[Community Police Oversight Board on October 14, 2025.]
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I'D LIKE TO OFFICIALLY CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
UH, MY NAME IS JOHN MARK DAVIDSON.
I HAVE THE HONOR OF SERVING AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
WE HAVE CONFIRMED A QUORUM OF OUR MEMBERS, SO WE ARE READY TO PROCEED ON TODAY'S MEETING.
THE OFFICIAL START TIME FOR THIS MEETING IS 5 36.
5 36, AND WE WILL BEGIN THIS MEETING WITH A ROLL CALL OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS.
EACH OF US HAVE BEEN NOMINATED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR TO SERVE AS YOUR REPRESENTATIVES, AS THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS.
AND AS I CALL EACH DISTRICT, PLEASE INDICATE YOUR PRESENCE.
AND, UH, WE ALSO, UH, HAVE SOME NEW BOARD MEMBERS HERE.
I WANNA WELCOME YOU, UH, TO OUR BOARD.
AND SO, UM, AS WE GO TO YOUR DISTRICT, UH, JUST PLEASE SAY, UH, HERE AND YOUR DISTRICT AND YOUR NAME.
WE'LL BEGIN, UH, WITH DISTRICT ONE.
UH, PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS TIME IS AN OFFICIAL MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD, AND IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
THESE PROCEEDINGS ARE DESIGNED TO FOSTER OPEN COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY STAKEHOLDERS, WHILE ENSURING THAT THE BOARD'S BUSINESS IS CONDUCTED EFFICIENTLY AND RESPECTFULLY TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL, DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
ALL ATTENDEES MUST REMAIN SEATED UNLESS OTHERWISE DIRECTED, AND ANYONE CAUSING A DISRUPTION WILL RECEIVE ONE.
WARNING AND CONTINUED DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT WILL RESULT IN THE REMOVAL FROM THE MEETING.
THE BOARD IS COMMITTED TO ACCESSIBILITY.
IF YOU REQUIRE TRANSLATION SERVICES, SIGN LANGUAGE, INTERPRETERS, OR OTHER ACCOMMODATIONS, PLEASE CONTACT OUR OFFICE AT O CPO@DALLAS.GOV, OPO@DALLAS.GOV AT LEAST 72 HOURS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
THE MISSION OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD, FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD, IS TO BUILD AND MAINTAIN TRUST BY ENSURING THAT COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT INVOLVING POLICE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL ARE REVIEWED FAIRLY, TRANSPARENTLY AND THOROUGHLY.
THE BOARD IS SUPPORTED BY THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, THE OCPO, WHICH PROVIDES LOGISTICAL AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE TO HELP US FULFILL THIS MISSION AND MAINTAIN ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE COMPLAINT PROCESS.
AND TODAY WE'LL ALSO HAVE A COMMENDATION.
SO WE ALSO WANT TO NOTICE POSITIVE BEHAVIOR AMONG OUR POLICE FORCE AS WELL.
WE'LL NOW MOVE TO, UH, THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND, UH, OPEN MICROPHONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR RULES AND PROCEDURE.
EACH SPEAKER WILL HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.
DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, THIS TIME MAY BE ADJUSTED TO PARTICIPATE.
PLEASE SEE A MEMBER OF THE CITY STAFF AT THE, AT THE, AT THE FRONT HERE.
AND, UH, THEY WILL GIVE YOU A, A SPEAKER CARD.
AND FOR THE SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION AT THE END OF THE MEETING, THERE WILL BE NO SIGN UP.
REQUIRED PUBLIC COMMENT IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON MATTERS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THIS BOARD.
WHILE DISSENT IS WELCOMED, PERSONAL ATTACKS, THREATS, PROFANITY, OR OFF-TOPIC REMARKS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED.
WE STRIVE FOR A CONSTRUCTIVE AND RESPECTFUL DIALOGUE.
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MUST ADDRESS ITEMS ON THE AGENDA OR ISSUES WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE BOARD'S PURVIEW.COMMENTS MUST NOT BE DIRECT COMMENTS AND INDIVIDUALS, PLEASE ADDRESS ME AS A CHAIR.
AND DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR MAY RESULT IN MUTING REMOVAL OR THE TERMINATION OF SPEAKING TIME.
BUT WE ARE HAPPY YOU WERE HERE, UH, TO SPEAK BEFORE US.
THE BOARD, UH, YOUR VOICE MATTERS.
AND SO I HAVE FIVE NAMES THAT I WANT TO CALL TO THE, UH, THE MICROPHONE.
AND, UH, WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, PLEASE COME TO THE FRONT.
WE HAVE A MICROPHONE THERE AT THE, AT THE FRONT.
PLEASE PRESS THE ON BUTTON, ON THE MICROPHONE, 'CAUSE WE WANT TO HEAR YOU.
AND ALSO THOSE ONLINE, WE WANT YOU THEM TO HEAR YOU AS WELL.
AND, UH, WE'LL HAVE A TIMER THAT WILL BE CLICKING, UH, DOWN, COUNTING DOWN, UH, WHEN YOU BEGIN SPEAKING YOUR FIRST STATEMENT.
AND, UH, WE JUST ASK THAT WHEN THAT THREE MINUTES GOES DOWN TO ZERO, THAT YOU FINISH YOUR THOUGHT, FINISH YOUR, YOUR, YOUR SENTENCE.
UH, AND, BUT JUST BE RESPECTFUL OF THAT TIME.
'CAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF SPEAKERS, UH, TODAY.
SO I DO WANT TO BEGIN, UH, BY INVITING MONICA SOLIS.
UH, MONICA SOLIS, UH, BE THE FIRST ONE.
AND, UH, WHEN YOU'RE READY, UH, THERE IN THE MIDDLE WILL BE GREAT.
UH, AND YOU CAN REMOVE THE CHAIR IF YOU WANNA STAND, OR YOU CAN SIT WHATEVER'S EASIEST FOR YOU.
AND, UH, MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE'S ON 'CAUSE WE CARE.
AND, UH, WHEN YOU BEGIN, THE CAMERA WILL BEGIN.
IS, UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? OKAY, PERFECT.
I RESIDE IN DISTRICT THREE, ZIP CODE 7 5 2 3 2.
I AM HERE TO DEMAND THAT YOU AND YOUR COLLABORATION WITH ICE.
IN THE PHOTOS I, UM, SUBMITTED TWO PHOTOS OF, UH, DPD AND ICE.
WERE SEEN AT THE HAMPTON STATION AT 10:00 AM ON FRIDAY, AUGUST 22ND, THAT THAT STATION IS WALKING DISTANCE FROM AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
WE'VE SEEN ICE TERRORIZING CHILDREN, PARENTS, MEN, WOMEN, PASTORS, VETERANS AND POLICE.
HAVE YOU SEEN THE VIDEO OF IT GASSING CHICAGO POLICE? IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT FOR YOUR STAFF? AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY LACK ACCOUNTABILITY.
IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE TO WORK WITH THEM.
IT WOULD ALSO BE IRRESPONSIBLE TO ALLOW THEM TO TELL PEOPLE THEY ARE THE POLICE.
COMMUNITIES ARE MADE SAFE BY INVESTING IN HOUSING, EDUCATION, HEALTHCARE AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
SURVEILLANCE, FLOCK CAMERAS ARE BEING USED TO HELP ICE.
MY DISTRICT HAS HEAVILY INVESTED IN THESE FLOCK CAMERAS.
MY NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN TRAUMATIZED BY ICE RAIDS OUTSIDE THEIR APARTMENTS.
ICE WAS SEEN OUTSIDE THEIR HOMES AT FIVE AND 6:00 AM WAITING TO ADOPT ABDUCT PEOPLE.
AS THEY WERE LEAVING TO WORK, TRUMP TOLD THE PEOPLE THAT THEY WERE ONLY GOING TO GO AFTER CRIMINALS.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY ARE MOSTLY TERRORIZING PEOPLE TRYING TO GET TO WORK.
DPD OFFICERS WERE SEEN THERE WITH ICE IN ONE INSTANCE.
AS CHIEF, YOU HAVE RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS OF DALLAS.
IN YOUR DPD BIO, IT IS STATED THAT YOU ARE COMMITTED TO TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
DEMONSTRATED NOT BY WORKING WITH ICE, DEMONSTRATE IT NOT BY GIVING THEM ACCESS TO FLOCK, CAMERAS DEMONSTRATE IT, BUT NOT ALLOWING THEM TO USE YOUR NAME.
NEXT I WOULD LIKE TO CALL, UH, TO, UH, THE MICROPHONE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
MR. SAM WILLIAMS. SAM WILLIAMS. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
MR. WILLIAMS. I PROVIDED SOME COPIES.
UM, I ALSO HAVE 'EM ONLINE, BUT HOW MANY COPIES DO YOU HAVE? UH, JUST TWO HERE.
DO YOU, DO YOU WANT US TO PASS IT AROUND WHILE YOU, UH, YOU CAN GIVE IT TO MR. MAPLES THERE, OR GIVE IT TO THE STAFF THERE.
THANK YOU MR. WILLIAMS. YEAH, PLEASE TAKE A SEAT AND, UM, WHENEVER, MAKE SURE THAT MICROPHONE'S TURNED ON.
AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE READY TO BEGIN TEST, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
MY NAME IS SAM WILLIAMS AND I LIVE IN DISTRICT NINE.
BUT ON FRIDAY, OCTOBER 3RD AT 5:30 AM I WAS IN DISTRICT THREE WHEN I WITNESSED AN ABDUCTION PERFORMED BY MASKED AND ARMED INDIVIDUALS OUTFITTED IN GEAR THAT SAID, POLICE WITHOUT A SINGLE SQUAD CAR IN SIGHT.
FOUR MORE CARS BOXED IN A SINGLE WHITE VAN WITH A DRIVER ON THEIR WAY TO WORK, SCARED FOR THIS PERSON'S SAFETY.
I CALLED OUT TO THEM TRYING TO GET THEIR NAME.
INSTEAD, THE MASS GROUP AUDIBLY ANSWERED BACK AND SELF-IDENTIFIED AS POLICE.
I PROVIDED A CLIP TO BE PLAYED WITH THIS AUDIO.
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PLAY THAT NOW WITH THE VOLUME UP WHILE THAT'S LOADING.ADDITIONALLY, I PROVIDED PICTURES OF INDIVIDUALS WEARING POLICE IDENTIFICATION, WHERE MASKS ARE ALSO PRESENT.
BUT I'D LIKE TO PLAY THE VIDEO IF POSSIBLE.
IF NOT, I'LL PLAY THE AUDIO NOW.
I THINK YOU ALL DEAR, ARE YOU PULLING THAT VIDEO UP? UH, MAKE SURE HIS TIME IS STOPPED IF POSSIBLE.
WALTER, WHAT DO YOU THINK, UH, THE CHANCES OF GETTING THAT VIDEO, SHOULD WE WAIT? UH, IS IT UPLOADING? I HAVE IT, BUT IT'S NOT LETTING ME GO.
MR. WILLIAMS, WHILE WE, WHILE WE WAIT, DO YOU WANT THIS, THESE PHOTOS BACK, OR DO YOU WANT US TO KEEP THEM? YOU CAN KEEP THEM.
UM, THEY'LL, THEY'LL ALSO BE IN THERE.
THEY SELF-IDENTIFIED AS POLICE.
AFTER CALLING THE MISSING PERSON'S HOTLINE, I WAS REDIRECTED TO THE NON-EMERGENCY LINE WHERE MY TESTIMONY AND INFORMATION WAS TAKEN DOWN.
I FOLLOWED UP TODAY AND NO INCIDENT WAS LOGGED IN MY INITIAL CALLS, WHAT I WITNESSED HAS ME CONCERNED AS A DALLAS RESIDENT.
INSUFFICIENT GUIDANCE HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO DPD OFFICERS BY OUR CITY MANAGER AND CHIEF OF POLICE.
AND I FEAR IT LEAVES OPEN THE DOOR FOR MORE SCENARIOS LIKE THIS, WHERE ONE OF TWO OPTIONS IS POSSIBLE.
NON-POLICE INDIVIDUALS LIKE ICE ARE ILLEGALLY IDENTIFYING AS POLICE OFFICERS TO PERFORM THESE ABDUCTIONS VIOLATING TEXAS PENAL CODE 37 POINT 11, IMPERSONATING PUBLIC SERVANT, WHICH IS A FELONY.
DPD, IS FAILING TO WORK WITH STATE OFFICIALS TO ENFORCE THIS.
OR DALLAS POLICE IS ACTIVELY DONING MASKS AND LEADING THESE UNCONSTITUTIONAL ARRESTS WITHOUT WEARING UNIFORMS. DALLAS AND DPD SHOULD INSTITUTE POLICY TO NOT ALLOW ANY INTERACTIONS BETWEEN POLICE AND ICE OR PERIPHERAL AGENCIES.
IF ANY INTERACTION WITH ANY FEDERAL AGENCY IS REQUIRED, THEN DPD SHOULD DOCUMENT THESE INTERACTIONS PROMPTLY.
AND THE COMPLIANCE WITH CURRENT DPD DATA POLICIES, NEW CATEGORIES SHOULD BE CREATED, IF NOT ALREADY, TO IDENTIFY THESE TYPES OF INTERACTIONS.
AS DALLAS RESIDENTS, WE ARE PUT AT RISK ANYTIME SOMEONE WHO IS NOT A POLICE OFFICER IDENTIFIES AS SUCH.
IF WE ARE GOING TO INVEST 40% OF OUR GENERAL FUND INTO POLICE HEADCOUNT, THEY SHOULD BE STRIVING TO WORK WITH AND PROTECT THE COMMUNITY, NOT ICE.
UM, IF YOU COULD PLEASE TRY TO PLAY THE, THE VIDEO OR JUST FLASH SOME OF THE, THE STILLS THAT I SUBMITTED.
I THINK YOU, I THINK WE HAD THE VIDEO READY.
THERE YOU SEE A PERSON WITH POLICE ON THEIR UNIFORM AND A MASKED PERSON NEXT TO THEM.
AND SOME OF THE PHOTOS THAT I SUBMITTED ALSO INCLUDE THAT IN BETTER QUALITY.
THANK YOU MR. WILLIAMS. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
NEXT I'D LIKE TO INVITE, UH, TO THE MICROPHONE, VICTOR MACIA.
THANK YOU MR. MACIAS FOR BEING HERE.
UH, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, MAKE SURE THAT MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON.
DO YOU HAVE ANY VIDEOS OR PHOTOS THAT YOU'VE SENT AHEAD OF TIME? I DO NOT HAVE ANY VIDEOS OR PHOTOS.
WELL, UH, YOUR TIME WILL BEGIN WHEN YOU'RE READY.
SO, UH, MY NAME IS VICTOR MACIAS.
UM, I'M A UNITED STATES ARMY VETERAN.
I'M HERE BEFORE YOU TO SPEAK AGAINST THE POLICE ACADEMY BEING ESTABLISHED IN MY CAMP CAMPUS GROUNDS, UUNT DALLAS.
I HAVE HAD EXTENSIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH FACULTY AND STUDENTS IN ON MY CAMPUS, AND THEY ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS ACADEMY BEING ESTABLISHED IN
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OUR CAMPUS GROUNDS.A PREDOMINANTLY HISPANIC AND BLACK POPULATION, BOTH IN THE COMMUNITY AND ON CAMPUS.
THE CONTINUOUS ARGUMENTS THAT I HAVE RUN INTO IS BY THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND IS TO TRAIN THEM BASED ON THEIR RESEARCH IN HOPES FOR A MORE PROGRESSIVE POLICE.
HOWEVER, THIS IS A COMPLETE LIE.
POLICE HAVE OFTEN USED TACTICS OF BRUTE FORCE WHEN DETAINING SOMEONE THEY ARE NOT HERE TO PROTECT.
THEY'RE HERE TO ANTAGONIZE AND ESCALATE.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I CAN GET DETAINED TODAY AND YOU WILL SEE FIRSTHAND HOW POLICE TRY TO ESCALATE THE SITUATION.
AND UNJUSTIFIABLY TRIED TO USE BRUTE FORCE BECAUSE I'M NOT COMPLYING.
RECENTLY THE DALLAS POLICE CHIEF STATED TO FOX THAT HE WILL WORK TO REMOVE DANGEROUS ILLEGALS FROM THE STREETS.
BUT TELL ME WHAT CONSTITUTES AS A DANGEROUS ILLEGAL.
FURTHERMORE, WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE 287 G PROGRAM FROM ICE, WHICH ALLOWS STATES AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENTS TO ESSENTIALLY ACT AS ICE AGENTS AND THE STATE BILL, TEXAS STATE BILL, SENATE BILL A, WHICH MANDATES TEXAS SHERIFFS TO ENTER INTO AGREEMENT WITH ICE.
UNDER THE 2 87 G PROGRAM HAS PASSED AND IS HEADED TO TOWARDS OUR GOVERNOR'S DESK.
71% OF ICE, UH, DETENTIONS HAVE NO CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS.
ACCORDING TO THE CURRENT DATA, AS OF SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2025, MANY OF THOSE CONVICTED, UH, CONVICTED, HAVE ONLY BEEN CONVICTED OF MINOR OFFENSES, INCLUDING TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS.
IN SEPTEMBER, DALLAS WAS JAILED AT A HUNDRED PERCENT CAPACITY AND TALLY AT 7,124 INMATES, WHICH IS JUST AS MANY AS 20 BODIES OVER THE, OVER WHAT THE PRISON IS AUTHORIZED TO HOLD.
THIS COULD COST UP DALLAS TAXPAYERS TENS OF MILLIONS MORE EACH MONTH TO DO SO.
THE COUNTY'S PROPOSING A VOTER APPROVED PROPERTY TAX INCREASE OF 22 CENTS PER EVERY A HUNDRED DOLLARS.
AND THIS IS BY THE DALLAS OBSERVER.
ALLOW ME TO PROVIDE SOME SOLUTIONS BACKED UP BY STATISTICS.
FUNDING AND ADVOCATING FOR MORE POLICE DOES NOT LOWER CRIME RATES IN THOSE CITIES.
MOST OF THESE INDIVIDUALS CREATE CRIMES OR PETTY CRIMES OF THEFT AND ROBBERY IS BECAUSE OF FINANCIAL HARDSHIPS TO MAKE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY FOR FOOD AND OR HEALTHCARE.
IF YOUR INTEREST WAS REALLY TO MAKE OUR CITY SAFER, INVEST IN AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAMS, JOB PROGRAMS, AND OTHER TANGIBLE RESOURCES TO EDUCATE YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF, INVEST IN EXPANDING THE JOB MARKET THAT WOULD PROVIDE A JOB OPPORTUNITIES FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD STOP THEM FROM THINKING THAT, UH, COMMITTING A CRIME IS THEIR ONLY OTHER OPTION.
CREATE ACCOUNTABILITY CONTRACTS WITH LARGE BOX STORES THAT REINVEST BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY ONCE THEY DECIDE TO LEAVE THESE ALTERNATIVE APP OPTIONS.
HAVE ACTUAL DATA THAT WILL KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFER.
NEXT I'D LIKE TO INVITE, UH, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, PLEASE, UH, MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE'S TURNED ON AND, UH, YOUR THREE MINUTES WILL BEGIN.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? HEY, I ACTUALLY, I I YIELD BACK MY TIME.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
I'D LIKE TO INVITE MS. DOLORES PHILLIPS.
IF YOU WERE LISTENING, MS. PHILLIPS END OF THE MEETING, THERE'LL BE ANOTHER CHANCE.
UH, THE FINAL, UM, PERSON WE HAVE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IS AZA ALVAREZ.
UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, MR. ALVAREZ.
UM, AND, UH, YEAH, YOU KNOW HOW IT WORKS.
UH, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, THAT CLOCK WILL BEGIN.
MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE'S TURNED ON AND, UH, THANKFUL THAT YOU'RE HERE.
ALSO WANTED TO BE HERE TODAY TO SPEAK OUT FOR EVERYONE WHO'S AFRAID.
RIGHT NOW IN DALLAS, 40% OF OUR RESIDENTS ACTUALLY ARE VERY TERRIFIED.
I'VE SPOKEN DIRECTLY WITH THE FAMILIES AND THEY WOULD LOVE TO BE HERE, BUT THEY CAN'T BECAUSE THEY'RE SCARED.
THEY GO HOME FROM WORK AND THEY GO TO WORK.
I WAS THERE ALSO THAT DAY FOR WHEN THAT VIDEO WAS TAKEN.
AND I DID WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE RUNNING TO THEIR CARS IN FEAR.
AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THEY STILL WENT TO WORK AND THEY'RE STILL GONNA BE HERE.
THEY WILL CONTINUE FIGHTING, BUT THEY'RE STILL SCARED, AND THEY NEED SOMEONE TO STAND UP FOR THEM.
AND THEY'RE FAILING THEM FROM FEDERAL,
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STATE, AND EVEN LOCAL.EVERYONE BEHIND ME HAS BEEN A PART OF THIS AND HAS BEEN HELPFUL.
AND WE ARE ALSO TERRIFIED BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THIS HAPPENING TO ANY MORE RESIDENTS, AND WE HAVE TO PROTECT IT.
SO THANK YOU FOR INVITING THE POLICE CHIEF TO BE HERE AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.
AND I HOPE HE ANSWERS US TRUTHFULLY AS AS YOU CAN, BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW IF YOU WILL STAND BESIDE US OR YOU WILL BE AGAINST US.
RECENT PUBLIC RECORDS REVIEWED BY 4 0 4 MEDIA SHOWED THAT DPD PERFORMED MULTIPLE SEARCHES THROUGH FLOCK SAFETY, LICENSE PLATE CAMERAS, LABELED ICE AND ERO.
THAT'S IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT AND REMOVAL OPERATIONS.
ON MARCH 6TH, 2025, DALLAS OFFICERS ACCESS DATA FROM OVER 6,600 CAMERA NETWORKS AND 77,000 DEVICES NATIONWIDE.
THIS WAS NOT A LOCAL CAR THEFT SEARCH, IT WAS AN IMMIGRATION LOOKUP.
THESE FLOCK CAMERAS ARE AROUND DALLAS.
WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING TO BE IN THAT DATA.
AND I KNOW RECENTLY THERE WAS A REPORT OF A CASE OF A DEATH INVESTIGATION OF A NON-VIABLE FETUS.
AND THEY RAN HER PLAY ACROSS 83,000 CAMERAS NATIONWIDE.
THIS WAS TEXAS, UM, POLICE, NOT DPD, BUT THIS IS KIND OF AN EXAMPLE.
AND THEY COLLECTED HER TEXT MESSAGES AND MEDICAL DETAILS ALL WHILE FLOCK PUBLICLY DENIED IT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH AN ABORTION CASE.
THE SHERIFF WHO MADE THOSE DENIALS HAS SINCE BEEN INDICTED FOR PERJURY AND MISCONDUCT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. ALVAREZ, FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
AND THANKS TO EVERYONE, UH, HERE FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE WANT TO HEAR, UH, FROM THE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY, AND, UH, YOUR VOICE MATTERS.
AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENCE HERE TODAY.
IT CONCLUDES OUR, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.
AND I'D LIKE TO, UM, MOVE TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF OUR SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025 MINUTES.
IF THE BOARD AT THIS TIME COULD LOOK OVER THOSE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING AND, UH, WHEN READY, I'D LOVE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025 MEETING.
BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES.
IS THERE A SECOND? JUDGE LANDER? DISTRICT EIGHT SECOND.
UH, BEFORE WE VOTE, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEN? THERE'S NONE.
THE MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
SO IF YOU GO, UH, TO, UH, THE WEBSITE, THE OCPO, UH, AND JUST SO EVERYONE, UH, OUT THERE CAN, CAN KNOW, THERE IS A, A SPOT WHERE IT'S EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO FILE A COMPLAINT.
IF, UH, YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE BEEN TREATED UNFAIRLY, UH, BY OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE ALSO HAVE, UH, A SECTION ON THE WEBSITE, THE OCPO, WHICH IS A COMMENDATION, UH, WHERE IF YOU FEEL THAT YOU'VE SEEN A POLICE OFFICER ACT IN AN EXCEPTIONAL WAY WITH KINDNESS AND COMPASSION, AND WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND, WE HAVE SPACE ON THE WEBSITE, UH, ALSO, UH, FOR COMMENDATIONS.
AND, UH, AS A BOARD, WE HOPED AS WELL TO RECOGNIZE POSITIVE BEHAVIOR IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND I HAVE TO SAY, UH, WE DO HAVE OUR FIRST, UH, LETTER OF COMMENDATION, UH, TODAY THAT WE'D LIKE TO PRESENT, UH, TO OFFICER XAVIER CASTILLO.
OFFICER CASTILLO, YOU HERE TODAY? FERGUSON.
WE HAVE TWO, UH, MR. FERGUSON AND MR. CASTILLO.
MR. FERGUSON, UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
UH, I WOULD, UH, LIKE TO READ THIS LETTER THAT WE'D LIKE TO HAND TO YOU.
UH, AND THEN IF, UH, AFTER THE LETTER'S CONCLUDED, UH, WE HAVE THE POLICE CHIEF HERE.
AND, UM, I'D LOVE TO INVITE YOU DOWN TO THE FRONT AND ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS.
UH, IF WE COULD, UH, GO DOWN TO THE HORSESHOE AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA PRESENT THE CERTIFICATE WITH THE POLICE CHIEF AND OFFICER FERGUSON.
AND, UH, TAKE A PHOTO, UH, TOGETHER.
UH, SO ALLOW ME TO READ, UH, THE LETTER THAT WE'RE GONNA PRESENT TODAY, UH, TO OFFICER DAVID FERGUSON.
THIS LETTER OF COMMENDATION IS PRESENTED TO OFFICER DAVID FERGUSON IN RECOGNITION OF HIS VIGILANCE, COMPASSION, AND EXEMPLARY SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.
AS A DALLAS POLICE OFFICER ON SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025, OFFICER FERGUSON
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DEMONSTRATED REMARKABLE ATTENTIVENESS AND TEAMWORK.WHEN HE NOTICED THAT A FAMILY HE HAD PREVIOUSLY ENCOUNTERED REMAINED AN URGENT NEED OF ASSISTANCE ACTING PROMPTLY, HE COORDINATED WITH OFFICER XAVIER CASTILLO TO ENSURE THAT THE FAMILY WAS CONNECTED WITH SHELTER SERVICES, PROVIDING THEM WITH SAFETY, STABILITY, AND RENEWED HOPE.
THROUGH HIS VIGILANCE AND QUICK ACTION, OFFICER FERGUSON UPHELD THE HIGHEST STANDARDS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.
HIS COMPASSION AND DEDICATION HIGHLIGHTED THE ESSENTIAL ROLE OFFICERS PLAY, NOT ONLY AS PROTECTORS OF PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT ALSO AS ADVOCATES FOR COMMUNITY WELLBEING.
WE PROUDLY COMMEND OFFICER FERGUSON FOR HIS COM COMMENDABLE SERVICE AND STRONG SENSE OF DUTY.
HIS EXAMPLE OF CARE, TEAMWORK AND PROFESSIONALISM SETS A HIGH STANDARD FOR ALL MEMBERS OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE WISH HIM CONTINUED SUCCESS IN HIS CAREER AS A DALLAS POLICE OFFICER.
UH, SIGNED, UH, CHAIRMAN JOHN MARK DAVIDSON, THE VICE CHAIR, OZZY SMITH ON BEHALF OF, OF THE BOARD.
SO, OFFICER, UH, FERGUSON, IF I COULD INVITE YOU, UH, DOWN TO THE FRONT, THE BOARD AS WELL, IF WE COULD, UH, HEAD DOWN TO THE HORSESHOE, THE OFFICE AS WELL, AND THE, THE POLICE CHIEF.
AND, UH, WE HAVE A, A WALL DEER WILL BE OUR PHOTOGRAPHER, UH, TODAY.
A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT TIGHTER.
MAYBE NEXT MEETING HE CAN COME.
WE HOPE, UH, WE HOPE TO DO MORE OF THAT AS WELL.
'CAUSE WE DO WANNA RECOGNIZE EXCEPTIONAL, UM, POLICE ACTIVITY AND THOSE THAT ARE HERE TO HAVE BEEN HELPING THE COMMUNITY.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH AND APPRECIATE YOU OFFICER FERGUSON.
WE, UH, WILL NOW MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX IN THE AGENDA CHAIR, WHICH IS A DIALOGUE WITH CHIEF.
AM AM I ABLE TO MAKE A COMMENT RIGHT NOW? YOU NEED TO COMMENT.
YEAH, I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM COMMENDING OFFICERS WHEN THEY DO A GREAT JOB AND EXEMPLIFY WHAT WE, WHAT WE WANT FROM POLICE OFFICERS IN THE COMMUNITY.
BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO COMMEND THE ACTIVISTS, THE ORGANIZERS AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE FRONT LINE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE WILLING TO COME IN HERE AND TELL US WHAT THEY'RE SEEING AND THEY'RE HEARING AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING IN OUR COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW WITH ICE AND EVEN WITH OUR POLICE.
SO, UM, I LIKE TO COMMEND THEM AS WELL BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE BEEN SITTING OVER THERE BEFORE ON THAT SIDE.
WHEN I SEE THINGS LIKE THAT, SOMETIMES IT GIVES THE IMAGE THAT WE WORK WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE ARE THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
WE, WE HAVE TO WORK AND PARTNER WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT OUR JOB IS TO PROVIDE OVERSIGHT.
SO I DON'T WANT Y'ALL TO GET THAT TWISTED
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AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL KNOW WE COMMEND YOU AS WELL FOR SHOWING UP AND BRINGING THESE ISSUES TO THE FOREFRONT.
THANK YOU FOR CHICKENS, APPRECI, THAT COMMENT.
WE'LL NOW MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, A DIALOGUE WITH CHIEF DANIEL CUOMO ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS.
AND, UH, I WANT TO, UH, THANK CHIEF CUOMO, UH, FOR HIS PRESENCE HERE TODAY.
IT'LL PROBABLY BE BROUGHT UP, UM, BY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS AS WELL.
BUT, UM, YOUR PRESENCE HERE TO, TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS AND TO DIALOGUE WITH US, UH, WE DO APPRECIATE THAT.
'CAUSE IT ALLOWS US, UH, AS I KNOW YOU'D WANT THE SAME, TO HAVE THAT OPEN TRANSPARENCY AND THE DIALOGUE.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, FOR YOUR PRESENCE HERE TODAY.
UM, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AHEAD OF TIME IS, UH, EACH BOARD MEMBER, UH, WILL BE ALLOTTED THREE MINUTES FOR SOME DIALOGUE, UH, WITH THE POLICE CHIEF.
AND, UH, THE, THE CHIEF HAS BEEN GRACIOUS, UH, TO, TO, TO BE THERE TO HAVE THAT DIALOGUE.
HE HAS HIS TEAM HERE AS WELL, SO THERE MIGHT BE A QUESTION THAT, UH, THEY WILL BE BETTER TO ANSWER.
THEY'RE BETTER PREPARED TO KNOW THE DETAILS.
AND SO, UH, THE TEAM WILL BE HERE TO KIND OF HELP, UH, ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE.
UH, I LOVED, UH, THE IDEA THAT BOARD MEMBER FREEMAN HAD TO, UM, TO GO BY A SENIORITY AS FAR AS HOW LONG WE'VE BEEN IN THE BOARD, UH, TO AS FAR AS HOW TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE SOME NEW, NEW BOARD MEMBERS HERE AS WELL.
SO I WANNA, UM, DIDN'T WANNA THROW YOU TO THE WOLVES RIGHT AWAY.
SO, UH, WE'RE GONNA BEGIN, UM, WITH, UH, BOARD MEMBER MAPLES.
WE'LL BEGIN THE, AND THEN, UH, GO TO BOARD MEMBER FREEMAN, AND THEN BOARD MEMBER BA AND THEN BOARD MEMBER PEGRAM, BOARD MEMBER, UH, LANDER.
AND THEN, UH, BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS, BOARD MEMBER SMITH.
AND THEN, UH, MYSELF AND THEN BOARD MEMBER KING, BOARD MEMBER JACKSON.
AND THEN, UH, BOARD MEMBER, UH, SMITH.
AND THEN, UM, BOARD MEMBER SIMONE, I WILL CLOSE THIS OUT.
SO, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU AND THE VICE CHAIR SHOULD PROBABLY, IT, IT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE TO GO FIRST.
YOU AND THE VICE CHAIR IF YOU'D LIKE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT YOURSELF, I MIGHT GO LAST JUST TO SEE HOW, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING GOES.
AND, AND, UH, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL PULL RANK AND DO THAT.
SO, UH, BOARD MEMBER MAPLES WANTED YOU TO BEGIN AND, AND, UH, THERE'LL BE A TIMER ON HERE JUST SO WE CAN ALL BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE TIME.
AND, UM, WE'LL, UH, I, I, I TOO WANNA WAIT TILL THE END.
I APPRECIATE YOU COMING, BUT I WANNA WAIT TILL THE END.
I WANT TO HEAR OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE, BEFORE MY QUESTION.
WE'LL GO THEN WITH, UH, VICE CHAIR, UH, VICE CHAIR SMITH, ARE YOU READY TO, UH, FOR THE DIALOGUE WITH THE POLICE CHIEF? SURE.
YEAH, WHEN YOU BEGIN, WE'LL BEGIN THAT TIMER.
THANK YOU CHIEF UM, AND STAFF, UH, FOR BEING PRESENT AT OUR BOARD MEETING TODAY.
UM, I KNOW THERE WILL BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS ALREADY PRESENTING SOME QUESTIONS, UH, FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO START OFF WITH, UM, JUST GETTING YOUR TAKE ON THE, UH, VOTER APPROVED HERO AMENDMENT, UM, THAT MANDATES DPD TO EMPLOY A MINIMUM OF 4,000 OFFICERS.
I THINK THE DATE WAS BY MAY 30TH, THE 2025.
UM, CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHERE THAT STANDS AND, UH, WHAT'S THE GOAL AS WE'RE LOOKING AT BUDGETS AND GOING FORWARD, UM, INTO THE NEW YEAR? THANK YOU.
DID YOU HEAR THE QUESTION, CHIEF? YES.
I CAN REPEAT THAT ABOUT RECRUITING.
AND HOW MANY OFFICERS? SO CURRENTLY WE'RE AT, UH, REALLY CLOSE TO 2300, UH, RIGHT NOW.
UH, WE JUST HAD THE SECOND LARGEST POLICE ACADEMY IN THE HISTORY OF DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT STARTED, UH, WEEK AND A HALF AGO.
AND IT ALSO HAD THE SECOND LARGEST AMOUNT OF WOMEN IN THE ACADEMY CLASS THAT STARTED A WEEK AND A HALF AGO, WHICH WAS 20.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA GET TO THE 4,000.
UH, THEY PUT US ON THE CLOCK TO HIRE 300.
UH, WE HIRED OVER 3 25, SO WE EXCEEDED THAT NUMBER.
UH, WE'RE GONNA START OFF, THE NOVEMBER CLASS IS NORMALLY ONE OF THE LOWEST, UM, NUMBERS OF CLASS, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT EXCEEDING OVER 50 IN THAT CLASS, WHICH WOULD EXCEED THE NUMBERS OF THE PAST YEARS.
SO, UH, WE FEEL VERY CONFIDENT.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HIRE THREE 50 IN THIS UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR.
WE FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT WE'LL GET OVER THAT THREE 50 NUMBER.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, BOARD MEMBER SMITH? NO, BUT IF I COULD HOLD MY TIME TO THE END, THE LAST TWO MINUTES.UH, WE'LL NOW MOVE TO, UH, BOARD MEMBER FRIEDMAN.
UM, FREEMAN, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
UH, CHIEF CUOMO, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
UM, 'CAUSE OF THE TIME, I'LL JUMP RIGHT IN.
UM, LIKE MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES ON THE BOARD, UH, I ASSUME, UH, I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS DPDS COLLABORATION WITH ICE AND OTHER DHS AGENCIES.
UM, FIRST I'D LIKE TO START BY PLACING MY QUESTION IN CONTEXT.
UM, I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO STAFF IT.
DALLAS IS A SAFER PLACE THAN IT WAS EVEN JUST LAST YEAR, AND WE'VE NOT HAD ANY MAJOR POLICING ISSUES SINCE THE GEORGE FLOYD PROTESTS MORE THAN FIVE YEARS AGO.
I CAN'T, HOWEVER SAY THE SAME FOR ICE.
I WATCH KIDNAPPINGS CONDUCTED BY ARMED MASKED MEN EVERY DAY.
THEY BRUTALLY ATTACK PEOPLE ON CITY STREETS ACROSS AMERICA.
PEOPLE WHO ARE OFTEN LAW ABIDING, OR EVEN US CITIZENS, THEY TOSS THEM INTO UNMARKED CARS, OFTEN STRIKING OTHER VEHICLES IN THE PROCESS BEFORE SPEEDING OFF.
THEY HAVE UNLEASHED CRUELTY AND MAYHEM ON AMERICA'S STREETS, THE LIKES OF WHICH WE HAVEN'T SEEN IN A LONG TIME.
IN FACT, MEMBERS OF CONGRESS HAVE COMPARED THEM TO SLAVE PATROLS OF THE 1850S.
I'VE WORKED IN PUBLIC SERVICE FOR COMBINED 15 YEARS, AND ONE THING I KNOW IS THAT THESE ARE NOT PUBLIC SERVANTS.
HAVING SAID THAT, I UNDERSTAND THE POSITION YOU'RE IN.
SO EVEN THOUGH I DON'T WANT DPD COLLABORATING WITH ICE IN ANY CAPACITY, I'M NOT GONNA ASK YOU WHETHER YOU PERSONALLY SUPPORT OR OPPOSE COLLABORATING WITH ICE.
MY QUESTION IS ONE OF PRIORITIES.
WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT DPDS COLLABORATING WITH ICE TWO WEEKS AGO, THERE WAS A MAJOR RAID IN NORTHWEST DALLAS.
NEWS OUTLETS REPORTED WIDELY THAT MULTIPLE DPD UNITS WERE INVOLVED.
UM, PEOPLE TODAY HERE IN THE AUDIENCE HAVE MENTIONED OTHER INSTANCES.
MY CONCERN IS THAT YOU MAY BE PRIORITIZING THE NEEDS OF ICE AND OTHER FEDERAL AGENCIES OVER THE NEEDS OF TAX PAYING DALLAS RESIDENTS.
FOR EXAMPLE, ACCORDING TO DPDS OWN DATA, THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME FOR PRIORITY TWO CALLS IS NOW 94 MINUTES.
AS YOU KNOW, THAT'S WELL ABOVE THE DEPARTMENT'S 12 MINUTE GOAL.
I MEAN, I, I KNOW HOW ANGRY I WOULD BE IF I HAD TO WAIT AN HOUR AND A HALF FOR POLICE OFFICER TO SHOW UP WHILE I'M READING HEADLINES ABOUT DPD PULLING SECURITY FOR ICE WHILE THEY GO ON RAIDS.
SO GIVEN THAT DALLAS RESIDENTS HAVE TO WAIT MORE THAN AN HOUR AND A HALF FOR POLICE TO SHOW UP WHEN THEY NEED HELP, DO YOU THINK IT'S A WISE USE OF OFFICERS' TIME TO ASSIST ICE? SHOULDN'T ICE BE GIVEN THE LOWEST PRIORITY? IN OTHER WORDS, WHY ARE WE ALLOCATING OFFICERS TO SUPPORT ICE OR OTHER FEDERAL AGENCIES AT ALL WHEN WE CAN'T MEET OUR OWN STANDARD FOR SERVING TAX PAYING DALLAS RESIDENTS IN A TIMELY MANNER? THANK YOU.
SO ON, ON SOME, LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE ICE OPERATIONS, UM, THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE IN DALLAS.
ONE FOR INSTANCE, THAT YOU REFERRED TO WAS AN OPERATIONS OF FEDERAL OPERATION.
AND FROM WHAT THE INFORMATION THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SEE THAT WAS FULLY DOCUMENTED, THERE WAS A LOT OF, UNFORTUNATELY, LADIES THAT WERE FORCED TO BE PROSTITUTES, AND THEY WERE DOING A FULL FEDERAL INVESTIGATION ON WOMEN THAT WERE BEING FORCED TO BE PROSTITUTES.
IT WAS NOT AN ICE IMMIGRATION ROUNDUP.
AND INDIVIDUALS IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, UH, ARE BEING CHARGED FEDERALLY FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
AND WE WERE ASKED TO PROTECT THE PERIMETER OF THAT.
SO WE HAD NOTHING TO DO FROM DPD AS PART OF THAT INVESTIGATION AT ALL, OTHER THAN PROTECT THE PERIMETER.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE ARE HERE TO SERVE AND PROTECT, AND WE WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S SAFE.
AND THAT WAS THAT PARTICULAR CASE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
UM, AND WHEN IT COMES TO TOM, WE, WE HAVE NOT BEEN HELPING ICE ON MANY INVESTIGATIONS.
NOW, IF THEY CALL, LIKE I SAID, WE WILL COOPERATE AND ASSIST.
AND THAT IS A RULE FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS, THAT THAT'S, IT'S A RULE FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS THAT THAT'S IN BLACK AND WHITE.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO WITH FEDERAL PARTNERS.
UM, I HAVE A REALLY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH, WITH ICE, AND THEY HAVE NOT REQUESTED OUR ASSISTANCE TO GO OUT AND ASSIST WITH THEM IN THE STREETS.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING, HEY, WE'RE DOING THIS IN DALLAS, WE'RE DOING THIS IN DALLAS.
AND THERE'S BEEN SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS SAYING, THIS IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN DALLAS, AND WE'LL RUN OUR UNITS OUT THERE,
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CODE ONE ONLY TO FIND OUT IT'S US WITH THE US MARSHALS ARREST AND SEX OFFENDERS.BUT SOMEONE IS POSTING ON THERE THAT IS ICE.
AND IT'S NOT ICE, IT'S, IT'S US WITH THE US MARSHALS AND WE'RE RUNNING UNITS OUT THERE.
CODE ONE CAN GET OTHER PEOPLE HURT BECAUSE IT'S JUST PEOPLE POSTING THINGS THAT ARE NOT TRUE.
AND RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE HAD VERY LITTLE INTERACTIONS WITH ICE ON ANYTHING THAT'S THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN DALLAS RIGHT NOW.
AND FOR EVERYONE TO KNOW, WE WERE CONTACTED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK OR WITHIN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, AND WE WERE OFFERED $25 MILLION TO BE A PART OF 2 87 G.
AND WE SAID, ABSOLUTELY, NO, NOT, NO, THAT WAS ME WHO SAID THAT? TURNED IT DOWN.
SO LIKE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING POSTED AND BEING SAID ARE JUST ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE.
AND IT'S NOT HAPPENING IN DALLAS.
NOW, IS IT HAPPENING IN OTHER PLACES? YES, BUT IT'S NOT HAPPENING HERE.
AND WHAT I KEEP SAYING IS LIKE, WHY ARE WE TRYING TO DRUM UP FEAR WHEN IT'S NOT HAPPENING HERE? WELL, PEOPLE ARE AFRAID BECAUSE THEY SEE IT ONLINE, THEY SEE IT HAPPENING IN OTHER PLACES.
SO I WOULD JUST HOPE THAT WE KEEP OUR COLLABORATION WITH ICE AT A MINIMUM, IF AT ALL.
AND SO I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE ON THAT.
AND, AND WHAT I'M HOPING IS THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO POLICE AND WORK WITH EVERYONE IN DALLAS THE WAY THAT WE HAVE BEEN.
WHAT I'M AFRAID OF, YOU'LL BRING ATTENTION WHERE WE SHOULDN'T BRING ATTENTION, AND THE NEXT THING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH.
WHEREAS IF WE LET, WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NOTHING HAPPENING IN DALLAS, BUT EVERY TIME WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE'RE BRINGING MORE ATTENTION TO DALLAS.
WE DON'T WANNA DEAL WITH THAT SMOKE.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE DOING THIS WHEN NOTHING HAS HAPPENED.
AND EVERY TIME SOMEONE SAYS, WELL, THIS, THIS, AND THIS, IT'S LIKE, IT'S NOT TRUE.
OKAY, WELL, LET'S HOPE IT STAYS THAT WAY.
UH, I WANNA NOW OFFER THE MICROPHONE TO, UH, BOARD MEMBER BRIAN BAUGH, DISTRICT FIVE.
UH, LIKE MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, WRITTEN COMMENTS OR REMARKS, BUT I, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO BOTH MYSELF AND MAYBE SOME AUDIENCE MEMBERS IF YOU COULD SPEAK SOME TO, AND I, AND I, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS HAPPENING HERE OR NOT, UH, BUT I KNOW I I BELIEVE IT'S HAPPENING OTHER PLACES WHERE ICE OFFICERS ARE WEARING, UM, LOCAL POLICE OFFICER UNIFORMS AND IDENTIFYING AS LOCAL POLICE.
UH, IS THAT A SITUATION THAT'S HAPPENING IN DALLAS, UH, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE? AND IF, IF IT IS, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD APPROVE OF, DISAPPROVE OF? IS THERE A WAY TO SORT THAT OUT OF ICE AGENTS IDENTIFYING AS LOCAL POLICE? THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IN DALLAS.
AND I'VE NOT HEARD OF THAT HAPPENING IN ANYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES.
UM, I TALKED TO CHIEFS ON A REGULAR, I'M ON, UH, MAJOR CITY CHIEFS.
I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THAT HAPPENING, NOR WOULD THAT BE LEGAL.
SO THERE, THERE, THERE ARE, UH, FEDERAL CASE, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MAKING THEIR WAY THROUGH THE FEDERAL COURTS OF ICE AGENTS, ESSENTIALLY, UH, LIKE THEY'RE ASSIGNED TO A TASK FORCE THAT COULD BE DIFFERENTLY.
SO THE, THE, THESE ARE, IT'S KNOCK IN QUESTION TYPE CASES WHERE THEY'RE, IT, THEY'RE CALLED KNOCK IN QUESTION, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY BEING DEEMED UNCONSTITUTIONAL OF, AND THEY, THEY'RE WEARING A POLICE UNIFORM ARE, WELL, SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE UNIFORM.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE IDENTIFYING THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, VOCALIZING THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE POLICE TO ABLE TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO SOMEONE.
UH, AND THAT'S, COURTS HAVE BEEN DEEMING THAT AS UNCONSTITUTIONAL BEHAVIOR.
I, I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED IN DALLAS AT ALL, VERY CONFIDENT.
AND I HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ICE SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE HERE, AND WE TALK ON A REGULAR, AND I KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING HERE, AND HE'S BEEN KEEPING ME INFORMED NONE OF THAT'S HAPPENING HERE IN DALLAS.
SO IF, IF, IF SOMEONE SEES SOMEONE IN A POLICE UNIFORM AND THEY'RE MAKING ARRESTS THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE THEN RELATED TO ICE, UNLESS IT'S A, IT'S A, I'M TALKING ABOUT DPD UNIFORM.
NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT WILL NOT EVER GIVE OUR UNIFORM TO ANY FEDERAL AGENT TO DO ANY TYPE OF ENFORCEMENT.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT 100% WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
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OKAY.WOULD NOW LIKE TO MOVE, UH, TO DISTRICT SIX, UH, BOARD MEMBER GRAM WANNA GIVE YOU OPPORTUNITY, UH, DIALOGUE WITH THE CHIEF.
UH, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, YOUR THREE MINUTES WILL BEGIN.
DERRICK PEGRAM, EXCUSE ME, DERRICK PEGRAM.
IT'S NICE TO SEE SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD TO ACTUALLY SEE A CHIEF SHOW UP.
AND THAT'S, IT'S BEAUTIFULLY PROMISING.
SECONDLY, I AM AN EDUCATOR OF LITTLE CHILDREN IN PLEASANT GROVE, AND I CAN SEE THE FEAR OF THE PARENTS AS THEY TRY TO GET IN AND GET OUT OF THE DRIVE LINE TO MAKE SURE THEIR KIDS ARE GETTING EDUCATION.
BUT I CAN ALSO SEE THE FEAR OF THE KIDS WHEN THEY, THE PARENTS ARE GONE.
AND I COULDN'T IMAGINE, UM, THE CONVERSATION THAT THEY HEAR AT HOME.
I MIGHT GET A LITTLE EMOTIONAL, BUT THE FEAR THAT A 5-YEAR-OLD CAN HAVE, THAT THEIR IDEA OF A POLICE, AND WHETHER IT'S ICE OR IT'S, IT'S ABOUT WHAT THEY IDENTIFY WITH.
AND WHEN THEY SEE THAT WORD POLICE AND THEY'RE ONLY FIRED, BUT THEY KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, THE FEAR OF TEACHING A CHILD, THE FEAR OF TEACHING A CHILD WITH THAT MUCH FEAR IS VERY SADDENING.
AND IT WILL, IT, UM, I GUESS MY REQUEST WOULD BE HOPING THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITH YOU AND, AND BEING COOL WITH THE ICE, UM, GUY IS, IS, UM, ON POINT.
BUT AT THE, ON THE BIGGEST PART TO SEE THE, THE, THE FOOTAGE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN DALLAS SHOWING THIS, THEY'RE NOT COMING FROM SUBURBIA OR A WHOLE NOTHER CITY.
AND EVEN ME, I SEE, I SEE THE, THE, UH, THE, THE VETS WITH POLICE ON IT.
THAT'S, THAT THAT INSIGHTS FEAR ON A WHOLE NOTHER LEVEL.
AND I'M WONDERING WHAT CAN DI, UM, UH, THE DPD DO AS FAR AS MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S NOT SO MUCH OF A, A, A BLURRED LINE BETWEEN WHAT'S POLICE AND WHAT'S ICE, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT YOU'RE NOT WEARING A MASK, YOU SEE? SO THAT, BUT ONCE AGAIN, EXCUSE ME, MY, UH, EMOTION, BUT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CHILDREN THAT ARE GONNA GROW UP IN THIS CITY HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT POLICE IS.
AND IT SHOULDN'T BE A BAD THING, BUT I CAN SEE IF YOU'RE GONNA TAKE MY MOM AND MY DAD OR HELP SOMEONE TAKE MY MOM AND DAD, THE ONLY THING I KNOW, IT WILL KNOW WHERE TO GO.
THAT SEPARATION OF, OF KIDS FROM PARENT THAT IS DETRIMENTAL TO THEIR LIFE.
SO I JUST PRAY THAT, LIKE YOU SPOKE, THAT YOU'RE NOT SO MUCH PERPETUATING THAT SITUATION OR THAT IDEA OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
ANY COMMENTS? UH, IS THERE A QUESTION THAT CHIEF, OR I GUESS I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.
ANY RESPONSE ON THAT OR, UH, YEAH, I, I JUST, UH, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, NO ONE'S GONNA BE WEARING A DPD UNIFORM ENFORCING FEDERAL LAWS.
I'D LIKE TO, UH, GIVE THE MICROPHONE AT THIS TIME TO, UH, DISTRICT EIGHT, UH, JUDGE VICTOR LANDER.
UH, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, SIR.
UH, THE TIME WILL BEGIN DIALOGUE WITH THE CHIEF.
UH, JUDGE C VICTOR LANDER, DISTRICT DATE.
EVERYONE IS DOING THE SAME THING.
WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO SEE YOU HERE.
WE HAVE BEEN IN A SITUATION WHERE CHIEFS HAVE NOT SHOWN UP, UH, AND IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU HERE.
THAT BEING SAID, YOU DID SEE THE VIDEO THAT WAS JUST SHOWN A MOMENT AGO, WHICH SHOWED PEOPLE, AND I WON'T CALL 'EM OFFICERS, I'LL CALL THEM PEOPLE WEARING GARB THAT SAYS POLICE AND BEING MASKED.
IS THAT, OR IS THAT NOT ILLEGAL IF THEY'RE LAW ENFORCEMENT? IT'S NOT ILLEGAL.
I, AND I COULDN'T SEE THE VIDEO, SO FROM WHERE I WAS, BUT, UM, WE WOULD, I WOULD REQUEST THAT, UH, THAT VIDEO BE SHOWN AGAIN SO THAT HE CAN SEE IT.
IT WAS AS SPECIFIC AS I'VE EVER SEEN.
AND I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT THE CHIEF KNOWS THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE WEARING UNIFORMS OR WEARING, UM, GARB THAT SAYS POLICE, AND THEY'RE IDENTIFYING SELF-IDENTIFYING AS POLICE AND AS A LAWYER AND AS A FORMER JUDGE, I KNOW THAT TO BE ILLEGAL.
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WELL, AND SOMETIMES IT, LIKE, WE PROBABLY NEED MORE CONTEXT OF THE VI OF, OF THE VIDEO, RIGHT? IT COULD BE NARCOTICS.IF IT'S A NARCOTICS UNIT, IT'LL SAY POLICE, AND THEY MIGHT HAVE THEIR FACE COVERED IF THEY'RE RUNNING A NARCOTICS WARRANT, IF IT'S, IF IT'S A, THEY'RE RUNNING FELONY WARRANTS.
LIKE RIGHT NOW WE'VE JUST ARRESTED OVER 450 INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE FELONY WARRANTS OUT THERE, AND THEY COULD JUST HAVE POLICE ON.
SO WE, WE NEED TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE LOCATION, THEN WE CAN PROBABLY FIND OUT WHO WAS ARRESTED, WHAT THE REPORT WAS ABOUT.
UM, BECAUSE YES, YOU CAN, OKAY, I'M LOOKING AT THE VIDEO NOW.
IT SAYS POLICE, BUT I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T, THAT COULD BE A NARCOTICS WARRANT.
THAT COULD BE LAST MONTH WE DID OVER 115 FELONY ARRESTS FOR SEXUAL OFFENDERS, AND WE WERE OUT EVERY SINGLE DAY ARRESTING SEXUAL OFFENDERS.
AND OVER THE LAST THREE MONTHS, WE'VE ARRESTED 450 FELONY INDIVIDUALS RESPONSIBLE FOR OVER 2300 ARRESTS.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN ONE OF THOSE.
UM, AND THAT, THAT'S NOT ILLEGAL, WHAT I JUST SAW RIGHT THERE.
SO IT IS YOUR POSITION THAT IF THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE WEARING GARB THAT SAYS POLICE, THEY ARE EITHER ONE DOING IT AT THE AUTHORITY OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IT'S A, UM, ARREST AND BECAUSE THEY ARE IN FACT, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, OR TWO, IT IS BEING, IS NOT BEING DONE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
THAT WAS YOUR INFORMATION A MOMENT AGO, IS THAT THESE KIND OF ICE RAIDS, WHICH THESE FOLKS ARE BROUGHT UP, ARE NOT BEING DONE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND I'M ASKING WHETHER TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE OR TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF YOUR STAFF, ANY OF THESE ICE RAIDS ARE ACTUALLY BEING DONE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF DALLAS WITH YOUR ASSISTANCE.
WHEN I SAY YOU, I'M TALKING ABOUT DPD.
SO LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT FIRST CASE ICE CALLED US AND SAID THEY HAD FEDERAL SEARCH WARRANTS AND THEY NEEDED US TO HOLD A PERIMETER FOR THEM.
WE HAVE HAD NO OFFICERS GOING OUT WITH ICE AGENTS TO MAKE IMMIGRATION ARRESTS.
AND I HOPE AFTER THIS MEETING, WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH THIS NEXT WEEK WHERE WE WILL HAVE THEM HERE DOING IMMIGRATION ARRESTS.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU SINCE I'VE BEEN THE CHIEF HERE, WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT TO THIS DATE YET.
AND I'M HOPING, I'M HOPING THAT THIS CONTINUES BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS IN OPEN AIRS.
I BELIEVE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE KIND OF OPENING PANDORA'S BOX, AND I RECOGNIZE THAT, AND I'M HOPING THAT IT CONTINUES THE WAY IT'S BEEN BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD NO ISSUES WITH DPD IN THIS AREA.
SO IF AN OFFICER COMES BEFORE US OR IS BROUGHT BEFORE US, IF A DPD OFFICER IS BROUGHT BEFORE US AND HAS BEEN, UH, CHARGED WITH OR ALLEG ALLEGED TO HAVE BEEN ASSISTING, UH, ICE IN IMMIGRATION, UH, ENFORCEMENT, IF YOU WILL, THEN IN YOUR POSITION, IN YOUR OPINION, THAT OFFICER SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DOING THAT.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IT NOW? IT, IF THEY NEED US TO, IF THEY'RE DOING AN OPERATION AND WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE PERIMETER OR BE THERE TO TRANSPORT, YES, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL DO.
AS I'VE SAID, THERE'S TIMES WHERE WE WILL HAVE TO CO COOPERATE AND ASSIST, BUT WE AS DPD ARE NOT DOING ANY IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.
WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT, NOR HAVE WE DONE THAT, NOR WILL WE DO THAT.
IF YOU OR YOUR OFFICERS SEE AN INDIVIDUAL MASKED WEARING GARB THAT SAYS POLICE AND DOING THIS, ARE THEY, IN YOUR OPINION, BREAKING THE LAW AND WOULD THEY BE BROUGHT UP AS HAVING BROKEN THE LAW? THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS SAID THERE ARE NOT BREAKING THE LAW BY DOING THAT.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE, SIR.
UH, WANTED TO, UH, NOW BRING IT TO, UH, BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE.
