>> GOOD MORNING. THE TIME IS 9:06 ON MONDAY, 
          [Quality of Life, Arts and Culture Committee on October 20, 2025.]
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OCTOBER 20 AND WE ARE CALLING TO ORDER THE QUALITY OF LIFE, ARTS, AND CULTURE COMMITTEE. 
          I AM ZERON GRACY, THE PROUD CHAIR OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE, ARTS, AND CULTURE COMMITTEE. 
          I THINK WE'VE SENT SOME MEMOS OUT ALREADY TO THIS COMMITTEE IN TERMS OF GETTING PRIORITIES LINED UP, SO WE'RE INTERESTED IN HEARING THAT I'VE HAD SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO MEET WITH THE PREVIOUS CHAIR. 
          MY COLLEAGUE HERE, MR. IDLEY, WHO'S PASSED THE TORCH WELL, AND I APPRECIATE IT SO WE COULD PICK UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF. 
          WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I WANT TO SAY GOOD MORNING, AND LET'S JUMP RIGHT INTO IT. 
          THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. DO I HAVE A MOTION? 
          >> TO MOVE. 
          >> SECOND. 
          >> MOTION HAS BEEN MADE PROPERLY SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? 
          >> [OVERLAPPING] AYE. 
          I'LL OPPOSE. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF BRIEFING ITEMS, ABOUT THREE BRIEFING ITEMS THIS MORNING THAT WE HAVE LINED UP. 
          I WANT TO JUST AGAIN GIVE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, ELENA THE OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE THESE ITEMS AND CALL UP OUR FIRST BRIEFING. 
          >> GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU, CHAIR. THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A BRIEFING ON THE LIBRARY BOND PROJECT, AND I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE MY COLLEAGUES HERE TO PRESENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          >> GOOD MORNING, DON ZEL, GIBSON CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. 
          WE HAVE TWO VIRTUAL PRESENTERS TODAY FROM STREETSENSE, WHO'S A SUBCONTRACTOR OF CBRE THAT'S BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK FOR THE CITY RELATIVE TO OUR REAL ESTATE PORTFOLIO. 
          TODAY, THEY'RE GOING TO BRIEF YOU ON AN EXCITING IDEA, SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT NEW AND UNIQUE TO THE CITY OF DALLAS. 
          WE'VE SEEN SUCH PROJECTS ELSEWHERE IN THE COUNTRY, BUT THIS, VERY LIKELY, DEPENDING ON COUNSEL FEEDBACK, WOULD BE OUR FIRST UNDERTAKING IN A PROJECT SUCH AS THIS. 
          I JUST WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO LARISSA AND JODI FROM STREETSENSE, THAT ARE GOING TO BE PRESENTING THE MATERIALS TODAY. 
          >> GOOD MORNING. CAN YOU HEAR ME? I WOULD ASSUME SO. 
          WE'RE ALSO JOINED BY PETER SANSON AT CBRE. GREAT. THANK YOU. 
          AT CBRE AND PETER, FEEL FREE TO JOIN IN AND JUMP IN. 
          WE CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          WE'RE THRILLED TO BE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THIS PROJECT. 
          I'M GOING TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE SCHEDULE, SO YOU UNDERSTAND YOUR ROLE IN THAT PROCESS, AND I'M REALLY OVER THE NEXT 3-4 MONTHS, WHERE YOUR ENGAGEMENT WILL BE REALLY CRITICAL. 
          THEN MY COLLEAGUE, JODI, WILL WALK YOU THROUGH SOME OF OUR FINDINGS AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL FOR BOTH THE NORTH OAK CLIFF SITE AND THE PARK FOREST BRANCH SITE. 
          WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          THIS SCHEDULE WAS DEVELOPED TO REALLY GIVE YOU A SENSE OF HOW THESE PROJECTS AND THE DEVELOPER SOLICITATION WILL FEED INTO THE MILESTONES FOR THE BOND ISSUANCES. 
          YOU CAN REALLY SEE WE'RE WORKING BACKWARDS FROM FOR TWO BONDS, ONE FOR PARK FOREST, THE OTHER FOR NORTH OAK CLIFF BRANCH. 
          OUR GOAL IS TO REALLY ALIGN OVER THESE NEXT 3-4 MONTHS. 
          YOU CAN SEE WE'VE COMPLETED IMMERSION AND DUE DILIGENCE, WHICH IS WHAT JODI WILL SHARE WITH YOU. 
          WE'RE AT THIS POINT IN TIME WHERE WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE BUSINESS CASE HERE. 
          WE REALLY NEED TO TEST SOME SCENARIOS OF THESE SITES. 
          WE'VE LOOKED AT A VARIETY OF MASSINGS, AND WE NEED TO DETERMINE HOW FAR WE CAN REALLY PUSH THE ENVELOPE ON MASSING AND HOW THAT INFLUENCES THE AMOUNT OF AFFORDABILITY WE CAN GET ON THESE SITES, AND THAT'S WORK THAT PETER WILL BE DOING OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. 
          THOSE BUDGET IMPACTS WILL GIVE YOU ALL SUFFICIENT INFORMATION TO SELECT DIRECTION. 
          HOW BIG THESE BUILDINGS, WHAT THE BULK IS GOING TO BE, WHAT THE LEVEL OF AFFORDABILITY WILL BE? CAN WE INCORPORATE AMENITIES? THOSE ARE ALL QUESTIONS WE WILL DETERMINE COLLECTIVELY. 
          THEN, DEFINING THESE PARAMETERS SO THAT WE CAN GET A REALLY CLEAR DEVELOPER SOLICITATION OUT THE DOOR AND FIND REALLY HIGH-QUALITY DEVELOPERS. 
          THOSE ARE REALLY THE KEY MILESTONES FOR THIS AT THIS TIME THAT I WANT TO SPEAK TO. 
          PETER, DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE? 
          >> HAPPY TO CONTRIBUTE. CAN YOU HEAR ME THERE? 
          >> WE CAN BARELY HEAR YOU, GOING TO SPEAK UP. 
          >> YOU'RE VERY QUIET. 
          >> IS THAT ANY BETTER? 
          >> YES. I'LL GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO THEM ON MIC. 
          GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING US. 
          YOU CAN HEAR IN LARISSA'S COMMENTARY THAT THERE'S SOME INFLECTION POINTS COMING UP. 
          BUT THE WHOLE THEME I JUST WANTED TO RECONNECT EVERYBODY TO IS THE ISSUE OF STEWARDSHIP. 
          WE DON'T PURSUE THIS TYPE OF COMPLICATED PROJECT UNLESS THERE IS 
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A VERY CLEAR ALIGNMENT BETWEEN MULTIPLE MISSIONS BY THE STAKEHOLDERS HERE. 
          WE ALL KNOW THAT BUILDING THE LIBRARIES ON THESE SITES IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE. 
          THEY WERE SELECTED FOR THAT REASON. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE CONFIRMED IN THE IMMERSION IN DUE DILIGENCE IS THAT THE SITES ARE COMPLETELY CLEAN AND RELIABLE, ENVIRONMENTALLY, GEOTECHNICALLY, SURVEY, UTILITIES-WISE. 
          THE SITES ARE AN EXCELLENT SHAPE TO PURSUE EITHER TYPE OF PROJECT, INTEGRATED PROJECT OR A STANDALONE LIBRARY. 
          THE QUESTION IS, AT THIS POINT, WHAT ARE THE TRADE-OFFS? HOW MANY UNITS OF HOUSING, WHETHER AFFORDABLE MARKET OR A COMBINATION THEREOF, CAN WE DELIVER WITHOUT COMPROMISING THE MISSION OF THE LIBRARIES? THEN OF COURSE, THE QUESTION ASSOCIATED WITH THAT IS, WHAT IS THE BUDGET IMPACT? THE REASON THIS PROJECT WAS PURSUED ORIGINALLY WAS THE THESIS, SO SOMETHING LIKE CAN THE UNITS OF HOUSING SOMEWHAT PAY FOR THE LIBRARY ON AN ONGOING BASIS, WHETHER THAT'S A CONTRIBUTION FROM THE INCOME STREAMS TOWARDS THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS, OR PROGRAM. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THIS. 
          WE'RE AT A GREAT SPOT IN OUR OVERALL PROJECT TIMELINE NOW THAT WE KNOW WHAT'S POSSIBLE AND NOW WE'RE TESTING THAT CASE FINANCIALLY. 
          I'LL STOP THERE, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT, AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL. 
          >> WE CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          >> JODI, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. 
          >> NO. 
          >> JODI'S TESTING. I'LL JUST KEEP GOING TO SER VERBOS TIME. 
          WE ALL KNOW WHERE THE SITE IS, BUT JUST A QUICK ORIENTATION. 
          IT'S NOT OVERLY LARGE, IT'S NOT SMALL EITHER. 
          THE LIBRARY PROGRAM WOULD FIT ON JUST A PORTION OF THE SITE. 
          BUT BY ZONING AND BY RIGHT, IF YOU ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN START TO SEE WHAT'S POSSIBLE ON THIS 1.5 ACRES. 
          THAT IS A GREAT SITE SIZE FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. BUT WE'RE SEEING A POSSIBILITY HERE OF 150 UNITS UP TO 277 UNITS ON A PROJECT SIZE. 
          NOW, THE INTERESTING THING IS THERE'S ADJACENT LAND NEXT DOOR AVAILABLE. 
          IF THE CITY WANTED TO PURSUE AN ASSEMBLAGE AND A LARGER PROJECT FOR AFFORDABILITY OR STEWARDSHIP REASONS. 
          WE'RE CONCURRENTLY EXPLORING THAT JUST BECAUSE IT'S VERY RARE TO BE ABLE TO ASSEMBLE INFILL PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT. 
          BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD EXPLORE IF IT WAS NET NEUTRAL ON THE COST FRONT. 
          I'M JUST ON THIS SLIDE. 
          WE CAN CONTINUE ON. THIS GOT TO THE TECHNICAL WORK THAT WE DID ON THE SITE THROUGH A SERIES OF SUBCONTRACTORS AND SPECIALISTS. 
          THE GEOTECH CAME OUT CLEAN, NO SUBSOIL CONDITIONS. 
          THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT IN OUR TYPE OF WORK TO CONFIRM WHAT IS TECHNICALLY POSSIBLE, NOT JUST THEORETICALLY POSSIBLE. 
          WE WOULDN'T WANT TO SPEND THE TIME AND ENERGY AND MONTHS EXPLORING THIS IF WE FOUND OUT THE SUBSOIL CONDITIONS WERE NOT SUITABLE FOR VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT THOSE ALL CAME BACK CLEAN AND STORMWATER TREATMENT. THAT'S NOT REQUIRED. 
          SAYS NO SPECIALIST OFF-SITE ISSUES THAT INHIBIT DEVELOPMENT. 
          JODI TESTING ON AUDIO HERE. [BACKGROUND] 
          >> OH, MY GOODNESS. 
          THANK YOU FOR STEPPING IN, PETER. 
          [OVERLAPPING] WE CAN KEEP GOING. 
          THIS PAGE IS A SUMMARY. 
          IN ADDITION TO THE TECHNICAL DUE DILIGENCE, WE DID A REVIEW OF THE EXISTING ZONING CONSTRAINTS, AND SO THIS JUST ILLUSTRATES THAT. 
          THAT WAS THE BASELINE FOR IT. 
          >> WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE ON THIS END WITH THE SOUND QUALITY. 
          >> I DON'T KNOW, I TRIED MY PHONE AND THE COMPUTER. 
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          >> IT SOUNDS REALLY MUFFLED. 
          NOW WE CAN'T HEAR YOU AT ALL. 
          >> HOW ABOUT NOW? 
          >> THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT BETTER. LET'S SEE. KEEP GOING. 
          >> APOLOGIES. THIS JUST SUMMARIZES THE EXISTING ZONING CONSTRAINTS, WHICH ARE CONSIDERABLY DIFFERENT AT BOTH SIDES. 
          YOU CAN SEE ON THE NORTH OAK CLIFF SITE. 
          THERE'S NOT A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS IN TERMS OF LOCK COVERAGE AND BUILDING HEIGHT. 
          THAT JUST SETS THE BASELINE FOR WHAT YOU'LL SEE ON THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES. NEXT SLIDE. 
          THIS IS A STUDY OF A FIVE-STORY MIXED UNIT BUILDING WITH A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT LIBRARY. 
          THIS BUILDING MATCHES THE ADJACENT CONTEXT, SO THERE ARE SIMILAR HEIGHT BUILDINGS ON SITES NEARBY. 
          YOU CAN SEE HERE WE GET ABOUT 136 UNITS IN THIS SCENARIO WITH THE REQUIRED PARKING. 
          THE NEXT SIDE, PLEASE. 
          WE DID STUDY WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THE VACANT SITE WAS REQUIRED. 
          AS PETER MENTIONED, PUTTING THIS ADDITIONAL SITE IN PLAY PUTS THIS TYPE OF PROJECT, A MIXED-USE BUILDING LIKE THIS, IN A MUCH MORE COMPETITIVE REALM IN TERMS OF BEING FEASIBLE FOR A DEVELOPER TO PUT TOGETHER A PROJECT LIKE THIS, SO WE CAN GET MORE LIKE 200 UNITS, GIVE OR TAKE, IF WE LOOK AT THIS ADJACENT PROPERTY. [OVERLAPPING] 
          >> ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT YOU RUN INTO ON A SMALLER SCALE IS THAT YOU LOSE EFFICIENCIES AND YOU LOSE A COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT. 
          THERE'S JUST NOT AS MANY SKILLED COMPETITIVE DEVELOPERS WHO CAN EXECUTE A COMPLICATED PROJECT AT LESS THAN 100 UNITS. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE COGNIZANT OF AS WE PURSUE THESE STUDIES AND LOOK AT THE MERITS OF DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS AND SCENARIOS. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE FINANCIAL SOLUTIONS WE'RE ALSO EXPLORING IN TERMS OF JUST WHERE THAT FITS IN THE COMPETITIVE REALM FOR TAX CREDITS AND/OR OTHER CAPITAL STACKS THAT WOULD WORK FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS. 
          >> WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          AS PART OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, THIS SITE, THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE PUBLIC AMENITY SPACES THAT THE NEIGHBORS AND COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 
          WE DID INCLUDE THIS CASE STUDY OF A PROJECT THAT WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH, THAT'S A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP THAT USES OUTDOOR ROOFTOP SPACE AS PUBLIC AMENITY SPACE, AS A WAY TO ILLUSTRATE ONE POTENTIAL AVENUE FOR INCLUDING AMENITY SPACE. 
          WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          [BACKGROUND] IS SOMEONE ASKING YOU A QUESTION? 
          >> NO. THERE'S SOME BACKGROUND SOMEWHERE. 
          >> THANKS. THIS SLIDE IS A CONCEPTUAL PROGRAM FOR THE LIBRARY. 
          THIS IS BASED ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND CONVERSATIONS WITH THE LIBRARY STAFF, AS WELL AS TOURS OF SOME OF THE EXISTING, NEWER LIBRARIES IN THE SYSTEM. 
          IT ILLUSTRATES ADJACENCIES AND RELATIVE SIZES OF SPACES. 
          IT'S CONCEPTUAL AND IT'S HERE TO ILLUSTRATE THE BASIC ASSUMPTIONS AND TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ALIGNED AS WE'RE STUDYING THE OVERALL SITE AND AS WE MOVE ON. NEXT SLIDE. 
          >> THE THOUGHT HERE IS, OF COURSE, IN A COMPETITIVE DESIGN PROCESS. 
          YOU HAVE TO GIVE A MINIMUM STANDARD AND A PROGRAM, OF COURSE, TO THE DESIGN TEAM SO THEY CAN INTEGRATE THE PROGRAMMING INTO POTENTIALLY THEIR HOUSING CONCEPT. 
          THIS IS THE BASELINE AND THE LIBRARY STAFF WAS KIND ENOUGH TO HELP US UNDERSTAND THE ADJACENCIES IN PROGRAMMING. 
          FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, IS A VERY SMALL PROGRAM INSIDE OF A MUCH LARGER SUPPLY SCENARIO, IF YOU THINK ABOUT A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL AND ONLY 17,000 AND CHANGE SQUARE FEET REQUIRED FOR LIBRARY COMMUNITY USES. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WOULD PROVIDE THEORETICALLY TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY SO THEY CAN DESIGN INSIDE OF THEIR OWN VISION. 
          >> NEXT. 
          WE WENT THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS FOR THE PARK FOREST BRANCH SITE. 
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NEXT SLIDE. AGAIN, JUST ILLUSTRATING OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROJECT LOCATION AND CONTEXT, A MUCH DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD SETTING, DIFFERENT CONSTRAINTS. 
          NEXT SLIDE. HERE, WE SUMMARIZE OUR UNDERSTANDING OF SOME OF THE CONSTRAINTS. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS AT PLAY HERE IT'S A MUCH LOWER-RISE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT DOES BACK UP TO THE BACKSIDE OF A COMMERCIAL STRIP, WHICH HAS SOME IMPLICATIONS FOR HOW YOU WOULD THINK ABOUT HOUSING AND PEOPLE LIVING ON A SITE LIKE THIS. 
          IT'S ALSO NEXT TO A VERY BUSY ROAD. 
          THERE'S SOME ADJACENCIES TO CONSIDER THERE. 
          >> ONE OF THE LOTS AS A PART OF THIS ASSEMBLAGE IS ALREADY DEDICATED PARKLAND THAT CAN'T BE DEVELOPED, THE LITTLE TRIANGLE TO THE SITE. 
          THERE'S LESS NEED TO INCLUDE EITHER A ROOFTOP AMENITY OR SOME INTEGRATED GREEN SPACE ON THE ACTUAL PROJECT SITE. 
          WITH LANDSCAPE DESIGN AND SOME IMPROVEMENTS AND CONNECTIVITY THERE, THAT WILL AUTOMATICALLY OR NATURALLY SERVE THE PUBLIC GREEN SPACE AREA. 
          >> YES. THANKS, THAT'S NUMBER 2 ON THIS PLAN. 
          NEXT. AGAIN, WITH THE TECHNICAL DUE DILIGENCE AND BACKGROUND REVIEW, NO SURPRISES, NOTHING PROHIBITIVE. 
          THERE IS AN EXISTING SUP ON THIS SITE FOR A LIBRARY. 
          THIS IS THE ONE THING THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE OAK CLIFF SITE IS THAT ANY PLAN FOR A LIBRARY THAT DEVIATES SIGNIFICANTLY FROM THE APPROVED SUP WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME AMENDMENT, WHETHER IT'S AN AMENDMENT TO THE SUP ITSELF OR A NEW ONE. 
          THERE'S SOME NEW ENTITLEMENT PROCESS THAT WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN AT THIS LOCATION. NEXT SLIDE. 
          THE ZONING SUMMARY HERE ILLUSTRATES BOTH THE BASE ZONE REQUIREMENTS AND THE SUP REQUIREMENTS THAT WE UNDERSTAND. 
          YOU'LL SEE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SETBACKS HERE. 
          BUT WE STUDIED THIS SITE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WAS GOING TO HAVE TO BE A REVISION TO THE SUP AND SO THE BASE ZONING REQUIREMENTS ARE THE DEFAULT IN THIS ILLUSTRATION AND IN OUR ASSUMPTIONS. NEXT SLIDE. 
          >> THIS FIRST SCENARIO THAT WE STUDIED IS FOR A STANDALONE LIBRARY AND A SMALLER MULTIFAMILY BUILDING NEXT DOOR. 
          HERE WE CAN GET ABOUT 57 UNITS RESPECTING THE BASE BONING CONSTRAINTS. NEXT SLIDE. 
          WE ALSO STUDIED AN INTEGRATED MIXED-USE MULTIFAMILY BUILDING, AND YOU'LL SEE THIS THING IS A RESPONSE TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE BECAUSE OF WHERE WE'RE LOCATED. 
          IN THIS CASE, WE CAN GET UP OVER 100 UNITS. 
          THE SLIDE FOLLOWING THIS IS OUR ORIGINAL STUDY FOR THIS SITE THAT DID NOT TAKE THE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE INTO ACCOUNT, AND THERE'S NOT A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE NUMBER OF UNITS, BUT IT DOES IMPACT THAT SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. 
          NEXT SLIDE. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE THERE BUT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          THIS IS THE SAME ILLUSTRATION FOR BASELINE CONSUMPTIONS FOR A CONCEPTUAL PROGRAM. 
          YOU CAN SEE THAT THE UNDERLYING STANDARD IS THE SAME, BUT THE SUPPLEMENTAL USE CONSIDERATIONS AND THE PRIMARY DEMOGRAPHICS OF THIS AREA ARE DIFFERENT. 
          NEXT SLIDE. THAT'S THE OVERVIEW OF THE TWO SITES. 
          I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO DEEP INTO THE PRECEDENT FINDING SUMMARY, BUT JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WE INCLUDED SOME BEST STANDARDS CASE STUDIES FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY FOR SIMILAR PROJECTS. 
          IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          YOU CAN SEE WE HIGHLIGHTED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT IS ALLOTTED TO THE LIBRARY SPACE, THE TOTAL BUILDING SIZE, AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS. 
          YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THESE PROJECTS INCLUDE AN ELEMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          SOME OF THEM ALSO INCLUDE SENIOR HOUSING OR MARKET-RATE DEPARTMENTS. 
          WE CAN JUST FLIP THROUGH THESE. 
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I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK THROUGH EACH OF THEM. 
          THERE'S DIFFERENT FORMS OF AMENITIES IN EACH OF THESE. 
          SOME OF THEM DOUBLE AS AMENITIES FOR THE RESIDENTS. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE PRIVATE ONLY TO THE RESIDENTS. 
          THERE ARE THINGS LIKE MAKER SPACES, INCLUDED YOUTH SPACES, JOB TRAINING. 
          ANY WAY YOU WANT TO MIX IT UP, THERE'S SOME GOOD EXAMPLES OUT THERE ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN DONE RECENTLY IN THE US. 
