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GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
WE ARE SO SORRY FOR THE DELAY.
WELCOME TO THE HEARING OF THE PERMIT AND LICENSE APPEAL BOARD FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
IT IS OFFICIALLY 8 59 ON THURSDAY, JULY 3RD, 2025.
WE HAVE TWO HEARINGS ON TODAY'S AGENDA, THAT BEING FOR RODEO S DALLAS, APPEALING THE DENIAL OF A DANCE HALL, LATE HOURS PERMIT, AND CK BILLIARDS APPEAR APPEALING, THE DENIAL OF A BILLIARD HALL PERMIT AT THIS TIME.
I WILL DO A ROLL CALL IF PRESENT.
MR. JEFFERSON, CAN WE HAVE YOU TURN ON YOUR CAMERA AS WELL? OKAY.
I JUST CAN'T HEAR, OR, UM, I THINK HIS VIDEO'S OFF, SO HE MAY BE HAVING SOME TECHNICAL ISSUES.
UH, MR. ILLA? OH, THERE HE IS.
MR. JEFFERSON, CAN YOU HEAR US? NOW WE CAN SEE YOUR VIDEO, BUT WE CANNOT HEAR YOU.
SO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR AUDIO, UM, TURNED ON PLEASE.
UH, I ALSO NEED VIDEO AND AUDIO TURNED ON.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU HEAR ME? OH, I CAN HEAR YOU NOW.
IS MY VIDEO NOT SHOWING UP BECAUSE IT'S BEEN ON FOR
NOW I CAN SEE I MIGHT A CONNECTION ISSUE, BUT I DO HAVE THE CAMERA ON.
YEAH, NO, WE CAN SEE YOU NOW AND I CAN HEAR YOU.
UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I GOT YOU ON.
SO, ABSENT FROM THIS HEARING, OFFICIALLY ARE CHAIR SATNICK, UH, MS. KYLE, UM, AND MR. CILLA, WE HAVE ONE NEW MEMBER, MS. CARMEN ALA, WHO WILL BE OBSERVING THIS HEARING TODAY.
THIS HEARING TODAY, WE HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT AND THIS MEETING IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER.
WILL OTHERS PRESENT AT TODAY'S HEARING? PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF, STARTING WITH THE BOARD'S GENERAL COUNSEL.
SHE'S ON, SHE'S BEEN ON THE BOARD.
WE'LL, WE'LL START WITH THAT ONE ONE MORE TIME.
WILL OTHERS PRESENT AT TODAY'S HEARING? PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF, STARTING WITH THE BOARD'S GENERAL COUNSEL.
THE APPELLANTS REPRESENTATIVES.
AND CHAIR, I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE MS. CANON ON NOW.
MS. CANON, CAN WE DO AN AUDIO CHECK REALLY QUICK? SORRY.
CAN YOU HEAR US? PERFECT? YES.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE FOR UH, CK BILLIARDS? YES.
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GUESS THEY'LL BE COMING ON LATER.AND, UM, APPELLANT'S WITNESSES FOR, ACTUALLY LET'S DO THE APPELLANT'S WITNESSES FOR, UH, RODEO WEST DALLAS.
AND DO WE HAVE THE APPELLANT'S WITNESSES FOR CK BILLARDS? NO, IT'S JUST US.
CITY ATTORNEY, CITY ATTORNEYS FOR, UM, WE ARE GOING TO END UP STARTING WITH RODEO WEST DALLAS TODAY.
THEY WERE SCHEDULED TO BE ON FIRST AND THEY ARE, THEY'VE MADE IT.
SO WE'VE GOT, UM, THE CITY ATTORNEYS FOR RODEO WEST DALLAS.
AND WE WILL, UM, WELL THEY'RE ALL HERE.
OKAY, SO CITY ATTORNEYS FOR RODEO WEST DALLAS, PLEASE.
MARIA Z PRESENT FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? I'M SO SORRY.
MARIA ZAVALA PRESENT FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS ON THE RODEO WEST MATTER.
AND, UM, SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE, UH, CITY ATTORNEYS FOR CK BILLARDS, UM, WILL YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? YES.
AND DO WE HAVE ANY CITY WITNESSES PRESENT TODAY? DETECTIVE MONROE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, VICE UNIT DETECTIVE HAYNES, DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, VICE SCHNECK.
AND THEN WE HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL WITNESS ON RESERVE.
IT'S, UH, SERGEANT MENDEL SPENCE WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS THAT HAVE REGISTERED TO ADDRESS THE BOARD TODAY.
AND SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS, WHICH IS APPROVAL, APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
SO OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO REVIEW AND APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM MAY 15TH, 2025.
THESE, UM, WERE EMAILED, I BELIEVE SO IS THERE A MOTION REGARDING MEETING MINUTES FOR MAY 15TH, 2025? I MOVE.
WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
SO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES BY MR. QUINT.
DO ANY OF THE MEMBERS WISH TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THE MOTION IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR VOTE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED? ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY.
THE MOTION PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE OF OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS, UH, AN APPEAL HEARING FOR RODEO WEST DALLAS.
WE, UM, SO RODEO WEST DALLAS IS APPEALING THE DENIAL OF A DANCE HALL LATE HOURS PERMIT UNDER SECTION 14 DASH 3.1 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE.
THE BURDEN OF PROOF FOR THIS HEARING IS ON THE APPELLANT.
SO AT THIS TIME WE WILL, ANY WITNESSES WHO WISH TO TESTIFY IN THIS HEARING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
SO YOU MAY BE SWORN IN BY THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, THE TESTIMONY YOU WILL GIVE BEFORE THIS BOARD TODAY WILL BE THE TRUTH? I DO.
NOW WE WILL GO OVER TIME LIMITS FOR THE PRESENTATIONS.
SO FOR THE RECORD, UM, REGARDING THE APPELLANT, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU ANTICIPATE NEEDING TO PRESENT THE CASE FOR RODEO WEST DALLAS? 10 10 TO 15 MINUTES.
NOW THE CITY, FOR THE RECORD, HOW MUCH TIME DOES THE CITY NEED
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TO PRESENT ITS CASE ALSO AROUND 10 TO 15 MINUTES.UM, I WILL ALLOT EACH OF YOU 15 MINUTES AND IF YOU'RE WELCOME TO USE ALL OF IT, UM, AND OR, OR NOT.
SO NOW THE BOARD HAS ACCEPTED INTO EVIDENCE THE DOCUMENTS PRESENTED BY THE APPELLANT TO RODEO WEST DALLAS AND HAS NUMBERED THEM.
ACTUALLY, WE DID NOT RECEIVE AN EXHIBIT FROM RODEO WEST DALLAS, BUT WE ARE ACCEPTING INTO EVIDENCE THE DOCUMENTS PRESENTED BY THE CITY AND HAVE NUMBERED THEM.
NOW, WOULD THE CITY ATTORNEY PLEASE READ THE RELEVANT ORDINANCE? ORDINANCE CITY ATTORNEY TODAY YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU AN APPEAL OF A DENIAL OF A DANCE HALL LATE HOURS PERMIT.
THE BOARD MAY REVERSE THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND GRANT A ONE YEAR EXEMPTION FROM THE LOCATIONAL RESTRICTIONS FOR A LATE HOURS PERMIT.
UM, IF THIS BOARD FINDS A FOLLOWING, THAT ONE, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DANCE HALL WILL NOT HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON NEARBY PROPERTY OR BE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY OR WELFARE TO THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DANCE HALL.
WILL NOT DOWNGRADE THE PROPERTY VALUE OR OR QUALITY OF LIFE IN ANY ADJACENT AREA OR ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT OF URBAN BLIGHT.
THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DANCE HALL OPERATING UNDER A LATE HOURS PERMIT IN THE AREA WILL NOT BE CONTRARY TO ANY PROGRAM OF NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION OR INTERVIEW WITH ANY EFFORTS OF URBAN RENEWAL OR RESTORATION.
AND FOUR, ALL OTHER APPLICABLE PROVISIONS OF THIS CHAPTER WILL BE OBSERVED IF THE, IF THIS BOARD FINDS IN THE CONTRARY TO ANY ONE OF THE PREVIOUS STATEMENTS, THEN THIS BOARD MAY AFFIRM, UM, THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO OPENING STATEMENTS.
SO, UM, FOR THE APPELLANT RODEO WEST DALLAS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BEGIN WITH A BRIEF OPENING STATEMENT? YES.
BOARD MEMBERS AND CITY STAFF AND OTHER GUESTS.
MY NAME IS GINA CANNON AND I'VE BEEN HIRED BY THE APPELLANT RODEO WEST DALLAS TO ASSIST HIM IN, UM, ASKING FOR YOU TO APPEAL THE LATE HOURS REJECTION.
THEY HAVE BEEN OPEN SINCE 2019 AND THEY HAVE WENT TO GREAT LENGTHS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, A GOOD BUSINESS.
SO WE WILL DISCUSS THAT, UM, MORE AS WE GO ON AND COVER THE CONFIDENCE OF THE POLICE REPORTS IN THE AREA.
DOES THE CITY HAVE A BRIEF OPENING STATEMENT? UM, NO.
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE PRESENTATIONS.
WE ARE READY TO BEGIN PRESENTATIONS, STARTING WITH THE PRESENTATION FROM THE APPELLANT.
I WILL, UM, START MY TIMER FOR 15 MINUTES NOW.
THAT DOES INCLUDE THE TIME THAT YOU PRESENT NOW AND ANY QUESTIONING THAT YOU HAVE FOR, UM, FOR THE CITY AT A LATER TIME.
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
AS I SAID, MY CLIENTS, UM, HAVE BEEN AT THIS LOCATION SINCE APRIL OF 2019.
THEY DO HAVE LIVE MUSIC ON THE WEEKENDS, AND THEY ARE LOCATED CLOSE TO AN APARTMENT COMPLEX LOCATED ON ANOTHER STREET AND BEHIND THE HUGE SHOPPING CENTER THAT THEY ARE LOCATED IN.
UH, I WILL LET THE, UH, CLIENT TELL YOU WHAT ALL THEY'VE DONE TO THE BUILDING TO ENSURE NOISE CONTROL SO THAT THERE ARE NO COMPLAINTS FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE THE CLOSEST TO HIS, UH, AREA.
FURTHERMORE, THEY STAY OPEN LATE, UH, AFTER THEY CAN SELL ALCOHOL AND PLAY MUSIC ON PURPOSE SO THAT THERE'S A VERY ORDERLY, UM, EXITING OF THE BUILDING.
THEY OFFER NON-ALCOHOLIC DRINKS SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE TIME, 30 MINUTES, 45 MINUTES, OR ANY EFFECT OF ALCOHOL TO BE REMOVED FROM THE PERSON'S SYSTEM.
THEY HAVE ON-DUTY, POLICE OFFICER, UM, OFF-DUTY POLICE OFFICERS AND OTHER SECURITY IN THE PARKING LOT.
THEY DO EVERYTHING THAT A GOOD BUSINESS COULD DO TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE COME HAVE A NICE TIME, THE NEIGHBORS ARE NOT DISTURBED, AND, UM, PEOPLE EXIT THERE IN AN ORDERLY MANNER.
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THAT IS EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE SOMEONE TO DO IF THEY ARE ASKING FOR LATE HOURS.LAST YEAR THEY HAD A UNANIMOUS APPROVAL AND SOMEONE EVEN EXPRESSED THEIR WISH THAT THEY COULD MAKE IT MORE THAN ONE YEAR BECAUSE THEY DO AN EXCELLENT JOB.
AS FAR AS ALCOHOL IS CONCERNED, I USED TO WORK FOR TABC AND RODEO WEST DOES EVERYTHING THAT TBC REQUIRES.
THEY RENEW THEIR PERMIT EVERY TWO YEARS.
THEY CONDUCT THEIR COMPLIANCE INSPECTION EVERY TWO YEARS.
THEY DO NOT, THEY'RE NEVER LATE ON MAKING THEIR PAYMENTS FOR THEIR ALCOHOL.
THEY'VE NEVER BEEN IN TROUBLE ONE TIME WITH TABC SINCE 2019 AS FAR AS OWNING THE ALCOHOL PERMIT.
SO I'M GONNA LET MR. ELLIS TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE BUILDING ITSELF SINCE THAT'S HIS AREA.
THE BUILDING ITSELF, IT'S BEEN RECONSTRUCTED IS WE DO HAVE TO, UH, SECURITY, UH, OUTSIDE, UM, ON THEIR BACK DOOR.
SO WE MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE CAN GO TO THE BACK OR TRY TO HAVE NOT TO HAVE ANYBODY EXCEPT FOR PARKING ON THE BACK.
AND WE KEEP A VERY, VERY, UH, STRAIGHT, UH, MINIMAL, UH, ANY ANYTIME NOISE IN THE BACK.
WE MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT WE DO, UH, TAKE CARE OF OUR, OF OUR, UH, OUR CUSTOMERS, MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO GET WATER ON THEIR WAY OUT.
THEY, UH, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING.
YOU HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE POLICE? YEAH, WE DO HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE POLICE AND, UH, WE DO PRETTY GOOD ON, ON OUR PART OF MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY LEAVES THERE IN THE ELDERLY.
THAT'S THE REASON WE DO NEED THE, THE EXTRA HOUR JUST TO MAKE SURE WE GIVE WATER TO EVERYONE THAT THAT NEEDS WATER ON THEIR WAY OUT.
SO WE TRY TO, TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HELP AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS IN SECURE.
NOW DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPELLANT? UM, AND THEIR WITNESS? UH, NO, NOT AT THIS TIME.
NOW WE WILL GO THROUGH QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
UM, SO LET'S START WITH MS. THOMAS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPELLANT? I'M SORRY.
MS. THOMAS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, MS. THOMAS.
OKAY, MS. THOMAS, I'M GONNA COME BACK TO YOU.
MR. JEFFERSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YOU'RE ALSO ON MUTE.
MUTE, DID YOU SAY NO QUESTIONS? YES.
NOW WE CAN HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
UM, MR. JEFF, QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.
UM, MR. GONZALEZ, I DO HAVE, DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.
IS THIS, THIS ANY OUTDOOR SPACE AT THIS LOCATION? THIS LOCATION? WE HAVE A, MR. GONZALEZ IS LOGGED ON TWICE, SO THAT'S WHY HE IS GETTING AN ECHO.
WELL, NO, WE DO NOT, BUT WE, WE JUST HAVE LIKE A, A LITTLE SPOT WHERE WE LET THEM, IF THEY'RE GONNA SMOKE FOR SO THEY CAN SMOKE OUTSIDE.
BUT THERE'S NO ENTERTAINMENT OUTSIDE
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AT ALL? OUTSIDE? IT'S ALL INSIDE.INSIDE IT IS THAT SPACE, THE FRONT OR THE BACK? THE, WE SMOKE IT.
NOW, MS. THOMAS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? CAN YOU SHOW US, UH, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO HEAR YOU MS. THOMAS, BUT CAN YOU NOD OR JUST SHAKE YOUR HEAD IF YOU DO NOT NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, GREAT.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, MR. ELLIS, I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
ARE YOU THE, THE OWNER OF RODEO WEST DALLAS? I AM, UH, ONE OF THE OWNERS.
THERE'S, UH, UH, FOUR OWNERS IN THE, THAT OWN THE, THE BUSINESS.
AND WHAT ARE YOUR CURRENT OPERATING HOURS? IT'S, IT IS, IT IS FROM EIGHT TO TWO IN THE MORNING.
AND YOU'D LIKE TO BE OPEN TILL FOUR IN THE MORNING, CORRECT? WE'D LIKE TO BE OPEN TILL FOUR O'CLOCK, BUT BASICALLY WE, WE JUST NEED ONE HOUR JUST SO THE PEOPLE CAN START WHEN THEY LEAVE THE BUILDING.
THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE, UH, THEY CAN JUST ALL GO AND NOT ALL BE STAMPEDED UP WAITING FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR CARS THE WAY WE HAVE.
AND THEN WHOEVER HAS BEEN DRINKING OR WHATEVER, WE'LL LEAVE IT OPEN SO THEY COULD DANCE A LITTLE BIT WITHOUT, NO, WE, WE STOP SELLING ALCOHOL, SO, SO THEY'LL COME SO THEY WON'T LEAVE THE BUILDING.
SOLD, UH, OVER, UH, INTOXICATED.
SO WILL YOU BE ADVERTISING LIKE EIGHT TO FOUR? EIGHT TO THREE? OH, NO MA'AM.
WE ADVERTISE FROM EIGHT, UH, EIGHT TO TWO.
FOR TIME THAT YOU GUYS GET, IF YOU, WE GET THIS EXTRA TIME.
IT'S JUST SO WE CAN MAKE SURE EVERYTHING, EVERYBODY LIVES IN A BETTER ELDERLY.
'CAUSE IT IS, WE STOP SELLING LIQUOR AT TWO IN THE MORNING.
AND THEN YOU MENTIONED THERE HAS BEEN NO COMPLAINTS, UM, FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS, NOT EVEN THE, ANY APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE NEARBY.
YOU'VE HAD NO COMPLAINTS? NO, MA'AM.
BUT WE ACTUALLY, WELL IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, BUT WE ACTUALLY SENT ONE OF OUR MANAGERS TO GO OUT THERE AND ASK THE MANAGER IF THERE HAS BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS.
AND WE HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY YET, MA'AM.
UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR QUESTIONS, BUT I, I WILL GO THROUGH, UM, THE BOARD ONE MORE TIME TO SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
UM, I'LL START ONE ONCE MORE WITH MS. THOMAS.
AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO NOD OR SH UH, SHAKE YOUR HEAD BECAUSE I THINK WE MAY BE HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.
MS. THOMAS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? NO.
UH, MR. JEFFERSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? SORRY, OVER THERE.
SORRY, MR. JEFF, I CAN READ LIPS.
HE SAID NO QUESTIONS MR. JEFF.
AND MR. GONZALEZ, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.
AND, UM, MY LAST QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE APPROVED YOUR LATE HOURS PERMIT FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS.
UH, CAN YOU DESCRIBE A LITTLE, UM, THE EFFECT OF WHAT THAT HAS HAD ON YOUR BUSINESS? YES, I CAN.
IT, IT HELPS US JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE LIVE IN THE ELDERLY WAY.
UH, IT HELPS US WITH, ACTUALLY THAT'S, THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN IS PEOPLE LEAVING THAT PLACE AND, AND, AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY, UH, HAS A EASIER WAY TO GET OUT TO WHEN THEY LEAVE.
BUT BASICALLY, PRETTY MUCH THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHY I NEED THE EXTRA, UH, LATE HOUR APARTMENT.
IT'S NOT 'CAUSE OF ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT.
