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COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
CAN WE START OUT WITH A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.
DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER DUBINSKI, DISTRICT TWO, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DISTRICT THREE.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PRESENT, DRIVING INTO THE GARAGE.
COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, DISTRICT FIVE.
COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN PRESENT? DISTRICT NINE.
DISTRICT 14, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND PLACE 15 VICE CHAIR RUBIN.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, JUNE 26TH, 2025, 9:15 AM APOLOGIES ON THE LATE START TODAY.
WE'RE RUNNING, RUNNING A LITTLE BIT LATE.
UM, UH, THIS IS THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
AS ALWAYS, COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS JUST A TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF.
WE WILL KEEP ALL OUR, UH, COMMENTS FOR THE HEARING THIS AFTERNOON.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED
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WITH OUR BRIEFING TODAY.ARE WE READY TO GO? GOOD MORNING.
UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US BACK THIS MORNING.
AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE'VE BEEN DOING MEETINGS.
WE'VE, UH, UH, WE'RE ON OUR LAST ONE TONIGHT IN THE NORTH PART OF DALLAS.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO DO A REALLY QUICK, BRIEFLY ON KIND OF THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING.
UH, IN ADDITION, OUR, IN ADDITION, OUR SUB-CONSULTANT, ZOE COMMUNICATIONS, HAS BEEN PUTTING TOGETHER PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL, TALKING TO FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN AT THE MEETING, UM, AND THEY'VE PUT TOGETHER WHAT WE LIKE TO CALL A ROUGH CUT OF A PROMOTIONAL ITEM WE'D LIKE TO SEND OUT.
IT PROBABLY NEEDS A COUPLE OF TWEAKS TO IT, BUT, UM, AND SOME ADDITIONAL STUFF.
WE COULDN'T ADD ANYTHING FROM THE MEETING LAST NIGHT, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE THIS IS 9:00 AM IN THE MORNING.
UM, SO WE WANTED TO SHARE THE VIDEO.
AS WE'RE GETTING THAT SET UP, UH, LET ME JUST TAKE A MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER ROTH.
UH, IF, IF WE'VE KNOWN YOU WERE COMING, WOULD'VE CLEANED UP THE PLACE A LITTLE BIT.
UH, NEW COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, MY COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS MORNING.
THE CITY AND CAMAROS HAVE PUT IN A LOT OF EFFORT, UM, TO SEE WHAT OPPORTUNITIES THERE ARE TO CHANGING THE ZONING CODE, UH, AND MODIFYING IT AND MODERNIZING IT.
UM, BUT RESIDENTS HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS STEMMING FROM A LOT OF LOCAL ISSUES, UM, THAT ARE SEPARATE FROM THE CODE, UH, IN MANY WAYS, BUT SOMETIMES TIED TO IT.
AND THIS WILL COMPLICATE HOW REFORM WILL UNDERGO.
FOR ME, IT WAS CLEAR THAT THIS IS JUST LIKE THE BEGINNING OF A PROCESS.
THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE WITH THE ZONING REFORM, AND IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
SO, COMMUNITY NEEDS TO GET INVOLVED AND SAY THEIR INPUT.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN SETBACKS AND YARDS.
I THINK A LOT OF CONCERNS FOR THE NEW TOWNHOUSES THAT ARE COMING UP IN DISTRICTS THAT ARE TH THREE IS THAT THEY SEEM TO HAVE ONLY SETBACKS, NO YARDS, AND THEN THEY CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF THE ECOLOGICAL TREE, PRESERVATION OF ONE TREE PER HOME.
I THINK THAT THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WEREN'T ADDRESSED, SOME THINGS THAT WERE A LITTLE CONFUSING, UM, THAT NEEDED A BIT MORE EXPLANATION.
I THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE REDUCED SOME OF THE QUESTIONS.
I THINK IT'S WRONG, AND I'M HERE TO JUST KIND OF REPRESENT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DEALING WITH THESE ISSUES, GREAT BUSINESSES, TO DALLAS AND ALLOWING ALL THE GREAT USES THAT, UH, MAKE IT THE BEST PLACE TO LIVE, WORK, AND RAISE A FAMILY.
SO GLAD TO HEAR ALL THE CHANGES, AND I'M EXCITED TO SEE HOW WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON REFORM.
NOW, THE TAXES ARE KILLING PEOPLE IN WEST DALLAS, SO I'M NOT ACTUALLY SURE WHO THE CITY OF DALLAS IS BUILDING THESE HOMES FOR, BUT YOU ARE DEFINITELY NOT BUILDING THEM FOR PEOPLE IN WEST DALLAS.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN, IN WEST DALLAS IS NOT AFFORDABLE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE NOW, OR THE PEOPLE THAT GREW UP THERE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I PULLED FROM THIS PARTICULAR MEETING, WHICH
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I REALLY ENJOYED, WAS TO HEARING ABOUT THE PROPOSALS OF THE, UH, ZONING AND HOW IT WOULD IMPACT VARIOUS COMMUNITIES, I THINK IS TO BE FAIR ACROSS THE BOARD.UH, I RECALL WHEN I WORKED WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, UH, AND HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH, UH, ZONING AND WITH THE CPC, THOSE WERE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT FOR US, TRYING TO MAKE THINGS BETTER, UH, AND AS IT RELATES TO BUILDING AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
SO I THINK THAT TODAY WAS A GREAT MEETING.
IT SUPPLIED US WITH, UH, WEALTH OF, UH, INFORMATION.
AND I CAN'T WAIT TO GO BACK AND TO, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT THE POWERPOINT.
UH, SO I SUPPORT THIS INITIATIVE.
I REMEMBER AGAIN, YEARS AGO, UH, IT WAS SIMPLIFYING.
UH, I THINK IT'LL BE EASIER FOR RESIDENTS WHO WANNA MAKE CHANGES TO THEIR HOMES AND FOR DEVELOPERS TO BUILD BETTER HOUSING, TO TALK FOR THE CITY.
IT'S EXCITED ABOUT THINKING ABOUT OUR FUTURE AND, UM, WAYS THAT WE CAN BUILD A BETTER FUTURE FOR DALLAS.
I THINK BOTH SIDES HAD A LOT OF GREAT POINTS, AND I THINK IN THE END, EVERYONE'S GONNA WORK EVERYTHING OUT.
IT'S GONNA BE GREAT FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO SEEING HOW THIS REFORM MAKES IT EASIER AND MORE COMPREHENSIBLE TO BUILD AND UNDERSTAND THE CODE, IT CREATES MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR VARIETY AND WALKABILITY IN OUR OWN CITY.
I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE, UH, US HOMEOWNERS ARE THE LAST TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF THESE MEETINGS MORE SPECIFICALLY IN AREAS LIKE MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS EAST DALLAS.
WE HAD RESIDENTS AND WE HAD RESIDENTS FROM THE DIFFERENT, UH, COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT DALLAS.
THE PROGRAM OR JUST, UH, ZONING NEEDS TO BE CUSTOMIZED TO EACH COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, UH, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF, LOT OF DIFFERENT, UH, IDEAS, DIFFERENT WAYS OF EXPRESSING THEM.
AND, AND IT'S JUST THE LAND USE AND THE ZONING, HOW THAT GOES TOGETHER AND HOW IT'S GONNA AFFECT US IN WEST.
ALLISON, I, I WAS REALLY HAPPY TO SEE ART TURN OUT.
THEY NEED TO LISTEN TO US AND, AND HELP US MAINTAIN OUR CITY THE WAY IT SHOULD BE, THE WAY THAT PROMOTES COMMUNITY AND PRESERVES, AS WE SAID.
SO WE KNOW THAT ONE EDIT ABRUPTLY, AND IF YOU SEE ME SQUIRMING, IT'S BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE TO SEE MYSELF ON VIDEO.
UM, SO AS YOU CAN TELL FROM THAT PRESENTATION, WE JUST WANNA PROVIDE YOU KIND OF A BRIEF UPDATE OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING AT THESE MEETINGS.
UM, I DO THINK THAT YOU KIND OF GOT A FLAVOR OF IT FROM THIS VIDEO THAT WE'VE GOT FOLKS ON BOTH SIDES, UM, OF A NUMBER OF KEY ISSUES REALLY WE'VE BEEN HEARING.
UM, I THINK THERE'S ABOUT FOUR KEY THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD KIND OF A LOT AT THESE MEETINGS, AND I'M GONNA INVITE MY COLLEAGUES TO JUMP IN AND CUT ME OFF IF I FORGET SOMETHING.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY RECOGNIZE THIS FROM WHAT HAPPENED WITH, FOR DALLAS, UH, FOLKS ON BOTH SIDES.
MANY WANTING A DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TO INCREASE THE ABILITY TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND OTHERS THAT ARE, UH, REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, PRESERVATION OF EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS REALLY NEWS.
WE KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.
UM, AND AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THESE MEETINGS, REALLY PRESENTING THAT, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CREATING OPTIONS AND TOOLS WITHIN THE ZONING CODER, THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, TO REALLY ACCOMPLISH BOTH THINGS.
SO AS YOU READ THE DIAGNOSTIC, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS, UM, AS WELL AS KIND OF CREATING THOSE PARALLEL DISTRICTS THAT ALLOW FOR, UH, MULTIPLE TYPES OF, OF HOUSING UNITS.
UM, ANOTHER KEY ONE THAT WE HAD, YOU KNOW, PRESENTED AS A PROPOSAL WITHIN, UH, THE CODE DIAGNOSTIC IS ADU.
WE KNOW CURRENTLY THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, OR THEY'RE THROUGH THE A DU OVERLAY, UM, THAT PERHAPS IN SOME AREAS THEY COULD BE PERMITTED BY, RIGHT? UM, WITH A WHOLE LOT OF STANDARDS TIED TO THOSE TYPES OF ADUS.
SO REALLY TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE PEOPLE WANNA SEE THEM.
UM, AGAIN, A LOT OF SUPPORT ON ONE SIDE TO HAVE ADUS BY RIGHT WITHIN THE CITY, SEEING IT AS AN OPTION FOR MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, HOUSING DIVERSITY.
OTHERS WHO ARE VERY CONCERNED THAT ADUS ARE GOING TO, UH, NEGATIVELY IMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO I, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THIS IS REALLY A KIND OF A BIG SURPRISE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE HEARING.
WE KNEW THESE KIND OF, UH, ISSUES WOULD BE COMING UP.
UM, ALSO, UH, ANOTHER ONE THAT, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, KIND OF RELATED TO THIS IS SUVS AND TALKING ABOUT HOW, UM, THE RENEWAL OF SUVS IS KIND OF SOMETHING VERY UNIQUE TO DALLAS THAT DOESN'T REALLY HAPPEN ANYWHERE ELSE.
THAT SUVS ARE TYPICALLY TIED TO CONDITIONS.
UM, BASICALLY USED, IF THEY'RE NOT MEETING THOSE CONDITIONS AS PART OF THEIR APPROVAL, THEY COULD BE REVOKED, BUT THEY'RE NOT RENEWED ON A YEARLY BASIS, WHATEVER THAT TIMEFRAME MAY BE.
UM, SO A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THAT FROM SOME, UM, IN PARTICULAR REGARDING INDUSTRIAL USES, ANDS FOR INDUSTRIAL USES.
UH, SO REALLY KIND OF LOOKING AT HOW CAN WE HANDLE THOSE.
UM, AGAIN, AS WE BROUGHT UP WHEN WE WERE HERE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, UM, KIND
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OF THE IDEA OF RENEWAL OF SUVS CREATES SOME ISSUES OF PREDICTABILITY.UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LOOKING TO OPEN NEW BUSINESSES MAY NOT BE INCI, MAY NOT SEE AN INCENTIVE TO COME DO THAT, KNOWING IT'S UNPREDICTABLE THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO GO FOR RENEWAL.
UH, BUT WE DO RECOGNIZE THE KEY ASPECTS OF THE INDUSTRIAL USES AND THE CONFLICTS AND INCOMPATIBILITIES THEY CAN CAUSE.
SO FOR US, THAT REALLY TASKS US WITH GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT INDUSTRIAL USES, HOW THEY'RE TREATED.
UH, SOME OF THIS IN ADDITION MAY BE KIND OF RELATED TO SOMETHING FURTHER DOWN THE LINE, UM, THAT IS, UH, KIND OF MAPPING ISSUES OF WHERE THESE INDUSTRIAL USES ARE OR CAN BE.
SO, UM, REALLY IT IS FIRST AND, AND KIND OF FOREMOST IN OUR MINDS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE THAT WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THOSE.
UM, THOSE WERE, AND AM I MISSING, THOSE WERE REALLY THE BIG ONES.
UM, ALSO HAVE BEEN GETTING SOME COMMENTS ABOUT SOME FLEXIBILITIES THAT WE'VE PROPOSED AROUND THINGS LIKE ADMINISTRATIVE MODIFICATIONS.
UM, FOLKS WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE GONNA, UH, GO THROUGH A PROCESS AND BE REVIEWED VERY CAREFULLY IF WE'RE ADDING IN ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITIES.
UM, WE HAVE ALSO HEARD SUPPORT FOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, FOLKS THAT ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THAT, THAT THESE UPDATES COULD MAKE IT EASIER TO, UH, MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE EXISTING HOMES, UH, EVEN IF THEY'RE IN NON-CONFORMING STATUS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN HEARING JUST A, A BROAD RANGE OF PERSPECTIVE KIND OF ON, UH, SUPPORT AS WELL AS CONCERN, UH, TO SOME OF THE KEY ASPECTS THAT WE'VE PRESENTED SO FAR.
SO, UM, THAT'S REALLY THE SUMMARY THAT WE'RE HEARING.
WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF FOLKS FILLING OUT COMMENT CARDS.
WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOT HAD THE CHANCE YET TO ENTER THAT INFORMATION TO KIND OF REVIEW EACH OF THOSE, BUT, UM, JUST FROM A BRIEF KIND OF FLIPPING THROUGH THEM SEE A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR MANY OF THE THINGS PROPOSED WITHIN THE CODE DIAGNOSTIC.
UH, JUST TO SAY, WE WILL BE DOING ONE MORE MEETING TONIGHT IN THE NORTH PART OF DALLAS.
AND THEN ON, UH, WE'VE AN, WE'VE SCHEDULED, WE'RE, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL BE THE DATE JULY 16TH.
WE'LL DO TWO VIRTUAL SESSIONS, ONE AT NOON, UH, ONE AT 6:00 PM SO THAT THE FOLKS WHO WANNA JOIN VIRTUALLY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MAKE IT TO THE MEETINGS.
WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF JUMP ON A ZOOM WEBINAR WITH US, UH, AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
AND WE'LL BE POSTING THOSE AND GETTING THAT INFORMATION OUT FOLLOWING, UH, THE MEETING TONIGHT, UM, IN THE NORTH PART OF DALLAS.
SO THAT'S REALLY, WE JUST WANTED TO KIND OF BRIEF YOU ALL ON, ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING, UM, HAVING GONE THROUGH FORWARD DALLAS.
I DON'T THINK MANY FOLKS ARE SURPRISED AT KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE HEARING ON BOTH SIDES.
UM, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.
HOW ARE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS BEING RECORDED? UM, SO WE'RE ASKING EVERYBODY TO SUBMIT WRITTEN COMMENTS, WHETHER THROUGH, UH, THE COMMENT FORM ON THE WEBSITE, EMAILS TO THE, THE STAFF PLANNER THAT WOULD BE COLLECTING WEBSITE COMMENTS.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE GETTING COMMENT CARDS.
WE'RE GONNA BE DOCUMENTING ALL OF THOSE, PUTTING THOSE ALL IN A SPREADSHEET.
UM, WE TAKE NOTES AT THE MEETING, BUT WE'RE NOT DOCUMENTING THE COMMENTS THAT ARE SAID DURING THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
WE KIND OF FLAGGING THE ISSUES THAT ARE COMING UP, BUT WE REALLY WANT WRITTEN COMMENTS FROM EVERYONE SO THAT, UH, THERE ARE NO MISUNDERSTANDINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT MISINTERPRETING WHAT SOMEONE SAYS.
UM, AND THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BASICALLY JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S WRITTEN IN THE WAY THAT FOLKS WANNA GET THEIR COMMENT IN.
AND IS THE PUBLIC BEING TOLD AT THE BEGINNING OF THESE MEETINGS THAT THAT IS THE FORMAT FOR SUBMITTING COMMENTS? UM, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE SAID THAT THERE IS ABILITY TO COMMENT ON THE WEBSITE THAT THERE'S COMMENT CARDS, AND THAT WE DO WANNA GET WRITTEN COMMENTS FROM THE, THE PUBLIC THAT'S THERE.
WE HAVE SAID THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETINGS.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, AS THERE'RE PARTICIPATING IN THE MEETING AND OFFERING FEEDBACK, HAS IT BEEN MADE CLEAR TO THEM THAT THAT FEEDBACK IS NOT BEING RECORDED BY YOU ALL FOR THIS PROCESS? UM, WE HAVE NOT SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT DURING THE Q AND A PORTION.
I MEAN, WE WILL TONIGHT, IT WILL BE THE LAST, OBVIOUSLY THE LAST MEETING.
BUT REALLY JUST TO SAY THAT, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE ASKING FOR THE COMMENTS TO BE WRITTEN DOWN AND THAT WE'RE JUST TAKING NOTES ON THE THINGS WE'RE HEARING, UM, BUT WE'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY WRITING DOWN THE COMMENTS THAT THEY'RE SAYING AT THE MEETING.
WE WILL TELL THEM THAT TONIGHT.
UM, WHO IS THE LAWYER THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH AS YOU MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT THE PROPOSALS YOU'RE COM YOU'RE GOING TO BE RECOMMENDING ARE GOING TO COMPLY WITH STATE AND FEDERAL LAW? UM, SO WE ARE WORKING WITH, AND I JUST KNOW HIM AS JIM, SO I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT I WHAT NI OH, NYAS.
UH, JIM NYAS, UH, HE'S OUT OF AUSTIN.
UM, I THINK JACKSON AND JACKSON WALKER.
UH, HE'S THE ATTORNEY THAT WE HAVE ON THE TEAM TO REVIEW THINGS AS WE, UH, DRAFT THEM, MOVE THEM FORWARD, AND OBVIOUSLY ALSO WORKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEYS.
WHO IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE PLEASE? UH, I DON'T HAVE SPECIFICS ON THAT.
I KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK TO THE ATTORNEYS REGARDING THE NEW, UH, THE NEW, UH, SP BILLS, THE SENATE BILLS THAT HAVE
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BEEN PASSED, UH, REGARDING STATE LAW AND, AND ZONING AND LAND USE.UM, I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW THE NAMES OF THE ATTORNEYS.
IT WOULD BE THE, THE CITY'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
SO, AM I CORRECT IN UNDERSTANDING YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY WORKING WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE YET? I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T HAD A MEETING WITH THEM YET, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY'RE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS.
I, I, IF I MAY ANSWER, THEY'RE PART OF STAFF.
SO ALL THE TASK MEETINGS, UH, TASK FORCE MEETINGS AND EVERYTHING, WE'RE WORKING INTERNALLY.
TASK FORCE, MEANING STAFF, THE ATTORNEYS ARE PART OF IT.
AND TO YOUR ANSWER, WE HAVE A
AND WHO, WHO, WHO ARE THE, WHO ARE THE ATTORNEYS THAT ARE WORKING ON THIS? LAURA MORRISON HERE IS OUR CPC DESIGNATED ATTORNEY.
I KNOW THAT, BUT I'M ASKING WHO ARE THE LAWYERS THAT ARE ADVISING ON THE DEVELOPMENT CODE REWRITE THE LEND USE ATTORNEYS GROUP? WHAT ARE THEIR NAMES, PLEASE? I, I DON'T KNOW.
LIKE, IT WOULD BE CASEY BURGESS WITH LAURA MORRISON AND THEIR GROUP.
THERE IS A, THERE IS AN ENTIRE GROUP IN IN THAT GROUP.
IT'S LIKE ASKING, THIS IS LAURA MORRISON WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
IT'S GONNA BE THE MUNICIPAL REGULATORY SECTION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HEADED UP BY CASEY BURGESS AND MYSELF.
UM, WHAT ARE THE STEPS THAT YOU ARE RECOMMENDING TO PROTECT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS? UM, SO CURRENTLY WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED WITHIN THE DIAGNOSTIC IS TO, YOU HAVE YOUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
UM, THE DIAGNOSTIC DOES NOT PROPOSE TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THOSE, UH, IN PARTICULAR KEEPING THEM AS THEY ARE AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
WE'VE MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO MAKE SURE THINGS LIKE SETBACKS AND LOT SIZES ARE LINING UP WITH WHAT THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS ARE.
UM, SO REALLY THAT WOULD BE THE DISTRICTS THAT WOULD PROTECT THE SINGLE FAMILY.
THIS IS THE WAY THAT IT'S BEEN PROPOSED IN THE DIAGNOSTIC, UH, WE HAVE PROPOSED TO CREATE ADDITIONAL NEW DISTRICTS, UH, THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR DIVERSITY WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY IS RIGHT TO PUT THOSE DISTRICTS ON THE MAP.
BUT CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, WE, WE'VE, THE WAY WE'VE PROPOSED IT IN THE DIAGNOSTIC IS TO KEEP THE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS AND JUST TAILOR THEM TO THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS THAT ARE OUT THERE TO CREATE, UH, AN INCREASE IN CONFORMITY.
WHAT PROPOSALS ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THAT COULD ADVERSELY IMPACT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AT THIS? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANYTHING THAT WE'VE PROPOSED WOULD ADVERSELY IMPACT THEM.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET FURTHER DOWN THE LINE IN THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP AND LOOK AT THE, THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AND SEE IF MAYBE SOME ARE READY TO MOVE INTO KIND OF A MORE DIVERSE HOUSING TYPE.
BUT AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE NO IDEA, UH, IF THOSE WOULD EVEN BE PUT ON THE MAP.
WE ARE, WE ARE NOT AT THAT POINT IN THE PROCESS.
UM, WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU HAVE NOW, THE WAY THE SINGLE FAMILY IS NOW, UM, THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, JUST SMALL TWEAKS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE MORE IN CONFORMITY.
I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE NEGATIVE TOWARDS THAT.
BUT YOU ARE PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE AND RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY REVIEW AND THINGS LIKE THAT? RIGHT.
UH, WE'RE PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE THOSE AS THEY ARE, BUT WE ARE PROPOSING TO CREATE NEW VERSIONS OF BASICALLY HOW THINGS TRANSITION, HOW COMPATIBILITY IS ACHIEVED IN PARTICULAR THINGS OF HEIGHT.
YOU KNOW, TALLER BUILDINGS CLOSER TO SINGLE FAMILY THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT EASIER AND MORE REFINED, UM, AND CONTEXTUAL THAN THE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE.
SO WE STILL HAVE PROPOSALS ON THE TABLE FOR KIND OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THAT, TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT YOUR PROPOSAL IS? WHAT ARE THOSE DIFFERENT WAYS? SORRY.
WHAT ARE THOSE DIFFERENT WAYS? UM, WE ARE STILL WORKING OUT THE TECHNICAL DETAILS OF THAT.
AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THERE'S WAYS THAT YOU CAN START TO ADJUST HEIGHT, UM, WHERE YOU, UH, BASICALLY LIMIT THE HEIGHT OF RESIDENTIAL OR, OR OF TALLER BUILDINGS NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY FOR A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM THERE, RATHER THAN THE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE, WHICH SAYS THINGS LIKE INFINITE.
UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CREATING THAT RIGHT SPACE.
WE CREATE THE HEIGHT THAT WORKS THERE.
UM, LOOKING AT KIND OF THE DISTANCES BETWEEN THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUILDINGS AND INCOMPATIBILITY, WE DON'T HAVE THE TECHNICAL DETAILS YET.
LIKE WE SAID, THIS IS A PROPOSAL.
WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO TACKLE IT.
AND, UM, I, I THINK WE TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT THIS THE LAST TIME WE WERE IN FRONT OF YOU ALL AS WELL.
UM, THE, THE INTENT IS REALLY TO ADDRESS THOSE TYPES OF, UH, CONCERNS AROUND ADJACENCIES AND TRANSITIONS ON A MUCH MORE SORT OF SITE SPECIFIC BASIS, RIGHT? SO INSTEAD OF AN 18 TO 19 DEGREE ANGLE THAT EXTENDS LITERALLY INFINITELY, UM, AND CONTROLS THE HEIGHT OF EVERYTHING AROUND IT, WHAT DO WE REALLY WANT TO DEAL WITH, RIGHT? WE WANT TO DEAL WITH THE IMPACTS
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OF HEIGHT ON SPECIFIC PROPERTIES THAT MIGHT BE ADJACENT TO OTHER TALLER THINGS.SO THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS THAT WE CAN KIND OF GET AT THAT IN TERMS OF DISTANCES AND LIMITING HEIGHT FROM SPECIFIC PROPERTIES THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY EXTEND INFINITELY POTENTIALLY COMPLICATE THINGS, YOU KNOW, HALFWAY DOWN THE BLOCK WHEN THOSE IMPACTS ON A PARTICULAR PROPERTY THAT MIGHT BE CAUSING, UH, THE HEIGHT LIMITATIONS ARE REALLY GONNA BE MINIMAL.
UM, SO THE INTENT IS THAT WE CONTROL THOSE IMPACTS AND WE CONTROL WHAT MAKES PEOPLE NERVOUS ABOUT THEM.
BUT WE DO IT THROUGH A MUCH MORE SORT OF STRATEGIC SITE-BASED APPROACH AS OPPOSED TO SORT OF THIS BLUNT INSTRUMENT THAT JUST LITERALLY EXTENDS INFINITELY FROM, UH, FROM SUBJECT PROPERTIES.
WELL, THE REASON I KEEP ASKING THIS QUESTION IS BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M GETTING A STRAIGHTFORWARD ANSWER THAT I CAN EXPLAIN TO ANYBODY ELSE.
WELL, WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC PROPOSALS YET, RIGHT? SO THIS IS JUST THE, THE LARGE CONCEPTS.
WHEN WE COME OUT WITH THE PUBLIC DRAFT, WE'RE HOPING THAT PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE TO ENGAGE, YOU KNOW, SO MUCH OF THE, THE DEVIL, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, REAL OR PERCEIVED IS IN THE DETAILS WITH STUFF LIKE THIS.
AND SO WE DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS YET.
WE'RE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO CONTINUE TO ENGAGE WITH THE PROCESS SO THAT WHEN WE DO HAVE DETAILS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ABLE TO CONTINUE THE DIALOGUE AND, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO BE OPEN TO NEW WAYS OF CONTROLLING IMPACTS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE SIMPLER, KIND OF MORE EFFECTIVE WAYS TO DO THIS, UM, THAN A LOT OF THIS STUFF THAT'S, THAT'S CURRENTLY WITHIN THE CODE.
SO, HOPE TO PRESENT, OBVIOUSLY, WE WILL BE PRESENTING DETAILS AND HOPE TO JUST CONTINUE TO HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH PEOPLE ONCE THE DETAILS ARE OUT THERE.
YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN THE CITY THAT ARE DISTRUSTFUL OF PROCESSES LIKE THIS, PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF HAVING GONE THROUGH THE FORWARD DALLAS PROCESS RECENTLY.
WHAT STEPS DO YOU INTEND ARE THAT, ARE YOU TAKING TO ENSURE WE DON'T HAVE FOUR DALLAS 3.0 FOR PUBLIC PROCESS? I MEAN, I REALLY THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE SAID, THIS PART OF THE PROCESS IS PRESENTING KIND OF THE TECHNICAL ANALYSIS, BIG CONCEPTS, BIG APPROACHES.
WHEN WE COME BACK OUT AT THE END, UM, HOPEFULLY TOWARDS THE END OF THIS YEAR WITH A PUBLIC DRAFT, UH, WE'RE DOING IT, IT'LL BE A FAR MORE INTENSIVE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PROCESS.
WE WILL BE HERE FOR WEEKS, LITERALLY MEETING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, IN THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS WITH VARIOUS GROUPS TO PRESENT THAT PUBLIC DRAFT AND THE DETAILS THAT ARE IN THERE.
THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY, THE WAY WE STRUCTURE THESE THROUGH, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH WORKSHOPS OR OPEN HOUSES, UM, TO REALLY GET AT THE ISSUES THAT ARE MAKING PEOPLE NERVOUS AND TO EXPLAIN THROUGH THE DETAILS, UH, EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, HOW WE'RE HANDLING THEIR CONCERNS.
UM, AND THAT PROCESS, WHEN THAT PROCESS ENDS, WE TAKE ALL THAT INFORMATION BACK.
WE HAVE TO BALANCE EVERYTHING BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S, LIKE, WE, YOU SAW WITHIN THE VIDEO AND WHAT WE KIND OF SUMMARIZE THAT WE HEARD DIFFERENT OPINIONS WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
WE HAVE TO USE THE GUIDANCE OF FORWARD DALLAS.
UH, WE'LL BE COMING BACK OUT WITH A RED LINE PUBLIC DRAFT TOO.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IS BEING PUSHED VERY QUICKLY TO GET TO THE FINISH LINE.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE SEEING, UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S IN THE CODE, UNDERSTANDING THE DETAILS, AND THEN SEEING THE CHANGES THAT ARE MADE IN RESPONSES TO EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE HEARING.
UM, REALLY WORKING THROUGH THAT, CREATING VARIOUS OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE THAT INPUT.
UM, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT WORK WITH OUR SUB-CONSULTANT, ZOE COMMUNICATIONS, TO GET INFORMATION OUT.
I THINK ON SOME OF THE KEY ISSUES, UM, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING AMONGST, AMONGST OURSELVES SOME OF THE KEY ISSUES.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT FORWARD INFORMATION THAT REALLY DETAILS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT THE SPECIFIC PROPOSALS ARE FOR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE OF, OF SIGNIFICANT CONCERN.
UM, SO IT'S REALLY A, WE'RE TRYING TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT AND TRYING TO SHOW EVERYBODY EXACTLY WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, THE DRAFT CODE IS AND THEN WHAT THE CHANGES ARE MADE IN RESPONSE TO WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM FOLKS.
AND IF THERE'S OVERWHELMING OPPOSITION TO SOMETHING YOU'RE PROPOSING, IS THERE ANY REALISTIC CHANCE THAT YOUR PROPOSAL WILL CHANGE OF, OF COURSE.
I MEAN, THAT IS THE INTENT OF THE PROCESS IS TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S OPINION AND TO SEE REALLY WHERE WE NEED TO GO.
AND REALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY, ONCE WE MAKE THIS, THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK TO THE CPC, IT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL.
AND THAT'S REALLY THE FINAL WORD ON WHAT GOES INTO THAT CODE.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN PROVIDE PROPOSALS, UM, AND WE CAN CREATE THESE DRAFTS, BUT REALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY, THESE TWO BODIES ARE MAKING THE DECISIONS, UH, ON THIS, THE, THE DRAFT DEVELOPMENT CODE.
BUT YEAH, OUR INTENT, WE ANTICIPATE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE STRANGE IF DRAFT ONE, THE DRAFT TWO DIDN'T CHANGE.
JUST ONE MORE LINE OF QUESTIONS.
BEFORE YOU STARTED THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, YOU MET WITH A FOCUS GROUP OF FOLKS RIGHT? BACK IN 2023, DECEMBER OF 2023, WE DID STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS WITH USERS OF THE CODE.
UM, AND ESSENTIALLY IT WAS TO GET A SENSE OF KIND OF HOW THE CODE WORKS, HOW THEY DEAL WITH IT ON A DAILY BASIS AND WHAT'S THERE.
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MOSTLY ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEWS.MAYBE A FEW HAD A COUPLE PEOPLE IN THEM, WASN'T A TECHNICAL COMMITTEE, WASN'T A STEERING COMMITTEE, UM, WASN'T THERE TO GUIDE THE PROCESS.
THEY WERE JUST FOLKS THAT WE MET WITH TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY'RE USING THE CODE TODAY.
AND THAT WAS THE LIST THAT I ASKED FOR IN THE LAST MEETING.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THERE AREN'T ANY NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THAT GROUP? UM, WE, WE WORKED WITH THE, THE LIST THAT WE GOT, WE DID INVITE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE, NUMBER, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT THE FULL LIST OF PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T RESPOND TO THE INVITES.
UM, REALLY WE WERE JUST LOOKING FOR FOLKS THAT REALLY WORK WITH THE CODE ON A DAILY BASIS, NOT LOOKING FOR CONCEPTUAL THINGS.
WE NEEDED TECHNICAL INFORMATION REGARDING HOW THE CODE TECHNICALLY IS WORKING FOR FOLKS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
AND THANK Y'ALL FOR BEING HERE.
I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND, UH, YESTERDAY'S MEETING,
UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON HIT A FEW OF MINE AND, SORRY, TRYING TO MAKE SURE I SPEAK CLEARLY HERE.
UM, I THINK YOU, YOU MENTIONED THE TIMELINE WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS THAT I KNOW YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ARE WE ARE AS WELL.
I HEARD JULY 16TH, BUT I APOLOGIZE, I DID NOT CATCH WHAT THAT MEETING IS.
WE'LL DO THIS PRESENTATION THAT YOU SAW LAST NIGHT ONLINE, UH, TO VIRTUAL WEBINARS.
SO IT'S JUST THE SAME INFORMATION, SAME EXACT SAME THING.
AND THEN THE FIRST DRAFT, AND AGAIN, I KNOW IT'S NOT SET, BUT THE TARGET IS END OF THE YEAR.
SO IS THERE ANY OUTREACH THAT'S HAPPENING BETWEEN JULY 16TH AND DECEMBER? YOU'RE JUST, THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE BACK AND DOING YOUR WORK? IS THAT, YEAH, WE'RE BASICALLY, A LOT OF THAT TIME IS GONNA BE DONE DRAFTING.
UM, WE OBVIOUSLY ARE STILL TAKING COMMENTS, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE PUBLIC AS WE CONTINUE TO DRAFT.
IT MAY BE THAT WE NEED TO RELEASE SOME MATERIALS TO EXPLAIN SOME OF THESE CONCEPTS THAT WE'RE HEARING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT.
UM, BUT REALLY IT IS A, A MORE CONCENTRATED PERIOD OF DRAFTING.
BUT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, AVAILABLE TO REACH OUT TO GROUPS WITH THE CO-AG AGNOSTIC.
WE'LL BE BACK IN AUGUST, UH, TO PRESENT THAT SAME PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL SO THAT THEY CAN SEE, UH, WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
THAT'S AUGUST 20TH, I BELIEVE.
AND, AND JUST TO ADD ONTO THAT TOO, WE WE'RE COORDINATING WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS SUB-CONSULTANT TEAM, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE KIND OF RETREAT A LITTLE BIT FROM, FROM THE PUBLIC EYE AND WE MOVE INTO THE DRAFTING PHASE, THAT THIS PROJECT DOESN'T JUST COMPLETELY FALL OFF.
THAT THERE ARE STILL MATERIALS THAT ARE COMING OUT, THAT THEY'RE STILL KIND OF AWARENESS THAT WE'RE BUILDING, UM, ABOUT WHAT'S COMING, UH, WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED AND, AND WHAT PEOPLE CAN EXPECT NEXT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE STRATEGIZING ABOUT THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONCRETE PLANS, BUT THE INTENT IS, IS NOT THAT WE JUST DISAPPEAR FOR MONTHS UNTIL THE PUBLIC DRAFT COMES OUT, THAT THERE WILL STILL BE, UH, KIND OF AN ACTIVE ENGAGEMENT COMPONENT.
AND I'LL JUST FOLLOW UP ON THE COMMENT QUESTION.
UM, WHAT, WHAT IS THE COMMENT PERIOD? I'M GETTING FEEDBACK SIMILAR, I THINK TO OTHERS IN THAT IT'S NOT BEING CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD THAT, UM, VERBAL COMMENTS THAT ARE PRESENTED AT THESE MEETINGS AREN'T BEING TRACKED.
AND I THINK THAT'S RAISING SOME CONCERNS WITHIN FOLKS.
SO I THINK I CERTAINLY WANNA MAKE SURE I'M COMMUNICATING, UM, WITH MY STAKEHOLDER GROUPS AND NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS.
HERE'S WHAT THE TIME PERIOD IS.
I HAD SOMEONE APPROACH ME LAST NIGHT THAT THEY'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY WITH THE ONLINE FORM.
I'VE TOLD THEM TO EMAIL ME, BUT CAN, CAN YOU JUST WALK THROUGH WHAT IS THE TIME PERIOD TO RECEIVE THOSE COMMENTS? I KNOW IT'S ONLINE, I KNOW IT'S EMAIL, IT'S WRITTEN IF THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, AND THEN THEY MAIL THOSE BACK IN.
BUT COULD YOU JUST WALK THROUGH WHAT THAT TIMELINE AND WHAT THOSE ARE JUST VERY CLEARLY IN CASE ANYONE'S LISTENING OR SO THAT I CAN ALSO MAKE SURE I'M COMMUNICATING GOOD INFORMATION? RIGHT.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVEN'T SET A CLOSE TO THE COMMON PERIOD.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO TALK TO STAFF ABOUT AND KIND OF OUR BIWEEKLY MEETINGS ABOUT WHEN WE SHOULD BE, UM, KIND OF SHUTTING DOWN THE MAIN COMMENT PERIOD FOR CO DIAGNOSTIC.
WE NEVER SHUT ANYTHING ENTIRELY.
PEOPLE ARE FREE TO PROVIDE COMMENTS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROCESS AT ANY TIME.
UM, BUT WE DO THINK WE WERE KIND OF SPEAKING ABOUT THIS, UM, AMONGST OURSELVES AS WELL.
UH, THAT AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED PEOPLE TO GET THEIR COMMENTS IN SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IT AS WE'RE DOING THE DRAFTING.
I WILL, I'LL, I WILL JUST BE HONEST, WE DON'T HAVE A CUTOFF DATE RIGHT NOW.
WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE POST THAT CLEARLY EVERYWHERE THAT WE CAN.
UM, BUT IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S NOT GONNA BE QUICK.
IT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, IN A MINIMUM, UH, TWO TO THREE MONTHS THAT FOLKS CAN COMMENT ON THE DIAGNOSTIC.
SO, AND THEN CONTINUE TO COMMENT, YOU KNOW, AFTERWARDS, WE'RE NEVER GONNA SHUT THAT OFF.
SO IT WOULD BE FAIR TO SAY, OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE GOT A JULY 16TH MEETING, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING, I'M PRESUMING THOSE ARE TWO POINTS WHERE YOU MIGHT HEAR ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK.
IT COULD ACTUALLY BE AT LEAST THROUGH THAT.
UM, AND AGAIN, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON TOUCHED ON TWO OF THEM, ONE OF WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE.
UM, I THINK I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S BEING
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REVISED, IT'S NOT GOING AWAY.UM, I THINK ONE, UM, I GUESS COMMENT QUESTION IS, I KNOW IN CHAPTER 51, OUR OLDER CODE, IT WAS SETBACK BASED.
OUR CURRENT CODE MOVED TO THE TRUE SLOPE APPROACH AND HAD THE, YOU KNOW, TWO DIFFERENT, UM, VERSIONS OF THAT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE REFINED.
ARE YOU ANYWHERE IN BETWEEN THOSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE APPROACH IS GONNA BE YET? IS THAT FAIR? IT'S FAIR TO, YES.
WE HAVE NOT TECHNICALLY SORTED OUT THE FULL APPROACH YET.
UM, I'M ALSO, AS YOU HEARD LAST NIGHT, GETTING A LOT OF THAT FEEDBACK.
I WOULD SAY ONE THING THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE IS CONSIDERED WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT IS THAT, UM, IT IS BOTH NEW RESIDENTIAL COMING IN NEAR RESIDENTIAL, BUT IN MY DISTRICT I HAVE A LOT OF AREAS THAT ARE ALSO EITHER COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL BASED.
INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH AGAINST SINGLE FAMILY IS A VERY COMMON CR AND CS ARE ALSO VERY COMMON.
UM, SO IT'S NOT SIMPLY A RESIDENTIAL TO RESIDENTIAL WHERE THERE ARE ISSUES OF COMPATIBILITY, UM, THAT I THINK, UM, SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT ARE INTEGRATED, UM, INTO HOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
SO JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT FOR YOU ALL AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT.
UM, THE OTHER BIG COMMENT I HEARD LAST NIGHT WAS ABOUT EXISTING PDS, AND I KNOW STAFF HAS DONE SOME WORK, YOU ADDRESSED THAT, BUT I THINK I HAD A BIT OF A LIGHT BULB MOMENT, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CORRECT.
UM, WE HAVE PDS THAT ARE 51 OUR ORIGINAL CODE.
WE HAVE CURRENT PDS, I'LL CALL THEM CURRENT, THAT ARE 51 A.
IS IT CORRECT THAT 51 A REMAINS WHEN WE MOVE TO 63? BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT A LOT OF CONCERN IS COMING FROM PDS THAT REFERENCE BASE, CODE BASE 51 A, THAT IF WE CHANGE SOMETHING IN 51 A, IT DOES IMPACT THOSE PDS.
BUT IF WE'RE MOVING TO 63, AND THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, DOES THAT MEAN THAT 51 A IS ESSENTIALLY AVAILABLE FOR THE REFERENCE FOR THOSE PDS? YES.
THE CODE, THE BASE CODE ADOPTED WITH THE PD REMAINS.
SO YOU'RE, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT CLUMSY AND ADMINISTRATION WISE, BUT YOU HAVE TO KEEP ALL THESE CODES.
'CAUSE WHEN THE PDS ADOPTED WITH WHATEVER THAT IS, IT NEEDS TO STAY NEW PDS WOULD HAVE TO START WORKING WITH CHAPTER 63, BUT EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS TO DATE STAYS WITH THE CODE.
IT CAME IN WITH BASICALLY THE, THE ONE IT TOOK TO THE DANCE IS THE ONE THAT IT HAS TO STAY WITH.
SO, AND I JUST, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT NUANCE IS, MAY BE BROADLY UNDERSTOOD.
I WILL SAY IT TOOK ME A MINUTE TO GET THERE.
SO THAT'S, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING, UM, THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE.
I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE SAYING THEY DON'T CHANGE, BUT I THINK UNDERSTANDING THAT DETAIL, UM, MAY BE, AGAIN, MANY PEOPLE PROBABLY ALREADY GOT IT.
I MAY BE LATE TO THE, TO THE SHOW ON THAT.
I WOULD, IF I COULD JUST INTERJECT TOO, I THINK THE ONE, THE ONE CAVEAT TO THAT IS GOING TO BE, UH, SOME OF THE STATE LEGISLATION THAT'S COME DOWN.
I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, SB EIGHT 40 THAT POTENTIALLY COULD IMPACT EXISTING PDS, BUT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE ANSWER THAT, THAT ARISTA GAVE.
AND UNDERSTAND AND THEY ALL SAY AS AMENDED AND WE KNOW WE HAVE OTHER GOVERNING BODIES.
UM, TWO OTHER QUESTIONS IF I MAY.
UM, AND I TOUCHED ON A LITTLE BIT THE INDUSTRIAL TO THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY.
I REALLY DIDN'T TRACK A LOT ABOUT HOW YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT CHANGING INDUSTRIAL, UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK SOME OF OUR DISTRICTS HAVE A UNUSUAL MIX MM-HMM
UM, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THAT, BUT I'LL USE AGAIN, ANOTHER AREA OF MY DISTRICT THAT HAS CR AND I AM ZONING DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.
AND IT LOOKED LIKE THAT WAS MOVING, OR SOME OF THEM WERE MOVING, AND I'M GONNA GET YOUR NAME WRONG, I THINK, BUT BUSINESS INDUSTRIAL, AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT CAPTURED THE INTENSITY OF SOME OF THOSE USES.
AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE AS YOU ALL ARE DEVELOPING THIS LANGUAGE, THAT, AND HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU ALL AND GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE SPECIFIC AREAS.
I KNOW THERE'S OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE SIMILAR, UM, BUT I JUST, I DIDN'T SEE WHAT I EXPECTED TO SEE AND I KNOW IT'S JUST A HIGH LEVEL PRESENTATION MM-HMM
BUT JUST WANTED TO FLAG THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION AS YOU GUYS ARE DEVELOPING SOME OF THIS.
UM, I THINK THOSE ARE MY PRIMARY QUESTIONS.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE TERMINOLOGY USED, UM, FOR CREATING, UH, PARALLEL DISTRICTS.
I, I UNDERSTAND CREATING NEW DISTRICTS, BUT THE WORDING WITH PARALLEL DISTRICTS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE TEXT AND THE HANDOUT THAT YOU, UM, UH, HAD AVAILABLE LAST NIGHT WENT ON TO SAY THAT THEY COULD ALSO, THIS, THESE PARALLEL DISTRICTS COULD BE DEPLOYED AS EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS EVOLVE.
THERE WOULD BE A, A TIME WHEN USING THESE PARALLEL DISTRICTS BECAME APPROPRIATE.
I MEAN, THAT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE AN OVERLAY THAT COULD BE DROPPED OVER AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO CAN YOU KIND OF EXPLAIN ABOUT PARALLEL
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DISTRICTS AND WHEN THEY WOULD BE DEPLOYED AND HOW? UM, I'VE COME TO REGRET USING THE WORD PARALLEL.UH, IT SEEMS TO CONFUSE, I THOUGHT I WAS CLEVER.
UH, PEOPLE, UH, IT, IT DOESN'T QUITE FLAG.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE WERE SAYING THERE IS THEY, THOSE PARALLEL DISTRICTS, WHICH IS A DESCRIPTOR, NOT AN ACTUAL ZONING TERM, UH, WHICH IS AGAIN, WHY I REGRET IT, UM, IS REALLY JUST MEANT TO SAY THAT WE CAN TAKE THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS OR THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS OF THE CODE AND THEN CREATE A NEW SET OF DISTRICTS USING THOSE AS THE BASE THAT ADDS IN, UM, THE ADDITIONAL HOUSING TYPES, THE DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES.
SO IT'D BE AN ENTIRELY NEW SET OF DISTRICTS.
NOW WHERE THOSE GO, WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET.
UM, THE KEY HERE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS CODE HAS ALL THE TOOLS IN THE TOOLKIT THAT YOU NEED, UH, FOR WHEN THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ARISE.
SO WHEN YOU'VE GOT AREAS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT, YOU'RE NOT SCRAMBLING, YOU'RE NOT MAKING A NEW PD FOR THEM.
YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS DISTRICT WORKS CAN CREATE THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'RE SEEKING.
IT'S KIND OF ALL FIGURED OUT ALREADY.
SO PART OF THIS IS A MAPPING ISSUE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN OUR MINDS AT THIS POINT AS TO WHERE THESE DISTRICTS ARE GOING TO GO.
THEY WILL BE A NEW BASE DISTRICT.
UM, AND SO WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT FOR THEM TO COME ONTO THE MAP, UH, WHENEVER THAT MAY BE, IT'S OBVIOUSLY IT'S A REZONING.
SO THERE'S AN ENTIRE PUBLIC PROCESS THAT'S INVOLVED IN THAT.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS IN THE DARK.
UM, BUT YEAH, PARALLEL IS A DESCRIPTOR.
SO YEAH, AND JUST TO SAY TOO THAT THE, THE IDEA OF USING THE TERM PARALLEL IS, SO WE'VE GOT A PALLET OF EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS, RIGHT? R SEVEN FIVE, R 10, UM, THAT THESE DISTRICTS WOULD KIND OF DIMENSIONALLY MATCH UP WITH THOSE, BUT JUST ADD IN THE NEW HOUSING TYPES.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE, WERE USING THE TERM PARALLEL.
I, I I THINK PARALLEL DID NOT SERVE YOU WELL.
I THINK THOSE OF US WHO THINK ABOUT PARALLEL UNIVERSES AND SHADOW REALITIES FLOATING OUT THERE WAITING TO
I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW WAS GONNA FIT INTO YOUR MATRIX TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF A, A SHADOW HANGING OVER IT.
UM, GOING BACK TO THE ISSUE OF, UH, INDUSTRIAL ZONING, UM, I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER LET A DISCUSSION OF INDUSTRIAL ZONING PASS WITHOUT SAYING SOMETHING
BUT THEN I REPRESENT DISTRICT SIX, WHICH IS WEST DALLAS AND NORTHWEST DALLAS.
UM, YES, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MANY, MANY AREAS IN, UH, AND DISTRICT SIX WHERE WE HAVE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTI-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS WITH, YOU KNOW, BORDERLINE ADJACENCY WITH I-R-I-M-C-S AND THE CURRENT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CALL IT SOME THINGS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
WE HAVE CS, WHICH IS NOW GONNA BE, UH, BUSINESS INDUSTRIAL.
THOSE NEED TO BE LOOKED AT VERY CAREFULLY IN TERMS OF WHERE THEY EXIST WITH RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY.
'CAUSE WHILE THERE ARE DEFINITELY INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE COMPATIBLE, THERE ARE OTHERS THAT ARE WILDLY INCOMPATIBLE.
SO I, I WOULD DEFINITELY STRESS, I MEAN, I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY GOTTEN THE MESSAGE, BUT I, I CAN'T REITERATE IT TOO STRONGLY THAT, THAT A VERY CLOSE LOOK NEEDS TO LOOK AT TO, TO GO INTO THAT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THAT SITUATION, UM, WHICH PROBABLY NEVER SHOULD HAVE EXISTED, BUT IT DOES.
SO WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH OUR REALITY.
SO YES, UM, WE, UH, WE, WE GOT THE MESSAGE LOUD AND CLEAR THAT INDUSTRIAL REALLY NEEDS TO BE SORTED.
IT NEEDS TO BE SPECIFIC AND CLEAR WHAT ALL THESE DISTRICTS MEAN.
UM, THERE'S THAT SECONDARY COMPONENT OF WHERE ARE THEY ON THE MAP, IS THAT THE MOST APPROPRIATE AREA? SO THIS IS ALL KIND OF, WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD THIS MESSAGE AND IT'S, IT'S LOUD AND CLEAR AND WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT 'EM CAREFULLY.
AND TO ADD ONE THING, I, I DON'T KNOW, NO ONE'S EVER BEEN ABLE TO TRACK DOWN HOW THIS HAPPENED, BUT RIGHT NOW, COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING IS CLASSIFIED AS A RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE USE, WHICH MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT WITH A HUNDRED DIESEL TRUCKS COMING AND GOING ALL NIGHT IS, YOU KNOW, RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE.
I MEAN, THESE NEED TO BE, LOOK, THEY NEED TO BE APPROPRIATELY LOCATED IN THE CODE.
THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF CONFUSION EVEN AT THE CODE COMPLIANCE LEVEL BETWEEN OUR CURRENT, UM, CATEGORIES OF COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT, WHICH IS REALLY A SURFACE PARKING LOT FOR PASSENGER VEHICLES AND COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF CHURN IN CODE COMPLIANCE.
THEY SEE THE WORD COMMERCIAL AND THEY THINK THAT COMMERCIAL VEHICLES CAN PARK IN BOTH OF THESE PLACES.
SO IF THERE CAN BE SOME SORT OF CLEAR DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THOSE TWO AND APPROPRIATE SIDING, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
YEAH, JUST ONE, UM, FOLLOW UP COMMENT.
I THINK LIKE COMMISSIONER CAMPTON, I HAD AN AHA MOMENT AT ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS WHEN SOMEONE WAS ASKING ABOUT HOW PDS WORK AND THAT 51 AND 51 A WILL WILL STAY IN THE CODE.
UM, JUST, JUST ONE WHEN WE GET 63.
ONE THING TO THINK ABOUT, AND MAYBE Y'ALL CAN BE ADVOCATES FOR THIS OR PROVIDE AT LEAST HELPFUL SUGGESTIONS, IS I FIND OUR CURRENT,
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YOU KNOW, CITY CODE WEBSITE VERY FRUSTRATING AND NOT USER FRIENDLY.I DO SOME, YOU KNOW, LAND USE WORK IN OTHER AREA MUNICIPALITIES, AND SOMETIMES THEY PRESENT THEIR CODES IN VERY DIFFERENT WAYS, WHETHER IT'S A PDF, STANDALONE ZONING CODE, OR ON DIFFERENT SORTS OF WEBSITES.
SO AS YOU THINK ABOUT HOW CHAPTER 63 COMES INTO LIFE, I HOPE YOU'LL MAKE HELPFUL SUGGESTIONS TO THE CITY ABOUT HOW IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO ACTUALLY WORK WITH THE PHYSICAL CODE.
ITSELF, BECAUSE OUR, OUR CURRENT CODE WEBSITE IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T FIND VERY USEFUL OR HELPFUL.
UM, THAT IS PART OF OUR CHARGE IS TO HELP THE CITY KIND OF DETERMINE HOW, UH, HOW TO TAKE THE CODE ONLINE AND MAKE IT MORE USER-FRIENDLY.
UH, WE ARE NOT CODERS, UM, SO WE'RE NOT MAKING THAT CODE, BUT WE'VE, UM, IN PARTICULAR, MITCH HAS BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK ON THIS, LOOKING AT THINGS, PROVIDING OPTIONS.
BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THE CITY BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE NOT MAINTAINING THE CODE, THE CODE'S DONE AND FINISHED AND OUT THERE.
UM, SO, UH, I KNOW THERE'S CONVERSATIONS GOING ON ABOUT THAT AT THE CITY ABOUT WHAT THE KIND OF END RESULT OF THAT WILL BE.
AND I IMAGINE YOU'VE SEEN CODES AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES BROUGHT TO LIFE IN DIFFERENT FORMATS AND WAYS.
SO IF YOU DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WAYS THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE IT VERY SUCCESSFULLY, THAT THAT FEEDBACK WOULD BE VERY MUCH WELCOME.
EVEN IF Y'ALL ARE NOT ULTIMATELY CODERS.
I IMAGINE Y'ALL HAVE SEEN YOUR WORK PRODUCT GO OUT INTO THE WORLD.
