY BOOKS ABOUT THESE OR THESE HISTORIC PAINT PALETTES WILL HELP YOU GET SOMETHING THAT'S MORE RIGHT. UM, I BELIEVE SHER, UM, SHERMAN WILLIAMS HAS A SITE THAT I CHOSE THESE COLORS FROM THAT WAS DESIGNATED AS HISTORIC. YEAH, IT DOES. SO CHOOSING FROM THOSE IS A SAFE WAY TO GO TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT THEY WOULD WORK. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. IF THAT'S ALL THAT COMMISSIONERS HAVE, THEN WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS AND WE WILL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU COME BACK WITH YOUR PLANS WHEN THEY'RE FURTHER ON. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE ALL THE FEEDBACK. AND NEXT WE WILL GO TO COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER THREE. OKAY. THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF COURTESY REVIEW ITEM CR THREE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 33 13 MEADOW STREET IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA 25 42. THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW OF CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF RECOMMENDATION. NO ACTION IS REQUIRED SINCE IT'S A COURTESY REVIEW THAT A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW. TASK FORCE FEEDBACK, COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENT, DORMER SHOULD BE MOVED TO REAR ROOF SLOPE. ALRIGHT. WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER FOR THIS ONE PAUL ARC. AND YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON. IT IS ON NOW IT SHOWS THE LIGHT. 'CAUSE OTHERWISE THE COMMISSIONER'S AT HOME CAN HEAR THE LIGHT ON. YES. OKAY. IF YOU WOULD START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. HI, MY NAME IS PAUL RSE. UH, THIS ADDRESS IS 33 13 MIDDLE STREET. ALL RIGHTY. UH, THEN GO AHEAD AND TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. IT'S JUST, UH, UH, REQUEST TO BUILD A NEW THREE, UM, THREE AND A HALF, UH, THREE BEDROOM, THREE AND HALF BATH, UM, NEW HOME IN THIS HISTORICAL DISTRICT, THIS DISTRICT ALRIGHTYY. AND THEN WE HAVE PROVIDED THE SIDE PLANS AND ELEVATIONS. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONERS. SOMEBODY ELSE. COMMISSIONER RENO. NO, YOU GO RIGHT AHEAD. I, I MADE SURE TO LOOK LEFT AS MUCH AS I COULD. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I, WELL LET ME, I GUESS, LET ME SEE, FIGURE OUT WHERE TO START. UM, I REALIZE THIS IS AN ODD LOT. IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS, IT WAS CHOPPED OFF THE BACK OF A, OF A, A COUPLE OF OTHER LOTS AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, SANDWICHED IN BETWEEN THAT AND THE RECENT ALLEY ALLEY RIGHT THERE NEXT TO IT. RIGHT, EXACTLY. ON THE RIGHT SIDE. THAT'S, THAT'S WHY YOU ONLY HAVE THAT 10 FOOT, UH, SETBACK. YES. 'CAUSE YOU'RE MATCHING THE SIDE YARD SETBACK ON THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO YOU. SO, UM, YEAH, I KNOW IT'S A TINY, TINY LITTLE SIDE, SO YOU CAN'T EVEN GET A GARAGE, YOU KNOW MM-HMM . YEAH. PLACE TO PARK. SO IT'S JUST A, A DRIVEWAY, UM, PARALLEL WITH THE, THE ALLEY. UM, SO I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH STYLE YOU WERE GOING FOR. IF IT'S, UH, IF IT'S A CRAFTSMAN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE A CRAFTSMAN, ALTHOUGH THE, THE SLOPES ARE PRETTY STEEP. UM, FOR, FOR THE, THE STYLE OF THE HOME. WELL, WE, THEY, UH, BASED ON THE SIZE, [00:40:02] THAT'S WHY, WELL, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS OF THE PORCH AND THE COLUMNS AND THE WINDOW PROPORTIONS, UM, UM, SLOPES OF THE ROOF, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, BECAUSE I, AND THEN THE OTHER BIG ISSUE I HAD WAS THE SECOND FLOOR MM-HMM . UM, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MATCH UP WITH THE ELEVATIONS NOR THE ROOF PLAN. 'CAUSE IT, IT STOPS ALMOST LIKE RIGHT AFTER THAT, THAT CENTER STAIR. UM, BUT THEN THE ROOF, THE GABLE JUST KEEPS GOING IN THE BACK. LIKE THERE'S WINDOWS TO THE REAR, BUT IT'S LIKE THEY'RE OPEN INTO THE ATTIC. THE, THE ROOF PLAN, I GUESS THERE WAS A ROOF PLAN. UM, I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW THE MASS MATCHED THE PLANS ON THE, YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ELEVATION? YEAH. UM, 'CAUSE IN PARTICULAR, SO THERE'S A, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE SIDE, YOU SEE THERE'S A, THERE'S A RIDGE LINE MM-HMM . UH, WHERE THE, WHERE THE PEAK OF THE ROAD COMES. BUT IT KEEPS GOING LIKE ALL THE, THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE HOME. BUT YOUR SECOND FLOOR STOPS, IT'S, IT'S SMALL. IT'S ONLY ABOUT NINE FEET PAST THE, THE END OF THE STAIR. OKAY. SO YOU PROBABLY HAVE ABOUT ANOTHER 20 OR 30 FEET TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, BUT THE ROOF KEEPS GOING. SO I WAS LIKE, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THOSE WINDOWS ARE. I, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT HERE. YEAH. YEAH. SO IT'S ON THE, ON THE ELEVATION. SO IT HAS PROBABLY STOPPED YEAH. WHERE, WHERE THE SECOND DOOR STARTS. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO I THINK THERE'S JUST SOME, SOME GEOMETRY THAT NEEDS TO BE FIGURED OUT THERE. 'CAUSE WHEN YOU START TO BUILD IT OR YOU DO THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, YOU'RE GOING, WELL, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? THE WALLS THAT AREN'T FALLING WHERE, UH, WHERE I THOUGHT THEY WOULD. UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK THE, THE FIRST THING IS TO, UM, LIKE THE SUGGESTIONS I MADE TO THE, TO THE LAST APPLICANT, UM, ABOUT THE, THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT ORDINANCE, I THINK THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HELP YOU. IT GIVES YOU, UM, KIND OF LIKE THE GUIDELINES THAT YOU WANNA FOLLOW TO, TO MATCH THAT STYLE. AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE STYLES. UM, THERE'S CRAFTSMEN, THERE'S PRAIRIE, AND THERE'S TUDOR. ALL OF THEM ARE DESCRIBED IN THAT DOCUMENT. IT'S, UM, AGAIN, TO GIVE YOU THE LOCATION OF WHERE THAT IS ON THE WEBSITE, ON THE DALLAS WEBSITE, UM, IT'S THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT ORDINANCE, AND IT'S FOR VICKERY PLACE IN PARTICULAR. I KNOW THIS ISN'T VICKERY PLACE, HOWEVER, IT'S THE BEST. IT'S IN MY MIND, I'VE FOUND IT THE, TO GIVE YOU THE BEST DIRECTIONS ON HOW TO DO A CRAFTSMAN . SO THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I SUGGEST IT. BUT THE NUMBER OF IT IS 2 6 3 9 1. AND THEN WHEN YOU OPEN IT UP, IF YOU GO TO PAGES 32 TO 40, IT GIVES YOU PICTURES. IT GIVES YOU A WORD DESCRIPTION. IT'S REALLY KIND OF NICE THE WAY IT, IT LAYS EVERYTHING OUT. IT'S 26, UH, UM, UH, LET'S SEE. IT'S 2 6, 3 9, 1. SAY THAT AGAIN? 2 6, 3, 9 1, 3, 9 1. OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN, UH, PAGES 32 TO 40. I THINK IT'S LIKE A 44 PAGE DOCUMENT. THAT, OKAY. YEAH. UM, THEN, UH, THE OTHER THING I NOTICED JUST FROM THE PLAN, I KNOW THE KITCHEN IS ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THE WINDOWS, UM, YOU'RE SHOWING ABOUT TWO FEET. THE SILL WAS ABOUT TWO FEET FROM THE FLOOR, BUT YOU HAVE A KITCHEN CABINET RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH IS USUALLY THREE FEET. SO THERE'S GONNA BE A CONFLICT THERE. THE WINDOWS WILL BE LOADED AND THE, AND THE OPENING BEHIND. UM, SO IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THINKING THROUGH ALL YOUR OPENINGS AND WHERE THEY FALL, YOU KNOW, UH, WITH WHAT YOU HAVE IN, IN. SO. OKAY. UM, THOSE ARE MY SUGGESTIONS. OKAY. AND, UM, ON, ON THAT, IT, YOU ALSO DON'T HAVE A SIDE WINDOW BECAUSE THE KITCHEN REFRIGERATORS THERE, I GUESS YOU COULD CONSIDER SWITCHING THE STUDY AND THE KITCHEN, MOVING THE KITCHEN BACK. AND THEN THE STUDY COULD HAVE THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF WINDOWS. LIKE WE TOLD THE PREVIOUS PERSON, YOU DON'T USUALLY HAVE A SIDE WITHOUT, HARDLY WITHOUT ENOUGH WINDOWS, ESPECIALLY TOWARDS THE FRONT. THERE SHOULD BE A WINDOW SOMEWHERE, BUT DOESN'T WORK RIGHT NOW WITH THE KITCHEN BEING THERE, YOU CAN'T PUT A WINDOW BEHIND THE REFRIGERATOR. MR. , WERE YOU, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, WHICH WINDOW? YEAH, THE, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE KITCHEN MM-HMM . UM, AND YOU LOOK ON THAT ELEVATION, YOU'VE GOT A BIT OF A BLANK SPOT. AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE IT IF, IF YOU COULD PUT A WINDOW UP TOWARDS THE FRONT SOMEWHERE, BUT YOU CAN'T RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THE KITCHEN'S THERE AND THE REFRIGERATOR'S KIND OF EXACTLY WHERE I WOULD PUT THE WINDOW . SO IF YOU WERE TO SWITCH THE ROOM USE, WHICH WOULD SEEM TO FEED INTO THE DINING ROOM JUST THE SAME WAY AND, AND GIVE THE STUDY A NICE VIEW OUT FRONT. IF SOMEONE SITTING THERE STUDYING, THEY COULD LOOK OUT THE WINDOW AND SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE STREET. BASICALLY SWITCH THE, UH, UH, THE STUDY AND THE DI THE WHAT? THE DINING, IS THAT WHAT YOU YEAH, IF YOU MOVED THE STUDY AND THE KITCHEN SWITCHED 'EM, THEN THE STUDY COULD HAVE BETTER PLACED WINDOWS AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT CONFLICT WITH THE COUNTER SPACE AND THE REFRIGERATOR. [00:45:01] OKAY. OKAY. MR. PERI, UM, THERE'S A, A CONFLICT IN THE DRAWINGS WITH THE PROPOSED FRONT ELEVATION. I GUESS IT'S ON PAGE TWO OF THE DRAWINGS THERE. UM, THE PORCH IS MUCH WIDER THAN WHAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE DRAWING. AND ON PAGE FOUR, YEAH. THAT, YEAH, THAT FRONT ELEVATION IS DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE, THE ONE THAT'S IN THE COMPARISON WITH THE, THE TWO SIDE BY SIDE 3 0 3 7 AND 3 0 2 2. UM, SO THERE'S A CONFLICT THERE. UM, THE PORCH ALSO, UH, AND IN THE DRAWINGS IT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT, THAT THAT GABLE THAT'S SORT OF TACKED ONTO THE FRONT, THOSE COLUMNS THAT ARE IN THE DRAWINGS ACTUALLY HAVE TO COME OUT FURTHER TO MATCH THAT VISUALLY. HOLD THAT UP . UM, THERE'S A, THAT HAS TO BE, UH, BE WORKED THERE AS WELL. UH, YEAH, THOSE ARE MY COMMENT THEN. AND THE PORCH IS ACTUALLY APPARENTLY SIX FEET DEEP, INCLUDING THE COLUMNS, THE, THE, THE, THE SQUARE OF THE COLUMNS. AND WE USUALLY LIKE SIX FEET CLEAR IF YOU MOVE THE PORCH TO STICK OUT BEYOND THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GOT SET SETBACK ISSUES, BUT THAT WOULD ALSO BE MAKE A NICER PORCH THAT PEOPLE COULD MORE EASILY ACTUALLY SIT ON AND USE. RIGHT. BUT THOSE COLUMNS ARE, IT'S THAT, YEAH. THIS PORTION. BUT IF THEY MADE IT, IF THEY MADE IT SHUT OUT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THE COLUMNS WOULD BE STANDING BY THEMSELVES, WOULD YEAH, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. YEAH. I MEAN, IF THE PORCH COULD BE A LITTLE WIDER VISUALLY, I THINK IT WOULD HELP THE HOUSE AS WELL. EITHER THAT OR NOT DO THAT PORCH, UH, THAT SECOND PORCH GABLE AND JUST HAVE AN UNDERCUT PORCH, UH, IN THERE. . OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? I DIDN'T, I JUST I JUST TURNED MY HEAD. MR. CUMMINGS, WHAT DID YOU HAVE TO SAY? YOU WERE GIVING ME A NOD TO GO . UM, I'M NOT GONNA EXASPERATE THE SITUATION, BUT I THINK ONCE YOU GET YOUR HANDS AROUND YOUR CONFLICTS THAT'S EXISTING, THEN IT'S GONNA BRING INTO LIGHT A LOT OF THE THINGS. UM, BUT ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE WE KIND OF ADDRESS THE ODDITIES THAT WE'VE GOT ON THE ROOF LINES WITH THAT, UH, THAT, UH, SHED ROOF THAT'S, UH, POPPING UP THAT SECOND FLOOR OR THAT, UH, HALF SECOND HALF FLOOR. UH, YOU DON'T HAVE A DORM OR THERE, IT'S JUST KIND OF A SHED ROOF. A SHED ROOF COMING OUT THERE. THAT'S, UM, STRANGE. YOU DIDN'T HAVE THIS GABLE IN ON A PORCH WITH ONE COLUMN. OKAY. THAT'S AN ODDITY. IT LOOKS LIKE THE FRONT PORCH IS SO SMALL YOU'RE TRYING TO FORCE THE WINDOW AND, AND THE DOOR. UM, SO THAT'S, UM, GETTING A CRAMPED LOOK. UH, YOU HAVE INCONSISTENCY ON, UH, THE TWO, UH, LOUVERS IN THESE GABLES ONE'S ONE SIZE AND ONE LOOKS LIKE ANOTHER SIZE. UM, BUT I THINK THE MAIN THING IS SEEING WHERE YOU REALLY ARE AFTER YOU LOOK AT, UH, WHAT'S BEEN SAID ON THE, THE, UH, THE DRAWINGS BEING COMPATIBLE TO THEMSELVES, THEN WE CAN REALLY KIND OF SEE WHAT YOU, WHAT WHERE YOU'RE GOING. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS. ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WITH ANY IDEAS? ALRIGHT THEN. I HOPE WE HAVE HELPED YOU, SIR. I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A LITTLE WORK TO DO ON THAT, BUT WE'RE PLEASED AT, UH, HOW MUCH THE EFFORT YOU PUT IN, OF COURSE STAFF IS HAPPY TO HELP YOU WITH UNDERSTANDING YES. HOW, HOW CRAFTSMAN STYLE MIGHT BE MORE RECOGNIZABLE TO US SO THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY SAY, LOOK, THERE'S A CRAFTMAN HOUSE AND, AND YOU CAN PROBABLY SAY THAT YOU HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THAT IN LINE. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU COME BACK. I WILL. . THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, NOW WE ARE READY FOR DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER ONE. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN. THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING DISCUSSION ITEM D ONE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1462 FIRST AVENUE IN THE FAIR PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 DASH 47. THE REQUEST ARE AS FOLLOWS, ONE FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO AMEND PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CA 2 34 DASH 2 2 52 RD BY SUBSTITUTING PROPOSED NEW OUTDOOR CAROUSEL [00:50:01] WITH A DIFFERENT AQUATIC THEMED CAROUSEL MODEL REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO AMEND AND OR CANCEL PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CA 2 34 DASH 3 36 RD TO APPLY A CUSTOMIZED COLOR SCHEME AND OR PALETTE TO PROPOSED NEW OUTDOOR CAROUSEL. APPLICANT DESIRES TO RETAIN FACTORY COLORS ON REVISED MODEL STAFF. RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO AMEND PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CA 2 34 DASH 2 52 RD BY SUBSTITUTING PROPOSED NEW OUTDOOR CAROUSEL WITH A DIFFERENT AQUATIC THEME CAROUSEL MODEL BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 4 28 20 25. THE WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTIONS 5.2, SUBSECTION FIVE D AND SECTION 5.2 SUBSECTION B FIVE F PERTAINING TO THE LAGOON. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TWO. THE SECOND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO AMEND AND OR CANCEL PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CA 2 3 4 DASH 3 3 6 RD TO APPLY A CUSTOMIZED COLOR SCHEME AND OUR PALETTE TO PROPOSE NEW OUTDOOR CAROUSEL. APPLICANT DESIRES TO RETAIN FACTORY COLORS ON THE REVISED MODEL, BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED FOR 28 20 25. THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES PER SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION. NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENT, THE DESIGN AND WARRANTY FOR THE NEW CAROUSEL APPEARED TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT AND THE GLOBE LIGHTS MAY BE AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE. CONSIDER KEEPING 'EM OFF WHEN NOT IN OPERATION. NUMBER TWO, NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS. AN ART DECO COLOR PALETTE IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE THEME DECOR OF THE CHILDREN'S QUERY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER I DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU, BUT I'LL TELL YOU ANYWAY. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND SWEAR OR PROMISE TO TELL US THE TRUTH. DON'T THINK SO. NOPE. THERE IT IS. THERE IT IS. YES. GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. UM, I'M NORMAN ALSTON, 5 0 6 MONTE VISTA, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 3. I'M HERE AT THE BEHEST OF THE, UM, TO TELL THE TRUTH. RIGHT. I DO PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. I KNEW YOU DID. DID OKAY. YOU KNOW, I, HOW DO I FORGET THAT? I'M SORRY. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD, YOU HAVE BEEN HERE SO MANY TIMES TO VISIT YOUR PROFESSIONAL LIFE. BEEN IIII WILL TELL THE TRUTH. UH, ANYWAY, WE, UH, WE'VE COME TO YOU TODAY WITH A, UH, WITH A VERY FAMILIAR, UH, REQUEST. HOWEVER, TODAY IS A RESULT OF, UH, TARIFFS. THE PREVIOUS CAROUSEL WAS OF A CHINESE MANUFACTURER, AND THAT HAS BECOME, UH, NOT REALLY REASONABLE ANYMORE. THE, THE ONE WE COME BACK WITH IS OF ITALIAN MANUFACTURER. IT IS ALREADY MADE AND BEING BOUGHT FROM A THIRD PARTY, UH, FROM A COUNTRY THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE TARIFF, UH, PROBLEMS THAT, UH, THAT CHINESE HAVE. UH, PLUS I BELIEVE IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT IN A LOT OF WAYS. IT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT SMALLER. UM, AND WE ARE A LITTLE HAPPIER WITH THE DOCUMENTATION AND THE INFORMATION WE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GATHER FROM THE, THE MANUFACTURER TO GET A, SO WE CAN GET READY TO INSTALL IT. UM, I GUESS MOSTLY I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. I I DO THE, THE, THE APPLICATION DOES SPECIFICALLY GO INTO THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UH, THE COLOR SCHEME FOR, YOU KNOW, ONE BECAUSE THERE IS NO OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, CHAIN LOAD AT THE FACTORY. THAT THAT MAKES IT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO DO. PLUS, I, YOU KNOW, DID WANT TO NOTE THAT, THAT WE BELIEVE THAT AS AN, AN ISOLATED FREESTANDING FEATURE AT FAIR PARK, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S APPROPRIATE TO COME IN WITH SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS DOES IN FACT FAIR PARK DURING A PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE OF THE 1937. THE LAGOON AREA WAS SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT [00:55:01] THAN IT IS NOW. THERE WERE ALL KINDS OF THINGS THERE THAT WERE NOT EITHER, THEY WERE NEITHER ART DECO NOR AS AS, UH, PARK LIKE AS WE ARE. THEY ARE NOW. THEY WERE THE ROAD FOR FORD CARS AND THERE WAS, UH, THE FORBIDDEN CITY EXHIBIT IMMEDIATELY ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH WAS A CHINESE THEME, IRONICALLY ENOUGH, UH, EXHIBIT THERE. SO, UH, IT WAS A MORE, UH, UH, IT WAS MORE VARIETY AND, AND AND MORE ACTIVITY ON AROUND THE LAGOON AT THE TIME. AND THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB SINCE THEY'VE BEEN IN HERE OF ACTIVATING THAT PART OF FAIR PARK. IT'S ONE OF OUR MOST ACTIVE AREAS. UH, THEY DO GET A LOT OF CHILDREN OUT THERE, A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE IN GENERAL THROUGHOUT THE WEEK. UH, AND THIS IS JUST ANOTHER PIECE OF THEIR PROGRAM TO AUGMENT THAT IN, UH, UH, THAT ACTIVATION IN FAIR PARK. I HOPING YOU GET YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS, UH, CAROUSEL. IT TOUCHES NO HISTORIC FABRIC. IT REQUIRES NO REMOVAL OF HISTORIC FABRIC. WE THINK IT'S A VERY APPROPRIATE AND BENEFICIAL THING TO DO THAT PART. AND I'M HERE FOR QUESTIONS. MR. ROMAN. COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER REEVES, ARE YOU STILL HERE? I AM. OKAY. I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU WERE NOT MISSING THIS. THE ONLY WAY I CAN GET RID OF THE REVERBERATION IS TO TURN THE AUDIO OFF COMPLETELY. SO IN A MINUTE I WILL , I, I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE COLOR AND YOU SAYS THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE. AND I THINK THAT FINDING DORY THERE IS GONNA BE STOLEN QUICKLY. AND I THINK P CHOPS ARE GONNA BE TAKEN AT THOSE VAULTS . UM, ALRIGHT. UM, ARE YOU ASKING, UM, MR. ALSTON IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO ALTA YES, YES, PLEASE. SOMETHING NOT, NOT REASONABLY. AGAIN, WE CAN'T GO TO THE MANUFACTURER AND GET ANYTHING 'CAUSE IT'S AN EXISTING, EXISTING UNIT. UM, AND, AND SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD GO WITH PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE NOT COME UP WITH A SATISFACTORY TECHNIQUE FOR RECOLORING, UH, A CAROUSEL. UH, ESPECIALLY WE PREVIOUSLY EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT MAINTENANCE ISSUES AND DURABILITY OF, OF THIS, THIS THING IS BUILT FOR THE OUTSIDE. I AM, WE ARE, WE'RE RATHER UNENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT FOOLING WITH THE FINISHES ON IT. UM, YOU KNOW, SO, SO I'M SO RESPECTFULLY NO, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING REASONABLE THAT WE COULD DO, UH, TO, TO, TO MUTE THE COLOR. NOR DO, FRANKLY, WE BELIEVE THAT MUTING THE COLORS IS AN ISSUE WITH HISTORIC APPROPRIATENESS AT FAIR PARK, NOT FOR THIS LIMITED PLACE HERE. I MEAN THAT, SO THAT COULD BE, BUT NOT FOR THIS. THIS IS A RELATIVELY SMALL, IT'S A FRACTION OF THE SIZE OF THE BIG ONE THAT THE STATE FAIR OPERATES. IT'S JUST A SMALL CAROUSEL OUT IN A GREEN AREA. AND THE, THE ROOF AND THE, THE LITTLE CREATURES ON THE ROOF ARE THEY MADE OF FIBERGLASS? SO THE COLORS INHERENT IN THEM. IS THAT WHAT IT IS? WELL, THAT, THAT FAR WE DIDN'T GET TO. NO, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ACTUAL MATERIAL IS. IT'S EITHER FIBERGLASS OR SOME SORT OF A MODERN PLASTIC. I JUST, I DON'T KNOW. BUT WE DO KNOW IT IS MADE FOR THE OUTDOOR AND WE HAVE, I THINK THE PICTURES OF IT ARE THAT IT'S, SO MR. AL, ALSO, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SO, UM, I KNOW THE PHOTOGRAPH IS PRETTY CLOSE UP TO THE, YOU KNOW, TO THE CAROUSEL ITSELF. AND I KNOW IN THE ELEVATION IT SHOWS A BIT MORE OF THE ROOF EXPOSED. UM, IT'S PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN BOTH OF THOSE. UM, AS FAR AS KNOW, BEING ABLE TO SEE A SEMI TRADITIONAL SHAPE, UH, ON THE TOP, IS THAT THE CASE OR YOU HAVEN'T SEEN BETTER PICTURES OF MORE PICTURES? WELL, WHAT, WHAT I'VE SEEN IS WHAT YOU HAVE, UH, SORRY. AND, UH, BUT AGAIN, ARE YOU, ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT THE, THE, THE SLOPE OF THE TOP OR, UM, WELL I WAS JUST THINKING OF, UH, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM A GREATER DISTANCE. UH, IS IT MORE LIKE THE, THE BLACK AND WHITE IMAGE THAT'S RIGHT AFTER THIS PAGE? I THINK IT SHOWS UP ON THE, ON THE . UH, BUT I WAS WONDERING, YOU KNOW, IS IT MORE, WELL OBVIOUSLY IT'S LIKE A PHOTOGRAPH 'CAUSE IT'S PHOTOGRAPHED, BUT DOES IT LOOK ANY DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, STEPPING BACK, DO YOU SEE, DO YOU START TO SEE MORE OF THE ROOF SHAPE OR NOT? I'M SURE YOU'D SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF IT FROM AS YOU, AS YOU'VE MOVED AWAY SOME, AND IT WILL BE PRETTY, PRETTY VISIBLE GIVEN ITS LOCATION YOU CAN COME ALONG FIRST STREET THERE. UH, NOT SO MUCH FROM ACROSS THE, THE LAGOON FOR THERE DARK TREE AROUND THE LAGOON. YEAH. I WAS HOPING THERE'D BE MORE CONVERSATION OR DISCUSSION [01:00:01] AT LEAST AMONG, UH, THE COUNCIL OR COUNCIL, UH, COMMISSIONERS JUST DESCRIBING THE APPROPRIATENESS OF A, OF A, IN FACT, HISTORICAL, UH, UH, MERRY-GO-ROUND OR, UH, CAROUSEL OR, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT'S MODERN APPROPRIATE LIKE THIS. BECAUSE THERE ACTUALLY PROBABLY HAVE BEEN MANY, YOU KNOW, MODERN PIECES THAT ARE, THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED AND ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, THE DIVERSITY PARTICULARLY AT, UH, DURING, UH, UH, THE FAIR ITSELF, UH, WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT AMUSEMENTS AND HOW THEY LOOK COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM THE MANY OF THE BUILDINGS. AND THIS IS ANOTHER AMUSEMENT LIKE THOSE. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE CONVERSATION, UM, TO GET MORE OPINIONS ON THAT AND HOW WE FEEL ABOUT IT. AND WE HAVE, WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP, WHICH SEEMS LIKE YEARS AGO, MR. DO, I'M NOT SURE WHEN HE FIRST CAME HERE, TALKED ABOUT, WEREN'T THERE ANY HISTORIC CAROUSELS AVAILABLE? AND THE ANSWER WAS NO SO, OR OUR REPRODUCTIONS OF HISTORIC CAROUSELS. AND THE ANSWER WAS NO. THEY ALL LOOK LIKE THIS THESE DAYS, UH, BECAUSE WE HAVE CHILDREN LIKE BRIGHT COLORS AND, AND DO THE EXPLORER OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER THAT FISH IN THAT, OH, DORY, OKAY. MY SON WAS GROWN UP BY THE TIME THAT ONE CAME OUT FINDING NEMO, ANY OF THOSE THINGS. SO IT APPEARS LIKE THERE ARE NO VIABLE OPTIONS THAT LOOK MORE LIKE THE PARK IS WHAT MR. ALSTON HAS REPEATEDLY TOLD US. I, WELL, THAT NOT YET VIABLE IS THE WORD. UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET VERY NICE CUSTOM MADE CAROUSEL THAT MANY TIMES THE COST OF THESE, THERE'S NEVER BEEN, NEVER BEEN A SECRET THAT THE, UH, THE MARGINS ARE THIN. UH, IT'S NOT REALLY A COST, IT'S NOT REALLY A MONEY MAKING ITEM FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, UH, CHILDREN'S MUSEUM. IT'S JUST AN AUGMENTATION TO THEIR PROGRAMMING. AND SO, UH, THEY HAVE SOUGHT TO GET, YOU KNOW, UH, INEXPENSIVE, UH, INEXPENSIVE BUT APPROPRIATE, UH, UH, ADDITIONS OUT THERE WHEN THEY DO THINGS. AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE. UH, SO, UH, IN TERMS OF THIS KIND OF CAROUSEL AND WE'VE ALL LOOKED, UH, THERE'S EVEN SOME LOCALLY MADE ONES AND ALL THAT UNTIL YOU GET INTO A CUSTOM CAROUSEL, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU GET AT THE SMALL OFF THE SHELF UNITS ANYMORE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, HOW MANY CHOICES DID YOU GUYS HAVE TO, UH, WAS THIS THE ONLY THING THAT POPPED UP, UM, THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE TODAY? WERE THERE ANY OTHER CHOICES THAT YOU GUYS HAD FOUND AND HAD MULLED OVER IN HOUSE? I HAVE CONCERNS JUST ON THE DESIGN OF THE CANOPY ON THIS ONE IS A, TO ME, A BIG STEP BACKWARDS FROM THE LAST ONE THAT WE HAD THAT WAS HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE, I DON'T KNOW, A NOSTALGIC FEELING OR NOT, BUT THIS ONE JUST WITH THE FIGURINES FLOATING OUT THERE IN THESE, UH, PANELS, IT JUST, IT JUST IS SO, IT LOOKS MUCH MORE CHEAPER AND IT LOOKS MUCH MORE CONTEMPORARY. AND I HAVE CONCERNS WITH JUST THAT PART OF THE DESIGN ALONE. SO, UH, WERE, WAS THIS THE ONLY CHOICE THAT YOU GUYS MULLED OVER OR WAS THERE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU COULD HAVE PRESENTED? I, FROM, I PERSONALLY WAS NOT INVOLVED WITH THE SEARCH. THAT WAS THE CLIENT. UH, WE DID HAVE MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS COMMISSION'S CONCERN AND, UH, THE VIABILITY, VARIOUS VIABILITY ISSUES WITH WHAT WE PUT THERE. UH, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY'VE LOOKED AT A LARGE NUMBER OF OTHER UNITS AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT WORKED THE BEST. BUT I CANNOT ATTEST TO THAT FIRSTHAND THAT I WASN'T A PART OF THAT PROCESS. UH, IT IS, YOU KNOW, THIS, THE, THE ISSUES HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP HERE PREVIOUSLY, HAVE BEEN TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY. WE'VE DONE WHAT WE CAN, I THINK, TO TRY TO ADDRESS 'EM AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE, THE, THE BEST SOLUTION READILY AVAILABLE THAT MAINTAINED THE AQUATIC THEME, BUT THAT IT IS THE AQUARIUM AND THAT. RIGHT. IT JUST, THIS SEEMS LIKE IT'S JUST A BIG STEP BACK FROM WHERE YOU WERE ON, KNOW THE LAST ONE THAT WAS PRESENTED. AND THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. BUT ALSO WE'RE HAVING TO KIND OF WEIGH THAT OUT ON WHAT, WHAT THE CRITERIA SAYS IN THE ORDINANCE AND WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH. UM, SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE ARE, WE'RE ACTUALLY, WHAT I, WHAT WE'VE SEEN, WE'RE VERY HAPPY WITH QUALITY. MM-HMM . THE, THE ITALIAN MANUFACTURER AND THE DEMO, THE DOCUMENTATION WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET FROM THEM HAS BEEN FAR SUPERIOR TO WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET OUT OF CHINA. SO WE, WE HAVE EVERY EXPECTATION THAT THIS UNIT IS A HIGHER QUALITY ONE THAN WHAT WE HAD BROUGHT FORWARD PREVIOUSLY. UH, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S MAYBE LESSER IN THE, THE, THE AMOUNT OF DESIGN AND THE QUALITY OF DESIGN, UH, UH, JUST [01:05:01] THE AESTHETICS I GUESS IS WHERE I'M KIND OF GOING. UH, THIS ONE JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S A, LIKE THAT AT LEAST THAT CANOPY, IT'S SOME PANELS WITH THESE FIGURINES STUCK ON THE SIDE OF IT. AND GOING BACK TO WHAT WAS PRESENTED LAST TIME, IT, IT JUST SEEMED TO BE MORE INVOLVED THAN A, A, A VERY NICE DETAILS OF THE AESTHETICS WITH A LIKE A TYPICAL CAROUSEL, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY? AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT, IT JUST KIND OF GOT STRIPPED DOWN QUITE A BIT ON THIS DESIGN SO THAT I WOULD HAVE THE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT MOTION. OSI? YES. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, THOSE, I GUESS, ARE THOSE ALL GLOBE LIGHT FIXTURES THERE UNDERNEATH, UH, UNDERNEATH THE CANOPY? IS THAT, ARE THOSE ALL LIGHTS? UM, UM, CAN'T TELL YOU IF EVERY ONE OF THEM LIGHTS. OKAY. UP THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT THEY DO. YES. OKAY. OKAY. AND IT'S ALSO MY, UH, UNDERSTANDING SO FAR THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE LIMIT OF THE LIGHTING UP UNDERNEATH THAT CAN, SO I KNOW ONE OF THE QUESTIONS LIKE THIS ONE, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS, THERE'S A LOT OF THEM , AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT THE NUMBER OF THOSE BULBOUS FEATURES CAN BE REDUCED. THEY'RE BUBBLES. THEY BUBBLES, THEY'RE LITTLE BUBBLES UNDER THE SEA. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE. BUBBLES. BUBBLES. CAN THE BUBBLES BE REDUCED? . OH, THE BUBBLES AND THE PIT. I GET IT. THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM. AND I GET THE IDEA THAT SOMEONE'S GOING TO PRACTICE THEIR ROCK THROWING AGAINST THOSE ONCE IN A WHILE. I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO PRACTICE ROCK THROWING AND POT SHOTTING AT FAIR PARK. AND WE, AND THE ONLY PLACE THAT WE HAVE THAT AS AN ISSUE IS ON OUR ROOTS. AND THAT'S WHEN YOU HEAR THE, UH, 4TH OF JULY AND NEW YEAR'S EVE CELEBRATION. IT RAINS LEAD AT FAIR PARK, UH, TWO OR THREE TIMES A YEAR. UH, BUT IN TERMS OF SOMEONE OUT THERE WITH FIREARMS, TEARING THINGS UP, I CAN'T REALLY SAY THAT HAPPENED, THAT I'M AWARE OF AT FAIR PART. SO I GUESS THE ANSWER WOULD BE NO, YOU CAN'T REDUCE THE NUMBER OF NO, SIR. I, I DON'T THINK WE CAN MODIFY THE UNIT ITSELF. RIGHT. I MEAN, WE CAN PULL 'EM OFF THEN WITH WHAT WE DO WITH IT. UH, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE ANSWER TO THE TASK FORCE COMMENTS. YEAH. IT'LL, THE LIGHTS WILL BE OFF WHEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE. CAN'T BE OFF. THERE'S NOBODY THERE. IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE A NUISANCE. WE'RE SURE THEY WON'T BE A NUISANCE. IN FACT, I'M NOT SURE WHEN THEY'LL BE ON, BECAUSE THE, THE, I CAN'T THINK OF ANY TIME THAT THE AQUARIUM'S ACTUALLY OPEN IN THE DARK ANYWAY. AND WHEN THE AQUARIUM'S OPEN, THIS WILL BE RIGHT. THIS IS NOT A 24 7 FEATURE. IT'S GOT A GATE, IT GOT A FENCE. IT WILL BE SHUT DOWN WHEN, WHEN THE AQUARIUM IS NOT OPERATING. I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE MUCH OF A PROBLEM. SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF INTERPRETING THOSE BUBBLES. THAT, THAT'S, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE INTENDED TO BE. IF YOU SEEN AN AQUARIUM, I HAVE TO AN INSIGHT THAT HADN'T OCCURRED TO ME, AND I LIKE THAT VERY MUCH. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE INTENTION, BUT I'M GOING WITH THAT STORY FROM HERE. OKAY, GOOD. AND YOU CAN SAY YOU'VE GOT IT ON GOOD AUTHORITY , I LOVE. YES. IT'S DON'T, JUST DON'T TELL 'EM WHO PEOPLE IN AUTHORITY HAVE TOLD US. SILVER BUBBLE. I LOVE THAT. ALRIGHTY. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? BECAUSE IF NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S TIME FOR US TO HAVE A MOTION. AND I REALIZE THIS HAS ALL BEEN QUITE A QUESTION. UH, THEY REALLY WANT THIS CAROUSEL TO HELP THEM EDUCATE THE CHILDREN AND GIVE THEM A GOOD TIME AND MAYBE MAKE A TINY BIT OF MONEY. NONE OF THE CAROUSELS ARE EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD'VE DESIGNED FOR FAIR PARK COMMISSIONER RENELL? UH, I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT THE, IS THE PHOTOGRAPH THE ACTUAL, UH, CAROUSEL OR, 'CAUSE I WAS WONDERING IF THE PROPORTIONS ARE THE SAME AS, UM, AS THE DIMENSIONS THAT YOU'VE GIVEN. WELL, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT IS. OKAY. AND I, I, I DIDN'T ASK THAT QUESTION DIRECTLY. I JUST UNDERSTOOD IT WAS AN EXISTING UNIT AND THAT WE WERE BUYING IT, THEY WERE BUYING IT DIRECTLY, UH, FROM SOMEONE WHO OWNED IT AT WHETHER THAT MEANS IT'S ACTUALLY ERECTED AND THAT'S IT, OR WHETHER IT'S DISASSEMBLED, BUT IN A THIRD PARTY'S WAREHOUSE OR SOMETHING, I CAN'T SPEAK TO. RIGHT. BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE'RE, AGAIN, I'M PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT YOU SEE IN OUR DOCUMENTATION, IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE'RE GETTING. AND, AND, UH, I I, I DIDN'T NOTICE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PERCEPTION OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PHOTOGRAPH AND THE DRAWINGS UNTIL WE HAVE IT INVESTIGATED THAT YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ULTIMATELY FOR US, IT'S TRYING TO DECIDE ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS APPROPRIATE. UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK, UH, AN ELEMENT OF AMUSEMENT LIKE THIS, UM, FITS IN A PLACE LIKE THE FAIRGROUNDS THAT IS A FAIR AFTER ALL. UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S THE EXACT COLOR SCHEME TO, TO MATCH A PARTICULAR PERIOD OF TIME, HISTORICAL PERIOD OF TIME, AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT'S MODERN. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S THE DECISION THAT'S BEFORE US, UH, TO, UH, I'LL JUST SAY RIGHT NOW I'M GONNA BE IN SUPPORT OF, UH, OF THE, UM, OF THE SUBMISSION, UH, BECAUSE OF THOSE FACTS. [01:10:01] UM, THAT IT IS SOMETHING UNUSUAL. IT IS SOMETHING OF, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR ENJOYMENT OR IT, IT'S DIFFERENT. IT NEEDS TO BE DIFFERENT. IT OUGHT TO BE DIFFERENT. THANK YOU. I JUST HAD A FOLLOW UP. UH, WELL, NOT A FOLLOW UP, BUT I WANTED TO ALSO, UH, ADDRESS THIS TO STAFF. I GUESS THE FAIR PART, THIS IS YOU, DR. DUN. UM, YOU, YOU WE'RE SUPPORTING IT AS A STAFF, AND I WAS GONNA SEE IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON HOW WE, HOW WE ARE SUPPORTING THIS AND THE CRITERIA THAT IT ACTS, THE BOXES IT CHECKS ON, UH, ON WHERE STAFF REALLY FELL ONTO THIS SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT THIS. WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT THAT. YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. AND H HOW DOES, HOW DID STAFF GET TO THEIR DECISION? AND, AND IF YOU WANTED TO GO INTO DETAIL. WELL, FROM THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE, UH, AMUSEMENTS ARE ALLOWED IN THAT AREA. IT DOES MEET THE CRITERIA GIVEN IN THE FAIR PARK ORDINANCE. I, AND THEN I HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, MY KIDS ARE ALMOST 40, SO , YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? FOR IF I HAD A GRANDCHILD, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, . OKAY. SO THAT'S THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT, THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S FORBIDDEN OR OUT OF COMPLIANCE, PER SE, WITH THE ORDINANCE. AND IT'S A CHILDREN'S AMUSEMENT. SO, I MEAN, I DO HAVE A GREAT NEPHEW, , HE WOULD LIKE IT. OKAY. , I'M KIND OF IN THE SUPPORT STATURE AS WELL FOR AS STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS, AND AS THE COMMENTS I'VE SEEN, I'M NOT WILD ABOUT THIS, THE AESTHETICS, I MM-HMM . I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T MAKE DECISIONS ON PERSONAL TASTE. UH, I'M, I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT I, BUT I, I THINK I WILL SUPPORT THIS IN NATURE BECAUSE OF, UH, ALL THE SUPPORTIVE, UH, FACTS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO THE TABLE. UM, AND IT'S NOT ATTACHED TO THIS TO BUILDINGS. IT'S A AMUSEMENT AREA PART. IT'S A PART OF THE FERRY. IT'S PART, IT'S, UM, IT'S NOT WHAT I WOULD'VE CHOSEN, BUT, BUT I THINK WE'RE CHECKING. I THINK THE RIGHT BOXES MOTION DOES. YES, SIR. UM, YES. I THINK I WOULD'VE TO AGREE WITH MR COMING FROM THAT. I THINK ALSO, I'M NOT, NOT A FAN OF THE DESIGN OF IT. IT IS REVERSIBLE. IT CAN GO AWAY AT SOME POINT. YEAH. IT'S NOT BEING ATTACHED TO A HISTORIC BUILDING. IT'S NOT REPLACING A HISTORIC BUILDING ON THE SITE. SO I THINK BEGRUDGINGLY I MAY BE IN SUPPORT OF IT FOR, FOR THOSE REGIONS. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? BECAUSE WE CAN'T SUPPORT ANYTHING UNTIL SOMEONE MAKES A MOTION. SO IF WE'RE DONE WITH QUESTIONS, THEN SOMEONE NEEDS TO MAKE A MOTION. I HAVE A MOTION. OKAY. UM, DISCUSSION AND REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM ONE, UH, 16TH 1462, FIRST AVENUE, UM, ALSO KNOWN AS, UH, COA DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 4 7. UM, THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE AS SUBMITTED. I'LL SECOND. WHO WAS THE SECOND COMMISSIONER? GAY WAS THE SECOND. ALL RIGHT. NOW, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET EXPRESSED THEMSELVES? COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER? I, I WON'T BE VOTING FOR IT. WE, I DID NOT VOTE FOR IT THE LAST TIME IT WAS BEFORE US, AND THAT WAS AFTER WE HAD WORKED PRETTY HARD ON, YOU KNOW, COMING TOGETHER ON THE COLOR SCHEME. AGAIN, I'M KIND OF PART OF THE MINDSET OF THIS DOES SEEM TO BE A STEP BACKWARDS. THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE TO CREATE A BETTER COLOR SCHEME HAS NOW BEEN LOST, AND IT'S CHANGED. AND IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS ABOUT THE DESIGN. STILL, JUST OUT A PRINCIPLE, I FEEL THAT I CAN'T, BUT, SO THANK YOU, MR. ROSS. SO, I, I, I WANNA SAY ONE MORE THING. I, I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER REALLY BEEN EXPRESSED TO US. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I AM DISAPPOINTED, I HAD TIME TO THINK ABOUT THIS AFTER THE LAST TIME THIS WAS BEFORE US, IS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THE CHILDREN'S AQUARIUM HAS EVER REALLY EXPRESSED TO US THE PURPOSE BEHIND THIS AS THE TRUE REASONS TO WHY. I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS FITS INTO THEIR EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMING. IT'S A CAROUSEL AND IT'S NOT REAL ANIMALS. AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S JUST KIND OF ODD THAT THIS IS JUST JAMMED OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING SEPARATELY. AND I WISH THAT THOUGH, MR. AUSTIN, WE WE'RE PLEASED TO HAVE YOU HERE EXPLAINING ON BEHALF OF THEM. I WISH WE COULD HAVE HAD SOMEONE FROM THE AQUARIUM TO MAYBE EXPRESS THAT REASONING. PERHAPS MR. ALSTON COULD LET ANYONE HE WORKED WITH OUR PARK MIGHT COME FORTH WITH THINGS. LET THEM KNOW. WHY DON'T YOU COME EARLIER BEFORE YOU SIT ON IT, AND THEN WE COULD PERHAPS MORE EXPRESS OUR SHOCK OR AWE OR WHATEVER. IT'S THAT WE FEEL, UM, I, THEY JUST SAID WE HAVE A CAROUSEL OUTSIDE. WE MIGHT HAVE SAID, IF YOU REALLY WANT A CAROUSEL OUTSIDE, WHY YOU THERE A CAROUSEL? I KNOW, BUT [01:15:01] WE ARE HERE NOW READY TO VOTE ON THIS. UNLESS FURTHER COMMENTARY, NO. COMMISSIONER RES. I WON'T BE VOTING AGAINST IT ALSO. ALL RIGHTY. I KIND OF GUESSED THAT ACTUALLY. AND I, I, AGAIN, I, I'M USUALLY NOT SHY ABOUT EXPRESSING THIS. I, I THINK IT LOOKS HORRIBLE. I WISH WE HAD A LOVELY RESTORED VICTORIAN ONE, BUT I KNOW THAT'S $8 MILLION OR SOMETHING AND THERE'S ONLY THREE OF THEM OR SOMETHING, . BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CHILDREN, I GUESS IT'S NOT FOREVER, ESPECIALLY IF IT TURNS OUT TO BE POORLY MADE, IT REALLY WON'T BE FOREVER. IT WILL FALL APART AND WE'LL BE RID OF IT. SO, YOU KNOW, CHILDREN LIKE CHILDISH THINGS AND THEN WE DROP OH, THAT WEEK, WE HOPE. OKAY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? DAN, LET US VOTE ON THIS. ALL THOSE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ALL THOSE NOT IN SUPPORT OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY NO, NO, NO. OKAY. AM I HEARING THAT THERE ARE TWO NO VOTES AND EVERYBODY ELSE AT HOME VOTED YES. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. ALRIGHT, SO THE MOTION HAS CARRIED. NOW, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO MAKE LITTLE OUTFITS FOR EACH OF THOSE SILLY FISH UP ON THE TOP SO THAT THEY WILL LOOK LESS GAUDY. CAN YOU MAKE THEM LITTLE DRESSES IN PRAIRIE STYLE OR SOMETHING? ? I DON'T KNOW. LET'S, LET'S DISCUSS THAT AFTER WE GET IT IN. AND WE HAVE A LANDMARK COMMISSION PROPERLY POSTED ON THE NEW CAR. SO I BET I THINK YOU'LL LIKE IT ONCE YOU, WHEN TRY IT, YOU'LL LIKE IT. ALL RIGHTY. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. OH, THE PEOPLE WHO SAID NO MUST IDENTIFY THEMSELVES PUBLICLY AND ON THE RECORD FOR ELAINE. NO. COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER? NO. COMMISSIONER REEVES. ALL RIGHTY. ALRIGHT, NORM, GO FORTH AND THANK YOU ALL. BUY A CAROUSEL BEFORE THE TARIFFS CHANGE. YOU HAVE TO 10 MINUTES. OKAY. . OKAY. I'M SURE THAT THEY WILL. THANK YOU VERY. DON'T COME AND TELL US YOU NEED IT FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY. . I'LL DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO AVOID THIS DISCUSSION EVER AGAIN. THANK YOU, . THANK YOU. YOU WROTE, HE DIDN'T SAY WHAT COUNTRY IT'S IN, THOUGH. ALL SAID IT WAS FROM ITALY. HE SAID IT WAS FROM ITALY. YES. YEAH, BUT HE SAID IT WAS IN A THIRD PARTY IN ANOTHER COUNTRY, BUT HE DIDN'T SPECIFY WHAT COUNTRY. SO THERE'S TARS ON ALL OF THEM, MAYBE IN ENGLAND. WE'RE NEGOTIATING WITH THEM. ALL RIGHT, NOW I'M GONNA IT UP IS DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER FIVE. DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS LOCATED AT 27 34 PARK ROW IN THE SOUTH BOULEVARD PARK ROW, HISTORIC DISTRICT. UH, THIS, UH, CASE NUMBER IS COA 25, I'M SORRY, COA DASH 25 DASH 36. AND I AM MARCUS WATSON. THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ONE AND A HALF STORY, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL MAIN STRUCTURE AND DETACHED GARAGE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON A VACANT LOT STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ONE AND A HALF STORY, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL MAIN STRUCTURE AND DETACHED GARAGE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 3 25 25 WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT ALL DOORS AND WINDOWS ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE ALL WOOD INSIDE AND OUT WITH NO CLADDING, AND THAT ALL TRIM BE WOOD, NOT CEMENTITIOUS. FIBER BOARD IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA B ONE B TWO, B THREE, B FIVE, B SIX, B SEVEN, B EIGHT, AND B NINE. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A S 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN AT TWO FOR NON-CON NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES. AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS CONSTRUCT A NEW ONE AND A HALF STORY, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL MAIN STRUCTURE AND DETACHED GARAGE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS. SITE PLAN, WE RECOMMEND SHIFTING THE STREET SIDE FENCING TO THE SOUTHEAST TO EXPOSE MOST OF THE PRIMARY HOUSE FACADE SITE PLAN. SIMILARLY, ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE, WE RECOMMEND SHIFTING THE FENCE BACK A FEW FEET FRONT FACADE. WE RECOMMEND SIMPLIFYING THE ENTRYWAY BY REMOVING THE BOX COLUMNS AND KEEPING THE STONE MATERIAL STUD WALL ALONE TO DELINEATE THE ENTRY BEDROOM SIDE WINDOWS. THE WINDOWS ARE NOT HISTORIC IN APPEARANCE. WE RECOMMEND MODIFYING THE SIZE TO A MORE HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE SIZE. PLEASE PROVIDE CUT SHEETS FOR ALL DOORS AND WINDOWS, INCLUDING IN THE GARAGE. OVERALL, WE APPRECIATE THE STEPS THE APPLICANT HAS MADE TO ADDRESS THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS AND LOOK FORWARD TO THIS NEW HOME. TAKING THE PLACE OF THE VACANT QUARTER LOT. THERE'S A NOTE HERE THAT APPLICANT SUBMITTED REVISED PLANS ADDRESSING TASK FORCE COMMENTS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND, UM, NOW THAT WE COULD SEE EVERYBODY WHO'S ONLINE, COMMISSIONER REEVES, YOU SEEM TO BE CHECKED IN. YOU WERE CHECKED IN TWICE NOW. YOU'RE, ARE YOU STILL GETTING THE ECHO NOW THAT YOU'RE NOT CHECKED IN TWICE? OH, YOU'RE CHECKED IN TWICE. SHE'S GONNA KICK [01:20:01] OUT THE ONE THAT WE DON'T SEE YOU ON AND SEE IF THAT FIXES YOUR AUDIO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER ON THIS AND THAT IS DANTE WILLIAMS. AND I SEE YOU ONLINE. SIR, COULD YOU BEGIN BY GIVING US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'LL, AND YOU SWEAR OR PROMISE TO TELL US THE TRUTH? OKAY. MY NAME IS DANTE WILLIAMS. ADDRESS 27 34 PARK ROAD. AND YOU WANT THE ADDRESS OF THE PROJECT OR MY PERSONAL ADDRESS? IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE YOURS. IT'S A CITY PUBLIC MEETING REQUIREMENT, SO, OKAY. SO, UH, 1636 BOY HARBOR DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS. AND I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND WE PROMISE NOT TO DROP BY AT YOUR HOUSE UNEXPECTEDLY JUST BECAUSE YOU GAVE US YOUR ADDRESS . I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY, SIR, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE LISTENING EARLY AT THE BRIEFING, IF YOU HEARD ANY ABOUT OUR CONCERNS, YOU COULD ANSWER THEM OR WAIT FOR US TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS. WELL, I'M GONNA KEEP IT, I'M GONNA KEEP IT SHORT AND SWEET. UM, I, I BELIEVE I ADDRESSED ALL THE ISSUES FROM THE LAST, UM, COMMITTEE AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST LOVE TO HEAR WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT TO BE HONEST. ALL RIGHTY. COMMISSIONERS COMMISSIONER? NO. OKAY. I'M TRYING NOT TO CALL ON YOU FIRST EVERY TIME, BUT THAT'S OKAY. NO WORRIES. YOU ARE JUST SO HELPFUL THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR. UM, NOW I HAD A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. SO, UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE'VE HAD WAS THE, JUST THE SIZE OF THE GABLE THAT'S GONNA BE FACING THE SIDE STREET. AND, UM, I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE SORT OF THE LIMITS OF THE BACK SIDE OF THAT GABLE THAT'S ABOUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HOUSE. SO I REALIZE THE, THE, THE PLATE HEIGHT IS 12 FEET AND IT'S PROBABLY FOR THE, FOR THE FAMILY ROOM OR LIVING ROOM THAT'S IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HOME. UM, DO YOU HAVE THE, UM, THE, I GUESS ANY WIGGLE ROOM TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT GABLE A LITTLE STEEPER AND, AND CONSEQUENTLY SHORTER? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO IF YOU KEEP, KEEP THE SAME RIDGE LINE AND YOU KEEP THE SAME FRONT, UM, SOFFIT LINE, IF YOU ABLE TO BASICALLY SHRINK THE, THE LENGTH OF THAT GABLE, SO THOSE TWO LINES KIND OF CAN, UH, CONVERGE. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M DESCRIBING IT WHERE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I CAN BARELY UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING. BUT, UM, IF THAT GEOMETRY WOULD WORK TO, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. SO EXPLAIN TO ME AGAIN, WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS ONE. AND I'M, I'M, AND I'M, I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHY I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DIDN'T GO OVER THIS IN THE FIRST ONE AND, YOU KNOW, UH, SO I KIND OF, AND I I I WOULD'VE TRIED MY BEST TO CORRECT IT THEN, RIGHT? RIGHT. UM, BUT SO, BUT EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO IN WHICH, WHICH AREA. SO LET ME TAKE A STEP BACK AND JUST APPLAUD YOU FIRST FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE DONE THAT WE ASKED LAST TIME. MM-HMM . I REALLY APPRECIATE, I CAN SEE ALL THE, THE CHANGES THAT I HAD SUGGESTED THAT YOU, YOU MADE , UH, TAKING OUT THE BRICK, ADDING STUCCO, CHANGING PROPORTIONS AND WINDOWS AND ARCHES AND ALL OF THAT. I, I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORT THAT YOU WENT TO. UM, ALL WE'RE SUGGESTING NOW IS THAT, UM, 'CAUSE I I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY REALLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS HAPPENING WITH THE ROOF FOR THE FIRST TIME AROUND OR WITH THE, THE, THE LARGE, UH, LIVING ROOM IN THE MIDDLE AND THE FACT THAT THAT GABLE IS NOW TRYING TO COVER THAT ROOM TOO. AM I CORRECT IN THIS, IN ASSUMING THAT YEAH, THE G COVERS THE, I BELIEVE IT COVERS THE LIVING ROOM AND THE, UM, I DON'T HAVE IT PULLED UP AND IT'S GONE NOW, BUT I BELIEVE IT COVERS THE LIVING ROOM AND THE, THAT FRONT BEDROOM. RIGHT, BECAUSE IT COVERS THAT WHOLE SIDE FROM FRONT END OF THE LIVING ROOM. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO, UM, UM, SO, WELL, LET'S SEE. SO ARE YOU SAYING PINCH IT AND MAKE IT TO WHERE IT DOESN'T COVER PORTIONS OF THE BEDROOM AND KIND OF PINCH IT IN AND RECREATE THE ROOF LINE? WELL, I GUESS WHAT I'M SUGGESTING THOUGH IS THAT IT, IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE? AND IF IT'S, IF IT'S NOT, I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT. UM, YEAH, GONNA LEAVE IT AT THAT. OKAY. WELL LET, LET'S, LET'S SAY THIS, I CAN, IF WE CAN AGREE TO MOVE FORWARD AFTER THIS, I WILL ASK TO STILL MOVE FORWARD. AND SO I DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND REDO THIS AGAIN ANOTHER FEW MONTHS. I WOULD ASK MY ARCHITECT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE AND IF, IF MARCUS IF YOU ARE AVAILABLE AND IF I CAN SUBMIT IT, SHOW MARCUS AND SEE IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. AND, AND IF WE CAN STAMP IT WITH THE APPROVAL TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD, I WOULD AT LEAST TRY TO SEE WHAT THEY SAY. I COULD DO THAT FOR YOU. PERFECT. I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MUCH. YOU WELCOME. I DID WANNA THROW UP REAL QUICK, I DID WANNA THROW UP REAL QUICK THE, UM, WHAT YOU SAW AT COURTESY REVIEW. MM-HMM . AND THAT, THAT'S THAT SIDE FACADE, THAT COURTESY REVIEW AT THAT POINT, IT WAS POINTED OUT THAT THE, THAT, THAT THAT REAR, UM, ROOF NEEDED TO COME ON DOWN TO [01:25:01] THE SAME SOCKET LINE, BUT THAT, THAT WAS THE ONLY CHANGE THERE. OH, WELL, WELL, OH MY GOD. THAT WAS, THAT'S ACTUALLY, THAT'S BEEN CORRECTED AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WHAT THEY DID, BUT WE ACTUALLY CORRECTED THAT. NO, THAT'S, I'M, I, THIS, THESE ARE, THIS IS THE DRAWING FROM, OH, THIS IS THE ONLY, OKAY, , I'M SORRY. YEAH. OKAY. SO JUST TO, OKAY, THIS IS GENERALLY A TIME WHEN WE ASK THE APPLICANT QUESTIONS, BUT I NEED CLARIFICATION FROM COMMISSIONER RENO. YOUR SOLUTION FOR THAT ROOF IS IT GETS TALLER OR IT GETS SKINNIER OR IT GETS SKINNIER. IT DOES NOT GET ANY TALLER BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S QUITE A CHANGE. AND I'M ASKING THIS BECAUSE AS A CONDITION, UH, APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS THAT REQUIRES THAT KIND OF CHANGE FROM, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT IT WILL BE. I WOULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE VOTING FOR THAT, SO I PROBABLY WOULDN'T MM-HMM . SO I'M JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE THAT THIS IS NOT LIKE SAYING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SAID MAKE IT TWO FEET TALLER AT THE POINT OR SOMETHING, THEN THAT WE COULD DO. BUT I JUST, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WOULD LOOK IF THEY MADE IT MUCH LESS WIDE, A TINY BIT MORE TOO, OR HOW IT WOULD FIT IN THE, I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A NUMBER TWO FEET , YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OH NO, I CAN DO, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WOULD RELATE WITH THE OTHER ROOFS AND, AND I SAY AND STUFF 12. I'D SAY 12 AND 12 INSTEAD OF 10 AND 12. HOW ABOUT THAT? THAT SOUNDS MUCH MORE OFFICIAL. I LIKE THAT BETTER. OKAY. WONDERFUL. OKAY. BUT IF, IF WE WERE TO DO A CONDITION LIKE THAT, I WOULD WANT TO THERE TO BE WORDS DESCRIBING EXACTLY WHAT SHAPE IT WOULD BE SO THAT I WOULD KNOW WHAT I'M VOTING FOR. I FIGURED OUT A BETTER WAY TO SAY IT. YES. SO IF, IF THAT SHOULD HAPPEN, I I'M GONNA WANT DETAILS. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WOULD NOW, NOW ARE WE, EXCUSE ME NOW, WOULD, WOULD THAT BE ON BOTH SIDES? I CAN, I, I CAN'T REALLY TELL. SO IS THAT THE SAME ON BOTH SIDES AND NOT JUST THAT ONE SIDE? YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. IT WOULD, IT WOULD TAKE THAT MAIN CROSS GABLE AND SHORTEN IT IN LET IN LENGTH FROM FRONT TO BACK BY FOUR FEET. YOU'RE KEEPING THE HEIGHT EXACTLY THE SAME AS IT IS TODAY. OKAY. KEEP THE HEIGHT THE SAME. AND WE'RE SAYING BRING THE LOWER, THE TWO LOWER PARTS IN. THAT'S CORRECT. JUST THE REAR, NO FRONT AND BACK. 'CAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE BALANCED. IT NEEDS TO BE THE SAME. SO IT NEEDS TO BE THE FRONT END. SO IT, IT IS PINCH IT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO 10, 12. SO HERE I'M, I'M GONNA ASK THIS AGAIN. CURRENTLY IT'S CURRENTLY IT'S 10 AND 12 AND I'M SUGGESTING 12 AND 12. OKAY. NOW, NOW, BUT EVEN BEFORE WE DO THAT NOW, DO WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE PERSON THAT'S AGREEING WITH THIS? UH, THERE HAVE BEEN A, IT HAS TO BE VOTED FIRST. WE DON'T KNOW YET. YEAH, WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON IT YET, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW PEOPLE WHO DID THINK THAT IT IS NOT THE PROPORTION OF A TRIANGLE THAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE IN THIS STYLE. IT IS TOO WIDE OR TOO SHORT, ONE OR THE OTHER, UM, THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE A BIT MORE UPRISING KIND OF POINT. SO THERE ARE OTHERS WHO HAVE EXPRESSED AGREEMENT AND OTHERS WHO HAVE NOT SAID ANYTHING. SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY THINK. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. WOULD ANY OF THEM LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING? NOW? I'M SUCH A GREAT LEADER, IF YOU IS IS COMMISSIONER? THIS IS COMMISSIONER OSA. I'D LIKE TO SPEAK PLEASE. YOU GO RIGHT AHEAD. COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA. OKAY. UH, I'M NOT, UH, GOING TO VOTE FOR THE NEW SUGGESTION. UH, I THINK IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP, UH, LAST TIME. UH, SO I'D LIKE TO JUST LEAVE IT ALONE. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES THAT I HAVE NOT HEARD FROM YET? 'CAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU THINK. I GOT A QUESTION. I ALREADY KNOW WHAT YOU THINK, BUT OKAY, GO AHEAD, . UM, AM I HEARING THAT, UM, YOU WANT TO PROCEED FORWARD AS IS OR, OR AND YOU'RE NOT WANTING TO DO ANY MODIFICATIONS TO WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING? IS THAT THE CASE? AND THE REASON BEING IS 'CAUSE I HAVE MAIN, I HAVE LARGE CONCERNS WITH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HEIGHT AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ROOF PITCHES. AND I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE, UM, UM, VERY WELL SAID AND VERY AND SHOULD BE THOUGHT OF. BUT TO ME, THE WHOLE, THE MASS OF THE ROOF BEING TWO, TWO THIRDS OF THE HEIGHT OF THIS WHOLE BUILDING TO ME IS A LARGE ISSUE. IT'S WHAT YOU, YOU GOT 27 FEET TO FINISHED FLOOR TO THE TOP OF THE APEX OF THE ROOF AND YOUR PLATE LINE'S 10 FEET. SO [01:30:03] THAT'S THE SCALE OF THIS AND THE ROOF. THERE'S SO MUCH ROOF THAT IT, TO ME, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S REALLY OUTTA WHACK. UM, AND, BUT IF YOU WANT TO, YOU'RE WANTING TO PROCEED BY AND NOT LISTEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS. I UNDERSTAND. AND THAT'S YOUR RIGHT. BUT I'M GONNA HAVE, UM, I PROBABLY WON'T, I PROBABLY WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS BECAUSE I THINK THE SCALE IS WAY OUTTA WHACK ON THE ROOF. TO CLARIFY, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT DID NOT SAY HE DID NOT WISH TO MAKE ANY CHANGES. HE HOPED THEY WOULD NOT BE SEVERE ENOUGH THAT THEY HAD TO DO A WHOLE NEW SET OF DRAWINGS. OKAY. COME BACK IN A COUPLE MONTHS BECAUSE HE'S GOT VERY GOOD, MISUNDERSTOOD. BUT I'M, I WOULD LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE, THE, THE ROOF SCALE AND IF, IF YOU ARE APPLICABLE TO, TO CHANGE IT. UM, BUT I'M, I MAY BE IN THE MINORITY HERE. UH, WELL, UM, WE COULD ASK IF THE ROOF SCALE IS NECESSARY FOR WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. WELL, I GUESS THAT IS MY QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT IS ARE, ARE YOU, UM, WILLING TO, UH, HEAR THE SUGGESTIONS ABOUT MAYBE CHANGING THE, THE SIZE OF THIS ROOF? WELL, I'M, I'M, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MAKING THE ROOF PITCH DIFFERENT, EVEN THE MASSIVE SCALE. I'M, I'M, I'M HERE, I'VE BEEN IN EVERY MEETING. I'M, I'M HERE TO, TO, TO LISTEN. UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE TO GO ANY FURTHER, UH, DUE TO, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT THE ROOF LINE, THE HEIGHT OF THE ROOF WASN'T BROUGHT UP IN THE LAST, UM, THE LAST MEETING. BUT IF, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT I HAVE TO LOOK INTO, I WILL LOOK INTO IT. YOU KNOW, MY BIGGEST THING IS THAT I WOULD, UM, IF I, IF I AGREE TO DOING SOMETHING JUST TO SEE IF WE CAN PUT A STAMP ON IT AND STILL PRESS FORWARD WITH THE, UH, WITH THE SUBMITTING THE PLANS TO, IF IT'S MARK, I KEEP SAYING MARCUS, 'CAUSE MARCUS IS THE GUY THAT I'M WORKING WITH. IF I SEND TO HIM SHOWING THAT I, THEY WAS ABLE TO BRING IT DOWN DUE TO THE DESIGN OF THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, AND IF I WAS ABLE TO PRESENT IT AND WE STILL CAN PRESS FORWARD, WHAT I, WHAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID IS HAVING TO WAIT ANOTHER FEW MONTHS TO JUST DO THIS MEETING AGAIN. ALL RIGHTY. UM, AND WE ALWAYS TRY TO HELP PEOPLE OUT WITH THAT. SOMETIMES IF WE WANT SOMETHING TO CHANGE AND IT'S A LARGE CHANGE, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PLACE IT UPON STAFF TO APPROVE IT. IF WE JUST SAY WE WANT A SMALLER ROOF, HOW WILL MARCUS KNOW WHETHER YOUR SMALLER ROOF HAS MET THAT? SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE CONCERN HERE. WE SHOULD ALSO TAKE NOTE OF WHAT COMMISSIONER HOSA SAID, WHICH WAS THAT THE MAN HAS BEEN HERE BEFORE OR WE DIDN'T MENTION SOME OF THESE CONCERNS AND WE DIDN'T GET THEM ACROSS STRONGLY ENOUGH PERHAPS. AND THAT THAT IS UNFAIR AND WE MUST CONSIDER THAT. AND HIS FEELINGS ABOUT THAT AND HOW UNFAIR IT MIGHT BE TO, TO CHANGE NOW. BUT ALSO HE'S BUILDING A HOUSE WHICH WILL STAND, WE HOPE FOR 150 YEARS. SO WE DO WANT THE HOUSE TO BE RIGHT FOR THE WELLBEING OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU CAN ALL WEIGH THOSE TWO MORAL DILEMMAS WITHIN YOUR OWN HEAD. I THINK COMMISSIONER POSI IS NEXT. YEAH. SO I, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE HERE OR NOT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL HERE EVERY TIME. SOMETIMES WE GET SICK. UH, YEAH. SO MY QUESTION WAS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION IN THE DORMER THERE, THE, UH, WINDOWS, UM, I BELIEVE ARE THOSE FIXED WINDOWS? I THINK THEY'RE, I'M LOOKING AT THE WINDOW PATTERNING. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S A SIX LIGHT WINDOW AND THERE ALL THE REST ARE EITHER SIX OVER SIX OR SIX OVER ONE. YEAH. I LET SEE IF I CAN PULL UP THE, THE, THOSE ARE IN THE DORMER ON THE FRONT ELEVATION. IT'S SIX, IT'S A SIX LIGHT WINDOW. INSTEAD OF EITHER BEING 606 OR 601, IT'S JUST DIFFERENT. IT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER ONE. IT'S CALLED OUT. IT'S BB DORMERS BOTTOM. SO THEY MADE IT A THREE OVER THREE INSTEAD OF A SIX OVER SIX MISSING. WELL, I DON'T THINK IT'S A THREE OVER THREE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S A, I THINK IT'S A FIXED WINDOW. IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A THREE OVER THREE INSTEAD OF A WHAT? SO IT DOES SAY DOUBLE LONG. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE DOUBLE ON ON THE DRAWING THOUGH. YEAH, IT'S NOT DRAWN THAT, I MEAN I THINK IT SHOULD BE SIX OVER SIX MATCHING THE REST OF THE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION AND THAT, THAT'S AN EASY CHANGE. . MM-HMM . THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT A ROOF CHANGE. NO, THAT'S NOT A ROOF. IS THERE A SPECIFICATION FOR THAT WINDOW SOMEPLACE? THERE IS IS IT SAYS DOUBLE HUNG IN THERE, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK DOUBLE HUNG ON THE DRAWING. OKAY. NO, IT'S NOT SCHEDULE ACCEPTED ON THE, THE WINDOW SCHEDULE. UM, ON [01:35:02] IT SAYS FRAME SIZE OUTSIDE CASTINGS SIGHT LINE DOUBLE HUNG PRODUCT S FLAT ON SHEET. A 1 0 1 . YEAH. THEY SHOW THAT THEY'RE, WELL IT SAYS DOUBLE HUNG THOUGH. THEY DON'T HAVE A SASH IN THERE. THEN IT SAYS DOUBLE HUNG IT, IT SITE LINE DOUBLE HUNG PRODUCT WHAT THAT BACK FLASHBACK PICTURE WOULD FIXED OR LAST. BUT WHAT I WAS SAYING IS ON UM, SHEET A 1 0 1, IT DOES SAY FIXED ON THAT. SO I THINK THEY'RE JUST NOT MATCHING UP. OKAY. SO SIR, WHICH IS IT? I'M, I'M LOOKING AT IT AS WELL. SO NOW THIS IS MY QUESTION. WITH IT BEING A DORMA, DO YOU GUYS WANT 'EM, UM, WANT 'EM TO OPERATE OR DO THEY NEED OR COULD THEY BE FIXED? I DON'T THINK WE CARE ABOUT OPERATION. IT'S JUST THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF LITTLE LIGHTS IN IT AS THE OTHER WINDOWS ON THE FRONT. THEY HAVE SIX OVER SIX AND THIS DOESN'T HAVE SIX ABOVE SIX MORE. SO IN OTHER WORDS, IT SHOULD BE 12 PANS INSTEAD OF JUST SIX INSTEAD OF THE THREE OVER THREES UHHUH. CORRECT. CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S A, THAT'S A EASY CORRECTION. YEAH, THAT'S AN EASY CORRECTION. AND AND SOMETIMES IN THE DORMERS TOO, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN BASEMENT WINDOWS FACE EVEN DIAMOND PATTERN. BUT YEAH, SOMETIMES IN A DORMER LIKE THAT THERE ARE LOVELY SKINNY CASEMENT ONES WITH THE DIAMOND PATTERN. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D WANNA CONSIDER THAT. THESE ARE NOT THAT SKINNY BUT OKAY. DORM. YEAH. ALRIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? YOU STILL HAVE YOUR LIGHT ON? COMMISSIONER? OH SORRY. ANYONE AT HOME HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? 'CAUSE IF WE ARE OUT OF QUESTIONS, IT IS TIME FOR MOTION AND WHERE WE ARE ON THAT. I DO NOT KNOW. COMMISSIONER RENO HAS TURNED ON HIS LIGHT. YEAH, I HAVE MOTION, UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UH, THE ADDRESS 2 7 3 4 PARK ROAD, UH, ALSO KNOWN AS C-A-C-O-A DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 3 6 THAT WE UM, FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH CONDITIONS WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT THE MAIN CROSS GABLE THE, UM, SLOPE BE ADJUSTED TO 12 AND 12, 10 AND 12 SECOND. TODAY IT'S 10 AND 12. I'M PROPOSING TO CHANGE IT TO 12 AND 12. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. THE EXACT SAME HEIGHT THAT IT IS. WE'RE NOT QUITE DONE. COMMISSIONER . SO JUST, WELL, YOU WANT THE SLOPE TO BE 12 OVER 12. ANY OTHER ADJUSTMENT OR JUST IT'S GONNA GET TALLER? UH, SORRY, KEEPING THE SAME HEIGHT. OKAY. SO MAKING IT SPREAD AS A TRIANGLE. YEAH. WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT BOTTOM PART? . THE, THE BASE OF THE TRIANGLE WOULD BE NARROWER. I DUNNO HOW YES, EXACTLY, BUT APPROXIMATELY FOUR FEET. WELL I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A WORD FOR THE BASE BUT THE SOFFIT. OKAY, THAT'S A GOOD WORD. BASE OF TRIANGLE WILL BECOME NARROWER IN PROPORTION AS NEEDED TO MAKE THAT YES SLOPE. OKAY. SECOND. COMMISSIONER OFFIT SECOND. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COURSE. UM, DID YOU INCLUDE THE WINDOW IN THAT MOTION? I APOLOGIZE. I DID NOT. UM, I GUESS I COULD MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT THE, THE FRONT DORMER WINDOWS BE 12 LIGHTS, EITHER A CASEMENT OR SIX OVER SIX WINDOW AS NOTED. YEAH. AND DOES THE UM, SECOND AGREE WITH THAT COMMISSIONER OFFIT WITH THE REQUIREMENT ON THE WINDOW IN THE DORMER? YES. ALRIGHTYY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? 'CAUSE IN THAT CASE WE'RE READY FOR VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED PLEASE SAY NO. NO, NO. OKAY. PLEASE STATE IF YOU SAID NO. COMMISSIONER HOSA GO FIRST. CANOSA COMMISSIONER OSA? NO. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE ONLINE THAT SAID NO AND I MISSED IT. ALL RIGHT AND COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS. COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS STATES NO. ALL. SO WE HAVE RECORDED WHO SAID NO, BUT THE REST OF US SAID YES. THEREFORE THIS UH, , THIS MOTION HAS CARRIED. SORRY TO DEFEAT YOU. THAT'S A UNFAIR. SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD MR. WILLIAMS WITH YOUR CONSTRUCTION. I I THAT CHANGING THE ROOF MAY BE A LITTLE COMPLICATED BUT WITH ALL THAT DARN GEOMETRY AND EVERYTHING. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND GIVE US DRAWINGS, YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE MARCUS CHECK IT OUT LIKE YOU REQUESTED. OKAY? THANK YOU. NOW, NOW CAN I CLARIFY THIS NOW RIGHT NOW IT IS IS IT'S SHOWING A 1212 RIGHT NOW OR A 10 12? RIGHT NOW IT'S 10 AND 12 RIGHT NOW. OKAY, SO WE WANNA TAKE IT TO A 1212. YES SIR. YES. SO, OKAY. YEAH, SO WE WOULD KEEP THE SAME RIDGE HEIGHT. THE THE HEIGHT HOME [01:40:01] DOESN'T CHANGE. IT'S 27 AND SOME INCHES. UH, YOU KEEP THE FRONT SUPT AND YOU JUST PULL THE HOLE UH, TABLE FORWARD. OKAY. JUST BASICALLY BRING THEM IN, PINCH 'EM TOWARDS EACH OTHER. YES SIR. OKAY, WELL THAT WAS AN EASY WAY TO SAY IT. HE GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I WAS NOT ABLE TO SAY WHAT YOU JUST SAID. ALL APPRECIATE EVERYTHING. OKAY, WELL THEN YOU ARE GOOD TO GO AND THANK YOU FOR WANTING TO GO THIS LOVELY NEW HOME ON PARK ROW AND WE CAN HARDLY WAIT TO SEE IT FINISHED. JUST ADD REAL QUICK, DANTE, JUST BE SURE TO, I'LL NEED YOU TO GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT THE NEW DRAWINGS TO ME. UH, I WILL SO THAT I CAN STAMP THEM FOR YOU. OKAY. I'LL HAVE 'EM TO YOU NO LATER THAN FRIDAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ALRIGHTY. SO HAVING FINISHED D FIVE, NEXT IS D SEVEN. OKAY, DISCUSSION ITEM D SEVEN. THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 2 2 7 SOUTH CLIFF STREET IN THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH TWO FIVE DASH 22. THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL DUPLEX BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL DUPLEX BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 4 28 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE THAT WINDOWS BE TOP ALIGNED ON LEFT AND RIGHT SIDE ELEVATIONS TWO, THAT FRONT PORCH DEPTH BE A MINIMUM OF SIX FEET BEHIND PORCH COLUMNS. THREE THAT FOUNDATION B PIER AND BEAM FOUR THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE A BRUSH FINISHED. CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION C PERTAINING TO SITE AND SITE ELEMENTS AND SECTION B UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBEC SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION. NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS. NUMBER ONE FOUNDATION SHOULD BE EITHER BE CONCRETE POSTS AND BEAM OR PEER AND BEAM. NUMBER TWO, ALIGN WINDOWS ON ALL ELEVATIONS. ALRIGHT, AND WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER ON, OH, THERE YOU ARE. OKAY, RAMONA, I THOUGHT YOU HAD ESCAPED BUT HERE YOU ARE. JESSICA GARRETT. YES. OKAY. PLEASE TELL US YOUR NAME EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT AND YOUR ADDRESS AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. JESSICA GARRETT. 5 1 4 HANOVER, ALLEN, TEXAS AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. ALRIGHT, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. UM, SO THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THIS ONE HAS BEEN HERE. IT MADE THAT THIS TIME IN A MUCH NICER FASHION. UM, WE WENT BACK AND REEVALUATED THE NEIGHBORHOOD, DIFFERENT HISTORICAL CONTEXT IN THE AREA AND DIFFERENT RESIDENCES. UM, 1120 CHURCH STREET WAS ONE THAT WE LIKED A LOT FOR THIS PROJECT. UM, AND WE CHOSE TO BASE OUR INSPIRATION OFF OF THAT PROPERTY AS WELL AS A FEW OTHERS IN THE AREA. UM, AND PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ELSE IS THE SAME. ON THIS ONE, WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE PARKING THAT'S NO LONGER ON THE SIDES OF THE BUILDING, BUT IN THE REAR. UM, AND THEN THE INTERIOR AGAIN IS THE SAME AND WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO MEET EVERYTHING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE. SO ALL OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. ANYONE, HOW MANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT? UM, I HAVE A MOTION. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. OKAY. UM, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, UH, 2 2 7 SOUTH CLIFF STREET, UM, ALSO KNOWN AS CACO A DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 22 THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION ALONG WITH CONDITIONS AS STATED. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. AND THE SECOND CAME FROM COMMISSIONER POSI. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, THEN I CALL FOR VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. [01:45:02] ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, IT APPEARS THE MOTION HAS CARRIED. SO OBVIOUSLY YOU DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB, DIDN'T YOU? SO NOW YOU CAN MOVE ON WITH THIS ONE. COMMISSIONER PREZI. AND WHEN, WHEN WILL WE EVER SEE YOU AGAIN? OH, THE NEXT CASE. OKAY. . ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE TO READ THAT ONE ON THE RECORD. YOU COULD SIT DOWN IF YOU WANTED TO . SO THAT WOULD BE DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 12. OKAY, THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF. DISCUSSION ITEM D 12. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1145 BETTERTON CIRCLE IN THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 23. THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL DUPLEX BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL DUPLEX BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 4 28 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE THAT WINDOWS BE TOP OF LINE ON REAR ELEVATION. TWO, THAT FRONT PORCH DEPTH VIA MINIMUM OF SIX FEET BEHIND PORCH COLUMNS. THREE THAT FOUNDATION, B, PIER AND BEAM AND FOUR THAT LOURED VENT ON FRONT. DORMER BE RECTANGULAR WITH A LANDSCAPE ORIENTATION. AND FIVE THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE OF BRUSH FINISHED. CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION C PERTAINING TO SITE SITE ELEMENTS AND SECTION B UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION. NO QUORUM COMMENTS. ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS. NUMBER ONE FOUNDATION SHOULD EITHER BE CONCRETE POSTS AND BEAM OR PURIN BEAM. NUMBER TWO, ALIGN WINDOWS ON ALL, ALL ELEVATIONS. NUMBER THREE, CORRECT THE SITE PLAN. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU JESSICA. GARRETT, PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO SQUARE YOU IN AGAIN. I THINK WE GOT IT. OKAY. UM, SO FOR THIS PROJECT AS WELL, IT'S COMING BACK VERY DIFFERENT THAN IT DID THE FIRST TIME AROUND. UM, WE'RE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING IN THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE INSTEAD OF ON THE SIDES COMPLETELY CHANGING THE MASSING. UM, THE INTERIOR IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS PROJECT. IT'S STILL A DUPLEX. WE SEE THAT DOUBLE FRONT PORCH WITH THE DOUBLE ENTRANCES. AND THIS ONE AS WELL, WE'VE KIND OF MODELED IT AFTER THREE 11 MOOD STREET, WHICH IS THE, IN THE SAME HISTORIC DISTRICT. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, I HAVE A MOTION, MADAM CHAIR. WELL, THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. IN THE MATTER OF COA 2 5 0 0 0 0 2 3 11 45 BARTON CIRCLE, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ACCORDING TO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. SECOND AND THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER RES, COMMISSIONER GAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THEN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, IT APPEARS THAT YOU HAVE PASSED UNANIMOUSLY, SO CONGRATULATIONS. YOU HAVE TWO HOUSES, BILL. THANK YOU. OH, SHE ACTS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE FUN TO BUILD TWO HOUSES. OH, THE HEADACHES, . ALL RIGHTY. NOW WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, DO WE WISH TO TAKE A LITTLE BREAK FOR A FEW MINUTES BEFORE WE BEGIN? WHAT MAY BE OUR SECOND HALF? YEAH, DON'T EVEN WAIT FOR ME. . ALRIGHT. IT IS NOW 2 56. WE'LL BE BACK HERE AT 3 0 1. IT SAYS, I WE'LL SEE ABOUT THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SOUNDS GOOD. MM-HMM . [01:50:44] SO YEAH. OKAY. I, I KNOW . ? NO, UM, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING. WHAT ABOUT, THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE. OKAY. YEAH, I, [01:55:30] I'M CHEWING SO A LOT OF CREAM. ARE YOU? NOT MY FAULT. IT'S YOUR FAULT. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE ALL RETURNED AND WE ARE READY TO GO FORWARD WITH DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. STAFF. YEAH. STAFF. OKAY. READY? SNACK BREAK. OKAY. ALRIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON. WE ARE ON, WHAT IS IT? D EIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF. DISCUSSION ITEM D EIGHT. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1102 CHURCH STREET IN THE 10TH STREET. HISTORIC DISTRICT CASE NUMBER OR THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 DASH 52. THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION TO DEMOLISH A MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING USING THE STANDARD IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY. UNAUTHORIZED WORK STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION TO DEMOLISH A MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING USING THE STANDARD IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY UNAUTHORIZED WORK BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE STRUCTURE BE RECONSTRUCTED UNDER SEPARATE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPROVAL WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT WHILE THE WORK DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARD IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION H FOUR C, THE DEMOLITION HAS ALREADY OCCURRED. TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, NO QUORUM, NO COMMENTS. OKAY, . ALRIGHT. AND WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER FOR THIS ITEM. JAMES MCGEE. IT'S YOUR TURN, SIR. AND BY NOW YOU ALREADY KNOW I NEED YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. UH, I THE ADDRESS. OKAY, SIR, YOU HAVE, UM, THREE MINUTES TO TELL US A BIT MORE ABOUT THIS REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION. I GUESS, LET ME SAY, I'VE DONE THINGS PROGRESS MATTER CHAIR. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE MICROPHONE IS ON. OKAY. IS THE LIGHT SHOWING? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. TRY AGAIN AND LET'S SEE IF THEY CAN, OH YEAH, THAT SHOULD BE GREAT. LET ME GET CLOSER. BUT , LIKE I SAID, MY NAME IS, UH, JAMES MCGEE. I'M PRESIDENT OF, UH, SOUTHERN DALLAS PROGRESS, CDC. WE'RE A NONPROFIT, UH, ORGANIZATION IN WHICH WE'RE WORKING TO, UH, ACQUIRE AND REHAB SEVERAL PROPERTIES WITHIN THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD, 1 0 2 NORTH CLIFF BEING ONE IN, IN WHICH I RECENTLY APPROVED LAST WEEK. UH, THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION TODAY IS AT LEVEL OH TWO CHURCH WE ACQUIRED, ACQUIRED THIS PROPERTY IN 2024 FROM A PREVIOUS OWNER IN WHICH THEY HAD TWO PREVIOUS, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AS FOR THE OUTSIDE, WE LATER OBTAINED ANOTHER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO, UH, IN A SENSE CORRECT THE WINDOWS. WE PROCEEDED WITH CONSTRUCTION ON THAT. WE DID LEAVE THE EXISTING FRAMING THE EXISTING FOUR CORNERS OF IT, TOP PLATE AND BOTTOM PLATE AS FAR AS ON THE FRAMING SYSTEM. WE, AS YOU'VE SEEN THE PICTURES, UM, MISTAKENLY, UH, REMOVE SOME OF THE EXISTING SIDING. UM, BUT IT HAD SEVERE, UH, WOOD AND TERMITE DAMAGE WITHIN THE INSIDE. A LOT OF BUILDING CODE ISSUES. AS FOR THE, THE SHIP LA FRAMING SYSTEM, UM, PARTICULARLY ON THE PROJECT AS FAR AS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, IT REMAINS THE SAME EXACT SQUARE FOOTAGE IN WHICH WE ORIGINALLY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. WE DID A AS BELT BEFORE WE DID ANY, UH, YOU KNOW, WORK TO IT. SO NOTHING HAS CHANGED AS FAR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE LIKE DR. DUN HAS MENTIONED. IS THAT THE INTERIOR, OF COURSE, THAT WE'VE CHANGED THE, THE LAYOUT. BUT I SAID OUR INTENT IS TO KEEP DOING PROPERTY WITHIN INTENTION STREET 10 STREET AND STORY DISTRICT AND NOTHING IN WHICH WE DID TODAY OR DID ON THAT PROPERTY WITH MALICIOUS AS FAR AS OUR INTENT, THAT'S ACTUALLY OUR FIRST PROPERTY DOING WITHIN [02:00:01] THEIR STORY DISTRICT. UM, AND DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ALRIGHT, WELL, FIRST WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY AS WE ASKED HIM TO TELL US SOME THINGS ABOUT THIS. IT IS ALWAYS OF CONCERN TO US WHEN ANYTHING BAD HAPPENS TO A BUILDING THAT LEAVES IT A SHADOW OF ITSELF. PRETTY MUCH. IT'S NOT REALLY THERE ANYMORE. WE DO UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEX SITUATION OF THERE HAVING BEEN TWO PEOPLE, TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES WORKING ON THIS, THAT HAS LED US TO THIS POINT. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. UM, I CAN PROCEED WITH THIS STATEMENT, UM, AND I'LL TRY TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT I HEARD IN AGGREGATE. UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR MYSELF OR MARCUS, WE'LL WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO ANSWER THOSE. SO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION AS AN ENTITY IS TASKED WITH, UH, IDENTIFYING, PRESERVING, AND PROMOTING CITY'S HISTORIC AND ARCHITECTURAL RESOURCES. AND YOU GUYS DEVELOP PRESERVATION PLANS, REVIEWED, RECOMMEND, DESIGNATIONS, PERMITS, DEMOTIONS, ET CETERA. AND AS SUCH, YOU GUYS ARE NOT A PRO PROSECUTORIAL BODY, NOR ARE YOU AN ADJUDICATIVE BODY LIKE A, LIKE A COURT. AND SO YOU HAVE LIMITED INVESTIGATIVE AUTHORITY. IT'S REALLY JUST BASED ON TRYING TO FIND OUT, UM, FACTS AROUND THAT. THE HOUSE. UM, SO FINES CANNOT BE LEVIED BY, BY YOU GUYS, BY THE COMMISSION. AND FINES ARE, UH, ESSENTIALLY A COURT ADJUDICATED PUNISHMENT. AND COURTS ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO CAN ISSUE FINES WHEN THEY'RE SUCCESSFULLY PROSECUTED BY THE COMMUNITY PROSECUTION SECTION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. CITATIONS, ON THE OTHER HAND, ARE ISSUED BY CODE COMPLIANCE AND THEY'RE ON PAR WITH LIKE PARKING TICKETS. SO, UH, WHEREAS LIKE YOU MIGHT, UM, GET A PARKING TICKET FROM A POLICE OFFICER, IF YOU WERE TO GET, SAY A, UM, A DWI THAT WOULD BE GIVEN UP TO THE PROSECUTOR, THEY WOULD HAVE THE, UH, DISCRETION TO DETERMINE IF THEY WERE GONNA PROSECUTE THAT OR NOT. AND THEN ONCE IT WAS ADJUDICATED THAT THE COURT WOULD ISSUE THE PUNISHMENT, WHETHER THAT BE JAIL OR FINE. AND SO YOU, UH, THAT'S THE ANALOGY THAT I'M SORT OF DRAWING, UM, FOR YOU GUYS. SO FURTHER, UH, APPROVING OR DENYING A REQUEST CANNOT BE DONE WITH INTENT TO PUNISH THE APPLICANT. SO IN FULFILLING YOUR ROLE AS COMMISSIONERS, YOU SHOULD FOCUS ON APPLYING THE STANDARD FOR EACH CASE BEFORE YOU. UM, AS YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, NO CASE SETS LEGAL PRECEDENT, AND SO EACH TAKE CASE IS TAKEN ON ITS MERITS. UM, YOU AS EARLIER, UM, THAT YOU SEND THE BACK, MS. MCCLENDON, SHE, UM, DISCUSSED HOW FINES CAN BE ISSUED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT. AND IF THAT ARISES TO A CHRONIC OR EGREGIOUS PROBLEM, THEN IT CAN BE PROMOTED EVEN FURTHER TO INVOLVE COMMUNITY PROSECUTION WHO WILL PROSECUTE IT FOR A VIOLATION. AND SO THE RELEVANT STANDARD FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE, PROPER FOR YOU IS THE STANDARD, UM, FOR A DEMOLITIONS. I CAN GO OVER THAT STANDARD IF YOU GUYS LIKE GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. UH, SO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION MUST DENY AN APPLICATION TO DEMOLISH OR REMOVE A STRUCTURE THAT POSES AN IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY UNLESS IT FINDS THAT ONE, THE STRUCTURE CONSISTS, CONSTITUTES A DOCUMENTED MAJOR AND IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, THAT THE DEMOLITION OR REMOVAL IS REQUIRED TO ALLEVIATE THE THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. AND THEN THAT THERE IS NO REASONABLE WAY OTHER THAN DEMOLITION OR REMOVAL TO ELIMINATE THE THREAT IN A TIMELY MANNER. SO YOU MUST HAVE ALL THREE OF THESE ELEMENTS, AND IF YOU DON'T FIND ONE OF THOSE ELEMENTS, THEN YOU, UM, DON'T HAVE TO DENY AND THEY, THEY DON'T DO IT. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. AND I DO WANT TO CLARIFY EARLIER WHEN I ASK YOU ABOUT THIS, I DON'T THINK, I HOPE I DIDN'T ACTUALLY SAY SO. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO PUNISH THESE PEOPLE. I MAY HAVE BEEN THINKING IT, BUT I DID NOT SAY IT. I MAY HAVE BEEN READING INTO THAT. MY APOLOGIES. I, UH, WAS, I GET GET ACCUSED OF THAT AS AT HOME AS WELL. BUT I ALSO WANTED TO NOTE THAT THE, THE REMEDY FOR UNAUTHORIZED DEMOLITION IS TO REBUILD, UH, PER WHAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY. YES, WE HAVE, WE HAVE DEALT WITH THAT BEFORE. UM, I ASK IF THIS ROSE TO A LEVEL OF EGREGIOUSNESS WHERE IT REQUIRED ESPECIALLY A EGREGIOUS IGNORING OF WHAT THEY HAD BEEN APPROVED TO DO BY THE CA THAT WE WOULD SEE FURTHER LEGAL REDRESS. AND WHILE WE, NOTHING WE DO HERE EVER SETS A PRECEDENT IF WE LET ONE PERSON BUILD A THREE STORY HOUSE AND THEIR NEIGHBOR WANTS TO BUILD ONE, AND WE SAY IT MUST BE ONLY ONE STORY AND WE HAVE A GOOD REASON WE CAN DO THAT. BUT, UM, IN THIS CASE, WE WANTED, WE DID SOME OF US EXPRESS WE WOULDN'T WANT PEOPLE TO MAKE A HABIT OF THIS SORT OF BEHAVIOR. AND 10TH STREET IS ALREADY SORT OF UNSTABLE AND WE COULD SEE SOMEONE WATCHING THIS. I THINK SOMEONE MENTIONED A FOR-PROFIT DEVELOPER WHO SAW THIS COULD SAY $1,500 AND I COULD KNOCK THE THING DOWN. I COULD AFFORD $1,500. SO THAT IS PART OF WHERE OUR DISCUSSION WENT. UM, AND I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY'S HAS A LOT OF COMMENTS AND THAT'S GREAT. WE AREN'T AWARE THIS WAS A NONPROFIT. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU, SIR, IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN TO US THE MISSION OF YOUR NONPROFIT AND THE PLANS FOR WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THIS HOUSE ONCE IT'S DONE. WOULD YOU BE LEASING IT OR SELLING IT? AND WOULD THAT BE AT A LOW COST THAT ALLOWS LOWER INCOME PEOPLE TO LIVE THERE OR WHAT ARE YOU DOING? YEAH, SO WE FOCUS ON SOUTHERN DALLAS. WE REVITALIZE COMMERCIAL AND, UM, EXISTING COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES FOR SMALL BUSINESSES. AND ON THE AFFORDABLE INFIELD GROUND UP OR REMODEL, WE SELL ALL OUR HOMES AFFORDABLE. WE DON'T RENT ANYTHING. OKAY. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONERS, UM, [02:05:01] WHO, WHO HAD THEIR LIGHT ON FIRST BETWEEN, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? GO AHEAD. I WAS MOTION. GO AHEAD. YOU, YOU CAN TALK TO THE APPLICANT. WE ALSO MIGHT HAVE COMMISSIONERS OF QUESTIONS OF MATT. WELL, YEAH, THIS A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. SO IF WE DENY THIS APPLICATION, CAN WE SUBSEQUENTLY APPROVE THE NEXT APPLICATION FOR CONSTRUCTION, NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THE SITE? YES. THANK YOU. UM, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND PROPOSE AND MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. LET'S SEE IF THERE, IS THERE ANYONE HOME WHO WANTED TO ASK ANYTHING RIGHT NOW? AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE SAYING SO. ALL RIGHT. AND I THINK WE ALL, WE ALL CAN SEE THE CONDITION IT WAS IN BEFORE THIS OCCURRED TO MAKE OUR JUDGMENT OF WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS NURSE, UH, IN THE MATTER, UH, COA DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 0 52 ADDRESS, 11 0 2 CHURCH STREET. I RECOMMEND THAT WE DENY, UM, ON THE, UH, APPROVAL OF DEMOLISHING THIS BE. I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HASN'T SHOWN ANY BURDEN OF PROOF TO ESTABLISH ANY NECESSARY FACTS TO BE ABLE TO DEMOLISH THIS BUILDING. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? IS THAT WITHOUT PREJUDICE? HANG ON. I BELIEVE THAT COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS IS BEING ASKED TO READ IT. OKAY. THE OFFICIAL WAY WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY IT AND TO ADD UPON MY COMMENTS OF THE, OF THE DECISION, UM, TO ALSO FIND THAT THE STRUCTURE DOES NOT CON CONSTITUTE A MAJOR IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC SAFETY OR AS IT DID. AND, UH, THE, SO THERE WOULD BE NO REASON TO ALLEVIATE A THREAT TO THE PUBLIC'S HEALTH AND SAFETY BECAUSE THERE'S NO BURDEN OF PROOF FOUND BY THE APPLICANT, UH, THAT WOULD WARRANT THIS ACTION A SECOND. MY QUESTION IS STILL, WAS IT WITHOUT PREJUDICE? I WAS JUST GONNA STRAIGHT DENY. OKAY. UM, AND IS THERE A DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE ON OR REQUEST TO DEMOLISH SOMETHING FOR BEING DANGEROUS? I MEAN, WELL, MY QUESTION, THERE'S A POINT OF, WITHOUT PREJUDICE, YOU CAN COME BACK AND ASK AGAIN, BUT , I I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IT'S ALREADY DEMOLISHED. SO WHY ARE WE DENYING IT'S DEMOLISHED? UH, WELL, AS, AS THE, WE DID, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THIS ENOUGH. OUR STANDARD, WHEN WE WERE ASKED FOR PERMISSION TO DEMOLISH A STRUCTURE DUE TO IT POSING AN IMMINENT THREAT IS IF WE CAN'T, IF WE DON'T COME TO BELIEVE THAT IT WAS AN IMMINENT THREAT, WE MUST DENY IT. THAT IS WHAT IS STATED IN THERE. WE HAVE ALSO DISCUSSED THAT THIS DOES NOT IN FACT PREVENT US THEN APPROVING THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE HOUSE AND HAS ALREADY BEGUN. BUT OUR RULES SAY THAT IF YOU COME AND SAY YOU WANT TO DEMOLISH SOMETHING, BECAUSE IT MAY POSE A DANGER AND IT DOESN'T POSE A DANGER, WE MUST DENY THAT REQUEST. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ESTABLISH THAT AT THIS POINT. INCIDENT. IT'S BEEN DEMOLISHED. IT, IT IS DIFFICULT TO ESTE ESTABLISH THAT WHAT WE HAVE IS THE PICTURE OF IT WHEN IT STILL HAD ITS SKIN ON AND IT DID NOT APPEAR TO BE LEANING OR OTHERWISE. AND THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON THE APPLICANT TO MAKE, TO SHOW THAT. YEAH. WHICH IS NOT BEING SHOWN AND IT HAS NOT BEEN SHOWN. SO IT IS AT THE ADVICE OF OUR ATTORNEY THAT IT SEEMS TO BE STARTING WITH DENYING THIS DEMOLITION REQUEST IS THE BEST FIRST STEP AND THEN WE MOVE ON TO SEEING IF THEIR REQUEST TO RECONSTRUCT THAT WHICH HAS BEEN REMOVED IS A GOOD IDEA. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR CONCERNS, COMMISSIONER REEDS? MORE OR LESS? . MORE OR LESS. OKAY. WELL THAT'S THE BEST I CAN DO TODAY. , I MIGHT CLARIFY BASED ON HER QUESTION. I MEAN, YES. UM, THAT THERE IN OUR ORDINANCE WE DON'T, FOR D DEMOLITIONS, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE AN OPTION FOR D DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE. THAT'S ONLY FOR CAS. THIS IS JUST DENIAL OR OCCURRED ALL. SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? THE, THE SECOND COMMISSIONER RENO, UH, SECOND COMMISSIONER RENO. UH, DISTRICT NINE . THANK YOU . ALL, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES. THERE. YES. ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY NO. ALRIGHT. THIS MOTION HAS CARRIED AND THEREFORE THERE IS A DENIAL ON THIS REQUEST TO DEMOLISH, [02:10:01] BUT WE CAN MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER NINE, WHICH IS THE REQUEST TO, AND LET US EMPHASIZE, IT SAYS, RECONSTRUCT A MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING AND MANY OF OUR CONCERNS IN THAT AREA WERE ABOUT WILL THEY BE BEING ABLE TO GET EXACTLY THE SAME. SO THAT'S RECONSTRUCTION FURTHER THAN THE DEFINITION STEP. OKAY. YOU ARE READY FOR ME TO READ IT IN? I AM READY FOR YOU TO READ IT IN. I'M SHUTTING UP NOW. GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF. DISCUSSION ITEM D NINE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1102 CHURCH STREET IN THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 DASH 57. THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING EXISTING CONTRIBUTING BUILDING'S CONDITION IS FRAMING ONLY STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO, TO RECONSTRUCT A MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING EXISTING BUILDING'S CONDITION IS FRAMING ONLY BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 4 28 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE THAT EXISTING OPENINGS, WINDOWS AND DOORS NOT BE ENCLOSED ARE RESIZED. TWO, THAT THE REPLACEMENT ROOF MATCHED THE PREVIOUS ROOF IN COLOR DIMENSIONS PROFILE AND OR CONFIGURATION. THREE, THAT BRICK CHIMNEY STACK BE REPLACED ON ROOF WITH DIMENSIONS, MILD SIZE, COLOR, BRICK AND MORTAR AND PROFILE TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL FOUR, THAT TWO MISSING METAL SCROLL WORK, SCROLL WORK, FRONT PORCH COLUMNS BE REPLACED WITH COLUMNS TO MATCH THE REMAINING COLUMN AND MATERIAL DIMENSIONS AND DESIGN. AND PATTERN FIVE, THAT REPLACEMENT SIDING BE ALL WOOD, HORIZONTAL, LEFT SIDING MILLWORK, PATTERN NUMBER 1, 1, 7, AND SIX, THAT REPLACEMENT WINDOWS BE ALL WOOD FRAMED. NO CLADDING IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION B, C, D, AND F UNDER FACADES SECTION A UNDER FENESTRATION AND OPENINGS AND SECTION B UNDER PORCHES AND BALCONIES. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN AT ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION. NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTED WITH FOLLOWING COMMENTS. NUMBER ONE, REPLACE METAL SCROLLER CO COLUMNS ON PORCH. NUMBER TWO, REPLACE CHIMNEY STACK ON ROOF. NUMBER THREE, USE GOOGLE IMAGE FROM OCTOBER, 2012 AS PHOTO EVIDENCE. NUMBER FOUR, MAKE SURE A MATERIAL SCHEDULE MATCHES DRAWINGS. NUMBER FIVE, ROOFING SHINGLES SHOULD BE THREE TAB. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. AND UH, I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO HAVE YOU SWEAR IN AGAIN BECAUSE YOU WERE JUST HERE, . UM, MR. MCGEE, GO AHEAD AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR PLANS FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THIS HOUSE. UH, THEY'RE RECONSTRUCTED THE SAME HOUSE. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MORE TO SAY. I MEAN, SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE, I MEAN, UH, WOOD FRAME WINDOWS, I MEAN EVERYTHING EXACTLY THE SAME FORTH FROM THE EXTERIOR STANDPOINT. OKAY. SO THAT, THAT IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. THAT MATERIAL BE THE SAME. RECONSTRUCT DOES IMPLY THAT WHEN YOU'RE DONE, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TELL ANYTHING AND PERHAPS IT'S CORRECT, SORT OF OUR VIEW OF HOW IT TURNED OUT. COMMISSIONER PRES. SO HOW MUCH IS LEFT OF THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE REUSING AND, AND WHERE ON THE BUILDING? SO WE HAVE SOME OF THE EXISTING, UM, SIDING IN, IN THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE EXISTING FOUNDATION REMAINS THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE HOUSE AND THE BOTTOM WOOD, WOOD TRIM AT THE, FOR THE FRAMING SYSTEM AND THE TOP ONE THREE MAIN. SO, AND WE'RE GONNA LOOK FOR THE METAL PIECES AT THE FRONT. SO CURRENTLY, IF ONE, ONE OF THE METAL POSTS, DO YOU HAVE THE TWO OTHERS? ARE THEY STILL THERE? SOMEWHERE ON THE SIDE? WE HAVE ONE OF THEM. THE ONE TO THE FAR RIGHT. THE ONE IN THE, THE MIDDLE WAS NEVER THERE WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE. AND THE OTHER ONE WE GOTTA LOOK FOR. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER? YES, I, I HAVE A QUESTION. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM, THE FIRST ONE, THE, THE ROOF THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, THE, UM, I THINK IT WAS AN ARCHITECT PROFILE AND IT'S A, IT'S A 30 YEAR ROOF. CAN YOU GET A A THREE TAB [02:15:01] THAT'S A 30 THAT'LL LAST AS LONG AS THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL PROFILE THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RESEARCH A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT. YEAH, I DON'T THINK THEY LAST AS LONG AND I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF, OF A LONGER LASTING ROPE SHINGLE. I, I KNOW THAT TYPICALLY THESE, THE THREE TABS, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY TWO LAYERS OF ASPHALT AS OPPOSED TO, UM, THE OTHERS THAT, THAT ARE ACTUALLY MORE THAN THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT HAS TO DO WITH MAKING THE, THE HOME LAST LONGER AND, AND PARTICULARLY ITS ROPE. THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST COSTLY THINGS TO REPAIR OR TO REPLACE WHEN, YOU KNOW, AFTER THOSE 15 YEARS. UM, MY OTHER QUESTION HAS TO DO, I KNOW THE TASK FORCE, FOR INSTANCE, RECOMMENDED THAT THAT, UM, THAT THE SCROLL WORK COLUMNS COME BACK, BUT I WAS IMAGINING, I, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER HOMES DOWN THE, DOWN THE STREET, UM, BECAUSE I, I DON'T THINK IT'S, THOSE SCROLL COLUMNS WERE, UH, OF THE PERIOD WHEN THE HOUSE WAS BUILT, AND IT WAS MUCH MORE LIKELY THAT THEY WERE BOX COLUMNS, WOODEN BOX COLUMNS. UM, THE OTHER DETAIL I WAS THINKING WAS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE PHOTO, UH, AS WELL, THAT FROM 2012 THAT ALL THE RAFTER TAILS HAD BEEN COVERED UP WITH THE, WITH THE FASCIA BOARD. AND MOST LIKELY THOSE WERE OPEN HELD RAFTERS WITHOUT A, WITHOUT THAT FACIA BOARD. UM, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY PHOTOGRAPHS OF, OF OTHER NEIGHBORING HOMES THAT WERE THAT WAY. I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE DECISIONS ON CONJECTURE. BUT THIS PHOTOGRAPH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S FAIRLY RECENT, UM, IT'S NOT THE WAY THAT THE ORIGINAL HOME WOULD'VE BEEN. UM, I KNOW THOSE WERE BOTH STATEMENTS AND QUESTIONS. I APOLOGIZE FOR STRETCHING THAT OUT. BUT, UM, YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD BE LEANING IF I WERE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO GO WITH, UH, BOX COLUMNS AND OPEN ON THE RAFTER TAILS. SO AS FAR AS THE STREET, I MEAN, IT'S A MIXTURE OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSES AND IT'S 50% VACANT AS FAR AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AS FAR AS THE METAL COLUMN, THAT'S THE ONLY HOUSE WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT IT HAS IN 314 PARCELS OVER THERE. BUT YEAH, SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CULIN. UM, I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE ON THAT FRAME OF THOUGHT ON, UM, JUST SPEAKING ABOUT BEHALF OF THE SCROLL COLUMNS, UM, THE, UH, NATIONAL PARK SERVICE GUIDELINES ON RECONSTRUCTION AS A TREATMENT HELPS DEFINE PARTS OF THE ACT OF THIS PROCESS. SO, UH, NUMBER SIX FOR STANDARDS FOR RECONSTRUCTION IS THE DESIGNS THAT WERE NEVER EXECUTED HISTORICALLY WILL NOT BE CONSTRUCTED. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR. UM, AND, UH, THE CONCERNS THAT COMMISSIONER RENO STATED ARE MY CONCERNS AS WELL. AND I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER REEVES? I ALSO HAVE CONCERN ABOUT THE BOX COLUMNS VERSUS THE NON-AVAILABLE WR IRON WORK OR WHATEVER KIND OF METAL WORK THAT IS. SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING YOU WOULD PREFER BOX COLUMNS? THAT THERE WAS SOME, THEY THINK MAYBE THOSE, UM, METAL COLUMNS THAT ARE MISSING ARE SOMEPLACE THEY'RE LOOKING, LOOKING NOW. MAYBE SOMEONE'S SCAVENGED THEM OR SOMETHING. BUT ARE YOU ASKING THE GENTLE, THE GENTLEMAN THAT JUST SPOKE DID NOT SAY THAT. OH, A, A LONG TIME AGO STAFF SAID THEY THOUGHT THAT SOMEONE HAD HEARD THAT THEY HAD THEM. SO ARE YOU HE SAID, HE SAID, HE SAID THERE WASN'T A METAL COLUMN WHEN HE BOUGHT, PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. SO THE MIDDLE COLUMN. OKAY. THE COLUMN IS GONE. YEAH. BUT, SO I GUESS IT MIGHT COME BACK, BUT, UM, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU THINK THAT A BOX COLUMN IS BETTER? I THINK A BOX COLUMN WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. OKAY. I JUST, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR ROBERT. THAT'D BE A GOOD IDEA. YEAH. UM, THE, YOU WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED, UH, ON PUTTING WOOD BOX COLUMNS IN PLACE OF THOSE? NO, I MEAN, ON OUR ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, WE HAD BOX COLUMNS. WE WENT THROUGH FAST FORWARD. OKAY. WE CHANGED IT TO THAT AT THIRD REPORT. OKAY. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR. UH, QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, ARE WE LOOKING AT AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF THE FACADE ON THIS DRAWING HERE? THAT, UH, THAT COLUMN IS KIND OF IN LINE OF THE LEFT SIDE OF THE DOOR JAM AND THE, IT'S [02:20:01] NOT ARE, IS THIS, ARE WE COMFORTABLE, THIS WAS AN ACCURATE, UH, DRAWING AND I IS ALSO, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ACCURATE ON REESTABLISHING THE RECONSTRUCTION ON THIS, UH, AND WORKING WITH YOU GUYS. THAT'S A CONCERN THAT I HAVE THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA IMPLEMENT THE RIGHT DIMENSIONS ON ALL ASPECTS OF THIS TRYING TO, TRYING TO RECREATE THIS. BUT HOW, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE ACCURACY OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THAT FACADE? WELL, THE TWO WINDOWS, PAIRED WINDOWS IN THE FRONT, THEY'RE NOT THE SAME WIDTHS. IN OTHER WORDS, ON THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, THEY'RE WIDER ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE THAN THEY ARE ON THE RIGHT. SO I WOULD, I THOUGHT WE WERE WORKING TO GET THE WINDOW DIMENSION STRAIGHT. SO IS IT JUST INCORRECT, MR. YOU SAID THAT? NO. IN OTHER WORDS, THE WIDTHS ON THE ORIGINAL C ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THOSE ARE WIDER THAN THE WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. BUT ON YOUR DRAWING, THEY'RE LIKE THE SAME, THE, THE DRAWING MAKE DIRECT, I MEAN, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE, WE MEASURED, WE HAVE THE WINDOW DONE. YEAH, DON'T BE, WE HAVE THE WINDOW SURVEY THAT WE COMPLETED FOR THE WINDOWS DONE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND THE PLACEMENT OF THE COLUMNS, THAT DRAWING TO BE ACCURATE ON, I WOULD, UH, I WOULD MAKE SURE WE ARE LOOKING AT GHOSTING ON THERE, ON THE, UH, ON THE PORCH TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THE ACCURACY OF THE, WHERE THE COLUMNS PLACEMENTS ARE. OKAY. I MEAN, IS THE PORCH STILL THERE? I DON'T KNOW. IS THE PORCH STILL THERE? LITERALLY CONCRETE. IS IT A CONCRETE PORCH? GHOSTING PORCH? IT'S A CONCRETE PORCH. SO THE PORCH IS PROBABLY STILL THERE, RIGHT? YES. AND HE'S ASKING DO THEY HAVE MARK ON THE PORCH FLOOR FOR WHERE THE SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT'S ACCURATE? SIMILAR, SIMILAR TO A CASE I HAD IN WHEN I, THE PORCH FLOOR WAS NOT ORIGINAL, BUT I COULD SEE THE GHOSTING ABOVE ON THE BEAM. YEAH, ON THE BEAM. OKAY. HE'S SAYING HE'S NOT OKAY. THERE'S ANYTHING THERE. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? 'CAUSE IF NOT, IT'S MOTION TIME. I HAVE A MOTION. OH, SEE, I WAS GONNA STARE AT HIM. BUT YOU GO AHEAD, SIR. AND MAKE MOTION . UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER NINE, UH, 1102 CHURCH STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS COA DASH 25, UM, DASH 57, THAT, UM, WE APPROVE FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UM, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. I, I WANTED TO CHANGE A COUPLE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE HERE. UH, ONE THAT WE LEAVE CONDITION NUMBER ONE, THE EXISTING OPENINGS, WINDOWS AND DOORS NOT BEING ENCLOSED OR RESIZED. NUMBER TWO, I WANTED TO CHANGE TO, UH, ASPHALT ROOF AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. UM, NUMBER THREE, UH, REMAINS AS IS THAT BRICK CHIMNEY STACK BE REPLACED ON THE ROOF WITH DIMENSIONS, MODULE SIZE, UH, COLOR, BRICK AND MORTAR AND PROFILE TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL, UM, FLOOR. I WANTED TO CHANGE THAT, UM, INSTEAD OF THE METAL SCROLLER COLUMNS, THAT THEY'D BE BOX COLUMNS AND THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, LOOK FOR GHOSTING ON THE, ON THE PORCH. WELL, LET'S SEE. THAT'S, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN REPLACED, HASN'T IT? YEAH. BUT YOU GONE, UM, WHAT A ATED. I WOULD PLACE THE COLUMNS AT THE EDGE IN THE CENTER AND, AND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PORCH, IN THE CENTER OF THE PORCH. UM, UM, LET'S SEE, UH, FIVE THAT REPLACEMENT SIDING BE ALL WOOD. UM, HORIZONTAL LAPSE SIDING, MILLWORK PATTERN ONE 17, UH, NUMBER SIX, REPLACEMENT WINDOWS BE ALL WOOD FRAME, NO CLADDING. AND, AND, UH, WITH THE ADDITION OF, UM, CONDITION NUMBER SEVEN THAT THE, UH, SOFFITS HAVE OPEN RAFTER TAILS. SECOND THE MOTION. WHO WAS THE SECOND ON THAT? COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. OKAY, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR FOR A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I HAVE A QUESTION. GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER REEVES, I'M CONCERNED THAT THE CENTER COLUMN WILL BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FRONT DOOR. COULD THEY ADD AN, AN ADDITIONAL COLUMN IN, IN, IN CENTER THE FRONT DOOR BETWEEN THEM? WELL, THAT, WELL WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT USED TO BE. UM, YEAH, IT WAS ACTUALLY, SO WE REALLY DON'T, DO WE HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OF WHERE THE COLUMNS USED TO BE? WE DON'T. A COLUMN IN FRONT OF THE DOOR SEEMS SORT OF STRANGE, BUT LAST, LAST TIME IT WAS STANDING WITH A COLUMN. [02:25:01] IT WAS IN FRONT OF THE MIDDLE DOOR. COMMISSIONER HARPER, PLEASE TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE INSTEAD OF NODDING. SHAKING YOUR HEAD AT ME DOES NOT HELP US AT HOME. THE ELEVATION SHOWS THE COLUMNS NOT IN FRONT OF THE DOOR IF YOU OH, OKAY. IT'S JUST THE PHOTOGRAPH REALLY LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TAR. ALRIGHT, SO COMMISSIONER RES COMMISSIONER HARPER SAYS THAT IT IS NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FRONT DOOR. WE WERE DECEIVED. OKAY. THE, THE DRAWING, THE DRAWING IS NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FRONT DOOR, BUT THE PICTURE CERTAINLY IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FRONT DOOR. THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST SAYING. IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS, BUT THEY'RE TELLING ME THAT I'M NOT SEEING THAT, THAT IT IS IN FACT AT THE EDGE OF THE DOOR, IT'S EVEN STRANGER TO BE AT THE, OF THE DOOR. AT THE EDGE OF THE DOOR IS ALSO A LITTLE ODD, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE MIDDLE. SO YEAH, REMEMBER THIS IS 10TH STREET WHERE PEOPLE SOMETIMES MIGHT HAVE BUILT THEIR OWN HOUSES. SO SOMETIMES THINGS ARE NOT AS AN ARCHITECT WOULD'VE DESIGNED IT. IT'S HOW THE PERSON FELT LIKE BUILDING THEIR HOUSE. I KNOW. 10TH STREET. WELL, I CAN MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO MY, UH, TO, UM, LET'S SEE, CONDITION NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE CENTRAL BOX COLUMN BE PLACED. ITS RIGHT HAND SIDE BE PLACED ON THE LEFT HAND JAM OF THE FRONT DOOR. YES. OR NOT? I'M GONNA LEAVE IT AS IS. ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, THEN IT'S TIME TO CALL FOR VOTE ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY NO. UH, IT APPEARS THAT THIS HAS PASSED, SIR, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UM, VARIOUS REQUIREMENTS MADE FOR DOING THIS STAFF, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO HELP YOU. UH, YOUR NONPROFIT SOUNDS LIKE IT DOES SOME GOOD WORK. WE'RE SORRY THAT YOU GOT INTO THIS. YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST PERSON WHO HAS INHERITED A PROBLEM FROM A PREVIOUS OWNER OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND I ALWAYS FEEL SORRY FOR THEM, BUT NOW YOU'LL KNOW TO ASK NEXT TIME, I HOPE. PLEASE ASK IF YOU BUY ANOTHER HISTORICAL HOUSE, ASK IF THEY'VE HAD ANY ISSUES WITH US, IF THEY HAVE ANY LINGERING QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE, UH, NOT ANSWERED. IF THEY'VE DONE ANYTHING THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA INHERIT THAT EVER AGAIN. UM, BUT YOU KEEP, YOU KNOW NOW, NOW THAT YOU UNDERSTAND IT ALL, YOU CAN DO THIS ALL DAY LONG, RIGHT? YES. SO NOW YOU WANT A GARAGE. OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE GARAGE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF. DISCUSSION ITEM D 10. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1102 CHURCH STREET IN THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 DASH 58. THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION TO DEMOLISH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A DETACHED ONE CAR GARAGE USING THE STANDARD IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION TO DEMOLISH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A DETACHED ONE CAR GARAGE USING THE STANDARD ATE THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY, BE APPROVED WITH THE FINDING THAT THE WORK MEETS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION H FOUR C TASK FORCE HAD NO QUORUM NOR COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. UH, MR. MCGEE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, YEAH, AS YOU HEARD WITH THE HOUSE, OUR STANDARD OF JUDGMENT IS DO WE BELIEVE THAT IT IS POSING A THREAT? UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DESCRIBE THE CON TELL US ANYTHING INCLUDING DESCRIPTION OF THE CONDITION OF THE, THE GARAGE AND WHY IT SEEMS LIKE IT POSES A THREAT. OH, SURE. IT'S A DETACHED GARAGE AND LEVEL TWO, UH, CHURCH, IT WAS NEVER PERMITTED. IT WASN'T A PERMITTED STRUCTURE. ALSO, IT'S FOR THE SUBFLOOR WITH WITHIN THE STRUCTURE IT LEANS OFF AND WHEN YOU WALK INTO IT, IT LEANED AND ALSO FROM THE WATER, UM, COMING DOWN THE DRIVEWAY OVER THE YEARS, IF RODNEY AT THE BOTTOM, BUT I DON'T GO INSIDE OF IT. I HAVE NOBODY TO GO INSIDE OF IT EXCEPT DR. DUNTON, I BELIEVE SHE SAID SHE WENT INSIDE OF IT. ? YEAH, . ALRIGHT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS GARAGE? AND WE'VE HAD A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. I GUESS LET ME ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND COME UP, WRITE A REPORT ON IT AS WELL. YOU SAY YOU ALREADY DID THAT? YES. YEAH. YES, YES. YEAH, SO WE HAVE THAT. ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO MATCH AS MUCH AS YOU COULD. THE, UM, THE CARPORT TO THE, TO THE MAIN FACADE OF THE HOUSE. WE'RE NOT UP TO THAT PART YET. [02:30:01] , WE'RE ONLY AT KNOCK THE GARAGE DOWN OR NOT. , YOU'RE THINKING AHEAD AND THAT'S USUALLY A GOOD THING. , I I DO HAVE A QUESTION. UM, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME MEETING THE REQUIREMENT OF INTIMATE THREAT OF ITS HEALTH AND SAFETY, BUT IS THAT A REQUIRED MEANS TO DEMO AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE MAY NOT DEMO AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ANYWAY, LET US ASK STAFF. UM, SO IT, IT IS FOR ANY STRUCTURE, UM, NOT, NOT JUST A MAIN STRUCTURE. IT DOES INCLUDE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. UM, BUT I, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK STAFF FEELS THAT, UM, THEY ARE, THEY ARE MEETING THE, THE, THE CRITERIA FOR, UM, IMMINENT THREAT IN THAT THE, THE VERY BASIS, THE VERY FOUNDATION OF IT HAS NO REVA IN IT. AND, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY ANY WAY TO, TO FIX THAT WITHOUT PICKING UP THE WHOLE BUILDING AND THEN IT'S GONNA FALL APART. . YEAH, IT DOES APPEAR TO LEAN A BIT THOUGH. I DID PICK UP MY TWO STORY GARAGE WHEN WE BUILT THE CONCRETE UNDERNEATH, BUT IT'S MORE OF AN INVESTMENT FOR THIS . SO, UM, I, AGAIN, WITH THIS, BECAUSE THEY APPLIED UNDER THE IMMINENT THREAT, OUR ONLY OPTION IS TO DECIDE WHETHER IT'S AN IMMINENT THREAT. THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD'VE BEEN TO APPLY THAT TO DOCK, TO DOCK IT DOWN BECAUSE THEY WERE GONNA BUILD SOMETHING MORE IN KEEPING THEN THIS, THIS IS NOT, NOT IN KEEPING, IT'S NOT IN KEEPING , IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY THE STYLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S NOT, NOT THE STYLE. SO OUR ONLY QUESTION IS DO WE THINK THAT IT DOES REPRESENT A THREAT THAT CANNOT BE EASILY FIXED? AND EVEN IF I DID IT, I DON'T RECOMMEND ANYBODY ELSE HAVE SOMEONE PICK UP THEIR GARAGE AND POUR A NEW SLAB. 