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YOU READY? ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. 
          GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. 
          [BRIEFINGS]
DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER DINKY. 
          PRESENT, DISTRICT TWO. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. 
          PRESENT, DISTRICT THREE. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PRESENT, DISTRICT FOUR. 
          COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, DISTRICT FIVE. 
          CHAIR SHAAD. 
          PRESENT? DISTRICT SIX. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          PRESENT. 
          DISTRICT SEVEN. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER. 
          REAGAN. 
          PRESENT? DISTRICT EIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN PRESENT? DISTRICT NINE. 
          COMMISSIONER SLEEPER. 
          DISTRICT 10. 
          COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. 
          PRESENT? DISTRICT 11. 
          COMMISSIONER SIMS. DISTRICT 12. 
          COMMISSIONER HAWK DISTRICT 13. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL. 
          YOU JUST STEPPED OUT. 
          DISTRICT 14, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. 
          YES. 
          AND PLACE 15 VICE CHAIR RUBIN. 
          I'M HERE. 
          YOU HAVE QUORUM? I'M SORRY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. 
          TODAY IS THURSDAY, JULY 10TH, 2025, 9:03 AM AND WELCOME TO THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          OF COURSE, AS ALWAYS, UH, THE BRIEFING IS JUST, UH, FOR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. 
          WE WILL KEEP ALL OUR COMMENTS AND POSITIONS FOR THE HEARING THIS AFTERNOON. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED AND JUMP RIGHT INTO THE DOCKET. 
          UH, AT THIS POINT, COMMISSIONERS, UM, CASE NUMBER FOUR HAS COME OFF CONSENT AND WE WILL GET STARTED WITH CASE NUMBER ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, ONE, THREE AND FOUR HAVE COME OFF CONSENTS. 
          WE WILL HEAR THEM ALL INDIVIDUALLY. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          ITEM NUMBER ONE IS KZ 2 3 4 3 4 8. 
          THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND PROPERTY ZONED R SEVEN FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT. 
          IT IS LOCATED ON THE WEST LINE OF UNIVERSITY HILLS BOULEVARD BETWEEN EAST CAM, WEST ROAD AND KIRKWOOD DRIVE, APPROXIMATELY 11.48 ACRES. 
          THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP, THE AERIAL MAP, AND THEN SURROUNDING AREAS. 
          THIS SIDE, AS I MENTIONED, IS R SEVEN FIVE A TOWARDS THE NORTH IS R SEVEN 50 A NSA AND PD NUMBER 49, TRACK ONE AND TWO TOWARDS THE SOUTHEAST. 
          UM, IT'S R SEVEN FIVE A AND THEN TOWARDS THE WEST IS R SEVEN FIVE A WITH, UH, DID RESTRICTIONS. 
          AND THEN, UH, SURROUNDING USES A SINGLE FAMILY. 
          AND THEN TOWARDS THE EAST IS THE UNT DALLAS UNIVERSITY. 
          THE AREA REQUEST IS DEVELOPED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE ON THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, IT WAS BUILT IN 1935 PER DALLAS COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT RECORDS. 
          THE REST OF THE SITE IS UNDEVELOPED. 
          THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DEVELOP A MIXED USE COMMUNITY TO INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY USE. 
          HOWEVER, UNDER THE MU TWO MIXED USE, JUST, UH, THAT WAS A TYPO. 
          IT'S MU ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT, SINGLE FAMILY, UM, IS NOT PERMITTED. 
          THEREFORE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE CREATION OF A NEW PLANUM DISTRICT. 
          THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS, LOOKING WEST, LOOKING WEST AGAIN AND THEN LOOKING WEST. 
          AND THEN SURROUNDING USES ON SIDE, LOOKING NORTH, LOOKING EAST, AND THEN LOOKING SOUTH. 
          AND THEN DOWN STANDARDS, AS I MENTIONED, IS EXISTING, UM, R 7 5 8. 
          THE BASE IS ACTUALLY MU ONE, NOT MU TWO. 
          AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, AND THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PLANT AND THEN IT IS WITHIN THE UNT DALLAS AREA PLAN OF CONCEPTUAL PLAN. 
          UM, ENVISIONS OF LAND USE TYPE TO BE UN ONE URBAN MIXED USE WITH OFFICE AND RETAIL USES LOCATED ALONG THE HOUSTON SCHOOL ROAD, WHICH IS THE UNIVERSITY HILL BOULEVARD AND THE RESIDENTIAL USE LOCATED CLOSER TO THE ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          STATUTE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND CONDITIONS. 
          QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER? NO. 
          YES SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER HOUSER FILE. 
          COMMISSIONER HANEN. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          UM, I HAD A QUESTION. 
          UH, UH, LOOKING AT THIS CONCEPTUAL PLAN, IT WAS NOT CLEAR TO ME HOW, UH, VISITOR PARKING WAS BEING HANDLED ON THE RESIDENTIAL PORTIONS 
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OF THE PROJECT, OR YOU HAVE A INSIGHT INTO THAT. 
          THE OFF STREET PARKING, WELL VISTA PARKING, WOULD THAT, WOULD THEY NOT BE ON, AT LEAST ON THE TOWNHOUSE PART? ARE THEY NOT SUBJECT TO THE 0.25 PER UNIT OR IS THAT, I GUESS SINCE IT'S SINGLE FAMILY, MAYBE NOT, BUT I JUST, I JUST DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND QUITE HOW THE, HOW THE PARKING WORKED IN GENERAL. 
          UH, SO THE OFF STREET PARKING, UM, SINCE THE DALLAS CODE REFORM, UM, THEY'RE BASING IT BACK INTO THE, THE DIVISION 51 A, UH, 2.0. 
          SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL HAVE TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT THAT IS BASED ON, ON THE CODE. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DID YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP CO COMMISSIONER HARO? UH, I GUESS WE'LL THAT OKAY. 
          THAT'S, THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MS. GARZA, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          I NOTICED IN THE CASE REPORT THAT THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAD RECOMMENDED A TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, BE COMPLETED. 
          IS THAT, HAVE, HAS THAT BEEN PROVIDED TO STAFF? THAT I'M AWARE OF? UM, NOT, NOT YET. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I DIDN'T SEE THAT ANY REQUIREMENT IN THE CONDITIONS, IS THAT ANYTHING STAFF IS EVALUATING OR INCLUDING IN THE RECOMMENDATION? YES. 
          SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO, TO, UM, TO, TO MEET THE STANDARDS. 
          I KNOW, UM, THEY MENTIONED THAT THEY'LL BE COMING BACK FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT RIGHT NOW, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE FIGURATION, SO THEY'LL BE BACK WITH A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT A LATER TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I'LL, I'LL JUST CLARIFY. 
          THE, WHAT OUR TRANSPORTATION FRIENDS MEANT WAS PRIOR TO THE SUBMISSION OF A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH THEY NEED TO GO THROUGH THE CPC PROCESS FOR A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          SO SINCE THEY DON'T HAVE THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN PLACE, THEY HAVE TO, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY NEED TO SUBMIT THAT SO THAT THEY CAN GET THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, IF I MAY, I THINK THE CONDITIONS NOTE THAT THE PLAT SERVES AS THE DEVELOP OR MAY SERVE AS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          SO HOW IS THAT CAPTURED? 'CAUSE WE TYPICALLY WOULDN'T COME UP WHEN WE RECEIVE A PLAT. 
          UH, I BELIEVE THAT'S ONLY FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY PORTION OR THE SHARED ACCESS PORTION, IF YOU WILL. 
          THE FRONT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE MIX OF USES. 
          SO, UH, IT'S THE REAR PORTION. 
          SO THE PORTION THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MOST FAR FROM THE STREET, THE PLAT CAN SERVE AS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          BUT FOR THE MIXED USE PORTION IN THE FRONT, THEN THEY NEED TO GO THROUGH THE CPC DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS. 
          SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR 'CAUSE IT, I I DIDN'T NOTE THAT DISTINCTION IN THE, UM, ENGINEERING RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO THEY ONLY WANNA SEE IT FOR THE RETAIL PORTION, NOT FOR THE FULL SITE. 
          RIGHT. 
          PRIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I'LL FOLLOW OFF OFFLINE 'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S, UM, CLEAR TO ME. 
          UM, TWO FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS. 
          UM, REGARDING OPEN SPACE AND THE BUFFERS, IS IT CORRECT THAT BE WITH AN MU BASED DISTRICT THAT THERE'LL BE A RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY BUFFER TRIGGERED FOR THE TWO ADJACENT PARCELS THAT APPEARS TO BE INDICATED ON THE PLAN? I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW THAT WAS CODIFIED. 
          YES, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN I NOTICED A LOT OF REFERENCES TO OPEN SPACE AND AMENITY SPACES, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANY MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. 
          WAS THAT ANYTHING THAT STAFF HAD EVALUATED OR DID I LOOK BY THAT? NO. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN JUST FINAL QUESTION. 
          UM, THERE'S A PROVISION, AND LET ME FIND IT. 
          IT IS ON, UH, CASE REPORT, PAGE ONE DASH ONE 13. 
          ON FRONTAGE IT SAYS LOTS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE FRONT, UH, NOT REQUIRED TO FRONT UPON A DEDICATED PRIVATE OR PUBLIC STREET OR DRIVE. 
          AND I'M SAYING THE WORDS, BUT IT SAYS IF ADEQUATE ACCESS IS PROVIDED, UM, ADEQUATE DIDN'T SEEM TO GIVE A LOT OF CONTEXT FOR REVIEW, SO I JUST WAS ASKING STAFF MAY WANNA EVALUATE THAT VERBIAGE TO SEE IF THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE TIGHTENED UP A LITTLE BIT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I THINK THAT'S JUST GONNA DEFAULT TO THE ACCESS REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN A, UM, SHARED ACCESS DEVELOPMENT. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S THE REAR PORTION AS IS PLANNED TO BE A SHARED ACCESS DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND WE'RE DEFAULTING ON, ON THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SHARED ACCESS IN THAT, IN THAT LANGUAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANOTHER QUESTION PLEASE. 
          UH, DO YOU HAVE 
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A, A VIEW OF THE STREET, OF A STREET VIEW SLIDE THERE? I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T QUITE ORIENTED, UH, WITH THIS AREA. 
          WELL, IN, IN FRONT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, THERE ARE, UH, GOING NORTH AND SOUTH IS UNIVERSITY HILLS. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          AND GOING NORTHBOUND AND SOUTHBOUND, EACH HAS THREE LANES? YES. 
          AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, AS A PART OF THE DESIGN, I'M NOT SURE IF IT MADE INTO HERE, BUT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A, A SLOWDOWN OR A, UH, FOR, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORDS, A SLOWDOWN LANE THAT WOULD, UH, ENTER INTO THIS PARTICULAR, UH, DEVELOPMENT. 
          I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? YES, PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER GAR, SIR, IN SECTION ONE 16 IT SAYS, NO MINIMUM INTERSECTION SPACING, DISTANCE IS REQUIRED FOR PUBLIC ROADWAYS, AND THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY ALL VISIBILITY TRIANGLES MUST BE A MAXIMUM OF 20 FEET BY 20 FEET. 
          COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE THINKING IS THERE? POSTING, LIKE, NORMALLY WE DON'T WRITE CODE THAT OVERRIDES THE REGULATIONS OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS AT PERMITTING. 
          IS THIS ON PAGE, UH, ONE 15? YES. 
          WELL, PARTS ON ONE FOUR, THE BOTTOM OF ONE 14, IT'S SECTION ONE 16. 
          NUMBER ONE, NO MINIMUM INTERSECTION SPACING, DISTANCE IS REQUIRED FOR PUBLIC ROADWAYS. 
          AND THE NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS ON PAGE ONE DASH 15, ALL VISIBILITY TRIANGLES MUST BE A MAXIMUM OF 20 FEET BY 20 FEET. 
          I WILL SAY THAT IT'S ACTUALLY FAIRLY COMMON. 
          THERE ARE PDS THAT MODIFY THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLES AND, AND THOSE ARE IN INTERNALLY. 
          SO, UH, IT IS COMMON THAT VISIBILITY TRIANGLES HAVE BEEN MINIMIZED. 
          THOSE CAN BE PRETTY BIG. 
          I THINK THAT'S TO A GREAT DEGREE BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE PUBLIC ROADWAYS WITHIN IN THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT SAYS MINIMUM STREET WIDTHS IN THE SINGLE FAMILY PORTION. 
          SO IT'S TALKING ABOUT LIMIT SMALLER VISIBILITY TRIANGLES IN THAT PORTION INTERNAL TO THIS SITE. 
          UM, THE PUBLIC ROADWAYS THAT THEY MAY RUN THROUGH. 
          'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, THEY MAY WANT TO, THEY SAY THEY MAY WANT TO RUN PUBLIC ROADWAYS, UH, INTERNALLY, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU RUN INTO VISIBILITY TRIANGLES AND INTERSECTION SPACING. 
          BUT THAT'S AGAIN, INTERNAL TO, TO THE SITE. 
          BUT AS FAR AS THE NO MINIMUM INTERSECTION SPACING DISTANCE FOR PUBLIC ROADWAYS, IT YES, IT'S INTERNAL. 
          IT'S TALKING ABOUT MINIMUM STREET WIDTHS IN THAT SINGLE FAMILY PORTION. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'LL GO TO NUMBER TWO, PLEASE. 
          IT IS EXTRA COLD TODAY, SO I BROUGHT MY COFFEE UP. 
          UM, THAT'S PRETTY VISIBLE, I HOPE. 
          FULL SCREEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, THIS IS Z 2 4 5 1 92, ALSO KNOWN AS Z 2 5 0 0 0 5 1. 
          IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR ROSA'S RETIREMENT HOUSING ON PROPERTY ZONED TH TWO, UH, A TOWNHOUSE TWO, UH, DISTRICT, DISTRICT WITH D DESCRIPTION Z 8 2 3 3 7 9. 
          EXHIBIT D ON A PORTION OF THE SITE IS LOCATED ON THE EAST LINE OF SOUTHWEST MORELAND 
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ROAD SOUTH OF WATERSHIP LANE. 
          IT'S NEARLY 27 ACRES. 
          IT'S IN DISTRICT THREE HERE. 
          IT IS SOUTHWEST MORELAND AREA. 
          AND SO IT'S CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED WITH D RESTRICTIONS ON THE NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE LOT. 
          UM, THAT THOSE D RESTRICTIONS REMAIN IN PLACE AND RESTRICT MULTIPLE FAMILY USES, UM, IN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO 44 UNITS. 
          UH, THOSE ARE PROPOSED TO STAY IN PLACE, BUT PROVIDE IN THAT BACKGROUND HERE. 
          UM, THEY'RE REQUESTING AN SUP FOR RETIREMENT HOUSING. 
          SO TH DISTRICTS ALLOW YOU TO REQUEST RETIREMENT HOUSING WITH AN SUP PROVIDED THAT YOU MEET THE, UH, UH, ZONING, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE DESCRIBED IN, IN THE TH DISTRICT. 
          AND SO WHAT THAT WOULD BE IS 216 TOWNHOUSE STYLE DWELLING UNITS. 
          UM, SO THERE'S ONLY 36 ON THAT, THAT DE DISTRICTED PORTION. 
          UH, SOME ACCESSORIES, UH, TO THAT CLUBHOUSE, MAIL ROOM, LAUNDRY ROOM, FITNESS CENTER, POOL, PICKLEBALL COURT THAT ARE TYPICAL ACCESSORIES TO RETIREMENT USES. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S PERMITTED WITHOUT S-U-P-N-T-H DISTRICT. 
          HERE'S THE SITE AS IT EXISTS TODAY WITH WESTMORELAND ON THE, ON THE, ON THE WEST, UH, THERE'S MULTIFAMILY, SO THE NORTH, SOME UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH, AND THEN THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS TO THE WEST ACROSS WESTMORELAND AND BEHIND PROPERTY. 
          UH, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS REMAIN ON THE SITE. 
          JUST FOR CLARITY, UM, THEY'RE LABELED IN THE NORTHWEST PART AND WE GET DOWN TO THE SITE HERE IS HERE WHERE WE ARE ON WEST MARLAND. 
          UH, HERE'S WESTMORELAND ROAD, WEST MARLAND LOOKING NORTH, AND THAT'S LOOKING WEST ACROSS WEST MARLAND SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION ACROSS THE WAY. 
          SITE PLAN FOR THE RESIDENTIAL USES, UM, FOR THE TOWN HOMES HERE. 
          UM, SHOULDN'T SAY TOWN HOMES, I SHOULD SAY RESIDENTIAL OR EXCUSE ME, RETIREMENT HOUSING. 
          AND SO THE CONDITIONS ARE, ARE AS FOLLOWS, UM, STILL HAVE TO HOLD TO THAT SITE PLAN. 
          UM, INGRESS EGRESS HAS TO BE WHERE THEY'VE NOTED ON THEIR PLAN. 
          AND THE DWELLING UNITS IS LIMITED TO 216. 
          COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL IS THE CURRENT, UH, FOUR DALLAS PLACE TYPE FOR THE AREA. 
          UM, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AS PART OF THAT. 
          UM, SO AS A RESULT, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT. 
          THANK YOU, MICHAEL. 
          UM, WAS THERE ANY, UM, LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THE STREET. 
          UH, CURRENTLY THEY HAVE A LOT OF TROUBLE GETTING OUT IN THE MORNINGS AND EVENINGS, UM, FROM THAT SUBDIVISION ONTO WESTMORELAND, UM, AND ADDING IT DENSITY IS A BIT OF A WORRY. 
          UM, WAS THERE ANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT WITH CITY STAFF? WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY SIGNIFICANT COMMENTS FROM OUR, OUR TRANSPORTATION STAFF WITH REGARD TO IT. 
          IT'S ALWAYS PART OF REVIEW AND IN ANYTHING, UH, WE VIEW IT AS A APPROPRIATE TYPE OF TYPE OF DENSITY FOR, FOR THE SITE. 
          AND I WOULD SAY JUST BEYOND THAT, I THINK USUALLY THE, THE VIEW OF OUR TRAFFIC PEOPLE IS THAT, UH, RETIREMENT HOUSING HAS A LOWER IMPACT THAN WOULD SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL OR, OR MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL 'CAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE USE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, MR PAP, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THE INTERACTION BETWEEN THE SUP REQUIREMENT HERE AND THE BASE ZONING. 
          IS THE SOLE REASON THEY NEED THE SUP IS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO AGE RESTRICT IT TO 55 UP, OR ARE THEY ABLE TO BUILD A, SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH THAT SUP THAT THE TH THREE DISTRICT WOULDN'T ALLOW? THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          QUESTION. 
          WHAT IS, WHAT IS RETIREMENT HOUSING IF NOT MULTIFAMILY, THAT'S ON, THAT'S AGE RESTRICTED, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S THE DISTINCTION THAT OUR CODE MAKES PRETTY MUCH. 
          AND WHAT'S MULTIFAMILY? IT'S MULTIPLE UNITS ON A LOT. 
          UM, TH TWO DOES NOT ALLOW MULTI-FAMILY BY AN SUP, BUT IT DOES ALLOW RETIREMENT HOUSING BY SUP. 
          BUT WHAT CAN BE DONE ON THE SITE NOW WITH TH TWO IS IT COULD BE BUILT OUT INTO A SUBDIVISION UNDER THE STANDARDS OF TH TWO AS A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, THEY'D STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW THE SAME DENSITY REQUIREMENTS, BUT THEN THEY'D HAVE TO GO CHOP IT UP INTO 216 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. 
          SO SIMPLER PROCESS FOR, FOR EVERYONE, UH, MORE STREAMLINED PROCESS AND, UH, PROBABLY MORE IN LINE WITH THEIR BUSINESS MODEL. 
          IF THEY LEAVE IT ON AS ONE LOT, 
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YOU KNOW, CALL IT RETIREMENT HOUSING, THEY STILL HAVE TO MARKET AND HAVE IT BE A RETIREMENT HOUSING PRODUCT. 
          BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS ONE LOT VERSUS 200, THE PRODUCT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE BUILT BY, RIGHT. 
          THE ISSUE IS THE, WHETHER THAT'S TO JUMP THROUGH ADDITIONAL HOOPS ON THE SUBDIVISION PLATTING, THEY COULD BUILD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SINGLE DUPLEX OR DUPLEX OR, UM, SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURES ON THE SITE. 
          YES. 
          AND, AND IT'S THE SAME DENSITY REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO THEY COULD BUILD A, A GREAT BIG, UH, DUPLEX OR SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION ON THE SITE. 
          PROBABLY LOOKS SIMILAR TO THIS, BUT IT'S THE AGE RESTRICTION THAT OUR CODE IS REFERENCING. 
          YEP. 
          THANKS. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL. 
          GO SECOND. 
          MR. PEPE, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PLEASE? SITE PLAN. 
          OH, SITE PLAN ARE, ARE THESE INDIVIDUAL UNITS? ARE THEY, THEY CONNECTED SOMEHOW? EVERYTHING, YEAH. 
          SO EVERYTHING YOU SEE, EACH STRUCTURE YOU SEE ON HERE, I UNDERSTAND THERE'LL BE A INDIVIDUAL UNIT. 
          UM, SO THEY'RE INDIVIDUALLY ACCESSED. 
          SO YOU, YOU, YOU WOULD VIEW THEM IF YOU, IF YOU'RE THERE, YOU'D VIEW THEM KIND OF LIKE SINGLE FAMILY TOWN HOMES OR WHAT HAVE YOU IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT 'EM ON, ON THEIR STREET. 
          UM, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE ATTACHED, SOME OF THEM ARE, ARE NOT. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD PRESENT AS. 
          SOME ARE ATTACHED, SOME ARE NOT, BUT THE, THE ONES THAT ARE NOT, WOULD STILL BE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, THEN WE'LL GO SECOND ROUND. 
          MR. BABY, WHAT IS THE NATURE OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS ON THE PORTION? ALL IT DOES IS LIMIT THE, IS LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF UNITS ON THAT PORTION OF THE LOT, UM, TO TWO, IT'S IN ONE OF THESE RESOURCES, IT LIMITS THE PORTION OF A LOT. 
          I I WANT TO SAY THAT THAT IS, UM, 44 UNITS TO THAT DE RESTRICTION PORTION. 
          SO THAT PORTION OF THE LOT WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO HAVE, UM, 44 UNITS ON IT. 
          THEY'RE OF COURSE PROPOSING 36 IN THAT NORTHWEST PORTION. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THOSE EXISTING DEED RESTRICTIONS DO. 
          THEY SAY NO MORE THAN 44 UNITS ON THAT PORTION. 
          SO WE'RE, THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH THAT, SO THEY DON'T PROPOSE TO MODIFY IT OR TERMINATE. 
          SO THAT'S THE SOLE REQUIREMENT OF THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO SECOND ROUND COMMISSIONER? SECOND ROUND COMMISSIONER HERBERT, THIS IS JUST JERMAINE, MAYBE NOT JERMAINE, BUT ARE WE WORKING ON FIXING THIS CLUSTER AND DEVELOPMENT CODE REFORM? IS THERE A WAY TO FIX THIS IN? WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE FIXING? I I DO, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE HOOPS OF HAVING TO DO TH TWO RETIREMENT HOME, THE WHOLE MIX OF I SEE, UM, SHORT ANSWER, YES, YES. 
          I, I, MY, IF, IF I CAN I OWE BEHIND, UM, LIKE I SAID, THEY CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND BUILD THIS BY RIGHT FOR SINGLE FAMILY PRODUCT, BUT THE EXPENSE AND PROCESS OF DIVIDING IT UP SEVERAL HUNDRED TIMES IS, IS GREAT. 
          SO I IMAGINE THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. 
          WE'LL GO TO NUMBER THREE, PLEASE. 
          UH, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. 
          UH, MAY WE HOLD OFF ON THE BRIEFING ON THIS ONE? I HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH THE APPLICANT. 
          I THINK IT'LL SERVE THIS BODY, UH, BETTER WHEN WE ACTUALLY, NOT AFTER I MEET WITH THIS PERSON, BECAUSE I'M, I'M INTEND TO HARNESS THIS FOR ADVISEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND TO DO IT ALL AT ONE TIME. 
          YOU BET. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THEN LET'S GO TO NUMBER FOUR MORE FOR ME. 
          UM, ALL RIGHT, HERE IS Z 2 45 2 0 2, AND THAT'S AN APPLICATION FOR MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON, ON PROPERTY ZONE, CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF WEST WHEATLAND, UH, WEST OF CLARK ROAD. 
          AND THE PURPOSE OF REQUEST IS TO PERMIT RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          IT'S CURRENTLY 3.7 ACRES YEARS, THAT PLACE TYPE, IT'S REALLY SMALL, BUT IT'S THE 
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BLUE. 
          THERE'S A BLUE LINE THERE. 
          IT'S SQUARE ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION HERE. 
          SO WE GOT NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE. 
          I, I SUPPOSE YOU COULD SAY CLARK AND WEST MARLAND, OR NOT WEST MARLAND. 
          WEST WHEATLAND IS SOMETHING OF, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER MIXED USE. 
          UM, AND THIS IS PART OF THAT PLACE TYPE AS DESCRIBED IN FORWARD DALLAS, UH, ABOUT AS, ALMOST AS, AS FAR AS SOUTHWEST AS YOU CAN GO IN THE CITY. 
          UH, AND THERE'S THAT SITE WITH THE AERIAL VIEW AND THE RETAIL ACROSS THE STREET AND THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS TO THE NORTHWEST. 
          YEP, YOU CAN SEE THAT. 
          SO THIS OTHER CR UH, PARCELS ARE MOSTLY UNDEVELOPED THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE EAST, UH, UNDER THAT CR AND THEN TO THE SOUTH AND WEST, THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION. 
          HERE'S OUR SITE STANDING ON WHEATLAND LOOKING NORTH, UM, TOWARDS, UH, SOME OF THAT'S THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS LOOKING EAST TOWARDS KIND OF DOWN WHEATLAND, SOME OF THE UNDEVELOPED, LOTS MORE WEST AND BACK TOWARDS THE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, UH, LOTS THAT ARE FOR THE WEST. 
          AND HERE'S THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THOSE TWO DISTRICTS. 
          UM, NOT MUCH TO TO WRITE HOME ABOUT, BUT, UH, I WILL SAY THAT MF TWO HAS RPS ACTING ON IT FROM THE WEST AND TO THE SOUTH. 
          SO WE'VE GOT 36 FEET IS THE BASE HEIGHT, BUT THEN IT'S AT THE PROPERTY LINE, IT'S 26 FOR NEXT 78 FEET. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S LIMITS ON THE HEIGHT BEING, UH, IMPOSED BY THE SINGLE FAMILY ADJACENT TO IT. 
          AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          QUESTIONS COMM, COMMISSIONER HERBERT? UM, THANK YOU MR. PEPE FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. 
          YOU, YOU SPOKE ABOUT HOW THIS FITS INTO THE, FOR DALLAS PICTURE AND YOU CALLED IT NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE. 
          CAN YOU KIND OF DESCRIBE THAT FOR OUR, UH, NEIGHBORS WILL LISTEN NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE? YEAH, AND I THINK NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE WAS, WAS PUT IN PLACE, UM, TO A DEGREE TO REFLECT, UM, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS THAT ARE MAYBE LOW DENSITY COMMERCIAL, UM, OR, OR CR IS A MORE, MORE INTENSE COMMERCIAL IN THIS CASE. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK AT NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE, IT CALLS FOR A TRANSITION TO MIXED USE, JUST THAT EITHER VERTICAL OR, OR HORIZONTAL. 
          I THINK THAT MF TWO IS A, IS A, HAS A PART TO PLAY IN BECOMING NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE CENTERS. 
          I DON'T THINK I HAVE, I MAY, I MAY HAVE A BIT OF INFO ON THE SLIDE HERE MORE IN THE REPORT, BUT NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE BEING, YOU KNOW, SMALL ACTIVITY CENTER THAT'S, THAT'S WALKABLE TO A, A NEIGHBORHOOD WALKABLE TO A NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT FOR DALLAS RECOGNIZES THAT TO HAVE THOSE SORTS OF CENTERS, UH, A LITTLE MORE DIVERSITY OF USES IS NECESSARY TO SUSTAIN THEM IN THE LONG TERM. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHY MULTIFAMILY IS A PRIMARY USE IN NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE. 
          UM, OF COURSE THEY'RE NOT MIX AND USES VERTICALLY IN THIS CASE, BUT I THINK HORIZONTAL MIXED USE ACROSS THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER IS, IS STILL, UM, VIABLE. 
          AND, AND IMPORTANT WAS THE PROXIMITY OF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, WHICH I THINK WE, YOU PROPOSED A 10 FEET FROM THE ALLEY. 
          UM, WAS THAT EVALUATED AGAINST 51 A OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? IS THAT SOMETHING WE WOULD NORMALLY DO WHEN A MULTIFAMILY BUTTS RIGHT UP TO A SINGLE FAMILY ALLEY LIKE THIS? YEAH, DEFINITELY PART OF THE, OF THE CALCULUS, BUT, UH, THERE'S GONNA BE LIMITS, UH, BEYOND SETBACKS AND BUFFERS. 
          UM, RPS IS ACTING STRONGLY ON THIS MULTIFAMILY SITE. 
          UM, AND LET, LET'S FACE IT. 
          I, I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CR AND AND MULTIFAMILY. 
          UH, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE IMPACT OF DIRECT CR NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY. 
          I HAVE LESS CONCERNS ABOUT MULTIFAMILY, UM, BECAUSE THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MAX HEIGHTS, NOT JUST THE MAX HEIGHTS LOWER, BUT IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE USES. 
          UM, THERE'S SOME WAY MORE INTENSE USES IN THAT CR UH, THAT CAN BE BUILT BY RIGHT THAN, THAN IN MF TWO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO THAT WAS A PART OF YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          AND THE 36 FEET CLOSEST TO THE RESIDENCES, 26 FEET ADJACENT TO THE HOMES, UH, RAMPING UP TO 36 AT THE HIGHEST. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ACCORDING TO THE PLAN THAT WAS SHOWN, THERE WAS ONLY ONE POINT OF INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          IS THAT STANDARD? YEAH, I DON'T, I HAVEN'T REVIEWED PLANS SINCE THEY'RE NOT HELD TO THEM WITH REGARD TO A GENERAL ZONE CHANGE. 
          I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S NOT STANDARD. 
          I THINK THEY COULD POSSIBLY, UM, GET THEIR 
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APPROVAL DONE WITH A SINGLE ACCESS POINT IF IT'S GOT THE RIGHT WIDTH FOR, FOR FIRE. 
          PRIMARILY, UH, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN MAYBE YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK OF A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION. 
          UH, PRETTY COMMON PRACTICE IS TO HAVE MULTIPLE POINTS OF ENTRY FOR A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION IN A MULTIFAMILY WHEN THEY'RE HELD A MORE, A MORE COMMERCIAL FIRE CODE AND, AND ACCESS CODE. 
          UM, IT'S A LITTLE MORE STANDARD FOR ONE TO BE AN OPTION, BUT ALL OF THAT WILL STILL HAVE TO BE, UM, REVIEWED WHEN THEY GET TO THEIR, UH, PERMITTING STAGE. 
          GOTCHA. 
          SO TO BE CLEAR, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'LL NEED AN EMERGENCY EXIT OR WHETHER OR NOT THEIR INGRESS EGRESS FITS WILL BE REVIEWED AT PERMITTING. 
          MUST BE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          MUST BE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND THAT ALSO WOULD ASSUME THE CONDITION OF THE ALLEY THAT EXISTS TODAY, RIGHT. 
          THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE REEVALUATED FOR F**K FIRE TRUCKS AND AMBULANCE ACCESS AS WELL. 
          IF THEY, IF THEY INTEND TO USE AN ALLEY TO MEET THEIR REQUIREMENTS, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE UP TO STANDARD. 
          AND GENERALLY THEY HAVE TO IMPROVE IT UP TO THEIR POINT, UM, IF THAT WERE WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO. 
          GOTCHA. 
          UM, LAST TWO QUESTIONS. 
          NEIGHBORS HAVE BROUGHT IT UP, I WANT TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD, BUT, UM, ARCHITECTURAL STYLES, MATERIALS AGAINST THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA. 
          UM, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE LIMITATIONS WE HAVE ON THAT? YEAH. 
          CITY OF DALLAS AND, AND OUR ZONING CODE CAN'T LIMIT, UH, ARCHITECTURAL MATERIALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO WITH THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, BUT, UH, DUE TO, DUE TO STATE LAWS, REALLY MATERIALS IS, IS IS PRIMARILY THE THING WE, WE CAN'T DABBLE IN, UM, IN NEW OR, OR ONGOING CODES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND LASTLY, DOES THAT RULE ALSO APPLY TO VISUAL IMPACT? UH, FACADES, PITCH ROOFS IN HAND SCREENINGS, IT DOES NOT APPLY TO THOSE THINGS. 
          GOTCHA. 
          UM, THOSE, THOSE ARE FAIR GAME FOR REGULATION AND ZONING. 
          GOTCHA. 
          DID YOU CONSIDER ANY OF THAT IN YOUR REVIEW, UH, AS PART OF A, AS PART OF A GENERAL ZONE CHANGE? NO. 
          I HAVE TO THINK WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE, THE CODES THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR, FOR MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS, UH, RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, SO NOT, NOT SOMETHING WE WERE LOOKING TO PUT INTO THE, THE CODE FOR CODING FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE, BECAUSE IT'S A GENERAL ZONE CHANGE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU MR. POP. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. 
          I JUST WANTED TO ASK ONE QUESTION AS WE'RE LOOKING AT MOVING THE LINE OF RESIDENTIAL VERSUS THE EXISTING CR AND THIS SLIDE IS A GREAT SLIDE. 
          RPS IS GOING TO APPLY FROM THE SOUTH, UM, BUT THEY'LL NOW BE RPS ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE EAST, IS THAT CORRECT? IT WOULD APPLY RPS TO THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES TO THE EAST, BUT IT'S MUCH LESS SEVERE THAN IS THE RPS ACTING FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY. 
          SO, SO THERE'S NOT LIKELY A REAL CONSIDERATION. 
          IT'S NOT A MAJOR PART OF THE CONCERN. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE A RES, SO WE HAVE A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT HERE, COMMERCIAL DISTRICT NEXT DOOR HAS TO PUT IN A SETBACK. 
          UM, THE MULTI-FAMILY RPS ONLY APPLIES FOR 50 FEET. 
          IT ACTS AT A ONE-TO-ONE SLOPE. 
          I HAVEN'T DONE THE MATH, BUT I'D IMAGINE THAT YOUR RPS EXTENDING FROM THE SOUTH AT A ONE TO THREE HEADING NORTH, AT A CERTAIN POINT, PART OF THE SITE IS GOING TO BE MORE LIMITING THAN IS AN RPS FROM MF TO CR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT, SECOND ROUND. 
          UM, WHERE DO I START? UM, THE TRANSPORTATION TRAFFIC ANALYSIS ON THIS, UH, BUSY STREET, UM, IN THE INTERSECTIONS THAT'S REALLY NEARBY. 
          UM, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ACCIDENTS, UM, FATAL EVENT, UM, ACCIDENTS RECENTLY SINCE THE ADDITION OF THE RETAIL THERE. 
          UM, WAS VISION ZERO CONSIDERED IN THIS, IN THIS AREA? HAS VISION ZERO OR A HIGH INJURY NETWORK BEEN LOOKED AT AT THIS CORNER OR INTERSECTION? UH, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE TALKING TO ME, YOU'RE, YOU'RE VISION ZEROS GONNA BE,  GONNA BE A CONSIDERATION. 
          UH, THERE'S NOT QUITE SO MANY TOOLS, UM, WITH THE GENERAL ZONE CHANGE, BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WHEN THEY DO GOT PERMITTING, THEY DO HAVE TO ACCOUNT LIKE, LIKE MOST PROJECTS, UM, ESPECIALLY GENERAL ZONE CHANGE, HAVE TO AND ANALYZE THEIR TRAFFIC AND PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE OFFSETS AND AND IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO ONE EXAMPLE IS GONNA BE AS THEY DEVELOP A LONG WHEATLAND HERE, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A SIDEWALK, THEY'RE GONNA BE REQUIRED TO INSTALL THAT ALONG THE WAY. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO GONNA BE IMPORTANT. 
          LET ME REMIND MYSELF, THERE'S ACTUALLY SIDEWALK THERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WHEATLAND, UM, RIGHT NOW, BUT THE OTHER KINDS OF TRAFFIC OFFSETS, UM, WHATEVER THOSE MAY BE, ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE DETERMINED AT PERMITTING AND THEN IMPLEMENTED. 
          AND THOSE 
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I, I BELIEVE WOULD HAVE A POSITIVE EFFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE HAVE A SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS SITE. 
          ARE YOU AWARE? MULTIPLE, YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO THAT SOMETIMES THERE'S, UM, THAT AFTERSCHOOL PICKUP AND DROP OFF IN THE MORNINGS THAT IT GETS REALLY HECTIC AROUND THAT AREA. 
          SO, UM, I HOPE THAT, UH, THE NEIGHBORS AND STAFF LOOK AT THIS AREA, WHETHER THIS IS APPROVED OR NOT, BECAUSE, UM, THERE'S SOME SEVERE, THERE'S A LOT OF ACTION HAPPENING, UM, WHEN SCHOOL STARTS ON THIS AREA, SO THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, THAT'S THE KIND OF, UM, ANALYSIS THEY'D HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT AT, AT THAT STAGE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. 
          WE'LL GO TO, UM, OUR CASES UNDER ADVISEMENT, CASE NUMBER FIVE HAS ALREADY BEEN BRIEFED. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? OKAY. 
          UH, NUMBER SIX I BELIEVE IS, UH, GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT. 
          UH, I, I DIDN'T WRITE DOWN THE, THE DATE FOR THAT COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT. 
          AUGUST 7TH. 
          OKAY. 
          AUGUST 7TH. 
          UH, NUMBER SEVENTH WILL ALSO BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT. 
          AND, UH, WE'LL HAVE THAT DATE AT THE HEARING. 
          TAKES US TO NUMBER EIGHT. 
          UH, I BELIEVE WE'VE HEARD THIS ONE BEFORE. 
          ARE THERE ANY UPDATES THAT WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT? NO. 
          . 
          SO FOR ITEM EIGHT, UM, THE APPLICANT DID VOLUNTEER DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          THEY ARE THE ONES PUBLISHING THE DOCKET. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, SO TAKE TAKES US TO NUMBER NINE. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER IF NUMBER NINE'S BEEN DEBRIEFED BEFORE. 
          YES, IT HAS NOT. 
          OKAY, LET'S DO IT. 
          ITEM NUMBER NINE IS KZ 2 45 55. 
          THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR ONE AND MF ONE, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT AND TWO IN C CLUSTERED HOUSING DISTRICT AND PROPERTIES ZONED R SEVEN 50, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT WITH CONSIDERATION FOR A WM U FIVE WALKABLE URBAN MIXED USE ARE, AGAIN, A WR FIVE WALKABLE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. 
          IT IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF SOUTHLAND CASTOR ROAD ON THE SOUTH LINE OF THE NORTH COUPLET OF EAST WHEATLAND ROAD. 
          AND EXTENDING SOUTH OF THE SOUTH LINE OF THE SOUTH COUPLET OF EAST WHELAND ROAD. 
          IT'S APPROXIMATELY 20.5 ACRES. 
          THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP, THE AERIAL MAP, AND THEN ZONING MAP TOWARDS THE NORTH IS MF THREE A. 
          TOWARDS THE EAST IS CR, TOWARDS THE SOUTH IS UC, TWO AND L OH ONE. 
          AND THEN TOWARDS THE WEST IS MF THREE A AND UC, UH, TWO. 
          AND THEN ALL SURROUNDING, UM, IS UNDEVELOPED. 
          AND THEN TOWARDS THE LANCASTER ROAD. 
          UM, NORTH IS A GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ALSO SINGLE FAMILY ACROSS, UM, TOWARDS THE EAST OF LANCASTER. 
          THE AREA REQUEST IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED. 
          THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT TO DEVELOP THE AREA OF REQUEST WITH A MULTI-FAMILY, USE THE TRACK ON THE NORTH OF THE EAST WHELAND ROAD WITH A MULTIFAMILY COMPLEX AND THE TRACK ON THE SOUTH OF EAST WHELAND ROAD WITH MULTI-FAMILY TOWNHOUSE. 
          ALTHOUGH STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTED LAND USE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS A MIX OF WMU THREE OR WMU FIVE BLE URBAN MIX USE DISTRICT OR WR THREE OR WR FIVE FROM ARTICLE, UM, 13 FORM DISTRICTS OF CHAPTER 51 A DUE TO THE ADOPTED AREA. 
          PLANS FOR THE SIGN IN ITS PROXIMITY TO UNT SCHOOL AND THE DART, UH, LIGHT RAIL STATION. 
          THESE ARE SOME OF THE SIDE PHOTOS ON EASTLAND ROAD LOOKING SOUTHEAST, 
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LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING SOUTHEAST, LOOKING NORTHWEST, THEN LOOKING NORTHEAST, SOUTHEAST, SOUTH AND THEN SURROUNDING USES LOOKING NORTHEAST, NORTHWEST, SOUTHWEST. 
          THEN LOOKING WEST, WEST AGAIN, ONLINE CASTER. 
          AND THEN THE DEALING STANDARDS, UH, WHAT IS EXISTING, AS I MENTIONED, IS R SEVEN FIVE A. 
          THEY'RE PROPOSING AN MF ONE A AND CH AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS WMU FIVE AND WR FIVE. 
          SO IT IS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY MIX. 
          USED A PLACE ABOVE THE FOR DALLAS AREAS, COMBINING HOUSING, RETAIL AND OFFICE SPACES TO SERVE MULTIPLE NEIGHBORHOODS LOCATED ALONG TRANSIT CORRIDORS. 
          THESE AREAS PRIORITIZE WALKABILITY, COMMUNITY INTERACTION AND ACCESS TO ESSENTIAL SERVICES, CREATING A VIBRANT AND INCLUSIVE SPACE. 
          AND THEN IT IS ALSO WITHIN THE UNT DALLAS AREA PLAN VISION AND POLICY PLAN. 
          UM, IT IS WITHIN THE, UM, THREE URBAN MIXED USE WHERE OFFICE USES MAY BE LOCATED ALONG LANCASTER ROAD CAM WISDOM ROAD AND WHEATLAND ROAD WITH MIXED USE BUILDINGS AND RETAIL LOCATED AT STREET INTERSECTIONS. 
          THE OVERALL BUILDING HEIGHTS SHOULD BE TWO TO FIVE STORES WITH THE TALLER BUILDINGS LOCATED AT THE MAJOR INTERSECTION OF CAM WISDOM ROAD AND LANCASTER ROAD STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF WMU FIVE FABLE MIX USED ALONG THE STREET QUARTERS AND WR FIVE ADJACENT TO EXISTING RESIDENTIAL ZONING IN LIEU OF AN MF ONE, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT, AND A CH CLUSTERED HOUSING DISTRICT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS. 
          COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER HALL. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          UH, UH, JUST TO GET ORIENTED, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, TO THE ZONING MAP? UH, THANK YOU. 
          UH, JUST SO THAT THE BODY CAN KIND OF UNDERSTAND, UH, WHERE THIS IS BECAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, BY THE PICTURES, IT, IT, IT LOOKS VERY RURAL. 
          UH, OH. 
          HOW CLOSE IS THIS PARTICULAR, UM, PROPOSED, UH, DEVELOPMENT TO UNT DALLAS? IS IT FAIRLY TO SAY SINCE IT'S UNDER THE, THE UNT DALLAS PLAN? IT'S FAIRLY CLOSE, CORRECT? YES, IT'S SOUTHEAST OF THE UNT. 
          LEMME SEE. 
          I DON'T HAVE IT. 
          AND SO IF I'M ORIENTED CORRECTLY ON THIS MAP TO THE, UH, TO THE EAST OF THIS, IT'S, UH, CR UM, WELL TO THE NORTH, I GUESS IT'S NORTH TO THE NORTH AND THEN TO THE EAST OF THAT IS MU CAN'T REALLY TELL FROM THE SCREEN. 
          BUT IN SHORT, I MEAN THESE ARE AREAS THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED AS, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UH, RETAIL AND UM, AND OTHER COMMERCIAL BUILDING. 
          IT IS ZONED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? SO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS MF, UM, ONE AND CH SO MF ONE ON THE NORTH WILL JUST BE, UH, FOR MULTIFAMILY, AND THEN TOWARDS THE SOUTH IS THE CH CLUSTER HOME DISTRICT. 
          THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING. 
          HOWEVER, AV IS RECOMMENDING THE, THE FOR DISTRICT. 
          I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I JUST WANT TO, I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KIND OF VISION, UH, UH, WHAT THIS AREA IS. 
          UH, UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS KINDA SURROUNDED BY THE, UH, PROPOSED HOPE GLOBAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT. 
          YES. 
          AND IN THAT HOPE GLOBAL DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S GOING TO BE, UM, MARKET RATE HOUSES, UM, UH, RETAIL OR RESTAURANTS. 
          IT'S ABOUT A BILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT SURROUNDING THAT. 
          YES. 
          AROUND THIS SITE THAT I'M AWARE. 
          AND THEN TO THE, UH, TO THE WEST OF THIS IS A ANOTHER, THINK IT'S MU THREE ALONG WHEATLAND, UH, WE JUST APPROVED THE, OF THE ZONING FOR THIS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, UH, FOR MR. PETRI, WHICH WILL ALSO HAVE A RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL IN, IN RETAIL, I BELIEVE. 
          YES. 
          UH, BUT FOR, UH, THIS PARTICULAR AREA, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, WANTS TO PUT WANTS, UH, INCOME RESTRICTED HOUSING. 
          YES. 
          AND 
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THE APPLICANT CANNOT, UH, PUT IN INCOME RESTRICTED HOUSING HERE UNDER, UH, THE UNDER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR, UM, AS, UH, WMU FIVE. 
          I AM NOT AWARE IF IT'S ALLOWED OR NOT, BUT I KNOW, I KNOW RESIDENTIAL IS ALLOWED. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SINGLE FAMILY, THE, THE T IS THE TH AND THE MULTIFAMILY IS, IS ALLOWED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU, YOU HAVE NO AWARE OH, AWARENESS WHETHER NOT THE ZONING TYPE IS CONSISTENT TO, UH, WHAT THE PROPOSED USE OF THE LAND WILL BE, UM, AT THIS TIME. 
          YEAH, SO I MEAN, IT IS, IT DOES ALLOW MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WE RECEIVED A, UH, EMAIL. 
          THE BODY RECEIVED THE EMAIL A COUPLE WEEKS AGO STATING THAT UNDER THE PROPOSED APPROVAL TYPE AND THAT THEY CAN'T, UH, DEVELOP THERE BECAUSE THEY ARE RESTRICTED, UH, THEY ARE RESTRICTED IN DOING SO BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE, UH, WMU UH, DASH FIVE WALKABLE. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE ANY AWARENESS OF THAT IN, IN TERMS OF THEIR HOUSING FINANCE? YES. 
          THAT'S NOT ACCURATE TO WHAT OUR HOUSING STAFF HAVE TOLD US. 
          IT SAYS THAT'S TYPICALLY NOT THE CASE WHEN YOU HAVE A MIXED USE DISTRICT. 
          IT SIMPLY ALLOWS, UH, ADDITIONAL USES IT. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CAN'T USE THAT TORT, THAT TYPE OF FUNDING MONEY TO FINANCE NON-COMMERCIAL COMPONENTS. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD THIS AS WELL AND TALK TO OUR HOUSING STAFF. 
          IT'S NOT THE ADVICE THAT THEY'VE GIVEN US FOR TYPICAL PRODUCTS FINANCE THAT WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THANK YOU, MS. GARZA. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL, DO WE, DO WE HAVE A SITE PLAN FOR THIS? NO. 
          SO THIS IS JUST A GENERAL ZONING CHANGE, SO NO SITE PLAN IS REQUIRED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I, I DO FOLLOW UP PLEASE. 
          A FOLLOW UP. 
          SO IF THERE'S NO SITE PLAN HERE, UH, THERE, THERE'S A, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THEY WANT TO DO A MULTI-FAMILY TO THE, TO THE NORTH OF WHEATLAND ROAD IN IN TOWN HOMES, UH, TO THE SOUTH. 