YEAH, WE'VE, UH, WE'VE BEEN COMPILING THAT DATA ALREADY JUST TO KIND OF PROVIDE EXAMPLES OF HOW OTHER PLACES ARE DOING IT.
UM, AND THEN KIND OF HOW THEY MAINTAIN IT, HOW, YES, I SHOULD JUST SAY YES.
AND YOU SPECIFICALLY REFER TO A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT.
ARE, ARE, ARE YOU PLANNING TO INCORPORATE A COMMERCIAL USE INTO OUR DISTRICTS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS WITH THIS REFORM? UM, SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING WITHIN, UH, I'M, I'M MAKING SURE THAT I HAVE THE EXACT RIGHT PAGE ON HERE.
SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS REALLY MEMORIALIZING ONES THAT EXIST NOW.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT IS A SPECIFIC TYPE OF USE WHERE YOU'VE GOT A NON-COMMERCIAL USE, IT'S CALLED THE CORNER STORE.
IT'S TYPICALLY ON THE CORNER, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT.
UM, BUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS REALLY TO ALLOW ONES THAT ARE ALREADY PRESENT, DESIGNED AS A NON-COMMERCIAL OR NON-RESIDENTIAL USE THAT ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING TO ALLOW THOSE TO CONTINUE.
SO RATHER TAKING THEM OUT OF KIND OF NON-CONFORMING STATUS, UM, BECAUSE IT'S ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THEY'RE HERE.
UM, SOME OTHER DISTRICTS MAY WANNA LOOK AT THIS AND SEE, LIKE, AS WE LOOK AT THE, AND GOD FORBID I SAY IT AGAIN, PARALLEL DISTRICTS, UH, THERE MIGHT BE SOME DESIRE TO MAYBE INCORPORATE SOME SMALL COMMERCIAL IN THERE.
BUT FOR WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE THE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT STUFF THAT IS OUT THERE NOW.
AND I THINK IN A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS IT'S NOT THERE.
SO IT WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T BE ADDING IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THERE ANYWAY.
THIS IS REALLY FOR SOMETHING THAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW THAT'S IN A NON-CONFORMING STATUS, WOULDN'T, UM, COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS LIKE CORNER STORES BE ZONED AS CR TODAY? UM, I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA READILY AVAILABLE, UM, THAT THEY WOULD, THAT ALL OF THEM WOULD BE ZONED THAT IN MANY CASES WHAT WE'VE SEEN, JUST KIND OF JUST THE WAY THINGS HAPPEN IS SINCE THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOREVER, UM, THEY JUST KIND OF GET ABSORBED INTO THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THIS, IF THIS ISN'T NECESSARY, AGAIN, IT'S A PROPOSAL.
IF THIS ISN'T NECESSARY, THEN IT DOESN'T HAVE TO CARRY THROUGH ON THE CODE.
WELL, CON, CONSIDERING THE STATE HAS JUST PASSED, UH, UH, UH, A LAW THAT'S BEEN SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR THAT SAYS THAT ANY UH, UH, DISTRICT THAT IS ZONED CR CAN ALLOW FOR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, UH, I, I I I THINK THAT, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD BE RESISTANT TO THE IDEA OF INCORPORATING A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AS A LAND USE WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
I MEAN, THE, THE BENEFIT OF THIS WOULD BE IN RELATION TO THAT STATE LAW.
THIS WOULD BE A USE THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED WITHIN SOME RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
SO THEY WOULD STILL BE CLASSIFIED AS RESIDENTIAL.
SO THEY WOULDN'T FALL UNDER THAT MIXED USE MULTIFAMILY PERMISSION THAT THE STATE HAS DONE.
'CAUSE IT WORKS WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
UM, AGAIN, WE NEED TO KIND OF REALLY START DIGGING INTO THAT STATE LAW A LITTLE BIT MORE.
WE ARE AWARE OF IT, UM, AND REALLY KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FULL KIND OF RANGE OF IMPACTS ARE WITH IT.
YEAH, AND I I WOULD JUST ADD TOO, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE KIND OF A NUMBER OF WAYS
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TO, TO GET AT THIS ISSUE.UM, WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER COMMUNITIES WHERE THERE IS A DESIRE TO ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR POTENTIALLY NEW CORNER STORES OR NEW NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS TO COME IN.
OBVIOUSLY IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT'S ALLOWED, IT'S SUBJECT TO AN ENTIRE SERIES OF STANDARDS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE CONTROLLING POTENTIAL IMPACTS.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WANT ADDITIONAL OPTIONS WITHIN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS OR IN PROXIMITY TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS TO IMPROVE THE KIND OF PEDESTRIAN ORIENTATION AND WALKABILITY.
THIS COULD BE ONE TOOL FOR THAT, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S REALLY JUST MEMORIALIZING AND ACKNOWLEDGING THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE AND BRINGING THEM OUT A NON-CONFORMING STATUS OR REALLY KIND OF CAREFULLY TAILORING OPTIONS FOR A CERTAIN LIMITED RANGE OF COMMERCIAL USES WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT, BUT THERE ARE PROVISIONS IN OUR CODE TODAY TO ALLOW FOR THAT.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT A MIXED USE DISTRICT, YOU'VE GOT COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, I MEAN YEP.
IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S NOT A A ZONING CATEGORY FOR THAT, FOR THOSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, A A LOT OF PLACES, UM, WILL CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, REZONING A CORNER FOR COMMERCIAL USE.
I THINK POTENTIALLY ONE OF THE BENEFITS, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF STATE LAW AND SOME PEOPLE'S DISCOMFORT WITH THE IDEA OF THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF, OF THIS NEW STATE LAW IS THAT WE WOULDN'T BE POTENTIALLY REZONING AREAS TO COMMERCIAL WITHIN THAT CLOSE PROXIMITY OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND CREATING THOSE POTENTIAL IMPACTS.
BUT RATHER THIS WOULD BE A REALLY KIND OF LIMITED NARROW, LOW IMPACT SERIES OF COMMERCIAL USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
SO WITHOUT A REZONING THAT WOULD BE NEEDED.
UM, YOU KNOW, LAST I WENT TO THE, YOUR MEETING AT THE CEDAR CREST NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, CEDAR CREST GOLF COURSE, UH, FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT.
AND Y'ALL HAD THE CHART WHERE YOU SHOW ALL THE DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS TODAY R FIVE AND R 10, AND R SEVEN FIVE AND R 16 AND, AND, AND ALL THAT.
AND, AND YOU SHOW ONE OF THE COLUMNS WAS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PERCENTAGE OF LOTS IN THOSE DISTRICTS THAT ARE UNDER THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE.
AND FOR INSTANCE, IN THE R 75 DISTRICT, YOU SHOWED THAT 23.9% OF THE, UH, YOU KNOW, LOTS AND R 75 DISTRICTS ARE UNDER THAT MINIMUM LOT SIZE.
AND YOU'RE PROPOSING, ACCORDING TO THE LANGUAGE IN THIS DIAGNOSTIC, A REZONING OF ALL THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS TO KIND OF ALLOW FOR MORE DENSITY.
SO WE WOULD CHANGE THOSE 23.9% OF LOTS IN OUR FIVE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND WE WOULD REZONE THOSE TO R FIVE TO ALLOW FOR MORE DENSITY.
WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR THAT REZONING? WELL, SO THERE'S KIND OF TWO THINGS.
UM, WHEN WE'VE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE AREAS AND IF THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT THESE BIG GROUPS OF 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS AND AN R SEVEN FIVE, UM, IT DOESN'T INCREASE THE DENSITY.
IT ACKNOWLEDGES THE EXISTING DENSITY THAT'S THERE.
IT ACKNOWLEDGES THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S, I MEAN, TECHNICALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DISTRICT NUMBERS, IT, IT, IT IS, BUT IT REALITY, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
THAT'S WHAT IT IS ON THE GROUND.
UM, THAT IS AGAIN, KIND OF A MAPPING ISSUE.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S A PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO, DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO HAPPEN, BUT THAT WOULD BE PART OF A MAPPING CHANGE.
AND AGAIN, PART OF A BIGGER PUBLIC PROCESS.
UM, THE INTENT THERE REALLY IS TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THOSE EXISTING HOMES ON 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS TO GET OUT OF NON-CONFORMING STATUS.
UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE R SEVEN FIVE, THE R FIVE, THE R 10, ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, THE USES ARE THE SAME IN WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED.
IT'S ALL JUST SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IF THEY WERE TO CHANGE, IT'S A PUBLIC PROCESS PRESENTED ON A MAP UP FOR PUBLIC DEBATE, AGAIN, COMING BEFORE THE CPC AND THE COUNCIL, UM, TO SEE IF YOU DO WANT TO MAKE THAT CHANGE TO ACKNOWLEDGE KIND OF THEIR EXISTING PATTERNS OF DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THAT WOULD BE ON AN INDIVIDUAL CASE BY CASE BASIS, NOT A MA WE WOULDN'T HAVE A, WE WOULD NEED TO, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE KIND OF THE MAP AS A WHOLE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROCESS KIND OF FULLY WORKED OUT YET.
WE'LL GO, UH, COMMERCIAL HALL, HERBERT VINKY, AND THEN WE'LL GO, UH, SECOND ROUND.
UM, I, I'M NOT SURE IF MY QUESTION IS ADDRESSED TO OUR CONSULTANTS HERE OR TO THE COMMISSION, BUT WHEN I HEAR THE TERM PROTECTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? UH, DOES THAT MEAN IT MEANS, I THINK IT MEANS DIFFERENT THINGS TO ALL 15 OF US.
AND SO I THINK WE NEED SOME CLARITY ON THAT OR, UH, DEFINITION, YOU KNOW, UH, MY DISTRICT 13 IS 90 PLUS PERCENT SINGLE FAMILY
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AND SO DOES THAT MEAN WE CAN'T DO ANY ZONING CHANGES IN MY DISTRICT? OR DOES IT MEAN, WELL, WHAT DOES PROTECTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS MEAN? AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS NOW OF CONSIDERING TWO OR THREE CASES WHERE WE, WHERE WE ARE CHANGING SINGLE FAMILIES ZONING TO MORE DENSE OR TO NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES OR SO FORTH.UH, BUT THESE ARE ON CORNERS OF INTERSECTIONS, UH, AND, AND ON MAJOR THOROUGHFARES AND STUFF.
SO DOES PROTECTING THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD MEAN THAT IT CAN'T CHANGE OR THAT IT COULD CHANGE? AND IN WHAT MANNER COULD IT CHANGE? I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A QUESTION YOU CAN ANSWER TODAY, AND, AND I DON'T, MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION THE COMMISSION COULD DO SOME WORK ON, BUT IT MEANS DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT ONES OF US.
AND I, I THINK SOME CLARITY WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
UM, JUST TO ADD, KIND OF ON OUR END, FOR US, IT'S CREATING THE TOOLS FOR THE POLICY THAT YOU WANNA IMPLE, THAT YOU WANNA HAVE THE POLICIES THAT YOU ADOPT TO IMPLEMENT.
SO FOR US, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE LOOKING AT CREATING SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS THAT REALLY, THAT IS THE, THE LAND USE IS SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT YOU KNOW, A ZONING CODE IS FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE.
SO THERE'S A WHOLE VARIETY OF, OF, OF DISTRICTS IN THERE.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF THOSE NEW DISTRICTS WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSITY AND DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TYPE, MAKING THE POLICY DECISION TO CHANGE AREAS ON A MAP RIGHT NOW THAT OUR SINGLE FAMILY TO SOMETHING ELSE IS A LARGER POLICY DECISION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE BY CPC AND COUNCIL.
AND, UM, THOSE KIND OF BRINGING FORTH THOSE ISSUES ON THE MAP.
SO FROM OUR END, IT'S, WE GIVE YOU THE TOOLS, WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANNA DO WITH THEM? SO
AND SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY DOING IS KIND OF DRAWING FROM FORWARD DALLAS IN TERMS OF THE GUIDANCE THAT FORWARD DALLAS PROVIDES IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS.
UM, AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF LANGUAGE IN THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, ON THE, THE IDENTIFYING STABLE AREAS AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE ARE STRATEGIES TO DIRECT INCOMPATIBLE GROWTH AWAY FROM THESE AREAS OF STABILITY AND INTO AREAS WHERE DEVELOPMENT CAN BE A FORCE FOR HEALTHY CHANGE.
UH, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF CREATING THE RULES AROUND DEVELOPMENT, IT'S LIKE ARISTA SAID, IT'S, IT'S MAKING SURE THAT THE TOOLS ARE IN PLACE SO THAT YOU ALL CAN INTERPRET THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHAT THAT MEANS FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE.
WELL, I JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE SOME CLARITY ON IT.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HERBERT.
UM, COUPLE QUESTIONS, UM, STARTING WITH, UM, AND A LOT OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ANSWERED AND, AND STARTED THESE CONVERSATIONS, SO FORGIVE ME IF THEY'RE KIND OF DUPLICATED, BUT WE HAVE THE LANGUAGE THAT IS BEING PRESENTED, UM, AND THE, THE VERBIAGE THAT'S BEING PUT OUT THERE BY, UM, OPPONENTS OF THIS ALREADY ARE ABOUT THE DUPLEX, TRIPLEX, THE PLEX LANGUAGE, AND THE GENTLE DENSITY LANGUAGE, UM, THAT WANNA COME IN THE DISTRICT.
UM, COULD YOU EXPLAIN IN MORE DETAIL HOW THIS COULD BUILD UPON EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY ZONING AND LOOKING AT STATE LAWS AROUND MATERIAL AND WHAT WE CAN DETERMINE ON HOW THINGS ARE BUILT? WE DO HAVE SOME ROOM AROUND DESIGN STANDARDS.
HAVE YOU GUYS CONSIDERED DESIGN STANDARDS AND PUSHING THOSE LIMITS IN, UM, THE CODE REFORM? UM, WELL, IN REGARD TO DESIGN STANDARDS, UM, I, WE'VE BEEN SAYING WE'RE, WE'RE VERY CLEAR ON THIS.
WE WANNA GIVE YOU MORE DESIGN STANDARDS IN EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND MULTIFAMILY.
SO, UM, WE WANNA INTEGRATE DESIGN AND FORM THROUGHOUT ALL OF THE DISTRICTS FOR ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT TYPES.
UM, I, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HELPS CONTROL COMPATIBILITY BETWEEN THINGS AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DOING, UM, IN TERMS OF THESE DISTRICTS THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR DUPLEX, TRIPLEX, AND QUADRUPLEX.
AGAIN, THESE WOULD BE NEW DISTRICTS.
WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
BUT THE THING IS, IS YOU'RE, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS TYPE OF POLICY IN FORWARD DALLAS, SO THE CODE HAS TO HAVE A TOOL THAT HELPS YOU IMPLEMENT THAT.
HOW YOU IMPLEMENT THAT ON THE MAP IS SOMETHING THAT'S UP, UP FOR DEBATE, WHETHER IT HAPPENS NOW, IT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO TAKE THAT IMPETUS FROM THE PLAN AND CREATE THE DISTRICTS THAT WORK FOR WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS.
SO, UM, ANOTHER INTERESTING THING THAT COMES UP IN OUR CITY, UM, AND THAT OTHER CITIES DO VERY WELL, AND OUR CITY HAS SOME VERY NICE POCKET NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL.
COTTAGE COURT TYPE NEIGHBORHOODS.
YOU GUYS CONSIDERED INCLUDING SOME OF THOSE IN OUR STANDARDS AS WELL? YES.
UH, WE ACTUALLY, THEY'RE OUTLINED IN THE, UM, IN THE, IN THE CODE DIAGNOSTIC, PLEASE PICK THE TERM THAT
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YOU WOULD LIKE TO USE.'CAUSE WE HAVE DEBATES INTERNALLY, WHETHER IT'S COTTAGE COURT OR POCKET NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, MAKE THAT DECISION FOR US.
SO CHRIS AND I DON'T ARGUE, UH, BUT YEAH, WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT VERY FREQUENTLY IN A NUMBER OF CITIES PROVIDING THAT DEVELOPMENT TYPE OPTION.
UM, MY FINAL QUESTION IN REGARDS TO OTHER CITIES, UM, HAVE WE CONSIDERED OFFERING PROOF APPROVED KIND OF ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS, UM, AROUND ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS SIMILAR TO CITIES LIKE SAN DIEGO? UM, THEY, THEY'VE BEEN KNOWN TO REDUCE PERMITTING TIME, UM, LOWER DESIGN COSTS FOR HOMEOWNERS AND ENSURE THAT THE ADUS ALIGN WITH LOCAL STANDARDS AND NEIGHBORHOOD STANDARDS.
HAVE WE CONSIDERED A PROGRAM LIKE THAT FOR OUR ADUS? UH, YEAH.
SO WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY ENGAGE WITH THE CREATION OF, YOU KNOW, PRE-APPROVED ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS AMONG STAFF, UH, ABOUT POTENTIALLY PUSHING IN THAT DIRECTION FOR CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT FORMS. SO WE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD VERY EASILY ACKNOWLEDGE WITHIN OUR WORK AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
COMMISSIONER DOKI, FATHER COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN.
UM, SO HOW MANY SESSIONS HAVE YOU DONE SO FAR? UM, TONIGHT WILL BE THE FIFTH.
AND IS THERE MAYBE LIKE ONE, TWO OR THREE EMERGING THEMES YOU'VE SEEN SO FAR FROM THE COMMENTARY HOUSING? THAT'S THE BIG ONE.
UM, BOTH ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE.
UM, CREATING MORE DIVERSITY IN HOUSING TYPES AND, AND DEVELOPMENT TYPES WITHIN, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL AS ALLOWING FOR ADU AND THEN THOSE WHO ARE VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO THAT AND WANT TO KEEP THINGS, YOU KNOW, KEEP SINGLE FAMILY, JUST SINGLE FAMILY, NO ADUS, UM, INDUSTRIAL ISSUES WITH INDUSTRIAL, I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU'VE HEARD AROUND THE TABLE THIS MORNING.
UM, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE VERY MINDFUL OF THOSE COMPATIBILITY ISSUES WITH INDUSTRIAL, MAKING SURE INDUSTRIAL IS WELL-DEFINED AND THAT THE DISTRICTS, YOU KNOW, REALLY DO REFLECT THE TYPE OF INDUSTRIAL THAT'S GOING ON WITHIN THEM.
UM, AND THEN, UM, OBVIOUSLY SOME ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUES, THINGS LIKE THE SPECIAL, UH, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, THE SPS, UM, AND KIND OF THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, REALLY REMOVING THE, THE RENEWALS THAT ARE REQUIRED AROUND THEM.
SO THERE'S SOME CONCERN BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THESE HAVE BEEN USED TO CONTROL SOME OF THE, THE MORE THE USES THAT CREATE A LOT OF LAND USE CONFLICT.
THAT IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE WE'VE HEARD.
AND, UM, FOR THESE SESSIONS, DO YOU GUYS HAVE SIGN IN SHEETS WHERE YOU'RE COLLECTING NAMES OF PEOPLE ATTENDING? YES.
UM, AT THE END, ARE YOU GONNA GATHER A REPORT IN TERMS OF LIKE HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTENDED UNIQUE PEOPLE FROM WHAT DISTRICTS AND WHATNOT TO SEE WHERE THE VOICES CAME FROM? UH, YES.
WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR ZIP CODES.
SO, UM, AND WE'LL BE WORKING WITH STAFF TO CREATE HEAT MAPS TO SEE WHERE THE COMMENTS ARE COMING FROM.
UM, SO WE'VE GOT, OR WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE ATTENDING FROM ON THE WEBSITE, WE WOULD BE GATHERING THAT INFORMATION IN TERMS OF, OF WHERE THE DATA'S COMING FROM.
UM, WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AT THE WRITTEN COMMENTS WE'VE RECEIVED AT THE MEETINGS IS WHERE THE MEETING WAS.
WE DON'T HAVE THEIR ZIP CODE INFORMATION.
REALLY, THOSE CARDS ARE, ARE ANONYMOUSLY PROVIDED TO US, BUT WE KNOW WHAT DISTRICT THEY CAME FROM, WHAT OR WHAT SECTION OF THE CITY THEY CAME FROM.
SO, YEAH, WE'RE HOPING TO COMPILE A BUNCH OF THAT DATA.
AND ARE YOU GONNA HAVE A SENSE OF LIKE HOW MANY UNIQUE PEOPLE SHOWED UP? UM, YEAH.
I MEAN, WE'RE ENTERING IN THE DATA SHEET, SO AS LONG AS NOBODY'S LYING ABOUT THEIR NAME, RIGHT.
UH, WE'LL KNOW WHO CAME TO HOW MANY MEETINGS AND THE, AND THE, LIKE, SO WE'LL BE KIND OF LISTING THEM BY THE, THE LOCATION WE HAD THEM IN SO WE CAN IDENTIFY WHO'S, WHO'S BEEN REPEATING THERE.
AND, AND GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.
UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION AROUND SUVS AND CONCERNS ABOUT MAKING SUVS PERMANENT.
UH, I DO HAVE A, A SPECIFIC QUESTION ON, UH, ONE OF THE UTILITIES THAT WE'VE USED SUVS FOR, AND I WANT TO GET YOUR, YOUR TAKE ON IT AND SPECIFICALLY, UH, FOR CORNER STORES, UH, HISTORICALLY AND OTHER COMMISSIONERS CAN O OPINE ON THIS, BUT SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION, I, I'VE SEEN SUVS USED, UH, TO ALLOW CORNER STORES TO SELL ALCOHOL.
AND WE'VE USED THOSE, THESE SUVS TO MONITOR, UM, YOU KNOW, TO MONITOR THE AREA, UH, TO ENSURE THAT THESE CORNER STORES DON'T CONTRIBUTE TO, TO BLIGHT.
UH, AS YOU KNOW THAT IN CERTAIN AREAS, UH, PEOPLE GO IN AND BUY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES MM-HMM
JUST DRINK, YOU KNOW, RIGHT THERE ON SITE.
AND THERE'S OTHER MITIGATING THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN, BUT AT LEAST AS A COMMISSION, IT ALLOWS US TO MONITOR IT AND THAT, UH, THAT THE APPLICANTS ARE BEING GOOD CITIZENS AND DOING WHAT THEY CAN TO
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PREVENT THAT BLIGHT.SO IN OTHER CITIES, DO THEY USE SUVS IN, IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE DO TO MONITOR CORNER STORES AND THE CELLS OF, OF, OF, OF ALCOHOLIC ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES? AND IF NOT, UH, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS, UH, THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE INCORPORATING IN THIS PLAN THAT WILL ALLOW THE MONITORING OF THAT, UM, WITHOUT THE SUP BEING PERMANENT? OKAY.
UM, THERE ARE CITIES OFTEN, ESPECIALLY WITH ALCOHOL RELATED USES IN CERTAIN PLACES, WILL MAKE THEM A, A SPECIAL USE OR AN SUP.
BUT OTHER CITIES, YOU'RE THE FIRST CITY WE'VE SEEN THAT HAS A RENEWAL PERIOD TIED TO THAT SUP, BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY THE SPECIAL USE RUNS WITH THE LAND.
AND SO YOU'RE NOT USING IT, IT'S A LAND USE, IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S TIED TO THE LAND USE.
IT'S NOT TIED TO KIND OF THE OPERATOR OR VARIOUS THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN THE POLICE POWERS.
UM, MANY PLACES WILL TAKE THAT KIND OF USE, TIE IT TO A SPECIAL USE, DO A SPECIAL USE APPROVAL, AND ATTACH CONDITIONS.
IF YOU'RE NOT MEETING THE CONDITIONS THAT THAT SUP CAN BE REVOKED BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY YOU'VE BEEN GRANTED THE PERMISSION TO DO THIS AND YOU'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SAYING IT'S ALL OKAY.
SO WHATEVER USE IS THERE, AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE CONDITIONS, IT CAN GO, IT CAN BE REVOKED.
UM, WHEN THESE TYPES OF USES CAUSE ADDITIONAL IMPACTS, IT'S REALLY A POLICE POWER.
IT'S MEANT TO DEAL WITH THINGS LIKE NUISANCE.
UM, YOU'VE GOT NUISANCE CODES, YOU'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS THAT, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODES THAT ALL COME INTO EFFECT.
THAT SHOULD BE WHAT'S BEING USED TO MONITOR THOSE.
BECAUSE ZONING AT, AT ITS HEART IS JUST LAND USE.
IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE KIND OF A, A POLICING POWER IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, A BAD OPERATOR.
UM, OTHER PLACES, UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, I'M FROM CHICAGO.
THEY REVOKE THE BUSINESS LICENSE.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ZONING.
THEY JUST COME AND YANK THE BUSINESS LICENSE IF THERE'S CONSTANT PROBLEMS HAPPENING, UM, WITH CERTAIN ESTABLISHMENTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE, DID I COVER EVERYTHING? NO, I, I, I THINK ARISTA COVERED MOST EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, THERE'S ALSO SORT OF THE INTERPLAY BETWEEN THE A, B, C, AND, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE A LICENSE TO BE SELLING THAT LIQUOR AND IT'S CAUSING PROBLEMS, THEN THAT'S POTENTIALLY ANOTHER LEVER ALSO THAT COULD BE PULLED.
AND HOW EFFECTIVE HAS THAT BEEN CONSIDERING THAT CURRENT ENFORCEMENT IS ALREADY STRETCHED AND THERE'S A PRIORITY FOR, FOR ENFORCEMENT? SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE TAKING THE, THE BIG ISSUES FIRST.
SO FROM A A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, NOW, HOW OFTEN ARE THESE SUVS, UH, BEING REVOKED NOW GOING THROUGH THE, THE, THE PROCESS OF BEING REVOKED AS A RESULT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THESE OTHER CITIES WHO HAVE ADOPTED WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING? UM, QUITE FRANKLY, I DON'T KNOW.
UH, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S JUST STANDARD PRACTICE AND STANDARD ZONING LANGUAGE.
WE DON'T GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING THERE.
I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, WHEN YOU KIND OF LOOK AT IT JUST ANECDOTAL, UM, ANECDOTAL INFORMATION, A LOT OF IT'S REVOKING THE BUSINESS LICENSE.
IT'S BASICALLY SAYING, OR LIKE CHRIS SAID, YOU KNOW, THE A BC, THE ALCOHOL BEVERAGE CONTROL BOARD SAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE VIOLATING OUR PROVISIONS.
WE'RE YANKING YOUR ABILITY TO SELL ALCOHOL WHEN ALCOHOL, A LOT OF TIMES THAT IS THE BIG ONE THAT CAUSES THE MOST ISSUES, JUST TO BE FRANK.
AND I, AND I THINK JUST KIND OF FUNDAMENTALLY THE, ONE OF THE CORE ISSUES WITH THE RENEWAL OF AN SUP IS THAT IT ESSENTIALLY TREATS EVERYBODY WHO APPLIES FOR THAT SUP AS THOUGH THEY'RE POTENTIALLY A BAD ACTOR, RIGHT? SO IT'S SETTING THIS TIME LIMIT AND SAYING, WE'RE GONNA CHECK UP ON YOU IN A COUPLE YEARS, BECAUSE WE THINK THAT THE ISSUE IS NOT NECESSARILY WITH THIS LAND USE, BUT WE THINK THAT THE ISSUE IS THAT POTENTIALLY THERE ARE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, ISSUES WITH YOU OPERATING AND DEVELOPING THIS LAND USE.
