* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] OKAY, GOOD AFTERNOON, UM, TO THE, UH, PUBLIC MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION. IT IS 1 0 5 AND I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER. IT IS AUGUST 4TH, 2025. THAT SHOULD NARROW IT DOWN PRETTY WELL. UM, I'M EVELYN MONTGOMERY, THE CHAIR, AND OUR VICE CHAIR IS COMMISSIONER SPELL. AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM OF COMMISSIONERS HERE SO WE CAN PROCEED WITH OUR BUSINESS. I'LL NEED TO TAKE THE ROLE. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE OUR BUSINESS, WOULDN'T IT? DON'T BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAID WE HAD ENOUGH PEOPLE. YOU GOTTA SEE WHO'S HERE. DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY. DISTRICT TWO COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY. ME? YEAH. EVERYONE CANNOT TALK TO ME AT THE SAME TIME. YES, I AM HERE AND I HEARD YOU. COMMISSIONER . DISTRICT THREE. COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN. PRESENT. DISTRICT FOUR. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. PRESENT. OKAY. UM, DISTRICT FIVE. COMMISSIONER OFFIT. HERE. DISTRICT SIX. COMMISSIONER HENA HOSA. PRESENT? DISTRICT SEVEN. COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON? DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER. SPELL DISTRICT NINE. COMMISSIONER RENO. PRESENT. DISTRICT 11. COMMISSIONER GAY. PRESENT. DISTRICT 12. COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER. PRESENT. DISTRICT 13. COMMISSIONER POSI PRESENT. DISTRICT 14. COMMISSIONER HARPER. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON PRESENT. COMMISSIONER REEVES. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS. PRESENT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THAT, ELAINE. UM, WE GENERALLY START BY REARRANGING OUR AGENDA TO GET TO THOSE THINGS THAT HAVE SPEAKERS FIRST AND SAFETY ITEMS THAT HAVE NO SPEAKERS WHO ARE WAITING TO BE AT THE END. SO COMMISSIONER FELL. IF YOU ARE, UM, I'LL, I'LL CALL YOUR NAME IF YOU ARE LISTED ON HERE. IF YOUR NAME IS NOT ON HERE AND YOU HAVE NOT TURNED IN A FORM, UH, WE NEED YOU TO FILL OUT ONE OF THE YELLOW SPEAKER FORMS. SO I'M SHOWING ON HERE. MATTHEW FINN, HANK THOMAS, ADAM JONES, MATTHEW, OH NOT UH, PHILLIP KINGSTON. LET'S SEE. BRIAN JACKSON, CHRIS SONO, EMILY SIMONS, CHRIS AARON, BRIAN TILL, JEFF MEYERS, ISAAC MARTINEZ. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK THAT DIDN'T FILL ONE OUT? WE ALSO HAVE GUSTAVO, DEON AND MARCEL. WENDY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, GREAT. UH, WELL THEN FIRST LET'S GO ON AHEAD AND UM, UH, TAKE CARE OF CONSENT. SO I MOVE TO UM, JUST IF THERE ARE ANY LINGERING QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSENT. ITEM NUMBER ONE, WE DO HAVE SOMEONE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS DURING THE BRIEFING. I BELIEVE MR. ANDERSON, HAVE YOUR QUESTIONS BEEN ANSWER. WOULD YOU LIKE US TO HAVE OUR SPEAKER ADDRESS THEM? NO. NO, THAT'S FINE. ALRIGHT, I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR PER STAFF SECOND PRE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER. PREZI, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, I'LL JUST CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THE MOTION HAS CARRIED. IF YOU HAD AN ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, WE HAVE GONE WITH WHATEVER THE STAFF RECOMMENDED, USUALLY APPROVAL, AND THEY CAN HELP YOU WITH ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT IT ALL. I MOVE THAT WE ADJUST THE AGENDA TO THE FOLLOWING. WE'LL START WITH DISCUSSION ITEM TWO, FOLLOWED BY ONE IN DISCUSSION. ITEM SIX AND THEN 3, 4, 5, 7, 9 ENDING WITH DISCUSSION ITEMS EIGHT, 10 AND 11. SO THAT'S 2 1 6 3 4, 5, 7, 9, 8, 10, 11. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I CAN. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER OSI . OKAY, SO, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SEE US? YES. YES. YES. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, SO THAT MEANS THAT WE CALL FOR D TWO FIRST. OH, WE NEED A TASK FORCE READER WHO? COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER HAS VOLUNTEERED TO DO IT THIS TIME. [00:05:03] OKAY, ARE WE READY? WE APPEAR TO BE. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING. WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. PRESENTING DISCUSSION ITEM D TWO. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 8 0 5 ELM STREET IN THE WEST END HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 DASH 1 54. THE REQUEST ARE AS FOLLOWS, ONE FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A SIX STORY SOUTH SIDE AND REAR EAST HORIZONTAL. ADDITION ADDITIONS TO MAIN BUILDING. PROPOSED NEW FUNCTION IS MIXED USE, MULTIFAMILY AND RETAIL. SECOND, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING CANVAS AND OR FABRIC AWNINGS WITH STEEL CANOPIES ON MAIN BUILDING, WEST ELEVATION FACING AUSTIN STREET. THIRD, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PREPARE AND PAINT EXISTING PAINTED SURFACES ON MAIN BUILDING INCLUDING STEEL STOREFRONTS, WINDOWS, FRAMES AND RAILINGS. FOUR. A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND OR UNITS ON THE ROOFTOPS OF BOTH THE MAIN BUILDING AND THE NEW ADDITION. FIVE. A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE FLAT ROOF OF THE MAIN BUILDING. SIX. A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW LANDSCAPE FEATURES AND FENCING INCLUDING A NEW LANDSCAPE PLAZA NORTH OF SEVEN 11 ELM STREET AT THE INTERSECTION OF PACIFIC AVENUE AND AUSTIN STREET TREES ALONG BOTH SIDES OF AUSTIN STREET, WHICH WILL BE CLOSED TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND REPLACEMENT AND OR EXTENDED PERIMETER FENCING. SEVEN. A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPAIR AND REPLACE DETERIORATED WOOD WINDOWS IN MAIN BUILDING. EIGHT. A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL VINYL WINDOWS IN THE NEW ADDITION AND THE REAR WALL OF THE MAIN BUILDING FORMERLY AND INTERIOR PARTY WALL WITHOUT WINDOWS NINE. A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE STOREFRONT GLASS WINDOW WITH GLASS DOUBLE ENTRY DOORS ON WEST ELEVATION OF MAIN BUILDING SOUTHERN MOST BED. THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS, ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A SIX STORY SOUTH SIDE AND REAR EAST HORIZONTAL ADDITION OR ADDITIONS TO MAIN BUILDING PROPOSED NEW FUNCTION IS MIXED USE. MULTIFAMILY AND RETAIL BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 23 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT APPLICANT'S APPLICATIONS FOR REHABILITATION TAX CREDITS BE APPROVED BY THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, THC AND THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE NPS PRIOR TO THE COMMENCEMENT OF WORK IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE WE'RE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. TWO. THE SECOND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING CANVAS AND OR FABRIC AWNINGS WITH STEEL CANOPIES ON MAIN BUILDING WEST ELEVATION FACING AUSTIN STREET BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 3 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT ANY TIES TO MASONRY BE EMBEDDED WITHIN THE MORTAR JOINTS AND NOT DIRECTLY INTO THE BRICKS AND THAT AN APPROPRIATE COLOR NOT BLACK FROM THE MONTHS OF COLOR RANGES SPECIFIED IN THE ORDINANCE BE SELECTED AND OR APPLIED IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION. SECTION 5.1 UNDER COLOR, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUB SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. THE THIRD STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PREPARE AND PAINT EXI EXISTING PAINTED SURFACES ON MAIN BUILDING, INCLUDING STEEL STOREFRONTS, WINDOWS FRAMES, AND RAILINGS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 23 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT [00:10:01] REPLACEMENT AND OR NEW PAINT COLOR BE EITHER GREEN TO MATCH THE EXISTING PREDOMINANT TRIM COLOR OR AN APPROPRIATE COLOR, NOT BLACK FROM THE MUNSELL COLOR RANGES SPECIFIED IN THE ORDINANCE, THE RAIL COULD REMAIN, COULD REMAIN BLACK AS SPECIFIED IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH RESERVATION CRITERION. SECTION 5.1 PERTAINING TO COLOR IS STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. FOUR. THE FOURTH STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND OUR UNITS ON THE ROOFTOPS OF BOTH THE MAIN BUILDING AND THE NEW ADDITION BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 23 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT MECHANICAL UNITS NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY EITHER BY SCREENING OR POSITIONING. IN OTHER WORDS, SETBACKS, IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN AT ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. FIVE. THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE FLAT ROOF OF THE MAIN BUILDING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 23 20 25. THE PROPOSED WORK MEET THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN AT ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. RECOMMENDATION SIX IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW LANDSCAPE FEATURES AND FENCING, INCLUDING A NEW LANDSCAPE PLAZA NORTH OF SEVEN 11 ELM STREET AT THE INTERSECTION OF PACIFIC AVENUE AND AUSTIN STREET TREES ALONG BOTH SIDES OF AUSTIN STREET, WHICH WILL BE CLOSE TO VE NUCLEAR TRAFFIC AND REPLACEMENT SLASH EXTENDED PERIMETER FENCING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 23 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT PERIMETER FENCING BE 70% OPEN. IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD. THE SEVENTH RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPAIR AND REPLACE DETERIORATED WOOD WINDOWS IN MAIN BUILDING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 23 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT ANY REPLACEMENT WOOD MATCHES THE ORIGINAL AND TEXTURE DIMENSIONS AND PROFILE THAT ANY REPLACEMENT GLAZING MATCH THE ORIGINAL AND MATERIAL DIMENSIONS AND PROFILE AND THAT EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS ARE NOT TO BE RESIZED. IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 5.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. RECOMMENDATION EIGHT IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL VINYL WINDOWS IN THE NEW ADDITION AND THE REAR WALL OF THE MAIN BUILDING FORMALLY AND INTERIOR PARTY WALL WITHOUT WINDOWS WILL BE APPROVED NO BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 23 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT NEW WINDOWS BE ALUMINUM, NOT VINYL WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION OF 6 0 6 TRUE DIVIDED LIGHT TO MATCH THE GRILL PATTERN OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT VINYL WINDOWS ARE NOT AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WOULD THEREFORE HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A WELL DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN AT ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. OKAY. OKAY, RECOMMENDATION NINE IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE STOREFRONT GLASS WINDOW WITH GLASS DOUBLE ENTRY DOORS ON [00:15:01] WEST ELEVATION OF MAIN BUILDING SOUTHERNMOST BAY BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 23 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT DOOR AND UNIT FRAMING BE STILL TO MATCH THE EXISTING STOREFRONT FRAMING MATERIALS AND THAT THE REPLACEMENT GLASS MATCHED THE EXISTING STOREFRONT GLASS AND COLOR TENT AND THICKNESS IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A SIX STORY SOUTH SIDE AND REAR EAST HORIZONTAL ADDITIONS TO MAIN BUILDING PROPOSED NEW FUNCTION IS MIXED USE MULTIFAMILY RETAIL BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THE APPROVAL OF THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION AND NATIONAL PARK SERVICE BE REQUIRED FIRST. NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING CANVAS OR FABRIC AWNING WITH STEEL CANOPIES ON THE MAIN BUILDING BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. COMMENTS CANOPY ON THE WEST SIDE OF AUSTIN STREET IS TOO MODERN AND SHOULD BE CONTINUOUS ACROSS THE BUILDING FACADE NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PREPARE AND PAINT EXISTING PAINTED SURFACE ON MAIN BUILDING, INCLUDING STEEL STOREFRONTS, WINDOWS FRAMES, AND RAILINGS BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED. NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND UNITS ON ROOFTOPS OF BOTH THE MAIN BUILDING AND THE NEW ADDITION BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED. NUMBER FIVE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE ROOF OF THE MAIN BUILDING BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED. NUMBER SIX, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW LANDSCAPE FEATURES AND FENCING, INCLUDING A NEW LANDSCAPE PLAZA NORTH OF SEVEN 11 ELM STREET AT THE INTERSECTION OF PACIFIC AVENUE AND AUSTIN STREET TREES ALONG BOTH SIDES OF AUSTIN STREET, WHICH WILL BE CLOSED TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND THE REPLACEMENT OR EXTENDED PERIMETER FENCING BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED. NUMBER SEVEN, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPAIR AND REPLACE DETERIORATED WOOD WINDOWS AND MAIN BUILDING BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT A WINDOW SURVEY SHOULD BE PROVIDED AND SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED. NUMBER EIGHT, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL VINYL WINDOWS IN THE NEW ADDITION IN THE REAR WALL OF THE MAIN BUILDING, FORMERLY AN INTERIOR PARTY WALL WITHOUT WINDOWS BE APPROVED FOR THE FOLLOWING CONDITION. THE NEW AND REPLACEMENT WINDOWS IN THE NEW INTERIOR COURTYARD ARE TO BE WOOD. AND FINALLY, NUMBER NINE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE STOREFRONT GLASS WINDOW WITH GLASS DOUBLE ENTRY DOORS ON WEST ELEVATION OF MAIN BUILDING SOUTHERNMOST BAY BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED. THANK YOU FOR THOSE TWO LENGTHY RECITATIONS. WE DO HAVE SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR THIS. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE WE HAVE HERE. I ASK YOU TO START, SIR, BY STATING YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND SWEAR OR PROMISE OR AFFIRM THAT YOU WILL TELL THE TRUTH. SO MATTHEW FINN, UH, AND I SWEAR SIX, MAKE SURE IT'S ON. IS IT ON GREEN? LIGHT'S ON. OKAY, GO AHEAD. GREEN LIGHT THOUGH. SORRY. SO MATTHEW FINN, UH, WITH SYCAMORE DEVELOPMENT ADDRESS 16 7 0 5 RUSTIC MEADOWS, DALLAS, TEXAS, AND I DO SWEAR. OKAY, WELL YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US SOME THINGS ABOUT YOUR PROJECT AND PERHAPS I KNOW HERE EARLIER SO YOU KNOW SOME OF THE THINGS ON OUR MIND. YES. AND AND THANK YOU FOR READING THOSE, UH, LENGTHY DESCRIPTIONS. I KNOW THAT WASN'T EASY . UH, SO AS I SAID, MATTHEW FINN WITH SYCAMORE DEVELOPMENT WE'RE THE DEVELOPERS, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT. SO WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING WHAT WE FEEL IS AN INCREDIBLY EXCITING PROJECT, UH, FOR DALLAS AND SPECIFICALLY FOR THE WEST END. UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT US. WE'RE VERY STRATEGIC ABOUT THE TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT WE DEVELOP. UH, WE FOCUS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING SPECIFICALLY. UM, AND SO THE PROJECTS THAT WE REALLY LOOK FOR OR HAVE RECENTLY LOOKED FOR ARE ONE THINGS THAT RESPECT, UH, AND REALLY VALUE HISTORY. SO WE ARE THE RE DEVELOPERS OF THE CABANA HOTEL, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. WE'RE ALSO GONNA PUT TOGETHER A SIMILAR, SIMILAR PROPOSAL FOR THE MAGNOLIA HOTEL. UM, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO HAVE EXPERIENCE IN AND, AND A LOT OF RESPECT FOR. UM, THE OTHER PART WHICH I JUST MENTIONED IS, UH, THIS IS NOT JUST YOUR TYPICAL MARKET RATE, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEX. THIS IS, UH, HAS AN AFFORD A DEEP AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENTS. SO 40% OF THE UNITS ARE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UM, WHICH RANGE IN THEIR A MI LEVELS. AND IF THERE'S MORE INFORMATION, WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT. UM, WE REALLY BELIEVE IN PLACEMAKING, UM, WHICH I THINK SPEAKS A LOT TO THESE TWO STRUCTURES AND THE HISTORY THAT THEY HAVE. [00:20:01] UM, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO US TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE IDENTITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN WHICH THESE PLACES ARE BUILT. AND IN OUR CASE, WHAT WE'RE ADDING ONTO. UM, AND BEING ABLE TO CARRY THAT LEGACY FORWARD FOR THE NEXT A HUNDRED YEARS. AND THERE'S A REAL EMPHASIS, PARTICULARLY WITH THIS PROJECT, UM, THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE. SO MAKING CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE URBAN FABRIC. AND SO I THINK BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO LISTEN INTO THIS MORNING, WE HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS. THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE SAME PROJECT FOR US. AND SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE URBAN FABRIC OR THIS COMES INTO PLAY. IT'S HOW DO THESE TWO HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND THE ADDITION THAT WE'RE DOING ACTUALLY STITCH THEMSELVES TOGETHER. AND WITH THAT, OUR PLAN IS NOT JUST TO REHABILITATE THOSE STRUCTURES, BUT TO REALLY TREAT THIS AS A FULL BLOCK AND A HALF AND MASTER PLAN IT OUT FROM THERE. UM, SO, UM, I I THINK EVERYONE'S AWARE THAT BASED ON THE SITE PLAN THAT WE'RE SEEING, THE DART RAIL IS ON THE, THE NORTH TERMINUS AND EL CENTRO IS AT THE SOUTH. AND SO SOUTH THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK AND A HALF IS A CRITICAL GATEWAY, I THINK FOR THE WEST END, GIVEN THAT IT IS ON A PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM. UM, AND OUR PROJECT IS ESSENTIALLY TO GIVE BACK AUSTIN STREET. SO I, I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP EARLIER WAS, UH, WHETHER THAT SPACE WAS INTENDED TO BE FOR PRIVATE USE EXCLUSIVELY, IT IS NOT. UM, IT IS PUBLICLY USED. AND SO THAT IS, UH, A PEDESTRIAN PROMENADE AND PARK. EXCUSE ME, SIR, THAT IS YOUR TIME. I MOVE TO GIVE THE APPLICANT TWO MORE MINUTES. SECOND. SECOND. EVERYONE SECONDED. WHO WAS THE FIRST SECONDED COMMISSIONER? COMMON SECONDED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. YOU HAVE TWO MORE MINUTES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, SO THAT IS, UH, A PEDESTRIAN PROMENADE AND PARK, UH, THAT IS NOT PRIVATE, NOT EXCLUSIVELY FOR OUR RESIDENTS. UM, AND, AND I THINK WE'LL CREATE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF IMPACT. WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE URBAN DESIGN PEER REVIEW AND SO THESE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT THEY'VE BEEN LOOPED INTO AND WE'RE FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF. UM, I KNOW THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE WE ARE IN THE HISTORIC TAX CREDIT PROCESS AND ADAM IS PROBABLY GONNA SPEAK TO THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE. WHO'S OUR ARCHITECT? WE'VE HAD PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS WITH THC AND THEY'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT AS IT'S PROPOSED RIGHT NOW AS WELL. UM, ONE OF THE ITEMS WHICH I THINK WE WILL END UP COMING BACK TO THAT WAS IN THE LIST THAT I DID SPECIFICALLY JUST WANNA MENTION A COUPLE POINTS IS NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS RELATED TO THE WINDOWS. YOU KNOW, I I THINK WE'RE OPEN TO DISCUSS THAT IN IN MORE DETAIL. I THINK ONE OF THE, THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES FOR US BECAUSE WE STARTED PLANNING THIS PROJECT TWO YEARS AGO, IS THE FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY AS A PART OF THAT, GIVEN THAT A LARGE PORTION OF OUR TENANT BASE IS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THERE'S LIMITATIONS ON WHAT WE CAN CHARGE AND NOT CHARGE. AND THE OTHER THING IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT HAVE ESSENTIALLY QUADRUPLED SINCE THE TIME THAT WE STARTED PLANNING THIS PROJECT TWO YEARS AGO. SO, UM, WITH THAT SAID, WE BROUGHT OUR WHOLE TEAM HERE TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE. UH, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE, LIKE I SAID, A WHOLE LIST OF SPEAKERS. THE NEXT ON THE LIST IS, UH, PHILLIP KINGSTON. HE IS, IS PHILLIP TON ONLINE, I GUESS. OKAY. WELL IT WON'T BE HIM APPARENTLY. HANK THOMAS. OKAY. AND ADAM ADAMS JONES. THAT OKAY. SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO DO THAT. IT'S JUST I WAS UNSURE OF MYSELF. SO, SO SAME THING WITH YOU SIR. I NEED YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. SURE. ADAM JONES, MY ADDRESS 4 3 2 8 NORTH HALL HERE IN DALLAS AND I DO PROMISE. OKAY, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO TELL US ABOUT? OKAY, SO, UH, ECHOING MATT AND ANSWERING THE DESIGN AND GOING THROUGH THE DESIGN NARRATIVE AND HOPEFULLY ANSWERING SOME QUESTIONS FROM THIS MORNING TOO. WANTS TO COVER MY THREE MINUTES, BUT I'LL GO RIGHT IN. SO TO ECHO, MATTHEW, THE NEW EMERSON BE DEVELOPMENT IS A TRANSFORMATIVE MIXED USE PROJECT THAT INCLUDES THE PRESERVATIONS OF TWO UNDERUTILIZED HISTORIC BUILDINGS. A SIX STORY NEW CONSTRUCTION BUILDING AND THE CONVERSION OF AN EXISTING DEAD END STREET. THAT STREET AUSTIN WILL BECOME A LINEAR EO AND PEDESTRIAN GATEWAY TO THE WEST END TRANSIT HUB, ANCHORED BY A PUBLIC PLAZA WITH GENEROUS LANDSCAPING, THE PLAZA WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND NOT JUST FOR RESIDENTS. THE PROJECT WILL PROVIDE MUCH NEEDED AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, GROUND FLOOR, RETAIL AND DINING AND WELCOMING PUBLIC AMENITIES. THE DEVELOPMENT WILL REPLACE THREE DOWNTOWN SURFACE PARKING LOTS, ADVANCING A [00:25:01] SHARED GOAL OF THE CITY AND ITS RESIDENCE TO TRANSFORM UNDERUSED DOWNTOWN BLOCK FROM THE VIBRANT COMMUNITY FOCUSED SPACES. IN DOING SO, RESTORE DALLAS HISTORIC URBAN BLOCK STRUCTURE. UH, THE PROJECT HAS BEEN ADMINISTRATIVELY SPLIT, AS WE ALL KNOW, INTO TWO ADDRESSES. 7 11 8 0 5. THIS AGENDA ITEM SPECIFIC TO 8 0 5 RESTORATION IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW BUILDING, THE, UH, RESTORATION OF 8 8 0 5 ELM, AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW MAIN ESTATE CLOSET. UM, TOGETHER THE ERS AND BRANDHAM BUILDING AND THE NEW CONSTRUCTION FEATURE, 154 APARTMENTS, BOTH LINE WITH BROWN FOR RETAIL AND ALL FACADES. UH, THE EXISTING FIVE STORY EMERSON BRANDING BUILT BUILDING LOCATED AT 8 0 5 ELM WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1904 AND WILL BE CONVERTED TO MULTIFAMILY IN LINE WITH GROUND FLOOR RETAIL. THE HISTORIC BUILDING WILL REMAIN AND BE FULLY RESTORED AND AS PURSUING STATE AND FEDERAL TAX CREDITS FOR THE RENOVATION, THE EXTERIOR SHALL BE REPAIRED. EXISTING NATION SHALL BE REPORTING POINTED AS REQUIRED. ALL THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WILL BE REPAIRED AS WELL. PREVIOUSLY PAINTED SURFACES SHALL BE REPAINTED TO MATCH THE EXISTING, UH, PER THE MUNSELL COLOR CHART. AND NEW METAL CANOPIES SHALL BE INSTALLED IN PLACE OF EXISTING CANVAS ON IT. WITH THE O STREET WEST, RETAIL STOREFRONTS RIPPING SHALL BE REPLACED AND THE NEW ME, UH, NEW ROOFTOP MECHANICAL UNITS SHALL ALSO BE INSTALLED. THOSE UNITS ON THE ROOF ARE LOCATED AWAY FROM THE PARAPETS AND THE BUILDING EDGE INTERNAL TO THE ROOF. TO AVOID INTERVIEW FROM THE PUBLIC WAY. UH, TO ANSWER AN EARLIER QUESTION, THE NEW CANOPY ON THE WEST FACADE OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING WILL BE A FLAT SIX INCH HIGH AND FIVE FOOT DEEP CANOPY ANCHOR TO THAT EXISTING SIX INCH STEEL MEMBER THAT'S, UH, A HEADER ABOVE THE DOOR TRANSO. UM, THOSE INDIVIDUAL CANOPIES ARE INTENDED TO ENHANCE THE VERTICAL BRICK TILE LASTER OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE OF THE BUILDING. UH, A NEW SIX STORY MULTIFAMILY BUILDING SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED ON ADJACENT EMPTY PARKING LOTS TO COMPLETE THE BLOCK. THE NEW BUILDING IS INTENDED TO COMPLIMENT BUT NOT MATCH THE EXISTING HISTORIC EMERSON BURNINGHAM BUILDING TO COMPLY WITH THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABIL REHABILITATION. I THINK THAT WE ALL KNOW THAT NEW WORK SHALL BE DIFFERENTIATED FROM THE OLD AND SHALL BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE MASSING SIZE, SCALE, AND ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES TO PROTECT THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF AND OF THE PROPERTY IN ITS ENVIRONMENT. EXCUSE ME, SIR, THAT IS YOUR TIME. I'LL MOVE TO GIVE THEM A COUPLE MORE MINUTES. SECOND THERE. NO SPECIFIC THAT TOO. TWO MINUTES. ALRIGHT, NOW WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER OSI. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF PROMOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE. YES. AYE. AYE. WHATEVER. OKAY. MAHA, TWO MORE MINUTES HERE. OKAY, KEEP GOING. THE NEW SIX STORY MULTIFAMILY BUILDING FEATURE STOREFRONT AND DART BRICK AT THE BASE RED BRICK AT LEVELS TWO THROUGH FIVE WITH THE TOP LEVEL RECESS WITH ES AND MEDICAL CANOPY WRAPPING THE STRUCTURE THAT DESIGN DIVIDES THE BUILDING INTO A TRIPARTITE CONFIGURATION CONSISTENT WITH THE WEST END AND EXISTING BUILDINGS WITH THE DEFINED BASE SHAFT AND CAPITAL. THE OVERALL DESIGN CONCEPT DRAWS FROM THE WEST END HISTORIC FOUR BUILDING PER BLOCK STRATEGY, INCORPORATING RECESSED ELEMENTS ALONG EACH FACADE TO REFLECT THAT RHYTHM INDIVIDUALLY, SEPARATE THE BUILDING FROM THE EXISTING AND ECHO THE CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT AS PART OF THIS APPROACH. THE EXISTING PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY ALONG AUSTIN STREET WAS INTENTIONALLY PLACED WITHIN THE RE RECESS PORTION TO MAINTAIN THE, UH, TO REINFORCE THE BLOCKS TO HISTORIC CADENCE. TO ADDRESS THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS THIS MORNING, THE RECESS SPACE WAS DESIGNED TO PROVIDE A CONTEMPORARY INTER INTERPRETATION OF THE BASE OF THE TRIPARTITE DESIGN, REINTERPRETING ITS SPATIAL QUALITIES WITHOUT REC REPLICATING ITS STRUCTURAL BELONG. ALSO PROVIDE THE NATURAL CANOPY FOR STREET RETAIL, DINING, PEDESTRIAN, MINI AND WIDER SIDEWALK. ALSO AVOIDING COLUMNS ACCOMMODATES THE EXISTING MASS UTILITY FROM THE SIDEWALK FOR CONSTRUCTION AND ONGOING NEED. THE HEIGHT OF THE NEW BUILDING HAS BEEN INTENTIONALLY LIMITED NOT TO EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THE HISTORIC. AS MENTIONED IN THE PRE-MEETING THE, UH, PROPORTIONS AND MASSING THE SHAFT, OF COURSE TWO TO FIVE LIMITED BUILDING IN THE RECESS OF THE SIXTH FLOOR AND TEND TO BE A VISUAL PRIORITY TO THE EXISTING BUILDING. THE SIDE MATERIALS ARE PRIMARILY FIRED, BRICK AND ME TO ACHIEVE THE MINIMUM 60% OF THE PREDOMINANT OPAQUE ELEMENTS REQUIRED BY ZONING. AS MENTIONED, THE DESIGN OF THE NEW BUILDING IS INTENDED TO COMPLIMENT NOT TO MATCH THE EX CEILING PER THE SECRETARY STANDARDS. WINDOWS INTENTIONALLY DO NOT MATCH THE EXISTING SIX, OVER SIX DIVIDED LIGHT CONFIGURATION OF IT ABOVE ELM. RATHER SINGLE HUNG WINDOWS ARE PROPOSED TO COMPLEMENT THE DIFFERENTIATE THE NEW BUILDING WITH A DESIGN INDICATIVE AND USED PROMINENTLY IN BOTH HISTORIC BUILDING THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT IN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, MATERIALITY. ALSO, UH, WITH THE METAL, THERE'S PRECEDENT IN THE DISTRICT AND ALSO THE VINYL FOR NEW BUILDING INCLUDING, UM, 500, UH, ROSS AND 800 WATS. UH, WE BELIEVE AND HOPE YOU AGREE THAT AESTHETIC OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION LENDS TO THE SINGLE HUNG VERSUS DIVIDED CONFIGURATION FOR REFERENCE AND ALSO LISTED AS A CONDITION WITH THE AGENDA. EXCUSE ME, SIR, THAT IS YOUR TIME. ALL RIGHT. I CAN FILL YOU IN IF NEED DISCUSS. DO YOU NEED TWO MORE MINUTES, SIR? I CAN GET DONE IN TWO MINUTES. YES. OKAY. I NEED SOMEBODY TO SAY SOMETHING. I'M GONNA TO GET IN TWO MORE MINUTES. WE CAN JUST RECORD YOU SAYING THAT. OKAY. SECOND. AND YOU AND COMMISSIONER [00:30:01] PRE TWO SECONDS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? SO YES, YES, YES, YES. OKAY, GO AHEAD. OKAY. SO TEXAS LOCAL MISSION NATIONAL PARK SHIPPERS, WE ALREADY ASKED FOR THE PRELIMINARY FEEDBACK AND THEIR QUOTE WAS, THEIR OFFICE IS ON BOARD WITH PROCEEDING WITH THE NEW CONSTRUCTION AS DESIGNED, AND WE ARE PROCEEDING WITH THAT FULL APPLICATION. LAST BUT NOT LEAST FOR THE CO OA IS THE RECONFIGURATION AND TRANSFORMATION OF AUSTIN STREET RUNNING THE WEST FACADE OF THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT TO A PUBLIC LANDSCAPE PLAZA, ALONG WITH A VACANT LOT NORTHEAST SEVEN 11. NOW AUSTIN IS AN EXISTING STREET SUMMIT, DEAD ENDING TO THE DART LINE OF THE NORTH IN DALLAS COLLEGE OF THE SOUTH AND WILL BE VACATED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS. THE PLAZA SHALL FEATURE A WIDE RED BRICK PROMENADE TO ECHO THE VACATED STREET, CONNECTING THE EXISTING DART STOP AS A PEDESTRIAN PROMENADE TO THE WEST END. ADDITIONAL SIGN AMENS INCLUDING EVENT LAWN, SIDEWALK DINING, NEW PEDESTRIAN, PEDESTRIAN LEVEL LIGHTING, MAINTENANCE, FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING AND SHADE TREES, AS WELL AS ART INSTALLATIONS. AN OPEN LANDSCAPE MASONRY WALLS SHOULD SEPARATE THE PLAZA FROM THE EXISTING DART PLATFORM WOULD BEEN NEW NORTH. THE DESIGN REPRESENTS POST FORMATION WITH VARIOUS GROUPS AND STAKEHOLDERS, INCLUDING THE TEXAS COMMISSION, THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, DART, DART POLICE, DOWNTOWN DALLAS INC. AND THE CITY OF DALLAS. WE ALSO APPRECIATE THE ASSISTANCE OF LANDMARK STAFF, SPECIFICALLY DR. DON WITH THIS, UH, WITH THEIR HEALTH IN THE CERTIFICATE OF APP, APPROPRIATE THIS APPLICATION. I THINK THAT'S IT, WITH THAT I CAN PICK QUESTIONS LATER. OKAY. YEAH, WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS AFTER WE HAVE ONE MORE REGISTERED SPEAKER. GUSTAVO DE LEON. OKAY. ALRIGHT THEN LET US OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS OF OUR MANY SPEAKERS WHO HAD PLENTY EARLIER. SO PLENTY MORE. I CANNOT SEE THOSE WHO ARE AT HOME, SO THEY WILL HAVE TO CALL OUT. UH, COMMISSIONER RENO HAS RAISED YOUR HAND. FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA, UH, APPLAUD THE TEAM FOR ALL THE EFFORT AND, UH, UM, AND THE PREPARATION OF THE SUBMISSION. I THINK IT'S, UH, BOTH THE, THE QUALITY OF THE MATERIALS, THE ARTICULATION OF THE, UH, ADMINISTRATION, THE WAY THE THE TOP FLOOR SETS BACK TO, TO SET A, UH, OR TO GIVE THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, UH, A SENSE OF PROMINENCE. UH, I THINK THEY'VE, THEY'VE ALL BEEN, UH, BEAUTIFUL MOVES, UH, WELL ARTICULATED. UM, I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON, UM, UH, JUST A FEW OF THE ITEMS. ONE IN PARTICULAR WAS, UM, THE ARCADE. I HAD MENTIONED THIS IN THE, THE MEETING, UH, EARLIER THIS MORNING. I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT FROM THE DRAWINGS ABOUT HOW, UH, DEEP THAT SETBACK IS AT GRADE FROM THE, FROM THE SECOND FLOOR. IT'S ABOUT SIX FEET OR SO. YEAH. UH, AND THEN HOW IS THAT, THAT CEILING, UH, OF THE ARCADE BEING TREATED? IS THAT, UM, UH, JUST A NATURAL CONCRETE OR SOMETHING ELSE? NO, IT'LL BE A FLAT, PROBABLY PLASTER OR, OKAY. YEAH. I WAS TRYING TO, TO, UM, DECIPHER FROM THE ELEVATION. SO, UM, UH, AS THE MATERIALS WERE CALLED OUT. OKAY. UM, AND THEN, SO I ALSO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT ON, UH, THE GUARDRAIL ON THE, THE TOP FLOOR TOO IS GLASS. SO PRIMARILY IT'LL, IT'LL JUST BLEND IN WITH THE, THE FACADE RIGHT BEHIND IT, SO IT'LL ALL APPEAR BLACK. THAT'S THE IDEA. YEAH. YEAH. YES. UM, NOW YOU'VE ALSO DONE THAT WELL WITH THE COLOR OF THE BRICK ON THE, UM, AT THE PODIUM. UM, AGAIN, TO HELP IT RECEDE. I MEAN, I, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE, THE, THE TRIPARTITE DESIGN THAT, UM, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND TO, TO GET THAT, TO, TO FEEL LIKE IT RECEDES, UM, A LITTLE FURTHER. I, AGAIN, THIS THE, THE SORT OF SENSE OF THE FACT THAT IT'S KIND OF FLOATING IS A LITTLE BIT QUESTIONABLE. I, UM, I WAS JUST GONNA KIND OF OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION TO SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE FEELS THE SAME WAY, BUT, UH, UH, BUT OTHERWISE I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A REALLY NICE DESIGN. OKAY. WELL THAT WAS COMPLIMENTARY. ARE YOU ASKING US TO CHIME IN ON WHAT WE THINK OF THE, UM, SETBACK AT THE FIRST LEVEL? YES. AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A FLAT FACADE. IT, IT WOULD SEEM LIKE NOT HAVING THE SETBACK WOULD FIT IN BETTER WITH MOST OF WHAT YOU SEE AROUND THIS FORMER INDUSTRIAL AREA, MR. PRE. SURE. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE WELL QUESTION, COMMENT ABOUT THE WINDOWS. CAN WE ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT MORE? CAN WE ZOOM IN ON THAT DR. DON? IS THAT POSSIBLE? YEAH. ON NOT ON THE HISTORIC BUILDING. ON THE ADDITION OR THE YEAH, THE ADDITION SECTION. THE LOWER RIGHT. YEAH. GO, GO, GO, GO. UPSET. SO I GUESS MY COMMENT IS REALLY THE WAY THE, UM, WINDOW UNITS ARE BEING TREATED AND WITH THAT OUTLINE OF THAT DARK, UH, I GUESS IT'S A BLACK BRICK OR IS AROUND THE, THE WINDOWS. IS THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND THE WINDOW OPENING? SO ANYWAY, SO YOU'VE GOT TWO, TO ME, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IT READS AS A VERY LARGE SCALE WINDOW [00:35:01] BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE BLACK OUTLINES BOTH FLOORS AND HAVING THE DIFFERENT, UM, MATERIAL IN BETWEEN THE SPAND PANEL, BETWEEN THE TWO WINDOWS. I WOULD ALMOST RATHER SEE IT THAT GONE AND JUST BE THE SAME BRICK COLOR. AND THEN THE BLACK COULD STILL OUTLINE THE, THE WINDOWS, BUT THEY'D BE SEPARATE INSTEAD OF TOGETHER. 'CAUSE I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM FAR AWAY, IT JUST SEEMS VERY, THE, UM, UH, EXPLAIN IT, IT JUST SEEMS VERY, UH, IT SEEMS OUTTA SCALE FOR THE REST, REST OF THE, UM, WINDOW PATTERNING IN THE WEST, WEST EL I MUST, YEAH, WEST END, WEST ELM, NOT WEST ELM EITHER. I WAS THINKING ELM STREET AND WEST AND PUTTING THEM TOGETHER. UH, WEST END, UH, DISTRICT. CAN I ANSWER THAT? YES. OKAY. SO YEAH, THE REASON WE DID THAT, AND IT'S NOT BRICK IN THE MIDDLE OF THOSE OR BETWEEN THE BANDING OF WINDOWS. SO THE WINDOW GROUPING IS THE TWO OVER TWO. AND THEN WE HAVE A, A METAL, UH, WRAP THAT GOES AROUND. AND THEN THERE'S METAL PANEL BETWEEN, SO IT'S NOT BRICK AND BETWEEN, SO THAT BECOMES A METAL FEATURE, BUT THE INTENTION OF THOSE TO KIND OF COMPLIMENT ON A CONTEMPORARY INTERPRETATION EXISTING BUILDING, THOSE WINDOWS ARE VERY LINEAR AND HAVE BAY THAT DIVIDES THEM. SO THAT GIVES US THAT OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE AND REPLICATE THAT LANGUAGE IN A DIFFERENT WAY. YEAH. COMMISSIONER C*****G THAT DAY, I, I'M KIND OF GLAD YOU THAT YOU REFERRED TO, UH, THE WINDOWS ON THAT. I, I TOO THINK THAT THE VERTICAL, UM, FENESTRATION, THE OPENING IS ACCENTUATED WHERE, AND IT KIND OF BREAKS UP TRYING TO BE COMPLIMENTARY OF THE EXISTING BUILDING'S, UH, RHYTHM. SO I KIND OF, KIND OF SEE WHERE COMMISSIONER'S GOING WITH THAT ON THE, THE ELONGATED VERTICALNESS OF THERE. AND THEN HAVING THAT SPANDREL PANEL IN THE MIDDLE BEING A DIFFERENT MATERIAL HELPS ACCENTUATE THAT AS WELL. UM, AND THE QUE I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE BRICK IS, UM, THESE OPENINGS, THEY'RE JUST BASICALLY PUNCHED THROUGH A ONE, JUST A, THE BRICK FACADE. I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY, UH, BRICK HEADER, BRICK, UH, ANY KIND OF SEAL UH, DETAILING. IT'S JUST MONOLITHIC BRICK, UH, FIELD. IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S, THERE'S NO SEAL THERE DETAIL OR HEADER DETAILS OR ANYTHING. SO ON LEVELS TWO THROUGH FOUR, THE METAL BANDING THAT PROJECTS FROM THE FACE OF THE B CREATES THAT LENTIL. RIGHT. IT READS AS A STEEL ELEMENT BAND. YEAH. AND THAT'S KIND OF AWAY FROM THE, UH, THE FACADE GIVEN YOUR SHADOW LINE. YES, SIR. RIGHT. UHHUH. YEAH. AND THEN AT THE BASE WE DO HAVE THAT ARTICULATION AND THE, THE SILVER PORTIONS AND LOOSES THAT WAS REQUESTED BY CITY DESIGN STUDIO, WE ENHANCE THE, UH, THE LOWER MASONRY WITH SOME OF THAT . YEAH. UM, YEAH, I HAVE CONCERN WITH THE, THE, THE RHYTHM OF THAT AND IT NOT SPEAKING, UH, TO THE RHYTHM OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS. UM, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. UH, I THINK WE HAD ANOTHER ANSWER TO IT. THE ONE YOU JUST SAID. OH, I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. CONTINUE. YEP. I'M SORRY. SO I, I THINK TWO OTHER MOTIVATIONS WITH THIS, AND ONE OF THEM I THINK CAME UP MAYBE ON A SEPARATE TOPIC, BUT THE ORIGINAL BUILDING IS FIVE STORIES THAT HAS HIGH FLOOR TO FLOOR BECAUSE IT WAS USED AS A WAREHOUSE ORIGINALLY. WE'RE DOING SIX STORIES OVER THE SAME PORTION. RIGHT. SO THE FLOOR TO FLOOR LEVELS GET MUCH SHALLOWER. AND SO I THINK US DOING THIS WAS TRYING TO HONOR THAT SCALE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN IF WE SEPARATE THOSE INTO INDIVIDUAL WINDOWS, IT'S GONNA READ AS IF THIS BUILDING IS THE FLOOR LEVELS THAT IT HAS, WHICH IS QUITE A BIT SHORTER THAN THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, UNLESS THERE WAS ANOTHER APPROACH TO BRICK DETAILING AND HAVING BRICK IN THE, UH, HAVING ANOTHER APPROACH. I CAN UN I RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I UNDERSTAND. UH, UH, POSSIBLY. UM, I'D LIKE TO ALSO, UH, ASK ABOUT, AND THIS MIGHT BE TO STAFF, UH, GOING BACK TO THE, UH, UH, PUTTING A, UH, CAVEAT OF THC AND, UH, AND FEDERAL HAVING THEIR APPROVALS ON, UH, AS A CONDITION. NOW IT WOULDN'T COME BACK TO US AT ALL 'CAUSE IT WOULD JUST, WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE APPROVAL. BUT WHAT IF THEY HAVE APPROVALS WITH CONDITIONS THAT THC AND THEY HAVE A APPROVED WITH CONDITION AND THAT CONDITION MAY BE SUBSTANTIAL OF SOME SORT. SO WE BLIND, BASICALLY, IF WE, IF IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO US IN ANY KIND OF WAY, THEN WE DON'T SEE IT AGAIN AND THEY APPROVE IT. BUT IT, [00:40:01] IT WAS BASED UPON A LARGE, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, CONDITION. I WAS JUST WONDERING, SHOULD WE BE FIRST IN LINE TO GIVE A CAVEAT OF A, A BLOCK OF AN APPROVAL OR SHOULD WE BE LAST IN LINE AND THEN TAKING A LOOK AT WHAT THEIR APPROVAL WAS BEFORE WE STAMP AND GO, IF THERE ARE APPROVALS WITH, IF IT COMES BACK FROM THC, OUR NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AND IT'S CHANGES TO THE DESIGN, THEN THAT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO US. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR OF AND THEN WE WERE ALL CLEAR OF THAT. YEAH. THAT NEEDS TO COME BACK. OKAY. IF THERE WAS CONDITIONS THAT WOULD DEFINITELY TRIGGER IT TO, TO IT BACK ON US. BACK TO US, YES. YEAH. TRIGGER. UM, IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, GO AHEAD. I'M KIND OF, I'M KIND OF PROCESSING AT THE MOMENT. OH YEAH, ALICE, GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER REEVES, HAS ANYBODY ADDRESSED THE AWNINGS YET? UH, ASK WHATEVER YOU WISH TO ASK COMMISSIONER REE. WELL, I'M AT A DISADVANTAGE BECAUSE I DID NOT SEE ANY OF THIS DURING THE BRIEFING, BUT I CAN SEE IT NOW. UH, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION DURING THE BRIEFINGS OF A SINGLE AWNING VERSUS THE PER WINDOW. HOW WOULD THEY BE ATTACHED WITHOUT, UH, TO THE BRICK? THEY, THEY LOOK LIKE THE ONES THAT I SAW, IT'S TOO HEAVY TO BE ATTACHED JUST TO THE MORTAR. SO ON THE CANOPIES ON THAT WEST ELEVATION, THEY'RE SIX INCH HIGH IS THE PROFILE AND FIVE FOOT WIDE OR FIVE FOOT PROTECTION, A VERY THIN, THE FLAT. AND THEN THE EXISTING STEEL STOREFRONT WITH THERE HAS A SIX INCH EXISTING PETTER WITH STEEL ABOVE THE TRANSOM OF THAT DOOR. SO THOSE ARE PLACED AT THAT AND WE TEND TO ALIGN AND ATTACH TO THAT. UM, SO THAT IS A STRUCTURAL THOUGHT BEHIND THIS. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE DESIGN GOES, UH, AND WE SOURCE THOSE THROUGH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE. THEY LIKE THE IDEA TO DO INDIVIDUAL CANOPIES BECAUSE IT EXPRESSES THE ITY OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN THAT THE, UH, BRICK PIE BETWEEN. AND BECAUSE THE, YOU KNOW, CONTINUOUS CANOPY WAS NOT THERE BEFORE, IN THEIR OPINION, THEY WOULD PREFER TO SEE THIS APPLICATION. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER RES? ACTUALLY, I'M SURE HE MIGHT HAVE, BUT I COULDN'T HEAR HIM. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? JUST BARELY. OKAY, I'M GONNA SPEAK REALLY CLOSE TO THE MICROPHONE. YES. . . ALL RIGHT. SO THE CANOPIES, THEY ARE SIX INCHES HIGH AND ONLY PROJECTED FIVE FEET FROM THE FACE OF THE BUILDING. AND THEY'RE FLAT, SO JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT ANGLED. UM, SO THE EXISTING STEEL STOREFRONT THAT WE'RE RETAINING AND KEEPING AND RESTORING HAS A SIX INCH HIGH STEEL HEADER ABOVE THE TRANSOM OF THE DOOR. SO WE'RE ALIGNING AND NOT, YOU KNOW, ALTERING THAT SIX INCH PROFILE AND ANCHORING THE CANOPY TO THAT. AND THEN AS FAR AS DESIGN, AND THE REASON WE CHOSE THE INDIVIDUAL, INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATES VERSUS THE, YOU KNOW, LINEAR CANOPY THAT HAD SOME PRECEDENCE IS BECAUSE THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE PREFERS THIS OPTION TO HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL CANOPIES INSERTED IN THE BAYS BETWEEN THE BRICK VERTICAL COLUMNS THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN. UM, THEY BELIEVE THAT ACCENTUATES THOSE, WHICH THEY THINK IS A, A HIGHER PRIORITY AS FAR AS CHARACTER DIVINE FEATURE, AND THAT A CONTINUOUS HORIZONTAL CANOPY WOULD ACTUALLY DE DETRACT FROM THAT. THANK YOU. UH, IS ANYBODY ELSE AT HOME HAVE A QUESTION? 'CAUSE I CAN'T SEE YOU. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER PRESIDENT. ALL RIGHT. BACK, BACK TO THE WINDOW. THE TALKING , THE WINDOWS IN THE NEW, THE NEW, UH, NEW EDITION. SO IN THE STAFF, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THE, THAT THE NEW WINDOWS BE ALUMINUM, NOT VINYL, UM, WITH CONFIGURATION OF SIX OVER SIX. IF YOU COULD TALK ABOUT THE CHOICE OF THE WINDOW MATERIAL AND THE SIX OVER SIX CONFIGURATION. YEAH. AS FAR AS THE SIX OVER SIX, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO MATCH THE BUILDING. IN FACT, IT'S INTENDED NOT TO EVEN READ AS AN ADDITION, BUT AN ENTIRELY NEW BUILDING. UM, OBVIOUSLY WE WANTED TO COMPLIMENT THE OLD BUILDING, RESPECT IT WITH HEIGHT AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS REGARDING THE WINDOWS. UH, WE INTENTIONALLY DID NOT CHOOSE THE SIX OVER SIX. IT'S A MORE, YOU KNOW, CONTEMPORARY VERSION OF SOMETHING THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE DISTRICT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF PRECEDENCE AROUND THE DISTRICT, BOTH WITH EXISTING BUILDINGS. I WENT BACK AND LOOKED, THERE'S ABOUT 12 OF 'EM THAT HAVE THE ONE OVER ONE METAL AND WOOD. AND THEN NEW CONSTRUCTION, [00:45:01] ALMOST ALL OF THEM ARE THE SINGLE HOME, JUST ONE OVER ONE. AND THEN, AND THEN THE NEW ONES ARE VINYL, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED AND BUILT IN THE, UH, WEST END DISTRICT AS WELL. SO THAT'S WHY THE ZONING DIDN'T CALL OUT MATERIALITY FOR WINDOWS AS FAR AS WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO. UM, AND WE WENT WITH, YOU KNOW, FOR BUDGET CONSTRAINTS AS FAR AS THE VINYL, AND IT'S ONLY ON FLOORS TO AND ABOVE. ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN TOUCH ON THE GROUND FLOOR PLAN IS METAL OR BRICK. SO ARE THEY VINYL CLAD WOOD WINDOWS OR ARE THEY, I MEAN, I MEAN IN THE SHEET HERE IT SAYS VINYL CLAD WINDOW, ARE THEY COMPLETELY VINYL? UH, THEY'RE THEY'RE VINYL, YES. COMPLETELY. OKAY. SO THEY'RE NOT VINYL CLAD THEN. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY, ANYBODY? YEAH, I HAVE ONE MORE FOLLOW UP. UM, FOR THE BRICK COURSING, UM, I MEAN I, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE, THE PROPORTIONS OF WINDOWS AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, TO BE SYMPATHETIC, BUT NOT, UH, NOT DUPLICATING. BUT THEN I WAS ALSO, BUT THEN I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE, THE BRICK COURSING. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WENT WITH STACKED RATHER THAN RUNNING BOND OR SOME OTHER BOND. NO, IT'S, IT'S RUNNING BOND. OH, OKAY. OKAY. AND THE RENDERINGS, IT'S, UH, IT'S STACKED. OKAY, GREAT. SO I, I THINK ONE GENERAL CLARIFICATION, JUST 'CAUSE THIS SHOULD CLEAR UP ANOTHER QUESTION THAT OCCURRED EARLIER. THE BLACK AND WHITE TECHNICAL DRAWINGS ARE THE MOST CURRENT VERSION OF THE PROJECT, THOUGH THE RENDERED WERE AN EARLIER SCHEMATIC. I, I THINK THAT'S WHERE I SAW IT FIRST WAS ON THE FLAT ELEVATIONS. IF THEY WERE STACKED. YEP. GOTCHA. WHEN YOU SAY ONE OVER ONE, WE'RE STILL, IT'S STILL THIS, UM, THIS SMALLER MOVEMENT, THIS WHERE IT'S A, LIKE A WINDOW AT THE SIZE AND THEN THIS, THE ONE OVER IS THE LARGE VERTICAL. YEAH. UH, OKAY. THAT'S, I JUST THINK THERE'S SOME CONCERN ABOUT WHEN WE MOVE TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A HISTORIC AND THEN WE MOVE TOO MUCH TO THE OTHER DIRECTION OF MAKING IT MODERN. I THINK THAT SOMETIMES THAT NEEDLE MIGHT MOVE A LITTLE TOO FAR AND IT STARTS BECOMING NOT RESPECTIVE. AND THE RHYTHM, AND I, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET MY HANDS AROUND THE MODERN, UH, WINDOW AND FENESTRATION OPENINGS ALONG WITH THAT SPANDREL PANEL. UH, THAT'S IN BETWEEN, UM, THIS IS WHAT, WHERE I'M KIND OF PAUSING, UH, ON THIS, UH, I JUST THINK THE, THE ONE OVER ONE WITH THAT DESIGN OF THE HORIZONTAL MOIN, UH, IS SO MODERN. THE, THE, THE SHADOW LINE OF THE, UH, THE OPENING AND THE SPAN ROPE PANEL. I, I JUST KIND OF FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'VE MOVED POSSIBLY A LITTLE TOO MODERN FOR THIS APPLICATION AND IT'S NOT IN RHYTHM AND SYMPATHETIC TO HISTORIC. IS IT THE POSITION OF THE MILLION IN THE MIDDLE? SAY AGAIN? IS IT THE POSITION OF THE METAL METAL? UM, IT'S THAT, UH, A LITTLE BIT WITH ALL OF IT RIGHT NOW WITH, WITH ME. THE, THE WAY THE WINDOW FRAMING KIND OF STICKS OUT, MAKING A SHADOW LINE BEING MODERN TO THE FACE OF THE BRICK TO THE, THE, THE HORIZONTAL WHAT YOU THE YEAH, THE HORIZONTAL BEING LOW. UM, AND I UNDERSTAND AND THE SPAND AND THE SPANDREL PANEL, THE METAL, IT'S A METAL BLACK SPANDREL PANEL. THAT'S CORRECT, YES. UHHUH, MATCH'S THE ONE THAT I JUST THINK IT'S MAYBE POSSIBLY MOVING TOO, TOO MUCH TO THE MODERN, UH, FOR THAT. UM, ONE OTHER QUESTION I DO, I RAISED MY CONCERN, UM, BUT THE QUESTION ALSO, THE, UM, EXTENSION, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF, THE EXTENSION OF THE BALCONIES THAT GO OVER THE SIDEWALK THAT GOES BEYOND THE FACE OF THE BUILDING. YEAH. THAT IS JUST AT THE INSETS WHERE THE, WE HAVE A SEPARATION TO BETWEEN THE MASK. RIGHT. I JUST WONDERING IF THAT, DO WE HAVE, UH, THOSE GOING DOWN ELM STREET AND CERTAIN APPLICATIONS THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THIS? UH, I MEAN WITH CANOPIES AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT PROJECT YEAH. THAT REQUIRE LICENSING. IT JUST THAT KIND OF, WE DON'T HAVE IT ON HISTORIC BUILDINGS. I, I ASSUME, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER MODERN THING THAT KIND OF MOVES TO THAT TO, TO ME. UH, OKAY. I, I SAID, AND I KNOW ALL THAT STUFF IS TRICKY. I KNOW, I KNOW THAT ALL THE TIME. I WOULD SAY ON THE WINDOWS. YEAH. I MEAN THE SIX OVER SIX, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE PUT THE SIX OVER SIX ON THIS SIDE, MY OPINION AS FAR AS THE DESIGN OF THE NEW BUILDING, IT JUST TRIES TO MATCH IT TOO MUCH. NOW WHEN IT COMES TO THE ONE OVER ONE, WE COULD DEFINITELY DO THE CENTER MILLION. SO IT'S MORE TYPICAL WITH THE REST OF THE BUILDING. YEAH. UM, JUST THE SIX, UH, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, TRIES TO MATCH TOO MUCH. BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY CHANGE THAT PROFILE. WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR DIMENSION GOING OFF ON SUBJECT? UH, UH, THE HEADER, [00:50:01] THE TOP, THE TOP WINDOW. HOW MANY BRICK HORSES IS THAT RIGHT THERE? THAT, IS THAT LIKE FOUR BRICK HORSES? UH, I WAS GONNA GUESS AROUND FOUR TWO, ABOUT FOUR PROBABLY. THAT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE THIN WHEN WE HAVE THE, THE SURROUND OF EVERYWHERE ELSE HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BRICK MASS. UM, IT'S, IT IS THE, FROM THAT, FROM THE BOTTOM OF THAT GLASS RAILING TO THE TOP OF THE TOP WINDOW. UM, I'M PROBABLY NITPICKING A LITTLE BIT. I'M SORRY. ALRIGHT. UH, COMMISSIONER REEVES. OH, I WANTED TO MENTION THAT WE HAVE HAD, UM, JUST HANG ON A SECOND. UH, HOUSEKEEPING. WE HAVE HAD, UH, SOMEONE ASK ABOUT WHY THE PRESENTATION OF WHAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS IS NOW SHOWING AS TINY LITTLE PRINT AND RIDICULOUS BLOCKS ON OUR AGENDA. AND I ASKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME, IT'S OUR NEW SYSTEM, DALLAS. NOW, WHEN YOU PUT IT IN AND YOU'RE TYPING IN YOUR INFORMATION, IT LOOKS RIDICULOUS. AND WHEN IT PRINTS OUT FOR STAFF, IT LOOKS EVEN WORSE APPARENTLY. AND THAT'S NOT ANYTHING ANYBODY CAN DO ABOUT IT IS ALSO VERY SMALL TYPE. PERHAPS STAFF COULD ENLARGE IT, BUT OF COURSE ONE CAN DO THAT ON WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR PDF, YOU CAN JUST HIT THE, THE PLUS UNTIL IT'S BIG ENOUGH TO READ . HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY THAT WILL WORK. UH, COMMISSIONER REEVES? YES, UH, I DID COMPLAIN ABOUT, AND THE FACT IS ONE WORD FOLLOWED BY ANOTHER WORD ON THE NEXT LINE AND ANOTHER WORD ON THE NEXT LINE IS REALLY HARD TO READ. BUT SOMEWHERE, WAS THERE A MENTION OF A CAFE ? I'VE GONE, I'M TRYING TO LOOK BACK THROUGH THE, THIS VERY LONG. YEAH. THE, THE CAFE OR DINING MIN MENTIONING WAS THAT THE ENTIRE STOREFRONT, THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT ON BOTH SEVEN 11, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE. AND THEN THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, BOTH THE EXISTING AND NEW CONSTRUCTION, CONSTRUCTION HAVE RETAIL LINING ALL FOUR SIDES. UM, SO YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, MAYBE NOT A GIANT MARKET FOR IT, BUT HOPEFULLY AS THE, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPS, THERE'S LOTS OF OPPORTUNITY AND THE PEDESTRIAN PLAZA ALLOWS FULL SIDEWALK DINING, THE SHADE TREES AND, AND THAT , I JUST WANNA SPEAK TO PAST EXPERIENCE. I WAS CHAIR WHEN A MISTAKE WAS MADE THAT ALLOWED OUTSIDE DINING IN THE WEST ENDS. AND THEN THE TEXAS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE COMMISSION REQUIRED IT ALL TO BE FENCED. SO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. YES. ONE. AND IF THE, UH, TENANTS HAVE A FOOD AND BEVERAGE VENUE, UM, THEY'LL HAVE TO PROVIDE A BARRIER AND WE CAN REVIEW THAT TOGETHER AT THAT POINT. OKAY. SO LOTS OF FUTURE WORK FOR US. IT SOUNDS A LOT OF BEARS. ALRIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? ARE YOU STILL THINKING? WELL, WELL, I HAVE ONE. YOU OFFER US, YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS FOR YOUR PANELS HERE. A METAL PANEL, A PRE-FINISHED BLACK DARK HOLE, OR DARK BRONZE AND A SEUS PANEL IN THE SAME COLORS. IS THE OUS PANEL FEEL LIKE CONCRETE IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY UP NEXT TO IT? AND IS THAT SINCE I, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, SPECIFY THINGS FOR BUILDINGS, IS THAT LIKE THAT EFA STUFF OR IS IT THICK ENOUGH THAT IT WON'T GET INJURED ALL THE TIME? NO, IT'S LIKE AN EQUITONE PANEL IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR, BUT IT CEMENTITIOUS IT'S SMOOTH SO IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT TEXTURE OF CONCRETE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT IS ONLY AT THE TOP RECESS PORTION OF THE SIXTH FLOOR AND DOWN THE BANDS, UH, THE GROUND FLOOR STOREFRONT, ALL THE METAL BANDING ON THE WINDOWS AND EVERYTHING REALLY FROM LEVELS ONE THROUGH THE FIFTH FLOOR, EXCEPT FOR THE VERTICAL RECESS BANDS ARE METAL. AND THEN THE PREDOMINANT FACADE MATERIAL, THE 60% IS FIRE, BRICK, AND METAL. SO THAT WOULD NOT BE PART OF THAT 60%. OKAY. ALRIGHTY. IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW WHAT WE MUST DO NEXT? I HAVE A MOTION. . OKAY, COMMISSIONER. OW. THANK YOU FOR BEING SO DEPENDABLE. OKAY. UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM TWO, UH, 8 0 5 ELM STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS COA 2 5 1 5 4. UM, I'M GONNA GO POINT BY POINT IT THAT, UM, LET'S SEE, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE THAT, UM, WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, ALONG WITH CONDITIONS AS STATED ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF CONDITION OR STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDATION ALONG WITH CONDITIONS AS STATED. ITEM NUMBER THREE THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION ALONG WITH CONDITIONS AS STATED. ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UM, THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION ALONG WITH CONDITIONS. ITEM NUMBER [00:55:01] FIVE AS, UM, UM, LET'S SEE AS, UH, PROPOSED BY STAFF ITEM NUMBER SIX, UM, WITH, UH, THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ALONG WITH, UH, CONDITIONS OF THE PERIMETER. FENCING BEING 70% OPEN. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS, UH, APPROVED, UH, WITH FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ALONG WITH CONDITIONS. UM, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, UM, YEAH, THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION ALONG WITH THE CONDITION THAT, UM, ALUMINUM, NOT VINYL, UH, WINDOWS, UH, ONE OVER ONE AS PROPOSED IN THE DRAWINGS. UM, ACTUALLY, SO THAT JUST MEANS , UH, IT'S APPROVED WITHOUT CONDITIONS. HOW, OH, SORRY, SORRY. IT'S NOT, IT'S UM, IT, IT'S APPROVED WITH A CONDITION THAT, UM, UH, VINYL WILL BE SUBSTITUTED FOR RATHER THAT ALUMINUM BE, UH, SUBSTITUTED FOR VINYL. AND ITEM NUMBER NINE, UM, THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION ALONG WITH CONDITIONS AS STATED. SECOND. OKAY. WAIT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER, I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, IN THE MIDST OF ALL THAT, DID WE ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT MANY HAVE EXPRESSED ABOUT THE WINDOW DESIGN AND THE NEW ONE? IS IT SUFFICIENT? I LEFT THEM AS THEY WERE. OH, ALL I DID WAS SWITCH THE MATERIAL YEAH. ON THE WINDOW FRAME. BUT EVERY, WE HAD A LOT OF CONCERNS AND WE DO THIS SOMETIMES AND I UNDERSTOOD WHY WE TALK ABOUT, I DON'T REALLY LIKE THIS THAT MUCH. I THINK WE SHOULD BE DIFFERENT, BUT THEN WE DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT. LIKE, I LIKE THEM AS THEY ARE, UM, OPEN TO ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS. I AGREE. YOU AGREE WITH, YOU WANT 'EM TO BE THE WAY THEY'RE, I HAVE NOT EXPRESSED AN OPINION, THEREFORE YOU DON'T KNOW WHICH ALL MIGHT BE ON THAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS UPON MS. MOTION? UH, I HAVE COMMENT, UH, AT I'M IN AGREEMENT OF ALL THE CONDITIONS EXCEPT FOR I HAVEN'T GOT MY HAND AROUND ON THE, UH, MODERN WINDOWS YET. AND SO THAT CONCERN, UH, IN ITSELF, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION TO, TO APPROVE. UH, I DON'T AT THE MOMENT HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS AND READY TO DESIGN FROM THE FLOOR, BUT I JUST THINK THAT WHAT WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED MIGHT JUST BE A LITTLE TOO MODERN, UH, AND IT WOULD, UH, DISTRACT FROM THE RHYTHM AND I THINK IT WOULD DISTRACT FROM THE, UM, SYMPATHETIC, UH, TO THE, UH, HISTORIC, UH, NATURE. OKAY. MR. EY? UM, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS ON THE WINDOW DIVISION. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE EQUAL. THEN I ALSO HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE SPAN PANEL, WHICH, WHICH BE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. BUT THAT WAS MY REALLY, I THINK THE OVERALL DESIGN IS GOOD AT JUST THE WINDOWS TO ME. BUT THAT'S HOLD UP FOR ME. OKAY. ANYONE AT HOME HAVE ANY COMMENTS THEY WISH TO MAKE ON THIS? OH, COMMISSIONER REEDS. I AGREE ON THE WINDOWS. I THINK THEY'RE TOO MODERN. I ALSO AGREE ON THE WINDOW. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. I AGREE ON THE WINNERS. I THINK THEY'RE ALSO TRUE MODERN. OKAY. COMMISSIONER PEL, HANG ON. , WE TOUCHED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER ABOUT THE, UH, VINYL VERSUS ALUMINUM IN REGARDS TO THE DEEP AFFORDABILITY THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING, BUT WE DIDN'T GET INTO A CONVERSATION REALLY ABOUT HOW IT IMPACTS THE PERFORM. NOW THAT THAT'S A, A PART OF THE MOTION. UM, I'D LIKE TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT IS IN ORDER TO BE SUPPORTIVE OR NOT. YEP. SO, UM, AND, AND THERE'S PROBABLY A MIDDLE GROUND TOO, WHICH I COULD THROW OUT THERE POTENTIALLY, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT IS A SIX FIGURE DELTA. IT'S MORE THAN HALF A MILLION OR THAT'S MORE THAN HALF A MILLION DOLLARS ADDED TO OUR PROJECT COSTS THAT GO FROM VINYL TO ALUMINUM. REMIND ME, THAT WAS JUST ABOVE, UH, IS IT THE THIRD FLOOR AND ABOVE THAT YOU IT IS SECOND FLOOR AND UP. SO TWO THROUGH SIX ARE THE WINDOWS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE AT HOME WHO HASN'T ALREADY SPOKEN AFTER WE MADE OUR MOTION THAT I CAN CALL ON BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA MISS YOU. I KNOW, BUT SHE HAS. I WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S NO ONE ELSE WAITING THAT I CANNOT SEE. OKAY. ALLISON? I MEAN, COMMISSIONER REEVES. SORRY, . YOU, YOU KNOW WHO I'M ASKING. THAT'S MY NAME. UH, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN VOTE ON EVERYTHING ELSE EXCLUDING THE WINDOWS? UM, PROBABLY WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO IS IF WE DECIDE THAT THIS, IF THIS MOTION IS NOT AMENDED AND WE DECIDE IT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT AND MAJORITY DOES, THEY JUST HAVE TO VOTE IT DOWN AND WE MAKE A NEW MOTION, NEW MOTION. THE NEW MOTION COULD BE MADE BY THE SAME MAKER OF THE FIRST ONE AND FEATURE AN ALTERATION IN WHAT IT SAYS. BUT THE EASIEST WAY IS TO JUST VOTE [01:00:01] ON THIS ONE, SEE HOW WE RESPOND TO IT AND THEN SEE IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER PREZI, CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? IS THAT OKAY? YES. UH, SO WHAT DID THE PARK SERVICE SAY ABOUT THE WINDOWS AND THE MATERIAL? ARE THEY OKAY WITH VINYL? YEAH, WE SPECIFICALLY WENT BACK TO THEM AFTER THE TASK FORCE MEETING AND ASKED THAT QUESTION AND THE RESPONSE WE GOT FROM THC IS NPS AND THAT WAS THEIR ORIGINAL RESPONSE IS, IS GOOD WITH THE DESIGN. AND THEY, THEY ALWAYS, NOT ALWAYS, BUT THEY ARE A FAVOR, ONE APPROVABLE OF THE VINYL WINDOWS. DO WE HAVE THOSE COMMENTS? UM, AND WHO'S, WHO SUPPORTED? NOT YET. SO WE HAVE AN EMAIL, WE HAVE AN EMAIL THAT I SENT TO RHONDA BECAUSE IT WASN'T REALLY INTENDED FOR ANYONE BUT US, UH, GIVEN THEIR APPROVABILITY OF THE OVERALL DESIGN. WE'VE SUBMITTED THAT, UH, HERITAGE CONSULTING, WHO OUR HISTORIC CONSULTANT WENT BACK TO VALERIE AT THC SPECIFICALLY GOT THE WINDOWS. AND THAT WAS ABOVE OUR RESPONSE FEEDBACK. YEAH, BUT IT'D BE ALSO TO BE GOOD TO HAVE THAT IN HER HAND. YEAH, WE TRY. WE GET THAT SHE WENT ON VACATION AND WE DID NOT GET IT BEFORE THIS MEETING, BUT THAT'S THE FEEDBACK OF THAT. ALL RIGHT. UM, I MIGHT COMMENT ON THAT. I AM ONE OF THE ONES WHO HATES SPINAL WINDOWS AND HOW THEY, UH, MEET THE WALL NEXT TO THEM. AT LEAST Y'ALL CHOSE BLACK. EVERYBODY ELSE CHOOSES WHITE. NO MATTER WHAT COLOR BUILDING IT IS. IT'S LIKE WHITE GOES WITH EVERYTHING. IT'S NOT TRUE. . SO THESE, THESE MIGHT NOT SHOW SO MUCH, ESPECIALLY FROM A DISTANCE, BUT I'M NOT DECIDED ON THAT YET. SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS? 'CAUSE IF WE ARE DONE COMMENTING, THEN WE MUST VOTE BOTH. UH, COULD I JUST JUMP IN? I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. I JUST ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE I RE REITERATE. UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE WINDOW ALSO, BUT IT'S, IT'S ALSO THE, THE MODERN, UH, SHADOW LINE THAT HOW THE WINDOW FRAMING COMES OUT AWAY FROM THE FACE OF THE BRICK. I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF ALL OF IT ENCOMPASSING, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S, IT'S LIKE ALL PARTS TOGETHER, NOT LIKE MAYBE ONE OR TWO OR THREE PARTS OF THIS TO IS MY CONCERN. I I AGREE WITH THAT. IT'S NOT JUST THE VINYL WINDOWS, IT'S THE WAY THE WINDOWS ARE LINKED. THEY'RE TOO CONTEMPORARY. ALRIGHT. ANYMORE. OH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD A COMMENT IN DEFENSE OF THE, NOT THE DETAILING, BUT MORE THE PROPORTION OF THE, UM, OF THE VERTICAL WINDOWS, THE WAY THAT THEY'RE GANGED TOGETHER VERTICALLY. 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE WHEN YOU LOOK AT A PAIR OF THOSE, IT'S MORE, IT'S A MUCH MORE IN PROPORTION WITH THE EXISTING WINDOWS. UH, I FEEL LIKE IF YOU WERE TO SUBDIVIDE THOSE IN ANY OTHER WAY, THE THAT PROPORTION WOULD BE BROKEN. UM, SO THAT WOULDN'T EXIST ANYMORE. AND, AND I, I, I DO AGREE WITH THE WAY THAT, THAT THEY'VE BEEN DONE NOW, WHETHER OR NOT THE, I CALL IT A COW BASIC, IT'S THE, IT'S THE EXTENSION OF THE METAL BEYOND THE FACE OF THE BRICK. UM, I KNOW WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE WAY THAT THAT'S DETAILED, LIKE HOW THICK IT ACTUALLY IS, UH, OR EVEN HOW MUCH IT PROJECTS BEYOND THE, THE FACE OF THE WALL. UM, CAN YOU STILL TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE AN, AN ADJUSTMENT. I MUST UNDERSTAND. WHAT'S THE WALL? UM, CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THOSE DIMENSIONS ARE? SURE. THE WIDTH IS PROBABLY AROUND AN INCH AND A HALF AN INCH, AN INCH AND A HALF, WE CAN SIMULATE STEEL, AND THEN THE PROJECTION FROM THE FACE IS PROBABLY AROUND TWO INCHES. I THINK WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE ABLE TO ADJUST IN THOSE DIMENSIONS. YEAH. SO IT IS RELATIVELY SMALL BECAUSE IT, IT SEEMS LIKE IF IT WAS A, LIKE A DIRECT, UM, RESPONSE TO WHAT, UH, THE ORIGINAL DETAIL MAY HAVE BEEN. IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S AN AUDI INSTEAD OF AN ANY FOR, FOR LACK OF A BETTER, UH, ANY ARCHITECTURAL TERMS. UM, UM, BUT I APPRECIATE THE, THE ATTENTION TO THAT DETAIL, UM, THAT IT WASN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, UH, PUT THE C**K AROUND THE EDGE OF IT AND PAINTED IT WHITE AND WHATEVER, AND, UH, WENT ABOUT OUR WAY. UM, BUT NO, SO I, I DO APPRECIATE THAT. I'M, I'M GONNA LEAVE MY MOTION AS STANDS AND, AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AGAIN, THE RENDERED WHICH CAME BEFORE THE TECHNICAL, THE RENDER PROBABLY OUR MISLEADING IN THAT WAY, THAT THE THICKNESS MAY BE MORE THAN WHAT ADAM JUST REFERENCED. IT'S A, IT'S MORE OF A MENTAL THICKNESS. THIS IS A PLATE ESSENTIALLY. THAT'S LING THE ALL RIGHTY. I I WOULD POINT OUT I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR ARGUMENT THAT THE ONES ARE SORT OF IN THE SAME PROPORTION. THEY'RE SORT OF THE SAME HEIGHT, BUT THEY'RE SO MUCH WIDER. THEY'RE MORE OF A MODERN, WIDER PROPORTION BY THE TIME YOU PUT 'EM TO, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THEY LOOK INSTEAD OF BEING THE THINNER PROPORTION THAT'S ON THE OLDER ONE. SO I HAVE NO CLUE HOW YOU'D FIX THAT THOUGH. WHOLE . YEAH. THE WAY I WAS DESCRIBING IT IS IF YOU, IF YOU TOOK FOUR WINDOWS FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PAIR NEXT TO THE PAIR, THE PAIR STACK NEXT TO THE PAIR STOCK. THAT IS 'CAUSE ALL THE OTHER WINDOWS ON THE, THE EXISTING BUILDING WERE IN PAIRS. MM-HMM . UM, NOW GRANTED, THESE AREN'T ALL PAIRS. I MEAN, THEY CONTINUE [01:05:01] IN THEIR, IN THEIR PROPORTION. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, UM, UM, VER UH, VERTICAL TO HEIGHT OR RATHER VERTICAL TO WIDTH, UM, IN A PAIR, THEN THAT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE ORIGINAL. THAT THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S THE RATIO I'M USING. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR IS IT TIME FOR OUR VOTE? SO, SO YOU, YOU DON'T GET TO TALK ANYMORE. , I LIKE YOU ONE VERY WELL, BUT YOU JUST DON'T GET TO IT'S OUR RULE . IT'S NOTHING PERSONAL. OKAY. IF THERE'S NO OTHER HOME WITH FURTHER COMMENT, WE NEED TO CALL FOR THE VOTE AND THEN WE WILL KNOW WHERE WE STAND ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. YES. YES. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, PLEASE SAY NO. I THINK WE KNOW WHO WON, BUT WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE BECAUSE IT IS THE SAFEST. DISTRICT TWO. COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY. I VOTED NO. DISTRICT THREE. COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN? I VOTED YES. DISTRICT THREE, FOUR. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? YES. I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. I'M SORRY. YES. YES. DISTRICT FIVE COMMISSIONER OFFIT? YES. DISTRICT SIX. COMMISSIONER OSA? I INITIALLY VOTED NO, BUT I VOTE YES. UH, , I THINK YOU HAVE TO TELL US HOW YOU VOTED THEN. OKAY. I VOTED NO. UH, INITIALLY DISTRICT A COMMISSIONER. SPELL DISTRICT NINE. COMMISSIONER RENO? YES. DISTRICT 11. COMMISSIONER GATE? YES. DISTRICT 12 COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER? YES. DISTRICT 13 COMMISSIONER POSI? NO. DISTRICT 14 COMMISSIONER HARPER. MR. HARPER IS NOT WITH US THIS AFTERNOON. DISTRICT. I'M SORRY. UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? NO. COMMISSIONER REEVES? NO. COMMISSIONER CUMMINS? NO. ALRIGHT. WOULDN'T HAVE FIRED IF IT WAS A TIE, IT WOULD STILL HAVE BEEN VOTED DOWN. BEEN NOT APPROVED. SO THAT, THAT MOTION DID NOT PASS. OKAY. SO WHAT WE NEED IS ANOTHER MOTION NOW, MADAM CHAIR APPOINTED OF ORDER. SEVEN SIX. YEAH. YES. COMMISSIONER OFFIT? YES. COULD, IF I'M UNDERSTAND THE RULES CORRECTLY, THE DISCUSSION AFTER A MOTION IS MADE IS ABOUT THE MERITS OF THE MOTION, NOT THE DETAILS OF THE DESIGN FOR THE BUILDING. IS THAT CORRECT? THE DISCUSSION OF THE DETAILS OF THE DESIGN WERE, BECAUSE WE HAD NOT YET RESOLVED HOW, UM, WHAT WE SAW THIS, WHETHER OR NOT THOSE WERE APPROPRIATE. SO PEOPLE WERE DISCUSSING THEIR VIEWPOINTS ON THOSE DETAILS. SO TO ANSWER MY QUESTION, ONCE A MOTION IS MADE AND SECONDED, ALL DISCUSSION IS AVAILABLE AGAIN? YES. AS OPPOSED TO THE WE, WE CAN DISCUSS ANY THE MOTION ASPECT OF THE PROJECT AND THE MOTION THAT WOULD HELP US DETERMINE WHAT OUR VOTE ON THE MOTION IS. THE DISCUSSION OF THE WINDOWS, WHICH HAD RAISED QUESTIONS EARLIER, WE NEEDED TO KNOW IF THEY NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED IN THIS MOTION AND WHAT PEOPLE'S CONCERNS WERE IF THEY WERE NOT BEING ADDRESSED, IF THEIR CONCERNS WERE NOT ADDRESSED, AND THERE'S ALWAYS THE OPTION THAT THE MAKER OF THE MOTION COULD AMEND IT IF WE TALK LIKE THAT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T LET ANYTHING SLIDE. AND THAT WE'VE HEARD EVERYBODY'S VIEWS ON EVERY PART OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT. SO NOW DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A MOTION? WE CANNOT MAKE THE SAME MOTION. WE CANNOT MAKE EXACTLY THE SAME MOTION. NO. SOUNDS LIKE WE COULD MAKE ONE SIMPLER. COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER . CAN I ASK, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? I THINK WE NEED TO ASK. UM, WE WHILE'S THINKING. HE, WELL, WE HAD THE COMMISSIONER THAT HAD STATED HOW THEY FELT ON ONE SIDE OF THE COIN AND THEN THEY STATED HOW THEY FELT ON A AS THIS COMING [01:10:01] TIME. COULD YOU JUST PASS, COULD YOU DO THE SAME MOTION EXACTLY THE SAME WAY? THAT'S FINE. IF, IF NORMALLY THAT THAT WOULDN'T BE THE CASE, BUT BRING UP A GOOD, UH, QUESTION. IF THE VOTE GOES, IF THAT ONE VOTE CHANGES THOUGH IT'S A TIE AND IT STILL FAILS, IT'S A TIE AND IT STILL FAILS. SO IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. ONE VOTE DIDN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THIS. TIES, TIES DON'T PASS. I ALREADY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. YEAH, SO, BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING, IF YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE YOUR VOTE FROM WHAT YOU FIRST SAID WHEN WE DO THE ROLL CALL, AT LEAST DON'T TELL ME BECAUSE WHAT HE EXPECT ME TO DO, GEEZ, , YOU GONNA BE SNEAKY SNEAK . COMMISSIONER REEDS. WE BASICALLY USE THE FORMER MOTION, BUT ASK THEM TO COME BACK WITH A REDESIGN ON THE WINDOWS. WE, WE COULD DO THAT. UM, THAT IS AN OPTION. I JUST NEED SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION. CAN, CAN, UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ONE THROUGH SEVEN AND NUMBER NINE AS PRESENTED PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, JUST SO WE CAN PUT SOMETHING TO BED AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS ITEM EIGHT SEPARATELY. WE HAVE NEVER BEFORE WHEN I'VE BEEN ON HERE DIVIDED SECOND THE LIST OF THINGS INTO TWO DIFFERENT MOTIONS. WE'VE ALWAYS JUST MADE DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS. BRIEF ONE. AND I HAVE A QUESTION WHETHER NUMBER EIGHT COVERS ANYTHING BUT THE VINYL, THE MATERIAL OF THE WINDOW ISSUE, DOES IT ADDRESS THE FORM OF THE WINDOW ISSUE? DOES IT, IT WAS JUST THE MATERIAL. IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE SHAPE. SO IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION HOWEVER YOU WANT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE A MOTION FOR ALL NINE POINTS. YOU CAN JUST MAY EACH SEPARATE. THERE'S A DEPEND. MADAM CHAIR, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT? WHERE IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HAVING MULTIPLE MOTIONS OR HAVING A MOTION AND JUST SAYING WHAT OUR VIEW OF EACH ONE IS? SO WE APPROVE EVERYTHING BUT DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE REQUEST TO COME BACK AND FILL US. I GUESS THE EFFECT WOULD BE THE SAME, BUT I SEE. SO CHAPTER EIGHT SAYS THAT YOU MUST, WITHOUT THE ABSENCE OF A RULE, WE FOLLOW ROBERT'S RULES OF ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER PROVIDES FOR A DIVISION OF THE QUESTION. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT, UH, MR. ROTHENBERG IS PROPOSING THAT WE'RE SEPARATING IT OUT AND DOING. I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT IT WAS ONE THROUGH SEVEN AND NINE I BELIEVE, AND SEPARATING OUT, UH, EIGHT. SO THERE WOULD BE A VOTE YES OR NO ON THE ITEMS THAT MR PROPOSED. AND THEN THE SECOND ITEM WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, IT WOULD HAVE A, THEORETICALLY IT WOULD BE VOTED ON, OR IF IT WAS NOT VOTED UPON, IT WOULD BE, UH, DENIED WITH PREJUDICE. ALL RIGHTY. I STILL WONDER WHERE WE FIT IN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE WINDOWS, NOT JUST A VINYL, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER SAYS. MADAM CHAIR DID, DID THE, DID THE ATTORNEY SAY IT WOULD BE DENIED WITH PREJUDICE? IT'S, OH, DID YOU SAY THAT IF WE LEFT IT OUT, IT WOULD BE DENIED WITH PREJUDICE OR WITHOUT, WITH PREJUDICE IT BECOMES, IT JUST MAINTAINS THE STATUS QUO, WHICH IS THAT THEY WILL NOT HAVE THEIR OKAY, THEN WE NEED TO NOT DIVIDE THE MOTION AND MOVE ON ALL OF THEM IN ONE BIG GROUP. THAT MIGHT WHY? WELL, THAT'S, IF THAT'S, IF IT, THAT'S IF THERE IS NO VOTE MADE ON IT. SO THERE COULD BE A VOTE, A POSITIVE MOTION MADE ON IT, OR A MOTION TO MAKE IT WITH DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE. SO THERE IS A ME MECHANISM FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, BUT IF NO MOTION IS MADE ON THE FLOOR AND LET'S SAY ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS NOT DISCUSSED, THEN IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED. UM, OKAY, WELL WE WILL NOT ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN BECAUSE EVERY ITEM PUT BEFORE SHOULD BREACH SOMETHING UNLESS THERE A REAL GOOD REASON NOT TO PROCEED. COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERG, BUT WITH YOUR MOTION, WHATEVER YOUR MOTION IS, IT'S YOUR MOTION. I'VE, I'VE ALREADY STATED IT. I SAID ONE THROUGH SEVEN AND NINE WE APPROVE WITH, WE APPROVE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS AS PROPOSED BY STAFF. OKAY. IN THE MATTER OF, IN THE MATTER OF, I'M SORRY, Y'ALL CORRECT ME WHEN I TRY TO CUT FOR JUST TRYING IN THE MATTER OF ITEM DISCUSSION 2 8 0 5 EL STREET CO OA 25 DASH 1 5 4. I MOVED THAT WE APPROVED ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN AND NUMBER NINE AS, UH, RECOMMENDED BY STAFF SECOND OSI. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OSI, IF THERE IS [01:15:01] NO FURTHER DISCUSSION WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED SO MUCH, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? AYE. AYE. YES. YES. OKAY. I BELIEVE WE'RE NOT ON A VOTE WE WOULD'VE CRASHED LONG AGO. OKAY. IT APPEARS THAT MOTION HAS PASSED NOW WE HAVE A DANGLING WINDOW ISSUE. WE WILL NOT SEND THEM AWAY WITH NO ANSWER ON . OKAY. IF WE SIT HERE ALL NIGHT, WE SHALL NOT SEND THEM AWAY WITH NO ANSWER. SO SOMEBODY JUST MAKING SURE THAT, WELL, PEOPLE AT HOME, I'M SITTING HERE TAPPING MY FINGERS AND IGNORING THEM ALL UNTIL SOMEONE SAYS THEY'RE GONNA MAKE, CAN I HAVE A QUESTION? UH, SINCE WE'RE MAYBE AT THAT PERIOD, I CAN ANSWER A QUESTION TO THE, UH, APPLICANT. OKAY. , UM, I DIDN'T SEE ANY DETAILS FOR THE WINDOW IN THE PACKET AT ALL. I JUST SAW SOME ELEVATIONS. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, RHONDA, IF YOU CAN PULL UP THE BLACK AND WHITE ELEVATION, WHICH AS MATTHEW STATED EARLIER, SO I JUST SAW ELEVATION, SO I DIDN'T SAW, SEE ANY DIMENSIONAL DETAILS YEAH. WITH THAT AS, YOU KNOW, HEAD SEAL SPANDREL PANEL, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T REMEMBER SEEING ANY DETAILS ON THE WINDOWS. YEAH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER CONCERN OF HAVING TO APPROVE SOMETHING BASED UPON ELEVATION AND IT BEING KIND OF MORE OF A CAR BLANC APPROVAL AND, AND NOT HAVING DETAILS. OKAY. LET'S, AND WHEN SHE PULLS THIS UP TO YOUR, UH, MR. CUMMINGS COMMENT, THE WINDOWS ARE DIVIDED IN THE MIDDLE. THEY'RE NOT OFFSET ON THE MOST CURRENT DESIGN, WHICH IS IN YOUR PACKET ON THE BLACK AND WHITE. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. OKAY. SO WHICH PAGE ARE WE REFERRING TO? UH, THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE NEW EDITION ARE NOT THE RENDERED ELEVATION. OKAY. YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? GO TO LIKE PAGE 20. IT'S EARLIER ON THERE. IF YOU BACK OF TWO PAGES ON THAT BACK AND FORWARD BACK RIGHT THERE. IF YOU ZOOM UP ON ANY OF THOSE ELEVATIONS. SO THE, THE WINDOWS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT SIZE, THEY'RE SHORTER. AND THE ONE, THE ONE OVER ONE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WE'RE FINE WITH THE ONE OVER ONE SCENARIO, BUT THE THAT IS ACCEPTABLE. DID THE PANELS GET TALLER? YEAH, THE SPAND PANELS ARE LOOK MUCH BEEFIER NOW. AND, AND THE COMPARISON IMAGE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT BEFORE IS PROBABLY THE DRAWING THAT'S JUST BELOW WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN HERE. THIS IS THE FULL ELM STREET FRONTAGE. WELL, I'M LOOKING ON MY OWN 'CAUSE I DON'T TRUST OUR MONITORS HERE. ALRIGHT. UH, DO YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, OR DOES SOMEONE HAVE A MOTION? NO, I JUST, I HAVE A QUESTION. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD MR. REEVES, IS THIS THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE ORIGINAL 8 0 5 OR IS THIS THE SIDE VERSION WITH THE BALCONIES? THIS IS A LITTLE LAMAR STREET ELEVATION, SO IT'S EITHER JUST, UH, ON THAT, ON THE LAMAR FRONTAGE. SO, SO THE WINDOW DESIGN ON ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, IS IT DIFFERENT THAN THE WINDOW DESIGN ON ANOTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING? NO, IT'S ALL THE SAME. AND RHONDA, IF YOU WANNA LOOK THROUGH, SO THIS, YEAH, WELL WE WERE LOOKING AT THREE, TWO, AND TWO AND THESE ARE ALL EQUAL. YEAH, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE WEST ELEVATION, RON, RIGHT BELOW THAT, IT'S SHOWING UP ON THE SCREEN A LITTLE LIGHT, BUT THAT'S THAT SAME ELEVATION AND IT'S THE SAME WINDOW COUNT, BUT THE WINDOWS WE WERE LOOKING AT BEFORE WERE DIVIDED INTO THREE, THEN TWO AND TWO, I DON'T REMEMBER THREES. [01:20:02] AND NO, I THINK THIS HAS BEEN CONSISTENT ON THE, THE WAY THEIR ELEVATIONS HAVE BEEN SHOWN. I THINK IT'S ALWAYS BEST TO HAVE OUR DETAILS SO WE CAN GET OUR HANDS AROUND IT. BUT RHONDA, COULD YOU PLEASE, OH YEAH, THERE WAS A SIDE WHERE SOME OF THEM ARE IN GROUPS OF THREE. IS THAT EAST CONCEPTUAL ELEVATE? OKAY, SO WHERE AM I GOING? YEAH, THERE, THESE, THESE ARE UPDATE, BUT THERE IS THAT CHANGE. SO SHE'S NOT WRONG THAT IT LOOKS DIFFERENT IN ANOTHER IMAGE SHE SAW, BUT THIS IS THE IMAGE THEY'RE ASKING ABOUT NOW. YES. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT. NOW I'M TALKING ABOUT, OH, DAMN, THERE AREN'T ANY PAGE NUMBERS. PAGE 1 69. NO, I DON'T HAVE 1 69. THAT'S WHAT IT IS ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. I'M SORRY MS. RIS, UM, ARE YOU, ARE YOU FINISHED OR ARE YOU WAITING FOR FURTHER? WELL, BUT JUST SAYING IT'S, IT'S ON PAGE 1 69 OF THE AGENDA. YEAH, WE, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE DIFFERENT DRAWINGS. THE BLACK AND WHITE JUST DRAWINGS ARE WHAT THEY'RE SAYING NOW. THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH WHAT THEY WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH. SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO, TO BASE OUR, OUR RENDERING ON. READY FOR A MOTION IF WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, PLEASE MAKE THE MOTION. UH, I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE, UH, NUMBER EIGHT, UH, ON 8 0 5 ELM STREET, COA DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 1 5 4, UH, ON DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE. NUMBER EIGHT, THAT THE WINDOW DESIGNED IS, UM, UH, POSSIBLY TOO MO, TOO MODERN AND, UH, TAKES AWAY FOR THE, UH, RHYTHM AND NATURE OF THE, UH, HISTORIC ELEMENTS, UH, FROM THE, UH, BUILDING CLOSE TO IT. AND SO IT WOULD MAKE AN ADVERSE EFFECT OF THE WINDOWS BEING TOO MODERN. UM, AND THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE FURTHER DETAILS WITHOUT DETAILS. AND WE'RE JUST GOING ON THESE ELEVATIONS. I THINK THESE ELEVATIONS MAKE IT TOO MODERN. SECOND, SECOND. I SECOND THAT. OKAY. I BELIEVE WE HAD OUR SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER REEVES. I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH DISCUSSION. OH, YOU HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ? OKAY. I I DO. NO, IT'S JUST THE WORD THE, TO THE APPLICANT BECAUSE I DON'T SUPPORT THE, THE IDEA OF, UM, OR I SUPPORT THE DENIED PRACTICE, BUT NOT FOR THE SAME REASONS. I THINK YOU NEED TO MAKE A BIGGER ISSUE OUT OF THE PROFORMA AND HOW IT'S IMPACTED AND WHAT IS TRULY HARMFUL TO THE DISTRICT AND WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROJECT DOES OR DOESN'T MOVE FORWARD. IF, IF IT MOVES THE NEEDLE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO GO JUST THIRD FLOOR AND ABOVE, UM, THEN, THEN SO BE IT. BUT I, I THINK THIS IS A WORTHY DISCUSSION AND I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S RELEVANT TO THE, UM, IMPACT ON THE DISTRICT AND IT'S A PROJECT THAT'S ALREADY RECEIVED COUNCIL SUPPORT. SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I DID I WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND YEAH, SO WHENEVER YOU THAT, OKAY, AND, UM, I, I FOR THE RECORD, IT'S NOT THE VINYL WINDOWS THAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT. IT'S NOT THE NATURE OF THE VINYL THAT WORRIED ME. AND I KNOW, UM, MR. PEL IS WORRIED ABOUT THE AFFORDABILITY ORDER THAT YOU'VE CAN PROVIDE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THAT MANY PEOPLE WHO NEED IT. IT SHOULD BE ME IF I LOST MY HOUSE TOO, SO THAT'S NOBODY CAN AFFORD. LET'S VOTE FOR VOTE ON THIS ONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES. ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? NA, NO. OKAY. ELAINE ? YES. YOU KNOW WHAT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO NOW? UH, DISTRICT TWO. COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY? I SAID YES. DISTRICT THREE. COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN? NO. UH, I DID HEAR YOU. YOU SAY NO? NO. OKAY. UH, DISTRICT FOUR COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? YES. I DIDN'T HEAR IT. YES. YES. DISTRICT FIVE COMMISSIONER ? NO. DISTRICT SIX COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER OSA? NO. DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER ACY? YES. DISTRICT NINE. COMMISSIONER RENO? NO. DISTRICT 11 COMMISSIONER GABE? YES. YES. [01:25:03] YES. DISTRICT 12 COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER? NO. DISTRICT 13 COMMISSIONER POSI? YES. DISTRICT COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES. COMMISSIONER RES? YES. COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS. OKAY. WE HAVE A CLEAR MAJORITY ON THIS ONE. EVERYTHING ELSE IS FINE EXCEPT FOR OUR QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE WINDOWS. UH, BECAUSE YOU DID RECEIVE A DENIAL, BUT WITHOUT PREJUDICE, YOU HAVE THE OPTION FOR A FEE OF GOING TO CPC AND THEY WILL JUDGE SOLELY ON WHETHER WE RULED WRONGLY. AND I ASSUME THAT OUR ATTORNEY WILL PRESENT OUR REASON FOR WHAT WE JUST DID. UM, WE WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU HOWEVER, TO COME BACK TO US WITH THE FURTHER DETAILS THAT WE HAVE ASKED ABOUT AND PERHAPS WE'RE HAVING RETHOUGHT SOME OF THE ISSUES WE DISCUSSED AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO SEE IT AGAIN, WE REALLY OVERALL LOVE YOUR PROJECT. EVEN THOSE OF US WHO VOTED AGAINST THIS NUMBER EIGHT THING, REALLY LOVE YOUR PROJECT AND HOW GOOD A JOB YOU'RE DOING OF SAVING THE OTHER, OTHER BUILDING AND ADDING VALUE TO IT. WE JUST WANNA KNOW ABOUT THE MINUTES. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO CAN I JUST ADD IS THE, UH, DENIAL JUST FOR THAT ITEM NUMBER EIGHT? IT'S JUST FOR THAT. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. SO, SO FIX THE THINGS YOU WANNA FIX AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF. OKAY. YOU CAN START ON THAT. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT THAT. YEAH. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. BUT YOU STILL DON'T GET TO LEAVE BECAUSE WE'RE DOING YOUR OTHER. WOW. THAT'S YOUR SKY BRIDGE. I KNOW WE'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME AND WE ONLY DID ONE THING . THEY'RE NOT GONNA ALL BE LIKE THAT, SO. OKAY. ARE WE READY FOR DISCUSSION? ITEM D ONE. DISCUSSION D ONE. THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT SEVEN 11 ELM STREET IN THE WEST END HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 DASH TWO 50. THE REQUEST ARE AS FOLLOWS, ONE FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A SKY BRIDGE EXTENDING FROM THE EAST ELEVATION FACING AUSTIN STREET OF THE MAIN BUILDING TO THE WEST ELEVATION OF A PROPOSED NEW EDITION AT 8 0 5 ELM STREET. REQUEST NUMBER TWO IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REOPEN AND OR RESTORE STOREFRONTS WINDOWS AND DOORS ON FIRST FLOOR OF MAIN BUILDING ON THE SOUTHEAST AND NORTH ELEVATIONS. REQUEST NUMBER THREE IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW METAL GUARDRAILS ON NORTH ELEVATION OF MAIN BUILDING ON FLOORS TWO THROUGH FIVE COLOR BLACK TO MATCH PERIMETER FENCING. STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A SKY BRIDGE EXTENDING FROM THE EAST ELEVATION FACING AUSTIN STREET OF THE MAIN BUILDING TO THE WEST ELEVATION OF PROPOSED NEW EDITION AT 8 0 5 ELM STREET BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 23 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT APPLICANT'S APPLICATIONS FOR A REHABILITATION TAX CREDITS BE APPROVED BY THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION THC AND AND THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE NPS PRIOR TO THE COMMENCEMENT OF WORK IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. RECOMMENDATION TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REOPEN AND OR RESTORE STOREFRONTS WINDOWS AND DOORS ON FIRST FLOOR OF MAIN BUILDING ON THE SOUTH EAST AND NORTH ELEVATIONS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 23 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT REPLACEMENT FRAMING BE ALL METAL, ALUMINUM OR STEEL, THAT ALL FRAMING BE PAINTED IN APPROPRIATE COLOR, NOT BLACK FROM THE MON COLOR RANGES SPECI SPECIFIED IN THE ORDINANCE AND THAT REPLACEMENT GLASS MATCHED THE EXISTING STOREFRONT GLASS AND COLOR TINT AND THICKNESS IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION. SECTION 5.1 UNDER COLOR, [01:30:01] THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION STAFF. RECOMMENDATION THREE IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW METAL GUARDRAILS ON NORTH ELEVATION OF MAIN BUILDING ON FLOORS TWO THROUGH FIVE COLOR BLACK TO MATCH PERIMETER FENCING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 23 20 25 WITH THE PROPOSED THE PROPOSED WORK MEETS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A SKYBRIDGE EXTENDING FROM THE EAST ELEVATION FACING AUSTIN STREET OF THE MAIN BUILDING TO THE WEST ELEVATION OF A PROPOSED NEW ADDITION AT 8 0 5 ELMAN STREET BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT APPROVAL OF THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE BE REQUIRED FIRST. NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REOPEN SLASH RESTORE STOREFRONTS WINDOWS AND DOORS ON FIRST FLOOR OF MAIN BUILDING ON THE SOUTHEAST AND NORTH ELEVATIONS BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED. NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW METAL GUARDRAILS ON THE NORTH ELEVATION OF THE MAIN BUILDING ON FLOORS TWO THROUGH FIVE COLOR BLACK TO MATCH PERIMETER FENCING BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED. ALRIGHT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SWEAR IN AGAIN. WE HAVE GOTTEN TO KNOW YOU SO WELL. WONDERFUL. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO, WILL SAVE US A LOT OF TIME. GO AHEAD AND TELL COURSE, TELL US WHAT YOU WANNA TELL US. UH, AND I DON'T THINK WE'LL NEED, OR AT LEAST I WON'T NEED THE THREE MINUTES FOR THIS, BUT, UM, I, I THINK THE BIGGEST PART BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD EARLIER WAS THE SKYBRIDGE SPECIFICALLY. UM, AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I DO WANNA RESPOND. I THINK EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT OUR INTENT IS WITH THAT PLAZA SPACE AND THE PROMENADE AND THAT THAT IS PUBLICLY OPEN SPACE. UM, SO OUR PRIMARY CONCERN IS SAFETY FOR OUR RESIDENTS WHO WILL BE USING THE GARAGE AND THE BRIDGE SERVES A FUNCTIONAL PURPOSE TO CONNECT THEM DIRECTLY TO THEIR APARTMENTS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DID SUBMIT AS A PRELIMINARY TO TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION AND TO NPS. WE WERE HOPING THAT WE WERE GONNA GET AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION BEFORE TODAY. UNFORTUNATELY WE DID NOT. IT WAS APPROVED BY THC AND SO IT'S ON MPS'S DESK AND I EXPECT US TO HAVE IT PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK. UM, WE DID EXPLORE A NUMBER OF OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT JUST FINANCIALLY DID NOT WORK FOR US TO SOLVE THIS PARTICULAR PROBLEM IN OTHER WAYS. UM, SO THIS IS THE SOLUTION THAT WE LANDED ON PARTICULARLY TO ADDRESS THAT CONCERN FOR SECURITY AND SAFETY. I THINK AS, AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, MOST MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE IN THE CENTRAL CORE DO HAVE PARKING THAT IS CONNECTED DIRECTLY TO RESIDENTS. AND SO THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH. THANK YOU. OKAY. READY? I DON'T THINK I'LL NEED THE FULL THREE MINUTES EITHER. OKAY. UM, SO AGAIN, THIS AGENDA IS SPECIFIC TO SEVEN 11 ELM, THE RESTORATION OF THAT HISTORIC BUILDING AND IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW ELEVATED PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY. SO THE EXISTING, UH, HISTORIC SEVEN 11 BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED IN 1925 AS A PARKING GARAGE FOR THE SANGER DEPARTMENT STORE AND WILL BE FULLY RESTORED MAINTAINING ITS ORIGINAL USE AND CONFIGURATION. NO ADDITION TO SEVEN 11 ELMS PROPOSED. UH, THE, THE EXISTING SEVEN 11 ELM BUILDING'S CURRENT PARKING USE WILL REMAIN TO SERVE THE NEW MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT WITH MINOR REPAIR AND RESTORATION AS REQUIRED TO INCLUDE MASONRY TUCK, POINTING, LIGHTING, WINDOW REPAIR, SIGNAGE AND STORE FRONTS. UH, GUARDRAILS WILL BE REPLACED AT THE UPPER FLOORS OF THE NORTH FACADE TO COMPLY WITH CODE FOR FALL PROTECTION. THE BUILDING WILL BE LINED WITH BROWN FLOOR RETAIL WITH THE INSTALLATION OF NEW MATCHING METAL STOREFRONTS OF THE NORTH FACADE WAS PREVIOUSLY A PARTY WALL FOR ADDITIONAL RETAIL RESTAURANT SPACE. RUNNING THE NEW LANDSCAPE CLOSET AT THE LOT NORTH OF SEVEN 11 L UM, A NEW ELEVATED EXTERIOR PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY. THE SKY BRIDGE SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED OVER THE NEW LANDSCAPE PROMENADE TO CONNECT TO CONNECT THE EXISTING SEVEN 11 L PARKING GARAGE, THE NEW MULTIFAMILY BUILDING TO SERVE THE PARKING NEEDS OF THE DEVELOPMENT. AND AS MATTHEW SAID, IT PROVIDES SECURE ACCESS FOR TENANTS TO THE NEW BUILDING. WE HAVE INCLUDED HISTORIC PRECEDENT FOR THE ELEVATED PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY AND THE PRESENTATION, INCLUDING ONE THAT EXISTED OVER AUSTIN STREET IN THE LATE 18 HUNDREDS AND EARLY 19 HUNDREDS. THE DESIGN IS AN OPEN, UH, THE DESIGN FOR THIS SKYBRIDGE IS AN OPEN ALL METAL STRUCTURE [01:35:01] INTENDED TO REFLECT THE INDUSTRIAL AESTHETIC OF THE WAREHOUSE DISTRICT. THE PATHWAY HAS BEEN PLACED AWAY FROM THE ELM STREET PRIMER ADE AT THE EXTREME NORTH END OF THE SECONDARY EAST PASSADE ALONG AUSTIN STREET AND ELEVATED TO MEET THE MINIMUM 25 CLEAR FEET CLEARANCE REQUIRED FOR UTILITY MOVEMENTS. THE CANOPY WILL NOT ENGAGE THE 8 0 5 ELM BUILDING, THE EXISTING HISTORIC BUILDING ONLY CONNECTED TO THE NEW ADDITION. THE BRIDGE IS ALSO STRUCTURALLY INDEPENDENT FROM 7 0 1 ELM WITH FREESTANDING PONDS IN O STREET. SO NO STRUCTURAL MODIFICATION OF 7 0 1 ELM IS REQUIRED. THE EXISTING OPENING, THE WINDOW OPENING WILL BE REMOVED AND CUT DOWN THE FINISHED FLOOR. SO THAT OPENING WILL BE THE OPENING TO ACCESS THE SKYBRIDGE. AND ALSO, UH, THE SKYBRIDGE IN ITSELF IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO IDENTIFY THE WEST END DISTRICT FROM THE DARK STATION. SO WE PROPOSED SIGNAGE WITH THE EXACT SIGNAGE DESIGN AND CONTENT TO BE DETERMINED. UM, SO WE'RE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANYTHING. ALRIGHT. QUESTIONS? ANYBODY AT HOME HAVE QUESTIONS? I JUST HAD A QUESTION, UM, FOR MY EDIFICATION, WAS THE, UM, THE PARKING THAT'S PROVIDED WITHIN THE GARAGE, 100% AT THE, THE, UH, SPACES THAT WILL BE PROVIDED FOR THE RESIDENCE? YES. YES. IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED, A LITTLE OVER 140 SPACES WHICH MEETS OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THEN THE ZONING. WELL, OKAY. IT IS A VERY TIGHT GARAGE. I'VE DRIVEN THAT. YES. AND IT'S, YOU'VE BEEN IN THERE LATELY? IT IS NOT UP TO CODE AT ALL. I DID . YEAH, IT WAS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO JUST BY ACCIDENT, BUT, UH, IT'S VERY TIGHT. . ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, THE FRONT, THE FACADE RESTORATION. OKAY. IN THE BRIEFING I ASKED ABOUT THOSE ARCHES ABOVE THE, UM, THE STOREFRONTS. THEY APPEAR TO HAVE SOME KIND OF MATERIAL IN THERE. WHAT IS THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL IN THOSE ARCHES ARE? WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING TO PUT IN THERE AND WHAT COLORS? YEAH, SO THE UH, BLACK AND WHITE ELEVATIONS ON THAT SAME SHEET SHOW THAT REMOVED, SO THAT IS JUST, I THINK WHEN SEVEN 11 OR SEVEN 11 RETAIL. THE CONVENIENCE STORE WAS IN ACTUALLY SEVEN 11 FOR YEARS. RIGHT. UH, BUT THEY INSTALLED THE CEILING AND I THINK THAT OVERHUNG THAT, SO THEY JUST PUT PLYWOOD OVER IT. BUT WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT OFF EXPRESS THE STOREFRONT, WHICH HAS WINDOWS THAT FALLS THE ARCH WITH THE RENOVATION. SO THERE WILL BE WINDOWS IN THOSE ARCHES? YES, SIR. WILL THERE BE ONE, ONE SOLID PANE OF GLASS OR WILL THERE BE, UM, PANES MILLIONS IN THERE? UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S ALL PART OF THE EXISTING STOREFRONT, WHICH IS A BLACK ANODIZED STOREFRONT AND THERE'S A CENTER MULIAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, BLACK AND WHITE IN THE MIDDLE. BUT YES, THAT FOLLOWS THE ARCH AND WILL BE FOUR WINDOWS AND WE'RE PLANNING ON KEEPING THE EXISTING STOREFRONT JUST REPAIRING AND RESEALING AS A FIRE. THAT'LL BE GREAT. SO THERE'LL BE WINDOWS IN THOSE ARCHES. THANK YOU. YES. TO BE CLEAR, THOSE WINDOWS, THOSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA FIND THOSE WINDOWS TO BE EXISTING BEHIND THOSE PANELS AND THAT MATCHES THE ONE THAT WE CAN SEE, UH, OKAY. WE WE'RE ASSUMING AND SO YOU'LL JUST BE REPAIRING THOSE IN PLACE AND SITU, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THOSE AT HOME IF I CAN'T SEE YOU BECAUSE IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS THEN , THERE IS A QUESTION OVER HERE. HE'S GOING TO CLARIFY THAT ONCE MORE. HE'S GOING TO CLARIFY THIS ONCE MORE. OKAY, GOOD. YEAH. SO AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, UM, THE ORIGINAL, ORIGINAL WERE REPLACED WITH, UH, BLACK ANODIZED ALUMINUM IN THOSE CORNER WINDOWS. SO, SO WHAT'S EXISTING LIKE ON THE SOUTH, UH, SOUTHWESTERN CORNER DOES NOT EXIST EXCEPT IN THAT ONE LOCATION, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, SO THE EXISTING ELM STREET ELEVATION HAS ALL THE EXIST, WELL THAT HAD THE REPLACEMENT ALUMINUM THAT WAS INSTALLED UH, 20 YEARS AGO. BUT THOSE ALL PLAN TO REMAIN, UM, ON THE EAST ELEVATION OF THE SEMINOLE OF AN ELM I'D SAY UP UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING IF WE WANNA FLIP OVER THERE, THOSE ARE ALL EXISTING AND THEN THERE'S BEEN SECURITY GR THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED IN THE OTHER OPENINGS. THOSE WILL BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH MATCHING STOREFRONT. AND THE SAME THING WITH THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SCOPE THAT DONNA MENTIONED EARLIER. YEAH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ORIGINAL MOVING WITH STOREFRONTS ON THE GROUND FLOOR YET. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS, WE NEED A MOTION. I HAVE A MOTION GO AHEAD. REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM 1 7 11 ELM STREET, UM, ALSO KNOWN AS COA 2 5 2 5 0, UM, THAT WE APPROVE FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION ALONG WITH CONDITIONS AS STATED. [01:40:01] SECOND. SECOND. WE HAD OUR FIRST SECOND COME, COMMISSIONER REEVES. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY, WE CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? PLEASE SAY NO. OKAY. IT APPEARS THIS MOTION HAS CARRIED AND SO WE ALL LIKE THE BRIDGE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU BACK ABOUT THE OTHER MATTER AND UM, AGAIN, WE LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, WE REALLY DO. , WE LIKE YOU A LOT. OKAY, , THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. AND NOW WE MOVE ON TO OUR OTHER VERY LARGE 1D SIX. AT LEAST IT HAS A LOT OF REQUESTS, THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY LARGE. OKAY. CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF. DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER SIX 1000 NORTH PEAK STREET PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION, HISTORIC DISTRICT CO O 8 25 1 5 8 REQUESTS. NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD ADDITIONAL WIDTH OF STANDARD BRICK PORTION BETWEEN WINDOWS AND PILOTERS AND SIDE BAYS. NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO DECREASE WIDTH OF PILOTERS. NUMBER THREE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE WINDOW ON LEVEL ONE WITH STYLE MATCH WOOD DOOR FOR ACCESS TO FILE FIRE RISER. ROOM NUMBER FOUR, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REVISE AWNING DESIGN FROM SINGLE AWNING TO TWO AWNINGS. NUMBER FIVE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO BROWN BRICK PILOTERS. NUMBER SIX, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADJUST PRIMARY ENTRANCE DOOR AND GLAZING. NUMBER SEVEN, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REVISE FENESTRATION LAYOUT ON SWISS AVENUE ELEVATION SIDE FROM WINDOW DOOR WINDOW CON CONFIGURATION TO WINDOW WINDOW DOOR CONFIGURATION. NUMBER EIGHT, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REVISE LEVEL ONE, ENCLOSED BALCONIES ON SWISS AVENUE ELEVATION SIDE TO OPEN ENTRANCES. NUMBER NINE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REVISE RAILING DESIGN ON LEVEL ONE ON SWISS AVENUE ELEVATION SIDE TO ACCOMMODATE ENTRANCES. NUMBER 10, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INCREASE WATER TABLE DEPTH TO ACCOMMODATE SITE GRADING. NUMBER 11, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD STEPS TO NEW ENTRANCE DESIGNS ON LEVEL ONE ON SWISS AVENUE ELEVATION. SIDE NUMBER 12, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REVISE TRASH. ENCLOSURE, LOCATION NUMBER 13, A CERTIFICATE OF NESS TO INSTALL SOLID METAL GATE TO HIDE NEW LOCATION OF TRASH ENCLOSURE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT OUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD ADDITIONAL WIDTH OF STANDARD BRICK FORCING BETWEEN WINDOWS AND PILOTERS AND SIDEWAYS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 8 4 20 25. PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTIONS 3.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4, 4.7, 4.8 AND 4.9. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. DISTRICT NUMBER TWO THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO DECREASE WITH THE ES BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWING SPECIFIC DRAWINGS OF SPECIFICATIONS DATED 8 4 20 25. PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 3.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4, 4.7, 4.8 AND 4.9. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING. NUMBER THREE, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE WINDOW ON LEVEL ONE WITH STYLE MATCH DOOR WOOD DOOR TO ACCESS FOR ACCESS TO FIRE RISER ROOM BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 8 4 20 25. THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 3.1 4.2 4 3, 4 0.4, 4.7, 4.8, AND 4.9. THE STANDARD IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING. NUMBER FOUR, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REVISE AWNING DESIGN FROM SINGLE AWNING TO TWO AWNING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS STATED 8 4 20 25. THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT IN PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 3.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4, 4.7, 4.8 AND 4.9. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTINGS. NUMBER FIVE THERE IS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO GROUND BIRD ERS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 8 4 1 TO 25 PROPOSED WORK THIS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 3.1 4.2 4 3 4, 4 0.7, 4.8 [01:45:01] AND 4.9. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTINGS NUMBER SIX, THAT'S A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADJUST PRIMARY ENTRANCE DOOR AND GLADING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED EIGHT FOR 2025 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE MAIN ENTRANCE STORE ON THE FRONT REMAIN CENTERED AND HAVE TWO SMALL SIDELIGHTS WITH WITH ACCESS CONTROL PANEL HIDDEN TO THE RIGHT OF THE PILE. IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WILL ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION 3.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.7, UH 4.4, 4.7, 4.8 AND 4.9. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTINGS NUMBER SEVEN, THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REVISE ADMINISTRATION LAYOUT FROM WINDOW DOOR WINDOW CONFIGURATION TO WINDOW WINDOW DOOR CONFIGURATION BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 8 4 20 25. THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 3.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4, 4.7, 4.8 AND 4.9. THE STANDARD IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTINGS NUMBER EIGHT, THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REVISE LEVEL ONE ENCLOSED BALCONIES TO OPEN ENTRANCES BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 8 4 20 25. THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 4.2, THE STANDARD AND CITY CODE SECTION 5 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTINGS NUMBER NINE, THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REVISE RAILING DESIGN ON LEVEL ONE TO ACCOMMODATE ENTRANCE B APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED FOR 8 4 20 25. THAT PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION 4.2, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTINGS NUMBER 10, THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INCREASE WATER TABLE DEPTH TO ACCOMMODATE SITE GRADING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 8 4 25. BUT PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 3.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4, 4.7, 4.8 AND 4.9 THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTINGS NUMBER 11, THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD STEPS TO NEW ENTRANCE DESIGNS ON LEVEL ONE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 8 4 20 25. THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 4.2, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR CON NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTINGS NUMBER 12, THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REVISE TRASH ENCLOSURE LOCATION BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 8 4 20 25. THAT PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 2.7, THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY, SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARDS FOR SETTING NUMBER 13, THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL SOLID METAL GATE TO HIDE NEW LOCATION OF TRACTION ENCLOSURE B APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH JOINT AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 8 4 20 25 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE GATE IS 70% OPEN. IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDED CONDITION WILL ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTIONS TWO POINT 11, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD ADDITIONAL WIDTH OF STANDARD BRICK COSING BETWEEN WINDOWS AND PLASTERERS INSIDE BAYS BE APPROVED. NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO DECREASE WIDTH OF BLASTERS BE APPROVED. NUMBER THREE, THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE WINDOW ON LEVEL ONE WITH STYLE MATCHED WOOD DOOR FOR ACCESS TO FIRE RISER ROOM BE APPROVED. NUMBER FOUR, THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REVISE AWNING DESIGNS FROM A SINGLE AWNING TO TWO AWNING TO BE APPROVED. NUMBER FIVE, THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO GROUND THE BRICK PLASTERERS BE APPROVED. [01:50:01] NUMBER SIX, THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADJUST PRIMARY ENTRANCE DOOR AND GLAZING BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS. MAIN ENTRANCE DOOR ON FRONT REMAINS CENTERED AND HAS TWO SMALL SIDELIGHTS WITH ACCESS CONTROL PANEL HIDDEN TO RIGHT ON BLASTER NUMBER SEVEN. THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REVISE FENESTRATION LAYOUT FROM WINDOW DOOR WINDOW CONFIGURATION TO WINDOW WINDOW DOOR CONFIGURATION BE APPROVED. NUMBER EIGHT, THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REVISE LEVEL ONE ENCLOSURE, ENCLOSED BALCONIES TO OPEN ENTRANCE BE APPROVED. NUMBER NINE, THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REVISE RAILING DESIGN ON LEVEL ONE TO ACCOMMODATE ENTRANCE BE APPROVED. NUMBER 10, THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INCREASE WATER TABLE DEPTH TO ACCOMMODATE SITE GRADING BE APPROVED. NUMBER 11, THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD STEPS TO NEW ENTRANCE DESIGNS ON LEVEL ONE BE APPROVED. NUMBER 12, THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REVISE TRASH ENCLOSURE LOCATION BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE. THIS PLAN HAS MOVED THE TRASH DUMPSTER TO THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE SWISS AVENUE SIDE. THIS IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO AN APARTMENT BUILDING WHOSE RESIDENCE QUALITY OF LIFE WILL BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY HAVING TO SMELL THE CONTENTS OF THE DUMPSTER. NUMBER 13, THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL SOLID METAL GATE TO HIDE NEW LOCATION OF TRASH CLOSURE BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS GATE ON SWISS AVENUE SIDE IS AT LEAST 70% OPEN AS TO NOT HIDE THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL OF THE BILL. THANK YOU. YOU BOTH ARE ABLE TO SPEAK AT LENGTH. EXHAUSTING. WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS ON THIS. UM, CHRIS AARON. HELLO SIR, PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE OR AFFIRMATION TO TELL THE TRUTH. CHRIS AARON. 1 3 7 4 7 MONTFORD DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS. EYES SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH. OKAY, GO AHEAD SIR. YEP. NO, WE'RE JUST EXCITED TO BE HERE. UM, WE WERE HERE BACK IN NOVEMBER FOR THE INITIAL CONCEPT DESIGN. OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD SOME CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE FORMAL DESIGN PROCESS. UM, AND WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS AS NEEDED. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND WE ALSO HAVE BRIAN TILL, BRIAN TILL, UH, 91 26 WHITEHURST, DALLAS, TEXAS. UH, I'LL TELL THE TRUTH AS WELL. OKAY. ANYTHING YOU WANNA TELL US? HE SAID JUST, JUST EVOLUTION AS WE TURN THE NOISES IN NOVEMBER BEFORE WE REALLY STARTED THE WHOLE CONSTRUCTION DOCKING PROCESS AND JUST THE EVOLUTION OF THAT COURT MISSION. OKAY. QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE A QUESTION. ANDERSON, DID YOU CALL ON ME? YEAH. OKAY, GOOD. UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE NEW DOORS THAT ARE, YOU'RE ADDING THAT ARE GONNA BE THE, AS THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDED, THE THE DOOR WITH TWO SIDELIGHTS. IS THAT CORRECT? I I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SPEAK TO THAT. WE DON'T HAVE REVISIONS. I DIDN'T GET THEM FROM KEISHA BECAUSE THAT WAS THE TASK FORCE. IF WE COULD GET THAT BECAUSE I'LL HAVE TO STAMP THAT ACTUAL DESIGN IF THEY APPROVE IT. THAT WAS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU STILL WANTED TO GO WITH THAT. YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE DOOR WITH YOUR SIDELINES THAT THAT'S YEAH, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, THAT WASN'T YEAH. BE BECAUSE THE DRAWING THAT WE GOT DURING TASK FORCE DIDN'T INDICATE THAT, BUT THEY RECOMMENDED THAT AND I DIDN'T KNOW, I DIDN'T HEAR BACK FROM SHIP. WE WERE WANNA GO FORWARD, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE IT DURING TASK FORCE THAT, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE YOUNG MAN THAT WAS RUNNING IT. UH, HE WAS AMIABLE. HE SAID HE'D MAKE THE CHANGES MM-HMM . BUT SINCE I DIDN'T GET THE REVISION, I WASN'T SURE. OKAY. NO WORRIES. BUT I MEAN, IT'S HERE SO IF THEY APPROVE THAT DESIGN, THEN I JUST NEED THAT, WE'LL STAMP IT FOR YOU. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE MR. ANDERSON? YES. I ALSO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DUMPSTER, THE DUMPSTER LOCATION, UH, THAT IS, UH, PREFERRED AT THIS POINT. HOW CLOSE IS IT TO WINDOWS AND TO THE, UH, APARTMENT NEXT DOOR? WHAT IS IT, WHAT IS ON THAT APARTMENT WALL? IS IT A SOLID WALL OR WINDOWS ON THAT ELEVATION OF THE NEIGHBORING APARTMENT BUILDING? I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DIMENSIONS. I DO KNOW THEIR SETBACK IS FURTHER THAN I, I DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN. I BELIEVE OURS IS RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE FRONT YARD SETBACK OF THE BUILDING . SO I DON'T THINK IT'S ACTUALLY UP AGAINST THE BUILDING. I THINK IT'S WITHIN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK OF THE ADJACENT BUILDING. YOU MEAN BY THE SIDE YARD SETBACK? WELL, IT'S IN, YEAH, IT'S IN OUR SIDE YARD, BUT THE ADJACENT BUILDING NEXT TO US, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN YEAH. SIDE YARD SETBACK. YEAH. SORRY, CAN YOU GIMME, CAN YOU GIMME AN, CAN YOU GIMME AN ESTIMATE HOW CLOSE THE BUILDING AND THE DUMPSTER ARE TO EACH OTHER? WHAT THAT STEPBACK IS? WE, NO, I, I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT OFF THE BAT. I MEAN, WE CAN LOOK IT UP CLOSER. OKAY. AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A, A DUMPSTER GATE [01:55:01] AT THE DUMPSTER THAT OPENS UP WHEN THE GARBAGE TRUCK COMES IN. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THAT IS A SOLID, IS THAT METAL OR WOOD? METAL? YEP. OKAY. UM, WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS THAT WE DO THE FENCE THAT IS 70% OPEN, A WROUGHT IRON FENCE, 70% OPEN, AND THEN YOU, UM, PAINT THAT, THAT METAL GATE A COLOR THAT WILL KIND OF GO AWAY A, A GRAY OR A GREEN SO THAT WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN THE DRIVEWAY YOU WON'T SEE, REALLY SEE THAT DUMPSTER WALL. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN WORK ON? YES. AGAIN, WE'RE HAPPY TO MAKE IT A HUNDRED PERCENT WE'RE O OBEY. UH, JUST BE, YOU KNOW, NO ONE, BECAUSE THEN IT'S THAT FROM THE STREET. THE ANSWER TO THE PREVIOUS IS, I WOULD SAY THEY'RE ON THEIR, THEIR 10 FOOT SIDE YARD. BUT AS A REMINDER, THAT IS A 80 BUILDING AND IT'S GOT THIS KIND OF THE SECOND FLOOR, FIRST FLOOR. SO THERE IS, THERE'S NO WINDOWS, NO RESIDENCE AT LEVEL ONE. YEAH, THE . OKAY. AND ON THE DUMPSTER OF ENCLOSURE, ARE YOU AMENABLE TO THE 70% OPEN WROUGHT IRON FENCE AND THEN DOING SOME KIND OF PAINTER OR SOMETHING TO MITIGATE THE, THE DUMPSTER WALL? UH, UM, I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT I THINK THE, THE 70, THE SUGGESTION OF THE 70% WAS IN STAFF RECOMMENDATION ONLY BECAUSE THAT'S IN THE CRITERIA. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THE INTENT HERE IS TO HIDE AN UGLY DUMPSTER FROM SWISS AVENUE NOT TO SHOW IT OFF. CORRECT. RIGHT. CORRECT. YES. NOT TO SHOW 30% OF IT. YEAH. OKAY, JACK, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IF WE HAVE A, WE'RE NOT SEEING A DUMPSTER, WE'RE SEEING A SOLID METAL DUMPSTER WALL CRACKED A GATE AT THE DUMPSTER. THAT'S OUR PER YEAH. THAT'S WHAT WE . YEAH. I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS THE COLOR OF THE GATE IF YOU CAN'T SEE THE DUMPSTER. SO, UM, THAT'S WHY STAFF APPROVED IT LIKE THAT. WE DIDN'T SEE A CONCERN FOR THIS PARTICULAR MAKE. YOU CAN'T MAKE THE, THAT SIZE OF A FENCE DISAPPEAR, WHETHER IT'S GRAY OR GREEN. IT'S GONNA BE A GREEN BLOCK OR A GRAY BLOCK OR WHATEVER. I THINK COMMISSIONER ANDERSON'S POINT MAY BE THAT A SOLID GATE UP NEAR THE FRONT, A REAL BIG ONE WOULD BE LESS ATTRACTIVE THAN A TRASH DUMPSTER. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING. TWO THINGS. A SOLID, A SOLID METAL WALL THAT IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE ORDINANCE IS GONNA BE UNSIGHTLY. WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS YOU DO A WR IRON GATE THAT IS 70% OPEN AND THEN YOU ALLOW FOR THE DUMPSTER METAL GATE TO BE PAINTED A, A COLOR THAT IS GRAY OR GREEN THAT YOU LOOK, IT'S ABOUT 150 FEET FROM THE MIDDLE OF SWISS AVENUE TO THE DUMPSTER. I DON'T WANNA HAVE A SOLID METAL WALL THAT IS NOT NEEDED. SO ARE YOU AMENABLE, ARE YOU AMENABLE TO A ROT IRON FENCE AND THEN DEALING WITH THE DUMPSTER METAL GATE AT, AT SOME POINT? YES. YES. APPLICANTS WERE AMENABLE TO THE 70% OPEN DURING TASK FORCE. THAT'S WHY WE APPROVED IT THIS WAY BECAUSE THEY WERE OKAY WITH MAKING THE GATE THAT WAY. AND AGAIN, THREE, THE OTHER THREE SIDES WOULD BE BRICK THAT MATCH OUR BUILDING BECAUSE THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THAT ORDINANCE TO HAVE THE, THE FENCE 70% OPEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES. OKAY. TERRIFIC. ALRIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? MAY I MAKE, UH, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SOME, UH, SOME COMMISSIONER REEVES. THE, THE FENCE AROUND THE DUMPSTER'S GONNA BE CHAIN LINK. NO, IT'S A BRICK ENCLOSURE. BUT IT HAS A RO A METAL GATE, CORRECT? CORRECT. CORRECT. SO FACING SWISS AVENUE IS A METAL GATE ON A BRICK DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE. CORRECT. BUT I THOUGHT THE DUMPSTER ITSELF HAD A FENCE AROUND IT. IT HAS A BRICK WALL AROUND IT AND A FENCE. LIGHT GATE. YEAH. YES. OH, OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MR. ? WELL, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS. UM, SO THE, BETWEEN THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING AND THE PROPERTY LINE IS ALMOST 30 FEET AND THE ENCLOSURE FOR THE, UM, FOR THE DUMPSTER IS 12 FEET WIDE WITH A, UH, 10 FOOT WIDE DOOR IN THOSE PROPORTIONS. AND IT'S ONLY SIX FEET, TWO INCHES [02:00:01] TALL IN THOSE PROPORTIONS. I WOULD PROPOSE THAT YOU DO NOT WANNA SEE THE DUMPSTER. THAT'S WHY YOU BUILT THE THREE BRICK WALLS AROUND THE PERIMETER OF IT. THE FACE THAT DOES, UM, UH, FACE THE STREET, IT'S 150 FEET BACK. THE, THE, THE BUILDING IS SIX FEET TALL BELOW FEET WIDE. IT'S GONNA BE QUITE SMALL. I DON'T THINK YOU WANNA SEE, YOU'VE GONE TO THE EXTENT AND EXPENSE OF BUILDING A BRICK WALL AROUND THREE SIDES OF IT THAT YOU CANNOT SEE FROM THE STREET. AND NOW WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE TRASH, UM, AT ALL. I MEAN, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY FAR BACK. WE WANNA MAKE IT 70% OPEN. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU WANNA GO. I, I I'M NOT GONNA SU WELL, UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO THE CONTRARY. , I I SUSPECT THAT IT, IT DOESN'T REALLY LOOK WORSE TO HAVE A LITTLE SOLID GATE THAN TO SEE THE DUMPSTER SINCE IT IS SO FAR BACK AND IT IS SMALL, IT WILL LOOK LIKE A, A LITTLE STORAGE SHED OR SOMETHING. RIGHT. AND OUR, AND OUR INTENT IS NOT FOR THOSE GATES WITH PANELS TO JUST BE FLAT METAL TO, I MEAN, BASICALLY IT'D BE LIKE A WROUGHT IRON, UH, PICKET ARTICULATION, BUT JUST WITH A FLAT PANEL ON THE BACK OF IT. SO THAT SHOULD BE PRETTY, I WANNA SEE THE 30%. SO, AND TO BE CLEAR, THERE, THERE WAS AN IMAGE IN THE PLANS THAT SHOWED THAT MM-HMM . YES. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE STILL AMENABLE TO THAT YES. DESIGN OF COURSE. YEAH. OKAY. SO I MEAN THAT WOULD GREAT. OKAY. SO I, I WANNA CONTINUE. I I STILL DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND IF YOU HAVE A, A METAL GATE THAT'S HIDING THE DUMPSTER, YOU'RE NOT SEEING A DUMPSTER, YOU'RE SEEING A METAL GATE 150 FEET BACK FROM THE STREET. SO WHY DO WE NEED TO HAVE A SOLID METAL WALL THAT IS GONNA LOOK MORE OBTRUSIVE THAN THE DUMPSTER 150 FEET BACK? OKAY, I WANNA CLARIFY SOMETHING 'CAUSE I WAS CONFUSED AT FIRST. I THOUGHT THERE WAS AN EXTRA GATE MORE FORWARD IN THE DRIVE, WHICH IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ALWAYS WAS. WE BOTH LIVE IN PEAKS IS ALWAYS SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN. BUT THIS IS JUST A LITTLE GATE THAT SEALS UP THE LITTLE BUILDING WHERE THE DUMPSTER IS AND IT'S SO FAR AWAY. SO IT'S NOT A BIG GATE THAT'S CLOSE TO YOU? NO, THERE'S TWO. OKAY. THERE ARE TWO, THERE IS THE TRASH MADAM CHAIR CLOSURE THAT HAS THE WALLS AND THE GATES BECAUSE THE TRASH PEOPLE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET IN IT. YEAH. AND THEN 150 FEET BY THE FRONT OF SW, YOU KNOW, SWISS ENTRANCE THEY'RE PROPOSING SO THAT YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE THAT TRASH ENCLOSURE TO HAVE THE SOLID METAL GATE. OKAY. SO I WAS RIGHT THE FIRST PLACE WHEN I THOUGHT THAT THERE'S TWO SEPARATE YES. THE TRASH ENCLOSURE IS ITSELF AND THEN THE ACTUAL BIG GATE BY THE ENTRANCE IS SEPARATE. OKAY. AND THE TRASH ENCLOSURE IS DEFINITELY SOLID. I PULL IT UP RIGHT NOW. YEAH. SHOW IT UP AND, AND SHOW US. SO THE TRASH ENCLOSURE IS DEFINITELY SOLID. SO IF THE ONE FURTHER OUT TOWARDS THE STREET HAD SOME VISIBILITY THROUGH IT ALL YOU WOULD SEE IS THIS SOLID DOOR OVER WHAT LOOKS LIKE A SIX FOOT TALL LITTLE CH THING. EXACTLY. MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONER OFFIT. YES. FOR WHOEVER ENDS UP MAKING A MOTION, WE NEED TO GIVE ENOUGH ROOM IN THERE BECAUSE I, I BELIEVE THAT THE, EITHER THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT OR BUILDING INSPECTION REQUIRES BOTH A SOLID GATE AND THREE SOLID SIDES, EXCEPT FOR A SIDE OPENING, WHICH CAN'T BE SEEN FROM THE OUTSIDE. UH, I I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE ALL SORT OF AGREED THAT FOR THE LITTLE GATE ON THE ENCLOSURE, IT SHOULD BE SOLID. YES. AND, AND THEN IF THAT SOMEHOW ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH FOR SANITATION, THAT'S, THAT'S SANITATION'S PROBLEM, UNFORTUNATELY. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE ALREADY MET THE APPLICANTS HAVE MET WITH SANITATION AND KNOW WHAT THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT WANTS. YES, WE HAVE. YES. THAT'S WHY IT'S BEING MOVED. SO THIS IS THE ENCLOSURE, WHICH IS NUMBER YEAH. 12. AND THIS GATE HERE IS NUMBER 13, WHICH WILL BE AT THE ENTRANCE HOLD BACK HERE. AND, AND THE GATE IS, THE GATE IS UP TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE, CORRECT? OF THE BUILDING? NO, I THINK THERE'S SOME CONFUSION. THE, THE ONLY GATE ON THE PROPERTY, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ONE UP HERE, THERE'S NOT AN ENTRANCE GATE? NO. THE ONLY GATE ON THE PROPERTY IS IN FRONT OF THE DUMPSTER INLET. OKAY. OH, SO JUST, JUST ON THE, I KIND OF THOUGHT I WAS HEARING THAT , THE FOURTH WALL OF THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE WILL BE A ORNAMENTAL. MY APOLOGIES. NO PROBLEM. YOU GUYS WERE NOT AT THE TASK FORCE AND IT WAS DESCRIBED A LITTLE DIFFERENT. UM, YEAH, NO PROBLEM. UH, THAT'S WHY. OKAY. SO THEN EVEN THESE ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAN WE'RE AT TASKFORCE , SO APOLOGIES. IT IS A BIG TEAM. SO THERE MIGHT SOME, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS GATE DRAWN ABOVE YOUR PLAN OF THE DUMPSTER, THAT THAT GATE [02:05:01] IS WHERE? RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF THE DUMPSTER? NO, I MEAN, WHERE IS IT IN THE WORLD? ? IT'S RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF THE TWO DUMPSTERS. SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S A DRAWING OF THAT. OKAY. AND THERE ARE NOT ANY AT SCHOOL ENTRANCE, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. SO SWISS ENTRANCE, YOU JUST DRIVE IN, HOPEFULLY NOT THROUGH THE SOLID GATE INTO THE DUMPSTER. YES, YES, YES. THE PARKING LOT IS UNSECURED. I I WAS UNDER THE MISUNDERSTANDING. THERE WAS A ANOTHER GATE TOWARD THE FRONT CORNER OF THE HOUSE. THAT'S BECAU YES, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I PRESENTED IT. BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT WAS PRESENTED AT TASK FORCE. SORRY, THAT'S HOW WE THOUGHT. AND NOW WE'RE ALL CLEAR. YES. IT'S JUST A LITTLE GATE AT THE ENCLOSURE. OH, THIS IS A FUN DAY. OKAY. OKAY. SO YEAH. AND, AND JUST AGAIN ON THE LOCATION OF THE TRASH ENCLOSURE, THIS WAS FROM OUR TRASH CONSULTANT. THE MOST EFFICIENT PLACE TO PUT IT BECAUSE THE TRASH TRUCK CAN EASILY COME IN, TAKE THE TRASH, REVERSE AND LEAVE IT. YES. SO THAT'S WHY WE PROPOSED PUTTING IN THIS LOCATION. I THINK ALL OF OUR DIMENSION LINES, PROPERTY LINES, SETBACK LINES. I THINK THAT'S THE DEFINITION. . WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. I MISUNDERSTOOD. UH, WE ALL DID. AND I MISUNDERSTOOD THREE TIMES BECAUSE EVERYTHING KEPT COMING BACK AGAIN. BUT NOW I THINK I SEE IT AND SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OTHER ASPECTS OF THE THINGS THEY'VE ASKED FOR? I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UM, CHRISTINA, IF YOU COULD PUT BACK UP THE BEFORE AND AFTER FOR THAT ONE FOUNDATION. THE FOUNDATION FACADE. OH GOSH, IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. 'CAUSE WE CAN'T, I CAN'T DO THAT ON MY COMPUTER. I JUST WANNA SEE THEM AND COMPARE THEM. CAN YOU GET 'EM ON THE SCREEN AT THE SAME TIME AND THEN WE JUST KNOW IF WE CARE ABOUT THE CHANGES, IF WE SEE THEM AS CAUSING ANY PROBLEMS OR IF THEY HAVE NOT, THEN WE WILL BE AWARE OF THAT. SURE. OH, WHILE SHE'S DOING THAT, I WILL ASK WHY YOU HAD TO CHANGE THE DI THE WIDTH OF THE LEERS AND ADD THE EXTRA BRICK AROUND THE WINDOW. I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY THE OTHER CHANGES YOU HAD TO MAKE MADE THAT HAPPEN. IT WAS JUST A, UH, ARTICULATION CLARIFICATION. IN FACT, THERE WAS ONE I KNOW THAT WE JUST, WE CENTERED OUT THE WINDOWS BETTER AND MORE CLEANLY. SO THIS IS MAKING IT LOOK BETTER. OKAY, HERE WE GO. SO THE BOTTOM WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. MM-HMM . THE TOP IS THE NEW EVERYTHING RAILING FENESTRATION STEPS. YES. OTHER THAN THE FRONT RIGHT ENTRANCE. YEAH. AND EVEN ON SCREEN YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT OF TINT COLOR BETWEEN THE BRICK. WE HAVE NOT CHANGED PROPOSED BRICK. THAT'S ONE SOFTWARE TO ANOTHER AND JUST NOT NEEDLING TO TRY TO GET THE BRICK TO BE THE EXACT SAME THING. THE INTENT OF TWO BRICK TONES FOLLOWS, UH, BUILDING PREVIOUSLY YES. FINAL COURT. OKAY. AND THERE WERE PLENTY OF, UM, MANIPULATIONS TO, THERE WERE PLENTY OF STYLES THAT WOULD HAVE TWO BRICK TONE IN THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE FOR PEAK CONDITION NEIGHBORHOODS. SO THAT'S, I THINK WHAT IT WAS. I THINK THE ONE IN PARTICULAR IS, UM, OVER THE SECOND. YOU LOOK FROM THE TOP. MM-HMM . THE, THE ONE, THE SECOND SETBACK, UM, SET OF BALS. RIGHT. BIT THE WORD OVER THE WORD PATIO. ONE PATIO. DO NOT, OH, OKAY. THAT WINDOW THERE. AND THEN IF YOU COME, THEN YOU COULD JUST SCROLL JUST DOWN JUST A BIT. IT'S DOING SOMETHING. SORRY. I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMPUTER WOULD DO WHAT WE TOLD IT. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW. THERE YOU GO. SAY THAT. SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WE TIDIED UP AND TIGHTENED UP THAT, THAT GAP. UM, JUST THAT PROPORTION. SO THAT THAT WINDOW IS KIND OF NOT SITTING ALL BY ITSELF AS HE IS ON TOP. HE'S MORE TIED, TIED IN AND TUCKED INTO THE PILE LASTER, UH, ON THE BOTTOM. THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY. OKAY. SO DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS OR ANY OTHER ASPECTS OF THE DESIGN? I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S, AND IF NO HAS ANY QUESTIONS, DOES ANYONE HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION. OKAY. UH, REGARDING THIS DISCUSSION, ITEM NUMBER SIX, UH, 1000 NORTH PEAK STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS COA 2 5 1 5 8, THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND CONDITIONS ON ITEMS ONE THROUGH 12 AND ON ITEM 13 THAT WE APPROVE AS, UH, PRESENTED AS SUBMITTED RATHER. SECOND, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE SECOND. COMMISSIONER REEVES. COMMISSIONER REEVES, WHAT'S THE SECOND? OKAY, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, IS THERE? ALRIGHT, THEN I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. OPPOSED? OKAY. IT APPEARS THAT YOUR MOTION HAS PASSED, SO NOW YOU CAN PROCEED TO BUILD THAT BUILDING SO I CAN WATCH YOU BUILD IT. AND I WALK BY EVERY DAY TOMORROW. OKAY. WELL, YOU'RE RIGHT. OH, A BUNCH OF CATS HAVE MOVED INTO YOUR PROPERTY, SO YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD THE CATS MAY HAVE CLAIMED IT. AND THEN, YEAH, [02:10:01] WE'VE HAD SQUATTERS RIGHTS. YES. . ALRIGHT. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE. THANK YOU. OKAY, NOW WE CAN MOVE ON TO NUMBER THREE. . SORRY, I WAS WRITING NOTES STILL FROM THAT. MY APOLOGIES TO ALL OF YOU. TASK FORCE FOR THAT PARTICULAR ONE WAS A LITTLE HEATED AND IT WAS A LOT . I, I, I HEARD ABOUT THAT. UM, LOOK HOW MUCH BETTER THINGS MIGHT HEAR. IT HELPS TO EXHAUST US FIRST, THEN WE CAN WELL, IT'S A DIFFERENT GROUP. DIFFERENT GROUP. VERY, VERY DIFFERENT. DIFFERENT GROUP. AND CONCERNS, I'M SURE. UM, OKAY. DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER THREE OF CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF. 54 22 TREMONT STREET, JUNIORS HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICTS COA 25 2 2 3 A REQUEST, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT A MURAL ON A 1920 RETAIL STRUCTURE TO COMMEMORATE THE STREETCAR RESTORATION PROJECT. STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A MURAL BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE. WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE MURAL IS NOT TYPICAL WITHIN A PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD IN DALLAS WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT AND IS THEREFORE INCONSISTENT WITH SECTIONS 4.6 AND 4.9. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4, 5 0 1 G SIX I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING AT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT A MURAL ON A 1920S RETAIL STRUCTURE TO COMMEMORATE THE STREET CAR RESTORATION PROJECT, THEY APPEARED ISSUED. ALRIGHT. AND WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER REGISTERED FOR THIS. AND THAT IS BRIAN JACKSON, I ASSUME ONLINE. IS BRIAN JACKSON AVAILABLE ONLINE? HE IS. ONE SECOND. OUR L SPEAKER IS NOT HERE, SO WE OH, ANDREW IS GONE. SOMETHING. OKAY. BRIAN, ARE YOU THERE? DID IT WORK? CAN YOU SAY SOMETHING? WE MADE YOU A PANELIST. NOW BRIAN, I DON'T SEE YOU YET. I DON'T SEE, OH, THERE, HE'S RAISING HIS HAND. LET'S SEE. I SEE A SPEAKER FOR A LATER ONE, BUT NOT, THERE HE IS. HEY, THERE WE GO. ARE YOU THERE? YEAH. YOU GUYS SEE ME? YEAH. YES. OKAY. THERE YOU ARE. YES. WELCOME. AWESOME. GREAT. I MUST ASK YOU TO START BY GIVING US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND SWEARING OR AFFIRMING THAT YOU WILL TELL THE TRUTH. UH, BRIAN JACKSON 57 0 1 VICTOR STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 4. I AFFIRM THAT. I'LL GIVE YOU CORRECT AND ACCURATE INFORMATION. WELL, THANK YOU . ALL RIGHT. YOU HAVE, UH, YOU CAN BEGIN WITH THREE MINUTES. TELL US ABOUT YOUR INTERESTING PROJECT. OKAY. THE 7 0 7 STREETCAR MURAL PROPOSAL IS SET FOR 54 54 22 TREMONT. AND, UM, THIS WAS SUBMITTED BACK IN MID-MAY TO THE LOVE YOUR BLOCK IN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND AWARDED JUST THIS PAST JULY THE 15TH. UM, THE GRANTING BODIES WERE THE CITY OF DALLAS, KEEP DALLAS BEAUTIFUL, AND THE BLOOMBERG CENTER FOR PUBLIC INNOVATION AT JOHN HOPKINS UNIVERSITY. UH, THERE WAS ONLY 30 OF THESE AWARDS MADE CITYWIDE AND ONLY TWO OF THEM WERE MURAL PROJECTS. UH, THE GRANT WAS FOR $1,500 AND I'VE COMMITTED 100% OF THAT TO THE MURAL. UH, THE PROJECT AND PURPOSE OF IT WAS TO USE A HISTORICALLY ROOTED PUBLIC ART PIECE TO RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT THE RESTORATION AND THE LONG-TERM HOUSING NEEDS OF THE DALLAS STREET CAR 7 0 7. UH, PRESERVING THE LEGACY OF DALLAS STREET CAR HISTORY, PUBLIC ART THAT INFORMS, ENGAGES, AND ACTIVATES COMMUNITY SUPPORT. FOUR, THE LOCATION 54 22 FREMONT AVENUE BELONGS TO THE CARROLL FAMILY, FULL WRITTEN SUPPORT AND PERMISSION SECURED BY THEM IN MAY. THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN GENIUS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IS PRIVATELY OWNED RESIDENTIAL FACING WALL WITH COMMUNITY VISIBILITY ABOUT THE MURAL. UM, THE CITY OF DALLAS DECOMMISSIONED STREETCAR SYSTEM IN 1956 AND ONE STREETCAR, THE 7 0 7 THAT [02:15:01] RAN FROM DOWNTOWN DALLAS TO JUNIOR HEIGHTS HAS SURVIVED. IT NEEDS RESTORATION IN A HOME. WE HAVE MONEY TO BEGIN THE RESTORATION. WE DON'T YET HAVE IT AT HOME, SO IT'S OVER AT OR WRECKING FIELD WHERE WE'VE DISMANTLED IT PIECE BY PIECE, REMOVING ALL THE RIVETS TO GET IT OUT OF THE SPAGHETTI WAREHOUSE THAT IT WAS IN. UH, IN THE WEST END, THE DESIGNS, THE DESIGN FEATURES A PAINTED RENDERING, TWO PAINTING RENDERINGS OF THE HISTORIC STREET PAR 7 0 7, A CONDUCTOR THAT'S PERIOD, UH, AND PERIOD ATTIRE. A STYLIZED ROOT MAP, VINTAGE, FAIR TOKENS, AND NEUTRAL HISTORICALLY RESPECTFUL COLOR PALETTE IS ALSO COMPLETE WITH THE GENIUS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT SIGN TOPPER AND LOGO. UM, THE COMMUNITY AND OVERSIGHT PROGRESS. THE OWNER AND APPROVAL WAS CONFIRMED BY THE CAROLS TASK FORCE HAS REVIEWED AND PASSED IT. THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD ENDORSEMENT, BROAD COMMUNITY SUPPORTS, AND WE HAD THE JUNIOR HIGH, EXCUSE ME, SIR, YOUR TIME. I I GIVE HIM ADDITIONAL FIVE MINUTES, SECONDS. OKAY. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO GIVE ADDITIONAL TIME. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER REEVES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE. YES. YES. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. SO WE'VE REACHED BROAD COMMUNITY SUPPORT AND FUNDING MATCHED UP TO $3,500. SO OVER DOUBLE THEN WHAT THE BROAD, THE, THE, UM, GRANT WAS INITIALLY FOR, CAME OUT OF THE JUNIOR HEIGHTS SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND BECAUSE OF, OF THE BELIEF IN WHAT THIS CAN DO, THE HISTORIC SENSITIVITY AND COMPLIANCE. UM, I LIVED WITHIN THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE 95 WHEN I WAS IN CO COLLEGE, EXCUSE ME. UH, MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER LIVED ON WORTH STREET, UH, DURING THE DEPRESSION. AND, UM, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, THERE'S AN EDUCATIONAL AND HISTORIC FOCUS, NOT COMMERCIAL, IT'S NON-PERMANENT MURAL. WE, IT'S PREVIOUSLY BEEN PAINTED, WE CAN PAINT IT BACK. UH, THE, THE, IT'S COMPLIMENTARY COLORS AND RESPECTFUL DESIGN THAT RAISES AWARENESS FOR THE 7 0 7 STREET CAR PRESERVATION, REINFORCES NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTITY AND STORYTELLING AND ENCOURAGES PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WITH DALLAS TRANSIT'S HISTORY. MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE HOPE THAT IT SPARKS POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIPS FOR PERMANENT RESTORATION AND HOUSING SIDE. OUR REQUEST IS THAT YOU RESPECTFULLY SEEK THAT WE SEEK THE, THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION'S APPROVAL TO PROCEED WITH MURAL INSTALLATION THERE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. AND YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE ENVISIONING IS, YOU KNOW, BABY STEPS HERE WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE, THE MURAL WE, THAT IS POSITIONING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND IN A HOME. WE, WE, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF WRITING, UH, BUSINESS PLANS. WE ENCOURAGE LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS WITH BUILDINGS THAT ARE LARGE ENOUGH TO HOUSE IT. AND WE'RE ENGAGING PEOPLE TO GET THEM ACTIVELY INVOLVED TO SEE WHERE WE CAN TAKE THIS AND BRING, BRING THE 7 0 7 HOME. THAT'S MY PRESENTATION FOR YOU. I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER REEDS. COMMISSIONER REEDS TRYING TO GET THAT MUTE BUTTON OFF. I'M PROBABLY THE ONLY PERSON HERE THAT'S EVER OWNED A TRAIN CAR. UH, HOW DO YOU PLAN? I'LL SEND YOU A PICTURE. UH, HOW DO YOU PLAN TO GET IT INTO THE BUILDING? OKAY, SO THERE'S TWO PARTS. ONE IS THE, THE MURAL TO BRING AWARENESS AND LATER IS THE FINDING IN A HOME, WHETHER IT'S THAT PLACE OR NOT. WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO OPEN UP DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CAROLS TO, UH, EXTEND THAT TO US AS AN OPTION. AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I'M WORKING ON BUSINESS PLANS TO PRE PRESENT THAT TO THEM AS WELL AS OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT IS, IT IS IN PIECES RIGHT NOW. IT'S VIRTUALLY IN 10,000 PIECES, [02:20:01] UH, THAT NEED TO BE RE RIVETED BACK TOGETHER. AND WE HAVE DONE THE RESEARCH AND FOUND THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE DONE THE MCKINNEY STREETCAR RESTORATION. AND, UH, THAT IS WHO WE HAVE, UH, UM, COMMISSIONED TO DO THE RESTORATION ONCE, ONCE THAT BEGINS. OKAY. SO IT'S EASY TO TAKE THE PIECES IN ANYWHERE. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I HAVE A QUESTION. UH, MR. JACKSON, DO YOU KNOW THE, THE HISTORY OF THE, THE, THE BIG LAND, UH, RUSH IN 1906? THE STREETCAR? UH, YEAH, I KNOW A LOT OF IT. I KNOW THAT THAT WAS A DRIVING FACTOR IN ADVERTISE PART OF THE ADVERTISING TO, UH, PULL PEOPLE INTO THE, THE, THIS WAS A GREAT PART OF, UH, WELL IT WAS EAST DALLAS AT THE TIME ORIGINALLY. UM, AND, AND THAT WE WERE CONNECTED TO THE CITY. SO IF, IF I COULD JUST REAL QUICKLY, A DAY IN 1906, THE STREETCAR, UM, THAT RAN INTO THE AREA, HAD A FREE, UH, UH, PASSAGE TO THE END OF THE LINE. WERE AT MIDNIGHT THAT DAY. THEY HAD A LAND RUSH AND LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF LOTS SOLD IN A COUPLE OF HOURS. AND JUNIORS HEIGHTS WAS ESTABLISHED 'CAUSE THE STREETCAR CAME AND DROPPED PEOPLE OFF AT THE SITE. SO THE STREET, THIS IS THE STREETCAR NEIGHBORHOOD, IS PROBABLY THE CONSUM OF STREETCAR NEIGHBORHOOD IN DALLAS. AND I THINK AMIR REPRESENTING THE STREETCAR IS VERY APPROPRIATE TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU, MR. ANDERSON. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, JOAN, FOR CONTEXT. OKAY. WELL, IF WE HAVE NO QUESTIONS, THEN WE MUST HAVE A MOTION QUESTION. OH. OR A QUESTION, COMMISSIONER . SURE. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE PUTTING OR PAINTING THE MURAL ON TOP OF THE EXISTING WOOD FACADE, WHICH IS SORT OF HAS A, A LAP TO IT ONCE, LIKE, WAS IT ONE 17? SURE. LIKE ONE 17. YES. HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH NOT PAINTING ON A FLAT SURFACE AS FAR AS LIKE SHADOW LINES AND DEALING WITH THE COMPLEX DESIGN THAT YOU HAVE AND BEING ABLE TO TRANSLATE THAT INTO GETTING IT OVER ALL THOSE ROUNDED EDGES? YEAH. SO SOME OF THAT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, VISUALLY, UH, NOTICEABLE IN PERSON. SURE. UH, THE TEARDROP, IT ONLY HAS A DIFFERENTIAL DEPTH, UH, THICKNESS OF LESS THAN A QUARTER OF AN INCH FROM ITS THIN POINT TO THE THICKEST. UH, SO I, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SCALE OF THE MURAL BEING 10 FEET TALL AND 60 FEET WIDE AND VERY LARGE, UM, ITEMS THAT WE'VE, THAT WE'RE KINDA SHOWCASING ON THERE. AND THE FACT THAT IT'S A MURAL AND IF YOU EVER LOOK AT, UH, A DESIGN THAT WAS DONE IN THE COMPUTER VERSUS WHAT'S ACTUALLY RENDERED ON, ON WITH PAINT ONTO A BOARD THERE, THERE IS A LOT OF FORGIVENESS BECAUSE THE EYE FILLS IN GAPS AND UNDERSTANDS WHAT IT'S LOOKING AT. RIGHT. SO IT, IT REALIZES IT'S LOOKING AT THE SHAPE OF A TEARDROP FORM OVER A 10 FOOT, UH, STRETCH. I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. OKAY. UM, SO YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU RECEIVED A GRANT, UH, TO DO THIS PROJECT. AND WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DENY THIS, UH, GOING ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING? DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER LOCATION OR HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH YOUR GRANT? OKAY, SO HOW IT WOULD WORK IS I WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO FORFEIT THE GRANT AND RETURN THE MONEY 'CAUSE, UH, THEY, UH, WITHOUT SOUNDING LIKE FINGER POINTER OR UNGRATEFUL, THEY KINDA WAITED AROUND MOST OF THE SUMMER TO AWARDED THE MONEY AND TOLD ME THAT I COULDN'T ANNOUNCE IT UNTIL THEY ANNOUNCED IT JULY 15TH. UH, SO I WASN'T ABLE TO GET LOCAL SUPPORT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD UNTIL JUST LAST WEEK AND, AND GET THE EMERGENCY FUNDING. AND I LEAVE FOR PORTUGAL ON THE 15TH OF AUGUST THROUGH THE 30TH. AND THEY BE, BECAUSE IT'S A JOHN HOPKINS, UH, GRANT, IT HAS TO BE COMPLETED NO LONGER, NO LATER THAN SEPTEMBER 14TH. UM, SO I WOULD PROBABLY, PROBABLY FORFEIT THE, UH, THE MONEY. AND SO YOU HAVE TO GET THIS PAINTED BY SEPTEMBER 15TH? THAT'S RIGHT. 14TH. OH MY GOSH. OKAY. WOW. YEAH, I'VE GOT STENCILS READY, I'VE GOT [02:25:01] THE ARTIST ENGAGED. WE WERE GOING TO START AS SOON AS WE GET Y'ALL'S APPROVAL. I HAVE THE SAND, I HAVE THE SIGN HAND CUT AND STENCIL THIS WEEKEND. UH, THE CAROLS BRUSHED ALL THE COBWEBS OFF AND, UH, POWER WASHED IT THEMSELVES, UM, BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT WE NEEDED THAT DONE AND SAVED US $300. SO, UH, YEAH, I, I, YOU KNOW, PART OF IT IS MY, ME BEING NAIVE, I DIDN'T REALIZE 'CAUSE IT WAS, UH, PRIVATE BUILDING AND BOARDED UP AND IN SUCH DISREPAIR TO BEGIN WITH THAT, UH, THERE WOULD BE SO MANY OBSTACLES TO OVERCOME. ALL RIGHT. AND, AND ONE MORE QUESTION. UH, HOW ABOUT MAINTENANCE? SO IF YOU KNOW THIS GREAT QUESTION, YOU'RE ALL IN THE TENSE, TEXAS SUN AND FADING AND, OR YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY GRAFFITI IT OR WHATEVER. I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN THIS OVER TIME? I DO. YES. THERE IS A TWO YEAR CONTRACT WITH THE ARTIST TO MAINTAIN, UH, THE MURAL GRAFFITI FREE. IT'S ALSO BEING CODED. PART OF THAT COST OF RAISING THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS IS TO GET IT A GRAFFITI COATING SO THAT MOST THINGS WILL POWER WASH OFF. UM, AND, UH, IT, IT FACES THE EAST, SO IT GETS MORNING SUN AND NOT THE LATE SUN. UM, I'M ANTICIPATING IT, UH, LASTING WELL BEYOND THE TWO YEARS AND, AND, UH, IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS STILL WANTING IT TO STAY UP AS WELL AS THE CURLS, UH, THEN WE WOULD SEEK ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO, UH, TO DO THAT. BUT HOPEFULLY BY THEN THE TWO YEARS WOULD GIVE US A CHANCE TO MOVE THE NEEDLE ON, UH, FINDING THAT, THAT THAT PERMANENT HOME, UH, WHETHER IT'S THERE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE, MOVING IT INDOORS AND BEGIN THE RESTORATION. UM, BUT WE HAVE THE, TO BEGIN THE RESTORATION, WE HAVE THE MANPOWER AND WE HAVE THE MONEY. WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR THE HOME. AND, UH, I, I BELIEVE THAT, THAT THIS MURAL WOULD ENGAGE AND IGNITE OUR, OUR LOCAL SUPPORT AND, UH, PUT IT, PUT IT BEFORE HIM TO, TO MAKE A DECISION. AND THE, THE, THE REASON WHY I, I HEARD A QUESTION THIS MORNING ON MARY 7 0 7. SO THE STREETCAR IS THE 7 0 7 MARY IN RELATIONSHIP TO MARY CAROL, WHO WAS MY LANDLORD IN COLLEGE AND HAS AGREED TO ALLOW US TO USE THE PROPERTY. A LOT OF THESE OLD STREET CARS, WHEN THEY DO GET RESTORED, THEY TAKE ON A FEMININE NAME LIKE MARY OR BETTY OR MARGARET. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS AN EMOTIONAL PLAY THAT I'M PURPOSELY DOING TO CONNECT THE TWO A LITTLE BIT CLOSER SO THAT POTENTIALLY THAT THEY'LL OPEN IT UP TO US ONCE, ONCE, UH, ONCE WE PUT IT ALL ONLINE. COUPLE OF SIMPLE QUESTIONS I GOT. UM, WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL, UH, UH, USE OF THIS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY? YEAH, SO THE PROPERTY, UH, WHEN I FIRST MOVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS A CONVENIENCE STORE THAT WAS OPEN WELL UNTIL THE LATE HOURS. UM, OKAY. AND, AND YOU ALSO ALLUDED TO ANOTHER, UM, THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION OF, UH, THE LOGISTICS OR MEANS AND METHODS, HOW, WHETHER OR NOT THIS STREETCAR WAS GONNA GO INSIDE OR NOT, IT'S STILL UNDECIDED WHETHER IT'S GONNA FIND ITS HOME THERE OR IT IS THAT THAT'S RIGHT. THE, THE MURAL IS NOT YET DECIDED TO GO THERE. IT, IT, THE, THE IDEA OF THE MURAL IS TO ENGAGE AND IGNITE CONVERSATION AND POTENTIALLY THAT COULD BE A HOME FOR IT. NOW WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE INVESTIGATING HOW OUR 5 0 1 C STATUS COULD BE BENEFICIAL, UH, WHAT KIND OF TAX INCENTIVES THEY COULD GET, WHAT THE TEXAS TORICAL COMMISSION MIGHT BE ABLE TO OFFER US THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO, BUT WE'RE NOT QUITE YET THERE. UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING BECAUSE THE, IT MIGHT ALMOST, UM, ALLUDE THE THOUGHT THAT THIS MAY HAVE BEEN A STREETCAR, UH, BUILDING OR SOMETHING AT SOME POINT, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO TRACKS AROUND. UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANY MAYBE FUTURE SIGNAGE THAT WOULD SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT THE BUILDING, ORIGINAL BUILDING WAS AT SOME POINT. AND THAT'S NOT FOR US TO DISCUSS HERE, BUT [02:30:01] JUST KIND OF SOMETHING TO QUESTION YOU ON. UH, AND WHEN IT DOES GO IN THERE, IF THAT STREET CARD DOES GO IN THERE, I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW YOU'RE GONNA LOGISTICALLY GET IT IN AND MAYBE HELP SUPPORT YOU IN THAT NATURE AS WELL AND HOW TO BEST GET IT IN, UH, WITHOUT DESTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING. UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS. OH YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. UH, YEAH, I LIVE IN AN HISTORIC HOUSE, 1916. UH, I HAVE DONE, UH, RENO MAJOR RENOVATIONS THROUGH TO THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO PRESERVE, UH, IT'S, IT'S BEAUTY. UH, WE WOULD NOT DESTROY ANY BUILDING TO, UH, DO IT. THE BUILDING IS OVER 60 FEET LONG IN ORDER TO, UH, TAKE ON THE MURAL. THE STREETCAR IS UNDER THAT LENGTH. UH, I, I, I DO HAVE A RENDERING OF IT THAT, THAT SHOWS IT WITHIN A BUILDING. UM, NOT THAT BUILDING, BUT WE WERE PLANNING ON USING IT ON THE HOME TOUR TO AND ON THE FRONT OF IT, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY ON THE FRONT OF THESE STREET CARS, THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF ADVERTISEMENT POSTER ON THE BOTTOM CORNER AND IT SAYS, HELP FIND ME A HOME. AND SO THAT'S OUR TIE IN WITH, UH, THE HOME TOUR. AND WE'RE ALSO RAISING MONEY FOR IT DURING NORTH TEXAS GIVING DAY AS ONE OF THE THREE PILLARS. SO WE'RE REALLY DEDICATED TO THIS. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF I COULD BEG EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO SEE MY VISION, UH, THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S MY INTENT. UM, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR EFFORTS. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. THERE, THERE IS NO THANK YOU. THERE, THERE IS NO PROMISES HERE, BUT I, I DO BELIEVE, UH, IN THE POWER OF, YOU KNOW, SMALL HEAD NODS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND, UM, I'VE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF THEM FROM THE, FROM THE CAROLS. AND THEY, THEY SEE THIS AS A, A, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE REASON WHEN YOU ASKED WHAT IT WAS BEFORE, PART OF THE REASON THE CAROLS BOUGHT IT AND SHUT IT DOWN WAS BECAUSE THEIR FAMILIES LIVE ALL UP AND DOWN THAT BLOCK ON TREMONT AND THEY HAVE TONS OF PROPERTIES AND THEY WERE BASICALLY HARASSED BY THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC INTO, INTO, INTO AND AROUND THEIR, THEIR HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. SO THEY BOUGHT IT, HAVING NO PLAN FOR IT OTHER THAN TO SHUT IT DOWN. AND THEY'RE USING IT FOR NOTHING MORE THAN STORAGE AT THE MOMENT. SO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT THEY GIVE IN TO, UH, PERSUASION AND WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT FOR THEM TO MAKE IT BENEFICIAL IS YET TO BE SEEN. THAT IS MY NEXT GOAL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION. WHO HAS A MOTION? I DO. OH. OH, OF COURSE I DO. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, 54 22 TREMONT STREET, UM, ALSO KNOWN AS COA 2 5 2 2 3 THAT WE APPROVE AS SUBMITTED. SECOND. SECOND. THE SECOND CAME FROM COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA. ALRIGHT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED ANY DISCUSSION, BUT I, AS A HISTORIAN ARE, I'M DELIGHTED TO THINK THAT THEY'RE BRINGING THE HISTORY OF GENIUS HEIGHTS TO LIFE IN THIS PICTORIAL MANNER. SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO READ MUCH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ HARDLY AT ALL IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MURAL, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT YOU LIVE IN AN INTERESTING PLACE. AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL INSPIRE PEOPLE TO RESPECT HISTORIC PRESERVATION IF THEY KNOW THERE WAS AN INTERESTING HISTORY. SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? UH, YES. YOU SAY YES, YES, YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. IT HAS CARRIED PROCEED, MR. JACKSON. AND, UH, YOU REALIZE EVERYTHING YOU SAID TODAY WAS IN A RECORDED PUBLIC MEETING. SO YOU LAID OUT YOUR STRATEGY FOR THE FUTURE YEAH. INCLUDING FOR CONVINCING PEOPLE AND STUFF, BUT GOOD LUCK. WELL, I LAID IT OUT FOR SEVERAL PEOPLE DURING THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING TOO THAT WANTED TO KNOW A BIT MORE. AND, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT SEAN AND MARY, UH, ARE NOT COMPLETELY AWARE OF WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS. BUT, UH, YOU DON'T STRIKE ME AS SECRETIVE . SO, ALL RIGHTY. WELL, YOU GOT YOUR APPROVAL, SO CONTINUE WITH YOUR WORK AND GOOD LUCK ON MEETING THAT SEPTEMBER 14TH DEADLINE. UH, WE WILL BE DONE. THANK YOU GUYS. OKAY. DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS MY MONITOR. YEAH, MY MIC IS ON NOW EZ ON THE ON BEHALF OF STAFF. DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 4 58 0 1 WIR STREET, JUNIOR HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 25 1 4 6. UH, REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL AN LED CABINET MONUMENT SIGN IN FRONT OF SCHOOL. REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS [02:35:01] TO REPLACE THE EXISTING PLAYGROUND AND INSTALL A GARDEN AREA STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL AN LED CABINET MONUMENT SIGN IN FRONT OF SCHOOL, BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE. THE PROPOSED DIGITAL SIGN IS NOT TYPICAL OF THE PERIOD OF THE PROPERTY AND THE DISTRICT WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT AND IS THEREFORE INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION 12.1, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX FROM MINUTE I FOUR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR SET STANDARDS FOR SETTING STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE EXISTING PLAYGROUND AND INSTALL A GARDEN AREA BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS DATED 8 4 20 25. THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 3.5, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4, 5 0 1 G SIX ROMAN AND I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL AN LEB CABINET SIGN IN FRONT YARD AND REPLACE EXISTING PLAYGROUND AND INSTALL A GARDEN AREA BE APPROVED AS PRESENT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND WE DO HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER FOR THIS ITEM. IT IS CHRIS SENO. IS THIS, UH, SPEAKER ONLINE? I, I, I DON'T, YES. OH. OH, THERE HE IS. CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY, GREAT. YES. SO SARAH, FIRST I NEED YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOUR, UH, PROMISE OR AFFIRMATION THAT YOU'LL TELL THE TRUTH. MY NAME'S CHRIS ANO. I'M REPRESENTING BRW ARCHITECTS AT 35 35 TRAVIS STREET, SUITE TWO 50, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 4. AND YES, I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. PROB, SOMEONE ELSE WAS TALKING TO ME. UM, OKAY, GO AHEAD AND TELL US WHAT YOU NEED TO TELL US. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LISTENED THIS MORNING TO HEAR SOME OF OUR CONCERNS. WE DIDN'T HAVE MANY, BUT YEAH, I'LL TRY TO ANSWER, UH, THE QUESTIONS THAT I HEARD THIS MORNING. SO FIRST OF ALL, UH, AS ARCHITECTS, WE DO DO A LOT OF WORK FOR DALLAS ISD. WE'VE DONE MANY, UH, SCHOOLS AROUND THE AREA, INCLUDING WOODROW WILSON HIGH SCHOOL, UH, WHICH RECEIVED, UH, PRESERVATION DALLAS AWARDS THAT WE'RE VERY PROUD OF. UM, AND SO EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DALLAS ISD STANDARDS. SO THIS SIGNAGE IS THEIR STANDARD. UM, YES, THERE WILL BE TIMERS TO TURN OFF THE LIGHTS AT NIGHT. THAT'S NOT TYPICAL FOR, UH, THE SCHOOLS, BUT, UM, THE SCHOOL, THIS PARTICULAR SCHOOL, LIPSCOMB, IS COMMITTED TO DOING THAT BECAUSE IT'S APPROPRIATE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S A QUESTION REGARDING THE SIZE OF THE SIGN AND THE OVERALL SIGN IS ABOUT FIVE FEET BY 10 FEET. UM, BUT THE ENTIRE SIGN IS NOT LED. THERE'S A WHITE SURROUND ON THAT SIGN AND THE IMAGE THAT WE PROVIDED THAT LISTS THE NAME OF THE SCHOOL AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT IS JUST AN ACRYLIC THAT IS FIXED. IT IS TYPICALLY BACKLIT, BUT IT COULD BE TURNED OFF. AND THEN THE ACTUAL LED PORTION ITSELF IS ABOUT TWO FEET TALL BY SEVEN FOOT 10 LONG. UM, AND THEN WITH REGARDS TO THE, UM, SELECTING A MONUMENT SIGN VERSUS A POLE MOUNTED SIGN, THE LOCATION AND STYLE OF SIGN WAS DETERMINED BASED ON VISIBILITY. THERE ARE VERY MATURE TREES AT THE FRONT OF THE SCHOOL, AND SO A POLE MOUNTED SIGN WOULD BE OBSCURED AND OBVIOUSLY CAUSE PROBLEMS WITH THOSE TREES. SO WE, UH, ELECTED A, A MONUMENT SIGN, WHICH AGAIN IS ONE OF THE TWO STANDARDS FOR THE DISTRICT, UM, AND ALSO SELECTED A VERY, UM, NONDESCRIPT AS MINIMAL, UM, KIND OF BASE AND SURROUND AS WE COULD FOR THE SIGN JUST TO HAVE THE LEAST IMPACT TO BE, UH, SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT'S, UH, I THINK I ANSWERED MOST OF THE QUESTIONS I HEARD THIS MORNING, OBVIOUSLY, UH, WE WILL TRY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. PER, SO IN THE, UM, I GUESS THE RENDERING OR THAT WE HAVE IN OUR PACKET WITH THE SIGN, SO THE SET THE AREA AND I GUESS PURPLE WHERE IT SAYS WELCOME BACK TO LINES, WELCOME BACK LINES, THAT WOULD BE JUST THE, UM, UH, CHANGEABLE PORTION OF THE SIGN THAT THE REST OF THE WHITE WOULD BE STATIC. SO THAT WOULD JUST BE THE DIGITAL BOARD WOULD BE THE PURPLE AREA. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION. GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. YES. DO, UM, WHAT KIND OF SIGNAGE, IS THERE TYPICAL OR SIMILAR SIGNAGE AT, UM, UH, WOODROW AND, UH, LONG? DO THEY HAVE THESE SORTS OF [02:40:01] I DON'T THINK THERE IS, AND I CANNOT, UH, RECALL THE SITUATION WHEN WE DID WOODROW SEVERAL YEARS AGO. UM, BUT THIS IS THE TYPICAL SIGN, UH, BEING DONE ON, UH, NEW PROJECTS FOR THE DISTRICT. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION. COMMISSIONER OFFIT? YES. IS THIS GONNA REPLACE THE, UM, I THINK IT'S THAT MONUMENT SIGN THAT'S ALREADY, UH, AT THE FRONT OF THE SCHOOL? YES. THERE'S A SIGN, UM, ALMOST TOUCHING THE TREE RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THE HISTORIC FACADE THAT WE WILL BE REMOVING. I'M, I'M SORRY. SO YES, THAT REPLACES THE CURRENT MONUMENT AND SIGN YES. IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION. QUESTION ROTHENBERGER, UM, WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT OF IT BECOMING A TWO-SIDED SIGN WITH THE SCREENS OR THE TERM THAT I USED TO USE A-C-E-V-M-S CHANGEABLE, ELECTRONIC CHANGEABLE ELECTRONIC VARIABLE MESSAGE SIGNS FACING BOTH DIRECTIONS UP AND DOWN THE STREET? IT IS, IS THAT PRIMARILY DUE TO COST? IT IS A DOUBLE-SIDED SIGN. AND THIS, THE PARTICULAR, THE SPECIFIC LOCATION WE HAVE SHOWN IS ADDRESSING, UH, THE WALKERS AND DROP OFF RIGHT AT THE MAIN ENTRY AS WELL AS KIND OF THE SECONDARY PICKUP AND DROP OFF AREA, WHICH IS, UM, BACK TOWARDS, UH, THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE. AND SO IT'S ADDRESSING WALKERS COMING FROM KIND OF ALL DIRECTIONS. AND THAT WAS WITH INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT, UH, THIS LOCATION AND GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT IS DOUBLE-SIDED AND IT'S SO THAT PEOPLE WALKING ON THE INTERIOR OF THE CAMPUS CAN SEE THE BACKSIDE OR I GUESS WOULD MOVE THE KIND OF NORTH SIDE OF THE SUN, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES. OKAY. INTERESTING. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER REELL? UM, LET'S SEE. SO IT'S QUESTION AND A BIT OF DISCUSSION AS WELL. WE WERE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER SCHOOLS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US. UH, WOODROW BEING ONE, NORTH DALLAS BEING ANOTHER. UM, WOODROW I BELIEVE HAD A HISTORIC SIGN IN THE FRONT OF IT THAT REMAINED, UM, AND IT BASICALLY LIKE A, A BULLETIN SIGN THAT'S ON A POLE. UH, LIKEWISE AT, UH, UH, AT NORTH DALLAS. UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE CHARGED WITH IS TO TRY AND FIND, OR IN, IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS IS TO FIND SOMETHING THAT, OR TO, TO PROPOSE THAT SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, COMPATIBLE. UM, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE OUR CHALLENGE IS NOW. I MEAN, I REALIZE THAT THE REST OF, OR MANY OTHER SCHOOLS IN THE ISD ARE USING THE LED UH, SIGN. I DON'T SEE IT IN FRONT OF THE HISTORIC ONES, AT LEAST THE TWO THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US IN THE PAST. SO THAT'S, UM, I THINK WHY WE'RE HAVING, UH, YOU KNOW, ISSUES ON, I'M TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT'S MOST APPROPRIATE. IF THERE WERE, IF THERE WAS A HISTORIC SIGN HERE AND, AND IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THERE IS, THEN THAT ONE WOULD DEFINITELY STAND. AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S AS BRIGHT AS AN LED SIGN, WE MIGHT FIND ANOTHER PLACE THAT'S MORE, UM, UH, SUBDUED. UH, I MEAN, YES, YOU WANT THE INFORMATION TO BE READ, BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, YOU WANT IT TO, TO DEFINITELY, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT BE OBTRUSIVE. SO I DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS BEYOND THAT OTHER THAN TO SAY WE, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD, UH, SUGGESTION AT THE MOMENT. UH, I CAN JUST ADD THAT THE EXISTING SIGN IS NOT HISTORIC. UM, AND THE LED OF COURSE, DURING THE DAYLIGHT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, A NUISANCE. UM, BUT WITH THE DISTRICT BEING WILLING TO TURN IT OFF AT NIGHT, I THINK THAT WOULD, UM, HELP ALLEVIATE MOST OF THE CONCERNS OF THE, OF THE BRIGHTNESS OF AN LD SIGN. ALRIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE A LOOK? MADAM CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER REEVES IN THE ORDINANCE FOR LIPSCOMB. DOES THE PARKING LOT AREA, UH, PART OF THE, THE LANDMARK CRITERIA OR NOT? I DIDN'T SAY QUESTION FOR STAFF OR YEAH, FOR STAFF. [02:45:02] UM, COULD YOU, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. COULD YOU REPHRASE THAT? YES. IT'S THE PARKING LOT AREA INCLUDED IN THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION. YEAH, THE LANDMARK. THIS IS NOT AN INDIVIDUAL DESIGNATION, IT'S PART OF THE GENIUS HEIGHTS, UH, DISTRICT. OH, OKAY. SO EVERYTHING ON THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN OKAY, , I, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. UH, OKAY. I HAVE COMMISSIONER PEL, COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER AND . NO, GO AHEAD. I, I I'LL WAIT. NO PROBLEM. MR. ROTHENBERGER. OH, I DON'T HAVE COMMISSIONER, BUT GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON , HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? I KNOW THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AND I DO KNOW THAT THAT SCHOOL IS VERY IMPORTANT. UH, THOSE OF YOU THAT MAY NOT KNOW THAT THE JUNIORS HEIGHTS S TOOK IT OVER, IT WAS KIND OF AN INNER CITY SCHOOL THAT WAS ON THE WAY OUT AND THEY BUILT IT BACK AND THEY'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT SCHOOL. IS THERE ANY INFORMATION FROM THE PTA OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT OF THE SIGN? IS, IS SOMETHING THEY WANT DO? MY, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE SBDM, WHICH IS A SITE-BASED DECISION MAKING GROUP, UM, HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS DISCUSSION AND HAS SUPPORTED IT IN PARTICULAR ITS LOCATION SO THAT IT CAN BE SEEN, UM, FROM KIND OF THE FRONT AND THE BACK, IF YOU WILL, AS UH, PARENTS AND STUDENTS ARE APPROACHING THE, THE ENTRIES AND EXITS. THANK YOU. MOTION POLICY? I HAVE A MOTION. THANK YOU. IN REGARDS TO DISCUSSION ITEM 4 5 8 0 1 WORTH STREET, COA 2 5 1 4 6, I MOVE TO APPROVE, UM, AS THE, UM, THE APPLICATION THAT SUBMITTED OR THE FINDING OF FACT THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 3.5, THE STANDARD OF THE CITY CODE SECTION FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING. AND THAT THERE IS, UH, NO REASON TO BELIEVE THIS WILL HAVE A HARMFUL IMPACT ON THE DISTRICT DEADLINE. SECOND, OUR SECOND CAME FROM COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA. THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. NO DISCUSSION. YEAH, I APOLOGIZE. UM, IN REGARDING, UH, THAT WAS FOR REQUEST NUMBER ONE REGARDING REQUEST NUMBER TWO TO, UH, APPROVE HER HERSELF, MR. ROTHENBERG. RIGHT. WANTED TO GET TO DISCUSSION. UH, I'VE DEALT WITH THESE PERSONALLY IN MY WORK. UM, I WOULD HAVE SEVERE CONCERNS ABOUT ALLOWING IT TO BE PLACED FACING RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE STREET. UM, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S DISCUSSION OF WHETHER IT TURNS OFF AT NIGHT AND PUTTING TIMERS ON IT NEVER HAPPENS. OKAY. I'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS. UM, SO, UM, THERE'S ALWAYS GREAT INTENTIONS BY DISD AND ALL OF THAT. UM, I'VE DEALT WITH THIS WITH OTHER ISDS AND, AND IT HAS NOT PANNED OUT. SO I'VE CONCERNS WITH C-E-V-M-S TYPE SIGNS IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS IN GENERAL. UH, I THINK A MONUMENT SIGN TO LET THE NEIGHBORS AND THE AREA AND PEOPLE PASSING BY AND, AND PEOPLE COMING TO THE CAMPUS KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IS VERY IMPORTANT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, MY ONLY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT WOULD BE THAT IT BE CONSIDERED TO BE PERPENDICULAR TO THE STREET. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I WOULD SUPPORT THIS MOTION, UH, IF FACING ACROSS THE STREET IS KIND OF PECULIAR TO ME. AND THE INTERIOR FACING SIGN ALSO IS KIND OF ODD. YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU ARE. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY NEED A FLASHING SIGN FACING THE INTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY. ALRIGHT. I I I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM THE ARCHITECT BEFORE DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT TO ACCEPT THAT. OKAY. I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A REASON OR SOMETHING THAT THEY DISCUSSED THAT WAS DRIVING THAT DECISION. WELL HE IS ALREADY EXPLAINED TO US THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY THE SUGGESTION OF SOME OF THE LOCAL GROUPS THAT THAT WAS THE BEST PLACE FOR IT BECAUSE THERE'S SOME PLACE BACK THERE, YOU SEE IT. BUT ANO HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF WE SUGGESTED TURNING IT WOULD BE PERPENDICULAR TO ? I THINK THAT IT WOULD, RIGHT? I THINK THAT, UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE, I THINK THAT WOULD RIGHT. I'M AFRAID YOUR CONNECTION IS LOSING SOMETHING THAT WE COULD TALK TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT AND MAKE SURE THAT STILL MEETS THE NEEDS AND THEY ARE, UM, OPEN TO THAT. I, UH, THINK THAT WOULD BE A COMPROMISE. OKAY. WHEN YOU GET, IT LOOKS BETTER NOW. COULD YOU SAY EVERYTHING AGAIN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T THROUGH YOU? OH, OKAY. YEAH, I THINK MY CONNECTION FALTERED THERE. UM, I THINK THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TALK TO THE DISTRICT AND THE COMMUNITY ABOUT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE GET BOTH OF THEIR APPROVALS. 'CAUSE WE'RE JUST OBVIOUSLY REPRESENTING THE DISTRICT AND THEY'RE NOT HERE TODAY. UM, BUT IF WE COULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION THAT THAT COULD BE A COMPROMISE, UH, WORTH DISCUSSING. OKAY. [02:50:01] THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SPEL, DO YOU WISH TO AMEND IT OR NOT? NO. YOU DO NOT WISH TO? OKAY. NO, HE, HE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO TOUCH BASE WITH THE ISD FIRST. HE DOESN'T WANNA MAKE, I MEAN, IF THEY WANNA CHANGE THE ORIENTATION AFTERWARDS, I WAS ALREADY SPEAKING TO SOMEBODY CONCERN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD, WHICH ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA HAVE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH IT AS OPPOSED TO . SO I I WOULD JUST LEAVE IT WAY THIS DOWN SO, OH, WE CAN COMMENT IF THEY YEAH. OR THE COMMENTING. SO COMMENT IF, IF YOU WISH, COMMENT, COMMENT. YEAH, GO AHEAD AND COMMENT. I, UM, UM, AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BERGER ABOUT, UM, IT BEING PERPENDICULAR. I THINK THOSE ARE GOOD COMMENTS AND I THINK THAT'S MORE TYPICAL THAN NOT, UNLESS IT'S A NON-ED MONUMENT SIGN. UH, AND I FULLY, UH, FULLY AGREE WITH HIS STATEMENTS. UM, SO I'M ON BOARD WITH THAT, THAT DECISION. SO I WOULDN'T BE SUPPORTING THIS AS, UM, AS UH, SHOWN AND AS, UH, THE MOTION MADE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND OF COURSE, IF WE WERE TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE, UM, THEN THAT GIVES 'EM THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND COME BACK. I KNOW THAT MEANS A DELAY AND NO ONE EVER LIKES A DELAY IN THEIR DEFENSE. COMMISSIONER OFFIT? YES. UH, I'M GONNA BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AS MADE FOR MULTIPLE REASONS. ONE, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS THAT HAS TO HAPPEN IN TERMS OF THE PARENT INPUT WITH DISD. ANYTIME SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS, UM, AND THE SPOKESMAN JUST KIND OF BRUSHED OVER IT, BUT THERE IS BOTH NEIGHBORHOOD AND PARENT INVOLVEMENT IN THAT DECISION. UH, HAVING THAT TO WHERE ABSOLUTELY THE MOST PEOPLE CAN, IF NECESSARY INFORMATION, UH, WHETHER IT'S ACTIVITIES, WHETHER IT'S SCHOOL CLOSING, WHATEVER BECOMES CRITICAL, UM, TO NOT ONLY PARENTS BUT THE NEIGHBORS IN A SCHOOL NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I SAY THAT LIVING JUST FOUR BLOCKS FROM , SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION IS MADE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MR. CHEN. UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I SUPPORT THE SIGN, I'M ASKING FOR IT BEING TURNED 90 DEGREES BECAUSE YES, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INPUT, BUT I'M WONDERING IF THE RESIDENT ACROSS THE STREETS HAD ANY INPUT. SO, 'CAUSE THEY'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT MR. ANO? DO YOU KNOW IF THE RESIDENTS, THE PEOPLE WHO IT WOULD SHINE AT? I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. I DO NOT, I DO NOT KNOW IF THEY HAVE OR NOT. I'VE BEEN, UH, ENGAGED AT MORE OF A PERIPHERAL LEVEL, SO I'M NOT THAT ENGAGED TO KNOW THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL. A QUESTION THEN THAT I HAVE FOR YOU, WHAT WAS THE CONVERSATION WITH DISD LIKE IN TERMS OF WHEN, BECAUSE IT WAS, THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY, RIGHT? YOU TURNED IT, UM, IN RESPONSE TO WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAID. SO WHAT WAS DI'S RESPONSE AT THAT TIME? UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS JUST THE, AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN AT THE SAME TIME, BUT, UH, WE ARE DOING IN ADDITION TO JOIN THE ORIGINAL BUILDING AND THE GYMNASIUM AND CAFETERIA BUILDING, WHICH IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE. AND SO THAT BECOMES, UM, A VERY MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT ENTRY POINT AND PICKUP POINT THAN IT HAS EVER BEEN BEFORE. OH, HERE WE GO. I'M WAITING TILL WE GET TO THE SITE DRAWING. THIS ONE WORKS GREAT. SO ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE, THE SCREEN IN THAT BLUE ZONE THAT IS AN ADDITION, CONNECTING THE TWO BUILDINGS INTO THE LEFT OF THAT BLUE BOX IS A PORCH. SO THERE'S STAIRS AND RAMP GOING UP TO THAT AND THAT'S GONNA BE A VERY SIGNIFICANT KIND OF ENTRY AND PICKUP POINT FOR PARENTS AND STUDENTS. SO WE'VE LOCATED THE SIGNS SUCH THAT IT'S VISIBLE FROM THAT SECONDARY ENTRY AS WELL AS THE PRIMARY CIRCULATION ALONG WORTH STREET TO THE NEW MAIN ENTRY. OKAY, SO I'M, I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE AMENDING MY, MY MOTION. I THINK IF THERE'S ENOUGH WILL IT CAN BE VOTED DOWN. AND WHILE I UM, CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND, UM, AND, AND RESPECT THAT AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE, I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE LANDMARK COMMISSION TO BE MAKING ANY DETERMINATION ABOUT HOW LIGHT AFFECTS SURROUNDING RESIDENTS WHEN I DON'T THINK THIS NECESSARILY HAS TO DO WITH, WITH WHAT FALLS UNDER OUR PURVIEW. THAT'S, THAT'S MY OPINION IN THAT CASE ACTUALLY. WELL, I GUESS WE SHOULD VOTE ON IT FIRST. WE HAVE ESTABLISHED PREVIOUSLY THAT IT IS UP TO OTHERS WITHIN THE CITY TO DETERMINE [02:55:01] IF L IS GOING TO BE INTRUSIVE TO NEIGHBORS BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO, ALRIGHT, SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE OUGHT TO CALL FOR A VOTE ON THIS AND THEN WE'LL KNOW HOW, HOW PEOPLE GENERALLY FEEL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES, YES. I'M, I DON'T KNOW. SO YES, ALL THOSE SAY NO. NO. OKAY. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO. ELAINE , THERE WAS A CHORUS OF NOS AND A VARIETY OF VOICES. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE GO. DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY, UH, DISTRICT TWO AND I SAID YES, I'M SORRY. DISTRICT TWO, DISTRICT THREE. COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN? YES. DISTRICT THREE COMMISSIONER. I'M SORRY. DISTRICT FOUR COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? YES. DISTRICT FIVE. COMMISSIONER AFI? YES. DISTRICT SIX COMM COMMISSIONER OSA? YES. DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER. SPELL DISTRICT NINE. COMMISSIONER RENO? YES. DISTRICT 11. COMMISSIONER GABE? YES. DISTRICT 12 COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER? NO. DISTRICT 13 COMMISSIONER PRE NO. DISTRICT COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? NO. UH, COMMISSIONER REEVES? NO. AND COMMISSIONER CUMMINS. A YESES. SO YESES HAVE CARRIED, THEREFORE THIS MOTION IS WHAT CARRIES UH, I WILL MENTION THAT IN GENERAL I THINK THE NEIGHBORS CONSIDER LIPSCOMB TO BE, UH, THE LEADERSHIP OF LIPSON AND THE STAFF TO BE VERY, UM, FRIENDLY TO THEM AND WORKING WITH THEM ALL THE TIME SO THAT IF THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET HAVE NOT BEEN ASKED YET AND THEY SUDDENLY DON'T LIKE THE SIGN AND THAT IT DOESN'T TURN OFF AT NIGHT, THEY COULD PROBABLY JUST CONTACT THE STAFF AND BE ABLE TO GET IT TURNED OFF. ALSO, WE SHALL GIVE THEM MR. CHRIS SANTO'S PERSONAL CELL PHONE NUMBER SO THAT THEY MAY CALL HIM AT ANY HOUR. AND UH, NO, WE WON'T DO THAT PART, BUT I HOPE IT PROVES TO NOT BE PROBLEMATIC AND TO BE INFORMATIVE TO BE PARENTS. NOW IT IS 4 0 3 AND WE HAVE SIX MORE THINGS TO DO. WOULD WE BE IN FAVOR OF A BRIEF RECESS FOR THOSE OF US WHO MIGHT LIKE VISIT THE FACILITIES OR DO YOU WANT US TO TAKE TURNS DOING THAT AND JUST PLUNGE ON THROUGH SO WE MAY HURRY FIRST TO SPEAK. WINS. OKAY, WE'RE PLUNGING THROUGH, WHICH MEANS NEXT STEP IS NUMBER FIVE AND MR. POLICY WILL BE HAPPY TO GET THE DISCUSSION. . OKAY, CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF. DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 5 2 3 7 EAST SIXTH STREET, LAKE CLIFF, HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 25 1 16. PARDON ME, THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING FENCE BOARD MATERIAL FROM FRONT GABLE OF MAIN STRUCTURE AND WITH SITE MAIN STRUCTURE AND SIDING TO MATCH ORIGINAL SIDING. FLUSH LEFT FRONT WALL WITH CORNERS, INSTALL WINDOW, WINDOW AND FRONT LEFT WALL AND INSTALL GABLE VENT AND CORE BOLTS. STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE EXISTING FENCE BOARD MATERIAL FROM FRONT GABLE OF MAIN STRUCTURE WITH SIDING TO MATCH ORIGINAL SIDING. FLUSH LEFT FRONT WALL WITH CORNERS AND STILL A WINDOW IN THE FRONT LEFT WALL AND INSTALL GABLE VENT AND CORPORAL BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS STATED 8 4 20 25. THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 4.3 AND 4.4 OF THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING FENCE BOARD MATERIAL FROM FRONT GABLE OF MAIN STRUCTURE AND WITH SIDING TO MATCH ORIGINAL SIDING. INSTALL GABLE VENT AND CORE BOLT BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS. ONE UPDATE ELEVATIONS TWO, REMOVE BLACK LINE AROUND OLD GARAGE DOOR AND THREE ADD WINDOWS FOR FUTURE MATCH EXISTING. UH, SAY THAT . YEAH, SHE'S THERE. I, SORRY. HELLO? UH, NOW I SEE. OKAY. UM, MS. SIMONS, IF YOU WOULD GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOUR, UH, COMMITMENT TO TELL THE TRUTH TODAY. [03:00:01] MY NAME IS EMILY SIMONS. MY ADDRESS IS 2 3 7 EAST SIXTH STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 3. AND I AFFIRM THAT I'LL TELL THE TRUTH. GREAT. WHY DON'T YOU, UM, THREE MINUTES? YES. WHY, UH, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO, UH, WALK THROUGH YOUR APPLICATION FILES. OKAY? SURE. THANK YOU. UM, SO OUR APPLICATION IS KIND OF DIVIDED IN INTO TWO SEPARATE PARTS. UM, SO WE HAVE THE MAIN GABLE PORTION, THE MAIN TRIANGULAR PORTION, UM, ON THE FACADE, AND THEN THE FACADE OF THE CONVERTED GARAGE, WHICH IS ALREADY CONVERTED. UM, ON THE MAIN GABLE PORTION, WE WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THE VERTICAL SIDING THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE OR PLACE IT WITH HORIZONTAL SIDING THAT MATCHES THE REST OF THE HOME AND THEN ADD A GABLE VENT ON THAT PORTION AS WELL. THEN ON THE FACADE OF THE CONVERTED GARAGE, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, REMOVE THE SIDING THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S CURRENTLY FRAMED OUT TO MAKE IT VERY EVIDENT THAT IT USED TO BE A GARAGE. AND OUR GOAL HERE IS JUST TO MAKE THAT PORTION OF THE HOME LOOK MORE IN LINE WITH THE REST OF THE HOME. UM, SO WE'D LIKE TO REFRAME IT JUST SO THAT, UM, THERE'S NOT A LIP, UH, ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH IT. UM, SO IT'S COMPLETELY FLAT ON THE OUTSIDE. AND AGAIN, UM, ADD THE, THE SIDING TO MATCH THE REST OF THE HOME. UM, THEN ON THE GARAGE ALSO ADD A WINDOW AS WELL. AGAIN, JUST TYING INTO THE REST OF THE HOME. UM, AND THEN ON BOTH PORTIONS WE'D LIKE TO TRIM OUT THE HEADERS SO THAT THEY'RE MORE DEFINED. UM, AND THEN ALSO ADD THE CORE BOWLS AS WELL. UM, SO WITH THIS HOME, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF AN ENIGMA TO US IN MANY WAYS, BUT WE CAN'T FIND MUCH ABOUT IT, UM, IN THE RECORDS. AND SO IDEALLY WE'D LIKE THIS HOME TO LOOK EXACTLY HOW IT DID IN 1930 WHEN IT WAS BUILT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. SO OUR GOAL WITH THESE CHANGES ARE TO MAKE THEM MAKE OUR HOUSE LOOK MORE IN LINE WITH THE REST OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, WE HAVEN'T FOUND ANY HOME IN LAKE CLIFF OR ANY OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS WITH VERTICAL SIDING. UM, AND IT'S CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT, UM, ORIGINAL BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S CONSTRUCTED. UM, SO CURRENTLY THE BOARDS ARE WORKED IN BOEING, THERE'S NO, UM, PLYWOOD BACKING BEHIND IT. NO WEATHERPROOFING. SO IT'S JUST OPEN TO THE ELEMENTS RIGHT NOW. UM, SO NO MATTER WHAT WE DO STILL NEED TO REPLACE THE SIDING IN WHATEVER CA CAPACITY IS APPROVED. UM, BUT AGAIN, YEAH, FIXING DEFICIENCIES IS THE MAIN GOAL. AND THEN AS WELL, JUST MAKING THIS HOME LOOK MORE LIKE THE REST OF LAKE CLIFF. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU MA'AM. UM, THERE'S ANY COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER PRESI. OKAY, SO, UM, SO YOU SAID THE HELM IS 1930, IS THAT WHAT YES, THAT'S CORRECT. SHE MOST DCA SAYS 1930S. YES. AND WE DO HAVE, WE FOUND IT NOT IN THE 1922 SANBORN, BUT IN THE 1950. SO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 22 AND 50 IT WAS BUILT. WE SEE IT HERE. UH, ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS ASKED IF THAT LITTLE, WHAT IS SHE'S REFERRING TO AS THE GARAGE WAS ALWAYS THERE AND IT WAS, IT WAS THERE AND YEAH, SO IT SEEMS THEN IF THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1930 WITHOUT THE GARAGE, 'CAUSE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN UNUSUAL TO HAVE A, A ATTACHED GARAGE. AM I OUTTA TIME? WHY NOT , MY TIME IS UP. UM, SO THAT WOULD MEAN THEN PROBABLY IF THAT WAS DONE AT THAT POINT, THEN THE CHANGES TO THE FACADE WERE DONE AT THAT POINT AS WELL AS PROBABLY THE WINDOWS. 