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GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THE MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.
IT IS JULY 7TH AT 1 0 4, AND I AM CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
I'M EVELYN MONTGOMERY, THE CHAIR, AND OUR VICE CHAIR IS COMMISSIONER COURTNEY SP.
AND WE WILL BEGIN BY, UM, CALLING A ROLL CALL OF OUR COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE PRESENT.
DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER SHERMAN WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON PRESENT.
SO WE WILL BEGIN WITH HAVING COMMISSIONER SPELL, MAKE A COUPLE OF MOTION MOTIONS.
MOTIONS ABOUT HOW WE WILL HANDLE OUR AGENDA TODAY.
UM, I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN, UM, PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER PREKI FOR THE SECOND.
ALL, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, SO THAT MOTION HAS CARRIED, WHICH MEANS THAT ALL CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS HAVE BEEN, UM, RULED ON AS RECOMMENDED BY THE, UH, CITY STAFF.
I JUST HAVE, UM, FOR D FOUR, WE DO HAVE SOMEONE SIGNED UP SPEAK.
IT'S NOT ON YOUR LIST, BUT THEY OH, YOU GOT IT.
I, BECAUSE THEY EMAILED EARLIER TODAY, SO I WASN'T SURE.
IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT THAT WANTS TO SPEAK THAT EITHER DIDN'T CONTACT THE OFFICE AHEAD OF TIME OR HAS NOT FILLED OUT ONE OF THE FORMS? NO.
ALL, SO WITH THAT IN MIND THEN, UM, WE'LL REARRANGE THE SCHEDULE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE IN PERSON FIRST, FOLLOWED BY THOSE ONLINE.
AND THEN WE'LL TAKE THE REST IN REMAINING ORDER.
SO I MOVE TO REARRANGE THE AGENDA TO BEGIN WITH.
UH, DISCUSSION ITEM ONE, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEMS EIGHT AND NINE AND DISCUSSION ITEM 4, 10, 11, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEMS FIVE AND SEVEN AND THEN THE REMAINING IN ORDER, OH, IS THAT ONE THAT WE DON'T HAVE? OKAY.
SO LEMME JUST PAUSE FOR A SECOND SO THAT I CAN INSERT IT BACK IN SOON.
AND WE'RE WAITING FOR ONE YELLOW SLIP.
AND I AM SURE YOU'VE BEEN FROZEN FOR A WHILE.
UM, WE WE'RE ACTUALLY JUST WAITING.
THERE WAS ONE PERSON HERE WHO HAS COME TO SPEAK, WHO WAS FILLING OUT THEIR YELLOW SLIPS SO THAT WE CAN VERIFY THAT OUR PROPOSED ORDER OF TAKING THE ITEMS, UH, MEETS OUR AIM OF, OF HEARING FROM SPEAKERS IN THE FIRST ITEMS. WELL, EVERYBODY'S FACE QUIT MOVING
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OKAY.SO YOU HAVE TO GIVE US A NEW ORDER NOW? YES.
SO I'M MOVE TO REARRANGE THE AGENDA TO BEGIN WITH.
DISCUSSION ITEM ONE, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEM EIGHT NINE.
DISCUSSION ITEM 4, 10, 11, 12, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEM FIVE AND SEVEN.
AND THEN THE REMAINING IN ORDER, WHICH WILL BE TWO THREE.
AND THEN DISCUSSION ITEMS 13 THROUGH 18.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THIS MOTION? SECOND.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HARPER FOR YOUR SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
AND SO WE WILL BEGIN WITH DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER ONE.
OH, WE NEED SOMEONE TO READ TASK FORCE COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER HARPER HAS VOLUNTEERED.
OKAY, CHRISTINA PRESS ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 1 3 15 SOUTH ROSEMONT WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CE 2 4 5 0 1 0 CP.
THE REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF ELIGIBILITY TO DETERMINE IF THE ACCESSORY BUILDING IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND THEREFORE ELIGIBLE FOR TAX EXEMPTION ON A HUNDRED PERCENT OF LAND AND IMPROVEMENT FOR A PERIOD OF 10 YEARS.
AND APPROVAL OF AN ESTIMATED 99,016 IN EXPENDITURES TO BE SPENT ON REHABILITATION PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF CERTIFICATE OF ELIGIBILITY STAFF RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL OF THE CERTIFICATE OF ELIGIBILITY AND APPROVAL OF THE ESTIMATED ESTIMATED 99,016 IN EXPENDITURES TO BE SPENT ON REHABILITATION PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE CERTIFICATE OF ELIGIBILITY WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS DEEMED CONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT PER SECTION 51 A DASH 11.201 B AND C.
AND THERE'S NO TASK FORCE ON THIS ONE.
SO WE DO HAVE ONE, ONE SPEAKER ERIC KINSKI.
YOU CAN STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND MAKE SURE THE LIGHT'S ON AND LET'S SEE IF WE CAN HEAR YOU.
I, YEAH, I, I WOULD JUST PRESENT JUST TO MAKE SURE I WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OKAY.
ALRIGHT, HANG ON, LET'S MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE'S ON AND THEN YOU NEED TO START BY GIVING US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS 'CAUSE THAT'S OUR RULE AND TELLING US THAT YOU SWEAR, AFFIRM OR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
I LIVE IN THREE 15 SOUTH ROSEMONT AND I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
SO YOU, UM, YOU SAID YOU WERE JUST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
YOU HAVE NOTHING YOU'D LIKE TO OPEN WITH? YEAH, I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S, UM, IT'S A STRUCTURE.
IT'S, IT WAS, I WASN'T QUITE, I JUST RECENTLY PURCHASED IT ABOUT LESS THAN A YEAR AGO.
UH, WASN'T QUITE C CERTAIN WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY USED FOR.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS A GARAGE, BUT IT'S IN A PRETTY ROUGH SHAPE RIGHT NOW AND MY INTEREST IS TO REHABILITATE IT.
UH, AND SO I WAS CURIOUS WHETHER, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR SOME OF THOSE TAX BENEFITS WITH THE REHABILITATION OF THAT STRUCTURE.
AND ALRIGHT, THAT'S THEN HANG ON AND WE WILL ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
I COMMISSIONER FOGLEMAN, ARE YOU JUST STRETCHING OR DID YOU WISH TO SPEAK? LOOKED LIKE YOU WERE WAIVING ME.
SO TODAY WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE REQUEST AS A PENDING OF FUTURE WORK.
SO WE'RE JUST GONNA LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT WE FEEL THAT THIS STRUCTURE IS ELIGIBLE FOR THE, UM, TAX INCENTIVE THAT IT'S, YEAH.
SO CONTRIBUTING, WE WANNA DETERMINE IF YOU BELIEVE IT IS EITHER CONTRIBUTING NOW OR IF THE WORK THAT IS GOING TO BE PROPOSED WILL DEEM IT CONTRIBUTING.
'CAUSE IT MUST BE CONTRIBUTING, UH, TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM.
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SO I DON'T KNOW, WE SAW THE GENERAL, UM, LIST OF WHAT HE PLANS ON DOING.HOWEVER, WITHOUT A CA KNOWING SPECIFICS, WE AS STAFF CAN'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ENTAILS.
HOW WILL THAT CHANGE THE STRUCTURE? WILL IT CHANGE THE EXTERIOR? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT TYPE OF SITUATION THAT, SO WE LEAVE THAT TO COMMISSION.
MAYBE YOU ASK HIM MAYBE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU PLAN UNDERNEATH? WILL THE REHAB CHANGE THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE? LIKE THE LURK OR THE MY, SO THE, THE STRUCTURE CURRENTLY MIRRORS THE STYLE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE.
SO MY INTENTION IS TO KEEP THAT CONSISTENT.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE PLAN IS MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S IN THE SAME PAINT COLORS, THE SAME STYLES ALL.
SO NOT CHANGING THE SHAPE OF CORRECT SHAPE FORM.
WITHIN THAT BACK, IS THIS THE ONE THAT HAS THE BACK? YEAH, IT HAS KIND OF A AS THE FRONT, THE FRONT.
OH YES, THE FRONT FOR THE ADD-ON.
SO ARE YOU, YOU ARE LEAVING EVERYTHING AS DID IT FROM A STYLISTIC PERSPECTIVE? YEAH.
AND THEN THERE'S THESE GARAGE DOORS AS WELL.
I, I PLAN TO, I BASICALLY BRING THOSE UP TO, YOU KNOW, A GOOD, SO IT'LL STILL LOOK LIKE, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT BECAUSE THEY'LL LOOK AT IT BASED ON HOW IT LOOKS, UM, NOT NECESSARILY THE PAINT COLOR, BUT THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE OF IT.
UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK WHAT ELSE IT COULD.
SO I, I, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IF, IF I GUESS WE APPROVE THIS TODAY AND THEN HE BRINGS BACK DRAWINGS OR IF MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT HE WANTS TO DO WITH IT, THEN IT HAS TO COME BACK TO US.
WELL, WE'LL SEE IT IN THE FORM OF A CAC.
ANY WORK THAT HE DOES HAVE TO COME BACK AS A CA BECAUSE YOU NEED THE CA TO INCLUDE IN STEP TWO ANYWAY.
SO YOU WILL SEE THIS AGAIN BASED ON, YOU KNOW, DID WHAT WHAT HE SUBMITTED NOW.
AND WHAT I'M PRESENTING IS JUST AN ESTIMATE, IT'S A PRELIMINARY GUESS OF WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO, BUT ONCE THEY NAIL EVERYTHING DOWN, IT WILL HAVE TO COME AS A FULL CA 'CAUSE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER CA EXTERIOR WORK, NOT INTERIOR WORK, INTERIOR WORK, WE WON'T SEE THAT PART OF IT.
I'LL SEE IT AS MY SIDE BECAUSE I'LL NEED TO KNOW, I MEAN,
SO I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION THEN, FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, YOU HAD THE SANBORN MAPS IN THE, UM, IN THE PACKET.
UM, I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE YEARS ON THOSE.
I, I HAVE ACTUALLY STRAIGHT FROM, I HAVE THE, THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS', UH, STANDPOINTS UP RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU WANNA SEE, 'CAUSE I KNOW THE ONE IN THE PACKET WAS A LITTLE, WE WEREN'T SURE WHAT YEAR.
THIS IS 1922 AND LET'S SEE, WHERE IS IT? THREE 15 HERE IS THE MM-HMM
THERE IS, THERE IS A, A STRUCTURE BACK THERE.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME SHAPE, BUT THERE IS ONE BACK THERE AND THEN HERE IS 1950.
IT BECAUSE THEY, THEY DID WEIRD THINGS WITH THE SAND BARNS BACK THERE.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S LIKE A WEIRD OFFSET THAT'S A PATCH WHERE YEAH, BUT IT'S, IT, IT APPEARS TO BE THE SAME BUILDING.
AND THAT, THAT ONE MATCHES THE ONE HE SUBMITTED.
SO IT WOULD, I I THINK THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT'S THERE NOW AND WITH WHAT YOU SEE IN THE DRAWING OR THE FRONT ADDITION THAT HAD IN FRONT, THAT'S WHAT IT APPEARS TO.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER SP IS THE, UM, UH, THIS, UH, PROGRAM FUNDAMENTALLY IMPORTANT FINANCIALLY TO YOU BEING ABLE TO SAVE THE PROPERTY AS OPPOSED TO JUST DEMOLISHING IT? THAT'S CORRECT.
WHO HAS JIM COMMISSIONER ANDERSON HAS? YEAH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
IS THERE A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE? UH, YES.
SEE ONE, UH, YOU MAY REMEMBER IT, IT WAS BEFORE YOU GUYS, I BELIEVE IN FEBRUARY.
UM, IT CAME AS, UH, INITIALLY A BIRTH CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION, UM, UNDER THE STANDARD IMMINENT THREAT.
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POP'S NOT POPULAR YET.SORRY, I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF LIKE A DELAY.
ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE IT, JIM? YES, I CAN.
UM, I I I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, SINCE WE APPARENTLY APPROVED IT FOR DEMOLITION BECAUSE IT WAS DANGEROUS, HAS IT BEEN SHORED UP NOW TO IT'S NOT A THREAT? YEAH, SO IT, I WOULD SAY SO I TRUTHFULLY, I FELT LIKE IT WAS A LITTLE TEETERING BETWEEN LIKE, OPINIONS OF THREAT AND WHATNOT.
SO, UM, JUST TO BE TOTALLY TRANSPARENT AND RELATED TO THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED ABOUT WHETHER THIS WAS THE TAX INCENTIVE WAS REALLY CRITICAL.
WAS I, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS WHEN I WAS FIRST LIKE LOOKING AT IT.
'CAUSE I WAS INITIALLY THINKING ABOUT JUST TEARING IT DOWN AND REBUILDING SOMETHING NEW THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SOME CONTRACTORS I SPOKE WITH SAID IT WOULD BE CHEAPER TO DO IT THAT WAY.
OH, THEY ALWAYS SAY THAT? YES.
UM, SO THEN WHEN I LEARNED ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHEN I MOVED FORWARD WITH, YOU KNOW, I FOUND ONE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER TO COME OUT AND WRITE THAT OPINION AND THE REALITY, I DIDN'T SHOP FOR THIS OR ANYTHING, THEY JUST, THEY JUST CAME OUT AND SAID, YEAH, I CAN, I CAN WRITE THAT.
AND SO NOW THAT I LEARNED ABOUT THE TAX, UH, INCENTIVE, THAT'S WHERE I KIND OF REDID THE MATH AND I REALIZED THIS COULD BE RESTORED BECAUSE THERE'S PICTURES IN THERE.
YOU COULD, THERE WAS A FIRE IN THERE, THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN LIKE I HAD A COUPLE CONTRACTORS WALK THROUGH THERE SAID THAT THE STRUCTURE WAS QUESTIONABLE.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I'M JUST TRYING TO BE TRANSPARENT.
I'M NOT, I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO KIND OF FIX IT UP, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
AND UM, IT CURRENTLY HAS PARKING SPACE FOR HOW MANY CARS AND I'M, I'M TRYING TO, WHAT USE WILL THE CURRENT BUILDING HANG, WHAT WAY WILL IT SERVE YOU WHEN YOU FIX UP? WILL IT STILL BE WHAT YOU WANTED BACK THERE? SO MY, BECAUSE I CURRENTLY OWN THE PROPERTY AND YOU KNOW, I LIVE IN IT AND RENT OUT THE OTHER THREE UNITS 'CAUSE IT'S A FOURPLEX.
UM, I, I GUESS THIS IS A GOOD THING.
I HAVE ONE OF THE SMALLEST UNITS IN THE, IN THE FOURPLEX.
SO I, I WANT TO USE IT FOR AS A HOME OFFICE, UH, JUST TO EXPAND THE USE OF IT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HAVE LIKE AUXILIARY USE, LIKE A NICER BATHROOM AND THINGS, YOU KNOW.
AND DO YOU SEE THAT CHANGING THE OUTSIDE LIKE DIFFERENT WINDOWS OR DOOR OPENINGS OR CAN YOU MAKE THAT WORK WITHIN THE CURRENT ENVELOPE? BECAUSE IF YOU'RE PRESERVING IT BECAUSE IT IS A HISTORIC BUILDING, THEN WE'D LIKE YOU TO NOT HAVE NEW OPENINGS IN IT IF YOU CAN AVOID THEM.
MY INTENTION IS TO KEEP IT EXACTLY THE SAME.
I THINK IT LOOKS SUPER COOL AND I WANT TO TRY TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
JUST SO THAT IT MIGHT, UH, COMFORT THE COMMISSION ALSO.
HE WILL NOT RECEIVE THE TAX EXEMPTION UNTIL ALL WORK IS DONE.
SO IF YOU'RE FEARFUL THAT YOU WON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AFTER, YOU KNOW, THE WORK IS DONE, ALL WORK HAS TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE WE CAN MOVE ON TO THAT.
I WAS MORE WORRIED ABOUT MAKING SURE HE UNDERSTOOD THAT WE'D BE LUCKY.
HE, HE KNOWS THAT NOT UNTIL WORK IS COMPLETE, THIS WILL LIMIT WHAT YOU CAN DO.
COMMISSIONER PEL, I
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR YOU, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER PEL PROCEED.
SO, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, UM, LIKE THE STRUCTURE'S BEEN ADDED AT LEAST A COUPLE OF TIMES.
UM, PARTICULARLY THE COVER OUT ON THE, THE FRONT.
UM, AND THEN THERE WAS A, A ROOM THAT WAS BUILT THERE TOO.
AND YOU COULD TELL THERE WAS TWO DIFFERENT ROOF SLOPES FROM THERE WAS THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, THEN THERE WAS LIKELY AN ADD-ON AND THEN THERE WAS LIKELY A SECOND ADD-ON, UH, TO CONTINUE THAT RIP ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
I WAS JUST WONDERING WHEN THE BUILDING IS RESTORED,
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UH, DID YOU ANTICIPATE LIKE KEEPING THE EXACT FOOTPRINT OR, AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY HAVEN'T INVESTIGATED ALL OF IT YET.UM, BECAUSE I, I GUESS FROM, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, SOME OF IT IS HISTORIC AND SOME OF IT IS NOT MM-HMM
SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S WHAT, WHERE DID YOU HAVE INTENTIONS ON WHERE TO DRAW THAT LINE? I WAS, I WAS JUST GOING TO DO EXACTLY KIND OF WHERE, HOW IT LOOKS RIGHT NOW.
SO LIKE WITH THIS CURRENT FOOTPRINT.
AND WERE THERE QUARTERS IN IT? I DID SEE, UH, LIKE A FOUR INCH DRAIN FOR A TOILET.
ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE WOULD LIVE IN THERE NOW.
UM, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS BEEN TOUCHED IN DECADES.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, IN THIS UTILITY SPACE THAT I WANNA REUSE IT FOR, LIKE I WANT TO, 'CAUSE THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIKE, I DON'T EVEN WANNA CALL IT A KITCHEN 'CAUSE IT'S IN JUST SUCH BAD SHAPE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE KITCHEN.
I WANT TRY TO REPURPOSE THAT FOR A LAUNDRY ROOM.
'CAUSE NONE OF THE, NONE OF THE UNITS HAVE LAUNDRY IN IT IN MY BUILDING.
SO THAT WAY WE GET SOME ADDITIONAL UTILITY OUT OF THE PROPERTY THAT WAY.
SO THAT'S WHAT, LIKE THERE IS STUFF THERE, BUT I WANT TO KIND OF USE IT NOT AS A KITCHEN IN A LIVING SPACE.
I, I DON'T, YEAH, I DON'T WANT, I I MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT AN A DU BY DEFINITION IS A KITCHEN, BATHROOM, BEDROOM.
I, I DO NOT PLAN ON PUTTING A KITCHEN IN, SO.
YEAH, I MEAN FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW OR FOR, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE HAVE, UH, JURISDICTION WOULD JUST BE ITS APPEARANCE AND WHAT IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT'S DOING ON THE OUTSIDE MM-HMM.
INSIDE YOU CAN, IT'LL, SOMEBODY ELSE WILL, WILL RULE ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN MAKE IT AN A DU OR NOT, NOT US.
UM, BUT YEAH, I WAS JUST WONDERING AGAIN WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT SORT OF STATE, UM, BOTH OF COMPLETION AND THEN YOU KNOW, WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, UH, FOR US.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE'LL GET UH, A SECOND CHANCE WHEN WE COME BACK FOR FOR C BUT, UH, THANK YOU.
UM, IN REGARDS TO DISCUSSION ITEM 1 3 15 SOUTH ROSEMONT AVENUE CE 2 4 5 0 1 0 CP, I MOVE TO APPROVE, UH, THE SHOULD BE OF ELIGIBILITY PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE ACCESSORY IS DEEMED CONTRIBUTING TO AT DISTRICT SECOND.
SECOND, OH UH, RACE FOR THAT ONE.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
AND YOU OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION OKAY, APPEARS IT IS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SO, UM, WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOU COMING BACK WITH YOUR, UM, PLANS FOR THE CHANGES TO THIS, TO THIS STRUCTURE AND, UM, WHICH WILL BE MINIMAL AT ALL IMPROVEMENTS, RIGHT.
OKAY, NOW DISCUSSION ITEM EIGHT.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1 0 8 NORTH CLIFF STREET LOT THREE IN THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE UH, CA NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 99.
UH, THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPRO.
WELL THERE ARE THREE REQUESTS.
ONE IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW REAR HORIZONTAL ADDITION TO THE MAIN BUILDING.
THE SECOND REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ROOF DECKING AND SHINGLES BRAND TEMP HERITAGE COLOR RUSTIC IS PICKERING.
THE THIRD REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXTERIOR SIDING WITH IN KIND MATERIALS.
STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW RARE HORIZONTAL ADDITION TO THE MAIN BUILDING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 3 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT PAIRED WINDOWS BE SEPARATED BY A MULIAN, NOT EXTERIOR SIDING WITH A MINIMUM WIDTH OF FOUR INCHES WIDE.
TWO, THAT ROOF RIDGE OF REAR ADDITION BE RAISED THE SAME HEIGHT OVER ENTIRETY OF ADDITION TO DISTINGUISH FROM EXISTING THREE.
THAT FOUNDATION OF ADDITION BE PEER AND BEAM TO MATCH THE EXISTING FOUNDATION IN HEIGHT AND FORM.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION
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CRITERIA SECTIONS B AND E UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
THE SECOND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ROOF DECKING AND SHINGLES BRAND TAMCO HERITAGE COLOR RUSTIC HICKORY BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 3 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT STRUCTURAL ENGINEER'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO INSTALL COLLAR BRACES AT ALL ROOF RAFTERS AND TO INSTALL RAFTER, PERLIN AND BRACES AT 48 INCHES BE FOLLOWED PRECISELY.
AND TWO, THAT ROOF HEIGHT PITCH AND PROFILE OF MAIN BUILDING NOT BE ALTERED.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA A AND B UNDER ROOFS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
THE THIRD STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXTERIOR SIDING WITH IN KIND MATERIALS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 3 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, ONE THAT ONLY CRACKED AND OR DETERIORATED BOARDS AND OR SIDING BE REPLACED.