UM, WE ARE NOW READY FOR THE CITY TO BEGIN ITS PRESENTATION.
THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO CALL DETECTIVE, UH, HIO RE UH, OKAY.
AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT? BEEN WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR ABOUT 29 YEARS.
UH, BEEN WITH THE VICE UNIT AB ABOUT FIVE YEARS.
AND CAN YOU PLEASE WALK US THROUGH WHAT THE VICE UNIT
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DOES? VICE UNIT, UH, RESPONSIBILITY IS TO, UM, WE HANDLE APPLICATIONS A LOT OF DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS, WHICH ARE YOUR, UH, WE COULD SAY YOUR, UH, DANCE HALL APPLICATIONS, LATE HOUR PERMITS, UH, SEXUAL ORIENTED BUSINESS, UH, BAY HALL LICENSES, UM, UM, AM I MISSING ANY OF 'EM? UH, NORMALLY WE PROCESS GET THE APPLICATIONS, MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE SUBMITTED, UH, VERIFY THAT THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE CURRENT.UH, WE THEN PROCESS THOSE DOCUMENTS AND OBTAINED, UH, GET 'EM TO THE CITY ATTORNEY SO THEY COULD APPROVE A EITHER LATE HOURS OR A WHATEVER PERMIT THEY'RE APPLYING FOR.
AND WILL YOU BRIEFLY SUMMARIZE THE LATE NIGHT HOURS PERMITTING PROCESS? LATE LATE HOURS ARE GONNA BE MAINLY FOR A DANCE HALL.
UM, A LOT OF BUSINESSES WILL CLOSE AT LIKE A DANCE HALL LICENSE.
SO THEY ALLOWS 'EM TO STAY OPEN TO 2:00 AM UH, WHENEVER THEY APPLY FOR LATE HOURS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE GIVEN AN ADDITIONAL TWO HOURS.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM 2:00 AM TO 4:00 AM UH, DURING THOSE TIMES, AGAIN, UH, THEY WILL NOT BE ALCOHOL IS NOT PER ALCOHOL IS THE CELL OF ALCOHOL IS NOT PERMITTED.
UH, ALL ALCOHOL WAS SEIZED AT 2:00 AM AND ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH RODEO WEST DALLAS? YES, I AM.
UM, WOULD YOU MIND TELLING US WHY THEIR PERMIT WAS DENIED? THEIR PERMIT? UH, THEIR LATE HOURS PERMIT WAS, UH, PERMIT WAS DENIED ONLY 'CAUSE IT'S WITHIN THAT, UH, THERE WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
UM, UH, UM, THERE WAS NO, UM, IT'S AUTOMATICALLY DENIAL WHENEVER IT'S WITHIN THAT 1000 FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND AS PART OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS, IS IT NORMAL TO REVIEW THE CRIMINAL OFFENSES THAT MAY HAVE OCCURRED? VERY, UH, YES.
AND IS THERE ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR WHEN YOU REVIEW THOSE OFFENSES? A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT, UH, ANY TYPE OF OFFENSES THAT LOUD MUSIC, UH, DISTURBANCES OR, UH, IF IT'S A CONTINUOUS OCCURRENCE OF ANY TYPE OF DISTURBANCES AT THAT LOCATION.
AND OVER THE LAST YEAR, WHAT KINDS OF CRIMES, IF ANY, OCCURRED AT RODEO WEST? UM, LEMME SEE.
WHAT TYPE IS THAT? I BELIEVE THAT'S TAB FIVE.
UH, ON TAB FIVE, I, UH, ON TAB FIVE I DID A BREAKDOWN OF THE, UH, THE, THE OFFICES DURING THAT ONE YEAR.
UH, AND WE HAD A TOTAL OF, UH, 26 CALLS, 9 1 1 CALLS TO THAT LOCATION, WHICH IS A BIG SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH, UH, AS IT'S, UH, STOOD FOR FOR SOUTH JUAN WALKER.
AGAIN, A LOT OF THESE 9 1 1 CALLS A LOT OF TIMES THAT WE'RE GONNA RECEIVE.
SINCE IT'S A SHOPPING CENTER, IT'S NOT ALWAYS TOWARDS A CLUB SINCE THERE'S OTHER BUSINESSES, ALL THE, UH, 9 1 1 REGISTERS IS THAT THERE'S A CALL THERE.
UH, OFFICES REPORTED AT THAT ADDRESS WAS ONLY FOUR FOUR FOR THE CLUB ITSELF.
UH, OFFENSES DID NOT OCCUR AT THAT, AT RODEO WEST WAS ONE THAT WAS REPORTED.
SO THE TOTAL, UH, OFFENSES THAT OCCURRED AT RODEO WEST FOR THAT YEAR, THAT PERIOD OF YEAR WAS ONLY THREE.
AND WHAT KINDS OF OFFENSES WERE THOSE THREE? UM, I DID A BREAKDOWN ON THE FOLLOWING PA UM, WHERE'S MY BREAKDOWN? UM, TAB SIX SIX, THERE'S A BREAKDOWN OF THE OFFENSES, WHICH WERE, UH, IF YOU NOTICE, SEE THAT THE TWO OF 'EM WERE LIKE STOLEN CARS.
UH, ONE OF 'EM WAS A CELL PHONE THAT WAS MISPLACED, LOST OR THERE, SO MADE A REPORT AND THE OTHER ONE WAS A, UH, INTOXICATED PERSON THAT, UH, JUST FELL TO GROUND.
AND ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY SECURITY MEASURES AT RODEO WEST? UH, THEY DO HAVE SECURITY MEASURES.
THEY DO HAVE, UH, CAMERAS OUT THERE.
UM, WHENEVER WE'VE BEEN THERE, 'CAUSE WE'VE ACTUALLY INSPECTED 'EM, UH, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
UM, THEY DID HAVE, UH, I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE WAY THEY, UH, KEEP THEIR LIQUOR INSIDE, HOW THEY SECURE EVERYTHING, HOW THEY, UH, ACTUALLY MADE SO MANY CHANGES TO ENSURE THAT, UH, I THINK THE CROWD LEAVES A LITTLE BIT SAFER.
IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO LEAVE AND, UH, WAYS OF EXIT.
UM, THEY DO HAVE SECURITY GUARDS IN EACH DOOR.
THAT WAY THEY MONITOR THAT NOBODY COMES IN AND THAT THOSE DOORS REMAIN CLOSED.
SO THAT WAY THERE'S NO SOUND EVER GOING OUT.
UH, SO, UH, AS A PLUS, UM, THEY, UH, I MEAN, AGAIN, WE INSPECTED 'EM, THEY'RE ALL THERE.
TABC LICENSES AND ALL THE PERMITS WERE UP TO DATE AND CURRENT, CURRENT AND UP TO DATE, THEIR CO AND ALL.
ANY ADDITIONAL PERMITS? UH, GO AHEAD.
UM, AND IS IT YOUR OPINION THAT THE SECURITY MEASURES THEY DO HAVE ARE SUFFICIENT? YES, I DO.
AND THEY, UH, AGAIN, THEY ALSO HAVE, UH, PRIVATE SECURITY THAT, UH, IS WORKS, I WANNA SAY OUTSIDE.
THEY HAVE THEIR BOUNCERS INSIDE PRIVATE SECURITY OUTSIDE, AND THEY HAVE ONE THAT ACTUALLY JUST ROAMS AROUND.
UH, I THINK THEY, LAST TIME THEY HAD A CAR, I THINK IT WAS IN A CAR WITH LIGHTS.
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AND AS FAR AS YOU'RE AWARE, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS FROM RESIDENTS REGARDING RODEO WEST DALLAS? NO, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY.WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINTS.
UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WAS CHECKING FOR THOSE LOUD MUSICS FROM ANYBODY AROUND.
DOES THE APPELLANT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE DETECTIVE MONTREAL OR THE CITY? NO, MA'AM.
I WILL NOW MOVE TO THE BOARD QUESTIONS.
I'LL START WITH, UM, MS. THOMAS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY? NO.
MR. JEFFERSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY? OKAY, NO QUESTIONS.
UM, AND MR. JEFFS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY? NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY? ONE QUICK ONE.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU DETECTIVE MONTREAL FOR YOUR SERVICE AND FOR YOUR TIME HERE.
HAS, AND I RECALL THAT, UH, THIS SAILED THROUGH A YEAR AGO.
HAS ANYTHING IN YOUR MIND CHANGED SINCE A YEAR AGO? NO, SIR.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I THINK THEY DID A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN LAST YEAR.
UM, I DID CHECK THE, UH, OFFICES OR IF ANY TYPE OF OFFICER OFFICES THAT HAD OCCURRED BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 2:00 AM AND 4:00 AM AND THERE WAS NONE ACTUALLY, THEY BROUGHT IT DOWN TO ZERO.
UH, THANK YOU DETECTIVE FOR YOUR 29 YEARS OF SERVICE.
WE TRULY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO FOR THE CITY.
I'VE JUST ONE EASY, QUICK QUESTION.
IF IT WAS SOLELY UP TO YOU TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION, IF THEY COULD HAVE THE LATE NIGHT HOURS PERMIT, WOULD YOU APPROVE IT? YES, SIR.
MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ASKED ALL MINE.
AND, UH, MR. QUINT ASKED THE QUESTION THAT I HAD FOR DETECTIVE RE THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
SO WE WILL GO, WE'LL DO ONE MORE ROUND WITH THE BOARD AND THEN WE'LL, UM, PRETTY MUCH FINISH.
SO, MS. THOMAS, ANY LAST QUESTION FOR THE CITY? WILL YOU GIVE US A NOD OR A SHAKE? MS. THOMAS? OKAY.
UM, MR. HAYES, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
UM, MR. JEFF, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
SO WE WILL, UM, NOW HEAR CLOSING STATEMENTS.
EACH SIDE WILL HAVE 10 MINUTES.
WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE APPELLANT'S CLOSING STATEMENTS.
UM, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, MA'AM.
WE ARE VERY, UM, PROUD OF THE RECORD THAT RODEO WEST HAS AS FAR AS THE SALE OF ALCOHOL, THE PLAYING OF MUSIC, AND THE ORDERLY EXITING OF THE BUILDING.
UM, MY CLIENT IS EVEN SURPRISED THAT IT'S EVEN A BETTER RECORD THAN LAST YEAR BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY CONSCIENTIOUS.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE, AND THEY MAKE IT, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THEM TO BE A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS AND ALSO TO HAVE A VERY GOOD TRACK RECORD.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND CONSIDERATION TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE A LITTLE EXTRA TIME FOR PEOPLE TO EXIT ORDERLY AND ALSO TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME TO LET ANY ALCOHOL IN THEIR SYSTEM TO DISSIPATE.
AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.
NOW WE WILL HAVE THE CITY'S STATEMENTS AND, UM,
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ARGUMENTS FOR THE CLOSING STATEMENTS.SO THE CITY HAS NOW WAIVED CLOSING STATEMENTS.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE BOARD REGARDING THE DENIAL OF A DANCE HALL LATE HOURS PERMIT FOR RODEO WEST, EITHER TO AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE OR REVERSE THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
I MOVE THAT WE REVERSE THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND GRANT RODEO WITH RODEO WEST, A ONE YEAR EXEMPTION.
OKAY, SO I HAVE A MOTION TO REVERSE THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE BY MR. HAYES.
SECONDED BY MS. SHIN, DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WISH TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THE MOTION BEFORE WE, UM, WE VOTE? I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THAT RODEO WEST HAS BEEN BEFORE THE BOARD.
UM, AND IT'S REFRESHING TO SEE ITS CONTINUED, UM, UM, PERSEVERANCE, LIKE NOT WHAT DETECTIVE MONTREAL SAID, THAT IT'S NOT STATUS QUO.
YOU ARE, WE CONTINUALLY APPROVE YOUR, UM, LATE HOURS PERMIT AND YOU CONTINUE TO IMPROVE FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
SO, UM, WE LIKE TO SEE, I'M, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA SEE.
WE WANNA SEE BUSINESS OWNERS TAKING TIME AND, UM, IMPROVING THE AREA THAT THEIR BUSINESS IS IN.
AND SO IT MAKES IT EASY TO CONTINUALLY APPROVE THE LATE HOURS.
UM, AND HOPEFULLY NEXT YEAR, UM, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO IT FOR TWO YEARS, NOT JUST ONE.
DO I HAVE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST THE MOTION? OKAY.
DO I HAVE ANY MEMBERS WANTING TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION? NOPE.
I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO DITTO WHAT, UM, MISSION SAID.
I THINK THAT WE ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO WANT, IF THEY COME BACK, UM, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, WE'D LIKE TO SEE IMPROVEMENT AND, UH, YOU GUYS HAVE DONE THAT.
SO WE DO APPRECIATE THAT WE'RE NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE READY TO VOTE.
SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF AFFIRMING, I'M SORRY, REVERSING THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE SAY, AYE.
SO THE MOTION PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE TO REVERSE THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UM, FOR TODAY'S HEARING.
WE WILL TAKE A QUICK FIVE MINUTE RECESS BEFORE OUR NEXT HEARING.
WE WILL SEE EVERYBODY IN FIVE MINUTES.
GOSH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED.
MS. THOMAS, IS THAT YOU? HELLO? YES, I'M STILL TRYING TO WORK ON MY MIC.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? I CAN HEAR YOU NOW.
CAN YOU HEAR US ALRIGHT? WE WILL BE, YES.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE A, AT THIS POINT, LIKE A FOUR MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE'LL WE, WE WILL BE BACK ON.
YOU CAN TURN OFF YOUR CAMERA IF YOU'D LIKE, BUT YOU NEED TO BE ON IN FOUR MINUTES.
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OKAY, SO, UM, MR. HAYES, MISS ALA AND MR. GONZALEZ, IF, UM, AND I DON'T SEE MR, I DON'T SEE HIM ON HERE.SO MR. JEFFERSON, DO YOU MIND TURNING ON YOUR CAMERA? WE ARE ABOUT, WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO GETTING STARTED.
CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES, I CAN HEAR YOU.
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WE ARE JUST WAITING ON, UM, CITY ATTORNEY TO COME RIGHT BACK.SO WE WILL WAIT AN ADDITIONAL MINUTE.
WE ARE NOW READY TO GO ON RECORD FOR THE SECOND APPEAL HEARING OF THE PERMIT AND LICENSE APPEAL BOARD FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
IT IS NOW 9:46 AM ON THURSDAY, JULY 3RD.
AT THIS TIME, I WILL DO A ROLL CALL, NOT OF THE BOARD BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY HAVE ON THE RECORD THAT ABSENT FROM THIS HEARING ARE, UH, MS. KYLE, MR. ILLA, AND CHAIR NIK.
SO WE DO HAVE A QUORUM FOR THE BOARD AND WE WILL PROCEED WITH PRESENTATION OR RATHER, UM, JUST GO AHEAD AND GIVE US A ROLL CALL FOR THE BOARD'S GENERAL COUNSEL.
DONNA BROWN, NANCY SANCHEZ, UH, THE APPELLANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE? IT'S THEM, RIGHT? MM-HMM
CAN YOU, UM, STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? UH, KU.
I'M, I'M JUST A TRANSLATOR FOR, FOR J SONG.
WHO, UM, WHO ELSE IS HERE FOR THE APPELLANT? BRANDON MOORE.
NOW, UM, THE APPELLANT'S WITNESSES, CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME? UH, WE HAVE NO WITNESSES OTHER THAN US.
UH, IT WOULD BE BRANDON MOORE ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS OR CHASE HONG.
SO THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS TO HEAR THE APPEAL REQUEST OF CK BILLIARDS APPEALING THE DENIAL OF A BILLIARD HALL PERMIT UNDER SECTION NINE A DASH THREE OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE.
THE BURDEN OF PROOF FOR THIS HEARING IS ON THE APPELLANT AT THIS TIME.
ANY WITNESSES WHO WISH TO TESTIFY IN THE HEARING HAVE ALREADY BEEN SWORN IN, CORRECT? YOU'VE NO, WE DIDN'T SWEAR THESE.
SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SWEAR IN OUR, UM, WITNESSES.
YOU WILL BE SWORN IN BY THE CI CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE RIGHT NOW.
DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE BEFORE THIS BOARD TODAY WILL BE THE TRUTH? I DO, I DO.
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OKAY, PERFECT.FOR THE RECORD, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU ANTICIPATE NEEDING TO PRESENT THE CASE, UM, FOR CK BILLIARDS? MR. MOORE? UH, FIVE MINUTES OR LESS.
AND, UM, CITY FOR THE RECORD, HOW MUCH TIME DOES THE CITY NEED TO PRESENT ITS CASE? 25 TO 30.
DO YOU BELIEVE WE COULD DO IT IN 25 MINUTES? I'LL TRY MY BEST.
AND IF WE NEED EXTRA TIME, YOU CAN ALWAYS ASK FOR IT.
SO WE WILL EACH SIDE HAVE 25 MINUTES, BUT, UM, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO USE THE ENTIRE 25 MINUTES.
UM, WE JUST WANNA BE, UH, RESPECTFUL OF THE CITY'S REQUEST FOR IT TO BE 25 TO 30 MINUTES.
SO WE, UM, WE WILL GO WITH THAT.
SO THE BOARD HAS ACCEPTED INTO EVIDENCE THE DOCUMENTS PRESENTED BY THE APPELLANTS AND HAS NUMBERED THEM EX EXHIBIT ONE.
AND THE BOARD HAS ACCEPTED INTO EVIDENCE THE DOCUMENTS PRESENTED BY THE CITY AND HAS ALSO, UM, RATHER THAN NUMBER THEM, WE'VE, WE'VE JUST LABELED THEM EXHIBIT.
NOW, WOULD THE CITY ATTORNEY PLEASE READ THAT RELEVANT ORDINANCE FOR TODAY'S HEARING? TODAY YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU AN APPEAL OF A DENIAL OF A BILLARD HALL PERMIT.
SECTION NINE A DASH THREE STATES THAT THE CHIEF OF POLICE SHALL ISSUE, SHALL ISSUE A LICENSE TO AN APPLICANT WITHIN 30 DAYS AFTER RECEIPT OF THE APPLICATION UNLESS THE CHIEF FINDS ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING TO BE TRUE.
UM, AND IN THIS CASE, SINCE AN APPLICANT HAS BEEN OPERATING THE PROPOSED BUSINESS AS THE BILLIARD HALL WITHOUT A VALID LICENSE ISSUED UNDER CHAPTER NINE A OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE, THEREFORE IT IS THE DUTY OF THIS BOARD TO EVALUATE THE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY PRESENTED BEFORE YOU TODAY TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN OPERATING THE PROPOSED BUSINESS AS A BILLIARD HALL WITHOUT VALID LICENSE ISSUED UNDER CHAPTER NINE A OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE.