          >> I WANT TO INTERJECT A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          SOME OF THOSE EXAMPLES ARE GREAT TO UNDERSTAND FROM A INTEGRATION OF PROGRAMMING BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE IT IS POSSIBLE TO INTEGRATE A WIDE VARIETY OF PROGRAMS, RETAIL, CLIENT-FACING SPACE, HOUSING, MAKER SPACES. 
          THE DANGER, ALWAYS WHEN YOU'RE PLAYING DEVELOPER FROM THIS VANTAGE POINT, IS NOT KNOWING EXACTLY HOW EACH OF THOSE REQUESTS OR LEVERS IMPACT THE FEASIBILITY. 
          WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH THE TEAM IS AGREEING ON A SET OF PARAMETERS THAT FORM THE BASELINE, JUST TO TEST THE REASONABILITY AND THE FEASIBILITY OF THAT BASELINE. 
          FROM THERE, DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME OF THE FINANCIALLY, WE'LL KNOW HOW MUCH FLEXIBILITY OR INFLEXIBILITY WE HAVE. 
          ONE EXAMPLE WOULD BE, WHAT IS THE KEY THRESHOLD FOR AFFORDABILITY? ARE WE AT 80% AMI, 100%, 60%? THE MORE FLEXIBILITY WE HAVE TO OFFER AFFORDABILITY AND KNOW WE'RE STILL IN A FEASIBLE DEVELOPMENT, THE MORE WE CAN COME BACK TO STAKEHOLDERS AND SAY, THESE ARE YOUR CHOICES. 
          DO YOU WANT A MAKER SPACE? DO YOU WANT MORE GREEN SPACE, LESS GREEN SPACE? ARE WE OKAY PURSUING A HIGHER-DENSITY SUP TO ADD A FEW MORE UNITS? THOSE TYPE OF CHOICES WE DON'T HAVE FOR YOU YET, BUT THAT'S THE INTENT TO GET TO THAT POINT, WHERE WE CAN SAY, THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE, DON'T PURSUE THAT, THIS IS FEASIBLE. 
          HERE'S A SANDBOX THAT IS THE REASONABLE ONE THAT WE OUGHT TO LET THE DEVELOPERS COMPETE IN. 
          IN THAT COMPETITION, WHO KNOWS WHAT CHERRIES ON TOP OF THE CAKE WE MIGHT GET AS COMPETITION HAPPENS. 
          BUT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE BASELINE FINANCIAL ASSUMPTIONS RIGHT NOW IN THESE DESIGN CONTEXTS AND THE FEASIBILITY THEY'RE IN. 
          THEN WE'LL COME BACK WITH POTENTIALLY A MENU OF OPTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE OPTIONS. 
          I HOPE ALL THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          >> TO CLOSE, WE INCLUDED SOME BOTH HIGH-LEVEL AND MORE DETAILED KEY CONSIDERATIONS AND DECISIONS TO BE MADE MOVING FORWARD, JUST TO PUT A BUTTON IN THE IMMERSION PHASE. 
          I THINK LARISSA AND PETER HAVE SPOKEN REALLY WELL TO THOSE POINTS. 
          LARISSA, DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUALLY, OR I CAN'T HEAR YOU. 
          >> YOU'RE ON MUTE. 
          >> APOLOGIES. THE NEXT THREE MONTHS ARE REALLY ABOUT ITERATING A NUMBER OF THESE QUESTIONS, WHETHER IT'S RELATED TO DESIGN AND TESTING ELEMENTS OF THE DESIGN AND THE IMPACT ON THE FINANCIALS AT NORTH OAK CLIFF, OF COURSE, THE DEGREE TO WHICH WE'RE GOING TO THINK THROUGH WHETHER WE CAN INCORPORATE THE ADJACENT VACANT PARCEL. 
          I THINK THAT'S A BIG OPEN QUESTION, POTENTIALLY FOR THIS COMMITTEE TOO. 
          THEN SOME OF THE TRADE OFF, AS WE SAID, WITH AMENITIES, AND HOW THAT'S BOTH A DESIGN AND A BUDGETARY QUESTION. 
          THEN IF WE WERE TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PARK FOREST BRANCH. 
          TWO THINGS REALLY CAME UP FOR US, THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER THIS AS A SENIOR APARTMENT HOUSING IN PART BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT COMMUNITIES ARE PERHAPS LESS RESISTANT TO HOUSING FOR SENIORS, AND THEY RECOGNIZE THE NEED FOR SENIOR HOUSING, AND SO MIGHT BE MORE OPEN TO HEIGHT AND DENSITY THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY FEASIBLE SO, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS. 
          THEN THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL ZONING CONSULTATION THAT I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT AND ADD TO THIS CONVERSATION AS WE GO THROUGH DETERMINATION OF THE ANALYSIS IN THE NEXT PHASE. 
          >> I THINK THAT'S IT. 
          >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THIS IS ALL VERY EXCITING NEWS. 
          THIS IS WHAT I'M GOING TO DO. 
          OUT OF DEFERENCE TO MY COLLEAGUES. 
          I'M GOING TO START WITH DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM GAY DONNELL WILLIS. 
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THEN, IF THE REST OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE OKAY WITH IT, I'M GOING TO LET OUR GUEST, CHAIR WEST, JUMP IN AND ASK US QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE'LL START FROM MY RIGHT AND GO ALL THE WAY DOWN. 
          OH, YOU ARE? OH, PARDON ME. 
          WELL, THEN I'M GOING TO START WITH BOTH OF THEM. THANK YOU. 
          I'LL START WITH DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM DONNELL WILLIS. 
          >> THANK YOU. WELL, I'LL HAVE FROM A GLOBAL STANDPOINT WITH THIS COMMITTEE, AND HONESTLY, FOR THE COUNCIL AND FOR THE CITY. 
          I THINK THAT TAKING SOMETHING AS A STANDALONE LIBRARY AND INCORPORATING THE HOUSING THAT WE KNOW THAT WE NEED, AND BEING ABLE TO ADAPT IT TO WHAT MIGHT BE RIGHT FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT MIGHT BE RIGHT FOR THE CITY OVERALL, IS JUST SOMETHING THAT I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT. 
          I ALWAYS CHAMPION THE VICTORY PARK LIBRARY, BUT I'M SAD EVERY TIME I SEE IT JUST A LITTLE BIT THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE A HOUSING COMPONENT IN AN AREA THAT SO DESPERATELY COULD HAVE USED THAT, AND SO WE JUST DON'T WANT TO MISS THESE OPPORTUNITIES AGAIN. 
          I WOULD SAY THAT IN LOOKING AT THE PROJECT, AND AS WE GET INTO SPECIFIC DISCUSSIONS, THERE MAY BE SOME TWEAKS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE AT MORE OF THAT COUNCIL LEVEL. 
          BUT ANOTHER GREAT THING ABOUT THIS IS THAT IT ALREADY IS PART OF THE GREENING INITIATIVE. 
          WHEREAS THE DISTRICT ONE LIBRARY HAS TO INCORPORATE SOME ELEMENTS TO BRING THAT IN, THIS ONE IS UNIQUELY POSITIONED BECAUSE IT'S GOT AN ODD CORNER TO IT THAT IS PART OF THE GREENING INITIATIVE. 
          TO THE POINT THAT WAS MADE, WE ALREADY ARE ADDRESSING THAT. 
          THAT PARTS ALREADY DONE. 
          THERE ARE SOME ELEMENTS OF THE DESIGN I WOULD JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S REALLY UP AGAINST THE STREET, AND THE OPEN SPACE IS MORE INSIDE, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WELCOMING THAT APPEARS TO THE PUBLIC. 
          I REALLY WANT THIS TO INVITE THE PUBLIC IN AND TO REALLY BE EVEN MORE WELCOMING AS A LIBRARY AND A COMMUNITY SPACE. 
          I DO WANT TO ANALYZE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER INTO THE SENIOR HOUSING ASPECT. 
          I DON'T WANT TO TRADE DOWN OTHERS WHO MAY NEED HOUSING THERE, BUT I KNOW THERE'S SOME SENIOR HOUSING CLOSE BY THAT IS REALLY AGING, AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE DISPLACEMENT OF THOSE SENIORS, AND SO THIS COULD BE A NICE OFFSET FOR THAT. 
          ONE OTHER THING I WOULD MENTION TO COLLEAGUES IS THAT THIS LAND IS ALREADY TAX-EXEMPT, AND SO THIS COULD BE AN HFC OPPORTUNITY IF WE ARE STRUGGLING WITH FINDING A JV PARTNER ON DOING THIS KIND OF THING. 
          BUT I APPRECIATE THE EXAMPLES THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR CALLING OUT SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE DONE THIS AND APPARENTLY SUCCESSFULLY, BUT WANTED TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHETHER ANY OF THOSE EXAMPLES ARE DOING WHAT YOU SUGGESTED, WHICH IS HAVING THE HOUSING COMPONENT HELP FUND THE LIBRARY OPERATION, BECAUSE I THINK THAT REALLY WOULD LIGHT UP ALL OF OUR SCOREBOARDS IF WE COULD FIND A WAY TO HELP FUND OUR LIBRARY OPERATIONS BY SOMETHING ON THAT SITE HELPING GENERATE REVENUE TO SUPPORT THAT. 
          >> PETER AND TEM, YOU GUYS WANT TO ADDRESS THAT ONE? 
          >> YEAH, AND QUITE PLAINLY, WE DON'T HAVE VISIBILITY INTO THE REVENUE AND THE ECONOMICS OF EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS. 
          IT'S A LITTLE TRICKY TO ANSWER THAT WITH LIKE, OH, YEAH, THEY SPIT OFF $100,000 A YEAR, $200,000 A YEAR TO HELP PAY FOR THESE THINGS. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TESTING RIGHT NOW. 
          I WOULD SAY THE LARGER DYNAMIC, UNFORTUNATELY, IS THE CONSTRAINTS IN THE CAPITAL MARKETS RIGHT NOW FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE BASELINE AND THEN BRING BACK THOSE CHOICES FOR YOU. 
          I CAN SAY FROM A DEAL STRUCTURING STANDPOINT, IF THERE ARE PROFITS AND NET OPERATING INCOME THAT IS VERY EASY TO PROJECT AT A CERTAIN SCALE, THAT WILL GIVE US ALL THE LEVERAGE WE NEED TO NEGOTIATE THE SPLIT OF THAT REVENUE OR THE SPLIT OF THOSE PROFITS ON AN ONGOING BASIS. 
          THE IDEA RIGHT NOW IS JUST IDENTIFY THE RISKS AND THEN THE REWARD RATIO TO THOSE RISKS THAT YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE TAKE, AND THERE ARE A WHOLE SERIES OF STRUCTURING DECISIONS TO MAKE AFTER THAT. 
          BUT IT'S A LONG LIST YOUR QUESTION. 
          I JUST DON'T HAVE CLEAR ECONOMIC VISIBILITY INTO THOSE DEALS. 
          WE WILL LOOK INTO THAT MORE, WE DON'T HAVE IT AT THIS TIME. 
          >> WELL, AND I UNDERSTAND IT MAY NOT BE SPECIFIC TO THIS PROJECT, BUT I'M CURIOUS AS TO HOW IT'S WORKING FOR OTHERS JUST SO WE CAN BEGIN TO WRAP OUR HEADS AROUND THAT. 
          WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT KIND OF MODEL BEFORE. 
          THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS ABOUT YOUR FAMILIARITY WITH TEXAS SB 840, AND THE FACT THAT IN THIS INSTANCE, COLLEAGUES, THIS SITE IS WHERE THERE HAD BEEN MULTI-FAMILY THAT BURNED IN 2006. 
          WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS GOING BACK ONTO THIS SITE WITH A LIBRARY WITH ADDITIONAL MULTI-FAMILY. 
          IT BACKS UP TO A BIG RETAIL SHOPPING CENTER, AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET, OUR DUPLEXES, AND THEN THAT URBAN DESIGN MODEL, THEN IT GOES INTO SINGLE FAMILY SO IT'S A DESIGN ALREADY. 
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I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD OPPOSITION TO SOMETHING THAT WAS ALREADY THERE BEFORE, BUT I AM CURIOUS, AS I MEAN, THIS IS FOREST LANE AND MARSH. 
          THIS IS A BUSY INTERSECTION, HAS TREMENDOUS POTENTIAL, BUT WITH SB 840, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE HEIGHT COULD BE THERE, AND YOU MENTIONED RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE AND WHAT THE IMPLICATION COULD BE THERE. 
          MAYBE WE'RE ALL STILL TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT SINCE THIS IS NEW TO US, BUT DID YOU ALL CONSIDER WHAT THE IMPLICATION OF THAT BILL COULD BE WHEN YOU WERE CONSIDERING WHAT THIS POTENTIAL SITE COULD BE? 
          >> WE HAVE AND WE HAVEN'T. 
          THAT WAS JUST ADOPTED, AND A LOT OF THESE STUDIES WERE PERFORMED OVER THE SUMMER WHILE THAT WAS EVOLVING, SO THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ASTERIX AND ADD AN ADDENDUM LATER TO THIS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER QUITE YET. 
          BUT YOU'RE RIGHT WITH THAT LAW IN EFFECT, VERY CLEARLY, IF A DEVELOPER CONTROL THIS, THEY COULD DO A LOT OF THINGS BY RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT SINCE YOU ALL ARE IN THE OWNERSHIP POSITION, IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNCLEAR HOW YOU ALL AS OWNER AS THEN IMPACTED BY THAT. 
          IN ADDITION TO THE DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS YOU RAISED, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO POSE TO THE DEVELOPERS. 
          DEPENDING ON THE OWNERSHIP STRUCTURE, THINGS MAY OR MAY NOT APPLY TO DIFFERENT PARTIES. 
          THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE'D LIKE TO ASK IN THE QUALIFICATIONS PHASE OF A TWO-PART SOLICITATION, FOR EXAMPLE, TO GET A VERY GOOD FEEL FOR THE RISK-REWARD PROFILE THAT DEVELOPER IS GOING TO TAKE AND WHAT THEY THINK THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES WOULD BE, AND YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES WOULD BE AS THE OWNER IN DIFFERENT STRUCTURES. 
          IT'S AN EVOLVING ART AND SCIENCE ON THAT, ONE AND IT'S SOMETHING [INAUDIBLE] FIGURE OUT. 
          >> PETER, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. 
          ON THE DEVELOPER SOLICITATION, WE LIKELY WOULD BE WANTED TO BRING THAT BACK TO THIS BODY FOR REVIEW AND DISCUSSION INTO THOSE DETAILS AND SO ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE THAT INFORMS ABOUT REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES OR ANY DEVELOPMENT OPTIONS THAT WE WOULD BE PRESENTING TO THE DEVELOPER COMMUNITY, THIS COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW AND VET THAT ALONG WITH EACH COUNCIL MEMBER WHOSE DISTRICT SPECIFIC, THESE ARE IN, CORRECT? 
          >> ABSOLUTELY. THERE'S NO LOSS OF CONTROL IN THIS PROCESS. 
          WE'RE CONSULTANTS AND YOUR AGENTS. 
          WE ONLY DO WHAT YOU ALL EXPRESSLY GO TELL US TO DO. 
          THE THOUGHT HERE IS IN OUR NEXT UPDATE TO YOU ALL, WE WOULD SAY, THIS IS A NO-GO DECISION. 
          HERE'S OUR RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON WHAT'S FEASIBLE. 
          THIS IS HOW IT WOULD BE REPRESENTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, AND THESE ARE YOUR POTENTIAL RESULTS FROM THAT SOLICITATION PROCESS. 
          YOU ALL ARE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT, AND WE WILL BE BRINGING A RECOMMENDATION AND A PATH FORWARD RELATED TO THAT. 
          BUT I WANTED TO INTRODUCE SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'VE CLEANED IN OUR EXPERIENCE PLAY OUT. 
          THOSE ARE DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS, LIKE HOW DO YOU MAKE THE SITE MORE WELCOMING, AND HOW DO YOU CREATE A GREAT INTEGRATED DESIGN? THOSE ARE BEST SORTED OUT WITH SIX OR EIGHT DEVELOPERS WORKING ON IT CONCURRENTLY AND THEIR DESIGN TEAMS, SO THAT WE CAN SEE THE BEST IDEAS FROM EACH GROUP FOR [INAUDIBLE]. 
          >> I BRING THAT UP, MISS WILLIS, PREDOMINANTLY BECAUSE I'VE STRESSED, AND MY LIBRARY FRIENDS, I BELIEVE, ARE STILL BEHIND ME. 
          LET ME TURN AROUND. [INAUDIBLE], THEY'RE THERE. 
          I PROMISED THEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LIBRARY. 
          AS MUCH AS THERE'S DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES THERE, THE PREEMINENT PROJECT IS THE ACTUAL LIBRARY ITSELF. 
          WE CAN'T MISS THAT MARK ON THE LIBRARY SO, AS MUCH AS THE DEVELOPER SOLICITATION MIGHT OFFER, I DON'T KNOW, A MYRIAD OF OPTIONS BASED ON COUNSEL FEEDBACK, WE NEED TO HONE IN AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT A LIBRARY THAT THE VOTERS, THE TAXPAYERS FUNDED AND WANT AND DESIRE AND SO, THESE DESIGNS THAT WERE IN THIS PRESENTATION, FOR ILLUSTRATION ONLY, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE HEAVY LIFT THAT'S NEXT IN THE PROCESS THAT WE WOULD BE BRINGING IN HERE AND HAVING OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT. 
          LET'S LOCK IN THE LIBRARY FIRST BECAUSE IF NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS AT THESE TWO LOCATIONS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LIBRARIES THERE. 
          THEN EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE CAN ADD IN BASED ON YOUR GUYS' FEEDBACK, INCLUDING WHATEVER DEVELOPER OPTIONS WE HAVE, THAT'S THE ICING ON THE CAKE. 
          >> WELL, I'LL SECOND YOU ON THAT. 
          IT'S DEFINITELY THIS IS A LIBRARY PROJECT. 
          THIS IS THE EXTRA, BUT OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS IT, AND SO I WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE ANOTHER STANDALONE. 
          I THINK WE NEED A NEW PHILOSOPHY CITYWIDE. 
          THE LAST THING I'LL SAY, AND THIS IS BETWEEN YOU AND ME ON THE LIBRARY, SUP, I DIDN'T REALIZE ONE ALREADY EXISTED, SO I'LL NEED SOME MORE EDUCATION ON THAT, AND WHEN THAT HAPPENED FROM YOU, MR. GIBSON. 
          >> UNDERSTOOD. 
          >> THANK YOU. CHAIR WEST. 
          >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          I APPRECIATE YOU MAKING THIS OUR FIRST TOPIC FOR THIS COMMITTEE. 
          IT'S A VERY OBVIOUSLY NEAR AND DEAR ONE FOR ME. 
          I WANT TO SAY THAT I AGREE WITH DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM'S COMMENTS 
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THAT I DON'T REALLY WANT TO SEE ANY MORE STANDALONE PROJECTS WHEN WE ARE GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTING SOMETHING NEW. 
          I THINK THIS IS A GREAT INITIATIVE ON HOW WE CAN MAXIMIZE TAXPAYER BENEFITS BY HAVING MULTIPLE USES, A LIBRARY, PARK SPACE, HOUSING, COMMUNITY SPACE. 
          THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT AS WE DEVELOP NEW THINGS IN THE CITY. 
          I WANT TO GO TO SLIDE 31 AND JUST HONE IN ON THE KEY FINDINGS AND JUST GIVE MY FEEDBACK ON NORTH OAK CLIFF. 
          >> AGREE WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT THE LIBRARY ENTRANCE BE LOCATED ON BISHOP AVENUE. 
          FOR MY COLLEAGUES, I THINK MOST OF YOU'VE BEEN TO BISHOP ARTS. 
          THIS LOCATION IS AT A KEY PLACE BETWEEN BISHOP ARTS AND JEFFERSON BOULEVARD. 
          IT REALLY HAS THE POTENTIAL TO SERVE AS THE TOWN CENTER CONNECTING THESE TWO PARTS OF MY DISTRICT. 
          GOING INTO AND I THINK HAVING THE LIBRARY ENTRANCE THERE AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING LIKE THE MECHANICAL OR THE BACK END THERE IS DEFINITELY WHERE WE SHOULD FOCUS. 
          NUMBER 2, QUESTION ON ACQUIRING ADJACENT VACANT PARCELS AND CONSOLIDATING, HOW WOULD WE PAY FOR THAT? WHERE WOULD THAT MONEY COME FROM? 
          >> WE DON'T HAVE A SOURCE IDENTIFIED YET. 
          THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE DUE DILIGENCE AND THE MOVE FORWARD. 
          >> HOW QUICKLY WOULD WE NEED TO LOCK THAT PIECE UP TO STAY ON THE TIMELINE THAT THE CONSULTANTS PROVIDED? 
          >> PETER, CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THAT ONE? 
          >> WELL, IT'D BE GREAT RIGHT NOW IF YOU HAD A LONG-TERM OPTION ON IT, CONTROL IT FOR THE NEXT YEAR SO WE CAN EXPLORE THE PROCESS COMPLETELY. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THAT, AND I DON'T WANT TO COMPROMISE BILL'S OPPORTUNITY OF NEGOTIATION POSITION. 
          BUT YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS PLUS. 
          JUST PLAY THIS OUT EVEN FURTHER. 
          IF YOU WENT THROUGH THE SOLICITATION PROCESS CORRECTLY AND CREATED THE RIGHT FLEXIBILITY IN IT, AND YOU IDENTIFY A GREAT PARTNER. 
          THE FIRST THING YOU DO WITH THAT PARTNER IS YOU SIGN AN EXCLUSIVE NEGOTIATION AGREEMENT OR A PRE-DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT GOVERNS BASICALLY A 9-MONTH TO 12-MONTH DUE DILIGENCE AND CLOSING PERIOD. 
          DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, IS PROBABLY THE RIGHT TIME TO GET CONTROL OF OTHER PROPERTIES AND FINALIZE THE CAPITAL STACK AND THE FINANCING. 
          I THINK YOU HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO PURSUE THAT. 
          THE QUESTION CURRENTLY IN MY MIND, IS DOES THAT BUMP UP IN SIZE MAKE FOR A MUCH BETTER FINANCIAL OUTCOME FOR THE CITY AND FOR STAKEHOLDERS BY ADDING ADDITIONAL COMPETITION, HIGHER QUALITY DEVELOPERS, MORE AFFORDABILITY? THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT POTENTIAL OUTCOME THERE, BUT YOU HAVE TIME. 
          >> THANK YOU. MR. GIBSON, WHO WOULD BE ON POINT FOR THE CITY TO DRIVE THAT REAL ESTATE PORTION OF THIS IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN ACQUISITION? 
          >> THAT WOULD BE MY TEAM AS IT RELATES TO AN ACQUISITION. 
          THIS IS GOING TO BE A MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL MULTIDISCIPLINARY PROJECT BECAUSE AT SOME PHASE, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT DESIGN. 
          OUR LIBRARY FRIENDS WILL OBVIOUSLY GET THE DESIGN THAT THEY NEED. 
          THEN AT SOME POINT, OFFICE OF BOND AND CONSTRUCTION WILL TAKE OVER IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DEVELOPER TO ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT THE LIBRARY OR IN ANY OTHER STRUCTURE THERE. 
          >> I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN OUR MEETING BEFORE THIS IS THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE TIFFS AVAILABLE THAT COME TOGETHER CLOSE TO THIS SITE THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY UTILIZED FOR THE ACQUISITION PIECE? I HAVE FAITH IN YOUR TEAM THAT YOU WILL PURSUE THIS, AND YOU'LL HAVE MY SUPPORT WITH DOING THAT. 
          NEXT IS ITEM 3, THE MIXED-USE PARKING REDUCTIONS. 
          HOW IS PARKING JUST GENERALLY HIGH LEVEL IMPACTING YOUR MASSING THAT YOU PUT ON ONE OF THE EARLIER SLIDES, PETER OR WHOEVER? 
          >> WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO TAKE THIS ONE? YES. WE KNEW WHEN THEY WERE DOING THIS STUDY THAT THERE WAS SOME PARKING REFORM HAPPENING. 
          THIS WAS ISSUED IN MARCH BEFORE, I THINK THAT HAPPENED. 
          WE BASED OUR PARKING ASSUMPTIONS ON WHAT WE BELIEVED THE MARKET WOULD REQUIRE. 
          WHAT YOU MODELED IS WE USED A FACTOR OF 1.25 BASIS PER APARTMENT UNIT. 
          OBVIOUSLY, YOU COULD PROVIDE MORE OR LESS PARKING, OR THE DEVELOPER COULD DECIDE TO APPROACH THAT A BIT DIFFERENTLY. 
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BUT WHEN WE LOOKED AT HOW THIS NUMBER 3 REFERENCES THE MIXED-USE PARKING REDUCTIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED IN WHAT I BELIEVE IS NOW AN OBSOLETE ZONING CODE, AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO BE ANY MORE PRECISE WITHOUT A ZONING CONSULTATION. 
          THAT'S WHAT THAT REFERENCE IS THERE. 
          >> THEN I'LL JUST FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS AS WE GO INTO THE SOLICITATION, YOU'LL WORK THROUGH THE PARKING ISSUES, AND IF IT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP THROUGH A ZONING CHANGE OR SOMETHING, YOU'LL BRING THAT TO US, AND WE CAN DO THAT THROUGH CITY INITIATION. 
          >> I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT. 
          >> YES. 
          >> WE GOT A YES FROM THE HORSESHOE. 
          THANK YOU. THEN ON NUMBER 4, THE LAST AND FINAL HERE. 
          THE ONE THING THAT I TRIED TO MAKE REALLY CLEAR TO YOU, PETER, AND TO THE CONSULTANTS IS THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO MY COMMUNITY. 
          THIS EVEN CAME OUT IN THE LIBRARY SURVEY THAT WE CONDUCTED, THAT THERE IS SOME ON-STREET OPEN SPACE, OUTDOOR GREEN SPACE. 
          I KNOW THAT THIS IS A LIBRARY, AND THAT'S THE FOCUS, AND THAT'S THE BOND FUNDING. 
          BUT I'M TELLING THIS TO STAFF. 
          CITY MANAGEMENT IS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME INCORPORATION OF SOME GREEN SPACE IN THIS LIBRARY, AND NOT ON A ROOF, BUT ON THE GROUND FLOOR, SO THAT IT'S PART OF OUR DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY THERE. 
          TRUST FOR PUBLIC LAND HAS IDENTIFIED THIS AREA AS A PARK DESERT. 
          IT'S ALSO ONE OF THE WORST HEAT ISLANDS IN THE CITY. 
          THERE NEEDS TO BE, EVEN IF IT'S SMALL, SOME TYPE OF INCORPORATED GREEN SPACE HERE AS WELL. 
          THEN LASTLY, I THINK ON SLIDE 21 FOR THE PARK FOREST LIBRARY, YOU HAD INDICATED, THERE COULD BE AN EXTERIOR AUDITORIUM ENTRY FOR EVENING PERFORMANCES. 
          I LOVE THAT. I DIDN'T SEE THAT ON THE NORTH OAK CLIFF SLIDE, AND I THINK WE WOULD BENEFIT FROM THAT, TOO, FOR OUR AUDITORIUM IF WE INCLUDE ONE. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER, ORTZI. 
          >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          OVERALL, I JUST AM REALLY ECSTATIC TO SEE THIS MOVING FORWARD. 
          THIS IS THE TYPE OF INNOVATIVE APPROACH, I THINK, THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING WHEN EVALUATING ALL OF OUR PROPERTIES, QUITE FRANKLY, OUR ASSETS, AND HOW THEY CAN BE MAXIMIZED FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          I KNOW THAT CHAIRMAN WEST, YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING DEEPER INTO OUR SURPLUS PROPERTIES, AND I ENCOURAGE THIS TO ACT SOMEWHAT AS A MODEL OF HOW WE CAN REIMAGINE THE USE OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE INSTEAD OF JUST MONETIZING. 
          I KNOW THAT'S A HUGE PIECE OF CONVERSATION, BUT IF IT COULD BE MAXIMIZED ON THE VALUE THAT POTENTIALLY OPENS UP OTHER REAL ESTATE, THAT THIS IS ALONG THOSE SAME LINES. 
          I WOULD ALSO JUST WANT TO BRING IN THE MASTER PLAN THAT WE'RE WORKING ON FOR THE MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          THE LIBRARY IS A COMPONENT THERE, AND SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WITH MORE COMPONENTS TO IT, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S ALONG THE SAME LINES. 
          I'D LOVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GET TOO FAR AHEAD AND LEAVE MLK BEHIND WHEN WE ARE ALREADY WORKING WITH THE NECESSARY PARTNERS TO GET THIS EXECUTED. 
          WE HAVE CREATED A TASK FORCE IN SOUTH DALLAS WITH SOME PRIVATE AND PUBLIC PARTNERS TO HELP WITH THE PLANNING STAGES. 
          BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THIS IS SOMEHOW IF THE MLK CENTER PROJECT THAT CITY MANAGER TOLBERT HAS BEEN ACTIVE WITH IS ALSO INCLUDED IN OUR EFFORTS HERE, IS ALL I WOULD ASK. 
          I JUST WANT TO SAY, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THESE PROJECTS SOME DIRT TURNING AND REALLY PUSHING THE DENSITY OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE HERE ON THESE MAIN CORRIDORS. 
          I AM CURIOUS, THOUGH. 
          I SAW THAT THERE WERE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR ALONG. 
          ARE THESE GOING TO SPECIFICALLY BE MARKETED FOR A NICHE POPULATION? 
          >> I THINK THAT'S TBD. 
          I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE OPEN CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW. 
          AGAIN, PETER HELPED ME WITH THIS, BUT I THINK THERE'S A RANGE OF OPTIONS THAT WOULD WE DO TO DEVELOP A SOLICITATION THAT WOULD LEAVE THE FIELD AS WIDE OPEN AS WHAT THE GARD REELS COUNCIL WOULD PUT ON. 
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IS THAT TRUE PETER? 
          >> HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH THAT. 
          THIS IS CALLED, ABOUT DEFINING THE SANDBOX THAT A GROUP OF COMPETITORS CAN PLAY IN, AND UNDERSTANDING THERE'S GOING TO BE A PUSH PULL AND DIFFERENT RISK REWARD PROFILES FOR EACH OF THESE GROUPS AND FOR YOU ALL. 
          IF WE GET TO GO TO MARKET WITH THIS, WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THERE'S A WIDE VARIETY OF POSSIBILITIES, INCLUDING IN THE A PREFERRED USER GROUP, WHETHER IT'S SENIOR HOUSING OR AFFORDABILITY A CERTAIN LEVEL. 
          BUT THOSE THINGS ARE VERY MUCH CONTINGENT AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH ON THE OVERALL CAPITAL MARKET. 
          IN MY MIND, IT'S NOT A WIN FOR YOU ALL IF WE GO OUT WITH SUCH A PRESCRIPTIVE PROGRAM THAT THE DEVELOPER THEN HAS TO TURN AROUND AND APPLY FOR A GIGANTIC FUNDING GAP FILL FROM THE CITY FROM ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE. 
          THAT MIGHT BE A WASH OR A NET LOSS FOR YOU ALL FINANCIALLY. 
          THE GOAL HERE IS TO SEE WHAT CAN BE PROFITABLE FROM A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT THAT YOU ALL PARTICIPATE IN AND ACHIEVE YOUR PROGRAMATIC GOALS OF THE LIBRARY WITHOUT COMPROMISING THAT THIS IS A LIBRARY LOCATION. 
          BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SEE IF THE MARKETS MOVE A LOT FASTER THAN ANY PROCUREMENT OR DEVELOPER SELECTION PROCESS. 
          WITH THE BOND RATES MOVING WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY, YES, FOR THIS ONE-YEAR PERIOD OF TIME, THIS TYPE OF PROJECT WILL BE FEASIBLE. 
          YOU TRY TO PICK A GREAT PARTNER THAT CAN ITERATE WITH YOU AND YOU CAN GET COMFORTABLE THAT THEY WILL GET YOU TO A SATISFYING PROJECT AT THE END OF THE DAY. 
          YOU GOT TO BE FLEXIBLE WHERE THE MARKETS ARE RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT I DON'T WILL END UP HAVING TO DUMP A LOT OF CASH INTO THIS PROJECT, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE A CERTAIN OUTCOME UNLESS THAT'S COUNSEL'S DIRECTIVE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE STARTING OUT, WE'LL PRESENT TO YOU A PROJECT WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BASICALLY BE THE EQUITY PARTNER. 
          >> THANK YOU. THAT IS WHY I WAS ASKING. 
          I SEE IT LISTED ON WHAT THEY COULD BE, WHAT IT COULD BE MARKETED FOR, ETC. 
          BUT I'D LIKE FOR US TO GET THAT COMPREHENSIVELY PRESENTED TO KNOW IF IT WAS THE POTENTIALS, AND WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE THE FUNDING STACK IS GOING TO LOOK DIFFERENTLY FROM THE DIFFERENT BUCKETS THAT WE COULD TAP INTO. 
          I THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY CRITICAL PIECE FOR US TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION AND THE MOST FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE ON MAXIMIZING THESE PROPERTIES. 
          WHEN WE GET AN UPDATE, IF YOU COULD PLEASE HAVE IT LAID OUT WITH IF IT WERE FOR SENIOR HOUSING, FOR INSTANCE. 
          DEPENDING ON WHAT INCOME BANDS WE WOULD BE ATTRACTING FOR AFFORDABILITY, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT A LIST THAT WOULD BE INCLUSIVE OF ANY POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES THAT COULD BE TAPPED INTO WITH THOSE DIFFERENT TYPE MODELS SO THAT WE CAN PLAN ACCORDINGLY ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          THAT'S WHAT ALL I WOULD REQUEST. 
          >> UNDERSTOOD COMPLETELY. PETER. I THINK THAT'S THE VISION HERE. 
          I MENTIONED THAT EARLIER. 
          THERE'LL BE SOME STOPS HERE. 
          CHAIR GRACIE WILL CALL US BACK AND WE'LL BRING YOU UPDATES AND DECISION POINTS. 
          >> I'LL JUST INTERJECT IT. 
          RIGHT NOW WE KNOW JUST BASED ON CAPITAL MARKETS, IF YOU ALL WERE TO SAY, THAT WE WANT A 100% OF THESE UNITS AT 30% AFFORDABILITY. 
          I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT FINANCEABLE IN THE CAPITAL MARKETS. 
          BUT WE'RE GOING TO LAY THAT OUT FOR YOU AND SHOW YOU WHERE'S A SWEET SPOT IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL SOLID FINANCIAL OUTCOME FOR YOU ALL WELL SOMETHINGS FEASIBLE. 
          THEN THE DECISIONS YOU HAVE TO MAKE WITHIN THAT. 
          BUT WE'RE GOING TO LAY THAT OUT IN A MENU FOR YOU. 
          >> REGARDING FINANCING TOOLS, IS IT BEING EXPLORED AT ALL TO LOOK AT OUR PFC MODEL FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT? 
          >> WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS, PETER, YOU WANT TO ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. 
          >> I THINK IT'S HIGHLY LIKELY PFC WILL PLAY A ROLE IN THIS. 
          >> YOU CUT OUT. 
          >> I THINK IT'S HIGHLY LIKELY THAT PFC WILL PLAY A ROLE IN THIS. 
          THE 9%, TECH DEALS CAN BE HIGHLY COMPETITIVE, 4% WILL BE EXPLORED. 
          BUT PFC IS, I THINK, GOING TO BE A GREAT EXECUTION TOOL FOR THIS. 
          THAT SAID, I DON'T LIKE TO GET TOO PRESCRIPTIVE. 
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I JUST WENT THROUGH A PROCESS LIKE THIS WITH THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST. 
          IT WAS VERY INTERESTING TO SEE HOW DIFFERENT COMPETITORS LOOKED AT IT. 
          AS MUCH AS WE MIGHT START TO LEAN IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION, AND HAVE MORE COMPETITION WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR SPACE. 
          WE DO LIKE TO LEAVE SOME OPEN ENDED NATURE TO THE COMPETITIVE PROCESS IN CASE THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN FUNDING SOURCES THAT SHOW UP AND WE MAY NOT BE AWARE OF. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVE FOUNDATIONS AND FAMILY OFFICES AND DONORS IN THESE SPACES. 
          WE LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S POSSIBLE AND THEN ALSO LEAVE IT OPEN-ENDED AS WELL. 
          >> ONE LAST QUESTION ON THE MODEL OF HOW THIS WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED AFTER EXECUTION. 
          CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME JUST HIGH-LEVEL ON WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON ACTUALLY MANAGING THE PROPERTY? 
          >> FLEX. 
          >> THE LIKELY FINANCIAL STRUCTURE AND REAL ESTATE STRUCTURE HERE IS A COMMERCIAL CONDOMINIUM REGIME IN WHICH THE CONDOMINIUM UNITS ARE ONE, THE MULTIFAMILY, AND TWO BEING THE LIBRARY. 
          YOU HAVE TWO INDEPENDENT TITLE TO THE PROPERTY. 
          THEN THE FLOW OF FUNDING FROM YOUR HOUSING CONDOMINIUM UNIT, LET'S CALL IT 100, 150 UNITS DEPENDING ON THE SITE HERE. 
          THE WEIGHT OF THE NET OPERATING INCOME IS USUALLY EXECUTED THROUGH A PARTICIPATORY GROUND LEASE IN WHICH PARTICIPATORY STRUCTURE IN WHICH THE PROFITS ARE SHARED SUBJECT TO THE NEGOTIATION. 
          BETWEEN THE THIRD-PARTY DEVELOPER WHO OWNS THE TITLE TO THAT, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEN THE CITY'S INTERESTS. 
          OF COURSE, IF YOU LAYER IN THE PFC OR OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING ENTITIES, THERE ARE NUANCES TO THAT. 
          BUT I THINK AT ITS MOST BASIC LEVEL, THINK OF IT AS TWO UNITS, STACK NEXT TO EACH OTHER, CITY HOLDS THE TITLE, OBVIOUSLY TO THE LIBRARY AND THE LAND, AND THEN THE PARTNERSHIP, OF WHICH THE CITY IS A MEMBER OWNS THE TITLE TO THE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE HOUSING. 
          >> IF I COULD JUST ASK STAFF WHENEVER ALL DO COME BACK AND WHENEVER CHAIRMAN BRINGS THIS ITEM BACK UP, IF YOU COULD HAVE AN ORG CHART, IF YOU WILL, ON LAYING OUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE OUR OVERSIGHT OPPORTUNITY IS ON THE MANAGEMENT OF THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE TO THIS. 
          I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M CLEAR ON THAT. 
          >> NO, I UNDERSTOOD. I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR, COUNCILMAN. 
          >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          >> THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR CODINA. 
          >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. TO MY COLLEAGUES IN DISTRICT 13 AND DISTRICT 1, THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT. 
          I'M SO GLAD THAT WE'RE ABLE TO USE CITY PROPERTY IN INNOVATIVE WAYS TO BRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          IT'S SO IMPORTANT. 
          I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, THOUGH. 
          JUST AS WE FINISH, WE HAD A BUDGET RECENTLY. 
          ARE THESE LIBRARIES GOING TO REPLACE CURRENT LIBRARIES? THEN HOW CLOSE ARE THE OTHER LIBRARIES TO THESE LOCATIONS? 
          >> MANA, CAN YOU COME HELP ME WITH THAT ONE? 
          >> GOOD MORNING, MANIA SHORE, LIBRARY DIRECTOR. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER CADENA. 
          YES, THEY ARE REPLACING IN TWO SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          PARK FOREST IS MOVING TO A NEW LOCATION, AND I'LL DEFER TO DENZEL TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THAT PROPERTY AFTER. 
          THEN NORTH OAK CLIFF IS A REPLACEMENT ON THE SAME PROPERTY. 
          I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO HOW FAR AWAY THOSE TWO LIBRARIES CURRENTLY ARE FROM OTHER LIBRARIES, BUT I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU. 
          >> I JUST HOPE THAT AS A PART OF OUR PLAN THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE COMMUNICATE WITH RESIDENTS ON WHAT'S HAPPENING AND THE TIMELINES THAT THINGS GO JUST AS WE MOVE FORWARD SO THAT THEY ARE NOT SURPRISED. THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          >> THANK YOU. CHAIR RIDLEY. 
          >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A PRESENTATION AT A VERY CONCEPTUAL LEVEL, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          SO WE'LL RESERVE ANY DETAILED QUESTIONS AS THESE PLANS EVOLVE. 
          BUT I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS CONCEPTUALLY. 
          MONIA, YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT THE NORTH OAK CLIFF BRANCH LIBRARY IS ON THE SITE OF AN EXISTING LIBRARY. 
          THAT LIBRARY STILL OPERATING TODAY, I ASSUME? 
          >> YES. 
          >> SO IT WILL NEED TO BE DEMOLISHED, 
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SO IT'LL BE OUT OF SERVICE FOR PROBABLY AT LEAST TWO YEARS WHILE THE NEW BUILDING IS BUILT, CORRECT? 
          >> CORRECT. HOPEFULLY, SHORTER THAN TWO YEARS. 
          BUT YES AND THAT HAS BEEN OUR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE AS WE HAVE RENOVATED. 
          WHEN IT'S IN THE SAME SPOT IS THAT THERE IS A PERIOD OF TIME OF NO LIBRARY SERVICE. 
          ALTHOUGH I WOULD LOVE TO EXPLORE SOME INTERIM AS WE'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT WITH PRESTON ROYAL WHILE IT'S CLOSED, EVEN IF IT'S SOMETHING JUST A HOLDS PICK UP AND RETURN IN THE CHURCH NEXT DOOR, SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T CUT OFF LIBRARY SERVICE COMPLETELY. 
          >> GREAT. IN TERMS OF THE PLAN, I WANT TO COMMEND STAFF IN GENERAL FOR THE CONCEPT OF MIXED USE FOR THESE PROPERTIES. 
          I THINK IT PROVIDES FOR MORE BANG FOR YOUR BUCK, IF YOU WILL, IN TERMS OF THE USAGE OF CITY PROPERTY, IT ALSO IS COMMENDABLE BECAUSE IT WOULD ADD AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO OUR STOCK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SO I THINK THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT INITIATIVES. 
          IN TERMS OF THE CONFIGURATION OF THE SITE, WITH REGARD TO THE NORTH OAK CLIFF LIBRARY, I PREFERRED ALTERNATE B. 
          THE REASON IS THAT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE AT LEAST VISUALLY A FREESTANDING LIBRARY STRUCTURE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN EASILY IDENTIFY IT AS A LIBRARY, AND I THINK IT MAY ALSO PROVIDE MORE SIMPLICITY LEGALLY IN TERMS OF THE SHARED USE AND THE SAME PROPERTY AND THE SAME STRUCTURE THAT GETS PRETTY COMPLICATED. 
          IT ALSO MAY BE EASIER TO SECURE THE LIBRARY IF IT'S A SEPARATE BUILDING BUT WITH SHARED PARKING PROVISION WITH THE PROPOSED APARTMENTS. 