TWO, THAT REPLACEMENT SIDING BE ALL WOOD, HORIZONTAL LAP SIDING MATCHING THE EXISTING AND DIMENSIONS PROFILE AND TEXTURE.
AND THREE, THAT REPLACEMENT OF SHEATHING AND STRUCTURAL FRAMING ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS REQUEST.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION.
SECTION F PERTAINING TO FACADES THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION ITEM ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW REAR HORIZONTAL ADDITION TO THE MAIN BUILDING BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND COMMENTS.
A, ADD WINDOWS TO THE NEW ADDITION.
B, CONSIDER AN ALTERNATE DESIGN ONE AND A HALF STORY SIMILAR TO TWO 12 NORTH CLIFF STREET C.
SELECT PAINT COLORS FROM HIS HISTORIC PAINT PALETTE COLLECTION EEG SHERWIN WILLIAMS ARTS CRAFTS COLLECTION ITEM TWO THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ROOF DECKING AND SHINGLES.
BRAND TAN COAT, HERITAGE COLOR RUSTIC HIT HICKORY, BE APPROVED WITH FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
COMMENTS OBTAINED THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER'S REPORT.
ITEM THREE, THAT REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE, APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXTERIOR SIDING WITH IN KIND MATERIAL BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
AND BEFORE MR. MCGEE COMES UP, HE DID SUBMIT DURING THE BREAK UPDATED PLANS FOR LOT THREE SHOWING THAT THE RIGHT SIDE IS NOW ON THE SAME PLANE AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY.
SO IT'S NO LONGER THAT BUMP OUT OR PROJECTION SO IT NO LONGER STICKS OUT AND TOUCHES THE, THE OTHER BUILDING.
WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU ALL MORNING,
WE WELCOME YOU HERE IN PERSON.
UH, START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
UH, OKAY SIR, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? SO IT'S MORE OF THE, I KIND OF HEARD FIRST TODAY EARLIER, THE MIC'S NOT ON, IS THE MICROPHONE LIT UP? AND YOU MAY NEED TO BE KIND OF CLOSE TO IT SO THOSE AT HOME CAN HEAR.
WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE HERE ELECTRONICALLY TODAY.
SO, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS, UM, IT'S CURRENTLY A, A TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATH, CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES FOR THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT.
OUR PROPOSAL IS TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL BEDROOM, MAKING IT THREE BEDROOM,
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UH, TWO BATH AS FAR AS THE RESIDENCE.AND PRETTY MUCH KEEPING EVERYTHING AS FAR AS THE HISTORIC NATURE, UH, OF THE BUILDING.
AND WE ACTUALLY OWN THE, AS AS Y'ALL KNOW NOW, THE 1 0 2 NORTH OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
AND WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS LIKE THIS.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ONE? COMMISSIONER RENE? HE FIXED IT ALL.
WELL, NO, I MEAN THIS, UM, AND, AND IN FACT IT WAS EXACTLY WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON HAD PROPOSED WAS THAT THE EXTENSION TO THE BACK, UH, NOT BE ANY WIDER THAN, THAN THE HOME ITSELF.
I KNOW YOU'LL, YOU MIGHT HAVE AN, I MEAN YOU WON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH US, BUT FOR THE PROJECTION THAT'S ON THE, UM, THE, I GUESS RIGHT HAND OR LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE DRAWING, UH, BECAUSE IT'S OVER THE LOT LINE YOU MIGHT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH, WITH PERMITTING ON THAT ONE.
BUT, UM, BUT AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, I THINK YOU, YOU ADDRESSED THE, THE ISSUE.
SO NOW THE ROOF'S, OVERHANGS AND, UM, WILL, WILL BE IN THEIR CURRENT CONDITION OF, OF HOW IT IS ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
SO I I THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT ADJUSTMENT.
AND AS FAR AS THE LOT LINE, THE CURRENT STRUCTURE IS 1.3 FEET OVER, UM, TO THE VACANT LOT.
WE ARE TRYING TO PURCHASE THAT LOT.
UH, BUT THE I, AS FAR AS THE SOLUTION JUST REPL IT AND MAKE THAT LOT A COUPLE FEET SMALLER, SO YEAH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
IT APPEARS THAT THE EXISTING HOUSE AND THE ADDITION IS ON VERY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING REPLANT AND GIVE MORE LAND ON THE SIDE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
WE'VE ALSO TALKED TO THE SURVEY COMPANIES FOR CHALLENGING, UM, THEIR MARK PER SE.
SO THEY'RE CURRENTLY RESEARCHING IT.
OF COURSE IT'S AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M NOT SURE HOW IT GOT LIKE THAT, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK TO, TO FIX IT.
BUT IT WILL BE AN ISSUE IN PERMITTED AWARE AND TYPICALLY THE EXISTING STRUCTURES GRANDFATHERED IN.
BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE FULL SETBACK FOR THE ADDITIONS AS LONG, AS LONG AS YOU REALIZE THAT COULD BE A CONCERN UNLESS YOU DO SOMETHING WITH THE SPOTLIGHT.
AND IF WE, WE DID APPROVE THIS DESIGN TODAY AND THEN LATER THEY TELL YOU THE ADDITION HAS TO MOVE, YOU'LL HAVE TO COME BACK AND OR AT LEAST GO THROUGH STAFF.
PROBABLY IT WON'T BE AS BIG A CHANGE, BUT, UM, WHAT, WHAT IS THE CURRENT SETBACK? YOU SAYS A FOOT AND A HALF WITH OUR EXISTING AS FOR, AS IT BEING OVER, AS FOR AS IT BEING OVER IN A PROPERTY LINE, ONE FOOT THREE INCHES.
OH, SO IT'S OVER THE, IT'S OVER THE PROPERTY BY FOOT AND A HALF ACCORDING TO THE SURVEY THAT WE RECEIVED.
AND WHAT IS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT? IS IT FIVE FEET IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? ZERO? NO, IT'S WITHIN 5% OF THE EXISTING HOUSES ON THAT BLOCK, BUT ALL OF 'EM ARE CLOSE TOGETHER.
SO KIND OF I OWN GRID OF FOUR.
SO AS LONG AS YOU REALIZE THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT PRO BUT THE ADJOINING PROPERTY AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE PURCHASE IT AND THEN CHANGE AND GET IT REPLANTED.
UM, SO IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS I HAVE A MOTION.
UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, UH, 1 0 8 NORTH CLIFFS STREET LOT THREE, UH, ALSO KNOWN AS COA 25 99 THAT WE APPROVE AS RECOMMENDED BY UM, BY STAFF ITEMS NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS COMMISSIONER ANDERSON WHO SECONDED.
WHO WAS IT? COMMISSIONER TAYLOR TAYLOR.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR IS OUR SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THE MOTION APPEARS TO OCCUR UNANIMOUSLY CONGRATULATIONS.
BUT DON'T GO ANYWHERE 'CAUSE YOU'RE NEXT UP AGAIN
RUNDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1 0 8 NORTH CLIFF STREET LOT FOUR.
IT'S IN THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT CASE NUMBER C ZERO A DASH 25 100.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A
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NEW REAR HORIZONTAL ADDITION TO THE MAIN BUILDING.THE SECOND ONE IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ROOF DECKING AND SHINGLES BRAND TAMCO HERITAGE COLOR RUSTIC IS HICKORY.
THE THIRD REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXTERIOR SIDING WITH IN KIND MATERIALS.
STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS, ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW RARE HORIZONTAL ADDITION TO THE MAIN BUILDING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 3 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT PAIRED WINDOWS BE SEPARATED BY A MILLION, NOT EXTERIOR SIDING WITH A MINIMUM WIDTH OF FOUR INCHES WIDE.
TWO, THAT MAIN ROOF RIDGE OF REAR ADDITION BE RAISED A MINIMUM OF SIX INCHES TO DISTINGUISH IT FROM THE EXISTING THREE.
THAT FOUNDATION OF ADDITION BE PEER M BEAM TO MATCH THE EXISTING FOUNDATION IN HEIGHT AND FORM.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTIONS B AND E UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
THE SECOND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ROOF DECKING AND SHINGLES BRAND TEMP HERITAGE COLOR RUSTIC HICKORY BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 3 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT STRUCTURAL ENGINEER'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO INSTALL COLLAR BRACES AT ALL ROOF RAFTERS AND TO INSTALL RAFTER PEARLING, PEARLING AND BRACES AT 48 INCHES BE FOLLOWED PRECISELY AND THAT ROOF HEIGHT PITCH AND PROFILE OF MAIN BUILDING NOT BE ALTERED IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA A AND B UNDER ROOFS THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
THE THIRD RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXTERIOR SIDING WITH ANY KIND MATERIALS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 3 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT ONLY CRACKED AND OR DETERIORATED BOARDS AND SIDING BE REPLACED.
TWO, THAT REPLACEMENT SIDING BE ALL WOOD HORIZONTAL LEFT SIDING MATCHING THE EXISTING IN DIMENSIONS PROFILE AND TEXTURE.
AND THREE, THAT REPLACEMENT OF SHEATHING AND STRUCTURAL FRAMING ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS REQUEST.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION.
SECTION F PERTAINING TO FACADES THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION ITEM ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW REAR HORIZONTAL ADDITION TO THE MAIN BUILDING BE APPROVED WITH FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND COMMENTS.
A CONSIDER AN ALTERNATE DESIGN ONE AND A HALF STORIES SIMILAR TO TWO 12 NORTH CLIFF STREET B IF A DIFFERENT MODEL EXAMPLE SELECTED INCLUDE PHOTOS OF THAT BUILDING.
ITEM TWO THAT THE REQUEST FOR PARTICULAR APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ROOF DECKING AND SHINGLES BRANDCO HERITAGE OWNER RUST PICK BE APPROVED WITH FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND COMMENTS.
A, OBTAIN A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER'S REPORT B AT ROOF LINE.
SHOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OLD AND NEW AND ITEM THREE THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXTERIOR SIDING WITH IN KIND MATERIALS BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
ALRIGHT, MR. MCGEE, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT THIS PROJECT? DID HE SAY MY NAME? NOT THE OVER.
NO, WE STILL KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND YOU STILL PROMISE TO TELL US.
SO WE TRUST YOU NOW UNLESS THE ATTORNEY'S GIVING US A LOOK, BUT I THINK WE TRUST YOU NOW.
I MEAN EXISTING 600 UH, SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATH, CONVERTING IT TO A THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH WITH
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THE REAR EXTENSION.UH, I WILL SAY AS FAR AS IND INTIMIDATING, THE 3000 SQUARE FOOT RULE LAST YEAR MAKES IT POSSIBLE FOR STUFF LIKE THIS TO GO ON WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
SO YES, OUR FAVORITE VICTORY, THAT WAS
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVEN'T SAID AT THIS MEETING? EVEN IF YOU SAID THEM EARLIER, I DID HAVE ONE SUGGESTION ON THE BACK, UH, PORCH, UM, OR THE BACK STOOP RATHER, UH, WAS TO JUST THINK ABOUT HOW WATER'S GONNA BE COMING OFF OF THAT LOWER ROOF.
YOU CAN TREAT IT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS, EITHER ADDING A GUTTER OR JUST A DIVERTER TO THROW WATER A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY FROM THAT CORNER.
UM, 'CAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S GONNA COME STRAIGHT DOWN, GET THE WOODEN PORCH AND DETERIORATE PRETTY QUICKLY.
UH, ALSO IT'LL BE COMING DOWN RIGHT WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO WALK OUT FROM THE BACK DOOR, BUT I KNOW YOU KNOW ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO YES,
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT FRENCH DRAIN.
GO AHEAD SEE A DISCUSSION ITEM, NOT DISCUSSION.
ITEM NUMBER NINE, UM, 1 0 8 NORTH CLIFF STREET LOT FOUR, UH, ALSO KNOWN AS COA DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 100.
UM, I UM, SUGGEST THAT WE MAKE OR FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF ALL THREE ITEMS, UH, FOLLOWING THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AS STATED.
ALRIGHT, GIMME A SECOND, SECOND.
COMMISSIONER HARPER AS I SECOND, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENT, GO AHEAD AND HAVE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THAT IS ALSO CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SO NOW SIR, YOU HAVE TWO HOUSES TO BUILD.
HOW LONG WILL THAT TAKE YOU? UM,
YEAH, MAKE SURE YOU THROW THAT IN 'CAUSE THAT COULD REALLY TRIPLE THE TIME PERIOD.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR WILLING TO INVEST IN 10TH STREET.
OKAY, CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 4 51 0 7 JUNIOR STREET, MUNGER PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 25 92.
REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL GUTTERS IN A, IN THE COLOR BRONZE ON MAIN STRUCTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL GUTTERS IN THE COLOR BRONZE ON MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED WITH CONDITION THAT THE GUTTER COLOR BE PAINTED OR COLORED TO MATCH A PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE TO WHICH THEY ARE ATTACHED RATHER THAN BRONZE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 97.1 11 C ONE I FOUR IS THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G 60 C ROMAN I, IS IT CLOSE ENOUGH FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS OF REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL GUTTERS IN THE COLOR BRONZE ON MAIN STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE ORDINANCE CLEARLY REQUIRES GUTTERS AND DOWNSPOUTS TO BE COLORED TO MATCH THE PORTIONS OF THE STRUCTURE TO WHICH THEY ARE ATTACHED.
HOWEVER MANY TASK MEMBERS LIKE BRONZE COLOR OF THE GUTTERS AND WOULD APPROVE IF DOWNSPOUT PLACEMENT IS NOT SIVE AND THE ORDINANCE ALLOWED.
AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER, MICHELLE ROBERSON THERE.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF 51 0 7 AND I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
WELL, OUR REQUEST IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT TWO-PRONGED.
UM, OUR, OUR IDEAL SCENARIO WOULD BE TO OBTAIN APPROVAL TO INSTALL THE, UH, NEW GUTTERS IN THE BRONZE COLOR THAT THE HOMEOWNER HAS SELECTED.
UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS, UM, AGAINST THE ORDINANCE, BUT THAT IS WHAT THE HOMEOWNER WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST.
SO THAT WOULD BE OUR, OUR OUR FIRST ASK.
AND THEN IT DIDN'T QUITE MAKE IT ON HERE, UM, INTO THE REQUEST SECTION, BUT WE ADDED, WE MODIFIED OUR APPLICATION AND, UM, ASKED IF WE WERE NOT GONNA OBTAIN APPROVAL FOR THAT BRONZE COLOR.
THEN WE WOULD LIKE TO PAINT, UM, THE, ALL THE TRIM COMPONENTS, THE CACIA, THE SOFFIT, THE FREEZE, AND THE CORNER BOARDS SO THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO INSTALL YELLOW GUTTERS.
UH, CURRENTLY THOSE ITEMS ARE ALL YELLOW AND SO IF THE BRONZE GUTTERS AREN'T APPROVED, WE WOULD LIKE TO PAINT THOSE TO
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MATCH THE OTHER TRIM ON THE HOUSE, THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS AND THE FRONT PORCH RAILINGS.WE WOULD LIKE TO PAINT THE, TO MATCH SO THAT WE ARE NOT INSTALLING YELLOW BUTTERS.
OH, THAT, THAT PART WASN'T LEFT OFF.
IT'S BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE DONE AS A ROUTINE.
THAT'S JUST SO, SO IF THE BRONZE DON'T, WE'LL BE THAT.
BUT THERE'S A BACKUP PLAN
'CAUSE WE, WE WERE NOT SURE ABOUT THAT ON THAT SPORT.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS COMMISSIONER HARPER? OH NO, YOU'RE JUST LEANING FORWARD FOR NO REASON.
COMMISSIONER RENE, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
SO, UM, BECAUSE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THE THE WAY THAT THE ORDINANCES WRITTEN IS THAT IT SHOULD MATCH THE DOWNSPOUT AND THE GUTTER SHOULD MATCH WHATEVER MATERIAL IT'S BEING APPLIED TO.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE DOWNSPOUTS THEN WILL BE APPLIED TO WHERE THE TRIM IS RATHER THAN THE BODY OF THE BUILDING? UM, YES, THAT'S CORRECT BECAUSE THE DOWNSPOUT PLAN WOULD HAVE ALL OF THE DOWNSPOUTS GOING DOWN THE, THE TO AND BOARDS ON THE, UH, AND EVERYTHING WOULD BE, WE AGREE, WE DON'T WANT ANY, WE DON'T WANNA SEE ANYTHING INTERRUPTING THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING.
SO ALL OF THE DOWNSPOUTS, REGARDLESS OF THE COLOR, WILL BE BEHIND THE FRONT PORCH, KIND OF ON THE EDGE THERE ON THAT OUTER EDGE WHERE THERE'S CURRENTLY SOME EXISTING, BUT THEN ON THE CORNER BOARDS AS WE KIND OF WRAP AROUND THE HOUSE.
AND THAT TRIM COLOR IS A, IT'S HARD TO TELL IN THE PICTURE IS A CREAM SORT OF, OR WE WOULD, OUR PLAN WOULD BE TO PULL DOWN A SAMPLE AND TAKE IT AND TO BE EXACT COLOR MATCHED AT SHERWIN WILLIAMS. UM, BUT FOR PURPOSES OF DISCUSSION, I WENT AND LOOKED AT IT AND THE CLOSEST COLOR APPEARS TO BE, UM, SNOWBOUND BY SHERWIN WILLIAMS. LIKE WHEN I HOLD UP THE SHERWIN WILLIAMS SWATCHES NEXT TO WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE, IT LOOKS CLOSE.
IT'S NO SIMILAR TO THAT SNOWBOUND COLOR, WHICH IS WHITEISH I IMAGINE.
SO IT IT'S A PRETTY WHITE, YEAH, IT'S FAIRLY WHITE.
CREAMY WHITE, BUT IT'S FAIRLY WHITE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION.
APPARENTLY YOU HAVE ALL THE MOTIONS.
THIS IS, CONGRATULATIONS THIS YOU'RE SO HARD MARKET.
THIS IS SOMEBODY ELSE COULD DO THIS.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UM, 5 1 0 7 JUNIOR STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS COA DASH TWO FIVE DASH 0 0 0 0 9 2 THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND IT'S UM, AND THEIR CONDITIONS.
APPROVE THEIR RECOMMENDATION AND CONDITIONS AS STATED.
AND THE CONDITION WOULD BE THAT IT MATCHED THE TRIM BEHIND WHICH THEN WE CAN APPROVE YOUR DI COLOR.
I JUST WANNA SEE IF YOU DO WANT TO, TO AMEND THAT.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, THE CONDITION WAS THAT THE GUTTER COLOR? I LIKE THAT SAY GUTTER HAND BOUNCE.
IS THAT JUST A QUESTION OF WORDING OR NO.
TO ADD THE WORD, UH, UH, DOWNSPOUT TO THE MOTION.
AND NOW COMMISSIONER HARPER WILL SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL WE CAN CALL RE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES.
THAT IS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY, MA'AM.
SO PLEASE WORK WITH STAFF TO COORDINATE WHAT YOU NEED TO PAINT YOUR TRIM AND GET YOUR GUTTERS AND, AND IT WILL STOP RAINING AS SOON AS THEY'RE INSTALLED.
BUT, ALRIGHT, WE'LL PROBABLY WE'LL BE READY FOR NEXT SEASON.
OKAY, NOW WE HAVE DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 10.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING DISCUSSION ITEM D 10 ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 3 1 2 OR THREE 12 LEAD STREET IN THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 DASH 48.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE A MATURE PECAN TREE DAMAGING MAIN BUILDING STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE A MATURE PECAN TREE DAMAGING MAIN BUILDING BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE MAIN BUILDING IS LEANING ON THE TREE AND WITHOUT PROPER BRACING AND PLANNING IS IN DANGER OF COLLAPSE.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION, SECTION H
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UNDER SITE AND SITE ELEMENTS, THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE MATURE PER RY DAMAGE TO MAIN BUILDING BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, SORRY, DAMAGING MAIN BUILDING BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.MAIN BUILDING IS ON PIER AND BEING FOUNDATION AND SHOULD BE STABILIZED AND MOVE FIVE INCHES TO THE LEFT TO AVOID THE TRUTH.
ALRIGHT, AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER, JUSTIN FAUSER.
UH, COULD YOU PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME PRONOUNCED CORRECTLY IN CASE I DIDN'T AND YOUR ADDRESS AND YOUR PROMISE OR SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH? YEAH, IT'S, UH, JUSTIN BOCHE.
UM, AND I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
AND WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT YOUR, UM, YOUR PROJECT OR RATHER YOUR DILEMMA WITH THE TREE
AND I THINK THAT, UM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, DR. DUNN, BUT, UM, I BELIEVE YOU EMAILED ME AND SAID THAT THOSE THINGS AT YOUR LEVEL COULD, RATHER THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING YEAH.
AND YOU ALREADY HAVE AN ACTIVE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS ACTUALLY SUBMITTED BY MS. PEGGY FOR MOST OF THE STUFF THAT YOU ALREADY ASKED FOR.
UM, I'LL BE HONEST AGAIN, UH, WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT ME TO DO WITH THIS TREE, I'LL DO.
THE TREE IS VERY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY.
I'VE HAD A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER COME OUT, UM, MY EXPERTISE AND A COUPLE OF OTHER, UH, CONTRACTORS THAT I'VE HAD COME OUT, UH, THE CONTRACTORS THAT THEY'LL BE DOING TO DO WITH SOCIETY, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, UM, IN ALL OF OUR OPINION IT MAKES MOST SENSE TO GET RID OF THIS TREE.
TO GET RID OF THE TREE, RIGHT.
UM, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT I WAS TOLD TO MOVE THE HOME BY FIVE INCHES, I STARTED TO LOOK INTO IT.
I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS RECOMMEND TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT IT NOT FEASIBLE.
MONETARILY IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
I MEAN, IN THE CASE OF THIS HOME, UH, ALREADY, THE PARKING STRUCTURE THAT'S RIGHT THERE IS OVER THE LINE.
I, I CAN'T WITH THE HOUSE BY FIVE INCHES, YOU KNOW, UM, I WAS TOLD BECAUSE OF THE, UM, I DIDN'T REALLY SEE IT IN THIS PICTURE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE, UH, CEMENT PORCH BEING HOLLOWED, THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE TO BREAK IT UP AND MOVE THE HOUSE.