IF THE BOARD DETERMINES THAT THE APPELLANT HAS OPERATED WITHOUT A VALID LICENSE, THEN THIS BOARD MAY AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
IF THE BOARD DETERMINES THAT THE APPELLANT HAS NOT BEEN OPERATING WITHOUT A VALID LICENSE, THEN THIS BOARD MAY REVERSE THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
WE WILL NOW MOVE TO OPENING STATEMENTS, UM, TO THE APPELLANT CK BILLARDS.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO BEGIN WITH A BRIEF OPENING STATEMENT? YES, MA'AM.
WE WOULD LIKE, UH, FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF A REVERSAL OF, OF THE, UH, DENIAL, WE DID HAVE A BILLIARD HALL PERMIT.
IT JUST EXPIRED AND WE WERE ISSUED A TICKET TWO WEEKS AFTER THE EXPIRATION, AND WE IMMEDIATELY STARTED THE RENEWAL PROCESS.
UM, THIS MAKES IT SOUND LIKE WE WERE OPERATING THE BUSINESS FOR YEARS AND YEARS WITHOUT A POOL HALL LICENSE.
AND, AND THAT'S JUST INCORRECT.
FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS IN VIOLATION, WE WERE ISSUED A CITATION, WHICH WE PAID PROMPTLY, AND THEN WE IMMEDIATELY STARTED THE RENEWAL PROCESS.
UM, SO NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE CITY OPENING STATEMENTS.
I'M TRYING TO SHARE OUR SCREEN CORRECT, VISIBLE.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THE CITY IS HERE TODAY TO RESPOND TO THE APPEAL OF THE DENIAL OF THE BILLIARDS HALL APPLICATION FOR CK BILLIARDS.
UM, CK BILLIARDS IS A POOL HALL LOCATED IN NORTHEAST DALLAS NEAR 6 35 IN SKILLMAN.
THROUGH THE CITY'S EVIDENCE TODAY, THE CITY WILL SHOW THAT THIS LOCATION IS NOT ENTITLED TO A BILLIARDS HALL PERMIT.
IN SUMMARY, THE LICENSE FOR THIS LOCATION EXPIRED IN MARCH, WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN RENEWED PRIOR TO THE EXPIRATION.
HOWEVER, DESPITE FAILING TO RENEW THE LICENSE IN THE APPROPRIATE TIMEFRAME, APPLICANT SUBMITTED A RENEWAL APPLICATION.
EVEN IF THIS APPLICATION WOULD HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED IN THE CORRECT FASHION, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN A NEW APPLICATION, UM, IT ULTIMATELY WOULD HAVE BEEN DENIED DUE TO THE REASONS TODAY, WHICH IS THAT THEY'VE CONTINUED TO OPERATE WITHOUT THE APPROPRIATE LICENSE.
NOW IN, UH, SECTION NINE A, IT PROVIDES THAT EACH LICENSE WILL EXPIRE ONE YEAR FROM THE ISSUANCE STATE.
SHOULD AN APPLICANT WANT TO RENEW THEIR APPLICATION, THEY MUST SUPPLY PRIOR TO THE EXPIRATION.
NINE A ALSO PROVIDES THAT SHOULD AN APPLICATION BE DENIED, THE APPLICANT WILL NOT BE ISSUED A LICENSE FOR UP TO ONE YEAR AT ALL TIMES THAT A BILLER HALL IS AN OPERATION, IT MUST HAVE A LICENSE TO OPERATE A VALID UNEXPIRED LICENSE TO OPERATE.
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AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THROUGH THE CITY'S EVIDENCE, IT WILL SHOW THAT NOT ONLY IS THIS LICENSE EXPIRED AND INELIGIBLE TO BE RENEWED, UM, BUT EVEN IF IT HAD BEEN SUBMITTED APPROPRIATELY, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DENIED DUE TO THE, UM, OPERATING THE BILLIARDS HALL WITHOUT THE APPROPRIATE LICENSING.AND THE CITY WILL ASK THAT THE BOARD AFFIRM THE DENIAL.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BOTH OF YOUR OPENING STATEMENTS.
WE ARE NOW READY TO HEAR AND BEGIN THE PRESENTATIONS.
WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE APPELLANT.
SO, UM, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
UH, WE ARE NOW READY TO BEGIN THE PRESENTATION.
THE MAIN, UM, PART OF THIS HEARING.
SO YOU MAY BEGIN AT THIS TIME.
YOU HAVE BEEN ALLOTTED 25 MINUTES.
SO YES, MA'AM, ALL, ALTHOUGH IT, IT DID EXPIRE, WE, WE IMMEDIATELY STARTED THE RENEWAL PROCESS.
IF THIS IS JUST DENIED, IT EFFECTIVELY PUTS US OUT OF BUSINESS AND WE HAVE ONE YEAR LEFT ON OUR LEASE.
IF WE GO OUT OF BUSINESS, THAT'S GONNA COST US A MINIMUM OF $70,000.
AND, UH, WE HAVE TO REMOVE THE POOL TABLES AND SELL 'EM.
SO WE'RE ASKING FOR A RENEWAL OF A LEASE TILL MAY OF NEXT YEAR WHEN OUR LEASE EXPIRES AND WE CAN EFFECTIVELY, UH, MOVE LOCATIONS, FIND A NEW LOCATIONS, OR SHUT DOWN COMPLETELY.
HAS, YEAH, HE JUST ASK IF THERE'S ANY, UH, IS IF ANY WAY TO GET THE PERMIT TO BE RENEWED.
UM, HE'S ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS, UM, AND THAT, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT IT.
SO, UM, MR. K, CAN YOU TRANSLATE THAT? YOU DO HAVE 25 MINUTES TO PRESENT A CASE OF WHY YOU THINK THAT WE SHOULD REVERSE THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
SO AT THIS TIME, IS THIS ALL THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO TELL US? YEAH, HE, HE SAID, HE SAYS, UH, YOU KNOW, HE, UH, HE KNOWS, UH, IT IS HIS FAULT THAT HE DIDN'T, UH, RENEW THE PERMIT IN TIMELY MANNERS, BUT HE'S BEEN DOING BUSINESS FOR YEARS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE EMPLOYEES THAT HE'S TAKING CARE OF AS WELL.
HE'S ASKING, UH, IF THERE'S ANY WAY YOU GUYS CAN, UH, REVERSE THE DECISION SO THAT, AND THEN HE, YOU KNOW, HE'LL MAKE SURE THAT HE'LL RENEW THE PERMIT IN TIMELY MANNER IN THE FUTURE.
UM, THAT WAS A TOTAL OF ABOUT TWO MINUTES AND A HALF.
UM, I WILL GO AHEAD AND STOP AND RESET THE TIMER NOW.
DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPELLANT AT THIS TIME? NO, NO QUESTIONS.
SO WE WILL NOW GO THROUGH THE LIST OF BOARD MEMBERS FOR QUESTIONS.
UM, AND, AND JUST A REMINDER, YOU DO HAVE TWO MINUTES.
UH, WE WILL START WITH MS. THOMAS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPELLANT AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
UH, MR. JEFFERSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, I, I HAD A REQUESTING YOU ARE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR.
UM, I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, LISTENING TO
BUT MY QUESTION TO HIM IS KNOW, AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING THAT ON US, DID YOU CONSIDER THE FACT THAT BECAUSE OF YOUR NEGLIGENCE, THAT THAT LAW, THAT THE LAW STATES
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THAT YOU AT NO TIME ARE, ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE OPERATING HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS WITHOUT THAT, THAT LICENSE? DID YOU CONSIDER THAT NO TIME? THE ONLY WAY I CAN ANSWER THAT, SIR, IS BECAUSE THAT WASN'T THE FOREFRONT OF OUR, OUR MIND.I MEAN, WE DIDN'T, BUT IT SHOULD BE AT THE FOREFRONT OF YOUR MIND.
I MEAN, YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT AS A MAJOR CONSIDERATION OF PRIORITY, OPERATE AT NO TIME WITHOUT IT.
WE KNEW WE HAD A POOL HALL LICENSE.
WE JUST WASN'T AWARE THAT IT WAS CLOSE TO EXPIRING OR EXPIRED AT THAT TIME, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
UM, FOR INSTANCE, MY PERSONAL DRIVER'S LICENSE, I CARRY IT AROUND EVERY DAY, BUT I CAN'T OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD TELL YOU WHAT YEAR IT EX WHAT I KNOW WHAT DAY IT EXPIRES.
IT EXPIRES ON MY BIRTHDAY, BUT I I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT YEAR IT EXPIRES.
UM, ESSENTIALLY, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
UH, MR. JEFFERSON, UH, JASON, UH, JASON SAYS, YEAH, HE, HE LEARNED A LESSON HE SHOULD DO.
UH, HE SH IT'S NOT THAT WE DO NOT RESPECT THE LAW, WE DO RESPECT THE LAW.
UM, WE LEARNED A LESSON OR, YOU KNOW, HE'LL MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET A SECOND CHANCE, WE'LL MAKE SURE TO PUT EVERYTHING ON A CALENDAR REMINDER, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, UM, APPLY IT ON TIMELY MANNER IN THE FUTURE.
YOU KNOW, THERE IS NO OTHER EXCUSE THAT WE CAN GIVE IT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GIVE, BUT WE DO RESPECT THE LAW, UH, WAS OUR, OUR MISTAKE.
THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU, MR. KU AND MR. JEFFERSON.
YEAH, ACTUALLY AT A TIME, BUT I WILL COME BACK TO YOU ONE MORE TIME.
UH, MR. JEFFS, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION AT THIS MOMENT? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS MOMENT.
UH, MR. HAYES, I HAVE QUESTIONS.
UM, IF I INTERPRET THE DOCUMENTATION CORRECTLY, THIS WAS THE, YOU'VE ONLY BEEN IN OPERATION FOR A YEAR WHEN THIS PERMIT CAME UP FOR RENEWAL, IS THAT CORRECT? NEGATIVE, SIR, WE'VE BEEN OPEN, THIS HAS BEEN A POOL HALL SINCE AT LEAST 1990 AND MR. SONG PURCHASED IT IN 2010.
HAD YOU NOT BEEN REQUIRED TO DO RENEWALS BEFORE, AND IF YOU WERE REQUIRED, DID YOU DO THEM IN A TIMELY MANNER? SIR, I CANNOT ANSWER THAT AS I WASN'T THE MANAGER AT THAT TIME.
HOWEVER, I BELIEVE, UH, ONE MINUTE.
UH, SO, UH, HE SAYS WHEN HE, YEAH, WHEN HE PURCHASED THE BUSINESS, UH, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY LICENSE, SO HE, SO HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT HE REQUIRED A LICENSE, BUT, UH, AS SOON AS HE FOUND OUT, UH, THE FIRST TICKET HE KNEW, UH, THAT HE HAS TO GET THE, UH, PERMIT, UH, HE PAID, UH, HE PAID A, UH, LAY FEE OR FEE, WHATEVER THAT WAS REQUIRED PENALTIES.
AND THEN HE, UH, HE GOT THE LICENSE.
SO WHEN HE WAS PURCHASING THE, UH, THE BUSINESS ITSELF, HE DIDN'T KNOW, UH, IT REQUIRED A LICENSE.
DID YOU CEASE OPERATIONS WHEN YOU GOT THE CITATION? AND FOR INSTANCE, ARE YOU TRYING, ARE YOU OPEN TODAY OR ARE YOU SHUT DOWN? SO, SIR, BECAUSE OF THE APPEAL BOARD, WE WERE TOLD THAT WE COULD OPERATE BUSINESS AS NORMAL.
WE WERE PREPARED TO SHUT DOWN.
UM, BUT WE GOT THE OKAY, UH, TO, UM, OPERATE BUSINESS AS USUAL.
SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE CURRENTLY OPEN.
FROM WHOM? FROM WHO? WELL, I DON'T KNOW FROM WHOMEVER SENT THE, WE HAVE THE EMAIL TRAFFIC.
UM, UH, NA NA, NANCY SANCHEZ MAYBE.
DOES THAT SOUND WE HAVE AN EMAIL TRACE THAT WE CAN, UH, PROVIDE, BUT HE COULD NOT, HE COULD NOT RECALL THE EXACT NAME.
UM, MR. UH, MR. HAYES, WE WILL DO ANOTHER ROUND OF QUESTIONS.
UM, NOW WE WILL, I'LL ASK MR. QUINT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPELLANT.
UM, KNOWING THIS IS THE, THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT LICENSE YOU NEED, I, I STILL HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION.
HOW ON EARTH DID YOU LET THIS EXPIRE? AND, AND WE'VE ALL HEARD THE EXPRESSION, AND I, I SAY THIS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM.
IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NO EXCUSE.
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SO HOW ON EARTH, THE MOST IMPORTANT LICENSE YOU NEEDED, DID YOU LET IT LAPSE? THEY FIRED THE PREVIOUS MANAGER, AND I WAS NOT IN THAT ROLE.AND SO WHEN I CAME ON, IT WAS, I WAS IN ANOTHER ROLE AND IT JUST SLIPPED, SLIPPED THROUGH THE, UH, JUST SLIPPED THROUGH.
SO THE NEXT QUESTION IS, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN MANAGER? WHEN DID YOU TAKE OVER? I WAS THE KITCHEN MANAGER UP UNTIL ABOUT TWO, THREE MONTHS AGO MAYBE.
SO I'M, I'M TRYING TO DO THE MATH BACKWARDS.
SO THAT WAS BEFORE THE LICENSE EXPIRED, CORRECT? UH, WHEN DID WE SHUT DOWN THE KITCHEN? ONE MINUTE, TWO MONTHS.
WE SHUT DOWN THE KITCHEN RIGHT AT A MONTH AND A HALF OR TWO MONTHS AGO.
SO RIGHT ABOUT, PROBABLY RIGHT ABOUT THE SAME TIMEFRAME.
SO THEN THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS, ONCE YOU GOT THE CITATION, WERE YOU OPEN ANY DAYS BEFORE YOU GOT AN APPROVAL TO REOPEN? I BELIEVE I ASKED THE DETECTIVE WHEN HE WROTE ME THE TICKET, WHAT THE, WAS OUR COURSE OF ACTIONS.
AND, UH, THERE WAS NOTHING THAT SAID WE HAD TO SHUT DOWN.
THEY DIDN'T ATTEMPT TO SHUT US DOWN.
THEY DIDN'T TELL US WE HAD TO SHUT DOWN.
YOU, UH, YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION.
DID, WERE YOU OPEN ANY OTHER DAYS AFTER THE CITATION? YES.
APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY EVERY DAY COULD YOU GIVE A NUMBER? 10, 20, 30.
SO THE CITATION WAS WRITTEN ON APRIL 9TH, SO APRIL 9TH TILL TODAY, WE WERE OPEN EVERY DAY.
I WILL HAVE TO MOVE TO MS. S NOW ONCE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS MS. HIN? YES, I DO.
UM, MR. MOORE IS THE BEFORE, UM, IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR, WAS THE BILLARDS HALL LICENSE DISPLAYED ON THE PROPERTY? YES, IT IS DISPLAYED IN TWO AREAS.
IF YOU CAN CURRENTLY SEE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE IT POSTED HERE AND OUTSIDE, UM, WHERE ALL OF OUR LIQUOR LICENSE ARE POSTED.
WE ACTUALLY, THESE ARE ACTUALLY DUPLICATES, BUT OUR LICENSE ARE POSTED IN THE, UH, FOER OF THE HALLWAY, UH, BEHIND THE BAR.
AND ARE THOSE AREAS WHERE YOU AND MR. SONG REGULARLY PASS BY? SO YES, WE PASS BY THEM DAILY, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY OVERHEAD.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE AT ABOUT, UH, EIGHT FOOT OR NINE FOOT LEVEL, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE POSTED SO IN CASE ANYBODY ACTUALLY NEEDS TO SEE THEM.
BUT NO, WE DON'T WALK BY AND, UM, AT AN EYE LEVEL ON A DAILY BASIS.
THE ONE BEHIND YOU IS NOT EYE LEVEL.
AND I POSTED IT THERE SO YOU GUYS COULD SEE IT FOR THE MEETING.
AND THEN, UM, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'VE ONLY BEEN THE MANAGER FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS, BUT, UM, SO SINCE 2010, HOW MANY, HOW MANY YEARS HAS, UM, A BILLARDS HALL LICENSE BEEN ISSUED FOR YOUR BUSINESS? ONE MINUTE PLEASE.
2024 WAS THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE OPERATE WITH, UH, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, WE, HE KNEW THAT IT REQUIRES A LICENSE.
POLICE COME GRAB A TICKET AFTER A, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE POLICE WARNED HIM.
HE KNEW THAT WAS THE TIME THAT HE FIGURED OUT THAT HE NEED THE LICENSE TO OPERATE THE BUSINESS, THE, THE BILLER'S, UH, BUSINESS.
UM, MR. GONZALEZ, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO.
UM, MY FIRST QUESTION, UH, IS HOW MANY EMPLOYEES YOU HAVE AT THE, THE BUSINESS THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED IF YOU GUYS WERE TO CLOSE SECURITY? WHAT WAS THE NUMBER? FIVE.
AND CAN YOU TELL ME HOW, WHEN WAS THE FIRST TIME, OR DO YOU GUYS RECALL WHEN YOU RECEIVED A NOTICE THAT IT WAS TIME TO RENEW THE LICENSE? I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVER RE, I PERSONALLY NEVER SEEN A NOTICE TO RENEW THE LICENSE.
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THE ONLY REASON I KNEW WAS BECAUSE WE RECEIVED THE TICKET.YOU RECEIVED THE TICKET AND, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THE OWNER WHO'S SITTING HERE, HE'S THE ONE THAT USUALLY HANDLES OR WOULD HANDLE THAT TYPE OF THING.
UM, AND THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY.
UM, I'M ASSUMING ENGLISH IS NOT HIS FIRST NAME, WHICH IS ENGLISH.
DOES, UH, THE OWNER SPEAK, WHAT WAS THAT AGAIN? I DON'T KNOW.
THEY SAID THEY, Y'ALL WERE TALKING OVER HIM OR WHATEVER.
UH, WHAT LANGUAGE DOES THE OWNER SPEAK? KOREAN.
UH, AS TO THE BEST OF HIS KNOWLEDGE, DID HE RECEIVE ANY TYPE OF NOTICE IN ANY LANGUAGE OTHER THAN ENGLISH IF HE DID RECEIVE A NOTICE? UH, HE DOESN'T, HE DOESN'T BELIEVE HE RECEIVED ANY 'CAUSE HE DOESN'T RECALL OR HE DOESN'T SEE.