UM, SO I, I THINK THAT, UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE,
UM, UH, I HAVE QUESTIONS AROUND, UH, DATA SURVEILLANCE AND CIVIL LIBERTIES.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW DPD OPERATES A FLEET OF 130 PLUS DRONES.
THEY'VE BEEN DEPLOYED AROUND 8,000, 8,000 TIMES IN 24, ACCORDING TO THE DATA THAT WE'VE SEEN.
AND THEY'VE BEEN USED AS A FORCE MULTIPLYING TOOL TO ADDRESS STAFFING SHORTAGES.
UM, HOW DOES THE DEPARTMENT, HOW WILL
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THE DEPARTMENT ENSURE STRICT ADHERENCE TO PRIVACY SAFEGUARDS AS OUTLINED IN THE TEXAS DATE OF PRIVACY AND SECURITY ACT ABOUT VIDEO RECORDING FOR FELONY LIFE OR DEATH WARRANT? CONSENT, NO PROBABLE CAUSE SURVEILLANCE, UM, NO OVER FLIGHTS OF PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHOUT A WARRANT, ESPECIALLY GIVEN PAST CONCERNS ABOUT LEAKED SURVEILLANCE FOOTAGE AND WARNINGS FROM CIVIL LIBERTIES ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE A CLU ABOUT, UH, ABOUT MASS AERIAL SURVEILLANCE.UM, AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD IN THERE TOO, UM, LIKE WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE, UM, WE HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN HERE, SO THIS IS THE FIRST CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD.
BUT, UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONCERN WITH A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE FLOCK CAMERAS, THE DATA FROM THE FLOCK CAMERAS, HOW IT'S BEING USED WITH FACIAL RECOGNITION.
UM, YOU KNOW, MYSELF PERSONALLY, I WORK IN THE TECHNOLOGY INDUSTRY AND HAVE WORKED INTIMATELY ON LIKE FACIAL RECOGNITION SOFTWARE PROGRAMS, AND THEY ARE VERY FAULTY WHEN IT COMES TO BLACK AND BROWN, UH, RECOGNIZING BLACK AND BROWN CITIZENS, I MEAN FACES.
UM, SO, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERNS AROUND THAT ARE LIKE, THE QUESTION I GUESS IS, UH, HOW CAN WE BEGIN TO HAVE A WINDOW INTO THAT, UH, TO REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY, TO KNOW HOW, HOW ALL THIS TECHNOLOGY IS BEING USED, HOW THIS DATA IS BEING USED AS WELL, AND IS IT BEING, IS IT BEING SHARED WITH ICE? IS IT BEING SHARED WITH HOW, HOW THE DEPARTMENT USING IT AS WELL? YOU WANT TAKE THAT FIRST ONE OR DO YOU WANT ME TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE DRONES AND EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT CHIEF, UH, MONIQUE, ALEX, I'LL GIVE YOU THE OVER THE HIGH OVERVIEW LEVEL ON DRONES.
AND HOW HAVE WE KNOWN THAT THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION WOULD BE ASKED? WE WOULD'VE BROUGHT ONE OF THE DRONE PILOTS COME IN.
SO THE GOVERNANCE OVER THE, UH, FIRST THE FAA GOVERNANCE AND THE TEXAS CODE, UH, GOVERNMENT CODE 4 23 SETS THE GUIDELINES ON DRONE USAGE.
NOW WE, WHEN UTILIZING THE DRONE, WE'RE THE, THE SCOPE IS TO NOT VIOLATE ANYONE'S FOURTH AMENDMENT.
RIGHT? SO WITH OUR POLICY, IF IT'S NOT A FELONY SEARCH WARRANT, WE CAN'T RECORD, UM, THE DRONES ARE UTILIZED.
THERE'S, THERE'S A LIST AND I'LL LEAVE THE POLICY WITH, UH, WITH MS. ANDRE.
BUT WE DO HAVE A DRONE POLICY THAT LISTS WHEN WE CAN AND WHEN WE CANNOT USE DRONES, UH, IT'S, IT'S OUR POLICY SPECIFICALLY TO USE THEM AS DURING A FELONY WARRANT, DURING A, UH, A PROTEST DURING, UH, A LARGE SCALE EVENT, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT 15 OR 20 THAT, THAT WE CAN, WE CAN GO DOWN, BUT THERE IS A DRONE POLICY, UH, DRAFTED AND HAS BEEN DRAFTED BOTH IN PATROL SOP AS WELL AS, UH, OUR, UM, AERIAL SUPPORT UNIT.
AND, AND, AND WE ARE UTILIZING, UH, THOSE DRONES.
UM, SO YOU'LL GET THOSE TO DIRECTOR ANDRE FOR US TO REVIEW? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
AND JUST THE OTHER BACKSIDE OF THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE FLOCK CAMERAS.
AND, AND ALSO JUST SO YOU CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON DRONES, WE USE DRONES FOR VARIOUS OPERATIONS, LIKE SWAT USES DRONES, AND THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL TIMES WHERE, IN MY OPINION, THE DRONE HAS ACTUALLY SAVED LIVES.
BECAUSE YOU GO INTO A SEARCH WARRANT, YOU FLY A DRONE INTO A HOUSE, RATHER THAN THE SWAT TEAM HAVING TO GO INSIDE A HOUSE, YOU FLY THE DRONE INTO THE HOUSE AND IT GOES IN EACH ROOM AND IT'S FIND, AND IT CAN FIND THE TARGET OR THE SUSPECT OF SOMEONE THAT HAS COMMITTED A CRIME OR HAS A WARRANT OUT.
AND OFTENTIMES WHEN THAT DRONE SEES 'EM, THEY SEE THE DRONE AND THEY'LL PUT THEIR HANDS UP AND THEN WE CAN GIVE COMMANDS FOR THEM TO COME OUT OF THE HOUSE WITH, WITH, WITH THE USE OF A DRONE, WHICH MAKES EVERYONE IN DALLAS SAFER BECAUSE NOW THEY DON'T HAVE TO RUN IN WORRY ABOUT THE PERSON AND SAY, BEING AFRAID OF BEING ALARMED, REACHING FOR A GUN, REACHING FOR A KNIFE.
SO THERE'S MANY INSTANCES WHERE DRONES HAS ACTUALLY SAVED LIVES.
AND THAT HAS HAPPENED THIS YEAR WHERE I'VE WITNESSED IT.
SO, UM, THE TECHNOLOGY IS, IT'S MOVING FORWARD AND IT'S, IT'S REALLY THERE TO HELP AND ASSIST.
AND THERE'S, I GO TO MANY TOWN HALL MEETINGS AND ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR QUESTIONS IS, CHIEF, WHEN WILL YOU GET DRONES AS FIRST RESPONDERS? LIKE, THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR QUESTIONS WHERE THE COMMUNITY IN DALLAS WANTS DRONES AND THEY WANT MORE OF 'EM.
UM, SO, AND LEMME GO TO YOUR, YOUR FLOCK CAMERA QUESTION.
THE FLOCK CAMERAS IS ONE OF THE BEST THINGS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.
AND FOR DALLAS, I KNOW BECAUSE OF FLOCK CAMERAS, WE STOPPED WITH, IN MY OPINION, WOULD'VE BEEN A SERIAL KILLER HERE IN DALLAS AFTER HE KILLED TWO PEOPLE
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WITHOUT THAT FLOCK CAMERA, WE WOULD'VE HAD A SERIAL KILLER HERE.HE WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY, JUST THE MURDERS THAT TOOK PLACE LAST WEEKEND WITHOUT THE FLOCK CAMERAS, THEY WOULD NOT BE IN CUSTODY RIGHT NOW.
AND THEY, THEY WERE HERE COMMITTED MURDERS, KILLED THREE PEOPLE HERE WAS IN HOUSTON.
WE TOOK THE FLOCK CAMERA, WE GOT THE PLATE, WE FOLLOWED THEM, ARRESTED HIM IN HOUSTON.
FLOCK CAMERAS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ARE KEEPING PEOPLE IN DALLAS SAFE.
AND THERE'S ALSO PEOPLE WHO ARE COMMITTING CRIMES THAT HAS SAID, MAN, WE GOTTA BE CAREFUL WHAT WE DO AND HOW WE DO IT BECAUSE WE KNOW Y'ALL HAVE THE FLOCK CAMERAS AND THEY'RE TRYING TO BEAT THE CAMERAS.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE POSITIVES OUTWEIGH THE NEGATIVES SO MUCH.
AND THE CAMERAS THERE WAS THAT THE, THE, THE RESEARCH THAT WAS DID, AND WE USED IT, UM, ICE HAD REQUESTED SOME INFORMATION ON THE FLOCK CAMERA THAT WAS FOR A HUMAN TRAFFICKING SEXUAL OFFENDER SUSPECT.
AND YES, WE RAN THE PLATE AND WE, WE SUCCESSFULLY ARRESTED SOMEONE THAT WAS OUT THERE FOR SEXUAL A SEXUAL OFFENSE.
SO THERE ARE INSTANCE, IF THEY COME, THEY BEING ANY OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OR SAY A FEDERAL AGENCY AND THEY HAVE A WARRANT AND THEY SAY, HEY, HERE'S A WARRANT AND THEY'RE DRIVING THIS CAR, CAN YOU GIVE US SOME INFORMATION? WE ABSOLUTELY LOOK THAT UP.
AND I I WILL SAY, YES, WE WILL LOOK THAT UP.
SO THAT WAS ONE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION.
SO I, DOES ICE HAVE ACCESS TO THE DATA UNLESS THEY REQUEST TO GET A WARRANT? THEY DO NOT.
AND, AND I HEAR YOU, UM, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE GOOD THINGS THAT THE FLOCK CAMERA HAS LED TO, AND I MEAN, THAT'S GREAT, BUT YOU KNOW, OUR JOB IS TRANSPARENCY AND DATA
SO WE CAN QUANTIFY IF THE GOOD OUTWEIGHS THE BAD.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I I, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST ASKING HOW CAN WE BEGIN TO SET UP A PIPELINE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SEE, UM, DATA, JUST LIKE WE SEE DATA ON ARREST AND DIFFERENT OTHER THINGS THAT WE REQUEST ON HOW THAT FLOCK CAMERA DATA, DRONE DATA IS BEING USED.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THE, HOW WE CAN USE THE FLOCK.
CAMERAS ARE ALL OVER AND PLATES ARE, ARE RUNNING THROUGH 'EM AND, AND I'M TELLING YOU, IT'S KEEPING YOU SAFE.
IF SOMEBODY DOES SOMETHING TO YOU, MAYBE TEETH, BUT IT'S OUR JOB TO, TO QUANTIFY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT I, I, I WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO DO IT BECAUSE EVERY TIME A CAR DRIVES BY THE PLATE'S BEING CAPTURED.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY, SORRY, RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT? I DON'T HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS, BUT I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN DISCUSS AND SEE WHAT, WHAT YOU NEED.
I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW, UH, AND I THINK THERE'S A MISCONCEPTION THAT FLOCK IS CATCHING FACIAL RECOGNITION WHEN IT'S NOT.
IT'S ONLY LICENSE PLATE AND IT'S ONLY THE REAR LICENSE PLATE.
SO THERE'S NO FACE FACIAL RECOGNITION ON FLOCK.
UM, BUT I THINK, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT KIND OF DATA YOU, YOU, YOU WOULD NEED OR YOU'RE REQUESTING FOR FLOCK.
SO IF WE MAYBE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, WE CAN PROBABLY GET MS. ANDRE WHAT SHE NEEDS, BUT I'M NOT SURE.
I'M GLAD THE CHIEF JUST MADE THAT POINT BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOME MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT WHAT FLOCK CAN DO.
AND JUST TO, TO GIVE YOU A BIT, SO SAY YOU SAY WE, WE HAVE A RED MUSTANG WITH THIS PLATE, AND UM, A WITNESS SAID, HEY, I SAW THIS CAR RED MUSTANG AND IT HAD GHT AS A PLATE.
WE CAN ENTER THAT IN AND THEN SEE WHERE A RED MUSTANG WITH GHT WOULD TRAVEL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
AND THEN WE SAY, OKAY, THE LAST TIME IT WAS SEEN WAS IN THIS AREA AND IT DIDN'T TRAVEL ANYWHERE ELSE, WELL THEN WE TAKE OFFICERS TO GO IN THAT AREA AND LOOK FOR A RED MUSTANG THAT HAS GHT ON IT.
AND OKAY, NOW HE'S INSIDE THIS HOUSE, SO, OKAY, NOW WE'RE GONNA SIT UP ON THIS HOUSE AND SEE WHEN HE LEAVES.
AND THEN THAT'S HOW WE SOLVE CRIMES.
IS THAT FLOCK DATA BEING USED? I MEAN, ARE PRIVATE COMPANIES ABLE TO GET ACCESS TO THAT DATA? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
I'LL HAVE TO, I'LL HAVE TO CHECK AND GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT ONE.
YEAH, I, I'VE HAD A FEW PEOPLE CALL ME THAT, UH, HEY MICHIGANS, IF YOU CAN, YOUR TIME'S EXPIRED.
SO FINISHES, YEAH, IF YOU CAN, UH, THAT HAVE TOLD ME THAT TOLD SERVICES HAVE TRACKED THEM DOWN BASED ON BEING PINGED THROUGH FLOCK CAMERA DATA.
SO THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SYSTEM THAT'S NOT OUR CAMERAS.
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YOU HAVE RECORD DRIVERS THAT HAVE THEIR OWN SYSTEM THAT THEY'RE DOING, OR THEY TAKE PICTURES OF VEHICLES AND THEY'LL GO IN THE PARKING LOTS AND THEY STORE THEIR OWN DATABASE.THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH US.
APPRECIATE YOU THAT, UH, I WANNA NOW, UH, INVITE JENNY KING, DISTRICT 10, UH, DIALOGUE WITH THE CHIEF.
AND WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, YOU'RE THREE MINUTES, WE WILL, UH, WE'LL BEGIN.
I HAVE TO HAVE MY READERS ON, UM, BUT, BUT I CAN SAY WELCOME WITHOUT MY READERS.
UM, AND MY QUESTION TONIGHT AND MY COMMENTS ARE GONNA BE ABOUT COMMUNITY AND I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND READ A LITTLE BIT AND THEN I'LL GET TO MY QUESTIONS.
UM, I AM JENNY KING AND I AM A LONG TIME RESIDENT HERE IN DALLAS AND LIKE OTHERS ON THIS COM, THIS COMMITTEE, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN COMMUNITY RELATIONS AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS FOR A LONG TIME.
AND FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS I'VE LIVED IN NORTHEAST DALLAS, WHICH IS DISTRICT 10.
AND THAT COMPRISES THE HISTORIC HAMILTON PARK NEIGHBORHOOD AND A BROADER COMMUNITY OF LAKE HIGHLANDS.
WE ARE LOCATED WITHIN DPDS, NORTHEAST POLICE, SUBSTATION, AND COUNCILWOMAN.
KATHY STEWART IS OUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE, JUST TO GIVE YOU CONTEXT MY DISTRICT IS A VIBRANT AND DIVERSE COMMUNITY WITH NEIGHBORS WHO ARE NATIVE TEXANS, THOSE WHO ARE LONGTIME RESIDENTS AND NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE COME FROM PLACES FROM AROUND THE WORLD.
UM, I MEAN, WHO IS FROM DALLAS? REALLY? MAYBE SOME PEOPLE HERE.
EVERYONE'S FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WE HAVE HOMES, APARTMENTS, PARKS.
UM, AND YOU GUYS HAVE HELPED US WITH, WITH THAT.
UM, ONE OF THE KIND OF INTERESTING FACTS IS THAT OUR KIDS GO TO RICHARDSON SCHOOLS, BUT BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE'RE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND OUR KIDS SPEAK MORE THAN 30 LANGUAGES, AND I JUST THINK THAT'S REALLY COOL, UM, WE HAVE GREAT DPD OFFICERS WHO SERVE IN THOSE SCHOOLS, AND THEY KEEP OUR KIDS SAFE.
UM, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS TONIGHT ABOUT THE FEAR IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE DISTRUST OF OUR POLICE, AND I WANNA BELIEVE IN THE BEST THAT YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES REPRESENT.
AND THAT'S WHERE I WANNA GO FIRST.
BUT, UM, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF FEAR.
SO I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION IS, HOW CAN YOU ALL, AND HOW CAN WE HELP YOU ALL REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE LIVING IN FEAR AND START BUILDING BRIDGES AND BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS? I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE RIGHT NOW, BUT WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT'S MAYBE A LITTLE DIFFERENT? AND GIVEN ALL OF OUR, UM, THE DYNAMICS IN SOCIETY RIGHT NOW? WELL, ONE THING THAT WE WON'T DO IN DALLAS, AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT I WILL NOT BE TAKEN AWAY.
THE NPO OFFICERS, UH, NPO OFFICERS MM-HMM
THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER CITIES THAT ARE TAKING THAT ASPECT AWAY FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT.
UH, I UNDERSTAND AND REALIZE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT HERE IN DALLAS, AND THEY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE AND WE'RE GONNA BE OUT THERE ENGAGING IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE'RE NOT ONLY GONNA BE PRESENT, WE'LL BE ENGAGING, AND WE'LL BE THERE TO ASSIST IN ANYTHING THAT WE CAN ASSIST IN.
UM, WE ARE THERE TO GIVE EDUCATION AND AWARENESS EVEN WHEN IT COMES TO, TO CRIME.
WE'RE STARTING TEAMS WHERE THEY'RE GOING OUT AND THEY'RE TALKING TO BUSINESSES AND SAYING, HEY, THIS IS HOW WE CAN HELP KEEP YOU SAFE.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE HERE TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITIES BECAUSE, UM, FOR ME, IF I CAN GIVE YOU EDUCATION AND AWARENESS AND STOP YOU FROM COMMITTING A CRIME, THAT'S A WIN FOR ME.
BUT IF YOU CROSS THE LINE AND YOU COMMIT A CRIME, THEN I'LL HAVE TO DO MY JOB AND ENFORCE THE LAW.
BUT EDUCATIONAL AWARENESS IS A BIG PART OF WHAT I BELIEVE IN, AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GONNA DO FROM THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND A LOT OF THAT IS COMING FROM OUR NPO OFFICERS.
AND I'M EXCITED TO SAY THAT, AND I'M EXCITED TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
COMMUNITY AND POLICING AND NPOS ARE SO IMPORTANT.
UM, YOU EARLIER OPENED WITH SOME, OR YOU ANSWERED ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS ABOUT HIRING SO MANY OFFICERS, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT.
AND I'M CURIOUS HOW WE RECRUITED SO MANY OFFICERS, YOU KNOW, TO REACH OUR TARGET OR ALMOST EXCEED THAT.
AND HOW MANY OF THOSE MIGHT BE SPEAKING ONE OR TWO OTHER LANGUAGES THAN ENGLISH? WELL, IN THIS LAST CLASS WE HAVE AT OUTTA 77, APPROXIMATELY 50% WERE LATINOS.
AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, 2020 WOMEN WERE IN THAT CLASS ALSO.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DIFFERENT LANGUAGES ARE IN THAT PARTICULAR CLASS MM-HMM
BUT OUR RECRUITING HAS BEEN EXTREMELY DIVERSE, UM, IN THIS CLASS.
AND DON'T HOLD ME EXACTLY TO THE NUMBER, BUT I THINK IT WAS 20 SOMEWHAT, UH, AFRICAN AMERICANS IN THAT CLASS ALSO OUTTA 70, 77.
SO THE CLASSES ARE BEING REALLY DIVERSE RIGHT NOW, UH, WHICH I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT.
UM, I, I MEAN, MY OTHER, MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S INTERESTING IN D 10 IS WE HAVE
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A BOXING GYM.AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN REALLY SUCCESSFUL WITH THE APARTMENT COMMUNITY AROUND THAT GYM TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS WITH THESE YOUTH TO GIVE THEM AN OUTLET FOR THEIR FREE TIME SO THAT IT'S SPENT ON SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE FOR THEM VERSUS, YOU KNOW, GETTING INTO MISCHIEF.
WHAT OTHER THINGS DO YOU SEE DPD GETTING INVOLVED WITH THAT ARE SIMILAR IN GOAL? WELL, I'VE BEEN TO THAT PARKING LOT, UH, WHERE THE GYM IS, AND THEY'RE BUILDING A PARK RIGHT NEXT TO IT, IF I RECALL.
IT'S A NEW PARKING MATTER PARK.
MATTER FACT, I'VE BEEN THERE A COUPLE TIMES MM-HMM
UM, SO I REALLY WANT TO PUSH OUR EXPLORER PROGRAM.
I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE AN AMAZING EXPLORER PROGRAM, AND IT'S GONNA BE THE GATEWAY, HOPEFULLY, TO, UH, RECRUITING ALSO MM-HMM
BUT IT'S A WAY THAT WE CAN SHOW THE COMMUNITY AND KIDS IN THE COMMUNITY WHAT WE'RE ABOUT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
UH, THE DIRECTION WE'RE TRYING TO GO IN, AND THE PROGRAM IS REALLY GOOD.
AND THEN THEY ALSO COMPETE IN COMPETITIONS THROUGH THAT PROGRAM.
MATTER OF FACT, WE HAD TWO BOXERS THAT WENT TO LAS VEGAS TO COMPETE FROM DPD ON EXPLORERS PROGRAM MM-HMM
SO I, I REALLY WANT THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT PROGRAM SO THEN THEY CAN UNDERSTAND LAW ENFORCEMENT ALSO.
WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND I WISH YOU CONTINUED SUCCESS.
I KNOW IT'S A VERY TOUGH TIME, AND WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS FEEL SAFE AND THEY DON'T FEEL TARGETED.
AND I KNOW THAT'S A TOUGH THING FOR YOU TO BALANCE.
THE FIRST TIME I HEARD THAT, MAN.
THAT'S LIKE A, THAT'S A BUZZER SHOT.
I'D LIKE TO, UH, NOW INVITE BOARD MEMBER JACKSON, DISTRICT SEVEN, UH, WE THREE MINUTES, WE'LL BEGIN WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
I THINK YOU'VE BROKEN THE RECORD OF CHIEFS THAT COMES, SO WE HOPE THAT YOU CAN EXCEED THAT RECORD, UH, PREFERABLY ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.
I'M GONNA SHIFT THE NARRATIVE JUST A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY OF APPOINTED OFFICIALS AND PEOPLE WHO SERVE AT THE CITY OF DALLAS, BECAUSE THEY SPECIFICALLY DON'T HAVE THE SAME PROTECTIONS OF THE LAW AS MAYBE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS WOULD HAVE.
AND MANY OF US GIVE OUR TIME, EFFORT, AND ENERGY, WHETHER IT BE TWO AND A HALF HOURS AT A TIME, OR WHEN I WAS ON THE ZONING COMMISSION, WE WOULD BE THERE FOR NINE TO 12 HOURS.
BUT I'M GONNA SPEAK FROM A PERSONAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE WITH ME, AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN PROVIDE AN ANSWER, UH, AT A PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING THAT YOU ATTENDED ON OCTOBER THE SECOND, I WAS ASSAULTED TWICE BY A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, BY THE NAME OF, UH, SIENNA INCAR, THAT'S IN THE PUBLIC RECORD.
UM, AND THE OFFICER ISSUED A TICKET, UH, FOR SPITTING ON ME, WHICH IS A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR.
UH, ABOUT AN HOUR LATER, LATER CLOSE TO ABOUT 10 O'CLOCK, HER BOYFRIEND THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA TO SHOW UP AT MY PRIVATE HOME AND INTERRUPT MY QUALITY OF LIFE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, IT DIDN'T WORK OUT THE WAY THAT HE PLANNED.
UM, AND HE SUBSEQUENTLY WAS, UH, ARRESTED AND ISSUED A TRESPASS AND, AND LEFT WITH A BRUISED EGO.
AND AMONG OTHER THINGS, UH, BUT HERE'S MY QUESTION TO YOU.
UM, PEOPLE WHO SIT ON THESE BOARDS, UH, DON'T REALLY HAVE THE PROTECTION THAT WE SHOULD HAVE.
I'VE SPOKEN TO MANY OF MY PEERS WHO GET THREATENING EMAILS, THREATENING CALLS, PEOPLE HARASS THEM AFTER MEETINGS IF THEY DON'T VOTE A CERTAIN KIND OF WAY ON A CERTAIN AGENDA.
UH, AND AS YOU KNOW, WITHIN OUR NATION, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF POLITICAL VIOLENCE THAT'S TAKEN PLACE, WHETHER IT'S PEOPLE ON THE LEFT OR RIGHT, INDIFFERENT.
UM, IN MY SITUATION, AN INDIVIDUAL WHO'S SPAT ON ME TWICE AND AN INDIVIDUAL WHO ATTEMPTED TO ASSAULT ME WERE BOTH CHARGED WITH THE SAME THING, WHICH IS A CLASS C, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A TICKET AND NO DETECTIVE ASSIGNED.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOUR OFFICE CAN DO, UH, TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE WHO, UM, ASSAULT, UH, PUBLIC OFFICIALS, SPECIFICALLY THOSE WHO ARE APPOINTED TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE CHARGED WITH A HIGHER CRIME OF A CLASS A OR, OR, OR EVEN HIGHER? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT IN SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THAT THEY CAN INTERRUPT YOUR QUALITY OF LIVING, AND THE ONLY THING THEY'RE GONNA GET IS A $500 TICKET OR OTHER THINGS, IN MY CASE, UM, IT'S NOT GONNA REALLY PREVENT THEM FROM WANTING TO DO THIS.
AND WE DON'T WANNA SET A PRECEDENT HERE IN DALLAS.
OF COURSE, IF YOU WALK OUT PAST, I THINK THAT'S ELMER MAINE, YOU SEE A FEW EXS IN THE ROAD FROM SOME POLITICAL VIOLENCE THAT TOOK PLACE WITH A PRESIDENT HERE ABOUT 60 YEARS AGO.
AND WE DON'T WANNA SET THAT TONE THAT IT'S OKAY FOR PEOPLE TO ASSAULT PUBLIC OFFICIALS WHO DON'T HAVE THE SAME PROTECTIONS.
IF Y'ALL COULD STOP THAT CLOCK FOR ME, IT'S NOT THE CLOCK IN CASE YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP.
UM, SO I, I'LL, I'LL ADDRESS THE ACTUAL, THE OFFENSE.
SO REGARDLESS OF YOUR ELECTRIC OFFICIAL OR NOT, DPD HAS TO FOLLOW THE PENAL CODE, RIGHT? SO WHETHER IT'S A, A CLASS, A OFFENSE FOR ASSAULT WHERE YOU FELT PAIN, OR IT'S A MISDEMEANOR C, WE STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAW REGARDLESS OF WHO THE ELECTED RIGHT, ELECTED OFFICIAL IS.
NOW, THERE ARE SOME SAFE REGARDS WHEN IT COMES TO THE ELECTED OFFICIALS.
I'M OVER THE CRIMINAL INTE INTELLIGENCE DIVISION, AND WE DO
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SIT WITH THE MAYOR.WE DO SIT WITH THE CITY MANAGER.
WE HAVE BEEN TO SOME OF THE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS' HOUSE.
SO THOSE PROTECTIONS ARE THERE, BUT THO THEY'RE ALL, THERE'S ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STILL, YOU'RE STILL, WE'RE ALL STILL CITIZENS.
WE ALSO HAVE TO, TO, UM, CALL FOR OFFICERS IF, IF IN NEED.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A LARGE CRIMINAL INTELLIGENCE FOOTPRINT, RIGHT? SO SOME OF THOSE PROTECTIONS ARE FOR THOSE SPECIFIC ELECTED OFFICIALS.
NOW, IF YOU DO THINK THERE'S, AND THAT'S FOR ALL YOU GUYS THAT SIT ON THE BOARD OR ANY OTHER CITIZEN, IF THEY NEED SOME EXTRA PATROL, THEY CAN CALL EACH SUBSTATION, AND EACH SUBSTATION WILL ACTUALLY SEND OFFICERS TO, THEY WON'T KNOCK ON YOUR DOOR, BUT THEY WILL RET ROUTINELY CIRCLE YOUR HOUSE IF THERE'S SOME CONCERN.
BUT I, I, I CAN'T STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU ENOUGH THAT IF THERE'S SOME ISSUES, UH, BE IT WITH YOU OR, OR A SPECIFIC ELECTED OFFICIAL, THEY NEED TO LET US KNOW.
NO, I APPRECIATE THAT RESPONSE.
I GUESS IN MY SITUATION, EVEN WITH THE PAIN, IF YOU WILL, THAT WAS ADVISED TO THE, THE OFFICERS THAT RESPONDED, AND THE OFFICERS THAT RESPONDED WERE VERY PROFESSIONAL.
I'M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND BEAT UP ON 'EM.
