* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED. [Dallas Park and Recreation Board on August 21, 2025.] WE NOW CALL THE AUGUST 21ST, 2025 MEETING QUARTER AT 10:02 AM UH, THIS MORNING WE HAVE ONE SPECIAL RECOGNITION. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DIRECTOR JENKINS FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT, I'LL ASK, UH, MR. ACTON CHAIR, MR. NCE, IF YOU'LL JOIN ME. BROOKS, IF YOU DOING THIS RIGHT HERE, MR. BROOKS, I WANT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC SEES YOU, AND MAYBE WE'LL BACK UP JUST A LITTLE. I WANNA MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC AND ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO'S ON, WHO'S WATCHING US STREAMING BE ABLE TO SEE YOU TODAY. ALL RIGHT. AND AT THIS TIME, WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE SPECIAL RECOGNITION. ON AUGUST THE FIRST, 2025, KATHY BROOKS' RETURN FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT AFTER 25 YEARS, YEARS OF DISTINGUISHED SERVICE. WOW. IN 2000, MS. BROOKS BEGAN HER CAREER WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS AS A RECREATIONAL ASSISTANT WITHIN THE CENTER KID CAMP PROGRAM IN ROCHESTER AND PHYLLIS WHEATLEY PARKS WITHIN THE PARK DEPARTMENT. IN 2000, MS. BROOKS WAS SELECTED TO THE POSITION OF OUTOF SCHOOL TIME ASSISTANT AT EDWARD EDWARD J. KEITH ELEMENTARY. AND IN 2019, MS. BROOKS WAS SELECTED TO THE POSITION OF OUTOF SCHOOL TIME SITE LEADER AND ADDRESS SINE ELEMENTARY. WHEREAS KATHY BROOKS DEDICATION AND COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY SHE SERVED WAS EVIDENT IN HER CONTINUOUS EFFORT TO PROVIDE HIGH QUALITY AFTER SCHOOL AND SUMMER CAMP PROGRAMMING BY PROVIDING A SAFE, NURTURING, AND CREATING ENVIRONMENT FOR THE YOUTH OF DALLAS. MS. BROOKS, NOTABLE ACCOMPLISHMENTS INCLUDE CREATING MEMORABLE EXPERIENCES FOR THE YOUNG PEOPLE IN DALLAS BY CREATING RECREATIONAL SPACES WHERE YOU CAN LEARN LIVE, DEVELOP SOCIAL AND EMOTIONAL SKILLS THAT ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE TO CONTRIBUTE AND CITIZENS WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITIES. MS. BROOKS CONTRIBUTION WAS CRITICAL TO THE SUCCESS OF DALLAS PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, AND HER LEGACY WILL BE DEFINED BY HER PASSION AND ENTHUSIASM FOR ENSURING THAT EVERY YOUNG PERSON, REGARDLESS OF CIRCUMSTANCES, HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN RECREATIONAL EDUCATIONAL ACTIVITIES. WHEREAS MS. BROOKS HAS SERVED AS A COMMITTED COLLEAGUE, RECREATIONAL PROFESSIONAL FRIEND, AND AN ADVOCATE WHO WOULD BE, REMEMBER HER DEDICATION TO BOTH AS A MENTOR ROLE MODEL FOR YOU TO EXEMPLIFY, COMMIT COMPASSION EXCELLENCE TO SERVE THE CITY OF DALLAS. NOW, THEREFORE BE RESOLVED BY THE PARK AND RECREATION BOARD AND THE DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY OF DALLAS. THAT SINCERE APPRECIATION OF EXTENDED MS. KATHY BROOK, 25 YEARS OF DEVOTED TAR WORKED SO GENEROUSLY GIVEN TO THE PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS, THAT THE PARK AND RECREATION BOARD COMMENCE KATHY BROOKS FOR HER DISTINGUISHED SERVICE IN WHICH SIR CONTINUES SUCCESS AND HAPPINESS. NOW, THEREFORE, I JOHN D. JENKINS, DIRECTOR AND BEHALF OF THE DALLAS PARK RECORDS DEPARTMENT DO HEREBY EXTEND SPECIAL RECOGNITION TO MS. KATHY BRIGGS. YOU WANNA SAY ANY WORDS? ALL THANK YOU, DIRECTOR JENKINS AND MS. BROOKS. THANK YOU. 25 YEARS OF YOUR LIFE SPENT DEDICATED TO OUR CITY AND OUR FAMILIES AND OUR KIDS. ANTHONY, GIVEN UP FOR, FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR OUR, OUR SYSTEM. UM, MADAM TY, SECRETARY, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES TO AUGUST 7TH, 2025. MR. SLAUGHTER AS A MOTION SECONDED IS MR. NEWMAN. [00:05:02] ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. HAVE IT. WE HAVE TWO ITEMS FOR CONSENT, STANDARDS OF CARE, AND JUDGE CHARLES R. ROSE COMMUNITY PARK. UH, I A MOTION, UH, MS. HASTY SECOND. MR. KAMI, ANY DISCUSSION ON THOSE ITEMS? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYE. AS HAVE IT. NEXT. WE HAVE NO ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, UM, AND WE HAVE NOW THREE BRIEFING ITEMS. ARE WE GONNA GO IN ORDER? UH, YES. PERFECT. SO, NUMBER ONE, CREATING A FINANCIAL, FINANCIALLY SUSTAINABLE PARK, RECREATION SYSTEM TOPIC, AND, UH, CONSERVATION FINANCING, UH, OPPORTUNITIES, UM, BY DAVID O'CONNOR AS WELL. GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MEGAN, DAVID WARD HERE THIS MORNING, BACK AND FORTH BACK TABLE. SO DAVID, UH, MARKUSS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME PART ADVOCATE MARK ORDER, AND, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUING THAT RELATIONSHIP. HE'S GONNA BE GIVING US A PRESENTATION THIS MORNING ABOUT SOME OTHER CREATIVE WAYS FOR US TO, TO THINK ABOUT THE PARK SYSTEM FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE. SO I'D LIKE TO ADOPT DAVID FOR HIS PRESENTATION. GOOD MORNING. YEAH, GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. MUCH OF A PLEASURE. BE SO WE'LL TALK TO YOU TODAY BECAUSE TODAY, BEGINNING TODAY, CONCLUSION SIGNIFICANT. NOW THERE'S THE BOTTOM TWO SMALL SENTENCES, NOT , CONSERVATION. NOW, OVER THE MANY YEARS, THE CASE, THAT CASE THAT CONSERVATION, NEXT, THIS IS OVER ON THE CORNER OF YOU LOOK ON THE VERY FAR RIGHT SIDE, VERY FAR. AND THE 60 ACRES OWNED BY THE SCOUTS SCOUT PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD UP PLAYING FIVE CREEK. THEY GO IN THOSE, THIS PARTICULAR PLACE. AND IN AUGUST AT THAT PHONE RING SEVEN IN THE MORNING OR 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT IN THE MORNING. MORNING SHE CALLED ME, SHE ASKED ME TO COME TO THE MEETING. , THEY WERE, SO THERE WAS A MEETING THAT NIGHT [00:10:01] AND PEOPLE WERE NOT, CAN TELL VERY QUICKLY. SO AFTER, AND REMEMBER . SO I DID. WE, SO, SO NOW THAT WALK THAT WAY, FOUND SOMETHING CRITICAL TO , YOU LOOKED AT IN THE MIDDLE, THE TOP, THERE'S A SOURCE OF LAND THAT CLEARLY BEEN CLEAR. THEIR BUILDING, THERE'S 25 ACRES, THOSE 25 NOW, 250 UNITS OF PORTABLE HOUSING. BEAUTIFUL, GREAT FOREST. THAT'S THAT WAY CLEAR. THE NEXT TIME SOMEONE GETS, THERE'S GONNA BE NO ONE. SO SENIOR HAVE TWO 50 CONSERV. THIS WE FOUND SO BECAUSE OF THAT $1.25 MILLION OF FEDERAL LOAN TOTAL 25 ACRES, TEXAS TAX, RIGHT OFF . AND THEN WE FOUND OUT THAT THE CITY ARMY HAS MONEY IN THE BANK. GO US A NEW WHITE. SO WE WANT THE FOUR ACRES FROM THE COURT. LOOK BLACK, THE SCHOOL THAT SHOWED UP AND SAID COUSIN, SENIOR. SO WE BUY THIS, 10 ACRES WAS 10 ACRES THERE FOR NEW. SO ONE BIKE TRAIL, FEDERAL, STATE, CITY OF BOTH OF THOSE HAVE, THAT'S WHAT COMES. WE SENIOR [00:15:04] SCHOOL WALKS, WE TIE IT ALL TOGETHER AND DO IT TOGETHER. DO RIGHT SENIOR HOUSING, . SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WITNESS, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED BETWEEN DECEMBER AND HAPPENED. LARGE SUMS DEPARTMENT MEANS TO HAVE BIG GOALS, BIGGER DOUBT, WAYS TO DEVELOP BIG PRODUCT, TWO WEEKS, SMALL, SMALL, THOSE SMALL STUFF. IT LEADS TO BIG GOALS, SOME LITTLE , LOT OF SMALL THINGS WE STUFF. BUT BY DOING THIS, WE NEED TO BRING, WITHOUT NAMING NAMES, TRUTH, THE LAST ITERATION THAT , WE NEED TO CREATING A FOUNDATION, CREATING CONVERSATION. FOOTBALL. WE'RE TOO BORED. . SO RIGHT, I TIME, IF WE TAKE, I'VE HAD THE TAKE THE TIME TO DO IT. SO IF A, THIS IS NOT TO CREATE IT'S LONG PROCESS. SO [00:20:03] THREE YEARS. SO WE THINKING IMPLEMENTATION, EVERYBODY , WE WANT TO THAT. SO, AND I WOULD SAY IF THE GUY ON THE BULLDOZER DOESN'T GET THE MEMO, POLICY DOESN'T ALL THE, IS ACTUALLY ESSENTIAL. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, MR. SLAUGHTER, HAPPY NEW YEAR. I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I JUST , YOU KNOW, GO STATEMENTS. UH, WHEN I SEE YOU IN WHAT YOU REPRESENT, I'M AUTOMATICALLY ON YOUR FEET. THANK YOU. WHAT YOU DO FOR THIS TOWN, CITIZENS, YOU, AS YOU HERE ON EARTH. YOU, YOU RUN INTO FANTASTIC PEOPLE AND GOD KNOWS WHAT'S IN YOUR HEART. AND YOUR HEART IS ABOUT CONSERVATION AND YOU MOVE FROM THE TREES. AND NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CITIZENS HOUSING, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR MAJOR PROBLEMS. AND WE SAW THAT RENDITION ABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN REGARDS, THANKS TO US TO HELP DO OUR MIND. SO WHATEVER IT IS, YOU CAN COUNT ON ME IF I'M ON YOUR TEAM PERSONAL AND FOR SIMPLIFI EVERYTHING. I THINK FACT NEED REALIZES WHEN YOU, IF YOU WAS SMARTEST PERSON IN THE ROOM, IN THE WRONG ROOM, LET SAY, LET'S HAVE COFFEE, I HERE REACH YOU AND I WANT TO GO TO MY NEXT STATEMENT AND AND MOVE THERE. WE, WE, WE HAVE SOME SPECIAL PEOPLE. THE AUDIENCE THAT CAME DOWN FROM ANOTHER TOWN OUT CHERRY, UH, LET'S GO IS HER, UH, SHE'S ONE FANTASTIC WOMAN. SHE CAN VISIT US. SHE WAS PART OF THE 18 D ENTERTAINMENT CENTER AND HOPEFULLY SHE DALLAS SYMPATHY . SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO, SIR. GOD BLESS YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. KINS. YOU GOOD? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR, UM, YOUR PRESENTATION. GOOD INFORMATION. WE ARE MOVING ON TO OUR SECOND BRIEFING ITEM, THE WHITE ROCK LAKE ACTIVITIES MANAGEMENT PLAN BY MR. RYAN O'CONNOR. YES. AND WHY MR. CONNOR'S COMING UP, UH, TO THE TABLE. I JUST MAKE SURE THE BOARD, UH, IS AWARE THAT OUR, OUR PARK BOARD PRESIDENT MR. ACK, REQUESTED THIS BRIEFING WHILE WE'RE UNDERTAKING THIS ASSESSMENT. THERE WAS A LOT THIS MATTER HE WANTED. JUST MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WHILE WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS ASSESSMENT, OKAY, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO POINT [00:25:01] THIS OUT. NEXT SLIDE. SO, A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT, UM, AS, AS WE ALL KNOW, UH, WE HAVE BEEN STUDYING WHITE ROCK LAKE FOR DECADES, BUT MOST OF THE STUDY RELATED TO WHITE ROCK LAKE HAS ALWAYS KIND OF BEEN AROUND, AROUND WHAT, WHAT SHOULD THE, WHAT SHOULD THE LAND LOOK LIKE? WHERE SHOULD THE, THAT'S SORT OF THING. WE'VE NEVER TAKEN A REAL LOOK AT WHAT OCCURS ON THE WATER. IS THIS AUDIO? DO I NEED TO, YEAH, THE AUDIO, JUST FOR, WE, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD CONTINUED ISSUES WITH THE AUDIO AND THEY, THEY CAN'T, PEOPLE ON MIC CAN'T HEAR AT ALL. MAYBE IT'S 'CAUSE THAT MIC NEEDS TO BE MUTED, GETTING SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK. MAYBE IT'S, AND THAT WOULD BE MUTED. TRY THAT. UM, SO AGAIN, MAKE SURE THE FOLKS CAN HEAR. SO RYAN, TEST THE MIC. I WANNA MAKE SURE. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT JUST TODAY. IT'S BEEN A YEAR LONG PROBLEM. IT IT, WHEN YOU'RE ONLINE, YOU CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING AT ALL. UH, WELL, ANYWAY, SO WHEN IS, WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF, WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF TIME TO, TO REALLY EVALUATE, OCCURRED AROUND THE WATER. BUT, UH, GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS COMPREHENSIVE, THIS, UH, WHITE ROCK LAKE MASTER PLAN UPDATE, UH, WE THOUGHT IT MAY BE ALSO THE APPROPRIATE, WE'RE LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENS ON WATER FROM A PROGRAMMING PERSPECTIVE. SO, UH, THE COUNCIL MEMBER FOR DISTRICT NINE, UH, REQUESTED THAT WE DO JUST THAT, UM, TO, TO, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE PERMITING PIECE, BUT YOU KNOW, SAFETY ON THE WATER REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES, KIND OF A HOLISTIC PACKAGE OF THINGS SPECIFIC TO THE ACTIVITIES THAT OCCUR ON THE WATER ITSELF. AND AS WE ALL KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF ENTITIES NOT OF WATER ROCK. LIKE WE'VE GOT BOAT CLUBS, WE'VE GOT ROLLING CLUBS, WE'VE GOT CONCESSIONAIRES, WE HAVE A SAILBOAT. SO, UM, AGAIN, THAT, THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE IMPETUS, UH, FOR THIS, UM, POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY. SO, MOVING ON TO THE SCOPE OF WORK. NEXT SLIDE. SO ALONG THE LINES THAT I JUST DESCRIBED, REALLY WANT TO TAKE KIND OF A, A HOLISTIC LOOK AT THIS FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT ANGLES. WE WANNA LOOK AT THE CURRENT OPERATIONS OUT ON THE WATER. WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE GOVERNANCE. UH, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ESTABLISHMENT REGULATIONS FOR ACCESS. LOOK AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PEERS, THE DOCKS, THE RENTAL FACILITIES. TAKE A LOOK AT THE REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES. ARE THERE, UH, ARE THERE ADDITIONAL REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES AS WE LOOK AT THE CURRENT IN FUTURE? NEXT SLIDE. TAKE A LOOK AT THE SAFETY. SO, YOU KNOW, ANECDOTALLY, I'VE HEARD A STORY MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE ROWING GROUPS. THEY'LL SET OUT BUOYS FOR THEIR, YOU KNOW, PRACTICES AND RACES. BUT YOU KNOW, AT TIMES THOSE BUOYS WILL BECOME DIS LARGE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A POTENTIAL PROBLEM FOR THE SAILBOATS, GETTING THE, THE SAILBOATS BOWED UP WITH, WITH THE BUOYS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST NEVER REALLY BEEN A, A HARD LOOK AT WATER SAFETY ACTIVITIES. UM, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE CAPACITY FOR THE LAKE RIGHT NOW? YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TONS OF SLIPS OUT THERE AT THE TWO, AT THE TWO SAILING CLUBS. IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND THAT? IS IT ALREADY AT CAPACITY? UM, LOOKING AT CURRENT AND FUTURE LAKE FACILITIES? AND THEN LASTLY, FUTURE GROWTH. YOU KNOW, SO WHERE DO WE NEED TO, WHERE DO WE NEED TO GO RELATED TO WATER PROGRAMMING? UM, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. NEXT SLIDE. SO JUST KIND OF SOME DETAILS, SOME NEXT STEPS. WE WOULD LOOK TO PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER INTO A FINALIZED RFP DOCUMENT THAT COULD BE ISSUED, UH, THROUGH THE NORMAL CHANNELS, UH, SOMETIME THIS FALL. UM, WE WOULD LOOK TO, TO HAVE A CONTRACT, UH, IF IT EXCEEDS A CERTAIN THRESHOLD, UH, SPRING SUMMER OF 2026. AND THEN WE EXPECT THIS TO BE A THREE TO SIX MONTH STUDY FOR COMPLETION, UH, NEXT FALL. SO THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION. WE'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. AND, UH, I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE SHORT, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE OF THE WORK AND WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON. UH, RYAN, I THINK HE DID A GOOD JOB OUTLINING THOSE CORE AREAS. 