          UH, DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GONNA DO IT IN, IN PHASES? I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          LIKE WHEN I ASKED, UM, THEY JUST MENTIONED MULTI-FAMILY COMPLEX ON THE NORTH AND THE TOWN HOME, UM, STRUCTURE TOWARDS, TOWARDS THE SOUTH. 
          AND THEY DIDN'T MENTION HOW MANY, UH, MULTI-FAMILY UNITS VERSUS TOWN HOMES. 
          THEY MIGHT HAVE MENTIONED IT. 
          UH, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER THE, THE ACTUAL NUMBER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'LL KEEP GOING. 
          UH, WE'LL GO TO NUMBER 10. 
          I THINK NUMBER 10 HAS NOT BEEN BRIEFED, IS THAT CORRECT? COMMISSIONER HALL? I BELIEVE IT HAS IN THE PAST, BUT I'D LIKE TO ASK MR. PEPE SOME QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          PLEASE, LET'S HAVE A QUICK BRIEFING. 
          GET REACQUAINTED WITH THE CASE. 
          YEAH, THERE'S BEEN CHANGES AND I, I KNOW THE COMMISSIONER AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION HERE. 
          , UM, LET ME SEE IF I HAVE MUCH VISUAL AID FOR THIS. 
          UM, THE LONG AN, THE SHORT ANSWER AS TO WHAT'S CHANGED IS THEY OFFICIALLY AMENDED ON THE RECORD THE CASE FROM CR TO NS. 
          I DON'T HAVE, I, YOU KNOW WHAT, MY PRESENTATION DOES NOT HAVE, UM, MUCH TO SAY ABOUT THE CHANGE TO THE, UH, TO THE, THE DISTRICT. 
          SO IT DOESN'T INCLUDE, UH, I DON'T HAVE VISUALS FOR, UM, OH, THAT, THAT'S THE CHANGE TO CR, TO NS OR THE D RESTRICTIONS, BUT THOSE ARE ALL PRESENT IN THE PACKET. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO, UH, TO CLARIFY, UH, FOR THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, IT WAS ORIGINALLY REQUESTED FOR CR AND THE ORIGINAL STAFF'S REPORT. 
          UH, ALTHOUGH IT FOUND CR TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING USE, IT WAS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH SINGLE FAMILY IMMEDIATELY CONTACT TO IT. 
          SO THE, UH, 
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AND RECOMMENDED DENIAL, BUT THEN, UH, THE, THE ORIGINAL STAFF REPORT WAS WRITTEN WITH DENIAL IN IT. 
          UH, BUT NOW SINCE THEY HAVE, UH, AMENDED THEIR REQUEST TO NS, UH, WHICH WE WERE ALLOWED TO DO WITHOUT RE RE NOTICING, UM, THE REPORT CONTAINS BOTH ELEMENTS OF NS AND APPROVAL, BUT IT ALSO CONTAINS SOME ELEMENTS OF THE ORIGINAL DENIAL OF THE CR. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WERE NOT GETTING CONFUSED BY THAT. 
          'CAUSE IT SAYS APPROVAL OF THE NS, BUT THEN A LOT OF THE LANGUAGE SORT OF READS LIKE DENIAL OF SOMETHING ELSE. 
          YES. 
          AND, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT NOTE. 
          TOTALLY. 
          UM, COUPLE THINGS. 
          SO THE ORIGINAL NOTIFICATION WAS FOR CR NSA IS LESS INTENSE. 
          IT'S, IT'S ABLE TO BE APPROVED UNDER THIS, UH, EXISTING HEARING AND NOTIFICATION BECAUSE OF ITS LESS, ITS LOWER INTENSITY, UM, BECAUSE CR HAS BEEN ON THE DOCKET. 
          IT'S WHAT'S, WHAT WAS NOTIFIED CR HAS TO REMAIN AS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION. 
          IT'S ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT'S IN YOUR HAND. 
          AS SUCH, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO INCLUDE THE INFORMATION ABOUT OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DON'T APPROVE CR. 
          SO TRY TO HAVE A, I'LL BE FRANK, TRY TO HAVE A LIGHT TOUCH IN THE REPORT, NOT TO, UH, DISPEL ANY OF THAT AND MODIFY AWAY ANY OF THE DISAPPROVAL OF THE CR. 
          UM, ANYTHING MORE ABOUT THE NSA, WE'RE HAPPY TO, TO ITERATE HERE. 
          UM, BUT GENERALLY JUST REALLY SIMPLY, NSA IS, IS, UH, A MORE APPROPRIATE DISTRICT FOR THAT SITE. 
          SO, WHILE I TRIED TO HAVE A LIGHT TOUCH PERSONALLY IN THE REPORT, SO WE MAINTAIN OUR, OUR ORIGINAL, THE, THE, UH, CONSISTENCY OF THE ORIGINAL ONE. 
          NOT, NOT CONFUSE ANYONE, BUT MAYBE I CONFUSE PEOPLE MORE. 
          UM, BUT NOT CONFUSE NOT BE UNTRANSPARENT BY, UH, REMOVING, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TALK OF CR 'CAUSE CR STILL ON THE TABLE HERE AS A, AS A VOTING CONSIDERATION, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS OF MINE TO, TO APPROVE OF THAT SINCE HE'S CHANGED, UM, THE REQUEST. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN SUPPORT OF THE NS, UM, AS WELL. 
          SO , THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT, UM, WITH ALL OF THIS. 
          SO YEAH, SORRY FOR ANY CONFUSION, BUT HAPPY TO CLARIFY NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, YOU ALL, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO, UH, SUBMITTED, UH, DEED RESTRICTIONS, UH, TWICE. 
          AND BOTH, BOTH SUBMISSIONS ARE IN THE REPORT. 
          AND THE ONE THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON TODAY IS THE ONE LISTED FOR, UH, AS, UH, JULY 10TH DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S RIGHT, . 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, UH, WE'LL PROBABLY, UH, PROBABLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT THIS AFTERNOON, JUST, UH, ON THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THE, THE APPLICANT, UH, AM I CORRECT THAT HE FEELS THAT HE WANTS THOSE NEED RESTRICTIONS IN THERE, EVEN THOUGH STAFF SAYS, UH, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARY? YEAH, YEAH. 
          NO, NO, TOTALLY. 
          HE, I MEAN, HE, HE PUT THEM FORWARD FOR A REASON AND IS GOING THROUGH THAT PAINFUL PROCESS FOR A REASON, I IMAGINE. 
          UM, SO YES, I THINK HE SEES THEM AS VALUABLE, BUT I WOULD, YEAH, I'D RECOMMEND THAT YOU, YOU ASK THEM SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING THEM THAT ARE, THAT ARE CRITICAL JUST TO GIVE IT A GOOD LOOK. 
          UM, BUT ON OUR END, NSA REALLY LOW INTENSITY ZONING DISTRICT. 
          UH, IT'S LOWER, EVEN LOWER INTENSITY WHEN IT'S ACTED ON BY THE ADJACENCY REQUIREMENTS OF SINGLE FAMILY TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST AND THE SMALL SIZE OF THE SITE. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. PEPE. 
          I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'LL GO TO, UH, NUMBER 11 WILL BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL AUGUST 7TH. 
          OH, FIRST WEEK IN OCTOBER. 
          FIRST WEEK IN OCTOBER. 
          OKAY, LET'S BRIEF IT TODAY. 
          OKAY, MOVING ON. 
          THIS IS Z 2 45 200, UM, ALSO KNOWN AS Z 25 0 0 0 0 73. 
          AND, UM, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR MU THREE MIXED USE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AND, UH, CONSIDERATION OF A FMU FIVE FORM SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED FWMU THREE FORM SUBDISTRICT WITH THE SHOPFRONT OVERLAY ON PD 5 9 5 SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT. 
          AND IT'S 
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LOCATED ON THE NORTH LINE OF MLK BOULEVARD EAST OF COLONIAL. 
          IT'S ABOUT 0.67 ACRES IN DISTRICT SEVEN. 
          YEAH, THERE IT IS. 
          LOCATED OFF MLK. 
          UH, PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A CHURCH. 
          SOME, SOME RETAIL. 
          IT KIND OF PRESENTS AS A TRADITIONAL RETAIL BUILDING IF YOU'RE STANDING ON MLK. 
          UM, UH, IT'S GOT THAT WALKABLE MIXED USE THREE ZONING RIGHT NOW, UM, WHICH IS MIX OF USE IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN, IN, IN AS LONG AS YOU BUILD THEM ACCORDING TO THE FORM. 
          UM, UP TO THREE STORIES UP WITH A LIMITATION THAT THERE'S A SHOP FRONT OVERLAY ON THAT. 
          AND I CAN GO INTO MORE DETAIL IF NECESSARY. 
          BUT, UH, SKIP THE, THE MAIN FACTS ON THERE. 
          UM, REQUESTING THAT MU THREE FOR A MIX OF USES. 
          UM, NO, IT'S A 25 STORY MIXED USE BUILDING, UM, WITH SOME OTHER COMMERCIAL USES MIXED IN AND, AND STRUCTURED PARKING AS WELL. 
          THAT'S THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL. 
          UH, UNDER MU THREE. 
          HERE'S A SITE AS IT IS TODAY. 
          SO ALL THAT PROPERTY HAS SHOP FRONT OVERLAY ON IT UNDER THAT FWMU THREE, UM, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH THE SURROUNDING ZONING ON ALL SIDES. 
          WMU THREE WITHIN 5 9 5. 
          UH, MU THREE WOULD TAKE IT OUT OF 5, 9 5, I'D NOTE. 
          UM, LET'S GET DOWN TO THE SITE. 
          SO WE'RE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MLK, LOOKING NORTH ACROSS, TOWARDS IT AND SORT OF NORTH LITTLE MORE NORTHEAST, ACTUALLY IT'S MORE NORTH 'CAUSE THE GRID'S DIAGONAL HERE. 
          UM, LOOKING TOWARDS THE FREEWAY A LITTLE MORE, UH, DOWN CLOSER TO THE CORNER OF COLONIAL SLASH VE UH, SLASH MLK. 
          I THINK WE'RE LOOKING UP COLONIAL HERE. 
          YEAH, IT'S THE SIDE YARD OF ONE OF THE BUILDINGS AND THE REAR YARD AND THE ALLEY. 
          THEY GOT AN ALLEY BEHIND THERE. 
          UM, LOOKING WEST, UH, ACROSS, UM, COLONIAL FROM THE SITE, SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL USES FOR FURTHER DOWN MLK AND THEN THE RETAIL ACROSS THE WAY. 
          THIS IS VERY SMALL, I'M SORRY. 
          UM, SO RIGHT, WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE EXISTING RIGHTS OF WMU THREE. 
          UM, I HAD NOTE, UH, THE MAX HEIGHT IS FIVE. 
          THE STORIES ALSO DICTATE, UM, HOW THINGS CAN BE BUILT THERE BECAUSE THE FLOOR PLATES ARE PRETTY PRESCRIPTIVE IN THE FORM-BASED ZONING. 
          UM, ALL THOSE OTHER STANDARDS, UM, THE SETBACKS ARE PRETTY SIMILAR, UM, AMONG THE DIFFERENT, UH, DEVELOPMENT TYPES. 
          UM, BUT YOU HAVE TO KIND OF, WHEN YOU REBUILD THE BUILDING, YOU HAVE TO BUILD A, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S TRADITIONAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT STYLE, WHICH IS BUILDINGS NEAR THE STREET AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'S OPEN SPACE BUILT INTO THAT. 
          UH, WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSED UNDER MU THREE, UM, HAS A GREATER FRONT SETBACK. 
          IT DOES HAVE URBAN FORM SETBACK ACTING ON IT. 
          UM, BUT THEN IT HAS, UM, AN FAR, UH, MAXIMUM, BUT THAT DOESN'T EXIST IN THE, UH, FORM-BASED DISTRICT. 
          IT GOES UP TO 270 FEET. 
          UH, THE 20 STORIES, UM, LOT COVERAGE OF 80%, UH, RPS AND, AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER SPECIAL, UM, DESIGNATIONS ACT ON IT. 
          UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO MAINTAIN WALKABLE MIXED JUICE. 
          UH, WE'VE GOT A THREE RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD TAKE IT UP TO FIVE, UM, UNDER THESE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO ONLY AN INCREASE ON TWO STORIES. 
          UH, JUST WHAT WE SAW IS APPROPRIATE FOR A SITE LIKE THIS GIVEN THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURAL INPUTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE EXCEPT FOR THOSE STORIES AND HEIGHT REMAINS SIMILAR IN THE, IN THE THREE VERSUS THE FIVE. 
          HERE'S THE, UH, PLACE TIME FOR THE AREA AND NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE, OF COURSE HAS, UM, HAS MULTIFAMILY AS A PRIMARY USE. 
          UH, MIXED USE VERTICAL, UH, IN THEIR LODGING IS, IS BUILT IN THERE AS WELL. 
          BUT, UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN, I'D SAY NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE IS MORE IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT THE, UH, UM, SORT OF SPATIAL REQUIREMENTS BUILT IN THERE. 
          WE GOT THOSE USES RIGHT AS PRIMARY USES, BUT THINK ABOUT THE SPATIAL REQUIREMENTS IN NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE. 
          UM, ALSO APPLICABLE IS THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORRIDOR PLAN, UM, THAT HAD A LITTLE BIT TO SAY ABOUT, ABOUT ZONING, UM, ALONG THESE CORRIDORS. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, WE, WE DID GIVE THAT A MENTION, UH, IT IS TO, FROM 2001. 
          UM, STILL KIND OF THE BEST CURRENT PLAN THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS SITE, UH, LOCALLY, IT IS ALSO THE TRINITY RIVER 
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CORRIDOR COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE STUDY. 
          IT CALLED FOR, AGAIN, KIND OF A COMMUNITY SCALE RETAIL ALONG MLK. 
          UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF BEEN PUT IN PLACE BY THE, I WOULD SAY THAT'S HAS BEEN CARRIED OUT BY THAT, SOME OF THE ZONING THAT'S BEEN PUT IN PLACE THERE. 
          UM, BUT THAT IS PART OF THAT LARGER AREA. 
          SO AGAIN, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS, IS A-F-W-M-U, IT'S AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION FOR FWU FIVE FORM SUBDISTRICT WITHIN P TO 5 95. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, QUESTIONS COMMISSIONERS. 
          I'LL START OFF WITH JUST A, A BASIC QUESTION. 
          UH, WHAT IS A SHOPFRONT OVERLAY? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          SO SHOPFRONT OVERLAY IS A PROVISION THAT LIVES ONLY IN OUR, UH, FORM-BASED ZONING CALLED ARTICLE 13. 
          UM, SO WE, WE START WITH FORM-BASED ZONING. 
          FORM-BASED ZONING SAYS THAT MOST USES ARE ALLOWED IN THAT AREA. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S HOW FORM-BASED ZONING WORKS AS A CONCEPT ACROSS THE PLANNING WORLD. 
          UM, MOST USES ARE ALLOWED IF YOU BUILD A CERTAIN TYPE OF FORM. 
          SO ANYTHING THAT GETS BUILT NEW IN THIS EXISTING FORM-BASED ZONING HAS TO BUILD. 
          AGAIN, TRADITIONAL DEVELOPMENT STYLE BUILDINGS CLOSE TO THE STREET, UM, UH, ACCESS TO THE STREET WALK, WALKABILITY, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE TRADITIONAL DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE BAKED INTO FORM-BASED ZONING. 
          UM, BEYOND JUST THAT, THOSE BASIC PRINCIPLES IN FORM-BASED ZONING, UH, YOU HAVE TO PICK A DEVELOPMENT STYLE. 
          SO DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT STYLES OR, OR SORT OF BUILDING TYPES ARE BAKED INTO THE ZONING, THE ZONING DISTRICTS. 
          SO WMU HAS PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT TYPES, UM, OF THE FORM-BASED DISTRICTS, UH, BAKED INTO IT. 
          UH, BUT WHAT'S REALLY LIMITING HERE IS, IS IS OUR HEIGHTENED STANDARDS HERE. 
          UM, SO THEY CAN BUILD ANY DEVELOPMENT TYPE THAT'S PERMITTED IN THE FORM-BASED ZONING. 
          THEY CAN DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES IN THAT, UM, AS LONG AS THEY BUILD THE BUILDING TO LOOK LIKE TRADITIONAL BUILDING. 
          AND I THINK OUR STAFF WOULD SAY THAT THAT LIMITS A LOT OF WHAT THEY CAN DO IN PRACTICE BECAUSE YOU, YOU DON'T SEE, UH, TRADITIONAL URBAN URBANISM, YOU KNOW, FIVE STORY PARISIAN TYPE BUILDINGS CLOSE TO THE STREET WINDOWS AND, AND ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES WITH INDUSTRIAL USES IN THEM, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU DON'T SEE THAT. 
          WHAT SHOPFRONT OVERLAY DOES IS THAT IT MANDATES A CERTAIN TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT TYPE WITHIN THE FORM DISTRICTS. 
          THAT DEVELOPMENT TYPE HAS TO BE A SHOP FRONT DISTRICT. 
          SO THERE ARE TWO SHOP FRONTS. 
          THERE'S SINGLE STORY SHOP FRONT, SO THEY CAN BUILD A SINGLE STORY. 
          UM, I WISH I HAD A GOOD EXAMPLE, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, OF KIND OF THE SINGLE STORY SHOPS, JUST PRETTY MUCH JUST COMMERCIAL IN THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ON THAT FIRST FLOOR. 
          UM, IF YOU'RE IN A SINGLE, SINGLE STORY SHOP FRONT TYPE DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER OPTION IS, IS A, UM, YOU KNOW, A MULTI-STORY, UM, SHOP FRONT. 
          SO WHERE YOU MAY HAVE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL AND YOU MAY HAVE, UM, RESIDENTIAL ON TOP. 
          SO BECAUSE THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT TYPE IS MANDATED WHERE A SHOP FRONT OVERLAY EXISTS ALONG THE FRONTAGES, IT, IT PRETTY MUCH, UM, SAYS MULTIFAMILY IS PERMITTED ON THE UPPER STORIES. 
          IT'S NOT PERMITTED ON THE GROUND STORIES. 
          YOUR GROUND STORIES HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN FINISH OUT IN TERMS OF, UM, WINDOWS, DOORS, UM, STORY HEIGHTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, SUCH THAT THEY'RE RETAIL COMPA. 
          IF, IF YOU CAN'T, I MEAN, IF YOU CAN'T LEASE 'EM AS RETAIL, YOU HAVE TO BOWL 'EM OUT AS A RETAIL AND THEN THEY SIT VACANT BECAUSE MULTIFAMILY IS NOT A, UM, PERMITTED USE IN THERE. 
          I MEAN, I HAVE FAITH THAT THAT KIND OF THING CAN, CAN GET BUILT, BUT I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT, UM, IN, IN EXECUTION OVER, OVER THE TIME. 
          BUT IT, IT HAS TO BE BUILT OUT AS A SHOP FRONT. 
          UM, AND IT HAS TO HAVE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN THAT FIRST FLOOR. 
          THEN THEY CAN DO MULTIFAMILY IN THOSE UPPER FLOORS IN A SHOPFRONT FAIR GAME. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT A SHOPFRONT OVERLAY DOES. 
          IT MANDATES THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT TYPES THAT CAN GO THERE. 
          AND THE TWO THAT ARE THERE. 
          FIRST FLOORS HAVE TO BE RES UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, ONE MORE THING I MUST ADD IS THAT THIS APPLIES TO THE FORM-BASED ZONING, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T, UH, APPLY TO OUR MU ONE, TWO, AND THREE DISTRICTS. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT. 
          IF, IF, SO, IF YOU HAD AN MU I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THIS, BUT IF YOU HAD AN MU ONE, MU TWO MU THREE WITH THE SHOPFRONT OVERLAY, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T ACT ON IT IN THAT WAY. 
          IT, IT, THEY'RE JUST NOT COMPATIBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, SO YOU KNOW, TH THESE, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CASES WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE 
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HAVE AN APPLICATION, WE HAVE A, UH, AN APPLICANT WHO IS ASKING FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME ENTITLEMENTS STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, BUT FOR A, A DIFFERENT SET OF ENTITLEMENTS. 
          SO IF WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN MAYBE JUST HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THE DIFFERENCES. 
          THE FIRST ONE WAS OF COURSE THE SHOP, SHOP FRONT OVERLAY. 
          WHICH STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT IT BE REQUIRED? THE APPLICANT IS NOT, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          NO, NO, NO CHANGE RECOMMENDED TO THE SHOP FRONT OVERLAY. 
          WE SEE THE VALUE OF A, UM, YOU KNOW, THE RETAIL CHARACTER OF, OF MLK AS A RETAIL SPINE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND UH, ANOTHER ONE IS, IS PROBABLY THE BIG ONE, WHICH IS THE HEIGHT, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDING 80 FEET OR FIVE STORIES. 
          THE APPLICANT IS 25 STORIES, I THINK TWO 70. 
          YES. 
          UM, FIVE STORIES ROUGHLY WHAT THEY COULD DO NOW BY, RIGHT. 
          UH, SO RIGHT NOW IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. 
          THE WAY THAT OUR FORM BASE LAYS IT OUT, WMU THREE THREE IS THREE AND A HALF STORIES. 
          WMU FIVE IS FIVE STORIES. 
          SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE LIMITED TO THE THREE AND A HALF RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, UNDER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, IT'S FIVE. 
          UM, I'M, I'M OF NO ILLUSION THAT THEIR 20 SOMETHING STORY BUILDING CAN BE BUILT UNDER THE, THE STAFF'S PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS. 
          WE'RE LOOKING FOR WHAT'S AN APPROPRIATE DISTRICT FOR THE SITE, GIVEN THE INFRASTRUCTURAL INPUTS. 
          AND IN, IN THIS CASE, WE AGREED ON WMU FIVE IS AN APPROPRIATE, UH, ALTERNATIVE ON THE SITE. 
          WE'RE NOT SAYING IT'S GONNA BUILD THEIR DEVELOPMENT CONCEPT, BUT IT'S AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE SITE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I'LL HAVE ABOUT 35 OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I'M GONNA, UH, LET SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES PROBABLY ASK A BUNCH OF THOSE. 
          COMMISSIONER WILL I, COMMISSIONER HALL CAN CURRENTLY, THEY BUILD MULTIFAMILY ON THIS SITE WITH A SHOTGUN OVERLAY. 
          YES. 
          WITH THE EXISTING ZONING. 
          YES. 
          ON THE SECOND AND THIRD STORIES, IF THEY, IF THEY REBUILT THEIR BUILDINGS, THEY COULD BUILD A THREE STORY BUILDING, RETAIL FIRST FLOOR, CERTAIN FLOOR PLATE, CERTAIN LOOK, SECOND FLOOR MULTIFAMILY, THIRD FLOOR MULTIFAMILY, I HALF POTENTIALLY. 
          AND, UM, THINK KIND MISCONCEPTION IS THAT THERE WAS MULTIPLE PRO THAT THERE, THAT THEY, THEY DID RECEIVE A REPL, BUT THE BUILDING, THE EXISTING BUILDING SIT ACTUALLY IS BUILT OVER A MULTIPLE PLAQUES ORIGINALLY. 
          AM I CORRECT? WHAT, WHAT WAS THE LAST PART OF THE QUESTION? THAT THERE WAS A REPL DONE, BUT IT WASN'T BECAUSE OF ADDITIONAL PROPERTY PURCHASE. 
          IT WAS BECAUSE THE PLA THE EXISTING BUILDING IS BUILT OVER MULTIPLE PLA LINES. 
          SURE. 
          BUT IF THEY RE PLATTED ALL OF THOSE FOUR OR FIVE LOTS TOGETHER AND THEN TORE DOWN THEIR BUILDINGS, THEY COULD THEN BUILD THAT. 
          THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THAT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          UM, AND ALSO, UM, MY BRAIN JUST WENT . 
          THEY, THEY, THEY CAN CURRENTLY BUILD WITH AND THE MU AND THE MU FIVE, UM, THE, THE FDME, HOW, HOW, UM, PD FIVE FOR NINE FIVE IS ROUGHLY CLOSE TO 24 YEARS OLD. 
          HOW NEW IS THIS PARTICULAR FARM DISTRICT? UM, WITHIN PD 5 95? I DON'T THINK IT'S AS OLD. 
          IT'S NOT AS OLD AS PD 5 95. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE FORM DISTRICTS CAME IN A REVISION TO 5 95. 
          THAT CAME LATER. 
          WE HAVEN'T HAD THE ABOUT FOUR TO FIVE YEARS OLD. 
          WELL, THE P THE PD, THE PD IS, IS THE PD ROUGHLY ABOUT 24 YEARS OLD. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE, THIS PARTICULAR FARM DISTRICT IS A, A NEWER, A NEW, INSTEAD OF CREATING A NEW PD, WE CREATED A FARM. 
          YES. 
          A DISTRICT MORE, MORE RECENTLY. 
          SO, AND MAYBE THE LAST, THERE WASN'T DE FORM DISTRICT IN THE CITY WHEN PD 5 9 5 WAS CREATED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          THEY CREATED FORM DISTRICTS. 
          THIS IS ONE OF THE EARLIER PLACES THEY IMPLEMENTED IT AS A, UH, BUILDABLE OPTION. 
          UM, SO THEY IMPLEMENTED IN THIS AREA AND, AND, AND MEAN THAT IT IS THE NEWER, UH, IT IS A, THE NEWEST, ONE OF THE NEWEST PART OF PD 5 9 5. 
          'CAUSE YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS PLAN COMMUNITY INPUT ON THE VISION FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA? I, I WOULD SAY SO, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL. 
          MR. PEPE, UH, ROUGHLY WHAT SIZE IS THE LOT IN QUESTION HERE? POINT SEVEN, SIX ACRES. 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IS THAT, I'M JUST LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS. 
          THERE, THERE'S, THERE IS A WINNER'S ASSEMBLY, WHICH I ASSUME THAT'S THE CHURCH THAT'S SORT OF THE CENTER OF THIS. 
          UH, BUT THEN THERE'S A CAR DEALERSHIP ON ONE SIDE AND A MOTEL ON THE OTHER, THAT 0.7 ACRES. 
          DOES IT INCLUDE JUST THE CHURCH OR ANY OF THIS OTHER PROPERTY? 
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POINT SEVEN SIX IS THE PROPERTY YOU SEE IN RED, THE ONLY PORTIONS THAT ARE TO BE REZONED. 
          SO ANYTHING IN RED IS PART OF OUR, OUR, THE CALCULATION IN, IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE. 
          AND, UM, NOTHING ELSE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S A PARKING LOT. 
          THE CAR DEALERSHIP, THE CHURCH AND A, THE, THE MOTEL, I WANNA SAY IT'S THREE TECHNICALLY THREE LITTLE COMMERCIAL BUILDING LOTS, UM, AND A PARKING LOT, UM, AT COLONIAL. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND REALLY THE ONLY THING I KNOW ABOUT THIS CASE IS THERE WAS A VERY LENGTHY ARTICLE IN THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS ABOUT IT RECENTLY, BUT THEY, SPEAKING OF A 25 STORY TOWER, IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME, UH, WHERE WOULD PARKING HAVE TO BE BELOW GRADE AND OR I, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE SEEMS TO BE NO PARKING REALLY AVAILABLE ANYWHERE. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE PARKING WITH WHATEVER IT IS, IS BAKED INTO CODE THAT'S, THAT'S THERE. 
          UH, WE DON'T HAVE REQUIREMENTS AT THIS TIME FOR WHETHER THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE BELOW GRADE STRUCTURED OR SURFACE, WHICH YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT ROOM. 
          BUT, BUT I, I THINK THAT IF, IF WE'RE, IF, IF THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING A MULTI-STORY COMMERCIAL AND MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTY, IT KIND OF IMPLIES THAT IT HAS TO BE EITHER STRUCTURED PARKING OR, UH, EITHER ABOVE GROUND OR BELOW GROUND. 
          OUR COAT'S NOT GONNA GONNA PICK WHETHER IT'S ABOVE OR BELOW GROUND IN THAT CASE. 
          BUT YEAH, THERE ARE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ON THE SITE, UM, FOR THE DIFFERENT USES AND THEY HAVE TO FULFILL THEM ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 
          UM, HAVE TO, AND IT'S UP TO THEM TO, IF THEY WANT TO PUT IT BELOW OR ABOVE. 
          YEAH, I, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND IT MAY BE PREMATURE TO THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS, BUT THEN I'M, I'M STILL THINKING YOU RECOMMENDED IT MAYBE FIVE STORIES VERSUS THE APPLICANT'S ASKING FOR 25. 
          THAT'S A BIG, BIG DIFFERENCE. 
          AND THERE'D BE A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE, PARKING ISSUES, ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT AT SOME POINT WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, I GUESS. 
          YEP. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, FOLLOW THAT COMMISSIONER. 
          HAVE TO, I THINK MY QUESTION'S PROBABLY FOR LEGAL MS. MORRISON, ARE SHOPFRONT OVERLAYS GOING TO BE ENFORCEABLE ONCE SB EIGHT 40 TAKES EFFECT IN SEPTEMBER THE FIRST WITH STRAIGHT FORM BASED ZONING. 
          'CAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS ANY PARCEL THAT HAS A MIXED USE ZONING ON IT IS, YOU KNOW, CAN BE OVERWRITTEN BY EIGHT 40. 
          AND WE MUNICIPALITIES CAN NO LONGER REQUIRE ANYTHING TO BE MIXED USE. 
          IF YOU CAN'T REQUIRE MIXED USE, THEN HOW IS A SHOPFRONT OVERLAY ENFORCEABLE? WE THINK THE OVERLAY WILL BE ENFORCEABLE JUST AS, AS THE FORM ITSELF. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, JUST A, UH, FOLLOW UP TO THAT, BUT NOT A QUESTION. 
          I THINK WE'RE GONNA GET A BRIEFING ON, ON ALL THOSE CHANGES. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, IT'S JUST, THEY'RE, EVERYONE'S STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY MEAN. 
          I JUST THOUGHT I'D THROW IT OUT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THIS CASE. 
          IT'S IN A LOT OF OTHER CASES WHERE WE GET, UM, STRAIGHT, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR STRAIGHT FORM BASED ZONING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          THE REASON THE ORIGINAL, THE ORIGINAL REASON THAT WE WERE GONNA HOLD IT TO AUGUST WAS SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE CLARITY ON THAT PORTION. 
          AND STAFF WAS TRYING TO GET CLARITY FROM AUSTIN ON THE, ON WHETHER THAT SHOP FRONT. 
          SO, BUT THE APPLICANT REQUESTED UNTIL OCTOBER. 
          BUT THAT WE, WE HAD ALREADY TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION  IN THE LAST WEEK. 
          WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS. 
          . 
          SO IT'S OCTOBER, NOT AUGUST. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT'S BECAUSE THE APPLICANT ASKED OCTOBER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING YESTERDAY. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I JUST HAD A TWO FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS. 
          UM, SIMILAR TO CHAIR SHADI, THE SHOP FRONT OVERLAY, DOES IT APPLY TO BOTH COLONIAL AND MLK OR IS IT ONLY MLK? YES. 
          ANY PUBLIC FRONTAGE BECAUSE OF HOW IT'S CORN LOT THE WHOLE SITE. 
          YEAH, IT'S THE WHOLE SITE. 
          SO ANY PLACE WHERE WE MEET A PUBLIC STREET. 
          OKAY. 
          COLONIAL. 
          SO YOU OVERLAY M IS ALREADY THE ENTIRE DISTRICT. 
          ONE MORE TIME. 
          WELL, IT, YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION. 
          IT APPLIES TO ALL FRONTAGES ON THIS PARCEL. 
          IT IT DOES, IT DOES. 
          SO IT HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU. 
          FARM BASED ZONING IS VERY CONCERNED WITH THE, THE FRONT EDGES OF PROJECT. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE TWO VERY, UH, WELL DESIGNED FRONTS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THEN THE, AND THIS MAY NOT, WELL, IT'S A GLOBAL QUESTION. 
          MULTIFAMILY USES CAN HAVE AMENITY SPACES THAT ARE MORE PUBLIC FACING. 
          YOU THINK OF FITNESS CENTERS, THE LEASING CENTER, 
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THERE'S A NUMBER OF USES. 
          WOULD THOSE QUALIFY UNDER THE SHOP FLOW OVERLAY? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION THAT I HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO TOO MUCH. 
          I MEAN, TYPICALLY THINGS THAT ARE ACCESSORY TO MULTIFAMILY LIKE THAT ARE, ARE TREATED JUST PART OF THE, JUST AS YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THE MULTIFAMILY, I IMPORTANTLY, BEYOND JUST THE USE THAT LIVES IN THOSE SUITES ON THE FIRST FLOOR, THERE'S ALSO THE DESIGN. 
          THEY HAVE TO BE DESIGNED LIKE BIG WINDOWS, TALLER FLOOR PLATES AND, AND COMMON ENTRIES OR FREQUENT ENTRIES. 
          SO I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT INTERPRETATION ON, YOU KNOW, AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS WHERE YOU COULD PUT, UM, THE MULTIFAMILIES GYM ON THE FIRST FLOOR. 
          UM, SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          I'D LIKE TO LOOK INTO MORE, BUT THE GOOD, BUT THE GOOD NEWS, OR THE THING THAT WE CAN BE CERTAIN OF IS THAT IT'S GONNA BE DESIGNED, UM, IN A RETAIL, UH, CONFIGURATION FORMAT. 
          NO, I UNDERSTAND. 
          AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE DIAGRAMS THAT ARE IN ARTICLE 13. 
          I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE A PROHIBITION BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT THE USE, NOT WHAT IT'S RELATED TO. 
          SO ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S SOMETHING FOR THIS CASE, BUT IT WAS JUST A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE. 
          HAS A TRAFFIC STUDY BEEN DONE AT, AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, UM, BECAUSE CURRENTLY ANY TRAFFIC THAT ANY ACTIVITIES AT THIS LOCATION NAR, UM, THE NORMAL CREATES A BACK FLOW OF TRAFFIC. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ASKED FOR ONE AS PART OF THE, AS PART OF THE REQUESTS BY OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT IN THIS EARLY PART. 
          UM, TRAFFIC ANALYSIS IS STILL REQUIRED AS, AS THROUGH THE PROCESS, BUT WE, WE DID ASK FOR THAT AS PART OF THIS, UM, EARLY REVIEW DID, DID NOT RECEIVE IT. 
          UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, TRAFFIC ANALYSIS DOES HAVE TO OCCUR IN A GENERAL ZONE CHANGE SOONER OR LATER. 
          BUT THIS IS THE KIND OF CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE IT WOULD BEHOOVE THEM TO DO IT EARLIER. 
          AND THIS PARTICULAR FARM BASED DISTRICT, UM, DOES IT STRETCH FROM AL LIPSON TO, TO BOTHAM? JOHN MARTIN LUTHER KING BACK TO, UM, I I 3 45 EXIT. 
          IT'S A PRETTY LARGE, I BELIEVE IT GOES DOWN TO HAM JOHN IN THE SOUTHWEST. 
          IT GOES TO THE FREEWAY IN THE NORTHEAST. 
          AND THEN RECENTLY FOREST THEATER WAS APPROVED WITH A WMU FIVE BASE ACROSS THE FREEWAY TO TIE 'EM TOGETHER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY COMMUNITY MEETINGS HAVE BEEN HAD? I DON'T. 
          WOULD YOU SAY MAYBE THAT THERE'S POSSIBLY ONLY TWO? I WOULD, I WOULD TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT FOR SURE. 
          IN THE LAST WEEK. 
          I WOULD TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER DOKI. 
          HI. 
          I, I REALLY LIKED YOUR EXPLANATION TO, UH, SHEET'S QUESTION. 
          SO I HAVE ANOTHER SORT OF BASIC, IF YOU CAN, UM, DO IT IN LAYMAN'S TERMS. WHY DID YOU, LIKE, WHY ARE YOU PROPOSING AN ALTERNATE APPROACH VERSUS THE PROPOSED APPROACH? YES, THANK YOU. 
          WE, WHEN, ESPECIALLY, I MEAN, LET'S BE REAL. 
          THIS IS TRUE OF ANY ZONING CASE, BUT ESPECIALLY AS ZONING, GENERAL ZONE CHANGE, WE DON'T APPROVE PROJECTS HERE. 
          WE APPROVE ZONING DISTRICTS HERE. 
          UM, PROJECTS ARE APPROVED AT PERMITTING. 
          WE DON'T APPROVE PARTICULAR PROJECTS OR DESIGNS OR THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          WE APPROVE, WE APPROVE SETS OF RULES, WHICH IS WHAT ZONING IS. 
          SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WE'RE STAFF'S NOT APPROVING OR DENYING THE PROJECT. 
          UM, WE'RE NOT APPROVING THEIR PROPOSED ZONING. 
          SO WE, WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH IT AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS PROPOSED ZONING IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR, UM, THE SITE, UH, BASED ON THE EXISTING PATTERN. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE FORMAT OF, OF RULES IN THE AREA, JUST NOT APPROPRIATE FOR, FOR THE SITE GIVEN, UM, ALL OF THOSE INPUTS. 
          I, I THINK STAFF, ANYTIME WE HAVE A CASE, HAS A BIT OF AN OBLIGATION TO FIND A GOOD DISTRICT, NOT NECESSARILY TO ALWAYS FIND THE DISTRICT THAT BUILDS THE PROJECT OF THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, BUT WE ARE USING, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HEARING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO, TO SEE WHAT'S A GOOD PLANNING SOLUTION, UM, FOR THIS SITE. 
          SO WE LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE ARE VERY AWARE THAT WM U FIVE DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH THEIR PROJECT. 
          BUT NOT, NOT EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TASKED TO DO. 
          WE'RE WE'RE TASKED TO FIND A GOOD SET OF RULES FOR THE SITE. 
          AND YOU LOOK AT THE, THE INPUTS OF THE SITE, I MEAN, WE'RE ON A SIX SIX LANE, MLK, UM, WITH IMPROVEMENTS ON 
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THE WAY ON ON MLK, UM, PROXIMITY TO DOWNTOWN GOOD TRANSIT, UM, SUPPORTS A LITTLE EXTRA DENSITY IS IS IS SUPPORTIVE OF A LITTLE EXTRA DENSITY. 
          TWO, TWO STORIES, ONE AND A HALF STORIES. 
          UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A GOOD ZONING THROUGH THE TOOL, THE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE WE'RE AT, WHICH IS THIS, UM, HOPE, HOPE THAT WORKS FOR THE APPLICANT FOR, FOR A A BENEFICIAL COMMUNITY PROJECT. 
          UM, IT'S PROBABLY NOT IT, OH NO, IT DOESN'T WORK FOR THEIR, THEIR EXACT PROPOSAL. 
          BUT I, I HOPE IT WORKS FOR THEM IN A, UM, IN A LONG TERM SENSE THAT IT CAN BE A BENEFICIAL, UH, PROJECT. 
          BUT I MEAN, ADDITIONAL DENSITY WE'RE SEEING AS APPROPRIATE HERE. 
          UM, WHETHER THAT'S EXACTLY THE PROPOSAL OF THE APPLICANT OR NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, MAYBE YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO ME THE DIFFERENCE IN THE DENSITY. 
          'CAUSE I, I SEE THE CHART SAYS 3.2 FAR AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN SOME OF THESE TERMS TOO, BUT YEAH. 
          BUT THAT, BUT YOUR ALTERNATE APPROACH SAYS NO, MAX. 
          SO IF YOU COULD JUST WALK ME MM-HMM . 
          THROUGH WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT, IT'S BECAUSE FORM-BASED ZONING TAKES A SIMPLER APPROACH TO DENSITY LIMITATIONS THAN DOES OUR, WE HAVE OUR, OUR TRA NOT TRADITIONAL, OUR, UM, CONVENTIONAL ZONING DISTRICTS OF MU MU THREE THREE IS A EUCLIDEAN ZONING DISTRICT, UM, NOT A FORM-BASED ONE. 
          UM, AND THAT DISTRICT, UH, DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE LIMITS ON THE UNIT COUNTS, UH, BUT IT DOES HAVE LIMITS ON THE FLOOR AREA RATIO, WHICH I THINK OUR STAFF VIEWS OR, OR WILL PUT IN A DENSITY BOX BECAUSE IT'S A, UH, REGULATION ON DENSITY, A FLOOR AREA RATIO BEING HOW MUCH FLOOR AREA CAN YOU PUT ON A SITE RELATIVE TO THE LAND THAT YOU HAVE? SO, UH, I'D REMIND EVERYONE THAT THE EXISTING ZONING DOES NOT HAVE A DENSITY MAXIMUM. 
          THE PROPOSED ZONING, OR EXCUSE ME, THE STAFF RECOMMENDED ZONING DOES NOT HAVE A DENSITY MAXIMUM. 
          BUT THAT'S BECAUSE DENSITY MEANING, UH, THE AMOUNT OF UNITS AND THE AMOUNT OF FLOOR AREA IS NOT A TOOL THAT OUR FORM-BASED ZONING USES TO PUT FENCES ON A PROJECT. 
          IT USES OTHER TOOLS. 
          IT USES, UM, PRESCRIPTIVE SETBACKS, IT USES, UM, THOSE, UH, DESIGN TYPES, THOSE DESIGN FEATURES, UM, HOW THE BUILDING HAS TO LOOK. 
          UM, AND I MEAN, FRANKLY, THE, ONE OF THE STRONGER LIMITS IS THE HEIGHT. 
          SO FORM-BASED ZONING, WHEN YOU LOOK AND READ THE RULES, THE WALLS HAVE TO PRETTY MUCH BE BETWEEN THE FIVE, THE FIVE FOOT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE 15 FOOT THAT'S A 10 FOOT ZONE. 
          YOU KIND OF HAVE A PRETTY PREDICTIVE, UM, IDEA OF WHERE A BUILDING CAN BE ON A SITE IN REGARDS TO THAT. 
          WELL, OKAY, SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE A POTENTIAL BUILD OF A ENVELOPE THEN IF WE LIMIT OUR HEIGHT TO THREE AND A HALF STORIES, 50 FEET, FIVE STORIES, 80 FEET, WELL, WE'VE JUST BUILT, WE'VE JUST LIMITED THE DENSITY BY BUILDING A BOX OR, OR A CONCEPTUAL BOX THAT'S, UM, A CERTAIN WIDTH, LENGTH AND HEIGHT. 
          THAT'S THE DENSITY. 
          THAT'S THE WAY THAT THAT DISTRICT LIMITS DENSITY. 
          SO WHILE THE MORE CONVENTIONAL DISTRICTS SAY, OH, YOU MAY ONLY HAVE, UM, 36 UNITS PER ACRE, UM, AND THEN IT HAS ALL THESE OTHER RULES FOR HEIGHT AND, AND SETBACKS. 
          FORM-BASED OWNING IS MORE SIMPLIFIED. 
          IT SAYS IF YOU BUILD A QUALITY WALKABLE BUILDING, YOU'RE LIMITED TO A CERTAIN HEIGHT. 
          YOU CAN PUT AS MANY USES OR UNITS IN THAT AS YOU WANT. 
          WE'RE ALREADY LIMITING YOUR DENSITY BY LIMITING YOUR HEIGHT AND YOUR FLOOR PLATE. 
          AND THEN, SO OUT OF THE THREE OPTIONS WE SEE ON THE TABLE, WHICH ONE GENERATES THE MOST HOUSING? THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A FLOOR AREA MAXIMUM ON WMU THREE. 
          SO WM, OR NO, EXCUSE ME, MU THREE ALSO DOES NOT HAVE A UNIT CAP. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, THE FLOOR AREA IS THE CAP THERE. 
          SO WHEN YOU TAKE THE SITE, WHEN YOU, AND I'LL, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'LL TELL YOU THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF RESIDENTIAL THAT CAN BE BUILT THERE UNDER THE SITE. 
          SO WE TAKE 0.76 TIMES THE SQUARE FOOT'S IN AN ACRE AND THEN MULTIPLY IT, MULTIPLY THAT BY THE BASE RESIDENTIAL FLOOR AREA. 
          UM, WHICH IF THEY INCLUDE A LITTLE BIT, IF THEY INCLUDE SOME DEGREES OF, UM, RESIDENT, EXCUSE ME, IF THEY INCLUDE DEGREES OF, UH, GROUND FLOOR RETAILER, THINGS LIKE THAT IS FOR FLORIDA AREA FOUR, THEY COULD BUILD, 
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LET'S SAY 130, 130,000 SQUARE FEET OF RESIDENTIAL OR YEAH. 
          OF RESIDENTIAL. 
          LET ME NOT GET TOO IN THE WEEDS ABOUT RESIDENTIAL VERSUS, I GUESS I'M JUST LIKE MORE, YOU KNOW, I I, I HAVE A VERY SIMPLISTIC LOOK MM-HMM. 
          VIEW ON THIS. 
          AND I'M JUST SEEING 20 STORIES AND LIKE NOT BEING AN EXPERT, I WOULD ASSUME THAT CREATES MORE HOUSING. 
          I, WITHOUT DOING THE MATH, BECAUSE THEN, SO WHAT'S THE, THE BIGGEST, OR ONE OF THE BIGGER LIMITS HERE IS THAT FLORIO RATIO. 
          I THINK IT CAN BE DIFFICULT TO HIT 270 FEET OF BUILDING WITH, UM, A 4.0 FLORIO RATIO. 
          I GENERALLY THINK IN YOU, YOU HAVE TO KIND OF DRAW A LITTLE FLOOR PLATES AND THEN STACK 'EM ON TOP OF EACH OTHER TO FIND OUT HOW MANY, UM, HOW MANY UNITS YOU CAN KIND OF DO. 
          BUT I, I HAVE A STRONG SUSPICION FLUOR AREA RATIO UNDER THE PROPOSED ZONING IS GONNA BE A BIGGER LIMITING FACTOR ON THEM, THEM THAN IS THE HEIGHT. 
          UM, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE THING. 
          FORM-BASED ZONING SAYS, HEY, YOUR PRIMARY THING IS YOUR BUILDING WALLS AND YOUR HEIGHT. 
          YOU'RE LIMITED TO THAT. 
          BUT, UH, EUCLIDEAN ZONING, LIKE THE W OR THE MU THREE SAYS, OH, YOU'RE LIMITED TO A CERTAIN HEIGHT, YOU'RE LIMITED TO A FLOOR AREA RATIO. 
          YOU'RE LIMITED TO, UM, SETBACKS. 
          UH, YOU'RE LIMITED TO A UNIT DENSITY. 
          FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE'S MORE RESTRICTIVE. 
          IT DIFFERS FROM SITE TO SITE AND BUILDING TO BUILDING. 
          SO, UH, IT'S, IT'S HARDER TO PREDICT WITH A, WITH A MU THREE, WHICH HAS MULTIPLE LAYERS OF RULES ON TOP OF EACH OTHER TO PREDICT WHICH ONE'S GOING TO BE THE MOST RESTRICTIVE IN A GIVEN ENVIRONMENT. 
          UM, BUT MY, GIVEN THE SMALLER SIZE OF THE SITE, THERE'S NOT MUCH ROOM TO GET YOU CREDIT FOR FLOOR AREA RATIO. 
          MY SUSPICION IS THE 132 ISH THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING THEY'D BE ABLE TO DO UNDER THE MU THREE IS PROBABLY THEIR MOST LIMITING FACTOR, MORE SO THAN HEIGHT. 
          IF YOU WANNA REALLY WANT TO GET TO 20 STORIES, 276 FEET OF BUILDING, LEMME DIVIDE THAT BUILDABLE SQUARE FEET, THAT'S 6,000 SQUARE FOOT OF OF BUILDING. 
          IT'S A VERY NARROW, IT'S VERY NARROW. 
          AND THERE'S NOT A REALLY A DENSER ZONING DISTRICT THAN MU THREE. 
          SO THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, I THINK FLORIDA AIR RATIO IS GONNA BE THEIR, THEIR MORE LIMITING THAN IS THEIR HEIGHT UNDER AN MU THREE. 
