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APPROVAL OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING MINUTES THIS PASSED.
NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS ON.
JENNIFER, CAN Y'ALL HEAR US NOW? YEAH.
WE HEARD YOU AS SOON AS YOU CUT MINUTES.
UH, JERRY FANCHER NOMINATE DAVID PARKIN AS INTERIM CHAIR.
THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS TO APPROVE THE PREVIOUS MEETING MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 5TH, 2024 MEETING.
UM, ON REVIEW, THERE WAS ONE ITEM BROUGHT UP THAT, UM, LAST TIME THE TEMPORARY CHAIRPERSON WAS, UH, A MOTION WAS BY JARED.
AND THEN THE OTHER MOTION VIA SECOND MOTION WAS BY JOE JOSEPH, D FRANCISCO, NOT JOE VINKY.
THAT IS THE ONLY ITEM THAT IS, UH, DEVIATES FROM WHAT IS SUMMARIZED.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE PREVIOUS MEETING MINUTES, STEVEN, TO I MOVE TO APPROVE PREVIOUS MEETINGS MINUTES WITH THE AMENDMENTS.
I SECOND IT WITH THE AMENDMENTS.
UH, MEETING MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR, UH, AGENDA TODAY IS TO REVIEW AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 52.
UH, CHAPTER 53, CHAPTER 57 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE.
UM, CHANGE THE NAME OF CHAPTER 57 FROM DALLAS ONE AND TWO.
FAMILY DWELLING CODE TO DALLAS, ONE TO EIGHT.
FAMILY CODE BELIEVE HAS NFSA LADY THAT IS ONLY PERSON
SO MR. CHAIR, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THIS, WE HAVE TO HEAR FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
I'M TOLD THERE'S AT LEAST ONE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO DESIRES TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.
I SURE WE CAN ADDRESS THE BOARD THROUGH AFTER THREE MINUTES.
CINDY, DID YOU HEAR ALL THAT? NOPE.
HOW WE DOING? WE GOT OUR SPEAKER TURN.
CHARLES, CAN YOU TALK, MAKE SURE OUR SOUND WORKS? YEAH, I CAN HEAR YOU.
THERE IS A SLIGHT ECHO IN THE ROOM, BUT THAT I CAN HEAR EVERYTHING PRETTY WELL.
UH, CINDY ASKED ME TO SPEAK AND SHE'S TEXTED ME.
SHE, SHE CAN'T, SHE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
HUGO NEEDS TO TURN ON HIS CAMERA.
I'M IN MY CAR, SO HOLD ON HERE.
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AND, UH, VERY GOOD.UM, WE WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES WITH OUR COMMENTS.
WELL, THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
GOOD AFTERNOON OR GOOD MORNING TO Y'ALL IN DALLAS.
I SERVE AS THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR THE NATIONAL FIRE SPRINKLER ASSOCIATION.
WE'RE BASED IN MARYLAND, BUT WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES IN TEXAS AND WORK CLOSELY WITH, UH, UH, MANY JURISDICTIONS, UH, IN TEXAS AND ACROSS THE, ACROSS THE US.
WE'RE CONCERNED THAT THIS CHANGE ATTEMPTS TO FIT THE MULTI-FAMILY, BUT WE'RE WE'RE CONCERNED THAT THIS CHANGE ATTEMPTS TO FIT MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS INTO A CODE, THE IRC THAT WAS NEVER DESIGNED FOR THEM.
BY RECLASSIFYING THESE AS CONSOLIDATED BUILDINGS OR CONSOLIDATED DWELLINGS, THIS CHANGE ALLOWS MULTI-UNIT BUILDINGS TO BE BUILT WITHOUT FIRE SPRINKLERS.
EVEN WITH SINGLE EXIT DESIGNS AND HIGHER OCCUPANT LOADS, GOING FROM A TWO FAMILY DWELLING CODE TO AN EIGHT FAMILY DWELLING DWELLING CODE IS A 300% INCREASE.
WHERE'S THE 300% INCREASE IN THE FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY MEASURES? THAT'S, THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, THREE AND MORE UNITS IS, IS IN THE IBC.
UM, BUT THIS IS GOING IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.
THIS IS GOING INTO THE IRC WITH A 300% INCREASE.
ONE OF THE CHANGES PROPOSES A TWO HOUR FIRE RATE OF WALL AND FLOORS UP TO EIGHT UNITS WITHOUT FIRE SPRINKLERS.
THIS CHANGE TO THE IRC WILL PROVIDE SIMILAR ASSEMBLIES AS USED IN LARGER MULTIFAMILY CONSTRUCTION UNDER THE IBC.
WHERE SPRINKLERS ARE REQUIRED ARE ALSO REQUIRED.
FIRE PROTECTION USING JUST RATED WALLS ALONE IS NOT ENOUGH.
AS A RESIDENT IN ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING INTO THE, IN THE UNIT NEXT TO YOU.
THAT'S WHY MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS UNDER THE IBC ARE SPRINKLERS BECAUSE FIRE SPREADS FAST AND LIES DEPEND ON THAT EARLY FIRE CONTROL.
WITH SPRINKLERS AND SPRINKLER BUILDINGS, A FIRE IS CONTAINED TO THE ROOM OF OBJECT TO ORIGIN 92% OF THE TIME VERSUS 40% OF THE TIME FOR UN SPRINKLER RECENT FIRES, WE DON'T REALLY HEAR OF TOO MANY RECENT FIRES IN MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN REQUIRED TO BE SPRINKLERS SINCE 2003 IN THE IBC AND, AND TEXAS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, TEXAS IS ONE OF THE LEADING STATES, UH, FOR SPRINKLER SAVES AND WHICH ARE SUCCESSFUL SPRINKLER ACTIVATIONS.
AND 94% OF THE TIME IT ONLY TAKES ONE OR TWO SPRINKLERS TO CONTROL THE FIRE.
AND, AND I SAID TEXAS, THERE'S LIKE A NUMBER TWO STATE IN THE US FOR THESE SUCCESSFUL SPRINKLER ACTIVATION.
SO YOU'RE NOT SEEING THESE LARGE FIRES ON THE NEWS AT NIGHT.
THE COMPARE THE COMPARISON OF THIS CONSOLIDATED IRC CHANGE AND THE I AND THE IBC HAS DARK SCAN, A THREE STORY R TWO BUILT UNDER THE IBC NEXT TO ONE OF THESE CONSOLIDATED DWELLINGS.
AND THE DIFFERENCE CLEAR, THE R TWO HAS SPRINKLERS, FIRE ALARMS, AND A FULL SET OF LIFE SAFETY SYSTEMS. THE CONSOLIDATED DWELLING DOESN'T IN THE IRC.
I MEAN, YOU CAN GET, IF YOU LOOK AT THESE TWO BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, YOU CAN GET RIGHT DOWN TO SOME PRETTY, UH, MINUTE DETAILS.
LIKE THE IBCS GONNA REQUIRE TWO HAND RAILS ON THAT SINGLE EXITS THERE AND THE IRCS WILL ONLY ALLOW, WOULD ALLOW ONE HAND RAIL ON THAT, THAT SINGLE THANK YOU MR. HUGO.
THAT'S, UH, YES SIR, THAT'S THREE MINUTES.
APPRECIATE VERY MUCH, MUCH YOUR TIME.
DOES HE NEED TO TURN HIS CAMERA ON AS WELL? YES.
AND SO, QUESTION BY MR. KINGSTON AND, UH, NEEDS TO TURN HIS CAMERA ON.
STILL HAVE A QUESTION? OH, THERE HE IS.
UH, PHIL PHILIP KINGSTON, 5 9 0 1 PALO PINTO IN DALLAS.
UM, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR CONSIDERING THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE STAFF HAS WORKED EXTREMELY HARD ON IT, UM, AND HAS RUN DOWN MANY OF THE CONCERNS JUST ADDRESSED BY THE INDUSTRY REPRESENTATIVE.
UM, AND IN SPECIFIC WE HAVE ARE LEAVING IN PLACE THE REQUIREMENT THAT ANY BUILDING OVER 7,500 SQUARE FEET BE SPRINKLED.
UM, IT IS CONCEIVABLE THAT SOMEONE MIGHT BUILD A BUILDING OF EIGHT UNITS THAT EXCEEDS 7,500 SQUARE FEET, BUT IF THEY DID SO, THEY WOULD SIMPLY HAVE TO SPRINKLE IT.
AND I SUSPECT THAT GIVEN THE AVERAGE UNIT SIZE THAT WE SEE IN DALLAS, UH, EIGHT UNIT BUILDINGS WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER THAN 7,500 SQUARE FEET.
ADDITIONALLY, STAFF EVALUATED THE SMALL BUILDING CODE, UH, WHICH PREVAILS ACROSS CANADA AND HAS NOTED THAT, UH, CANADA CONTINUES TO HAVE GREATER, UM, FIRE SAFETY OUTCOMES
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THAN THE UNITED STATES DOES.SO IT'S, IT'S NOT THE, IT'S NOT THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT'S DRIVING LIFE SAFETY PROBLEMS. IT'S A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S BEEN RECENT REPORTING SHOWING THAT THE IBC HAS LARGELY NOT BEEN TESTED, UH, WITH, UH, SCIENTIFIC, UM, RESEARCH TO PROVE THAT IT IS IN FACT INCREASING LIFE SAFETY.
UM, IN PARTICULAR, THE FIRE WATCH RULE HAS BEEN HEAVILY CRITICIZED RECENTLY, AS HAS DOUBLE STARE.
UM, SO WITH THESE SMALLER BUILDINGS, I THINK STAFF HAS CONCLUDED THAT THESE SIMPLY AREN'T ENORMOUS CONCERNS.
UM, I ALSO CHECKED OUT THE TWO HOUR, UH, FIREWALL REQUIREMENT WITH MY CONTRACTORS.
AND THE INCREASED COST OF THE TWO HOUR FIREWALL IS SIMPLY NOT MATERIAL.
UM, SO THE INCREASED SAFETY FROM THE TWO HOUR FIREWALL IS, UH, MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GOING TO PREVENT GOOD DEVELOPMENTS.
BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME TODAY AND I APPRECIATE THE EXTREMELY LEARNED, UH, GROUP OF PEOPLE ON THIS COMMITTEE AND HOPE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO RECOMMEND THE STAFF'S PROPOSED LANGUAGE TO COUNCIL.
YEAH, SO I WAS GONNA ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE.
NOW I SEE CINDY'S HAND IS RAISED.
WE'RE NOT ABLE TO HEAR? NO, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
SHE CAN LOG OUT, LOG BACK IN AND SEE IF IT GOES.
SO AS SHE DOES THAT, WHICH MIGHT TAKE A MINUTE, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT, UH, HAS ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? FROM THE PUBLIC? I'D SAY NO.
SO DID WE GIVE HER A MINUTE BACK AGAIN? CINDY? DID WE HEAR FROM CINDY LAST TIME? WE DID, YEAH.
I THINK SHE'S GONNA CALL AND WHO'S SHE GONNA CALL? YEAH, DURING THE MEETING, THE FALL.
UM, I THINK AS FAR AS TIME GOES, PROBABLY WE NEED TO HEAR FROM MR. SESSIONS NOW, SO, SO WITH THAT, DAVID.
THANKS FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE ON THE, UH, ON THE VIRTUAL MEETING.
UH, CAMILLE, IF YOU WOULD PULL UP THIS, THIS FIRST, UH, DOCUMENT IS ENTITLED DRAFT CONSOLIDATED CODE METRIC VERSUS PROPOSAL
WHAT I WANNA START WITH IS, SINCE, SINCE WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD TIME TO GIVE, UH, I WANNA DO A COMBINATION, GO THROUGH THE GRAPH ORDINANCE AND GIVE THE OVERVIEW AT THE SAME.
AT THE SAME TIME, SINCE WE'RE, I THINK WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A HARD ONE.
I THINK WE WE'RE LOSING ONE MEMBER AT ONE 30, I BELIEVE.
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CAMILLE, IF YOU WILL GO, GO TO THE, UM, THE GO TO PAGE SEVEN ON THAT DOCUMENT, AND THEN ONE MORE PAGE AFTER THAT.AND EVERYBODY OKAY THAT, THAT ONE, EVERYBODY HAS THAT.
SO IF YOU WOULD GO TO PAGE SEVEN AND TURN TO EFFECTIVELY PAGE EIGHT.
THIS SUGGESTS A BROAD OVERVIEW OF THE, OF THE, UH, OF THE CONCEPT OF THE COMPOSING.
UM, AND IT'S BASED ON THE EXISTING CODE PROVISIONS AND IT LISTS THE, YOU SEE ON THE EXTREME LEFT, YOU SEE THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, WHICH IS AN IRC STRUCTURE, WHICH IS THE LOWEST RISK.
AND EXTREME RIGHT YOU HAVE THE R TWO, UH, OCCUPANCY, R TWO MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING STRUCTURE, WHICH IS AN IBC STRUCTURE, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST RISK.
SO IN BETWEEN THOSE YOU HAVE THE TOWNHOUSE, WHICH IS AN IRC STRUCTURE.
AND THEN C IS THIS PROPOSED R THREE MULTIFAMILY DWELLING STRUCTURE, WHICH MY TAKE ON IT, IT IS A, IT IS A COMBINATION OF IRC, UH, IBC STRUCTURE.
SO WHAT I DID IS USING A VENN DIAGRAM, UH, THE IDEA IS TO SHOW THAT, TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE DESIRED STRUCTURE IS ACTUALLY A HYBRID.
IT'S A COMBINATION OF B AND B.
SO IT'S, IT'S TO TAKE THE TOWNHOUSE PROVISION FOR IRC, THE MULTIFAMILY PROVISION IN THE IBC, AND THEN IN THAT MIDDLE SECTION, GO TO THE NEXT PAGE.
AND I'VE LABELED THOSE, THOSE AREAS OF THE CIRCLE, ROMAN NU ONE, TWO, AND THREE TO, SO THAT WE CAN REFER TO THE SECTIONS.
AND THE BOTTOM LEFT OF THE PAGE, YOU'LL SEE THE, THE DESIGNATION, THE ONE STAND, UH, ROMAN NUMBER ONE STANDS FOR R THREE, UH, TOWNHOUSE ROMAN NUMBER THREE IS R TWO MULTIFAMILY DWELLING, WHICH IS IBC.
AND THEN THE OVERLAP AREA, ROMAN NU TWO IS THE R THREE MULTIFAMILY DWELLING.
NOW THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE NOW IF WE GO BACK TO THE VERY FIRST PAGE, THE SAME DOCUMENT, THE FIRST PAGE, NOW YOU SEE UNDER, UNDER ACCESSIBILITY I HIGHLIGHTED, OKAY, SO INSTEAD OF USING ROMAN NU I USE THE R THREE TOWN HOUSE, R THREE MULTIFAMILY DWELLING, AND R TWO MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS.
UH, THOSE CORRESPOND TO THE ROMAN THAT WERE, THAT WERE ON THE VENN DIAGRAM.
SO FOR, UH, FOR THE SAKE OF UNDERSTANDING, I'VE USED THAT SAME DESIGNATION THROUGHOUT ALL OF THESE ITEMS IN HERE.
THIS IS JUST A CODE ANALYSIS USING THOSE THREE BUILDING TYPES ALL THE WAY THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT.
SO THIS FIRST SECTION JUST DEALS WITH ACCESSIBILITY.
NEXT SECTION DEALS WITH TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION OF FIRE, FIRE AREAS, NUMBER OF STORIES, UH, BASED ON THE, EXCUSE ME, IBC, UH, WITH A CONDITIONAL SPRINKLER REQUIREMENT AND NUMBER OF STORIES UNCONDITIONALLY SPRINKLER, AND, UH, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THE
ALL OF THESE, LET ME GET SOME WATER.