          I'M DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF THAT CONCEPT FOR BOTH SITES. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE IDENTIFY SOMEONE ON STAFF TO BE THE COORDINATOR, WHETHER IT'S OUR LIBRARY DIRECTOR OR SOMEONE IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO BE ABLE TO CONTACT THE OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS, PARTICULARLY, ZONING TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES AND WITH REGARD TO THE CONFIGURATION OF THIS MIXED USE DEAL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE CITY MAINTAIN CONTROL OVER THE CONFIGURATION OF THE BUILDING, PARTICULARLY, THE HEIGHT SO THAT WE DON'T RUN INTO PROBLEMS WITH SB 840. 
          WE CAN DO THAT THROUGH EITHER RETAINING OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY AND BUILDING IT TO OUR WANTS AND NEEDS OR THROUGH A LONG-TERM LAND LEASE THAT COULD HAVE STIPULATIONS THAT WOULD RESTRICT THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          I WON'T GET ANY MORE SPECIFIC THAN THAT, BUT THOSE ARE JUST SOME IDEAS THAT I HAD. 
          I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF CONTINUING TO DEVELOP THIS IDEA, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THERE BE A POINT PERSON SO THAT IT DOESN'T GET DELAYED BECAUSE OF LACK OF FOCUS OR LACK OF CLEAR LEADERSHIP ON THE PART OF THE STAFF. 
          OBVIOUSLY, ROBIN BENTLEY NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TO ADDRESS THE POSSIBILITY OF DEVELOPING MIXED INCOME HOUSING ON THESE PROPERTIES. 
          I THINK IT SHOULD BE MIXED INCOME, PREFERABLY A 50/50 MIX, SO THAT WE HAVE SOME MARKET-RATE UNITS, AS WELL AS THE AFFORDABLE UNITS SO THAT THERE'S SOME DIVERSITY IN THIS COMMUNITY. 
          >> YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. 
          ACM ROBIN BENTLEY, AND DEVERA STOKES, BOTH HAVE BEEN IN THE LOOP ON THIS FOR OUR INTERNAL CONVERSATIONS. 
          BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS GOING TO BE MULTI DEPARTMENTAL. 
          THE ASSESSMENTS, THE INCENTIVES, EVERYTHING THAT'S INVOLVED, INCLUDING THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION, IS GOING TO INVOLVE ALL THE ACMS ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          >> ONE FINAL COMMENT, I DO SUPPORT THE CONCEPT OF HAVING OPEN SPACE ON THE GROUND LEVEL INSTEAD OF FIVE STORIES IN THE AIR. 
          I THINK THAT DOES NEED TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, AND IT WILL IMPROVE THE COMPATIBILITY OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          >> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ROTH. 
          >> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. FIRST OF ALL, I APPLAUD YOU FOR BEING CREATIVE. 
          I THINK THIS IS THE STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE ENCOURAGED WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY AS A CITY LEADERSHIP HERE, 
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AND I THINK THIS IS AN INTERESTING WAY TO TRY TO LEVERAGE OUR ABILITY TO PRESERVE THE LIBRARIES AND ALSO ATTRACT BUY IN TO OTHER NEEDS OF THE CITY, WHETHER IT'S AFFORDABLE, SENIOR LIVING, WHATEVER IT IS AND SO I THINK THIS IS A GREAT MOVE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS. 
          THESE ARE COMPLICATED PROJECTS. 
          PERSONALLY, WHEN THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS COME TO ME, I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THREE MAIN THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT TO ME, AND TO MY CONSTITUENTS, AND I THINK TO THE CITY, GENERALLY, WHICH IS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT LOSING SIGHT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S IMPACT. 
          ANY IMPACT ON THESE DEVELOPMENTS ON THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE TO BE NOTIFIED, THEY HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS, THEY NEED TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION, AND THEY NEED TO BE ENGAGED AND PART OF IT. 
          NUMBER 2, I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY IMPERATIVE THAT THESE DEVELOPMENTS DO CREATE A FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE LIBRARIES. 
          THE CAPITAL STACK, THE AMOUNT OF ENTITLEMENTS, THE TYPE OF FINANCING THAT'S GOING ON HERE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S COMING FROM CITY BOND FUNDS, FROM CITY ENTITLEMENTS, FROM THE ABILITY TO GET TAX CREDITS TO GET LONG-TERM LOAN LEASES, ARE ALL INCENTIVES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE TO ENCOURAGE THESE PROJECTS. 
          HOWEVER, THE DEVELOPERS HAVE TO BRING TO US, AND THEY SHOULD BE THOUGHTFUL IN PLANNING TO BRING TO US STRUCTURES OF THESE PROJECTS WHICH ABSOLUTELY FUND THESE LIBRARY OPERATIONS, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS CRITICAL TO THE LIBRARY COMMUNITY, IT'S CRITICAL TO OUR PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES, AND IT'S AN AREA IN THE BUDGET THAT WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS. 
          THOSE MONIES HAVE TO COME FROM THESE DEVELOPMENTS, AND THERE SHOULD BE THE ABILITY FOR THESE DEVELOPERS TO DO THAT. 
          I THINK ALSO THE CAPITAL STRUCTURE IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE CAPITAL STRUCTURE AND THE OWNERSHIP STRUCTURE OF THESE THINGS. 
          THESE PROJECTS COULD BECOME VERY COMPLICATED, BUT THEY SHOULD BECOME VERY SIMPLE. 
          WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE ANY PROJECTS THAT COME TO US, HAVE TO CREATE A SIMPLICITY IN THE STRUCTURE OF THE MANAGEMENT, AND IN THE OWNERSHIP, AND IN THE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR THE CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT, THE OPERATION, THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE, AND THE DECISION MAKING OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THESE PROPERTIES. 
          REALLY, THIS IS VERY EARLY IN OUR PROCESS, BUT THESE ARE THINGS THAT THE PRESENTATIONS NEED TO BRING TO US SO WE CAN VET THIS STUFF IN ADVANCE. 
          I WANT THE DEVELOPERS IN THESE DEALS TO HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME AND I WANT THEM TO BE COMMITTED TO PROMOTING THE INTERESTS OF THE CITY HERE, AND TO HELPING US MANAGE OUR FINANCIAL ISSUES, AS WELL AS OUR NEEDS TO PROVIDE THESE SERVICES TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          I APPLAUD THE IDEA, I APPLAUD THE CREATIVITY, BUT I WANT TO PUT A LITTLE BIT OF PRESSURE ON THE FOLKS THAT ARE BRINGING THESE PROJECTS TO THE TABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE HELPING OUR CITIZENS GET WHAT WE NEED. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, SIR. 
          >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER ROTH. 
          I ALWAYS APPRECIATE WHEN WE GET TO KNOW OUR COLLEAGUES AND WE START TO LEARN THEIR SUPERPOWERS. 
          IF YOU NOTICE, WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE IT AWAY, BUT I APPRECIATE HOW PASSIONATE YOU GET ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES ARE BENEFITING THE CITY FROM A REVENUE PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I WAS GOING WITH SOME OF MY COMMENTS AS WELL. 
          EVEN IN THE DESIGN OF THE SPACES, THINKING ABOUT THE EVER CHANGING BUSINESS MODELS, THE EVER CHANGING LIBRARY MODELS, KEEPING THAT SPACE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH THAT IT CAN WITHSTAND THE EVOLUTIONS THAT HAPPEN, BUT ALSO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE REVENUE AND IN A WAY THAT IT CAN BE SWITCHED OUT. 
          IF THAT REVENUE STRUCTURE DOESN'T WORK, THERE'S STILL SOME FLEXIBILITY WHERE IT'S EASILY EXCHANGED OUT FOR ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY THERE. 
          JUST BE THINKING ABOUT THOSE TYPE OF DESIGNS. 
          THERE, PARTICULARLY, IN BISHOP PARTS. 
          I KNOW THEY HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES. 
          THERE I HAVEN'T SPENT TOO MUCH TIME OUT THAT WAY, 
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I'M GOING TO MAKE MY WAY OUT THERE. 
          BUT THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES, AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO KEEPING THAT SPACE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO HAVE A CONSISTENT STREAM OF REVENUE REGARDLESS OF THE LIBRARY MODEL. 
          I THINK THIS IS A SUPER INNOVATIVE WAY TO UTILIZE SOME OF THE SPACE, AND HAVE SOME SPACE. 
          AS YOU KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IN DISTRICT 3 TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH THE PFCS AND HFCS SO I THINK THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO DO THAT, AS WELL AS GENERATE REVENUE THROUGH THOSE MODELS TO CONTINUE DEVELOPMENT IN AND AROUND THE AREA THERE. 
          BUT THAT'S SOME OF MY COMMENTS THERE. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SHOULD ASK THIS, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK IT ANYWAY BECAUSE I HAVE TO KNOW. 
          WHAT HAPPENS IF THE LIBRARY MODEL DOESN'T WORK? I JUST WANT TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT THIS. 
          IF THE LIBRARY MODEL DOESN'T WORK, THE BUSINESS MODEL DOESN'T WORK IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE RELATIONSHIP AND THE DEBT FOR THAT PROPERTY? 
          >> I THINK THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THAT LEVEL YET. 
          OBVIOUSLY, RISK MANAGEMENT, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THAT'LL BE SOME OF THE GARTER RAILS WE'LL BE PUTTING IN TO MAKE SURE THAT HOWEVER THE PROJECT, FORGIVE ME I SAY THIS, ENDS UP IN SOME DISTRESS THAT THE CITY'S PROTECTING. 
          >> THANK YOU. AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT MODEL. 
          I THINK THIS IS A WAY TO CONTINUE THAT, BUT I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE WE CAN PLAN FOR THAT EXIT STRATEGY IN THE EVENT THAT THIS MODEL DOES NOT WORK. 
          BUT I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT, AND I THINK IT'S A VERY INNOVATIVE WAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. CHAIR WEST, WHO IS OFFICIALLY, TECHNICALLY, FOR THE RECORD, A PART OF THIS COMMITTEE. 
          >> I'M HAPPY TO BE A PART OF IT. THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          I MOVE THAT THE COMMITTEE SUPPORTS THE EXPLORATION OF A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP TO ALIGN WITH THE PARK FOREST AND OAK CLIFF LIBRARY BOND PROJECTS. 
          IT ENCOURAGES STAFF TO EXPLORE OPTIONS FOR OTHER PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP PROJECTS THAT CAN BENEFIT FROM SIMILAR BOND PROJECTS, AND REQUESTS THAT CITY COUNCIL CONSIDER A FURTHER POLICY DISCUSSION ON THE SUBJECT IN THE FUTURE. 
          >> SECOND. 
          >> A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND PROPERLY SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSE? ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. NEXT ITEM. THANK YOU. 
          >> NICE TO BE WITH YOU. 
          >> THANK Y'ALL. 
          >> CHAIR, YOUR NEXT ITEM IS AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH DALLAS COUNTY HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES TO AUTHORIZE PUBLIC AUTHORITY. 
          YOU MAY RECALL THIS ITEM WAS BROUGHT TO CITY COUNCIL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND IT WAS REQUESTED THAT IT BE BROUGHT TO THIS COMMITTEE FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          >> GOOD MORNING, HONORABLE CHAIR, MEMBERS AND MADAM CITY MANAGER. 
          KEVIN ODEN, I'M THE DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND CRISIS RESPONSE, AND TODAY, TRAVIS WILL LEAD YOU THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION. 
          JUST A QUICK CONTEXT I WANT TO ADD BEFORE WE DIG INTO THIS, AS YOU'LL SEE. 
          THE SCOPE OF THIS AGREEMENT, WHICH HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2008 WHEN THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND HEALTH SAFETY DEPARTMENT WAS REIMAGINED FALLS UNDER STATE LAW, CHAPTER 121. 
          IT HAS A VERY NARROW SCOPE OF WHAT A HEALTH AUTHORITY IS SO I JUST ASKED WE KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          I BELIEVE WE HAD DR. HUANG ON THE VIRTUAL. 
          HE HAS A CONFLICT AT 10:30, SO IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GET HIM AND THERE ARE QUESTIONS FOR DALLAS COUNTY, THIS ITEM IS SCHEDULED FOR COUNCIL, IF ADVANCED TODAY SO WE'LL GET THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED PRIOR TO WEDNESDAY IF IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN THAT WAY. 
          I SEE DR. HUANG ON THE SCREEN SO HE IS HERE. TRAVIS. 
          >> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. 
          TRAVIS HOUSTON, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND CRISIS RESPONSE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          THE PURPOSE OF THIS PRESENTATION IS TO BRIEF YOU ON OUR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH DALLAS COUNTY HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES IN ADVANCE OF IT, AS KEVIN STATED, APPEARING ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA THIS WEDNESDAY. 
          THIS ITEM ORIGINALLY APPEARED ON THE SEPTEMBER 24TH COUNCIL AGENDA, IT WAS REMANDED TO QUALITY OF LIFE FOR A BRIEFING AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO TODAY. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          AS KEVIN STATED, THE SCOPE OF THE AGREEMENT IS NARROW AND FOCUSED ON THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES PROVIDED BY DR. PHILIP HUANG. 
          REALLY WHAT THIS AGREEMENT IS ATTEMPTING TO DO IS TO ENSURE THE PROVISION OF ESSENTIAL PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICES TO CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS UNDER STATE STATUTE 121. 
          THE COST OF THIS AGREEMENT OVER TWO YEARS IS $20,000, THAT'S $10,000 A YEAR FOR THIS SERVICE AND WE'VE MAINTAINED THE SAME TERMS AS THE FY '24/'25 AGREEMENT. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. JUST SOME BACKGROUND. 
          WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A HEALTH AUTHORITY. 
          IF WE DO NOT CHOOSE ONE, IT DEFAULTS TO THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE HEALTH SERVICES REGIONAL DIRECTOR FOR US, 
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THAT'S THE REGION 23 DIRECTOR. 
          AGAIN, IT PRIMARILY RELATES TO RESPONSIBILITIES DURING PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCIES AND SO THE HEALTH AUTHORITY ACTS AS THE STATE OFFICER IN ENFORCING HEALTH LAWS, LIKE QUARANTINE, ETC. 
          LET ME JUST LOOK AT MY NOTES HERE. 
          IN EFFECT, IT ALLOWS US TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCIES BASED ON STATE LAW. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          >> THE FIRST TWO BULLETS ARE THE MOST BROAD IN TERMS OF STATUTORY RESPONSIBILITIES. 
          THOSE ARE ALL OUTLINED IN CHAPTER 121. 
          THE FOLLOWING THREE BULLETS ON THIS SLIDE ARE ADDITIONAL TERMS THAT WE HAVE ADDED INTO THE CONTRACT IN A STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE. 
          REALLY, THAT JUST SETS THE MUTUAL EXPECTATIONS AS TO HOW WE'RE MEANT TO WORK TOGETHER DURING THESE PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCIES, NOTIFICATION, ESTABLISHING A UNIFIED COMMAND DURING THESE EMERGENCIES. 
          THIS AGREEMENT IS ALSO REFERENCED FREQUENTLY IN THE CITY'S EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN, WHICH FURTHER OUTLINES ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES DURING THESE TYPES OF DISASTERS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          AS STATED, THIS AGREEMENT APPOINTS DR. PHILIP HUANG FOR A TWO YEAR TERM. 
          THERE ARE SOME BASIC QUALIFICATIONS FOR A HEALTH AUTHORITY, AND THAT'S BEING A LICENSED PHYSICIAN IN GOOD STANDING IN TEXAS, BEING A RESIDENT OF TEXAS, AND THE HEALTH AUTHORITY MUST BE OFFICIALLY APPOINTED AND SWORN IN WITH A FILING WITH THE STATE. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AS FAR AS THE BENEFITS TO THE CITY OF DALLAS, CLEARLY IDENTIFIED ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT IN DISASTER PREPAREDNESS. 
          UNDERSTANDING BEFORE THE DISASTER HAPPENS, WHO'S GOING TO DO WHAT AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT, AND SO THIS AGREEMENT HELPS SOLIDIFY THOSE TERMS AND HELPS GIVE WEIGHT TO WHAT WE PUT IN THE REST OF OUR PLANS AND PROCEDURES. 
          OF COURSE, DALLAS COUNTY ALREADY HAS A VESTED INTEREST IN PUBLIC HEALTH PREPAREDNESS, BUT THIS AGREEMENT STRENGTHENS THAT FRAMEWORK. 
          NOT HAVING THIS AGREEMENT JUST CREATES GAPS IN OUR RESPONSE MODEL. 
          IT TAKES THE AGENCY IN DALLAS COUNTY THAT RESPONDS TO THESE PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCIES, TAKES THEM OUT FROM OUR RESPONSE, AND HAS US WORKING WITH ANOTHER PARTY, AND SO THIS STREAMLINES AND MAKES CLEAR, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING WHAT. 
          REALLY, THIS IS CRITICAL TO HAVE EVERY DAY, BUT ESPECIALLY WHEN WE LOOK FORWARD TO SOME OF THE BIG EVENTS THAT WE'RE HAVING, LIKE THE WORLD CUP, WHERE WE'LL BE WELCOMING PEOPLE FROM EVERY CORNER OF THE WORLD. 
          HAVING A VERY STRONG PUBLIC HEALTH FRAMEWORK IS IMPORTANT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          AS FAR AS NEXT STEPS, WE HOPE TO ADVANCE THIS ILA TO CITY COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 22 FOR ADOPTION, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'LL START RIGHT HERE WITH CHAIR RIDLEY. 
          >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          I THINK WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH DOCTOR HUANG AND HIS GREAT ACHIEVEMENTS IN THE ARENA OF PUBLIC HEALTH, AND I'M CERTAINLY SUPPORTIVE OF HIM OCCUPYING THIS POSITION. 
          BUT I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. 
          WHAT EXACTLY IS THE AUTHORITY OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH AUTHORITY IF THE CITY DOES DESIGNATE AN INDIVIDUAL TO DO THAT. 
          >> THE ACTUAL AUTHORITIES ARE LAID OUT IN CHAPTER 121, BUT THE SHORT VERSION OF IT IS THAT IT ALLOWS THEM TO ISSUE QUARANTINE ORDERS. 
          IT ALLOWS FOR CONTACT TRACING, SURVEILLANCE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          I THINK DR. HUANG MAY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A MORE ROBUST ANSWER OF ALL OF THE THINGS THAT IT PROVIDES, BUT IN EFFECT, IT GIVES SOMEONE THE AUTHORITY TO ACT AS A STATE OFFICER IN ENFORCING THOSE PUBLIC HEALTH LAWS. 
          >> DR. HUANG, DO YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION? 
          >> I WOULD CONCUR WITH WHAT TRAVIS WAS SAYING. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU READ THIS STATUTE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING AS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT IN TERMS OF REPORTING OF REPORTABLE CONDITIONS, CONTAGIOUS DISEASES. 
          THEN SOMETIMES, WE DO ENCOUNTER SOME OF THE QUARANTINE AUTHORITY SITUATIONS, EVEN IN NON EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, WHERE WE'VE HAD PERSONS WITH TUBERCULOSIS WHO AREN'T COOPERATING IN TERMS OF SOME OF THEIR TREATMENT, AND SO THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE WE ISSUE SOME ISOLATION QUARANTINE TYPE OF AUTHORITY. 
          BUT IT REALLY IS JUST VERY MUCH JUST STRENGTHENING THE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CITY AND IT'S INTERTWINED 
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WITH A LOT OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE DO JUST WITH DISEASE REPORTING, DISEASE INVESTIGATIONS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. 
          >> WELL, I CERTAINLY SUPPORT THE DESIGNATION OF A LOCAL OFFICIAL FOR THIS POSITION RATHER THAN ALLOWING IT TO DEFAULT TO A STATE OFFICIAL. 
          I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY PREFERABLE. 
          A QUESTION AS TO COORDINATION WITH OTHER COUNTIES. 
          AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY OCCUPIES PARTS OF THREE DIFFERENT COUNTIES, AND SO IF WE APPOINT AN INDIVIDUAL AS OUR CITY HEALTH AUTHORITY, WOULD THAT APPLY IN DENTON AND COLLIN COUNTIES, AND WOULD WE NEED ILAS WITH THOSE COUNTIES HEALTH DEPARTMENTS AS WELL. 
          >> IN THE LAST TIME THAT THIS AGREEMENT CAME, WE HAD ADDED THAT LANGUAGE. 
          THAT LANGUAGE DID NOT PREVIOUSLY EXIST, AND WE ENCOUNTERED THAT DURING COVID, WHERE IT WAS NOT CLEAR EXACTLY HOW THAT WORKED, AND SO WE ADDED THAT THIS APPLIES TO THE CITY OF DALLAS, BOTH INSIDE DALLAS COUNTY AND IN ANY OTHER COUNTY THAT THE CITY OCCUPIES. 
          I KNOW THE PUBLIC HEALTH AUTHORITIES ALSO COORDINATE AND COLLABORATE WITH ONE ANOTHER, ESPECIALLY DURING LARGE SCALE EVENTS OR EMERGENCIES. 
          BUT AS FAR AS WHO'S OUR HEALTH AUTHORITY, IT APPLIES BOTH INSIDE THE CITY OR INSIDE THE COUNTY AND THE PORTIONS OF COLIN AND DENTON COUNTY. 
          >> WELL, DOES THAT REQUIRE ANY LEGAL COORDINATION WITH THOSE OTHER COUNTIES SO THAT THEY RECOGNIZE THAT OUR CITY DESIGNEE HAS AUTHORITY IN THEIR COUNTIES, OR DO WE JUST LEAVE IT TO A MORE INFORMAL COLLABORATION? 
          >> NO, I WOULD SAY THAT INDEPENDENT OF DR. HUANG BEING AN EMPLOYEE OF DALLAS COUNTY, LIKE IF WE NAMED SOMEONE ELSE, THE HEALTH AUTHORITY. 
          THEY WOULD STILL SERVICE ALL OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, INDEPENDENT OF WHAT COUNTY WE'RE IN. 