          SORRY FOR PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT TOO, BUT IT'S, I'M JUST CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I, I KEEP ON HEARING ABOUT HOUSING CRISIS IN DALLAS, UM, AND I WONDER WHERE, WHERE DOES THAT COME IN WITH PROPOSALS DECISION MAKING, ALTERNATE APPROACHES? AND AGAIN, I PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I WOULD'VE GUESSED THAT YOU WOULD'VE BEEN FAMILIAR WITH HOW MUCH HOUSING THIS WOULD CREATE BECAUSE, BECAUSE IF IT'S A CRISIS, THEN ARE WE, YOU KNOW, SHAPING ZONING TO SORT OF ADDRESS THAT CRISIS? SO I, THAT'S WHERE I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS WHICH ONE CREATES MORE, MORE HOUSING IF ONE CREATES MORE HOUSING THAN ANOTHER? ARE YOU TAKING OTHER FACTORS INTO ACCOUNT TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE THESE DECISIONS? AND THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE, THE CORE OF MY QUESTION. 
          I, I, I CAN DO. 
          AND SO FOR A FUN EXERCISE, FUN EXERCISE, I DO THE MATH FOR, UM, THE LOT COVER. 
          SO WE HAVE A LOT THAT'S 0.76 TIMES AN ACRE. 
          UH, TAKE OUT THE LOT COVERAGE OF ABOUT, UH, 0.8 OR 0.9 TIMES THAT BY THE FIVE STORIES THAT CAN BE BUILT UNDER WM U FIVE. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY 132,000 SQUARE FEET AS WELL. 
          SO IT'S ACTUALLY A SIMILAR FLOOR AREA RATIO. 
          UM, BUT IT'S A BIT OF A, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT SPREAD OUT TO, IF YOU'RE ON THAT WMU FIVE AND YOU BUILD A, UM, MIXED USE SHOP FRONT TYPE, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A VERY SIMILAR SQUARE FOOTAGE MAXIMUM THAN YOU DO. 
          UH, AND THAT'S NOT A SQUARE FOOTAGE MAXIMUM, BUT IT'S A EFFECTIVE, BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT AND THE SIZE OF THE LOT, UM, IS ACTUALLY VERY SIMILAR THEN IN THIS CASE WOULD APPLY TO THE MIXED USE THREE. 
          AND I CERTAINLY AGREE ABOUT THE NEED FOR HOUSING, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PRIMARY THINGS WE LOOK AT IN, IN MOST OF OUR ZONING CASES. 
          IT'S, IT'S A MACROECONOMIC INPUT FOR THE CITY. 
          UM, I I AM FINE. 
          AND AS I DO THIS MATH FOR, FOR YOU THAT IT'S ABOUT SIMILAR IN TERMS OF A FLOOR AREA THAT'S BUILDABLE. 
          SO I, I I, I HAVE PERSONALLY THOUGHT THAT MU THAT THE MIXED USE DISTRICTS ARE TYPICALLY A LITTLE MORE LIMITED BY THEIR FLOOR AREA THAN THEY ARE BY THEIR HEIGHT. 
          UH, THEY HAVE PRETTY TALL HEIGHTS WHEN YOU LOOK AT AN MU DISTRICT. 
          UM, BUT I FIND THOSE 
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ARE RARELY ACTUALLY BUILDABLE, UM, GIVEN THE OTHER RULES THAT APPLY TO THE SIDE FLU AIR RATIO BEING, BEING ONE OF THOSE. 
          SO, UM, SOMETHING TO LOOK AT AS WE REFORM THE CODE IS DEFINITELY HOW FAR INTERACTS WITH HEIGHTS. 
          IS IT ACTUALLY, CAN YOU ACTUALLY BUILD AN A WMU BUILDING THAT REACHES, UH, 20 STORIES, UH, GIVEN THE A RI FIND IT'S DIFFICULT. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, COMMISSIONERS. 
          IT'S 10 32. 
          LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK. 
          WE'RE ON CASE 12. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          OKAY, LET'S SEE. 
          ALRIGHT, AND THIS IS FOR CASE Z 25 DASH 0 0 0 0 4 5. 
          THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AN APPLICATION FOR A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICES DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT LOCATED SOUTH OF EAST OVERTON ROAD AND EAST OF BONNIE VIEW ROAD ON APPROXIMATELY 0.25 ACRES. 
          LOCATION IS IN THE SOUTHERN QUADRANT, UH, QUADRANT OF DALLAS. 
          OH, SORRY, WAIT, THIS ONE. 
          OH, HERE WE GO. 
          OKAY, SCREEN. 
          UM, OH, WEB. 
          SO I JUST START SHARING FIRST. 
          SHARE, SHARE. 
          UM, THIS ONE. 
          ADOBE WINDOW SHARE. 
          CLOSE THAT. 
          WHICH ONE? THIS ONE? THIS, THIS LITTLE THING. 
          THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. 
          AND THEN I WOULD HIT MENU VIEW , FULL SCREEN, AND THEN WE'RE SET. 
          AND I THINK YOU CAN USE THE KEYS TO MOVE DOWN. 
          YES. 
          YOU WANT ME TO DO FROM THE BEGINNING REAL QUICK. 
          GO BACK TO THE APOLOGIES. 
          OKAY. 
          AGAIN, FOR Z 25, 0 0 0 0 4 5, AN APPLICATION FOR A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICES DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT, LOCATED SOUTH OF EAST OVERTON ROAD AND EAST OF BON VIEW ROAD ON APPROXIMATELY 0.25 ACRES. 
          LOCATION IS IN THE SOUTHERN QUADRANT OF DALLAS WITH THE AERIAL MAP HERE, AS WELL AS THE ZONING MAP. 
          FOR SOME QUICK BACKGROUND, THE AREA OF REQUEST IS CURRENTLY VACANT. 
          THE APPLICANT PROPOSES DEVELOPING THE SITE FOR AUTO REPAIR SERVICES AND USED MOTOR VEHICLE SALES. 
          IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY RESIDENTIAL POLICE TYPE IN FOR DALLAS FOR SOME SIDE PHOTOS. 
          OKAY, IT'S LOOKING DIRECTLY ONTO THE SUBJECT SITE. 
          OKAY. 
          LOOKING NORTHEAST, LOOKING SOUTHWEST. 
          OKAY. 
          AND LET'S LOOK IN DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SOME SURROUNDING USES. 
          IT'S GONNA BE ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AGAIN, ADJACENT LOOKING SOUTHWEST. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET. 
          OKAY. 
          DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN COMPARISON TO THE CR AND CS, AGAIN, AS NOTED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR, FOR DALLAS, UH, THIS 
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PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE EVEN SIZES, THE GREATEST VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES AMONG ALL THE DIFFERENT PLACE TYPES CONSISTING OF HIGH AND MID RISE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, COMPLEMENTED BY TOWN HOMES AND DUPLEX HOUSING FOR STAFF ANALYSIS. 
          FORD DALLAS DESIGNATES THE SITE AS CITY RESIDENTIAL. 
          PRIMARY USES INCLUDE MULTIPLEXES APARTMENTS AND MIXED USE WITH SECONDARY USES THAT INCLUDE AGRICULTURAL, PRIVATE, OPEN SPACE, CIVIC AND PUBLIC INSTITUTIONAL USES, AS WELL AS UTILITIES. 
          THE REQUEST WOULD SPECIFICALLY CONSIDER THE COMMERCIAL SECONDARY LAND USE, WHICH WOULD NOT COMPLY WITH THE CITY OF RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE IN THE FORWARD DALLAS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          THIS SITE CONTAINS A VACANT BUILDING PREVIOUSLY USED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES THAT IS IN AN AREA THAT STRADDLES THE BOUNDARY BETWEEN URBAN AND SUBURBAN CONTEXT. 
          THIS REQUEST WOULD NOT ALIGN WITH THE GOALS OUTLINED IN FOR DALLAS, FOR CITY OF RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH PRIMARILY CONSIST OF HIGH AND MID-RISE, MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT COMPLIMENTED BY TOWN HOMES AND DUPLEX HOUSING. 
          THE GOAL AND INTENT OF THE CITY OF RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE ARE TO ENCOURAGE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA TOWARDS A MORE MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT THAT CAN BETTER INCORPORATE RESIDENTIAL USES COMPONENTS IN WHICH THE CS COMMERCIAL SERVICES DISTRICT WOULD NOT PERMIT THE AIR REQUEST. 
          AGAIN, CURRENTLY VACANT IT SURROUNDED BY BOTH THE R UM, 7.5 SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT, AS WELL AS THE CR EXISTING COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT. 
          THE CS COMMERCIAL SERVICES DISTRICT PERMITS A BROAD RANGE OF AUTO ORIENTED INDUSTRIAL AND INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE OFTEN INCOMPATIBLE WITH ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTI-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, INCLUDING AUTO REPAIR SERVICE FACILITIES, MANY WAREHOUSES, OUTSIDE STORAGE, LIGHT MANUFACTURING, HOME IMPROVEMENT CENTERS, AND BUILDING MATERIAL SALES YARDS SUCH USE THIS TYPICALLY GENERATE SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC NOISE AND VISUAL IMPACTS, PARTICULARLY DURING EVENING HOURS. 
          ACCORDING TO THE CODE SECTION 51, A 4.803 OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRES A RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY REVIEW FOR MANY CS USES WHEN LOCATED WITHIN 330 FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT OF CONSEQUENTLY, EVEN IF REZONING IS APPROVED, MOST FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SITE WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL MITIGATION MEASURES TO PROTECT ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, INCLUDING FENCING, SCREENING NOISE BUFFERS, AND LIGHTING CONTROLS. 
          THE FREQUENT NEED FOR RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY REVIEWS DEMONSTRATES THE FUNDAMENTAL INCOMPATIBILITY BETWEEN CS ZONING AND THE NEARBY RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          THE CITY'S RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY REVIEW ORDINANCE ITSELF ACKNOWLEDGES THAT CS POSES PRESENT RISK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          APPROPRIATE TRANSITIONS FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT SHOULD TO UTILIZE LESS INTENSIVE ZONING DISTRICTS RATHER THAN PROCEEDING DIRECTLY TO THE COMMERCIAL SERVICES DISTRICT. 
          LESS INTENSIVE ZONING DISTRICTS SUCH AS THE EXISTING COMMUNITY RETAIL OR MU ONE OR MU TWO MIXED USE DISTRICTS WITH APPROPRIATE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. 
          AND STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUESTED DISTRICT AND PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USES. 
          AND SO AS OF NOW, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING FOR DENIAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. CHAMBERS QUESTIONS AND MY APOLOGIES AGAIN FOR THE, UH, TECHNICAL ISSUES EARLIER. 
          NO, NO WORRIES AT ALL. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL, UH, MR. CHAMBERS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE AROUND IT, UM, EAST IS AUTO REPAIR, WEST IS A CAR WASH, NORTH IS A CONVENIENCE STORE. 
          THERE ARE, THERE IS SINGLE FAMILY IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH. 
          ARE ARE, ARE THOSE O THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING THERE AND SURROUNDING THIS? OR ARE THEY OUTTA COMPLIANCE OR ARE THEY PROPERLY ZONED OR, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY A VERY INTERESTING AREA. 
          SO LET'S SEE, WITH SOME OF THESE VISUALS, IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE HARD TO TELL. 
          SO LET'S, MAYBE LET'S FOCUS ON THE AERIAL MAP, UH, OR ACTUALLY FIRST THE ZONING. 
          SO, OKAY, IF YOU SEE HERE ON THE MAP HERE WHERE THE SITE IS IN RED, THAT AREA THAT IT'S INCORPORATED IN, THAT IS CR CURRENTLY RIGHT BEHIND THAT PROPERTY WHERE IT'S THE 30 27 AND IT'S THE SINGLE FAMILY, ALL OF THAT IS ZONED R 7.5. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY ZONE NEIGHBORHOOD OF R 7.5 THAT IS LOCATED DIRECTLY BEHIND THIS PROPERTY. 
          NOW YOU ARE CORRECT THAT THERE IS CURRENTLY EXISTING AUTOMOBILE RELATED USES IN THAT CR ZONING. 
          UM, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR AS TO WHY MAYBE SOME OF THOSE USES MIGHT BE EXISTING AND STUFF, 
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BUT THIS IS, UM, AN EXAMPLE OF, AND ACTUALLY ALSO I ALSO SAW ONE EXAMPLE OF A CS ZONED PROPERTY THAT WAS ACROSS THE STREET, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE EXISTING USES THAT ARE IN THE AREA, UM, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH ADJACENCY, BUFFERS WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE, EXCUSE ME, WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE THAT'S LOCATED RIGHT ADJACENT TO IT IN SOUTH. 
          BUT YES, I WOULD SAY THAT ON THE SURFACE IT WOULD SEEM THAT IT WOULDN'T BE OUT OF CHARACTER. 
          BUT THIS ALSO COMES INTO QUESTION REALLY WHAT THE DIRECTION IS THAT YOU WANT TO TAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES TO FORWARD DALLAS, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS PLACED AS CITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH PLACES MORE EMPHASIS ON RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND SO IF PER SE THIS WAS TO GET REZONED, YOU DO HAVE TO THINK OF THE IMPLICATIONS LONG TERM IN TERMS OF THE FACT THAT RESIDENTIAL WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE INCORPORATED WITHIN THE SONY DISTRICT. 
          UM, AND ALSO THE POTENTIAL IMPLICATIONS THAT COULD COME WITH THOSE USES, SUCH AS EITHER IT BE POLLUTION, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE TRY TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION BEFORE WE JUST TRY TO OUTRIGHT JUST, UH, DENY AN APPLICATION. 
          SO YES, I, I MEAN I I I GUESS I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE I WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DENY SOMETHING THAT'S ALONG A, A ROW AND A STREET WHERE SOMETHING ALREADY EXISTS, YOU KNOW, SO IT, OKAY. 
          UM, I WOULD, I'D LIKE TO, I'LL BUILD ON WHAT HE SAID BECAUSE EVERYTHING HE SAID IS, IS PERFECTLY CORRECT AND, AND I I, I'D JUST LIKE TO BUILD ON IT. 
          THE OTHER THING I'D ADD IS THAT WE'D KEEP IN MIND THERE ARE DIFFERENT SCALES OF AUTOMOTIVE USES. 
          SO WE'RE CR RIGHT NOW CR ALLOWS CAR WASH, IT ALLOWS AUTO SERVICE CENTER, AUTO SERVICE CENTER. 
          MY REALLY EASY EXPLANATION IS TIRE, TIRE SHOP, UM, OIL CHANGE, YOUR, YOUR KIND OF, YOUR SORT OF ANCILLARY PARTS OF THE VEHICLE BEING REPLACED OR REPAIRED IN IT. 
          AUTO OR SERVICED IS PROBABLY THE BETTER WAY TO LOOK AT IT. 
          THOSE ARE THE TWO USES THAT I SEE ON THE STREET. 
          THOSE ARE BY RIGHT AND CR BUT UM, ONCE YOU GET TO CS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT VEHICLE REPAIR, ENGINE MAINTENANCE, THAT'S TALKING ABOUT THE HEAVY BODY WORK, UH, THE MORE INTENSE PARTS OF, OF CAR WORK AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO THAT'S WRAPPED UP INTO VEHICLE DISPLAY, DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S A HIGHER LEVEL OF AUTO USE THAT'S, THAT'S I WOULD SAY IS NOT PRESENT THERE RIGHT NOW. 
          THE CS TYPE USES OF, UM, FULL WORK ON THE VEHICLES. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          BUT ALSO, I WOULD JUST ADD REAL QUICK, IN ADDITION TO THAT THOUGH, IT'S ALSO TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION NOT JUST WHAT THE APPLICANT MAY BE REQUESTING CURRENTLY FOR THE ZONING REQUEST, BUT WHAT COULD ALSO COME DOWN THE LINE THAT'S ALSO WOULD BE ABLE TO BE DONE WITHIN THAT ZONING DISTRICT AS WELL. 
          AND WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU IN HIS, IN, UH, VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO AN R 7.5 NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO JUST FOR CONTEXT, SO I GUESS WHAT I'M HEARING IS, UH, CS IS TO, IS TOO INTENTS. 
          I WOULD SAY THAT GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE USES WITHIN CS WOULD BRING IN TERMS OF ITS ADJACENCY TO RESIDENTIAL USES, I THINK FROM A, UM, HEALTH AND SAFETY STANDPOINT AND ALSO FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT, UM, I DO NOT SEE IN TERMS OF BEING, UH, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO RECOMMEND FOR AN APPROVAL WITH THIS PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICT BECAUSE AGAIN, OF WHAT IT COULD POTENTIALLY ENTAIL LONG TERM. 
          BUT OF COURSE IT ALSO COMES DOWN TO ALSO WHAT IS THE DIRECTION YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE NEIGHBORHOOD GO. 
          THERE IS ONE SPOT ZONING ABOUT TWO BLOCKS, I BELIEVE DUE WEST THAT, UH, ALSO IS A, JUST RANDOM CS ZONED PROPERTY. 
          UM, YOU COULD PROBABLY MAYBE CALL THAT A SOMEWHAT SPOT ZONE, EVEN THOUGH IT TECHNICALLY IS STILL COMMERCIAL, BUT IT'S MORE SO DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE AREA GO MORE OF A SPOT WHERE IT'S JUST LIKE A CS CR OR DO YOU WANT TO SEE IT MORE CONSISTENT AND GROW TOWARDS A MORE RESIDENTIAL DIRECTION? THAT'S KIND OF MORE SO WHERE YOU COULD TAKE IT. 
          I WOULD SAY THAT FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT THOUGH, AS IT STANDS NOW, I WOULD SAY THAT WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO PUT IT FOR DENIAL AT THIS POINT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU BOTH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, PLEASE DO WE KNOW WHAT THE, UH, STATED INTENT IS FOR THE OWNER, UH, OF THIS PROPERTY? UH, READING YOUR, UH, CASE REPORT, IT INDICATES THAT IT'S THIS AUTO REPAIR AND USED AUTO SALES. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? UH, YES SIR. 
          DO WE KNOW THE AUTO REPAIR? IS IT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE TYPE THAT'S ALLOWED N CR WHICH 
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IS ALREADY GOING ON ON THAT STREET. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S ALREADY TIRE REPAIR SHOPS AND AUTO REPAIR SHOPS ON THAT STREET. 
          SO YES. 
          UH, AGAIN, TO WHAT MICHAEL WAS ALLUDING TO EARLIER, THAT IS THE ISSUE, IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE PARTICULARS OF WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO FOR HIS AUTO USES, UM, COMPARED TO WHAT THE OTHER TENANTS DOWN THE STREET ARE DOING, THAT'S WHY HE HAD TO GO INTO REQUEST THE CS AS OPPOSED TO JUST THE EXISTING CR. 
          I'D ALSO JUST ADD ON, I THINK THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A BIT OF A SPECTRUM WHEN IT COMES TO AUTO REPAIR. 
          YOU KNOW, IT RAMPS UP OF DIFFERENT USES, BUT SALES, NO SALES ARE ALLOWED. 
          AND I THINK THEY MAYBE HAD A SALES PORTION, BUT SALES ARE DEFINITELY NOT ALLOWED IN THE, UM, CR EXISTING. 
          BUT IF IT, IF HIS INTENT IS JUST, YOU KNOW, REGULAR AUTO, AUTO REPAIR, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, THE AUTO CHANGES ALL CHANGES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, HE COULD CONT HE COULD OPEN UP HIS BUSINESS, RIGHT? IF THEY'RE A, IF THEY CAN, YEAH, IF THEY WERE DOING A BUSINESS THAT WOULD QUALIFY AS AN AUTO SERVICE CENTER, WHICH IS JUST SERVICING VEHICLES, THEY COULD, THEY SHOULD NOT BE HERE. 
          THEY SHOULD BE, UH, GO GETTING A PERMIT. 
          SO I, I GUESS WE COULD DO CLARIFY HIS INTENT WHEN HE COMES HERE, IF HE COMES HERE THIS AFTERNOON. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I WOULD JUST ALSO KEEP IN MIND, COMMISSIONER THAT, UM, UH, IT'S NOT JUST TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION JUST OF COURSE THE REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, BUT AGAIN, ALSO JUST AS A REMINDER, WHAT CAN ALSO COME DOWN THE LINE, AND JUST AS A REMINDER FOR THIS ONE, IT INCLUDES BOTH LIGHT MANUFACTURING, OUTSIDE STORAGE, WAREHOUSES, UM, YOU KNOW, HOME IMPROVEMENT CENTERS. 
          IT'S SUBJECTIVE OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD THINK THAT'S NEGATIVE OR NOT, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE TAKEN THAT ALSO INTO CONSIDERATION FOR WHAT COULD COME DOWN THE LINE. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, CAN WE CLARIFY THAT? REGARDLESS OF EXPRESS INTENT CHANGING, UM, I MEAN APPROVING A STRAIGHT ZONING CHANGE TO CS WOULD OPEN UP THIS PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE TO ANY USE ALLOWED IN CS, MANY OF WHICH FALL UNDER, I THINK WE HEARD, UH, THE, UM, CONSULTANTS WHO WERE TALKING ABOUT UPDATING THE ZONING CODE, SAY THEY WERE THINKING OF CHANGING THE NAME OF THIS PARTICULAR, UH, ZONING CATEGORY TO BUSINESS INDUSTRIAL TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR, UH, THE EXTENT OF, UH, THE INTENSITY OF THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED. 
          SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE INTENT OF THE APPLICANT IS NOW, IT WOULD CHANGING THIS TO CS WOULD OPEN IT UP TO SUCH USES AS DIESEL TRUCK REPAIR AND, YOU KNOW, MANY TRULY INCOMPATIBLE, UM, USES, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND ALSO THE OTHER THING TOO I TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION IS, UM, ALSO, UM, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL, LEMME TURN ON THE AERIAL. 
          ALSO THE, IF YOU SEE HERE ON THE AREA, THE LOCATION AS WELL, IT'S ALSO GOING A BIT DEEPER INTO, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS OPPOSED TO BEING MORE CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION, EVEN IF I WAS TO TRY TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT FOR IT. 
          BUT AGAIN, JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHAT ALSO I TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION FOR THIS SAME, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'LL KEEP GOING THEN. 
          UH, WE'LL GO TO NUMBER 13. 
          DD SEVEN PLEASE. 
          NUMBER SEVEN. 
          UH, YOUR, YOUR TWO CASES, THAT'S A MR. , YOU THOUGHT THEY SHOULD BE ON CONSENT? HELLO? YES, I HEAR YOU. 
          NOW. 
          IF IT'S STAFF RECOMME RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, WHY WASN'T IT ON CONSENT? I PROBABLY WOULD'VE PULLED IT OUT ANYWAY FROM THE SAYS THAT'S IN THE POWERPOINT. 
          NO. 
          UM, THE, THE , THE SHORT ANSWER IS, UM, BECAUSE THEY, UM, HAVE DEED RESTRICTIONS PROPOSED AND STAFF DOES NOT, UM, DOES NOT APPROVE THE CASE WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS OR DOESN'T RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          SO WE DON'T SEE THEM AS NECESSARY. 
          SO BECAUSE OF THAT, IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, AGAIN, WHEN WE HAVE DAYLIGHT BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND STAFF, WE PUT CASES ON, UM, INDIVIDUAL. 
          SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. 
          BUT I'LL MENTION IT. 
          SO THIS IS Z 2 4 5 2 0 8, AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A TH THREE TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT AND ON PROPERTY ZONES IN R SEVEN FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT, UH, IN PD 5 9 5 SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE NORTH CORNER OF MYRTLE STREET AND MARBURG STREET. 
          UH, THEY DO WANT TO DO A 
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DUPLEX USE ON THAT SITE. 
          OH, AND IT'S ABOUT SEVEN 500 SQUARE FEET, UH, COMMONLY KNOWN AS 2727 0 1 MARBURG. 
          IT'S CURRENTLY THAT R FIVE, UH, SUBDISTRICT OF 5 9 5, UH, TH THREE IS ONE OF THE SUB-DISTRICTS OF 5 9 5. 
          AND THEY DO PROPOSE THAT THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING, UM, DE RESTRICTIONS, UM, AND STAFF, UH, DOES NOT SEE AS NECESSARY. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ON INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. 
          HERE'S OUR PLACE TYPE OUR FORWARD DALLAS PLACE TYPE. 
          I'LL, I'LL JUST POINT TO IT'S, UM, COMMUNITY RETAIL OR NO? NOPE. 
          UH, IT'S COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WHICH IS EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN BLUE, UH, OR YELLOW? OH MY GOSH. 
          IT'S GOT THE BLUE OUTLINE. 
          I'M GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF. 
          IT'S THE, IT'S THE YELLOW WITH THE BLUE OUTLINE. 
          OUR PROPERTY IS COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, SO WE, WE KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PLACE TYPE, UM, ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, UH, OR ATTACHED. 
          AND HERE WE ARE IN PD 5 95. 
          HERE'S OUR SITE AS IT EXISTS TODAY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT. 
          UM, IT'S RESIDENTIAL AROUND. 
          AND, UM, UH, TRIED TO GIVE YOU AN ESTIMATE ON THE DUPLEX TO SINGLE FAMILY RATIO IN THE AREA. 
          I'D SAY IT'S ABOUT ONE TO 15. 
          YOU LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 BLOCKS. 
          UM, AND THERE'S ALSO, UH, DUPLEX OR FORMER DUPLEXES CONVERTED TO SINGLE FAMILY. 
          UH, PRETTY EVIDENT, UH, AROUND THERE, BUT IT, I SAID IT'S ABOUT A RATIO ONE TO 15 OF WHAT YOU SEE ON THE GROUND TODAY. 
          HERE'S THE SITE AS IT EXISTS TODAY. 
          LOOKING NORTHWEST, LOOKING SOUTH, CADDY CORNER ACROSS MARBURG AND MYRTLE AT SOME OF THE HOMES. 
          LOOKING UP, UM, MARBURG TO THE NORTHEAST. 
          HERE'S OUR, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS THEY'RE PROPOSED. 
          R FIVE AS IT EXISTS TODAY. 
          UM, YOU'D NOTE THE HEIGHT, UH, TH THREE HAS A, UH, 36 HIGH. 
          THEY'RE PROPOSING THAT DR TO KEEP IT TO THE SAME AT HYATT. 
          UM, BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY ACTS ON BOTH OF THE FRONTAGES FROM THE R FIVE INTO THE TH THREE. 
          UH, PUTS THE SAME FRONT SETBACK AS THE, UH, EXISTING R FIVE ONTO THIS PROPERTY. 
          SO THEY WILL HAVE THE SAME FRONT SETBACK AS THEIR NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, THEY ALSO HAVE AN EFFECTIVE FRONT OR EFFECTIVE FIVE BECAUSE OF THE SETBACK OF THEIR NEIGHBORS. 
          SO THAT'S A FIVE FOOT SIDE SETBACK ON EITHER END OF THESE LOTS. 
          JUST LITTLE QUIRKS OF THE TH WHEN IT MEETS THOSE, UM, WHEN IT MEETS THOSE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE TH THREE QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER, ARE THERE ANY, ARE, ARE THERE ANY EXISTING DUPLEXES IN PROXIMITY TO THIS CURRENT DUPLEXES? YES. 
          YES. 
          AND I DON'T HAVE THEM EXACTLY HIGHLIGHTED. 
          I TRIED TO KIND OF SUM IT UP IN TERMS OF A RATIO AND MY COUNT WHEN I COUNTED THE DUPLEXES NEARBY AND DIVIDED BY THE AMOUNT OF LOTS THAT WERE PRESENT. 
          I GOT ABOUT ROUGHLY ONE IN 15 OF THOSE. 
          AND THAT'S, THOSE ARE WHAT APPEAR TO BE EXISTING DUPLEXES. 
          I DIDN'T COUNT THE ONES THAT APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN DUPLEXES WHEN THEY WERE BUILT AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, CONVERTED TO SINGLE FAMILY. 
          UM, ALTHOUGH THOSE, YOU KNOW, THEY ALL KIND OF LOOK SIMILAR IN THOSE REGARDS. 
          YOU KIND OF HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, THE FINE DETAILS. 
          'CAUSE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A DUPLEX AND A SINGLE FAMILY IS TWO DOORS AT THE END OF THE DAY, TWO UNITS IN THAT SAME BUILDING. 
          UM, BUT THAT COUNT IS BASED ON THE OBSERVED CURRENT LAND USES. 
          AND THIS PROPERTY SITS AT THE CORNER OF MARBURG AND MYRTLE? YES, CORRECT. 
          IT, IT, IT CORN LOT, IT WAS A FORM. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL. 
          MR. PEPE, WOULD YOU ELABORATE JUST A BIT ON YOUR COMMENT THAT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE NOT NEEDED BECAUSE THEY DON'T OFFER ANY PUBLIC BENEFIT? YES. 
          SO THE DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE LISTED IN THE DOCKET. 
          THEY'RE VERY SHORT. 
          THEY LIMIT THE HEIGHT, THEY CUT THE HEIGHT BY SIX FEET, UM, FROM 36 TO 30, AND THEY LIMIT THE DWELLING UNITS TO TWO. 
          WHY IS DWELLING UNITS LIMITED TO TWO? WHAT WHAT DOES THAT DO? I I WOULD UNDERSTAND IT MEANS THAT THEY CAN'T SUBDIVIDE THE LOT IN  ANYMORE. 
          UM, BUT THEY'RE STILL LIMITED BY THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE. 
          BUT I, I THINK THAT IT, IT'S KIND OF TO SAY, HEY, WELL, IF THEY WANTED TO SUBDIVIDE THIS LOT, THEY, THEY COULDN'T DO THAT, UM, THREE WAYS, UM, INTO THREE TOWN HOMES VERSUS 
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THE DUPLEX, WHICH THEY COULD ONLY DO ONE. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S NOT, I DON'T ACTUALLY THINK THAT'S A DUPLICATIVE, UM, DE RESTRICTION TO OUR CODE, BUT AGAIN, IT DOESN'T MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF DENSITY AND, AND FRANKLY, I THINK THAT THE TH THREE BASED DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE THERE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE SETBACK LIMITATIONS ON THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? WE'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT CASE. 
          YES. 
          THIS PARTICULAR CASE WE'LL BE HOLDING INTO ADVISEMENT TO THE, THE 14TH UNTIL THE FIRST, UH, WEEK IN AUGUST OR THE FIRST YEAR IN AUGUST. 
          UM, BECAUSE THE COLONIAL HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OKAY. 
          WANTS ACCESS. 
          SO WE'LL HOLD IT TO AUGUST 7TH. 
          IT'S 14. 
          ITEM 14, NOT THE CURRENT ONE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THE COLONIAL, THE COLONIAL ONE SITE ON COLONIAL 2 0 9. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          NUMBER 14 HELD TO AUGUST 7TH. 
          OKAY. 
          TAKES US TO NUMBER 15. 
          YES. 
          MOVING ON. 
          THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA COME AS A SURPRISE TO MR. PEPE, BUT I'M GONNA ASK THE COMMISSION TO HOLD THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          HOLD THIS TO, DO YOU WANT IT BRIEFED AUGUST? IS IT SEVENTH? SEVENTH OR 21ST? SEVENTH. 
          SEVENTH. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BRIEF IT. 
          WE CAN JUST BRIEF IT THEN. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, WE'LL BRIEF IT THEN. 
          COMMISSIONER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS DOCKET? OKAY, IT IS 1115 AND THAT CONCLUDES THE BRIEFING WITH THE DOWN CITY PLAN COMMISSION. 
          COMMISSIONERS, ENJOY YOUR LUNCH. 
          WE'LL FILE OUT FOR AN HOUR. 
          GOOD 
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AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER DUBINSKI, DISTRICT TWO, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. 
          PRESENT, DISTRICT THREE. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DISTRICT FOUR. 
          COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, DISTRICT FIVE. 
          CHAIR SHA DID HERE. 
          DISTRICT SIX. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          PRESENT, DISTRICT SEVEN. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER, REAGAN. 
          PRESENT, DISTRICT EIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN PRESENT, DISTRICT NINE. 
          COMMISSIONER SLEEPER. 
          DISTRICT 10. 
          COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. 
          PRESENT? DISTRICT 11. 
          COMMISSIONER SIMS, DISTRICT 12. 
          COMMISSIONER HAWK PRESENT. 
          DISTRICT 13. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL HERE. 
          DISTRICT 14, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND PLACE 15 VICE CHAIR RUBIN, I'M HERE. 
          YOU HAVE QUORUM, SIR. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 
          TODAY IS THURSDAY, JULY 10TH, 2020 5, 12 30 4:00 PM A COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED. 
          UH, OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES TODAY IS EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK, UH, IN CASES WHERE WE HAVE OPPOSITION PER OUR RULES, THE APPLICANT GETS A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL. 
          UH, THIS IS A HYBRID MEETING, SO WE DO HAVE SOME SPEAKERS ON ONLINE THAT ARE REGISTERED TO SPEAK. 
          UH, IF YOU ARE ONLINE, I WILL PLEASE ASK YOU TO HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON. 
          AND WORKING STATE LAW REQUIRES US TO SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU. 
          I'LL ASK ALL SPEAKERS TO PLEASE BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          UH, AND LASTLY, WE HAVE THESE LITTLE YELLOW CARDS. 
          FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE VISITING WITH US TODAY, MAKE SURE THAT YOU COME DOWN AT SOME POINT TODAY AND FILL ONE OF THESE CARDS OUT. 
          YOU CAN JUST LEAVE THEM THERE AT THE TABLE. 
          UH, ALSO DOWN HERE AT THE TABLE, WE DO HAVE AGENDAS IF YOU NEED ONE. 
          AND WITH THAT, WE'RE 
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GONNA GET STARTED WITH, UH, THE MINUTES. 
          YES, WE RE I REMEMBERED IT'S A BREAKING OF RECORD HERE. 
          I MUST HAVE BEEN DAYDREAM. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK COMM HALL. 
          UH, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE JUNE 26TH, 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSIONS AND NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          YOU OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. 
          WE'LL BEGIN WITH OUR, OUR ZONING CASES, CONTINGENT ITEMS, CONSISTENT 
          [1. 25-2251A An application for a new planned development district on property zoned  an R-7.5(A) Single Family District, on the west line of University Hills  Boulevard, between East Camp Wisdom Road and Kirnwood Drive.]
OF CASES ONE THROUGH FOUR. 
          UH, THEY HAVE ALL COME OFF CONSENT, SO THEY WILL BE VOTED ON AND DISPOSED OF INDIVIDUALLY. 
          YOU'LL BEGIN WITH CASE NUMBER ONE, MS. GARZA. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          ITEM NUMBER ONE IS CASE Z 2 3 4 3 4 8. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW PLAN. 
          ISLAND DISTRICT AND PROPERTY IS ZONED IN R 7 58 SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE WEST LINE OF UNIVERSITY HILLS BOULEVARD BETWEEN EAST CAM, WEST ROAD, AND KING CURWOOD DRIVE STAR CONDITION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. GARZA. 
          IS THERE, UH, I SEE THE APPLICANT IS HERE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, ROB BALDWIN 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B. 
          I'M TRYING TO GET MY PRESENTATION 
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TO, THERE WE GO AGAIN. 
          ROB BALDWIN 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B, UM, HERE REPRESENTING PROPERTY OWNER IN THIS CASE. 
          UH, THIS IS A, A, ACTUALLY A VERY COOL PROJECT AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO GIVING YOU JUST A QUICK BRIEF OVERVIEW ON THIS. 
          SO THE PROPERTY'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF UNT YOU WALK. 
          WE WOULD SHARE A, A SIDEWALK OR A CROSSWALK LEADING FROM OUR FRONT TO THE FRONT OF THE UNT. 
          UH, SO YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE SITE WHERE THE SITE IN RED AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO UNT IS. 
          UM, WE ARE PROPOSING A MIXED USE PROJECT, WHICH WILL HAVE, UH, COMMERCIAL RETAIL, UH, TOWN HOMES, UM, DETACHED COTTAGE STYLE HOMES, AND A LOT OF OPEN SPACE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          THE SITE TODAY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL, UH, IT'S CURRENTLY UNIMPROVED EXCEPT FOR A STRUCTURE. 
          UH, AND IT'S RIGHT ALONG, UH, UNIVERSITY HILLS, AS MENTIONED. 
          THE BRIEFING, IT'S A SIX LANE DIVIDED ARTERIAL WITH, AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR, OUR DRIVEWAY WILL LINE UP WITH THE UNT DRIVEWAY. 
          WE'RE GOING FROM R SEVEN FIVE AND AG TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MIXED USES. 
          UM, WE ARE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD TO OUR WEST. 
          UH, IT'S SINGLE FAMILY, ALSO ZONED R SEVEN FIVE. 
          BUT AS YOU'LL SEE FROM OUR, OUR CONCEPTUAL PLAN, THERE WAS A LARGE OPEN AREA BETWEEN US. 
          WHAT HAS A CREEK ON IT THAT WILL NOT BE DEVELOPED EXCEPT FOR SOME HIKING TRAILS? UH, THIS IS A FORWARD DALLAS PLAN. 
          WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH FORWARD DALLAS, UH, WITH THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE DESIGNATION. 
          HERE'S THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN OR CONCEPTUAL PLAN. 
          AS YOU'LL SEE RIGHT ALONG UNIVERSITY HILLS, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF RETAIL BUILDINGS, WHICH COULD BE, UM, BASICALLY FOR SERVING STUDENTS AND FACULTY OF UNT, UH, RESTAURANTS, UH, RETAIL FACILITIES, MAYBE BOOKSTORES AND THE LIKE. 
          BEHIND THAT ARE A SERIES OF TOWN HOMES, UH, FOR UNT STUDENTS OR FACULTY AND FARTHER TO THE WEST ON THAT, WE HAVE DETACHED HOMES, WHICH WILL BE A COTTAGE STYLE HOME, UH, THAT WILL BE FOR SALE MARKET RATE. 
          BEYOND THAT, YOU SEE OUR OPEN SPACE, UH, THAT'S A, A VERY LARGE AREA THAT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN THE CREEK. 
          HERE'S A SCHEMATIC SHOWING A KIND OF AMASSING OF, OF WHAT IT IT COULD LOOK LIKE. 
          UH, THE INTENT IS TO MAKE, UH, BOTH THE COTTAGE HOMES AND THE THE TOWN HOMES INTO LITTLE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE PEOPLE CAN GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER. 
          UH, WE, WE WOULD EXPECT THAT THE COTTAGE HOMES WILL PROBABLY GO MORE TOWARDS EMPLOYEES AND PROFESSORS. 
          UH, AT UNT WILL, THE TOWN HOMES WOULD BE MORE FOR STUDENTS AND, UH, THE TOWN HOMES WOULD LOOK LIKE THIS. 
          THERE'D BE AN ARRANGEMENT WHERE A STUDENT RENTS A ROOM IN A TOWN HOME WHERE THEY HAVE A SHARED COOKING FACILITY. 
          THEY HAVE THEIR OWN. 
          THAT'S YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S GONNA BE AWESOME. 
          . 
          IT GOES BY FAST. 
          UH, THANK YOU MR. BALDWIN. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? YES, MA'AM. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THIS FOR YOU. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          UH, DOLORES MILES WILLIAMS, 2228 SUTHERLAND AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 3. 
          I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE DR. HORTON. 
          WAIT A MINUTE, ARE YOU ON THIS ONE? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          FROM THE DR. HORTON. 
          OH, NO, THIS IS NOT DR. HORTON. 
          THIS IS NOT THAT CASE. 
          NO. 
          YEAH, WHEN I SEEN HIM I THOUGHT IT WAS . 
          YEAH, HE'S, I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          HE LOOKS LIKE THE DR. HORTON GUY AND HE IS, BUT NOT ON THIS CASE. 
          WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM BEFORE WE GO TO QUESTIONS? BEFORE WE GO TO A MOTION? I'M SORRY. 
          NO. 
          UM, I DID WANNA POINT OUT TWO THINGS. 
          IF I HAVE JUST A SECOND. 
          YOU'RE GONNA GET A SECOND HERE. 
          WHEN WE HAVE A MOTION, WE'LL GO TO QUESTIONS. 
          CAN I MOTION? OH, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          SO THE, THE MOTION IS SO IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 3 4 8, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          VICE CHAIR RUBIN, FOR YOUR SECOND, UH, QUESTIONS DISCUSSION? YES, COMMISSIONER ANTHONY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
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UM, MR. BALDWIN, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD DURING THE BRIEFING, UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, THE MINIMUM OPEN SPACE. 
          I DIDN'T NOTE THAT THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT. 
          YOU SHOWED US OUR PLAN. 
          IT APPEARS YOU GOT THE, THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT INTENDS TO DO THAT. 
          IS THERE AN ESTIMATED MINIMUM THAT YOU ALL ARE ANTICIPATING TO PROVIDE? YEAH, I SPOKE WITH MY CLIENT. 
          WE CAN DEFINITELY COMMIT TO DOING AT LEAST 20% OF THE PROPERTY AS OPEN SPACE AND WE CAN AMEND THE PD CONDITIONS TO ADD THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN SECOND QUESTION. 
          THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, HOW THE ROADWAYS WILL BE LAID OUT, HOW THOSE ARE, UM, INTENDED TO BE, UM, LAID OUT ON THE SITE. 
          I'M SORRY, USING A LOT OF THE SAME WORDS. 
          UM, I NOTICED THAT IT'S DEFINED BY THE SUBDISTRICTS. 
          THE SUBDISTRICTS ARE DEFINED AT THE FRONT OF THE CONDITIONS, BUT WHERE DOES IT LOCATE WHERE THOSE SUBDISTRICTS WILL BE? WELL, THE, THE FUNNY THING IS, I I WAS TRYING TO BE, I GUESS, TOO CREATIVE. 
          UH, WE WEREN'T ACTUALLY SHOWING THE SUB-DISTRICTS ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN BECAUSE IT WAS MORE LIKE A FORM-BASED DISTRICT THAT IF YOU WERE DOING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THESE ARE THE REGULATIONS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU'RE DOING THE TOWN HOMES, THESE ARE THE REGULATIONS. 
          BUT, UH, BASED ON CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD, UH, MIGHT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO ADD THE SUBDISTRICTS ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN BECAUSE WE, WE KNOW GENERALLY WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, PLEASE, AS A QUICK COMMENT IN A QUESTION, UM, IS BACK IN APRIL 15TH, WE HAD THE COMMUNITY MEETING. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT FOR THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO REACHED BACK OUT TO ME, I MEAN, THEY WERE VERY PLEASED AND EXCITED ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT BECAUSE IT, IT BRINGS, UH, MUCH NEEDED RETAIL AND DIFFERENT HOUSING STOCK, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA AND IT'S MARKET RATE, SOMETHING THAT WE RIGHT. 
          ARE REALLY LOOKING, UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO. 
          UH, BUT YOUR PROXIMITY TO, TO UNT DALLAS, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU ARE, UH, BUILDING THESE HOMES IN SUPPORT OF STUDENT AND AND FACULTY THERE. 
          UH, TELL US WHAT YOUR ENGAGEMENT HAS BEEN WITH THE UNIVERSITY'S, UH, ADMINISTRATION OF ITS THE, THE PRESIDENT AND IN YOUR CONTEMPLATION OF DEVELOPING YOUR CLIENT, DEVELOPING THIS AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I PERSONALLY HAVE NOT SPOKEN WITH ANYBODY AT UNT, BUT MY CLIENT, MAC KYLE HAS, UM, MAC ONO, WHO'S THE, THE DEVELOPER. 
          HE'S, UH, ALSO DOING A, A GREAT PROJECT DOWN ON, ON BON BEACH JUST SOUTH OF HERE. 
          UH, HE'S MET WITH THE, THE THEN PRESIDENT BOB HMONG ABOUT THIS PROJECT. 
          AND, UH, THEY WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT TO GET, UH, MORE HOUSING FOR STUDENTS AND FOR PROFESSORS IN THE AREA IF THE STUDENTS IS MORE IMPORTANT, BECAUSE THERE'S A WAIT LIST I UNDERSTAND OF SEVERAL THOUSAND, UH, PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO LIVE IN A DORM, BUT THEY CAN'T. 
          AND SO, AS I WAS GONNA SAY BEFORE, WE'RE ON TIME, LAST TIME, THESE TOWN HOME UNITS WILL, UH, STUDENTS CAN RENT OUT A ROOM AND THE ROOM WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PRIVATE BATH, UH, AND BEDROOM. 
          BUT THEY'LL SHARE COOKING AND, UH, LIVING FACILITIES, UH, WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN THE ROOM. 
          UH, IT'S KIND OF, IT USED TO BE A NEW CONCEPT FIVE OR EIGHT YEARS AGO, BUT NOW IT IS VERY COMMON TO DO THAT. 
          AND SO THIS IS ACTUALLY ADDING, ESSENTIALLY DORM SPACE FOR THE UNIVERSITY, UH, BY A PRIVATE DEVELOPER WHEN THE UNIVERSITY'S VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. 
          SO HOW MANY STUDENTS WILL, UH, THE TOWN HOMES BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE? LEMME GO BACK TO MY, UH, I WANT TO SAY THERE'S 48 TOWN HOMES EACH WITH FIVE LIVING TODAY. 
          SO APPROXIMATELY 200. 
          DO YOU, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, RIGHT NOW, THERE'S ONLY ONE DORM AT UNT DALLAS TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, STUDENTS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THAT, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          UH, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE PROPOSED RETAIL ARE YOU ALL CONSIDERING TO, UM, TO, TO PARTNER OR TO BE MORE, UH, STUDENT FRIENDLY, UH, FOR THE CAMPUS ACROSS THE STREET? NO, MCC. 
          KYLE IS STILL TALKING TO PEOPLE. 
          YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS TAKES A LONG TIME. 
          UM, SO HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY, ANYBODY UNDER LEASH YET, BUT HE'LL BE TALKING TO RESTAURANT, UH, YOU KNOW, PICKLE LIKE ACTIVITY WHERE YOU CAN GO PLAY VOLLEYBALL, PICKLEBALL, EAT RESTAURANTS, UH, RETAIL, UH, PERSONAL SERVICE, YOU KNOW, UH, HAIR NAIL SALONS, BOOKSTORES, UH, PLAY PLACES TO BUY SUNDRY GOODS AND GROCERIES, THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          MR. BALDWIN, COMMISSIONER WHEELER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS? BOTH. 
          IS THERE A MASTER PLAN, UM, UH, UH, OR SOURCE IN THE WORK FOR THAT DISTRICT AROUND UNT? UM, I, I KNOW THERE, THERE IS, UM, I 
          [02:10:01]
KNOW THAT AT THE, UM, SKYLINE RANCH IS PREPARING TO BUILD HOMES IN PROXIMITY. 
          DO YOU, IS THAT ANYTHING THAT'S IN THE WORK TO HELP ACCOMMODATE THAT? THE HOUSING, UM, AND TO INCREASE, UM, THE, UM, STUDENTS THAT COME INTO THE UNT DALLAS? I'D UNDERSTAND THERE ARE PLANS TO BUILD MORE, MORE DORMITORIES, BUT THAT JUST, THERE'S NONE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT THIS POINT. 
          WE CAN GET THIS UP EVEN THOUGH IT'LL TAKE A YEAR OR SO. 
          WE, WE CAN GET THESE UP BEFORE THEY CAN, BUT I DO HAVE A COMMENT. 
          UM, I JUST FINISHED A TREK, UM, COHORT AND FOR WHATEVER REASON WE CHOSE THAT A SITE RIGHT THERE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS LIVE, WORK AND PLAY THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE STUDENTS. 
          AND WE JUST FINISHED LIKE TWO WEEKS AGO, BUT IT WAS A COHORT JUST TO MOCK UP ON WHAT WE COULD YES. 
          DO THERE AS A NEED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND JUST TO, TO SUPPLEMENT, PLEASE CHECK AROUND COMMISSIONER THE ANSWER. 
          THERE IS A-A-U-N-T DALLAS AERIAL PLAN THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR SHOULD GOING ALMOST 20 YEARS. 
          SO NOW IT'S, IT'S FINALLY STARTING TO COME TO FRUITION WITH DEVELOPERS COMING IN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN. 
          I BELIEVE THAT PLAN COMES INTO, UH, THE DISCUSSION IN ANOTHER CASE LATER. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. 
          OH, I JUST WANTED TO ASK, UM, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, UM, BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO VOLUNTEER THE 20% MINIMUM RESIDENTIAL OPEN SPACE AND DEFINING THE SUBDISTRICTS ON THE CONCEPT PLAN, IF THOSE WOULD BE AMENABLE CONDITIONS, UM, TO YOU, ABSOLUTELY. 
          I'LL ACCEPT THAT AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. 
