* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. WE GOOD [00:00:01] TO GO? [Special Called Community Police Oversight Board on June 6, 2025.] OKAY, EVERYONE. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE TODAY. I WOULD LIKE TO OFFICIALLY CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. UH, MY NAME IS JOHN MARK DAVIDSON. I HAVE THE HONOR OF SERVING AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD, AND WE HAVE CONFIRMED A QUORUM FOR THIS SPECIAL SESSION ON A FRIDAY EVENING. AND, UH, SO WE ARE READY TO PROCEED. THE OFFICIAL START TIME FOR THIS MEETING IS FIVE 30 5:30 PM AND, UH, WE'LL NOW BEGIN THIS MEETING WITH A ROLL CALL OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS. SO EACH OF US, WE'VE BEEN NOMINATED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR TO SERVE AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS. SO, UH, WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH DISTRICT AND AS I CALL EACH DISTRICT, PLEASE INDICATE YOUR PRESENCE HERE TONIGHT. DISTRICT ONE, DISTRICT TWO. JONATHAN MAPLES. DISTRICT TWO. PRESENT. DISTRICT THREE. DISTRICT FOUR. DISTRICT FOUR. DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH. PRESENT. DISTRICT FIVE. DISTRICT SIX. DISTRICT SIX. DEREK PEGRAM. PRESENT. DISTRICT SEVEN. DISTRICT SEVEN. TIM JACKSON. PRESENT. DISTRICT EIGHT. DISTRICT EIGHT. JUDGE. C VICTOR LANDER. PRESENT. DISTRICT NINE MAY BE ON MUTE. OH, SOME OF THE PEOPLE YOU'RE MISSING. OH, OKAY. UH, YOU CAN SEE. OKAY. AND SEE EVERYBODY. YEAH. IS THERE A WAY WE CAN HAVE THE AUDIO FROM ONLINE? I KNOW, UH, HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES HERE. ALLISON, CAN YOU, UH, SAY A FEW WORDS TO SEE IF WE CAN HEAR YOU? YEP. HOW ARE YOU GUYS DOING? OH, FANTASTIC. WE CAN, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. UH, SO, UH, WE'VE GONE THROUGH A ROLL CALL SO FAR. DISTRICT FIVE, BRIAN BOS. PRESENT. PRESENT. PERFECT. AND, UH, WE ARE NOW AT DISTRICT NINE, DISTRICT NINE. ALLISON CR ALLEN. PRESENT. DISTRICT 10. DISTRICT 10. JENNY KING. PRESENT. DISTRICT 11. OH, MS. STEINFELD, YOU MIGHT BE ON MUTE. I DUNNO IF YOU ON MUTE AND, OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. LOUD AND CLEAR. DISTRICT 11. ARLENE PRESENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. DISTRICT 12 D WADSWORTH PRESENT. DISTRICT 13. DISTRICT 14, DISTRICT 14. BRANDON FRIEDMAN, PRESENT. AND I'M DISTRICT 15. JOHN MARK DAVIDSON. ALSO PRESENT TODAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL BEING HERE. AND I WILL NOW BEGIN THIS MEETING, UH, WITH THE, UH, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS. OPEN MICROPHONE. DO WE HAVE ANYONE AT THIS TIME THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK BEFORE THE BOARD? IF YOU'RE HERE OR ONLINE? WOULD LOVE GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK? UH, UP TO MY DISCRETION. ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK? SEEING THERE'S NONE, UH, ONLINE NOR IN PERSON. WE'LL MOVE ON, UH, TO ITEM TWO ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING. UH, THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING IS TO VOTE ON A, UM, A DRAFT OF A LETTER TO SUBMIT TO THE POLICE CHIEF OF DALLAS, UH, CHIEF CUOMO. UH, DURING THE MAY 13TH, 2025 MEETING, THE BOARD DECIDED TO SEND A LETTER TO THE DALLAS POLICE CHIEF CUOMO REQUESTING HIS STANCE ON IMMIGRATION AND THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE DEPORTATIONS TAKING PLACE BY ICE. THE CHIEF'S RESPONSE LACKED ELEMENTS CRITICAL TO UNDERSTANDING HIS STANCE. SO A SECOND LETTER HAS BEEN PREPARED IN RESPONSE. AND THIS MEETING IS TO DISCUSS THE ELEMENTS OF THIS LETTER. SO HERE IN A LITTLE BIT, WE'LL MOVE, UH, TO THAT AGENDA ITEM, BUT WANNA GIVE THE BOARD MEMBERS, UH, THOSE WATCHING, UH, THE PLAN OF WHAT'S TO HAPPEN. UH, WHEN WE MOVE TO THIS AGENDA ITEM, WE WILL NEED A MOTION FROM ONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS TO DISCHARGE THE COMMITTEE. ORIGINALLY THE IDEA WAS, UH, TO, UH, TAKE THIS LETTER FIRST TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE. UH, BUT THEN, UH, AFTER THAT, PUT IT A, A SPECIAL SESSION. THE POLICY COMMITTEE, UH, HAS BEEN UNABLE TO MEET. THEY'RE ACTUALLY MEETING TOMORROW, WHICH DOESN'T GIVE US ADEQUATE TIME TO DISCUSS IT AS A BOARD. IF WE ARE TO SEND, UH, THE CHIEF A LETTER, [00:05:01] WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S SENT TO HIM, UH, EARLY NEXT WEEK TO GIVE HIM TIME BECAUSE, UH, IT IS TRUE THAT THE CHIEF HAS, UH, SAID HE WILL BE HERE AT OUR MEETING ON TUESDAY. WE HAVE OUR REGULAR MEETING ON TUESDAY, AND, UH, HERE AT CITY HALL, 5:30 PM AND HE PLANS TO ATTEND OUR MEETING. SO IF IT'S THE BOARD'S DECISION AT THIS TIME TO SEND A LETTER TO HIM, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEND THAT LETTER EARLY NEXT WEEK, MONDAY MORNING, TO GIVE HIM ADEQUATE TIME TO READ THE LETTER AND POTENTIALLY, POTENTIALLY ADDRESS THAT LETTER, UH, AT THE MEETING ON TUESDAY. SO, UH, WE'LL NEED A MOTION TO DISCHARGE THE POLICY COMMITTEE'S, UH, ROLE IN CRAFTING THIS LETTER, AND THEN WE'LL VOTE ON THAT. AND IF THE BOARD IS OKAY WITH AMENDING, UH, DISCHARGING THAT COMMITTEE, WE'LL NEED A SECOND MOTION, UH, TO, UH, EITHER APPROVE THE DRAFT LETTER, UM, AND THERE'S SOME EXAMPLES ON HERE IN THE PAPER OF A POTENTIAL MOTION. ONCE A MOTION IS MADE, WE WILL GIVE ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS A CHANCE TO SHARE THEIR OPINION. UH, WE'LL GIVE EACH BOARD MEMBER FIVE MINUTES TO SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS. AND I'LL HAVE A TIMER JUST SO WE CAN BE, UH, COGNIZANT OF TIME AND, UH, EVERYONE WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS ON IT. AND, UH, THEN AFTER EVERYONE'S HAD A CHANCE, IF ANYONE HAS ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, WE YOU'LL HAVE ONE MINUTE MORE, UH, AND ONLY ONE, UH, ONE MINUTE. AND OF COURSE, THERE'LL BE SOME DISCRETION IF NEEDED, BUT JUST TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF, UH, THE STAFF. WE'RE WORKING HERE ON A LEAD ON A FRIDAY TO GET OUTTA HERE, UH, AS, AS QUICK AS WE CAN. I HEARD, UH, THERE'S A PRIZE IF WE GET OUT HERE BEFORE AN HOUR. SO WE'LL SEE WHAT WE, WHAT WE CAN DO. UH, AND THEN, UH, WE WILL VOTE AS A BOARD, UH, ON WHETHER OR NOT TO SEND THIS LETTER TO, UH, POLICE CHIEF CUOMO. IF, UH, UH, IF A MAJORITY VOTE, UH, WE WILL SEND THE LETTER TO THE POLICE CHIEF. THERE WILL BE AFTER THE LETTER, A CHANCE FOR BOARD MEMBERS WHO CHOOSE TO INCLUDE THEIR NAMES ON THE LETTER. IF THE VOTE CHOOSE, IF THE BOARD CHOOSES TO SEND A LETTER AND YOU DID NOT VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT, THERE IS NO OBLIGATION FOR YOU TO PUT YOUR NAME ON THE LETTER. SO I JUST WANT THE, THE BOARD TO KNOW THAT, UH, WHETHER YOU CHOOSE TO PUT YOUR NAME ON THIS LETTER, IF IT'S VOTED TO SEND, IT, IS YOUR CHOICE. AND, UH, THERE IS NO OBLIGATION FOR YOU, UH, TO SEND IT AS A CHAIR. I HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SEND THE LETTER REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE BOARD DECIDES. BUT OUT OF RESPECT FOR THIS BOARD, IF THE BOARD TODAY CHOOSES TO NOT, IF THE MAJORITY IS HERE TODAY, SAYS NOT TO SEND THE LETTER, I'LL RESPECT THE BOARD, UH, DECISION ON THAT AND NOT SEND THE LETTER, UH, BY MYSELF. UH, 'CAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE BETTER AS A COLLECTIVE, UH, BETTER TOGETHER . UM, SO, UH, THOSE ARE SOME THINGS I WANTED TO, UH, TO SAY, UH, BEFORE WE MOVE TO THAT AGENDA, ITEM TWO, I WANNA SAY ONE MORE THING, THAT I'VE HAD SOME CALLS, UH, FROM SEVERAL BOARD MEMBERS EARLIER TODAY INDICATING THAT, UH, WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA VOTE YES OR VOTE NO, UH, ON SENDING THE LETTER, BUT 100% OF PEOPLE THAT I'VE TALKED TO, WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA VOTE YES OR NO CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS, UH, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE, UH, WHETHER IT'S NO OR YES, ARE PEOPLE SAYING, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE SITUATION, BUT IT'S MORE TO DO WITH TIMING OR SITUATION, UH, THE SITUATION. UH, AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT THAT KNOWN, UH, BECAUSE, UH, THIS IS AN, AN ISSUE THAT WE CARE ABOUT ALL OF US. AND THEN ALSO, I KNOW THE CITY OF DALLAS, THIS IS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC THAT WE WANNA, AS OUR BOARD, AS WE REPRESENT THE PEOPLE, WE WANT TO BE SPEAKING ABOUT IT. SO, UH, THAT IS THE PLAN, UH, TODAY, UH, WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING. SO IF POSSIBLE, COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO DISCHARGE THE COMMITTEE CHAIR? I'LL CHAIRMAN MAKE THAT MOTION. I MOVE THAT THE POLICY COMMITTEE BE DISCHARGED FOR THE FURTHER CONSIDERATION OF THE LETTER TO BE SENT TO CHIEF OMO RELATING TO DPDS ROLE IN ENFORCEMENT OF IMMIGRATION LAWS. MR. JACKSON HAS MADE A MOTION, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND. BY DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH. AND, UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, SAY, AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY. AYE. MOTION PASSES. MAY I HAVE A MOTION AT THIS TIME TO APPROVE THE DRAFT LETTER, JUDGE C VICTOR LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT? I'VE READ OVER THE LETTER WHILE IT'S NOT AS, AS, UM, COMPLETE AS I'D LIKE. I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE THAT WE SEND THIS LETTER. THERE'S BEEN A MOTION MADE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND THE MOTION. CHAGA HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE, CHAGA HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE IS PRESENT, AND HE ALSO HAS SECONDED THAT MOTION. SO AT THIS TIME, UH, WE ARE GOING TO, UH, HAVE SOME DISCUSSION, UH, FOR THE BOARD AT THIS TIME. AND, UH, THERE WILL ALSO BE, UH, AND ALSO IF POSSIBLE, UH, IF [00:10:01] YOU ARE A BOARD MEMBER AND YOU ARE ONLINE, IF IT'D BE POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO PUT THE CAMERA ON FOR US, UH, AS PER, UH, THE CITY, CITY RULES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. AND, UH, SO AT, AT THIS TIME, UH, LET'S, LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION. WE'RE GOING TO, UH, LIMIT COMMENTS TO FIVE MINUTES, UH, JUST OUT OF RESPECT FOR EVERYONE'S TIME TONIGHT. AND, UH, WE'LL GO, WE'LL START. OH, THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE WHOEVER DID THAT. THANK YOU ALL DEAR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, YOU MUST, YOU MUST BE READY TO GO HOME. YEAH. UH, SO, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL GO, UH, I THINK IT'D BE MAYBE, UH, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? WE'LL GO