BUT AGAIN, THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE TO ME.
UM, LIKE I SAID, I'M HERE TO DO WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT.
UM, CAN I ASK, 'CAUSE I CANNOT TOUCH ON THE PICTURE WHERE THE TREE MEETS THE HOUSE.
THAT PICTURE, IS IT ACTUALLY TOUCHING THE VERTICAL WALL OF THE HOUSE OR JUST THE EAVE OVERHANG? UH, IT'S, IT'S JUST THE TREE.
UH, SO IT'S JUST THE EAVE OVERHANG THAT IT IS CURRENTLY IMPACTING? CORRECT.
THE PICTURE MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT.
THE HOME WHERE IT ACTUALLY TOUCHES THE TREE, UM, IS ALMOST A FOOT AND A HALF OFF OF THE FOUNDATION.
THE TREE ROOTS ARE ACTUALLY WHAT'S CAUSED THE HOME TO FALL OVER.
AND THEN, I MEAN, THIS HAS BEEN LIKE THIS FOR AT LEAST 10 YEARS.
I WENT ON, UH, GOOGLE AND LOOKED BACK AND, OR THIS WENT BACK TO 2012.
SO THIS HAS BEEN LIKE THIS FOR A REALLY LONG TIME.
UM, BUT IT'S THE ROOT SYSTEM THAT'S THE ISSUE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'D WANT TO GET RID OF THE WHOLE TREE.
UM, NOW AND HERE IT SAYS THAT THE, IT'S LEANING ON YEAH.
NOW THAT IT'S A FOOT AND A HALF OFF FROM THE ROOF, YES, IT'S LEANING ON THE TREE, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE ISSUE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CAUSING OUR PROBLEM.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE A QUESTION.
INITIALLY I MISUNDERSTOOD OR I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND MOVING THE HOUSE FIVE INCHES AND WHAT THAT MEANT.
BUT IN OUR BRIEFING THIS MORNING, I UNDERSTAND BETTER.
IT APPEARS THAT THE ENTIRE HOUSE IS IN, UM, A, A BIG LEAN.
THAT THE FOUNDATION IS IN BAD SHAPE AND THAT THE WHOLE STRUCTURE IS LEANING.
SO HAPPENED IS THE TREE AND THE HOUSE HAVE SORT OF COME TOGETHER AND THE TREE MAY BE ACTING AS A BRACE FOR THE HOUSE.
WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN OUR BRIEFING THIS MORNING WAS IF THE STRUCTURE COULD BE STRAIGHTENED AND BY STRAIGHTENING THE STRUCTURE, IT WOULD MOVE IT FIVE INCHES OR SO FROM THE TREE.
BECAUSE I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE HOUSE IS LEANING IN THAT DIRECTION.
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CONCERN THAT IF THE TREE IS REMOVED, THE TREE MAY BE HOLDING THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE UP.SO IT'S, IT'S A BIGGER JUST A TREE AND A HOUSE AND MOVING THE TREE OUT OF THE WAY BECAUSE IT'S INTERRUPTING THE HOUSE.
BUT DO YOU KNOW IF THE HOUSE CAN BE STRAIGHTENED UP SO THAT IT WILL NOT BE LEANING AND MAYBE THE TREE DOESN'T NEED TO BE REMOVED? IF THE HOUSE IS STRAIGHTENED UP, THAT'S WHERE THE FIVE INCHES MOVING THE HOUSE FIVE INCHES COMES FROM.
SO MY THING IS ALWAYS GONNA BE THIS, I OWN THIS PROPERTY, RIGHT.
BUT I'LL BE FIXING IT UP AND SELLING THIS PROPERTY.
UH, MY CONCERN IS ALWAYS FOR THE NEXT HOMEOWNER.
IT IS BRACING THE HOME, AT LEAST FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS.
UM, IN FIXING THE FOUNDATION, WE WOULD THEN REPLACE THE TREE WITH ACTUAL BRACES, FIX THE FOUNDATION, PICK THE REST OF THE HOUSE UP WHILE WE'RE FIXING THE FOUND.
SO IN, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, IS THE HOUSE GONNA FALL OVER IF WE REMOVE THE TREE? THE ANSWER'S NO.
UM, WITH YOU ASKING, CAN WE DO THIS WITHOUT REMOVING THE TREE? YES.
UM, AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS FOR THE NEXT PERSON WHO OWNS THIS HOME, RIGHT.
THAT IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH WHAT'S CAUSING THE ACTUAL ISSUES WITH THE FOUNDATION, RIGHT.
ALL I'M DOING IS SLAPPING A BANDAID ON IT, WHICH PERFECTLY FINE TO DO, YOU KNOW, SAD TO SAY.
I MEAN, IT'S GONNA SAVE ME $7,000, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S NOT LIKE I, YOU KNOW, NEED TO REMOVE THIS TREE.
BUT IT'S GONNA BE FOR THE NEXT PERSON.
SO THAT WAY WHEN I HAND THEM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WARRANTY MY FOUNDATIONAL COMPANY WILL GIVE ME AFTER I TELL THEM I CAN'T REMOVE THIS TREE.
THAT THEY'RE NOT CALLING A FOUNDATION COMPANY IN FIVE YEARS FOR THE SAME ISSUE.
I DO UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE TYPICALLY WHEN A TREE IS AS CLOSE TO A HOUSE, IT'S THE, THEY COME OUT SAVE THE HOUSE.
BUT WHEN I REALIZED THIS HOUSE IS LEANING AND THAT ALTHOUGH THE TREE IS CLOSE, THE WHERE THEY CONNECT TOGETHER IS, I THINK A, A PRODUCT OF THE LEANING HOUSE.
AND I JUST WONDERED IF WE CAN'T FIX THE HOUSE AND SAVE THE TREE RIGHT.
SOMEBODY IN A COUPLE YEARS, WE WILL COME AND ASK FOR MOVE TREE AGAIN.
THAT, THAT'S ALL I WAS TRYING TO PREEMPTIVELY, YOU KNOW,
BUT NO, I DO, I DO UNDERSTAND.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO I WANNA CLARIFY YOU WITH OR WITHOUT THE TREE THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO STRAIGHTEN UP THE HOUSE WITH OR WITHOUT THE TREE THERE? I WILL STRAIGHTEN THE HOUSE.
WHICH IS THE MAIN THING THAT THE HOUSE NEEDS, RIGHT? HAVE YOU, YOU SAID THAT THE ROOTS OF THE T ARE WHAT'S CAUSING THE ISSUE.
I HAVE A, A PEER IN BEAM HOUSE TOO.
AND OF COURSE THE PIERS ARE HERE OR THERE, THERE, THERE.
SO IT'S KIND OF HARD FOR ANYTHING TO HIT MORE THAN ONE OF THEM.
UM, HAVE YOU TRACED THE ROOTS AND SEE WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO YOUR FOUNDATION? YOU KNOW IT FOR SURE.
SO TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, UM, I'M A PRETTY BIG GUY.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET TO THAT POINT, UH, WHERE IT IS.
UM, HONESTLY, EVEN MY FOUNDATION COMPANY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REMOVE, THERE'S ABOUT SEVEN LAYERS OF SHINGLES, RIGHT? SO ABOUT DOING THE MATH 22,000 POUNDS ON TOP OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT? AND SO THAT MIGHT HELP THERE A LOT OF THINGS WE HAVE TO DO TO GET UNDER IT.
JUST THE, THIS, THIS WAS THE FIRST STEP.
OKAY? JUST WITH A PARENT BEING YOU ARE ALWAYS HAVE ANOTHER LITTLE PIER THAT IS FALLEN OVER OR HEATED UP OR SUNK OR SOMETHING.
THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING YOU ISSUE WITH THE TREE THIS BIG.
UM, IT'S SOIL DEGRADATE OR DEGRADATION.
IT'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS, RIGHT? THAT AREN'T JUST THE ROOT OF THE TREE.
RIGHT? UM, LIKE I SAID, I'M GONNA TRY MY BEST, WHETHER REMOVE IS TREE OR NOT, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEXT PERSON DOESN'T HAVE THIS ISSUE.
UM, SO YEAH, IT'S A HARD CALL, BUT ONE THING A TREE DOES IS IT PROVIDES NICE SHADE AND SHAPE.
SAVE YOU MONEY IN THE SUMMER FOR THE AIR CONDITIONING.
THIS IS THE FIRST TREE THAT I'VE I'VE EVER REMOVED, RIGHT? MY LAST PROPERTY, HALF AN ACRE BEFORE THAT, HALF AN ACRE, BEFORE THAT HALF AN ACRE.
SO YOU LOVE THOSE TREES AND YOU HATE THIS ONE.
BUT AGAIN, WHEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, MS. PEGGY HAD TOLD ME THAT HER FATHER PLANTED IT.
YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, IT'S A STORY THAT I WOULD LOVE TO, TO TELL MY KIDS, RIGHT? UM, BUT I CAN'T IGNORE THAT HER FATHER PLANTED, IF ONLY HE PLANNED A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
I HAD, UH, A, UH, ARBORIST COME OUT AND HE HAD TOLD ME, I MEAN, IF SHE HAD PUT IT OR IF HE HAD PUT IT ONE MORE FOOT TO THE RIGHT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD ANY PROBLEMS TO BEGIN WITH, YOU KNOW? SO IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT ANYONE'S FAULT, BUT AGAIN, 80 YEARS AGO OR HOWEVER LONG SHE SAID SOMEONE PLANTED THIS
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TREE IN THE WRONG PLACE AND YOU KNOW, NOW EVERYBODY ELSE WHO OWNS THIS HOME WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH.WE SEE A LOT OF STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, MADAM CHAIR.
MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONER REEVES.
I CAN'T TELL FROM THE PICTURES WHETHER THAT'S A TREE LIMB OR THE TREE TRUNK.
UH, I PROBABLY WILL BE VOTING TO TEAR, TO CUT THE TREE DOWN.
WELL, WE NEED A MOTION BEFORE ANYBODY CAN VOTE EITHER WAY OR ANOTHER.
ALL RIGHT, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.
I'LL LOOK IN THE MATTER OF DISCUSSION.
ITEM NUMBER TEN THREE TWELVE LEEDS STREET, COA DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 0 4 8.
I MOVE TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE REQUEST TO REMOVE THE TREE OR THE, UH, REASON STATED BY THE STAFF.
THANK YOU FOR THE SECOND COMMISSIONER HARPER.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I, I GUESS WE VOTE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
NO, I DIDN'T CALL FOR THAT YET.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF, NO, I MEAN, ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY NO, NO, NO, NO.
WE'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL JUST TO VERIFY, BUT I THINK THE TREE LOST.
UM, DISTRICT TWO MONTGOMERY? YES.
DISTRICT FIVE COMMISSIONER OPT? YES.
DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER FELL.
UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? NO.
I DIDN'T HEAR BECAUSE YOU SAID HARPER.
I, THIS IS COMMISSIONER GABE AND THAT'S A NO.
ALRIGHT, WHAT DO THE RULES SAY ABOUT A TIE? DEAR CITY ATTORNEY OF OURS? I KNOW THEY HAVE SOMETHING.
UH, MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH MY COMPUTER IS ACTUALLY FROZEN.
I'VE BEEN TEXTING TO GET A NEW IT.
COME DOWN HERE WITH A NEW COMPUTER.
IF YOU GIMME A SECOND, I CAN CONSULT.
THE HARD COPY OF MY, MY CODE, WHICH IS MARCUS IS DOING.
SO ACTUALLY I'LL JUST GO OVER WITH MARCUS HAS MARCUS SOMETHING HANDY AND LOCAL.
NOT THAT WE'VE EVER HAD A TIE BEFORE.
AND THIS QUESTION IS YES OR NO, SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE COME TO IMMEDIATE.
CAN I JUST SAY SOMETHING? I, I SHOULD HAVE SAID, WHO IS THAT? JIM? YEAH.
WHAT I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SAID SOMETHING EARLIER, BUT NO ONE LOVES TREES MORE THAN I DO HAVE A, A COUNTRY THAT'S GONNA GET BIGGER AND BIGGER AND BIGGER WHERE, WHERE THERE'S A TREE IN AN OLD HOUSE THAT THE, THE TREE'S GOT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT, THIS IS A BANDAID.
AS THE APPLICANT SAID, I'D LOVE TO KEEP THE TREE, BUT IT'S, IT'S DESTROY THE HOUSE GONNA GET BIGGER AND BIGGER.
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HE'S A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FOR THE COMMITTEE, AND I LOVE TREES.BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET A MAJORITY
SO DOES THAT MEAN WE NEED A NEW MOTION?
COMMISSIONER SP'S GONNA GIVE US A NEW MOTION.
I WONDER WHAT IT WILL BE IN REGARDS TO DISCUSSION ITEM TEN THREE TWELVE LEADED STREET COA 2 5 0 0 0 0 48.
I MOVE TO, UH, APPROVE THE, UH, REQUEST TO REMOVE THE MATURE RY, BUT DEFINING THE FACT THAT IT'S DAMAGING THE MAIN BUILDING.
UM, I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE PICKED IT.
WELL, I GUESS SO THEN IN TERMS OF ITS, IT SAYS DEMOTION REMOVAL.
SO I, UM, I MEAN, WOULD IT, WOULD IT BE, IT FALL UNDERNEATH FROM THE AND THAT'S IT? NO, THAT'S FOR STRUCTURES.
IT SAYS, WELL, THIS IS JUST DIDN'T LET OVER FALL.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THE SUGGESTION, I NOTICE WHICH ONE WOULD BE, I MEAN, I, I THINK YOU WOULD JUST SAY THAT THE PROPOSED CHANGE IS NOT HARMFUL TO THE, IT'S NOT STRUCTURE OR THE DISTRICT IS NOT ADVERSELY AFFECTED.
SO I'M ARGUING THAT NOT DOING THIS ADVERSELY AFFECTED THE MAIN BUILDING.
UM, AND THE FINDING FACT THAT IT IS NOT HARMFUL TO THE DISTRICT.
COMMISSIONER REEVES, DO YOU NOW SECOND? YES, PLEASE.
OUR SECOND IS FROM COMMISSIONER REEVES.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY NO.
DISTRICT SIX COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA.
DISTRICT 11TH COMMISSIONER GAY? YES.
UM, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES.
SO IT APPEARS THAT A MAJORITY HAVE SUPPORTED THE MOTION, THEREFORE THE, UM, THE, THE HOUSE WON OVER THE TREES.
SO GO AHEAD AND DO THE BEST YOU CAN, SIR.
I WISH YOU LUCK WITH THE HOUSE AND PERHAPS THE TREE CAN, UM, I KNOW MAYBE THE NEIGHBORHOOD COULD HAVE A BONFIRE.
PUT THE TREE AFTER YOU REMOVE IT.
DO NOT LET IT FALL ON THE HOUSE THOUGH.
WHEN IT IS BEING REMOVED, THAT WOULD BE BAD.
OKAY, NOW THAT WE'RE DONE WITH THAT EXCITING TREE ONE, LET'S MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 11.
A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.
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OKAY.RHONDA DUNN, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF SPEAKING ABOUT DISCUSSION ITEM D 11.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 33 13 MEADOW STREET IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 180 5.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 27 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT A FACIA OR FREEZE BOARD BE ADDED TO ALL ELEVATIONS INCLUDING ABOVE THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS, MINIMUM HEIGHT EIGHT INCHES, PREFERABLY CEDAR TWO, THAT A TWO PART FRONT, THAT TWO PART FRONT PORCH COLUMNS BE TAPERED AT THE TOPS, NOT THE BOTTOMS WITH BRICK BOTTOMS BEING A MINIMUM OF 16 BY 16 INCHES.
THAT TWO BOX COLUMNS BE USED TO SUPPORT THE RIGHT SIDE PORTICO AND THAT THE EXTERIOR SIDE DOOR BE CENTERED BETWEEN THE TWO BOX COLUMNS.
FOUR, THAT THE REAR WINDOW BE CENTERED IN THE REAR GABLE WALL.
FIVE, THAT ROOF RAFTER TAILS BE EXPRESSED AT ROOF OVERHANGS.
AND SIX, THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE OF BRUSH FINISHED.
CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.3 UNDER BUILDING SITE AND LANDSCAPING AND SECTIONS 9.3, 9.6 AND 9.7 UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE 6 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THAT TWO PART PORCH COLUMNS HAVE A BASE OF 16 INCHES ACROSS THE BOTTOM AND TAPERED TO NO LESS THAN EIGHT TO 10 INCHES AT THE TOP.
TWO, THAT THE TWO PART PORCH COLUMN SHOULD REST ON.
THAT MATERIAL SHEET BE CORRECTED TO MATCH DRAWINGS.
FOUR, THAT A WINDOW BE ADDED TO THE REAR ELEVATION AND SHOWER STALL.
FIVE THAT RAFTER TAIL BE EXPOSED.
THAT PORCH BE EXTENDED TO THE LEFT BY ONE FOOT SEVEN.
THAT DOOR HARDWARE BE CRAFTSMAN'S FILE AND EIGHT LITHO DITCH OF PORCH GABLE AND THE MAN GABLE MATCH SIX OVER 12.
WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER HERE WHOSE HANDWRITING REMINDS ME OF MINE.
SO I'LL LET YOU, SIR, READ YOUR OWN NAME AND GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS AND, UH, YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
I LIVE AT 58 0 7 RANGER DRIVE, INO, TEXAS.
ALRIGHT, SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? UH, WELL THIS OUR SECOND TIME HERE AND THIS IS MY FIRST TIME DOING A, UH, DESIGN.
WE'RE DOING IT, DOING A DESIGN FOR A PRESERVATION, UH, PRESERVATION DISTRICT, UH, WHICH IS, UH, WENT BACK AND CORRECT SOME OF THE, UH, SUGGESTIONS THAT WE'RE GIVEN LAST TIME.
AND NOW I YOU SEE THAT WE HAVE LESS NOW
AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY IS THAT THE, ON THE COMMENTS IT SAYS THAT, UH, THE, THE BACK WINDOW NEEDS TO BE CENTERED, BUT IT CANNOT BE CENTERED BECAUSE THE WINDOW IS ON THE, ON THE, UH, ON THE BEDROOM.
PARDON ME IF, IF WE CENTER HER WHAT ON THE, ON THE, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, ON THE POINTS NUMBER.
BUT WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU CENTER HER THE WINDOW? WHY IF IT CANNOT BE CENTER? IF, BECAUSE IT'S ON, IT'S FOR THE, UH, BEDROOM.
IT WAS CENTER, THE, IT'S, THERE'S A HALLWAY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
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ARE YOU FINISHED? OR YOU CAN GO AHEAD.OH, FINISHING, UH, ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ONE? I BELIEVE WE HAD A DISCUSSION OF SOMETHING ABOUT THE BRUNT OWNER AND I DO HAVE THE, UH, SUGGESTION FROM THE COMMISSIONER TOO.
ANYBODY AT HOME? OH, COMMISSIONER RENELL.
UM, ONE, I DID A REAL QUICK SKETCH OF THE PORCH TO MM-HMM
TO INDICATE WHAT I WAS SEEING AWAY THAT, UM, TO RECTIFY THE, THE INCONSISTENCIES.
UM, BUT THERE WAS ONE OTHER, OR A COUPLE OF OTHER ISSUES THAT HAD ON THE, THE LITTLE SIDE PORCH THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HOUSE ON THE OH, YES.
UM, ONE, I, I THINK THE COLUMN IS, IS REDUNDANT.
YOU KNOW, THE ONE THAT'S ON THE, THERE'S JUST A COLUMN ON ONE SIDE.
UH, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE CORNERS OF THE HOUSES, RIGHT.
I MEAN, THE CORNER, UM, UH, OUTSIDE CORNERS RIGHT THERE ON EITHER SIDE OF IT.
SO THE, THE COLUMN DOESN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS THE, THE SLOPE ON THAT LITTLE PORCH.
IT'S STEEPER THAN, THAN THE OTHER ROOFS.
UH, I THINK YOU HAD A SIX AND 12 OR EIGHT AND 12.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO, TO JUST MATCH THAT? SO, OKAY.
AND, UH, YOU, IT'S JUST A COLUMN BEING REMOVED.
UM, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE ON THE, ON THE REAR ELEVATION WE'RE TRYING TO CENTER.
'CAUSE YOU GOT THE, YOU'RE UP AGAINST THE CORNER OF WHERE THE STAIR COMES DOWN TOO, SO IT'S, IT'S ALREADY PUSHED AS FAR AS THEY CAN MOVE.
UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANOTHER SUGGESTION FOR THAT.
LET ME THINK ABOUT IT FOR A FEW MINUTES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF WE HAVE NO QUESTIONS, THEN SOMEONE HAS TO COME UP WITH A MOTION.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 11 33 13 MEADOW STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS COA DASH 25 DASH 0 0 1 8 5.
UM, THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO APPROVE, UM, INCLUDING THE, UM, CONDITIONS AS STATED WITH, UM, TWO ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT THE SIDE PORCH, UM, ON THE, ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION, THE SLOPE OF ITS, UH, GABLE BE REDUCED TO MATCH THE, THE MAJOR PORCH PORTION OF THE HOUSE AT, UH, SIX AND 12.
THAT THE, UM, COLUMN THERE BEING REMOVED.
AND, UM, THE CORNER PORCH THAT I DESCRIBED IN, UM, EARLIER THIS MORNING, UH, PROVIDED A SKETCH ON HOW THAT SHOULD GET RESOLVED.
UH, I KNOW IT'S, IT'S AN ADDITIONAL PICTURE AND I CAN'T REALLY WRITE IT ALL OUT IN THE, IN MY MOTION, BUT, UM, UH, BUT WE FOLLOW THE SKETCH.