SO WHAT THAT DOES IS IT KIND OF PUTS EVERYBODY UNDER THIS UNPREDICTABLE ENVIRONMENT WHERE IN TWO YEARS, MY SUP COULD POTENTIALLY BE YANKED, UM, WHEN THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER AVENUES IN, IN MOST CITIES IN DALLAS INCLUDED TO IDENTIFY AND TO STOP KIND OF BAD ACTORS, BAD BUSINESSES, WHETHER IT'S THE BUSINESS LICENSE, WHETHER IT'S A B, C COMING IN, UH, FOR SOMETHING LIKE ALCOHOL, UM, THAT THE IDEA WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD.
YOU PULL SOME OF THOSE OTHER LEVERS INSTEAD OF SUBJECTING EVERYBODY, EVERY SUP TO THE SAME SORT OF LEVEL OF SCRUTINY AS IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE CAUSING THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES.
I'LL HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THAT WHENEVER WE, UH, REVISIT.
UH, BUT, UH, SWITCHING GEARS REAL QUICK.
UH, WHEN WILL THE NEXT, UH, VIRTUAL SESSIONS, SO WHEN WILL THE, THE VIRTUAL SESSIONS, UH, BEGIN? UH, JULY 16TH, WE'RE GOING TO DO ONE, UH, AT NOON AND THEN ONE AT 6:00 PM UM, THE INFORMATION FOR THOSE WILL GO UP ON THE WEBSITE NEXT WEEK, AND THERE'S NO OTHERS CURRENTLY SCHEDULED BEYOND THE, UH, THE 16TH BEYOND.
UH, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE WILL BE BACK ON AUGUST 20TH TO MEET WITH COUNSEL AND DO THE PRESENTATION THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
SO WE'LL BE BACK ON AUGUST 20TH FOR THAT.
COMMISSION ANYONE ELSE IN FIRST ROUND BEFORE WE GO TO SECOND
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ROUND? OKAY.WE'LL BEGIN WITH COMMISSIONER KINGSTON SECOND ROUND.
SO ARE YOU AWARE OF WHAT OUR PROCESS TYPICALLY IS TO REVOKE AN SUP? UM, JUST WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING WITH STAFF AND WHAT WE'VE HEARD HERE.
WHAT IS IT FOR THE SUP RENEWAL? NO, TO REVOKE AN SUP OH I, THE PROCESS HERE.
I DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS HERE.
SO TYPICALLY SOMEONE HAS TO AUTHORIZE A HEARING TO REVOKE A SUP.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT OUR AUTHORIZED HEARING BACKLOG IS IN THIS CITY? UH, WE ARE AWARE THAT THERE'S A A LOT GOING ON.
DO YOU KNOW, IT TOOK ME TWO MONTHS TO EVEN GET A LIST OF THE AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT ARE PENDING IN THE CITY.
AND THEN I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR OVER TWO MONTHS FOR A PLAN TO GET THROUGH THE BACKLOG, AND I STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT ANSWER.
SO CAN YOU UNDERSTAND WHY SOME OF US SITTING AROUND THE HORSESHOE AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN, IN THE PUBLIC REALM ARE SKEPTICAL ABOUT DOING AWAY WITH SUP RENEWALS UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS? YES.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN REALLY IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LOOKING AT THE ABILITY TO REVOKE THE SUP, I CAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND THIS CONCERN.
UM, AND I'M REALLY JUST FOCUSED ON PROCESS GENERALLY RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A DOCUMENT TO LOOK AT THE DETAILS.
AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO AVOID THE ANGST THAT WE HAD WITH FORWARD DALLAS IN THIS PROCESS.
UM, AND I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE LIST THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU ALL FROM OUR STAFF OF THE QUOTE STAKEHOLDERS THAT YOU MET WITH, AND IT'S GOT MEMBERS OF OUR STAFF, UM, TREK BUILDERS, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS.
DID YOU ASK ABOUT THAT OR DID YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT? UM, I MEAN, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE WERE LOOKING FOR THOSE THAT, YOU KNOW, ON THE KIND OF MORE TECHNICAL SIDE OF WORKING WITH THE CODE, AND THAT WAS THE, THE LIST.
I MEAN, THIS IS KIND OF THE INITIAL KICKOFF.
SO THAT WAS THE LIST THAT WE RECEIVED.
DO, DO YOU REALIZE THAT WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION IN DALLAS AND THAT SOME OF THOSE FOLKS ARE PRETTY FREQUENT FLYERS DOWN HERE? WE'VE GOT ERICA FROM DISTRICT NINE, BRUCE, MIKE MELANIE FROM DISTRICT 14.
WE HAVE THE PRESIDENT OF THE OAKLAWN COMMITTEE.
WE HAVE, UM, UH, LAURA FROM DISTRICT ONE.
I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
THEY COME DOWN HERE AND SPEAK REGULARLY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHY THOSE PEOPLE AREN'T INCLUDED IN THE STAKEHOLDERS LIST? UH, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.
AND WELL, LET ME, LET ME JUST, AND THIS IS PROBABLY NOT REALLY FOR YOU, BUT FOR OUR OWN STAFF, WHEN THOSE PEOPLE AREN'T INCLUDED IN THE QUOTE UNQUOTE STAKEHOLDERS, THIS IS WHY THOSE PEOPLE FIND THIS PROCESS SUSPECT.
AND WHEN WE START A PROCESS LIKE THIS BY EXCLUDING THEM, THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T TRUST IT.
THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T TRUST CERTAIN PLAYERS.
AND IF WE WANT THEM TO BE ACTIVE IN IT, AND TO MEANINGFULLY PARTICIPATE IN IT IN A GOOD FAITH WAY, WE HAVE TO INVITE THEM TO THE TABLE AT THE BEGINNING.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YEAH, SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOME THINGS FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT DEPENDS ON TRUE CORNER STORES AND NOT THE GAS STATIONS CORNER STORES THAT HAVE GAMBLING AND SOME OTHER THINGS THERE.
UM, SO AS YOU GUYS LOOK AT THE CODE, CAN YOU DELINEATE THAT LIKE PALS BURGERS IN, IN DISTRICT FOUR, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DEPENDS ON FRESH ONIONS, FRESH PRODUCE, HOT MEALS, UM, AND IT DOESN'T SELL ALCOHOL, RIGHT? NEVER HAS APPLIED FOR ALCOHOL PERMIT, BUT IT'S A CORNER STORE, AND THERE'S SEVERAL IN THAT SAME DISTRICT.
SO WHEN YOU SAY CORNER STORE, LET'S KIND OF DELINEATE THEM FROM THE GAS STATIONS THAT ARE TRULY, UM, SOMETIMES PROBLEMATIC AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
MY QUESTION HERE, UM, WAS ABOUT, UM, THE CODE AROUND KIND OF OUR LANDSCAPE CODE THAT EXISTS TODAY.
WILL IT BE TOUCHED? AND HOW WILL THE NEW CODE ADDRESS CONCERNS ABOUT TREE PRESERVATION, GREEN SPACE AND STORM WATER MANAGEMENT? UM, ONE OF MY BIGGEST PET PEEVES ARE MOSQUITO PITS, IS WHAT I CALL THEM.
UM, THESE HUGE RETAINING, UM, NOT RETAINING WALLS, BUT RETENTION PONDS THAT ARE, IN MY CASE, NOT MANAGED WELL IN MY DISTRICT.
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UM, IN OTHER DISTRICTS IN THE SOUTHERN REGION, THEY BECOME, UM, OVERRAN OVER HIGH WEEDS, SO ON AND SO FORTH.UM, HOW CAN WE ADDRESS THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD? OR CAN YOU GUYS ADDRESS THAT? UM, SO WE KNOW THAT THE CURRENT LANDSCAPE REVISIONS WEREN'T ADOPTED THAT LONG AGO.
UM, SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING IS THAT WE'RE GONNA WORK TO ALIGN THEM WITH, UM, THE REST OF THE CODE.
SO EVERYTHING'S TALKING TO EACH OTHER IN THE SAME VOICE.
UM, WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME IMPORTANT THINGS THAT LANDSCAPING NEEDS TO ADDRESS.
UH, A LOT OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU LANDSCAPE A PARKING LOT, HOW YOU LANDSCAPE A BUFFER YARD, HOW YOU DO KIND OF BUILDING FOUNDATION.
UM, I'LL BE HONEST, I DON'T HAVE THE LANDSCAPE CODE IN FRONT OF ME, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR IT DELVES INTO THINGS LIKE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, BUT IN MANY CASES, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF IT'S IN THERE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING IT PROPERLY.
UM, A LANDSCAPE CODE SHOULD HAVE MAINTENANCE STANDARDS WITHIN IT, JUST BASIC MAINTENANCE STANDARDS, UM, THAT TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND IF THERE'S ISSUES, UM, YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST PLACE I'VE HEARD OF WITH ISSUES WITH THOSE RETEN RETENTION DETENTION PONDS.
UM, UH, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT.
UM, SO IT'S JUST GOOD TO FLAG THAT, THAT THAT'S OUT THERE AND THAT WE SHOULD BE MINDFUL OF IT.
WE WEREN'T, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, WE KNEW IT'S A RELATIVELY RECENT ADOPTION, SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO KIND OF TEAR IT ALL APART.
UM, BUT WE'LL ABSOLUTELY MAKE SURE WE'RE ENHANCING IT FOR THAT.
COMMISSIONER SIMS, GOOD MORNING.
UM, I'D LIKE TO PULL A LITTLE FURTHER ON THE PROCESS THREAD THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO.
SO, AM I CORRECT IN MY RECOLLECTION FROM OUR LAST MEETING, THAT YOUR CHARGE PRINCIPALLY IS TO MAKE A CODE THAT IS SIMPLER, MORE WORKABLE, AND MORE EASY TO UNDERSTAND? UM, THAT, AND KIND OF INCLUDE ADDRESSES A NUMBER OF ISSUES IN FORWARD DALLAS AS WELL? I MEAN, THE MAIN THING IS WE WANNA MAKE A CODE THAT'S EASY FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND, BUT WE NEED TO ALSO KIND OF IMPLEMENT SOME OF THE POLICIES WITHIN FORWARD DALLAS.
AND, AND I HEARD COMMISSIONER HALL, YOU KNOW, RAISE THE SALIENT ISSUE OF PROTECTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO, SO I GUESS THINKING ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH OTHER CITIES WHERE YOU'VE DONE THIS, AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS, HOW MUCH OF YOUR PROCESS IS, OR HOW MUCH OF THE ACTIONS THAT YOU'RE TAKING AND RECOMMENDING RESULT IN MEANINGFUL CHANGES TO LAND USE WITHIN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY AS OPPOSED TO JUST SIMPLIFYING THE CODE TO PRESERVE THE EXISTING LAND USES? SO IS THE QUESTION, HOW HAS THAT KIND OF WORKED IN OTHER CITIES? YEAH, I GUESS IN OTHER WORDS, AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS, AS YOU, AS CONSULTANTS, YOU COME IN SAYING, YEAH, WE SEE THAT YOUR LAND USE IS THIS WAY HERE, BUT WE THINK THERE ARE BETTER USES.
SO WE WANT TO INTENTIONALLY CHANGE THINGS.
SO I'M THINKING ABOUT INTENTIONAL CHANGES TO LAND USE VERSUS UNINTENTIONAL IMPACTS.
AND I KNOW WE'RE HEARING FROM LOTS OF RESIDENTS.
I JUST WANNA KIND OF THINK ABOUT THE PROCESS WHERE WE SUDDENLY END UP KIND OF MAKING CHANGES, PERHAPS WE DIDN'T MEAN TO MM-HMM
OR MAKING CHANGES THAT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN SUFFICIENT INPUT INTO IN THE PROCESS.
DOES THAT MAKE, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? UM, I THINK SO.
AND IF IT DOESN'T, WE'LL JUST, WE'LL DO THIS AGAIN,
IT'S THE TEXT AND THE MAP, AND KIND OF, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT, PART OF THE IDEA OF GETTING THIS TEXT.
I MEAN, ASIDE FROM GETTING THE, THE ORDINANCE DRAFT, YOU KNOW, CLEAR, SIMPLE, EASY TO UNDERSTAND, INCORPORATING ALL THE THINGS THAT WE WANNA SEE AND CREATING THE RIGHT SET OF DISTRICTS.
THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS THE MAP AND WHERE THINGS GO.
UM, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE DO IN A VACUUM.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO WORK WITH STAFF ON.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE TO THE PUBLIC AND GET VETTING ON THEM.
OUR KEY RECOMMENDATIONS COME, UM, IN WAYS TO CONSOLIDATE A BUNCH OF MIXED USE DISTRICTS THAT ARE EXACTLY THE SAME.
YOU KNOW, AND REALLY A LOT OF OUR FOCUS IN THAT END OF THINGS IS REALLY ON THE KIND OF COMMERCIAL AREAS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO KIND OF CLOCK WHAT THEY ARE.
AND SO JUST, AND REALLY FOR US, WHAT WE COME OUT WITH, OUR INITIAL RECOMMENDATIONS ARE TO IDEN MAKE THINGS, PUT THE RIGHT DISTRICT ON STUFF.
SO WE'RE NOT COMING OUT AND WHOLESALE SAYING, GET RID OF ALL SINGLE FAMILY ZONING.
THAT IS A CITY POLICY THAT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH WITH, WITH STAFF, WITH YOU GUYS, WITH, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL, WITH THE RESIDENTS.
I MEAN, THIS IS A MAP THAT COMES OUT FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AND TO, TO FOLLOW THAT UP TOO.
THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY KIND OF SURPRISE CHANGES AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, RIGHT? I MEAN, FORWARD DALLAS HAS A FUTURE LAND USE COMPONENT TO IT AND A MAP.
SO OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GONNA BE THE FUNDAMENTAL KIND OF GUIDING DOCUMENT.
IF THERE'S CHANGE INDICATED THERE FOR CERTAIN AREAS, THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE KIND OF TASKED WITH PROVIDING THE TOOLS TO IMPLEMENT.
AND WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF COMING UP WITH A ZONING MAP.
IT'S, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A ONE-TO-ONE FROM FUTURE LAND USE TO ZONING.
UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX THAN THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE IDEA IS THAT THROUGH SORT OF THE CLEANUP ASPECTS OF THINGS, THE CLEAN UP, THE MODERNIZATION, THE SIMPLIFICATION, WE WOULDN'T REALLY BE CREATING ANY, HOPEFULLY UNINTENDED CHANGE THAT ALL OF THE CHANGE THAT WOULD RESULT FROM THIS PROCESS WOULD BE IMPLEMENTATION OF FORWARD DALLAS.
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THE MAP, WHEN IT COMES OUT, WILL THERE BE AN EASY WAY FOR RESIDENTS AND OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO SEE CHANGES ON THE MAP FROM CURRENT USE? IN OTHER WORDS, TO SAY, THIS WAS THIS, THIS IS NOW THIS OTHER THING, AND THAT, THAT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT THING.SO TYPICALLY, UH, AND THIS IS, THIS IS A TECHNICAL THING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO KIND OF WORK OUT EXACTLY HOW WE DO IT, BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF WAYS TO SHOW, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS THE PREVIOUS ZONE, THIS IS THE NEW ZONE.
UM, OFTENTIMES WE DEAL WITH THINGS LIKE EQUIVALENTS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT R SEVEN FIVE, IF WE RENAME IT TO THE RN SEVEN, MAYBE TWEAK A COUPLE SMALL STANDARDS IN THERE, WE'D CONSIDER THAT EQUIVALENT.
SO TYPICALLY WE WOULDN'T MARK THINGS LIKE THAT ON A MAP AS A CHANGE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE CHANGING FROM ONE LAND USE CATEGORY, SAY RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL, SWITCHING BETWEEN CATEGORIES, SWITCHING BETWEEN INTENSITIES, WE CAN DEFINITELY HIGHLIGHT AREAS WHERE THOSE TYPES OF CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.
I HAVE ONE, ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU BEFORE WE, UH, STAY WITH THE SECOND ROUND.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO ATTEND A COUPLE OF THESE MEETINGS, AND I, I THINK YOU GUYS ARE DOING A, A WONDERFUL JOB.
THIS IS A, A, A BIG SUBJECT YES.
AND AN AN INTERESTING THING THAT I NOTICE IS, YOU KNOW, A A COUPLE OF FOLKS ARE, UH, VERY INTERESTED TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHEN IS, WHEN IS COUNCIL VOTING ON THIS MM-HMM
WHAT IS IT SPECIFICALLY THAT THEY'RE GONNA VOTE ON? AND I'M HOPING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE BENEFIT OF THIS BODY, BUT REALLY THE PUBLIC, THAT WE CAN JUST KIND OF WALK THROUGH THE CHRONOLOGY HERE.
EXACTLY WHAT IS GONNA BE THE PROCESS, WHAT ARE GONNA BE THE TOUCH POINTS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO ZAC, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PUBLIC INPUT THERE AT EVERY, EVERY MEETING.
LET, LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, UH, THERE WERE A FEW FOLKS MAYBE THAT GOT THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS THING IS GONNA BE REALLY QUICK AND IT'S GONNA GO THROUGH CPC AND THEN COUNCIL'S GONNA HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, TWO MONTHS FROM TODAY.
AND IT'S THE OPPOSITE OF THAT
YES, IT IS, IT IS ABSOLUTELY THE OPPOSITE OF THAT.
UH, SO WE ARE KIND OF CLOSING OUT THE, THE, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT THE, THE JULY VIRTUAL MEETINGS AND THEN, WHICH WILL BE EXACTLY WHAT THESE MEETINGS ARE, BUT JUST ONLINE.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, THE PRESENTATION OF COUNCIL, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE DRAFTING, AND THAT THE INTENT IS, OUR GOAL IS TO GET THE PUBLIC DRAFT OUT, PUBLIC DRAFT 1.0 OUT BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
AND THEN WE WOULD COME BACK AND WE WOULD DO A LOT OF MEETINGS.
THIS IS NOT AN ADOPTION DRAFT.
THIS IS NOT BEING, THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARINGS, IT'S JUST A PUBLIC DRAFT.
SO THAT WOULD COME OUT, WE WOULD BE BACK IN THE EARLY PART OF 2026, UM, TO DO A TON OF MEETINGS, UH, LIKELY MEET AGAIN WITH THE CPC, WITH THE ZO OAC, EVEN WITH COUNCIL, JUST TO PRESENT WHAT'S IN THIS PUBLIC DRAFT.
BUT NOBODY'S ADOPTING ANYTHING.
WE'RE JUST THERE TO GATHER FEEDBACK.
WE WORK TOGETHER WITH CITY STAFF TO DETERMINE WHAT CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE.
SO WE'RE NOW TALKING KIND OF MIDDLE OF 2026 THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT PUBLIC DRAFT 2.0, WHICH WOULD BE RED LINE, SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN SEE WHERE CHANGES WERE MADE BETWEEN THE TWO DRAFTS.
UM, THAT IS, AGAIN, A PUBLIC DRAFT.
OBVIOUSLY WE'LL MEET WITH EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO MEET WITH US ON THAT DRAFT.
UH, OBVIOUSLY COME BACK TO BRIEF YOU ALL ON KIND OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH IT.
BUT THAT IS NOT THE ADOPTION DRAFT.
UM, SO THAT IS REALLY LOOKING AT MIDDLE OF NEXT YEAR, THAT PUBLIC DRAFT 2.0 RED LINE WOULD BE OUT THERE.
THE HOPE WOULD BE BY THE END OF, BY, YOU KNOW, LATE FALL OF 2026, WE'RE GETTING READY TO GO TO, YOU KNOW, A PUBLIC HEARING DRAFT.
BUT ONCE THINGS GET OUT OF OUR HANDS, WE, WE LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTROL.
IF IT GOES TO THE PUBLIC AND THERE'S THINGS THERE THAT WE JUST NEED TO KEEP WORKING OUT, THAT MAY DELAY THAT PROCESS.
NO ONE HAS COME DOWN TO TELL US THAT WE NEED TO BE ABSOLUTELY FINISHED AT X TIME.
IT NEEDS TO BE ADOPTED BY X TIME.
UM, WHERE WE'RE JUST WORKING OFF A SCHEDULE THAT WE FEEL IS FAIRLY TYPICAL TO THESE PROCESSES, THAT BY THE TIME IT GETS OUT THERE, UH, PUBLIC DRAFT 1.0, PUBLIC DRAFT 2.0, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT NEXT YEAR.
AND THEN WE'LL SEE KIND OF HOW QUICKLY IT CAN GO FROM THERE.
IF, IF YOU'RE JUST THE STRANGEST PLACE ON EARTH AND EVERYBODY SEES 2.0 AND SAYS, THIS IS GREAT, WE LOVE IT, THIS IS FANTASTIC.
WE CAN MOVE TO PUBLIC HEARING, OR WE MAY NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE DIGGING ON TOPICS.
I WILL, SORRY,
AS WE ALL KNOW, ALL ZAG MEETINGS ARE PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT ALSO HAVE AN OPTION FOR PUBLIC INPUT.
ONE, THIS MAY BE MORE OF A QUESTION FOR
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STAFF, BUT, UM, I, I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP A LITTLE BIT ON THE SUP EXPIRATION RENEWAL AND, AND REVOCATION THINGS.I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION OF IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT PAINTS A COMPLETE PICTURE.
SO RIGHT NOW TO REVOKE AN SUP IS, I THINK WE SAID YOU HAVE TO CALL AN AUTHORIZED HEARING.
CITY, CITY COUNCIL, THERE'S A PROVISION IN THE SUP SECTION, THE LAST ONE THAT SAYS THAT THE RENEWALS AND ANYTHING, UH, IN ANY TIME, UH, LIMIT ON AN SUP DOES NOT AFFECT CITY PLAN COMMISSIONS OR CITY COUNCIL'S ABILITY TO, UH, CALL UNAUTHORIZED HEARING OR REOPEN THE SUP AT ANY TIME.
AND THERE'S ALSO A REFERENCE MADE TO A BACKLOG FOR AUTHORIZED HEARINGS.
AUTHORIZED HEARINGS CAN TAKE YEARS.
IS THAT SIMPLY AUTHORIZED HEARINGS FOR, YOU KNOW, LARGE AREA REZONINGS OR DO DO AUTHORIZED HEARINGS TO REVOKE AN SUP ALSO GO INTO THAT LONG QUEUE? NO, THEY DON'T.
UM, SO, UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST AN SUP AND SOMETHING THAT IS SITE SPECIFIC FOR ONE PROPERTY, UM, WE'VE ALWAYS HISTORICALLY ASSIGNED THOSE WITH THE REZONING TEAM.
UM, IT IS TRUE THAT IT IS, UH, A HYBRID PROCESS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN APPLICANT, SO WE STILL HAVE TO WORK WITH COUNCIL OFFICE AND THE COMMUNITY TO ORGANIZE THE COMMUNITY MEETING.
SO IT IS NOT AS SIMPLE TO SAY, IT TAKES FOUR MONTHS FROM THE AUTHOR AUTHORIZATION TO COUNCIL, JUST BECAUSE THE PROCESS IS NOT AS A PRIVATE APPLICATION PROCESS.
BUT, UH, IT DOESN'T GO IN THE SAME QUEUE WITH, UH, YOUR AUTHORIZED HEARING THAT SPENDS OVER ACRES.
AND IT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT TEAM THAT HANDLES IT.
AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, BRING UP, I THINK COMMISSIONER FORSYTH BROUGHT UP SB EIGHT 40.
I'VE SPENT SOME TIME LOOKING AT IT.
IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT MAKES, UM, VERY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS IN THE CITY.
UM, WHAT I WILL SAY IS, I MEAN, HOW DO, HOW DO I PUT THIS? I, I HEAR THE FEAR ABOUT WHAT IT COULD BRING.
ALSO, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE AREAS THAT ARE CALLING OUT FOR NEARBY WALKABLE USES AND, AND NEIGHBORS WHO I TALK TO WHO WANTED, I HAVE TO WALK ACROSS A FOUR LANE VERY BUSY STREET RIGHT NOW TO GET TO A COFFEE SHOP.
AND WITH THE STROLLER, THAT'S NOT FUN AS MUCH ANGST AS, YOU KNOW, SB EIGHT 40 MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, CAUSING CERTAIN PEOPLE.
I WOULD JUST ASK THAT Y'ALL DIG IN, BECAUSE THERE ARE AREAS AND, YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT FIT FOR EVERY AREA THAT ARE CLAMMING OUT FOR VERY LOW INTENSITY, YOU KNOW, RETAIL USES AND FIGURING OUT WHAT TOOL THAT WE COULD HAVE IN OUR ZONING CODE THAT MAY NOT ALLOW IT BY RIGHT.
AND RE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS ACROSS THE CITY, BUT GIVES THAT OPTIONALITY TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT WANT IT, I THINK WOULD BE A HUGE, YOU KNOW, ASSET IN OUR ZONING CODE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE NS DISTRICT THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS FAR FROM PERFECT.
SO AS WE LOOK IN, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY FOR SMALL SITES THAT I DON'T THINK WOULD LEND THEMSELVES TO MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT UNDER SB EIGHT 40, PLEASE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ASK Y'ALL JUST TO DIG IN AND AS SCARY AS SB EIGHT 40 MIGHT BE TO, TO, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN PEOPLE PLEASE DIG IN AND FIND IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, FIND A TOOL THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH SB EIGHT 40 AND DOESN'T HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT ALLOWS THE AREAS THAT WANT, YOU KNOW, SOME WALKABLE RETAIL RESTAURANT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, TO, TO HAVE A, A BETTER TOOL FOR THAT.
UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UM, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
UM, HOW DID WE GET TO 63 AFTER 51 AND 51 A? I'VE BEEN ASKED THAT AND I REALIZED I DIDN'T KNOW, UH, BECAUSE IT'S THE NEXT AVAILABLE CHAPTER IN THE WHOLE CITY CODE.
UM, BACK TO THE ISSUE OF SUVS AND INDUSTRIAL USES.
UM, MY CONCERN HAS TO DO WITH THE PROPOSAL AND THE, UM, CONSULTANT REPORT THAT I READ, UM, ON MAKING SUVS PERMANENT AND ALSO WANTING TO RELY ON STATE LICENSING TO, YOU KNOW, ENSURE THAT THEY'RE MEETING THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR OBLIGATIONS AS FAR AS BEING IN COMPLIANCE WITH REGULATIONS.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WOULD REQUIRE A COMPLETE CULTURE CHANGE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, UM, FOR POTENTIALLY INCOMPATIBLE, UM, INDUSTRIAL USES SUCH AS BATCH PLANTS, THE STATE RELIES ON A SELF-REPORTED CHECKLIST.
NOW, MY DOCTOR DOES NOT ASK ME MY WEIGHT WHEN I GO TO THE DOCTOR.
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IF HE DID, I WOULD SAY I WEIGH 113 POUNDS THE SAME I DID AS I DID WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY NOT THE TRUTH.UM, I HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIVED IN THE WEST DALLAS AREA FOR THE LAST 36 YEARS.