DISTRICT BY DISTRICT, STARTING WITH, WITH ONE, GO TO 15. THINK THAT'S GOOD OR NOT GOOD? JUST DO ONE BY ONE. I WOULD RATHER WAIT TO HEAR SOME OF THE COMMENTS, BUT RATHER FORCE THE POSITION TO COMMENT ON TURN. SO, BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW, YOU MAY HEAR SOMETHING THAT, UH, SWAYS YOU OR JUST, YOU KNOW, CHANGES YOUR MIND. SOUNDS GOOD. SO WE, UH, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL JUST, UH, WHOEVER WANTS TO, TO SPEAK, AND AGAIN, UH, EVERY DISTRICT WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES. AND PLEASE, UH, ONCE YOU HAVE HAD YOUR TIME, PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE ELSE. UH, IF YOU WANT ADDITIONAL TIME, PLEASE ASK ME AS THE CHAIR AND I, I WILL DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S WITHIN THE, THE PURVIEW OF THIS MEETING. AND, UH, WE'LL GO FROM THERE. SO, WHO WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN THIS COMMENT? AND THE FIVE MINUTES WILL BEGIN? YES. BOARD MEMBER BRANDON FRIEDMAN. MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14. UM, UH, I'LL TRY TO KEEP THIS UNDER FIVE MINUTES, OBVIOUSLY. UM, I, I, FIRST I JUST WANNA SAY I, AS YOU KNOW, I SENT YOU A, A DRAFT. UM, THIS IS FAR MORE DIPLOMATIC AND IT'S VERY GOOD . UM, MINE IS PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE, BUT I, I, I REALLY LIKE THIS LETTER. SO, UH, I DO INTEND TO VOTE FOR IT, UM, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER, UH, THE GROUP TAKES, UM, MY SUGGESTIONS ON OR NOT, UM, THE THING THAT, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADDED TO THE LETTER IS THAT IT DOESN'T INCLUDE OUR EXPECTATIONS FOR THE CHIEF. UM, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED. SO I, I THINK THE LETTER, UM, ADEQUATELY CONVEYS OUR CONCERN AND, UH, OUR DESIRE FOR MORE INFORMATION, BUT IT DOESN'T CONVEY WHAT OUR SPECIFIC EXPECTATIONS ARE OF THE CHIEF. AND I THINK THAT WE SORT OF OWE IT TO HIM TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. UM, I HAVE A STATEMENT AND I'M HAPPY TO EMAIL IT TO PEOPLE, UM, OR YOU, OR I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DISCUSS THAT, BUT I'LL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ IT OFF. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WOULD BE INTEGRATED INTO THE LETTER, BUT I WOULD LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU AND, AND THE DIRECTOR. UM, BUT I WOULD ADD SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, UM, REGARDING OUR EXPECTATIONS THAT ANY EVIDENCE THAT STATE OR FEDERAL AGENCIES ARE OPERATING IN DALLAS UNDER LEGALLY MURKY CONDITIONS SHOULD BE CAUSED FOR AN IMMEDIATE CESSATION OF COLLABORATION. WHILE SUCH CIRCUMSTANCES ARE EVALUATED AND INVESTIGATED, THIS MAY INCLUDE, BUT NOT BE LIMITED TO ATTEMPTS BY STATE AND FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TO USE ESCALATORY FORCE THAT RUNS CONTRARY TO THE DPD CODE OF CONDUCT, TO SEARCH OR SEIZE INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT JUDICIAL WARRANTS TO DETAIN OR ARREST INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT FIRST PROPERLY IDENTIFYING THEMSELVES, OR WHILE CONCEALING THEIR FACES. TO REQUIRE D TO REQUIRE DPD OFFICERS TO REMOVE THEIR NAME TAGS DURING JOINT OPERATIONS, TO DETAIN OR ARREST INDIVIDUALS FOR NON-CRIMINAL ACTS PROTECTED BY THE US CONSTITUTION TO FORCIBLY DEPORT DETAINEES IN VIOLATION OF COURT ORDERS, TO THREATEN OR INTIMIDATE LOCAL OFFICIALS IN THE PROCESS OF CARRYING OUT THEIR DUTIES. AND TO THREATEN OR INTIMIDATE ANY DALLAS RESIDENTS FOR EXERCISING THEIR LEGALLY PROTECTED RIGHTS. UM, I, I THINK THOSE ARE CRITERIA FOR WHICH, UM, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE JUSTIFIED IN, IN NOT COLLABORATING WITH ICE. IF ICE IS SUSPECTED OF DOING THOSE THINGS, THEN DALLAS, I DON'T THINK DPD SHOULD BE COLLABORATING WITH 'EM. AND I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR TO THE CHIEF. UM, NOW WHETHER FOLKS AGREE AND WANNA INCLUDE THAT IN THE LETTER OR NOT, OR WHETHER THAT'S APPROPRIATE, I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO THE GROUP. BUT I DID WANNA THROW THAT OUT THERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES. YOU, ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU MR. FREEMAN. YES. UH, DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU, UH, ENUMERATING ALL OF THE ISSUES. UM, MANY OF THOSE, I AM EQUALLY CONCERNED BECAUSE ICE HAS MADE ILLEGAL AND ENTRIES INTO PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHOUT WARRANTS ATTACKING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DEMONSTRATING SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, ENGAGING IN THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT, RIGHT? UH, SO THOSE THINGS ALL SHOULD BAR OUR POLICE FROM PARTICIPATING. AND WITHOUT PROOF THAT IT IS A LEGAL, [00:15:03] YOU KNOW, ISSUE, THEN WE SHOULDN'T PARTICIPATE AT ALL. AND I THINK THAT MANY HAVE NOT BEEN. SO, I, I'M, I'M, I WOULD LIKE SOMEHOW FOR US TO MAYBE SEND A ANOTHER LETTER ENUMERATING ALL OF THOSE THINGS. WHAT ABOUT INCLU? WHAT ABOUT INCLUDING IT IN THIS LETTER? ? YEAH. ONE THING, IT'D BE HELPFUL, BRANDON. UM, WHAT, IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU COULD LIST WHAT THE POINTS THAT YOU'D BE INCLUDING WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO INCLUDE THESE? THAT'S IT RIGHT THERE. ALL RIGHT. AND IS IT QUICK IF I PASS THIS AROUND? OH, YEAH. OKAY. WE'LL PASS THIS AROUND. DOES EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT IF, IF WE CHOOSE TO, UH, VOTE ON BOARD FOR BOARD FREEMAN'S AMENDMENTS, THIS IS WHAT, UH, HE'D BE HOPING TO INCLUDE IN THAT LETTER. THERE'S A DRAFT. CAN IT BE EMAILED OUT TO THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE REMOTE? I, YES. UM, WOULD IT BE BEST FOR ME TO EMAIL THAT TO CITY STAFF TO SEND TO THE GROUP? WHAT'S THAT? RIGHT? CAN, CAN I, WHO SHOULD I FORWARD IT TO? I CAN FORWARD IT TO YOU RIGHT NOW TO, YES. MM-HMM . THANK YOU SO MUCH, DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH. ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO, TO MENTION WITH YOUR TIME? NO, THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. UH, FOR THE RECORD, UH, FOR THE RECORD, ALSO, I'D LIKE TO MENTION THAT DAVID KITNER IS PRESENT AT THIS MEETING. AND JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, UH, THOSE THAT ARE MAKING THE MINUTES, COUNT HIM AS PRESENT. AND DISTRICT ONE, OZZIE SMITH, THE VICE CHAIR OF THE CPOV IS ALSO PRESENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH AFTER FOR YOUR COMMENTS. WHO, UH, IS NEXT? YES, D WADSWORTH. LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU. YOU RECOGNIZE AS SPEAKER, YOUR FIVE MINUTES WILL BEGIN WHEN YOU BEGIN. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN, I DO AGREE THAT WE NEED TO BE SPECIFIC ABOUT THE EXPECTATIONS, UM, WE HAVE FOR THE POLICE CHIEF AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, REGARDING, UM, BRANDON'S, UH, MEMBER FRIEDMAN'S, UM, RECOMMENDATION, WHICH I HAVEN'T RECEIVED THE EMAIL YET, BUT I'M SURE IT WILL. UH, I WOULD ASK THAT WE SAY THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE THE PHRASE LEGALLY MURKY CONCERNS, SO THAT, THAT'S NOT VERY GOOD, I DON'T THINK. BUT I THINK WE SHOULD ASK THE CHIEF TO CONFER WITH CITY ATTORNEY TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY INTERACTION IS FOLLOWING THE DEPARTMENTAL RULES, REGULATIONS, AND GUIDELINES. I WANT THE CITY ATTORNEY TO TELL THE CHIEF OF POLICE, WE JUST BRING IT UP. AND I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU READ IN THE PAPER THIS MORNING ABOUT OPERATION JUSTICE TRAIL? DID PEOPLE READ THAT? WHERE, UM, DPD FUGITIVE TASK FORCE, UH, ASSISTED THE US MARSHAL SERVICE IN 98 ARRESTS IN 30 DAYS, BEGINNING MAY 1ST, THEY DID 98 ARRESTS OF PEOPLE THAT HAD FELONY WARRANTS OR, UH, WARRANTS FOR SOME VIOLATION. SO THESE WERE ALL, UH, DEFINITELY CRIMINALS. AND, UM, THE ASSISTANT CHIEF THAT SPOKE WHEN THIS WAS ANNOUNCED, SAID THERE WERE THREE OF THEM HAD ICE HOLES. SO IT APPEARED FROM WHAT WAS IN THE NEWSPAPER THAT THIS WAS A LEGAL SITUATION THAT WOULD MEET THE CRITERIA OF, UM, THE MANDATE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEIR RULES AND REGULATIONS. BUT I WOULD LIKE A CLARIFICATION, THE CHIEF, TO HAVE A CLARIFICATION FROM THE CITY MANAGER, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT THE ORIGINAL INTERVIEW. THAT SOUNDED, UM, CONCERNING. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ANY QUESTIONS FOR D WADSWORTH? I, I GUESS, UH, THIS IS, UH, TIM JACKSON FOR, UH, DISTRICT SEVEN. I, I DID SEE THE REPORT THAT YOU MENTIONED AS IT RELATES TO THE 98 ARREST. AND I GUESS THAT MY, UM, OBSERVATION IN THAT WAS THAT THERE WAS NO NOT MUCH REPORTING ON THOSE BEING ARRESTED, BEING IMMIGRANTS. SO IT DIDN'T REALLY SEEM TO RAISE AN EYEBROW WITH ANYONE OR THIS BODY FOR THAT MATTER. I KNOW WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK ABOUT IT. SO AT WHAT POINT DO WE DRAW A PARALLEL THAT IT'S OKAY FOR DPD TO ISSUE WARRANTS FOR CRIMINALS THAT ARE CITIZENS , AND WE DON'T RAISE ANY CONCERN OR [00:20:01] ANY PAUSE, BUT IF THERE'S A CHIEF THAT'S SAYING HE'S JUST GONNA FOLLOW THE LAW BASED ON, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFYING CRIMINALS THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THEN THAT'S ALL THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE FOR PAUL. SO I, I GUESS I'LL SPEAK TO THAT MORE IN MY FIVE MINUTES, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, UH, THERE COULD BE A SET UP FOR A CONTRADICTION. AND I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH YOUR, UM, POSITION THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A CITY ATTORNEY CONVEY WHAT IT IS THAT WE NEED TO, UH, RELAY, BECAUSE WE DON'T, THE CHIEF DOESN'T OWE US AN EXPLANATION, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY OVER ANY DECISIONS THAT HE MAKES. BUT THAT'S JUST MY PROFESSIONAL OR OPINION, OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, MS WA IN RESPONSE, THE WAY, THE WAY THAT I READ THE ARTICLE IN THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS THAT ONLY, THERE WERE ONLY THREE OF THE 98 THAT HAD A HOLD FROM ICE. SO THOSE WOULD'VE BEEN, UM, PEOPLE THAT WERE PROBABLY IN THE PROCESS OF BEING DEPORTED BASED ON THEIR CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. IT DID SEEM THAT EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN THIS HELPING THE US MARSHALS, THEY WERE ALL, UM, CONVICTED PEOPLE THAT HAD GONE THROUGH THE LEGAL PROCESS. SO IT WASN'T JUST ROUNDING UP RANDOM PEOPLE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT. BUT I WOULD LIKE IT TO SAY, I WOULD LIKE OUR LETTER TO SAY, WE WANT THE CHIEF TO GET AN OPINION FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY OFFICE AND REPORT BACK TO US. WHAT DOES THAT OPINION SAY? I DON'T WANT US TO GO GET IT. I WANT HIM TO GO GET IT, AND THEN I WANT HIM TO TELL US WHAT HIS PARAMETERS ARE ACCORDING TO THE CITY ATTORNEY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU, MS. BOSWORTH. APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. I'M TAKING NOTES HERE. SO WE'LL DO A SUMMARY AT THE END OF ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, MENTIONED. UH, I SEE, UH, CHANGA HIGGINS, YOUR, UH, HAND IS RAISED. WOULD YOU, UH, LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT AT THIS TIME? UH, YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. OKAY. UM, SO, UH, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THE BOARD MEMBER FREEMAN AND ADDING THAT TO THE LETTER. AND I THINK EVEN WHERE HE SAYS, UH, I, I THINK IT WAS, UH, MARK LEGAL, UH, AREAS, UM, WELL, I, WELL, LET ME GET PAST THAT. 