UH, BUT THEY ELECTED NOT TO CHARGE WITH THE HIGHER CRIME, WHICH WAS WARRANTED IN MY SITUATION.
NOW I'M SIX FOOT 2, 230 POUNDS, AND I'M A MILITARY VETERAN.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THIS IS SOMEONE ON THE SENIOR COMMITTEE? YOU CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING, I CAN PHYSICALLY PROTECT MYSELF, BUT, AND IN A WEEKEND WHERE THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, 10 MURDERS, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, A PERSON DEFENDING THEIR HOME COULD HAVE BEEN THE 11TH, OR I COULD HAVE BEEN THE VICTIM OF THAT.
SO I JUST WOULD HOPE THAT DPD WOULD PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT SAYS, HEY, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S AN APPOINTED OFFICIAL AND THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY'VE BEEN ASSAULTED AND THEY FELT PAIN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN CHARGE WITH A CLASS A AND LET THE COURT SET THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, FIX THAT.
BECAUSE I, I, I'M KIND OF DANGED IF I DO AND DIFY DON'T IN THAT SITUATION, WHEN SOMEONE LOOKS UP MY ADDRESS AND COMES TO MY HOUSE AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, NO AB ABSOLUTELY.
IF YOU FELT PAIN, THAT IS A CLASS A OFFENSE THAT'S IN THE PENAL CODE PICTURE.
I DON'T THINK THE, I THINK THE RESPONDING OFFICER,
I CAN'T, I CAN'T ARGUE IS THAT I THINK IN THAT SITUATION, LOOKS WERE DECEIVING, AND I HONESTLY FELT LIKE THE POLICE OFFICERS SHOWED MORE DIFFERENCE TO THE INDIVIDUAL.
AND I, YOU CAN GO DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH ON THAT.
WE CAN HAVE LAUGHS ABOUT IT LATER, BUT WE SERVE OUR CITY AND WE SHOULDN'T BE IN FEAR THAT IF WE VOTE A CERTAIN KIND OF WAY OR IF WE TAKE A CERTAIN POSITION, THAT WE WON'T BE PROTECTED THE SAME WAY SOMEONE ELSE WILL.
BECAUSE SPEAKING TO PEOPLE WITHIN THE DISTRICT, THEY SAY 99% OF THE TIME, IF SOMEONE'S FIGHTING, IT'S JUST A CLASS C.
BUT THAT DOESN'T REALLY CREATE A DETERRENT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING AFTER US FROM A POLITICAL STANDPOINT.
ANY THOUGHT, COMMENTS ON THAT? UH, ANY, ANY LAST WORD ON THAT? THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, THEME? UH, I, I, I CAN AGREE WITH THAT.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH, WITH APPOINTED OFFICIALS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A, A STATUTE OR PROTECTION AND OUR POLICY WHEN IT COMES TO APPOINTED OFFICIALS.
I'D LIKE TO NOW INVITE A NEW, NEW MEMBER, MARY ELLEN SMITH, UH, AT THIS TIME, WELCOME TO THE BOARD AGAIN, AND, UH, WELCOME TO OUR FIRST MEETING.
AND HERE YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK TO THE CHIEF, UH, YOURSELF.
YEAH, YOUR TIME WILL BEGIN WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
AND I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY SINCE THIS IS MY FIRST BOARD MEETING, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
AND IT'S GOOD TO HEAR WHAT YOU PLAN FOR THE CITY AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR TO DO FOR THE CITY.
YOU CAN TELL EVERYBODY I'M HERE BECAUSE OF YOU,
MS. SMITH, YOU NEED TO COME TO EVERY MEETINGS AND MAYBE THE CHIEF WILL SHOW UP.
UH, I'D LIKE TO ALSO, UH, AT THIS TIME, INVITE A NEW MEMBER.
MS. JULIA SIMON, I'D LIKE TO, UH, INVITE YOU WELCOME TO AGAIN TO OUR MEETING, YOUR FIRST MEETING AS WELL.
I'D LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO TALK TO.
UH, YOUR TIME WILL BEGIN WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
UH, WELL, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
UH, I HAVE BEEN ON THIS, UH, APPOINTED THIS BOARD FOR MAYBE A WEEK AND A HALF, SO I'M NEWER THAN YOU.
UM, SO I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, UH, ONE THAT GOES ALONG THE LINES OF, OF WHAT WAS ASKED.
I WANNA ASK BOTH TOGETHER AND YOU CAN DECIDE HOW YOU WANNA, HOW YOU WANNA ANSWER THEM.
UM, I REALLY AM INTERESTED IN YOUR KEY PRIORITIES THAT YOU THINK, UH, WILL MAKE AN EFFECTIVE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE POLICE AND THE COMMUNITY IN DALLAS.
SO, BIG PICTURE, THAT'S A SOFTBALL.
AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS, UM, EARLIER YOU TALKED ABOUT SORT OF THE FAKE VIDEOS AND HOW THEY AREN'T, UM, THEY AREN'T, UM, UM, REAL AND, AND THESE THINGS AREN'T HAPPENING.
AND SO MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, HOW ARE YOU PREPARING YOUR POLICE OFFICERS FOR BEING OUT THERE WITH A COMMUNITY THAT THINKS IT IS TRUE AND, UM, HOW THEY'RE GONNA REACT WHEN, WHEN PEOPLE REALLY FEEL LIKE THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING AND THEY'RE NOT? WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS
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I'VE BEEN DOING IS GOING OUT, ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY.AND ANYTIME I'M ASKED, I'LL GO.
AND I'VE BEEN ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND I'VE BEEN TO EVERY LATINO, UH, ORGANIZATION THAT HAVE ASKED, I'VE BEEN TO, UM, ANYONE THAT CALLS AND ASKS, WE ARE THERE, WE'RE PRESENT.
UM, IF I CAN'T MAKE IT, ONE OF MY COMMAND STAFF MAKES IT.
AND WE'RE JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE, WHAT WE'RE DOING AND, AND HOW WE'RE GOING ABOUT IT.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO BREAK SOME OF THESE RUMORS THAT ARE JUST NOT TRUE OUT THERE.
NOW, UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S FEDERAL AGENCIES AND THEY'RE DOING WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THEY DO, AND WE DO WHAT WE DO.
BUT THERE'S NO TRUE COLLABORATION THAT'S HAPPENING HERE IN DALLAS.
UM, AND WE ARE JUST TRYING TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING NOW, THIS ADMINISTRATION, IT'S DIFFERENT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST HOPE IT CONTINUES TO STAY THE WAY IT'S BEEN IN DALLAS.
'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES.
I, I THINK MY, MY QUESTION THOUGH, IT REALLY IS ABOUT I UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT'S YOUR POSITION ON IT.
I GUESS I REALLY AM WORRIED ABOUT THE OFFICERS BECAUSE THERE IS ANGST OUT THERE, AND I WANNA, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE PROTECT THEM AND MAKE SURE THEY KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THAT ANGST? BECAUSE IF NOT, THAT'S WHEN YOU GET THESE, THESE ISSUES THAT COULD BE ESCALATED BECAUSE THERE'S CONFUSION AND PEOPLE AREN'T PLAYING FROM THE SAME PLAYBOOK.
AND SO I, I REALLY AM CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT'S THE PLAN TO HELP PROTECT THE OFFICERS AND THE COMMUNITY FROM THE ANGST THAT CAN BE CAUSED IN THAT SITUATION? UH, I, I UNDERSTAND NOW.
UM, LOOK, WE'VE BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS AND, AND WE TALK ABOUT IT, AND IT'S DEFINITELY, IT'S DEFINITELY A FEAR BECAUSE I, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF OFFICERS THAT'S BEEN TARGETED BECAUSE WE'RE OFFICERS.
UH, YOU GO BACK TO THE PROTESTS, AND WE MADE ONE ARREST ON A PROTEST WHERE NUMEROUS OFFICERS WERE HIT WITH BOTTLES, HIT WITH, UM, FIREWORKS WAS SPIT ON, AND WE MADE ONE ARREST.
AND, AND IT'S HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHERE OFFICERS ARE GETTING CURSED OUT.
HECK, I GET CURSED OUT SOMETIMES WHEN I'M WALKING DOWN THE STREET, UH, AT AN EVENT.
AND WE JUST HAVE TO TELL OUR OFFICERS, HEY, REMAIN PROFESSIONAL, REMAIN CALM, FALL BACK ON YOUR TRAINING.
AND I, I'M HERE TO TELL YOU, AND THERE'S SOME, SOME PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE IT OR HEAR IT.
THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ONE OF THE BEST POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE HAD, UH, SIX SHOOTINGS THIS YEAR, AND ONLY ONE BULLET HAS NOT HIT THE INTENDED TARGET.
THAT'S UNHEARD OF FOR A POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THE TRAINING THAT COMES FROM THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT IS SECOND TO NONE.
AND IF YOU GO AND YOU DO THE RESEARCH ON THIS, I'VE BEEN IN LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR OVER 35 YEARS.
I'VE NEVER SEEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT BEFORE, EVER.
SO WITH, WITH THE TRAINING THAT IS HAPPENING IN DALLAS, IT'S SECOND TO NONE.
AND YOU REALLY HAVE ONE OF THE BEST POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN THE UNITED STATES, AND I'M NOT TAKING CREDIT FOR IT BECAUSE IT WAS HERE WAY BEFORE ME, BUT WHEN I AM GONNA TRY TO DO IS MAKE US EVEN BETTER AND LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW GOOD THIS POLICE DEPARTMENT REALLY IS.
NOT PERFECT, NOT PERFECT AT ALL, BUT REALLY GOOD.
AND I FEEL LIKE THE OFFICERS, FROM THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING AND THAT WE'RE PUSHING DOWN, HEY, YOU HAVE TO REMAIN PROFESSIONAL AT ALL TIMES, NO MATTER WHAT'S BEING SAID AND WHAT'S BEING DONE.
AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROTESTS THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IN DALLAS, IT'S BEEN DEMONSTRATED.
AND AT THIS LAST PROTEST THAT WAS THIS PAST WEEK WITH THE, UM, THE, THE POLITICAL PROTESTS THAT WAS HAPPENING, BOTH SIDES THANKED US FOR KEEPING 'EM SAFE.
AND YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS REALLY GOOD.
CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? DO I STILL HAVE TIME? SO, SO, NO, THAT, THAT'S GREAT.
AND, AND I GUESS THAT THE ADDITIONAL THING I'M CURIOUS ABOUT IS IF THERE IS THIS MISPERCEPTION THAT WHAT'S BEING DONE TO HELP CHANGE THAT PERCEPTION? I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE GOING OUT, BUT YOU CAN'T BE EVERYWHERE, AND YOU'RE NOT THE ONE WHO IS ENCOUNTERING THE OFFICER AT ANY PARTICULAR MOMENT.
AND SO, I'M, I REALLY AM CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT'S BEING DONE, IF ANYTHING, SO THAT PEOPLE FEEL THE WAY YOU ARE SUGGESTING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S
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OPERATING? WELL, WE HAVE, UM, APPROXIMATELY 40 PEOPLE ON OUR COMMAND STAFF.AND OUR NPO OFFICERS ARE GOING OUT AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE PUTTING THE WORD OUT THERE AND THEY'RE TELLING THEM, AND YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND THIS IS HOW WE'RE HANDLING THIS SITUATION.
SO WE'RE GOING TO MANY, MANY EVENTS, UH, BETWEEN THE COMMAND STAFF AND OUR NPO OFFICERS.
WE'RE TOUCHING A LOT OF PEOPLE.
AND, UM, I, I AM TRULY ENGAGED, ESPECIALLY WITH THE LATINO COMMUNITY ON THIS.
SO MANY OF THE LEADERS HAVE MY PHONE NUMBER, AND WE'RE CALLING AND TEXTING ON A REGULAR BASIS, AND I'M GETTING A LOT OF THANK YOUS FROM HOW WE'RE HANDLING IT FROM SO MANY COMMUNITY LEADERS.
WANNA GO BACK TO YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY, ANY COMMENTS, UH, Q AND A WITH THE CHIEF, YOU COMING? YEAH.
AGAIN, CHIEF, I, UH, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING.
UM, I, UM, I'M A STRONG ADVOCATE FOR, UH, COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY POLICING.
UH, HOLDING ON TO THE NPOS WAS A GREAT MOVE.
I WORK WITH OUR NPOS WEEKLY, OUR, OUR, UM, NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, AS THE CHIEF CAN ATTEST, RUN SMOOTHLY EVERY SINGLE YEAR, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT TO BRING DOWN THE TEMPERATURE OF ANY SITUATION, I HAVE TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
AND FOR YOUR POLICE OFFICERS WHO SERVE NORTHWEST IN MY COMMUNITY, IF I'M INTRODUCING THEM TO CERTAIN PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHEN THEY ROLL UP ON 'EM, IF THEY'RE CALLING THEM BY NAME, IT BRINGS DOWN THE TEMPERATURE AS OPPOSED TO, HEY, YOU.
UM, SO LET ME, CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? I'M SORRY, BECAUSE I CAN, CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? 'CAUSE I TOTALLY AGREE 100%.
YOU WANT ME TO SAY IT? YOU WANT ME TO SAY WHICH PART? WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY IT AGAIN.
I'LL JUST SAY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN PUSHING SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, AND THEN WHENEVER I GO TO THESE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, I'M ASKING EVERYONE, GET THREE OFFICERS PHONE NUMBERS, AND OFFICERS, I NEED YOU TO GET THREE NUMBERS.
AND THAT'S ONE WAY WHEN UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETHING DOES GO WRONG OR IT'S NOT WHAT ONE THINKS, OR THEY NEED MORE INFORMATION, THEY CAN PERSONALLY CALL SOMEONE THAT THEY HAVE A NUMBER TO THAT WEARS THIS BADGE AND ASK THAT DIRECT QUESTION, RATHER THAN GOING TO INSTAGRAM OR GOING TO X AND TRYING TO FIND AN ANSWER WHERE IF YOU BUILD THAT RELATIONSHIP LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT IS SO IMPORTANT.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT.
BECAUSE IN, IN MY COMMUNITY, I HAVE THE TELEPHONE NUMBERS OF EVERY NPO THAT HAS SERVED THAT COMMUNITY.
AND I CAN SEND THEM OR REACH OUT TO THEM FOR ANY, ANY INFORMATION I NEED.
AND AS WE LIVE IN THIS WORLD, NOT COMMUNITY, NOT COUNTRY, IN THIS WORLD OF DISINFORMATION, MISINFORMATION AND ALTERNATE FACTS, THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO KNOW ANYTHING IS TO SEE IT FIRSTHAND OR GET IT FROM SOMEONE ELSE.
BECAUSE AS A BUSINESS OWNER AT STATE FAIR, I'D LOOK AT SOCIAL MEDIA EVERY NIGHT AND GO, DAMN, THEY TELLING LIES.
AND I KNOW YOU PROBABLY FEEL THE SAME WAY, BUT I WILL, I WILL, I WILL MOVE ON.
UM, SO YOU, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AS, AS IT RELATES TO WHEN ICE REACHES OUT TO YOU AND THEY, AND THEY SAY, HEY, UM, GO CONTROL THE, THE PERIMETER.
UH, I'M A MARINE AND I UNDERSTAND CONTROLLING THE PERIMETER, BUT WHEN THEY'RE DOING THAT, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER INFORMATION AS TO CONTROL THE PERIMETER WHILE WE DO X.
LIKE ON THIS LAST OPERATION, WE KNEW IT WAS A HUMAN TRAFFICKING PROSTITUTION OPERATION.
AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE DID IS WE HAD A PERIMETER SET UP ON THE OUTSIDE AND MADE SURE NO ONE CAME UP ON THE BACKSIDE WHILE THEY WERE CONDUCTING THE OPERATION.
OKAY, TWO MORE QUICK QUESTIONS.
I GREW UP IN DALLAS, SO I'M A DALLAS SITE FOR SIX DECADES NOW.
I GREW UP IN NORTHWEST, UP AND DOWN HARRY HINES AS A TEENAGER.
SEX TRAFFICKING IS OUT OF CONTROL.
WHATEVER YOU'RE GONNA DO TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE A HANDLE ON THAT, WHEN FIFA COMES, WHATEVER THOSE EXPECTATIONS ARE, THOSE EXTRA THINGS THAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA DO, PLEASE MAKE SURE THEY STAY IN PLACE WHEN FIFA LEAVES, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE EXTRA THINGS THAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN TO JUST MAKE SURE ALL OF OUR VISITORS ARE KEPT SAFE AND HAPPY.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THINGS STAY IN PLACE.
UM, LASTLY, SINCE I JOINED THIS BOARD ALMOST EIGHT YEARS, PLEASE DON'T LET THAT BUZZER GOLF ON ME, MAN.
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AND IT BOGS MY MIND.IT BOTHERS ME TERRIBLY AS TO OVER 75% OF THE ARRESTS MADE MONTHLY IN DALLAS ARE PEOPLE OF BLACK AND BROWN DESCENT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FROM OVER-POLICING OR WE'RE BEING POLICED DIFFERENTLY.
WE EVEN BOUGHT IN SOMEONE FROM AN OUTSIDE SERVICE TO CONSULT, BUT THE NUMBERS JUST DON'T LOOK RIGHT AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE WHY.
SO WE GET THE SAME NUMBERS THEY DO, RIGHT? THEY'RE BOTH, THEY'RE THE SAME NUMBERS, RIGHT? DIRECTOR, THE NUMBERS, THE ARREST RECORD NUMBERS, THEY'RE WE FROM WHO? FROM DPD.
THEY'RE FROM, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE, YOU GUYS SEE THE SAME NUMBERS THAT WE SEE, BUT MAN, THEY'RE DISPROPORTIONATELY OUTTA CONTROL AS IT RELATES TO ARRESTING BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE.
I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING OVER 70% AND I TRUST THAT YOU WILL GET, UM, DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS BECAUSE IT, SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE.
I MEAN, I MEAN, IF, IF PEOPLE ARE COMMITTING THESE CRIMES, THAT'S FINE.
AND I LOOK AT MY DISTRICT, WHICH IS DISTRICT TWO, WHICH ENCOMPASSES DEEP EL SO I KNOW, YOU KNOW, MY NUMBERS ARE GONNA BE A BIT HIGHER.
AND THEN I'M ALSO PART OF D SIX, WHICH ENCOMPASSES HARRY HINES.
BUT MAN, I, I JUST NEED TO KNOW IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHY THOSE ARREST RECORDS LOOK LIKE THAT.
AND AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF MY BOARD, UM, MY BOARD MEMBERS AS WELL.
IT'S NOT LOST ON US, UH, THAT YOU'RE HERE.
AND WE HOPE THIS CAN BE CONTINUED DIALOGUE.
UH, WE HOPE THAT, UH, UM, THAT YOU CAN COME BACK, UM, AGAIN, SOME TIME BECAUSE, UH, THESE, THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE HEALTHY.
I THINK THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO HEAR IT.
WE REPRESENT THE PEOPLE AND, UM, THE PEOPLE IN OUR DISTRICTS, THE CITIES, CITIZENS OF DALLAS, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY COME TO US WITH, WITH QUESTIONS, CONCERNS.
AND, UH, FOR US TO HAVE A CHANCE TO, TO TALK TO YOU DIRECTLY ON BEHALF OF THEM, MEAN MEANS THE WORLD.
SO THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD.
UH, I DO WANNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE TIME.
I KNOW YOU'VE MENTIONED SOME MISCONCEPTIONS OR, OR FALSE INFORMATION.
UH, SOME THINGS OUT THERE, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN SAID ARE NOT TRUE.
AND WE'RE ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, WE'RE ABOUT TRUST.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT WHAT'S GOING DOWN HERE IN DALLAS, DPD, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UH, SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT? UH, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ.
UH, BUT THERE ARE THE DECISION MAKERS THAT ARE HERE.
ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADDRESS AT THIS TIME THAT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED? YEAH, I, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE'RE KEEPING A CRIME PLAN IN PLACE.
THAT'S A REALLY POPULAR QUESTION.
WHENEVER I'M OUT AND ABOUT THE CRIME PLAN, IT'S WORKING.
THE ONLY, UH, THING WE'VE ADDED, WE'VE MADE A, AN ADDITIONAL EFFORT TO MAKE SURE WE GO AFTER THOSE THAT HAVE FELONY WARRANTS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE THAT HAVE FELONY WARRANTS AND WE'RE BUMPING UP THE ONES THAT HAVE AGGRAVATED FELONY WARRANTS AND WE'RE AGGRESSIVELY GOING AFTER TO ARREST THOSE THAT HAVE FELONY WARRANTS.
I BELIEVE THAT'S ANOTHER WAY THAT WE CAN KEEP EVERYONE SAFE IN DALLAS.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DOING.
AND, UH, PEOPLE SAY, WELL, WHY ARE YOU DOING THAT? BECAUSE THEY HAVE A FELONY WARRANT AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET 'EM OFF THE STREET.
AND WE BELIEVE THAT IS PART OF THE REASON WHY THE VIOLENT CRIME IS GOING DOWN, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN VERY AGGRESSIVE IN ARRESTING THOSE WITH FELONY WARRANTS.
UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
UH, WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING, UH, THIS MONTH IS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE MONTH.
AND IN THE FIRST EIGHT DAYS, WE MADE OVER A HUNDRED ARRESTS FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.
AND I THINK WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN IS WE HAVE TO GO WITH EDUCATION AND AWARENESS.
AND WE REALLY HAVE TO, AS A COMMUNITY, TALK TO EVERYONE THAT WE CAN TALK TO.
BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ARRESTS, TO YOUR POINT, CAME FROM BROWN AREAS.
AND IT WAS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ARRESTS.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
UM, AND I, I THINK WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE EDUCATION AND AWARENESS PIECE OF THIS.
WE HAVE TO GET OUT THERE AND STOP SOME OF THESE CRIMES FROM HAPPENING.
AND I THINK IT'S NOT JUST FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT, IT'S FROM EVERYONE.
IT JUST CAN'T BE CONVERSATION.
IT JUST CAN'T BE US THINKING ABOUT IT.
WE HAVE TO HAVE REAL CONVERSATION AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
UM, WE HAVE TO GIVE THE YOUNG SOMETHING TO DO OTHER THAN HANG OUT ON THE STREET.
'CAUSE WHEN THEY HANG OUT ON THE STREET, THEY GONNA GET IN TROUBLE.
SO, UM, I KNOW I WANNA BE A PART OF THAT.
AND I KNOW THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT WANTS TO BE A PART OF THAT.
AND THAT'S WHY WE WILL NEVER REMOVE OUR NPO OFFICERS.
AND WE WANT THAT TO BE A PART.
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TO THE, THE, AND THEN ALSO, UM, WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE, I WAS ASKED TO PLEASE START ENFORCING TRAFFIC MORE BECAUSE THERE WAS, UH, NOT ENOUGH TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT GOING ON.SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE GONE TO EACH COUNCIL MEMBER AND THEY'VE GIVEN US THEIR TOP THREE TRAFFIC LOCATIONS WHERE TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS ARE BEING COMMITTED.
SO WE'VE BEEN AGGRESSIVELY ATTACKING THOSE AREAS.
AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE IN THE THIRTIES, I THINK 32 LESS DEATHS BY VEHICLES THIS YEAR THAN WE HAD LAST YEAR.
SO YOU COMBINE THAT WITH 40 LESS MURDERS AND 30 LESS DEATHS ON A VEHICLE THAT'S 70 LESS FAMILIES THAT ARE GRIEVING RIGHT NOW, THIS YEAR AT THIS TIME THAN LAST YEAR.
AND I THINK THAT'S FROM SOME OF THE GREAT WORK THAT THESE OFFICERS ARE DOING OUT THERE IN THE STREETS OF DALLAS.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING THAT ARE NOT TALKED ABOUT.
AND UM, AGAIN, DALLAS IS REALLY HAS A GOOD POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND LOOK, I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE FIVE MONTHS.
IT WAS A GOOD POLICE DEPARTMENT BEFORE I GOT HERE.
UM, I DO HOPE TO ADD SOME VALUE AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING THAT.
BUT YOU HAVE A DEPARTMENT THAT'S HERE TO PROTECT AND SERVE.
UM, I THINK I'VE FIRED 13 TO 15 PEOPLE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
13 TO 15 WAS FIRED IN THE FIRST FEW MONTHS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T DOING RIGHT THINGS.
UH, WE'RE GONNA DO IT WITH TRANSPARENCY.
IF SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING WRONG, WE'LL LET 'EM GO.
UM, ANOTHER THING THAT IS COMING, UM, HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS, WE'RE GONNA BE HIRING, UM, SOME NON DPD OFFICERS THAT'S GONNA BE ASSIGNED TO THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION, SO THEY WON'T BE GUN TOTAL US AND THEY'RE GONNA BE WORKING IN THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION.
SO THAT, THAT'S PRETTY EXCITING, UM, TO ADD THAT CIVILIAN PIECE TO IT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
JUST TO CONTINUE WITH, UH, FULL TRANSPARENCY.
NOW THERE MIGHT BE PRIOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT THEY WON'T BE DPD 'CAUSE WE NEED A SPECIAL SKILLSET SET THAT CAN DO INVESTIGATIONS ON OFFICERS.
SO IT WON'T BE, UM, NO DISRESPECT TO MY EXECUTIVE CHIEF BECAUSE I THINK SHE IS AMAZING, BUT SHE STILL KNOWS PEOPLE AND YOU HAVE BIASES.
SHE KNOWS PEOPLE FROM THE DEPARTMENT.
SO WHEN WE BRING IN PEOPLE FROM THE OUTSIDE, THEY WON'T HAVE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS.
ALL THEY GONNA KNOW IS THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.
SO THAT'S IMPORTANT AND WE HAVE THAT COMING.
IT'S, IT'S IN THE BUDGET AND IT SHOULD BE HERE WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS THAT WE SHOULD MAKE THOSE HIRES.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE ON, ON THE BOOKS TO HIRE THREE, AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO BILL ON THAT.
IT'S GONNA BE A PILOT PROGRAM.
IF IT WORKS, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO BILL ON THAT, CONTINUE TO BILL ON THAT UNTIL I CAN GET THAT DIVISION WHERE IT'S ALMOST EQUAL.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
AND I WON'T BE AFRAID TO COME BACK.
I, I, YEAH, I'M NOT AFRAID TO ANSWER QUESTIONS BECAUSE ONE THING THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE FROM THIS POLICE CHIEF, WHEN WE DO BAD, I'M GONNA STAND UP AND SAY, WE DID BAD.
AND WHEN WE DO GOOD, I WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S DOING.
BUT WHEN WE DO BAD, I'LL SAY WE DID BAD, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF HUMANS THAT WORK FOR THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND WE'RE NOT PERFECT.
AND IT GOES TO US FOR, FOR ME, AND I'LL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY OF FIRING APPROXIMATELY 15 OF THEM.
AND I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING TODAY, AND I WANT, I WANT YOU NOT TO BE SCARED TO COME BACK.
UH, 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU GOT THINGS TO DO, BUT, UH, I DO APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENCE HERE, AND I DO, I'M GRATEFUL TO HEAR THAT, UH, YOU'RE WILLING TO COME BACK AND CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION.
AND, UH, WE WILL, UH, CONTINUE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS AND, UH, BUILDING THAT TRANSPARENCY.
UM, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, APPRECIATE YOUR, APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENCE AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UH, YOUR HARD WORK FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
I'M, GO GET ME A TURKEY LAKE FROM THE FAIR
NOW, UH, MO YOU CAN'T LEAVE YET 'CAUSE UH, YOU'RE NEXT ON THE AGENDA.
SO I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE, UH, WE WERE LOOKING THROUGH THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING AND, UH, BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS MR. THREE ASKED A GREAT QUESTION, UH,
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THAT WE WANTED TO ADDRESS, UH, TODAY.AND, UH, BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS ASKED IF THE BOARD COULD RECEIVE A SUMMARY OUTLINING WHAT TYPES OF MISCONDUCT WOULD OR WOULD NOT DISQUALIFY AN APPLICANT FROM BEING CONSIDERED FOR EMPLOYMENT WITH DPD.
UH, SO THEY COMMITTED TO, UH, COMING BACK, UH, WITH AN ANSWER TO THAT.
AND CHAGA, IF YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP, WE CAN WE'LL GIVE YOU THE MIC TO DO THAT.
BUT, UH, DEPUTY, SO SPECIFICALLY I THINK, UH, MR. HIGGINS ASKED THOSE WITH PRIOR POLICE EXPERIENCE.
WAS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE THAT'S, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I DID.
OKAY, SO THESE NUMBERS THAT I'M GOING TO BRIEF OUT ARE FROM 20 20 24 UP UNTIL, UH, 9, 20, 25 THIS YEAR.
AND, SORRY, I GOTTA PUT MY CHEATERS ON.
