* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] COMMISSIONERS, WE [BRIEFINGS] HAVE A QUORUM. NOW, LET'S, UH, GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER DUBINSKI. PRESENT, DISTRICT TWO. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. PRESENT, DISTRICT THREE. COMMISSIONER HERBERT PRESENT, DISTRICT FOUR. COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, DISTRICT FIVE. CHAIR SHA DID PRESENT DISTRICT SIX. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. PRESENT? DISTRICT SEVEN. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, REAGAN. DISTRICT EIGHT. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN. DISTRICT NINE. COMMISSIONER SLEEPER. DISTRICT 10. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. DISTRICT 11. COMMISSIONER SIMS HERE. DISTRICT 12 VACANT. DISTRICT 13. COMMISSIONER HALL HERE. DISTRICT 14, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND PLACE 15 VICE CHAIR RUBEN, YOU HAVE QUORUM, SIR? WE WILL BE LATE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. TODAY IS THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2025 AT 9:11 AM AND WELCOME TO THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAIN COMMISSION. UH, COMMISSIONERS. UH, WE HAVE A BRIEFING THIS MORNING, AND WE'RE GONNA GET TO THAT. I THINK WE DO HAVE LOTS OF, UH, UM, CASES COMING OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA. IN FACT, I THINK ALL OF THEM, EXCEPT FOR TWO MAY HAVE ALREADY COME OFF. OKAY. WE LOST COMMISSIONER HERBERT. COMMISSIONER HERBERT, IF YOU CAN HEAR US, SIR, WE, WE CAN'T SEE YOU. OH, WE CAN SEE YOU THERE. AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'RE, WE'RE EXACTLY AT EIGHT. COMMISSIONER, UH, I APPRECIATE YOU LOGGING ON. THANK YOU, SIR. SO, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH OUR BRIEFING. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING COMMISSION. THANKS FOR, UH, THE TIME TO, UH, GO AHEAD AND BRIEF Y'ALL VERY QUICKLY. THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY CUT AND DRY, UH, PRESENTATION. UM, AS YOU KNOW, THIS WAS ALREADY ADOPTED BY COUNCIL IN MAY. SO, UM, I CUT OUT ALL THE FLUFF AND IT'S STILL GONNA TAKE ME ABOUT 27 TO 30 MINUTES TO RACE THROUGH ALL THE INFORMATION. AND I DO WANNA MENTION, I'M, I'M NOT COVERING EVERY SINGLE LITTLE UNDERLINE AND STRIKE THROUGH, UM, OF THE AMENDMENT. IT'S LIKE 171 PAGES, 435 SECTIONS THE LAST TIME I CHECKED. SO WE'RE HITTING THE HIGHLIGHTS, UM, IN THIS BRIEFING. UM, THIS IS JUST A SLIDE OVER THE CONTENT. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE OLD, UM, WAY WE DID PARKING, THE TIMELINE OF THE CODE AMENDMENT FOR THOSE THAT MAYBE WEREN'T AROUND AT THAT TIME. UM, AND, UH, THEN WE WILL DELVE INTO THE MAJORITY OF THE PRESENTATION, WHICH WE WILL KIND OF GO OVER THE PARKING RATIOS, THE EXCEPTIONS, UM, THE NEW DESIGN FEATURES THAT WERE ADDED, UH, THE BICYCLE PERKING UPDATES. AND THEN I HAVE ONE LAST MISCELLANEOUS SLIDE. UM, ALSO FOR YOUR REFERENCE, UH, I PUT A PDF OF THIS PRESENTATION ON OUR WEBSITE IN CASE YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT SEPARATELY, OR, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO REFER TO THAT LATER ON. UM, SO THIS IS MY ONE SLIDE ABOUT OUR FORMER PARKING REGULATIONS. UM, THEY WERE PRIMARILY BASED ON THE USE AND, UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT LAND USE, UM, WAS GOING ON, UH, THERE WAS A RATIO OF ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY HOWEVER MANY SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA FOR THE MOST PART. UM, THERE ARE SOME OTHER USES THAT DO IT PER UNIT OR PER BEDROOM OR, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT ALL IN ALL, UM, THEY WERE VERY HIGH, UM, TO SAY THE LEAST. UH, IT CREATED LOTS OF SURFACE PARKING AND, UM, UH, WHEN YOU WERE DOING OFFICE, YOU WERE DEDICATING ABOUT HALF OF YOUR LAND TO SURFACE PARKING. AND THEN IT ONLY GETS WORSE DEPENDING ON IF IT WAS A RETAIL OR RESTAURANT. UH, JUST TO GO OVER THE TIMELINE BRIEFLY, UH, IT STARTED ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO. UM, AND IT WAS AUTHORIZED BY CBC OCTOBER, 2019. THERE'S 25 ZAC MEETINGS BETWEEN, UH, IN ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF. UM, AND THEN, UH, OUR DEPARTMENT WENT THROUGH SOME RESTRUCTURING AND, UM, WE, I WAS PART OF THE CODE AMENDMENTS TEAM IN OCTOBER 22, I WANNA SAY. AND, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO GET IT RESTARTED IN AUGUST 23, UH, WHERE WE HAD SOME MORE PUBLIC LISTENING SESSIONS. AND, UM, COUNCIL WANTED A BRIEFING AND GAVE US SOME OPINIONS. UM, THEN WENT TO ZAC, UH, DECEMBER 20, UH, 23, AND THEN IT RETURNED JANUARY 30TH, UH, WITH A RECOMMENDATION AND SOME CHANGES. AND THEN IT WENT TO SEE, UH, THEN WE TOOK ANOTHER BREAK TO FINISH UP FORWARD DALLAS. UM, SO THAT'S WHY IT TOOK UNTIL NOVEMBER 24 TO RETURN, UH, AND START THE CPC [00:05:01] BRIEFINGS AND DISCUSSIONS. UM, AND, UH, THROUGHOUT ALL THOSE MEETINGS THAT YOU SEE THERE FOR CPC, THERE WERE LOTS OF MODIFICATIONS. SO, UM, AND THERE WAS MORE MODIFICATIONS AT, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE AND EVEN COUNCIL. SO, UM, WITH ALL THE CHANGES THAT HAPPENED, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA JUST TO COME BACK AND RECAP WHAT IT IS THAT ACTUALLY GOT ADOPTED. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. UM, I'M GONNA JUST LAUNCH RIGHT INTO A PARKING RATIO TABLE. UM, AND IT WOULD TAKE ME ALL DAY TO READ THROUGH ALL THESE THINGS. SO I'M JUST GONNA HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS AND TALK ABOUT THE USES THAT DID RETAIN SOME PARKING REQUIREMENTS. SO, UM, ALSO JUST TO KEEP YOU, UH, IN THE LOOP, THE RED ARE, I TRIED TO PICK OUT SOME WORDS THAT ARE IN RED TO KIND OF NOTE WHERE THINGS WERE DECREASED. UM, SO FOR OUR INSTITUTIONAL USES, WE HAD, UH, CHURCHES THAT WERE UNDER 20,000 SQUARE FEET. THERE'S NO PARKING REQUIRED. UM, BUT ABOVE 20,000 SQUARE FEET, THEY RETAINED THE PRIOR PARKING, PARKING REQUIREMENTS. UM, THEN YOU'LL SEE, UH, FOR, UH, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE HIGH SCHOOLS, UH, THE PARKING REQUIREMENT REMAINED AT NINE AND A HALF SPACES PER CLASSROOM. OTHERWISE THERE'S NONE. UM, SO WE HAVE ALL THESE CATEGORIES I'M NOT GONNA GO OVER. UM, AND THEN FOR OUR RESIDENTIAL USES, WE JUST HAD THREE USES THAT HAD SOME PARKING REQUIREMENTS, UM, ATTACHED TO THEM, UH, FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEX, IF YOU COULD THINK OF THOSE TO BE PRETTY SIMILAR. UM, IN THE RD AND TH AND RTN DISTRICTS, UM, WE FOUND OUT IT POINTS BACK TO 50. YOU WANNA A, UM, THERE IS ONE SPACE REQUIRED PER UNIT, OTHERWISE THERE'S NO PARKING REQUIRED REQUIRED. UM, THEN FOR MULTIFAMILY, THAT GOT A LOT OF CONVERSATION AT BOTH CB, C AND BEYOND. UM, AND THERE'S THREE TIERS FOR THE BASE REQUIRED PARKING. UM, SO FOR A MULTIFAMILY, UH, WITH 20 OR LESS UNITS, THERE'S NO PARKING REQUIRED FOR THE TIER THAT HAS 21 TO 199 UNITS. IT'S A HALF PARKING SPACE PER DWELLING UNIT, OVER 200, WELL, INCLUDING AND ABOVE 200 UNITS. IT'S ONE SPACE PER DWELLING UNIT. UM, FOR THE GUEST PARKING, UM, YOU MIGHT NOTICE THAT THE TIER, THERE ARE TIERS, BUT THEY SPLIT SOMEWHERE ELSE, SO WE'LL JUST HAVE TO MANAGE THAT. UM, AND 20 TO 99 UNITS, WE HAVE 10% OF THE REQUIRED PARKING MUST BE GUEST PARKING, UM, EQUAL TO AND ABOVE A HUNDRED UNITS. IT'S 15% OF THE REQUIRED PARKING HAS TO BE GUEST PARKING. UM, THE GUEST PARKING HAS TO BE MARKED, UM, AND NO PARKING IS REQUIRED FOR THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS PROJECTS. UM, BUT IF THEY DO PROVIDE PARKING, AT LEAST 15% OF THE PROVIDED PARKING, THAT'S THE CHANGE, UH, MUST BE AVAILABLE FOR GUEST PARKING. OKAY. AND MOVING ALONG TO RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE. UM, GENERALLY IT'S NO PARKING REQUIRED. HOWEVER, UM, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENTS, AND I THINK IT'S IN TWO SLIDES FROM NOW, UM, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE MANUFACTURING, UM, HAD A CHANGE WHERE THE, UH, IT, THE PARKING WAS REQUIRED AT ONE SPACE PER 200 SQUARE FEET OF AREA USED FOR RETAIL SALES AND SEATING. UM, AND NO PARKING IS REQUIRED FOR A BUILDING THAT IS 2,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS. UM, COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE OR OUTSIDE WAS REDUCED FROM ONE PER 100 SQUARE FEET, UM, TO ONE PER 200 SQUARE FEET. UM, OTHERWISE THERE'S NONE FOR ALL THESE OTHER CATEGORIES ON THE SCREEN. UM, RESTAURANTS WITH AND WITHOUT DRIVE-IN, UH, OR DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICE, UM, HAS NO, OH MY, A LITTLE WINDOW'S IN THE WRONG SPOT. UM, NO PARKING IS REQUIRED FOR THE FIRST 2,500 SQUARE FEET. UM, AND ABOVE THAT IT WOULD BE ONE SPACE PER 200 SQUARE FEET, A FLOOR AREA. UM, AND OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NONE FOR THE REST OF THESE USES. AND WE ARE GOING TO, OH, NOW MOVE ON TO OUR COMMERCIAL AND BUSINESS SERVICE USES. AND THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE INDUSTRIAL USES. BOTH OF THESE CATEGORIES HAD A VERY SIMILAR, UM, MODIFICATION TO 'EM. UH, THEY, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS WERE RE REDUCED GENERALLY TO ONE PER 500, BUT THAT WOULD ONLY APPLY IF THE USE WAS CONTIGUOUS TO A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT, UH, WITH [00:10:01] A SINGLE FAMILY OR HANDICAPPED GROUP DWELLING UNIT. IT USE, UM, UH, CONTIGUOUS TO IT. SO IT HAS TO BE OUR DISTRICT WITH THE USE. UM, AND OTHERWISE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS DO NOT APPLY. SO THERE ARE NO PARKING IF IT'S NOT CONTIGUOUS. UM, THE ONE, UH, KIND OF ODD DUCKED, THIS IS THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE MANUFACTURING BECAUSE THERE IS A MOTION ON IT. UH, THE PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR THAT IS ONE SPACE FOR 200 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL SALES AND SEATING. AND THAT'S REGARDLESS IF YOU'RE CONTIGUOUS, IS SINGLE FAMILY. SO IT COULD BE SURROUNDED BY INDUSTRIAL USES AND STILL REQUIRE ONE SPACE PER 200 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL SALES AND SEATING. UM, THE REST OF THE INDUSTRIAL USES HAD PARKING REQUIREMENTS GENERALLY AT ONE PER 500 OR LESS. SO A LOT OF THOSE WEREN'T CHANGED. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS ONLY IF YOU'RE CONTIGUOUS TO SINGLE FAMILY, UM, COUNCIL AND EDC AND I THINK I THINK CBC AS WELL. UM, THERE WAS ALSO A LOT OF EXCEPTIONS THAT WERE GRANTED, UM, THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. UM, THE FIRST EXCEPTION ON THE SLIDE, UH, IS IN THE MD ONE OVERLAY. UM, THEY, UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, UH, MADE A MOTION TO, UH, HAVE THE FORMER PARKING REQUIREMENTS STILL APPLY IN THE MD ONE OVERLAY. AND WE WERE GIVEN A LIST OF USES THAT THAT WOULD APPLY TO, UM, I THINK THIS NEXT SLIDE. YES. SO, UH, THIS IS A LITTLE MAP OF THOSE MD ONE AREAS. THERE'S THREE OF 'EM IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. SO SINCE THE, THOSE USES ARE RETAINING THEIR PRE PARKING REFORM OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENT, I'M NOT GONNA SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME GOING OVER THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A MUCH LONGER PRESENTATION. UM, AND THEN OTHERWISE, OUTSIDE OF THE MD ONE OVERLAY, UM, NO PARKING IS REQUIRED FOR ANY USE THAT'S, UH, THAT MEETS ANY OF THESE THREE CATEGORIES. SO WITHIN A HALF MILE OF LIGHT RAIL STREETCAR IN THE CENTRAL AREA DISTRICT OR HAS SOME HISTORIC DESIGNATION ANYWHERE FROM LOCAL TO STATE, SORRY, FEDERAL. UM, AND JUST TO, IN CASE YOU HAD THIS QUESTION, ALL THE USES THAT ARE IN 51 AND IN THE FORM DISTRICTS, THEY, UM, THEY MIRROR OR THEY PARALLEL WHAT, WHAT I'M BRIEFING FOR 51 A. OKAY, SO THIS IS A MAP TO SHOW YOU WHERE THE HALF MILE RADIUSS OF LIGHT RAIL AND STREET CAR STATIONS, UH, THE COLORS INDICATE, UM, THE UNDERLYING ZONING. UM, NOTE THAT THE TEAL OR CYAN IS, ARE ALL THE PDS. SO I'LL HAVE A PD SLIDE COMING UP. UM, THIS IS THE HISTORIC, UM, AREAS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. THEY'RE KIND OF A, A PATCHWORK ACROSS THE CITY. UM, THERE WAS A CHANGE TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE PARKING REDUCTION, UM, AND IT INCREASED TO A MAXIMUM OF 50%, UM, ELIGIBILITY. UM, THEY DO HAVE TO PROVE TO THE DIRECTOR THAT IT WARRANTS IT, SORRY, THAT IT DOES NOT WARRANT THE NUMBER OF OFF STREET PARKING SPACES REQUIRED, AND IT WOULD NOT CREATE A TRAFFIC HAZARD OR INCREASE TRAFFIC CONGESTION. THEY CAN ALSO, UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THIS IS A CHANGE, BUT IT'S UNDERLINED. UM, APPLICANTS CAN SEEK EITHER, UH, A SPECIAL EXCEPTION OR THIS ADMINISTRATIVE PARKING REDUCTION, BUT ONLY ONE WILL APPLY. THEY CANNOT COMBINE THEM. UM, AND JUST TO NOTE, IT'S THIS ADMINISTRATIVE PARKING REDUCTION IS STILL NOT AVAILABLE IN PDS WITH SPECIFIC RATIOS UNLESS THE PD SAYS THAT IT CAN USE IT. THAT'S WHAT THIS SECTION SAID BEFORE, AND IT WILL STILL SAY, SO HERE'S THE SLIDE, UM, I MADE TO JUST SORT OF GO OVER HOW THIS APPLIES IN PDS, BECAUSE THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT CAME UP REGULARLY. AND, UM, YOU CAN APPLY THIS JUST AS GENERAL, UH, KNOWLEDGE ON HOW READING PDS AND THE CODE WORKS TOGETHER. SO, UH, THE FIRST EXAMPLE IS, UM, TAKEN OUTTA PD 1 93. UM, AS YOU COULD SEE HERE, IT HAS THE, UH, THE USE OFFICE LISTED AND DEFINED. UM, IT ALSO LISTS WHAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENT IS FOR AN OFFICE. AND SO SINCE PD 1 93 SPECIFIES A PARKING RATIO FOR THIS USE, AND GENERALLY ALL THE USES IN THAT PD, UM, THE REDUCED RATIOS DO NOT APPLY. UM, WE HAVE PROBABLY NOT IN LAND AREA, BUT IN FREQUENCY WE HAVE A LOT MORE PDS THAT ARE LIKE THIS PD 1005, UM, EXAMPLE WHERE IT JUST SAYS, CONSULT THE USE REGULATIONS OF 51 A, YADA YADA. [00:15:01] AND SO SINCE IT DOES NOT LIST SPECIFIC RATIOS FOR ANY LAND USE, IT DOES GO BACK TO THE REDUCED RATIOS THAT ARE IN 51 A. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A HYBRID SITUATION HERE, UM, WITH PD 6 21. UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT HAS SOME LAND USES LISTED WITH, UH, MODIFIED PARKING RATIOS. BUT, UH, WE HAVE SOME USES THAT ARE NOT LISTED. SO COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE IS NOT LISTED. SO IT WOULD, UH, BE ABLE TO USE THE REDUCED RATIOS IN THE CODE FOR THE ONES THAT ARE NOT SPECIFIED. BUT FOR THE ONES THAT ARE SPECIFIED, IT'S WHATEVER THE PD SAYS. OKAY. I HOPE THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. SO NOW I AM SHIFTING FROM RATIOS TO, UM, THE PARKING DESIGN CHANGES THAT WERE ADOPTED. UM, KIND OF A GENERAL STATEMENT WAS ADDED. IT SAYS, PARKING LOTS AND STRUCTURES MUST BE DESIGNED TO PRIORITIZE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, CONVENIENCE, AND CONNECTION TO THE EXISTING PUBLIC PEDESTRIAN NETWORK AND PEDESTRIAN GENERATORS INCLUDING TRANSIT STOPS AND NEARBY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND NEIGHBORHOODS. SO IT'S KIND OF A GENERAL STATEMENT TO ESTABLISH WHAT THE PURPOSE IS. UM, AND, UH, ONE OF THOSE CHANGES IS, UH, PROBABLY THE PRIMARY CHANGE IS THE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS IN SERVICE PARKING LOTS. SO WHEN A PARKING LOT HAS 50 OR MORE PARKING SPACES, IT HAS TO PROVIDE AT LEAST ONE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY THAT CONNECTS THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING TO THE NEAREST PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AND WHEN CROSSING A DRIVE AISLE, THE PATHWAY MUST BE A CONTRASTING COLOR MATERIAL TEXTURE, SORRY, OR TEXTURE, AND RAISE TO THE LEVEL OF THE SIDEWALK. SO THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT IS NOT IN DALLAS, BUT IT DOES SHOW THE CONCEPT THAT THE CODE IS TRYING TO DESCRIBE. UM, OKAY. SO, UH, WE ALSO, A TREE PROTECTION, UH, PROVISION WAS ADDED AND, UH, IT REQUIRES THAT ALL TREES WITHIN FOUR FEET OF A PARKING SPACE OR DRY VILE HAVE TO BE PROTECTED WITH CURBS WHEEL STOPS OR OTHER PERMANENT BARRIERS. UM, WATER SHALL NOT DRAIN, UM, ONTO ACROSS THE SURFACE OF A PUBLIC SIDEWALK. UH, WE WERE HAVING SOME ISSUES AROUND THE CITY, UM, WITH THIS HAPPENING. AND IT CREATES MUD, UM, IT GETS SLIPPERY. IT MAKES IT HARD FOR PEOPLE TO WALK, AND IT ALSO, UH, ERODES THE SIDEWALK. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO NOT WANT TO HAPPEN. UM, AS WITH ALL GOOD THINGS, WHEN YOU HAVE NEW THINGS IMPOSED, YOU SHOULD ALSO THINK ABOUT WHAT ARE THE OUTLIERS THAT MIGHT NEED SOME EXCEPTIONS OR WHATEVER. SO, UM, A WAIVER, UH, WAS ADDED TO THE CODE AND IT SAID THE DIRECTOR MAY GRANT AN ADMINISTRATIVE WAIVER TO DEVIATE FROM THE THREE THINGS THAT I JUST LISTED. THE, UM, PEDESTRIAN PASS, THE TREE PROTECTION AND THE SIDEWALK. UM, IF IT CANNOT BE MET DUE TO THE PRESENCE OF STREET EASEMENTS, INTERFERENCE WITH UTILITIES, OR IF IT WOULD CREATE INCREASE IN DANGER TO PEDESTRIAN CYCLISTS OR MOTORISTS RESULTING FROM STRICT ADHERENCE TO THE REGULATIONS. SO IF THEY CANNOT FIND ANY, UM, ELIGIBILITY THROUGH THERE, BUT THEY STILL WANNA SEEK RELIEF, UM, THEY ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND THEY CAN GRANT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION. UM, AND THEY HAVE TO PROVE THAT STRICT COMPLIANCE IS IMPRACTICAL DUE TO SITE CONSTRAINTS THAT WOULD RESULT IN A SUBSTANTIAL HARDSHIP, PROVIDED THAT THE HARDSHIP IS NOT SELF-CREATED AND IS NOT ONLY FINANCIAL. UM, AND THE CODE ALSO SAYS THAT IN DETERMINING WHETHER TO GRANT THE DEVIATION TO THESE THINGS, UH, THE DIRECTOR OR BOARD SHALL CONSIDER WHETHER THE RESULTING DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PURPOSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO MOVING RIGHT ALONG, UH, TO THE NEXT SECTION HAS A LOT OF COLOR. SORRY, IT'S KIND OF BUSY. UM, BUT THE LONG STORY SHORT IS THAT WE HAD A PROVISION ALREADY FOR COMMERCIAL PARKING LOTS, UM, THAT SAID WHEEL BARRIERS WERE REQUIRED, UM, ADJACENT TO PROPERTY LINES, BUT, UH, THAT WAS EXPANDED TO, UM, ALL USES EXCEPT FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND HANDICAP GROUP DWELLING UNIT USE AND DUPLEX USES, UM, THAT WHENEVER OFF STREET PARKING OR MANEUVERING AREAS ARE ABUTTING A SIDEWALK, THIS NEW PEDESTRIAN PATH OR AN ADJOINING PROPERTY REQUIRED LANDSCAPING, UM, OR REQUIRED SCREENING, THEY DO HAVE TO INSTALL WHEEL GUARDS OR OTHER BARRIERS SO THAT CARDS DO NOT OVERHANG, UM, INTO THOSE ELEMENTS. UM, SO THE PICTURE ON THE TOP RIGHT IS THE SITUATION WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID. THE PATHWAY OR THE LANDSCAPING OR WHATNOT, UM, HAS SOME VEHICLES HANGING INTO IT. SO THESE WHEEL GUARDS SHOWN IN THE, ON THE BOTTOM IS, UH, ONE [00:20:01] OPTION THEY CAN DO TO COMPLY. UM, ANOTHER CHANGE THAT IS SMALL BUT MIGHTY, UM, IS THAT THE, UM, YOU CAN CALL IT, IT'S NOT REALLY A SETBACK. WE SOMETIMES CALL IT A SETBACK, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY A SETBACK. UM, SO I'M TRYING TO CHANGE THE TERM TO LIKE A 20 FOOT LONG DRIVEWAY. UM, USED TO BE REQUIRED, UH, ADJACENT TO A STREET OR AN ALLEY. UM, SO FROM THE GARAGE DOOR TO THE STREET OR ALLEY, YOU, YOU NEEDED 20 FEET AND THAT PURPOSE WAS TO PARK A CAR BEHIND THE GARAGE OR HAVE SPACE SO THAT A CAR CAN'T PARK BEHIND THE DRIVEWAY, SORRY, BEHIND THE GARAGE DOOR AND NOT BLOCK THE SIDEWALK. SO SINCE ALLEYS, THERE'S NO SIDEWALK IN ALLEYS. WE, AND WE HAVE AUTOMATIC GARAGE DOORS FOR THE MOST PART THESE DAYS, UM, THAT WAS REMOVED. SO IT, SO WE'RE HOPING TO SEE MORE REAR ENTRY, UM, OPTIONS, UM, FROM DEV, NEW DEVELOPMENT. UM, WE'RE HOPING TO SEE LESS PERVIOUS IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. UM, AND SO ANYWAY, BUT I DID WANNA POINT OUT THAT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE. YOU CAN, UH, PUT THAT GARAGE DOOR UP AGAINST THE ALLEY. UM, OKAY, SO THERE WERE SOME BICYCLE PARKING CHANGES, AND I'LL TRY TO GO OVER THESE BRIEFLY. UM, THE REQUIREMENT INCREASED FROM ONE PER 25, UH, ONE BICYCLE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY 25, UH, PARKING SPACES TO ONE PER 20. UM, AND IT ALSO CHANGED FROM THE REQUIRED PARKING TO THE PROVIDED PARKING, SINCE MANY OF OUR USES WON'T REQUIRE PARKING ANYMORE. UM, IT ALSO ESTABLISHED A MAXIMUM DISTANCE THAT THE BICYCLE PARKING HAS TO BE, UH, LOCATED WITHIN THE PRIMATE ENTRANCE AT 150 FEET. UM, IT HAS TO BE AN ACCESSIBLE LOCATION. WE CHANGED THE TERMS FROM CLASS ONE AND CLASS TWO TO SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM, UM, BIKE PARKING. UM, IN HERE IS, UH, SOME GRAPHICS THAT WERE ADDED TO THE CODE. UM, AND IT, YOU KNOW, THE CODE ALSO, UH, DESCRIBES THESE THINGS AS WELL. UM, PROBABLY ONE OF THE, UH, OTHER BIGGER CHANGES WAS THAT, UM, THESE U LOCKING THESE, WHAT IS IT CALLED, UM, A BICYCLE RACK THAT, UH, IS HOLD ON MY, THE GLARE, UH, SUPPORTED IN TWO LOCATIONS IS, IS ALLOWED, BUT THE GRID AND WAVE STYLE IS NOT ALLOWED, UM, BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T FUNCTION THE RIGHT WAY. AND IT'S NOT, UH, BEST PRACTICE TO HAVE THOSE, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE 'EM ALL OVER THE CITY. SO, UM, I'M NOT GONNA REALLY READ THESE 'CAUSE IT'LL TAKE A LONG TIME, BUT, UH, THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS ABOUT LOADING, UH, REMOTE PARKING, UH, COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT DEFINITIONS AND, UM, UH, SOME VEHICLE STUFF AND A DA, UH, ROUTES. SO THAT IS THE PRESENTATION. AND, UH, OKAY, I DID PRETTY MUCH ON TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PERFECT TIME. UH, QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. UH, YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. WHERE ARE THE OTHER TWO LOCATIONS OF MD? ONE OVERLAY? THAT WOULD BE, THERE'S ONE UP OFF OF, UH, THE, THE, THE FIRST ONE IS THE LOWEST PART, THE SECOND PART IS THE MIDDLE PART. YOU KNOW, WHERE BLUE GOOSE, THEY'RE ALL ON GREENVILLE? YES, THEY'RE ALL ON GREENVILLE. OKAY. YEAH. NEXT QUESTION. UM, OTHER THAN PD 1 93, WHAT OTHER PDS HAVE PARKING RATIOS A A LOT, BUT WE DID NOT, WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF 'EM. AND, AND IT'LL PROBABLY BE A HYBRID SITUATIONS FOR THOSE THAT DO HAVE RATIOS. I THINK THINK PD 1 93 IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WE HAVE THAT IS BASICALLY, THEY WROTE THEIR OWN DEVELOPMENT CODE AND CODIFIED IT IN A PD. SO THAT'S A VERY UNIQUE PD THAT LISTS OUT ALL THE USES AND ALL THE PARKING RATIOS FOR EVERY USE. DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A LIST SOMEWHERE? NO. OKAY. I WOULD SAY THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. WHEN I DID, WHEN WE STARTED WITH ZAG, LIKE SIX YEARS AGO, I DID A PRESENTATION ON ALL THE SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT PDS, AND THERE IS A REPORT AND I CAN SEND IT TO YOU, IT'S ONLINE, AND I LOOKED AT THE BIGGER PDS, HOW MANY HAVE RATIOS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO I CAN SEND THAT TO YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . UM, LAST QUESTION. UM, WE GOT RID OF 20 FEET ABUTTING THE ALLEY. DOES THAT COUNT FOR DISTRICTS THAT SPECIFICALLY REQUIRE 20 FEET? SO IF A PD OR A CONSERVATION DISTRICT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAS A SPECIFICALLY MODIFIED, UH, PROVISION THAT CONFLICTS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT THE, IT'S WHATEVER THE SPECIFICALLY MODIFIED PROVISION SAYS. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? [00:25:03] UH, YES. COMMISSIONER WHEELER. GOOD MORNING. MORNING. UM, SO IN SUBSTANCE, IF PD FIVE 90 FIVES WAS REFERRED, DOES REFER TO 51 A AND SO, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE A BUILDING IS, IS, UM, ONE TO BE A RESTAURANT AND IT'S ABOUT 3,500 SQUARE FEET. THE FIRST 2,500 SQUARE FEET, UM, WILL NOT REQUIRE PARKING. I, I THINK THAT'S CORRECT, YES. AND I THINK THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF TRANSIT AROUND PD 5 95. YES. SO THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS PROBABLY GONNA BE THE F IT, IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN TH A HALF A MILE FROM, UH, A-A-T-O-D. SO THIS IS GONNA BE ON THE BOTTOM, JOHN END. UM, UM, IT'S MORE THAN A HALF, I WANNA SAY IT'S MORE THAN A HALF A MILE FROM, UM, FROM THE MARTIN LUTHER KING STATION. UM, SO IT WOULD, UH, SO ANYTHING THAT'S, SAY, THAT'S FAR, SAY IT FROM BOTTOM, JOHN BOTTOM OVER HALF MOUTH. THE FIRST 2,500 SQUARE FEET IS NOT WHAT WE START COUNTING PARKING. BUT THE SECOND 20, THE SECOND WAS EVER OVER, WE CALCULATED AT ONE TO 200. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? UM, REAL QUICK CHAIR. YES, SIR, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES. SO I, I KNOW THERE WAS THE PROVISION OF REMOVING, UM, THE SPACE BETWEEN ALLIE AND DRIVEWAY. UM, IS THAT ALSO IF THE PD DOESN'T CALL FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR, UM, WILL WE HAVE ANOTHER, WE JUST HAVE TO EVALUATE EACH TIME SOMETHING IS COMING. AND I'M ASKING BECAUSE WE HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY, UM, DWELLING KIND OF, UM, TOWN HOME COMMUNITY COMING AND WHERE GARAGES AND ALLEYS IS AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW. SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW, UM, IF THIS CHANGES THINGS OR WOULD THE PD STAND? UM, YES, YOU ARE RIGHT. UH, IF THE PD HAS A SPECIFIC, UM, PROVISION THAT DISCUSSES THE, UM, HOW FAR A GARAGE SPACE, AN ENCLOSED PARKING SPACE IS, WHAT 51 A CALLS IT, UM, TO THE ALLEY, UM, A PD CAN MODIFY THOSE AND IF IT MENTIONS IT, IT'S WHATEVER THE PD SAYS. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. MAY, UH, COMMISSIONERS, LET'S GET INTO OUR AGENDA. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY UPDATES ON, UH, CASE NUMBER THREE, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN? I DO BELIEVE WE, MR. CHAIR, I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE AN UPDATE. MS. BLUE COULD JUST QUICKLY BRIEF US ON THE CHANGES SINCE LASTLY WERE TOGETHER. THANK YOU, SIR. MY APOLOGIES. WE'LL, WE'LL GO BACK TO CASE NUMBER TWO HERE. I SKIPPED IT. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. LET ME PULL THAT UP RIGHT QUICK. OKAY. I'LL GO THROUGH. AND SO THE CHANGES FOR D 2 2 3 DASH 0 0 7, UM, THE APPLICANT VOLUNTEERED AND SUBMITTED A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, BASICALLY SHOWING THE STREET THAT WAS SHOWN PREVIOUSLY BETWEEN TRACK A AND THE OPEN SPACE, THEY DECIDED TO GO IN AND REMOVE THAT STREET. UM, SO NOW THEY'RE SHOWING THE OPEN SPACE, UM, GREEN SPACE WHERE THAT, UH, HARDSCAPE WAS SHOWN. AND HERE'S THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER SIMS. UH, JUST REAL QUICK, MS. BLUE, HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY LETTERS IN OPPOSITION TO THE REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN? NO, SIR. I DID NOT. NO. WOULD IT SURPRISE YOU TO KNOW THAT I ACTUALLY RECEIVED EMAILS IN SUPPORT OF THIS FROM THE PE, THE PREVIOUS OPPONENTS? THAT'S WONDERFUL. THAT'S MY ONLY, MY ONLY QUESTION, MR. . THANK YOU. AND I DO WANNA SAY ON THE RECORDS FOR MY RECOMMENDATION, BOTH PLANS COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE [00:30:01] AND THE LANGUAGE. SO, UM, I REVIEWED THIS ONE, AND SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE CLARIFICATION. UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'LL GO BACK TO NUMBER, UH, TWO. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. GIMME ONE SECOND. I'M TRYING TO PULL UP THE PRESENTATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHTY. MZ 25 DASH 27. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT SLASH LANDSCAPE PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 6, 9 6, APPROXIMATELY 28.78 ACRES. THIS PROPERTY IS BOUNDED BY RICKOVER DRIVE, WELCH ROAD, RICH SIDE DRIVE, AND CRESTLINE AVENUE ON DISTRICT 13. THIS IS THE AERIAL AND ZONING MAP SLASH LAND USE MAP. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY EXCEPT FOR THE NORTH OF THE SIDE BY THE FOOTBALL FIELD. THERE'S A CHURCH. SO SOME BACKGROUND FOR PD 6 96. IT WAS ESTABLISHED BY CITY COUNCIL ON SEPTEMBER 8TH, 2004, ON PROPERTY PREVIOUSLY. SO R DASH 16 A ON APRIL 27TH, 2016, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AN AMENDED DEVELOPMENT SLASH LANDSCAPE PLAN AND AMENDED CONDITIONS TO YARD LOT AND SPACE REGULATIONS. ON MAY 3RD, 2018. CITY PLAN COMMISSION APPROVED A MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT SLASH LANDSCAPE PLAN TO CONSTRUCT A GYMNASIUM, FINE ARTS WING AND COVERED WALKWAY. AND THEY CAME BACK ON APRIL 20TH, 2022, ANOTHER MINOR AMENDMENT, UH, TO ADD A BUILDINGS, UH, DUGOUTS BLEACHERS THAT WAS ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED. RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT REQUEST IS TO ADD ATHLETIC FIELD . SO A BIT MORE IN DETAIL FOR THIS REQUEST. THEY ARE ADDING FOUR ATHLETIC FIELD LININGS ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD. UM, I ALSO FEEL LIKE IT WAS GOOD TO KNOW THAT, UH, ON 2022, THEY CAME IN FOR TWO SMALL ONE STORY BUILDINGS, SOME BLEACHERS, DUGOUTS WEST OF WEST OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, AND SOME TREES BETWEEN THE FOOTBALL FIELD AND THE SURFACE PARKING, UH, LOT TO THE SOUTH. UH, IN 2018, THAT'S WHEN THEY, IN THE, UH, ADDING THEIR 40,600 SQUARE FEET UP, UH, TO THE NORTH OF THE EXISTING BUILDING AND ADDED TREES BETWEEN [00:35:01] THE BASEBALL FIELD AND FOOTBALL FIELD. THIS IS SHOWING THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN 2016. NOW GOING BACK TO 20 EXISTING, DEVELOP, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 2018, THAT'S WHEN THEY ADDED THE GYMNASIUM AND FINE ARTS WING BACK TO 2022. THAT'S WHERE THEY ADDED THE ONE STORY BUILDINGS, THE DUGOUT BY THE RED SIDE DRIVE, AND SOME BY THE OTHER COURT PLAYING COURT. NOW, PROPOSED PLAN FOR THIS YEAR, IT'S ADDING THE ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING BY THE FOOTBALL FIELD STAFF. RECOMMENDATIONS, APPROVAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER HALL? GOOD MORNING, MS. SEGOVIA. UM, THIS AMENDMENT IS, IS REALLY ABOUT, UH, UM, IT'S A, WELL, IT'S A MINISTERIAL THING, RIGHT? WE'RE JUST HERE TO VOTE, YES OR NO, UH, UH, WHETHER THIS IS A MINOR AMENDMENT OR NOT. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. UM, AND THE KEY QUESTION ON THIS, UH, IS THAT, DOES THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT COMPLY WITH THE STANDARDS ESTABLISHED FOR MINOR AMENDMENTS? AND DOES IT FUNDAMENTALLY ALTER THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE SCHOOL WITH THE COMMUNITY? AND I'M ASSUMING WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, THE ANSWER IS, UH, NO, IT DOES NOT ALTER THAT FUNDAMENTAL RELATIONSHIP, UH, BETWEEN THE, THE SCHOOL AND THE COMMUNITY. DO I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. UH, FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO EVEN DO APPROVAL, THEY WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE MINOR AMENDMENT CRITERIA. AND ALONGSIDE WITH THAT KIND OF A SIDE NOTE, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, CLEAR UP THAT THE APPLICANT'S NAME ON THE CASE REPORT AND ON THE AGENDA IS INCORRECT. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DALLAS INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALSO, ON YOUR MAP THAT YOU SHOWED, YOU, YOU SHOWED, YOU SHOWED THE SCHOOL THE STAR WAS DOWN IN DISTRICT FOUR, NOT UP IN DISTRICT, BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT. , UH, OKAY. I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY, ANY FURTHER QUESTION, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? I, I WILL POINT OUT TO THE COMMISSION THAT THERE'S BEEN A SMALL AMOUNT OF OPPOSITION TO THIS. UH, BUT IN GENERAL, THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THIS ATHLETIC SCHOOL LIGHTING. UH, UH, SO THAT'S THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING I'LL ADD. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, JUST ONE QUESTION ON THE ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTS. I KNOW MANY TIMES WE HAVE, UM, ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT THE HEIGHT, UM, HOURS OF OPERATION TO MITIGATE POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. UM, WITH THESE ADDITIONS, COULD YOU, UM, HOW DO THEY COMPLY WITH THE EXISTING PD? WERE THERE ANY PROVISIONS REGARDING HEIGHT OR OTHER, UM, CONSIDERATIONS THAT THIS BODY SHOULD TAKE INTO EFFECT, INTO ACCOUNT? EXCUSE ME. SO THERE IS A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 75 FEET. SO OVERALL THE WHOLE ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING WOULD HAVE TO MEET THAT 75 FEET. I KNOW THAT USUALLY THERE IS THAT BIG CONCRETE BUILDING, UM, FOUNDATION THAT IT HAS TO HAVE UNDERNEATH, WHICH WOULD INCREASE TECHNICALLY THE HEIGHT. BUT OVERALL, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO REMAIN BELOW 75. SO DO, DO YOU, ARE YOU AWARE WHAT THE HEIGHT PROPOSED IS? UH, IT'S GONNA BE BELOW 75 FEET. WELL, 75 FEET IS FOR STRUCTURE. AND I THINK TYPICALLY LIGHT STANDARDS ARE REVIEWED DIFFERENTLY. SO ARE WE AWARE WHAT THE ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTS ARE PROPOSED TO BE? WELL STRUCTURES AND WITH THIS ATHLETIC FIELD LINE WILL BE CONSIDERED A PART OF A STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT IS MORE THAN SIX INCHES OFF GROUND. I'LL YIELD THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMM, COMMISSIONER, CARPENTER? I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, THE MINOR AMENDMENT PROCESS BECAUSE IT SAYS HERE IN 2022, A MINOR AMENDMENT WAS ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED TO ADD BUILDINGS, DUGOUTS AND BLEACHERS. OKAY. BUT NOW IT'S COMING. APPARENTLY THE LIGHTS CANNOT BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED AND ARE COMING THROUGH AS A MINOR AMENDMENT. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THE DIVIDING LINE IS BETWEEN WHAT CAN BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED AND WHAT COMES THROUGH AS A MINOR? UH, YES. THERE ARE CERTAIN CRITERIA THAT IT HAS TO MEET TO BECOME A DIRECTOR'S PROCEDURE. UM, I CAN [00:40:01] LIST THOSE OFF IF YOU WOULD LIKE HERE ONE SECOND. I CAN WAIT UNTIL THIS AFTERNOON IF IT'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. OKAY, SURE. YEAH, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. YES. THE, THE MAIN ISSUE FOR, UM, WHETHER IT CAN BE DONE AS A DIRECTOR PROCEDURE HAS TO DO WITH RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY. AND THAT'S MEASURED FROM THE LOCATION ON THE SITE THAT THE WORK IS BEING DONE. OKAY. AND SO IF IT'S FAR ENOUGH INTO THE SITE THAT IT IS NOT CONSIDERED TO BE ADJACENT OR WITHIN THAT DISTANCE, THEN IT CAN BE DONE AS A DIRECTOR'S PROCEDURE. OKAY. I KNOW WE, WE, WE SEEM TO BOG DOWN FREQUENTLY ON MINOR AMENDMENTS THAT INVOLVE ATHLETIC FIELD CHANGES. 'CAUSE THE FRUSTRATION IS WITH, WITH A MI, JUST TO CLARIFY, WITH A MINOR, WITH APPROVING A MINOR AMENDMENT, WE CAN'T PROPOSE ANY CHANGES TO, UH, PD REGULARLY. WE EITHER IT IS MINOR OR IT ISN'T. AND IT, THE OPPOSITION THAT'S COMES FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD SEEMS TO FEEL THAT THE ADDITION OF THESE LIGHTS COULD INCREASE THE USAGE OF THESE FIELDS THAT, YOU KNOW, TO OUTSIDE PARTIES AND TO GREATLY INCREASE THE UTILIZATION AND THEREFORE ALTER THE FUNDAMENTAL RELATIONSHIP. SO, UM, IT IS CORRECT THAT THE ONLY QUESTION BEFORE THE BODY TODAY IS WHETHER YOU AGREE THAT THIS, UM, QUALIFIES TO BE CONSIDERED UNDER THE MINOR AMENDMENT, UH, PROCEDURE. UM, AND IT IS ALSO CORRECT THAT REALLY THE MERITS OF THE PLAN ITSELF MM-HMM . UM, ARE NOT IN QUESTION BECAUSE IT, IT, WELL, I MEAN, I GUESS YOU COULD DISAGREE THAT IT COMPLIES WITH THE ORDINANCE, BUT WELL, IT'S A SUBJECTIVE ASSESSMENT BY STAFF AND BY US AS TO WHETHER THE PROPOSED CHANGES ALTER THE FUNDAMENTAL RELATIONSHIP. THAT IS THE ONE BIT OF CRITERIA OF THE CRITERIA THAT IS SOMEWHAT SUBJECTIVE. RIGHT. AND SO, YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. I WOULD AGREE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, COMMISSIONERS. LET'S GO TO OUR, UH, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. AND I BELIEVE, UH, THAT THEY WILL ALL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY AT THIS POINT FOR MAY BE THE ONLY CASE LEFT. SO LET'S, WE CAN GO THROUGH, NUMBER FIVE WILL COME OFF CONSENT. IS THAT CORRECT? COMMISSIONER HARA? YEP. UH, NUMBER SIX. UH, NUMBER, UH, SEVEN WILL COME OFF CONSENT. NUMBER EIGHT, NO ACTION WILL BE TAKEN. NUMBER NINE WILL COME OFF AND I DON'T KNOW, SHOULD WE LEAVE 10? OKAY. WE'LL TAKE 10 OFF CONSENT AS WELL. UM, SO ALL CASES WILL BE HEARD AND DISPOSED OF INDIVIDUALLY. UH, WE'LL BE, BEGIN WITH NUMBER FOUR. UH, DO WE NEED IT BRIEF COMMISSIONERS? DO, DO WE NEED NUMBER FOUR? BRIEFED ONLINE? SHE WAS ONLINE. OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. JUST, JUST LEAVING THAT UP TO YOUR OWN. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, WE, WE CAN, OKAY. THERE IS THAT COMMISSIONER WHEELER. THAT'S COMMISSIONER WHEELER. THAT'S COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER. OKAY. WE CAN COME BACK TO, TO NUMBER FOUR IF WE NEED ANYBODY ON THE BODY LIKE A BRIEF. OKAY. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY. LET'S GO TO NORMAL. UH, WE HAVE A QUESTION ON FOUR. SO JUST A, A QUICK QUESTION WITHOUT, WITHOUT THE BRIEF IN CASE WE WANTED TO DO THAT LATER. YES. YEAH. COULD YOU CLARIFY WHAT THE, UM, FRONT YARD SETBACK SITUATION IS? 'CAUSE I GOT CONFUSED IN, IN WHETHER IT HAS TO MEET BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY OF THE, THE PREVALENT EXISTING ZONING OR, OKAY. [00:45:01] GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. UH, REGARDING, UH, FRONT SETBACK, UH, THE, UH, PROPOSED REQUEST IS TH THREE, WHICH, UH, DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY FRONT SETBACK. SO, UH, THE, BECAUSE THE, UH, THERE IS A BLOCK FA UH, BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY, AND, UH, WE DIDN'T WANT TO IMPOSE ANY, UH, UH, INCREASED FRONT SETBACK TO THE OTHER FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. UM, UH, SO THAT'S WHY TH THREE, UH, DOESN'T HAVE ANY, UH, SETBACK AND IT WON'T CREATE ANY PROBLEM FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS. I'M SORRY, I'M STILL CONFUSED. I, I, I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, THE REQUIREMENT IS FOR TH THREE, BUT IT'S THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY WITH THE OTHER PARCELS ON THE STREET BEING R FIVE, WOULDN'T BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY, IMPOSE THE, THAT SAME SETBACK ON TH THREE REGARDLESS OF WHAT TH THREE NORMALLY REQUIRES. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? WE CAN COME BACK AND BRIEF IT IF NEEDED. UH, WE WILL GO TO CASE NUMBER FIVE. DO WE NEED NUMBER FIVE? BRIEFED NO QUESTIONS OR REQUEST TO BRIEF NUMBER FIVE? NO. OKAY. WE'LL GO TO NUMBER SIX. WE DO NEED THAT ONE BRIEFED. LET'S BRIEF NUMBER SIX, PLEASE. HELLO. GOOD MORNING. I'M GONNA GET A TRAP DOOR TO LIKE, WITH A SLIDE OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT OLD CARTOON I'M THINKING OF, BUT I GO THROUGH A TRAP DOOR THERE AND IT POP POPS ME OUT OVER HERE AND THEN I'M READY TO GO. UM, OKAY. UM, THIS IS ZERO, UH, Z TWO FIVE, UH, ENDING IN SEVEN TWO. AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A CHILD OR ADULT CARE FACILITY ON PROPERTIES ON R FIVE, SINGLE FAMILY ON THE NORTH LINE OF MEXICANA ROAD, WEST OF PLUTO STREET. UH, PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST BEING TO PERMIT CHILDCARE SERVICES WITHIN THE EXISTING FACILITY, IT'S ABOUT A 7,400 SQUARE FOOT SITE AND IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED AT R FIVE, DEVELOPED WITH A HOME. UM, THE USE, SO THE USE IS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT IN THIS DISTRICT WHEN, UH, THE BUILDINGS PREVIOUSLY OPERATED BY A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION, PUBLIC, A PRIVATE SCHOOL OR RECREATION CENTER, UH, WITHOUT THAT HISTORY IT REQUIRES AN SUP AS SUCH THAT REQUEST THAT SUP TO PERMIT, UH, THE PROPOSED USE IN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE LOCATED IN WEST DALLAS, LOCATED HERE, UM, AS IT'S BUILT OUT TODAY. AND THERE'S OUR ZONING MAP. WE, WE JUST GOT R FIVE, UM, THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN THE TRINITY LEVEE BEHIND US. UM, HERE'S THE SITE FROM MEXICANA, THE HOME TO THE WEST, UH, THE HOMES TO THE EAST, LOOKING ACROSS MEXICANA, LOOKING SOUTH. AND THOSE ARE THE LAY OF THE LAND THERE. UM, THIS IS R FIVE, UH, TODAY, UH, ALL THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR ANY CHANGES HAVE TO CONTINUE TO COMPLY WITH THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF R FIVE. UM, CONSISTENCY IN TERMS OF, UH, FORWARD DALLAS 2.0, UM, COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL. UH, WE, BASED ON THAT COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, PRIMARY USES IN THAT ARE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED DETACH, UM, INSTITUTIONAL USE SUCH AS THIS IS A SECONDARY USE. UH, UH, THE WAY WE LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, YOUR COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL OR WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR PRIMARY, PRIMARY USE, THOSE ARE GENERALLY PREDOMINANT THROUGHOUT THAT AREA AND GENERALLY SHOULD BE SUPPORTED. UM, SUPPORTING USES, UH, CAN BE DEFINITELY APPROVED WITH, UM, EITHER QUALIFYING CIRCUMSTANCES OF A LOT OR PARCEL OR, UM, LIMITS ON A USE, [00:50:01] UM, YOU KNOW, CONDITIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, IN THIS CASE, USE WOULD BE, THIS INSTITUTIONAL USE WOULD BE PRETTY LIMITED IN WHAT THEY CAN DO UNDER THE SUP THE SIZE OF THE LOT I HAVE TO COMPLY WITH CONDITIONS, UM, NAMELY THE USE SITE PLAN, HAVE TO MAKE ANY, ANY ALTERATIONS OF THE SITE PLAN AS WE KNOW, NEED TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS. UM, UH, THE CAP ON THE FLOOR AREA CAN'T ADD ON. UM, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE LARGE, THEY HAVE THEIR LANDSCAPING HAVE PUSHED TOWARDS THE FRONT, UM, THAT WILL, THAT THEY CAN, THAT THEY WOULD MAINTAIN. UM, AND THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS OF S THEN WHEN WE GET TO THE SITE PLAN, WE DO HAVE OUR, UH, STRUCTURE AS IT EXISTS TODAY. UH, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH THE STRUCTURE AS THEY'VE GOT, UM, WITH A SINGLE STORY BUILDING WITH A SMALL SECOND STORY, UM, AND PARKING IN THE FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY, LEVEES BEHIND THIS, THIS PROPERTY. UM, SO THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN THIS FOR THE MOST PART, UM, AS THEY MAINTAIN THEIR SUP AND AS SUCH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO ASIDE PLANNING CONDITIONS. QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, MR. PEPE? UM, I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW WHAT QUESTIONS ARE COMING 'CAUSE WE TALKED YESTERDAY, BUT I HAVE TO DO IT FOR THE, FOR THE HEARING. UM, WHEN I WENT OUT THERE LAST WEEK, THE PROPERTY DID NOT HAVE ITS ZONING SIGNS POSTED. SO ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT AS A YESTERDAY WHEN, WHEN WE SPOKE? OKAY. UM, ALSO THE AERIALS IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE SITE PLAN VERY CLEARLY SHOW AN UNFENCED SWIMMING POOL IN THE BACKYARD OF THIS PROPERTY. HOW DOES THAT CORRELATE WITH SCHOOL WITH DAYCARE SAFETY? YEAH, TYPICALLY THAT'S NOT GONNA BE PERMITTED WITH CODE. YOU'VE GOT, IF YOU SAID IT WAS UN FENCED, UM, UM, SOMETHING THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS. UM, AND THAT'S RE YOU KNOW, REQUIRED BY CODE. UM, DOESN'T REALLY PLAY INTO OUR RECOMMENDATION IN REGARDS TO IT. YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S GOTTA FOLLOW CODE AT THE SAME RATE. UM, THERE ARE STEPS THAT CAN BE TAKEN TO, UH, TO GET THEM TO REMEDIATE IF, IF THEY ARE IN BREACH OF CODE. UM, BUT STILL BASED ON THE USE FOR THE, FOR THE STRUCTURE, UM, STILL DOESN'T AFFECT THAT. OKAY. SO THE FRONT YARD IS COMPLETELY PAVED AND HAS NOT EVEN THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPING FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. I BELIEVE THERE'S A LARGE TREE ON ON THEIR PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR SINGLE FAMILY. SO THAT'S THE, THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT. OKAY. AND SO THAT'S IN S THAT'S, THAT'S BOTH IN, SO FOR THE SIZE A LOT, YOU NEED A LARGER MEDIUM TREE FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME. MM-HMM . THEY HAVE THAT, UH, THE SEP CALLS FOR TO REMAIN IN THE FRONT. UM, SO THEY, WE DO HAVE THAT. BUT, UM, SO I'LL SAY, YEAH, WITH REGARDS TO, UH, CONCRETE IN THE FRONT, RIGHT NOW, OUR CODE DOESN'T REALLY HAVE SIGNIFICANT, UM, MEASURES THAT PROTECT AGAINST, UM, SIGNIFICANT, UM, PAVING IN OUR FRONT YARDS. UM, OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT STAFF NOTES GENERALLY, BUT THAT IS THE SAME CONDITION THAT, UM, OF, OF SINGLE FAMILY THAT'S, THAT'S HELD THAT EVERY OTHER R FIVE IS, IS HELD TO. RIGHT. BUT RIGHT NOW THE FRONT YARD IS FOR THE COMPLETELY PAVED RIGHT. AND THE BACKYARD IS A SWIMMING POOL AND A SHED STRUCTURE. YEAH. OKAY. AND, AND CONDITIONS COULD ADDRESS THOSE SORTS OF THINGS IF THE PROPERTY OWNER IS WILLING TO MAKE SUCH CHANGES. RIGHT. NOW MOVING ON TO THE NEXT SUBJECT, UM, THERE IS NO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION WITHIN ANY REASONABLE DISTANCE OF THIS SIDE, CORRECT? IS THAT CORRECT? YES. AND THIS IS A MIDBLOCK LOCATION, NOT, NOT A, A CORNER LOCATION. IT'S A MIDBLOCK MENA DRIVE IS AT LEAST NINE TENTHS OF A MILE LONG AND IT'S A DEAD END STREET. THERE'S ALSO HEAVY STREET PARKING THAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW TO THE POINT THAT ANY CAR TRYING TO COME INTO MENA FROM PLUTO AND ANY CAR EXITING HAS TO DO THE LITTLE DUCK AND WEIGHT MANEUVER. AND SO THIS PROPOSED DAYCARE WOULD BRING IN, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THEIR DOCUMENTS, THEY SUBMITTED 54 POSSIBLE VEHICLES BRINGING STUDENTS AND NINE STAFF MEMBERS INTO THIS MIDBLOCK LOCATION. CORRECT. AND THERE ARE NO CROSS STREETS. YES. SO NO, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE CORRECT IN IN THAT ASSESSMENT. THOSE ARE OUR FACTORS OF THE SITE. AGAIN, I MEAN, I GUESS IN STAFF'S ESTIMATION, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A PRETTY SMALL OPERATION. WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE AMOUNT OF STUDENTS THAT'S GONNA BE REGULATED THAT THE STATE LEVEL, BUT THEY CAN OBVIOUSLY NO, I I WAS JUST GOING BY WHAT THEIR STATE, WHAT THE DOCUMENTS THAT THEY SUBMITTED [00:55:01] FROM THEIR STATEMENT. YEAH. AND, AND MAINLY JUST BASED ON THAT, IT DOES LEND ITSELF BEING A NEIGHBORHOOD IN THIS CASE LENDS ITSELF TO, YOU KNOW, OPERATIONS THAT SERVE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS ON A SMALLER SCALE THAT DON'T NEED AS MUCH VEHICLE INGRESS AND EGRESS AND PARKING. UM, THAT'S PART OF THE STAFF PROCESS. THE USE COULD BE A DAY HOME BY RIOT, THAT IS, IT WOULD NOT, IT WOULD NOT GO THROUGH HIS REMAINS OWN PROCESS. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. SO A MUCH SMALLER OPERATION COULD BE THERE BY RIOT IF IT LIMITED ITS POPULATION AND WAS OPERATED AS A DAY HOME? THAT'S CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. WELL, AND THIS IS A GENERAL QUESTION. I UNFORTUNATELY AM NOT ABLE TO GET 51 A TO COME UP, UM, FOR ME THIS MORNING. BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IN OUR, OUR DISTRICTS, THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IS REQUIRED TO BE OPEN AND UN UNOBSTRUCTED. AND IT MAY BE BISECTED BY A DRIVEWAY, BUT THERE IS NOT PARKING ALLOWED IN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK. AND I THINK I JUST HEARD YOU SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENT. YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT'S A BIT OF A DIFFICULTY IN OUR CODE BETWEEN PARKING VERSUS CONCRETE, AMONG OTHER THINGS. UM, 'CAUSE SOME IN, AND YOU SEE THIS CONDITION THROUGH THROUGHOUT THE CITY GENERALLY, WHERE PEOPLE WILL PAVE, UM, THEIR, THEIR FRONT YARDS. UH, ANOTHER THING IS THAT GENERALLY THESE KINDS OF PAVINGS DON'T REQUIRE PERMIT. UM, AND SO THEY DON'T, NOT TO SAY THAT THEY'RE NECESSARILY BREACHING CODE, UM, BUT THEY'RE IN, THEY ARE IN A GRAY AREA. UM, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING. IT, IT IS TECHNICALLY CORRECT, UM, THAT PARKING IS NOT PERMITTED IN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, ALTHOUGH PAVING IS ALLOWED IN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK. SO, BUT IT REMAINS TRUE THAT IT IS NOT A LEGAL PARKING SPACE. RIGHT. AND I DON'T, IN THIS CASE, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO COUNT IT TOWARDS A PARKING REQUIREMENT OR ANYTHING, BUT AS WE KNOW, MOST, MOST HOMES THAT ARE ACCESSED FROM A FRONT YARD IN THIS CITY, UH, DO HAVE PARKING OCCUR IN THEIR FRONT SETBACK, UM, BECAUSE BY NATURE OF IT BEING PAVEMENT. SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S A BIT OF A, A GRAY AREA. BUT I, I RECOGNIZE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO I GUESS I'M EVEN MORE CONFUSED NOW. SO THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS SAY THAT PARKING MUST BE LOCATED, SHOWN ON THE ATTACHED SITE PLAN. THE ATTACHED SITE PLAN IDENTIFIES THE PARKING DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT YARD. AND IF I JUST HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, THAT'S NOT COMPLIANT WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. SO WOULD THIS SITE PLAN BE ABLE TO BE, UM, ENFORCED AT PERMITTING? WELL, IT WOULD, IT'S, IT, I MEAN, PART OF IT IS WE'RE NOT TRYING, THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO COUNT IT TOWARDS A, A REQUIRED PARKING. PARKING IS, IS SET BY THE, THE SUP BASED ON A, IN THIS KIND OF, IN THIS KIND OF USE CASE BY CASE. OTHERWISE, UH, THE CHILDCARE FACILITY USE DOES NOT REQUIRE PARKING. UM, BUT I, I THINK THAT'S TO, TO A DEGREE THAT'S A LIMIT ON WHERE PARKING CAN BE. THEY CAN'T HAVE PARKING LOTS IN THEIR BACK AREA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND ANYONE CLOSER TO ANYONE'S BACKYARD. UM, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MEETING OR REQUIREMENT, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LIMITED IN WHAT YOU, WHAT SPACE YOU CAN USE. DEFINITELY. SO, UM, THAT'S THE CONDITION AS THEY'VE, THEY'VE BUILT IT OUT TODAY. THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO COUNT IT FOR REQUIRED PARKING, BUT GENERALLY THESE USES DON'T REQUIRE PARKING. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HALL. MR. PEPE, IS THIS, IS THIS A, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR IS IT A BUSINESS? IT PRE, IT PRESENTS AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME TODAY. WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IT, IT LOOKS PRETTY SIMILAR TO THE OTHER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE AREA. I GUESS WHEN I FIRST SAW THE CONCRETE IN THE FRONT YARD, I THOUGHT, IS THERE A BUS, A BUSINESS? 'CAUSE IT, THE, THE GOOGLE MAP VIEW SHOWS MAYBE THERE'S BUSINESS ACTIVITIES GOING ON ALL, ALL THROUGH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT AS FAR AS YOU'RE AWARE, IT'S NOT A A, IT, IT DOESN'T PRESENT THAT WAY WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE THERE IN PERSON. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE SEE PARKING, BUT I, THERE ARE OTHER SITES THROUGHOUT THE BLOCK THAT DO HAVE PARKING IN THE FRONT YARD. NOT SAYING THAT MAKES IT WRONG OR RIGHT, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S KIND OF TYPICAL. UM, AND, AND NOT UNCOMMON, BUT I, YOU KNOW, WE USE OUR, OUR PLANNER EYES AND OUR CODE EYES WHEN WE GO OUT THERE, DON'T, DON'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE THAT INDICATES THAT TODAY. AND, UM, IF THEY GET AN SUP TO OPERATE DAYCARE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY LIMITED IN HOW MUCH THEY CAN AGAIN, PRESENT AS A, AS A BUSINESS. SO THIS REQUEST IS NOT RENEWING AND SUP, IT, IT IS A NEW SUP, IS THAT CORRECT? IT'D BE A NEW USE, YEAH. OKAY. UH, I JUST SEE A LOT OF CARS AND VEHICLES THERE AND IT MAKES ME THINK EITHER A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVE THERE OR THERE'S A BUSINESS OR SOMETHING GOING ON. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S THE BEST, BEST INFO FROM OUR, OUR, UM, ANALYSIS AND VISITS. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM [01:00:01] . THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. WE'LL GO TO NUMBER, UH, SEVEN. WE'LL ALSO COME OFF CONSENT. DO WE NEED A BRIEFED COMMISSIONER? I HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE. THIS HASN'T HAD AN SUP SINCE 2019. IT'S BEEN EXPIRED FOR SIX YEARS AND SELLING ALCOHOL AND IT'S A WALGREENS STORE. DO I NEED TO REPEAT THE QUESTION? NO, MY, MY QUESTION IS, THIS IS A WALGREENS STORE AND THEY HAVE NOT HAD AN SA VALID SUP SINCE 2019 TO SELL ALCOHOL. OH, , I, UH, MR. CHAIR COMMISSIONERS, UM, YES, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. UH, THEY HAVE NOT HAD ONE SINCE 2019, I BELIEVE. UM, SO THAT SUP 1973 BASICALLY NO LONGER VALID. THIS IS TREATED AS A BRAND NEW SUP AND THE SUP IS REQUIRED BECAUSE IT'S CONSIDERED A GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE, EXCUSE ME, GREATER THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET UNDER THE D ONE LIQUOR OVERLAY DISTRICT. SO THEY'RE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH THE SUP PROCESS AGAIN. SO AFTER SIX YEARS, DO WE KNOW WHAT BROUGHT THEM TO REAPPLY OR WHAT, I'M SORRY. THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING FOR SIX YEARS WITHOUT AN SUP. WHY, WHAT, WHAT BROUGHT THEM BACK INTO THE FOLD OR ASKING TO BE BROUGHT BACK INTO THE FOLD? DO WE KNOW? UM, HONESTLY, I'M NOT SURE WHY THERE WAS ELAPSE DURING THAT TIME. MAYBE THEY WEREN'T SELLING THE ALCOHOL. I DID TRY TO CONFIRM THAT THEY WERE NOT, YOU KNOW, DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, I WAS TOLD THEY WERE NOT. SO, UM, OKAY. YOU KNOW, THERE IS, UM, THE, I BELIEVE IT'S A SHELL STATION. THERE'S A GAS STATION DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, JUST RIGHT ACROSS TO THE WEST ON BUCKNER, AT CORNER OF BUCKNER IN BREWTON. AND THAT ONE HAS AN SUP FOR ALCOHOL SALES. SO I'M KIND OF THINKING THAT MAY HAVE PROMPTED IT, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE FOR COMPETITION, . OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. COMPETITIVE REASONS, BUT I CAN, I CAN DOUBLE CHECK AGAIN WITH THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE BEFORE THE MEETING. LIKE, OKAY. SO YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SELLING ALCOHOL ALL THIS TIME. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? UH, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS, UH, REGISTERED TO SPEAK IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS AT THE HEARING. UH, WE'LL, UH, NUMBER EIGHT COMMISSIONERS WILL HAVE NO ACTION. WE'LL READ A STATEMENT INTO THE RECORD WHEN WE GET TO THAT CASE. NUMBER NINE HAS COME OFF CONSENT. UM, DO WE NEED IT BRIEFED? WOULD YOU LIKE NUMBER NINE BRIEFED? COMMISSIONER WHEELER? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS Z 2 45 DASH ONE 20, ALSO THE NEW DALLAS, NOW NUMBER Z DASH 2500 0 1 15 0. IT'S A APPLICATION FOR A-F-R-T-N-A RESIDENTIAL TRANSITIONAL SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE R FIVE, SINGLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT. IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF HAMILTON AVENUE NORTHEAST OF FARM STREET. THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR A DUPLEX USE ON SITE. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 6,338 SQUARE FEET IN COUNCIL DISTRICT SEVEN. HERE IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY WITHIN CITY LIMITS. HERE'S THE AREA MAP WITH THE PROPERTY, UH, HIGHLIGHTED IN RED. HERE IS THE ZONING MAP SHOWING SURROUNDING ZONING. [01:05:01] UM, TO THE NORTH THERE'S UNDEVELOPED LAND AND A PARKING LOT THAT I THINK IS FOR A FAIR PARK. UM, NORTHEAST, THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY AND ALSO A PARKING LOT NORTHWEST. THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX AND ALSO A MULTI-FAMILY SOUTHEAST. THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY IN UNDEVELOPED LAND. UM, SOUTHWEST, THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY, DUPLEX AND MULTIFAMILY. AND THEN SOUTH THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY AND UNDEVELOPED LAND. I'LL GO THROUGH SOME SITE PHOTOS. THIS IS LOOKING SOUTHEAST AT THE PROPERTY. UM, THIS IS LOOKING EAST, NORTHEAST. UM, THIS IS THE PARKING LOT I STATED EARLIER. LOOK AT NORTH, NORTH, NORTHWEST, WEST, SOUTHWEST HERE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. SO THE EXISTING, UH, DISTRICT, THERE WAS A 20 FOOT, UH, FRONT YARD SETBACK. UM, SIDE, SIDE SETBACK WAS, UH, I MEAN, SORRY, SIZE SETBACK WAS FIVE FEET AND I THINK 10 FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES. UM, THERE HAD A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 5,000. THE HEIGHT WAS THREE AND THE, UH, LOT COVERAGE WAS 40. UM, 5%. WITH THE NEW PROPOSED, UM, DISTRICT, THE RESIDENTIAL TRANSITIONING DISTRICT, THEY HAVE TO PUT PICK A DEVELOPMENT, UH, A DEVELOPMENT TYPE. AND THAT DEVELOPMENT TYPE GOVERNS, UH, THE SETBACK. SO THE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT PI TYPES THAT APPLY ARE A MANOR HOUSE, SINGLE FAMILY, CIVIL BUILDING AND OPEN SPACE. AND SO THE SETBACKS FOR THOSE ARE SHOWN HERE. FOR MANOR HOUSE, THERE'S A 15 FIT FRONT, FRONT YARD, UH, SINGLE FAMILY, 15 FOOT CIVIL BUILDING BUILDING 20. AND FOR THE OPEN SPACE IS 10. UM, ALSO FOR THE SIDE YARD SETBACK, THOSE ARE ALSO GOVERNED BY THE DEVELOPMENT TYPE AS WELL. UM, MANOR HOUSE 15, SINGLE FAMILY 15 CIVIL BUILDING, 20. AND THEN OPEN SPACE IS 10 FOR THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE. UM, FOR, FOR DUPLEX THERE'S ACTUALLY 6,000. UM, SO ALSO TWO STORIES ARE ALLOWED FOR HEIGHT AND IT CAN GO UP TO 35 FEET. AND THEN THE LOT COVERAGE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE AT 60, UM, PERCENT. ALSO WITH THE FARM BASE, THERE ARE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE STRUCTURE THAT, UH, ALLOW CERTAIN PERCENT OF, UH, BLANK WALL SPACE. AND ALSO, UH, TRANSPARENCY, THAT'S, UH, PERCENTAGE OF WIELDING WI BUILDINGS ON THE FRONT FAC SIDE AND DIFFERENT ITEMS LIKE THAT. THERE'S ALSO REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING GARAGES, UM, ON THE SITE. THEY CAN'T BE ACTUALLY RIGHT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. THEY HAVE TO BE SET BACK. AND THIS DIAGRAM SHOWS THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY DEVELOP THOSE PARKING GARAGES. UM, AND SO AFTER DOING, UH, SOME SEARCH, I LOOKED AT THE AREA PLAN AND IT DOES FIND THAT THIS PROPOSAL COMPLY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE AREA PLAN. IT ALLOWS DEVELOPER TO COME IN WITH THOSE, UH, I'M NOT GONNA SAY STRICT, BUT WITH THE REGULATIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT TYPES, WITH THE FORM BASE, THERE ARE DESIGN STANDARDS AND THOSE STANDARDS ARE IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING STRUCTURES, UM, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IT ALLOWS THE DEVELOPER TO DEVELOP AND ALSO, UM, COMPLY OR BE COHESIVE WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. UM, FOR FORT DALLAS, IT'S IN THE COMMUNITY OF RESIDENTIAL, WHICH ALSO ALLOW FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND SOME DUPLEX, UM, USES STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOUR QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER HOUSE. RIGHT. UM, THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION. WE OFTEN IN CASES LIKE THIS ARE PRESENTED WITH A CASE THAT'S A TH THREE. AND SO THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT WE'VE GOT THESE DESIGN STANDARDS AND THE, THE FORM-BASED STANDARDS THAT ARE PART OF THE THIS RTN ZONING. IS THAT, IS THAT FUNDAMENTALLY THE DIFFERENCE? I GUESS I'M JUST, JUST SORT OF CURIOUS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHY SHOULD WE BE USING THIS INSTEAD OF THE TH THREES? OR WHY, WHY DID THIS ONE COME UP DIFFERENT? SO THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY CAME IN WITH AN MF TWO, BUT AFTER TALKING TO THEM, AND I UNDERSTAND THE, THE, UH, CONCERNS THAT A LOT OF THE PEOPLE IN PD 5 95 HAVE, UM, WITH, UM, NEW DEVELOPERS COMING IN, UM, AFTER TALKING TO THEM, WE FEEL SINCE THEY WERE ONLY GONNA BUILD A DUPLEX TO, UM, TRANSITIONAL RESIDENTS, TRANSITION ONLY ALLOWS FOR CERTAIN USES. SO IT'S A TRANSITION BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY AND MORE OF THE HIGH DENSITY AS FAR AS A WMU AND ITEMS LIKE THAT AND FORM BASE. AND SO SINCE THEY WERE ONLY DOING THE DUPLEX, UM, IT'S IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE LAND USE THAT THEY'RE GONNA USE. AND THEN ALSO THE DESIGN STANDARDS ALLOW THEM TO, UH, LIMIT WHAT THEY BUILD ON THE PROPERTY. AND SO ALSO RESPECT THE EXISTING, UH, BUILDINGS. UH, IT DOESN'T ALLOW THEM TO BILL TOO HIGH. AND ALSO THE DESIGN WILL BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE STANDARD, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMISSIONER WHEELER. [01:10:01] I'M, I WAS, WHICH, UM, ERIC, WHICH AREA PLAN DID YOU APPLY TO THIS CASE? UM, I JUST DID THE OVERALL, I JUST DID A REVIEW OF THE OVERALL. UM, AND SO IT'S BASICALLY JUST A SUMMARY OF UM, WHAT THE OVERALL AREA PLAN FOR THE SOUTH DALLAS. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY THE NEW ONE, IF THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. SORRY. YES MA'AM. YES, I AM. IT'S THE NEW ONE. OKAY. THIS IS MY, THIS IS THE FIRST CASE THAT, THAT THEY ACTUALLY IS UTILIZING THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA PLACE. UM, ALSO I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT DID A ASK THE QUESTION I WAS GONNA ASK WHY WASN'T A EITHER A TH UH, ONE OF THE THS. UH, AND SO WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE TYPE WHEN IT WAS RELATED TO DUPLEXES, BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF APPLICATIONS FOR THAT, IS, IS THAT, IS IT KIND OF MORE APPROPRIATE TO THAT THIS TYPE OF ZONE IS MORE APPROPRIATE IN LINE WITH THE TYPE OF ZONE, UM, THE TYPE OF, UM, UM, DESIGN STANDARDS THAT THE AREA PLAN IS CALLING FOR? YES, AND THEN WE ALSO CHOSE THIS ONE TOO BECAUSE THE EXISTENCE ZONING WAS A R FIVE AND SO WE DIDN'T WANNA JUMP TO AN MF TWO IN THE MIDDLE OF A R FIVE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT. 'CAUSE IT SITS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK. OKAY. AND THE LAST QUESTION IS, AND SO THIS, THIS TYPE OF, THIS ONE WOULD NOT MAKE THE REST OF THE, YOUR LOCK TO BECOME NONCONFORMING, CORRECT? NO. SO ACTUALLY WITH THIS ONE, THERE IS A 20 FOOT SETBACK, THE BLOCK CONTINUITY, THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW BLOCK CONTINUITY. WHAT THIS DOES ALLOW FOR THEM TO HAVE, LIKE, IF THEY HAVE A PORCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT ALLOWS THEM TO ENCROACH, I BELIEVE, FIVE FEET WITHIN THIS, UH, FRONT YARD SETBACK. BUT IT, IT WON'T TOUCH ANY OF THE REQUIRED SETBACKS FOR ANY OF THE EXISTENCE ZONING. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER SHADI, I, I THINK PROBABLY I SHOULD HAVE ASKED TO BE BRIEFED INSTEAD OF ASKING IT BECOME OFF CONSENT, SHE SAID CAN, CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN, COMMISSIONER? PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE JUST ASKED FOR AS TO BRIEF IT AND BEFORE INSTEAD OF COMING OFF OF CONSENT. OH, OH, KEEP IT ON CONSENT? YES, MA'AM. YES, SIR. OKAY. I THINK THERE, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN. YEAH, THERE'S, I THINK THEY'VE ALL COME OFF SO WE'LL, UM, NUMBER FOUR, I THINK TO FOUR. YEAH. SO, UH, COMMISSIONER IS, ARE WE KEEPING NUMBER FOUR ON CONSENT? IS THIS, UM, ONLY ONE I THINK THAT I TOLD TO COME OUT CONSENT WAS, UH, THIS ONE AND 12. OKAY. 12 IS THE CONTINUANCE OF WHAT WE DID. THAT WE OBVIOUSLY BRIEF ON THAT CASE. YES. OKAY. SO, SO NINE WILL GO BACK ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO I HAVE FOUR AND NINE ON CONSENT. IS THAT WHAT WE HAVE, SIR? OKAY. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE IT. UH, COMMISSIONERS. I HAVE A REQUEST FOR A BREAK. UH, IT'S 10 23. LET'S TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK. COMMISSIONERS. HEY, THIS IS 10 44. WE'RE GONNA GET BACK ON THE RECORD. JORGE, WE'RE RECORDING. SIR, WE ARE RECORDING. UH, COMMISSIONERS WILL KEEP MOVING ON THE AGENDA. MOVE TO CASE NUMBER 10. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. ITEM NUMBER 10 IS KZ 25 85. THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN RR REGIONAL REGIONAL DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE N NO, A NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT. IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF HILL CROSS ROAD AND LBJ FREEWAY. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 9.96 ACRES AND IT IS WITHIN DISTRICT 11. THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP, UH, THE AERIAL MAP, THE ZONING MAP SURROUNDING AREAS TO DECIDE, AS I MENTIONED, IS NOA DISTRICT CURRENTLY TOWARDS THE NORTH IS AN R HALF ACRE. A DISTRICT TOWARDS THE EAST IS AN NOA DISTRICT. UH, TOWARDS THE WEST IS PD NUMBER 1 37. [01:15:01] AND THEN SOUTH IS NOA DISTRICT AND G-O-G-O-A DISTRICT WITH D RESTRICTIONS. THE AREA OF REQUEST IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A THREE TWO STORY OFFICE BUILDINGS DIRECTED IN 1972 PER, UM, DALLAS COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT RECORDS, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT DEVELOP THE SITE WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE, A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OR MORE. THE RR REGIONAL RETO IS THE LEAST I INTENSE DISTRICT THAT PERMITS THE PROPOSED USE BY RIGHT. THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS ON SITE LOOKING EAST, LOOKING EAST, LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING WEST, LOOKING NORTH, LOOKING WEST AGAIN, LOOKING SOUTHWEST. AND THEN SURROUNDING USES ONSIDE LOOKING NORTHWEST AND THEN SOUTHWEST, LOOKING SOUTH, AND THEN LOOKING EAST, LOOKING NORTH. AND THEN THIS ARE DILEMMA STANDARDS, UH, THE EXISTING AS AN NOA, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING AN RR. AND THEN, UM, IF SB EIGHT 40 DETERMINED AS APPLICABLE TO THE SITE THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS OF PERMITTING, MODIFIED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WOULD APPLY HIGH, NO LESS THAN 45 FEET. NO LIMITS ON FAR WOULD BE APPLICABLE IN EITHER DISTRICT ONLY WHEN DEVELOPING A PROJECT WITH A SIGNIFICANT MULTI-FAMILY PORTION WHEN DEVELOPING PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL PROJECTS BASED STANDARDS, UH, APPLY. AND THEN, UM, WITHIN THE FOUR DALLAS 2.0, THE PLACE TIE FOR THIS PROPERTY IS COMMUNITY MIXED USE. UM, SO THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE AREA SERVES AS VIBRANT HUBS LOCATED AT MAJOR INTERSECTIONS AND ALONG KEY QUARTER DRAWING PEOPLE FROM MULTIPLE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. THESE AREAS SUPPORT A BLEND OF COMMERCIAL OFFICE, RESIDENTIAL AND SERVICE USES, OFTEN CONCENTRATED NEAR LONGER NODES OF ACTIVITIES SUCH AS COMMERCIAL CENTERS S OR OFFICE PARKS. AND THE STATUS RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER SIMS, PLEASE. UH, MS. GARZA, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THIS. I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN AWFULLY BUSY WITH IT. UM, I RECEIVED, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF EMAILS ON THIS ISSUE AND, AND I WANTED TO TOUCH A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE ISSUE OF FORWARD DALLAS. SO, UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE CITIZENS' CONCERNS SAID THAT THE, UM, THE STAFF ANALYSIS THAT THE HEB REZONING REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTERISTICS OF A COMMUNITY MIXED USE PLACE TYPE IS CURSORY AT BEST AND IS OTHERWISE FLAWED, IS WHAT THE NEIGHBOR SAID. SO I WONDER IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT, THAT, UH, OBJECTION THAT WE RECEIVED. SO THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE AREA, UM, AS I MENTIONED, IT'S A MIX OF COMMERCIAL OFFICE RESIDENTIAL, RETAIL AND SERVICES ARE CONCENTRATED ADJACENT TO LARGER NODES OF ACTIVITY. AND THEN, UM, COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL CENTERS, COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS AND OFFICE PARK ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS PLACE TYPE. THEY ACCOMMODATE MARKET NEEDS WHILE REINFORCING NEIGHBORHOOD ACCESS TO GOODS, JOBS AND SERVICES IN A COMPACT MIXED ENVIRONMENT. AND SINCE THIS IS IN A LARGER ARTERIAL, WHICH IS LBJ, UM, IT, IT DOES CONSIST WITH THE CHARACTERS OF THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE. OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU. UM, I WANNA TURN MY ATTENTION NOW. I KNOW WE RECEIVED IN THE PACKET AS WELL THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION IMPACT ANALYSIS, THE TIA, AND WE'VE ALSO RECEIVED A GREAT DEAL OF COMMUNICATION FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, ABOUT THE TIA TALKING ABOUT A NUMBER OF THE INTERSECTIONS THAT WERE GRADED AT, UH, D, E, AND F ON THEIR CURRENT USE. AND, AND I, THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR MR. NAVAREZ, BUT I KNOW STAFF, I BELIEVE STAFF HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT ANALYSIS AND HAS FORMULATED AN OPINION. AND I WONDER IF, IF STAFF COULD SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR US. PLEASE, MR. GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. DAVID NAVARRO, TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. UM, IN, IN BRIEF, WE HAVE A, BASED ON THE COMMENTS, UH, QUESTION, COMMISSIONER SIMS, WE HAVE AN EXCITING AND CHALLENGING PROJECT THAT, UM, BASED ON PRELIMINARY ASSESSMENT, THE, THEIR, THEIR FIRST ROUND OF TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, UH, SHOWS THAT [01:20:01] CAN BE ACCOMMODATED ADEQUATELY WITH THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, PLUS A FEW IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA. AND MR. MORRIS, COULD YOU ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF? UM, I, I DON'T WANNA FALL SHORT ON LIST THEM OUT LISTING ALL OF THEM, BUT THE, THE STUDY, AND BASED ON WHAT WE HAD INITIALLY DISCUSSED IN THEIR EVALUATION, UH, THERE NEEDS TO BE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE OPERATIONS OF HILLCREST PLAZA. UH, AT HILLCREST, UH, THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE VERY, ARE MUCH MORE NEEDED FOR VEHICULAR TRAFFIC IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE EXITING OUT OF THIS PRIVATE DRIVEWAY. UM, BUT ALSO DETECTION. AND WHEN WE SPEAK OF DETECTION, IT INVOLVES BOTH PEDESTRIANS AND VE VEHICLES. THERE'S ALSO A CURRENT, AN EXISTING NEED TO CONSTRUCT A RIGHT TURN LANE, UH, NORTHBOUND TURNING RIGHT ONTO THE SERVICE ROAD WITH OR WITHOUT THIS NEW DEVELOP PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. AND, UM, THAT THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS, WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THE CONSTRUCTION DEDICATION, 'CAUSE THAT'S CRITICAL, THE DEDICATION OF ENOUGH SPACE AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A RIGHT TURN LANE IS ALSO, UM, INCLUDED WITH THIS PROJECT NOW MORE LANES THAT EXTENDS THE DISTANCE THAT A PEDESTRIAN CROSSES. AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT BY THE INSTALLATION OF AN ISLAND POTENTIALLY IS WHAT THE ENGINEER OF RECORD IS PROPOSING AT THIS POINT. AND WE HAVE NO REASON TO OBJECT TO IT. UH, OTHER IMPROVEMENTS ARE VERY MUCH SPECIFIC TO THE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S A CHALLENGING SITE. I I'VE SAID IT ALREADY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONE, IT'S, WE HAVE VERY LIMITED OPTIONS FOR ACCESS. UM, THAT'S OBVIOUS. THE TOPOGRAPHY IS VERY CHALLENGING TOO. WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THEIR ENGINEERING PLANS, BUT, UH, BUT WE KNOW THAT, UH, WE'LL HAVE TO EVALUATE THEIR, UH, FLOODING AND DRAINAGE. BUT SPECIFICALLY ON IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR ACCESS IS THE DECELERATION LANES, THE SPECIFIC LOCATION OF DRIVEWAYS RELATIVE TO RAMPS THAT ARE, AND I'M HOPING THAT EVERYONE HAS AN IDEA OF A CON THEIR, THEIR CONCEPTUAL PLAN. UM, BUT SO THERE WILL BE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS ON THE SERVICE ROAD. WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE IS ABLE TO ATTEMPT EXITING IN, IN, OR THAT EXITS AND ATTEMPTS TO MAKE A TURN AGAINST THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC. AND THEN FINALLY, SOMETHING THAT WE CONTINUE TO EVALUATE IS THE IMPACT TO OTHER INTERSECTIONS LOCATED EAST AND WEST PRESTON AND PARK CENTRAL, SPECIFICALLY ON PARK CENTRAL. THERE'S A NEED TO EVALUATE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN, UH, THAT INTERSECTION FLOODS AND THE GATES BECOME ACTIVE. ALL OF THOSE ITEMS HAVE BEEN, UH, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT'S CONSULTANTS AND FIGURING OUT, UM, OPTIONS FOR MITIGATION. GOOD. YEAH, I'M GLAD GLAD YOU RAISED THAT. 'CAUSE I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE FLOODING ON THE EASTBOUND SERVICE ROAD. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE STAFF IS AWARE OF THAT. UM, YOU MENTIONED, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR. YOU MENTIONED DEDICATION OF, OF LAND FOR THE RIGHT TURN LANE. IS THAT, IS THAT LAND THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO DEDICATE TO THE CITY TO CREATE THAT RIGHT TURN LANE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? ABSOLUTELY, YES, SIR. OKAY, GOOD. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. MR. NAVAREZ, WHILE, WHILE YOU'RE HERE, UM, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE EMAILS FROM THE NEIGHBORS SPOKE ABOUT THE, UM, OPERATION OF HILLCREST TODAY AND CHARACTERIZED IT AS BAD IS NON FUNCT, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, UH, TOO MANY BACKUPS, ET CETERA. I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION OR A POINT OF VIEW ON THAT? AND THEN I MIGHT ADD SOMETHING AFTER YOUR ANSWER. OKAY. UM, TWO, TWO POINTS RELATED TO HILLCREST. NUMBER ONE, I FULLY AGREE THAT ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT, I THINK IT'S A PRINCIPLE ARTERIAL OR PRINCIPLE, UH, UH, MAIN COLLECTOR, IT IS A PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL IN THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN. I DISAGREE IN PRINCIPLE AND AGREE WITH A COMMUNITY THAT, UM, HILLCREST FEEDS EXCLUSIVELY RESIDENTIAL ROADS. THERE, THERE ARE NO MAIN ROADS THAT FEED INTO, UM, UH, THE, THE, UH, HILLCREST GOING SOUTH TO WALNUT HILL, AND THEN FROM WALNUT HILL ALL THE WAY DOWN TO NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, UH, EV EVERY, EVERY ROAD THAT CONNECTS ONTO HILLCREST BETWEEN NORTHWEST HIGHWAY AND LBJ ARE RESIDENTIAL STREETS. AND SO TO ME, UH, BY DEFINITION, HILLCREST OPERATES AS A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR, UH, AN OVERSIZED RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR. UM, IN MY OPINION, WE DON'T NEED THE AMOUNT, THE NUMBER OF LANES THAT THE ROAD, UH, CURRENTLY CARRIES. BUT, UH, WITH THAT IN MIND, [01:25:01] THE ANALYSIS SHOWS THAT, UH, THERE IS ADEQUATE PROGRESSION AND, UM, ADEQUATE DELAY, MEANING NO ONE STAYS BEHIND WHILE A GREEN BALL TURNS RED. SO MEANING YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE ON RED AND IT TURNS GREEN, THE WHOLE PLATOON, THE THE WHOLE GROUP OF VEHICLES WILL CLEAR THAT INTERSECTION BASED ON THE ANALYSIS. MM-HMM . UM, AND I WAS GONNA MAKE ONE MORE POINT, UH, TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. UM, THE ANALYSIS ACTUALLY SENDS 30% OF THEIR TRAFFIC SOUTH ONTO HILLCREST, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, ON A, ON A WEEKEND, AND I DISAGREE WITH THAT ANALYSIS. HOWEVER, IT ACTUALLY SHOWS A WORST CASE SCENARIO WHERE VEHICLES, THEY'RE SENDING A THIRD OF, ALMOST A THIRD OF ALL THE TRAFFIC SOUTH TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS. AND I BELIEVE I HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS WITH THE CONSULTANT. I BELIEVE THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE REASON WHY THEY ASSIGNED THAT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC TO HILLCREST TO SEE WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES OF ADDING A THIRD OF THE TRAFFIC. UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A MORE REALISTIC, I BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL BE MORE OF A REGIONAL DESTINATION ON A WEEKEND PEAK. THAT'S A PERSONAL OPINION. AND IF YOU HAVE FIVE ENGINEERS, FIVE ENGINEERS WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT, PERHAPS A DIFF A SIMILAR OPINION, BUT DIFFERENT NUMBERS. AND, AND THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THOSE OF THESE ANALYSIS THAT WE WE'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO PLAY WITH THOSE NUMBERS AND BRING 'EM UP AND DOWN AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. AND, AND WHILE NO ONE IS GONNA BE PERFECTLY CORRECT, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, THE ANALYSIS SHOWS THAT THEY WILL NOT BE AN, A ADVERSE IMPACT TO ANY OF THE INTERSECTIONS ALONG HILLCREST. WELL, THANK YOU, THAT, THAT'S HELPFUL. UM, DID YOU KNOW THAT WHEN I LOOK AT THE TXDOT, UH, TRAFFIC COUNTS POSTED ONLINE, DID YOU KNOW THAT, UM, HILLCREST HAS, NORTH, SOUTH HILLCREST HAS LESS TRAFFIC COUNT TO IT THAN COY TO THE EAST, PRESSED TO THE WEST AND MIDWAY TO THE WEST, WHICH SUGGESTS TO ME THAT PERHAPS YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE EXPERT ON THIS, BUT IT WOULD SUGGEST TO THIS LAYMAN THAT, THAT IT'S SUFFICIENT FOR WHAT'S TODAY, WHAT'S THERE TODAY. THANK YOU. IT, CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR LAST, THE COMMENT THAT'S SUFFICIENT TO THAT'S SUFFICIENT FOR WHAT'S, WHAT'S THERE TODAY AND MM-HMM. AND, AND YOU COMPARED IT TO COT, COIT, PRESTON AND MIDWAY ALL HAVE HIGHER TRAFFIC COUNTS. I 100%, YES. UM, ANECDOTALLY UNDER, UM, AGREE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT, AND IF WE LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS OR IF YOU NEED THOSE NUMBERS VERIFIED BY THE COMMISSION OR PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION, I, I'M CERTAIN THAT'S THE CASE. UH, AGAIN, HILLCREST FEEDS RESIDENTIAL STREETS, UM, AND THEN DEAD ENDS ON HILLCREST, UH, NORTH OR SOUTHWAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER HALL HALL, UM, MR. NOVAR, IT, SO WOULD YOU, UH, SAY THAT TODAY WITHOUT THE HEB, THAT THAT DEDICATED, UM, TURN LANE, WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT HELP TRAFFIC FLOW AS IT IS TODAY, EVEN WITHOUT THE HEB BEING THERE? IF THERE WAS A, IF A, A TURN LANE WAS INSTALLED, WE NEED THE CONSTRUCTION OF A RIGHT TURN LANE TODAY. THAT'S AN EXISTING NEED WITHOUT THE HEB, WITHOUT THE HEB. SO, UM, IT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO HAVE A DEVELOPER, EXCUSE ME, THE OWNER, BE IN A POSITION WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY BE REQUIRED THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS TO DEDICATE, UM, THE, THE SPACE, THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR A RIGHT TURN LANE. YEAH. UM, SO ALSO, UM, AND, AND I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE I HEARD YOU RIGHT. THE IMPACT TO TRAFFIC, UM, ON HILLCREST AND ON, UM, 6 35 WOULD PROBABLY BE GREATER DURING THE WEEKEND. IS THAT WHAT YOU, WHAT'S YOUR, IN YOUR OPINION? THAT'S MY OPINION. AND WHAT THE STUDY SHOWS, YES, MA'AM. AND IT WON'T, AND IT, IT WON'T IMPACT DURING THOSE HIGH TRAFFIC TIMES ON HILLCREST, SUCH AS IN THE, AS PEOPLE ARE GOING COMMUTING TO WORK AND COMMUTING HOME, IT WOULD BE PROBABLY, IT WOULD, IT WOULD NECESSARILY ADD, IT WILL ADD WHEN WE WOULD LOOK AT SOMETHING AND SAY, WELL, IF YOU PUT THIS HERE, UM, IT'S GOING TO SIGNIFICANTLY SLOW DOWN THE COMMUTE DURING THOSE HIGH, THOSE HIGH TRAFFIC TIMES WHEN WE'RE LEAVING AND COMING, ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE'S SO MANY RESIDENTIAL STREETS BEHIND IT. UM, I, I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF THE COMMUNITY THAT NEIGHBORS THIS PROPERTY AND SAY, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THE REPORT SAYS THAT THERE WILL NOT BE ANY IMPACT TO THE INTERSECTION DURING THE MORNING AND THE AFTERNOON PEAK HOURS ON A REGULAR WEEKDAY. UM, THAT'S NOT TRUE, BUT THE INSTALLATION OF THE, OF THE TURN LANE WILL HELP THE, THE ANALYSIS QUANTIFIED HOW MUCH TRAFFIC WILL ADD ONTO, AND IT'S STILL WELL BELOW THE CAPACITY OF THE ROAD, WHICH MEANS, UM, ALL VEHICLES [01:30:01] APPROACHING THAT INTERSECTION WILL BE ABLE TO CLEAR THE, THE INTERSECTION WITHIN THE GREEN, ALLOCATED GREEN TIME. THERE, THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE CHANGES TO FURTHER OPTIMIZE. BUT, UM, UH, WE, WE DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY. SO, AND, AND WHAT WOULD YOU EXPECT, UM, AFTER THE DEDICATION OF THE LAND FOR A TURN LANE, WHAT USUALLY IS THE TIMEFRAME FOR THAT TIME THAT, THAT TURN LANE TO BE INSTALLED? OKAY, AND I, I USE THE WORD PERMITTING, EXCUSE ME. IT'S ACTUALLY PLATTING, UH, THE PLATTING IS WHERE WE WILL ADD A REQUIREMENT TO DEDICATE THIS DEDICATION, EXCUSE ME, TO DEDICATE THIS PIECE OF LAND. THE TIMING. I, I WILL DEFER TO THE APPLICANT FOR THAT ANSWER. I CAN TELL YOU OUR REVIEWS TIME IS WITHIN 30 DAYS FOR THE PLAT ITSELF TO COME TO YOU. AND THEN OUR REVIEW TIMES ARE BETWEEN, RIGHT NOW, ANYWHERE BETWEEN SEVEN AND 14 CALENDAR DAYS. SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT'S WHEN NOT THE, AT THE PERMIT? SO AFTER PERMITTING, SO ARE GETTING TO PERMITTING HOW LONG BEFORE? UH, IT'LL BE YEARS, MA'AM. UH, AND I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS AN ESTIMATED LINE TIMELINE THAT THEY, UH, EXCUSE ME. THIS IS BASED ON PUB INFORMATION THAT SOME OF US HEARD AT A PUBLIC MEETING. THAT'S THE ONLY SOURCE OF MY INFORMATION. THEY PRESENTED A TIME OR THEY EXPRESSED THEIR INTENTION FOR A TIMELINE. IT, IT, THE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE RIGHT TURN LANE WILL BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PROPERTY, MEANING WHEN WE'RE AT THE TIME OF INSPECTION, WE'LL HAVE THE SAME, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE BE WITHIN THE CONTRACT. IT IT'LL BE YEARS, MA'AM, FOR THE REVIEW AND CONSTRUCTION TO BE COMPLETED. SO, AND THE APPLICANT IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING A TURN LANE, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE JUST DEDICATING THE LANE. THE, THE APPLICANT WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE RIGHT TURN LANE. OH, OKAY. IT'LL BE PART OF THEIR CON THEIR, THEIR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT. OKAY. SO THE DEDICATION AND, OKAY. OKAY, THAT SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HALL. MR. NEVAREZ, UH, HILLCREST IS INTERSECTED BY ROYAL LANE AND FOREST AS WELL. SO THOSE ARE ALL MAJOR ARTERIALS, I THINK. YEAH. OKAY. UM, THIS, THIS RIGHT TURN LANE, UH, IT HAS TO BE A CERTAIN LENGTH. UH, DOES THE CITY SPECIFY THE LENGTH THAT IT HAS TO BE, MY QUESTION GETS DOWN TO HOW MANY CARS CAN ACTUALLY QUEUE IN THAT RIGHT TURN LANE. OH, THANK YOU. SO WIDTH, BUT BUT ALSO LENGTH, RIGHT? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LENGTH OF THE RIGHT TURN LANE. YEAH, SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE YOU LOOKING AT INTO THE REPORT. UH, IT HASN'T BEEN FINALIZED BECAUSE AGAIN, IN MY OPINION, UH, THE REPORT IS SENDING SUBJECTIVELY MORE TRAFFIC ONTO SOUTH HILLCREST. AND I THINK THE, THE REASON, IN MY OPINION, THE REASON IS TO MAKE A POINT IN WHAT THE WORST CASE SCENARIO FOR THE IMPACT ON INTERSECTION SOUTH OF THIS PROJECT. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DIFFERENT SCENARIO WHERE MORE TRAFFIC IS ADDED, ESPECIALLY DURING A WEEKDAY WEEKEND. AND, AND BASED ON THOSE NUMBERS, WHAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DETERMINE, UH, IT'S A CALCULATION'S, THE 95TH PERCENTILE, AND WE, AND WE MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC TURNING RIGHT IS ALLOCATED WITHIN THE LENGTH OF THE, OF THE RIGHT TURN LANE. OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE LIMITED BY THE LENGTH OF THE DISTANCE BETWEEN HILLCREST PLAZA IN AND IN, IN EL IN THE SERVICE ROAD. OKAY. BUT, UH, AS OF RIGHT NOW, IN FACT, THEIR CONCEPTUAL PLAN SHOWS THE LENGTH TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN. UH, WHAT THE STUDY NEEDS TO SHOW US IS, WELL, NOT REALLY THE, THE STUDY WILL NEED TO SHOW US THAT, THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE LENGTH AND THAT ONE V EQUAL IS NOT BLOCKING THE, THE, THE FIRST THROUGH LANE 'CAUSE END UP BEING AN INEFFICIENCY OF THE DESIGN. YEAH. I'M, I'M ON HILLCREST LITERALLY EVERY DAY OF MY LIFE, , AND, UH, I GET THE IMPRESSION THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE, IF THERE'S A ACCIDENT ON CENTRAL, THEY USE HILLCREST TO CUT THROUGH, UH, TO GET THAT. SO I KNOW AT TIMES IT CAN FEEL LIKE IT'S VERY BUSY, BUT I FOUND COMMISSIONER HOUSE WRITES COMMENTS ABOUT IT'S NOT AS, DOESN'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC LOAD AS SOME OF THE OTHER NORTH SOUTH, UH, ARTERIALS THROUGH THE DISTRICT. I WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU POINTED OUT THAT THERE ARE PRINCIPAL ARTER ARTERIALS INTERSECTING HILLCREST, I, YOU KNOW, THAT CAME TO THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS AN OPTION AS A, UH, CONNECTION BETWEEN MAJOR ROADS IN DALLAS. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE LOOKED AT THE TRAFFIC, HISTORIC TRAFFIC COUNTS DEFINITELY DOESN'T CARRY THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT COURT DOES. AND, AND IT WOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE MORE TRAFFIC IF, IF NEEDED, BUT THERE'S NO REASON TO THINK THAT IT WOULD. YEAH, I I'VE NEVER FELT LIKE IT WAS AN EXTREMELY BUSY STREET, BUT IT, DURING RUSH HOUR IT MAYBE SEEMS LIKE [01:35:01] IT, BUT MM-HMM . IN GENERAL, IT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK. OKAY. THANK YOU. MAY IF I MAY ADD A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, PLEASE. THE, THE, MY, MY COMMENT ON MY DISAGREEMENT WITH THE STUDY, IT, IT, IT COMES FROM A, THE FACT THAT WE HAVEN'T COMPLETED A REVIEW OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY, THAT'LL BE PART OF THEIR ENGINEERING REVIEW. AND, AND AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S A COLLABORATION WITH THE DESIGN ENGINEER WHERE WE COME TO AN AGREEMENT OF WHAT, AND IF WE DON'T, WE STILL WANT TO SEE BOTH, BOTH SCENARIOS, OKAY. YOUR SCENARIO AND MY SCENARIO AND WHAT HAPPENS WITH BOTH OF 'EM. SO, UM, THANK, THANK YOU, SIR. UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER SIMPSON. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UH, MS. GARZA, JUST ANOTHER QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU THAT I KNOW WE RECEIVED, UH, AN EMAIL FROM YOU EARLIER THIS WEEK, UH, WITH RESPECT TO OFFER DEED RESTRICTIONS FROM THE, UH, FROM THE APPLICANT, RIGHT? WE'VE RECEIVED SOME COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT THE REGIONAL RETAIL ZONING, ALLOWS A WHOLE BUNCH OF USES, MANY OF WHICH THE NEIGHBORS ARE OPPOSED TO. IS THAT, ARE THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS PART OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO HEAR TODAY? YES. SO, SO THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT, UM, DE RESTRICTIONS AFTER THE DOCKET WAS PUBLISHED. UM, BELIEVE AN EMAIL WAS SENT OUT. UM, BUT THE USES THAT ARE BEING PROHIBITED THROUGH THE DATA RESTRICTIONS ARE BUILDING REPAIR, MAINTAINANCE, JOB MISSIONARY HEAVY EQUIPMENT OR DRUGS, SO IN SERVICES OUT SERVICE CENTER, COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE MOTORY FUNERAL HOME OR COMMERCIAL RUNNING CHAPEL PAWN SHOP, VEHICLE DISPLAY CELLS AND SERVICES, COMMERCIAL BUS STATION AND TERMINAL COMMERCIAL RADIO, TELEVISION, TRANSMITTING STATION, AND ELECTRICAL SUBSTATIONS. GREAT. THANK YOU. UH, ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP TO, UH, COMMISSIONER SIMPSON'S QUESTIONS FOR OUR ATTORNEY. UH, DID THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE REVIEW THE DEED RESTRICTIONS OFFERED BY THE APPLICANT? I HAVE REVIEWED THEM AND I HAVE NO OBJECTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, COMMISSIONER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER HARBERT, IN, IN PREVIOUS CASES THAT WERE, UM, CLOSE TO THE FREEWAY, THERE WAS A TEXT DOT APPROVAL PROCESS. IS THAT STILL GONNA BE A PART OF THE PROCESS FOR THIS TEAM? OKAY, THANK YOU. PLEASE. THE, THE ANSWER WAS YES, CORRECT. THE, THE ANSWER IS YES. UM, TEXT DOT REQUIRES DALLAS, UH, TO SIGN OFF OF THE PERMIT AND THEN THEY BEGIN THE REVIEW, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'LL BE COLLABORATING. THEY HAVE ALREADY COLLABORATED, STARTED A CONVERSATION THAT THE APPLICANT CONSULTANTS HAVE STARTED A COLLABORATION WITH THEM, AND WE'LL DO THE SAME, UM, SHOULD IT GET APPROVED THROUGH ZONING. THANK YOU, SIR. YES, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, SECOND ROUND. UM, I'M GONNA ASK JUST ONE MORE QUESTION. SO, SO BASED OFF OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS THE, UM, ON THE TRAFFIC IMPACT AND THE WAY THE DRIVES ARE, HILLCREST PLAZA WOULD BE, WOULD BE THE SORT OF, I, I GUESS HILL CLA, HILLCREST PLAZA DRIVE WOULD BE MORE OF THE ENTRY POINTS THAT, UM, WILL BE UTILIZED THE MOST AS THE ENTRY POINTS INTO THE HEB. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE DRIVE B IS NOT FORMED, IT'S A POSSIBILITY. IT ONLY LOOKS LIKE, OR, OR IT'S ONLY A ENTRYWAY. A SMALL ENTRYWAY COMING IN AND DRIVE A IS FURTHER DOWN THE FREEWAY. SO DRIVE B IS ONLY, SO ONLY DRIVE B IS ONLY A ENTRANCE, UH, IS ONLY RECOMMENDED FOR AN INTEREST. INTEREST EXCUSE IS DRIVE B ON THE, ON THE TRAFFIC IMPACT. UH, WE'RE LOOKING, I'M LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. DRIVE B IS ONLY GOING TO BE FOR INCOMING TRAFFIC. AND SO THAT'S THE YES, MA'AM. AND, AND, AND, BUT SO MOST OF THE, MOST OF THE, UM, ENTRANCES ARE ON HILLCREST PLAZA DRIVE. I'M ACTUALLY TRYING TO FIND THE, THE ANALYSIS, TRAFFIC ASSIGNMENTS, UH, TO SHOW, TO GIVE YOU EXACTLY. OH, ON PAGE FIVE, YES MA'AM. UH, HILLCREST PLAZA TO ME WILL BE A, A PRIMARY POINT OF ACCESS TO THE SITES, UM, ESPECIALLY EXITING. UM, BUT THE TWO DRIVEWAYS ON THE SERVICE ROAD PROVIDE A PROMINENT AND ACCESS POINT OF ACCESS AS WELL. AND DRIVE B IS, IS, IS, IS, IS MAKING IT WHERE IT WON'T, UM, SO MUCH IMPACT THE FRONTAGE ROAD BECAUSE IT'S IS IS NARROWLY GOING INTO THE PROPERTY. UM, AND, AND DRIVEWAY B, CAN YOU REPEAT [01:40:01] YOUR QUESTION, BUT, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO THE MIC, MA, IF I MAY, EXCUSE ME. DRIVE B IS NOT, THAT IS ON ALL THE WAY ON THE PROPERTY. AM I CORRECT WHERE IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT, UM, THE, THE, OH, YES, MA'AM. SO DRIVE DRIVEWAY B IS PROPOSED TO HAVE A LONG, UM, DRIVE DECELERATION LANE MAY, MAY COUNT AS A DECELERATION LANE FOR VEHICLES TO PULL OUT OF THE TRAVEL LANE LANES AND THEN COME TO A STOP WITHIN THE SITE, UM, A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE SERVICE ROAD. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, COMMISSIONERS WILL MOVE TO CASE NUMBER 11 OR, UH, ONE CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT, UH, PARDON ME, OR TWO CASES UNDER ADVISEMENT. UH, NUMBER 11, HAVE WE BRIEFED THIS ONE BEFORE? HAS NOT BEEN, HAS NOT BEEN BRIEFED? WE'LL BRIEF IT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO BRIEF IT? YES, PLEASE. OKAY, WE WILL BRIEF IT THEN. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS CASE Z 2 45 DASH 1 38. AN APPLICATION FOR TH TWO, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT WITH CONSIDERATION FOR MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT. IT WAS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF FOREST LANE IN STALTS ROAD, EAST OF SHRADER LANE, ABOUT SEVEN ACRES IN SIZE, UH, LOCATED UP HERE, UH, THE NORTH NORTHWESTERN PART OF THE CITY. UH, HERE WE SEE THE AERIAL MAPS SHOWING THE AREA OF REQUEST. THIS IS THE SITE ITSELF. IT, I BELIEVE IT USED TO HAVE A CHURCH ON THERE. AND THEN OVER HERE TO THE WEST IS THE FOREST LANE DART LIGHT RAIL STATION. HERE'S THE ZONING MAP AGAIN, JUST SHOWING MORE OF WHAT THE ACTUAL SURROUNDING USES ARE TO THE NORTH IS AN IR DISTRICT THAT IS LARGELY UNDEVELOPED IN THE NORTH. AND THEN TO THE RIGHT IS, IT SAYS OFFICE IS MORE OF A PARKING LOT, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE TI OFFICES ARE TO THE NORTHEAST IS SINGLE FAMILY. UH, THE HAMILTON PARK SUBDIVISION THEN TO THE WEST IS THE DART STATION AS MENTIONED, WHICH IS PART OF A PD TO THE SOUTH IS SINGLE FAMILY WITH R 10, THEN TO THE EAST IS A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT UNDER PD 1 41 TO THE SOUTHEAST IS RETIREMENT HOUSING. THE SITE IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AND THE APPLICANT INTEND TO BUILD DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING. THEY'RE REQUESTING A TH TWO, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT. THESE PHOTOS WERE TAKEN, UH, A FEW MONTHS AGO, AND THIS IS ON STALTS, LOOKING WEST SOUTHWEST. AND WE'RE JUST GONNA SHOW WHAT THE GENERAL SITE LOOKS LIKE. IT'S PRETTY UNDEVELOPED, AS YOU CAN TELL. THERE'S WHATEVER STRUCTURES WERE THERE IN THE AERIAL PHOTO ARE NO LONGER THERE. THERE YOU SEE THE MULTIFAMILY THAT'S TO THE EAST. THEN LOOKING TOWARDS THE WEST AND THE SOUTH SOUTHWEST. THEN LOOKING WEST ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE PHOTOS, WHERE THAT SINGLE FAMILY IN THE R 10 A STARTS, THEN THE NORTH, NORTHWEST, NORTH, NORTHEAST AND TO THE WEST, RIGHT AT THE PROPERTY LINE. THESE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS HERE, AND I WANT TO MAKE A FEW NOTES HERE. I SEE I DID ACTUALLY PUT A NOTE IN THERE. THAT'S GOOD. I GOT AHEAD OF MYSELF. SO THIS IS COMPARISON OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS HERE EXISTING IS R 10 A WITH YOUR TYPICAL SETBACKS HERE, 30, 30 FEET, SIX FEET MINIMUM MOD SIZE, 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF COURSE, AND A HEIGHT OF 30 FEET. UH, THE TH TWO DISTRICT HAS NO MINIMUM FRONT YARD SETBACK. THE ANY PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE FRONTING STOLTZ ROAD WOULD BE SUBJECT TO BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY REQUIREMENTS. GIVEN THAT IT'S R 10, THAT WOULD BE A 30 FOOT FRONT SETBACK. THE SIDE AND REAR SETBACKS FOR SINGLE FAMILY, THERE'S NO MINIMUM FOR A DUPLEX. THERE'S A FIVE 10, A FIVE FOOT SIDE, AND A 10 FOOT REAR. THE TH TWO DOES HAVE A DWELLING UNIT DENSITY. UH, IT SAYS SIX DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. SHOULD BE NINE ACTUALLY, THAT, THAT'S FROM TH ONE. SO NINE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, 2000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM MOD SIZE FOR SINGLE FAMILY. THE HEIGHT IS 36 FEET AND LOT COVERAGE IS 60%. MF TWO A HAS A 15 FOOT FRONT SETBACK. AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE BLOCK BASED CONTINUITY REQUIREMENT AND DIFFERENT SIDE AND REAR, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF STRUCTURES THAT ARE BUILT THERE. UH, WE INCLUDED IT IN THERE BECAUSE IT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES AS WELL AS OTHER USES. TWO NOTES, IS THAT THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE, THERE'S NO MINIMUM LOT AREA UNDER SB EIGHT 40, AND THE HEIGHT IS ALLOWED 45 FEET. UH, IT SAYS NOT LIMITED BY RPS, IT'S NOT QUITE ACCURATE, BUT FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, [01:45:01] THE WAY THAT RRP S IS APPLIED UNDER SB EIGHT 40, UH, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WOULD BE 45 FEET. THE AREA IS IDENTIFIED AS CITY'S RESIDENTIAL IN FOR DALLAS 2.0, WHICH PRO CALLS FOR PRIMARILY MULTIPLEX APARTMENT AND MIXED USE USES WITHIN WITH SINGLE FAMILY AS A SECONDARY USE. THE DISTRICT 10 LAND USE STUDY ALSO CALLS FOR AN URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT HIGH RISE DEVELOPMENT, BUT AN URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS AN ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT. TH TWO IS NOT INAPPROPRIATE HERE, BY ALL MEANS IT WOULD BE, UH, HIGHER AND BETTER USE OF THE LAND. MF TWO A IS MORE SUPPORTIVE OF THE STATED GOALS OF F FOUR DALLAS 2.0 AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT 10 LAND USE STUDY. IT ALLOWS FOR ALL HOUSING TYPES, WHICH PROVIDES FLEXIBILITY FOR DEVELOPMENT. SO CERTAINLY IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO RECEIVE AN MF TWO A DISTRICT, THEY WOULD BE WELL WITHIN THEIR RIGHT TO BUILD THE INTENDED SINGLE FAMILY. AND IT IS ADJACENT TO DART LIGHT RAIL. THAT'S A BIG POINT, I THINK IN FAVOR OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION HERE IS THAT YOU COULDN'T REALLY GET ANY CLOSER TO THE LIGHT RAIL STATION WITHOUT BUILDING ON THE PARKING LOT STAFF'S. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF MF TWO A MULTIFAMILY IN LIEU OF TH TWO A. THANK YOU, SIR. QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? YES SIR, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER FORSET. SO, UM, I WANTED TO CLARIFY YOUR STATEMENT. THE PROPERTY COULD BE DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOP ACCORDING TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE TH UH, TWO DESIGNATION, RIGHT? FOR WHAT THE APPLICANT INTENDS TH TWO WOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING. OKAY. AND, UM, AND, AND AGAIN, WOULD YOU RESTATE YOUR REASONING FOR, UH, A, UH, REQUESTING AN MF TWO DESIGNATION? UH, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THESE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO BUILD, RIGHT? YES. SO MF TWO FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, WHEN WE LOOK AT A REQUEST SUCH AS THIS, WE ARE GONNA LOOK AT WHAT THE LAND USE PLANS AND AREA PLANS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CALL FOR. IN THIS CASE, BETWEEN THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF FORWARD DALLAS 2.0 AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT 10 LAND USE STUDY, IT DOES CALL FOR THIS AREA AND THIS KIND OF BLOCK, NOT BLOCK, BUT THIS LOT IN PARTICULAR TO ALLOW FOR GREATER USES THAN SIMPLY JUST SINGLE FAMILY. AS SUCH, IF IT WERE TO BE REZONED TO MF TWO, WHILE IT'S WOULD ALLOW FOR THE APPLICANT'S INTENDED DEVELOPMENT, IT ALSO PROVIDES THE FLEXIBILITY AND SORT OF THE LONG-TERM, I WOULD SAY THE LONG-TERM GOALS OF THE CITY, WHICH AGAIN, BASED ON FORWARD DALLAS AND A DISTRICT 10 LAND USE STUDY, IT DOES CALL FOR, UH, GREATER, UH, GREATER HOUSING DENSITY ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE. SO BY ZONING AT MF TWO, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS SAYING, WELL, IN THE FUTURE IT COULD BE DEVELOPED INTO MULTIFAMILY OR IF THE DEVELOPER DECIDED TO, OR THE APPLICANT, IF THEY DECIDED TO CHANGE THINGS AND INCORPORATE A MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, AGAIN, MY UNDERSTANDING AND JUST MY PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE APPLICANT HAVING WORKED WITH 'EM BEFORE, THEY FOCUS ON DOING SINGLE FAMILY, I DON'T SEE THAT THEY WOULD DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT THERE. BUT FROM A LONG-TERM PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, MF TWO WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE GOALS OF THE AREA PLAN AND THE FORWARD DALLAS 2.0 PLAN. AND, UM, THIS IS A SEVEN, SEVEN ACRE, UH, PROPERTY, IS THAT CORRECT? SEVEN ACRES? YES. UH, A GOOD PORTION OF IT'S WITH A CREEK AND, UH, SOME FLOODPLAIN. SO, WELL, THAT WAS HARDER TO DEVELOP. WELL, THAT WAS MY QUESTION IS WHAT, WHAT, HOW MUCH OF OF IT IS THE CREEK AND THE FLOOD FLOODPLAIN? I WOULD NEED TO PULL UP THE GIS MAP AND MAKE A, UH, QUICK, UH, CALCULATION THERE. I'D BE HAPPY TO GIVE THAT TO YOU. UM, THAT SORT, WOULD IT, IS IT POSSIBLE? WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU, YOU KNOW, THINK THAT IT'S PROBABLY FOUR ACRES MORE THAN THAT? I WOULD SAY PROBABLY AT AT LEAST FOUR ACRES HERE. FOUR OR FIVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER DOKI. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN LIGHT OF EIGHT 40? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MF TWO AND MF THREE? UH, THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THOSE TWO MF THREE ALLOWS, I BELIEVE IT'S 90 FEET IN HEIGHT. I CAN PULL THAT UP REAL QUICK. UM, AND SORRY, ARE YOU CON CONFIRM? ARE YOU ASKING, I THINK MMT FOUR IS 90 FEET. SORRY, I THINK MF FOUR IS 90 FEET. I'LL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT. I, I'M, I'M PULLING UP THE CODE NOW. YEAH. UH, JUST TO CHECK 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T WORKED, UH, WITH MF THREE AS MANY TIMES. UH, THAT MF FOUR A LITTLE MORE RARE IN TERMS OF OUR APPLICATIONS, BUT I'LL PULL THAT UP NOW. BUT THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS GOING TO BE THE HEIGHT LIMIT. AND SO ON SOMETHING LIKE MF THREE WITH THE WAY SB EIGHT 40 WORKS, WE CAN'T RESTRICT, THE CITY CANNOT RESTRICT A HEIGHT LESS THAN 45 FEET. SO IN A CONTEXT SUCH AS THIS, IF IT WERE TO BE MF THREE, WHICH WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING, AND THIS BODY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PASS EITHER WITHOUT RE NOTICING THE CASE IN, IN THE SITUATION SUCH AS THAT, WHERE THERE'S AN RRP S THAT'S GENERATED BY AN ADJACENT [01:50:01] R 10, IN THIS CASE, YOUR RPS IS GOING TO EXIST. IT JUST CAN'T LIMIT IT BELOW 45 FEET. SO AT THE POINT WHERE YOUR RPS SLOPE REACHES THE 45 FOOT ALLOWANCE, THEN AT THAT POINT IT KICKS IN. SO IT HAS THAT ONE TO THREE SLOPE. SO THEN AFTER THE 45 FOOT LINE, YOU CAN SAY, OKAY, YOUR MAX HEIGHTS 46, THEN ANOTHER THREE FEET, 47, ANOTHER THREE FEET, 48, SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN MF THREE AND AN MF TWO UNDER THE SB EIGHT 40 PROVISIONS IS BASICALLY THAT MF TWO IS, IT'S A STRAIGHT 45 FOOT HEIGHT, AND THAT'S THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT YOU CAN BUILD ON THERE. UH, MF THREE WOULD BE, WHAT'S THE LIMIT ON MF THREE? I'M PULLING THAT UP NOW. YEAH, MF THREE, THE MAXIMUM, OH, PARDON ME. THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 90 FEET IN M THREE 90 FEET. YES. GOT IT. AND THERE'S ALSO SOME, SOME OTHER PROVISIONS. MF THREE FOR INSTANCE, HAS A MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA RATIO. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T REGULATE UNDER EIGHT 40 AS WELL FOR MULTIFAMILY USES. AND AGAIN, I WANT TO CLARIFY, THIS IS ALL JUST FOR MULTIFAMILY USES. OUR MF DISTRICTS ALLOW A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER USES AS WELL. SOME OF THOSE WOULD STILL BE SUBJECT TO THE NORMAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE IN OUR CODE. IT'S ONLY FOR THE MULTIFAMILY USES WHERE THE SBA 40 PROVISIONS APPLY. SO FOR INSTANCE, IN S WITH MF TWO, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO 45 FEET IF YOU BUILD MULTIFAMILY, BUT IF YOU WERE BUILDING SINGLE FAMILY, YOU'D BE LIMITED TO 36 FEET AND SUBJECT TO THE NORMAL RPS. GREAT. THANKS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE COMMISSIONER HOUSER, PLEASE? UM, MR. BATE, UH, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE APPLICANT ASKED FOR TH THREE STAFF SAYS MF TWO IS THEIR RECOMMENDATION. UM, IF WE ELECT TO GO WITH THE TH THREE, THE HEIGHT LIMIT'S 35 FEET, CORRECT? UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. THEY'RE REQUESTING TH TWO, TH TWO, BUT YES, THE HEIGHT LIMIT IS 36 FEET FOR TH 2 36. YEAH. ALL THE TH DISTRICTS ARE 36 FEET. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. OUR, YEAH, OUR TEAM JUST WANTED TO QUICK CLARIFY. SO I THINK WE WERE TRYING, WE WERE CONFUSED. I THINK MF THREE WAS BEING DISCUSSED IS, AND THAT WAS A HYPOTHETICAL. IT WAS A HYPOTHETICAL. OKAY. YEAH, NO, AND, AND SO RPSS IS DEFINITELY A FACTOR. I THINK THAT, I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THAT WE CLARIFY. SO I THINK WE, WE HAD SOME CONFUSION BETWEEN MF TWO VERSUS MF THREE. MF THREE, YOU GOTTA HEIGHT A MAX HEIGHT THAT'S OVER 45. IF AND RPS APPLIES TO THAT DISTRICT, BECAUSE THE MAX HEIGHT IS 90, HOWEVER, IT IS A MODIFIED RPS AND IT'S, IT WORKS DIFFERENTLY THAN, UH, WE MAY HAVE BEEN USED TO IN THE PAST. AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE PUT ON THE RECORD THAT HEIGHTS CAN BE LIMITED BY SB EIGHT 40 IF THEY'RE HIGHER THAN 45, BUT IT DEPENDS ON THE WIDTH AND DEPTH OF THE PROPERTY. SO IF THE HEIGHT OF, SO WE, WE SAID MAX HEIGHT 90 AND MF THREE, IF THE PRO THAT CAN BE ACHIEVED ACROSS THE SITE, IF THE DISTANCE IS TH YOU KNOW, THREE TIMES THEN THE 90. SO WHEREAS WE, AND I THINK WE SHOWED A DIAGRAM IN OUR BRIEFING OF OUR ORIGINAL SB EIGHT 40 BRIEFING, AND THAT'S ON OUR WEBSITE. WE'LL SHOW IT AGAIN IF WE NEED TO, BUT THERE'S NOT STEP BACKS IN, IN A, IN A, UM, MF THREE TYPE DEVELOPMENT, FOR EXAMPLE. IT, WHAT MATTERS MORE IS THE FURTHEST POINT. THAT WOULD BE, THAT IS FROM US A POINT OF ORIGINATION FOR SOMETHING LIKE AN MF THREE, THE FURTHEST POINT FROM THAT, WE NEED TO TAKE THAT DISTANCE, DIVIDE IT BY THREE, THAT'S OUR NEW MAX HEIGHT. SUPPOSING THAT'S UNDER 90, CAN, CAN I GET A POINT OF CLARIFICATION? I DIDN'T THINK SENATE BILL EIGHT 40 APPLIED TO ANY MF DISTRICTS. YEAH, SO I THINK WE TALKED, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, THAT IN OUR BRIEFING WHEN WE DID THE BRIEFING ON THE STATE BILLS, UM, THAT'S THE INTERPRETATION THAT, THAT WE'VE COME TO UNDERSTAND AS WE'VE WORKED THROUGH THEM OVER THE SUMMER. BUT IT DOES APPLY, IT MODIFIES HOW MULTIFAMILY WORKS. CAN YOU, CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION, PLEASE, COMMISSIONER? THE QUESTION WAS I DIDN'T THINK SENATE BILL EIGHT 40 APPLIED TO ANY OF THE MF DISTRICTS. AND YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T APPLY TO S ANY OF THE S THE DS, THE THS AND I THOUGHT THE MF, BUT IF I'M WRONG, THEN I NEED TO KNOW THAT SV EIGHT 40, UM, APPLIES TO MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY OCCUR. THE DIFFERENCE BEING THAT THE SENATE BILL ALLOWS ADDITIONAL DISTRICTS, UM, IT OR IT REQUIRES THE CITY TO ALLOW THOSE USES BY RIGHT. IN ADDITIONAL DISTRICTS. [01:55:02] BUT THE ENHANCED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE PART OF SB EIGHT 40 APPLY ACROSS THE BOARD REGARDLESS OF WHERE THAT DEVELOPMENT IS LOCATED, INCLUDING IN AN MF TWO A OR MU ONE OR WHATEVER, OR R UM, SB EIGHT 40 DOESN'T, I MEAN, AND OUR DISTRICT DOESN'T ALLOW MULTIFAMILY, SO, OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, OKAY. SO IF WE HAVE A DISTRICT THAT ALREADY ALLOWS MULTIFAMILY OKAY, THEN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF SB EIGHT 40 WOULD APPLY TO THAT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN THAT DISTRICT. OKAY, I UNDERSTAND THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER. OKAY. 'CAUSE I, I, I DEFINITELY, I'M CONCERNED WITH THIS ONE. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT A PROPERTY THAT IS MF TWO SAY, OR TOWN HOME DISTRICT WITHIN, UM, THAT IS SAY, UM, IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING TOWN HOME CONDOS, THAT NOW THAT THAT MF TWO HAS TO GO THROUGH THE, THE PROCESS OF THE EIGHT 40 SUBMITTAL? 'CAUSE I, I'M, ARE YOU, ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT A PROCESS QUESTION OR ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT AN APPLICABILITY QUESTION? 'CAUSE SO, UM, I'M ASKING BECAUSE I DO KNOW THAT WITH THE, THE APPLY EIGHT 40, YOU HAVE TO GET UP TO DETERMINATION THAT, WHICH MEAN WE FIRST MUST SUBMIT IT THROUGH THE WEBSITE, UM, AND, AND, AND GET THAT LETTER OF DETERMINATION THAT DOES NOT THAT ALL MF, THE MF TWOS THAT ARE NOT ON A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, THAT'S NOT ITS OWN COMMERCIAL PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, DO NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT. IT'S THE MIDDLE. AM I CORRECT IF IT'S A, IF THERE IS A BASE DISTRICT THAT CURRENTLY ALLOWS THE MULTIFAMILY OR MIXED RESIDENTIAL, UH, OR MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL, UM, SUCH AS MUS OR MFS AND ALL THAT, THEY, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PRE-APPLICATION SCREENING PROCESS. UM, THE STANDARDS IN SB EIGHT 40 WOULD BE APPLIED TO THE PROJECT BY THE ZONING REVIEWER AT THE PERMIT REVIEW. AND TO ADD ONTO THAT, TO YOUR QUESTION, YOU ASKED ABOUT TOWNHOME USES WOULDN'T A APPLIED IF THEY'RE BUILDING A SITE PLAN THAT USES TOWNHOME SINGLE FAMILY, IT'S A APPLICABLE TO MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL. SO, SO LEMME REPHRASE THAT. UM, THERE'S DEVELOP, THEY'RE TOWNHOME CONDOS, SO THEY'RE MF TWO, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY TOWN TOWN HOMES PER SE BECAUSE THE TOWN HOMES ARE SINGLE FAMILY, THEY'RE CONDOS STYLE TOWN HOMES. CORRECT. IF, BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED THE TH DISTRICT EARLIER AND IT WOULDN'T APPLY THERE. MY, MY MISTAKE. YEAH, BECAUSE I DEFINITELY WAS CONCERNED THAT WE WERE GOING HAVE TO NOW PROCESS, SEND IT THROUGH THAT PROCESS, UM, THAT I I SPOKE TO YOU ABOUT EARLIER. OKAY. AND I'LL SPEAK TO YOU NOT IN A BASE DISTRICT. OKAY. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THIS CASE COMMISSIONER FORSYTH SECOND, CAN I ASK A QUESTION TO CLARIFY, UH, COMMISSIONER REAGAN QUESTION? YEAH, I I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF VEERING OFF THE MERITS OF THIS CASE, SO YEAH, BUT, BUT, BUT IT'S THE EIGHT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, I HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND HERE, GOING TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S QUESTION, IF THIS IS ZONED FOR TH THREE THEN A DEVELOPER COULD NOT USING SB A SB EIGHT 40 WOULD NOT APPLY, RIGHT? IT DOES NOT APPLY TO THE USES IN TH THREE BECAUSE MULTIFAMILY IS NOT A PERMITTED USE THERE. BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT IF WE ZONE IT MF TWO, THEN SB EIGHT 40 COULD APPLY. MULTIFAMILY IS A PERMITTED USE, SO IT'S APPLICABLE IN THAT. I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT POINT. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? WE WILL KEEP MOVING. UM, I BELIEVE THE NEXT CASE HAS ALREADY BEEN BRIEFED AND IN FACT HEARD. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON IT? NO, HAS NOT. DIDN'T WE? I THOUGHT WE DID ANY UPDATES? DID WE NOT BRIEF IT BEFORE? YES, WE, YEAH, . OKAY. THERE'S NOT BEEN ANY CHANGES PROPOSED TO, TO ITEM 12. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER? LET'S GO TO ITEM NUMBER 13. WE NEED IT BRIEFED. NO. WOULD ANYONE LIKE IT BRIEFED? NUMBER 13. OKAY, TAKES US TO 14. WE NEED 14 BRIEFED. WOULD ANYONE LIKE 14 BRIEFED? YEAH. OKAY. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, WOULD YOU LIKE IT BRIEFED? OKAY, LET'S, LET'S BRIEF IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. [02:00:15] HELLO. ITEM NUMBER 14 IS KZ 25 1 THIRD CAUSES APPLICATION FOR ONE IN RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT AND TWO, A TERMINATION OF DATE RESTRICTIONS Z 0 3 4 2 8 0 ON PROPERTY ZONE MU ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT. IT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH CORNER OF FERGUSON ROAD AND LITTLE POCKET ROAD. THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP, THE AERIAL MAP, THE ZONING MAP ASIDE. AS I MENTIONED, IT'S MU ONE DISTRICT WITH RESTRICTIONS. THE NORTHEAST IS CR DISTRICT AND MF TWO A DISTRICT. THE SOUTHEAST IS MF TWO A, SOUTHWEST IS RRR, NORTHWEST IS R SEVEN. UM, 0.5 A DISTRICT. THE AREA REQUEST IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED UNDER A ZONE MU ONE DISTRICT WITH DATE RESTRICTIONS WHICH PROHIBITS CERTAIN MU ONE PERMITTED USES AND LIMIT THE HEIGHT OF A BUILDING, 2 36 FEET AND THREE STORIES. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEVELOP THE LAND WITH A BUILDING, REPAIR, MAINTAIN, AND SHOP USE. THIS USE IS NOT PERMITTED UNDER THE CURRENT MU ONE DISTRICT, THEREFORE THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT. THESE ARE SOME OF THE SIDE PHOTOS ON SIDE LOOKING SOUTHEAST, LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING SOUTHWEST, LOOKING SOUTHWEST AGAIN. AND THEN SURROUNDING USES LOOKING SOUTHEAST, LOOKING SOUTHWEST, LOOKING WEST, LOOKING NORTHWEST, LOOKING NORTHEAST, LOOKING NORTHEAST, SOUTHEAST. THEN 11 STANDARDS. AS I MENTIONED, IT'S AN EXISTING AS ME ONE, THE PROPOSED IS RRR. UM, AND THEN, UM, CURRENTLY AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE DATA RESTRICTIONS THAT LIMIT THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING TO 36 FEET AND THREE STORIES. THE FOR DALLAS PLACE AT FOR THIS SITE IS CITY RESIDENTIAL. CITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS DELIVER DIVERSE HOUSING OPTIONS INCLUDING HIGHRISE, APARTMENTS, MID-RISE, MULTI-FAMILY UNITS AND TOWN HOMES LOCATED URBAN AND SUBURBAN SETTINGS. THEY FOCUS ON CONNECTIVITY, AFFORDABILITY AND ACCESS TO TRANSIT. MAKES THESE DEVELOPMENT AND PROXIMITY TO JOBS CENTERS JUST MAKE THESE NEIGHBORHOODS IDEAL FOR URBAN LIVING. THEREFORE, UH, STATUTE RECOMMENDATION ONE IS DENIAL OF THE RR REGIONAL DISTRICT AND TWO APPROVAL OF TERMINATION OF DATE RESTRICTIONS. QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, THANK YOU AND THANK YOU MS. GARZA. I THINK WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WAS WE HAD RECEIVED A, UM, LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY REGARDING THIS REQUEST AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THE RR DISTRICT REQUEST. IS THAT BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO MAINTAIN THE FLEXIBILITY AND THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF THE U ONE I? AND I APOLOGIZE IF I OVERLOOKED IT, BUT WHEN I READ YOUR CASE REPORT, I JUST WASN'T CLEAR, UM, WITH THE ADJACENT RR DISTRICT WHY THIS, UM, THIS PARCEL WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE. YES, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDED IT, UH, DENY THE RR AND TO KEEP THE U ONE FOR IT TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE, UM, WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS, ESPECIALLY THE MF TWO ON THE SOUTH, UM, STAFFS, UM, THE PROPOSED SCENARIO WOULD BE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTHEAST AND THE CURRENT MIXED USE SERVES AS AN APPROPRIATE TRANSITION AND BOTH ARE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS ALONG FERGUSON ROAD. SO IT WAS THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY THAT WAS THE PRIMARY CONSIDERATION IN THE DENIAL? YES. OKAY. AND SO BUFFERS OR OTHER COMPONENTS THAT WILL BE A PART OF THE, UM, RR DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THEY WOULD PROVIDE THAT NEEDED BUFFER. UH, WE JUST, UH, FELT THE MU ONE DISTRICT ALSO WITH THE, THE USES BEING, UM, WITH THE RR AND THE MU ONE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANOTHER THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I WOULD JUST ADD THAT ANOTHER BIG PART OF IT IS ALSO THE, FOR DALLAS PLACE TYPE OF CITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH WE SHOULD BE PUSHING TOWARDS RESIDENTIAL ACCORDING TO THAT PLACE TYPE MORE SO THAN HEAVY, HEAVY COMMERCIAL USES IN A CITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE. SO MAINTAINING THAT IS WAS A PRIORITY. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, FELLOW COMMISSIONER, HOUSEWRIGHT AND WHEELER. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, RATIONALE IN THE REPORT. IT SAYS STAFF SUPPORTS THE TERMINATION OF THESE DE RESTRICTIONS BECAUSE IT WOULD ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT OF RESIDENTIAL USES WHICH ARE SUITABLE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE FORWARD DALLAS [02:05:01] PLACE TYPE. BUT ACTUALLY AFTER SENATE BILL EIGHT 40, EITHER RR OR MU CAN BE RESIDENTIAL BY, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. SO AS FAR AS, BUT I MEAN WITH BOTH MU AND RR, THERE CAN BE USES ALLOWED THAT AREN'T PARTICULARLY COMPATIBLE WITH ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL, WHICH THIS HAS MF TO ONE DIRECTION. I'M SORRY, I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH. UM, SO THERE WASN'T ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO THE FACT THAT ELIMINATING DEED RESTRICTIONS MIGHT ALSO ELIMINATE SOME OF THE PROTECTIONS THAT THOSE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS HAVE AGAINST UNSUITABLE USES? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, SO IF WE ONLY REMOVE THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AND LEAVE THE MU IN PLACE, THIS BUSINESS CAN'T EXPAND. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. AND SO WAS THAT CONSIDERED BY STAFF? YES. COMMISSIONER. WE LIVE AND, AND SO BASED OFF OF WHERE THIS LOCATION IS AT WITHIN THE FERGUSON ROAD INITIATIVE AREA, AND AT THIS PARTICULAR, UM, THE FERGUSON ROAD INITIATIVE IS VERY INVOLVED IN MULTIFAMILY, UM, UH, USES IN THEIR AREA AND, AND ELIMINATE BECAUSE THEY ARE SO OVERSATURATED WITH THEM. UM, WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION TO, UM, TO THAT IN, IN THIS DECISION OR IT WAS JUST STRICTLY BECAUSE OF WHAT YOUR PROPOSAL FOR LAND USE IS? IT WAS REALLY THE, THE PROPOSAL OF LAND USE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. FOLLOW UP COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE. YES, I DID. STAFF GIVE ANY CONSIDERATION TO, UM, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF A RR AND WITH ACCOMPANYING DEED RESTRICTIONS OR MODIFIED DEED RESTRICTIONS TO ALLOW THIS EXISTING BUSINESS TO, UM, EXPAND, WHICH APPARENTLY IS D DESIRED IS CONSIDERED A DESIRABLE NEIGHBORHOOD BY THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO AFFORD THEM SOME PROTECTION FROM UNDESIRABLE USES THAT THEY'RE GETTING NOW IN DE RESTRICTIONS? NO. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER OUTSTANDING ITEMS? OKAY, WELL THAT CONCLUDES THE BRIEFING OF THE L CITY PLAN COMMISSIONERS. IT IS 1138. UH, HAVE A GOOD LUNCH. WE'LL SEE YOU AT 1230. JORGE, ARE WE RECORDING? SIR? WE ARE RECORDING. UH, COMMISSIONERS, [CALL TO ORDER] WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. WE'LL, WE'LL START WITH OUR ROLL CALL. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER DUBINSKI PRESENT, DISTRICT TWO, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DISTRICT THREE. COMMISSIONER HERBERT PRESENT, DISTRICT FOUR. COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, DISTRICT FIVE CHAIR. SHOULD DID PRESENT DISTRICT SIX. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER PRESENT, DISTRICT SEVEN. COMMISSIONER WHEELER REAGAN. PRESENT? DISTRICT EIGHT. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN PRESENT DISTRICT NINE. COMMISSIONER SLEEPER. HERE. DISTRICT 10. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. PRESENT DISTRICT 11. COMMISSIONER SIMS HERE. DISTRICT 12 IS VACANT. DISTRICT 13 COMMISSIONER HALL HERE. DISTRICT 14, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND PLACE 15 VICE CHAIR RUBEN, I'M HERE. YOU HAVE A QUORUM, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. WELCOME TO THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. TODAY IS THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2020 5, 12 30 2:00 PM A COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED. UH, IF YOU NEED AN AGENDA, WE HAVE AGENDAS RIGHT HERE AT THE, AT THE BOTTOM DESK TO YOUR RIGHT. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO GRAB ONE IF YOU NEED ONE DOWN THERE. WE ALSO HAVE THESE LITTLE YELLOW CARDS, UH, THAT ARE JUST SIMPLY A RECORD OF YOUR VISIT WITH US HERE TODAY. AT SOME POINT TODAY, IF YOU COULD JUST COME DOWN AND, AND FILL ONE OF THESE OUT AND THEN JUST LEAVE THEM THERE ON THE, ON THE TABLE AND STAFFS PICKS THOSE UP AFTER THE HEARING. UH, OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES IS, UH, EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES TODAY. UH, MS. LOPEZ WILL KEEP TIME AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP. THIS IS A HYBRID MEETING. WE'LL HAVE SOME FOLKS ONLINE. I WILL PLEASE ASK ALL OF OUR FOLKS ONLINE TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR, UH, CAMERA ON. AND WORKING STATE LAW REQUIRES US TO SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU. AND, UH, ONE LAST QUICK THING. I WILL PLEASE REMIND ALL SPEAKERS TO, UH, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM NAMING ANY COMMISSIONER BY NAME AND ADDRESS ALL YOUR COMMENTS TO THE CHAIR. AND WITH THAT, WELCOME, WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU. WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED, [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] UH, WITH THE MINUTES. DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE SEPTEMBER 4TH MEETING? MINUTES, MR. CHAIR? PARDON ME. , I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE [02:10:01] SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2025 CITY CITY PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING AS POSTED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONER HALL AND COMMISSIONER HARBOR FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSIONS? YOU AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. A ANY OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT [2. 25-2720A An application for a minor amendment to the development/landscape plan on property zoned Planned Development District 696, on property bounded by Rickover Drive, Welch Road, Ridgeside Drive, and Crestline Avenue. ] MOVE TO OUR FIRST MISCELLANEOUS ITEM, CASE NUMBER TWO. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER TWO, MZ 25 27. AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO A DEVELOPMENT SLASH LANDSCAPE PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 6 9 6 ON PROPERTY BOUNDED BY RICKOVER DRIVE, WELCH ROAD, RICH SIDE DRIVE, AND CREST KNIGHT AVENUE STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? I, GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, SIR. UH, THANK YOU. UM, MY NAME IS LANCE CURRY. I'M THE DALLAS ISD TRUSTEE FOR DISTRICT ONE, AND I LIVE AT 4 4 6 8 TWIN POST ROAD, WHICH IS A BLOCK AND A HALF FROM THIS LOCATION. I WAS LOOKING AROUND TO SEE IF CHIEF ALFORD WAS IN THE ROOM TO MAKE SURE I DON'T SAY ANYTHING I SHOULDN'T, BUT HOPEFULLY I, UH, HE'S OUTTA HERE, SO, UH, UH, WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES. SO, UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HEARING, UH, THIS, UH, AGENDA ITEM. UH, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF, UH, ENHANCING THE DIS, UH, THIS LOCATION FOR THE WT WHITE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF. UM, WE HAVE OTHER SPEAKERS, THE PRINCIPAL, UH, PRINCIPAL WING HERE, UH, THE HEAD COACH, FOOTBALL COACH WILL COME TALK. UH, SO I'LL LET THEM SPEAK SOME OF THE MERITS ON THE ISSUES OF HOW IT HELPS THE STUDENTS, BOTH FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF IT BEING ABLE TO HAVE LIGHTS AT TIMES WHEN IT'S NOT A HUNDRED DEGREES OUTSIDE. UH, AND ALSO ONCE THE TIME CHANGES, UH, SO THAT THERE'S STILL LIGHTS THAT YOU CAN USE THE FIELD SO THAT OUR GIRLS' SOCCER TEAMS AREN'T HAVING TO PRACTICE SOCCER INSIDE THE GYMNASIUM. UH, AND THEY'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE ISSUES. I JUST WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. I'VE LIVED IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR 15 YEARS NOW. UM, AND FOR YEARS, IF NOT DECADES, THE WT WHITE, UM, FIELD AND TRACK WERE OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO GO AND TO ENJOY. I TAUGHT BOTH OF MY CHILDREN TO RIDE THEIR BIKES ON THAT, UH, TRACK IN THAT FIELD. AND AS PART OF, UH, THE STATE ASKING US TO PUT NON-SCALABLE FENCES AROUND ALL OF OUR FIELDS, WE ENDED UP LOCKING THE, YOU KNOW, AND CLOSING THAT. OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS AND THIS PAST YEAR, I'VE WORKED REALLY HARD TO CREATE A, A SYSTEM USING SOME TECHNOLOGY AND TIME GATES TO ALLOW THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE ACCESS AGAIN TO THE FIELDS. AND THESE LIGHTS ARE ALSO A PART OF GIVING THE COMMUNITY THAT ACCESS SO THAT WHEN THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO BE THERE ON THE FIELD, THEY CAN SEE WHAT THEY ARE DOING FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE. AND WE CAN SEE HOW THAT'S BEING USED FROM A SECURITY PERSPECTIVE. SO YOU'LL HEAR MORE INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT FOOTBALL AND SPORTS AND THE GREAT BENEFITS IT HAS FOR THE STUDENTS, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO RAISE THAT. UH, ALSO, UM, THERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A, A COMMUNITY MEETING LAST WEEK. A LOT OF GREAT ISSUES WERE RAISED AT WHICH WE TRIED TO BALANCE OUT WITH THE COMMUNITY WHAT WE CAN DO. AND DALLAS ISD IS COMMITTED TO LIMITING THE LIGHTING TIMES TO 6:00 AM TO 10:00 PM UH, WE'RE GONNA ISSUE A LETTER TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, ONCE THE, WE HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE REVIEW IT AND SAYS THAT WE CAN DO THAT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. UM, SO THAT ISSUE IS NOT NECESSARILY DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT WE WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT AS WELL. IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BALANCING THIS TECHNOLOGY, UH, IN THESE LIGHTS WITH THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. HI, I AM BETH WING. I AM THE PROUD PRINCIPAL OF WT WHITE HIGH SCHOOL. WT WHITE HIGH SCHOOL IS A NEIGHBORHOOD COMPREHENSIVE HIGH SCHOOL. WE HAVE, WE SERVE 2000 STUDENTS, UM, 90% OF WHICH ARE FROM LOW SOCIOECONOMIC BACKGROUNDS. UM, WE ALSO ARE A NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOL, MEANING WE SERVE THE STUDENTS THAT LIVE IN THE AREA CODES RIGHT AROUND OUR SCHOOL. WE'RE A COMPREHENSIVE SCHOOL, WHICH MEANS WE OFFER A VARIETY OF PROGRAMS. WE DON'T SPECIALIZE IN ONE THING. WE HAVE ADVANCED ACADEMICS. WE OFFER 23 AP CLASSES. WE HAVE AN EARLY COLLEGE PROGRAM WHERE STUDENTS GRADUATE WITH A, UM, ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE IN EITHER BUSINESS OR EDUCATION. WE ALSO HAVE A CAREER IN TECHNOLOGY EDUCATION PROGRAM WHERE STUDENTS GRADUATE WITH CERTIFICATIONS IN USEFUL FIELDS LIKE HVAC AND UM, [02:15:01] HEALTH SCIENCES AND AUTOMOTIVE. WE ALSO HAVE AN OUTSTANDING FINE ARTS PROGRAM. WE OFFER, WE'RE THE ONLY SCHOOL THAT OFFERS DUAL CREDIT COLLEGE LEVEL DANCE CLASSES. WE ALSO HAVE NEARLY HALF OF OUR STUDENT BODY PARTICIPATING IN AC IN ATHLETICS AS WELL. UM, WE ARE ALSO, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE HISTORY OF A THROUGH F LETTER GRADES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, WE ARE THE, WE ARE A B SCHOOL AND THAT IS LARGELY ATTRIBUTABLE TO OUR STUDENT ENGAGEMENT AND OUR STUDENTS, UM, COMING TO SCHOOL. I MEAN, YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED THAT THEY DON'T ALWAYS JUST COME FOR ACADEMICS. THEY REALLY WANNA BE ENGAGED IN EXTRA AND CO-CURRICULAR ACTIVITIES. SO I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK FOR MY STUDENTS AND WHY THEY NEED LIGHTS ON OUR FIELD. WE NEED LIGHTS ON THE FIELD SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME OUTSIDE OF THE ACADEMIC SCHOOL DAY FOR EVERYONE THAT NEEDS TO PRACTICE ON THAT FIELD TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRACTICE ON THAT FIELD. WE USE THE FIELD FOR OUR UIL DRILL TEAM COMPETITION. WE USE IT FOR OUR BAND STUDENTS TO PRACTICE THEIR UIL SHOW. WE USE IT FOR VARSITY FOOTBALL OBVIOUSLY, BUT ALSO WE HAVE A SUB VARSITY FOOTBALL TEAM THAT SERVES, YOU KNOW, 60 KIDS. WE ALSO HAVE A GIRLS AND BOYS SOCCER TEAM. UM, AND IN ADDITION TO VARSITY, WE HAVE TWO SUB VARSITY TEAMS. AND, UM, AND SO REALLY THERE AREN'T ENOUGH DAYLIGHT HOURS TO GET EVERY KID THAT NEEDS TO PRACTICE ON THAT FIELD SAFELY TO PRACTICE ON THAT FIELD. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE LIKE LIGHTS ON OUR FIELD, LIGHTS ON OUR FIELD ARE REALLY AN INVESTMENT IN THE POTENTIAL OF OUR STUDENTS. UM, I'M HERE, LIKE I SAID TODAY TO SPEAK FOR OUR STUDENTS. THEY'RE THE BEST THING ABOUT WT WHITE HIGH SCHOOL. AND, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THEY DESERVE WHAT THE SURROUNDING SCHOOLS HAVE AND ALSO WHAT OUR COMPETING SCHOOL HAVE SO THAT WE CONTINUE TO GROW IN EXCELLENCE. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION TODAY AND ALLOWING ME TO COME TO BEFORE YOU TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MY STUDENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. HOW'S EVERYBODY DOING? I'M COACH LEWIS. UH, BRYSON LEWIS, THE ATHLETIC COORDINATOR AND HEAD FOOTBALL COACH AT WT WHITE HIGH SCHOOL. UM, ONCE AGAIN, JUST A BLESSING AND A, AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS TODAY TO BE ABLE TO COME AND SPEAK ON BEHALF OF OUR SCHOOL, OUR COMMUNITY, AND OUR, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, OUR STUDENTS. UM, I'M A FIRM BELIEVER THAT OUR STUDENT ATHLETE, STUDENT EXPERIENCES EVERYTHING. UH, WE HAVE GREAT KIDS AT OUR SCHOOL, IN OUR COMMUNITY. UH, LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE GREAT SUPPORT BEING A B READY SCHOOL. KNOW, JUST THINKING ABOUT MS. WHAT MS. WING HAS DONE FOR THE COMMUNITY, OUR SUPPORTERS, MAN, JUST TO GIVE THOSE STUDENTS A, A, A NEXT LEVEL OPPORTUNITY. I THINK BRINGING LIGHTS TO OUR, TO OUR CAMPUS AND TO OUR FOOTBALL FIELD SERVES SO MANY OTHER PURPOSES FROM JUST ATHLETICS. BUT OUR FINE ARTS DEPARTMENT, UH, ALL OUR, OUR DRILL AND DANCE MAN, WE WANT TO INCREASE NUMBERS. LIKE WE HAVE AT LEAST 120 DRILL MEMBERS, A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED PLUS DANCERS LIKE THAT. THAT IS AMAZING TO SEE. UH, IT GIVES THEM OPPORTUNITY. UH, IT GIVES THEM A, A WAY OUT. AND I WANT TO, I WANT US TO UNDERSTAND THAT, MAN. HONESTLY, WE'VE BEEN BLESSED. WE'VE BEEN THE TOP RATED DALLAS ISD, UH, ATHLETIC PROGRAM FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS. BUT THE WAY WE'RE THINKING RIGHT NOW, NEXT LEVEL OPPORTUNE OPPORTUNITY AND IMPACT TO BE ONE OF THE BEST IN THE, IN THE, IN THE STATE, MAYBE EVEN THE COUNTRY, GIVING THEM LIGHTS, GIVING A, A, ANOTHER ACCESS TO THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. IS IT, IT GIVE US RANGE UNLIMITED, MAN. I WANT OUR KIDS TO HAVE AN UNLIMITED REACH FOR THEIR SUCCESS. UH, WE, WE, WE STRIVE FOR COMPETITIVE EXCELLENCE, UM, DAY IN, DAY OUT. IT GIVES US, UH, SO MUCH OPPORTUNITY. UH, WE DEFINITELY ALSO PLAN TO RESPECT OUR COMMUNITY. WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE PRACTICE AT 4:00 AM WHERE THE LIGHTS ARE ON. WE, WE GONNA, WE WANT, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK IN CERTAIN AREAS, MAN, FOR, FOR THE SUCCESS. 'CAUSE WE, WE ARE A COMMUNITY OF SUCCESS. UH, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STUDENT IS HELD FIRST, THOUGH, UH, THE STUDENT MAN, THOSE, THOSE, THOSE INDIVIDUALS, THOSE KIDS, MAN, THEY ARE STRIVING ABOVE AND BEYOND. AND I THINK THAT GIVING THEM THE BEST OPPORTUNITY, UH, IT'S A REASON WHY WE ALL ARE, ARE IN THE, IN THOSE JOBS AND THOSE OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE OF THOSE STUDENTS. UH, IT'S A BLESSING TO HAVE THEM. SO WHY NOT BLESS THEM WITH THE BEST THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY GIVE THEM. AND, UM, THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHERE WE STAND, UH, HOW WE SERVE OUR KIDS, UH, DAY IN AND DAY OUT AT WT WHITE. AND LIKE I SAID, I, I'M, I JUST APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO BE, BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON OUR BEHALF IN OUR SCHOOL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, MR. LEWIS, COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? THE ADDRESS, YOUR, YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. OH, RIVERSIDE, UH, 45 0 5 RIVERSIDE. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. UH, MY APOLOGIES. FOLKS, IF WE COULD JUST PLEASE BEGIN OUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. UH, NEXT SPEAKER PLEASE. WE HAVE ANY OTHER ONE HERE [02:20:01] THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEED BEFORE WE GO TO OUR FOLKS ONLINE LINE? OKAY. JORGE, IS MS. UH, WING ONLINE? OH, SHE JUST SPOKE. GOTCHA. UH, MR. LEWIS SPOKE SHAW. MS. SHAW NOT ONLINE. SHE'S TRYING ONLINE. PARDON ME? SHE'S TRYING ONLINE. SHE'S TRYING TO GET ONLINE? YEAH. OKAY. WE'LL, WE'LL PAUSE FOR JUST A FEW SECONDS. UH, SWITZER, CAN YOU UNMUTE HER? OKAY. WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS. GREAT. CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME? WE, WE CAN HEAR YOU, BUT OH, YOU ARE, PLEASE. THERE WE GO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY, GREAT. I DIDN'T ENJOY BEING MUTED. THANK YOU FOR UNMUTING ME . UM, THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS SARAH SHAW. I LIVE JUST TWO BLOCKS FROM WT WHITE HIGH SCHOOL. I HAVE A DAUGHTER WHO GRADUATED FROM THE DISD IN 2024, AND A NUMBER OF FAMILY MEMBERS, INCLUDING MY HUSBAND WHO GRADUATED FROM WT WHITE. OUR FAMILY HAS A LONG CONNECTION TO BOTH THE SCHOOL AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE SCHOOL'S REQUEST TO ADD LIGHTING AROUND THE PRACTICE FIELD. THIS REQUEST IS ABOUT FAR MORE THAN JUST CONVENIENCE. IT'S ABOUT SAFETY, STUDENT OPPORTUNITY, AND COMMUNITY BENEFIT FIRST. LIGHTING PROVIDES CRITICAL SAFETY PROTECTIONS. WE ALL KNOW THAT A WELL-LIT SPACE IS A SAFER SPACE. UNLIKE MOST NORTH TEXAS SCHOOLS. WT WHITE ALLOWS RESIDENTS TO USE THE TRACK WHEN STUDENTS ARE NOT PRESENT, BALANCING STUDENTS SAFETY. WITH NEIGHBORHOOD ACCESSIBILITY WITH ADDITIONAL LIGHTING, NEIGHBORS WILL BE ABLE TO USE THE TRACK SAFELY DURING THE DARKER EARLY MORNING AND EARLY EVENING HOURS IN THE FALL AND THE WINTER FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS RUN ALONE ON THE WTU WHITE TRACK IN THE DARK. THE WEST SIDE OF THAT TRACK THAT GETS NO LIGHT FROM WELCH IS VERY DARK. INDEED, PROPER LIGHTING WILL NOT ONLY MAKE THE TRACK FEEL SAFER, BUT IT WILL REDUCE THE RISK OF FALLS AND INJURIES AND FRANKLY HELP DETER LOITERING AND UNSAFE ACTIVITY AROUND THE GROUNDS. AGAIN, WE ALL KNOW A WELL-LIT SPACE IS A SAFER SPACE. SECOND, LIGHTING SUPPORTS OUR STUDENTS' ACADEMIC GROWTH AND HEALTH. WITH LIMITED DAYLIGHT, ATHLETIC TEAMS OFTEN STRUGGLE TO FIND ENOUGH TIME TO PRACTICE. IN FACT, STUDENTS CURRENTLY HAVE TO MISS CLASS INSTRUCTIONAL TIME JUST TO START GAMES EARLY ENOUGH BEFORE IT GETS DARK. LIGHTING ALLOWS 'EM TO STAY ACTIVE, TRAIN RESPONSIBLY, AND PARTICIPATE FULLY WITHOUT HAVING TO SACRIFICE ACADEMICS FOR ATHLETICS OR SAFETY FOR OPPORTUNITY. I MENTIONED THAT MY DAUGHTER IS A-D-I-S-D GRADUATE, BUT BOTH OF MY CHILDREN ATTENDED PRIVATE CATHOLIC SCHOOLS IN THE AREA AS WELL. DURING THEIR YEARS IN PRIVATE SCHOOL, THEY NEVER HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN ACADEMICS AND ATHLETICS, AND BETWEEN SAFETY AND OPPORTUNITY. THE KIDS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, PUBLIC SCHOOLS SHOULDN'T HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THOSE THINGS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD A PRIVATE EDUCATION. THIRD, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE CONCERNS OF NEARBY RESIDENTS WHO IN MANY INSTANCES ARE MY NEIGHBORS AND MY FRIENDS. THE SCHOOL'S PLAN USES 70 FOOT LIGHT POLES DESIGNED TO FOCUS ILLUMINATION DIRECTLY ON THE FIELD. THESE LIGHT FIXTURES HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS LIGHT BLEED THAN EVEN THE STREETLIGHTS ON WELCH MEANING NA MEANING THAT OUR NEIGHBORING HOMES WILL EXPERIENCE MINIMAL IMPACT WHEN COMBINED WITH A REASONABLE EVENING SHUTOFF TIME. THIS TECHNOLOGY WILL PROTECT THE COMMUNITY'S PEACE WHILE GIVING STUDENTS AND NEIGHBORHOOD FAMILIES THE BENEFIT OF SAFE, WELL-LIT FACILITIES. IN CLOSING, LET'S REMEMBER THAT THESE KIDS DESERVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY OPPORTUNITIES AS KIDS ATTENDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD PRIVATE SCHOOLS TO FULLY PARTICIPATE IN EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES WITHOUT SACRIFICING THEIR EDUCATION. AND LET'S ALSO REMEMBER THAT THE TRACK IS A SHARED COMMUNITY RESOURCE LIGHTING ENSURES THIS PUBLIC SPACE CAN BE SAFELY ENJOYED. THANKS YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. IS, UH, MS. WOODSON ONLINE? NOT ONLINE. HOW ABOUT, UH, WE HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION. MS. FENT NOT ONLINE. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? YES, MA'AM. PLEASE COME ON DOWN. GOOD AFTERNOON. HI, MY NAME IS MARY FENT. I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET AT 46 0 6 GULF STREAM. SO RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE FOOTBALL FIELD. UM, I THANK YOU FOR THE CHANCE TO SPEAK TODAY. UM, AND I SHOULD JUST STATE I AM NOT A PUBLIC SPEAKER. I'M TOTALLY OUTTA MY COMFORT ZONE. I HAVE A THOUSAND THINGS I'D [02:25:01] RATHER BE DOING THAN BE HERE TODAY, BUT I DO THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. UM, I GUESS THE FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS I REALLY, I'M KIND OF STUNNED THAT WE'RE HERE BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY PUTTING THESE, THESE LIGHTS UP, WHY DOES THAT CON CONSTITUTE A MINOR AMENDMENT AND HOW DOES THIS LIGHT, THE, THE PROPOSAL THAT IS FROM NOW, 6:00 AM TILL 10:00 PM HOW DOES THAT NOT CHANGE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE SCHOOL AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD? SO THAT'S KINDA MY FIRST POINT. LIKE I, I REALLY, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE COULD GO FROM A FIELD THAT HAS BEEN UNLIT FOR 40 YEARS TO NOW SUDDENLY ONE THAT'S LIT ALL THE TIME, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 365 DAYS A YEAR. UM, AND I WILL ADMIT THAT THERE ARE JUST TWO OF US HERE TODAY. AND YOU MIGHT BE SAYING, WELL, WHY ARE THERE MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT HERE IN OPPOSITION? AND I WOULD POSE THAT MY NEIGHBORS, WITH FEW EXCEPTION DO NOT KNOW THAT THIS IS A ZONING EXCEPTION, A ZONING ISSUE. THERE HAS BEEN ZERO SIGNAGE. UM, THERE'S MINIMAL NOTIFICATION THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE QUESTIONED. UM, THERE'S MORE SIGNAGE ABOUT A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS ISSUE THAT'S GOING ON IN THE CORNER OF FOREST AND WELCH. THERE ARE TWO SIGNS UP IN THAT YARD THERE. AGAIN, ZERO SIGNAGE. IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE A MEMBER OF THIS FACEBOOK GROUP WHERE THE C COMMUNITY MEETING WAS POSTED, THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE KNOWN THAT THERE WAS A SOMETHING GOING ON. BUT THERE'S BEEN NO, I WASN'T EVEN NOTIFIED OF THE MEETING. I HAD TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO WAS A MEMBER OF THAT GROUP SEND ME A SCREENSHOT OF IT. SO I, I POSE THAT THERE HAS NOT BEEN SIGNIFICANT NOTIFICATION TO ANYBODY AND THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE ZONING. UM, THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THAT THE USAGE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT GOING FROM NO LIGHTING OR MINIMAL LIGHTING ON THE FIELD TO WHAT I UNDERSTAND TO BE SEVEN DAY A WEEK, 6:00 AM TO 10:00 PM LIGHTING, WHICH INCLUDES BOTH SCHOOL USAGE AND COMMUNITY USAGE. AND I ASK, HOW IS THIS NOT A CHANGE TO THE CURRENT ZONING AND WHAT'S IN THE, THE PD? IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING BOTH SCHOOL AND COMMUNITY USAGE. AND CURRENTLY IT'S ZONED AS A SCHOOL. AND I, I ADMIT THAT MY FAMILY HAS IN THE PAST LIKED TO USE THE FIELD. BUT AGAIN, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE CHANGED THE WHOLE DYNAMIC BY LIGHTING IT AND MAKING IT 6:00 AM TO 10:00 PM UM, SO ALONG THOSE SAME LINES, ARE WE NOW ANNOUNCING TO THE CITY THAT ANY SCHOOL THAT HAS A FIELD LIGHTING IT IS FAIR GAME. IS THAT, THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. UM, CAN I SAY ONE LAST THING? SURE. PLEASE COMPLETE YOUR THOUGHT. UM, MY FINAL THOUGHT IS CAN WE PLEASE JUST PUT SOME CONDITIONS IN WRITING IN THEIR ZONING TO PUT LIMITS ON TIME AND USAGE? THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR FILLING OUT THE L CARD. GOOD AFTERNOON. HI. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FORMALLY PLANNED FOR WRITING AND I'M NOT A, LIKE A SPEAKER, BUT LIKE MS. SHAW WHO'S ONLINE, I'M A-D-I-S-D PARENT. MY DAUGHTER WENT TO EDIE WALKER AND TO BOOKER T WASHINGTON. AND ANYONE AT BOOKER T WILL TELL YOU I AM A-D-I-S-D VOLUNTEER. I VOLUNTEERED HUNDREDS OF HOURS OUTSIDE AND INSIDE THE SCHOOL, EVERYBODY KNOWS ME. AND, UM, MY HUSBAND AND I LIVE HALF A BLOCK FROM WT WHITE. MY HUSBAND IS VERY THANKFUL THAT WE ARE NOW ABLE TO USE A TRACK. ONCE AGAIN, HE HAD A BIG STUMBLE ON THE SIDEWALK WHEN IT WAS CLOSED TO US. HE'S CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE TO TALK 'CAUSE HE'S OUT OF TOWN. BUT, UM, WE ARE FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE SCHOOL USING IT FOR STUDENTS. WE DON'T NECESSARILY THINK IT'S NECESSARY FOR THE COMMUNITY. MY HUSBAND RUNS AT 5:00 AM IN THE MORNING. HE SEES NO REASON FOR THERE TO BE LIGHTS AT THAT POINT IN TIME. HE ALSO TALKED TO THE WOMAN WHO WAS NOT NOTIFIED OF THE COMMUNITY MEETING FOR REGARDS TO THE LIGHTING, WHO WAS THE ONE THAT WAS REALLY IN SUPPORT OF THE COMMUNITY USING THE TRACK. AND SHE ALSO DID NOT FEEL THERE WAS A NEED FOR LIGHT TO BE ON THE TRACK. WHEN THEY USE IT IN THE MORNING. SHE, SHE OKAY WITH THE SCHOOL USING IT FOR STUDENTS. BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN WRITING THAT SAYS YOU CAN ONLY HAVE THE LIGHTS ON FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. AND MY CONCERN IS IT'S GONNA BE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 24 7. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW THEY DO. 'CAUSE THEY HAD LIGHTS ON THE PRACTICE FIELD THAT WERE ON AT NIGHT FOR, AND THEY NEVER TURNED THEM OFF. EVEN WHEN THEY WERE TOLD THEY'RE ON, THIS LADY HAD IN THE BACK, BACK OF HER ROOM IN HER, SHE COULDN'T SLEEP AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT WAS BOTHERING HER. AND HERE LEMME SAY, SORRY. WE ALSO TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE WERE GIVEN IT TO GO VISIT WOODROW WILSON WHERE THEY DO HAVE THE LIGHTS. THEY'VE HAD THE LIGHTS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. THEY HAVEN'T USED IT. THEY ACTUALLY TURNED 'EM ON FOR US SO WE COULD SEE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE. SO THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, BOOKER T TO HAVE, I MEAN, NOT BOOKER [02:30:01] T, BUT WTY TO HAVE 'EM ON CONSISTENTLY. SO WE'RE OKAY WITH THEM USING IT WHEN NEEDED. BUT IF IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF WINTER AND NO SPORTS GOING ON, WE DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE ON, EVEN IF THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE 'EM UNTIL EIGHT, IF THEY'RE NOT PRACTICING SOCCER, IF THEY'RE FINISHED AT SIX, CLOSE 'EM OFF AT SIX. THAT'S OUR POINT. YOU KNOW, USE 'EM AS NEEDED. DON'T HAVE A REGULAR SCHEDULED TIME FOR THEM TO BE ON. AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO SAY. SORRY, I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL SPEAKER. UH, YOU, YOU DID GREAT, MA'AM. COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? SORRY. NO, FINE. I'M MARIE LOUISE VAN HUMMEL. AND I'M 4 6 2 3 GULFSTREAM DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 4 4. THANKS. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? OKAY, PER OUR RULES, THE APPLICANT GETS A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL. MR. CURRY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE IT, SIR? UM, ALL I WOULD JUST SAY, AND I AS, UM, ONE, AGAIN, I, I APPRECIATE, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD AGAIN. AND I ALSO APPRECIATE THE TWO SPEAKERS THAT CAME AND SPOKE IN OPPOSITION. UH, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MEET WITH THEM AND TALK WITH THEM. AND, YOU KNOW, I, I MADE A COMMENT AT THE PUBLIC COMMUNITY MEETING LAST WEEK THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M AN ATTORNEY AND I TRY VERY HARD NOT TO PRACTICE FAMILY LAW OR RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT MUCH YOU'RE MORE PASSIONATE ABOUT THAN YOUR CHILDREN, UH, IN YOUR HOME. AND, AND THAT'S THE SITUATION WE'RE IN. WE'RE HAVING A SITUATION IN WHICH HOW, YOU KNOW, HELPING STUDENTS AND ALSO BALANCING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, UH, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THOSE, UH, UH, PASSIONS ARE HIGH. UH, AND I VERY MUCH RESPECT THOSE THAT HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW. I JUST FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF BOTH THE STUDENTS AND THE COMMUNITY AND THEIR ACCESS. UM, AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY TO BALANCE IT IN A WAY THAT IS FAIR FOR BOTH OF THOSE INTERESTS. UH, THAT'S WHY WE ARE GOING TO LIMIT THE TIMES TO SIX TO 10:00 PM UH, AND, UH, APPRECIATE AGAIN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, COMMISSIONERS PER OUR NEW RULES, COMMISSIONER HALL, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? I DO. MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. IN CASE NUMBER MZ 25 0 0 0 0 2 7, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT LANDSCAPE PLAN IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. AND IF I MAY I HAVE A COMMENT? YOU DO HAVE A, A SECOND COMMISSIONER WHEELER. THANKS FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER HALL? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, AS WE POINTED OUT THIS MORNING IN, IN BRIEFING, THIS IS A MINISTERIAL CASE REQUIRING ONLY A YES OR NO VOTE. UP OR DOWN. WE, WE CANNOT AMEND THE PD NOR CAN WE ALTER THE SUBMITTED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THE SUBJECTIVE QUESTION IS THAT, DOES THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN ALTER THE FUNDAMENTAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY? AND EACH OF YOU AROUND THE HORSESHOE HERE HAS TO VOTE ON THAT? MY MOTION FOR APPROVAL INDICATES MY BELIEF THAT IT DOES NOT, AND THE STAFF'S REPORTS INDICATES THEIR BELIEF THAT IT DOES NOT. SO THEREFORE, I HOPE THAT THE COMMISSION WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION. DISD IS UPGRADING ALL MAJOR CAMPUSES TO IMPROVE THEIR ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING. I BELIEVE THEY'RE WORKING WITH EIGHT DIFFERENT SCHOOLS AT THIS TIME. THE UPGRADES OF A GREAT IMPORTANCE TO THE STUDENTS IN DISD AND BENEFITS TO THE SCHOOL AND NEARBY COMMUNITIES. THESE WILL ALSO BRING DISD, UH, CAMPUSES INTO PARITY WITH THE SUBURBAN SCHOOLS AND WITH THE MANY PRIVATE SCHOOLS IN THE DISTRICT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HALL? I HAVE A ACTUALLY A QUESTION. MR. CURRY QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR. SO, UN UNFORTUNATELY, OUR OUR RULES ARE PRETTY STRICT IN THOSE THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER, AND I KNOW THAT THEY GO BY REALLY FAST. AND, UH, FROM YOUR COMMENTS, YOU MENTIONED THE HOURS. UH, SO I'M HOPING THAT YOU COULD GIVE US A LITTLE CONTEXT INTO HOW YOU, YOU GUYS CAME UP WITH THE, THE TIME LIMIT, I THINK YOU SAID FROM SIX TO 10. YES. I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS FROM TALKING TO CHIEF ALFORD, THAT THEY MAY NEED TO COME UP AND, AND ADD SOME COLOR THAT THAT IS, UM, UH, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING AT OTHER DISTRICT, OTHER SCHOOLS IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. UM, WE HAVE OPENED UP THE COMMUNITY HOURS DURING THE WEEKDAYS FROM 4:00 AM TO NINE, UM, PM UM, I ASKED THE MEETING CHIEF ALFORD TO EXPLAIN IF IT'S CLOSED AT NINE, WHY DO WE NEED THE LIGHTS TILL 10? AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS IT'S TO CLEAR THE FIELD TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE CAN LEAVE SAFELY AND BE ABLE TO SEE. UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY EVEN THOUGH IT'S OPEN AT 4:00 AM THAT'S JUST TOO EARLY TO HAVE LIGHTS ON PERSONALLY. UH, AND SO I I AGREE WITH HIS ASSESSMENT THAT THAT'S A MUCH MORE REASONABLE TIME IS 6:00 AM RATHER THAN 4:00 AM. AND AND THAT'S PRETTY COMMON FOR SCHOOLS, ISN'T IT? THAT, UH, THERE'S THAT, THAT ONE HOUR AT THE TIME LIMIT THERE THAT WE ALLOW FOLKS TO USE THE [02:35:01] LIGHTS TO GET INTO THEIR CARS AND, YOU KNOW, PICK UP ET CETERA. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. YES, SIR. AND, UH, THOSE HOURS OF OPERATION, WERE THEY A RESULT OF, OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS? UH, THEY WERE A RESULT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS. THEY POSTED, UH, ON FRONT OF THE, UM, UH, TRACK NOW AS WELL. UM, AND YOU WE'RE ALWAYS ABLE, WILLING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS. BUT, UH, THOSE WERE SOME DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'D HAD WITH SEVERAL THAT WERE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT MAKING SURE IT WAS OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, UM, DURING THOSE HOURS, BUT DURING DAYLIGHT HOURS, ARE THE LIGHTS ON OR THEY ARE OFF DOING THE LATE, THE EXTRA DAYLIGHT HOURS, SAY IN SCHOOL, DURING SCHOOL TIME OR SAY, UM, SAY 7:00 AM 8:00 AM 7:00 AM TO, UM, WHAT WINTER MONTH, SAY 5 36 O'CLOCK? WHAT, WHAT TIME DO THEY TURN ON AND OFF? UH, THEY DO TURN ON AND OFF. I I, I, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO THE TECHNOLOGY, BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE AS, AS A PERSON WHO'S A STEWARD OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS, MYSELF, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'D HAVE LIGHTS ON ALL DAY LONG WHEN IT'S DAYLIGHT OUTSIDE. SO I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE GONNA CHANGE SORT OF THEIR OPERATION. YOU WANNA ANSWER THAT, BRENT? YEAH. AND, AND I'M ASKING THAT BECAUSE THIS WANNA MAKE CLARIFICATION SO THAT WE ALL WOULD KNOW THAT EVEN THOUGH THOSE ARE THE HOURS, THOSE ARE NOT THE HOURS THAT NECESSARILY THE LIGHTS ARE NOT ON THOSE WHOLE HOURS. YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. I'M BRENT ALFRED, CHIEF CONSTRUCTION OFFICER FOR DALLAS AS D 9,400 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY. UH, 7 5 2 3 1. UH, YES. UH, YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN ME HERE BEFORE. UH, WE'RE DOING IT AT SEVERAL CAMPUSES ACROSS THE DISTRICT, AND IT'S ONLY WHEN NEEDED DURING THOSE LATE TWILIGHT HOURS, UH, IN THE MORNING AND IN THE AFTERNOON. UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT GETTING DARK UNTIL ABOUT EIGHT 30, BUT TIME IS ABOUT TO CHANGE. SO I ANTICIPATE AROUND SEVEN 30. BUT YEAH, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE WE'VE BOUGHT TO THE CPC SO FAR. AND, AND, UM, THE SCHOOLS THAT HAVE INSTALLED THOSE, I DID. WHEN YOU WERE INSTALLING AT LINCOLN HIGH SCHOOL, I, I PERSONALLY, BEFORE WE VOTED, I WENT TO SOC WHO WAS, THAT HAD KIND OF SIMILAR BACKGROUND AND LOOKED AT THOSE LIGHTS THAT THEY WERE LITERALLY JUST ON THE FIELD AND NOT ALL OVER. UM, HOW HAVE THE DATA FOR AROUND THOSE SCHOOLS THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY INSTALLED AND HOW SAFETY, HOW HAS IT ENHANCED SAFETY? IT'S BEEN WELCOMED BY THE COMMUNITY. EVEN OUR MOST, MOST VOCAL OPPONENTS IN THE BEGINNING, UH, THEY HAVE BECOME SUPPORTIVE OF OURS. UH, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED NOT ONE CITY COMPLAINT WHERE ANYWHERE WE'VE INSTALLED THESE LIGHTS SO FAR. OKAY. AND I'M SUPPORT. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTONE, FOLLOW THAT. COMMISSIONER HERBERT, ARE THE LIGHTS ON A TIMER OR DOES SOMEBODY ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY OPERATE THEM? UH, IT'S ON A TIMER, BUT THERE'S A KEY SWITCH OVERRIDE. SO WE, WE, WE DO PUT IT ON AUTO TIMER. IS IT THE PRACTICE OF THE DISTRICT TO TURN OFF THE LIGHTS AT THE END OF THE EVENING WHEN EVERYTHING'S CLEARED OR IS THERE, I I GUESS I'M TRYING TO ADDRESS THE CONCERN OF THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY NOT BE ON IF YOU'RE NOT USING THE FACILITY. YEAH, THE CAMPUS HAS THE ABILITY WITH A KEY TO MANUALLY TURN IT OFF. UH, WE ALSO GIVE THEM AN APP THAT I CAN ALSO SEE IN CONTROL AND, AND SEE THE TIME SCHEDULE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE OFF, UH, NOT EXCEEDING THE TIME LIMIT. ARE THERE ANY DAYS OF THE WEEK THAT THE LIGHTS ARE NOT GOING TO BE PROGRAMMED TO BE ON SUNDAY? SUNDAY? OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HERBERT FLYING BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTONS. SO, AND ANY ONE OF THESE GENTLEMEN CAN HAVE ANSWER THIS. UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF SCHOOLS IN THE DISTRICT THAT HAVE FIELDS WHO DON'T HAVE LIGHTING. WE'VE SEEN SOME PD, SOME COME ACROSS THE TILL AND LIGHTING WASN'T AN ISSUE. AND I HEARD YOU SAY YOU'RE WORKING ON EIGHT OTHER SCHOOLS. WILL, WILL DISD HAVE A OVERALL APPROACH TO LIGHTING AT, UM, AT SCHOOLS LIKE MADISON LINCOLN? YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON ONE OF OUR INTERNAL POLICIES AND REGULATIONS, SO WE'RE CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD. BUT ANYTIME I'M DOING A BUILDING ADDITION OR BUILDING A NEW CAMPUS, I'M INCLUDING NEW LANGUAGE IN THE PDS. UH, BUT RIGHT NOW I HAVE A LOT OF EXISTING PDS THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT, SO EACH ONE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND A LITTLE VARIED. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. THANK YOU. UM, I THINK THIS MAY BE FOR, UH, THE TRUSTEE. I HEARD YOU MENTION THAT YOU ALL ARE WORKING ON THE LETTER TO CODIFY, UM, THE HOURS OF OPERATION. THIS IS A MINOR AMENDMENT, SO WE HAVE NO ABILITY TO HAVE THAT WITHIN WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TODAY. UM, BUT THERE ARE OTHER TOOLS, UM, THAT CAN BE UTILIZED, UM, SUCH AS A GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S OFFICE THAT MAKE THAT, UM, SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY IS A PARTY TO. IS THAT ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE INVESTIGATED OR THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO CONTINUE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS? UH, I HAD, UM, SOMEONE MENTION A GOOD NEIGHBOR MENTOR TO ME YESTERDAY FOR THE FIRST TIME. I HAD TO GOOGLE WHAT THAT WAS. AND SO IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE'RE OPEN TO EXPLORING. THE OTHER THINGS THAT CHIEF OFFERED AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IS I DO HAVE THE ABILITY THROUGH, UM, THE DALLAS SCHOOL BOARD TO, UH, ENACT POLICY AND TO SEE IF WE CAN [02:40:01] HAVE SOME SITE SPECIFIC POLICY OR PERHAPS EVEN DISTRICT WIDE POLICY RELATED TO LIGHTS LIKE THIS. THOSE ARE CERTAIN THINGS WE'RE EXPLORING WHAT WE WANTED TO DO, UH, IN THE TIME ALLOTTED THAT WE COULD WAS, UH, TO ONE, TO SAY PUBLICLY IN A RECORDED MEETING THAT ALL CAN SEE THAT OUR INTENT IS TO HAVE THE LIGHTS FROM 6:00 AM TO 10:00 PM AS NEEDED, NOT ALL THE TIME. SO THAT PEOPLE CAN PLAY THAT BACK FOR US ANYTIME THEY NEED TO, TO HOLD US TO TASK TO THAT, AND THEN TO PUT OUT A LETTER TO THE COMMUNITY TO THAT EFFECT AS SOON AS WE CAN. AND THAT WE ARE CERTAINLY OPEN TO OTHERS. AND, UH, IT'S JUST, UH, I'VE GOTTA EDUCATE MYSELF A LITTLE BIT MORE ON WHAT THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ARE. THANK YOU. AND I THINK I HEARD THESE ARE THE NEW, WHAT I'M GONNA CALL THE NEW, UM, LIGHTING POLES THAT YOU ALL ARE INSTALLING. WE'VE HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THOSE AND JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THEY'RE, THEY ADDRESS DARK SKY, THEY'RE ONLY ANGLED TOWARDS THE FIELD, THEY MITIGATE LIGHT BLEED. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD IS ONE OF THE, I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, BUT A PRIMARY CONSIDERATION FOR THOSE, UM, CONCERNED ABOUT THIS REQUEST. YEAH, SO CHIEF ALVAR DID A GREAT PRESENTATION AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING LAST WEEK, SORT OF TALKING ABOUT HOW THE LIGHT MEASUREMENTS MEASURE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW BASICALLY EVERY HOME AROUND IT, THE LIGHT MEASURE WILL MEASURE LESS THAN THE STREET LAMPS THAT ARE ON THE STREET IS, IS WHAT THE SCIENCE IS TELLING US. AND SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE. YES, I, I HAVE DIFFICULTY SUPPORTING THE MOTION BECAUSE OF THE MINOR AMENDMENT PROCESS. I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE LIGHTS, BUT I MEAN, AS YOU CAN TELL FROM THE CONVERSATION, WE CONSISTENTLY GO THROUGH THIS SAME CONVERSATION EACH AND EVERY TIME WE HAVE, UM, MODIFICATIONS PROPOSED TO AN ATHLETIC FIELD AS A MINOR BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OUR INSTINCT AND EVEN YOUR INSTINCT IS THAT CONDITIONS ARE NECESSARY TO MAKE THESE COMPATIBLE, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE MINOR AMENDMENT PROCESS DOES NOT ALLOW US TO DO THAT. I PERSONALLY WISH THAT THESE WERE NOT MINOR AMENDMENTS. YOU KNOW, IT'S MY SUBJECTIVE DETERMINATION THAT THIS DOES ALTER THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO MY VOTE WILL BE NO, NOT BECAUSE I'M OPPOSED TO YOUR LIGHTS, BUT I JUST WISH THAT WE HANDLED THIS DIFFERENTLY. I THINK IT WOULD BE A BETTER OUTCOME FOR ALL OF US, BETTER RELATIONS BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE SCHOOLS. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING. THANK YOU. THAT'S TRUE. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S COMMENT. UM, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AND I THINK WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME IS IN MY LAST SIX YEARS ON THE PLAN COMMISSION IS, IS LEARNING HOW MUCH THESE FIELD LIGHTS HAVE ADVANCED. THEY AREN'T YOUR, YOUR FATHER'S LIGHTS THAT BLEED ALL OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEY REALLY ARE EFFECTIVELY CONTAINED TO THE SITE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S CRITICAL TO ME IN DETERMINING WHETHER THEY ALTERED THE RELATIONSHIP. UM, AND I DO BELIEVE THE MINOR AMENDMENT CRITERIA ARE MET HERE, SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? UH, SEE NONE. WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER HALL, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WILL WHEELER TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ONE IN OPPOSITION. MOTION PASSES [3. 25-2721A An application for a development plan and landscape plan on property zoned Tract C, D & F within Planned Development District No. 750, on the northwest corner of North Central Expressway and Walnut Hill Lane.] TO CASE NUMBER THREE. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS D 2 23 DASH 0 0 7. IT'S APPLICATION FOR A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND A LANDSCAPE PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONE TRACK, CD AND E WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT SEVEN 50 ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AND WALNUT LANE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD? GOOD AFTERNOON. HELLO, VICTORIA MORRIS WITH JACKSON WALKER, 2323 ROSS AVENUE, SUITE 600. I WILL KEEP THIS VERY BRIEF. UH, AS MS. BLUE MENTIONED, WE UPDATED OUR DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO REMOVE THE ROAD ON THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE LARGE OPEN SPACE. THE LARGE OPEN SPACE IS NOW 3.41 ACRES IN EXCESS OF THE MINIMUM REQUIRED THREE ACRES UNDER THE PD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. BLUE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONER SIMS, FOR ALL OF YOUR HELP TO GET US HERE. WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OR APPROVAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, EITHER IN FOUR OR IN OPPOSITION? IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY, NO WISHES OR SPEAKERS LINE. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER SIMS? I DO. MR. CHAIR IN THE CASE OF CA IN THE MATTER OF CASE NUMBER D 2 2 3 DASH 0 0 7, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT AS BRIEFED BY STAFF. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIMS FOR YOUR MOTION. AND COMMISSIONER HAACK FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS. DISCUSSION PLEASE. VERY BRIEFLY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSION FOR THEIR PATIENCE WITH THIS. I BELIEVE THIS MATTER'S BEEN BEFORE US MY ENTIRE TIME ON THE COMMISSION, BUT [02:45:01] IT IS, IT IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW, UH, AN APPLICANT AND NEIGHBORHOOD CAN WORK TOGETHER TO COME TO A RESULT THAT'S ACCEPTABLE FOR ALL OF US AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIMS. UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS SEE AND NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. [Zoning Cases - Consent] LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE NOW MOVING TO OUR ZONING CASES. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS CONSISTENT OF ITEMS FOUR THROUGH 10, UH, AT THIS POINT, CASES 5, 6, 7, I BELIEVE EIGHT. EIGHT CAME ON. NO, EIGHT CAME BACK ON. EIGHT CAME BACK ON. OKAY. FOUR AND NINE. UH, AT THIS POINT, ONLY CASES FOUR AND NINE ARE LEFT ON THE CONSENT AND WILL BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION UNLESS THERE'S SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON CASE NUMBER FOUR OR NUMBER NINE. AND IF SO, THEN WE WILL PULL IT OFF CONSENT AND WE WILL VOTE ON IT, UH, ON ITS OWN. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON CASE NUMBER FOUR OR CASE NUMBER NINE? IT'S CASE NUMBER FOUR ON PAGE FOUR OF THE AGENDA IN CASE NUMBER NINE. ANYONE HERE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON EITHER OF THOSE TWO CASES? YES SIR. WHICH CASE WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ON? SORRY. UH, MY NAME IS ADAM GADDIS. ADDRESS IS TEN FOUR FIVE NINE WOODLE DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 7. UH, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM, OR I'M CASE FOUR, WHAT DOES CONSENT MEAN IN THIS CASE? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR QUESTION, SIR. UH, WHAT DOES CONSENT MEAN? IN CONSENT MEANS THAT THEY, THEY'RE VOTED ON AND FOLLOWED WHATEVER THE RECOMMENDATION WAS FROM STAFF. GOT IT. THANK YOU. YOU BET. UH, ANYONE ELSE? FOUR OR NOT? OKAY. WE'LL GET THOSE READY INTO THE RECORD PLEASE. ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS Z DASH 25 0 0 0 4 1. IT'S A APPLICATION FOR A TH THREE TOWNHOUSE SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE R FIVE, SINGLE FAMILY SUB-DISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 5 95. UH, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF COLLIN AVENUE BETWEEN CARTER STREET AND TROY STREET. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. ITEM NUMBER NINE IS Z 2 45 DASH ONE 20 IS ALSO Z DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 1 50. IT IS A APPLICATION FOR A-F-R-T-N RESIDENTIAL TRANSITION, TRANSITIONAL SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE R FIVE SINGLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95. THE SOUTH DALLAS FIRE PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT IS ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF HAMILTON ROAD AND NORTHEAST OF FOREMAN STREET. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z TWO FIVE DASH 0 0 0 0 4 1 AND Z 2 45 DASH 20? I MOVE TO FILE A STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO, YEAH, JUST APPROVAL. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER WHEELER? UH, YOUR MIC, YOUR MIC. MAKE SURE YOUR MIC IS ON PLEASE. UM, THESE ARE PRACTICALLY IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD. WHY WASN'T A-F-T-R-F-R-T-N NOT RECOMMENDED FOR THE FOUR? THEY'RE IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD WITHIN STREETS WE GO. I, SO I, I CAN TRY AND SPEAK TO IT. UM, IN THE CASE OF THE TH THAT ONE ONE WAS FILED AS A TH I THINK RIGHT NOW THAT CASE ACTUALLY HAS A DUPLEX ON SITE. I THINK THE TH UM, MAINLY THE APPLICANT MAINTAINS INTENDS TO MAINTAIN THEIR, THEIR DUPLEX AS THEY'VE STATED. THAT'S KIND OF THE PRIMARY THING. UH, WE TRY NOT TO USE ARTICLE 13 FOR, FOR KIND OF NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES. IT'S, IT'S BETTER FOR, FOR NEW BUILDS IS IS, IS ONE THING I WOULD SAY. UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S MAINLY WHAT THE APPLICANT'S PLANNING TO DO. ALRIGHT, BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THAT WERE ALREADY BUILT AS A DUPLEX, BUT SOME KIND OF WAY THE ZONING REVERTED TO R FIVE AND SHOULD HAVE MAINTAINED THEIR NON, THEIR DUPLEX INSTEAD OF BEING A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE. [02:50:01] THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER C? NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYE. [5. 25-2723A An application for MU-1 Mixed Use District on property zoned NO(A) Neighborhood Office District, on the northeast line of 635 LBJ Fwy between Abrams Road and Greenville Avenue.] HAVE IT. WE'LL GO TO CASE NUMBER FIVE. UH, ITEM FIVE Z 25 83. AN APPLICATION FOR MU ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT ON PROPERTIES ZONE, NO NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF 6 35 LBJ FREEWAY BETWEEN BROWNS ROAD AND GREENVILLE AVENUE STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE HEARD? YES, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR. EVERYBODY. PAR MALIK WITH ICK LAW FIRM 92 41 LBJ DATA 7 5 2 4 3 I BELIEVE. UH, UH, UH, CHAIRPERSON, UH, UH, TIPTON HAS SOME AMENDMENT TO THE, UH, CASE HERE. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF I HAVE THAT I CAN READ IT OVER. UH, YEAH. UM, WELL, MR. MALIK, IF YOU COULD JUST, UH, MAYBE GIVE A 62ND OVERVIEW OF, OF WHY, UH, THIS IS ZONING CHANGE, UH, IS, IS NEEDED ON THIS, UH, THIS EXISTING PROPERTY. SURE. WONDERFUL. SO THE PROPERTY'S LOCATED, UH, AT 92 41 LBJ BETWEEN ABRAMS AND GREENVILLE. IT IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF, UH, LYNDON B JOHNSON FREEWAY. IT'S A TWO STORY OFFICE BUILDING AND IT'S ALMOST 28,000 SQUARE FEET OF, UH, SPACE, ROUGHLY AROUND 26,000 SPACE OF LEASING SPACE IN THERE. UH, THE, UH, ZONING CHANGE AT THE MOMENT IS OFFICE NOA WITH PRIMARILY 10 OR 11 USES BY RIGHT. UH, THE VACANCY IN THE BUILDING IS ALMOST 70%, 80%. IN ORDER TO BRING THAT, UH, CAPACITY TO AT LEAST 85, 90%, WE NEED A ZONING THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE AND USE MORE USAGE IN THE BUILDING. NOW, WE ALL KNOW THAT AFTER COVID, WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS DROP IN, UH, THE, UH, OCCUPANCY FOR VARIOUS OF REASONS. AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST REASON WAS PEOPLE WORKING FROM HOMES. THIS AREA IN PARTICULAR IS ALSO INUNDATED BY HOMELESS POPULATION. IT'S A VERY, VERY, UH, UH, CRIME INFESTED AREA ALSO. SO THEREFORE THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY INVESTED IN THE PROPERTY, ALMOST TO THE TUNE OF $1.6 MILLION IN BUDGET TO BRING IT TO, UH, TO A LEVEL WHERE WE CAN HAVE PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, UH, THAT CAN RENT THE SPACE OUT THERE. SO THAT ISN'T GIST, UH, THAT WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INVESTMENT WE ARE TRYING TO DO AND TO BRING THE OCCUPANCY, UH, TO THOSE LEVELS OUT THERE. SO THAT MU ONE WILL GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD MORE TENANTS INTO THE BUILDING AND PROBABLY BRING MORE. SO FOR, FOR THAT MATTER. THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, FENCING IS GOING ON. THE BUILDING HAS BEEN PAINTED RIGHT NOW. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT IS GOING INSIDE THE BUILDING AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MONEY'S INVESTED. WE CAN HAVE SOME SORT OF A RETURN AND ALSO A PRESENTABLE BUILDING IN THE AREA. THAT PARTICULAR STRIP IS A, UH, AND I WAS TALKING TO MR. TIPTON ABOUT IT BEFORE, UH, IS SURROUNDED BY HUSTLER BOOKSTORES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF SOMETHING THAT WE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE AND BRING THE, UH, OFFICE ENVIRONMENT, UH, TO A LEVEL WHICH IS MORE ATTRACTIVE TO PROFESSIONALS, UH, IN THE INDUSTRY. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, TONY. UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, EITHER IN SUPPORT OR IN OPPOSITION? SEE NONE. COMMISSIONER HOUSEMAN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? UH, YES. IF, WELL, I CAN MAKE A MOTION, BUT I KINDA LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT ONE OTHER QUESTION. IF I, IF I MAY, OR YOU WANT, YOU WANT MY MOTION PLEASE? THE MOTION FIRST, THEN WE CAN GO. YES. HAVE TO DO THAT. UM, IN THE MATTER OF, UH, Z 25 DASH 83, I MOVE, UH, THAT WE FILE A STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, UM, WITH, UM, DEED RESTRICTION AS VOLUNTEERED AT THE PODIUM BY THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, UH, HOUSE RANK FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, UH, FOR YOUR SECOND. AND, AND I CAN ONLY GUESS WHAT QUESTION YOU'RE ABOUT TO ASK, BUT PLEASE GO AHEAD AND ASK IT. MR. MELIK, YOU AND I BOTH DISCUSSED THE, OUR, OUR OPINION THAT WE BOTH HOLD THAT A, UH, CONVENIENCE STORE SELLING ALCOHOL WOULD SIMPLY NOT BE APPROPRIATE AT THIS PROPERTY AND THIS ZONING CHANGE [02:55:01] WOULD OPEN UP THAT POSSIBILITY. AND I BELIEVE THAT YOU WERE, UH, WILLING TO, UH, DEED RESTRICT AGAINST A, UM, GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE LESS THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET. IS THAT CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. UM, SO DOES MR. MALIK NEED TO MAKE ANY FURTHER STATEMENT, OR IS DO, DO YOU HAVE ACTUALLY A COPY OF THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU? UH, COUNCIL, UH, COMMISSIONER TIPTON HAS GIVEN ME A DRAFT OF THAT. THAT'S ALL. UH, BUT IT'S ON MY PHONE. IT'S THE SAME DRAFT. YOU WANT ME TO READ IT OUT? IF YOU YES, I THINK THAT WOULD THINK THAT WOULD DO THE TRICK. READ 'EM INTO THE RECORD PLEASE. SURE. THE ONLY THING IS I NEED TO FIND IT. GIMME A SECOND. ALSO, STATE THAT YOU ARE VOLUNTEERING THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS. YES. I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE A PAPER DRAFT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER. YOU UNDERSTAND? I'M AN A OL GUY, SO HOLD ON A SECOND HERE. TIPTON, WHERE ARE YOU? ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS. I VOLUNTEERED OR DEED RESTRICTION TO PROHIBIT THE FOLLOWING USES. AND THEN IT SAYS GENERAL MERCHANDISE IS A FOOD STORE LESS THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET AND YOU'RE VOLUNTEERING THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS. IS THAT CORRECT, SIR? CERTAINLY, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONER, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION PLEASE? COMMISSIONER LEY? YES, MA'AM. I'M JUST, I'M JUST HYPOTHETICALLY ASKING, UM, SINCE THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT IS ON, IN OH ONE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE AND IT'S COMMERCIAL AND THE MIXED USE IS, IS IT PROPOSED THAT THIS IS GONNA BE, UH, RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE? NO, MA'AM. IT'S BASICALLY COMMERCIAL, SO. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO U ONE IS NOT, UM, RELATED TO HOUSING AND, UM, RESIDENTIAL. OKAY. I'M SORRY. I WAS, 'CAUSE I WAS ABOUT TO ASK WHY ISN AN AGE 40 APPLYING TO THIS? RIGHT. OKAY. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS I'LL, NO, I'LL ADD SOME DETAIL. I MEAN, 8 8 8 40 MOST LIKELY APPLIES TO THE PROPERTY. I SAY MOST LIKELY 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE A FULL ANALYSIS TO SEE IF THERE'S A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ABUSE IN THE AREA. BUT, UH, SB EIGHT 40 APPLIES TO THE NOA RIGHT NOW AND IT APPLIES TO THE MU AS WELL, BUT IF IT DOESN'T APPLY TO HIS PROJECT, IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A SIGNIFICANT RE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS. SEE NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK [6. 25-2724A An application for a new Specific Use Permit for a child or adult care facility on property zoned R-5(A) Single Family District, on the north line of Mexicana Road, west of Pluto Street.] YOU, SIR. WE GO TO CASE NUMBER SIX. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, ITEM SIX IS Z TWO FIVE ENDING IN SEVEN TWO. AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A CHILD OR ADULT CARE FACILITY ON PROPERTY ZONE R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF MENA ROAD, WEST OF PLUTO STREET. UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE HEARD? YES MA'AM. GOOD AFTERNOON. HI. HI, MY NAME IS MELINDA GARCIA. UH, 45 63 MEXICANA, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 2. IT'S A WEST DALLAS AREA. UM, I WAS PROPOSING, UM, TO MOVE MY CHILDCARE CENTER. WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR OVER 25 YEARS. WE ARE, WE WORK IN COLLABORATION WITH SEVERAL AGENCIES THAT ASSIST WITH CHILDCARE, WHICH COULD BE LIKE, UH, TDA, WHICH IS TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE. WE ALSO DO CCMS, WHICH IS CHILDCARE MANAGEMENT SERVICES OF DALLAS. WE ALSO DO NTX, WHICH IS OUT IN DENTON. THEY ASSIST WITH CHILDCARE. UM, I'M, I'M WANTING TO MOVE MY CHILDCARE TO THIS RESIDENCE AND I WAS HOPING TO BE GRANTED FAVOR. I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL SPEAKER. UM, ALSO I WANTED TO STATE THAT, UM, OUR, OUR CHILDCARE CENTER ASSIST A LOT IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WITH BACK TO SCHOOL SUPPLIES, ANYTHING THAT THE CHILDREN NEED. UH, WE HELP THE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS THAT ARE, THAT HAVE BABIES, THAT HAVE CHILDREN. WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME IN, UM, IN CARE AS, AS WE SPEAK. UM, I, I HAVE AND I WILL CONTINUE TO DO, UM, ON A SLIDING SCALE CHILDCARE. I DO FREE CARE [03:00:01] IF MY PARENTS SHOW THAT THEY'RE APPLYING TO GET ASSISTANCE WITH CCAI HAVE DONE. AND I'LL CONTINUE TO DO FREE CHILDCARE UNTIL THEY GET THAT HELP THAT THEY NEED. UM, AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT WE WORK WITH THE CHILDREN IN OUR CENTER. UM, WE HAVE CHILDREN THAT HAVE GROWN UP, GONE TO COLLEGE, GRADUATED, COME BACK TO US, BRING THEIR CHILDREN TO US. AND I'M JUST HOPING THAT THE CITY CAN GRANT US FAVOR TO MOVE OUR CENTER TO 45 63 MEXICANA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU DID FINE. YOU DID GREAT. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION? OKAY. SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES. IN THE MATTER OF CASE Z DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 0 7 2. I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOT FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT DENY THIS APPLICATION STRAIGHT DENIAL OR WITHOUT PREJUDICE. STRAIGHT DENIAL. STRAIGHT DENIAL. UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS MID-BLOCK LOCATION ON A CONGESTED DEAD END SINGLE FAMILY STREET IS SIMPLY NOT A GOOD LOCATION FOR A CHILDCARE CENTER. THERE IS NO PUBLIC TRANSIT IN THE AREA. UM, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ISSUES WITH THE SITE, ESPECIALLY THE UNFENCED SWIMMING POOL IN THE BACKYARD THAT JUST MAKE THIS A TREMENDOUS, UM, WORRY TO ME THAT THE DAYCARE CENTER WOULD BE ABLE TO OPERATE AT THIS LOCATION. IT WOULD ALSO, IT HAS THE POSSIBILITY OF BEING A VERY DISRUPTIVE INFLUENCE TO THE, TO THE, UM, LIVABILITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, GIVEN THAT ALL THE TRAFFIC ON THIS MILE LONG STREET HAS TO COME AND GO THROUGH, UH, MEXICANA AND, UH, PLUTO. AND, YOU KNOW, AS THE CONDITIONS ARE NOW, ANY STREET, ANY CAR COMING IN ONE DIRECTION THAT ENCOUNTERS A CAR COMING IN, THE OTHER HAS TO DO THE LITTLE, YOU KNOW, DUCK TO THE SIDE AND WAIT FOR SOMEONE TO PASS. AND THERE JUST ISN'T, I DON'T SEE A SAFE WAY, AN ORDERLY WAY FOR THIS SITE TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, WHAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION OF AS MANY AS 54 STUDENTS AND NINE TEACHERS. UM, I JUST DON'T SEE THAT THIS SITE CAN ACCOMMODATE THE TRAFFIC AND THE PARKING REQUIRE THE PARKING NEED NOT REQUIREMENT. SO UNFORTUNATELY, MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO DENY COMMISSIONER WHEELER. UM, I I CANNOT ALSO, CAN I, THIS TIME I CAN ASK THE APPLICANT SOMETHING, RIGHT? UM, I I AM GOING TO HAVE TO, UH, DISAGREE AND TO UM, NOT SUPPORT THAT, UH, MOTION. BUT CAN I TALK TO THE APPLICANT, MS. GARCIA? YEP. AND, AND LET ME MAKE A, WELL, I'LL MAKE A COMMENT OUT THERE. I'LL TALK TO HER. UM, YES MA'AM. ARE YOU A RESIDENT OF THAT COMMUNITY? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. AND WHERE IS YOUR CURRENT DAYCARE LAKE LOCATED? I'M, I'M SORRY? WHERE'S THE CURRENT LO LOCATION? IT'S IN OAK CLIFF. OKAY. UM, NOT FAR. AND, AND SO, UM, AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, HAVE YOU SPOKE WITH THE NEIGHBORS? YES. AND, AND WERE ANY IN OPPOSITION? NO, THEY'RE ALL FOR IT BECAUSE MOST OF THEM HAVE CHILDREN AND, AND THE KIDS, SOME OF THE KIDS THAT YOU DO SUPPORT GO, ARE IN HIGH SCHOOL THAT HAVE CHILDREN CURRENTLY. YEAH. OKAY, THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL. UM, IN A TIME WHERE WE ARE, ESPECIALLY IN THIS ECONOMY, UM, AND, AND EVEN IF TRANSIT IS NOT DIRECTLY LOCATED IN THAT AREA, HAVING SOMEWHERE THAT YOU CAN WALK YOUR CHILDREN TO A DAYCARE AND THE NEEDS THAT WE NEED FOR DAYCARE, SMALLER DAYCARES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, UM, I 100% SUPPORT THAT I, I GREW UP IN A, IN-HOME DAYCARE OR A DAYCARE THAT WAS IN A SMALLER HOME AND MY MOTHER FELT SAFER WITH ME BEING DROPPED OFF THERE. AND THERE WAS THINGS THAT WERE THAT, THAT OFTENTIMES WHEN SHE WAS NOT ABLE TO PAY BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PERSON WHO WAS RUNNING THAT DAYCARE UNDERSTOOD THE SOCIOECONOMIC, UM, ISSUES WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY. SHE STILL ALLOWED MY MOTHER TO DO SO AS GOING, DROPPING HER AS SHE WENT TO WORK BECAUSE SHE WAS TRYING. SO, UM, IF THIS WAS SOME HUGE DAYCARE BUILDING BEING BUILT, BUT THESE TYPE OF DAYCARES WE NEED, UM, WITH, SO THAT OUR CHILDREN ARE NOT ACROSS TOWN, PARENTS ARE NOT HAVING TO, UM, TRY TO PICK THEIR CHILDREN UP IN A ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD AS THEY'RE GETTING READY TO GO HOME. SO, [03:05:01] UH, I'M 100% I'M GONNA SUPPORT STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND NOT SUPPORT THE MOTION THAT WAS GIVEN. UM, I THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. WHILE I'M HESITANT TO EVER TURN DOWN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR DAYCARE, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND HOW CRITICAL A NEED THAT IS IN ALMOST ALL OF OUR COMMUNITIES, THERE IS A BALANCE BETWEEN WHAT A NEIGHBORHOOD CAN AND SHOULD EXPECT OUT OF A BUSINESS BEING RUN OUT OF IT. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS THE SIZE OF THIS PROPOSED DAYCARE IS NOT A SMALL DAYCARE AND THE TRAFFIC THAT IT WILL GENERATE. AND I'M ONE OF THE LAST PEOPLE TO BUY INTO TRAFFIC ARGUMENTS. BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE AND THE OBVIOUS USE OF THE STREET FOR OFF FOR PARKING, UH, BY THE RESIDENTS, I, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS PROPOSAL CREATES A SAFE ENVIRONMENT. AND THAT'S NOT EVEN TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THE SWIMMING POOL FOR THE RESIDENTS OR THE CHILDREN THAT MIGHT GO TO THIS, UM, PROPOSED DAYCARE. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER KNOWS HER DISTRICT AND I THINK THAT SHE WELL UNDERSTANDS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE. AND HER RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL, I THINK IS A SOUND ONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT CHAIR RUBIN? YEAH. I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION TO DENY. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SAFETY CONCERNS AND I DO NOT WANT TO DOWNPLAY THOSE TO ANY EXTENT. AND IF THIS DOES PASS, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE DO TAKE CARE OF THE POOL AND GET THAT FENCED IN AND DO THAT. BUT OUR DAYCARES IN TEXAS ARE HEAVILY REGULATED BY THE STATE AND YOU KNOW, WHILE WE DO A LOT WITH OUR ZONING REGULATIONS, SOME THINGS ARE IN THE STATE'S COURT AND I'M SURE TO GET A LICENSE FOR THIS FACILITY IN THIS LOCATION, THE SAFETY ISSUES WILL BE WORKED OUT AND THERE WILL BE INSPECTIONS WITH THE STATE. AND UM, YEAH, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP IN MIND OUR LIMITED ROLE ON THE LAND USE SIDE. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WOULD ADD SOME ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I, I THINK OF THE BENEFITS AND TRADE-OFFS AND BEING ABLE TO HAVE A DAYCARE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS THAT IT'S WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE, UM, IS A REAL BENEFIT TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND ANY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. SO I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF DAYCARES AND OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND THOSE STREET PARKING SPOTS. YOU KNOW, I KNOW RESIDENTS LIKE TO PARK ON THEM, BUT THEY DON'T BELONG TO THE RESIDENTS. AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A WAY THAT THIS DAYCARE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN MOVE FORWARD IN HARMONY, UM, BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT HERE. SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION TO DENY. UH, A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, MS. GARCIA. MS. GARCIA. OH, UM, THE POOL IS BEING FENCED ALREADY 'CAUSE THAT'S, UH, CHILDCARE LICENSING IS HELPING ME WITH FENCING. IT, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION. SO, OH, I'M SORRY. YOU, YOU READ MY MIND. UM, BUT CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK IT INTO THE MICROPHONE? WE HAVE FOLKS ONLINE. CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR ANSWER PLEASE? OKAY. OH, I WAS JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT THE POOL IS BEING FENCED. CHILDCARE LICENSING IS WORKING WITH ME. ALL THE AGENCIES THAT ARE INCLUDED AND INVOLVED ARE IN SUPPORT OF ME AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE HELPING ME. THANK YOU. UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER HARBERT FILE? COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, PLEASE. UM, I KNOW THERE WAS A, A DESIGNATION OR A, A REQUEST FOR A MUCH LARGER, UM, POPULATION. COULD IT BE CONSIDERED, AND THIS CAN BE STAFF OR THE, UM, A STAFF ANSWER OR EVEN TO THIS YOUNG LADY TO LESSEN THE AMOUNT OF STUDENTS? UM, OR THE 54 IS A NUMBER THAT STANDARD. SO THE NUMBER 54 IS BASED ON THE STATEMENT MADE BY THE APPLICANT IN THE APPLICATION. UH, WE CAN'T, WE DON'T REGULATE IT THROUGH THE SUP, WE SHOULDN'T REGULATE IT THROUGH THE SUP. WE, WE HAVE A LIMIT ON THE FLOOR AREA FOR THE USE, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH THE USE OF THE STRUCTURE. SO THEY CAN'T EXPAND THIS, THIS STRUCTURE, UM, FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE. UM, SO THAT'S ON THE BOOKS, BUT THE SUP SHOULDN'T BE TOUCHING ON, UM, STUDENTS. UM, SO HOWEVER THAT'S HOWEVER MM-HMM I SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT, THAT AT THAT POINT IS THEN REGULATED BY THE STATE. THE AMOUNT OF STUDENTS, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A GUARANTEE BASED ON OUR DATA THAT 54 CAN BE ACCOMMODATED THERE ON WITHIN STATE REQUIREMENTS. GOTCHA. UM, ARE YOU REQUIRING 54 IN YOUR NO, IT WENT DOWN. OKAY. OUR, OUR CAPACITY HAS GONE DOWN. OKAY. DO YOU KNOW A NUMBER? UM, IT'S GONNA BE 45. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. [03:10:01] COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, PLEASE. UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT JUST, UH, CLARIFY SOMETHING FOR ME IN, IN THAT ONE QUESTION. UM, BUT I DO HAVE A SECOND QUESTION. AS A PART OF THIS SUP, WILL YOU BE SERVING, UH, USING THIS FACILITY FOR ADULTS AS WELL? NO, IT'S JUST CHILDREN. YEAH. SORRY. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONER FORT, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? SIR, PLEASE QUESTION OR COMMENT. WHAT IS THIS SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THIS FACILITY, THIS HOUSE? UM, IT'S 2,500. I MEAN 2,700 SQUARE FEET. 2,700 SQUARE FEET? YES, SIR. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A, A A A, YOU'RE ESTIMATING THE POPULATION OF KIDS TO BE 45. 45 TO 47. UH, STATE LICENSING TOOK ME DOWN 'CAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY MADE A, A WALKTHROUGH TO THE FACILITY AND THEY'RE DOING EITHER IT'S, I'M THINKING 47. YEAH. 'CAUSE IT'S STILL, THEY'RE STILL WORKING WITH ME ON THAT, BUT IT'S NOT, DEFINITELY NOT GONNA BE 54. AND, UH, THE SWIMMING POOL, HOW DEEP IS THE SWIMMING POOL? IT'S, UM, IT GOES FROM THREE TO FIVE TO EIGHT. AND IT'S CURRENTLY BEING COVERED UP BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS BY STATE LICENSING IN AUSTIN. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S NOT JUST GONNA BE FENCED, IT'S GONNA BE ACTUALLY COVERED? OH NO, IT'S GONNA BE PLYWOOD COVERED UP A FENCE. NO, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE WITH PLYWOOD, IT'S GONNA BE COVERED, PERIOD. ALL OF IT. JUST ONE QUICK POINT OF CLARIFICATION. YOU KNOW, THE, THE NUMBER THAT'S IN OUR REPORT IS, IS JUST A, A BROAD NUMBER. IN FACT, THE, THE NUMBER OF, OF CHILDREN THAT YOU WILL SERVICE IS GONNA BE SET BY THE STATE. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. YES. YES, SIR. AND THEY'RE WORKING WITH ME AS WE SPEAK WITH EVERYTHING THAT I'M DOING . OKAY. AND, AND THEY LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE, OF THE FACILITY? YES. THEY COME, THEY CAME OUT WITH A LITTLE ROLLER THING AND THEY MEASURE THE YARD, THE, THE PARKING AREAS OF RAINBOW PARK AND WE DO, UH, DROP OFF AND PICK UP AT CURBSIDE. SO IT'S EFFICIENT AND FAST. OKAY. UH, SECOND ROUND. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE. MS. GARCIA, YOU HAVEN'T REACHED OUT TO ME DURING THIS PROCESS? YES, MA'AM. I'M SORRY. YOU, YOU HAVE NOT REACHED OUT TO ME DURING THIS PROCESS, IS THAT CORRECT? I HAVE NOT HAD ANY MEETINGS WITH YOU OR YOU HAVE NOT BEEN IN CONTACT WITH ME? NO, I'M SORRY, I, I WASN'T AWARE OF. BUT YOU DID GET A ZRT LETTER YES. SAYING, RECOMMENDING THAT YOU GET IN TOUCH WITH ME? YEAH. YEAH, I RECEIVED A LETTER, BUT I WENT, SO THERE HAVE BEEN NO COMMUNITY MEETINGS ABOUT THIS. I'M SO SORRY. RIGHT. AND WHEN I WENT OUT TO THE LOCATION LAST WEEK, THE PROPERTY DID NOT HAVE THE REQUIRED ZONING NOTICES UP. OH, IT WAS, OH, DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO POST THE PROPERTY WITH ZONING? NO SIGNS. OKAY. SO THE ONLY, BASED ON THE FACT THAT YOU JUST DIDN'T HAVE SAID THAT THERE ARE, THE PROPERTY'S NEVER BEEN POSTED. UM, THE ONLY MOTION I CAN MAKE TODAY IS EITHER TO PUT IT UNDER ADVISEMENT OR DENY IT. IS THAT NOT CORRECT? IS THAT WITH STAFF THIS POINT? UM, IF THAT'S, YEAH, IF IT, I MEAN, IF WE HAVE HAVE A VOTE, THE COMMISSION CAN HOLD A, HOLD A VOTE TO DETERMINE IF THEY BELIEVE THAT SIGNS WERE PROPERLY DISPLAYED AND THEN AFTER THAT POINT THOSE ARE THE, THE OPTIONS. OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THE VOTE? I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S THE CASE. RIGHT? IF, IF THE NOTIFICATION SIGNS WEREN'T POSTED, THE COMMISSION CAN ONLY HOLD IT OR DENY THE CASE. OKAY. SO I MOVE THAT THE COMMISSION VOTE ON THE, UM, QUESTION OF WHETHER ADEQUATE NOTIFICATION HAS BEEN POSTED? YEAH, I I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT REQUIRES A MOTION. WE, THE, THE MOTION SHOULD BE EITHER TO HOLD THE CASE OR TO DENY. IS THAT CORRECT? NO, I, I THOUGHT WE HAD TO VOTE, VOTE TO TAKE IT UP. DO WE HAVE TO VOTE TO TAKE IT UP, MS. MORRIS? WELL, THE BODY SHOULD MAKE A FINDING, UM, WHETHER THE SIGNS WERE POSTED OR NOT AND A ACCORDING, SO THAT'S MADE THROUGH, BUT IT'S INITIATED THROUGH A MOTION. IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, BUT IT CAN BE. OKAY. OKAY. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, WELL, SORRY, ONE MORE TIME. OKAY. SO I MOVE THAT THE, UH, CPC NEEDS TO VOTE TO DETERMINE THAT THE PROPERTY WAS NOT PROPERLY POSTED. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, ANY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? WELL, ANY COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? YES. I WANT TO ASK THE PLANNER, WHEN THE PLANNER DID THE SITE VISIT ON THIS CASE? DID HE OR SHE? IT'S, SORRY. IT'S MR. MR. BECK, WERE THERE SIGNS POSTED WHEN YOU VISITED THE SITE? UM, I, I DO NOT HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF IT. OUR, OUR PREVIOUS PLANNER WAS, UM, REX CHAMBERS AND HE'S NO LONGER WITH THE CITY, SO, UH, DID NOT HAVE [03:15:01] THAT CONVERSATION WITH HIM. UM, THE SIGN ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS IS A NORMAL PART OF OUR PROCESS, SO WE DID, YOU KNOW, GIVE THOSE ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS EARLY IN THE PROCESS. UM, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE DOCUMENTATION OR, OR DATA ON THAT, UNFORTUNATELY. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER, WE THERE. OKAY. UM, SO IF THAT PLANNER IS NO LONGER HERE, DO WE KNOW THAT HE WOULD GIVE NOTIFICATION FOR HER TO PICK UP THE PLAN? THE SIGNS? UM, HE DIDN'T TELL ME IF HE DID NOT GIVE NOTIFICATION BECAUSE BEFORE WE EVEN VOTED ON THIS PARTICULAR MATTER, IF THE SIGNS WERE NOT THERE WHEN THE COMMISSIONER WENT BY, WHY WOULD WE VOTE ON THE MOTION FOR THAT AND NOT FOR THE SIGNS FROM THE GET-GO? AND HOW DO WE KNOW IF THE PLANNER WHO WAS ORIGINALLY ON THIS CASE DID NOT NOTIFY HER? BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT SHE WAS NOT EVEN NOTIFIED THAT SHE NEED TO COME PICK UP THE SIGNS. SO I, THIS IS JUST A, I I WOULD SAY THAT VERY STANDARD PART OF OUR PROCESS IS EARLY ON IS NOTIFICATION THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE THE SIGNS UP. UH, TYPICALLY IT'S IN THE EARLY PART WHEN WE REACH OUT AND BE IN TOUCH AND THEY, THEY GET THEIR SIGNS AT THE, IN INITIATION OF THE CASE AS WELL AS IN THE C RT LADDER. SO WHEN THE, WHEN THE PLANNER WHO TOOK OVER THE CASE, DID THE THAT PLANNER EVER GO OUT TO THE SITE VISIT OR YOU, THE SITE PLANNER THAT WENT OUT? YES. OUR, OUR PLANNER DID, DID VISIT THE SITE, CONDUCTED THE SITE VISIT, BUT I DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC DOCUMENTATION IF HE NOTICED THE SIGN IN THAT CASE, UNFORTUNATELY. UM, YEAH. SO IS SOMEWHERE THE BALL'S BEEN DROPPED AND IT, AND IT MIGHT BE LIABLE ON TO THIS, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE VERIFICATION THAT THE PLANNER WAS, I, WHETHER THE PLANNER ACTUALLY TOLD HER TO COME PICK, PICK, UH, THAT SHE CAN COME GET HER SCIENCE OR THAT THE PLANNER WENT OUT TO, TO VISUALLY SEE IF 30 SIGNS WERE EVER POSTED. SO WE DON'T KNOW WHO, WHAT, WHEN AND WHERE WE'RE ABOUT TO GO ON SOME HYPOTHETICALS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? AGAIN, THE, JUST SO WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE, WE WE'RE SIMPLY DISCUSSING WHETHER WE SHOULD TAKE INTO, UH, TO CONSIDERATION THE MATTER OF THE SIGN. SO DEPENDING ON THIS VOTE, THEN THE NEXT VOTE WOULD BE, UH, WHETHER WE DENY OR HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT PER OUR RULES. SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE ON OPENING THAT DOOR? SEE NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. NOW, UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT PLEASE? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, LET'S GO TALK. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY, SORRY. IN THE MATTER OF Z TWO FIVE DASH 0 0 0 7 2, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOT FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT DENY. OH, BECAUSE I FIND THAT THE SIGN, WELL, THE, UM, MS. GARCIA HAS, UM, SAID THAT SHE DID NOT POST THE SIGNS AND THEY WERE NOT POSTED WHEN I WAS THERE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT? SECOND. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, UH, FOR SENT FOR YOUR SECOND CHAIR, CAN I MAKE AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION TO HOLD THE CASE UNTIL OUR SECOND OCTOBER MEETING? WE HAVE A MOTION, ALTERNATIVE MOTION TO HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT TO OCTOBER 23RD. AND WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HERBERT. UH, DISCUSS THAT NOW WE HAVE THAT. I CAN SAY THAT WOULD NOT ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING BECAUSE IN DISTRICT SIX WE REQUIRE THE COUNCILWOMAN REQUIRES AT LEAST THREE WEEKS ADVANCE NOTICE OF ANY COMMUNITY MEETING, MEETING, MEETING WOULD BE, UM, REQUIRED SO THAT IT WOULD BE THE SAME MOTION THAT I WOULD BE MAKING AT THAT TIME. F DO YOU WANNA HOLD IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER? YEAH, I WILL HOLD IT. I WILL PROPOSE TO HOLD IT TO OUR FIRST NOVEMBER MEETING SIXTH, NOVEMBER 6TH. SIXTH NOVEMBER. AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT WHY I AM MAKING THE MOTION TO, OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISE? WE DO HAVE A SECOND. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HERBERT? COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER, WE THERE? NO, NO. PLEASE GO, GO FIRST. YEAH. UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A SUBSTANTIVE DISAGREEMENT ON THE UNDERLYING ZONING CASE, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO WORK THAT OUT HERE TODAY. UM, WE GET APPLICANTS WHO OF, OF ALL DIFFERENT STRIPES HERE, SOME WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, BIG BUSINESSES WHO, YOU KNOW, HAVE VERY TALENTED ZONING CONSULTANTS AND PEOPLE TO HELP THEM OUT, THAT THERE'S ZONING CASES. OTHERS OF THEM ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO OWN A SMALL BUSINESS THAT SERVES THE COMMUNITY LIKE THIS. AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES NAVIGATING THE CITY'S PROCESSES IS NOT ALWAYS SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR PARTICULARLY FOR APPLICANTS LIKE THIS, WE NEED TO EXTEND A LITTLE BIT OF GRACE AND MEET THE APPLICANTS WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY ARE, AND WORK WITH THEM TO SEE IF WE CAN FIND A SOLUTION THAT WORKS FOR THE COMMUNITY HERE. AND TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR, OUR STANDARD PROCESSES THAT FOLLOWED IN TERMS [03:20:01] OF, IN MANY CASES, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING AND SIGNS. AND IT JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE WE ARE BEING A LITTLE HASTY TO COME TO A JUDGMENT HERE ON THIS CASE WITH THIS APPLICANT WHO I THINK HAS A, A GENUINE DESIRE TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY WITH AN IMPORTANT USE. AND I, I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY GET THIS DONE WITH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. UM, AND THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT HOLDING IT AND ALLOWING THIS TASTE, YOU KNOW, MORE TIME TO BAKE AND, AND COME TO FRUITION. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, FATHER COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, I COULD NOT CONCUR MORE. UM, THE FIRST, WE WERE NOT VOTING ON THE WAS VOTE. IT WAS THE MOTION WAS BECAUSE, UM, IT WOULD CAUSE SOME UNDUE HARM TO THE COMMUNITY. THEN IT CAME BACK. WELL, THE SIGNS WERE NOT POSTED, BUT WHAT WASN'T, IF THE SIGNS WERE NOT POSTED, DID THE CITY SEND OUT NOTIFICATIONS? BECAUSE IF THE CITY SENT OUT NOTIFICATIONS, NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT TO THE, THE IMMEDIATE RESIDENCE WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY. SO IF THAT WAS DONE, THOSE NONE, NOT ONE SENT US A, A LETTER OF OPPOSITION SAYING THAT THEY DID NOT, UM, THAT THEY RECOMMENDED DENIAL. UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I CAN REMEMBER A CASE THAT WE HAD PRIOR WHERE, UM, AND THEY HAD A CONSULTANT AND THEY, THEY HAD TO GO OUT AND TAKE PICTURES ON A REGULAR BASIS SHOWING THAT THEIR SIGNS WERE POSTED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. AND TO SEE A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER WITHIN A COMMUNITY WHERE THOSE DOLLARS WERE WE RECYCLED, BUT NOT JUST RECYCLED, THEY WILL BE HELPING THE P COMMUNITY. A DAYCARE IS IN A COMMUNITY, IS AN ASSET AND NEVER A LIABILITY. AND SO TO BE DENIED, UM, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF RECOURSE AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS, IS, IS AT, AT CRUEL, AT AT MOST, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, THERE'S, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE I HAVE TO BECOME THE, UM, THE, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? THE GRASSROOTS COMMISSIONER IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, BLACK AND BROWN THESE DAY CURLS IS WHAT MAKE THE DIFFERENCE ON WHETHER WE CAN GO TO WORK IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN THESE TYPE OF DAY CURLS MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHEN A CHILD, WHETHER A TEENAGER WHO HAS BECOME PREGNANT, BUT WANT TO CONTINUE THEIR EDUCATION ON WHETHER THEY CAN CONTINUE THEIR EDUCATION. SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND HOW THAT GOES, BUT I KNOW IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WE HAVE THESE TYPE OF DAYCARES AND THEY MAKE OR BREAK WHETHER THE SUCCESS OF A CHILD CAN OR AN DUCK CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND LEARN AND, AND, AND BE AN ASSET TO THEIR COMMUNITY. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION. UH, I THINK THERE'S TOO MANY UNDERLYING ISSUES WITH THIS USE AT THIS LOCATION. AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES THAT REGULATE DAYCARES, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT OUR FUNCTION IS SUPERFLUOUS OR, UH, DESIGNED TO RUBBER STAMP THEM. WE HAVE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAN THEY DO, INCLUDING THE, UH, WELFARE AND QUIET ENJOYMENT OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE IMPACTS OF THE COM ON THE COMMUNITY OF AN OPERATION LIKE THIS AT THIS SITE WITH THE RESTRAINTS THAT THIS INFRASTRUCTURE POSES, UM, ON A USE LIKE THIS. SO MY POSITION ON THE UNDERLYING MATTER ISN'T GONNA CHANGE THE FACT THAT THE SIGNS WERE NOT POSTED, UM, MIGHT BE A GOOD REASON TO HOLD A CASE NORMALLY, BUT I JUST THINK WE'RE PROLONGING THE INEVITABLE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT. UM, I, I THANK THE APPLICANT FOR COMING TODAY AND FOR FOLLOWING, UM, THE PROCESSES THAT THE OTHER REGULATIONS AND, UM, ORGANIZATIONS HAVE PUT FORWARD. UM, I THINK THE POOL IS A HUGE ISSUE. UH, I DON'T THINK THE PLYWOOD IS A GOOD ANSWER. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT BEFORE SHE COMES BACK, UM, BEFORE THIS BODY, OR EVEN IF HIS BODY DENIES AND IT GOES FURTHER. UM, MY TWO CONCERNS ARE THE TRINITY RIVER AND THE BRANCH THAT THIS SITE SITS NEAR, UM, AND THE PROTECTION OF THOSE KIDS THERE. BUT I DO THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME TIME FOR THIS, UM, THIS APPLICANT TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS, GET, UH, MAYBE SOME HISTORY OR SOME UNDERSTANDING ON HOW THE CREEK WORKS AND SOME OTHER THINGS, AND THEN COME BACK WITH THOSE ANSWERS BEFORE. SO, UM, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, PLEASE. I'VE KINDA LOST TRACK WITH ALL THE DEBATE OF WHAT THAT MOTION IS AT THIS POINT. CAN YOU PLEASE RESTATE THE MOTION? ABSOLUTELY. THE, THE MOTION IS TO HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL NOVEMBER 6TH, KEEPING THE PUBLIC HEARING [03:25:01] OPEN AND THE, THE MATTER WILL RESET. HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE A COMMUNITY MEETING BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, AND SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED BEFORE THEN. AND WE'LL HAVE A, A FRESH START. UH, WE'LL TAKE A RECORD VOTE ON THIS ONE, PLEASE. DISTRICT ONE. I HAVE OWN FAVOR OF DE DELAYING UNTIL NOVEMBER. DISTRICT TWO. AYE. DISTRICT THREE? AYE. DISTRICT FOUR? NO. DISTRICT FIVE? YES. DISTRICT SIX? NO. DISTRICT SEVEN? YES. DISTRICT EIGHT? YES. DISTRICT NINE? YES. DISTRICT 10? YES. DISTRICT 11? YES. DISTRICT 12 IS VACANT. DISTRICT 13? YES. DISTRICT 14, NO. AND PLACE 15. YES. MOTION PASSES. UH, LET'S MOVE TO, UH, CASE [7. 25-2725A An application for a new specific use permit for the sale of alcoholic beverages on property zoned Subarea 2 within Planned Development District 366, the Buckner Boulevard Special Purpose District with D-1 Liquor Control Overlay District, on the southeast corner of S. Buckner Boulevard and Bruton Road.] NUMBER SEVEN. MS. LEVY. CASE NUMBER SEVEN. MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ON PROPERTY ZONED SUB AREA. TWO WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 360 6 BUCKNER BOULEVARD, SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH D ONE BOULEVARD AT LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTH BUCKNER BOULEVARD AND BRUTON ROAD. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. ALRIGHT, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS CASE? I SEE THERE'S ONE PERSON SIGNED UP ONLINE. IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN THE BUILDING? OH, YES SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. MY NAME IS, UH, JAMAR SCOTT. I'M A DISTRICT MANAGER WITH WALGREENS, UM, STORE LOCATED AT 2060 BUCKNER BOULEVARD, DALLAS, TEXAS. UM, AND I'M JUST HERE FOR ANY KIND OF OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MAY HAVE FOR ME. THANK YOU SO MUCH, SIR. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON ITEM SEVEN, CASE Z 25 63? GEORGE, DO WE HAVE OUR ONLINE SPEAKER? OKAY. UM, MS. CHAMBLEE, UM, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. IT'S YOUR TURN. YES, SIR. MY NAME IS CATHERINE CHAMBLEE. MY, UH, I I WORK FOR BRACKEN SCHWARTZ, UH, PLLC. THE ADDRESS IS 5 1 1 WEST SEVENTH STREET IN AUSTIN, TEXAS. ZIP CODE 7 8 7 0 1. I REPRESENT WALGREEN COVE, UM, IN THIS APPLICATION, THIS STORE HAS OPERATED IN DALLAS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. UM, WALGREENS ALSO OPERATES A NUMBER OF OTHER BUSINESSES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION ACTUALLY OBTAINED A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT OF THE SAME TYPE FOR OFF-PREMISE ALCOHOL SALES BACK IN 2012. THAT, HOWEVER EXPIRED WHEN WALGREENS CO REALIZED THAT THEY DISCONTINUED THE SALE OF ALCOHOL. AND WE STARTED THIS PROCESS TO, UM, APPLY FOR AN ORIGINAL, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TODAY. UM, THE, UH, LOCATION NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES THROUGH ALL THE YEARS THAT IT HAD THE SUP PREVIOUSLY. UM, AND IN APPLYING FOR THIS ORIGINAL, UM, IT'S SEEKING FOR BEER AND OFF, EXCUSE ME, BEER AND WINE OFF-PREMISE SALES. UH, THERE IS NO, UM, THE, THE ADDITIONAL PRODUCT WILL JUST SIMPLY ADD TO THE WIDE VARIETY OF ITEMS THAT THE LOCATION ALREADY HAS AVAILABLE TO ITS CUSTOMERS AND IT IS OTHERWISE NOT EXPECTED THAT MAKE ANY, UH, HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE TYPE OF SALES THAT THIS LOCATION DOES. UM, THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TO PRESENT HERE TODAY. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, OF COURSE, I'LL, I'LL BE AVAILABLE. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN? MR. CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO. IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 5 0 0 0 0 6 3, I MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, FALSE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN CONDITIONS FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD. NO. AUTO. GREAT. UM, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? JUST A QUICK COMMENT. UH, YEARS AND YEARS AGO WHEN WE BEGAN DOING THIS PROCESS OF THE SUVS, THE COMMUNITY, UH, [03:30:01] CAME OUT, UH, AND JUST, UH, HAD A REQUEST THAT ALL NEW SUVS, UH, GET A TWO YEAR PERIOD. AND SO WE'LL DO THAT ON, ON THE SMALL MOM PAUL SHOPS AND THE BIG WALGREENS. SO WE'RE JUST BEING CONSISTENT WITH THAT HERE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, REAGAN. I THINK WHAT WAS ASKING, UH, IN OUR BRIEFING WAS WHY DID, WHY HAVEN'T THEY HAD AN SUP IN, UM, SINCE 2019? WAS THEY STILL ACTIVELY SELLING ALCOHOL? AND I THINK WE WERE SUPPOSED TO ASK THE PARTY THE BODY, AM I CORRECT TO MS. SHAMLEY? UH, UH, SHAMLEY AND I GUESS THE REGIONAL OR DISTRICT MANAGER MANAGER. EITHER ONE OF 'EM CAN ANSWER. THE REGIONAL DIRECTOR. YOU, SIR, PLEASE. MS. SHAMLEY. I THINK I WANT ASK THE REGIONAL DIRECTOR FOR ASKING, WERE YOU ALL STILL ACTIVELY SELLING ALCOHOL DURING THE TIME THAT YOUR SUP PROCESS WAS, UM, UH, YOUR SUP HAD EXPIRED? ABSOLUTELY NOT. WE, AS SOON AS WE FOUND OUT OUR SUVS WERE EXPIRED, UM, WE IMMEDIATELY STOPPED SELLING ALCOHOL. AND WHAT YEAR WAS THAT? IT WAS, I BECAME A DISTRICT MANAGER FOR WALGREENS IN 2022. SO I WANT TO SAY IT WAS 2023. SO YOU ALL HAD IT EXPIRED SINCE 2019? UM, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M, I'M NOT SURE, UM, OF, OF THAT. I JUST, I'M THE DISTRICT MANAGER AND AS SOON AS MY, UH, BOSS ALERTED ME THAT WE HAVE SUVS THAT WE ARE, THAT ARE EXPIRED, UM, I, WE IMMEDIATELY STOPPED SELLING ALCOHOL AT THE LOCATION. I, IS THERE A PROCESS? WHAT DID, DO Y'ALL HAVE PROCESSES TO, FOR, TO, UM, WHAT WAS THE PREVIOUS SUP FOR TWO YEARS? YES. UM, WHAT WAS THE PREVIOUS SUP FOR? HOW LONG WAS THAT FOR? SORRY, I THINK IT WAS, UM, FIVE YEARS. LEMME SEE. FIVE YEARS AUTO RENEWAL OR FIVE YEARS? LET'S SEE. UM, ACTUALLY, OKAY, IT WAS FIRST, IT WAS, UM, TWO YEARS. NO, I'M SORRY. IT WAS, YES, TWO YEARS, BUT, AND THEN, YEAH, THAT WAS IT. AND THEN, UM, OH, AND THEN AFTER THAT IT WAS FIVE YEARS. OKAY. AND IT EXPIRED, UH, IN 2019. UM, THE APPLICANT DID TELL ME THAT AS SOON AS THEY FOUND OUT THAT THEIR SUP HAD LAPSED, THEY STOPPED SELLING ALCOHOL. SO THEY HAVEN'T SOLD IT SINCE THEY FOUND THAT OUT. UH, AND MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THIS IS THAT IT, WE HAVE SMALLER ORGANIZATIONS. I MEAN, THEY HAVE SUVS AND IT'S A DIFFERENCE IN FINDING OUT IN 20 20, 20 20, BUT 20, 23 20 WHEN THEY START, AND THEN THEY STOP, THAT'S A THREE YEAR LAP. THE FOUR, THREE TO FOUR YEAR LAPSE. UM, WITHOUT MAKING SURE THAT THAT SUP WAS IN PROCESS THAT THAT SUP HAD BEEN APPLIED FOR. SO I, I HAVE GRAVE CONCERN ON ISSUING A NEW SUP AND WHAT PROCEDURES ARE IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN. AND YOU GET FOUR ADDITIONAL YEARS WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND WE HAVE IN THE AREA, WE, WE'VE HAD QUITE A BIT OF SUVS OR SMALLER BUSINESSES THAT WE HAVE THAT HAS BEEN A MAJOR ISSUE. SAY IF YOU AND WE HAVE DENIED OR POSSIBLY, UM, RESTRICTED THEM TO A YEAR INSTEAD OF TWO YEARS BECAUSE OF THAT ACTION, I'LL JUST QUICKLY SAY THAT OUR RECOMMENDATION DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY DID OR DIDN'T HAVE IT. AND, AND THEY'RE, AND TRY NOT TO BE PUNITIVE AT THE SAME TIME. UH, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY THEY'RE HERE TO, TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE 'CAUSE THIS IS THE, THE PROPER ROUTE. SO OUR, OUR RECOMMENDATION DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY CONSIDERATION OF THAT. I THINK MAYBE MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE BODY. SO WE ACTUALLY, I MEAN, UM, WE, WE PUNITIVE BEFORE, SO I, SO I'M JUST ASKING, UM, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU ALL HAVE IN PLACE NOW THAT WOULD MAKE ENSURE THAT YOU ALL WILL RENEW YOUR SUP IN A TIMELY MANNER AND NOT AFTER THIS TWO YEARS CONTINUE TO MAKE YOU LEAVE TODAY? AND WHO WOULD BE IN PLACE, UH, TO SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA BE IN TRACK AND THAT THOSE THE NEXT TWO YEARS? BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, IF, IF I MAY, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE MORE OF A YEAR THAN TWO YEARS. HI, YES, THIS IS CATHERINE AGAIN. UM, UH, 5 1 1 WEST SEVENTH STREET, AUSTIN, TEXAS 7 8 7 0 1. WE'LL ADD THAT THIS CLIENT DID NOT HAVE, WE DO, UM, ASSIST WITH ALCOHOL PERMITTING THROUGHOUT THE STATE. WALGREENS DID NOT HAVE US ON BOARD PRIOR TO DISCOVERING THIS ISSUE WITH THEIR EXPIRED SUP. AND NOW THEY DO HAVE US, AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UM, I KEEP [03:35:01] TRACK OF ALL OF THESE, UH, WITHIN MY CALENDAR, UM, TO BE SURE THAT OUR CLIENTS DON'T HAVE ELAPSES SUCH AS THIS. UM, SO I CAN'T SAY THAT THAT IS ABOUT, UH, AN ADDITIONAL, UM, BACKUP, UM, THAT SHOULD PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN GOING FORWARD. UM, I DO UNDERSTAND THE CITY'S, UM, CONCERN REGARDING THE, THE PRIOR LAPSE, AND I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. WE WERE NOT, UM, ON BOARD AT THAT TIME. UH, BUT HOW, HOWEVER, AS I SAID, UH, THE INTENTION IS ABSOLUTELY TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS KEPT ON TOP OF GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, THEN COMMISSIONER HERBERT AND THEN COMMISSIONER FORSYTH. I WAS GONNA CALL THE QUESTION. WE HAVE A MOTION TO CALL THE QUESTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAS SECONDED IT. THIS MOTION IS NOT DEBATABLE AND I BELIEVE DOES IT REQUIRE A TWO THIRDS VOTE TO PASS MS. PARLIAMENTARIAN? ALRIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR OF CALLING THE QUESTION, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. NAY. ALRIGHT, THERE IS ONE. NO COMMISSIONER FORSYTH. SO THE MOTION CARRIES. SO WE ARE BACK TO THE MAIN QUESTION ON, UM, APPROVING THE SUP SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS, BUT FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD WITH NO AUTOMATIC RENEWALS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY? NO. UH, WE HAVE ONE. NO. COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, THE MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A THANK YOU, SIR. WE [8. 25-2726A An application for an amendment to Planned Development District 166 on property between La Prada Dr and Shiloh Road, south of Blyth Dr.] HAVE A MOTION, UH, A STATEMENT TO READ FOR NUMBER EIGHT. NO STRAIGHTFORWARD ON, ON ITEM EIGHT. UM, JUST FOR CONTEXT, UH, WE ADVERTISE THIS AS A AMENDMENT TO THE PD. UH, WE LATER REALIZED THAT THE INTENT IS TO REDUCE THE PD, UM, IN SIZE, UM, AS WELL AS AMEND IT. AND SO WE DID NOT INCLUDE A TWO DISTRICT. SO IT DOES REQUIRE REIFICATION. WE SHOULD NOT, UM, HAVE DISCUSSION ON IT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT CONTEXT. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING ON THE RECORD. UH, COMMISSIONERS, IT'S 2 0 1. LET'S TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK. OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, IT IS TWO 20 AND WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD. UH, WE'LL MOVE ON [10. 25-2728A An application for RR Regional Retail District on property zoned NO(A) Neighborhood Office District, on the southeast corner of Hillcrest Road and LBJ Freeway.] TO CASE NUMBER 10. GOOD AFTERNOON. AFTERNOON. ITEM NUMBER 10 IS KZ 25. UM, DASH 85. AN APPLICATION FOR NO, THEY JUST READ. ITEM NUMBER 10 IS KZ 25 DASH 85. AN APPLICATION FOR AN RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE NOA NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF HILLCREST ROAD AND LBJ FREEWAY STATE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THE APPLICANT HERE WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD? YOU PLEASE BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. AND WE'RE GONNA GO WITH, UH, THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, BENJAMIN SCOTT WITH HEB, UH, 6 4 6 SOUTH FLORES, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. UH, I'D JUST LIKE TO START AND I'LL, I'LL BE VERY BRIEF, BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK THE COMMISSION FOR, UH, BEING HERE AND ALLOWING US TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY. UM, WE ARE INCREDIBLY GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO HEAR OUR REQUEST FOR REZONING ON THE HILLCREST AND LBJ CORNER. UM, I'D SAY WE SEE THIS AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED BY THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, A RELATIONSHIP THAT STARTED BACK IN 2002 WITH OUR FIRST CENTRAL MARKET OPENING AT LEVER'S LANE. UM, AND WE STAND HERE TODAY, 23 YEARS LATER. IT'S BEEN LONGER THAN ANY OF US EXPECTED, UH, BUT WE ARE INCREDIBLY EXCITED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF BEING ABLE TO BRING OUR FLAGSHIP HEB BRANDED STORE TO DALLAS. UH, LOOK FORWARD TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. I'M AVAILABLE FOR THOSE. I'D JUST LIKE TO CLOSE WITH, UH, MY THANKS TO CITY STAFF, THE NEIGHBORS, AND EVERYONE THAT'S ENGAGED WITH US OVER THE LAST NINE PLUS MONTHS TO CONTINUE TO MAKE THIS A BETTER PROJECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. SUZANNE KEDRON, 2323 ROSS AVENUE. WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE BEFORE YOU LOOKING AT THIS 10 ACRE SITE. UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL, THERE IS NO IMMEDIATE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY SURROUNDING IT. YOU HAVE HILLCREST TO THE WEST. YOU HAVE 6 35 MAJOR INTERSTATE ARTERIAL TO THE NORTH. YOU HAVE A CREEK RUNNING TO THE EAST AND TO THE SOUTH. YOU HAVE THREE OFFICE BUILDINGS. HOWEVER, THERE IS A LARGER COMMUNITY THERE, ONE, WHICH WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BECOME [03:40:01] PART OF. WE'VE ENGAGED THE COMMUNITY SINCE OCTOBER 20, 24. HEB HAS BEEN OUT VISITING WITH THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS. AND THEN STARTING OFF A MORE COORDINATED, UH, IN, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT INVOLVEMENT. STARTING FEBRUARY. WE HAD A MAJOR MEETING, JUNE, ANOTHER ONE, SEPTEMBER. EACH OF THOSE MEETINGS HAD OVER 100 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE. WE DO HAVE BROAD SUPPORT. YOU WILL HEAR SOME FROM SOME OPPOSITION TODAY, BUT THERE IS BROAD SUPPORT OUT HERE FOR THIS PROJECT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID HERE AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROJECT WERE SOME OF THE MORE INTENSE, UH, RETAIL USES THAT WERE ALLOWED ON THE SITE. AND WE HAVE PROPOSED VOLUNTARY DEED RESTRICTIONS, SUMMARILY, UH, THOSE INCLUDE THE, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU. UM, AND WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. WE'RE WE'RE TAKING SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT AT THE MOMENT. WE'LL GO TO GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD. A GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. I'M LARRY GINSBURG. UH, I LIVE, UH, SOUTH OF THE HEB SITE, UH, AT 69 11 OAK MANOR DRIVE, DALLAS IN THE LAKE FOREST COMMUNITY. I'VE LIVED THERE FOR OVER 25 YEARS. I'M SPEAKING IN, IN A PERSONAL CAPACITY AND NOT AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF ANY GROUP. UM, I'D FIRST LIKE TO, UH, UH, TALK ABOUT WHY I THINK HEB WILL BE ACCRETIVE TO NORTH DALLAS. UH, THE HEB STORE WILL CREATE NEEDED ADDITIONAL FOOD OPTIONS IN NORTH DALLAS. THE STORE WILL GENERATE, UH, ADDITIONAL SALES TAX REVENUE FROM ITS OPERATIONS AND PROPERTY TAXES FROM ITS IMPROVEMENTS. HEB HAS BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF THE COMMUNITIES IN WHICH IT OPERATES. THEY'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS. UH, IT'S PARTICULARLY REFRESHING THAT HEB HAS STATED THAT IT WILL NOT SEEK GOVERNMENTAL INCENTIVES TO BUILD ITS STORE. UH, I'VE BEEN IMPRESSED THAT HEB HAS BEEN PROACTIVE IN TRYING TO MANAGE TRAFFIC TO ITS SITE BY IDENTIFYING PROPOSED ROUTES TO ITS STORE AND THEN HAVING ITS TRUCKS ACTUALLY DRIVE THOSE ROUTES. I'D LIKE TO CLOSE BY ADDRESSING TWO, UH, CRITICISMS OF THE SITE THAT I'VE HEARD. UH, FIRST, SOME HAVE CRITICIZED THE ARCHITECTURE. UH, THAT'S A MATTER OF PERSONAL TASTE. IF ANOTHER ARCHITECTURAL STYLE WERE TO BE SUGGESTED, YOU'LL HAVE THE SAME DYNAMIC OF SOME SEEING IT AS ATTRACTIVE AND OTHERS NOT. UH, THERE'S ALSO BEEN A FAIR AMOUNT OF MISINFORMATION. UH, SOME HAVE SUGGESTED THAT THE STORE WILL ATTRACT THE HOMELESS AND PANHANDLER BECAUSE THE STORE WILL BE DISCARDING FOOD. UH, IN THE SEVERAL MONTHS SINCE THIS CLAIM WAS ACTUALLY MADE TO ME, UH, I'VE INTENTIONALLY DRIVEN PAST THE LOADING DOCKS AND DUMPSTERS AT THE CENTRAL MARKET IN NORTH DALLAS AND THE TOM THUMB IN NORTH DALLAS AT ALL HOURS. AND I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY HOMELESS PEOPLE OR PANHANDLER, UH, LOOKING FOR FOOD. IT'S ALSO WELL KNOWN THAT SUPERMARKETS DIRECT FOOD NEARING EXPLORATION TO LOCAL FOOD BANKS AND HOMELESS SHELTERS. UH, THIS SUGGESTION IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. I SUPPORT'S APPLICATION AS DO MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU THERE. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT IN THE CHAMBER BEFORE WE GO TO OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE? OKAY. HI CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO SPEAK YES. GREAT. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. MY NAME IS GREG ANDERSON AND I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT I LOVE MY HUBI WORK IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I TEACH URBAN STUDIES AT UT AUSTIN AND I'M ROLLING OFF THE AUSTIN PLANNING COMMISSION AFTER SERVING SINCE MARCH, 2017. YOU MIGHT WONDER WHY I AM CALLING IN LIVING IN AUSTIN. IT'S BECAUSE MY UNCLE, MY 80-YEAR-OLD AWESOME UNCLE WHO LIVES ABOUT A MILE FROM THIS SITE, TOLD ME TO, AND I DO WHAT MY UNCLE TELLS ME TO DO. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, HE'S BORN IN DALLAS AND HE LOVES HIS CITY AND I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO GET HIM TO LEAVE DALLAS. THAT BEING SAID, HE VISITS ME OFTEN. I LOVE VISITING HIM. MY AUNT LIVES NEARBY AND HIS, HIS FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND MANY NEIGHBORS. AND I'M SURE THERE'S SOME INTERESTING FOLKS MAKING THINGS ABOUT, OH MY GOSH, WHY SOMEONE ELSE CALLING IN FROM AUSTIN. Y'ALL. HEB IS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. AND THIS LOCATION IS [03:45:01] A PERFECT LOCATION FOR AN HEB. AND IT'S NOT JUST A GROCERY STORE, IT'S A PROVEN COMMUNITY ANCHOR. I MEAN, THEY JUST DO AMAZING THINGS ALL OVER AUSTIN AND THEY'RE EXCITED TO DO THE SAME FOR YOUR CITY. AND THEY PROVIDE FRESH FOOD AND CREATE OPPORTUNITIES AND JOBS. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S THE USUAL OBJECTIONS OF TRAFFIC AND CHANGE AND BE AFRAID OF GROWTH, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT MANY LONGTIME RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA, INCLUDING MY UNCLE, ARE REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THIS GET BUILT. SO, I'M SORRY THIS ISN'T A BUYRIGHT ZONING. IT'D BE GREAT IF IF DALLAS HAD MORE UPTODATE CURRENT ZONING AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A CASE LIKE THIS AND YOU CAN JUST ALLOW FOR GREAT THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS AND WANTS. BUT WITH THAT SAID, I RESPECTFULLY URGE THAT YOU VOTE YES FOR THIS CASE AND YOU HELP DELIVER A REAL LASTING BENEFIT TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THE SITE'S AMAZING LOCATION FOR HEB AND I LIVE NEAR ONE IN MILLER AND WE'RE WISHING THEY WOULD EXPAND BECAUSE PEOPLE LOVE US SO MUCH. SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO AND LEMME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. UH, IT'S, UH, GRACE STONER ONLINE. NO. HOW ABOUT, UM, MICHAEL MOSAN? OH, OKAY. YES SIR. DID I JUST CALL YOUR NAME? OH, I SIGNED, I SIGNED UP ONLINE. OH, PERFECT. I CAN COME. MAYBE THAT WAS ME. OKAY. YOU'RE PERFECTLY FINE, PLEASE. YEAH, I'M A LITTLE LOW TECH, SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING. MY NAME IS GRACE STAGNER AND I OFFICE AT 12 7 20 HILLCREST ROAD, WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THIS SITE. AND, UH, I'M STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF THAT. HERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. I OWN A REAL ESTATE COMPANY. I'VE LIVED IN DALLAS, TEXAS FOR 42 YEARS. WE'RE PRIMARILY RETAIL DEVELOPERS. UM, BUILT PROBABLY EIGHT OR 10 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL SPACE IN MY CAREER, WHICH JUST BASICALLY MAKES ME OLD. UM, BUT HEB IS A, IS A UNIQUE OPERATOR. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO FINANCIAL INCENTIVE IN THIS DEAL OTHER THAN BEING A PATRON OF DALLAS AND A FAN OF HEB. UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS BEFORE I GET STARTED WITH THAT IN MY TWO MINUTES AND 45 SECONDS IS THANKS TO P AND Z FOR DOING THIS. YOU GUYS ARE TRUE CHAMPIONS 'CAUSE IT'S FREE AND IT'S A HARD JOB. SO THANKS FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR SERVICE. AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF DEALINGS WITH THE CITY STAFF AND THE NEW CITY MANAGER IN THE PAST YEAR. SHE'S FANTASTIC. BEST CITY STAFF THAT WE'VE SEEN FROM THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS IN THE LAST 25 YEARS, IN MY OPINION. HERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY OF OF HEB, UH, OF WHAT I'VE SEEN. 