AND YOU KNOW, THE, I I ASKED JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY SAID EARLIER, IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NOT AN EXCUSE.
HOWEVER, AS SOMEBODY WHO WORKS IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITH SMALL BUSINESSES EVERY SINGLE DAY, MOST CIVILIANS AND BUSINESS OWNERS AREN'T EDUCATED ABOUT EVERY SINGLE PERMIT OR PROCESS.
UM, WHEN HE FOUND OUT LAST YEAR OR IN 2024 THAT HE WAS OPERATING WITHOUT A PERMIT AND HE APPLIED FOR ONE, UM, WAS HE EVER INFORMED THAT HE NEEDED TO APPLY FOR A PERMIT BEFORE IT EXPIRES THE NEXT TIME? UH, UH, HE SAID HE, UH, HE KNEW THAT HE HAS TO RENEW, BUT HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS EVERY YEAR.
SO HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO RENEW BEFORE EVERY YEAR HIS CURRENT ONE EXPIRES, CORRECT? NO, HE KNEW HE HAS TO RE UH, RENEW.
HE JUST DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS EVERY YEAR.
WE WILL, UM, WELL, I, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR, UM, THE OWNER.
IS THAT CORRECT? MR. K, MR. UNG? HUH? SONG MR. SUNG.
SO YOU MENTIONED, UM, CAN YOU ELABORATE ON WHAT IS THE PLAN IF, UH, THIS BILLIARD LI LICENSE GETS DENIED AND WE AFFIRM THE CHIEF CHIEF OF POLICE? CAN YOU JUST ELABORATE ON WHAT, WHAT IS THAT GONNA LOOK LIKE FOR YOUR BUSINESS? ARE YOU PLANNING TO MOVE? YEAH, HE'S ONLY OPTION IS HE WILL HAVE TO, UH, SHUT DOWN A BUSINESS 'CAUSE IT'S A BILL ARTS, MAINLY BILL ARTS, UH, BUSINESS.
SO HE COULDN'T OPERATE IT, UH, WITH, WITHOUT FULL TABLE.
SO HE WOULD HAVE TO LET GO HIS EMPLOYEE AND SHUT DOWN OF THE BUSINESS.
HOW MANY POOL TABLES? UH, WELL ACTUALLY, HOW, WHAT IS THE CAPACITY FOR THIS LOCATION? 269 CAPACITY.
WE HAVE 16 POOL TABLES, SIX NINE FOOT AND TEN SEVEN FOOT 16 POOL TABLES.
AND SO THE ENTIRE BUSINESS IS, IS ALL POOL TABLES.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO TRANSFORM IT INTO ANY OTHER KIND OF BUSINESS, CORRECT? NO, THAT IS CORRECT.
AND MR. SONG CAME INTO POSSESSION OF THIS BUSINESS 10 YEARS AGO, 2010, 2010, AND ONLY APPLIED FOR A LICENSE A YEAR AGO, CORRECT.
WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE THAT HE HAD TO RENEW IT? YES.
AND, UM, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE AT THIS MOMENT, BUT I WILL RESTART THE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
UM, MS. MS. THOMAS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPELLANT, MR. SONG? YEAH, MS. THOMAS, WILL YOU, UM, SHAKE OR, UH, NOD YOUR HEAD IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD AT THIS TIME? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, I CAN HEAR YOU NOW.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NOT AT THIS TIME.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO MR. JEFFERSON.
UM, MR. JEFFERSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? UH, MY OTHER QUESTION WAS ALREADY ASKED, BUT, UH, THANK YOU.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
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MR. JEFFERS, ANY QUESTIONS? I, I DO.SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU, UH, HAD THE BUSINESS SINCE 2010.
I'M ASSUMING THIS STATUTE HAS BEEN ON THE BOOK SINCE THEN, THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE HAD A, A PERMIT, A BILLIARDS PERMIT TO OPERATE SINCE THEN.
AND, BUT YOU'VE ONLY HAD THE BILLARD PERMIT FOR A YEAR.
IS THAT CORRECT, SIR? SO THIS WAS A POOL HALL WHEN HE FIRST PURCHASED IT.
SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS RE AS, UM, A CITY ORDINANCE OR WHATEVER.
BUT FROM WHAT HE'S ASKING NOW IS NO, HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT HE, HE NEEDED A LICENSE ONE, ONE MINUTE.
SO, UH, WHAT HE WAS, UH, WHAT HE'S SAYING IS IF, IF HE STARTED A BUSINESS, UH, FROM THE BEGINNING, THEN HE PROBABLY KNEW THAT HE REQUIRED A LICENSE.
'CAUSE THE CITY WILL COME AND INSPECT AND ASK FOR A LICENSE.
BUT BECAUSE OF WHEN HE PURCHASED THE BUSINESS, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY, ANY LICENSE OR PERMIT OR THEY INFORM HIM THAT HE WOULD REQUIRE TO GET IT.
AND WHEN POLICE CAME BY AND GAVE HIM A TICKET DATE, THEN HE KNEW, OH, IT REQUIRED THE, UH, THE LICENSE.
SO IT WAS LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST TIME HE, UH, UH, APPLIED FOR THE PERMIT.
UH, AND THEN HE, HE, HE SAYS HE APOLOGIZED THAT HE DIDN'T RENEW THE TIME, UH, OR IN TIME, UH, IN TIMELY MANNER.
BUT HE'LL, YOU KNOW, IF HE GET A SECOND CHANCE, HE WILL WRITE DOWN THE DATES AND HE WILL, NOW HE KNOWS IT'S, IT'S EVERYWHERE YEAR THAT HE HAS TO RENEW.
YOU KNOW, HE THOUGHT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, DRIVER LICENSE OR ALL OTHER LICENSE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T RENEW EVERY YEAR.
SO HE DIDN'T JUST, HE, HE HAD NO IDEA THAT HE HAS TO RENEW EVERY YEAR.
THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. JEFFS, UH, MR. HAYES, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? YES, I HAVE ADDITIONAL FOLLOW UP.
SO YOU OPERATED, AM I CORRECT THAT YOU OPERATED BETWEEN 2020 AND 2024 WITHOUT A LICENSE AND THAT SOMETHING HAPPENED THAT SUDDENLY MADE YOU AWARE THAT YOU NEEDED A LICENSE? IS THAT CORRECT? CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION, SIR? DID YOU OPERATE BETWEEN 20 AND 24 WITHOUT A LICENSE? YES.
WHAT HAPPENED IN 2024 THAT MADE YOU AWARE THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE HAD A LICENSE? HE RECEIVED ONE CITATION AND THEN HE IMMEDIATELY WENT AND GOT, UH, GOT THE LICENSE.
SO YOU WERE CLEAR AS OF MARCH 20, 24.
AND WAS THERE ANY FINE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT CITATION OR WAS IT JUST A NOTICE? I KNOW WHEN I GOT MY CITATION, UH, IN APRIL, IT WAS LIKE $280.
SO I'M ASSUMING IT WAS THE SAME FOR THAT CITATION.
HE DOESN'T RECALL EXACT NUMBER, BUT HE BELIEVES IT WAS AROUND $200.
MR. QUINT, DO YOU HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS? YES, CHAIR.
SO FOR THE APPELLATE, SO COULD YOU APPLY FOR A LICENSE FOR A DIFFERENT LOCATION AND TRANSPORT THE POOL TABLES THERE? I CANNOT BECAUSE THE CITATION, AS I READ THE BYLAWS SAYS ANYBODY THAT'S ISSUED A LICENSE, UH, UH, ISSUED A CITATION CANNOT GET AN A LICENSE RENEWAL FOR ONE YEAR.
COULD SOMEONE ELSE AS A PARTNER, 'CAUSE YOU SAID THERE WERE MULTIPLE PARTNERS.
COULD ONE, ONE PERSON THERE'S NOT SIR, THERE'S NOT MULTIPLE PARTNERS.
I THOUGHT THAT, I THOUGHT THAT SAID, I APOLOGIZE.
SO WHEN YOU FILLED OUT THE PAPERWORK FOR THE LICENSE AND YOU GET YOUR LETTER FROM THE CITY THAT SAYS YOU'RE APPROVED, IT GIVES YOU A TIME PERIOD WHERE IT BEGINS AND WHERE IT ENDS.
WAS THAT LETTER EVER FILED AWAY TO MAKE SURE YOU KNEW ONCE AGAIN, SIR? UH, I WASN'T THE MANAGER AT THAT TIME.
I'M PROBABLY SURE IN THE FILING THERE, THERE WAS, BUT ONCE AGAIN, I WASN'T EMPLOYED AT THAT
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TIME.BUT WAS THE OWNER, DOES HE HAVE THAT LETTER AND DID HE FILE IT AWAY? UH, HE SAID HE, HE RECEIVED THE, HE HE RECEIVED THE PERMIT.
SO HE PUT IT ON, BUT HE DIDN'T, UH, IT IS, SO EVERY, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST LIKE TODAY, UH, EVERY TIME HE GETS A LETTER OR HAS A MEETING, THAT HE HAS THIS, YOU KNOW, TO RELATE TO ENGLISH AND HE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE TO TRANSLATE FOR HIM.
'CAUSE THIS IS NOT A, HIS FIRST LANGUAGE.
SO WHEN HE GOT IT, HE THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY.
BUT HE NEVER ASKED ANYONE TO, HEY, YOU KNOW, COME, COME, UH, TRANSLATE FOR ME.
SO HE DID RECEIVE THE LETTER, BUT REALLY NEVER DID ANYTHING WITH IT? NO, NO.
HE DIDN'T, HE DIDN'T RE HE DIDN'T RECALL THAT IF HE RECEIVED THE, UH, LETTERS.
SO YOU PASSED THIS LICENSE EVERY DAY.
'CAUSE RIGHT BEHIND HIM, YOU'RE POINTING AT IT AND NEVER THOUGHT WHEN WE NEED TO RENEW IT, AS WE STATED EARLIER, SIR, I PUT THAT UP THERE FOR YOUR BENEFIT, NOT OURS TODAY.
SO WHERE WAS IT TODAY? SO SIR, IN OUR FOYER, IN OUR HALL, ABOUT EIGHT FEET HIGH, IT'S ABOVE WHERE ALL, ALL OF OUR LICENSE ARE LOCATED.
IT SAYS THEY'VE GOTTA BE CLEARLY LOCATED FOR TABC AND THE POLICE AND ALL THAT.
IT DOESN'T SAY IT HAS TO BE AT EYE LEVEL.
SO OUTTA SIGHT, OUTTA MIND? NO, IT'S NOT OUTTA SIGHT, IT'S JUST ABOVE READING LEVEL.
WELL, IT'S AN EXPRESSION WE USED OUTTA SIGHT OUTTA MIND.
IF YOU DON'T SEE IT, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW IT'S THERE.
NO, A A AS WE MENTIONED IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT IS HE, SO THE OWNER JUST DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT'S, IT HAS TO BE RENEWED EVERY YEAR.
IT'S NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, HE DIDN'T CARE.
NO ONE'S SAYING HE DIDN'T CARE.
BUT WHEN YOU GET A LICENSE, YOU KNOW IT'S GONNA EXPIRE.
AND USUALLY THEY'RE, FOR ONE OR TWO YEARS, YOU WOULD THINK THAT THE OWNER TO PROTECT HIS BUSINESS WOULD'VE SAID, I GOTTA GET THIS DONE.
SO WHAT, WHAT HE, YOU KNOW, AS, AS HE, AS HE SAID EARLIER, HE IS LIKE, YOU, YOU KNOW, LIKE DRUG LICENSE, IT'S FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS.
IT'S JUST THOUGHT, IT'S, HE DIDN'T JUST, HE JUST DIDN'T KNOW.
IT'S EVERY YEAR, YOU KNOW, HE WOULD EXPECT TO RECEIVE ANY KIND OF A LEGAL LETTER.
THEN HE, YOU KNOW, HE TAKES TO SOMEONE HE KNOWS HI, YOU KNOW, HIS HI HIS FRIENDS OR HIS COUSIN, YOU KNOW, HIS NEPHEW, AND THEN HELP, HELP FOR TRANSLATING.
BUT BECAUSE HE NEVER RECEIVED IT, HE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO, UH, GO TALK TO NOBODY.
UM, I'M SORRY OUR TIME IS UP, BUT, UM, MS. SHIN WOULD, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? YES, I DO.
DO, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER LICENSES WITH THE CITY OR TABC THAT, UM, MAYBE LIKE, UH, LATE HOURS PERMIT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? WE HAVE OUR LIQUOR LICENSE, UH, CURRENTLY POSTED HERE.
IT'S RENEWED EVERY TWO YEARS, BUT IT'S, IT'S RENEWED.
UM, WE HAVE A CPA THAT RENEWS THAT.
SO RELATED TO ALCOHOL, UH, LICENSE.
IT'S BECAUSE OF, UH, CPA TELL HIM TO RENEW.
UH, THEY HAVE A RECORD AND ASK HIM TO RENEW IT AND THEY DO IT FOR HIM.
UH, IT JUST POOL TABLE JUST DIDN'T KNOW.
UH, CPA REALLY DON'T, UH, DO IT FOR THEM.
BUT IF HE GET A SECOND CHANCE, HE SAID HE'LL MAKE SURE HE'LL PUT IT ON THE CALENDAR.
HE'LL NOT HAVE ANY EXCUSE IF IT, IT HAPPENS EVER AGAIN.
SO YOU DON'T, SO THE CPA HANDLES ALL THE OTHER LICENSE RENEWALS AND JUST THIS ONE WASN'T SET UP TO GO THROUGH THE CPA? YES.
EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A FEE WITH IT.
NO OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU MS. SHIN.
UH, MR. GONZALEZ, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? I DO.
SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOUR CURRENT OWNER HAS OWNED THIS ESTABLISHMENT SINCE 2010, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
AND THEN IN 2024, HE WAS INFORMED THAT HE NEEDED THIS, THIS BILLARDS LICENSE TO OPERATE.
SO HE WAS OPERATING FOR 14 YEARS, UH, WITHOUT A BILLARDS LICENSE.
AND I GUESS MY QUESTION, I GUESS IT'S NOT REALLY FOR YOU ALL, IT'S FOR THE CITY OF HOW THE CITY IN 14 YEARS
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS RESPONSIBILITY ON THE BUSINESS OWNER, BUT THERE'S ALSO RESPONSIBILITY ON THE MUNICIPALITY.
UM, SO IN THAT TIME OR, OR SINCE THEN, YOUR CURRENT UP TO DATE, I'M
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ASSUMING ON ALL OTHER LICENSING AND PERMITS, THERE'S NO OTHER PERMITS OR LICENSES THAT YOU GUYS DO? NOT CURRENTLY.WE ARE, WE ARE UP TO DATE ON EVERYTHING.
AND I'M ASSUMING THAT IF YOU WERE GIVEN A SECOND CHANCE THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW YOUR CPA OR WHOEVER HANDLES YOUR OTHER LICENSES TO START HANDLING THIS IN THE FUTURE FOR THE RENEWALS EVERY YEAR, IS THAT, THAT IS CORRECT.
HOWEVER, WE'RE, OUR LEASE IS UP NEXT YEAR, SO WE DON'T FORESEE, UM, STAYING AT THIS LOCATION WE'RE GOING TO.
BUT YES, OUR CPA WILL WILL BE HANDLING IT.
WELL, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AS SOMEBODY WHO I, EVERY DAY I WORK WITH BUSINESS OWNERS WHO ENGLISH IS NOT THEIR FIRST LANGUAGE.
UH, IS THERE A, A PLAN OF ACTION FOR, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU RECEIVE THESE NOTICES IN THE FUTURE FOR GETTING THAT, UH, TRANSLATED AND HANDLED QUICKLY? WELL, SIR, YES.
UH, NOW THAT I AM THE NEW MANAGER, I'M TAKING OVER ALL, ALL OF THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES.
UH, SO YOU WEREN'T THERE, YOU, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IS YOU WEREN'T THERE IN THE PAST TO, TO HELP WITH THIS AND NOW THERE'S A PLAN OF ACTION AND THERE'S YOU TO THAT WILL BE ASSISTING WITH THE THIS PROCESS.
ALSO, JA, JASON SAID HE WILL NOT JUST RELY ON ON MANAGER, UM, THIS PERMIT.
HE'LL MAKE SURE, UH, HE'LL ASK CPA IF HE CAN HANDLE IT FOR HIM ALSO, HE'LL PUT IT ON HIS OWN CALENDAR AGENDA SO THAT IF CPAS, IF IT'S THE CPA SERVICE, THAT IF THEY DON'T PROVIDE THE SERVICE, UM, HE'LL, HE'LL MAKE SURE HE WILL GET HELP FROM SOMEBODY ELSE TO, UH, TAKE CARE OF IT.
UH, WHEN THEY FOUND OUT IN 2024, THEY NEEDED A LICENSE, THEY HANDLED IT.
AND I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. GONZALEZ.
UM, I HAVE JUST TWO QUESTIONS.
UH, MR. SONG, WHAT IS YOUR HOUR, WHAT ARE YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION AT THIS TIME? 11:00 AM TILL 2:00 AM DAILY.
UM, ACTUALLY THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION.
I BELIEVE, UH, ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ASKED QUESTIONS OF THE APPELLANT, MR. SONG.
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL NOW MOVE TO THE CITY'S PRESENTATION AND ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD FOR THE CITY, FOR EXAMPLE, MR. GONZALEZ, WE WILL BE ABLE TO ASK THEM ONCE THEY FINISH THEIR PRESENTATION.
SO, UM, THE CITY IS NOW, UM, YOU CAN NOW BEGIN YOUR PRESENTATION.
THE CITY WILL CALL DETECTIVE HAYNES.
DETECTIVE HAYNES, CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME? IT'S SONYA HAYNES.
AND HOW ARE YOU EMPLOYED? WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WITH THE DEPARTMENT? FOR 17 YEARS.
AND IN WHICH UNIT ARE YOU CURRENTLY ASSIGNED? VICE LICENSING.
WHAT ARE THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF VICE LICENSING? UM, THERE I RECEIVE AND GO OVER THE APPLICATIONS, DIFFERENT, UM, APPLICATIONS TO GET A PERMIT, WHETHER IT'S DANCE HALL OR DANCE HALL, LATE HOURS, UH, BILLARD HALL, SOB LOCATIONS, UH, AMUSEMENT CENTER LOCATIONS.
AND ONCE I GET THE PACKAGE, I GET 'EM TO REVIEW THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE INFORMATION IS IN THERE.
THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, UH, THAT'S REQUIRED TO REVIEW THE APPLICATION AND SEND IT ON TO THE NEXT LOCATION, AS WELL AS CHECKING THE CRIME AT THE PROPERTY AND LOOKING FOR THE CRIMINAL HISTORY FROM THE EMPLOYEES THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE.