UM, BUT THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT DOES THIS ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE, THE, THE PRIMARY POINT IS I, I LIKE THE, I LIKE THE COMMENT THAT GARRETT MADE IN THE LAST MEETING.
UH, HE USED A REALLY INTERESTING PHRASE.
HE SAID THAT, UH, ONE WAY TO LOOK AT THESE IS AS A TOWNHOUSE STACKED, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS, UH, THIS DIAGRAM ENVISIONS, THESE TOWNHOUSES IN EFFECT STACKED ON EACH OTHER.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS SCHEMATIC IN EFFECT, UH, GIVES US HERE, EXCUSE ME.
THE, UM, WILL MAKE ONE DISTINCTION ON HERE.
UM, THE, AS THERE, THERE IS THE, THERE ARE THE PROPONENTS OF THIS, OF THIS, UH, OF THIS PRODUCT, RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT THERE, THE ARCHITECTS AND DESIGNERS AND THE CO-EFFICIENT OF THE THREE SEPARATE ROLES.
AND I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE CODE OFFICIAL.
UH, AS A CODE OFFICIAL, THE FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY OBJECTIVES ARE UNCHANGING.
UH, THAT'S A GIVEN AS FAR AS THE CODE IS CONCERNED.
SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL, UH, OF THE OUTPUT.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THIS AS A, LIKE A COMPUTER PROGRAM, YOU HAVE INPUT, YOU HAVE THE BOX WHERE THE DELIBERATION OF, OF THE COMPUTING GOES ON PLATE, AND YOU HAVE AN OUTPUT.
SO THE INPUT OF THE FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY OBJECTIVES,
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THAT'S AN UNCHANGING THING.THAT'S, THAT'S THERE REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO, IS THE OUTPUT IS WHAT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION HERE.
CURRENTLY, THE IBC SAYS THREE UNITS AND ABOVE AND UNDER SINGLE ROOF, IT OUTPUTS CERTAIN ELEMENTS, FIREWALLS, SPRINKLERS, FIRE ALARMS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, UH, CHANGING HERE IS THE OUTPUTS.
WE'RE SAYING THAT WE WANT DIFFERENT OUTPUTS, BUT, BUT AGAIN, THE FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY OBJECTIVES ARE NOT IN QUESTION.
THOSE DON'T CHANGE AT THE END OF THE, AT THE END OF THIS PROCESS, WHATEVER WE DO, THOSE OBJECTIVES STILL HAVE TO BE MET.
SO THAT'S AN ONGOING, UH, ELEMENT HERE.
SO WHAT I, WHAT I, WHAT I THOUGHT I WOULD DO, UH, IS, UH, ANY, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, JUST BROAD SCHEMATIC? SURE.
SO WHERE DOES THE PLEX REFLEX OMA NU ONE, UM, WHAT I, WHAT I, UM, PROPOSED HERE IS TO APPROACH THIS FROM THE WAY THAT WE WOULD APPROACH IT FROM A PLAN REVIEW STANDPOINT.
AND THEN, UH, WHEN WE GET TO THE BOARD'S, UH, TIME TO, UH, UH, DELIBERATE ON THIS AND ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS.
SO NOW I WANT TO GO TO THE ACTUAL, UH, DOCUMENT ITSELF.
AND THIS IS, UH, PULL THAT UP ON THE SCREEN.
CAMILLE IS THE ONE THAT HAS A 9.3 IN THE UPPER RIGHT, AND I GAVE COPIES OF THAT TO EACH OF YOU, THE OTHER, THE OTHER, OKAY.
SO IF WE, IF WE APPROACH THIS FROM A PLAN REVIEW STANDPOINT, THE FIRST THING THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT IS, IS THE, THE IMAGINE YOURSELF AT A, AT THE 60,000 LEVEL VIEW.
AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS SITE AND YOU'RE ZOOMING DOWN, GETTING, ZOOMING DOWN IN ON THE SITE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE SITE ITSELF AND THE STREETS THAT BOUND THE, UH, THE ACTUAL SITE ITSELF.
SO ON THIS PAGE, CAMILLE, THAT YOU WILL GO TO, AND, AND YOU ALL HAVE THIS COPY IN FRONT OF YOU, IF YOU CAN GO TO PAGE SIX.
NOW, ON THAT TABLE THERE, YOU SEE THE TABLE SAYS MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE BUILDING AREA FOR THE CONSOLIDATED DWELLING.
AND IT HAS, UH, THE BUILDING FACING ONE STREET, TWO STREETS, AND THREE STREETS.
UH, THIS IS A WELL KNOWN FIRE LIFE SAFETY PLANNING PRINCIPLE, WHEREAS IN THE BUILDING CODE, YOU LOOK IN THE TABLE IN THE BUILDING CODE, YOU GIVE IT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF AREA THAT COMES RIGHT OUT OF THE TABLE.
LET'S SAY IT'S, UH, IN THIS, LET'S JUST USE THIS EXAMPLE.
UH, IT'S 53 5,333 SQUARE FEET.
IF YOU MEET THE REQUIREMENTS ON THE ONE STREET, YOU CAN HAVE THAT WITHOUT, UH, WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE COMPUTATION TO INCREASE YOUR AREAS.
BUT IN, BUT IN ORDER TO GET LARGER AREAS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE STREETS FACING OR YARDS FACING THE BUILDING.
THE REASON FOR THIS IS BECAUSE THE MORE STREETS THAT THE BUILDING FACES, THAT MEANS THE MORE APPROACHES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS TO FIGHT THE FIRE.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE MORE YARDS OF STREET THE BUILDING HAS FRONTS ON IT ALLOWS WHAT'S CALLED FIRE EXPOSURE BETWEEN THAT BUILDING AND ANY ADJACENT BUILDING OR ANY OTHER PROPERTY, YOU'VE GOT THE, YOU'VE GOT THE AIR AND THE YARD IN BETWEEN THOSE BUILDINGS.
SO IF A FIRE STARTS IN THE SUBJECT BUILDING, YOU GOT THE EARTH, THE AIR, AND THE SKY BETWEEN THOSE BUILDINGS.
SO YOU HAVE FIRE EXPOSURE PROTECTION IN THAT SENSE.
THAT'S WHY THE CODE ALLOWS YOU TO INCREASE THE BUILDING AREA IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL YARD SPACES.
SO THIS TABLE IS SET UP IN THAT SAME, IN THAT SAME MATTER.
NOW, THE TABLE, UH, WE BORROWED FROM THE CANADIAN CODE.
THE CANADIAN CODE HAS A PROVISION IN IT, WHICH ALLOWS, UH, A BUILDING, UH, WHICH INCLUDES THREE STORIES, NON SPRINKLER, BUT WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE NUMBERS TO MATCH THE, THE I CODES.
SO THE NUMBER I WANT YOU TO FOCUS ON FOR THIS PARTICULAR, PARTICULAR
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CASE IS A 24,000, WHICH IS IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER OF THE TABLE.AND IF YOU, IF YOU GO TO THE DOCUMENT, UH, THE, UH, THERE'S ANOTHER DOCUMENT THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU IN CAMIL.
IT'S ON, IT'S ON YOUR, UH, SCREEN AS WELL.
THE ONE PAGER, THE THAT, UH, IT EXCLAIMS HOW THOSE, HOW WE ARRIVED AT THOSE NUMBERS.
OKAY? NOW LOOK AT THE, LOOK AT THE THREE LINES RIGHT ABOVE THE TABLE.
THIS ENTIRE STRUCTURE IS BASED UPON, UH, THE IDEA OF A SINGLE EXIT STAIR FOR THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
THE CONDITIONS ON HAVING THE SINGLE EXIT STAIR IS THAT THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANT LOAD OF EACH UNIT CANNOT EXCEED 10.
THERE CANNOT BE MORE, ANY MORE THAN FOUR UNITS PER STORY.
SO YOU TAKE THE 10 OCCUPANT LOADS AND AND, AND MULTIPLY BY FOUR UNITS.
THAT GIVES YOU 40 OCCUPANTS PER STORY.
THE 40 OCCUPANTS TIMES 200 SQUARE FEET PER OCCUPANT GIVES YOU THE 8,000.
THE 8,000 IS THE UPPER RIGHT NUMBER OF FACING THREE STREETS.
THE I CODES ALLOW YOU TO INCREASE THE AREA BASED ON NUMBER OF STORIES UP TO A MAXIMUM OF THREE.
SO YOU TAKE THE 8,000, WHICH IS A GIVEN FOR A TWO STORY BUILDING TO INCREASE FROM 8,000 TO 16,000.
YOU TAKE THE 8,000 TIMES THREE, THAT'S WHERE THE 24,000 COMES FROM.
SO AS LONG AS THE, THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS NO MORE THAN 24,000 SQUARE FEET, ALL OTHER THINGS, ALL OTHER CONDITIONS BEING EQUAL, THEN A ONE EXIT STAIR IS ALLOWED.
NOW, THE KEY DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT THIS IS TALKING ABOUT MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE BUILDING AREA.
THAT'S HOW MUCH THEY CAN BUILD ON THE SITE, PERIOD.
I WANT TO CONTRAST THAT THOUGH, WITH THE DEFINITION OF THE CONSOLIDATED DWELLING, WHICH GOES BACK TO, UH, THE OTHER DOCUMENT, CAMILLE, THE FIRST, VERY FIRST PLEA RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE.
AND, AND, AND THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO GO OVER THE DEFINITION,
THE BUILDING SHALL BE LIMITED TO 7,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS OF NON-STRIKER BUILDING FIRE AREA.
THE FALLS RIGHT THERE, THE TABLE WE JUST LOOKED AT, I WANNA MAKE THIS DISTINCTION.
MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE AREA IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF AREA THEY CAN BUILD IN THE BUILDING PERIOD BASED ON THE STREET FRONTAGE.
THIS DEFINITION SAYS THAT IF THEY WANT TO BUILD IT AS NON-SPRING WIDTH, THOUGH, IT HAS TO BE LIMITED TO 7,500 SQUARE FEET.
SO IF YOU EXCEED 7,500 SQUARE FEET AT ANY POINT, EVEN THOUGH THE OTHER TABLE ALLOWS YOU TO MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE 24,000, THEN THAT HAS TO BE SPRINKLED.
SO IN ORDER TO STAY WITHIN THE DEFINITION AND TO BE NON SPRINKLERED, THE NON SPRINKLER BUILDING FRYER AREA IS LIMITED TO 7,500.
THAT'S THE SAME DEFINITION WE USE IN THE IBC.
THAT'S ALSO IN THE, IN THE IRC.
UM, THAT SEEMS CONFUSING FOR DESIGNERS AND ARCHITECTS.
CAN WE JUST LOWER THE MAXIMUM AREA? I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE MATH IS COMING FROM.
WE JUST LOWER THAT TO 70 515,020 2000 HUNDRED.
AND THAT WAY THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALIGNED.
WELL, WE COULD, BUT SEE, THAT'S THE SAME PRINCIPLE THAT WE USE IN THE I IN THE IBC CODE.
WE HAVE THE SAME, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A SPECIAL TABLE IN THE IBC IN CHAPTER NINE OF THE SPRINKLERS THAT USES THOSE, THOSE SAME PRINCIPLE AND CONCEPTS.
SO IT'S NO DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE USE IN THE COMMERCIAL CODE.
WE'VE BEEN USING THIS CONCEPT SINCE THE 19 19 85 ACCURATE.
SO IT'S IN OUR CODES AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, SINCE IT'S NOT NEW.
THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO BE CONSOLIDATED RELATIVE, BUT RULES FOLLOW THE LATTER AND RIGHT, AND, AND ONE WAY TO LOOK AT THE ONE, ONE EXPLANATION I LIKE TO USE ON THIS IS THE FIRST TABLE THAT I REFERRED TO, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, USE THE 24,000 JUST AS, AS IT PLACED IN THE TABLE THAT SAYS YOU HOW MUCH YOU CAN, CAN BUILD, PERIOD.
NOW THE SECOND NUMBER THAT THE WAY IT'S USED IN THE IBC 7,500 TELLS YOU THINK OF IT AS AN OVERLAY.
THERE ARE NO INCREASES AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED.
SO YOU TAKE THE OVERLAY OF 7,500 AND YOU PLACE IT ON 24,000 AND EVERY 7,500 SQUARE FEET OF THAT 24,000.
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AND THE IBC HAS TO BE A FIREWALL SO THAT BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE END, THERE'S NO FLOOR AREA ON EITHER SIDE OF THE FIREWALL, EXTERIOR WALL EXCEEDING 7,500.THAT'S THE SAME PRINCIPLE THAT YOU USED HERE.
STEVEN, WHAT WERE YOU SUGGESTING? I DIDN'T FOLLOW.
JUST HAVING THE, THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE BUILDING AREA OR CONSOLIDATED DWELLING BE REDUCED FROM 8,000 7,500 SQUARE FEET.
SO THESE TWO TABLES ARE ALIGNED, BUT THE WAY DAVID EXPLAINED IS THAT THIS R 3 3, 3 4 0.11 IS KIND OF LIKE THE ORIGINAL TABLE.
THAT HAS BEEN IN THE IBC FOR SOME TIME.
AND WE ARE JUST THROWING OUR NEW, UH, LIKE REGULATIONS OR, UH, YOU KNOW, DEFINITION ON TOP OF THAT, SO THEY KNOW RIGHT.
MAKING THE SAME ALLOWANCE IN THERE, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE HAVE TO ENTERTAIN THE IDEA THAT THERE MAY BE SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO BUILD MORE THAN 7,500.
SO THIS TABLE WILL ALLOW THEM TO BUILD MORE THAN 75, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE TO SPRINKLER IT, THEY MAY WANT TO BUILD MORE THAN 7,500, BUT THE DEFINITION, IT'S FOR THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO STAY UNDER THE 75.
SO I WANTED TO, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS GREAT.
CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? YES.
UM, SO IT, IT'S FACING STREET.
SO I'M IN DALLAS, I HAVE AN ALLEY.
IS MY ALLEY CONSIDERED A STREET? NO, JUST THE STREET.
SO TO BE ON THREE STREETS, YOU'VE GOTTA BE POKING OUT THERE TO BE ON TWO STREETS, YOU GOTTA BE A CORNER, TYPICALLY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
YOUR ALLEY WOULD HAVE TO BE A 30 FOOT WIDE RIGHT OF WAY.
IS THAT CORRECT? BE CONSIDERATIVE STREET.
UH, THE, THE, ON, AT THE FOOTNOTE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE TABLE, IT SAYS THE FRONTAGE INCREASES OR ALLOWABLE.
A BUILDING HAS 25% OR MORE OF ITS RIM ON A PUBLIC WAY OR OPEN SPACE HAVING A MINIMUM WIDTH 20 FEET.
SO IF IT'S LESS THAN 20 FEET, DON'T, IT DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR THE INCREASE.
OKAY, WE, GOING BACK TO THE DEFINITION AGAIN.
THE CONSOLIDATED DWELLING DE LIMITED TO 7,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS IN NON SPRINKLER BUILDING AREA WITH FOUR DWELLING UNITS OR LESS PER STORY, ALL SERVED BY A SINGLE EXIT.
NOW THAT LAST RATE IS PUT IN THERE AS A, AS A RESULT OF THE LAST MEETING BECAUSE SOMEONE, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO, BUT SOMEONE MADE THE STATEMENT, WHAT ABOUT ON THE FIRST FLOOR? YOU, YOU COULD HAVE PERCEIVABLY MORE THAN FOUR UNITS.
