>> IT IS NOW 1:05 P.M. WE'RE CONVENING
[Transportation and Infrastructure on October 20, 2025.]
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THE OCTOBER MEETING OF THE TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE.OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS TODAY IS APPROVAL OF THE JUNE 9, 2025 MEETING MINUTES.
HAVING HEARD THE MOTION AND A SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR ANY CORRECTIONS? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. A, OPPOSED.
MOTION PASSES. NEXT ITEM IS BRIEFING ITEM B, INFRASTRUCTURE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND RIGHT OF WAY MANAGEMENT POLICY UPDATE.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. HONORABLE CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
I'M DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS.
I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE INFRASTRUCTURE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, WHAT IT IS, AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ALSO ABOUT THAT RIGHT OF WAY MANAGEMENT POLICY, BECAUSE THE RIGHT OF WAY MANAGEMENT ALSO KIND OF RELATED AND IMPACTS THE CONDITION OF OUR PAVEMENTS ON OUR ROADWAY.
JOINED WITH ME HERE IS OUR CITY ENGINEER, MISS SOPHIA HARVEY, WHO WILL BE ASSISTING ME WITH THE PRESENTATION.
WITH THAT, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THE ROAD-MAP FOR THE PRESENTATION INCLUDES THE PURPOSE, THE FACTS AND FIGURES, THE INFRASTRUCTURE MANAGEMENT PLAN, THE CHALLENGES ON THE RIGHT OF WAY PROGRAM MANAGEMENT, THE ORDINANCES, THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT POLICY STATEMENT, AND THE NEXT STEPS.
THE PURPOSE OF THE PRESENTATION, AGAIN, TO PROVIDE YOU WITH INFORMATION ABOUT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, HOW IT WORKS, AND THE ENGINEERING BEHIND IT.
PROVIDE ALSO AN UPDATE ON THE BRIDGE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, BECAUSE IT IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF WHAT WE DO.
ALSO, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY AND MANAGEMENT AND HOW THAT IMPACTS THE PAVEMENT QUALITY, AND THEN DISCUSS THE CITY OF DALLAS PAVEMENT CONDITION PROPOSED POLICY AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
>> CAN I ASK YOU TO JUST MOVE THAT MICROPHONE A LITTLE CLOSER?
AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH IT, BUT THIS IS I WANTED TO PUT THAT ONE IN THERE JUST TO TALK ABOUT HOW LARGE THE SYSTEM IS.
AGAIN, AS A REMINDER, WE DO HAVE ABOUT 11,700 LANE MILES OF PAVEMENT THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND WE DO HAVE ABOUT 648 BRIDGES THAT WE ALSO MAINTAIN IN THIS CITY.
NEXT SLIDE. THE INFRASTRUCTURE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, SO HERE WE TALK ABOUT IT, AND THE QUESTION IS SOMETIMES IS, WHY IS IT AND WHAT IS IT? SO FIRST OF ALL, IT IS ESTABLISHED TO PROVIDE TRANSPARENCY AND STRATEGIC APPROACH TO INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING, AND IT IS A DATA DRIVEN PUBLIC INITIATIVE.
FOR THE STREET MANAGEMENT, IT IS BASICALLY A PROCESS WHEREBY WE ANALYZE THE STREET CONDITIONS AND WE TRY TO RANK THEM USING A PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX RATING.
IT DOES PROVIDE US WITH GUIDANCE ON HOW TO TREAT THE PAVEMENTS, WHEN TO TREAT THE PAVEMENTS, AND WHERE TO ALLOCATE THE FUNDS.
WE ALSO IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY, WE INCLUDED PRIMARILY THE BRIDGES AND THE ALLEYS AS PART OF THE PROCESS.
IT IS A CRUCIAL TOOL FOR PLANNING, BUDGETING, AND COORDINATING THESE ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX, OBVIOUSLY, WHEN IT RANKS THE PAVEMENT CONDITION FROM 100 IN THE BEST TO ZERO OBVIOUSLY IS TOTALLY FAILED, AND IT MEASURES THE TYPE OF DISTRESSES, THE EXTENT OF THE DISTRESS, AND THE SEVERITY OF THE DISTRESSES.
NEXT SLIDE. THIS ONE HERE SHOWS THE TABLE AND SHOWS THE RANKING.