'CAUSE I WENT TO SCHOOL IN WACO, BASICALLY BASED IN SAN ANTONIO AND MR. BUTT, HOWARD BUTT AND HIS BROTHER CHARLES THAT STARTED THE COMPANY WERE TRUE PATRIARCHS. I GREW UP IN THE BUSINESS WITH JACK EVANS, WHO RAN, AND BOB CULLUM WHO RAN TOM THUMB. JACK WAS MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DALLAS AND LOVED DALLAS. BUT HEB IS A PRIVATELY HELD COMPANY. THEY'RE GOOD TO THEIR EMPLOYEES AND THEY'RE REALLY GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. I MEAN, THEY MAKE, THEY MAKE A DIFFERENCE. THERE'S TWO REALLY GREAT MERCHANTS, IN MY OPINION, IN THE WHOLE UNITED STATES, THAT'S HEB AND COSTCO AS FAR AS QUALITY AND QUALITY OF SERVICE. THESE GUYS DO IT BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE. FANTASTIC SITE THAT THEY PICKED HERE. I ALWAYS LIKE TO SAY YOU GOTTA FACE REALITY AS IT IS AND NOT AS YOU WANT IT TO BE. TEXAS IS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. DALLAS, TEXAS IS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. WE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE AND WE GOT SOME TRAFFIC. HEB IS A GREAT MERCHANT OR THEY CAN CREATE MORE TRAFFIC. THEY HOPE SO. UH, BUT NOT ONLY DO THEY WANT TO HELP THE COMMUNITY, THEY WANNA MAKE MONEY SO THEY WANT TO GET PEOPLE IN AND OUTTA THERE. SO THEY'VE GOT A REALLY GOOD TRAFFIC PLAN. THE SITE PLAN'S FANTASTIC, VERY CREATIVE AS TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING. UM, AND IN SUMMARY, COULDN'T BE A BETTER SITE, COULDN'T BE A BETTER PLACE TO HAVE THE FIRST HEB FOOD AND DRUG COMBO IN DALLAS, TEXAS. AND THIS IS A HUGE WIN FOR DALLAS. HUGE WIN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HUGE WIN FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED. SO THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, DID WE GET OUR, ANY OF OUR ONLINE SPEAKERS, JORGE, BESIDES OUR, THE ONE IN OPPOSITION? OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT BEFORE WE GO TO OUR FOLKS IN OPPOSITION? OKAY, LET'S GO WITH OUR FOLKS IN OPPOSITION. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF CITY PLAN COMMISSION. MY NAME IS CHRIS BOWERS, 1316 VILLAGE CREEK [03:50:01] PARKWAY, PLANO, TEXAS, AND A PROUD RESIDENT OF DISTRICT 12 FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS. I REPRESENT SHELBY MANAGEMENT, LLC, WHICH OWNS A 5.7 ACRE PROPERTY, ABUTTING THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE AREA OF REQUEST. AND MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY IS IMPROVED WITH A 67,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING, UH, WITH TENANTS THAT ARE MOSTLY MEDICAL SERVICES, DENTISTS, PSYCHIATRIST, COUNSELORS, NEUROLOGISTS, AND SIMILAR OCCUPATIONS. AND MY CLIENT REQUESTS THAT THIS REQUEST BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT FOR FOUR WEEKS TO GIVE MY CLIENT AND OTHERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK, TO TRY TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT ISSUES. THE FIRST MAJOR ISSUE IS TRAFFIC IMPACTS. HE'S TRAFFIC STUDY USES A FORMULA IN A TRIP GENERATION MANUAL TO CALCULATE TRIP GENERATION, BUT THAT BOOK DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE POPULARITY OF HEB. FOR EXAMPLE, THE PLANO HEB OPENED IN NOVEMBER OF 2022, BUT THAT STORE STILL ATTRACTS VERY LARGE CROWDS OF CUSTOMERS WHO TRAVELED TO AND FROM THAT STORE IN THEIR CARS. AND MY CLIENT HAS REQUESTED ACTUAL TRAFFIC COUNTS FROM ESTABLISHED HEBS IN THE DFW AREA, BUT HAS NOT RECEIVED THAT. AND WE BELIEVE THAT THIS COMMISSION SHOULD LOOK AT ACTUAL DATA RATHER THAN RELY ON A BOOK. ALSO POINT OUT THAT, UH, THE CITY'S OWN PEOPLE SAY THAT, UH, MANY NEARBY INTERSECTIONS ARE ALREADY AT OR NEAR CAPACITY, AND THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS LIKELY TO INCREASE TRAFFIC TO THIS SITE BY UP TO FOUR TO SIX TIMES. AND THAT'S IF YOU RELY ON THE BOOK. AND SO MY CLIENT IS CONCERNED THAT THIS INCREASED TRAFFIC WILL RESULT IN MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT DELAYS ENTERING AND EXITING THIS AREA, AND IN TURN THAT SHE WILL LOSE, UH, TENANTS, UH, WHO WILL NOT, UH, WHO IN TURN ARE AFRAID OF LOSING PATIENTS. A SECOND CONCERN IS THE PROXIMITY OF THE, UH, OF THE DRIVEWAYS THAT HEB PROPOSES TO BUILD TO MY CLIENT'S BUILDING. THERE ARE CONFLICTING EXHIBITS FROM HEB, BUT AT LEAST ONE OF THEM SHOWS THE A DRIVEWAY WITHIN FIVE OR SO FEET OF MY CLIENT'S BUILDING. AND THERE'S NO BUFFERING SHOWN. AND THIS COULD BE A DANGER AS WELL AS CREATE, UH, FUMES AND, UH, THAT WOULD BE DISTURBING TO THE CLIENTS AND TENANTS. THE THIRD IS THE IMPACT OF, OF HOW OF SENATE BILL EIGHT 40 THAT MAKES THIS REQUEST. NOT A REGIONAL RETAIL REQUEST, BUT REALLY A REGIONAL MIXED USE REQUEST BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE TO ALLOW MULTIFAMILY IF YOU'RE ALLOWING OFFICE OR RETAIL. AND YES, SOME LEVEL OF MULTIFAMILY IS ALLOWED NOW, BUT THIS GREATLY INCREASES THE AMOUNT OF MULTIFAMILY THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED ON THIS SITE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. SO, UH, THIS IS A BIG CLAY, BIG CASE. PLEASE DON'T RUSH IT. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU. I AM BEVERLY HEFLIN, 44 34 MANNING LANE IN DALLAS. UM, I AM THE OWNER OF SHELBY MANAGEMENT, THE OFFICE BUILDING LOCATED ON THE CREEK AT THE END OF HILLCREST PLAZA DRIVE 12 7 4 OH HILLCREST AS A BUILDING OWNER AND AS A TENANT AND A MANAGER OF THE PROPERTY, I AM HERE TO REPRESENT THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE 30 PLUS TENANTS IN MY BUILDING WHO SERVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT. UH, 40 TO 50% OF THOSE PROVIDE MEDICAL SERVICES. THEY SERVE THE ELDERLY, AND, UH, MR. BOWERS UH, LISTED SOME OF THOSE IN HIS PRESENTATION. I'M ALSO HERE TO PROTECT A MULTI, UH, MILLION DOLLAR ASSET. UM, THROUGH IT IS A VALUABLE ASSET TO THE CITY OF DALLAS THROUGH ITS TENANT, TENANT BASE, AND ITS SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY AND PAYMENT OF PROPERTY TAXES. UM, I THINK THAT, UH, MR. BOWERS HAS DEFINED OUR SPECIFIC CONCERNS. I WON'T REPEAT THAT, BUT THE TRAFFIC THERE. CURRENTLY, YOU CAN SIT THROUGH THREE LIGHTS WITH THE, UM, PROPOSED SITE BEING NEARLY VACANT. UM, BASED ON MY PROXIMITY, UH, TO THE TRACT, UH, I HAD THE RIGHT FOR A 30 DAY DELAY THAT, UH, WAS ACTUALLY DENIED TO ME THROUGH THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. UH, THE, UM, NOTICE WAS SET OUT, UH, FOUR CLOCK, UH, EXCUSE ME, [03:55:01] UH, SEPTEMBER THE FOURTH, AND I DID NOT RECEIVE IT UNTIL 24 HOURS AFTER, UH, THE DEADLINE FOR FILING FOR THE DELAY. IT SEEMS ONLY FAIR AND REASONABLE TO HONOR THAT 30 DAY DELAY. AND I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU GRANT THE DELAY TO LAST TIME TO RESEARCH THE QUESTIONS AND ISSUES RAISED TODAY. I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. GONNA GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KRISTEN WALBERG. I LIVE AT 70 19 EUDORA DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 3 0 AND I'M VICE PRESIDENT OF THE HILLCREST FOREST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HILL. OF COURSE, FOREST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ENCOMPASSES OVER 1700 HOMES TO THE SOUTH AND WEST OF THE PROPOSED SITE. I AM HERE TODAY TO READ A LETTER THAT OUR PRESIDENT BRUCE WILKE, UM, WROTE AND, UM, HE IS TRAVELING TODAY AND UN UNABLE TO BE HERE IN PERSON TO ASK ME TO READ THIS LETTER. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, OUR BOARD HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT IT UNDERSTATES THE TRUE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC. OUR ASSOCIATION HAS SENT AN EMAIL TO THE COMMISSION A FEW DAYS AGO EXPLAINING THIS AND ASKING FOR SOME EXTRA TIME. MANY OF OUR MEMBERS ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ZONING REQUESTS AND WE ARE REQUESTING A SHORT POSTPONEMENT TO ENABLE US TO OBTAIN SOME ANSWERS. A FEW MORE WEEKS WILL NOT CAUSE ANY PROBLEMS. WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COMMISSION FOR THE COURTESY OF HOLDING THIS CASE UNTIL THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING TO ALLOW US TO GET OUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED SIGNED. BRUCE WILKEE, PRESIDENT HILLCREST FOREST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. MR. WILKE IS A FORMER CHAIRMAN OF THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. GOOD AFTERNOON. OH, YOU FOUND THE MAGIC BUTTON, . THANK GOODNESS I'VE DONE IT ONCE BEFORE. SO IF YOU, I LIKE THE MAGIC BUTTON. DO YOU WANNA JUST WAIT ON YOUR COMMENTS SO WE GET ALL THE COPIES OF THE DOCUMENT? YES, SIR, PLEASE. THANK YOU. THAT'S JUST SOME GENERAL INFORMATION IN A WEBSITE THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED. THE BACKSIDE HAS SOME POINTS TO IT. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND ESTEEM MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. MY NAME IS BURL GEORGE, AND I RESIDE AT HILL PARK DRIVE IN DISTRICT 11. I AM WITH THE HILLCREST PRESERVATION COALITION, A GROUP OF HILLCREST RESIDENTS COMMITTED TO PROTECTING OUR ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM ALL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE. MORE MEMBERS WOULD'VE EVEN BEEN HERE TODAY, BUT WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS CASE WAS GOING TO BE TAKEN UNDER ADVISEMENT DUE TO ITS NUMEROUS COMPLICATIONS AND UNRESOLVED ISSUES, WHICH I THINK YOU ALL HAVE HEARD IN THE BRIEFING TODAY. WE ARE HERE, UM, IN STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED REZONING FOR THE HEB PROJECT, FROM NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE TO THE MOST INTENSIVE RET RETAIL REGIONAL, UH, EXCUSE ME, REGIONAL RETAIL ZONING. THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED FOR AN EXCEPTION THAT IS OUT OF SCALE AND OUT OF CHARACTER WITH OUR COMMUNITY. 127,000 SQUARE FOOT INDUSTRIAL SIZED BUILDING IN STYLE WITH A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT PARKING GARAGE ON A MERE 9.9 SITE IS SIMPLY INCOMP AN INCOMPATIBLE USE OF THIS LAND. THIS IS NOT NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL. THIS IS A REGIONAL DESTINATION THAT WILL DRAW CUSTOMERS FROM A FIVE MILE RADIUS AND OVERWHELM OUR ALREADY CONGESTED INTER INTERSECTIONS. CONSIDER THE SHEER INADEQUACY OF THIS PLAN. [04:00:01] HE B'S OWN STANDARD FOR A STORE OF THIS SIZE IS ON A 20 ACRE SITE. THEY'RE GOING IN ON 10 ACRES, OR THE REZONING THAT IS, YET THEY ARE TRYING TO S SHOEHORN IT INTO LESS THAN HALF THE SPACE THAT THEY'RE, THEIR AWARENESS OF THIS DEFICIENCY IS PROVEN BY THEIR DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO ALREADY LEASE ADDITIONAL PARKING FROM ONE OF THE BUILDINGS, NOT THE, NOT THIS BUILDING, BUT ONE THAT'S JUST ACROSS. THIS IS A CLEAR ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THEIR PROPOSED SOLUTION WILL NOT BE A VIABLE PLAN FOR MANAGING THE MASSIVE TRAFFIC AND PARKING DEMANDS. THEY WILL GENERATE APPROVAL, WOULD SET AN UNACCEPTABLE PRECEDENT THAT ALLOWS DEVELOPERS TO NEGLECT BASIC PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND IMPOSE THE FALLOUT ON THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE TAX PAYING HOMEOWNERS AND HA AND HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY. WE EXPECT THE CITY TO UPHOLD THAT CONTRACT TO MAINTAIN THE SAME TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD WE BOUGHT IN, NOT ONE WITH IMMENSE CONGESTION NOISE. 18 WHEELERS AND SAFETY ISSUES. MAJOR SAFETY ISSUES FOR PEDESTRIANS APPROVING THIS ZONING WOULD BE CARELESS AND DRASTICALLY ALTER THE QUALITY OF LIFE WE VALUE. THIS IS A CRITICAL MOMENT. THE COMMISSION MUST UPHOLD THE INTEGRITY OF OUR ZONING CODES AND THE VISION OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I WOULD ASK THAT YOU HOLD THIS UNDER ADVI, UM, ADVISEMENT, BUT, UM, I WOULD ALSO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO, TO VOTE NO, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. GOOD AFTERNOON. HELLO, I'M LESLIE DESIS AND I LIVE AT 6 9 2 3 HEL SOME WAY IN DALLAS. UM, IT'S ABOUT 0.2 MILES FROM THIS SITE. UM, I WANNA QUICKLY TAG ONTO WHAT BERYL SAID. UM, THIS CASE IS ACTUALLY NOT ABOUT A EB AT ALL. IT'S ABOUT THE REZONING, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE. UM, THE REQUEST TO GO TO REGIONAL RETAIL, AS SHE SAID, IS AN ENORMOUS CHANGE. IT WILL PERMIT, USES WAY BEYOND A GROCERY STORE. IT COULD INCLUDE PAWN SHOP LIQUOR STORES, MANY MARTS WITH GAS PUMPS, A DOLLAR STORE BOARDING HOUSES. UM, IF THE ZONING REQUESTS WERE APPROVED, THIS COULD BRING BUSINESSES THAT ARE HIGHLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE TYPICAL MO UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, UH, NATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IF HEB WANTED TO CONSTRUCT A FOOD STORE, THEY COULD HAVE ASKED FOR JUST A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND THEN ALL THE OTHER ISSUES COULD BE ADDRESSED SUCH AS TRAFFIC AND NOISE AND CONGESTION AND AIR POLLUTION, ET CETERA. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENED. SO IF THIS CHANGE WERE MADE AND LET'S SAY HEB DECIDED NOT TO STAY THERE, AGAIN, IT'S THAT CHANGE TO THE ZONING, WHICH COMPLETELY CHANGES THE NATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, 10 MILES UP AND DOWN HILLCREST AVENUE, THERE'S NO SUCH REGIONAL RETAIL. UM, SECOND, I WANTED TO JUST TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT FORWARD DALLAS. UM, THE STAFFING. UM, THE PLANNING STAFF SAID THAT THE REZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH COMMUNITY MIXED USE AS SET FORTH IN FORWARD DALLAS 2.0. IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT, DOESN'T HAVE PROXIMITY TO PUBLIC TRANSIT. IT DOESN'T HAVE WALKABILITY AND IT DOESN'T FOLLOW ANY OF THE URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS OUTLINED IN THAT PLAN. UM, IT'S NOT ADJACENT AT ALL TO A DART STATION. THERE'S NO RAILROADS NEARBY. THERE ARE NO WALKABILITY OPTIONS. YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO DRIVE THERE. UM, VEHICULAR ACCESS SHOULD BE EASILY ACCESSIBLE. IT IS NOT. AS CHRIS MENTIONED, THERE ARE MANY, MANY TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND GREAT CONGESTION HERE. PARKING IS SUPPOSED TO BE AVOIDED ALONG FRONTAGE ROADS. IT IS NOT ATBS. PARKING AREAS ON THE NORTH SIDE WILL NOT BE SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW. SERVICE AREAS SHOULD BE SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW. THEIR LOADING DOCKS WILL BE RIGHT ON HILLCREST ROAD ONLY SCREENED BY A, A SIMPLE MASONRY WALL. AND FINALLY, UM, FORWARD DALLAS RECOMMENDS A WELL-CONNECTED PUBLIC REALM AND URBAN OPEN SPACE. THERE'S NO PUBLIC REALM ON THIS TRACT. THERE'S AN UNSIGHTLY MASON MASONRY WALL AND THERE'S NO URBAN OPEN SPACE. FINALLY, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, UM, WE HAVE ONLY JUST TODAY FOUND OUT ABOUT A PROPOSED DEED RESTRICTION. IF THIS DID GO FORWARD, WE WOULD ASK THAT THE COMMITTEE, UM, GIVES THE PUBLIC A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION. AND ALSO I ASK FOR THAT POSTPONEMENT FOR THAT PURPOSE. UM, AND I ALSO WOULD RECOMMEND A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IF THIS GOES FORWARD, SO THAT THEY CAN BE HELD TO CERTAIN STANDARDS IN THE CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S YOUR TIME. HOWEVER TIME. THANK YOU. THE RECOMMENDATION IS NO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. [04:05:04] GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS PAULA GOSS. I LIVE AT 71 25 RAG GLEN COURT IN DALLAS, TEXAS. WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT MY BACKYARD IS ON THE, IT LOOKS ONTO THE PARK THAT IS BEHIND BEVERLY, THE WOMAN WHO JUST TALKED TO YOU ABOUT HER FIVE ACRE PROPERTY. MY BACKYARD IS HER BACKYARD AND THEIR GARAGE IS GOING TO BE RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE. AND IF YOU DON'T THINK YOU'RE TALKING EARLIER TODAY, I WAS VERY IMPRESSED ABOUT HOW A DAYCARE COULD POSSIBLY IMPACT A NEIGHBORHOOD. AND YOU'RE SITTING HERE LISTENING TO 127,000 FOOT BUILDING BEING BUILT BEHIND MY HOUSE WITH A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT GARAGE, A 9.9 ACRES. THE 127,000 FEET, JUST TO, TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT, IS THE SAME SIZE AS TWO FOOTBALL FIELDS WITH THE END ZONES. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE BEHIND MY HOUSE. AND I WANNA BE CONCRETE ABOUT WHAT THEY SAY THE TRAFFIC'S GOING TO BE, DEPENDING ON WHAT, WHERE, WHAT YOU WANNA HEAR. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT VERSIONS, BUT THEY DID USE A BOOK AND THEY DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD TAKE, HE'S WORD FOR IT, THAT THEIR HEB STORES ARE LIKE 60% OF MOST GROCERY STORES AND 40% LIKE A, A, UM, SUPERSTORE, A LIKE A KMART. AND A KMART, BY THE WAY, HAS LOWER NUMBER OF CARS GOING IN AND OUT THAN A GROCERY STORE DOES. SO WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE THAT HEB IS GOING TO HAVE LESS TRAFFIC THAN A HUNDRED PERCENT GROCERY STORE. BUT IN ANY CASE, TO BE CONCRETE, THEY BELIEVE THERE'S GONNA BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 8,270 CARS A DAY AND NINE FOUR 9,460 CARS A DAY. WELL IN AND OUT. SO HALF THAT ON SATURDAYS. ON SATURDAYS DURING THE PEAK HOURS, THERE WILL BE BETWEEN 820 AND 1060 ACCORDING TO THEIR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS CARS PER HOUR, PER HOUR. IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO IMPACT HILLCREST ROAD, YOU ARE WRONG. HILLCREST ROAD ALREADY, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR MORE, I THINK. AND IT'S IN THE CAR TRAFFIC STUDY. I HOPE YOU'VE READ IT. IT ALREADY IS CLASSED AS D AND F AND E IN QUALITY OF DEFICIENCY OF, OF BEING ABLE TO OPERATE SUCCESSFULLY. LBJ AND, UM, 6 35 IS THE 13TH MOST CONGESTED INTERSECTION IN THE WHOLE STATE OF TEXAS. AND WE'RE NOW GOING TO PUT DURING ONE HOUR BETWEEN 800 AND THOUSANDS CARS IN AND OUT ON HILLCREST PLAZA DRIVE THE MITIGATION, WHICH THEY HAVE SUGGESTED, I WILL TELL YOU DOESN'T FIX ANYTHING. AND THEY DON'T PRETEND THAT IT'S GOING TO FIX ANYTHING. THEY'RE JUST THROWING OUT IDEAS THAT MAYBE THIS WILL HELP. SO WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE, THEY SAY THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE OUT A, UM, THE DIVIDING DI DIVIDER ON HILLCREST PLAZA DRIVE, BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE AGREEMENT OF ALL OF THE LANDOWNERS. I THINK YOU'VE HEARD YOU, THEY MAY NOT HAVE THAT. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, MY NAME IS DAVID BROOK. I'M, I LIVE AT 71 25 ERIC GLEN COURT. SOUNDS FAMILIAR. UM, UH, TRAFFIC, UM, IT'S A GONNA BE A REPEAT. UH, THERE WASN'T A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS DONE IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. UM, ANALYZING THE, UH, INTERSECTIONS OF 6 35 AND HILLCREST AND THE, UM, HILLCREST AND, UM, HILLCREST, UH, PLAZA INTERSECTIONS. UH, THE ISSUE TO GRADE ON THE INTERSECTIONS, THEY LOOKED AT THE TRAFFIC GOING EVERY DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND THEY ISSUE GRADES A TO F JUST LIKE YOU WOULD GET IN A SCHOOL. UH, THE INTERSECTIONS, UM, WERE ALL RECEIVING GRADES OF D THROUGH F UH, HE THAT WAS A, UH, ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE FOR H-E-B-H-E-B IN OUR MEETINGS HAS INDICATED THAT THEY'RE ESTIMATING, UH, THERE WILL BE 45,000 CARS A WEEK COMING THROUGH THOSE INTERSECTIONS. ONCE THE STORES ARE COMPLETE 45,000 CARS A WEEK. THESE INTERSECTIONS ARE AT CAPACITY. YOU CAN MAKE SOME MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO THEM, BUT YOU ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT TRAFFIC. [04:10:01] ADDITIONALLY, HUB HAS SHOWN US SOME PLANS THAT THEY HAVE FOR THEIR FINAL DESIGN. AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THERE ARE TWO EXITS FROM THEIR PROPERTY. ONE IS ONTO MID PARK ROAD THAT LEADS DOWN TO WHITE ROCK CREEK. ONE IS BACK OUT TO HILLCREST, UH, VIA HILLCREST PLAZA. MID PARK ROAD IS FREQUENTLY CLOSED DUE TO FLOODING OF WHITE ROCK CREEK. SO THERE IS NO EXIT THERE AT TIMES. AND IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN AT THE INTERSECTION OF HILLCREST AND HILLCREST PLAZA, THAT EXIT WOULD BE CLOSED. THEREFORE, SHOPPERS ARE BASICALLY TRAPPED IN THE HEB SHOPPING CENTER. THAT'S NOT A GREAT SOLUTION. I DON'T THINK THAT THEY HAVE A COMPLETE PLAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. HELLO, MY NAME'S JOAN NYE. I LIVE AT 7 0 5 4. HEL SOME WAY. UH, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL LISTENING THIS AFTERNOON. AND THE REASON I'M HERE IS I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND I WANNA ASK FOR AN EXTENSION. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK YOU ALL WOULD WANT TO. UM, THIS ISN'T THE AVERAGE CASE. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LIGHTS IN A FOOTBALL FIELD OR MOVING A BEAUTY SALON. THIS IS A BIG DEAL. UM, I'VE GONE TO ALL THE MEETINGS. I DO WANNA MENTION THAT I'M NOT AGAINST HEB. UM, HEB IS A GREAT STORE. THIS TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS COMMISSIONED BY HEB, I'M SURE IT WAS DONE ON TIME. I WENT TO THE MEETING. THE PEOPLE SEEM NICE. HOWEVER, THIS WAS ONLY RECENTLY POSTED, UH, TO THE CITY ZONING SITE. I SPENT MY LIFE AS A FINANCIAL PLANNER. AND I'M HERE TO TELL YOU, THIS IS COMPLICATED. IT'S NOT THAT I CAN'T LOOK AT NUMBERS. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS POSTED AT A LATE DATE. I'M SURE THIS COMPANY'S A VERY REPUTABLE COMPANY AND THAT'S WHY HEB HIRED HIM. IT'S COMPLICATED. IT INCLUDES A LOT OF JARGON AND ANALYSIS. SOME OF YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE A LITTLE BORED LISTENING TO IT RIGHT NOW AS YOU'RE HERE. UH, I CARE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, AND THAT'LL AFFECT US. AND IF HILLCREST BECOMES TERRIBLY CONGESTED, IT MIGHT BE THE MODEL FOR THE WHOLE LBJ CORRIDOR. UM, I THINK WE NEED THE ADDITIONAL TIME. I THINK Y'ALL WOULD WANT THE ADDITIONAL TIME. UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST COMPLICATED AND IT'S JUST DUE TO THE SIZE OF THIS AND, AND THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WE EXPECT IS GONNA COME TO THE AREA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS MARY ELLEN SMITH AND I LIVE DIRECTLY NORTH OF THE PRO PROPOSED SITE FACING HILLCREST. HILLCREST IS NOT A HIGHWAY. HILLCREST IS A RESIDENTIAL STREET WITH A 35 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT FROM PARK LANE TO ARAPAHOE. INTRODUCING A REGIONAL RETAIL DEVELOPMENT HERE WILL PUSH HEAVY TRAFFIC DIRECTLY ONTO NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS THAT WERE NEVER DESIGNED FOR IT. BUT TRAFFIC IS NOT THE ONLY CONCERN. FLOODING IS ANOTHER DEADLY SERIOUS CONCERN. EARLIER THIS YEAR, A MAN DROWNED AT PARK CENTRAL AND LBJ. NOT FROM DALLAS RAIN, BUT FROM RUNOFF POURING SOUTH FROM FRISCO AND PLANO. WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOME, IT SAT IN A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAIN. TODAY, TWO YEARS AGO AFTER YEARS OF PAVING AND ROAD WIDENING UPSTREAM, IT IS NOW IN A 50 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN AND SHOWS MY HOUSE UNDERWATER. EVERY ACRE OF NEW CON CONCRETE NORTH OF US WORSENS THE PROBLEM AND REZONING TO REGIONAL RETAIL WOULD ALLOW WALL TO WALL PAVEMENT PUSHING EVEN MORE WATER DOWNSTREAM. AND WHEN THE GATES AT 6 35 CLOSE AS THEY HAVE EIGHT TIMES THIS YEAR, EIGHT TIMES TRAFFIC WILL FUNNEL STRAIGHT DOWN HILLCREST INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS IS NOT PLANNING. THIS IS RECKLESSNESS. THIS IS FLOODING ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED YET HEB HAS NOT PROVIDED A SITE PLAN. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY REALLY INTEND TO BUILD A STORE ON THIS SITE. GRANTING REGIONAL RETAIL ZONING TODAY GIVES THEM CARTE BLANCHE TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH NO CLEAR COMMITMENT AND NO SAFEGUARDS FOR RESIDENTS. ALL OF THIS HAS MOVED FAR TOO QUICKLY. THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND OTHER CRITICAL DOCUMENTS WERE ONLY JUST POSTED ONLINE AND [04:15:01] NEIGHBORS HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO STUDY OR TO RESPOND. COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE ASKING FOR FAIRNESS. PLEASE GRANT A 30 DAY DELAY SO RESIDENTS CAN FULLY EVALUATE THE FLOOD TRAFFIC AND SAFETY IMPACTS. AND IF TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY FROM H-D-B-H-E-B DO NOT IMPROVE, I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO. DALLAS MUST PUT PEOPLE FIRST OVER PROFITS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. MS. SMITH, CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? 1 3 1 2 2 HILLCREST ROAD. THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR, UH, BEING HERE TO HELP US WITH THIS COMMUNITY PROJECT THAT WE HAVE. AND I KNOW YOU THINK WE ARE KIND OF REDUNDANT IN SOME OF OUR CONVERSATION, BUT WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH THIS AND WE'RE VERY, VERY UPSET WITH WHAT WE HAVE COMING. MY NAME IS KATHY KAUFMAN. I LIVE AT 1 0 8 0 5 L GLEN CIRCLE, DALLAS, TEXAS. AND, UM, I'M PART OF THE HILLCREST PRESERVATION COALITION. WE ALL RESPECT H E'S REPUTATION AS A QUALITY GROCER, BUT THE PROPOSAL AT LVJ AND HILLCREST IS NOT THE SAME HEV MODEL THAT OTHER TEXAS COMMUNITIES ENJOY. AND IT RAISES SERIOUS LAND USE AND PLANNING CONCERNS FOR THIS SITE. ACROSS THE STATE, THEY BUILD ON 20 OR MORE ACRES WITH WIDE ACCESS ROADS, SURFACE PARKING FOR 800, UH, OR MORE VEHICLES AND ROOM TO MANAGE THEIR TRAFFIC. THE LBJ AND HILLCREST TRACK IS HALF THE SIZE, JUST 10 ACRES, PARTLY IN A FLOODPLAIN AND ALREADY IN A STRESSED INTERSECTION. THE PROPOSED STORE IS EXPECTED TO GENERATE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF TRIPS PER WEEK WITHOUT ANY MEANINGFUL ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS. PARKING CAPACITY IS INADEQUATE. IT CALLS FOR 625 GARAGE SPACES TO SERVE BOTH CUSTOMERS AND 650 ROTATING EMPLOYEES. HEV HAS SUGGESTED LEASING ADDITIONAL PARKING FROM NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE BUILDINGS. WELL, WE'VE SEEN THAT PROMISE BEFORE WE CENTRAL MARKET AT ROYAL AND PRESTON, HEV MADE THE SAME SIMILAR COMMITMENTS THAT NEVER MATERIALIZED THE PARKING WITH A UH, ST. MARK'S NEVER, UH, MATERIALIZED. OVERFLOW PARKING IS A REOCCURRING PROBLEM. PROBLEM I CAN'T TALK TODAY. UH, WHEN RETAIL INTENSITY EXCEEDS THE PARKING CAPACITY, THE ORIENTATION OF THE STORE IS ALSO PROBLEMATIC. TRUCK DOCKS, COMPACTORS, IDLING DELIVERY VEHICLES WILL FACE HILLCREST AVENUE. IS THAT REALLY WHAT YOU WANNA SEE WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN LVJ AND HILLCREST FOR DALLAS? THIS IS INTRODUCES NOISE, AIR QUALITY IMPACTS AND VISUAL BLIGHT TO A RESIDENTIAL EDGE INSTEAD OF BUFFERING THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH LANDSCAPING. THIS PLAN PLACES THE MOST INTENSIVE OPERATIONS FRONT AND CENTER FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE. THE ZONING REQUEST COMPOUNDS THE ISSUE. WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING ABOUT HEV, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING ABOUT REGIONAL RETAIL. WELL, YOU CAN'T KEEP FLIP FLOPPING BACK AND FORTH AND THINK THAT WE CAN, UH, ADDRESS EVERYTHING TOGETHER BECAUSE THERE'S SEPARATE, UH, USES. THE, THE REQUEST IS THE MOST INTENSE RETAIL CATEGORY IN DALLAS AND IT ALLOWS 70 FOOT BUILDINGS UP TO 80% LOCK COVERAGE AND A WIDE RANGE OF OTHER HIGH TRAFFIC COMMERCIAL USES. THE LEVEL OF ENTITLEMENT IS FAR BEYOND WHAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR A 10 ACRE SITE WITH NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS WITHOUT A BINDING PLAN. THERE ARE NO ENFORCEABLE COMMITMENTS ON TRAFFIC BUFFERING OR OPERATIONS. MAYBE THEY HAVE SOME WITH THE CITY, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THEM THAT WE HAVE NOT HEARD ABOUT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR JOINING THIS. COULD I TAKE ONE MINUTE? PARDON ME? I WANNA TAKE ONE MINUTE. NO, I'M SORRY. OUR, OUR RULES DIDN'T NOT ALLOW ANY EXTRA TIME. WELL, I'LL SAY IT AS I'LL WALK AWAY. PARDON? I WANNA PARDON ME. THANK. PARDON. I WANT TO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR SO LONG AND DONE SO MUCH. YOU FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS. SO I WANNA SMILE AND SAY THANK YOU FOR ALWAYS BEING HERE FOR US. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. GOOD AFTERNOON. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M DAWN CHRISTENSEN. I LIVE AT 65 45 LONGFELLOW DRIVE HERE IN DALLAS. I'M A RELATIVELY OLD YET NEW RESIDENT. I'VE LIVED IN THIS AREA OR MY FAMILY HAS FOR 60 YEARS IN THAT EXACT LOCATION. I MOVED BACK HERE IN JANUARY AND WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THIS PLAN, I WAS KIND OF SHOCKED BECAUSE I'M BACK WHERE MY DAD WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO. MANY YEARS AGO. SOME OF YOU MIGHT REMEMBER WHEN ROSS PEROT OPENED DD S'S HEADQUARTERS THERE IN LAKE FOREST, WHICH IS NOW A [04:20:01] GATE OF COMMUNITY. THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS A, WAS IN SUPPORT OF THIS A LITTLE WHILE AGO, LIVES IN A GATE OF COMMUNITY AND WILL NOT HAVE THE IMPACT I WILL HAVE ON MY STREET OR MY AREA OF THIS RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN. I'M NOT AGAINST HEBI SHOP AT THEIR STORES. I DRIVE TO PLANO. SO THIS IS NOT ABOUT HEB. THIS IS MY CONCERN ABOUT THE CHAINS IN THE ZONING. THE, THE EDS REFERENCE. BY THE WAY, THEY FOUGHT ROSS BARRO BECAUSE HE WANTED TO DUMP ALL HIS HEADQUARTERS TRAFFIC ONTO WILLOW LANE OFF OF, OFF OF HILLCREST. I'M OFF OF WILLOW LANE. HAD HE GOTTEN THAT, I'D HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT LIFE EXPERIENCE ON IN THAT AREA. IT'S A HEAVILY WALKED STREET. THERE ARE TWO SYNAGOGUES ON CHURCHILL WAY, WHICH BY THE WAY, IN THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY WAS INACCURATELY REPRESENTED. CHURCHILL WAY IS NOT A FOUR LANE ROAD. IT IS PARTIALLY FOUR LANE, BUT IS ALSO TWO LANE AND HAS TWO SYNAGOGUES AND SCHOOLS ON PRIVATE SCHOOLS ON IT. PEOPLE WALK TO THOSE AREAS, IT HAS NO CURBS. SO GUESS WHAT, WHEN WE START HAVING PEOPLE CUT THROUGH FROM PRESTON OR FROM WHEREVER ELSE TRYING TO AVOID THAT CENTRAL BACKUP OR THE LBJ BACKUP, THEY COME DOWN OUR STREET. IT HAPPENED WITH COOPER CLINIC UNTIL THEY SHUT OFF THE ACCESS FROM WILLOW LANE INTO THEIR AREA. PEOPLE FLEW LIKE BANSHEES DOWN WILLOW LANE. IT'S, IT'S A DANGEROUS PROPOSITION. WITH THE STUDY THAT I'M SEEING SO FAR, MY BIGGEST CONCERNS REALLY START TO COME DOWN TO WHERE IS THE DETAIL. 'CAUSE EVERY TIME I ASK FOR QUESTIONS, EVEN AT THE MEETING RECENTLY, I SAID, HEY, WHAT ABOUT THIS TRAFFIC STUDY? THEY SAID, OH, WE'RE GONNA GET THAT TO YOU TO DATE, I'VE HEARD NOTHING. AND THEY HAVE MY EMAIL. THEY HAVE ME REGISTERED FOR THEIR MEETINGS EVERY TIME WE ASK THEM QUESTIONS IN THE MEETING. TRUST US, WE'RE HEB. WE'RE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. I GET IT. I GREW UP IN THE CORPORATE WORLD, BUT TRUST US DOES NOT WORK VERY WELL FOR ME. SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO GIVE US SOME MORE TIMES AS NEIGHBORS. I'M, MY PREFERENCE OBVIOUSLY IS TO VOTE IT DOWN. IT'D BE GREAT IF THEY BUILD JUST A SMALLER STORE, BUT THEY WON'T. THEY DON'T WANT TO. BUT AT THIS POINT I NEED MORE TIME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR PLAN IS BECAUSE THEY'VE YET TO REPRESENT IT. THEY HAVE NOT BROUGHT IT FORWARD. AND ANY OF THE MEETINGS, THEY SHOW US THESE LITTLE PICTURES OF THE BUILDINGS AND SAY, TRUST US. I'M SORRY I'M NOT FROM THAT ENVIRONMENT WHERE I CAN JUST TRUST A LARGE CORPORATION. AND I WORKED FOR THEM. SOME OF THE LARGEST IN THE WORLD, PLEASE CONSIDER DELAYING THIS. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? OKAY. PER OUR RULES, THE APPLICANT GETS A REBUTTAL TIME. OH, PARDON ME. PARDON ME. PARDON ME. PARDON ME. I THINK WE HAVE A, A SPEAKER ONLINE. MY APOLOGIES, SIR. UH, MR. MACKLER, ARE YOU ONLINE SIR? YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES SIR. PLEASE. YOUR COMMENTS. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I AM SCOTT MACKLER. I LIVE AT 1 2 1 2 3 EDGE STONE ROAD IN DALLAS. I'M IN THE LAKE FOREST COMMUNITY. I'M THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE HOA. IT'S 175 ACRES, 250 DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOME TAXPAYERS. AND WE'RE ADDING ANOTHER 110 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES CURRENTLY, WHICH WON'T HELP TRAFFIC. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A ZONING APPLICATION AND A PERMITTING PACKAGE, BUT THE WORK DONE FOR THIS ZONING APPLICATION IS INADEQUATE IN MY OPINION AS AN ENGINEER. I PRACTICED ENGINEERING BUILDING HIGH TECH FACILITIES, DOMESTICALLY, OVERSEAS SEAS FOR 46 YEARS. LIFE SAFETY HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY NUMBER ONE CRITERIA ON ANY PROJECT. THE TRAFFIC MITIGATION PLAN PRESENTED BY HEB, IT'S SIMPLY INADEQUATE THAT PLOT OF LAND IS LANDLOCKED AND NO AMOUNT OF MINOR IMPROVEMENTS TO SURROUNDING ROADS WILL SERVE TO ELIMINATE MAJOR GRIDLOCK. ONCE HEB RECEIVES A REGIONAL ZONING CHANGE AND COMPLETES A DETAILED IN-DEPTH TRAFFIC STUDY THAT DOESN'T RELY ON TEXTBOOK FORMULA AND WISHES AND HOPES, HEB MIGHT FLIP THAT PLOT FOR A QUICK PROFIT. AND WITH THAT FAR MORE LIBERAL ZONING DESIGNATION, ANYTHING COULD BE BUILT THERE. THE ZONING PROCESS HERE IN DALLAS ENCOURAGES MINIMAL PLANNING AND FAVORS THE DEVELOPER. IT'S TIME THAT WE GET SERIOUS ABOUT PRACTICING PROPER PROGRAMMING AND DETAILED FACT-BASED ENGINEERING. DALLAS CAN NO LONGER AFFORD TO SAY, HEY, LET'S BOT IT AND FIGURE OUT IF IT WORKS AFTERWARD. THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS NOT BASED ON REAL DATA, AND THE DESIGN PRESENTED BY THE HEB TRAFFIC CONSULTANT ILLUSTRATES THAT THEY CAN ONLY MAKE VERY MINOR TWEAKS. THE CARTOONS THEY PRESENTED ONLY SHOWED COMPLETELY EMPTY STREETS. FOR EXAMPLE, HILLCREST PLAZA DRIVE, ONCE IT'S EXPANDED TO FOUR LANES, WILL MAKE EXITING THE OFFICE BUILDINGS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HILLCREST PLAZA DRIVE NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE. AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THE FLOOD ZONE WATER BACKS UP ALONG THE LBJ EASTBOUND [04:25:01] ACCESS ROAD, ALL THE WAY UP TO THE A EB PROPOSED SITE. PEOPLE DIE ON PARK CENTRAL WHEN THE WHITE ROCK CREEK FLOODS THE EXIT FROM A EB FEEDS RIGHT INTO THE ACCESS ROAD. THAT GOES DOWN INTO PARK CENTRAL. AND ALL A EB CAN OFFER HIS WISHES AND HOPES REGARDING SWING GATES. THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE CITY WILL ALLOW OR HOW THEY'LL BE ACTUALLY MANUAL. AUTOMATIC. HEV SAID, WELL, YEAH, WE REALLY DON'T KNOW. AND FLOODING OCCURS OFTEN WHEN IT'S NOT RAINING IN DALLAS, BUT UPSTREAM IN PLANO AND A WALL OF WATER COMES RUSHING DOWN. JUST LIKE THE TRAGEDY THAT HAPPENED IN HILL COUNTRY. LOOK, IT'S NOT ABOUT A EB, IT'S ABOUT TRYING TO SHOEHORN A GIANT A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT STORE INTO A LOT THAT'S 50% OR MORE TOO SMALL AND AN INTERSECTION WHERE TRAFFIC IS ALREADY OVERWHELMING. TRAFFIC BACKS UP NOW ALL THE WAY TO FOREST AT RUSH HOUR IT'LL BACK UP DOWN TO ROYAL OR WALNUT HILL. IF THIS HILL PLAN PROJECT IS REALIZED AND THE PROJECT DOESN'T FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S NO OTHER RETAIL ON HILLCREST FOR MILES IN EITHER DIRECTION. IT'S MAINLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND OFFICE BUILDINGS. THIS ZONING APPLICATION IS NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME, IN MY OPINION. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. IT SHOULD NOT BE VOTED ON TODAY BY THANK YOU SIR. CBC, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, OKAY, NOW IT'S THE REBUTTAL TIME PER OUR RULES. GOOD AFTERNOON. JUST A FEW POINTS, CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO ASK OUR SUPPORTERS HERE TO STAND. WE'VE KEPT THEIR COMMENTS TO A MINIMUM OUT OF RESPECT FOR YOUR TIME. IF YOU COULD PLEASE STAND. AND YOU ALSO HAVE ALSO RECEIVED SEVERAL EMAILS, UM, AND CORRESPONDENCE FROM OUR SUPPORTERS AS WELL. UM, WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR ABOUT A YEAR NOW. UH, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD. WE THINK IT'S AN ABSOLUTE GREAT LOCATION. WE ARE RIGHT ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD OF 6 35 MAJOR INTERSTATE ARTERIAL. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT FOR A COUPLE REASONS. IT'S A GROCERY STORE, WHICH BRINGS GOOD AMENITIES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'LL HAVE A FULL KOSHER OFFERINGS AS WELL. IT'LL HAVE A PHARMACY. YOU HEARD THERE WERE SEVERAL MEDICAL OFFICE USES SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY. AND WE THINK THAT THE PHARMACY IS A GOOD ADDITION AS WELL. UM, AS FAR AS MITIGATION MEASURES, THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO PROPOSE IN OUR INITIAL TRAFFIC, UM, REPORT. THERE WERE SOME TRAFFIC MITIGATION THINGS THAT WERE SUGGESTED. UM, THE ONE I THINK THAT IS OF THE MOST BENEFIT AND ONE THAT WE CAN DELIVER ON QUICKLY IS THE RIGHT TURN LANE ON HILLCREST. IF YOU'RE IN HILLCREST RIGHT NOW, YOU STOP AT THE LIGHT. AND IF YOU'RE IN THAT LANE GOING FORWARD, YOU HAVE TO STAND AND WAIT UNTIL THE CAR IN FRONT OF YOU TAKES WHATEVER ACTION THEY'RE GONNA TAKE. EITHER TURN, TURN RIGHT, OR GO STRAIGHT. WHAT WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW AS AN IMMEDIATE WIN IS PUT A TRAFFIC LANE FOR AN IMMEDIATE RIGHT, A SMART RIGHT TURN LANE IN WHICH ALLOWS CARS TO MOVE FORWARD AND THROUGH THAT TRAFFIC LIGHT AND ALLOW THE THROUGH TRAFFIC TO CONTINUE. WE ALSO HAVE SEVERAL OTHER TRAFFIC MITIGATION THINGS PROPOSED IN RTIA. UM, AND THEN SECOND OF ALL THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AS WE STARTED TO DEVELOP FURTHER, WE DID HEAR SOME COMMENTS REGARDING SOME OF THE MORE INTENSE USES IN REGIONAL RETAIL. UM, AND YOU'LL SEE THE LIST UP HERE. I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER IT 'CAUSE I RUSHED THROUGH IT ON THE FIRST PART. UM, IT INCLUDES COMMERCIAL AND BUSINESS SERVICE USES SUCH AS, UH, BUILDING REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE SHOP MACHINE HEAVY EQUIPMENT OR TRUCK SALES AND SERVICES, SOME OF THE MORE INTENSE RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICES, AUTO SERVICE CENTER, COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT, INSIDE MORTUARY, FUNERAL HOME, UH, PAWN SHOP, VEHICLE SHOP, UH, COMMERCIAL BUS STATION, COMMERCIAL RADIO OR TELEVISION. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. AND THOSE WILL ALL BE RESTRICTED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. MI MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, RECOGNIZING THE TIME IS UP, I, WOULD IT BE PERMISSIBLE TO ALLOW MS. KEDRON TO FINISH READING THE DEED RESTRICTIONS INTO THE RECORD? UH, I THINK THEY WERE ALREADY TURNED IN THIS WEEK. YEAH. AND THAT PUTS 'EM ON THE RECORD. IS THAT THAT CORRECT COUNSELOR? THE, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE IN THE RECORD? YES, WE HAVE THEM. OKAY. UH, WE HAVE STRICT TIME CHAIR. YES, COMMISSIONER KING. I CAN'T GET THE, UH, AGENDA WITH THE CASE MATERIALS TO PULL UP AND I CAN'T SEE THE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE POSTED BECAUSE I'M OLD AND MY EYES DON'T WORK THAT WELL. SO I JOIN IN COMMISSIONER SIM'S REQUEST THAT SHE FINISH READING THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AT SOME POINT. UH, UH, I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN THAT THE FIRST QUESTION THAT WILL BE POED THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT WILL BE TO, UH, READ THOSE RESTRICTIONS INTO THE RECORD. UH, BUT PER OUR RULES, AS WE CHANGE THEM, WE BEGIN WITH A MOTION. COMMISSIONER SIMS, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I DO. IN THE CASE OF Z 2 5 0 0 0 0 8 5, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF WITH THE AMENDED DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SIMS FOR MOTION ADVICE. CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER SIMS, PLEASE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, NOW I APPRECIATE [04:30:01] MR. CHAIRMAN, EVERYONE WHO HAS SHOWN UP TODAY AND EVERYONE THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM, UH, I CAN SAY THAT THIS IS NOT JUST A CASE IN MY DISTRICT. IT'S A CASE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I LIVE ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MILES AWAY FROM THIS PROPOSED SITE, AND MY IN-LAWS LIVE LESS THAN HALF A MILE AWAY. UH, SINCE I'VE JOINED THIS COMMISSION, I HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE REGULARLY. UH, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, MR. CHAIR, FEEL VERY PASSIONATELY ABOUT THIS. UM, THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AT WHICH MULTIPLE PEOPLE ASKED LOTS OF QUESTIONS. TODAY, WE'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE. AND AS I THINK AS EACH OF US AROUND THE HORSESHOE KNOW, WE HAVE RECEIVED 91 EMAILS IN THE LAST TWO OR THREE DAYS IN FAVOR OF THIS STORE. UM, FOR THOSE REASONS, I AM NOT SURE WHAT MORE WE WOULD LEARN BY DELAYING THIS PROCESS FOR AN ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS. I FEEL LIKE IN, FROM MY VIEW, WE HAVE HEARD QUITE A BIT WITH RESPECT TO THIS. UM, WE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF A STORE WAS NOT BUILT. I WOULD HUMBLY SUGGEST TO THE COMMISSION THAT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS. UH, WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT TRAFFIC, BUT WE ALSO HEARD FROM OUR CITY ENGINEERING STAFF FROM MR. NAVAREZ THAT THE STAFF AT THIS POINT HAVE NO OBJECTIONS PROVIDED THAT THE DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES TO COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE CITY OF DALLAS STANDARDS. UM, AT COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WE'VE HEARD THE APPLICANT SAY TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT IF PEOPLE CANNOT GET TO THE STORE, THE STORE WILL NOT BE A SUCCESS. AND I TAKE THEM AT THEIR WORD. AND I BELIEVE THE TRAFFIC MITIGATION MEASURES THAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED, INCLUDING AS MS. KEDRON JUST SAID, UH, MOVING AHEAD WITH THE RIGHT TURN LANE AT HILLCREST AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, WILL HELP TO MITIGATE TRAFFIC IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK TOO, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT. I THINK THERE'S AN INTERSECTION THAT MAY BE SOMEWHAT ANALOGOUS HERE. UM, IF YOU THINK ABOUT MIDWAY ROAD IN 6 35, THERE IS A WALMART SUPERSTORE THERE, A SAM'S CLUB THERE WITH A BUNCH OF GAS PUMPS. AND I DRIVE THROUGH THERE FAIRLY FREQUENTLY. AND WHEN I DRIVE, I DRIVE THROUGH THERE, TRAFFIC MOVES THROUGH THERE, AND THAT'S A MUCH LARGER USE. UM, SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE THINK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF DALLAS, THE ONLY THING THAT HAS BEEN UNCHANGED IS THAT DALLAS CHANGES. AND WE ARE THE ANCHOR CITY OF ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING METROPOLITAN AREAS IN THE COUNTRY. AND I THINK THE WAY THAT THAT CONTINUES TO BE TRUE IS THAT DALLAS IS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE, WORK, SHOP, AND EAT. AND I WOULD SUGGEST MR. CHAIR TO OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT THIS ZONING CHANGE WOULD BE A POSITIVE STEP IN THAT DIRECTION. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, MS. KEDRON, BEFORE WE KEEP GOING, CAN YOU PUT THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS UP AND, AND ZOOM IN IF YOU CAN SO WE CAN READ THEM, UH, TO PULL THE VEIL BACK A LITTLE BIT. OUR LITTLE, OUR SCREENS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THESE PODIUMS ARE THE SIZE OF A POSTCARD, AND SOME OF US HAVE TROUBLE READING THEM. SO IF YOU COULD ZOOM IN REALLY, REALLY, REALLY IN THERE AND, AND THEN READ. THAT'S IT. PERFECT. AND YOU PLEASE READ THEM IN ONE BY ONE, PLEASE. YES, SIR. UNDER THE COMMERCIAL AND BUSINESS SERVICE USES BUILDING REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE SHOP MACHINERY, HEAVY EQUIPMENT OR TRUCK SALES AND SERVICES UNDER THE RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE USES AUTO SERVICE CENTER, COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT, INSIDE MORTUARY, FUNERAL HOME OR COMMERCIAL WEDDING CHAPEL, PAWN SHOP, VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE UNDER TRANSPORTATION, USES COMMERCIAL BUS STATION AND TERMINAL AND UNDER UTILITY AND PUBLIC SERVICE USES COMMERCIAL RADIO OR TELEVISION TRANSMITTING STATION AND ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, IF YOU COULD PULL ALSO THE, UH, THE OTHER SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE INTERSECTION THAT WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT AND, UH, THE POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENT. YES, SIR. THIS IS THE RIGHT TURN LANE FROM HILLCREST TURNING RIGHT ONTO THE FEEDER ROAD OF I 6 35. SO IF, OR THIS ONE, IF AND WHEN THIS GETS PASSED, WHAT, WHAT IS THE PHASING OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT, UH, HEB IS COMMITTING TO? YEAH, TYPICAL PHASING WOULD BE WHEN THEY DO SITE WORK, BUT I'VE VISITED WITH MY CLIENT BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S AN IMMEDIATE NEED OF THE COMMUNITY AND THEY'RE AGREEABLE TO STARTING THAT. ASAP? THAT WOULD BE FIRST, YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. IS, UH, DR. CONLEY BACK THERE SOMEWHERE. DR. CONLEY, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR. HONORABLE CHAIR AND MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE, DR. GAS CARLEY, DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. SO, UH, THIS, THIS MORNING WE, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TIA AND, UM, AFTER READING MAYBE [04:35:01] 3, 4, 500 OF THOSE, I DON'T CONSIDER MYSELF AN EXPERT, BUT I THINK I HAVE MY, MY HEAD WRAPPED AROUND THIS ONE. SO I'M HOPING THAT MAYBE YOU COULD TAKE A LITTLE BROADER VIEW HERE AND, AND PUT THIS POTENTIAL PROJECT AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT MIGHT BE COMING IN WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THAT INTERSECTION. THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, I TAKE, UM, A SPECIAL INTEREST IN THIS, UM, UH, CASE. USUALLY I'M NOT HERE, RIGHT? AS YOU KNOW. UM, UH, MR. NAVARRES, UH, UH, COVERS THESE, UM, ZONING CASES. HOWEVER, I WANTED TO MAKE A POINT ON THIS ONE, UH, BECAUSE I STARTED LOOKING AT THIS INTERSECTION ABOUT THREE TO FOUR YEARS AGO, AS A MATTER OF FACT. UH, I HAVE VISITED THAT LOCATION SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE FORMER, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BECAUSE OF MY CONCERN THAT MOST OF THE RESIDENTS HAD MENTIONED OF THE TRAFFIC AND, UH, THE CONDITIONS THERE. AND THE FIRST THING THAT I SAID AT THAT TIME, THERE WERE THREE THINGS. NUMBER ONE IS WE NEEDED TO GET, UH, HILLCREST PLAZA TRAFFIC SIGNAL UPGRADED BECAUSE OF THE COUNTY, UH, BUILDING. NUMBER TWO, WE ABSOLUTELY NEEDED TO HAVE A RIGHT TURN LANE AT HILLCREST AND 36, 35. AND NUMBER THREE IS CHURCHILL WAY AND HILLCREST, BECAUSE THAT ONE IS A VINTAGE 1960 OR 70 ISH TIME, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND ALL THE CONDUITS AND EVERYTHING IS CRUSHED UNDER THE PAVEMENT. I CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT EXCEPT COMPLETE REPLACEMENT. SO, UM, FAST FORWARD, UH, WHEN I SAW AND LEARNED ABOUT THIS, UH, POTENTIAL PROJECT, UM, THE, UH, OPPORTUNITY HERE IS GREAT FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IS DATA-DRIVEN. AND THE OPPORTUNITY HERE IS THE FACT THAT, UM, WE ALREADY HAVE A BRAND NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT, UH, HILLCREST PLAZA. SO THE EQUIPMENT AND THE ELECTRONICS, THE EXISTING, UH, EQUIPMENT AND ELECTRONICS ARE UP TO DATE AND CAN BE UPGRADED TO EVEN HIGHER, UH, UM, TECHNOLOGY. THE OPPORTUNITY OF REMOVING ALL THE, UH, RIGHT TURN MOVEMENT OFF OF THE THROUGHPUT OF THE THROUGH LANE AND PUT 'EM ON THE DEDICATED RIGHT TURN LANE. AND THEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO UPGRADE THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL EQUIPMENT AT 6 35, INCLUDING THE PEDESTRIAN EQUIPMENT AND FACILITIES AT THAT LOCATION WITH THE POTENTIAL UPGRADE FOR US TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO ON CHURCHILL WAY AND HILLCREST. ALL THIS WILL ALLOW US TO SYNC ALL THESE TRAFFIC SIGNALS TOGETHER AND WILL ALLOW US TO HAVE A MUCH HIGHER THROUGHPUT, EVEN WITH ADDED, UH, TRAFFIC BECAUSE OF THE STORES, EVEN WHEN, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, EVEN WHEN THEY HAVE, UH, ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ON THE WEEKENDS. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE, UH, BUSINESSES AND THE COUNTY WORK, UH, TRAFFIC, UM, UH, COMING OUT ON THE WEEKEND. SO ALL TO SAY IS, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS A HIGH LEVEL, UH, TRAFFIC OPERATION STANDPOINT, FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE AREA, THIS IMPROVEMENT WILL SAVE THE CITY A LOT OF MONEY, UH, A LOT OF RESOURCES AND A LOT OF INVESTMENT, UH, COMPARED TO, UH, AND THE BENEFITS ARE SO HIGH ON THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT THAT, UH, WILL ALLOW US TO SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC OPERATION IN THIS AREA. UM, AND THEN FINALLY, I WILL CLOSE THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER HAS CLEARLY MENTIONED IS THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING AT MIDWAY, WE'VE GOT A MUCH HIGHER, UM, UH, TRAFFIC GENERATION AT THAT LOCATION AND THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS STILL OPERATING, UH, FINE, EVEN THOUGH THAT THE EQUIPMENT IS ABOUT AT LEAST FIVE YEARS OLD IN THAT AREA. SO, THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US COMMISSIONERS. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE FOR MS. KRON? YES, MA'AM. YES. LOOKING AT THE LIST OF USES THAT YOU'RE OFFERING TO BE PROHIBITED IN, IN DEED RESTRICTIONS, UM, IT LOOKS AT YOUR, UM, HAVE INCLUDED MOST OF THE AUTOMOTIVE, YOU KNOW, HEAVY MACHINERY USES, UM, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ADD VEHICLE OR ENGINE REPAIR OR MAINTENANCE TO THE LIST? YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. THANK YOU. THIS MAY BE FOR MS. KUTCHER OR IT MAY BE FOR STAFF, BUT WE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS FROM THE BUSINESSES ALONG HILLCROST PLAZA, UM, DRIVE ON THEIR ACCESS. AND I READ IN THE TIA THAT THERE'S AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO. COULD YOU SPEAK TO WHAT THE OUTREACH HAS BEEN TO THOSE FOLKS AND HOW THEIR ACCESS CONSIDERATIONS ARE ADDRESSED IN THIS PLAN? 'CAUSE IT APPEARS THERE'S SOME ONGOING CONVERSATIONS BASED ON THE YES, MA'AM. THERE IS A PRIVATE, UH, ACCESS AGREEMENT FOR THAT PROPERTY. UM, WHAT YOU HEARD FROM MS. HEFLIN EARLIER, WE HAD SOME RECENT DISCUSSIONS [04:40:01] WITH HER. UM, AND IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING NOW THAT SHE DOES NOT WANT THAT DRIVE TO EXTEND TO HER PROPERTY. UM, AND WE CAN SIMPLY REMOVE THAT DRIVE. WE HAVE FULL ACCESS ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD, AND WE ALSO HAVE TWO OTHER PROPOSED LOCATIONS FURTHER DOWN THAT DRIVE. UM, IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING EARLY ON, AND WE WERE VISITING WITH SOMEONE WE THOUGHT WAS HER REPRESENTATIVE, THAT THEY ASKED FOR THAT CUT THROUGH AND FOR THAT TO BE CONNECTED TO 6 35 RIGHT THERE. AND IN RECENT CONVERSATIONS, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT SHE DID NOT WANT IT, SO WE CAN REMOVE IT. UM, I THINK THE DISCUSSIONS ARE ONGOING. WE'RE HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO ENTERTAIN THAT, BUT EITHER WAY, IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PRIVATE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE PARTIES. WELL, AND I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT'S INDICATED IS DRIVEWAY F UM, ON THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, SO IF THAT CIRCULATION IS REMOVED, IS THAT, I, I KNOW IT IS OUTSIDE OF THIS BODY, YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH ENGINEERING ARE ONGOING, BUT JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT, HOW THAT MAY POTENTIALLY IMPACT THE OVERALL SITE CIRCULATION. YES, MA'AM. THERE WOULD BE TWO DRIVEWAYS ON THE 6 35 FRONTAGE ROAD AND THERE WOULD STILL BE TWO OTHER DRIVEWAY POINTS TO THE, THE PRIVATE ACCESS EASEMENT. YEAH, UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. YES, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE. UM, I, I, I DO SUPPORT THIS PARTICULAR, UM, UM, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION, UM, JUST BASED OFF OF, UM, WHAT WE'VE HEARD TODAY AND PLUS WORKING WITH YOU ALL WITH JOEY VS. UM, WE CAN'T GET A HEV, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE SOUTHERN SECTORS IN LOVE WITH JOEY VS. SO WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING HVS, PLEASE BUILD SOME MORE JOEY VS. TOO. . YES, MA'AM. AND THEY ARE PACKED AND JUST BASED OFF OF, THEY ARE PACKED OFTEN. THERE IS, BUT, BUT THE FLOW IS QUICK. UM, SO I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE. WE, WE WANT THE JOEY VS TOO. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES, I'LL BE QUICK. UM, I JUST WANTED TO THANK, UM, BOTH THE OPPOSITION FOR AND THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORTED THIS FOR THE DECORUM IN RESPECTING YOUR EMAILS, UM, STICKING TO THE DETAILS OF THE CASE. UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, I, I DON'T THINK A LOT CAN CHANGE IN 30 DAYS, SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT ON RECORD THAT THE EMAILS WE RECEIVED, UM, FROM BOTH SIDES WHO ARE RESPECTFUL AND I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTE, ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL. UH, THING THAT YOU POINTED OUT THERE, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, UH, IT, IT WAS PLEASING TO, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A PASSIONATE CASE. UH, I, I DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND MULTIPLE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND THERE WAS SOME PASSION IN THE ROOM, UH, BUT I'M VERY PLEASED AND HAPPY THAT THE DISCUSSION HERE HAS BEEN ABOUT KIND OF THE FACTS AND LESS ABOUT THE EMOTION OF IT. UH, THI THIS IS AN IMPORTANT INTERSECTION. UH, I DRIVE THAT INTERSECTION. I DROVE IT TODAY. I DRIVE IT EVERY DAY IN MY LIFE. UH, AND SO I'M GONNA RELY ON THE SCIENCE HERE. AND, UH, EVEN IF THE SCIENCE IS SLIGHTLY OFF AND I HAVE TO WAIT JUST A LITTLE BIT LONGER AT THAT INTERSECTION, THEN I'M, I'M GONNA BALANCE THAT OFF WITH THE BENEFIT. UM, YOU KNOW, I HAD NEVER BEEN IN AN HEB AND, UH, MY OLDEST SON IS STUDYING IN SAN ANTONIO. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, FIRST COUPLE OF TIMES I VISITED HIM, I WENT TO MY FIRST HEB, AND THEN I, I VERY QUICKLY LEARNED HOW THE HEBS ARE ATTACHED TO THE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY SERVE. SO I, I CAN SEE THE BALANCE HERE AND THEREFORE I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. AND, UH, I'LL CONGRATULATE, UH, COMMISSIONER SIMS FOR THE HARD WORK THAT YOU PUT INTO THIS CASE. YOU DIDN'T EVEN GET A HONEYMOON HERE, JUST JUMP RIGHT INTO THE FIRE. UH, BUT EXCELLENT WORK HERE AND I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION COMMISSIONER HOUSE. RIGHT? PLEASE. YEAH, VERY, VERY BRIEFLY. I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION AS WELL. APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER SIMS. UH, GREAT WORK ON THIS. UM, THERE NO DOUBT THIS IS A REGIONAL DESTINATION, BUT IT IS LOCATED ON A REGIONAL HIGHWAY, IN FACT, AN INTERSTATE HIGHWAY, WHICH I THINK IS, UH, IF, IF WE CAN'T PUT, UH, THE BEST GROCERY RETAILER IN THE STATE OF TEXAS ON AN INTERSTATE HIGHWAY IN DALLAS, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE CAN PUT IT. UM, I'M ACTUALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT BEING 10 ACRES VERSUS 20, UH, LESS, UH, URBAN HEAT ISLAND, LESS RUNOFF, UM, MORE EFFICIENT USE OF OUR LIMITED LAND IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S A PLUS FOR US. UM, HEB, UM, IS OBSESSED WITH TRAFFIC, WITH PARKING AND TRUCK DOCKS. UH, AS A COMMERCIAL ARCHITECT, I'VE WORKED ON, UH, A CENTRAL MARKET. UH, I GOT A PHD IN TRUCK DOCS WORKING ON THAT. UH, THEY, THEY, THEY'RE JUST ABSOLUTELY OBSESSED AND I, I HAVE EVERY CONFIDENCE THAT THEY, UH, WILL CONTINUE THAT OBSESSION TO MAKE THIS SITE WORK THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR, UH, THEMSELVES. UM, I'LL JUST CLOSE BY, UH, THE HOW, UM, IMPACTED I WAS BY ONE EMAIL WE [04:45:01] RECEIVED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION THAT TALKED ABOUT CENTRAL MARKET SERVICE TO THE PRESTON HOLLOW COMMUNITY WHEN THE TORNADO HIT THEM IN 2019. I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT, BUT, UH, THEIR, UM, JUST THEIR PRESENCE IN THE COMMUNITY PROVIDING VARIOUS RESOURCES AND PRODUCTS AND THINGS TO HELP THE, THE, THE, THE COMMUNITY, UM, RECOVER FROM THAT, WHICH, UH, WAS, WAS REALLY, UM, IMPRESSIVE. AND THEN, UM, NOT ONLY THAT, BUT TO, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, REAGAN'S REMARK ABOUT JOVI'S, UM, THE HEB CORPORATION HAS THIS DIVISION JOVI'S, THEY'VE OPENED TWO JOVI'S SOUTH OF INTERSTATE 30 IN THE LAST 15 MONTHS WHEN ONE OF OUR LOCAL GROCERY OPERATORS, UH, BACKED OUT OF A COMMITMENT SOUTH OF 30. I THINK THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES TO THEIR, UM, THEIR COMMITMENT TO, UH, WHEREVER THEIR, WHERE, WHEREVER THEY ARE. AND, UH, I, I'M CERTAIN THAT THAT COMMITMENT WILL CONTINUE AT THE CORNER OF HILLCREST AND 6 35. SO, UH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS? UH, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SIMS, SECOND BY VICE CHAIR RUBIN TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? UH, PARDON ME. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. UH, SUBJECT TO THE AMENDED DEED RESTRICTIONS AS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT AT THE HORSESHOE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. UH, COMMISSIONERS. LET'S TAKE JUST A 10 MINUTE BREAK. BE BACK AT, UH, THREE 40 COMMISSIONERS. IT IS, UH, 3 42. WE'RE GONNA GET BACK ON THE RECORD. WE'RE RECORDING. ARE WE RECORDING? WE ARE RECORDING. THANK YOU, JORGE. UH, [11. 25-2729A An application for TH-2(A) Townhouse District with consideration for MF-2(A) Multifamily District on property zoned R-10(A) Single Family District, on the southwest corner of Forest Land and Stults Road.] WE'RE, UH, TO CASE NUMBER 11. GOOD AFTERNOON. ITEM 11 IS CASE Z 2 45 DASH 1 38 SLASH Z 2 5 16. AN APPLICATION FOR TH TWO, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT WITH CONSIDERATION FOR MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF FOREST LANE AND STOLTZ ROAD. STAFF'S. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF AN MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT IN LIEU OF A TH TWO, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT. THANK YOU, SIR. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? GOOD AFTERNOON. IS THAT BETTER? SORRY. AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR SERVICE NAME'S VICTOR TOLEDO. GREENLEAF VENTURES ADDRESS IN DALLAS IS 64 35 TULIP DALLAS, 7 5 2 3 OH. UM, HERE REPRESENTING THE, UH, DALLAS COUNTY. UM, DALLAS COUNTY PURCHASED SEVEN ACRES ABOUT, UM, ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO. MARTIN, CAN Y'ALL PUT THAT UP ON THE SCREEN? UM, AND AS MENTIONED, IF YOU WANNA PAUSE YOUR COMMENTS AND WAIT FOR THAT TO GET UP ON THE SCREEN, WE CAN DO THAT. THAT WAY YOUR TIME WILL RUN. IT'S OKAY. I'M, I'M, I'M GONNA BE QUICK. OKAY. I'LL SAY MY, I'LL SAY MY TIME FOR REBUTTAL, IF THERE IS ANY. UM, SO IT'S A SEVEN ACRE PROPERTY. IT'S AN EMBL OF TWO PROPERTIES. IT WAS A BURNT OUT CHURCH, IT OVERLOOKS COTTONWOOD CREEK. YOU'RE GONNA HEAR A LOT ABOUT HOMELESS PROBLEMS, ET CETERA. AS WE WENT THROUGH THE COMMUNITY MEETING PROCESS, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT WAS TERRIFIC, MET FOUR OR FIVE TIMES, MET ON WEEKENDS, MET AT NIGHT, MET ON SATURDAYS. SO I WANT TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT MARTIN WAS TREMENDOUS GETTING US TO, TO WHERE WE ARE OTHER THAN NOT GETTING MY RENDERINGS UP. UM, ANYWAY, IT'S A SEVEN ACRE PROPERTY. THE COUNTY ENGAGED, UH, MY COMPANY BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THE PROPERTY. UH, THE COMMUNITY DIDN'T WANT A HEALTHCARE CENTER. THEY DIDN'T WANT DIFFERENT USES THAT WERE PRO PROPOSED. AND SO COMMISSIONER SILVERMAN SAID, LET'S, LET'S DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THEY HAD A, AN ARPA GRANT FROM THE GOVERNMENT, UM, TO PROVIDE SOME OF THE COSTS FOR THE ACQUISITION. AND WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT IN INFRASTRUCTURE TO DEVELOP, UH, 28 TO 30 32 HOUSES ON THIS PROPERTY. OF THE, OF THE SEVEN ACRES, ONLY FOUR IS USABLE. THREES IN THE FLOOD PLAIN THERE, YOU CAN KINDA SEE A RENDERING, UH, OF HOW THE PROPERTY SITS OUT. SO THE PROPOSAL, WE APPRECIATE CITY STAFF AND WE UNDERSTAND WHY THEY, UM, ARE RECOMMENDING MULTI-FAMILY. THAT'S NOT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO BE, QUITE, QUITE FRANK. AND, UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A TA TH TWO ZONING. SO WE CAN BUILD SMALLER INFILL LOTS. AND WE'VE ALSO COMMITTED TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE GONNA DEED RESTRICT THE PROPERTY. SO THERE'S NO ATTACHED HOUSING AND VERY ADAMANT ABOUT THAT. SO AS MUCH AS WE APPRECIATE THE, THE CALL FOR DENSITY AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, MORE HOUSING NEAR TRANSIT STATIONS, THERE'S ALSO A NEIGHBORHOOD SELF-DETERMINATION. AND THAT'S REALLY KINDA WHERE WE ENDED UP, YOU KNOW, ON THIS CASE, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS. WE HAD ONE OPPOSITION. I DON'T THINK HE'S HERE, SO I DON'T WANT TO MINIMIZE THAT. THERE'S NO OPPOSITION, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S JUST ONE OR TWO HOMEOWNERS [04:50:01] THAT, THAT BACK UP TO THE PROPERTY. OTHERWISE, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE ENJOYED A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY COMMISSIONER, UH, HOUSE RIGHT'S BEEN THERE SEVERAL TIMES. UM, COUNCILMAN STEWART'S BEEN TO A COUPLE OF MEETINGS. SO WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS. WE'VE HAD MORE CONVERSATIONS, ACTUALLY, QUITE FRANKLY, ABOUT HOMELESS PROBLEMS THAN WE HAVE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE NEED FOR HOUSING IN THIS AREA HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE FINANCING, THE DIFFERENT THINGS OF THE PRICE POINTS WE, WE HOPE TO HIT, WE CAN ADDRESS IT AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS CASE? ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION? OKAY. SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONER HOUSER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. IN THE MATTER OF, UH, Z 2 45 DASH 1 38, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE A TH TWO, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT WITH, UM, DEED RESTRICTION AS VOLUNTEERED AT THE PODIUM. UH, UH, PARDON ME. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, UH, I GOT MY NUMBERS MIXED UP. WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE SOME FOLKS ONLINE, SO MY APOLOGIES. IF WE COULD JUST TAKE A QUICK STEP BACK. UH, JORGE, DO WE HAVE OUR FOLKS IN CASE 11? THANK YOU. YES. OKAY. MY APOLOGIES TO OUR FOLKS ONLINE. UH, LET'S GO TO, UM, MILES, UH, SCHULTZ NOT ONLINE. HOW ABOUT, UH, IN OPPOSITION? MR. HALL? YES, MR. HALL. GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR. WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN. OKAY, MR. HALL, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENT, SIR. OKAY, WE'LL, WE'LL COME BACK TO MR. HALL. HOW ABOUT, UH, BUIT? HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. GOOD AFTERNOON. HI. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS, UM, AND CPC STAFF FOR, FOR SETTING THIS ALL UP. UH, SORRY I COULDN'T STAY THERE. UM, AND, AND BE THERE IN PERSON RIGHT NOW. UM, BUT APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ONLINE. UH, SO FIRST I WANT TO ADDRESS THE MULTI-FAMILY, UH, PRO I GUESS SUGGESTION BY, BY STAFF. UM, I GUESS I THINK PART OF THAT IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT IS ADJACENT TO FOREST LANE, BUT AS YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS THERE WHO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS NOW, UH, IN THE PARKLAND CLINIC PLACE, THAT THERE IS NO ACCESS TO THIS PROPERTY FROM FOREST LANE. UM, AND THAT IS WHY THE CLINIC WASN'T PUT IN. THERE'S IS, WITHOUT THAT ACCESS ON SALT ROAD, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH A ONE LANE ROAD, IT NEEDS TO BE ZONED FOR SOMETHING, UH, A LESS HEAVY USE. UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE APPRECIATE, UH, THE COUNTY IN WORKING WITH US AND INTO PUTTING SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE DENSE IN THERE, BUT NOT TOO DENSE THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR ACCESS OFF OF A ONE WAY, A ONE LANE STREET. UM, AND SO I PLEASE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, IN CONSIDERING STAFF'S, UH, SUGGESTION. AS FAR AS THE COUNTY, UM, PLAN RIGHT NOW, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY SINCE THEY EVEN PURCHASED THE PROPERTY WHEN THEY BROUGHT IT UP AND IT WENT TO, UH, THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT. WE TALKED ABOUT ZONING. UH, THE COUNTY SAID THEY DIDN'T NEED ZONING TECH ON MENTIONING IT, BUT LIKE OUR WHOLE THING WAS PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, ON THE PROPERTY. UH, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON AND IT'S OUR FEELING THAT IT NEEDS, THE SITE PLAN NEEDS TO BE DESIGNED IN A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, AMELIORATES THE HARM CAUSED BY THE POTENTIAL PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES THERE. AND I, I'M JUST GONNA TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE PAST MONTH, UH, THIS PAST SATURDAY. I LIVE ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY. UM, MY NIECE, LIVING YEAR OLD NIECE WAS OUT IN MY BACKYARD AND SHE SAW SOMEONE TRYING TO CROSS MY PROPERTY, UH, FROM THE EXISTING PROPERTY, UH, TO THE DART STATION. UH, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, THERE WAS A WOMAN AT THE END OF OUR STREET AROUND EIGHT O'CLOCK, UH, FREAKING OUT YELLING AT HERSELF. UM, YOU KNOW, I HAD A NEIGHBOR WHO WAS WALKING THEIR DOG, OR [04:55:01] ANOTHER NEIGHBOR'S DOG, AND SHE WAS TEXTING ME. IT'S LIKE, WHAT DO I DO? WHAT DO I DO? I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T REALLY DO MUCH. DVD'S GONNA COME IN TO BE TOO LATE, AND WE JUST GOTTA WAIT IT OUT. UM, SOME OF THESE ISSUES CAN BE RESOLVED BY SITE DESIGN. AND YOU KNOW, ONE THING WE HAD TALKED ABOUT SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING, AND I'M GONNA TRY TO SHARE MY SCREEN, UH, RIGHT NOW WAS HAVING A STREAK HERE. FIRST, I, WE THINK IT GOES WELL WITH FOUR DALLAS 2.0, AND THAT YOU'RE HAVING A NICE TRANSITION FROM A HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO A LOWER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. UM, AND T WILL SPEAK ABOUT THAT, UH, OR MR. HALL WILL SPEAK ABOUT SOME MORE. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, DID WE GET MR. HALL? HOW ABOUT MR. SCHULZE? MR. HALL IS ONLINE? YEP. OKAY, MR. HALL, WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENT, SIR. HI, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JAMES HALL. UH, MY WIFE AND I LIVE AT 83 25 FLOYD LAKE DRIVE, AND AS WE SAID, OUR HOME DOES BUTT UP AGAINST THE, THE PROPERTY. THERE'S ABOUT FIVE OR SIX HOUSES THAT DO THAT. UH, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, AS HE SAID, 38 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH A, UH, ROAD, A DRIVEWAY IN BETWEEN THE, THE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS. NONE OF THE HOUSES BUILT WITHIN THE FLOOD PLAIN. A PROPOSED WALKING CREEK ALONG THE PATHWAY. I THINK I WANNA START BY SAYING THAT I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE IDEA OF HAVING HOUSING IN THIS SPACE. IT PROVIDES LOADS OF NEW, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, FITS NICELY INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT CREATING W UH, UH, AS W SAID, HIDDEN POCKETS OF UNUSABLE SPACE, UH, MINIMIZES THE ECOLOGICAL IMPACT BY NOT BUILDING SO CLOSE TO THE CREEK. UH, PROVIDES ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, EYES AND FOOT TRAFFIC ALONG THAT BACK PROPERTY WHERE W WAS TALKING ABOUT, UH, WHICH MAKES ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS MORE SECURE. UH, THE NEW PROPOSAL THAT WE RECEIVED THIS SPRING SHOWS ONLY 30 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. UM, DEVELOPMENT GOES ALMOST ALL THE WAY TO THE CREEK. THE PROPOSED HOSE HOMES ARE NOW TWO STORY, UH, ALL PROPERTIES ALONG THE SOUTHERN EDGE BACK RIGHT UP TO EXISTING HOMES. UH, SO IN ORDER TO ACCESS THOSE UTILITY POLES, UH, UTILITY POLES, THE SURVEY SHOWS AN EASEMENT, WHICH ISN'T IN THESE PICTURES. UH, CREATING A LONG STRETCH OF UNUSABLE SPACE THAT GIVES OUT OF SIGHT, BACKYARD ACCESS TO 14 HOMES IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DOES HAVE AN EXISTING PROBLEM WITH SOME OF THAT CRIME. UH, IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TWO PLANS OVER TOP OF EACH OTHER, EIGHT OR NINE HOMES ARE BUILT WITHIN THAT FLOODPLAIN. UH, AND AS I SAID, THERE'S FEWER HOMES IN GENERAL. I MENTIONED THE FLOODPLAIN FEBRUARY, 2023 WHEN WE FIRST RECEIVED THE PROPOSAL. UH, ALL OF THIS VEGETATION IS ABOUT HALF A MILE DOWN THE CREEK. ALL THIS VEGETATION PACKED DOWN ALL THIS MUD ON THE PATHWAY. THIS IS OCTOBER OF THAT YEAR. SO WATER DOES GET HERE, RAIN DOES GET HERE. OBVIOUSLY IT'S TEXAS, IT HAPPENS. UH, BUT IN CONCLUSION, I'M NOT AGAINST THE IDEA OF REZONING THIS SPACE FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, BUT I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSED LAYOUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I THINK THAT THOSE NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND NEED TO BE COMMUNICATED TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THE NEIGHBORS APPROPRIATELY, SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING IN THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ANYBODY ELSE? WE MISS WATER CAN OKAY. UH, PER OUR RULES, MR. TOLEDO, YOU GET A REBUTTAL TIME, SIR? YES. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. UM, NOT REALLY A REBUTTAL. I I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THEIR COMMENTS. WE MET SATURDAY WITH BOTH MR. HALL, COMMISSIONER TIPTON AND, AND WU. I'VE MET WITH WU FOUR OR FIVE TIMES. HE'S BEEN VERY COURTEOUS. HE'S BEEN VERY PROFESSIONAL EVERY TIME. SO I DON'T WANT ANY, I DON'T WANT TO DESP DISPARAGE ANYBODY AND SAY THIS IS A REBUTTAL. YOU TALKED ABOUT, THEY TALKED ABOUT HOMELESSNESS THERE. AND ONE POINT I BROUGHT UP, AND JAMES REALLY DID A GOOD JOB OF, OF ACCENTUATING IT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 31 NEW SETS OF EYEBALLS. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 31 RING CAMERAS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 31 FENCES. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 31 FAMILIES THAT CARE ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THEIR PROPERTY AND THEIR HOMES AND THEIR, AND THEIR, THEIR WELLBEING. YOU DON'T HAVE THAT TODAY. SO THEY'RE, WE, WHEN WE'VE COME INTO INFILL, TOUGH INFILL NEIGHBORHOODS, WEST DALLAS, PLEASANT GROVE, BUCKNER TERRACE, UM, OUR HOMEOWNERS, THEY TEND TO STABILIZE THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND I, I CAN GIVE YOU ANECDOTAL, YOU KNOW, AREAS RIGHT ACROSS FROM SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL, GREENLEE VILLAGE, A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES. I THINK THE SAME THING WILL HAPPEN HERE. THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE VERY PROUD OF THEIR HOMES, AND I THINK THEY'LL BE, THEY'LL BE GREAT NEIGHBORS TO, UH, TO WOO JAMES AND, AND EVERYBODY ELSE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? UH, YES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR IN, UH, MATTER OF Z 2 45 DASH 1 38. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE A TOWNHOUSE TO A DISTRICT WITH THE DEED RESTRICTION AS VOLUNTEERED AT THE PODIUM. AND I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT'S GONNA NEED TO COME BACK UP AND READ THAT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSE FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR, UH, SECOND, [05:00:02] UH, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, AND DISCUSSION. MR. TOLEDO, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA READ SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS AND PARDON ME? YEAH, WE JUST NEED TO HEAR YOU VOLUNTEER THAT THE, UH, RESIDENCES WILL, UH, BE DETACHED. YEAH. ALL, UH, THE COUNTY IS WILLING TO IMPOSE A DEED RESTRICTION THAT ALL THE RESIDENCES WILL BE DETACHED IN THE PROPERTY. SORRY, I'M NOT READING ANYTHING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. THE OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT, UH, LET GO TO NUMBER [12. 25-2730A An application for the termination of deed restrictions DR Z834-293, with consideration of an NS(A) Neighborhood Service District on property zoned CR Community Retail District with deed restrictions DR Z834-293, on the northwest corner of N. Masters Drive and Bruton Road.] 12. ITEM 12 IS Z 2 4 5 216. THAT'S Z 2 5 0 0 9 9. UM, THAT IS AN APPLICATION FOR THE TERMINATION OF D RESTRICTIONS, DRZ 8 3 4 2 9 3 WITH CONSIDERATION OF AN NSA NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH RESTRICTIONS DR. Z 8 3 2 9 3 ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF NORTH MASTERS DRIVE IN BRUTON ROAD. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF ONE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT AND APPROVAL TWO OF TERMINATION OF DEED RESTRICTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, IS THE APPLICANT HERE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE HEARD? GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR. COMMISSIONER. HI COMMISSIONS. HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING TODAY? UM, THIS IS OUR SECOND TIME UP HERE. UM, I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER REAGAN, UH, ON THIS PROPERTY. SO WE'D LIKE TO GET THE DEED RESTRICTED, UH, LIFTED. AND WHAT WE HAD WERE WORKING ON IS INITIALLY WAS A GAS STATION. AND AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS ANY OPPOSITION, UH, BECAUSE WE HAD THE 60 DAY SIGNS THAT WERE UP THERE. WE, THEY HADN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING. AND THEN WHEN WE MET TWO MONTHS AGO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME FOLKS, I THINK THEY'RE UP THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD COME DOWN AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING OVER THERE. SO WE'VE KINDA LIKE REACHED OUT AND SAID, OKAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT EXACTLY WOULD YOU LIKE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DEVELOPERS, WE WANNA BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. AND KEN IS HERE WITH ME. HE'S ONE OF THE PARTNERS ON THE PROPERTY. I KNOW WE CAN'T HAVE A GAS STATION AND WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. UM, OUR OBJECTIVE WAS BASICALLY THAT IF WE BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMMUNITY FRIENDLY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH A FAST FOOD, UH, NATIONAL CHAIN OR LIKE A REGIONAL CHAIN, LIKE A CHURCH'S CHICKEN OR A TACO CASA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WE CAN PUT IN LIKE WITH A DRIVE THROUGH OR SOMETHING. AND WE'RE ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, ON OUR, ON US, WE ARE ALSO GONNA BE PUTTING IN SECURITY. 'CAUSE ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT THEY WERE, UH, THEIR ISSUES WAS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF CRIME IN THAT AREA. UM, AND THEY WERE A LITTLE BIT MORE AFRAID OF THAT CRIME. SO WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO DO IS TAKE THE SPACE, YOU KNOW, REMODIFY IT, LIGHT IT UP, PUT PROFESSIONAL SECURITY GUARDS IN THERE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S OFF, UH, DUTY, DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS OR LIKE WHOEVER THAT WANTS TO COME IN, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO HAVE THEM SO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FEELS SECURE AND WE WOULD HAVE THAT LOCATION MONITORED. AND WE'RE LOOKING TO SPEND UPWARDS OF A MILLION DOLLARS OF REDEVELOPING THAT CORNER OVER THERE, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE OPEN TO THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, GIVE US SOME SUGGESTIONS. I UNDERSTAND THAT A GAS STATION IS NOT GOOD. OKAY. OKAY. WE'RE FINE WITH THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED. BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE WILLING TO PUT SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S THERE. AND IN THIS CASE, MORE OF LIKE A COMMUNITY THING, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, UM, A CONVENIENCE STORE, A SERVICE THING, YOU KNOW, A, UM, LIKE A REGIONAL CHAIN. AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, PART OF COMMISSIONER REAGAN WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SHE WANTS TO HEAR FROM THE DEVELOPER. SO KEN IS ONE OF THE OWNERS, UH, HE'S ONE OF THE PARTNERS IN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY THAT WANTS TO DO THAT. SO HE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR GIVE ANY LIGHT TO IT, YOU KNOW, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. YES, SIR. OUR REQUEST IS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS THE COMMERCIAL ZONE ALREADY IS INTERSECTION AND CITY, ALWAYS LIVE SO MANY PLACES, KIND OF THE, LIKE SOMETHING FOR RETAIL. IT'S HELPED WITH THE COMMUNITY TO NOT TO GO DRIVE FAR AWAY TO GET THE GROCERY OR FOOD OR ANYTHING LIKE WHATEVER THE SERVICE, THE RETAIL PEOPLE COMES [05:05:01] UP TO DO THE BUSINESS. THAT'S THE PURPOSE. WE BOUGHT. THE TWO LOT IS A LOT. ONLY ONE LOT IS A TWO LOT COMBINATION BECOME ALMOST LIKE 1.25 ACRE. SO IT'S VALUES ARE ALMOST LIKE MILLION DOLLAR. AND OUR PLAN IS TO SPEND ANOTHER $4 MILLION TO MAKE THE DECENT FACILITY OVER THERE FOR THE RETAIL BUSINESS. EVERYONE KNOW THAT IF THERE IS A GAS OVER THERE, SO WE ARE GOING TO PLANT PLACE ABOUT 12 PUMP, LIKE HUGE PUMPS, SO MANY GAS PUMP. SO AT LEAST LIKE TRAFFIC CAN GET EVERYTHING WITH THE GAS, THE BUSINESS COMES INSIDE TO GET THE MERCHANDISE PURCHASE. AND ALSO WE ARE GOING TO PLACE THE GOOD FRANCHISE FOOD AND WE WILL HAVE LIKE, AT LEAST EIGHT TO 10 EMPLOYEES INSIDE THE FACILITY. THREE, FOUR FOR THE RETAIL BUSINESS AND AT LEAST FIVE, SEVEN FOR THE FRANCHISE BUSINESS. PLUS WE WILL HAVE THE MAIN SECURITY GUARD OUTSIDE ON THE PROPERTY. SO THAT'S WHAT ONLY WE CAN PROMISE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AT LEAST IF THEY HAVE ANY OBLIGATION ABOUT FOR THE SAFETY, AND WE CONSIDER WE ALMOST INVESTING GOOD MONEY FOR THE GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY WILL HAVE A VERY GOOD, EASY ACCESS TO GET THE GOOD FOOD. ALSO FRESH FOOD. THAT CONCLUDE YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS? YEAH. DID, DID YOU INCLUDE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, SIR? MINE IS, MY NAME IS NAZI MUSA AND MY ADDRESS IS 3 5 5 WINDSOR STREET IN WAXAHATCHEE, TEXAS. 7 5 1 6 5. YOUR ADDRESS. MY NAME IS KEN DE, I'M ONE OF THE PARTNER WITH THIS PROPERTY, DEVELOP THIS, AND I LIVING AT 3 6 10 CHARLESTON DRIVE, RICHARDSON, TEXAS. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS CASE? I, I, AGAIN, I DON'T PERSON TWO, DO WE? IT'S THE TWO OF US. TWO. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION? PLEASE COME DOWN. CAN SIT. HELLO, CARLOS DIAZ. GOOD AFTERNOON. RESIDE AT 2 1 2 5 NORTH MASTERS DRIVE, WHERE THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROPERTY THEY OWN. GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL MEMBERS. I STAND BEFORE YOU ONCE AGAIN TO RE RETALIATE OUR STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED REZONING OF THE LOT OF BRUTON ROAD AND MASTERS DRIVE. AS WE HAVE EXPRESSED IN PRIOR MEETINGS, PLEASANT GROVE IS ALREADY OVERLY SATURATED WITH GAS STATIONS, CONVENIENCE STORES, AND GROCERY STORES. A FACT ACKNOWLEDGED BY OUR OWN REPRESENTATIVE, ADDING YET ANOTHER ONE WOULD NOT SERVE THE NEEDS OF THIS COMMUNITY. OUR CONCERNS ARE THREEFOLD, HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL RISK. THE CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF A GAS STATION OR CONVENIENCE STORE, SERIOUS HEALTH HAZARDS TO NEARBY FAMILIES, LOSS OF PRIVACY, AND A QUALITY OF LIFE HOMES. BORDERING THIS LOT WILL LOSE PEACE AND SECURITY. PUBLIC SAFETY. MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE PRESENCE OF ANOTHER GAS STATION WILL INVITE MORE CRIME INTO AN ALREADY, UH, VIOLENT NEIGHBORHOOD. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTED THIS REZONING DO NOT LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY, NOR DO THEY SHARE OUR DAILY EXPERIENCES. AND THE PRIORITY IS PROFIT. OURS IS SAFETY AND A QUALITY OF LIFE. PROFIT SHOULD NEVER COME BEFORE THE WELLBEING OF A COMMUNITY. WE, THE RESIDENTS HAVE SHOWN UP TIME AND AGAIN, TAKING TIME AWAY FROM WORK AND FAMILY BECAUSE THIS ISSUE DEEPLY AFFECTS US. IN CONTRAST, THE APPLICANT HAS NOT MEANINGFULLY ENGAGED WITH US. THEY WERE GIVEN AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY, BUT THEY CHOSE NOT TO. AT OUR LAST MEETING, THEY DIDN'T EVEN SHOW UP. WE DID. WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER ALL WE HAVE STATED, NOT JUST TODAY, BUT THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS. LOOK AT THE REALITY OF PLEASANT GROVE. TOO MANY GAS STATIONS, TOO MANY CONVENIENCE STORES, AND FAR TOO MUCH CRIME. ANOTHER GAS STATION WILL NOT BRING IMPROVEMENT. IT WILL BRING HARM ON BEHALF OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I URGE YOU TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY, OUR SAFETY, AND OUR FUTURE BY DENYING THE REZONING REQUEST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. GOOD AFTERNOON. HELLO. OKAY, SORRY. MY NAME IS KIMBERLY CRUZ. I ALSO RESIDE AT 2125 NORTH MASTERS DRIVE. UM, I WANNA CLARIFY THAT THE APPLICANTS DID NOT REACH OUT TO US. THEY STATED THAT THEY HAD COMMUNICATION WITH US. THAT IS NOT TRUE. THEY STARTED WITH COMMUNICATION AND THAT ENDED WITHIN A WEEK OR TWO. AND THEN AFTER THAT, THEY DID NOT REACH OUT. UM, THE, OUR REPRESENTATIVE [05:10:01] GAVE THEM AMPLE OPPORTUNITY. WE'VE BEEN HERE THREE TIMES AS THEY STATED. THEY'VE ONLY BEEN HERE TWO EVEN AFTER THAT. THEY STILL HAVE NOT REACHED OUT. UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WANT TO JUST BUILD SOMETHING ON THAT PROPERTY AT THIS POINT, THEY'RE GIVING UP THE GAS STATION. IT DOESN'T COME DOWN TO JUST BEING THE GAS STATION OR JUST ANOTHER RETAIL. PLEASANT GROVE IS OVERSATURATED WITH, UM, GAS STATION, CONVENIENCE STORES, AND EVEN RESTAURANTS. AND HONESTLY, THAT CORNER IS, IT'S, IT BORDERS HOMES. PEOPLE IN THE, ON THE FRONT OF THAT PROPERTY, THE KIDS PLAY OUTSIDE IN THEIR FRONT YARDS. I WITNESS IT EVERY DAY. I SPEAK TO THEM, I SEE THEM. THERE'S OUR BACK NEIGHBORS AS WELL. THERE'S US. WE HAVE MY, MY NEPHEWS, MY NIECE, WE PLAY IN OUR YARD. BUILDING SOMETHING NEXT TO THEM WILL AFFECT THE FAMILIES THAT ALREADY LIVE IN THAT SIDE. THAT SIDE IS COMPLETELY RESIDENTIAL. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL AT SOME POINT, BUT IT, IT WOULD BE A STANDALONE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, WHATEVER THEY DECIDE TO BUILD. SO WE JUST ASK FOR YOU GUYS TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. THE AREA IS OVERPOPULATED. THERE'S A LOT OF CRIME IN BUILDING ANYTHING THAT WILL INVITE CRIME INTO OUR HOMES, ONTO EVERYBODY'S HOMES. THAT IS ALREADY ON THAT SIDE. SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING I JUST WANTED TO SAY. THEY DID, THEY SAID THEY REACHED OUT. THEY DID NOT. THE REPRESENTATIVE GAVE THEM AMPLE TIME. THEY TOLD US THEY WERE GONNA SET UP A MEETING BETWEEN THE REPRESENTATIVE AND US. THEY ALSO DIDN'T DO THAT. AND NOW THEY'RE JUST HERE SAYING THAT THEY DID, WHICH WAS A COMPLETE LIE. SO JUST TAKING LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE LAST THREE TIMES WE'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE JUST REITERATED IT. PLEASE TAKE EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION. THESE ARE OUR FAMILIES. WE LIVE THERE. AS THEY STATED. THEY LIVE IN WET TEEDEE. THEY LIVE IN RICHARDSON. WE LIVE THERE. THIS IS OUR HOMES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, UH, ONE OF YOU TWO. WE'LL GET A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL FOR PER OUR RULES. NO, AND I APPRECIATE THEIR TIME AND I APPRECIATE, UH, UNFORTUNATELY AT THE LAST MEETING, WE HAD A DEATH IN THE FAMILY, SO WE COULDN'T BE HERE FOR THAT. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT, WE WERE NOT AROUND. UM, BUT WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO COMMISSIONER REAGAN AND WHEN I INITIALLY TALKED TO THEM ON THE INITIAL, UH, MEETING THAT WE HAD, YOU KNOW, AND I ASKED HIM, I SAID, OKAY, GUYS, LIKE, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE? AND THEY HAD STATED THAT THEY REALLY DON'T WANT ANYTHING OVER THERE. I SAID, OKAY, IF YOU DON'T DO A GAS STATION, THAT'S FINE. AND THEN AT THAT POINT, AND IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING, SO WHERE DO YOU GO FROM THERE? YOU KNOW? AND SO THAT'S WHY LIKE WE TALKED AND THEIR BIGGEST THING WAS THEY DON'T WANT A GAS STATION. OKAY, FINE, NOT A PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE'RE WILLING TO NOT DO A GAS STATION OVER THERE. AND THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE IF THERE IS A, IF THERE'S SO MANY THERE. SO WE'RE WILLING TO DO SOMETHING ON THAT AREA, WHETHER IT'S BE A CONVENIENCE STORE OR, OR A, UM, AN NATIONAL REGIONAL CHAIN, AS I SAID BEFORE, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE WILLING TO ADD SECURITY BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR, OR THEIR CONCERN IS THERE'S A LOT OF CRIME IN THAT AREA. OKAY, I GET IT. THERE'S CRIME EVERYWHERE, YOU KNOW, AND IN, IN SOME AREAS THERE MIGHT BE MORE, YOU KNOW. AND SO WE'RE WILLING TO TAKE THAT STEP AND SAY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE ADDED SECURITY, WE'LL HAVE AMPLE LIGHTING. WE'RE EVEN, YOU KNOW, WILLING TO DO A, UM, LIKE NOT ANY OVERNIGHT HOURS, BUT DO SOMETHING LIKE SIX IN THE MORNING, SEVEN IN THE MORNING TILL LIKE NINE, 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT ON THE WEEKENDS AT THE LATEST. EVEN IF, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF OUR PLACES ARE SHUT DOWN LIKE BY 10 O'CLOCK, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THE NIGHT CROWD. WE DON'T WANT THAT. YOU KNOW, THAT WHATEVER COMES AROUND IN THAT TIME. SO WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A GAS STATION DOWN ON 12TH STREET, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVE SECURITY THERE, AND THEY TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING. WE HAVE OTHER PLACES IN OAK CLIFF AND YOU KNOW, AND WE, AND WE PROVIDE SECURE, WE WE PROVIDE LIGHTING, WE PROVIDE ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED AND SAID, OKAY, THERE'RE OPPOSING GAS STATIONS BECAUSE OF THIS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF TIME. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU PEOPLE. SO THANK YOU. YEAH. BUT THANK YOU. ONE MORE THING I HAVE TO JUST ASK EVERYBODY. PARDON ME, SIR, YOUR TIME'S UP? OKAY. NO, THANK YOU, SIR. TIME YOUR TIME'S UP. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. YEAH. UM, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, I DO HAVE A, A MOTION, UM, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 45 DASH 216. UM, I'LL, UM, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, OF APPROVAL FOR THE ITEM ONE, WHICH IS NSA NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT AND DO NOT FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION [05:15:01] OF TERMINATION OF DEED RESTRICTIONS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR YOUR MOTION. AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECONDS, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, THE, UM, TERMINATING THE, THE CURRENT DEED RESTRICTIONS RESTRICT THE THREE, THE THREE USES THAT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD. AND THERE ARE THREE USES THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE SAYING THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE, WHICH IS DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS, CONVENIENCE STORES, AND GAS STATIONS. SO COULD I ASK A QUESTION AS TO, TO CLARIFY THE INTENTION OF THE MOTION, OR IS THE INTENTION TO ALLOW THOSE USES THAT ARE NOT DESIRED THERE DEED RESTRICTIONS? THE TERMIN NOT TERMINATING THE DEED RESTRICTIONS WILL, WILL NOT ALLOW THEM TO DO SO. OKAY. YOU'RE NOT TERMINATING THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. SO WE'RE NOT TERMINATING THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, BUT WE ARE APPROVED, THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE, IN IT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT AND I AND I HAVE COME IN, I CAN'T ON REASON WHY ON THAT. OKAY, SO THERE WOULD, ALRIGHT, WITH THAT MOTION THEN THOSE USES WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THE T AM I, AM I CORRECT, UH, MR. PEPE UPON THE DE TERM, IF WE DO NOT TERMINATE THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, THE USES THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING STILL WILL NOT BE ALLOWED. SO YEAH, NO THANKS FOR THAT. GENERALLY THE DE DISTRICT SHOW R RIGHT NOW, THE DE RESTRICTIONS GENERALLY TAKE IT DOWN PRETTY CLOSE TO AN NSA IN TERMS OF USES RIGHT NOW, UM, BY RESTRICTING OUT MULTIPLE FAMILY USES SERVICE STATIONS AND DRIVE IN RESTAURANTS AND ALSO CONVENIENCE STORES. SO IF YOU LEAVE, IF YOU DOWN ZONE IT TO NSA, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DO THE USES OF NS, UM, THAT ARE NOT CONVENIENCE STORE. UM, IF YOU'RE JUST AN NS AND THEY WERE TO TERM, IF THE DEALER RESTRICTIONS WERE TERMINATED, THEY WOULD NEED AN SUP FOR A GAS STATION SERVICE STATION. SORRY, SAME THING. UM, DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT, IT WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED. AND CONVENIENCE STORE IS NOT A USE IN OUR CODE CONVENIENCE STORE IS, IS IS A MADE UP TERM FOR THIS YES, UH, THING. UM, BUT IT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED UNDER THE NSA. UM, FOOD AND BEVERAGE ARE, ARE UNDER 3,500 FOOD AND BEVERAGE OR GENERAL MERCHANDISE UNDER 3,500 SQUARE FEET WOULD BUILD OUT. SO I DO HAVE CONCERN. UM, SO GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE, NOW WE CALL IT A GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE, 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS. THAT'S ANYTHING THAT IS SMALLER THAN 35 SQUARE, 500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS. UM, I'M JUST, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED 'CAUSE BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION IN THE RESTRICTIONS THAT SAYS CONVENIENCE STORE MEANS STORES SELLING LESS THAN A FULL LINE OF GROCERY ITEMS PROVIDED. HOWEVER, THIS DEFINITION DOES NOT INCLUDE FOOD STORES PRIMARILY SELLING HEALTH FOODS AND OR NATURAL FOODS OR A STORE SELLING PRIMARILY MEAT, FISH AND POULTRY PRODUCTS. , UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS OVER HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE IMPLEMENTED AND ALSO THE, THE PLANNING IMPLICATIONS OF IT BECAUSE IT JUST SAYS STORES SELLING LESS. SO IT MEANS STORES THAT DON'T SELL AGRO A LINE OF GROCERY PRODUCTS. SO TO ME THAT INCLUDES STORES THAT SELL, UH, BOOKS, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, OR, OR FLOWERS. SO , UM, NOT TO SAY THAT IT, IT, IT DOESN'T EXCLUDE, UH, SOME THINGS YOU MAY NOT LIKE, BUT, UM, IT IS A LITTLE ODD TO ME AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT WHAT WE DO NOWADAYS WHEN WE DO ZONING, UH, THOSE KINDS OF, UH, DE RESTRICTIONS, BUT I'M JUST JUST POINTING IT OUT. SO, SO AT SOME POINT WAS CONVENIENCE STORE LISTED IN OUR INSTEAD OF GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE. AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT WAS ALLOWED TO BE WRITTEN IN, UH, DEED RESTRICTION. I, I, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, CONVENIENCE STORE HAS NEVER BEEN A PART OF CODE. UH, THEY JUST MADE UP THE TERM CONVENIENCE STORE FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS D RESTRICTION AND, UH, THEN DEFINED IT AND THEN YOU HAVE TO, TO PROHIBIT SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EXIST IN THE CODE, YOU HAVE TO DEFINE IT AND THEN YOU PROHIBIT IT. AND SO THEY DID BOTH OF THOSE WITH THESE. DR. OKAY. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION PLEASE? OH, SO I DID, I DID HAVE COMMENTS, PLEASE. SO PART OF THE REASONS WITH THAT DECISION, UH, UM, IS BECAUSE THEY ARE 100% RIGHT WHEN MASTER SPLITS ON THAT SIDE. THAT SIDE IS, IS RESIDENTIAL. THE OPPOSITE SIDE IS, UM, COMMERCIAL AND IT IS A VERY HIGH CRIME AREA. MURDER HAPPENED NOT TOO LONG AGO, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. AND IT WASN'T THE FIRST MURDER. THERE HAS BEEN OVER THE YEARS, THE SEVEN 11 AND THE SHOPPING CENTER THERE HAS HAD CRIME REPEATEDLY. SECURITY FOR A MINUTE, [05:20:01] NOT SECURITY, BUT THERE HAS BEEN MULTIPLE MURDERS AND ROBBERIES AT THAT INTERSECTION. AND IT'S FURTHER THAN THE, THE CRIME THAT HAPPENS AT THE NEXT MAJOR RED LIGHT THAT HAS ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF MURDERS. AND, BUT, UH, I CAN SEE THE UNCONCERNED AS FAR AS IT RELATES TO A GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE BEING PLACED THERE, MAYBE A OR A A A RESTAURANT MIGHT BE. BUT AS FAR AS THOSE USES, I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT IS A MAJOR CONCERN AND IT IS RESIDENTIAL ON THOSE TWO SIDES OF THE STREET. 100%. ANY OTHER, UH, DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. GO TO [13. 25-2731A An application for an amendment to and expansion of Subdistrict 1G on property zoned Subdistricts 1 and 1G within Planned Development District 621, on the south corner of Oak Lawn Avenue and North Stemmons Freeway.] NUMBER, UH, 13. ITEM 13 IS CASE Z 2 45 DASH 1 67 OR Z 2 50 17. AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO AND EXPANSION OF SUBDISTRICT ONE G ON PROPERTY ZONE. OH MY, UH, WE'LL TAKE IT FROM THE TOP THERE. AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TWO AND EXPANSION OF SUBDISTRICT ONE G ON PROPERTY ZONE SUBDISTRICTS ONE AND ONE G WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 6 2 1 ON THE SOUTH CORNER OF OAK LAWN AVENUE AND NORTH STEMMONS FREEWAY. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS CIRCULATED TO THE COMMISSION AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH LINDSEY. THE APPLICANT IS HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON. I, YEAH, GOOD AFTERNOON. RESPECT TO CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. I'M VIPIN NAMBIAR FROM H AND CAPITAL PARTNERS. UH, OUR ADDRESS IS 1807 ROSS AVENUE, SUITE FOUR 40 IN DALLAS, TEXAS. I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF A PROJECT CALLED HIGHLINE SQUARE IN THE DALLAS DESIGN DISTRICT. UH, THERE ARE A FEW HELPFUL SLIDES ON THE SCREEN. WE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WE, UH, AS WE GO THROUGH. UH, I STARTED H AND CAPITAL PARTNERS ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO, SPINNING OUT FROM HUNTER REALTY, WHICH IS A STORIED 50-YEAR-OLD FIRM HERE IN DALLAS, TEXAS. UH, WE STARTED THE COMPANY WITH A SINGULAR DESIRE TO BE A DEVELOPER AND A REAL ESTATE INVESTOR THAT FOCUSES ON QUALITY AND THOUGHTFUL EVOLUTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN WHICH WE OPERATE. WE WERE ALSO FORTUNATE IN PART TO FINDING GREAT PARTNERS, UH, AND MCCO PARTNERS, A FIRM OUT OF LOS ANGELES, A FIRM THAT HAS A SIMILAR FOCUS IN COMMUNITY, UH, AND THE QUALITY OF THE WORK THEY DO. WE ARE MEANINGFUL STAKEHOLDERS IN THE, IN THE DALLAS DESIGN DISTRICT. WE OWN NEARLY 44 ACRES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF DESIGN SHOWROOMS. AND OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE VIRGIN HOTEL AND THE ENTRY OF SEVERAL MARQUEE RESTAURANTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, INCLUDING CARBON, THE MEXICAN, UH, ABOUT A DOZEN, ABOUT A DOZEN RESTAURANTS IN OUR PORTFOLIO. OUR GOAL IS TO BALANCE, UH, THE COMMERCIAL REALITIES OF BUILDING IN A NEW PIONEERING COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AS DALLAS GROWS WITH A DESIRE TO SET A POSITIVE PRECEDENT FOR BOTH THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF AND THE URBAN DESIGN IMPACT IT HAS IN THE OVERALL AREA. YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, RENDERING OF THE, OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT. THIS IS, UM, FROM HIGHLINE DRIVE, WHICH IS, UH, UH, A PROJECT THAT, OR A, A STREET THAT NOW HAS THE LOOP, A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTOR TO THE KATY TRAIL. AND YOU CAN SEE THE INTENT OF THE DESIGN TO KINDA SET THE BUILDINGS BACK OFF OF HIGHLINE DRIVE, UH, AGAINST SPEAKING TO THE URBAN DESIGN SENSITIVITY THAT WE'VE SORT OF TRIED TO, TO DEMONSTRATE. UM, OUR PROJECT WAS CONCEIVED TO BE A MARQUEE GATEWAY TO THE DESIGN DISTRICT, SITTING RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF OAKLAWN AND I 35. THE ARCHITECTURE WAS CREATED TO BE AN ODE TO THE INDUSTRIAL MID-CENTURY AESTHETIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YET PROVIDING A BUILDING THAT ADDS TO THE ICONIC QUALITY OF OUR, OF OUR CITY OF, OF THE SKYLINE OF DALLAS. UH, WE'VE HAD A FEW GUIDING PRINCIPLES HERE IN THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT. UH, LIKE I MENTIONED, SETTING BACK FROM HIGHLINE DRIVE SO THAT THE DENSITY HAD A GRADIENT AND A STEP UP, UH, QUALITY, IMPROVING THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT ON HIGHLINE, WE WANTED TO MAKE A SIGNIFICANT PUSH FOR A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY PLAZA IN THE PUB, IN THE PUBLIC REALM OF THE DEVELOPMENT. SO TO SO AS TO PROVIDE A PLACE FOR THE COMMUNITY [05:25:01] TO CONGREGATE, ADD PROGRAMMING ON THE GROUND AND SECOND LEVELS OF THE PROJECT THAT ACCOMMODATED THE DESIGNED SHOWROOM, UH, COMPONENT OF THE, OF THE DISTRICT SO AS TO NOT DISPLACE THAT INDUSTRY, BUT TO FOLD THEM INTO THE FUTURE DENSITY THAT TAKES SHAPE, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND LASTLY, WE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT NO ADDITIONAL PARKING LOAD WAS BEING CREATED, UH, THAT COULDN'T BE HANDLED ON THE PROPERTY AND THE DEVELOPMENT. I BELIEVE WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED THESE GOALS. OUR ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS HAVE DONE AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB AND DESIGN. UH, AND WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU, SIR. MR. CHAIR COMMISSIONERS VICTORIA MORRIS WITH JACKSON WALKER, 2323 ROSS AVENUE, SUITE 600. I WILL KEEP THIS VERY BRIEF, BUT THE SUMMARY OF OUR REQUEST IS AN INCREASE OF FAR THAT IS GENERALLY COMMENSURATE WITH THE EXPANSION OF SUBDISTRICT ONE G ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, BUT WITH HEIGHT COMES ADDITIONAL DESIGN FEATURES THAT HELP IMPROVE THE PUBLIC REALM, COMMIT TO DIFF DIFFERENT AND DISTINCT OPEN SPACE AREAS, AND ALSO ENSURE ARCHITECTURAL, UH, UNIQUENESS AND COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS, AND ALSO AN OFF STREET PARKING REDUCTION, ALL OF WHICH WOULD BE SELF-CONTAINED WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT. WITH THAT, WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? EITHER IN SUPPORT OR IN OPPOSITION? OKAY. C NONE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? YES. IN THE MATTER OF CASES Z 2 45 DASH 1 67 SLASH Z DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 7. I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND APPLICANT'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES IN SECTION 51 P 6, 21 0.09, A FIVE ONE B FOUR AA. STRIKE THE PHRASE IN A MANNER THAT IS ARCHITECTURALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE MAIN BUILDING AND IN SECTION 51 P 6 29 A FIVE FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF 61 TO 80%. THANK THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS, DISCUSSION QUESTIONS, STAFF, SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. WE'LL GO [14. 25-2732A An application for 1) RR Regional Retail District and 2) the termination of deed restrictions [Z034-280] on property zoned MU-1 Mixed Use District, on the south corner of Ferguson Road and Little Pocket Road.] TO 14. THANK YOU. ITEM 14 IS KZ 2 45 DASH TWO 14 DASH UH, Z 25 1. AN APPLICATION FOR ONE IN RR REGIONAL, REGIONAL DISTRICT. AND TWO, THE TERMINATION OF DE RESTRICTIONS Z 0 3 4 2 8 0 ON PROPERTY ZONE MU ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH CORNER OF FERGUSON ROAD AND LITTLE POCKET ROAD. SO RECOMMENDATION IS ONE DENIAL OF RR REGIONAL DISTRICT AND TWO, APPROVAL OF TERMINATION OF DATE RESTRICTIONS Z 0 34 DASH 2 8 0. I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, ROB BALDIN 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS. I'M HERE REPRESENTING PROPERTY ON OUR SUNBELT RESTORATION AND WATERPROOFING SYSTEMS, UH, THROUGH 7 3 3 0 FERGUSON ROAD. WELL, YOU KNOW, I DO THIS EVERY WEEK. YOU'D THINK I'D KNOW HOW TO DO IT. SO IT'S, IT'S ON FERGUSON ROAD JUST NORTH OF I 30. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN ON THIS SECTION OF FERGUSON ROAD. IT'S A, IT'S A COLLECTION OF AUTO RELATED USES, SOME APARTMENTS, UH, THERE, UH, THE BIG HIGH, IT'S NOT A HIGH SCHOOL. IT'S, UH, A BIG ATHLETIC FIELD ACROSS THE STREET. UM, WE ARE THIS SITE HERE RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF LITTLE POCKET AND FERGUSON ROAD. IT'S CURRENTLY VACANT ZONE MU ONE. MY CLIENT IS, OWNS THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT DOOR. THEY'VE BEEN THERE SINCE THE LATE 1950S IN THE SAME BUILDING. THEY WANT TO EXPAND THEIR BUSINESS OVER TO THIS SITE. THIS IS THEIR EXISTING PROPERTY HERE. YOU CAN SEE THEIR BUILDINGS IN THE BACK AND THEIR, UH, WHERE THEY STORE THEIR EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS IS IN THE FRONT. SO WE WANNA REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM THE MU ONE TO A REGIONAL RETAIL [05:30:01] RR, UH, TO ALLOW FOR, UH, THE, THE BUSINESS OF EXPAND THEIR BUSINESS OF BUILDING MAINTENANCE OR REPAIR YARD. UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS USE HAS ALLOWED IN BOTH THE RR AND CR DISTRICTS, BUT WE CHOSE THE RR JUST GIVEN THAT WE'RE SURROUNDED BY RR AND IT MAKES FOR A, A MORE ACCURATE MAP AND IT WOULD KEEP A ZONING DISTRICT BOUNDARY LINE FROM GOING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF A BUILDING. UH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT FATAL, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S HARD WHEN YOU GET LENDING MONEY. JUST, JUST TELL PEOPLE YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS. SO THIS IS THE SITE, AND THIS IS LOOKING TOWARDS THE SITE. YOU CAN SEE A MIXTURE OF USES. EVERYTHING IN THE PURPLE IS ALL RR. WE ARE IN THE BLUE. UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE THOUGHT THE RR MADE SENSE. WE, UM, WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH VICKI MARTIN AND THE FERGUSON ROAD INITIATIVE. AND IF I DON'T, IF YOU DON'T KNOW VICKI, SHE'S A, A GREAT PERSON AND SHE'S BEEN DOING, UH, THE FERGUSON ROAD INITIATIVE FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS AND DONE A GREAT JOB. UM, SHE'S VERY EASY TO WORK WITH, BUT NOT A PUSHOVER. SHE'S VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT. BUT IF YOU NOTICE ON YOUR LETTER IT SAID, UH, CONDITIONAL SUPPORT AND THAT CONDITION IS THAT MY CLIENT AFTER CBC AND BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, HAS TO BRING HER ARCHITECTURAL DRAWING TO SHOW WHAT THE BUILDING'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AND THE LANDSCAPING. IT'S STILL A STRAIGHT ZONING CASE, SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE TIED TO THE ZONING. BUT, UM, SHE WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT SHE SEES THAT BEFORE SHE GIVES FUNNEL SUPPORT AT CITY COUNCIL. MY CLIENT HAS AGREED TO DO THAT, AND, UH, I'M CONFIDENT IT'S GONNA HAPPEN, UH, BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. WE HAVE TWO MONTHS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. UH, SO LET'S SEE. JUST QUICKLY, I'LL SHOW YOU AGAIN. THIS IS NOT A, THIS IS A STRAIGHT ZONING CASE. THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE OUR BUILDING PUSHED TO THE FRONT, UH, A LOT OF LANDSCAPING AROUND IT AND THE PARKING TOWARDS THE BACK. AND THAT WAS MY TIME. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, COMMISSIONER. UH, WELL WE NEED A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z 4 2 45 DASH TWO FOUR. I MOVED TO, I MOVED TO CLOSE OF PUBLIC HEARING AND DO AND NOT FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL, UM, FOR, UH, BUT APPROVE FOR RR REGIONAL DISTRICT AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR TERMINATION OF DEED RESTRICTIONS, UM, SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING AND DEPREDATIONS ARE WITHIN THE DOCKET. CAN I HAVE A COMMENT? THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION. UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER AND YOUR SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON COMMENTS. UM, THE ONE THING ABOUT MS. VICKY IS WHEN I GET A CASE IN FRI DISTRICT, IT'S REALLY JUST A FORMALITY OF CALLING. 'CAUSE IF SHE DOESN'T, IF, IF FRI, WHICH IS THE WHOLE GROUP OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS SURROUNDING THE FERGUSON ROAD, JOHN WEST AREA, THEY VOICE, THEY KNOW, THEY RESEARCHED BY THE TIME WE GET THE CASE, THEY HAVE DONE THE WORK. UM, SO, UM, WHEN, WHEN MR. BALDWIN CALLED ME, I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, I STILL GOTTA CALL VICKY, BUT WHEN I CALLED HER, SHE SAID THAT THE PREVIOUS OWNER DIDN'T KEEP THE PROPERTY SO MUCH, BUT THIS OWNER IS, AND SHE WAS DEFINITELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING AND THAT THEY HAD MADE HER A PROMISE, UM, THAT THEY WOULD BE DOING THIS. BUT SO FAR THEY HAVE BEEN A GOOD, WHEN AFTER THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, THEY HAVE BEEN A GOOD, UM, NEIGHBOR AND SHE WAS MORE THAN WILLING TO SUPPORT THIS PROCESS. BUT YEAH, SHE'S DEFINITELY NOT THE, SHE SAID THAT IT'S RIGHT. THEY, THE SUPPORT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. UM, PLEASE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION. ONE QUESTION FOR MR. BALDWIN. I BELIEVE THE PLAN YOU SHOWED, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE THE ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY. I'M SORRY, COULD YOU MOVE YOUR YES, I CAN. SORRY. I DON'T SPEAK LOUDLY ENOUGH. YES, SOMETIMES, UM, I DO SUPPORT THE MOTION. I DID WANT TO CONFIRM, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ONGOING COMMUNICATIONS ON THE COMMUNITY BEFORE THIS GOES TO COUNCIL. IN THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU SHOWED US WITH THE, UH, REGIONAL RETAIL EXTENDING TOWARDS THE MULTIFAMILY, UM, THAT EXISTS AS YOUR PERIMETER, YOU'LL HAVE BUFFERS THAT GET INTEGRATED AND THOSE WILL ALL BE REFLECTED AS PART OF YOUR COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. FULL EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPE BUFFER. AND WE ALSO HAVE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE BACK THERE IN OUR BUILDINGS, PURPOSELY PUSHED TO THE STREET AT, UH, UH, F I'S REQUEST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, WHILE I UNDERSTAND AND IN SUPPORT OF THE COMMUNITY'S WILLINGNESS TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO RR TO ACCOMMODATE THE EXISTING GOOD NEIGHBOR BUSINESS, HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION WITH THE NEIGHBORS OR DO THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT OTHER USES COULD GO IN RR BY? RIGHT. THAT MIGHT NOT BE COMPATIBLE. WAS [05:35:01] THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO, IF NOT, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH TERMINATING THESE DUE RESTRICTIONS, BUT OFFERING AN ALTERNATE SET OF DEED RESTRICTIONS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, A COMMERCIAL BUS STATION COULD GO IN THERE. UM, VEHICLE ENGINE REPAIR, HEAVY MACHINERY EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, DUMP TRUCK PARKING. WAS THERE, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OF THAT? NO, MA'AM. THERE WASN'T. UH, WE, WE WERE UPFRONT OF WHAT WE WERE DOING AND, UH, UH, MS. MARTIN IS AWARE OF THE ZONING AND SHE'S, SHE WAS COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AS WERE THE NEIGHBORS. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? OKAY. C WE HAVE A MOTION MAY BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOT FALSE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT RATHER APPROVE THE RR AND APPROVAL OF THE TERMINATION OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. BLESS YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AND THE OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES. IF I COULD PLEASE, I JUST WANT TO THANK, COMMISSIONER, UH, IT'S BEEN A REAL PLEASURE, UH, PRACTICING IN FRONT OF YOU FOR THE LAST, HOWEVER, BACK WHEN I HAD HAIR, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'VE BEEN, YOU'VE BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH THAT I'M GONNA MISS YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, COMMISSIONERS WILL [SUBDIVISION DOCKET - Consent Items] MOVE ON TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEM, SUBDIVISION DOCKET CONSISTING OF CASES 15 THROUGH 21. 15 THROUGH 21. UM, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON ANY OF THOSE CASES? 15 THROUGH 21? IF SO, WE'LL PULL IT OFF, CONSENT AND DISPOSE OF IT INDIVIDUALLY. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE CASES? 15 THROUGH 21? IF NOT, THEY WILL BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION. OKAY. WE'LL GET THOSE RIGHT INTO THE RECORD, PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. AND EVERYONE, THE TODAY'S CONSENT IS IN THAT CONSISTS OF SEVEN ITEMS. ITEM 15, ITEM 16, ITEM 17, ITEM 18, ITEM 19, ITEM 20, ITEM 21. ALL CASES HAVE BEEN POSTED FOR HEARING AT THIS TIME. AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION FOR CASES 15 THROUGH 21? UH, PARDON ME. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES. IN THE MATTER OF THE CON SUBDIVISION CONSENT DOCKET, ITEMS 15 THROUGH 21, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HOUSE FOR YOUR SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? [Additional Item] I THINK WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL BUSINESS BEFORE WE OH, NO ADJOURN, MR. CHAIR. LEMME GET MY TENNIS SHOES ON NOW. RUNNING OUT THIS ROOM. RON. NO, I WOULD LIKE MY TWO MINUTES AFTERNOON. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TIE ME DOWN. UM, I'M HAPPY TO KICK THIS OFF OR IF SOMEONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO. SO, DO WE HAVE ANY VOLUNTEERS? UM, I'LL START. OKAY, GREAT. COMMISSIONER HERBERT. UM, SO COMING IN, I'M, I WAS THE ROOKIE BEFORE THE NEW ROOKIES. NO. UM, BUT I, I CAME IN, UM, TO THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION, UM, FROM A VERY DIFFERENT PLACE. UM, MY COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE LEAVING. THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON IN THE BACKGROUND. UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF MOVEMENT IN MY DISTRICT, IN MY AREA. UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF TALKS ABOUT SOUTH VERSUS NORTH AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. UM, I CAME HERE WITH MY EYES WIDE OPEN AND CHAIR TONY REELED ME IN. UM, HE GAVE ME A, A CONFIDENCE IN MYSELF. HE GAVE ME THE ABILITY TO SPEAK FOR NOT ONLY ME, BUT THE ENTIRE, UM, CITY OF DALLAS. UM, AND THEN AS I BEGIN TO SPEAK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, FROM MY HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVES, FROM THE DIFFERENT LIVES I'VE LIVED AND SEEN CHAIR TONY HAS ALWAYS ENCOURAGED ME TO MOVE FURTHER. UM, I'VE HAD CONFLICTS WITH PEOPLE AT THE HARSH AROUND THIS HORSESHOE AND SIRONI WAS THERE TO ORCHESTRATE US, GET US TOGETHER AND FIND COMMON GROUND. WE'RE GONNA MISS YOU. UM, I APPRECIATE YOU, UM, THIS LITTLE KID FROM NEW ORLEANS WHO THOUGHT HE KNEW EVERYTHING, LEARNED A LOT WATCHING YOU MANEUVER AROUND THIS HORSESHOE. SO THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. WELL, UM, I ECHO THE SENTIMENT. WE'RE GONNA MISS, UH, WE'RE GONNA, GONNA MISS CHAIR TONY, UH, QUITE A BIT. I'VE KNOWN TONY EVER SINCE I GOT ON THE COMMISSION [05:40:01] A A LONG TIME. AND, UM, I, I ADMIRE HIM SO MUCH, UH, HERE IN RECENT YEARS OF HOW HE IS LED AS CHAIR OF CPC AND, UH, JUST ALWAYS, UH, PREPARED AND, UH, ALWAYS, UM, JUST A, A GREAT EXAMPLE FOR US. BUT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE TENURE THAT I'VE, I'VE KNOWN HIM ON THE COMMISSION, JUST ALWAYS PROFESSIONAL, ALWAYS POLITE, ALWAYS, UM, RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE. IT'S JUST A, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, AND, AND ALWAYS PREPARED. UH, SO THANK YOU TONY. THANK YOU FOR, UH, JUST THE EXAMPLE YOU'VE BEEN TO ALL OF US AND, UH, FOR ALL THE, ALL THE REALLY HARD WORK, ALL THE, ALL THE GOOD YOU'VE DONE FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS. I HOPE YOU REALIZE THAT. SO THANK YOU. YEP. I'LL, JUST TO BE BRIEF, 'CAUSE YOU GUYS ARE SAYING A LOT OF THE SAME THINGS THAT I'M THINKING, UM, TONY, YOU'VE BEEN GREAT. LIKE, I'M, I'M BRAND NEW AND YOU WERE ALWAYS GRACIOUS WITH YOUR TIME WITH ME AND THE KNOWLEDGE, AND YOU'VE SHARED SO MUCH KNOWLEDGE WITH ME, AND I, I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DID AND I HOPE, I HOPE WE COULD STAY IN TOUCH MR. SIM. YEAH. IT HAS BEEN SAID, UH, MR. CHAIR, THAT THE MARK OF A MASTER IS SOMEONE WHO MAKES SOMETHING EXTRAORDINARILY DIFFICULT, LOOK EXTRAORDINARILY EASY. AND IF THAT IS TRUE, THEN YOU ARE INDEED A GRAND MASTER AMONG CHAIRS. IT'S BEEN AN HONOR. COMMISSIONER WILLER, I, I REALLY LOVED COMMISSIONER SHADI. LIKE HE SAME SENTIMENTS THAT HE HAS SAID, I'VE GOT A PHONE CALL HER, HER, AND THERE HE'S SO CALM. I ONLY SEEN HIM FLUSTERED ONE TIME WHEN THE GUY, IT WAS LATE AND THE GUY WAS LIKE, HE THOUGHT WE GOT PAID . AND TONY, TONY IMMEDIATELY WAS LIKE, WE DO THIS FREE . LIKE NEVER HAD I SEEN HIM FLUSTERED. LIKE, WE ARE HERE WITH YOU TOO. YOU THINK WE'RE NOT FRUSTRATED. IT'S LIKE NINE AT NIGHT. WE A BREAK. WE WANT, WE NEED A BUNCH OF BREAKS. BUT JUST, UH, HIS KNOWLEDGE AND HIM MAKING IT LOOK SEAMLESS. LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER CHAIR WILL PUT UP WITH US. UM, WHEN WE WINDED, WHEN WE'RE NOT WINDED, WHEN WE FLUSTERED, HE CAN REEL IN IN SUCH A CALM WAY. UM, AND, AND SO I I, YOU TRULY ARE GOING TO BE MISSED, UM, EVEN OUTSIDE THESE DOORS. HE'S BEEN GREAT. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW YOU LEAVING, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA REEL IN THE KIDS. IS THE, IS THE, IS THE HOUSE GONNA TURN INTO A MAD HOUSE? ? AND SO I WAS LIKE, WELL, LORD, IF THEY PUT BRENT IN CHARGE, BRENT GONNA CUT US OFF QUICK, ISN'T HE? BRENT? BRENT NERVES IS REAL SHORT , WHO'S GONNA SIT NEXT TO BRI . SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER HALL, TONY, YOU'VE BEEN, UM, YOU'VE BEEN A FRIEND AND A MENTOR AND I I I'VE KNOWN YOU SINCE MY TIME ON ZAC MANY, UH, MANY YEARS AGO. UH, I THINK YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN THERE FOR ME, YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN THERE FOR US AND I'VE APPRECIATED YOUR SUPPORT AND YOUR ENCOURAGEMENT. AND I HOPE THAT, UH, OUR FRIENDSHIP AND EVERYTHING WILL CONTINUE. AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO BRENT. I THINK HE'S, HE'S GONNA BRING A DIFFERENT TONE AND FLAVOR, BUT I THINK HE'S A SMART GUY. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, UH, MR. CHAIR HAS BEEN A GREAT HONOR SERVING ON THIS COMMISSION, UH, WITH YOU, UH, FROM DAY ONE, YOU'VE BEEN A, A TEACHER. UH, YOU'VE SHOWED ME THE ROPES. UM, AND WE MAY NOT HAVE ALWAYS AGREED ON CASES, BUT YOU HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORTED ME EVERY DAY ALONG THE WAY. AND I THANK YOU AND I'M ETERNALLY GRATEFUL FOR THAT. YOU'LL BE MISSED. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. WELL, I THINK MOST OF YOU KNOW, I TEND TO THINK OF EVERYTHING IN TERMS OF DOGS AND UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK A YEAR, A YEAR ON PLAN COMMISSION I THINK IS EQUAL TO ABOUT SEVEN, YOU KNOW, YEARS OF NORMAL LIFE. SO BY THAT, YOU'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION FOR 68 YEARS, . YEAH, I DO THANK YOUR SERVICE. WE, THOSE OF US WHO ARE ON THE COMMISSION KNOW, KNOW WHAT THIS INVOLVES. IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF WORK AND IT'S A REAL COMMITMENT AND DEDICATION TO THE CITY TO, TO DO THIS KIND OF SERVICE. SORRY, SORRY, JUST TO JUMP IN THERE FOR COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. IT IS TRUE. I, IT I HAVE BEEN ON SO LONG THAT I ALWAYS, I FREQUENTLY SAY THAT I WAS SIX FOUR AND HAD JET BLACK HAIR WHEN I JOINED, AND I'M ABOUT FIVE NINE NOW. SO ANYONE ELSE? UM, I KNOW STAFF HAS SOMETHING TO SAY AND I HAVE SOME WORDS AS WELL, BUT YEAH, WE, WE DON'T WANNA TAKE YOUR TIME. WE WANT IT TO COME AT THE END. SO, UH, HOWEVER YOU WANT. UH, YOU HAVE ALL STAFF IN [05:45:01] THERE, OR THE ONES THAT WERE IN THE BUILDING AT THIS POINT? UM, YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT EMOTIONAL. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. UH, I'VE BEEN THINKING THAT I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS. I DON'T WANNA MAKE THIS ABOUT ME, BUT I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR MORE THAN SIX AND A HALF YEARS. AND ALL OF THOSE YEARS, UH, I'VE SERVED WITH YOU CHERISH SHE DID WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. SO IT IS, I THINK WE'RE ALL A TEAM HERE. UM, I'M GONNA SAY A FEW WORDS. I'M GONNA START BY TELLING YOU WE HAVE SOME GIFTS OR APPRECIATION OR HONOR FROM STAFF. UM, AS I SAID, PROBABLY A LOT OF US ARE GONNA WANNA SPEAK, SO I'M JUST GONNA LEAD THE WAY. UM, WE HAVE A LITTLE BOOK THAT WE ALL SIGNED FOR YOU. IT'S, UM, OBVIOUSLY HAS A MEANING BEHIND IT. IT'S CALLED THE PEDESTRIAN'S RECENT HISTORY OF DALLAS . SO I WOULD INVITE YOU TO READ THROUGH IT. UM, WE ALSO PREPARED A CARD FOR YOU BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU'RE GONNA LOVE TO KNOW ALL YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE. JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WOULD SAY YOU ARE APPOINTED TO CPC IN OCTOBER, 2013. YOU ARE APPOINTED AT VICE CHAIR IN, UM, FEBRUARY, 2019. YOU BECAME CHAIR IN SEPTEMBER, 2019. DURING THIS TIME, UH, WE HAD A TOTAL OF, OR YOU SERVED A TOTAL OF 297 CBC MEETINGS. UM, YOU WORKED CONSIDERED A TOTAL OF 2000 700 0 1 ZONING CASES, BUT IT BECOMES BETTER. THE ALL ITEMS CONSIDERED ARE ACTUALLY 6,902. UM, SO YES, WE WILL HAVE THIS CARD FROM US ON THE SIDE. ON THE BACK, YOU'RE GONNA FIND THE NAMES OF ALL THE COMMISSIONERS THAT ALSO SERVE THE LONG YOUR, YOUR SIDE SINCE 2013. THERE IS A MAP OF DISTRICT FIVE BECAUSE DON'T FORGET, YOU'RE ALSO DISTRICT FIVE COMMISSIONER AND ALL THE CASES THAT HAPPENED IN THIS TIME. UM, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE, UM, YOUR NORMAL HONOR, UM, FOR YOU. BUT WE ALSO HAVE A WONDERFUL AWARD. I WOULD SAY. JUST A SECOND, . SO IT'S THE CHAIRMAN'S AWARD OF EXCELLENCE TO INHI CITY OF DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION FROM SEPTEMBER, 2019 TO SEPTEMBER, 2025. UM, AGAIN, THIS IS INTACT. I'M GONNA GIVE IT TO YOU, BUT I WOULD WANNA SAY FEW WORDS AS WELL. UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL. I THINK YOU'RE A WONDERFUL CHAIR. YOU'RE A WONDERFUL MENTOR. YOU'RE A WONDERFUL FRIEND. UM, I'M SPEAKING FOR ALL STAFF THAT WAS PLANNING AND ZONING IN ALL OUR DEPARTMENT RECONFIGURATION IN THE LAST YEARS. UM, I THINK AS A TOKEN TO THE BOOK, I WANT YOU TO BE PROUD WHEN YOU WALK THE CITY OF DALLAS BECAUSE, UH, A LOT HAPPENED IN THE PAST YEARS AND YOU'VE TOUCHED A LOT. YOU'VE MADE THE DALLAS GREENER MORE TREES. I'M ALLUDING TO ALL CODE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE TRYING TO PULL THEM. UM, BRIGHT SIZED PARKING LOTS, MORE HOUSING, MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, OBVIOUSLY A BETTER DALLAS FORWARD. UM, WE'RE SAD TO SEE YOU GO. WE WILL ALL MISS YOU. YOU CAN SEE HERE AGAIN, TOKEN OF OUR APPRECIATION FROM STAFF. UM, I WILL INVITE A LOT OTHERS TO SAY A FEW WORDS. TRY NOT TO BE EMOTIONAL. I HAVE A LOT OF WORDS IN IN THE BOOK, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FROM ALL OF US. UM, WE WILL MISS YOU. BUT AS I SAID, BE PROUD. 'CAUSE WHEN WE LOOK OUTSIDE, I THINK YOU TOUCHED UPTOWN SKYLINE, EVEN JUST THAT. AND I THINK YOU'VE TOUCHED THAT. AND I WOULD TAKE GREAT PRIDE. THANK YOU FOR BEING WONDERFUL CPC LEADER, BUT MOSTLY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LEADING CPC TO BE A TRUE PARTNER WITH STAFF. SO FROM OUR DEPARTMENT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL ALRIGHT ON STAFF, WANT TO SPEAK OR ON THE COMMISSION? I I ALSO HAVE TO MR. PORT BAR. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. CHURCH HADID. I LOST TRACK OF TIME OF THE YEARS THAT, UH, EVERY [05:50:01] OTHER WEEK I HAVE TEXTED YOU. THOSE WERE THE WEEK THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE CPC. AND I HAVE ASKED YOU IF YOU HAVE TIME TO SIGN PLAQUE FOR ME. YOU HAVE ALWAYS CAME THROUGH. WE MET AT, UH, SEVERAL COFFEE SHOP, DIFFERENT COFFEE SHOP THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF DALLAS HERE AND THERE. AND, UH, IT WASN'T LIKE ONE OR TWO PLAT. UH, I THINK I REMEMBER ONE OCCASION I HAD 15 OR 16 PLAT. EACH PLAT HAS, UH, LIKE THREE OR FOUR COPIES WITH THE CERTIFICATE LAYER OVER 60 SOMETHING SIGNATURE. AND YOU SAT DOWN AND YOU SIGNED EACH ONE OF THEM ONE BY ONE. WELL, I GUESS WE NEED TO STOP MEETING LIKE THAT NOW. CHURCH I DID ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION STAFF, UH, SHAR MILLER AND HEMA ARE HERE. AND ON BEHALF OF ALL THE DEVELOPER ENGINEERS, SURVEYORS WHO HAD TO HAVE THEIR PLA SIGNED BY CERTAIN DATE AND MYSELF, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND GOD BLESS YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I CAN'T EVEN LIFT IT. UM, I DON'T REALLY REMEMBER HOW LONG AGO IT WAS AT THIS POINT. UM, BUT NOT THAT LONG AGO. I STOOD UP HERE FOR THE FIRST TIME AND WARNED ALL OF YOU TO BE KIND TO ME AT MY FIRST PRESENTATION BEFORE CPC BECAUSE MY MOTHER WAS WATCHING . UM, I'VE TOLD THAT STORY TO OUR YOUNGER PLANNERS AS THEY'VE COME IN, UM, I GUESS TO MAKE FUN OF MYSELF AND PUT THEM AT A BIT OF EASE TO LET THEM KNOW I WAS NERVOUS TOO. UM, SO NORMALLY WHEN WE COME UP HERE, UM, WE, I MEAN, WE NEVER TURN OUR PERSONAL SELVES OFF A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT WHEN WE PRESENT TO YOU, IT'S, IT'S NOT ABOUT US. IT'S ABOUT THE CASE THAT WE'RE BRINGING BEFORE YOU AND WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE YOU GOOD INFORMATION, UM, FACTS AND CONTEXT SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE. UM, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT STRANGE. UM, I'M TO BE UP HERE KIND OF, I AM GONNA MAKE IT ABOUT PERSONAL. UM, SO I'M TIRED, SO I'M A LITTLE BIT MORE EMOTIONAL WHEN I'M TIRED. UM, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT I CAN BE A LITTLE PASSIONATE ABOUT THINGS AT TIMES. UM, , I TAKE MY MY WORK VERY SERIOUSLY. UM, I LIKE TO DO A GOOD JOB. I WANT TO REPRESENT THE THE TEAM WELL, AND I WANNA DO A GOOD JOB FOR YOU, FOR YOU ALL. UM, AND SO IN THE BEGINNING, IN THE VERY FIRST FEW TIMES DOING THIS, THERE WERE TIMES THAT I GOT A LITTLE BIT FRUSTRATED ABOUT THINGS NOT GOING A CERTAIN WAY OR WHATEVER. UM, AND YOU MADE A COMMENT TO ME THAT PROBABLY DIDN'T EVEN MEAN IT PROBABLY, YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE IT WAS A BIG DEAL, BUT YOU JUST SAID PLAY THE LONG GAME. AND IT WAS IMMENSELY HELPFUL. YOU HAVE PROBABLY NO IDEA AT THE TIME THAT IT MEANT EVEN THAT MUCH, BUT IT JUST KIND OF HELPED ME FOCUS BETTER. IT'S NOT ABOUT ANY ONE MOMENT, IT'S NOT ABOUT A PARTICULAR CASE. IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU. IT'S ABOUT THE WORK AND WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE CITY. AND, UM, I LEARNED A GREAT DEAL FROM YOU. UM, IT WAS ALSO KIND OF FUN SITTING NEXT TO YOU AND SEEING THAT YOU ALSO CAN BE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THINGS, UM, TO SEE THE HUMAN SIDE. AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST BEEN A, A, A PRIVILEGE AND AN HONOR. AND I'VE, I I I RESPECT YOU IMMENSELY. UH, I TRULY APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU'VE SERVED AND I'M SAD TO SEE IT END. I, BUT I'M, I'M VERY GRATEFUL. I'LL, I'LL SAY JUST A FEW WORDS AND THEN I, I GUESS WE WILL WRAP IT UP. I UNDERSTAND. OH, THERE, THERE'S ONE MORE. ONE OR TWO MORE. MR. NAVAREZ. . DOES THAT HAVE TO GO TO SUBDIVISION ? NOT A NAME . SIR, YOU DESERVE, UM, YOUR NAME ON THIS PLAQUE [05:55:01] JUST, JUST AS MUCH. UM, I I, I'M VERY HONORED AND, AND THANKFUL THAT I GOT TO WORK WITH YOU. UM, YOU TAUGHT ME TO DO SMALL BRIEF TO THE POINT YOU USED WORDS LIKE, UM, YOU, YOU WOULD TELL ME THAT I WAS VERY PRACTICAL, BUT YOU WERE TELLING ME TO BE PRACTICAL IN MY, SO I, I TRULY APPRECIATE GETTING TO WORK WITH YOU FOR ALL THESE YEARS. ONCE A CHAIR, ALWAYS A CHAIR, I COME ACROSS CHAIR TARPLEY AROUND THE WAY, UH, AROUND THE CITY AND, AND, AND TO, AND SHE LAUGHS AT ME. 'CAUSE I STILL CALL HER CHAIR TARPLEY. AND YOU WILL ALWAYS BE CHAIR SHEED FOR US. SO I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR INTEGRITY, UH, THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT YOU TAKE ONTO THE JOB, THAT YOU DUNNO HOW YOU HANDLE IT. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW FOR HOW, HOW YOU WERE ABLE TO HANDLE, UM, THE MEETINGS THAT WHERE I WOULD JUST GO AND SEE YOU THERE. AND THEN ANOTHER MEETING. I WOULD WONDER WHERE, WHERE DOES CHE DID LIVE? BECAUSE , IS THIS AROUND HIS DISTRICT? MAYBE HE'S IN THE AREA. I REALLY THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU POURED INTO YOUR JOB AND, AND IT WAS A TRUE HONOR FOR ME TO WORK WITH YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. SOME OF YOU HAVE NOT MET PERSONALLY YET. UH, MY NAME IS EMILY LIU, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. I'M ONLY HERE FOR ABOUT A YEAR. AND I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST STARTED, UM, CHURCH DID GIMME A LOT OF GUIDANCE IN TERMS OF POLITICS, IN THE CITY. AND, UH, IT'S, IT IS, UH, IT'S VERY, UH, DIFFICULT TO NAVIGATE WHEN, WHEN YOU ARE NEW HERE. AND I REMEMBER A LOT OF THE WISE AND THE GUIDANCE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. SO I JUST WANT TO USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATED SERVICE AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, YOUR EXTRAORDINARY LEADERSHIP. AND I THANK, UM, ALSO IMPORTANT ADDITION TO THE GUIDANCE. I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THE WAY YOU APPROACH WITH JUST NOT ONLY THE SUBJECT, BUT ALSO INTERACT WITH OUR STAFF. I TRULY APPRECIATE THAT. NOT ONLY YOU ARE VERY PROFESSIONAL, SOMETIME YOU VERY PROTECTIVE. SO YOU RESPECT US AS PLANNERS, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT, UM, UH, AS A PLANNER. SO I JUST COULDN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH. EVEN THOUGH I'M ONLY HERE FOR A YEAR, A LITTLE YEAR, I ALREADY FEEL THE IMPACT OF YOUR WORK. CAN YOU IMAGINE FROM 2013 TO NOW IS 12 YEARS, 12 YEARS OF IMPACT THAT'S GONNA BE FELT FOR GENERATIONS TO COME IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, JERSEY DID HOPE WE'LL BE IN TOUCH. WELL, I SAT DOWN A COUPLE TIMES OVER THE MR, MR VICE CHAIR. I THINK THE CHAIR NEEDS TO HEAR FROM LEGAL ONE ONE, OKAY. YES, ABSOLUTELY. WE NEED SOME PARTING LEGAL ADVICE. LEGAL, I WILL NOT BE GIVING A SPEECH. UH, TONY, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR 12 YEARS OF FRIENDSHIP AND I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT THAT HAS MEANT TO ME. WELL, I SAT DOWN OVER THE WEEKEND A COUPLE OF TIMES TO TRY TO PUT TOGETHER SOME REMARKS, BUT I FIGURED PUTTING PEN TO PAPER WOULD MEAN THAT IT WAS REAL. SO I PROCRASTINATED AND PROCRASTINATED AND DIDN'T WANT THIS DAY TO COME, BUT IT'S HERE. AND, UM, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU TONY, SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. THE CITY OF DALLAS IS A BETTER PLACE BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR THE LAST 12 YEARS AND THE PLAN COMMISSION IN THE LAST SIX YEARS. UM, AS THE CHAIR OF THIS BODY, YOU ARE ONE OF THE HARDEST WORKING PEOPLE I KNOW. AND YOU HAVE GUIDED US WITH A STEADY HAND THROUGH, UM, UPS AND DOWNS AND CHANGES AND PERSONNEL AND STAFF AND POLICIES. AND YOU'VE ALWAYS DONE IT WITH INTEGRITY AND COURTESY. YOU'VE ENCOUNTERED LOTS OF INTERESTING PERSONALITIES ALONG THE WAY, BUT YOU HAVE TREATED PEOPLE RIGHT? AND I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BEST, YOU KNOW, QUALITIES THAT THIS BODY CAN HAVE IN A CHAIR IS TO GIVE EVERYONE, WHETHER IT'S STAFF OR [06:00:01] OUR COLLEAGUES OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, A FAIR SHAKE. AND I HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN YOU TO DO THAT. AND THAT WAS APPARENT THAT YOU WERE THAT TYPE OF GUY FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT I SAT DOWN TO MEET WITH YOU WHEN I WAS A BABY COMMISSIONER, UM, NEWLY ELECTED TO THIS BODY. UM, YOU'VE ALSO BEEN A TREMENDOUS MENTOR AND A TRUSTED ADVISOR TO ME. AND, UM, DON'T THINK THAT THOSE PHONE CALLS STILL WON'T COME EVEN AFTER YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT HERE AT THE HORSESHOE ANYMORE. I KNOW THAT YOU'RE ONLY A PHONE CALL AWAY. AND I EXPECT THAT WILL BE THE SAME FOR, FOR MANY OF ME AND MY COLLEAGUES, UM, EVEN WHEN YOU'RE NOT AROUND. UM, AND FINALLY, AND OF, OF EQUAL IMPORTANCE TO ALL OF THAT, YOU'VE BECOME TRULY ONE OF MY GREAT FRIENDS IN LIFE. AND I'M SAD YOU WON'T BE HERE, SO THANK YOU. PLEASE NO MORE. UH, WELL, I, I THINK IF YOU GUYS KNOW ME, THE ONES THAT KNOW ME, KNOW HOW EXTRAORDINARILY DIFFICULT THAT WAS FOR ME. UH, I AM MY LEAST FAVORITE SUBJECT, IN FACT. AND, UH, MY, MY PERSONALITY WAS, WAS JUST TO TAKE A BREAK AND THEN HIT THE ROAD. UH, BUT I APPRECIATE IT. AND, UH, IT MEANS A LOT TO ME. IT REALLY DOES. AND, YOU KNOW, FOR STAFF, I WANT TO THANK YOU FIRST. UH, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT, UH, THIS DEPARTMENT IS A NOBLE ONE. UH, AND IT'S BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH YOU. YOU'VE MADE THIS JOB VERY EASY FOR ME, UH, EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREED ALWAYS PROFESSIONAL ABOUT IT. AND, UH, IN FACT, I LEARNED EVERYTHING I KNOW ABOUT BEING ON THE PLANE COMMISSION FROM, FROM YOU GUYS. AND SO I THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THAT. UH, AND TO MY COLLEAGUES, THE, THE PAST AND PRESENT, UH, BEING ON THE PLAN COMMISSION IS REALLY JUST ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE. AND THAT HAS BEEN THE MOST EXHILARATING PART TO ME IS TO GET TO KNOW YOU GUYS, UH, AS, AS HUMANS, AND TO GET TO KNOW WHAT MAKES YOU TICK, UH, AND TO SERVE WITH YOU. AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FRIENDSHIPS THAT WE'VE FORGED THROUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF TRIUMPHS AND A COUPLE OF CHALLENGING TIMES, I THINK ARE GONNA BE THE ONES THAT, UH, ARE GONNA BE EVERLASTING. AND SO I THINK ALL OF YOU, UH, FOR THAT, I, I LEARNED A LOT FROM EACH AND ONE, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU I REALLY HAVE. UM, BUT I'D LIKE TO JUST HIGHLIGHT TWO PEOPLE HERE AT THE END. AND, UH, THE FIRST ONE IS IN FACT, BRENT, UH, YOU KNOW, AS A FORMER VICE CHAIR, I CAN CLEARLY STATE THAT PROBABLY THE TOUGHEST CHAIR IN THIS CHAMBER IS THAT ONE. UH, AND, AND I KNOW THAT IN ORDER FOR THIS CHAIR TO HAVE ANY SUCCESS AT ALL, UH, THE SECRET IS THAT YOU NEED SOMEONE FEARLESS IN THAT CHAIR. AND, AND YOU WERE CLEARLY THAT, UH, YOU DIDN'T BLINK A SINGLE TIME, BRENT, AND THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR THAT, UH, BECAUSE I KNOW HOW EXTRAORDINARILY DIFFICULT IT IS TO, UH, TO INDUCE SOME OF THESE CHANGES TO HAPPEN. AND IT WAS INCREDIBLY VALUABLE TO HAVE YOU THERE ALONGSIDE AS A PARTNER. SO I THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND, AND LASTLY, OF COURSE, IT HAS TO BE DR. RE UH, WHO OF ALL THE ROMANIANS I KNOW HAS TO BE THE FUNNIEST ONE. . UH, IN FACT, WE WERE EXCHANGING TEXTS THIS WEEK AND I WAS ON A PLANE AND SHE HAD ME LAUGHING LIKE A LUNATIC. I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA GET THROWN OFF THE PLANE. UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU. UH, I, I THINK AFTER ALL THESE YEARS OF THE THOUSANDS OF TEXTS AND, UH, THE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF CASES, I THINK PROBABLY I KNOW ABOUT 2% OF WHAT YOU KNOW, UH, AND SO YOU HAVE TAUGHT ME A LOT ABOUT THE WAY THINGS ARE, THE WAY THINGS THEY SHOULD BE AND HOW TO, HOW TO MAKE THEM HAPPEN. AND, AND I APPRECIATE YOU FOR THAT AND I THINK, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING FRIENDS FOR A VERY LONG TIME. AND WITH THAT, I, I THINK ALL OF YOU, I REALLY DO. AND LET'S GO HAVE SOME FUN. IT'S EXACTLY FIVE O'CLOCK OUR AND OUR MEETINGS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.