AND SO THIS ADDRESSES THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE BECAUSE IT SAYS FOUR DWELLING UNITS ARE LESS PER STORY ALL SERVED BY ONE EXIT.
SO THE FIRST FLOOR, LET'S SAY YOU WANTED FIVE DWELLING UNITS, AS LONG AS YOU, THAT FIFTH DWELLING UNIT HAD ITS OWN SEPARATE EXIT, YOU COULD HAVE FIVE UNITS ON, ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
UH, FURTHERMORE, IT SAYS THE COMMON AREA OF THE BUILDING LIMITED TO THE ROOF, THE PUBLIC CORRIDOR EXIT STAIR, THE MALE AREA, A SERVICE ROOM AND FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEMS, AND IS PROVIDED TO ELEVATOR.
EACH UNIT MAY HAVE A GARAGE AND OCCUPIED ROOF INTER INTEGRAL TO THE UNIT.
UH, THEN IT SAYS, EXCEPT FOR THE INSTALLATION OF FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEMS THROUGH PENETRATION BETWEEN DWELLING UNITS AND NOT ALLOWED, THAT JUST GOES WITH THE, AS BORROWING THE IDEA FROM THE TOWNHOUSE, UH, IN THE IRC.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY THE AREA, UH, IN THE SPRINKLER REQUIREMENT.
NOW, THE REST OF THESE, I WILL JUST GO, UH, STARTING ON PAGE ONE ON THE SAME DOCUMENT.
I'LL JUST GO DOWN THE LIST HERE.
THE FIRST, THE ROMAN NU RUN ROMAN NUMERAL ONE ON PAGE, UH, ONE OF THE 9.3 DOCUMENTS, THOSE CHANGES IN CHAPTER 52 THAT ARE NECESSARY.
UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE IS THE PROPOSAL TO CHANGE IT FROM A ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLING CODE TO THE ONE TO EIGHT FAMILY DWELLING CODE.
UH, BELOW THERE, ITEM NUMBER TWO, THERE'S A DEFINITION THAT'S ALREADY IN CHAPTER 52 OF AN APARTMENT HOUSE OR MODIFYING THAT DEFINITION IS SAYING THAT, UH, THE APARTMENT HOUSE, THE EXISTING DEFINITION SAYS MEAN ANY MULTIPLE DWELLING UNIT, A PORTION THEREOF, NOT DEFINED AS A MULTIPLE BUILDING TOWNHOUSE.
AND WE'RE ADDING TO THAT ALSO NOT DEFINED AS A CONSOLIDATED DWELLING.
THAT'S, THAT WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED AN APARTMENT.
SO THAT'S JUST AN APPENDAGE ON THE CONSOLIDATED DWELLING DEFINITION.
IT JUST SAYS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, THE CONSOLIDATED DWELLING IS DEFINED.
AND THIS CHAPTER SHALL BE PERMITTED TO BE CONSTRUCTED IN
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ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER 50 57 RATHER THE 1 2 8 FAMILY DWELLING CODE OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE.AND IT SAYS, LAST SENTENCE STRUCTURES USING THESE PROVISIONS MUST COMPLY WITH ALL CONDITIONS OF A CONSOLIDATED DWELLING PROVISION, OR IT MUST COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 53, WHICH IS THE IGC.
SO AGAIN, THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE WOULD MEET THAT WE HAVE TO PAUSE.
OKAY? UH, SO THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE WOULD'VE TO HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE, OTHERWISE IT BECOMES AN IBC BUILDING.
OKAY, ROMAN TWO MOVES TO CHAPTER 53, WHICH IS THE IBC.
SO WE'RE, WE ARE REPEATING THAT SAME DEFINITION.
ITEM NUMBER TWO IS JUST PUTTING A INFORMATION, UH, UH, POINT IN THE CHAPTER THREE OF THE IBC WHERE THEY DEFINE THE R TWO OCCUPANCIES AND THE R THREE OCCUPANCIES.
THE ONLY THING WE'RE ADDING THERE IS AT THE END OF THAT PARTICULAR SECTION, WE'RE MAKING A DISTINCTION.
SO FOR ANYBODY USING OUR IBC AMENDMENTS TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THE CONSOLIDATED WILLING UNIT IS ANOTHER OPTION SEPARATE FROM THE NORMAL R TWO OCCUPANCIES.
AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE TWO, UH, SAME, UH, PARAGRAPH, SEPARATE FROM THE NORMAL R THREE OCCUPANCIES, PAGE THREE, UH, NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO THE ACTUAL CHAPTER 57, WHICH IS THE IRC.
THE DEFINITION THAT YOU SEE THERE ARE REPEATED THAT THE BUILDING SERVICE EQUIPMENT IS THE DEFINITION WE ALREADY HAVE IN 52, CONSOLIDATED, CONSOLIDATED DWELLING.
WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT COMMERCIAL DWELLING SITE, UH, UM, UM, I JUST ADDED CLARIFICATIONS ON THAT BECAUSE THAT, THAT DEFINITION ACTUALLY COMES FROM THE, FROM THE ZONING CODE.
SO THE CHANGE THERE, JUST FOR EMPHASIS THAT THIS IS A ZONING CODE DEFINITION, THIS HAS NO MATERIAL IMPACT ON THESE PROVISIONS.
ALSO, UH, IN ANY WAY, THIS IS A ZONING DEFINITION.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, I WANNA UNDERLINE THAT POINT HERE.
THIS, UH, THIS COMMERCIAL DWELLING SITE DEFINITION, AGAIN, DOES NOT IMPACT THIS PROPOSAL AT ALL.
THIS IS FOR MORE INFORMATION THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
UH, PAGE FOUR, THE, UH, DEFINITIONS, UH, THERE ARE BORROWED FROM THE IBC BECAUSE OF, AGAIN, THE HYBRID NATURE OF THIS PRODUCT INCLUDES CHARACTERISTICS OF THE IRC AND THE IBC.
SO THESE DEFINITIONS ARE BROUGHT OVER TO ACCOMMODATE THIS NEW PRODUCT, WHICH IS A HYBRID OF BOTH THE IRC AND THE IDC UH, PROVISIONS.
SAME THING ON PAGE FIVE, UH, ARE THESE DEFINITIONS.
AND THEN ON PAGE SIX, UH, ITEM FOUR, UH, ON THE TOP OF THE PAGE SOUND TRANSMISSION RATING, THAT'S ALREADY IN OUR AMENDMENTS OF THE IRC.
THE ONLY THING WE'RE ADDING THERE IS, IS WHAT YOU SEE UNDERLIES TO CAPTURE THIS NEW, UH, PROPOSED CONSOLIDATED WELLING.
SO THE STC RATINGS THAT I THINK JARED MENTIONED IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, THOSE ARE ALREADY IN OUR CURRENT, UH, IRC AMENDMENTS.
WE'RE JUST ADDING CONSOLIDATED, WILLING PHRASE, UH, PUT THAT OUT IN HERE.
NOW I WANNA GO DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, THE BACK TO THE TABLE AGAIN, AND TO DESCRIBE THIS.
AND THE NEXT SECTION, THIS PARTICULAR SECTION AGAIN, IS THE ONE THAT WE GOT THE IDEA FROM CANADA.
UH, WE TOOK THE PROVISIONS, UH, SOME OF THE IDEAS FROM THE PROPOSAL THAT WE GOT FROM, EXCUSE ME, UH, FROM A I A AND JUST PUT THESE IN SOME CLARITY.
UM, THE BILL CAN'T BE MORE THAN THREE STORIES, MAXIMUM 40 FEET IN BUILDING HEIGHT, MAXIMUM FOUR UNITS PER STORY.
UM, AND THE BUILDING AREA IS AS PER THIS TABLE NOW, THE R 3 34 0.1 0.1.
UH, THIS SECTION ALLOWS THE BUILDING TO BE IN EFFECT, TO BE BUILT LIKE A BUILDING THAT'S ONE HOUR CONSTRUCTION THROUGHOUT.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE NEW IDEA THAT WE GOT FROM CANADA.
CANADA ALLOWED THIS SAME PRODUCT AS LONG AS THE BUILDING HAS ONE HOUR CONSTRUCTION THROUGHOUT.
THIS IS AN OPTION FROM THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, WHICH YOU'RE GONNA SEE IN THE NEXT SECTION WHERE YOU SEE THE TWO HOUR SEPARATION BETWEEN ALL OF THE UNITS.
SO THERE ARE TWO BASIC WAYS A PERSON CAN BUILD THIS BUILDING.
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FROM MEMPHIS THAT HAS A TWO HOUR SEPARATION, FLOOR, CEILING, AND WALL BETWEEN EACH UNIT, EVERYTHING IS TWO HOURS, UH, WHICH IS R 3 3, 4 0.2, THE NEXT SECTION.BUT THE IDEA FROM THE CANADIAN CODE ALLOWS A SIMILAR TYPE OF BILLING WITH ONE HOUR THROUGHOUT.
SO THEY CAN DO TWO HOUR SEPARATION BETWEEN THE UNITS, OR THEY CAN DO IN THIS SECTION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
NOW, THE ONE HOUR SEPARATION, THE KEY THING TO REMEMBER, WHETHER IT'S ONE HOUR VERSUS TWO HOUR, ONCE YOU INTRODUCE A FIRE RESISTANT ASSEMBLY IN A BUILDING, EVERYTHING THAT SUPPORTS THAT ASSEMBLY HAS TO BE AN EQUAL RATING.
SO ONE HOUR WALLS AND FLOORS HAVE TO BE SUPPORTED BY ONE HOUR STRUCTURE.
TWO HOUR, UH, ASSEMBLIES HAVE TO BE SUPPORTED BY TWO HOUR TRUCK.
THAT HAS TO BE TAKEN ALL THE WAY DOWN.
SO, R 3, 3, 4, THAT ONE AGAIN, IS A ONE HOUR OPTION, ONE HOUR FIRE RESISTANT CONSTRUC, YOU CAN ALMOST THINK OF IT ALMOST LIKE A TYPE FIVE A BUILDING.
YOU CAN THINK OF, THINK OF IT IN IBC TERMS, UH, R 3 3, 4 0.2.
ON PAGE SEVEN, UH, OF THE DOCUMENT IS THE ONE THAT REQUIRES THE TWO HOURS.
IF YOU GO TO PAGE EIGHT, YOU'LL SEE AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE IT TALKS ABOUT FIRE SEPARATIONS OF TWO, NOT LESS THAN TWO HOURS.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO BASIC OPTIONS OF BUILDING ONE HOUR CONSTRUCTION THROUGHOUT, OR TWO HOUR, FOUR CEILING ASSEMBLY, TWO HOUR WALL BETWEEN ALL OF THE UNITS.
CONTINUE ON PAGE EIGHT, THE FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM STATES IN HERE.
NOW, THIS CONFUSED SOMEWHAT I THINK IN THE LAST MEETING, BUT LET ME EXPLAIN HOW CODES ARE WRITTEN.
NORMALLY THE WAY CODES, CODES ARE WRITTEN, CODE PROVISION STARTS OUT WITH, WITH WHAT'S CALLED A CHARGING PARAGRAPH, TALKS ABOUT THE CODE PROVISION ITSELF, AND THEN, UH, IT INCLUDES, UH, DETAILS AND EXCEPTIONS TO THOSE CHARGING PROVISIONS.
SO THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN IS WRITTEN IN THE POSITIVE SAYING A SPRINKLER SYSTEM SHALL BE INSTALLED.
HOWEVER, ONCE YOU GET TO THE EXCEPTION, IT SAYS THAT A SPRINKLER SYSTEM SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED AS LONG AS THE SET DWELLING DOESN'T EXCEED THREE STORIES, INCLUDING BASEMENTS AND MEETS EITHER OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT.
3 3 4 0.12 IS THE ONE HOUR RATED BUILDER.
3, 3, 4 0.2 IS THE TWO HOUR WALL RATED WITH THE TWO HOUR RATED WALL BUILDER.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THAT REFERS TO.
AND, AND YOU DON'T SEE THE DE, YOU DON'T SEE THE 7,500 BECAUSE IT'S 7,500 LIMITATION COMES FROM THE DEFINITION OF CONSOLIDATED DWELLING ITSELF, RIGHT? UH, AGAIN, ON PAGE EIGHT AT THE BOTTOM, UH, 3, 3 4 0.4 ON THE ALARM SYSTEM.
AND THE CHARGE PARAGRAPH SAYS THE ALARM SYSTEM HAS TO BE INSTALLED, BUT THEN YOU GET TO THE EXCEPTION SAYING, THE ALARM SYSTEM SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED FOR CONSOLIDATED DWELLING MEETING.
OKAY? FIRST CONDITION, THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS, SHARING THE COMMON MEANS OF EGRESS DOES NOT EXCEED FOUR.
NUMBER TWO, NO DWELLING UNITS ARE LOCATED MORE THAN ONE STORY ABOVE, OR ONE STORY BELOW THE LEVEL OF EXIT DISCHARGE.
AND NUMBER THREE, THE CALCULATED OCULAR LOAD OF EACH STORY DOES NOT EXCEED 40.
NOW, THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT FROM A FIRE DEPARTMENT STANDPOINT, BECAUSE REMEMBER WHAT I SAID IN THE BEGINNING.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE PRODUCT THAT WE HAVE TO APPROVE AS CODE OFFICIALS HAS TO BE, HAS, HAS TO STILL MEET THE FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY OBJECTIVES THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT IN THE BEGINNING.
SO THIS IS A TRADE OFF FROM THE NORMAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN A, IN THE IBC UNDER REGULAR MULTI-FAMILY, UH, PROVISIONS.
THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM IS NOT REQUIRED UNLESS THEY EXCEED 16 UNITS.
SO, SO REMEMBER IN THIS CASE, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT EIGHT UNITS.
ANOTHER PROVISION IN THE FIRE CODE SAYS THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM IS NOT REQUIRED UNLESS THE DWELLING UNIT IS LOCATED ABOVE THE SECOND STORY.
SO THIS PROVISION IS ACTUALLY A CONCESSION TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT REQUIRING SPRINKLERS ON ONE HAND, ON THE OTHER HAND, IT IS REQUIRING A FIRE ALARM SYSTEM IF THE NUMBER OF UNITS EXCEEDS FOUR, AND IF THE DWELLING UNITS ARE LOCATED EITHER ABOVE THE FIRST STORY OR BELOW THE FIRST STORAGE.
SO THIS IS A KEY FIRE DEPARTMENT, A CONCESSION TO THE, TO THE, UH,
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UH, TO THE FIRE CODE.SECTION TWO COMES RIGHT OUT OF THE FIRE CODE, ANOTHER EXCEPTION THAT SAYS A FIRE ALARM SYSTEM IS NOT REQUIRED.
EACH DWELLING UNIT IN THE BUILDING HAS A DIRECT ACCESS TO AN EXTERIOR EXIT LEADING TO GROUND LEVEL.
IT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY THAT THEY CAN AVOID THE ALARM SYSTEM IF THEY CHOOSE TO GO THAT ROUTE.
SO THAT'S IT FOR THE ALARM SYSTEM.
UH, THE NEXT SECTION AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE EIGHT IS THE MEANS OF EGRESS.
AND IT CONTINUES ON PAGE NINE, UH, BUT STARTING IN 3, 3, 4 0.5, IT SAYS ONE EXIT OR ONE EXIT OR ACCESS TO ONE EXIT MAY BE PROVIDED FROM A STORY WITHIN A CONSOLIDATED VOLUME MEET OF ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
AND WHAT IT SAYS, ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS NOTICES, THERE ARE A TOTAL OF 17 CONDITIONS THERE.