          IN THIS CASE, THOUGH, I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE STRONGER BECAUSE DR. HUANG HAS RELATIONSHIPS AND WORKS WITH THOSE HEALTH DEPARTMENTS IN THE BORDERING COUNTIES EACH AND EVERY DAY, AND SO IT MAKES GOOD SENSE FOR US TO MAKE THIS MOVE FOR THAT VERY REASON. 
          >> THANK YOU. I AM SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING THIS ON TO THE FULL COUNCIL. 
          >> THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          >> THANK YOU. ON PAGE 3, THERE'S A BULLET THAT SAYS, MAINTAIN SAME TERMS AS THE FISCAL YEAR 24/25 AGREEMENT. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THEN TO NOW THAT COULD STRENGTHEN THIS AGREEMENT OR THAT'S BEEN MISSING OR SUBSTANDARD OR ANYTHING, OR ARE WE GOOD WITH WHERE IT IS? 
          >> WE LOOK AT IT EVERY TIME THAT THIS COMES UP. 
          THIS YEAR, WE FELT THAT THE UPDATES THAT WE MADE IN THE 24/25 AGREEMENT, THERE WEREN'T ANY MAJOR CHANGES THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE. 
          I THINK IN THAT LAST AGREEMENT, WE DID MAKE SEVERAL WITH COVID IN THE REAR VIEW MIRROR OF LOOKING AT HOW WE WOULD HAVE DONE SOME THINGS DIFFERENT. 
          LIKE WE MENTIONED ADDING THE DENTON COLLIN COUNTY, ALSO MAKING SOME SPECIFICATIONS WITHIN THE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE ABOUT SPECIAL POPULATIONS, LIKE UNHOUSED INDIVIDUALS AND HOW WE INTERACT WITH THEM. 
          I THINK THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL AND IMPORTANT THING THAT THE AGREEMENT DOES IS IN THERE, THOUGH, AND WHAT WE'VE ADDED OVER THE YEARS, WHICH IS FOR ME, THE MOST IMPORTANT, WHICH IS ESTABLISHING THAT UNIFIED COMMAND, GETTING THE NOTIFICATIONS WITHIN 24 HOURS OF ANY PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY. 
          THOSE THINGS ARE IN THERE, AND SO WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT. 
          >> THANK YOU. AND I AGREE WITH CHAIR RIDLEY THAT I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD CD THIS TO THE STATE. 
          I MEAN, DR. HUANG YOU'VE BEEN TESTED BY FIRE. 
          WE'VE GONE THROUGH IT PANDEMIC. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING IN OUR CONTRACT THAT, I ASSUME YOU WORK WITH OUR CAPABLE TEAM ON THE TERMS OF THAT CONTRACT? 
          >> NO. I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE BEEN GOOD WITH IT AND HAPPY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AS IT'S WRITTEN. 
          >> WELL, I SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU. 
          >> I DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY, EITHER I JUST WANT TO JUST PUBLICLY SAY THANK YOU TO DR. HUANG. 
          YOU'VE BEEN WITH US AND THROUGH SOME OF THE BEST AND WORST TIMES WITH THE CITY, SO WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, AND I'M HAPPY TO ACCEPT A MOTION TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THIS FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          >> MR. CHAIR, I MOVE TO ADVANCE THIS ITEM TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL ON THE OCTOBER 22RD AGENDA WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF ADOPTION. 
          >> MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND PROPERLY SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? 
          >> AYE. 
          >> UNOPPOSED. ANY DISCUSSIONS? NEXT ITEM. 
          >> NEXT ITEM IS A PRESENTATION ON EXTRAORDINARY NEIGHBORHOOD EVENTS. 
          THIS IS A FOLLOW UP. 
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WE HAD A PRESENTATION TO THIS VERY SAME COMMITTEE BACK IN APRIL. 
          SINCE THEN, MULTI DEPARTMENTS WORKED ON THIS, AND WE ARE READY TO BRING A NEW UPDATE ON THIS. 
          THANK YOU. I'LL INVITE MY COLLEAGUES HERE. 
          >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND COMMITTEE. 
          I'M CHRIS CHRISTIAN, DIRECTOR OF CO COMPLIANCE SERVICES. 
          JOINING ME TODAY IS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR JEREMY REID. 
          TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR GUS C CARLY, MAJOR ASHFORD FROM THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND ANDREA FROM OUR PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT TEAM. 
          WE'RE HERE PROVIDING AN UPDATE ON EXTRAORDINARY NEIGHBORHOOD EVENTS, FOLLOWING THE COMMITTEE'S REQUEST FOR A REVIEW OF EXISTING POLICIES AND POTENTIAL CODE ENHANCEMENTS. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. TODAY'S PRESENTATION WILL COVER BACKGROUND, OPERATIONAL CONSIDERATIONS, SOME POLICY CONSIDERATIONS FOR POTENTIAL ORDINANCE AND CODE UPDATES, AND NEXT STEPS FOR COMMITTEE DIRECTION AND POLICY ALIGNMENT. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. IN APRIL OF 2025, THIS COMMITTEE REQUESTED A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF EXTRAORDINARY NEIGHBORHOOD EVENTS, EVENTS THAT EXCEED TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL GATHERINGS AND CREATE SUSTAINED COMMUNITY OR PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACTS. 
          CO COMPLIANCE AND THE TEAMS REPRESENTED HERE COLLABORATED TO REVIEW CURRENT SPECIAL EVENT PERMITTING PROCESSES UNDER CHAPTER 42A, AS WELL AS NEIGHBORHOOD ENFORCEMENT LOGISTICS AND RESOURCE IMPLICATIONS. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. TROUGH INTERDEPARTMENTAL DISCUSSIONS, SEVERAL OPERATIONAL CONCERNS EMERGED THAT MERIT POLICY ATTENTION. 
          LAND USE GAPS REGARDING PRIVATE EVENT VENUES, EXCESSIVE LIGHTING AS A NUISANCE, NOISE ENFORCEMENT LIMITATIONS, AND VALET AND PARKING CONGESTION IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES. 
          MOVING INTO ZONING. WE'LL LET ANDREA TAKE THIS SLIDE. 
          >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS ANDREA I'M DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR ZONING IN PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. 
          JUST A LITTLE SLIDE TO JUST GO OVER WHAT WE COULD DO ON CHAPTER 51 AND 51A. 
          FOR INSTANCE, WE CAN CONSIDER EXPANDING THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE AND OUTSIDE DEFINITIONS TO EXPLICITLY EXCLUDE VENUES THAT HOST PRIVATE EVENTS SUCH AS WEDDING BANQUETS OR RECEPTIONS. 
          WE CAN CONSIDER FURTHER CLARIFYING THE SINGLE FAMILY OR THE ACCESSORY USE SECTION TO ADD A PROHIBITION AGAINST OPERATION OF COMMERCIAL EVENT AT A RESIDENCE. 
          BUT WE ARE IN CLOSE COORDINATION WITH CODE COMPLIANCE AND SPECIAL EVENTS AND ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ADD THIS IN OUR UPCOMING ZONING REFORM TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WORKS WELL TOGETHER. 
          WE ALSO WANT TO TAKE A CUE FROM THE OTHER PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE OTHER CHAPTERS OF THE CODE. 
          I'LL HAND IT TO JEREMY REID. 
          >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND COMMITTEE, JEREMY REID AND DIRECTOR FOR CODE COMPLIANCE. 
          ON SLIDE 5, EXCESSIVE LIGHT AS A NUISANCE. 
          BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE IN PROPERTIES USING HIGH INTENSITY LIGHTING OR OTHER ATTRACTIONS THAT CREATE SUSTAINED PUBLIC GATHERINGS, CONGESTION, ESPECIALLY DURING LATE HOURS THAT HAVE A NUISANCE EFFECT ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, WE RECOMMEND EXPLORING AN ADDITION TO CHAPTER 27 TO DEFINE EXCESSIVE ILLUMINATION AS A NUISANCE. 
          FOR SUCH CONSIDERATION, WE RECOMMEND CRITERIA TO INCLUDE FOR ENFORCEMENT, DOCUMENTED COMPLAINTS FROM MULTIPLE PROPERTY OWNERS, INSPECTOR OBSERVATIONS OF SUSTAINED CROWDING OR CONGESTION, AND PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS VALIDATED BY DPD OR OTHER EMERGENCY PERSONNEL. 
          THIS CHANGE COULD PROVIDE CODE COMPLIANCE WITH A CLEARER AUTHORITY TO ADDRESS CHRONIC LIGHTING RELATED NUISANCES IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          ANOTHER CONSIDERATION THAT WE SUGGEST LOOKING INTO WOULD BE ESTABLISHING A MEASURABLE ILLUMINATION THRESHOLD TO GUIDE ENFORCEMENT FOR CODE COMPLIANCE. 
          FOR RESIDENTIAL ZONES, WE WOULD PROPOSE CONSIDERING A RANGE OF THAT'S 0.3 TO 0.5 FOOT CANDLES AT THE PROPERTY LINE, MEASURED AT FIVE FEET ABOVE GRADE. 
          THIS RANGE ALIGNS WITH COMPARABLE STANDARDS IN OTHER TEXAS CITIES. 
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A CLEAR THRESHOLD WOULD HELP ENSURE CONSISTENCY AND DEFENSIBILITY AND FAIRNESS IN ENFORCEMENT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          TO JUST RECOVER THE TOPIC OF NOISE GENERALLY, THE MAIN VIOLATION IN THE DALLAS CITY CODE HINGES IN CHAPTER 30, LOUD AND DISTURBING NOISES THAT ARE OFFENSIVE TO THE ORDINARY SENSIBILITIES OF INHABITANTS OF THE CITY. 
          SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE ALREADY DONE IN RECENT HISTORY IS TO CREATE CODE COMPLIANCES NIGHTTIME ENTERTAINMENT TEAM SORRY, TO ADDRESS NOISE RELATED CONCERNS IN THE PUBLIC SPACES, OUR PUBS, CLUBS, AND BARS. 
          THESE ARE ENTERTAINMENT VENUE CORRIDORS. 
          WE'VE ALSO ADDED NOISE TO BE AN ELIGIBLE OFFENSE UNDER OUR HABITUAL NUISANCE PROPERTY DESIGNATION ALSO LISTED IN CHAPTER 27. 
          NEXT SLIDE, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MAJOR ASHFORD. 
          >> THANK YOU. MAJOR POLLY ASHFORD FOR DALLAS PD NORTH CENTRAL DIVISION. 
          OPERATIONALLY, THERE CONTINUES TO BE CHALLENGES REMAINING IN ENFORCING NOISE FROM MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT OR UNPERMITTED OUTDOOR AMPLIFIERS. 
          OUR NEXT STEPS TO HELP TO MITIGATE SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES INCLUDE BASICALLY SHOWING UP SOME OF THE PROCESSES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE FOR 311. 
          BASICALLY WHEN OUR 311, WHEN OUR MPOS RECEIVE A MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS REGARDING A LOCATION. 
          THEY'LL SEND A NOISE EXCUSE ME, A NOISE COMPLAINT NOTICE TO THE OWNER OF THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION, AND IT'S GOING TO STATE BASICALLY THAT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS RECEIVED THE REPEATED COMPLAINTS OF LOUD AND DISTURBING NOISE AT THE PROPERTY AND SUCH DISTURBANCES MAY VIOLATE SECTION 30.1 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE, WHICH PROHIBITS LOUD AND DISTURBING NOISES OR VIBRATIONS. 
          THIS NOTICE WILL GO ON TO SAY THAT VIOLATIONS OF THE ABOVE ORDINANCE MAY LEAD TO ESCALATED ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS UP TO AND INCLUDING THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION BEING DESIGNATED AS A HABITUAL NUISANCE PROPERTY. 
          ANOTHER NEXT STEP THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS PROSECUTORIAL TRAINING WITHIN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR NEXT MONTH IN NOVEMBER TO ADDRESS EVIDENCE REQUIRED TO SUPPORT NOISE VIOLATIONS. 
          FINALLY, ANOTHER NEXT STEP WOULD INCLUDE CREATING POLICY OPTIONS TO CLASSIFY MECHANICAL LOUD SPEAKERS IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS AS PRESUMED OFFENSIVE DURING DEFINED NIGHTTIME HOURS. 
          THIS WILL ALSO CREATE CLEARER STANDARDS FOR ENFORCEMENT AND RESIDENTIAL PROTECTIONS. NEXT SLIDE. 
          >> GOOD MORNING. GASCON CARY, DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS. 
          ON THE VALET AND PARKING, CURRENTLY THE VALET OPERATIONS, THE LICENSING DOESN'T APPLY TO THE OCCASIONAL VALET PARKING SERVICE AT A PRIVATE RESIDENCE OR IN CONNECTION WITH A SOCIAL OR FUNDRAISING ACTIVITY OR ANY OPERATION ON A PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          PARKING VIOLATIONS ARE BASICALLY, AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, IT PERMITS TOWING FOR ANY CHAPTER 28 VIOLATIONS, AND IT DOES NOT APPLY TO PARKING ON APPROVED SURFACE VIOLATIONS. 
          THEN AS FAR AS PARKING ON THE CITY THOROUGHFARE PLAN, THE CITY ORDINANCE RESTRICTS PARKING ON MAJOR AND MINOR ARTERIAL STREETS, BUT THERE IS NO ORDINANCE AT THE MOMENT THAT MAKES IT A VIOLATION. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AT THIS STAGE, THESE ARE POLICY CONSIDERATIONS, RATHER THAN FORMAL RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          WE'RE SEEKING THE COMMITTEE'S GUIDANCE ON WHICH AREAS YOU WOULD LIKE STAFF TO PRIORITIZE AND FURTHER DEVELOP INTO PROPOSE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE FOR POTENTIAL CODE AMENDMENTS FOR YOUR REVIEW AT A LATER DATE. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. BASED ON THE COMMITTEE'S FEEDBACK TODAY, THE TEAM WILL COLLABORATE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, DRAFT THE LANGUAGE FOR THE CODE AMENDMENTS, AND WILL RETURN TO COMMITTEE NOVEMBER 17, 2025, WITH THE RECOMMENDED ORDINANCE LANGUAGE FOR YOUR REVIEW. 
          THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION, AND WE WILL REMAIN HERE FOR QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. START TO MY RIGHT WITH CHAIR WEST. 
          >> I THINK I'M GOOD. I MAY HAVE SOME FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS TO STAFF. THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          >> CHAIR WHITLEY. 
          >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ON SLIDE 5, THE SECOND BULLET SPEAKS OF A PROHIBITION 
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AGAINST OPERATION OF A COMMERCIAL EVENT AT A RESIDENCE, AND I THINK THIS IS FOR YOU, ANDREA. 
          DO WE HAVE AN EXISTING DEFINITION IN OUR CODE ANYWHERE THAT DESCRIBES A COMMERCIAL EVENT IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT? 
          >> NO. WE JUST HAVE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE AND IT'S A BUNCH OF DEFINITIONS. 
          THERE'S AN AMUSEMENT CENTER. 
          I DON'T THINK LIKE A PARTY AT SOMEBODY'S HOUSE. 
          SOMEBODY'S HOUSE WOULD CLASSIFY FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT IS FOR COIN OPERATED MACHINES. 
          BUT WE HAVE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE, THAT'S A BROAD ONE, AND THEN WE HAVE DENSE HALLS, BUT THOSE HAVE DEFENSE TO PROSECUTION FOR A PARTY AT SOMEBODY'S RESIDENCE. 
          THOSE ARE AREAS OF IMPROVEMENT. 
          >> ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT CRITERIA YOU WOULD PUT INTO OBVIOUSLY, WE'D HAVE TO DEVELOP A DEFINITION IN ANY ORDINANCE HERE. 
          ANY THOUGHT AS TO WHAT CRITERIA WE SHOULD USE TO DEFINE A COMMERCIAL EVENT. 
          >> I WOULDN'T SPECULATE RIGHT NOW. 
          WE WILL EXPLORE ALL OF THOSE. 
          AS I SAID, IT REALLY DEPENDS HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH OTHER CHAPTERS OF THE CODE AND OTHER ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WE WANT TO ACHIEVE. 
          DO WE WANT TO PROHIBIT ANY TYPE OF PARTY? BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT PARTIES THAT ARE HOSTED BY THE OWNER FOR THE PURPOSES OF, I DON'T KNOW, FAMILY OR WHATEVER. 
          I THINK THAT MAY BE PROBABLY A CLARIFICATION. 
          AS WE SAID, WE WOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT DEFINITIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS FOR SINGLE FAMILY OR ACCESSORY USES TO SAY THAT I DON'T KNOW COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT IS NOT AN ACCESSORY USE TO SINGLE FAMILY USE OR RESIDENTIAL USE, FOR INSTANCE. 
          >> WELL, THAT DEFINITION IS GOING TO HAVE TO THREAD A PRETTY NARROW LINE BECAUSE IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, WE NOW ALLOW HOME OFFICE USE LIMITED BY PARKING AND SIGNAGE, AND OTHER RESTRICTIONS, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO INTERFERE WITH THOSE OPERATIONS. 
          WE NEED TO HAVE A DEFINITION THAT LEAVES THOSE IN PLACE WHILE WE ADDRESS THE NUISANCE FACTOR HERE. 
          WITH REGARD TO EXCESSIVE LIGHT AS A NUISANCE, I SEE THAT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT APPROACHES HERE. 
          ONE IS AN OBJECTIVE CANDLE POWER LIMITATION. 
          THE OTHER IS A SUBJECTIVE APPROACH AS TO WHETHER IT'S CAUSING PEOPLE TO ASSEMBLE THERE OR A TRAFFIC. 
          MY CONCERN ABOUT THE SUBJECTIVE ONE IS THAT IT'S VERY VAGUE. 
          HAVEN'T SEEN THE LANGUAGE YET, BUT JUST AS YOU'VE OUTLINED IT, HOW DO YOU DEFINE EXCESSIVE TRAFFIC? IT'S GOING TO VARY BY THE LOCATION, THE TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES, THE WIDTH OF THE STREET, AND SOMEONE'S PERCEPTION OF WHETHER IT'S EXCESSIVE. 
          I AM IN FAVOR OF SOME REGULATION HERE. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO FERRET OUT WHAT'S THE BEST APPROACH. 
          ON THE OTHER HAND, THE OBJECTIVE STANDARD OF EXCESSIVE LIGHT COULD LOOP IN PEOPLE'S SECURITY LIGHTS, WHICH CAN BE VERY INTENSE AND COULD EXCEED A NORMAL CANDLE POWER LIMIT, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE THAT LIGHTING. 
          IT'S THE LIGHTING THAT ATTRACTS CROWDS. 
          MAYBE IT'S A MIX OF THESE TWO STANDARDS SOMEHOW. 
          BUT I THINK THAT'S A DETAIL THAT YOU NEED TO ADDRESS IN THE DRAFTING PROCESS. 
          WHAT ARE THE PROPOSALS, IF ANY, ABOUT REGULATING VALET PARKING? WHY IS THAT IN HERE? 
          >> CURRENTLY, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY ORDINANCE THAT I KNOW OF THAT REGULATES VALET PARKING IN PRIVATE RESIDENCES. 
          I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING IS TO START LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY SOME ORDINANCE THAT PUTS SOME ORDER, IF YOU WILL, ON ACTIVITIES LIKE THAT IN NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          >> WELL, IS THAT PART OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT YOU'VE BEEN RECEIVING IS THAT THERE ARE INCONVENIENCES TO NEIGHBORS BY VALET PARKING? 
          >> THAT IS CORRECT. WE'VE RECEIVED SOME COMPLAINTS, 
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IF YOU WANT TO CALL THEM, OR INQUIRIES ABOUT THIS ITEM. 
          CERTAINLY, WE CAN SEE WHY THAT COULD BE SOME CHALLENGE IN SOME LOCATIONS. 
          >> WHAT REGULATIONS WOULD YOU SUGGEST TO REGULATE THE VALET PARKING? JUST PERMITTING IT OR? 
          >> WE'RE STILL LOOKING INTO WHAT OPTIONS. 
          HOWEVER, WE DID SOME HIGH LEVEL SEARCH, AND THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT DO HAVE SOME REGULATIONS OF SOME SORT IN NEIGHBORHOODS, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU LIMIT IT TO ONE DAY AND YOU LIMIT IT TO MAXIMUM FOUR PER YEAR OR SOMETHING PER RESIDENCE OR PER APPLICANT. 
          THESE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT AGAIN, WHAT MY COLLEAGUE DIRECTOR CHRISTIAN MENTIONED IS WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THESE THINGS, DOING SOME RESEARCH. 
          AS YOU POINTED OUT, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE PROPOSING SOMETHING, IT DOES NOT HAVE A COUNTERPRODUCTIVE OUTCOME. 
          >> I ASSUME THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY IS GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS. 
          HAVE YOU ALREADY BEEN SPEAKING WITH THEM ABOUT HOW TO DEVELOP CRITERIA FOR THESE REGULATIONS OR SUFFICIENT SPECIFICITY TO AVOID ATTACKS ON VAGUENESS GROUNDS? 
          >> WE HAVE, COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY, AND PART OF THE REASON WE'RE HERE TODAY IS JUST REALLY TO GET THE DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL OF WHICH ITEMS YOU WANT US TO PURSUE, AND YOU ACTUALLY WANT US TO DRAFT LANGUAGE FOR SO THAT WE CAN FLESH THAT OUT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, PREPARE THAT LANGUAGE, AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU TO SEE. 
          >> WELL, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF NOISE AND LIGHT REGULATIONS AS WELL AS LOOKING AT VALET PERMITTING AND REGULATIONS THERE. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK. 
          >> THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIS. 
          >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. THIS IS REALLY ABOUT PROTECTING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE PEACE OF OUR RESIDENTS. 
          THERE ARE LOTS OF EVENTS THAT BRING COMMUNITIES TOGETHER THAT HELP BENEFIT A SCHOOL OR NEIGHBORHOOD BEAUTIFICATION. 
          THIS IS NOT ABOUT THAT. 
          THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE SWEET EVENTS THAT BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER AND REALLY BUILD A SENSE OF COMMUNITY. 
          THIS IS ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SOME THINGS REALLY TESTING THE LIMITS WHAT GOES ON IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND WE'VE HAD SOME BAD ACTORS OUT THERE THAT ARE REALLY EXPLOITING NEIGHBORHOODS AND NEIGHBORS. 
          THIS IS REALLY A CALL TO ALL DISTRICTS TO SAY THAT THIS COULD HAPPEN ANYWHERE, AND THAT IS WHAT THIS IS REALLY BORN OF. 
          THIS IS ALSO ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN SHORT TERM RENTALS, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WHILE WE'VE GOT A LAWSUIT GOING ON, AND WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH. 
          WE'VE GOT FIFA COMING, AND I THINK EVERY DISTRICT IS GOING TO SEE THIS EXPLODE DURING THAT TIME PERIOD NEXT YEAR. 
          IF YOU'RE NOT EXPERIENCING SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS NOW, I HAVE A FEELING IT MAY BE COMING YOUR WAY. 
          JUST SO THE COMMITTEE KNOWS, YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS WAS BRIEFED IN APRIL AND WE HAD HOPED TO HAVE IT AGAIN IN JUNE OR IN AUGUST, AND COMMITTEES JUST WEREN'T BACK TOGETHER. 
          WE WERE REALLY HOPING TO MOVE SOME THINGS ALONG AND CONSIDER, BUT I'VE CONTINUED WORKING WITH THIS TEAM OVER THE SUMMER AND CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, COMMUNITY PROSECUTION. 
          I APPRECIATE YOU ALL'S WORK AND DEDICATION TO BRINGING THIS TO US TODAY BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF REFINEMENT HERE. 
          BUT I WOULD SAY THE QUESTIONS ARE AROUND LAND USE ON PAGE 5, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A COMMERCIAL EVENT AND DEFINING A COMMERCIAL EVENT SO THAT WE DON'T STEP ON ANY OF THE GREAT LITTLE EVENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN NEIGHBORHOODS, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US TAKE A LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT HAS A NUMBER OF ATTENDEES, PERHAPS OVER A CERTAIN NUMBER OF NIGHTS. 
          BECAUSE IF IT'S A 3 OR 4-DAY HOME TOUR, NOBODY WANTS TO CRAMP THAT. 
          BUT IF IT'S A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS OF ONGOING, LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE COMING TO A NEIGHBORHOOD ASK ME HOW I KNOW. 
          THAT'S A CONCERN, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A CONCERN OF ANY NEIGHBORHOOD OR DISTRICT. 
          I'D LOVE TO SEE IF WE COULD PUT SOME PARAMETERS AROUND THAT TO BRING BACK FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          ON EXCESSIVE LIGHTS, ON PAGE 6, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW THERE'S COMMERCIAL LIGHTING. 
          THERE'S EVENT OR ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT BEHAVIOR COMING INTO NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          DOES THIS ADDRESS STROBE LIGHTS? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A CONSTANT FOOT CANDLE. 
          THAT IS REALLY DISRUPTIVE IN BEDROOM WINDOWS. 
          DOES THIS ACCOUNT FOR THAT? 
          >> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCILMEMBER. 
          I WOULD SAY ON SLIDE 6, IT MIGHT ADDRESS THAT IF THAT IS THE ATTRACTION THAT IS RESULTING IN SUSTAINED GATHERINGS OR, 
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TRAFFIC CONGESTION ON A STREET, THAT THING, PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS. 
          NO, WE HAVE NOT DRAFTED ANYTHING YET WITH STROBES IN IT, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY CONSIDER THAT. 
          >> WELL, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU DO THAT AND NOT JUST IF IT'S GOT A SUSTAINED GATHERING. 
          I THINK ABOUT ANY NEIGHBORHOOD, EVEN IF IT'S JUST SOMEBODY DOING THAT. 
          A STROBE LIGHT IS VERY DISTURBING TO THOSE WHO ARE IMMEDIATELY AROUND IT. 
          THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS WE TALK ABOUT AT THE STREET FIVE FEET UP, ETC. 
          BUT WHAT ABOUT OVER INTO AIRSPACE? BECAUSE I'VE GOT FOLKS WHO LIVE ALMOST A MILE AWAY WHO NORMALLY DON'T PULL DOWN A SHADE AT NIGHT, BUT HAVE TO WHEN THIS HOME IS LIT UP TO THE EXTENT THAT IT IS, ALMOST A MILE AWAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW WE MONITOR THAT AIRSPACE, BUT WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE A LOOK INTO NOT JUST MEASURING AT THE STREET, BUT MAYBE WHAT THE AMBIENT EFFECT IS. 
          DO OTHER COMMUNITIES DO THAT? 
          >> WE HAVE NOT, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          I WOULD SAY IT WILL LIKELY BRING UP ENFORCEMENT CHALLENGES. 
          WE HAVE THE SAME TYPES OF CHALLENGES WITH NOISE, AND OUR CURRENT CODE FOR NOISE WORKS THE SAME WAY, WHERE IN THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE WE CAN USE A DECIBEL READER TO GAUGE WHETHER OR NOT THE NOISE EMITTING FROM A PROPERTY IS OVER THE THRESHOLD, HAS TO BE TAKEN AT THAT BOUNDING PROPERTY LINE OR DIRECTLY ACROSS THE ADJACENT RIGHT OF WAY. 
          WE'VE MIMICKED THE LIGHT. 
          THE IDEA CODE HERE IN THE SAME WAY. 
          I WOULD GUESS THAT WE MIGHT RUN INTO CHALLENGES LIKE THAT, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT, SEE IF ANY OTHER JURISDICTIONS HAVE THAT TYPE OF LANGUAGE. 
          >> PLEASE KEEP LOOKING. THE OTHER THING ON PAGE 8 AROUND SHORT TERM RENTALS, IF THEY'RE USED, WELL, NOT ONLY FOR AN EVENT SPACE, WHICH WE KNOW IS AN ILLEGAL LAND USE, BUT IN A WAY, THIS IS GIVING US MORE TOOLS TO BE WHILE THIS IS GOING THROUGH THE COURTS, TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE PEACE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          BUT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TURNING THIS OVER TO A NUISANCE THAT WOULD INVOLVE A CITATION, I THINK FROM DPD. 
          THE ISSUE WE HAVE IS THE TIMES THAT THESE EVENTS ARE THE MOST DISRUPTIVE IN NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THE TIMES WHEN DPD IS THE MOST OCCUPIED WITH PRIORITY 1 AND PRIORITY 2 CALLS. 
          IS THERE ANY WAY THAT IF CODE HAS IDENTIFIED A NOISE DISRUPTION THAT HAS GONE ON REPEATEDLY WEEKEND AFTER WEEKEND AT OUR PROPERTY, THAT DPD CAN HAVE A FAST TRACK TO SAY, THIS MERITS, IT'S HAPPENING NOW, AND WE NEED TO DISPATCH SOMEONE TO WRITE A CITATION SO THAT THIS CAN START MOVING TOWARD SOMETHING WITH MORE TEETH, WHICH MIGHT BE HABITUAL NUISANCE. 
          >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, MAYOR PRO TEM WAS THE FACT THAT ONCE MPOS DO GET REPEATED COMPLAINTS FROM A SPECIFIC LOCATION, THEY'RE BASICALLY PUTTING GETTING SOME TEETH THAT THEY HAVE. 
          THEY CAN ISSUE A NOISE COMPLAINT NOTICE TO THESE OWNERS OF THESE HABITUAL NOISE VIOLATIONS, THESE LOCATIONS THAT HAVE HABITUAL NOISE VIOLATIONS. 
          BASICALLY, FOR THE MOST PART, ONCE THEY GET THIS NOTICE, THEY'RE MADE AWARE, HEY, YOU'RE GOING TO BE PLACED ON OR DESIGNATED AS A PROPERTY THAT IS A HABITUAL NUISANCE PROPERTY. 
          THEY CAN BASICALLY BE PUT ON NOTICE THAT, HEY, YOU CAN GET SHUT DOWN, IF THE SITUATION IS NOT RECTIFIED. 
          >> WHAT I WOULD SHARE WITH COLLEAGUES IS THAT HAVING MULTIPLE NOTICES, WHICH MEANS MULTIPLE NEIGHBORHOOD DISRUPTIONS, AND THEN THEY GET THIS LETTER, WHICH I HAVEN'T READ THE COPY ON THIS ONE, I DON'T THINK, BUT SOMETIMES OUR LETTERS ARE A LITTLE TOO FRIENDLY. 
          IT'S LIKE AN INVITATION TO A GARDEN PARTY VERSUS, WE'RE GOING TO SHUT YOU DOWN IF YOU KEEP DOING THIS. 
          WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS THIS LAG WHERE THE PERSON WHO'S ABUSING THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ALL THE LEEWAY AND THE NEIGHBORS SUFFER. 
          THAT'S WHERE I WOULD WANT TO SEE HOW WE CAN CLOSE THAT TO WHERE THEY'RE GETTING CLOSER TO THIS CITATION IF THEY'VE HAD MULTIPLE WARNINGS. 
          WHAT I WOULD ALSO TELL COLLEAGUES IS THAT IF SOMEONE'S HOSTING EVENTS, AND IT'S LUCRATIVE TO THEM, LITTLE LETTER WITH A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLAR CITATION, DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THEY'RE MAKING A LOT MORE MONEY OFF OF THIS. 
          THEY'RE HAPPY TO GET IT, PAY IT, AND JUST CONTINUE. 
          MR. CHRISTIAN, LOOKS LIKE YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS, MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIS, AND THANK YOU, MAJOR ASHFORD. 
          FOR US IN CO COMPLIANCE UNDER CHAPTER 27, OUR HABITUAL NUISANCE DESIGNATION PROGRAM REQUIRES THAT WE HAVE THREE CITATIONS TO MEET THE THRESHOLD TO ESCALATE TO THAT LEVEL OF ENFORCEMENT. 
          WE WOULD NEED TO GET THOSE THREE CRIMINAL CITATIONS ISSUED FOR REPETITIVE NOISE BURDEN. 
          >> FROM DPD? 
          >> YES, SO THAT'S A DISTINCTION. 
          >> WE WOULD NEED TO TALK INTERNALLY, HOW WE CAN WORK WITH DPD AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO GET 
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THOSE THREE CRIMINAL CITATIONS TO THEN PROVE THE HABITUAL NUISANCE CASE UNDER OUR CHAPTER 27. 
          >> THIS IS AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION I WANT COLLEAGUES TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT AGAIN, IT'S HAPPENING AT THE TIME WHEN DPD IS HIGHLY OCCUPIED WITH IMMINENT LOSS OF LIFE CALLS AND HERE WE'VE GOT THIS NOISE COMPLAINT, BUT IF IT'S GOING ON OVER, HOW DO WE GO ON AND FAST TRACK SOMETHING TO WHERE IT'S LIKE, WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS. 
          IT'S HAPPENING NOW. WE NEED THAT CRIMINAL CITATION. 
          >> I THINK THE PROSECUTORIAL TRAINING THAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO GET IN NOVEMBER WILL HELP BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY ATTORNEYS AND THE MUNICIPAL COURTS IS GOING TO PUT ON FOR US AND CODE AND ALSO DPD TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT THE EVIDENCE THAT THEY NEED, WHAT'S REQUIRED. 
          ONCE WE HAVE A REALLY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE COURTS NEED FROM US, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TOGETHER OF HOW WE CAN GET THERE WITH THE CRIMINAL CITATIONS AND MOVE IT FORWARD. 
          >> I WANT TO SWITCH GEARS NOW TO VALET AND TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS. 
          IF IT'S YOUR PROPERTY AND YOU'RE HAVING AN EVENT, A FUNDRAISER, OR SOMETHING, IT'S OKAY. 
          I MEAN, WHEN NOBODY WANTS TO CRAMP YOUR STYLE OR REIN ON THAT PARADE. 
          IT'S WHEN IT'S GETTING AT THIS EVENT USE IN STRS, WHERE THEY'RE HOSTING EVENTS THAT ARE LUCRATIVE, AND THERE'S VALET PARKING AND IT'S SPILLING INTO NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THIS IS ANOTHER MECHANISM THE CITY MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE WHILE THIS WORKS ITS WAY THROUGH THE COURTS TO BE ABLE TO PUT SOME GUARD RAILS UP. 
          IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT? 
          >> THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS, MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIS. 
          I THINK WITH THE VALET PARKING, IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE HOMEOWNER, BEING THE ONE WHO IS RUNNING THE VALET OR HOSTING THE VALET FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE HAVING AT THEIR HOME. 
          I THINK AS LONG AS WE HAVE THAT LANGUAGE, THEN WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SET SOME BOUNDARIES AROUND EVENT USES, THE VALLEY PARKING. 
          IS BECAUSE WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A HOME OWNER, YOU TYPICALLY HAVE A RENTER OF SOME SORT. 
          IF IT'S A SHORT WHETHER IT'S A VACATION RENTAL OR A SHORT TERM RENTAL, IF IT'S A RENTER, RENTING A HOME, THEN WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DETERMINE SOME LANGUAGE TO RESTRICT THOSE TYPE OF EVENTS FOR HOMEOWNERS ONLY WHO OWN THOSE PROPERTIES. 
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          >> TWO MORE VERY QUICK POINTS. 
          THE OTHER ISSUE, GOING BACK TO THE NUMBER OF ATTENDEES AND THE NUMBER OF NIGHTS. 
          IN A SITUATION THAT WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW A HOMEOWNER WHO IS CREATING THE DISTURBANCE DOES NOT HAVE TO PULL A PERMIT. 
          THEY CAN DO SOMETHING, NOT CHARGE ADMISSION. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO PULL A PERMIT, AND THEIR NEIGHBORS HAVE TO PAY FOR SECURITY, AND THEIR NEIGHBORS HAVE TO PAY FOR ALL OF THE MANAGEMENT OF SOMETHING. 
          THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO GET AT THE NUMBER OF ATTENDEES OVER A NUMBER OF NIGHTS. 
          IT CAN BE EXTREME. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO HURT OUR SWEET NEIGHBORHOOD EVENTS, BUT THIS IS WHY THAT PERSON IT SEEMS LIKE SHOULD SHARE IN OR FUND WHAT IT'S COSTING NEIGHBORS, OTHERWISE, AND TAXPAYERS, QUITE FRANKLY, WE WERE ALL PAYING FOR THIS LAST YEAR. 
          THEN FINALLY, I WOULD SAY, COLLEAGUES, I'VE HEARD A LOT, I THINK HAS THIS IN OUR APRIL MEETING. 
          THIS IS AFFECTING DIFFERENT DISTRICTS IN DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT DISRUPTIONS. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO ASK INSTEAD OF THIS COMING BACK IN NOVEMBER TO THIS COMMITTEE THAT WE HAVE THIS BRIEFING WITH YOUR PROPOSED LANGUAGE TO THE FULL BODY SO THAT WE REALLY CAN EXPLORE THE DEPTH AND BREADTH OF HOW DIFFERENT SITUATIONS ARE TOUCHING DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD THINGS ABOUT TRAIL RIDES. 
          I'VE HEARD ABOUT OTHER EVENTS THAT MIGHT AFFECT OTHERS. 
          I FEEL THIS IS READY FOR A DISCUSSION. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE BRING THIS TO A FULL COUNCIL BRIEFING. 
          >> IS THAT A MOTION? 
          >> YES. 
          >> MOTION IS MADE AND PROPERLY SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? YES, I SEE. 
          >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I DON'T SUPPORT THE MOTION TO GO TO FULL COUNCIL. 
          I THINK THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT PRELIMINARY. 
          WE OFTEN TALK, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE GET IN AS A BODY THAT THE VETTING AND THE REAL DIGGING INTO POLICY DECISIONS SHOULD BE DONE AT A COMMITTEE LEVEL. 
          I THINK THAT THIS IS EXTREMELY PREMATURE WITHOUT HAVING ANY POTENTIAL LANGUAGE FOR US TO ACTUALLY VET AND MOVE FORWARD WITH. 
          I ALSO THINK THAT ESPECIALLY WHAT I'VE TAKEN FROM THIS DISCUSSION IS THAT THERE'S SOME CONFLATING IN WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY ADDRESSING AND IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STRS, AND I KNOW THAT THIS CONVERSATION ISN'T ABOUT STRS. 
          I'D LIKE FOR US TO ALSO HAVE SOME CLARITY SPECIFICALLY TO WHAT IT IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BRING TO THE FULL BODY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE SEPARATING THOSE TWO SUBJECTS PRETTY DEFINITIVELY SO THAT WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS ACCORDINGLY. 
          BUT FOR THAT REASON, I DO BELIEVE, OF COURSE, WE HAVE A LOT MORE CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD IN THIS REALM. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S WAY TOO SOON TO SAY, LET'S SEND IT TO FULL BODY. 
          WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT IT, PROBABLY BEING MULTIPLE ITERATIONS OF THE FULL BODY WORKING THROUGH WHAT SHOULD 
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BE VETTED AT A COMMITTEE LEVEL. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          >> THANK YOU. CHAIR RIDLEY, I'M SORRY. 
          >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN BAZALDUA. 
          IT'S PREMATURE TO TAKE THIS TO THE FULL COUNCIL. 
          WE HAVE BEEN ASKING QUESTIONS, AND IT'S CLEAR THAT WE DON'T HAVE DEFINITIONS YET. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ACTUAL LANGUAGE. 
          WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE GOING TO BE. 
          I THINK WE STILL HAVE MORE COMMITTEE WORK TO DO. 
          WHILE I HAVE THE MIC, THERE ARE JUST TWO QUICK COMMENTS FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, HAVE, AND THAT IS THAT VIOLATIONS NEED TO BE ON A DAILY BASIS. 
          IF AN ACTIVITY IS CITED ON DAY 1 AND IT CONTINUES ON DAY 2, THAT'S A SEPARATE VIOLATION AND A SEPARATE CITATION. 
          SECONDLY, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THE IMPACT ON OSE LICENSED OR PERMITTED EVENTS? FOR EXAMPLE, IF A NEIGHBORHOOD DECIDES TO HAVE A BLOCK PARTY, FOR A SUMMER EVENT. 
          WE DON'T WANT THEM TO BE SUBJECT TO THIS ORDINANCE, SO THERE HAS TO BE AN EXCEPTION FOR EVENTS THAT ARE ALREADY PERMITTED BY OSE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE CONFLICT HERE BETWEEN THEIR ACTIONS AND GRANTING PERMITS AND THIS ORDINANCE. 
          >> THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER [INAUDIBLE] I COULDN'T THINK OF IT. 
          >> IT'S OKAY. IT'S EARLY IN THE DAY STILL. 
          I ACTUALLY, ALSO, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO MY COLLEAGUE, I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE BIT PREMATURE TO BRING THIS TO THE COUNCIL FOR MORE FORMAL BRIEFING. 
          I STILL AM NOT CLEAR OF UNDERSTANDING THE COMPLETE SCOPE OF THE PROBLEM HERE, AND I THINK IT REQUIRES A LOT MORE VETTING. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS, AFTER THIS VOTE SO THAT I COULD GET SOME MORE INFORMATION FROM THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE PRESENTING. 
          >> ANY MORE DISCUSSIONS ON THE MOTION? YES. 
          >> WHAT I WOULD SHARE WITH COLLEAGUES, AND THE REASON I BROUGHT THIS UP IS THAT IF WE ARE DEVELOPING POLICY, THIS INVOLVES SOME PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE CAN'T SUPPOSE TO KNOW ABOUT OTHER DISTRICTS. 
          THAT IS REALLY THE IMPETUS HERE IS THAT THROUGH THE COURSE OF THIS, EVEN AT THE APRIL MEETING, I HEARD THINGS FROM DISTRICT 11. 
          I HEARD THINGS FROM DISTRICT EIGHT. 
          I HEARD OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY AFFECTING THE DISTRICT THAT I REPRESENT, BUT THAT DEFINITELY ARE IMPACTED IN A SIMILAR WAY. 
          WE CAN GO THROUGH THE DEPTH OF THIS, AND IT JUST PUTS THE ONUS ON STAFF TO EXPLORE THIS WITH THOSE WHO AREN'T REPRESENTED ON THIS COMMITTEE TO BE SURE THAT WE ARE EXHAUSTING. 
          WHAT ARE ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT COULD BE TOUCHED BY SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT MAY NOT FIT THE SAME CRITERIA THAT I'VE DESCRIBED. 
          BUT THAT WHEN WE DO COME BACK TO CONSIDER THE POLICY, THAT IT IS COMPLETE, BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT IS ALL WELL AND GOOD WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING AT THIS HORSESHOE, BUT MAY NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT SOME OTHER PARTS OF TOWN EXPERIENCE. 
          THAT IS WHY I BROUGHT THIS UP. 
          >> THANK YOU. ANY MORE DISCUSSIONS ON THE MOTION? IF THERE AREN'T ANY, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSE? AYE. WE WILL KEEP IT HERE. 
          WITH THAT, I WOULD TO DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEMPORE WILLIS'S POINT, I DO APPRECIATE THE PROACTIVENESS IN THIS DISCUSSION, AS WELL AS MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCIL MEMBER, BAZALDUA, MAKING SURE WE DON'T CONFLATE THESE TWO ISSUES, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE SOME RESTRICTION IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH CONVERSATION WE CAN HAVE AROUND STRS CURRENTLY, BUT THERE ARE SOME CURRENT ISSUES, REAL ISSUES, ESPECIALLY AS WE MOVE INTO THE HOLIDAY SEASON. 
          WITH THE LIGHTING AND SOME OF THOSE CONTINUED NUANCES OR NUISANCES THAT HAPPEN YEAR OVER YEAR, THAT WE CAN GO BACK AND FOCUS. 
          I WOULD ASK THAT STAFF COME BACK AND REACH OUT TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND PERHAPS COME UP WITH SOME COMMUNITY. 