SO WE HAD 30 APPLICANTS APPLY, SEVEN PASSED, 17 FAILED, TWO WITHDREW IN THE PROCESS, AND 14 ARE CURRENTLY IN BACKGROUND.
SO CURRENTLY WHAT OUR, UM, DISQUALIFIER, DISQUALIFIER INDICATES IS THAT AN APPLICANT MAY NOT BE, OR MAY NOT, MUST NOT HAVE BEEN REJECTED OR TERMINATED FROM A PREVIOUS LAW ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE OF CONDUCT THAT VIOLATES THE RULES OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UH, THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS THEY, THEY CAN'T EVEN ADMIT TO ANY CONDUCT THAT WOULD, UH, BE CONSIDERED A VIOLATION OF THE RULES OF DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IF THE CONDUCT CONS CONSTITUTES A VIOLATION OF THE RULES OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, IT, THEY'LL, THEY'LL ACTUALLY FAIL OUT IN BACKGROUND.
SO, UH, SPECIFICALLY, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE NUMBERS THAT HAVE THAT WE FAILED, WE FAILED SOME ON USE OF FORCE, UH, SEXUAL CONDUCT, UM, INTOXICATION, SEXUAL HARASSMENT, LYING TO A SUPERVISOR, DWIS, UM, AND OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE VIOLATIONS SPECIFICALLY, MORE THAN ONE TYPICALLY WOULDN'T, UH, RESULT IN TERMINATION.
BUT THE CONDUCT WAS THE SAME AT THE PREVIOUS, UH, THE PREVIOUS, UM, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.
THOSE THAT PASSED, WE DID HIRE SOME, SOME, UH, FEW, EXCUSE ME, LOOKS LIKE THREE, UM, WITHDREW FROM THE PROCESS.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE ACTUAL BACKGROUND FROM OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, AS I INDICATED LAST MONTH, IF THEY, IF THEY WERE TO PASS THE, UH, FIRST STEP OF OUR HIRING PROCESS DURING THE BACKGROUND PHASE, WE WILL ACTUALLY SEND A BACKGROUND INVESTIGATOR TO THAT, UH, APPLICANT'S PREVIOUS AGENCY TO REVIEW THEIR PERSONNEL FILE.
IF THERE'S SOME DISCIPLINE IN THE PERSONNEL FILE, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, IF IT'S SOME, IF IT'S A CONDUCT, IF IT'S A VIOLATION OF OUR DPD POLICIES THAT WOULD RESULT IN TERMINATION, WE WOULD NOT HIRE THAT INDIVIDUAL.
SO, UH, OF, OF THE, OF THE 37 PASSED, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY PASSED.
UM, IT MEANS THEY PASSED THEIR BACKGROUND, BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PSYCHOLOGICAL AND THE MEDICAL EXAM.
AND OFTENTIMES YOU'LL FIND SOMETIMES IT'S, IF YOU HAVE PREVIOUS LAW ENFORCEMENT EXPERIENCE, SOMETIMES IT'S DIFFICULT TO PASS A PSYCHOLOGICAL, UH, OR NOT PSYCHOLOGICAL, JUST GIMME A POLYGRAPH GIVEN PREVIOUS CONDUCT.
SO, UM, WITH THAT SAID, I CAN, UH, OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS SPECIFIC DIS QUALIFIER REGARDING THOSE, UM, APPLICANTS WITH PREVIOUS LAW ENFORCEMENT EXPERIENCE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MAYOR HIGGINS? WELL, THE ONLY THING THAT COMES TO MIND IS, UM, SO I DON'T KNOW THE ACTUAL FORMAL LEGAL TERM FOR THE LIST, BUT WE CALL IT THE BRADY LIST.
UM, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BRADY LIST.
SO, SO JUST TO GET INTO THE BRADY LIST, AND I ONLY KNOW THE, ABOUT THE BRADY LIST FROM MY PREVIOUS LAW ENFORCEMENT EX, OR REAL QUICK, WHAT'S THE BRADY PREVIOUS? WHAT'S THE, YOU GONNA TALK WHAT THE BRADY LIST IS? SO THE BRADY LIST IS BASICALLY A LIST OF OFFICERS THAT HAVE HAD SOME TYPE OF QUESTION OF CONDUCT, BUT THAT'S NOT, DPD IS NOT A KEEPER OF THE BRADY LIST, AND THAT'S A MISCONCEPTION.
THAT IS THE COUNTY THAT PUTS YOU ON THE BRADY LIST AND SAYS, UH, MO HAD SOME QUESTIONABLE MISCONDUCT, AND THERE'S A THRESHOLD ON THE BRADY LIST, AND YOU HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN THRESHOLDS TO EVEN GET ON THE BRADY LIST.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WERE, IF YOU WERE LYING TO A SUPERVISOR OR YOU, UH, LIED ON A, UM, POLICE REPORT.
SO THAT WOULD GET YOU ON THE BRADY LIST.
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AND THERE'S SEVERAL TIERS TO THE BRADY LIST THAT, UM, WILL BE, SOME OF IT IS JUST FOR DISCOVERY, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE OFFICERS ON THE BRADY LIST.WE DO HAVE OFFICERS THAT CANNOT TESTIFY ON BEHALF OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, I THINK SOMEONE MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HIRE FROM THE HUMAN RACE.
SO WE DO HAVE SOME THAT ARE ON THIS BRADY LIST.
SO THIS BRADY LIST IS, LIKE I STATED, IS KEPT BY THE COUNTY, AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A LIST.
AND IT'S AN, IT'S A, A FLOWING LIST.
SO IF MY ALLEGATION IS FOR UNTRUTHFULNESS, I'LL, I'LL BE ON THE BRADY LIST FOR DISCLOSURE.
IF I'M SUSTAINED, I'LL REMAIN ON THE BRADY LIST.
IF I'M, UH, NOT SUSTAINED OR UNFOUNDED, GENERALLY YOU, YOU REMOVE OFF THE, YOU'RE REMOVED FROM THE BRADY LIST.
SO I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU, YOU WERE REFERENCING.
I I WAS JUST, UH, WONDERING DOES IT, UH, COME INTO PLAY WHEN IN EMPLOYMENT? LIKE, CAN YOU BE ON THE BRADY LIST AND BE HIRED BY DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, A BRADY LIST, LIKE NECESSARILY, I KNOW OTHER COUNTIES HAVE THEM.
SO IF, SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, AND I, AND I'LL USE DALLAS, THE CITY OF DALLAS, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAVE AN OFFICER THAT IS NO LONGER SPONSORED BY THE COUNTY, DALLAS COUNTY, UM, DISTRICT ATTORNEY WILL SEND THE CHIEF A LETTER THROUGH, UH, THROUGH I-E-D-I-I-E-D, REMAIN RULE REMAIN, WILL, UH, UH, MAINTAIN THE LIST OF OFFICERS THAT ARE UNSPONSORED.
I CAN, I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR DALLAS.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANY OTHER OR COUNTY, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE MAINTAIN THAT LIST.
SO AS IF WE DO HAVE OFF, AND WE HAVE OFFICERS ON THAT LIST, BUT THEY ARE IN NO SHAPE OR FORM MAKE CONTACT WITH, WITH, UM, WITH THE PUBLIC, NOR ARE THEY IN AN INVESTIGATOR CAPACITY.
BUT I, I, I KNOW THERE'S SOME T COLE RULES REGARDING, UM, NOW AS OF I THINK SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR, THAT YOU CANNOT HAVE A OFFICER WHO VIOLATES IN DALLAS AND THEN GOES TO FRISCO OR GOES TO DESOTO.
LET'S OPEN UP TO THE BOARD FOR QUESTIONS.
I SEE BOARD MEMBER MAPLES, UH, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES, I, I, I ACTUALLY DO.
SO THAT BRADY LIST, IT SEEMS LIKE TO BE PLACED ON THAT BRADY LIST, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN INTEGRITY ISSUE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY INTEGRITY.
AND FORGIVE ME, I I WOULD'VE BROUGHT THAT IT LIST, UM, THE THRESHOLD.
SO, SO THE, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THEN, SO YOU SAID LYING, LYING, I WOULD CALL THAT AN INTEGRITY ISSUE BECAUSE IF, IF, IF, IF YOU'RE ON A LIST FOR LYING, WHY WOULD YOU EVEN BE ON THE FORCE? AND IF THEY ARE ON THE FORCE, ARE THEY FRONT FACING THE PUBLIC OR ARE THEY ON DESK DUTY? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO YOU MAY REMAIN ON THE FORCE? SO IT, IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON THE, UH, THE ALLEGATIONS.
SO THERE'S CERTAIN ALLEGATIONS THAT WILL GET YOU ON THE BRADY, BRADY LIST AND UNTRUTHFULNESS IS, IS ONE OF THEM.
THAT'S JUST ONE OF, OF, OF SEVERAL.
SO YOU'LL REMAIN ON THAT BRADY LIST.
AND FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE SUSTAINED, YOU JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE ON, YOU HAVE A ALLEGATION FOR UNTRUTHFULNESS, DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU GET YOUR SLAP ON THE WRIST AND YOU GO, NO.
SO IF, IF, AND I'LL USE MYSELF AGAIN, FOR EXAMPLE, IF, IF I HAD AN ALLEGATION FOR UNTRUTHFULNESS THAT WAS SUSTAINED IN DISCOVERY ON A CASE, YOU HAVE TO TELL THE DEFENSE, HEY, THIS YOUNG LADY, UH, UM, HAD A ALLEGATION SHE WAS STAYING FOR UNTRUTHFUL UNTRUTHFULNESS DISCOVERY.
IT'S, IT'S, I MEAN, I THINK JUDGE AND THE ATTORNEYS ON THE, ON THE, UM, BOARD CAN ATTEST TO THAT, BUT THOSE OFFICERS ARE NOT NECESSARILY TERMINATED FROM THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
HOW LONG IS THAT FILED? THAT WILL REMAIN ON THEIR RECORD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD REGARDING THIS AGENDA ITEM AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU, DEPUTY CHIEF, WE APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENCE HERE.
IT APPEARS THAT THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS FROM THIS BOARD.
AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENCE FOR, UH, ANSWERING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS DURING OUR Q AND A WITH THE CHIEF AND NO PROBLEM.
I GOT A COUPLE THINGS THAT I THINK I GOTTA FOLLOW UP ON NEXT MONTH.
SO I'M GOING TO, I'M JUST GONNA, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WANNA JUST MAKE SURE I HAVE THAT INFORMATION CORRECT, AND I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU GUYS NEXT MONTH.
SO THERE, THERE WAS A QUESTION REGARDING THE, UM,
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THE DRONES AND THE POLICY MM-HMMAND I'LL GET WITH, UH, MS. ANDRE ON THAT.
AND THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE STARRED.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT I'M MISSING THAT I GOT YOU.
YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS? CAN YOU, UH, REGURGITATE WHAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING APPOINTED PROTECTION, I GOT YOU RIGHT NOW.
SPECIFICALLY FOR APPOINTED OFFICIALS AND THE POLICY AS IT RELATES TO DPD, UM, CHARGING PEOPLE WITH THE, THE HARSHER CRIME, SPECIFICALLY AT A CLASS A OR ABOVE, WHEN THERE IS, UH, ANY VIOLENCE THAT'S DIRECTED TOWARDS PEOPLE WHO ARE SERVING OUR, OUR CITY VOLUNTARILY, BECAUSE THAT SHOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, A PERSON WHO SITS ON THESE BOARDS SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THOSE.
SO, ARE, ARE YOU, SAY AGAIN, JUST, JUST SO I'M TRY, I'M JUST SO I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU'RE SO, GIVEN MY EX MY PERSONAL EXAMPLE, AN INDIVIDUAL SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH A CLASS A, BUT THEY WERE ONLY CHARGED WITH A CLASS C.
THE COUNTY'S REFUSING TO PICK IT UP BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN AND, AND CHARGED INITIALLY.
HAD IT BEEN CHARGED PROPERLY, NOT PROPERLY, WELL, IN MY OPINION, PROPERLY, HAD IT BEEN CHARGED AS A CLASS A IN THE BEGINNING, THEN THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY TOOK IT OVER.
BUT MY THING IS, IF SOMEONE IS FOLLOWING ANY BOARD MEMBERS TO THEIR PERSONAL DWELLINGS AND THEN ATTEMPTING TO ASSAULT THEM, THAT THAT SEEMS A LITTLE SEVERE.
AND IT IS, YOU KNOW, SO HOW, AND IF, IF A PERSON SAYS THEY EXPERIENCE PAIN, IF YOU WILL, BASED ON WHAT THE CODE ALLOWS, THEN THAT SHOULD BE WRITTEN UP AS SUCH.
ANY OTHER ITEMS, UH, THAT WE WANT FOLLOW UP ON FROM THE BOARD FROM THAT DISCUSSION? I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE.
WELL, THANK YOU, UH, DEPUTY CHIEF, I, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, OUR NEXT MEETING'S NOVEMBER 10TH, SO, UH, MAYBE WE'LL SEE YOU BEFORE THEN, BUT FOR SURE, NOVEMBER 10TH.
LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU.
UH, YOU GUYS WILL SEE ME, IAD REPORTS TO ME NOW, SO, UH, I WILL BE AT EVERY, UH, MEETING.
UH, WE, WE CAN NOW MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS AGENDA ITEM EIGHT.
AND SPEAKING OF IAD, UH, WE HAVE AMONG US THE DIRECTOR OF IAD, MAJOR GONZALEZ.
AND I WANT TO THANK YOU ALSO FOR YOUR PRESENCE HERE, FOR YOUR TEAM.
UH, IT MEANS A LOT THAT YOU'RE HERE.
I WANNA GIVE YOU THE FLOOR TO ADDRESS ANYTHING ON YOUR LIST, UH, THAT PERTAINS TO THE BOARD, AND THERE'LL BE SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BOARD TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS AFTER, UH, MAJOR SAL'S REPORT.
AND THIS IS MY SECOND TIME BEING HERE, SO I'M EXCITED.
THE CHIEF KIND OF TOOK THE THUNDER THAT I HAD FOR YOU GUYS TO REPORT OUT.
UH, I WAS LIKE, CHIEF, I, I'M SUPPOSED TO SAY THIS, UH, BUT I DO WANNA REPORT TO THE ABOARD THAT, UH, AS OF AUGUST THE THIRD, I SUBMITTED THE PAPERWORK FOR THAT THREE SENIOR INVESTIGATIVE POSITIONS THAT ARE GONNA BE CIVILIAN.
THEY'RE GONNA BE ADDED TO OUR INVESTIGATORS.
UH, LIKE THE CHIEF SAID, THESE ARE NOT GONNA BE, UH, YOU KNOW, POLICE OFFICERS FROM WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, BUT SOMEBODY ELSE COMING FROM OUTSIDE OF THE AGENCY.
AND SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS ARE VERY STRINGENT.
UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS OF INVESTIGATION.
SO WE WANT SOMEBODY THAT COMES INTO THE, UH, UNIT KNOWING HOW TO PROPERLY INVESTIGATE INVESTIGATIONS.
AND, UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS FOR THE MONTH.
UH, WE'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FILL THE, THAT BAKING SPOT THAT WE HAD, AND ALL THE PAPER HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.
SO, OTHER THAN THAT, IF YOU GUYS, GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? YES, SIR.
UM, MY QUESTION ABOUT THOSE HIRES, IT'S REALLY GOOD THAT THERE'S GONNA BE OUTSIDE FORCES.
I GUESS I ALREADY KNOW THE QUESTIONS THAT I'M GONNA GET.
ARE THOSE PEOPLE COMING IN FROM THE OUTSIDE, JUST REGULAR POLICE OFFICERS WHO'RE GONNA DEFEND THEIR POLICE FRIENDS? OR ARE THESE PEOPLE WITH IA SPECIFIC TRAINING? BECAUSE I KNOW WITHIN THE POLICE CULTURE, THERE'S A DIFFERENT WAY AMONGST POLICE HOW THEY VIEW IA.
UM, AND, AND IF IT'S SOMEONE WHO HAS THAT HISTORY OF BEING IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS, THAT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT MORE CREDIBLE THAN JUST SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.
UH, I THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
YES, THERE'S GONNA BE, UH, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, BUT I REMEMBER READING SOME OF THAT.
UH, SOME OF THEY GONNA NEED A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY ASK THAT FROM A POLICE OFFICER RIGHT NOW.
UH, AND AT LEAST HALF 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THREE YEARS OF LEAD LEVEL EXPERIENCE WITHIN A LARGE PUBLIC SECTOR ORGANIZATION.
SO, IF I ANSWER THAT QUESTION, KIND OF, SORT OF, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S AN AMBIGUOUS QUESTION.
I JUST KNOW THAT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I'LL GET COMING OUTTA MY DISTRICT YES.
ARE THEY JUST HIRING MORE COPS TO LOOK OUT? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT THAT'S GONNA BE A PERCEPTION THAT NO ONE CAN CONTROL.
BUT I JUST WANT TO KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHERE THESE GONNA BE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAD HISTORY IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEIR PHILOSOPHY MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFERENT THAN SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T WELL, IT'S GONNA BE UP TO THE, TO THE PUBLIC,
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YOU KNOW, WHOEVER APPLIES.HE HAS TO GO THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT, BUT YES.
I HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MAJOR, UH, JUDGE LANDER? YES, SIR.
DISTRICT DATE, UM, THE NEW HIRES, I, I'M GONNA FOLLOW UP ON BROTHER JACKSON'S QUESTION.
UM, I DID NOT HEAR YOU SAY IN THEIR REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAVE INTERNAL AFFAIRS, UH, EXPERIENCE.
ARE THEY, SINCE YOU'RE WRITING THE DETERMINATION AS TO WHAT THIS POSITION'S GOING TO BE, ARE YOU GOING TO REQUIRE THAT THEY HAVE PREVIOUS INTERNAL AFFAIRS EXPERIENCE? I WOULD NOT MIND HAVING SOMEBODY THAT KNOWS THE PROCESS, BUT OBVIOUSLY EACH DEPARTMENT HAS THEIR OWN PHILOSOPHY AND ALSO THEIR OWN SOP.
SO, WELL, AREN'T YOU JUST, AREN'T YOU, UM, WRITING UP WHAT THE, UH, CONDITIONS ARE FOR THESE HIRES? UH, YES.
SO AS I, AS I THINK ABOUT THE JOB DESCRIPTION, AND, AND WHEN DID YOU SAY THE, UH, THIS RIFF IS GOING? WHEN IS, WHEN WILL IT BE READY? WE HAVE SUBMITTED THE PAPERWORK EARLY, THIS, THIS MONTH.
I SUBMITTED THE PAPERWORK ON, ON OCTOBER THE THIRD.
AND THE JOB DESCRIPTION IS, CAN YOU, AND IT HAS TO BE POSTED IN NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
AND 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THREE YEARS OF LEAD LEVEL EXPERIENCE WITHIN THE LARGE PUBLIC SECTOR.
AND THE CHIEF SAID THAT THE BEST CANDIDATES WOULD NOT KNOW DPD OFFICERS.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE IDEAL CANDIDATE.
SO ANYBODY WITH 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, MAYBE EVEN OUTSIDE OF THE STATE.
BUT AT 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, POLICE OFFICER TO POLICE OFFICER, IT, IT DON'T MATTER.
SO I COULD SEE WHAT I COULD SEE AN ANGLE FROM, FROM BOTH OF THESE GENTLEMEN.
WE'RE ALL GONNA, WE'RE ALL GONNA GET THE SAME QUESTIONS FROM OUR COMMUNITIES BECAUSE MAN, 20 YEARS OF P IT, IT DON'T MATTER.
IT, IT IS JUST LIKE BEING TRADED TO A NEW FOOTBALL TEAM AFTER YOU PLAYED 20 YEARS.
IT'S STILL THE SAME GAME, BUT OKAY.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA DO, UM, DEPEND ON YOU GUYS TO GET IT RIGHT, AND WE WILL SUPPORT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MAJOR SALAS? IT APPEARS THERE'S A NO MORE QUESTIONS.
AND, UH, YEAH, I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING YOU BACK ALSO AN UPDATE ON THAT, THAT JOB, UH, SEARCH AND THE DESCRIPTIONS AND, AND A THANK YOU.
WE'LL NOW MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, WHICH IS, UH, THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT STAFF REPORT.
THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE AN ENTRANCE, UH, THE DIRECTOR OF THE OCPO, UM, MICHELLE ANDRE.
SO, UM, I MENTIONED TO THE CHAIR EARLIER THAT, UM, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA GIVE MY STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY TO REPORT OUT, UM, AS I PROVIDED A MEMO OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND GOALS.
UM, AND I ALSO PROVIDED AN UPDATE HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING THAT WE HAVE DONE THIS YEAR SO FAR.
UM, AND I'VE RECENTLY SHARED A STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE THAT, UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON.
UM, IT'S ONE OF THE FIRST FOR THE OFFICE, WANTED TO GET THE BOARD'S FEEDBACK, UM, BEFORE FINALIZING IT.
AND IT HAS BEEN SHARED WITH THE, YOU KNOW, RECEIVED SOME FEEDBACK FROM HR.
BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE, BEFORE FINALIZING THAT DOCUMENT, I RECEIVED SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD.
BUT I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTION.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MEMO, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
TODAY'S A SPECIAL MEETING, TOO, 'CAUSE THAT ENDS, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE CALENDAR AT CITY HALL IS DIFFERENT THAN THE NORMAL CALENDAR.
YOU KNOW, NORMALLY WE START JANUARY, GO DECEMBER.
THEIR FISCAL YEAR STARTS IN OCTOBER.
SO WE JUST ENDED, THIS IS OUR, THE FIRST MONTH OF THE NEW YEAR.
SO, UH, A LOT OF THE REPORTS THAT WE'LL RECEIVE FROM THE STAFF WILL BE A, A YEAR AT A GLANCE, FINAL REPORT A YEAR LOOKING AT THE YEAR.
SO I THINK, UH, THERE'LL BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO LEARN THE GOOD THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED THROUGHOUT THIS FISCAL YEAR.
AND SO, UH, UM, THAT'S WHAT THE DIRECTOR'S ALLUDING TO, UH, LATER ON IN THIS MEETING.
BUT ANY QUESTIONS TO THE DIRECTOR OF OCPO AT THIS TIME FROM THE BOARD? THANK YOU.
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YEAH.QUESTION OR COMMENT? YEAH, I'M, I'M LOOKING OVER THE ACCOMPLISHMENT AND, UH, I WANNA SAY, UH, WELL DONE, DIRECTOR, WELL DONE TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF.
UM, THIS BOARD HAS COME A COME A LONG WAY, AND, UH, I WANNA GIVE YOU YOUR FLOWERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? JUDGE LANDY HERE.
I WILL SAY THAT I TOOK AN INITIAL VIEW OF THE, UM, POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT THE DIRECTOR HAS CREATED, AND WHAT I SAW WAS EXCELLENT.
UM, I HAVE NOT PICKED IT APART YET,
AND IT'S AMAZING TO ME THAT THE OFFICE NEVER HAD THAT BEFORE.
WHAT, HOW HAVE Y'ALL OPERATED WITHOUT ANY POLICIES AND PROCEDURES? I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I'M VERY GLAD TO SEE THAT.
SO THANK YOU TO YOU, NOT JUST TO YOU, BUT YOUR STAFF.
IT APPEARS THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD, SO THANK YOU, DIRECTOR, APPRECIATE YOUR REPORT.
AND I'D LIKE TO MOVE NOW TO ITEM B UNDER AGENDA ITEM NINE.
THAT IS A SPECIAL INVESTIGATIVE REPORT.
AND WE HAVE, UH, THE OCPO INVESTIGATOR, UH, GREG HUFF HERE.
UH, THERE'LL BE, UH, BRIEFINGS ON, UH, THE FISCAL YEAR COMPLAINT INVESTIGATION, CRITICAL INCIDENT ACTIVITIES, AND THEN THERE'LL BE A CRITICAL INCIDENT BRIEFING.
AND THEN, UH, LATER ON WE'LL TALK ABOUT, UM, CONSIDERATIONS FOR INDEPENDENT, UH, REVIEW, INCIDENT REVIEW.
AND, UH, WE'LL GO ONE BY ONE, BUT I WANNA GIVE YOU THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW TO GIVE YOU A, UH, GIVE YOU A CHANCE FOR THE BRIEFING.
THE FISCAL YEAR 20 24, 20 25, COMPLAINT, INVESTIGATION, AND CRITICAL INCIDENT ACTIVITIES.
I'M THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR FOR THE OFFICE.
UH, SO THE BRIEFING FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024 TO 2025.
UH, WE'LL START WITH INVESTIGATIONS.
UH, WE CONDUCTED SIX INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
WE CONDUCTED 19 INVESTIGATION REQUESTS, AND THOSE WERE REVIEWED AND FINALIZED BY THE BOARD FOR A CONSIDERATION FOR INVESTIGATION.
UM, EACH OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS WAS CONDUCTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DALLAS CITY CODE AND DBD GENERAL ORDERS, ENSURING OBJECTIVITY, IMPARTIALITY, AND ADHERENCE TO PROPER INVESTIGATION PROTOCOLS.
AND RECENTLY WE EVEN HAD AN OFFICER WHO VOLUNTARILY INTERVIEWED WITH US.
UM, AND I HOPE THAT IS SHOWING THE GROWING TRUST BETWEEN, UM, OR WITH OCPO AND THE INVESTIGATIVE PROCESS.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO CRITICAL INCIDENTS.
UH, WE HAD NINE CRITICAL INCIDENTS, UM, IN THE FISCAL YEAR, UH, AND THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
AND WE CONDUCTED ONE CRITICAL INCIDENT REVIEW, AND THE FINDINGS OF THAT CRITICAL INCIDENT REVIEW WILL BE, UH, SHARED WITH YOU TONIGHT ON COMPLAINTS.
WE REVIEWED 1,317 COMPLAINTS, WHICH WE REVIEWED AND ASSESSED TO DETERMINE APPROPRIATE HANDLING.
AND MANY OF THOSE COMPLAINTS INVOLVED, REVIEW OF BODY-WORN CAMERA, UH, POLICE REPORTS, AND OTHER DOCUMENTS, UH, TO MAKE THOSE DETERMINATIONS.
AND THEN ON COMPLETED INVESTIGATIONS REVIEWED, I REVIEWED APPROXIMATELY 80 DIVISION REFERRALS AND INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATIONS.
SO THESE ARE THE COMPLAINTS THAT INTERNAL AFFAIRS EITHER COMPLETED THEMSELVES OR HAD THE DIVISION, UH, DO.
AND SO THOSE REVIEWS FOCUSED ON ENSURING INVESTIGATIONS WERE THOROUGH, OBJECTIVE, AND ALIGNED WITH DEPARTMENTAL AND LEGAL PROTOCOLS.
AND THAT IS THE END OF THE, UH, BRIEFING FOR THE FISCAL YEAR.
I KNOW IN, UH, THE MEMO THAT THE DIRECTOR PROVIDED THAT SOME OF THOSE STATISTICS THAT WERE LISTED, UH, ARE ON HERE, UH, THE 1,317 COMPLAINTS, SIX INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS.
I WAS ASKING HER IF THERE WAS A, A WRITTEN DOCUMENT OF ALL THAT.
SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF, A LOT OF GOOD WORK, UH, FOR THE, UH, THE YEAR.
UM, BUT, UH, SOME OF THAT INFORMATION IS HERE SO THAT THE BOARD WANTS TO READ IT.
UH, TAB FOUR, SORRY, TAB THREE, TAB THREE, UH, REGARDING, UH, THE BRIEFING OF THE FISCAL YEAR COMPLAINT INVESTIGATION, AND CRITICAL INCIDENT ACTIVITIES.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR INVESTIGATOR HUFF FROM THE BOARD? I HAVE ONE YES.
BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS, YOU, UH, MAY NOT HAVE THIS INFORMATION OR NOT THE OFFICE.
BUT, UH, AS FAR AS THE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANY YEAR COMPARISON AS FAR AS HOW MANY COMPLAINTS
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YOU, YOU'VE TAKEN? UH, NO.I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I KNOW THE 1300 IS PRETTY COMPARABLE TO WHAT, TO WHAT I, I BELIEVE WAS RECEIVED THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT'S A SLIGHT REDUCTION ACTUALLY FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR, BUT WE CAN PROVIDE THAT VIA EMAIL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMING FROM THE BOARD REGARDING, UH, THIS BRIEFING APPEARS THERE'S NONE.
SO INVESTIGATOR, UH, LET'S MOVE TO TWO B ON ITEM NINE, WHICH IS A CRITICAL INCIDENT BRIEFING, UH, SEPTEMBER 22ND, DEATH IN CUSTODY.
SO ON THIS CALL, IT STARTED ON THE, UH, SEPTEMBER 21ST.