SO ITEMS ONE THROUGH 17 HAVE TO BE MET IN ORDER TO BE ALLOWED TO HAVE ONE EXIT OUT OF THIS STRUCTURE.
FOR THE FIRST ITEM ON PAGE TOP, PAGE NINE IS THE COMMON PATH OF EGRESS TRAVEL WILL NOT EXCEED
AND I TOOK THE, UH, I TOOK THE SUGGESTIONS FROM THE PAST MEETING.
THE ONE SAID THERE WAS, THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION BETWEEN EXIT ACCESS, TRAVEL DISTANCE, AND COMMON PATH OF TRAVEL DISTANCE.
THE MORE ACCURATE TERM IS COMMON PATH OF TRAVEL DISTANCE.
UM, THAT'S TALKING ABOUT THE MOST REMOTE POINT IN THE STRUCTURE, UH, TO A POINT WHERE THEY, WHERE THE
BASICALLY, HOW THE CODE, UH, TALKED FOR THAT, THE EXCEPTION IN THIS CASE, UH, THE PROPOSAL WILL ALLOW THE COMMON BATTERY EGRESS TRAVEL TO BE INCREASED AT 125 FEET IF THE BUILDING IS EQUIPPED WITH A SPRINKLER SYSTEM, EITHER A-N-F-P-A 13, OR NAPA 13 R SYSTEM THROUGHOUT.
NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM CALCULATOR I CAN GO TO EACH STORY CANNOT EXCEED 40.
WE WENT THROUGH THAT CALCULATION EARLIER.
UH, IN THE, IN THE EARLIER, UH, IN THE EARLIER DOCUMENT NUMBER THREE, EACH SLEEPING ROOM HAS TO HAVE ONE OPERABLE EMERGENCY ESCAPE AND RESCUE OPENING.
UH, IF A DWELLING UNIT IS BUILT, LIKE AN EFFICIENCY IN THAT ONE ROOM IS CONSIDERED A SLEEPING ROOM, THEREFORE, IT REQUIRES A, UH, EMERGENCY ESCAPE.
THE EXCEPTION HERE SAYS THAT IF THEY INSTALLED A NP 13 OR 13 YARD SYSTEM THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING, THEN NO EMERGENCY ESCAPE WINDOW OPEN IS REQUIRED.
NUMBER FOUR, A PUBLIC CORRIDOR OR VESTIBULE, UH, OF A MINIMUM ONE HOUR CONSTRUCTION IS REQUIRED IN A 20 MINUTE RADIO DOOR THAT, UH, IT SERVE, SERVE THE DWELLING UNITS ON EACH FLOOR.
IF THEY PROVIDE 'EM THIS, AGAIN, THIS, THIS PROPOSAL DOES NOT REQUIRE ELEVATORS, BUT IF THEY PROVIDE THEM, IT HAS TO OPEN A LOBBY THAT COMPLY WITH, UH, I BBC SEVEN 13.4.
THAT'S BASICALLY, UH, IT IS THE SAME RATING AS A QUARTER, ONE HOUR RED QUARTER, ONE HOUR READY ELEVATOR, LOBBY, OR PRESSURIZE.
THE, UH, THE SHAFT IS, UH, NUMBER SIX, UH, EXTERIOR STAIRWAY OR INTERIOR STAIRWAY SHALL BE PROVIDED IN MULTI-STORY BUILDINGS.
NUMBER SEVEN, THE INTERIOR STAIRWELL STAIRWAY HAS TO BE PROVIDED WITH A RATING OF ONE HOUR, WITH A ONE HOUR FIRE PROTECTED DOOR INSTALLED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FPA 80 NUMBER EIGHT DOOR, SERVING THE INTERIOR EXIT STAIRWAYS SWINGING DIRECTION OF EGRESS, AS WELL AS THE DOOR THAT LEADS FROM THE STAIR TO THE OUTSIDE SWINGING DIRECTION OF EGRESS.
AT THIS, THIS WAS SUGGESTED, AND FOR MY LAST MEETING, THE BUILDING STAIRWAY SERVES, UH, UP TO TWO UNITS.
THE WIDTH OF THE STAIRS ALLOWED TO BE 36 INCHES, WHICH IS CURRENTLY WHAT THE CODE ALLOWS, BUT WHEN YOU GO FROM THREE TO EIGHT UNITS TO STAIR WIDTH, IT REQUIRED TO BE 44 INCHES, WHICH IS AGAIN, THE STANDARD IN THE, UH, IN THE IVY SEAT.
NUMBER 10, THE DWELLING LIMITS CAN OPEN DIRECTLY INTO AN INTERIOR EXIT STAIRWAY.
ALTHOUGH THE DWELLING UNIT DOORS CAN OPEN DIRECTLY ONTO AN EXTERIOR STAIRWAY OF 11, OUR OPENINGS WITHIN 10 FEET OF AN EXTERIOR EXIT STAIR SERVES A BUILDING, UH, WITH MORE THAN TWO UNITS SHALL BE OF WATER HOUR FIRE PROTECTION RATING.
THAT WOULD SAY A SUGGESTION IN THE LAST MEETING ABOUT ACCEPTING THE EXTERIOR EXIT STAIR FROM THESE REQUIREMENTS IF IT SERVED ONLY TWO UNITS, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX.
SO THAT'S WHY THE WORDING IS IN HERE AT THE END OF THAT SET THAT SAYS THAT THAT REQUIREMENT
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FOR OPENINGS TO BE PROTECTED AT THE EXTERIOR STAIR APPLY, ONLY HIT THE BUILDING, HAS MORE THAN TWO UNITS IN THERE.SO THAT WE, WE GOT THAT SUGGESTION FROM THE LAST MEETING.
UH, THE REST OF THESE ARE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
UM, TO SKIP DOWN TO, UH, KIND OF SELF-EXPLANATORY, THE, THE ONE I THINK IS NOTEWORTHY IS NUMBER 17.
IT SAYS, EACH CONSOLIDATED DWELLING BUILDING SHALL BE SEPARATED FROM ANOTHER CONSOLIDATED DWELLING UNIT BY FIRE SEPARATION DISTANCE OF 30 FEET.
NOW, LET ME EXPLAIN WHERE THAT COMES FROM.
OUR CHARGE, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT FROM THE DIRECTOR, IS THAT THIS, THIS, UH, THIS, THIS CONCEPT OF MENTAL HOUSING IS WHAT THEY WERE GETTING AT AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS PROPOSED THAT I'VE SEEN, ALL THE LITERATURE THAT I'VE SEEN, WE'RE DEALING WITH THAT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THE, THE, THE BOUNDARIES OF THE, OF THIS PROPOSAL ARE DEALING WITH THAT UNIT.
NOW, I KNOW FROM BEING AROUND HERE, AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE, THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF CREATIVE PEOPLE IN DALLAS.
THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO, UH, WITH SOME OTHER IDEAS AND WANT TO DO SOME DIFFERENT THINGS OTHER THAN WHAT'S IN THIS DOCUMENT.
BUT WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON, FOCUSING ON HERE IS JUST GETTING THIS STEP ONE FIRST AND THEN A SEPARATE CONVERSATION.
WE'LL DEAL WITH WHAT I CALL THIS COOKIE CUTTER APPROACH, WHERE LET'S SAY IT IS CONCEIVABLE THAT YOU CAN TAKE THIS ONE STRUCTURE LIKE A COOKIE CUTTER IN A SITE, LARGE ENOUGH, YOU COULD DUPLICATE THAT SAME UNIT ON, ON, ON THE ENTIRE SITE.
THIS PROVISION IS SAYING THAT IF YOU DO THAT, THOSE BUILDINGS HAVE TO BE SEPARATED 30 FEET FROM ONE ANOTHER.
WHY 30 FEET? BECAUSE 30 FEET IS THE DISTANCE IN THE IBC, WHICH IT ALLOWS UNLIMITED OPENINGS, UNPROTECTED OPENINGS, AND ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL, UH, NON-RATED WALL CONSTRUCTION.
SO IT GIVES THE MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY OF THOSE BUILDINGS AS LONG AS THEY KEEP THE, THAT NEED, THAT MINIMUM DISTANCE.
UH, LAST SECTION JUST DEALS WITH THE FIRE SMOKE PROTECTION FEATURES.
THESE, THIS IS KIND OF GETTING INTO THE WEEDS A BIT, BUT I THINK THE BIGGEST TWO BIGGEST ITEMS OUT OF HERE, UH, BASED ON LAST MEETING WE HAD, UH, THE, IT CALLS THE EXTERIOR WALL PROTECTION, JUST LIKE THE CODE NORMALLY DOES.
THE CLOSER YOU PLACE THESE BUILDINGS TO AN EXTERIOR WALL, THE RATE THE, THE, THE CODE REQUIRES RATED WALLS AND RATED OPENINGS.
AND IF YOU GET IT TOO CLOSE TO THE, UH, PROPERTY LINE, NO OPENINGS AT ALL WITH RATED WALLS.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE EXTERIOR WALL SECTION REFERS TO THE WALL, SEPARATING THE DWELLING UNIT.
YOU GOT THE DOUBLE WALL, WHICH YOU TALKED ABOUT THE LAST MEETING, THAT'S TWO ONE HOUR WALLS.
AND THE, I THINK THE GREAT IDEA ABOUT THE TWO SEPARATE ONE HOUR WALLS SEPARATING EACH UNIT IS THAT, UH, WITH THE AIRSPACE BETWEEN THE TWO ONE HOUR WALLS, IT ALLOWS SOMEONE IN UNIT A, LET'S SAY, TO PUT, LET'S SAY, PUT NEW RECEPTACLES IN THEIR WALL, AND THEN THEY'RE NOT DISTURBING SEPARATE ONE HOUR WALL THAT'S IN THIS OTHER UNIT.
AND LIKEWISE, ON THE FLIP SIDE, IF THEY'RE HANGING PICTURES OR NAILING THINGS, THEN YOU'VE GOT A SEPARATE WALL WITH THAT AIRSPACE BUFFER AND THEN SEPARATE, UH, ONE HOUR WALL OF THE OTHER UNIT.
SO YOU'VE GOT THAT, THAT KIND OF ISOLATION, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE IN ONE BUILDING.
THE OTHER OPTION, UH, IS THE COMMON WALL WITH A TWO HOUR FIRE RESISTANT SHAFT LINER.
THIS TYPICALLY OCCURS IN A, IN A, UH, ENLARGED COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
THE DIFFERENCE, IT IS THE SAME PRINCIPLE AS A DOUBLE WALL, EXCEPT THAT IN THE, IN THE TWO HOUR FIRE RESISTANT SHAFT LINER WALL, THE SHAFT LINER IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT PARTITION IS PROVIDE, IS PROVIDING THE TWO HOUR RATING.
SO THE FRAMING ON EACH SIDE OF THE SHAFT LINER IS NOT RATED.
AND, AND AGAIN, THE SAME PRINCIPLES APPLY.
THIS PERSON ON THIS UNIT A CAN PUT IN THEIR RECEPTACLE WITHOUT DISTURBING UNIT B.
THEY CAN NAIL THEIR PICTURES IN ON THIS WALL WITHOUT DISTURBING THIS UNIT.
AND VICE VERSA, IT'S THE SAME PRINCIPLE.
IT'S TWO WAYS OF ACHIEVE AT THE SAME END.
UH, LAST PAGE, UM, AND I'M LOOKING AT SPECIFICALLY R 3 3, 4 0.6, 0.2 0.3, AND R 3, 3, 4, 6 4.
IT'S JUST, UH, SECTIONS, UH, SIMILAR TO THE IBC SECTIONS THAT SAYS THAT BETWEEN EACH UNIT THERE HAS TO BE COMPLETE, UH, FIRE RESISTANT CONTINUITY VERTICALLY IN TERMS OF THE WALL AND HORIZONTALLY IN TERMS OF
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THE FOUR CEILING ASSEMBLY HAS TO BE A CONTINUOUS SEPARATION BETWEEN EACH UNIT THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING.AND THE LAST OF THE, UH, LAST, UH, UH, OF THE PROVISIONS, UH, BEGINNING WITH R 3 3, 4 0.7 ACCESSIBILITY.
THESE ARE THE INITIAL PROVISIONS THAT APPLY TO THE UNIT, AGAIN, WITH THIS HYBRID, HYBRID, UH, UH, UH, MODEL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
ACCESSIBILITY, AS WAS MENTIONED IN THE LAST MEETING.
UH, WHENEVER YOU HAVE FOUR UNITS IN A, IN A SINGLE STRUCTURE, THE, UH, FAIR HOUSING PROVISIONS APPLY PERIOD.
I MEAN, WE'VE ALL, WE'VE ENFORCE OUR HOUSING BREACHES IN DALLAS SINCE LIKE ROUGHLY 1989 THINK I BELIEVE.
UH, FIRE ALARMS IS JUST A REFERENCE TO THE FIRE ALARM SECTION WE'RE GOING OVER THERE.
THE FIRE ACCESS ROAD, OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE, THAT'S THE REQUIREMENTS.
THE HYBRID REQUIREMENT IS, STANDARD ENERGY REQUIREMENT IS GIVEN THERE.
THE GREEN CONSTRUCTION CODE APPLIES THE EV CHARGING, UH, FACILITIES REQUIRED.
AND NOTICE ON HERE ON THAT SECOND SENTENCE, UNDER R 3 3, 4 POINT 13, WE TALK, WE SAY THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT IS THE EV CAPABLE FACILITIES.
SO THAT MEANS THEY'RE NOT PUTTING IN A FULL OF FOOD EV READY, UH, FACILITY.
ALL, ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A, A SLOT AT THE BRAKE AT THE, AT THE, AT THE ELECTRICAL PANEL.
AND, AND TO ALLOW THEM, LET'S SAY ALLOW A, A HOMEOWNER TO, TO FULLY UPGRADE TO AN EV READY CHARGING STATION.
SO YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN A FULLY CAPABLE, DO THE CHARGING STATION, BUT ONLY TO MAKE THE POSITION TO BOX OF THE PANEL TO ALLOW FOR SOMEBODY TO FURTHER INSTALL THAT IF THEY WANT TO A LITTLE BIT LATER.
AND THEN THE LAST SECTION, THE, THE PROFESSIONAL SEAL WAS JUST A REFERENCE TO OUR CHAPTER 52, WHICH WE REFERENCED THE STATE LAW ON THAT.
AND UH, I THINK DEREK PROVIDED US WITH SOME INFORMATION LAST TIME.
AND WHAT HE, AT THE MEETING THE LAST TIME WAS IDENTICAL TO WHAT'S REFERENCED IN CHAPTER 52, WHICH IS THAT THE STATE LAW ON ENGINEERING PRACTICE ACT AND THE STATE LAW AND ARCHITECTURAL PRACTICE ACT, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT OUR 3 3, 4 POINT 14, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
UH, I I HAVE ONE QUESTION RIGHT NOW.
SO FIRST, UH, STEVEN ELLA, I WANT TO GO BACK TO NUMBER 17 ON, GUESS THIS IS, IT'S ON PAGE NINE.
THE EACH CONSOLIDATED BUILDING MUST BE SEPARATED BY A DISTANCE OF 30 FEET.
UM, 30 FEET SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY LARGE DISTANCE TO BETWEEN BUILDINGS.
WHAT WAS THE, UH, THE ORIGIN OF THAT NUMBER AS 30 FEET AND NOT SOMETHING LIKE, UH, 20 OR 15 FEET OR 10 FEET.
THE REASON FOR THAT IS, AGAIN, UH, THAT'S THE DISTANCE, WHICH AGAIN, THE IDEA WAS TO KEEP IT SIMPLE FOR THE IRC, THAT THAT'S THE SIMPLEST, THAT'S REALLY THE SIMPLEST, UH, WAY OF PUTTING IT.
THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE THE, THE ARCHITECT OR THE BUILDER TO DO ANYTHING AS LONG AS THEY COMPLY WITH THAT.
IF YOU REDUCE IT TO LESS THAN 30 FEET, THEN WE ACTUALLY NEED TO INCLUDE MORE INFORMATION IN HERE.
THAT'S THE CLOSER YOU GET THOSE BUILDINGS TOGETHER, THEN IT BEGINS TO IMPACT EACH BUILDING IN TERMS OF THE FIRE RATING OF THE WALL FIRE RATING OF THE OPENING OR WHERE THE OPENINGS ALLOWED IN THE BUILDING AT ALL.
SO IT, IT, IT JUST GENERATES A WHOLE SEPARATE PROCESS.
IF WE REDUCE THIS TO LESS THAN 30 FEET, THAT TABLE, THAT TABLE ALLOWS EVERYTHING, UM, WELL AS PART OF THAT TABLE.
SO, SO THE TABLES THAT YOU FIRST TALKED ABOUT WITH THE DIFFERENT AREAS WE LOOKED AT, THAT'S I-B-C-I-B-C CRITERIA.
SO NOW WE PUT ONE OF THOSE TABLES IN HERE UNDER CONSOLIDATED DWELLING.
SO I, I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU WERE SAYING THERE, BUT THEN IT COMES INTO HERE, CAN I HAVE A CONSOLIDATED SWELLING WITH TWO STORIES AND 13,000 FEET? YOU CAN, YES.
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OKAY.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THAT MAKES SENSE.
'CAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT PAINTED AT FIRST, RIGHT? NO, THIS ALMOST FELT LIKE THIS WAS ALLOWING YOU TO GET AWAY FROM THAT BECAUSE OF THE, I CONSOLIDATED WELLING UP TO THREE OVER YOUR WALL.
SO NOW MY MIND SHIFTS IF YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO, BUT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
YOU'VE GOT PERCENT OPENINGS, 30%, 20%.
SO IF YOU CAN BUILDING APARTMENT BUILDING, GET THESE FUNDING WINDOWS.
OH, BUT THAT 30 PEAK, THERE'S NO FIRING ENVIRONMENTS.
SO YOU CAN HAVE LIKE REALLY BIG WINDOWS.
THEY'RE 30 FEET AWAY INSTEAD OF LIKE, IF YOU GET REALLY CLOSE NOW YOU HAVE LIKE A LITTLE FOUR PIN AND THAT'S IT.
MR. CHARLES, ANY COMMENTS? NEVER.
UM, THROUGH, I DON'T SEE HIS, YEAH, WE NEED HIS CAMERA.
HIS CAMERA ON ARTURO, ARE YOU STILL THERE? I SEE HIS, I SEE HE IS IN, HE NEEDS TO TURN THE CAMERA ON, DOESN'T HE? OKAY.
THERE'S A LOT OF COMMENTS IN THE CHAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT BEEN TRACKING THOSE FROM CINDY AND BRIAN.
THE QUESTION, DO WE NEED ARTURO'S VIDEO FOR THE ENTIRE TIME OR JUST WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO, WE NEED HIM MAKE FOR HIM.
OTHERWISE, IT'S LIKE THEY'RE QUIET WITH Y'ALL.
UH, LET, LET THE, LET THE, LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT WE'RE, YEAH.
CAN WE TAKE, TAKE A FIVE MINUTE, UH, RESET? YEAH.
WE'LL, WE'LL BE BACK IN, WE'LL BE BACK AT ONE O'CLOCK'S 10 TILL 11 MINUTES.
WELL, IF, IF, IF HE SAYS WHO'S THERE NOW, WE COULD, WOULD BE LIKELY GIVE SOMEBODY JUST LEFT.
NO, I, STEVEN JUST LEFT AND CHARLES IS AN AWFUL, WE SAID WE'D BACK IT.
SO I, I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS TO GO THROUGH.
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WE CAN START OFF ONCE YOU TURNED THE CAMERA ON.I, YEAH, THERE WAS A COUPLE QUESTIONS IN THE CHAT.
YOU WANT ME TO READ THEM? OKAY.
YEAH, LET'S GO TO THE CHAT BEFORE WE, I THINK THEY'LL OVERLAP.
LOOKING AT BRIAN, TONY ASKS, IS THE 30 FEET DISTANCE ON THE SAME LOT ONLY OR FROM PROPERTY LINES ALSO THE 30 FOOT DISTANCE? OH, THE 30 FEET DISTANCE IS ON THE SAME, IT'S ON THE SAME LOT THE OTHER DISTANCES AS FAR AS PROPERTY LINE, REMEMBER, THAT'S, THAT'S PREFERRED TO, IN THE EARLIER PORTION OF THE, UH, OF THE DOCUMENTS ON PAGE, UH, PAGE 10, OUR 3, 3 4 0.6 0.1 EXTERIOR WALL THAT DEALS WITH THE, UH, BUILDING, IN OTHER WORDS, A SINGLE BUILDING ON A LOT BY ITSELF, WILL D WILL AS, AS IT GETS CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE, WILL DEAL WITH THAT INTEGRATION.
BUT IF MULTIPLE BUILDINGS OF THIS TYPE PLACED ON THE SAME LOT, THAT 30 FEET FIVE BETWEEN BUILDINGS COMMENTS ALSO THAT WOULD EFFECT, THAT WOULD EFFECTIVELY PROHIBIT HAVING TWO BUILDINGS IN MOST SMALL SITES.
WE HAVE DEVELOPERS DEALING WITH THIS ON SMALL PROJECTS RIGHT NOW.
WELL, MY RESPONSE TO THAT IS, AGAIN, BASED ON THE ON ON ON THE, ON THE CHARGING CONDITIONS THAT I WAS GIVEN, WE
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WERE GIVEN INITIALLY.THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND AS I STATED BEFORE, THE, THE TOPIC OF EXPANDING THIS BEYOND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, I THINK THAT'S A SEPARATE CONVERSATION THAT WE CAN HAVE LATER.
BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE'RE BEING CHARGED WITH IS TO GET THIS LIMITED UNIT ON THESE SMALL SITES.
I AGREE WITH THE, I AGREE WITH THE COMMENT, BUT THAT WAS BY DESIGN.
ANOTHER STATEMENT IS, UH, CHAIR, IF I CAN REAL QUICK, UM, IF THESE QUESTIONS ARE FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS ONLINE, THEY CAN ASK THEM LIKE THEY CAN JUST ASK THOSE QUESTIONS IF THEY'RE FROM THE PUBLIC.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING DAVID HAS TO ANSWER UNLESS YOU GUYS WANT HIM TO, LIKE THE PUBLIC HAVE THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
AND THIS IS SORT OF FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS.
YEAH, BRIAN, TONY IS WHO PROBABLY, I MEAN BRIAN, TONY REPRESENTS THE DALLAS HOUSING COALITION.
I WOULD LIKE, I POINT OUT ONE THING BASED ON, ON, ON THE, ON THE UH, UH, EMAIL THAT I, THAT I WAS COPIED ON FROM CHARLES A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO.
I THINK HE HAS TO LEAVE AT ONE 30.
SO WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA DO, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO DO THIS.
THERE'S JUST A COUPLE STATEMENTS.
SHOULD I READ THE STATEMENTS TOO OR DO YOU GUYS JUST WANT THE QUESTIONS? DAVID? I ACTUALLY HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME.
I'M GOOD UNTIL, UM, UNTIL ABOUT THREE.
ARE WE GONNA NEED TO GO PUMP, MOVE OUR TRUCKS AND PUMP THE MAIL? I'M GONNA GET INTO NUMBER FOUR, SO WE DON'T NEED TO ADDRESS THAT ONE YET.
FOR THE ONE THAT STARTS WITH NUMBER FOUR.
THERE'S REALLY NO, THERE'S NO QUESTIONS.
BUT IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I THINK JARED HAD SOME QUESTION.
UM, STEVEN, DID YOU WANNA GET YOUR QUESTION THEN? I'LL START.
OH, I JUST, MINE WAS ABOUT THE 30 FEET SEPARATION.
THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE I I HAD.
UM, SO JUST AS ALL IN ALL, I'M GOOD WITH WHAT'S WRITTEN.
UM, BUT I HAVE SOME, SOME QUESTIONS AND ONE OR TWO COMMENTS, UH, IF I'M MISUNDERSTANDING IT.
UM, SO I MADE ALL OF MY NOTES ON THE COPY FROM FRIDAY.
I NOTICED THERE'S A FEW UPDATES IN THE COPY FROM TODAY.
SO IF I, IF I MISS SOMETHING OR MISSPEAK, JUST CORRECT ME.
UM, MY, MY HEAD'S INTO THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT.
UM, SO STARTING ON PAGE ONE, IN THE DEFINITION OF CONSOLIDATED DWELLING, IT MENTIONS COMMON AREAS ARE LIMITED TO THE ROOF THERE, PUBLIC CORRIDOR, EXCESS STA IF PROVIDED.
UM, SOMEONE AT THE, I SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED A MAIL ROOM.
IF, IF THE MAIL SLOTS ARE IN THE CORRIDOR OR OFF THE CORRIDOR IN A SEPARATE ROOM, ARE WE ALLOWING THAT? DO WE, IT'S KIND OF A TWOFOLD QUESTION.
ARE WE ALLOWING MAIL ROOMS IN THOSE LOCATIONS? IT SAYS MAIL AREA NOW.
UM, AND THIS, THE DEFINITION OF THIS CONSOLIDATED DWELLING IS WRITTEN AROUND A SINGLE EXIT.
UM, IF THERE IS MORE THAN ONE EXIT, THERE'S TWO TWO OR MORES OF EGRESS, DOES THAT TRIGGER ANYTHING OR WE'RE JUST SAYING YOU'RE ABOVE AND BEYOND THE MINIMUM? THERE IS NO MINIMUM.
GO BACK TO THE, GO BACK TO THE PAUSE REAL QUICK GUYS.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF ARTURO HAD A, A SHORT TIMELINE AS WELL.
YEAH, HE DIDN'T SAY I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER.
SAY ARTURO, CAN YOU TURN YOUR CAMERA BACK ON AND LET US KNOW IF YOU HAVE A TIME COMMITMENT? IS THIS ARTURO'S FIRST MEETING? NO, I THINK IT'S HIS FIRST, BUT HE WAS HERE IN PERSON.
OTHER MEETING? OKAY, THERE HE IS.
UM, JUST ASKING THE QUESTION ABOUT IF YOU GO FROM A SINGLE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESS ADDRESSED IT TWO, DID THAT CHANGE ANYTHING? EXCUSE
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ME.WELL, THE, THE, IT'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT QUESTION THAN, THAN WHAT I ANTICIPATED.
THE GENERAL RESPONSE IS, IS AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE ONE WHERE WE TALK ABOUT, UH, WHAT BOTTOM OF PAGE ONE AND CONTINUATION OF PAGE TWO SAYS, UH, INSTRUCTIONS, YOU RELEASE PROVISION
OR THEY GO TO CHAPTER 53, WHICH IS THE I-B-C-I-I GUESS CLEAR, WHAT I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY IS, IF YOU HAVE A CONSOLIDATED DWELLING WITH TWO NEEDS OF EGRESS RATHER THAN A SINGLE, YOU'RE STILL CONSOLIDATE.
YOU CAN STILL BE A CONSOLIDATED DWELLING.
I GUESS FROM THE STANDPOINT IS YOU ARE EXCEEDING THESE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
SO YOU CAN ALWAYS EXCEED THE CODE REQUIREMENT.
BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW FOR A LARGER BUILDING OR PRODUCTION FIRE RATINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING FROM A
THERE'S NO CONCESSIONS FOR OPERATING MORE EGRESS.
ALL I WANNA CLARIFY NO CONCESSIONS.
WELL, IN, IN SOME OF THE AI MEETINGS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, OKAY, WELL IF YOU DO A SINGLE NEEDS OF EGRESS, YOU NEED THESE REQUIREMENTS.
IF YOU HAVE TWO OR MORE, YOU CAN RELAX YOUR REQUIREMENTS.
I WOULDN'T SAY THAT I WOULDN'T, WE'RE NOT GONNA RELAX ANYTHING.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS UNDERSTANDING.
JUST, UM, JUST THE SECTION 33, 34 0.1 CONSOLIDATED DWELLINGS, UP TO THREE STORIES, THAT SECTION AND THE NEXT SECTION 3 34 0.2.
CAN WE, CAN WE ADD A DESCRIPTOR OR SOMETHING SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THOSE TWO SECTIONS ARE DIFFERENT? WHAT, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, 0.1 TALK IS REALLY TALKING ABOUT ONE HOUR FOR CONSTRUCTION, 0.2 IS TALKING ABOUT TWO HOUR FOR CONSTRUCTION.
SO WE COULD SAY ONE HOUR, TWO HOUR FOR, WE COULD JUST CALL 'EM TYPE A, TYPE B.
JUST WHAT WHATEVER YOU THINK MAKES SENSE.
I JUST THINK WE DON'T WANT TWO SECTIONS WITH THE EXACT SAME TITLE.
SO THE TABLE AND FRIDAY'S VERSION IS UPDATED TO WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US NOW, CORRECT? YES.
SO GO BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
CONSOLIDATED DWELLING UP THE STREET STORIES AND IT SAID CONSOLIDATED DWELLING UP.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A REPEAT AS WELL.
SO WHAT WOULD WE REVISE IT TO? WELL, I SHOULD EXACT WORDING, BUT WHAT HE, WHAT HE'S REFERRING TO IS, UH, ON 3, 3, 4 0.1, YOU SAID YOU WOULD HAVE SOMETHING LIKE CONSOLIDATED DWELLING UP TO THREE STORIES AND ONE HOUR FOR RESISTANT CONSTRUCTION.
3, 3 4 0.2 SAYING WORDING CONSOLIDATED, DWELLING UP TO THREE STORIES, TWO HOUR, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YEAH, I THOUGHT IT WAS THE SAME SECTION REPEATING ITSELF.
SO THE NEW THE NEW TABLE ARE THE ALLOWABLE AREAS WHEN SPRINKLED WELL, THAT'S NOT A FAIR STATEMENT EITHER, BUT I THINK WE CLARIFIED IT.
YOU CANNOT NOT DO NONS SPRINKLED BUILDING AND EXCEED 7,500 SQUARE FEET.
QUESTION IS, SO THIS SAYS FOR A SINGLE STORY FACING ONE STREET, IT'S LIMITED TO 5,333 SQUARE FEET.
ARE WE TELLING PEOPLE THAT YOU CANNOT BUILD A 7,500 SQUARE FOOT AND THAT IF YOU ONLY ARE BUILDING ONE STORY ON A SINGLE BASIS STREET? I GET THAT THOSE NUMBERS NEED TO GO TO 7,500.
THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING.
THAT'S, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S GONNA TAKE, WELL, THE INTENT WAS OKAY, THERE'S ANOTHER, THERE'S ANOTHER SHEET IN FRONT OF YOU THAT, OKAY.
UM, AND THAT'S FOR THE PRODI THREE? YES.
SO AS I EXPLAINED BEFORE, LET'S START WITH THE 8,000, WHICH IS THE UPPER RIGHT OF VOL TABLE, THE 8,000, WE DERIVED IT FROM THE, THE, UH, ACTUAL LOW FACTOR OF 200 WORKING THROUGH THE MULTIPLICATION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
AND SO, AGAIN, TO GET IT TO MULTIPLE STORIES, WE DID 8,000 TIMES TWO AND 8,000 TIMES THREE.