'CAUSE THE WINDOWS LOOK TO BE 1950S, UH, WINDOWS ALL AT THAT TIME. SO, YOU KNOW, TO ME THAT'S SORT OF, UM, THAT'S AN UNUSUAL FEATURE AS YOU POINTED OUT, WHICH I THINK MAKES YOUR HOUSE MORE INTERESTING BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GOT A DIFFERENT KIND OF CHARACTER THAN THE REST OF THE HOUSES. AND IT DOES, UH, REPRESENT A PERIOD OF TIME THAT THAT WAS DONE. AND, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S DONE 50 YEARS AGO, IT'S BASICALLY ACHIEVED SIGNIFICANCE IN ITS OWN, OWN RIGHT, UH, WITH THAT SIDING AND THE ALTERATIONS TO IT. SO I JUST KINDA WANTED TO PUT, PUT THAT OUT THERE AS WELL. ANYBODY ELSE? I HAVE A MOTION. THIS IS COMMISSIONER NOOSA. OKAY, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER. OKAY. IN THE MATTER OF 2 37 EAST SIXTH STREET, C OH A 25 0 0 0 1 1 6, I MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO APPROVE REPLACING THE EXISTING FENCE BOARD MATERIAL FROM THE FRONT GABLE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND WITH SIDING TO MATCH ORIGINAL SIDING, FLUSH LEFT FRONT WALL WITH CORNERS, [03:05:01] INSTALL WINDOW IN THE FRONT LEFT WALL AND INSTALL GABLE VENTING CORBELS IN ACCORDANCE WITH PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED AUGUST 4TH, 2025. AND CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS INCORPORATED. YEP, THOMAS. OKAY. IT APPEARS THIS MOTION HAS FAILED TO GENERATE A SECOND. UM, I THOUGHT IT WOULD AND AT THAT TIME I WAS GOING TO MAKE THE COMMENT I'LL, I'LL, I, UH, I SECONDING IS, OH, OKAY. COMMISSIONER FOGLEMAN HAS SECONDED IT. UM, I, I I FIND THE SIDING, THEY'RE NOT, I DON'T THINK THEIR FENCE, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER PRESI THAT THEY'RE AN ATTRACTIVE AND INTERESTING SIDING PROBABLY FROM THE FIFTIES AND CLEANED UP. THEY MIGHT JUST BE REALLY BEAUTIFUL AND YOU COULD BUILD A WALL BEHIND IT AND THEN SOLVE THE FACT THAT YOU HARDLY HAVE A WALL. AND THE CORBELS THOUGH ARE, ARE PROBLEMATIC FOR US BECAUSE THEY ARE A, UM, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE CONJECTURAL, THEY'RE JUST AN IDEA WE HAVE THAT WE THINK FITS ON THAT BUILDING, BUT WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. WE USUALLY DON'T LIKE PEOPLE TO DO THAT, EVEN IF IT MAKES THE BUILDING LOOK NICE, BECAUSE IT'S GIVING A FALSE HISTORY OF IT, IS WHAT WE THINK. SO I TEND TO THINK IN THOSE TERMS THAT MUCH AS WE ALL LOVE FOR THOSE KIND OF HORRIBLE, PERHAPS THEY DON'T GO EVERYWHERE. PERHAPS NOT ON THIS ONE, BUT LET'S SEE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE SAYS. COMMENT TODD, I HAVE A COMMENT. GO AHEAD MR. ANDERSON. IF THIS IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS STILL COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT AND I THINK THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS TAKING A BUILDING AND MAKING IT MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT. IT FITS IN BETTER NOW THAN IT DID BEFORE. YOU MEAN IT WILL FIT IN BETTER THAN YES. THE, THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS CHANGES WILL MAKE IT FEELING IN BETTER THE IMPROVEMENTS THEY'RE PROPOSING WILL MAKE THE BUILDING FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD BETTER THAN IT'S TODAY. IT WAS MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT. OKAY, MR. PREZI. SO, SO IS, UH, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF ON THE COMPATIBILITY. WAS THERE ANY, UH, INFORMATION ON WHY THIS HOUSE WAS BEING NON-COMPATIBLE? WE, I WAS JUST LOOKING THAT UP. WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITIVE, I WAS BACK IN THE, THE NATIONAL REGISTER, UM, UH, NOMINATION. SIXTH STREET WASN'T EVEN INCLUDED ORIGINALLY. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, ANY DOCUMENT THAT SAYS, SO I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE OTHER THAN MY, MY, MY GUESS IS BECAUSE IT WOULD, IT'S YOUNGER THAN THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE. OKAY. AND WE'VE RUN INTO THIS, UH, IN OTHER DISTRICTS AS WELL. I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, TO ME THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITH EVEN WITH THE CHANGES. I AGREE THIS IS, THAT'S NOT FENCING MATERIAL, THAT, THAT'S ACTUALLY VERY DECORATIVE MATERIAL THAT'S USED THE MOST VERTICAL SLATS. AND I AGREE WITH, UM, THE COING, UM, AS WELL. SO I, I WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR THE MOSTLY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, I HAVE A FEW. I CAN'T SEE YOUR LIGHT WHEN IT'S ON BECAUSE OF ALL THESE SIGNS IN THE WAY. , THANK YOU. RAISE YOUR HAND SOMETIMES. SURE. I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT I DID THAT TOO. BUT ANYWAY, UM, NO, I HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH, UH, WITH THE SIDING. THE SITING IS NOT, OR WELL, I, THE HORIZONTAL SIGHTING IS NOT ORIGINAL. NOT UNLESS IT WAS, IT WAS THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1960 SOMETHING BECAUSE THAT'S, IT'S MASONITE, IT'S PRESSED BOARD, UM, WITH, UH, WITH FAKE, UH, WELL WITH ARTIFICIAL, UM, UH, WOOD PANELING, WOOD GRAIN, YES. UM, ALSO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE GABLE THAT'S PER OR THE GABLE VENT THAT'S PROPOSED. UM, THERE'S JUST IS LABELED AS A NEW ATTIC VENT, I WOULD IMAGINE TYPICALLY IN THAT SHAPE. IT WAS, UM, ALUMINUM OR, UH, GALVANIZED METAL, WHICH I BELIEVE IS ON, UH, WHICH IN MY OPINION IS, UH, INAPPROPRIATE, INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE FRONT ELEVATION. UM, I ALSO FEEL LIKE THE, UH, OR AGREE THAT THE CORBELS ARE OUT OF PLACE, UM, CORBELS IN A, IN A WOOD CONDITION AT A RAKE, UM, ON A SLOPE LIKE THIS, I, I, IT DOESN'T, UM, IT'S INAPPROPRIATE. UM, SO THERE, THERE ARE TOO MANY THINGS THAT ARE IT, WELL, EVEN THE, THE PROPORTION OF THE WINDOWS, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, BEING HORIZONTAL. AGAIN, I I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER PRI THAT THOSE ARE LIKELY IN THE, UH, INSTALLING THE FIFTIES OR SIXTIES. SO I THINK THERE'S A BIG QUESTION IS, UH, TO A LOT OF THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES ON HERE. UM, IF ANYTHING, I WOULD'VE SAID THAT THE SOLID WOOD, UM, VERTICAL PANELING IS REAL. I MEAN, IS, IS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, FROM SOMETHING THAT, THAT'S SUBTLE. UM, SO I'M, I'M, IT'S A CONUNDRUM TO ME ON, ON WHAT DIRECTION TO GO. ALSO, THE, THE BOXED, UH, SOFFITS, UM, ARE AT, YOU KNOW, AT THE, AT THE ENDS OF THE GABLES. THAT WAS NOT A PERIOD DETAIL EITHER. UM, SO I, [03:10:01] I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO PROPOSE OR YOU KNOW WHAT TO SUGGEST. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NOT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE AND SEE HOW THIS GOES. ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF, IN FAVOR OF THIS . I'M SORRY IT'S SO LATE. I'M ON A T. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES, YES. ALL THOSE OPPOSED PLEASE SAY NO, NO, NO. OKAY. ELAINE, I ASSUME YOU'RE AWAKE BECAUSE DISTRICT ONE COMM, I'M SORRY. DISTRICT TWO COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY. I SAID NO. UH, DISTRICT THREE COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN? YES. YES. DISTRICT FOUR. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? YES. DISTRICT FIVE. COMMISSIONER ARTHUR? YES. DISTRICT SIX COMMISSIONER HOSA? YES. DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER ACY. DISTRICT NINE COMMISSIONER RENO? NO. DISTRICT 11 COM COMMISSIONER GAY? YES. DISTRICT 12. COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER? YES. DISTRICT 13 COMMISSIONER PRE? NO. DISTRICT COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES. COMMISSIONER RES? YES. YES. AND COMMISSIONER CUMMINS. OKAY. IT APPEARS THAT THE MOTION HAS CARRIED. UM, YES. YEAH. SO MARCUS, MS. A LITTLE TRACK OF IT THERE. SO THE MOTION HAS CARRIED AND UM, STAFF WILL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO FACILITATE THE ATION OF THE PUBLIC. THANK YOU. THANK YOU EMILY. WE'LL BE IN TOUCH. OKAY, NOW WE'RE UP TO D SEVEN. OKAY. DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 7 2 15 SOUTH CLINTON AVE, WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICTS REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION AS CURRENTLY SUBMITTED, BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE BINDING OF FACT THAT THE ADDITION IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE HORIZONTAL OR VERTICAL CHARACTERISTICS, SCALE, SHAPE, AND ROOF FORM OF THE STRUCTURE. THE WORK AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT AND IS THEREFORE INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION 51 P DASH 87 1 11 82 STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G 60 ROMAN FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SEVEN. UM, WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE B SEVEN. OH YES, WE HAVE JEFF MEYERS. LET ME, HAVE WE READ THE TASK FORCE? OH NO WE HAVEN'T. SORRY. THAT SEEMS TO BE UNIVERSAL. TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT THE REAR EDITION BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE COMMENTS, CORRECT. MEASUREMENTS ON SETBACK NOT COMPATIBLE. STRANGE BUMP OUT, NEED TO CORRECT ROOF LINES AND RECONSIDER PLACEMENT PETITION. ALRIGHT, UM, AND OUR SPEAKER IS WITH US. THAT IS JEFFREY MYERS. SIR, IF YOU COULD PLEASE START BY GIVING US YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND SWEARING OR AFFIRMING THAT YOU WILL TELL THE TRUTH. THANK YOU. SO JEFFREY MYERS, I LIVE AT 2 1 5 SOUTH CLINTON, ALLEN AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 8. AND I SWEAR TO, UH, TELL THE TRUTH. OKAY SIR, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. YOU PERHAPS HAVE HEARD SOME OF OUR CONCERNS PREVIOUSLY OR JUST DISCUSS CONCERNS AND JUST TELL US WHAT YOU WANT AND THEN WE'LL ASK A QUESTION. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR THE PATIENCE AS I KIND OF LEARN THROUGH THIS PROCESS. HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH CHRIS GILES, UH, WITH MY WIFE AND MY FAMILY TO TRY TO DETERMINE HOW BEST TO ADD A ROOM AND A BATHROOM ONTO OUR HISTORIC HOME HERE IN WINNETKA HEIGHTS SO THAT WE MAY STAY IN THIS AREA LONGER. UM, AS OUR FAMILY CONTINUES TO GROW AND WE, WE LOVE THIS AREA AND THE HISTORY FOR IT. UM, WE SOUGHT TO ADD THIS ADDITION IN THE SPOT THAT MADE THE MOST SENSE FOR THE LAYOUT OF THE HOUSE, AS WELL AS TO TRY TO KEEP IT AS MUCH [03:15:01] AWAY FROM THE WENTWORTH SIDE STREET TO TRY TO PRESERVE THE SIGHT LINES THERE AND PRESERVE SOME OF THE AREAS OF THE BACKYARD FOR IT. THE BACK OF THE HOUSE THERE. I KNOW THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS KIND OF ABOUT THE DECK OR NOT THE DECK. UM, OUR MASTER BATH BATHROOM KIND OF BACKS UP AGAINST THAT DECK AREA AND BEDROOM WITH THAT VERSUS THE LAUNDRY ROOM ON THE OTHER SIDE. THAT'S KIND OF MUCH EASIER AND CREATES A LITTLE MORE NATURAL FLOW TO ADD A ROOM IN A BATHROOM FOR IT. SO VERY, UH, APPRECIATIVE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS AND, AND POSSIBLY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW WE COULD ADJUST THAT, UM, TO BETTER, BETTER FIT THE, THE LINES OF THE HOUSE FOR IT. CHRIS, OUR ARCHITECT WE'RE WORKING WITH, UNFORTUNATELY COULDN'T MAKE THIS. I KNOW HE COULD ADDRESS SOME OF THE SETBACK COMMENTS THAT I BELIEVE HE BELIEVES ARE THE CORRECT MEASUREMENTS FOR IT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND NOW WE WILL HAVE, UM, QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS WHO ASK QUESTIONS. WE WAKE UP, WE'RE TRYING NOT SO MUCH QUESTIONS, BUT MORE OBSERVATIONS AGAIN SO THAT THE, THE REST OF THE COMMISSION CAN, UM, CAN TAKE THESE, UH, ITEMS INTO ACCOUNT. UM, SO THE, THE PLACEMENT OF THE HOME OR RATHER OF THE ADDITION IS AGAINST A A OR IS UP A, UM, IT'S WITHIN THE SETBACK. UH, I BELIEVE IT'S A FIVE FOOT SETBACK. UM, SO IT DOES MEET THE, UM, UH, ANY SETBACK REQUIREMENT. UM, I WAS, IT WAS MY ASSUMPTION AND, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE, UM, THE OWNER IS, IS SAYING THE SAME THING WITH THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO PRESERVE AS MUCH LIABLE AREA IN THE BACKYARD AS POSSIBLE AND ALSO PUTTING IT, UM, AS FAR AWAY FROM THE, FROM THE CROSS STREET AS POSSIBLE. UM, I ALSO BELIEVE ALL THE PROPORTIONS, THE, UM, THE LITTLE TRUNCATED GABLE, UH, TO THE REAR IS IN FITTING WITH THE OTHER DETAILS ON THE, ON THE HOME. UM, THE WINDOW SIZES AND PLACEMENTS ARE COMPARABLE TO OTHER EXISTING WINDOWS, UM, AS WELL. UM, ALSO UNDER UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THE, THE ADDITION GOING OFF OF THE MORE UTILITARIAN PIECE OF THE HOME WHERE THE LAUNDRY IS RATHER THAN OFF OF THE MASTER BEDROOM OR MASTER BATHROOM. UM, SO I, I APPRECIATE THE PLACEMENT OF, OF, UH, OF THE ADDITION. I UNDERSTAND TOO THOUGH THAT IT'S NOT IN THE, THE PROPORTIONAL BEST PLACE OF THE, THE MASS OF THE HOME, UNFORTUNATELY THAT THE HOME WAS PLACED, UM, ON THE, ON THE SOUTHERN, UH, PROPERTY, UH, BOUNDARY RATHER THAN ON THE NORTHERN ONE TO HELP PRESERVE MORE YARD. UM, SO ANYWAY, I, I UNDERSTAND WHY THINGS WERE DONE THE WAY THEY WERE. THAT MAKES SENSE. AND I, I DO NOT YET KNOW MY OPINION ON THIS PARTICULAR EDITION. IT IS ODD LOOKING DOWN AT THE PLAN, BUT NO ONE BUT US WILL EVER SEE IT THAT WAY. STANDING FROM THE STREET, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THE HOUSE GOT WIDER AT THE BACK. MAYBE ALL ANYBODY SEES OTHER THAN PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE FOR ALL WE KNOW, BUT IT IS DIFFERENT. COMMISSIONER PERI, UH, I AGREE THAT THE PROPOSED EDITION I THINK IS BETTER WITH THE, UM, LIKE THE, THE JERKING HEAD ROOF THERE, , , UM, ON IT. I THINK THAT MATCHES BETTER WITH ALISON AND I, I AGREE THAT IT'S SO FAR BACK AND I THINK IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD PLANT SOME VEGETATION IN FRONT OF IT OR SOMETHING IF YOU WANT TO HELP DISGUISE IT. UM, THAT, BUT IT'S, IT IS PRETTY FAR BACK INTO THE SITE. UM, I COULDN'T REALLY TELL FROM THE DRAWINGS HOW FAR BACK, BUT IT'S, IT'S QUITE A WAYS BACK. SO I DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH OF AN ISSUE WITH IT. THERE'S ALSO CURRENTLY A FENCE AT THE FRONT THERE, YOU CAN SEE IN THAT KIND OF SIDE BACKYARD VIEWING THAT WILL BLOCK SOME OF THAT SIDE AS WELL. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? I, UM, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? ? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE NOW I HAVE SOMEONE HERE TO QUESTION BEFORE I DIDN'T. UM, WHAT ABOUT THE TREE THAT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE SIDE? ARE YOU GONNA HAVE TO TAKE THAT TREE DOWN AT ALL? NO, WE, WE ACTUALLY WORK TO DESIGN IT, UM, TO WHERE IT STARTS JUST BEHIND THAT TREE THAT ALSO HELPS PER PRESERVE SOME OF THE WINDOW THAT'S THERE AS WELL TO IT. OKAY. I WASN'T SURE 'CAUSE OF THE ROOT SYSTEM AND WHEN YOU START DOING FOUNDATION AND EVERYTHING ELSE. UM, OKAY, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. UH, ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, FOR STAFF. UM, JUST A EXPLANATION MORE ABOUT THE, THE REASON FOR DENIAL OR THE RECOMMENDATION. THE REASON IS MORE SO BECAUSE IT [03:20:01] WAS ALMOST THAT, UH, I DISCUSSED THIS WITH TASK FORCE TOO. WE COULDN'T, WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW IT WAS GONNA LOOK LIKE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED EAST ELEVATION. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT STRAIGHT ON, ARE YOU ONLY GONNA SEE HALF OF A WINDOW? UH, I MEAN IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE IT'S KIND OF AN AWKWARD, DOES IT NEED TO COME OUT MORE OR YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE NOW YOU'RE CREATING A KIND OF A BUMP OUT BUT NOT, AND IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE BEHIND ANOTHER BUMP OUT. SO YOU'LL SEE THE FRONT BUMP OUT AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THAT AT THE END. SO IT, UM, YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH, HOW IT KIND OF CUTS OFF. AND AGAIN, CHRIS WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT TO TASK FORCE SO WE COULDN'T ASK HIM THIS. IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THEY COULD DO TO MAYBE MAKE THAT LOOK LESS, I MEAN, I KNOW THERE IS A FENCE. YES. UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THE FENCE IS GONNA COVER IT. AND SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING STRAIGHT ON, YOU SEE ALL THESE DETAILED WINDOWS IN AND YOU JUST SEE A ONE OVER ONE IF SOMEONE EVER REMOVED THE FENCE OR, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD'VE NEEDED MORE EXPLANATION AT THAT POINT. AND TASK FORCE HAD THE SAME CONCERNS. THE WAY IT'S KIND OF JUST USUALLY YOU SEE THEM AND THEY'RE EITHER GONNA BE FURTHER IN FROM A BUMP OUT THAT'S ALREADY THERE INSTEAD OF CREATING ITS OWN BUMP OUT OR, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WERE NOT SURE AGAIN WHY. OUR QUESTION WAS WHY WOULDN'T YOU JUST MOVE THE DECK? BUT NOW WE KNOW WHY, BECAUSE CLEARLY HE'S SAYING THE MASTER BATHROOM IS THERE. AND SO YOU, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER RENO, THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT AS ARCHITECTS AND HOW IT WOULD FLOW INSIDE. WHEREAS WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT WHAT'S IN THE INSIDE DESPITE US WANTING TO KNOW , UH, IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE, BUT WE CAN'T SPEAK TO ANYTHING OF THE FLOW OF HOW IT GOES ON THE INSIDE. WE HAVE TO ONLY SPEAK TO HOW HOW'S IT GONNA LOOK WHEN YOU PASS BY IT. WOULD YOU OR THE PEOPLE I, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE TASK FORCE WOULD'VE THOUGHT, BUT IF IT WERE THE SAME WINDOW WITH THE SAME DETAILING, MAKE A DIFFERENCE MAYBE. AND UH, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IF WE WOULD'VE KNOWN MORE, AND I MEAN, DOES IT NOT LOOK LIKE THE WINDOW IS CUT IN HALF TO YOU? IT MAY. WELL YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER WITH FACADE DRAWINGS, THEY'RE DRAWN IN A WAY THAT YOU WILL NEVER SEE IT AS A HUMAN BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE ALL SIDES OF IT AND FENCE. AND IF YOU'RE STANDING IN FRONT OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME. YES, I UNDERSTAND. AND I'M SURE THERE'S A SIDE FENCE ON THERE. THERE IS A SIDE FENCE AND THERE'S PROBABLY ODD BUMP OUTS THAT, AND I, I ALSO WASN'T SURE ABOUT THE TREE 'CAUSE NOBODY MENTIONED THE TREE, BUT IT'S RIGHT THERE. AND WE DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY'RE TAKING DOWN THE TREE OR NOT. 'CAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S A RED, RED FLAG IF THEY'RE GONNA REMOVE A TREE, A OLD ONE LIKE THAT. WELL, IF I CAN ASK MR. MYERS, WOULD YOU CONSIDER CHANGING THE WINDOW TO HAVE THE SAME FORMATION AS THE ONES ON THE FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE? THAT IS WHERE IT'S GOT THE FOUR VERTICAL PANES ON TOP OF A ONE SINGLE PANE? YES, WE WOULD. AND THOSE ARE ACTUALLY NEWER WINDOWS THAT WERE REPLACED SOMETIME BEFORE WE MOVED IN. SO WE COULD, WE COULD ALIGN TO THOSE, BUT USUALLY ALL THE WINDOWS KIND OF MATCH ON A FRONT FACADE AND IT IS SORT OF NOW THE FRONT FACADE PART OF IT. GO WAY BACK, . OKAY. ALL RIGHTY. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION. GO AHEAD. UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 7 2 15 SOUTH CLINTON AVENUE, ALSO KNOWN AS C COA 2 5 1, 1 1, UM, THAT WE APPROVE THE SUBMISSION AS OR APPROVE THE APPROVE THE ITEM AS SUBMITTED. UH, I I I WOULD ASK COULD WE CHANGE IT TO MAKE THE WINDOW CONFORM TO THE FRONT? YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT. YEAH. COULD YOU MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT THE NEW WINDOW CONFORM TO THE OTHER FRONT FACING WINDOWS IN ITS DESIGN OF BEING FOUR OVER ONE? I'LL MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT THE YOU CAN'T, HE CAN ONLY HE CAN . WE'RE ASKING HIM. SHE JOINS ME IN ASKING YOU TO DO THIS . NO, BUT I, BUT I SECONDED IT. YEAH, SO, SO YOU APPROVE BUT COMMISSIONER RENO HAS TO OR NOT HAVE TO, HE'S STILL THINKING ABOUT IT. HE'S THINKING COMMISSIONER RES WAS THE SECOND. SECOND. UM, OKAY. THE, I JUST WANTED TO POINT THIS OUT TO, OR THE REASON I WON'T BE ADDING THAT, UM, TO THE . UM, SO THE ONLY FOUR WINDOWS ON THE ENTIRE HOUSE THAT ARE THE FOUR OVER ONE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ON [03:25:01] THE VERY FRONT FACADE. IT IS A VERY LONG HOUSE COMPARED TO ITS PROPORTION OF, ITS OF THE WIDTH. ALL THE OTHERS ARE ONE OVER ONE. IN FACT, ON BETWEEN THOSE FOUR ELEVATOR, FOUR WINDOWS ON THE FRONT. OH, . YEAH, THERE ARE ANOTHER, UH, OKAY. I BELIEVE YOU, THERE'S A LOT OF WINDOWS. THERE'S ABOUT SIX OR SIX MORE WINDOWS. THERE'S A LOT ONE OVER ONE BETWEEN ONE. OKAY, FINE. AND THERE'S A FENCE . OKAY, FINE. UM, SO I'M GONNA LEAVE IT AS THIS. ALL RIGHT. SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ARE WE BOTH, I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, WHICH ROOF DESIGN THE CLIP GABLE OR THE REGULAR GABLE? BECAUSE THERE'S TWO THAT MADE TWO PROPOSED ROOF SAMPLES OR, UM, AS FAR AS I COULD TELL THE, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE, UM, THE ADDITION ON FROM THE FRONT ELEVATION, IF YOU, IT IS CLIPPED, UM, THAT'S WHY YOU GET THE DOUBLE OR RATHER A LINE THAT'S PAR PARALLEL WITH THE GROUND AND THEN, AND THEN RUN RUNNING WITH THE SLOPE TO THE ROOF. UH, BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE THAT FULL GABLE. OKAY. RIGHT. SO, SO THE CLIFF BURDEN? YES. ALRIGHT, SO CALLING FOR VOTE ALL VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED PLEASE SAY NO? NO. DID SOMEONE SAY NO? I SAID NO. JIM ANDERSON. OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. BUT I BELIEVE THE MOTION HAS CARRIED WITH THE MAJORITY. SO GO FORTH AND, AND DO YOUR WORK, SIR. AND I WISH YOU WELL ON YOUR HOUSE. THANK YOU ALL. WE ARE NOW UP TO DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER NINE. NUMBER NINE. OKAY. AND BEFORE I DO THAT, APPLICANT HAS BROUGHT, OKAY, I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ IT IN CHRISTINA PRESS ON BEHALF OF STAFF, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 9 2 19 NORTH WILLAMETTE AVE, WINKA HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 25 1 5 3 REQUESTS. NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE. REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL WOOD PORCH RAILINGS AND REPLACE AND REDESIGN PORCH STEPS AND WALKWAY ON THE FRONT PORCH. STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWING AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED DATE FOR 2025. THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION 51 P DASH 87 1 11 A TWO. THE STANDARD IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING STAFF REQUEST. STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO, THAT THE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL WOOD PORCH RAILINGS AND REPLACE AND REDESIGN. UM, UH, OKAY, UM, , REPLACE AND REDESIGN PORCH STEPS AND WALKWAY ON THE FRONT PORCH. BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION 51 P DASH 87 1 11 A 11 A. THE STANDARDS DENSITY CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTINGS TASK FORCE. SO LONG AS . OKAY. TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE AND RELOCATE WINDOWS. WE DO NOT WITHOUT PREJUDICE. COMMENTS NEED ELEVATIONS WITH WINDOWS. OH, NOPE. I THINK YOU'RE READING, I THINK YOU'RE READING THE WRONG ONE. WE'RE THIS IS NOT NINE. THAT WOULD EXPLAIN WHY . IT'S BAD HOUR TODAY FOR MOST, YES. SORRY. TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION BE APPROVED. NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL WOOD PORCH RAILS BE APPROVED. THE STRUCTURE IS MORE LIKELY TO HAVE HAD RAILING AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE THAN A DU BIKE. SUGGESTIONS MAKE TOP RAIL OF PORCH RAILING IN LINE WITH BOTTOM WINDOW SILL PROVIDED CLOSER PHOTOS OF FRONT PORCH TO DEMONSTRATE A LIVING SPACE. [03:30:01] AND AS A BACKUP OPTION, PAINT RAILING COLOR OF BODY OF HOUSE TO MAKE IT DISAPPEAR. DENIED. CONSIDER PLANTER BOXES. NOTE ONE TASK FORCE MEMBER QUESTIONED THE APPROPRIATENESS IF THERE WAS NO PRIOR PORCH PORTRAYING. AND JUST BEFORE, UH, APPLICANT SPEAKS, I JUST WANTED TO PULL THIS UP. THIS WAS THE SITE PLAN I WAS TRYING TO FIND TO SHOW YOU EXACTLY THE PORTION OF THE ADDITION. IT'S THIS ITTY BITTY SPOT RIGHT HERE. THEY JUST WANT, IT WAS WHEN THE OTHER ADDITION WAS DONE FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY DIDN'T COMPLETED ALL THE WAY OUT . SO IT'S THAT LITTLE GRAY PART IS THE ADDITION THAT WE'RE SPEAKING. IT'S 18 PER FEET. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND WE SOMETIMES ACTUALLY DO ASK PEOPLE TO MAKE AN ADDITION STEP BACK TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IT'S, YEAH, IT'S NEW. SO THAT MAY BE WHY THAT WAS DONE. SOME LANDMARK COMMISSIONER MAY HAVE REQUESTED IT OR THEY JUST DID IT THAT WAY. YEAH, I'M NOT SURE, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN THESE HANDOUTS. WE SEEM TO HAVE A LOT OF PICTURES OF POLES AND CONCRETE. IS THAT TO SHOW US WHERE THEY HAVE FOUND? YEAH, THOSE WERE PRESENTED BEFORE. UH, THE LA AGAIN, THIS HAS ALREADY COME BEFORE YOU GUYS BEFORE REQUESTING RAILING AND IT, THEY WERE DENIED AS WELL AS, UH, THE HORSESHOE BEFORE THEY WANTED TO MAKE IT JUST A STRAIGHT, UH, SET OF STEPS AND ALL THE WAY DOWN WALKWAY. BUT NOW THEY'RE, UH, AGREEING TO KEEP THE HORSESHOE SHAPE, JUST FILL IT AND PUT STEPS THERE. SO THAT'S WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE. AND SO YOU PROBABLY RECALL THOSE PHOTOS FROM BEFORE. UM, AND I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE. YES. WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ISAAC MARTINEZ AND, UM, A NOAH MARTINEZ. YES. LET ME, OH, THERE THEY, OKAY, THERE SHE IS. LET ME PUT, MAKE HER A PANELIST. I THINK, UM, I HAVE NOT SPOKE TO THESE TWO PEOPLE, SO I'M NOT SURE. SHE'S BEEN ON HERE FOR A WHILE ON SHOULDER. YEAH, SHE'S HERE. I JUST, HELLO EVERYONE. THERE YOU ARE. OH, THERE YOU ARE. OKAY, WELCOME. I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU. WE NEED YOU TO BEGIN WITH GIVING US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND PROMISING OR SWEARING TO TELL THE TRUTH. YES, MY NAME'S, I KNOW MARTINEZ AND, UM, 1300 SOUTH POLE STREET, UNIT 2 9 5. UM, OKAY, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. YEAH, WE HAVE YOU AND WE CAN SEE YOU. SO YOU GO AHEAD AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR ANSWER ANY OF OUR CONCERNS YOU MAY HAVE HEARD. I APOLOGIZE. ARE YOU TRYING TO SHARE YOUR SCREEN, MA'AM? NO. OH, SHE'S JUST TRYING TO KEEP HER FROM BEING MUTED, HUH? YES, IT KEEPS MUTING HER. UM, YES. UM, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES. OKAY, I'M SORRY. I WILL FINISH MY STATEMENT. UM, I KNOW MARTINEZ WITH OKE RENOVATIONS, OUR ADDRESS IS 1300 SOUTH POLK STREET, UNIT 2 9 5, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 4. UM, AND I CONFIRMED THAT I WILL BE TELLING YOU ALL THE TRUTH. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. UM, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF ISAAC MARTINEZ. HE'S OUR BUILDER. HE COULD NOT MAKE THE CALL. HE WAS HERE. UM, HE HAD BEEN HERE AS WELL, BUT HE HAD TO STEP OUT FOR AN HOUR. UM, SO I'M HERE TO MAKE THE STATEMENT ON HIS BEHALF. UM, SO I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND READ THE STATEMENT. GOOD AFTERNOON. WE'RE HERE TODAY WITH SEVERAL REQUESTS, BUT I'D LIKE TO FOCUS ON TWO PARTICULAR TWO IN PARTICULAR THAT I BELIEVE NEED ADDITIONAL CONTEXT. FIRST, WE'D LIKE TO REINTRODUCE A PORCH RAILING WHERE THERE SEEMS TO BE CLEAR PHYSICAL EVIDENCE ONE EXISTED, ANCHOR HOLES ARE STILL VISIBLE. AND THIS IS THE STYLE OF HOME, ALMOST UNIVERSALLY INCLUDED RAILINGS DURING THE PERIOD. THE SPACING OF THE MARKINGS IN THE PICTURES ALSO GENERALLY LINES UP WITH THE STANDARD TWO BY FOUR BOTTOM WOOD RAIL, WHICH FURTHER SUPPORTS THAT THIS IS AN ACCURATE RECONSTRUCTION RATHER THAN SPECULATION. WE HAD INITIALLY EXPLORED THE OPTION OF LOWERING THE FRONT PORCH PILLARS TO BE BETTER, TO BETTER INTEGRATE THE RAILING. HOWEVER, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO RETAIN THE EXISTING ORIGINAL HEIGHT PILLARS AND SIMPLY INSTALL THE MILLING BETWEEN THEM. OUR INTENT IS TO RESPECT THE HISTORIC FORM WHILE ENHANCING SAFETY AND ARCHITECTURAL CLARITY. SECOND, WE ARE PROPOSING TO COMBINE TWO EXTERIOR STAIRCASES INTO A SINGLE UNIFIED ENTRY. THESE STAIRS WERE ORIGINALLY PART OF THE HOME'S DUPLEX CONFIGURATION, WHICH IS SUPPORTED BY THE LAYOUT AND PHYSICAL STRUCTURE. AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST, THOUGH THE EXACT DATE IS UNKNOWN, THE DATE THE HOUSE WAS CONVERTED INTO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, [03:35:01] WHICH IS HOW IT'S USED TODAY. OUR GOAL IS NOT TO VER THE HOME BACK TO A DUPLEX. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SIMPLIFY AND CLARIFY THE ENTRYWAY TO BETTER REFLECT THE CURRENT SINGLE FAMILY USE WHILE STILL HONORING THE HOME'S ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY. RIGHT NOW, THE TWO STAIRCASES CREATED CONFUSING AND MISMATCHED APPEARANCE AND COMBINING THEM BRINGS THE HOME IN TWO VISUAL ALIGNMENT WITH ITS ACTUAL USE. AND WE BELIEVE THIS IS A THIS IN KEEPING WITH THE INTENT OF BOTH PRESERVATION AND GOOD DESIGN. IN ADDITION, WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE A PORTION OF THE REAR OF THE HOUSE THAT WAS NOT ORIGINALLY. DID WE LOSE HER VOCAL? I THINK WE DID. UM, OH, OH, I'LL, I HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. I'LL KEEP READING WHILE YOU FIX THAT. OKAY. ACCORDING TO HISTORIC SANDBORN MAPS, THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE ENDED AT THE POINT WHERE PROPOSED OR WE'RE PROPOSING TO REESTABLISH. SO I'M GLAD THEY FOUND THIS BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT SURE IF IT WAS AN ADDITION. LIKE I JUST MENTIONED, THE AREA WE'RE ENCLOSING NOW WAS ONCE A PORCH THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN BUILT IN, IN AT THE SAME POINT. SO THIS PROPOSAL SIMPLY BRINGS THE SHAPE OF THE HOUSE BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL SQUARED OFF FORM WHILE CORRECTING PREVIOUS NON HISTORIC CONDITIONS. WE UNDERSTAND THE COMMISSION IS CAUTIOUS ABOUT PROPOSALS BASED ON INCOMPLETE INFORMATION AND WE RESPECT THAT. HOWEVER, IN THIS CASE, WE DO NOT FEEL AS THOUGH WE ARE SPECULATING. WE'RE WORKING FROM VISIBLE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE, ESTABLISHED ARCHITECTURAL PATTERNS AND THE HISTORIC CONTEXT OF THE PROPERTY, THEIR INFORMED REASONABLE INTERPRETATIONS. THE 1975 PLAN DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE PD 87 CLEARLY STATES THAT ONCE A PROPERTY'S UNIT COUNT IS REDUCED, IT MUST REMAIN THAT THAT WAY WE FULLY SUPPORT THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR MORE UNITS, WE'RE SIMPLY RESTORING FEATURES IN A WAY THAT RESPECTS BOTH THE HOLMES'S ORIGIN AND ITS CURRENT CLASSIFICATION. LASTLY, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS, THAT IN PRESERVATION WORK, THERE ARE OFTEN MOMENTS WHERE WE RELY ON CAREFUL INTERPRETATION. WE MAY NOT ALWAYS HAVE PERFECT DOCUMENTATION, BUT WHEN MULTIPLE PIECES OF EVIDENCE POINT IN THE CONSISTENT DIRECTION, IT ALLOWS US TO MAKE WELL-INFORMED DECISIONS THAT HONOR THE INTENT AND INTEGRITY OF HISTORIC, OF A HISTORIC STRUCTURE. OUR HOPE IS THAT THIS PROPOSAL REFLECTS THAT BALANCE RESPECTING BOTH THE LETTER AND SPIRIT OF PRESERVATION. OKAY, YOU'RE WELCOME. SO AT THIS POINT WE USUALLY HAVE COMMISSIONERS ASK THE APPLICANT QUESTIONS. HAVE YOU FIXED YOUR AUDIO? I HAVE. UM, I OKAY. IT'S A SMALL DISCLAIMER. I DO HAVE VERY LIMITED INFORMATION ON ANSWERING. SO IF I, I, IF I CAN'T ANSWER, I WILL, I WILL LET YOU KNOW. ALRIGHTY. COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. YEAH. , I WAS TRYING TO DETERMINE, UM, YOU MAY NOT BE, YOU MAY NOT KNOW HOW, UM, WHEN THOSE, UM, LEMME PUT THAT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. IF THE, THE STEPS LEADING UP TO THE PORCH WILL POUR IN A, IN A DIFFERENT, UM, POURING THAN THE PORCH ITSELF. IN OTHER WORDS, IS THERE A JOINT WHERE IF YOU REMOVE THOSE, THAT IT'LL BE A CLEAN WALL BEHIND IT? I'M AFRAID OF WHEN YOU START TO DEMOLISH THOSE STAIRS THAT YOU'RE GONNA, THEY'LL END UP HAVING TO DO A WHOLE LOT OF PATCHWORK IF IT WASN'T IN FACT TWO PORES. SO, UM, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE WHEN IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS. UM, THE SECOND IS THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF THE, OF THE, UH, STEPS. UH, ONE SHOWS CHEEK WALLS, ANOTHER ONE SHOWS, UH, SORT OF A WATERFALL WHERE THE STEPS ARE FALLING DOWN IN IN THREE DIRECTIONS. WHICH ONE IS THE ONE YOU'RE PROPOSING? I AM SORRY. I'M TRYING TO PUT THAT UP. I DON'T THINK ISAAC INCLUDED THAT IN HIS IMAGES. IF WILL, WILL, YOU KNOW IT IF YOU SEE IT. I HAVE SOME IMAGES. I KNOW THAT, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS WAS CHRIS CHILES AND HE WAS THERE PARTLY FOR THE TASK FORCE AS WELL AS THE OWNER. UH, I HAVEN'T SPOKE TO HER OR ISAAC. THEY'RE PROBABLY BECAUSE CHRIS COULDN'T MAKE IT OR SOMETHING. SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. THAT'S WHY SHE PROBABLY IS NOT SURE. I'LL PULL IT, UH, WHAT, WHAT I HAVE AND YOU CAN TELL US IF YOU KIND OF KNOW FROM OKAY. WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE DOING. OKAY. OKAY. SO I THINK THESE ARE THE MOST RECENT I HAVE FROM CHRIS. MM-HMM. BUT, UM, LET ME SEE IF LEMME PULL THEM UP. THE OTHER ONES AS WELL. [03:40:06] LET'S SEE. SMALLER. OKAY, SO THIS, THESE ARE ALSO MOST RECENT. IS THIS WHAT, WHAT DO YOU SEE COMMISSIONER RUN? THOSE ARE CHEEK WALLS, WHICH JUST THE STAIR RUNNING IN ONE DIRECTION INSTEAD OF YES. AND JUST TO, UH, CLARIFY IN THE STATEMENT FROM ISAAC, HE'S PROPOSING TO PUT THESE COLUMNS BACK. I JUST SAW THEM 'CAUSE I REMEMBERED SOMEBODY POINTED THEM OUT. OKAY. UM, LET ME, YEAH, THERE IS ONE PHOTOGRAPH THAT SHOWS, UM, THAT TOPPING OF THE PORCH. YEAH. PUSHING PAST, I'M TRYING TO THE FRONT RISER OR THE, THE TOP RISER THAT DOESN'T REALLY GUARANTEE THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY POURED INTO THEIR PIECES. NO, BUT UM, I'M TRYING TO FIND ALSO, AGAIN THERE WERE, LET ME OPEN ANOTHER ONE. UM, THERE'S SOME, I'M TRYING TO FIND, DO YOU KNOW WHAT PAGE OR WAS YOURS ONES YOU'RE LOOKING AT OR IN THE DOCKET? NO, IT'S ACTUALLY THE, THE PIECE THAT WAS JUST GIVEN TO US. OH. I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT I DON'T HAVE THAT. YEAH, I MEAN YOU MEAN THIS, THIS PICTURE ON THE FRONT WHICH MAKES IT LOOK LIKE IT'S GOT STAIRS THAT GO AROUND IN A CIRCLE? SORT OF. YEAH. I DON'T THINK I HAVE THOSE BUT THE PLANS, THOSE WERE JUST DROPPED OFF. SHOWS IT, I DIDN'T EVEN SEE WHO DROPPED THEM OFF. I, THEY JUST GOT DROPPED OFF. OH, OKAY. YEAH. SO I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THAT TO SHOW THE, THE PLAN SHOWS STRAIGHT STEPS WITH, WITH KNEE WALLS AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO GO ON RATHER THAN, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THE, THE, UM, THE ELEVATION IS RIGHT. NOT NECESSARILY MATCHING UP. OKAY. SO CLARIFY FOR OUR APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE HERE, WE WANTED, WE ARE ASKING IS IT THE STAIRS WITH THE LITTLE WALLS NEXT TO THE END OF 'EM THAT END THEM AND THEY'RE SQUARE INSTEAD OF THIS IMPLICATION THAT YOU HAVE ROUND STAIRS IN THE FRONT THAT FOLLOW THE ROUND? UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, IS IT THE, THE SECOND TO LAST IMAGE IN THAT HANDOUT YOU OR THAT PRINTOUT YOU HAVE THERE? ARE THOSE THE STAIRS IN QUESTION? YES. SO HERE, HERE WE GO. LIKE ON THESE, DO YOU SEE HOW THE, THE, THESE, THESE KNEE WALLS ARE STRAIGHT? YEAH. MM-HMM . OKAY. I THINK IN THE PACKAGE YOU'RE LOOKING AT, WHICH I DON'T HAVE THE PACKAGE IN FRONT OF ME. UM, ARE THEY, ARE THEY, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN IN THE PACKAGE. WE WERE HANDED OUT JUST AN ELEVATION, WHICH SUGGESTS THAT THEY'RE STEPS THAT GET WIDER AS THEY GO DOWN AND DON'T HAVE KNEE WALLS. OKAY. THAT COULD BE JUST A MISTAKE. THE ONE THAT YOU WERE SHOWING JUST NOW, THIS ONE, THIS ONE YOU'RE SHOWING JUST NOW WE'RE WANTING TO VERIFY. IS THAT WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE? I BELIEVE SO, YES. I, I THINK THE ONES YOU'RE LOOKING AT ARE WHAT WAS PROPOSED TWO, THREE MONTHS AGO. OKAY. AND WE TOLD THEM NO, IT EVEN A STAFF AND TASK FORCE SAID NO, IT HAS TO BE STRAIGHT, YOU KNOW, THERE CAN'T BE THIS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THEY JUST, THEY DIDN'T CHANGE IT BEFORE THEY I SO GAVE IT TO US. THAT'S CONFUSING US. SO YES, THERE ARE MANY ITERATIONS OF THIS ONE . OKAY. BUT WE LIKE THE ONE, IF WE LIKE ANYTHING, IT'S THE ONE THAT'S VISIBLE RIGHT NOW, SO. YES. UNDERSTOOD. AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THERE WILL BE COLUMNS ALL THE WAY UP. YEAH. AND COLUMNS ALL THE WAY UP. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. I, I [03:45:01] I I HAD TO STEP OUT FOR A SECOND. DID WE DISCUSS THE COLUMNS ON THE FRONT PORCH? YES. THEY'RE GOING TO THE, THEY THE, WHAT WE JUST READ IN WAS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO STATE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE THESE HALF COLUMNS. OKAY. THANK, THANK YOU. YES. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? AND IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? OH, COMMISSIONER PREZI. I GUESS THIS IS MORE A COMMENT THAN A QUESTION. YOU KNOW, I KIND OF HAVE A, HAVE SOME ISSUE WITH CHANGING THE WALKWAY AND THE DUAL STEPS 'CAUSE THAT'S A, A PART OF THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE AND WHEN IT WAS A DUPLEX. AND I THINK BY DOING THIS, WE'RE SORT OF, WE'RE ERASING IT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GOING BACK, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE NOW THAT STILL RECALLS THE ORIGINAL, UM, CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOUSE AND THE USE OF THE HOUSE. I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONSTERNATION OF GOING TO, GOING TO THIS NEW, UH, NEW DESIGN OR THE, OR THE PORCH ENTRANCE. MY CON MY CONCERNS EXACTLY WE'RE IT THE HIERARCHY OF, UH, NOT REMOVING ORIGINAL MATERIAL AND HERE WE ARE AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, IT SHOULD BE CELEBRATING THAT THIS WAS A DUPLEX WITH THESE TWO STEPS AND NOT RENEWING THEM IN MY, IN MY THOUGHT AS WELL. SO I HAVE CONCERNS ON CHANGING SOMETHING AND MAKING IT TO WHAT, WHAT IT'S NOT, WHAT IT WASN'T. AND REMOVING ORIGINAL MATERIAL FROM THE FACADE IN THE FRONT. AND I CAN SHARE THOSE CONCERNS. I'D LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT WHY DOES THE OWNER WANT TO GET RID OF HAVING THE TWO STAIRS OR WERE THEY OPEN TO OUR ARGUMENT THAT IT'S PART OF THEIR HISTORY SO WE SHOULD KEEP IT. I BELIEVE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY UM, THEY, IT'S JUST THE HOME IS NO LONGER A DUPLEX. THEY WANNA USE IT WITH THE INTUITION OF IT BEING A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. AND SO I AM UNCERTAIN IF THEY, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR STANDPOINT IS ON, UM, LEAVING IT AS IS. UM, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT WAS THE INTENTION BEHIND IT IS SINCE IT'LL BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THEY WOULD JUST HAVE ONE ONE STAIRWAY. OKAY. I BELIEVE CHRISTINA WAS ABOUT TO REITERATE A POINT SHE MADE BEFORE ON THAT. YES. AND AS WELL AS TASK FORCE WAS IN AGREEMENT. SO I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO. HOWEVER, THAT SHOULD HAVE MAYBE BEEN THE CASE BEFORE THEY TOOK THE TWO DOORS AWAY AND CHANGED IT TO A SINGLE FAMILY THEN CHANGING THE FUNCTION OF IT. SO IF IT WAS OKAY TO TAKE TWO DOORS AWAY, Y YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? BECAUSE THOSE WERE ORIGINAL. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS BUILT AS A DUPLEX. BUT NOW SOMETI POINT IN HISTORY, IT'S BEEN ALLOWED TO BECOME A SINGLE FAMILY TAKING AWAY THE ORIGINAL TWO DOORS AND THE LAYOUT. SO NOW IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY AND NOW YOU HAVE TWO STEPS GOING TO ONE DOOR , WHICH MIGHT, WHICH MIGHT EVEN BE A BETTER CASE TO LIKE, THIS IS THE LAST REMNANT THAT THIS WAS A DUPLEX AND ONCE IT'S GONE IT'S, YOU'RE COMPLETELY ERASING THE HISTORY OF WHAT THIS WAS. AND IT MIGHT BE A CASE TO CELEBRATE IT AND ALLOW IT TO BE A LITTLE QUIRKY AND NOT TO WIPE THE ORIGINAL HISTORY OF INTENT OF, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER PEL WOULD LIKE THE WORD IN EDGEWISE. NO YOU DON'T. OKAY, NEVERMIND. SHE DOES NOT HAVE AN EDGEWISE WORD . WELL, UH, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF INTERESTING. 'CAUSE IF YOU, YOU WALK UP TO THE HOUSE AND YOU ASK, WELL WHY, WHY ARE THERE TWO STEPS? AND YOU CAN SAY, WELL, IT'S A STORY ITSELF. IT WAS ONCE A DUPLEX AND NOW IT'S, NOW IT'S A, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOME. I DID GO BACK ON ON GOOGLE AS FAR AS I COULD GO BACK AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE DOORS GO BACK TO AT LEAST, OR THAT CENTER DOOR GOES BACK TO AT LEAST AUGUST OF 2011. MM-HMM . SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN, WHEN THAT WAS ACTUALLY CHANGED OUT OR, YOU KNOW, IT COULD HAVE BEEN THAT THAT WAS AN ORIGINAL DOOR THERE AND THEN THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL, THE CENTER DOOR WAS ORIGINAL AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER DOOR OFF TO THE SIDE WHERE IT SORT OF LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A BLANK AREA UNDER WHAT I'M ASSUMING THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A DOOR OR WINDOW UNDERNEATH THAT WINDOW ALL THE WAY OVER ON THE RIGHT TO KEEP THE SYMMETRICAL FACADE THERE. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY REMOVED THAT AT, AT SOME POINT, SO, ALRIGHT. YEAH, I THINK THE, UM, THE DOWNSIZING THAT HAS OCCURRED IN, IN THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT IS NOT WITHOUT CONTROVERSY AND THE FACT THAT YOU HAD THESE THAT, UM, PROVIDED ALTERNATIVE HOUSING TYPOLOGY THAT ONCE THEY BROUGHT IT DOWN TO SINGLE FAMILY, IT COULD NEVER BE RETURNED TO THAT. UM, AND SO IT JUST STRIKES ME SOMEWHAT AS A, AND TO BE CLEAR, I'M IN OPPOSITION TO THAT POLICY. SO I, I JUST THINK IT'S IRONIC THAT WE TELL THEM THEY CAN ONLY USE IT THIS WAY, BUT WE SURE WANT THEM TO HANG ON AND TELL US WHAT IT USED TO BE, BUT THEY BETTER DAMN NOT ASKED TO DO THAT EVER AGAIN BECAUSE NOW IT'S SINGLE FAMILY . SO I, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF, I FEEL LIKE OUR, THE DESIGN THEN NEEDS TO [03:50:01] GET IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE, UM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF WHAT THE POLICY IS GOING TO BE COUPLED WITH THE FACT THAT, AND, AND I, I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL THE VOTE ON THE DOOR TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. UM, BUT ONCE YOU DID THAT, IT WAS LIKE, WELL I FEEL LIKE YOU, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DOMINANCE ARE PUT IN PLACE NOW YOU'VE JUST GOTTA COMPLETE IT. THIS IS NOT THE SAME ONE THAT CAME BEFORE YOU GUYS THAT YOU'RE THINKING OF THE TWO DOORS THIS WAS TAKEN. I DON'T, WE WE DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT DOWN AT WAS 15 YEARS AGO, BUT I KNOW WHICH ONE YOU'RE SPEAKING TO. UM, I RECALL IT, BUT THIS ONE WAS, YEAH, BUT I, I ALSO DOESN'T, I, IT'S I GUESS OR MATTER OF OPINION, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW IT CHANGES THE USE WHETHER THERE'S TWO STEPS CELEBRATING THE, THE THE ORIGINAL OR, OR NOT. THE, THE, THE USE OF THE BUILDING FOR SINGLE FAMILY IS NOT BEING, UH, UM, COMPROMISED. THE USE OF THIS BUILDING IS STILL THE SAME NOW SINCE IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY. I MEAN, JUST HAVING THE EXTERIOR STEPS HAVE INSTEAD OF ONE DOESN'T COMPROMISE, IN MY OPINION, THE USE OF THE BUILDING. IT, I, I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH THAT. IT'S, IT, IT DOESN'T, THAT'S WHAT'S IRONIC ABOUT IT IS WE WON'T ALLOW ANYONE TO USE IT THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED, ORIGINALLY INTENDED AND DESIGNED. SO IT, IT'S THAT THAT CONFLICT THAT'S OCCURRING IN THAT, THAT'S THE ISSUE. AND IT WAS OBVIOUSLY BASED ON, TO PUT IT NOT SO NICELY A, A PREJUDICE THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING IS ALWAYS BETTER FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD OR THEY WERE TRYING TO AVOID HAVING A HOUSE DIVIDED UP INTO FOUR TO SIX APARTMENTS . SO THAT'S IT. BUT YES IT IS, UM, WE NO LONGER THINK THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES ARE THE ONLY WAY TO HAVE A RESPECTABLE AND PLEASANT NEIGHBORHOODS. YOU WANT SOME SMALLER HOUSING UNITS FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED SMALLER HOUSING UNITS, BUT THIS ONE'S ALREADY BEEN CHANGED AS THE ORDINANCE STANDS. IT CAN NEVER GO BACK TO BEING TWO. AND IT WILL BE UP TO US AS WE MAKE A MOTION AND VOTE ON IT TO DECIDE WHETHER WE THINK KEEPING THIS LAST GRAPH OF EVIDENCE THAT IT USED TO BE A DUPLEX IS IMPORTANT OR WHETHER WE THINK THE, UM, THE OWNER, THE CURRENT OWNER'S PREFERENCE TO HAVE IT HAVE A STAIR THAT MATCHES HOW IT LOOKS NOW IS MORE IMPORTANT. SO IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY MOTION THEY COULD MAKE? IT GOES ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? OH, FULLMAN. OKAY. IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH COMMISSIONER FOGLEMAN? HE'S NOT HERE NOW. OH, OKAY. YOU DID IT. I JUST SAW IT. YEAH, I SAID THAT LEAVE KNOCKED OFF. OH, WELL YOU WILL TAKE CARE OF THOSE COMPUTER ISSUES THEN AND HE WILL BE BACK AMONG US. THERE HE IS. OKAY. STILL WAITING FOR MOTION PERHAPS. COMMISSIONER HOMAN HAD TIME TO THINK. NO, I'M NOT YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THE MOTION, SIR, LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION COMMISSIONER NUMBER? NO. ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION? YEAH. DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER NINE, UH, TWO 19 NORTH WILL AVENUE, ALSO KNOWN AS COA 2 5 1 5 3 THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM ONE AND, UH, ON ITEM TWO, DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE THIS, UH, COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS HAS SECONDED THIS MOTION. OKAY. AND THEN SECOND. OKAY, ANY DISCUSSION? IS THAT THE DENIAL OF ALL OF IT? RAILING STENTS, WALKWAY. I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT THAT. THEY HAVE EXPRESSED THE IDEA THAT SOME, SOME RAILING WOULD HELP WITH THE SAFETY OF THEIR UPCOMING TILE, BUT IF YOU ALLOW THE RAILING, THE STEPS LEAD INTO THE RAILING, SO YOU HAVE TO APPROVE BOTH. SO I, I WOULDN'T SUPPORT THE MOTION. ALRIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THIS OR WOULD IT BE MOST HELPFUL TO JUST MOVE THE VOTE AND SEE WHERE THE VOTE'S GONE? AND I JUST ALSO SAY BEFORE YOU DO THIS TO SPECIFICALLY PUT FINDING A FACT, MY FEAR IS THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THEY'VE COME HERE, SO THEIR NEXT STEP WILL BE APPEAL AND I'LL NEED TO TAKE IT TO CPC. SO IF YOU COULD EXPLICITLY SAY [03:55:01] WHY YOU ARE DENYING WITHOUT PREJUDICE, BECAUSE IT'S USUALLY WHEN WE GO THERE'S SOME KIND OF, OKAY, SO COMMISSIONER RENO, CAN YOU ADD THAT IN FOR THE, UM, IN SUPPORT OF THIS MOTION SO THAT IF IT CARRIES IT WILL BE ARGUABLE. YES. SECOND, YOU SECONDED? UM, UM, YES. UM, WITH FINDING OF FACT THAT, UM, UH, FROM THE ITEM NUMBER THREE OF SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, EACH PROPERTY SHALL BE RECOGNIZED AS PHYSICAL RECORD OF ITS TIME PLACE AND USE CHANGES TO CREATE A FALSE SENSE OF HISTORIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS ADDING CONJECTURAL FEATURES OR ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS FROM OTHER BUILDINGS SHOULD NOT BE UNDERTAKEN. ALL RIGHT, SO I'M GONNA CALL FOR SECOND. SECOND. THE SECOND WAS MR. CUMMINS. OKAY. AND YOU AGREE? ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ALL THAT'S OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION. PLEASE SAY NO, NO, NO. OKAY, WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL. VOTE AGAIN. I DON'T WANNA LET GET BOARD. DISTRICT TWO. COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY. I, I VOTED YES. DISTRICT THREE. COMMISSIONER FOGLEMAN? YES. YES. DISTRICT THREE. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? YES. YES. YES. DISTRICT? UH, FIVE. COMMISSIONER OFFIT. IS COMMISSIONER OFFIT STILL HERE? HAS HE BEEN DROPPED OR LEFT? DISTRICT SIX. COMMISSIONER OSA? YES. DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER. SPELL DISTRICT NINE. COMMISSIONER RENO? YES. DISTRICT 11. COMMISSIONER GAY? NO. DISTRICT 12 COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER? NO. DISTRICT 13 COMMISSIONER FRA? YES. THIS, UM, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES. COMMISSIONER REEVES. COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS. WE HAVE THREE NOS. OKAY. AND COMMISSIONER REEVES DID NOTIFY HER NEED TO DO EARLY FOR A LOCAL MEETING, BUT SHE IS OKAY. SO IT APPEARS THAT THE, UM, THE MOTION IS CARRIED. UH, THAT MEANS IT DOES INVOLVE A DENIAL AND THAT MEANS YOU WILL ADVISE WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL ADVISE YOU MA'AM. AND YOU'LL, AND, AND STAFF WILL ALSO ADVISE THE OWNERS THAT THEY DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL FOR A FEE TO CPC TO SEE IF WE HAVE MADE THIS JUDGMENT IN ERROR. AND OTHER THAN THAT, YOU CAN BEGIN WORK ON THE, UM, THE REAR EDITION PART. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU GO AWAY WITH RIGHT NOW. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. OKAY, NEXT UP AFTER NINE IS EPTEMBER EIGHT. OKAY. DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 8 2 0 3 NORTH ROSEMONT AVE, WINKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CO A 25 1 55. REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE ONE REAR FACING WINDOW ON NORTH SIDE OF MAIN STRUCTURE. REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE AND RELOCATE TWO WINDOWS ON SOUTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE ONE REAR FACING WINDOW ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 8 4 20 25. WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE WINDOW IS NOT AN INTEGRAL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE AND FACES THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY NOT SEEN FROM A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THE PROPOSED WORK THEREFORE MEETS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX CI AA, B-B-C-C-D-D FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTINGS. STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE AND RELOCATE TWO WINDOWS ON SOUTH SIDE OF MAIN STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE. WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT WHILE THE PROPOSED NEW LOCATION FOR WINDOWS IS APPROPRIATE, THE REMOVAL OF SAID WINDOWS FROM THEIR CURRENT LOCATION CHANGES THE SYM SYMMETRY OF THE SPACE, EXCUSE ME, OF THE SIDE FACADE AND WOULD THEREFORE HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE ARCHITECTURAL [04:00:01] FEATURES OF THE STRUCTURE AND WOULD NOT MEET THE C THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX CI, PARAGRAPH BB FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE AND RELOCATE WINDOWS BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE. COMMENTS NEED ELEVATIONS WITH WINDOWS. NUMBER BETTER TO KEEP WINDOWS ALIGNED VERTICALLY. WINDOW X ONE TO REMAIN ONLY REMOVE X TWO NORTH ELEVATION WINDOWS ALIGN UNDER TOP SCREEN. CONSIDER REMOVING THE TRIM BOARD, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DETAILS ABOUT SINGLE SMALL WINDOW X THREE AND Y NEED TO REMOVE. AND WAS IT ORIGINAL? ALRIGHT, WE DO NOT HAVE ONE SIDE OF THE SEAT FOR THIS. NO. SO DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF? IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT, DOES ANYONE HAVE MOTION MR. FURTHER IN THE MATTER OF ITEM EIGHT TO THREE NORTH ROSEMONT AVENUE CO OA 25 DASH 0 5 5, I KNEW THAT WE, UH, APPROVE ITEM ONE, SUBJECT TO STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND DENY ITEM TWO WITHOUT PREJUDICE, ALSO SUBJECT TO STAFF RECOMMENDATION. SECOND ONE. COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, HAVE YOU FURTHER THE DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, THEN WE CAN TAKE THE VOTE ON THE MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ALL THOSE OPPOSED PLEASE SAY NO. ALRIGHT. THE, THE MOTION HAS CARRIED, WHICH MEANS THERE IS A DENIAL AND STAFF WILL PROPERLY INFORM THE APPLICANTS OF THEIR OPPORTUNITIES WITH CT C OR THEIR STANDING INVITATION TO COME BACK TO US YES. FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND WE'D LOVE TO MEET THEM. ALL RIGHTY. D 10. D 10 DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER TEN FOUR ELEVEN SOUTH WINKA AVENUE, MENAH HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 25 1 21 REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A TWO FOOT WOOD PICKET FENCE IN THE COLOR SW 7 0 4 3 WORLDLY GRAY IN THE FRONT YARD. STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL TWO FOOT TALL WOOD FENCE, WOOD PICKET FENCE IN THE COLOR SW 70 43 WORLDLY GRAY IN THE FRONT YARD BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE FENCE IS AT LEAST 50% OPEN IN ORDER TO BE TYPICAL OF PERIOD. IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION 51 P DASH 87 1 11 B TWO CI, THE STANDARDS AND SECRETARY, EXCUSE ME, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 41 DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS PER SE. TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR FENCE AND PAINT COLOR BE APPROVED. COMMENTS SPACE BETWEEN PICKETS NEED TO BE THE SAME WIDTH AS PICKETS AND PROVIDE CHIP PAINT SAMPLE. NO SPEAKER. ALRIGHT. YEAH, THERE IS NO SPEAKER FOR THIS. SO DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR DOES ANYONE WANT TO GO FORWARD? MR. PREZI, WAS THERE A STATED REASON FOR WANTING TO ENCLOSE THE FRONT YARD WITH THE NO, THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. OKAY. WE DO NOT KNOW WHY. MIGHT JUST BE ORNAMENT OR THEY HAVE A SMALL BUT CHUBBY DOG. LOOK, I HAVE A QUESTION, CHRISTINE? MM-HMM . YES. I WAS TRYING TO GO THROUGH MY ORDINANCE REAL QUICK TO DOUBLE CHECK. SURE. HOW IS IT STATED THAT IT APPROVES A PICKET FENCE IN THE FRONT? READ IT RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE THAT AT YOUR QUICK AND READY? I'LL HAVE IT AT MY QUICK AND READY IN ONE SECOND. LET SEE. IT'S LOOKING FOR IT ON THEN TOO, BUT WE'LL SEE. IT IS SECTION ONE. OKAY. FENCES. HERE WE GO. FENCE. OKAY, HERE WE GO. THE FOLLOWING ARE THE ONLY TYPES OF FENCES PERMITTED IN THE FRONT YARD? WHITE WOOD PICKET FENCES AND DARK GREEN. DARK BROWN OR BLACK RIGHT. IRON FENCES. A FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD MAY NOT EXCEED TWO FEET IN HEIGHT UNLESS A TALLER FENCE IS NEEDED TO SATISFY SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING IN FRONT OF NON-RESIDENTIAL USES. SO IT HAS ITS OWN LITTLE PARAGRAPH OF WHAT WAS [04:05:02] GOOD RECOMMENDED. HMM. THANK YOU. YOU ARE WELCOME. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. GO AHEAD. IN THE MATTER OF 4 1 1 SOUTH WINNETKA AVENUE, COA 25 0 0 0 1 2 1. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE APPROVE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION. SECOND COMM. THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA. THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. I WILL CALL FOR VOTE ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED SAY NO. OH. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON IS OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION. YES. WHO, WHO ELSE WAS COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS? ANYONE ELSE OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION THAT WE MUST RECORD THEIR VOTE? ALRIGHT, SO THE MOTION HAS STILL CARRIED AND STAFF WILL LET THE APPLICANT KNOW. THAT LEAVES US WITH OUR CHEERFUL ITEM A, A POTENTIAL NEW DESIGNATION. DISCUSSION ITEM D 11, THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF. DISCUSSION ITEM D 11. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1159 NORTH MADISON AVENUE. IT'S THE WESLEY INN. THE REQUEST IS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER INITIATION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR 1159 NORTH MADISON AVENUE. THE WESLEY INN. THE OWNER IS BI BISHOP MADISON, LLC. ALL RIGHT. I I MAKE A MOTION YOU YEAH, YOU ORDINARILY, BECAUSE THIS WAS, UM, PROPOSED BY COMMISSIONER SHERMAN. WE WOULD ASK HER TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT OF COURSE SHE'S NOT WELL ENOUGH TO BE WITH US. AND I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER OSI DID ASSIST HER WITH PREPARING. YES. I HELPED WITH, UH, PREPARING THE, UM, UH, LETTER THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR THIS PROPERTY. OF COURSE, THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE REVIEWED IT, UH, AND HAS RECOMMENDED, UH, IT'S FOR THE INITIATION OF THE DESIGNATION PROCESS. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, FOR 1159 NORTH MADISON AVENUE, UH, THAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION INITIATE THE, THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION, A PROCESS, UH, FOR THIS SITE. SECOND, AND THE SECOND ON THAT IS COMMISSIONER OSA. MM-HMM . ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AS PER VOTE. ANYBODY NEED TO TALK? COMMISSIONER OSA? NO, I WAS VOTING ALREADY. . OH, VOTING . OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. ENTHUSIASM AND OR SPEED IS IMPRESSIVE. . ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. YES. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. IT IS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. AND SO THE DESIGNATION PROCESS SHALL BEGIN. ALL WE HAVE LEFT IS DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES THEY WANTED TO MAKE TO THE MINUTES AS THEY WERE SENT TO US? UH, OKAY. IN THAT CASE, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM AS IS SO MOVED? WAS THAT COMMISSIONER OSA? YES. YES. AND THE SECOND IS SECOND. THE SECOND IS COMMISSIONER RENO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THE MOTION IS CARRIED. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS FOR TODAY. AND THEREFORE, AT FIVE 14 WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.