          MAYBE YOU'VE ALREADY DONE IT, AND WE CAN JUST REFRESH OURSELVES ON THAT. 
          BUT IF YOU HAVEN'T, CREATE A WAY THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY SOME OF THOSE AREAS FOR SOME OF THE COLLEAGUES WHO DON'T SIT ON THIS COMMITTEE SO THAT WE CAN BRING ALL OF THAT BACK FOR A DISCUSSION, SO THAT WE CAN INCLUDE BECAUSE IT MAY NOT BE IN DISTRICT 3 THAT WE HAVE A HOLIDAY LIGHT THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MOON. 
          BUT THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER ISSUES TO MY COLLEAGUES POINT. 
          I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU COMING BACK AND COMING UP WITH A WAY THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY THOSE TYPE OF AREAS IN OUR DISTRICT. 
          >> THANK YOU CHAIR, I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS AND THE COMMENTS OF THE WHOLE BODY TODAY. 
          I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE HELPFUL FOR US TO GO BACK NOW WITH CLEAR GUIDANCE ON 
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EXACTLY WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS YOU HAVE AND WHAT YOU WANT US TO FLESH OUT MORE AND START WORKING ON THAT LANGUAGE INTERNALLY. 
          I GUESS I'D ALSO SAY THAT ARE YOU ASKING FOR STATUS LIKE 911 CALLS, CO COMPLIANCE REPORTS FOR NOISE, AFTER HOURS, RESIDENTIAL, LAND USE VIOLATIONS, HOW MANY HAVE WE SEEN ACROSS ALL COUNCIL DISTRICTS. 
          >> I THINK SOME OF THE AREAS WE'VE IDENTIFIED WAS LIGHTING, PARKING, NOISE, SOME AREAS THAT WE CAN START FROM THERE AND THEN SEE IF THERE ARE SOME OTHER AS WE GO THROUGH AND ASSESS OUR DISTRICT ASSESS THOSE 311 CALLS TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S AN OUTLIER THAT MAY BE SUBJECT THAT CAN FIT INTO THIS PROCESS. 
          >> PERFECT. 
          >> YEAH. 
          >> HAPPY TO DO THAT. 
          WE'LL BRING THAT DATA BACK WITH US WHEN WE COME IN NOVEMBER. PERFECT. 
          >> WE LEFT OFF IN THE DISCUSSION SIDE OF THINGS WITH COUNCIL MEMBER ROTH SO WE'RE BACK TO YOU, SIR. 
          >> THANK YOU. AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO GET MY ARMS AROUND THE SCOPE OF THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT IS THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE AND IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME THERE'S MULTIPLE ISSUES. 
          THE STR SITUATION, I THINK IS A SEPARATE DISTINCT ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED SEPARATELY. 
          THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS ARE NOT, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO LEGISLATE HERE. 
          IN WHAT I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. 
          MY FIRST QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? HOW MANY OF THESE TYPES OF ISSUES COME UP A YEAR? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT 100, 1,000? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THREE? WHAT'S THE EXTENT OF THE HOLIDAY ISSUE APPLICATIONS THAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT HERE? 
          >> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          I WOULD FIRST CLARIFY THAT IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT HOLIDAYS. 
          [OVERLAPPING] SURE. 
          I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR. 
          THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, I WOULD SAY, BY PROPERTY, I WOULD SAY A COUPLE DOZEN. 
          >> A COUPLE DOZEN? 
          >> A COUPLE DOZEN, DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, AND I COULD CITE DIFFERENT ONES CERTAINLY IN COUNCIL MEMBERS DISTRICTS WHO ARE NOT REPRESENTED HERE TODAY. 
          BUT THEY REALLY TAKE ON A DIFFERENT FLAVOR DEPENDING ON WHAT AREA OF TOWN. WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? IT COULD BE HOUSES THAT ARE BEING RENTED OUT SPECIFICALLY FOR HAVING A PARTY OR IT COULD BE WHAT SOME HAVE DEEMED COMMERCIAL GRADE HOLIDAY DISPLAYS OR COULD BE A CONCERT PUT ON IN THE BACK YARD OF A LARGE, RURAL TYPE PROPERTY. 
          WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS HERE IS FOR WHATEVER TYPE OF THING MIGHT BE HAPPENING AT A RESIDENCE, WHAT SPILLOVER, WHAT NUISANCE EFFECT IS THAT HAVING ON THOSE NEIGHBORS? LOOKING AT THE MAIN CATEGORIES HERE OF ZONING, NOISE, LIGHTING, AND PARKING OR TRAFFIC, WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY HIT ON REGARDLESS OF WHAT TYPE OF EVENT MIGHT BE HAPPENING OR DISPLAY OR WHAT HAVE YOU, WHAT EFFECT IS THAT HAVING ON NEIGHBORS AND HOW MIGHT WE MITIGATE THAT? 
          >> THANK YOU. THE SECOND THING IS, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE? WOULD IT GIVE YOU ALL SOME GUIDANCE, GIVE US SOME MORE GUIDANCE? IF WE REALLY TALK TO NEIGHBORHOODS? I'M REAL SENSITIVE ABOUT LEGISLATING FOR THE WHOLE CITY ON SITUATIONS WHERE WE HAVE VERY LIMITED ISSUES AND MAKING RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT AFFECT EVERYBODY TO BASICALLY MONITOR A FEW VIOLATIONS. 
          MY QUESTION IS, HOW HAVE WE BEEN THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN DEALT WITH IN THE PAST, HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THEM? ARE THERE OTHER REGULATIONS? ARE THERE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES? WHETHER THEY'RE SOFT OR ACTUALLY ENFORCEMENT VEHICLES TO BE ABLE TO MITIGATE THESE THINGS ON A EFFECTIVE BASIS? IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE'RE DEALING WITH A DOZEN ONE OFFS IF IT'S A ONE DAY DEAL AND THEY'RE HAVING ONE EVENT, DOES OUR ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY ABLE TO DEAL WITH THAT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WAY? IS THAT A DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN AN EVENT WHERE THAT GOES ON FOR MULTIPLE DAYS? IN OTHER WORDS, DO WE HAVE TO LEGISLATE NEW ORDINANCES, NEW REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD AFFECT NEIGHBORHOODS AND PEOPLE THAT ARE THAT ARE NOT DEALING WITH THIS PARTICULAR THING? I DON'T WANT US TO BE LEGISLATING AND CREATING ORDINANCES THAT COULD THEN BE USED AS WEAPONIZATION BY NEIGHBORS, BY OTHER PEOPLE FOR THE WRONG REASON. 
          AGAIN, I'M REAL SENSITIVE TO MAKING A LAW FOR 500,000 HOUSES THAT ARE BASICALLY IN RESPONSE TO 12 EVENTS DURING THE YEAR. 
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IT'S A LOADED QUESTION, BUT I'M ASKING, HOW DO YOU ALL DEAL WITH THIS HISTORICALLY FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS, IF THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON? 
          >> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          I'LL SAY GENERALLY, AND I'LL LET ANYBODY ELSE WEIGH IN. 
          I'LL START AT THE BACK. I APPRECIATE THE CONCERN FOR POTENTIAL UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. 
          THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD THINK THROUGH, AS NOT EVERY PROPERTY IS THE PROBLEM HERE. I WILL NOTE. 
          I WOULD SAY MULTIPLE DOZENS, SO PROBABLY NOT JUST 12, BUT I WOULD SAY 30-50 THAT I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN COME ACROSS MY DESK ACROSS THE CITY OVER JUST THIS LAST YEAR. 
          BUT THOSE PROPERTIES, I WOULD SAY, HAVE INCURRED HUNDREDS OF COMPLAINTS AT VARIOUS TIMES OF THE DAY AND NIGHT AND SEASONS. 
          WHAT IS REPRESENTED HERE AND THE REASON THAT WE'RE BEFORE THIS BODY IS BECAUSE THOSE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS ALREADY HAVE NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL. 
          IN EACH OF THESE CATEGORIES, WE HAVE EXPLORED ALL THE TOOLS AT OUR DISPOSAL AND HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO COME TO WHAT ALL RESIDENTS WOULD DEEM AS A FAVORABLE RESULT IN MITIGATING THESE NUISANCES. 
          >> THE EVENTS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE SEVERAL OF THEM RELATED TO SHORT-TERM RENTAL SITUATIONS AS OPPOSED TO ONE-OFF NEIGHBORHOOD EVENTS? THERE IS THE WAY TO QUANTIFY THAT. 
          I'M NOT TRYING TO LOAD THE QUESTIONS. 
          I REALLY AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE EXTENT OF THE ISSUES AND HOW YOU'RE DEALING WITH. 
          >> UNDERSTOOD. I WOULD SAY IT'S CERTAINLY NOT THE TOPIC AT HAND. 
          SOME OF THE TYPES OF NUISANCES THAT ARE AFFECTING NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES MIGHT COME FROM SHORT-TERM RENTALS. 
          OTHERS HAVE COME FROM THOSE PROPERTIES WHERE THEY'VE JUST DECIDED TO RENT OUT THEIR HOUSE TO NOT OVERNIGHT STAYS, BUT JUST COMMERCIAL EVENTS. 
          THEN OTHERS ARE CERTAINLY FROM OWNER-OCCUPIED PROPERTIES. 
          REALLY, THERE IS A MIXED BAG HERE. 
          >> HAS THERE BEEN ANY OUTREACH TO HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS OR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS TO PARTICIPATE IN CREATING SOME INFORMATION, SOME ISSUES, SOME POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS THAT CAN BE ENFORCED THROUGH THEIR ORDINANCES, THROUGH THEIR BY LAWS, WITHOUT THE CITY BRINGING IN A HUGE OVERREACHING LEGISLATION, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO REALLY IDENTIFY THE EXTENT AND THE NEEDS AND THE CONCERN AND THE ADVERSITY THAT THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE EXPERIENCING. 
          AGAIN, I WANT TO BRING IT DOWN TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED AS OPPOSED TO MAKING A BLANKET LEGISLATION AGAINST EVERYBODY IN TOWN BECAUSE OF A FEW BAD FOLKS. 
          >> COUNCILMEMBER ROTH, THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. 
          WE ACTUALLY DO PARTNER WITH HOAS AND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. 
          WE ATTEND ABOUT 12, 01,300 MEETINGS A YEAR WITH THOSE CORPORATIONS, WE TALK ABOUT OUR HIGH VIOLATION CATEGORIES. 
          WE TALK THROUGH STATS FOR THOSE COMMUNITIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND WE HAVE OPEN DIALOGUES AND DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THESE TYPES OF CONCERNS. 
          I THINK WHAT JEREMY WAS GETTING AT TODAY HERE IS WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU ARE ENFORCEMENT GAPS. 
          WHERE WE'VE EXPLORED THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS WITH THE DALLAS CITY CODE TO COMBAT SOME OF THESE NUISANCE BEHAVIORS, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE TOOLS TO ACCOMPLISH THE RESOLUTION THAT THE NEIGHBORS OFTENTIMES ARE CRYING OUT FOR, AND THAT QUALITY OF LIFE BEGS FOR. 
          WANTING TO ENHANCE THESE TOOLS, NOT TO MISUSE THE TOOLS, BUT TO HAVE THE APPROPRIATE TOOLS IN THE TOOLSHD, WHEN WE NEED TO TAKE ENFORCEMENT ACTION FOR REPEAT OFFENDERS AND FOLKS WHO ARE BLATANTLY DISREGARDING THE EXISTING CODE THROUGH LOOPHOLES. 
          >> MY LAST COMMENT, THIS IS A VERY SLIPPERY SLOPE OF ENFORCEMENT OF THIS STUFF, LIGHTING, PARKING ON A GRASS, TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S THE LEVEL OF ACCEPTABLE OR UNACCEPTABLE. 
          THIS IS A REAL HARD DEAL TO GET INTO, AND THERE'S A LOT OF SUBJECTIVE AND STUFF. 
          TO SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES' POSITIONS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT'S GOT TO BE REALLY DEFINED AND EXPLORED, AND IT'S GOT TO BE VETTED. 
          I THINK THIS REQUIRES SOME MORE FORMAL NEIGHBORHOOD DISCUSSIONS, MORE FORMAL HOA DISCUSSIONS, AND MORE VETTING AND THOUGHTFUL WORKING SESSIONS WITHIN THE STAFFING SIDE, AS WELL AS THROUGH THE STAKEHOLDERS, TO TRY TO CRAFT SOMETHING TO BRING TO US FOR REVIEW, NOT FOR DECISION-MAKING, BUT FOR REVIEW. 
          THAT WE CAN REALLY FIGURE OUT HOW BIG A PROBLEM IT IS, AND AS YOU'VE SAID, 
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AND I LOVE THOSE TWO WORDS, THE UNINTENTIONAL CONSEQUENCES OF AN ORDINANCE THAT COULD REALLY BE FAR-REACHING. 
          I'D BE CAUTION. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS, COUNCILMEMBER ROTH. 
          >> THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR, CODING. 
          >> YES, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR AT LEAST THE CONVERSATION ON THE NOISE. 
          I KNOW IN BEING CHIEF OF STAFF OR COUNCIL MEMBER IN ADVICE, I OFTEN HEARD RESIDENTS' COMPLAINTS ABOUT NOISE, ESPECIALLY ON THE EVENINGS AND WEEKENDS, AND SOMETIMES THEY HAD DIFFICULTY KNOWING WHICH DEPARTMENT TO CONNECT WITH, WHETHER IT WAS DPD OR CODE COMPLIANCE. 
          THEN I KNOW WE HAVE A LIMITED NUMBER OF NOISE MONITORS AS WELL IN THE CITY OR EVEN KNOWING IF THEY NEEDED TO GIVE THEIR NAME WHEN THEY GAVE A NOISE COMPLAINT AS WELL. 
          I APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS MENTIONING OUR DISTRICTS HAVE DIFFERENT ISSUES. 
          THE EARS, I DON'T REMEMBER A PHONE CALL ABOUT VALET PARKING, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD COMPLAINTS ABOUT HEAVY COMMERCIAL VEHICLES PARKED IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN WE WOULD HAVE RESIDENTS CALL, IT WOULD GO IN CIRCLES, WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THIS, OR IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO. 
          THEN THE OTHER THING, AT LEAST FOR OUR DISTRICT, FIREWORKS, BUT NOT AT RESIDENTIAL PLACES, BUT AT PLACES OF BUSINESS, AND THAT SOMETIMES CONTRIBUTED TO NOISE, WHETHER MAYBE IT WAS LIKE A PUB OR SOMETHING THAT DID FIREWORKS ON A REGULAR BASIS AS WELL. 
          I THINK THOSE WOULD BE TWO THINGS THAT I WOULD SUGGEST POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT AS WE LOOKING AT THESE ORDINANCE CHANGES. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER BAZALDUA. 
          >> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. 
          I DO APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION. 
          I'LL SAY I LARGELY AGREE WITH THE STATEMENTS MADE BY COUNCILMEMBER ROTH TODAY ON THIS. 
          WHAT I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE THAT JUST PROVIDES MORE PUNITIVE MEASURES THAT ARE OFTEN WEAPONIZED. 
          I SEE A LOT OF WEAPONIZING OF CERTAIN CODE SPECIFIC TO WHEN IT COMES TO CIVIL ISSUES WITH NEIGHBORS. 
          THE LAST THING I'D WANT TO DO IS CREATE A PROBLEM, AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE'D BE DOING HERE BY BRINGING IN MORE STRICT. 
          DATA IS GOING TO BE VERY HELPFUL. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT MISS WILLIS HAS HAD SOME EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES, AND SOME THINGS THAT QUITE FRANKLY ARE ANOMALIES COMPARED TO OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THE WAY TO ADDRESS THIS IS WITH A SLEDGEHAMMER GOING OVER OUR CODE. 
          I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED WHENEVER WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS. 
          FIRST AND FOREMOST, I HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN US GO IN THE ROUTE OF MORE ROBUST EDUCATION CAMPAIGN ON THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE. 
          I GET THAT THERE'S GAPS IN SERVICES, BUT THERE IS OFTEN A HUGE GAP IN KNOWLEDGE FROM OUR RESIDENTS. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I KNOW I WANT TO READ THIS. 
          I JUST GOT THIS LITERALLY WHEN WE SAT DOWN STARTING THIS IRONICALLY FROM A RESIDENT SOUTH DALLAS. GOOD MORNING, ADAM. 
          IT WAS GREAT SEEING A NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. 
          QUESTION. IS THERE A CODE ON NOISE LEVEL? WE HAVE A FAIRLY NEW RESIDENT THAT'S BEEN BLASTING MUSIC FROM TIME THEY WAKE UP UNTIL LATE IN THE EVENING. 
          THAT'S CRAZY. THESE ARE VERY COMMON MESSAGES. IT'S A NEW RESIDENT. 
          THIS RESIDENT THAT'S REACHING OUT TO ME HAS NOT HAD TO UTILIZE OUR RESOURCES AND TOOLS THAT ALREADY EXIST FOR THEM TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES. 
          THE ONUS IS ON OUR OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE EDUCATING THEM, PROVIDING THEM WITH THE RIGHT CONTACTS, PROVIDING THEM WITH THE RIGHT TOOLS, ETC. 
          I THINK THAT WE COULD BE LOOKING AT A MORE HOLISTIC EDUCATION CAMPAIGN CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, PLEASE, TO COUPLE WITH THIS DISCUSSION. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT HEAVY-HANDED LEGISLATION IS THE ROUTE TO GO, QUITE FRANKLY, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE MORE TOOLS TO BE WEAPONIZED AGAINST OTHER RESIDENTS. 
          I ALSO WANT TO LOOK AT YOU SPEAK OFTEN. 
          WE'VE HEARD OFTEN IN THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW UNIQUELY DIFFERENT OUR DISTRICTS AND CONSTITUENCIES ARE. 
          WE OFTEN ALSO HEAR ABOUT HOW A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL APPROACH TO A LOT OF ISSUES THAT COME UP IS NOT NECESSARILY THE MOST PRODUCTIVE AND EFFECTIVE WAY FOR US TO GO. 
          JUST THIS PAST FRIDAY NIGHT, THERE WAS A HUGE CELEBRATION AT A FRONT PORCH CONCERT SERIES, IS WHAT HE CALLS IT. 
          BUT A RESIDENT IN PARKDALE DOES IT VERY OFTEN. 
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IT'S LOVED BY THE COMMUNITY. 
          QUITE FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK HE DOES THE STANDARDS OF WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO WITH THE CITY, BUT THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD EMBRACES THIS. THIS WEEKEND. 
          THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT COCKTAIL CRAWLS THAT MY WIFE AND I ARE GOING TO ATTEND WITH TWO DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS EVERY OCTOBER IN NEIGHBORHOODS IN OUR DISTRICT. 
          ASIDE FROM THAT, NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. 
          THERE ARE SEVERAL PLACES IN DISTRICT 7 THAT CONS GET PUT UP JUST IN QUEEN CITY. 
          THEY'LL PUT CONES UP AND BLOCK OFF A STREET, AND THEY'LL HAVE A GREAT CELEBRATION AND KICK BACK WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS CREATE LEGISLATION THAT PUTS A HEAVIER ONUS ON OUR RESIDENTS THAT WE WANT TO PROMOTE THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY THAT EXISTS THERE. 
          I'M COGNIZANT OF THIS DISCUSSION GOING TOO FAR AND CREATING MORE OF A PROBLEM TO ADDRESS A VERY MINUSCULE PIECE. 
          WHEN WE'RE GETTING SOMETHING THAT IS THIS CONSEQUENTIAL TO CONSIDER, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT BACKED BY MORE DATA. 
          IT'S A LOT OF ANECDOTES THAT WE'VE HEARD HERE, AND IT'S NOT ONE THAT HAS BEEN FELT ACROSS OUR CITY. 
          DATA IS GOING TO BE VERY HELPFUL TO SEE ON WHAT THAT EXISTS. 
          BUT THEN ALSO, WHEN MR. CHAIR BRINGS FORWARD THE STR CONVERSATION, I'D LIKE TO SEE US BE ABLE TO WEIGH THAT DATA AS WELL BECAUSE THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SET OF CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH, WHICH IS ALSO A TOTALLY DIFFERENT WAY TO ENFORCE ON WHAT COULD BE RECOMMENDED. 
          I WANT US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT CREATING A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVEN'T COMPLETELY VETTED OUT WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE AND EXHAUSTED ALL OF OUR OPPORTUNITIES WITH EXISTING RESOURCES. 
          WITHOUT US HAVING EVEN GOTTEN OUT A ROBUST EDUCATION CAMPAIGN SPECIFIC TO THESE ISSUES SINCE IT HAS COME UP, I THINK IT WOULD BE WAY PREMATURE FOR US TO SLAP DOWN HEAVY LEGISLATION TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE WITHOUT TRYING TO GET INTO THE COMMUNITY. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. COUNCILMEMBER BAZALDUA AND NOTED. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          >> THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          >> SURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CALLING OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          DIRECTOR CHRISTIAN ON THE ENFORCEMENT GAPS. 
          WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, AND I HAD MADE THE POINT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO HARM SWEET NEIGHBORHOOD EVENTS, EVENTS THAT NEIGHBORS EMBRACE. 
          WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE ARE THINGS THAT NEIGHBORS ARE PRETTY UNITED IN CONCERN AROUND SECURITY, NOISE, DISRUPTION. 
          THIS IS NOT TO AFFECT THOSE WONDERFUL THINGS THAT BRING COMMUNITIES TOGETHER. 
          THIS IS ABOUT EXTREMES AND HOW EXTREMES HAVE EXPOSED ENFORCEMENT GAPS. 
          MR. REID, THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING A RURAL CONCERT THAT IS NOT EMBRACED BY THE COMMUNITY THAT CREATES SECURITY AND TRAFFIC CONCERNS. 