NOW, HORIZONTALLY, MOVING FROM THAT COLUMN TO THE LEFT OF THE, OF THE, WHAT I DID WAS TOOK THIS SECTION ON THE IBC, WHICH HAS THE EQUATIONS FOR AREA MODIFICATIONS.
IT INCLUDES THE RELIABLE AREA AND THE FRONT, THE FRONTAGE CALCULATION ON THERE, BECAUSE I TOOK THOSE EQUATIONS WITH
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THAT NUMBER AND WORKED THE FACTORS.SO FROM 8,000, WHAT FROM SOLVE FOR X BASICALLY, AND I COULD OUTPUT 5,333 FACING ONE YARD WITH, WITH 25% OF THE PERIMETER BUILDING FACING THE STREET.
UM, I I JUST NOTICED THAT ON, YOU KNOW, THE 5,000 NUMBER AND THE 6,000 NUMBER ARE SMALLER THAN 7,500.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW WE INTENTIONALLY WANT TO LIMIT THE SIZE OF A SINGLE STORY BUILDING.
WELL, OKAY, NOW THAT'S IN PRINCIPLE, THAT'S NO DIFFERENT FROM THE IBC BECAUSE IN THE IBC, AGAIN, 7,500 IS A DALLAS, UH, DALLAS INTRODUCED PROVISION IN THE EIGHTIES, BUT IN THE IBC AND I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T GIVE YOU THIS COPY.
THE IBC HAS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT NUMBER AS WELL, AND IT'S NOT 7,500, IT'S LESS THAN 7,500.
NOW THE, THE NUMBER IN THE TABLE HERE IS LESS THAN WHAT THE IBC SHOWED, BUT THE IBC DOES NOT GIVE YOU, YOU CAN'T, YOU DON'T START OUT WITH 7,500 IN THE REGULAR IBC AS WELL.
SO THE PRINCIPLE IS SORT DIFFERENT AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN OPEN THE IBC TO CHAPTER FIVE AND LOOK UNDER THE R TWO FIVE B PROVISION.
I THINK THAT NUMBER MAY BE LIKE, I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLOSE.
YOU LOOK UNDER R TWO, UH, UNS SPRINKLER, UH, I THINK IT ADDS R TO NS UH, I THINK IT MAY BE NS SOMETHING THERE.
AND ACTUALLY I THINK I I, I MAY HAVE USED THE 2000 CODE PAYABLE SINCE THE 2000 WAS THE ONE THAT ALLOWED A NONS SPRINKLED MULTIFAMILY 7,000 NON-SPRING.
SO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BUILD A SINGLE STORY CONSOLIDATED UNIT WITHOUT A FIRE SPRINKLER FACING ONE STREET, ARE WE SAYING THEY'RE ONLY LIMITED TO 5,300? CURRENTLY? YES.
NOW IF WE, IF WE WANT TO ENTERTAIN THE SAME NUMBER THAT'S IN THE IBC, WE CAN DO THAT, BUT IT'S GOING TO, IT'S GONNA RIPPLE THROUGHOUT THE TABLE AND WE, WE'LL HAVE TO DO, DO THE REVISION OVER THERE.
I I'M NOT GONNA PROPOSE A REVISION.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT'S HERE.
UH, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT ON PAGE NINE, NUMBER NINE, THE STAIRWAYS, THE STAIRWAYS SERVING UP TWO UNITS, SO HAVE A WIDTH, NOT LESS THAN, UH, THREE FEET AND STAIRWAY SERVING THREE TO EIGHT UNITS SHALL HAVE A WIDTH, NOT LESS THAN 44 INCHES.
UM, WHAT WAS THE, UH, REASONING BEHIND THE, THE EIGHT INCH INCREASE STAIRWAY WIDTH? OKAY, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST OF NOT GIVEN TO THE, THE, TO THE RULES AS THEY ARE CURRENTLY IN THE IRC, THE SHARED WIDTH IS 36 INCHES AND THE IBC IS 44 INCHES AND, AND IT COULD BE HIGHER DEPENDING ON
SO WE'RE JUST TAKING THE IBC MINIMUM, UM, WITH ACCESS LIFT.
UM, WELL, IN THE GENERAL, IN GENERAL TRAVEL, YEAH, CALL IT EXIT IS A 44 INCH MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR THE TRAVEL FROM ANY SPACE OUT OF THE BUILDING.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHEN WE MET WITH THEM, WERE CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING A STRETCHER TO RESCUE PEOPLE.
UM, THEY SAID THEY HAD SOMETHING WIDER THAN 36.
THEY REALLY WOULD'VE LIKED SOMETHING CLOSER TO 48, BUT THEY'RE GOOD WITH 44.
THEY JUST SAID THEY CAN GET A STRETCHER UP THERE RATHER THAN CARRYING SOMEONE OKAY.
UNDER THEIR KNEES AND BEHIND THEIR SHOULDERS.
UM, SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING UNDER 3 34, THAT SAME PAGE, PAGE SIX, PAGE SIX AND PAGE SEVEN, LET'S SEE IF THERE, UM, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SECTION THAT CONCERNS ONE HOUR, NOT TWO HOUR UNDER THAT HE TALKS ABOUT LOAD BEARING WALKS.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEEDING THE FIRE DISTANCE RATINGS NOT LESS THAN REQUIRED BY THE SUPPORTED ASSEMBLY.
SO IF THERE'S AN INTERIOR BEARING WALL THAT WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO BE FIRE RATED FOR, UH, OCCUPANCY REASONS, WE'RE GONNA SAY IT NEEDS TO BE FIRE RATINGS TO SUPPORT THE FIRE RATED CONSTRUCTION ABOVE.
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A WALL THAT WITHIN A DWELLING UNIT, IS AN OPENING IN THAT WALL GONNA BE REQUIRED TO BERATED? I THINK THE ANSWER IS NO.FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT'S A BEDROOM WALL, WE'RE NOT GONNA RATE THE BEDROOM DOOR BECAUSE IT'S AN FIRE RATED INSTRUCTION.
WE'RE JUST PROTECTING THE STRUCTURE ITSELF INSTEAD FRAMING THE, THE INTENTION HERE IS TO, UH, THE INTENTION HERE, NUMBER ONE, IS TO PROVIDE THE ONE HOUR SEPARATION BETWEEN UNITS, START WITH PERIOD
SO YOU GOT AN INTERIOR PARTITION THAT THE BEDROOM AND NO, THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO BE RATED.
NOW WILL SAY ON HERE THAT, UM, WELL, I I THINK YOUR QUESTION WAS ABOUT OPENING PROTECTION.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ASKING FOR.
THE, THE, THE PHRASE FIRE RESISTANCE.
FIRE RESISTANCE RATING IS A, IS THE TERM IS USED BY THE IBC THAT NORMALLY REFERS TO THE ASSEMBLY ITSELF BY PROTECTION RATING FIRST TO OPENINGS.
SO YOU COULD HAVE AN INTERIOR LOAD DURING THOUGH IT WOULD NEED TO BE SHEET AS A ONE HOUR RATED.
WELL, ESPECIALLY IN THIS CASE, IF IT SUPPORTS THAT HORIZONTAL, UH, UH, ONE HOUR SORT, YES.
SO, OKAY, YOU JUST SAID IT DIDN'T SO WELL THE WALLET'S RED, BUT THE OPENING YES, THE OPENING.
UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA MAKE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE ONE HOUR AND THE TWO HOUR SECTION.
THE ONE HOUR C MENTIONS THAT ROOF ASSEMBLIES STILL HAVE A ONE HOUR FIRE RESISTANCE RATING WHEN YOU GET TO THE TWO HOUR THAT IS REMOVED.
SECTION C, YOU KNOW, ONE HOUR HAS A B, CD LISTED TWO HOUR ONLY HAS A B, C.
I DON'T, I THINK WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IF WE DO TWO HOUR FLOOR FOUR CEILING CONSTRUCTION, IT'S SAYING WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A RATED ATTIC ROOF ASSEMBLING.
I DUNNO IF THAT'S INTENTIONAL.
ON, ON THE ONE HOUR SECTION, AGAIN, YOU'RE SAYING C YEAH, UNDER THE ONE HOUR C IS FOR ROOF ASSEMBLIES, D IS LOW BEARING WALLS WHEN YOU GO TO TWO HOURS, C IS LOW BEARING WALLS AND THERE IS ROOF ASSEMBLIES AND SKI.
MAYBE YOU DIDN'T NEED THE ROOF ON
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UH, WELL ON, ON IN.
IF THERE'S NOTHING, EVERYTHING FROM THE GROUND AND UP TO THAT TOP UNIT WOULD FALL WITHIN THE RATING REQUIREMENT.
BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL BOOTH ITSELF, UH, IN, IN YOUR FIVE A BUILDING, AND THAT IS A, IS A RATED BOOTH REQUIREMENT.
UH, I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS, I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT ON THE TWO HOUR CONSTRUCTION, WE WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT TWO HOURS THROUGHOUT.
RIGHT? FIVE ONE HOUR THROUGHOUT IS A STANDARD CONCEPT IN THE IBC, BUT THERE IS NO SIMILAR TWO HOUR THROUGHOUT.
UH, SO I THINK THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 22 SECONDS.
SO WE'RE NOT CALLING FOR, IN THE TWO HOUR CONSTRUCTION, WE'RE NOT CALLING FOR A TWO HOUR RULE.
THE CASE, I GUESS I WOULD SUGGEST WE STILL EAT THE ROOF ASSEMBLY IN THERE STATING ONE HOUR.
AND IN WHICH, IN WHAT AREA? WHICH, UH, IN THE, IN THE TWO HOUR.
SO THE, THE PROPOSED CHANGE WOULD BE, SO, UH, INSERT A, UH, INSERT C FOR ROOFS ONE HOUR AND SHIFT SHIFT C SHIFT C THE WAY.
OKAY, NEXT QUESTION IS GONNA BE ON PAGE PAGE EIGHT.
IT STATES THAT ONE, THAT MAY, MAY BE PROVIDED.
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THAT'S ON OUR, IN THE COMMON PATH.IT IS TALKING ABOUT, IT'S NUMBER ONE ON THE TOP.
SO THE, THE MAXIMUM COMMON PATH OF EGOS TRAVEL DISTANCE SHALL NOT EXCEED 50 FEET BASED ON THE DEFINITION OF COMMON PATH.
THAT'S WHERE THE OCCUPANT GETS FROM.
YOU KNOW, THE BACK OF A ROOM GETS FROM, YOU KNOW, EST CORNER IN A ROOM TO THE POINT OF MAKING DECISION TO GO TO TWO NEEDS OF EGRESS.
BUT IF WE'RE IN A BUILDING WITH ONLY ONE NEEDS OF EGRESS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO INTERPRET THAT? I, IT'S, I THINK IT'S THE SAME.
I MEAN, REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU ARE IN THAT BUILDING, YOU START FROM THAT REMOTE CORNER, FROM THROUGH THE UNIT OUT THE LIMIT EXIT DOOR, EXIT ACCESS DOOR, AND HOWEVER LONG THE CORRIDOR OR THE VESTIBULE IS FROM THAT POINT DOWN.
AND THEN THEY CAN TRAVEL IN TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
THE, THE CONCERN, I'M GONNA, SOMEONE CORRECT ME IF I'M THINKING ABOUT WRONG, BUT WHAT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY MEAN IS YOU'RE ON THE THIRD FLOOR.
IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A, LET'S JUST SAY EVEN A TWO STORY BUILDING, YOU GOTTA GET IT FROM YOUR UNIT TO THE FRONT DOOR, AND THEN OUT OF THE BUILDING, IF YOU'RE DOING A SINGLE MEANS OF EGRESS, YOU'VE GOTTA GET FROM WITHIN YOUR UNIT OUTTA THE BUILDING AND 50 FEET, WHICH IS NOT FOR MOST DESIGNS, IT'S NOT CHEAP.
UM, UNDER, ON THAT MARKET BOARD OR YOU HAVE TO FIREPROOF THAT'S, YEAH, IT'S JUST THAT MAKE THAT, OKAY.
I JUST WELL, IT'S NOT A SMALL BUILDING.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, SO LET ME EXPLAIN NOW AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRAINTS IN TERMS OF TIME AND, AND EVERYTHING THAT, THAT WE WERE PLACED UNDER, UH, WHAT WE HAD TO RESORT TO IS WHAT HAS BEEN, UH, TIME TESTED AND PROVEN SOURCES, UH, FOR THESE CONDITIONS AND, AND WHERE THIS CAME, WHERE THIS COMES FROM.
IT'S THE LAST TIME THE IBC ALLOWED NON-SPRING WITH MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS WITH THIS SAME PROVISION IN THERE.
IT ALLOWED 50 FEET, IT, IT ALLOWED A SINGLE MEANS OF EGRESS FOR, FOR DWELLING UNITS.
FOUR, NO MORE THAN FOUR DWELLING UNITS PER STORY.
AND THEN IT ALLOWED YOU TO YOU TO INCREASE THAT IF YOU SPRINKLED.
SO THAT COMES FROM THE LAST TIME IBC ALLOWED THAT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE STUDY THAT SHOWS, AND THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT.
I, I STRUGGLED TO CHANGE IT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO REDUCE THE LIFE SAFETY, BUT I I WANTED TO DISCUSS IT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTOOD WHAT WE WERE, IT'S VERY CONSTRAINED, DESIGNED.
IT'S VERY LIMITED, VERY FACTOR OF SAFETY AS I ENGINEERS LIKE THIS SAID.
YEAH, BECAUSE REMEMBER IN THE CURRENT IBC, IT HAS A LARGER NUMBER THAN THE 50 FEET.
BUT AGAIN, THE, THE CURRENT IBC AS PUBLISHED IS THE BASE ASSUMPTION IS THAT THAT BUILDING IS SPRINKLED THROUGHOUT IBC DOES NOT ALLOW NON SPRINKLED MULTIFAMILY ANY, ANYWHERE ELSE, ANY RESIDENTIAL DUAL, UH, UNITS AT ALL SPRINKLING WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN.
UH, WHILE JARED'S DRAWING THAT I WANNA ASK ABOUT ON PAGE NINE, NUMBER NUMBER 10.
UM, SO THIS IS DWELLING UNIT DOOR SHALL NOT OPEN DIRECTLY INTO AN INTERIOR EXIT STAIRWAY.
UM, JUST A LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON WHY, UH, A DOOR CAN OPEN RIGHT INTO A STAIRWAY.
UH, AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN INTERIOR EXIT AND AN EXTERIOR.
WELL, THE, THAT'S, THAT'S STANDARD.
THAT'S STANDARD CODE LANGUAGE.
THE DOORS, THE DWELLING UNIT, THE DOOR FROM THE DWELLING UNIT TYPICALLY HAS TO OPEN INTO A CORRIDOR AND NO OTHER, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A A A ONE HOUR PROTECTED INTERIOR STAIRWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY AN EXITING CODE AND NO OTHER OPENINGS ARE ALLOWED IN THERE.
WHAT WAS THE OTHER? UH, I JUST, THE, THE SECOND PART OF IT, DWELLING UNIT DOORS ARE PERMITTED TO OPEN DIRECTLY ONTO AN EXTERIOR EXIT STAIRWAY.
EXTERIOR EXIT STAIRWAY IS A DIFFERENT CREATURE.
SO THEY, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
THAT ONE NORMALLY REQUIRES OPENING PROTECTION WITHIN 10 FEET OF THE EXTERIOR EXIT STAIRWAY.
UNLESS, UNLESS THERE'S NO MORE THAN TWO UNITS IN THE BUILDING BASED ON THIS PROPOSAL.
