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          [Landmark Commission Meeting on October 6, 2025]
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          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          WELCOME TO THE, UM, PUBLIC MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK MISSION. 
          IT IS OCTOBER 6TH, 9 25. 
          IT'S 1 0 2 AND UM, I'M FOLLOWING WITH MEETING THROUGH ORDER. 
          I'M CHAIR OF MCC FAMILY. 
          HAVE MS.  SERVING TODAY AS OUR VICE CHAIR AND THAT EXP YOUELL, THEY HAVE A FORUM OF COMMISSIONERS OF HERE AND OUR ONLINE COMMISSIONERS. 
          SO, UH, , , UH, MR. TAYLOR, WERE YOU STRETCHING OR TELLING ME? HE CAN'T HEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          , HE WAS STRETCHING. 
          GOOD. 
          DISTRICT TWO COMMISSIONERS. 
          MONTGOMERY? UH, THREE. 
          I'M HERE. 
          DISTRICT THREE. 
          COMMISSIONER FOGLEMAN PRESENT. 
          DISTRICT FOUR. 
          COMMISSIONER TAYLOR PRESENT. 
          DISTRICT FIVE COMMISSIONER. 
          A PRESENT DISTRICT SIX COMMISSIONER HENA HOSA WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY. 
          DISTRICT, DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER FELLOW WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY. 
          DISTRICT NINE. 
          COMMISSIONER RENO. 
          PRESENT. 
          DISTRICT 11. 
          COMMISSIONER. 
          EIGHTH DISTRICT 12. 
          COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERG. 
          PRESENT. 
          DISTRICT 13. 
          COMMISSIONER POSI PRESENT. 
          DISTRICT 14. 
          COMMISSIONER HARPER PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. 
          BOTH. 
          COMMISSIONER RES AND COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS PRESENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          11. 
          UH, ARE WE DOING TO TASK COMING THE  TODAY? SURE. 
          GO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, NO , YOU HAVE TO STAY ALERT AND DO THEM AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. 
          UH, BEFORE WE, WE ARRANGE OUR AGENDA, AS THEY ALWAYS DO. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE MOVE. 
          DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 10 TO CONSENT. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT IS PREPARING A NEW REQUEST FOR US TO SEE NEXT MONTH OR SO THAT WILL REPLACE THIS ONE. 
          THEREFORE, WE DO NOT NEED TO GO OVER THE DETAILS OF THAT. 
          WE WILL REVIEW THAT ONE WHEN WE AVAILABLE. 
          SO I DO MOVE THAT WE MOVE DISCUSSION ITEM TO NUMBER 10 TO CONSENT AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU MR. HARPER FOR A SECOND. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES. 
          YES, YES. 
          ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, THEN IT'S NOW TIME FOR OUR VICES CHAIR TO , UH, MAKE MOTIONS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH NOW INCLUDES G 10. 
          AND THEN ON REARRANGING OUR AGENDA. 
          FIRST WE ASK, UM, WE HAVE NO . 
          UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE ALL OF THE CONSENT ITEMS THROUGH, UH, YEAH, C ONE THROUGH C  THAT'S ALSO ADDED TO, WE WILL NOT, WE WON'T BE FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER. 
          . 
          ALL THOSE YOUR FAVOR DO SAY YES. 
          YES. 
          ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. 
          SO ITEMS C ONE QC 10 AND D 10 HAVE, UM, IN RULE TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          NOW WE WILL NEED TO ARRANGE OUR REMAINING AGENDA ITEMS, WHICH ARE CR 1 23 AND 3 1 29, GIVING, UM, PRIORITY AT THE BEGINNING TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE SIGNED TO SPEAK. 
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UH, I MOVE THAT WE REARRANGED , UM, ANOTHER C-R-I-C-C-R-P FIRST. 
          THE SECOND WILL BE B THREE. 
          THERE WILL BE TWO FIVE, AND THEN THE REST WILL MOVE THE ORDER THAT THE, I APOLOGIZE. 
          YES. 
          UM, PLEASE. 
          1 42 3 1 2 1 2 2 4 6 7. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, MOTION MEANS THAT THE ORDER OF THE TODAY'S AGENDA WOULD BEEN, UH,  BE NUMBER TWO THEN. 
          FIRST, NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO. 
          ONE NUMBER TWO. 
          3 4 3. 
          FIVE, THREE. 
          SEVEN. 
          THREE. 
          NINE, NINE. 
          THIS WAS CORRECT. 
          C TWO. 
          I HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          C TWO C ONE, C3 C, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, THEN 7, 8, 9, AND THEN SIX LAST. 
          OKAY. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? YES. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HARPER FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS REORGANIZATION OF OUR AGENDA, PLEASE SAY YES. 
          YEAH. 
          ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THEN WE ARE GOOD TO GO BEGINNING WITH CR TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          STAFF. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THIS IS DR. 
          LOBA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF COURTESY REVIEW ITEM CR TWO. 
          THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 2228 EUGENE STREET IN 
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QUEEN CITY, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER THREE . 
          THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 3 14. 
          UH, THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW TO INSTRUCT A NEW RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT BLOCK WITH A REAR TACH TO CALL GARAGE. 
          THAT RECOMMENDATION, SINCE THIS A COURTESY REVIEW, YOUR ACTION IS REQUIRED SO THAT THE, THAT IN REQUEST SHOULD INSTRUCT A NEW REMAIN, WHETHER THE BUILDING ON A VACANT BLOCK WITH A REAR DETACHED TO FAR LODGE BE CONCEPTUALLY, CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN, AS LONG AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLAN, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FROM LANDMARK COMMISSION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND WE HAVE MR. WILLIAMS, DEAR YES. 
          TO DISCUSS THIS PRIVATE PURPOSE. 
          UM, IF YOU COULD BEGIN BY GIVING SHANA AND ADDRESS PLEASE. 
          TRACY WILLIAMS. MAD 1829 WILLIAMS. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I DON'T HAVE TO MAKE YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THIS A COURTESY REVIEW, BUT THERE'D BE NO POINT IN NOT TELLING US THE TRUTH BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER HERE TO MAKE SURE YOUR, YOUR PROJECT IS READY TO GET APPROVAL LATER. 
          SO, UH, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES NOW TO TELL US WHAT WE THINK WE MIGHT NEED TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. 
          WELL, THANK YOU JUAN TO, UM, THE COMMISSIONER FOR BEING HERE TODAY. 
          MY, MY NAME IS TRACY WILLIAMS. I'M DIRECTOR OF RIVER ESTATE FOR DALLAS CITY HOMES FOR A 30 5-YEAR-OLD NON . 
          WE'VE BEEN ACTIVE IN PHOENIX CITY FOR PART A TIME NOW WITH  ORGANIZING. 
          UH, WE ARE HERE BEFORE COMMISSION, UH, THIS SPRING 55 FOR  CA FOR STORY AND A HALF SAME STREET. 
          WE ARE NOW BACK FOR THIS, UM, TWO LOTS DOWN. 
          WE ACQUIRED ANOTHER LOT THIS TIME. 
          WE ARE BUILDING A SINGLE THING RESIDENCE. 
          UM, AS YOU COMPEL FROM BEING A FOOD PREVIOUSLY, WE BELIEVE THAT THE ELEVATIONS PUT BEFORE WE SHARED GENERALLY IN LINE AS THEY, THEY FIT THINGS, THE HEIGHT. 
          UM, IT'S REALLY OUR CHANCE OF PERFECTING THE SINGLE FAMILY MODEL WITHIN THIS DISTRICT, THE ONE THAT, UH, WE OPPORTUNITY FUTURE. 
          SO VERY, UH, INTERESTED FEEDBACK. 
          WE DO HAVE A REVIVED PHONE. 
          IT'S SMART. 
          IT, IT CAN SOUND THAT MIGHT . 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          UH, SO, UH, THOMAS, THE QUESTION FROM, I THINK WE'LL BREAK, SHE DID, UH,  SUBMISSION. 
          BASICALLY A LOT OF BEAUTIFUL THINGS THAT WERE HAPPENING WITH. 
          THERE WAS VERY MINOR SUGGESTIONS, EMPLOYEE  ASK. 
          SO STAND. 
          I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ON THE SLOPE MADE STEEP THAN , FOR INSTANCE, IS THAT I THE REASON NOW THAT YOU  YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE IN HOW YOU, UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          I THINK IT'S A, IT'S THE STEEP ONE OF THE . 
          SO, AND BOTH THE COPS SLOW THESE OR THE COPS ACCEPT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT , I KNOW THEY KIND OF MATCH, BUT  NECESSARY FOR . 
          YEAH. 
          I GOT, UH, ON THE WINDOWS, UH, COMMISSIONER YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE GANG OF THREE, UM, WANTING TO GET, UH, THAT, UH, THAT WOOD IN WINDOWS HERE. 
          TWO. 
          UM, WHAT ABOUT THE TWO WINDOWS THAT ARE SO CLOSE TOGETHER THAT THEY'RE SEEMINGLY WANTS TO BE TOGETHER WITH THE, THE SAME SORT OF DIMENSIONS SEPARATING, 
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UH, THOSE TWO BUT MAKING IT MAYBE A GANG OF TWO? SO IF WE HAVE A GANG OF THREE WITH THE SEPARATION THAT COMMISSIONER IS TALKING ABOUT, MAYBE SEEING THAT AS A GANGA TWO WITH THE SAME SORT OF MILLENNIUM UH, SEPARATION WHEN THEY . 
          'CAUSE IT'S JUST, IT'S TWO SEPARATE WINDOWS, BUT THEY'RE JUST TOO CLOSE TOGETHER. 
          UH, MY THOUGHTS ARE THAT, UM, QUESTION JUST FOR STAFF, I GUESS MAYBE ON THE HEIGHT OF THE BRICK, UH, COLUMN, UH, THAT FRONT COLUMN IS THAT TYPICAL, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD OF HAVING THE HEIGHT THAT THAT LEVEL, BECAUSE I KNOW IN A LOT OF, UM, THERE'S NOT IN PARKING, BUT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF 'EM, YOU WOULD SEE 'EM MORE CLOSER TO THE ELEVATION OF THE WINDOW SERIAL AROUND IN THAT AREA. 
          SO THAT SEEMS A LITTLE HIGH, BUT I JUST WONDER MAYBE IT'S A CHARACTERISTIC AS A MAYBE I, I WOULDN'T THINK THOUGH, BUT MAYBE IT'S, IT SEEMS A LITTLE HIGH, RIGHT? YEAH, SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. 
          UH, THE HEIGHT OF THAT BRICK ON THOSE COLUMNS SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE HIGH AND THAT THOSE TWO SEPARATE WINDOWS THAT ARE SEEMINGLY WANT TO BE AGAIN, AND I CONCUR WITH, UH, WITH, I SAID ABOUT THE, UH, THE DISTANCE OF THOSE MOLD AS WELL. 
          ON THE FRONT PORCH, YOU COULD USE A, A BEAM EXPRESSION OR A A, A FASCIA BOARD ABOVE THE COLUMNS THAT IT GOES RIGHT INTO THE ROOF. 
          THERE SHOULD BE A, A BEAM BETWEEN THERE AND ON THE SIDE. 
          EL COULD YOU SHOW ME THE SIDE ELEVATIONS PLEASE? AND IT APPEARS THEY COULD USE SOME WINDOWS CLOSER TO THE FRONT OR, YEAH, THE SIDE ELEVATION, THE NORTH SIDE ELEVATION PARTICULARLY, IT'S GOT A BIG BLANK WALL, WHICH BE POSSIBLY PUT A COUPLE OF WINDOWS THERE TO BALANCE OFF THAT, THAT BLANK WALL. 
          THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          WHICH AREA AGAIN? WELL, THE NORTH SIDE ELEVATION TOWARD THE FRONT WHERE THE LITTLE HAND IS ON THE, THERE'S A BIG BLANK SPACE THERE AND YOU NEED SOME KIND OF WINDOW, SOME KIND OF BREAK THERE AT THE FRONT ON THE SIDE. 
          WHAT'S, WHAT IS IN THOSE ROOM SIR? THAT I MIGHT LEAVE A LITTLE, UM, THAT ROOM RIGHT THERE. 
          YOU DID PUT THE TWO UH, WINDOWS ON THERE. 
          THERE'S A BED WALL, BUT IT CERTAINLY MAKES THAT WORK. 
          OH, THANKS. 
          ANYTHING HELP ON THIS ONE? YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO COM UM, FURTHER COMMENT ON TWO ISSUES I'M TALKING ABOUT, UH, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE GANG OF WINDOWS, NOTICING THAT YOU ALSO HAVE A GANG OF TWO ON THE SIDE ELEVATIONS. 
          I WOULD JUST MAKE SURE THAT DETAIL THAT'S FOLLOWED WITH THE, THE, THE G OF EVEN THE, THE CENTER MO IS FOLLOWED THROUGH ON CONTINUOUS. 
          I, I I FIGURED THAT'D BE RHETORICAL SAYING THAT, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE CARRIED THAT SAME THING. 
          AND ON THE COLUMNS, UH, WE DO HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE HEIGHT OF THE COLUMNS. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO REVISIT THE, THE WIDTH OF THE COLUMNS. 
          WELL, THEY SEEM PRETTY SKINNY. 
          MAYBE THE, THE HEIGHT OF THEM IS ACCENTUATING THAT THEY'RE A LITTLE SKINNY, BUT THEY MAY BE A LITTLE SKINNY, UH, AS WELL AS A LITTLE HEIGHT. 
          SO THAT, LOOK AT THAT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTS TO COMMENT ON OR THAT THEY CAN BETTER PREPARE THEIR FINAL COMMISSION FOR? I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE APP. 
          DO THE GOOD JOB. 
          THESE ARE LITTLE DETAILS THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BEATING YOU UP OR THIS TWEAKING YOU, BUT YOU DID A VERY GOOD JOB, BUT IT'S STILL GOOD. 
          IT'S ALWAYS KIND WHEN WE AVOID BEATING THE A , WE HAVE VERY FEW NEGATIVE THINGS TO SAY. 
          SO THAT WAS PRETTY GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, ANYBODY. 
          OKAY, WELL THEN THE NEXT STEP WE LOOK FORWARD TO COMING BACK TO UM, GET YOUR A ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND I NEED TO BEGIN TALKING IN YOUR HOUSE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          AND I MUST NOTE FOR COMMISSIONERS THERE IS NO C3 FOR SOME REASON WE . 
          I THINK HE HAS A QUESTION. 
          YEAH, I MAYBE I HAVE TO TALK TO DR. DANIEL. 
          WE THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, SO NEXT STEP IS C TWO AND I HAVE TO, I MEAN C ONE AND I HAVE TO REFUSE FOR THAT. 
          SO THERE'S NO ONE TO SPEAK HERE ON IT, BUT I'LL BE OUTSIDE. 
          OKAY, 
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YOU SEE THAT? DON'T SEE ANYTHING. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER ONE FOR 46 AND 16 AVENUE IN THE BEACH. 
          SUBURBAN DISTRICT, HISTORIC DISTRICT, COA TWO FIVE DASH 3 0 1. 
          UH, I'M MONTH WATSON. 
          THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW FOR A, A RENOVATION OF AN EXISTING CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. 
          I'LL GO AHEAD. 
          DIDN'T HEAR IT IN A BRIEFING. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE LOCATION ON  AVENUE. 
          UM, I'M SORRY, SHE DID NOT PUT, UM, OKAY. 
          THIS IS HOW THE HOUSE FOOT NOW, IT'S  LOTS OF CODE, UH, ISSUES AND, UM, WATERS UP RESIDENT. 
          SO, UM, OUR COMMUNITY TION  JUST TO GET, UH, THE WORK DONE ON THIS ACCOUNT. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE THE CURRENT NEWEST OWNER IS SUBMITTING PLAN FOR THIS . 
          SO LET'S START HERE. 
          THE FRONT ONE, THE SIDE, UM, HAS, WELL THIS, UH, I COULD, WE CAN READ A COURTESY REVIEW. 
          UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS COURTESY REVIEW. 
          NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT A REQUEST TO REPAIR THE SIDE RENOVATIONS AND STYLE CHANGES BE CONCEPTUALLY DENIED WITHOUT PURPOSES WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLAN, ELEVATIONS WOUND AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED. 
          , THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE RELATED TO DO IT. 
          UM, WE USUALLY WILL SAY APPROVED THAT, THAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS COURT. 
          UM, HOWEVER, IN THIS CASE, IT'S UM, THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT, THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING. 
          THEFT IS DENIAL. 
          SO , UH, DO YOU NEED TO SEE YOU IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK ? UH, SO WHILE THEY'RE READING THIS TASK FORCE, IF YOU COULD TURN YOUR CAMERA ON PLEASE. 
          TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT A REQUEST TO REPAIR FACADE RENOVATION AND STYLE CHANGES BE CONCEPTUALLY DENIED WITHOUT THE PREJUDICE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THIS TASK FORCE RECOGNIZES THAT THIS STRUCTURE HAS BEEN NEGLECTED FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND IS IN SERIOUS DISREPAIR AND ARE GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF REHAB OF THE STRUCTURE WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE FRONT FACADE IS REBUILT TO THE ORIGINAL CONDITION OF A SECOND 
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STORY PORCH. 
          WE DO NOT SUPPORT GERMAN SCHMEAR. 
          I PRONOUNCE THAT NO PAINTING OF THIS UNIQUE AND RARE BRICK, RARE RED BRICK WINDOWS SHOULD REMAIN 1 0 1 WITH THE APPROPRIATE SOLID TO AVOID, UH, RASH BRICK RATIO. 
          GREAT RATIO, RIGHT? ADDED AN IN ON ME, UH, APPROPRIATE SOLID VOID RATIO. 
          THE PROPOSED ADDITION AND MUST BE WOOD ON WOOD WITHOUT CLADDING. 
          THE PLANS SHOW INCONSISTENT WINDOWS. 
          THE WINDOW SURVEY SHOULD SHOW THE EXACT MEASUREMENTS OF EACH WINDOW. 
          IF RAISING THE ROOF ROOF, THE PITCH MUST REMAIN THE SAME. 
          THE PROPOSED VENTS MUST HAVE VERTICALS. 
          WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT CHECK WITH BUILDING INSPECTION REGARDING THE LOCK COVERAGE WOULD ASK THE THE APPLICANT, UH, MR CAN YOU, CAN YOU PLEASE, UH, AT THE TOP VISIBLE ON CABINET, OH, SORRY, MY APOLOGIES. 
          I, I'M UNABLE TO, I'M IN THE OFFICE AND I'M UNABLE TO, UH, UM, SHARE MY, UH, OR TURN ON MY CAMERA WHILE IN THE OFFICE'S JUST COMPANY POLICY. 
          MY APOLOGIES. 
          OKAY, SO THE, I MEAN, THE ONLY THING YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOUR FEEDBACK ON THIS . 
          YEAH, I APOLOGIZE. 
          YOU UNDERSTAND THOSE, UH, THOSE CONDITIONS. 
          WE'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU THOUGH. 
          I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU. 
          OH, OH, OKAY. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          UM, WOULD I BE ABLE TO SAY JUST ONE PIECE? I APOLOGIZE. 
          WHAT WAS THAT? WOULD I BE ABLE TO STATE ONE PIECE, UH, PRIOR TO, UH, MAKING YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS? UH, SO THE, THE MAIN THE MAIN, UH, ISSUE WITH THE STRUCTURE IS THE FRONT PORCH AS IS, IS COLLAPSED AND THE PILLARS ARE PULLING AWAY FROM THE MAIN STRUCTURE BY STATE LAW. 
          YEAH, SORRY, GO AHEAD. 
          SORRY. 
          MY APOLOGIES. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU MIGHT TRY TO GO OUTSIDE TO HEAR A CAR AND FOLLOWS, UH, POTENTIALLY, UM, TAKE HIS CASE AT THAT POINT FROM YOU TIME. 
          UH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          I, NO, YEAH, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO LEAVE. 
          UH, NO, YOU, YOU, YOU CAN GO AHEAD. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE BUILDING'S IN BACK CONDITION, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE FRONT PORCH AS IT IS, MAY NEED TO BE DISMANTLED AND REBUILT. 
          HOWEVER, YOU CANNOT CHANGE THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE BUILDING. 
          THIS IS ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE OF A RARE TWO STORY VERY PORCH, WHICH IS REALLY, IT'S, IT'S A VERY SPECIAL PROPERTY IN MY OPINION. 
          AND IF IT NEEDS TO BE DISMANTLED AND REBUILD, IT NEEDS TO GO BACK EXACTLY LIKE IT IS, INCLUDING THE, THE SIDE, THE LITTLE, LITTLE SIDE PORCH. 
          UM, THAT'S ON THE, CAN YOU SHOW THE ORIGINAL? CAN YOU SHOW THE ORIGINAL, UM, FRONT OF THE BUILDING, PLEASE? IT REALLY IS AN UNUSUAL AND VERY SPECIAL BUILDING, TWO STORY PORCHES WITH THE SQUAT COLUMNS, THE LITTLE SIDE DOOR WITH THE LITTLE PORCH OVER THE TOP. 
          SO I, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING AND YOU WANT IT TO CHANGE THE STYLE TO LOOK LIKE MAYBE LIKE ITALIANATE. 
          THIS DISTRICT IS VERY, UH, ESTABLISHED, PROMINENT FRONT PORCH DISTRICT, PROMINENT FRONT PORCH. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, THIS PORCH HAS BEEN ENCLOSED AT SOME POINT. 
          YOU HAVE THE OPTION, SINCE IT'S ENCLOSED TO LEAVE IT ENCLOSED, BUT I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND OPENING THAT FRONT PORCH UP FOR A SECOND FLOOR BALCONY. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE A RAILING ACROSS THE TOP. 
          IT'S, IT WOULD BE AN EXEMPLARY PROPERTY. 
          YOU ALSO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE BRICK NOT MATCHING. 
          CAN YOU SHOW THE SIDE TO SIDE WITH THE BRICK PLEASE? CAN WE LOOK AT THE, LOOK AT THE SIDE TO SIDE WITH THE BRICK? IT APPEARS THAT THE BRICK COLOR IS 
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ACTUALLY CLOSER THAN IT MAY APPEAR, RIGHT? THAT'S GOOD. 
          UH, UH, THE PROBLEM I SEE IS THAT THE MORTAR JOINTS ARE STARK WHITE AND THE MORTAR JOINTS IN THE ORIGINAL BRICK ARE EITHER BROWN OR GRAY OR JUST GOT DISCOLORED OVER TIME. 
          BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THE MORTAR JOINTS ARE VERY PLIGHT. 
          I, I THINK IF THE MOTOR JOINTS WERE DARKENED, UM, THE BRICK WOULD BE MUCH CLOSER IN COLOR, BUT WE DO NOT ALLOW PAINTING BRICK AND I WOULD NOT SUPPORT PAINTING OR WITH THE GERMAN SCHMEAR, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS SOME KIND OF A STUCCO OR WHATEVER. 
          SO WE NEED TO KEEP THE BRICK AS IT IS AND TRY TO CLEAN UP AND MAKE THE BRICKS MATCH. 
