* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Special Landmark on September 6, 2025.] [00:00:03] , THE SECOND BRIEFING WE'VE HAD FOR SEPTEMBER THIS WEEK, , BUT IT IS 10 30 ON SEPTEMBER 6TH, AND I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER. UM, ELAINE, COULD YOU PLEASE TAKE, UM, ROLL CALL PRESENT. COMMISSIONER ETT IS ONLINE PRESENT. I JOINED. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. PRESENT. SHE'S NOT VICE CHAIR. PRESENT. PRESENT, PRESENT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU ELAINE. UH, WE DO NOT NEED TO REPEAT THE, WE'LL BE REARRANGING OUR AGENDA IN A DIFFERENT WAY TODAY BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THAT ABSOLUTELY MUST BE HEARD TODAY. ? CHRISTINA'S WAVING AT ME LIKE I SHUSH. OH, OKAY. THERE ARE SOME THAT MUST BE HEARD TODAY, SO THERE ARE SOME THAT MAY NOT MAKE IT BECAUSE WE ARE REQUIRED TO LEAVE BY FOUR O'CLOCK. NOT, NOT BY ME, BY BY SECURITY. IF THEY WANT US OUT BY FOUR O'CLOCK. OKAY, SO STEPH, UM, I THINK YOU SHOULD DECIDE WHICH AGENDA ITEMS YOU NEED TO WHAT ORDER YOU SHOULD ADDRESS THIS ABOUT THEM. WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH THE DISCUSSION ITEMS, UM, QUICKLY. LIKE WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO DETAIL, BUT JUST ENOUGH TO GET PEOPLE, GET IT INTO THE RECORD AND PEOPLE CAN ASK QUESTIONS. OKAY. SO AM I DOING MY PRESENTATION FROM THE BRIEFING OR READING IT INTO THE RECORD? YEAH, I, I MEAN THE PRESENTATION. YEAH. OKAY. BUT THAT IT, THAT WE CAN DO IT QUICKLY. . OKAY. READ QUICKLY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. DISCUSSION ITEM D ONE. IT'S 8 0 5 M STREET. WE SAW THIS LAST MONTH AND WHAT IT'S COME BACK TO US FOR THIS TIME AROUND IS A REVISION IN FENESTRATION AS WELL AS THE REQUEST AGAIN TO INSTALL VINYL WINDOWS. HOWEVER, SOME CHANGES HAVE HAPPENED SINCE TUESDAY REGARDING THE VINYL WINDOWS STAFF APPROVAL REGARDING THE CHANGES. OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE CHANGES IN FENESTRATION FOR APPROVAL AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE VINYL WINDOWS WERE APPROVAL WITH CONDITION THAT IT NOT BE VINYL INSTEAD ALUMINUM TASK FORCE. WE DID NOT HAVE A QUORUM. THEY HAD COMMENTS ONLY AND WE'LL COVER THOSE BECAUSE I DID CONTACT THE TASK FORCE MEMBER THAT MADE THE COMMENT THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE AGENDA. HE'S THE VICE CHAIR AND THAT WAS HIS SUMMARY OF THE MEETING. OKAY. BASICALLY WE KNOW IT'S FACING THE DART LINE ON PACIFIC AVENUES, SO IT'S A, IT'S AT THE CORNER OF PACIFIC AND AUSTIN. UH, THIS WAS JUST A THROWBACK PHOTO SHOWING US WHAT THE AREA LOOKS LIKE. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DATE OF THIS PICTURE, BUT THE ENTIRE PROJECT ENTAILS 8 0 5 ELM STREET, SEVEN 11 ELM STREET, AND THE OTHER BUILDINGS WITHIN THAT SQUARE HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED [00:05:01] AND THEY'RE NOW SURFACE PARKING LOTS, BUT THEY WILL BE REPLACED AS A PART OF THIS PROJECT. THIS JUST SHOWS US, UM, WHERE AGAIN, AND THAT IT'S BEEN THERE. 8 0 5 SINCE 1905. UH, THIS IS JUST THE, UH, MOTION THAT WAS MADE LAST TIME THAT, UM, THE INSTALLATION OF VINYL WINDOWS BE DENIED AND ALSO THAT THE WINDOWS AND SPAN PANEL, CONSIDERING THE ENTIRE WINDOW FENESTRATION OPENING DESIGN IS SHOWN AND DISCUSSED WAS TOO MODERN AND WILL BE AN ADVERSE OR PROVIDE AN ADVERSE EFFECT TO THE DISTRICT. THIS IS WHAT THE ORIGINAL EXISTING 8 0 5 ELM STREET LOOKS LIKE TODAY. UH, ORIGINALLY THE FRONT ELEVATION WAS THE ONE FACING THE TRACKS ON PACIFIC AVENUE AND IT WAS MOVED TO THE WEST ELEVATION THAT WE SEE HERE WHEN IT BECAME ANTIOCH CHURCH BACK IN 2013. THIS IS JUST THE LEFT AND, UH, RIGHT ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING. NO WINDOWS HAVE BEEN ENCLOSED ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION. THIS USED TO BE THE REAR ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING AND THIS FACES ELM STREET. THIS IS THE, UH, CURRENT REAR OF THE BUILDING. UH, IT HAS THE SUPER GRAPHIC SIGN WHICH WILL GO AWAY AND BE COVERED BY THE, UH, NEW ADDITION TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE EAST OF THE BUILDING. THESE ARE THE RENDERINGS. THE, UM, APPLICANT BASICALLY CH NOT CHANGED, BUT REVISE, NOT REVISED ADAM, WHICH THE CORRECT WORD. THE APPLICANT BASICALLY CORRECTED THE RENDERINGS FROM LAST TIME TO BETTER SHOW THE CORRECT COLOR OF THE BRICK AND ALSO TO SHOW THE CORRECT PROPORTIONS OF THE WINDOWS. THE OTHER THING THAT WE DID SPEAK OF LAST TIME IN ORDER TO ADDRESS TASK FORCE COMMENTS WAS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ADDED PLASTERERS ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND ALSO GROUPED PAIRS OF WINDOWS BETWEEN THE PLASTERS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE BAYS ON THE ORIGINAL BUILDING. THIS IS THE NORTH ELEVATION, THE ONE THAT'S FACING THE DARK LINE ON PACIFIC AVENUE. NOTE THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, THE ORIGINAL FRONT FACADE. AND THEN THIS IS THE, UM, ADDITION TO THE EAST. THIS IS THE PROPOSED SOUTH ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING FACING ELM STREET, AND THIS WILL BE THE RIGHT ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING AND THIS WILL BE THE REAR ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING FACING LAMAR STREET. THESE ARE THE MATERIALS THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO USE EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE. HE HAS REMOVED THAT FROM LAST MONTH'S PRESENTATION. THIS KIND OF MADE UP THE SPANGS THAT ARE NO LONGER THERE. UH, APPLICANT ALSO REPLACED THE STAG BOND WITH RUNNING BOND. OKAY. REGARDING THE WINDOWS, THE APPLICANT HAS ADDED A NEW WINDOW TO THE, UM, QUOTE OR THE LIST. REMEMBER LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT A FIXED ALUMINUM WINDOW FOR THE APPLICANT HAS FOUND A REASONABLY PRICED ALUMINUM WINDOW ONLY $165,000, MORE THAN THE CHEAPEST WINDOW. AND IT'S A CRYSTAL 2000 A SERIES AND IT DOES COME IN COLORS THAT ARE WITHIN THE MUNSELL COLOR RANGE FOR THE WEST END DISTRICT. IT ALSO HAS A THINNER PROFILE THAN THE ONE PRESENTED ON TUESDAY. THIS IS JUST THE APPLICANT'S NEW PRICE QUOTE AND THIS WINDOW OPENS, IT'S NOT FIXED, IT'S DOUBLE HUNG. OKAY. WITH RESPECT TO PRESERVATION CRITERIA, BASICALLY IT'S REGARDING THE FACADE. IT NEEDS TO HAVE AN APPROPRIATE RHYTHM. THE COLORS NEED TO BE WITHIN THE COLOR RANGE PROVIDED IN THE ORDINANCE. UH, THERE NEEDS TO BE WITH RESPECT TO PERCENTAGE OF OPENINGS OR SOLID VOID, 50% OR 30% TO 50% OPENING. AND AGAIN, IT NEEDS TO HAVE VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL RHYTHMS. THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS BASICALLY SAYS FROM NEW ADDITIONS THEY NEED TO BE COMPATIBLE AND IF REMOVED, THE ORIGINAL BUILDING NEEDS TO BE INTACT AND MAINTAIN ITS INTEGRITY. UH, WITH RESPECT TO GUIDELINES, WE SHOULDN'T ADD ANYTHING THAT IS INCOMPATIBLE TO THE EXISTING DISTRICT STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL WITH RESPECT TO THE CHANGE IN FENESTRATION, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH RESPECT TO THE WINDOWS, LIKE I SAID, VINYL IS MORE OR LESS THE RECOMMENDATION, NOT VINYL. OH GOODNESS, IT'S EARLY ALUMINUM. ALUMINUM IS THE RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. ALL ALUMINUM, ONE OVER ONE. [00:10:02] UH, TASK FORCE COMMENTS. I, LIKE I SAID, I ALSO SENT THIS REVISION TO THE TASK FORCE MEMBER THAT MADE THE COMMENT THAT'S ON THE AGENDA. HE ASSIST ASSESSED IT AND BASICALLY HIS COMMENTS ON WHAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY WERE REGARDING DETAIL. HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE DETAIL AROUND THE WINDOWS, LIKE POSSIBLY BRICK ROW, A SOLDIER ROW ABOVE THE WINDOWS, AND ALSO CONCERN ABOUT THAT DARK COLOR BRICK, BRICK COLOR NUMBER TWO. AND THAT'S IT. QUESTIONS, UM, DR. DON, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE CONCERN WITH THE DARK BRICK. MM-HMM . I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER EVERYTHING ON THE WEST END IS, DO YOU SEE DARK BRICK IN THE WEST END, MIKE? NOT ON THE CONTRIBUTING BUILDING. OKAY. QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, I'M TRYING TO SEE ON THE ELEVATIONS WHERE THE DARK BRICK IS APPLIED. UH, IT'S APPLIED ON THE GROUND FLOOR, THE PLASTER AND ON THE SIXTH FLOOR. OKAY. BUT THEY'RE RENDERED QUITE DIFFERENTLY ON THE ELEVATIONS. UM, IT'S LIKE A MEDIUM GRAY AT GROUND LEVEL AND THEN ON THE UPPER LEVEL IS IN FACT DARK. OKAY. SO WHAT COLOR IS ON THE SIXTH LEVEL? IS THAT THE METAL? YEAH, THE METAL. OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. SO THE PANEL IS ON THE SIXTH FLOOR THAT IS THIS, AND THEN ON THE GROUND FLOOR WE'RE COLOR TWO. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND USUALLY HOW I EVALUATE BRICK, UM, YOU KNOW, REGARDING COLOR MM-HMM . UH, IS MORE THE, UM, THE, THE TONE, I GUESS IS THE RIGHT WORD. IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU SQUINT YOUR EYES AND IT'S ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF REFLECTANCE, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE TRYING TO WIPE OUT THE COLOR AND JUST SEE THE BRIGHTNESS OF THE BRICK ITSELF, THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO EQUAL. UM, THE BRICK NUMBER ONE AND BRICK NUMBER TWO. MM-HMM . UM, SO IN MY MIND, THE DARK IS, UM, IS FINE. OKAY. YEAH. ALRIGHT. IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS, WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT. OKAY. UH, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 2 57 33. IF WE CAN RECALL, THIS IS THE HOUSE THAT HAS BEEN, UH, HIT A COUPLE TIMES WITH, UM, CARS. SO SHE IS WANTING TO EXTEND HER EIGHT FOOT FENCE, UH, ALMOST TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. THIS IS THE PICTURE OF THE HOUSE WITH ACTUAL VEHICULAR EXPLOSION DAMAGE. THIS WE CAN SEE AN AERIAL THAT THEY SUBMITTED OF WHERE THEIR HOUSE RESIDES ON THE CORNER. AND HERE IS THE BLUE LINE. THE RED LINE INDICATES WHERE THE FENCE CURRENTLY STOPS AND THE BLUE LINE INDICATES WHERE THE, HOW FAR UP THEY WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND IT IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE HOUSE FROM ANY FURTHER DAMAGE FROM VEHICLES OR COLLISIONS. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY. WE DISCUSSED THIS BY EXTENSIVELY ON TUESDAY. YES. IF YOU WEREN'T HERE, WE, WE ADDRESSED ISSUES OF THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE FENCE AND THE CITY'S UNWILLINGNESS TO PUT THEIR OWN TRAFFIC BLOCKING OUT IN THAT LITTLE TRIANGLE THEY OWN. AND WE WERE LEFT WITH NO ACTUAL CONCLUSION YET. SO , WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE OPENING MEETING. OKAY. DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 3 50 16 VICTOR STREET. UM, THIS ONE WAS A, LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN. WHILE I WAS A MULTIFAMILY, THAT HAS BEEN CONVERTED TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE ALL SIDE AND REAR WINDOWS WITH NEW ANDERSON FIBER X 100 SERIES WINDOWS, WHICH WE ALSO DISCUSSED IN DETAIL THAT IS SOMETHING LIKE 40% [00:15:01] WOOD FIBER COMPOSITE WITH PLASTIC OR VINYL OF SOME SORT. UM, SO THEY WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE ALL THE SIDE AND REAR WINDOWS, WHICH ARE CURRENTLY WOOD WITH THESE NEW . THE SECOND BRIEFING WE'VE HAD FOR SEPTEMBER THIS WEEK , BUT IT IS 10 30 ON SEPTEMBER 6TH. AND I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER. UM, ELAINE, COULD YOU PLEASE TAKE, UM, ROLL CALL PRESENT. COMMISSIONER OFFIT IS ONLINE PRESENT. I JOINED, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. PRESENT. SHE'S NOT VICE CHAIR . PRESENT, PRESENT, PRESENT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU ELAINE. UH, WE DO NOT NEED TO REPEAT THE, WE'LL BE REARRANGING OUR AGENDA IN A DIFFERENT WAY TODAY BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THAT ABSOLUTELY MUST BE HEARD TODAY. . CHRISTINA'S WAVING AT ME LIKE I SHUSH. OH, OKAY. THERE ARE SOME THAT MUST BE HEARD TODAY. SO THERE ARE SOME THAT MAY NOT MAKE IT BECAUSE WE ARE REQUIRED TO LEAVE BY FOUR O'CLOCK. NOT, NOT BY ME, BY BY SECURITY IF THEY WANT US OUT BY FOUR O'CLOCK. OKAY. SO STAFF, UM, I THINK YOU SHOULD DECIDE WHICH AGENDA ITEMS YOU NEED TO WHAT ORDER YOU SHOULD ADDRESS THIS ABOUT THEM. UM, WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH THE DISCUSSION ITEMS, UM, QUICKLY. LIKE WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO DETAIL, BUT JUST ENOUGH TO GET PEOPLE, GET IT INTO THE RECORD AND PEOPLE CAN ASK QUESTIONS. OKAY. SO [00:20:01] AM I DOING MY PRESENTATION FROM THE BRIEFING OR READING IT INTO THE RECORD? YEAH, I, I MEAN THE PRESENTATION, YEAH. OKAY. BUT, BUT IT, BUT WE CAN DO IT QUICKLY. OKAY. QUICKLY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. DISCUSSION ITEM D ONE. IT'S 8 0 5 ELM STREET. WE SAW THIS LAST MONTH AND WHAT IT'S COME BACK TO US FOR THIS TIME AROUND IS A REVISION AND FENESTRATION AS WELL AS THE REQUEST AGAIN TO INSTALL VINYL WINDOWS. HOWEVER, SOME CHANGES HAVE HAPPENED SINCE TUESDAY REGARDING THE VINYL WINDOWS STAFF APPROVAL REGARDING THE CHANGES, OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE CHANGES IN FENESTRATION WERE APPROVAL AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE VINYL WINDOWS WERE APPROVAL WITH CONDITION THAT IT NOT BE VINYL INSTEAD ALUMINUM TASK FORCE. WE DID NOT HAVE A QUORUM. THEY HAD COMMENTS ONLY AND WE'LL COVER THOSE BECAUSE I DID CONTACT THE TASK FORCE MEMBER THAT MADE THE COMMENT THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE AGENDA. HE'S THE VICE CHAIR AND THAT WAS HIS SUMMARY OF THE MEETING. OKAY. BASICALLY WE KNOW IT'S FACING THE DART LINE ON PACIFIC AVENUES, SO IT'S A, IT'S AT THE CORNER OF PACIFIC IN AUSTIN. UH, THIS WAS JUST A THROWBACK PHOTO SHOWING US WHAT THE AREA LOOKS LIKE. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DATE OF THIS PICTURE, BUT THE ENTIRE PROJECT ENTAILS 8 0 5 ELM STREET, SEVEN 11 ELM STREET. AND THOUGH OTHER BUILDINGS WITHIN THAT SQUARE HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED AND THEY'RE NOW SURFACE PARKING LOTS, BUT THEY WILL BE REPLACED AS A PART OF THIS PROJECT. THIS JUST SHOWS US, UM, WHERE AGAIN, AND THAT IT'S BEEN THERE. 8 0 5 SINCE 1905. UH, THIS IS JUST THE, UH, MOTION THAT WAS MADE LAST TIME THAT, UM, THE INSTALLATION OF VINYL WINDOWS BE DENIED AND ALSO THAT THE WINDOWS AND SPAN PANEL, CONSIDERING THE ENTIRE WINDOW FENESTRATION OPENING DESIGN IS SHOWN AND DISCUSSED WAS TOO MODERN AND WILL BE AN ADVERSE OR PROVIDE AN ADVERSE EFFECT TO THE DISTRICT. THIS IS WHAT THE ORIGINAL EXISTING 8 0 5 ELM STREET LOOKS LIKE TODAY. UH, ORIGINALLY THE FRONT ELEVATION WAS THE ONE FACING THE TRACKS ON PACIFIC AVENUE AND IT WAS MOVED TO THE WEST ELEVATION THAT WE SEE HERE WHEN IT BECAME ANTIOCH CHURCH BACK IN 2013. THIS IS JUST THE LEFT AND, UH, RIGHT ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING. NO WINDOWS HAVE BEEN ENCLOSED ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION. THIS USED TO BE THE REAR ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING. AND THIS FACES ELM STREET. THIS IS THE, UH, CURRENT REAR OF THE BUILDING. UH, IT HAS THE SUPER GRAPHIC SIGN WHICH WILL GO AWAY AND BE COVERED BY THE, UH, NEW ADDITION TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE EAST OF THE BUILDING. THESE ARE THE RENDERINGS. THE, UM, APPLICANT BASICALLY CH NOT CHANGED, BUT REVIS NOT REVISED. ADAM, WHAT'S THE CORRECT WORD? THE APPLICANT BASICALLY CORRECTED THE RENDERINGS FROM LAST TIME TO BETTER SHOW THE CORRECT COLOR OF THE BRICK AND ALSO TO SHOW THE CORRECT PROPORTIONS OF THE WINDOWS. THE OTHER THING THAT WE DID SPEAK OF LAST TIME IN ORDER TO ADDRESS TASK FORCE COMMENTS WAS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ADDED PLASTERS ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND ALSO GROUPED PAIRS OF WINDOWS BETWEEN THE PLASTERS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE BAYS ON THE ORIGINAL BUILDING. THIS IS THE NORTH ELEVATION, THE ONE THAT'S FACING THE DARK LINE ON PACIFIC AVENUE. NOTE THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, THE ORIGINAL FRONT FACADE. AND THEN THIS IS THE, UM, ADDITION TO THE EAST. THIS IS THE PROPOSED SOUTH ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING FACING ELM STREET, AND THIS WILL BE THE RIGHT ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING. AND THIS WILL BE THE REAR ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING FACING LAMAR STREET. THESE ARE THE MATERIALS THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO USE EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE. HE HAS REMOVED THAT FROM LAST MONTH'S PRESENTATION. THIS KIND OF MADE UP THE SPANS THAT ARE NO LONGER THERE. THIS, UH, APPLICANT ALSO REPLACED THE STACK BOND WITH RUNNING BOND. OKAY. REGARDING THE WINDOWS, THE APPLICANT HAS ADDED A NEW WINDOW TO THE, UM, QUOTE OR THE LIST. [00:25:01] REMEMBER LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT A FIXED ALUMINUM WINDOW WHERE THE APPLICANT HAS FOUND A REASONABLY PRICED ALUMINUM WINDOW ONLY $165,000, MORE THAN THE CHEAPEST WINDOW. AND IT'S A CRYSTAL 2000 A SERIES AND IT DOES COME IN COLORS THAT ARE WITHIN THE MUNSELL COLOR RANGE FOR THE WEST END DISTRICT. IT ALSO HAS A THINNER PROFILE THAN THE ONE PRESENTED ON TUESDAY. THIS IS JUST THE APPLICANT'S NEW PRICE QUOTE, AND THIS WINDOW OPENS, IT'S NOT FIXED, IT'S DOUBLE HUNG. OKAY. WITH RESPECT TO PRESERVATION CRITERIA, BASICALLY IT'S REGARDING THE FACADE. IT NEEDS TO HAVE AN APPROPRIATE RHYTHM. THE COLORS NEED TO BE WITHIN THE COLOR RANGE PROVIDED IN THE ORDINANCE. UH, THERE NEEDS TO BE WITH RESPECT TO PERCENTAGE OF OPENINGS OR SOLID VOID, 50% OR 30% TO 50% OPENING. AND AGAIN, IT NEEDS TO HAVE VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL RHYTHMS. THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS BASICALLY SAYS FROM NEW ADDITIONS THEY NEED TO BE COMPATIBLE AND IF REMOVED, THE ORIGINAL BUILDING NEEDS TO BE INTACT AND MAINTAIN ITS INTEGRITY. UH, WITH RESPECT TO GUIDELINES, WE SHOULDN'T ADD ANYTHING THAT IS INCOMPATIBLE TO THE EXISTING DISTRICT. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL WITH RESPECT TO THE CHANGE IN ADMINISTRATION, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH RESPECT TO THE WINDOWS. LIKE I SAID, VINYL IS MORE OR LESS THE RECOMMENDATION, NOT VINYL. OH GOODNESS. IT'S EARLY ALUMINUM. ALUMINUM IS THE RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. ALL ALUMINUM, ONE OVER ONE. UH, TASK FORCE COMMENTS. I, LIKE I SAID, I ALSO SENT THIS REVISION TO THE TASK FORCE MEMBER THAT MADE THE COMMENT THAT'S ON THE AGENDA. HE ASSIST ASSESSED IT AND BASICALLY HIS COMMENTS ON WHAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY WERE REGARDING DETAIL. HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE DETAIL AROUND THE WINDOWS, LIKE POSSIBLY BRICK ROW, A SOLDIER ROW ABOVE THE WINDOWS, AND ALSO CONCERN ABOUT THAT DARK COLOR BRICK, BRICK COLOR NUMBER TWO. AND THAT'S IT. QUESTIONS, UM, DR. DON, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE CONCERN WITH THE DARK BRICK. MM-HMM . I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER EVERYTHING ON THE WEST END IS, DO YOU SEE DARK BRICK IN THE WEST END, MIKE? NOT ON THE CONTRIBUTING BUILDING. OKAY. , UH, THE QUESTION, UM, I'M TRYING TO SEE ON THE ELEVATIONS WHERE THE DARK BRICK IS APPLIED. UH, IT'S APPLIED ON THE GROUND FLOOR, THE PLASTER AND ON THE SIXTH FLOOR. OKAY. BUT THEY'RE RENDERED QUITE DIFFERENTLY ON THE ELEVATIONS. UM, IT'S LIKE A MEDIUM GRAY AT GROUND LEVEL AND THEN ON THE UPPER LEVEL IS IN FACT DARK. OKAY. SO WHAT COLOR IS ON THE SIXTH LEVEL? IS THAT THE METAL? YEAH, THE METAL. OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. SO THE PANEL IS ON THE SIXTH FLOOR THAT IS THIS, AND THEN ON THE GROUND FLOOR WE'RE COLOR TWO. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND USUALLY HOW I EVALUATE BRICK, UM, YOU KNOW, REGARDING COLOR MM-HMM . UH, IS MORE THE, UM, THE, THE TONE, I GUESS IS THE RIGHT WORD. IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU SQUINT YOUR EYES AND IT'S ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF REFLECTANCE, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE TRYING TO WIPE OUT THE COLOR AND JUST SEE THE BRIGHTNESS OF THE BRICK ITSELF, THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO EQUAL. MM-HMM. THE BRICK NUMBER ONE AND BRICK NUMBER TWO. MM-HMM . UM, SO IN MY MIND, THE DARK IS, UM, IS FINE. OKAY. YEAH. ALRIGHT. IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS, WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT. OKAY. UH, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 2 57 33 3. IF WE, WE CAN RECALL, THIS IS THE HOUSE THAT HAS BEEN, UH, HIT A COUPLE TIMES WITH, UM, CARS. SO SHE IS WANTING TO EXTEND HER EIGHT FOOT FENCE, UH, ALMOST TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. THIS IS THE PICTURE OF THE HOUSE WITH ACTUAL VEHICULAR COLLISION [00:30:01] DAMAGE. THIS WE CAN SEE AN AERIAL THAT THEY SUBMITTED OF WHERE THEIR HOUSE RESIDES ON THE CORNER. AND HERE IS , THE BLUE LINE. THE RED LINE INDICATES WHERE THE FENCE CURRENTLY STOPS AND THE BLUE LINE INDICATES WHERE THEY, HOW FAR UP THEY WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND IT IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE HOUSE FROM ANY FURTHER DAMAGE FROM VEHICLES OR COLLISIONS. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NOPE. OKAY. WE DISCUSSED THIS ONE EXTENSIVELY ON TUESDAY. YES. IF YOU WEREN'T HERE, WE, WE ADDRESSED ISSUES OF THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE FENCE AND THE CITY'S UNWILLINGNESS TO PUT THEIR OWN TRAFFIC BLOCKING OUT IN THAT LITTLE TRIANGLE THEY OWN. AND WE WERE LEFT WITH NO ACTUAL CONCLUSION YET. SO , WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE OPENING MEETING. OKAY. DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 3 50 16 VICTOR STREET. UM, THIS ONE WAS A, LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN. WHILE I WAS A MULTIFAMILY, THAT HAS BEEN CONVERTED TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE ALL SIDE AND REAR WINDOWS WITH NEW ANDERSON FIBER X 100 SERIES WINDOWS, WHICH WE ALSO DISCUSSED IN DETAIL. THAT IS SOMETHING LIKE 40% WOOD FIBER COMPOSITE WITH PLASTIC OR VINYL OF SOME SORT. UM, SO THEY WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE ALL THE SIDE AND REAR WINDOWS, WHICH ARE CURRENTLY WOOD WITH THESE NEW WINDOWS AND REPLACE IN THE REAR. LEMME PULL UP THE PHOTOS. HERE WE GO. SO DO YOU SEE 15 GROUP 15 AND 13? SHE WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THOSE GROUPS AND REPLACE IT WITH THREE PANEL GLASS SLIDING DOORS. UM, THAT WAY SHE HAS ACCESS TO HER REAR YARD. SHE CURRENTLY HAS NO BACK DOOR SINCE THE DOORS WERE ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND SHE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE REAR ACCESS TO THE HOUSE. THESE ARE DOORS SHE'S FORMED. PARDON ME? THEY'RE NOT SLIDING, THEY'RE JUST THREE PANEL DOORS. FINAL QUESTIONS, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. ON THE, UM, ON THE WINDOW, UM, REPORT OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS MM-HMM . WERE THOSE BEYOND REPAIR? UH, FROM THE WIND PICTURES I SAW? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I THINK THEY COULD BE RESTORED. UH, BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT A WINDOW OR SIM, BUT I THINK THEY COULD BE RESTORED. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THERE, THERE HAS NOT BEEN ENOUGH EVIDENCE SUBMITTED TO PROVE . I THINK I KNOW YOU DON'T GET TO GO OUT AND SEND IT YOURSELVES. BE CERTAIN . ALRIGHT, THE NEXT ONE. OKAY. THREE. YES. OKAY. OH NO, THAT WAS THE THREE. NO, THE FOUR. THE FOUR WHICH WE'RE MOVING TO CONSENT. NO, IT'S ALREADY DONE. OH, WE, THEY'VE ALREADY MOVED. SO NOW, OH, SO YOU'VE MOVED THEM. THIS IS A FRESH NEW AGENDA. YOU CHANGED THEIR NUMBERING. JUST TO CONFUSE ME. THANK YOU. I FOUR USED TO BE D FIVE. ALRIGHT, . OKAY, SO D 4 28 0 2 TAN STREET. IT'S A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH THE REAR TWO CAR GARAGE. IT'S AT THE CORNER OF, UM, TANNER STREET AND SOUTH MALCOLM X BOULEVARD. STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THIS WAS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION ON THIS WAS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. AS I SAID, IT'S AT THE CORNER OF TANNER STREET AND SOUTH MALCOLM X BOULEVARD. IT FACES NORTHEAST THIS WELL, NORTHWEST, I'M SORRY, NORTHWEST. THIS IS JUST A PICTURE OF THE VACANT LOT. UH, THIS IS THE CONTEXTUAL SITE PLAN. WE SAW THIS LAST TIME. IT IS WITHIN THE ORDINANCE. THIS AGAIN IS AN INDIVIDUAL SITE PLAN SHOWING [00:35:01] THE, UH, REAR TWO CAR GARAGE, WHICH WILL HAVE ENTRY OFF OF SOUTH MALCOLM X BOULEVARD. THIS IS THE HOUSE, THE FRONT AND REAR ELEVATION. THE FRONT ELEVATION HAS TWO PART COLUMNS. UH, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS THAT THE BOTTOM BE WIDER. RIGHT NOW I THINK IT'S, IT IS BRICK. IT'S RECOMMENDED BY THE TASK FORCE, BUT IT'S ONLY 10 INCHES ACROSS. THE OTHER CONCERN WAS THE WINDOW IN THE MAIN GABLE AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN, YOU SEE THE REAR, IT HAS TO DO WITH VENT IN THE, IN THE GABLE AND A SINGLE CRAFTSMAN STYLE REAR DOOR. OKAY, THIS IS JUST THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT ELEVATION. THE GARAGE, WHICH WILL BE ENTERED OFF OF SOUTH MALCOLM X BOULEVARD. WITH RESPECT TO THE ROOFING, THE COLOR CHOSEN IS WEATHERED WOOD. IT'S AN ARCHITECTURAL COMPOSITION SHINGLE. THEY'RE GOING TO USE 1 0 5 HORIZONTAL WOOD LAB SIDING. UH, THE WINDOWS WILL BE ONE OH A ONE ALUMINUM FRAME POLY GYM 300 SERIES THE DOORS, EIGHT LIGHT CRAFTSMAN STYLE WITH TWO PANELS AT THE BOTTOM. AND THEN THE PAINT COLORS, ROYCROFT PEWTER AND EXTREME OR PURE WHITE, WHICH ARE BOTH IN THE SHERWIN-WILLIAMS ARTS AND CRAFTS COLOR PALETTE. WITH RESPECT TO THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA, THIS JUST BASICALLY SAYS THE HARDSCAPING NEEDS TO BE BRUSHED FINISHED CONCRETE. AND WITH RESPECT TO, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE, THIS IS WHEAT EAT PLACE WITHIN THE WHEATLEY PLACE ORDINANCE, UH, EACH HOME MUST HAVE AN APPROPRIATE FRONT PORCH, WHICH THEY DO. THEY'VE CHOSEN A HALF FRONT PORCH AND THE COLORS MASSING, ET CETERA, NEED TO MATCH THE EXISTING HOUSES WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY ON THE BLOCK BASE. UH, THEY'VE ALSO REFERENCED THE, UH, ORDINANCE WITH RESPECT TO THE FRONT YARD SETBACK. IT IS WITHIN 10 FEET OF THE AVERAGE FRONT YARD SETBACK OF THE OTHER HOMES ON THE BLOCK FACE. FOR THE ACCESSORY BUILDING, IT NEEDED TO BE IN THE REAR YARD AND AT LEAST EIGHT FEET FROM THE REAR WALL OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE, WHICH IT IS. AND IT ALSO NEEDS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH RESPECT TO ROOF, FARM MATERIALS, ET CETERA. AT TO THE MAIN BUILDING, WHICH THEY ARE USING THE SAME EXTERIOR CLADDING, IT DOES HAVE A GABLE ROOF, ET CETERA. UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES, UH, BASICALLY IT JUST SAYS IT NEEDS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING DISTRICT STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. THE CONDITIONS, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE DECIDED REGARDING THE, UH, WINDOW IN THE MAIN GABLE, BUT I RECOMMENDED THAT YOU TURN IT SIDEWAYS, BUT I THINK WE SAID NO TO THAT. UH, ALSO THE RAFTER TAILS DO NEED TO BE EXPRESSED AND THE, UM, EASE NEED TO BE AT LEAST 18 INCHES BEYOND THE EXTERIOR WALLS. THE PORCH COLUMN BOTTOM SHOULD BE AT LEAST 14 INCHES ACROSS, UH, FOR THE REAR, THE REAR DOOR OR THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE IS ON GRADE. SO IT NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST SUCH THAT YOU CAN STEP UP ONE TO GET INTO THE REAR DOOR. AND THERE NEEDS TO BE WINDOWS ON THE REAR OF THE, UH, BUILDING. THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE BASICALLY ABOUT THE, UH, PORCH COLUMNS. INITIALLY THE APPLICANT HAD STONE VERMEER, SO THEY WERE LETTING HER KNOW IT SHOULD BE BRICK STONE IS NOT, UM, SOMETHING COMMON WITHIN THAT DISTRICT. ALSO, THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE GABLE WINDOW. IT NEEDED TO BE SMALLER. AND ALSO FOR THE REAR DOOR, THEY WANTED TO SEE LIKE SOME TYPE OF SHED ROOF, A COVERING FOR THE REAR DOOR. QUESTIONS, IS THE APPLICANT GONNA BE, UH, SHE DOES, SHE IS LISTED TO BE VIRTUAL, YES. OKAY, GREAT. SO WE CAN DROP IT OUT THE WINDOW. YEAH, SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVES ON THAT IN THE ADD. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I SEE COMMISSIONER TAYLOR HAS MOVED HIS HAND. OH, LET, LET'S NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER TAYLOR HAS JOINED US AND SO HAS COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. YEAH, I CAN'T SEE ANYBODY. . OKAY. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, ARE YOU HONEST? A PARTICIPANT NOW. AND DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS? YES. NO, I JUST HAD MY HAND RAISED. UH, THE LAST 20 MINUTES WE TRYING TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW I'VE BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE. OKAY. OF THE ATTENDEES. SORRY, WE COULD NOT SEE YOU BECAUSE THEY WERE SHARING AND THAT TOOK UP THE WHOLE SCREENS. WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING TO GET BY WITHOUT ADRIAN THIS MORNING. SO [00:40:01] OUR TECHNOLOGICAL ISSUES DON'T THAT. OH, I SEE. HE'S ON, HE'S COVERED UP BY, HE'S ON. I NEED TO STOP SHARING. I NO ONE ELSE HAS QUESTION. IT APPEARS THERE ARE NONE ON THIS ONE. OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? SORRY, MY MICROPHONE WAS OFF. THIS IS DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER FIVE. ADDRESS IS 1 23 SOUTH MONTCLAIR AVENUE. UM, THIS ONE IS A TWO PART, SO IT'S THE FIRST AND SECOND. FIRST IS THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING GARAGE. THEN THE NEXT ONE WILL BE THE NEW REPLACEMENT CARPORT. SO IF YOU RECALL WE HAVE THIS L-SHAPE, UM, EXISTING GARAGE THAT IS LEANING TOWARDS ONE SIDE. UM, APPLICANT WAS TRYING TO GET A STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING REPORT TO ME AND WAS NOT ABLE TO GET IT. SO, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE REPORT DEMONSTRATED THAT THERE WAS IMMINENT THREAT. WITHOUT THAT, UM, DIFFERENT WITHOUT THE REPORT, OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE. YES. UM, AND IF WE, WE CAN LOOK THROUGH THE PICTURES AGAIN. YOU GUYS HAVE PROBABLY SEEN THEM TWICE BY NOW. UM, THERE, UH, WAS A STRUCTURE ON THE 1922 SANBORN MAP. UH, HOWEVER, IT'S NOT THE SAME SHAPE, SO WE CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT MAYBE THE FRONT PART WAS ADDED ON OR IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STRUCTURE, BUT AT THIS POINT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WHICH IT IS. SO THE STANDARD THAT THEY WERE USING WAS IMMINENT THREAT WITHOUT THE STRUCTURAL REPORT. UM, I CAN'T DEMONSTRATE THAT. THAT'S TRUE. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ONE? I DO. I DO KNOW THAT HE WANTED MORE SPACE IN THE BACKYARD FOR HIS, UH, PETS. I BELIEVE HE HAS SEVERAL DOGS THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ROOM FOR THEM TO COLLECT. NO QUESTIONS. UM, SO, UH, WITH CHRISTINA, YOU DID FIND THE, UM, UM, 19 THE SANDBORN MOUNT IN 1922. HERE IT IS. IN, IN MY MIND, OR FROM MY OPINION, IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAD BEEN ADDED ON. THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE HAD BEEN ADDED ON TWICE AT THE FACT THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WAS STILL THERE. RIGHT. YOU CAN SEE A CHANGE IN THE, THE SIDING ALONG, UH MM-HMM . ALONG THE REAR. AND I MEAN, EVEN THE ONE THAT WAS TOWARD THE FRONT, YOU COULD SEE LIKE A CHUNK OF THE ORIGINAL DRIVEWAY MAYBE. OH YEAH. NEATH THE WALLS ON THE EDGES. AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS DRIVEWAY OR IF THAT WAS LIKE BOARD AND IT WAS, YEAH, IT'S HARD TO, YEAH, THAT'S HARD TO TELL. UM, YEAH, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. UH, THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION. MM-HMM . ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL MOVE FOR THE REPLACEMENT CARPORT. NO. OKAY. LET ME, UH, LET, OKAY. JUST, UH, FOR REFERENCE, THIS IS THE, UH, LAST MONTH THE APPLICANT CAME BEFORE YOU TO REPLACE HIS EXISTING IRON OR METAL RAILING WITH THIS NEW RAILING AND COLUMN SYSTEM, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY LANDMARK. I JUST WANNA SHOW YOU THIS BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE HE GETS THE DESIGN FROM FOR THE CARPORT. SO JUST SO THAT YOU HAVE THIS FRESH IN YOUR MIND. UM, OKAY, NOW HE'S WANTING TO CONSTRUCT A CARPORT. UM, WE'LL FIRST LOOK AT THE LOCATION. SO NUMBER ONE, THIS BIGGER BOX IS THE CARPORT. THE, THE REAR IS LIKE A, A SMALL SHED, LIKE A LAWNMOWER TYPE SHED. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE CONCENTRATING ON NUMBER ONE AND WHERE ITS LOCATION IS. AND I JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE IN THE RENDERING OF THE CARPORT, IT APPEARS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT NEXT TO THE HOUSE, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO, HE USED A PARTICULAR SYSTEM THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO MOVE HIM BACK AND FORTH. SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT. UM, HERE IS THE PROPOSED CARPORT [00:45:01] THAT HE WILL BE PUTTING IN THE LOCATION OF NUMBER ONE. UH, THE COLUMNS WERE MADE TO MIMIC WHAT WAS APPROVED LAST MONTH ON HIS PORCH. AND THEY SUCCEED IN DOING . YES, THEY DO. UM, AND WE DID VERIFY LAST TIME THAT, THAT IT IS YOUR IMPRESSION THAT HE DID THOSE 'CAUSE HE THOUGHT WE'D LIKE 'EM NOT BECAUSE HE'S DEVOTED TO THEM. CORRECT. AND I BELIEVE HE'S TRAVELING. I WAS HOPING HE COULD BE HERE, BUT UM, HE DID SAY HE'S TRAVELING. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE COULDN'T GET OUR HANDS ON THE REPORT FOR THE DEMOLITION. BUT HE WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD ANYWAY TO SEE. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? ONE THING I WANTED TO NOTE THAT, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE IF YOU, IF EVEN IF WE CAN'T MAKE A DECISION ON TO SAY YES TO THE DEMOLITION, IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION AND SAY APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE DEMOLITION OF THE PREVIOUS GARAGE BE APPROVED, WE COULD AT LEAST GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY. AND BECAUSE IN OTHER WORDS, LIKE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A STRUCTURAL REPORT THAT SAYS IT NEEDS TO COME DOWN, THEN FINE, BUT MAYBE NOT TODAY. AND THEN WE COULD HAVE A SEE IT AGAIN NEXT MONTH. BUT AT LEAST IF EVER THAT IS APPROVED, HE'S GOT, HE'D BE READY TO GO. GOOD. ALRIGHT. SO CHRISTINA, YEAH. YEAH. I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. UM, THE LOCATION YOU MENTIONED. YES. SO THE SITE PLAN, YES. THERE IT IS. WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED TO IT? OH, SO THEY, NO, SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO NOTE THAT THE CARPORT IS ALL THE WAY TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. CAN YOU SEE THAT? YES. OKAY. IN HIS PROGRAM THAT HE USED, I, I KIND OF CROPPED IT, BUT BEFORE IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS RIGHT BESIDE IT. AGREED. YEAH. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE NOTE OF THAT 'CAUSE IT IS FINE. WE THOUGHT THAT TOO, AND HE WAS LIKE, NO, NO, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO MOVE IT TO SHOW IT. I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. SO THEN, UM, THE BRACKETS ON THE E UM, ON THAT FRONT TABLE, DO THOSE MATCH THE HOUSE TOO? LET ME SEE THE PROPOSED THE, THAT WASN'T IN THE POCKET, I DON'T THINK. I DON'T THINK IT HAS A SOME, YEAH, I SEE SOME SMALL TINY BRACES KIND OF. YEAH, THEY, THEY'RE, YEAH, THEY'RE JUST, GUESS YOU CAN'T SEE 'EM UP IN THE, AT THE TOP OF THE CABLE ANYWAY. THEY WERE MORE LIKE GOBLES IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE, UH, ON THE BOARD AND, AND ACTUALLY THEY LOOK LIKE GOS THERAPY AND I THINK HE WOULD BE OKAY WITH KIND OF A CHANGE THAT UHHUH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE ON SOMETHING LIKE, LIKE THAT HE JUST REALLY WOULD LIKE THINGS IN HIS BACKYARD. HE EMPHATICALLY DISCUSSED WITH ME ABOUT THE NEED FOR THE, HIS ANIMALS TO BE OUTSIDE. OKAY, THANK YOU. MM-HMM . OKAY. THE DOG. YOU DON'T WANNA PLAY IN THE OLD GARAGE, SO IT'S NOT, UM, ALRIGHT, I THINK I'M NEXT AGAIN. YES. YOU HAVE NUMBER SEVEN? YES MA'AM. OKAY. NUMBER SEVEN. 4 0 7 SOUTH WINDERMERE. UM, LET OPEN THAT BACK UP. THIS ONE IS, UH, CHANGING PAINT COLORS AND INSTALLING LANDSCAPE. IF YOU RECALL, THIS IS THE ONE WHERE THE LANDSCAPE WAS NOT EXACTLY TO SCALE. OH, YES. UM, ON YOUR STAFF REPORT, THERE WERE COLUMNS THAT WE HAVE WITHDRAWN. HE DECIDED TO WAIT ON THOSE. UM, SO I'LL SHOW THIS AND WE TOOK THOSE OFF THE, THE AGENDA OH TOOK, SO YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT TODAY, BUT MIGHT STILL SEE IT ON THE STACK REPORT. UM, THIS IS A HOUSE AND IT'S, UH, CURRENT PHOTOS. IT'S CURRENTLY GRAY AND WITH WHITE SHARING BRICK. WHAT'S THAT? OH, IT, I WAS SHARING IT. YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S HIGHLIGHTED. LET ME UNSHARE SHARING. THERE IT GOES. OKAY. MY APOLOGIES. SO, CURRENT HOUSE, YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE IT BETTER ON YOUR COMPUTERS IN FRONT OF YOU. UM, BRICK WITH, UH, THE GRAY SIDING AND WHITE TRIM IS NOT GOING TO PAINT THE BRICK. THAT IS NOT, I TOLD HIM ALREADY THAT WOULD NOT BE APPROVED. SO FOR THE BODY, WE'RE LOOKING AT NAVY BLUE. THE TRIM IS GONNA BE PREMIUM WHITE AGAIN, NO BRICK IS BEING PAINTED. GO DOWN TO SEC. HERE WE GO WITH THESE [00:50:01] PHOTOS. AND THIS IS JUST SHOWING, UH, WHERE THE PAINT IS PEELING AND YOU JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT. HERE ARE THE TWO COLORS THERE. BEAR COLORS. SO I DON'T HAVE CHIPS FOR THEM. YOU DIDN'T BRING THEM IN. BUT IF I NEED TO, I CAN TRY TO FIND A MATCH AND BRING IN THE ONES WE HAVE DOWNSTAIRS. SHERWIN WILLIAMS, IF YOU WANNA SEE IT IN HAND, UM, I WON'T DO THAT. IF YOU NEED THAT. UM, YOU'LL SEE THE PICTURES OF THE COLUMNS AGAIN BECAUSE LAST MINUTE HE PULLED THEM OFF. UM, THIS WAS JUST SHOWING, UH, WHERE THE PAINT IS FEELING. UM, HE JUST WANTED TO GIVE SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE THAT IT NEEDED TO BE PAINTED. AND I WILL SHOW YOU THE LANDSCAPE, WHICH AGAIN, NOT TO SCALE. KEEP IN MIND THE SIDEWALK IS PROBABLY ABOUT FOUR FEET WIDE. SO CLEARLY THE MULCH BEDS ARE NOT BIGGER THAN THAT. EVEN THOUGH HE INDICATED THREE FEET, TWO FEET, UM, THERE ARE NO QUESTIONABLE FLOWERS OR PLANTS. SO I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT THAT. IF, IF WE'RE CERTIFYING THAT THE, THE PROPOSED BED IS ONLY THREE FEET, WHY DO WE HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THE PLANTINGS WITHIN IT? THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST FINE. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO WE DID DISCUSS THAT. YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADD THE CONDITION THAT IT BE BASED ON THE, UH, THE DIMENSIONS GIVEN AND NOT YES. WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION, THE ILLUSTRATION, NOT THE ILLUSTRATION. UM, AND I CAN WRITE THAT IN ALSO WHEN WE DO THE CA AS A NOTE, HE WANTED ME TO MENTION HE'S JUST TRYING TO KIND OF BRING IT BACK WHAT IT USED TO BE. HE IS GOING BACK, REMOVING THE RETAINING WALLS AND GOING BACK TO THE, UH, WATERFALL STEPS AND THE ROLLING LAWN. UM, SO WE WANT TO LOOK LIKE ALL THE REST OF THE, AND WE ADMIRE THAT. YES. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? , NEXT UP WE HAVE THE EIGHT, WHICH IS MORE VINYL WINDOWS. YES. YES. OKAY. THAT'S THE VINYL WINDOW. SALES ARE OUT FLOORS, , SO I THINK SO I'VE BEEN GETTING FLYERS EVERY DAY. ? YEAH. OKAY. SO THIS ONE IS 1 26 NORTH WINDERMERE. THIS WAS, HOW DID MARCUS PUT IT? THE PREVIOUS OWNER WAS A SERIAL VIOLATOR. . SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS, THIS IS THE CURRENT HOUSE THERE RIGHT NOW. THERE'S A MIX OF UH, I BELIEVE ALUMINUM AND WOOD. PREVIOUS OWNER WENT AND PULLED OUT THE WOOD HIMSELF. HE NEVER GOT APPROVAL FOR IT. THESE ARE NEW OWNERS NOW AND THEY ARE SAYING BASICALLY ALL THE WINDOWS THAT WERE PUT IN, NOT THE WOOD ONES 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT CHANGING ANY, WELL, NOT INSTALLED PROPERLY AND FOR BUDGET AND COSTS. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ASKING TO REPLACE 16 OF THOSE WINDOWS WITH THE VINYL WINDOWS. HOWEVER, THEY HAVE EXPRESSED CONSIDERATION THAT IF THEY, THEY COULD AFFORD IT, THEY WOULD REPLACE THE FRONT ONES. WITH WOOD, THEY ARE THINKING OF IT. IT'S JUST REALLY A COST BECAUSE THEY JUST MOVED INTO THE HOUSE. AND IF THE WINDOWS ARE NOT INSTALLED CORRECTLY, HONESTLY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE REST OF THE HOUSE IS. LIKE THIS ONE WAS A PROBLEM CHILD BEFOREHAND. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. UM, YEAH, SO, UM, THEY ARE BOTH HERE TO SPEAK. THE THE COUPLE IS HERE. UM, THAT'S GOOD. SO WE CAN ASK THEM WHAT THE PROBLEM WITH BEFORE WE INSTALLED WINDOWS IS YES. APPEARANCE OR LEAKING, WHICH WOULD BE DON'T PUT IT OFF. RIGHT. BUT THEY'RE NOT ASKING TO CHANGE THE WOOD WINDOWS. ANY OTHER QUESTION? ANYBODY? WE'LL SAVE OUR QUESTIONS FOR YOU. I DO HAVE A, YES, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO HOW DO WE TYPICALLY TREAT A NEW OWNER THAT IS PAYING FOR THE SINS OF A PREVIOUS OWNER? I GUESS YOU COULD SAY . WHAT'S THAT? WHAT SORT OF WITH SYMPATHY, BUT THEY BOUGHT THE PROBLEMS. UNFORTUNATELY NO, TECHNICALLY. SO IS THIS THE ONE WE'VE DISCUSSED ABOUT MAYBE COMING BACK THE S WORD? NO, THAT IS SIX 17 WOULD NO, BUT THIS WOULD BE THE SAME THING. WELL, YES, THEY BROUGHT IT UPON THEMSELVES BE WE HADN'T, I DON'T THINK WE CITED THEM YET, UH, FOR UNAUTHORIZED WORK BECAUSE [00:55:01] I THINK, I THINK IT JUST GOT SOLD IN BETWEEN HIM AND NEW PEOPLE. WE, WE DISCUSS IT. WE, WE TRY TO BE, WE, WE TRY TO BE AS UNDERSTANDING AS POSSIBLE. TECHNICALLY WE SHOULD CHARGE A FEE OF $600 FOR THIS. UM, AND WE MAY NEED TO GO BACK AND DISCUSS IT, BUT I, I WOULD SAY YOU SHOULD NOT CHARGE A FEE FOR SOMEONE THIS HAVE, SO THE, THE WAY WE WOULD SHOULD HANDLE IT, EVEN THOUGH I THINK WE PROBABLY MADE THE BEST DECISION JUST TO NOT WORRY ABOUT IT THIS TIME. YES. UH, FOR THIS CASE. BUT TECHNICALLY IF WE WERE TO HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING WHERE WE NEEDED TO, WE NEED, MAY NEED TO CHARGE THE FEE, BUT THEY CAN ASK Y'ALL FOR A REFUND. YEAH. I WASN'T SO MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT THE FEE. I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE PREVIOUS OWNER. RIGHT. SO ARE THEY OUT OF COMPLIANCE RIGHT NOW? UNTIL THEY FIXED THE WINDOWS? THE PREVIOUS OWNER INHERITS THE PROBLEM. I MEAN THE, THE CURRENT OWNER INHERITS THE PROBLEM UNFORTUNATELY. SO THEY HAVE TO COME IN. THE PREVIOUS OWNER COMPLIANCE SOLD IT AND NOW HE'S . YES. NOW HE, HE PAID SEVERAL FEE, $600 FEES THOUGH ALONG THE WAY. HE STILL DIDN'T, BUT HE'S, BUT NOW HE'S KIND OF OFF. YEAH. I, I, I'M JUST, I GUESS MY QUESTION MORE IS ABOUT THE NEW OWNERS AND THEIR RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO AND HOW LONG DO THEY HAVE TO COME, HOW LONG DO THEY HAVE TO COME INTO CLIENTS? BECAUSE IF WE SAY LIKE YOU, YOU CAN WAIT UNTIL YOU HAVE MONEY TO DO THE WINDOWS AND WHATEVER. WE'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO BE FAIRLY UNDERSTANDING THIS HAS, THIS HAPPENS FAIRLY FREQUENTLY MM-HMM . UM, AND IT'S INCLUDING ABOUT HOW THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO GET TO IT RIGHT AWAY. WE OFTEN, ALL THOSE SUGGESTED THEY SEEK ADDRESS FROM THE PERSON WHO SOLD IT TO THEM WITHOUT DECLARING THIS IN THOSE, YOU GOT TO ATTEST TO THE STATE OF THE HOUSE WHEN YOU SELL IT AND RIGHT. THEY LEFT OUT YOU, YOU'RE CURRENTLY IN TROUBLE WITH THE CITY. YEAH. SORT OF THING. BUT UNFORTUNATELY SINCE OUR MAIN GOAL HERE THOUGH, WE TRY TO BE NICE AND CONSIDERATE TO EVERYBODY AND HELP THEM. OUR MAIN GOAL IS TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT. AND IF A PROPERTY IS NOT PRESERVING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT, A PERSON WHO OWNS IT NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. AND YES, THAT FEELS AWFUL, BUT WE HAVE TO TELL THEM THAT. BUT IT IS WHERE WE ARE. WE, WE WILL GIVE THEM, I MEAN IT IS BETWEEN THEM AND THE, THE PREVIOUS OWNER, BUT, AND WE WILL GIVE THEM TIME AND THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY COMING IN TRYING TO DO SOMETHING. IT MAY NOT BE WHAT'S THE BEST FOR THE HOUSE, BUT WE WILL GIVE THEM SOME TIME. AND ULTIMATELY IF IT REMAINS A VIOLATION, WE MIGHT HAVE THIS UP. BUT, SO WE'RE NOT BASICALLY WE'RE NOT FINDING THEM EVERY DAY. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE WE'RE NOT ON THEIR CASE. YEAH. AT THIS POINT. QUICK QUESTION ON THE, AND THIS IS FOR PROBABLY THAT THIS FOR YOU, BUT, UH, IT WOULD BE CERTAINLY A QUESTION FOR THEM TOO. THE WINDOWS BEING INSTALLED IMPROPERLY. WHAT, WHEN WAS THAT DISCOVERED? WAS THAT DISCOVERED UPON THEIR INSPECTION WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE HOUSE? IT WAS DISCOVERED BECAUSE IT'S LEAKING. DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE ON WHEN THEY FOUND OUT? I DON'T, I ONLY HAVE WHAT THEY PUT IN TO DALLAS NOW. OKAY. SO WE'LL, WE'LL FIND OUT. YEAH, THEY'LL BE HERE. THEY'RE SIGNED UP TO, UM, SPEAK. AND JEFF, YOU BROUGHT UP AN INTERESTING, UH, QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, BEING ABLE TO PHASE, BECAUSE WHAT I WAS WONDERING IS IF THE SUBMISSION COULD BE REDUCED TO ONLY THE FRONT WINDOWS AND THOSE GET REPLACED WITH WOOD AND THEN THEY WAIT, IN OTHER WORDS, UM, I DO KNOW THEY TAKE ALL THE OTHER WINDOWS OUT. THE SUBMISSION, IT, IT'S AN EFFICIENCY THING. LIKE THEY SAID, THEY'RE IMPROPER AND THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY OF IT, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE LEAKING OR LOSING THAT. THAT IS WHAT WE DO NEED TO FIND OUT FROM THEM HOW, HOW SEVERELY THIS POOR INSTALLATION AFFECTS THEIR LIVES OR DOESN'T. I PERSONALLY HAVE CARDBOARD IN MY WINDOWS TO ADD INSULATION. SO, YOU KNOW, ONE COULD THAT WAY FOR A LITTLE WHILE , I I I WOULD RECOMMEND HOWEVER, TO KEEP IT TO A HISTOR A A DISCUSSION OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. RIGHT. AND, UM, WE ALL KNOW EFFICIENCY WISE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS WITH THE HEAT THAT WE HAVE, WOULD WOOD IS ACTUALLY ARGUABLY THE BEST MATERIAL , BUT AGREED. BUT MOST OF THE, MOST OF THE LOSS IS GONNA BE THROUGH THE GLASS ITSELF, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BET MONEY THAT THESE ARE INSULATED UNITS WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINALS WERE SINGLE PANE, PROBABLY EIGHTH OF AN INCH BIG, UM, WHICH ARE GREAT CONDUCTORS OF WHATEVER IS TEMPERATURES ON ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER. UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, IF WELL WE, WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE THE SUBMISSION EITHER, UM, TO, TO LIMIT THE MORE LIKELY A CONDITION YOU COULD ADDRESS ANYTHING THROUGH A CONDITION. YEAH. YOU CAN MAKE THE CONDITION. YEAH, THAT'S THAT. MAYBE SOME ARE ONE THING AND SOME ARE THE OTHER. I [01:00:01] YES. RIGHT. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE'RE, WELL, I GUESS AGAIN, YOU KNOW, TO REPLACE ALL THE EXISTING ONE, WELL IF THOSE WERE IN FACT, YOU KNOW, WOOD AGAIN, WELL EVEN ORIGINAL, THOSE WOULD BE LESS EFFICIENT THAN WHAT'S IN THERE TODAY. SO MY, MY THINKING IS I'M JUST TRYING HOWEVER THEY'RE INSTALLED, MAYBE THERE'S GAPS AROUND, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY, I DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT CLOSE UP PICTURES OF 'EM. YEAH, YEAH. WE, WE CAN ASK IT. SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THAT COMPLETES THE DISCUSSION AGENDA. WE DO HAVE A LOT OF COURTESY REVIEWS, WHICH IS A GOOD THING EXCEPT FOR THE TIME WE HAVE. BUT IT ISN'T A GOOD THING THAT THEY'RE COMING FORWARD TO SHOW US THEIR WORK REPORT. THEY GET READY TO APPLY. UH, IT MAY NOT BE TODAY. WE, UM, PROBABLY, YEAH. UM, LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE SOME THAT MUST BE PASSED AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE SOME THAT HAVE PEOPLE HERE TO TALK ABOUT AND NOT ALL OF THEM HAVE GONE DONE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUES QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON COURTESY REVIEWS THAT WE MIGHT CAN ANSWER AHEAD OF TIME, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TIME. WELL, WOULD IT BE PRUDENT TO GO THROUGH THEM ANYWAY JUST TO PREVIEW THEM? SO JUST KIND OF PREVIEW THEM? YEAH, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT SOME TIME. I MEAN, I MEAN, UM, AND IF WE DON'T GET THROUGH THEM ALL BY THE TIME WE NEED TO TAKE LUNCH, THEN THAT'S FINE TOO. YEAH. YEAH. THOMAS STATE THOMAS. OKAY. WE HAVE AGREEMENT TWO PEOPLE LIKE TO TALK ABOUT STATE THOMAS . OKAY. I . OKAY. WE ARE FOUR IS WHAT LOCATED 26 26 THOMAS AVENUE. WE CONSTRUCT A MIXED, HUGE BUILDING. UM, OKAY, SO THERE, THERE'S . UM, OKAY. THERE IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SURROUNDINGS. UM, OBVIOUSLY , WE BUILDING, BUT, UM, WE DECIDED THAT, THAT THIS IS IN THE FOUR BASICALLY THAT THE, THE BUILDING SEEMED TO BE LIMITED TO ABOUT TWO AND A HALF PHOTO OF THE, SOME OF THE CONTENT THAT ON THIS CORNER THERE, THAT OTHER , THEY MAY NOT BE OFFICIAL USES, BUT THEY, MY MY THOUGHT, I'M SORRY, EVERYONE , I HEARD YOU FIND . SO HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY ONLINE IS FOLLOWING ALONG IN CONTEXT PHOTOS TO SHOW SOME OF THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS DOWN THE STREET. THE STATE, AGAIN, THAT'S THE VACANT, THE VACANT LOT THERE ON THE RIGHT. COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON THE CORNER. OKAY. SO THEY ARE PROPOSING, LET ME GET TO THEIR ELEVATIONS ARE PROBABLY THE BEST PLACE TO START. THEY ARE. WELL, LET'S, LET'S START HERE. WE'VE GOT A SITE PLAN, KIND OF, [01:05:01] YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE TEND TO BE SEEING IN STATE THOMAS FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT ON THE BLOGS, ONE THING TO NOTE THERE IS AN EASEMENT, A UTILITY EASEMENT ON THE BACK OF THE LOT, WHICH THEN KEEPS THEM FROM BUILDING ANYTHING BACK THERE. SO THAT'S OF NOTE, THAT'S SWATH ACROSS, CORRECT? YEAH. I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO. I WOULD ASSUME THERE MUST BE SOMETHING ON THE, AT LEAST ON THE ONE TO THE RIGHT TO THE LEFT, IT, IT SEEMS TO GO STRAIGHT TO THE ALLEY. THE ONE TO THE RIGHT. IN THIS PHOTO MIGHT, THERE'S A CON CONTEXT PHOTO OF THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS AND WHERE THIS ONE WOULD GO. IT'S, IT'S, UH, KIND OF IN LINE WITH THE ONE NEXT TO IT TO THE RIGHT OF IT. THE ONE TO THE LEFT IS A ONE STORE. IT'S A, IT'S, OH, IT'S A STORM WATER EASEMENT, SORRY. IT'S, UH, IT'S WATER THAN THE ONE TO THE, TO IN THIS, IN THIS PICTURE WIDER THAN THE ONES TO GO LEFT. BUT THINGS IN LINE KIND OF WITH THE ONES TO THE RIGHT. SO HERE WE HAVE AN ELEVATE THE FRONT ELEVATION. NOW I WILL SAY THIS, THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION TO MAJOR PROBLEMS THAT THEY HAD WITH THE, THE FRONT ELEVATION WAS, UM, THE KIND OF ENGAGED PORCH. SO THE SECOND FLOOR COMES OVER THE FRONT PORCH RATHER THAN THE PORCH BEING, UM, A ONE SOY PORCH. UM, ALSO THE CANTILEVER ON THE SIDE OF THE, THE BUILDING, UM, WAS, WAS NOT TAKEN WELL BY THE TASK FORCE. THERE WE HAVE A RENDERING. UM, ALSO THEY HAD KIND OF A VERTICAL BOARD. AND BATTEN SIDING, THE TASK FORCE SAID IT SHOULD BE A TYPICAL, UH, HORIZONTAL SIGHTING, UH, EITHER DOUBLED OR, OR LIKE A ONE SENTENCE THING. MARCUS. UM, ARE THEY HAVING THE SAME RENDERING AS THE PEOPLE ON ELM STREET ISSUE, OR ARE THE WINDOWS SUPPOSED TO BE THE SAME? NO, THEY'RE NOT ON EACH SIDE OF THE PAIR THAT IS. SO THAT WAS ALL, UH, LET ME, THAT YEAH, THAT'S THE NEXT THING THE TASK FORCE SAID WAS THE WINDOWS ARE FAR TOO CONTEMPORARY. AND IS IT NOT UNUSUAL TO HAVE THE ONE UP IN THE GABLE BE EXACTLY THE SAME SIZE AS THE ONES ? THAT'S EVEN THOUGH IT IS A LARGE GABLE, RIGHT. STILL? UM, THAT'S, YES, THAT IS STILL AN ISSUE. OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M NOT NOW SEEING THAT EVERYWHERE I LOOK NO, ALL THE WINDOWS, WINDOWS AND DOORS WERE, THE TASK FORCE FELT WERE TOO CONSERVATE. I, I DON'T, I THAT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO LABEL IT, BUT I GET, I THINK THEY WOULD MAYBE GOING FOR CRAFTSMAN THIS RIGHT? YEAH. FARM FARMHOUSE. UM, SO, SO YEAH. AND THE COLUMNS, IT'S SO NOT ONLY IS THE PORCH, THE SECOND STORY COMES OVER THE PORCH, BUT THEN IN FRONT OF THE PORCH TO GET TO ADD SOME ARCHITECTURE THERE. THAT'S ACTUALLY A TRELLIS ON THE FRONT, UH, IN FRONT OF THE BOOK. UM, THOSE ARE COLUMNS. YEAH. BUT, BUT THAT IT'S PART OF A TR VECTOR THAT JETS OUT FROM THE POLISH. MM-HMM . PERGO. THAT'S A BETTER WAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. THAT'S CREATING A LOVELY IDEA, BUT NOT FOR HERE. UM, UM, SO ASYMMETRICAL WINDOWS. YES. UH, THIS IS FROM THE SIDE. SO, UM, THE TASK FORCE DIDN'T HAVE SO MUCH TROUBLE WITH THE, THE LAYOUT, I WOULD SAY, UM, AS FAR AS LIKE KIND OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING BEING ONE SCALE AND THEN A HYPHEN WITH THE BACK OF A BUILDING SEPARATE, THE HYPHEN IS RESIST. THEY ARE, THEY ARE INTIMATE. I'M SORRY. [01:10:03] AND THE, THE PARKING WILL BE, UH, BELOW THE, THERE WILL BE SOME SUB, THERE WILL BE SOME SURFACE PARKING IN THE BACKYARD, BUT THEY COULDN'T, UH, BECAUSE OF THAT EASEMENT, THEY CAN ONLY PARK SO MANY. SO THEY ARE GOING UNDERGROUND. YEAH, BECAUSE I GUESS BECAUSE I GUESS BECAUSE IT'S A STORM WATER EASEMENT. NOT, MAYBE, NOT NECESSARILY. OR MAYBE THEY DON'T WANT TO BUILD WHERE THE CITY COULD COME IN AND DIG UP THEIR PARKING LOT. I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE. AND THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THEM. ISLAND IS THAT, IS THAT THAT GOING UP, THAT THE, THE CANTILEVER ON THE SIDE MM-HMM . AND BY THE WAY, THIS PERSON HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. YES. THEY WILL BE HERE. SO WE COULD ASK THEM QUESTIONS ABOUT HE'LL BE HERE. SO, BECAUSE CANTILEVER RUN A WHOLE YES. IT, IT RUNS, IT'S, IT'S, YES. YES. ALL ALL OF THIS. IT'S, YES, ALL OF THIS. SO IT'S ALMOST THE WHOLE THING , BUT NO, IT'S, IT IS, IT IS, IT RUNS THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING FOR THE MED PART. YES. THERE ARE FLOOR PLANS INCLUDED. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THOSE NECESSARILY, OTHER THAN YOU CAN LOOK AT THEM TO UNDERSTAND WHY THEY MIGHT HAVE PUT THINGS IN CERTAIN PLACES. MM-HMM. EXPENSIVE. WE'VE BE ALLOWABLE. I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THIS IN STATE THOMAS, THE, THE ALLOWABLE PART, I WOULD SAY THE STATE THOMAS IS VERY GENEROUS, SAY ON THINGS LIKE PLOT COVERAGE, YOU KNOW, HIGH IT, IT, IT, IT ALLOWS FOR A LOT THAT OTHER DISTRICTS DON'T. SO DO, DO KEEP THAT IN MIND. BUT I THINK ARCHITECTURALLY THOUGH, IT, IT DOESN'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO COMPROMISE ARCHITECTURALLY THE MASSING , THE, THE MASSING ABSOLUTELY. IS SOMETHING THAT'S TYPICAL OF ST. THOMAS N. CORRECT? CORRECT. YES. THANK YOU. I, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. YOUR MIC WASN'T ON, BUT, BUT THE POINT, THE POINT WAS FOR THE RECORD, UM, THAT THE, THE MASSING AND SCALE OF THIS MAY NOT BE TYPICAL IN ANOTHER HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IN ST. THOMAS, IT'S, SO WHAT ABOUT THE ROOFS IN ST. THOMAS? IT LOOKS, IT APPEARS THAT IT'S A METAL ROOF ON THIS BUILDING. UM, I BELIEVE YOU MU YOU MUST BE RIGHT. IS IT, DID THEY, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY SUBMITTED THAT YET. UM, THEY SUBMITTED SIDING. I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT LOOKS STANDING SAME, DOESN'T IT? SO WHAT, THAT'S A QUESTION. WHAT DOES STATE THOMAS ALLOW AS FAR AS RUTH MATERIAL? I WILL HAVE TO LOOK FOR YOU AND, AND TAKE A BREAK. I, YEAH, I I THINK CONSIDERING THE KIND OF THE VICTORIAN TRANSITIONAL NATURE, ESPECIALLY IN STATE THOMAS, IT MAY BE ACCEPTABLE. I'LL, I'LL LOOK FOR SURE. RIGHT. AND IF IT'S TRUE STANDING SCENE, WE WOULDN'T DO LIKE CORRUGATED, BUT YEAH. YEAH. ADDITIONAL STANDING SCENE. I WANTED TO MAKE A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS. UM, ONE IS TO, UM, THANK STAFF FOR ALWAYS INCLUDING THE RELEVANT PRESERVATION CRITERIA. UM, BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO THOSE ORDINANCES THAT YOU'VE LABELED THERE, UM, FOR INSTANCE, NONE OF THE METAL SIDING IS ALLOWED. UM, UM, WHICH A MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING IS COVERED WITH THAT. UH, HAVING SAYING THAT, THEN ALSO, UM, I KNOW, UM, OGLESBY GREEN IS A, IS A VERY WELL RESPECTED ARCHITECTURAL FIRM. MM-HMM . AND, UM, I WOULD BET THAT THEY WEREN'T AWARE OF THESE PARTICULAR ORDINANCES JUST BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VIOLATING SEVERAL. UM, I, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THEY ARE AWARE OF THE, THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS WHERE THEY KIND OF CHALLENGED ME. OKAY. ON THE ORDINANCE. AND IT IS PART OF THE P THIS IS ONE WHERE IT'S NOT JUST AN OVERLAY ORDINANCE SEPARATE, IT'S PART OF THE PD UHHUH . SO YEAH, THEY'RE WA THEY'RE AWARE OF IT. OKAY. AND OKAY, I GUESS THE MATERIALS [01:15:01] WAS, WAS WERE ONE OF THE MOST, UH, POSSIBLE. YEAH. EGREGIOUS, UH, CHANGES TO THE, I MEAN, UM, OPPOSING THE, THE, THE ORDINANCE. UM, OKAY, THANK YOU. SO IT DOES APPEAR THAT THE ROOF IS STANDING SEAM IN THEIR, UH, MATERIAL SHEET THERE. OH, IT IS ON THE STANDING SEAM. WESTERN STATES METAL 16 INCHES COLOR MAT SINK. OKAY. BUT THEY'RE USING WOOD WINDOWS THOUGH. THEY KNEW NOT TO ASK US ANYTHING ELSE. , THEY GOT THE MEMO ON THAT ONE. IT DOES SAY METAL ROOF AND METAL ROOFS ARE PERMITTED. WE HAVE PERMIT. YEAH. THANK YOU. AS LONG AS THEY'RE NICE LIKE THIS. ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE? AND IF NOT ON ANY OTHER, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I KNEW HOW TO CONJUGATE THROAT FOR BABY . WE SHOULD HAVE WAITED TILL 11 TO START . WE DO. WELL YOU HAVE TO SPEAK UP AND YOU HAVE TO TURN YOUR MIC ON. YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING. YES. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE GO THROUGH OUR OTHER CUR. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION, FOR YOUR INPUT. THE PIZZA IS HERE THOUGH. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. OH, WE HAVE PIZZA, LUNCH TODAY. PIZZA, YEAH. PIZZA. OOH, PIZZA PARTY. OKAY. OKAY. ANY PARTICULAR ONE YOU WANT US TO ABOUT PIZZA? WE'RE NOT DOING ALL, WE'RE HUNGRY. HUNGRY. WE'RE ALREADY, ALWAYS ARE THERE ANY ONES THAT, UM, NUMBER ONE IN PARTICULAR ON DAVE, UM, 'CAUSE WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS A CAMELBACK AND I DIDN'T FIND ANY CAMELBACKS IN THE, IN THE DISTRICT UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE KNOWS THAT THERE ARE, THIS IS NUMBER EIGHT. THE ONE IN WHEAT WAS LAKE NUMBER ONE. I THINK NUMBER ONE. UH, THE A TH IS WHAT I WAS SAYING. NO, I, THAT WAS MENTIONED THAT, UM, THAT WAS NOT COMMON TO THE DISTRICT BY THE TASK FORCE, BUT, UH, HOPEFULLY HE WILL COME THIS AFTERNOON SO HE CAN SHARE HIS VISION. HE IS NOT SIGNED UP. I, I'M CALLING HIM. OKAY. AND WHAT ELSE DOES HE HAVE TO DO ON SATURDAY AFTERNOON? BUT YEAH. OKAY. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT D STREET. YES. IS THERE ANY OTHER HOUSES THAT HAVE THAT POP UP IN THE BACK? IS THAT MAYBE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. UM, I MEAN IS THAT'S NOT TYPICAL, IS IT CHUCK? NO, THAT'S NOT TYPICAL OF THE DISTRICT. NOW SOME OF THE HOUSES IN THE DISTRICT OVER TIME, THEY HAVE HAD REAR VERTICAL ADDITIONS, BUT IT'S NOT CAMELBACK. IT'S NOT YEAH. YOU KNOW, ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE. IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A TWO STORY HOUSE THAT THEY STUCK A LITTLE ONE STORY PIECE ON THE FRONT TO MAKE US HAPPY. OKAY. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I, I MEAN, I KIND OF SEE IT THAT WAY. YEAH. I THINK TRADITIONALLY CAMELBACKS ARE SMALLER ADDITIONS IN THE REAR. NOT, I MEAN, THIS, THIS IS HALF THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE ALMOST. AND IT HAD EMPHASIZED ROOFS WHICH MAKE IT MORE NOTICEABLE AND JUST SORT OF ECHOED THE YEAH. THE FRONT. AND, AND I WOULD JUST ADD, SINCE THIS IS KIND OF A PRE DESIGNATION MORATORIUM AND WE'RE KIND OF STILL STRETCHING ON WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING THERE, IT COULD BE DANGEROUS TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS EARLY ON. IT MAKES A PRECEDENT FOR BIG LOOMING. YEAH. SO I MEAN, WHILE, WHILE WE'RE TOLD THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY SET PRECEDENT, WE KIND OF DO, UM, BECAUSE THE, THE CRITERIA AREN'T WRITTEN YET. YOU'RE KIND OF WRITING THEM AS YOU GO. YEAH. CAN WE GO OVER, UM, CR TWO AS WELL? THE ONE ON MYRTLE'S MIDDLE STREET? YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE ON THE VERY, YEAH, IT'S ON THE VERY UNUSUAL LOT. AND UH, HE WAS HAVING DIFFICULTY FIGURING OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE LOT. THERE ARE A FEW FOUR SQUARES IN QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT'S WHAT HE DECIDED TO DESIGN HIS OFF OF. TRUE. I THINK HE TOOK SOME, UH, ELEMENTS FROM THINGS THAT WERE NOT, UH, FOURSQUARE. LIKE I THINK HE PICKED UP SOME THINGS FROM CRAFTSMAN STYLE, SO IT'S KIND OF ECLECTIC. BUT I THINK HE WAS GOING FOR FOURSQUARE. HEY, NOTE DR. DUNN, FOURSQUARE IS A BUILDING FORM. OKAY. CRAFTSMAN IS A STYLE. FOURSQUARES CAN EVEN BE COLONIAL REVIVAL AND OKAY. PRAIRIE. AND OCCASIONAL, THERE'S, THERE'S A FAMOUS ONE THAT'S KIND OF INDIAN INFLUENCED . OKAY. SO HE'S HIS CRAFTSMAN [01:20:01] STYLE. DOES THAT HELP? OKAY. ARE YOU SAYING THIS BUILDING IS CRAFTSMAN STYLE? NO, I'M SAYING THAT'S WHERE HE FEELS AS IF HE GOT SOME OF HIS INFLUENCES. IN OTHER WORDS, HE DID A STUDY, WELL THIS BUILDING IS PRAIRIE AND HE PICKED UP, HE PICKED UP A FEW THINGS FROM MULTIPLE, HE, HERE'S HIS STUDY. ALL OF THESE ARE IN QUEEN CITY. THEY'RE ALL FAIRLY DIFFERENT TOO. SO YEAH. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I'M CALLING IT ECLECTIC. I'M TRYING TO DEFINE IT. I'M SORRY. IT'S EARLY. ECLECTIC IS AN APPROPRIATE WORD TO USE. . OKAY. BUT THESE ARE WHAT HE USED AS HIS MUSES, AS HIS MODELS. AND UH, FROM THESE, HE CAME UP WITH THIS AND SO MAYBE WE CAN HELP HIM SETTLE ON ONE. OKAY. IF I CAN JUST SAY SOMETHING, I WOULD RATHER HAVE THIS AREA STYLE THAN THE CAMELBACK POP UP. IF THEY NEED A BIGGER BUILDING, THEY SHOULD BUILD A BIGGER BUILDING AND NOT A LITTLE BUILDING WITH A POPUP ON IT. OKAY. GOING BACK TO THE OTHER ONE. THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS TYPICAL. THE OTHER ONE, IF NOT, OKAY. HOW DOES THE THIS WORK WITH LOT COVERAGE? 'CAUSE THIS IS LIKE LOT LINE, I MEAN THE SETBACK LINE TO SETBACK LINE. DOES THIS MEET THE LOT COVERAGE REQUIREMENT? HE WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO REQUEST AS SOME HAVE WITHIN QUEEN CITY BECAUSE THE LOTS ARE SO AWKWARD AND SMALL. HE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UH, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTERS BECAUSE I'VE HAD TO SEND SOME THAT CAME TO US FOR QUEEN CITY BECAUSE OF THE WEIRD AND SMALL LOTS. YEAH. I'VE HAD TO DIRECT THEM NEXT TO BOARD OF ADJUSTERS BECAUSE THEY'RE TAKING UP MUCH MORE THAN LOCK COVERS THAN WAS ALLOWED. YEAH. I HAVE A COMMENT ALSO. DON'T THEY TYPICALLY HAVE DRIVEWAYS TO THE BACK? WELL, DRIVEWAYS TO THE FRONT, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY OH, YOU MEAN TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING? YES. IF THEY HAVE A DRIVEWAY, IT ENDS WITH THE EDGE OF THE REAR EXTERIOR WALL. I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS TYPICALLY NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE A FIVE, A FIVE FOOT SETBACK. A 10 FOOT SETBACK. RIGHT. FOR A DRIVEWAY THAT GOES TO THE BACK, TO THE, TO A GARAGE LOCATION. MM-HMM . AND THIS IS GONNA GOT, THIS HAS GOT TWO FIVES, SO THERE'S NO POTENTIAL FOR A DRIVEWAY RIGHT NOW. HE HAS NO POTENTIAL FOR A DRIVEWAY. I THINK HE'S KIND OF RELYING ON, UH, THEY'RE THINKING THAT THERE ARE NO PARKING REQUIREMENTS RIGHT NOW. I'M NOT SURE. BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING TO IS IT'S PROBABLY TYPICAL TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY. YES, IT IS TYPICAL TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY. SO IT MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE TO BUILD A BUILDING WITH THAT'S SO WIDE. YOU CAN'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY. CORRECT. THANK YOU. YES, IT IS. ANY FURTHER. ANY QUESTIONS? ANYBODY? ? YES. THIS WAS NUMBER TWO NEXT DOOR TO EACH OTHER. NO, DIFFERENT BLOCKS. I'M SORRY. SORRY. THREE APPEARS TO HAVE GENERATED NOT A WHOLE LOT OF DISSENSION. THE TASK FORCE JUST, YEAH, THAT WAS THREE . UH, HERE'S THAT WHAT WE HAVE PREDICT. YES. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT STUCCO. I'M ASSUMING THAT MOST THINGS OUT THERE ARE FRAME OR BRICK CORRECT. AND THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN DISCOURAGED FROM USING STUCCO. AND DO YOU KNOW IF THIS IS REAL STUCCO OR IT'S LIKE A DRIVE IT BOARD OR A STUCCO BOARD OR HE WAS [01:25:01] ACTUALLY PROPOSING STUCCO, LIKE APPLIED WITH A YEAH, I THINK THIS WAS MENTIONED BY THE TASK FORCE, BUT THE FLAT ROOF TYPE IST, UM, UM, COMMON IN THIS AREA? NO. NO. SO THEY WERE ENCOURAGING HIM TO EXTEND THE ROOF, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE ENTIRE BUILDING AND MAYBE PUT LIKE LITTLE COURTYARD GARDENS ON THE TWO SIDES? MM-HMM. YEAH. I MEAN A SLOPE CURVE WOULD BE BETTER ON CONNECTED. MM-HMM . AND NEITHER ARE THE, UM, ARE THE TAPERED COLUMNS. RIGHT. I MEAN, TYPICALLY THOSE ARE EITHER TWO PART OR BOX. YEAH. YEAH. DID YOU SAY THEY ARE TYPICAL OF THE AREA OR ANY OTHERS ANYMORE ON THIS ONE OR ON ANOTHER ONE? WE HAVE SO MANY TODAY. THAT'S A LOT TO CHOOSE FROM IF YOU WANNA, BUT YEAH, THIS WAS FIVE IN INFANTRY. IT'S A DUPLEX. SO I GUESS THE, UH, CR FIVE, THE ONE ON PLUMBING. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT'S ON SCREEN. OH, THAT'S WHAT'S ON SCREEN. YEAH. UM, YOU KNOW, I SEE SOME ISSUES WITH THE, THE WINDOWS LOOK INCREDIBLY HIGH COMPARED TO THE DOOR . UM, SO THEY EITHER NEED A TRANSOM OVER THE DOOR OR TO LOWER THE WINDOWS, BUT MM-HMM . YEAH. I MEAN THOSE, THOSE ARE BIG, BIG WINDOWS COMPARED FRONT DOOR. OKAY. AND I THINK OVERHANGS WOULDN'T HURT. YES. IN FACT, THIS MIGHT BE DAMAGING WHEN THE WATER WOULD RAIN DOWN, RAIN WOULD GO DOWN THE MALL, THE BUILDING MESSIAH, A GUTTER AND, AND ODD THAT THE, THE DOORS AREN'T ON THE, THE KEY PART, BUT I, IT, IT, I KNOW THAT THE SIDE, BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A DUPLEX THERE, BUT WHY IS THE CENTER PART OF THE PORCH? SO, BUT SO EMPHASIZED . AND ALSO IF YOU'RE PUTTING THE WINDOWS IN THE WINDOWS AND THE COLUMNS DON'T WORK TOGETHER, I MEAN, YOU COULD EASILY CENTER THE COLUMN WHILE YOU'RE DOING IT. YEAH. YEAH. THERE'S, WELL, I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE SOME ISSUES OF, OF EVEN INSTALLING THE WINDOWS. WHAT I WAS GONNA PROPOSE, AND ILL REPEAT IT ALL THIS AFTERNOON TOO, WAS TO SWITCH TO A PRAIRIE STYLE WITH HIP ROOFS. LIKEWISE WITH THE PORCH. IT'LL MAKE IT, UH, THERE WILL THEN BE ROOM TO GET THOSE WINDOWS IN THERE, UM, UM, TO DO, UH, ANYWAY, THERE'S SOME, UH, PLENTY OF PRAIRIE, SO IT'LL BE MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE THE APPLICANT SHOW UP, UH, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT SIGNED UP. MM-HMM . UM, BUT EITHER WAY, WE'LL, WE'LL SEND THEM THE RECORDING OR SEND THEM THE LINK TO THE RECORDING SO THAT THEY CAN HEAR ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS THIS AFTERNOON. WE'RE ALSO GONNA FACE THE ISSUE THIS AFTERNOON THAT WE MAY BE UNABLE IN OUR CONSTRAINED TIME TO GET TO ALL THE, IF WE HAVE TO HANDLE THE, THE PRESSING, NOT, THIS ISN'T PRESSING, BUT THE PRESSING MATTERS. THAT MUST GET THEIR ANSWER TODAY FIRST. AND WE COULD JUST RUN OUT OF TIME. AND THEN THAT'S ANNOYING FOR THE APPLICANTS. BUT ALL, WE DIDN'T CALL HIM A COMPUTER. I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF. ARE THERE ANY TWO STORY PRAIRIE CRAFTS OR CRAFTSMAN HOUSES IN 10TH STREET? I KNOW THERE'S THE BIG VICTORIAN, THERE'S THE BIG VICTORIAN QUEEN ANN, BUT I DON'T THINK PRAIRIE STYLE IS COMMON TO 10TH STREET. I'M THINKING OVER WHAT I PRESENTED I TWO MONTHS AGO. NO, SO THEN THE, THE WHOLE, THE BEGINNING OF THE CONVERSATION IS THIS BUILDING AND IT'S MASSING IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO THE DISTRICT. OKAY. AND, AND I CAN SEE THE TASK FORCE DID RECOMMEND THAT THERE BE FURTHER STUDY OF THE EXISTING HEALTH WITHIN THE DISTRICT BEFORE THEY REGION THEIR PLANS AND ARE BETTER CONFORMED THERE. YEAH. I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND ALL THE UH, LEDS SOCKET LIGHTING, . I FORGOT ABOUT THAT ONE. YES. , THAT'S A LOT OF LIGHTING. MM-HMM . YES. LAND A PLANE BY USING THAT HOUSE TO GUIDE YOU. . I HAVE ONE OF THOSE [01:30:01] IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT CHANGES COLORS. SO THIS ONE IS PROPOSED TO CHANGE COLORS AS WELL? YES. WELL, THAT'S A NEW TREND. I BET WE'LL SEE AGAIN, BUT I HAVE A VIDEO OF IT QUESTIONABLE APPROPRIATE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE THAT WHEN YOU CAN'T SLEEP BECAUSE OF IT, YOU SIT UP AND VIDEO IT. OKAY. SO YES, WE HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THIS APPLICANT AS WE HAVE THEIR ISSUES. OKAY. I THINK ON NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS ALSO IN 10TH STREET, BUT THE TASK FORCE WAS FAR MORE SUPPORTIVE. SO YEAH. THIS, THIS ONE IS FAR MORE SUPPORTIVE. THIS APPLICANT HAS BROUGHT BEFORE US. BEFORE HAVE, UM, NO, THIS IS HIS FIRST TURN. OKAY. WELL THEN HE MUST DONE PRETTY WELL. I THINK THE MASSING IS PRETTY OFF ON THIS ONE. IF YOU LOOK AT IT IN THREE DIMENSIONS, HOW FAR THE, UH, THAT FRONT EXTENSION, IT'S NOT AS IF THE PORCH IS JUST ATTACHED TO A, A MAJOR MASS. IT'S ACTUALLY ATTACHED TO A VERY SMALL ONE. AND SO THE, THE PROPORTIONS OF IT ARE QUITE ODD. UM, AGAIN, I'VE, WELL, OKAY, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA GET TO IT THIS AFTERNOON, THEN PERHAPS COMMENTS NOW WOULD BE BEST. UM, BUT IF WE DON'T GET IT TO THIS AFTERNOON, IT'LL BE ON NEXT MONTH. OH, OKAY. DON'T PLACE ALL OF YOUR THOUGHTS IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA COME BACK TO YOU. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. BUT I CAN FIX IT HERE. I CAN. WELL THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. . OKAY, SO ON 1128 CHURCH STREET, YOU CAN FIX THAT ONE. . HE IS A PROFESSIONAL. THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YES. THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 1128 CHURCH STREET. YEP. THE ONE ON YOUR SCREEN. YEP. I HAVE A QUESTION. ARE THE WINDOWS ON ALL OF THESE NEW CONSTRUCTION? WE'RE NOT REALLY DWELLING WITH THOSE KIND OF DETAILS, BUT ARE THEY VINYL, ALUMINUM, WOOD ON MOST OF THESE? MOST OF THESE ARE ALUMINUM. I DO HAVE A FEW THAT ARE DOING WOOD, BUT DEFINITELY NO VINYL. SO ALUMINUM IS APPROVABLE OR ALLOWABLE IN 10TH STREET AND WHEAT. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY NEXT? SEVEN. IT A SEVEN. SEVEN TAKES US BACK TO WHEATLEY PLACE. YES. SEVEN TAKES US BACK TO WHEATLAND PLACE. AND IS THE SAME APPLICANT AS EIGHT RIGHT NOW? THIS APPLICANT HAS BEEN BEFORE US IN THE PAST. NO. NO. AND WE HAVE SOMEONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS. YES. SO ON SEVEN AND EIGHT, IF, IF WE HAVE ONLY ENOUGH TIME FOR SOME COURTESY REVIEWS, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY PUT FIRST THE ONES WHERE SOMEBODY IS ABLE TO TALK TO US. 'CAUSE OTHERWISE WE WE'RE NOT QUITE AS HELPFUL IF WE DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE DOING IT THAT WAY OR WHAT THEY WISH THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO CHANGE OR DON'T CARE ABOUT ME. MM-HMM. AND THEN THAT'S, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? YEAH, I CAN'T READ THAT. WHAT'S THE DIMENSION ON THAT DEPTH OF THAT PORCH? UM, NO, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A MINIMUM OF 50. UM, OKAY. EIGHT FEET. BUT I THINK HE'S GOING FROM THE FRONT OF THE PORCH COLUMN THAT'S EIGHT FEET TO THE BACKSIDE OF THE COLUMN TO THE FRONT, NO FACE OR IS THAT OVERALL? I THINK THAT'S OVERALL. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? OR, AGAIN, THIS IS THE ONE YOU CAN TALK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT. I HAD ONE QUICK QUESTION. COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE LEFT ELEVATION FOR A SECOND? [01:35:01] IF YOU LOOK AT THE RIGHT ELEVATION, THE PORCH AND THE ROOF ENTER, THEY, THEY JOINED CORRECTLY, BUT THE OTHER SIDE IS KIND OF STRANGE. OH, THAT'S THE RIGHT ELEVATION. THEY BUILT UP OTHER SIDE AND THIS THE LEFT. IS THAT THE LEFT SIDE? YEAH. YEAH. MM-HMM . I, I, FOR SOME REASON I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOMETHING AND NEVERMIND, BUT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S JUST A, THERE, THE FRONT ELEVATION THING. I THINK THE, THE, SO THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE. I, I SEE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH, ON THE LEFT ELEVATION MAY HAVE THROWN YOU OFF BECAUSE IT STILL SHOWS THE HIP, WHEREAS FROM THE FRONT ELEVATION, IT LOOKS LIKE THE PORCH SHOULD BE IN THE SE JUST BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE MAIN ROOF. RIGHT. DID THAT, IS THAT, AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT? THEY SAME, BUT THEY LOOKED THE SAME. THEY SHOULD BE COPLAN AND STUFF. WHAT I REMEMBER SEEING, AND I, WE CAN'T FIND IT NOW, IS THAT THE PORCH WAS KIND OF, THERE WAS SIDING ON THE, ON THE GABLE OF THE PORCH. AND IT WAS AWKWARD THE WAY IT CONNECTED TO THE MAIN ROOF. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE I SAW THAT. YOU KNOW, ANOTHER PORCH PERHAPS. WE GOT A LOT OF 'EM. I THOUGHT IT WAS THIS HOUSE WHERE THE, THE PORCH EXTENDED FURTHER AND THEN IT WAS SIDED OVER. IT WASN'T IS THIS THE, WHICH ELEVATION IS THIS? THIS IS, THIS IS RIGHT. SHOW ME THE LEFT ONE MORE TIME. LET'S SEE IF I CAN, I GUESS IT'S OKAY. NEVERMIND. OKAY. WE WANT ON SEVEN OR ON EIGHT, WHICH IS THE SAME APPLICANT, SO OH, OKAY. SO EIGHT. YEAH, THIS IS THE NEXT ONE. THIS IS EIGHT BY THE SAME APPLICANT. EXCUSE ME. I GOT, I GOT CONFUSED. WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT IS THE PORCH ROOF KIND OF GOES OVER AND IT, AND THEN THERE'S LIKE THE ONE STORY PART OF IT. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? THE, THE PORCH ROOF EXTENDS OVER AND THEN IT'S LIKE GOT SIDING IN IT. IT'S, IT'S A VERY AWKWARD DETAIL. YEAH. I MEAN I THINK THE PORCH ROOF SHOULD, OR THE PORCH SHOULD END AND THE, THE OTHER ROOF SHOULD BEGIN WHERE THE, WHERE THE WALL IS RIGHT HERE? YES. ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE. OH, I SEE. YEAH. AND THAT'S A VERY, ON THE RIGHT SIDE. MM-HMM . SO THE MAIN ROOF SHOULD EXTEND OVER TO THAT WALL. THERE, THERE, RIGHT HERE. I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS, WAS KIND OF WRONG WITH THE FIRST ONE WAS THIS IS WHAT THE PORCH ROOF IS AT THE SAME SLOPE AS THE MAIN ROOF. SO IT, IT DOES JUST BECOME ONE ROOF ON THIS SIDE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE, YOU'LL SEE ON THE, LET'S LOOK AT THE LEFT ELEVATION. OKAY. THERE IT LOOKS CORRECT. YES. IS THIS NUMBER SEVEN TWYMAN? THIS IS NUMBER 8 36 21 MILES STREET. OKAY. IT'S THE SAME BUILDER, SAME APPLICANT. SO WE PROBA PROBABLY NEED TO BRING THAT UP AND HE IS LISTED AS BEING IN ATTENDANCE. SO IT'S THE RIGHT ELEVATION OF THIS ONE. UH, UH, THIS IS NUMBER EIGHT. YES. AND LEMME LOOK AT THE RIGHT ELEVATION AGAIN REAL QUICK, JUST SO I GET MY BEARING. YEAH, IT'S THE RIGHT ELEVATION OF NUMBER EIGHT. YEAH, THAT SHOULD BE MM-HMM . A ROOF PLAN WOULD CERTAINLY HELP. YEAH, IT WOULD PROBABLY CLARIFY EXACTLY WHAT THEY FORESEE HAPPENING ON THIS SIDE WHERE THE PORCH IS TO THE SIDE AND LINES UP WITH IT. YEAH. BECAUSE THERE MUST BE SOME DIFFERENTIATION. APPRECIATION, UH, CHILDREN . OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON OUR AGENDA ITEMS? WOULD YOU LIKE TO [01:40:01] KNOW WHERE LUNCH IS? IT IS IN FIVE ES ONE FLOOR DOWN ON THE RED RIGHT DIRECTLY BELOW US. THAT'S, THAT'S THING TO DO IF WE GO OUT THAT DOOR, TAKE THE ELEVATORS DOWN TO FIFTH FLOOR AND THAT ROOM BEHIND COUNCIL ST. OH, IT'S THE BRIEFING ROOM. OH, IT'S A LITTLE, THE LITTLE LUNCH ROOM. YEAH. WELL WE USED TO HAVE OUR BRIEFINGS. RIGHT. OKAY. WELL THEN I GUESS AT 1154 OUR BRIEFING IS, UM, IS RECESSED AND WE WILL RETURN AT PRECISELY ONE O'CLOCK TO BEGIN OUR SHORT MEETING AT PRECISELY ONE O'CLOCK. ANYBODY WHO'S NOT HERE MISSED AND COME WHEN YOU CAN. IF I'M NOT HERE AT ONE, COURTNEY WILL BEGIN AT ONE BECAUSE WE MUST BEGIN AT ONE. WE ONLY HAVE THREE HOURS. GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THE MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION. IT IS SEPTEMBER 6TH AT PRECISELY ONE O'CLOCK, AND I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER. I'M EVELYN MONTGOMERY, THE CHAIR AND COURTNEY SP IS OUR VICE CHAIR. UH, FOR ALL I KNOW, YOU ALL KNOW HOW WE ENDED UP HAVING THIS MEETING ON SATURDAY, BUT I AGAIN APOLOGIZE TO ALL APPLICANTS FOR THE INCONVENIENCE AND THE FURTHER INCONVENIENCE THAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD. WE MUST EXIT THE BUILDING BY PRECISELY FOUR O'CLOCK DUE TO SECURITY REASONS AND THEREFORE WE MAY NOT GET THROUGH THE ENTIRE AGENDA, BUT WE WILL REFORMAT THE AGENDA TO GET THE THINGS THAT MUST BE HEARD TODAY FIRST, AND THEN DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN. SO WE WILL TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF COMMISSIONERS WHILE STILL DOING A GOOD JOB OF MAKING OUR INFORMED DECISIONS AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE SUPPORTED FOR ANY FUTURE REVIEWS. PEOPLE MAY UNDERSTAND WHY WE DID THEM. UM, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM HERE IF, UM, ELAINE WILL CALL THE ROLL DISTRICT TWO. COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY, I'M HERE. DISTRICT THREE. COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN. DISTRICT FOUR. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. PRESENT. DISTRICT FIVE. COMMISSIONER OFFIT. HERE. DISTRICT SIX. COMMISSIONER HENO HOSA. DISTRICT EIGHT. COMMISSIONER PEL. DISTRICT NINE. COMMISSIONER RENO. PRESENT. DISTRICT 11. COMMISSIONER GAY. DISTRICT 12. COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER. PRESENT DISTRICT 13. COMMISSIONER. PRE PRESENT DISTRICT 14. COMMISSIONER HARPER PRESENT. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON PRESENT. COMMISSIONER REEVES AND COMMISSIONER CUMMINS. PRESENT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU ELAINE. UM, I BELIEVE THAT COMMISSIONER BEI IS GONNA HAVE SOME MOTIONS ABOUT THE CONSENT AGENDA AND THE ORGANIZATION OF OUR AGENDA OF THE ORDER WE HEARING TODAY. FIRST I JUST WANNA CONFIRM THE INDIVIDUALS THAT I HAVE, UH, IN PERSON HERE WOULD BE FOR CONSENT ITEM THREE, COURTESY REVIEW FOUR AND DISCUSSION ITEM ONE. IS THERE, ARE ANY OF YOU HERE FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN CONSENT THREE. COURTESY REVIEW FOUR OR DISCUSSION ITEM ONE. PERFECT. OKAY. UH, THEN LET'S GO AHEAD AND WE'LL TAKE A LOOK FOR OUR CONSENT. I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS ONE THROUGH SIX FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION. SECOND. UH, OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? YES. YES. YES. EVERYONE SAY YES? ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION HAS CARRIED, UH, THE SPEAKERS WHO WERE HERE FOR C3, IT HAS, UH, PASSED ACCORDING TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH, WITH THEIR APPROVAL, AND THEY WILL LET YOU KNOW WHAT THEY MEANT AND WHAT FURTHER YOU NEED TO DO TO PROCEED WITH YOUR WORK. OKAY. UH, SOMEONE ELSE HAS, HAS JUST JOINED US. DO YOU HAVE, UM, WHAT ITEM ARE YOU HERE FOR TODAY, SAM? OKAY. YEAH, IT'S US . YEAH, IT WAS SIGNED UP. THAT WASN'T SIGNED UP. YEAH, I'M HERE. THIS LOAN. SO THAT WOULD BE COURTESY REVIEW ITEM SEVEN AND EIGHT, CORRECT. COURTESY SEVEN AND EIGHT. OH, NO. OKAY. WE'LL GIVE COMMISSIONER POLICY A MOMENT TO INCORPORATE THAT INFORMATION INTO HER CLIENT. YEAH, IT'S LIKE A TEST. ALL RIGHT THEN, UM, DOES SEE HAVE A SAID, SHE'LL KNOW HOW TO BE SPELLING OUT. [01:45:05] OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO TAKING AN ACCOUNT WHO IS IN PERSON AS WELL AS THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ONLINE, I MOVE THAT WE REARRANGED THE AGENDA TO TAKE IT IN ORDER OF THE FOLLOWING, STARTING WITH COURTESY REVIEW ITEM TWO, FOLLOWED BY OH, OH OH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. LEMME TRY THIS ONE. IS, IS SOMEONE HERE TO SPEAK ON [01:50:01] TWYMAN AVENUE OR MEYER STREET SEVEN AND EIGHT COURTESY REVIEW? HE IS. [01:56:13] OKAY, SO, ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO KEEPING, KEEPING IN MIND WHO IS PRESENT IN PERSON AND ONLINE, FOLLOWED BY WHAT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED IN REGARDS TO TIME CONSTRAINTS, I MOVE THAT WE REARRANGE THE AGENDA TO THE FOLLOWING. WE'LL START WITH COURTESY REVIEW ITEM ONE, AND THEN THREE, WE'LL DO COURTESY REVIEW ITEM TWO, AND THEN COURTESY REVIEW ITEM FOUR, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEM ONE, MOVING ONLINE COURTESY REVIEW FIVE, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEM FOUR, DISCUSSION EIGHT, DISCUSSION ITEM TWO. THEN WE WILL DO DISCUSSION ITEM THREE, FIVE, AND SIX, FOLLOWED BY COURTESY REVIEW SIX. AND THEN TAKE DISCUSSION ITEM SEVEN AND EIGHT. NO, I ALREADY DID. WE ALREADY, I DID EIGHT THEN. OH, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M THINKING OF. UH, I THINK CURTIS REVIEWS. THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. YEAH. COURTESY REVIEW SIX FOLLOWED BY COURTESY REVIEW SEVEN AND THEN EIGHT. DO HAVE A SECOND TIME THIS MOTION? SECOND? YEAH. LAST ONE. COURTESY REVIEW. EIGHT. OKAY. REAL QUICK, FOR WHICH ONE? IT IS RIGHT AFTER COURTESY REVIEW. SIX. SO HERE'S WHAT I WROTE DOWN. PERHAPS I'M RIGHT. COURTESY REVIEW ONE. COURTESY REVIEW THREE. COURTESY REVIEW TWO. MM-HMM . COURTESY REVIEW FOUR. MM-HMM . DISCUSSION ONE. MM-HMM . COURTESY REVIEW FIVE. MM-HMM . D FOUR, D EIGHT. D 2, 3, 5 6. CR SIX D SEVEN. AND THEN CR SEVEN AND EIGHT. ALL. ANYBODY ON SECOND ON THAT? SECOND? UH, ROTHENBERGER WAS THE SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ALL RIGHT. MOTION IS CARRIED. SO LET US BEGIN. CR ONE NOW YOU CAN BREATHE. COURTNEY . OH, YES. WE NEED A TASK FORCE READER. WHO'S GONNA READ? GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER. AND ARE WE ABLE TO SKIP THE STAFF READING IN STUFF? WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT FOR A WHILE, MATT. IT'S SATURDAY . UM, THIS IS A STA MEETING FOR THE COURTESY REVIEWS. CAN WE JUST STATE THE CASE NUMBER AND, AND ADDRESS? YEAH, THAT'S FINE. WITHOUT THINK'S HAVING TO READ OUT IN THE RECOMMENDATION AND EVERYTHING YEAH. FOR THE COURTESY REVIEW, I THINK THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE FOR ALL OF THEM. CAN WE? PROBABLY NOT FOR ALL OF THEM. OKAY. ALL RIGHTY. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF PRESENTING COURTESY REVIEW ITEM ONE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 26 0 9 D. DAVE IS STILL TRYING TO DECIDE DA STREET IN QUEEN CITY, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER PRE DESIGNATION MORATORIUM. THE CASE NUMBER IS CO OA DASH 25 DASH 2 63. THIS IS COURTESY REVIEW. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, TASK FIRST, RECOMMENDATION AHEAD. I THOUGHT WE LEARNED, UH, YEAH, WE DON'T. OKAY. ALL WELCOME. SIR, COULD YOU PLEASE BEGIN BY GIVING US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOUR PROMISE OR OATH TO TELL THE TRUTH? RODERICK WEST 1512 COMMERCE STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 1. UH, I PROMISE TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP ME, GOD. OKAY. THAT WAS A NICE TOUCH YOU [02:00:01] OUTTA THERE. ALRIGHT, SIR, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO, UM, INFORM US MORE ABOUT YOUR PROJECT AND THEN WE WILL ASK YOU QUESTIONS AND GIVE YOU A GOOD ONES. OOH. SO IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. UH, THIS SITE, UH, THE DESIGN CAME FOR THIS, UH, STRUCTURE STRICTLY BECAUSE THE, UH, UH, EXISTING, UH, CURB CUT IS INSET INTO THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE SITE PLAN ITSELF. AND SO, WHICH FORCED THIS HOUSE TO BE MORE SQUISHED, RIGHT? UH, GIVING IT MORE OF A SHOTGUN STYLE TO IT. UH, AS A RESULT, WE'VE HAD TO GO TWO STORIES IN ORDER TO GET THE, UH, BEDROOM COUNT UP ON THIS. AND THEY GIVE APPROPRIATE LIVING SPACE AND A KITCHEN SPACE IN HERE TO WHICH MODERN HOMES, UH, TYPICALLY HAVE WITHIN THIS NEW MARKET THAT WE HAVE. AND SO THIS PROPERTY IS FOUR BEDROOMS, THREE AND A HALF BATHS, THREE OF THOSE BEDROOMS BEING UP THERE ON THE, UH, SECOND LEVEL AND THE, UH, MASTER, UH, BEING THERE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. IT'S KIND OF HARD TO PRESENT THIS WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO CONTROL THE PDF HERE, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. THAT'S THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. UM, THE INTENT, OF COURSE, WAS TO FIT IT WITHIN THE QUEEN CITY'S FABRIC AS BEST AS WE, UH, WE CAN. THERE'S NOT MANY TWO STORY PRODUCTS IN THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, AND MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE EITHER GOING TO BE, UH, THOSE, UH, FOUR SQUARE THAT YOU SEE ON THE CONTEXT ON THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER WITH THAT PINK ONE. OR THEY'RE GONNA BE THE SADDLEBACKS WHERE THEY'RE JUST THE ONE STORY ON THE FRONT, AND THEN THEY, UH, HAVE THE SECOND LEVEL WITHIN THE BACK. AND SO WE CHOSE TO GO THAT DIRECTION WHERE THE SECOND LEVEL WAS JUST IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. UH, BESIDES THAT, WE'RE GOING, COMING FORWARD WITH THE WOOD SIDING THAT, UH, I FORGET WHAT THE PROFILE NUMBER IS, BUT IT'S ON THE MATERIAL PALLET THERE. AND, UM, YEAH, WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD TO KEEP THIS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT QUEEN CITY, QUEEN CITY LOOKS LIKE. YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONERS, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, UM, AND SOME SUGGESTIONS. SO YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE, UH, WELL WE, SO FIRST OF ALL, WE WERE TRYING TO FIND EXAMPLES OF, OF THE CAMELBACK WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, THE SECOND STORY IS ALL THE WAY TO THE REAR. MM-HMM . UM, I KNOW YOU HAVE PROVIDED, UM, ONE EXAMPLE THAT'S GOT, UM, TWO STORY THAT'S EFFECTIVELY FROM NOT ALL THE WAY FROM THE FACE, BUT, UM, BUT JUST SLIGHTLY BACK, UM, IS THERE, UH, I GUESS I WOULD BE MORE, MORE PRONE TO DO A TWO STORY ELEVATION FROM THE FRONT RATHER THAN PUSHING IT ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK. UM, THE, UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, I, I COULDN'T FIND ANY, UH, ANY CAMELBACKS. WERE THERE SOME ADDRESSES THAT YOU FOUND? YES, SIR. UM, I SHOULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB OF HAVING THAT RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF ME. NO, THAT'S OKAY. UH, THERE'S ONE AT 38 24. LET ME PULL THAT UP REAL QUICK. THERE'S GONNA BE ONE AT 38 24 KARD. K-Y-N-A-R-D-K-Y-N-A-R-D. YEAH. KARD STREET. I THINK IT, I BELIEVE IT'S 38 24. OKAY. WHICH ONE ROGER? 38 24 OR 39 24. I'M SORRY. OH, K , IF I HAD GOOGLE RIGHT HERE. HERE YOU GO. YES, MA'AM. AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT SECOND LEVEL IN THE BACK THERE, AND THERE'S OTHER EXAMPLES, BUT THIS IS THE ONE THAT I CAN PULL UP OFF TOP. I HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH. THIS ONE SEEMS, HANG ON, PERMISSION. COMMISSIONER RENO, WERE YOU CONTINUING? YEAH. OKAY. NO, I, I WAS JUST THINKING THAT THIS ONE SEEMS A LITTLE UNUSUAL WITH SUCH A LARGE GABLE AT THE PLANT. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS ONE'S ACTUALLY BEEN MODIFIED SINCE IT'S ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION. HOWEVER, I MEAN, I DO APPRECIATE THE, UM, THE, THE APPROACH ON THE DESIGN ON THE, ON THE REAR. AND [02:05:01] ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS GONNA SUGGEST IS INSTEAD OF DOING A GABLE ON THAT SECOND FLOOR, THAT, THAT FACES THE, THE FRONT STREET MM-HMM . IS YOU COULD LEAVE THE, THE CROSS GABLE INSTEAD AND MAYBE FLIP THE PROPORTION TO WHERE THE, THE, THAT CROSS GABLE IS AT THE FRONT. IS THAT THE WAY YOU'VE GOT IT RIGHT NOW, THE GABLE COMES TO THE FRONT AND THEN THE, THE CROSS GABLE IS TOWARD THE REAR. MM-HMM . YOU COULD ALMOST ROTATE THE ROOF FRAME ALL THE WAY, UH, 180 DEGREES. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OR MAYBE NOT EVEN DO THE GABLE ON THE BACK SIDE. CAN Y'ALL SO SHOW, UH, THOSE BOTTOM ELEVATIONS, WHOEVER WAS CONTROLLING THAT PDL. ALL RIGHT. SO ON THAT RIGHT BOTTOM ONE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT, UH, BASICALLY THAT WOULD BE THE FRONT FACE, THE BACK, THE CURRENT BACK FACE WOULD BE THE FRONT FACE? EXACTLY. SO YOU'VE GOT THE, WHAT DID IT, WHAT IT'S, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS REDUCE THE, THE SCALE OF THAT SEVENTH FLOOR, UM, YOU KNOW, VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. AS YOU CAN SEE IN THAT EXAMPLE WE JUST LOOKED AT IT WAS, IT WAS A HIP. YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO A HIP. YOU COULD DO JUST, YOU KNOW, THE CROSS CABLE. 'CAUSE THAT WAY THE WHOLE HOUSE COULD STAY GABLE. MM-HMM . WHICH I, I THINK IS, UH, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. WOULD YOU FIND THAT ACCEPTABLE? I WOULD HAVE TO STUDY IT BEFORE DONE THOUGH. YEAH. 'CAUSE OTHERWISE I WOULD'VE SUGGESTED TO FLIP YOUR STAIR AND PULL THAT SECOND STORY TO THE FRONT. SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY, THE ONE THING FOR SURE NEED TO CAPTURE MORE EXAMPLES OF THOSE CAMELBACK ROOF, I MEAN, CALVIN BACK, UH, HOUSES OVER THERE. YEAH. IN THE QUEEN CITY AREA. YEAH. AND THEN POSSIBLY STUDY ROTATING THAT ROUTE TO WHERE YOU GET, UH, NOT NECESSARILY A GABLE OR PROBABLY, YEAH. IT, IT WOULD BE A, WHAT I MEAN BY CROSS GABLE, IT'S, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, UH, YEAH, THE SHAPE IS ROTATED. UM, 90 DEGREES. OKAY. MR. ANDERSON, UH, YES. UM, I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER RONALD THAT THERE'S TOO MUCH MASSING UP THERE. I SEE YOU HAVE THE TWO GABLES. ARE THOSE GABLES NECESSARY FOR LIVING SPACE? IS THERE ANY USE FOR THOSE? WELL, I'M THINKING MAYBE YOU COULD DO SOMETHING WITH DORMERS. SO IT WOULD BE A STORY AND A HALF WITH DORMERS COMING OFF THE MAIN ROOF AND CUTTING OUT THOSE TWO, UM, GABLES, WHICH PROBABLY ARE ARCHITECTURALLY THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REAL PRACTICAL USE FOR THE, IS THERE ANY LIVING SPACE IN THOSE GABLES? NO. NO, SIR. SO WHAT IF WE TOOK THE GABLES AWAY AND DID SOME DORMERS OFF THE ROOF, LIKE A SHED DORMER COMING OFF THE ROOF? UH, FIRST I WOULD'VE TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY EXAMPLES OF DORMERS IN QUEEN CITY. I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF THERE IS OR NOT. UH, I'M NOT SAYING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. UH, SECONDLY, UH, DORMERS THERE, YOU CAN STUDY IT AND SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. UH, I CAN'T SAY LEFT OR RIGHT ON THAT ONE. I THINK WHAT WE'D HAVE, YOU'D HAVE A, A SMALL LITTLE, WELL, LIKE A DORMER, BUT LOOKING DOWN THE SIDE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT MASSIVE GABLE STRUCTURE. YOU'D HAVE A SIMPLE DORMER, WHICH WOULD, UH, MITIGATE MUCH OF THAT HEIGHT AND DENSITY. SO I THINK THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER A STORY AND A HALF INSTEAD OF A GABLE CROSS GABLE DEAL STORY AND A HALF. SO IS THAT MORE PUSHBACK TO HAVING A SECOND FLOOR BEING ARTICULATED, OR WOULD, UH, ARE YOU JUST THINKING THAT, THAT THE HEIGHT THAT THE ROOF HAS IS TOO MUCH? BOTH. I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT FOUND IN QUEEN CITY. THERE ARE SOME SMALL LITTLE POPUPS THAT YOU SHOWED ON THE OTHER STREET, BUT WE'RE CREATING A WHOLE NEW, NEW, UM, KINDA STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE THAT DOESN'T EXIST THOUGH, BY TAKING THE TWO GABLES AWAY AND ADDING IT, TAKING THE, THE BEDROOM UP THERE, MAKING THAT INTO A DORMER WILL MITIGATE THE PROBLEM OF THE MASSING IN THE BACK. ANYBODY ELSE? ONE OTHER SUGGESTION ON THE, UM, UH, YOUR ATTIC WINDOWS. UM, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH EVER SEEING A A, AN OVAL VERTICAL. UM, YOU COULD EITHER DO, UH, YOU COULD DO VERTICAL, BUT, UH, BUT IF IT WAS, UH, SQUARE, I MEAN, UH, ORTHOGONAL , UM, SQUARED OFF INSTEAD OF ROUND. SO IN THOSE CONTEXTUAL IMAGES, YOU'LL SEE EXAMPLES OF THOSE, UM, AND, UH, OCTAGONAL SHAPES AS WELL AS CIRCULAR SHAPES. [02:10:05] YEAH, I, I SAW THOSE AS WELL. BUT EVEN THOSE AREN'T VERTICAL OVALS. THAT WAS THE ONLY THING I, IT WAS JUST THAT ONE FORM. UM, YOU DO SEE, LIKE FOR INSTANCE ON 6 0 3, IT'S A, IT'S A VERTICAL, UH, ANGLED VENT THAT THE RIGHT, THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO DO MM-HMM . DOWN WHICH WAY TO, TO THE, THE RIGHT. OKAY. ALL THE WAY ON THE LEFT. OKAY. SOMEBODY SAYING LEFT, SOMEBODY SAYING IT'S ALL THE WAY ON THE LEFT. THE ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT. OH YEAH. OKAY. WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE, THE LITTLE BITTY ONE ON ALL THE WAY ON THE LEFT. OH. OH, OKAY. NO ONE. WHY DO COMPUTER HATE THE COMPUTERS HATE US? THEY'RE JUST THIS ONE TRYING MOVE THE ONE TO THE LEFT OF THE PROPOSED RESIDENT. YEAH, RIGHT HERE. YEAH. I, I'M AWARE THAT WE ARE, UH, I HAVE BEEN REMINDED BY SOME COMMISSIONERS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HURRY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET THROUGH STUFF. IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT, SO, OKAY. YEAH, BUT THAT'S, SO A, A SMALLER YEAH. A, A WINDOW THAT IS THE SAME HEIGHT AS IT IS WIDTH WOULD BE BETTER THAN THIS VERTICAL ONE. IF ONE WISHES TO HAVE A ROUND R ANTAGON WINDOW IN THERE. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. ALSO, UH, DR. DUNN IS THE, UM, PORCH FORM THE, THE TINY SHED PORCH. I SEE IT ON ONE OF THE EXAMPLES. SO IS THAT, UM, OFTEN SEEN IN, I WOULDN'T SAY OFTEN, BUT I'VE SEEN QUITE A FEW ENOUGH TO COUNT. OKAY. YEAH. ENOUGH TO COUNT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR ALRIGHTY THEN SORRY TO SORT OF RUSH YOU THROUGH, SIR. AGAIN, IT IS NOBODY'S FAULT. NOT YOURS. NOT OURS, NOT ANYBODY ELSE'S . YES MA'AM. APPRECIATE IT. UM, IF, IF YOU COULD PLEASE WORK ON THE, THE CAMELBACK PART TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT LESS, UM, OBVIOUS AND ADDRESS THOSE SMALL ISSUES, THEN MAYBE WE'LL BE READY TO GO. YEAH, I KNOW . AND THEN, THEN THERE'S YOUR NEXT ONE. YES MA'AM. . ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. SO DON'T GO ANYWHERE. WE'RE DOING THAT ONE NEXT. ALL RIGHT. COURTESY. YEAH, YOU'RE STILL UP. COURTESY REVIEW ITEM THREE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 34, NO, 38 24 MYRTLE STREET IN QUEEN CITY, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER PRE-DESIGN MORATORIUM. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 0 0 2 61. UH, THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW. OKAY, SIR, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL US WHO YOU'RE AGAIN, 'CAUSE WE KNOW NOW. UM, JUST TELL US WHAT YOU WANT TO ABOUT THIS PROJECT. OKAY. SO SIMILAR TO THE LAST ONE, WE WANT TO OF COURSE KEEP IT WITHIN THE QUEEN CITY STYLE. WE DID TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, ARTISTIC, UH, FREEDOM WITHIN THAT CENTRAL PIECE. UH, THE GENERAL THOUGHT ABOUT THAT IS, UM, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT A LOT OF THESE HOUSES OVER THERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, EXPERIENCE THEIR ORIGINAL BUILD AND THEN THEY'RE ADDED ON TO AS YEARS GO ON. AND SO THAT SIMILAR THOUGHT IS CAPTURED HERE, BUT JUST AT ONE NEW DEAL AT TIME. SO THE IDEA IS THAT THAT FRONT HOUSE WAS BUILT WAY BACK WHEN, AND THEN THROUGH A SERIES OF ADDITIONS, YOU HAVE THAT CENTRAL PIECE. UH, AND THEN LATER ON ADDITION TO HAVE MORE BEDROOMS, YOU HAVE THE, THE BACK PIECE. AND SO IF YOU LOOK FLOOR PLAN WISE, MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC FUNCTIONS OF YOUR HOUSE, MEANING YOUR LIVING ROOM, UH, KITCHEN, UH, GUEST ROOM SPACE, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, IS GONNA BE PLACED IN THAT FRONT SIDE WITH THAT CENTRAL PORTION BEING A STUDY, UH, SLASH LIBRARY OR WHOEVER, HOWEVER THE TENANT WANTS TO USE IT, UH, IN THAT BACK AREA, HOUSING, ALL OF THE BEDROOMS. AND SO THIS ONE'S GOING TO BE A FOUR BEDROOM, TWO AND A HALF BATH, UM, ALL ONE LEVEL, UNLIKE THE LAST ONE. UH, AND WE, UH, HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CREATE THIS KIND OF COURTYARD OF SPACE WITHIN THAT CENTRAL PORTION, KIND OF LIKE THE, UH, LIKE A LITTLE HAVEN FOR WHOEVER'S THERE, RIGHT? SO THEY HAVE THEIR BACKYARD. AND I ALSO ALSO HAVE THIS COURTYARD, UH, FEATURE TO THIS HOUSE. UH, ALSO WITH THIS PROPERTY, IT'S KIND OF WEIRD BECAUSE, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SITE PLAN, IT KIND OF HAS ANOTHER EXTENSION, WHICH CURRENTLY, UH, BEHIND THERE THE CHURCH IS USING AT ITS PARKING LOT. UH, FROM JUST LOOKING AT IT, THERE IS NO EXISTING CURB CUT IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. IT SEEMS LIKE THEY WERE UTILIZING THAT [02:15:01] CURB CUT ON THE, UH, ON PICKMAN IN ORDER TO ACCESS THE BACK, BACK OF THIS HOUSE. UM, WHATEVER HAPPENED WITHIN HISTORY OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, THE CHURCH TOOK THAT AREA FOR THEIR PARKING LOT. AND, UM, SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS JUST GOING TO CREATING A CURB CUT IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IN ORDER TO HAVE THAT DRIVE. UH, WHICH WOULD BE TYPICAL WHAT YOU'RE SAYING OVER THERE IN QUEEN CITY CURRENTLY. UH, THAT'S THE QUICK NITTY GRITTY OF IT. ALL RIGHT, COMMENTARY ON THIS ONE. THIS IS COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. UM, I THINK THE FRONT FACADE IS VERY APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, MY ONLY COMMENT IS POTENTIALLY SOME MI MINOR ROOF ALTERCATION, UH, MODIFICATION FOR THAT MIDDLE PIECE, BUT I'M OPEN TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS AS WELL. BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE FORM AND THE SCALE OF THE ONE STORY HOME. WHAT TYPE OF ROOF MODIFICATION FOR THE HYPHEN PIECE WERE YOU? THANK YOU. THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDED EXTENDING THE GABLE. WE'RE LOOKING AT STANDING SCENE. UH, SO ON THE CONTEXT, WE'VE LOCATED DIFFERENT HOUSES AND PROPERTIES THAT ALREADY USED METAL ROOFING. UH, AND SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO DO A CONTINUATION OF THAT. OH YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT'S GREAT. WE'RE JUST SAYING, SHOULD IT CONTINUE OVER THAT HYPHEN, BECAUSE THE TASK FORCE DID SAY THAT THE CENTERPIECE OUGHT TO HAVE ROOF TWO INSTEAD OF FLAT, MA'AM. OH, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S EXTEND THAT GABLE? YEAH. THAT THAT'S WHAT THE TASK FORCE SAID. YES. FLAT ROOFS NOT BEING COMMON. MM-HMM . IN HOUSING IN GENERAL. ? YES MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. SO WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, CHANGING THE ROOF OVER THAT? I WOULD LOVE IF Y'ALL GAVE SOME CREATIVE FREEDOM IN THIS CENTRAL PORTION, ESPECIALLY FROM THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT VISIBLE TO ANY PUBLIC, UH, FROM THE STREETS OR WHATEVER ELSE HAVE YOU. UM, AND I REALIZE THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S COMMON, BUT YET IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO SEE. UM, AND SO I WOULD ASK FOR CREATIVE FREEDOM ON THAT PORTION. UH, IF THAT IS JUST A NO GO, THEN I'M KIND OF FORCED TO PUT A GABLE OVER THAT, THAT I, WHEN YOU COME BACK TO ACTUALLY SEEK YOUR CA I WOULD SUGGEST GIVING US THE TWO OPTIONS. AND IF YOU'RE GONNA ARGUE THAT WE CAN'T SEE THE FLAT ROOF FROM THE FRONT, YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO DO YOUR PROGRAM TO REALLY ACCURATELY SHOW US WHAT IF WE WERE SITTING ON THE SIDEWALK, WE COULD SEE MA'AM. OH, SO, SO YOU KNOW, LIKE WHERE I STANDING ON THE SIDEWALK, WOULD I REALLY SEE THAT FLAT ROOF AND KNOW IT WAS THERE OR NOT? IF YOU CAN FIGURE OUT SOME WAY TO DEMONSTRATE THAT TO US. YES, MA'AM. IF WE CAN GO TO THE COVER PAGE, DR. DUN, WHICH ONE? WHERE WE HAVE THE RENDERING, THE FIRST PAGE. OKAY. NO, SO WE WOULD GO TO LIKE THE ONE ON THE TOP. RIGHT. AND SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S AN INDENTION OVER THERE FROM THE STREET. YEAH. UH, YOU WOULDN'T SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AT ALL. AND THEN, UH, FROM THAT LEFT PERSPECTIVE, THEY HAVE A HOUSE OVER THERE. SO ON THAT BOTTOM LEFT IMAGE, YOU WOULDN'T SEE THAT. SO NOBODY COULD STAND THERE. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE ROOF OR ANY OTHER ASPECT? MOSTLY IT SEEMS TO BE QUITE A NICE HOUSE. I JUST HAD A SUGGESTION ON THE COLUMNS. UM, THE FRONT PORCH COLUMN, I LOVE THE SIZE OF IT. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LIVABLE PORCH WAS, WHICH IS FANTASTIC. UM, SO REALLY I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE DETAILING OF THE, THOSE TWO COLUMNS OUT AT THE FRONT. GENERALLY, THEY'RE EITHER A TWO PART, UM, WHERE YOU GOT BRICK UP TO SAY TWO AND A HALF FEET, MAYBE THREE FEET, AND THEN THE REST OF IT WOULD BE, UH, IT COULD BE TAPERED WOOD ON THE TOP OF THAT, OR IT'S JUST A BOX COLUMN. UM, I THINK THE, THE TWO PART COLUMN WOULD BE TERRIFIC AND, AND YOU'D SEE A NUMBER OF THOSE IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD SUGGEST THEN WAS ALSO TO, UM, EXPOSE THE RAPTORS RAPTOR TAILS ON THE, UM, AT THE BOTTOMS OF THE TABLE. SO LET ASK YOU THAT, SO IF WE WENT WITH TWO PART AND WE DON'T HAVE BRICK ANYWHERE ON THIS PROJECT, WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND AS FAR AS MATERIALITY OF THAT SECOND BUSH ? THEY COULD STILL BE BRICK. I MEAN, YOU'LL FIND EXAMPLES OF THOSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOO, WHERE THERE'S NO BRICK ON THE REST OF THE HOME. UH, BUT THERE WOULD, WOULD BE OUT ON, OR AGAIN, THE, THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO THE, UH, A BOX. SO THE LINES, I KNOW AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO BE APPROPRIATE. SO , SO THE TWO OPTIONS IS, UH, NOW ARE YOU SAYING THAT THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT HISTORICALLY THIS STYLE COLUMN IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD SEE HISTORICALLY WITHIN QUEEN CITY? THAT'S OKAY. [02:20:01] NOW IF I FIND EXAMPLES OF IT, CAN I KEEP IT? IF YOU FIND EXAMPLES OF IT? SURE. ALL RIGHT, COOL. THERE ARE NO PROMISES. YOU MIGHT FIND EXAMPLES THAT WE KNOW WERE BUILT LAST YEAR OR SOMETHING AND THEY DON'T HAVE. I WOULD LOOK AT IT AGAIN, BUT NOT, UH, NECESSARILY. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. DON'T PROMISE ANYTHING. COMMISSIONER . ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE? ALRIGHTY, SIR. THEN I GUESS YOU CAN ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR SATURDAY ELSEWHERE INSTEAD. ALL Y'ALL BE BLESSED. TAKE CARE. AND NOW WE MOVE ON TO COURTESY REVIEW TWO FOR WHICH WE HAVE A SPEAKER. HI THERE. WE NEED YOU TO ALSO START WITH YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE OR AFFIRMATION THAT YOU WILL TELL THE TRUTH. YOU MAY HAVE TO SPEAK UP SO THE COMMISSIONERS AT HOME CAN HEAR AND MAKE SURE THAT'S ON. RHONDA, IS IT ON? OH, THERE WE GO. HELLO, MY NAME IS KEVIN HARA AND I PROMISE TO AN ADDRESS AND ADDRESS MY PERSONAL OR . YEAH, SORRY. IT'S AT 42 21 PARKDALE FOR DALLAS, TEXAS. 7 5 2 1. THANK YOU. WE WILL NOT DROP IN ON YOU. OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR PROPOSED PROJECT? UH, SO WE'RE PROPOSING A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AT THIS ADDRESS. AND WE'RE GOING WITH THE FOUR SQUARE STYLE DESIGN. AND THE TOTAL LIVING AREA FOR THIS HOUSE IS 1810 SQUARE FEET. IT'S ON A PRETTY RESTRICTIVE LOT OF THE LOT IS 2,125 SQUARE FEET. WE'RE PROPOSING A FOUR BEDROOM AND THREE BATHROOM. AND WE WENT WITH THIS DESIGN BECAUSE WE, WE WANTED MORE SPACE. SO WE LOOKED, FOR EXAMPLE THAT WERE TWO STORIES AND WE FOUND A COUPLE THAT MATCHED THE FORKLIFT STYLE. FOR EXAMPLE, 2323 21 METROPOLITAN AVENUE. IT LIVED PRETTY SIMILAR THAT BELOW 1930 ALSO 2245 JORDAN STREET ALSO BUILT 1930. AND THE TWO OTHER EXAMPLES OF HUNDRED JORDAN STREET AND 39. WHAT'S THAT? TWO, 300 JORDAN STREET AND 39 34 WILDER STREET? YES. OKAY. AND 39 34 WILDER STREET AS WELL. ALSO TO SLOWLY, UH, FOUR SQUARE STYLE AND 2300 JORDAN STREET BUILT IN 1939. AND ALSO THE MATERIAL SHEETS FOR THE MATERIALS WE'RE GONNA GO WITH SHINGLE WEATHER, WOOD BROWN, AND THE S SAGGING IS GONNA BE THE 1 0 7 WOOD SIDING. WE'RE GONNA GO WITH, UH, WOOD DOOR, HOT WOOD WINDOWS. AND FOR THE COLUMNS ON THE FRONT PORCH, WE'RE GONNA DO WOOD TAPPER COLUMN WITH BRICK PLACES, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A TOP ON THE FRONT ELEVATION. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONERS, UM, I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF ISSUE MOSTLY WITH THE, THE PORCH, THE WAY THAT IT'S, UH, PARTIALLY PROJECTING AND THEN PARTIALLY, UM, INSET. AND ONE OF MY SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE, WOULD BE, UM, TOOK THAT END, UH, ROOM AND FLIPPED IT WITH THE LIVING. THEN YOU, 'CAUSE THE, UH, THE PLOT, THE LOT GETS A LITTLE BIT WIDER AS YOU'RE MOVING TOWARD THE LEFT. UM, THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY ALLOW YOU TO DO AN ATTACHED PORCH THAT'S FULLY, UH, YOU WOULDN'T NEED ANY INSET IN AMASSING. UM, AND I THINK IT WOULD RESOLVE ITSELF, UH, A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN HAVING A PORCH BUILT INSIDE AND OUT. THE OTHER, UH, ELEMENT THAT I THINK IS ISN'T, UH, SORT OF IN FITTING WITH THE ARCHITECTURE IS THE, THE DORMER ON THE TOP. UM, AND ITS PROPORTION IN THE GABLE ROOF ON THE END OF IT. UM, THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF OF OTHER HIP GABLES, I [02:25:01] MEAN HIP DORMERS THAT YOU COULD, UM, THAT WOULD FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE APPROPRIATE AND THEN YOU COULD, UM, ADD A VENT IN THAT. UH, AND THEN I, I THINK IT, IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE AMONG THINGS. OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING TO SHIFT THE FRONT PORCH MORE TO THE LEFT SIDE SO WE CAN HAVE A, A PORCH DOESN'T END IT KIND OF WHERE THE DINING AREA TURNED? YEAH. CORRECT. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER RIDDELL? NO. MR. OSI, I NOTICED THAT YOU, UM, THE, THE HOUSE IS PRETTY MUCH SETBACK LINE. THE SETBACK LINE. UM, I THINK YOU NEED TO VERIFY YOUR LOT COVERAGE ON THERE TO MAKE SURE YOU MEET THE CITY STANDARDS FOR THAT. AND IF YOU DON'T, THEN YOU NEED TO THE LOT. COVERAGE IS ON THE ON SHEET A 1.0? IT'S CURRENTLY AT 46%. 46%. OKAY. WHAT IS IT? 40, 45? I DON'T KNOW. , WHATEVER IT IS FOR PD 5 95. YEAH, I I I GUESS THIS JUST, JUST TO CHECK IT, VERIFY AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA UP THIS YEAH. THAT SAY MORE THAN 26. HE SAID, SO HE SAID 46. HE SAID 46 40. YEAH. DOUBLE CHECK THAT. PUT, PUT OUT AND JUST, JUST KNOW THAT EVEN IF WE APPROVE THE DESIGN, IF IT TURNED OUT TO NOT MEET OTHER ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS, LIKE HOW MUCH LOT COVERAGE, THEN THEY, THEY DON'T TAKE OUR WORD FOR IT AND CHANGE THEIR MIND. , OF COURSE, MR. ANDERSON IS NOT. SO THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE OF 50%, SIR, 50% IS THE ALLOWED LOT COVERAGE. WELL THEN HOPEFULLY YOU'RE IN RANGE. IS THERE ROOM ON THE SIDE FOR A DRIVEWAY? WHAT IS THE SETBACK ON EACH SIDE? THE FINAL SIDE ON THE SIDE, WE HAVE FIVE FOOT SETBACK. SO THERE'S NO ROOM FOR A DRIVEWAY ON THE SIDE, BUT TYPICALLY THERE SHOULD BE A DRIVEWAY. DO YOU CONSIDER MAKING IT A 10 FOOT ON ONE SIDE SO THE DRIVEWAY CAN BE INSTALLED IF NEEDED? 'CAUSE I THINK THE BUILDING IS TOO WIDE FOR THE LOT, SIR. UH, I WOULD'VE TO DISCUSS THAT WITH THE, THE OWNER BUILDING, BUT I DON'T, I REALLY DON'T THINK THEY CAN CONSIDER THIS WORK. WE CAN ADD A DRIVEWAY IN FRONT OF THE DINING AREA, BUT IF WE MOVE THE FRONT PORCH TO SO COMMISSIONER PER ALSO, AND I JUST SAID ONE MORE. I I THINK ALSO INCREASING THE SIZE OF THE EASE WOULD HELP, UH, AS WELL. INCREASING THE SIZE OF THE EAVES MEANS EVES. YEAH, THE ROOF. THE OVERHEAD. YEAH. YEAH. ALSO, THEY'RE NOT ADEQUATE WINDOWS ON THE SIDES, UH, TOWARD THE FRONT. THERE'S A LOT OF BLANK SPACES. YEAH, WE CAN HAVE WINDOWS. YEAH. YEAH. I LIKE, NOT , HE'S LISTENING. HE'S JUST SAYING HE WOULD HAVE TO ASK. HE COMING. IT'S JUST THE MICROPHONE OPENING UP. WELL, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER CONCERNS? UM, THIS ONE AND, UH, YOU WOULD WANT TO, UM, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE, WE SAID A LOT. YOU MIGHT WANNA FURTHER DISCUSS WITH STAFF WHAT WHAT WE MAY HAVE MEANT. AND IF ANY OF IT'S UNCLEAR OR WHY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THEY MAY HAVE FURTHER INFORMATION ON WHAT FITS BEST IN QUEEN CITY. 'CAUSE YOU HAVE A CHALLENGE SAYING NOT SO YOU'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH YOUR LOT AND IT'S MADE THINGS HARDER. YES, EXACTLY. ALL RIGHTY. NEXT UP IS C FOUR. AND THIS IS THE ONE IN STATE. THOMAS, YOU HAVE TO INTRODUCE IT. UM, COURTESY REVIEW FOUR IS LOCATED AT 26 26 THOMAS AVENUE IN THE STATE THOMAS HISTORIC DISTRICT. I'M MARCUS WATSON PRESENTING, AND THIS CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH TWO FIVE DASH 2 45. THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW. ALRIGHT, SIR. AND WOULD YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH? I, UH, BEN RIVAS, I BELIEVE IT'S 73 50 [02:30:01] BLAIR VIEW. UM, THAT'S DALLAS 7 5 2 3 0. YES. UH, PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. THANK YOU, . WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE THE TRUTH. OKAY. WHAT DO WOULD YOU LIKE US TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? I DON'T, I THINK YOU HEARD WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IN OUR BRIEFING. WERE YOU HERE EARLIER? NO. OH, YOU WEREN'T? OKAY. WELL, WE TALKED ABOUT STUFF. WOULD YOU WANT, WHAT DO YOU WANNA TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? OKAY, UH, THANKS. THE, THE SITE. AND I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE SITE. UM, A LOT ITSELF TO START WITH HERE. UH, IT'S, IT'S A VACANT LOT THAT'S BEEN VACANT FOR AT LEAST TWO OR THREE DECADES, UH, NEAR THE CORNER OF BOWL STREET ON THOMAS, UH, AT THE OFFSET INTERSECTION. SO ONE PORTION OF THE STREET, ACTUALLY, BI SECTOR, YOU KNOW, THAT ENDS INTO OUR LOT. AND THEN THE STREET SHIPS OVER. IT'S NOT A CORNER LOT, IT'S AN INTERIOR LOT. UM, WE ARE SURROUNDED ON ALL SIDES BY NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES. UH, THE SITE TOPOGRAPHY, UH, IS, IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU UNIQUE, BUT IN THIS IT IS A LITTLE DALLAS. SO WE HAVE A DECENT AMOUNT OF FALL, WHICH IS FIVE FOOT DROP FROM THE FRONT SIDEWALK TO THE BACK. UM, AND THE BACK THIRD OF OUR LOT IS ENCUMBERED BY. YOU CAN SEE THERE THE CURVING STORM SEWER UNIT, WHICH PREVENTS END DEVELOPMENT ON OR ABOVE THAT, BEYOND THE SURFACE. SO, UM, THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE IS A MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURE WITH FOUR UNITS AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL, UH, COMMERCIAL UNIT FACING, UH, FACING ON SO FIVE UNITS ESSENTIALLY. UM, WE'RE HANDLING PARKING BOTH WITH A SUBRATE GARAGE UNDER THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT. SO IT WAS PARKING IN THE BACK. BOTH WERE SERVED BY THE DRIVEWAY ON THE, THE LEFT THERE OF THE FRONT ELEVATION ON THE SIDE OF THE, THE LAWN. UH, SO WE HAVE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE DESIGN. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY REALLY REFLECTED IN THE COMMENTS HERE FROM THE PASSPORTS, BUT, UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, YOU'RE PROPOSING A SIMPLE FORM CONSISTENT WITH THE, WITH BUILDINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, WE HAVE TAKEN THE APPROACH THAT THE BUILDING SHOULD BE DISTINCT FROM THE HISTORIC BUILDING. WE'RE USING THE PROPOSED OR THE RECOMMENDED OR REQUIRED MATERIALS, WHICH IN THIS CASE ARE, IS WOOD SIDING OR WOOD-LIKE SIDING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IT, UM, TO BE VERTICAL AT TWO DIFFERENT SCALE TO BREAK UP THE MASS IN SOME. UM, BUT UH, AGAIN, IT'S, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITHIN THE, THE LANGUAGE OF THE PD AND THEN THE STANDARD WE ALSO GIVE FROM THE, THE, THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR, WHICH IS THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION AND HISTORIC AREA DISTRICTS BE DISTINCT, UH, FROM THE EXISTING PARTICULAR HISTORIC STRUCTURES THAT ARE ARE . UM, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE SPECIFIC COMMENTS, BUT, UM, I'D LIKE TO LEAVE TIME FOR YOUR QUESTIONS AND FEEDBACK. UM, YOU MAY HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS WITH THE TASK FORCE. UH, WE CERTAINLY MIGHT. UM, MR. CUMMINGS? HMM. WELL I WAS JUST GONNA JUST START OFF ON, SINCE THIS IS A CURSORY REVIEW, CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. UM, I HAVE CONCERNS ON THE MASS OF IT SEEMS TO BE VERY TOP HEAVY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, THE, UH, THE PORCH IS A CONCERN, HOW IT'S DESIGNED. I BELIEVE THE, UH, AND THE BUMP OUT ON THE LEFT, THAT'S CANTILEVER AND IT'S JUST, UH, WAY OVERSCALED, UH, IN MY OPINION. I THINK THERE'S CONCERNS, UH, WITH THE, AS I'M SAYING, BASICALLY THE TOP PART OF THIS STRUCTURE SEEMS TO BE TOP OVERSCALED TO, TO A DEGREE TO ITSELF. UH, THE WINDOW, UH, THE WINDOWS DESIGN, UH, IS NOT, UH, IN NATURE OF THE AREA. IT'S TOO MODERN. UH, AND SOME OF THE TRELLIS TRIM SEEMS TO BE A CONCERN AS WELL. I JUST WANT TO POP OUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS. WE CAN TALK ABOUT ANY OF THE SPECIFICS. , I'M, I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT ANY OF THOSE THINGS, BUT ARE WE WAITING FOR OTHER PEOPLE? ? WELL, I WAS GONNA SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT MIGHT JUMP ON ANY SPECIFIC DETAILS. I'M JUST GIVING YOU A LAUNDRY LIST OF CONCERNS. I, I SEE THAT I WOULD BE NOT IN FAVOR OF IF THIS CAME AS THIS WAY. UM, AND WE CAN KIND OF GET INTO, I THINK, I THINK A, A PRIMARY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT THE PORCH IS POSSESSED. CAN THE PORCH BE ATTACHED TO THE FRONT INSTEAD? I MEAN, IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT. I MEAN, I, UH, WHAT IS, CAN YOU GIVE SOME WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT ACCOMPLISH DIGITALLY OR MASSING? IT IS PERSPECTIVE. PERSPECTIVE. IT'S IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC CONTEXT AND [02:35:01] THE TRADITIONAL PORCH ARRANGEMENT. OKAY. BUT ARE WE, I, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. SO ARE WE, ARE WE BUILDING HISTORIC BUILDINGS OR ARE WE NOT? NO, WE ARE WALKING A FINE LINE BETWEEN, UM, LOOKING SIMILAR TO THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC BUILDINGS WITHOUT TRYING TO POSE AS A HISTORIC BUILDING. WE ALWAYS USE THE TERM COMPATIBLE. AND IF YOU GET TOO FAR AWAY FROM WHAT THE OTHER BUILDINGS AROUND IT LOOK LIKE, THEN THAT IS NOT THE GOAL OF THE ORDINANCE THAT GOVERNS THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH SAYS NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE. AND WE ALWAYS SOMETIMES SAY IT SHOULD BE SORT OF QUIET AND RESERVED COMPARED TO THE ACTUAL HISTORIC ONES, SO THAT IT, IT NEVER GIVES A FALSE VIEW OF WHAT KIND OF BUILDINGS WERE THERE. OKAY. SO IN THE DETAILS OF THIS ONE THAT WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT, THE CANTILEVER, THE, UM, VERTICAL SIDING, THE NON-SYMMETRICAL WINDOWS, THE PORCH THAT IS PULLED BACK IN INSTEAD OF STICKING OUT FRONT. THOSE ARE SO DIFFERENT FROM WHAT'S AROUND IT AS TO BE SOMEWHAT STARTLING COMPARED TO THEM WHEN YOU GO DOWN THE STREET. SO A RECESS PORCH IS STARTLING IS THAT IT'S SO DIFFERENT. I MEAN, YOU PEOPLE ARRIVE, WHY THAT'S DIFFERENT. WE WOULD PREFER TO SEE SOMETHING MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE . I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT THE REAL ON THE PORCH THING, LITERALLY THE TWO NEIGHBORS ON EITHER SIDE OF US HAVE RECESS PORCH. SO, UH, THE ONE STORY NEIGHBOR ON THE LEFT AND THEN THE TWO STORY NEIGHBOR ON THE RIGHT, THEY HAVE A TWO STORY RECESS PORCH WITH THE GABLE HANGING OUT OVER THERE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN YOURS. REMEMBER, WE'RE JUST GIVING YOU TIPS TODAY, EXPRESSING OUR CONCERNS FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY WHEN YOU COME BACK FOR YOUR ACTUAL CA MR. ANDERSON. YES. THE PORCH NEEDS TO BE PROJECTING FROM THE STRUCTURE, NOT WITH MASSING ABOVE. THERE ARE NO OTHER PORCHES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS A, A LIVING SPACE OVER THE PORCH. OUR RIGHT. A NEIGHBOR ON THE RIGHT SIDE. I DON'T BELIEVE SO ON THE LEFT, THOSE, THOSE PORCHES, DID YOU GO TO THE ELEVATION? . BUT THOSE PORCHES ARE NOT INSET. YOU SEE YOUR, THE, THE MASSING OF YOUR BUILDING IS OVER THE PORCH, RIGHT? THAT THE BUILDING ON THE RIGHT HAS A LITTLE, THAT'S A TWO STORY PORCH. OKAY? BUT IT'S NOT MASSING. IT'S A TWO STORY PORCH. THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO BEDROOMS ABOVE THE PORCH. WHAT'S THE WINDOW? THAT'S WHAT THE, THE TASK FORCE WAS ALSO SAYING THAT A TWO STORY PORCH CAN BE TREATED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. YOU DON'T SEE ANY ONE STORY PORCHES WITH, WITH LIVING SPACE ABOVE. UM, TWO, THE TWO STORY PORCH WITH A HALF STORY ABOVE IS A DIFFERENT THING. WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE YOU SOME CONSTRUCTIVE COMMENTS SO WE CAN APPROVE IT NEXT TIME. IF IT COMES BACK LOOKING LIKE THIS, IT'S GONNA BE DENIED. OKAY. ALSO, THE EAVES ARE NOT, UH, UH, UH, WIDE ENOUGH. UM, THEY'RE, I MEAN, IT SAYS 12 INCH. THEY'RE LITTLE SKIM ARE 18. LOOK AT THE EAVES OF THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR AND LOOK AT YOURS. YOU, THEY'RE A LITTLE SKIMPY. UH, BUT CANTILEVER IS NOT GONNA BE ALLOWED. THERE'S NO, NO NO BUILDING IN THIS HISTORIC BUILDING IN DALLAS HAS THAT KIND OF CANTILEVER. WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE YOU CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE NOT REALLY WANTING TO LISTEN TO US, BUT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND, ANDERSON, WE, WE OBVIOUSLY CANNOT INTERPRET THE MAN'S MOTIVES. I'M LISTENING. I'M, BUT I'M TRYING TO GET AT THE ROOT OF LIKE WHAT THE COMMENTS ARE REALLY SAYING. I MEAN, WE, WE COULD PICK APART LIKE EVERY DETAIL OF ANY BUILDING, BUT WHAT WE, YOU ARE YOU ASKING US TO COME BACK WITH LIKE A CRAFTSMAN BUILDING? WE'RE ASKING YOU TO COME BACK. IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING WITH MORE FEATURES LIKE THE STYLES SEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY, BUT THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE SECRETARY STANDARDS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE KIND OF CONFUSING. IT SHOULD BE DIFFERENTIATED FROM THE PAST. BUT IN OUR LOCAL STANDARDS IT MUST BE COMPATIBLE. I KNOW, BUT THEY DEFINE COMPATIBLE AS NOT BEING ANYONE'S STYLE. IT CAN BE CONTEMPORARY OR NOT. WELL, WE, WE, WE RESPECT THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, BUT OUR ORDINANCES AND OUR TRADITIONS FOR INTERPRETING THEM HERE, OR WE REALLY WANNA SEE MORE COMPATIBILITY. CRAFTSMAN IS AWFULLY POPULAR FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION HERE BECAUSE EVERYBODY LOVES IT. BUT WE WANT TO SEE MORE OF AN EXPRESSION OF TRADITIONAL STYLES. USUALLY A QUIET AND RESTRAINED EXPRESSION OF THEM, BUT AN EXPRESSION OF TRADITIONAL STYLES. AND SOME THINGS ARE JUST SO FAR AWAY FROM THE STYLES, LIKE THE CANTILEVER PART THAT'S REALLY MODERN. YOU, YOU DON'T SEE THAT IN THAT TIME PERIOD AT ALL. AND, AND THE PORCH ISSUE IS JUST NOT A FORM THAT YOU NORMALLY SEE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO COME IN ON BECAUSE OUR STANDARDS FOR DECISIONS OF NEW CONSTRUCTION ARE WE, WE PUT FIRST FORTH COMPATIBILITY AND TOO MUCH DIVERGENCE FROM WHAT'S AROUND YOU IS NOT COMPATIBLE. OKAY. SO, BUT ARE, UH, ONE FINAL QUESTION ON THE COMPATIBILITY. ARE WE COMPATIBLE WITH THE, ALL OF THE BUILDINGS IN THE DISTRICT? JUST THE CONTRIBUTING WITH THE OVERALL STREET SCAPE [02:40:01] FEEL OF THE BUILDINGS IN THE DISTRICT? OF COURSE, ST. THOMAS IS ODD BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF BUILDINGS IN IT. BUT I EMPHASIZE AGAIN, IF YOU'RE GONNA ADD TO AN ESTABLISHED HISTORIC DISTRICT, YOUR BUILDING SHOULD NOT STAND OUT AS THE MOST NOTICEABLE, IT SHOULD BE THE LEAST, THE LESS NOTICEABLE BECAUSE IT QUIETLY ECHOES THE STYLING OF THE OTHERS. 'CAUSE IT'S NEW. AND WE WANT THE OTHERS TO TAKE PRECEDENCE INTO VIEWERS. SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. UH, CLEARLY A LOT OF MODERN AESTHETIC IDEAS, BUT THAT JUST DOESN'T WORK HERE. IT MIGHT WORK GREAT SOMEPLACE ELSE, BUT IT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT WE WANNA SEE IN ST. THOMAS OR ANY OTHER HISTORICAL OKAY. OKAY. WE MIND YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE TO, TO GO BACK AND DO SOME, SOME DRAWING BOARD. AND I REALIZE WHY YOU'VE GOT THE CANTILEVER, THE PRACTICAL REASONS AND ALL THAT STUFF, BUT YOU'RE MAY HAVE TO GO BACK AND FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU CAN DO DIFFERENTLY TO, TO MEET YOUR NEEDS. UH, AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT WOULD BE, BUT YEAH, YOU'LL COME UP WITH SOMETHING, I'M SURE. I MEAN, THAT'S OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE READY FOR D ONE. OKAY, SURE. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING DISCUSSION ITEM D ONE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 8 0 5 ELM STREET IN THE WEST END HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA 25 DASH 279. THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO AMEND PARTIALLY APPROVED COA DASH 25 DASH 1 54 BY REVISING THE FENESTRATION OF THE PROPOSED NEWS SOUTH SIDE AND REAR EAST HORIZONTAL ADDITIONS TO THE MAIN BUILDING. THE SECOND REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL VINYL WINDOWS IN THE PROPOSED NEW ADDITIONS AND THE REAR WALL OF THE MAIN BUILDING FACING PROPOSED COURTYARD. STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS, THAT THE REQUEST TO AMEND PARTIALLY APPROVED CO OA DASH 25 1 54 BY REVISING THE FENESTRATION OF THE PROPOSED NEW SOUTH SIDE AND REAR EAST HORIZONTAL ADDITIONS TO THE MAIN BUILDING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 7 28 20 25. THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTIONS 5.2, 5.3 AND 5.4 UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND RENOVATION CRITERIA. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION STAFF. RECOMMENDATION TWO, THAT THE REQUEST TO INSTALL VINYL WINDOWS AND THE PROPOSED NEW ADDITIONS AND THE REAR WALL OF THE MAIN BUILDING FACING PROPOSED COURTYARD BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFIC DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 7 28 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT NEW WINDOWS BE ALUMINUM, NOT VINYL WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION OF 1 0 1 WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT VINYL WINDOWS ARE NOT AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WOULD THEREFORE HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT. IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN AT ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY NON-SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS. THE ADDITION IS NOT SYMPATHETIC TO THE HISTORIC BUILDING OR DISTRICT, AND THE WINDOWS CONTRIBUTE TO THAT. THE WINDOWS NEED FURTHER REFINEMENT. THE RHYTHM, SIZE AND RATIO OF THE ADDITIONS WINDOWS DO NOT RELATE TO THE HISTORIC BUILDING. THE ADDITION WINDOWS SHOULD BE ADJUSTED TO MATCH THE MAJOR AND MINOR RHYTHM OF THE HISTORIC WINDOWS. MAJOR RHYTHM BEING MASONRY, SPACING BETWEEN PAIRS OF WINDOWS, MINOR RHYTHM BEING SPACING BETWEEN WINDOW UNITS OF A MAJOR OF, OF A WINDOW PAIR. THE MASONRY FRAME OF WINDOWS ALSO CONTRIBUTES TO A DISJOINTED RHYTHM, ADJUST TO ENHANCE RHYTHM. [02:45:01] ADDITIONALLY, STACKED BOND MASONRY IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE DISTRICT. THE BRICK SHOULD BE STANDARD SIZE AND RUNNING BOND, INCLUDING THE SPAN PANELS. NUMBER TWO, NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY NON-SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS IS DOUBTFUL THAT THC OR NPS WOULD APPROVE ON THE WINDOWS. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED REVISED PLANS IN RESPONSE TO THESE TASK FORCE COMMENTS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. WELCOME, GENTLEMEN. UM, BEFORE WE BEGIN THIS, I HAVE BEEN ADVISED BY OUR CITY ATTORNEY THAT I MUST PUT IT ON THE RECORD THAT I WAS CONTACTED BY A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE, UM, P UH, PLAINTIFF'S APPLICANT'S ON THIS. BUT WE DID NOT SPEAK OF ANY SUBSTANTIAL TOPIC RELATED TO THE DECISIONS ON THIS. AND COMMISSIONER HARPER RECEIVED AN EMAIL TO WHICH HE DID NOT RESPOND. SO THAT, THAT'S HOW MUCH EX PARTE WE'VE BEEN DOING. OKAY. AND NOTHING CAME OF IT. IT ALL RIGHT. WHO, WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST? THAT'LL BE ME. OKAY. STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND PROMISE YOU'LL TELL ME THE TRUTH. YEP. MATTHEW FINN SYCAMORE DEVELOPMENT, UH, 16 7 0 5 RUSTIC MEADOWS DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS, AND YES, I PROMISE. OKAY, SIR, TELL US WHAT YOU WANNA TELL US. PROBABLY IN RESPONSE TO OUR CONCERNS THIS. OKAY. UM, SO WE, WE DID OUR BIT OF AN INTRO BEFORE, BUT WE SPECIALIZE IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH A LOT OF ADAPTIVE REUSE PROJECTS AND SPECIFICALLY HISTORIC TAX CREDIT PROJECTS. UH, THIS BLOCK AND A HALF REVITALIZATION AT JUST SOUTH OF THE DART ROUND, HISTORIC WEST END REHABILITATES TWO HISTORIC STRUCTURES ADDS MORE THAN 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF GROUND GROUND FLOOR RETAIL CONVERTS MORE THAN 26,000 SQUARE FEET OF AUSTIN STREET AND PARKING LOTS TO A PUBLIC ACCESSIBLE PEDESTRIAN PARK SPACE. WE'RE ADDING 154 APARTMENTS. A LOT OF THOSE HAVE VERY DEEP AFFORDABILITY WITH THEM. UM, AND SO THE TWO ITEMS THAT WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS, I WANNA TACKLE THE WINDOW FRAME ONE FIRST. UM, WHILE I THINK WE WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL UNDERSTANDING OUR FINANCIAL CHALLENGES WITH THIS PROJECT, I THINK DR. DUNN PROPOSED THIS AT THE BRIEFING THIS MORNING. WE ARE WILLING TO TAKE ON THE ALUMINUM FRAME WINDOWS, ALTHOUGH WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THE VINYL, JUST GIVEN THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS OF THAT. UM, I WOULD WANNA SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME ON THE SECOND ONE, WHICH IS THE FENESTRATION. UH, OUR DESIGN TEAM HAS GONE TO GREAT LENGTHS IN A VERY FAST AMOUNT OF TIME TO COME BACK HERE WITH A REVISED DESIGN BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS. UM, ONE REMINDER THAT I WANT EVERYBODY TO KEEP IN MIND IS, UH, THIS IS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT. THERE ARE REGULATIONS ON WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO FROM THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING STANDPOINT. WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO BURIED BEDROOMS. AND SO THE CADENCE OF THE WINDOWS IS REALLY DRIVEN BY BEDROOM SIZES AND LIVING ROOM SIZES, WHICH ROUGHLY AMOUNTS TO 10 OR 11 FOOT MODULES. UM, I, I THINK THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HEARD RELATE TO SECTION 5.2 OF THE WEST END ORDINANCE, WHICH GOES ON TO SAY FACADE OPENINGS SHALL BE DISTRIBUTED IN SUCH A MANNER THAT THEY'RE BOTH VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL REPRESENT REPETITION OF THE FACADE OPENINGS, THE DISTRIBUTION OF FACADE OPENINGS SHALL BE REASONABLY COMPATIBLE WITH OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE DISTRICT. ADAM, OUR ARCHITECT, IS GONNA TALK ABOUT THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE BEFORE LAST TIME. AND THIS TIME, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS THE DEVELOPER WHO'S ALSO A LICENSED ARCHITECT WHO'S TAUGHT ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT UNIVERSITIES, WE WANNA DO THIS IN GREAT FAITH AND REVITALIZE THE WEST END. AND WE THINK WHAT WE'VE COME TO THE TABLE WITH TODAY SUPPORTS THAT. UM, I THINK THE ONLY LAST THING I WANNA SAY IS, YOU KNOW, TIME IS IMPORTANT TO US AND US GETTING TO SUBMIT OUR PART TWO TO THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DELAYING SO THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS FIRST, AND THEN THERE'S OBVIOUSLY THE PERMITTING THAT WE NEED TO GET THROUGH IN ADDITION TO THAT. SO TIME, TIME IS CRITICAL FOR US. OH, YOU, OH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, SIR. HAS THE PARK SERVICE HEARD ABOUT YOUR DESIRE FOR VINYL WINDOWS HAS THE PARK. SAY IT AGAIN. HAS THE PARK SERVICE HEARD YOU WANT TO USE VINYL WINDOWS? AND DID THEY HAVE A RESPONSE? WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT WITH THEM AND THEY SAID SURE. THEY, THEY DID NOT SAY WHETHER THEY HAVE OR NOT. OKAY. BASED ON OUR, ARE WE DOING Q AND A RIGHT NOW? OR? WELL, NO, I JUST HAD TO KNOW SINCE YOU MENTIONED IT. SO, SO OUR HISTORIC CONSULTANTS, UH, WHICH IS HERITAGE, HAS HUNDREDS UP TO THOUSANDS OF APPROVED HISTORIC ADAPTIVE REUSE PROJECTS IN THEIR EXPERIENCE. AND THEY PULLED A BUNCH OF EXAMPLES FOR US. UH, NPS HAS APPROVED VINYL WINDOWS FOR AN ADDITION TO A HISTORIC STRUCTURE, ALL OR MULTIFAMILY USE. ALL RIGHT, NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM YOUR ARCHITECT. SO I'LL NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. SURE. GOOD AFTERNOON. ADAM JONES. 4 3 2 8 NORTH HALL. ALRIGHT, PROMISE THE TRUTH. GO AHEAD [02:50:01] SIR. SO THE TEAM HAS WORKED WITH DR. DON TO ADDRESS ITEM EIGHT OF THE PREVIOUSLY MARKED AGENDA REGARDING THE MATERIALITY AND THE DETAILING OF THE WINDOWS FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION BUILDING. UH, IN THAT WE RESEARCHED MULTI-FAMILY CONSTRUCTION IN THE WEST END FOR PRECEDENT AND FOUND ONLY TWO BUILDINGS. THAT'S 5 5 5 ROSS AND 800 ROSS. WE UNDERSTAND, AS MATTHEW MENTIONED, WE MULTI-FAMILY CONSTRUCTION WITH LIVING ROOMS AND BEDROOMS ON THE EXTERIOR WALLS TRANSLATE A BIT DIFFERENTLY TO THE EXTERIOR THAN A HISTORIC OPEN WAREHOUSE BUILDING. UH, IN EXAMINING THESE BUILDINGS, WE FOUND THE FOLLOWING, UH, BOTH FEATURE VINYL WINDOWS OF PROFILES VARYING WITHIN THE SAME BUILDING. 5 5, 5 ROSS FEATURES ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS NEXT TO FULL LIGHT WINDOWS IN THE SAME GROUPING. 800 ROSS FEATURES SIX PHOTO DIVIDED BITES OVER ONE FULL LIGHT, AND THAT'S OVER A DIFFERENT SET OF WINDOWS, WHICH IS ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS. UH, THE OVERALL MASSING PROPORTIONS OF MATERIALITY ARE QUITE VARIED BY, BY BY ROSS APPEARS MODERN WITH STUFF WITH FACADE PUNCHED OPENING ANODIZED ALUMINUM METAL PANEL. HIS FOOTPRINTS IN A MIX OF BRICK AND CU 800 ROSS IS A BIT MORE TRADITIONAL ALSO WITH PUNCH OPENING WITHIN RED, BROWN AND YELLOW BRICK FACADES. MOST OF THIS PRECEDENT DID NOT APPEAR TO RELATE TO THE PREVIOUS WINDOW IN DETAILING LANDMARK COMMENTS FROM LAST MEETING WHERE THE 8 0 5 ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO WE WENT TO THE HISTORICAL BUILDING PRECEDENT WITHIN THE DISTRICT. THE BUILDING STUDY INCLUDE 2 0 8 AND 3 0 2 NORTH MARKET, THREE 11 NORTH RUCKER, 300 NORTH HOUSTON 8 0 1 NORTH LAMAR FIVE HUNDRED AND SIX OH ONE ELM, AND OF COURSE 8 0 5 AND SEVEN 11 ELM. UH, THE REPEATING ELEMENTS INCLUDE, AND THIS IS ALL IN THE PACKET THAT, THAT WE PROVIDED. UH, THE REPEATING ELEMENTS INCLUDE TRIPARTITE, DIVISION OF THE FACADE INCLUDE DEFINED BASE SHAFT AND CAPITAL INSET OR FRAMED WINDOWS SURROUND BETWEEN THE BASE AND CAPITAL 1 0 1 WINDOWS WAS SIDE BY SIDE GROUPINGS. HORIZONTAL BANDS BETWEEN WINDOW GROUPINGS AND VARYING WIDE NARROW BRICK VERTICALS WITH THE WIDE VERTICAL EXTENDED VISUALLY FULL HEIGHT. UH, THE HISTORIC 8 0 5 ELM BUILDING INCLUDES ALL THESE ELEMENTS. SEVEN 11 INCLUDES THE MAJORITY. WE WORK TO REFINE THE WINDOW GROUPINGS AND DETAILING TO INCORPORATE ALL THESE ELEMENTS TO PAY HOMAGE 8 0 5 L. IT IS THE GOAL OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION TO COMPLIMENT, NOT MATCH THE STORE ADJACENT BUILDINGS. TO ACHIEVE THIS, WE HAVE DONE THE FOLLOWING, WE'VE INCREASED THE OVERALL WINDOW HEIGHT BY SIX INCHES ON LEVELS TWO THROUGH FIVE TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT OF THE INFILL BETWEEN THE WINDOW GROUPINGS BY ONE FOOT. WE REPLACED THE METAL PANEL BETWEEN THE WINDOWS WITH BRICK, THE RED BRICK TO MATCH THAT, THOSE ELEVATION. UH, WE'VE ADJUSTED THE WINDOW SPACING TO ALIGN FOR THE WIDE NARROW BRICK VERTICALS AND WE'VE ADJUSTED THE GROUND FLOOR FOR FRONT AND TOP LITTLE WINDOW TO ALLOW VISUAL CONTINUITY OF THE WIDE VERTICAL ELEMENTS. ALSO, WHILE WE PREFERRED THE STACK BOND TO DIFFERENTIATE THE BUILDING FROM THE HISTORIC, WE HAVE SHOWN RUNNING BOND BASED ON SNAP DIRECTION AND WILLING TO DO THAT FOR APPROVAL. THESE ADJUSTMENTS APPEAR TO COMPLY WITH ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS REGARDING SAW PERCENTAGE OPENINGS, THE DISTRIBUTION OF POSADE OPENINGS AND THE WINDOW SETBACK. WE HOPE THESE REFINEMENTS RELATED TO THIS WINDOW AGENDA ITEM MEET YOUR GROUP. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. AND WE APPRECIATE THE RESEARCH YOU'VE BEEN DOING. WE, I WILL POINT OUT THAT WE HAVE A LONG ESTABLISHED FACT HERE SUPPORTED BY OUR CITY ATTORNEY THAT, UM, PREVIOUS, UM, THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO BE BUILT UNDER THE ORDINANCE DO NOT NECESSARILY SET A PRECEDENT FOR THEIR DETAILS OR THE WAY THEY WERE DONE THAT WE MUST FOLLOW IN, IN SUING ONES. IT'S ALWAYS DIFFERENT IN THE WEST END. IT'S SO TRICKY 'CAUSE THERE'S ALL THOSE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS AND SO DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN THE ATMOSPHERE THERE. COMMISSIONERS, WHO HAS ANY QUESTIONS? UH, A COUPLE. UM, ONE ON THE, THE ONE, YES. OH, YOU DID. SORRY. SORRY, . SURE. COME ON. FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER PHILLIP KINGSTON. UH, THANK YOU PRINCE. THE, UM, YOU STILL HAVE TO TELL US YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. BILL KINGSTON 5 9 0 1 PALO PINTO. AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH EVEN THOUGH I'VE SWORN THAT 15 TIMES TO A THOUSAND DIFFERENT BODIES. . UM, THE, UH, WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE LANDMARK COMMISSION, WHICH WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IS THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'LL BRING TO THE WEST END THAT IT DOES NOT HAVE. AND THEN FRANKLY, DOWNTOWN IN GENERAL, IT HAS BARELY, WHICH IS DEEPLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND WE, UM, WE THINK THAT'S EXTREMELY VALUABLE. THE, YOU ALL HAVE CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE CHAIR OF THE TIF BOARD, WHICH MADE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN THIS PROPERTY. THERE IS APPROXIMATELY $49 MILLION UP TO $49 MILLION IN CITY INVESTMENT IN THIS PROPERTY, ALONG WITH THE INVESTMENT THAT THE STATE HAS MADE THROUGH THE T-D-H-C-A, UM, AS WELL AS STATE AND UH, FEDERAL HISTORIC TAX CREDITS. UM, ALL THAT IS NOT TO SAY THIS BODY'S DECISION IS ANY LESS IMPORTANT. IN FACT, IT'S, IT'S THE LAST DECISION WE NEED. SO WE'RE EXTREMELY FOCUSED ON IT. IT DOES SPEAK TO HOW MANY PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT THE WEST END HAVE ALREADY [02:55:01] WEIGHED IN, IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT. UM, AND I DON'T THINK THIS BODY HAS ANY DESIRE TO STOP THE PROJECT. THE ISSUE IS YOU BROUGHT UP TWO VERY IMPORTANT THINGS WHICH ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT IN EVERY HISTORIC DISTRICT. NO LESS IN, IN IN HISTORIC DISTRICT TWO. ONE IS THE FENESTRATION LOOK. UM, WE VERY MUCH HEARD YOUR LOOK AND I AGREE THERE IS A BALANCE HERE. UM, THE A I A AND THE SECRETARY, UM, AND BASICALLY EVERYBODY WHO WEIGHS IN ON THIS SAYS, DO NOT MAKE NEW STRUCTURES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS LOOK LIKE OLD STRUCTURES. UM, BUT WHAT ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE? THAT IS A REAL QUESTION. AND, AND THAT'S ONE THAT YOU GUYS ARE HERE FOR. AND I THINK, I HOPE WE HAVE EXPLAINED WHY WE CAN'T GO AS FAR AS SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS WE'VE HEARD ON FENESTRATION, BUT WE WENT AS, AS FAR AS WE COULD WITHIN THE, OF WHAT WE CAN DO. UM, AND I HOPE THAT IS HELPFUL. I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT SIMPLY CHANGING THE FENESTRATION IS NOT JUST LINES ON A PAGE. IT HAS INCREASED THE COST OF THE CONSTRUCTION IN THE SIX FIGURES ALREADY. UM, JUST WHINING A LITTLE BIT, NOT A BIG DEAL. UM, THE, THE MATERIALITY IS THE BIGGER ISSUE HERE. UM, VINYL HAS BEEN APPROVED TWICE BY THIS BODY IN THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT. WHETHER IT SETS A PRECEDENT OR NOT. WHAT WE HEARD LAST TIME WAS IT'S NEVER BEEN APPROVED AND NPS WILL NEVER APPROVE IT. AND THAT IS NOT TRUE. NEITHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS TRUE. AND HERE'S THE, HERE IS THE PRACTICAL EFFECT OF GOING TO ALUMINUM OVER VINYL. FOR SOMEBODY PAYING $500 A MONTH IN RENT, WHO'S AT THE 30% A MI LEVEL, MAYBE A DISABLED PERSON THAT'S A HIGHER ELECTRICITY BILL EVERY MONTH. AND THESE WINDOWS ARE NOT GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY OUT OF, UH, THEY'RE GONNA BE ON THE NEW BUILDING. SO THEY'RE SIMPLY NOT GOING TO, EXCUSE ME, SIR, THAT IS YOUR TIME. THANK YOU DR. DUNN. I MOVE TO GIVE THE APPLICANT ANOTHER THREE MINUTES. UH, COMMISSIONER SPELL SECONDED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY YES. YES, GO AHEAD. YEAH, 30 SECONDS. IT'S, IT'S SATURDAY. I MEAN, WE, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EFFORT. UM, THE BODIES I SERVED ON WOULD NOT HAVE HAD A FORUM ON A SATURDAY. SO, UM, THE, THE POINT IS THERE IS A REAL COST BEYOND JUST TO THE DEVELOPER FROM THE CHANGE OF MATERIAL FOR A BENEFIT THAT IS DIFFICULT TO DESCRIBE IN A NEW STRUCTURE. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE, ONE OF THE ONES THAT ADAM WAS POINTING OUT IS IT'S NOT QUITE OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, BUT WE CAN SEE IT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DART STATION. YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS WILL BE LOOKING AT VINYL WINDOWS A HUNDRED YARDS AWAY. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE A TON OF EXPERTISE, LIKE A, A WILD AMOUNT OF EXPERTISE. SO I'M NOT, I KNOW I'M NOT TELLING YOU THINGS YOU DON'T KNOW OR THAT YOU'RE NOT QUALIFIED TO FIGURE OUT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT FOR THIS PROJECT, THAT BALANCE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, WE HOPE AND WE THINK WE HAVE HIT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. COMMISSIONER ADE WITH YOU FIRST BEFORE DR. DUNN, I THOUGHT THERE WAS ONE MORE SUBMISSION THAT HAD BEEN MADE SINCE, NOT SUBMISSION, BUT UH, I GUESS ALTERATION TO THE SUBMISSION THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER, UH, UH, ALUMINUM PRODUCT ALUMINUM CLAD. YEAH, WELL, TWO THINGS ON THE, TO ADDRESS THE VINYL WINDOWS IN THE DISTRICT WE'RE REFERRING TO TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES. ONE BUILT IN 2007, THE OTHER ONE BUILT IN 2016. BOTH ARE NON-CONTRIBUTING. WE ARE ACTUALLY ADDING AN ADDITION TO A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING JUST FOR CLARITY, UH, REGARDING THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS. YES. THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED SOMETHING THAT IS MORE REASONABLE IN PRICE, ACTUALLY CHEAPER THAN A CUSTOM VINYL WINDOW? OR IS IT THAT THAT'S NOT NO, THAT'S NOT TRUE, BUT IT'S 1 65. SO IT'S THE THIRD, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. THAT IS, SO ARE WE ALL IN AGREEMENT NOW? OKAY, SO IT'S THE THIRD LEASE. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH. THIRD BEST PRICE WISE. RIGHT? OKAY. OKAY. SO IT IS THE ANDERSON WINDOWS E-SERIES ALUMINUM CLOUD? NO, IT'S THE CRYSTAL WINDOWS 2000 A SERIES ALUMINUM WINDOW. SEE, IT'S EVEN CHEAPER THAN ALUMINUM CLOUD. SO IT'S, IT'S FULLY ALUMINUM AND IT'S NOT CLAD. RIGHT. IT'S FULLY ALUMINUM. NOT, AND IT'S NOT THERMALLY BROKEN. THEY'RE THERMAL. THEY ARE. SO THERE IS NOT AN ISSUE OF OF, UH, ELECTRIC BILL. [03:00:01] YES, WE LY BROKE. YES. OKAY. I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION. I HAVE A BASIC QUESTION I JUST WANTED TO ANSWER. UM, THIS IS AN UNUSUAL SITUATION WE HAVEN'T DEALT WITH IN A WHILE. SO TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT, THE LANDMARK PROCEEDS TO APPROVE THE DESIGN. CORRECT. SO IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES FROM WHAT THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND TEXAS ROAD COMMISSION APPROVED, IT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO US TO CLEAN UP THE, SO THAT BUILDING PERMIT IS IN ORDER. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. IF THE, IF IF THE NEXT HISTORICAL COMMISSIONER, THE, OR THE NPS DOESN'T AGREE WITH OUR DECISION OR, OR THEY HAVE TO MAKE A REVISION BASED ON THEIR DECISION, THEN THEY WOULD'VE TO COME BACK THERE BECAUSE THE, TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT, WE HAVE TO HAVE IT RIGHT IN THE RIGHT ORDER. CORRECT. I MEAN THE RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. RIGHT ALL. ANYBODY ELSE FOR PERMISSION? RE RENNO MAKE THIS MOTION. GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER RENO. OKAY. UM, REGARDING CASE ITEM COA 2 5 2 79, UH, ALSO KNOWN AS, UM, 8 0 5 ELM STREET THAT WE APPROVE, UM, ITEM NUMBER ONE, FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION. AND, UM, WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, WITH THE CONDITION THAT, UM, THE SUBMISSION, UM, CRYSTAL WINDOWS 2008 SERIES ALUMINUM WINDOW, UH, BE, UM, UH, SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR, UM, THEIR SHOP DRAWINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SUBMISSION IS APPROPRIATE FOR SIZE AND PROPORTION, UM, BY FOLLOWING, UH, THIS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET STANDARDS IN THE CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH, UH, FOUR FIVE, UH, OH ONE G SIX C ROMAN. ONE SECOND. THE SECOND WAS FROM COMMISSIONER HARPER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER SP SO I, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. I THINK THAT THE, UM, WE, WE TALK OFTEN ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT A DISTRICT IS OR IS NOT HARMED. AND I THINK THE IDEA OF ADDING THIS MANY RESIDENTS, UM, AND STATING THAT IF YOU HAD VINYL WINDOWS WOULD SOMEHOW BE HARMFUL. UM, NOT ONLY IS IT UNTRUE IN THAT DISTRICT, I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S HARMFUL TO THE, THE, UH, PRESERVATION PROGRAM IN GENERAL. 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE. SO MY REC THE ROUTE I WOULD'VE GONE WOULD'VE BEEN TO APPROVE IT AS REQUESTED WITHOUT ANY CONDITIONS, UM, WITH THE HOPES THEN THAT YOU COULD GET A DENIAL AND APPEAL IT AND, AND BE IN FRONT OF, I THINK A MORE REASONABLE BODY AT THAT POINT. UM, BUT SO I, I THINK THAT'S MY REASON BURDEN AGAINST IT, IS NOT TO HAVE ANYTHING MORE STRINGENT. I I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE FINAL COMMISSIONER POLICY. I MEAN, COMMISSIONER PER C YOU DON'T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE HER. I'M NOT CONFUSED. YES. SO THIS IS A, A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY AND WHEN WE ARE REVIEWING AN APPLICATION AND ECONOMICS IS BEING BROUGHT UP AS A REASON FOR GOING OVER ONE ITEM OVER THE OTHER, TELL US WHAT WE ARE TO CONSIDER, UH, IN THAT DECISION MAKING PROCESS. UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. SO THE, UH, WHAT YOU GUYS REFER TO AS THE WIGGLE ROOM, CAUSE I'M GONNA REFER TO AS THE DISCRETIONARY CAUSE, BUT IT COMES TO US FROM 51 A, UH, SUBSECTION G, PARAGRAPH SIX B AND THE SUBSECTION G DEALS SPECIFICALLY WITH, UM, CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THE LANGUAGE THAT IS, UH, PERTINENT IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE. I'M GONNA READ TO YOU GUYS THAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION MAY APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WHICH FOR WORK THAT DOES NOT STRICTLY COMPLY WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA UPON A FINDING THAT THE PROPOSED WORK IS HISTORICALLY ACCURATE AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA, AND THAT THE PROPOSED WORK WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY OR THE INTEGRITY OF THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT. SO WHEN YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, UM, AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, UM, THIS CLAUSE IS REALLY, IT, IT APPLIES TO CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, IF IT'S A MATTER OF HISTORICAL PRESERVATION BUT NOT REALLY FOR COST CUTTING MEASURES. UM, IF IT, IF THEY'RE ILLUSTRATING, UH, SOMETHING ABOUT IT THAT SPECIFICALLY GOES WITH THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THEOR PRESERVATION CRITERIA AS I JUST READ, UH, THEN THAT CAN BE, UM, UTILIZED ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALRIGHT, THEN I WILL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THIS MOTION. ALL THOSE IN PAPER, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? ANYONE HOME IN OPPOSITION? DO I SEE YOUR HAND UP? COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? YES, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER PEL SAY AS WELL. OKAY. COMMISSIONER OFFIT, DID YOU VOTE YES OR NO ON THIS? [03:05:03] I VOTED YES. ALRIGHT, SO IT APPEARS THE MOTION IS CARRIED WITH TWO DISSENTING OF VOTE VOTES. UH, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS, SIR, TO HELP THE WEST END AND TO PROVIDE SOME LOWER COST HOUSING AND WE'LL WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK AND IF THC, YOU KNOW, SEND YOU BACK FOR ANYTHING, WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYBODY. HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND. BYE-BYE. SAY ON THE RECORD WHO WAS IN WHO, UH, OPPOSED. COMMISSIONER FELL AND COMMISSIONER TAYLOR WERE OPPOSED. THANK YOU. OKAY, NOW WE HAVE CR FIVE. AND LET'S SEE AGAIN, WE HAVE AN ONLINE SPEAKER FOR CR FIVE. OKAY. HOPEFULLY THEY ARE AVAILABLE. I SEE THE NAME UP. OKAY, COURTESY REVIEW ITEM CR FIVE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 3 0 4 SOUTH FLEMMING AVENUE AND THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH TWENTY FIVE TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY EIGHT. THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW. THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT PRESENTATION. NO THE RIGHT PICTURE. OKAY. I OUT THERE SPENDING A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS ON WINDOWS FOR THIS NO, NO, NO. NOT, NOT ON, NO, NOT ON. THIS IS OKAY. BRAD LONG. I, I THOUGHT I SAW, BUT