BUT YEAH, THEY COULD FREELY OPEN UNTIL THE EXTERIOR OF THE STAIRWAY, JUST NOT BECAUSE THE INTERIOR, BECAUSE THE EXTERIOR EXIT, THE STAIRWAY, UH, I DIDN'T MAKE THIS CLEAR EARLIER.
IT SERVED ONLY THAT UNIT, THE INTERIOR EXIT STAIRWAY, AND THIS CASE SERVES ALL FOUR UNITS.
YOU HAVE FOUR UNITS FLOWING INTO THIS CORRIDOR, GOING TO THIS ONE STAIRWAY.
SO YOU DON'T WANT A LOT OF MIXING
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GOING ON THERE.IN ADDITION TO THAT, THAT ONE STAIRWAY, THE ONLY STAIR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN USE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE USING THAT STAIR FOR THEIR FIREFIGHTING PURPOSES AND MIXING WITH THE OCCUP, THEY'RE GOING IN ONE DIRECTION AND FIRE DEPARTMENT'S GOING OPPOSITE DIRECT.
SO WHAT I DREW THERE WAS, UM, THE TRAVEL DISTANCE GOING FROM, SAY THE BACK OF A CLOSET THROUGH THE CLOSET, THROUGH THE BATHROOM, THROUGH THE BEDROOM, THROUGH THE LIVING ROOM TO THE FRONT DOOR, THAT'S DESIGNATED AS A TO THE TOP OF THE STAIRS, DESIGNATED AS B TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING DOES MAKE IT SEAT IS THE COMMON PATH OF TRAVEL FROM THE BACK OF THE CLOSET TO C THAT THE 50 FEET, I'VE NEVER MEASURED THAT FROM A CLOSET.
I MEAN, NORMALLY, NORMALLY OCCUPIED ROOM.
SO WOULD THAT BE A, LIKE THE ENTRY DOOR OR YOU WOULD TALK, GO TO THE OUTSIDE? I WOULD USE A BEDROOM.
WHAT WHAT, WHAT WAS THIS? BATHROOM? UH, BATHROOM IS A BATHROOMS AND CLOSETS I THINK ARE NON INHABITABLE SPACES.
I WOULD NORMALLY USE THEM, NORMALLY I COULD OCCUPY A HABITABLE ROOM.
SO IN THE BEDROOM IT MIGHT BE CLOSE.
AND, AND THEN YOU WOULD GET THEM ALL THE WAY TO, IN THIS CASE, C YES.
IT, IT, IT'S GONNA BE A DESIGN PROBLEM FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT IT, I THINK IT'S OKAY.
UM, NEXT ONE, AND THIS GETS INTO WHAT STEVE WAS TALK, ASKING ABOUT THE STAIRS.
UM, WHEN I READ THIS, WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT INTERIOR STAIRS, IT SOUNDS LIKE AN INTERIOR STAIRS IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A DOOR.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO SAY.
I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IF YOU PROVIDE A DOOR REQUIREMENTS, BUT, UH, LET SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT ON PAGE NINE.
SO REALLY NUMBER SEVEN, NUMBER SEVEN ON PAGE NINE, IT JUST SAYS AN INTERIOR EXIT STAIRWAY SHALL BE PROVIDED WITH A FIRE RESISTIVE GRADING OF ONE HOUR AND A ONE HOUR FIRE PROTECTIVE DOOR.
WHAT IF YOU HAVE AN INTERIOR EXIT THERE THAT'S NOT CLOSED? YEAH.
SO LIKE YOU WOULD OPEN UP, YOU'D WALK UP THE STAIRS AND THEN THERE'D BE LIKE CORRIDOR.
BUT THE WAY IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CODE IS RIGHT NOW, LIKE THERE WOULD'VE TO BE A DOORWAY AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS AND THE BOTTOM, OR JUST THE BOTTOM? WELL, WELL THE BOTTOM, WELL, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GONNA BE ONE AT THE BOTTOM, BUT LIKE THE BOTTOM, THE BOTTOM, WELL, IT DEPENDS ON, THEY MAY WANT THAT BOTTOM ONE AT, AT, AT THE EXIT DISCHARGE FOR SECURITY REASONS.
NOW, I, I KIND OF STRUGGLED WITH THAT ONE.
I ADMITTEDLY STRUGGLED WITH THAT ONE MYSELF BECAUSE REMEMBER, BUT REMEMBER THOUGH, THIS IS A HYBRID SOLUTION.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE REGULAR SINGLE FAMILY RULES, SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX, YOU GOT THE MULTIFAMILY RULES.
NOW, IF YOU GO TO GO TO THE IVC, UM, AND YOU STICK WITH THE MULTI, I MEAN THE SINGLE FAMILY RULES, THEN WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE IS NO INTERIOR STER CLOSURE REQUIRED SINGLE FAMILY, THE SINGLE FAMILY RULES ONLY WHEN YOU GET TO THE IVC THAT COULD GET INTO THAT.
SO THERE'S ONE EXCEPTION IN, IN, UH, IN IVC THAT ALLOWS A A TWO STORY OPENING.
SO IN THIS CASE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 1, 2, 3 FLOORS, BUT YOU'VE GOT MULTIPLE, UH, TENANTS OR OWNERS IN THIS BUILDING.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO WEIGH A TRADE OFF HERE.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S A LEGITIMATE DEBATE, I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
BUT, UH, THE TRADE OFF GIVEN HERE IS THAT, UH, AGAIN, BASED ON THE, UM, CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY FIRE IS THAT AS, AS IT AS IT IS WRITTEN, UM, WHEN A PERSON COMES OUTTA ONE OF THOSE FOUR UNITS, THEY COME OUT INTO A ONE HOUR RATED CORRIDOR, THEY HEAD TOWARD THE STAIR, AND YES, THEY'RE, THEY, THEY'RE THE RIGHT DOOR AND THEY GO INTO A STEREO, LIKE A PROTECTED EN CLOSURE, JUST LIKE IN A COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
ONCE THEY GET IN THAT ENCLOSURE, THEY ARE PROTECTED FROM THAT POINT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO DISCHARGE.
SO THAT'S THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN TOO.
WHAT I'M JUST, WHAT I'M USED TO DESIGNING THESE TYPES OF BUILDINGS AS AN ARCHITECT, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT UNDER THE IBC, IS WE'LL DO A STAIR, AN ENCLOSED STAIR ONLY WHEN REQUIRED TO MEET THE ADDRESS OR WHEN WE HIT FOUR STORIES.
UM, SO THE ARGUMENT WOULD BE IF I,
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IF I DID A TWO OR THREE STORY BUILDING, IF I COULD GET OUT OF A NONS SPRINKLED BUILDING IN 50 FEET GOING FROM BEDROOM TO C IN THAT DIAGRAM, OR IF I SPRINKLE THE BUILDING, I CAN GET FROM THE BEDROOM TO SEE IN 125 FEET, I WOULD NOT DO AN IN, I WOULD NOT DO AN ENCLOSED INTERIOR STAIR WITH INTERIOR DOORS.IT WOULD BE AN OPEN INTERIOR STAIR.
THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, IT DOESN'T ALLOW ME FOR THAT FLEXIBILITY.
I JUST WANTED TO, I JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT TO BE SURE THAT THAT'S INTENTIONAL.
IF, IF I CAN GET SOMEONE OUT OF A TWO STORY BUILDING AND 50 FEET NON SPRINKLED OR 1 25 FEET SPRINKLED, DO I NEED TO ENCLOSE THE INTERIORS THERE? YEAH, THAT DEPENDS.
I THINK THAT AGAIN, THE, THE, THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN IS TO ALSO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT'S CONCERN.
AGAIN, THERE'S SOME TRADE OFF HAPPENING TRYING TO MAKE THIS WORK AS A HYBRID APPROACH.
THE TRADE OFF, UH, I DON'T SEE, WELL SEE CHIEF FREEMAN, UH, I I, THE, THE, THE COMMENT THAT I WOULD, I WOULD EXPECT FROM A FIRE DEPARTMENT STANDPOINT IS THAT THEY, THEY WOULD PREFER A PROTECTED STAIR TO WORK WITH THEM AS THEY'RE TRYING TO RESCUE OR FIGHT THE FIRE.
BUT THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ARGUMENT.
AND THEN STILL, SO IN DEFINING INTERFERING STAIRS, STAIR, WE DO A LOT OF BUILDINGS LIKE GARDEN WALKUP APARTMENTS WHERE THE CORRIDOR, IT'S NOT ENCLOSED AND CONDITION, IT'S, IT'S WHAT WE WOULD CALL A BREEZEWAY.
AND THAT DIAGRAM THAT WE DREW, THAT'S A OPEN AIR BREEZEWAY WITH A STAIR.
AND THAT DOOR THAT I MR IN IS, DOES NOT EXIST.
IS THAT MEANING OUR DEFINITION OF AN EXTERIOR STAIR BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT ENCLOSED AND IT'S OPEN TO THE ELEMENTS.
THAT'S, THERE IS A, THERE IS A DEFINITION FOR EXTERIOR THERE THAT'S ACTIVE BORROWED FROM THE IBC AND IT, IT, IT ADDRESSES THAT.
AND IT WAS ODD WHEN THAT, WHEN THAT WAS INTRODUCED INTO THE CODE YEARS AGO.
A BOOK ON PAGE FOUR, UH, PAGE FOUR SAYS AN EXIT COMPONENT OF SERVICE WEEK ONE OR MORE MADE OF EGRESS DESIGN REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS REQUIRED
SO THERE WAS A DEBATE WHEN THAT WAS FIRST PUT IN THE CODE ABOUT SHOULD WE REQUIRE THAT CHAIR TO BE OPEN ON MULTIPLE SIDES.
BUT THE WAY IT RESULTED, IT ONLY HAS TO BE OPEN ON ONE SIDE.
SO IF, IF THIS STAIR IS, IS OPEN HERE, BECAUSE THIS IS INTERIOR, RIGHT? SO THIS STAIR IS OPEN HERE AND THIS IS A YARD SPACE, AND THAT WOULD QUALIFY, UH, AS AN EXTERIOR CENTER EXTERIOR, BUT AS SOON AS YOU ADDED THE FRONT DOOR, YEAH, IT WOULD BE FOLLOWED BY AS AN INTERIOR STAIR.
AND THEN YOU GOTTA BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A DOOR AT THE TOP LANDING AS WELL TO MEET THE DEFINITION OF AN INTERIOR.
I DON'T LIKE THAT I HAVE TO ADD THE INTERIOR STAIR DOOR JUST BECAUSE I HAD AN EXTERIOR STA DOOR.
BUT IF, IF THAT'S WHAT WE, IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT, THAT MAKES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAPPY, I'M NOT GONNA WANNA DO AGAINST IT.
IT'S JUST A STRINGENT, AGAIN, WHEN I
L LET, LET ME LET, LET NEED TO DIGRESS.
LET ME ASK THIS, BECAUSE THIS WAS AN IDEA THAT I WAS CIRCULATING IN MY HEAD WHEN I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS, UH, EARLIER.
WHAT IF IN THAT, ON THAT PARTICULAR PROVISION, IF, IF THERE IS A, UH, AN EXCEPTION THAT THAT, UH, OR LET'S SAY JUST LIKE IN THE IBC FOUR TWO STORY.
SO IT'S TWO, IF IT'S MAXIMUM TWO STORIES, THEN UH, YOU HAVE THE OPENNESS YOU YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE HERE.
SO ON PAGE, UH, PAGE NINE, NUMBER SEVEN, NINE NUMBER THREE.
HOW CLOSE ARE WE? NUMBER LIKE THE QUESTIONS, UH, TO THE QUESTIONS HERE.
PUT SOME POINTS YOU NEED TO TAKE FIVE MINUTE BREAK AGAIN, THREE MINUTES AT LEAST.
I MEAN, I THINK AT THIS I DON'T ALREADY HAVE, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
HOW MANY, HOW ARE YOU? I ONLY HAVE, I ONLY HAVE THREE.
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IN THE SAME BOAT.WELL, I THINK I HAVE LIKE 10 MINUTES.
YOU SEE OFFICERS, I'M NOT TELLING.
YEAH, THEY'RE, AND THEY ARE HOUSED IN THIS BUILDING.
SO YOU
UM, I, I MAY ABLE WOULD ADD A TIME FROM, DID YOU DO PAY BY PHONE OR DID YOU SPLIT COINS IN? I PUT, NO, I USED MY CREDIT CARD.
I MEAN, I HAVE, UH, PAY BY LIKE MOBILE USUALLY ADD TIME STRAIGHT.
YEAH, I'M GONNA TAKE FIVE MINUTES.
BUT TILL FUNNY TILL, UH, AT 1 38.
UM, SO WE JUST WRAPPED UP THE STAIR CONVERSATION.
WOULD YOU REPEAT ON THAT NOTE, UH, WHAT, HOW YOU'RE GOING TO, UM, ADJUST THAT SO THAT WHEN WE VOTE ON IT, PEOPLE WILL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? SO BASICALLY NOTE, UH, THREE R 3 3, 4 0.5, NOTE SEVEN.
THE, UH, NUMBER SEVEN JUST SAYS THE INTERIOR OF THE STAIRWAY SHALL BE PROVIDED WITH A FIRE RATING OF ONE HOUR WITH A ONE HOUR FIRE PROTECTED DOOR INSTALLED IN ACCORDANCE WITH
THE, UH, WHAT I'VE WRITTEN HERE IS THERE, JUST LIKE IN OF TWO PROVISIONS ABOVE, THERE WILL BE AN EXCEPTION.
IT SAYS BILLINGS, UH, NOT RE UH, RATED FOR NOT REQUIRED IN BILLINGS WITH A MAXIMUM TWO STORES.
NEXT
NUMBER FOUR ALLOWS A 20 MINUTE RATED DOOR IN THE CORRIDOR.
I THINK LAST MEETING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REALLY WANTED 60 MINUTES.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS, I I WASN'T SURE IF THAT WAS A MISTAKE ABOUT, BECAUSE THE DISTINCTION THAT THE IBC MAKES IN A REGULAR MULTIFAMILY WELLING IS A 20 MINUTE DOOR.
IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT.
SO I, I WASN'T SURE WHERE THAT 60 CAME FROM.
THE 60 MINUTE NORMALLY COMES FROM A FIRE BARRIER, FOR EXAMPLE, IN A EXTERIOR ENCLOSURE, IT HAS TO BE ONE HOUR THE SAME AS THE WALL RING.
SO AGAIN, I WASN'T CERTAIN WHERE THAT WAS COMING FROM.
I MEAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT 60 MINUTE DOOR IN THERE, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S UP TO YOU.
BUT I, IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT WIDER AIR MENTIONED LAST NIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE IN ALL OF.
AND IF WE'RE ALLOWING 20 MINUTES, DO WE NEED TO PUT IN THE EXCEPTION FOR 45 MINUTES WHEN YOU'RE TO SO CLOSE TO US, EXIT SECOND.
OH IS IT, I I BELIEVE THERE'S A REQUIREMENT THAT IF A DOOR IS WITHIN 10 FEET OF AN EXIT STAIR OF AN INTERIOR EXIT STAIR DOOR, IT'S REQUIRED TO BE 45 MINUTES OR 20 MINUTES.
BASICALLY UNITS, THE DOOR DOOR GETS TOO CLOSE TO AN INTERIOR STAIR CLOSED RIGHT TO STAIR.
THERE, THERE, THERE'S THE EX, THERE IS THE EXTERIOR EXIT STAIR THAT REQUIRES OPENING ONE DOOR OR WINDOW WITHIN 10 FEET OF THAT STAIR TO BE PROTECTED.
BECAUSE IF YOU GOT PEOPLE EXITING FROM UP ABOVE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON ON ON THOSE UNIT AND YOU'RE GOING DOWN THE STAIRWAY.