AND INCLUDED IN YOUR RESEARCH, DO YOU ALSO REVIEW ANY TAX HISTORY YES.
THOSE ARE NECESSARY TO COMPLETE THE APPLICATION.
NOW, WHEN YOUR OFFICE RECEIVES APPLICATIONS, IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NEW APPLICATIONS AND RENEWAL APPLICATIONS? YES, THERE IS.
CAN YOU TALK US THROUGH WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE? YES.
WITH THE RENEWAL WHEN WE RECEIVE IT, IT'S NORMALLY A RENEWAL FOR A LOCATION THAT HAS HAD A, UH, PERMIT PRIOR TO THAT TIMEFRAME.
AND IT HAS TO BE WITHIN THE TIMEFRAME THAT THE, BEFORE IT EXPIRES TO BE CONSIDERED A RENEWAL.
IF IT'S PAST THE EXPIRATION DATE, THEN A WHOLE NEW APPLICATION HAS TO BE SUBMITTED.
SO WHEN A INDIVIDUAL SUBMITS A NEW APPLICATION, ARE THEY ASSIGNED A NEW APPLICATION OR LICENSE NUMBER? YES, THEY ARE.
AND WHEN THEY RENEW AN APPLICATION, DO THEY KEEP THAT LICENSE NUMBER? THEY KEEP THE LICENSE AND THE PERMIT NUMBER.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH CK BILLIARDS? YES, I AM.
CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH THE TIMELINE, UM, OF THE LICENSING HISTORY FOR THIS LOCATION? UH, YES, I CAN.
I KNOW ON THE PRESENTATION IT'S GONNA SHOW THE TIMELINE, STARTING WITH WHERE THE APPLICATION EXPIRED AND WHEN THEY FIRST GOT IT.
BUT PRIOR TO THAT, AS YOU HEARD, THEY WERE OPEN SINCE 2010.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PERMIT WITH THE LOCATION, UH, FEBRUARY OF 2024, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN WHEN THEIR ORIGINAL APPLICATION WOULD'VE EXPIRED.
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CITATION 'CAUSE THEY WERE OPERATING ONCE AGAIN, LIKE THEY ARE NOW WITHOUT THE PERMIT.UM, THEY BECAME AWARE OF IT DURING THAT TIME IN FEBRUARY OF 2024, WHEN THEY WERE INFORMED OF THE OPERATING WITHOUT THE PERMIT AND THAT THEY NEEDED A PERMIT.
SO THEN FROM THAT POINT ON, THEY APPLIED IN MARCH OF 2024, WHICH WILL BRING US UP TO WHERE WE'RE AT.
UH, THEY WERE GRANTED THE BILLARD HALL LICENSE AT THAT TIME.
AND THEN WE MOVE ON TO, WERE WHERE OUR UNIT WENT OUT ON APRIL THE NINTH TO SPEAK WITH THEM AND TO KIND OF DO A WALKTHROUGH AND AN INSPECTION OF THE LOCATION.
AND THEY WERE OPERATING AFTER THE TIMEFRAME.
SO THEY WERE ISSUED A CITATION THAT DAY FOR OPERATING THE BILLARD HALL WITHOUT A LICENSE.
AND THEN, UM, ON APRIL THE 13TH, THEY, UH, THE MANAGER ADMITTED TO OPERATING THE LOCATION WITHOUT A BILL HALL LICENSE.
AT THAT POINT, ON APRIL THE 15TH, WHICH WERE ALREADY FURTHER DOWN THE LINE, AFTER MAKING CONTACT WITH THEM, THEN THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, WILLING TO SUBMIT A APPLICATION, A RENEWAL APPLICATION.
WHEN I RECEIVED THAT APPLICATION, IT WAS INCOMPLETE.
IT WAS MISSING LIKE THE FINGERPRINTS AND SOME OF THE CRIMINAL HISTORY.
WE REACHED OUT TO THEM, IMMEDIATELY INFORMED THEM THAT THE APPLICATION WAS INCOMPLETE.
'CAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO HELP THEM GET ON TRACK.
AND AT THAT POINT, WE DID NOT STILL RECEIVE THE NEW APPLICATION THAT HAD ALL THE INFORMATION IN IT, UH, UNTIL MAY THE FIRST.
AND ON THE MAY THE FIRST, IT WAS AFTER THE FACT THAT OUR UNIT WENT OUT AGAIN AND MADE CONTACT WITH THEM ABOUT NOT HAVING THE CURRENT INFORMATION NEEDED.
WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPLICATION.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, THE OTHER DETECTIVES THAT WENT OUT TO THE LOCATION WHERE INFORMED BY THE MANAGER THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE AWARE THAT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE OPERATING, THAT THEY ARE AWARE THAT THEY HAVE THE CITATION AND THAT THE, THE PERMIT IS EXPIRED.
SO THEY THEN SUBMITTED IN THE COMPLETED APPLICATION AFTER THAT VISIT ON MAY 1ST, MAY 12TH OF WHAT THE, THE ISSUE OF THE DENIAL LETTER WAS SENT OUT TO INFORM THEM THAT THEY WERE DENIED BASED ON THE FACT THAT THEY HAD BEEN OPERATING WITHOUT A LICENSE AND THAT THAT VOIDED EVERYTHING.
UH, THEN WE AT LEAST WAS UP TO MAY 28TH FOR THE APPEAL.
ON THAT DAY, THEY EMAILED AFTER WE HAD SENT OUT THE CER THE, UH, CERTIFIED DENIAL LETTER SAYING THAT THEY WERE DENIED AND IT HAD BEEN SENT BACK, WE RECEIVED A COPY BACK SAYING THEY RECEIVED IT.
SO ON THAT DAY THAT WE RECEIVED A EMAIL SAYING THAT THEY WERE UNAWARE OF WHERE THE PROCESS WAS AND IF THEY WERE APPROVED OR DENIED, WE IMMEDIATELY INFORMED THEM THAT THEY WERE DENIED AND WHY, AND SENT THE COPIES AGAIN OF THE LETTERS AND THE CERTIFIED SLIP THAT WAS SENT BACK.
SO THEN THAT EVENING THEY TURNED AROUND AFTER HEARING FROM US AND FILED FOR THE APPEAL AT THE LAST MINUTE ON MAY 29TH, IS IT LEADS US UP TO MR. SONG'S APPEAL BECAUSE MR. SONG DIDN'T EVEN SUBMIT THE FIRST APPEAL OVER, WHICH IS WHO'S SUPPOSED TO SUBMIT THE APPEAL.
WE RECEIVED IT FROM THE MANAGER, THEN IT FOLLOWED UP WITH MR. SONG'S APPEAL.
SO I WANNA TAKE A CLOSER, MR. MOORE, CAN YOU PLEASE MUTE YOUR MIC? SURE.
LOOKING AT THE LICENSING TIMELINE BEFORE US, HAD A APPROPRIATE RENEWAL APPLICATION BEEN SUBMITTED, WHICH DATE SHOULD IT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED BEFORE? IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED PRIOR TO THE 25TH OF THE MARCH OF IT EXPIRING.
AND IF A NEW APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED AFTER THAT DATE, WOULD A NEW LICENSE HAVE GONE UNDER A REVIEW AT THAT POINT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
AND EVEN UNDER REVIEW, WOULD THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED TO BE OPERATING THE BILLER HALL UNDER REVIEW OF OPERATING AFTER THE FACT? IT STILL PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN THE SAME OUT OUTCOME BECAUSE THEY HAD AL OPERATING OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE.
SO THEY WOULD NEED TO SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE A NEW APPLICATION AND BE ISSUED A NEW LICENSE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
I WANNA TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE 2024 APPLICATION.
UM, IS THIS A 2024 APPLICATION LISTED HERE? YES.
AND, AND YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS, UH, MR. SONG THE APPLICANT? YES.
AND IS THAT IN THE IMAGE HERE TO THE LEFT? YES.
IS HE THE ONLY APPLICANT LISTED ON HERE? YES, HE IS.
AND ON THE RIGHT, WHAT DOCUMENT IS THAT ON THE RIGHT, THAT'S THE DOCUMENT SAYING THAT THE, THE LICENSE WAS ISSUED IN 2024.
AND THAT WOULD INFORM THEM THAT IN MARCH, 2025 IS WHEN THE LICENSE WOULD EXPIRE? THAT'S CORRECT.
WERE THERE ANY CONVERSATIONS OR COMMUNICATIONS RECEIVED BY YOUR OFFICE PRIOR TO THE MARCH, 2025 EXPIRATION DATE ABOUT THIS LICENSE? NO, IT WASN'T.
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OKAY.NOW I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO THE APRIL 9TH INSPECTION.
UM, YOU STATED THAT YOUR TEAM VISITED THE LOCATION, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THEY DID.
AND WHAT DID YOUR TEAM OBSERVE ON THAT DAY? ON THAT DAY? THEY OBSERVED A GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK PLAYING POOL.
AND WAS THE LOCATION OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? YES, IT WAS.
WERE THERE PATRONS AT THE ESTABLISHMENT? YES.
WERE THERE BILLIARDS HALL TABLES IN USE? YES, IT WAS.
AND ON THAT DATE, IS THAT THIS CITATION THAT WAS ISSUED? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
AND WHO IS IT ISSUED TO? TO MR. MOORE.
IS MR. MOORE THE INDIVIDUAL THAT'S HERE TODAY, THE MANAGER? YES.
NOW, IN YOUR UNDERSTANDING, WHAT WAS THE RESULT OF THAT CITATION? THE RESULT OF THE CITATION WAS TO GO AHEAD AND INFORM THEM ONCE AGAIN THAT THEY WERE OPERATING A LOCATION WITHOUT A BILL SAW LICENSE.
AND IT'S, UH, THAT IDENTIFIED HERE IN THIS SLIDE? YES.
SO ON THE LEFT HERE, UM, IT'S LABELED A COMPLAINT.
UM, CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THE COMPLAINT SAYS IN A SUMMARY? UM, ON THE COMPLAINT IT'S JUST SAYING THAT THEY WERE OPERATING A LOCATION WITHOUT A LICENSE.
AND ON THE RIGHT, IS THAT THE CRIMINAL JUDGMENT? YES, IT IS.
IS THAT A FINDING BY A CRIMINAL COURT THAT, UM, MR. MOORE WAS OPERATING IN VIOLATION OF CITY ORDINANCE? YES.
I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO THE 2025 APPLICATION AFTER THE APRIL 9TH CITATION WAS ISSUED AND, AND PLEAD TO, IS THAT WHEN YOU RECEIVED THE FIRST INCOMPLETE APPLICATION? YES.
AND IS THAT THE APPLICATION THAT'S LISTED HERE? YES.
WHAT ITEMS WERE OUTSTANDING? THE FINGERPRINTS WERE OUTSTANDING AND PART OF THE CRIMINAL HISTORY WAS OUTSTANDING.
AND WHY IS THAT ASPECT IMPORTANT TO AN APPLICATION? WHEN WE GET THE APPLICATIONS, THAT'S THE MAIN THING WE LOOK AT, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO KNOW THAT THE PERSON THAT'S THERE OPERATING AND THAT'S OPERATING ON THE BEHALF OF THE MANAGER DOESN'T HAVE CERTAIN THINGS IN THEIR CRIMINAL HISTORY BACKGROUND.
SO CERTAIN FOR DIFFERENT LICENSE AND DIFFERENT BUSINESS, YOU CANNOT HAVE CERTAIN THINGS ON YOUR CRIMINAL HISTORY WITHIN A TIMEFRAME.
NOW IT, THIS IS THE APPLICATION THAT WAS ULTIMATELY DENIED, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
IS THE DENIAL THE IMAGE THAT'S HERE ON THE RIGHT? YES.
AND IN THAT DENIAL, IS THERE A SPECIFIC SENTENCE ABOUT WHAT IS PROHIBITED OR ALLOWED AFTER THE DATE OF DENIAL? YES, IT IS.
IT, IT STATES OFF IN THERE THAT YOU'RE PROHIBITED TO OPERATE AFTER YOU'VE RECEIVED THIS DENIAL LETTER UNTIL YOU CAN GET YOUR PERMITS UP TO DATE.
SO IT CLEARLY STATES THAT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE OPERATING.
AND DID YOU RECEIVE A GREEN CARD RETURN THAT THIS WAS RECEIVED? YES, I DID.
AND IS THAT THE CERTIFIED MAIL NUMBER THAT'S IN THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER? YES.
NOW, AFTER THIS DATE, UM, IT, IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT YOUR TEAM HAD VISITED THE LOCATION MULTIPLE TIMES? YES.
UM, AND DID Y'ALL TAKE VIDEOS AND VIDEO FOOTAGE OF EACH ONE OF THOSE DAYS? YES, WE DID.
HAVE YOU REVIEWED ALL OF THE PHOTOS AND EVIDENCE WITHIN THIS PRESENTATION? YES, I HAVE.
ARE THESE SNAPSHOTS OF THOSE DATES? YES.
UM, CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT'S OCCURRING IN THESE TWO IMAGES? OKAY, IN THE TWO IMAGES YOU HAVE, UH, THE MR. MOORE STANDING THERE AND YOU HAVE A GENTLEMAN THAT'S STANDING THERE WITH A POOL STICK IN HIS HAND TO THE LEFT.
AND THEN IN THE BACK IMAGE ON THE SECOND IMAGE, YOU HAVE ANOTHER GENTLEMAN THAT'S STANDING OVER THERE BY THE POOL TABLE AS WELL.
IS HER VOICE GONNA GET BIGGER? YEAH.
SO, UM, I CAN, OR YOU HAVE THE, IT'S ON HERE.
SO ON THAT MAY 29TH DATE IN THE IMAGE THAT'S ON THE LEFT, IS THAT MR. MOORE THAT'S PLAYING ON THE BILLIARDS HALL? YES.
AND THIS IS AFTER THE CITATION DATE? YES.
AND AFTER THE ISSUANCE OF THE DENIAL DATE? YES.
AND AFTER THE DATE THAT YOUR TEAM HAD BEEN OUT TO INFORM THEM THAT THEY COULD NOT OPERATE? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
NOW MOVING ON TO THE SECOND SET OF PHOTOS.
CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? THERE'S A GENTLEMAN STANDING THERE WITH A POOL STICK IN HIS HAND, AND YOU CAN SEE ANOTHER ONE IN THE BACKGROUND.
THEY ARE A SHOOTING POOL, YOU CAN SEE THE BALLS ON THE TABLE.
AND THEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE YOU HAVE ANOTHER GENTLEMAN THAT'S SHOOTING POOL.
NOW MOVING ON TO THIS SET OF PHOTOS.
ON THE NEXT SET YOU HAVE ANOTHER GENTLE TWO GENTLEMEN PLAYING POOL TO THE LEFT AND ANOTHER GENTLEMAN SHOOTING POOL TO THE RIGHT.
AND THAT WAS ON JUNE 9TH AND JUNE 11TH? YES.
NOW MOVING ON TO THE NEXT SET OF PHOTOS.
ON THE NEXT SET OF PHOTOS ON JUNE THE 21ST, YOU HAVE A GENTLEMAN THAT'S, UM, SHOOTING POOL OVER TO THE LEFT OF THE PICTURE AND ANOTHER GENTLEMAN SHOOTING POOL TO THE RIGHT.
AND THEN ON JUNE THE 27TH, WHICH WAS VERY RECENT, THAT WAS THE LAST TIME THAT MY TEAM AND I WENT OUT TO DO A NIGHT INSPECTION.
IT WAS A LOT OF PATRONS IN THERE SHOOTING POOL ON THAT NIGHT AS WELL.
SO JUNE 27TH, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THIS PAST SATURDAY? YES.
AND WERE THERE MORE TABLES OUTSIDE OF THESE TABLES THAT ARE DEPICTED HERE? YES.
THAT WERE IN OPERATION, IT WAS, IT WAS QUITE A FEW PATRONS INSIDE THE BUSINESS.
SO SINCE THE MAY 12TH, THE DENIAL LETTER DATE, UM, HAVE THERE BEEN CALLS FOR SERVICE TO THIS LOCATION? YES, THERE HAS.
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UM, HAVE THEY BEEN RELATED TO THE BUSINESS BEING IN USE? YES.GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHAT TYPE OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES BEING CALLED IN? OKAY.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, THERE'S A LOT OF FIGHTS OUT THERE.
THERE ARE CALLS ABOUT, UM, THE DRUG USE IN THE PARKING LOT.
SOME OF THE CALLS CAME FROM THE MANAGER OF THE LOCATION OR EMPLOYEE OF THE LOCATION.
BUT, UH, THAT PROPERTY HAS HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT INCIDENTS OUT THERE, MAJOR DISTURBANCES.
AND IN YOUR UNDERSTANDING, IS THIS LOCATION, HAS IT BEEN, UH, DEEMED A HIGH CRIME LOCATION? YES.
AND AS WELL TO, UH, SPEAK ON IT A LITTLE BIT MORE OUTSIDE OF THE CALLS THAT CAME OUT AT THE LOCATION, THERE HAS BEEN MULTIPLE FIVE EIGHT MARK OUTS THERE, WHICH ARE INITIATED BY DPD TO TRY TO SHOW THEIR PRESENCE TO KIND OF KEEP THE CRIME DOWN BECAUSE IT'S A PROBLEM CHILD.
UM, NOW IN THIS, THIS LAST SLIDE HERE, IS THIS AN ACCURATE TIMELINE OF ALL OF THE, UH, EVENTS THAT YOUR TEAM HAS VISITED THE LOCATION AND OBSERVED THEM CONTINUING TO OPERATE WITHOUT THE LICENSE? YES, THAT'S ACCURATE.
AND THAT WOULD BE MAY 29TH? JUNE 3RD, JUNE 9TH, JUNE 11TH, JUNE 21ST, AND THIS PAST SATURDAY, JUNE 27TH? YES.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO KNOW ABOUT THIS LOCATION? I JUST FEEL LIKE THIS LOCATION HAS FAILED TO, WELL, NUMBER ONE, I WOULD SAY TO ANSWER THE OTHER QUESTION THAT THE GENTLEMAN HAD, THIS LOCATION HAS BEEN OPEN SINCE 20, UH, 10.
AND I KNOW HE WAS SAYING, WHY HADN'T WE'VE BEEN OUT BEFORE? NORMALLY WE WAIT UNTIL THE APPLICATION COMES TO US IN ORDER FOR US TO GO VISIT THE LOCATION, SEE WHAT THEY HAVE.
I'VE ONLY BEEN THERE A YEAR, BUT THIS HAS BEEN THE PROCESS SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE AND SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING.