THAT THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER LEAVES ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
IT APPEARS THAT THIS HAS PASSED, THAT THE MOTION HAS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
ALRIGHT, NEXT UP IS DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 12.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 12 15 10 WEST JEFFERSON BOULEVARD, WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 25 79 REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RENOVATE AN EXISTING NON-CONTRIBUTING MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RENOVATE AN EXISTING NON-CONTRIBUTING MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH PLANS AND SPECS DATED 7 7 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT
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ALL NEW SIDING BE WOOD, THAT ALL REPLACEMENT WINDOWS BE METAL OR WOOD, AND THAT THE BRICK NOT BE PAINTED IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD PREVENT THE PROPOSED WORK FROM ADVERSELY AFFECTING THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THEREFORE ALLOW THE WORK TO MEET STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMANT TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RENOVATE EXISTING NON CONTRIBUTING MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING, BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, NEED NEW PLANS THAT COINCIDE WITH UPDATED WORK PRESCRIPTION.AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP FOR THIS ONE.
SURELY YOU KNOW THE DRILL BY NOW.
NAME, ADDRESS, AND PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
YEAH, YOU HAVE TO PROMISE YOU TELL ME THE TRUTH.
AND YOU MAY NEED TO SPEAK UP INTO THAT MICROPHONE SO THAT THE COMMISSION'S AT HOME ARE ABLE TO HEAR EVERYTHING.
SO WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? WELL, UH,
I DON'T THINK THE MICROPHONE'S ON.
OH, I THOUGHT IT WAS ON, IT LOOKED ON.
AND SO, YEAH, WE, UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE THE, I GUESS THE ROOF KIND OF SKIRTING ALL AROUND OUR BUILDING, OUR BUILDING, UH, WITH A, UM, SIDING, UH, WHICH WE CONFIRMED THAT WE'LL BE INSTALLING WOOD.
UM, AND THEN ALSO WE'RE LOOKING TO PAINT THAT SIDING, UH, WITH THE COLOR SELECTION THAT WE PROVIDED AND REPLACED THE WINDOWS.
UM, THE OTHER ITEM WAS TO ALSO DO SOME PATCHING ON THE BRICK, UH, WITH PAINTING OF THE BRICK.
BUT AS WE FOUND OUT, WE, UH, IT'S NOT RECOMMENDED FOR US TO, UH, PAINT THE BRICK.
OUR REASON IS, UH, WE WANTED TO, UH, WE COULDN'T FIND THE EXACT BRICK AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF PATCHES, UH, ALL AROUND THE BUILDING, AND WE JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD LOOK KIND OF TACKY TO HAVE LIKE A PATCH OF, LIKE A WINDOW UNIT THAT IT USED TO HAVE IN A COUPLE AREAS.
AND WE THOUGHT, UH, MAYBE TRYING TO, UH, PATCH IT WITH THE, AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE AND THEN PAINTING THE BRICK WITH A COLOR THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA WILL LOOK A LOT BETTER.
UM, WHAT TYPE OF SIDING ARE YOU GONNA BE PUTTING ON THE, UH, UPPER SECTIONS? UM, I DON'T KNOW THE NAME, UH, BY HEART, HONESTLY.
I, I EXPECTED THIS LIGHT TO BE UP.
UM, BUT DOES IT HAVE A DIMENSION? UM, I, I, I DON'T WANNA SEE LIKE A FLAT NEEDS TO BE LIKE A LIGHT AND IT HAS A DIMENSION TO IT THAT IT, IT HAS SOME SPOT WOULD BE PUTTING ON THAT NEEDS TO HAVE, UH, THE RIGHT DETAIL.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF SIDING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? UM, IT'S A KIND OF LIKE SHIPLAP SIDING THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
IT NEEDS, IN MY OPINION, IT NEEDS TO HAVE A, A LAP SO THAT THEY OVERLAP EACH OTHER BECAUSE SHIPLAP ITSELF IS FLAT, BUT LAP SIDING IS NOT SHIPLAP.
DOES STAFF KNOW WHAT KIND OF SIDING STAFF IS PUTTING UP THE DRAWING RIGHT NOW? UH, THERE SHOULD BE LIKE A SPEC SHEET WITH THE MATERIAL FROM HOME DEPOT.
ARE YOU SUGGESTING JUST A REGULAR BEVELED LAP SIDING? YEAH, LIKE A, SINCE IT IS A KIND OF A CONTEMPORARY BUILDING, MAYBE LIKE A FOUR INCH LAP, FOUR SIX INCH LAP SO THAT IT, IT KIND OF HAS A 19, YOU KNOW, 1990, I MEAN 1960S, SEVENTIES LOOK.
SO A A BETWEEN A FOUR, SIX INCH LAP SIDING TO KINDA GIVE IT A, I I THINK SOMETHING LIKE NOVELTY WOULD NOT LOOK RIGHT, BE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE,
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UM, I GUESS IT'S NOT ON THE EMAILS OR ANYTHING.UM, I KNOW FOR A FACT IT'S NOT WHAT HE'S DESCRIBING, UH, FOR SURE.
UM, BUT I AM, WE'RE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS, LIKE WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, UM, WE'RE NOT WANTING TO GO WITH THE ONE THAT WE WANT JUST DISCUSS.
UM, WE DID WANTED TO DO SOME HARDING AT THE BEGINNING, BUT THEN WE FOUND OUT THAT WE, WE COULD ONLY DO WOOD, UM, HARDING JUST, UH, FOR, I GUESS IT DOESN'T DETERIORATE AS FAST, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S EASY TO MAINTAIN, BUT, UM, WE'RE OKAY WITH WOOD.
UM, I'M OKAY WITH WHAT HE'S SUGGESTING.
UM, AS LONG AS IT'S NOTHING CRAZY THAT I CAN'T FIND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN.
LIKE, UM, WE WANNA MAKE IT LOOK NICE AND I FEEL LIKE WE DO WANNA, I GUESS, CONTRIBUTE TO THE AREA AS WELL.
UM, IN ONE OF THE DRAWINGS RIGHT NOW, IT SHOWS AN OVERHANG.
UM, SO THERE'S, THE UPPER FLOOR IS GONNA HAVE AN OVERHANG OVER THE LOWER FLOOR, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, NOT EXACTLY THE UPPER FLOOR, BUT IT'S JUST LIKE THE EXTERIOR WALL KINDA EXTENDS A BIT OUT.
KINDA LIKE IT'S, IT'S CURRENTLY LIKE THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT JUST KIND OF GETS FLAT TOWARDS THE TOP OF THE BUILDING.
WHAT WE HAVE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, IT SHOWS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AN OVERHANG.
THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS AN OVERHANG, AND THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS FLAT.
OR IS IT, WAS IT JUST THE WAY IT WAS ON THE HERE? THE SECOND ONE WAS THE LOWER ONE SHOWS IT FLUSH ON THE RIGHT SIDE AND AN OVERHANG ON THE LEFT SIDE.
MY OPINION NEEDS TO HAVE AN OVERHANG CONSISTENT TO SHOW THE DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE UPPER LOWER FLOORS.
OTHERWISE IT'S GONNA BE, UM, ALL ONE MASSIVE BUILDING IS NOT GONNA LOOK RIGHT.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S JUST AN ARCHITECTURAL ERROR ON, ON THE RENDERINGS OR THE, UH, ELEVATION DRAWING, SORRY.
UM, BUT YEAH, WE'LL DEFINITELY HAVE IT ALL SYMMETRICAL ALL AROUND.
SO WE'LL HAVE AN OVERHANG ON ALL FOUR SIDES.
AND YOU KNOW, THE OVERHANGS GONNA BE, IS THAT GONNA BE SIX INCHES, 10 INCHES, 12 INCHES? UH, I BELIEVE IT SAYS IT RIGHT THERE.
A FOOT AND FIVE INCHES MAYBE? YEAH, A FOOT, FOOT, FOOT, A FOOT OVERHANG.
THAT WOULD BE, AND THAT WOULD BE ADEQUATE IN MY OPINION.
UH, MR. LL I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO, UM, THE WAY THE CURRENT ROOF IS FRAMED, UM, AT THE VERY TOP, AT THE PEAK, WELL NOT THE PEAK, BUT THE, THE TOP OF THE BUILDING, UM, THE, THE ROOF IS FLUSHED WITH THE FRAMING OF THE WALL.
SO AS THE, SO AS THE ROOF COMES DOWN, THE, IT, THAT'S WHAT CREATES THE OVERHANG.
SO IF WE WERE TO HOLD AN, THE OVERHANG AT THE BOTTOM AND THEN MAKE IT STRAIGHT, NOW YOU'VE GOT A GAP OF A FOOT AND A HALF AT THE TOP BETWEEN AN THE NEW ROOF AND THE, AND THE EXISTING FRAMING.
THE WINDOWS ARE STILL IN THE PLANE OF MM-HMM
THE, THE GROUND FLOOR WITHOUT THE OVERHANG.
SO IS YOUR INTENTION TO BOX OUT AROUND EVERY WINDOW THEN? WELL, THE WINDOWS AS IT SHOWS IT, AS YOU SEE, LIKE, THERE WERE LIKE, YEAH, I GUESS LIKE WITH THE IN LINE WITH THE EXTERIOR WALLS AS THEY SHOULD BE.
UM, THEN THAT
AND I THINK OUR PLAN IS TO BRING THOSE WINDOWS OUT, UH, WITH THE FRAME IN ITSELF AS WELL.
SO THAT MEANS THE ENTIRE, UH, SECOND FLOOR IS GONNA GROW, OR YOU'RE NO, NOT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR ANYTHING.
IT'S IS, IT'S JUST LIKE, KINDA LIKE VACANT SPACE IN THERE.
UH, THIS IS GONNA ACT AS, UH, FOR US TO RUN OUR VENTILATION AND OUR COPPER LINES FOR OUR MUNICIPAL UNITS AND ALL THAT.
UM, BUT IT DOES HELP US FOR IN THAT PURPOSE.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING, UM, I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE FRAME OF THE HOUSES THAT, OR THE BUILDING, IS THAT THE, THE ROOF ALL SLOPES IN ONE DIRECTION AND IT'S SLOPING TO THIS YEAH.
SO ON THREE SIDES, YOU'VE GOT A ROUGHLY, MAYBE A PARAPET THAT'S JUST A FEW INCHES TALL TO ON THE GUTTERED SIDE, OR NOT THE GUT, YEAH, THE GUTTERED SIDE.
THEN IT MIGHT BE A FOOT OR SO TALL, SO IT'S LIKE A C SHAPED BARE PIT.
SO THEN YOU'RE CATCHING WATER IN THE DOWN SPOT IN THE GUTTER AND THEN DRIVING IT DOWN LIKE FOUR OR FIVE DOWNSPOUTS.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU'VE THOUGHT THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS OF WHAT THIS IS GONNA CREATE.
'CAUSE NOW YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOTTA EXTEND THE ROOF OVER TO, UM, YOU KNOW, IN A, IN A NEW CONDITION.
AND, UM, SO NOW YOU'LL HAVE DOWNSPOUTS
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RUNNING ON THE OUTSIDE AND THEN CUTTING BACK TO THE BUILDING BASE AND, CORRECT.UM, WE DEFINITELY, I GUESS WE DIDN'T PUT TOO MUCH THOUGHT INTO THAT PART.
UM, I KNOW THAT THE ROOF DOES, IT DOES SLOPE TO THAT SIDE, AND THERE ARE SOME, LIKE, CHANGES THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE.
UM, THERE'S SOME LIKE, I GUESS PULLING, UH, THAT'S HAPPENING UP THERE.
WE'RE GONNA GET OUR ROOFER OUT THERE.
UM, I GUESS OUR MAIN GOAL WAS TO TRY TO GET THIS APPROVED FIRST AND THEN, UH, THINK ABOUT LIKE THE GUTTER PLACEMENT AND ALL THAT THROUGH A GUTTER SPECIALIST.
UM, 'CAUSE I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE OF TRYING TO FIND PLACES TO RUN YOUR, UM, YOUR HVAC DUCTS AND I, AND I GUESS THAT WAS THE SIMPLEST WAY IS TO PUT IT ALL ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, DOES THAT MEAN, I'M SORRY, I'M GOING INTO SOME THINGS THAT AREN'T ON THE DRAWINGS YET, BUT, UM, THAT YOU'LL HAVE NOW, UH, UH, RTUS SITTING UP ON THE ROAD? NO, THERE WILL BE, UM, MOST OF THEM WILL BE ON THE REAR OF, OF THE BUILDING ON THE GROUND.
AND THEN I, I BELIEVE, I FORGET THE NUMBER, BUT THERE'S SOME THAT GO ON THE SIDE BEHIND THE BUSHES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE.
SO, UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO IMAGINE ONCE YOU'VE WORKED OUT ALL THE REST OF THESE DETAILS, IT WON'T COME BACK TO US IT, BECAUSE IT'LL, UM, FOR ANY, WELL, HE'S ALREADY GOT SOME ROUTINE DONE FOR THE BOTTOM PART.
DID WE PUT THE UNIT THAT LAST ROUTINE? YEAH, WE DID.
THE UNITS ARE ALREADY DONE AS FAR AS BEING CAMOUFLAGED BY THE BUSHES AND WHATNOT AND BEHIND IT, BUT NO, WELL, IF HE, THE GUTTERS WILL HAVE TO COME BACK.
BUT IT MIGHT JUST BE A ROUTINE IF IT'S, YEAH, PROBABLY SO.
UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU ALL.
I GUESS NOW THINKING OF THAT, THE THINGS THAT COME AFTER THE EXTENSION OF THAT TOP SECTION, UM, I MEAN, I, I'M LOOKING FOR RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL, RIGHT? LIKE, UM, WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND ON THAT PART? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES SENSE TO, UM, IF ALL, I MEAN, I, I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU'RE, HOW ALL THE MECHANICAL SYSTEM IS GONNA BE WORKING FOR, FOR HVAC IN, IN PARTICULAR, UM, IF THAT'S, UH, LIKE WHERE THE MAIN UNIT, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE, YOU'VE GOT WHAT, EIGHT UNITS OR 16 UNITS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT MM-HMM
SO EACH ONE OF 'EM HAS THEIR OWN CONTROLS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALL GONNA REQUIRE A, UM, BOTH AN INTERIOR, UH, CONDENSER AND EXTERIOR COMPRESSOR.
UH, I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOU RIGHT HERE,
I GUESS, UM, MY MAIN CONCERN RIGHT NOW IS LIKE THE OVERHANG.
LIKE, DO WE NEED TO GO THAT MUCH OUT? UM, LIKE I PUT AND A HALF ALMOST, UM, THE COPPER LINES ARE NO MORE THAN PROBABLY FOUR INCHES IN TOTAL.
UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN BE SMALLER, UH, MORE TUCKED INTO THE, UH, THE BUILDING ITSELF.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE AS MUCH FRAMING AS
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, WELL, NOT, MAYBE NOT OBVIOUSLY, BUT FOR US, WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IF IT'S GONNA FEEL LIKE IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WITH THE CHANGES WE'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PROPOSING, I KNOW IT HAD A, A MAN LOOK, WHICH IS, UH, YOU KNOW, NEO FRENCH, 1850S, WHATEVER,
UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT THAT AT ALL.
UM, I MEAN, EVEN NOW WITH, WITH STRAIGHT PLANES INSTEAD OF, UH, INSTEAD OF MIMICKING AN OLD, UH, YOU KNOW, A REVIVAL PLAN OR NOT A REVIVAL STYLE, IT, IT WASN'T THAT EITHER.
SO, UH, WE'RE IT, THIS IS REALLY MORE INTERPRETIVE THAN ANYTHING.
UM, I'M, UH, LITTLE BIT OF THE LOSS OF HAVING THE RIGHT MATERIALS AND THE RIGHT PROPORTIONS AND EVERYTHING.
I, I THINK EVERYBODY IS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
UM, YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE TO SUGGEST.
IDEALLY THE OWNER WANTED US TO HAVE AN OVERHANG, I GUESS.
I THINK FOR HIM HE JUST LOOKED BETTER OR SO, AND I GUESS SINCE IT CURRENTLY HAS LIKE AN OVERHANG TYPE, I GUESS HE THOUGHT LIKE MAYBE PRESERVING SOME KIND OF ASPECT OF THAT.
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BASICALLY, UM, I WISH I COULD SHOW YOU THE SPEC SHEET FOR DECIDING, BUT, UM, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT WHAT, UM, ANDERSON COULD SAY.UM, UH, IT IS MORE LIKE A FOUR BY EIGHT SHEET THAT HAD KIND OF STRIPE ON THEM AND STUFF, AND, UH, THAT WAS GONNA BE PAINTED TO ONE OF THE COLOR CHOICES THAT WE PROVIDED.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, I THINK IN TERMS OF LIKE DECIDING DECISION, LIKE WE WERE PRETTY MUCH OPEN TO ANYTHING, UM, THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, EASILY AS I GUESS ACCESSIBLE.
UM, AND WE WENT WITH SOMETHING HORIZONTAL STRIPING BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE SAW, UM, ALL AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I GUESS.
OF COURSE, THERE'S A LOT SMALLER ONES THAT WERE, MOST OF THE HOUSES HAD, BUT WE, WE WANTED TO GO WITH SOMETHING FOUR INCHES OR SIX INCHES.
THEY, UM, I GUESS I'M, I'M ALSO TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY, UH, YOU MOVED FROM A A, WHAT WAS THE, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING LIKE A ROOF IER ROOF TO NOW SIDING AND I, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF CREATING A BUNCH OF OTHER ISSUES, UM, THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS ANYMORE.
UM, I COULD DEFINITELY ANSWER THAT.
I, I THINK, UH, FOR US, LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING THE INTERIOR LIKE VERY, I GUESS MODERN, UM, WHERE WE'RE FINISHING EVERYTHING INSIDE, YOU KNOW, IT'S BASICALLY A GUTTER, IT'S A GUTTER PROJECT BASICALLY.
UM, SO IT'S GONNA HAVE QUARTZ AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY FANCY TILE AND ALL THAT.
AND THE OUTSIDE IT'S GONNA LOOK VERY LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, FOR US IT LOOKS REALLY TACKY, UH, WITH THE SKIRTING THAT IT HAS.
UM, AND THEN IT JUST REQUIRES A LOT OF REPAIRS, WHICH IF WE DIDN'T GET APPROVED FOR THIS, THEN WE WILL KEEP IT, BUT WE WILL HAVE TO REPLACE THE, THOSE SHINGLES THAT ARE ON THE SIDE FOR BASICALLY NEW SHINGLES.
AND THEN IT HAS A LOT OF SIDING REPAIRS AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO WE'RE LIKE, WELL REPAIR THAT OR TRY TO GET, UH, SOMETHING NEW RIGHT.
AND MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE NICER THAN WHAT IT IS.
AND, OR BASED ON OUR ELEVATIONS, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA TURN OUT NICE.
UM, BUT WE'RE ALSO, WE KNEW WE HAD TO KIND OF COME HERE RIGHT? AND TRY TO GET THIS APPROVED, BUT FOR THE OWNER, HE IS LIKE, IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, THEN IT DOESN'T WORK OUT AND WE JUST KEEP WHAT WE HAVE.
BUT AS PROJECT MANAGER, LIKE I REALLY WANTED IT TO BE DONE BECAUSE, UM, IT, IT MAKES OUR PRODUCT INSIDE LOOK A LOT NICER AND IT HAS A LOT OF LIKE, I GUESS REPAIR THAT THE PREVIOUS OWNERS MADE, LIKE, UH, KIND OF PATCHES OF DIFFERENT TYPE OF SIGHTINGS.
AND THEN HE HAS VINYL WINDOWS, ALUMINUM WINDOWS, UM, THAT HAS ATURE OF MANY THINGS.
UM, MR. ANDERSON, DID YOU ALREADY SPEAK ON THIS ONE? YES.
I DON'T, I JUST, UM, UH, IS THERE ANYTHING COMMISSIONER SEN UH, YES.
UM, DO YOU HAVE THE COLOR CHIPS FOR THE PAINT OPTIONS? UM, MY COWORKER WAS SUPPOSED TO BRING THOSE, BUT HE GOT INTO A BENDER BENDER AND, OH NO, I DIDN'T REALLY WANT HIM TO LIKE, HE COULD COME LIKE, IT WAS REALLY MINOR, BUT JUST TOLD HIM TO HOLD ONTO THEM.
BUT, UM, WE DID PROVIDE THE COLOR CODES YEAH.
THEY JUST WANNA SEE THE ACTUAL CHIP, SO, AND HE ACTUALLY TOLD ME LIKE, DO YOU THINK THEY'LL NEED 'EM? AND I WAS LIKE, NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR, UM, WHAT IS THE ONE THAT Y'ALL WANT TO GO WITH SHADOW THE OPTIONS, I GUESS WHAT WE CALL THE BLUE ONE? UM, WITH, IT'S A DUTCH TILE.
YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH, THE DUTCH TILE.
UM, REGARDING WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO THE TOP HALF OF THE BUILDING, UM, I KNOW WHAT'S UNAPPEALING ABOUT THE CURRENT STYLE, WHICH WAS KIND OF THE SEVENTIES THING, TO HAVE THAT MANSARD ROOF, THAT THAT WAS REALLY A SECOND FLOOR.
I GUESS YOU'RE THINKING A LOT OF PEOPLE NOW LOOK AT THAT.
NOT ONLY, WE DON'T, MANY PEOPLE DON'T THINK IT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE, BUT SOME THINK THAT MEANS IT MUST BE KIND OF OLD AND MAYBE RUN DOWN AND SO THEY DON'T WANNA PAY A LOT OF RENT OR MAYBE DON'T WANNA LIVE THERE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING, THAT IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT VERY APPEALING TO YOUR CUSTOMERS? UH, YEAH, I GUESS, YEAH, THAT'S THE MAIN THING.
LIKE, IT'S NOT APPEALING TO THE CUSTOMERS AND UM, WE THOUGHT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD ALIGN WITH THIS, BUT OH WELL IT'S THE BUILDING IS, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL THE BUILDINGS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, SUMMER ARE REALLY GOOD.
THEY ACTUALLY SAID THIS ONE WAS INVASIVE, LIKE AN UGLY WE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT,
SO THIS IS NOT CONSIDERED TO FIT IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT, AND NOW THIS IS HONESTLY LIKE A SILLY QUESTION TO ASK YOU.
NOW, YOU KNOW HOW SOME BOXES HAVE TO GO FLAT THAT PULL DOWN, BUT THERE ARE SOME BOXES THAT YOU GOT BOTTOM AND THEN YOU PUT A TOP OVER IT.