'CAUSE WE NEVER HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THESE FROM A PROGRAMMATIC SIDE. NOT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. THANK YOU, MR. JENKINS. THANK YOU, MR. O'CONNOR. MS. HAS GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION. UM, I JUST WANT TO GO AHEAD AND JUST PUT ON RECORD THAT I'M, I'M NOT, NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS. I THINK [00:30:01] IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE OPERATE HOLISTICALLY, WHETHER IT'S AT THE LAKE OR SOCCER OR, OR WHATEVER OUR OPERATIONS ARE. I THINK IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO BE, UH, RESPONSIBLE ABOUT THAT. HOWEVER, WITH THIS ONE, WE ARE JUST IN THE PROCESS OF FINISHING, UH, A MASTER PLAN OVER A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS. A LOT OF THOUGHT, A LOT OF COMMUNITY INPUT WENT INTO THAT. IT WAS TALKED ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME. IT SEEMED TO BE DRIVEN BY, UM, STAFF INTERNAL NEED FOR IT, AS WELL AS COMMUNITY NEED FOR IT. WITH THIS ONE, THERE JUST REALLY HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND THIS. UH, I ONLY HEARD ABOUT IT VERY RECENTLY THAT, THAT WE WERE INTENDING TO DO THIS. I DON'T THINK THAT IT WAS NECESSARILY DRIVEN BY, UH, STAFF FEELING CONFUSED OR CONFLICTED ABOUT THE CONTRACTS AND OPERATORS WE HAVE OUT AT WHITE ROCK LAKE. I'VE WORKED VERY INTIMATELY WITH ALL OF THEM NOW FOR SIX YEARS. EVERYBODY'S GOT A CONTRACT AND EVERYBODY'S GOT A CONTRACT THERE THAT IS IN GOOD STANDING. WE'VE GOT OPERATORS THAT ARE OPERATING CAPITALLY. WE CREATED A WHITE ROCK LIKE NAVY TO BRING EVERYBODY TOGETHER. SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE AND FROM THE OPERATORS AND THE INPUT FEEDBACK THAT I GET THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AN OVERARCHING PROBLEM RIGHT NOW. WE SEEM TO BE, UH, SATISFYING THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AS FAR AS ACCESS TO THE SAILING CLUBS, UH, FOR THE YOUTH TO GET ROWING CLUB. SO FOR ME, THIS IS A BIG EXPENDITURE. THINGS TYPICALLY COST SUMMER 50,000 AND A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. I KNOW OUR DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAVE IT. I, I HEAR THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A BUDGET CRISIS UP AT COUNCIL, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'VE GOT EXTRA MONEY SITTING AROUND. SO IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT GOING FORWARD, BUT I THINK THAT TIMING IS NOT GREAT. I THINK THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT ARE MORE CRITICAL FOR OUR SPENDING. AND AS A PERSON THAT'S LIVED AND WORKED IN THAT, THAT ENVIRONMENT NOW FOR SIX YEARS, THIS REALLY DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY IMMINENT PROBLEM NEEDING TO SOLVE. UH, ALL OF THE CONTRACTS, LIKE I SAID, ARE IN, ARE HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY THE COUNCIL. SOME OF THEM HAVE VERY, WITHIN THE LAST SIX YEARS. BOTH, BOTH THE SAILING CONTRACTS WERE RENEWED. UM, THERE WAS A SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT THAT WENT OUT FOR WHITE ROCK ROWING WITHIN THE LAST SIX YEARS. SO THE CONTRACTS HAVE BEEN LOOKED AT. WE HAVE HAPPY OPERATORS. WE HAVE HAPPY USERS. SO I, I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF SPENDING THIS MONEY RIGHT NOW, THAT THAT WOULD BE MY INCLINATION. AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A BRIDGE AT DIXON BRANCH, REBELL PARK THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. I JUST FOUND OUT WE HAD TO TAKE BOND MONEY AWAY FROM A, A PROJECT TO WHITE ROCK LAKE PARK TO PUT INTO THE BRIDGE TO PAY FOR THAT BRIDGE. SO WE DON'T HAVE MONEY LAYING AROUND THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS. SO I WANNA BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE UTILIZE OUR RESOURCES. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE HERE? UH, SAY WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE? OH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THIS, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS, THIS, THIS HAS BEEN MENTIONED THAT RYAN HAS OUTLINED THOSE SIX OR SEVEN SCOPES. 'CAUSE IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE. IT HASN'T. AND WE'RE NOT THE EXPERTS. AND SO, UH, I MEAN THAT'S PRETTY MUCH MY, ON THAT ONE. WE HAD A REQUEST FROM A COUNCIL MEMBER. UH, AND ONCE THAT REQUEST HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, RYAN AND I GOT TOGETHER AND WE DECIDED, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THIS. LET'S LOOK AT IT FROM A LISTIC STANDPOINT. SOMETHING HASN'T HAPPENED. UH, YOU KNOW, ARE WE, AS IT RELATES TO THE ROAD, THE RIGHT, RIGHT MARK ACTIVITIES TAKING PLACE OUT THERE. WE HAVE NEVER LOOKED AT HOW DO WE MANAGE THAT GROWTH GOING FORWARD? DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT PLAN GOING FORWARD? SO THERE'S SOME COMPONENTS IN HERE THAT I DO SUPPORT IT. WE NEED TO . I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT IT, IT FEELS AS THOUGH TO ME THAT THE, THE TIMING IS APPROPRIATE. AND JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN SO ENGAGED IN UPDATING THAT THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE PARK, THAT THIS IS AN ELEMENT OF THAT PERHAPS WE SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF EARLIER. BUT SINCE WE'RE STILL VERY MUCH IN THE MODE OF, OF TRYING TO FINALIZE THAT PLAN, AND IT SEEMS REASONABLE TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE A LOOK AT STUFF THAT OCCURS ON THE WATER WHILE WE'RE AT IT. UH, MR. DICKEY, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, I HA I THINK I AGREE WITH MS. HASTY ON THE TIMING WHEN I READ THE BRIEFING, [00:35:01] ALL OF WHAT'S IN THE BRIEFING MAKES SENSE TO DO THAT, TO GET A GLOBAL IDEA OF HOW OUR CONTRACTS RELATE WITH EACH OTHER, ET CETERA. BUT TO HIRE A CONSULTANT NOW TO GO FIGURE THAT OUT, UH, MS. HASTY OR SOMEONE MENTIONED A GLOBAL LOOK. WELL, I THINK WE MIGHT BE GETTING A LITTLE AHEAD OF OURSELVES BECAUSE WE HAVE SUSTAINABILITY ISSUES WITH WATER SPORTS AT WHITE ROCK. THE LAKE HASN'T BEEN DREDGED. I'VE BEEN ON A KAYAK IN THAT CREEK THAT FEEDS IT. IT'S AN ABSOLUTE MESS. THERE, THERE, IT'S LITTERED WITH LUMBER AND TRASH. AND WE HAVE NOT YET FIGURED OUT THE PROBLEM OF ALL OF THE FLOWING OF TRASH AND TREE LIMBS INTO WHITE ROCK. SO UNTIL OUR DEPARTMENT IS ABLE TO WORK WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND FIGURE OUT A PLAN FOR LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY OF WHITE ROCK FOR WATER SPORTS, I THINK THE TIME MIGHT NOT BE RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A THREE, OVER $3 MILLION CUT TO OUR BUDGET. LIKE WHY NOW? UM, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE CONFLICTS BETWEEN DALLAS UNITED CREW AND WHITE ROCK ROWING. UH, I CAN'T, AND I'VE MET WITH MS. HAS BEING, I'VE MET WITH SUE ELLEN CHAMBERS ABOUT WHITE ROCK ROWING A FEW YEARS AGO FOR QUITE A TIME. IT'S A COMPLICATED THING, BUT WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT. WE CAN GET THIS WORKED OUT. BUT TO GO AND HIRE A CONSULTANT NOW TO DO THAT BEFORE WE KNOW WE HAVE A SUSTAINABLE LAKE, I, I WOULD SAY NO RIGHT NOW. AND THAT I WOULD, IN TERMS OF WHAT STAFF SHOULD DO, IS TALK TO THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO GET AN ASSESSMENT OF HOW AND WHEN ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO DREDGE THE LAKE OR CLEAN UP THE CREEK. THEN WE HAVE VIABLE LAKE FOR WATER SPORTS. BUT GOING FORWARD RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE'RE TOO EARLY. LET'S GET, LET'S GET THE COMPREHENSIVE SUSTAINABILITY OF THE LAKE SETTLE, THEN DO WHAT WE'RE DOING. UNLESS STAFF FEELS LIKE OUR CONTRACTS WE HAVE NOW ARE ALL MESSED UP. AND AS CHAIR CHAIR CONNOR SAID, WHAT'S THE CRITICAL PROBLEM? WHAT'S THE CRITICAL ISSUE TO DO THIS RIGHT NOW? THAT'S WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. I HAVE TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE WHAT, FROM STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE CONTRACT . I HAVE TO BE CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT. AND WHAT ABOUT THE SUSTAINABILITY OF THE LAKE AS IT RELATES TO OUR DEPARTMENT OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS INTERACTING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM? THE BIG PROBLEM AT WHITE ROCK, UH, SORRY, THAT WAS A QUESTION FOR DIRECTOR JENKINS. WHAT DO YOU SEE AS OUR, HOW WE, HOW DO WE SOLVE THE SUSTAINABILITY ISSUE? I'LL LET RYAN GIVE AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, THE DESIGN FOR THE MASTER PLAN. WELL, SPECIFICALLY TO THE, TO THE DREDGE PROJECT. UH, I MEAN, YEAH, THE DR YEAH, SO, SO THE MOST RECENT UPDATE THERE, OF COURSE, IS WE RECENTLY, UH, COUNCIL APPROVED THE LAST MEETING, THE AGREEMENT WITH THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS THAT ESTABLISHES THE PARTNERSHIP PROJECT, WHICH ALSO INVOLVED $2 MILLION OF ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM THE BOARD. AND SO WE WILL USE THAT FUNDING TO SUPPLEMENT THE EXISTING, UH, AGREEMENT WE HAVE WITH PRE NICHOLS THAT SHOULD BE COMING TO THE BOARD OF COUNCIL HERE THIS, UH, FALL. SO WE ARE VERY MUCH, UM, UNDERWAY ON DESIGNING THE, THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION FOR THE DREDGE. UM, SO JUST TO, TO EMPHASIZE THE POINT THAT THE DREDGE PROJECT IS, IS UNDERWAY FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE. SO, UM, WE HAVE EVERY, UH, EXPECTATION THAT, THAT, UM, THERE WILL BE A DREDGE PROJECT, UH, CONSTRUCTION EFFORT OR DREDGING EFFORT HERE THE NEXT FEW YEARS. UH, DO I HAVE ANY TIME LEFT? YES. UH, SO THEN I GUESS MY POINT IS YES, THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NEXT BOND, MOST LIKELY 20, YOU KNOW, YEARS. AND MEANWHILE THE ISSUES COMPOUND. THEY CONTINUE, THE LAKE CONTINUES TO SILT, THE CREEK IS STILL A, AN ABSOLUTE MESS AND GETS WORSE EVERY YEAR. SO I GUESS IT IS WHAT IT IS, RIGHT? WE CAN'T MAKE THE BOND COME ANY FASTER, BUT I JUST WONDER ABOUT SPENDING THE MONEY NOW INSTEAD OF, LET'S SAY IN WHENEVER WE GET THE LAKE DREDGED AND DOING IT THEN WHEN WE KNOW WE'VE GOT A VIABLE LAKE FOR RECREATIONAL SPORTS GOING INTO THE NEXT 15 OR 20 YEARS, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU, MR. RICKY. THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S YOUR TIME. WE COME DOWN BACK TO YOU ROUND TWO. [00:40:01] WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO KEEP EXPOUNDING ON YOUR THOUGHTS. UM, MR. AGARWAL CHAIR CONNOR, UH, UH, COUPLE OF THINGS, UH, RYAN AND ALL, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WHITE CROCK ALWAYS HAS BEEN, AND I THINK WE WENT, UH, REALLY WHEN THE BOND HAPPENED, I SAW HOW UNITED OUR BOARD WAS AND COUNCIL WAS WHEN MONEY WAS ALLOCATED FOR WHITE CROCK. IT NEVER GOT TREATED AS A, UH, THAT IT WAS A TYPICAL COUNCIL DISTRICT. IT WAS TREATED AS A CITY ASSET, AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS, LIKE ZOO OR AUM AND ALL. NOW, I, I THINK AS, AS WE ARE DELIBERATING THIS, I THINK THERE ARE COUPLE OF REALLY BIG ISSUES, WHICH I SEE. ONE IS THE SAFETY ISSUE. I'M REALLY NOT A WATER GUY. I DON'T GO THERE OFTEN. BUT IF I SEE, I SEE HOW RANDOMLY I THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, THE, THE, THE SAFETY ISSUES ARE THERE IN TERMS OF, BECAUSE LAKE DOESN'T COME UNDER US, IT COMES UNDER DWU AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. I THINK THERE ARE INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES WHICH ARE THERE, AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE CONTRACTS. AND RYAN, I THINK WE SHOULD TREAT THIS LIKE WE ARE TREATING EVERY OTHER CONTRACT THAT, UH, ARE THEY RIGHT FOR THE CITY? BECAUSE IT SEEMS, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE, THERE MIGHT BE OPPORTUNITIES HERE WITH THE MULTIPLE OPERATORS. EVERYONE WANTS THE PIECE OF A PROPERTY, BUT NO ONE IS WANTING TO SHARE THE RESPONSIBILITY. SO, SO OVERALL, I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE THE PLAN THAT WHO ARE THERE. I THINK I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY MONEY INTO INFRASTRUCTURE FROM ANY OF THE PARTNERS, WHICH THEY SAY, OKAY, AND THE REVENUE, THE MONEY WILL GO BACK TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT ALL HAS DONE AND WHAT MR. DICKEY SAID IS EXACTLY RIGHT. I THINK WE CAN KEEP ON HIRING THESE CONSULTANTS, WHAT GOOD IT'LL BE. I THINK THAT PLAN WILL BE SHELL FOR ANOTHER 10 YEARS TILL WE HAVE MONEY. SO WHY EVEN WASTE THAT MONEY IF WE DON'T HAVE MONEY TO DO IT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE PAY 50,000, A HUNDRED THOUSAND, BUT ALL THAT WILL GET SHELVED AS A LOVELY LITTLE POWERPOINT, THEN WE WON'T HAVE NOTHING AT LEAST TILL WE ADDRESS THESE CORE PROBLEMS. SO, SO THAT, THAT'S MY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE REALLY NEED TO TREAT THIS MORE DIFFERENT THAN WE ARE TREATING OUR MAJOR ASSETS LIKE ZOOS AND, UH, ARBERY TERMS. BUT PROBLEM IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE LAKE DOESN'T COME UNDER US. SO THOUGH, HOW DO WE HAVE, HOW DO WE COLLABORATE WITH THAT DEPARTMENT TO TAKE THE CORE RESPONSIBILITY? AND WE WORK WITH DW WE WORK WITH DW ON THIS, ON THIS DREDGE, AND HAVING A LONG-TERM PLAN, UH, BECAUSE DW IS RE IS, IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LAKE, BUT THEY HAVE TURNED THE MANAGEMENT OF THE LAKE OVER TO PARK SYSTEM. MR. AGARWAL, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MUTED. ARE YOU TRYING TO SPEAK? NO, NO. I, I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S FAIR. BUT I THINK SOME OF THESE CORE THINGS WE KEEP IN MIND, UH, DR. JENKINS, RYAN, UH, I THINK DOING FIRST THINGS FIRST MIGHT SERVE WAS BETTER AT THE WHITEROCK LAKE. UH, AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT MY PERSPECTIVE IS. AND HONESTLY, ONE THING TOTALLY OUT OF LINE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T COME VIRTUAL ENOUGH, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO GET OUR TECHNOLOGY IN ORDER. IT JUST LIKE, WE CAN'T HEAR, WE CAN'T SEE. AND REALLY, AND I THINK WE INVESTED IN THIS ONLY COUPLE OF YEARS BACK, NEED TO GO TO OUR TECHNOLOGY PARTNERS. I ATE FOR OUR PUBLIC. THEY COME AND THEY FEEL THE WAY I FEEL AS A PANELIST. LIKE I COULD BARELY HEAR THE PRESENTATION AFTER I ALERTED PRICE. I, IT SEEMS LIKE I'M PART OF HEARING, I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING. IT, IT'S JUST, IT'S A BLIMP. SO BAILEY AND, SORRY, I'M BRINGING A TOPIC WHICH IS NOT WHITE ROCK LAKE, BUT SINCE I'M NOT VIRTUALLY, I HAVE TO POINT THAT OUT. THANK YOU, MR. AGARWAL. MR. SLAUGHTER, HAPPY NEW YEAR. I'M, I'M I LISTENING AND I'M HEARING ESPECIALLY WITH HER, SAY SHE'S FROM THAT DISTRICT VOICE SHE WORKED WITH, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, A REALIST. UH, WE WE'RE ALWAYS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE MONEY IS WITH DO CUTBACKS AND EVERYTHING. WHY? AND KNOW I'VE ALWAYS BEEN LIKE, WHY ARE WE HIRING? [00:45:01] WHY ARE WE GOING OUTSIDE AND WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY? I, I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE TIMING, UH, FOR US TO BE, UH, A GOOD, WHAT I CALL MEAN, MEAN MACHINE. WE HAVE TO DOT OUR ASS AND CROSS OUR T'S. I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE TIMING AND I'M LOOKING AT FINANCIALLY, UH, CAN WE REALLY AFFORD TO GET THIS DONE RIGHT NOW? YOU KNOW? SO I, THAT'S WHERE I'M, THAT'S WHERE I'M SITTING AT. CAN WE, IS AT THIS TIME, YOU KNOW, FROM ANYONE'S PERSPECTIVE, UH, AS WELL AS FOR WHITE ROCK LAKE TO BE PROFICIENT, UH, FINANCIALLY, UH, SAFETY WISE AND FOR THE COMMUNITY, I THINK THIS IS A, IT IS A GREAT IDEA, BUT I'M LOOKING AT DO WE HAVE TO $50,000 OR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO SPEND ON IT RIGHT NOW? I DON'T. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'RE NOT ACCUSING GENERAL FUND DOLLARS FOR THIS. THE DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER IS THAT SHE HAS AGREED TO USE TO REALLOCATE SOME OF BOND FUNDS TOWARDS THIS, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO TAKE ON THIS PROJECT. IT ANSWERS TO MY QUESTION WASN'T THE, DIDN'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING OUTTA ORDER, BUT I'M JUST RESPONDING TO YOUR QUESTION. DID WEREN'T THE BOND FUNDS FOR DISTRICT NINE ALL GONNA BE ALLOCATED TO THE DREDGING PROJECT? YEAH, SO THEY HAVE, UH, SO WE'RE TAKING MONEY AWAY FROM THE DREDGING PROJECT FOR THIS. WE HAVE FUNDING, AND I DON'T HAVE THAT FOR ME, BUT THERE'S FUNDING FOR THE DREDGING, WHICH I THOUGHT 20 MILLION KNOW SOME OTHER FUNDING, WHICH I DON'T HAVE BEFORE ME. IT WAS THE 2 MILLION FESTIVAL. THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER PROJECTS IN THIS STREET. NOT HONEST INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. DO YOU, YOU HAVE OTHER INFORMATION ABOUT THAT? WHAT OTHER PROJECTS OR, UH, I DON'T HAVE THE LIST IN FRONT OF ME EXACTLY, BUT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I KNOW THERE'S, UH, TWO AND A HALF MILLION FOR THE EAST TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS. UM, I'D HAVE TO PULL THE LIST, BUT THOSE ARE THE ONES. SO WHERE, WHERE IS THIS MONEY COMING FROM? WHAT, WHAT PROJECT ARE WE PULLING THIS MONEY FROM? SO WE WOULD WORK WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER TO IDENTIFY THE, THE FUNDING SOURCE FROM THAT DISTRICT. AS Y'ALL ARE AWARE, COUNCIL MEMBER CAN RE THEY, IT IS COMMON FOR THEM TO DECIDE THEY WANT TO REPROGRAM SOME OF THEIR BOND DOLLARS. SURE. I, I JUST, AND AGAIN, I'M GONNA HIT MR. CREAMY NEXT, BUT TO MR. AGARWAL POINT, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ALL THROUGHOUT THE BOND, WE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT THIS WAS A CITYWIDE ASSET, LIKE THE ZOO, LIKE THE ARBORETUM. AND SO IT WOULD BE A REAL SHAME TO PULL MONEY AWAY FROM THE DREDGE THAT WE WORK REALLY HARD TO GET. I KNOW THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER CAN WEAVE, DIVERTED FUNDS AWAY FROM DIFFERENT PROJECTS IN DISTRICT 12. I KNOW MOST COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE, BUT THE BOND, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A CITYWIDE ASSET, I, I JUST, I KNOW WHERE THAT MONEY'S COMING FROM, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT IT DOESN'T COME FROM THE ING PROJECT. MR. FREEBIE, MS HAS NEXT TO QUEUE. NO, SHE'S, SHE'S ROUND TWO. TWO. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, A REALLOCATION OR REPROGRAMMING ON BOND DOLLARS THAT WENT THROUGH THIS INCREDIBLY VETTED PROCESS, HUNDREDS OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS VOLUNTEERED, PARK BOARD MEMBERS WHO KNOW THIS SPACE BETTER THAN ANYBODY IS AN ABSOLUTE DISSERVICE TO THAT WHOLE PROCESS. I'M SORRY, I UNDERSTAND COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ELECTED AND THEY HAVE THIS RIGHT, BUT UNLESS THERE IS AN EMERGENCY, OKAY, WHICH MAYBE WE STILL DON'T LOOK AT CAPITAL BOND DOLLARS, UH, AND SAY THERE IS, IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY, LET'S BE HONEST WITH EACH OTHER. IT'D BE FOOLISH TO SAY, THIS IS AN EMERGENCY. GO REEVALUATE THIS AND BRING CONSULTANTS ON TOP OF CONSULT. HONESTLY, WE HAVE TRAINED STAFF THAT COULD BE LIFTING FOR CLEAR. WE HAVE, AND THAT'S FINE. AND THAT'S FINE TOO. STILL LIKE TO FLOAT AND I APOLOGIZE AND I'LL TAKE ONE THAT INCORRECT STATEMENT. UM, BUT, BUT, BUT IT'S STILL A FOOLISH PROCESS. IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY. AND LET'S SAY IT WAS, THERE NEEDS TO BE TREMENDOUS TRANSPARENCY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, PUBLIC INPUT BECAUSE IF THIS IS $50,000 OR $50 OR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, WE REALLY DON'T KNOW. CONSULTANT FEES, THEY CAN KIND OF INCREASE OVER TIME, RIGHT? THEY KIND OF CREEP UP ON YOU A LITTLE BIT. I'M A CONSULTANT ON MY DAY JOB. I, I KNOW HOW THIS TRADE WORKS. UM, AND, AND SO IT'S, IT'S NOT RIGHT. IT'S NOT RIGHT TO THE PROCESS. UH, WHAT, WHAT'S BEEN VETTED, WHAT WE TOOK 15, 18 MONTHS TO DECIDE, UH, AND, AND DELIBERATE AND WHAT VOTERS PASSED. OKAY. SO IT SHOULD BE A HARD NO. AND, UH, LET'S, UH, LET'S STOP THE BLEEDING. OKAY? UH, WE, WE, WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR PARKS. IT'S NOT JUST FAIR PARK. IT'S NOT JUST WHITE ROCK LAKE, BUT WE'RE BLEEDING ALL OVER THE PLACE. NOW WE GOTTA TAKE THE $3 MILLION HAIRCUT. LET'S JUST STOP THE BLEEDING. PUT THESE THINGS ON HOLD FOR A WHILE. THANK YOU. [00:50:02] THANK YOU, MR. AGAIN. UM, JUST FOLLOWING UP ON MR. CRAIG'S POINT SOME FURTHER THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT, WHEN, WHEN IT COMES TO EMERGENT SITUATIONS LIKE THIS OR CONCEPTUALLY, TYPICALLY PEOPLE SHOW UP UP WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEM, SPEAK ABOUT IT. I JUST SENT A NOTE THAT THERE ARE NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS ASKING FOR THIS TO BE DONE TODAY. EXPLAINING THIS IS A PROBLEM OR SOMETHING THAT NEEDED THE ATTENTION. MANY OF THE INVOLVED PARTIES, THE FACT THAT NO, NOBODY'S HERE ASKING US TO DO THIS, I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT GOOD POINT WELL MADE. MS. ASMAN, THANK YOU. JUST A COUPLE OF CLARIFICATIONS. THE DREDGE, THE DREDGE IS GONNA BE A MINUTE. I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL STRUGGLING WITH EXACTLY HOW TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, WHERE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT PRICE TAG, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE HAVE. SO THAT'S GONNA BE A WAY OFF. AND ANYTIME WE LOOK AT WHITE ROCK, LIKE YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT, YOU CAN'T CHARGE MORE. YOU CAN'T MONETIZE IT UNTIL YOU HAVE AN ASSET THAT PEOPLE WANT TO USE. WE DON'T HAVE BATHROOMS. WE DON'T HAVE CONCESSION STANDS. YOU CAN'T BUY A BOTTLE OF WATER. WE DON'T POTENTIALLY DON'T HAVE A LEG YOU CAN EVEN REALLY UTILIZE FOR SAILING AND ROWING IF WE HAVE ANY KIND OF DROUGHT GOING ON. SO WE GOTTA LOOK AT THE ASSET THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MONETIZE. SECONDLY, EVERY OPERATOR OUT THERE IS, THEY DON'T RECEIVE A STIPEND. THEY DO ALL OF THEIR OWN MAINTENANCE AND THEY PAY US RENT. SO THEY'RE OUT THERE MAINTAINING OUR VERY OLD SAILING FACILITIES, THE ROWING FACILITY, THE FILTER BUILDING, THEY'RE ALL PAID FOR BY THOSE PEOPLE THAT UTILIZE OUR ASSETS. SO THEY ARE BEING TAKEN CARE OF. IT'S NOT ON OUR DIME TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE. THE BOND MONEY IS GONNA BE REALLOCATED. IT'S ALREADY, SOME OF IT'S ALREADY BEEN FOR THE, IT'S THE EAST LAW IS A STRIP OF EAST LAU WHERE BOTH OF THE SAILING CLUBS ARE, AND THE KAYAK CONCESSION USED TO BE. IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS, TIGHT AREA AND WE REALLY NEED THIS IMPROVEMENT FOR SAFETY TO GET THE PEOPLE OFF THE ROAD ON ONTO SOME KIND OF SIDEWALK. BUT THAT MONEY IS ALREADY, SOME OF IT'S ALREADY BEEN TAKEN OUT FOR THE BRIDGE AT DICKSON BRANCH, AND NOW IT LOOKS LIKE MORE MONEY WOULD BE TAKEN OUT FOR THIS CONSULTANT, WHICH I WOULD NOT BE HAPPY ABOUT. TO YOUR POINT, WE TALKED ABOUT IT, Y'ALL VOTED ON IT, AND NOW IT'S JUST BEING SORT OF REALLOCATED WHEREVER THE COUNCIL PERSON SEEMS TO WANT IT TO GO. SO I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. AND THEN THE LAST PORTION THAT IS IT IS ABOUT THE CONTRACTS. UM, THIS WAS BEING DRIVEN BY THE COUNCIL PERSON. THIS IS TO APPEASE THE COUNCIL PERSON. AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE CONTRACTORS CONTRACTS ARE BEING INSPECTED WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB RIGHT NOW. SO YOU CAN'T SAY THAT THE TIMING DOESN'T ALIGN TO, IT'S ABOUT THE CONTRACTS. MR. DICKEY, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD A QUICK POINT TO KIND OF SUPPLEMENT MY POINT FROM MY FIRST ONE, WHICH IS THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO DO IT UNTIL WE FIX THE BIG SUSTAINABILITY PROBLEM. WE HAD A SIMILAR ISSUE AT BACHMAN. THE DALLAS ROWING CLUB CONTRACT WAS UP FOR RENEWAL. WE WERE ASKING THEM FOR NEW THINGS, UH, SCHOLARSHIPS AND OTHER KINDS OF THINGS. AND THE PRESIDENT MADE A REALLY GOOD POINT TO ME. HE SAYS, YOU GUYS, YOU'VE LET THIS LAKE SILT UP, WE CAN'T EVEN ROW ON IT PROPERLY. AND IT'S YOU, WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW AND ASKING US FOR MORE CONCESSIONS IN OUR NEW CONTRACT WITHOUT YOU HAVING FIXED THE LAKE. IT'S LIKE A LANDLORD LETTING HIS BUILDINGS FALL APART AND THEN ASKING THE TENANT FOR A RENT INCREASE WITH HAVING MADE NO IMPROVEMENTS, I THINK. AND, AND SO WHAT HAPPENED? WE, WE DREDGED THE LAKE. NOW EVERYBODY'S PRETTY HAPPY OUT THERE, BUT THE POINT HE MADE IS A GOOD ONE. AND I SEE THAT THE SAME THING WITH WHITE ROCK. I'D JUST LIKE TO DOUBLE DOWN ON THAT, IS WE GOTTA START TO FIGURE OUT THE SUSTAINABILITY ISSUE. AND THIS, THIS, TO ME, THIS CAN WAIT, COUNCIL CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, BUT IN TERMS OF THIS BOARD, MY POSITION IS NOT NOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. DICKEY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? BRIAN? MY LAST QUESTION UNDERWAY FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, WHAT'S THAT MEAN? WHAT'S THAT? WHAT'S, WHAT'S LIKE, ARE WE, IF YOU HAD TO PUT, I'M NOT GONNA HOLD YOU TO THIS. SURE. UM, BUT ROUND NUMBERS, ROUNDABOUT NUMBERS, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE DESIGN'S GONNA GET DONE? THE DREDGING'S GONNA START, DREDGING'S GONNA LIKE, WELL, IS THIS, IS THIS TO MR. MCKEE'S POINT, SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA GO TO ONE TWO MORE BOND ROUNDS BEFORE WE CAN DO THIS? WELL, THE PART OF THE ANSWER GOES TOWARDS EXACTLY WHAT IS THE DREDGE PROJECT GOING TO LOOK LIKE. SO WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION FUNDING IN THE LAST [00:55:01] YEAR OF THE BOND PROGRAM. HOWEVER, WE HAVE DESIGN FUNDING AVAILABLE NOW, SO WE'RE AT ABOUT A 30% DESIGN. AND, AND NOW IT'S THE POINT WHERE WE NEED TO SUPPLEMENT THE CONTRACT WITH RESON NICHOLS TO DO SOME COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A, UH, UNIFIED APPROACH ON WHAT THIS DREDGE PROJECT WILL LOOK LIKE. SO, UM, THE DESIGN IS VERY MUCH UNDERWAY. THERE WILL BE A CONSULTANT CONTRACT COMING BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE. AND WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION FUNDING AVAILABLE IN A COUPLE YEARS. AND CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THIS EAST EAST LAW ITEM IS THAT SURE IS A SAFETY ISSUE? WELL, MS. HASSMAN JUST KIND OF DESCRIBED IT. IT'S, IT'S THE EAST SIDE OF THE LAKE, THE WEST SIDE AND THE EAST SIDE OF THE LAKE LOOK DIFFERENT. THE EAST SIDE OF THE LAKE DOESN'T REALLY HAVE SIDEWALKS. THERE'S SOME, UH, AGGREGATE, UH, PARKING LOTS. AND SO, UM, THE INTENTION OF THIS FUNDING WAS TO IMPROVE THAT CONDITION, TO CREATE A TRAIL SLASH SIDEWALK AND TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THOSE EXISTING PARKING AREAS. HOW IS IT A SAFETY ISSUE? THERE'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT CURRENTLY A TRAIL OR A SIDEWALK EVER ON THAT SIDE OF THE LAKE. WHERE DO PEOPLE WALK IF THEY WALK ON THAT SIDE OF THE LAKE? JUST EITHER IN THE GRASS OR ON THE EDGE OF THE ROBOT? NO, THAT, THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'D BE IMPORTANT TO FIX. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SIR. NEXT UP WE HAVE THE SUMMER CAMP WRAP UP FROM STEVEN BAKER. GOOD MORNING. MORNING, UH, STEVE BAKER, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF RECREATION SERVICES. YEAH, HERE, PROVIDE A SUMMER CAMP OVERVIEW, UM, KIND OF SHOW THE EXCITING THINGS THAT, UH, OUR KIDDOS DID THIS SUMMER AND, UH, SHARE THE OVERALL GROWTH OF THE PROGRAM THAT WE EXPERIENCED THIS YEAR. SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. AND, UH, TO PROVIDE OUR PRESENTATION TODAY IS SERVICE AREA MANAGER, UH, MASON MCLENNAN. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU ALL TODAY. WE ARE DONE WITH ANOTHER SUCCESSFUL SUMMER CAMP SEASON IN RECREATION SERVICES. WE HAVE MANY AMAZING PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER THAT WE'RE HERE TO SPEAK WITH YOU ALL ABOUT TODAY. UM, WE ARE ALSO GOING TO BE GOING OVER OUR SURVEY RESULTS AND PROVIDING SOME DATA. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS PRESENTATION IS TO HIGHLIGHT THE DIFFERENT SUMMER PROGRAMS THAT WE OFFERED, UM, AND THEN TO SHOWCASE THE DATA THAT WE COLLECTED SO THAT WE CAN USE THAT FOR MAKING FUTURE DECISIONS FOR THE FUTURE. AS YOU ALL KNOW, SUMMER IS PEAK SEASON FOR RECREATION SERVICES. WE HAVE EXTENSIVE PROGRAMMING, INCREASED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, AND OUR WHOLE GOAL IS TO PROVIDE SAFE AND ENJOYABLE PROGRAMS. UM, AND BY DOING THAT, WE OFFER A DIVERSE NUMBER OF PROGRAMS TO MEET PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT NEEDS, DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS, DIFFERENT AGES. SO THIS SUMMER OUR PROGRAMS RAN FROM JUNE 2ND THROUGH AUGUST 1ST, WE OFFERED A TOTAL OF 55 DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES, UM, WORK FOR AGES FIVE THROUGH 12, AND OUR TEEN PROGRAMS FOR 1317. THE DIFFERENT, UM, SUMMER CAMPS THAT WE OFFERED WERE OUR DISCOVER GALA CAMPS, OUR SPECIALTY OUTDOOR ADVENTURE CAMP AT SAMUEL FARM, OUR TRADITIONAL RECREATION CENTER SUMMER CAMPS. WE HAVE OFFERED 14 CAMPS ACROSS THE CITY AND THEN OUR THERAPEUTIC CAMP AT BACHMAN. IN ADDITION, OUR SENIOR PROGRAM ALSO OFFERED A, UM, OPPORTUNITY FOR SENIORS TO PARTICIPATE IN SUMMER. THE FIRST PROGRAM I WANNA SPOTLIGHT IS OUR DISCOVER DALLAS PROGRAM. THIS SUMMER CAME WAS FREE OF CHARGE TO ITS PARTICIPANTS AND IT RAN EIGHT WEEKS FROM TWO SECONDS THROUGH JULY 25TH. IT WAS HELD AT A TOTAL OF 24 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, INCLUDING DALLAS PUBLIC LIBRARIES, THE RECREATION CENTERS, THE N ONE LOCATION AT IN RICHARDSON, ISD. THE CAMPERS THERE PARTICIPATED IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES. SOME OF OUR TRADITIONAL ONES LIKE ARTS AND CRAFTS. THEY ALSO HAD A YOUTH DJ CLASS THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN HIP HOP DANCE LESSONS, SOME ENRICHMENT VENDORS THAT PROVIDED STEM ENRICHMENT, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL ART PROJECTS AND LITERACY TUTORING. THE NEXT PROGRAM WAS OUR TEAM CAMPS. WE OFFERED THESE AT FOUR DIFFERENT LOCATIONS ACROSS THE CITY, WHICH WERE OL N DAVIS, THURGOOD MARSHALL, AND TIMBERLAND. THIS WAS A NINE WEEK PROGRAM THAT RAN JUNE 2ND THROUGH AUGUST 1ST, WE HAD 179 PARTICIPANTS THIS YEAR, WHICH WAS UP FROM FISCAL YEAR 24, WHICH HAD 144. THE TEAMS PARTICIPATED IN SERVICE PROJECTS AND STEM BASED FIELD TRIPS. I DID WANNA HIGHLIGHT [01:00:01] ONE OF THE PROGRAMS THAT THEY PARTICIPATED IN WAS AN ECO PROGRAM, UM, WHICH THIS WAS A COLLABORATION OF OUR FORESTRY DEPARTMENT, URBAN BIOLOGISTS AND THE LANDFILL MANAGER, WHICH EXPOSED 'EM TO DIFFERENT CAREER OPPORTUNITIES IN CONSERVATION. THE NEXT PROGRAM I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IS OUR TRADITIONAL RECREATION CENTER SUMMER CAMP. AGAIN, THIS WAS NINE WEEKS, AND IT WAS LOCATED AT MOST OF OUR RECREATION CENTERS ACROSS THE CITY. THIS WAS A FEE-BASED CAMP WHERE IT WAS $75 A WEEK FOR CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS AND $85 A WEEK THROUGH NON-RESIDENTS, SAME AS . OUR CAMPERS PARTICIPATED IN A VARIETY OF ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING THE TRADITIONAL ARTS AND CRAFT SPORTS, CULTURAL AND ENRICHMENT CLASSES PROVIDED BY BOTH STAFF AND VENDORS, AND THEN A VARIETY OF GAMES. I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE SUMMER CUP CHALLENGE, WHICH THIS WAS OFFERED LAST YEAR. THIS WAS OUR SUMMER HEALTH AND WELLNESS CHALLENGE, WHERE THE DIFFERENT RECREATION CENTERS PARTICIPATE IN A HARRY POTTER TYPE CHALLENGE TO DO DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES AND, UM, GET DIFFERENT POINTS. AND SO THIS PICTURE HERE, ONE OF THE DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES IS THEY HAD TO DESIGN A MASCOT FOR THEIR HOUSE. AND SO THIS WAS THE WINNING MASCOT, WHICH WAS PHOENIX. IN ADDITION, OUR RECREATION CENTERS PARTICIPATED IN JULY AS PARK AND RECREATION MONTH, WHICH WAS A THREE DAY CELEBRATION AT CITY PARK. AND WE HAD SEVERAL DIFFERENT DIVISIONS COME ACROSS AND SUPPORT THIS, INCLUDING YOUTH, SPORTS, PARK MAINTENANCE AND AQUATICS TO MAKE THAT A SUCCESS. FOR THE NEXT PROGRAM I WANNA SPOTLIGHT IS OUR OUTDOOR ADVENTURE PROGRAM AT SAMUEL FARM. THIS IS THE FIFTH YEAR OF HAVING THAT PROGRAM AND CONTINUE TO SELL OUT THIS YEAR JUST BY INCREASING, UM, CAPACITY OUT THERE. THIS IS A EIGHT WEEK SPECIALTY PROGRAM THAT IS 1 25 A WEEK FOR SPEED OF DALLAS RESIDENTS, ONE 50 A WEEK FOR NON-RESIDENTS. THIS YEAR WE, WE RAN TWO SHUTTLES FROM DALLAS, UM, TO TAKE CAMPERS FROM DALLAS SOUTHWEST ANNUAL FARM, AND THAT WAS $30. THE ACTIVITIES THAT TAKE PLACE OUT HERE ARE ALL OUTDOOR RECREATION, WHICH INCLUDES KAYAKING, MOUNTAIN BIKING, FISHING, GEOCACHING, NATURE, PHOTOGRAPHY, CONSERVATION, AND OUTDOOR. UM, THE CAMPERS DID GO ON AN OVERNIGHT CAMPING TRIP AGAIN THIS YEAR, UM, THIS TIME TO ADD LAKE TO WALKME PARK. THE NEXT PROGRAM I WANNA SPOTLIGHT IS OUR THERAPEUTIC RECREATION PRO RECREATION CAMP AND TAKES PLACE AT BACHMAN. THIS ALSO RAN NINE WEEKS, AND THIS WAS FOR CAMPERS WITH DISABILITIES AGES SIX THROUGH 22. THE ACTIVITIES THAT THE STAFF LED WERE FOCUSED ON DEVELOPING FINE AND GROSS MOTOR SKILLS, SOCIAL SKILLS, AND STREAM BASED LEARNING AND ENVIRONMENT THAT PROMOTES GROWTH. GROWTH. AT THE END OF SUMMER, WE SENT OUT A SURVEY. UM, THE SURVEY WAS SENT TO BOTH STAFF AND PARENTS SO THAT WE COULD GAIN FEEDBACK ON THE SUMMER AS WE CONTINUED TO DEVELOP AND IMPROVE. UM, WE DID RECEIVE SURVEYS BACK FROM 15 STAFF MEMBERS, UM, AND 341 PARENTS, WHICH THAT, UM, NUMBER WAS AN INCREASE LAST YEAR. AND WE ASSESSED THEIR OVERALL EXPERIENCE, THEIR LIKELIHOOD TO RECOMMEND THE CAMP, AND THEN THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK. WE SAW IMPROVEMENTS IN THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED THIS YEAR. OUR OVERALL STAFF EXPERIENCE, UM, INCREASED BY 5.2%. THE RATING FOR OUR OVERALL PARENT EXPERIENCE INCREASED BY 1.5%, SO WE WERE HAPPY TO SEE THOSE INCREASES. IN ADDITION 3.2, WE HAD A 3.2% INCREASE IN PARENTS THAT WERE LIKELY TO RECOMMEND THEIR CAMP TO OTHERS. SO WE WERE EXCITED TO SEE THAT. UM, OF COURSE WE HAD WITH GETTING ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK, WE HAD AN INCREASE IN RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'LL BE TAKING A CLOSE LOOK AT AS WE ALWAYS CONTINUE TO AND STRIVE TO IMPROVE. THIS YEAR WE AWARDED 92 SUMMER CAMP SCHOLARSHIPS. UM, THIS NUMBER, IT'S DOWN FROM 2024, BUT THE VARIANCE IN THAT, UM, IN THAT NUMBER IS BECAUSE WE INCREASED OUR NUMBER OF DISCOVERED DALLAS CAMPS THAT WE OFFERED ACROSS THE CITY. UM, SO MOVING ON TO THE NEXT PAGE, OUR FEE-BASED CAMPS ON INCREASE IN BOTH ENROLLMENT AND WE INCREASED THE CAPACITY THIS YEAR. OUR PARTICIPATION RATE WAS 82%. WE DID HAVE AN INCREASE, UM, TO 705,000 BUCKS THIS YEAR. THAT CAME FROM THE INCREASE IN OUR DISCOVER DALLAS, WHICH ARE FREE CAMPS. UM, SEVERAL OF THE [01:05:01] LOCATIONS, WHICH, UH, YOU MIGHT FORMALLY KNOW IS OUR SEND INTO CAMP. UH, WE ALSO HAD AN INCREASE IN ENROLLMENT HERE. WE HAD A SLIGHT DECREASE IN CAPACITY THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE RIGHT-SIZED SOME OF OUR LOCATIONS SINCE WE ASSESSED WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO BE. UM, WE HAD A 72 PARTI, 72% PARTICIPATION RATE, WHICH SHOWS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME SPACES AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, UM, FOR THOSE THAT MIGHT WANT TO SEEK THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND THEN AS WE PUT IT ALL TOGETHER ON THIS NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE OVERALL IMPACT FROM 24 20 24 TO 2025. UM, WE ARE HAPPY TO SEE INCREASES ACROSS THE BOARD, UM, IN OUR . ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF OUR PARTICIPANT DEMOGRAPHICS, WHICH REALLY STAYED VERY, UH, RELATIVELY THE SAME FROM YEAR TIER. THERE'S A SLIGHT VARIANCE IN 'EM, BUT, UM, YOU CAN SEE US DISTRIBUTED ACROSS WITH 29% BEING AGE FOR FIVE TO SEVEN, 40.9%, EIGHT TO 10. OUR 11 TO 12 YEAR OLDS MADE UP A LITTLE OVER 28%. AND THEN OUR TEENS WERE GETTING CLOSER TO 2% FOR OUR PARTICIPANTS IN THE FINAL PROGRAM, UM, I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT IS OUR SENIOR SUMMER CAMP. THIS RAN FROM JUNE 4TH TO AUGUST. FIRST THEY HAD A THEME OF DOWNTOWN ART WALK AND THEY WENT ON A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT FIELD TRIPS, INCLUDING THE DALLAS MUSEUM OF ART, THE CROW MUSEUM OF ASIAN ART. THEY DID A SCAVENGER HUNT AT NORTH PARK MALL AND THEY WRAPPED THE SUMMER, THE SUMMER UP BY GOING TO MEDIEVAL TIMES. AND THEN THESE LAST FEW SLIDES, AND WE HAVE OUR SUM SUMMER CAMP PHOTO. SO IF WE CAN JUST KIND OF SCROLL THROUGH THESE, YOU'LL SEE ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT SUMMER CAMPS, UM, REPRESENTED HERE IN SOME OF THE DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES. THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE IS FROM OUR TEAM TALENT SHOWCASE WHEN, AND THAT COMPLETES OUR, IF YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED YOU ALL, WE USED A LOT OF DATA IN THERE IN THE . THANK YOU MR. JENKINS. I ACTUALLY PIGGYBACK ON THAT QUICK. I DO HAVE A DATA QUESTION. DO WE HAVE A, DO WE HAVE A WAIT LIST? DO WE KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ON A WAIT LIST FOR IF THERE'S A CAPACITY ISSUE AT ANY OF THESE LOCATIONS? WE HAVE, UM, SOME WAIT LISTING, UM, IN THE PAST YEAR, CERTAIN LOCATIONS, THAT LOCATION, THAT TYPE OF DEMAND. BUT THERE ARE LOCATIONS. YEAH, THAT'D BE REALLY INTERESTING TO KNOW THAT, THAT, THAT DATA POINT, LIKE WHERE IS, WHERE DO WE HAVE AN INFLUX OF KIDDOS THAT WE CAN'T SERVICE SO WE CAN POTENTIALLY TRY TO SERVICE THEM IN THE FUTURE? YEAH. AND WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS REDIRECT THEM TO THE NEAREST RECREATION CENTER OR TO ONE OF OUR, UM, DISCOVER DALLAS LOCATION THAT MAY BE IN THE AREA, IN THE LIBRARY OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. AND WE'VE REALLY, WE'VE REALLY DONE A GOOD JOB OF THAT OVER THE YEARS, REDIRECTING. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, SOME FOLKS ARE JUST KIND OF, THIS IS THE MOST IMMEDIATE FOR ME. SURE. OKAY. YEAH, IT'D BE BE INTERESTING TO KNOW THAT. SORRY, I, I WAS GONNA GO LAST, BUT THAT PIGGYBACK RIGHT INTO MY QUESTION. SO SORRY. MR. S SPECIAL DAY. YOU ARE ACTING CHAIR. YOU MAKE THE RULES. UM, I JUST WANNA JUMP IN AND GIVE A LOT OF PRAISE HERE. SO, SO, UH, THERE, THERE'S A SLIDE ABOUT, UM, UH, RATING, UH, THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT THE BOARD, UH, RATING. WE HAVE FIVE STARS, SO FIVE STARS ON THE BOARD. UH, ADD THAT TO THE DATA. UH, THIS IS, UH, IT'S AN INCREDIBLE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. I ADORE ALL THE PHOTOS. THERE'S, UH, MORE PHOTOS IN HERE THAN OUR AVERAGE BRIEFING PRESENTATION AND SENIORS AND LOVE THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR THE PHOTOS. UM, IT'S INCREDIBLE DATA CRUNCHING. WOW, THAT'S INCREDIBLE, , VERY USEFUL. ESPECIALLY FOR, FOR THOSE OF US WHO LOVE THAT, UM, THE SENIORS, UH, CAN, CAN I PARTICIPATE IN THE SENIOR? UM, AND THEN THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY IS, UH, MY, MY OLDEST, UH, HE TURNS FIVE IN OCTOBER, SO YOU KNOW WHERE WE'LL BE NEXT. SO, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. UH, MR. NICKY. UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, I'VE GOT A QUESTION. HOW DO WE FUND DISCOVER DALLAS? HOW IS THAT FUNDED? SO IT'S A, IT'S A COMBINATION OF THROUGH, UH, WHAT OUR, OUR WATER BILL MAILER THAT WE HAVE DONE HISTORICALLY, UH, THROUGH, UH, THAT'S FUNDED THROUGH COMMUNITIES FOUNDATION OF TEXAS. WE [01:10:01] ALSO USE THE MILLION DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDS AND THEN WE ALSO USE A PORTION. UM, AND SO THE NAME CHANGED FROM SEND A KID TO CAMP TO DISCOVER DALLAS. UM, WHAT WAS THE THINKING ON THAT NAME CHANGE? JUST PROVIDING A REFRESH AND A KIND OF A REBOOT ON THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE PROGRAM. UH, SO WAS THERE AN ISSUE THAT, LIKE, THAT WAS A NAME THAT WAS HANDICAPPING US IN SOME WAY OR NEEDED SOME? WHY DID IT NEED A REFRESH? JUST KIND FOR A, A FRESH SET OF EYES AND A FRESH PERSPECTIVE AND TO, SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE SOLICIT PHILANTHROPY FOR THAT PRO, THAT WONDERFUL PROGRAM, WHICH I WANNA SAY EVERYTHING YOU ALL DO IS WONDERFUL. IT'S THE BEST THING WE DO. I'VE SAID IT SO MANY TIMES, I'M EMBARRASSED TO REPEAT IT, BUT I THINK YOU ALL IN YOUR, IN YOUR AREA ARE THE, ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING OUR PARK DEPARTMENT DOES IN A VERY ARGUABLE WAY. SO HAVING SAID THAT THOUGH, YOU KNOW, SEND A KID TO CAMP SAYS IT. IT'S LIKE, HEY, YOU CAN HELP US GET THESE KIDS TO CAMP, DISCOVER DALLAS. SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, LIKE MAYBE A VISIT DALLAS INITIATIVE OR DOESN'T REALLY TELL YOU WHAT IT'S ABOUT. SO, UM, JUST IT'S WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE, BUT I THINK JUST SEND A KID TO CAMP KINDA SAYS IT WELL AND DISCOVER DALLAS DOESN'T REALLY SAY MUCH OF ANYTHING. HAVING SAID THAT, UM, ANOTHER QUESTION IS, DID WE SEND AWAY ANY KIDS WHO QUALIFIED FOR EITHER SCHOLARSHIP OR DISCOVERED DALLAS PARTICIPATION? NOT TO MY KNOW KNOWLEDGE. I BELIEVE WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, IT WAS AT EACH OF OUR DISCOVERED DALLAS LOCATIONS. SO ALL THE KIDS WHO QUALIFIED, WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE. UH, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER OF SCHOLARSHIP POSITION, LOCATION, BUT THAT'S, I THINK FOR THE VERY VAST MAJORITY, WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYBODY THROUGH THAT PROGRAM. WELL THAT'S WONDERFUL. 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT PAST YEARS WE'VE SENT AWAY DOZENS OF KIDS, UH, WHO QUALIFIED FOR FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE AND JUST COULDN'T GET IT. SO WHATEVER YOU ALL HAVE DONE TO INCREASE OR DECREASE THE NUMBER OF KIDS WE SEND AWAY WHO ARE QUALIFIED FINANCIALLY, I, THAT'S WONDERFUL AND THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. UM, YEAH, ON THE SEND A KID TO CAMP, UM, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG DEAL. UH, A NAME CHANGE I'VE DONE. UM, AND UM, I DON'T LIKE IT, BUT OKAY, WHO CARES? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. NEWMAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE. SENDING A KID TO CAMP OR DISCOVER DALLAS, WHATEVER THE NAME IS, I LIKE THE FACT THAT KIDS CAN DISCOVER DALLAS. THAT'S A GREAT THING. THAT WHAT WE, NOW MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHEN A KID GOES TO CAMP AND THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING, THEY'RE LEARNING SOMETHING NEW, THEY'RE DISCOVERING DALLAS, THEY'RE DISCOVERING STEM, WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT VERSUS BEING OUT, DOING NOTHING DURING THE SUMMER. SECONDLY, I'M LOOKING AT THE DATA AND I'M LOOKING AT FROM FISCAL YEAR 24, 25, I SEE YOU HAD A, UH, YOUTH SERVED, UH, UH, A 3% GAIN IN THAT. AND, UH, I JUST WANNA KNOW, IS THERE, UH, A PROCESS THAT YOU WENT THROUGH TO BRING THOSE ADDITIONAL KIDS, UH, RECRUITING THOSE ADDITIONAL KIDS OR THAT THEY JUST SHOW UP? WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR STRATEGY TO CONTINUE TO SEE THIS MOVE IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION? WE'VE SEEN HISTORICALLY THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE STILL SOME FINANCIAL BARRIERS THAT EXIST. AND SO SOME OF THE LOCATIONS THAT WE'RE CHARGING BE IN THE PAST VERY LOW ENROLLMENT, WE JUST REDUCED THE FEE OR ELIMINATED THE FEE AT THOSE LOCATIONS, WHICH OBVIOUSLY PROMPTED ADDITIONAL PARTICIPANTS TO COME AND PARTICIPATE . SO WE KNOW, AGAIN, YOU SEE THE CAPACITY, UM, FOR US TO GET ADDITIONAL ENROLLEES, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S ALSO AN INDICATION FOR, FOR US THAT WE CAN KIND OF LOOK AT OUR PRICING STRUCTURE TO SEE WHERE WE CAN BE. ABSOLUTELY. AGAIN, THANK YOU BOTH FOR, FOR THAT WORK AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT. FANTASTIC. WAIT, SORRY, CALVER, GO AHEAD. THAT'S OKAY. UM, I'M, YEAH, I, I'M GLAD TIM BROUGHT UP THE NAME CHANGE 'CAUSE I, I DID KNOW ABOUT THAT, BUT DID WE, WHEN THE NAME CHANGE HAPPENED, DID WE ASK, UH, THAT WAS STARTED BY JIM GRAHAM IN [01:15:01] THE LIKE LATE EIGHTIES, EARLY NINETIES. HIS WIDOW IS STILL CONNECTED. UM, HAVE WE, DID WE ASK HER OR TALK TO HER ABOUT THAT? SO THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO THAT INFORMATION. I'M REALLY GRATEFUL TO HEAR THIS FEEDBACK. WE DID CHANGE THE NAME A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. I THINK IT JUST FLEW PAST EVERYONE, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY RECONSIDER HOW TO REIN INCORPORATE, UH, CITY HIT CAMP. IF, IF YOU NOTICE, WE ALWAYS SAY THEY FORMALLY KNOWN AS, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THAT NAME RESONATES WITH SO MANY PEOPLE. SO I THINK THAT THERE'S ANOTHER WAY WE CAN DO A CO-BRAND, A CO-BRAND. SO, BUT I SURE JUST TO, I'LL JUST, YEAH, I SAW HER LAST A, A FEW MONTHS AGO AND LET HER KNOW THAT THE PROGRAM WAS STILL LIVING ON AND ITS INTENTION. AND I DID LET HER KNOW THAT IT HAD CHANGED, BUT WAS, UM, AND SHE WAS STILL HAPPY THAT IT WAS CONTINUING. I JUST, MAYBE A LETTER OR SOMETHING. I CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH HER INFORMATION. CRYSTAL, MR. AGARWAL, I, I KNOW THAT YOUR HAND IS UP, UM, BUT YOUR VIDEO IS NOT ON, IS YOUR HAND, UH, FOR THIS OR WAS IT ON FROM BEFORE? SORRY, THAT WAS BY MISTAKE. YES. THANKS SIR. UH, ALRIGHT. HEARING NOTHING ELSE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. ALWAYS EVERY YEAR IT'S ONE OF THE BEST ONES. THANK YOU. NEXT UP WE HAVE A BUDGET UPDATE FROM RACHEL BERRY. OKAY, GOOD MORNING. UH, SO JUST A QUICK UPDATE. UM, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WE DID PARTICIPATE IN THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS THAT WERE HELD YESTERDAY FOR CITY COUNCIL. SO, UM, WE PRESENTED WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN HERE IN THE PARK BOARD, UM, AS TO BE POSITIVE OVERALL. SO JUST THAT. AND THEN JUST WANTED TO ALSO UPDATE YOU, I KNOW Y'ALL RECEIVED A MEMO ON AUGUST 14TH DISCUSSING THE, UM, INCREASE IN THE MONIES THAT WAS FUNDED TO FAIR PARK, UM, FOR THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. UM, I KNOW WE DISCUSSED BRINGING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU THAT KIND OF DISCUSS WHAT FOR RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL DOING THE ASSESSMENTS IN GENERAL, THE, THE MONEY IS MUCH APPRECIATED. UM, WE'RE THAT DIRECTOR JENKINS, THE CITY MANAGER OFFICE , BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON, UM, DOES INCORPORATE QUITE A BIT OF HVAC REPAIRS, QUITE A BIT OF SOME SAFETY PANELS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. WE FIRST STARTED THIS AT THE $3.3 MILLION THAT WE HAD. WE WERE LOOKING AT REPAIRING TWO HVAC, TWO LARGE HVAC SYSTEMS. TO DATE, WE ARE UP TO SEVEN. SO WE DO NOT HAVE THOSE FULL COSTS. UM, WE DO NOT HAVE THE FULL COST OF THESE PANELS RIGHT NOW, BUT WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU, UM, WITH A MEMO DISCUSSING WHAT WE'RE ADDITIONAL PLUG FOR UPDATE. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. UM, I SENT OUT AN EMAIL YESTERDAY EVENING AFTER, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THE CRITERIA AND REVIEW ALL OF THE LEGACY COMMUNITY POOL. AND SO WITHIN THAT EMAIL YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE FACILITIES WERE RANKED USING THE CRITERIA OF AGING, UM, THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, ATTENDANCE, PROXIMITY TO A NEARBY FACILITY OR WHETHER OR NOT THE SITE HAD A DIFFERENT AQUA COMMUNITY ON, ON, ON THE CAMPUS. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE THE RANKING BETWEEN THAT CRITERIA OF THE NINE COMMUNITY TOOLS. AND AT OUR, OUR MEETING ON AUGUST 7TH, WE SAID THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH YOU ALL. WE SAID WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH YOU ALL TO IDENTIFY WHICH CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE . SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY. WE INFORMED THE COUNCIL MEMBERS YESTERDAY THAT WE COME TO YOU ALL AND HAVE THIS [01:20:01] CONVERSATION. AND SO ONCE WE CONCLUDE HERE, GET A LITTLE FEEDBACK, WE'LL DETERMINE HOW MOVE FORWARD COUNCIL MAY I UNDERSTAND? YES, MS. HAS, THANK YOU. SO QUICK QUESTION. SO I KNOW WE GOT THE ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR, FOR FAIR PARK, WHICH IS GREAT. NEEDED THAT, ARE WE NOW TRYING TO, UH, SOLVE A $3 MILLION CUT? IS THAT WHAT PART OF THIS POOL CONVERSATION IS ABOUT? IS THAT WHERE WE'RE, IS THAT WHAT WE WERE HANDED BACK? GO BACK AND FIND 3 MILLION MORE? CORRECT. SO THE POOL CONVERSATION IS PART OF THE ORIGINAL $3 MILLION. OKAY. UH, DISCUSSION. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE HERE. AND THIS IS ONE PIECE OF IT. THAT'S CORRECT. AND BY CLOSING TWO, WHAT, WHAT IS THE SAVINGS THERE? PURPLE HUNDRED. OH, PURPLE. YES. SO WITH EACH, WILL WE CLOSE HUNDRED THOUSAND. AND WHERE, HOW ARE WE FINDING THE REST OF THE 3 MILLION? OH, THE, THE 3 MILLION COMES FROM THE ORIGINAL ITEMS THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD, UM, ON THE LAST BUDGET. OKAY. WE HAVEN'T CHANGED IT. NONE OF THAT'S CHANGED. NO, IT IS. SO THIS IS MAKING THE SELECTION WITHIN THAT OF THE, THE PIECES THAT THAT IS CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THIS WAS A WHOLE EXTRA THING OR NO. THE LAST MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF DECOMMISSIONING TWO POOL. RIGHT. AND SO BEFORE WE GOT TO THAT, WE WANTED TO REVIEW THE CRITERIA, COME BACK TO YOU ALL, TO YOU ALL TO BE A PART OF THE DECISION MAKING. GOTCHA. BUT THIS IS, THIS WAS ALREADY INCLUDED. GOTCHA. OKAY. THAT'S, WE'RE JUST GETTING TO THAT. OKAY. MR. KARIMI, MR. CHAIR. UM, YEAH. LAST YEAR I WAS, UH, STOLY OPPOSED, CLOSING ANY POOLS. BUT THIS YEAR I SEE THE REASONING. UM, AND THE DATA'S THERE WHEN, UH, WHEN I DID MY OWN NUMBER OF CRUNCHING, UH, I, UH, I CAME UP WITH TWO DIFFERENT ONES THAN THE TOP TWO YOU HAVE. UM, I, I ACTUALLY FOUND OUT THAT WALNUT HILL WAS A BETTER CANDIDATE THAN RAWW. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH. UM, AND THAT WAS WHAT MY OWN ANA, I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU, LIKE AFTER THIS, UM, UM, BECAUSE IT WAS CLOSER TO A NEIGHBORING POOL THAN ONE UNIT. . SO, SO, AND THEN, SO LIKE MY SECOND THOUGHT IS, UH, WHAT'S, WHAT WAS THE ANALYSIS THAT SAID IT HAS TO BE TWO INSTEAD OF ASKING FOR POTENTIALLY A THIRD ONE? BECAUSE WE GOT A LOT OF GROUND TO COVER HERE. AND I'M SURPRISED THAT DECOMMISSIONING A POOL OR CLOSING A POOL ONLY SAVES A HUNDRED KA YEAR. I WOULD PICK THAT HIGHER. IF ONE POOL IS A HUNDRED K AND WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE A $3 MILLION HAIRCUT, IS THERE CONSIDERATION TO SAY, OKAY, WELL IF WE DO A THIRD, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT LIKE MAKING JUST CONSIDERATION, CONSIDERATION BECAUSE THESE POOLS ARE OLD AND OUR COMMUNITIES NEED TO UNDERSTAND THESE POOLS ARE 70 YEARS OLD. AND HONESTLY, IF WE WOULD'VE DONE THIS JOB, WE WOULD'VE CLOSED 'EM 20 YEARS AGO. SO THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T BE GETTING BLASTED FOR CLOSING POOLS. WE SHOULD BE LIKE BEING PRAISED FOR KEEPING THEM OPEN TWO DECADES, AT LEAST BEYOND THEIR SHELF LIFE. WE SEE OLD HOMES IN OUR COMMUNITIES, AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY, SOME OF 'EM CAN'T BE RESTORED. THEY HAVE TO BE TORN DOWN. IT'S NOT RIGHT, IT'S NOT WRONG. UH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE DECISION THAT HAS TO BE MADE. AND WE DO THAT WITH OLD CARS. SOME OLD CARS ARE WORTH PRESERVING. SOME OLD CARS ARE WORTH, UM, TOUGH DECISIONS IS WHAT I'M SAYING. SO IF THESE POOLS ARE LIKE BUILT IN THE LATE FORTIES, THEY ARE EARLY FIFTIES. THEIR TIME WAS 20 YEARS AGO. SO I THINK MAYBE LIKE WE JUST NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF THE NARRATIVE OUT THERE AND BE LIKE, LOOK, LASTING PARK DEPARTMENT CLOSING. UH, BUT ANYWAY, GOING BACK TO WHAT I ASKED, UH, IS, IS THERE, UH, ADVANTAGES TO CONSIDERING A, SO I, I'LL TAKE THAT. AS WE BRIEF THE COUNCIL YESTERDAY, ONE OF THE THINGS EXPLAINED TO THE COUNCILORS, YOU KNOW, THE REASON WE'RE TRYING TO BE STRATEGIC AND START DECOMMISSIONING THESE FOODS, YOU KNOW, MY DEFINITION OF DECOMMISSION, SOMETHING HAS LIVED HIS LIFE. AND WHEN SOMETHING LIVES HIS LIFE, YOU START DECOMMISSIONING IT. TAKE OUT SERVICE TO YOUR POINT. YEAH. 20 YEARS AGO, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKING THESE THINGS OUT. SERVICE, UH, WE TRIED TO EXTEND THEIR LIFE BY CANNIBALIZING THE OTHER SEVEN, A COMMUNITY POOL THAT WE FOR THEN. AND WE DON'T HAVE THOSE PARTS ANYMORE. SO YOUR QUESTION IS, SHOULD WE BE CONSIDERING MORE? THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE BOARD. UH, I, I DO BELIEVE ONE OR TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS ASKED THE SAME QUESTION YESTERDAY. YOU KNOW, MY RECOMMENDATION LAST YEAR WAS [01:25:01] TO CLOSE ALL NINE OTHER COMMUNITY. 