AT ABOUT TEN TWENTY FOUR, THEY RECEIVED A CALL OF A MALE WHO WAS SCREAMING OUTSIDE A RESIDENCE.
UM, AND THEN THAT ESCALATED INTO A SHOTS FIRED CALL WHERE THE HOMEOWNER APPARENTLY SHOT THE, THE, UH, UM, POSSIBLE INTRUDER AS HE IS BREAKING IN.
SO HERE WE HAVE A VIDEO OF THE, SOME BODY-WORN CAMERA WHEN THE, UH, OFFICERS FIRST ARRIVED ON SCENE HERE, COME ON, SIT DOWN, SIT DOWN WHERE, WHERE YOU SHOT AT.
WHERE AT? YOU NEED ME? RIGHT THERE.
AND THEY START TO CHECK HIM FOR INJURIES.
AND HE, UM, DID NOT RECEIVE A BULLET WOUND, BUT HE IS TRANSPORTED TO, UM, THE HOSPITAL.
NO MATTER WAS NOT, WAS NOT, HE WAS ACTING IRRATIONAL SEIZURES.
DO YOU TAKE YOUR MEDICATION FOR THAT? NO, NO.
I AIN'T, THIS IS THE AMBULANCE RIGHT TO THE HOSPITAL.
DID YOU GET THE OFF THAT, SHOULD I SO LISTEN, GET YOUR SEIZURES OFTEN OR NO THICKER CORRECT TO THANK IT TO BE IS THIS THE BOOKING ROOM? YES.
UM, THERE'S NO BODY-WORN CAMERA BECAUSE THEY'RE INSIDE THE JAIL.
SO THIS IS ALL THE, UH, UH, VIDEO FROM THE JAIL SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM.
SO THIS IS THE REGULAR BOOKING ROOM WHERE OTHER PEOPLE ARE BEING BOOKED IN? YES.
ARE THOSE DPD OFFICERS OR ARE THOSE, UH, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OFFICERS? UH, I BELIEVE THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OFFICERS, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE PD OFFICERS THERE I CAN'T DETERMINE FROM LOOKING AT THIS.
YEAH, IT'S, THAT'S THE BOOKEND.
IT'S MOSTLY THE DEPUTIES THAT ARE THERE, BUT IT'S ALSO SOME PD OFFICERS THAT ARE STILL THERE WITH THEM.
THIS ROOM IS THE BOOKING ROOM? YEAH, IT'S THE BOOKING AREA INSIDE THE JAIL, NOT THE HOLDING CELL.
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CAN YOU ANSWER, UH, WHOSE DECISION IT WAS TO RELEASE HIM FROM THE HOSPITAL AND TAKE HIM ON OVER TO THE BOOKING AREA? NO, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.YOU SAID HE WAS SHOT, THOUGH? HE WAS NOT SHOT, HE WAS NOT SHOT SHOT.
HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY BULLET WOUNDS ON HIM WHEN THEY CHECKED HIM, BUT THE HOMEOWNER DID FIRE AROUND.
UM, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW? HOW LONG WAS HE THERE? IS THAT WHERE HE WAS? RIGHT.
SO RIGHT NOW HE'S, LOOKS LIKE HE'S BECOME UNRESPONSIVE.
THEY'VE CALLED A NURSE OVER, UM, AND I THINK THEY'RE ABOUT TO START CPR.
AND THEN HE WAS, AFTER THAT HE WAS TRANSPORTED TO PARKLAND HOSPITAL WHERE HE IS, UH, PRONOUNCED DECEASED.
SO IN THAT LAST SCENE HE HAD, THAT'S WHERE HE HAD COLLAPSED.
UH, HE BECAME UNRESPONSIVE? YES.
WHERE THE JAIL NURSES PROVIDING MEDICAL ASSISTANCE.
UH, WE WILL OPEN IT NOW TO BOARD QUESTIONS TO INVESTIGATOR HUFF.
AND I KNOW MAJOR SILAS IS HERE.
IF, IF THERE'S A QUESTION ON POLICY, I DO KNOW THIS IS UNDER INVESTIGATION, UNDERSTAND? CORRECT.
SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME QUESTIONS THAT CANNOT FULLY BE ANSWERED AT THIS TIME, BUT, UH, I DO WANNA OPEN UP THE BOARD TO ASK ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
UH, FOR INVESTIGATOR HUFF AND ALSO AMIRO SALAS, ANYBODY? YEAH.
UM, I, I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
IN, IN THE, UM, OFFICER'S REPORT, DID THEY SAY ANYTHING ABOUT, UH, HIM BEING INTOXICATED OR ON DRUGS OR ANYTHING OF, DID YOU SEE ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THE AMBULANCE RIDE OVER? UM, IT DIDN'T COME UP ON, ON THIS VERSION OF THE BODY-WORN CAMERA, BUT HE DOES ADMIT TO TAKING ALCOHOL IN SOME SORT OF A, UM, UH, ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES.
'CAUSE I WAS CURIOUS BECAUSE OF THE WAY HE WAS CUFFED AND SCOOTING, CONTINUOUSLY SCOOTING, SCOOTING, SCOOTING DOWN IN THAT ALL THAT TWITCHING GIVES THE, UH, IMPRESSION OF HIM MAYBE BEING ON SOMETHING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YES.
SO MY QUESTION IS, UM, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED AT THE HOSPITAL? ARE WE NOT ALLOWED TO KNOW THAT? OR I MEAN, WAS HE TREATED FOR ANYTHING? AND I JUST DON'T HAVE THOSE ANSWERS.
I DON'T HAVE THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, IT'S STILL UNDER INVESTIGATION.
THAT'D BE BEFORE THE INVESTIGATORS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATORS TO REVIEW IT FIRST.
SO HE, SO WHEN HE LEFT THE HOSPITAL, THE, THE P THE DOCTOR AT THE HOSPITAL RELEASED HIM WITH THINKING HE WAS FINE.
THAT'S THE NOR NORMAL PROCEDURE.
UM, AND THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE, UM, TREATED MEDICALLY AND THEN YOU'RE GIVEN AN OKAY FOR BOOKING.
SO SOMEONE AT THE HOSPITAL WOULD NORMALLY SAY, THIS PERSON IS OKAY TO BE BOOKED, AND THAT'S WHEN THEY GET RELEASED.
SO DO YOU KNOW IF HE WAS ACTING IRRATIONAL AT THE HOSPITAL? NO.
NO, THERE'S NO, UM, I HAVE NO BODY-WORN CAMERA AT THE HOSPITAL.
TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT QUESTION TOO, UM, REGARDING GIVING THEM THE OKAY TO BE BOOKED, UM, DO THEY HAVE TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT HEALTHY TO LEAVE OR, UH, I GUESS MR. SALAS, YOU MAY, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT MORE.
UH, I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE CONFUSION.
WE COULD SEE THE VIDEO RIGHT AFTER THAT.
HOW COULD THE, HOW COULD THE DOCTOR BE OKAY WITH RELEASING HIM? USUALLY, OR IT'S COMMON PRACTICE THAT IF AN INDIVIDUAL HAS SOME KIND OF INJURY, HE GETS TAKEN TO THE NEAREST HOSPITAL AS HE WAS.
WE AS POLICE OFFICERS CANNOT DICTATE WHAT THEY DO.
THEY RELEASE US, THEY TELL US HE'S OKAY, WE TAKE HIM TO JAIL, AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED AT THE JAIL.
UM, SO YES, UH, AS FAR AS BEING TREATED AT THE HOSPITAL AND BEING CHECKED BY THE MEDICAL PROFESSIONS, HE WAS CLEARED AT METHODIST.
AND THAT, THAT'S WHY THE OFFICERS TOOK HIM TO, TO STA.
MAY I ASK, WHY IS THIS IN FRONT OF US WHEN IT'S STILL UNDER INVESTIGATION, RIGHT? IT'S STILL UNDER INVESTIGATION.
SO IT'S BASICALLY INFORMATIONAL IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE TODAY, CORRECT? YES.
YEAH, WE'LL REVIEW EVERY, UH, CRITICAL INCIDENT, UM, THE MONTH THAT IT OCCURRED.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR INVESTIGATOR HUFF OR MAJOR SILAS? YES.BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS, IT'S A QUESTION FOR, FOR CHAIR OR MAYBE DIRECTOR ANDRE.
SO BEFORE THE INVESTIGATION IS OVER, CAN WE VOTE ON WHETHER WE WANT THE OFFICE TO INVESTIGATE YOU? YOU CAN VOTE, BUT, UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA, BUT YOU CAN'T INVESTIGATE.
YEAH, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING UNTIL THAT INVESTIGATION IS COMPLETE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS, WE DO HAVE A CASE ON, UM, RIGHT AFTER THIS ONE MM-HMM
WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE DOING A CONSIDERATION, A CRITICAL INCIDENT REVIEW, WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO REPORT OUT THE FINDINGS.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO ONE ANYWAYS ONCE IT'S GONE THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS.
SO BECAUSE IT'S A CRITICAL INCIDENT, IT, YEAH.
BUT WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL, UM, ALL THE ADMINISTRATIVE AND CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN CONCLUDED BEFORE WE CAN CON, YOU KNOW, JUST BASED ON THE ORDINANCE TO START OUR REVIEW.
SO IN THE MEANTIME, WE'LL MONITOR IT MM-HMM
UM, BUT WE JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST AS PROCESS AS THOSE CRITICAL INCIDENTS HAPPEN, THE FOLLOWING, UM, BOARD MEETING, WE LIKE TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA SO YOU ARE AWARE OF WHAT'S OCCURRING.
AND WE PROVIDE THAT VIDEO, UM, JUST AS A STANDARD PROCESS.
SO CAN I, CAN I ASK A MAJOR QUESTION? IF, IF NOBODY ELSE IS, YES.
SO IF SOMEONE IS TAKEN TO JAIL AND THEY SEEM ERRATIC OR INTOXICATED OR HIGH OR WHATEVER, THEY'RE TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PRIOR, THEN PRETTY MUCH THE HOSPITAL CHECKS 'EM OUT AND THEN SAYS, OKAY, NOW YOU CAN TAKE HIM TO JAIL.
BECAUSE THE THING ABOUT IT IS, IF I WERE ARREST YOU, I TAKE YOU TO, I TAKE YOU TO THE HOSPITAL, MAYBE TWO HOURS HAVE ELAPSED.
YOU STILL HIGH OR DRUNK WHEN I GET YOU TO JAIL OR GOING THROUGH WHATEVER YOU MAY HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH.
BECAUSE LAST MONTH OR THE MONTH BEFORE, WE SAW A GENTLEMAN, A YOUNG MAN, UH, THAT PRETTY MUCH WENT INTO, WELL, HE DIED AT THE SEVEN 11 ON LOVERS AND INWOOD BECAUSE THE HOSPITAL LET HIM GO WHILE HE WAS STILL HIGH.
AND I KNOW BECAUSE THIS IS SOMEBODY I KNOW PERSONALLY, SO I KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION WAS.
SO NOT DIRECTING ANYTHING TOWARDS YOU, I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY MIND AROUND MEDICAL PROCEDURES AS IT RELATES TO SOMEONE BEING BROUGHT INTO THE HOSPITAL THAT WE KNOW IS NOT RIGHT.
AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME THEY LET ELAPSE BEFORE THEY LET GO AND JUST SAY, OH, WE JUST TREATED HIM.
YEAH, I CAN, I CANNOT SPEAK TO, TO YOU ABOUT THE MEDICAL PROCEDURES THEY DO, BUT I KNOW THAT WE TAKE THEM AND THAT'S OUR SAFEGUARD SAYING WE PROVIDED THEM MEDICAL HELP.
WHATEVER THE DOCTORS DO, THAT'S THEIR PROTOCOL.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? AND, UH, LIKE THE DIRECTOR MENTIONED, UH, THEY WILL REVIEW THIS AND THEY WILL GIVE US A FULL REPORT ON THEIR FINDINGS ONCE THE INVESTIGATION IS OVER.
UH, WE DO HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF THIS HAPPENING, THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
BUT BEFORE WE MOVE IN THERE, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS.
SEEING, THERE'S, UH, THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.
LOOKING FORWARD TO THE REPORT ONCE THE INVESTIGATION'S DONE.
UM, 'CAUSE I THINK WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AS A BOARD ON THIS ONE, BUT WE'LL MOVE NOW TO, UH, THREE B ON AGENDA ITEM NINE.
AND, UH, THIS IS A CRITICAL INCIDENT THAT TOOK PLACE JULY 25TH, 2023.
AND, UH, THE INVESTIGATION IS CONCLUDED.
AND SO THE BOARD HAS LOOKED AT IT INDEPENDENTLY.
AND, UM, WHAT WE'LL HEAR TODAY IS THE REPORT FROM THE OCPO OFFICE LED BY INVESTIGATOR HUFF.
AND, UH, THERE WILL BE A, AN ACTION AT THE END.
UH, WE AS A BOARD, WE WILL VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT WE APPROVE OF THE FINDINGS AND ORAL RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE OCPO CRITICAL INCIDENT REVIEW OF THE CASE.
IF WE AS A BOARD APPROVE THE FINDINGS, THEN WE WILL SEND THE REPORT TO THE POLICE CHIEF DIRECTLY WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE OCPO OFFICE.
IF WE AS A BOARD, UH, CHOOSE TO NOT APPROVE, THEN UM, IT DIES HERE.
SO WHAT WILL BE, WHAT, WHAT WE WILL BE VOTING ON, UH, AFTER THIS PRESENTATION, AFTER THIS REPORT IS WHETHER OR NOT WE AGREE WITH THE FINDINGS OF THE OFFICE.
AND IF WE DO, THIS REPORT WILL BE SENT DIRECTLY
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AND PUT ON THE, THE DESK OF THE POLICE CHIEF, UH, TO, TO READ.UH, SO I WANT EVERYBODY KNOW, UH, WHAT THE ACTION ITEM IS AT THE END AND, UM, BEFORE WE HEAR THE PRESENTATION.
SO I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE AGAIN, THE INVESTIGATOR GREG HUFF, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION, UH, FOR CN 20 24 0 0 2, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
THIS CRITICAL INCIDENT OCCURRED BACK ON JULY 25TH, 2023.
UM, IT WAS A PURSUIT WHICH ENDED UP IN AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING.
UH, WELL, DEAR, IF WE COULD JUST PAUSE IT FOR A SECOND.
UM, AND SO IT STARTS WITH, UH, PLAIN CLOTHES OFFICERS AND UNMARKED VEHICLES WATCHING A STOLEN U-HAUL TRUCK WHILE THEY'RE WATCHING THAT STOLEN U-HAUL TRUCK.
A SECOND STOLEN U-HAUL TRUCK PULLS UP.
UM, THERE'S A DR OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A DRIVER IN THERE.
AND THEN THAT SECOND U-HAUL TRUCK LEAVES THE SCENE, THE UNMARKED VEHICLES WITH A PLAIN CLOTHES OFFICER START TO FOLLOW IT.
UM, THEN THERE'S A, A CRASH HAPPENS.
THE U-HAUL INTENTIONALLY BACKS INTO ONE OF THE UNMARKED VEHICLES TO DISABLE IT.
SO WHEN THAT OCCURS, THE PATROL OFFICERS WHO ARE IN THE AREA GO IN PURSUIT OF THE U-HAUL.
THEY PURSUE THE U-HAUL FOR ABOUT, UM, 14 MINUTES.
THERE'S A SHORT FOOT PURSUIT AND AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING AT THE END.
UM, AND SO WE HAVE SOME BODY-WORN CAMERA HERE TO, TO SHOW YOU HERE.
AND ALSO LET THE BOARD MEMBER KNOW UNDER TAB FOUR, UH, THERE IS A WRITTEN REPORT ABOUT THIS, UH, INCIDENT AS WELL.
I BELIEVE IT STARTS WITH SOME DASH CAM VIDEO HERE.
SO THE TRUCK THAT HAS PASSED WAS THE DISABLED UNMARKED VEHICLE.
VANESSA GONNA BE IN A HACK OF SALT WESTBOUND GOING WESTBOUND ON THE NEST TOWARD MARSHALL LANE, JUST NORTHBOUND ON POST, JUST TURNING NORTHBOUND ON POST.
DO WE KNOW WHY THEY WERE FOLLOWING THIS TRUCK? BECAUSE IT WAS STOLEN.
WE'RE ABOUT GOING UNDER NORTHWEST HIGHWAY ON DT.
LOOKS LIKE ONE OF THEIR BACK TIRES IS GONNA GIVE OUT WHICH ONE RIGHT OR LEFT MY SIDE.
AND, UH, DUDE, JUDGE, IF I CAN CLARIFY, THIS VEHICLE WAS BEING CHASED 'CAUSE HE ASSAULTED AN OFFICER.
THE REASON THAT THE VEHICLE WAS BEING CHASED IS BECAUSE HE ASSAULTED AN OFFICER AND STOLEN.
I WAS WONDERING WHAT GAVE RISE TO ALL OF THIS? THE ASSAULT, UH, MAJOR WAS BACKING INTO THE, THE VEHICLE.
AND INTENTIONALLY RAMMED THE VEHICLE.
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YEAH.I'LL JUST KIND OF STAND BACK A LITTLE BIT.
WHERE ARE WE AT? STILL GOING SOUTHBOUND ON DT.
YEAH, SOMEBODY CAN GET ME THAT PLATE SO I CAN PUT THE REGISTRATION INFO ON THERE.
I HAVE, WE NEED TO NOTIFY THE TOW WAY OF WHAT KIND OF VEHICLE, ET CETERA.
WHAT? WE'RE IN THE EXIT WE NEED FOR YCL.
IT JUST TOOK THE WHITECLIFF EXIT.
IT'LL BE GOING WESTBOUND AT 2,500.
LET'S GET SOMEBODY CHECK OUT IS THE TELL THE F*****G GIRL.
SO FIRE, SHUT THE F*****G GOD.
WHERE'S THE GUN? RIGHT HERE BEHIND HIM.
ARE WE READY? YOU READY? I GOT KEEP COMING.
KEEP YOUR HANDS WHERE WE CAN SEE YOU.
WE NEED SOME OFFICERS HERE TO COVER ALL THE DOORS OF THIS.
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I DON'T WANT, LEMME PUT ON HIM.I'M GONNA GET TOURNIQUET ON IT WIDE OPEN HERE ON THE, UH, WEST SIDE.
SO WHAT WAS HARD TO SEE ON THE, UH, BODY-WORN CAMERA IS DURING THE FOOT PURSUIT, UH, WITH THE RUNNING TOWARDS THAT BIG OPEN DOORWAY, THAT BUILDING, AS SOON AS THE, UH, SUSPECT GOT INTO THAT DOORWAY, HE TURNED AROUND AND FIRED TWO ROUNDS OF THE OFFICER.
AND THAT'S WHAT PROMPTED THE OFFICER TO RETURN FIRE.
AND WHEN HE RETURNED FIRE, HE HIT THE SUSPECT IN HIS KNEE.
THE SUSPECT DROPPED THE GUN AND DROPPED TO THE GROUND.
AND THEN THEY SUBSEQUENTLY MADE THE ARREST.
UM, SO THIS WENT TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS TO REVIEW.
UM, THAT WAS SENIOR CORPORAL KEENAN CRAVEN, WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THE, UH, SHOOTING.
AND THEY CAME UP WITH THAT HE ACTED WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S DEADLY FORCE POLICY.
UM, AND THEREFORE THEY CLASSIFIED THE INVESTIGATION AS COMPLETE, WHICH MEANS THAT THERE IS NO VIOLATION OF POLICY THAT HAD OCCURRED, THAT THEY SAW AS FAR AS THE VEHICLE PURSUIT REPORT, THAT WAS NOT DONE BY INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
THAT WAS, UH, COMPLETED BY THE SERGEANT WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THE PURSUIT OF SERGEANT ADRIAN ARAGON.
UM, HE COMPLETED THE REPORT AND THE CONCLUSION OF THE REPORT WAS THE PURSUIT FALLS WITHIN DEPARTMENT GUIDELINES.
BUT IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE SERGEANT WAS UNABLE TO VIEW ANY OF THE BODY-WORN CAMERA OR DASH CAM VIDEO OF THE INCIDENT BECAUSE IT WAS LOCKED DOWN DUE TO THE CRITICAL INCIDENT UNDER INVESTIGATION.
SO I DID MY REVIEW, AND WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH MY FINDINGS HERE.
SO WE'LL START WITH SENIOR CORPORAL KEENAN CRAVEN.
UM, AS FAR AS THE DEADLY FORCE, I AGREED WITH THE, UM, INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION.
THERE'S NO VIOLATION OF POLICY, BUT REFERENCE THE PURSUIT PORTION OF IT.
I CAME UP WITH, UM, SUSTAINED VIOLATIONS FOR PROHIBITED TO CROSS A DIVIDED HIGHWAY, UM, A POLICY FOR NO MORE THAN THREE VEHICLES IN A PURSUIT.
AND THE OTHER POLICY WILL NOT DRIVE CODE THREE TO CATCH UP TO A PURSUIT UNLESS DIRECTED BY A SUPERVISOR.
UH, SENIOR CORPORAL KEENAN CRAVEN DROVE WITH LIGHTS AND SIRENS FOR APPROXIMATELY FIVE MINUTES BEFORE CATCHING UP TO THE PURSUIT, AND HE WAS DRIVING UP TO SPEEDS UP TO 122 MILES PER HOUR WHEN DOING THIS.
WHEN SENIOR CORPORAL CRAVEN INITIALLY CAUGHT UP TO THE PURSUIT, HE WAS THE FOURTH VEHICLE IN THE PURSUIT.
SENIOR CRAVEN PASSED TWO PATROL VEHICLES TO BECOME THE SECOND VEHICLE IN THE PURSUIT VI VIOLATING THE POLICY OF NO MORE THAN THREE VEHICLES IN A PURSUIT.
AND DURING THE PURSUIT, S SENIOR, UH, CORPORAL CRAVEN CROSSED THE DIVIDED HIGHWAY, WHICH WAS SEPARATED BY RAY'S CONCRETE CURBING.
UH, HE, SO HE DROVE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD.
HE DID THIS TWO SEPARATE TIMES IN FOLLOWING THE SUSPECT VEHICLE.
UM, AND THERE'S NO INFORMATION UNCOVERED THAT SUGGESTED A SUPERVISOR DIRECTED SENIOR CORPORAL CRAVEN TO JOIN THIS PURSUIT.
SO THOSE ARE THE VIOLATIONS FOR, UM, OFFICER CRAVEN.
THE NEXT IS, UM, SERGEANT ADRIAN ARAGON.
HE WAS A SERGEANT THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THE PURSUIT.
NEAR THE END IS WHEN HE ACTUALLY, UM, IS INVOLVED IN THE PURSUIT.
UM, SO THE SUSTAINED VIOLATIONS I FOUND ON HIM WERE FOR, UM, VIOLATION OF THE ORDER.
A PURSUIT DISCONTINUED IF THE RISK OUTWEIGHS THE IMMEDIATE NEED TO APPREHEND THE OFFENDER.
AND A SECOND POLICY OF FAILURE OF A SUPERVISOR OR COMMANDER TO IMMEDIATELY TAKE ACTION WHEN A VIOLATION OF RULES OR REGULATIONS COMES TO THEIR ATTENTION.
AND FOR SERGEANT ARAGON, HE WAS DIRECTLY BEHIND SENIOR CORPORAL CRAVEN WHEN, UM, CORPORAL CRAVEN DROVE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD.
SO IT WAS CRAVEN WAS IN FRONT, THE SERGEANT WAS RIGHT BEHIND HIM.
THE SUSPECT VEHICLE GOES ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD.
UM, SENIOR CORPORAL CRAVEN FOLLOWS ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD.
THE SERGEANT DOES NOT FOLLOW ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD.
HE STAYS ON THE CORRECT SIDE, BUT HE OBVIOUSLY WITNESSED THAT EVENT.
UM, AND THEN THERE WAS NOTHING NOTED IN THE RADIO TRAFFIC THAT WOULD INDICATE THAT SERGEANT ARAGON WAS ATTEMPTING TO WEIGH THE RISKS OF THIS PURSUIT OF HOW DANGEROUS IT WAS.
UH, THE NEXT OFFICER IS OFFICER ASHLEY CATLIN.
UM, I HAVE HER SUSTAINED FOR A VIOLATION OF THE ORDER OF TO INFORM DISPATCH OF OTHER COLLISIONS.
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CAITLYN WAS THE PASSENGER IN THE LEAD PURSUIT VEHICLE FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE PURSUIT.UM, AS SHE WAS CALLING OUT THE PURSUIT ON THE RADIO, UM, OFFICER KATLIN WAS CALLING OUT THE PURSUIT WHEN NUMEROUS COLLISIONS OCCURRED.
UH, SHE DID NOT MAKE THE PROPER NOTIFICATION TO DISPATCH SO THAT SUPERVISORS COULD GAUGE THE RISK OF THIS PURSUIT.
OFFICER CATLIN CALLED OUT THE FIRST COLLISION BETWEEN THE SUSPECT VEHICLE AND A MOTORIST, BUT THEN FAILED TO NOTIFY DISPATCH OF THE NEXT SEVEN COLLISIONS.
MOST THOSE COLLISIONS OCCURRED ON THE TOLLWAY THERE.
SOME OF THOSE WE COULD SEE ON THE DASH CAM AS HE WAS DRIVING IN THAT U-HAUL TRUCK.
HE WOULD SWERVE INTO VEHICLES AND ATTEMPTING TO MAKE COLLISIONS.
UM, AND I CAN ONLY YOU KNOW, SPECULATE TO TRY TO DISSUADE THE OFFICERS FROM CONTINUING TO CHASE HIM.
UH, THE NEXT OFFICER IS OFFICER REX NAUMAN, UM, FOUND HIM FOR A VIOLATION OF PROHIBITED FROM CROSSING A DIVIDED HIGHWAY.
OFFICER NAUMAN FOLLOWED SENIOR CORPORAL CRAVEN ACROSS A DIVIDED HIGHWAY AND DROVE THE WRONG WAY ON THE ROAD.
SO AGAIN, DURING THE PURSUIT, HE WAS BEHIND, UM, SENIOR CORPORAL CRAVEN.
UM, DURING ONE OF THE TIMES HE CROSSED THE HIGHWAY AND HE JUST KEPT FOLLOWING AND FOLLOWED, UM, SENIOR CORPORAL CRAVEN ACROSS.
AND I DROVE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE, UH, ROAD FOR A SHORT DISTANCE.
AND THE FINAL OFFICER IS OFFICER PAUL CAMPANO, UM, FOUND HIM FOR VIOLATION OF NO MORE THAN THREE VEHICLES IN A PURSUIT AND WILL NOT DRIVE CODE THREE TO CATCH UP TO PURSUIT UNLESS DIRECTED BY A SUPERVISOR.
OFFICER CAMPANO DROVE CODE THREE DRIVING UP TO 84 MILES PER HOUR ON THE STREETS AND 116 MILES PER HOUR ON THE FREEWAY TO CATCH UP WITH THE PURSUIT.
WHEN OFFICER CAMPANO CATCHES UP TO THE PURSUIT, HE IS THE FOURTH VEHICLE IN THE PURSUIT.
HE CONTINUES WITH THE PURSUIT AS THE NUMBER FOUR VEHICLE.
SO IN CONCLUSION, THE OCPO AGREES WITH THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION THAT FOUND THAT THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE OF THIS INCIDENT WAS JUSTIFIED.
UM, HOWEVER, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT VEHICLE PURSUIT REPORT PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE PURSUIT.
IT NOTES THAT THE BODY-WORN CAMERA AND DASH CAMERAS WERE NOT REVIEWED AS THEY WERE LOCKED FOR THIS INVESTIGATION OF THE AGGRAVATED ASSAULT OF A PUBLIC SERVANT.
UH, THE VEHICLE PURSUIT REPORT CONCLUDES THAT THE PURSUIT WAS WITHIN DEPARTMENT GUIDELINES.
THE OCPO DISAGREES WITH THIS CONCLUSION, UH, REVIEWED.
THE PURSUIT REVEALED A STOLEN U-HAUL MOVING VAN THAT WAS SPEEDING AND INTENTIONALLY CRASHING INTO MULTIPLE MOVING VEHICLES WHILE FLEEING FROM OFFICERS.
SEVERAL OFFICERS DROVE AT HIGH SPEEDS ATTEMPTING TO CATCH UP WITHOUT GUIDANCE FROM A SUPERVISOR.
ONE OFFICER OVERTOOK OTHERS ALREADY INVOLVED IN THE PURSUIT TO GET CLOSER TO THE STOLEN VEHICLE.
THERE IS NO INDICATION OF A SUPERVISOR TRYING TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PATROL VEHICLES INVOLVED.