THIS IS, I'M PICTURING THIS TURNING OUT LIKE ONE OF THOSE, BUT THE
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TOP IS EXTRA LARGE COMPARED TO THE BOTTOM AND YOU'LL JUST LOOK LIKE IT'S OVERWHELMING THE BOTTOM.SO IT'S NOT REALLY A STYLE THAT'S ANYONE'S HEARD OF OR SEEN, WHICH MEANS IT'S EITHER VERY INNOVATIVE OR I DON'T
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA RAISE YOUR APPEAL BY THIS.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR YOU'VE CONSIDERED THAT.
IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE GETTING YOURSELF INTO A WHOLE LOT OF ISSUES ABOUT BUILDING THAT TOP ON AND, AND MAKING IT WORK.
AND THE, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT THAT LITTLE DOOR THAT THE ANGLE'S IN? ARE YOU GONNA FILL THAT IN OR THE, THE, THERE'S THAT ENTRYWAY WHERE IT, IT'S A LITTLE ANGLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING AND YEAH, SO YOU KNOW, BASICALLY COME AROUND AS A ONE FOOT OVERHANG THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE BUILDING.
SO YOU'RE JUST GONNA DO THAT? YEAH.
UM, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ANY ELSE IS THINKING, BUT I'M THINKING THIS IS NOT ACTUALLY AN IMPROVEMENT.
AND MY FAVORITE THING ABOUT THIS BUILDING IS THE SWOOPY SIDE PART, BUT UM, IT IS UP TO THE MAJORITY TO SEE HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS IMPROVES THINGS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR NOT.
THAT'S ACTUALLY OUR ONLY CONCERN, NOT WHETHER WE LIKE IT.
I'M NOT GONNA RENT IT, BUT I HAVE A HOUSE.
I JUST DON'T NEED TO, I JUST DON'T SEE ABOUT IT.
COMMISSIONER REEVES, IT JUST DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THEY'RE READY TO COME FORWARD.
WELL, WE HAVE COME UP WITH A FEW THINGS FOR 'EM TO THINK ABOUT OBVIOUSLY, SO YEAH, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S READY FOR US TO VOTE ON.
AND COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SAY AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL BACK UP.
COMMISSIONER POGI, UM, THIS IS A VERY COMPLICATED STRUCTURE AND I DO AGREE THAT THE WHAT'S THERE IS, BUT WE KNOW WHAT IT IS, IS A GIVEN.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE A CLUE WHAT THIS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE.
IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU WANTED TO DO A PLYWOOD SHEETS OF T NINE 11.
YOU SAID IT WAS GONNA BE WOOD, WOOD SHEETS WITH, WITH, WITH RIDGES IN IT.
UH, THAT'S, WE NEED MORE DETAILS.
WE NEED TO GET CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS.
WE NEED TO SEE ALL OF THESE INS AND OUTS.
ROOFS COME TOGETHER, WE CAN TAKE THE ROOF OFF.
WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT? WE NEED A, A STRUCTURAL PLAN, HOW WE'RE GONNA BUILD OUT WITH A, UM, AN
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION HERE.
IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ALL ENVISION, IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT, BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH WHAT THE CHAIR SAID.
UM, I'M NOT SURE THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT.
I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THE 1970S MANSARD ROOF, BUT I CAN SEE IT.
AND IF WE APPROVE WHAT WE, THESE DRAWINGS WE HAVE TODAY, WE DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET BECAUSE IT COULD BE EVEN WORSE THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ALL KIND OF HAPHAZARD.
SO I RECOMMEND WE DENY THIS WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND HIM COME BACK WITH CONSTRUCTION DETAILS WITH MATERIALS AND DECIDING HE'S GONNA USE AND WHAT HE, WHAT HE WANTS TO DO WITH THOSE AIR CONDITIONING HOLES IN THE LOWER FLOOR.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. ANDERSON.
ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? BECAUSE IF NOT, MR YEAH, THIS IS A, A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
SINCE THIS IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING FOR THE DISTRICT.
I MEAN, WHAT, HOW FAR DO WE NEED TO GO WITH THE, YOU KNOW, DOING THE CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR? LIKE WHAT SHOULD WE USE AS OUR BASELINE? JUST WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO BRING THE STANDARD VERBATIM? BECAUSE I'M THINKING WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT A NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING AND WHETHER OR NOT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AND OUR GOAL IS ALWAYS TO HAVE IT NOT BECOME EVEN LESS CONTRIBUTING OR DISTRACTING.
SO THIS IS LITERALLY WHAT, WHAT YOU HAVE TO ANSWER FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC OVERLAY, THE STUDY.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE A WHERE THE DOOR JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT HE DOES.
ANYONE HAVE A MOTION? WHAT? I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND HIM DO.
ANDERSON, WERE YOU GONNA MAKE A MOTION? NO.
COMMISSIONER RENO REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 12, UH, 1510 WEST JEFFERSON BOULEVARD, ALSO KNOWN AS COA DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 0 7 9.
THAT, UM, WE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
UM, THERE ARE A, A NUMBER OF DETAILS THAT THAT NEED TO BE CLARIFIED, UH, A BIT FURTHER.
AND I THINK, UM, WITH MORE TIME, UM, THE APPLICANT WILL BE ABLE TO FIGURE, FIGURE, FIGURE THIS OUT.
SORRY, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE MOTION.
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UH, DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE, WOULD YOU SECOND JUST, WOULD YOU ADD, UH, WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT IT DOESN'T, IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT? ABSOLUTELY.
UH, WHO IS OUR SECOND? OUR SECOND IS COMMISSIONER REEVES.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I I DO WANNA ADD, I, THEY MAY BE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, IT'S JUST WE NEED MORE DETAILS.
I I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THEY NOT SCRAP THIS ALL TOGETHER, BUT MAYBE COME BACK MORE DETAILS, BETTER DRAWINGS SO WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE MAYBE SOME UH, UM, SOME SKETCHES, SOME METRICS, WHATEVER.
BECAUSE THE DOGS THEY HAD JUST DIDN'T GIVE US ENOUGH INFORMATION AND MORE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS AND DETAILS.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE OTHER, ANOTHER SUGGESTION TOO ON, UM, I THINK THE WINDOWS, THE WINDOW, YOUR WINDOW SELECTION IS FINE.
THEY LOOK, UM, MODERN, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH JUST THE TWO SASHES, BUT I THINK YOU NEED TO RELOOK AT YOUR DOORS.
UM, THEY HAVE A VERY COLONIAL WITH THE SIX PANEL AND THE SIDELIGHTS AND ALL OF THAT.
IT, IT'S NOT MODERN, IT'S NOT, THE DOORS ARE ORIGINAL WITH EVERYTHING.
THEY WERE NOT CHANGING WELL, OKAY, SO, BUT WE'VE CHANGED ALL EVERYTHING ELSE WITH THE ROOF.
THAT'S THAT'S DEFINITELY A DIFFERENT, UM, BUT POINT IS THEY DON'T MATCH ANYMORE.
SO, UM, BUT YEAH, JUST SOMETHING ELSE TO, TO THINK ABOUT IN THE, AND IT WOULD ALSO, IT WOULD ALSO HELP TO HAVE SEVERAL PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT NEXT TIME.
I MEAN, WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY GOOD PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE EXTERIOR TO COMPARE.
AND, AND THE, UH, YOU KNOW, DRAWINGS FROM THE SIDE, WE, UM, WE LIKE VISUALS COMMISSIONER PRE WILL NOW SPEAK SO IN THE MOTION OR THEN ARE WE DENYING THE WINDOWS AS WELL? NO, EVERYTHING.
SO THE WINDOW, I, I BELIEVE THE MOTION IS SINCE THEY JUST MADE ONE REQUEST TO DO THE RENOVATION, IT WOULD, WOULD IT MATTER WHETHER THE WINDOWS GETS APPROVED TODAY OR NOT? VERSUS WE HAVE TO COME BACK ANYWAY JUST BECAUSE PACKAGE, I WOULD LIKE FOR THE WINDOWS TO BE, I MEAN THAT WOULD BE MY THINKING IF WE'RE OKAY WITH THE WINDOWS THAT THEY COULD LEASE OR, 'CAUSE THAT'S GOTTA BE A MUCH LONGER LEAD TIME THAN, YEAH, NO, DEFINITELY EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO IF WE CAN MAYBE SEPARATE, UM, WITH, UH, I'LL MAKE THAT ONE MODIFICATION THAT WE, UM, APPROVE THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS, UH, BE METAL OR WOOD.
UM, TRYING TO THINK OF, I THINK NEEDS TO RESTATE THE MOTION IF I, I THINK I'M TO THINK OF THE BEST WAY TO CRAFT THAT, RIGHT? UM, JUST SAY IT ALL OVER AGAIN WITH THAT PART IN IT.
CAN I DENY IT AND THEN STILL APPROVE? NO, I, WE NEED A MOTION THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY LISTED OUT LIKE FOR LIKE, UM, FOR THE WI YOU KNOW, REPLACEMENT NUMBER TWO, REPLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS APPROVE AND THEN DENY THE REST.
YEAH, BUT WE NEED TO AMEND THE EXISTING MOTION 'CAUSE WE'RE ALREADY IN DISCUSSION MOTION, RIGHT? YEAH.
MADAME CHAIR, YES, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE WINDOWS UNTIL EVERYTHING ELSE IS PUT TOGETHER.
THAT'S LIKE A PUZZLE PIECE WITHOUT THE REST OF THE PUZZLE.
I AGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE IF YOU, UM, DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THE REST OF THE BODY.
YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW IF THESE WINDOWS OR YOU WANT THE WINDOWS YOU WANT.
WHAT IF YOU ORDER THEM AND BY THE TIME YOU ACTUALLY NEED THEM, YOU CHANGE TO SINGLE WINDOWS OR COLOR WINDOWS OR WIDER WINDOWS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I LIKE THE MOTION ONCE COMMISSIONER REEVES AGREES WITH ME, BUT MAYBE NO ONE ELSE DOES.
OKAY, SO ARE WE READY TO VOTE ON THE MOTION AS IT STANDS? ALL RIGHT, ALL IS IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION.
UH, IS, WHAT IS THE MOTION? DOES IT INCLUDE THE WINDOWS OR NOT? THE MOTION DOES NOT NOW INCLUDE ANY PROVISION FOR THE WINDOWS.
IT JUST IS A DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE SO THEY CAN COME BACK WITH A FULLY REDONE PACKAGE.
ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION.
ANYONE AT HOME OPPOSE THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT THEN IT APPEARS THE MOTION HAS CARRIED BY A MAJORITY SINCE THIS WAS A DENIAL.
YOU CAN APPEAL IT TO UM, CPC FOR A FEE, BUT YOU KNOW, BETTER JUST COME BACK TO US TO COME BACK AND SEE US SOMETIME ANYWAY.
THINK THROUGH YOUR DESIGN AND BE ABLE TO PRESENT IT TO US MORE CLEARLY AND MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY ASKING FOR.
'CAUSE YOU SURE WOULD HATE TO WIN AND THEN FIND OUT YOU COULDN'T BUILD IT, WOULDN'T YOU? YEAH, THEY, SO SORRY FOR TROUBLE.
I GUESS IF YOU APPEAL, DO YOU COME BACK HERE SOONER OR IT'S THE SAME DATES LONGER.
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RIGHT? RIGHT.IT'S FASTER JUST TO COME BACK THROUGH CHRISTINA.
COMMISSIONER PELOSI AND COMMISSIONER OSI.
DO WE WANT TO TAKE OUR LITTLE BREAK NOW? YES.
WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A RECESS UNTIL 3 0 2 FOR PUR PURPOSES OF, YOU KNOW, YEAH, FIVE AND SEVEN.
WE, WE THEN WE'LL START WITH CASE FIVE WHEN WE GET BACK.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 5 9 2 1 NORTH PIT TWO AVENUE PIT TWO AVENUE, EXCUSE ME, PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 25 1 2 1.
REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE MASSING IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 4.2 AND WOULD THEREFORE HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT UNDER THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTINGS, NEIGHBORHOOD AND DISTRICT TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A REAR EDITION TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, SIDING, WINDOWS AND SETBACKS ARE INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE DISTRICT.
INSUFFICIENT INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED NEED, NEED PICTURES OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS EXISTING STRUCTURE, NOT THE PROPERTIES ADJACENT.
COMMENTS IN ADDITION TO THE ABOVE, THIS TASK FORCE HAS CONCERNS REGARDING THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
WE APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN BUILT BETWEEN HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PERMITTED.
THE 1922 SANDOR MAP CERTAINLY DOES NOT SHOW IT, NOR DOES THE JUNE, 1993 INVENTORY DOCUMENT FOR PEAK SUBURBAN ADDITION.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS QUESTION AS TO WHETHER ADDING TO THE INSTRUCTION MEETS THE FAR FOR THIS AREA AND WHETHER IT EXCEEDS THE ALLOWED LOCK COVER WITH RESPECT TO SETBACK.
THE SIDE YARD SETBACK IS IN SUBMISSION AND VIOLATES THE FIRE CODE.
UH, ALSO JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE, UM, APPLICANT IS ONLINE AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE ASK TO MAYBE TREAT MORE LIKE A COURTESY REVIEW.
SHE'S OPEN TO RECOMMENDATION AND SUGGESTION.
JANET SIPES, ARE YOU THERE? GOOD AFTERNOON.
IT IS A STATE LAW REQUIRED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE REALLY, YOU WELL,
I I SEE THAT AND I KEEP ON HITTING START VIDEO AND IT'S NOT ALLOWING ME TO, IS THERE SOMETHING ON Y'ALLS END OR, UH, UH, THE ONLY SUGGESTION THAT THE IT PEOPLE HAD WAS LOG OFF AND LOG BACK ON.
AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE SUCCEED BY TRYING THEIR PHONE DEPENDING ON THE PHONE PROBABLY.
UM, WHILE SHE'S FIGURING THAT OUT, UM, I DO NOW HAVE PHOTOS IF WE WANNA HAVE A LOOK AT THE EXISTING HOUSE WHILE SHE'S DOING THAT.
I'M TRYING TO SHRINK IT TO HERE.
SO THERE'S FROM THE FRONT, UM, FROM ONE OF THE SIDE.
IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THE SIDE OF HERE.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE AS TO WHAT, WHAT FROM WHERE THAT IS.
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ARE YOU STILL WITH US? AND ARE YOU HAVING ANY LUCK? OH, I DON'T.COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, WE STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN OUR APPLICANT ABLE TO SPEAK.
JANET, ARE YOU THERE? JANET? ARE THERE JANET? I'M HERE.
ARE YOU ABLE TO TURN THE THE CAMERA ON YET? I THINK SO.
I'M I DUPLICATED MYSELF YET WE STILL CAN'T SEE YOU.
CAN YOU SEE? NO, I CAN'T SEE YOU.
ALRIGHT, WE, WE UM, IF YOU COULD START BY GIVING US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL US THE TRUTH.
JANET S SIPES 9 21 NORTH FITZ HU AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT, MA'AM? WE'VE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF PICTURES WHILE YOU ARE WORKING ON GETTING ON.
SO WANTING TO, UM, DO AN ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THE, UM, EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT'S THERE NOW.
UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S LIKE 661 SQUARE FEET.
THEY'RE, UH, WANTING TO ADD ON ABOUT 800 AND SOMETHING SQUARE FEET TO THE HOME, JUST LIKE A FAMILY ROOM OFFICE AND AN ADDITIONAL BATHROOM AREA THERE.
UH, IT DID GO THROUGH A ZONING REVIEW OVER IN RESIDENTIAL OVER OFF OF JEFFERSON.
AND, UM, THEY HAD A FEW COMMENTS THERE THAT SAID THAT IT WAS OKAY TO GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT.
I KNOW THAT THERE WAS, UM, A QUESTION ABOUT THE SETBACKS AND STUFF ON THE SIDE, AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT, UH, THEY HAD COME BACK WITH IS THAT IF IT'S LESS THAN FIVE FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE, IT NEEDED TO HAVE A ONE HOUR RATED WALL, FIRE RATED WALL THERE IN ORDER FOR IT TO, UM, PASS THE FIRE CODE.
AND I KNOW THAT I DID SEE THAT THERE'S SOME, UM, BUILDING PERMITS THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED ALL THE WAY BACK FROM WHAT I COULD SEE TO LIKE 1984.
IT, BUT IT'S LIKE FOR TRADE PERMITS, ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING MM-HMM
AND OF COURSE PERMITS ARE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE DO.
WE DO WE CERTIFY THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? YES, MA'AM.
AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, PLUMBING IS FINE.
WE CAN'T EVEN SEE
I MEAN IT'S JUST SHOWING THAT THE STRUCTURE WAS THERE.
AND, AND WE'RE NOT SURE ABOUT THE, THE AGE OF THE STRUCTURE.
ALL I CAN SEE IS I CAN DEC A, IT GOES BACK TO 1931, SO.
LET'S HEAR FROM COMMISSIONERS.
COMMISSIONERS WHO HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROPOSED WORK.
UM, THE TASK FORCE HAS SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT THE STRUCTURE.
NOW THIS IS, THERE ARE TUTOR STRUCTURES ON THE FRONT ON FITSU.
THIS IS A BACK, WAS IT AN ACCESSORY BUILDING? BECAUSE IT'S NOT A MAIN STRUCTURE, IS IT? I I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
IT IS A MAIN STRUCTURE THAT'S THERE.
IT JUST IS A VERY NARROW PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UM, I DID GET A PLAT FOR IT FOR THAT ADDRESS AND IT DOES SHOW, LIKE ON DA THAT IT IS 661 SQUARE FEET.
UH, IT SHOWS IT'S LOT ONE AND TWO IS WHAT I SAW AND THAT'S WHAT IT SHOWS ON THE PLAT.
DOES STAFF KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS? IS, IS THIS A PLATTED LITTLE LOG OR ACCESSORY BUILDING? MY GUESS WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT WAS THAT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINES IT WAS A, UH, IT WAS SUBDIVIDED FROM
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A, A LARGER PIECE FROM THAT HOUSE THAT'S KIND OF ALMOST IN FRONT OF IT.UH, WOULD BE MY GUESS THAT IT WAS SUBDIVIDED AT SOME POINT AND THEN, UH, WAS ALLOWED TO BE BUILT ON, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YEAR THAT WAS THERE A DATE ON THE PLAT THE SUCH? UM, LET ME PULL IT UP FOR A MOMENT HERE.
AND THAT WOULD'VE HAPPENED LONG BEFORE THERE WAS HISTORIC DISTRICT OR THE SAME ZONING AS NOW
SO IT SHOWS THE 10TH DAY OF MARCH, 1905 IS WHAT'S ON THE FLAT.
TO ME IT SEEMS A PIECE ONTO SUCH A UNUSUAL PROPERTY.
I MEAN, WITH THE, IT, IT JUST SEEMS, I, I'VE LOOKED BACK THERE AND, AND I LIVE NEARBY AND IT IS ALL KINDS OF STUFF GOING ON BACK TO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
THIS IS A VERY UNUSUAL SITUATION TO BE ADDING ON TO SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE OF MIDDLE OF THE SOMEONE ELSE'S BACKYARD.
WELL IT, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE FOR A VERY LONG TIME IT HAS NOT BEEN SOMEONE'S BACKYARD.
IT'S BEEN A DEEP, SKINNY, UNUSUAL LOT WITH THE BUILDING SET TO THE FAR BACK, WHICH CERTAINLY IS UNUSUAL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF ADDING ONTO THE BACK MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY STRANGE.
DO DO ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? LEMME JUST FINISH.
DO WE HAVE ENOUGH DETAILS AS TO HOW THIS WE DON'T, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE GOOD PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
IT, IT DOES SEEM WE'RE ADDING A BIG CHUNK ONTO SOMETHING.
WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION, I DON'T THINK ON THE MAIN BUILDING TO ACT ON THIS.
THIS IS WHERE SHE WAS ASKING FOR RECOMMENDATIONS.
YEAH, SHE, SHE IS, LIKE WE SAID AT THE BEGINNING, SHE, SHE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT WE THOUGHT SHE COULD DO.
GIVEN THAT, I ASSUME YOU WANT TO ENLARGE IT.
IS IT A RENTAL PROPERTY MA'AM? YOU WANNA BE ABLE TO RENT OUT TO A FAMILY OR YES OR YES TO THE FAMILY AND ALL AND IT'S, IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR A FAMILY RENTAL.
ALRIGHT, SO IN THE SPIRIT THAT WE'RE KIND OF DOING A COURTESY REVIEW TOO HERE, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY, UM, WHAT, WHAT INFORMATION IS LACKING THAT WOULD HELP US OR WHAT YOUR SUGGESTIONS ARE? I CAN SAY ONE MORE THING.
THE STAFF AND TASK FORCE SERVE DENIAL.
SO LET'S, WE CAN NEED TO, WHAT WOULD THE STAFF CONCERNS AND TASK FORCE CONCERNS AND HOW CAN WE RECTIFY THAT? OUR FIRST CONCERN WAS SETBACKS AND THAT WAS ALSO TASK FORCE.
UM, ALSO AT THE TIME WE DIDN'T HAVE THE PHOTOS OF THE PICTURE, SO WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE EXISTING SIDING WOULD BE TO SEE IF WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING, UM, WHICH SHE HAS INCLUDED.
UH, ENGINEER TREATED WOOD SIDINGS, WHAT THEY HAD, BUT WE HAD NO, WE DIDN'T KNOW ANY EXISTING INFORMATION.
THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING PLAID WINDOWS.
AGAIN, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WINDOWS THE EXISTING HOUSE HAS.
UM, AND THE MASSING
IT SEEMS TO BE A MA A MASSIVE, ALMOST LIKE DOUBLING THE SIZE OF SOMETHING.
UH, WELL IT'S MORE, IT'S 200 SQUARE FEET LARGER THAN THE EXISTING.
SO THAT WAS STAFF AND TASK FORCE MAIN CONCERN.
WE DIDN'T KNOW IF WE COULDN'T TELL ON THAT ONE.
SO HOW ARE THEY GETTING AROUND? ONE SECOND.
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FIND IT.SO IF YOU LOOK ON THE SITE PLAN, UM, THIS SEEMS TO BE LIKE A DECK.