OR IF A LOCATION COMES TO US FOR A PROBLEM WHERE THEY'RE STEADY GETTING CALLS OUT THERE, STEADY GETTING CALLS, AND IT'S A PROBLEM FOR DPD TO KEEP GOING OUT THERE.
AND AS WELL AS THAT, UM, ONCE WE GO OUT, WE NORMALLY MAKE CONTACT WITH THE OWNERS AND ONCE WE INFORM THEM OF WHAT'S HAPPENING OR GO AS FAR AS WRITING THEM A CITATION, THEY TYPICALLY GO AHEAD AND START TAKING IT SERIOUS.
BUT I FEEL LIKE THIS PROPERTY IS NOT TAKING IT SERIOUS.
THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, COMPLY AND COOPERATE WITH EVERYTHING BECAUSE YOU ALREADY ISSUED A CITATION FOR IT LAST YEAR.
AND THEN HERE WE ARE AGAIN WITH YOU RECEIVING ANOTHER CITATION AND SAYING, WELL, OH, HEY, I DIDN'T KNOW.
WELL, THIS IS THE SAME PROCESS AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S A PATTERN THAT'S STARTING.
AND IS IT, IS IT YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, THIS LICENSE APPLICATION BE AFFIRMED IN DENIAL? YES.
DID, UM, OH YEAH, I'M GONNA STOP THAT.
DID WE HAVE A SERGEANT THAT WAS ALSO GOING TO SPEAK? NO.
WE WILL, UM, NOW MOVE TO THE APPELLANT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY? UM, I'M NOT SURE IF EVERYTHING WAS TRANSLATED TO MR SONG, BUT DOES HE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY AT THIS TIME? YES.
UH, JUST, WE JUST WANT TO, UH, HE JUST WANTED SAY A COUPLE THINGS.
UM, I MEAN, AS YOU SEE THE TIMELINE OF THE APPLICATION, YOU CAN SEE THAT, THAT HE'S BEEN STRUGGLING TO, UH, FILL OUT THE APPLICATION DUE TO, UH, DUE TO THE LANGUAGE BARRIER.
UM, ALSO IF, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE TOLD THEM, IF, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE CITY PEOPLE CAME AND IF LET HIM KNOW THAT, UH, HEY, YOU SHOULDN'T OPERATE IT, THEN HE PROBABLY DIDN'T OPERATE IT.
HE ALSO MENTIONED THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE FEE IS, WHAT THE PENALTY IS, BUT IF HE, IF HE HAS TO, IF HE NEEDS TO PAY THE PENALTY OF OPERATING THE BUSINESS WITHOUT THE LICENSE, HE SAID, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PAY IT.
UM, HE, WE SAW THE CAMERA, LIKE THE, ALL THE FOOTAGE, I MEAN, THEY CAME BY MULTIPLE TIMES AND TOOK THE FOOTAGE.
UM, HE, HE WAS SAYING HE DOES, YOU KNOW, IT COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF JUST LET HIM KNOW AT THE, YOU KNOW, AT THE TIME THE OF VISITATION, LET HIM KNOW, HEY, YOU SHOULDN'T OPERATE IT WHILE YOU'RE OPERATING OR GIVE HIM A ANOTHER CITATION OF OPERATING BUSINESS WITHOUT LICENSE.
DOES MR. SONG HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY AT THIS TIME? IT'S, YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, LET US KNOW YOUR, UM, YOUR SIDE, BUT NOW WE, AFTER HEARING THE CITY SIDE, DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANNA ASK THEM? I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
THE, THE OFFICER SAID THAT THEY CAME BY TWICE.
THEY CAME BY ONCE AND ISSUED US A CITATION, THEN THEY FOLLOWED UP A SECOND TIME.
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UM, CAN SHE OR SOMEONE REITERATE WHAT SHE SAID HAPPENED THERE? BECAUSE WHAT I KNOW HAPPENED, BECAUSE THEY SPOKE TO ME, THEY ASKED IF WE HAD A LICENSE AND I PROVIDED THEM THE EMAIL AND EMAIL TRAFFIC OF WHERE I SUBMITTED THAT VIA OR I SUBMITTED THE MISSING DOCUMENTS VIA EMAIL.AND IT, I ALSO HAVE VIA EMAIL SOMEWHERE HERE.
I, I'M LOOKING FOR IT NOW, WHERE IT SAID WE WERE TO OPERATE BUSINESS AS USUAL UNTIL AFTER THIS MEETING.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS, UM, THE SECOND TIME SHE SAID THEY VISITED, UM, DID SHE, DID THEY NOT, UM, TURN IN THOSE DOCUMENTS OR THE, I I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION TO BE, HE'S ASKING FOR A SUMMARY OF WHAT THE SECOND CONTACT WAS, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
ON THE SUMMARY OF THE SECOND CONTACT, YES.
THEY, THEY WENT OUT THERE, THEY SPOKE WITH YOU, MS. GA MOORE, IN REGARDS TO THE DOCUMENTS AND EVERYTHING BEING MR. MOORE, CAN YOU PLEASE MUTE YOUR MICROPHONE? OKAY.
CAN YOU PLEASE MUTE YOUR MICROPHONE THERE? UM, THE CITY IS TRYING TO PROVIDE A RESPONSE, BUT YOU, YOU NEED TO MUTE BECAUSE WE CAN'T HEAR.
UM, ON THAT SECOND LOCATION, THE SECOND TIME HE'S ASKING ABOUT THE CITY, WENT TO THE LOCATION, SPOKE WITH HIM ABOUT THE MISSING DOCUMENTS AND EVERYTHING, INFORMED THEM OF WHAT WAS MISSING FROM THERE.
SO I HEARD HIM ASKING ABOUT THE DOCUMENTS ON, UM, BODY CAM BECAUSE THEY HAD THEIR BODY CAMERA ON.
SO ON THE BODY CAMERA IT WAS ON THERE WITH HIM ADMITTING TO THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE AWARE THAT THEY ARE OPERATING WITHOUT A LICENSE AT THE TIME AND THAT THEY WERE MADE AWARE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON AND THAT HE WAS ALREADY AWARE THAT THEY HAD BEEN ISSUED A CITATION PRIOR TO THAT OF THAT DAY WITH THEM GOING OUT THE SECOND TIME.
IS THAT WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR? YES.
WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS THE SECOND VISIT THEY HAD, THEY CAME IN HERE AND I SHOWED THEM WHERE I HAD SUBMITTED THE LICENSE ALREADY, AND IF THEY HAD THEIR CAMERAS ON, THEN THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE WHERE I CAME BACK HERE TO THE COMPUTER AND PULLED UP THE EMAIL TO THE OFFICER.
IS THERE A QUESTION? HE SAYS THAT, YEAH.
WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION? MR. MR. MOORE? SHE, YES.
MY QUESTION WAS, SHE SAID THAT WE DIDN'T PROVIDE THE DOCUMENTS, AND MY QUESTION WAS, SINCE SHE SAID THEIR BODY CAMERAS WERE, WERE ON, DO THEY NOT HAVE THE BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE WHERE I BROUGHT THEM BACK? SO THE QUESTION IS DO YOU HAVE THE COMPUTER AND SHOWED THEM WHERE I HAD SUBMITTED THAT.
UH, YES, THAT WAS ON THE BODY CAMERA AS FAR AS THEM SPEAKING WITH YOU ABOUT THE MISSING DOCUMENTS.
THAT'S WHY THEY WERE THERE ON THAT DAY.
NOW, AFTER THE FACT, THEN THE PAPERWORK WAS SENT OVER ONCE THEY LEFT, I RECEIVED THAT, THE, THAT EVENING, BUT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN OUT THERE.
SPEAKING OF THE MISSING DOCUMENTS, HAD I, WE HAD RECEIVED THE MISSING DOCUMENTS PRIOR TO THAT DAY, SO HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. MOORE? MR. COUP, MR. SONG? NO, MA'AM.
IT DOES NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE RECEIVED THAT LATER, BUT THAT WAS SUBMITTED PRIOR TO THAT.
THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THEM BACK HERE TO SHOW THAT WE SUBMIT.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A JUST AGREEMENT, BUT DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING, UM, ANY OF THE CITY'S EXHIBITS OR PRESENTATION? YOU'RE AT FIVE MINUTES 30 AND SINCE YOU ONLY USE TWO MINUTES OF YOUR, OF YOUR OWN PRESENTATION, YOU DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.
MR. MOORE, ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I WILL MOVE TO, UM, BOARD QUESTIONS.
OH, MR. COO, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BY MR. SONG? YEAH.
SO WHAT, WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT MADE YOU, 'CAUSE WHAT MADE YOU, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT MADE YOU THINK THAT WE WERE CARELESS ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE STANDING OUTSIDE AND CAUSING PROBLEMS? BECAUSE WE EVEN HAD A IS THERE QUESTION, A
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QUESTION FOR THE WITNESS? IS THERE A QUESTION FOR THE WITNESS? YEAH, YEAH.WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION, MR. KUP? SO QUESTION IS, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT WE'RE CARELESS ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE STAYING OUTSIDE? EVEN WHEN OUR SECURITY, WERE TRYING TO PUT THEM, UH, YOU KNOW, PICK CARE OF THE SITUATION AND GOT SHOT AND PASSED AWAY LAST YEAR.
WE ARE TRYING, WE PUT EXTRA CAMERAS.
WE'RE TRYING EVERYTHING TO, UH, TAKE CARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING OUTSIDE.
WE'VE BEEN, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN CALLING COPS TO TAKE CARE OF THE SITUATION.
WE HAVE OUR OWN SECURITY TO TAKE CARE OF THE SITUATION.
SO WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT WE ARE NOT, WE ARE CARELESS ABOUT TAKING CARE OF THE SITUATION? WOULD YOU LIKE TO ANSWER THAT DETECTIVE IN AS GENERAL TERMS AS POSSIBLE? CAN WE, UH, CAN WE GET THE QUESTION ONE MORE TIME? HE JUST WANTS TO KNOW WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT HE'S BEEN CARELESS? THANK YOU.
UH, THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE THE BUSINESS IS CONTINUING TO OPERATE.
THE FIGHTS AND EVERYTHING THAT'S TAKING PLACE AT THE LOCATION WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING HAD MR. UM, SONG CLOSED DOWN UNTIL THE HEARING LIKE HE WAS SUPPOSED TO.
THOSE, THOSE PEOPLE WOULD'VE HAD NO REASON TO EVEN STILL BE OUT THERE HANGING OUT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. KUH OR, UH, MR. MOORE? NO, BUT CAN I, CAN I REBUT THAT STATEMENT? THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOT NO, UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS A TIME FOR YOU TO ASK QUESTIONS.
WE ARE UNABLE TO TAKE ANY TESTIMONY FROM YOU, UM, AS THIS IS MORE IN TERMS OF QUESTIONS THAT, SO YOU CAN PHRASE IT IN THE FORM OF A QUESTION AND YOU HAVE ABOUT THREE MORE MINUTES TO DO THAT, BUT YOU CANNOT SURE.
HOW CAN WE, HOW CAN WE KEEP A PARKING LOT CLEAR OF PATRONS THAT DON'T BELONG TO THIS CLUB? THEY ARE OUT THERE HANGING OUT, DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
I FEEL LIKE THE APPELLANT IS TESTIFYING AGAIN VERSUS ASKING QUESTIONS.
YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS MORE TESTIMONY.
MR. MOORE, YOU KEEP YOUR QUESTION SPECIFIC TO ANY SURE.
ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID BY THE CITY AGAIN, UH, BECAUSE YOU ONLY USE TWO MINUTES OF YOUR TIME.
YOU ARE, YOU DO HAVE A COUPLE MORE NOW, BUT PLEASE KEEP IT VERY SPECIFIC TO SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE SAID OR, YEAH, WE'RE DONE WITH OUR QUESTION.
SO WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO BOARD QUESTIONS.
WE WILL START WITH MS. THOMAS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY? YOU ARE RECOGNIZED AT THIS TIME FOR TWO MINUTES.
MS. THOMAS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY? WE ARE UNABLE TO HEAR YOU.
MR. JEFFERSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY? NO, NO QUESTIONS.
MR. JEFFS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY? NO QUESTIONS.
MR. HAYES, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY? I GUESS THIS IS A JOINT QUESTION FOR BOTH DETECTIVE HAYES AND THE CITY ATTORNEY.
UM, THIS WHOLE TESTIMONY HAS ALL BEEN SUBSTANCE.
UH, THE SUBSTANCE HAS BEEN ABOUT THE MECHANICS OF THE PERMIT REAPPLICATION, BUT SECTION, UH, CHAPTER NINE GIVES A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT REASONS WHY AN APPLICATION CAN BE DENIED.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY MAY HAVE VIOLATED SOME OF THOSE AS WELL.
DO, DO YOU HAVE ANY OBSERVATIONS REGARDING THAT? MY OBSERVATION, IN OTHER WORDS, IS IT JUST THE TE ARE WE, ARE WE HOISTING 'EM ON A TECHNICALITY HERE WHEN THERE ARE OTHER REAL REASONS? DID I COME THROUGH? OKAY.
YEAH, WE, WE, UM, WE HEARD YOUR QUESTION.
I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING YES, SIR.
WE, WE'VE RECEIVED YOUR QUESTION.
SHE'S TAKING A LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW.
UM, SECTION NINE A DASH SEVEN KNOWINGLY PERMITTED AN INTOXICATED PERSON TO REMAIN ON THE PREMISES, UH, KNOWINGLY PERMITTED GAMBLING.
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MR. HAYES, WE ARE SOLELY HERE ON THE ISSUE OF, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN OPERATING THE PROPOSED BUSINESS AS A BILLIARD HELD WITHOUT A VALID LICENSE ISSUED UNDER THIS CHAPTER, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE BASIS OF THE DENIAL WAS.AND THAT IS THE ONLY, UM, REASON THAT THE CITY GAVE TO THE APPLICANT TO APPEAL.
SO THAT IS WHAT OUR FOCUS IS ON NOT THE OTHER PROVISIONS.
AND I'M SORRY MR. HAYES, THAT IT TOOK ME A WHILE.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS REVIEWING IT TO GET THE RIGHT ANSWER FOR YOU.
THANK YOU, DETECTIVE, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
UH, MR. QUINT, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? I DO CHAIR.
SO AM I TO UNDERSTAND THAT ON A REAPPLICATION, UM, THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO GET A COMPLETE APPLICATION IN IF THEY FAIL WITHIN THAT 30 DAY PERIOD BY THE LETTER OF THE LAW, IS IT DENIED? YES.
IS THERE ANY, CAN YOU APPEAL AFTER THAT 30 DAYS OR IS THE LAW DONE ON THE DENIAL LETTER? IT GIVES YOU AN EXTRA 10 DAYS.
SO EVEN THOUGH THE, THE LETTER OF THE LOSS THAT THEY MISSED THE WINDOW, THEY STILL CAN.
UM, KNOWING THEY STAYED OPEN LOTS OF DAYS, W WOULD YOU SAY THAT WAS AN UTTER DISREGARD OF THE LAW? YES, I WOULD.
AND, UM, THE, THE, THE APPELLANT IS SAYING THAT THEY WEREN'T AWARE THAT THE LICENSE WAS FOR ONE YEAR, BUT YET Y'ALL SENT A LETTER OUT THAT WAS DIRECTED RIGHT TO MR. SONG THAT SAID YOUR NEW ONE YEAR BILLIARD LICENSE WILL BEGIN MARCH, 2020 FIFTH.
THAT WAS RECEIVED BY HIM, SO THEREFORE HE WAS AWARE OF THE DATE.
MS. SHAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES.
UM, IN THE EXHIBIT, THE CITY'S EXHIBIT, WE SEE THE MARCH 25TH, 2024, UM, LETTER FROM THE CITY.
UM, BUT I DO BELIEVE WHEN YOU WERE GIVING YOUR, UM, PRESENTATION THAT YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS A PREVIOUS CITATION BEFORE THAT.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU REMIND ME OF THAT INFORMATION? UH, YES MA'AM.
UH, THE, THE CITATION WAS ISSUED IN, UH, FEBRUARY TO MR. SONG AND THAT WAS PRIOR, RIGHT BEFORE, THAT'S WHAT PROMPTED THEM TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE APPLICATION.
THE CITATION WAS FOR OPERATING A A BILLERS HALL WITHOUT A LICENSE, WITHOUT A PERMIT.
THE SAME FEBRUARY OF 2024? YES, MA'AM.
UM, MR. GONZALEZ, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? I SURE DO.
UM, FOR THE DETECTIVE, I WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION ON WHAT I PERCEIVED AS A CONTRADICTORY STATEMENT.
UM, YOU STATED THAT THE REASON THAT THIS WASN'T ADDRESSED IN THE 14 YEARS THAT THIS WAS OPEN, WHICH I WOULD'VE BEEN 18 AT THE TIME, SO THAT'S CRAZY IN HIGH SCHOOL, UM, THAT IT, THE REASON IT WASN'T VISITED OR ADDRESSED ANY IN ANY OF THAT TIME FOR OVER A DECADE WAS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T APPLY FOR AN INITIAL APPLICATION, WHICH THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY SAY.
BUT ALSO YOU SAID THAT THAT'S USUALLY ONLY HAPPENED WHEN REPEATED CALLS COME IN, BUT THEN YOU ALSO SAID THAT THIS BUSINESS IS A PROBLEM CHILD.
SO I'M CONFUSED IF IT WAS A PROBLEM CHILD FOR ALL THESE YEARS, WHY WASN'T THIS TAKEN CARE OF A LONG TIME AGO THAT I, YOUR ANSWER TO MY QUESTION EARLIER WASN'T ENOUGH FOR ME.
UH, MR. GONZALES, I WAS JUST GIVING OUT DIFFERENT REASONS ON WHY IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN VISITED, SO I CAN'T STATE TO WHY THEY DID NOT VISIT IT PRIOR TO ME COMING OVER.
THOSE ARE JUST DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF WHAT IT COULD BE ON WHAT WOULD PROMPT THEM TO GO OUT THERE.
SO THAT WAS THE REASON WHY YOU HAD SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS.
WOULD YOU SAY THAT MORE THAN, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
SO WOULD YOU SAY THEN THAT MORE THAN LIKELY IT WASN'T A PROBLEM CHILD ALL THOSE YEARS SINCE THERE WASN'T ANY VISITS? I, THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE PATROL OFFICERS.
WHEN I LOOKED UP THE LOCATION AS FAR AS THE STATS, THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE CALLS OUT THERE THAT WOULD BRING ATTENTION TO THAT LOCATION.
AND THAT WAS THIS YEAR ALONE WHEN I CHECKED THE STATS, CLEARLY NOT ENOUGH ATTENTION TO, UH, TO GET US TO CHECK TO SEE IF THEY HAD A PERMIT.