          OKAY, WE'LL DO THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, MR. RONALD. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE DESIGN STANDARDS SIDEWALKS. 
          IT SAYS A MINIMUM SIX FOOT WIDE UNOBSTRUCTED SIDEWALK IS REQUIRED ALONG UNIVERSITY HILLS BOULEVARD. 
          AND THEN THE NEXT SENTENCE IS A MINIMUM FIVE FOOT WIDE UNOBSTRUCTED SIDEWALK MUST BE PROVIDED BETWEEN A MAIN BUILDING AND THE PLANNING ZONE. 
          WHAT I DON'T SEE ANY SPECIFICATIONS FOR WIDTHS OF PLANNING ZONES ANYWHERE. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS INTENDED ALONG UNIVERSITY HILLS AND WHAT'S POSSIBLE ALONG THE OTHER STREETS? WE WOULD COMPLY WITH THE STREETS DESIGN MANUAL, WHICH IS A FIVE FOOT, UH, PLANTING ZONE IN OUR SIDEWALK. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. 
          UH, SEEING NONE IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34 3 48, WE HAVE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN SECOND ADVISE CHAIR RUBIN TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND CONDITIONS AS WELL AS THE, UH, ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS AS DECIDED TO DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF, UH, THE 20% OF OPEN SPACE, ALL THOSE IN FA AND, AND THE SUBDISTRICTS. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYE. 
          HAVE IT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          WE'LL GO TO NUMBER TWO. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          ITEM 
          [2. An application for a new Specific Use Permit for retirement housing on  property zoned TH-2(A) Townhouse District with deed restriction  Z823-379_Exhibit D on a portion, on the east line of South Westmoreland  Road, south of Watership Lane.]
TWO IS Z 2 4 5 1 92. 
          UM, IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR RETIREMENT HOUSING ON PROPERTY ZONE TH TWO, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT WITH THE RESTRICTIONS Z 8 2 3, 3 7, 9 EXHIBIT D ON A PORTION ON THE EAST LINE OF SOUTHWEST MARLAND ROAD, SOUTH OF WATERSHIP LANE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. 
          SEE, THE APPLICANT IS HERE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THERE'S A LITTLE BUTTON THERE FOR THE MICROPHONE. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          UH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, NAME IS BLAKE HOPKINS. 
          UM, 5 7 0 0 TENON PARKWAY. 
          PLANO. 
          UM, I'M THE APPLICANT AND DEVELOPER OF THE PROPOSED, UH, SENIOR TOWN HOME, UH, PROJECT AT 6,500 SOUTHWEST MERLIN. 
          UM, I WORK FOR LINCOLN AVENUE COMMUNITIES. 
          WE'RE A NATIONWIDE DEVELOPER OF AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR SENIORS AND FAMILIES. 
          UH, AGAIN, BASED HERE IN THE DFW AREA. 
          UH, MY ROLE IS TO OVERSEE DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          UM, SOMETHING WE LIKED ABOUT THIS LOCATION AND THIS PRODUCT WAS SORT OF THE UNIQUE, UH, DUPLEX ASPECT OF IT. 
          A LOT OF THE, UH, MULTI-FAMILY, WE DEVELOP OUR, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONAL APARTMENT COMMUNITIES. 
          UH, THIS SITE BEING ZONED FOR TOWN HOMES BEING 27 ACRES KIND OF LENT ITSELF TOWARDS A NEW PRODUCT FOR AFFORDABLE SENIOR LIVING. 
          UM, AND SO OUR GOAL HERE WAS TO TRY TO FIT WITHIN THE EXISTING TOWN HOME BOX IN TERMS OF DENSITY, HEIGHT, SETBACKS, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL PARKING REQUIREMENTS YOU'D HAVE ON THE TOWN HOME. 
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UH, HOWEVER, THE ONE SORT OF ITEM WE HAD TO WORK THROUGH, WHICH YOU HAD MENTIONED IN YOUR BRIEFING THIS MORNING WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, PLATTING INDIVIDUAL LOTS. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 216 UNITS. 
          UM, AND SO WE WOULD'VE HAD ESSENTIALLY 108 LOTS, IF YOU WILL. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO SORT OF SITE SECURITY WHERE WE TYPICALLY LIKE TO HAVE THE ENTIRE SITE ENCLOSED WITH, YOU KNOW, CONTROLLED ACCESS GATES FOR OUR SENIOR RESIDENTS. 
          UH, THAT ALSO WOULD'VE BEEN A CHALLENGE UNDER THE TRADITIONAL TOWNHOME ZONING. 
          SO THE SUP IS MOSTLY TO SORT OF RIGHT SIZE THE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THOSE STANDARDS. 
          UH, BUT WE TRIED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WE WERE DOING IN TERMS OF THE HEIGHT, THE DENSITY FIT WITHIN THE EXISTING BOX, UM, FOR THE EXISTING ZONING. 
          UH, AND WITH ADAM, I'M HERE MOSTLY JUST FOR QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          CARL CROWLEY. 
          3 3 3 3 WELBURN. 
          UM, DALLAS, TEXAS. 
          UM, JUST TO REITERATE WHAT BLAKE WAS SAYING, UM, THE TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT ALLOWS RETIREMENT HOUSING WITH AN SUP. 
          UM, DOING THIS WOULD, UH, ELIMINATE A 56 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY AND 33 FEET OF PAVEMENT, WHICH REALLY ISN'T NEEDED. 
          IT PROVIDES US A LOT MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR GREEN SPACE. 
          A LOT BETTER DESIGN OPPORTUNITY, A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY THAN PUTTING STREETS IN THERE, BUT AGAIN, WE WOULD COMPLY WITH ALL. 
          AND IT ALSO MAKES IT EASIER TO DO THE AMENITY PACKAGE, UH, IN A ONE LOT TYPE DEVELOPMENT AND STUFF. 
          SO THAT'S THE REAL REASON. 
          WE COULD HAVE, UH, CHANGED THE ZONING, I GUESS TO AN MF DISTRICT, BUT  THAT WOULD'VE, UM, I THINK CAUSED A LOT MORE ISSUES WITH, WITH NEIGHBORS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          SO THE TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT, IF, IF BLAKE DOESN'T DEVELOP THEIR STILL REMAINS A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT, AND, AND YOUR ONLY OPTIONS WOULD BE EITHER OUR DESIGN WITH A RETIREMENT, HOUSING OR OBVIOUSLY TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT USES. 
          SO WE JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. 
          SO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UM, I DID DO A QUICK SORT OF THING, UH, TRAFFIC CAME UP AS AN ISSUE THIS MORNING, OR, OR I GUESS TRAFFIC OF SORTS, TRIPS. 
          UM, RETIREMENT, HOUSING. 
          I LOOKED IT UP. 
          UH, ITE THAT WONDERFUL MANUAL THAT WE ALL SLEEP BY. 
          UM, 300, 3.71 TRIPS PER RETIREMENT HOUSING UNIT, A TOWNHOUSE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY WOULD BE LIKE 5.78. 
          SO TWO LESS TRIPS PER UNIT FOR RETIREMENT HOUSING. 
          AND THEN THE FACT THAT PROBABLY THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT EVEN WHEN YOU GOT, I DRIVE A LOT, BUT NOT EVERYONE OVER MY AGE OR AROUND MY AGE DRIVES THAT MUCH. 
          SO THAT'S THE ANSWER, I GUESS THAT QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT, CAN I HAVE A MOTION? YES. 
          IN THE CASE TWO Z 2 4 5 1 92, I MOVE TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE THE CASE, UM, SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND DISCUSSION AND OR QUESTIONS. 
          I'LL GO FIRST PLEASE. 
          UM, THIS, THIS, UH, THIS CASE HAS BEEN, UM, AROUND FOR A WHILE NOW, THE, NOT THE CASE ITSELF, BUT THE DEVELOPER HAS WORKED WITH THE COMMUNITY, I THINK, AND, UM, SAW THE VISION OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBER AND, AND MADE, UM, SOME CHANGES TO THEIR PRODUCT, RIGHT? TO FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CHARACTER. 
          AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT THEY WILL BE, UM, A FAMILY TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          LIKE I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THE STREET HAD COMPLAINTS ABOUT TRAFFIC BEFORE YOU, I HAS EVER CAME INTO THE PICTURE, RIGHT? UM, HOPEFULLY WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER TO, TO MEDIATE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS WITH THE CITY. 
          BUT THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT GO NUMBER THREE, 
          [3. An application for a new Specific Use Permit for a Handicapped Group  Dwelling Unit on property zoned a R-7.5(A) Single Family District, on the  south line of Plaza Boulevard, between Linda Lane and La Flor Lane.]
ITEM THREE IS Z 25 0 0 0 0 4 4. 
          UM, IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A HANDICAP GROUP DWELLING UNIT ON PROPERTY ZONED R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF PLAZA BOULEVARD BETWEEN LINDA LANE AND LALO LANE. 
          UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT WITH SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, DO YOU HAVE MOTION FOR? OH, IN THE MATTER OF Z 25 0 0 0 0 4 4. 
          I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD IT UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL IT'S THE FIRST DATE IN SEVENTH AUGUST. 
          SEVENTH. 
          AUGUST 7TH. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND, 
          [02:20:02]
UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, COMMENTS, STATEMENTS, VICE CHAIR RUBIN? YEAH. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA SPEAK REALLY BRIEFLY. 
          I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST THIS MOTION NOT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING THAT COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN HAS DONE OR HOW HE'S HANDLED THE CASE OR ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S REALLY AN UNFORTUNATE PART OF OUR CODE THAT REQUIRES AN SUP FOR A SECOND HANDICAPPED GROUP DWELLING UNIT WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS OF ONE THAT'S ALREADY THERE. 
          I THINK THESE ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO ALLOW PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES TO LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND OUR COMMUNITIES, AND I THINK THE CITY SHOULD GET OUT OF THE WAY TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE OF ALLOWING THESE HANDICAPPED GROUP DWELLING UNITS, YOU KNOW, IN OUR, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO, UM, WITH THAT SAID, I WILL UNFORTUNATELY NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU, MR. RUBIN. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS, OR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? CNN ALL IS IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? NO. 
          NO. 
          TO AN OPPOSITION. 
          UH, RUBEN AND WHEELER. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          GO TO CASE NUMBER FOUR. 
          [4. An application for an MF-2(A) Multifamily District, on property zoned CR  Community Retail District, on the south line of W. Wheatland Rd west of  Clark Rd.]
ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS Z 2 4 5 202. 
          IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN MF TWO MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE C ARCH COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF WEST WHEATLAND ROAD, WEST CLARK ROAD. 
          STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. 
          GOOD. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, ROB BALDWIN. 
          3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B, UH, HERE REPRESENT EXPRESS DEVELOPMENT IN THE END OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          IN THIS REQUEST, I'M GONNA DO A QUICK PRESENTATION, BUT I HAVE SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS I NEED TO READ INTO THE RECORDS, SO I'M GONNA TRY TO DO EVERYTHING VERY QUICKLY. 
          SO IF YOU NEED ME TO SLOW DOWN, JUST LET ME KNOW. 
          SO THIS IS A PROPERTY AT 7,100 WHEATLAND, UH, WEST WHEATLAND, WHICH IS NOT LETTING ME DO THIS. 
          UH, OH MY GOSH. 
          ANYWAY, UH, CURRENTLY ZONE CR UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR AN MF TWO DISTRICT TO DO, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, PROJECT. 
          UM, THE GOOD NEWS IS IT'S 3.7 ACRES. 
          WE'RE ONLY DOING PROPOSING 90 UNITS ON THE SITE, UM, AND TWO AND THREE STORY BUILDINGS SO WE CAN, UH, RESPECT RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE. 
          HERE'S A QUICK DIAGRAM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, THE THREE STORY UNITS ARE, ARE NEXT TO WHEATLAND, NEXT TO OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH. 
          UH, IT'S A TWO STORY BUILDING. 
          YOU SEE THIS, THIS SHOWS HOW OUR COMPLIANCE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE. 
          NOW, I'D LIKE TO READ SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS, AND I THINK THESE ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THESE SITES THAT IS SUBJECT TO SB EIGHT 40, MEANING THAT, UH, IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL. 
          AND COME SEPTEMBER ONE, THIS, THIS PROPERTY COULD BE CON WE COULD DO WHAT WE WANTED ON THE PROPERTY AFTER SEPTEMBER ONE. 
          THAT BEING SAID, MY CLIENTS HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND WE WANNA CONTINUE WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS. 
          SO WE'VE AGREED TO DO THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS, AND IF YOU'D GIMME JUST A MINUTE TO READ A MINUTE, I'D APPRECIATE IT. 
          UH, SO WE OFFER THE FOLLOWING DE RESTRICTIONS. 
          THREE STAGGERED ROWS OF NATIVE CANOPY TREES WILL BE PLANTED ALONG ALL STREET FRONTAGES, 15 FEET ON CENTER, ACCOMPANIED BY DROUGHT RESISTANT UNDERSTORY, SHRUBS AND LANDSCAPING. 
          A SIX FOOT TALL PERIMETER FENCE WILL BE INSTALLED. 
          FENCE CAN BE COMPRISED OF DECORATIVE IRON, FULL DEPTH CLAY, BRICK OF TEXAS LIMESTONE VENEER O OVER A CODE APPROVED BACKUP BALCONIES AND WINDOWS FACING WEST AND SOUTH SHALL BE FROSTED OR TINTED GLASS OR SOLID SCREENS. 
          THE BUILDING SHALL BE CLOUDED IN BRICK STONE, FIBER, CEMENT, OR FIBER CEMENT WITH WOOD LOOK FINISH, ALL LIGHTING SHALL BE SHIELDED DOWN FACING FIXTURES ON EXTERIOR FACADES. 
          THE MAXIMUM LIGHT SHALL BE ONE FOOT CANDLE AT THE PROPERTY LINE OUT IN THE WEST AND SOUTH. 
          ALL TRASH ENCLOSURES MUST BE AT LEAST 80 FEET AWAY FROM THE SOUTH AND WEST. 
          PROPERTY LINES. 
          TRASH PICKUP IS LIMITED TO EIGHT 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. 
          DURING CONSTRUCTION, ALL CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC IS TO BE KEPT OFF. 
          NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, HOURS OF OP HOURS OF CONSTRUCTION ARE LIMITED TO 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, AND 8:00 AM TO 6:00 PM ON SATURDAY ONLY BUILDING INTERIOR CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY CAN OCCUR ON SUNDAYS, A MINIMUM OF 1.5 PARKING SPACES PER DWELLING UNIT WILL BE PROVIDED. 
          NO PARKING AND TOWING SIGNS WILL BE INSTALLED OFF PROPERTY TO PROTECT ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          CONSTRUCTION FENCING WILL BE INSTALLED PRIOR TO ANY WORK ON THE PROPERTY. 
          AND THE MOST IMPORTANT, THIS PROPERTY WILL COMPLY WITH A RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE. 
          SO WE'D LIKE TO OFFER THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS, PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THEY'RE IN THE RECORD AND I HAVE MY CLIENTS HERE. 
          [02:25:01]
DO YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING OR THEY'RE HERE FOR QUESTIONS? EXCELLENT, THANK YOU. 
          UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE, UH, HEARD ON THIS ITEM? WE DO HAVE SOME REGISTERED SPEAKERS. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          I'M NOT A REGISTER SPEAKER. 
          NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE REGISTERED SPEAKER, THOUGH. 
          ONLY THE REGISTERED SPEAKERS ARE ONLINE. 
          ANYONE IS WELCOME TO COME DOWN AND SPEAK, PLEASE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS CAROL MCMILL, 73 18 ASH CREST LANE, DALLAS. 
          I'M A, I'M LESS THAN A QUARTER OF A MILE FROM THIS PROPERTY. 
          IF YOU EVER LIVE THERE, YOU KNOW THAT WHEN SCHOOL GETS OUT, WHEATLAND IS LINED UP ON BOTH SIDES, BOTH COMING AND GOING WITH TRAFFIC, WITH PARENT PICKUP AND SO ON. 
          WE HAVE A WALMART, THE INGRESS TO THE PROPOSED, UH, APARTMENTS. 
          THERE'S JUST ONE INGRESS. 
          NO EXIT. 
          NO, NO SECOND WAY YOU CAN GET OUT OF THOSE APARTMENTS. 
          NOW, SPEAKING OF APARTMENTS, WE'VE HAD SO MANY APARTMENTS COMING INTO OUR DISTRICT. 
          DOES THE CITY COUNCIL LOOK AT HOW MANY APARTMENTS GO INTO A PARTICULAR AREA? CAN'T WE GET APARTMENTS INTO OTHER AREAS? WE'VE HAD SO MANY APARTMENTS COMING INTO OUR DISTRICT. 
          INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I GUESS THIS IS GOING TO CONSIDER. 
          WE HAVE, WE DO NOT HAVE A PLACE THAT, THAT THE, THE, THE CLOSEST POLICE STATION IS IN ON ILLINOIS, 12 MINUTES AWAY. 
          UM, YES, THEY PROPOSE A SUBSTATION WITHIN THE APARTMENT BUILDING, BUT IN SOME SENSE, AFTER THE MANAGER'S LEAVE OR WHATEVER, UH, WHY, WHY, WHY PUT THE SUBSTATION WITHIN THE APARTMENTS? DOES THAT SUGGEST THAT MAYBE THERE IS MORE CRIME AROUND APARTMENTS? SO I WISH THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD GIVE US MORE TIME, GIVE THE COMMUNITY MORE TIME. 
          I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS FROM MY NEIGHBOR. 
          I THINK HE TOLD ME ON MONDAY OR TUESDAY. 
          WE DO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE SIGNED PETITIONS AGAINST IT. 
          PLEASE CONSIDER THIS, THIS IS ACTUALLY A DANGEROUS, YOU. 
          YOU HAVE CLARK ROAD, YOU HAVE MCDONALD'S NEXT TO WALMART, AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS SCHOOL, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE, UM, COUNTY VIEW ALL WITHIN A QUARTER, LESS THAN A QUARTER OF A MILE. 
          THIS IS A DANGEROUS SITUATION. 
          THIS IS ALREADY DANGEROUS. 
          PIECE OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED ON WHEATLAND. 
          THE TRAFFIC IS HORRENDOUS THERE. 
          WE, WE DON'T, I'VE LIVED THERE PROBABLY AROUND 40 YEARS. 
          WE'VE HAD WATER ISSUES, WE'VE HAD ELECTRICITY ISSUES. 
          I TAUGHT AT A SCHOOL A MILE AND A HALF DOWN THE ROAD. 
          THERE WAS AN INCIDENT WHERE IT WAS THREE OR FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE FIRE COULD COME TO THE SCHOOL TO TURN OFF THE ALARM. 
          THAT'S YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PLEASE STAND BY. 
          THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. 
          YES. 
          MY NAME IS TREVOR B JEFFERSON, THE FIRST, AND I LIVE AT 73 10 ELDERBERRY CIRCLE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 4 9 1 0 4 0. 
          AND I AM HERE TO OPPOSE, UH, THE BUILDING OF THIS COMPLEX. 
          I AGREE WITH THE LAST SPEAKER WHOLEHEARTEDLY. 
          I SAY THAT SO I WON'T HAVE TO REPEAT TOO MANY THINGS THAT SHE'S ALREADY SAID. 
          UH, WELL, WE'VE ALREADY MENTIONED THE FACT OF ACCIDENTS. 
          UH, AND LET ME BRING OUT TWO ACCIDENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED THERE. 
          UM, ONE ACCIDENT THAT WAS AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE THAT WAS ON THE WAY TO AN EMER, ANOTHER EMERGENCY, AND FROM THE LIGHTS PERPENDICULAR, UH, IT WAS HIT BY ANOTHER VEHICLE ON ITS WAY TO ANOTHER EMERGENCY. 
          AND THESE THINGS, UH, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE FIRST ONE THAT OCCURRED WHERE SOMEBODY RAN INTO AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE, BUT I DO KNOW ACCIDENTS OCCUR THERE QUITE A BIT. 
          AND THIS IS BEFORE YOU GET TO ADDED TRAFFIC OF THE PEOPLE GOING TO AND FRO TO THIS ONE ENTRANCE AND EXIT TO THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX. 
          UH, 
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ADDITIONALLY, ANOTHER SITUATION, I WAS WALKING UP THE, UH, I WAS WALKING TOWARD THE EAST ON WHEATLAND, UH, RIGHT IN FRONT OF WALMART AND MCDONALD'S. 
          AND, UH, IT APPEARED THAT A PERSON HAD STOPPED TO WAIT FOR ME TO CROSS THE PATH, BUT APPARENTLY HE WAS A DISTRACTED DRIVER BECAUSE AS SOON AS I CROSSED THE PATH, I GOT HIT, NOT IN MY VEHICLE, BUT IN MY PERSON BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE THERE TO DISTRACT, UM, DRIVERS AS THEY'RE DRIVING TO AND FRO, UH, CLARK ROAD AND ALSO WHEATLAND ROAD. 
          AND I LIVE OFF OF, UH, COUNTY VIEW. 
          AND THAT'S, UH, NOT AS MAJOR AS THE OTHER TWO I JUST MENTIONED. 
          BUT THAT IS MAJOR AND ACCIDENTS HAVE HAPPENED THERE. 
          I AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. 
          I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, THE RAISING OF THE, UH, REAL ESTATE PRICES IN THE AREA, WHICH THE APARTMENT COMPLEX IS LIKELY TO DO. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME AS THE, UH, PRICES GO UP, THAT MEANS THE TAXES IN THAT AREA ARE GONNA GO UP. 
          AND, UH, THE PEOPLE IN THE APARTMENT, UH, I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THEY, UH, SECTION EIGHT AND THE LIKE, UH, WE HAVE OTHER SECTION EIGHT AREAS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THAT'S YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ALRIGHT, NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          HELLO, STEVE GREEN. 
          UM, HER NEIGHBOR. 
          I DIDN'T REALLY PLAN ON TALKING, BUT I'M, I GOTTA KEEP THIS FROM HAPPENING. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES FOR MORE PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY RENTERS. 
          RENTERS. 
          THEY DON'T TAKE PRIDE IN WHERE THEY'RE FROM. 
          THEY STAY FOR A WHILE, RUIN THE AREA AND JUST MOVE ON. 
          I'VE BEEN THERE 50 YEARS OR 49 NOW. 
          I GREW UP THERE. 
          I USED TO PLAY IN THE WOODS WHERE WALMART IS THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN THE NINTH GRADE SCHOOL WHEN IT WAS ALL WOODS. 
          EVER SINCE THEY BUILT THAT, I'VE NOTICED THE CREEK AT THE END OF MY STREET GETS HIGHER AND HIGHER EVERY TIME IT RAINS. 
          IT'S ALMOST IN OUR STREET. 
          ALSO WITH THE RESOURCES. 
          THE FIRE STATION HASN'T CHANGED. 
          IT'S STILL ONE FIRE TRUCK, ONE AMBULANCE. 
          YOU BUILT MOUNTAIN CREEK, YOU BUILT SUMMIT PARK, BUILT ALL THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          THERE'S NO MORE RESOURCES. 
          WE ONLY GOT MCDONALD'S AND CHIPOTLE TO EAT. 
          THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE RETAIL COMMERCIAL, BUILT SOME RESTAURANTS. 
          WE USED TO HAVE TWO GROCERY STORES. 
          WE HAD AN ALBERTSON'S AND SECOND SAVE, SECOND SAVE, BURNED DOWN. 
          ALBERTSON'S JUST CLOSED. 
          NOW THEY'RE JUST AN EMPTY LOT AND EMPTY BUILDING. 
          WE NEED SOMETHING FOR THE PEOPLE. 
          WE DON'T NEED MORE PEOPLE. 
          WE NEED SOMETHING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. 
          THERE'S SO MANY THINGS. 
          HOW I, I THANK Y'ALL FOR Y'ALL'S TIME. 
          THAT'S ALL I GOT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ANY OTHER SPEAKERS BEFORE WE GO TO OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE? OKAY. 
          COURT IS MS. WATERS. 
          I THINK SHE OKAY. 
          ANY OF THE SPEAKERS ONLINE FOR THIS CASE? YES. 
          MR. JACOB? MR. UH, MS. JORDAN. 
          ALRIGHT, MS. JORDAN, ARE YOU ONLINE? YES, I'M ONLINE. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE, WE CAN HEAR YOU, BUT WE CAN'T SEE YOU YET. 
          PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR CAMERA'S ON SO WE CAN HEAR FROM YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT IS THE CHALLENGE BECAUSE I AM ON, I AM TRYING TO FIGURE  HOW TO TURN MY CAMERA ON IN, IN THIS, UH, APPLICATION. 
          I'VE NEVER HAD THIS PROBLEM BEFORE. 
          SEE, THERE SHOULD BE A LITTLE ICON THERE SOMEWHERE. 
          YOU HAVE TO TOGGLE ON AND OFF. 
          OKAY, THERE WE GO. 
          CAN YOU SEE ME NOW? YES, WE CAN. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. 
          MY NAME IS LINDA JORDAN. 
          I'M A HOMEOWNER IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, AND I AM IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. 
          FIRST OF ALL, A A BRIEF BIT ABOUT ME. 
          I AM COMING TO YOU AS A FORMER DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY EMPLOYEE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND COMMUNITY 
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DEVELOPMENT. 
          I HAVE WORKED AS A REPRESENTATIVE AND SPECIALIST WITH THE US DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, AND I'M ALSO A FORMER BANK EXAMINER THAT DEALS WITH COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT ACT INVESTMENTS AND CREDIT ACCESS FOR LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES. 
          I SAY ALL THAT TO SAY THAT I, IT IS NOT LOST ON ME, THE SPIRIT AND THE MISSION OF WHAT THIS PROJECT SEEKS TO ACHIEVE. 
          HOWEVER, THE METHOD, AND BY WHICH THE DEVELOPERS HAVE GONE ABOUT DOING THIS, HAS NOT AT ALL ENLIGHTENED THE COMMUNITY. 
          IN FACT, I HAVE REACHED OUT TO MY COUNCIL MEMBER NO LESS THAN SIX TIMES WITHOUT ANY RESPONSE. 
          THE ENGAGEMENT EFFORT THAT THIS DEVELOPER HAS FACILITATED HAS BEEN VERY MINIMAL AT BEST AND VERY LACKING IN MEANING AT MOST. 
          AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THAT THE TAX SUBSIDIES THAT THIS PROJECT SEEKS TO, UM, TO, TO GET THERE IS A COVENANT IN THERE. 
          AND THERE'S A SPIRIT IN THERE THAT TALKS ABOUT INCLUDING THE COMMUNITY, THAT PROJECTS SUCH AS THIS WILL IMPACT AND THAT ENGAGEMENT HAS BEEN VERY MINIMAL. 
          THE HOMEOWNERS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE EARLIER SLIDES THIS MORNING, MOST OF THOSE HOMEOWNERS ARE LANDLORD TENANT SITUATIONS. 
          AND SO THEY'RE ABSENTEE. 
          WE HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF SUBSIDIZED HOUSING, BOTH MULTIFAMILY SECTION EIGHT, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING IN THIS COMMUNITY. 
          WE DO NOT NEED ANY MORE SUBSIDIZED HOUSING. 
          I, I FEEL STRONGLY THAT, THAT WE NEED TO SUPPORT OUR FELLOW MAN. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S UNFAIR FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO BEAR THE ENTIRE BURDEN OF THAT, OF THAT EFFORT. 
          AS I SAID, IF YOU GO DOWN TO CAMP WISDOM, TO, UH, TO, UH, BELTLINE FM 1382, IF YOU GO UP TO CEDAR RIDGE, IF YOU GO DOWN EVEN FURTHER INTO THE WOODS, YOU HAVE A, A PLETHORA OF SUBSIDIZED HOUSING. 
          THE GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE A MINUTE AGO SAYING THAT WE DON'T NEED MORE PEOPLE, WE NEED MORE SERVICES, HE IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. 
          WE HAVE OTHER CHALLENGES. 
          AND WHILE WALMART IS THERE, WALMART DOES NOT HAVE REALLY GOOD PRODUCE AND GOOD THINGS THAT OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS. 
          AND SO I AM JUST SAYING TO YOU, WHILE MY VOICE MAY NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE, I JUST WANNA REMIND THE DEVELOPER THAT THAT TAX SUBSIDY AND THAT BANK THAT'S GONNA PARTICIPATE IN YOUR, IN YOUR PROJECT, THEY ARE ALSO HELD TO A STANDARD THAT INCLUDES THE SPIRIT OF ENGAGEMENT IN A TRUE, MEANINGFUL WAY. 
          WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE CHALLENGES OF TRAFFIC, THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE, THE LACK AND, AND THE INCREASED INSURANCE COSTS THAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN WITH HOMEOWNERS LIKE MYSELF AS A RESULT OF THESE PROJECTS. 
          SO PLEASE, I'M ASKING THE COMMISSION AT BEST TO RETHINK THIS. 
          I I AM SEEKING THAT YOU, I'M PRAYING THAT IS NOT APPROVED, ALTHOUGH I KNOW IT PROBABLY WILL BE. 
          UM, BUT I, I REALLY WOULD LIKE FOR US TO RETHINK THIS AND MAYBE LOOK AT ANOTHER LOCATION. 
          I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE'S NOT A NEED FOR THIS PROJECT, BUT I AM SAYING THAT IT IS A BAD PLACE TO PUT IT AT THE CORNER OF WHEATLAND AND CLARK ROADS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENTION, AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE MY OPINION. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, MR. RENO. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I'M ASSUMING, UH, CHRIS RENO, THAT'S THE ONE YOU'RE ASKING FOR NOW, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MY NAME'S CHRIS RENO. 
          I LIVE AT 7 2 5 1 BAYBERRY LANE, AND I AM 423 FEET FROM THE PROPOSED, UH, DEVELOPMENT I WANTED TO DO. 
          I HEAR A LOT ABOUT THIS, UM, UH, OLD DALLAS 2.0 AND HOW THIS FITS INTO THAT SCHEME. 
          AND I WANTED TO START OFF THERE. 
          I I, I, I APPRECIATE WHAT Y'ALL DO AND I, AND I APPRECIATE Y'ALL GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK HERE AS A COMMUNITY, BUT I THINK SOMETHING THAT'S GETTING LOST IN THAT FORWARD DALLAS 2.0 IS PROVIDING THE HOUSING BEFORE LOOKING AT THE IMPACT ON THE EXISTING COMMUNITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          WE'RE GOING ABOUT IT BACKWARDS. 
          WE SHOULD BE IMPROVING THE EXISTING COMMUNITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN BRINGING IN THE HOUSING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. 
          SO IN, IN, IN, IN THE FORWARD DALLAS 2.0 WEBSITE, IT SAYS THAT THEY WANT TO ASSIGN SPECIFIC USE CATEGORY FOR RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL. 
          Y'ALL, AND I'M SURE Y'ALL ARE AWARE OF ALL OF THIS, BUT THEY WANT TO DO IT IN A SAFE MANNER SO THAT COMMUNITIES FEEL SAFE AND PROTECTED AND THAT THERE'S A PLAN GOING FORWARD FOR THAT COMMUNITY. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS CALL KNOWS WHAT KIND OF PLAN OUR COMMUNITY HAS. 
          OTHERS HAVE ADDRESSED THE FACT OF THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE AS FAR AS AMBULANCE AND FIRE STATION. 
          WE HAVE ONE TRUCK. 
          IT SAYS THAT WE HAVE ONE AMBULANCE, BUT THAT IS NOT A DEDICATED AMBULANCE FOR THAT HOUSE AND IS OUTSOURCED. 
          AS OF TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO. 
          I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO PREPARE ANYTHING WITH A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME TO, TO GET A FACT ON THAT. 
          I, I ALSO HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED AT WHEATLAND AND CLARK, BUT I DO KNOW FROM THE IMAGE THAT WAS PRESENTED BY THE DEVELOPER, THAT ENTRANCE TO THEIR SOLE ENTRANCE AND EXIT TO THAT, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEX, OR IS GOING TO BE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM A GRADE SCHOOL ENTRANCE. 
          IT'S GONNA BE 200 FEET AWAY FROM THE ENTRANCE TO KINER, THE ENTRANCE TO ACTON, 
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THE ENTRANCE TO THE GAS STATION, THE ENTRANCE TO WALMART AND THE OTHER GAS STATION ACROSS THE STREET, ALL WITHIN 200 FEET. 
          AND THEY SAID THAT THEIR IMPACT, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT SURVEY SAID NO IMPACT. 
          THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE. 
          AND I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S CONSIDERED IN THAT OR, OR WHAT IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT HERE, BUT THE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA IS ATROCIOUS, RIGHT THERE AT THAT INTERSECTION. 
          LEADS TO MULTIPLE ACCIDENTS, PEOPLE TURNING IN AND OUT. 
          AND THIS IS JUST ADDING TO IT. 
          UM, THE PICTURES ARE VERY MISLEADING THAT WERE PRESENTED, AND I, THEY WERE TAKEN FROM THE TOP OF THE ALLEY AND THEY DIDN'T SHOW DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. 
          THEY ONLY SHOWED THE LITTLE OPEN FIELD. 
          THEY DIDN'T SHOW THE, THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT IS DIRECTLY BEHIND THAT. 
          UH, SO I, IT DON'T JUST GO ABOUT THE PICTURES. 
          IF WE LOOKED AT AN, THE AERIAL MAPS THAT THEY CONVENIENTLY CUT OFF THE CROSS STREET TO SHOW YOU WHERE THOSE TURNS ARE, UH, SUMMIT PARK HAD AN ENTRANCE, UH, AND WAS CREATED AND, AND VOTED INTO BY, BY THIS COMMITTEE IN THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          IT WAS PUT IN, UH, YEARS DOWN THE LINE. 
          IT WAS DEEMED THAT THE EXIT OUT OF SUMMIT PARK WAS DANGEROUS. 
          THAT'S YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          JOHNNY. 
          UH, CAMPBELL? YES. 
          MR. CAMPBELL, ARE YOU ONLINE, SIR? CAN'T GET IT. 
          HOLD ON. 
          OH, MY VIDEO'S NOT WORKING. 
          MY VIDEO'S NOT WORKING. 
          HELLO? YES, MA'AM. 
          WE, WE SEE AN IMAGE, BUT WE DON'T SEE A PERSON. 
          CAN YOU SEE YOU NOW? OH, YES. 
          WE, WE, IF YOU LOWER THE CAMERA A LITTLE BIT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE YOU. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          OH, LITTLE MORE. 
          HOW ABOUT NOW? CAN YOU JUST LOWER IT A LITTLE BIT MORE? THAT'LL BE FINE. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, UM, PRETTY MUCH I'M, EVERYBODY ELSE HAS STATED, UM, I'M A RESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, CAN YOU LOWER THE CAMERA A LITTLE BIT MORE MA'AM? HOW ABOUT NOW? THERE WE GO. 
          THAT'S PERFECT. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M A RESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT EVEN THOUGH THAT THE COUNCIL DON'T REALIZE IT, WHEN YOU ADD MORE PEOPLE, OUR SCHOOLS ARE ALSO GETTING FILLED UP TOO. 
          RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE 20 TO 25 CHILDREN IN A CLASSROOM. 
          LATER IT'S GOING TO BE 30 TO 35 CHILDREN IN A CLASSROOM WITH ONE TEACHER. 
          AND MY QUESTION IS, UM, WHERE ARE THESE CHILDREN GOING TO BE GOING TO GO WITH MORE CHILDREN COME MORE DISCIPLINE, DISCIPLINE PROBLEMS, AND ALSO WITH CRIME. 
          CRIME HAS GONE UP. 
          APARTMENTS MANAGERS HAVE CONFIRMED THAT ABOUT 52% OF MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTIES HAS GONE UP WITHIN THE LAST YEAR AND RESIDENTS HAVE DECREASED IN CRIME SINCE LAST YEAR. 
          AND LET'S NOT JUST FORGET ABOUT THE MINI CAR, LIKE THEY SAID, THE CAR ACCIDENT. 
          AT THE END OF THE DAY, I KNOW Y'ALL GONNA DO WHAT Y'ALL WANT TO DO, BUT CAN Y'ALL CONSIDER FINDING SOMETHING ELSE TO PUT THERE CONDOS, SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD BENEFIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, JUST ADDING MORE TO OUR PROBLEM. 
          THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          I CONCUR WITH EVERYONE. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          OKAY. 
          BEFORE WE GO TO OUR REBUTTALS, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? MR. BALDWIN, YOU HAVE YOUR TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL, SIR. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, AS YOU SAID THIS, WE THINK THIS IS A VERY REASONABLE REQUEST, UH, GOING FROM CR TO MF TWO, UH, WE'RE RIGHT AT ABOUT 28 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. 
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UH, WE ARE PROPOSING TO COMPLY WITH THE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE AND ALL THOSE OTHER, UM, ITEMS I READ INTO THE RECORD. 
          UM, HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS. 
          I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          I BELIEVE THERE, THERE WILL BE SOME QUESTIONS, UH, BUT BEFORE WE GET TO OUR QUESTIONS, WE NEED A MOTION COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES. 
          AND AFTER THE MOTION AND DISCUSSION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS, BUT, UM, IN THE CASE OF Z 2 45 DASH 2 0 2, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FILE A STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HARBERT FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          MR. RUBIN, FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION. 
          I KNOW THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, SUBJECT TO YOUR HONOR. 
          OH, YES. 
          IS THAT SUBJECT TO THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AS READ INTO THE RECORD? YES. 
          SUBJECT TO THE DE RESTRICTIONS AS READ INTO THE RECORD FOR SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER WHEELER OR COMMENTS, OR CAN I HAVE QUESTIONS TO STAFF? ANYONE? YES. 
          UM, COMMENT AND, AND I'M GONNA MAKE A COMMENT OUTTA THIS, UM, STAFF, IF WE WAS NOT TO APPROVE THIS ON TODAY, WOULD THE NEW SENATE BILL, UM, ALLOW FOR THEM TO BILL THIS BY RIGHT. 
          IN SEPTEMBER? THIS IS AN EXISTING DISTRICT THAT PERMITS COMMERCIAL USES. 
          SO SB EIGHT 40 WOULD, WOULD THEN REQUIRE US TO PERMIT PERMIT, UH, MULTIFAMILY USES THERE. 
          UM, AND THE BASE HEIGHT THAT THE MINIMUM MAXIMUM HEIGHT THAT THAT BILL ALLOWS IS 45 FEET. 
          SO YES, THOSE WOULD, UH, PRETTY MUCH HAVE TO BE PERMITTED IN A COUPLE MONTHS. 
          UM, SO YES, UM, BASED OFF OF THAT INFORMATION, WE'RE SUPPORTING THE, UM, MOTION BECAUSE TECHNICALLY OUR HANDS ARE TIED. 
          AS WE HAVE HEARD ALL THE STATEMENTS IN THE PAST. 
          WE WOULD POSSIBLY TAKE THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT EVEN IF WE DO NOT APPROVE IT TODAY, THERE IS A SENATE BILL THAT WAS PASSED LAST MONTH THAT WOULD GIVE THEM THE RIGHT BY RIGHT TO DO SUCH A THING. 
          AND SO BASED OFF OF THAT, IT IS NOT US IGNORING, UM, THE COMMUNITY WANTS NEEDS. 
          IT IS A STATE SENATE BILL THAT TIES CITY AND PLANNING, UM, CITY PLAN COMMISSION AND COUNCIL'S HANDS. 
          IT SAYS IT'S GONNA BE APPROVED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 
          SO WITH THIS, WE CAN, WE APPROVE IT WITH THE RESTRICTIONS THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY ASKING FOR. 
          UM, AND I, I KNOW THAT WE, WE ARE NOT BRIEFED ON IT QUITE WELL, BUT, UM, THAT BILL WENT INTO EFFECT LAST MONTH AND, UM, WE'RE WORKING TO GET EDUCATED ON IT. 
          SO I BELIEVE, IF I MIGHT BE MISTAKEN, THAT THAT'S THE REASON WHY MY COLLEAGUE IS APPROVING IT. 
          ALSO, AM I CORRECT BECAUSE WE, IT, IT WOULD BE APPROVED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 
          SO THIS DIDN'T COME FROM US, IT CAME FROM THE STATE . 
          UH, OKAY. 
          BEFORE WE GO, UM, I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION THAT I'LL, I'LL JUMP IN HERE JUST TO KIND OF MAYBE TAKE A STEP BACK. 
          SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE HERE. 
          AND THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          UH, CAN YOU JUST KIND OF EXPLAIN TO US IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, WHAT, WHAT DID SENATE BILL EIGHT 40 DO? AND IS THAT IT? IS THAT THE LAW TODAY? RIGHT? YES. 
          NO, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          I THINK I CAN START A LITTLE BIT MORE AT THE TOP AND EXPLAIN HOW IT, YOU KNOW, CAME FROM AND, AND WHERE IT'S HEADED. 
          SO STATE LEGISLATION AIMED AT CREATING MORE HOUSING AND, UH, 20 OF THE LARGEST CITIES IN THE STATE, UM, SAID THAT WHERE IN ZONING DISTRICTS SUCH AS THIS ONE THAT IS ZONED COMMERCIAL RETAIL AND ZONING DISTRICTS, UH, THAT EXIST IN THE, UH, APPLICABLE CITIES, INCLUDING DALLAS, UM, MULTIFAMILY USES ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THOSE DISTRICTS THAT ALREADY ALLOW THINGS LIKE COMMERCIAL, LIKE RETAIL, RESTAURANTS, THOSE SORTS OF OFFICES. 
          UM, SO WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE CITY IS THAT IT'S NOT ALLOWED TO PROHIBIT, UH, MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT. 
          MULTIFAMILY USES APARTMENT USES IN, UM, COMMERCIAL PLACES, BASICALLY PLACES THAT ALLOW COMMERCIAL THINGS. 
          UM, SO IN, IN, AND THAT WAS PASSED IN JUNE, SIGNED, UM, BY THE GOVERNOR AND THEN TAKES EFFECT AT SEPTEMBER ONE, THE CITY HAS TO COMPLY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, EITHER BY PERMITTING THEM OR, OR AMENDING OUR CODES. 
          UM, EITHER WAY, THAT'S SOMETHING THE CITY'S REQUIRED TO DO BY THE STATE. 
          UM, AS, AS TIME COMES UP, UM, WHAT THAT MEANS LOCALLY IS THAT CERTAIN THINGS ABOUT THE DENSITY AND THE HEIGHT, UM, WOULD APPLY. 
          THERE ARE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT WE AS A CITY CAN RESTRICT IN TERMS OF HEIGHT AND DENSITY. 
          WE ACTUALLY CAN'T PUT, UM, HIGH LIMITS ON THE HEIGHT AND DENSITY. 
          SO WE, THE OTHER WAY OF SAYING THAT IS IF THE CURRENT ZONING REMAINS, UM, WE HAVE TO ALLOW, UH, BUILDINGS UP TO 45 FEET, UM, A SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER DENSITY, UM, THAN IS PERMITTED THERE TODAY, UM, WITHOUT ANY REZONINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WITH THE, UM, EXISTING ZONING. 
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UM, SO IN, IF IT WERE SEPTEMBER 2ND, UM, TODAY, THEN GOING FROM COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO WHICH IT IS NOW TO A MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE THEM ABLE TO BUILD LESS HEIGHT, UH, APARTMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHY THIS CONVERSATION IS A, IS A LITTLE NUANCED, BUT I'M HOPING I'M PUTTING INTO BETTER TERMS THAT, UM, COME SEPTEMBER, THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T NEED THIS REZONING, UM, FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE LAND USE. 
          SO, SO JUST A, A QUICK FOLLOW UP. 
          UM, SO AFTER THE LAW CHANGED, ESSENTIALLY PROPERTIES LIKE THESE HAVE ADDITIONAL ENTITLEMENTS, THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL RIGHTS THAT IF THEY WANT TO PURSUE THOSE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO COMMISSIONER HERBERT OR THIS BODY OR THE COUNCIL OR, OR HIRE A, A CONSULTANT. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. 
          THEY'RE AUTOMATICALLY ENTITLED BY THE STATE TODAY. 
          IT'S STATE LAW. 
          UH, THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME IN AND GET DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME IN AND NEGOTIATE AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE, UH, VOLUNTEERED BY APPLICANTS? THEY'RE JUST GO STRAIGHT TO PERMITTING. 
          YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          SO BASICALLY THE LAW MADE OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS MORE INCLUSIVE OR MORE ALLOWING OF THINGS LIKE HEIGHT AND DENSITY OF APARTMENTS. 
          SO, UM, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH MOST OF THIS PROCESS FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT, ZONING LAND USE STANDPOINT, UM, IN THE FUTURE WHEN THIS BILL IS OUT, WHEN THIS BILL COMES INTO EFFECT. 
          I'LL HAVE A FOLLOW UP HERE IN A MINUTE, BUT I KNOW THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FROM VICE RUBIN. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA ADD FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SPEAKING AGAINST IT, IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T HEAR YOU, WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. 
          IT'S JUST THAT THIS IS NOT UP TO PLAN COMMISSION. 
          IT'S NOT UP TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          IT'S NOT UP TO FORWARD. 
          DALLAS, THE STATE HAS PREEMPTED THE DECISION HERE, YOU KNOW, COME SEPTEMBER THE FIRST, ANY PARCEL OF LAND IN THE CITY, IN THIS CITY AND CITIES OF COMPARABLE SIZE, THE PARCELS THAT ARE ZONED FOR RETAIL CAN BE MULTIFAMILY BY, RIGHT. 
          ALL THE OWNER HAS TO DO IS GO TO PERMITTING. 
          THERE'LL BE NO COMMUNITY INPUT, NO GOING THROUGH ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          AND SO I THINK THE POINT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IS WHAT'S BEING OFFERED HERE WITH THE DEED RESTRICTIONS GIVES YOU LESS DENSITY, LESS HEIGHT, MORE AMENITIES THAN WHAT YOU WOULD GET COME SEPTEMBER. 
          AND, UM, ALSO THE WAY I READ THE EIGHT 40 AND, UM, I'LL PUT OUT THERE THAT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN AN OFFICIAL BRIEFING ON IT, BUT FROM READING, WE CANNOT, THE CITY CANNOT FORCE THEM TO DO A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE CANNOT FORCE THEM TO DO A TRAFFIC, UM, ANALYSIS OF ANY SORT. 
          UM, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE MULTI-FAMILY BY RIDE. 
          MR. RUBIN? YEAH, I WANT TO DIG IN ON THIS TOPIC JUST A LITTLE MORE. 
          UM, MY, MY FEELINGS ON SB EIGHT 40 OR, OR COMPLICATED, UM, I KNOW THE PROPONENTS OF IT AND, UM, SAY THAT ALLOWING MULTIFAMILY OR MIXED USE ON THIS COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL ZONE LAND IS, IS APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THE INTENSITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL IS LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE ALLOWED, THEREBY, RIGHT. 
          AND EVEN IN THE ABSENCE OF EIGHT, SB EIGHT 40, I THINK THAT LOGIC TRACKS TO, TO SOME DEGREE ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE BECAUSE IT'S ZONE CR YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION ABOUT THIS SITE IS NOT WHETHER IT TURNS RESIDENTIAL OR WHETHER IT STAYS UNDEVELOPED AND THUS HAS NO IMPACT ON THE AREA. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT ZONING CASES, IT'S WHAT ELSE COULD BE DEVELOPED THERE. 
          AND IN THE CR THERE ARE SOME FAIRLY INTENSE USES THAT COULD BE PUT ON THAT SITE. 
          THIS ALLOWS A DRIVE-THROUGH BANK A THROUGH, UM, RESTAURANT. 
          I THINK IT'S THROUGH DIR, WHICH DOESN'T REQUIRE THEM TO COME BACK THROUGH CITY PLAN COMMISSION TO GET PERMISSION TO DO IT. 
          UM, I BELIEVE CAR WASHES, I BELIEVE AUTO SERVICE AND, YOU KNOW, PRETTY RETAIL WITH A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT FOOTPRINT, I THINK UP TO 99,000 SQUARE FEET WITHOUT AN SEP. 
          SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THESE DECISIONS AND WHAT IMPACT THEY'LL HAVE IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC OR INFRASTRUCTURE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, YOU KNOW, WEIGHING AGAINST THE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT THE MULTIFAMILY WOULD GENERATE IN THE AREA, OR WHAT SORT OF TRAFFIC WOULD BE GENERATED BY A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT ON THAT SITE, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN THE MULTIFAMILY AND WHAT SORT OF OTHER IMPACTS WOULD HAVE THERE. 