THE STOLEN U-HAUL CROSSED INTO ONCOMING TRAFFIC SOMETIMES PURSUED BY MULTIPLE UNITS ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD.
THESE ACTIONS ARE EXPLICITLY PROHIBITED BY POLICY MANUAL AND POSE A SIGNIFICANT DANGER TO THE PUBLIC.
ONLY THE SERGEANT INVOLVED IN THE PURSUIT REVIEWED THE INCIDENT AND NO OFFICER WAS HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR POTENTIAL POLICY VIOLATIONS WITHOUT AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW PROCESS.
THESE ACTIONS ARE EFFECTIVELY CONDONED, ENCOURAGING SIMILAR BEHAVIOR IN FUTURE PURSUITS.
SO THE OCPO RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, WOULD BE THAT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT ESTABLISH A REVIEW PROCESS FOR VEHICLE PURSUITS WHERE THE REVIEWER WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THE PURSUIT.
THIS PROCESS SHOULD INCLUDE EVALUATING TACTICS, ENSURING POLICY COMPLIANCE, AND IMPROVING PUBLIC SAFETY BY ANALYZING THE OUTCOME OF HIGH SPEED CHASES.
THANK YOU INVESTIGATOR FOR THIS REPORT.
AND, UH, FROM WHAT I'M READING, THE OCPO AGO, THE OCPO, UH, REGARDING THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE, THEY AGREE WITH INTERNAL AFFAIRS YES.
IS THE PURSUIT CORRECT? CAN WE HEAR FROM THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS AS TO WHY THEY DID NOT MAKE A DETERMINATION ON THE PURSUIT EVENT? IED WAS TASKED WITH THE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING, NOT THE EVADING PART, USUALLY UP TO THE CHAIN OF COMMAND TO REVIEW THE PO THE POLICY OF THAT PARTICULAR DIVISION.
OKAY, SO IT WAS OUT OF YOUR, OUT OF YOUR HANDS.
UNLESS THEY DEEMED SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT, THEN WE WILL START THE PROCESS OR OUT THE INVESTIGATION INVESTIGATOR, WHOSE HANDS WERE IT IN? WHAT, WHOSE HANDS WAS IT IN? IF IT WAS NOT IN I IEDS HANDS, IT WAS JUST COMPLETED BY THAT, UH, SERGEANT ARAGON, WHO THE VERY SAME SERGEANT WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THE ISSUE.
SO, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A TIME FOR THE BOARD TO ASK SOME CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.
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DOING YOU'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING.UH, BUT THEN AFTER THE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, I WILL ENTERTAIN, UH, ANY BOARD MEMBER THAT WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO AGREE OR WHAT'S THE TERM, UH, TO APPROVE, UH, THE, THE FINDINGS OF THE OFFICE.
AND THEN, UH, IF THE BOARD, UH, THERE'S A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD, THEN WE WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO THE POLICE, UH, CHIEF, UH, AND HIS LEADERSHIP OFFICE.
BUT ANY QUESTIONS THAT WOULD THAT CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, UH, BEFORE WE, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION? YES, MR. JACKSON? UH, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, UM, ON PAGE TWO OF THE REPORT THAT IT MENTIONS THE DENVER FIRE DEPARTMENT VERSUS THE DALLAS FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO MAYBE YOU CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE IN THE EVENT THAT THIS IS SENT TO THE, UH, CHIEF IF YOU GO TO IN THE BACKGROUND SECTION.
LAST SENTENCE OR SECOND TO LAST SENTENCE, I BELIEVE.
THE ADMINISTERED FIRST AID DENVER FIRE RESCUE.
YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M SHARPENING IRON HERE.
YOU KNOW, OLD HABITS DIE HARD,
SO ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS OF CLARIFICATION FOR INVESTIGATOR OR MAJORS? I HAVE A, I HAVE, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
'CAUSE I REMEMBER THIS VERY WELL.
I WAS WORKING FROM HOME THAT DAY AND THIS WAS CIRCLING PRETTY MUCH THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THIS GUY AND WHERE HE ACTUALLY ENDED UP.
BUT WHAT TOOK 27 MONTHS? THIS HAPPENED IN 23, RIGHT? CORRECT.
WHAT TOOK SO LONG? I THINK THEY HAD TO HIRE ME FIRST.
IT WAS STILL, THAT'S 27 MONTHS.
THAT'S A LONG TIME FOR THAT TO BE SITTING OUT THERE.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TOOK SO LONG.
I GUESS YOU'RE ASKING WHEN DID THEIR INVESTIGATION CONCLUDE, RIGHT.
WHEN, WHEN DID THE UH, IAD INVESTIGATION CONCLUDE? UM, YEAH.
MR. S MAY KNOW THAT THE HIGH OF 23.
I DON'T HAVE THE IAD INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME WHEN THEY COMPLETED THEIR INVESTIGATION.
28TH IS WOULD'VE BEEN MONTH OR SO AFTER.
THANK FOR WE HAVE YOU HERE NOW TO HELP US GET THROUGH THESE.
MR. B UH, SO THIS IS A FOLLOW UP ON FOR IAD THAT YOU WERE SAYING.
THE POLICY INVOLVED IS THE, UH, SUPERVISING OFFICER WOULD USUALLY WRITE THE REPORT, THE CHAIN OF COMMAND ON THAT PARTICULAR DIVISION.
THE, THE CONTROLLING SUPERVISOR WILL DO THE PURSUIT VEHICLE CHASE ON BLUE TEAM.
AND IS THAT IN SITUATIONS WHERE THEY WERE ALSO A PART OF THE PURSUIT? OR IS THAT A LITTLE UNUSUAL? NO, NO.
THIS IS NORMAL STANDARD PRACTICE.
REVIEW THAT ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE, EVERYTHING WAS LOCKED BECAUSE OF THE SHOOTING.
AND HE FORWARDED, HE FORWARDED THE BLUE TEAM SAYING THAT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED AND HE WENT UP TO ALL THE WAY TO THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AND THEY APPROVED IT.
IS THERE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE FINDINGS FROM THE OCPO OFFICE REGARDING THIS CRITICAL INCIDENT? JUDGE LAND DISTRICT EIGHT, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE FINDINGS, UH, THAT WERE MADE BY THE OFFICE.
IS THERE A SECOND? JULIA SIMON, DISTRICT 13 SECOND.
THERE'S BEEN A MOTION IT'S BEEN SECONDED.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION REGARDING THIS BEFORE WE VOTE? YES.
SO, UM, WE'RE CONCLUDING WE HAVE A CONCLUSION AND THEN WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.
SO WE ARE VOTING ON THIS CONCLUSION, BUT WE DO RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, ESTABLISH A REVIEW PROCESS FOR VEHICLE PURSUITS.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON.
UM, I MEAN, IS IS THAT WHEN WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS LIKE THIS, DOES IT GO OUT INTO THE ETHER AFTER WE VOTE ON YOUR CONCLUSION? OR DO WE THEN GO HAVE A MEETING AND TALK ABOUT IF IT'S, UM, THE PLAUSIBILITY OF IMPLEMENTING SUCH A RECOMMENDATION, THE DIRECTOR MAY BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION.
SO, UM, I, I BELIEVE LAST MONTH, UH, WE ACTUALLY MET WITH THE CHIEF AND,
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UM, HIS LEADERSHIP TO DISCUSS SOME OF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE BOARD HAD VOTED ON, UM, TO REVIEW THE FACTS OF THE CASES AND THEN RECOMMENDATION.UM, AND HE'S CURRENTLY REVIEWING IT AND INTENDS TO PROVIDE US, UM, A DECISION SOON.
SO WE WOULD HOPE TO DO THE SAME THING.
UM, PROVIDE THE CHIEF, THE BODY WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE, ALL THE EVIDENCE ASSOCIATED INTERNAL AFFAIRS HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE PART OF THAT MEETING.
HE ASKS ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE, UM, ANY QUESTION HE MIGHT HAVE FOR US IN OUR REVIEW.
AND THEN WE ADDRESS THAT AND THEN WE LET HIM HAVE SOME TIME TO, TO CONSIDER THAT AND MAKE A DECISION.
BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THIS, THIS IS KIND OF ONE OF THOSE CASES WHERE YOU WANT THEM TO GO AFTER THE BAD GUY, THE BAD GUY'S DOING REALLY BAD THINGS.
BUT MAYBE WE BROKE SOME OF THE RULES IN THE PROCESS AND I DON'T KNOW IN THE MOMENT WHAT YOU DO, UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO STOP THIS, THIS PERSON FLEEING.
UM, SO I GUESS IT DOES SEEM LIKE THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHEN, UM, WE'RE BEING SUPER TRANSPARENT AND WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS AND WE CAN MAYBE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WOULDN'T COME ACROSS DPDS DESK NECESSARILY BECAUSE Y'ALL ARE IN THE THICK OF IT EVERY DAY.
BUT WE'RE STEPPING BACK AND SEEING, OH, WELL MAYBE EVEN THOUGH YOU NEEDED TO BE GOING AFTER THIS BAD GUY, TOO MANY OF THE PURSUIT RULES WERE BROKEN.
AND SO WE NEED TO RETHINK THE, THE RULES AND MAYBE WE NEED TO DO MORE TRAINING, OR MAYBE THE RULES NEED TO BE CHANGED.
'CAUSE THIS IS SHOWING HOW THEY'RE LIMITING OFFICERS AND WE DON'T WANNA BRING UP OFFICERS.
I, I, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST RAMBLING NOW, BUT SURE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, IT MAKES SENSE.
AND 'CAUSE UH, WHAT WAS LISTED TOO ARE OFFICIAL POL, THEY'RE ACTUALLY ALREADY POLICIES THAT DBD HAS MM-HMM
ABOUT THEIR PLAN FOR PURSUITS THAT WERE NOT HONORED.
AND, UH, JUST BRINGING THAT TO THE ATTENTION OF WHAT THE, THE GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THEY HAVE SET THERE IN PLACE.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE OFFICE NOTICED THAT THOSE GUIDELINES AND POLICIES WEREN'T HONORED AND, UH MM-HMM
SO WE'LL BRING THAT TO THE CHIEF DOCTOR.
MAY I MAKE ALSO A CLARIFICATION, IF I MAY? UM, THE QUESTION ABOUT WHY IT TOOK SO LONG? UH, IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE OFFICER OFFICER, THE CRIMINAL ASPECT OF THE INVESTIGATION.
THAT'S WHY IT TAKES SO LONG TO BE ACTUALLY, SO JUST FOR YOUR CONSIDERATIONS.
AND THEN WHEN, WHEN WE SAY WE READ IN HERE THAT THE BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE WAS LOCKED, THAT'S BECAUSE IT WAS PART OF THIS CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION? YES, MA'AM.
AND SHE COULDN'T ACCESS IT UNTIL THAT PART WAS DONE.
OBVIOUSLY, THE SERGEANT COULD GO BACK AND OPEN IT UP, BUT HE WAS ALSO, OR GENERAL ORDER STATES THAT WE SHOULD DO THE PURSUIT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
I I APPRECIATE ALL THAT CLARIFICATION.
ANY OTHER, UH, DISCUSSION BEFORE WE WE VOTE? MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, MR. FRIEDMAN? UM, I JUST HAVE A, A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, WHEN WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
'CAUSE WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ENFORCEMENT POWER OBVIOUSLY ON THE BOARD.
UM, I, I WOULD OFFER THIS UP AS AN IDEA OR REQUEST THIS, THAT WHENEVER WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CHIEF, WE PUT A TIME LIMIT ON IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE DO THAT ALREADY, BUT WE SAY WE DO.
LIKE WE, SO JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW.
SO WE SAY LIKE, HERE'S OUR RECOMMENDATION.
PLEASE GET BACK TO US WITHIN 30 DAYS ABOUT WHETHER YOU ARE OR ARE NOT GOING TO IMPLEMENT OUR RECOMMENDATION.
JUST SO THAT WE HAVE A RECORD OF HOW MANY TIMES THE BOARD HAS MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CHIEF.
AND WE CAN KEEP TRACK OF HOW MANY TIMES HE'S IMPLEMENTING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND HOW MANY TIMES HE'S IGNORING THEM.
SO THAT IF THE, IF WE SEE A PATTERN START TO EMERGE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON THAT.
BUT APPARENTLY THIS IS REDUNDANT.
APPARENTLY YOU'RE ALREADY DOING IT.
WHAT'S THE, UH, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE? I GAVE HIM LIKE 60 DAYS.
YES, MR. HIGGINS, IF I'M CORRECT, IT IS IN THE ORDINANCE THAT HE MUST RESPOND TO US BY A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME.
CORRECT? THE ORDINANCE ONLY REQUIRES THAT HE SAYS THAT HE RECEIVED IT.
IT DOES NOT PROVIDE A SPECIFIC TIMELINE TO WHEN HE SHOULD DO THAT.
SEEING, THERE'S, UH, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
UH, AND SO WE'LL GO DISTRICT BY DISTRICT.
AND IF YOU APPROVE THE FINDINGS THAT YAY.
IF YOU, UH, DISAPPROVE NAY AND A MAJORITY WILL CARRY ON THIS ONE.
HOW? DISTRICT FOUR? UH, DISTRICT FIVE.
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DISTRICT EIGHT.DISTRICT NINE I BELIEVE IS VACANT.
THE BOARD APPROVES THE FINDINGS FROM NO CPO OFFICE, UH, REGARDING THIS CRITICAL INCIDENT.
UH, WILL NOW HEAR ANOTHER REPORT FROM YOU.
AND, UH, THIS IS A, AN INVESTIGATION THAT IN A PRIOR MEETING, WE AS A BOARD, UH, VOTED ON FOR INVESTIGATOR TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS WHERE WE'LL HEAR THE REPORT FROM INVESTIGATOR HUFF, THE ONE THAT WE, WE REQUESTED, UH, MEETINGS AGO.
AND WE AS A VOTE BOARD WILL VOTE ON WHETHER WE APPROVE OF THE OCPO FINDINGS AND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND JUST LIKE THE LAST REPORT, IF WE APPROVE IT, THIS WILL ALSO BE INCLUDED IN THE, THE, UH, MEETING WITH THE POLICE CHIEF AND ALSO GIVEN TO HIM AS WELL.
SO, UH, THE CHAIR LOOKED RECOGNIZED, INVESTIGATOR HUFF, UH, TO DISCUSS CASE NI 2025 DASH OH 5 3 4.
UM, AND WE'LL VOTE ON WHETHER APPROVE THESE FINDINGS.
IN THIS CASE, UH, NARIAH WILLIAMS, UH, SUBMITTED A COMPLAINT WHERE SHE COMPLAINED ABOUT THREE SEPARATE INCIDENTS.
AND SO THE FIRST INCIDENT WAS ON NOVEMBER 18TH, 2020.
AND AS A REMINDER, THIS IS WHEN SHE WAS WORKING AS A PROSTITUTE AND, AND UP GETTING SHOT.
UH, DURING THIS INCIDENT, HER COMPLAINT REFERENCED THAT INCIDENT, UM, WAS A FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE.
SHE STATED THAT THE REPORT WAS TITLED AGGRAVATED ASSAULT WITH SERIOUS BODILY INJURY, AND SHE BELIEVED IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TITLED ATTEMPTED MURDER.
HER SECOND COMPLAINT WAS THAT SEVERAL ITEMS BELONGING TO HER WERE TAKEN BY THE POLICE DURING THIS INCIDENT AND NEVER RETURNED, NOR WERE THEY APPROPRIATELY STORED.
HER THIRD COMPLAINT WAS A FALSE REPORT.
SHE SAID THE POLICE REPORT FOR THIS INCIDENT CONTAINED A FALSE STATEMENT THAT ATTRIBUTES HER TO SAYING THAT SHE ADMITTED TO PROSTITUTION.
UM, SHE MAINTAINED THAT SHE NEVER MADE THAT STATEMENT.
THE FOURTH COMPLAINT WAS FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE.
SHE SAID THAT DETECTIVE HATCH SUSPENDED THIS CASE WITHIN HOURS OF IT BEING OPENED AND MADE NO EFFORT TO FIND THE PERPETRATOR.
UH, THE SECOND INCIDENT SHE COMPLAINED ABOUT OCCURRED ON FEBRUARY 11TH, 2022.
AND THAT IS WHEN SHE WAS ARRESTED FOR A MANIFEST MANIFESTATION OF PROSTITUTION.
UM, SHE COMPLAINED OF OFFICIAL OPPRESSION.
WILLIAM'S VEHICLE WAS IMPOUNDED DURING THIS INCIDENT AND SHE WAS NEVER NOTIFIED OF ITS RELEASE.
SHE ALSO, AGAIN, COMPLAINED OF THEFT.
SHE SAID SHE NEVER RECEIVED A PROPERTY BACK THAT WAS INSIDE HER VEHICLE AT THE TIME IT WAS IMPOUNDED.
AND THE, UM, FINAL INCIDENT SHE COMPLAINED ABOUT, OCCURRED ON DECEMBER 20TH, 2022.
AGAIN, SHE WAS ARRESTED THERE AND SHE COMPLAINED THAT, UM, DETECTIVE HATCH NEVER ADVISED HER OF HER RIGHTS AND ATTEMPTED TO COERCE HER INTO COOPERATING BY THREATENING TO TAKE HER PHONE.
SO THOSE ARE THE SEVEN COMPLAINTS SHE MADE, AND WE'LL GO STRAIGHT TO THE, UM, FINDINGS.
SO THE FIRST, UH, COMPLAINT REFERENCED THE TITLE OF THE CASE BEING, UM, AGGRAVATED ASSAULT WITH SERIOUS BODILY INJURY.
UM, THAT'S TEXAS PENAL CODE 22.02 A ONE.
AND YOU KNOW, IT DEFINES, UM, A PERSON COMMITS AN OFFENSE.
THE COMMERCIAL COMMITS AN ASSAULT AS DEFINED IN ANOTHER SECTION.
UM, A VIOLATION OF THIS SECTION IS CONSIDERED A FELONY OF THE SECOND DEGREE, AND THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ALWAYS HAS A DISCRETION TO CHARGE A SUSPECT AS IT SEES FIT.
REGARDLESS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE TITLE OF THE POLICE REPORT STATES.
SO BASED ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THIS CASE, IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THE TITLE OF THE CASE TO BE AGGRAVATED ASSAULT WITH SERIOUS BODILY INJURY, AND THERE IS NO POLICY VIOLATION FOR USING THE AGGRAVATED ASSAULT TITLE VERSUS ATTEMPTED MURDER TITLE.
THEREFORE, THE FINDING FOR THIS ALLEGATION IS EXONERATED.
THE NEXT COMPLAINT WAS, UM, ABOUT THE PROPERTY TAKEN BY THE POLICE DURING THAT INCIDENT AND NEVER RETURNED.
WHEN INTERVIEWED WILLIAMS COULD NOT RECALL THE EXACT ITEMS THAT WERE TAKEN BY POLICE.
HOWEVER, WHEN I REVIEWED THE POLICE REPORT, I COULD
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SEE THAT EVIDENCE WAS TAKEN, WHICH INCLUDED A BLUE NECK PILLOW, A BLACK JACKET, A CELL PHONE, A LOUIS VUITTON BAG, AND A GREEN ADIDAS SHOE.I CONTACTED, UM, THE PROPERTY ROOM HERE, UM, AT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UH, THEY STILL HAVE THE PROPERTY THERE.
IT'S STILL BEING LOGGED IN AS EVIDENCE, SO THEY'RE STILL IN POSSESSION OF IT.
SO THE FIND THEREFORE THE FINDING FOR THIS ALLEGATION IS UNFOUNDED.
UM, IN REFERENCE TO, UM, THE STATEMENT THAT SHE SAYS WAS ATTRIBUTED TO HER, BUT SHE NEVER MADE AT THE SCENE.
UM, THE POLICE REPORT WAS WRITTEN BY OFFICER PIAD, UM, AND IN THE POLICE REPORT IT STATED THAT, UM, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO GET A STATEMENT FROM HER AT THE SCENE.
SHE WAS NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE OF HER INJURIES.
HOWEVER, IT DID STATE THAT SHE SAID SHE WAS QUOTE OUT HOEING, UM, AT THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT.
THE REPORT IS NOT CLEAR ON WHO HEARD THAT, WHETHER IT WAS OFFICER PIAD WHO WROTE THE REPORT, OR IF IT WAS ANOTHER OFFICER WHO HAD JUST PROVIDED HIM WITH THE INFORMATION.
UM, I INTERVIEWED OFFICER PIAD WHO SAYS HE WAS ON THE FORCE FOR ABOUT A MONTH AT THE TIME OF THIS INCIDENT, AND HE SAYS A LOT OF PEOPLE AT THE SCENE WERE GIVING HIM INFORMATION, BUT HE COULD NOT RECALL IF IT WAS THE VICTIM WHO PROVIDED THAT STATEMENT OR IF ANOTHER OFFICER HAD TOLD HIM THAT SHE HAD SAID THAT, UM, BODY-WORN CAMERA WAS REVIEWED, BUT IT COULD NOT PROVE ANYTHING EITHER WAY, UM, YOU KNOW, TO PROVE IT OR DISPROVE IT.
AND IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE POLICE REPORT DOES CONTAIN A STATEMENT FROM ANOTHER PARTY WHO FULLY EXPLAINED THAT WILLIAMS WAS INVOLVED IN PROSTITUTION WHEN THAT INCIDENT OCCURRED.
UM, SO BASED ON ALL THE INFORMATION, THE, UM, FINDING FOR THIS ALLEGATION IS NOT SUSTAINED.
AND THE FOURTH COMPLAINT ON THAT, UM, INCIDENT, UM, WAS THAT WILLIAMS HAD STATED THE CASE WAS SUSPENDED WITHIN HOURS OF THE INCIDENT OCCURRING.
AND SHE SAID IT WAS SUSPENDED BY DETECTIVE HATCH, WHO, YOU KNOW, MADE NO ATTEMPT TO FIND THE PERPETRATOR.
IT WAS CONFIRMED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT THE CASE WAS SUSPENDED ACCORDING TO THEIR RECORDS ON NOVEMBER 19TH.
UM, 2020 AT 12:00 AM IS WHAT THEY HAVE FOR THE RECORDS, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN JUST FOUR HOURS AFTER THE INCIDENT OCCURRED, WHICH WOULD SEEM UNUSUAL.
HOWEVER, THE POLICE REPORT CONTAINED A SEARCH WARRANT THAT WAS SIGNED BY A JUDGE ON NOVEMBER 24TH, 2020, SO FIVE DAYS LATER, AND ALSO CAN CONTAINED FOLLOW UP INFORMATION, UM, DATED NOVEMBER 27TH, 2020, SO APPROXIMATELY EIGHT DAYS LATER.
SO CLEARLY THE, IT WASN'T SUSPENDED WITHIN FOUR HOURS AND IT ALSO SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE CASE WAS ASSIGNED TO A DE DETECTIVE NER.
IT WAS NOT ASSIGNED TO DETECTIVE HATCH AND NONE OF THE WORK, UM, COMPLETED ON THE CASE WAS COMPLETED BY, UM, DETECTIVE HATCH.
THEREFORE CAME UP WITH THE FINDING OF THIS ALLEGATION AS UNFOUNDED REFERENCE INCIDENT THAT OCCURRED ON FEBRUARY 11TH, 2020, UH, WHERE SHE COMPLAINED ABOUT NOT BEING NOTIFIED OF THE RE RELEASE OF HER VEHICLE.
UM, RECORDS DOES SHOW THAT THE VEHICLE WAS PLACED ON A VICE HOLD, UM, AND IT SHOWED THAT, UM, A SUBJECT BY THE NAME OF, UH, CROWN OVER WAS ARRESTED IN THAT VEHICLE AS THE DRIVER.
UM, AND HE WAS ARRESTED FOR WARRANTS.
THE PASSENGER WAS WILLIAMS, OUR COMPLAINANT, AND SHE WAS ARRESTED ON A CHARGE OF MANIFESTING FOR PROSTITUTION.
UM, THE IMPOUND PAPERWORK SHOWED THAT WILLIAMS WAS NOTIFIED OF THE VEHICLE'S AVAILABILITY FOR RELEASE.
A CERTIFIED LETTER WAS SENT TO HER ADDRESS ON RECORD, BUT THERE IS NO RESPONSE FROM WILLIAMS. AND DURING AN INTERVIEW OF WILLIAMS, SHE HAD STATED THAT SHE WAS HOMELESS AT THE TIME.
UM, THE VEHICLE WAS RELEASED ON NOVEMBER 29TH, 2022 TO THE LIEN HOLDER AS A REPOSSESSION.
SO THEREFORE, THE FINDING ON THIS ALLEGATION IS UNFOUNDED.
UH, HER SECOND COMPLAINT ON THAT INCIDENT WAS THAT THE PROPERTY TAKEN FROM HER VEHICLE DURING THAT ARREST WAS NEVER, UH, RETURNED TO HER.
THE POLICE REPORT SHOWED THAT THAT, UM, TORIAN CROWN OVER WAS ARRESTED AND HE WAS THE DRIVER.
AND THE PROPERTY TAKEN DURING THAT ARREST WAS AN APPLE IPHONE, A LAPTOP, CASH, A HANDGUN, AND AMMUNITION.
ALL THE ABOVE PROPERTY IS LISTED AS BELONGING TO CROWN OVER IN THE POLICE REPORT.
WILLIAM, WHO WAS ALSO ARRESTED IN HER OWN VEHICLE AS THE PASSENGER, UM, SHOWED NO PROPERTY AS BEING, UM, TAKEN FROM HER.
I CONTACTED THE PROPERTY ROOM AND THEY ADVISED THEY STILL HAVE ALL THAT
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PROPERTY THAT WAS TAKEN, YOU KNOW, THE APPLE IPHONE, THE LAPTOP, THE CASH AND EVERYTHING.UM, SO THAT PROPERTY'S STILL THERE, SO IT'S NOT MISSING.
UM, WILLIAMS DID SAY THAT THAT'S THE PROPERTY THAT BELONGS TO HER.
IT DOESN'T BELONG TO CROWN OVER.
AND THE PROPERTY ROOM ADVISED IF SHE WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE, UM, INFORMATION THAT IT, YOU KNOW, PROOF THAT IT BELONGS TO HER, THEY'D BE WILLING TO RELEASE IT TO HER.
SO BASED ON THAT INFORMATION, UH, I FIND THE FINDING FOR THIS ALLEGATION IS UNFOUNDED.
AND THE FINAL, UM, COMPLAINT WAS REFERENCED THE INCIDENT ON DECEMBER 20TH, 22 WHEN WILLIAMS WAS ARRESTED AND SHE ADVISED HER RIGHTS WERE NEVER, UM, READ TO HER BY DETECTIVE HATCH.
UM, THE POLICE REPORT SHOWED THAT WILLIAMS WAS ARRESTED FOR MANIFESTING FOR PROSTITUTION, WHICH IS LISTED AS DALLAS CITY CODE 31 27.
UM, DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT GENERAL ORDER 3 1 3 0.10 EXPLAINS WHEN BRAND RIGHTS ARE TO BE GIVEN AND THE POLICY HAS A LIST OF EXCEPTIONS AND ONE EXCEPTION IS ORDINARY CITY ORDINANCE VIOLATIONS, AND ANOTHER EXCEPTION IS CLASS C MISDEMEANORS.
THE PENALTY FOR MANIFESTING FOR PROSTITUTION AS A FINE NOT TO EXCEED $500, WHICH WOULD CLASSIFY IT AS A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR.
THEREFORE, DETECTIVE HATCH WAS NOT REQUIRED TO ADVISE WILLIAMS OF HER MIRANDA RIGHTS THE NIGHT SHE WAS ARRESTED.
AND FURTHERMORE, WILLIAMS DID NOT PROVIDE A STATEMENT TO DETECTIVE HATCH ON THAT NIGHT.
UH, A REVIEW OF THE, UH, BODY WORN CAMERA THAT CAPTURED THIS INTERVIEW, IT DOES SHOW THAT DETECTIVE HATCH TELL WILLIAMS QUOTE, BECAUSE NOW SINCE I CAN'T GET WHAT I NEED, I'M GONNA TAKE YOUR PHONE AND I'M SEIZING IT FOR EVIDENCE.
HOWEVER, DETECTIVE HATCH DID NOT ASK ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF WILLIAMS AFTER MAKING THAT STATEMENT, AND HE ENDED UP NOT TAKING HER PHONE AS EVIDENCE.
THEREFORE, THE FINDING ON THIS ALLEGATION IS EXONERATED.
SO IN CONCLUSION, THE OCPO FOUND NO VIOLATIONS OF DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES OR PROCEDURES DURING THIS INVESTIGATION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, INVESTIGATOR.
I KNOW THIS IS AN INCIDENT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST COMPLAINT OCCURRED IN 2020, CORRECT? FIVE YEARS AGO.