          BUT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A VERY SPECIAL AND UNIQUE BUILDING, AND IT IS NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE THE BUILDING AND CHANGE THE STYLE BY TAKING THE FRONT PORCH OFF AND  THE  AND THE WINDOWS ALL NEED TO BE WOOD WINDOWS TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL. 
          I THINK THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS THAT THE NEW ADDITION DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH WINDOWS. 
          YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE ADEQUATE WINDOWS ON THE BACK ADDITION TO MAKE IT ALL FIT IN. 
          I THINK THAT'S MY MAJOR CONCERNS, UM, THAT THAT'S JUST FOR NOTHING. 
          YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MENTION THE CONVICTIONS ON THE WINDOWS, UH, PARTICULARLY ON THE DOWN LEVEL IN THEIR PROPORTION, UM, THE WAY THAT THEY'RE SHOWN IN THE ELEVATION, THERE'RE, THEY'RE QUITE DIFFERENT. 
          MAYBE IT'S THE, THE SASHES AND THE INDIVIDUAL PIECES OF GLASS, UH, HORIZONTAL. 
          THEY SHOULD REMAIN VERTICAL LIKE THE ONES UP ABOVE. 
          SO THOSE, UM, I KNOW LIKE SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE PROPOSED ON THE GROUND LEVEL DOUBLE WIDE, UM, I WOULD HOPE THAT, UH, AND  WOULD MATCH EVERYONE'S UPSTAIRS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          IT WAS ALSO HARD TO TELL ON THE, IT LOOKS LIKE PERHAPS IT'S A GREEN PORCH ON THE BACK. 
          UM, I, I CAN'T TELL IF THOSE WERE ACTUALLY PIECES OF GLASS, IF THAT IS BACK SCREAMING, THAT THAT PART'S LIKE THE, UH, LIKE THE WINDOWS AND INSIDE, UM, MAYBE JUST TO BE ABLE TO TELL THAT'S IN FACT THE SCREEN THAT THOSE LOGGED AND, UM, IT CLEAR IN BACK WINDOW SAYING THAT WRAPS UP. 
          I'LL JUST, UH, GO UP ON, I SUPPORT COMMISSIONER ANDERSON'S CONCERNS, UH, VERY MUCH SO. 
          AND, UH, WE CAN'T BE CHANGING THIS FABRIC SUCH IT'S BEEN DISPLAYED AND WE'RE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT I'M SEEING TODAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I GUESS JUST FINALLY, IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER, I, I REALIZE THAT THE CONSTANT IMPLICATIONS OF TRYING TO REPAIR THE FRONT PORCH, BUT I BELIEVE ALONG WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON THAT IT'S, IT'S VITAL TO THE CHARACTER OF THIS PARTICULAR RESIDENCE. 
          UM, IT IS A, CERTAINLY A CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENT. 
          UM, PROBABLY ONE OF THE GREATEST ONES ON THE, ON THE FRONT ELEVATION, THE SHAPE  COLUMNS. 
          GREAT. 
          LET THAT WRAPS UP. 
          UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON  D ONE ? ALRIGHTY THEN LET US MOVE ON TO WHAT WE'LL GO WONDERFULLY D ONE. 
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WHAT I THANK FOR COMING. 
          THANK, THANK YOU FOR COMING, SIR. 
          I'M SORRY, I, I COULDN'T HEAR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          G ONE IS LOCATED AT 5 0 0 3 WOOD STREET IN THE MONTHLY PLACE COURT DISTRICT COA 25 DASH 3 0 5. 
          I MUST LOT OF PRESENTING. 
          THE REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO EXTEND AND REMOVE A RETAINING WALL CONCRETE PAD AND WATERFALL STEP TO INSTALL A SIX FOOT BOARD ON BOARD WITH FENCE AND EIGHT FOOT MOTORIZED WITH GATE STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THAT A FIRST TO EXTEND AND REMOVE RETAINING WALL CONCRETE PAD AND WATERFALL STEP AND INSTALL A SIX FOOT BOARD ON BOARD WITH FENCE AND EIGHT FOOT MOTORIZED WOULD DATE BE APPROVED FOR THE DISTANCE THAT THE FENCE LOCATION BE A LITTLE HYPER LIKE, UH, THAT THE FENCE LOCATION NOT ENCLOSED LARGE EXISTING STREET AND WATERFALL DEPTH DEFINED IN EFFECT THAT THE PROPERTY HAS NO REAR GUARD AND HE NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON SIX FOOT. 
          THIS IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROPOSED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PREFERRED WORK SOLUTION SYSTEM  CRITERIA AND TO MEET THOSE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4.501  FOR NON PROCURE TRUCTURE AND THE SECRETARY INTERIOR STANDARD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO EXTEND AND REMOVE RETAINING WALL CONCRETE PAD AND WATERFALL STEPS BE DENIED WITHOUT PUNCHES. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          AND WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER WITH REVIS RIPLEY. 
          UH, IF YOU COULD PLEASE TURN ON YOUR CAMERA, BUT WE CAN FOLLOW STATE WILL BE . 
          YOU COULD PROCEED WHILE YOU'RE TAPING. 
          HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME? UH, WE'RE NOT HEARING YOU. 
          OUR MUTE IS MUTED STILL NOT MR. RIPLEY, CAN YOU HEAR US? CAN YOU WAVE THE, OKAY, YOU'RE NOT MUTED, BUT YOUR MIC IS NOT SHOWING, OR YOUR MIC MAY, MAY NOT BE TURNED ALL THE WAY UP. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I THINK IT'S TESTING OKAY. 
          ON MY SIDE. 
          IS THAT WORKING NOW? OKAY, NOW IT WORKS. 
          WHATEVER YOU DO. 
          THANKS SO MUCH. 
          YOU THINK FIVE YEARS AFTER COVID WE'D HAVE THIS DOWN, BUT WE'RE GETTING THERE. 
          WELL, THEY, THEY ALWAYS CHANGE UP ON US. 
          SO TO BEGIN, I NEED YOU TO SAY YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND, UH, SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THEY'RE GONNA TELL US THE DEAD. 
          YES, MY NAME IS TRAVIS RIPLEY AND I REPRESENT RIPLEY RENOVATIONS AND WE ARE THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR, UH, APPLYING FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 5,003 U WORTH STREET. 
          AND I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE ADD ADAPTATION SWEAR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, I SWEAR AND AFFIRM TO UPHOLD THE TRUTH. 
          SURE. 
          OKAY, SO LET, LET, LET US GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES TO TELL US WHAT YOU THINK WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE PROJECT. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          SO THERE WERE A FEW COMMENTS MADE IN TASK FORCE AND I ALSO SAW AND HEARD THE NOTES THAT YOU READ ABOUT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS, UM, THE, AS YOU NOTED, THE PROPERTY HAS ESSENTIALLY NO USABLE BACKYARD AND THE HOMEOWNERS UNDERSTAND THAT THE LETTER OF THE LAW FOR THE ORDINANCE DOES CLEARLY STATE THAT THE FENCE CANNOT BE PLACED IN FRONT OF ANY OF THE CORNER SIDE FACADE. 
          UM, WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S THOSE WATERFALL STEPS THERE. 
          UM, SO BASICALLY WHAT THEY'VE ASKED IS TO ASK FOR SOME LINE ON, ON THIS. 
          UH, WE'VE ALSO GONE THROUGH IN TAKING, UH, PHOTOS AND THE SURVEY OF THE OTHER CORNER PROPERTIES ALONG, UH, COLLETTE AND, AND THE OTHER CORNERS IN MUNGER PLACE. 
          THE MAJORITY OF THEM DO HAVE PORTIONS OF THEIR SIDE OR CORNER SIDE LOCK ENCLOSED THAT WOULD BE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH ORDINANCE. 
          SO WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE SOME LENCE THERE, MAINLY BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE KIDS AND A DOG AND WANNA BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME GREEN SPACE. 
          THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT HEARD, UH, MENTION. 
          ONE IS IN THE WATERFALL STEPS. 
          UH, THOSE DO NOT APPEAR TO BE ORIGINAL. 
          I HAVE THE SANDBORN MAPS AND CAN CONFIRM THAT THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING DID ORIGINALLY EXTEND AT LEAST AS OF 19 22, 1 TO THE, THE BACK CORNER OF THE MAIN MASSING OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          BUT THERE DIDN'T APPEAR TO BE ANYTHING THAT HAD SOME SORT OF PORTICO OR COVERED AWNING THAT MIGHT HAVE SUPPORTED THAT. 
          AND THE AGE OF THE CONCRETE DOES NOT SUGGEST THAT THOSE ORIGINAL, SO THE REQUEST OF THE HOMEOWNER WOULD BE THAT WE CAN 
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ENCLOSE AS MUCH TO THE SIDE YARD AS POSSIBLE AND THEY REALLY WANT THE FENCE TO COME OUT CLOSER TO THE SIDEWALK STAYING TWO FEET BACK PER THE ORDINANCE, UH, TO ENCLOSE THAT SPACE FOR THE YARD TO BE FUNCTIONAL, BOTH FOR PARKING AND FOR THE USE OF THEIR KIDS AND THEIR DOG. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOW, COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS I A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          UM, WELL JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT THE, THE FENCE PLACEMENT HERE F THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          I'M NOT AT THE LONG OF THE SIDEWALK. 
          CAN YOU CONFIRM, I'M ASKING THAT I ASK ONE MORE TIME. 
          UM, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM, UM, IF THE, UM, PROPOSED FENCE IS GOING AT THE PROPERTY LINE OR RIGHT AT THE BACK OF THE SIDEWALK, I WOULD ASSUME THAT YES. 
          YEAH, WE WOULD. 
          OUR, WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT IT RIGHT AT THE PROPERTY LINE JUST A COUPLE INCHES BACK TO ALLOW FOR CONSTRUCTION TOLERANCES AND THAT WILL EASILY COMPLY WITH THE TWO FOOT SETBACK REQUIRED BY THE THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYONE THAT, UH, YES. 
          THE, UM, THE, THE CELL THIS, THE ROLL STEP AND WALKWAY, DOES THAT WALKWAY LEAD ANYWHERE OR IS IT JUST, IS THERE A WALKWAY AT AT THE, THE STEPS? THERE IS, BUT IT, IT, IT GOES TO WHAT IS CLEARLY BASED ON THE SAND BOARD MAPS AND ALSO JUST THE QUALITY AND TYPE OF MATERIALS ON THE BACK THERE THAT, THAT LITTLE PORCH WAS AN ADDITION. 
          UH, AND, AND ALL THE STRUCTURE ON THE BACKSIDE HAS BEEN ADDED ON OVER THE YEARS AS WELL. 
          SO THERE AND ALL THE CONCRETE IN THAT AREA IS MUCH NEWER, UM, LOOKS LIKE WITHIN SOMEWHERE AROUND LIKE 30 YEARS OR SO. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT DOES LEAD TO SOMETHING BUT NOTHING ORIGINAL. 
          OKAY. 
          THE LANDMARK, THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T NECESSARILY ALLOW BY ITSELF THE FENCE TO GO IN FRONT OF THE CORNER SIDE FACADE, BUT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION HAS THE ABILITY TO MAKE AN ALLOWANCE IF WE SEE IT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          I'M FEELING THAT THE FENCE WHERE IT'S LOCATED IS A LITTLE FURTHER FORWARD THAN I'M COMFORTABLE WITH. 
          I WOULD PREFER TO BE AT THE BACKSIDE OF THAT BAY WINDOW, THE BAY PROJECTION, HOW DOES THAT BAY PROJECTION AND THE TREE WORK TOGETHER? I MEAN, IF WE WERE TO PUT THE, THE FENCE AT THE BACK OF THE REAR PROJECTION, DOES THAT RUN INTO THE TREE IN THE WAY? I I, I REALLY CAN'T SEE HOW THEY, DO YOU KNOW MR. RIPLEY AND ALL THE YES TREE IN THE YEAH, IT DOES. 
          UNFORTUNATELY IT'S NOT ON THE SURVEY, SO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S RIGHT IN LINE. 
          IF WE WERE TO DO A 90 DEGREE CORNER FROM THAT, THE REAR MILL PROJECTION THAT BUMP OUT, IT WOULD BE RIGHT IN LINE WITH THE CENTER OF THE TRUNK. 
          SO THAT WAS PART OF IT. 
          IF WE WERE TO DOG LEG AROUND THAT, UM, AND TRY TO AVOID THE ROOT STRUCTURE BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE THAT TREE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, IT, IT WOULD RISK DAMAGING THE TREE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF THE TREE IS IN THE WAY, THAT LOCATION THAT I SUGGESTED IS NOT THE BEST ANSWER, KIND OF LIKE WHERE THE, THE 29.4 LINE IS, THAT'S WHERE THE CORRECT, THAT'S WHERE I WAS PROPOSING TO PUT THE FENCE, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE TREE IS. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THAT, THAT BUMP OUT ON THE HOUSE THOUGH, IT IS TWO STORIES TALL, RIGHT? IT IS. 
          IT BUMPS OUT ALL THE WAY UP, SO IT WOULD SHOW ABOVE A, UH, HOW TALL IS THIS FENCE? OKAY. 
          SO IT WOULD STILL SHOW CLOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE? I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          I DO YOU HAVE A SANBORN MAP JUST SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THERE IS THERE? I'VE LOCATED ONE, IT'S SENT ONE TO MARK, BUT UH, TAKE LIKE, THERE'S NOT A DEFINITIVE ANSWER WHETHER OR NOT THOSE, UH, THOSE STEPS WOULD BE THERE BY LOOKING AT THE SANDBORN. 
          THERE'S, IT'S NOT DEFINITIVE THAT THEY'RE NOT THERE. 
          I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR. 
          UM, IF WE HAVE A SANDBORN MAT THAT WE COULD PROJECT, JUST SHOW THAT THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO OUR SELECT OUR DECISIONS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT REALLY CLEAR, UM, IF THE FRONT STEPS EXIST OR NOT AND KNOW THEY'RE THERE. 
          SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I'M USING THAT TO WAY TO RULE OUT THOSE STEPS AREN'T USED TO WORK BECAUSE UM, THEY VERY WELL STILL COULD BE, RIGHT? THE, THE STUFF DON'T SHOW ON THE MAP, SO IT'S NOT, SO WHEN I THINK IT WAS UH, SOMEWHAT, UM, UH, REFERRED TO THAT SINCE THEY'RE 
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NOT THERE, THAT'S, THAT THEY'RE, THEY POSSIBLY MIGHT NOT BE ORIGINAL. 
          SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S A WAY TO DETERMINE WHETHER THEY'RE ORIGINAL AND THAT COULD BE HISTORIC FABRIC THAT THAT'S THERE STILL. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT THEN I NEED A MOTION MEANTIME I'LL ASK THAT. 
          ARE ARE THE BEAUTIFUL STEPS WHICH WE ALL LOVE, ARE THOSE SPECIFICALLY PROTECTED AS A FEATURE IF EVERYONE HAS ALREADY HAS FOOD ? I WILL HAVE TO LOOK THAT I CAN'T BELIEVE SAY THAT BOOK. 
          IT DOESN'T SAY THAT THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY PROTECTED. 
          IT DOES SAY THAT ALL THOSE THAT THAT MUST BE A QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST DON'T MAKE THEM ON ANY OTHER THING. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          WELL JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PROTECTED DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN GO AWAY. 
          I THINK THE LANDMARK COMMISS BOOKS THAT A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND DETERMINES WHETHER THAT FEATURE OF PROPERTIES IMPORTANT OR NOT. 
          AND I THINK THEY YEAH, THAT IS TRUE. 
          I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY WHETHER THOSE SPECIFICALLY FALL ARE, ARE A BIT SMALLER AND CRAMMED RIGHT UP AGAINST THAT NEW DRIVEWAY. 
          THEY  HAD THEIR EFFECT, THIS, THIS BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPE. 
          ALL I LAID OVER, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION FOR APPLICANT. 
          YES, WE HAVE MAYOR, WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION YET, SO KEEP ON QUESTIONING. 
          UM, IS THIS EXERCISE INTENDED TO GET SOME SORT OF, UH, GRASS BACKYARD KIND OF, UH, AREA ESTABLISHED OR IS IT MORE TO UH, SECURITY PURPOSES FOR THE DRIVE GARAGE? BECAUSE WOULD YOU BE INCLINED TO, UH, ACCEPT IF, UM, THE, THE, THE FENCE WOULD BE LOCATED ON THE BACK BUMP THAT'S KIND OF FOLLOWING, UH, IF IT GOES PERPENDICULAR TOWARDS THE STREET, UM, IT'D BE BASICALLY SNUG IN THAT SIDEWALK SO YOU'D BE FREE FROM THE TREE MORE THAN WHAT YOU CURRENTLY ARE AND FREE FROM ANY DAMAGING ROOTS AREA AND THEN YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP IT RIGHT IN LINE WITH THAT WALK THAT'S ALREADY THERE AND UH, AND EVEN THOSE STEPS AS WELL. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE GIVING YOU SOME SECURITY TO THE BACK PART OF THE HOUSE, THE GARAGE AND THE BACK, BACK ENTRY. 
          UM, WOULD YOU GUYS CONSIDER ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE? RIGHT, YEAH, SO I ASKED MY CLIENTS THAT BECAUSE MY INTERPRETATION OF THE ORDINANCE IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, THAT IT NEEDS TO GO TO THAT, THAT CORNER. 
          UM, THEY SAID SINCE IT WON'T SECURE ANY OF THE YARD FOR THEIR KIDS AND THE DOG THAT THEY WOULD GO FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT THAT THEY WOULD NEED IT TO ENCLOSE SOME PART OF THAT YARD. 
          AND THEY WERE LOOKING AROUND THE OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE AREA SAYING WE WANT IT TO BE LIKE THAT HOUSE OR LIKE THIS HOUSE. 
          UM, ONE THING THEY DID MENTION AS SOME SORT OF MAYBE A COMPROMISE WOULD BE IF WE COULD KEEP THE LOCATION OF THE FENCE AS DRAWN ON THAT, UH, ON THAT LAYOUT IN BLUE, UM, THEY WOULD BE OPEN TO DOING SOME SORT OF METAL FENCING THAT WOULD BE SEE-THROUGH AND DOING PLANTINGS ALONG THAT. 
          SO AT LEAST IT'S NOT BLOCKING THAT VIEW, BUT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO ENCLOSE THE YARD AS PART OF THEIR KIND PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK MAYBE SOME COMMISSIONER WILL HAVE FURTHER . 
          WELL, A METAL FENCE IS WHAT WE NEED TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO DO. 
          YEAH, THEY DON'T ALWAYS DESIRE THAT. 
          I LIKE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION. 
          YOU SAID YOU'RE, YOU COULD CONSIDER A A WR IRON OR METAL FENCE. 
          WHERE WOULD THAT BE LOCATED ON THE RETURN AND GOING DOWN THE, THE SIDEWALK OR WHERE, WHERE EXACTLY ARE YOU THINKING OF THAT? YEAH, WELL THEIR, THEIR REQUEST IS TO DO BASICALLY AS LITTLE OF THE METAL FENCE AS POSSIBLE TO BE ABLE TO SATISFY, UM, THE REQUIREMENTS AS, AS PUT FORTH BY LANDMARK. 
          SO THE INTENT WOULD BE JUST THE RETURN, UM, PERPENDICULAR TO THE BUILDING AND THEN KEEPING THE EIGHT FOOT BOARD ON BOARD CEDAR FENCE ALONG THE ALLEY AND THE SIDEWALK SIDE. 
          SO THE ONLY PORTION THAT WOULD BE TRANSPARENT, UM, OR SEE THROUGH WOULD BE IN FRONT OF THE 
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TREE AND THEN THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL BUMP OUT ON THE STRUCTURE. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING THE RETURN FROM THE HOUSE TO THE SIDEWALK COULD BE A A, A A ROD IRON OR O OPEN AND THEN YOU'RE PROPOSING A SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE DOWN THE SIDEWALK, PROBABLY CONNECTED TO THE OTHER FENCE THEN? CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO BASICALLY ALLOWING SOME VISIBILITY IN BETWEEN THE, THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE AND INTO THE BACKYARD AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A GATE OF THE DRIVEWAY. 
          YEAH, SO THAT WOULD STILL BE, UH, PART OF THE EIGHT FOOT BOARD ON BOARD CEDAR FENCE. 
          UH, IT WOULD BE A, A SLIDING GATE ALONG THAT ELEVATION BE AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          BECAUSE I HEARD SIX FOOT, SOMEONE SAID, SOMEONE SAID SIX, IT'S EIGHT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          IT DOES CALL FOR SIX FOOT WITH AN EIGHT FOOT GATE. 
          SO THERE MAY BE, WE COULD BE CLARIFICATION THAT IS SIX AND THE BASE MR. RIPLEY, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU'RE PROPOSING A SIX FOOT FENCE AND AN EIGHT FOOT HIGH GATE? UM, NO, WE WOULD KEEP IT ALL THE SAME, SAME HEIGHT? LET ME DOUBLE CHECK. 
          UM, NO, YEAH, SO IN, IN THE PROPOSAL ON, IF YOU ACTUALLY SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT FROM THE BLUE LINE SECTION THERE, IT SAYS A SIX INCH OR BOARD CEDAR EIGHT FOOT TALL. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS FOR THE MAIN FENCE LINE TO LOOK LIKE WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE, THE GREAT OUT CEDAR TO THE, THE IMAGE LEFT OF THE GARAGE. 
          SO IT'D BE AN EIGHT FOOT BOARD ON BOARD CEDAR FENCE WITH AN EIGHT FOOT BOARD ON BOARD ROLLING GATE. 
          AND THEN IF, IF A METAL FENCE WAS ACCEPTABLE TO ALLOW THE POSITIONING AS WE HAVE IT PROPOSED, UM, FOR COST AND JUST TO AVAILABILITY REASONS, WE WOULD MOST LIKELY GO TO A SIX FOOT, UH, METAL FENCING PORTION FOR THAT COMPONENT. 
          WELL, THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S IN OUR DOCKET AND THAT'S KIND OF A GAME CHANGER BECAUSE AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE IN THIS LOCATION IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN A SIX FOOT FENCE. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          IS THERE, I THINK THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING WHAT, WHAT, WHEN THIS DANA WROTE THIS UP, IT SAID A SIX INCH BOARD ONBOARD SEAT AT EIGHT FEET TALL, ZERO, SIX FOOT TALL. 
          SO I THINK THERE WAS JUST A MISUNDERSTANDING FOR THE . 
          CAN I EXPAND WITH ANOTHER QUESTION ON THE SAME SUBJECT ON THE FENCE, THE, THEY WOULD BE INCLINED FOR A METAL FENCE JUST ON THE RETURN FROM THE HOUSE TO THE SIDEWALK. 
          WOULD THEY BE IN TURN MAYBE MAKING THAT WHOLE L PIECE, UH, METAL? SO THEN THE, THE, THE , THE WOOD FENCE WOULD JUST BE THE FRONT FRONT OF THE GARAGE TO THE STEPS AND THEN TO RETURN THAT SOLID FENCE ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE TO THE CORNER. 
          SO THEN YOU WOULD HAVE AN L PIECE THAT WOULD BE TRANSPARENT, UH, METAL FENCE AND THAT COULD CREATE, BASICALLY YOU'RE CREATING TWO YARDS, LIKE A FRONT YARD, A SIDE YARD, UH MM-HMM . 