I HAVE, WE AT ONE TIME WERE PLAGUED WITH NUMEROUS CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS THAT WERE SPRINKLED THROUGH THE AREA, YOU KNOW, ADJACENT TO NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE ONLY TOOL IN THE LOCAL ARSENAL THAT WE HAVE HAD TO SHUT THESE DOWN IS THE, IS THE SUP PROCESS IN THE ZONING PROCESS.
UM, I CAN GO TO SITES WHERE, I MEAN, I CAN LOOK AT THE, UH, THE TCEQ CHECKLIST THAT SAYS, OKAY, ALL THE ROADS MUST BE PAVED WITH CONCRETE, ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT AND THE VEHICLES, AND THE STOCKPILES MUST BE A HUNDRED FEET OR 50 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND IT'S CLEARLY NOT THE CASE.
UM, THE LOCAL, UM, CITY DEPARTMENTS, OCEQ CODE PERMITTING PLANNING, NONE OF THEM HAVE DEMONSTRATED THE CAPACITY TO ENFORCE THESE THINGS.
SO I'M, I'M VERY, VERY DUBIOUS OF WHAT THE EFFECT IS GOING TO BE ON THESE COMMUNITIES WHERE THESE, UH, USES THAT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT CHANCE FOR ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
YOU KNOW, WHERE WE LOSE THE ONLY TOOL THAT WE'VE HAD THAT'S BEEN AFFECTED.
COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE WRAPPING UP.
ANYONE ELSE? SECOND ROUND COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, PLEASE.
MY QUESTION IS PROMPTED BY YOUR RESPONSE TO COMMISSIONER SIM'S QUESTION, YOU, UH, SAID THAT THERE WOULD BE A, A NEW MAP THAT WOULD REFLECT ANY DISTRICT THAT WAS R SEVEN BEFORE THAT CHANGED TO THE NEW DESIGNATION, RN SEVEN, I PRESUME THAT'S THE NEW DESIGNATION WITH THE MULTIPLEX CAPABILITY OR THE PLEX CAPABILITY? NO, NO, THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE.
HE WAS JUST USING FAKE NAMES OF DISTRICTS.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DISTRICTS ARE GONNA BE CALLED YET.
JUST HE WAS, IT, IT WAS BASICALLY JUST INTENDED TO ILLUSTRATE THAT IF WHEN WE WORK ON THE MAP, IF WE CHANGE ANYTHING, WE'LL SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE CURRENT CODE IT IS R FIVE UNDER THE NEW CODE IT WOULD BE WHATEVER NAME OF THE NEW DISTRICT WOULD BE.
WE'RE NOT, NONE OF THAT WAS, THAT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE.
SO SPECIFICALLY IN THE CONTEXT OF ANSWERING THAT QUESTION OF WHERE, HOW ARE WE SHOWING CHANGE ON THE MAP, RIGHT.
OR AREAS OF SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.
I WAS SAYING THAT IF WE, IF WE'RE SIMPLY RENAMING A DISTRICT, SO IT'S CURRENTLY A SINGLE FAMILY R SEVEN FIVE, ALL THAT WE'VE DONE IN THIS UPDATE PROCESS IS, IT'S NOT CALLED R SEVEN FIVE ANYMORE.
IT'S CALLED RRN SEVEN FIVE, MAKING UP NAMES.
FUNCTIONALLY, THAT'S NOT A CHANGE.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THOSE EXAMPLES WHERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT COMBINING R 10 AND R 16, RIGHT? SO ANYTHING R 16 NOW WOULD BE, WOULD BE THIS, WHATEVER THE NEW DISTRICT IS FOR THE, THE MERGER OF R 16.
BUT IT'S NOT CHANGING ANY DISTRICT THAT'S CURRENTLY R 75 TO THIS NEW.
R 75 WITH THE MORE DENSE YOU GOT IT, THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH A REZONING.
AND IF THAT KIND OF CHANGE WAS PROPOSED ON THE MAP, IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE INDICATED AS A CHANGE.
BUT, BUT, BUT IF A NIG, YOU KNOW, TO CHANGE A NEIGHBORHOOD FROM A CURRENT R 75 TO THE NEW R 75 WITH PLEX, UH, CAPABILITY OR DEVELOPMENT, THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CPC AS A REZONING CASE? YES.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE WHOLE MAP UPDATE THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO LOOK AT.
THAT HAS TO BE VETTED PUBLICLY.
AND TO CHANGE A, A NEIGHBORHOOD FROM R SEVEN FIVE TO R FIVE, BECAUSE UNDER THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE, THAT WOULD ALSO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CPC ON A REZONING BA CASE BY CASE BASIS.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LIKE THAT 24% OF LOTS THAT ARE IN R SEVEN FIVE THAT, THAT ARE UNDER THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AN AUTOMATIC REZONING AND CHANGING THOSE TO R FIVE A, A CHANGE FROM ONE DISTRICT TO ANOTHER LIKE THAT WITH A DIFFERENT LOT SIZE WOULD BE A MAJOR CHANGE THAT WOULD BE INDICATED ON THE MAP.
AND THAT WOULD GO THROUGH KIND OF THE WHOLE PUBLIC PROCESS THAT THE NEW MAP WOULD YES, IT WOULD BE SHOWN.
YOU WOULD KNOW THAT IT CHANGED.
IT'S PART OF THE WHOLE, WHOLE SHEBANG IS THE TEXT AND THE MAP.
BUT JUST SAYING THAT THAT IS PART OF THIS PROCESS THAT IN, UH, FOR THOSE 24% OF LOTS IN R SEVEN FIVE, WE, WE DON'T KNOW THAT ARE UNDER THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE WILL BE AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, WE'RE CHANGING THOSE TO R FIVE POTENTIALLY.
WE ARE NOT SURE IF THEY'RE, IF 24% OF THEM ARE JUST SCATTERED ALL AROUND IN THE R SEVEN FIVE NOW, THERE WOULDN'T REALLY BE A NEED FOR CHANGE.
IF THERE'S SOME CLUMP TOGETHER, WE MAY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
WE'RE NOT MAKING, WE'RE NOT SAYING ANYTHING IS CHANGING RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVEN'T ANALYZED THE MAP TO THAT LEVEL.
WE'VE JUST DONE KIND OF A BASE LEVEL ANALYSIS OF WHAT'S THERE.
AND JUST TO KIND OF CLARIFY, THERE'S SOME LEVEL OF
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EXPECTED NON-CONFORMANCE IN BASICALLY EVERY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, RIGHT? SO JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE SEEING THAT NEARLY 25% DON'T CONFORM RIGHT NOW DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO REZONE TO A MORE INTENSE OR TO A SMALLER LOT SIZE.THERE'S JUST EXPECTED NONCONFORMANCE.
WHAT, WHAT I THINK ARISTA IS TRYING TO SAY IS IF, IF WE, IN DOING FURTHER ANALYSIS ON THE MAP, IF WE SEE THAT THE LOTS THAT AREN'T MEETING THAT STANDARD ARE REALLY KIND OF FEW AND FAR BETWEEN AND THEY'RE SCATTERED AND IT'S NOT REPRESENTING, YOU KNOW, BLOCKS UPON BLOCKS OF ACTUAL 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, I DON'T THINK WE'D BE PROPOSING REZONING ANYTHING.
IF WE DO ANALYSIS AND WE SEE THAT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT PORTIONS OF R SEVEN FIVE THAT ARE POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, WERE BUILT AS SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE ACTUALLY 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS AND THEY'RE ALL GROUPED TOGETHER, THAT WOULD BE A POTENTIAL CANDIDATE FOR A REZONING.
WE DON'T KNOW YET AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS WHETHER WE'RE GONNA FIND THOSE AS WE START TO LOOK AT THE MAP.
UM, BUT THE, THE INTENT IS DEFINITELY NOT TO JUST TAKE EVERYTHING THAT'S NON-CONFORMING AND ZONE IT TO A DIFFERENT DISTRICT.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGE LIKE THAT LAYER OF FORWARD DALLAS LAND USE.
AND THAT WILL ALSO GO THROUGH ANOTHER, EXCUSE ME, UH, LAYER OF SORT OF SCRUTINY THROUGH THE LENS OF FORWARD DALLAS TO SAY THAT IF A PARTICULAR CONCENTRATION OF, AS AN EXAMPLE R SEVEN FIVE LOTS ARE NON-CONFORMING, THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN STILL MAINTAINS THAT AS SINGLE FAMILY.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT TO BRING LOTS INTO CONFORMANCE IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN FOR, FOR DALLAS.
WELL THEN THAT BRINGS UP ANOTHER QUESTION ARE, ARE YOU GONNA MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN R ZONE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT, UH, USING FOR DALLAS AS YOUR, YOUR PREDICATE, UH, UH, AS A BASIS FOR YOUR EVALUATION? YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK AND SAY TO US THAT THESE NEIGHBORHOODS SHOULD BE CHANGED TO THE NEW, UH, OUR DESIGNATION WITH THE DUPLEX OR PLEX CAPABILITY? UH, WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT YET.
WE DON'T KNOW, WE HAVEN'T DELVED INTO THE MAP AT THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL YET.
WE'RE KIND OF JUST LOOKING AT THE DISTRICTS.
IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING KIND OF TO WHAT MITCH JUST SAID.
WE'RE GONNA BE, WE'RE LOOKING TO KIND OF RIGHTSIZE THINGS.
WE'LL BE LOOKING TO FORWARD DALLAS, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH STAFF TO SEE IF THERE'S AREAS THAT SHOULD, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE THAT WAY.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THOSE DISTRICTS ARE GONNA MAKE IT ONTO THE MAP YET, OR IF THEY'RE JUST GONNA SIT ON THE, ON THE, IN THE ZONING CODE UNTIL THEY'RE PROVED TO BE MORE USEFUL.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO COMPLIMENT KAROS ON THE JOB YOU'VE DONE SO FAR.
I THINK YOU'RE RUNNING THESE MEETINGS VERY WELL AND, UM, I, UH, APPRECIATE THE, UH, DIAGNOSTIC, I THINK IN MY YEARS OF, OF SERVICE ON THIS COMMISSION, YOU ALL HAVE CERTAINLY IDENTIFIED THE THINGS WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT, UM, THE THINGS WE NEED TO BE DISCUSSING.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE AFRAID TO DISCUSS THOSE ITEMS, UH, WHETHER OR NOT WE ADOPT THEM, WHETHER OR NOT WE PROCEED WITH FULL BLOWN ORDINANCE REVISIONS, THAT THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
BUT, UH, I, I THINK YOU HAVE, UH, CLEARLY FROM THE DISCUSSION HERE, YOU, YOU'VE, YOU'VE TOUCHED A NERVE ON A NUMBER OF THINGS AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR PRIVILEGE AS AN OUTSIDER TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND SO I'M, I'M, I'M GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
UH, I ALSO APPRECIATE THE COMPLIMENTS OR THE, UH, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AROUND THE HORSESHOE THIS MORNING, UH, APPRECIATED.
UH, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTERS A MOMENT AGO ABOUT, UH, JUST REVIEWING WITH US THE EXPERIENCE ABOUT THE SUP SITUATION WITH RESPECT TO INDUSTRIAL.
THAT WAS JUST A GOOD, GOOD REVIEW CASE FOR ME.
AND THEN, UH, I'M GONNA BE THINKING, UM, A LOT ABOUT COMMISSIONER HALL'S QUESTION, WHERE I'M GONNA GO ABOUT WHAT DOES PROTECTING RESIDENTIAL LOOK LIKE IN MY PARTICULAR DISTRICT.
UH, SO THAT, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
SO, UH, LET ME GET TO MY QUESTION, WHICH IS
UM, CLEARLY A LOT OF ANXIETY ABOUT RESIDENTIAL AND ABOUT ARE WE GOING TO, UH, UH, ALLOW SOME, UH, RELATED USES LIKE DUPLEX AND TRIPLEX AND ADUS, ET CETERA.
UH, MY QUESTION IS, UH, ABOUT YOUR PRACTICE AND YOUR EXPERIENCE.
I MEAN, WE, WE'VE ALL READ NEWS ARTICLES ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THESE KINDS OF CHANGES IN OTHER CITIES, RIGHT? BUT IN YOUR PARTICULAR EXPERIENCE, AND YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO THAT TODAY, BUT TODAY, OR IN THE, IN OUR FUTURE INTERACTIONS WITH YOU, COULD, CAN YOU JUST GIVE US ANECDOTALLY THE IMPACT OF, OF THESE KINDS OF CHANGES WHEN YOU'VE HELPED IMPLEMENT THEM IN OTHER CITIES AROUND, UH, THE US OR, I DON'T KNOW, SOME OTHER RELEVANT PLACE, BUT, UH, JUST SOME REAL WORLD, THIS IS WHAT WE WROTE, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED, THIS WAS THE GOOD, THIS WAS THE BAD.
UH, AND JUST HELP, HELP EDUCATE US ON THIS SO THAT WE, BECAUSE I, I THINK TO ME THAT'S THE, THE GREAT, UH, BENEFIT
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OF HAVING YOU ALL COME IN FROM BRINGING YOUR PERSPECTIVE FROM OTHER PLACES.UM, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF GO DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE OF THE CITY OF DALLAS A LOT HERE, AND WE REALLY, I, I, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, UH, WHAT YOU ALL HAVE SEEN, WHAT YOU'VE EXPERIENCED, WHAT THE OUTCOME HAS BEEN OF SOME OF YOUR WORK.
UM, YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO SOME OF THOSE.
THERE'S SOME CITIES WE WORKED WITH RECENTLY WHERE WE KNOW, UM, SOME BIG SHIFTS HAVE HAPPENED IN TERMS OF, UH, JUST ONE EXAMPLE, AND I DON'T HAVE THE DATA ON ME, BUT, UM, CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA WAS THE ONE THAT WE DID, UM, THEIR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
UH, AND THEY ELIMINATED SINGLE FAMILY EXCLUSIVE ZONING AND ALLOWED FOR DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES IN, IN ALL THEIR FORMER SINGLE FAMILY AREAS.
I KNOW THAT THEY'VE HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE HAD SOME SUCCESS IN BUILDING UP THAT HOUSING STOCK.
THEY HAVE A CRISIS THERE IN TERMS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO, UM, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE DATA ON ME, IT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST ANECDOTAL FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD.
YEAH, AND I, I WILL SAY WE'VE PORTLAND, WE'VE EVEN KIND OF JUST BEEN TALKING INTERNALLY AMONGST OUR TEAM JUST AFTER HAVING TOUCHED THAT NERVE, UM, AND GOTTEN SOME REACTIONS THAT THEY'RE AROUND SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT ARE GENERATING PARTICULAR SENSITIVITY THAT WHEN WE COME OUT WITH A PUBLIC DRAFT, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE ADDRESSING, UH, SORT OF THOSE SPECIFIC AREAS, RIGHT? I MEAN, COMMUNITIES HAVE BEEN MAKING CHANGES SIMILAR TO THIS FOR LONG ENOUGH NOW THAT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE DATA COME OUT LONGITUDINALLY.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, ZONING DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES KIND OF TAKE A LITTLE WHILE TO MANIFEST ACTUAL CHANGE, RIGHT? THESE ARE, THESE DON'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.
SOMETIMES THEY HAPPEN MORE AT A GLACIAL PACE.
UH, OTHER PLACES DO DEVELOPMENT A LOT MORE QUICKLY AND HAVE A LOT MORE PRESSURE.
SO, UM, THERE IS DATA OUT THERE ABOUT SORT OF REAL WORLD IMPACTS, RIGHT? IF YOU ALLOW ADUS HOW MANY GET BUILT, HOW BIG ARE THEY TYPICALLY, WHAT IS THE TENURE LIKE? UM, SO ALL OF THAT KIND OF INFORMATION I THINK CAN BE VERY USEFUL IN, UH, OUR COMMUNICATING WITH THE PUBLIC AND ALSO KIND OF PROVIDING YOU ALL WITH THE TOOLS TO UNDERSTAND SOME POTENTIAL REAL WORLD IMPACTS TO SOME OF THESE THINGS.
SO WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA BE DOING A LOT MORE OF THAT RESEARCH AND BRINGING THAT INFORMATION FORWARD.
COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT? UH, THANK YOU FOR THE EXCELLENT BRIEFING.
UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION.
IN FACT, WE'LL SEE YOU TONIGHT, OKAY.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, IT'S 10 51.
COMMISSIONERS, IT IS 11:05 AM WE'RE GONNA GET BACK ON THE RECORD AND HEAD RIGHT INTO THE DOCKET.
UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO IS GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT.
IS THAT CORRECT? COMMISSIONER SIMPSON? THAT IS CORRECT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, DO WE HAVE A DATE, SIR? UH, OUR NEXT MEETING, JULY 10TH.
SO, UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO WILL BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO JULY 10TH.
UH, THAT TAKES US TO OUR ZONING CASES, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS THREE THROUGH SEVEN AT THIS POINT, I KNOW FOR SURE THREE HAS COME OFF CONSENT, IT'S MINE IS GONNA BE HELD DURING ADVISEMENT TILL AUGUST 7TH.
UH, NUMBER FOUR, FOUR OFF CONSENT, UH, NUMBER, IT'S NUMBER, UH, FIVE ON CONSENT OFF CONSENT.
YEAH, I WOULD LIKE THAT BRIEFED.
UH, BUT ARE YOU, ARE WE KEEPING IT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? WE, YES.
HOW ABOUT, UH, SIX COMMISSIONER FORESIGHTS? I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE IT OFF.
OKAY, WE'LL TAKE THAT ONE OFF.
SO SEVEN IS OFF RIGHT? UH, IT'S FIVE AND SEVEN.
SO AT THIS POINT THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM CONSISTS OF, UH, CA CASES FIVE AND SEVEN.
SO, UH, WE'LL BEGIN WITH A BRIEF OF NUMBER FOUR IN D FOUR.
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SO ITEM FOUR, CORRECT.WHILE YOU'RE GETTING SET UP, UH, COMMISSIONERS NUMBER SEVEN HAS COME OFF CONSENT
SO WE'RE GONNA HEAR 'EM INDIVIDUALLY.
AND THEN JUST AS A HEADS UP, UH, IT'S PROBABLY BEST THAT WE HEAR EIGHT AND THEN AFTER EIGHT, UH, WE'LL GO TO THE AUTHORIZED HEARING.
THAT WAY WE'RE ON THE SAME MINDSET.
UH, SO THAT CA TAKES US TO NUMBER, NUMBER FOUR.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS Z 2 4 5 180.
IT'S LOCATED ON 3 0 3 EAST LEDBETTER.
THE ZONING IS RR WITH A D ONE OVERLAY AND IT'S A RENEWAL OF SUP 2316.
IT'S IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FOUR.
AND THE SUP DETAILS ARE GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS.
UM, AND IT WAS SET TO EXPIRE PREVIOUSLY JUNE 28, UH, 2025.
AND THEIR REQUEST IS TO RENEW, UH, FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOL BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THEIR GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE, 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS.
UM, SO TO CONTINUE OFF PREMISE ALCOHOL SALES, THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THEIR SITE PLAN AND THE REQUEST INCLUDES A PERMANENT TIME PERIOD.
UH, THEY WERE APPROVED THREE TIMES, UH, AFTER THEIR ORIGINAL ADOPTION AND THEIR 12 B LICENSE WAS RENEWED, UH, THIS PAST JANUARY.
THIS IS THEIR LOCATION MAP, THE AERIAL MAP, UH, RETAIL PD 360 6.
THIS IS FACING EAST FACING, WEST FACING EAST.
AND THE PROXIMITY COMPATIBILITY, IT IS LOCATED IN NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE.
THIS IS THEIR EXISTING SITE PLAN AND THESE ARE THEIR, UH, EXISTING SUP CONDITIONS.
AND THEN THE CHANGE IS NOTED IN RED WITH A TIME LIMIT BEING, UM, SAYING SHALL NOT EXPIRE AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER FOREC, UH, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WHERE YOU SAID THAT A CERTAIN, UH, D 12 BAN HAD BEEN REMOVED? IT IS RENEWED BB 12 B LICENSE RENEWED.
UH, I'M SORRY, COULD YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS? 12 B LICENSE RENEWED ON JANUARY 22ND, 2025.
AND, AND WE DO MENTION IT IN THE REPORT.
12 BS ARE THE YEARLY, UH, REGISTRATIONS THAT ALL CONVENIENCE STORES HAVE.
AND CONVENIENCE STORES FOR THE RECORD ARE NOT USE IN CHAPTER ONE A.
THEY'RE DEFINED OUTSIDE OF THAT.
THEY KIND OF INTERSECT WITH GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORES THAT ARE OF A CERTAIN SIZE.
UM, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY CLEARLY DEFINED IN, IN CHAPTER 12 B.
AND BASICALLY PEOPLE WHO MEET THAT, UH, DEFINITION IN CHAPTER 12 B HAVE TO RENEW YEARLY.
AND IT TALKS ABOUT, UM, THE REGISTRATION THAT THEY HAVE TO, UH, MAINTAIN.
AND A LOT OF IT IS VERY SECURITY AND, UM, THINGS RELATED TO SECURITY LIKE SURVEILLANCE AND UM, UH, OTHER SIGNAGE IN TERMS OF THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT THAT'S DETAILED ON PAGE FOUR OF THE REPORT.
AND SO, UH, CONTINUALLY, FREQUENTLY WE CHECK ON THOSE FOR OUR, UM, CASES THAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED A CONVENIENCE STORE.
AND IN THIS CASE, WE CHECKED AND CONFIRMED IT'S, UH, RENEWED.
AND, AND THEN MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION, UH, THANK YOU MICHAEL.
MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION WAS, UH,
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WHY THE RECOMMENDATION FOR A PERMANENT RENEWAL? I'M, YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL.I MEAN, I'LL BE STRAIGHTFORWARD.
I MEAN, THIS IS IN REGARDS TO THE LAND USE.
WE'RE, WE'RE HERE LOOKING AT THE LAND USE.
WE'RE NOT HERE LOOKING AT THE OPERATOR.
UM, I MEAN I OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD A FRANK CONVERSATION HERE AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, CODE REFORM AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, IT'S BROUGHT TO LIGHT FOR STAFF THAT IT'S REALLY NOT BEST PRACTICE IN THE FIELD TO HAVE, UM, EXPIRATION DATES ON THINGS LIKE THIS.
AND WHAT DO WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHEN WE LOOK AT AN SUP? WHEN WE LOOK AT ANY ZONE CHANGE, WE LOOK AT EFFECTS ON LAND USE EFFECTS ON SURROUNDING AREAS, UM, HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE WITH REGARD TO LAND USE AND OF COURSE BEST PRACTICES IN OUR FIELD AND COMPREHENSIVE PLANS IN THIS CASE.
UM, WE HAVE OUR BEST PRACTICES IN THE FIELD TELLING US THAT THIS IS EXTREMELY UNCOMMON TO DO THIS SORT OF THING, UH, AMONG OUR PEER CITIES.
UM, WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT SAYS REMOVE BARRIERS THAT HINDER SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE COALESCED INTO THIS THINKING THAT WE'RE AT.
SO HAPPY TO CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION, BUT THAT'S A BIG PART OF IT.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LAND USE AND SAYING THE LAND USE NOT THE OPERATOR IS, IS APPROPRIATE ON THIS SITE AND IT SHOULD BE, UM, SIMILAR TO A BY RIGHT.
BUT IN THE PAST, WWW WOULD THE TYPICAL RENEWAL HAVE BEEN FOR A SITE LIKE THIS 10 YEARS ON A IN THE PAST BY THE COMMISSION YOU'RE SAYING? WHAT, WHAT HAS THIS BEEN RENEWED FOR BEFORE? WAS IT FIVE YEAR RENEWAL BEFORE TWO YEAR RENEWAL? BEFORE IT WAS TWO YEARS BEFORE, YEAH, THEY HAD TWO YEARS.
YEAH, THEY HAD BEEN BEEN IN FOR A COUPLE TIMES FOR TWO YEARS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE.
NOW CAN I GET A CLARIFICATION PLEASE AS TO WHAT STATE, UH, STAFF POLICY IS GONNA BE GOING FORWARD? SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT FOR ANY SUP RENEWAL YOU'RE GOING TO BE RECOMMENDING PERMANENT TIME PERIODS? I'M NOT GOING TO, WE'RE NOT GONNA RULE OUT ANY PARTICULAR USE.
EVERY CASE IS GONNA BE INDIVIDUALLY LOOKED AT.
WE ALSO DON'T HAND DOWN RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OUR PLANNERS.
WE LET THEM MAKE PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE DO PROVIDE ADVICE ON BEST PRACTICES IN THE FIELD AND INTERPRETATIONS OF HOW OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, APPLY TO THAT AS WELL.
SO I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT'S A POLICY.
I THINK STAFF WILL ALWAYS RESERVE THE RIGHT TO DIFFERENT TIME PERIODS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, PERSONAL OPINION THINK AND PLANNER WISE, IT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE IF YOU HAVE USES THAT ARE TEMPORARY IN NATURE, MAYBE A TEMPORARY PERMIT MAKES MORE SENSE FOR THAT.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE USES THAT ARE TRULY TEMPORARY IN NATURE, BUT ONGOING OPERATIONS AT A RETAIL SITE ARE NOT TEMPORARY IN NATURE.
UH, YOU DON'T SET UP BUSINESS FOR THAT FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD.
YOU SET IT UP FOR THE LONG TERM AND THAT'S WHY IT SHOULD BE TO A DEGREE, SIMILAR TO BY.
SO THAT'S THE ADVICE THAT WE'RE GIVING OUR PLANNERS AT THIS TIME.
COULD I ASK WHAT OTHER CRITERIA YOU'RE USING? 'CAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE, UM, AT LEAST ONE OTHER CASE ON THIS DOCKET WHERE THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR A FIVE-YEAR SUP.
SO IF YOU'RE JUST STRICTLY LOOK TRYING TO DECIDE IF A LAND USE IS APPROPRIATE AT A LOCATION, WHAT ARE THE SOME POTENTIAL CRITERIA THAT YOU'RE USING TO, UH, DECIDE BETWEEN A RESTRICTED TIME PERIOD IN A PERMANENT TIME PERIOD? I MEAN, YEAH, THE, YOU KNOW, TRANSPARENTLY, THIS IS ADVICE THAT HAS COME FROM DISCUSSIONS MORE RECENTLY.
UM, THE, IF YOU'RE THINKING OF A CASE THAT HAS A FIVE YEAR TIME PERIOD LATER ON, UM, I WOULD, I WOULDN'T LUMP THAT IN IN THE SAME SCHOOL OF THOUGHT.
UM, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT WE WILL EXERCISE MORE CAUTION WITH USES THAT ARE MAYBE TEMPORARY IN NATURE, MAYBE INDUSTRIAL IN NATURE, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND POTENTIALLY HAVE THOSE THINGS.
BUT I'M, I'M GONNA BE HONEST, I MEAN, SUVS ARE NOT A GOOD TOOL FOR REGULATING ALCOHOL SALES.