TO ME, IT'S ON THE CITY TO GOVERN AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR BUSINESSES ARE OPERATING WITH THE APPROPRIATE PERMITS.
SO, TO GO ON WITH THAT, HOW WHEN YOU SENT THE NOTICE OUT, UH, THE INITIAL NOTICE, OKAY, SORRY.
WAS THAT SENT IN ENGLISH OR WHAT LANGUAGE? IT WAS SENT IN IN, UH, ENGLISH.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT EVERYTHING IS SENT OUT TO.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE BUSINESS, THE BUSINESS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE IT HAS ITS PROPER PERMITS, NOT THE CITY, THE CITY, WE GET IT,
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WE LOOK AT IT WHEN THEY SEND THE APPLICATION IN, BUT AS FAR AS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE APPROPRIATE PERMITS TO OPERATE, THAT FALLS ON THE BUSINESS.THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. GONZALEZ.
WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU FOR A SECOND ROUND.
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY AND I'LL BE RECOGNIZED FOR THE FIRST TWO MINUTES.
SO, UM, DETECTIVE HAYNES, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
CAN YOU SHOW ME ON OR POINT ME TO THE PAGE THAT IS EXPLICITLY SHOWING THAT THE, UH, MR. SONG HAD TO RENEW THIS BY MARCH OF 2025? BECAUSE I SEE THE PAGE ON PAGE 15 THAT SHOWS THAT YOUR NEW ONE YEAR BILLIARD LICENSE WILL BEGIN ON MARCH 25TH, 2024.
BUT WE'RE JUST ASSUMING HE UNDERSTANDS THAT BY MARCH 20, 25 OF 2025, HE SHOULD HAVE RIGHT.
BUT IT'S NOT EXPLICITLY STATED THERE.
WELL, ON THIS, ON THE LETTER, MA'AM, YOU'RE RIGHT.
BUT WE, WE, UH, WORDED AS YOUR NEW ONE YEAR, WHICH LETS HIM KNOW IT'S ONLY GOOD FOR ONE YEAR.
BILL HALL WILL BEGIN ON MARCH THE 25TH.
SO THAT'S TO LETTING HIM KNOW THAT BY MARCH 25TH, 2025, THAT ONE YEAR IS UP AND THAT IT, IT NEEDS TO BE RENEWED.
BUT WAS IT, WAS THERE, IS THERE ANY DOCUMENT THAT ACTUALLY SAYS YOU HAVE UNTIL, OR YOU NEED TO RENEW THIS BY FEBRUARY OF 2025, FOR EXAMPLE, IS THAT GIVEN TO, TO BUSINESS OWNERS? WE'RE GIVEN THE, UM, WE SEND A LETTER OUT, BUT ON THE CERTIFICATE IT NORMALLY HAS AN EXPIRATION DATE ON IT AS WELL.
UHHUH,
UM, WHERE IS DOCUMENTATION WHERE YOU EXPLAIN TO THEM OUTSIDE OF THE ACTUAL EXPIRATION DATE YOU NEED TO SUBMIT THIS? YOU SAID WITHIN 30 DAYS, RIGHT? YES.
PEOPLE TYPICALLY SUBMIT IT WITHIN 30 DAYS AND IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE BILLARD HALL LICENSE APPLICATION.
WHAT TAB IS THIS OR WHAT PAGE? TAB FOUR MA'AM, I'M SORRY.
ON THAT FIRST PAGE, ON TAB FOUR, WHAT PAGE IN THE EXHIBIT, OH, SORRY, MY TIME IS UP, BUT CAN YOU GIVE ME THE PAGE TAB FOUR? UH, PAGE ONE, UHHUH.
OH THREE, IT WOULD BE THE FOURTH PAGE.
I WILL NOW RESTART WITH, UH, MS. THOMAS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY? NO, I DO NOT.
MR. JEFFERSON, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, MA'AM.
MR. JEFFERSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.
UH, MR. JEFFS, ANY QUESTIONS? NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS? NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
I ACTUALLY HAVE JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION.
UM, THE PO THE THOUGHT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT, WELL, IT'S SCISSOR RESPONSIBILITY TO LET THE BUSINESS KNOW, BUT YET BY THE CITY'S DEFINITION, IS IT A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE BUSINESS OR THE CITY TO KNOW TO BE CO COMPLIANT? THE BUSINESS? SO THE, SO THE CITY DOESN'T NEED TO EVER TELL SOMEONE THEIR LICENSE IS EXPIRING? NO, UNLESS WE SEE, UNLESS WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
WE GO TO YOUR LOCATION AND WE SAY, ARE YOU AWARE THAT YOUR LICENSE IS EXPIRED? BUT IT'S NORMALLY UP TO THEM TO KEEP UP WITH WHEN THEIR LICENSE EXPIRES.
JUST LIKE HOW THEY, THEY'VE GIVEN THE EXAMPLE OVER AND OVER AGAIN TODAY ABOUT YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE.
IF IT EXPIRES THE DRIVER'S LICENSE, PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA CALL YOU AND TELL YOU THAT IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT I DON'T LOSE MY LICENSE.
AND ON THE PERMIT AND ON THE LETTER YOU SEND THEM CONFIRMING IT, DOES IT EXPLICITLY STATE IT'S FOR ONE YEAR? YES, IT DOES, SIR.
UM, MS. SHIN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
UH, MR. GONZALEZ? UH, I SURE DO.
SO, UH, FOR THE DETECTIVE, WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE CITY HAS NO RESPONSIBILITY OF FAULT IN 14 YEARS OF NOT ENFORCING THE, UH, PERMIT AT THIS LOCATION? I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT, SIR.
AND THAT'S, TO BE HONEST, MR. GONZALEZ, BECAUSE THAT'S A YEAR, THAT'S PRIOR TO MY YEAR OF BEING HERE.
SO I CAN ONLY CONTEST TO THE THINGS THAT I'VE DONE HERE.
BUT IT HA IT IS THE BUSINESS RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP UP WITH WHAT KIND OF PERMIT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE.
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AROUND.OH, I HAVE ANOTHER ANSWER FOR YOUR, ANOTHER PART TO YOUR QUESTION, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF TIME.
YOU, YOU ANSWERED ENOUGH FOR, FOR THAT ONE, BUT FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, 'CAUSE I ONLY HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO DO YOU, DOES YOUR DEPARTMENT OFFER ANY TYPE OF TRANSLATION SERVICES FOR BUSINESS OWNERS WHO ENGLISH IS NOT THE FIRST LANGUAGE? YES, SIR.
IF WE'RE MADE AWARE OF THAT, THAT YOU WANNA, YOU'RE REQUESTING A TRANSLATOR, WE WILL GO OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE FIND A PERSON TO TRANSLATE FOR YOU.
SO YES, OUR DEPARTMENT HAS THAT.
THIS ONE EVER, WAS ONE EVER MADE AVAILABLE FOR THIS BUSINESS OWNER? NO ONE EVER REQUESTED IT.
AND HOW MANY, HOW MANY NOTICES TO RE OR LET ME REPHRASE THIS, WHEN THE, THEY WERE INITIALLY TOLD IN 2024, IT WAS FEBRUARY OF 2024, THAT THEIR, UH, THEY DIDN'T, THEY WERE OPERATING WITHOUT A LICENSE.
HOW LONG AFTER THAT INITIAL, UH, NOTIFICATION DID IT TAKE FOR THEM TO APPLY AND GET THEIR INITIAL LICENSE? UM, I WOULD SAY ROUGHLY LIKE A MONTH BECAUSE IT WAS THAT FOLLOWING MONTH.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT PRETTY QUICK? UM, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE I'M, IF I, WELL, I WOULD JUST SAY IF I'M INFORMED THAT I NEED A LICENSE TO OPERATE SOMETHING, I WOULD DO IT MORE SWIFTLY THAN 30 DAYS.
I WOULD BE DOWN THERE THE NEXT OPENING BUSINESS DAY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PAPERWORK I NEED TO GET IN COMPLIANCE.
WELL, AND I APPRECIATE THAT THAT'S EASY FOR SOMEBODY WHO ENGLISH IS THEIR FIRST LANGUAGE AND NOT HAVING TO FIND A TRANSLATOR.
BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS TODAY.
I AM RECOGNIZING MYSELF FOR TWO MINUTES.
SO, UH, DETECTIVE HAYNES, IT IS, IS IT CLEAR THAT THE APPELLANT IS, WAS AND IS CONTINUES TO THIS DAY TO OPERATE A BILLIARD WITHOUT A LICENSE? YES, MA'AM.
AND WHAT IS THE EFFECT OF OUR AFFIRMING YOUR DECISION TODAY? WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE, WHAT DOES THE APPELLANT HAVE TO DO AT THIS POINT? JUST SHUT DOWN.
WELL, AT THIS POINT THEY COULD PROBABLY, I GUESS, APPLY FOR A NEW LICENSE, BUT AT THIS POINT THEY HAVE BEEN OPERATING FOR SO LONG OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE, EVEN AFTER US CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK, GOING BACK, GOING BACK.
'CAUSE WE'RE EVEN LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT AFTER ALL THE REPEATED VISITS THAT WE MADE OUT THERE TO, YOU KNOW, INFORM THEM OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND THEY WERE ISSUED A CITATION AS RECENT AS THE 27TH, THEY'RE STILL OPERATING WITHOUT A LICENSE.
IT WAS PACKED IN THERE AND I, I SAW THAT MYSELF.
SO, SO IT IS, SO THERE, THEY DO HAVE A REMEDY TO REAPPLY FOR THIS BAYARD'S LICENSE, BUT IT IS LIKELY GONNA GET DENIED.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YES, PROBABLY.
AND, UM, I I THINK WE MADE IT CLEAR THAT THE SCOPE IS ONLY WHETHER THEY ARE OPERATING WITHOUT A LICENSE AND IT SEEMS TO BE CLEAR.
WOULD YOU AGREE THAT YES, THEY ARE OPERATING WITHOUT A LICENSE? YES, MA'AM.
UM, WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE LAST PIECE OF THE HEARING, WHICH IS CLOSING STATEMENTS.
AND SO THE BOARD WILL NOW HEAR CLOSING STATEMENTS AND ARGUMENTS.
EACH SIDE WILL HAVE 10 MINUTES AND WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE APPELLANT'S CLOSING STATEMENTS.
AND THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY, UM, MR. MOORE AND MR. SONG TO LET US KNOW.
UM, NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ASK, ASK, ASK QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, BUT JUST GIVE US YOUR CLOSING STATEMENT.
UM, AND YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THE NEXT 10 MINUTES.
UM, YEAH, UH, I, I WANT YOU GUYS TO PAY ATTENTION ON HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW HARD, HOW HARD HE WAS TRYING TO, UM, GET THE RENEWAL, RENEWAL LICENSE DONE.
ONCE, ONCE AFTER HE REALIZED THAT HE HAS TO GET THAT DONE.
I CAN'T SEE ALL THE EMAILS THAT HE'S BEEN TRYING TO SEND OUT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, BUT HE, YOU KNOW, BUT AS YOU SEE, HE, HE MADE A MISTAKE.
HE DIDN'T KNOW HE HAS TO GET A FINGERPRINT DONE AND CERTAIN STUFF DUE TO, UH, DUE TO A LANGUAGE BARRIER.
UM, ALSO, UH, PRACTICE OF BUSINESS.
UH, AS I, AS YOU MENTIONED, YES, THERE ARE, WE KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF, UH, CRAZY PEOPLE THAT ARE STANDING ON OUR PARKING LOT.
UH, WE, YOU KNOW, WE CALL COPS TO GET HELP.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T CALL COPS, THEN WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO? UM, IF, IF WE, IF THEY GONNA SAY THAT WE ARE A TROUBLEMAKER, BECAUSE WE CALL COPS OFTEN, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO TO CALL, WHO TO CALL, UH, WHO TO CALL TO GET HELP.
WE HAD OUR OWN SECURITY, UH, TRY TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE LAST YEAR AND GET SHOT FROM ONE OF THE GUYS.
AND AFTER THAT WE ALSO ASKING COPS TO GET HELP.
SO WE ARE, WE WERE TRYING TO HELP, WE'RE TRYING, WE WERE TRYING OUR BEST TO, UM, YOU KNOW,
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UH, CLEAR THE, CLEAR OUR FRONT, UH, FRONT ENTRANCE AND MAKE THIS A SHOPPING MALL.UM, THEY WERE, THEY WERE NOT OUR CUSTOMER.
UM, EVEN, EVEN WE CLOSE OUR LOCATION, THEY'LL WILL STILL BE THERE.
THEY'RE NOT COMING INSIDE A LOCATION.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE PUT MULTIPLE CAMERA TO WATCH THEM OVER POINT OF OVER.
UM, AND THEN YES, SIR, YES, MR. THE APPELLANTS GOING OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT THE CRIMINAL PROPERTY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OPERATING OUT A PERMIT.
YEAH, BUT I MEAN, HE HAS 10 MINUTES TO TRY TO CONVINCE US AND IF HE WANTS TO SPEND HIS TIME OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE, THAT'S HIS, BUT THEY CLEARLY SAID WE HAD TO STAY WITH THE TOPIC, NOT OUTSIDE.
AND THAT'S GOING OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
MR. KUH, WILL YOU WONDER
UM, OH, MR. GONZALEZ CASE THEY, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I HAVE A POINT OF, UH, INQUIRY, I GUESS I FORGOT THE PHRASE, BUT MY, MY QUESTION I GUESS IS YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE, HOWEVER THE CITY USED THAT AND THEIR TESTIMONY AGAINST THIS CASE THAT, SO WHY WOULDN'T PROVE IT TO ME IF IT WASN'T A, IN THE SCOPE THE CITY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO USE IT OR OTHERWISE THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK ABOUT IT NOW.
WELL, AND THEY CLEARLY SAID THAT THEY COULDN'T GO DOWN THAT ROAD.
THE ATTORNEY SAID YOU CAN'T USE THAT, THAT WE ARE ONLY DEALING WITH.
SO WHY DID A PERMIT USE IT? PERMIT? BUT SHE WAS TOLD SHE COULDN'T USE THAT EVIDENCE OF, OF BEING CRIMINAL.
SO THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN STRICKEN.
WELL, I THINK THAT, UM, I THINK THAT MR. COUP, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE MR. SONG TO STAY WITHIN THE REASONING BEHIND HE THINK, OKAY, HE THINKS OUR, THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE SHOULD BE REVERSED.
RIGHT? LIKE, WHY SHOULD WE REVERSE THAT DECISION? ARE YOU OR ARE YOU NOT OPERATING A BILLIARD LICENSE, UM, BILL LOCATION, AND WHY SHOULD WE REVERSE IT? OKAY.
AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, ONCE, UH, LIKE, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, ONCE, ONCE AFTER HE REALIZED THAT HE HAS TO TAKE CARE OF A RENEWAL LICENSE, HE TRIED EVERYTHING HE CAN.
AND HE, HE, HE DID, HE, HE WAS IN HIS, UH, HIS FACE.
UH, HE, SHE TRIED VERY, VERY HARD TO, UH, GET IT DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
ALSO, UH, HOW THEY MENTIONED ABOUT THE 10 YEARS, YES, HE DIDN'T KNOW, UH, WHEN, WHEN HE PURCHASED THE BUSINESS, HE DIDN'T KNOW, RIGHT? BUT IN 2024 CD APPROVED AND GAVE HIM A PERMIT, AND HE ALSO PAID THE FINES THAT CITY REQUESTS TO PAY BECAUSE OF, HE DIDN'T HAVE A LI UH, HE DIDN'T HAVE A PERMIT IN THE PAST.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY C KEPT BRINGING IT UP.
HEY, YOU DIDN'T HAVE IT LAST 10 YEARS.
OKAY, THEN 2000, THEN WE SHOULDN'T HAVE, WE SHOULD HAVE SHUT OUR BUSINESS DOWN BACK IN 2024 AND NOT, NOT BEING ABLE TO GET THE, A PERMIT FROM THE BEGINNING.
UM, WE, WE PAID FOR THE FINES.
THEY, THEY REQUIRE, UH, SAME AS THIS TIME, WE, WE PAY THE FINES THAT REQUIRE, UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS.
WE WERE, UH, HE, WE ARE TRYING BEST, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING WE CAN TO GET THE PERMIT RENEW.
UH, WE PROMISE, WE MAKE PROMISE THAT WE ARE, THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN EVER, EVER AGAIN.
UM, HE'LL, HE'LL PUT IT ON HIS CALENDAR.
UM, HE'LL, YOU KNOW, HE'LL NOT JUST LET MANAGER HANDLE ALL THE PERMITS.
UM, WE'LL ALSO DISCUSS WITH THE CPA AND SEE IF THEY CAN ADD THIS TO THEIR SERVICE SO THAT IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT ON MAY 29TH, I SENT AN EMAIL OUT ASKING WHAT GUIDELINES IN THE MEANTIME WHY WE'RE WAITING FOR OUR LICENSE OR OUR DENIAL OR WHATEVER.
AND I GOT AN EMAIL FROM NANCY SANCHEZ AT 1:43 PM ON MAY 29TH.
YOU MAY CONTINUE TO OPERATE YOUR BUSINESS AS USUAL UNTIL YOUR, UH, APPEAL HEARING.
AND WE, SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE BEEN CONTINUED BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, ONCE THE POLICE SHOWED UP, THEY DIDN'T TELL US WE HAD TO SHUT DOWN AND OUR LIQUOR LICENSE AND POOL HALL LICENSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO, UM, AT NO TIME DID THEY SAY, WELL, YOU, YOU NEED TO TAKE YOUR POOL TABLES OFF LIMITS OR, OR SHUT DOWN YOUR POOL TABLES OR WHATEVER.
SO OUR BUSINESS CAN OPERATE WE, 'CAUSE WE HAVE A LIQUOR LICENSE, WE JUST APPARENTLY, UM, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED ANYBODY TO PLAY POOL.
BUT LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE THE EMAIL FROM NANCY SANCHEZ ON MAY 29TH SAYING, CONTINUED BUSINESS AS USUAL.
MR. K AND MR. AMOR, UM, YOU HAVE FIVE LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES REMAINING.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'D
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LIKE TO SPEAK ON, ON WHY WE SHOULD REVERSE THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE IN CLOSING IN YOUR CLOSING ARGUMENTS? UH, NO MA'AM.THIS IS, UH, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. MR. COO.
UM, WE WILL NOW HEAR THE CITY STATEMENTS AND ARGUMENTS YOU'LL RECOGNIZE FOR 10 MINUTES.