          IN THAT GRASS AREA WITH THE METAL FIT. 
          UM, YEAH, SO THEY'VE, THEY'VE MENTIONED THAT'S NOT THEIR PREFERENCE, SO THEY WOULD BE A RIGHT. 
          YEAH, THEY, THEY SAID THAT'S NOT THEIR PREFERENCE. 
          WE'LL TAKE GUIDANCE AS NEEDED. 
          I'M SORRY, SAY IT AGAIN. 
          I WAS TALKING, GO AHEAD. 
          OH YEAH, MY APOLOGIES. 
          YEAH, SO THEIR INSTRUCTIONS TO ME WAS THAT WASN'T THEIR PREFERENCE. 
          THEY WANTED AS LITTLE METAL AS POSSIBLE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME MORE VISUAL AND ACTUAL SECURITY FOR THEIR FAMILY IN THE BACKYARD. 
          BUT UM, THEIR, THEIR TOP PRIORITY IS LOCATION TO TRY TO ENCLOSE THAT. 
          SO THEY WILL DO WHAT IS REQUIRED OR, UH, SUGGESTED BY, BY THE COMMISSION. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          IN MY EYES, IT SEEMS TO BE ANIMATE, UM, IN INCORRECT, BUT JUST, JUST LOOKING AT THIS AT THE MOMENT, IT SEEMS LIKE THE TRANSPARENT AREA ARE THE, THE, THE, OR YOU KNOW, THE ELK PIECE, UH, RUNNING ALONG THE SIDEWALK AND THEN RETURNING TO THE HOUSE, UH, COULD CREATE ONE OPEN YARD WITH THE METAL FENCE AND THAT WOULD LOOK ALMOST APPRO OPEN, APPROPRIATE TO, WITH A WOODEN OPAQUE AREA THAT RUNS ALONG THAT DRIVEWAY OR THAT WALL , UH, IN MY EYES, THAT SEEMS TO BE A COMPROMISE IN OUR SOLUTIONS AT THIS MOMENT. 
          AND I THINK THAT WOULD LOOK TO ME VISUALLY BETTER THAN JUST HAVING THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THAT SIDEWALK GOING ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY AND THE GATE, THAT WHOLE THING BEING OPAQUE FENCE AND JUST THAT, THAT RETURN BY ITSELF SEEMS TO LOOK MORE OUT OF PLACE THAN IT WOULD BE JUST AN L-SHAPED, UH, METAL FENCE. 
          THAT WOULD SEEM TO BE, WELL, I'VE GOT THAT FENCE OVER HERE, BUT I'M CREATING KIND OF A, A PROTECTED LITTLE AREA RIGHT HERE FOR DOGS AND KIDS AND TO ME THAT WOULD VISUALLY LOOK BETTER, BUT THAT'S JUST MY TASTE AT THE MOMENT. 
          I, I AGREE. 
          BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO COME BACK ION 
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TO THE PLANT PLANTING THAT THEY WERE DISCUSSING ON THE SIDE OF THE  . 
          UM, YES, AND I, AGAIN, I DON'T ANY . 
          I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ON THAT SAME NOTE. 
          IF WE WOULD GO WITH THE WR IRON FENCE, SHOULD THIS MARCUS, SHOULD THE STAFF, UM, APPROVE THE WR IRON FENCE OR THE, THE SIMPLE WR IRON FENCE THAT UNFORTUNATELY NO, BUT Y'ALL COULD, IF YOU WANTED TO SOMEHOW MAKE IT SOME KIND OF CONDITION THAT THEY COME BACK WITH A WR IRON FENCE THAT, AND THAT STAFF APPROVE IT AND CAN MAKE THAT PART OF YOUR DECISION. 
          NORMALLY IF YOU HAD JUST COME IN WITH A WR IRON FENCE, THAT WOULD STILL Y BUT WE CAN MAKE IT PART OF YOUR DECISION TODAY TO LET WE COULD DESCRIBE IT AND THAT WOULD BE PLAYING PICK OR WHATEVER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M JUST GONNA SUGGESTION TO, BECAUSE IN, IN MY MIND, SEEING UH, A SOLID WOOD FENCE NEXT TO A AN OPEN ONE JUST MAKES THE, THE FENCE, UH, FEEL ALMOST LIKE IT'S  FENCE THE HOUSE. 
          SO WHAT I WAS THINKING ESPECIALLY CONSIDER ALONG THE ENTIRE, UH, OF WHAT WE'RE, WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING ALONG RELATIVE TO THE ENTIRE ELEVATION OF, OF THAT LOCK IS IF THE, THE FENCE CAME FORWARD OF THE TREE YEP, THE TREE  AND THEN WAS OPEN FROM THAT, THAT THE HOUSE THAT WAY THE OUT THE, THE FENCE HERE  LIKE FEEL LIKE, UM, SO THEN IT PROVIDES SECURITY, IT PROVIDES LEGAL, UM, SECURITY AS WELL FOR THE . 
          IT STILL LETS THE HOME BE PRINCIPAL THROUGH THE OPEN PORTION, THAT AUTHORITY MAJORITY ON ELEVATION. 
          THE WOOD WOULD BE ACROSS THE, THOSE AT THE SIDEWALK, THE SIDE ELEVATION AND THEN RETURN THE, THE HOUSE SO THAT, THAT, THAT CAME ASIDE THE OTHER AND THE, OKAY, SO YOU TURN JUST A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO YOU MAKE A, YOU MAKE A WOOD CORNER AND YOU GO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DISTANCE AND THEN YEAH, I SEE I HAVE THAT. 
          NO, I HAVE, LET'S, LEMME MAKE A MOTION MY BE, UM, LET'S SEE. 
          REGARDING YOU TION ITEM ONE, UH, 5,003 COA 2 5 3 0 5, UH, UM, WE REQUEST TO EXTEND THE, TO UM, INSTALL A AN EIGHT FOOT TALL FENCE, UH, PARALLEL OR ON THE, THE PROPERTY LINE AND, AND THEN FORWARD OF THE OR, UH, ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UM, PARALLEL WITH THE, THE BUMP OUT ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE WAS SHOWN, THE  AND THE WIDTH CONTINUED 10 FEET. 
          THE, UH, PARALLEL WITH THE FRONT KNOW THE HOME AND FROM THAT POINT, LEAVING THE HOUSE WAS, UM,  THAT, UH, THE INSTALLATION OF THE, OF WHATEVER WAS PROPOSED, UH, DID NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE  PROPOSED, ALLOW THE CONSISTENT OF THE PRESENTATION, THE EXTENDED  4.501 C, THE NON-COMPUTER INSTRUCTOR INTERIOR STANDARD THREE SEVEN. 
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OKAY, GO AHEAD STEPHEN. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE DISCUSS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE DISCUSS THE . 
          WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR STAFF IF WE WOULD DECIDE THE PLAIN PICK THAT NECESSARY THAT THE FENCE OR JUST BE A PLAIN, IT WOULD HELP. 
          I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE A CONDITION THAT IT BE A 70% OPEN METAL FENCE PICKET FENCE, UH, FLAT ACROSS THE TOP. 
          YEAH. 
          AND LET'S STOP. 
          YEAH, THAT'S YES BECAUSE THEY'RE BEHIND . 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THE RIGHT BEFORE THIS DOCUMENTED MOTION FOR VOTE, I WILL FAVOR THIS MOTION TO SAY YES, YES, YES. 
          POSTED BUT SECOND, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          IT APPEARS THE MOTION HAS STILL PASSED. 
          SO, UM, MR. RIPLEY, I HOPE THAT WILL SERVE THE BE TO DEFINED AND YOU CAN THEN PROCEED WITH DOING THIS. 
          IF THEY WANNA COME BACK TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE, THEN WE'LL DO THAT AGAIN, BUT THEY CAN PROCEED WITH WHAT WE HAVE AUTHORIZED. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH BYEBYE MR. ? NO, THERE WAS ONLY ONE. 
          ALRIGHTY. 
          NEXT STEP IS D TWO ON . 
          DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER TWO IS LOCATED AT 43 15. 
          BE STREET IN THE BIG SUBURBAN  HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          DO A TWO FIVE DASH 3 1 3 MARK ING. 
          THE REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT THE NEW TWO-STORY MAIN STRUCTURE. 
          THAT RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION OF THE FOUNDATION HEIGHT, BE 18 INCHES PIPE FINISHED GRADE, AND MIMIC THE APPEAR GREEN FOUNDATION OF OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD TRUCTURE IMPLEMENT IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PROPOSED POSITION WILL ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. 
          SECTION FOUR, MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY SECTION CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4.50162 FOR NON TRUCTURE AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR LEGAL TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT TWO STORY MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS FOUNDATION MUST BE RAISED TO 18 TO 24 INCH FOUNDATION HEIGHT FROM FINISHED GRADE IN ORDER TO MIMIC THE CRAWL BASE OF THE TYPICAL P AND BEAM IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          RECOMMENDATION THAT THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR FORWARD, MOST WINDOWS ON RIGHT AND LEFT ELEVATIONS BE ALIGNED WITH EACH OTHER TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE. 
          RIGHT? THANK YOU. 
          AND WE DO HAVE THREE PAPERS THAT . 
          UM, THE FIRST IS, UH, CARTON . 
          ARE YOU THERE, MR. SHARING? SPRING? OKAY, MR. DI CARTON, I NEED YOU BEGIN. 
          I NEED YOU AWAY BY GIVING US THE NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOUR TIME TO, UH, TELL. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          AARON KARTEN 7 2 1 RIDGEWAY AND I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH. 
          OKAY SIR, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US ABOUT THIS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          SO THIS IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION HOME ON A VACANT LOT. 
          THIS IS FOR WALKER AND MELISSA DUKE. 
          UH, THEY'RE LONGTIME RESIDENTS OF PEAK SUBURBAN, UM, IN FACT JUST LIVE A COUPLE OF HOUSES DOWN THE SAME BLOCK. 
          UM, WE'VE GONE THROUGH, IF YOUR CALL WITH A CURSOR REVIEW APPLICATION A NUMBER OF MONTHS AGO NOW, BACK WITH A, UM, CA APPLICATION WITH, UM, LARGELY AN UNCHANGED DESIGN, JUST A LOT MORE, UM, THINGS SPECIFIED AS YOU'D EXPECT. 
          UM, THERE'S COMMENTS ALONG THE WAY IN THE CR AND SO FAR IN THE CA PROCESSES THAT WE'VE BEEN ACCOMMODATING, UM, BUT LARGELY VERY WELL RECEIVED. 
          VERY FEW COMMENTS, UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING. 
          SO WE'RE PROUD OF THAT AND I THINK A TESTAMENT TO THE DESIGN AND ALL THE EXCELLENT DECISIONS THAT THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE BEEN MAKING. 
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UM, SO THE LATEST, UH, REVIEW CYCLE, THE CA APPLICATION, THERE WAS JUST TWO COMMENTS FROM THE TASK FORCE. 
          SO THE FIRST ONE BEING THE FOUNDATION HEIGHT. 
          UM, THEY SUGGESTED THAT THE FOUNDATION HEIGHT COULD BE 18 INCHES ABOVE GRADE. 
          WE'RE CURRENTLY SHOWING 13 AND A HALF INCHES ABOVE GRADE, SO NOT TOO DISSIMILAR. 
          UM, BUT IT IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT IS SOMEWHAT COMMON IN THE DISTRICT. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, JUST ON THE SAME STREET, JUST A BLOCK UP, THESE ARE, UH, HOUSES THAT WE, WE QUICKLY FOUND THAT ARE, UH, SIMILAR FOUNDATION HEIGHTS TO WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          AND CURRENTLY THAT IS, UH, PREFERRED BY THE HOMEOWNER TO STAY WITH WHAT'S IN THE DESIGN DRAWINGS. 
          THE SECOND COMMENT, WHAT FROM THE TASK FORCE WAS, UH, THE WINDOW ALIGNMENT ON THE, UM, FRONT FOREMOST WINDOWS ON THE SIDE ELEVATIONS. 
          UH, AND WE HAVE ACTUALLY MADE A REVISION IN THE DRAWINGS, UM, AND SUBMITTED IT TO DALLAS NOW, UH, ON TIME. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT GOT PASSED ALONG TO YOU, BUT IT WASN'T SUBMITTED THAT WE REVISED THE RIGHT SIDE, RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION, UM, SUCH THAT THOSE WINDOWS DO ALIGN. 
          UM, AND SO THAT THAT ACCOMMODATES WHAT WE DISCUSSED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE, THE LEFT SIDE, UM, ELEVATION. 
          THE, THE TASK FORCE WAS UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, THERE'S STAIRS, THERE'S FLOOR PLAN CONSTRAINTS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY ALLOW US TO ALIGN WINDOWS ABOVE AND BELOW ON THESE FRONT WINDOWS. 
          AND THEY WERE LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. 
          THEY SAID, THEY SAID IT WAS REALLY THAT RIGHT SIDE. 
          I THINK THIS LEFT SIDE WITH ALL THE WINDOWS. 
          UM, AND REALLY THE, THESE WINDOWS HERE THAT YOU SEE ABOVE AND BELOW ARE A SIGNIFICANT OFFSET. 
          SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 18 INCHES. 
          IT'S NOT JUST A TWO OR THREE INCHES. 
          UM, AND SO IT'S, AND I WOULD SAY VERY INTENTIONAL TO HAVE THIS OFFSET, UM, IN THESE, UM, ON THAT, ON THAT ELEVATION. 
          THE, I THINK THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE MAIN COMMENTS AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO DIVE INTO QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE HAVE TWO OTHER SPEAKERS, BUT IS WALKER THROUGH ALABAMA? ELIZABETH, THIS IS WIFE. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW MR. MISSING KIDS HOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF SOMEONE MAKE SURE THAT MS. PERDUE IS ON AS A PARTICIPANT SO THAT WE GET THROUGH THIS. 
          THIS IS AARON SPEAKING. 
          THOSE ARE THE HOMEOWNERS. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY INTENDED TO NECESSARILY SAY ANYTHING, BUT, UM, PERHAPS IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM. 
          ALL RIGHTY. 
          WELL, IF WE HAVE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS THEN I'LL LEAVE THAT PLEASE. 
          MY THANK ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S OPEN TO COMMITMENT QUESTIONS. 
          UM, AARON, WHAT WAS THE FOUNDATION HEIGHT, UH, CURRENTLY ON THE PLANS? 13.5 INCHES. 
          13.5 18 INCHES IS KIND OF A STANDARD FOR A HOUSE OF THIS SIZE. 
          I THINK WE WOULD GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE PRESENCE ON THE STREET AND I, I'M FINE WITH, UH, THE WINDOWS. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS, BUT IT'D BE GREAT IF YOU COULD GIVE IT 18 INCHES BECAUSE THAT I THINK WOULD GIVE IT A BETTER PRESENCE FOR THIS LARGER HOUSE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU ELSE. 
          AND BY THE WAY, THIS IS A GREAT HOUSE AND I WANNA THANK THE DUKES FOR BUILDING AND STAYING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE'RE GLAD THEY'RE STAYING AROUND. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION REGARD, UH, UH, FIVE FOLKS OF THE, IN THE LIVING ROOM. 
          UH, NORMALLY YOU WOULD, SOMEONE REQUIRED TO BE TWO FEET TALLER THAN RESPECTFULLY BRING OTHER, UH, OBJECT 10 FEET OF IT, IT TO I'M, I'M SORRY, I'M HAVING TROUBLE HEARING. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THE MIC IS TURNED ON. 
          IT'S TURNED. 
          OKAY, I'LL, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN. 
          UH, A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. 
          UM, NORMALLY THE HEIGHT OF THE, THE CHINEY, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ONE FROM THE MAIN FIREPLACE IN THE LIVING ROOM, UH, BE ONLY TWO FEET TALLER THAN ANY OTHER OBSTRUCTION WITHIN 10 FEET OF IT. 
          CAN YOU CONFIRM THE HEIGHT? IT, IT FEELS YES, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND SO THAT, THAT'S A CONSEQUENCE OF, UH, THE PITCH OF THIS ROOF, WHICH IS, WHICH IS A NICE, UH, AS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 
          IT'S, IT'S A NICE, IT HAS A NICE PITCH ON IT. 
          YES, I, I AGREE WITH ALL OF THAT. 
          UM, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S A  TALLER, BUT, UM, IT, IT JUST SEEMS, I 
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JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM IT'S, IT'S AT OHIO. 
          UM, LET, LET'S ADDRESS AGAIN. 
          MR. DUKE. 
          DID YOU WISH TO SPEAK BECAUSE YOU ARE NOW, UM, CLASSIFIED AS ABLE TO  , WE'RE NOT HEARING FROM WALKER. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM MS, IF NOTHING FROM ? UH, CAN I, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? IF, IF IT IS MOTIONED THAT THE CONDITION IS, UH, THE FOUNDATION HEIGHT NEEDS TO BE RAISED FROM WHAT'S IN THE DRAWINGS, UH, JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE THAT, UM, EDIT AND SUBMIT IT BACK TO THE CITY PLANNER WITHOUT HAVING TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS, CORRECT? YEAH, WE MAKE IT THE COMMISSION THE CONDITION OF AN APPROVAL, THEN IT JUST HAS TO STAFF TAKE IT OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT SO WE CAN SAVE PEOPLE AHEAD TO THE FACT AND THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE  AND ALL THAT STUFF. 
          BUT FIRST WE NEED A MOTION FOR SOMEBODY. 
          I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION. 
          UM, YOU DID A, A SLIGHT REVISION THROUGH THE WINDOWS ON ONE SIDE, IS THAT CORRECT? IN THE DRAWINGS TODAY? YES. 
          ON THE RIGHT SIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION. 
          ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD. 
          IN THE CASE OF COA 25 0 0 3 1 3 43 15 JUNIOR STREET IN SUBURBAN EDITION, I MOVE THAT WE FOLLOW THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, WITH THE ADDITION, UH, THAT WE HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED OF THE CHANGE TO THE RIGHT SIDE WINDOWS AS SUBMITTED TODAY. 
          YOU HAVE A SECOND? UH, SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH. 
          ARE WE RAISING THE FOUNDATION 18 INCHES OR NOT? OKAY. 
          I I JUST, YEAH, THAT THE, THE, THE 18 INCH FOUNDATION IS PART OF STAFF FOR RECOMMENDATION. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THAT ALRIGHT, IN THAT CASE, TIME TO PROMPT FOR THE VOTE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES. 
          YES. 
          ANY OPPOSED? OKAY THEN IT APPEARS IT IS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 
          SO, UM, MR. CARTON AND WELCOME MELISSA, GO AHEAD AND START, START YOUR WORK AND I WORK WITH THE . 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          I JUST WANNA STATE THEY DID A BEAUTIFUL JOB AS AN EXEMPLARY, UM, SOME ARCHITECTURE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          OKAY, SO NEXT UP IS THE THREE CITY. 
          OKAY, GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN, THIS IS DR. 
          GAN PRESENTING DISCUSSION ITEM D THREE. 
          THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 26 0 9 DAF STREET IN QUEEN CITY, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER PRE DESIGNATION MORATORIUM. 
          THE CASE NUMBER IS COA 25 3 19. 
          THE REQUEST IS FOR PRE DESIGNATION TO GET OF APPROPRIATE, INSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A BRIEF DESIGNATION DEPICT OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VISIT NOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH JONES AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 18 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION. 
          ONE THAT PAIRED AND GAVE WINDOWS. 
          WE SEPARATED BY A MARION OR MARS. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, A WOOD TRIM PIECE WITH A MINIMUM ROOF OF FOUR INCHES WIDE. 
          TWO THAT PAINT COLORS FOR THE BODY AND TRIM WE SELECT FROM A HISTORIC PAINT COLOR COLLECTION. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, STERN WILLIAMS ARTS AND STYLE COLLECTION THREE THAT BE INSTALLED IN THE GABLE FOUR, THAT EXTERIOR LIGHT STYLE FIVE, THAT FRONT FOURTH COLUMN WITH BOTTOMS, REST ON GRADE, IN OTHER WORDS GROUND LEVEL AND DO A MINIMUM OF 14, 12 O'CLOCK AND SIX THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS WE ARE BRUSH FINISH. 
           IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PREFERRED WORK TO MEET STANDARD IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501, SUBSECTION B FIVE B, THE NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF  GUIDELINES FOR STUDYING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION. 
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NO QUORUM COMMENTS. 
          ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS ASCERTAINED THAT ALL FEEDBACK FROM THE LANDMARK COMMISSION IS INCLUDED IN THE FINAL DESIGN. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          AND WE HAVE A SPEAKER HERE, RODERICK WEST IF YOU MAKE SURE THAT THE MICROPHONE IS STILL ON. 
          OKAY, IF YOU COULD START WITH HER NAME, ADDRESS AND THOMAS TO TELL US THE TRUTH. 
          RODERICK WEST COULD SPEAK AS WELL. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADD IN THAT LAST PART, BUT YOU CAN IF YOU LIKE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO HERE TAKE THREE MINUTES AND UH, TELL US WHATEVER YOU NEED. 
          TELL US ABOUT THE POCKET. 
          UH, YOU HAVE LAST SESSION. 
          FIFTH. 
          SO SINCE THE LAST TIME I WAS ABLE TO COME UP HERE IN THE , THE SAME LIKE WAS LIKE NOTE UH, WITH THE SECOND LEVEL TWO , UH, THE DESIGN OF  DID HERE WAS ELIMINATED. 
          BRING IT DOWN TO THE LOWER PROFILE, UH, SURE THAT WAY. 
          WHAT KIND OF BASIS THAT THAT LEVEL IS. 
          FIVE. 
          UH, ALSO , WHICH BASIS FOR COLUMN AS WELL. 
          UH, BASICALLY, UH,  PROFILE OF THIS  FIRST WHEN THOSE ARE PRIMARY . 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          UH, QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER. 
          IF I RECALL. 
          I THINK WHEN WE HAD THE CONCEPTUAL REVIEW WE DISCUSSED IT, UH, UH, AND I'M GONNA DISCUSS IT AGAIN THAT THE ATTIC SPACE IN THIS, THE REAR AREA IS EXTRA SPACE IS NOT NEEDED. 
          AND I BELIEVE AT THAT TIME WE TALKED ABOUT A STOR AND A HALF WITH DORMERS COMING OUT. 
          UM, THAT WHOLE ADDED ROOF SECTION AT THE TOP IS THINGS WE DON'T NEED. 
          IT'S JUST ADDED BULK WITH THE STRUCTURE. 
          SO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS GOING BACK TO A STOR AND A HALF WITH DORMERS COMING OUT OF THE ROOF SO THAT WE GET RID OF THAT WHOLE ROOF STRUCTURE THAT CAN BE SEEN FROM THE STREET. 
          MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS IS NOT A STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE FOUND IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND PROBABLY NOT IN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD I KNOW OF. 
          AND SINCE WE ARE STARTING TO CREATE, UH, A VOCABULARY OF STRUCTURES THAT ARE  IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK THIS IS GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF A UP BUMP UP UNDER, UNDER STRUCTURE. 