          SO I, I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE'S CONCERNS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE, BUT THE CHOICE HERE AS WE LOOK AT IT, ISN'T MULTIFAMILY OR NOTHING, IT'S MULTIFAMILY OR WHAT ELSE COULD THEY BUILD THERE? SO I THINK THAT HELPS ME GET MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS RESULT OF ADDING MULTIFAMILY. 
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COMMISSIONER KEYSTONE. 
          I, I GUESS I LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. 
          WE HEAR FROM RESIDENTS ALL THE TIME THAT THEY DON'T WANT APARTMENTS BECAUSE APARTMENT DWELLERS ARE SOME FORM OF EVIL PEOPLE, AND I JUST DON'T SHARE THAT POINT OF VIEW. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT, I THINK, IS PROPOSED TO BUILD HOUSING THAT WE NEED. 
          IT APPEARS TO BE A FAIRLY DECENT LOOKING PROPOSAL. 
          I, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE MOVING AHEAD WITH IT IN SPITE OF SB EIGHT 40. 
          UM, I THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. 
          UM, I, I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NECESSARILY APPROPRIATE FOR US TO, TO ACT LIKE, UM, WE'RE BEING FORCED TO ACCEPT THIS. 
          UM, WE'RE FORTUNATE IN MY POINT OF VIEW THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO CONTINUE DOWN THIS PATH IN JULY WHEN 60 DAYS FROM NOW YOU COULD DO SOMETHING ELSE. 
          MAYBE SOMETHING ELSE THAT MIGHT BE LESS RESTRICTIVE, MORE PROFITABLE, FASTER, WHATEVER. 
          SO I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT YOU ALL COME UP WITH. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FORAY. 
          UH, MY QUESTION IS FOR ROB, ALL THE, YOU KNOW, UM, NEIGHBORS THAT SPOKE HERE TODAY WERE SPOKEN IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT, BUT I UNDERSTAND FROM YOUR DISCUSSION, UH, WHEN YOU SPOKE EARLIER THAT THERE HAS BEEN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON YEAH. 
          TURN, IF I COULD TURN IT OVER TO MICHAEL. 
          UH, MY CLIENT, HE, HE'S DONE SOME, HE AND SANDY HAVE DONE SOME EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY OUTREACH. 
          YEAH, YOU GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW. 
          UM, SO WE, UM, MICHAEL TTS, UM, WHAT IS MY ADDRESS? UH, 11 8 3 7 KINGSVILLE DRIVE, FRISCO, TEXAS. 
          UM, I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT DEVELOPER. 
          UM, WE STARTED THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH. 
          I BELIEVE WE SEND OUT, UM, AT LEAST 20 NOTICES TO THE MUNI MUNICIPALITY CITY COUNCIL, THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT WE'RE IN, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HOAS. 
          UH, I BELIEVE WE BEGAN THAT OUTREACH, UH, THE FIRST WEEK OF JANUARY. 
          UM, SO THAT SENDS OUT A FORMAL RECORDED NOTICE OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD THE NUMBER OF UNITS, THE MIX, UM, AND CERTAIN OTHER, UH, VARIABLES OF OUR DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, WE FOLLOWED THAT UP WITH FURTHER OUTREACH WITH LOCAL, UM, HOA PRESIDENTS. 
          UM, AND WE HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING THAT WE SCHEDULED, UH, I BELIEVE IN FEBRUARY FOR APRIL. 
          UM, IS IT APRIL? UM, THAT WE HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, ONE OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, CENTERS, UM, GOT A LITTLE HEATED, GOT A LITTLE POLITICAL, UM, NOT NECESSARILY BELIEVE DUE TO US JUST BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND TIMING. 
          UH, BUT WE TOOK A LOT OF THE INPUT FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND HAVE REDESIGNED THE SITE MULTIPLE TIMES, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THE DE DESIRES OF THOSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT HAD CONSTRUCTIVE ITEMS THAT WE, OTHER THAN NOT BUILDING ANYTHING THERE THAT WE COULD WORK AROUND AND DESIGN AROUND THE, THE BUILDING THAT YOU SEE, THAT'S NOT AN EFFICIENT WAY TO BUILD A BUILDING WITH TWO DIFFERENT, UH, HEIGHT ELEVATIONS. 
          THAT'S TO LOWER THE HEIGHT OF OUR BUILDING. 
          UM, SOME OF THE OTHER DESIGN FEATURES ON THE SITE ARE TO ACCOMMODATE DESIRES OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WOULD SPEAK WITH US AND GIVE US, UM, CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM, UM, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, AND WE, WE CONTINUE TO TRY AND REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND I BELIEVE WE'RE PLANNING TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING, UM, JUST AFTER THE END OF THIS MONTH, EARLY AUGUST AS WELL. 
          SO MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION IS, UH, TO ROB, SOME OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS ONLY ONE POINT OF EGRESS AND INGRESS INTO THE, UH, INTO THIS PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          JUMP IN. 
          UM, WE, WE HAD TRIED LOOKING AT DOING TWO POINTS OF INGRESS EGRESS, UM, BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE THAT ENDS UP CREATING MORE TRAFFIC, HAVING TWO IN AND OUTS FROM THE SITE. 
          OUR CURRENT ENTRANCES THE WIDTH OF TWO, TWO ACCESS POINTS. 
          UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, AGAIN, THERE'S TWO GATED ACCESSES. 
          SO YOU HAVE A FULL DRIVE ENTRANCE, UM, FROM ONE SIDE WITH A MEDIAN AND A FULL DRIVE ACCESS, UH, FOR AN EXIT AS WELL. 
          SO IT'S NOT THE MINIMUM OF ONE ENTRANCE. 
          UM, IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER. 
          AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE BOTH ON WHEATLAND, RIGHT? AND THEY'RE BOTH ON WHEATLAND? YES. 
          THEY'RE BOTH ON WHEATLAND. 
          SO THEY, THEY'RE AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORS COMMISSIONER RINKY. 
          YEAH, I, WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT THAT EIGHT 40 AND THE IMPLICATIONS. 
          I'M SURE YOU GUYS ARE REALLY WELL VERSED IN IT MORE THAN ME MAYBE. 
          UM, SO I'M JUST CURIOUS 'CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THIS, WHY ARE YOU GOING THROUGH THIS TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE, 'CAUSE YOU COULD POSSIBLY JUST DO NOTHING AND JUST DO, YOU KNOW, DO THOSE THINGS THAT PEOPLE SAID HERE. 
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SO ONE OF THE, UH, ONE OF THE REASONS IS WE'VE BEEN UNDERWRITING THIS DEAL SINCE NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR. 
          UH, WE'VE GOT UNDERWRITING, WE'VE GOT LENDING, AND WE'VE GOT FINANCING IN PLACE, UH, NOW FOUR 90 UNITS FOR THE WAY WE HAVE IT SET UP. 
          WE HAVE NOT RE UNDERWRITTEN OR REDESIGNED AROUND EIGHT 40 AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, THE LONGER IT TAKES INTEREST, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT COSTS, TIME IS NOT FREE IN THIS INSTANCE. 
          UM, SO OUR UNDERWRITING WORKS RIGHT NOW. 
          WE ARE HAPPY TO PROCEED EXACTLY AS IT IS. 
          UM, AND I, AND I THINK PART OF IT IS WE'RE MISSION DRIVEN DEVELOPERS, AND AS MUCH AS SOME OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE AGAINST US, UM, THIS IS A FUNCTIONAL LOW INTENSITY USE AS TO WHAT IT COULD BE. 
          UM, AND WE, WE LIKE TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AS MUCH AS WE CAN. 
          UM, SO FOR LACK OF PHRASING, IT'S JUST WE ARE VERY DOWN THE ROAD AT THIS POINT AND WE'RE HAPPY OUR INVESTORS ARE HAPPY, SO WE DON'T SEE A NEED TO, UM, IF WE'RE ABLE TO PROCEED. 
          GREAT. 
          THANKS. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, UH, THANK YOU. 
          UH, I THINK I JUST HEARD YOU SAY THAT THERE'LL BE 90 UNITS AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION. 
          UH, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE, THE, HOW IT'LL BE COMPROMISED? ONE TO TWO, THE THREE BEDROOMS, LIKE WHAT THE RATIO IS GOING TO BE? I HAVE IT ON THE SITE. 
          OH, I WAS JUST, SORRY. 
          OH, UH, UH, I, I SEE IT. 
          YOU SEE IT? YEP. 
          UH, 30%, ONE BEDROOMS, 50%, TWO BEDROOMS, AND 20% THREE BEDROOMS. GOOD FOR THE PARKING RATIO? NOT, NOT, NOT FOR THE PARKING RATIO. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A GRASP OF HOW MANY PEOPLE, INDIVIDUALS MAY LIVE IN THIS, YOU KNOW, THREE MM-HMM . 
          FOUR ACRE LOCATION. 
          IT'S NOT ON THIS PLAN SET, BUT WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF LIKE, BEDROOM COUNT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, THROUGH THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY, I'VE HEARD AT LEAST ONE PERSON SAY THAT THIS WAS SUBSIDIZED HOUSING OR SECTION EIGHT HOUSING. 
          CAN YOU EXPLAIN, UH, I UNDERSTAND THERE MAY BE TAX CREDITS, BUT MM-HMM . 
          EXPLAIN WHAT THEY MEAN BY, OR THEIR INTERPRETATION OR YOUR INTERPRETATION OF HOW THIS SUBSIDIZE. 
          YEAH, SO THE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MIXED INCOME. 
          WE ARE, WE ARE UTILIZING AFFORDABLE HOUSING TAX CREDITS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, THAT IS A SUB SUBSIDIZATION OF THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, NOT OF THE TENANTS LIVING THERE. 
          UH, FOR THE TRADE OFF FOR THAT IS THERE ARE, UH, INCOME LIMITS BASED ON AREA MEDIAN INCOMES. 
          SO FOR THE DALLAS COUNTY, WHATEVER THE INCOME IS, WE CAN, UM, UH, WE, OUR RENTS ARE MAXED FROM 30 TO 70% OF THOSE, OF THOSE AMIS. 
          UM, SO PEOPLE HAVE TO WORK, THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO MAKE AN INCOME, THEY CAN'T MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY. 
          AND THE TRADE OFF FOR THAT IS THEY HAVE AN AFFORDABLE PLACE TO LIVE. 
          SO THEY'RE PAYING RENT. 
          UM, IT'S NOT FREE RENT, IT'S NOT SUBSIDIZED BY SOMEONE PAYING THEIR RENT FOR THEM. 
          UH, IT JUST, UM, THEY CAN'T MAKE OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT AND QUALIFY TO LIVE THERE. 
          WHAT IS THE AVERAGE A MII WANT TO SAY IT'S 86,000, UM, IS THE, IS A HUNDRED PERCENT A MI SO THEN IT WOULD GO AS A PERCENTAGE OF THAT. 
          YOU SAID THAT IT WOULD RANGE BETWEEN 30 AND 70. 
          YES. 
          BUT IS THERE AN AVERAGE A MI FOR THE ENTIRE, UH, I WANNA SAY AN AVERAGE, DON'T HOLD THIS TO ME, BUT I WANNA SAY AVERAGE WAS AROUND 60, 60 TO 70. 
          AND IN THESE, IN THIS PRODUCT, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A CEILING OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT SOMEONE CAN EARN IN, IN ORDER TO GET THAT, THAT THAT SUBSIDY. 
          UH, WILL YOU ALL BE ACCEPTING ANY, UH, VOUCHERS, LIKE SECTION EIGHT VOUCHERS OR ANY OTHER INCOME VOUCHERS FOR BY LAW EVERYONE IN THE PROGRAM HAS TO ACCEPT VOUCHERS. 
          UM, SO, SO WE WILL, YES, MARKET, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S ALSO MARKET RATE AND THERE'S, UM, DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF, OF OUR INCOME SET ASIDES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE WOULD BE MARKET RATE APARTMENTS IN THIS, UH, YEP. 
          YEP. 
          10, 10%. 
          SO, UH, NINE UNITS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER HUR, I'M JUST GONNA HAVE ONE QUICK COMMENT SO YOU CAN HAVE LESS SORTS, SIR. 
          UH, JUST, UH, MR. BALDWIN, JUST A VERY QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU AND, AND YES, SIR. 
          UM, YOU'VE PROBABLY DONE A COUPLE OF THOUSAND OF THESE. 
          SO JUST A VERY BROAD QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          YOU KNOW, UH, WE HEAR A LOT ABOUT TRAFFIC. 
          AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT MY COLLEAGUES MADE, BASICALLY WE HAVE A, A CR PROPERTY GETTING PROBABLY DOWN ZONE IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC TO A, YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY. 
          IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, 
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WHAT KIND OF A TRAFFIC DIFFERENCE DOES IT, DOES IT MAKE TO HAVE THIS PROPERTY BE DEVELOPED AS IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED VERSUS WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS A HUGE ONE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, EACH MULTIFAMILY UNIT, UH, GENERATES ABOUT SEVEN TRIPS A DAY. 
          UH, WE DON'T COME ANYWHERE CLOSE TO REQUIRING A TIA, UH, AND WE'RE ON THREE AND A THIRD ACRES. 
          UM, A A, A CHICK-FIL-A, WHICH IS ON ABOUT A, AN ACRE, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LESS, THAT WILL GENERATE ABOUT 1500 TRIPS PER DAY. 
          AND SO YOU CAN PUT THREE OF THOSE THERE BY RIGHT, UH, TOMORROW. 
          SO WE'RE LESS THAN A THIRD OF WHAT COULD GO ON THAT, OR A SIXTH OF WHAT COULD GO ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION FOR ALL THE REASONS AS STATED BY MY COLLEAGUE. 
          AND JUST WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR, FOR WORKING ON THIS CASE. 
          I KNOW IT WAS A TOUGH ONE. 
          UH, THE, THE RULES OF THE GAME WERE CHANGED DURING THE GAME. 
          UH, BUT, UH, SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE OTHER, OTHER CASES LIMITED TO THIS. 
          THESE, THIS ONE THAT IN FACT ARE GETTING PULLED NOW BECAUSE OF THE, THE RULES HAVE CHANGED. 
          I HAVE ONE LATER IN THIS DOCKET THAT COULD VERY EASILY JUST GO AWAY AND IT WOULD GET AN AUTOMATIC ENTITLEMENT, BUT THEY'VE DECIDED TO CONTINUE ENGAGE IN THE PROCESS. 
          SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT AND COMMISSIONER HERBERT, UH, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU COLLEAGUES FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          UM, DEVELOPERS FOR YOUR, YOUR AND AND, AND ROB FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION, ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST FEW DAYS, AS I'VE PROBABLY INUNDATED YOU WITH 500 EMAILS REGARDING THIS CASE. 
          UM, BUT TO THE NEIGHBORS ESPECIALLY, I WANT TO BE CLEAR. 
          AS THE CITY PLAN COMMISSIONER, MY ROLE IS TO CONSIDER ALL ASPECTS OF THIS APPLICATION, WIN THE MERITS OF THIS PROPOSAL AGAINST OUR CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ZONING ORDINANCES, AND CRITICALLY THE WELLBEING AND SAFETY OF OUR EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          I'VE TOLD YOU, OR I'VE TOLD REPRESENTATIVES OF YOURS THAT ON THE FACE OF THIS APPLICATION, I'VE PROBABLY WOULD'VE RECOMMENDED DENIAL, UM, BECAUSE OF THE ALLEY, BECAUSE OF THE CLOSENESS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THIS RESIDENT, THIS AREA, AND THE NEED FOR RETAIL THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN CALLING FOR YEARS. 
          UM, I REALLY LOOKED AT THIS WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB. 
          UM, REVIEWED THE STAFF REPORT AND THEN ENGAGED DIRECTLY WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS. 
          UM, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE DIFFICULT POSITION THE CITY FINDS ITSELF IN DUE TO SENATE BILL EIGHT 40. 
          THIS LEGISLATION LEG SIGNIFICANTLY LIMITS OUR LOCAL CONTROL OVER DEVELOPMENT IN AREAS ZONE COMMERCIAL LIKE THIS SITE. 
          IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THE IMPLEMENTATIONS OF THIS STACK STATE MANDATE. 
          IF THIS REZONING REQUEST WERE TO BE DENIED, THE DEVELOPER HAS THE ABILITY TO BUY, RIGHT, PROCEED WITH A SIGNIFICANTLY TALLER BUILD. 
          SO VERSUS THE THREE STORIES THAT WERE BEING RECOMMENDED, THEY CAN GO UP TO FOUR AND ALMOST FIVE FEET. 
          UM, HIGHER DENSITY, THEY CAN GET ALMOST 130, UM, UM, UNITS, AND THEY'RE GOING WITH 90. 
          UM, OUR VALUES, OUR CITY'S VALUABLE. 
          LOCAL DESIGN STANDARDS INCLUDE SETBACKS, LOT COVERAGE LIMITS, AND ARCHITECTURAL CONSIDERATIONS WOULD LARGELY BE BYPASS, UM, BECAUSE OF THIS, THIS RULE. 
          UM, IT ALSO LIMITS THE PUBLIC INPUT, IS THAT ME? IT ALSO LIMITS THE PUBLIC INPUT, UM, WHICH WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HEAR FROM YOU TODAY. 
          THERE WOULD NOT BEEN A HEARING, THERE WOULD NOT BEEN A ZONING. 
          THEY'VE EVEN FAST TRACKED THE ABILITY FOR THESE UNITS TO HAVE BE PERMITTED THROUGH OUR CITY. 
          LASTLY, UM, MY FIVE MINUTES, THIS LEADS ME TO A FUNDAMENTAL POINT THAT SHOULD GUIDE ALL OF OUR PLANNING AND ENGAGEMENT, ESPECIALLY IN DISTRICT THREE, THE IMPORTANCE OF EMBRACING OUR RESIDENTS, INCLUDING OUR RENTERS AS VALUED AND ESSENTIAL MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THERE'S OFTEN AN OUTDATED NARRATIVE THAT SUGGESTS RENTERS ARE SOMEHOW LESS INVESTED IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THIS COULDN'T BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. 
          RENTERS CONTRIBUTE SIGNIFICANTLY TO OUR TAX BASE. 
          THEY SUPPORT OUR LOCAL BUSINESS. 
          THEIR CHILDREN ATTEND OUR SCHOOLS, AND THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE FIVE, THE FABRIC OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          THEY'RE OFTEN RAISING FAMILIES AND STRIVING TO BUILD THEIR LIVES HERE, JUST LIKE HOMEOWNERS, WE MUST ACTIVELY CHANGE THE WAY WE SPEAK ABOUT THEM AND ALL RESIDENTS BY BRINGING RENTERS MORE FULLY INTO THE FOLD BY MAKING THEM FEEL EQUITABLE AND HEARD. 
          THEY BECOME MORE VALUABLE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND INCREASE OUR VOTER PARTICIPATION. 
          LASTLY, TO THE DEVELOPER, I ASK THAT AFTER THIS IS PASSED, IF THIS GOES PAST, COUNSEL, THAT YOU BECOME A NEIGHBOR TO OUR NEIGHBORS, THAT YOU SUPPORT OUR VISION. 
          ZERO PRINCIPLES THAT YOU LOOK AT HOW TRAFFIC IS IMPACTING YOUR RESIDENCES AND THE RESIDENCES ACROSS THE STREET, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT CHILDREN OF YOUR PROPERTIES HIT WALKING ACROSS THE STREET OR ELDERLY OR PARENTS, UM, ON YOUR WATCH. 
          BRING IN PEDESTRIAN CLASS AMENITIES, BRING IN BICYCLE INFRASTRUCTURE, 
          [03:10:02]
PROACTIVELY MANAGE YOUR ONSITE PARKING, YOUR OVERFLOW PARKING, YOUR LANDSCAPING, THE RUSH, THE THE BUFFERS WE'VE ASKED FOR. 
          WE'VE HAD THESE PEOPLE, WE'VE HAD THESE THINGS OFFERED AND THEM NOT BE MANAGED, NOT CUT, NOT WATERED. 
          UM, YOU GUYS HAVE OFFERED GREAT DE RESTRICTIONS THAT I HONESTLY WAS THINKING IT WAS A WISHLIST. 
          UM, BUT YOU GUYS MET WITH ME, DISCUSSED THE PROBABILITY OF THEM AND, AND THEN, UM, STUCK WITH IT. 
          SO I BELIEVE THAT MY SUPPORT OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND WITH THESE CRITICAL CONSIDERATIONS FIRMLY COMMUNICATED WE CAN ACHIEVE THE BETTER OUTCOME FOR THE COMMUNITY THAN WHAT THE STATE'S BY RIGHT PROVISIONS WOULD ALLOW AND IS WHY I'M SUPPORTING THIS CASE AND ASK THAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS DO THE SAME. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 4 5 2 0 2, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HERBERT, SECONDED BY VICE CHARU TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, FALSE TO RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, INCLUDING THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT FROM THE PODIUM. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          A AND THE OPPOSED THE AYES HAVE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          COMMERS 1 47, LET'S GET BACK, UH, TAKE A BREAK, COME BACK AT TWO 2:00 PM ALRIGHT. 
          IT IS 2:01 PM AND, UH, CITY PLANNING COMMISSION IS BACK ON THE RECORD. 
          WE'VE GOT A QUORUM. 
          CASE NUMBER FIVE. 
          MR. GREGORY, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. 
          OKAY, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          UH, 
          [5. An application for an NO(A) Neighborhood Office District on property  zoned R-7.5(A) Single Family District on the north line of Lake June  Road, west of Hillburn Drive.]
ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS KC 2 45 180 5 AND APPLICATION FOR AN NOA NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED R DASH SEVEN RR DASH 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF LAKE JUNE ROAD, WEST OF HILLBURN DRIVE. 
          STAFF'S. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL. 
          THANK YOU MR. GREGORY. 
          UM, DO WE HAVE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM Z 2 4 5 1 8 5. 
          I SEE WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ONLINE. 
          ARE THEY ON? ALRIGHT, OUR ONLINE SPEAKER IS NOT ONLINE. 
          ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE? I DON'T SEE ANYONE. 
          MR. CHAIR, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? WE DO HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 4 5 180 5. 
          I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, FALSE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? JUST A BRIEF COMMENT. 
          UH, WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH STAFF ANALYSIS ON THIS ONE. 
          UH, IF YOU KNOW THE AREA A LITTLE BIT, THIS IS ON LAKE JUNE ROAD, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, OCCASIONALLY A HIGHWAY. 
          UH, BUT THIS, THIS HOME IS ACTUALLY ON A STREET OFF OF LAKE JUNE ROAD THAT, UH, HAS ITS OWN ACCESS STREET AND IT JUST, UH, ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          THIS IS NOT A CORNERED LOT WHERE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THOSE WE CONSIDER A LITTLE BIT MORE, HAVE A LITTLE MORE LEEWAY. 
          THIS IS NOT A, THIS IS NOT A CORNERED LOT. 
          AND SO I THINK THE ANALYSIS IS SPOT ON ON THIS ONE. 
          ANYONE ELSE WITH COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, SIGN. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE CHAIR, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          DO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. 
          THE MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          HOLD ON TO CASE NUMBER SIX. 
          [6. An application for a new planned development district on property zoned  an R-7.5(A) Single Family District and an IR Industrial Research District,  generally bounded by Bonnie View Road, Southerland Avenue, and  Arrow Road, south of the terminus of Dalview Avenue, and on the east  line of Arrow Road, north of Southerland Avenue.]
ITEM SIX IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH 2 86. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R SEVEN FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT. 
          AND IN I, OUR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT, GENERALLY BOUNDED BY BONNIE VIEW ROAD, SUTHERLAND AVENUE IN ARROW ROAD, SOUTH OF THE DETERMINANTS OF DW VIEW AVENUE AND ON THE EAST LINE OF ERO ROAD, NORTH OF SUTHERLAND AVENUE. 
          STATUS OF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND A CONCEPTUAL PLAN. 
          THANK YOU MR. BAT. 
          I SEE WE HAVE THE, UH, APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, MR. BALDWIN HERE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, ROB BALDWIN, 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET SUITE. 
          BE IN DALLAS. 
          AND, UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ASK FOR ONE MORE CONTINUANCE ON THIS, BUT I BELIEVE THIS WILL BE THE LAST ONE. 
          I'VE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH MR. BROWN AND THE CEDAR CREST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND ALSO WITH ROBERT MELO AND FORTUNE METALS, UM, 
          [03:15:01]
TO COME UP WITH FINAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS AND A CONCEPTUAL PLAN. 
          I THINK WE'RE THERE. 
          UM, WE HAVE ADJUSTED OUR, UH, CONCEPTUAL PLAN TO MOVE OUR HOMES AT LEAST 300 FEET AWAY FROM OUR NEIGHBOR, UH, FORTUNE METALS. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S IN, MIGHT BE IN YOUR DOCK, BUT YOU'LL DEFINITELY SEE IT AT OUR NEXT HEARING. 
          WE'RE WAITING ON FINAL, UH, PD LANGUAGE FROM THE NEIGHBORS, WHICH WE EXPECT IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO. 
          WE'LL INCORPORATE THAT ALONG WITH LANGUAGE THAT, UH, MR. MELOS WITH, UH, HAS ASKED US TO PUT IN THE PD. 
          WE'LL WRAP THAT ALL UP IN A BOW. 
          WE'LL GET TO THE NEIGHBORS FOR FINAL SIGN OFF, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE IT BEFORE YOUR AUGUST 7TH MEETING. 
          AND I HOPE YOU CAN GRANT US THE TIME TO FINALIZE THIS. 
          I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TESTING YOUR PATIENTS WITH IT, BUT I THINK WE'RE WE'RE, IT'S BEEN WORTHWHILE. 
          SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MR. BROWN, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK, UH, WHAT ROB JUST MENTIONED. 
          YES, WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY DILIGENT. 
          WE ARE ALMOST THERE. 
          AND WE SHOULD HAVE ALL OUR COMMENTS BACK FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THIS SATURDAY. 
          I WILL SEND THOSE OVER TO ROB. 
          GET 'EM INCORPORATED, LOOK AT THE FINAL, READY TO GO. 
          THANKS. 
          AND CAN YOU JUST PROVIDE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? SURE. 
          MY NAME IS MICHAEL PHILLIP BROWN. 
          MY ADDRESS IS 2 1 3 3 SUTTER STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 6. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? I DO. 
          I KNOW YOU DO. 
          , I GOT THIS, I GOT THIS ONE RIGHT THIS TIME. 
          HOW Y'ALL, THIS, THIS, THIS IS THE ONE , THIS IS THE ONE , UM, DOLORES MILES WILLIAMS. I'M AT 2228 SUTHERLAND AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 3. 
          AND UH, WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS, I, I UNDERSTAND THERE IS INFORMATION NOW, UH, BEING SPOKEN OF THAT I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT. 
          AND IN ALL HONESTY, LIKE WHERE THE CHAIR MR. TONY IS SITTING, UH, THIS GREEN PART WOULD BE SUTHERLAND, RIGHT WHERE I AM STANDING LITERALLY WOULD BE WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT IS SUPPOSED TO START. 
          UM, I DON'T WANNA SEEM LIKE A STICK IN THE MUD, BUT I LIVED DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE TAKING PLACE. 
          I HAD ASKED ABOUT WHERE, BECAUSE ONE OF THE MEETINGS THEY SAID, OH, IT'LL BE A OPENING. 
          SO THROUGH TEXT I HAD ASKED, HEY, WHERE WOULD THE OPENING BE? I WANTED TO KNOW IF IT WOULD BE AT MR. TONY'S AREA. 
          WOULD IT BE AT LIKE MR. FRANKLIN'S AREA? BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT AT LEAST 7.5 ACRES OF GREEN SPACE AND ABOUT FIVE OF IT IS FIVE ACRES IS KINDA TO, UM, WILDLIFE. 
          SO I WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT. 
          SO I JUST THINK THAT AT THIS POINT IT MAY BE A WASTE OF THE CPCS TIME TO CONTINUE THIS, ALTHOUGH IT'S GOING TO THE FOURTH ONE. 
          BUT IF IT DOES PASS, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MAYBE WHEN IT WOULD START AND THEN SOME CONTINGENCIES. 
          'CAUSE I HEARD SOME OTHER CASES WHERE THEY COULD SAY ABOUT THE LIGHTING AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT SINCE I LIVE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF MR. TONY, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THE, WHEN THE CARS COME, WILL THEY BE COMING RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY, UH, ADDRESS RIGHT HERE? MR. MICHAEL LIVES ON THE OTHER SIDE AND THE THE BUILDER, HE, ALTHOUGH HE'S DOWN THE STREET, HE IS IMPACTED BECAUSE OF THE, THE GREEN SPACE. 
          AND I GET THAT. 
          BUT I JUST WANTED TO JUST BE INFORMED A LITTLE BIT MORE JUST SO I WOULD KNOW. 
          SO I THANK Y'ALL FOR ANOTHER CONTINUANCE THAT'S GONNA COME UP BECAUSE IT LETS ME KNOW YOU ARE GENUINELY INTERESTED AND THAT WE CAN COLLABORATE AND COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I'LL GET YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED. 
          RIGHT? DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? CASE NUMBER SIX, MR. BALDMAN? I DON'T KNOW IF, OKAY, GREAT. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES. 
          CHAIRMAN IN THE, UH, MATTER OF CASE, UH, Z 2 3 4 DASH 2 86. 
          I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT, UH, UH, AND, UH, WE KEEP THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND, AND, AND HOLD THE CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL OUR FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST, AUGUST 7TH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, YOUR MOTION CHAIR SHOULD DID FOR YOUR SECOND ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE, ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. 
          THE MOTION CARRIES. 
          ALRIGHT, 
          [7. An application for an MF-2(A) Multifamily District on property zoned a CR  Community Retail District, on the east line of Southgate Lane, between  Elam Road and Marvel Drive.]
CASE NUMBER SEVEN, ANOTHER D FIVE CASE. 
          MR. CHAMBERS CASE SEVEN. 
          THAT IS KNOWN AS ITEM 25 DASH 2 25 7 
          [03:20:01]
A FOR AN APPLICATION FOR AN MF DASH TWO. 
          A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED A CA, COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE EAST LINE OF SOUTHGATE LANE BETWEEN ELAM ROAD AND MARVEL DRIVE LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE, UH, HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT AS OF NOW. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAMBERS. 
          MR. BALDWIN. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          ROB BALDWIN. 
          3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B. 
          SO THIS IS ANOTHER ONE S SP EIGHT 40 CASES. 
          UH, I'M REPRESENTING METROCARE, UH, YOU KNOW, DALLAS COUNTY, UH, UH, MENTAL HEALTH MENTAL RETARDATION GROUP. 
          THEY OWN THIS PROPERTY. 
          THE FRONT HALF OF IT HAS ONE OF THEIR CLINICS ON IT. 
          THE BACK HALF IS VACANT ZONE CR THEY WANT TO DO SOME, SOME HOUSING BACK THERE. 
          UM, ORIGINALLY WE THOUGHT WE WERE WANT SB EIGHT 40 PASSED THAT WE WOULD JUST WITHDRAW THIS CASE AND LET IT GO. 
          BUT THEN I STARTED THINKING I MIGHT BE OVERTHINKING THAT WE MAY HAVE TROUBLE GETTING FINANCING UNTIL THIS WHOLE SB EIGHT 40 GETS WORKED OUT. 
          SO I'VE ASKED THAT WE KEEP THIS CASE OPEN UNTIL, UH, WE KNOW MORE ABOUT SB EIGHT 40. 
          UM, IT'LL GIVE ME TIME TO HAVE A NE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. 
          SO IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE COMMISSION, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS HELD TILL THE FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? CASE NUMBER SEVEN. 
          ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 4 5, 1 90. 
          I'LL MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THE MATTER, UH, TO SEPTEMBER 4TH. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION SAYING NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          WAIT, SOMEONE HAVE A, OH, . 
          SORRY. 
          I DIDN'T MEAN TO CATCH YOU WITH YOUR MOUTH FULL. 
          YOU SAID SHE WOULD CATCH HIM IN SEPTEMBER. 
          OH, CATCH 'EM IN SEPTEMBER. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, WE HAVE A MOTION TO HOLD IT TILL SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2025. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? SO NAY. 
          THE MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL GO TO D UH, NUMBER EIGHT, BACK TO DISTRICT THREE. 
          [8. An application for a CS Commercial Service District on property zoned  MF-2(A) Multifamily District and R-7.5(A) Single Family District, on the  west side of South Ledbetter Drive, between Millar Drive and Crystal  Lake Boulevard.]
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS KZ 2 45 DASH 1 96. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT, AND R SEVEN TO 0.5. 
          A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE WEST SIDE OF SOUTH LED BETTER DRIVE BETWEEN MILLER DRIVE AND CRYSTAL LAKE BOULEVARD. 
          STATUS RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          NO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MY NAME IS RITA, 13 7 4 5 SUNDOWN TRAIL FARMERS BRANCH, TEXAS 7 5 2 3 4. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU TODAY ON BEHALF OF PRIME UTILITY CONSTRUCTION, REGARDING OUR REZONING FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3 6 2 4 SOUTH LEDBETTER ROAD. 
          UM, I DO WANT TO SINCERELY ACKNOWLEDGE A CONCERN RAISED AT AN EARLIER DISCUSSION, WHICH IS THE LAST TIME THAT WE CAME JUNE 26TH, I BELIEVE. 
          UM, BUT IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY OPERATED WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. 
          I DO WANNA BE CLEAR THAT THAT WAS NEVER OUR INTENTION AT THE TIME. 
          WE WERE UNAWARE THAT OUR OPERATIONS WERE IN VIOLATION OF ZONING REGULATIONS. 
          AND AS SOON AS IT WAS BROUGHT UP TO LIGHT, WE BEGAN TAKING EVERY STEP TO CORRECT THE ISSUE. 
          THAT IS WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY TO DO THE THINGS THE RIGHT WAY. 
          WE ARE COMMITTED TO LEGAL COMPLIANCE, TRANSPARENCY, AND LONG-TERM PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS. 
          WE RECOGNIZE THAT BEING PART OF THE COMMUNITY MEANS HOLDING OURSELVES TO A HIGH STANDARD, AND WE EMBRACE THAT RESPONSIBILITY. 
          UM, WE ALSO KNOW WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES WHO MAY HAVE BEEN UNAWARE OF THE NECESSARY ZONING OR PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS BY MAKING THIS CORRECTION PUBLICLY AND THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS, WE HOPE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT IT'S NOT ONLY POSSIBLE TO OPERATE LEGALLY, BUT IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 
          UM, OUR PROPOSAL IS ALIGNED WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT TRENDS AND WOULD BRING SEVERAL BENEFITS TO THE AREA THAT WOULD BE INCLUDING CREATING LOCAL JOBS SUPPORT, UH, FOR SKILLED TRADES, POTENTIAL INCREASE IN TAX REVENUE AND RESPONSIBLE LAND USE, AND THOUGHTFUL, THOUGHTFUL SITE PLANNING THAT ALSO COMPLIMENTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, I ALSO DO WANT TO BRING UP THAT VOLUNTEER DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT WE DID SPEAK ABOUT THE LAST TIME. 
          UM, THE LIMIT USES FOR THAT COMMERCIAL SERVICES, 
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THE FENCE OVER EIGHT FOOT AROUND THE PROPERTY, AND MAINTAINING LANDSCAPE ALONG THE PROPERTY LINES. 
          UM, ALL MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES WILL BE DONE INDOORS AND NORTH STOR. 
          NO STORAGE WILL BE VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. 
          ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          NO OTHER SPEAKERS. 
          COMMISSIONER HARBERT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION BEFORE WE GET THE DISCUSSION? I DO. 
          IN THE CASE OF Z 2 4 5 1 96, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FILE A STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HARBERT FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER HARBERT FIRST. 
          SO, UM, THE REASON I DENIED THE APPLICATION TODAY WAS, UH, BASED ON ITS INCOMPATIBILITY WITH ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USES AND ITS DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THE ENVIRONMENT BEEN NO JUSTICE GOES OUTLINED IN FOR DALLAS. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT SEEKS HIS OWN DESIGNATION THAT WILL LEGITIMIZE THE INTENSITY TO LEGITIMIZE AND INTENSIFY HEAVY INDUSTRIAL OPERATIONS NEXT TO THE HOMES. 
          UM, MY RECENT SITE VISIT CONFIRMED THE SEVERITY OF THOSE BURDENS. 
          UM, HIGH WEEDS LOITERING, LOUD MUSIC, DETERIORATED FENCES. 
          UM, LATE FRIDAY NIGHT WAS QUITE, UM, A REMARKABLE SITE FOR ME TO SEE, UM, HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC GENERATING DUST AND GRAVEL ALL WITHIN FEET OF FAMILY HOMES. 
          THESE CONDITIONS ARE NOT ISOLATED INCIDENTS. 
          THEY ARE PRECEDENT, UNADDRESSED, AND SYMMATIC OF A USE THAT DOES NOT BELONG IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL LIVING. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS MADE NO EFFORT TO IMPROVE THESE CONDITIONS SINCE FOLLOWING, WHICH HAS, WHICH SIGNALS A LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND THE DISREGARD OF BOTH THE ZONING PROCESS AND THE WELLBEING OF NEARBY RESIDENCES. 
          APPROVING THIS REQUEST WOULD NOT ONLY VIOLATE THE INTENT OF FLORIDA DALLAS, IT WOULD PRE PERPETUATE ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICE BY ALLOWING COMPATIBLE AND HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS TO REMAIN ON THIS SITE. 
          UM, IT SHOULD REMAIN MULTIFAMILY AND OR SINGLE FAMILY, UM, AND NOT BE TURNED INTO COMMERCIAL. 
          SO, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT. 
          STRAIGHT DENIAL OR DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE? WITHOUT, WITHOUT PREJUDICE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, IT'S, UH, I SEE SOME CONFUSED FACE. 
          SO LEMME REPEAT. 
          THE, THE MOTION IS, UH, TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL, BUT WITHOUT PREJUDICE MADE BY COMMISSIONER HERBERT. 
          SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          COMMENTS, DISCUSSION, OR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, RECOMMENDATION TO BE WITHOUT PRE, TO BE WITHOUT PREJUDICE. 
          'CAUSE THAT WOULD SEEM TO INDICATE THAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE UNDERLYING ZONING IS CORRECT RIGHT NOW. 
          AND FROM YOUR COMMENTS, I'M THINKING THAT YOU THINK THAT THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING IS APPROPRIATE. 
          YES. 
          MY PURPOSE FOR SAYING, UM, WITHOUT PREJUDICE WAS HOPES THAT THEY WOULD CHANGE THEIR ASPECTS OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THE PROPERTY WITHIN TWO YEARS. 
          I, UH, I'LL JUST, I'LL FOLLOW UP RIGHT THERE. 
          IT'S, UM, SOMETIMES WE DO GET THAT MEANING FROM A DENIAL OF THAT PREJUDICE, BUT THERE'S ALSO AN ANOTHER LITTLE CAVEAT THAT I ALSO GET, WHICH IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DENY APPLICATION WITHOUT PREJUDICE, SOMETIMES THEY GET PART OF THAT FEEDBACK. 
          UH, SO THAT'S OCCASIONALLY WHY I SUPPORT THAT WITHOUT PREJUDICE. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER. 
          SO HAS IT CHANGED THAT IF IT'S NOT WITHOUT PREJUDICE THAT THEY CAN COME BACK RIGHT AWAY? SO THAT'S CORRECT. 
          BUT IF IT'S WITH PREJUDICE IN TWO YEARS, THEY CAN COME BACK WITH THE SAME APPLICATION. 
          CORRECT. 
          OR ANY APPLICATION. 
          BUT, BUT WITHOUT PREJUDICE, THEY CAN COME BACK WITH PRO, UM, THEY CAN COME BACK RIGHT AWAY WITH MAYBE A LESS INTENSE USE. 
          THEY COULD COME BACK WITH ANYTHING. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW AGAIN, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT'S THEORETICAL. 
          UM, I, MOST OF THE TIME THEY DON'T, THEY JUST DON'T COME BACK. 
          RIGHT? NO, NOBODY WANTS TO COME PAYING, GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          SO MINE TO GIVE THEM TWO YEARS TO CONSIDER WHATEVER THEIR CASE MAY BE. 
          AND THAT MEANS, UH, WITH PREJUDICE, YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PREJUDICE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE DO HAVE A, A STRAIGHT DENIAL MADE BY COMMISSIONER HERBERT. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH THE SECOND, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          DISCUSSION? YEAH. 
          MR. RUBIN, I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE, WITH PREJUDICE HERE, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH I DON'T THINK THE PROPOSED, YOU KNOW, LAND USE IN THE APPLICATION OR THE ZONING CHANGES IN THE APPLICATION 
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IS CORRECT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER LAND USE CATEGORIES THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY BE WORTH DISCUSSION HERE BESIDES THE MF TWO AND THE R 75, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU SEE REQUESTS FOR R FIVE IN THESE AREAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO I DON'T WANT TO STAND IN THE WAY OF, OF THEIR POTENTIALLY BEING OTHER, YOU KNOW, MORE BENEFICIAL USES OF THIS LAND THAT MAY, YOU KNOW, COME IN, IN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS IF, IF WE ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING, UM, YOU KNOW, ZONING TO MOVE FORWARD THAT THAT PERMITS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TRUCK TRUCK STORAGE. 
          SO I, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD DENY THIS WITHOUT PREJUDICE. 
          COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION. 
          WE CAN ALWAYS WAIVE THE TWO YEAR LIMITATION IF SOMEBODY HAS SOMETHING COMPELLING, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THIS APPLICANT THAT STRIKES ME AS, UM, SOMEONE THAT DESERVES TO COME BACK IN TWO YEARS WITH SOMETHING NEW ON THIS PIECE OF LAND. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER? YES, COMMISSIONER DOKI? I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, I, I HEARD COMMISSIONER HERBERT TALK ABOUT HIS VISIT. 
          LIKE, WHAT'S, WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE? BECAUSE I, I HEARD YOU SPEAK AND I, I BELIEVE YOU, AND YOU WERE LIKE, WE'RE TRYING NOT TO MAKE ALL THESE STEPS, BUT WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT? LIKE, WHAT'S THE EXPLANATION? I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU WERE GONNA GO OUT THERE OR THAT ANYTHING LIKE THAT WAS HAPPENING. 
          UM, I ACTUALLY WENT OUT THERE A WEEK AGO AND THEY WERE CLEANING STUFF UP. 
          I KNOW THAT, UM, MARIA, THE ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY ALSO WENT OUT THERE IN JUNE AND THEY WERE DOING THE STORM WATER PREVENTION STUFF. 
          SO WE WERE APPLYING FOR THAT TOO. 
          SHE WAS TELLING US THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO MOVE. 
          SO WE HAD THE GUYS OUT THERE DOING THAT. 
          I WAS NOT AWARE OF LIKE, ANY LOUD MUSIC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OR THINGS THAT THEY HAD OUT THERE. 
          SO THIS WHOLE PROCESS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR SOME TIME, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          OH, OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          UH, LET'S, I THINK WE'RE STILL FIRST ROUND. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          MA'AM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT WE RECEIVE MULTIPLE EMAILS FROM RESIDENTS OF THE MOBILE HOME PARK NEXT DOOR COMPLAINING ABOUT THE LATE NIGHT ACTIVITY, THE MUSIC, THE CAVALIER DISREGARD FOR THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR PEACE AND COMFORT, THE DILAPIDATED FENCE, THE HIGH WEEDS, THE DOGS ESCAPING FROM THAT PROPERTY AND ATTACKING THEIR ANIMALS. 
          UM, YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY OF THAT? WELL, THERE'S NO ANIMALS IN THAT LOCATION. 
          UM, THE ONLY THING THAT THEY HAVE IS JUST PARKING WHENEVER THEY GO OUT THERE. 
          I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE NOT ON SITE, YOU DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE HAVE ANIMALS THERE OR NOT? UH, ANYTIME THAT I'VE GONE, LIKE, I GO AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY ANIMALS OUT THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT YOU WEREN'T OUT THERE ON FRIDAY NIGHT WHEN COMMISSIONER HERBERT WAS THERE TO NO, MA'AM. 
          TO SEE THEM. 
          I'M OUT THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER, WERE YOU AT, UM, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU COULD HELP? BECAUSE, UM, I KNOW THE MAJORITY, I MEAN, MY NEIGHBORHOOD, EVERY BUSINESS OWNER THAT WAS CLOSED STILL HAD THAT ACTIVITY BECAUSE IT WAS THE 4TH OF JULY AND PEOPLE JUST PULLED UP AND, AND DID THAT. 
          IT PRETTY MUCH EVERY WORD THERE WAS OPEN PILL. 
          PEOPLE WERE PULLING UP. 
          UM, IS THERE ANY WAY TO KNOW, DID YOU GO OUT THERE SOMETIME THIS WEEK TO SEE IF THAT CLEANUP WAS HAPPENING FROM POPULAR? I MEAN, UH, POSSIBLY, UH, FIREWORKS? 'CAUSE FRIDAY WAS 4TH OF JULY, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IS THIS THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU ALL HAVE HAD ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT PEOPLE HANGING, UH, ON YOUR PROPERTY, WHETHER VOLUNTARILY OR, UM, WITH THE AUTHORIZED OR UNAUTHORIZED? NO MA'AM. 
          UH, ANYONE ELSE? SECOND ROUND LAST YEAR, RUBEN, IT, IT, IT MAKES ME DEEPLY UNCOMFORTABLE TO USE DENIAL WITH PREJUDICE OR WITHOUT PREJUDICE TO, I THINK, PUNISH AN APPLICANT THAT, THAT WE VIEW THAT SOME OF US MAY VIEW AS A BAD ACTOR. 
          UM, I REALLY THINK IT SHOULD BE ABOUT, SOLELY ABOUT A, A LAND USE EVALUATION OF WHETHER THE EXISTING ZONING ON THE PROPERTY IS THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS, OR, YOU KNOW, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER ZONING APPLICATION COULD MAKE SENSE, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT A TWO YEAR WAIT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE LOOSENED THE WAIVER STANDARDS, BUT STILL, UM, I, I JUST AM NOT COMFORTABLE DENYING THIS WITHOUT PREJUDICE. 
          SO, UH, COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT, DID THAT SEE YOUR HAND UP, SIR? 
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I, I JUST, UH, MY QUESTION WAS TO STAFF THAT, UH, THE CURRENT USE ON THIS PROPERTY IS, IS NONCONFORMING, IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S ILLEGAL. 
          IT IS NONCONFORMING. 
          THE CURRENT USE CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW AT THE SITE IS NONCONFORMING SINCE THE, UH, ZONING IS MF TWO AND R 7 5 8. 
          ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SURE. 
          QUICK, DO YOU ALL CURRENTLY HAVE A ATE OCCUPANCY THOUGH? NO, MA'AM. 
          WE DIDN'T KNOW WE NEEDED ONE. 
          AND DO WE WERE WORKING ON GETTING THAT Y'ALL HAVE NEVER HAD A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY? NO, MA'AM. 
          HUH? OKAY. 
          NO, AS SOON AS, UM, WE WERE TOLD ABOUT ALL OF THAT, THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED. 
          AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN OPERATING THERE? I'M SORRY? HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN OPERATING THERE? UH, SINCE ABOUT 2010. 
          HUH? AND NEVER. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          NO, MA'AM. 
          WE NEVER HAD ANYBODY TELL US OTHERWISE AND WE DIDN'T KNOW. 
          QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? OKAY. 
          WE HAVE, UH, A MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER HERBERT SECOND, BUT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? UNANIMOUS. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS? UH, YES. 
          STRAIGHT DENIAL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          HAVE A QUICK BREAK, UH, REQUEST COMMISSIONERS AT 2 27. 
          LET'S GO. 
          LET'S JUST TAKE A QUICK FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND COME BACK. 
          2, 2 27 5 MINUTE BREAK. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          2 32. 
          UH, WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD. 
          ARE WE RECORDING? JORGE? WE ARE RECORDING. 
          UH, WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD. 
          AND MOVING ON TO CASE NUMBER NINE. 