THANK YOU CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UM, THROUGH THE CITY'S EVIDENCE TODAY, WE'VE PROVIDED YOU, UM, WITH MULTIPLE INSTANCES OF REOCCURRING OPERATION WITHOUT A VALID LICENSE, UM, SINCE THE DENIAL LETTER WENT OUT AND THAT DENIAL, DENIAL LETTER DID FORM THIS BUSINESS IN WRITING THAT THEY COULD NOT CONTINUE OPERATIONS.
HOWEVER, EVEN BEFORE THAT, WE'VE HAD A HISTORY OF NON-COMPLIANCE.
WE'VE HAD NOT ONLY THE MANAGER WHO'S HERE TODAY, BUT ALSO THE BUSINESS OWNER HIMSELF RECEIVE CRIMINAL CITATIONS AND HAVE BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF CONTINUING TO OPERATE WITHOUT THE CORRECT LICENSE.
NOW TODAY WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE LICENSE THAT WAS SUBMITTED, THE RENEWAL LICENSE, WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED PRIOR TO THE EXPIRATION.
HOWEVER, IT WAS NOT IN THE CASE THAT THIS BOARD CHOOSES TO REVIEW IT AS A NEW APPLICATION.
THE CITY STILL ARGUES THAT THE APPLICATION SHOULD REMAIN DENIED BECAUSE OF THE CONTINUED OPERATION WITHOUT AN APPROVED LICENSE.
AND WITH THAT, THE CITY WILL ASK THAT THIS BOARD, UM, APPROVE THE DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION.
WE WILL, UM, NOW EITHER HAVE MOTIONS OR, UH, EITHER MAY I HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE BOARD MOTION REGARDING THE DENIAL OF A BILLARDS HALL PERMIT FOR CK BILLARDS EITHER TO AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE OR REVERSE THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
DO I HAVE ANY MOTION TO EITHER, UM, SURE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE OVERRULE THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND, UH, ACCEPT THIS APPEAL.
LET ME, UH, SO I HAVE A MOTION FOR, FROM MR. GONZALEZ REGARDING, UH, TO REVERSE THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE REGARDING THE DENIAL OF A BILLARDS HALL PERMIT FOR CK BILLARDS.
IS THAT CORRECT, MR. GONZALEZ? THAT IS CORRECT.
NOW DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION? UM, AGAIN, DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION? OKAY.
UM, SO SORRY MR. GONZALEZ, NO ONE HAS SECONDED YOUR MOTION.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DISCUSSION OR A MOTION TO AFFIRM OR DENY THE CHIEF OF POLICE? OH, HIS MOTION.
OR SORRY, MR. GONZALEZ, YOUR MOTION DOES FAIL UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT SECONDED.
SO NOW I WILL HEAR ANY, YES, ANY, SO I WAS GONNA SAY, CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO DISCUSS? YES, GO AHEAD.
MAKE A MOTION TO DISCUSS, PLEASE.
OH, YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DISCUSSION.
SORRY, A MOTION NEEDS TO BE ON THE FLOOR FIRST BEFORE DISCUSSION.
SO A NEW MOTION HAS TO BE MADE BEFORE DISCUSSION.
WE WILL NOW HAVE A BOARD MEMBER MAKE A MOTION AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS.
I MOVE THAT WE UPHOLD THE POLICE CHIEF'S DENIAL OF THE, THE BILL AL PERMIT.
SO NOW I HAVE ANOTHER MOTION, UM, BY MR. QUINT TO AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE REGARDING THE DENIAL OF BILLARDS HALL PERMIT FOR CK BILLARDS.
SECONDED BY MR. JEFFERSON HAYES.
UH, DO, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? NO DISCUSSION.
WE WILL NOW DISCUSS THE MOTION.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA LET IT GET AWAY.
SO ANY BOARD MEMBER WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE MOTION TO REVERSE THE DENIAL OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
UM, IN, IN AS MUCH AS I, I WAIT A MINUTE, THAT'S NOT POINT OF ORDER, THAT'S NOT THE MOTION THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.
THE DECISION OF CHIEF OF POLICE, UM, IN AS MUCH AS, AS THE APPELLATE HAS SAID, WELL, DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE LETTER, UH, UM, THE TRANSLATORS WERE AVAILABLE, UH, IN AS MUCH AS THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T REALLY KNOW THEY HAD TO, UM, APPLY ON TIME AT A CERTAIN TIME.
THE LETTER THEY RECEIVED FROM THE CITY CLEARLY STATES IT'S ONE YEAR WITH A EXPIRATION DATE.
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IT IS BLACK AND WHITE AS IT GETS.THERE'S NO IN BETWEEN THE LICENSE THAT THEY HANG ON THE WALL HAS THAT EXACT SAME DATE THAT THE MANAGEMENT PASSES BY EVERY SINGLE DAY, 365.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S NOT THERE.
UM, THEY CONTINUE TO OPERATE FOR THREE MONTHS, THREE MONTHS WITHOUT, WITHOUT A LICENSE.
IT, IT'S ALMOST AS IF THEY FLAUNT THAT, WELL, WE'RE WORKING ON IT WHEN WE GET TO IT, WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO IT.
'CAUSE THEY DID IT OUTSIDE THE 30 DAY PERMIT TO BE CONSIDERED A RENEWAL.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY OPERATED WITHOUT A LICENSE.
IT'S ABSOLUTELY AS BLACK AND WHITE AS IT GETS.
DO I HAVE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UM, AT THIS TIME AGAINST THE MOTION TO AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE TO DENY YES.
NO OTHER OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? YEAH, I'LL COME BACK.
YES, MR. HAYES, I'LL COME BACK.
MR. GONZALEZ, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST THE MOTION TO AFFIRM THE DECISION.
I, I, BY TRADE, I WORK IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS WORTH SIX PEOPLE LOSING THEIR JOBS OVER.
UM, YOU KNOW, I USED TO BE A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER.
I WORKED IN MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT.
I KNOW THAT THIS PROCESS IS CONFUSING.
I FORGOT TO FILE FOR THINGS ON TIME.
UM, I'M REALLY GLAD THAT PEOPLE GAVE ME A SECOND CHANCE WHEN I, UH, DID THAT.
UM, ALSO AS SOMEBODY WHOSE FAMILY DOESN'T SPEAK ENGLISH AS A FIRST LANGUAGE, I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO NAVIGATE AN ALREADY COMPLICATED PROCESS.
UM, TO ME, WHEN THE OWNER DISCOVERED BACK IN FEBRUARY OF 2024, AFTER THE CITY FAILED, UH, FOR 14 YEARS OF DOING ITS JOB OF ENFORCING POLICY, UM, THAT THEY NEEDED ONE, THEY APPLIED FOR ONE WITHIN A MONTH.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE PROVIDED EDUCATION.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, WE DIDN'T REALLY GET INTO ALL OF THAT.
BUT I DO THINK THE CITY HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO ENFORCE POLICY.
THIS BUSINESS IS NOT BEYOND BLAME EITHER.
I THINK BOTH PARTIES, THE CITY AND THE BUSINESS, ARE BOTH IN BLAME HERE.
UM, IN THIS CASE, THE CITY FAILS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO ENFORCE FOR ALL THOSE YEARS.
UM, THE FACT THAT THIS BUSINESS HAS ALL THEIR OTHER APPROPRIATE LICENSING AND PERMITS, UH, TELLS ME THAT THEY'RE NOT A NEGLIGENT BUSINESS.
THEY CLEARLY HAVE BEEN KEEPING UP WITH THEIR ALCOHOL PERMITS, THEIR OTHER PERMITS, AND THEIR OTHER LICENSES THEY NEED.
UM, TO ME THIS IS JUST A MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE PROCESS BEHIND THIS.
THIS IS THEIR FIRST TIME RENEWING IT.
UM, SO I JUST DON'T THINK THAT A CLERICAL ERROR, UH, A LACK OF, I GUESS, JUDGMENT ON THIS ONE ISSUE MEANS THAT THEY SHOULD CLOSE AND LOSE THEIR LIVELIHOOD.
SO I WOULD, UM, TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS, IF YOU ARE GIVEN A SECOND CHANCE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS HERE ARE WILLING TO GIVE YOU ONE.
I AM, UH, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU'RE ON TOP OF THIS NEXT YEAR.
I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU GIVE THIS RESPONSIBILITY TO SOMEBODY ELSE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE ABLE TO
UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE GIVEN A SECOND CHANCE AND YOU'RE COME BACK AGAIN, I PROBABLY WON'T BE AS WILLING TO, TO OVER APPEAL OR OVERDO IT AGAIN.
BUT, UM, I WILL BE VOTING TO GIVE YOU GUYS A SECOND CHANCE TODAY.
AND I THINK THAT I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THE CITY'S ENFORCEMENT TEAM TO PROVIDE BETTER EDUCATION, UH, ON THIS PROCESS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE AREN'T JUST NEGLECTING THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THEIR ENFORCEMENT OF POLICY FOR 14 YEARS.
DO I HAVE ANYONE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION, UM, FOR THE MOTION TO AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE? YEAH.
UM, I INITIALLY HAD SOME SYMPATHY FOR ALL THE PROCEDURAL DIFFICULTIES AND THE LANGUAGE BARRIERS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT, UH, MR. GONZALEZ MENTIONED, BUT WHAT PUSHED ME TO STRONGLY SUPPORT, UH, THE, UH, DECISION AND NOT OVERTURN IT, I IS THAT SOME COME SOMETIME, LET'S SAY APRIL AT LEAST.
AND I HAD A CITATION AND WENT TO COURT AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND UNDERSTOOD THAT THEIR PERMIT HAD BEEN DENIED AND UP UNTIL EVEN MAY 29TH WHEN, I DON'T KNOW WHY NANCY ISSUED THAT STATEMENT, BUT HE DID.
AND IT WAS NOT IN THEIR ORIGINAL EXHIBITS, BUT YOU DID PUT IT ON CAMERA, MR. MOORE.
SO SOMETIME, LET'S SAY FOR AT LEAST A MONTH, MONTH AND A HALF, THEY WERE OPERATING WITHOUT A PERMIT AND SHOULD HAVE SHUT THE DOORS.
AND, UH, I THINK THEIR ONLY REMEDY AT THIS POINT IS GONNA BE, BECAUSE IF THEY TRY TO APPLY FOR A NEW LICENSE, OBVIOUSLY IT WILL BE DENIED ON THE BASIS OF, I MEAN, OF, UM, MR. K'S OWNERSHIP AND HE'S GOTTA SELL THE BUSINESS OR CLOSE IT, ONE OR THE OTHER.
SO I'M GONNA, I'M SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST OR FOR THE MOTION? I, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK FOR THE MOTION.
UM, AGAIN, LIKE MR. HAYES, I WAS LEANING TOWARDS, UM, YOU KNOW,
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ONE MISTAKE.UM, WE ALL DESERVE A LITTLE GRACE.
UM, AND WE JUST LIKE MR. GONZALEZ, I'M FOR BUSINESS OWNERS.
UM, I DON'T THINK ENGLISH AS YOUR, UH, IF ENGLISH IS NOT YOUR FIRST LANGUAGE, THAT YOU SHOULD BE PENALIZED FOR THAT.
UM, IT WASN'T UNTIL DETECTIVE HAYNES MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A CITATION ISSUED IN FEBRUARY OF 2024.
UM, AND SO WE DID NOT SEE THIS BUSINESS BEFORE US LAST YEAR BECAUSE THE CHIEF OF POLICE HAD GRACE AND, UM, REALIZED THAT THIS BUSINESS WAS OPERATING WITHOUT A BILLARDS, UH, LICENSE.
AND SO THEY PAID THE FINES AT THAT TIME.
UM, I THINK WE WOULD ALL BE REMISS IF WE ALLOWED A SECOND TIME FOR THE FINES TO BE PAID AND TO APPROVE IT, UM, AND TO OVERTURN THE CHIEF OF POLICE'S DECISION.
UM, BECAUSE HOW MANY TIMES DO WE GIVE GRACE? YOU KNOW, THEY, FROM LAST YEAR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THE CITY CODE.
UM, YOU CAN, EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO LOOK UP THE CITY OF DALLAS CODE, UM, AND CAN FIND OUT THAT YOU HAVE 30 DAYS BEFORE THE EXPIRATION AND THAT THE DANCE HALL PER, OR SORRY, BILLARDS PERMITS ARE ONE YEAR.
IT'S ON THE, THE LICENSE ITSELF THAT'S DISPLAYED IN THE BUSINESS.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY I AM IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION THAT MR. QUINT, UH, PRESENTED.
ANY OTHER, UM, ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER WANNA SPEAK IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE CURRENT MOTION? I WILL SPEAK ON THE MOTION AND I'LL KEEP IT IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.
I'LL ALSO KEEP IT BRIEF BECAUSE I THINK EVERYONE HAS KIND OF SAID THE SAME THING.
UM, I AM EMPATHETIC TO A SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, AND I THINK THAT IT BEHOOVES, UM, US TO JUST HAVE MANAGEMENT THAT WILL ENSURE THAT WE ARE COMPLIANT, UM, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS WAS OVERLOOKED BY THE CITY FOR A LONG TIME.
SO I, I TOO BELIEVE THAT, UM, WE'VE GOT TWO THINGS THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON ON THE CITY SIDE AND ALSO THE SMALL BUSINESS SIDE.
I HOPE THAT, UM, MR. SONG IS A, IS ABLE TO, UM, MAKE SOME, YOU KNOW, LEARN FROM THIS AND, AND THAT HE IS FRUITFUL IN, IN ANYTHING ELSE THAT HE MAY, UM, DO.
BUT OBVIOUSLY WE ALL HAVE TO ALSO JUST COME TO THIS HEARING AND WE, OUR HANDS WERE TIED.
WE REALLY HAD TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THE LETTER OF THE LAW, WHETHER YOU ARE OR ARE NOT OPERATING A BILLARDS LOCATION WITHOUT A LICENSE.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE REALLY, THAT WAS THE SCOPE OF THE HEARING AND THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LEANING TOWARDS BECAUSE IT IS PLAIN AND CLEAR THAT YOU ARE.
AND FOR THAT REASON, I DO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
SO WE WILL, UM, SINCE IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WANTING TO SPEAK, UM, IN SUPPORT OR AGAINST THE MOTION, WE WILL NOW TAKE A VOTE.
SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE TO DENY, UM, THE BILLARDS HALL PERMIT FOR CK BILLARDS, PLEASE SAY AYE.
SORRY, DID WE HAVE SOMEONE ELSE SAY SOMETHING? I MEAN, I SAID NA
SO, BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, UM, WE CAN'T, WE ARE NOT ON UNANIMOUS.
WE'RE, I'M, I'M JUST GONNA GO AHEAD AND CALL US BY NAME AND YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND TELL US IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION OR NOT.
SO MS. THOMAS, ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? YES.
MR. JEFFERSON, ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? YES.
MR. HAYES, ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? YES.
MR. GONZALEZ? NO, NOT IN FAVOR.
SO MS. AND MS. ALA, YOU ARE ALSO ABLE TO VOTE AT THIS TIME.
ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? NO, I, NO, I'M AGAINST IT.
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EVEN ON HERE.SO WE HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND TWO, NOT IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, UH, THE VOTE DOES PASS.
NOW, BOARD MEMBERS, PLEASE MONITOR YOUR EMAIL BECAUSE THESE FINDINGS WILL BE EMAILED TODAY.
WE ARE SO SORRY FOR THE TECHNICAL ISSUES WE HAD IN THE BEGINNING.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE ARE, UM, AFFIRMING THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE TO DENY, UH, THIS BILLARD HALL PERMIT.
AND, UM, THIS NOW CONCLUDES OUR HEARING AND THE TIME IS 1130 ON THE DOT.
AM THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYBODY.
I, I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION.
SINCE WE'RE BEING DENIED, DOES THAT MEAN WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SELL ALCOHOL? WE JUST CAN'T RENT OUT THE POOL TABLES, CORRECT? BECAUSE ONE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER.
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION MR. MOORE.
NOW OUR SCOPE IS VERY LIMITED IN THE DENIAL OR AFFIRMING OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE, AND THAT'S THE ONLY GUIDANCE THAT WE CAN GIVE YOU ON.
SO YOUR LICENSE FOR YOUR, UM, DAN BILLARD HALL IS AT THIS TIME DENIED BECAUSE WE AFFIRM WHAT THE CHIEF OF POLICE HAS SAID, CORRECT? YEAH, BUT YOU PROBABLY NEED TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT MR. MOORE.
SAY AGAIN? SO YOU NEED TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT WITH CITY AUTHORITIES THAT HAVE THE ANSWER BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT THIS WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
TABC SAYS THAT ONE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, SINCE THE OFFICER SAID THAT SHE CAME IN AND WE WERE CONDUCTING BUSINESS AS USUAL, UH, WITH POOL TABLES.
SO MY QUESTION IS, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT RENTING OUT THE POOL TABLES, BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN GET THE POOL TABLES MOVED OUT TODAY, BUT WE SHOULD STILL BE ABLE TO SELL ALCOHOL.
I, I'M NOT, I'M, I'M NOT EQUIPPED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT I DO BELIEVE IF YOU GET IN HOLD, IF YOU GET A HOLD OF THE CITY, THEN THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT.
WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT YOUR BILLARDS LICENSE IS CONTINUING TO BE DENIED AS WE'VE AFFIRMED THE CHIEF OF POLICE'S DECISION.
WELL, YOU, YOU HAVE A OFFICER FROM VICE RIGHT THERE.
CAN YOU ASK THEM SINCE IT'S GONNA BE THEM, SIR, THIS IS NOT, THAT IS NOT PART OF THE HEARING.
THE HEARING IS NOW OVER, SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO CONTACT THE CITY FOR FURTHER QUESTIONS.
I, I AGREE THAT THIS IS NOT AJO PART OF AD THE MEETING THE AD.
MR. GONZALEZ, I'M SO SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF.
UM, ANY POINT OF ORDER SHOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED BEFORE MY ADJOURNMENT, UM, AT 1130, WHICH WAS ABOUT TWO MINUTES AGO.
OUT OF RESPECT FOR EVERYBODY'S TIME AND JUST THE, THE WAY THAT THESE HEARINGS GO, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO TAKE ANY MORE POINTS OF ORDER AS I HAVE ADJOURNED.
BUT I ENCOURAGE MR. MOORE TO CONTACT THE CITY AUTHORITIES REGARDING NEXT STEPS.
UM, I, THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD FOR THE CITY EARLIER.
UM, SO KIND OF WHERE DO YOU GO FROM HERE? SO, UH, I DO BELIEVE IT WAS ADDRESSED.
IT WASN'T, AND THAT'S WHAT IT WAS IN MY TALKING POINTS ALSO, BUT, UH, GOOD ENOUGH.