          SO I I'M NOT SUPPORTING BUILDING AS DESIGN. 
          WELL I WOULD LIKE THIS POINT TO BE CONTEXT POINT THE BOTTOM, BUT , 
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SO YOU SEE THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER IS WHAT THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER. 
          BOTH HAVE THOSE POP UP TO THE SECOND TOP BACK THE HOUSE. 
          AND ALSO ON 35 UNDER YOU ALSO HAVE THAT SAME TYPE . 
          NONE OF THEM UTILIZED NORMALLY. 
          IT IS, UH, DOUBLE STACK WITH THE SECOND LEVEL AND THE , UH, SPECIFICALLY THE ONE AT 38, 31, UH, THREE I SCENT OF, UH, WHAT WE WERE DOING. 
          WE PROPERTY. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF ON THIS ADDRESS THAT WE'RE WE'RE BEING SHOWN AS A REFERENCE TO ALLOW THE STR THE DESIGN. 
          UM, DO WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY? IS THIS FOOTPRINT HISTORIC? HAS IT BEEN MODIFIED? AND IF SO, WHEN, SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING AS A REFERENCE, WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE REFERENCE SO WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION ON THAT? WELL, WE DO NOT KNOW ON THE REFERENCE OF GIVEN EXACTLY THOSE VERTICAL ADDITIONS WERE ADDED. 
          I READ THEM AS VERTICAL ADDITIONS. 
          NOW, IF THEY WERE ADDED DURING THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE, IN OTHER WORDS, PRIOR TO 1975, I COULD NOT SPEAK TO THAT. 
          I READ 'EM AS AN ADDED FEATURE AT SOME POINT TOO, WITHOUT KNOWING THE HISTORICAL FOOTPRINT OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. 
          I KIND OF READ IT AS YOU SAID, AS A VERTICAL ADDED. 
          UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD ACTUALLY UTILIZE THAT AS A HISTORIC SIGNIFICANT, UH, FEATURE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE DESIGN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT SINCE I'M SPEAKING AT THE MOMENT. 
          UM, I DO, I I DO HAVE THE CONCERNS THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON WAS SPEAKING ABOUT ON THE DESIGN OF THIS, UH, WHAT WERE BEING PRESENTED AND THE MASS, UH, WITH THAT, THAT HOUSE, UH, OVERTAKING THE, THE FRONT PART OF THE HOUSE, UM, YOU HAVE SHOWN IN YOUR SECTION THAT YOU HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT TEN THREE QUARTERS, UH, FROM FINISHED FLOOR TO CEILING ON BOTH THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE SECOND FLOOR IN THOSE AREAS. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S NOT THE MINIMUM OF A, OF A HEIGHT, OF A CEILING HEIGHT IN THERE. 
          SO I MEAN, TO ACTUALLY BE LOOKING AT THIS, IF WE WOULD'VE MADE SOME ATTEMPTS TO ACTUALLY LOWER THAT, TO REDUCE THE IMPACT OF THAT, WOULDN'T THAT BE AN EIGHT FOOT ZERO, UH, FINISHED, FINISHED, UH, FLOOR TO CEILING ON BOTH OF THOSE. 
          SO THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL TWO FEET ALMOST THAT THAT BACK STRUCTURE COULD HAVE BEEN LOWERED. 
          I BELIEVE SOME OF THE DESIGN THAT WAS BEING SPOKEN OF WERE COMMISSIONER ANDERSON OR INVALID. 
          AND UH, THE MASS, THE HEIGHT OF THAT BACK OF THE HOUSE IS JUST SEEMS TO OVERTAKE THE DESIGN. 
          UM, SO I WOULDN'T BE INCLINED SUPPORTING IT AS IT STANDS AT THE MOMENT I POINT TO, BUT THE, SEE AGAIN, THAT MIDDLE  NOT REALLY THAT FROM . 
          SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, THAT I BACK OUT SOMETHING THAT HE YOU ON PROPERTY SIDE OF THE HOUSE OR DO YOU HAVE A SITE LINE STUDY THAT'S PRESENTED? SO IT WOULD SHOW DIFFERENT SITE LINES AND WHAT THE VANTAGE POINTS WOULD BE THAT, 'CAUSE I KNOW ON SIGHTLINE STUDIES A LOT OF TIMES THERE ARE MOMENTS THAT YOU CAN SEE THE BACK OF THE HOUSE IN THE BACK STRUCTURE VERY WELL. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S SIGHTLINE STUDY IN, IN THIS. 
          YOU, YOU'RE CONSIDERING SIDELINE LEFT SIDE, UH, DIFFERENT VANTAGE POINTS AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE ON THE SIDE OF THE FRONT, LEFT SIDE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND THE CENTER OF THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET, UH, MAYBE ACROSS THE STREET, THE HOUSE OVER JUST DIFFERENT SIGHT LINES TO SEE IF, UH, WE COULD SEE SOME OF THAT DIRECTION. 
          SIDE LINE. 
          WELL NO, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE EYE POINT IS AT THE MOMENT ON SOME OF THOSE. 
          I MEAN SOME OF THEM SEEM TO BE GOOD, BUT WHERE THE ACTUAL SIGHTLINE 
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BEING ESTABLISHED, UH, GENERALLY, FOR INSTANCE, YOU, YOU, YOU MIGHT HAVE A, UM, AT THE HOUSE FROM THE SIDE AND, AND THE RULE THUMB, IT'S A SIX FOOT MAN STANDING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          DRAW A LINE. 
          YES. 
          SO EACH ONE OF THESE RENDERING ARE EITHER TAKEN FROM SIDEWALK OR FROM . 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, EACH HIGH, HIGH LEVEL HAVE THESE  LIKE THAT WHERE THE HOUSE HIGHER, SO THIS WOULD BE EVEN MORE  REALLY DROP DOWN. 
          I WOULDN'T BE TOO, UM, FOR SURE ON THAT BEING ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT HERE, THAT ALMOST LOOKED LIKE A SIGHT LINE. 
          I'M ALMOST LOOKING DOWN LIKE FRONT, YOU KNOW, MY SECOND FLOOR. 
          UM, I MEAN, UH, I'M JUST GONNA SAY GO AHEAD. 
          I HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF AFTER THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK REALLY WANT SIGHT LINE. 
          THAT WAS, UH, FIRST WHERE YOU WERE TRYING TO GO WITH IT. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          WHICH ONE WAS THESE INDIVIDUAL? . 
          . 
          I, THEY'RE ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER. 
          THEY, THEY REALLY ARE. 
          UM, I JUST, I'M NOT TOO SURE ABOUT EXACTLY WHERE THAT SITE LINE WOULD BE. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF AND I'LL SHUT UP. 
          UM, THE, UM, SINCE I'M KIND OF, I ALMOST READ THE STRUCTURE AS BEING A FRONT PART OF THE HOUSE, AND IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S AN ADDITION THAT'S ADDED TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, UH, AN ORDINANCE. 
          I KNOW SOME OF THESE ORDINANCES AND IN SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, DOESN'T ALLOW THE SECONDARY STRUCTURE TO BE TALLER THAN PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          UM, DOES THERE, IS THERE AN ORDINANCE THAT HAS ANY OF THAT LANGUAGE IN THIS WHERE THE ADDITION IN THE BACK CAN'T BE TALLER AND BIGGER THAN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE? OKAY. 
          IN TERMS OF WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ALREADY DISCUSSED ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEEN, THEY HAVE NOT ADDRESSED, NOT HAVING A VERTICAL ADDITION THE HIGHER THAN THE ORIGINAL BUILDING. 
          THEY'VE MADE THAT CLEAR. 
          NO, THEY HAVE NOT. 
          THEY HAVE NOT BECAUSE THERE ARE ACTUALLY SEVERAL, IT'S SHOWN, THERE ARE SEVERAL BUILDINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE, OF COURSE THERE WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN. 
          BUT YEAH, THAT HAS THAT, AND THAT GOES KIND OF WHAT WE'RE SAYING EARLIER. 
          THERE'S SOME REFERENCES TO THAT. 
          WE DON'T KNOW HOW HISTORICALLY ACCURATE THOSE REFERENCES ARE, IF THOSE ADDITIONS WERE BUILT 20 YEARS AFTER THE HOUSE WAS BUILT, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO IT'S HARD TO MAKE THOSE AS REFERENCE POINTS. 
          UM, BUT I JUST, I HAVE A CONCERN WITH THIS. 
          SEEMS LIKE IT'S IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ALL ONE BUILDING, IT'S ALL NEW RIGHT NOW. 
          SEEMS LIKE IT. 
          THE, THERE'S AN ADDITION THAT'S BEING POPPING UP FROM UP FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THAT OVERTAKES THE FRONT, WHICH IS JUST MAKES ME, MAKES THE DESIGN, UM, NOT APPROPRIATE, UH, AT THIS MOMENT UNTIL I KIND OF SEE IT. 
          THAT'S HOW I'M SITTING FAR. 
          SO UNDERSTANDING , THE NEIGHBORHOOD  NOT, YOU KNOW, UM, , I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T HANG MY HAT PERSONALLY ON THE REFERENCE OF ONE OF THOSE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE ENS AUTHENTICITY OF THE HISTORIC PART OF THAT HOUSE, UH, OF WHERE THE ONE THAT WE'RE TALKING TO ME, IT KINDA LOOKS LIKE IT. 
          THERE WOULD, COULD HAVE, COULD HAVE BEEN AN ADDITION, UH, 20, 30 YEARS AFTER THAT HOUSE WAS BUILT, THERE WAS A VERTICAL ADDITION IN THE BACK. 
          NOW HAS THAT ADDITION BEEN THERE FOR 40 YEARS? POSSIBLE, BUT IT, AN ORIGINAL DESIGN WASN'T LIKE THAT. 
          WHO'S TO SAY? I DON'T KNOW. 
          UNTIL WE HAVE FURTHER EVIDENCE, THAT'S WHY I WOULDN'T TAKE IT AS THE SOLE PIECE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD ACCEPT THIS OR NOT. 
          I THINK YOU WOULD CONSIDER IT. 
          I THINK YOU PUT IT IN THERE AS YOU DID USE IT AS A CONSIDERATION. 
          BUT I, TO ME, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD UTILIZE THAT AS A SOCIETY POINT. 
          THAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED. 
          THAT'S WHAT, THAT WAY I SEE IT AS A JOKE. 
          CONSIDER . 
          UM, I'M NOT CERTAIN, UH, POSSIBLY NOT. 
          I THINK WE HANDLE EACH ONE AS, UH, AS THEY MAY BE, UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE SITE, THE SITE ALLOWS AND WHAT IT DOESN'T ALLOWED WHAT THE BEEF, UM, DEPENDING ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE, THE, THE, THE SURROUNDING AREA RIGHT 
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THERE, THE, ACROSS THE STREET. 
          I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS. 
          SO NOT NECESSARILY NO, THANK YOU. 
          WHY THE EXISTING PROPERTY HAS FIRST, BUT WE  WE CAN GO THROUGH A  ORIGINAL ATTENTION . 
          OH YES. 
          COMMISSIONER RES ALSO HAS A COMMENT, SO NO, I DON'T HAVE A COMMENT THAT THAT'S WELL WHY CAN'T YOU JUST TURN THIS OFF AND AROUND AND PUT THE BACK IN THE THAT'S GOOD. 
          IT IS SEXY. 
          IT'S A VERY GOOD LOOKING FRONT PORCH. 
          TOP BOTTOM. 
          A VERY SEXY YES MA'AM. 
          I DON'T, I WOULD'VE TO RESEARCH THIS THAT I'VE SEEN WHERE IT HAS THAT DOUBLE PORCH OF THE SITUATION IN YOUR HOUSE CITY. 
          UH, I HAVE, UH, AT LEAST AT THIS MOMENT, I'M NOT RECALLING A PERFECT EXAMPLE AND SOLVE ALL YOUR COPY. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW THE  NO, YOU HAVE ANOTHER TYPE PLAN. 
          WELL, MAYBE IT SHOWS WE GOING BE ZOOMING THE THIRD CLAIM. 
          MAYBE IT'S JUST DIRECT. 
          IS THIS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? FORCES IT KIND OF OVER TO THE SIDE INSTEAD OF BEING YES, MA'AM. 
          PULLED YES MA'AM. 
          THAT, UH, THAT CURB CUTTER SET FOR THE PROPERTY WITH ALL THE TREES ON THE, UH, ON THE . 
          ONE SECOND. 
          I CAN SEE IT ONLINE. 
          YOU CAN KIND OF START TO MAKE OUT ON DATES WHERE THAT CURB CUT IS AND THAT, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DID YOU PUSH THE HOUSE OVER SO THAT A DRIVEWAY LEADING FROM THE CURB CUT COULD LEAK BEHIND THE HOUSE? NOT BEHIND THE HOUSE, BUT ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. 
          SO WE CAN HAVE A STRAIGHT DRIVE. 
          THAT IS ONE THAT IS, UH, LIKE SOME TYPE OF, SOME TYPE OF WAY. 
          AND IF YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO REACH THE BACK, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE JUST AT THE HOUSE COME FURTHER AND THE DRIVE DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY BACK. 
          WE DON'T ALWAYS LIKE THAT, BUT WE HAVE DONE THAT. 
          HAVE THE DRIVEWAY WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T LEAVE THE WHOLE SIDE EMPTY, JUST THERE'S HOUSE OVER THERE  AT WHERE YOU'VE LEFT OPEN FOR THE DRIVEWAY SAYING LIKE THE HOUSE NOT THE DOG LED AROUND. 
          YEAH. 
          OR JUST BATTER IN THE BACK THAT IT IS INSTEAD TALLER THE BACK. 
          I MEAN, I CAN SEE IF YOU JUST MADE IT ONE STORY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ONE BEDROOM, MAYBE ONE BEDROOM, A TINY BEDROOM. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, DOG. 
          LET THAT HOUSE END UP TRYING TO, I I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF DOG LED HOUSE. 
          UH, THE BOOTS THAT WE SAW THAT BIG WAS SKINNY ENOUGH AND, UH, POP IT, POP IT UP ON THE TOP. 
          SO, WELL YOU KIND OF HAVE TO ADMIT SOME OF YOUR EXAMPLES. 
          I DIDN'T MAKE A LOVELY PRODUCT. 
          THEY'RE JUST THERE. 
          PEOPLE ADDING ON THE SPACE WITHOUT JUST DESIGNING A NICE HOUSE. 
          ROSIE MUCH MORE DIRECTED THAN THAT. 
          UH, I FORGET. 
          WHAT WAS YOUR, UM, RESPONSE TO THE IDEA OF LOWERING YOUR INTERIOR CEILING HEIGHT? SO THE BACK GETS A LITTLE BIT LOWER, MAYBE JUST COULD PUSH THE FRONT A LITTLE HIGHER AND THEN THEY, BUT THE OTHER ONE WAS, TODAY'S MARKET IDEALLY WOULD TRY TO HAVE, UH, SOMEWHERE AROUND NINE , UH, WHICH IS THE PERCENT OF THE DAYS IDEAL FOR TENANTS. 
           DROPPING THAT DOWN TO, UH, GET RID OF THAT  THAT GOES ON SIDE. 
          ALTHOUGH WE KNOW THAT YOU HAVE LOWER CEILING SUCH, UH, BESIDES THAT, THE , THAT LOWER CEILING FIELD GOING GREAT THAN CEILING UP. 
          SO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING PRODUCT THAT WAS  QUALITY PRODUCTS, . 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE NOT, I MEAN YOU HAVE HERE TO A MARKET FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED FOUR BEDROOMS, WHICH WOULD SUGGEST A LOT OF CHILDREN. 
          SOMETIMES WHEN YOUR PARENTS, YOU'RE HAPPY TO GET THE FORE. 
          THERE'S NOT 
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LIKE WHAT PLACE TO PUT ALL THE KIDS. 
          I MEAN, SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT KINDS OF MARKER. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DOES TO YOUR  HOUSE OF COMMISSIONER . 
          WHAT ABOUT A CATHEDRAL CEILING IN THE BACK ON THE SECOND FLOOR? UH, MEANING IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT AND THEN LOWER DOWN OPEN. 
          WE HAVE IMPLICATIONS ON THE, UM, STAIRS SIDE. 
          UH, THEY MAKE THAT CEILING KIND OF WONKY ON THE STAIRS SIDE. 
          I MEAN BY THAT IS COMING UP THAT STAIRS, IF YOU'RE COMING UP THAT STAIRS,  SOMETHING. 
          I MEAN A CATHEDRAL ABOVE A BIT OF A POINT BALL. 
          OKAY, SO WE'RE ALL COMING UP WITH ALL OF THESE, ALL THESE IDEAS, NONE OF WHICH SEEM TO BE RESONATING WITH YOU AS AN IDEAL SOURCE. 
          GO WITH US. 
          ANYBODY GOT ONE MORE IDEA? AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE MOTION AND SEE WHAT WE DO. 
          UM, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          THE, UM, I KNOW WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT, NOT , BUT UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THE LOCATION OF THE  S DRIVING SAID THE HOUSE AND A DOG OR UH, TAIL WAGGING A DOG. 
          UM, IS IT UN UH, UNCOMMON TO SEE THE BROADWAY ? UH, I MEAN YOU'RE DOING ALMOST BY FISHING TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE, STILL ALLOWING SARAH 12 QUICK DRIVE AND, UH, DOING ALL THAT THANKS DIMENSION BACK INTO THE HOUSE ITSELF. 
          THAT'S MAKE YOU ANSWER THAT. 
          BUT YEAH, MOVING CURVE, CURVE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS LEAVING THE CURB , BUT UH, IT MIGHT BE THAT OF ALL OF OUR IDEAS, WHICH DO YOU DISLIKE THE LEAST AND OR WOULD COST YOU THE LEAST OR MAKE YOUR PRODUCT WHAT YOU WANT IT TO BE? OKAY, SO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT I, UH, CURB THAT DRIVEWAY MAKES IT TO ONE LEVEL, UH, HOUSE, CURB DRIVEWAY MAKES IT ONE LEVEL HOUSE , UH, ORDER TO DROP THAT BAG LOOKED DOWN. 
          UH, THIRD WE COULD  AND THAT SECOND , UH, BUMP PICKING ONE THE COPPER. 
          UH, THERE WAS ALSO THE DOG LEG BEHIND THE, THE DRIVEWAY WITH ANOTHER THOUGHT AND ALSO WITH THE DROPPING THE CEILING HEIGHT. 
          WHAT I HEARD, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT WAS JUST IN THE BACK WHERE THE FRONT CEILING, THE ONE STORY PART OF THE HOUSE BUILT UP AND THE BACK GOES DOWN AND LESS HOLD ON, LESS BETWEEN. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? NO, SIR. 
          HIGHER ONE STORY, LOWER TWO STORIES, AND THEN LEAST CLOSER TO THE PUBLIC. 
          SO YOU HAVE A HIGH CEILING OUT OF THAT PUBLIC AREA. 
          UH, . 
          SO, SO I WASN'T THERE. 
          OKAY, CONTINUE. 
          SORRY. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          , AT SOME POINT THE CHOICE MUST BE LATE . 
          I BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT? SO I, I THINK, UH, CONSIDERING IT'S NOT FORTUNATE TRYING TO BRING IN WASTE, THAT BOND, ALL THOSE, ALL THE, UH, UH, RELATIONS THAT WE'VE PROVIDED OF OTHER HOMES, UH, EACH OF THEM EXCEPT FOR ONE, HAS A GIG ALONG THE FRONT BACK FORTH, UM, OR AT A MAIN ROOM, THE ONLY ONE THAT HAD A SHED ON THE FRONT, 1 7 0 5 GOLD STREET. 
          AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, OF THAT ELEVATION, IT'S QUITE SMALL. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, COMPARED TO THE OTHER HOMES THAT WE'RE, WE'RE BEEN PROPOSING HERE, UM, I THINK THE CABLE RATHER THAN THE SHED ON THAT, ON THAT FOURTH MORE APPROPRIATE. 
          THE OTHER THING, COUPLE THINGS I WAS WONDERING. 
          ON THE PORCH PORCHES, THOSE COLUMNS ARE NOT AT THE CORNER OF THE PORCH, WHICH ARE, THE FLOOR GOES OUT BY THE . 
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UM, EITHER BRING THE FLOOR OF THE PORCH IN OR AWAY THROUGH THE PORCH. 
          NOW, UH, WE GIVE YOU A LIVABLE PORCH JUST UP OUT TODAY AND NOW HAVE THE LIVE ENTIRE THING. 
          I LOVE LIVER FORTUNE BY THE WAY. 
          THAT'S A, THAT'S AN INCREDIBLE ADDITION. 
          AND THE, THE SECOND AND I GUESS FOURTH OPTION NOW ON, ON THE HOME IS IF YOU FOLLOW 39 30 WILDWOOD, THE IT MASSING ONE WITH THE GREEN TRIM ON IT, UM, WHERE YOU'RE BRINGING IN THE MASS OR THE, THE REAR, THE PUMP FORWARD. 
          IT IS A TWO STORY, UM, ADDITION, I THINK, UM, TRYING TO MAKE DORMERS OUT OF THAT SECOND STORY BECAUSE OF ITS MASS, IT TAKES UP HALF THE PUMP. 
          SO IT'S NOT A DORMER ANYMORE, IT'S EXCEPT FULL. 
          MAKE THAT STORY HALF OUT OF IT. 
          UM, SO BY BRINGING IT FORWARD, UM, YOU STILL GET THE, THE, THE TWO, THE DOUBLE STORY FRAME OF THE HOUSE. 
          UM, YOU CAN ALSO GO BACK TO YOUR, YOUR NINE HEIGHT THAT YOU FRONT, UH, ROAD TO, TO COVER THE MASS. 
          THE SECOND STORY, IF YOU WERE TO ZOOM 39, 30 , IN MY MIND THAT'S THE, THAT'S YOUR SOLUTION FOR  THAT WE'VE TALKING. 
          YEAH. 
           SAY . 
          NO, MR. MATT. 
          NO, WE SAYING, I'M SORRY, YOU SAYING THE SOLUTION OF WORD. 
          UM, THE 39 30 WHILE OR SO, I WOULD HAVE A GABLE ON THE FRONT PORCH. 
          WE'D WE'D BRING, BRING THE SECOND FLOOR ALMOST TO THE FRONT, BUT NOT, I MEAN MAYBE IT'S A ROOM BEHIND OR A  BEHIND SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO THAT, THAT, UM, THAT CROSS GABLE ON THE FIRST FLOOR EVER THAN THE HOUSE OF THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, ALONG WITH, YOU KNOW, . 
          SO THAT TO DECIDED THAT, UM, THE PROPERTY LINE TO GIVE YOU SOME MORE WORK IF YOU WANTED AND GET IT, I THINK YOU'D HAVE A, A VEHICLE HOME. 
          OH, NOT THANK YOU MS. YOU HAVE ANOTHER TWO IDEAS. 
          UM, SO I'M GONNA ASK SIR, BECAUSE THIS HAS GOTTEN A LITTLE COMPLICATED, IT WOULD APPEAR THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION IS NOT INCLINED TO SAY YES TO WHAT? TO ACCURATE THAT ORIGINALLY TODAY, UNLESS THE PEOPLE WHO LIKE IT HAVE NOT SAID A WORD. 