THEY'RE NOT A GOOD TOOL FOR CONTROLLING CRIME FROM THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
PLANNER PROFESSIONAL OPINION THERE.
BUT, UM, IN TERMS OF ADJACENT, UM, INCOMPATIBLE USES, LIKE THINGS LIKE INDUSTRIAL, WE MAY SEE THOSE MORE COMMONLY HAVE, HAVE TIME PERIODS ON THEM.
ARE YOU THINKING, UM, USES SUCH AS SAY LATE NIGHT SUP PERMITS WOULD NOT ALSO BE RECOMMENDED TO BE PERMANENT? I WILL REVIEW THOSE WHEN WE WHEN WE GET TO THOSE.
I WOULD SAY I'M NOT GONNA MAKE A JUDGMENT ON THOSE 'CAUSE IT, IT'S NOT A POLICY NECESSARILY THAT'S HANDED DOWN.
IT'S A ADVICE WE GIVE OUR PLANNERS.
NO, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION 'CAUSE IT DOES SEEM LIKE A POLICY CHANGE HAS TAKEN PLACE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT.
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AND DON'T FORGET COMMISSIONER HAMPTON OVER THIS ISSUE.WE ARE RACING TO THE, UM, UH, JUST SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, 'CAUSE THESE ARE VERY GOOD TOPICS.
UM, THIS CORRIDOR SPECIFICALLY HAS BEEN THIS WAY, UM, FOR QUITE A LONG TIME, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
IS THAT ACCURATE? THE, WHAT'S THE LOCATION OF THIS GAS STATION? THIS SITE, THIS SITE HAS BEEN BEEN OPERATING AS A GAS STATION FOR AT LEAST 20 YEARS.
I DON'T KNOW THE AGE OF THE BUILDING.
WE CAN CONFIRM THAT, BUT YES, IT'S NOT A, UM, MY QUESTION IS FACILITY.
IS THERE ANY RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY TO THIS SITE? THIS ONE, THIS ONE.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GO INTO ACCOUNT WITH THAT.
UM, THIS IS NOT ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL, UH, SINGLE FAMILY OR ANYTHING.
UM, FURTHER YOU'D SAY 200 FEET TO THE EAST, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, MULTIFAMILY.
MORE THOUSAND FEET TO THE EAST IS WHEN YOU GET INTO SINGLE FAMILY.
BUT, BUT NOT, IT DOESN'T BORDER ANY RESIDENTIAL.
AND AS WE ARE EDUCATING OURSELVES HERE, DIAGONAL TO THIS ACROSS LEDBETTER IN THE FREEWAY IS A WALMART.
UM, HOW WILL WE REGULATE AN SUP FOR A WALMART? UM, IN A SIMILAR PREDICAMENT COMPARING TO THIS GAS STATION WE YOU'D BE TALKING ABOUT? UM, MAYBE A, WELL, SO I'M TRYING TO THINK.
'CAUSE A WALMART IS A GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE, 10,000 SQUARE FEET OR GREATER.
IN THE CASE OF THIS GAS STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORE, THEIR LAND USE IS THE GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE, ABOUT 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR, OR LESS, I WANT TO SAY.
THE ONLY REASON WE'RE HERE, AS YOU KNOW, FOR AN SUP IS THE OVERLAY THAT, THAT IS ON TOP OF THIS PROPERTY.
SO WE HAVE DRY OVERLAYS AND PORTIONS OF THE CITY.
UM, I WANT TO SAY THAT THIS, THAT THE WALMART, FOR EXAMPLE, DOES NOT HAVE THAT, BUT AT THE SAME RATE, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT COMING IN OVER PERIODS OF TIME, WE DON'T LOOK AT THE OPERATOR.
WE TRY NOT TO LOOK AT THE OPERATOR.
UM, IF THEY COME FOR, IF THE, SO I, I CONFIRMED IT, THE WALMART DOESN'T NEED AN SUP FOR A, UH, FOR ANY KIND OF ALCOHOL SALE.
I I'M QUITE CERTAIN THEY, THEY SELL ALCOHOL IN THAT WALMART.
UM, AND THEY DO IT BY, RIGHT IN THIS CASE, ACROSS THE HIGHWAY JUST BECAUSE OF WHATEVER THE HISTORY IS, BAD LUCK OR CALL IT A POLICY DECISION BY SOMEONE.
THIS SITE HAS A DIFFERENT SET OF STANDARDS ON IT WHERE THEY HAVE TO COME AND GET SUVS EVERY NOW AND AGAIN.
UM, BUT STAFF AND THIS BODY SHOULD NOT LOOK AT THOSE OPERATORS AS INDIVIDUALS OR PEOPLE.
WE SHOULD LOOK AT THOSE LAND USES AS, AS INDIVIDUAL, UH, CONSIDERATIONS RATHER THAN THAT, THAT ARE KIND OF HOLISTIC IN TERMS OF LAND USE VERSUS, UM, THE PERSON OPERATING THEM AND THE, AND THE OPERATION OVER TIME.
AND, AND ALL OF THAT TO SAY IS WHEN THEY COME BACK FOR RENEWAL, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? IF, IF NOT AN OPERATOR, AND I, I THINK WE SHOULD, THAT'S WHERE I'M, I RAISED THAT QUESTION TO SAY WE SHOULD BE CAREFUL, UM, WITH IT.
AND, AND I THINK THAT THESE CONTINUAL PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR RENEWALS AND THINGS OPENS UP THAT DISCUSSION AND THAT TEMPTATION TO GET INTO THAT SPACE.
AND THAT IS WHY I CAUTION CONTINUAL RENEWALS FOR THESE SORTS OF THINGS.
THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING ALL THOSE THINGS.
UH, THIS IS A UNIQUE LOCATION THAT HAS A LONG TRADITION OF, UM, THAT USED TO BE A BAD ACTOR THERE.
THEY, THEY'VE GOTTEN A LOT BETTER.
UM, SO THANK YOU FOR, UM, CONSIDERING MY POINT THERE.
UM, I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON THE QUESTION OF THE EVALUATION BY STAFF.
UM, OBVIOUSLY OUR SUP IS ONE OF THE CRITERIA IS THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND
UM, WE'VE SEE THE, UH, 12 B REPORT IN HERE, BUT THERE'S ALSO CRIME STATISTICS.
UM, COULD YOU SPEAK TO HOW THOSE WERE INCLUDED? I THINK STAFF INCLUDES THEM PER OUR REQUEST, WHICH I APPRECIATE.
WE DON'T HAVE DATES ON THESE, SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO KNOW IF THESE ARE RECENT OR IF THESE WERE OLDER.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A NUMBER OF CALLS AND REQUESTS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S OTHER, UM, FACILITIES IN THE AREA THAT THEY COULD BE TIED TO.
THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY TIED TO THE ADDRESS, BUT WANNA UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE MIGHT BE CONSIDERED.
YES, I'M, I MEAN, THOSE ARE BY REQUEST.
AND, AND FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF FOLKS HERE, THEY'RE NOT A TOOL THAT STAFF, AND I PROBABLY SAID THIS BEFORE, THEY'RE NOT A TOOL THAT STAFF USES TO EVALUATE THESE.
I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA BE HONEST, THEY'RE NOT A GOOD TOOL FOR LOOKING INTO THIS BECAUSE BEYOND JUST IS THE CRIME ASSOCIATED WITH SOMETHING ELSE? WE'RE LOOKING AT A LAND USE.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT, UM, A OPERATOR'S RECORD AND EXPERIENCE WITH, WITH CRIME, WHETHER THAT BE OCCURRING TO THEM OR, YOU KNOW, RELATED TO THEM.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE SAYING THAT LAND USES ARE RELATED TO CRIME, BECAUSE
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I DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYONE HERE TO BE A, A LAND LAW ENFORCEMENT EXPERT.I DON'T ASK OUR PLANNERS TO BE LAW ENFORCEMENT EXPERTS.
AND SO AS A RESULT, I HIGHLY ADVISE.
IT'S NOT PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION.
WE PROVIDE THAT DATA AS A CONVENIENCE, BUT I, I DO ADVISE THAT IT'S NOT PART OF THE CONSIDERATION.
LAND USE IMPACTS OF THINGS THAT ARE IN HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE, UH, THAT ARE TRADITIONAL LAND USE THINGS, SOUNDS, AND, UM, IMPACTS ON PEOPLE'S WHILE BEING OF SURROUNDING PROPERTY.
THOSE TWO TO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE SEPARATE FROM CRIME.
AND I DO, I DON'T ADVISE THEM TO BE, TO BE PART OF THE CONSIDERATION.
LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER WHEELER ONLINE.
UM, UH, I, I, IS THAT MR. PEPE LOOKING? BARELY.
SEE, IS THAT MR. PEPE SPEAKING? IT IS, IT IS.
I, SO, SO MY CONCERN IS THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, INDIVIDUAL, UM, CRIME STATS AND, AND NOT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS, ESPECIALLY MINE, UM, WE, THE, THE REASON THAT SOME OF THESE SUVS WERE PUT INTO PLACE IS BECAUSE THEY DO DIRECTLY AFFECT CRIME.
AND IT'S A MECHANISM FOR US TO BE ABLE TO USE, UH, TO USE THAT TO BE ABLE TO GET RID OF BAD ACTORS.
AND SO MY CONCERN IS THAT, UM, AS WE KNOW THAT THE COMMON SAYING IS, OH, WE DON'T USE, UH, IS CASE BY CASE, BUT IS ALSO SOMETIMES BEST PRACTICES.
UM, AND, AND, AND US CREATING A PERMANENT SUP, UM, FOR CERTAIN TYPE OF BUSINESSES.
AS WE KNOW, WE HAVE IN THE LAST RECENT, I HAVE VOTED MYSELF FOR, UM, PERMANENT SUVS FOR, UH, WE JUST DID LAST WEEK, BUT IT WAS RELATED TO, UM, A, A BUSINESS THAT WAS CONTRIBUTING TO THE COMMUNITY WELLBEING.
BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIQUOR STORES, LIKE, LIKE LIQUOR STORES ARE ALCOHOLIC, UH, SUP RELATED NIGHT CLUBS, THOSE BUSINESSES, THAT THAT'S HOW TOOL, HOW, HOW ARE WE COMING UP WITH THAT? WE DON'T LOOK AT OPERATORS BECAUSE YES, THE LAND USE MIGHT FIT, BUT THE SUP IS NOT FOR THE, UM, FOR THE CONVENIENCE STORE.
THEY CAN DO THE CONVENIENCE STORE BY WRIGHT, I MEAN, WELL HAVE A CONVENIENCE STORE BY WRIGHT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PORTION THAT WE SHOULD BE ALWAYS CONSIDERING IS THAT OPERATOR, UM, NOT ACTING IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY.
UH, I WOULD THINK THAT DISTRICT FIVE AND DISTRICT EIGHT, WHO HAS THE LARGE QUITE A BIT, I WOULD SAY, UM, DISTRICT FIVE, AND THEY HAVE QUITE A BIT OF, UH, CONVENIENCE STORES IN ALONG BUCKNER BOULEVARD THAT ARE GAS STATIONS, CONVENIENCE STORES, AND ALCOHOL
SO HOW ARE Y'ALL NOT CONSIDERING EVERYTHING AND, AND, AND REMOVE AND CREATING A PERMANENT SUP, UH, TAKES AWAY FROM THE COMMUNITIES TO REGULATE? NO, I, I, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND AND, AND, AND I EMPATHIZE WITH, WITH WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM IN THAT REGARD.
AND IT'S, UH, IT'S A, IT'S A VALID THING TO THINK ABOUT.
I, I GUESS THERE AGAIN, WE'RE GIVING INTO, TO OPERATOR TO A DEGREE, HAS, DO WE, DO WE THINK THAT OPERATOR'S, GOOD OR BAD, MAKING A JUDGMENT ON THAT? I, I STILL CAUTION AGAINST THAT.
UM, IN SAYING THAT AN OPERATOR IS, IS ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH CRIME, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE, THE CHARGE I THINK THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH APPROVING AN SUP VERSUS, UM, THE LAND USE OF IT.
THEN WITH RESPECT TO, I, I WANT TO TALK BROADER TO, TO CRIME.
I THINK THAT IF WE THINK THAT, I THINK IT'S A TRICKY SPACE IN PLANNING TO ASSOCIATE AN INDIVIDUAL TYPE OF LAND USE, SAY THAT A CRIME IS CAUSED BY A LAND USE VERSUS A CRIME IS MAYBE ASSOCIATED WITH A LAND USE.
I THINK THOSE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, AND THEN I THINK IT PUTS US IN A TOUGH SPOT TO, UM, BE MAKING THAT JUDGMENT AS GENERALLY MOST OF US NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONALS, UM, IN RELATION TO JUST APPROVING A LAND USE.
SO, UH, UNDERSTAND THAT YOU, YOU ASKED A, A GOOD AMOUNT OF QUESTIONS, AND I'M TRYING TO RECALL EACH OF
WELL, I, I THINK MY, I THINK THE BIGGEST ONE IS I'M CONCERNED
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BECAUSE, UM, AND, AND I GET IT, LIKE WE DON'T WANNA PUT STAPLES ON, UH, PUT, PUT, PUT, BUT I, I'M NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT.THAT IS 100% TRUE, BUT I AM A COMMUNITY.
UH, I, I I, I LIVE IN A COMMUNITY THAT WAS PROBABLY THE WETTEST IN THE CITY THAT WAS NOT A DRY, AND WE HAVE SAW THE CHANGE WHEN THE CITY, WHEN, WHEN THE CITY BECAME OPENED UP, I'M GONNA SAY THE ALCOHOLIC BORDERS WOULD GO, MORE OF THE CITY CAN HAVE ALCOHOL.
AND THOSE CHANGES LED THOSE CHANGES DID LEAD TO REDUCTION IN CRIMES IN OUR AREA.
UM, THAT BAD ACTORS OF THAT HAVE HAD SUVS IN MY AREA HAVE BEEN REMOVED, UH, BECAUSE, UH, THE CONTRI THAT THAT CONTRIBUTION OF LETTING PEOPLE HANG OUT AND DRINK IN FRONT OF THE STORES, THAT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN IN CERTAIN AREAS.
SO I'M NOT SAYING THE WHOLE CITY OF DALLAS WHERE AN ALCOHOLIC SELL, BUT IN AREAS THAT WHO, WHO HAVE HAD, SUCH AS, WE HAVE A PD, OUR PD WANTS THAT SUP BECAUSE IT IS A WAY TO REGULATE THOSE, THOSE ACTORS.
AND, AND SO I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I, I DON'T, UM, UNFORTUNATELY, I, I DO UNDERSTAND PUTTING, UM, PUTTING, PUTTING, UM, LABELING CERTAIN TYPE OF BUSINESSES AS, AS, AS, UH, POSSIBLY WHAT WE, I WOULD SAY, DESTRUCTIVE OF SOME KINDA WAY OF A COMMUNITY PUTTING CERTAIN SECTIONS OF THE CITY.
WE DO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND THAT SUP HAS BEEN OUR TOOL BECAUSE THERE AN ALTERNATIVE TOOL THAT YOU ALL ARE GONNA BE USING.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE TOOL IS SUP, AND I CAN PROMISE YOU, I, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN, IN SOUTH DALLAS IS DEF IN OUR AREA, AND ESPECIALLY MY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE GOING TO COME OUT IN FULL FORCE CONCERNING THIS, IF THAT, IF THAT'S THE CASE, BECAUSE WE, THAT IS OUR, OUR ONLY TOOL, UM, UH, PUBLIC NUISANCES THAT DON'T WORK.
WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH A LIQUOR, WITH A LIQUOR LICENSE THAT HAS BEEN THROUGH EVERY, THAT IS GRANDFATHERED IN, THAT HAS BEEN THROUGH MULTIPLE COURT CASES, AND THEY JUST SWITCHED OWNERSHIPS AND IT STARTS ALL OVER.
SO I, THE SUP ACTUALLY GOT THEIR LIQUOR LICENSE TAKEN.
I MEAN, THEIR, THEIR LICENSE TAKEN.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS GOOD FOR US, BUT THAT WAS THE ONLY TOOL THAT WE COULD USE.
AND, AND I, THOSE ARE TECHNICALLY A SEPARATE LANDEN.
I, I, AND YOU KNOW WHAT, I'VE TALKED, TALKED TO YOUR FRIEND PATRICK BLADES A GOOD AMOUNT ON THAT SUBJECT IN, IN THE HISTORY AND IN YOUR COMMUNITY, UM, WITH REGARDS TO THAT.
SO I I I TOTALLY DO UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, I GUESS PART OF MY HOPE IS THAT AS OUR ENTIRE, NOT JUST PLANNING APPARATUS, BUT OUR, OUR CITY REGULATION APPARATUS IS THAT WE DON'T AB ABDICATE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF, YOU KNOW, PROPER ENFORCEMENT OF, OF ALL CODES ONLY TO ZONING.
THAT'S THE BIG PICTURE THING THAT I THINK MANY PEOPLE IN OUR DEPARTMENT WILL, WILL LOOK FOR, IS NOT ABDICATING THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ENFORCING ON THEIR LICENSE, BUT IT'S PROPERLY, UM, ENFORCING ON CODE ENFORCEMENT, THE REGULAR THINGS THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO DO OVER TIME AS THEY MEET THEIR, THEY NEED TO MEET THEIR CONDITIONS OVER THE YEARS.
UM, I THINK, UH, THERE'S LIMITED THINGS WE CAN DO WITH ALCOHOL.
SI THINK AS WE GIVE THIS ADVICE TO OUR PLANNERS, UM, WHERE WE, YOU WILL SEE MORE CONDITIONS THAT ARE NOT TIME PERIODS, BUT MORE, UH, SPATIAL RELATED TO THE BOTH ENVIRONMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO I THINK YOU'LL SEE THOSE SO THAT THERE IS MORE ABILITY AND LEEWAY FOR CODE CODE COMPLIANCE TO TAKE ACTION OVER THE YEARS AND, AND, AND MAKE THOSE THINGS OCCUR, UH, TO, TO MAKE FOR GOOD OPERATIONS.
UH, WE ARE A LITTLE LIMITED IN THE TERMS, THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO WITH THE VERY SPECIFIC USE OF SUP VERSUS SALE AL CALIC BEVERAGES BECAUSE OF THE, THE LEGAL LIMITS THAT ARE PUT ON WHAT WE CAN PUT IN AN, IN AN SUP IN REGARDS TO THAT.
I JUST THINK THAT WE, WE, WE MIGHT BE GETTING INTO SOME DANGEROUS GROUNDS ON, UH, UH, ON THIS SUP SITUATION FOR PERMANENT.
THERE IS, UM, THERE IS, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A PLACE FOR PERMANENT SUVS.
OUR SCHOOLS, UM, UH, I HAD A ARTS AND CULTURE IN MY, IN MY, UH, UH, TYPE OF BUSINESS IN MY DISTRICT THAT QUALIFIED FOR IT.
I JUST THINK THERE'S, UH, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.
THANK YOU HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER FORESITE, UH, PARDON ME.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, FORESITE, HERBERT KINGSTON, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, MR. PEPE, I'M, I'M NOT SURE YOU WERE, UM, WITH THE CITY WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD CASES IN THE PAST, I CAN THINK OF A, A CLUB IN DEEP A WHERE THE POLICE ACTUALLY CAME TO US AND ASKED US NOT TO RENEW AN SUP BECAUSE OF THE CRIME SITUATION THERE THAT THEY WERE HAVING TO DEPLOY ALL AVAILABLE
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UNITS TO THIS LOCATION EVERY NIGHT AT CLOSING TIME.UM, AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE CRITERIA FOR GRANTING SUVS, AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE RENEW SUVS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS THAT WE CAN'T GRANT IT UNLESS WE FIND THAT THE USE COMPLIMENTS OR IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES CONTRIBUTES TO OR PROMOTES THE WELFARE OF THE AREA, NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY AND CONFORMS TO ZONING REGULATION STANDARDS.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY FOR ME TO DO THAT WITHOUT TAKING A, A LOOK AT THE, AT THE CURRENT OPERATION.
IT'S, I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT OF VIEW FROM THE USE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING FROM, FROM, YOU KNOW, THE VERY FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS DECIDED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE 12 B INSPECTION IS NECESSARY FOR THESE CONVENIENCE STORES BECAUSE THE, THE PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH PUBLIC SAFETY ARE SO TREMENDOUS IF THEY DON'T DO THESE THINGS.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S JUST A REAL CONSIDERATION.
SO I I, I, I HAVE REAL PROBLEMS WITH, UM, UM, ABANDONING, UM, LOOKING AT THE, THE STATE OF THE OPERATION, THE CRIME, UM, STATISTICS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE OTHER ISSUES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND, AND I, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT YEAH, IN THOSE CASES, I THINK WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO HOPE TO LOOK FOR BETTER CONDITIONS ON THE LAND USE, BUT I, WE WILL, AGAIN, ADVISE THAT THOSE REALLY CAN'T BE RELATED TO THINGS LIKE, LIKE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND, AND, AND SO ON.
AND YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S IT I THINK FOR US, BECAUSE YOU, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING MAYBE ABOUT A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT TYPE OF USE.
YOU SEE THE PARALLEL, OF COURSE, IN THOSE CASES, WE MAY HAVE ROOM TO PUT THINGS LIKE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS ON, ON A USE, UH, HERE IN THE REALM OF ALCOHOL SALES IN A DRY OVERLAY.
NOT SO MUCH CAN BE DONE IN THAT REGARD, BUT YEAH, I, I CONTINUE TO CALL.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DESCRIBING A DIFFICULT PROBLEM, UM, ANALYZING THESE IN A VACUUM.
MOST OF WHAT STAFF DOES IS BEING ASKED, ASKING THEM TO, YOU KNOW, PUT BLINDERS ON IN REGARDS TO OPERATORS, IN REGARDS TO PERSONALITIES INVOLVED IN THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, BUT I DO RECOMMEND THAT'S THE, IN THE LONG RUN, THE, THE FAIR AND EQUITABLE WAY TO DO IT IS TO AVOID GETTING INTO TALKING ABOUT OPERATORS.
I ADD ONE THING, AND WHILE I DO UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, YOUR POINT THAT, UM, THE ZONING PROCESS SHOULD NOT BE THE ONLY TOOL OR THE MAIN TOOL TO ENFORCE COMPLIANCE.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S THE ONE THAT WE'VE GOT.
AND I, I DON'T, I, I HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEYOND RE I HAVE FEAR TOTAL
WE'RE, WE'RE RUNNING A LITTLE BIT BEHIND, BUT LET'S KEEP GOING WITH OUR QUEUE.
COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, PLEASE TAKE YOUR TIME.
I DON'T MEAN TO PROTRACT THIS.
I DO FEEL THE NEED FOR A POINT OF, UH, CLARIFICATION IN RESPONSE TO, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT'S QUESTION.
UH, IT WAS STATED THAT THERE ARE NO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE NEARBY THIS, UH, AND I WANNA POINT OUT THAT THIS IS RIGHT NORTH OF THE UNIVERSITY HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SINGING, UH, HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALSO JUST SOUTH OF THE, AND WEST OF THE, UH, MARCELLUS PARK NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THERE, THERE, THERE'S APARTMENTS THAT ARE JUST A FEW HUNDRED FEET OF THIS, AND THEN RIGHT PAST THOSE APARTMENTS ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO, UH, THIS IS A PLACE THAT WOULD BE OF CONCERN TO THE FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, AND I CAN PLEASANTLY POINT OUT THAT I CONTACTED THE PRESIDENTS OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THAT, THAT ARE NEARBY THIS LOCATION, AND THEY'RE OKAY WITH IT FOR NOW.
BUT THEY DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP AN EYE OUT AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CONTINUE TO BE RESPONSIBLE IN THEIR OPERATIONS.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HERBERT.
UM, IN RESPECT TO THAT, UM, RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SEEMS TO CHANGE AND MOVE AROUND WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT, BUT NEITHER HERE OR THERE.
UM, WE HAVE AN ISSUE HERE, AND I'LL TRY TO FRAME THIS IN A QUESTION, BUT WE HAVE A SERIOUS ISSUE HERE, UM, IN REGARDS TO REGULATING, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS AND OPERATORS AT A HIGHER LEVEL IN THE CITY.
I'M GLAD WE HAVE A SITTING COUNCIL MEMBER SITTING HERE, 'CAUSE MAYBE THEY CAN OFFER SOME RESOLUTIONS AT A LATER DATE TO THE CITY ON HOW TO MANAGE THIS.
BECAUSE FOR YEARS, WE USED ZONING TO REDLINE PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF OUT OF NEIGHBORHOODS, INTO DISTRICTS, OUT OF, INTO FOOD DESERTS, UM, AND WE CONTINUE USING ZONING TO ATTACK PEOPLE.
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IT IS THE ONLY TOOL I HAVE.UM, I WANT THEM TO SPRAY WASH THEIR CEMENT ONCE A MONTH, LIKE SEVERAL OTHERS OF THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE.
THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY PLACE I CAN ASK THEM TO DO THAT.
UM, I CAN WALK UP TO 'EM AND ASK THEM TOO, RIGHT? BUT, SO I GET IT, I DO, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT, IT'S, IT'S BECOMING RISKY.
UM, AND HOW WE DENY THESE OPERATORS, UM, UM, FROM OPERATING, IF WE HAVE PROBLEM OPERATORS, THEY SHOULD NOT BE OPERATING IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND WE SHOULD HAVE LAWS AROUND IT TO, TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS, UM, AND OUR LAND USES AROUND THAT.
YEAH, I'M, IS IT CORRECT THAT STAFF THAT THERE'S A CHANGE IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE USE OF SUVS AND THE RENEWALS OF SUVS? I WOULD SAY THAT THE ADVICE THAT WE'RE GIVEN TO OUR PLANNERS WHEN THEY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON BEST PRACTICES AND INTERPRETATIONS OF CITY POLICY, IS THAT WE SHOULD BE L MORE LONG TERM WITH THE TIME PERIOD, MORE SPECIFIC WITH OUR CONDITIONS WHEN POSSIBLE.
AND, AND THAT REPRESENTS A SHIFT IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FROM WHAT WE HAVE HISTORICALLY DONE.
I MEAN, PERFECTLY TRANSPARENT.
THEY HAD COMMONLY RECOMMENDING SHORTER TIME PERIODS IN THE PAST.
AND YOU SAID SOMETHING EARLIER THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND INSTEAD OF USING AN SUP TO IMPOSE BETTER CONDITIONS ON LAND USE.
WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY THAT? YEAH, AGAIN, WITH RESPECT TO ALCOHOL SALES, LIMITED IN WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT I, I THINK THAT IF SUP, NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT, UM, MAYBE I SHOULD CLARIFY.
I DON'T MEAN IN, IN, UH, IN REPLACE OF SUVS, BUT IN REPLACE OF SUP TIME PERIODS AND COMING BACK TO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THEM, FREQUENTLY HAVING CON ADDING AS THEY COME FOR RENEWAL OR FOR THEIR ORIGINAL APPROVAL, ADDING CON SUP CONDITIONS IN THAT, PUT BETTER FENCES ON THEM IN TERMS OF SIZE, SPACE, UM, LAND USE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, SCREENING AND THAT WAY, RATHER THAN THIS BODY BEING A CODE ENFORCEMENT AGENCY GIVING TOOLS TO CODE COMPLIANCE TO ENFORCE OVER THE YEARS.