SO, UM, MS. MS. JANET IS IT, IS THERE A DOOR RIGHT IN THIS AREA WHERE IF YOU COULD GO TO THE FLOOR PLAN UHHUH, IT WILL SHOW THERE'S LIKE A HALLWAY THAT GOES ALONGSIDE THE KITCHEN AND IT AND IT'LL GO BACK INTO THAT NEW ADDITION? I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE EXISTING.
SO WE NEED TO GO TO THE PROPOSED AND THERE'S LIKE A CASING AND OPENING, WHICH WILL HAVE TO REMAIN.
SO, UM, TO GET BACK INTO THAT NEW AREA.
SO RIGHT HERE IS WHAT WE WERE CONCERNED.
'CAUSE THAT PART IS ALSO THE, THE FENCE IS LIKE RIGHT, RIGHT THERE.
SO THEY NEEDED TO SHOW LIKE A FLOW ITS THING MM-HMM
AND THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS SAYING.
IF IT'S LESS THAN FIVE FEET FROM THAT PROPERTY LINE, THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE THAT OUR, UH, FIRE RATED WALL THERE.
AND WHAT IS THE EXISTING, UM, EXTERIOR MATERIAL? I IS IT, IS IT WOOD? IT'S VINYL.
SO IF YOU'RE PROPOSING THE TREATED WOOD SIDING, ARE YOU GOING, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CONNECT IT TO THE FINAL SIDING? YOU SEE, YOU SEE WHAT WE'RE SAYING? BECAUSE NORMALLY IT WOULD BE ALL THE SAME MATERIAL ALL THE WAY AROUND.
I NEED TO CONFIRM THAT IF THEY'RE GOING TO REDO THE WHOLE SIDING OR IF THEY'RE GONNA KEEP THE EXISTING AS IS AND DO THE, UM, IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THE WOOD OR IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THE, UH, VINYL FOR THE OTHER ONE.
UM, YES, THAT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT TO DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT FOR THE SIDING ON THE FRONT.
IT'S POSSIBLE THE VINYL SIDING IS OVER SOME SORT OF METAL, UM, WOOD SIDING, IN WHICH CASE YOU'D PROBABLY WANNA JUST MASH THAT WOOD SIDING ON THE BACK.
SOMETIMES THE VINYL SIDING HAS DONE A LOVELY JOB OF PROTECTING THE ORIGINAL WALL BACK THERE AND, AND YOU MIGHT FIND THAT IT LOOKS GOOD THAT WAY, BUT MAKING THE MATCH SOMEHOW WOULD BE BETTER.
YOU SAID YOU HAD UM, SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE SETBACKS, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S BEEN SETTLED WITH BUILDING INSPECTION SINCE SHE'S THE APPLICANT HAS GONE THROUGH THAT.
WE, WE WERE A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT, UM, THAT THE, THE PRELIMINARY, UH, ANALYSIS SAID IT WAS OKAY THE WAY, THE WAY IT WAS PROPOSED.
SO, UM, SO WE WE'RE GOING WITH IT.
WELL I WAS ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE LOCK COVERAGE.
I MEAN I KNOW THIS IS A WONKY SITUATION.
BUT IT LEADS ALMOST, WELL IT'S SUCH A LONG LOT.
IT MAY LOT COVERAGE MAY NOT BE THE ISSUE.
DO THEY COVER THAT WHOLE OR YEAH, BUT AGAIN, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T GET INTO THE WEEDS OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
I WOULD BE THINKING ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT IS IT GONNA LOOK LIKE? YEAH.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TO ME IT IS A, IT IS A LARGE ADDITION TO THE BACK, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO MITIGATED BY THE FACT THAT THIS IS SUCH A LONG SKINNY LOT AND THIS, THIS HOUSE IS SO FAR BACK IN THE LOT MM-HMM
UM, THAT IT'S, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY THINK IT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE, UM, TO ADD ON TO THE BACK OF THIS.
SMALLER BUILDING WITH THIS LARGER ADDITION.
IT, IT'S NOT UNSIMILAR TO THE TWO THAT WE ALREADY SAW IN 10TH STREET WHERE THEY WERE SO SMALL FOR HOUSES THAT THEY'RE NOT PERHAPS WHAT THE MARKET NEEDS.
WE HAVE MORE FAMILIES IN NEED OF A PLACE TO LIVE THAN SMALL PEOPLE.
BECAUSE THEY WERE LONG, SKINNY LOTS.
AND SO YOU HAVE TO, THE ONLY WAY TO DEVELOP ON A LONG SKINNY LOT IS TO DO A LONG SKINNY HOUSE.
SO YOU'RE REALLY JUST CONFIRMING, CONFORMING TO WHAT THE LOT SHAPE IS HERE WITH THAT, WITH THAT ADDITION.
SO, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A CONCERN WITH THAT ADDITION.
AND LIKE COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I DO DO LIVE NEAR HERE AND I WALK PAST THERE A LOT.
REALLY HARDLY YOU EVER NOTICED THIS, BUT I'M SURE I, YOU COULD'VE BUILT THE WHOLE BACKEND AND I WOULD NEVER HAVE NOTICED EXCEPT THE CONSTRUCTION WORK.
'CAUSE HOW WOULD YOU SEE IT FROM, FROM ANY JUST PASSERBY POSITION AS FAR AS IT ALREADY IS BACK.
UM, BUT THE, THE ISSUE OF TRYING TO MAKE IT AT LEAST LOOK APPROPRIATE WITH A SAME SIDING ALL AROUND BOTH HOUSES WOULD BE EASIER AND APPROPRIATE WINDOWS AND ALL THAT MAKES IT EASIER FOR US TO APPROVE.
AT THE MOMENT, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO ABOUT SIDING ON BOTH SECTIONS.
SO THAT WOULD MAKE IT HARD TO APPROVE NOW.
BUT THAT WOULD BE A THING TO DO FOR THE FUTURE IS, IS FIGURE OUT THE SIDING FOR THE WHOLE PLACE.
I THINK SHE'S LOOKING ALSO FOR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM COMMISSION.
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YOU KNOW, DECIDING IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.I MEAN THE FIR THE FIRST THING IS PULL OFF SOME OF THAT VINYL AND SEE IF YOU'VE GOT WOOD UNDER THERE.
'CAUSE IF YOU DO, THEN HALF OF IT'S ALREADY CITED AND JUST MATCH THAT.
AND ALMOST ANYTHING YOU'LL FIND UNDER THERE IS PROBABLY STILL AVAILABLE SOMEPLACE.
BUT ACTUAL WOOD IS OUR PREFERENCE USUALLY.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S THE PLACE TO START ON YOUR, ON YOUR SIDING PROBABLY IS TO JUST LOOK AND SEE WHAT YOU REALLY HAVE ON THE ORIGINAL.
AND THEN, UM, AS FAR AS THE WINDOWS, DO Y'ALL HAVE, IS THERE A WINDOW LISTING OR SOMETHING WERE APPROVED OR WE PREFER WOOD WINDOWS.
I KNOW THEY HAVE THEIR DOWNSIDES 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO PAINT THEM, BUT THAT IS THE NORM FOR A HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
AND COMMISSIONER RENO, I'M SURE YOU HAVE SOME HELPFUL, WELL INSIGHT.
THIS IS MORE ABOUT, UM, ACCESS AND THE, I GUESS THE PERCEPTION OF THIS BUILDING.
SO, 'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A SHARED DRIVEWAY BETWEEN THIS HOME AND THE ONE NEXT DOOR I GUESS TO THE, TO THE WEST.
IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S A DRIVEWAY THAT'S BARELY ON THE PROPERTY AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ACTUALLY SERVING THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
BUT THEN IT ALSO ACCESSES A, A LARGE CONCRETE PAD IN FRONT OF THE HOME.
WE WERE THINKING IT WAS SHARED AS WELL.
AND THAT'S WHERE MY QUESTION CAME IN WITH THE LOCK COVERAGE.
'CAUSE THEN IS IT, WHOSE, IS IT
BUT YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS SUBDIVIDED, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, ALMOST A CENTURY AGO, IT STILL LOOKS THAT WAY PHYSICALLY.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OUR PER PURVIEW IS IT DOESN'T LOOK COMPATIBLE.
NOW THE ADDITION, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE FROM WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, UM, WHERE IT'S BEING LOCATED.
SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT KIND OF TAKES IT OUT OF, UM, UM, OUT OF BEING, UH, INCOMPATIBLE OR THAT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE NOW.
UM, I MEAN I DO, UM, UM, UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THE LINE OF THINKING OF, OF, UH, OKAY, THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO MAKE IT COMPATIBLE TO MAKE THE, THE ADDITION AND UH, AND EVEN MAKING RENOVATIONS TO THE EXISTING, UH, THAT THEY DO NOW MATCH AND OUR ACCEPTABLE MATERIALS BOTH WINDOWS, UM, ALL THE FENESTRATION, ALL THE, THE WINDOW, THE WALL MATERIALS AS WELL.
UM, UH, AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, I DON'T KNOW AS, UH, CHIEF MARCUS AT THIS POINT, COULD WE MENTION IF THEY GO ABOUT WITH WOOD SIDING WINDOWS, COULD THIS PROPERTY BE DEEMED CONTRIBUTING? AND THEN COULD IT BE POTENTIALLY, UH, ELIGIBLE FOR TAX EXEMPTION IF THE WERE DONE IN 19? WE'LL NEED TO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH.
I, I WOULD HATE TO SAY RIGHT NOW, BUT MM-HMM
BUT, BUT YES, THE POTENTIAL WOULD BE IF THE WORK IS DONE CORRECTLY AND ALL THE DATES ARE RIGHT AND IT IS, IT COULD MM-HMM
JUST SOMETHING FOR THEM TO THINK ABOUT.
WELL, IT DOESN'T SHOW UP IN MAPS OR ANYTHING, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM.
IF, IF, IF IT WE CUT OUT A LITTLE BIT FROM 1903, IT SHOULD SHOW UP IN THE SAMPLE MAPS OR SOMETHING.
WELL I, UH, I THINK SHE JUST MENTIONED THAT, UM, MS. SIPES, DID YOU JUST SAY THAT IT WAS PLATTED THAT IN 1903 OR DID YOU SAY THE STRUCTURE WAS THERE? UM, IT SHOWS THAT WHEN I ASKED FOR A CERTIFIED PLAT, IT'S FROM BACK, IT'S DATED FOR 1905.
DCA SHOWS THAT THE STRUCTURE IS THERE SINCE 1931 IS WHAT DCA SHOWS.
IN A WAY IT LOOKS LIKE A SHOTGUN AND MAYBE WE SHOULD LONG NARROW SHOTGUN.
IT'S, IT'S SORT OF LIKE ONE AND WITH AN ADDITION IT WOULD GET EVEN LONGER AND THE SAME NARROWNESS
SO MORE SHOCK THAN, UM, SO DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER ADVICE IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO, DOES NOT GET APPROVAL TODAY
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AND COMES BACK WITH A MORE DETAILED THOUGHT OUT PLAN AND, AND READY MORE TO BUILD? WE'RE LOOKING, WE SEEM TO HAVE AN INHERENT DISAGREEMENT HERE BETWEEN ME AND COMMISSIONER RENO ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO LOOK LIKE THE REST OF THE HOUSES.AND I'M NOT STUCK ON MY SIDE SO I DON'T CARE.
BUT
SO DO WE WANNA MAKE A SUGGESTION ABOUT WHAT KIND OF, WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE SIDING IF WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER IT TO BE LESS A PART OF THE PUBLIC REALM BACK THERE? IF I COULD SAY SOMETHING.
I THINK WE NEED TO EXPLORE WHAT'S UNDERNEATH THE SIDINGS, UH, THE VINYL SIDING COORDINATE.
AND I RECOGNI RECOMMENDED THAT TO HER AS, AS AN OPTION AND SEE IF SHE MIGHT STILL HAVE SIDING UNDER THERE OR AT LEAST SO SHE CAN KNOW.
SHE MIGHT HAVE ROT UNDER THERE AND THEN SHE'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT TOO.
WELL, SHE WOULDN'T LIKE IT, BUT SHE SHOULD KNOW.
I THINK THAT ALSO WANTED TO MENTION DETAILS AS FAR AS THE SIDING WINDOWS, THE DOORS KIND OF NEEDS TO COORDINATE SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S AN APPROPRIATE ADDITION TO AN OLD HOUSE.
COMMISSIONER RENE? UH, JUST WANTED TO ALSO MENTION THAT THE, THE FRONT, UM, THE FRONT OF THE HOME LOOKS, UH, VERY UNUSUAL.
UH, THE TRUNCATED UE, UM, IT'S A HIP, BUT THEN THE, THE CORNERS HAVE BEEN TRUNCATED AND IT LOOKS AS IF THE, THE LIGHT HEIGHT IS ACTUALLY EVEN LOWER.
UH, IF, IF YOU'RE IN, SO MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
IF YOU'RE INSIDE THE HOME, DO YOU NOTICE THAT THE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING UP AT THE CEILING, THAT BOTH SIDES OF IT ARE ACTUALLY SLOPED AND THEN IT'S FLAT IN THE MIDDLE? UM, NO.
SO IT'S JUST ON THE FRONT PORCH THAT IT DOES THAT, UM, THAT'S WHAT, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'VE NOTICED OF IT ANYWAY.
YEAH, JUST THE FRONT, JUST A VERY UNUSUAL SHAPE.
IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING HAPPENED THAT THEY ALTERED THE, AND LIKE IT WAS A REPAIR DONE, AND THEY, BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE TRICAL.
MAYBE THERE WAS A DAMAGE AND LIKE A TREE HIT IT, PUT IT BACK TOGETHER.
I'M MOST CERTAIN AS FAR AS WHAT HAD HAPPENED IN ALONG THAT LINE OF IT.
UH, WE'VE BEEN IN THE MODE OF TRYING TO GIVE SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR A MORE COMPLETE PLAN AND DESCRIPTION OF IT FOR, FOR FUTURE EXPANSION, BUT THIS WAS A REQUEST TO GO WITH THE WHAT WAS SUBMITTED, AND I WILL NEED A, A MOTION RESPONDING TO THAT REQUEST FROM A COMMISSIONER.
WHICH COMMISSIONER SHALL IT BE? I WILL MAKE A MOTION.
IN THE CASE OF THE OBJECT, YOU, IF YOU WANNA JUST GO WITH WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDED, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SAY THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
OR IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE, THEN YOU SAY MORE DETAIL CASE OF CA 2 5 0 0 0 0 21 9 20 OH.
MOVE TO DENY WITH PREJUDICE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
DID WE LOSE YOU OR ARE YOU THINKING AND THE DETAILS OF THE WINDOWS THAT I'M TALKING, IF YOU'LL NOT, OKAY.
FOLLOWING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH MORE INFORMATION ON SIDING, WOOD, WINDOWS, THE ROOF TO MATCH THESIS INSTRUCTION.
AND YOU ARE FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THE REASONS THEY HAVE STATED.
I ADDED THAT FOR THE REASONS IT HAS AN ADVERSE EFFECT.
I'M APPROVING THE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, FOLLOWING THE RECOMMENDATION AND ADDING THOSE ADDITIONAL THINGS TO IT.
WELL, WE DON'T ADD ADDITIONAL THINGS TO DENIALS WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE, CAN I DO A FINDING FROM THAT CAN FINDING OF THE APPLICANT? CAN WE DO A FINDING OF FACT? WELL, THE FINDING EFFECT THAT THE STAFF HAS LISTED WOULD BE THAT THEY THINK THE CURRENT PROPOSED PLAN HAS AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I, I THOUGHT WE WERE TRYING TO GIVE, I THOUGHT WE WERE TRYING TO GIVE THE APPLICANT MORE INFORMATION, BUT I GUESS WE CAN'T.
WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING.
IT'S FOLLOWING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION PERIOD.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THIS MOTION?
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SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER RENO.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? OKAY.
JANET, YOU HAVE BEEN GREAT ABOUT THIS AND WE UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE QUITE A CHALLENGE AND WE WE'RE THRILLED YOU WANT TO KEEP THIS BUILDING WORKING AND TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER CONTRIBUTOR TO THE HOUSING IN DALLAS.
SO PLEASE LISTEN TO US AND ASK STAFF FOR HELP.
AND WE HOPE TO SEE YOU BACK WITH A, A PLAN WITH A BIT MORE DETAILS IN IT AND WHERE YOU CAN TELL US EXACTLY WHAT YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA DO AND THEN YOU'LL KNOW TOO AND HOW MUCH IT'LL COST.
YOU'LL KNOW, YOU'LL KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS.
WE DON'T CARE HOW MUCH IT COSTS, BUT YOU'LL KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS.
SO, UM, WE HOPE, WE HOPE YOU'LL KEEP WORKING ON THIS AND WE'LL SEE YOU BACK.
OKAY, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER SEVEN NOW.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS 26 15 PARK ROW IN THE SOUTH BOULEVARD PARK ROW, HISTORIC DISTRICT COA DASH 25 DASH 35.
AND I AM MARCUS WATSON PRESENTING THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION TO DEMOLISH THE MAIN STRUCTURE STANDARD, IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF DI DEMOLITION TO DEMOLISH THE MAIN STRUCTURE STANDARD IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY BE APPROVED WITH THE FINDINGS THAT THE STRUCTURE CONSTITUTES A DOCUMENTED MAJOR AND IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
THAT THE DEMOLITION OR REMOVAL IS REQUIRED TO ALLEVIATE THE THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
AND THAT THERE IS NO REASONABLE WAY OTHER THAN DEMOLITION OR REMOVAL TO ELIMINATE THE THREAT IN A TIMELY MANNER.
THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION THEREFORE MEETS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 H OR C TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, NO QUORUM MEMBERS PRESENT.
AGREE THAT DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE OF BENEFIT COMMUNITY 26 15 PARK ROW IS NOT A CONTRIBUTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE TO THE DISTRICT.
THE EXISTING ROOF PLACE, THE SPORT TUTOR GEOMETRY IN THE SEVENTIES, EIGHTIES.
THERE'S EVIDENCE OF A FIRE AND OTHER MAJOR STRUCTURAL ISSUES.
DALLAS CODE COMPLIANCES TAG THE BUILDING AS A HAZARD.
THE OWNER HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN BUILDING A NEW HOME THAT MEETS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ORDINANCE AFTER THE EXISTING BUILDING IS SYMBOL.
HEARING THESE FACTORS, WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT REMOVING AN UNSAFE STRUCTURE AND NON HISTORIC BUILDING WILL MAKE WAY FOR A NEW HOME THAT WILL ADD VALUE TO THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HIS COURT DISTRICT.
AND WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER ONLINE FOR THIS TERRY MARSAL.
SO SIR, WOULD YOU PLEASE, UM, UH, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND THEN YOUR PROMISE OR SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH? TERRY MARSAL 1 7 2 0 LACY LANE, MESQUITE, TEXAS PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
ALRIGHT, SIR, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW? TELL US ABOUT YOUR REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION OF THIS PHOTO.
WELL, I I JUST BASED ON WHAT SAID, THAT'S WHAT I HAD ANALYZED THROUGH MY ARCHITECT AND THE, UH, STRUCTURAL ENGINEER.
I'D LIKE TO MOVE WITH IT AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN GET SOMETHING THERE THAT I LIKE AND THAT YOU LIKE.
SO LET'S HAVE, UM, SEE WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS MIGHT HAVE TO ASK ABOUT COMMISSIONERS, WHICH COMMISSION WILL GO FIRST.
STAFF
WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UM, EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THEY FOUND ABOUT THIS HOUSE RELATED TO OTHER HOUSES IN THE AREA? YES, THIS WAS DONE, UH, I FORGET THE YEAR ON IT, 1980 SOMETHING.
AND, UH, EVEN THEN THEY WERE, THEY WERE COMMENTING ON THE FACT THAT THE ORIGINAL APPEARANCE OF, OF THE HOUSE WOULD'VE LOOKED MORE LIKE THE OTHER ONE THAT I INCLUDED THE TUDOR REVIVAL.
UM, BUT THAT THE, UH, AFTER THAT, THAT PREVIOUS FIRE THAT THE ROOF HAD BEEN RECONSTRUCTED AND THE COLUMNS CHANGED.
UM, SO I I INCLUDED THAT AS EVIDENCE THAT THE BUILDING HAD CHANGED FROM ITS ORIGINAL FORM.
UH, SO WE, WE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PRIMARY SOURCE ESSENTIALLY, OF SOMEONE WHO WENT OUT AND LOOKED IN 1980 FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT ARLINGTON AND SAW THIS HOUSE AS ALREADY NOT LIVING UP TO ITS ROLE, CONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND NOTED THE COLUMNS, THE BACK COLUMNS.
COMMISSIONER REEVES, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? NO, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
WELL, SORRY TO SAY YOUR, SAY ANYBODY ELSE HAVE SOMETHING TO ASK ABOUT.
AND IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT, ANYONE ELSE HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER SPEY IN REGARDS TO DISCUSSION ITEMS 7 2 6 1 5 PARK ROAD CO 8 2 5 0 0 0 0 3 5.
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I MOVE TO GRANT THE CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION TO DEMOLISH THE MAIN STRUCTURE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION.THANK COMMISSIONER RENO FOR YOUR SECOND.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.
ANDERSON, COULD WE ADD MS. ANDERSON? WOULD THE MOTION, UH, LOOK AT IT, UM, ADDING A COMMENT ABOUT THE STRUCTURE BEING ALTERED SIGNIFICANTLY AND NO LONGER BEING IN A CONTRIBUTE STATUS? UM, YEAH, I, I THINK I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
YEAH, ADDITIONAL FINDING OF FACT.
WHY IS IT NOT APPROPRIATE TO SAY THAT THE BUILDING IS RECENT, RECENT, I STOP BEFORE I FINISHED MY SENTENCE.
BUT 'CAUSE THEY ARE REQUESTING DEMOLITION ON THE GROUNDS OF IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY, THAT, THAT REQUIRES US TO LOOK PRIMARILY AT THE IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
BUT WE ALSO DO WANNA THROW IN, AT LEAST FOR THE RECORD, DEFINITELY THAT, THAT THE PROB THE HOUSE HAS ALSO HAS ITS OWN PROBLEMS ALREADY, BUT HAS MADE IT NOT GREAT CONTRIBUTED.