          OKAY? SO WE DON'T, SO IF YOU'RE EXPECTING THAT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET TO BE THAT. 
          AND ANYTHING YOU HEARD TODAY, MAKE IT LIKE THE PINK HOUSE, MAKE THE POLL, HAVE THE FRONT HAVE POLICIES AND CEILING, THE BANK HAVE LOWER CEILING. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING THAT SOUNDS IN PREFERABLE TO DO, CAN PUT IT UP, MAKE THE MOTION TO, BUT WILL THEN RESPOND ME. 
          BUT IF YOU GUYS MAKE THE MOTION, WHICH OF THOSE WOULD YOU WANT IT TO BE? WELL, SOME OF 'EM STARTING ALL OVER AGAIN, COMING BACK, BUT ALL GROUP, UH, THIS IS MY SECOND TIME PARENT. 
          WE ALL FRONT OF Y ALL PROPERTY, UH, OFF OF THE COURTESY REVIEW, THE MAIN NOTE WAS THE LOWER ROOF AND TO PROVIDE RISKS UNDERNEATH THOSE NOTES, I, I KNOW AND WE, WE SEEM TO HAVE GONE FURTHER OFF AND WE SHOULD BE MORE CONSISTENT FURTHER OFF, OKAY? UH, SECONDLY, UH, IT IS ON OUR, AS THE PROPOSAL, IT'S ON OUR HALF TO FIND PRESIDENTS INTIMIDATION THAT THIS TIME , THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT RESPECTED. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THESE MAY OR MAY NOT, UH, FIT WITHIN A D HISTORICAL TIME FRAME. 
          UH, WE DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW, BUT FROM THE CENTER STANDPOINT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE REASON WHY THAT GOES OUT SUCH A WAY, UH, HERE ARE THE NOTES THAT Y'ALL GAVE US AT FIRST REVIEW. 
          HERE'S HOW WE ADDRESS THOSE NOW WE DIDN WE GO ALL D , OKAY? SO I WOULDN'T HAVE, IF Y'ALL CHOSE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, WITH THIS DESIGN, WOULDN'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHERE TO AND WHERE TO START. 
          THAT IS AN EXCELLENT POINT AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR DR. 
          THEY DID NOT SAY MORE THE FIRST TIME. 
          UM, AND NOW SEEM TO BE LOOKING CLOSER AT IT AND DISCOVERING ISSUES THAT WERE NOT AS APPARENT LAST TIME. 
          IT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENCE IN THE PEOPLE HERE AND SOMEONE BROUGHT UP SOMETHING AND THAT DID CAUSE THE REST OF US TO LOOK AT IT . 
          SO 
          [01:45:01]
I AM LET'S OPPOSED TO THE CURRENT LIVING. 
          SOME PEOPLE ARE, BUT I FEEL MANY OF THESE WAYS. 
          ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BRINGING US SOME EXAMPLES, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS ONE WHERE WE DON'T GET AN ORDINANCE. 
          IT, IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT. 
          JUST BECAUSE IT EXISTS IN PINE CITY DOESN'T MEAN IT'S A GOOD THING TO , ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT PARTICULARLY SENSITIVE OR PROPORTION OF ADDITIONAL THAT HAS BEEN MADE. 
          WE DON'T REALLY WANNA ENCOURAGE THE BUILDING OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD FULL, FULL OF EXACTLY WHAT WE BROUGHT US HERE AS OUR EXAMPLE. 
          WE DID PICK OUT THE ONE ON WALL STREET. 
          THAT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD EXAMPLE. 
          UH, IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY EVEN TO MAKE A FEW MISTAKES ON THE WAY IT CAME UP WITH THE BEST POSSIBLE PRODUCT THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THE OVERALL BENEFIT OF THE SOMETIMES I'M SO SORRY WHEN THAT MEANT THAT HARDER ON YOUR APPLICANTS TO DEAL WITH THAT. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME UP WITH AN ANSWER TO THIS. 
          SUE, I AM ASKING YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO AIM FOR A SMALL TWEAK TO THE EXISTING ONE OR THE ONE WHERE MAYBE YOU SPREAD YOUR HOUSE OUT WIDER AND THINK IT START OVER AND PERHAPS ADD EVEN MORE APPEALING FEATURES FOR PROOF OF SALE? WHICH DO YOU THINK WOULD BE BETTER FOR YOU? AND SEE WHAT THE MOTION MAKE THE BE TO. 
          OKAY, SOMEBODY MUST MAKE A MOTION. 
          NOW I  REGARDING, UH, MR. STIFF MATTER MEMBER THREE TO 6 0 9 DATE THREE BE SEE, OKAY,  WE OUT THAT THE BALANCE THAT  AND  WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION, UH, UM, INCREASING PAY, STABLE, UH, PORCH ON THE, THE FRONT, THE SHED THAT THE COLUMNS  LOCATED COMPLETE SLAP, UH, PERSONALLY FROM THE STANDPOINT WITH THAT, RIGHT THE CORNER OF THAT CONCRETE WHERE THAT'S WHY  THAT SOMETHING NORMALLY THE DETAIL IS THAT THE BRICK GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND, NOT OKAY. 
          AND FROM THE, UH, TABLE GETTING RID OF THAT, SHE ,  PATIO, UH, ALL  THAT UH, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE  C ONE AND IT'S 1 7 0 5 DATE. 
          THE WIDTH OF THAT ONE CONSIDER IT, UM, SIZE WITH SMALL, IT'S LIKE IT'S . 
          I'M TRYING TO . 
          HE REALLY IS DOING HIS BEST  AND HE'S AN ARCHITECT, SO HE DON BUDGET. 
          ALRIGHT, DO WE HAVE A SUBJECT THE MOTION TO, OKAY, , WE DID DRIFT A BIT, BUT REALLY  THAT, UM, YEAH, THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDED AND ALL THEIR CONDITIONS, BUT I MORE THAT THE WHICH AND THE S THE UNKNOWN. 
          ALRIGHT, WE'LL HAVE A SECOND. 
          THE SECOND MUST BE HONESTLY THERE EVERYTHING , COMMISSIONER REEVES, THE SECOND DOES NOT HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT. 
          WHEN YOU SECOND A MOTION, IT SIMPLY MEANS THAT YOU JUST WANT TO OPEN THE MOTION. 
          MOTION FOR DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY, COMMISSIONER RES HAS SECONDED IT IN ORDER TO OPEN THE MOTION FOR DISCUSSION. 
          SECOND, NO, NOW IT'S TIME FOR DISCUSSION. 
          MR. GRU, DO YOU HAVE SOME DISCUSSION? I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS. 
          [01:50:01]
UM, THIS, UH, THIS APPLICATION AS IT STAND AS IT'S BEING STATED. 
          UM, I THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH HERE. 
          I, IT FEELS LIKE, AND BACK AND FORTH IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE STILL CONTINUING OUR COURTESY REVIEW TYPE OF THING. 
          I THINK THERE'S STILL A LOT HERE TO BE FIGURED OUT, BUT IN SHORT, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING IT BECAUSE OF THE DIRT, THE HEIGHT AND THE MASS OF THE BACK PART OF THE HOUSE. 
          THIS DESIGN LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN, IT'S LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE, THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE LOOKS LIKE THERE'S AN EXTENSION. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S AN ADDITION AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. 
          I THINK WE DRIFT. 
          WE DID HAVE CONCERNS, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT IN THE COURTESY REVIEW OF THE HEIGHT OF THE BACK OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          I DON'T THINK THE HEIGHT OF THE BACK OF THE STRUCTURE IS APPROPRIATE AND WE HAVEN'T MENTIONED, UH, THE, WELL, I GUESS WE DID ON THE STAFF, UH, TALKED ABOUT THE GANG WINDOW LEAVING MOW AND UH, AND I ALSO HAD CONCERN, I QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT THE, UH, THE UH, NINE OVER ONE WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF ALL THE WINDOWS IN, IN THERE. 
          I THINK THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE STILL HERE. 
          STUFF TO BE DESIGNED TO MAKE IT THE, THE RIGHT HOUSE THAT IT NEEDS TO. 
          SO I WON'T BE SUPPORTIVE. 
          I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING THAT MR. RENE WAS GONNA HEAD IN THE PART WHERE IN THE BACK GATE PUT ALL CEILINGS IN THE, YOU CAN MAKE A POWER IF YOU WANT SO THAT YOU END UP LEVELING THE MOUTH OF A LITTLE BIT MORE, MAKING IT VERY  IN THE FRONT AND NOT PERHAPS EVEN DO IT FACT THERE. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT, I ALSO WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          I THINK THIS IS DANGEROUS. 
          WE DO NOT HAVE CRITERIA. 
          WE ARE TRYING TO APPROVE NEW CONSTRUCTIONS THAT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT THAT FIT IN. 
          THAT DOES NOT MEAN WE CAN GO TO EVERY STRUCTURE THAT HAS BEEN ALTERED IN THE LAST 70 YEARS. 
          AND IF THERE'S SOME FUNKY POP UP ON THE BACK, I THINK THAT'S FINE. 
          I THINK THAT'S VERY DANGEROUS. 
          THE CRITERIA'S GONNA HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT ARCHITECTURAL STYLES ARE APPROPRIATE AND WHAT THINGS ARE NOT. 
          SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS THE DANGEROUS PRECEDENT SETTING. 
          I DON'T LIKE TO POP UP IN THE BACK. 
          IT'S, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO THE DISTRICT. 
          UM, I MENTIONED THE DORMER AT ONE TIME. 
          I STILL BELIEVE IF YOU CAN YOU TAKE YOUR SHOT OF THE, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE LOOKING STRAIGHT IN. 
          THERE'S A STRAIGHT UP SHOT. 
          , PLEASE. 
          NO, YOU CAN, IT'S OKAY. 
          THE THING IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT STRAIGHT ON, YOU SEE A GIGANTIC GABLE IN THE BACK. 
          THAT GABLE NEEDS TO BE LESSENED. 
          MY THOUGHT WERE TO BE BRING THAT WHOLE GABLE IS ATTIC SPACE, AS I MENTIONED IN THE, UH, THE COURTESY REVIEW THAT THAT ATTIC SPACE TRIANGLE GABLE PUMP IS USELESS. 
          NO ONE'S USING IT FOR ANYTHING BUT STORAGE. 
          SO IF YOU DROP THAT ROOF, PUT SOME DORMERS OUT THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE ONE ON THE LOWER, LOWER AND THE MIDDLE. 
          THAT BIG GABLE HAS NO USE, NO ONE IS LIVING IN THAT GABLE EXCEPT FOR STORAGE. 
          DROP THE GABLE DOWN AND SOMEHOW DO DORMERS AND MAKE BEDROOMS UP THERE WOULD MAKE IT FIT THE DISTRICT. 
          IT'S DANGEROUS TO APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE CRITERIA BECAUSE THIS WILL BECOME THE NEW GO TO HOUSE THAT EVERYONE WILL WANT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND ONCE WE HAVE ONE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MANY MORE OF THEM. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. 
          MR. TAYLOR, GO AHEAD. 
          YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT'S, UH, APPROPRIATE TO CALL IT DANGEROUS. 
          I, I FEEL LIKE THROUGH THE COURTESY REVIEW WE GAVE COMMENTS AND THE APPLICANT CAN ONLY RESPOND TO THE COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS THAT WE GIVE THEM TO GIVE THEM A SECOND BATCH OF COMMENTS. 
          NOW I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE VERY CLEAR WITH WHAT THE INTENT IS SO THAT IF HE DOES COME BACK AGAIN THAT IT'S NOT THE SAME IDEA OF LET'S CHANGE IT AGAIN. 
          I WANT TO TRY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DURING THE COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS THAT IF THEY RESPOND TO THEM AND TRY TO ALLEVIATE OUR CONCERNS, THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT CONTINUOUSLY TRYING TO REDESIGN AT THE HORSESHOE. 
          SO I THINK WE DO NEED TO, I COMMENT, I DON'T, HANG ON. 
          HAS ANYBODY WHO HASN'T COMMENTED HAVE ONE? COMMISSIONER OFFIT. 
          COMMISSIONER OFFIT, GO AHEAD. 
          YES, I WANNA ECHO, UH, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR'S, UH, THOUGHTS. 
          WHEN WE DO THOSE COURTESY REVIEWS AND WE GO IN AND WE EXPRESS OPINIONS AND APPLICANTS DO THEIR BEST AND COME BACK TO US AND THEN WE EXPRESS OPINIONS AND START REDESIGNING, IT'S NOT ONLY CONFUSING, IT'S INCREDIBLY COSTLY. 
          I AM NOT GONNA BE VOTING 
          [01:55:01]
FOR THIS MOTION BECAUSE FRANKLY WHAT THE APPLICANT DID MEETS BOTH RECOMMENDATIONS AND WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF MEETS THE CRITERIA BOTH OF THE CITY AND THE SECRETARY STATEMENT. 
          THANK YOU MR. OFFIT. 
          UM,  THE QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          ARE THERE ANY TWO STORIES TOLD THEY HAVE FROM, FOR STEWART UP I THIS HOUSE? NOT THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH. 
          THAT'S NOT COMMON IN A LOT. 
          I GREW UP IN . 
          WELL, THAT'S A DIFFERENT DISTRICT. 
           DIFFERENT SCIENCE HOUSE. 
          CAN I HAVE A COMMENT? OKAY, GO AHEAD. 
          BUT LET'S REMEMBER NOT TO ARGUE WITH EACH OTHER TOO MUCH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          IN THE COURTESY REVIEW. 
          IN THE COURTESY REVIEW, I REMEMBER SAYING EXACTLY WHAT I SAID TODAY THAT GABLE STRUCTURE IS USELESS, IS ONLY USED FOR STORAGE, DROP IT AND MAKE IT TO A STORE AND A HALF. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS SAYING. 
          'CAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS MADE AND THAT WAS IGNORED. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. 
          YEAH, I WAS GONNA CLARIFY THAT I THINK WE EXPRESSED OUR CONCERNS THEN ABOUT THE, THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE, THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, THAT SECOND FLOOR. 
          WE EXPRESSED CONCERNS ON THE CURSORY VIEW THEN AND WE STILL HAVE, HAVE MAINTAINED THE SAME CONCERNS ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE SECOND FLOOR AND THAT MASS OF THAT, THAT BACK OF THE HOUSE. 
          I THINK THAT CONCERN HAS BEEN CONSISTENT AND I DON'T, I THINK WE'RE GETTING OFF TRACK ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT CORRECT BY, BY WHAT WE'VE HEARD THERE. 
          I THINK THAT THAT HAS BEEN CONSISTENT ON THE CONCERN FROM THE CURTIS REVIEW TO TODAY, AND THAT IS A KEY POINT. 
          IT WOULD BE WRONG OF US TO CHANGE OUR MIND TOO MUCH THAT WE'LL BE PUTTING AN EXTRA BURDEN ON THEM. 
          SO IF IT MADE AN OUTCOME THAT WAS VERY DESIRABLE FOR US, IT WOULD BE WORTH IT. 
          BUT APPARENTLY WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE TO DO IT AND NEVER MENTIONED HIDING. 
          IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT IS START FROM OCTOBER. 
          UM, I THINK AT THIS TIME WE NEED TO VOTE ON THIS MONTH AND IF THIS MOTION FAILS THEN WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER ONE. 
          SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES, I SAY YES TO, BUT WE, WE LOSE SO , OKAY, ANYBODY AT HOME WHO SAID YES AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR WHO ARE NOT IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY NO. 
          NO. 
          GOOD. 
          NO. 
          ANYBODY HOME SAY ANYTHING? OKAY, SO WERE THERE ONLY TWO YESES, THEREFORE THIS MOTION, MOTION HAD FAILED. 
          YOU WILL NEED ANOTHER MOTION CHAIR. 
          MONTGOMERY, WHO? I HAVE ANOTHER MOTION. 
          HANG ON. 
          IT WAS ME AND COMMISSIONER RENO COMMISSIONER OFFICE. 
          DID, DID YOU SAY YES OR NO ON THIS MOTION? THIS MOTION MADE VERY LITTLE CHANGES TO HIS, I SAID NO. 
          OKAY. 
          HE WAS A NO. 
          SO THAT MOTION HAS FAILED. 
          WE ARE GONNA NEED A NEW MOTION. 
          I'M ANOTHER BOOK IN, IN THE CASE OF CO A 25 0 0 3 1 9 25 26 0 9. 
          THAT STREET I MOVE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE STRUCTURE WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WILL NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT RESUBMIT WITH A NEW DESIGN LOWERING THE REAR STRUCTURE AND CONSIDERING A STORE AND A HALF WITH DORMERS LOCATED ON THE ROOF WITH A FINDING OF FACT IS THE PROPOSED DISTRICT WITHOUT CRITERIA CREATING A NEW TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE'S NOT APPROPRIATE. 
          NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD REPRESENT HISTORIC STYLES THAT ARE HISTORIC STYLES NOT STRUCTURED THAT HAVE BEEN ALTERED ALL THE TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. RA PUTS A SECOND ON THAT ONE. 
          MSRA IS SECOND. 
          THIS . 
          OKAY, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? BECAUSE I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY ASSERT BOTH, BOTH US. 
          UM, MS. ANDERSON, DOES THAT INCLUDE, UH, GABRIEL IN THE FRONT?  THAT THE MATTER, WE DON'T HAVE IF A, IT A DENIAL ON THE TOPIC? WHICH SECOND? I, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK THIS IS SORT OF JUMPING RIGHT FROM, YES, WE ALMOST APPROVE IT THE WAY IT IS TO SORT OF BE CLEAR VERSION OF THIS WHERE WE'RE NOT SEEKING A COMPROMISE THAT COULD GET SOMETHING PASSED THE DAY, BUT THIS IS THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND IF PEOPLE FEEL STRONGLY THAT IT DESIGNED IT THE ONLY WAY TO SOLVE THIS, THEN UM, FLOOR ADDRESSES THAT AND JUST LEAVE IT OPEN TO THE APPEAL. 
          SO EVERYBODY CONSIDER THAT. 
          I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES. 
          YES, YES. 
          ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY NO. 
          ME? NO, 
          [02:00:01]
NO. 
           WHO, WHO ELSE WOULD? NO, NO. 
          OKAY, WE'RE HAVE THE ROLL CALL DISTRICT TWO COMMISSIONER, I'M SORRY. 
          DISTRICT TWO, COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY. 
          I SAID NO. 
          UH, DISTRICT THREE. 
          COMMISSIONER FOG. 
          NO, NO. 
          WHAT'D YOU SAY? NO, NO. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER DISTRICT OR COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? NO. 
          DISTRICT FIVE COMMISSIONER OFFICE? NO. 
          DISTRICT NINE COMMISSIONER RENO? NO. 
          DISTRICT 12 COMMISSIONER? NO. 
          MR 13. 
          COMMISSIONER F? YES. 
          YES, YES. 
          DISTRICT 14. 
          COMMISSIONER HARPER. 
          YES. 
          DISTRICT, I'M SORRY. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER REED. 
          COMMISSIONER CU. 
          YES. 
          IS THAT ALL? ALWAYS. 
          IT APPEARS THE MOTION FAILED BY ONE VOTE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WHAT WE NEED IS A MOTION THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER WITHIN WORDS THAT WE CAN DESCRIBE IN THIS WITHOUT OUTRIGHT REJECTING IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT OUR TWO VOTES SO FAR GOES. 
          , I DUNNO, CAN I SAY IT BETTER? WE TRY TO MOTION THAT BARELY ALL WHAT WAS SUBMITTED, THAT ONE FAILED. 
          WE TRIED A MOTION THAT REJECTED WHAT WAS SUBMITTED AND THAT ONE FAILED. 
          IT SEEMS THAT WHAT WE NEED IS A MOTION THAT TAKES WHAT WAS SUBMITTED ADDRESSES OUR LARGEST ISSUES, WHICH I WOULD SAY ARE THE PORCH AND THE LARGEST, LARGEST ONE. 
          THE HEIGHT ADDRESSES THEM TO MAKE THEM LESS WORRISOME WHILE STILL NOT REQUIRING TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN IDEA FOR THIS? I DON'T THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU CAN'T TAKE, YOU CAN'T TAKE SOMETHING THAT IS SO FAR OFF, IN MY OPINION AND IN THE HORSESHOE TWEAK IT WITHOUT IT BEING RESUBMITTED BECAUSE IF THE REAR ADDITION IT'S DEFAULT. 
          WE CAN'T SAY MAKE IT SMALLER AND WE'LL . 
          THAT'S OUR PROBLEM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE, WE HAVE TURNED DOWN SAYING YES AND WE HAVE TURNED DOWN SAYING NO. 
          WHAT ELSE IS YOUR IN BETWEEN THOSE? ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER NO IS GOING TO BRAVELY TRY THIS . 
          WE'RE GONNA GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR BRAVERY NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS. 
          WHAT? AND TO IT, IT'S SUCH A SMALL . 
          THE LEFT, DID YOU CALL FOR A REVOTE ON THAT? WE WE'RE NOT, WE COULD NOT REVOTE. 
          I DON'T THINK WE SEE WHAT MOTION SOMEONE'S RAISED TO MAKE. 
          COMMISSIONER RENO HAS A MOTION IF IT MAKES THE SAME MOTION HE JUST HAD, WE'LL VOTE ON THAT. 
          UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM 3, 2, 6 0 9 BETH STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS COA 2 5 1 1 THAT WE FOLLOWED STAFF OPENING. 
          WE WERE THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT STAFF WAS RECOMMENDED. 
          UM, THUS, UH, THE, UH, THE TABLE AND MOVING THE UPSTAIRS MASS THROUGH THE FRONT PORTION OF THE HOME WITHIN BE THE MAIN, UH, BODY OF THE LOWER OF THE FIRST FLOOR. 
          ALSO SECOND STEP. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF. 
          IF WE LOOK AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING AND THAT BECOMES THE FRONT OF IT. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          WHAT WE WANNA DO? NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT HE'S SAYING. 
          I THOUGHT HE SAID HE WANTED THE, THE, THE MASS IN THE FRONT WITHIN 15, 15 FEET. 
          SO IT'S APPROXIMATELY, UM, WHERE NO, OKAY, SO THE FARMER REMAINS LIKE IT IS AND THE MASSIVE PART IS CLOSE TO THE FRONT. 
          CORRECT. 
          DOESN'T THAT MAKE IT MORE VISIBLE AGAINST IT? MORE APPROPRIATE? IT'S A TWO STORY. 
          WELL, I GUESS MY QUESTION TO STAFFING, IS THERE ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? WELL, WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER LENO IS USING IT AS AN EXAMPLE IS PINK AND GREENWELL. 
          YEAH, IT WAS THE PHOTOGRAPH. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THAT. 
          SO 
          [02:05:01]
QUESTION I I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DOES THIS MASS EXIST IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? YES. 
          YES. 
          AT 39 34 WILDER? YES. 
          QUESTION. 
          BOTH PERMITTED BY THE, THAT YOU COMMISSIONER PRETI? NO, THAT WAS COMMISSIONER OFFIT. 
          BUT I I DID HAVE A QUESTION. 