'CAUSE THE SAME THING HAPPENS AGAIN. EVEN IF YOU COULD GET FORESTED, YOU KNOW, IT MUST BE THE WAY IT HAPPENS. SO QUESTION FOR STAN. ASK THE EXACT QUESTION. UM, YOU PROBABLY ANSWERED THIS, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER , THE, WAS THERE, IS THERE A SANDBORNE ON THIS OR WAS IT TOO EARLY FOR THIS CONSTRUCTION? AND I WAS WONDERING IF THAT SHOWED THERE. IT'S TOO EARLY FOR THIS CONSTRUCTION. I CHECKED LAST SAM HO ON THIS WAS LIKE 1920S. YEAH, 1922. AND THIS IS LIKE A FORTIES OR 50. YEAH. WHAT IS THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE FOR, FOR THIS DISTRICT? I COULD BE WRONG. I'M THINKING UP TO 1945. YEAH. ALRIGHT, SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT HELP US UNDERSTAND IF THIS IS ACTUALLY A THREAT OR NOT? DOES ANYONE HAVE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A MOTION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GAY? I THOUGHT THE ENGINEERING LETTER WAS VERY HELPFUL, SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. AND ALSO, DR. DUNN, THANK YOU FOR VISITING IT. UM, SO IN THE DISCUSSION ITEM 10 11 0 2 CHURCH STREET CO A 2 5 0 0 0 0 5 8, I MOVE TO APPROVE ACCORDING TO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. SECOND. SECOND. I BELIEVE THE FIRST PERSON WHO SAID SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER HANNAH HOSA. SO SHE IS THE SECOND ON THIS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? RIGHT? THEN I CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? OKAY, THIS MOTION HAS CARRIED AND YOU HAVE PERMISSION TO DEMOLISH THIS DOCTOR. OKAY, IT'S ALMOST OVER. OKAY. DISCUSSION. YOU AH, I GOTCHA. OKAY, . ALL RIGHT, ONE MORE. THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF. DISCUSSION ITEM D 11. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1102 CHURCH STREET IN THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 DASH 59. THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A REAR YARD TO CAR CARPORT. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A REAR YARD TO CAR CARPORT BE APPROVED ACCORDING TO THE DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 4 28 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE, THAT THE ROOF SHINGLES MATCH THE SHINGLES OF THE MAIN BUILDING IN COLOR AND PROFILE. AND TWO, THAT THE GABLE SIDING BE ALL WOOD HORIZONTAL, LEFT SIDING MILLWORK PATTERN 1 1 7. IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE [02:35:01] CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA, SECTIONS A AND B UNDER ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH FOUR DASH 5 0 1 SUB SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT. AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE HAD NO QUORUM NOR COMMENTS. ALRIGHT, WELL THAT WAS NOT VERY HELPFUL AT THE TASK FORCE. THAT WASN'T ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER RENO, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS CARPORT NOW THAT WE'RE, UH, YES. SO, UM, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU TRIED TO MATCH THE GABLE ON THE FRONT OF THE, UH, FRONT OF THE HOME, BUT, UM, MY QUESTION IS BECAUSE OF THE PROPORTION OF THE, UM, OF THE GARAGE, IT'S ALMOST AS WIDE AS THE, AS THE HOUSE THAT IS AS THE HOUSE ITSELF. SO BY THE TIME YOU PUT THE GABLE ON THERE, IT'LL BE ABOUT THE, NOW I KNOW IT'S DOWNHILL, BUT THE SCALE IS, IS COMPARABLE TO THE HOUSE. UH, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO LOOK AT A DIFFERENT DESIGN THAT I'M ABOUT TO PROPOSE? SIMPLER, BY THE WAY. SO LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT WE DECIDED THAT, I MEAN, SO AS FAR AS THE WIDTH OF IT, IT'S THE WIDTH OF THE EXISTING CONCRETE, UH, FROM FROM ONE SIDE BASICALLY TO THE OTHER. IF YOU NARROW IT, YOU GOTTA DRILL BOTH OF THE CONCRETE FURTHER, SHORT. SO POSSIBLY YES, DEPENDING ON HOW WIDE YOU'RE GONNA SAY, NO, I, I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, I MAKE A SUGGESTION. OF COURSE, YOU MAY. OKAY. SO, UM, I, I'M TOTALLY HAPPY WITH THE, THE WIDTH OF THE, THE CARPORT ITSELF. ALL I'M SAYING IS TO, OR I'M SUGGESTING IS TO MAKE A SIMPLER ROOF, UM, THAT YOU MATCH THE SLOPE OF THE, OF THE GARAGE YOU'RE ABOUT TO DEMOLISH, BUT ROTATE THE GABLES SO THAT THE SHORT ENDS ARE ON THE SHORT END OF THE GARAGE. SO IT, IT RUNS PARALLEL WITH THE STREET. AND SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, AT THE FLAT PORTION OF, NOT FLAT, BUT THE, THE TILTED SIDE OF THE, UH, OF THE GABLE. AND IT BECOMES A LOT LESS, IN MY MIND, IT BECOMES MORE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE IT'S A SECONDARY BUILDING. IT'S, IT'S AN ACCESSORY NOT NOT TRYING TO RIVAL THE, THE MAIN HOME. UM, THAT'S A OH YES TO IS DID YOU SAY YES TO THAT? YES. YOU LIKE THAT IDEA? OKAY. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE, ? I HAVE A MOTION. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR DO YOU ? YES, I DO A MOTION. YOU HAVE A MOTION? OKAY. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAD ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE TO MOTION THERE? NOT GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER RENO. OKAY. UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 11 11 0 2 CHURCH STREET, UM, COA DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 5 9, THAT WE, UM, FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND ITS INITIAL TWO CONDITIONS WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION, UM, THAT THE, UM, NEW ROOF HAVE OPEN RAFTER TAILS AND, UH, CONDITION NUMBER FOUR THAT WE YOU MATCH THE SLOPE OF THE, UM, EXISTING, UH, TO BE DEMOLISHED, BUT THAT THE GABLE RUNS, UM, FROM SIDE TO SIDE OF THE PROPERTY RATHER THAN FRONT TO BACK. I SECOND THAT MOTION. I WAS THAT COMMISSIONER TAYLOR AGAIN? YES. YES. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR IS THE SECOND ON THAT. IS THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENT IN THAT CASE? I CALL FOR A VOTE ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THEN THAT HAS CARRIED. YOU ARE READY? NO. OH YEAH. BUILDINGS. DEMOLISHING BUILDING . OKAY. OH, LOOK AT THAT. D THREE. YES. OH, YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA HOME NOW? NO, YOU'RE NOT GOING HOME YET. ALMOST. OKAY. CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 3 56 0 2 RIGGER AVENUE, JUNIUS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, COA DASH 25 86. REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR SIDE PORCH RENOVATION. UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR SIDE PORCH RENOVATION BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE. WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT PORCHES ARE PROTECTED ON PROTECTED FACADES MAY NOT BE ENCLOSED. FURTHER PRESERVATION CRITERIA, THE PROPOSED WORK IS THEREFORE INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION SEVEN, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTINGS, NEIGHBORHOOD AND DISTRICT [02:40:04] TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR SIDE PORCH RENOVATION BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE PER SECTION 7.2 AND 7.3. COMMENTS DETAILED DRAWINGS OF COLUMNS NEEDED SUGGESTS MORE BOX-LIKE COLUMNS LIKE POSSIBLE ORIGINAL DESIGN. ALRIGHT. AND THERE IS NO ONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS? NO, I DID COMMUNICATE WITH THEM THROUGH EMAIL SO I HAVE A LITTLE BLUR TO READ. THEY HAD A MEETING AND THEY WERE ON FOR A MINUTE, BUT THEN THEY HAD TO GET OFF. I TOLD THEM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I CAN'T TELL THEM WHEN THEIR CASE WILL BE CALLED. THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW . YEAH. SO HERE, HERE WE GO. UH, THEY SAID ULTIMATELY THE REASON FOR THE SCREEN EDITION IS FOR ADDED PRIVACY FROM THE BUSY STREET NEXT TO OUR HOUSE, BEACON STREET. AND TO DETER OUR PORCH FROM BEING UTILIZED BY PEDESTRIANS THAT FIND ITS LACK OF ENCLOSURE AND OPPORTUNITY TO PERCH OR SIT EVEN IF IT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY. AT THE VERY LEAST, I WOULD LOVE TO BUILD A HANDRAIL FOR THE PORCH SO IT BECOMES ENCLOSED AND MAKES IT A BIT MORE PRIVATE TO US AS A HOMEOWNERS. ALRIGHT. UM, YOU DID NOT ASK THEM ABOUT THE IDEA OF JUST CHOPPING THE BUSHES DOWN OR, OKAY. NO, THERE ARE SOME TALL BUSHES THERE. YEAH. ALRIGHT. LET'S SAY THE COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS ALL THE INPUT WE HAVE FROM THE APPLICANT, MR. PREZI. SO QUESTION FOR STAFF. HOW WOULD THE STAFF FEEL OF JUST INSTALLING THE HANDRAIL AND NOT THIS ME A STAFF WOULD BE OKAY WITH IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT HIDING ANYTHING. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST GIVING A LITTLE BIT MORE ARCHITECTURE, BUT NOT, IF THE IDEA IS TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM JUST WALKING UP THERE, SEEMS LIKE THE HAND RAIL WOULD DO IT. MM-HMM . IT SEEMS LIKE THEY COULD COMPROMISE. I I'M AFRAID THAT THE SCREENING ISN'T LIKE SCREENING FROM THE 1930S THAT IT, IT, IT WOULD BE A SOLAR SCREEN THAT WOULD BASICALLY BE LIKE THE BLACKOUT SO YOU WOULDN'T SEE WHAT WAS BEHIND IT UNLESS, YEAH, THEY STIPULATED IT'S NOT, BUT THAT I, I BELIEVE THAT IS. MM-HMM. HOW WOULD THAT BE OUTTA CHARACTER ON A SIDE PORCH LIKE THAT TO HAVE A RAIL? I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE OUTTA CHARACTER. NO, SORRY. MORE THAN ANY OTHER PORTION. MM-HMM. FOR ALL WE KNOW IT COULD HAVE HAD ONE HERE. I CAN PULL IT UP SO WE CAN CUT. NORMALLY WOULD DEPEND ON HOW HIGH OFF THE GROUND. IT'S ALSO AN UNUSUAL PORTION THAT IT'S THE SIDE PORTION. IT'S LARGER THAN I THINK THE HOOK PORCH. I MEAN IT'S, IT'S SIDE PORCH. IT'S HUGE AND FACES THE STREET. YES. FOUR IN THE STREET. UM, ONE SECOND. LET ME JUST SO WE CAN KIND OF ALL, I THINK IT IS AN UNUSUAL SITUATION THOUGH, BECAUSE IT IS BIGGER THAN THE FRONT. UM, AND SEE THEIR CONCERN IS, THIS IS AN APARTMENT BUILDING RIGHT HERE. OH, YOU CAN'T SEE IT. . WE CAN'T SEE ANYTHING. SO WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE POINTING TO WHEN YOU SAY RIGHT HERE, , HERE WE GO SEE IF THIS OR IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THIS IS AN APARTMENT BUILDING DIRECTLY BEHIND THEM WHEN THEY HAD THEIR FENCE DONE. THIS IS WHAT I'M RECALLING. UM, THEY HAD OTHER APPLICATIONS AND THIS IS, I BELIEVE THE HIGH PEDESTRIAN SITUATION IS THAT IS AN APARTMENT BUILDING BUMPED, I MEAN THEY, THEY, THEY BASICALLY SHARE THE FENCE. SO I'M THINKING THOSE MIGHT BE PEOPLE THAT WALK BACK AND FORTH, I'M NOT SURE. BUT THIS, SEE HOW BIG THAT PORCH IS COMPARED TO THE FRONT PORCH IS A BIT THERE IS VERY TINY. IT'S JUST REALLY A, YOU MIGHT SUGGEST TO THEM THAT WHILE THEY THINK THAT THOSE BIG SHRUBS ARE YEAH, I GIVE THEM PRIVACY. IT ACTUALLY ALSO GIVES PRIVACY TO ANYBODY WHO MIGHT BE TRYING TO JIMMY THE WINDOW OPEN AND NOT GET CAUGHT. YES. ALSO GIVES PEOPLE A REASON TO WANT TO SLEEP BACK THERE BECAUSE THEY MIGHT GO UNNOTICED. AND THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT TASK FORCE AND I, TO BE QUITE HONEST, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE, UH, A COMPLIANCE ALSO. I THINK, UH, IT'S TOO HOT, BUT YOU KNOW, BASED ON ORDINANCE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE TO ADDRESS AS WELL. RIGHT. I'M PROBABLY THINKING THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THAT DOWN WHEN THEY REDO. I MEAN, WHEN THEY CLOSE UP THE ONE OF THE BUSHES IS DEAD TOO. SO . YEAH, . YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO, TO GET A NEW BUSH ADDED TO YOUR, UH, FENCE. LIKE YOUR HEDGE LIKE THAT. 'CAUSE THERE'LL NEVER BE AS WELL. OKAY. DOES ANYONE HAVE AN EMOTION? A EMOTION? NOT AN EMOTION. EMOTION? NO FEELINGS HERE PERHAPS. ALL RIGHT, I'LL, I'LL TRY THIS. ALL RIGHT, SO IN THE CASE OF, UH, LEMME SEE 56 0 2 RIGGER AVENUE HEIGHTS [02:45:01] HISTORIC DISTRICT CO A TWO FIVE DASH 0 0 0 0 8 6 MM-HMM . UM, THAT WE DENY THE REQUEST WITHOUT PREJUDICE FOR THE ENCLOSURE OF THE PORCH. WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THE PORCH IS THAT UNPROTECTIVE FACADE MAY NOT BE ENCLOSED AS PART OF THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA, UM, BUT THAT WE DO ALLOW THE INSTALLATION OF A HANDRAIL ON THE PORCH. CAN I ASK YOU TO REPHRASE THAT? OH, SURE. AS AN SAY THAT INSTEAD OF DENIAL, SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE YOU WERE GOING WITH IT. IT NEEDS TO BE AN APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE SCREEN NOT BE INCLUDED. THERE ARE NO CONDITIONS OUTTA DENIAL . GOT IT. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. WELL LET ME TAKE THAT BACK AND START OVER. THAT WAS JUST HIS, HIS ROUGH THINKING THROUGH AHEAD OF TIME. WELL, I'M GONNA PULL THIS UP SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE DRAWING. MAYBE THAT WILL HELP WITH WHAT IS ALLOWED. OKAY. SO I MOVED IT, THEN WE APPROVE THE REQUEST OR WE DON'T APPROVE THE SCREEN. SO MAYBE THE FULL RENOVATION WITHOUT THE SCREEN. WE APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE SCREEN IS NOT APPLIED. OKAY. BUT THE HANDRAILS , OKAY. SO WE APPROVE THE REQUEST WITHOUT THE SCREENING, BUT TO INCLUDE THE HANDRAIL AND THE COLUMNS. WE DON'T WANNA DO WITHOUT THE SCREEN AND DOOR. PROBABLY THEY ARE DOOR WITHOUT INSTALLING A BECAUSE THEY'RE CLOSING IT UP. HOW ABOUT THIS? WILL YOU APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH ONLY THE HANDRAILS? YEAH. WILL THAT WORK? I, I WOULD PREFER WE LIKE I ATTORNEY WHERE GO THERE. WE, WE APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR THE HANDRAIL, BUT WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE SCREENING AND DOOR NOT BE YOU WANTED TO DO HERE. ALRIGHT. I, WE'RE ALL ENJOYING APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR EXCEPTION AND DOOR. YES. ALL RIGHT. APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SCREEN AND DOOR. SECOND BURGER ENTHUSIASTICALLY. EXCEPT SECOND. THIS. ALRIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, AYE? YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. PLEASE INFORM THE APPLICANT OF THEIR APPROVAL OF A HEAD RAIL. OKAY, THE LAST THING I NEED. ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES THEY WISH MADE TO THE MINUTES? OKAY, IN THAT CASE, DOES ANYONE MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED? SO NOTED. NO. MOVED. OKAY. COMMISSIONER HENO. HOSA MOVED. SECOND IS, SECOND IS COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THAT HAS CARRIED. I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS AND THEREFORE AT 3 54 WE ARE ADJOURNED. I. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.