I JUST FEEL POLICY IS AGREED, IT'S IMPORTANT BE DEMOLISHED, THAT WE LOOK AT GIVING A RATIONALIZATION THAT THE BUILDING HAS BEEN ALTERED SIGNIFICANTLY, ASSEMBLE THE ORIGINAL BUILDING WHATSOEVER.
AND IN MY OPINION, THAT IS A REASON THAT I MAY APPROVE THIS OR MAY DENY IT.
AND COMMISSIONER SPEY HAS AGREED WITH YOU ON THAT.
AND I GUESS WE, WE DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THIS POOR HOUSE HAS SUFFERED A SERIES OF UNFORTUNATE EVENTS.
SOME OF THEM JUDGMENT CALLS ABOUT HOW TO FIX IT AFTER THE FIRST FIRE THAT WERE NOT THE JUDGMENT WE WISH THEY HAD MADE, AND SOME OF THEM JUST ANOTHER FIRE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE RIGORS OF, OF LIFE FOR A HOUSE.
IT'S A SAD TRAGEDY THAT WE LOST A HOUSE THAT ONCE WAS A LOVELY CONTRIBUTING HOUSE, BUT IT'S NOT.
NOW THERE'S A POINT AT WHICH IS HARD TO GET THEM BACK.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE ARE HEADED IN THIS DIRECTION WHERE WE HATE, HATE TO SEE A, A HOUSE IN A HISTORIC HISTORY GET KNOCKED DOWN, BUT AT A CERTAIN POINT WE HAVE TO GIVE UP EVEN AND SAY WE COULD BE BETTER WITH SOMETHING NEW ALL.
SO THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ALRIGHT, SO YOUR MOTION IS APPROVED AND, UM, WORK WITH STEPH AND YOU CAN MOVE ON WITH YOUR WORK.
WE DO HOPE TO SEE YOU BACK SOMEDAY WITH THE PLAN FOR A HOUSE TO REPLACE IT, THAT WE'LL BRING BACK WHAT THIS HOUSE ONCE CONTRIBUTED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'D LOVE TO SEE THAT, THAT WORKING.
WELL, I'LL HAVE IT SOON FOR YOU.
I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER PEL, YOU NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE IN THE ORDER.
WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE JOINED ONLINE.
SO I MOVE THAT WE ALTER THE AGENDA TO, UH, NEXT TAKE DISCUSSION.
ITEM SIX, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEMS 14, 15, AND 16.
AND THEN MOVE TWO AND THREE TO THE BACK.
UH, YES, TWO AND THREE, AND THEN 17 AND 19.
OKAY, SO WE'LL NOW TAKE 6, 13, 14, 15, AND 16.
I KNOW IT'S, IT'S JUST 6 14, 15, 16, AND THEN WE'LL DO TWO THROUGH 13.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER PRESI.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, SO IT, CARRIE, SO NEXT UP WE WILL HEAR DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER SIX.
RHONDA DUNN, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF, UH, FOR INTRODUCING DISCUSSION ITEM D SIX.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 2326 DEATH STREET.
UH, THE AREA IS QUEEN CITY, IT'S UNDER PRE DESIGNATION MORATORIUM.
THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 DASH 1 26.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A REAR TWO CAR GARAGE.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT IT WAIT, HOLD ON.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A REAR TWO CAR GARAGE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 27 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT PAIRED WINDOWS BE SEPARATED BY A MILLION IEA TRIM PIECE WITH A
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MINIMUM WIDTH OF FOUR INCHES WIDE.TWO, THAT FOUNDATION HEIGHT BE A MINIMUM OF 15 INCHES ABOVE GRADE THREE, THAT ROOF RAFTER TAILS BE EXPOSED.
FOUR, THAT EXTERIOR LIGHTING BE CRAFTSMAN STYLE AND FIVE THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS VIA BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH FOUR, THAT 5 0 1 SUBSECTION D FIVE B FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH A SEX STRUCTURE.
EVERY REAR TWO CAR GARAGE BE APPROVED FOR FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND COMMONS ONE PAIRED WINDOWS ON FRONT PORCH AND THE MALL IN BETWEEN THEM TWO FOUNDATION SHOULD BE RAISED 15 INCHES.
THREE, A LURE VENT SHOULD BE ADDED TO ABOVE THE PORT AND NAME GABLE.
FOUR RAFTER TAIL SHOULD BE ADDED ENOUGH OVERHANGS, FIVE, EXTERIOR LIGHTING AND CRAFTSMAN STYLE.
SIX DIMENSIONS OF TRIM AROUND REAR DOOR APPEARED BE, BUT ALL RIGHTY.
AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER ONLINE ON THIS.
JOSEPH RAY, WE DO NEED TO SEE YOU ON THE CAMERA.
HE MUST ALL AWAY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SEE HIM YET OR NOT.
MR. RAY, ARE YOU THERE? I'M HERE, YES, I'M HERE.
AND DO YOU HAVE THE CAMERA ON YET? YES, CAMERA'S ON ON MY SIDE.
THEY, THEY HID ALL THE SPEAKERS, SO I CAN'T ACTUALLY TELL WHO'S ON, THAT'S ALL.
HE CAN Y GOOD, CAN Y'ALL SEE ME? ALL RIGHT.
WE NEED YOU TO START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOUR PROMISE OR YOUR SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
NAME IS JOSEPH RAY ADDRESS, 2326 DAVE STREET, AND I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
I SEE WHAT A NICE MUSTACHE OF BEARD YOU HAVE THERE.
A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, NO, GO AHEAD AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT
SO THIS IS A, UM, IT'S A THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH, UM, EIGHT FOOT CEILING.
IT'S GOING TO, IT'S IN THE QUEENS, UM, IT'S IN THE, WHAT IS IT, QUEEN DISTRICT, UM, WHICH WHAT I'M TOLD, YEAH, QUEEN CITY, WHICH IS A FAIRLY NEW, UM, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY NEW.
UM, AND I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE, SO, UM, I KIND OF KNEW WHAT THE CRITERIA WAS.
SO, UM, YEAH, SO PRETTY MUCH SEE THE PLANS.
UM, WE HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE BACK, UH, 10 FOOT DRIVEWAY OUT TO THE RIGHT SIDE THAT GIVES YOU ACCESS TO THE GARAGE AND USING ALL THE SAME MATERIALS I USED ON THE, UM, ON THE PREVIOUS, UH, PROJECTS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE DOOR HANDLE, WE CHANGED THE DOOR HANDLE.
UM, I PUT IT IN MY MATERIAL SHEET.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT, BUT THE, UH, FRONT DOOR.
OH, ARE YOU DONE, SIR? I DIDN'T KNOW.
OKAY, LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT? COMMISSIONER RENO? YEAH, UM, I, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANNA SAY I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE CHANGES YOU'VE MADE.
I, I THINK, UH, UM, YOU'VE, YOU'VE DONE A LOT TO, UH, TO GET IT TO BE EXACTLY THE WAY WE DESCRIBED IT THE LAST TIME.
SO, SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THAT.
UM, THERE ARE JUST TWO OR ONE MORE DETAIL, UM, THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS.
I WAS LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF THE OTHER HOMES AND COUNTING THE, THE NUMBER OF BRICKS THAT THE, THAT THE BASES ARE TALL ON THE, UH, ON THE TWO, UH, UH, COLUMNS FOR THE PORCH.
AND THE SUGGESTION I'D LIKE TO MAKE THERE IS THAT, UM, THE TOP OF THE, THE CAP BE THREE FEET FROM THE, FROM THE FLOOR OF THE PORCH AND HEIGHT AND THAT, UM, TO REPLACE IN, IN LIEU OF THE ROW LOCK, WHICH YOU DID A LITTLE, UH, CAST CONCRETE CAP FOR IT MM-HMM
BUT THAT'S, THAT WAS A TYPICAL DETAIL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.
OTHERWISE, I THINK YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT A, AN EXEMPLARY, UH, PROPOSAL.
IT APPEARS THAT THE OVERHANGS ARE A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT LIGHT.
I, I MAY, I JUST SEE IN THIS PICTURE, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
WHAT IS THE OVERHANG ON ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE? YOU KNOW, THE, THE
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OVERHANG? YEAH, THE LOOK FROM THE GO TO THE FRONT FACADE AGAIN, PLEASE.THEY SEEM TO BE A LITTLE LIGHT AND MAYBE IT'S HARD THIS PICTURE.
YEAH, THE OVERHANGS, UM, I'M NOT SURE OF THE EXACT MEASUREMENTS, BUT ME AND THE ARCHITECT WENT OUT THERE, SO WHATEVER THOSE ARE, IT'S WHAT'S ALREADY IN THAT, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE HE, HE DID MEASUREMENTS OF SEVERAL HOMES.
IT DOES SEEM THAT IN THE PATIENT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT SLIGHT, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND IF NOT, I HAVE A MOTION.
HAVE WE LOST OUR SCREENS? DOES EVERYBODY AT HOME STILL SEE EACH OTHER?
WE'RE BACK THEN, IT'S JUST US AND WE'RE OFFICIALLY STILL ON.
WE JUST, WE'RE COMING BACK NOW.
WE HAVE RETRIEVED OUR SCREENS, SO WE'RE READY TO GO.
COMMISSIONER RENO, SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION.
IN REGARD TO DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER SIX, UM, 2 3 2 6 DAY STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS CA, COA DASH 25 DASH, UM, 0 0 0 1 2 6 THAT WE APPROVE, UH, FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND THE CONDITIONS WITH THE, UM, ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT THE BRICK PORTION OF THE, UH, TWO FRONT PORCH COLUMNS BE, UM, AT A HEIGHT OF, OR THE BASE, THE BRICK BASE BE THREE FEET OFF OF THE FINISHED FLOOR AND THAT THE, THEIR CAPS BE, UH, CAST ON OR CAST CONCRETE.
SECOND, I BELIEVE OUR SECOND CAME FROM COMMISSIONER REEVES.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, THEN I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED THIS MOTION? ALL RIGHTY.
WELL THEN, MR. RAY, YOU HAVE YOUR APPROVAL AND I'M SURE YOU UNDERSTAND ALL THE CONDITIONS, BUT OF COURSE STAFF CAN HELP YOU WITH REVIEWING ANY OF THEM AND UH, WE WISH YOU LUCK ON YOUR BUILDING PROJECT.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH ALRIGHTYY.
SO NEXT, ACCORDING TO OUR REVISED SCHEDULE IS 14.
YES, CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 14, 3 0 7 NORTH WILLETTE AVENUE, WINNETKA HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 25 66.
REQUEST NUMBER ONE, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT THE MAIN STRUCTURE, UH, THE FOLLOWING COLORS FOR THE BODY.
SHERWIN WILLIAMS W 77 47 RECYCLED GLASS.
AND FOR THE TRIM, SHERWIN WILLIAMS, W 75 31 CANVAS 10.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR NUMBER REQUEST NUMBER ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A REAR EDITION BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 7 7 20 25.
THE WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87 1 11 A TWO.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS REHABIL FOR REHABILITATION.
RECOMMENDATION FOR REQUEST NUMBER TWO THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE PAINT COLORS OF MAIN STRUCTURE BODY SHERWIN WILLIAMS, W 77 47 RECYCLED GLASS AND TRIM, SHERWIN WILLIAMS, W 75 31 CANVAS TAN BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS DATED 7 7 20 25.
THE WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 51 P DASH 87 1 11 A EIGHT.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A REAR EDITION BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE EDITION IS NOT HISTORICALLY COMPATIBLE.
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NOTE REVISIONS WERE MADE TO REFLECT TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION ITEM TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE PAINT COLORS BE APPROVED, INCLUDE PHOTOS OF NARRATING HOUSES TWO NEXT DOOR AND THREE ACROSS THE STREET.ALRIGHT, AND WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER PRESENT, VICTOR TAPIA TAPIA, WELL, I'LL LET YOU PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME WHEN YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE OR YOUR SWORN THAT YOU WILL TELL THE TRUTH.
I'M THE, UM, OWNER OF 3 0 7 NORTH WILLMAN AVENUE IN AKA HEIGHTS.
AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
ALRIGHT, SIR, UH, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES IF YOU'D LIKE TO TELL US ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR PROJECT THAT WILL HELP US UNDERSTAND OR APPROVE IT.
UM, YEAH, FOR THIS FIRST ONE, UM, IT'S, UH, AS MENTIONED BY CHRISTINA AND IN HER INTRODUCTION, IT'S IN ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THE MAIN DWELLING.
UH, THE FRONT FACADE, UH, AND THE SIDES OF THE HOME WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED.
SO THE EXISTING FRONT, THERE'S NO CHANGES PLANNED.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 279 ADDITIONAL SQUARE FEET TO THE, TO THE HOME.
UM, AND OF COURSE, UH, STILL COMPLYING WITH THE, UH, LOT COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, AND THE PLANS WERE, WERE, UH, PROPOSING TO KEEP THE SAME EXISTING, UH, SIDING OF THE HOME, UM, AND THE WINDOWS TO MATCH HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, ALL WOOD WINDOWS, UM, AND EVERYTHING TO BE AS, AS, UM, AS PLANNED ON THE, ON THE PROPOSAL FOR, FOR THE COLORS AS WELL, THE CHANGE THERE THAT THE SWATCHES I THINK WERE PROVIDED.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PACKET OF INFORMATION, I'M HAPPY TO TO ANSWER THOSE.
COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? I COMMISSIONERS AT HOME? ANYBODY? OKAY, THEN DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION? MR. PREZI? I GET THE CORRECT ADDRESS THERE,
YOU WANNA GET IT RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
UH, SO IN THE MATTER OF 3 0 7 NORTH LITTLE MET AVENUE, UH, NUMBER CO A DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 0 6 6, UH, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR C CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
SECOND, IF WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER REEVES.
COMMENTS? I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE THE APPLICANT.
I I UNDERSTAND YOU WANTED A BIGGER ADDITION AND WE DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T, YOU WERE TOLD THAT MIGHT NOT WORK, BUT YOU SEEM TO HAVE ADDED A LOT OF CONVENIENCE AND, AND HELP, YOU KNOW, MADE THIS HOUSE A LOT BETTER JUST BY ADDING A LITTLE BIT.
SO THAT WAS VERY CLEVER THE WAY THAT WAS DONE.
UM, DID WE TALK OR DID WERE, UM, WAS THERE ANOTHER SET OF DRAWINGS THAT SHOWED OPEN RAPTORS ON THE RAPTOR TAILS ON THE ADDITION? OH, THERE WASN'T.
UH, REMEMBER, UH, VICTOR, YOU TOLD ME THAT WE COULD PUT IT IN A CONDITION 'CAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR ARCHITECT RIGHT NOW, SO IF, IF YOU WANT TO ADD THAT AS A FRIENDLY CONDITION OKAY, THEN WE CAN, YEAH.
HE'S VERY, AND YOU COULD ALSO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF DO WE WALK YEAH.
THREE COLORS OR TWO COLORS IN THE PAINT NUMBER'S.
ITEM NUMBER ONE? YEAH, NUMBER ONE IS, IS THE ADDITION FIRST? THE ADDITION FIRST? SO IT WAS JUST OPEN WRAPPER TAILS THAT WOULD, HE WANTED TO INCLUDE THAT BECAUSE THE DRAWINGS DON'T REFLECT IT.
OPEN WRAP TAILS ON THE ADDITION.
COMMISSIONER RAVES, DO YOU APPROVE OF THAT OR YES, YES.
I APPROVE COMMISSIONER PRE MR. MOTION ONLY FOR, FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE OR FOR BOTH? I WAS DOING IT FOR BOTH, BUT DO WE NEED TO SEPARATE IT? NO, NO, WE DON'T HAVE TO.
NO, BUT IF YOU WANNA ADD, IF THERE'S ANY CONDITIONS ON NUMBER TWO, THEN YOU NEED TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.
SO WE ADDED A CONDITION FOR NUMBER ONE, WHICH WAS THE OPEN TALES.
DIDN'T HAVEN'T WE DISCUSSED THE, IS MORE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A A, AN ACCIDENT COLOR? WE DID.
AND UM, VICTOR, DO YOU RECALL OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE THREE PAINT COLORS VERSUS THE TWO? DID YOU AND, UM, YOUR WIFE HAVE A CHANCE
SO, UH, IF A THIRD ONE, ANOTHER SHERWIN
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WILLIAMS HISTORIC, IT'S MIDNIGHT NAVY WOULD BE THE THIRD OPTION.IT'S IS ALSO PART OF THEIR HISTORIC, UH, UH, PRESERVATION LINE.
UH, THE SAME, AND THAT WOULD BE THE ACCENT COLOR, LIKE FOR ALL THE LITTLE, UH, THE TAILS AND THE CORRECT THE SASH IS, AND SO I CAN BRING THAT UP, RIGHT? BUT JUST SO WE CAN, WHAT IS THE, WHAT'S THE PAINT NUMBER FROM WHAT, UH, I JUST, DO YOU HAVE THE PAINT, UH, PAINT NUMBER? GIMME ONE SECOND.
IT'S W I'M READY WHEN YOU ARE.
MIDNIGHT NAVY, MIDNIGHT NAVY OR MIDNIGHT BLUE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M, I, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
IT'S, IT IS PART OF THE HISTORIC, UH, LINE THAT THEY HAVE.
SO SOME, A TOUGH TIME FINDING THAT ONE RIGHT NOW ON THE SITE.
LET'S SEE, UH, MOSCOW MIDNIGHT.
DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR? SOUNDS FAMILIAR.
I BELIEVE THIS ONE IS IN THE, IS IN THE HISTORIC, UH, WHAT COLOR IS THIS GUY GO UP? NEEDLE POINT NAVY.
YES, WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE.
I'LL PULL IT UP FOR EVERYONE TO SEE.
AND WHAT'S THE NUMBER IT IS OR JUST 0 0 3 2.
SO THIS IS FOR THE ACCENT COLOR THAT DOES LOOK LIKE NEIL POINT.
OKAY, WELL THEN I'LL AMEND MY MOTION THAT FOR THE PAINT THAT THE THIRD ACCENT COLOR WILL BE, UM, SHERMAN WILLIAMS 0 0 3 2 NEEDLE POINT NAME SECONDS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, THEN I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THIS MOTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
IT APPEARS THAT THIS HAS CARRIED SUCCESSFULLY.
SO OFF YOU GO AND ENJOY WORKING ON YOUR HOUSE.
STAY AND TALK ABOUT THE REST OF IT, BUT YOU CAN ADD ON THE BACK OF YOUR HOUSE AND PAINT IT SO YOU KNOW, WHATEVER ELSE HAPPENS.
WE NEED YOU TO STICK AROUND FOR DISCUSSION.
ITEM NUMBER 15 WITH STAFF TEAM AND 16.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 15 3 0 7 NORTH WILLMAN AVE, WINKA HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 25 DASH 0 0 0 0 7 4.
REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ACCESSORY BUILDING IN REAR YARD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ACCESSORY BUILDING IN REAR YARD BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 7 7 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
RIDGE HEIGHT IS NOT HIGHER THAN THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND SIDING MATCHES THE EXISTING WOOD SIDING OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87 11 A ONE, THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ACCESSORY BUILDING IN THE REAR YARD BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, NOT HISTORICALLY COMPATIBLE.
THIS SHOULD ALSO HAVE A NOTE BECAUSE THESE ARE NOW NEW PLANS FROM WHAT TASK FORCE SAW.
SO MR. TAPIO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS, THIS REQUEST? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
SO THIS IS, UM, ADDING ON TO THE, UH, A GARAGE IN THE BACK.
UM, THIS GARAGE WOULD HAVE A, A SECONDARY STORY AS WELL.
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UM, THE TOTAL GARAGE AREA, UM, IS, UH, IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, UH, WITH THE LOT COVERAGE OF THE HOME, THE STICKING WITH 35% INCLU INCLUSION OF THE, OF THE, UH, MAIN DWELLING.UM, SO THIS WOULD BE, UH, THE, THE BUILDING OF, UH, A ONE STORE, UH, ONE CAR GARAGE AND THEN UPSTAIRS, UH, LIKE A LOFT AREA WITH A, WITH A, WITH A, UM, UH, AS I MENTIONED, UM, UH, MATCHING THE EXISTING SIDING AS CHRISTINA MENTIONED IN HER OVERVIEW.
UM, AND, AND, UH, THE COLORS THAT WE JUST APPROVED AS WELL.
UM, AND ALSO THE, THE WINDOWS TO MATCH THE EXISTING, UH, HOME, HOME STRUCTURE, WHICH BE ALLWOOD AS WELL.
ALRIGHT, QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? I'VE GOT A QUESTION, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO ADDING, UM, TWO WINDOWS TOWARD THE, THE BACKYARD SIDE BASICALLY ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BED? UH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
YEAH, TODAY IN THAT SIDE THERE ARE NONE, BUT AB ABSOLUTELY THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD LOOK REALLY NICE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HAVE WE, UM, CLARIFIED THE ISSUE OF WHETHER THIS AS PROPOSED WILL END UP BEING TALLER THAN THE HOUSE? OH, UM, VICTOR, REMIND ME, PER OUR CONVERSATION, DID YOU TELL ME THAT THE, THE CORRECT RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE IS 24 FEET? WHAT WAS THAT? DO YOU RECALL? REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE GARAGE AND I TOLD YOU YOU MIGHT HAVE TO, UH, SHORTEN IT BECAUSE IT'S CURRENTLY 22 POINT SOMETHING, CORRECT? CORRECT.
BUT THEN YOU SAID, UH, THE ARCHITECT OR SOMEBODY GOT BACK TO YOU AND THE, THE ACTUAL HEIGHT OF THE H MAIN STRUCTURES AROUND 24 FEET.
DO YOU, IS THAT THE RIGHT NUMBER OR DO YOU HAVE THAT? LET ME CONFIRM.
I KNOW I SENT YOU A NOTE WITH, YEAH, LET ME SEE.
UM, I REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT WAS 24 INCHES, UM, UHHUH, WHICH I THINK WE, WE AGREED THAT WOULD, THAT MATCHES THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
BUT YEAH, THE IDEA WAS THAT IT WOULD MATCH THE EXISTING HOME.