          [9. An application for 1) an MF-1(A) Multifamily District and 2) an CH  Clustered Housing District on property zoned R-7.5(A) Single Family  District with consideration for a WMU-5 Walkable Urban Mixed-Use  District and a WR-5 Walkable Residential District, on the west side of  South Lancaster Road, on the south line of the north couplet of East  Wheatland Road and extending south of the south line of the south  couplet of East Wheatland Road.]
ITEM NUMBER NINE IS KZ 2 45 DASH 55. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR ONE, AN MF ONE, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT, AND TWO, AN CH CLOSER HOUSING DISTRICT AND PROPERTY ZONED R SEVEN 50. 
          A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT WITH CONSIDERATION FOR A WMU FIVE WALKABLE URBAN MIX USE DISTRICT. 
          AND A WR FIVE WALKABLE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT ON THE WEST SIDE OF SOUTH LANCASTER ROAD ON THE SOUTH LINE OF THE NORTH COPELAND OF EAST WHEATLAND ROAD AND EXTENDING SOUTH OF THE SOUTH LINE OF THE SOUTH COPELAND OF EAST WHEATLAND ROAD. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF A WMU FIVE WALKABLE MIX USED ALONG THE STREET QUARTERS AND WR FIVE ADJACENT TO EXISTING RESIDENTIAL ZONING IN LIEU OF AN MF ONE, A MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT, AND A CH ED HOUSING DISTRICT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WE'RE READY FOR OUR SPEAKERS. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. KHAM. 
          I THINK THE MIC IS OFF. 
          OH, DALLAS CATHERINE THIRTY THREE THIRTY THREE WELLBORN, UH, DALLAS, TEXAS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I PROBABLY TALK AND CERTAINLY RIGHT ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME, DALLAS HAS A HOUSING SHORTAGE, PARTICULARLY FOR PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE AND FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS. 
          LAST YEAR, I'M MAYBE IN THREE WEEKS. 
          THIS WILL COME OUT LAST YEAR IS THE, THE LOWEST NUMBER OF FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS IN THE UNITED STATES HISTORY. 
          11% IS ALL. 
          UM, AND THERE ARE NO HOMES HARDLY FOR PEOPLE TO BUY. 
          AND I HEAR MY YOUNG PEOPLE AT THE OFFICE BEMOANING THIS. 
          IT'S MAYBE THEIR MOST FREQUENT THING THEY TALK ABOUT IS HOW ARE WE GONNA BUY A HOME? WHERE ARE WE GONNA BUY A HOME? YOU KNOW, WE BROUGHT TO YOU HERE A PROJECT THAT WE HAD GOOD COMMUNITY MEETINGS WHERE WE HAVE MULTIFAMILY WITH A SMALL AMOUNT OF MARKET RATE, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR 90% OF IT. 
          THOSE RATES THAT ARE NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MARKET RATE'S 1600 AND THE AFFORDABILITY PARTS 1300. 
          I LOOKED ON THE UNT WEBSITE. 
          AND THESE JOBS WOULD QUALIFY. 
          UH, FACILITY PROJECT COORDINATOR FOR MATH FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, POLITICAL SCIENCE, LESTER, UH, LECTURER, CUSTODIAN RISK COORDINATOR, INTERVENTION AND SUPPORT SERVICES COUNSELOR AND TRANSFER STUDENT COUNSELOR. 
          THOSE ARE ALL QUALIFY WHEN I GOT MY FIRST JOB AFTER FINISHING A PHD AT TCU, THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS SYSTEM SUBSIDIZED MY LIVING. 
          AND I LIVED IN CAMPUS HOUSING RIGHT THERE ON UT TYLER'S CAMPUS. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU IN 1996, I MEAN, I DIDN'T MAKE A LOT OF MONEY. 
          I WAS GRATEFUL TO TEACH SUMMER SCHOOL, MAN. 
          IT WAS GREAT. 
          UH, SO, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO DOING A FOR SALE PRODUCT OF TOWN HOMES THAT WILL BE SLIGHTLY LESS THAN $300,000 SO THAT, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE MARKET RATE AND THE FOR 
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SALE PRODUCT OF THE UNITS, ABOUT A THIRD OF THEM ARE MARKET RATE AND FIT EXACTLY WHAT WE ALL SAY WE'RE NOT MEETING. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO NOT HAVE A LOT OF MARKET RATE PROJECTS RIGHT NOW ANYWHERE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          THAT'S A FINANCIAL SITUATION. 
          WE GO IN THESE CYCLES WHERE WE HAVE A BUNCH OF AFFORDABLE ONES, THEN WE HAVE A BUNCH OF MARKET ONES. 
          WE'VE HAD A CYCLE WHERE WE DID A LOT OF STUDENT HOUSING. 
          IMPORTANTLY, WE DO NOT THREATEN UNT THE UNIVERSITY'S HOUSING SITUATION BECAUSE WE CANNOT RENT TO UNDERGRADUATES. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE A JOB TO QUALIFY UNDER THE LITECH THING. 
          SO WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE UNT PLAN. 
          WE ARE NOT INTERRUPTING THE HOUSING THAT UNT WOULD WANT TO DO. 
          AND I WOULD ABSOLUTELY AGREE AND TALK TO COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN ABOUT FROM WHEN I STARTED AT UT TYLER TO WHERE IT IS NOW. 
          HAVING A RESIDENTIAL CAMPUS WITH LOTS OF STUDENTS ON IT IS GREAT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND GREAT FOR EDUCATION. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA GET TO THAT TIPPING POINT AT SOME POINT. 
          THEY'RE ADDING PROGRAMS AND SPORTS. 
          THAT'S WHY OUR CLIENT WANTS TO BE THERE. 
          THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT. 
          I REALLY BELIEVE IN IT. 
          IT CAN'T BE SINGLE FAMILY. 
          THERE'S TOO MUCH SLOPE ACROSS THE SITE TO DEVELOP IT. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE AFTERSCHOOL TUTORING. 
          THAT'S YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE, IF YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MAYBE 30 MORE SECONDS WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO YOU. 
          WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO FINE. 
          YEAH. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT SPEAKER PLEASE. 
          CARL CROWLEY ALMOST WENT WITH A OLD ADDRESS. 
           33 33 WILBURN. 
          IT'S GONNA TAKE TROUBLE IS WE'RE ONLY GONNA BE THERE 12 MONTHS AND WE'LL HAVE TO REMEMBER SOMETHING NEW. 
          UM, CAN I, UH, FIGURE OUT THIS PRESENTATION? I GOT JUST TWO SLIDES, I THINK. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          HE'S ON HIS WAY. 
          I'M OLD. 
          I'M IT CHALLENGED. 
          I COULD BE YOUNG AND IT CHALLENGED, BUT I'M OLD. 
          AND IT CHALLENGED, UM, TO SORT OF REITERATE, UM, WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS TWO SIDES OF, OF, OF THE NEW WHEATLAND ROAD, I'LL CALL IT. 
          'CAUSE IT'S BEEN NEWLY PAVED. 
          UH, THE NORTH SIDE IS A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT WITH 336 UNITS, THREE STORE UNITS. 
          UH, THE, THE SOUTHERN HALF, UM, IS A TOWNHOUSE TYPE PROJECT. 
          WE'VE ASKED FOR CLUSTERED HOUSING. 
          CLUSTERED HOUSING GIVES YOU THE, THE, UH, SOME FLEXIBILITY OF DESIGN. 
          UM, ALSO THEN IT, IT ALLOWS MULTIFAMILY, BUT IT'S SUCH A LOW DENSITY AND, AND, AND REQUIREMENTS ON DESIGN THAT YOU REALLY CAN'T BUILD A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT. 
          NOPE. 
          THE OTHER PRESENTATION, SORRY, THAT'S NUMBER 10. 
          WE'RE ON NUMBER NINE. 
          UM, IT SHOULD BE THE, UH, THAT'S, THAT SHOULD BE IT. 
          THAT, YEAH, THAT'S IT. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          UM, AS DALLAS WAS GONNA MENTION TO YOU, UM, THE, THE, THE MULTIFAMILY PROJECT HAS A LOT OF AMENITIES BASED TO IT AND A LOT OF SOCIAL SERVICES THAT THAT, THAT THE DEVELOPER PROVIDES. 
          UM, AFTER SCHOOL TUTORING, THINGS OF THAT NATURE HAS A BUSINESS CENTER. 
          UM, YOU ALSO MENTIONED, AND ON YOUR SCREEN THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, THE DELTA BETWEEN, UM, AFFORDABLE AND MARKET RATE IS REALLY NOT THAT LARGE IN THIS SCENARIO. 
          AND HE MENTIONED, UH, THE NUMBER OF, UH, OF PEOPLE THAT HERE'S A SITE PLAN SHOWING THAT THE IDEA ON THE, UH, SOUTHERN HALF AGAIN IS A FIRST. 
          WE WOULD ENTER INTO, UM, SOME FIRST TIME HOME BUYER ASSISTANCE, SOME DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE AND WORK WITH, UH, DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT OFFER THAT TO, TO OFFER AT FIRST TIME HOME BUYER TYPE SITUATION. 
          UM, AND DALLAS MENTIONED THAT, UH, WE, WE HAVE A 10%. 
          WE WE'RE WORKING WITH COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN AND WE'VE AGREED TO A 10% MARKET RATE, MUCH LESS. 
          I LIKE THE, I GUESS THE TWO OR THREE CASES AGO WHERE THEY OFFERED A MARKET RATE, UH, PROVISION IN THERE. 
          SO, UM, I, I THINK WE, WE DID HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. 
          UM, WE, UM, SHOWED THE SITE PLANS, UH, BOTH SIDES TO THE NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, COMMITTED TO A THREE STORY, UM, SITUATION. 
          THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A WALKABLE MIXED USE. 
          UM, IF YOU'D SEE THE TOPO OUT THERE, WE DROP, UH, WE GO UP OR DOWN 20 FEET RIGHT OFF THE BACK OF THE CURB FOR IT IS GOT A LOT OF TOPO. 
          SO THAT FORCING THE, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE STREET IS JUST VERY DIFFICULT, IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THE CURVE THERE ON WHEATLAND ROAD, THAT MAKES IT A LOT MORE DIFFICULT. 
          AND, UM, WE DID NOT, WE, WE TOLD THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHAT WE WANTED, MF AND CH WE DIDN'T WANT ANY, UM, RETAIL COMPONENT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          THE RETAIL REALLY WANTS TO BE UP ON LANCASTER ROAD AND HAS LOTS OF RETAIL ZONING UP THERE. 
          WE ARE SURROUNDED BY MF THREE ZONING AND THE ALWAYS POPULAR URBAN CORRIDOR. 
          TWO ZONING. 
          I BELIEVE THERE'S ONLY PROBABLY TWO OF THOSE DISTRICTS IN THE WHOLE CITY 
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AND WE HAVE ONE ADJACENT TO US. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE A LOT OF DENSITY REST, UH, NEAR US. 
          WHY IT WAS ZONED R SEVEN FIVE. 
          IT DOES NOT FIT. 
          MAP CUTENESS IS NOT VERY CUTE IN THIS SCENARIO. 
          SO SHE'S GONNA TELL ME MY TIME'S UP. 
          I CAN TELL . 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN WE REGISTER SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. 
          SO PER OUR NEW RULES, WE'LL GET OUR, OUR MOTION AND THEN WE'LL GET TO OUR, UH, QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER FRANK, STICK TO IT IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 45 DASH 1 55. 
          I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DENY THE ZONING CHANGE WITHOUT PREJUDICE. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND DISCUSSION QUESTIONS. 
          YOU HAVE A QUESTION PLEASE? UM, I WANNA SUPPORT HALF OF IT AND NOT SUPPORT THE OTHER HALF, UM, FOR SALE. 
          BUT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE LOCK PORTION BECAUSE WE HAVE TOO MUCH IN THE AREA. 
          THERE'S TOO MUCH LOCK IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, IS THAT A QUESTION? UM, SO I, ON THE CLUSTER HOUSING, UM, I THINK I, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT'S BEING BUILT. 
          IT IS THAT THIS AREA IS SATURATED WITH LOT TECH PROJECTS. 
          UM, MOST OF THIS PART OF, UM, THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN THAT AREA HAS A LOT TECH COMPONENT. 
          I, THE APARTMENTS IS NOT THE ISSUE. 
          NEITHER IS THE CONCEPT FOR HAVING SOME A MIXTURE OF RENTAL AND AND FOR SALE. 
          IT IS THE LOCK TECH COMPONENT THAT I DO HAVE A ISSUE WITH. 
          UM, WELL I SEE YOUR POINT. 
          NOT HAVING ENOUGH MARKET RATE APARTMENTS, UM, SO THAT IT CAN BE A COMBINATION OF HOUSING. 
          BECAUSE WHAT WE DO KNOW IS WHERE THERE'S A SATURATION ON LIVE TECH, WE'VE BEEN HAD, UM, THERE IS, UM, WELL, I KNOW ONE MIX INCOME, YOU KNOW, THE STATISTICALLY THE DISTRICT THAT HAS THE MOST IS FAR NORTH DALLAS AND COMMISSIONER'S HOUSE, RIGHT? IS HAS, LAKE COLLINS HAS THE SECOND MOST. 
          SO, UM, I, I KNOW THERE'VE BEEN A NUMBER IN THIS AREA THAT HAVE HAPPENED RECENTLY. 
          I'D ARGUE EVERY PART OF THE CITY NEEDS LITECH DEALS BECAUSE TEACHERS, NURSES, AND THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN OUR COMMUNITIES CAN NO LONGER LIVE IN THEM. 
          AND LIKE IN THIS INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE PROVI WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING UTILITY ASSISTANCE OF 50 TO A HUNDRED DOLLARS DEPENDING ON WHICH, WHAT SIZE UNIT YOU'RE IN. 
          SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER EXAMPLE I THINK OF SOMEWHERE ELSE, IT SHOULD ALWAYS GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          AND, UM, THESE ARE WHERE THE SITES ARE. 
          THIS SITE'S UNDEVELOPED 'CAUSE IT'S GOT SO MUCH FALL ON IT. 
          IT'S HARD. 
          WE CAN ONLY DO THE FOR SALE PRODUCT BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THE APARTMENTS AT THE SAME TIME. 
          WE'RE ABLE TO SPREAD THE COST OF THE GRADING OUT BY DOING BOTH OF THOSE AND OFFER THOSE IN THE FIRST TIME. 
          HOME BUYER ASSISTANCE BECAUSE IT'S DONE COLLECTIVELY. 
          THE TWO PROJECTS DON'T WORK. 
          NOPE. 
          WE COULDN'T DO JUST A TOWN HOME OR A CLUSTERED HOUSING DEAL. 
          THEY HAVE TO BE DONE. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME ECONOMIES OF SCALE. 
          SO WHAT'S THE A MI THAT YOU ALL WILL BE? WHAT IS THE, THE, UH, 30 TO 70? YEAH, 30. 
          30 TO 60 IS THE, UM, IS THE, UH, I GUESS THE GAP INCOME BAND INCOME LEVELS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND, AND SO THAT'S MORE OF A LOWER INCOME THAN A AFFORDABLE HOUSING BASE FOR WORKING CLASS. 
          UM, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NURSES AND TEACHERS AND THOSE, THAT A MI IS HIGHER WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LAW TECH I'M TALKING ABOUT IS ONE THAT IS IN THAT AREA, WHICH IS THAT 30%, WHICH IS THAT, UM, 40. 
          AND WE'RE GETTING A BUNCH OF THAT. 
          AND, AND, AND I, I CAN'T TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT GOES ON AT FAR NORTH DALLAS, BUT I COULD TELL YOU THAT THE LOT TECH IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, UM, WE'RE SATURATED WITH IT, WHICH INCREASES, UH, WE NEED THAT SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          SO THAT A MI IS TOO LOW FOR THIS AREA. 
          UM, WE NEED A, WE NEED A MIXED INCOME HOUSING THAT BRINGS IN A MIXTURE OF THAT. 
          I DON'T CARE HOW PRETTY YOU MAKE A NEW SET OF APARTMENTS WITH THAT LOW OF A A MI 10 YEARS FROM NOW, IT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM SET OF APARTMENTS. 
          I DON'T, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE, WE CERTAINLY WORKED ON THINGS FOR SOUTHWEST HOUSING THAT, THAT ARE NOW WHAT, 30 YEARS OLD, THAT ARE GOOD APARTMENTS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, SUBSIDIZED THEN THAT REMAIN GOOD APARTMENTS. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT SPREAD IN THE INCOME, UH, IT'S NOT VERY LARGE, WHICH 
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IT TO ME INDICATES THAT WE'RE HITTING WHAT THE, WHAT, WHAT THE INCOMES ARE IN THIS MICRO MARKET. 
          I MEAN, WE, I I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT, THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A TOTAL ALL MARKET RATE DEAL HERE. 
          IF YOU DID, IF YOU WOULD, THEY'D JUST GO AND BUILD ON THE UC OR THE M MF THREE THAT ARE NEXT DOOR THAT HAVE LESS TOPO. 
          SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NUMBERS ON, YOU KNOW, 30,000 UNITS. 
          DALLAS HAS A HOUSING SHORTAGE. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS IT. 
          WE'RE ALSO AT THE SAME TIME, SUCCESSFULLY ABLE TO ADDRESS THE FIRST TIME BUYER SHORTAGE. 
          IT, THIS IS THE SAME PROBLEM, WHICH KIND OF GOES TO WHERE THE STATE ENDED UP, WHERE YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT IT, IT, IT JUST, IT'S EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD WE WORK IN ALL SAY THE, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF I'M IN TIPS DISTRICT OR ANOTHER ONE. 
          EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD FEELS LIKE THEY HAVE THE MOST THEY, AND I KNOW THEY FEEL THAT 'CAUSE PEOPLE LIVE WHERE THEY LIVE STATISTICALLY, THE NA THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, I GUESS THAT'S THIS SUNDAY I HAVE AN ARTICLE, THE AREA THAT HAS THE HIGHEST INCIDENTS OF MULTIFAMILY PER CAPITA IN NORTH TEXAS IS UNIVERSITY PARK. 
          NOW THAT PROBABLY WOULD SURPRISE PEOPLE. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT PEOPLE THERE THINK IT HAS THE MOST OR TOO MANY PEOPLE JUST DON'T LIKE APARTMENTS, PARTICULARLY PEOPLE THAT OWN HOMES ALREADY. 
          BUT WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO LIVE WHERE THEY WORK AND BEING ABLE TO BUY THINGS. 
          WE'VE JUST TRIED TO ADDRESS IT HERE AT A HARD SITE TO DEVELOP. 
          SO IF WE COULD HAVE DONE A MARKET RATE OR MADE IT HIGHER, WE WOULD'VE, IT'S JUST, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY, BUT I WANT TO GET IN THERE FIRST. 
          I'M GONNA SAY, SORRY, I'M GONNA HAVE TO JUMP IN THERE. 
          MR. CROWLEY, Y'ALL ARE MR. CROWLEY Y ARE LAND USE. 
          WE ARE LAND USE. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO IF I'D COME TO YOU AND SAID, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BE MARKET RATE OR LITECH OR BOND. 
          THAT'S WHAT MR. CROWLEY, LET ME JUST STOP YOU ONE SECOND. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          SO LET ME JUST REMIND THE BODY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, LITECH IS A FINANCING MECHANISM. 
          WE DON'T GET INTO FINANCING MECHANISM. 
          WE, WE GET INTO THE LAND USE. 
          NOW WE ALL KNOW WHAT THESE CASES ARE AND HOW THEY WORK. 
          UH, BUT FOR THIS DISCUSSION, UH, I WOULD APPRECIATE IF WE JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, STAY IN THE LANE, UH, THE LAND USE LANE AND HOW A PROJECT GETS FINANCED, THEN YOU KNOW, THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE. 
          IN FACT, THAT'S SOMETHING COUNCIL CAN TAKE UP AND THEY DO. 
          UH, BUT FOR US, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO KIND OF, UM, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, IGNORE WHAT WE, WE SEE SOMETIMES THERE. 
          SO I WOULD APPRECIATE IF WE JUST KEEP OUR DISCUSSION ON THE LAND USE. 
          UH, ALTHOUGH IT'S VERY HARD. 
          I KNOW SOMETIMES. 
          UM, OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          SO WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE STATUTE OF REPOSE. 
          PARDON ME? SO WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE STATUTE OF REPOSE YOU SAYING? I SAID WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE STATUTE OF REPOSE. 
          ARE WE GOING TO LAW SCHOOL HERE? ? WE CAN, IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT FIRST. 
           UH, COMMISSIONER DOKI. 
          HI. 
          SO, UM, I'M SITTING ON THIS END, WHICH MEANS I'M PRETTY NEW. 
          SO THIS IS MY THIRD SESSION, SO MAYBE IF YOU CAN SORRY, . 
          THANKS. 
          DUMB IT DOWN FOR ME A LITTLE BIT. 
          WHAT'S YOUR, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN WHAT YOU PROPOSED AND WHAT THE CITY'S RECOMMENDED? WHAT'S YOUR MAIN ISSUE? UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY THE, THE DESIGN OF A, OF THE, THE WALKABLE MIXED USE. 
          I GUESS THERE'S TWO THINGS. 
          ONE, UM, IT ALLOWS FIVE STORIES IN HEIGHT. 
          AND WE PROMISED THE NEIGHBORHOOD THREE STORIES. 
          SO THAT WAS SORT OF GO AGAINST, YOU KNOW, THAT. 
          BUT, BUT WE'RE STILL ONLY GONNA BUILD THREE STORIES. 
          BUT, BUT THAT'S, I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE AGAINST THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT'S LIKE YOU'VE GOT FIVE STORIES APPROVED. 
          UM, THE OTHER ISSUE IS, UM, AND I THINK IT CAME UP IN THE BRIEFING THIS MORNING ON SOME OTHER CASES ABOUT, UM, AND I THINK, UM, MICHAEL TALKED ABOUT HOW YOU'VE GOT A A, A MINIMUM AND A MAXIMUM SETBACK AND A PERCENTAGE THAT HAS TO BE IN THERE. 
          AND IF YOU'LL SEE, UH, I THINK MY DESIGN WENT AWAY, BUT MY SITE PLAN WENT AWAY. 
          I'VE GOT A CURVE ON THAT ROAD. 
          AND ACTUALLY THE TOPO ON THAT PART OF WHEATLAND, A PORTION OF IT FROM BACK A CURB GOES UP ABOUT 15 FEET. 
          AND IF YOU GO AROUND THE CORNER, IT GOES DOWN 15 FEET. 
          UM, SO I REALLY CAN'T FORCE MY DESIGN UP TO THE FRONT. 
          UH, I, I CAN'T JUST BECAUSE I, I'VE GOT ALL THAT TOPO IN THERE. 
          UM, THEN ALTHOUGH WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT IT, THERE ARE SOME CONSTRAINTS IN THERE ABOUT NON-RESIDENTIAL USES BEING ALLOWED IN THE ZONING, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT. 
          UM, AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET, UM, ON THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE THEY'RE, UH, RECOMMENDING NOT THE MIXED USE. 
          SO THERE'S NOT THAT ISSUE THERE. 
          AND, AND IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT FOR SALE PRODUCT, UM, ACROSS THE STREET, AGAIN, ALLOWS THAT FIVE STORY AND WOULD ALLOW DENSITY AT 30, 40, 50 UNITS TO THE ACRE. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY WE'VE TOLD THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVERYBODY WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. 
          SO I THINK IT'D BE SORT OF DISINGENUOUS 
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TO SAY, OH YEAH, BY THE WAY, THE STAFF SAID THIS AND THAT'S WHAT WE GOT. 
          AND SO IT'S TWO THINGS. 
          THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE PROMISED, UM, THREE STORIES AND, AND 26 UNITS ISH, UH, TO THE NORTH SIDE AND THEN THREE, TWO STORIES TO THE SOUTH SIDE AND IT COMES TO ABOUT 10 OR 12 UNITS THE ACRE MAXIMUM. 
          SO THAT'S THE SORT OF THE REASON. 
          AND THEN THE WHOLE DESIGN, IT JUST DOESN'T WORK TO FORCE ALL THOSE UNITS UP TO WHEATLAND ROAD TO, TO TOPO WISE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE COULD GO BACK AND ASK FOR, UM, VARIANCES OR STAFF APPROVED VARIANCES AND STUFF, BUT AT SOME POINT MF TWO IS REALLY WHAT WE WANT OR MF ONE IS REALLY WHAT WE WANT. 
          WE'RE ASKING FOR LESS ZONING. 
          WHAT YEAH, WE'RE ASKING FOR A LOT LESS ZONING. 
          YEAH. 
          ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP. 
          UH, WHILE YOU MENTIONED THE WORD TOPO, JUST 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE SOME NEW COMMISSIONERS, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT. 
          AND UNLESS YOU, YOU VISIT THE PROPERTY, WHY IS THE TOPOGRAPHY AN ISSUE HERE? WELL, IF, IF I CAN WORK WITH IT, IF I CAN MOVE MY BUILDING BACK, 'CAUSE I CAN MAKE THE, UH, RIGHT NOW BACK A CURB, LET'S SAY THE CURB IS ZERO, OKAY? UM, IN THE BACK, A CURB, YOU GO IN, YOU GOT A PARKWAY 'CAUSE IT'S A NEW STREET. 
          BUT FROM THERE, IN SOME PLACES IT GOES UP 20 FEET IN ELEVATION IN PROBABLY 30 FEET. 
          AND PART OF OF IT, WE'RE ONE OF THE UNIT AREAS, YOU'RE THE SECOND YOU GET, YOU DON'T GET TILL THE THIRD FLOOR. 
          THE THIRD FLOOR IS KIND OF WHERE WHEAT WHEATLAND IS. 
          SO WE JUST, WE'VE GOT A VERY UNUSUAL SITE. 
          THAT'S WHY IT'S STILL THERE IS BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING TO GRADE THIS FOR EACH PAD OF EACH BUILDING, IF YOU WILL. 
          AND THE WALKABLE MIX USE WORKS GREAT ON A FLAT PIECE OF PAPER, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A FLAT PIECE OF PAPER. 
          WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A CRAZY RIGHT. 
          IF YOU WALK THE SITE, YOU WOULD SEE IT'S KIND OF, IT'S KIND OF NICE, BUT IT'S KIND OF A MESS, RIGHT? AND, AND, AND IT WOULD LEND ITSELF TO MOVING BUILDINGS AROUND TO MEET THOSE TOPO AND MEET THAT THE, THE UNUSUALNESS OF THE SITE. 
          WELL, UNUSUAL FOR, FOR MOST OF DALLAS IS PRETTY FLAT OBVIOUSLY. 
          AND THIS AREA IS, HAS GOT A GREAT BIT OF FALL ON IT IS UNIVERSITY HILLS. 
          SO YEAH, IT'S UNIVERSITY HILLS , SO THAT'S TRUE. 
          THEN I'M GUESSING THIS ONE IS FOR, I'M IN THE, THE BAD FEEDBACK ZONE. 
          LET ME MOVE OVER AND I THINK THAT'S BETTER. 
          THE GEOMETRY OF THIS ROOM IS VERY INTERESTING. 
          I THINK THIS IS FOR MR. CRAWLEY. 
          UM, YOU'VE BEEN AT THIS A LOT LONGER THAN I HAVE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO SOMETIMES YOU HAVE HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE, WHICH I DON'T HAVE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I SEE IT ALONG LANCASTER. 
          IT GOES MF TWO, MF THREE, THEN THIS PROPERTY IS MOSTLY R 75. 
          THEN WE HAVE UC. 
          AND LO CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE HISTORY OF HOW THAT ZONING DEVELOPED AND HOW THAT R 75 GOT NESTLED IN THERE? YOU KNOW, UM, I, I'LL I'LL DATE MYSELF AND IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE KIND OF FUN WHEN Y'ALL GO THROUGH. 
          UH, I'M GONNA CALL IT 51 B, ALTHOUGH Y'ALL CALL IT 63. 
          UM, I, I I, THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO PEOPLE I THINK THAT I KNOW OF THAT ONE PERSON STILL WORKS AT THE CITY THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THAT. 
          RHONDA KEMP AND GIS WAS HERE AT THE CITY. 
          UM, SO ANYWAY, THIS OBVIOUSLY AREA TRANSITIONED. 
          THERE WAS A, A PLAN, THE LANCASTER PLAN WAY BACK IN THE LATE EIGHTIES AND THIS AREA TRANSITIONED AND THE R SEVEN FIVE PROBABLY THAT I WOULD GUESS THAT MOST OF EVERYTHING BESIDES LANCASTER WAS, IT WAS RETAIL. 
          IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN RETAIL, JUST THE NORMAL SORT OF STRIP UP AND DOWN MAJOR THOROUGHFARES AND EVERYTHING BEHIND THAT WAS LIKELY ZONED R SEVEN FIVE TILL ALL THE WAY TO THE UNT CAMPUS. 
          AND IT WAS PROBABLY ZONED R SEVEN FIVE OR AG. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE UC TWO, THAT'S A FAIRLY NEW DISTRICT. 
          UM, HECTOR GARCIA A CHAIRMAN, UM, THAT WAS HIS, UH, DISTRICT THAT HE GOT IN PLACE AND SOMEONE HAD TO ASK FOR IT. 
          SO SOMEONE ASKED FOR IT THERE. 
          AND THEN THE MF THREE, I WOULD GUESS WAS EVOLVED INTO THAT WHOLE SORT OF, UM, UNIVERSITY HILLS AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE HIGHER DENSITY STUFF THAT REALLY IS RAW LAND. 
          UM, PROBABLY INVOLVED WITH DART WITH THE RAIL LINE STATIONS THERE. 
          MF THREE WOULD BE KIND OF APPROPRIATE THERE. 
          AND THE R 75 WAS JUST LIKE THAT OWNER NEVER ASKED. 
          AND, AND AS DALLAS MENTIONED, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, TOPO WISE IS VERY DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP. 
          SO WHY AM I GONNA CHANGE THE ZONING ON IT UNTIL I HAVE SOMEBODY WILLING TO DEVELOP IT? OKAY. 
          SO I THINK IT JUST, THIS WAS THE LEAVE OUT THAT NEVER GOT CHANGED. 
          OKAY. 
          IT WAS THE AT LEAST STEPCHILD. 
          GREAT. 
          I I, I JUST, I I I, I ASKED THAT BECAUSE THE ZONING THAT I SEE BEING PROPOSED HERE IS NOT INCOMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S SURROUNDING IT ON ALL SIDES. 
          SO I, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER THERE'S SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT 
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HAS IT IN THE WORLD OF R SEVEN FIVE. 
          NO, I THINK IT'S JUST THE, THE LEFTOVER, YEAH. 
          IT WAS JUST A LEFTOVER PROPERTY. 
          NEVER GOT ZONED THAT WAY, BUT YEAH. 
          YEAH, FOR MAP, I I, IT'S A PLANNING PRINCIPLE THAT'S, UH, NOT ESPOUSED IN GRADUATE SCHOOL WHERE I WAS MAP CUTENESS, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT ACTUALLY. 
          UH, THIS IS NOT VERY MAPPED CUTE AT R SEVEN FIVE. 
          I HAVE TO ADD THAT PHRASE TO MY VOCABULARY. 
          IT IS, IT, IT'S AN IMPORTANT PHRASE. 
          YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING YOU GO, THAT JUST DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT, YOU KNOW, AND THIS ONE, THE R SEVEN FIVE JUST DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT. 
          WELL, I WILL SAY THAT SETTING ASIDE THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT REALLY AREN'T LAND USE RELATED, UM, FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, THE WAY THAT I SEE THIS IS, IS THAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S AROUND IT AS WELL AS THE RECENTLY ADOPTED FORWARD DALLAS 2.0. 
          SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT, UM, THAT, THE MOTION TO DENY, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS THE CITY IS HAVING AND NEEDS TO HAVE ABOUT WHAT SHALL NOT BE NAMED HERE. 
          BUT, UM, THAT IS, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, FOR BETTER OR WORSE NOT THE ULT THE, THE FORUM FOR, FOR THAT TO, YOU KNOW, INFLUENCE OUR DISCUSSIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN FELL ABOUT COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M GONNA TAKE A LITTLE WHILE. 
          I'M GONNA ASK A FEW QUESTIONS JUST TO LEVEL SET ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT HERE. 
          AND THEN MR. CRAWL, IF YOU CAN BRING BACK UP THE, UM, I GUESS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT YOU ALL ASKED. 
          IT WENT AWAY. 
          IT WENT AWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          HE'S COMING THOUGH. 
          I, I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT ROB HAS NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          HOW DO YOU GET THAT, ROB? YOU BRING, I COULD BRING IN, I COULD BRING IN A, A FLASH DRIVE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S LIKE WHY HE IS DOING THAT. 
          THE, THE FIRST THING I WANT TO LEVEL SET ON, ON HERE, IT'S THIS PARTICULAR AREA. 
          IF, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT, OH, OKAY. 
          THIS ISN'T JUST A ABANDONED KNOW AGRICULTURAL AREA WHERE THERE'S NOTHING AROUND IT. 
          THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF LAND HERE IS SURROUNDED BY A, UM, A NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING, THAT'S GONNA GO ON, UH, HOPE GLOBAL. 
          IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE TO THE WEST AND TO THE SOUTH. 
          YES. 
          ONE POINT A BILLION DOLLARS, UH, PUT INTO THIS THAT WOULD HAVE MARKET RATE APARTMENTS, UH, RETAIL AND OTHER COMMERCIAL, A STADIUM. 
          AND THEN TO THE FAR TO THE WEST, A SIMILAR PRODUCT WHERE THERE WAS GOING TO BE RETAIL, UM, HOUSING, THE MARKET RATE, UM, AND UH, PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN, CAN, CAN FIND DINES. 
          SO THIS IS ALL A PART OF THE, THE DALLAS UNT DALLAS MASTER PLAN JUST TO LOVE US UP THERE. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO JUST DISPEL THE, THE, THE NOTION THAT THE ONLY THING THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED IN THIS AREA IS, UH, A LITECH. 
          THAT'S NOT THE CASE. 
          'CAUSE EVERYONE AROUND THIS PLACE WILL BE DEVELOPING A MARKET RATE. 
          UH, SECONDLY, I JUST ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT AND, AND, AND TELL THE, TELL THE BODY, UM, IF I'M INCORRECT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA BE DONE IN TWO PHASES OR PROPOSED BE IN TWO PHASES, CORRECT? MM-HMM. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY COULD BE DEVELOPED AT THE SAME TIME. 
          BUT, BUT, BUT THERE'S TWO, TWO DIFFERENT PRODUCTS. 
          SO, WELL, THIS IS THE WAY THAT IT WAS ARTICULATED TO ME, AND, AND TELL ME IF I'M WRONG HERE. 
          SURE. 
          THE 336, UH, APARTMENTS TO THE NORTH SIDE OF WHEATLAND ROAD WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED FIRST. 
          YES. 
          NOW, THE, THE, THE SOUTHERN PORTION WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TOWN HOMES, THIS WILL NOT BE DEVELOPED BY THE OWNER AS TOWN HOMES. 
          CORRECT? THEY'RE GONNA BE, THEY MAY PUT THE LAND INTO THE DEAL, UH, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE THE, THE BUILDER, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULD GO TO MARKET WITH, IF THIS WE GOT ZONING, WE WOULD GO TO MARKET IMMEDIATELY AND TRY TO FIND A TOWNHOME UH, BUILDER. 
          IT MAKES ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD TO DO ALL THE DIRT WORK AT THE SAME TIME. 
          SO, BUT WE'D HAVE TO IDENTIFY THAT WE DO NOT HAVE RIGHT NOW A TOWNHOME DEVELOPER. 
          PARTLY THE PROBLEM IS YOU CAN'T BUILD THEM RIGHT NOW. 
          SO IT'S CHICKEN AND THE EGG. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, SO THE OWNER THEMSELVES WILL NOT BE DEVELOPING TOWN HOMES ON THIS PIECE OF LAND, RIGHT? THEY MAY, THEY MAY BE, THEY MAY BE PUTTING THE LAND IN AS PART, THEY MAY BE AN INVESTMENT PART OF IT. 
          THEY ARE NOT BY TRAINING OR TEMPERAMENT. 
          UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPERS. 
          SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ACTUALLY CAN MAKE, DO THE CONSTRUCTION. 
          I BELIEVE THEY'RE GONNA BE IN THE DEAL IN TERMS OF, UH, PARTICIPATING WITH THE LAND BEING PART OF THE EQUITY BECAUSE THEY'LL LOAN THE LAND C COULD MR. COTHAM, WHEN 
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YOU, WHEN YOU CAME AND YOU, YOU, WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THIS DEAL, YOU, YOU LED WITH THE TOWN HOMES AS IF, UH, THERE'S A HOUSING SHORTAGE WE NEED, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR PURCHASE HOMES, BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT TOWN HOMES WILL BE BUILT ON THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF LAND. 
          THERE'S CONTINGENCIES UPON CONTINGENCIES. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          THERE'S A GUARANTEE THAT THERE'LL BE MULTIFAMILY BUILT EITHER. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE LOTS OF PROJECTS THAT DIDN'T GET GET BUILT. 
          I MEAN UNFORTUNATELY, AND WE'VE DONE LOTS OF ONES THAT HAVE, SO I MEAN, THERE'S NO, I I THINK THOUGH THEY HAVE THE, THE, THE FINANCING LINED UP TO DO THE MULTIFAMILY AND THEY WOULD PROCEED AND DO IT POST-HASTE. 
          IT IS UNCERTAIN, UH, IF, IF THE, THE TOWN HOMES WOULD HAPPEN. 
          THEY CERTAINLY WON'T HAPPEN UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING. 
          MR. CAR. 
          I JUST WANT YOU TO BE GENUINE WITH US. 
          OKAY? LET'S NOT JUST PARTS WHERE, JUST DON'T, JUST DON'T GET INTO SEMANTICS. 
          THE DEVELOPER WILL BUILD MULTI-FAMILY ON THE NORTH SIDE YES. 
          OF WHEATLAND AS SOON AS THEY CAN. 
          AS SOON AS THEY CAN. 
          YES, THERE'S, AND THERE'S, THAT'S VIRTUALLY GUARANTEED YES. 
          ON ANY FINANCING, BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THERE WILL BE ANY FOR SALE TOWN HOMES BY ANY DESIGN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WHEATLAND ROAD. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A PARTNER YET, I THINK. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          BUT, BUT I, I WOULD SAY WE HAVE TO GET THAT DONE OR THEY'LL LOSE MONEY ON THE OVERALL PROJECT. 
          THEY, THEY HAVE AN INCENTIVE. 
          IT'D BE HARD TO JUST WRITE THIS OFF 'CAUSE IT'S NOT QUITE HALF THE DEAL, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, UH, WHAT DO YOU THINK? MORE THAN THE THIRD, THIRD OF THE LAND. 
          SO I MEAN, IT, IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          AND, AND, AND JUST FOR HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE, MEAN MY AREA IS VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD PROJECTS THAT WERE, UH, WERE PROMISED IN PHASES THAT WE WILL DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR, OR INCOME SURE. 
          RESTRICTED HOUSING IN ONE PHASE, THEN WE'RE GONNA DO TOWN HOMES IN ANOTHER PHASE, AND THEN THE RETAIL, ANOTHER OTHER STUFF MATERIALIZES FOR WHATEVER REASON. 
          SO IT, IT IS, IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT THE ONLY GUARANTEE, VIRTUAL GUARANTEE THAT WE HAVE HERE IS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE INCOME RESTRICTED HOUSING IN THIS AREA. 
          I I, I THINK THE ONLY GUARANTEE YOU HAVE IF THE ZONING WAS APPROVED AS YOU WOULD HAVE APARTMENTS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD SAY THERE, THERE, THERE'S A GUARANTEE THERE'LL BE INCOME RESTRICTED. 
          I, I, YOU KNOW, A AGAIN, UH, THAT'S A FINANCING, JUST MUCH LIKE YOU MENTIONED THE HOGUE DEVELOPMENT AND STUFF. 
          THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THOSE WILL ALL BE MARKET RATE IS THERE? NO, IT'LL HAPPEN OR IT'LL HAPPEN. 
          MR. CROWLEY, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THERE'S OVER A THOUSAND INCOME RESTRICTED HOUSING HOUSES UNITS LESS THAN TWO MILES AWAY FROM THIS PARTICULAR YES. 
          AND, AND THERE'S, LEMME FINISH THE YES, YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION. 
          SURE. 
          AND THEN 500 OF THOSE WERE, WERE APPROVED BY THIS BODY WITHIN AND DEVELOPED WITHIN THE LAST TWO YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          I IS THAT IS THAT, I I I HAVE A MAP THAT OF WHERE THEY ALL ARE. 
          I MEAN, I'M INTERESTED IN THIS. 
          I MEAN, I, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF IT IS THERE'S MORE LAND AVAILABLE IN, IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY THAN OTHERS. 
          AND SO, UM, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THINGS HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S MORE AVAILABILITY. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT OF, OF THE TWO LARGEST, UH, CITIES IN THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE THE MOST AVAILABLE LAND, THEY'RE DALLAS AND FORT WORTH, AND THEY ARE IN FAIRLY PREDICTABLE AREAS OF BOTH OF THOSE CITIES. 
          AND YOU SEE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IN THOSE, BOTH OF THOSE. 
          AND WE'VE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE THE LAND IS AND IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE, BUT I'M SENSITIVE TO THAT. 
          YOU'RE NOT WRONG. 
          IT, IT, UM, THERE ARE STILL DISTRICTS THAT HAVE MORE, THEY MAY HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED IN THE NINETIES OR THE ZEROS, BUT THEY'RE STILL NOT THE MOST UNITS. 
          YEP. 
          YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT IS, IS IF THE STATE SAYS THERE'S TOO MANY OF THESE TYPE OF UNITS HERE, THEY WILL NOT, THERE'LL BE A CONCENTRATION AND THEY WILL NOT ALLOW MORE OF THOSE TO BE GOING IN PLACE. 
          PART OF, PART OF THE STATE REVIEW OF THAT TYPE OF FINANCING IS CONCENTRATIONS. 
          AND THEN THE FINALLY, THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE RIGHT OF, OF, IT'S CALLED AO RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION OR OPPOSITION. 
          IF THAT'S NOT APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, THAT FINANCING IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          MR. CHAIR, THIS IS LAURA MORRISON, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK THE COMMISSION TO STICK TO LAND USE ONLY IN THIS CONVERSATION. 
          NO, YOU'RE SKI, SIR. 
          LET'S GET BACK UNDER THE SKIS EVERYONE. 
          NEXT QUESTION. 
          COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, UH, THIS 
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PARTICULAR PIECE OF LAND IS A PART OF THE, THE DALLAS AREA, THE UNT DALLAS, UH, AREA PLAN. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND UH, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT, UH, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, UH, WILL NOT ALLOW UNDERGRADUATE STUDENTS TO LIVE THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO, TO EARN UNLESS THEY'RE IN THE 10% MARKET RATE. 
          YES. 
          YOU, YOU COULD HAVE GRADUATE STUDENTS 'CAUSE THEY HAVE A JOB, BUT THE LITECH LITECH RULES REQUIRE PEOPLE BE, CAN'T SAY THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IN A LITECH DEAL, STUDENTS CAN'T, CAN'T, UNDERGRADUATE STUDENTS CAN'T PARTICIPATE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES. 
          THEY'RE FULL-TIME STUDENTS. 
          GRADUATE STUDENTS ARE ANOTHER MATTER. 
          AND YOU, YOU LISTED OFF A, UH, A LAUNDRY LIST OF PEOPLE OF, UM, IT'S FACULTY OR ADMINISTRATORS WHO WILL BE ABLE TO THERE SOME LECTURER POSITIONS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, I'M NOT SURE I'D CALL THOSE FACULTY JOBS 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT TENURE TRACK, BUT A LOT OF STAFF POSITIONS, UH, ARE THAT ARE ON THE WEBSITE WOULD QUALIFY, UH, YOU KNOW, OF UH, UH, YOU KNOW, SO AT AT 60% A MI I'M TRYING, I'M TRYING. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M, I'M NOT GOING TO TO TO GO THERE. 
          I, AND I WILL, UM, RESERVE MY COMMENTS UNTIL ANYBODY ELSE ASKS THE QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          WE CAN COME BACK. 
          COMMISSIONER HOUSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, MY REMARKS ARE, ARE REALLY RATHER BRIEF, UH, AND SIMPLISTIC. 
          I, I I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AND I CAN'T COME UP WITH A GOOD REASON WHY I WOULD OPPOSE, UH, UM, THE APPLICATION. 
          UM, THIS IS A, LOOKS LIKE A, A REASONABLE PROJECT ON A REALLY DIFFICULT SITE. 
          UM, I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED WE'RE ONLY SEEING MF ONE WHEN WE'VE GOT MF TWO AND MF THREE ADJACENT. 
          UM, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I I I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD APPLICATION AND, UM, REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH ELSE TO SAY BEYOND THAT. 
          THANKS. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER KINGSTON? I GUESS I'M STRUGGLING. 
          WHY? I, I'M STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE COMMISSIONER OF THE DISTRICT IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL. 
          UM, I HEARD THAT THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS AROUND THAT ARE GONNA BE HIGHER END AND TO ME THAT SORT OF LEANS TOWARD SUPPORTING THIS. 
          AND I, I GUESS I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT, AND, AND I KNOW YOU SAID YOU HAD MORE COMMENTS, SO I GUESS I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND IT. 
          I'M, I'M STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND WHY. 
          AND, AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, FOR I'LL TAKE ANY LIE TAKE PROJECT IN MY DISTRICT. 
          ANYBODY WANTS TO PUT THERE? THANK YOU. 
          I THINK WE, WE HAVE A REQUEST. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER, BUT YOU CAN AS AN INITIAL MATTER. 
          I MEAN, THE COMMITTEE DOESN'T WANT IT. 
          I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE EXCLUSIVE REASON. 
          BUT, UH, THE SECOND IS THIS IS, WE HAVE A VERY SPECIAL OPPORTUNITY IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA FOR FAR TOO LONG IN THIS AREA. 
          THIS HAS BEEN THE LOWER INCOME CORRIDOR. 
          THERE'S VERY FEW RETAIL IS IN THIS AREA. 
          IT ACTUALLY ON THAT SOUTH SIDE, MAYBE THERE'S LIKE TWO SHOPS, BUT THERE'S NO RETAIL, THERE'S NO NO PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO AND SIT DOWN AND EAT THAT THERE'S NO PLACES FOR, FOR PEOPLE TO WORK. 
          RIGHT? AND SO ALL OF IT, ALL OF IT, THE HOMES IN THIS AREA HAS BEEN CONCENTRATED TO BE LOWER INCOME OR INCOME RESTRICTED, WHERE YOU CAN'T MAKE OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT TO LIVE HERE. 
          SO WHAT IT DOES, IT, IT DOESN'T PROVIDE UPPER MOBILITY. 
          IT'S INCOMPATIBLE OVERALL WITH THE UNT DALLAS PLAN, WHICH COULD POTENTIALLY, UH, IMPACT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING UP THAT WILL BRING IN THE DOLLARS. 
          AND JUST JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE, THE RED BIRD MALL AREA, WHICH WE'VE HAD SOME, SOME BOLD AND, AND AND RISKY DEVELOPERS WHO ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING. 
          THEY HAVE, UH, PUT IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO BRING IN CERTAIN BUSINESSES THAT HAVE LEFT THE CITY, THE SOUTHERN, SOUTHERN DALLAS TO GO, UH, BE IN, IN CEDAR HILL OR DESOTO, TO HAVE THOSE RESTAURANTS, THOSE ENTERTAINMENT IN, UH, ENTERTAINMENT, UH, SPOTS BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE ADAPTED TO THE PERSPECTIVE THAT THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT CAN, UH, CAN GROW THERE. 
          AND IT'S BECOME A, 
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A, A SELF-FULFILLING PROPHECY. 
          SO EVEN THE GOOD WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING IN A RED BIRD MALL AREA, THERE ARE RETAILERS WHO WOULD NOT COME BECAUSE OF THE E BECAUSE OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS, INCOME RESTRICTIONS. 
          WE JUST HAD TOM THUMB JUST PULLED OUT OF THE DEAL BECAUSE OF THE 'CAUSE OF THIS STARBUCKS. 
          THEY SAID STARBUCKS WASN'T GONNA WORK. 
          BUT THAT STARBUCKS THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW IS THE BUSIEST DFW. 