'CAUSE THEY HAVE LIVED THEIR LIFE. HOWEVER, WHEN WE DID LOOK AT THE DATA THIS YEAR, WE RECOGNIZE THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT THREE OR FOUR FOLKS THIS IN A, THEY DID SEE A SURGE IN ATTENDANCE. UH, SO WE DID TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION VERSUS ME JUST COMING BACK THIS YEAR SAYING, HEY, CLOSE ALL NINE. BUT I WILL TELL YOU, IF YOU DECIDE TO CLOSE MORE, IT'S JUST GONNA GIMME MORE PARTS I CAN USE TOWARDS THOSE OTHER FOUR THINGS. THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA TIE YOU ANOTHER TWO YEARS. THAT'S ABOUT IT. OTHER THAN THAT, SOME POINT WE NEED TO CLOSE ALL NINE POOLS. YEAH. LA LAST YEAR WITH THE CONSIDERATION OF NINE POOLS, , UH, TWO, TWO POOLS THIS YEAR, IN MY OPINION IS AN EASY ONE. UM, AND, AND, AND MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERATION FOR A THIRD. I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR ALL NINE. MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE CONSIDERATION FOR A THIRD BECAUSE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SERVICE BLOCK FURTHER DOWN THE LINE AND EVALUATING THOSE. THANK YOU. EVERY NEW YEAR, I, WHAT RUDY SAID, I TOOK MOST OF MY SPEECH, BUT I THINK, UH, ASKING FOR SOME SORT OF EMPATHY OF, AND I LOOK AT THIS LIST, THE FIRST THING THAT COMES OUT IS, IS I'M LOOKING AT GLENDALE. YOU KNOW, I USED TO DRIVE DOWN HERE BY COVID, PICK UP SOMEBODY AT THE POOL. AND SO I THINK WITH THESE COMMUNITIES ALL, AND WE ALL UNDERSTAND THIS ABOUT THEIR TIME, BUT THE COMMUNITIES WANNA KNOW ARE WE'RE GONNA GET SOMETHING, A SPLASH PARK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD EASE THE PAIN FOR THESE COMMUNITIES. AND BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A GREAT AMENITY AT POINT TIME. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT, UH, I HADN'T SEEN ANYBODY HADN AIRPORT QUITE A WHILE CLOSE OR SOMETHING. BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. UH, WE TAKE OUT THE COMMUNITY, WHAT WE GONNA PUT BACK IN THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE SO, SO THANK YOU. YEAH. TO YOUR POINT, AS YOU MENTIONED, GLENDALE COUNCIL MEMBER MAXIE JOHNSON DID MENTIONED A COUNCIL YESTERDAY. HIM AND I HAD A DISCUSSION WHERE HE, HE FELT FOOD WAS IMPORTANT. UM, HE UNDERSTANDS HIS ALL. AND SO WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT HIM REPROGRAMING SOME OF HIS BOND FUNDS. THEY DO HAVE SOME MONEY FOR DALE AND OTHERS. OTHER FUNDING IS, AND HE WOULD WANT, HE WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THAT FOOD WITH A NEW POOL, YOU KNOW, A A NEW COMMUNITY AQUATICS POOL WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WOULD FAST TRACK THE DESIGN, PROBABLY START THE DESIGN LATE THIS YEAR, OR FIRST PART OF NEXT YEAR, AND BEING ABLE TO HAVE CONSTRUCTION STARTED RIGHT AWAY. BUT TO YOUR POINT THAT OTHER THINGS COUNTS BROUGHT UP WHERE WE DO CLOSE A POOL, HOW LONG'S GOING TO TAKE FOR YOU TO FINISH YOUR MASTER PLAN? BECAUSE WE ARE UPDATED AQUATICS MASTER PLAN. AND THAT SHOULD BE FINISHED PROBABLY LIKE AROUND OCTOBER, NOVEMBER TIMEFRAME OF THE YEAR, WE HOPE. UH, BUT ALSO COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO, I MEAN, UH, MAYOR PRO TEAM MORENO MENTIONED YESTERDAY REMINDING THE COUNCIL 2015 MM-HMM . IS THE AQUATICS MASTER PLAN WAS APPROVED. AND THERE WAS A LOT OF THOUGHT, AND I MEAN A LOT OF THOUGHT PUTTING TO WE ARE GOING TO BUILD NINE NEW AQUATIC FACILITIES THAT OUR SWIM PATRONS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE. NOT THE OUTDATED OLD COMMUNITY GROUPS. AND IT TOOK US PROBABLY ALMOST 10 YEARS JUST TO GET TO THE POINT OF GETTING AQUATICS MASTER PLAN APPROVED. THAT PUT SO MUCH THOUGHT INTO MAKING SURE THAT THERE WAS THE COVERAGE AREA THAT WE PUT IN THESE NINE POOLS. AND IT RECOMMENDED IN EXCHANGE FOR BUILDING THESE NEW, AND WE INVESTED $75 MILLION INTO THESE NEW AQUATICS FACILITIES. AND I DON'T THINK PEOPLE KNOW THE HISTORY THERE. $75 MILLION WENT INTO BUILDING NEW AQUATICS FACILITIES TO SERVE WHAT PATRONS [01:30:01] WANT TODAY. AND THE UNDERSTANDING WAS WE WOULD DECOMMISSION REMOVE THOSE OLD COMMUNITY BOOTH. AND THAT WAS THE UNDERSTANDING. THAT WAS THE AGREEMENT. AND SO HERE WE ARE, FAST FORWARD 10 YEARS LATER, WE'RE STILL HAVING A DISCUSSION ON IF THEY SHOULD BE CLOSED OR NOT. WHEN THAT WAS THE UNDERSTANDING WHEN WE SAID WE'LL SPEND $75 MILLION, AND TO YOUR POINT, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE, AND WHILE WE'RE NOT RECOMMEND ALL OF 'EM BE CLOSED RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE KNOW THEY'RE GONNA BE FUNDING TO BUILD NEW POOLS. WE'VE GOT JC ZA THAT'S GONNA BE RECEIVING FUNDING FOR NEW POOL. WE KNOW WE GOT TOMMY, UH, SENIOR HILL'S GONNA BE RECEIVING FUNDING FOR NEW POOL. NOW, I JUST LEARNED WE'RE GETTING NEW FUNDING FOR GLENDALE. AND ALSO PART OF THAT MASTER PLAN, IT PURPOSELY SAID WE CAN'T BUILD 22 NEW POOLS ANYMORE. 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IF YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM THESE HIGH QUALITY TYPE POOLS. BUT WE WILL FILL 'EM IN WITH SPRAY GROUND ALSO BECAUSE WE REALIZED SPRAY GROUND THAT WENT UP IN COSTS. WE PUT A PROTOTYPE OVER AT IN COUNCIL, I MEAN IN MAYOR PRO TEM MORENOS DISTRICT, WE PUT A PROTOTYPE CALLED A SPRAY PAD AT OLD EAST DALLAS WORKY YARD. AND WE ARE BUILDING ANOTHER PROTOTYPE IN, UH, IN PARKWOOD MEMBER GOLDSTEIN DISTRICT AND, AND, UH, CHAIR KATHY STEWART DISTRICT WITH DOING ANOTHER PROTOTYPE OF A SPLASH PAD IN FOREST , WHICH ONLY COST US $630,000 VERSUS THE NEW SPRAY GROUND THAT COULD RUN ANYWHERE FROM 2.5 TO 3.5 MILLION. SO THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A LOT OF STRATEGIC THOUGHT PUT INTO THIS. AND AS I MENTIONED AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING, WE'LL BE VERY STRATEGIC. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE RECOMMEND STRATEGIC, A STRATEGIC APPROACH TO DECOMMISSION AND APPROVE TWO TO THREE YEARS, 37. I'M USE SEVEN OF THOSE. AND IT, AND GOES BACK TO WHAT WAS SAYING EARLIER. AND I'M ALSO CREATING, RUDY, IF WE GO THROUGH ALL THIS PROCESS OF DOING THESE MASSIVE PLANS, WHY ARE WE NEVER FOLLOW THROUGH WITH IT? THAT'S WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. UM, BEFORE WE KEEP GOING WITH QUE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, I DO WANNA RECOGNIZE THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP A COUPLE TIMES. MAYOR PAR, TIM, UM, JESSE MORENO, FORMER PARTNER PERSON IN THE ROOM. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO SAY? NO. UH, KEEP UP A GOOD JOB. THANK NO, I THOUGHT HE WAS SOME COLLEGE STUDENT OR SOMETHING. CHRIS DOWN EVERYTHING. THANK YOU MR. WOOD. THANK YOU. AND ANYTIME SOMEBODY'S PARKED IS ON THE SHOPPING BLOCK IS NEVER GONNA BE THE FUN, UM, PART BECAUSE CONSTITUENTS ARE GONNA ALWAYS COME BACK TO YOU AND LOOK AT YOU. UM, THAT STUFF IS BEING CLOSED. UH, I REALIZED MY NEIGHBORHOOD POOL, UM, IS CLOSE TO A DECOMMISSION PERIOD, BUT DURING THAT MASTER PLAN, IT WAS NOT ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD THAT THOSE POOLS WERE GONNA BE CLOSED BECAUSE I PERSONALLY WAS INVOLVED IN THOSE GOING TO THOSE AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER. AND I WAS TOLD THAT THE INCOME FROM THOSE NEW AQUATICS CENTERS WOULD FUND REDOING THE COMMUNITY COURSE. SO THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY WAS TOLD DURING THAT PLANNING SESSION. AND IT WASN'T STRAIGHT UP LIED TO US. AND SO WE SUPPORTED WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH BECAUSE WE WERE UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WERE GONNA GET A REDONE POOL AT SOME POINT. NOW, WHAT WE DON'T SEE IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES IS THE, THE, THE GIVE AND TAKE. SO MY NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST KEEPING TO MIND PERSONALLY, BECAUSE I LIVED THERE AND I'VE SEEN THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS A SLEEPY NEIGHBORHOOD. A LOT OF SENIORS, A LOT OF THOSE SENIORS ARE PASSING AWAY NOW. THOSE SENIORS HAVE LIVED IN THEIR HOMES FOR 40 TO 50 YEARS AND THEY STOPPED GOING OUT. SO THEY WERE HOME BOUND. THEY WERE NOT GOING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. SO THEY WEREN'T UTILIZING THE SORT LIBRARY WAS, YOU KNOW, NOT UTILIZED. THE POOL WAS NOT UTILIZED, THE PARK WASN'T UTILIZED. NOW WE HAVE YOUNG FAMILIES THAT ARE STARTING TO COME BACK. IT'S NOT THE IDEAL POOL FOR THEM TO BRING THEIR KIDS TO, BUT IT'S BETTER TO HAVE A POOL THAT NO POOL. AND I BELIEVE IF WE START TO LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOODS, SO I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE A CRITERIA, IS IF THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE REVITALIZING, IF THE NEIGHBORHOODS [01:35:01] ARE FLIPPING, UM, AND BRINGING IN YOUNG FAMILIES, HOW DO WE GET THAT INTO THE CONSIDERATION OF, YOU KNOW, BRINGING BACK. SO I, IT, IT'S NOT THE FULL STORY JUST TO SEE NOBODY COMING. LIKE IF THERE'S NOT A LOT OF INCOME, THERE WAS AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR DAYS OUT OF THE TWO OR THREE DAYS A WEEK THAT MY POOL WAS OPEN, THAT THERE WAS PROBLEMS WITH THE POOL. SO THEY CLOSED IT THAT DAY. SO HOW DOES THAT PLAY INTO THE, THE MIX OF, OH, WELL THIS POOL DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF ATTENDANCE, YOU KNOW? SO THERE'S A LOT MORE BEHIND THE SCENES ON THESE NUMBERS. IT'S NOT AS CUT AND DRY. WE ALL WANT NEW. YES, WE DO. WE DO. I WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND IT. I GET THAT. IT'S NOT FUN TO GO TO AN OLD POOL. I MEAN, THE RESTROOMS STINK. I MEAN, IT'S JUST, WE NEED BETTER FACILITIES OVER THE TIME. DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. SO IT'S, IT'S A HARD THING. THAT'S A GOOD POINT YOU BRING UP MR. WOOD. UH, BUT I GOTTA GO ON THE RECORD AND CLARIFY, SINCE WE HAVE THE PUBLIC LISTENING, WATCHING THAT, UH, NONE OF MY STAFF WHO WORKS FOR ME OR NOR I WAS INVOLVED IN TELLING ANY TYPE OF LIE TO THE COMMUNITIES AFTER, CLEAR THAT UP. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR OTHERS WHO MAY HAVE BEEN HERE AND I CAN'T VALIDATE THAT HAPPENS OR NOT. SO I GOTTA CLEAR THAT UP, NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO IS, UH, TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU DECIDED TO GO THESE ACQUIRED FACILITY? YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND THEY'RE MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE. AND WHAT WE CAN'T DO IS MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE WE MADE WHEN WE USED TO HAVE ABOUT 40 SOMETHING FOODS ALL ACROSS THIS CITY. AND WE GOTTA GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT HISTORY. THOSE WERE MUCH CHEAPER, BILL, AND WE HAD A WHOLE LOT MORE COMMUNITY POOL THAN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. WE HAD THESE LITTLE, WHAT I CALL BATHTUBS BECAUSE WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAD A BATHTUB. THEY HAD NO FILTRATION SYSTEM ON 'EM JUST TO SATISFY EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY HAD A POOL. AND THEN WE WENT TO THESE COMMUNITY POOLS AND SPREAD 'EM ALL OUT THROUGH ALL THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN WE OH, EXCEPT ONE DISTRICT 12. YEAH, RIGHT THAT WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SMELLY BATHROOMS. YOU JUST WANT A POOL. YEAH. EXCEPT DISTRICT 12. AND THEN, AND THEN WE REALIZED THAT OKAY, WE OVERSATURATED THE ENTIRE PARK OF ALL THESE POS AND THEN YOU GOTTA GET, TAKE THEM ALL OUT, BUT THE CUSTOMERS WON'T DO RIVER CABLE, ALL THE BILLS AND WHISTLES TO HELP THESE POOLS. IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT THEY WANT IS THE SAME THING. YOU ARE GETTING AT A MUCH SMALLER VERSION. THEY WANT THE BAHAMA BEACHES, BUT THEY WANT A SMALLER VERSION. THEY COST A LOT MORE MONEY TO BUILD AND BEING PHYSICALLY RESPONSIBLE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE FUNDS AS A CITY TO GO BUILD 25 OF THESE. NOW, THESE COSTS, WE WE'RE TRYING TO SEE IF WE CAN KEEP 'EM AROUND 6 MILLION NOW TO BUILD A NEW SMALL ONES. WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE FUNDS TO GO BUILD 25 OR 30 OF THESE IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WE WAS LUCKY WHEN WE SOLD THE LGB ROBINSON PROPERTY, WE GOT $35 MILLION TO GO, OR I THINK IT WAS $38 MILLION THAT JUMP STARTED US REPLACING THESE FOODS. AND SO AS I EXPLAINED TO COUNCIL YESTERDAY, I CAN IN GOOD CONSCIENCE RECOMMEND THIS BOARD OR THE COUNCIL THAT YOU ALL CONTINUE TO KEEP OPERATING THESE COMMUNITY POOLS. IF YOU WANT US TO BRING OUR PARK PATRON INTO THE 21ST CENTURY WITH BETTER QUALITY SWIMMING POOLS AND SPRAY GROUND AND SPRAY PADS THAT THEY DESERVE, IT IS NOT JUST THE UPFRONT MONEY EITHER. IT'S THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE EITHER MS. YES, I DO WANNA PIGGY BACK ON WHAT YOU JUST STATED. UM, ALTHOUGH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DECOMMISSIONING OF UH, POOLS, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE SOME OF THEM MAY INVOLUNTARILY DECOMMISSION BECAUSE WE'LL BE UNABLE TO REPAIR THEM. AND SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE BASING DURING THE OFF SEASON. WE START, YOU KNOW, TAKING THINGS DOWN FROM THIS SEASON. WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR SYSTEMS, WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE WHAT'S WORKING. OUR TEAMS, THEY'RE DOING INSPECTIONS. THERE IS A STRONG LIKELIHOOD THAT SOME JUST MAY NOT MAKE IT TO 2026. WE HAVE DUCT TAPED, WE HAVE BANDAID, WE HAVE SUPER GLUED, WE HAVE BIG RAW PARTS. WE NO LONGER HAVE AN INVENTORY TO [01:40:01] BE ABLE TO PREPARE THIS. AND SO, ALTHOUGH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT I IDENTIFYING TWO, I NEED US TO KNOW UPFRONT THAT THERE IS A STRONG POSSIBILITY THAT SOME OF THEM MAY BE INVOLUNTARILY DECOMMISSIONED BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF . OUR YOUNGEST FACILITY JUST TURNED 50, SO LET THEM, OUR YOUNGEST LEGACY POOL JUST TURNED 50 THIS YEAR. AND SO WE, WE HAVE DONE TO PARK BOARD MEMBER EM'S POINT, WE HAVE DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB LIMPING ALONG THIS LONG JUST WANNA MAKE MOND. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. UH, SINCE I JUST WANNA GO ON, UM, A POINT, AND TO JOHN'S POINT, AS FAR AS IT RELATES TO GLENVILLE, UM, I'M GRATEFUL THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER OPTION BECAUSE MY, I'M OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS AND JUST WHAT THE COMMUNITY GOES WHERE I'M THINKING I DESERVE. I THINK THE COMMUNITY DESERVES BETTER THAN A 7-YEAR-OLD PARK. AND SO I WOULD HATE FOR US TO KEEP GROWING BAD, GOOD MONEY TOWARDS BAD THINGS THAT WE'LL NEVER MEET UP TO CURRENT STANDARDS. SO I AM SUPPORTING THE CLOSING OF THE PARK. 'CAUSE I THINK THEY DESERVE BETTER. AND WE WANT TO PUT SOMETHING AND WE HAVE IDEAS FOR PLANS TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY BETTER. SO I, LIKE I SAID THE LAST TIME, I DON'T BELIEVE IN TAKING, WITHOUT SHOWING WHAT'S GOING TO COME. AND HOPEFULLY WE HAVE SOME PLANS SOON TO SHOW WHAT WILL COME. BUT THAT IS THE REASON WHY I AM SUPPORTING THE CLOSING TO CRYSTAL'S POINT. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE PARTS, A LOT OF THESE SCHOOLS WILL NOT SURVIVE. AND WE CAN NOT CONTINUE TO BECAUSE I, I JUST BELIEVE ALL THE COMMUNITIES DESERVE BETTER AND IT HAS TO LOOK DIFFERENT TO JOHN'S POINT. BUT WE CAN'T, WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE. WE CAN'T JUST KEEP SAYING THAT, BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD. SO AS SOMEONE WHO'S TAKING THE HIT, I WANNA SAY IT TO ALL MY COLLEAGUES, I'M TAKING THE HIT NOW SO THAT WE CAN HAVE BETTER LATER. AND SO, AND I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO HAVE THAT STANCE AT SOME POINT. SO JUST WANNA, UH, MS. COLLINS, BRADNER, THANK YOU. AND VINAY, I AGREE WITH ALL OF YOUR POINTS. AND JOHN, I THINK YOU NAILED IT. I FEEL LIKE A BROKEN RECORD THAT I SAID THIS LAST YEAR. WE HAVE TO RIP THE BANDAID OFF LIKE WE SET THE BUDGET WITH STAFF. OBVIOUSLY COUNCIL CAN OVERRULE US, BUT WE WILL KEEP KICKING THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD. AND AS JOHN PERFECTLY SAID, WE SPENT $75 MILLION BECAUSE OF, WITH THE AQUATICS PLAN OVER REALLY TWO BOND PROGRAMS. AND WE'VE GOTTEN GORGEOUS FACILITIES THAT PEOPLE WANT TO USE AND THAT WE CAN GET SPONSORS FOR. NO ONE WANTS TO SPONSOR THE COMMUNITY POOL THAT'S IN TERRIBLE CONDITION THAT NO ONE GOES TO. AND I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO BE REALISTIC. IF WE'RE ONLY FACED WITH CUT CUTTING A FEW POOLS LIBRARY, THERE ARE FIVE LIBRARIES ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK RIGHT NOW. AND I WILL ARGUE EVERY DAY THAT LIBRARIES PROVIDE MORE VALUE THAN COMMUNITY POOLS BECAUSE THEY'RE OPEN ALL YEAR ROUND AND WE CAN'T FIND THE STAFFING, WE CAN'T FIND THE PARTS. UM, WE GOTTA JUST ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. AND I'VE ONLY GOT TWO MEETINGS LEFT. I GET THAT Y'ALL WILL, YOU CAN KE KEEP HASHING THIS OUT IN FUTURE, UM, MEETINGS. BUT COMMUNITY POOLS HAVE SERVED A GREAT PURPOSE AND WE'RE NOT ABANDONING AQUATICS. SO WE'VE GOT THESE STELLAR OTHER DESTINATION, UM, THE REGIONAL AQUATIC CENTERS NEW SPRAY GROUND THAT WILL BE COMING ONLINE. AND I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO BE REALISTIC WITH THE COST OF THE MAINTENANCE. AND I DO SUPPORT CLOSING MORE THAN TWO POOLS. WE JUST NEED EXACTLY WHAT JOHN SAID. UM, WE'VE JUST GOTTA OWN UP TO THIS AND MAYBE MORE THAN TWO ARE GONNA NOT EVEN BE FUNCTIONAL NEXT YEAR. SO I, AS MUCH AS YOU KNOW, IT'S UNPOPULAR, I'M NOT RUNNING FOR OFFICE. I DON'T LIKE, I THINK IT'S TIME WE JUST, AND LIKE BE DONE. WE, I SAID THIS LAST YEAR AND WE PIECEMEALED IT TOGETHER WITH A FEW DAYS HERE AND THERE. IT'S AN UNPOPULAR OPINION, BUT LIKE I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR EIGHT YEARS AND I'M TIRED OF US WASTING MONEY, THROWING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD AND WHEN WE'VE INVESTED ELSEWHERE THAT MANY PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY CAN USE. SO, UH, THAT'S MY PIECE. HERE'S MY MIC DROP. THAT WAS AWESOME. UH, MR. DICKEY, UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, I AGREE WITH MY ESTEEMED COLLEAGUE AND FELLOW, UH, FRESHMAN CLASS MEMBER, MS. COLLINS. BRATTON. IT'S TIME FOR THE BANDAID RIP. UH, BUT I HAVE A [01:45:01] QUESTION. UM, AS, AND AS FOR STAFF, UH, YOU KNOW, JC ZARAGOZA, UH, I CAN TESTIFY THAT'S A LIMP, THAT'S A LIMPING LINGERING PROBLEM WE'VE HAD FOR MY TENURE ON PARK BOARD. WE'VE CLOSED IT AND TRIED TO FIX IT TWICE. WE SPENT MONEY COMES BACK, IT DIDN'T GET FIXED. FINALLY OUR COUNCIL MEMBER NARVA DECIDED TO TAKE HIS 2024 BOND MONEY AND JUST BUILD A NEW POOL. THE ONLY ONE IN THE CITY, WHICH I THINK IS A WONDERFUL IDEA. SO THE, MY QUESTION IS, IT SEEMS, GIVEN THAT WE'RE GONNA GET A NEW POOL AT JCS ZA THEN THE, OBVIOUSLY THE CURRENT POOL WOULD CLOSE. DOES THAT MEAN THEN THAT AND UM, THIS COULD BE THE NUMBER THREE. I MEAN, YOU JUST, IT'S GONNA CLOSE ANYHOW WHEN WE BUILD THE NEW POOL OUT, RIGHT? SO WOULD NOT THE, COULD WE NOT CANNIBALIZE THE EQUIPMENT THERE FOR AND CONSIDER THAT SORT OF THE THIRD CLOSURE OR WHAT'S THE SITUATION THERE? SO WHAT I, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, AND I'M, I'M ASKING RANDALL CARNER TO COME UP AGAINST THAT INFORMATION WITH THEM. I WANNA KNOW, DO, HAVE WE RECEIVED THE SALE OF THE BONDS SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST START DESIGN? BUT IF IT'S NOT GONNA SELL FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS, THEN IT WOULDN'T BE A RECOMMENDATION THIS YEAR. IT MAY BE THE FOLLOWING YEAR. 'CAUSE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS IT'S GONNA TAKE US ALMOST SIX MONTHS TO JUST REMOVE THE CURRENT. GONNA TAKE US ABOUT SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS JUST TO GET THE DESIGN DONE. GO AHEAD. YES SIR. THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS THE DESIGN FUNDING IS AVAILABLE. CONSTRUCTION FUNDING. OKAY. UH, MR. JENKINS, COULD YOU REPEAT WHAT DIRECT ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, DEPUTY DIRECTOR O'CONNOR JUST SAID? I COULDN'T HEAR IT. YES, SIR. MR. DICKEY. SO THE, THE DESIGN FUNDING IS AVAILABLE NOW. THE CONSTRUCTION FUNDING IS AVAILABLE IN YEAR THREE OF THE BOND PROGRAM. MR. DICKEY, YOU'RE ON MUTE. SO THE, THEN THIS WOULD BE, IT'S TOO EARLY NOW TO BEGIN TO CONSIDER USING JCS AIR ERGOS EQUIPMENT AS THE THIRD CLOSING. YES SIR. THE FUNDING IS NOT, THE CONSTRUCTION FUNDING IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR SOME ADDITIONAL TIME. HOWEVER, WE COULD INITIATE A SIGN EFFORT FROM THE PROJECTS. OKAY, GREAT. AND, UH, JUST A FINAL COMMENT ON THE BIG PICTURE. UM, I'M TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AT STEPHEN J HAY ELEMENTARY AT THE CORNER OF HERSCHEL AND GILBERT. AND ON OUR SCHOOL GROUNDS WAS ONE OF THOSE LITTLE BATHTUB TYPE POOLS THAT DIRECTOR JENKINS REFERRED TO. AND, UH, IT WAS, IT WAS, UH, WEIRD AND IT, THEY ENDED UP CLOSING IT AND AS HE MENTIONED, SO WE EVOLVED. AND MY POINT IS THAT OUR AQUATICS HAS EVOLVED IN THIS PARK DEPARTMENT AND IT'S CONTINUING TO, AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD NEWS THING. WE'VE GOT A NEW MASTER PLAN FOR AQUATICS COMING UP SOON. SO I THINK IT'S ALL GOOD. AND I AGREED WITH CALVERT COLLINS BRATTON THAT WE JUST NEED TO MOVE INTO OUR NEXT PHASE AND THE CLOSURE OF THESE POOLS IS, FITS THAT MODEL. THANKS MR. GOLDSTEIN. UM, I JUST QUICKLY WANNA REITERATE, I ALSO SUPPORT CLOSING QUICKLY OR AT LEAST, UM, DOCUMENTING EXACTLY WHAT THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR YEARS LOOK LIKE. SO HOPEFULLY IT'S MAYBE A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR A DIFFERENT LOOKING PARK BOARD AND POTENTIALLY COUNCIL IN THE COMING YEARS, UM, TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE PLAN. SO I, I JUST DON'T WANNA REPEAT THE, THIS DEBATE. UM, WE KNOW A LOT OF MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD ARE TURNING OVER A COUPLE WEEKS. SO, UM, BUT YEAH, I SUPPORT BEING CLEAR THAT THIS IS THE PLAN AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IN THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AND MORE, MORE, IT MAKES SENSE THIS YEAR WITH SOME SENSITIVITY TO THE, OBVIOUSLY THE PARK BOARD MEMBERS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE, WHO HAVE POOLS. 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY THAT ARE CLOSE THAT ARE ON THE CHOP BLOCK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. GOLD. SEE MR. HUERTO, UH, I, I ALSO AGREE WITH ALL MY FELLOW POWER BOARD MEMBERS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A PLAN TO START FACING THEM OUT WITHIN THE NEXT 2, 3, 4 YEARS, WHATEVER THE PLAN IS. IF IT'S EIGHT FULL, MAYBE TWO A YEAR, IF IT'S THREE, IF IT'S NINE POSTS, MAYBE THREE A YEAR AND JUST START PHA THEM OUT. 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALL AGING AND THEY'RE COSTING US. WE SAW WHAT THE, I THINK THE CHEAPEST ONE WAS LIKE $30 PER PERSON PER VISIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UH, THE AVERAGE. UH, SO I, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF PLAN MOVING FORWARD. SO OTHER NEW PART BOARD MEMBERS AS THEY COME IN, THEY KNOW THAT WE KIND OF HAD A PLAN AND HOPEFULLY THEY CAN FOLLOW IT AND STAY TRUE TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY POINT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. ROBERTA, MS. NY, THANK YOU. UM, YEAH, I, I THINK FOR ME, [01:50:01] IN HEARING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SPENT 75 MILLION, WE HAD AN AQUATICS MASTER PLAN THAT PEOPLE WORKED REALLY HARD ON TO MAKE SURE IT WAS WHAT EVERYBODY WANTED. FAST FORWARD, WE DIDN'T KIND OF FOLLOW UP ON THAT HARD PART OF IT, WHICH WAS DECOMMISSIONING THE POOLS AFTER WE HAD DONE THAT. SO I AM IN FAVOR OF CLOSING AS MANY POOLS AS WE NEED TO. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF 'EM ARE GONNA PROBABLY SELF-SELECT THAT THEY JUST BROKE DOWN. I THINK THE BIGGER CHALLENGE FOR, I'M GONNA PUT IT TO YOU AND TO STAFF FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH ANY NEW PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING HERE, IS BUILDING THE NARRATIVE. LIKE HOW YOU JUST EXPLAINED IT TO ME MAKES PERFECT SENSE. WE HAD A PLAN. WE SAID WE WERE GONNA DECOMMISSION THESE POOLS. WE BUILT THESE SET OF POOLS. WE WERE STRATEGIC, WE LOOKED AT THE MAP, WE MADE SURE EVERYBODY GOT AS FAIR OF A SHAKE AS POSSIBLE. I THINK IF, IF YOU HAVE A REALLY GOOD NARRATIVE, WE'RE ALL RATIONAL PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL GONNA SIT AROUND AND GO, OKAY, YOU, YOU DID YOUR HOMEWORK, YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IT, YOU WERE THOUGHTFUL, YOU SET OUT AN ATTENTION, YOU DID IT. AND NOW WE'RE JUST DOING, YOU KNOW, THE TOUGH LOVE PART OF IT, THE RIP THE BANDAID PART OFF, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE, I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU TO, TO WALK INTO THIS ROOM WITH THAT EXPLAINED IN A VERY CLEAR WAY. AND HERE IS OUR, HERE IS OUR PLAN FOR DECOMMISSIONING THEM. WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE OLDEST ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE MOST CHALLENGES IN THEIR CURRENT EQUIPMENT AND JUST LAY IT ALL OUT. THEN IT DOESN'T BECOME A, YOU WALK IN THE ROOM OR WE'RE CLOSING ALL THE POOLS. IT'S LIKE, WELL OF COURSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA LOSE THEIR MINDS. BUT IF YOU HAVE THE NARRATIVE AND THE STORY AND HOW DO WE GET HERE FOR PEOPLE LIKE US WHO ARE NEW OR ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE NEW, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO HAVE THAT BACKSTORY. AND THEN YOU'LL GET MUCH LESS PUSHBACK. I THINK WE'RE ALL SITTING HERE SAYING, THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. LET'S JUST DO IT. AS WITH AS MUCH SENSITIVITY AROUND THE NEED AS POSSIBLE. AND THEN YOU ALSO NEED TO SELL THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE THAT'S THE OTHER PART OF THE NARRATIVE. NOW I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT NOW I NEED TO GO OUT TO MY CONSTITUENTS AND SAY, WE DID THIS IN A THOUGHTFUL WAY. THIS JUST WASN'T US DECIDING WE NEEDED MONEY AND WE PULLED YOUR POOL. SO THAT'S MY CHALLENGE TO YOU, IS TO BUILD THE NARRATIVE SO THAT WHEN WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND TALK ABOUT WHY WE'RE DOING THIS, PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT WAS THOUGHTFUL. YEAH. ALONG THOSE LINES. AND I, AND 'CAUSE I'M HEARING WE SHOULD CLOSE MORE PROBABLY MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO, TO COME UP WITH THE PLAN OF, WELL, WE KNOW THREE POOLS PER YEAR AND WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THOSE THAT DO HAVE FUNDING FOR REPLACEMENT ANYWAY, GIVING YOU ALL THE TIMELINE, WE START DESIGN, BUT FIRST WE START TO REMOVE, REMEMBER, IT IS GOING TO TAKE US SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS TO REMOVE THE EXISTING POOPS. AND SO WE COME BACK WITH THE TIMELINE OF HERE'S THE TIMELINE TODAY Y'ALL HAVE DECIDE BASED ON THIS CRITERIA, HERE'S THREE. AND THEN WE CAN YOU ON WITH THAT WHOLE PLAN OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS. HERE'S THE FOODS, HERE'S THE REMOVAL PLAN, HERE'S THE DESIGN PLAN, HERE'S THE CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE, HERE'S ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE BUILT TO SUPPORT YOUR COMMUNICATION. YES, THEY KNOW. OKAY, MR. AGAIN, THE POINT I WAS GONNA MAKE IS IT'S KIND OF ALREADY BEEN MADE DESCRIBING OFF OF, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE FACT THAT IT'S A POOL, IT'S A PROMISE BECAUSE COMMUNITY, THE, THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT OF WHAT THESE MEANT, IT'S ALL EXPERIENCES HAVE BEEN HAVE THERE AND THERE'S THE FEAR AND THE CONCERN THAT THERE'S GONNA BE BREAK OF ASSISTING COMMUNITY OR JUST YOU. SOMETHING'S GONNA FIZZLE OUT AND IT'S GONNA BE LOST. AND THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT PIECE FOR US TO RECOGNIZE. THIS ISN'T JUST A HEARTLESS DECISION NUMBERS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, CUTTING THIS OUT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S THE EASIEST LOW HANGING FRUIT. WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF POSITIONS HERE HAVE SHIFTED SIGNIFICANTLY AND TIME BEFORE I WAS FRIEND. THE FACT THAT I THINK EVERYBODY'S SORT OF, YOU KNOW, VOICING VERY SIMILAR OPINIONS LIKE THAT MEANS SOMETHING HAS BEEN WELL THOUGHT OUT AND THE MASTER PLAN EXISTS. AND WHEN IT COMES TO THESE, UM, SPLASH PAD SPRAY PADS, UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS AT THE OLD SOUTH PARK UNVEILING AND IT WAS A LOT OF FUN, YOU KNOW, BEING THERE AND SEEING THAT. AND I INVITE PEOPLE WHEN THEY THINK ABOUT THE REPLACEMENT OF A COMMUNITY POOL WITH THE SPLASH PAD. THE SPLASH PADS ARE INTERACTIVE. KIDS RUN AROUND, THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO IN THERE. I THINK THAT A KID'S GONNA ENJOY BEING ON A SPLASH PAD, OTHER KIDS RUNNING AROUND IN A GLEEFUL STATE THAN JUST SITTING IN A 70-YEAR-OLD POOL. AND THAT IS WHAT'S COMING, RIGHT? THESE NEW FACILITIES. UM, AND PERHAPS SO WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE WHO HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTROL DISCRETIONARY FUNDS, UH, WHO MAY BE MORE SO IN THEIR COMMUNITY BY SOMETHING LIKE THIS CLOSING THAT THEY THINK [01:55:01] ABOUT DIRECTING SYSTEMS, UM, AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE ONE IN DISTRICT FIVE. SURE. SOMETHING REAL MATTERS IN YOUR COMMUNITY, THEN THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS TO, YOU KNOW, FIND AGAINST, REPLACE WHAT NEEDS TO GO. AND THAT'S BUT NOT THE COMMUNITY. THANKS MR. . THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. YEAH. WE'LL SEE. WE'LL SEE. UM, SO SOMEONE'S TO SAY, BUT TWO MINUTES. UM, FIRST OF ALL, SHOUT OUT TO MS. AMMOND. HEY, YOU'RE MY MVP RIGHT NOW SAID ABOUT YOUR OWN POOL. IT'S, IT, IT TO, TO TAKE THAT TO OWN THAT FIXED STATEMENTS. YOU'RE MIAMI RIGHT NOW. UM, BUT I KNOW WE HEARD THIS, UH, THIS PHASED PLAN AND, AND I LIKE THAT. UH, UH, AN AN ATTAINABLE PLAN. SOMETHING THAT'S MEASURABLE. YOU KNOW, THREE POOLS THIS YEAR. THREE, AND WE GOT NINE POOLS. SO THREE, THREE AND THREE, OKAY. UH, OR IF WE WANNA DO TWO, DOUBLE UP TO FOUR NEXT YEAR AND THEN YOU GOT THREE LEFT OVER. IF MY MATH IS RIGHT, YOU COMMUNICATE PLAN AND YOU JUST BE UP FRONT AND HONEST. IT'S SOMETHING EASY FOR THIS PART BOARD. THE NEXT PART BOARD TO STOMACH RATHER THAN JUST CLOSING ALL NINE. I, I'LL DOUBLE DOWN ON THIS. HAD WE CLOSED NINE LAST YEAR, IT WOULD'VE BEEN A REALLY BIG, BIG MISTAKE. SO GLAD THAT WE GOT CREATIVE AND WE JUST SHAVED A COUPLE OF DAYS OFF HERE AND THERE KEPT 'EM OPEN. NOW WHAT'S UNFORTUNATE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DATA THAT THE DAILY USAGE DIDN'T INCREASE, DIDN'T INCREASE IN THOSE POOLS ALL THAT MUCH OR EVEN AT ALL, WHICH TELLS US THAT LOOK, DESPITE OUR BEST EFFORTS TO TURN A COUPLE DAYS OFF, MAKE THOSE SUSTAINABLE FOR ONE LAST SEASON, WE DID NOT GET THE SPIKE IN DAILY USAGE THAT WE WERE HOPING FOR. THAT TO ME TELLS US, OKAY, THE COMMUNITIES HAVE EMBRACED FOR THIS. THEY'RE BRACING FOR IMPACT, A PHASE PLAN. LET'S, LET'S CONSIDER THREE, THREE AND THREE. JUST KEEP IT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN FACE 'EM ONE TO TWO YEARS APART. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT DOES? THAT TAKES US A REAL NICE AND SMOOTH INTO THE NEXT BOND PLANNING PHASE. OKAY? IT TAKES ME TO MY NEXT POINT. YOU KNOW, WHEN BOND PLANNING STARTS, IT STARTS NOW, IT STARTS YESTERDAY. ADVOCATES OUT THERE NEED TO BE FORMING AND STORMING AND, AND AND COMING UP WITH IDEAS OF WHAT THEY WANNA SEE IN THAT NEXT BOND. 20 30, 20 31 WHENEVER IT IS. DIRECTOR JENKINS, YOU SAID THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE WANT. IS IT HOW MANY PEOPLE CAME AND SPOKE TO US ABOUT IN THIS LAST BOT COUNCIL DISTRICT 14? NOBODY EVEN TALK TO ME ABOUT A SPRAY GROUND OR A SPLASH PAD. THEY TALKED TO ME ABOUT REC CENTERS. YOU KNOW WHAT WE GOT? WE GOT A REC CENTER, A LITTLE GIRL NAMED VITA. SHE WAS SEVEN YEARS OLD. SHE CAME AND TALKED TO US ABOUT A PLAYGROUND. YOU KNOW WHAT, SHE GOT A PLAYGROUND. SOMETIMES IT TAKES A VILLAGE, SOMETIMES IT JUST TAKES ONE PERSON. PEOPLE GOTTA KNOW THAT. UH, AND THEN I'M GONNA CLOSE TO A WILD IDEA. FIVE KS, YOU GO RUN A 5K MAKES A LOT OF MONEY. WHY DON'T WE DO A LAZY RIVER, 5K. IT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU CAN, IT IS GET THESE COVES GOING, LET'S RAISE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR A YEAR END BATCH. PUT IT ALL INTO THE MAINTENANCE OF THESE POOLS. LAZY RIVER 5K, WHICH ALL THINKING AROUND FOR FIVE. UM, THAT'S MY MIC DROP. ANY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, FOR THE BUDGET UPDATE, DECLARE, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. SO GO THREE POOLS BASED ON THE CRITERIA TO RANK IT OR, UH, . I THINK THERE ARE CLEAR CUT. THE TOP THREE ARE LISTED AS ER, GLENDALE, AND WALNUT HILL. OKAY. SO LET'S WALK THROUGH THAT REAL QUICK. SO STRONG WALLER, THEY USED THE CRITERIA AND WE END UP PUTTING A NEW, THERE'S A NEW SPRAY GROUND THERE. , WHAT, FOUR YEARS AGO? OKAY. UH, WHAT'S THE SECOND ONE ON THE LIST? LINDA? DALE. Y'ALL HEARD THE DISCUSSION TODAY IT WILL RECEIVE A REPLACEMENT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS AS I PLANS IN THE WORKS OKAY. OR HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED. UH, THE THIRD, I KNOW YOU RECOMMENDED HILL. UH, ONLY QUESTION I HAVE FOR THERE 'CAUSE MR. DICKEY BROUGHT UP A GOOD QUESTION AND I NEED RONALD O'CONNOR TO CLARIFY AGAIN. SO IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT JC AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE, WE ALREADY HAD THE FUNDING FOR THE DESIGN, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. WE HAVE THE FUNDING FOR THE DESIGN. AND YOU SAID THE CONSTRUCTION, WE WILL RECEIVE THE CONSTRUCTION FUND IN YEAR THREE. SO WE'RE JUST SO THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND 'CAUSE WE ARE IN YEAR TWO OF THE BAR PROGRAM. WE ARE IN YEAR ONE. WE ARE STILL IN YEAR ONE. UH, OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR, WE'LL BE ENTERING YEAR TWO. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO PUBLIC UNDERSTAND. SO WE ALREADY HAVE FUNDING FOR JC I MEAN FOR THE DESIGN. THAT'S CORRECT. WE [02:00:01] HAD, WE COULD START CONSTRUCTION IN ABOUT TWO YEARS. YES. DOES THAT BE THE SAME TIMELINE? PRETTY MUCH WE'RE SAYING BETWEEN REMOVING THE POOLS, WHICH IS GOING TO TAKE US ALMOST EIGHT MONTHS TO REMOVE THREE POOLS, THEN WE HAVE TO SPEND ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS JUST ON THE DESIGN. 'CAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING THE COMMUNITY INPUT AND WE WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO DO THAT. SO YOU COULD SEE WE'RE ALREADY IN A YEAR AND A HALF TO, I WOULD SAY THE DESIGN EFFORT WOULD PROBABLY BE CLOSER TO YOU GIVING ALL THE CON YOU KNOW, CONTRACTUAL THINGS THAT NEED TO BE APPROVED. OKAY. AND THEN WE COULD LITERALLY START CONSTRUCTION IN ABOUT TWO YEARS. SO I HAVE TO DEFER BACK TO MR. DICKEY ON THIS ONE. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE HE HAD THAT INFORMATION. YEAH. MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE TO, IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO NOT HAVE JC CLOSED FOR A, FOR A SEASON, A SUMMER SEASON. BUT YOU ALL KNOW BEST WHAT THE TIMING SHOULD BE. UM, SO I'M JUST GLAD WE'RE GETTING A NEW COMMUNITY POOL AT JC ZA WITHIN THREE OR FOUR YEARS. BUT I DON'T KNOW. UH, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT PERHAPS, UH, JC WOULD BE THE THIRD ONE OR THAT EVERY THE IT WOULD STILL BE GLENDALE, GRA WEILER AND WALNUT HILL. BUT I'M GONNA LEAVE IT UP TO THE BOARD. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HIT THE FACTS. 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE ON THE SAME PATH FOR BOTH OF THEM. IF WE DECIDE TO GO WITH JC, WE GONNA, ARE ANY OF THEM LIKE REALLY BAD MECHANICALLY THAT MIGHT, YOU MIGHT ACCELERATE. I HAVE TO DEFER TO MR. . SEE, YOU KNOW, EVERY INCH OF THESE , ALL THE COMMUNITY, ALL THE COMMUNITY CALLS ARE LIKE ON THE EMERGENCY STATE. SO THEY'RE SURVIVING. LIKE, UH, ROSS, UH, EXPLAIN AT ANY TIME, MAYBE LIKE BY THE TIME THAT WE'RE TRYING TO RESTART NEXT YEAR, SOMETHING MIGHT HAPPEN. WHETHER IT'S A SHELL MECHANICAL OR EVEN THE, THE, SO ONE OF THAT MIGHT NOT JUST CANCEL, MIGHT NOT BE WORTH. OKAY, SO I TO DO ALL FOUR, I'M SORRY, I, I UP THAT YOU DO WHAT? WE HAVE FOUR THAT ARE MIGHT NOT MAKE IT TO 2026 ANYWAY. WHY NOT SO POPULAR. I'LL SAY IT. I THINK THEY'RE GONNA SELF-SELECT IS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. ? YEAH, I THINK THEY'RE JUST GONNA STOP WORKING AND THEN THE DECISION WILL BE MADE FOR US. LAST YEAR WE HAD THREE THAT WE HAD MAJOR WEEK ISSUES. THE I STAFF WHEN THEY WERE ABLE WERE THOSE, ARE THOSE THE TOP THREE? NO, THOSE WERE WE JUST LIKE, WE CLOSED LAST YEAR. OKAY. YEAH. ON THE TOP FOR WAS CLOSED LAST YEAR. SO THEY'RE, I I'M PROBABLY GONNA PROBABLY RATHER DO RECOMMEND THAT WE GO 3 3 3 3, 3, 3. OKAY. ONLY BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE FINN TO FINISH UP THAT MASTER PLAN. YEAH. 3 3 3 3 EN UNLESS IT SELF SELECT FIRST. EXACTLY. AND WE CAN, WE CAN VOTE ON THAT. AND EVERYBODY NODS WE'RE YEAH. YEP, YEP, YEP. GOOD. YES, YES, YES'. WITH THE TOP THREE ON THE RECOMMENDATION. NOW WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESIDENT, . GOOD. UH, PERFECT. ANY LIAISON REPORTS? YEAH. FIRST HOW ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE? UH, WE'VE GOT HISPANIC HERITAGE COMING UP AT THE ARBORETUM, SO, UH, CHECK THAT OUT AND COME IF YOU CAN. IT'S OLIVER. AWESOME. MR. KAMI THIS EVENING. CITY PARK, 6:00 PM THERE IS A CONCERT THERE. DALLAS LIVE IN THE PARK. PLEASE ATTEND. YOU WANNA GO BEFORE ? CITY PARK. OH, WHICH BAND IS IT? OH, UH, PARDON ME. I DON'T KNOW. THIS GROUP. MAYBE MIGHT. UH, THE ROB BERT. UH, THEY LOOK LIKE A FUN BUN. YEAH, SOUNDS LIKE IT. A COKE OR DANCING OR SOMETHING. . SOMETHING YOU MIGHT BE INTO. GIVE IT A TRY. GET YOUR MARGARITA. ANY OTHER LIAISON REPORTS? YES, SIR. . OH, HAPPY NEW YEAR. FIRST OF ALL, [02:05:01] I WANT EVERYBODY TO GET THEIR OUTFIT READY. UH, GET BIG TEXT COMING TO TOWN. AND CONTRARY TO BELIEF, WE'RE ALWAYS THINKING, WELL, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPENS, BUT THE STATE FAIR, I GOTTA GIVE IT TO THEIR ORGANIZATION AND FOUND THEY'RE STILL GIVING OUT SCHOLARSHIPS AND DOING DIFFERENT THINGS. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE UNIQUE, UH, PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE HAVE IN THIS TOWN. GET READY. WE'RE COMING. GOOD REMINDER. UH, ANYBODY ELSE, ANY STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS? DONE? PERFECT. THE NEXT PARK BOARD MEETING WILL BE ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2025 AT 10:00 AM HERE, UM, WITH NO OTHER BUSINESS. UH, WE NOW ADJOURN THE, UH, PARK BOARD MEETING AT 12:08 PM MEETING. GOOD TO MEET. THANK YOU MR. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.