UM, YOU ALSO SAID, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR PLANNERS ARE NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT WE CAN ASK DPD FOR INFORMATION AND ASK EVEN AN OFFICER TO COME PRESENT TO US.
WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST, RIGHT? I MEAN, SIMILARLY, WE'RE NOT TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, BUT WE ASK DAVID TO COME TALK TO US.
WE'RE NOT LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS.
WE ASK PHIL TO COME TALK TO US.
I MEAN, WE HAVE THAT ABILITY, RIGHT? WE, WE, YEAH.
I MEAN, ANY INFORMATION, ANY INFORMATION CAN BE, CAN BE BROUGHT BEFORE, CERTAINLY.
BUT I GUESS ALL I'M SAYING IS, ARE WE APPLYING THOSE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE ALL HAVE ABOUT LAND USES FAIRLY ACROSS THE BOARD TO, TO INDIVIDUAL CASES, TO INDIVIDUAL OPERATORS? ARE WE DOING THAT? THAT'S A RHETORICAL QUESTION.
WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THE PREMISE THAT HAVING AN SUP FOR SOME OF THESE MORE PROBLEMATIC USES ENCOURAGES THE OPERATORS TO BEHAVE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT IF THEY DON'T, THEIR OPERATIONS ARE AT RISK? WELL, I GUESS WHERE I AM NOT THERE YET ON UNDERSTANDING HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FAIRLY, IS LEADING IN BY SAYING A USE IS PROBLEMATIC.
A LAND USE IS A LAND USE, AND IT HOPEFULLY CAN GO WELL, UM, THE ENFORCEMENT OF OTHER CODES THAT COME DOWN THE ROAD, LIKE THINGS LIKE CRIME AND, AND CODE COMPLIANCE AND THOSE OTHER THINGS, I THINK ARE DIVORCED FROM CALLING LAND USES, UH, PROBLEMATIC.
BUT TO, TO YOUR, TO YOUR MAIN QUESTION.
WHAT WAS YOUR MAIN QUESTION?
MAYBE SOMETIMES WE ARE USING ZONING AS A SUPPLEMENT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE OTHER GOOD TOOLS.
YOU SAID IT KEEPS OPERATORS IN CHECK, BECAUSE I'M RESTATING WHAT SHE SAID.
YOU SAID IT KEEPS OPERATORS IN CHECKS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY HAVE TO DO THIS.
UM, I THINK WE CAN KEEP THEM IN CHECK WITH THE RULES THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW IF WE ADD ON TO THE RULES THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW.
UM, THAT'S A VERY HELPFUL TOOL.
BUT ALSO, WE KNOW THIS BODY KNOWS THAT SUP RENEWALS ARE NOT THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO CLOSE AN SUP.
THIS BODY CAN AUTHORIZE THOSE PRETTY FREQUENTLY.
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THAT PATH AGAIN, DO YOU? OKAY.OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, LET'S, UH, WE HAVE TO KEEP GOING HERE.
WE DO, WE HAVE A REQUEST TO GET THAT ONE BRIEFED NUMBER FIVE.
DID YOU SAY YOU HAD A REQUEST FOR TO BE BRIEF, OR WERE YOU, I BELIEVE SO.
YOU NEED A BRIEF, CORRECT? YEP.
I'M ASKING OUR SNUCK IN THERE.
UM, CLOSE, JUST CLOSE OUT THAT POWERPOINT AND THEN IT'S, IT'S OPEN ON YOUR FOLDER THERE.
I I THINK I'M HEARING SOME REPORTS THAT NOT EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU, SO I'D WANNA REINTRODUCE YOU IF I CAN.
UM, REX, UM, REX CHAMBERS WORKS FOR, UM, OUR AUTHORIZED HEARINGS TEAM AND, AND REPORTS TO SETH, BUT IS BEING A GREAT HELP TO US BY DOING ZONING CASES.
I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AUTHORIZED HEARINGS HAVE A LOT TO DO WITH IN, IN ZONING CASES, SO WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE HIM HELPING US OUT, BUT REINTRODUCING FOR ANYONE WHO NEEDS TO KNOW, WELCOME.
OKAY, THIS IS GONNA BE FOR CASE Z 25 DASH 0 0 0 43.
THIS IS GONNA BE AN APPLICATION FOR A R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY 5,000 SQUARE FEET DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED PA PARKING DISTRICT, UH, LOCATED SOUTH OF JUNE DRIVE.
EXCUSE ME, LEMME MOVE THIS OUTTA THE WAY.
LOCATED SOUTH OF JUNE DRIVE AND WEST OF SOUTHWEST MORELAND ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 0.29 ACRES.
AND THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF DALLAS.
AND WE HAVE THE AREA MAP HERE.
AND THEN FOR JUST SOME QUICK BACKGROUND ON THE CASE, THE AREA OF REQUEST IS CURRENTLY ZONED AS A PARKING DISTRICT, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS PA.
AND THE PROPERTY CONTAINS TWO LOTS PROPERTIES IN QUESTION AT FRONTAGE ALONG JUNE DRIVE.
AND SO WESTMORELAND ROAD WITH AN ALLEY ALONG THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
THE LOTS ARE CURRENTLY DEVELOPED AS SURFACE PARKING LOTS, AND THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO REZONE TO DEVELOP TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES ON EACH LOT.
AND TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, THEY REQUEST AN R FIVE, SINGLE FAMILY 5,000 SQUARE FOOT DISTRICT, AND FOR SOME SITE PHOTOS, LOOKING DIRECTLY ONTO THE PROPERTY FROM SOUTHWEST MORELAND, SEE HERE, EXISTING RIGHT HERE OF SORT OF A QUASI USE, KIND OF ABANDONED PARKING LOT, CURRENTLY GOT THE REAR, UH, OF THE PROPERTY SHOWS THAT THE ALLEY CONNECTED AS WELL.
RIGHT ACROSS IN THE PROPERTY, ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL.
AND THEN SOME SURROUNDING USES, UH, ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY YOU HAVE A, UM, BANK OPERATION, AND THEN ALSO ACROSS THE STREET.
IT'S A PRETTY MUCH A QUASI-PUBLIC SORT OF INSTITUTIONAL USE, I BELIEVE, BY THE CITY.
IT'S ALSO LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET
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FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR FORWARD DALLAS.IT DOES CALL FOR THIS FOR A COMMUNITY MIXED USE FOR THE PLACE SITE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
UH, TYPICALLY FOR COMMUNITY MIXED USE AREAS, THEY'RE ACCOMMODATED WITH MID-RISE BUILDINGS, OFFERING CONNECTION ALONG MAJOR CORRIDORS FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
USES A MIXTURE OF COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND RESIDENTIAL, BOTH RETAIL AND SERVICE USES.
THE REQUEST ALIGNS WITH THE GOALS OUTLINED IN FOR DALLAS 2.0 BY SUPPORTING THE VISION OF PROVIDING A BROADER RANGE OF HOUSING OPTIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
WHILE THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN CALLS FOR INCREASED RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, REPURPOSING THE SERVICE PARKING LOT FOR A USE THAT BETTER REFLECTS THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA, OFFERS A MORE SUSTAINABLE AND CONTEXT SENSITIVE SOLUTION.
THIS APPROACH NOT ONLY ADDRESSES THE DEMAND FOR ADDITIONAL HOUSING, BUT ALSO MITIGATES THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH LARGE EXPENSES OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
SO AS EXACERBATING THE URBAN HEAT ISLAND EFFECT BY REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF LAND DEDICATED SOLELY TO PARKING AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FOR APPROVAL.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
FOLLOW COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW HOW THESE PARKING DISTRICTS CAME ABOUT? I MEAN, WAS THIS REQUIRED PARKING FOR A PARTICULAR USE? WHAT I CAN GATHER, THIS WAS DONE, I BELIEVE, ABOUT 10 OR SO YEARS AGO.
I THINK IT WAS FOR PROBABLY JUST FOR PARKING FOR PROBABLY ONE OF THE ADJACENT, UM, COMMERCIAL USES, PROBABLY FOR THE INSTITUTION LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY WITH THE PARKING DISTRICTS, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY JUST ALLOWED TO DO IT FOR SOLELY PARKING USES.
SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, THAT'S WHAT IT'S LIMITED TO.
I CAN'T REALLY ANSWER FOR THE FULL EXTENT, I GUESS FOR THE HISTORY, FOR THE PARKING DISTRICT IN PARTICULAR, BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT.
OKAY, BECAUSE, WELL, MY, UM, QUESTION, I MEAN, DO YOU THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO ASSUME THAT THE PARKING CODE REFORM HAS MADE IT POSSIBLE TO, TO, UH, FOR THIS PARKING NOT TO BE NEEDED AS A PARKING LOT ANYMORE TO BE, I WOULD SAY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WITH THE WAY THE PARKING CODE WOULD WORK, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD NECESSARILY APPLY TO THIS, BUT AGAIN, I WOULD NOT BE THE ONE TO SPEAK ON THAT CURRENTLY AT THE MOMENT THOUGH, SO THANK YOU.
I DID A LITTLE BACKGROUND, I JUST WANTED TO CHIME IN IF I CAN.
UM, ANOTHER THING IS THAT I UNDERSTAND THESE WERE OWNED, UM, ALSO BY THE, THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH, BUT THEN THAT PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH REDEVELOPED AND THEN NOT, NOT THIS YEAR, BUT IN PREVIOUS RECENT YEARS, HAD TO MEET PAR THE LAST PARKING CODE, AND IT MADE IT EASIER.
AND AS THEY REDEVELOPED, THEY PUT ONSITE PARKING ON THEIR OWN SITE, UM, AND MIGHT NOT HAVE TO MEET THEIR OLD REQUIREMENTS OFFSITE.
I THINK THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION, WHICH WAS JUST MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS NO UNINTENDED IMPACT, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PARKING CODE HAS CHANGED, BUT IF THIS WAS TIED TO A BUSINESS'S CO, WERE THEY AWARE THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO GET THEIR CO REVISED TO REFLECT THIS NEW PARKING? BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR RESEARCH INDICATES THAT'S PERHAPS ALREADY BEEN RESOLVED.
YEAH, AND PART OF THAT WAS BUILDING OUT THE OLD, FOR THE OLD MINIMUM.
HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PARKING, BUT NOW, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, A BANK, BANK OR FINANCIAL INSTITUTION DOES NOT HAVE A MINIMUM.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE, TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, THERE'S NO IMPACT TO A ANOTHER ADJACENT BUSINESS THAT WAS RELYING ON THIS.
SO, UM, MY EMAIL JUST GOT ACTIVATED, SO I'M JUST CURIOUS, WAS THERE ANY OPPOSITION THAT CAME IN OUTSIDE OF THE MAIL-IN THAT CAME IN YESTERDAY? UM, ACTUALLY I WAS NOT MADE AWARE OF THAT.
SO YES, OTHER THAN THAT, UM, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC REGARDING THIS CASE.
I'LL JUST MAKE A REMINDER REGARDING THE, THE WRITTEN PACKETS SINCE THE, THE WRITTEN, THE DEADLINE FOR MAILERS IS YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, RARELY DO OUR PLANNERS HAVE THE ABILITY TO REVIEW THOSE WRITTEN COMMENTS IN THE SPACE OF THE TWO WORKING HOURS BEFORE THIS MEETING.
SO IF YOU WANT TO ASK THEM DETAILS ABOUT THAT, THEY WILL OFTEN NOT KNOW IT.
UM, AND SO WE'LL HAVE TO DO SOME RESEARCH TO READ THOSE PACKETS, BUT THEY ARE ALREADY PROVIDED TO Y'ALL, SO THEY'LL, YOU ACTUALLY MAY BE MORE AWARE OF THE CONTENTS OF THOSE PACKETS, THEN THEY HAVE THE, UH, CAPACITY TO TOTALLY FAIR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? LET'S KEEP GOING.
DO WE NEED SIX? UH, BRIEF COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT? LET'S BRIEF IT.
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I SHOULD CHANGE COSTUMES OR SOMETHING TO MAKE IT WHEN, AS I MOVE FROM THERE TO HERE.OKAY, LET'S BRIEF, UM, THIS ONE, THIS IS Z TWO Z 2, 5 0, 0 0, UH, FIVE ZERO.
AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM OF THE POWERPOINT.
SO IT'S LOCATED, UM, IN DISTRICT FOUR OFF OF THE SOUTH BLUE LINE, UH, ON PATIKA AVENUE, PADUCAH AVENUE, AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A MF ONE, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT.
IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED CR ON THAT NORTHWEST LINE OF PAD, PADUCAH AVENUE BETWEEN SOUTH DENLEY AND LANCASTER.
UH, IT'S ABOUT 13,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE LOT PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST TO PERMIT RESIDENTIAL USES NOT PERMITTED THERE AT THIS TIME.
UH, SO UNDEVELOPED AT THIS TIME.
THERE'S, UH, AN UNDEVELOPED SITE TO THE NORTHEAST, UM, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME TO THE NORTHWEST AND WEST, UH, CHURCH, UH, TO THE EAST, DIRECTLY TO THE EAST.
THERE'S SOME, UH, SOME RETAIL USES INCLUDING VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE.
AND THEN THERE'S PUBLIC SCHOOL USE ACROSS PADUCAH, UM, PROPOSING A SINGLE FAMILY USE AT THIS TIME, CURRENTLY ZONED CR UH, PART OF WHY MF ONE IS A GOOD SOLUTION FOR THIS SITE FROM A REGULATORY PERSPECTIVE, IS THAT MF ONE, UM, WELL THIS IS KIND OF BIG PICTURE PLANNING IS, IS KIND OF A GOOD BUFFER BETWEEN YOUR R SEVEN FIVE AND CR AND CR.
I MEAN, UH, I DON'T ALWAYS LOOK TO PUT CR RIGHT NEXT TO, TO R SEVEN FIVE ZONING.
UM, IF WE MOVE THIS RESIDENTIAL LINE EAST, UH, THERE ARE BOTH POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON THE, ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ITSELF, BUT ALSO ON, UM, THE CR PROPERTIES TO THE NORTHEAST AND EAST.
UM, ONE OF THOSE BEING RPS, UM, AND, AND MF ONE, UH, WE HOPE TO A DEGREE, UH, ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE IMPOSITIONS PLACED ON THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST, UM, THAT ARE NOT IN EFFECT ON THEM IN THE SAME WAY RIGHT NOW.
UH, MAINLY RPS PROJECTING ONLY 50 FEET AND GOING IN A SLOPE OF ONE TO ONE VERSUS THE, VERSUS THE INFINITE SLOPE AND ONE TO THREE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT.
SO LOOKING AT THE SITE HERE, WE ARE LOOKING STRAIGHT NORTH ON PADUCAH.
IT'S THE SITE'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO THE WEST CHURCH TO THE EAST CHURCH, CHURCH'S OWN CR AND THEN THIS ONE'S OWN CR ACROSS THE STREET AT THE PUBLIC SCHOOL.
SOME OF THE MORE, UH, COMMERCIAL USES, A BIT FURTHER EAST IN THE CR THAT'S BUILT OUT THERE.
AND THEN, UH, KIND OF EAST TOWARDS LANCASTER ON, UH, ON PADUCAH AT THE PUBLIC SCHOOL.
RECENTLY BUILT OUT SIDEWALKS ON PADUCAH OF THE OTHER, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES BUILT RECENTLY HERE AND THE CHURCH PROPERTIES ON CR.
SO TALK ABOUT THOSE EXISTING STANDARDS.
SAME FRONT SETBACK, UH, BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY IS GONNA CONTROL OVER BOTH OF THOSE ON, ON THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK BEING ADJACENT TO THE R DISTRICT.
UH, BUT MF ONE, UM, KIND OF SIMILAR IN THAT REGARD, BUT IT HAS A LOWER HEIGHT.
UM, THE HEIGHT OF THIS MF ONE DISTRICT IS GOING TO BE LIMITED BY THE RRP S GENERATED BY THE R DISTRICT TO THE WEST.
SO IT WILL ACTUALLY BE, LIKE I SAID, EFFECTIVE HEIGHT 26, UM, FROM THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST, AND THEN IT WILL GENERATE LESS PROXIMITY SLOPE TO THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST.
SO WE'RE, IT'S A, IT'S A BIT OF A, UH, TAILORED SOLUTION TO THIS PARTICULAR SITE VERSUS JUST, UM, DROPPING IN OUR DISTRICT ON IT.
UM, I THINK PART OF WHAT PLAYS IN, AND I THINK IT WORKS IN CONCERT WITH THE ZONING AND, AND, AND HELPING OUT THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS OF THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST, UM, IS LOOKING AT THE AREA PLAN, UH, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IN THIS CASE.
SO RIGHT NOW, AREA PLAN STILL APPLIES OF THE LINKER CORRIDOR STATION AREA.
UH, THIS PARCEL IS THE EAST MOST PROPERTY OF WHAT'S DESIGNATED URBAN MIXED USE.
AND THEN THE PROPERTIES FOR THE WESTERN ARE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD.
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I, I GUESS I DIDN'T HIGHLIGHT THAT SITE, BUT IT'S IN THE, UH, THE NORTH, NO, IT'S IN THE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE ACTUALLY.I DID HIGHLIGHT AND LITTLE TINY BLUE.
YOU KNOW WHAT, I CAN SEE IT ONLINE.
YOU PROBABLY CAN'T SEE IT THERE.
UH, IN THE SLIDES THAT ARE ONLINE, THERE'S A SMALL BLUE SITE WHERE THIS SITE IS, AND IT'S ON THE BORDER OF THAT URBAN MIXED USE, UH, WHERE IT MEET THE URBAN MIXED USE MEETS THE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I'M HOPING THAT THAT MF ONE KIND OF HELPS REINFORCE, UH, NOT ONLY THAT, UM, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS OF THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST WHILE GIVING THIS PROPERTY OWNER THE ABILITY TO BUILD OUT THEIR PROJECT THAT THEY'RE DESIRING ON SITE, UM, AS OF BY RIGHT USE WITH THAT MR. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS? YES, COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT.
UH, MICHAEL, UM, FIRST OF ALL, COULD YOU TELL ME WHY THIS PROPERTY IS OWNED? COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT PR IN THE FIRST PLACE? COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, YOUR MIC SO THEY CAN HEAR YOU ONLINE.
IS YOUR MIC ON? YES, YES, SIR.
UH, MICHAEL, COULD YOU TELL ME WHY THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED CR IN THE FIRST PLACE? UH, CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT ALL THE PROPERTIES, UH, DIRECTLY TO THE WEST OF THIS PROPERTY AND TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY ARE PRIMARILY SINGLE FAMILY? NO, THAT'S A, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO THE ONE TO THE NORTH AND TO THE NORTHWEST, IF YOU'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT A CHECKERBOARD SENSE, ARE CR THIS PROPERTY IS THE WEST MOST CR PROPERTY ON THIS BLOCK, AND THEN TO THE NORTH THERE'S A BIT MORE CR THAT'S WHAT THE BLACK LINES YOU'RE SEEING.
THERE ARE, UM, I, I CAN'T SAY, I CAN'T SAY WHY IT WAS CR UM, ZONED ORIGINALLY, WHY THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES NORTH OF THIS THAT ARE ZONED CR AND TO THE NORTHWEST OF THIS THAT ARE CR IS THE ENDURING LEGACY OF, OF COMMUN CUMULATIVE ZONING.
UH, WHEREIN BACK IN THE DAY, SINGLE FAMILY AND OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES WERE PERMITTED IN THE, IN THE OLD VERSION OF CR DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S WHY THERE ARE HOMES NORTH OF THIS SITE THAT ARE STILL ZONED CR UM, BUT THEY'RE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND, AND THAT'S OLD EFFECTS OF CUMULATIVE ZONING.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, I DIDN'T CHECK IF THERE WAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
UH, IT'S OBVIOUSLY KIND OF SPLIT UP IN A, IN A VERY SMALL, IN A SMALLER LOT, NOT THAT SMALL, BUT IN A SMALLER LOT KIND OF LIKE THE OTHER, UH, SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES FURTHER WEST.
UH, BUT IT DOES REMAIN CR SO RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE THOSE CR RIGHTS OF THINGS LIKE AUTO SERVICE CENTER RESTAURANT AND WITH THAT DRIVE THROUGH.
SO TO, TO ME AS A PLANNER, BEST PRACTICE IS DEFINITELY TO MOVE AWAY FROM, FROM CR RIGHT ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY.
AND THEN FOR THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, THOSE REMAIN CR AS A SINGLE FAMILY.
SO ARE THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, TECHNICALLY NON-CONFORMING? YEAH, THEY'RE LEGAL NON-CONFORMING.
SINCE THE ZONING CHANGED IN 87 AND, UM, THE MU ONE PROPERTY, ISN'T THAT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AS WELL? YEAH, NO, AND, AND GOOD QUESTION.
I WAS GONNA GET THERE IS THE MU ONE PROPERTY, YOU SEE TO THE DI YOU KNOW, STRAIGHT NORTH, UH, COMPASS NORTH WAS CR UNTIL ABOUT LAST YEAR, MAYBE THE YEAR BEFORE THAT, THAT PROPERTY OWNER CAME IN WITH THE REQUEST TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
OF COURSE, YOU CAN'T BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN CR WELL, YOU CAN BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN MU WHEN, AND SO THAT, CONSIDERING THAT PROPERTY WAS SURROUNDED ON FOUR SIDES, UH, BY CR UH, STAFF, AND EVENTUALLY THE BODY LOOKED AT MU ONE AS A SOLUTION FOR LETTING THEM BUILD THEIR SINGLE FAMILY HOME, NOT, UH, AFFECTING THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE WHO DO OWN CR UH, ADJACENT TO THAT.
SO MU ONE KIND OF WORKS LIKE A CR DISTRICT IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE RIGHTS, UM, BUT IT DOESN'T PROJECT THAT RPS OR, OR OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT WAS, I THINK IT WAS A DECENT SOLUTION FOR THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOME THERE.
UM, THIS ONE I LOOKED AT IT DIFFERENTLY, IT BEING ON THE ACTUAL BORDER OF, UM, SINGLE FAMILY ZONING AND CR ZONING.
SO ON THE QUESTION OF RPS THAT YOU JUST BROUGHT UP, IF THIS PROPERTY WERE TO BE REZONED AS SINGLE FAMILY, LIKE R 75 OR R 10, UM, YOU'RE SAYING THE LOT SIZE IS ABOUT 13,000 SQUARE FEET, SO PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE R 10.
WOULD THE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE HAVE ANY ADVERSE IMPACT ON ANY OF THE BUSINESSES THAT, THAT ARE, UH, UH, EAST OF THAT CHURCH ALONG LANCASTER, RIGHT THERE.
SO AT LANCASTER AND PADUCAH SPECIFICALLY? YEAH.
SO OUR SEVEN, OUR DISTRICTS GENERATE A DIFFERENT RPS THAN DO MF DISTRICTS.
MF DISTRICTS BOTH GENERATE A SHORTER RPS AND A STEEPER RPS, AND THEY ARE ACTED UPON BY RPS.
UM, SO IF THIS PROPERTY BECOMES R 75,
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IT GENERATES AN A INFINITE PROXIMITY SLOPE THAT SIGNIFICANTLY WOULD LIMIT THE RIGHTS OF THE LANCASTER, THE PROPERTIES ALL THE WAY UP TO LANCASTER OR PRETTY CLOSE.SO RPS, IF I DO THE MATH, UM, WOULD ACT ON THE PROPERTIES MOVING UP TO LANCASTER, UM, MO, BECAUSE WE'RE MOVING THAT BORDER OF SINGLE FAMILY TO THE EAST BY HOWEVER WIDE, THESE LOTS ARE PROBABLY ABOUT 50 FEET, UM, VERSUS THE OTHER 50 FOOT LOT.
SO IT MOVES THAT LINE 50 FEET, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO DO SOME MATH TO, TO GO BACKWARDS AND FIND OUT HOW MUCH HEIGHT THOSE PROPERTIES ON LANCASTER ARE LOSING.
AND PART OF THAT BEING THE AREA PLAN CALLS FOR URBAN MIXED USE ON THAT PROPERTY, UH, NOT GETTING IN THE WAY OF THAT IS PART OF THE THINKING.
IF YOU PUT AN MF ONE ON THIS DISTRICT ON THIS PROPERTY, IT GENERATES AN RRP S THAT ONLY ONE EXTENDS 50 FEET AND EXTENDS AT A ONE-TO-ONE ANGLE DIFFERENT SLOPE.
SO IT WOULD ONLY HAVE A MAJOR, IT WOULD ONLY HAVE AN RRP S EFFECT ON THE CHURCH PROPERTY NEXT DOOR, THOSE 50 FEET OF THE CHURCH PROPERTY, THE REAR 50 FEET OF THE HOMES BEHIND.
UM, AND THEN IT WOULD BE LESS STEEP THAN THAT WOULD BE GENERATED BY A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT.
SO IF, IF, IF YOU MAKE THIS MF ONE AND YOU BUILD A BUILDING THAT'S, UH, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 36 FEET, DOES THAT HAVE, DOES RPS ON THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT'S TO THE, UH, WEST OF THIS PROPERTY HAVE ANY IMPACT UPON THIS DEVELOPMENT? YEAH, NO, GREAT QUESTION.
SO THE MAX HEIGHT OF MF ONE IS 36 FEET, BUT BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY ON THE WEST, LIKE I SAID, RRP S IS ACTING ON, IF THIS IS AN MF ONE PROPERTY, RPS IS ACTING ON THIS PROPERTY AND THIS PROPERTY IS GENERATING IT, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND.
SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GO AND DO THE MATH, THIS PROPERTY, IF BUILT OUT AS A MF ONE IS LIMITED TO 26 FEET, UH, WHICH THE BUILDER HAD BUILT THE HOMES TO THE WEST, DO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, WANTED IT, SINGLE FAMILY HOME, LIMITED TO 26 FEET.
AND THE BUILDER ACTUALLY BUILT THE HOMES TO THE WEST, WHICH ARE SINGLE STORY.
SO HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD BOTH HIS PLAN AND THEN IT, IT, TO A DEGREE CURTAILS THE LIMIT ON THE RIGHTS OF PROPERTY OWNERS FURTHER EAST.
SO MY LAST QUESTION IS THIS, IF, IF, IF, IF WE DON'T ACT ON THIS AND WE LEAVE THE ZONING THE WAY IT IS, THEN UH, WHEN THE LAW BECOMES IN EFFECT IN SEPTEMBER, THIS SB EIGHT 40, YOU CALL IT, YES.
THEN THAT MEANS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER COULD BUILD WHATEVER HE WANTS HERE, UH, MF ONE, MF TWO, MF THREE.
SO AT LEAST RIGHT NOW WE'RE PUTTING SOME LIMITS ON IT.