IF WE SAY THAT THE ROADWAY IS IN A GOOD CONDITION, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT HAS A PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX OF ABOUT 72 85, AND THEN IF IT IS FAILED, IS ZERO TO ALMOST 39.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS SLIDE IS IMPORTANT AND THE ONLY TAKEAWAY THAT I'M ASKING YOU TO KIND OF LOOK AT HERE IS
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THE DEGRADATION OF THE PAVEMENT IS NOT LINEAR BY THE YEARS.IF YOU LOOK ON THE GRAPH ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WE START OFF, SAY, LET'S SAY, ON A ASPHALT PAVEMENT, IF IT IS NOT BEING TAKEN CARE OF, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE ARE GOING SLOW AS FAR AS THE DEGRADATION IS CONCERNED FROM UP TO FIVE TO TEN YEARS AT MOST.
THEN AFTER TEN YEARS, IT IS COMPLETELY DOWNHILL, QUICKLY DETERIORATES AND DESCENDS INTO A FAILED CONDITION. IT IS NOT LINEAR.
THIS IS THE REASON WHY IN SOME OF THE INSTANCES WHEN WE START DOING SOME TREATMENTS ON THE PAVEMENT IS TO PRESERVE IT AND PREVENT IT FROM DESCENDING INTO THE FAILED CONDITION AFTER THE EIGHTH OR TENTH YEAR.
NEXT SLIDE. HOW DO WE DO ALL THAT STUFF? GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE A PAVEMENT MODELING THAT ANALYZES THE CONDITION OF THE PAVEMENT, THE DISTRESSES, AND IT COMPUTES BASICALLY THE DISTRESS AND TRANSLATES THEM INTO WHAT WE KNOW THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX.
TWO THINGS HERE THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING AND WHAT WE WILL BE DOING IN THE FUTURE THAT WOULD PUT THE CITY AS ONE OF THE TOP CITIES IN THE NATION AS FAR AS THE WAY WE MANAGE OUR PROGRAM.
CURRENTLY, WE'RE USING WHAT WE CALL THE ASTM D6433, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE AMERICAN SOCIETY OF TESTING MATERIAL, WHICH IS THE STANDARD ON HOW TO ASSESS THE PAVEMENT, YOU LOOK AT THE TRESSES, AND COME UP WITH THE FORMULA THAT ALLOW US TO GENERATE THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX.
WITHIN THAT ASTM STANDARD, THERE IS ALSO A COMPONENT THAT DEALS WITH THE CRACKING, BUT THE CRACKING, THE WAY IT IS IN THE ASTM STANDARD IS MORE SUBJECTIVE AND SUBJECT TO INTERPRETATION.
HOWEVER, THERE IS A NEW ASTM STANDARD, WHICH IS THE E3303, WHICH BASICALLY ADDRESSES THE AUTOMATION OF THE COMPUTATION OF THE DISTRESSES DUE TO CRACKING.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO COMBINE AT SOME POINT, THOSE TWO ASTMS TO COME UP WITH A MORE ACCURATE REFLECTION OF THE CONDITION OF THE PAVEMENTS AND THE RANKING OF THESE PAVEMENTS AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
THE ASTM 30 303 IS INTRODUCED AS THE KEY COMPONENT IN THE TECHNICAL EVALUATION. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS BASICALLY THE SUMMARY OF WHAT THESE TWO STANDARDS ARE.
ONE ASTM D6433, LIKE I MENTIONED, IS A STANDARD PRACTICE FOR ROADS AND PARKING LOTS, PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX SURVEY, AND IT IS BASED ON OBSERVED DISTRESSES, AS OPPOSED TO THE ASTM 3303, WHICH IS THE STANDARD PRACTICE FOR GENERATING PAVEMENT SURFACE CRACKING, AND IT IS AUTOMATED PAVEMENT DATA COLLECTION AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER ONE.
THE NEXT TWO SLIDES PROVIDES THE ATTRIBUTES BASICALLY FOR THE ASTM E3303 VERSUS THE D6433, SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THEM, BUT THE GIST OF IT IS THE ASTM 3303 PROVIDES THE ALL TECHNICAL, ALL ELECTRONIC DIGITAL ANALYSIS THAT WOULD FEED INTO THE 6433.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE BENEFITS OF USING 3303, IS NUMBER ONE, IT'S INDEPENDENT OF THE VENDOR'S EXPERIENCE OR BIASES ALLOWS AGENCIES SIGNIFICANT FLEXIBILITY IN AGGREGATING THE DATA, REPEATABLE, RELIANT, AND USES THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY WHEN GOING OUT THERE AND ASSESSING THE TYPE OF CRACKING THAT IS WHAT YOU WILL SEE ON THE ROADWAY.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AS I MENTIONED, WE CURRENTLY USE THE D6433, AND IT HAS SOME SUBJECTIVITY TO IT.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE NEW MODELING IS TO INJECT THE 3303 INTO THE ANALYSIS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A MORE OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS AND RANKING OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE PAVEMENT.