'CAUSE THAT WAS IN HIS LETTER, BUT, UM, ON THE AREA WHERE I THINK THERE'S A, A, SOME REALLY GOOD BREAK POINTS WHERE WE COULD PUT IN THE LETTER, THAT LIST THAT HE READ OUT, I AGREE WITH IT. UM, I THINK IT COULD BE ADDED VERY EASILY. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, ANOTHER THING I I WOULD ALSO SAY IS THAT, UH, TO MY, TO BOARD MEMBER JACKSON, YOU KNOW, LIKE I UNDERSTAND YOUR LOGIC AROUND HOW YOU'RE SAYING, THE CHIEF DOESN'T OWE US A RESPONSE, BUT ACTUALLY HE DOES. LIKE, IT'S OUR MANDATE THAT IF WE ASK FOR A RESPONSE, WE GET, UM, BECAUSE, UH, THERE'S CLEARLY SOME TREPIDATION WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AMONGST PEOPLE WHO COULD BE TARGETED BY ICE, UH, UH, ABOUT HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE HANDLED WITH THE CHIEF. AND I THINK IT'S OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ASKING THE QUESTIONS THAT NOBODY ELSE IS GOING TO ASK IN THIS CITY. THAT'S WHAT PART OF BEING OVERSIGHT IS ABOUT. UM, AND SO, UH, AND IT ALSO AROSE TO PUBLIC TRUST, AND THAT, AND, AND ON THE SIDE OF, OF, OF THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT ALSO WEAKENS THEIR ABILITY TO DO THEIR JOB TOO. IF YOU HAVE A, A POPULATION OF CITIZENS, AND BEING AN AFRICAN AMERICAN, WE KNOW THIS WELL, HAVING, UH, ACIDIC TENSIONS WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR FEAR OF CERTAIN TYPE OF ACTIONS DOES AFFECT HOW WELL THEY CAN OPERATE AND DO THEIR JOB IN THOSE COMMUNITIES. SO THIS IS DEFINITELY IN OUR PURVIEW. IT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE RAISING A QUESTION FOR AND DEMANDING THE ANSWER, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO. SO I WOULD HE DOES OWE US A RESPONSE IF WE ASK YOU. AND THAT'S MY COMMENT. UH, YES, THERE'S SOME TIME TO RESPOND. YES, GO AHEAD, MR. JACKSON. SO, UM, WE CAN RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE. I, I DON'T THINK THAT INFLAMING THE SITUATION BY EQUATING YOUR, YOUR COLOR AND MY COLOR AND BRINGING INTO IT AS A STANCE FOR YOUR POSITION. MY POSITION IS SIMPLE THAT, UH, IF WE'RE SETTING A PRECEDENCE TO SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T OWE US AN EXPLANATION FOR A PARTICULAR MATTER, BECAUSE THAT MATTER IS ABOVE HIS HEAD, AND THE POWERS THAT BE THAT HIRED SAID INDIVIDUAL KNEW HIS POSITION GOING IN, UM, THEN IT JUST BECOMES SEMANTICS. SO IF WE'RE CREATING A SITUATION WHERE WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT OUR BOARD NOT BEING TAKEN SERIOUSLY FROM THE PUBLIC EYE WHEN WE SPEAK TO PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC, BUT YET WE'RE CONTINUING TO BRING UP ISSUES THAT REALLY AREN'T GOING TO CREATE ANY CHANGE BECAUSE OUR OPINIONS AREN'T REALLY TAKEN SERIOUSLY, BECAUSE IT DOES COME ACROSS AS KNEE-JERK AND SEMANTICAL, THEN LIKE YOU SAID, WE DO NEED TO USE OUR VOICE AND USE OUR PLATFORMS, IF YOU [00:25:01] WILL, TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT MAY OCCUR IN THE FUTURE. AND IF WE'RE SERIOUSLY TRYING TO SET A PRECEDENT THAT WE HAVE A BOARD THAT'S GOING TO CREATE OVERSIGHT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, THERE HAS TO BE OPINIONS HEARD FROM EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD. AND SIMPLY GOING WITH THE FLOW BASED OFF OF KNEE-JERK REACTIONS OR POLITICAL EMOTIONS, IS NOT GOING TO CREATE A PRECEDENT OR CREATE A, A SITUATION WHERE WE CAN HAVE OPEN DIALOGUE WITH A NEW POLICE CHIEF AND, AND SET A STANDARD TO WHERE OUR VOICE AND OUR OPINIONS CAN BE HEARD LONG TERM. SO THAT'S JUST MY OPINION ON IT, AND I CAN, UH, GO INTO MORE DETAIL IN MY FIVE MINUTES, BUT I FELT THE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT SINCE YOU, YOU BROUGHT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU ADDRESSED ME DIRECTLY WITH IT. YEAH. WELL, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I GOT A MINUTE HERE, MINUTE AND A HALF. SO I JUST BROUGHT THAT UP. UM, BECAUSE FUNDAMENTALLY, WHO WE ARE AS A BOARD, THAT IS WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, IS ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WE THINK ARE IMPORTANT. I DON'T THINK IT'S KNEE JERK TO MENTION RACIAL ISSUES AND ISSUES BECAUSE OF EVEN HOW THIS BOARD WAS CREATED. UM, THE, THE ONLY REASON WHY WE HAVE THIS BOARD IS BECAUSE AFRICAN AMERICAN LEADERSHIP AND AND LATINO LEADERSHIP ACROSS THE CITY PUSHED FOR SOME ACCOUNTABILITY AND OVERSIGHT OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO, UH, I'M NOT DOING ANY SAYING ANYTHING ALARMIST. I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING THAT'S KNEE JERK OR ANYTHING THAT'S REACTIONARY OR TRYING TO PLAY ANY KIND OF RACE CARD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, SIR, I'M JUST STATING WHAT OUR JOB IS. AND I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD TAKE SOME TIME TO ACTUALLY REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT POLICE OVERSIGHT IS, 21ST CENTURY POLICING AND WHAT OUR MANDATE IS HERE AS BOARD MEMBER AND I, AND I'LL POSE WITH THAT. THANK YOU MR. HIGGINS. APPRECIATE THAT. WE'VE HEARD FROM DISTRICT THREE, DISTRICT FOUR, DISTRICT 12, AND DISTRICT 14, WHO WOULD, UH, LIKE TO, LIKE TO SPEAK. YES. UH, MS. ALLISON GRINER, ALLEN FLOOR IS YOURS, KEY CHAIR. UM, I'VE GOT THREE MAJOR CONCERNS, UM, WITH THIS LETTER. AND, UM, I, I AGREE WITH BOARD MEMBER FRIEDMAN THAT WE SHOULD GIVE SOME TANGIBLE EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT WE WANT TO SEE DONE. UH, MY THREE MAJOR CONCERNS ARE, FIRST AND FOREMOST, UM, I, I WANT DPD NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN ILLEGAL ACTIONS REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS LEADING THE WAY. AND IF DPD IS, IS COLLABORATING WITH A FEDERAL TASK FORCE, BE IT ICE, BE IT FBI, BE IT, WHOEVER, AND THEY SEE ILLEGAL ACTIONS, I WANT THEM TO STEP IN, REPORT IT, PREVENT IT, IF POSSIBLE, I WANT DPD TO ENFORCE THE LAW. JUST LIKE CHIEF CUOMO SAYS THAT HE IS GOING TO, EVEN AS IT RE EVEN AS IT RELATES TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, UM, WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF LAWLESS ACTION FROM, I, I GUESS ARGUABLY FEDERAL AUTHORITIES, BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE ARE PLAIN CLOTHES FOLKS IN, IN MASKS. AND IF DPD IS PARTICIPATING IN A, IN AN ACTION WITH OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS AND OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS BEGIN TO DO SOMETHING ILLEGAL, I WANT DPD TO STEP IN BECAUSE THAT'S WHO WE TRUST. UM, SECOND OF ALL, I DON'T WANT SURVEILLANCE OF PROTESTS. I DON'T WANT ANY PUBLIC SAFETY FOOTAGE, UM, TO BE, TO BE RUN THROUGH FACIAL RECOGNITION, UH, SOFTWARE. I DON'T WANT SURVEILLANCE OF PROTESTORS IN A WAY THAT, THAT, UM, THAT ICE'S SPEECH. AND I DON'T WANT ANY OF THAT DRONE FOOTAGE THAT, THAT THE SERGEANT TALKED TO US ABOUT LAST TIME FOR, FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL AND STUFF TO BE TURNED OVER TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO BE USED, UM, IN, IN NEFARIOUS WAYS. UM, AND THEN, AND THEN FINALLY, MY THIRD CONCERN IS I WANT THE CHIEF TO COME OVER, COME FORWARD WITH SOME TANGIBLE STEPS THAT CAN BE TAKEN THAT ARE WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE LAW. BECAUSE I, I UNDERSTAND THAT IF THE CHIEF SAID, HEY, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET DOWN WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE OUTTA CONTROL. WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING, THEN THAT WOULD PUT DALLAS ON THE TOP OF THE LIST OF ALL OF THESE, UM, SANCTUARY CITY REACTIONARY FOLKS, AND WE WOULD DRAW A LOT OF FIRE FROM THE GOVERNOR, FROM THE PRESIDENT. WE DON'T NEED THAT SMOKE. RIGHT? BUT THERE ARE WAYS TO ENFORCE THE LAW THAT ARE SENSITIVE TO PEOPLE'S NEEDS WHO HAVE, UM, PERHAPS IMMIGRATION STATUS ISSUES, FOR INSTANCE, IT IS NEVER RELEVANT WHEN INVESTIGATING STATE CRIMES TO ASK ANYBODY ABOUT THEIR IMMIGRATION STATUS. IT JUST ISN'T, THERE ARE NO STATE CRIMES THAT [00:30:01] HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH PEOPLE'S IMMIGRATION STATUS. SO MAKING IT A POLICY THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO ASK PEOPLE ABOUT THEIR IMMIGRATION STATUS WOULD SEND A MESSAGE TO THE, UM, TO PEOPLE OF DALLAS, THAT THEY CAN TRUST OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, THAT THEY CAN PICK UP THE PHONE AND DIAL NINE ONE ONE AND THEY WON'T BE HASSLED, AND THE PEOPLE IN THEIR HOUSE WON'T BE HASSLED ABOUT IMMIGRATION STUFF. I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT CHIEF CUOMO HAS SAID THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA GO OFF ON IMMIGRATION SIDE QUESTS AND GO LOOKING FOR PEOPLE, BUT THERE IS AN ISSUE OF JUST PUBLIC TRUST WHEN YOU TELL THE FOLKS IN DALLAS, HEY, WHILE WE'RE DOING NORMAL DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND DWI INVESTIGATIONS AND THAT SORT OF THING, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ASKING PEOPLE ABOUT THEIR IMMIGRATION STATUS. UH, ALSO, WE CAN MINIMIZE THE FINGERPRINTING THAT THAT BRINGS ICE INTO FLAGS. PEOPLE WITH ICE BY USING SITE AND RELEASE WHENEVER IT'S POSSIBLE. THERE ARE A FEW ISSUES, A FEW CRIMES AND INVESTIGATIONS WHERE SITE AND RELEASE IS POSSIBLE. PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO BE ARRESTED. AND THE WAY THAT ICE AND IMMIGRATION ARE NOTIFIED OF SOMEBODY IS WHEN THEY'RE BOOKED IN, THEY GET FINGERPRINTED. SO IF WE CAN MINIMIZE THAT KIND OF FINGERPRINTING AND USE ALTERNATIVES WHERE THEY'RE AVAILABLE, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP. UM, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WITNESSES AND, UM, COMPLAINANTS OR, OR FOLKS WANT TO MAKE POLICE REPORTS, BUT DON'T WANT TO GO INTO THE STATION OR, OR, YOU KNOW, DEAL WITH A POLICE OFFICER IN PERSON BECAUSE OF THAT FEAR, WE COULD ENCOURAGE THE USE OF RECORDED ZOOM HEARINGS, THAT SORT OF THING TO MAKE REPORTS AND, AND FLESH OUT INVESTIGATIONS, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS WHO ARE JUST SCARED TO GO INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND, AND SPEAK WITH AN INVESTIGATOR EVEN WHEN THEY'RE VICTIMS OF CRIME. AND WE COULD USE SOME OTHER WAYS TO SHOW THE COMMUNITY THAT DPD IS GONNA BE SENSITIVE TO THAT. AND, AND THAT DPDS FOCUS IS GONNA BE ON INVESTIGATING ACTUAL CRIME AND, AND DOING THEIR BEST TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE. THANK YOU, MS. GRINER ALLEN, FOR YOUR THOUGHTS. THANK YOU. WE'VE HEARD FROM DISTRICT THREE, DISTRICT FOUR, DISTRICT NINE, 12, AND 14, WHO, WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE NEXT? DISTRICT SIX? MR. GRAM, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. YES, AS I, AS I WAS READING THE LETTER, I STILL, THIS STANDS OUT THAT OUR GUIDING PRIORITIES IS SAFETY, WELLBEING, AND PEACE OF MIND, UH, FOR THE RESIDENTS OF DALLAS AND BETWEEN GRANTOR AND, UH, AND, UH, FREEMAN. THOSE NEED, I THINK EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE PULLING UP SHOULD BE PUT IN THAT LETTER IN, UM, DRAFTED ACCORDINGLY, BECAUSE THAT'S FROM WHEN I JOINED. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS ABOUT. MAKING SURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE UNDER, UH, ARE NOT FEARFUL. I, I COULDN'T IMAGINE MOVING IN FEAR. I DON'T KNOW THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT FEELING IS, BUT I COULD IMAGINE IF, IF YOU THINK THAT SOMEONE, YOU CAN'T DO SOMETHING BECAUSE OF FEAR THAT THAT SHUT DOWN YOUR WHOLE SYSTEM. SO, YEAH. WELL, IT SHOULD BE DRAFTED ACCORDINGLY AND ADDED ACCORDINGLY. THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. PETER. APPRECIATE THAT. WE'VE HEARD FROM DISTRICT 3, 4, 6, 9, 12, AND 14, DISTRICT SEVEN, DISTRICT EIGHT. I'VE READ OVER THE LETTER CAREFULLY. I'VE ALSO READ OVER THE, UM, PRO PROPOSED ADDITIONS TO THE LETTER. AND I MUST AGREE, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO MAKE SURE THE DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS FOLLOW THE LAW. NOT SOME INDIVIDUAL COURT, UH, FEDERAL AGENCY'S INTERPRETATION, BUT THE LAW AND ONE FOR ONE LAW, FOR EXAMPLE. UM, THEY SHOULD NOT BE ARRESTING OR ENTERING SOMEONE'S HOME OR BUSINESS WITHOUT A JUDICIAL WARRANT FOR ARREST THEY HAVE BEEN DOING WITH AN ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT, WHATEVER THAT MEANS. I'VE NEVER REALLY HEARD OF THAT BEFORE, BUT, UH, THEY, THEY, HMM, THEY MADE IT UP. YEAH, THANK YOU. UM, BUT THEY NEED TO HAVE JUDICIAL WARRANTS. THEY ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, UH, NOT HAVE MASKS ON HOUSING AN INDIVIDUAL, PARTICULARLY IN A STATE LIKE TEXAS, WHERE YOU HAVE AN OPEN CARRY, SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT THIS IS REALLY AN OFFICER OR A, UM, UH, FEDERAL OFFICIAL IF HE'S MASKED AND UN UNIDENTIFIED. SO, ABSOLUTELY, UH, POLICE OFFICERS NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T [00:35:01] PARTICIPATE UNLESS THEY HAVE, UH, FULL JUDICIAL AUTHORITY TO DO SO. SO, I, I AGREE WITH, UM, MR. FRIEDEN'S, UM, UM, POINTS AS WELL AS, UH, MS. GRANTER ALLEN, UH, AND , MS. WADSWORTH. SO I THINK I'M JUST AGREEING WITH EVERYBODY AT THIS JUNCTURE. UH, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO MODIFY THE, UH, LETTER TO TELL US TO TELL THE CHIEF WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE. YOU NEVER WANT TO JUST SEND A LETTER, SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE SEE, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT, AND WE WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT. SO I WOULD AGREE. THANK YOU SO MUCH, JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT. OH, AS, AND EVEN, AND I HEARD YOU SAY AS THIS IS WHAT WE WANT, BUT IT'S ALSO NOT SO MUCH ABOUT WANTS, IT'S WHAT WE NEED TO HAPPEN SO THAT THIS GOES, BECAUSE FOR US TO BE THE BOARD THAT WE SAY THAT WE ARE, THESE AREN'T JUST WANTS, THESE ARE NEEDS. THIS, THIS, THOSE NEEDS ARE WHAT'S GONNA MAKE IT RUN SMOOTHER. WE CAN BE EVEN CLEARER THAN THAT. MORE PALABLE. THIS IS WHAT WE INSIST UPON. YES. THAT'S EVEN BETTER. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS DAVID NER FROM DISTRICT 13. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. MR. KIDNER. UM, I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE JUST A FEW GENERAL COMMENTS BEFORE TALKING ABOUT THE LETTER. NUMBER ONE, UH, I HAD NEVER BEEN A FAN OF LETTERS THAT ARE WRITTEN BY COMMITTEE. UH, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. WE'RE ADDING THINGS HERE AND THERE, AND, AND I, I JUST THINK IT'S NOT GONNA COME OUT CORRECTLY. I, I THINK, UH, IF A LETTER IS TO BE WRITTEN, IT NEEDS TO BE WITH MORE THOUGHT THAN, UM, FIVE SECONDS OF HERE IT IS, AND NOT GETTING A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT. MY SECOND THOUGHT IS, AND I WANNA SAY THIS, UM, I'M, UH, I'M A LAWYER. I'M IN FAVOR OF THE RULE OF LAW HAVE ALWAYS BEEN. AND THAT INCLUDES, UH, ENFORCING THE LAW, BUT WITH DUE PROCESS. AND, UH, WE'VE ALL HEARD INSTANCES WHERE THAT'S NOT BEING FOLLOWED. I GUESS THE PRIMARY EXAMPLE IS SENDING ALL THOSE FOLKS TO EL SALVADOR. UM, AND I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT AGAINST THOSE KIND OF TACTICS, ANYTHING THAT DEPRIVES ANYBODY OF THEIR DUE PROCESS RIGHTS. UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR. I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS LETTER BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION. I THINK WE'RE ANTICIPATING THINGS, AND I JUST HAVE NO IDEA AT THIS POINT WHERE THE POLICE CHIEF IS OR WHAT HE INTENDS TO DO. I THINK WE NEED TO GET MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WRITING A LETTER, UM, BECAUSE I THINK THIS LETTER IS, IS GROUNDED IN A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN. THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING ELSEWHERE, THINGS THAT MAY NOT BE HAPPENING HERE MAY NEVER HAPPEN HERE. UM, SO I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO, UM, FIND OUT MORE, UH, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS, UH, TO SUBMIT THEM TO THE CHIEF. HOPEFULLY HE WILL ANSWER THEM. UH, IF HE DOESN'T, THEN WE'LL, WE'LL GET, WE SHOULD TRY AND GET THE INFORMATION WE NEED, AND THEN BASED ON THAT DRAFT A LETTER. UM, BUT I THINK IT'S PREMATURE AT THIS POINT FOR US TO BE DOING IT. THANK YOU, MR. KITNER. YES, MS. KING. I WOULD CONCUR WITH, UM, MR. KITNER THAT IT'S PREMATURE ON THE LETTER. I WORRY AS, UM, ALLISON SAID, UM, MS. GRUNER SAID THAT WE COULD BE PUTTING A TARGET ON THE CITY'S BACK BY PUTTING ALL THIS OUT THERE. UM, AND I, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVEN'T EVEN CHATTED WITH THE CHIEF YET. SO LET'S TALK TO THE CHIEF ON TUESDAY AT OUR MEETING. LET'S SUBMIT OUR QUESTIONS, INCLUDING YOUR CONCERNS, BRANDON. THOSE ARE REALLY GOOD CONCERNS. BUT, UM, LET'S ASK HIM HOW HE HANDLES THAT. AND I LIKE THE IDEA, I MEAN, MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW. UM, THEY NEED TO FOLLOW THEIR OWN RULES AND POLICIES, AND WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW. SO LET'S FIND OUT HOW THEY APPROACH THIS. I THINK THE CULTURE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS, UM, TO NOT GO OUT AND JUST GRAB PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS. I THINK THAT IS NOT WHAT WE HAVE, AND WE ARE VERY LUCKY FOR THAT. SO I WOULD AGREE THAT WE HAVE, UM, MAYBE WE'RE STEPPING A LITTLE TOO QUICKLY WITH THE LETTER AND WE COULD HOLD ON IT. YES. CHAIRMAN, CAN I RESPOND TO THAT? YES. MR. REED, DO YOU HAVE TIME? YEAH. UH, I JUST WANNA RESPOND. I VERY QUICKLY, UM, MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT IS THAT WE DID SEND THIS, WE DID SEND A QUESTION TO THE CHIEF, UH, SEVERAL WEEKS AGO ASKING FOR INPUT ON HIS APPROACH TO THIS. AND HE SENT A VERY TERSE, ROUGHLY SIX TO 10 WORD RESPONSE. THAT WAS HIS OPPORTUNITY, AND HE CHOSE TO USE IT TO GIVE US A VERY SHORT TERRORIST RESPONSE. SO I THINK AT THAT POINT, THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH US SENDING A LETTER TO HIM, UM, [00:40:01] ASKING FOR ELABORATION ON HIS PREVIOUS RESPONSE. SO IN THAT SENSE, I DON'T THINK IT'S PREMATURE. UM, I, I DO THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME TO DO IT. NOW, UH, AS FAR AS MR. KITNER'S CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, WRITING A LETTER BY COMMITTEE, UH, THAT, THAT'S A VALID POINT. UM, BUT, UH, I, I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANK YOU. AND I DON'T, I DON'T, I NEVER, IT'S STILL MS. KING'S TIME. YEAH. AND IS THIS MY THREE MINUTES? YES. OKAY. UM, I DIDN'T SEE THE, THE RESPONSE OR THE INITIAL LETTER THAT WE SENT, OR SOMEHOW I MISSED THAT. SO SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, AND HE SHOULDN'T HAVE SENT SUCH A, UM, TURFS RESPONSE. SO I'M NOT SURPRISED THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, TURNED AROUND WITH THIS. LET'S USE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, LOOK, WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE, UM, AS THE NEW CHIEF, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE DIALOGUE WITH YOU STARTING ON TUESDAY AT OUR MEETING INSTEAD OF, UM, DEMANDING, UH, WE'RE, THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM YET. SO LET'S, LET'S CREATE DIALOGUE AND, AND, AND THEN WE CAN SEND MORE SPECIFICS WHEN WE SEE POLICY MAYBE NOT BEING FOLLOWED, OR THE LAW BEING, THE FEDERAL LAW BEING MURKY, OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. IT'S HARD TO PREDICT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. KING. WE'VE HEARD FROM DISTRICT 3, 4, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14. ANYONE ELSE YOU WANNA WEIGH IN FROM? DISTRICT 11? DISTRICT ONE? DISTRICT. DISTRICT? OH, DISTRICT 11 HAS NOT BEEN I APOL YEAH. DISTRICT 11. MS. MS. STEINFELD, ARE YOU, UH, ARE YOU ONLINE? I'M HERE. YES, I AM. OH, OKAY. I'D LOVE TO HEAR, UH, HEAR YOU. I CAN'T, WE CAN'T SEE YOUR VIDEO. UH, OH, MAYBE WE, OH, THERE YOU ARE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. THE, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD LETTER. I'M, I'M ALL FOR IT, AND I THINK WE SHOULD SEND IT OUT. AND I ALSO BELIEVE THAT BASED ON HIS INITIAL RESPONSE TO US, UM, THAT WAS APPARENTLY OVERLY CONCISE, IT, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO RESPOND. UM, I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE IF I AM REPEATING WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID, UH, BEFORE ME. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE BEEN, UM, SHALL WE SAY, UPSET ABOUT FOR SEVERAL YEARS, IS THAT, UM, THE COMMITMENT TO THE RULE OF LAW SEEMS TO BE VANISHING BEFORE OUR EYES. AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO WITHOUT MAKING A BIG POLITICAL STATEMENT, IS TO ADD SOMETHING, UM, TO THE LETTER. AND DAVID, I'M SORRY THAT THIS WILL BE BY COMMITTEE, IF YOU WILL, UM, BUT THAT WE PUT THE ONUS ON HIM THAT HE RIGHTFULLY HAS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT ABSOLUTE COMMITMENT, AND IT SHOULD BE MANIFEST IN THE WAY WE APPROACH, UM, IMMIGRATION ISSUES. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF IT. I'D LIKE TO SEE IT DONE SOONER THAN LATER, BUT I WOULD LIKE A REFERENCE TO THE RULE OF LAW, BECAUSE IT, IN, IN MY MIND, IT PUTS A BURDEN ON HIM TO DEMONSTRATE THAT HIS FIRST COMMITMENT IS TO THE CITY OF DALLAS. ARLENE, CAN I JUST, CAN I JUST JUMP IN? I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. HIS AND I, AND I AGREE, HIS RESPONSE WAS VERY FIRST. UM, IT WAS LESS THAN TWO LINES, AS I RECALL SEEING IT, AND IT BASICALLY SAID, I'M GONNA FOLLOW THE LAW. SO PRETTY HARD TO QUARREL WITH THAT AS A GENERAL STATEMENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. AND THAT'S A REASON I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS BEFORE MOVING FORWARD. UM, IT MAY BE, UH, ONCE WE GET THE INFORMATION, EVERYTHING IN THE PROPOSED LETTER AND MORE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO ME UNTIL WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION, I, I'M JUST NOT AFRAID OF THE LETTER. OKAY. AND, UH, I THINK WE'LL AGREE TO DISAGREE ON THIS. UM, AND SO, BUT BECAUSE THE, THE LETTER DOES REQUEST SPECIFICS, AND IF YOU ADD, UH, BOARD MEMBER FRIEDMAN'S, UH, EXTRA LANGUAGE, THAT WOULD GO FURTHER TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO FIND OUT. UM, BUT I, YOU KNOW, HE HAD A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND WITH SPECIFICS, AND HE OBVIOUSLY ELECTED NOT TO DO SO. SO I WOULD VOTE IN FAVOR OF SENDING THE LETTER NOW, BECAUSE IT IS VERY CLEAR, AND IF WE WANT SPECIFIC INFORMATION. THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. STEINFELD. APPRECIATE THAT. I SEE OUR VICE CHAIR, OIE SMITH HAND IS UP. THE, ARE YOU ABLE TO, UH, HEAR US BOARD MEMBER SMITH? YES, I CAN HEAR YOU. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? WE CAN HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. YEP. THE FLOOR IS YOURS IF YOU CHOOSE TO SPEAK. UH, THANK YOU. UH, KIND APPRECIATE HEARING A LOT OF THE CONTEXT, [00:45:02] UH, FROM THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS. UM, I GUESS I'LL KIND OF FLIP IT AND START WITH THE CONCLUSION. FIRST, I, I, I WILL VOTE NO FOR SENDING THIS LETTER AT THIS TIME. UM, AND I GUESS SHARING MY REASONS WHY. UM, I AM IN FAVOR OF US GETTING MORE DETAILS FROM THE CHIEF ON HIS IMMIGRATION, UH, STANCE, POLICIES, PRACTICES, UM, ALONG WITH SEVERAL OTHER TOPICS, I THINK, UM, SO MY ISSUE IS REALLY KIND OF AROUND, YOU KNOW, TIMING AND SEQUENCING. UM, AGAIN, I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS. WE NEED TO ADD SOME THINGS TO THE LETTER. I AGREE THAT TRYING TO WRITE A LETTER BY COMMITTEE IS CHALLENGING. UM, HOWEVER, I ALSO LOOK AT IF WE COMPLETE THIS LE, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF FOLLOWING THE LOGIC PROCESS, IF WE COMPLETE THIS LETTER TODAY AND WE SEND IT TO THE CHIEF TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, IF WE GOT IT ALL WRAPPED UP WITH A BOW, WE WILL ACTUALLY BE MEETING WITH THE CHIEF NEXT WEEK. UM, WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO SEND QUESTIONS TO THE CHIEF, UH, TO ANSWER IN PERSON NEXT WEEK. HIS TEAM WILL TAKE THIS LETTER AND THEY WILL HAVE TO RESPOND. SO WE WILL NOT GET A RESPONSE TO THE EXACT LETTER, PER SE, IN WRITING FOR PROBABLY A WEEK OR TWO. SO WE'RE GONNA MEET WITH HIM AND ASK HIM SEVERAL OF THESE QUESTIONS PRIOR TO GETTING A DRAFT LETTER BACK FROM THE CHIEF. WITH THAT IN MIND, I'M OPEN TO SOME OF THE OTHER SUGGESTIONS THAT WERE MADE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE MORE OF A CONVERSATION. THIS IS OUR FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE NEW CHIEF. AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON THAT WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, AND WE NEED TO RAISE THOSE TO HIM. AND I THINK HAVING A DIALOGUE WITH THE CHIEF IN PERSON GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHAT THIS LETTER CAN'T, AND THAT'S HAVE FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS. UM, SO WHEN THE CHIEF ANSWERS ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS ABOUT IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT, UM, BY THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FOLLOW UP TO GET MORE CLARITY. WE DON'T HAVE THAT WITH A LETTER THAT WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT FOR ANOTHER BOARD MEETING TO FOLLOW UP WITH MORE QUESTIONS. SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I FIRST WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH THE CHIEF ON AGAIN, HE COULD CANCEL OR SOMETHING ELSE COULD COME UP. UM, AND HE WOULD MISS OUR MEETING. AND I KNOW WE ONLY MEET MONTHLY, SO THAT'S ALWAYS A RISK, BUT I WOULD PREFER TO MEET WITH HIM, ASK HIM IN PERSON THESE QUESTIONS, ALLOW OUR BOARD TO HAVE FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS TO GAIN MORE CLARITY. AND THEN AFTER THAT, IF WE FEEL THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET ALL THE DETAILS THAT WE WANT OR OTHER MATTERS CAME UP, THEN I THINK A LETTER WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. UM, AND I THINK, AGAIN, WE SHOULD ADD, YOU KNOW, ALL OF OUR SUGGESTIONS TO THIS LETTER THAT WE'VE KIND OF DISCUSSED HERE. I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE AN OPEN REQUEST FOR QUESTIONS AND TOPICS TO SUBMIT, UM, TO THE CHIEF TO ANSWER OR TO BE PREPARED TO ANSWER, UH, WHEN HE COMES BEFORE, UH, THIS BOARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. SMITH. APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS. WE'VE HEARD FROM, UH, DISTRICT 1, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS LIKE TO USE THEIR FIVE MINUTES AT THIS TIME? JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO. UM, SO LET ME, LET ME START OFF BY SAYING I LIKED THE LETTER. UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS THE RESPONSE THE CHIEF INITIALLY GAVE US. UM, BUT, BUT LET ME ALSO SAY, UM, FROM, FROM LOOKING AT THINGS FROM THE GROUND PERSPECTIVE, UM, PUBLIC TRUST, AS IT SAID, IS ERODING RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES. AND, AND I, I, I TRUST, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I TRUST, I TRUST DPD, UH, TO DO THE RIGHT THINGS. AND I WOULD'VE NEVER GOT ON THIS BOARD IF I FELT LIKE I COULDN'T ASK SOMEONE A QUESTION. I WOULD'VE NEVER SAID YES TO THE COUNCILMAN IF I FELT LIKE I WAS JUST GOING TO BE A ROBOT. WE ARE HERE FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND IF THE COMMUNITY'S ASKING QUESTION AND THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNED, WE HAVE A DUTY TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY AND BRING THAT INFORMATION BACK. UM, RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, I, I DO, I DO A MONTHLY FOOD DRIVE, AND RIGHT NOW THE KIDS ARE OUT FOR THE SUMMER. WE'VE SEEN ABOUT A 40% DROP OFF IN PEOPLE NOT COMING [00:50:01] TO PICK UP GROCERIES BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID WE GOTTA GET THIS RIGHT. THE POLICE CHIEFS GOTTA GET THIS RIGHT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NO RHYME OR REASON THAT WE CAN GIVE ANYBODY TO SAY, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE WERE JUST AFRAID, OR, OR WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD ASK THAT BECAUSE HE'S THE POLICE CHIEF, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. UM, I ALSO, I ALSO THINK THAT WE SHOULD GIVE THE POLICE CHIEF DUE PROCESS SINCE HE'LL BE HERE ON TUESDAY. AND I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY HOPE HE COMES ON TUESDAY. I REALLY DO, BECAUSE THIS IS CRITICAL. HOWEVER, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD ASK THOSE QUESTIONS THAT WE WANT TO ASK. AND BEING THAT WE WILL NOT MEET IN JULY, WE COULD GATHER ALL THAT INFORMATION DURING THE MONTH OF JULY UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING IN AUGUST. AND THAT WILL GIVE US SIX MINUTES, I'M, I'M SORRY, SIX WEEKS TO COME UP WITH A REAL LETTER. NOT THAT THIS LETTER ISN'T REAL, BUT PUTTING ALL THE INFORMATION AND THE DATA COLLECTED AND HIS RESPONSE TOGETHER TO MOVE FORWARD. IF AT THAT TIME, WE WANT TO GO AHEAD, UM, WITH THE LETTER, UM, EXPECTATIONS ARE IMPORTANT. WE ALL HAVE EXPECTATIONS. AS A POLICE CHIEF OF DALLAS, YOU HAVE EXPECTATIONS. I COULD WALK OUTTA THIS, THIS MEETING AND WALK DOWN TO THE UNHOUSED AND SAY, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT OF A POLICE CHIEF? THEY'RE GONNA TELL ME SOME EXPECTATIONS. SO AS BOARD MEMBER, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SHARE OUR EXPECTATIONS WITH, UH, WITH THE CHIEF. IT, IT IS JUST FAIR. UM, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, AS, AS MY TIME WINDS DOWN, I DON'T WANT EVERYTHING WE TO, EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING TO BE FOR, NOT, BECAUSE I'M GONNA ALWAYS HAVE MY VOICE, BECAUSE AGAIN, I DON'T MOVE IN FEAR. I DON'T MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON FEAR. THAT'S NOT THE TYPE OF LIFE I LIVE. BUT I WANT TO KNOW THE EFFECT OF SB EIGHT ON ALL OF THIS, BECAUSE THE POWERS THAT BE ARE TELLING US, OR EVEN SHOWING US THAT ALL THIS COULD BE FOR NOT. SO IF, IF WE HAVE TIME FOR, FOR MISS SIERRA TO ADDRESS THAT FOR US, I, I REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN LIFE TO ME RIGHT NOW IS WASTING MY TIME. AND I DON'T THINK OUR TIME SHOULD BE WASTED, ESPECIALLY AS FB, SB EIGHT IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SAY, HEY, YOU CAN'T DO ANY OF THIS. HEY, I WANNA, UH, ABOUT SB EIGHT, UH, GRID. GOOD NEWS. WE'VE GOT A MEETING ON TUESDAY, AND THAT'S ON THE AGENDA. SO, UH, YEAH, WE'LL HEAR, HEAR WORDS ON THAT ONE. YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, FOR YOUR COMMENTS, MR. MAPLES, DISTRICT SEVEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I, I WANNA FIRST SAY, UM, THAT WE DO HAVE A VOICE ON THIS COMMITTEE, AND WE, WE ARE A OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, AND OUR JOB IS TO CREATE SITUATIONS OF ACCOUNTABILITY WHERE WE CAN HOLD, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ACCOUNTABLE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO. AND WE DO HAVE A VOICE FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND PEOPLE DO EXPRESS THEIR SENTIMENTS TOWARDS US, THEIR FEARS AND THEIR CONCERNS. BUT I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BE MORE STRATEGIC. UM, I FEEL LIKE THE LETTER THAT WAS WRITTEN BY CITY STAFF WAS AN AMAZING LETTER, BUT IT WAS EXTREMELY POLITICALLY CORRECT. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF INPUT THAT'S BEING INSERTED IN WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE, WHAT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE. SO IT CREATES YET ANOTHER CYCLE OF WHAT WE SHOULD AND SHOULD NOT BE SAYING. UM, AND THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME, BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO SUBMIT SOMETHING TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS A BODY, THEN WE NEED TO BE ON ONE ACCORD. AND THIS SITUATION IS NOT GONNA BE A ONE ACCORD SITUATION. AND IT, AND IT'S JUST THE FACT OF THE MATTER. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT NO ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PRESENT THEIR CONCERNS BASED ON WHAT THEY FEEL OR WHAT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO THEM. BUT THIS IS A, AN EXTREMELY SLIPPERY SLOPE. THE, THE PAST, UH, THE PERSON THAT SPOKE BEFORE ME, THE OTHER BOARD MEMBER, SAID SOMETHING THAT WAS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE I, I REACHED OUT TO SIERRA THIS WEEK AND ASKED ABOUT SBA IN REGARDS TO HOW IT'S GONNA IMPACT US LONG TERM. BECAUSE IF WE'RE DOING SOMETHING SHORT TERM AND WE'RE CREATING A KNEE-JERK REACTION BASED ON HAVING THE ABILITY TO PRESENT QUESTIONS AND ASK QUESTIONS TO THE POLICE CHIEF, BECAUSE WE'RE THAT BODY, WHAT IS IT GONNA MEAN TWO OR THREE MONTHS FROM NOW WHEN SBA GOES INTO EFFECT? OR IT'S ALREADY INTO EFFECT AND WE START SEEING THE RESIDUALS OF IT? IS IT GONNA BE ALL FOR NAUGHT? WELL, WE DON'T KNOW THAT. BUT ANOTHER THING IS THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE POLICE CHIEF DIRECTLY. AND I KNOW THAT HE DID ISSUE A VERY SHORT STATEMENT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T EXPECTING THAT. I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF COMICAL BECAUSE I'M CYNICAL. UH, AND YOU HAVE TO BE CYNICAL TO SIT IN THESE POSITIONS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE AUDACITY TO ASK THE TYPES OF [00:55:01] QUESTIONS THAT WE ASK. BUT HE DID SAY, AND I'LL QUOTE, I'VE SAID THE EXACT SAME THING EVERY SINGLE TIME ABOUT IMMIGRATION. WE'RE GOING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR JOBS, AND WE WILL NOT BE SEARCHING FOR IMMIGRANTS. WE HAVE NO SPECIAL PROGRAM SEARCHING FOR IMMIGRANTS. NOW, AGAIN, MAYBE THAT'S JUST ANOTHER SHORT STATEMENT SAYING WHAT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO IT. MAYBE WE NEED MORE CLARITY, BUT ASKING FOR MORE CLARITY NEEDS TO BE MORE STRATEGIC, SPECIFICALLY BASED ON THE POWER THAT WE HOLD AS A BOARD. WE CAN'T JUST GO IN THERE CRYING. AND, AND I'M USING THAT WORD VERY LOOSELY, NOT TO ATTACK ANYONE ON THIS BOARD. 'CAUSE WE'RE ALL ADULTS. MANY OF US HAVE SERVED IN THE MILITARY, MANY OF US HAVE SERVED OUR COMMUNITIES, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH CIVIC, WHATEVER. OKAY? BUT I, WE CAN'T GO TO A NEW POLICE CHIEF CRYING ABOUT SOMETHING WITHOUT MORE SUBSTANCE AND WITHOUT GETTING A FULL PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT HE BELIEVES IS GOING TO BE THE OUTCOME BASED ON HIS POLICY THAT HE'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, HE'S GOING TO, UH, ESSENTIALLY EXECUTE. SO I FEEL LIKE THAT WE SHOULDN'T SEND OUT A LETTER UNTIL WE ACTUALLY HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CHIEF. IF WE CAN GET HIM IN THE HORSESHOE, WE CAN GET HIM FACE TO FACE. UH, YOU CAN'T JUDGE TONE BODY, UH, TONE, VOICE INFLECTION BODY LANGUAGE THROUGH A LETTER. IT'S A STATEMENT, AND A PERSON IS GOING TO INTERPRET IT BASED ON HOW THEY'RE READING IT AND HOW THEY'RE FEELING IT. BUT IF WE GET THE CHIEF IN FRONT OF US AND WE HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CHIEF IN FRONT OF, OF US, AND WE ASK THE HARD QUESTIONS, IF YOU WILL, WHILE HE'S FACING US, THEN HE CAN GIVE US THE ANSWERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. BUT I'M JUST NOT IN FAVOR OF SENDING A BLANKET LETTER FROM A COMMITTEE WHEN WE ALL CLEARLY DON'T AGREE ON WHAT SHOULD GO IN. AND THERE'S GONNA BE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CONCEDE TO THAT WE MIGHT NECESSARILY DON'T, DON'T AGREE TOO LONG TERM. AND, AND IF SB EIGHT BECOMES A FACTOR, AGAIN, IT MAY BE A WASTE OF OUR TIME, LIKE THE BOARD MEMBER SAID. SO WE JUST, WE JUST NEED TO BE LESS EMOTIONAL ABOUT THIS AND MORE STRATEGIC ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE WE ARE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OUR CHIEF ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO ARISE. BUT, BUT SITTING AROUND MAKING ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE GONNA BE DONE, UH, ASSUMING THAT A CERTAIN OUTCOME IS GONNA TAKE PLACE, IN MY OPINION, IT'S RECKLESS AND IT, IT'S NOT A FULL REPRESENTATION OF HOW EVERYONE FEELS. NOT ONLY ON THIS BOARD, BUT IN THIS CITY. AND I'LL YIELD THE REST OF MY TIME FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT TO IT. MR. CHAIRMAN, IN YOUR RESPONSE? YES. MM-HMM . I, I, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING ABOUT THIS HAS BEEN RECKLESS, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THIS HAS BEEN VERY CAREFULLY DISCUSSED AND THOUGHT THROUGH. UM, WHAT I, I WOULD PERHAPS SUGGEST AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF, UM, THERE IS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, I DO AGREE THAT WRITING A COHESIVE, COHERENT LETTER BY COMMITTEE IS PROBABLY DIFFICULT. I ALSO THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA LOSE MOMENTUM IF WE DON'T GET SOMETHING OUT TONIGHT, OR IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T AGREE ON SOMETHING TONIGHT, THAT THAT CAN BE SENT ON MONDAY. UM, SO PERHAPS EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE LETTER THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED. UM, MAYBE WHAT WE DO IS, UH, VOTE ON SENDING THIS LETTER ON MONDAY AS WRITTEN, THEN ASKING QUESTIONS ON TUESDAY, AND POTENTIALLY FOLLOWING UP WITH OUR EXPECTATIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE EVERYBODY HAS, UH, CONTRIBUTED TONIGHT. UM, MY CONCERN IS THAT IF WE DON'T GET A MAJORITY VOTE TO GET SOMETHING TO THE CHIEF IN RESPONSE TO HIS RESPONSE, UH, IN ADVANCE OF OUR MEETING, THAT WE'RE GONNA LOSE MOMENTUM AND THIS LETTER MAY NEVER GO OUT. GREAT THOUGHTS ON THAT? YEAH. THANK YOU. AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION. UH, MOVING ON. I WANNA GIVE BRIAN BA A CHANCE, UH, TO SPEAK. HE'S DISTRICT FIVE IS, UH, AND, AND I'D LIKE TO SPEAK. SOUNDS GOOD. WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE A ROUND, UH, AT THE END, UH, FOR OR IN RESPONSE. CAN YOU BE LESS? I I CAN YOU BE LESS THAN, UH, ONE MINUTE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, BRIAN. WE'LL GIVE THE, WE'LL GIVE THE FLOOR ONE MORE ONE RESPONSE FROM DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH AND THEN BRIAN, BOB WILL GIVE YOU, UH, YOUR FIVE MINUTES. THE, UM, HISTORY, THE CHIEF DOES NOT COME TO OUR MEETINGS VERY OFTEN. IF I'M, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, UH, THE GARCIA MAYBE CAME TWICE, SO WE DON'T HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM. UH, THE CHIEF CANCELED MOST OF THE MEETINGS BETWEEN THE DIRECTOR AND THE CHAIR, SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT INPUT. AND SO, AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE ACTING RASHLY. I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE, THIS IS THE THIRD TIME WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, SO IT'S NOT RASH AND IT'S NOT EMOTIONAL. UM, COMING FROM IMMIGRANT FAMILY THAT PRESIDENT WE HAVE HAS, HAS TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REVOKING CITIZENSHIPS. I COULD BE THE ONE LOOKING OUT THE DOOR WITH MY GUN BECAUSE IF I SEE SOMEBODY WITH A MASK ON, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE COMING TO SELL [01:00:01] ME COOKIES. BUT NO, I DON'T, I THINK WE, I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT AND WE NEED TO SEND, WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION. MAY I RESPOND? THANK YOU. 10 SECONDS. OKAY. 10 SECONDS. OKAY. I, I RESPECT THAT STATEMENT. I RESPECT YOUR OPINION. I WILL CERTAINLY NEVER TRY TO DISCARD OR DISCOUNT YOUR EXPERIENCE. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE GOING IN CIRCLES WITH ALL OF THE DISCUSSION, AND IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE CHIEF WHO SAYS HE'S GONNA COME, WE CAN GIVE HIM THAT OPPORTUNITY TO COME WHETHER HE COMES OR NOT EVERY WEEK, WHICH WE DON'T EXPECT THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE MAJOR THAT'S HERE, THEN, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ADDRESS IN THE FUTURE. BUT AS IT STANDS, WE CAN DISAGREE TO DISAGREE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'LL, WE'LL WANNA GIVE THE FLOOR TO BRIAN. BOB. BRIAN, DO YOU WANNA HAVE ANY COMMENTS, UH, SPEAK ON THIS? YEAH, I, I, I WAS GOING TO SAY BRANDON'S POINT OF, JUST BECAUSE WE SEND OUT THIS LETTER AS IS, DOES NOT PREVENT US FROM SENDING OUT A MORE SPECIFICALLY WORDED LETTER IN THE FUTURE ABOUT OUR EXPECTATIONS. AND AS TO THE LETTER AS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, I THINK IT DOES A VERY GOOD JOB OF BEING VERY CAREFUL IN ITS WORDING AND IT SETS THE STAGE WELL, I THINK FOR OUR CONVERSATION ON TUESDAY. AND IF THERE'S BOARD MEMBERS WHO DON'T AGREE WITH THE LETTER, THEN THEY JUST DON'T NEED TO SIGN IT. I THINK THAT RESOLVES ANY ISSUES, UH, THAT PEOPLE HAVE WITH NOT BEING ON BOARD WITH THE LETTER. UH, SO THAT THAT WAS ALL THE COMMENTS I HAD. CAN WE THANK YOU? THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. BOB. APPRECIATE THAT. CAN I, CAN I RESPOND TO THAT REAL QUICK? I JUST, REAL QUICK. SO AS IT RELATES TO, TO THE LETTER, IS IT POSSIBLE TO BREAK THIS LETTER DOWN IN THE BULLET POINT QUESTIONS THAT WAY WE JUST ASK STRAIGHT QUESTIONS TO THE CHIEF WHEN HE'S HERE ON TUESDAY, HE RESPONDS, THEN WE PUT A LETTER TOGETHER. THOUGHTS? WELL, I THINK, UH, I THINK IT'S MY TURN TO TALK MY, MY FIVE MINUTES, SO, UH, YEAH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND PLAY MY CARDS AS WELL. UH, I I, I DO AGREE, UM, LISTENING TO EVERYONE'S THOUGHTS. NUMBER ONE, I WANNA SAY I'M THANKFUL FOR EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD BECAUSE THAT HEALTHY DIALOGUE IS RICH AND IMPORTANT. IT'S WHAT WE NEED WHERE VOICES ARE NEED HAS BEEN RAPED IN HIS HAND FOR WHILE. OH YEAH. UM, AND, UH, I THINK THAT IT'S, UM, THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT BECAUSE WE, EACH OF US CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THE PEOPLE WE REPRESENT OUR DISTRICTS. WE REPRESENT OUR COUNCIL PERSON, AL ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY ELECTED OFFICIALS. AND SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS, UH, SPIRITUAL DIALOGUE. I ALSO, UM, TO PLAY MY CARDS AS FAR AS WHAT I HOPE CAN HAPPEN AS, AS, AS A CHAIR, UH, I WILL BE VOTING AFFIRMATIVE OF SENDING THE LETTER AS IS. AND LEMME TELL YOU, UH, WHY, UH, BECAUSE, UH, THE LETTER IS BASICALLY A QUESTION. UH, IT'S, UH, WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH WITH THE, THE POLICE CHIEF, UH, INITIALLY SENT HIM A FEW QUESTIONS, UH, THAT WERE COMPOSED BY, UH, BRANDON FRIEDMAN. AN EMAIL WAS SENT TO HIM, AND THEN HE WROTE BACK WITH THE EMAIL, WITH THE LETTER THAT WE ALL READ. THAT WAS THAT ONE SENTENCE, OBEY THE LAW. I BELIEVE THIS LETTER IS JUST A QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR SHARING ABOUT THAT. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? COULD YOU GO DEEPER INTO WHAT THAT MEANS? COULD YOU ELABORATE ON, UM, WHAT FOLLOWING THE LAW MEANS WHEN IT COMES TO PRACTICAL LEVEL? UH, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS. UH, THERE'S NO ASSUMPTIONS BEING MADE. THERE IS NO, UH, ACCUSATIONS BEING MADE, UH, ON THIS LETTER. IT'S JUST, HEY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE ABOUT FOLLOWING THE LAW. COULD YOU EXPLAIN MORE? UH, AND COULD YOU TELL US MORE WHAT THAT MEANS? I DO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT BRENDAN FRIEDMAN SAID. I DO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT CHAGA SAID. I DO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT BOARD MEMBER, UH, GRANTER ALLEN SAID. UH, I DO BELIEVE THAT. UH, BUT RIGHT NOW, WHAT IF WE ASK THE QUESTION, GIVE THE, THE POLICE CHIEF A CHANCE TO RESPOND, WE'LL ALSO SEE HIM ON TUESDAY. UM, AND, UH, THEN DEPENDING ON WHAT THE RESPONSE IS, WE WILL HAVE TIME AS A GROUP TO THOUGHTFULLY AND STRATEGICALLY CRAFT A LETTER WHERE ALL OF THE INTERESTS THAT WE HAVE COULD BE REPRESENTED. UH, BUT IF YOU READ THE LETTER, BASICALLY, IT'S JUST A GLORIFIED QUESTION, WITH POMP AND CIRCUMSTANCE, YOU KNOW, UH, HEY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE. WE WISHED IT WAS LONGER. COULD YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU MEAN? UH, AND SO I WILL, I DON'T THINK IT'S, UH, REALISTIC FOR US AGAIN, ALTHOUGH I DO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED AS, UH, PERSONALLY, I AGREE. I DO FEEL LIKE FOR THE SAKE OF, UH, TIME AND FOR THE SAKE OF, UH, AS, AS A CHAIR, I WILL BE VOTING AND HOPING THAT WE VOTE AS A BOARD FOR SENDING THE LETTER AS IS GETTING IT DONE, AND THEN GIVING THE, THE POLICE CHIEF A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO US IN WRITING. UH, BUT ALSO WE'LL HAVE THE CHANCE ON TUESDAY. AND IF THERE'S NEED, WHICH I WILL, I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE, [01:05:01] UM, TO FURTHER RESPOND WITH OUR EXPECTATIONS, WE'LL HAVE THE TIME TO WALK THROUGH THAT TOGETHER AS A BOARD. SO, UH, THAT IS, UH, MY COMMENTS AS THE CHAIR. UH, WE, UH, WE CAN GO RIGHT NOW INTO THE, UH, WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, ARE WE READY TO VOTE AS A BOARD OR DO WE WANT ANOTHER ROUND OF COMMENTS? WE'LL, WE'LL DO THIS. I'M GETTING SOME VERBAL CUES ON THIS. SO LET'S DO ONE MINUTE EACH, UM, PER BOARD MEMBER. THAT'D BE 15 MINUTES IF WE ALL SPEAK. UM, AND OF COURSE, IF YOU NEED MORE TIME, WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT . BUT, UH, LET'S GO IN, GIVE A CHANCE, EVERYONE, UH, TO RESPOND, UH, WITH ONE MINUTE. UH, AND WHO WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN? I WOULD, MS. KING FLOOR IS YOURS. MINUTE, WHENEVER YOU BEGIN. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SENDING THIS LETTER AND SENDING A LIST OF QUESTIONS WHEN WE ARE GONNA SEE OUR CHIEF ON TUESDAY? SO I, I DON'T SEE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. I I ALSO WANNA BE STRATEGIC WHEN WE SEND A LETTER. UM, IT'S ANNOYING THAT HE GAVE US SUCH A SHORT RESPONSE. AND YOU CAN ALSO SAY THAT POLITELY TO HIM ON TUESDAY. ANY OF US SHOULD MAYBE SAY THAT. UM, THAT WAS KIND OF, I WON'T SAY WHAT IT IS, BUT IT WAS, IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE DIFFERENTLY. UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE ARE, WE'RE, THE LETTER CAN WAIT. I, WE MAY NOT GET ALL THE ANSWERS WE WANT, AND THEN WE SEND THE LETTER AND WE SAY, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HAVE MORE TIME WITH YOU. WE NEED MORE ELABORATION ON THIS. UH, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HE IS GONNA SAY YET. AND SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, THE LETTER IS NOT NECESSARY RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, MR. KING? YES, MR. GRAM? YES. I WAS, UH, COMING BACK TO MR. KITCHELL, UH, BOARD MEMBER KITCHELL SAY THAT WE'RE MOVING IN ANTICIPATION OF SOMETHING, BUT I THINK ANTICIPATION CAN BE, UH, ROOTED IN POSITIVITY. THAT WE WOULD WANT SOMETHING POSITIVE TO COME FROM THIS. THAT'S WHY I THINK IT SHOULD GO ON. AND WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT IT COULD BE SOMETHING POSITIVE COMING FROM, UH, HIS REACTION OR HIS RESPONSE. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. PEAK, MR. SPEAKER, ANY OTHER, UH, FOLLOW UP COMMENTS WITHIN A MINUTE TIMEFRAME? UH, YES. UH, CHAIRMAN, YES. MS. WADSWORTH FLOOR IS YOURS. OKAY, UM, YES, THIS IS A VERY CAREFULLY WORDED LETTER. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GO ON THE RECORD IN WRITING THAT THE INITIAL RESPONSE WE GOT WAS TOO SHORT AND NOT SPECIFIC. UM, THE MAIN REASON I FEEL SO STRONGLY ABOUT THIS IS WE HAVE NO GUARANTEE THAT THE CHIEF WILL APPEAR ON TUESDAY, AND WE HAVE NO MEETING IN JULY. TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. THIS IS A VERY, UH, DIPLOMATIC LETTER. AND I'M GONNA VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE LETTER. I WILL SIGN THE LETTER, AND THEN I HOPE WE'RE GONNA GET A LOT MORE ANSWERS ON TUESDAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. WADSWORTH. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? VICTORY LANDER? YES, JUDGE LANDER. INITIALLY I WAS, UM, WANTING THE LETTER TO BE MODIFIED. HAVING HEARD ALL THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HEARD SO FAR TODAY, I BELIEVE THAT THE LETTER SHOULD BE SENT. WE NEED TO SEND SOMETHING. WE NEED TO INDICATE VERY CLEARLY THAT, UH, THE, AND I'LL CALL IT WHAT IT WAS, A FLIPPANT RESPONSE THAT WE PREVIOUSLY GOT IS NOT SUFFICIENT. AND, UH, THIS IS A BIG, LONG QUESTION. I AGREE. AND THEREFORE I WOULD, UH, BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF SENDING THE LETTER AS IS. I WOULD SIGN IT WITH HONOR AND PLEASURE. THANK YOU SO MUCH, JUDGE LANDER. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR ROUND TWO? YES, MR. FREEMAN? UH, I WOULD, I WOULD MS. BRANDON FREEMAN, DISTRICT 14. UH, I WOULD JUST ECHO WHAT OTHER MEMBERS HAVE SAID. UH, I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR OVER THREE YEARS. UM, THERE IS A HIGH LIKELIHOOD THE CHIEF'S NOT GONNA BE HERE ON TUESDAY. NO, NO OFFENSE TO THE NEW CHIEF. MAYBE HE'S GOING TO SET A NEW STANDARD. UM, BUT POLICE CHIEFS OFTEN CANCEL. UH, AND THAT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE AN IMPORTANT JOB. A LOT OF TIMES VERY IMPORTANT THINGS COME UP AND THEY CAN'T BE HERE. BUT BECAUSE THAT, SUCH AS THE NATURE OF THE JOB OF BEING A POLICE CHIEF. BUT BECAUSE OF THAT, UM, I THINK I DO AGREE THAT TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. UH, I DO THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING FORMAL SENT IN WRITING. UM, AND I DO THINK WE'RE RUNNING OUTTA TIME 'CAUSE WE HAD NO MEETING IN JULY, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. THE OTHER THING, I THINK, IS THAT THERE IS VALUE, UM, IN GETTING THIS DONE NOW, BECAUSE WE WANT TO PREVENT THE BAD THINGS FROM HAPPENING. UH, THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN OTHER CITIES, WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN IN HERE. I DON'T WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THOSE THINGS HAPPEN HERE TO ADDRESS THEM. SO I THINK TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. I THINK WE NEED TO GET THIS LETTER AS IS OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. FRIEDMAN. MR. MAPLES, UH, YOUR MINUTES STARTS NOW. YEAH. SO I, UM, I, I AM IN FAVOR OF, OF SENDING A LETTER. I'VE, I'VE HEARD, UM, SEVERAL, I'VE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY. LEMME JUST, LEMME JUST SAY IT THAT WAY. AND I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD A WHILE [01:10:01] ALSO. UM, AND AS DR. SMITH SAYS, THE HISTORY OF POLICE CHIEFS SHOWING UP TO OUR MEETINGS IS SLIM. I, I HOPE THIS POLICE CHIEF DOES SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I REALLY DO. UM, IT'S HIS OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND SET A DIFFERENT STANDARD. HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE THE CASE. BUT I WANT US TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE SEND THIS LETTER, IF, IF WE DECIDE TO SEND IT, THAT WE'RE, UM, VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT HOW THE RESPONSE HAPPENS AND WHEN THE RESPONSE HAPPENS. BECAUSE I CAN SEE THIS BOUNCING TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER THE CHIEF SAYS DOESN'T PUT HIM IN A SITUATION TO WHERE THE CITY OF DALLAS IS BEING SUED BY THE STATE OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE? UH, FOR ROUND TWO ME, JUST VERY BRIEFLY, IF I COULD OH, CHONGA, GO AHEAD. OH, HEY, CHONGA. UH, YEAH, WE CAN'T SEE YOUR VIDEO, BUT, UM, UH, IT'S ON. I'M NOT SURE WHY YOU CAN'T SEE IT. UM, IT'S ON, ON MY END NOW. NOW WE CAN SEE YOU, YOU ARE OFF THE SCREEN NOW WE CAN SEE YOU. YEAH, YOUR MINUTE STARTS. GO AHEAD. UM, YEAH, SO, UM, JUST REALLY QUICKLY, I MEAN, I THINK EVERYBODY'S BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD POINTS. I MEAN, UH, ACROSS, UH, AROUND THE HORSESHOE ON THIS BOARD, UM, YOU KNOW, I AM FOR BEING STRATEGIC. UM, I'M FOR MAKING SURE THAT WHAT WE SAY AND WHAT WE DO COUNTS. I THINK THAT, UH, SOME OF US, UH, HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF HAVING HISTORY ON THIS BOARD AND SEEING THE NOT, UH, THE, THE TRACK RECORD OF POLICE CHIEFS AND HOW THEY RESPOND TO US, THE NATURE THEY RESPOND TO US, AND THE FREQUENCY THAT WE GET, UH, VISITS FROM THE POLICE CHIEF. I THINK WE ARE WELL WITHIN, UH, REASON TO SEND THIS LETTER PROACTIVELY. AND QUITE FRANKLY, GUYS, IT'S JUST A FREAKING LETTER, RIGHT? LIKE, WE CAN ASK WHATEVER