          THAT IS SOMETHING I DON'T EXPERIENCE, BUT THAT OTHER DISTRICTS MAY EXPERIENCE. 
          THIS ABSOLUTELY IS TAKING PLACE AT STR, SO I DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY CARVE THAT OUT AND NOT CONSIDER IT BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT THE ULTIMATE NEGATIVE SECONDARY EFFECT, WHICH IS A NEIGHBORHOOD DISRUPTION, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER OR WHATEVER IT IS. 
          IT'S THAT OUTCOME THAT IS REALLY DISTURBING NEIGHBORS. 
          NOT EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS AN HOA, SOME HAVE A LOOSE CRIME WATCH, ETC AND SO THEY DON'T HAVE THE REGULATIONS TO BACK THEM UP ON WHAT MR. ROTH WAS TALKING ABOUT. 
          THAT'S THE OTHER THING WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT. 
          WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LOOSE GROUPS OUT THERE WHO ARE TOGETHER, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE BYLAWS THAT COULD HELP THEM GET AHEAD OF THAT. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT I FACED AS WELL. 
          THERE COULD BE SOME EDUCATION AROUND THAT. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE US FOCUS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD DISRUPTION IN EXTREME CASES. 
          THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE FOCUS SHOULD BE, NOT ON ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT MAKE OUR CITY SO WONDERFUL AND VIBRANT. THANK YOU. 
          >> GOT IT, MAY TIM WILLIS. THANK YOU. 
          >> YES. 
          >> I'LL BE BRIEF. I JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE. 
          I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S ISSUES WITH STRS. 
          I JUST AM ASKING FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SEE BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT TOPICS, SPECIFICALLY ON HOW IT WOULD BE ENFORCED. 
          WHAT YOU ARE PRESENTING TO US NOW ARE TOOLS FOR INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS TO UTILIZE FOR OTHER INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS. 
          IF THERE'S AN ADDED COMPONENT OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF BEING UTILIZED OUTSIDE OF THE TRADITIONAL USE OF A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME BY A RESIDENT. 
          THAT WOULD BE A TOTALLY SEPARATE ARM OF ENFORCEMENT THAT THESE PARTICULAR CODE AMENDMENT PROPOSALS MAY NOT BE GERMANE TO. 
          THEY MAY NOT EVEN BE JUSTIFIED IF THERE'S THE ABILITY TO ADDRESS HOW PEOPLE ARE UTILIZING THEIR PROPERTIES THROUGH A REGISTRATION SYSTEM, ETC. 
          THESE TOPICS DO NEED TO BE DISCUSSED IN TANDEM, JUST NOT CONFLATED. 
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WITH WHAT IT IS THAT YOU ALL ARE PRESENTING VERSUS THE TOOLS THAT WE WOULD HAVE AT OUR DISPOSAL IF WE HAD AN ACTUAL REGISTRATION AND ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM FOR OUR STRS. 
          THE PROHIBITION THAT EXISTS NOW DOES NOT AFFORD US THAT. 
          HEAVY-HANDED LEGISLATION IS ONLY GOING TO IMPACT OUR RESIDENTS WHO ARE PROPERTY OWNERS AND TAXPAYERS OF OUR CITY INSTEAD OF GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT MISS WILLIS HAS ARTICULATED. 
          I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT I DON'T SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE THERE. 
          IT JUST NEEDS TO BE DONE THOUGHTFULLY AND IN ITS OWN LANE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          >> THANK YOU. THIS HAS BEEN A VERY HEALTHY DISCUSSION, AND I APPRECIATE YOU FRAMING IT IN THAT WAY IN TERMS OF WHAT THOSE GAPS ARE, BECAUSE I CAN APPRECIATE WHERE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM IS GOING, AS WELL AS MY COLLEAGUES. 
          I'LL JUST ADD, I THINK WE START WITH THAT DATA BECAUSE WHILE, AGAIN, SHE'S APPRECIATING THE EXPERIENCE SHE'S HAVING AS IT RELATES TO THIS CASE THE LIGHTING, THE HOLIDAY HOMES, AND ALL THOSE THINGS IN MY AREA, AND I'VE TALKED TO YOU GUYS MANY TIMES BEFORE ABOUT HOW MANY TIMES DOES A VIOLATION HAVE TO HAPPEN BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY TAKE ACTION? I KNOW THAT'S WHERE SHE'S GOING, AND I CAN APPRECIATE WHERE MY COLLEAGUES ARE GOING WITH THAT. 
          AS WE GATHER THIS DATA, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT A PARTICULAR LOCATION. 
          IT'S ABOUT THAT ACT. 
          SEEING IF THIS IS A CONSISTENT ACT, AND IF IT IS AT THAT LOCATION, WHAT HAVE WE DONE IN THE PAST, WHAT CAN WE DO MOVING FORWARD? DOES THE SUPPLY, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE. 
          COLLECTIVELY, WE ALL LOOKED AT LIGHTING, NOISE, AND TRAFFIC, I THINK ARE THE ONES I HAVE. 
          >> I'M SORRY, AND WHAT? 
          >> LAND USE SHARE? 
          >> LAND USE. EVEN MAYBE AS IT RELATES TO THOSE, THAT COULD BE WHERE WE START IN TERMS OF WHAT ARE THOSE CHRONIC VIOLATIONS CENTERED AROUND THESE? WHERE ARE THEY? WHAT TYPE OF PROPERTY IS IT? BECAUSE IN SOME CASES, IT MAY BE COMMERCIAL. 
          IN MY DISTRICT, IT'S VACANT WHERE I KNOW GUNSHOTS, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO SHOOT. 
          HOW MANY TIMES BEFORE WE ACTUALLY TAKE ACTION. 
          I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE WHERE WE'RE GOING. I'D LIKE IT. 
          I LOOK FORWARD TO US COMING BACK WITH THAT LEVEL OF DATA AND GETTING IT NARROWED DOWN BY DISTRICT SO THAT WE CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          AGAIN, IT'S NOT JUST STR, BUT REALLY LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPE AND BEING ABLE TO NARROW DOWN ON SOME OF THESE ORDINANCE GAPS. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS, CHAIR. 
          I WILL SAY THAT TODAY HAS BEEN HELPFUL FOR US AS WELL, BECAUSE WE KNOW WHERE WE NEED TO TARGET OUR LANGUAGE, OUR POLICY DRAFT, OUR ORDINANCE LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING BACK TO YOU GUYS, NARROWLY FOCUSED ON EXTREME DISRUPTIONS THAT DON'T HAVE A UNINTENDED IMPACT ON OUR REGULAR NEIGHBORHOOD EVENTS THAT WE LIKE, AND WE ALL WANT TO CONTINUE TO SEE. 
          WE WILL DO THAT, AS WELL AS CONNECT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND MUNICIPAL COURTS ON DPD AND CODE COLLABORATION AS IT RELATES TO ISSUING THE CRIMINAL CITATIONS FOR AFTER HOURS, NOISE, AND REPEATED VIOLATIONS IN NEIGHBORHOODS SO THAT WE CAN MOVE INTO OUR HABITUAL NUISANCE PROCESS UNDER OUR EXISTING CHAPTER 27 CODE. 
          >> PERFECT. 
          >> WE'LL COME BACK WITH THE DATA AS WELL. 
          >> THANK YOU. COLLEAGUES, I WANT TO MAKE AN ATTEMPT AS JUST BEING MY FIRST CHAIR. 
          I WANT TO GET US OUT OF HERE IN 2 HOURS. 
          I WANT TO COMMIT TO THAT. 
          WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NOW IS JUST GO THROUGH AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE MEMORANDUMS ITEMS D THROUGH G. YES. 
          >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. JUST ON F, IF YOU COULD PLEASE GET A MEMO SPECIFICALLY TO THE DALLAS BLACK DANCE THEATER, I KNOW THAT THAT WAS A HOT TOPIC THAT WHEN IT WAS TAKEN OFF, I'VE MET WITH THEM AND HAVE HEARD OF SOME CHANGES IN THE ORGANIZATION. 
          BUT I THINK IT'D BE GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC UPON, APPROVING THESE FUNDINGS TO SEE THE CHANGES THAT WE ASKED FOR AS A CITY AND WHY WE HELD FUNDING LAST ROUND. 
          IF YOU COULD HAVE IT PUT INTO A MEMO, SOME CHANGES THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF OR THAT THE CITY HAS HELPED IN UNDERSTANDING TO GIVE US A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING WITH THE APPROVAL OF THIS PACKAGE. 
          I HAVE CULTURAL ARTS COMING UP. 
          MISS PHILIPPE AND THE CREW. 
          >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR, GRACIE AND COUNCILMAN BESLDA. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE SUGGESTION. 
          WE CAN WORK ON A MEMO TO THAT END. 
          LET ME REPEAT AND REITERATE WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY, YOU WOULD LIKE US TO NOTE WHAT WE'RE AWARE OF IN REGARD TO WHAT'S CHANGED WITH THAT ORGANIZATION, 
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AND ALSO I GUESS GIVE SOME DETAILS ABOUT THEIR ALLOCATION, AS NOTED IN THIS PARTICULAR MEMO, CORRECT? 
          >> YES. THANK YOU. I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          I WOULD ASSUME IT WAS HEAVILY COVERED BY MEDIA, AND I WOULD ASSUME TO ALSO BE COVERED THAT THEY ARE BACK AS A RECIPIENT. 
          I THINK THAT IT WOULD MAKE MOST SENSE FOR US TO HAVE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE TO FALL BACK ON WHY THERE WOULD BE A CHANGE IN OUR DECISION TO FUND THE GROUP WHEN WE DENIED THE FUNDING THE LAST ROUND. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          >> THANK YOU. YES. 
          >> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO THAT END EVEN MORE SPECIFICALLY, I THINK RIGHT NOW THE SAME LEADERSHIP IS IN PLACE. 
          WHILE THEIR REPORT SAYS THEY'LL BE UNDERTAKING A CHANGE AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, THAT'S STILL CONCERNING. 
          HAVING A MORE DEFINITIVE PLAN AROUND THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ME BECAUSE YOU CAN CHANGE SOME POLICY, BUT IF YOU'VE STILL GOT THE SAME LEADERSHIP AND NOT A DEFINITIVE PLAN FOR HOW THAT MIGHT BE CHANGING, WHICH WAS PART OF OUR CONCERN, I WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE THAT UNANSWERED. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENT, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIS. 
          I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE ARE MEMBERS OF DALLAS BLACK DANCE THEATER STAFF AND BOARD. 
          THE FOUNDER MISS ANNE WILLIAMS HAS JOINED US. 
          GOOD MORNING, AND THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE, AND SO I HOPE THAT THEY HEARD YOUR COMMENTS AS THOSE ARE SPECIFIC TO THE ORGANIZATION. 
          >> CHAIR WOODLEY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND MARTIN, IN THAT MEMO, I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU MAKE CLEAR DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN WHAT STEPS HAVE BEEN PROPOSED IN TERMS OF REFORM OF THE ORGANIZATION FROM STEPS THAT HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN IMPLEMENTED SO THAT WE CAN DETERMINE IF THEY'RE DOING MORE THAN JUST PAYING LIP SERVICE TO WHAT THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDED. 
          >> YES, SIR. THANK YOU, CHAIR WOODLEY. 
          >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? YES, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THEM UP AND JUST SEE IF YOU GUYS WANT TO JUST GIVE AN UPDATE AS TO WHERE YOU ARE AND WHAT CHANGES YOU'VE MADE AT THIS POINT. THERE ARE YOU. I'M SORRY. 
          >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS LILI MCKENNEY, 1436 COUNTRY RIDGE DRIVE DE SOTO, TEXAS. 
          PLEASE EXCUSE MY VOICE. 
          I HAVE A CHALLENGE WITH MY LYRICS, BUT I'LL BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY. 
          I THINK. THE QUESTION IS? 
          >> IF YOU CAN, JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT. 
          I KNOW MY COLLEAGUES ALLUDED TO SOME CONCERNS, AND I'VE HEARD SOME CONCERNS AS WELL IN TERMS OF WHAT THE TRANSITION IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, AND AS ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES SAID, LIP SERVICE. 
          CAN YOU JUST REALLY JUST TALK ABOUT WHAT PLANS YOU ALL HAVE PUT IN ACTION AS A RESULT OF THIS TASK FORCE AND JUST REALLY JUST GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHERE YOUR FOCUS HAS BEEN AS A RESULT OF THAT MEETINGS WITH YOU. 
          >> I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT. 
          AS YOU ALL KNOW OR MAY NOT KNOW, WE HAD A REPORT FROM THE TASK FORCE, WHICH WAS MADE UP OF CITY LEADERS WHO STEPPED UP TO SAY, BECAUSE OF THE IMPORTANCE OF DALLAS BLACK DANCE THEATER, WE'D LIKE TO COME AND HELP YOU TO LOOK AT AND ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT YOU'RE FACING. 
          THEY MET FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS, I WANT TO SAY, AND WHAT THEY DID WAS TOOK A DEEP DIVE INTO DALLAS BLACK DANCE THEATER AND CAME BACK TO US WITH. 
          THEY NOT ONLY LOOKED AT US INTERNALLY. 
          THEY TALKED TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          I THINK THEY MAY HAVE TALKED TO SOME COUNCIL PERSONS, BUT WHAT THEY DID WAS COME BACK TO US AND SHARED WHAT THEY HAD FOUND OUT, AS WELL AS RECOMMENDING TO US WHAT THEY BELIEVED WOULD BE THE WAY FORWARD AS WE ENCOUNTER THE NEXT 50 YEARS WE HOPE OF OUR ORGANIZATION. 
          THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE MADE WERE PRESENTED TO US ON AUGUST 28, I BELIEVE IT IS. 
          WE IMMEDIATELY CONVENED A GROUP WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION AND EXTERNALLY TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE WOULD IMPLEMENT WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO. 
          OUR FIRST THING WAS TO LOOK AT OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND RECOGNIZE AND ACCEPT THAT A CHANGE IN THAT LEADERSHIP, AS WELL AS THE BOARD WAS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO OUR FUTURE AS A SUCCESSFUL ORGANIZATION. 
          >> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT I JUST WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE WE GET ON THE RECORD, AT THIS POINT, 
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BASED ON THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS, THERE HAVE BEEN TWO THINGS THAT HAVE I GUESS BEEN IMPLEMENTED OR STARTING THE PROCESS MOVING. 
          THAT IS ONE, I THINK, CHANGING OF THE BOARD, CHANGING OF THE BOARD CHAIR AND CHANGING OF THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, IS THAT CORRECT? 
          >> THOSE THINGS ARE TRUE. 
          >> NOW, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR ALL OF THAT? BECAUSE AGAIN, SOME OF THE OTHER CONCERNS IS, WELL, IT'S NOT HAPPENING FAST ENOUGH OR IT'S JUST LATE SERVICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          TALK ABOUT THE TIMELINE AND WHY IT'S GOING TO TAKE THIS PROCESS AS AN OPERATION AS AN ORGANIZATION. 
          >> BLACK DANCE THEATER IS A WELL KNOWN ENTITY THROUGHOUT NOT JUST THE CITY BUT THROUGHOUT THE NATION. 
          WE WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE A STRATEGIC PLAN THAT SAYS, WE CAN CONTINUE OPERATIONS AND BE SUCCESSFUL AT DOING WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AS WE GO THROUGH WHAT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED FOR US. 
          WE HAVE DECIDED OR WE HAVE ALREADY PUT IN PLACE THAT WE WOULD START A SEARCH FOR AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IN JANUARY. 
          THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD WILL BE RETIRING IN JANUARY. 
          DALLAS DANCE THEATER IS WELL KNOWN NATIONALLY, AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THE BEST WE CAN, GET THE BEST LEADERSHIP THAT WE CAN. 
          WE WEREN'T ABLE TO JUST SAY, LET'S GET RID OF THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR RIGHT NOW. 
          OUR SEASON STARTED IN SEPTEMBER, AND WE NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO DO THE BEST WE COULD TO RAISE FUNDS AND PUT THE SEASON ON UNDER PREVAILING CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          WE BELIEVE THAT THE SEARCH IS GOING TO TAKE US PROBABLY TWO TO THREE MONTHS. 
          WE HAVE HIRED AN OUTSIDE ORGANIZATION TO BEGIN THE SEARCH FOR US. 
          ONCE WE GET THE NAME SUBMITTED AND WE HOPE THEY WILL BE VERY HIGH LEVEL PERSONS, THEN WE WILL BEGIN AND WE ALSO HAVE A COMMITTEE PUT TOGETHER THAT'S GOING TO DO THE SELECTION PROCESS THAT WILL INCLUDE NOT ONLY THE BOARD, BUT WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE ON THERE FROM OUTSIDE OF THE ORGANIZATION. 
          THOSE THINGS STRATEGICALLY FOR US MEANT THAT WE COULD NOT IMPLEMENT RIGHT NOW. 
          WE COULDN'T SAY, TODAY IS YOUR LAST DAY, AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          WE NEEDED TO CONTINUE TO HAVE SOME INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE TO GET US THROUGH THIS SEASON WHILE WE WERE IMPLEMENTING THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE TASK FORCE HAD GIVEN TO US. 
          >> PERFECT. THE SEARCH FIRM HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AND IS ACTIVATED, AND THAT PROCESS IS STARTING IN JANUARY OR THE STARTING NOW? 
          >> WELL, THE SEARCH IS ACTUALLY GOING TO START IN JANUARY. 
          THERE IS ANOTHER ISSUE THAT'S INVOLVED, AND THAT IS, THERE IS A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE SEARCH FIRM. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO INCLUDE THAT INCORPORATED INTO OUR FINANCIAL PICTURE AS WELL. 
          WE HAVE NO DESIRE TO HOLD ON TO OLD THINGS. 
          WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE TASK FORCE HAS MADE. 
          WE ARE CONVICTED THAT WHAT THEY'VE SAID TO US ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO, AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE THAT THOSE THINGS HAPPEN. 
          WE WILL HAVE A NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR BEFORE THE END OF THIS SEASON. 
          WE WILL HAVE A NEW PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD BEFORE THE END OF THIS SEASON IN JANUARY, WE HOPE. 
          WE WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT TURNOVER OF BOARD MEMBERS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. 
          WE'RE WILLING TO GIVE PROGRESS REPORTS IF THAT'S NEEDED, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY, THE CITY, AND ALL OF THE PUBLIC AWARE THAT CHANGE IS UNDERWAY AT DALLAS BLACK DANCE THEATER, WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT. 
          >> PERFECT. LAST QUESTION, CAN YOU JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, I KNOW WHEN ALL OF THIS HIT THE FAN, YOUR DONOR BASE TOOK A HIT. 
          CAN YOU JUST TALK ABOUT YOUR JOURNEY BACK IN TERMS OF RESTORING DONOR CONFIDENCE? 
          >> AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER A DONORS ROUNDTABLE, IF YOU WILL. 
          IT IS BEING LED BY ANDY SMITH FROM TI, AND WE BROUGHT TOGETHER A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF DONORS FROM THE PAST AS WELL AS DONORS THAT WE'D LIKE TO ENGAGE TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, WHAT ARE THE THINGS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN AT DALLAS BLACK DANCE THEATER THAT WOULD BRING YOU BACK TO THE TABLE AS FAR AS OUR FUNDING IS CONCERNED. 
          WE'VE GOTTEN VERY POSITIVE RESPONSE FROM THAT. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN SOME HARD QUESTIONS ASKED. 
          WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE ANSWERS. 
          WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET A COMMITMENT OF AT LEAST $1.2 MILLION JUST OUT OF THAT FIRST MEETING THAT WE HAD, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS ON OCTOBER 2. 
          [02:30:01]
BUT THE DONOR COMMUNITY IS BEING ENGAGED. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDED WAS GREATER STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT. 
          THAT IS NOT ONLY OUR DONORS, BUT THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY, AND ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE AN INTEREST IN DALLAS DANCE THEATER. 
          >> PERFECT. WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME SIGNIFICANT RESPONSE TO THE COMMUNITY TO OUR LABOR GROUPS AS WELL. 
          I KNOW THERE ARE SOME HESITATIONS TOWARDS WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY TO MY COLLEAGUES THAT I'M CONFIDENT I'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH BOTH SOME FOLKS ON THE TASK FORCE AS WELL SOME FOLKS FROM THE LABOR SIDE OF THINGS IN TERMS OF ENSURING THAT THIS MOVES FORWARD IN A WAY THAT OPERATES IN A WAY THAT BENEFITS EVERYONE, INCLUDING OUR COMMUNITY. 
          I WANT TO THANK YOU, MISS MCKINNEY, FOR BEING A PART OF THE TRANSITION. 
          NO IT WASN'T A TOUGH DECISION, BUT IT WAS A NECESSARY DECISION IN ORDER TO TRANSITION THERE. 
          THANK YOU TO THE CULTURAL ARTS AND THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE FOR THEIR DECISION AND APPRECIATING THE EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, AND THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BE MADE TO BRING THE DALLAS BLACK DANCE THEATER BACK IN TO PUBLIC CONFIDENCE. 
          THANK YOU AGAIN, MISS MCKINNEY. 
          THANK YOU TO ALL WHO REPRESENT THE DALLAS BLACK DANCE THEATER. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THANK YOU. MISS MCKINNEY. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON ANY OF THE OTHER MEMO ITEMS? IN THE FORECAST. 
          JUST AS A REMINDER, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT FORECAST, THE DECEMBER MEETING IS CANCELED THERE, AND IT'S REALLY REALLY DUE TO TIMING IN TERMS OF THE SCHEDULING TO GET THIS NEXT AGENDA COMES BACK TO BACK. 
          WE'LL GET A LOT OF OUR ITEMS ON NOVEMBER, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK IN JANUARY. 
          IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I WILL HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          MOTION TO BE MAKING SECOND. 
          WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN AT 11:39 AM. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.