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AS AN EXAMPLE, THIS IS A NEXT SLIDE.THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT YOU WILL SEE IN OUR ANALYSIS THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO DETERMINE THE CRACKING, THE TYPE OF DISTRESS, AND IT WILL BE ALL AVAILABLE ON A DATABASE THAT YOU CAN CLICK ON AND FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING.
WE INTEND ON MAKING SURE AT SOME POINT TO HAVE THIS AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE WHO CAN GO IN THERE AND GO INTO OUR WEBSITE AND BE ABLE TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE CONDITION OF EACH ROADWAY IS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS ONE HERE SHOWS PRETTY MUCH SOME OF THE DECISION MAKING AND THE TIMING AND I KNOW I'VE HAD SO MANY INQUIRIES, IF YOU WILL, WHETHER BEING FROM RESIDENTS OR COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT, WE'VE GOT CONTRACTORS WHO ARE READY TO COME IN AND START DOING SOME OVERLAYING WORK.
WHEN IN FACT, ALL WHAT WE'RE DOING, IT'S EITHER WHAT WE CALL THE MICRO SEAL OR THE THIN LAYER, WHICH IS TO PRESERVE THE EXISTING PAVEMENT THAT IS IN GOOD CONDITIONS AND PREVENT IT FROM DETERIORATING AND DESCENDING INTO A DETERIORATING CONDITION, WHICH IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN US COMPLETELY RECONSTRUCTING AND OR PUTTING IN OVERLAY.
THIS BASICALLY SHOWS THE VARIOUS TYPES.
THE PRESERVATION IS PRIMARILY THE MICRO SEAL THAT WE DO AND OR CRACK, SEALING THE CRACKS AND PATCHING ON THE MAINTENANCE.
THEN WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO THE REHABILITATION, THIS IS WHEN THE ROADWAY IS STARTING TO GET INTO A DETERIORATED STATE WHERE WE HAVE TO COME IN EITHER IF IT IS AN ASPHALT, GENERALLY SPEAKING, AND MY PREFERENCE IS ALWAYS TO MILL AND OVERLAY INSTEAD OF BUILDING ON TOP OF EXISTING PAVEMENT.
THEN OBVIOUSLY IN A FAILED CONDITION, WE HAVE TO COMPLETELY RECONSTRUCT THE ROADWAY.
NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS ANOTHER WAY OF SHOWING IT, SHOWS PRETTY MUCH A ROADWAY THAT WAS TREATED FOR, BECAUSE OF FAILED CONDITION.
NEXT SLIDE. FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE, WE ARE MAKING A MAJOR INVESTMENT IN THE STATE OF THE ART DATA COLLECTION TECHNOLOGY.
WHAT WE'RE IMPROVING IS NUMBER ONE DATA COLLECTION TO INCORPORATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF DATA QUALITY MANAGEMENT PLAN.
IN THE DATA PROCESSING, THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE OPTIMIZATION AND ADOPTING THE INTEGRATION OF THE ASTM 3303, AND THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM TO STANDARDIZE THE PRACTICES AND SET POLICIES FOR RUNNING THE PROGRAM.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COUNSEL HAS DONE, WHICH I GREATLY APPRECIATE IS ON AUGUST 27, 2025, COUNSEL AUTHORIZED THE EXTENSION OF THE CONSULTANT CONTRACTS THAT WILL ALLOW US TO IMPROVE IN THE TECHNOLOGY ANALYSIS AND THE SOFTWARE CAPABILITIES.
THAT WILL ALLOW US TO COME UP WITH SCENARIO PLANNING ON HOW MUCH WHAT WOULD A CERTAIN FUNDING LEVEL DO TO OUR PAVEMENT CONDITIONS? IT WILL ALLOW US TO INTEGRATE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH OTHER AGENCIES AND IT IS A HIGHLY RESEARCH DRIVEN, HIGHLY TECHNICAL APPROACH TO WHAT THE ANALYSIS IS DOING AND THE PAVEMENT RANKING AND THE RESULTING PAVEMENT RANKINGS.
WITH THAT, THAT WILL ALLOW US TO COME UP WITH KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THE KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS, OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED RELIABLE DATA, AND WE NEED A SYSTEMATIC APPROACH, AND ALLOW US ALSO TO COME UP WITH THE OPTIMIZATION ON THE INVESTMENTS.