YEAH. UH, SARAH, BRAD, WE NEED, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME, SO I'M NOT GOING TO OFFEND YOU BY GUESSING AT IT. WE DO NEED YOU TO TURN YOUR CAMERA. IT IS A STATE LAW THAT WE HAVE TO SEE. IT'S YOU SO THAT NO ONE COULD IMPERSONATE YOU AND PRETEND TO BE YOU. SO ARE YOU WITH US? AND, AND ON THE CAMERA, ARE WE HAVING DIFFICULTY WITH OUR SYSTEM? YEAH, I'M HERE. YOU ARE HERE, SIR. AND DO YOU HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON? YES. I, I CAN'T SEE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE SCREEN IS RIGHT NOW. IT IS ON. ALRIGHT THEN. UH, WELCOME TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION. WE WILL BEGIN BY HAVING YOU STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. UH, MY NAME'S BRAD DOS AND THE ADDRESS IS 3 0 4 SOUTH FLEMING AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS. AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. OKAY. WE ALWAYS LIKE TO HEAR THAT. ALRIGHT, SO, UM, LET IT TELL US WHAT YOU, WE NEED TO KNOW FURTHER ABOUT YOUR PROJECT THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, AND THEN WE'LL HELP YOU OUT WITH SOME OF OUR RESPONSES TO HOW WE THINK IT'S GOING. WE DON'T SEE ON CAMERA IT IS, THIS CAMERA'S NOT ON. OH, THEY SAY YOUR CAMERA IS NOT ON. YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING BIG BI DON'T KNOW HOW TO LOOK AT THE SCREEN AND HAVE THE CAMERA ON. OH, YOU'RE ON A CELL PHONE. I'M ON A CELL PHONE. I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS GONNA BE TALKING. OKAY. THE, THE WORD FROM THE STAFF IS IF WE CAN'T SEE YOU, YOU DON'T GET TO ANSWER WHAT WE SAY, BUT WE CAN TELL YOU STUFF. IS THAT OKAY? YOU CAN ANSWER THAT. OKAY. THAT'D BE GREAT. ALL RIGHT. SO COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE HOPEFULLY INFORM BRAD AS CLEARLY AS POSSIBLE OF WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE DESIGN SO THAT HE KNOWS WHAT HE NEEDS TO THINK ABOUT. AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS ON OR TO UNDERSTAND, YOU CAN ALWAYS CALL CONTACT STAFF AND THEY CAN TELL YOU WHAT WE MEANT. WE NOT YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? UH, YES, I HAVE, UM, SOME COMMENTS AND CONCERNS. IT APPEARS THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE IS WRONG. THIS IS A TWO STORY CRAFTSMAN HOUSE. IT WOULD LOOK, APPEARS TO BE AT LEAST, AND THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT IN THE DISTRICT. THE MASSING IS TOO LARGE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, IT, THERE SHOULD BE A DRIVEWAY ON THIS SIDE. IT'S GOT A FIVE FOOT AND A FIVE FOOT SETBACK. TYPICALLY, IT'S A FIVE FOOT AND A 10 FOOT TO ALLOW THE DRIVEWAY THROUGH. UM, IT JUST REALLY IS NOT THE RIGHT STYLE AT ALL. I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO SEE WHAT IS EXISTING THAT WILL WORK BETTER. UH, ALSO THERE APPEARS TO BE MAYBE SOME PROBLEMS IN YOUR, YOUR COMPUTER GRAPHICS BECAUSE THE FRONT DOORS ARE MUCH TOO SMALL AND THE COLUMNS ARE IN FRONT OF WINDOWS. SO IN THE, THE DESIGN NEEDS SOME WORK IN THAT RESPECT. BUT, BUT BASICALLY THE STYLE IS WRONG, THE SIZE IS WRONG. UH, IT NEEDS TO BE REDESIGNED AND NEED TO LOOK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO WHAT TO GET YOUR, UM, YOUR CONCEPTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. ANDERSON. ANYBODY ELSE PERMISSION? YEAH, UM, I WAS HAVING SOME ISSUES AS WELL WITH THE MASSING. UM, [03:10:03] MAYBE ONE THING YOU COULD CONSIDER WOULD BE TO DO A CROSS GABLE INSTEAD OF, UH, SEEING THE END GABLE ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO HELP REDUCE ITS SCALE. I KNOW IT IS SET BACK FROM THE, FROM THE FRONT, UH, FROM THE BACKSIDE OF THE PORCH, SO THAT ALL THOSE THINGS ARE HELPFUL. UM, BUT THE, THE SCALE IS STILL, UM, A LITTLE STRANGE FROM ON ON THE SECOND FLOOR. UM, I AGREE ALSO WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON'S, UM, CONCERNS ON THE FRONT PORCH ITSELF. UM, YOU, I WOULD, UM, I THINK YOU'VE GOT A PLATE HEIGHT ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF 10 FEET OR SO. UM, YOUR, YOUR, UM, HEAD HEIGHT ON THE WINDOWS CAN CERTAINLY BE NINE FEET. AND THEN THE, AND THEN THE, OR RATHER MAYBE EIGHT FEET. AND THEN THE, THE DOORS WOULD BE SEVEN FEET. IT'S JUST THAT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THEM RIGHT NOW IS QUITE NOTICEABLE. UM, THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF JUST A FOOT DIFFERENCE RATHER THAN, UH, RATHER THAN TWO FEET. UM, THOSE ARE MY, UH, PRIMARY CONCERNS. ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER? COMMISSIONER PER YESI? I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES WE BROUGHT UP WAS THE, UH, ROOF THIEVES, THE OVERHANG TO BE LARGER THAN WHAT IT IS, UH, RIGHT NOW. AND THEN ALSO THE USE OF THE LED UH, SOFFIT LIGHTS, UH, WHICH IS NOT, UH, APPROPRIATE FOR THIS WORK THIS WAY, BUT THEY MIGHT BE LOVELY, BUT THEY ARE NOT APPROPRIATE FOR, FOR THIS LOCATION. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT THEN, I'M SORRY ABOUT THE TECHNICAL ISSUES THAT HAVE PREVENTED YOU FROM RESPONDING TO US. YOU ARE PERHAPS SEATING AT HOME. I DON'T KNOW , BUT, UM, I HOPE THAT WE HAVE BEEN HELPFUL. I REALIZE IT SOUNDED LIKE WE SAID CHANGE EVERYTHING, BUT, UH, A LOT OF 'EM WILL BE EASILY PULLED TOGETHER. IF, IF YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK ABOUT IT AND PUT THEM TOGETHER, IT'S A LOT. SOME OF IT MAY BE THE DRAWING THAT YOU PRESENTED THAT LED US TO NOT UNDERSTAND THE WINDOW HEIGHT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, UH, CONTACT STAFF AND YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND ASK US FOR MORE REVIEW ONCE YOU PROVIDE YOUR DESIGN. AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. OKAY, THE NEXT IS D FOUR. OKAY. LET'S SEE. GOT SO MANY OPEN AT THE SAME TIME. OKAY, LET ME READ IT INTO THE RECORD ALSO. IS THE APPLICANT ONLINE? OKAY, DISCUSSION ITEM D FOUR. THIS IS RON DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 28 0 2 TANNER STREET IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 200. THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT, A CORNER LOT WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AR REAR TWO CAR GARAGE. THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT, A CORNER LOT WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A TWO, A REAR TWO CAR GARAGE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 7 28 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE, THAT ORIENTATION OF FRONT GABLE WINDOW BE ALTERED FROM PORTRAIT TO LANDSCAPE WITH A MINIMUM HEIGHT OF 24 INCHES AND A MINIMUM WIDTH OF 36 INCHES. TWO. THAT RAFTER TAILS BE EXPRESSED. IN OTHER WORDS, EXPOSED ON BOTH THE MAIN BUILDING AND THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITH EAVES EXTENDING A MINIMUM OF 18 INCHES BEYOND EXTERIOR WALLS. THREE, THAT FRONT PORCH COLUMN BOTTOMS BE A MINIMUM OF 14 INCHES WIDE, OR ACROSS FOUR, THAT FOUNDATION BE A MINIMUM OF 15 INCHES ABOVE GRAY WITH A MINIMUM OF ONE STEP LEADING TO THE REAR ENTRANCE. AND FIVE THAT PAIRED WINDOWS BE ADDED TO THE REAR RIGHT ELEVATION. IN BEDROOM THREE. IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTIONS 9.2, 9.3 9.7, AND NINE POINT 11 SUBSECTION A UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS AND SECTIONS 10.1, 10.2 AND 10.3 UNDER ACCESSORY BUILDINGS. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING [03:15:01] CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES WERE SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON VACANT CORNER LOT WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A REAR TWO CAR GARAGE BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMISSIONS. THE FRONT PORCH COLUMN BOTTOMS BE BRICK KNOT, STONE VENEER. THE WINDOW IN FRONT GABLE BE SMALLER THAN THE OTHER WINDOWS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION. THE TOPS OF PORCH COLUMNS BE AT LEAST EIGHT TO 10 INCHES ACROSS THE WINDOWS. BE LIGHT CONFIGURATION, ONE OF THE ONE ALL WOOD OR ALL ALUMINUM. THE TRIM PIECES BETWEEN PAIRED WINDOWS BE ALL WOOD THAT EXTERIOR LIGHTING FRONT DOOR AND DUAL HARDWARE BE CRAFTSMAN STYLE AND THAT THE REAR DOOR HAVE A SHED ROOF OR SOME KIND OF COVERING. ALSO PROVIDE MISSING CONTEXTUAL SITE PLAN AND MATERIALS SCHEDULE. ALRIGHT, AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER REGISTERED DIAMOND PP ARE YOU WITH US ONLINE? YES, I'M HERE. AND IS YOUR CAMERA TURNED ON SO WE CAN SEE YOU? YES, IT IS. ALL RIGHT. ALRIGHT THEN WE NEED YOU TO START BY GIVING US YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. OH, THERE YOU ARE, . UH, MY, MY NAME IS DIAMOND HICKEY. MY ADDRESS IS 2136 SIERRA JANE PARKWAY IN GRAND PERRY, TEXAS. AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. OKAY, GO AHEAD MA'AM. AND TELL US ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU THINK WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. UM, SO I HAVE MADE THE CHANGES TO MY COLUMNS. THEY ARE NOW EIGHT INCHES WIDE. MY, THE STONE IS NO LONGER, IT IS BRICK NOW, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THIS, MY UPDATED PLAN SET. I HAD UPDATED A NEW ONE WITH MY WINDOW, UM, THAT'S ON MY FRONT ELEVATION. IT IS SMALLER WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF 24 INCHES NOW. UM, I HAVE CHANGED MY GABLES ON THE GARAGE AND THE ROOF TO MATCH AND I AM DOING ALL ALUMINUM WINDOWS. UM, I HAVE BEEN COMING TO THESE MEETINGS FOR THE LAST SEVEN MONTHS, SO JUST TRYING TO GET, UM, THINGS MOVING AND GETTING EVERYTHING IN ACCORDANCE TO WHAT YOU GUYS APPROVE FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. WE'LL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU NOW, COMMISSIONERS. SHE, COMMISSIONER RENE ALWAYS, SHE ANSWERED ALL MY QUESTIONS. SHE ANSWERED ALL YOUR QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS? WELL ASK, ASK THE APPLICANT IF THERE'S ANY HARDY BOARD RIGHT HERE, SORT OF YES. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, I WAS LOOKING THROUGH, I MAY BE CONFUSED, BUT MAYBE YOU CAN CLARIFY WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A HARDY EMBOSSED GRAIN BOARD THAT WAS BEING USED ON THE PROJECT. UM, I'M NOT SURE. I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT. UH, DO YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE LIKE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE WALLS, YOU'RE USING SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE WOOD THAT'S ON THE REST? NO, I'M NOT. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FOR THE BOTTOM OF THE HOME? WE'RE JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY USE OF THE HARDY BOARD MATERIAL INSTEAD OF WOOD SIDING. AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE ASK FOR IT AT THE VERY BOTTOM WHERE THE BUILDING TOUCHES THE DIRT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T AFFECT TERMITES OR SOMETHING. AND WE DON'T GENERALLY ALLOW SIDING ALL OVER WITH, WITH HARDY BOARD OR SOME OTHER NON WOOD STUFF. UM, RIGHT NOW THIS COMMISSIONER THINKS HE SAW SOME, BUT WE CAN'T FIND IT, SO, YEAH, NO, UM, FROM MY KNOWLEDGE WE'RE ONLY USING WOOD SIDING. OKAY. WELL GOOD. THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. ANDERSON? UH, YES. DID YOU SAY YOU HAVE SOME REVISED DRAWINGS OR, OR, OR CHA MADE SOME CHANGES THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT? THE CHANGES THAT I TALKED ABOUT, I HAVE MADE THOSE. UM, AND I DID UPLOAD THAT ON MY DALLAS. NOW THE NEW PLAN SAID WITH THE CHANGES TO, UM, THE COLUMNS BEING EIGHT INCHES, THE BRICK AT THE BOTTOM, UM, MY WINDOWS, UM, UM, THE TRIM IN BETWEEN AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS IT. THESE ARE THE LATEST ONES FROM DALLAS. NOW WITH THE TWO PART COLUMN BRICK AT THE BOTTOM? YES. YEAH. THESE ARE THE LATEST DRAWINGS. OKAY. SEEING, OKAY. SO WE HAVE IN OUR, ON THE SCREEN TODAY ARE THE NEWER DRAWINGS. YEAH. BUT THEY'RE ALSO IN YOUR PACKET. WELL, THE [03:20:01] WINDOWS STILL APPEAR. THE, THE GABLE WINDOW STILL SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIG. YEAH, IT IS. AND THAT'S WHY I HAVE THE CONDITION ON THE AGENDA. OKAY, THANK YOU. I BELIEVE THEY DOWNSIZED THAT WINDOW TO THE MINIMUM, UM, SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT IS ALLOWED. THERE IS NO OTHER HOME ON, IN THE WHITLEY PLACE THAT HAS A WINDOW IN THE FRONT. 'CAUSE MINE IS GOING TO BE A, A STORY AND A HALF. SO THAT IS A BEDROOM WINDOW. MM-HMM. SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU HAVE REDUCED IT TO THE MINIMUM ALLOWED, LIKE BY FAR CODE SO THAT YOU WOULD ESCAPE OUT IT? EXACTLY, YES. SO THEN ON THE DRAWING, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED, UH, THIS QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT. I KNOW YOU MENTIONED IT WAS AN EIGHT BY EIGHT INCH COLUMN. ON THE DRAWINGS IT'S SHOWN 10 BY 10 USUALLY THE, THE, UM, THE WOODEN PART IS EIGHT BY EIGHT AND THE BRICK IS AT LEAST 14 INCHES. SO I'M NOT SURE WHEN YOU'RE MENTIONING EIGHT, DOES THAT MEAN THE, THE WOOD PORTION ON TOP OR THE BRICK PORTION ON THE BOTTOM? THAT IS, HOLD ON, I'M TRYING TO, UM, THE BRICK IS 10 BY 10 AND THE COLUMN AT THE TOP IS EIGHT INCHES. OKAY. SO IT'S CLOSED. UH, SO YOU WOULD LIKE ADJUST THE PROPORTIONS, I'M SORRY? YOU WOULD PREFER DIFFERENT PROPORTIONS YEAH. TO WHAT, UH, UH, DR. DUN HAS PUT IN HER CONDITIONS. OKAY. YEAH. UH, SO YOU ARE THE, YOU WANT THE BRICK TO BE, I THINK SHE SAID 14 INCHES? YEAH, CORRECT. YEAH. CORRECT. OKAY. YES. OKAY. AND THEN THE, THE WOOD TO BE IS EIGHT. OKAY. OR WOULD THAT NEED TO BE BIGGER AS WELL? UM, EIGHT IS FINE. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION. I I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION AND I HAD ONE MORE, UM, A COMMENT THAT STAFF MADE THAT WINDOW UP IN THE, UM, IN THE DORM, IN THE DORMER, IN THE GABLE THAT WE THINK IS TOO VERTICAL, UM, TO MEET THE FIRE CODE. HE SUGGESTED THAT IF YOU DID A CASEMENT WINDOW, THAT'S THE KIND THAT JUST HAS ONE PIECE OF GLASS THAT OPENS LIKE A LITTLE DOOR. IT WOULD ONLY HAVE TO BE AS BIG AS THE BOTTOM HALF OF THIS WINDOW, AND THEN IT WOULDN'T LOOK SO TALL. OKAY. UM, IT IS A BEDROOM WINDOW, SO I I, ME, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE TOO SMALL TO BE FOR A BEDROOM WINDOW. UM, OKAY. SO YOU'RE WANTING THE LIGHT TOO? YEAH, ONE LIGHT AS WELL. UM, COULD WE POSSIBLY ADD, I'M THINKING MAYBE TWO SMALL WINDOWS, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD LOOK AESTHETICALLY YEAH, THAT'S QUESTIONABLE WHETHER IT WOULD WORK OUT VERY WELL. YEAH. GIVEN THE PORCH THERE AND THE, THE POINT OF THE GABLE AND ALL THAT. ALL RIGHT. I WAS JUST ASKING HOW YOU TALK ABOUT THAT. MY QUESTION'S ALSO ABOUT THE WINDOW STAFF IS MAKING NOTE OF 24 BY 36. WHAT IS THE WINDOW DIMENSION THAT YOU'RE SHOWING ON THE SCREEN ON YOUR, THE PACKET TODAY? IS THAT 24 BY 36 OR? THAT IS, UM, 26 BY 46. PARDON ME? THAT IS A 26 5. 46. YEAH. SO THAT THE 20 WHAT THE, THE WINDOW IS SHOWN, IS THAT THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR EXIT FOR A BEDROOM? YES. I THINK WHEN SHE'S SAYING 26, SHE'S MEANING 30, IT'S LIKE A TWO BY, UM, WHAT IS IT, TWO FOOT SIX INCHES? 30 BY 60? YES. BY FOUR FOOT, SIX BY 60, IS THAT YEAH, I THINK SHE MEANS 30 BY 60. OKAY. UM, THE REQUIREMENT ON THE OPENING HAS TO BE CLEAR OPENING OF 24 INCHES, AND THAT'S LIKELY WHY THE 26 INCH SASH IS BEING, UH, OKAY. SUGGESTED. UM, THERE'S ALSO A, A, A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OFF OF THE, THE FLOOR THAT, THAT SILL CAN BE. OKAY. UH, I MEAN, GRANTED, THE FACT THAT THIS IS A STORY AND A HALF, I DON'T THINK BY, YOU KNOW, DROPPING THE WINDOW TO THE MINIMUM WOULD, UH, WOULD BE A PROBLEM. THE ISSUE IS JUST THE SHEER SIZE. IF IT IS A DOUBLE, I MEAN, IF IT'S A TWO SASH WINDOW, EVEN ROTATING AT 90 DEGREES, IT'LL END UP IN A SLIDER, WHICH IS KIND OF UNUSUAL TO, UM, TO BE ABLE TO OPEN. THAT'S WHY I WAS PREFERRING A SINGLE BASEMENT TO GET IT TO THE MORE PROPER SIZE. OKAY. DID YOU HEAR THAT RECOMMENDATION? YES, I DID. YES. SO TAKING, BASICALLY TAKING, MAKING IT A SMALLER WINDOW, JUST HAVING A SLIDE UP. NO, MA'AM. IT, NO, IT, IT WOULD BE, WELL, SO FOR INSTANCE, YOU COULD GO TO [03:25:01] A 26 BY 26 SO THAT WHEN IT OPENS, YOU HAVE A CLEAR DIMENSION OF WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR, FOR EXITING. UM, I THINK IF YOU GO ANY LARGER THAN THAT, UM, YOU'RE STARTING TO, I MEAN, OKAY, WHAT ABOUT 26 BY 30? AT LEAST WE'RE KEEPING IT TO ONE SASH AND, AND A LOT SMALLER THAN WHAT IT IS TODAY. IT, IT, THE ISSUE IS JUST THE SIZE OF IT, UH, AS IT'S, AS IT'S SHOT THE ELEVATION. OKAY. OKAY. I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION. GO AHEAD, SIR. AND SEE WHERE, UH, REGARDING CASE NUMBER C OH A 25 DASH 200, UH, ALSO KNOWN AS 28 0 2 TANNER STREET, THAT WE, UM, FOLLOW, LET'S SEE THAT WE APPROVE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. UM, I WANNA ALL THE, ALL THE CONDITIONS ARE, UH, UM, IN AGREEMENT WITH, EXCEPT THEY'RE NUMBER ONE. SO IS THERE, SHOULD I STATE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM OR NO? I THINK YOU COULD TELL US WHAT THE CONDITION SHOULD BE ON NUMBER ONE AND SAY THE OTHER REQUESTS WE'LL FOLLOW STAFF. OKAY. SO CONDITION NUMBER ONE THAT, UM, THAT THE FRONT GABLE WINDOW, UH, BE ALTERED SO THAT IT IS A CASEMENT, UM, 30 INCHES TALL BY 26 INCHES WIDE. UM, AND THAT, UM, WE FOLLOW ALL OF STAFF'S, UH, UH, THE, THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS, UH, 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE SECOND. I SECOND IT. UH, THAT WAS QUITE A RUSH THERE. WE'LL SAY COMMISSIONER ANDERSON WAS THE SECOND. YOU, YOU LOST THAT TIME. SORRY. OKAY. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ARE WE READY FOR VOTE? ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, MA'AM, SO YOU HAVE YOUR APPROVAL WITH, UM, WITH SOME CONDITIONS, BUT YOU CAN GO AHEAD THEN AND, AND GET YOUR BUILDING PERMIT AND START BUILDING YOUR HOUSE STAFF. UH, DO CONTACT STAFF. THEY'LL SEND YOU YOUR CA AND THEY WILL EXPLAIN ANY CONDITIONS TO YOU. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH. I, WE WISH YOU LUCK. THANK YOU FOR BUILDING A NICE NEW HOUSE. THANK . THANK YOU. HAVE A GREAT DAY. YOU TOO. OKAY, NEXT UP IS D EIGHT, FOR WHICH WE SHOULD ALSO HAVE A SPEAKER OR TWO SPEAKERS ONLINE. YES. UH, CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 8 1 26 NORTH WINDERMERE AVENUE, WINNETKA HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 25 DASH 0 1 94. REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE 16 EXISTING WINDOWS WITH CREST MARK COLLECTION TWO 20 SERIES VINYL WINDOWS STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO D TO REPLACE 16 EXISTING WINDOWS WITH CREST MARK COLLECTION. TWO 20 SERIES VINYL WINDOWS BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FIGHTING. THE FACT THERE IS INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE THAT THE EXISTING WINDOWS NEED TO BE REPLACED AND THAT VINYL WINDOWS ARE NOT AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL FOR A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN A, IN THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION 51 P DASH 87 1 11 A 17, THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, NO QUORUM TASK FORCE RECOMMENDS DENYING WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE REPLACEMENT OF 16 EXISTING WINDOWS REQUEST MARK COLLECTION TWO 20 SERIES MODEL WINDOWS. ALRIGHT, AND WE HAVE AS OUR SPEAKER TODAY, SIDNEY . AND UM, MA'AM, I NEED YOU TO STATE YOUR NAME PROPERLY AND YOUR ADDRESS AND UH, TELL US THAT YOU WILL TELL THE TRUTH. YES. HI, MY NAME IS SYDNEY BUD. KEY 1 26 NORTH WINDERMERE AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS 75 2 0 8. AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. OKAY MA'AM. AND, UH, YOU GO AHEAD AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US WHAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR REQUEST. WE KNOW IT'S A BIT OF A COMPLICATED SITUATION. YES, THANK YOU. UM, SO LIKE I SAID, MY NAME IS SYDNEY. I HAVE MY HUSBAND HERE AS WELL, DANIEL . WE MOVED IN JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO. I KNOW SOME OF YOU GUYS MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY. UM, BUT WE MOVED IN AND, UM, RECEIVED THE HOUSE WITH ABOUT 33 WINDOWS AND JUST A FEW WITH THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS. THE REST, UH, ARE VINYL WINDOWS THAT WE RECEIVED WITH THE HOUSE. UM, UPON MOVING IN, UM, I WOULD KIND OF DESCRIBE IT AS UNSAFE. UH, WE'VE HAD RAIN COME THROUGH THE WINDOWS. UM, SOME WINDOWS DON'T SHUT AT ALL, UM, WHERE WE'VE HAD TO PUT WOOD, UM, ON IT TO KEEP IT CLOSED. UM, AND SO THAT RAIN DOES NOT CONTINUE TO COME IN. UM, [03:30:01] WE HAVE A MAJORITY OF THESE VINYL WINDOWS THAT DON'T SHUT OR LOCK, UM, AND IT'S JUST SIMPLY UNSAFE. UM, AND SO WE ARE LOOKING TO REPLACE LESS THAN HALF OF THESE WINDOWS. UH, ONLY THE EXISTING VINYL ONES. WE OBVIOUSLY WISH TO KEEP THE WOOD WINDOWS 'CAUSE UH, WE, AS YOU GUYS LIKE THE LOOK OF THEM AND UM, OBVIOUSLY WANNA KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF, OF THE LOOK OF THE HOUSE. BUT, UM, ARE LOOKING TO, UM, GET THE CURRENT VINYL ONES, NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT JUST THE ONES THAT ARE IN, UM, JUST UNSAFE CONDITION REPLACED. UH, CURRENTLY THEY'RE BLACK VINYL. UM, AND WE ARE LOOKING TO, UH, BRING THEM TO WHITE VINYLS THAT WOULD MATCH THE HOUSE, UM, BETTER, UM, AS IT IS A WHITE HOME. UM, AND IT IS INCREDIBLY OBVIOUS THAT THE WITNESS ARE NOT COMPLIANT. SO, UM, THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MA'AM. COMMISSIONER AS WELL. HAVE QUESTIONS NOW, I THINK COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. UH, YES. DID YOU HAVE A, UM, CONTRACTOR OR ARCHITECT WHO WORKS IN HISTORIC PROPERTIES LOOK AT THE WINDOWS TO DETERMINE WHICH ONES COULD BE SALVAGED OR REPAIRED? YES, WE DID. UM, AND A MAJORITY OF, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE, THE ONES WE'RE REQUESTING TO GET REPAIRED? THE VINYL ONES? WELL YOU APPEARS YOU HAVE 22 OR LET ME SEE, WHERE SHE'S ONLY, UH, PROPOSING TO REPLACE NON HISTORIC WINDOW VINYL NUMBER. OH, I MISUNDERSTOOD. NEVERMIND. OKAY. I WAS CONFUSED A MOMENT THERE. . SO NO, THEY'RE ONLY TIME TO REPLACE THE NOT HIGHLY FUNCTIONAL METAL WINDOWS. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. IS THERE ANY PRESIDENTIAL VINYL WINDOWS IN WINNE HEIGHTS? NOT THAT I KNOW OF. UM, UH, THAT VINYL WINDOWS HAVE IT, WE, THIS BODY HAS NOT BEEN APPROVING VINYL LINE DEAD. I DIDN'T THINK SO. I WANTED TO GET THE ANSWER FROM STAFF. CORRECT. IF THERE'S, IF THERE ARE ANY IN WINNETKA, THEY HAPPENED MAYBE BEFORE OR SOMEBODY OR SOME OTHER, UH, COMMIT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS DONE AT A DIFFERENT TIME AND THEY, THEY TOOK A DIFFERENT THING. OKAY. SO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION HAS AN APPROVED VINYL WINDOWS IN WINNETKA HEIGHTS. NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY, THAT YOU KNOW OF. IT'S NOT . THANK YOU. THERE CURRENTLY IS A, UM, HOUSE BEING BUILT RIGHT BEHIND US WITH VINYL WINDOWS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DO NOT KNOW THE ADDRESS. I COULD GET IT, BUT I DO NOT KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HAND. UM, THAT WAS NOT APPROVED SO WE'LL. . YEAH, THAT'S DEFINITELY YOU HAVE NOW OUTED YOUR NEIGHBORS . I APOLOGIZE. YEAH. THINGS HAPPEN IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT AREN'T APPROVED. YOU LEARNED THAT. OH, SO THE PREVIOUS ONE PUT THEM IN IN RECENT TIMES WITHOUT, OKAY. YES. RIGHT BEFORE THEY BOUGHT THE HOUSE. YES. THESE ARE VERY RECENTLY INSTALLED METAL WINDOWS. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE HAD A FEW TOPICS WE DISCUSSED DURING THE BRIEFING THAT HAVEN'T COME UP YET. ONE OF THOSE WAS, WE WONDERED, DID YOU HAVE AN INSPECTOR THAT IDENTIFIED THE PROBLEM WITH THE WINDOWS BEFORE YOU BOUGHT THE HOUSE? I MEAN, WE'RE SO SORRY THIS HAPPENED TO YOU AND I'M JUST WONDERING HOW SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD HAPPEN. YES. SO WHEN WE GOT OUR INSPECTION DONE, IT WAS NOTED, UM, THAT THE WINDOWS WERE NOT IN GOOD CONDITION AND REQUIRED, UH, REPLACEMENT. SO WE WERE AWARE WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE, WE WERE UNAWARE OF THE APPROVAL PROCESSES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, OBVIOUSLY BEFORE. OKAY. SO THE REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL WHO HELPED YOU DID NOT TO EXPLAIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND HOW ITS ORDINANCE WOULD AFFECT YOUR OPTIONS FOR THE THREE OF YOUR HOUSE. THEY DID. THEY DID. UM, WHAT I'M SPECIFYING IS THAT, UH, WE WERE UNAWARE THAT THESE WERE UN THESE WERE NOT APPROVED. THERE WAS NO SPECIFIC APPROVAL FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNER. UM, YEAH, WE JUST ASSUMED IT WOULDN'T BE, THIS IS NOT, IT WAS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE SEEN THIS SITUATION HAPPEN AND WE ALWAYS FEEL VERY SORRY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO, WHO BOUGHT THE HOUSE. UNFORTUNATELY YOU DID BUY A LITTLE PROBLEM WITH YOUR HOUSE. ALRIGHT. DO COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DOES SOMEONE HAVE A MOTION TO MAKE ON, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT TO THE APPLICANT. UH, THIS IS SITUATION IS UNFORTUNATE, BUT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE HOUSE IN THE PAST, WHEN YOU BUY IT, IT NOW BECOMES YOUR CONCERN. IT IS SIMILAR TO IF YOU BOUGHT A HOUSE THAT HAD A FIRE IN THE ATTIC AND SOMEBODY SHEET ROCKED OVER THE, THE STRUCTURE AND YOU FIND OUT LATER THAT IT'S STRUCTURALLY UNSOUND BECAUSE THEY COVERED SOMETHING UP. SO UNFORTUNATELY THE, YOU'RE NOW RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, BUT YOU CAN GO BACK AND WORK WITH THE PAST O OWNER ABOUT THE SITUATION IF YOU NEED TO. IF POSSIBLE. ALL RIGHT. IF NO ONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, DOES ANYONE HAVE A MOTION TO MAKE? NOR DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS, WELL, I GUESS, WE'LL, I GUESS NEVER TO LEAVE IT AS IT IS. INSTEAD, UM, PROVING WITH CONDITIONS THAT THE WINDOWS WERE REPLACED WITH WOOD [03:35:01] ONE OVER ONE AND THAT WINDOWS NOT, I MEAN, YOU SAID ONE, ONE, I MEAN, GENERALLY THAT'S IT. AND THEN HAVE THAT YOU CAN DO AN APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT AND THEN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND THEN, AND, AND THAT STAFF APPROVED THE FINAL PRODUCT BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE FASTER. SO YEAH. SO OUR WINDOWS DON'T QUIT LEAKING, STOP LEAKING ANYWAY. OKAY. UM, ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION. UM, GO AHEAD. LET'S SEE. UH, CASE NUMBER COA 2 5 1 9 4, ALSO KNOWN AS, UH, 1 2 6 NORTH WINDERMERE AVENUE THAT WE, UM, APPROVE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT, UM, THE WINDOWS BE REPLACED, UH, ON THE EXCLUSIVE OF THE FRONT, THAT THE WINDOWS BE REPLACED, UH, WITH, UH, WOOD FRAME AND THAT THEY'RE ONE OVER ONE, AND THAT THE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT OF THE HOME, UM, BE REPLACED WITH WOOD. AND, UM, THE TOP SASH, I THINK IT'S THREE OR THE, THE SASHES ARE THREE OVER ONE. IS THAT I'LL, I'LL CHECK WHILE YOU'RE DOING YES, I CLOSED IT UP. OKAY. AND THAT, UM, THE PROPOSED WORK WOULD THEN, UM, MEET THE STANDARDS OF CITY CODE, UH, 51 A DASH, UH, 4.501, UH, G SIX C, UH, ROMAN AT ONE, UH, FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. YES. IT LOOKS LIKE THE, THEY WERE FOUR OVER ONE. THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS IN THE FRONT, THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS ON FACING THE FRONT ARE FOUR OVER ONE. YES. OKAY. I'LL CHANGE THEN TO, UM, THAT THE FRONT OR THE CONDITION THAT THE, THE FRONT WINDOWS BE WOOD, UM, FOR NUMBER ONE. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE I, TO MATCH. TO MATCH THE EXISTING EXISTING, YES. AND ARE YOU ALSO SAYING THAT THE, THE WINDOWS AROUND THE ENTIRE HOUSE BE WOOD AS WELL? YES. OKAY. BUT OFTEN THE CONFIGURATION DID NOT CARRY AROUND THE ENTIRE HOUSE, SO YEAH. RIGHT. THAT'S WHY I WAS ONLY SAYING THE, THE FRONT FACING LIKE TO BE ONE BY ONE ON THE OTHER MALL. CORRECT. ALRIGHT. CAN YOU REREAD THE MOTION? I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. YEAH. NOW WE'VE CONFUSED EVERYBODY. SO YOU HAVE TO DO . UM, OKAY. BUT, UH, REGARDING THIS CASE THAT, UM, THE, UM, REPLACEMENT WINDOWS BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING, UH, TWO CONDITIONS. FIRST THAT ANY WINDOWS NOT FACING THE STREET WOULD BE WOOD FRAME, ONE OVER ONE AND THE WINDOWS FACING THE STREET WOULD BE, UM, WOOD FRAME, UH, FOUR OVER ONE TO MATCH EXISTING HISTORIC HISTORIC MATCH. HISTORIC TO MATCH THE HISTORIC, YEAH. UH, WINDOWS, NOT THE VINYL. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON WAS THE SECOND TO GET, HE'S SO PROUD OF THAT. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION TO HAVE COMMISSIONER HARPER? OH, YOU HAD YOUR MICROPHONE. ALRIGHT, IN THE ABSENCE OF FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE WILL TAKE A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. AND YOU OPPOSED THIS MOTION? OKAY. IT APPEARS THAT THERE ARE NO OPPOSED, SO THIS HAS CARRIED, I KNOW THAT WHAT WE HAVE APPROVED TO THE APPLICANT IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANTED. UM, AND THERE, THERE ARE REASONS THAT THAT PREVENTED US FROM, UM, FROM REALLY GOING WITH APPROVING THE VINYL. WE DON'T GENERALLY APPROVE THAT IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. PLEASE WORK WITH STAFF TO FIND OUT WHAT, WHAT TYPES OF WINDOWS HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND WHAT WOULD WORK WELL. OKAY. THAT THE DEEP. OKAY. D TWO. ALL RIGHT. DD TWO. D TWO. OKAY. DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 2 57 33. VICTOR STREET, GENIUS HEIGHT, HISTORIC DISTRICT CO 8 25 2 59. REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO EXTEND EIGHT FOOT BOARD ON BOARD BOARD WOOD FENCE FROM EXISTING LOCATION TO THE NORTH FRONT SIDE OF MAIN STRUCTURE TO PREVENT FURTHER DESTRUCTION TO THE STRUCTURE FROM VEHICULAR COLLISION. STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO EXTEND EIGHT FOOT BOARD ON BOARD WOOD FENCE FROM EXISTING LOCATION TO NORTHBROOK SIDE OF MAIN STRUCTURE TO PREVENT FURTHER DESTRUCTION TO THE STRUCTURE FROM VEHICULAR COLLISION BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FINDING. THE FACT THAT THE PRO PROPOSED FENCE LOCATION SCREENS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE HOUSE ON THE CORNER SIDE, AND THAT EVIDENCE HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED, THAT PROVES A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL SCREENING. THE PROPOSED WORK, THEREFORE WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE STRUCTURE [03:40:01] WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT AND IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION 3.6 A THREE, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 6 CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR SETTINGS DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST THAT THE REQUEST EXTENDING EIGHT FOOT BOARD ON BOARD BOARD FENCE FROM EXISTING LOCATION TO THE NORTH FRONT SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE TO PREVENT FURTHER DESTRUCTION TO THE STRUCTURE FROM VEHICULAR COLLISIONS TO BE APPROVED AS SHOWN FOR SECTION 3.6 A THREE DUE TO SAFETY CONCERNS. ALL RIGHT, AND WE HAVE A SPEAKER HERE. MA'AM, IF YOU COULD BEGIN BY GIVING US YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND, UH, SWEARING OR AFFIRMING THE TRUTH WILL TELL THE TRUTH. MY NAME IS RACHEL FEIG. MY ADDRESS IS 5 7 3 3 VICTOR STREET IN DALLAS, 7 5 2 1 4. UM, I PROMISED TO TELL THE TRUTH. OKAY, MA'AM, AND YOU MAY NEED TO SPEAK UP A BIT. YOUR MICROPHONE IS NOT COMING THROUGH VERY LOUDLY AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE ARE ALL SADDENED TO HEAR ABOUT THE TRIALS YOU HAVE HAD WITH YOUR HOUSE, AND SORRY ABOUT THAT HAPPENED. SO IF, UM, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES NOW, IF YOU TELL US ANYTHING FURTHER YOU'D LIKE US TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROPOSED PROJECT. UM, YES. I'VE LIVED HERE AT MY HOUSE, UM, IN JUNIUS HIGH NOW FOR FOUR YEARS. UM, WITHIN AN 18 MONTH SPAN, I'VE HAD TWO SEPARATE CARS OR PIECES OF THE CAR HIT MY HOUSE. I LIVE OFF OF ABRAMS, WHICH IS A BUSY FOUR LANE THOROUGHFARE. UM, I LIVE AT THE SOUTH SIDE OF A CURVE, AND SO TWO SEPARATE INCIDENTS OF ACCIDENTS HAVE HAPPENED INVOLVING THE HOUSE, ONE OF WHICH DISPLACING ME FOR EIGHT MONTHS. UM, MOST RECENTLY A PIECE OF A CAR HIT THE HOUSE AGAIN REQUIRING CONSTRUCTION OR, UH, UH, UH, FIX FIXING THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AGAIN. MOST RECENTLY IN JUNE. UM, I AM CONCERNED NOT ONLY FOR MY OWN SAFETY, UM, BUT ALSO FOR THE SAFETY OF THIS HOUSE. UM, AND SO I AM PRO I AM ASKING FOR, UM, A FENCE TO BE BUILT THAT IS REINFORCED EVERY FOUR FEET WITH CONCRETE, UH, PILLARS. SO THAT WAY THE HOUSE AND MYSELF CAN BE PROTECTED SO THAT I CAN CONTINUE TO LIVE HERE. UM, OTHERWISE I FEEL THAT I AM UNSAFE, AS YOU CAN PROBABLY HEAR FROM THE TRAFFIC IN THE BACKGROUND. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MA'AM. UM, A LOT OF US WERE WONDERING, UH, WHERE DID YOU GET, YOU KNOW, WHAT MOM, WHAT DO YOU BASE THE IDEA THAT, THAT YOUR DESIGN WILL STOP A CAR? THAT IT'S BETTER THAN A HOUSE? UH, AT FIRST GLANCE, A FENCE DOESN'T SEEM BETTER TO STOP A CAR. SO THAT'S, THAT IS BETTER THAN WHAT DESIGN. TO CLARIFY THE QUESTION, UM, HOW, WHAT, WHERE DO YOU GET, UM, THIS PARTICULAR FENCE DESIGNED? THE BELIEF THAT IT COULD STOP AN ONCOMING CAR? UH, WE'RE TENDING TO THINK A FENCE IS REALLY EASY TO RUN THROUGH, ACTUALLY, BECAUSE THE DESIGN IS BUILT WHERE EVERY FOUR FEET THERE ARE PILLARS, BASICALLY BALLARDS EVERY FOUR FEET. MM-HMM. WHICH IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH STOPPING THE CAR. OKAY. THAT, THAT WAS THE PART WE DID NOT HAVE BEFORE, THAT SHE WAS GOING TO COME BACK, SHE HAD TO TALK TO HER CONTRACTOR TO SEE HOW THEY COULD REINFORCE IT. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY NEW INFORMATION. OKAY. SO WILL THE BALLARDS BE ON THE INSIDE OR THE OUTSIDE OF THE FENCE? ON THE INSIDE, THAT WAY IT'S MORE, UM, AESTHETICALLY PLEASING FROM THE OUTSIDE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, COMMISSIONER HARPER? WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY, YEAH, THAT WASN'T PART OF THE APPLICATION OR DISCUSSION ON TUESDAY, SO THAT DOES CHANGE THINGS CONCERNING FOUR MONTHS THAT A SIMPLE BOARD ON BOARD WITH FENCE WOULD NOT STOP. THAT WAS THE QUESTION WE HAD, AND WE WERE WAITING FOR HER TO COME BACK WITH REINFORCEMENT IDEAS. DO WE HAVE A, A SKETCH OR ANY KIND OF INFORMATION OR NO? UH, DO DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF SKETCH, RACHEL, THAT WE CAN ADD TO THE APPLICATION? I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A SKETCH. I, I'M JUST GOING WITH WHAT MY CONTRACTOR HAS TOLD ME. I'M JUST TRYING TO PROTECT MY HOUSE AND MY, AND MYSELF. BUT THE BALL, YOU WRITE IT FOUR FEET TALL? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? I'M SORRY. THE BALLARDS ARE FOUR FEET TALL. THE BALLARDS ARE FOUR FEET APART. FOUR FEET APART. OKAY. FOUR FEET APART. HOW TALL ARE THEY? I DON'T KNOW. KEEP IN MIND ALSO THAT THE, SHE INTENDS FOR THE BALLARDS TO BE ON THE INSIDE OF THE FENCE. YEAH. SO WE'RE JUST, THEY'RE BIG ENOUGH TO STOP A CAR AND WE DON'T CARE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE INSIDE YOUR FENCE BECAUSE THAT'S ONLY YOUR PROBLEM. RIGHT. AND WE COULD DO A STAFF IF SHE, IF SHE GIVES US A, A, A NEW DRAWING OR PLAN OR WHATEVER, WE CAN STAMP IT IF Y'ALL APPROVE IT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER OSI, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR, UH, STAFF. UM, I KNOW THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE IS A CONCERN. IF THE APPLICANT DID A SHORTER FENCE WITH THE MILEAGE BEHIND IT THAT YOU COULDN'T SEE, WHAT, HOW WOULD THAT WORK WITH THE CURRENT ORDINANCE? WELL, ACTUALLY THEY'RE STILL WITHIN THE HEIGHT OF THE ORDINANCE. IT'S JUST THE [03:45:01] LOCATION. RIGHT. THEY COULD HAVE UP TO NINE FEET. REALLY. THE CURRENT ORDINANCE SAYS THAT THERE, THERE CAN'T BE A FENCE AT ALL IN THIS YARD ON, IT'S A CORNER SIDE YARD. SO, SO THE ORDINANCE SAYS NO FENCE AT ALL IN THE, IN THE SIDE YARD. UM, SO Y'ALL WOULD BE MAKING THE EXCEPTION YOU WOULD MAKE BE MAKING AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE. I HAVE A MOTION. ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD. I I HAVE A, I'M NOT, I'M TALKING, YOU CAN TALK. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I THINK WE CAN DESCRIBE THE DIMENSIONS OF WHAT THAT NEEDS TO BE VERBALLY TO HAVE IT FOLLOWED, UM, TO FOLLOW OUR, WHAT WE WANT TO ACHIEVE WITH THAT BALLARD AND WITH THAT HEIGHT OF THAT FENCE. YEAH, WE, WE CAN ALWAYS DO THAT. AND IF YOU COULD HOLD ON YOUR MOTION JUST A SECOND. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON HAD ONE MORE QUESTION. I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR A FENCE HERE AT ALL. THE FENCE IS GONNA BE OBSTRUCTING THE VIEW OF THE BUILDING. I WOULD RATHER SEE BOLLARDS LOCATED AND IF THEY WERE UNSIGHTLY, THEY CAN PUT SOME LANDSCAPING AROUND THE BOLLARDS, BUT TO BUILD A FENCE TO STOP A CAR AND THE BOLLARDS ARE STOPPING THE CAR, NOT THE FENCE. IT'S A KIND OF A, A ROUNDABOUT WAY TO DO IT. SO I WOULD SUPPORT SOME TYPE OF BOLLARDS IN THE YARD. THEY CAN BE PAINTED ANY COLOR, THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH THE BOLLARDS. THEY CAN MAKE THEM DECORATIVE IF THEY LIKE, THEY CAN PUT A BUSH AROUND 'EM IF THEY'D LIKE TO. BUT I DON'T THINK A FENCE IS THE ANSWER BOLLARDS OR THE ANSWER. THE DEFENSE WILL NOT STOP THE CAR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE THE MOTION? I JUST WANTED TO CONCUR ACTUALLY. UM, THE, UH, THOUGHT OF EX UH, CONTINUING WITH THE LANDSCAPE OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NOTHING SHOWN OR CON PRESENTED IN ANY OF THOSE CASES. AS COMMISSIONER ANDERSON WAS STATING, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO SEEN SOME EXHAUSTIVE MEASURES IN THAT RESPECT, UH, BOLLARDS AND ROCKS AND HIDE THEM WITH LANDSCAPING AND THAT KINDA STUFF. SO I, I'M GLAD HE BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WOULD'VE LIKED TO SEEN AN EXHAUSTIVE DESIGN APPROACH THAN JUST ONE PARTICULAR DESIGN SAYING PUT A FENCE UP. BUT YES. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? UM, YES MA'AM. SINCE WE ARE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU LIKE YOU WORKED HERE, BUT YOU ARE HAVE, HAVE YOU ALL SEEN THE PICTURES OF THE PREVIOUS DAMAGE? YES. THEY HAVE SEEN ALL THE, ALL THE PHOTOS THAT YOU HAVE SUBMITTED TO ME. UM, THEIR CONCERN IS THAT THE FENCE WILL SCREEN YOUR HOUSE AND HIDE BASICALLY ITS ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. WHEREAS IF YOU PUT THE BALLARDS UP AND PERHAPS BUSHES AROUND IT, IT WOULD LOOK MORE AS A LANDSCAPING FEATURE AND NOT HIDE THE HOUSE. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU ALL ARE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE LOOKS COMPARED TO KEEPING THE STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE INTACT AS WELL AS MY OWN ABILITY TO LIVE HERE? NO MA'AM. I'M SO SORRY THAT YOU, YOU HEARD THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT WE THINK THE BALLARDS ARE A GREAT IDEA TO PROTECT YOU AND YOUR HOUSE. WE'RE NOT UNDERSTANDING IF THE FENCE CONTRIBUTES ADDITIONAL PROTECTION AND IF IT DOESN'T, THEN MAYBE IT'S NOT NEEDED. MAYBE ONLY THE BALLARDS ARE NEEDED FOR YOUR PROTECTION. IF THE DO IS THE FENCE SOMEHOW MAKING YOU SAFER FROM THE CARS? IT IS BECAUSE IT'S TALLER THAN THE BALLARDS. OKAY. AND UM, AND DO YOU THINK THAT THE POSTS ARE IN THE GROUND DEEP ENOUGH AND ARE STURDY ENOUGH TO STOP A CAR? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE KIND OF ASKING, I GUESS. YEAH. AND WONDERING YES, YOU DO. ALL RIGHT MA'AM. THANK YOU. WE HAVE VOICED SEVERAL OPINIONS HERE. I THINK WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER READY TO MAKE A MOTION. IT WOULD BE BETTER TO GET A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND THEN DISCUSS THAT AT THIS POINT. YES. UM, MY MOTION FOR COA 25 0 0 0 2 5 9 AT 5 7 3 3 VICTORY STREET IS TO APPROVE THE MOTION WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE FENCE HEIGHT BE REDUCED TO SIX FEET AND THAT THE INSTALLATION OF BALLARDS BEHIND THE FENCE AT FOUR FEET HIGH, UM, AT EVERY FOUR FEET ON THE PERIMETER OF THAT NEW FENCE TO PREVENT VEHICLE CONSTRUCTION OR COLLISIONS. DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THIS MOTION? COMMISSIONER CIA A SECOND THAT, ANY COMMENT? I HAVE A COMMENT. UH, LOUIS'S ITALIAN GROCERY STORE HAD A CAR COME THROUGH THEIR PLATE GLASS WINDOW, THEY PUT BOLLARDS IN AND THAT WAS THE END OF THE PROBLEM. THEY DIDN'T PUT A FOUR FOOT TRANSCRIPT, THEY PUT, UM, STEEL BOLLARDS IN. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, I THINK THIS IS AN EXTREMELY UNUSUAL QUESTION THAT HAS COME BEFORE US. I WOULD NOT NORMALLY FOR ANY OTHER REASONS BE IN FAVOR OF THE FENCE IN THAT LOCATION AND I DON'T THINK A FENCE IS GONNA STOP A CAR. BUT I ALSO THINK THAT IN THIS VERY UNUSUAL SITUATION, [03:50:01] WE CAN LET THEM HAVE THE REDUCED HEIGHT FENCE IN ADDITION TO THE BOLLARDS JUST BECAUSE THERE IS NO PERFECT ANSWER AND BOS AREN'T ALL THAT ATTRACTIVE NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU TRY TO LANDSCAPE. AND THE FENCE MIGHT LOOK BETTER THAN THE BALLARDS WOULD. SO I WOULDN'T BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS I WAS GOING TO JUMP ON THERE AS WELL? I, THIS IS AN UNUSUAL CONDITION. I WAS GONNA SUPPORT THIS MEASURE AS IT IS. I WOULD'VE, UH, I'M SADDENED THAT WE DON'T HAVE MORES MORE DESIGN THOUGHTS CARRIED THROUGH AND SOME LANDSCAPING IDEAS, BUT I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS UNUSUAL SITUATION AND AND GENTLEMEN AND COMMISSIONERS, I MAKE THIS MOTION IN EFFECT THAT THIS IS A SAFETY CONCERN AND IT'S CARS HAVE ALREADY STRUCK THE HOUSE AND I DON'T WANT TO DRAW THIS OUT FOR MULTIPLE DIFFERENT LANDMARKS BASED ON DRAWINGS. IF WE CAN PREVENT THAT RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT NOW. YES. JUST WANNA MAKE A NOTE WITH THIS CONDITION. I BELIEVE HER EXISTING FENCE IS EIGHT FEET. SO YOU MIGHT WANNA ADDRESS THE DROPDOWN. YES. HOW WILL THE NEW FENCE MEET THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE? IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SIX FOOT FENCE? I BELIEVE HER EXISTING IS EIGHT FOOT, SO WELL JUST SO THAT SHE IS AWARE. YEAH. ALSO, I HAD A QUESTION ON, ON, UM, THE LOCATION OF THE FOUR FOOT FENCE. IN OTHER WORDS, WHERE DOES IT STOP? DOES IT COME ALL THE, THE WAY TO THE FACE OF THE UM, THE HOME? LIKE IS SHOWN IN THE PLAN THAT SHE'S PROPOSING THE, THE THE SIX FOOT FENCE? I'M SORRY. YEAH. OKAY. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? YES. ARE YOU WAITING FOR ME? I DON'T HAVE MY, SHE WAS ASKING IF THE LOCATION OF THE FENCE WILL FOLLOW THE BLUE LINE IN THE SITE PLAN. THAT'S WHAT CHRISTINA WAS WONDERING. YES, CORRECT. THE PROPOSED THE BLUE LINE THAT WAS PROPOSED IN THE ADMISSION. OKAY. SO IT WILL BE A FENCE THAT FOLLOWS THE BLUE LINE AND THE HEIGHT IS VERIFIED AS BEING SIX FEET. SIX FEET WITH A 45 DEGREE ANGLE DROP DOWN. OKAY. FROM EIGHT TO SIX FEET. ALRIGHT. UM, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS NEW COMMENTS, IT'S TIME TO CALL FOR THE VOTE ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S THREE 11. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ALL THOSE OPPOSED PLEASE SAY NO. NO. OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONER OFFIT, WERE YOU IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED? I WAS IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION. OKAY. 'CAUSE I CAN HEAR EVERYBODY HERE. I JUST CAN'T BE SURE ABOUT ANYBODY. UH, PAUL. OKAY. SO IT APPEARS THAT THIS MOTION HAS PASSED. SO MA'AM, YOU HAVE APPROVAL TO BUILD YOUR FENCE WITH THE BALLARDS. THE FENCE IS A LITTLE BIT SHORTER. UM, AND YOU CAN WORK WITH STAFF ON THE DETAILS OF EXACTLY HOW THAT WILL BE DESIGNED. AND I HOPE THAT THIS WILL PROTECT YOUR HOME AND THAT YOU WILL FEEL SAFE AND YOUR HOUSE WILL, YOUR LOVELY HOUSE WILL ALSO BE SAFE. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. UH, JUST THE, TO WRITE IN THE CONDITION WHEN WE DO COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, DID YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC POINT? UM, MAYBE THE REAR 50% OF WHERE YOU WANTED THE DROPDOWN TO HAPPEN. OTHERWISE WE COULD HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT AND THIS JUST FRONT, IT'S AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHEN I DO THE CA, WHERE IS A 45 DEGREE DROP GOING TO HAPPEN? WHERE AT ON THE FIVE POINT I I WAS GONNA SAY THE TOP OF THE FENCE. THE TRANSITION FROM THE EXISTING FENCE TO THE MIRROR. THE FENCE. OKAY. CORRECT. ALSO FOR THE RECORD, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER ANDERSON WAS THE ONE, THE SAME THING, BUT YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. RICHARD. CHAIRMAN, I HATE TO INTERRUPT AND 'CAUSE WE'RE MOVING SO SWIFTLY. UM, HOWEVER, UH, TECHNICALLY MR. TAYLOR MADE THE MOTION IT WAS SECONDED AND WERE VOTED ON. AND THEN MS. PEREZ POINTED OUT THAT CONTINGENCY. SO THERE NEEDS TO REALLY, IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE REDONE IF HE WANTS THAT ADDED TO THAT MOTION. OKAY. WE ALL, I ALL UNDERSTOOD THAT HE MEANT THE NEW DEFENSE WOULD BE SIX. I THINK IT WAS A CLARIFICATION FOR HER. YEAH, I JUST WANTED, IT WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING. THE OFFENSE IS EIGHT. UNDERSTOOD. MY APOLOGIES. SOMETIMES, UH, MY LAWYER BRAIN DOESN'T ALWAYS JIVE WITH THE ARCHITECT BRAIN. SO APPRECIATE AND MY BRAIN CAN'T UNDERSTAND ANY OF YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO, OKAY. THANK YOU MS. FI. I HOPE THAT THIS WILL SERVE YOUR PURPOSES AND OFFER YOU THE PROTECTION YOU NEED. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL NOW HEAR D THREE. OKAY, D THREE PLEASE. HERE WE GO. DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 3 50 16 VICTOR STREET. UM, THERE ARE TWO REQUESTS. REQUEST OH COA 25 2 4 2 REQUEST ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL SIDE AND REAR WINDOWS WITH NEW ANDERSON FIBER X 100 SERIES WINDOWS REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE BOTH SETS OF THREE WINDOWS OF THE REAR. FIRST STORY SIDE, MAIN [03:55:01] STRUCTURE WITH THREE PANEL SLIDING DOORS TO ACCE TO ALLOW ACCESS TO THE REAR TASK FORCE TASK FORCE. I MEAN YOU HAVEN'T READ, OH YOU'RE RIGHT. MY APOLOGIES. YEAH. STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO REPLACE ALL SIDE AND REAR WINDOWS WITH ANDERSON FIBER X 100 SERIES WINDOWS BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE. BUT DEFINING THE FACT THAT THERE IS INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE THAT THE EXISTING WINDOWS NEED TO BE REPLACED. THAT THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA CONTAIN AN ERROR IN SECTION 51 P 97.1 11 C ONE S ROMAN THREE AND THAT VINYL WINDOWS ARE NOT AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL IN A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE OR IN THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE PROPOSED WORK THEREFORE WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE STRUCTURE AND ON THE DISTRICT AND IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 GC ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR SETTING, SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER TWO THAT THE REQUEST TO REPLACE BOTH SETS OF THREE WINDOWS OF REAR FIRST STORY SIDE OF MAIN STRUCTURE WITH THREE PANEL SLIDING DOOR TO ALLOW ACCESS TO REAR YARD BE APPROVED [*A portion of this item is unavailable* ] IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 6 20 25. THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 51 P DASH 97 1 11 C ONE S, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NONCONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTINGS. DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR ALL SIDE AND REAR WINDOWS WITH ANDERSON FIBER X 100 SERIES WINDOWS BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE. REPLACING WOOD WINDOWS WITH VINYL OR ALUMINUM WINDOWS IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE STYLE FOR PERIOD OF THE BUILDING. IT BECOMES A CONFORMING STRUCTURE. SHOULD FOLLOW EXHIBIT 97 K WITH THE SECTION OF CODE REFERENCED. UH, SECTION 51 P DASH 97 DASH 1 1 1 C ONE S3 IS A TYPO. NUMBER TWO THAT THE REQUEST TO PLACE BOTH SETS OF THREE WINDOWS OF REAR FIRST STORY SIDE OF MAIN STRUCTURE WITH THREE PANELS SLIDING DOOR TO ALLOW ACCESS TO REAR YARD BE APPROVED. ALRIGHT, AND WE DO NOT HAVE A SPEAKER FOR THIS ONE. ALRIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR DOES ANYONE HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. YES. HAS ANY PRESERVATION ARCHITECT OR PRESERVATION CONTRACTOR LOOKED AT THESE AND DEEMED THEM TO BE IRE IRREPLACEABLE OR IRREPARABLE RATHER? NOT THAT I KNOW OF. THANK YOU. AND THEY ARE ALL WOOD WINDOWS. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION OR HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. GO AHEAD. OUR DISCUSSION. I'M NUMBER THREE CA 25 0. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.