IS THAT TRUE? AND I, I DON'T WANT, I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA GET INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL ABOUT INTERPRETATION OF THAT, BUT THAT BILL DOES, UH, PERMIT MULTIFAMILY ON ANY KIND OF MULTIFAMILY, ANY KIND OF MULTI YEAH.
MULTIFAMILY USES ON PROPERTIES THAT IS A COMMERCIAL OR ALLOWS COMMERCIAL USES UP TO 45 FEET IN HEIGHT.
SO, BUT, BUT THEY WOULD STILL BE RESTRICTED, EVEN IN THAT CASE, BY THE RRP S THAT EXIST ON THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
I AM, I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA MAKE A JUDGMENT ON THAT AS WE ROLL OUT OUR INTERPRETATION OF THAT BILL.
SO IT, IT, IT MAY HAVE AN EFFECT ON, IT WOULD HAVE AN EFFECT ON THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
I WOULD, BEFORE OUR ATTORNEYS GIVE US GREAT DIRECTION ON HOW SB EIGHT 40 IS GOING TO BE INTERPRETED AT THE MICRO LEVEL ON THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
I DON'T, I'M CAUTIONED TO MAKE A JUDGMENT, BUT IT IT WOULD, BUT YOU READ THE BILL REALLY HIGH LEVEL.
IT LEGALIZES MULTI TRUE MULTIFAMILY ON THIS SITE IN SEPTEMBER.
YOU'VE ANSWERED ALL MY QUESTIONS TO HELP ME MAKE A DECISION ON MY MOTION LATER TODAY.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, TAKE US HOME.
I'LL BE REALLY QUICK 'CAUSE I'M HUNGRY.
UM, BUT THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AT THE FRONT, AT THE FURTHER YOU GO DOWN THE TRADITIONAL HOMES HAD BEAUTIFUL BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY.
I CAN WALK OUTTA MY PORCH AND LOOK LEFT OR RIGHT AND SAY HELLO TO MY NEIGHBORS.
AND THEN THE NEW HOMES CAME IN WITH THESE GARAGE LIKE SNOUT, SNOUT, GARAGES, I WOULD CALL THEM.
UM, THAT TO ME CHANGES THAT WILL THIS PROPERTY HAVE TO, WHAT WILL THE, WHAT WILL THEY BLACK FACE BE? WILL IT BE THE END OF THESE SNOUT FACING GARAGES OR WILL IT HAVE TO BE CONTINUITY? HAVE CONTINUITY WITH THE REST OF THE BLOCK? WELL, YEAH, NO, I MEAN, COOL.
THAT'S A, I'M GONNA SAY COOL QUESTION.
THAT'S A REALLY INTERESTING QUESTION BECAUSE THO YOU KNOW, THOSE HOMES WERE BUILT OUT OF THE CURRENT STANDARDS OF, WHAT IS IT, R SEVEN FIVE.
SO THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH R SEVEN FIVE.
UM, THIS PROPERTY WILL HAVE, UM, WELL, I I GUESS WHETHER IT'S A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT OR AN R SEVEN FIVE DISTRICT WILL HAVE THE SAME FRONT SETBACK REGULATIONS, UM, APPLIED TO IT, WHICH IS 30
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FOOT FRONT SETBACK.SO THAT BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY IS GOING TO APPLY, UM, BOTH TO THIS PROPERTY REGARDLESS OF THE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY, UH, OUTCOME OR MULTIFAMILY, UH, ZONING OUTCOME.
UM, SO THE BLOCK FA THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT IS GOING TO APPLY THERE, BUT YOU'RE NOT, AND AND I I, I'M NOT TRYING TO AVOID YOUR QUESTION BECAUSE I'M TALKING ABOUT SETBACKS AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE DESIGN OF, OF, UM, GARAGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE FACT THAT THE GARAGE IS, IS THEY'RE ALLOWED TO IN THE CURRENT CODE ON YOUR HOMES TO YOUR WEST, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OLDER, OLDER, OLDER HOMES THAT HAVE PORCHES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THOSE ARE HELD TO THE SAME STANDARD ZONING WISE.
IF THEY REBUILT, IF THINGS LIKE THAT AS THE NEWER HOMES THAT WERE BUILT, UH, WITH THE GARAGE IN FRONT, THE CODE IS NOT MAKING A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT GARAGE STRUCTURE AND YOUR FRONT PORCH STRUCTURE AS IT STANDS NOW.
SO YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY WOULD PRETTY MUCH HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS TO BUILD A CERTAIN DESIGN IN SINGLE FAMILY IN MULTIFAMILY ZONING, UM, AS THESE TWO PROPERTIES TO THE WEST.
UM, BECAUSE THOSE, THOSE GUYS ARE BUILT OUT UNDER OUR SEVEN FIVE RULES, WHICH DOESN'T AT THIS TIME SPEAK TO THINGS LIKE DESIGN OF GARAGES AND STUFF.
UM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING I CAN TALK TO OUR CONSULTANTS ABOUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH DEVELOPMENT CODE.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND TAKE OUR, OUR LUNCH BREAK.
WE WILL BRIEF THE REST OF THE CASES BEFORE WE HEAR THEM.
IT IS 12:09 PM AND THAT CONCLUDES THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
COUNCIL MEMBER ROTH, ARE WE RECORDING? JORGE? I'M RECORDING.
[CALL TO ORDER ]
WITH A ROLL CALL? GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER BINKI PRESENT, DISTRICT TWO.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON PRESENT, DISTRICT THREE.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT PRESENT, DISTRICT FOUR.
COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, DISTRICT FIVE COMMISSIONER? UH, CHAIR SHADI PRESENT, DISTRICT SIX.
COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN PRESENT? DISTRICT NINE.
COMMISSIONER HAWK DISTRICT 13.
DISTRICT 14, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND PLACE 15 VICE CHAIR RUBEN, I'M HERE.
GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, JUNE 26TH, 2020 5, 12 40 5:00 PM WELCOME TO THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES, EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES.
UH, IN CASES WHERE WE HAVE OPPOSITION PER OUR RULES, THE APPLICANT WILL RECEIVE A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL.
WE DO HAVE, UH, SOME ONLINE SPEAKERS.
I WILL PLEASE ASK ALL OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CAMERA IS ON AND WORKING WHEN YOU SPEAK.
WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.
I WILL ASK ALL SPEAKERS TO PLEASE BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
AND LASTLY, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, FOR THOSE OF YOU HERE WITH US AT THE CHAMBER, WE DO HAVE THESE LITTLE YELLOW CARDS DOWN HERE AT THE, THE TABLE TO THE RIGHT AT SOME POINT TODAY.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE COME DOWN AND, AND FILL ONE OF THESE OUT.
SO WE HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR VISIT WITH US HERE TODAY.
UH, COMMISSIONER SAYS, GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
UH, WE'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT BEFORE WE DO, UH, ALL THE CASES AND OUR, UH, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS HAVE, UH, BEEN PULLED OFF, SO WE'LL, THEY WILL ALL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY.
AND THEN ALSO, CASE NUMBER 18 HAS ALSO BEEN OFF, UH, HAS ALSO BEEN PULLED OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, FOR OUR SUBDIVISION DOCKET.
[2. An application for a development plan and landscape plan on property zoned Subdistrict C, D & F within Planned Development District No. 750, on the northwest corner of North Central Expressway and Walnut Hill Lane.]
BEGIN WITH, UH, CASE NUMBER TWO, MS. BLUE.ITEM NUMBER TWO IS D 2 23 DASH 0 0 7, A APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND A LANDSCAPE PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB-DISTRICT, CD AND F WITHIN.
THEN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER SEVEN 50 ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AND WALNUT LANE.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR COMMISSIONERS VICTORIA MORRIS WITH JACKSON WALKER.
WE HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING LAST NIGHT.
UH, COMMISSIONER SIMS AND COMMISSIONER HALL FOR JOINING US.
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COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS FROM THAT MEETING AND OUR TEAM IS GOING TO, UH, DO A LITTLE BIT OF A CASE STUDY TO SEE IF WE CAN ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE COMMENTS.SO WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THIS CASE BE POSTPONED UNTIL AUGUST 7TH.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER SIMS, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? I DO.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IN THE MATTER OF, UH, CASE NUMBER D 2 23 SLASH 0 0 7, I MOVE THAT WE HOLD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL AUGUST 7TH.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIMPSON FOR YOUR MOTION COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WELL, PLEASE? UH, SO MOVED.
I MOVED THE MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING BE APPROVED.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIMPSON FOR YOUR MOTION.
SECOND VICE CHAIR, RUBIN, FOR YOUR SECOND.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MINUTES? SEE, NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[3. An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 145 for a government installation other than listed on property zoned an R-7.5(A) Single Family District and a CR Community Retail District with a D Liquor Control Overlay, on the west line of Algonquin Drive, between Lake June Road and San Leon Avenue.]
UH, ZONING CASES.WE'LL BEGIN WITH CASE NUMBER THREE.
ITEM THREE IS CASE ITEM THREE IS CASE Z 2 45 DASH 2 0 3.
AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1 4 5 FOR GOVERNMENT INSTALLATION OTHER THAN LISTED ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R SEVEN FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT.
AND TO SEE OUR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A DEALER CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE WEST LINE OF ALGONQUIN DRIVE BETWEEN LAKE JUNE ROAD AND SAN LEON AVENUE STAFF'S.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON CASE NUMBER THREE Z 2 4 5 2 0 3.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR, OR I GUESS WE GO TO, TO, UH, UNDER OUR NEW RULES? WE GO TO CHAIR STATE FOR A MOTION? WE DO HAVE A MOTION NOW ON THE MATTER OF Z 2 4 5 203.
I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.
HOLD THE MATTER WITH ADVISEMENT UNTIL AUGUST 7TH.
ALRIGHT, UH, THANK YOU CHAIR SCH FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION SEEING AND NONE? WE HAVE A MOTION BY CHAIR, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT TO HOLD THE CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL, UH, JULY 10TH.
SORRY, SEVENTH AUGUST 7TH, SORRY.
[4. An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 2316 for the sale of alcoholic beverages on property zoned RR Regional Retail District with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay, on the northeast line of E. Ledbetter Drive east of R.L. Thornton Freeway Service Road. ]
FOUR IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC EAST PERMIT NUMBER 2 3 1 16 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ON PROPERTY ZONED RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF EAST LEDBETTER DRIVE EAST OF RL THORNTON FREEWAY SERVICE ROAD STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.THANK YOU VERY MUCH AS THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
HI MOTO, 1 0 2 3 3 EAST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.
UM, THERE WAS A VERY LIVELY DISCUSSION THIS MORNING ON THE TIME PERIOD FOR THIS SUP RENEWAL.
UM, WE WOULD BE VERY HAPPY WITH THE TWO YEAR APPROVAL AND TWO YEARS AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.
THIS IS THE THIRD APPLICATION FOR THIS SUP FOR ALCOHOL SALES HERE.
UM, THE OPERATOR IS, UM, RESPONSIVE TO CODE COMPLIANCE AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THEY'RE, UM, HOLDING THEIR, UM, CHAPTER 12 B LICENSE, WHICH IS, UH, HAS AN ANNUAL RENEWAL PROCESS.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER THEM.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER HERBERT.
UM, JUST A QUICK QUESTION, UM, AND, AND REQUEST IF THIS THING IS APPROVED.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION BEFORE WE GO TO OUR QUESTIONS? PLEASE? WE NEED THE COMMISSION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FORT FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER SIMS FOR YOUR SECOND TO, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, FALSE TO RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS FOR A FIVE YEAR SUP.
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NOW WE GO TO DISCUSSION, UH, COMMENTS.COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YEAH, SO I DON'T HAVE TO FRAME IT IN A QUESTION ANYMORE.
UM, SO MY ISSUE IS ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
JUST THAT THEY CREATE SOME TYPE OF MAINTENANCE PLAN ABOUT CLEANING THE CONCRETE, CLEANING THE GAS UP, STUFF LIKE THAT.
I, I DID HEAR YOUR COMMENT AND I'LL RELAY THAT TO THEM.
UM, IT IS A CHALLENGING BUSINESS, BUT YES, TRUST ME, I KNOW.
AND THIS IS A CHALLENGING LOCATION, BUT YES, I'LL MAKE THAT REQUEST.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT DISCUSSIONS? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[5. An application for an R-5(A) Single Family District on property zoned a P(A) Parking District, on the southwest corner of June Drive and S. Westmoreland Road.]
FIVE.FOR ITEM FIVE, THIS IS ITEM 25 DASH 2167 A.
THIS IN THIS CASE Z 25 DASH 0 0 0 0 4 3.
AND APPLICATION FOR AN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED A PA PARKING DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF JUNE DRIVE AND SOUTHWEST MORELAND ROAD.
AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FOR APPROVAL.
UH, IS THE APPLICANT HERE WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? HELLO, I'M HERE.
UM, VIRTUALLY I'M UNABLE TO TURN ON MY VIDEO BECAUSE I'M, UH, JOINING FROM WORK ON A MILITARY BASE.
SO I'M RESTRICTED TO HAVE VIDEO ACCESS, BUT I WAS ATTENDING EARLIER, UM, WHEN MR. RE, UH, CHAMBERS PRESENTED.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? LET'S GET TO A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER DOKI, DO YOU HAVE A MOTIONS? YEAH.
UH, MOTION TO CLOSE THE OPEN HEARING AND TO VOTE TO APPROVE, UH, CITY'S RECOMMENDATION.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND DISCUSSION.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER C? NONE.
[6. An application for an MF-1(A) Multifamily District on property zoned CR Community Retail District, on the northwest line of Paducah Ave between S. Denley Dr and S. Lancaster Rd.]
UH, ITEM NUMBER SIX IS Z TWO FIVE.UH, IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN MF ONE MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST LINE OF PADUCAH AVENUE BETWEEN SOUTH BENLEY DRIVE AND SOUTH LANCASTER ROAD.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON ITEM NUMBER SIX? OKAY, LET'S HAVE A MOTION.
CHAIRMAN DEED IN THE MATTER OF KC 25 0 0 0 5 0.
I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
AND IF I GET A SECOND, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS.
UH, I, I, UH, MAKE THIS MOTION, UH, IN A RELUCTANT MANNER.
UH, I WOULD, UH, PREFER THAT THIS, UH, PROPERTY BE ZONED SINGLE FAMILY, BUT CONSIDERING, UH, THE STATE LAW EIGHT 40 THAT HAS JUST BEEN PASSED, I THINK THAT, UH, AT THE VERY LEAST WE'RE ABLE TO LIMIT THIS TO AN MF ONE AS OPPOSED TO ALLOWING THEM TO DEVELOP IT, JUST ANYTHING ON THE SITE.
SO, UH, I WILL GO ALONG WITH THE STATE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, EVEN THOUGH I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THIS REMAIN AS A, OR BE REZONED AS SINGLE FAMILY.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS.
C AND NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
A A ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT.
[7. An application for a new Specific Use Permit for a motor vehicle fueling station on property zoned Mixmaster Riverfront Subarea within Planned Development District No 784, Trinity River Corridor Special Purpose District, on the southwest line of S. Riverfront Boulevard, between the Jefferson Boulevard Viaduct and S. I-35E Freeway]
TO DISTRICT ONE IN CASE NUMBER SEVEN.THIS, THIS ITEM WAS NOT BRIEFED IN THE MORNING.
WOULD LIKE IT BRIEFED AT THIS TIME? PARDON ME? WE, WE DID NOT BRIEF THIS IN THE MORNING.
WOULD WE LIKE IT BRIEFED? OKAY.
AND IT'S LOCATED OFF OF RIVERFRONT BOULEVARD.
AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION ON PROPERTY ZONE MIXMASTER RIVERFRONT SUB AREA WITH A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 7 84.
THE TRINITY RIVER SPECIAL TRINITY RIVER CORRIDOR SPECIAL PURPOSE
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DISTRICT ON SOUTHWEST LINE OF SOUTH RIVERFRONT BOULEVARD BETWEEN THE JEFFERSON VIADUCT AND THE I 30 SOUTH 35 FREEWAY.PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO PERMIT A MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION, SPECIFICALLY AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATION.
HERE'S THE, UH, SUBJECT SITE AS IT EXISTS TODAY.
ADJACENT ZONING IS ALL PD 7 84 UNTIL YOU REACH THE TRINITY FLOODPLAIN.
NORTH OF THAT IS CITY WATER TREATMENT PLANT, MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION.
BUILT OUT NEXT DOOR FLOODPLAIN BEHIND, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING THAT MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION USE, WHICH, UM, APPLIES WHEN IT'S THE PRIMARY USE, UH, FOR AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATION.
UH, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED PD 7 84, WHICH DOES REQUIRE AN SUP IN THIS SUBDISTRICT.
UM, SOMETHING OF AN EXPANSION TO AN EXISTING FACILITY.
THERE'S A SMALL AMOUNT OF CHARGERS ON THIS SITE RIGHT NOW.
THIS WOULD JUST INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF CHARGING, UH, WHAT DO YOU WANNA CALL IT? VEHICLE CHARGERS ON THE PROPERTY AS THEY EXPAND THEIR PARKING LOT.
UM, HERE'S THE SITE STANDING RIGHT ON SITE LOOKING SOUTH TOWARDS THE, THAT'S I I I POINT THIS 'CAUSE I'M STANDING ON THE SITE, BUT THIS IS WHERE THE EXPANSION WOULD OCCUR IN THIS AREA.
UH, THERE'S SOME OF WHAT EXISTS ALREADY FOR THE, THE CHARGING AND THE PARKING AREAS, UH, HEAD AND OUT.
UH, THIS PROPERTY'S ACCESSED ONLY FROM THE, THE, YOU KNOW, FUEL CITY SITE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME OWNERSHIP AND THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE THAT PERMANENT ACCESS THROUGH, UH, THE FUEL CITY SITE.
SO THIS SITE DOESN'T ACTUALLY TOUCH RIVERFRONT BOULEVARD.
UH, IT DOESN'T INTERACT WITH THE PUBLIC REALM AND IN THAT WAY YOU HAVE TO COME IN AND OUT THROUGH FUEL CITY AS I DID.
AND THAT'S JUST THE ADJACENT MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION USE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT'S NOT PART OF THE LOT OR THAT LOT'S NOT PART OF THE SEP APPLICATION.
BUT THEN, UH, THE EXPANSION IS SHOWN HERE ON LOT TWO, UH, WHERE THEY BASICALLY BUILD THEIR PARKING LOT BACKWARDS AND THEN HAVE CHARGERS, UM, ON THE, ON THE PARKING SPOTS.
AND SO, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.
QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER DUBINSKI.
SO, UM, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY MAJOR INVESTMENTS HAPPENING TO THE RIVERFRONT AREA AND SURROUNDING AREAS I LIVE, I LIVE PRETTY CLOSE, SO I'M, I'M, I'M AWARE OF THE, UH, VERY LONG TERM PROJECT TO, UH, IMPROVE THE STREET SCAPING OF, OF RIVERFRONT AND, UH, THE WAY THAT RIVERFRONT BOULEVARD IS RIGHT NOW AND WHAT IT WILL BE.
WHAT ABOUT THE KAY BAILEY CONVENTION CENTER? UH, DEFINITELY FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
UM, IT'S A LITTLE, LITTLE FURTHER REMOVED, BUT, UM, I KNOW THAT IS CROSS THE CROSS 35 FROM HERE.
SO WALKING DISTANCE, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS LIKE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN, WELL, YOU'RE WALKING DISTANCE TO, TO A CONVENTION CENTER AS A PERSON WHO HAS WALKED HERE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, UM, IS FURTHER THAN YOU'D HOPE BECAUSE OF 35.
UH, WE SEE CROSS STREETS GOING NORTH SOUTH.
YOU CAN'T ACCESS THEM FROM THE GROUND, UM, VERY EASILY.
SO YOU'RE A BIT FURTHER, UM, ON FOOT THAN, AS THE CROW FLIES.
IT'S, IT'S, OH, I WISH I COULD, I CAN MEASURE WE HAVE THAT, BUT LET'S SAY AT LEAST 500 FEET, UH, ACROSS THE BEAUTIFUL RIGHT OF WAY OF 35 AND YOU'RE AT THE CONVENTION CENTER SITE.
DO, ARE YOU AWARE OF LIKE HOW THE, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH MONEY THE CITY IS INVESTING INTO THAT PROJECT? I, I'LL, I, NO, I'M NOT GONNA MAKE A JOKE ABOUT IT, ABOUT THE ELECTION
YEAH, I I HEARD IT'S NORTH OF $3 BILLION.
IS THAT, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT A MAJOR INVESTMENT? SURE.
AND, AND DO YOU THINK THE SURROUNDING AREAS ARE GONNA HAVE TO SUPPORT THAT INVESTMENT? I THINK THE CITY, UH, THROUGH ITS PLANNING PROCESSES SHOULD SEEK THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THINGS NEAR ITS INVESTMENTS.
AND IS, IS IT FAIR TO SAY, LIKE, OUR COLLECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY IS TO MAKE SURE THE LAND USE SUPPORTS MAJOR INVESTMENTS MADE BY THE CITY? CERTAINLY.
SO WHY DO YOU THINK A PERMANENT SUP IS APPROPRIATE IN AN AREA WHERE THE FUTURE NEEDS ARE MAYBE UNCERTAIN, BUT THE INVESTMENT IS SO BIG? YEAH, NO, I, I, UH, GREAT QUESTION.
OF COURSE, SUP DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT A USE MAINTAINED.
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THE, THE SHORT ANSWER IS THAT WHEN THIS SITE DOESN'T WANT TO BE A MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION SITE, THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER WILL, WILL HAVE THE ONUS TO, TO CHANGE IT OR, OR WHAT HAVE YOU, WHOEVER THAT OWNER IS.THE LONG ANSWER IS THAT THIS PROPERTY IS ALREADY ENTITLED TO, UM, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY FORM-BASED ZONING.
IT'S PRETTY, UM, IT'S PRETTY ROBUST, UH, MIXED USE, FORM-BASED ZONING THAT CALLS FOR WHEN THEY DO REDEVELOP A PROPERTY.
I THINK FUEL CITY WAS BUILT BEFORE ANY OF THAT, I'M CERTAIN OF IT.
UM, BUT WHEN THEY DO REDEVELOP BOTH THIS SUBJECT SITE, THE NEIGHBORS TO THE EAST, UH, NORTH OF RIVERFRONT, WELL, THAT'S 35, BUT, UM, NORTH, UH, ALONG RIVERFRONT, THEY HAVE TO BUILD OUT UNDER THE FORM BASED ZONING, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.
SO WHEN THEY DO REDEVELOP, UH, SIGNIFICANT BUILDINGS, THEY HAVE TO KIND OF FOLLOW THAT, UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDINGS.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT ZONING IS IN PLACE TO A DEGREE, AND I, I HOPE THAT IT DOES, UM, HELP, AS WE SAID, LEVERAGE THE INVESTMENT.
UM, BUT THE GOOD SIDE, AND WHY I DON'T THINK A PERMANENT SUP REALLY PLAYS INTO THAT INVESTMENT IS THAT IT CAN, IF THIS SUP STAYS FOREVER, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THEM TO REMAIN A MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION, WHICH, OR A LITTLE PARKING LOT AT AS IT WERE.
UM, THEY CAN REDEVELOP BY RIGHT UNDER THAT FORM-BASED ZONING, AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT BUILDING ANOTHER MODE OF VEHICLE FUELING STATION, UM, WITH MIXED USE, UM, TOMORROW IF THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER DECIDES TO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT.
LET'S GET IT INTO THE RECORD, PLEASE.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION ON PROPERTY ZONED MIXED MASTER RIVERFRONT SUB AREA WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 7 84, THE TRINITY RIVER CORRIDOR SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF SOUTH RIVERFRONT BOULEVARD BETWEEN JEFFERSON BOULEVARD, DI VIADUCT, AND THE SOUTH I 35 EAST FREEWAY.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? GOOD AFTERNOON.
I'M A SENIOR DESIGN ENGINEER HERE, UH, FOR THE TESLA CHARGING TEAM IN TEXAS.
AND I WANTED TO JUST SHARE SOME HISTORY AND INFORMATION REGARDING THE EXISTING SITE.
UH, WE ORIGINALLY OPENED THIS LOCATION, UH, IN AUGUST OF 2022 WITH A 10 STALL, UH, CHARGING STATION.
SINCE OPENING THIS SITE, TESLA HAS OPENED ITS CHARGING NETWORK TO ALL OEMS WHO EITHER ADOPT OUR MAX CHARGING STA UH, CHARGING STANDARD PORT, OR SUPPLY THEIR DRIVERS WITH AN ADAPTER.
UH, AS EV ADOPTION CONTINUES TO GROW, SO HAS THE USAGE AT OUR CHARGING STATIONS.
DALLAS SOUTH RIVERFRONT IS A HIGHLY UTILIZED SITE.
UH, THE NUMBER OF WAITERS, WHICH ARE DRIVERS WHO ARRIVE AND HAVE TO WAIT TO CHARGE, UH, IS QUICKLY SWELLING TO OVER 500 DRIVERS A MONTH.
UM, IT RECENTLY, WE RECENTLY ECLIPSED, UH, ECLIPSED 10,000 CHARGING SESSIONS THIS PAST MAY AND OVER 240,000 CHARGING SESSIONS SINCE OPENING THE SITE, UH, WITH CONSERVATIVE ASSUMPTIONS, THIS SINGLE 10 CHARGE POST SITE HAS PROVIDED ROUGHLY 48 MILLION MILES DRIVEN, UH, FROM ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
AND, UH, YEAH, THANK YOU FOR TIME.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF ANYBODY HAS ANY.
UH, WE NEED A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF CASE Z 25 0 0 0 5 6.
I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UM, AND THE STAFFING, UH, RECOMMENDATION WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT WOULD MAKE A FIVE YEAR TERM.
CAN I HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, UH, HOUSE, RIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
BEFORE WE GO TO, UH, OUR DISCUSSION IN QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, I THINK WE HAVE SOME ONLINE SPEAKERS.
ARE THEY ONLINE? OKAY, LET'S, LET'S GO BACK TO THEM FIRST BEFORE WE GO TO OUR DISCUSSION.
IS, UH, MS. HONEYCUTT ONLINE? YES, I'M HERE.
UH, SARAH HONEYCUTT WITH GPD GROUP.
I'M THE PERMIT, UH, COORDINATOR
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FOR THIS PROJECT.UM, MY ADDRESS IS FIVE 20 SOUTH MAIN STREET, SUITE 25, 31, AKRON, OHIO, 4 4 3 1 1.
I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WE HAVE ABOUT THE PROJECT.
PLEASE STAND BY, THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UH, HOW ABOUT MR. HASTINGS? YES.
UM, SHANE HASTINGS, 7 5 7 2 SILVERVIEW LANE, RALEIGH, NORTH CAROLINA.
I AM A, UH, TESLA, UH, ENGINEER AS WELL.
UH, WORKING ON THIS PROJECT, I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO WORK, UH, WITH YOU ALL AND WORK ON THE ORIGINAL, UH, 10 STALL PROJECT THAT MY COLLEAGUE JACOB PHILLY, JUST, UH, DISCUSSED.