SO THEY WANT THOSE OPENING TO PROTECT SOME MORE BED MAY BE IN THE KITCHEN, THE FIRE START THEIR IMPACT EXIT AS THEY'RE GOING DOWN THE STAIR.
BUT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE.
UM, SO I WOULD PROPOSE WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP THE 20 MINUTE THAT'S WRITTEN AS LONG AS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S OKAY WITH IT.
DO WE, UH, CHIEF FREEMAN, ARE YOU, UH, SEE CHIEF BILL? I DON'T SEE CHIEF BILL UNDER, THERE WE GO.
CHIEF FREEMAN, UH, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? ON THE QUARTER RATE, ON THE QUARTER RATED QUARTER, THE IBC REQUIRES ONLY A 20 MINUTE DOOR.
WAS THERE, UH, UH, THERE IS A, THERE IS A COMMENT HERE THAT THE 60 MINUTE RATED DOOR IN THE QUARTER, WHAT'S COMING FROM YOU ALL? IS THAT, IS THAT ACCURATE? IS THAT WHAT YOU ALL ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE, THAT PROPOSAL WAS MADE EARLY ON IN THE DISCUSSIONS AND I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHICH MEETING WHERE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AND ASKED IF THAT WOULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE TRADE OFF FOR LACK OF SPRINKLERS AND THE LACK
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OF THE SECOND STAIRWELL.AND SO UNFORTUNATELY CHIEF BILL IS NOT HERE TO, TO DIRECTLY ADDRESS THAT.
SO I'M GONNA STILL STAND WITH HIS ORIGINAL REQUEST, BUT IF THAT IS A STICKING POINT FOR THIS ORDINANCE TO MOVE FORWARD, THEN WE WILL ACCEPT THE WISHES OF THE BOARD.
WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR WISH MIGHT KNOW THIS TECHNICAL QUESTION.
YOU PUT A, OR CAN YOU PUT A PEEPHOLE IN A ONE HOUR RATED DOOR THAT UP AND I THINK THERE'S A MINIMUM, UM, A OPENING THAT THAT PARTICULAR
YOU CAN HAVE A, YOU CAN HAVE A, A WINDOW IN, IN A RATED DOOR UP TO SO MANY INCHES, SQUARE INCHES.
I THINK IT MAY BE ONE, I WOULD THINK THE PEOPLE WOULD BE, UM, UH, HIGHER RATED THAN THE GLASS.
ALTHOUGH I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE NEVER, I'VE HEARD OF A FIRE RATED PEOPLE.
YEAH, I WOULD SUGGEST WE DON'T, I WOULD SUGGEST WE ACCEPT IT AS 20 MINUTE KNOWING THAT THAT MEETS THE IBC.
BUT IF IN CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN NOW AND CITY COUNCIL REVIEW, IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT EXPRESSES TO YOU THAT IF THAT NEEDS TO BE INCREASED, I THINK OUR BOARD DOES NOT NEED TO REVIEW IF IT WAS JUST INCREASING BY SAFETY.
UM, AND THEN NUMBER 11 ON THE SAME SECTION AND THAT GETS INTO OPENINGS WITHIN 10 FEET OF AN EXTERIOR STAIR.
UM, PROBABLY ONE HOUR FIRE PROTECTION.
UM, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO IN, YOU KNOW, IN MY EXAMPLE RIGHT THERE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF THERE'S A WINDOW IN EITHER OF THOSE UNITS THAT'S WITHIN 10 FEET OF THAT EXTERIOR THERE, EVEN IF THAT BE RIGHT.
SO IF WE HAVE EXTERIOR DOOR THERE, WE HAVE A WINDOW THERE, WINDOW THERE.
WHAT, WHAT IS OUR 10 FEET? IS IT MEASURED THE DOORS HERE? YOU MEASURE ALONG THE EXTERIOR WALL.
AND THEN IF THE DOOR DOES MOVE HERE, I ASSUME WE'RE MEASURING THIS DIRECTION IN THAT DIRECTION.
UM, ARE THESE ARE REQUIRED TO BE GRADED BECAUSE THEY'RE IN ART EVEN IF THOUGH IT'S IN A WALL THAT'S NOT REQUIRED TO BE GRADED? YES.
SO THE LOCATION OF THIS DOOR IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT, BUT THAT ART DECK COULD ELIMINATE THAT DOOR, DO AN OPEN BREEZEWAY AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.
WELL, IF IT BY DEFINITION AN EXTERIOR EGG
I MEAN, YOU, IT'S GONNA BE TOUGH TO BE YEAH, BUT AGAIN, REMEMBER THE END OF THAT SENTENCE THOUGH.
THE, THE, THE END OF THE SENTENCE.
THIS, THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO A BUILDING OR ONLY, I MEAN, A BUILDING WITH ONLY TWO UNITS IN THERE BECAUSE JUST LIKE YOU SAID THE LAST TIME, THAT'S, THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX.
IT'S ONLY APPLIED WHEN YOU HAVE BUILDING HAS THREE OR MORE UNITS IN THE BUILDING.
AND, AND THIS IS REGARDLESS OF SPRING PLAN TOO? YES.
AND SECTION 3 34 6 2 1 HAS TO DO WITH THE DOUBLE WALL.
UM, I DID SEE THAT THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE, BUT JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, UH, DOUBLE WALLS AND COMMON WALLS.
ARE THEY BOTH GOING TO NEED TO EXTEND TO THE EXTERIOR WALL AND UP TO THE ROOF DECK? YES.
UM, AND THAT ACTUALLY, THAT REFERENCE IS ACTUALLY IN R THREE 3.6 0.2 WHEN IT, IT TALKS ABOUT WALLS SEPARATING THOSE UNITS AND
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SECTION, UH, SHELL COMPLY WITH 3 0 2 0.2 0.3 THROUGH 3 0 2 0.2 0.5.TURN IN THE I RRC TO THOSE SECTION.
IT TALKS ABOUT EXTENSIONS HORIZONTALLY AND VERTICALLY.
I JUST, THAT THAT WAS MENTIONED AS BEING NEEDED BY THE A I A GROUP AS WELL AS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS COVERED.
UM, SO EVEN THOUGH SECTION 3 34 6 2 2 FOR COMMONWEALTH, THAT IS ESSENTIALLY REQUIRING A FIREWALL, BUT WE'RE NOT CALLING IT A FIREWALL VERY SIMILAR TO A FIREWALL.
WELL, IT IS, IT IS A, IT'S A FIRE RATED ASSEMBLY IN WHICH THE RATING IS BEING PROVIDED BY THE SHAFT ONE.
BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA REQUIRE THE STRUCTURAL STABILITY INDEPENDENT VESSEL FIRE BY, BUT NO, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S A, UH, THAT'S A, UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, THE DEFINITION OF A FIREWALL WHICH REQUIRES STRUCTURAL INDEPENDENCE.
UM, THE LAST THING THAT I HAVE IS JUST WHEN WE TALKING ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY AND FAIR HOUSINGS, WE REFER PEOPLE TO CHAPTER 11 OF THE DALLAS BUILDING CODE.
WE SAY THE MEET MINIMUM FHA UNIT OR EQUIVALENT REQUIRED.
I WAS JUST GONNA PROPOSE THAT WE THROW IN, SO WE'LL REWRITE.
SO I WOULD SAY WE WRITE CONSOLIDATE DWELLING UNITS SHALL COMPLY WITH, AND I WOULD ADD THE FAIR HOUSING ACT HOUSING AND CHAPTER 11 OF THE DALLAS BUILDING CODE.
THE, THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK THAT THEY JUST HAVE TO MEET CHAPTER 11 IN DALLAS BUILDING CODE.
AND IF THEY DO THAT, THEY'RE FINE BECAUSE THE DALLAS BUILDING CODE IS NOT A SAFE HAVEN UNDER THE FAIR HOUSING ACT.
IT'S THE WAY MY MIND'S WORKING.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT THEM TO BOTH THE FAIR HOUSING ACT AND CHAPTER 11.
CHAPTER APPLY WITH FAIR HOUSING ACT AND THE FAIR HOUSING ACT.
AND WOULD YOU HAVE INSERTED BETWEEN WITH AND CHAPTER YOU GET RID OF THE SECOND SENTENCE THEN, OR MINIMUM
UM, THE FAIR HOUSING ACT AND THE DALLAS, THE MINIMUM DALLAS FHA UNIT REFERS TO A SPECIFIC SET OF DIVISIONS IN CHAPTER 11 THAT WE, UH, THAT WE EXCERPTED FROM THE BARE HOUSING WHERE THE UNIT, ALL OF THE UNITS ON THE GROUND FLOOR BY DEFINITION, UH, HAS TO BE ADAPTABLE, NOT ACCESSIBLE, BUT ADAPTABLE.
SO YOU, YOU HAVE TO GET 'EM INTO THE DOOR.
YOU HAVE BLOCKING THE WALL, YOU'VE GOT IN AND OUT OF THE UNIT, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY PUT IN THOSE, THOSE MORE SPECIFIC ITEMS IN THERE.
AND SO AS LONG AS THEY DO THAT, SOMEBODY ELSE, A DISABLED PERSON MOVES INTO THAT UNIT.
SO THOSE FEATURES ARE ALREADY BUILT INTO THE UNIT SO THEY CAN JUST UPGRADE IT TO MEET THEIR NEEDS.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT, THAT SECOND SENTENCE REFERS TO.
AND, AND, AND THE WAY OUR AMENDMENTS ARE WORDED, THAT WOULD MAKE THEM, UH, IN COMPLIANCE WITH FAIR HOUSING AS FAR AS VALID IS CONCERNED.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S CONSISTENT.
THAT WILL, I'VE BEEN DONE IT FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS.
THE WAY IT WORKS IS THE BUILDING CODE SAYS IN ORDER TO MAKE AN ACCESSIBLE APARTMENT, YOU DO ONE OF TWO THINGS.
THOSE, THOSE, THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYS IN THE FAIR HOUSING ACCOUNT.
THERE ARE SIMILARITIES, BUT THEY ARE IDENTICAL.
SO WHAT DALLAS SAID IS YOU CAN MEET WHAT THE IC THINKS IS ACCEPTABLE AS TYPE A OR B OR DALLAS CREATED A TYPE C, WHICH IS A FAIR HOUSE, BUT DALLAS SAYS YOU CAN MEET THE BUILDING CODE AS RECOMMENDED BY THE I CCC OR YOU CAN MEET
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FAIR RECOMMENDED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY DALLAS, WHICH MAKES IT A LOT EASIER ON THE TIME.I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, THEN MY QUESTION, THE BOARD IS TO INCLUDE THESE CODE ORDINANCE AS AMENDED DOCUMENT, UH, FOR TO, TO, UH, FOR FORWARDING TO CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN ORDER TO PUT IN THE PROPER FORM.
UH, DEREK PANTER, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, THIS ORDINANCE WITH THREE, UM, AMENDMENTS.
I THINK THERE WAS FIVE TOTAL ADJUSTMENTS TO BE MADE THAT I HAD GO OVER.
YEAH, SO IT MAY BE EPS JUST TO MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE AMENDMENT.
JUST MAKE, AND THEN WE CAN AMEND THAT MOTION FIVE TIMES.
SO JARED PAN, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENTS.
SO I YOU WOULD, WE NEED SECOND.
I WOULD SECOND THE MOTION ANYWAY.
I SECOND THE MOTION THE, WHO MADE THE MOTION? JERRY.
AND THEN MR. CHAIR, YOU SAID YOU HAVE FIVE? UH, YES.
SO YOU WOULD, LET'S MAKE SURE.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO KEEP NOTES AS WE'VE BEEN GOING.
SO, UH, OUR, I'VE TRIED TO GO IN ORDER THAT WE HAD R 3 3, 4 0.1.
WE WERE GONNA SAY CONSOLIDATED DWELLING UP TO THREE STORIES IN ONE HOUR IN THE TITLE THREE, 4.1 UP TO THREE STORIES, ONE HOUR FIRES.
THEN THE MATE FOR THAT IS 3 3 4 0.2 CONSOLIDATED.
ROLLING UP TO THREE STORIES IN TWO HOUR.
THE THIRD ITEM IS UNDER, UH, 3, 3, 4, 2, 1, EXCUSE ME.
WE ARE ADDING A C TO HAVE A ONE HOUR ROOF AND THEN WE'RE CHANGING LOAD-BEARING WALLS TO D, RIGHT.
THAT MATE THAT MATCHES THE KIND OF MATE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
IT'S JUST THE ONE ALREADY HAD, UM, THE ONE HOUR WALL ALREADY HAD A, B, C, AND D.
THE TWO HOUR FORM OF IT ONLY HAD A, B, C, WE'VE ADDED IN THE ROOF FOR C AND THEN BUMPED WALLS D THEN UM, 3, 3, 4, 5.
UM, ITEM SEVEN, WE'RE GONNA ALLOW A TWO STORY OPEN STAIR.
SO HOW, HOWEVER YOU ALL WORDED THAT SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO RATE IT THROUGHOUT OPEN, UH, A TWO STORY, YOU CAN HAVE AN OPEN STAIR.
AND LASTLY ARE 3, 3, 4 0.7 CONSOLIDATED DWELLINGS SHALL COMPLY WITH FAIR HOUSING ACT AND CHAPTER 11 OF THE DALLAS BUILDING CODE.
WE NEED A SECOND ON THAT MOTION.
I WAS JUST, UH, WE MAKE A MOTION TO A AMEND.
SO STEVEN, UH, I SECOND MOTION AND I ASSUME NOT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT RIGHT JARED, THAT THOSE FIVE CHANGES, THOSE ARE FRIENDLY CHANGES TO YOUR MAIN MOTION, RIGHT? LIKE YOU DON'T OBJECT TO THOSE NO, THAT'S, SORRY, SORRY.
SO BECAUSE OF THE FRIENDLY AND AMENDMENT, WE DON'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT PROTECT ENGINEER.
AND THE LAST THING, MR. CHAIR, IF ANY DISCUSSION, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS, UH, QUESTIONS FOR DAVID? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT CAME IN? NO, NO MORE QUESTIONS.
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OWN CODE NOW? JARED? GOOD.SO NO WAIT, SO YEAH, SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA TURN THE MEETING.
WE JUST NEED TO VOTE, VOTE NOW.
SO ALL IN FAVOR OF THE, OF APPROVING THIS, UM, WITH THE AMENDMENTS, SAY AYE AYE.
IT IS APPROVED, IT GOES TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
IS THAT CORRECT? WORK? WHAT'S THERE? I DIDN'T SHEET TODAY RIGHT THERE.
EVERYBODY REMEMBER TO SIGN THE CHECK IN OR THE SIGN IN SHEET AND, AND, AND WE ALSO NEED, UH, MYSELF TO SIGN THE APPROVED MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING AND WE CORRECTED IT BY NO, THERE WAS NO CORRECT.
YEAH, IT WAS THE OTHER JOE MAKE, CORRECT? IT WAS NOT JOE SOKI WAS JOSEPH V FRANCESCA, YES.
AND THEN NO OTHER BUSINESS SOUR.
THERE'S NO OTHER BUSINESS MEETING THE SIGN ON THAT LAST PAGE.
HEY, UH, DAVID, AT THIS TIME WE STILL HAVE A TENTATIVE MEETING ON THE 15TH, CORRECT? APRIL.
SO THAT WOULD BE OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING THAT THAT IS THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NO BUSINESS BUSINESS EXPERT I KNOW OF RIGHT NOW, SO OKAY.
MORE THAN LIKELY THAT WILL BE ISSUE A, A, A CANCELLATION NOTE ON THAT.
HEY, REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S EFFORTS.