          I IF YOU CAN REPEAT THE MOTION. 
          IT'S VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT COMMISSIONER RENO WAS SAYING. 
          SURE. 
          IT'S, UM, FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND GETTING THE CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CONVICTIONS. 
          I STILL CAN'T HEAR THE MOTION. 
          YEAH, SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL TALK RIGHT INTO THE MICROPHONE THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEIR CONDITIONS WITH TWO ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT THE FRONT PORCH BE, UH, CHANGED FROM A SHED TO A CABLE ROOF AND THAT THE SECOND FLOOR MOVE MASS MOVE FORWARD, UM, TO 15 FEET BACK OF THE MAIN BODY AT THE GROUND LEVEL. 
          SECOND, I, I HAVE A COMMENT. 
          YOU HAVE A SECOND, BUT I HAVE A COMMENT OR DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY, HANG ON. 
          COMMISSIONER OFFIT, IT WAS APPARENTLY ALSO TRYING TO SPEAK, WERE YOU JUST SAYING YOU HADN'T HEARD IT EITHER? THAT WAS EXACTLY THE SAME QUESTION I WAS GONNA ASK. 
          OKAY, . 
          SO WE'VE GOT GOT IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONER HARPER. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. 
          I, I'M STRUGGLING HERE. 
          AND, AND ON THE LAST FOR MINUTES, AS HISTORICALLY SMITH, UH, APPROVED VERY SIGNIFICANT DESIGN THAT, AND SO I VOTED AGAINST IT AND WAS ONLY BECAUSE IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY DESIGN OF CLAIMS. THIS COMMISSION, Y'ALL KNOW, LEAST LOST OVER INCHES SOMETIMES AND TOOK OR EVEN AN ENTIRE DESIGN WE NOT SEEN THE, THE REASON I SUPPORTED , IT BASICALLY REFLECTED THAT WE NEED TO SEE THE DESIGN. 
          SO WEARING AN IMPASSE, I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND I LESS WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE AND DON'T  THIS. 
          I DO THINK FEEDBACK IN THE COURTESY OF YOU IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MESSAGE THAT . 
          SO UNFORTUNATELY I THINK WE, YOU ARE, UM, MAKING A POINT AND I HAVE OFTEN, OFTEN ARGUED FOR NOT MAKING CONDITIONS THAT YOU CANNOT DESCRIBE IN WORDS ADEQUATELY ENOUGH THAT WE ALL KNOW PRECISELY WHAT YOU MEANT AND ALMOST NONE OF THE ONES WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY IS THE IDEA TO SOLVE THIS SERVE THAT EXCEPT THE ASSESSMENT OF THE CEILING HEIGHTS. 
          BUT I STILL NOT SURE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THEY DID THAT. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT, WE HAVE AN IMPASSE, SO WE'RE GONNA MAKE A COUPLE MORE COMMENTS IF NECESSARY, BUT THEN WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THIS. 
          WE MAY END UP BACK AT OUR NUCLEAR OPTION. 
          SORRY I USED THAT, BUT I'LL GO BACK AND REDESIGN IT. 
          THAT MAY BE WHERE WE END UP, BUT WE'VE BEEN TRYING, WE RUN THERE. 
          CAN I ASK A QUESTION? OH, OKAY. 
          SORRY , YOU MIGHT AS WELL. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          UH, IT A MATTER OF  TYPE THING AND WHEN WE GET THIS THROUGH, OR DO WE HAVE A DIMENSION AT THE TOP OF THE APEX OF THE BACK OF THE ROOF, THAT BACK PART THAT WE'RE CONCERNED WITH TO THE APEX OF THE FRONT. 
          DO WE HAVE A DIMENSION  THE AUDIO IS GOING OUT, WE CAN'T REALLY HEAR VERY WELL. 
          WE ARE ADDRESSING THE SECTION TO SEE WHAT THE TOTAL CURRENT HEIGHT IS IN THE BACK AND COULD WE MAYBE LOWER IT A COUPLE FEET AND THAT WILL GET US THROUGH. 
          THAT WAS THE CLIENT'S IDEA. 
          SO LET UP WHY WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THAT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO STATE WHAT MY, MY, UH, COMMENTS ON, ON THIS. 
          WE'RE AT SIX CONDITIONS ALREADY ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          WE ADDED TWO MORE VERY SIGNIFICANT MASS CONDITIONS. 
          SO THAT'S SEVEN, EIGHT. 
          WE ARE, WE'RE UP TO EIGHT CONDITIONS TO DO TO DO THIS, THIS PROJECT. 
          AND TWO OF THOSE NEW ADDED CONDITIONS ARE VERY LARGE MASS CHANGES. 
          THINGS CAN CHANGE IN DOMINO SO QUICKLY WHEN, WHEN ONE THING HAS CHANGED. 
          I HAVE DEEP CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING 6, 7, 8 CONDITIONS ON, ON HERE AND, AND VERY SIGNIFICANT IN THIS TO ME, WHEN THERE'S, THERE'S A LAUNDRY LIST OF ITEMS, IT'S STILL IN DESIGN 
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MODE, IT'S STILL IN REVIEW AND, AND SHOULD NOT JUST BE BYPASSED TO TRY TO SHOEHORN TO GET SOMETHING IN. 
          AND WE REALLY HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND I HAVEN'T REALLY, MAYBE WE'RE GETTING SOME COMPROMISE ON BOTH LEVELS HERE, THERE AND WE'RE HERE BECAUSE THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY COMPROMISED TYPE OF DISCUSSIONS. 
          IT'S JUST ALL BEEN FROM THIS SIDE OF THE PANEL TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME ALTERNATES ON THIS SIDE OF THE PANEL. 
          WE'VE ASKED ABOUT CERTAIN HEIGHTS AND CERTAIN AND EVERYTHING HAS BEEN SHOT DOWN AND IT HASN'T BEEN COMPROMISED. 
          WELL I I'M SURE THEY ALL SOUNDED KIND OF HARD, BUT YOU, YOU ARE RIGHT. 
          BUT, BUT THAT'S, WE'RE HERE ALSO. 
          WE HAVE DONE THIS FOREVER. 
          YES. 
          WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE CURRENT MOTION ON THE TABLE OF COMMENT PLEASE. 
          WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THE CURRENT MOTION ON THE TABLE, WHICH I HAVE A FEELING ISN IMPORTANT TO MAKE THE WAY THAT YOU THOUGHT OF THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER MOTION. 
          HAVING RECOGNIZED THAT EIGHT CONDITIONS AND A LOT WE'RE GOING HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS. 
          WE ALWAYS WANNA HELP OUR APPLICANT. 
          WE'VE BEEN TRYING, EITHER WE'VE GONE WRONG OR IT'S JUST NOT THAT EASY, BUT NEED TO CALL VOTE ON THIS. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION ON THE TABLE WHERE YOU BRING THE STORY PART FORWARD. 
          ALL IS IN FAVOR. 
          POLICING? YES, ALL IS OPPOSED. 
          PLEASE SAY NO, NO, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          APPEARS THAT THIS MOTION, THE THIRD ONE HAS FAILED. 
          IT ALSO APPEARS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF GOOD ARGUMENTS FOR HOW, UNLESS IT'S A VERY SMALL I HAVE A MOTION. 
          WELL HANG ON, LET'S LET COMMISSIONER REEVES START SPEAKING BUT HE DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE SPEAKING BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR RIGHT ON. 
          I WAS GONNA ASK COMMISSIONER ANDERSON TO SPEAKING MOTION. 
          WELL, UH, YOU WERE BEATEN TO IT BY COMMISSIONER OFFIT. 
          SO THE OFFICE REGARD, ARE YOU READY? IT HAS TO VOTE FOR ON MOTION I THINK. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER OFFIT, PLEASE MAKE YOUR MOTION, UM, IN RELATION TO STEP TO 26 0 9 EIGHTH STREET CO 8 2 5 0 0 0 3 1 9. 
          I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS AS SUBMITTED AND AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF WITH THE FIVE CONDITIONS IN IMPACT. 
          THERE ARE SIX. 
          IS THAT THAT WHAT YOU MEANT? DID YOU MEAN THE SIX CONDITIONS? MR. FETT? DID YOU MEAN SIX CONDITIONS? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE. 
          YES. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          SIX. 
          WE'LL HAVE A SECOND ON THIS ONE MR. RES A SECOND. 
          HIT THIS ONE. 
          HAVING HAD ALL THE DISCUSSION THAT WE COULD HAVE ABOUT I CALL FOR A VOTE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES. 
          YES. 
          ALL IS OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION. 
          PLEASE SAY NO, NO, NO. 
          WERE THERE ANY YESES OTHER THAN COMMISSIONER PEL? OKAY, THIS MOTION HAS FAILED. 
          I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO REGRETFULLY MAKE THE MOTION REGRETFULLY ON THE MATTER OF 26 0 9 DHAR STREET BO 8 25 3 19. 
          I MOVE THAT WE DENIED WITHOUT  BASED ON THE UM, THE NEGATIVE IMPACT THE DESIGN ESTIMATED WOULD HAVE UPON THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE OVERALL HISTORY. 
          I'M VERY SORRY TO RESORT TO THIS. 
          I COMMEND THE SEPARATE, I COMMEND THE EFFORT FOR THEIR EFFORTS AND THINK THAT NOW WE'VE GOT ENOUGH OPTIONS, SOMETHING BETTER. 
          I CAN PUT THE EXTRA TIME MONEY COMING BUT I, I MOVED TO THIS  RE WAS SECONDED. 
          ALL IS IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION. 
          PLEASE SAY YES, YES, YES. 
          ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER OFFIT IS IN . 
          THE MOTION HAS CARRIED MR. WEST, YOU KNOW YOU STILL CAN'T LEAVE BECAUSE THAT , BUT, UM, YOU CAN APPEAL THIS DECISION TO THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A FEE. 
          THEIR MANDATE IS TO RULE AS TO DECIDE WHETHER WE RULE WRONG. 
          IT IS UP TO YOU TO DECIDE WHETHER YOU WISH TO PAY TO GO THERE AND SAY TAKE YOUR DEBT OR YOU WISH TO CONSIDER OUR ENDLESS SUGGESTIONS, WHICH IS PROBABLY GET YOUR HEAD SPINNING BY NOW AND SEE IF YOU WANNA CORRECT FOR DESIGN. 
          THAT IS ENTIRELY UP TO YOU. 
          AND 
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I'M SORRY THAT THINGS DID NOT GO BETTER. 
          HOW DID WE GO AGAIN? GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS BUT START OVER AGAIN. 
          HOW DID THE  YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY AGAIN? UM, THIS, WE, WE STARTED YOU ONE FEE FOR FOR CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, WE, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT ON THE, OUR END, YOUR ONLY FEE IS IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO THE APPEAL, BUT SEPARATE FEE WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO. 
          HE WAS ASKING BUT IF YOU COME BACK HERE, YEAH, NOT PEAK. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT WE INTENDED. 
          SO NOW THAT MEANS YOU CAN COME BACK AND ASK AGAIN. 
          NO. 
          ALRIGHT, COOL. 
          SO THAT MEANS THAT THIS DIME'S CORRECT AND WE HAVE TO START OVER. 
          THAT MEANS WE COULDN'T GET THIS ONE THROUGH IN FOUR TRIES. 
          UM, SO HAVING HEARD EVERYTHING AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE STAFF, YOU NEED TO DECIDE HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO CHANGE THIS. 
          WHAT DR. 
          JOHN, JUST TAKE WHAT YOU'VE HEARD TODAY AND INCORPORATE BUT IT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY LIKE . 
          YEAH, WE DON'T WANT THE SCRAP THING SO THAT  THAT WE'LL HAVE TO GO TO COURTESY COME BACK. 
          NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A COURTESY INTERVIEW IF YOU DON'T WANT I THAT DR. 
          DUN DUNN  PRESUMABLY LISTEN TO ALL. 
          OKAY, SO YOU HAVE TO STICK AROUND FOR NUMBER FIVE, BUT WE HAVE TO DO NUMBER FOUR FIRST. 
          THAT'S HOW WE ORDER. 
          WE'RE DOING CA JUST HAVE HAVE ANOTHER CALL. 
          OKAY. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS DR. 
          RON DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF. 
          DISCUSSION ITEM D FOUR. 
          OKAY, DISCUSSION ITEM D FOUR. 
          THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 34 26 MYRLE STREET IN QUEEN CITY, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER PRE DESIGNATION MORATORIUM. 
          THE CASE NUMBER IS COA 25 3 8 8. 
          THE REQUEST IS FOR A PRE-DESIGN CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS AS FOLLOWS, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 23 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. 
          ONE THAT DMA SIDING THE ALL WOOD HORIZONTAL LEFT SIDING. 
          TWO THAT WINDOWS A MINIMUM MINIMUM OF TWO BE ADDED TO REAR 50% OF RIGHT ELEVATION. 
          THREE THAT PORCH FRONT, THAT FRONT PORCH COLUMN, BRICK BOTTOMS, REST ON GRADE, IN OTHER WORDS GROUND LEVEL AND BE A MINIMUM OF THREE FEET HIGH. 
          FOUR, THAT EXTERIOR WOOD SIDING BE CONTINUED TO APPROXIMATELY SIX INCHES ABOVE GRADE ON ALL ELEVATIONS. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, A WATER TABLE TRIM BOARD COULD BE INSTALLED TO PROTECT SIDING. 
          FIVE. 
          THE FRONT PORCH FLOORING BE ALL WOOD TONGUE AND GREW WITH DIMENSIONS ONE BY FOUR AND SIX THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH FOUR, THAT 5 0 1 SUBSECTION D FIVE B FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION. 
          NO QUORUM COMMENTS. 
          ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS ASCERTAINED THAT ALL FEEDBACK FROM THE LANDMARK COMMISSION IS CONCLUDED IN FINAL DESIGN. 
          HI. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER ON THIS. 
          STEPHANIE YA PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME, WHAT TO PRONOUNCE AND YOUR ADDRESS AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL STEPHANIE. 
          OKAY, SORRY. 
          YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL. 
          WE'LL TALK CLOSE. 
          OKAY, SO 
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THE SECOND WAS, UH, I THINK THAT MICROPHONE IS TURNED OFF. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S YOU GET CLOSER. 
          OKAY. 
          THE SECOND ONE WAS TO CHANGE THE, THE ROOF DESIGN FOR THE DOORMAT AT THE TOP. 
          WE HAD A GABLE AT FIRST AND TURNED IT TO THE HOOK ROOF AND WE INCREASED THE SIZES OF THE LEAVES. 
          WE'RE CURRENTLY 18 INCHES NOW AND WE ADDED WINDOWS TO THE SIDE. 
          WE'RE ALSO GOING TO ADD MORE BASED ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE MASTER BATHROOM AND THE MASTER CLOSET. 
          AND WE ALSO REDUCED THE WIDTH OF THE HOME SINCE IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE HOUSE WAS TOO WIDE FOR THE LOCK. 
          AND AT THE SAME TIME, BY REDUCING THE WIDTH OF THE HOUSE, WE ADDED A DRIVEWAY TO THE LEFT SIDE. 
          AND I'VE ALSO READ ALL OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM INFLUENCING ALL OF THIS. 
          SO LOOKING FORWARD TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK TODAY AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER THOSE MADE. 
          SO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU HARRIS. 
          MR. COL, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          UM, GOING BACK TO JUST, UM, IN GENERAL HAVING CONCERNS WITH, UH, HAVING TWO FLOOR BUILDING HERE. 
          THIS DESIGN IS SIMILAR TO A FOURSQUARE DESIGN EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT, IT'S KIND OF AN ELONGATED VERSION OF THIS, UH, SO TO SPEAK, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          ON THE FOURSQUARE, UM, WHAT FOUR SQUARE UH, DESIGNS DO WE HAVE IN THIS, THIS DISTRICT? THIS DISTRICT? I'VE SEEN THREE, I THINK ON FOUR SQUARES. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO IT'S, IT'S NOT UM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WHERE IT WOULD BE PROHIBITIVE IF, IF IT WAS IN YOUR EYES ON THE DESIGN, BUT WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE ACHIEVING SOMETHING THAT WOULD'VE BEEN MORE REPRESENTATIVE OR MIGHT BE THE QUESTION HERE, WHETHER OR NOT WE REALLY DO HAVE REPRESENTATION AT TO FOURSQUARE, UH, AND, AND IT'S NOT STRETCHED TOO MUCH ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WAY IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT IF WE'RE CONCERNED THAT KEEPS DOING BETTER. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION FOR STAFF AT THE MOMENT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? , ANYONE AT HOME? OH, WE COVERED OFF, YEAH, SOME QUESTIONS. 
          UM, I APPRECIATE ALL THE GROUPS THAT TAKING OUR SUGGESTIONS FROM, FROM THE LAST SUBMITTAL. 
          I I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL SUGGESTIONS THOUGH TO GET, UH, SOME OF THE DETAILS CLOSER IN ONE. 
          UM, I WAS LOOKING AT THE PLANS AND IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S POSSIBLE TO BE ABLE TO ALIGN ON THE EVENT ELEVATION. 
          THE TWO, UH, CENTRAL WINDOWS BASICALLY MOVE THEM TO THE CENTER OF THE HOME SO THAT THEY'RE DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH THE, UM, THE DORMER. 
          UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE DORMER ITSELF, IF THAT'S IN FACT JUST EVENT OR DID YOU ANTICIPATE BUILDING GLASS IN THERE? SORRY, THERE'S TWO QUESTIONS ILL YOU ANSWER. 
          IT'S THE, OKAY, UM, WE ALIGN THE, UH, ALIGN THE WINDOWS. 
          YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN I'M GONNA FOLLOW UP WITH ON THE PORCH ITSELF, THE, UH, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GONNA FIND, UH, TO BE A, UH, MORE FITTING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE A TABLE ON THAT END INSTEAD OF, UH, SEMI. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING IS JUST THE PROPORTION OF THOSE COLUMNS REALLY WIDE COMPARED TO THE WIDTH. 
          THE PORCH WITH THOSE WERE 14 INCHES TO 16 INCHES WIDE. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S TWO BITS. 
          UH, SIDE BY SIDE ON SIDE. 
          I THINK THAT IF THE, UM, WHEN THE, WHEN THE GABLE COMES OVER THE, THE, I THINK YOU COULD DO THE, THE GABLE OVER THE PORCH MOWING IT. 
          IF YOU STILL GET THOSE FULL TO AND 
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THEY AT THE BOTTOM. 
          UM, BUT I THINK IF, IF ALL THOSE WINDOWS THEN ARE REPLACE SYMMETRICALLY AND WHEN YOU SAY THE, THE COLUMNS, THE BREAK DATES RIGHT? THEY RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY, THEY'RE JUST  ITSELF. 
          SO YEAH, THEY DID HAVE THE SIZE OF  MINIMUM 14 ADDITIONAL. 
          YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WAS THERE SOMEONE AT HOME? I THOUGHT THERE WERE. 
          OKAY, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE, I GUESS APPLICANT. 
          MAY COMMISSIONER KNOW AT FIRST. 
          DID, DID YOU MENTION THE, THE WINDOWS, UH, THE, THE TWO CENTERS ON THE FRONT BEING LINE? YOU MENTIONED THAT, DIDN'T YOU? OKAY. 
          THAT WAS IN THE BACK OF MY HEAD. 
          I KNOW I WAS THINKING ABOUT OTHER, THAT WAS CONCERN THAT THOSE WINDOWS NOT BEING ALIGNED ON THE, WHERE IT WAS. 
          UM, OKAY, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          GRAPHICALLY STAYING ON WINDOW, UM, HAS IT BEEN ADDRESSED THAT I'M MISSING? UH, THE, MAYBE LIKE ON THE SIDE ELEVATION OR THE REAR ELEVATION I SHOULD SAY IT'S, UH, SIDE. 
          I WAS JUST WONDERING, JUST MAKING SURE WE HAD UH, NO BIG BLANK AREAS WITHOUT WINDOWS AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE PROPOSAL ATION. 
          I THOUGHT I HAD LIVED THAT DOWN THE SIDE ELEVATION. 
          THE, UH, THEY WERE FINE. 
          UH, WINDOWS IF YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THERE WAS ENOUGH FENESTRATIONS AND OPENINGS. 
          UH, CERTAIN POPULAR LOT OF BLANK SPACES TOO. 
          ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? IF NOT, MARK, I HAVE ANSWER. 
          GO AHEAD THERE. 
          ANY DISCUSSION ITEM 4 34 26 MOLE STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS COA TWO FIVE DASH THREE EIGHT? YEAH, WE DO, WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND ALL. 
          UM, THE CONDITIONS WILL BE UH, TWO, TWO ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT THE, UM, WINDOWS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION, THE, UM, THE CENTRAL ONES BE ALONG AND TO THE CENTER OF THE HOME AND LET THE PORCH BE, UH, A TABLE RATHER THAN A SHED AT THE TWO FRONT MOMS UNDERNEATH THAT PORCH AREA. 
          THESE TO BOARD WIDE. 
          SORRY, THAT MR. THE WINDOW THAT'S UNDER THE WINDOW. 
          OKAY. 
          I MY MIND  HAPPENS AT THIS AGAIN. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THERE'S NO, I HAVE DISCUSSION. 
          DISCUSSION. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          ABOUT TO STAY ON THE WINDOWS AGAIN. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M MIC MAYBE GETTING FOGGY. 
          UM, WHEN WE CENTER THOSE, UH, ARE WE, UH, WE FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT IT IS, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S, HAS THIS BEEN ADDRESSED? THE LEFT WINDOW, THE SECOND FLOOR WINDOW ABOVE THE PORCH, THE DISTANCE TO THE EDGE OF THE HOUSE SEEMS SMALLER THAN THE SPACE. 
          HAS THAT BEEN ADDRESSED? NO. 
          SO, SO THESE WINDOWS ARE NOT REALLY, UH, SYMMETRIC AND THEY'RE NOT REALLY, UH, PLAYING OFF OF THE CENTER BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S LIKE THREE FEET, THREE THEY'RE AND HALF FEET OF THE RIGHT ONES FROM THE EDGE AND THE OTHER ONES LOOK LIKE IT'S ABOUT TWO FEET. 
          UH, SO WHEN WE PUT THE CENTER WINDOWS IN THE CENTER, YOU'RE ACTUALLY STILL GONNA HAVE MORE SPACE IN BETWEEN THE LEFT SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS AND THE CENTER WINDOW. 
          THERE'LL BE MORE SPACE THERE THAN THERE WILL BE ON THE RIGHT SIDE. 
          SO IT, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW, IT JUST, IT WON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S THE CENTER OF THE HOUSE, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE IN THE CENTER OF THOSE TWO WINDOWS. 
          SO THEREFORE IT'S JUMPS OFF WHERE IT'S NOT CORRECT. 
          IT'S BETTER, BUT IT WON'T BE, IT'S NOT SYMMETRIC AND, AND YOU KNOW, IN A FOUR 
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SQUARE, YOU WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE SYMMETRIC ON, ON SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. 
          I'LL MAKE IT A   PLEASE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. 