UH, GIVE US A GLIMPSE INTO YOUR DAY-TO-DAY LIFE.
HOW DID YOU, HOW DO YOU CONDUCT AN, IN AN INVESTIGATION LIKE THIS? WHAT DO YOU DO? WHAT'S YOUR PROCESS? HOW DO YOU FIND OUT ALL THIS INFORMATION? OH, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WHEN A CASE IS OLD, IT JUST MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT.
SO YOU JUST HAVE TO WORK THAT MUCH HARDER TRYING TO GATHER INFORMATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, POLICE REPORTS ARE STILL AVAILABLE.
LIKE I SAID, WE GOT LUCKY CONTACTING PROPERTY ROOM AND FINDING OUT THAT THE PROPERTY WAS ACTUALLY STILL THERE AND HADN'T BEEN DESTROYED OR SOMETHING.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT THE MAIN PROBLEM YOU HAVE IS WHEN YOU INTERVIEW WITNESSES, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T RECALL STUFF AS, AS TIME GOES ON.
AND EVEN OUR COMPLAINANT WILLIAMS, YOU KNOW, SHE COULDN'T RECALL THE PROPERTY THAT WAS TAKEN DURING THAT FIRST INCIDENT BACK IN 2020.
UM, SO THAT'S REALLY THE ISSUES YOU END UP HAVING ON, ON A OLD CASE LIKE THAT.
AND, UH, EVEN FIVE YEARS LATER, DID YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE BODY, UH, WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE? YES.
SO HOW LONG, HOW LONG DO THESE, HOW LONG, AND THIS MAY BE FOR YOU, UH, MAJOR SALAS, HOW LONG DO, DOES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT KEEP THE FOOTAGE FROM THE BODY-WORN CAMERA? OH, I WAS THINKING THAT IT WAS LESS THAN THAT, BUT YOU PROVED ME WRONG.
SO LITERALLY IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CASE IS STILL TECHNICALLY OPEN.
I MEAN, IT'S NEVER BEEN SOLVED.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A REASON WHY BODY-WORN CAMERAS IS STILL THERE TWO YEARS.
RIGHT? I WANNA SAY IT'S TWO YEARS.
IF, IF THERE'S NO CRIMINAL OFFENSE BEING LOOKED AT, IS THAT CORRECT, THEN IT WOULD BE INDEFINITE.
SO WE HAVE THE, THE REPORT FROM THE OCPO INVESTIGATOR, UH, AND JUST LIKE THE LAST TIME WE'LL VOTE ON WHETHER WE WANT TO AGREE AS A BOARD ON THESE FINDINGS.
UH, BUT BEFORE, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION BEFORE WE, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MR. FRIEDMAN, UH, MR. HUFF, MR. HUFF, UH, WHO DOES DETECTIVE HATCH WORK FOR? UH, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND WHY DOES HE SAY ON PAGE SIX OF THE REPORT? I WORK FOR HOMELAND SECURITY INVESTIGATIONS AND I'M THE FEDS.
I BELIEVE HE'S ASSIGNED TO A TASK FORCE AT THE TIME.
SO DOES HE WORK FOR HOMELAND SECURITY INVESTIGATIONS, WHICH IS A PART OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, OR DOES HE WORK FOR DPD? HE'S A DALLAS POLICE OFFICER.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT? HOW, IF HE WORKED FOR DPD, WHY WOULD HE INTRODUCE HIMSELF WITH HOMELAND SECURITY? I CAN TELL FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WHEN YOU'RE ON A TASK FORCE, SOMETIMES
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YOU'RE CROSS SWORN AS A FEDERAL OFFICER.AND SO HE COULD HAVE BEEN USING THAT.
HE'S ASSIGNED TO A SPECIAL TASK FORCE FOR, SO HE HAS, I GUESS THE CREDENTIALS WOULD BE A TFO.
I, MY, MY CONCERN THERE IS WE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HEARD THE CHIEF TALK ABOUT MINIMAL COLLABORATION WITH DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY AND ICE.
UM, AND I, I ASSUME HOMELAND SECURITY INVESTIGATIONS, WHICH IS CLOSELY LINKED TO, TO ICE AND D AS AS A PART OF DHS.
AND HE SAYS HE IS WORKING FOR HSI AND HE IS THE FEDS.
SO THAT JUST STRUCK ME AS, UH, A LITTLE CONCERNING.
BUT IF, IF YOU GUYS SAY THAT'S NORMAL, THEN HE WORKS AS A TFO OVER HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, FOR CLARIFICATION, THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION.
WE HAVE ONE MORE, UH, BOARD MEMBER MAPLES.
UH, SO ALL THAT PROPERTY IS STILL BEING HOUSED AT THE COUNTY.
ALL THAT PROPERTY THAT WAS CLAIMED WAS MISSING IS STILL SITTING IN THE PROPERTY ROOM HERE? CORRECT.
HOW LONG WILL IT SIT THERE UNTIL, I MEAN, IF, IF SOMEONE SAYING THEY GOT MY, MY STUFF WAS STOLEN AND THEY SAY YOUR STUFF IS HERE TO BE PICKED UP.
I, I DON'T, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
UM, I KNOW IN THAT INCIDENT IN 2022 WHERE IT WAS THE IPHONE AND STUFF TAKEN FROM HER CAR, IT WAS ALL ATTRIBUTED TO THE DRIVER, NOT HER.
SO SHE WAS NEVER CONTACTED TO PICK IT UP BECAUSE SHE'S NOT BEING LISTED AS THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY.
BUT, BUT THE QUESTION IS, IF I CAN, THE QUESTION IS, HOW LONG IS PROPERTY HELD ONTO IN DPT AFTER IT'S BEEN SEIZED OR IF IT'S BEEN USED AS EVIDENCE OR WHATEVER? HOW LONG DO YOU KEEP IT? IF IT'S EVIDENCE, IT'S GONNA BE KEPT THERE UNTIL THE PLACE IS THE OFFENSE IS SOLVED.
BUT IF THE OFFENSE IS NO OFFENSE OR IF IT'S JUST STUFF THAT HAS BEEN SEIZED, HOW LONG DO YOU KEEP IT? I HE SAID TWO YEARS.
OH, THE BODY-WORN CAMERA IS TWO YEARS.
BUT THE PROPERTY, I MEAN, IT CAN'T BE KEPT FOREVER.
THE OWNER USUALLY GETS NOTIFIED AND SAY, I GO THERE AND I CLAIM THIS IS MY PROPERTY.
I HAVE TO SHOW SOME TYPE OF RECEIPT THAT I'M LITERALLY THE LEGITIMATE OWNER, OTHERWISE IT WILL NOT BE RELEASED.
LET'S ASSUME FOR THE PURPOSES OF ARGUMENT, SORRY,
UM, LET'S ASSUME THAT, UM, THE OWNER HAS, UM, BEEN, BEEN ADVISED THAT THE PROPERTY IS THERE ON JANUARY 1ST, 2025.
UM, HOW LONG IS THAT PROPERTY GONNA STAY AFTER THE OWNER HAS BEEN ADVISED THAT IT'S THERE AND HAS NOT COME TO CLAIM IT? JUDGE? UH, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT, BUT I'LL GET YOU THAT ANSWER NEXT TIME.
'CAUSE I WILL TALK TO THE PROPERTY ROOM AND ASK LEE I'D BE MOST APPRECIATIVE.
I THINK IT'S INTERESTING TO FIND THAT OUT.
ALRIGHT, JUST ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO YOU SAID THAT A PERSON WOULD HAVE TO SHOW UP AND VERIFY THAT THEY'RE THE OWNER.
WOULD A POLICE REPORT STATING THAT IT WAS TAKEN FROM THEM, GIVE THEM THAT, THAT ANO THAT CAUSE TO SHOW THAT THIS IS THEIR PROPERTY? LIKE IF, IF IT'S IN THE REPORT THAT THIS WAS TAKEN FROM THE DRIVER FROM ME SURE.
COULD A, COULD THE DRIVER THEN SHOW UP AND SAY, HEY, I DON'T HAVE ANY RECEIPTS, BUT HERE'S YOUR REPORT THAT SAYS YOU TOOK IT FROM ME.
WOULD THAT SUFFICE? THAT SHOULD SUFFICE.
'CAUSE NOW YOU LINK THAT PERSON WITH THE OFFENSE OR WHEN HE WAS CEASED.
IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, CAN I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO EITHER APPROVE? ACTUALLY IT'LL BE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINDINGS OF THE OCPO OFFICE.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT.
UH, BEFORE WE VOTE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UH, I DIDN'T SEE YOU BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS.
I I JUST FEEL LIKE IT WAS KIND OF, IT'S PROBLEMATIC TO ME AND I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN IN THIS SITUATION BEFORE WHERE, AND
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MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING.I READ THIS, UM, A FEW DAYS AGO.
I'M READING IT NOW, IS HOW HE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE HE CHARGED HER FOR, I MEAN, ARRESTED HER FOR MANIFEST PROSTITUTION IN THE FIRST PLACE.
LIKE SHE WAS SAYING, IT'S COERCION, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? BUT IT'S LIKE HE JUST SAID, NAH, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING OUT HERE.
LOOK HOW YOU DRESSED AND WHATEVER.
I'M GOING TO ARREST YOU FOR IT.
UM, WHAT I, I GUESS TO ID, OR MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE IS WHAT THOSE POLICIES LOOK LIKE.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN JUST, IF YOU CAN JUST LOOK A CERTAIN WAY AND BE WALKING DOWN HARRY HINES
LIKE, I DON'T WANT AN OFFICER TO BE ABLE TO CATCH ME IN A CERTAIN AREA DRESSED A CERTAIN WAY WHERE SOMETHING HAPPENS AND JUST SAY, OH, NAH, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU FIT THE DESCRIPTION.
I KNOW WHAT, I KNOW WHAT'S UP.
I'M GONNA ARREST YOU FOR THAT.
AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE SHE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ISSUE OF THE PROPERTY AND ALL OF THAT, MAYBE EVEN THE COMPLAINT MAY HAVE NEVER HAPPENED IF SHE WASN'T ARRESTED FOR THAT.
I CAN SAY I DID NOT LOOK INTO THE ARREST THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE COMPLAINT.
I DON'T MEAN TO JUST KEEP BEATING A DEAD HORSE, BUT IN THE REPORT, DID THE OFFICER NOT ASK HER, WHAT ARE YOU DOING OUT HERE? AND SHE SAID, I'M, I'M HOEING.
OH, THEY IMPLIED THERE WAS HOEING.
SHE WAS OUT THERE HOEING, BUT IN THE END THEY COULD NEVER, UH, HUFF YOU.
YOU COULDN'T VERIFY IF, IF, IF SHE SAID THAT IT WASN'T IN THE BWC FOOTAGE OF HER SAYING IT.
SO THE POLICE REPORT STATED THAT SHE HAD SAID SHE WAS OUT HOEING AND SHE DENIED THAT.
I THINK IT IS WORTHY LOOKING INTO YOU THOUGH.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S A GOOD POINT ABOUT THAT.
I, THE WHOLE THING FEELS, FEELS KIND OF SKETCHY TO ME, BUT I ALSO DON'T FEEL LIKE I HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION OR EVIDENCE TO REFUTE WHAT OUR TEAM HAS CONCLUDED, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.
SO I'M NOT NECESSARILY REFUTING, BUT I'M JUST, MAYBE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WHAT THE POLICIES AROUND WHAT MANIFEST IN PROSTITUTION, HOW YOU CAN BE ARRESTED FOR THAT.
LIKE, CAN WE GET SOME DOCUMENTATION ON THAT OR CAN WE REVIEW THAT NEXT MEETING? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE CURRENTLY THERE HAS TO BE CERTAIN LOCATIONS DEEMED AS PROSTITUTION AREAS AND THAT PERSON HAS TO BE IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA AND HE OR SHE STILL HAS TO DO CERTAIN THINGS THAT IS THE SOLICITATION OF MANIFESTATION.
SO ALL THOSE THINGS HAS TO BE CHECKED BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY DO THAT.
BUT SHE WAS IN THE CAR WITH INJURIES.
DID THEY SEE HER DOING ACTIVITIES THAT PUT HER IN, IN REFERENCE TO THE CAR WHERE SHE WAS SHOT? YES.
UM, THEY HAD A STATEMENT FROM THE WITNESS, A WITNESS, UM, WHO HAD AN OPEN LINE WITH HER AND HE WAS, I GUESS YOU'D MOST COMMONLY CALL HIM THE PIMP.
HE HAD AN OPEN LINE WITH HER TO MAKE SURE NOTHING BAD WAS HAPPENING.
SO HE HEARD EVERYTHING GO BAD AND HE RUSHED THE SCENE AND ACTUALLY FIRED SHOTS AT THE SUSPECT WHO WAS LEAVING.
AND HE ENDED UP GETTING ARRESTED HIMSELF.
UM, BUT HE'S THE ONE WHO STATED THAT YEAH, SHE WAS PROSTITUTING AT THE TIME.
AND BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS, UH, I THINK AFTER THIS MEETING TOO, THE, THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS SOME UPDATES THAT, THAT HE, UH, CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT.
SO HE'LL, HE'LL ADDRESS YOU ON.
AND MR. HIGGINS, UM, LET ME TELL YOU THAT THERE'S BEEN ISSUES WITH THE MANIFESTATION FOR THE PURPOSES OF PROSTITUTION FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
UH, EVEN BACK WHEN I WAS A JUDGE, UH, 27 YEARS AGO, WE HAD ISSUES WITH THE MANIFESTATION ORDINANCE.
I BELIEVE IT WAS CHANGED MAYBE TWICE, BUT NEVER REALLY DONE WELL.
SO I UNDERSTAND, AND, AND ALL OF US WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS UNDERSTAND THE, THE TREPIDATION.
ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS EITHER SAY IT OR ACT LIKE IT OR THAT'S WHAT WE USED TO CALL IT, ACTING LIKE YOU'RE A PROSTITUTE.
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NOW THAT THAT ORDINANCE, THAT ORDINANCE IS NOT BEING ENFORCED RIGHT NOW.THAT MANIFESTATION ORDINANCE IS NOT BEING ENFORCED.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM FOR SO LONG.
WHAT'D YOU SAY, DIRECTOR? YEAH.
WASN'T THERE A UH, VIDEO ON THIS THOUGH AS WELL? THE BODY-WORN? WASN'T THERE A VIDEO ON THIS ONE VIDEO? THERE'S BODY-WORN CAMERA AND STUFF.
SHE JUST KEEPS, SHE DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT BEING A PROSTITUTE.
SHE JUST SAYS, GIVE ME MY BOOK ME AND LET ME GO SO I CAN GET BACK TO WHAT I WAS DOING.
MADAM, WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, IT'S BEEN SECONDED.
UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE, UH, TAKE THIS TO A VOTE TO APPROVE THE, UH, THE FINDINGS OF THE OCP OFFICE.
SO WE'LL GO, UH, WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL, VOTE AGAIN.
AND IF YOU AGREE, UH, WITH THE FINDINGS OF THE OFFICE, UH, YAY.
AND THE MAJORITY, UH, WILL CARRY, UH, WE'LL GO DISTRICT BY DISTRICT.
WE'LL NOW MOVE, UH, TO CONSIDERATION OF INDEPENDENT REVIEW REQUEST AND, UH, THIS PRESENTATION, THE OFFICE HAS NOT CONDUCTED AN INVESTIGATION YET.
SO VERY BARE BONES, VERY HIGHER LEVEL.
AND I WILL LISTEN TO INVESTIGATOR HUFF, AND WE AS A BOARD WILL VOTE ON WHETHER WE WANT HIM TO GO DEEPER INTO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR, UH, CASE.
AND IF WE VOTE YES, THEN A FEW MEETINGS IN THE FUTURE, WE'LL HAVE A DETAILED REPORT LIKE WE JUST EXPERIENCED.
SO, UM, INVESTIGATOR HUFF WANNA GIVE YOU THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW, UH, TO GIVE, UM, ITEM ONE V, SORRY, 1 5, 1 5.
YOU KNOW WHICH NUMBER THAT IS.
CAN'T I CAN'T READ AS
YES, THIS IS THE, UH, NORA RES COMPLAINT, UH, CASE NUMBER DR 2 0 2 5 DASH 0 83.
ON JULY 11TH, 2025, NORA RES SUBMITTED A COMPLAINT, UH, REGARDING AN ASSAULT THAT HE REPORTED TO THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
HE ADVISED THAT DETECTIVE MICHAEL BOWIE DID NOT PROPERLY INVESTIGATE.
UH, RA'S FURTHER ALLEGED THAT DETECTIVE BOWIE REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH HIS REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION REQUEST, WHICH VIOLATED HIS RIGHTS UNDER THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT.
RAS ALSO ALLEGED THAT WHEN HE REPORTED THE ASSAULT, OFFICER CORTINA AND SERGEANT BARRETT THREATENED TO ARREST HIM.
WHEN HE ASKED FOR THEIR IDENTIFICATION, JOHN'S CLAIMED THE FABRICATED CLAIMS OF INTOXICATION FALSELY ACCUSED HIM OF INITIATING THE ASSAULT AND REFUSED TO HONOR HIS ACCOMMODATION REQUESTS.
UH, THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION REFERRED THIS TO, UM, THE OFFICER'S DIVISION FOR INVESTIGATION.
THIS IS COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS A DIVISION REFERRAL.
LIEUTENANT DHA COMPLETED THE DIVISION REFERRAL.
HOWEVER, THE DIVISION REFERRAL ONLY COVERED THE ALLEGATION THAT OFFICER CORINA AND SERGEANT BARRETT THREATENED TO ARREST JOHN DRE WHEN HE ASKED FOR IDENTIFICATION.
UH, LIEUTENANT DONALE REVIEWED THE BODY-WORN CAMERA AND DETERMINED THAT THE, THAT ALLEGATION DID NOT OCCUR, AND HE HAD A FINDING OF UNFOUNDED.
UM, UH, JRE THEN SUBMITTED THE REQUEST TO OUR OFFICE TO LOOK INTO IT FURTHER FOR INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, AND HE CITED GROSS NEGLIGENCE BY LIEUTENANT DALHOUSIE, DETECTIVE EY, SERGEANT BARRETT AND OFFICER CORTINA IN THE MISHANDLING OF HIS ASSAULT CASE.
UM, I REVIEWED THE POLICE REPORT AND IN THAT RE ALLEGED, HE WAS IN A PIZZA ESTABLISHMENT WHEN AN UNKNOWN MALE BEGAN GRABBING SOME OF
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HIS FRIENDS, RA STEPPED IN AND THE UNKNOWN MALE SLAPPED HIM.I REVIEWED THE BODY-WORN CAMERA, AND IT DOES SHOW THAT, UM, UH, RA'S REQUESTED A CARD FROM OFFICER CORTINA AND WHO ADVISED THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE A CARD, BUT HIS INFORMATION WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE REPORT.
RAS THEN STATED THAT HE'LL TAKE A PICTURE OF THE OFFICER, BUT THE OFFICER TOLD HIM THAT HE IS NOT GONNA TAKE A PICTURE, AND, AND THAT TIME THE OFFICER PROCEEDED TO TELL JARE HIS NAME AND BADGE NUMBER.
UM, THEN OFFICER COR ASKED JARE IF HE HAS BEEN DRINKING TO WHICH JARE REPLIED THAT HE HAD NOT, AND OFFICER CORINA REPEATS HIS NAME AND BADGE NUMBER FOUR.
OFFICER CORINA REPEATS HIS NAME AND BADGE NUMBER FOR JARE.
UM, AT THIS TIME, THE INFORMATION TAKING IS, HAS PRETTY MUCH BEEN COMPLETED FOR THE REPORT, AND SERGEANT BARRIS BARRETT ADVISES JARE AND FRIENDS WHILE THEY'RE STANDING IN THE STREET THAT THEY NEED TO LEAVE.
AND IF THEY DON'T GO, HE'LL TAKE THEM TO JAIL, JARE AND THE FRIENDS THEN LEAVE THE AREA IN REFERENCE TO THE INVESTIGATION BY DETECTIVE BOWIE.
UM, A REVIEW OF THE FOLLOW-UP ON THIS CASE SHOWED THAT DETECTIVE BOWIE CONDUCTED SEVERAL INTERVIEWS, UM, OF POTENTIAL WITNESSES.
UH, DETECTIVE EY CORRESPONDED WITH RES VIA EMAIL SEVERAL TIMES, AND IN ONE EMAIL, DETECTIVE BOWIE EXPLAINS THAT HE HAS BEEN UNABLE TO IDENTIFY THE SUSPECT IN THE ASSAULT CASE.
AND DETECTIVE ALSO EXPLAINED TO JOHNS THAT HE LEARNED FROM INTERVIEWS THAT HE MEANING JAUNDICE STARTED THE AGGRESSION BY FIRST PUSHING THE SUSPECT BEFORE HE WAS SLAPPED.
IN REFERENCE TO THE A DA COMPLIANCE COMPLAINT, A DA COMPLIANCE MANAGER, GARY COPELAND FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS, REVIEWED THE A DA COMPLIANCE COMPLAINT AND FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF AN A DA VIOLATION.
UM, SO OUR OFFICE, UM, PRELIMINARY REVIEW, UH, REVEALED THAT IT APPEARED THAT SERGEANT BARRETT DID NOT HAVE HIS BODY-WORN CAMERA ACTIVATED DURING THIS INCIDENT.
UM, SERGEANT BARRETT JUST HAD A VERY QUICK INTERACTION WITH HIM WHEN HE EXPLAINED THAT THEY NEEDED TO LEAVE OR THEY'D BE ARRESTED.
UH, THERE'S NO BODY-WORN CAMERA FOR HIM FOR THAT, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE SAW NO VIOLATIONS OF A DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S POLICIES.
UH, SO THE COMPLAINT ESSENTIALLY IS FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE.
AND THEN, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HE CLAIMED THAT HE WAS, UH, THREATENED WITH ARREST IF HE, SINCE HE ASKED FOR THEIR IDENTIFICATION, UM, AND THEN ALSO, UM, REFUSAL TO HONOR HIS ACCOMMODATION REQUEST.
UM, SO YEAH, THE BOARD HAS HEARD THE INITIAL REVIEW.
UM, WE WILL HEAR IN A MOMENT ENTERTAIN A MOTION, BUT BEFORE THAT, UH, ANY QUESTIONS OF CLARIFICATION? YES, MR. JACKSON? YES.
UM, WERE, WAS THERE ANY OTHER BODY-WORN CAMERAS FROM THE OTHER OFFICERS THERE, OR JUST THE SERGEANT DIDN'T HAVE HIS ON? WAS THERE ANY CAMERA FOOTAGE? RIGHT.
SO OFFICER CORTINA HAD HIS BODY-WORN CAMERA ON THE ENTIRE INCIDENT.
UM, AND IT SHOWS THE INTERACTION WITH THE SERGEANT AND, AND RES, BUT THE SERGEANT JUST DIDN'T HAVE HIS BODY WORN CAMERA ON DURING THAT INCIDENT.
UH, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE, UH, REQUIRED THAT THEY, WHEN THEY'RE DEALING WITH SOMEONE THAT THEY HAVE A BODY WOR ON.
HE HE SHOULD HAVE HAD IT ON, HE WAS MAKE AN INTERACTION WITH SOMEONE IN THE PUBLIC.
HE SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS BODY-WORN CAMERA ON.
HAS HE BEEN REPRIMANDED FOR IT OR NO, MR. MAPLES? YES.
I, I, I THINK THAT I, UH, CONCUR WITH, UH, MR. GRAM THERE.
UM, YEAH, HE, HIS, HIS BODY WARRANT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON.
I MEAN, IT'S THAT SERIOUS PIZZA, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
AGAIN, UM, COULD YOU TELL, UM, I COULDN'T TELL, UM, WHAT HIS DISABILITY MAY BE.
DO WE KNOW, UM, HE HAD A LIST OF HIS DISABILITIES THAT HE SAYS HE TOLD THE DETECTIVE AND THE DISABILITIES WOULD'VE COME FROM HIS INJURY FROM BEING SLAPPED.
SO DID HE HAVE A DISABILITY BEFORE THE INCIDENT, OR DID THE DISABILITY HAPPEN ONCE HE GOT SLAPPED? BECAUSE IF, IF THE DISABILITY HAS HAPPENED FROM BEING SLAPPED, HE GOT INJURED DURING THE ALTERCATION, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THAT'S NOT THE WAY THE A DA WORKS
YOU GOTTA HAVE A DISABILITY, A REAL DISABILITY
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BEFORE THE INCIDENT, NOT BECAUSE OF THE INCIDENT.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF CLARIFICATION TO THE POINT OF NOT WEARING BODY-WORN CAMERA? IT'S ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED, BUT THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION.
UM, I ASSUME THAT THAT WILL BE SOMETHING DISCUSSED WITH, UM, THE SERGEANT TO REMIND HIM THAT THAT IS POLICY, AND EVEN IF HE'S JUST STEPPING IN FOR A SECOND, HE NEEDS TO DO WHATEVER THE CLICK IS TO TURN IT ON.
SO DOES THAT HAPPEN? I MEAN, IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO HA HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, THEY ALREADY SENT IT DOWN TO DIVISION REFERRAL.
A LIEUTENANT LOOKED INTO THE COMPLAINT.
UH, THERE WAS NO COMPLAINT OF BODY-WORN CAMERA ISSUE.
AND APPARENTLY THE, IT APPEARS LIEUTENANT DID NOT DOCUMENT THAT HE NOTICED ANY KIND OF BODY-WORN CAMERA, UH, VIOLATION.
SO IT DOES NOT APPEAR THE SERGEANT WAS EVER NOTIFIED.
MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, MR. FRIEDMAN, UH, THE, LIKE, FOR THIS WHOLE THING, I, I, I'VE KIND OF JUST HUNG UP ON THE, THE BODY-WORN CAMERA THING.
I, IT, IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN A BIG DEAL IN THIS CASE.
MAY HAVE BEEN JUST A BIT OF NEGLIGENCE ON HIS PART.
UH, I DO, I WILL BE, UH, I'LL EITHER MOVE FOR AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OR WROTE FOR IT, UH, SIMPLY FOR THAT.
UH, I THINK THAT'S A HUGE DEAL WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IF OFFICERS ARE NOT ACTIVATING THEIR BODY-WORN CAMERA, UM, I TEND TO JUST ASSUME THAT THEY'RE EITHER VIOLATING POLICY OR BREAKING THE LAW IF THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR BODY-WORN CAMERA ON.
LIZ HAS BEEN GONE ON FOR YEARS.
EVERYBODY KNOWS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE IT ON.
UM, AND WHEN WE ARE PRESENTED WITH AN INSTANCE WHERE, WHERE AN OFFICER HAS AN INTERACTION THAT IS SOMEWHAT CONTROVERSIAL WITH AN INDIVIDUAL, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT OKAY THAT THIS HAPPENED WITHOUT BODY-WORN CAMERA, WITHOUT A BODY-WORN CAMERA ACTIVATED.
SO FOR THAT REASON, UM, I'LL, I'LL BE SUPPORTING AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
WAS THAT A MOTION YOU MADE, MR. FRIEDMAN? UH, I MOVE THAT WE LAUNCHED AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
UH, DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? DERRICK GRAM, UH, DISTRICT SIX.
UH, BEFORE WE MOVE TO A VOTE, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, MAY I CLARIFY SOMETHING? OH, YES.
UH, THE SERGEANT DID DOCUMENT ON THE REPORT, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY POLICY THAT HE DIDN'T TURN ON THE CAMERA.
SO THE ENTIRE INCIDENT WAS RECORDED BY THE OTHER OFFICER WHO WAS PRESENT.
SO HIS RATIONALE WAS THE OTHER OFFICER'S GOT HIS CAMERA ON.
SO I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE MINE ON.
SO DISTRICT SIX AGAIN, SO WHAT IS PROTOCOL? RIGHT? LIKE THAT WAS MY, THAT WOULD BE MY NEXT QUESTION.
IS, IS HE STILL GOING TO UNDER YOUR, UH, RULES, DOESN'T THE OFFICER HAVE TO HAVE THE BODY-WORN CAMERA? IS IT HOW MANY? DIRECT? MANY.
WE'RE, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ARGUING F FOR NECESSARILY A FIRING CAPITAL PUNISHMENT OR ANYTHING HERE.
BUT I, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO INVESTIGATE THIS ON OUR PART.
IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE BODY-WORN CAMERA, THEN WE RECOMMEND THAT SOME RETRAINING HAPPEN.
IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY MR. PEGRAM.
MR. JACKSON, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I GUESS MY QUESTION WILL BE, ARE WE DOING AN INDEPENDENT
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INVESTIGATION IN RELATION TO WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US, OR IS THIS SOMETHING NEW BASED ON YOU WANTING TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THE BODY WARRANTY?