          BUT THERE'S OPEN SPOTS THERE BECAUSE THE, THE, THE RETAILS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET IN, WE CAN'T GET THEM IN BECAUSE OF THE INCOME. 
          AND SO THIS IS OUR UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY RIGHT HERE TO BRING IN THOSE TAX DOLLARS TO HAVE A TRUE MIXED INCOME COMMUNITY AND NOT JUST LOWER INCOME HOUSING. 
          THIS IS IT. 
          THIS IS IT. 
          THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DREAM DREAMING OF FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS AND HAVE BEEN HOPING FOR. 
          AND IT'S CONSISTENT, CONSISTENT, CONSISTENT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A NEED FOR, FOR AFFORDABLE HOMES. 
          THERE'S A, A NEED FOR, UH, FOR ADDITIONAL HOMES. 
          BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS INCOME LIMITED HOMES. 
          NOW A, A FIRST YEAR TEACHER IN THE DISD WILL MAKE $64,000. 
          THEY'RE EXCLUDED A POLICE OFFICER, 74,000, THEY CAN'T LIVE THERE. 
          SO IF ANYONE WHO IS HAVE ANY PROFESSIONS TO BRING IN THE MIXED INCOME THAT WE NEED, THEY CAN'T LIVE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA BECAUSE OF THESE ARTIFICIAL LIMITS THAT'S BEEN IMPOSED ON US BECAUSE WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT COULD HAPPEN THERE. 
          BUT WHEN WE HAVE DEVELOPERS WHO ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN THE AREA WHO WANTS TO DEVELOP THE LAND, WHO ARE DOING THE RIGHT THINGS, THEY WILL BE INADVERTENTLY LIKE PUNISHED BY THE CONTINUOUS, THE ENCROACHING OF THE, THE, THE, THE LOWER INCOME PRODUCTS THAT THIS COMMUNITY ALREADY HAS. 
          AND SO THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T WANT IT, IT DOESN'T FIT IN WITH THE DIVISION. 
          THAT'S BEEN A, A PART OF THE PLAN FOR OVER 20 YEARS. 
          THIS JUST DOESN'T FIT. 
          THIS IS INCOMPATIBLE. 
          NOW WE'VE, WE'RE NOT AGAINST LITECH, WE JUST VOTED FOR ONE ON CONSENT FOR ANOTHER PART OF DISTRICT EIGHT. 
          IT MAKES SENSE IN DIFFERENT, IN OTHER AREAS IN DISTRICT A, BUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA IT DOESN'T FIT. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER, WERE YOU THERE? UM, I, I KNOW WE, WE HAVE TO STAY TO THE TOPIC. 
          WE HAVE TWO BRAND NEW APARTMENT COMPLEXES. 
          THE, THE, UM, WITHIN MILES OF THIS ONE THAT'S AT SIMPSON, STEWART AND BUNNY VIEW, ONE THAT IS AT ILLINOIS AND, UM, OVERTON. 
          AND THEY ARE THE SAME BUILDER HAD OF THE SAME VISION. 
          BUT IN MY PAST, IN MY SIDE JOB, MY MAIN JOB, I AM A BALANCE INTERRUPTER, UM, FOR AN ORGANIZATION THAT GOES IN AND ENSURES IMPEDE VIOLENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND IN BOTH SETTLE APARTMENTS SPEAKING THIS WEEKEND, ALL, UH, THEY ARE SAYING THAT MARKET RATE RENT, UM, UM, TENANTS ARE BREAKING THEIR LEASE AND MOVING OUT. 
          AND WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THESE ARE PRACTICALLY BRAND NEW APARTMENTS. 
          WHEN WE'RE SAYING THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT SOME AREAS NEED MORE LAW TECH, WE DO GET THAT. 
          BUT THIS PARTICULAR AREA, WE ARE NOT, AND WE SAID AROUND THIS BODY, WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS THAT ARE FOR WORKING CLASS. 
          NOT THAT YOU WORK 20 HOURS A WEEK AND YOU CAN BE ABLE TO AFFORD AN APARTMENT. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO TEACH OUR CHILDREN WHO FIGHT CRIME IN OUR CITY WHO'VE PUT OUT FIRES WHO HAVE A DEGREE AT THE VERY SCHOOL IN THE AREA THAT CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE. 
          AND IF THERE IS A NEW SET OF APARTMENTS IN THE AREA THAT THE A MI IS TOO LOW, THAT THEY CAN'T MOVE IN EVEN THOUGH THEY COULDN'T AFFORD THE RENT BECAUSE THEY ARE, THEY MAKE TOO MUCH. 
          SO WHAT COMMISSIONER, I BELIEVE WHAT I, THE COMMISSIONER FOR THE DISTRICT IS SAYING IS WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT A HIGHER A MI AND WE CAN PUT IT HOWEVER WE WANT. 
          THE, THE, THE HOME OWNERSHIP PORTION IS GOOD. 
          THE A MI PORTION CAUSES AN ISSUE. 
          LOT TECH. 
          THERE IS LOT TECH THAT'S PROBABLY NEEDED IN NORTHERN DALLAS. 
          IT WAS JUST BECAUSE NORTH DALLAS IS LANDLOCK IN SOUTH DALLAS IS NOT ABOUT AROUND THIS PARTY, THIS BODY. 
          WE HAVE SEEN DEVELOPERS COME IN WHO ARE BUILDING 600 UNITS, 500 UNITS AND WILL RATHER PAY THE IN LOOP FEE THAN, UH, FI UH, PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO OUR TEACHERS. 
          OUR WORKING CLASS, 80 HOURS 
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EVERY TWO WEEK PAYCHECK. 
          SO WE NEED THIS. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE THE LAND DON'T MEAN WE WANT THE LIE TECH. 
          AND UNFORTUNATE, MAYBE IT'S A HARD SITUATION TO BE ABLE TO SAY, I'M, I'M, I AM, I HAVE LIVED THE MAJORITY OF MY LIFE AND WHAT WE CALL THE HOOD. 
          AND I'M TELLING YOU I DON'T WANNA SEE ANOTHER LITECH PROJECT BEFORE I SEE MORE MARKET AFFORDABLE HOUSING UP UNDER MARKET RATE, BUT NOT SO LOW THAT THE PEOPLE WHO GO TO WORK EVERY DAY AND WORK AND SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITIES THAT CANNOT AFFORD. 
          AND IF WE WANNA BRING MORE TEACHERS, MORE, MORE FIREMEN, MORE POLICE OFFICERS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE TO BUILD AND AFFORD THEM PLACES THAT THEY CAN RENT BEFORE HOME OWNERSHIP, HOME OWNERSHIP IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, FOR THOSE WHO MAKE THAT USED TO MAKE $20 AN HOUR, NO LONGER CAN'T AFFORD IT. 
          SO I KNOW WE DON'T, BUT THE ISSUE FOR ME IS THE LI THE A MI LATTE PORTION THAT IT IS 100. 
          THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING NO. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE WE'RE GONNA GO BACK THE FIRST ROUND AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE. 
          WELL, I'LL BE BRIEF. 
          UM, I SECONDED THE MOTION, I DO SUPPORT IT. 
          I I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH RESIDENTIAL. 
          I THINK WHERE I AM STRUGGLING AND WHY I SUPPORTED THE MOTION IS THAT I, I, I DON'T SEE THAT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, UM, MAYBE GOES FAR ENOUGH IN IMPLEMENTING THE VISION THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR THE UT AREA. 
          AND I AM SENSITIVE THOUGH TO THEIR COMMENTS THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THE FORM-BASED CODE IS A CHALLENGE FOR THEM AT THEIR SITE. 
          AND I JUST CAN'T RECONCILE THE TWO TOGETHER, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT THE SOLUTION IS. 
          BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THIS ONE IS THERE AND THEY HAVE A, A, A PROJECT AND A TEAM AND, AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY REFLECTED IN THE LARGER VISION. 
          AND I THINK IN DEFERENCE TO THEM, I I'M NOT SURE THAT HOLDING THIS SOLVES IT. 
          I THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE RETHOUGHT ABOUT. 
          AND FOR THAT REASON, I, I THINK THAT COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN KNOWS HIS DISTRICT. 
          HE KNOWS THE AREA PLAN AND WHAT I'VE SEEN AND WHAT I SEE AND, AND IT IS A MISHMASH OF ZONING. 
          I APPRECIATE, UM, MR. CROWLEY POINTING THAT OUT. 
          I HAVE ALSO HAVE A NEW, NEW TERM IN MY VOCABULARY NOW ON PLAYING CUTE. 
          UM, BUT I, I SUPPORT COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN. 
          THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR STRONG. 
          WE'LL GO TO SECOND ROUND TO MR. RUBIN. 
          YES. 
          UM, I, WHETHER OR NOT I SUPPORT THE COMMERCIAL, UM, I HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHT HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. 
          I KNOW THE AREA, I KNOW THE RESTAURANT ACROSS THE STREET. 
          I KNOW THE HAIRDRESSER RIGHT THERE, UH, JAZZY, UM, THAT LONGSTANDING HAIRDRESSER IN THE AREA. 
          UM, AND, AND HOW ANY DEVELOPMENT WILL AFFECT THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES ALONG THAT CORRIDOR. 
          UM, I I, IT IT, HAVING A HIGH-END PROJECT THERE MAY THROW THEM OUT, RIGHT? BUT NEITHER HERE, THEY'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT THAT. 
          I HAVE HAD THE ISSUE OF MY OWN STAFF MEMBERS GOING TO APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE REALLY NICE AND BEING TOLD THAT THERE'S $65,000 A YEAR IS TOO MUCH. 
          THEY WON'T EVEN GET AN APPLICATION. 
          UM, THAT'S UPSETTING, RIGHT? THAT THAT'S WHERE DO, WHERE SHE'S SUPPOSED TO GO. 
          NOW, T ROCKWALL GARLAND, THE TX ARE DENYING PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING MONEY, UM, BECAUSE OF THE RULES THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW. 
          UM, SO AS WE APPROACH PROJECTS IN THE MIXED USE PROJECTS, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT AND THINK ABOUT THOSE MISSING MIDDLE, UM, PEOPLE WHO, UM, NEED, NEED A PLACE TO LIVE, UM, AND WANT TO STAY IN THE DISTRICT THAT THEY GREW UP IN. 
          UM, THERE'S THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          VICE CHAIR . 
          I GUESS I'VE HEARD COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN'S MOST RECENT COMMENTS, AND I GUESS WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS THE CONCERN ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT JEOPARDIZING OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE FORTHCOMING IN THE AREA. 
          AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE DOING SOME OF THE OTHER WORK IN THE AREA, AND I'VE SEEN THEM EITHER PERSONALLY OR THROUGH REPRESENTATIVES COME TO THE CPC WHEN THEY SEE ZONING CASES THAT CONCERN THEM, UM, IN THE AREA. 
          BUT I GUESS I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN ANYTHING FROM ANYONE ELSE WHO IS BUILDING IN THAT AREA, COMING IN AND TELLING US THIS PROPOSED PROJECT THAT'S BEFORE US RIGHT NOW IS GOING TO JEOPARDIZE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON IN THE AREA. 
          SO I, I HEAR YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THAT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T KNOW IF I, IT'S FULLY MATERIALIZED YET FOR 
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ME TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          AND I GUESS I HEAR, AND ALSO I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, APPLICANTS, HAVE Y'ALL HEARD FROM ANY OF THOSE OTHER, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS IN THE AREA RAISING CONCERNS? SO I GUESS I, I KIND OF POSE QUESTIONS TO BOTH OF Y'ALL TO, TO SPEAK TO THAT ISSUE THAT'S BEEN RAISED. 
          NO, I MEAN, AND I'D SAY WE HAD GENERALLY A GOOD COMMUNITY MEETING THAT PEOPLE ASK REASONABLE QUESTIONS. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT THE A MI, YOU KNOW, THEY ASK GOOD QUESTIONS ABOUT, THEY LIKE THAT WE'RE HAVING UTILITY ALLOWANCE. 
          EVERY UNIT HAS A WASHER AND DRYER. 
          THEY WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE AMENITIES OF THE UNITS. 
          UM, THEY ASK A LOT OF QUESTION ABOUT STUDENTS, YOU KNOW, UH, ARE THEY GONNA BE LIVING THERE? UM, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, THE, FOR A MULTI-FAMILY DEAL, THIS HAS NOT HAD THE KIND OF CONSISTENT OUTCRY YOU HAVE. 
          BUT THEN AGAIN, WE'RE ASKING FOR MF ONE NEXT TO MF THREE. 
          SO, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY ASKING FOR LESS ZONING. 
          I MEAN, I HAVEN'T BEEN UP HERE IN MY CAREER MAKING A HABIT OF DOING THAT. 
          IT'S HARD TO MAKE A LIVING ASKING FOR LESS MAYOR. 
          YEAH. 
          COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN. 
          SO THE, THE SAME INDIVIDUALS. 
          'CAUSE I WAS AT THE MEETING AND I'VE, I'VE TALKED TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE AT THE MEETING, AND IN FACT, WE'VE RECEIVED SEVERAL EMAILS FROM THE LEADERS WHO ATTENDED THAT MEETING. 
          AND THEY ARE IN OPPOSITION OF YOU NEVER HEARD FROM 'EM? I, ALL I KNOW IS I DIDN'T GET AN EMAIL, SO I WOULDN'T KNOW. 
          I THOUGHT IT WAS PEOPLE POLITE, CORDIAL, NICE MEETING NICE PEOPLE. 
          MR. CROSSFIELD, THE MIKE, THEY CAN'T HEAR YOU ONLINE. 
          I'M JUST SAYING. 
          WE DIDN'T GET ANY EMAILS. 
          I, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER THING THAN IT WAS A PLEASANT MEETING. 
          PEOPLE WERE NICE WHEN I LEFT. 
          THERE WERE NO ANGRY VOICES. 
          PEOPLE THANKED THIS FOR COMING, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHAT A HOSTILE MEETING LOOKS LIKE. 
          I WENT TO ONE LAST NIGHT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO, UM, AND I, I THINK IT'S STILL MY FIVE, FIVE MINUTES HERE, PLEASE. 
          SO IF I CAN JUMP BACK IN, I, I HEAR COMMUNITY MEETING AND Y'ALL TALKING ABOUT THAT, THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND I, I, I GET THAT AS WELL. 
          AND I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT FACTOR TO CONSIDER. 
          I THINK MY QUESTION WAS DIRECTED TO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, WHICH IS THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THESE OTHER PROJECTS IN THE AREA THAT COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN WAS REFERENCING ABOUT, I DON'T SEE THEM HERE RAISING CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PROJECT. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I, WE'VE WORKED FOR THEM. 
          I KNOW THEY KNOW HOW TO FIND MASCULINE. 
          WELL, LET, LEMME GET COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN FIRST. 
          SURE. 
          THEN I'LL COME BACK TO YOU. 
          MR. CORAN. 
          YES. 
          I I, I'VE HEARD FROM THE DEVELOPERS. 
          UH, WELL, I'M NOT SURE IF WE CAN DO THIS PROCEDURALLY, 'CAUSE I, I, I SEE WE HAVE A, UH, SOMEONE THAT WILL BE DEVELOPING IN THIS AREA THAT'S IN THE AUDIENCE WHO DIDN'T SPEAK EARLIER, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THEY ALLOW, IF THE RULES WILL ALLOW FOR HIM TO OPINE AT ALL ON IF HE WOULD LIKE PUBLIC HEARINGS CLOSED. 
          MR. PETRI, I'M JUST HERE TO HEAR WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          UH, SO WE, SO SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE WHO OWNS THE, THE ANY LAND WHO WILL BE POTENTIALLY DEVELOPING, UH, NEAR THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, AND COMMISSIONER RUBIN WAS INQUIRING WHETHER OR NOT LOWER, UH, INCOME HOMES WILL IMPACT THE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT WILL WILL IMPACT ANY DEVELOPMENT ON YOUR PARTICULAR LAND OR SURROUNDING, UH, LANDOWNERS. 
          AND I THINK MY QUESTION WAS THIS SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT WITH THE MIX OF CH AND MULTIFAMILY. 
          DO YOU WANT ME TO OPINE ON, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST FOR THE, EVEN BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, YOU KNOW, ZAC, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL BRIEFINGS, THERE HAVE BEEN ENDLESS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW EVERY PORT A PART OF AFFORDABILITY IS UNDER ATTACK. 
          YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE LESS THAN $50,000, YOU'VE GOT THE 50,000 TO $80,000, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE PEOPLE, YOUNG PEOPLE WHO CAN'T BUY A HOME BECAUSE THEY'RE BESET BY STUDENT LOANS AND THE INABILITY TO COME UP WITH AT LEAST 20% DOWN. 
          WE ARE ADDRESSING THOSE THINGS HERE. 
          I, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE, I'VE CONSISTENTLY HEARD ON OTHER PROJECTS, WE NEED MORE, HOW MORE A MI AT THE LOWER LEVEL WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO DO 70 TO A HUNDRED. 
          SO IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S REALLY HARD ON OUR SIDE. 
          IT'S ALWAYS A MOVING TARGET. 
          BUT THE THING THAT HAS BEEN CONSISTENT FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME THAT THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IS WE LACK AFFORDABILITY IN EVERY CATEGORY. 
          AND THE CITY OF DALLAS' GROWTH RATE HAS BEEN COMPLETELY FLAT FOR MORE THAN A DECADE, AND IT CONTINUES TO LOSE TAX BASE. 
          AND SO THAT'S NOT ABOUT THIS CASE. 
          IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO DO 88 TOWN HOMES THAT WOULD BE FOR SALE FOR $300,000 AND 300 UNITS OF 
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MULTIFAMILY THAT ARE AFFORDABLE. 
          IT'S A DROP IN THE BUCKET. 
          BUT TOO OFTEN WE MISS GETTING DROPS IN THE BUCKET AND WE HEAR, WELL, THIS IS THE WRONG PLACE. 
          IT'S THE WRONG PLACE EVERYWHERE. 
          THAT'S WHY YOU GUYS GET THE BOX LUNCH TO BE LEADERS. 
          AND, AND I, I, WE HOPE ADDRESS THESE THINGS. 
          WE KEEP BRINGING CASES TO YOU THAT WE THINK IN THIS INSTANCE IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT ALL THESE POLICY THINGS ARE. 
          BUT NOW ZONING CASES AREN'T ABOUT POLICY. 
          ZONING CASES ARE ABOUT WHERE THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD. 
          AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE HARD DECISIONS WHERE FEELINGS ARE HURT. 
          PLANNING IS THEORY AND PEOPLE ARE HAPPY. 
          I THINK MR. DONATING, THEY'RE NOT, I THINK THAT, I THINK YOU'VE GOTTEN WELL BEYOND THE, THE SCOPE OF MY QUESTION, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I JUST HAVE ONE MORE, ONE MORE THING. 
          AND MS. MORRISON SLAPPED MY HAND IF, IF I SHOULDN'T INQUIRE TO THIS, BUT 60% OF A MI WORKS OUT TO ROUGHLY $70,000 FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? 60% OF A MI WORKS OUT TO ROUGHLY 70 GRAND FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, 96 TIMES POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          WHATEVER THE MATH IS. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSE, BEFORE I GO TO YOU, I, I'LL JUMP INTO THE FIRST ROUND. 
          UM, UH, FIRST I'D LIKE TO THANK COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN FOR YEAH. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UH, IT'S INTERESTING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE PROBLEM OF, OF RICHES IN A WAY THAT YOU STEPPED INTO THE DISTRICT WHEN IT HAS EXPLODED. 
          IN FACT, IT'S BEEN EXPLODING. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL VERY FRUSTRATED ABOUT THE LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE IN SOUTH DALLAS. 
          BUT IF YOU, UH, HAVE ANY DOUBTS ABOUT THAT HAPPENING, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS COME TO THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION. 
          YOU KNOW, UH, 10 OF THE 15 CASES TODAY ARE HARD, SOUTH OF 30. 
          RIGHT? AND ONLY ONE REALLY IS FAR NORTH. 
          IT'S NORTH DALLAS, THE ONE IN 13, AND THE REST ARE REALLY RIGHT AROUND THAT BAND, OR SOUTH OF 30. 
          AND IT'S LIKE THAT ALMOST EVERY TWO WEEKS. 
          UH, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A NICE PROBLEM TO HAVE AS A CITY, I THINK. 
          AND SO HERE WE ARE, WE ARE WITH THESE KINDS OF REALLY TOUGH CASES. 
          AND, AND THIS ONE IS, IS A TOUGH CALL, UH, BECAUSE OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE TANGENTIAL ISSUES HERE. 
          UH, BUT FOR ME, I'M GONNA, YOU KNOW, RESPECTFULLY ON THIS ONE, UH, FOLLOW THE LAND USE ON THIS ONE. 
          AND, UH, IT IS, IT IS AN EXCITING PART OF TOWN. 
          I, I WAS AT THE RIBBON CUTTING, AND THAT IS A, A SUPER EXCITING PROJECT. 
          IT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE FOR THE CITY, AND IT'S ONE THAT'S YET TO BE FLUSHED OUT, AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT ONE IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND, UH, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY AMAZING WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE. 
          UH, BUT FOR THIS ONE, AND WITH THESE PARTICULAR PARAMETERS, UH, I THINK I'M GONNA GO ON THE SIDE OF, UH, OF APPROVAL ON THIS ONE. 
          RESPECTFULLY, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, SECOND ROUND FOR YOU, SIR. 
          UM, YES, I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN'S, UM, UH, DESIRE FOR MORE SERVICES, RETAIL, ET CETERA. 
          UM, I'LL REMIND YOU THAT I, I, I WOULD GUESS EVERY DISTRICT IN THE CITY STRUGGLES WITH THAT, AND NOT JUST YOUR DISTRICT. 
          UH, MY DISTRICT STRUGGLES WITH IT. 
          UM, THERE, THERE IS, THERE IS NO RETAIL AND SERVICE CONSTRUCTION IN MY DISTRICT. 
          THERE JUST IS NONE. 
          WE TRY TO KEEP FULL. 
          WHAT WE'VE GOT, UH, I THINK MR. SLEEPER HERE, WHO'S IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS WILL TELL YOU THERE'S VIRTUALLY NO RETAIL BEING BUILT. 
          IT'S LIKE A WHAT, 2% INCREASE IN INVENTORY PER YEAR, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, JUST BECAUSE OF THE, THE DYNAMICS OF, OF THE ECONOMY THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, THE ONLINE SHOPPING, ET CETERA. 
          UM, SO I DON'T THINK DISTRICT EIGHT'S GETTING PICKED ON, UH, WITH THAT IN THAT RESPECT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, UM, AS I SAID, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO DO A LOT OF WORK IN DISTRICT 10 ON THIS, AND IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S DIFFICULT. 
          WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, A MIXED USE PROJECT THAT DOESN'T HAVE AS MUCH RETAIL AS WE HAD HOPED. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S JUST KIND OF, THAT'S JUST THE, THE NATURE OF THE WORLD WE'RE LIVING IN THIS DAY. 
          AND THEN TO COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S, UM, REMARK ABOUT RETHINKING THIS, A DIFFERENT VISION, YOU KNOW, ON A SITE THAT IS A RESIDENTIAL SITE THAT HAS VIRTUALLY NO FRONTAGE ON LANCASTER. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER VISION YOU'RE GONNA BRING TO THIS. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT'S NOT A MIXED USE SITE. 
          UH, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE OTHER USES THAT YOU'RE GONNA BRING TO THIS SITE. 
          IT IS A RESIDENTIAL SITE. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I I I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT A CASE THAT JUST, THAT SHOULD BE APPROVED AND, AND, AND NOT SECOND GUESSED. 
          SO THANKS. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE GO TO THE VOTE, PLEASE? UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, THIS IS YOUR SECOND ROUND. 
          WE'LL CALL IT THE SECOND ROUND. 
          AND THEN I KNOW COMMISSIONER HERBERT, THAT YOU'RE ON YOUR SECOND. 
          I, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT, I, I BE, OFTENTIMES IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE AREA, OR YOU HAVEN'T 
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BEEN TO THE AREA, OR YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, YOU OFTEN DON'T UNDERSTAND THE REASONING. 
          FOR ME, THE REASONING IS PLAIN. 
          YES. 
          WE, UH, TODAY I JUST SO HAPPEN TO HAVE THREE, BUT THREE AND EIGHT HAVE HAD MULTIFAMILY, MULTIFAMILY, MULTIFAMILY, MULTIFAMILY. 
          UM, EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE OLD IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR. 
          THERE IS THIS SQUARE, THIS CIRCLE OF LAND AROUND A COLLEGE, UM, THAT PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO MOVE INTO AND, AND MAYBE, AND BE VIBRANT. 
          AND, AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BUILD SO THAT I CH SO THOSE KIDS WHO ARE GONNA COME HERE FROM OUTTA STATE, UM, THAT MIGHT STAY HERE. 
          OFTENTIMES WHEN PEOPLE GO TO SCHOOL OUTTA STATE OR GO FROM ANOTHER AREA, THEY END UP LIVING IN PROXIMITY TO THE COLLEGE THAT THEY WENT TO. 
          THERE IS A PLAN, AND IN THIS PLAN, IT DOES NOT CALL FOR MORE LIVE TECH HOUSING. 
          THIS IS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM HIGHLAND HILLS. 
          THIS IS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM, UM, WHERE THE CITY'S GANG ACTIVITY IS AT ITS HIGHEST WE NEED. 
          SO, AND WE ALSO SIT BETWEEN THE SUBURB, ALL THE SUBURBS. 
          PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THE SUBURBS TO LIVE. 
          WE WANNA BUILD SOMETHING IN DALLAS, IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR THAT PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO LIVE AND DON'T HAVE TO ALWAYS GO TO THE LOWEST A MI I'M GONNA SAY IT A THOUSAND TIMES. 
          IT'S THE A MI FOR ME, THAT THAT 30 TO TO 80% OR 60%, THAT'S TOO LOW FOR THIS AREA. 
          THIS COMMISSIONER IS TELLING YOU THAT HE HAS TALKED TO THE PEOPLE IN THE AREA, THE HOMEOWNERS IN THE AREA, THE SCHOOL, THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS WHO IS DOING THE SAME THING RIGHT DOWN THE STREET, WHO HAS OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR, I KNOW, 20 PLUS YEARS, WHO DECIDED TO SAY, HEY, I'M GONNA MOVE IN ANOTHER DIRECTION AND HELP WITH THE HOUSING CRISIS AND DID NOT CHOOSE TO GO THIS ROUTE. 
          SO WE CAN FIX IT UP EVERY KIND OF WAY WE WANT. 
          AT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IT IS PRETTY MUCH BOILING DOWN TO THIS A MI AND WE WANT SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT IF WE WANT WORKFORCE HOUSING MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE LOWEST LEVEL. 
          AND WHATEVER HAPPENS IN OTHER DISTRICTS, I CAN UNDERSTAND, BUT JUST BECAUSE WE'RE NOT LAYING LOCK DON'T MEAN WE SHOULD GET ALL, WE SHOULD HAVE TO HAVE LOCK TECH PROJECTS. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHEELER. 
          UH, BEFORE WE GO TO COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I'M KEEPING TRACK HERE. 
          THAT WAS, THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE THIRD ROUND. 
          SO IF ANYBODY WANTS A THIRD ROUND, WE CAN GO THERE. 
          COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, AND THEN, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I THINK YOU'RE ON YOUR THIRD. 
          I GOT SOME ON MY THIRD, BUT I'LL, I'LL KEEP IT, UH, VERY BRIEF HERE, PLEASE. 
          AND, AND I DO RESPECT, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER SIDE IN, IN YOUR PERSPECTIVE, BUT I'M NOT TELLING ANYBODY WHAT I THINK I'M TELLING EVERYBODY WHAT I KNOW PASSES THIS PROLOGUE AND THE, THE CONCEPT THAT WE ARE GOING TO BUILD TOWN HOMES AFTER WE BUILD THIS, UH, THE MULTIFAMILY, I'M TRYING TO STAY AWAY FROM THE, THE FINANCIAL PIECE TO IT. 
          IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. 
          IT HAS NOT HAPPENED IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          WE'VE BEEN SOLD THOSE BILL OF GOODS SEVERAL TIMES AND IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. 
          IT, IT'S JUST A WAY, UH, TO, TO MAKE THE BODY FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THEY ARE BRINGING IN SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE COULD ACTUALLY ACQUIRE. 
          BUT IT, IT HASN'T, IT HASN'T BORNE OUT THAT WAY. 
          AND THAT THE THREAT THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, I, I'VE, I'VE TALKED TO DEVELOPERS, I'VE, I'VE SAT IN ON DEVELOPER MEETINGS FOR THE REDBIRD, UH, PROJECT THAT WE ARE STRONGLY TRYING TO REDEVELOP IN IN DISTRICT EIGHT. 
          THOSE ARE THE ISSUES. 
          THE INCOME BASIS ARE THE ISSUES OF WHY WE CAN'T BRING IN THE RETAIL. 
          IT'S NOT JUST RETAIL MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE, THESE ARE JOBS WHEN, WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE AND WORK IN THE SAME PLACE, IN THE SAME AREA, WHETHER IT'S, WHETHER IT IS RETAIL, WHETHER IT'S RESTAURANTS, OR IF THERE'S SOME TYPE OF, OF OFFICE BUILDING PEOPLE, THESE RETAILERS OR COMMERCIAL OWNERS DON'T WANNA MOVE UNTIL THOSE PLACES. 
          AND THEN WE'RE, WE'RE BACK TO WHERE WE STARTED, WHERE WE HAVE THIS, THE, THE NEW GRAVITY, WHICH WILL BE LOW INCOME HOUSING AND NOTHING ELSE BESIDES IT. 
          THANKS. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT, FOLLOW UP. 
          COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. 
          I'LL TRY TO MAKE THIS SIMPLE. 
          UM, I DON'T BELIEVE IN CREATING ENVIRONMENTS WHERE PEOPLE CAN'T THRIVE. 
          AND WHEN WE RESTRICT INCOMES, TO ME, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. 
          LAND USE SHOULD NEVER BE PREDICTED ON PRESERVING THE 
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ECONOMIC IMPACT OF PEOPLE. 
          UM, OUR ZONING TWOS MUST ENABLE NEIGHBORHOODS TO EVOLVE WITH RANGE OF HOUSING TYPES, INCOME LEVELS, AND COMMUNITY NEEDS. 
          I HAVE SAID THAT OVER AND OVER MIXED PROJECTS MAKE MORE SENSE, ESPECIALLY IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR. 
          UM, THIS IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM THE PINKS, THE YELLOWS, THE BROWNS, AND THE OTHER, UM, HISTORICALLY BAD DECISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE FOR OUR SOUTHERN SECTOR. 
          SO I, I, I DON'T THINK I CAN SUPPORT, UM, CREATING MORE OF THAT IN THIS, IN THIS AREA OF THE CITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. 
          SAME. 
          UH, WE'VE BEEN DOING THINGS THE SAME WAY AND GETTING THE SAME RESULTS FOR DECADES IN DALLAS. 
          IF WE WANNA SEE A DIFFERENT SOUTHERN DALLAS, WE HAVE TO START DOING THINGS DIFFERENTLY. 
          AND THAT STARTS WITH STOP DUMPING ALL THE LITECH IN A COUPLE OF AREAS OF THE CITY. 
          THAT MEANS STOP DUMPING IT IN DISTRICT THREE AND DISTRICT EIGHT AND PRETENDING LIKE IT CAN'T GO ANYWHERE ELSE. 
          SO I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, LET'S TAKE A RECORD VOTE, PLEASE. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE RANDOM. 
          DISTRICT THREE Y UH, YEAH. 
          Y DISTRICT TWO? YES. 
          DISTRICT SEVEN? YES. 
          DISTRICT NINE. 
          DISTRICT EIGHT? YES. 
          DISTRICT SIX? YES. 
          DISTRICT FOUR? YES. 
          DISTRICT ONE? YES. 
          DISTRICT 13? YES. 
          DISTRICT 11 ABSENT. 
          DISTRICT 14? YES. 
          DISTRICT 12? YES. 
          IN PLACE. 
          15. 
          NO, YOU FORGOT ME. 
          I'M A NO. 
          IN DISTRICT FIVE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND 10. 
          OH AND 10. 
          DISTRICT 10 AS WELL. 
          DISTRICT 10? NO. 
          DISTRICT FIVE? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          LET'S GO TO NUMBER 10. 
          ITEM 10 
          [10. An application for an NS(A) Neighborhood Service District or a CR  Community Retail District with Deed Restrictions volunteered by the  applicant on property zoned a R-10(A) Single Family District, on the  Northeast corner of Webb Chapel Road and Royal Lane.]
IS Z 2 45. 
          1 43. 
          IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN NSA NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT, OR A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH THE RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT ON PROPERTY ZONE. 
          A R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF WEBB CHAPEL ROAD AND ROYAL LANE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED NSA NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THE APPLICANT HERE. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE HEARD? YES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES. 
          THIS IS MR. STACEY. 
          YES, YES. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS WILL STACEY. 
          I'M THE MANAGING MEMBER OF STACEY FAMILY CAPITAL, THE OWNER AND PROPERTY OF 32 0 1 ROYAL LANE. 
          UH, THIS IS A VACANT LOT, THE AT THE CORNER OF ROYAL LANE AND WEBB CHAPEL. 
          IT PREVIOUSLY HELD A, A DETERIORATING AND UNSAFE HOME THAT I HAD DEMOLISHED THAT IT WAS AS IT WAS UNREPAIRABLE. 
          UH, ALL THROUGH OTHER CORNERS OF THIS INTERSECTION ARE NON-RESIDENTIAL. 
          I'M RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING A ZONING CHANGE FROM SINGLE FAMILY TO NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES WITH STRICT DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTARILY OFFERED BY US TO LIMIT INTENSITY, PROTECT NEIGHBORS, AND ENSURE HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          THESE RESTRICTIONS INCLUDE A 35 FOOT BUILDING HEIGHT, A MAXIMUM 3,500 SQUARE FOOT, UH, TOTAL FLOOR, A 50 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE NORTHEAST PROPERTY LINE ADJACENT TO THE HOMES, A SCREENING WALL AND TREE BUFFER ALONG THE RESIDENTIAL SIDES, AND PROHIBITED USE LIKE GAS STATIONS, LIQUOR STORES, ET CETERA. 
          UH, LET ME ALSO SAY I'M PERSONALLY INVESTED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I SERVE ON THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES AT THE CAMBRIDGE SCHOOL OF DALLAS FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS. 
          THE SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET THAT WE JUST BUILT, UH, FROM THIS PROPERTY. 
          I ALSO OWN TWO HOMES SOUTH OF ROYAL. 
          UH, SO THIS ISN'T A FLIP AND LEAVE PROJECT FOR ME. 
          THIS IS A, AN OUTCOME THAT I, UH, PERSONALLY HAVE DEVELOPMENT IN. 
          I'M COMMITTED TO MAKING THIS AN ASSET FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT WE'VE HOSTED TWO COMMUNITY TOWN HALLS AND MADE MULTIPLE REVISIONS TO OUR PLANS. 
          IN RESPONSE TO THE FEEDBACK WE'VE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS, LOUD AND CLEAR, NO DRIVE-THROUGHS, NO LATE NIGHT TRAFFIC, AND KEEP IT AT A NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE OF THE FORWARD DALLAS 
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2.0. 
          UH, PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AS NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE, SUPPORTING SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL THAT SERVES THE NEARBY HOMES. 
          THIS DOES EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THAT, WITH THAT FORWARD, UH, DALLAS 2.0 PLAN. 
          THIS CORNER IS BOUND BY, UH, ON THE WEST, BY EXISTING RETAIL, SOUTHWEST BY COMMERCIAL OFFICES, AND DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET WITH CAMBRIDGE, THE SCHOOL OF DALLAS, WITH MULTIPLE BUILDINGS IN PARKING LOTS. 
          SO YOU BELIEVE THE REZONING, UH, WITH THE CONDITIONS WE'VE PLACED, STRIKES THE RIGHT BALANCE BETWEEN REVITALIZING A LONG VACANT HOME AND RESPECTING OUR NEIGHBORS. 
          UH, IT WILL CREATE JOBS, INCREASE THE TAX BASE, AND OFFER SERVICES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT OVER COMMERCIALIZING THE CORNER. 
          SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU FOR HEARING US TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LET'S GO TO OUR NEXT SPEAKER ONLINE. 
          MR. DING, CAN YOU HEAR ME? OH, THERE IT IS. 
          YES, WE CAN. 
          UH, J DRY LANE. 
          MY ADDRESS IS 33 39 REGENT DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS. 
          UH, THERE'S SO MUCH TRAFFIC IN STREET RACING AT NIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION, WHICH ALREADY HAS COMMERCIAL. 
          ON THE OTHER THREE CORNERS, I FEEL SINGLE FAMILY ZONING IS NOT VIABLE, AND ZONING SHOULD BE CHANGED TO THE PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT. 
          UH, HOPEFULLY NEW RETAIL THERE WOULD HELP ENTICE OR THE LARGE SHOPPING CENTER ACROSS THE STREET TO UP UPGRADE OR RENOVATE CURRENT STRUCTURES AND BRING IN MORE ELEVATED TENANTS FOR THE GOOD OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          MR. CRAWLEY. 
          CARL CRAWLEY, 33 33 WELBURN. 
          UM, I THINK I, I JUST HIT THE SHARE BUTTON, RIGHT? HANG ON. 
          HE'S NOT LISTENING TO ME. 
          CAN Y'ALL SEE, CAN I HIT THE SHARE BUTTON, RIGHT? WELL, I HIT THE SHARE BUTTON. 
          I THOUGHT I HAD IT, GUYS. 
          SORRY, IT'S ON MY SCREEN. 
          I GOT UP TO MY SCREEN. 
          ONE STEP. 
          OH, THAT SHARE BUTTON? YEAH, THAT ONE. 
          OH, THAT SHARE BUTTON. 
          I'M JUST, I HAD A PROBLEM WITH SHARING A KINDERGARTEN, I GUESS. 
          NEVER GOT ON THERE. 
          YOU OKAY. 
          UM, SO, UM, I'M, I'M GONNA SKIP A BUNCH OF SLIDES HERE. 
          THE ZONING, TODAY'S R 10, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'VE HAD, UM, AS WILL MENTIONED, WILL IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. 
          I, I WANT TO THANK WILL, WILL IS ACTUALLY WORKS IN CHINA AND IS SPEAKING FROM CHINA TODAY. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A FIRST FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO HAVE SOMEONE FROM CHINA SPEAK ONLINE TO US. 
          SO, UM, BUT HE DOES, HE DOES OWN IT AT THE PROPERTY, AND HE IS MENTIONED THE, THE OTHER STUFF IN THE AREA. 
          SO, UM, WE, WE ORIGINALLY STARTED WITH A CR DISTRICT. 
          WE'RE NOW AN NS DISTRICT WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          UM, WILL MENTIONED THE TWO MEETINGS WE HAD. 
          THE SECOND MEETING WE WENT TO, UM, I GUESS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. 
          I THINK THAT WAS IT. 
          UM, WE, UH, I GAVE A LIST OF ALL THE USES ALLOWED TO THE NS PEOPLE. 
          I SAID, OKAY, GUYS, HERE'S YOUR CHANCE. 
          I DIDN'T GIVE YOU RED PEN, BUT FIND A PEN AND CROSS OUT THE THINGS. 
          SO WE'VE ACTUALLY ADDED TO THE LIST OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED. 
          AND THEN, UM, I, I WON'T GO OVER IT. 
          YOU HAVE ALL THIS IN YOUR DOCKET MATERIAL. 
          UM, 3,500 SQUARE FEET, TWO STORIES, 35 FEET, UM, FRONT YARD ON DAMON, THE, UH, 30 FEET, WHICH IS MATCHES THE, THE OTHER LOT, NO ACCESS TO DAMON STREET, WHICH IS THE RESIDENTIAL STREET. 
          AND THEN I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT WAS MENTIONED IS A 50 FOOT SETBACK FROM OUR CLOSEST, CLOSEST NEIGHBOR. 
          UM, WHICH, UM, RIGHT NOW THE ONLY ACCESS POINT WILL BE ABLE TO GET US ON WEB CHAPEL BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE OF, UH, ROYAL LANE. 
          SO THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          AND THEN THE ACTIVITIES AT NIGHT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          UM, I, I, THESE ARE SOME MORE THINGS IN THE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT WILL MENTION NO, NO DRIVE-THROUGHS, LIMIT HOUR OPERATION, ADDITIONAL SCREENING. 
          THEY'RE ALL IN THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          I WANT TO GET INTO, UH, WILL, UH, THE OWNER HAD SOME RENDERINGS MADE OF SOME POSSIBLE IDEAS WE DISCUSSED. 
          AND, AND THERE'S NOTHING MAGICAL. 
          A, A COFFEE SHOP, UH, SOME LITTLE MEETING ROOMS. UM, THE, THE NEIGHBORS ASKED US TO GET RID OF DRY CLEANING, UH, DROP OFF LOCATION, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          I EVEN WENT IN AND DEFINED ON THE MEDICAL CLINIC THAT IT CAN'T BE A BIG MEDICAL CLINIC, SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A, A PRI OF CARE OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, WHICH HAS A LOT OF TRAFFIC. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE DEED RESTRICTION TO KEEP IT SMALL SCALE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING, UH, A WALKUP POTENTIAL TO IT. 
          UH, MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE SORT OF A SITTING AREA AS THIS SHOWS MAYBE A LITTLE PLAYGROUND AREA. 
          THERE ARE A LOT OF YOUNG FAMILIES IN THE AREA THAT IS SORT OF, UH, CHANGING OVER THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF ROYAL AND ALSO ON THE 
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SOUTH SIDE OF ROYAL LANE TOO. 
          SO, UM, JUST SOME RENDERINGS THAT WE WENT THROUGH. 
          UM, I DID HAVE A VIDEO ON HERE, BUT IT TOOK UP SO MANY GIGABYTES. 
          I DIDN'T PUT IT IN THERE, BUT, BUT THE IDEA IS TO MAKE IT A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING, OBVIOUSLY NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING DEVELOPMENT AND STUFF. 
          SO, UM, I'D LOVE TO SAY WE HAVE ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN SUPPORT. 
          UM, I THINK WE, WE'VE MOVED THE NEEDLE A LITTLE BIT IN OUR FAVOR AND EXPLAINED TO THEM WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF EXPLAINING ON THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, AND THE CITY IS IN CHARGE OF THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS, UM, AND, AND WOULD LIMIT THEM THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND THINGS OF THAT, AND WOULD BE IN THE ENFORCEMENT, UH, MECHANISM OF IT. 
          SO, UM, OTHERWISE I'M GONNA, UH, LEAVE IT LIKE THAT. 
          OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A LOT OF DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          UM, I'M WILLING TO ANSWER WHATEVER YOU WANT. 
          UH, STAFF IS GOOD WITHOUT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          WE JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE PROMISED THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          SHE WAS GIVING ME THE LOOK. 
          AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? YES, MA'AM. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS LAUREN HENDRICKS. 
          I LIVE AT 32 20 DOTHAN LANE. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY. 
          I RECOGNIZE AND APPRECIATE THE CITY'S EFFORTS TO BALANCE REDEVELOPMENT WITH NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE BROADER VISION. 
          I'VE READ BOTH CPC STAFF REPORTS AS WELL AS THE FORWARD DALLAS 2.0 PLAN. 
          STILL, I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO DENY THE REZONING REQUEST. 
          AND MOST NEARBY COMMERCIAL INTERSECTIONS DEVELOPMENTS ARE SEPARATED FROM HOMES BY TALL FENCING OR MEANINGFUL VISUAL BUFFERS. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, THE RECENTLY REZONED LOT AT ROYAL AND THE TOLLWAY INCLUDES A SUBSTANTIAL FENCE LINE BOUNDARY. 
          THAT KIND OF SEPARATION DOESN'T EXIST HERE, AND YOU DON'T BELIEVE MR. STACEY'S PROPOSAL PROVIDES A SUFFICIENT ALTERNATIVE. 
          WHATEVER'S BUILT HERE WILL BECOME PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN A VERY DIRECT WAY. 
          TRAFFIC IS ANOTHER CONCERN. 
          32 0 1 ROYAL SITS AT THE TIP OF A NARROW RESIDENTIAL STRIP, ALMOST AN ISLAND AT THE EDGE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WHILE DRIVERS FROM THE EAST SOUTH WEST CAN ACCESS THE SITE VIA WEB CHAPEL, VEHICLES FROM THE NORTH ARE LIKELY TO TURN DOWN TOWNSEND LOOP AROUND DAMON, OR PARK ALONG DAMON LANE. 
          AND IF PARKING IS FULLER, THE ENTRANCE IS BLOCKED, CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC BECOMES A REAL POSSIBILITY. 
          COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS HAS, UH, SAID THAT THIS LOT MAY NOT BE SUITABLE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME DUE TO ITS LOCATION ON TWO BUSY ROADS. 
          AND I AGREE, BUT IF THAT LOGIC JUSTIFIES REZONING HERE, IT RAISES SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SMALL GROUP OF HOMES BACKING UP TO WEB CHAPEL REZONING. 
          THIS ONE LOT SETS A PRECEDENT AND ADDING COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY WON'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM. 
          IT WILL INTENSIFY IT. 
          WE ALSO HAVEN'T FULLY EXPLORED WHETHER, UH, MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING MIGHT BE A BETTER FIT FORWARD. 
          DALLAS SUPPORTS THAT DIRECTION AND COUNCIL WOMEN AND WILLIS HAS ADVOCATED FOR MORE MISS MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES ROW HOUSES. 
          I AGREE. 
          AND I BELIEVE HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING CAN SUPPORT A MORE EQUITABLE AND SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, I THINK WE'VE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB GOING OVER DEED RESTRICTIONS, UM, AS NEIGHBORS. 
          SO I WON'T REALLY GO INTO ANYMORE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I REALLY HAVE, LIKE, I'VE LISTENED TO Y'ALL AND I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE, AND I JUST TRUST THAT EVEN IF THE OUTCOME ISN'T WHAT I WANT. 
          YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN REALLY GREAT, REALLY THOUGHTFUL, VERY CONSIDERATE. 
          I'VE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? I DO. 
          MR. CHAIR, UH, IN THE MATTER OF CASE Z 2 45 DASH 1 43, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM SUBJECT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES SUBJECT TO THE APPLICANT'S DEED RESTRICTIONS POSTED ON JULY 10TH, 2025. 
          AND IF I GET A SECOND, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER FLANK FRANKLIN FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS, DISCUSSION QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER HALL. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'VE JUST STARTED A DISTRICT 13 CASE FOR THE REZONING OF A SINGLE FAMILY LOT TO NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. 
          THIS CASE INVOLVES A RESIDENTIAL LOT THAT SITS AT AN INTERSECTION OF TWO VERY BUSY MAJOR ARTERIALS TO THE WEST IS RETAIL TO THE SOUTHWEST OFFICE TO THE SO OF PRIVATE SCHOOL. 
          AS YOU HEARD, THIS IS AN ODD SHAPE LOT IN THAT IT IS BORDERED BY THREE SIDES ON CITY STREETS, TWO PRIMARY ARTERIALS AND ONE LOCAL STREET, AND HAS BEEN OFFERED FOR RESIDENTIAL USE WITHOUT GENERATING INTEREST FROM HOME BUILDERS. 
          UH, IT IS HOWEVER OF INTEREST TO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPERS BOTH FORWARD DALLAS 2 0 0 6 AND 2.0 SHOW LOTS LIKE THIS AS GOOD CANDIDATES FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL 
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DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE ORIGINAL REQUEST TO REZONE THE COMMUNITY RETAIL STAFF RECOMMENDED DENIAL BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THERE IS CR ZONING IN A RETAIL STRIP CONFIGURATION, IMMEDIATELY WEST CR FOUND WAS FOUND TO BE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH AND EAST STAFF DID FEEL, HOWEVER THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES WOULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE OPTION AND HAS NOW RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. 
          DURING TWO WELL-ATTENDED NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, THE APPLICANT AND REPRESENTATIVE WORKED OUT THAT DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE ACCEPTABLE TO SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS. 
          NOTE THAT OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS INSISTED THAT THE LOT SHOULD REMAIN A SINGLE FAMILY ONLY. 
          AND AS MOST MOST CASES WE SEE THERE'S BOTH SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION. 