WE WANT TO ASK IN THIS LETTER, AND IT CAN BE A SEGUE FOR OUR CONVERSATION DURING OUR BOARD MEETING, RIGHT? IT CAN SERVE TWO PURPOSES. SO, UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE LETTER GOING AS IS. I'M ALSO IN FAVOR OF ADDING THE LANGUAGE IF WE WANNA ADD THE LANGUAGE, OR WE CAN WAIT UNTIL TUESDAY. AND THOSE CAN BE BULLET POINTS THAT WE ASK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT QUESTIONS ONCE WE GET THE, THE CON UH, THE COMMENT. BUT THE HISTORY OF THIS BOARD HAS SHOWN US THAT WE DO NEED TO BE PROACTIVE AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO HAVE A BOTH END STRATEGY. WE CAN WAIT AND RESPECTFULLY WAIT FOR A RESPONSE OR, OR, OR EXPECT A RESPONSE AS WELL AS WE CAN SEND OUR EXPECTATIONS AND, AND OUR, IN OUR QUESTIONS AND OUR INQUIRIES TO THE POLICE CHIEF WHENEVER WE WANT TO. AND I THINK BOTH OF THEM, BOTH WAYS ARE VALID AND WE SHOULD DO BOTH. AND I DEMOCRAT, APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS MR. HIGGINS. YEAH, FOR THE ROUND TWO, I'VE HEARD FROM DISTRICT 3, 7 10 OH, WHO I MAY HAVE MIS I MISSPOKE ON THAT ONE. I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT WAS. UH OH. MAY HAVE AN EIGHT. YEAH, I APOLOGIZE. I'VE HEARD FROM 3, 8, 10, 12 AND 14. UH, ANY OTHER DISTRICTS WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK BEFORE VERY BRIEFLY. OH, YES. MS. WINTER ALLEN, YOUR MINUTE WILL BEGIN WHEN YOU BEGIN, WHEN YOU START TALKING. THANK YOU. UH, VERY, VERY BRIEFLY. I JUST WANNA CLEAR SOMETHING UP FROM, FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT. SBA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DPD. IT WON'T AFFECT DPD AT ALL. IT ONLY HAS TO DO WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, SO WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. ALSO, I DON'T KNOW THIS MAN, BUT HE IS NOT APPOINTED OUR LEADER. HE IS OUR POLICE CHIEF, AND HE WOULDN'T BE THE POLICE CHIEF OF A BIG, BIG CITY IF HE COULDN'T TAKE A LITTLE PRESSURE. AND THIS IS SOME EXTREMELY POLITE PRESSURE. IT PUTS US ON RECORD. IF HE DOESN'T SHOW UP, IT PUTS US ON RECORD IF HE DOES SHOW UP, AND THEN HE WILL BE PREPARED TO ANSWER A FEW MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW HE INTENDS TO IMPLEMENT HIS POLICY AND, AND HIS CULTURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT. I'M GONNA VOTE FOR THE LETTER TO GO OUT AS IS, AND I'M GONNA HAVE SOME FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS WHEN WE SEE HIM ON TUESDAY. THANKS. THANK YOU, MR. GREENER. ALLEN. WE'VE HAD A SECOND ROUND FROM, UH, 3, 8 10, 12 14. ANY OTHER DISTRICTS WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU. YES, MR. CHAIR. THIS IS DISTRICT 13, DAVID KITNER. JUST ONE COMMENT. AND, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BASICALLY TWO OR THREE DAYS HERE TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS. I DON'T KNOW IF HE'LL SHOW UP OR NOT. I'M, I'M ASSUMING HE WILL. UH, I THINK IT'S GONNA LOOK BAD IF HE DOESN'T, AND I'M GONNA BE EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED. BUT I WILL SAY, UM, THERE, TO ME, THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR CHARACTERIZATION, WHICH I DON'T NECESSARILY DISAGREE WITH THAT YOUR LETTER IS JUST ONE QUESTION, AND IT'S OF THE EFFECT THAT, UH, [01:15:01] WE GOT YOUR RESPONSE, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? I THINK THAT'S FAR DIFFERENT THAN A TWO-PAGE LETTER HERE THAT, UH, I THINK HAS A LOT OF THINGS IN IT, THAT IT'S NOT THIS ONE BIG QUESTION HERE. SO THAT'S MY OBSERVATION. THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. KIDNER. I APPRECIATE IT. YES, MR. JACKSON? I, I'M GOOD. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. OKAY. WE'RE JUST GOING BACK AND FORTH. IT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS SAYS HE DOESN'T LIKE TO WASTE HIS TIME. AND I AGREE WITH THAT. UM, I, I DON'T FEEL THAT WE SHOULD DISMISS PEOPLE'S COMMENTS, UH, YOU KNOW, SAYING THAT IT IS JUST A FREAKING LETTER. IT'S KIND OF CONDESCENDING AND IT'S DISMISSIVE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IF I WERE, IF ANYWHERE ON THIS BOARD WERE TO DISMISS OTHER PEOPLE'S OPINIONS, UH, IN A WAY THAT'S UNPROFESSIONAL, THEN THAT WOULD BE DEEMED, UM, VERY, UH, IT'S WRONG. SO, UH, I'LL MAKE MY VOTE. ALL I WOULD SAY IS THAT I WOULD ASK THAT IN THE EVENT THAT WE HAVE, UH, A LETTER THAT'S BEING SENT AS A BOARD, I KNOW YOU SAID WE CAN SIGN IT. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO A PLACE IN THAT LETTER THAT SAYS THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WERE OPPOSED TO IT. I WOULDN'T MIND SIGNING MY NAME TO THAT, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, THIS, UH, IN MY OPINION IS IF WE'RE GONNA TALK TO HIM ON TUESDAY, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS KEEP SAYING HE'S NOT GONNA COME, OR HOWEVER THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST, UM, MY CYNICISM WOULD, WOULD QUESTION WHY THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE THE WAY THEY HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST, AND WHY THE RE UH, THE RESPONSE HAS BEEN RECEIVED, THE WAY IT HAS BEEN RECEIVED. AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION IN CONSIDERING SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY. SO, UH, I WOULD JUST SAY WE CAN MAYBE ADD SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH, AND I WOULD BE, BE VERY HAPPY TO SIGN THAT. HEY, JACKSON, APPRECIATE THAT. APPRECI, YOUR COMMENTS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON ROUND TWO? ANYBODY ELSE WHO HASN'T HAD A CHANCE? WE HAVE DISTRICT THREE SPOKE AT 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, AND 14. I THINK, UH, WE'RE GOOD. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S SOME MORE HANDS UP IN THE AIR, BUT I, I RESPECTFULLY ASK. I THINK THAT, UH, WELL, I THINK EVERYONE KIND OF KNOWS WHAT, WHERE, WHERE THEY WANT TO DO WHAT THEY WANNA VOTE TODAY. I, I DO FEEL LIKE MAYBE WE CAN MOVE TO A VOTE AND THERE'LL BE OTHER, UH, CONVERSATIONS. OF COURSE, THIS, THIS CONVERSATION WILL CONTINUE. THIS IS, UH, UH, AND SO IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE BOARD, I'D LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION. YES. OKAY, PERFECT. UH, SO AT THIS TIME, UH, WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL, UH, VOTE. UH, AND IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF SENDING THE LETTER AT AS IS, UH, THEN THE RESPONSE WILL BE, YAY. IF YOU ARE OPPOSED TO SENDING THE LETTER, THEN THE RESPONSE WILL BE NAY AND THE MAJORITY, UH, WILL CARRY, UH, THIS VOTE. UH, IF THE BOARD AGAIN CHOOSES TO, UM, TO SEND A LETTER WITH THE MAJORITY, IT IS UP TO EACH BOARD MEMBER'S DISCRETION WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO PUT THEIR NAME ON THE LETTER. UH, SO, UH, JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS IN ADVANCE, UH, WE'LL GO AND BEGIN, UH, WITH ROLL CALL, VOTE, UH, DISTRICT ONE, CHECK ONE. OZZIE SMITH. UH, NO. BASED ON REASONS STATED FOR JONATHAN MAPLES. DISTRICT TWO? YES. DISTRICT THREE. MR. HIGGINS, ARE YOU, UH, ONLINE? I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. I COULDN'T GET OFF MUTE. UH, DISTRICT THREE. JOHN JACOBINS? YES. YAY. DISTRICT FOUR? YES. DISTRICT FIVE. DISTRICT FIVE. BRIAN BAUGH. YAY. DISTRICT SIX, DERRICK PEGRAM. DISTRICT SIX. YAY. DISTRICT SEVEN. TIM JACKSON. DISTRICT SEVEN NAY. DISTRICT EIGHT C. VICTOR LANDER. DISTRICT EIGHT? YES. DISTRICT NINE. DISTRICT NINE. ALLISON ALLEN? YES. DISTRICT 10? UH, DISTRICT 10. JENNY. KING NAY. DISTRICT 11. DISTRICT 11. ARLENE STEIN FIELD. YAY. DISTRICT 12. WADSWORTH DISTRICT 12. YES. DISTRICT 13. NER DISTRICT 13? NO. DISTRICT 14. DISTRICT 14. BRANDON FRIEDMAN. YES. DISTRICT 15. UH, JOHN MARK DAVIDSON. AND I VOTE YES. SO LEMME COUNT THESE. THE VOTE, UH, FOR THE 11 AFFIRMATIVE. AND FOUR, UH, I GUESS WHAT'S THE OPPOSITE OF AFFIRMATIVE AGAINST, AGAINST 11? AFFIRMATIVE FOUR. AGAINST THE MOTION CARRIES. UH, WE AS A BOARD WILL, WILL SEND THIS LETTER OUT. THE OFFICE CAN FACILITATE THAT. AND, UH, THE BOARD MEMBERS, EACH OF YOU WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO ADD YOUR NAME IF YOU CHOOSE TO, AND IF IT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD CHOOSE TO. OF COURSE. THERE'S NO OBLIGATION TO DO THAT. UH, [01:20:01] THIS LETTER, UH, AS MAJORITY HAS SPOKEN, WE WILL SEND OUT, UH, THIS LETTER, UH, TO THE BOARD CHIEF, SEEKING FURTHER CLARIFICATION ON HIS STANCE ON IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? LEMME SEE HERE. ANY OTHER FINAL COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? YES, MS. SO SINCE THIS LETTER IS GOING OUT, SHOULD WE ADD A STATEMENT SAYING, WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR ELABORATION ON THESE MATTERS AT OUR TUESDAY MEETING, AND REINFORCE THAT WE EXPECT HIS ATTENDANCE THERE UNLESS THERE'S AN EMERGENCY? UM, I MEAN, YEAH, WE CAN, UH, I KNOW THE BOARD, THE, THE OFFICE WILL BE COMMUNICATING WITH, WITH THE, UH, YEAH, CONFIRMED. SO, WELL, EVERYONE'S WORRIED HE IS NOT GONNA SHOW UP. SO MAYBE WE PUT IN THE LETTER THAT WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HIM ON TUESDAY AT 5:30 PM OR WHATEVER. AND WE'LL, UH, HEY, THE OFFICE WILL BE IN CONTACT WITH THE POLICE OFFICE AND, AND, UH, AGAIN, I, I THINK IT'S, UH, HE'S MENTIONED HE WILL BE HERE, UH, AND I, I'M HOPING HE'S HERE. SO, UH, YES. MR. MAPLES. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, IT, IT, IT IS NOT, WE'RE NOT WORRIED. WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST JUDGING ON PAST HISTORY. AND, AND THIS IS A NEW CHIEF, SO HE GETS, HE GETS EVERYTHING. HE'LL GET ALL THE GRACE HE NEEDS TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS RUN DIFFERENTLY. BUT I WANT TO ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO MAKE SURE YOU GET YOURSELF TWO OR THREE QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANT TO ASK, WHETHER YOU, WHETHER YOU VOTED FOR OR AGAINST THAT LETTER. I'M SURE EVERYBODY HAS SOME QUESTIONS. SO MAKE SURE YOU, YOU BRING YOUR QUESTIONS WITH YOU ON TUESDAY. AND, UH, JUST SO THE BOARD KNOWS, PLEASE SEND THOSE QUESTIONS BY SUNDAY EVENING TO THE OFFICE. WAL DEER, I BELIEVE IS, UH, IF YOU HAVE HIS EMAIL, HE'LL, HE'LL, HE'S THE ONE. BUT ALSO CC, UH, THE DIRECTOR AS WELL. THAT'D BE, UH, VERY GOOD. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN, UH, THIS MEETING TONIGHT? MOTION TO ADJOURN. UH, DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE CLOSE? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY YAY. A AYE. ALL OPPOSED, MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY AS OF 6 52. THIS MEETING IS NOW ADJOURNED. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.