          UM, THAT, UM, THE, THE WINDOWS THAT ARE ON THE EAST AND THE WEST, UH, BLACK ELEVATION, WOULD THEY BE THE, THE SAME DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE CORNER IN OTHER WORDS? YEAH, I, THE ONES ON UNDERSTAND. 
          I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          WE CAN LEAVE THE ONES ON THE RIGHT, REMOVE THE ONES ON THE LEFT, INCLUDING THE PORCH ON THE FRONT DOOR SO THAT THEY ARE ACCEPT. 
          AYE THE SECOND DEGREE IS, BUT THEY CHANGED. 
          ALRIGHT, SO ARE WE READY FOR A VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? BIG MOTION FOR EXHIBIT? YES. 
          YES. 
          ANY OPPOSED MS. MOTION? NO. 
          MR. ANDERSON IS OPPOSED. 
          WERE THERE ANY OTHERS IN OPPOSITION? ALL THE MS. MOTION HAS CARRIED AND THAT MEANS WE CAN GO FORTH WITH YOUR DESIGN WITH THESE CHANGES IN PLACE WITH WHICH YOU MUST WORK ? NO. 
          WITH WHICH YOU MUST WORK WITH STAFF. 
          . 
          IT'S BEEN A HARD DAY FOR YOU TOO. 
          YOU NEVER DO MUCH UNTIL NOW. 
          . 
          AND, UH, WE WISH YOU WELL ON, ON YOUR, ON YOUR CONSTRUCTION. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          IT'S NOW TIME FOR D FIVE BUT WE WELCOME TO FILL WEST BACK. 
          DOES EVERYBODY WANNA TAKE A LITTLE BREAK OR WILL IT JUST BE ME LEAVING OFF THE COMMISSIONER OR NO? HERE. 
          SO EVERYBODY DOES WANNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK, LITERALLY FIVE MINUTES. 
          WE'RE BACK AT 3 38. 
          SO YOU'RE JUST RUNNING TO THE RESTROOM? YOU HAVE TO OR ANY ONE NECESSARY? FIVE MINUTE BREAK. 
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OKAY, I THINK OUR FIVE MINUTES ARE UP AND IT'S TIME FOR US FOR TURN OR APPLICANTS NOT THAT WE CAN TELL OUR APPLICANT WE'RE READY TO BEGIN. 
          LIKE TO LET BEGIN. 
          WE NEED RHONDA BECAUSE SHE'S GOTTA READ IT INTO, OKAY, LET'S GET STARTED AGAIN. 
          MARCUS WILL READ IT INTO THE RECORD. 
          THIS IS D FIVE. 
          D FIVE. 
          D FIVE. 
          D FIVE IS LOCATED AT 38 24 MYRTLE STREET IN THE QUEEN CITY THREE DESIGNATION MORATORIUM CO EIGHT DASH TWO FIVE DASH 3 21. 
          I AM MARCUS WATSON READING IT INTO THE RECORD. 
          RIGHT. 
          DR. 
          RHONDA DUNN WILL PRESENT SHORTLY. 
          THE REQUEST IS FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT THE NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON THE VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN A ACCORDANCE TO DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 18 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. 
          ONE THAT PAIRED AND DAN WINDOWS WE SEPARATED BY EMBOL FROM, FROM VOLUMES IE OF OF WOOD TRIM PIECE WITH A MINIMUM WIDTH OF FOUR INCHES. 
          BLOCK CONDITION NUMBER TWO THAT WINDOWS THE ALL WOOD FRAME NOT PLAID WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION. 
          ONE OVER ONE CONDITION THREE THAT PORCHED AND MAY ABLE BE PLAID WITH ALL WOOD HORIZONTAL LAP SIDING OR WOOD SHAPED SINGLE SHINGLES. 
          FOUR. 
          THAT EXTERIOR LIGHTING BE  STYLE FIVE. 
          THAT FRONT PORCH COLUMN BRICK COLUMN RESTS ON GRADE AT GROUND LEVEL AND BE A MINIMUM OF 14 INCHES WIDE. 
          AND SIX, THAT DRIVEWAY WALKWAYS STEP VIA A BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET DEFENDANT IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A. 
          THAT'S 4.50135 B FOR NON-CONSUMABLE INSTRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INFERIOR GUIDELINES SETTING DISTRICT TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION. 
          NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS ASCERTAINED THAT ALL FEEDBACK FROM THE LANDMARK PERMISSION IS INCLUDED IN THE FINAL DESIGN, RIGHT MR. WEST. 
          THE MICROPHONE IS ON. 
          I HAD TO TALK TO YOU ALL IN A WHILE. 
          I, I KNOW WE MISSED YOU A LOT AND UM, I'M GLAD YOU CAN STILL SMILE. 
          YOU HAVE A LOVELY SMILE BUT YOU PLEASE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL US, YOU'LL TELL THE TRUTH AGAIN. 
          EVERYTHING YOU ALREADY DID ALL THAT. 
          UM, WOULD YOU TELL US WHAT YOU WANT US TO KNOW ABOUT THE PROJECT? THIS ONE STORY. 
          . 
          . 
          SO THIS IS ENTIRELY TOO TALL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UH, UM, I TOOK Y'ALL'S RECOMMENDATIONS LAST TIME AND TOOK OUT THAT FLAT ROOF AND PROVIDED THAT EXTENSION OF THE GABLE. 
          UH, WE MADE THOSE CHANGES TO THOSE FRONT COLUMNS 
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TO UH, PROVIDE THAT BRICK BASE AND HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 
          WE TAKE THAT BRICK BASE ALL THE WAY DOWN THE GRADE. 
          UM, WE ALSO NOT SEEN IN THE RENDERING, BUT IT IS MADE OF NOTE, UH, FOR COMMISSIONER REDONE. 
          I'M SORRY, DID I SAY ABOUT, ALRIGHT, PERFECT. 
          COMMISSIONER LENO, UH, ACT WAS EXPOSED AFTER TAIL, SO MADE, MADE SURE TO MAKE THAT NOTE ON THE ELEVATION. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON. 
          SO WE WANNA FROM HERE, MR. ANDERSON, UM, ALL THESE RECOMME ALL THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, CONDITIONS ARE, IS THAT IN THE DRAWINGS WE'RE SEEING TODAY, HAS IT BEEN REVIVED? DR. 
          D, THE WINDOWS 1 0 1, ALL WOOD, THEY ARE IN THE DRAWINGS. 
          WE ARE SEEING TODAY THE PAIRED AND GANG WINDOWS WITH VOLUME IN BETWEEN. 
          YOU HAVEN'T MADE THOSE SHEET. 
          WE CAN MAKE SURE . 
          OKAY, HE'S GONNA WORK ON THAT. 
          I THINK FOUR OUT OF SIX HE'S STILL WORKING. 
          IT WOULD BE INCREDIBLY HELPFUL FOR US, THE COMMISSIONER, IF THE STAFF COULD MAKE NOTE THAT THE TASK FORCE OR STAFF CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN MET IN THE DRAWING. 
          PROCEED TODAY BECAUSE IT'S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO LOOK AT ALL OF THESE, LOOK AT A DRAWING AND THEN SOMETIMES IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S REALLY GOOD. 
          SOMETIMES I DON'T KNOW IF IT LOOKS GOOD, THAT'D BE REALLY HELPFUL THAT WE WOULD KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION WITH THAT. 
          UM, THE FENCE IS SHOWN TO GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          IS THAT IN THEIR ORDINANCE THAT THEY CAN DO THAT? IS IT A 50% RULE LIKE MOST ALL THE OTHER ONES? NO. 
          IT'S, AND ARE THEY DOING, MAYBE THEY'RE, ARE THEY NOT DOING THE FENCE AT THIS PARTY? WE'RE NOT DOING THE FENCE. 
          SO THE FENCE IS NOT IN THIS APPLICATION? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, IT, IT, IT NEEDS TO BE NOTED THAT IT'S NOT IN THE, IN THIS APPLICATION IF IT'S DRAWN, JUST IT NEEDS TO BE A NOTE ON THERE SAYING THIS IS NOT APPROVED YET. 
          NIC ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONER? ALRIGHT, I NEED A MOTION. 
          I JUST WANTED TO, UH, THE, UH, AGAIN, I COURT CASE MARTIN SAN DIEGO GOT THEIR NEIGHBORS TALK. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THESE ARE ALL ABOUT. 
          I HAVE MOTION WHAT'S GOING REGARDING SIGNIFICANT 34 MYRTLE SUITE, ALSO KNOWN AS CA 5 3 2, 1 THAT WE THREE FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND INCLUDING THEIR CONDITION. 
          SECOND. 
          MR. MARIE WAS THE FIRST SECOND AGAIN, I ON READY? WE'VE HAD OUR SECOND RIGHT? YEAH, WE HAD OUR SECOND. 
          UM, I JUST HAD A CONCERN ON THE, ON THE ELEVATIONS. 
          IT'S NOT SHOWING CORNER BOARDS. 
          I ASSUME THERE'S CORNER BOARDS ON THE JOINT. 
          I MEAN NOT THAT'S GONNA BE CONSTRUCTED BUT THERE IS NONE. 
          SO IF IT WAS S BUILT AS IT'S SHOWN, IT WOULD JUST BE THESE MINOR . 
          SO THERE, THERE WILL BE CO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? ALRIGHT AND I CALL FOR A VOTE ON THIS MOTION. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY YES. 
          YES, YES. 
          ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, THIS MOTION APPEARED PREPARED UNANIMOUSLY AND YOU CAN GO BUILD THIS ONE. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          WITH CORNER BOARDS? YES MA'AM. 
          OH, WE HOPE TO SEE YOU BACK. 
          WE, WE LIKE YOU, YOU FINE. 
          AND NOW WE'RE ALSO GOOD FRIENDS. 
          I MEAN I'VE SEEN MORE OF YOU. 
          I HAVE MY HUSBAND IN THE PAST. 
          YOU PROBABLY MA'AM. 
          Y'ALL SEE ME AGAIN? OKAY, NEXT UP IS DISCUSSION ITEM SEVEN. 
          DISCUSSION ITEM SEVEN. 
          THIS IS DR. 
          RHONDA GUM PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFFS. 
          THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 28 0 1 
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SWEN AVENUE. 
          IT'S IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THE CASE NUMBER IS COA 25 3 7 2. 
          THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT CORNER BLOCK. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS AS FOLLOWS, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, A HUNDRED VACANT CORNER, LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH JOINTS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 23 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. 
          ONE THAT BUILDING'S FRONT SET SETBACK VIA MAXIMUM OF 30 FEET. 
          LIKE I SAID, I MIGHT WANNA TAKE THAT ONE OUT. 
          TWO. 
          THAT DRIVEWAY BE 10 FEET IN WIDTH AND EXTEND FROM THE ESTABLISHED CURB. 
          CURB CUT TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING ALIGNING WITH THE REAR EXTERIOR WALL ON THE RIGHT SIDE. 
          AND THREE THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE A BRUSH FINISHED. 
          CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. 
          SECTION 3.3 UNDER BUILDING SITE AND LANDSCAPING SECTIONS 9.3, 9.6 AND 9.7 UNDERNEATH CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND ADDITION THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G, BIG C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT CORNER. 
          LOT BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND COMMENTS THAT THE FOUNDATION HEIGHT BE LOWER TO 18 INCHES ABOVE GRADE. 
          AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER REGISTERED THIS MARIO REYES HAVE SPEAKER ON WITH US ONLINE. 
          UH, I'M HERE. 
          I'M SO SORRY. 
          UH, I'M TO YOU. 
          UH, IT JUST, I I CAN'T, UM, OKAY. 
          MY VIDEO. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE YOU ARE. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I NEED YOU TO BEGIN. 
          WELCOME TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION, . 
          I NEED YOU TO BEGIN BY STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND SWEARING OR AFFIRMING TO TELL THE TRUTH. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MY NAME IS REYES AND, UH, PROPERTY ADDRESS. 
          IT'S, UH, 40 28 0 1 AYMAN. 
          AND YEAH, I AFFIRMED, I'M GONNA TELL WHAT THE TRUTH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE ARE HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE HEARING YOU, SO YOU MAY NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK UP AND BE AWARE OF YOUR FAVORITE IS, UM, OH, OKAY. 
          UM, TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, WE ARE, I, I BELIEVE THAT I EVERYONE, SO VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAD, THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD THE LAST TIME WAS TO, UH, REDUCE THE, THE FOUNDATION HEIGHT TO ONLY 18 INCHES FROM, FROM THE EXISTING GRADE. 
          AND, UM, THIS IS, UH, LIKE NOW WE HAVE 18 FOOT AND, UH, UH, LET ME, LET ME JUST, LEMME CHECK. 
          UH, 18, 18 FEET AND SIX INCHES, UM, TO THE TOP OF THE RIDGE. 
          UM, THE HOUSE HAS, UH, ALL WOOD, UH, SIDING, UH, TRIM AND FASCIA, UH, SATE. 
          EVERYTHING IS WOOD. 
          UH, WE HAVE, UH, 1 0 5 SIDING YELLOW PINE FOR THE WALLS AND, UM, UH, WEATHER, WOOD ARCHITECTURE, SHINGLES, ROOF, EVERYTHING IS ROUGH. 
          MINE STYLE, UH, FOR THE FRONT DOOR, IT'S SOLID WOOD. 
          AND, UM, YEAH, UM, BASICALLY THAT'S, UH, EVERYTHING, UH, WHAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY. 
          BUT, UM, I MEAN THE, THE MAIN CHANGE WAS TO REDUCE, UH, BY SIX INCHES, THE, THE FOUNDATION AND TO CLARIFY, UH, THE MATERIALS FOR THE FRONT DOOR. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SIR. 
          ERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          UH, IT IS FOR THE APPLICANT ON THE WINDOW SIZES. 
          UM, WE'VE LABELED THEM AS 30 BY 72, UM, PARTICULARLY ON THE ELEVATION. 
          SO SEE, I'M THINKING THE, THE SEAL IS LIKELY GONNA BE JUST 12 INCHES ABOVE THE FLOOR. 
          THEY, THEY SEEM LARGE FOR THIS SCALE OF ONE. 
          UM, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO, IF YOU, THEM TO, UM, 35 60 
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KEEPING THE ? YEAH, THE, THE SIZE OF THE WINDOWS THAT WE HAVE, UH, IT'S, UH, 36 BY 60. 
          UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE SIZE THAT WE HAVE ON THE DRAWINGS AND ALSO FOR THE SCHEDULE ON THE PAGE NUMBER THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          ON THE ELEVATION. 
          I WAS, I WAS READING OFF THE ELEVATION. 
          NO, THAT, THAT SOUNDS GREAT. 
          UM, THE SECOND, QUITE RELATIVE, UH, I GOT TWO MORE, SORRY. 
          UM, THE SECOND ONE IS THAT THE, UM, THE PAIR WINDOWS PLUS THE FRONT DOOR, UM, IT SEEMS PRETTY CROWDED ON THE FRONT PORCH. 
          UM, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO TAKING ONE OF THOSE WINDOWS AND PUTTING IT ON THE, THE WEST ELEVATION RATHER THAN ON THE FRONT? AND THEN, UM, I THINK THOSE WOULD BE SPACED A LITTLE BIT BETTER WITH, WITH ROOM AROUND THEM. 
          UM, THE SECOND PART OF THAT WOULD BE THAT, UM, THE FRONT PORCH RIGHT NOW, UM, YOUR, YOUR CEILING DON'T HAVE A, UM, A BEAM TO REST ON. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, THE, UM, THE COLUMNS ARE TOO TALL. 
          THERE SHOULD BE A BEAM UNDERNEATH, IN OTHER WORDS, WHERE YOU LABELED THE EIGHT INCH SEAT BEAM, THAT TRUCTURE, THAT WOULD BE RIGHT BELOW THAT. 
          UM, SO YOU NEED TO ADD A, YOU KNOW, EIGHT INCHES OR SO, DROP THAT, UM, DROP BETTER AND YOUR CEILING STAYS AT WHERE THE BOTTOM OF THE IS. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YOU CAN'T REALLY BUILD IT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, WE HAVE, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A BEAM FOR THE FRONT PORCH, UH, JUST, JUST BELOW THE RAFTERS. 
          UH, AND, AND WE, UH, WE ARE MARK, YOU KNOW, WE MARK, UM, H EIGHT INCH, UH, CEILING BOARD ON, YOU KNOW, ON TOP OF IT. 
          SO, UH, BUT, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S, I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATION, IT'S UM, IT'S ALMOST LIKE 12 INCHES BELOW. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM OF THE BEAM IS EIGHT 12 INCHES BELOW THE, THE CEILING HEIGHT. 
          SO, UH, OKAY. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAVE A BEAM THERE AND THAT, THAT SHOULD WORK. 
          YEAH, I THINK THE ELEVATION MIGHT BE OFF JUST A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE WAY YOU'RE DESCRIBING IT SOUNDS CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW, UM, FOR THE, FOR THE WINDOWS THAT YOU, YOU JUST MENTIONED, UM, WE, UH, I MEAN, UH, THE, THE PREVIOUSLY, I MEAN THE PAST MEETINGS THAT WE HAD, UH, WE ONLY, UH, I MEAN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS WERE TO MOVE THOSE TWO WINDOWS A LITTLE BIT TO THE LEFT SIDE AND, UM, IN ORDER TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, UM, A WIDER SPACE BETWEEN THE CORNER AND THE WINDOWS. 
          BUT, UM, SO NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE, WE NEED TO REDUCE TO ONLY ONE WINDOW ON THE RIGHT SIDE, RIGHT? IS THAT OKAY? YEAH, WE STILL KEEP THE QUANTITY OF WINDOWS, JUST MOVE ONE OF THEM TO THE SIDE. 
          THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT LOSING ANY OF THE NATURAL LIGHT RIGHT NOW. 
          DON'T, OH, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          DO IT. 
          YEAH. 
          DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? IF NOT, DOES SOMEONE HAVE MOTION? UH, SORRY. 
          . 
          OH GOOD. 
          A MOTION. 
          I, I, I JUST, I JUST FORGOT TO ASK YOU. 
          UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT WE NEED TO SEPARATE A LITTLE BIT. 
          UH, THE, THE WINDOWS, WE HAVE SIX INCHES NOW. 
          UM, WHAT SHOULD BE THE, THE DIMENSION BETWEEN EACH WINDOW? I MEAN BETWEEN BOTH WINDOWS? YEAH. 
          WHENEVER THEY'RE GANGED TOGETHER, SIX INCHES IS GOOD. 
          OR YOU KNOW, FIVE AND A HALF. 
          THAT'S KIND OF THE SIZE OF THE, THE ACTUAL SIZE OF THE, UM, IN THE SEPARATOR. 
          YEAH, LIKE ON YOUR SIDE ELEVATION, UH, YOU'VE GOT THE GANG. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          FIVE, FOUR AND A HALF, FIVE AND A HALF, SOMEWHERE AROUND IN THAT REGION IS. 
          OKAY. 
          WERE THERE ANY OTHER 
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QUESTIONS? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'VE GOT A, UM, MOTION, UH, REGARDING 28 0 1 AVENUE, ALSO KNOWN AS COA FIVE DASH 3 7 2. 
          UH, WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ALONG WITH THEIR CONDITIONS WITH THE ADDITIONAL THAT, UM, THE GO AHEAD ELEVATION, UM, UNDERNEATH THE PORCH OF ONE WINDOW AND THAT THE SECOND WINDOW BE MOVED TO THE WEST ELEVATION. 
          AND THAT'S THE ONE. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND MR. LEAVES ANY DISCUSSION CASE I CALL FOR THE VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION SAY YES. 
          YES, YES. 
          ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION HERE? IT IS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 
          I, I KNOW WE'LL SEE YOU BACK IN A MOMENT MR. REYES, BUT UH, YOU'RE DONE WITH THIS ONE. 
          IT'S READY TO GO. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          HAPPY JANE AND THANK YOU SO MUCH ING. 
          OKAY, SO WE'VE HAD A YES. 
          DISCUSSION ITEM D EIGHT. 
          I'M AWAY . 
          OKAY. 
          DISCUSSION ITEM D EIGHT. 
          THIS IS DR. 
          RDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF THE STAFF. 
          THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 28 22 MACDERMOT AVENUE, THE WHEATLEY PLACE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THE CASE NUMBER IS COA 25 3 0 9. 
          THE REQUEST OR AS FOLLOWS, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR ALTER FENESTRATION OF REAR HORIZONTAL ADDITION, INCLUDING MOVING REAR EXTERIOR DOOR TO THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION AND AN AT AND THEN ADD AND ADDING A WINDOW TO THE REAR ELEVATION. 
          REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE ROOF OF ROYAL HORIZON. 
          ADDITION INCLUDES STRUCTURAL REPAIRS AND PROFILE OBSERVATION. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, A MODIFICATION IN LEAK FORM FROM PYRAMIDAL, WHICH WAS UNAUTHORIZED WITH SHE GAVE THREE. 
          THE THIRD REQUEST, THIS IS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL WINDOWS TOTAL EIGHT EXISTING WINDOWS OR WOOD FRAME REPLACING ALSO VINYL  REPLACING WITH ALUMINUM FRAME LIGHT CONFIGURATION 1 0 1. 
          ALSO SOME UNAUTHORIZED WORKERS DIRECTOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST TO ALTER FENESTRATION OF REAR HORIZONTAL ION, INCLUDING MOVING REAR EXTERIOR DOOR TO THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION AND ADDING A WINDOW TO THE REAR ELEVATION BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWING AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 22 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION. 
          THAT NEW SIDE DOOR VIA PANEL  IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CODE SECTION 51 A 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN AT ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST TO REPLACE THE ROOF OF RARE HORIZONTAL POSITION IN SPEECH STRUCTURAL REPAIRS AND PROP OPERATION. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, A MODIFICATION IN ROOF FORM FROM AL UNAUTHORIZED WORK TO DAVID BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWING AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 23 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT SO FACIA AND NEW TABLE WALL PATTERN IN ALL WOOD IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE POST WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. 
          SECTION 9.7 PERTAINING TO VISION THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 15 ONE A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G, THAT C  ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST TO REPLACE ALL WINDOWS TOTAL EIGHT EXISTING WINDOWS OF WOOD FRAME REPLACING WITH ALUMINUM FRAME LIKE CONFIGURATION. 
          ONE OF THE ONE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE TO ONE AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 22 10 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. 
          ONE THAT LEFT FRONT WINDOW LABELED 
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TWO IN SURVEY WINDOW SURVEY AND TWO RIGHT SIDE WINDOW LABELED FOUR AND FIVE IN SURVEY. 
          THE ALL WOOD NO FLATTING WITH LIKE CONFIGURATION OF ONE OF THE ONES AND THAT ANY RESIZED ENCLOSED WINDOW OPENS IN RETURN OR RATHER REOPENED TO THE ORIGINAL DIMENSION. 
          SPECIFICALLY THE WINDOW OF THE LEFT PROJECTION LABELED NUMBER ONE IN THE CENTER IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. 
          SECTION 5.1 AND 5.2 UNDER WINDOWS AND DOORS STANDARD AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ONE INSTRUCTORS AND THE SECRETARY OF THE JURY STANDARDS FOR REHABIL REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO ALTER FENESTRATION OF REAR HORIZONTAL ADDITION, INCLUDING MOVING REAR EXTERIOR DOOR TO THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION AND ADDING A WINDOW TO THE REAR ELEVATION TO BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED. 
          NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST TO REPLACE ROOF OF REAR HORIZONTAL ADDITION INCLUDES STRUCTURAL REPAIRS AND PROFILE ALTERATIONS. 
          IEA MODIFICATION IN ROOF FORM FROM PYRAMIDAL UNAUTHORIZED AWARD TO GABLE TO BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT THE ROOF BE RECONFIGURED TO PROFILE APPROPRIATE FOR A SHOTGUN HOUSE. 
          NUMBER THREE, THE REQUEST TO REPLACE ALL WINDOWS TOTAL EIGHT EXISTING WINDOWS ARE WOOD FRAME REPLACING WITH ALUMINUM FRAMED LIGHT CONFIGURATION. 
          ONE OVER ONE BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION. 
          THAT WINDOW ON LEFT PROJECTION BE REOPENED. 
          AND THANK YOU. 
          DO YOU HAVE  SPEAKERS ON? THAT'S IS WILL THE SILVA AVAILABLE ONLINE? YES. 
          AND UH, I, CAN YOU HEAR ME IF WE HAVE A PRESENTATION UP? I CAN'T SEE EVERYBODY ONLINE. 
          WE DO HAVE TO BE VISIBLE. 
          THE CAMERA HAS TO BE ON, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL TALK, BUT, UH, DO YOU SEE ME? UH, NO, BUT I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE OF OUR SCREEN. 
          I DON'T EVEN SEE YOUR SQUARE. 
          THERE YOU ARE. 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          SO WHAT WE NEED YOU TO DO, SIR, IS START BY GIVING US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND PROMISING OR SWEARING CODE. 
          PERFECT. 
          UH, MY NAME IS JORDAN DE SILVA. 
          THIS PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 28 22 MCDERMOTT, AND I SWEAR TO UPHOLD THE TRUTH. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW IF WE TAKE, UH, THREE MINUTES OR SO OR LESS, YOU TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT AND WHAT WE THERE. 
          PERFECT. 
          AND I, I APOLOGIZE A LITTLE AUDIO ON YOUR SIDE. 
          I'M HAVING TROUBLE HEARING, BUT I'LL JUST GIVE A QUICK STORY ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          SO WE INITIALLY GOT THE CA FOR THE, UH, REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS AND SIDING AS WELL AS REPLACING THE ROOF. 
          UM, AND THEN WE APPLIED FOR A, UH, PERMIT WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS INSPECTION OFFICE, WHICH APPROVED THE STRUCTURAL CHANGES TO MAKE THE ROOF, UH, MORE STRUCTURALLY, UH, HAVE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY. 
          AND THAT WAS APPROVED. 
          AND SO WE BEGAN THAT WORK. 
          AND THEN IT WAS A, IT WAS TOLD TO US LATER ON, AFTER WE HAD ALREADY FINISHED A MAJORITY OF THE WORK THAT WE HAD TO GET A CA FOR, UH, THE ROOF STRUCTURAL WORK AS WELL. 
          AND SO THAT, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE UNAPPROVED WORK THERE. 
          'CAUSE THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING ON MY END OF NEEDING TO GET THAT FROM CA SINCE I, I GOT THE APPROVAL FROM CITY OF DALLAS, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED. 
          UM, AND SO WE WENT WITH TASK FORCE AND WE KIND OF THOUGHT THROUGH, OKAY, HOW DO YOU MAKE THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURALLY INTACT WHILE ALSO MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY OF THE HISTORICAL, UH, FACADE AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, FRONTAGE. 
          SO THIS IS WHAT WE CAME UP WITH. 
          THESE LATEST PLANS HAVE BEEN TALKED THROUGH, AND ALSO THE TASK FORCE WENT AND VISITED THE PROPERTY, UH, AND WE WERE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A, A LAYOUT THAT MADE THE MOST SENSE FOR THEM. 
          UH, AND IT HAS PRECEDENT FOR OTHER, UH, SIMILAR SHOTGUN HOMES THAT HAVE, UH, ADDITIONS THAT WERE MAYBE DONE, YOU KNOW, DECADES AGO AS WELL. 
          AND WERE, UM, STILL FITTING IN WITH WITHIN THE FRAME OF A SHOTGUN HOUSE. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF, OF THAT, UH, ADDITION AND THE, AND THE HOUSE IN, IN ITS ENTIRETY. 
          SO ALL THE THINGS LISTED HERE, WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL BE DONE WITH THE TASK FORCE TO, TO FIND THE BEST WAY TO, UH, MAINTAIN THAT HISTORICAL INTEGRITY AND ALSO MAKE, MAKE IT A STRUCTURALLY INTACT HOME. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER LISTED. 
          JOSH SEFER? YEAH, I, YES MA'AM, I'M JOSH. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          BUT YOU, YOU CAN GO 
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AHEAD JOSH. 
          HI JOSH. 
          DO YOU NEED TO SEE JOSH AS WELL? AND THERE YOU ARE. 
          OKAY. 
          JOSH, WE NEED YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. 
          UH, YES, MY NAME IS JOSHUA CIPHER. 
          I'M THE DIRECTOR OF CONSTRUCTION AT WEB CITY PROPERTIES. 
          UH, PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 28 22 MCDERMOTT AVENUE. 
          AND YES, I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD? WHAT MR. DESILVA TOLD THAT, UH, JUST BASICALLY THE SAME THING WE'RE JUST REQUEST APPROVAL TO CHANGE, CHANGE THE BACK ADDITION ROOF LINE FROM THE NON-APPROVED HIP ROOF AND REPLACE IT WITH THE GABLE ROOF TO MIRROR THE FRONT GABLE. 
          UH, THE EXISTING ROOF FRAMING WAS ALSO RE REPLACED DUE TO THE DI DILAPIDATION OF THE, UH, THE FRAMING IN GENERAL JUST, IT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HOLD THE WEIGHT OF THE ROOF FOR, FOR VERY LONG, SO WE'D REPLACE IT ALL. 
          UM, WE ALSO, YEAH, WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE TASK FORCE ON THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, THE PLANS THAT WE HAVE HAVING A HIP SET BACK FROM THE FACE OF THE HOUSE, UH, AGAIN, ARE PRECEDENT, UH, SET BY OTHER SHOTGUN HOUSES IN THE DISTRICT. 
          SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR GIVING CONSIDERATION. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          UH, NOW, UH, COMMISSIONERS, WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE FOR APPLICANT? JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE CLARIFICATION ON THE, UM, ON THE ALTERATION YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE ROOF THAT THE, THE GABLE ONLY NEEDS TO FACE THE FRONT, BUT WE CAN THEN THAT THE BOTTOM OF THE REAR IN THAT MASS OF THE, THAT WIDE MASS OF THE HOME. 
          BUT, UM, YEAH, IT'S BASICALLY HAVE TWO GABLES FACING IN THE FRONT. 
          CORRECT. 
          THERE'LL BE TWO BIG TWO GABLES IN THE FRONT DUE TO THE ADDITIONS THAT WERE PUT ON THE ORIGINAL SHOTGUN HOUSE. 
          THE ORIGINAL, THE, THE SHOTGUN HOUSE, UM, IS GONNA HAVE THE ORIGINAL GABLE AND THEN WE'LL GRAB A, A TALLER GABLE OFF THE BACK ADDITIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I THINK THERE WAS ALSO A, THE SIDING, UM, ONE 17, I HAD TROUBLE HEARING YOU THERE THAT THE, UM, THAT THE EXISTING OR THAT THE SIDING THAT YOU ARE REPLACING ON THE HOME, UH, THE 1 7 2. 
          YEAH. 
          YES, JORDAN DID SAY, YEAH. 
          YEAH, WE, WE, THAT WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING WITH US AND OUR CONTRACTOR. 
          SO WE'LL GET THAT CORRECTED TO THE ONE 17. 
          OKAY. 
          DID, OH, I THOUGHT YOU DID. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE BOTH THOUGHT YOU DID, BUT WE WERE WRONG. 
          ALL. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OR A MOTION? OR A MOTION? I'M LOOKING PAST COMMISSIONER LENO TO OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE I SAY WHATEVER , I'LL MAKE A MOTION. 
          WHO IS THAT? GO AHEAD, MR. TAYLOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER TAYLOR FOR THE CASE AT 2 8 2 2 MCDERMOT UH, AVENUE CO 8 2 5, UH, 0 0 0 0 9. 
          I MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, AND ACCORDANCE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SECOND, I SECOND WAS SUBMISSION CUMMINGS, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, MOVE TO MAKE THE VOTE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. 
          YEAH. 
          YES, YES. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THIS? OPPOSED. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS MOTION APPEARS TO HAVE CARRIED. 
          SO CONGRATULATIONS. 
          YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH COMPLETING THIS DESIGN. 
          PLEASE DO CONTACT STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NO MISTAKES MADE. 
          YOU WOULD NOT WANT THAT TROUBLE WITH YOU. 
          YOU WANNA GET IT DONE ALREADY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BYE-BYE. 
          OKAY, THAT LEADS US NEXT IS D NINE  DISCUSSION ITEM D NINE. 
          THIS IS DR. 
          RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF DUTY STAFF. 
          SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 36 21 MEYER STRING AND THE WHEATLEY PLACE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THE CASE NUMBER IS COA 25 3 7 3. 
          THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON OF UPDATE BLOCK. 
          STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS AS FOLLOWS, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH JOINTS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 17 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. 
          ONE THAT BUILDING'S FRONT SETBACK BE ALIGNED WITH THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS TO THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT TO THE DRIVEWAY. 
          BE 10 FEET IN WIDTH AND EXTEND FROM THE ESTABLISHED CURB CUT TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, ALIGNING WITH THE REAR EXTERIOR 
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WALL ON THE LEFT SIDE. 
          THREE, THAT PORCH COLUMN, BRICK BOTTOMS NOT BE PAINTED. 
          AND FOUR, THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS. 
          THE, UH, BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED COURT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. 
          SECTION 3.3 UNDER BUILDING SITE AND LANDSCAPING AND SECTION 9.3, 9.6 AND 9.7 UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS. 
          THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR  TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED FOR THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. 
          NCE THAT FOUNDATION BE LOWERED TO 18 INCHES ABOVE GRADE, UH, AND THAT TWO PAINKILLERS AS OPPOSED TO THREE BE USED. 
          SHERWIN WILLIAMS, WARM BEIGE. 
          SHARON WILLIAMS, ROY CROSS, MR. GRAY. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          AND FOR THIS I'LL SPEAK ABOUT LUIS. 
          MR. REYES? YES, I'M HERE. 
          I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW WHY I SHOULD SPEAK. 
          UM, YEAH, NO, FOR THIS, THIS ONE, UH, WE HAD SIMILAR, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE OTHER ONE. 
          UH, WE LOWERED THE FOUNDATION TO 18 INCHES FOR, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP THE, THE BUILDING, UH, LOWER THAN 19 FEET TOTAL TO REACH. 
          AND, UH, NOW WE HAVE 18 FEET AND FIVE INCH AND, UH, WE, WE MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE FOR THE, FOR THE FRONT DOOR. 
          AND NOW WE, I MEAN WE CLARIFIED THAT INFORMATION TO BE SOLID WOOD, UH, FOR, FOR THE FRONT DOOR AND THE BACK DOOR. 
          UH, ALSO THE SIDING WAS, UH, CLARIFIED BECAUSE, UH, NOW WE HAVE, UH, YELLOW PINE, BUT THAT WOULD BE PATTERN ONE 17. 
          AND, UH, WE CHANGED THE COLORS FOR, UH, FOR THE BODY AND THE DREAM. 
          UH, WE HAD, UH, UH, AN ACCENT COLOR, BUT WE DELETED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ACCENTS. 
          SO THAT WILL BE THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, MR. QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE TRIM AROUND THE DOOR. 
          I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE DETAILS THAT YOU'VE ADDED TO THE, TO THE WINDOW TRIMS THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE ON HEATHER. 
          AND SO, AND THAT'S, UM, VERY FITTING. 
          UM, THE ONE SUGGESTION I WANTED TO MAKE WAS THAT YOU DO THE SAME THING TO THE HEADER OF THE FLOOR AFTER THE, IF YOU FEEL THAT YOU HAVE ON THE WINDOW UP. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I DIDN'T, OKAY. 
          SAME. 
          THE SIGN FOR THE, FOR THE BEAM ON THE, WHAT YOU SAY, THE TOP OF THE TRIM ON AROUND THE DOOR, THE FACING. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, JUST AROUND THE OPENING ITSELF BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, IT'S JUST LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, OR ONE BY FOUR OR SOMETHING THAT, BUT IT COULD MATCH THE WINDOWS THAT OKAY, I GET IT. 
          YEAH, DEFINITELY WE COULD DO THAT ALSO. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE THE SAME COMMENT ON THE FRONT PORCH ABOUT THE CROWDEDNESS IN THE WINDOW. 
          I KNOW WE, IN THE LAST TIME WE LIVED TOGETHER THAT UH, WE'VE MENTIONED JUST TO MOVE THOSE OVER, BUT I APOLOGIZE I DIDN'T MENTION IT THEN THAT, UM, IT DOES STILL CROWDED AGAIN, JUST LIKE THE LAST ONE WITH THAT. 
          BUT IF THAT COULD BE REDUCED TO ONE. 
          I KNOW YOU HAVE A PAIR ON THE SIDE, UM, ON THE INSTALL SHEET, THEY'RE ALREADY IN THAT LIVING ROOM. 
          UM, SO YOU MAYBE SHARE OR SAVE THAT HOUSE ANY OTHER . 
          OKAY. 
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THEY MAY ALSO NEED A, A BE EXPRESS, UH, A FA BOARD PORCH LOOKED LIKE BOARD THERE, HOW TO HELP LITTLE BIT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, WE, WE COULD CLARIFY THAT, BUT I MEAN WE HAVE A CEDAR BOARD ON FROM THE ON, ON THE FRONT PORCH ALSO. 
          I SAY TAKEN CARE OF ALREADY. 
          ALRIGHT, OTHER COUNSEL, IF NOT, THEN WE ARE READY TO DO MOTION. 
          I HAVE MOTION THANK 9 36 21 MEYER STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS COA TWO FIVE DASH 3 7 8. 
          WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION INCLUDING, UH, ADDITIONS WELL WITH AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT, UM, THE PAIR OF WINDOWS UNDERNEATH THE PORCH TO REDUCED TO A SINGLE WINDOW AND THAT WE ADD, UM, WINDOW OR APOLOGIZE, UM, DOOR TRIM TO MATCH THE WINDOWS. 
          ALRIGHT, WE HAVE OUR SECOND EXHIBITION MEETING. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I THE VOTE ON THIS MOTION. 
          I'LL OPPOSE WITH THIS MOTION. 
          PLEASE SAY YES. 
          YES, YES. 
          ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THIS MOTION IS ALSO CARRIED. 
          SO RAISE YOU NOW HAVE TWO TWO HOUSES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AND WE'LL LET YOU LUCK. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR BUILDING . 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYONE. 
          ALRIGHT, WHAT THAT LEAVES US IS DISCUSSION ITEM SIX, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE DISCUSSION. 
          ITEM SIX. 
          THIS IS DR. 
          RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF. 
          THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1128 CHURCH STREET AND THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 DASH 3 9 8. 
          THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWING AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 25 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION. 
          ONE THAT RIGHT PROJECTION BEING EXTENDED TO THE REAR FOR THE MINE WITH REAR STEERING THE WALL CREATING ONE REAR GABLE, NOT TWO, TWO THAT A COVERING, FOR EXAMPLE, A SHED ROOF INSTALLED OVER REAR IT CEILING DOOR FLEE THE THIRD CONDITION THAT WINDOWS BE ALL WOOD. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, NO CLADDING WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION 1 0 1 OR THAT STARTING THE JAMES PARTY CUSTOM COLONIAL. 
          BUT WE DISCUSSED SMOOTH NOT WHILE INSTALLING BEFORE AS WE SENT FIVE THAT PORCH COLUMN BOTTOM, WHICH SIZE BED FROM IN SIZE TO MODULAR SIZE AND STICK THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS INSTEAD BE OF BRUSH ANY ARMS THROUGH IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOR CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK WITH CONSISTING WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SUBSTANCE B PERTAINING TO SITES, SITE ELEMENTS AND SECTION B UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS. 
          THE STANDARDS SINCE  SECTION 51 A, THAT 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN UP, TWO FOR NON-CONSTRUCTIVE INSTRUCTIONS AND THE SECRETARY OF  GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBOR TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND PERMITS THAT PARKING BE MOVED TO THE REAR AND THE CITY APPROVAL, THAT REAR DORM BE COVERED WITH A PORCH ROOF, THAT PORCH COLUMN BRICK SIZE AND CHANGE FROM KING SIZE TO MODULAR AND THAT HARDY BOARD SKIRTING BE SHOWN ON MATERIAL SCHEDULE SHEET. 
          RIGHT. 
          DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF ROOF? UH, NOT THE  
          [03:20:07]
 ON THE FRONT ELEVATION. 
          THEY HAVE TO SEE WINDOWS UNDER THE, UH, PORCH WITH ONE WINDOW ON THE SIDE AND THAT WE'VE JUST BEEN LOOKING AT THE DOORS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WELL, NOT . 
          I WOULD HAVE TO REFER TO COMMISSIONER TAYLOR ONE BETTER BECAUSE YES, IT DOES LOOK CROWDED, ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN SPEAKING TO, BUT I'M NOT ABLE TO VISUALIZE AT THIS TIME. 
          COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, DO YOU KNOW, CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? IT IT IS A LITTLE LOW. 
          OKAY. 
          THE TWO WINDOWS ON, ON UNDER THE PORCH AND ONE WINDOW ON THE SIDE, SHOULD THEY BE REVERSED OR IS IT NORMAL THAT THE TWO WINDOWS UNDER THE PORCH? NORMALLY THEY'RE UM, SO IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT ELEVATION TO THE BOTTOM RIGHT, NORMALLY THEY'RE KIND OF CENTERED WHEREVER THOSE PORCH, UH, COLUMNS ARE. 
          SO WHEN YOU HAVE THAT DOOR AND THE TWO WINDOWS GANGED UP LIKE THAT, IT'S A LITTLE LOFT CENTER. 
          NORMALLY IT'S, IT'S SPACED EVENLY. 
          WOULD THERE BE JUST ONE WINDOW UNDER THERE INSTEAD OF WHO SO THAT, THAT WOULD LOOK BETTER? CORRECT? I I I'VE SEEN IT BOTH WAYS, BUT NORMALLY IT'S MORE SO THE ONE WINDOW OR THAT DOOR IS OFF OF THAT FACE AND THOSE TWO WINDOWS ARE SPACED IN BETWEEN THE TWO COLUMNS WHERE YOU HAVE THE DOOR ON THE TWO WINDOWS, IT'S USUALLY A WIDER APERTURE FOR THAT PORCH. 
          KIND OF LIKE ON THE BACK YOU SEE WHERE THE TWO WINDOWS ARE SPACED AND THEN THAT DOOR IS KIND OF ON THAT THIRD OR THAT SECOND FACADE. 
          THAT'S NORMALLY HOW THE SPATIAL ORGANIZATION WORKS. 
          MR. WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION ON THIS, GIVE ME ONE MOMENT TO BRING IT ALL TOGETHER, MR.  RIGHT NOW. 
          SO HE'S NOT GONNA BE MAKING MOTION, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS DON'T CONFLICT WITH WHAT I JUST SAID. 
          WELL, IT, IT'S OKAY TO APPROVE MOST STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          STATE ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          I MAKE A MOTION, UH, FOR 1 1 2 8 CHURCH STREET CO 8 2 5 0 0 0 3 9 8 FOR A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE HER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          WHERE, YEAH, I'LL LEAVE, I'LL LEAVE IT AS IT IS THE WAY STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE IT BASED ON THE DISCUSSION EARLIER, WOULD YOU WANT TO ADD JUST AN EXCEPTION THAT THE HARDY BOARD BE SMOOTH AND NOT ROUGH ON? YES, I'LL TAKE THAT EXCEPTION TO BE ON THE SMOOTH SIDE, NOT THE ROUGH SONG YES. 
          FOR THE SKIRTING, RIGHT? AN AMENDMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          FIRST OFF, ARE YOU SECONDING? I WOULD BE SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT'S YOUR AMENDMENT THEN? TO PUT THE TWO WINDOWS ON ONE SIDE AND ONE WINDOW ON THE SIDE. 
          WE RESERVE THE PUT TWO WINDOWS WHERE THERE ARE NOW ONE ON THE FRONT AND ONE WINDOW WHERE THERE ARE NOW TWO. 
          IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO YOU MR. TAYLOR? YES. 
          SORRY. 
          IT, IT IS JUST HARD TO HEAR YOU GUYS, BUT I, I AGREE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, 
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SO THAT IS OUR MOTION FOLLOWING PAST SUGGESTIONS EXCEPT THE DEFAULT BREAK TO THE WINDOW. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THEN, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. 
          YES, YES, YES. 
          ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. 
          STAFF WILL LET THE APPLICANT KNOW. 
          WE DO HAVE A COUPLE SMALL THINGS TO DO, UH, BEFORE WE DO OUR NORMAL MINUTES APPROVAL. 
          UH, WE NEED SOMEONE, WE NEED TO DISCUSS THE APPROVAL OF DATE BROUGHT BACK FOR THE FAIR PARK TAX FOR . 
          THE STAFF MAY SPEAK TO THE WELL AS WE CHANGE THE MAKEUP OF THE ROSTER FOR FAIR PARK. 
          NOW IT INCLUDES RESIDENTS OF NEARBY, AT LEAST TWO RESIDENTS OF NEARBY NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENT ASSOCIATIONS. 
          AND SO JADE IS A ACTIVE MEMBER OF COLONIAL HILL NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENT ASSOCIATION. 
          SHE'S ALSO A PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF ADDISON. 
          OKAY? OKAY. 
          A YOUR MOTION, I DON'T LIKE TO MENTION YOU NOT FROM YOU . 
          OH MY, NO, I, NO . 
          I, I LEGALLY WE ACCEPT THIS WOMAN TO BE, UM, A FAIR PART TASK. 
          I NEED A SECOND. 
          IT CAN'T BE HEARD. 
          . 
          SECOND. 
          COMMISSIONER ANDERSON A. 
          SECONDED THIS MOTION. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW ON THE MINUTES, DID ANYBODY HAVE TO CHANGE THIS MADE THE MINUTES AS THEY WERE SENT TO YOU? IF NOT, I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES. 
          MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          APPROVE. 
          MINUTES. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND, I. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER RES HAS SECONDED AGAIN. 
          UH, I DO. 
          COMMISSIONER KELLY. 
          ALRIGHT, SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES. 
          YES, YES. 
          ALL THOSE OPPOSED. 
          THERE'S NO OPPOSITION. 
          SO IT IS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 
          I BELIEVE THAT COMPLETES ALL OF OUR BUSINESS AT 4 29 AND I MAY WASN IT LATER. 
          WE ARE ADJOURNED. 
          I.
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