          I SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AS I FEEL THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES IS A GOOD OPTION FOR A LOT NO LONGER DESIRABLE FOR SENIOR FAMILY USE. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT'S VISION OF A COFFEE SHOP LIKE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE ZONING AND THE PROPOSED DEED RESTRICTIONS WILL LIMIT THE IMPACT OF NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FROM ALL THAT, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. 
          MR. CARLEY, WOULD YOU POST THE LIST OF DEED RESTRICTIONS, UM, THAT YOU HAD IN YOUR PRESENTATION? BECAUSE IT SEEMED TO ME YOU WERE REFERENCING DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE NOT LISTED IN, IN, AT LEAST WHAT I HAVE THAT SAYS AT THE SEVEN 10 POSTING. 
          I KNOW YOU SAID SOMETHING AND, AND, AND I'LL BE HONEST, THEY MAY NOT BE JUST 'CAUSE THIS WAS FROM OUR PRESENTATION BEFORE, I THINK. 
          OKAY. 
          I'VE, I'VE ADDED TO THEM, I WOULD GUESS BECAUSE WE HAVE ONLY EIGHT, EIGHT DEED RESTRICTIONS HERE, AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH MORE THAN THAT. 
          SO WHERE YOU HAVE NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND AND PAR UH, PARKING MUST BE SCREENED, SECURITY LIGHTING, NO OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I, I APOLOGIZE. 
          AND, AND I GUESS, UH, THEY, THEY FELL OFF OF THAT AND DIDN'T GET ONTO THIS. 
          I, UM, I WILL LIST. 
          SO I, I KNOW THE ONES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, WE WILL ALSO AGREE, AND I'M SUPPOSED TO SAY THIS ON THE RECORD, UH, NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND. 
          UH, THE PARKING SCREENING IS IN THERE. 
          SECURITY LIGHTING WILL BE SHIELDED IN A MAXIMUM HEIGHT TO 10 FEET. 
          UH, NO OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES OR BUSINESS OPEN AFTER NINE OR BEFORE 7:00 AM I THINK THAT COVERS ALL OF THOSE. 
          WELL, I, I, YOU HAVE PROHIBIT ACCESS TO DAMON LANE, WHICH DOESN'T APPEAR OVER THERE THAT I, IF IT'S NOT IN THERE, I'M SHOCKED THAT IT'S NOT IN THERE. 
          BUT YES, NO ACCESS TO DAMON LANE. 
          COULD YOU JUST READ ALL OF THEM? WOULD YOU LIKE TO JUST READ THE, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS OR OFFERING THAT'S THE BEST THING TO DO? I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE CLEANEST. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          THERE WAS TWO PEOPLE TALKING. 
          READ THEM ALL IN PLEASE, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, STARTING AT THE BEGINNING ON ON, ON YOUR PAGE 10 OR 10 19, UH, FOLLOWING MAIN USES, AND I'M NOT GONNA GO OVER ALL THOSE DEFINITIONS. 
          I'M NOT GONNA READ ALL THAT, IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          UM, FOLLOWING MAIN USES OF PROHIBITED GAS DRILLING AND PRODUCTION, TEMPORARY CONCRETE OR ASPHALT BATCHING PLANTS, CEMETERY MAUSOLEUM, COLLEGE, UNIVERSITY, OR SEMINARY, ATTACHED NON-PREMISE SIGN, CARNIVAL CIRCUS, TEMPORARY COUNTRY CLUB OR PRIVATE MEMBERSHIP COLLEGE DORMITORY, FRATERNITY OR SORORITY HOUSE, DRY CLEANING, A LAUNDRY STORE, MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION, TRANSIT PASSENGER STATION OR TRANSFER CENTER, ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION, POLICE OR FIRE STATION, POST OFFICE, RADIO, TELEVISION OR MICROWAVE TOWER. 
          TOWER ANTENNA FOR CELLULAR COMMUNICATION. 
          UTILITY GOVERNMENT INSTALLATION OF ENLISTING RECYCLING, DROP OFF CONTAINER RECYCLING DROP OFF FOR SPECIAL OCCASION COLLECTION. 
          THE FOLLOWING USES ARE DEFINED AND PROHIBITED. 
          I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO THE LONG LENGTH OF TATTOO OR BO OR BODY PIERCING STUDIO, MATO MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT AND TOBACCO SHOP. 
          ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS, UM, GENERAL MERCHANDISE AND FOOD STORE. 
          3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS IS LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM TOTAL FLOOR AREA OF 2000 SQUARE FEET. 
          MEDICAL CLINIC OR AMBULATORY SURGICAL CENTER IS LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA OF 1500 SQUARE FEET PER SINGLE OCCUPANCY. 
          MAXIMUM HEIGHT ACTUALLY IS, IS 35 FEET MINIMUM SETBACK, UH, 50 FEET FROM THE NORTHEAST PROPERTY LINE. 
          MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA IS 3,500 SQUARE FEET SOLID. 
          SCREENING WITH A MINIMUM HEIGHT OF SIX FEET MUST BE PROVIDED ALONG THE NORTHEAST PROPERTY LINE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE REQUIRED FRONT YARD ON DAMON LANE WITH WHERE THE SOLID SCREENING MUST BE. 
          A MINIMUM HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET TREES TO THE MINIMUM DIAMETER OF THREE INCH CALIBER INCHES MUST BE PLANTED ALONG THE NORTHEAST PROPERTY LINE WITH A MAXIMUM SPACING OF 25 FEET ON CENTER PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CO FOR ANY USE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          SURFACE PARKING, LANDSCAPING SCREENING MUST COMPLY WITH, WITH SECTION 51 A 13.408 C FOUR, WHICH IS SAYS I HAVE TO HAVE THREE FEET OF LAND OF SCREENING EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT REQUIRED BECAUSE THERE'S A STREET BREAKING IT. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. 
          NOW WE'LL GO TO THIS OTHER LIST OVER HERE AND I'LL READ THOSE INTO THE RECORD. 
          UM, NO, UM, FRONT YARD SETBACK ON DAMON IS 30 FEET, UM, MINIMUM. 
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I'VE ALREADY GOT THAT MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE, 25% MAXIMUM NON PERIAL SURFACE 80%. 
          UM, NO OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES OR BUSINESS OPEN AFTER 9:00 PM OR BEFORE 7:00 AM SECURITY LIGHTING MUST BE SHIELDED WITH A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 10 FEET. 
          UH, THAT PARKING SCREENING IS ALREADY IN THERE. 
          UM, NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND AND NO ACCESS TO, UH, DAMON LANE. 
          I BELIEVE THAT COVERS IT ALL. 
          DID YOU COVER, UH, NO DRIVE THROUGH, NO GAS STATION, CONVENIENCE STORE ALCOHOL SALES. 
          WAS THAT IN THE PREVIOUS LIST? UH, THAT'S VEHICLE, VEHICLE SALES AND STUFF IN THERE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN DEED RESTRICTIONS WILL BE BETWEEN THE OWNER AND THE CITY AND WILL BE ENFORCED BY THE CITY. 
          THAT'S JUST STANDARD TEXT THAT'S GONNA BE ADDED? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          YEAH, IT WILL BE ON STANDARD CITY LANGUAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, AS BEST AS I CAN TELL THAT, THAT SEEMS NO, I I, I TOTALLY APOLOGIZE BETWEEN THAT LIST AND THIS LIST AND 'CAUSE THO THOSE ACTUALLY THINGS MADE THE LIST FROM THE PREVIOUS DEED RESTRICTIONS, NOT THE 10TH ONE. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          SO I APOLOGIZE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD, OKAY, I, I DIDN'T KEEP TRACK, BUT YOU, EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THIS, THIS SLIDE HERE, YOU READ INTO THE RECORD? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          OR, OR IT'S IN THIS SET THAT OKAY. 
          YEAH, I READ OVER THERE. 
          YEAH, IT'S EITHER, IT'S ONLY ONE, A COMBINATION OF TWO. 
          YES, YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, WHAT'S THE LOT SIZE? IT'S ABOUT 21,000 SQUARE FEET ISH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR CITY ATTORNEY, IF WE CHANGE THE, UM, ZONING TO NSA, UM, IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO SB EIGHT 40, RIGHT? I THINK SHE STEPPED AWAY, BUT THE ANSWERS, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WOULD THE DEED RESTRICTIONS STILL BE APPLICABLE UNDER SV EIGHT 40? THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS WOULD APPLY TO COMMERCIAL. 
          THEY CAN APPLY TO COMMERCIAL USES. 
          THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS WE COULDN'T RESTRICT TO MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. 
          THESE ARE, IF, IF IT'S A, IT'S A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, A HUNDRED PERCENT APPLICABLE, SOME OF THE THINGS MAY NOT BE, UM, MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY SB EIGHT 40 IN, IN, FOR A MULTIFAMILY ONLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IN THE FUTURE, WE ARE, WE, THIS IS CURRENTLY ZONED RESIDENTIAL IN THE FUTURE, IF WE CHANGE THIS TO COMMERCIAL ZONING, NSA, UM, SOMEONE COULD, FOR EXAMPLE, OVERRIDE THE DEED RESTRICTIONS ON HEIGHT AND SETBACKS, RIGHT? IF THEY WERE TO, UH, ADD MULTIFAMILY OR CONVERT IT TO MULTIFAMILY AS IF MULTIFAMILY IS THE PRIMARY USE IN THAT SCENARIO. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE TO MEET EIGHT 40, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          YES. 
          UHHUH, , LET ME ASK, COULD WE PUT A RESTRICTION TO SAY NO STRUCTURE VERSUS JUST COMMERCIAL BECAUSE THE SETBACKS REALLY ARE STRUCTURES NOT USES? I, I, YEAH, THAT'S THAT GRAY AREA THAT I'M NOT SURE. 
          I'M NOT SURE WE CAN DO THAT. 
          WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO GET AT? WELL, BUT, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT SHE, WHAT YOU WERE COMMISSIONER KINGSTON WAS TRYING TO GET AT IS THE SETBACK, PROBABLY NOT THE USES BECAUSE THAT YOU CAN'T CONTROL THE, THIS WHAT IS, WHAT, WHAT DOES SB EIGHT 40 REGULATE? UH, IT, IT OVERRIDES HEIGHT, IT OVERRIDES, UM, UNIT DENSITY. 
          IT OVERRIDES CERTAIN SETBACKS TO, TO 25 FEET. 
          UH, IT DOESN'T OVERRIDE, UH, LANDSCAPING SCREENING, FOR EXAMPLE, AND FENCING. 
          THOSE THINGS ARE STILL ABLE TO BE FAIRLY ENFORCED IN THE, IN, IN THE WAY THAT WE HAVE THEM. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, UH, LET ME PULL UP HIS REPORT. 
          UH, HIS LANDSCAPING SCREENING, UM, HIS TREE REQUIREMENTS CAN, I PRESUME, CAN STILL BE ENFORCED. 
          THERE'S NO REASON THAT'S NOT THERE. 
          UM, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS STILL APPLICABLE BECAUSE OF THE, THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT SB EIGHT 40, IT DOESN'T OVERTURN ALL ZONING, BUT IT SAYS YOU CAN'T DO CERTAIN SETBACKS, CERTAIN HEIGHTS CERTAIN FAR. 
          BUT IF WE WERE TO, IF SOMEONE WERE TO SAY, LOOK, THIS DOESN'T WORK FOR SINGLE FAMILY ANYMORE, BUT WE WANT TO CONVERT THIS TO MF TWO, THEN THE CONFINES OF MF TWO WOULD APPLY TO THIS LOT. 
          BUT IF WE CONVERT THIS TO NSA, ALL OF THE SUDDEN SOMEONE, A LOT OF THE PROMISES BEING MADE WITH THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS, LIKE SOME OF THESE FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT SETBACKS AND THE HEIGHT, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THOSE WOULD NOT BE ENFORCEABLE BY THE CITY ANYMORE. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, GIVEN THAT ANSWER, I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT SUBJECTS THESE NEARBY 
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NEIGHBORS TO SOME UNCERTAINTY THAT, THAT THEY'RE NOT BARGAINING FOR WITH THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO COME BACK AND SAY, UM, IT'S NO LONGER APPROPRIATE FOR SINGLE FAMILY, BUT THEY WANT SOME SORT OF MULTI-FAMILY USE IN THE FUTURE, THAT I THINK MIGHT BE MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION BY, UH, COMMISSIONER HALL, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, UH, WITH THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AS READ INTO THE RECORD BY, UH, THE APPLICANT AS WELL AS THOSE INCLUDED. 
          UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? WE HAVE TWO IN OPPOSITION. 
          COMMISSIONER FOR COMMISSIONER KING. 
          PARDON ME. 
          DISTRICT 12 AS WELL. 
          COMMISSIONER HAWK. 
          OKAY. 
          THREE IN OPPOSITION. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          WE'LL GO TO NUMBER 11. 
          ITEM NUMBER 11. 
          [11. An application for a MU-3 Mixed Use District, with consideration of  FWMU-5 Form subdistrict, on property zoned FWMU-3 Form subdistrict  with a shopfront overlay within Planned Development District No. 595 South Dallas/Fair Park Special Purpose District, on the north corner of  Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd. and Colonial Ave.]
ITEM NUMBER 11 IS Z 2 4 5 200. 
          IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN M AN MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT WITH CONSIDERATION FOR AN F WM U FIVE FORM SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED F WM U THREE FORM SUBDISTRICT WITH A SHOPFRONT OVERLAY ON PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 9 5 SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE NORTH CORNER OF MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD AND COLONIAL AVENUE STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF AN FWMU FIVE FORM SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PD 5 9 5. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IT SAYS ITEM NUMBER 11 ON PAGE FIVE OF THE AGENDA. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          HI, NICOLE RAFIEL. 
          UM, 5, 5 6 AND WENDY LANE, DESOTO, TEXAS. 
          UM, I WORK FOR ST. 
          PHILIPS SCHOOL AND COMMUNITY CENTER IN THE AREA OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UM, PROGRAM MANAGER. 
          UM, I WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSIONER FOR, UM, MAKING CERTAIN THAT COMMISSIONER TABITHA WHEELER REAGAN TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT, UH, THE COMMUNITY WAS, WAS MADE AWARE OF, OF UM, WHAT'S ABOUT TO COME OR WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AS IT RELATES TO, UM, THIS HIGH RISE. 
          AND SO I WAS VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE MEETING THAT OCCURRED LAST NIGHT. 
          IT WAS THE SECOND ONE. 
          IT WAS A LITTLE CLOSE ONE RIGHT BEFORE THIS MEETING. 
          UM, PART OF THE QUESTION THAT I ASKED LAST NIGHT THAT, THAT HAD ME A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED. 
          OH, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, AS IT RELATES TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WORK, UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF YEARS OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WORK IN OUR PORTION OF SOUTH DALLAS AS IT RELATES TO EQUITABLE DEVELOPMENT ALONGSIDE OF CORNERSTONE FOREST FORWARD AND OTHER PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS AROUND THE AREA. 
          UM, AS IT RELATES TO, UM, THE AREA PLANNING, UM, WE'VE BEEN A PART OF MAKING CERTAIN THAT, UM, COMMUNITY VOICES HAVE BEEN INSERTED WITH THE, THE COMMUNITY PLANNING PROCESS. 
          AND SO AS IT RELATES TO THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED WAS CLARITY ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING TODAY VERSUS WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED. 
          AND SO, UM, THE ORGANIZERS, OR RATHER THE, THE, THE, THE SPONSORS OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT NOTED THAT, UM, THEY WERE INTERESTED IN GUARDING HIGHER 25 FEET. 
          THEY GAVE A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO. 
          THE CONCERN AND QUESTION IS, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOR FIVE FEET, OR NOT FIVE FEET, BUT FIVE STORIES VERSUS THE 25 STORIES. 
          LEMME GET MY WORDS CORRECT. 
          AND I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND FROM Y'ALL'S PERSPECTIVE OR FROM THE PLAINTIFF'S PERSPECTIVE, UM, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN WHEN THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR SOMETHING GREATER? UM, YOU TYPICALLY SEE, OR IN OUR AREA YOU SEE THAT CLOSER TO, YOU KNOW, A DARK STATION OR, OR ANY, ANY AREAS YOU SEE THAT HAPPENING CLOSER TO A DARK STATION. 
          BUT 5 95 THE MAX IS THREE STORIES. 
          AND SO JUST GETTING THAT KIND OF CLARITY AS YOU ALL HAVE YOUR DISCUSSIONS, WILL BE HELPFUL IN OUR UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHAT IT IS YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH VERSUS WHAT IT IS THAT THE APPLICANT IS WANTING TO, WANTING TO ACCOMPLISH. 
          BUT IF YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, OR IF YOU HAVE NOT HAD HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE MEETING WINNER'S ASSEMBLY HAS ON THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE, THE MEETING ITSELF, AND IT WAS JUST NOTED THAT, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT WAS EXPRESSED. 
          SO AS YOU 
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MAKE YOUR DECISIONS TODAY, MY ASK IS THAT, UM, YOU WOULD AS WELL, UM, TAKE THAT EXTRA STEP TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN, UM, THE, THAT PART OF SOUTH DALLAS. 
          AND JUST TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE SEEKING AND WANTING. 
          WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT OPPOSED TO, UM, PROGRESS IN OUR COMMUNITIES. 
          UM, WE'VE BEEN A PART OF ENSURING THAT THAT HAPPENS ALONG MARTIN LUTHER KING. 
          UM, BUT THAT ALSO CAME WITH A LOT OF COMMUNITY INPUT, COMMUNITY DESIRES AND, AND THAT WAS VERY FORWARD FACING. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? WE DIDN'T CATCH IT. 
          NICOLE RAPHAEL. 
          OKAY. 
          RAPHAEL, THANK YOU. 
          UH, BEFORE YOU, BEFORE YOU WALK OFF, DO YOU MIND, UM, BEFORE WE GO TO QUESTIONS AND THE REST OF OUR SPEAKERS, COULD YOU EMAIL US A LINK TO THAT WEBSITE? I CAN DO THAT. 
          PLEASE DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, WE'LL FORWARD IT, UH, TO STAFF. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          STAFF WILL FORWARD IT TO US. 
          UH, IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER WEER, I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION. 
          PARDON ME? YES. 
          MOTION MS. RAPHAEL, DON'T, DON'T GO TOO FAR. 
          AND, UM, WHAT'S THE NAME? I GONNA COME DOWN ALSO, UM, IN THE, IN ITEM Z 2 4 5 DASH 200. 
          I MOVED TO, UH, TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN TO OCTOBER 9TH. 
          UM, AND THEN I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, HOLD THE MATTER TO ADVISE UNTIL OCTOBER 9TH. 
          I'LL SECOND IT. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? UM, THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE FOR JULIE. 
          UM, YOU MIGHT HAVE STATE YOUR ADDRESS AND FOR NICOLE, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          I'M JULIE SAAN. 
          I GET A PRIVILEGE OF SERVING AS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AT ST. 
          PHILIP'S. 
          UM, COULD EARLIER, UH, MR. PEPE, UM, COULDN'T GIVE US EXACT TIMEFRAME IN THE MIX OF THIS FARM DISTRICT. 
          ABOUT HOW MANY YEARS HAS THIS PARTICULAR FARM DISTRICT, NOT PD 5 9 5, BUT THE FARM DISTRICT THAT IS, UM, IN BETWEEN MARTIN LUTHER KING TO, IN THAT SQUARE. 
          HOW LONG HAS THAT FARM DISTRICT BEEN THERE? I, I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHEN THE FARM BASED SONY CAME ABOUT. 
          I HAD DONE SOME RESEARCH ON THE SHOP FRONT OVERLAY MM-HMM . 
          UM, BUT I DON'T, DID YOU SAY MAYBE AROUND ROUGHLY FOUR TO FIVE YEARS? IT HASN'T BEEN SUPER LONG. 
          NO, I THINK IT'S BEEN, UH, MORE LIKE SINCE 2011 IF I HAD TO GUESS. 
          BUT I'M NOT CERTAIN THERE WAS A RE PLATTING OF, UH, ST. 
          PHILIP HAS A PD THAT OUR, LIKE CAMPUS IS PART OF, AND THAT WAS REDONE ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK ONLINE AT LIKE THE A-R-C-G-I-S SYSTEM, IT MAKES IT SEEM LIKE THAT WHOLE AREA WAS RE PLATTED OR REZONED WHEN WE DID THAT. 
          AND IT'S CONFUSING. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT MAY BE WHY PEOPLE THINK THAT THE FORM DISTRICT OR THE SHOPFRONT OVERLAY WAS ESTABLISHED FOUR TO FIVE YEARS AGO, BUT IT WAS SIMPLY RPD THAT WAS REDONE FOUR TO FIVE YEARS AGO. 
          BUT THE WAY IT REFLECTS ON THE ZONING WEBSITE IS CONFUSING. 
          UM, I'M GOING TO KIND OF MAYBE GO BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE OF SOME, SOME COS THAT I GOT PRIOR. 
          BUT IN THE PROCESS OF THAT FROM PENN, FROM FROM ROBBY, THE IN, IN BETWEEN, UM, AL LIPKIN 45 PENNSYLVANIA, OH, THEY'RE NOT GONNA EVEN SAY PENNSYLVANIA IS MARTHA KING TO HAM JOHN, THAT REZONING THAT HAPPENED, DID IT NOT HAPPEN IN THE EFFECT THAT DURING THE TIME THAT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY OWNED THE PROPERTY AND ALSO DURING THE TIME THAT IN ANCE OF ST. 
          PHILIP'S AND CORNERSTONE ADVOCATING FOR CHANGES IN THAT AREA FOR ZONING THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL USES AS IT RELATES TO SHOP FRONTS, ALSO TO, FOR THE ZONING OF, UM, UM, SOME SOURCE OF DENSITY THAT THIS PLAN WAS PUT TOGETHER BASED OFF OF THE NEEDS, UM, OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER ASPECTS THAT, THAT HAS HELPED TRANSFORM THIS AREA? I'M GONNA, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. 
          LEMME LEMME, DID A LOT OF THIS PLANNING HAPPEN, UH, THROUGH TWO, THE BIGGEST OWNER WAS ALREADY OWNING THE PROPERTY? YES, I BELIEVE SO. 
          I I, ACCORDING TO WHAT HE STATED, I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY LOOKED AT HIS ACQUISITION DATE, BUT FROM WHAT HE STATED IN THE MEETING YESTERDAY, YES, HE'S OWNED IT FOR LIKE 20 SOMETHING YEARS. 
          AND SO DURING THIS TIMEFRAME, BOTH TWO OF THE BIGGER OWNERS OF PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA WHO ARE, WHO ARE DOING DEVELOPMENT, UM, WHICH IS CORNERSTONE 
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AND ST. 
          PHILIP'S, UM, COM DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS. 
          AT ANY TIME DID THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT, UM, BECOME ENGAGED IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS TO YOUR RECOLLECTION? NOT, NOT, NOT TO MY RECOLLECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHEN WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU ALL HEARD ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT? I BELIEVE ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND LAST QUESTION THAT I'M GONNA ASK YOU, ARE BOTH OF YOU ALL CURRENTLY ON THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA PLAN, TASK FORCE? I, I AM PART OF THAT AREA. 
          I AM A PART OF THE TASK FORCE AND WHEN I CAN'T GO, NICOLE HAS GONE TO REPRESENT US. 
          AND HOW LONG HAD, WAS THAT TASK FORCE GOING THROUGH EACH AND EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IN SOUTH DALLAS LOOKING TO SEE OR DENSITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? ABOUT HOW MANY YEARS WAS THAT? LIKE FIVE, FIVE YEARS. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD MEAN THAT YOU WERE WELL VERSED IN WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEED, THE DESIRES, UM, FROM AREA ADVANTAGE, FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HOUSING SERVICES, UM, AND WHICH YOU SAY THAT THIS WHAT THE PROPOSED THAT THE COMMUNITY THAT WAS NEVER MENTIONED IN THOSE TYPE OF, UH, THAT TYPE OF, UM, BUILDING, UH, SITE? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          ONE LAST QUESTION AND LAST NIGHT ON BOTH MEETINGS, ONE HELD AT ST. 
          PHILIP'S, ONE HELD IN, IN ONE WEEK TIME AT ST. 
          PHILIP'S AND AT CORNERSTONE. 
          WHAT WAS THE OVERALL TEMPERATURE IN THE ROOM AS IT RELATES TO THIS? SO THE SECOND ONE WAS HELD RIGHT NEXT TO CORNERSTONE, BUT AT THE WINTER'S ASSEMBLY AND OVERALL THE TEMPERATURE WAS GREAT CONCERN ABOUT SUCH A HUGE PROPOSED BUILDING ON THAT SITE. 
          UM, AND A REAL DESIRE TO SEE FEASIBLE PLANS, WHICH, WHICH WEREN'T ABLE TO BE PRESENTED. 
          SO WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR, UH, DESIRE TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION AND NOT SUPPORT APPROVING IT WITHOUT THOSE TYPES OF DETAILS. 
          AND WAS IT NOT ASKED THAT THEY COME BACK WITH A A PLAN AND IT'S MORE FEASIBLE IN LINE POSSIBLY WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS? YES, I GUESS THAT'S CORRECT. 
          WELL, WE WERE ASKED WHAT THE COMMUNITY WERE ASKED. 
          WE, WE WANNA GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 
          'CAUSE IT ALSO IS NOT ALIGNED WITH THE AREA PLAN. 
          BUT THE, SO THE IDEA OF HAVING MORE TIME TO DISCUSS IT IS VERY HELPFUL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I, I, I, I RARELY CHIME IN ON CASES THAT ARE GOING TO BE HELD IN UNDER ADVISEMENT SUBSTANTIVELY PARTICULARLY FOR ONE THAT'S GONNA BE HELD FOR, FOR THREE MONTHS. 
          I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT ISN'T HERE, BUT I, I HOPE THAT THEY'RE WATCHING, UM, THE, THE CURRENT ASK FOR, FOR 25 STORIES. 
          REALLY JUST, I WANNA BE VERY BOGGLES MY MIND AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD ASK THEM THAT, I DUNNO THAT THE BAR THAT THEY HAVE TO CLEAR FOR ME TO, TO GET 25 STORIES IS, IS INCREDIBLY HIGH. 
          SO I'M A STRONG, YOU KNOW, PROPONENT OF INCREMENTAL GROWTH AND AND DEVELOPMENT IN ALL AREAS OF OUR CITY. 
          UM, BUT THE CURRENT ZONING OF FIVE OR THREE, THREE STORIES OF THE STAFF'S ROAD ZONING OF FIVE IS, IS MUCH MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT MAKES SENSE TO ME HERE. 
          SO I DON'T WANNA HIDE THE BALL ON THIS ONE BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE SUCH A, A WIDE CHASM BETWEEN THE APPLICANT'S ASK AND, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING ZONING AND WHAT STAFF IS SUGGESTING. 
          SO I DID WANNA PUT THOSE COMMENTS ON THE RECORD BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S TIME FOR THE APPLICANT TO ROLL THEIR SLEEVES UP AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S REALLY FEASIBLE HERE. 
          NOTHING TO ADD TO THAT THEN I LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, HAVING THE APPLICANT HERE. 
          LOTS OF QUESTIONS. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER HALL, I, I JUST GOTTA ASK THIS. 
          WHAT IMPACT DOES STATE BILL OF EIGHT 40 HAVE ON THIS CASE? I MEAN, COULD IT, I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A GOOD AMOUNT WITH THE COMMISSIONER. 
          I'M SORRY IF I MISSED A PREVIOUS DISCUSSION. 
          OH NO, THAT WAS, THAT WAS ELSEWHERE BEFORE THIS, UM, BRIEFING. 
          UM, SO I THINK WE JUST TALKED ABOUT SB EIGHT 40 PUTS A MIN A MAXIMUM OR A MINIMUM MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 45, THAT THE BASE HEIGHT IN THIS PROPERTY IS ALREADY 50. 
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SO HEIGHT ISN'T REALLY MODIFIED BY SB EIGHT 40. 
          UM, DENSITY IS NOT REALLY A FACTOR BECAUSE DENSE THERE IS, LIKE, AS WE DISCUSSED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, THERE WAS, UH, THERE'S NOT A DENSITY LIMIT ON THE FORM-BASED ZONING. 
          THERE'S NOT A DENSITY LIMIT IN MU THREE. 
          THERE IS A FLOOR AREA RATIO LIMIT IN IN U THREE. 
          AND I WILL SAY THAT SB EIGHT 40 SAYS, UH, THERE'S, YOU CAN'T PUT FAR CAPS ON MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS IN COMMERCIALLY ZONED AREAS. 
          SO KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          UM, SO THAT IS A, THAT IS THE ONE THING OF ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN. 
          MU THREE WOULD HAVE ITS FLU AIR RATIO MODIFIED, UM, BY SB EIGHT 40. 
          UM, BUT IN THE CASE OF THE HEIGHT, IT'S NOT A, A MAJOR IMPACT. 
          SO THE, THE, IT'S NOT, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THE EXISTING WMU THREE IS NOT REALLY UP ZONED BY EIGHT BY, DID I SAY THAT WM U THREE IS NOT REALLY UP ZONED BY SB EIGHT 40. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL OCTOBER 9TH. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          A THE OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT. 
          WE REQUEST FOR A BREAK. 
          WE'LL TAKE A QUICK 10 MINUTE BREAK AT FOUR 17 COMMISSIONERS. 
          IT IS 4 31 2 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 8 AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. 
          WE'RE GONNA GET BACK ON THE RECORD AND GO TO CASE NUMBER 12 IN D FOUR IN MR. CHAMBERS. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          [12. An application for a CS Commercial Service District on property zoned  CR Community Retail District, south of East Overton Road, between  Bonnie View Road and East Illinois Avenue.]
THIS IS FOR, UM, CASE 12, ITEM 25 DASH 2262 A, AN APPLICATION FOR A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT, SOUTH OF EAST EAST, UH, OVERTON ROAD BETWEEN BONNEY VIEW ROAD AND EAST ILLINOIS AVENUE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, IS THERE ANYONE HERE ON THIS ITEM THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? WE HAVE NO RICH OR SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. 
          COMMISSIONER FORESE, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES. 
          CHAIRMAN SHADI IN THE MATTER OF CASE Z DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 0 45. 
          I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF A DENIAL IN THIS MATTER. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FORCEP FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER HERBERT? QUICK COMMENT. 
          UM, IN DENIAL CASES, I ALWAYS TELL MY NEIGHBORS AND THE APPLICANT HOW HARD IT IS TO REVERSE A DENIAL. 
          I WANNA JUST COMMEND THAT THE PLAN ON THIS CASE FOR HAVING VERY GOOD DETAILS. 
          UM, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE TO SECOND GUESS ON WHY WE'RE DENYING THIS CASE. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          AND, AND, AND SHOULD I MAKE THAT ADD TO THAT MOTION DENIAL WITH PREJUDICE? UH, IT, IT WAS A STRAIGHT DENIAL. 
          YES, IT WAS STRAIGHT, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? SEE NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT GO TO UH, 13. 
          BACK TO D SEVEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU GOOD AFTERNOON, 
          [13. An application for a TH-3(A) Townhouse Subdistrict on property zoned  R-5(A) Single Family Subdistrict within Planned Development District No  595, the South Dallas Fair Park Special Purpose District, on the north  corner of Myrtle Street and Marburg Street.]
UM, Z 2 4 5 2 0 8. 
          IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A TH THREE TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PD 5 9 5, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK, SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT OF NORTH CORNER OF MYRTLE STREET AND MARBURG STREET. 
          STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. 
          SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UH, ANER 32 8 COLE AVENUE, UH, DALLAS. 
          7 5 2 1 4. 
          NO, 2 0 4. 
          WHAT AM I SAYING? UM, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UM, I'M REQUESTING A GENERAL ZONING CHANGE TO, FROM R FIVE TO TH THREE AT 27 0 1 MARBURG STREET. 
          UM, I'M OFFERING DEED RESTRICTION. 
          OH, 
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I'VE GOT, UH, I'VE GOT A PRESENTATION, A SMALL ONE DID I SENT, CAN I JUST UNPLUG THIS THING IN THE NEW, I'M OFFERING THESE RESTRICTIONS AND LIMITED TO TWO UNITS AND, UH, 30 FEET HEIGHT, UH, MARVER. 
          OH, IRIS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, ONE'S GONNA BE FACING COLONIAL, I MEAN MARBURG AND THE OTHER ONE'S FACING THE OTHER STREET. 
          I'VE GOT, UH, BOTH DOOR FRONT DOORS ARE GONNA BE FACING THE OPPOSITE SIDE. 
          SO IT'S GONNA BE LIKE YOUR BOTH ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE BRICK FACADES ON THE WHOLE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, THEY'RE BOTH GONNA BE APPROXIMATELY 1300 SQUARE FEET AND FOR SALE, THEY'RE BOTH GONNA BE FOR SALE AND THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH. 
          UH, LET'S SEE. 
          SO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          I HANDED OUT OVER 50 FLYERS AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, ALL THE FLYERS CAN, AND I'VE GOT SOME UP FRONT. 
          I CAN HAND 'EM OUT. 
          UH, FLYERS HAD MY PERSONAL PHONE NUMBER AND EMAIL, UM, TURNED THOSE FLYERS INTO A YARD SIGN AND PUT 'EM AT ON THE, ON THE SITE. 
          UH, MADE MYSELF AVAILABLE ON SITE AFTER WORKING HOURS TO HAVE ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          UM, OTHER THAN THAT, AND, UH, HERE'S, UH, MADE THE, LIKE I SAID, I PUT 'EM ON, PUT THE FLYER ON SITE AND UH, WE'VE GOT AN EXAMPLE OF THE FLYER UP THERE TOO. 
          AND THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, SCENE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 4 5 DASH 2 0 8? I MOVE TO CLOSE OF PUBLIC HEARING AND FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OF APPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          I HAVE C**S. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          DO HE NEED TO READ THE DEED RESTRICTIONS IN NOW? WAS IT, WAS IT SUBJECT TO DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT? YES. 
          SUBJECT TO DEED RESTRICTIONS OFFERED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER, UH, HERBERT. 
          COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, ME AND THIS APPLICANT HAS COME A LONG WAY, . 
          HE, UM, HE HAS A, A QUITE A FEW DIFFERENT TYPES OF DUPLEXES. 
          A COUPLE OF 'EM I KIND OF RECOMMEND, I WANNA SAY I THE HEALTH DESIGN, NO . 
          SO IF YOU RECALL THIS APPLICANT CAME TO US, UH, WHEN WE HAD, UH, ONE, UM, ON SYDNEY STREET. 
          WE WERE DENIED, BUT WE CAME BACK AND APPROVED THE ONE AT WHEN, UM, AT THE CORNER OF, UM, HANCOCK AND WELLINGTON. 
          THAT UNIT LOOKS FAMILIAR TO THIS, WHERE ONE LOOKS LIKE IT, WHERE ONE THE DOOR IS ON THE WELLINGTON, WHICH IS A SIDE STREET AND HANCOCK ONE, THE DOOR IS ON THE OTHER. 
          HE ALSO HAS, UM, SOME MORE THAT WE APPROVE WHERE WE I'M GONNA SAY STACKED THE DUPLEXES, BUT THEY'RE PRETTY LARGE INSIDE. 
          TOOK THE AREA PLAN, TASK FORCE TEAM OUT. 
          SO TO LOOK AT THOSE DIFFERENT TYPES, UM, THAT WERE FITTED AREAS THAT WE HAVE TWO STORY HOMES, BOTH LOOK, UM, GREAT. 
          HE WENT A STEP FURTHER IN THE, THE UNITS THAT WERE DOWNSTAIRS TO MAKE THOSE HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE, UM, UNITS WITH HOOKS IN THE, IN THE CEILING, ALREADY SHOWERS THAT ACCOMMODATE, UM, HANDICAP. 
          SO, UM, HE CREATED A MODEL. 
          I HAVEN'T SEEN MANY DUPLEXES THAT ARE THREE BEDROOMS LARGE, KIND OF LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THE TOWN HOMES THAT'S BEING BUILT TODAY. 
          UM, AND SO HE'S WENT SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS ON TOWN HOMES INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE COOKIE CUTTER THING. 
          SO THANK YOU MR. ANISH. 
          UM, UM, USUALLY HE COMES TO US WITH TWO  AT A TIME. 
          SO THESE RIGHT HERE IS IN PARTICULAR CLOSE TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND UM, AGAIN, IT'S A SIDE, IT'S A STREET WITH TWO FRONT WITH TWO FRONTAGES. 
          SO, UM, MY RECOMMENDATION BASED OFF OF WHAT HE HAS DONE, UM, I WANNA SAY THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST ONES THAT I KNOW THAT HE'S ACTUALLY FOR SALE. 
          SO HE'S ALSO OFFERING REASONABLE RATES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON A RENTAL STOCK. 
          UM, 
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AND SO FROM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THIS IS THE FIRST SET THAT HE'S ACTUALLY PUTTING ON THE MARKET AS A FOR SALE ITEM. 
          AM I RIGHT? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, REALLY QUICK, I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND COMMISSIONER WILLER FOR WORKING WITH HIM THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. 
          I'VE BEEN HERE, UH, YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE. 
          UM, I'VE, I'VE SEEN YOU ELEVATE YOUR DESIGNS AND I APPRECIATE THAT WE WERE VERY HARD ON YOU IN THE BEGINNING AND YOU'VE DIDN'T WALK AWAY AND TURN YOUR BACK ON THE COMMUNITY OR YOUR PROPERTY, SO WE APPRECIATE THAT. 
          KEEP GROWING UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU BACK COMMISSIONERS. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL GO TO NUMBER, UH, 14. 
          WELL, YOU WANT TO SEE ME BACK? YOU CAN SEE ME BACK IN THE NEXT CASE. 
          , SEE HOW QUICKLY, I HOPE YOU MEANT THAT. 
          JUST HANG AROUND. 
          ACTUALLY, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA SEE YOU BACK ON THE SEVENTH, AUGUST 7TH. 
          ACTUALLY, IT'S THE SAME PRESENTATION, SO YOU MIGHT AS WELL MIGHT AS WELL JUST KEEP THAT UP. 
          [14. An application for a TH-3(A) Townhouse Subdistrict on property zoned  R-5(A) Single Family Subdistrict within Planned Development District No  595, the South Dallas Fair Park Special Purpose District, on the east  corner of Colonial Ave and Driskell St.]
Z 2 4 5 2 0 9 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A TH THREE TOWNHOUSE SUB DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 9 5, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE EAST CORNER COLONIAL AVENUE, DISTRICT AL STREET STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. 
          YES SIR. 
          ANY COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? EXCUSE ME. 
          ANY COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? UM, REPEAT OR THE LAST ONE? UH, ASKING FOR DUPLEX ON COLONIAL 38 30 COLONIAL FRONT DOOR ON ONE SIDE, OTHER FRONT DOOR ON THE OTHER, OTHER SIDE. 
          UM, HAND OUT FLYERS, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          UH, ANYONE ELSE WANNA SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? CAN HAVE A MOTION? UM, ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, I MOVED ON Z 7 2 4 5 DASH 2 0 9. 
          I MOVED TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING APRIL OPEN UNTIL AUGUST 7TH. 
          UM, AND I HAVE REAL REASONS BEHIND IT. 
          . 
          OKAY, I WILL SECOND THAT. 
          UH, COMMENTS? DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER WICK? SO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY SITS IN THE HISTORICAL COLONIAL HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD, ASSOCI, UH, AND THAT ASSOCIATION, UH, WE'RE JUST WAITING SO THAT HE CAN GET WITH THEM. 
          UM, THIS PARTICULAR, WHERE THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY'S AT, WE HAVE SUCH A DIVERSE HOUSING STOCK. 
          UM, A LOT OF THE HISTORICAL TWO STORY ROOMING HOUSES STILL SIT HERE. 
          UM, DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, FOURPLEXES. 
          WE HAVE SO MUCH DIFFERENT HOUSING STOCK, BUT WE ALSO HAVE COLONIAL HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT WE JUST WANT HIM TO MEET WITH ONE TIME. 
          UM, AND THEN COME RIGHT BACK. 
          BUT, UM, YOU JUST GOTTA KNOW THEM TO KNOW THAT A PROVEN THIS TODAY, WHO CAUSED MY DAY TO BE HORRIBLE . 
          SO, BUT, AND WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. 
          ST. 
          PHILIPS, UH, THE LADIES FROM ST. 
          PHILIPS IS GONNA HELP HIM GET IN TOUCH WITH THEM, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY REASON. 
          BUT THIS PARTICULAR, IF NO OTHER WHERE IN SOUTH DALLAS DOES THIS HOUSING, THIS DOES THE, THIS IS APPLICABLE IS IN THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, AND SO, YEAH, AND I TALKED TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT IT. 
          JUST HOLDING IT FROM ONE ANOTHER MEETING. 
          IF, IF WE HAD ANOTHER MEETING THIS MONTH, I WOULD'VE HELD IT TO THAT MEETING, BUT WE ONLY HAVE ONE. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER SEE? AND NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          YOU OPPOSED? MOTION CARIES. 
          WE GO TO CASE. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          CASE 15 
          [15. An application for an amendment to Planned Development No. 153, on  the southwest line of Lemmon Avenue, between Carlisle St. and Cole  Ave.]
Z 2 4 5 1 26 IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 53 ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF LEMON AVENUE BETWEEN CARLISLE STREET AND COLE AVENUE. 
          STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AS BRIEF AS, UH, DISTRIBUTED. 
          YES, AS DISTRIBUTED. 
          THEY WEREN'T BRIEFED. 
          THE CITY APPLICANT IS HERE GROUND FOR QUESTIONS. 
          ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? UH, OKAY, WE'LL GO TO A MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 45 DASH 1 26. 
          I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN UNTIL AUGUST 7TH. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS, DISCUSSION QUESTIONS. 
          SEE NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. 
          WE'LL GO TO OUR SUBDIVISION DOCKET CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS CONSISTENT OF CASES 16 THROUGH 25. 
          [05:36:28]
CONSENT? YEAH, I CONSENT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, IT'S, YOU GOT THE WHOLE, OH, BECAUSE YOURS IS AT THE TOP OF THE LIST, SO YOU GOT THE WHOLE, SO, OKAY. 
          [SUBDIVISION DOCKET]
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER. 
          THE CONCERN IS IN THAT CONSIST OF 10 ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER 16, ITEM 17, ITEM 18, ITEM 19, ITEM 20, ITEM 21, ITEM NUMBER 22, ITEM NUMBER 23, ITEM NUMBER 24 AND ITEM NUMBER 25. 
          CORRECTION ON THE COUNCIL DISTRICT ON ITEM NUMBER 20, THE CORRECT THE, THE CORRECT DATES. 
          COUNCIL DISTRICT IS DISTRICT FIVE. 
          ALL CASES HAVE BEEN POSTED FOR A HEARING AT THIS TIME. 
          AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THESE ITEMS? THIS IS 16TH THROUGH 25. 
          THERE'S, AND WE, WE HAVE TWO REGISTERED SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. 
          I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE AT THE APPLICANTS AND THEY WANT TO KEEP THESE ON, UH, CONSENT. 
          WE'LL DO THAT. 
          UH, WE'LL GET A, A MOTION THEN WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER FORESITE PLEASE, SIR? YES. 
          CHAIRMAN SHADI IN THE MATTER OF CONSENT ITEMS 16 THROUGH 25 ON THE SUBDIVISION DOCKET. 
          I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FORTE FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 
          WE'LL GO TO NUMBER 20, UH, SIX 
          [26. An application to revise a previously approved preliminary plat  (S212-294) to replat a 3.45-acre tract of land containing all of Lots 1A  and 1B in City Block 7423 to create a 17-lot shared access development  ranging in size from 3,600 square feet to 6,101 square feet and one  common area and to remove a 40-foot platted building line along the  north line of Alpha Road on property located on Hillcrest Road at Alpha  Road, northwest corner.]
          [05:40:05]
I. 
          ITEM NUMBER 26 S TWO 12 DASH 2 94 R. 
          IT IS AN APPLICATION TO REVISE A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAT S TWO 12 DASH 2 94 TO REPL, A THREE POINT 45 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOTS ONE A AND ONE B IN CITY BLOCK 7 4 2 3 TO CREATE A 17 LOT THERE. 
          ACCESS DEVELOPMENT RANGING IN SIZE FROM 3,600 SQUARE FEET TO 6,101 SQUARE FEET AND ONE COMMON AREA. 
          AND TO REMOVE A 40 FOOT PLANTED BUILDING LAND ALONG THE NORTH LINE OF ALPHA ROAD ON PROPERTY. 
          LOCATED ON HILL CASE ROAD AT ALPHA ROAD NORTHWEST CONNOR NINE NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON JUNE 24TH, 2025. 
          AND WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLY IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. 
          THESE REQUEST REQUEST TO MOTIONS BECAUSE IT IS TO REPL AND IT INVOLVES THE REMOVAL OF THE PLATTED BUILDING LINE. 
          THE FIRST MOTION IS TO APPROVE OR DENY REMOVING AN EXISTING 40 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE. 
          AND THE SECOND MOTION IS TO APPROVE OR DENY, UH, REPLA STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON BUILDING LINE APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON REPLA APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          IS OUR SPEAKER ONLINE? OKAY, MR. UH, MCATEE ARE YOU LINE? YES, I AM. 
          I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AS CHERYL MARLA SAID. 
          UM, THIS IS PREVIOUSLY, THANK YOU, SIR. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, VICE CHAIR RUBIN? YES. 
          IN CASE I'M GONNA BE NOT MOVE EXCEPT MY MOUTH IN CASE THEY WERE ASKED 2 1 2 2 4 9 RI MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST TO MOVE THE 40 FOOT PLATTERED BUILDING LINE ALONG THE NORTH LINE OF ALPHA ROAD, BUT THE FINDING EFFECT, THAT MOVE OF THE BUILDING LINE WILL NOT REQUIRE MINIMUM FRONT SIDE OR REAR YARD SETBACK LESSON THAT REQUIRED BY THE ZONING REGULATION BE CONTRARY TO PUBLIC INTEREST, ADVERSELY AFFECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OR ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PLAN FOR THE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION. 
          THANK YOU VICE FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION? C NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. 
          SECOND MOTION IN CASE NUMBER S 2 1 2 2 4 9 RI MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, THE FELLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF THE REVISED PLAT. 
          THANK YOU MR. RUBEN FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER HARAN FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          A. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. 
          WE'LL GO TO R ONE SIGN CASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [Items 27 - 28]
CASES 27 AND 28. 
          TWO CASES, UM, TAKEN ON MOTION. 
          JUST YOUR HONOR, DO I JUST MAKE A MOTION RIGHT NOW? IS THAT HE'S GONNA READ 'EM IN THE RECORD AND THEN YES. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          COOL. 
           CASE 2 5 0 3 1 2 1 1 0 1 AS AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY SHAILA SAGANI OF SURROUND SIGNS FOR A 185 SQUARE FOOT LED ILLUMINATED CHANNEL LETTER SIGN AT 541 WEST JEFFERSON AVENUE ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION. 
          CASE NUMBER 2 5 0 3 1 2 1 1 0 4 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY SHAILA SANI OF S SIGNS FOR A 185 SQUARE FOOT LED ILLUMINATED CHANNEL LETTER SIGN AT 541 WEST JEFFERSON AVENUE ON THE WEST ELEVATION. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. 
          S-S-D-A-C RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL ON BOTH. 
          UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE RECORD. 
          THERE'S NO ONE HERE IN THE CHAMBER. 
          UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER DO A MATTER OF, UH, CASE NUMBER 2 5 0 3 1 2 1 1 0 1 I MOVE TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS OF APPROVAL. 
          DID YOU READ BOTH? OH A YES, PLEASE. 
          THE OTHER CASE NUMBER AND FOR CASE NUMBER 2 5 0 3 1 2 1 1 0 4. 
          THANK YOU, SIR, FOR 
          [05:45:01]
YOUR MOTION. 
          I WILL SECOND IT MYSELF. 
          ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS. 
          SEE? NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYE. 
          HAVE IT. 
          CAN WE GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER. 
          SECOND. 
          THANK YOU ALL COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR MOTION TO ADJOURN IS, UH, 4 54. 
          I WANT TO THANK STAFF AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK. 
          ENJOY YOUR SUMMER. 
          WE'LL SEE YOU BACK ON THE SEVENTH.
* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.