SO LET ME SEE,
LET SEE, LET ME SEE IF YOU NOTE THE, LET, I'M SEEING 20 POINT 20, 20.2 IN THE PLANS OF EXISTING IN THE MAIN OF THE HOME, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO, BUT I I DIDN'T KNOW, I THOUGHT YOU TOLD ME YOU MIGHT NEED TO CHECK IF THAT'S CORRECT WITH THE ARCHITECT BECAUSE UM, IF THE NEW BUILD WILL BE 22 FEET, THAT WILL BE HIGHER THAN THE YEAH.
SO, SO I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW.
SO THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT WHAT IT WOULD MATCH THE, THIS EXACT RIDGE OF THE HOME.
I NEED TO CONFIRM WITH HIM IF IT'S 20 OR 22.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT WAS WHY MY CONDITION WAS VAGUE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE EXACT HEIGHT OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THAT THE ACCESSORY BUILDING WAS NOT TALLER THAN THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
UM, SO, ALRIGHT, SO WE STILL DON'T KNOW, BUT EVERYONE NOW UNDERSTANDS THAT IT MUST NOT BE TALLER THAN THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
ALRIGHT, IF NO ONE HAS ANY MORE QUESTIONS, DO THEY HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION.
UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 15, UH, 3 0 7 NORTH WILLAMETTE AVENUE, ALSO KNOWN AS COA DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 7 4, THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND, UM, GREW WITH CONDITIONS AS STATED.
YOU WANNA WITH THE ADDITION? YEAH.
WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION OF ADDING TWO, UM, VERTICAL WINDOWS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE, UH, OF THE BEDROOM ON THE SECOND FLOOR, UH,
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OF THE BED.THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER REEVES.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? I, I CAN CALL FOR A VOTE ON THIS ONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
APPEARS THAT IS ALSO CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY AND HAVING A APPROVED AND ACCESSORY BUILDING THAT WE THINK WILL BE COMPATIBLE, WE CAN NOW ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF GETTING RID OF THE OLD ONE.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 16 3 0 7 NORTH WILLETTE AVE, WINKA HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 25 0 0 0 0 7 3 REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION TO DEMOLISH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITH THE STANDARD REPLACE WITH THE MORE APPROPRIATE AND COMPATIBLE STRUCTURE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPRO, EXCUSE ME, CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION TO DEMOLISH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BE APPROVED.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH FINDING, WITH THE, FINDING THE FACT THAT THE WORK MEETS STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 H FOUR C TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION TO DEMOLISH THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION PROVIDED TO DETERMINE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND AID.
ALRIGHT, MR. TAPIA, ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY ABOUT THE, UH, OLD GARAGE THAT YOU DON'T WANT ANYMORE OR ITS EXISTING CONDITION? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS INITIALLY A SHED.
AND THEN WHEN, WHEN, UH, WHEN I PURCHASED A HOME IN 2019, THEY, THEY DECIDED TO, TO KEEP THE STRUCTURE AND JUST KIND OF, I TRIED TO RENOVATE IT, UH, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY REALLY RENOVATE THE INTERIOR CONDITIONS, THE FOUNDATION, AND THEN ESPECIALLY THE SIDE THAT IS, UH, NEXT TO THE FENCE.
UH, IT ALSO DOESN'T MEET THE CURRENT, UM, UH, REQUIREMENTS FROM A SETBACK PERSPECTIVE.
UM, AND, AND PART OF THE REASON IS, UH, THAT THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO, TO REPAIR OR RE RESTORE THAT AREA, WHICH IS PART OF THE, ONE OF THE KEY AREAS THAT'S CAUSING ISSUES WITH THE MOLD AND THE OVER DETERIORATING, DETERIORATING WOOD STRUCTURE AND WHAT, AND INTERIOR.
UM, SO ULTIMATELY THE, THE PROPOSAL IS TO BE ABLE TO, UH, TO MOVE THAT, UH, TO A PROPER SETBACK TO COMPLY WITH THEIR, WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS, UM, PER THE, THEIR PRIOR C UH, CA THAT WE, THAT WAS APPROVED.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, I I'M NOT ABLE TO, THERE'S, THERE'S NO WAY TO REPAIR THAT SIDE, UH, OR THE INTERIOR, UM, WITHOUT REMOVING THE FENCE OF THE NEIGHBOR AND THE NEIGHBOR IS UNWILLING TO DO SO.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR A MOTION? COMMISSIONER REEVES, I MOVE IN THE CASE OF, UH, THIS IS THE 3 0 7, RIGHT? THIS IS, UH, THREE OH, DISCUSSION ON NUMBER 16, THE THIRD ONE ABOUT 3 0 7 NORTH WILLAMETTE.
3 0 7 NORTH, UH, WILLAMETTE AVENUE, UH, COA 2 5 0 0 0 0 7 3 THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
UH, AND BECAUSE OF THE, THE SUPPORTING REASON THEY GAVE THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE FINDING THAT THE WORK MEETS THE STANDARDS.
ALRIGHT, ANY SECOND? SECOND, SECONDED.
THANK COMMISSIONER RENO FOR YOUR SECOND, UH, THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, MR. TAPIA, CONGRATULATIONS.
YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED ON EACH AND EVERY REQUEST,
I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S TIME THIS AFTERNOON, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR CHRISTINA FOR WORKING WITH US.
REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT THROUGHOUT ALL THIS.
SO CHRISTINA, SEE YOU'VE GOTTA APPRECIATE IT TODAY.
OKAY, NEXT IS DISCUSSION ITEM TWO, WHICH IS FAIR PARK.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING DISCUSSION.
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PROPERTY IS CITED AT 37 50 COTTON BOWL PLAZA IN THE FAIR PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 0 0 0 0 6 8.
SINCE EVERYBODY ELSE IS SAYING THE ZEROS, OKAY.
THE REQUEST FOR THE RECORD, WE'VE BEEN TOLD WE CAN JUST SAY DASH 68.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE AN EXISTING MATURE TREE TOTAL ONE TREE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE AN EXISTING MATURE TREE TOTAL ONE TREE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH ITS SPECIFICATIONS DATED 5 27 20 25, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT A MITIGATION PLAN BE PREPARED AND EXECUTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DALLAS CITY CODE.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH ARTICLE 10 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE DIVISION 51 A DASH 10.1 HUNDRED TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS.
THIS IS NECESSARY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE STADIUM'S RENOVATION PROJECT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPEAKER HERE.
I, I CAN'T BELIEVE MR. ALSO DIDN'T SHOW UP.
HE LOVES TO VISIT US USUALLY, SO YEAH, WE ARE ON OUR OWN.
SO STEPH, COULD YOU CLARIFY WHAT EXACTLY TREE, THIS PROBLEM THIS TREE IS CAUSING THERE, THAT'S WHERE THE PROCESS IS GONNA BE OR THEY CAN'T GET THE EQUIPMENT IN PAST IT.
THEY CAN'T GET THE EQUIPMENT IN IS WHAT I WAS TOLD.
THEY WERE ATTEMPTING TO STAGE THE EQUIPMENT AND THEY NEEDED TO BRING IN A CRANE.
AND INITIALLY WHEN THEY CALLED ME, THEY WERE TRYING TO BRING IT IN FROM THE NORTH SIDE AND THEY TOLD ME THERE WERE MULTIPLE TREES AND I WAS LIKE, NO, NO, NO, NO.
BUT MULTIPLE TREES THAT NEEDED TO BE REMOVED.
SO I SAID, NO, NO, NO, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.
SO WHEN THEY CAME BACK THEY SAID, OKAY, WE CAN BRING IT IN FROM THE SOUTH AND IN THAT CASE WE ONLY HAVE TO REMOVE ONE TREE.
YOU SEE WHAT THEY DID THERE TO YOU? YEAH.
YEAH, BECAUSE THEN IT WAS, WELL, DO WE HAVE TO REMOVE THE TREE AND RELOCATE THE TREE?
AND SO, YES, SO WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS AND I'VE BEEN TRYING HARD TO SAVE THIS TREE.
OKAY, WELL WE THAT WHILE I'M AT STAY ON SAVING TREES, SO WE'LL JUST SEE
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? JUST AN OBSERVATION.
SO, UM, BECAUSE THE, THE PHOTOGRAPHS SUBMITTED WITH THE, IN THE DOCKET THERE'S ONE TREE AND THEN I WENT ON GOOGLE STREET VIEW AND THERE WERE TWO TREES AND IT LOOKS LIKE ONE HAS DIED AND OH, IN THE RECENT, RECENT PAST.
UH, THEN ALSO IN STREET VIEW, IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THEY WERE THAT OLD.
MAYBE, MAYBE 10 YEARS OR SO, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THE LOSS OF A YOUNG TREE IS NOT AS BAD AS THE LOSS FROM TREE, JUST THE OPPOSITE OF THE HUMANS.
ALRIGHT, WELL, DOES ANYONE HAVE A FURTHER QUESTION OR A MOTION? AND DOES ANYONE WANNA CONSIDER GOING IN THAT THEY SHOULD DO SOME REMEDIATION ABOUT THIS? I'M SURE THEY WANT TO PLAN ANOTHER TREE WHEN THIS IS ALL GOING, BUT WELL, YEAH, I KNOW IF THEY FOLLOW, UM, A TREE ORDINANCE, THEY WILL HAVE TO PLANT MULTIPLE TREES TO REPLACE THAT ONE.
SO WE GET, WE LOSE ONE TREE AND WE GET MULTIPLE TREES.
DO YOU EVER WANNA GO HOME? I NEED A MOTION.
AH, I THOUGHT THAT WOULD GET YOU GOING.
UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, BRIEF 7 5 0 COTTON BOWL PLAZA, UM, ALSO KNOWN AS SEAT OA DASH 25 DASH 68 THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND, UM, AND THEIR CONDITIONS.
WAS THAT FIRST SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER REEVES? ALL RIGHTY.
THERE ARE NO ALRIGHT, I, I ASSUME WE HAVE NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS.
SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
PLEASE LET THE PEOPLE AT FAIR PARK
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KNOW THEY CAN PROCEED WITH THEIR WORK.DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER THREE, EAST SIDE AFFIDAVIT.
OKAY, CHRISTINA PRESS ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 3 56 0 1 EAST SIDE AVE.
JUNIORS HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 25 91.
REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE SUBMITTED.
UM, ONE WHICH IS PLAN A OR SUBMISSION NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS PLAN B AUXILIARY OH OH OH.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR THE FIRST SUBMITTED PLANS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE TO INSTALL SOLAR PANEL SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE PER SUBMITTED PLANS, A BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE PROPOSED WORK WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE HISTORIC DI DISTRICT N IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 6.4, CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR RE REHABILITATION STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE PER SUBMITTED PLANS B BE APPROVED.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRES PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 6.4, CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
AND I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT PLANS A, BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE THREE PLANS.
PLANS A ARE FOR SOLAR, ALL ON THE BEACON STREET SIDE B IS FOR ALL OF THEM ON THE INTERIOR SIDE.
AND NOW WE HAVE A THIRD ONE THAT HAS KIND OF ON BOTH.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WANNA ADDRESS THAT AS FAR AS WE DO HAVE TO ESTABLISH WHEN WE MAKE THE MOTION.
WHICH PLAN A, B, OR C, THE ONE THAT ARRIVED TODAY WITH SOME ON EACH SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE.
TALKING ABOUT CHRISTINA DID, UH, UH, SEPARATE HER HER RECOMMENDATION OUT SO THAT THERE WAS VERY, IT WAS VERY OBVIOUS THAT ONE OVER ANOTHER WAS OUR PREFERENCE, BUT SINCE IT'S ONE REQUEST, ONE MOTION WILL BE FINE IF YOU JUST GIVE THEM, BUT WE HAVE TO AND WHICH ONE YOU CHOOSE? SAY WHICH ONE WE MEAN.
AND MAYBE EVEN DESCRIBE WITH THE PANELS ON THIS AND THIS OR THIS.
TASK FORCE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT OH YES, YOU'RE READING THAT.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL SOLAR PANELS ON ROOF OF MAIN STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE FOR SECTION 6.9 PANELS SHOULD NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC WAY.
DID YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION WHILE YOU'RE ON MIC? SOMEBODY? YOU'VE GOT THREE, THREE ONES TO CHOOSE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE HERE, RIGHT? NO, THERE, THERE'S NO ONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE.
DO I NEED TO BRING THE THREE BACK UP? YEAH, BRING THE THREE BACK UP SO WE CAN BE LOOKING AT THEM.
IT SOUNDS, SOUNDS MORE DILIGENT THAT WAY.
EVEN THOUGH WE ALL KNOW
OKAY, SO IN THE DOCKET, SO WE'RE CLEAR, LET ME FIND PLAN A, HERE WE GO.
THE ONE WITH ALL THE PANELS ON THE BEACON STREET SIDE.
UM, AND THEN N THAT'S THE INITIAL ONE THEY WANTED TO GO FOR.
SO THAT IS WHAT WAS PUT IN THE DOCKET BECAUSE, UM, OKAY, SO PLAN A, THEY'RE ALL ON THE SIDE FACING B SIDE STREET.
AND HERE'S PLAN B, HERE'S A RENDERING OF PLAN B.
THEY SUBMITTED THE ACTUAL, UH, ENGINEERING ONES THIS MORNING, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, ALL THE PANELS ARE NOW ON THE INTERIOR SIDE ALMOST COVERING MOST OF THE 50%.
UH, IT'S A LITTLE FORWARD BUT IT'S BEHIND.
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THEN LET ME PULL UP THE ONE THAT YOU JUST GOT THIS MORNING.OKAY, SO HERE IS PLAN C, WE'LL CALL IT.
AND NOW THEY'RE ON THE HIDDEN SIDE MOSTLY, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE ON THE SIDEWAYS STREET.
OKAY, SO THOSE ARE OUR THREE OPTIONS.
WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION AND SPECIFY WHAT OPTION, IF ANY WE WOULD APPROVE, DENY 'EM ALL SOMETHING.
YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION FIRST.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, WHAT DOES THE ORDINANCE SAY ABOUT WHERE THEY COULD BE, SHOULD BE LOCATED OUT OF THE PUBLIC WAY IN, IN THE REAR 50% BOTTOM LINE.
SO ONE OF THEM FULFILLS THAT AND THE OTHER TWO DO NOT, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER THREE, UM, 5 6 0 1 EAST SIDE AVENUE, ALSO KNOWN AS COA DASH 25 DASH NINE ONE, UM, THAT WE APPROVED LAND B SHOWING SOLAR PANELS ON SIDES OPPOSITE FROM STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS THE NORTHEAST REAR QUARTER OF THE ROW.
OKAY, I THINK COMMISSIONER HOSA GOT THERE FIRST THIS TIME TO SECOND.
SO WHO'S THE SECOND ON THIS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED THIS MOTION? ALRIGHT, STAFF WILL LET THE APPLICANT KNOW WHAT OUR DECISION WAS.
OKAY, SO NEXT IS 13, WHICH IS ME.
OKAY, CHRISTINA PRESS ON BEHALF OF STAFF AGAIN.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 13 3 11 SOUTH ROSEMONT AVE, AKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 25 DASH 1 0 3.
REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NINE FOOT CEDARWOOD FENCE IN SOUTH SIDE YARD FORWARD OF 50% OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A NINE FOOT CEDAR WOOD FENCE IN SOUTH YARD FORWARD OF 50% ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87.1 11 BC, THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SEC SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NINE FOOT CEDARWOOD FENCE AND SOUTH SIDE YARD FOUR TO 50% ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE WILL BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE SINCE THIS PAST 50% LIE.
AND WE HAVE NO ONE TO SPEAK TO THIS, SO EITHER HAVE A QUESTION OR HAVE A MOTION.
I UNDERSTAND THE 50% ISSUE, BUT DOES, DOES ORDINANCE ALLOW A NINE FOOT FENCE ALSO THE OR? YES, IT DOES.
IT JUST CAN'T BE BOARD OF 50 WITHOUT CONSIDERATION BY COMMISSION.
SO WOULD WE BE ABLE TO APPROVE IT UP TO THE 50% OR IS THAT A STAFF FOR REVIEW? EITHER OR? WELL, IF YOU GO AHEAD AND DO IT TODAY, WE WON'T HAVE TO DO IT.
SO YES, YES, WE COULD SAY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S ALLOWED.
HUNDRED PERCENT WE COULD DO THAT.
IN THE MATTER OF THREE, UH, UH, THREE 11 SOUTH ROSEMONT AVENUE, CASE NUMBER COA TWO FIVE DASH 0 0 0 1 0 3.
I MOVE THAT, UH, I GUESS DO WE WANNA APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH CONDITION? WITH THE CONDITION? MM-HMM I GUESS IS THAT WHAT, OKAY.
UM, I APPROVE THE REQUEST TO INSTALL A NINE FOOT CEDARWOOD FENCE IN THE SOUTH SIDE YARD UP TO THE 50% MARK ON THE MAIN OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
MAKE THAT A CON WITH THE CONDITION, WITH THE CONDITION THAT IT ONLY BE, THAT IT'D BE INSTALLED ONLY UP TO THE 50% LINE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
WHO WAS THE FIRST, SECOND HARPER COMMISSIONER HARPER.
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PROBABLY NO FURTHER COMMENT.ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THAT MOTION HAS CARRIED.
OF COURSE, IF THE APPLICANT WISHES TO DISCUSS FURTHER, THEY COULD REAPPLY AND STAFF WILL COMMUNICATE THAT TO THEM OR THEY COULD BUILD THEIR NINE FOOT FENCE UP TO THE 50% MARK OF THEIR HOUSE.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT MR. HARPER WILL MAKE THE MOTION ON, RIGHT, MR. HARPER? COMMISSIONER
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING DISCUSSION ITEM D 17.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 2 0 7 SOUTH HOUSTON STREET.
IT IS THE FEDERAL BUILDING ANNEX.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER INITIATION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR 2 0 7 SOUTH HOUSTON STREET, THE FEDERAL BUILDING ANNEX, ALSO KNOWN AS THE TERMINAL ANNEX.
CURRENT OWNER IS THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, UH, GSA PUBLIC BUILDING SERVICES.
OKAY, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? MR. PERILLO? YOU HAVE A LIGHT ON? OH, SORRY.
I, I KNOW IT'S A HEAVY BURDEN.
IN THE CASE OF ITEM 17 REGARDING 2 0 7 SOUTH HOUSTON STREET THAT WE APPROVE, UH, PENDING WELL, DO WE HAVE STAFF COMMENTS OR NO? NO.
WHAT'S THE QUESTION? WHAT IS IT, WHAT IS HE MAKING A MOTION FOR? IT WOULD JUST BE TO A APPROVE THE REQUEST RIGHT? AS OKAY.
YOU'RE APPROVING INITIATION, RIGHT? YES.
ITEM 17, 2 0 7 SOUTH HOUSTON STREET.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSIDERATION OF THE INITIATION OF THE DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR 2 0 7 SOUTH HOUSTON STREET.
COMMISSIONER PREZI MADE IT TO SECOND ON THAT ONE.
AND, UM, THEREFORE WE CAN NOW ANY COMMENTS? GREAT BUILDING TO MAINTAIN, WE'D LIKE TO SEE IT PROTECTED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
THE MOTION IS CARRIED AND IT IS NOW INITIATED AS A LANDMARK AND STAFF WILL COMMUNICATE TO THE OWNERS CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
IT HASN'T COMPLETED, BUT THAT DOES INITIATE THE, UM, THE MORATORIUM.
SO YES, YOU MUST CONTRIBUTE TO THE OWNERS THAT THEY ARE NOW IN THAT SITUATION OF BEING UNDER MORATORIUM.
YES, AND I HAVE LET THEM KNOW THAT.
OH, NO ONE CARES ABOUT THAT ONE.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING DISCUSSION ITEM 18 D 18.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1515 SOUTH HARWOOD STREET.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A LANDMARK COMMISSION AUTHORIZED HEARING TO CONSIDER A HISTORIC OVERLAY FOR 1515 SOUTH HARWOOD STREET, OLD CITY PARK, FOUNDED BY RL THORNTON FREEWAY TO THE WEST, UH, SOUTH HARWOOD STREET TO THE NORTH AU STREET TO THE EAST AND SOUTH, VE STREET TO THE SOUTH.
AND THE OWNER IS THE CITY OF DALLAS PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS? OTHERWISE I HAVE A MOTION REMEMBERING THAT I GREW OLD AND GRAY LABORING AT THIS LOCATION.
MY SON EVEN GREW A LITTLE BIT OLDER AND GRAYER LABORING AT THIS LOCATION FOR FREE.
AND AS MY LAST LABOR FOR THIS LOCATION,
SECOND COMMISSIONER POSI IS THE SECOND ON THIS ONE.
I WAS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? PLEASE SAY YES.
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YES, YES.I DIDN'T THINK THERE'D BE ANY, I JUST DIDN'T WANT IT COMING BACK.
YEAH, THAT
WE, WE ARE SO HAPPY TO HAVE SEEN THIS VALUABLE HISTORIC LANDMARK THROUGH THE PROCESS TO UP TO OUR APPROVAL AND IT WILL MOVE ON AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO IT LASTING FOREVER OR NEAR, NEAR FOREVER.
ALRIGHT, IS WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE MINUTES.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES AS THEY WERE SENT OUT? MADAM CHAIR? I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT HAPPENED.
IT WILL NOW MOVE TO LMC THEN COUNCIL.
C-P-C-C-P-C AND THEN COUNCIL? YES.
I THINK THOSE OF US AT HOME HAD MORE PICTURES.
NOW WE MUST, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO CHANGE IN THE MINUTES? AND IF NOT, THEN DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM AS THEY WERE PRESENTED TO US? I MOVE TO APPROVE MINUTES.
AND COMMISSIONER PEL WHISPERED THAT SHE SECONDS SO SHE HAS PUSHED A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
ALRIGHT, THAT MOTION IS CARRIED.
I BELIEVE THAT IS ALL OUR BUSINESS FOR TODAY.
WE WILL ALL SEE EACH OTHER IN AUGUST.