SOME OF THE COMMON KPIS, AND THESE COMMON KPIS ALSO ARE BEING USED BY OTHER AGENCIES, WHETHER BEING AT THE REGIONAL LEVEL, WHEN THE NORTH CENTRAL COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS ADOPTS THE STATE OF GOOD REPAIR AND OTHER AGENCIES.
THAT PUTS US ON PAR WITH REALLY SOME OF THE BEST AGENCIES AND ORGANIZATIONS IN THE NATION AS FAR AS THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT IS CONCERNED.
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SOME OF THE KPIS, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.SOME OF THE KPIS THAT CAN BE USED IS THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX, THE LANE MILES TREATED PER TREATMENT, THE PERCENT OF LANE MILES PER CONDITION CATEGORY, SIMILAR TO AGAIN WHAT NCT RECENTLY APPROVED, THE BACKLOG OF UNTREATED LANE MILES VERSUS THE LANE MILES AND REMAINING USEFUL LIFE OF A ROADWAY.
THESE ARE AGAIN, SOME OF THE ADVANTAGES THAT WILL ALLOW US TO HAVE A CLEAR PERFORMANCE INDICATOR ON THAT.
>> HAVING SAID THAT, THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT IS NOT THE ONLY THING THAT WE DO.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE DO HAVE 648 BRIDGES IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND THIS IS A MONUMENTAL TASK ALSO TO MANAGE.
THE IMP ALSO COVERS THE BRIDGE AND BRIDGE CLASS CULVERT MAINTENANCE PROJECTS.
FOR THE DEFINITION HERE, IS THAT IF YOU HAVE WHAT WE CALL A CULVERT THAT IS 20 FEET OR GREATER IN WIDTH, THAT IS CONSIDERED TO BE A BRIDGE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A CULVERT.
I HAVE A PICTURE HERE. I'LL SHOW YOU THAT.
ALL THE NEW BRIDGES THAT WE HAVE WILL HAVE TO BE REGISTERED IN THE FEDERAL AND STATE INVENTORY SYSTEM.
ALL THE BRIDGES THAT ARE ON CITY'S RIGHT OF WAY THAT ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC ARE GENERALLY INSPECTED EVERY TWO YEARS BY TXDOT, SO THEY CALL IT THE OFF SYSTEM INSPECTION PROGRAM, AND WE GET ALL THE REPORTS.
THEN ONCE THESE BRIDGES ARE INSPECTED, THEY GIVE US A REPORT ON ALL THESE BRIDGES THAT HAVE BEEN INSPECTED.
IF THERE IS ANY ACTIVITIES THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE, ANY REPAIR THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE, WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THESE, ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE IF THERE IS A BRIDGE THAT IS SUFFERING FROM MAJOR DISTRESSES, AND TXDOT INFORMS US THAT WE NEED TO ACT ON IT, SO IMMEDIATELY, IT HAS TO BE ACTED ON.
WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF LOCATIONS.
ONE OF THEM WAS KEYST BRIDGE IN DISTRICT 3, AND THE OTHER ONE HILLCREST IN DISTRICT 11.
THOSE BRIDGES WE GOT THE NOTIFICATION AND WE WERE REQUIRED BASICALLY TO GO IN AND FIX THEM, AND WE HAD TO CLOSE THE ROADWAY DOWN IN ORDER TO GO IN THERE AND FIX THEM.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE DO HANDLE SOME PERIODIC INSPECTION OR HAVE PROJECTS WHERE WE HAVE TO HANDLE OUR OWN INSPECTION.
FOR EXAMPLE, GENERALLY, ALL THE DECK CAPS ARE CONSIDERED TO BE TUNNELS AND TO BE INSPECTED AS TUNNELS BY THE CITY OF DALLAS, ANY BRIDGE THAT GETS HIT OR DAMAGED OR SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THE VICINITY OF IT, SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO DO OUR OWN INSPECTION, WHICH IS OUT OF CYCLE INSPECTION, TO GO OUT THERE AND GET IT DONE.
NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS BASICALLY THAT SHOWS SOME OF THE DISTRESSES THAT WE HAVE ON THE UPPER LEFT IS A RETAINING WALL THAT HAS ROTATED OUT AND IS FAILING.
WE HAD TO GO OUT THERE AND DO AN EMERGENCY REPAIR ON IT.
NEXT ONE IS THE LOSS OF GROUND FROM UNDER A SIDEWALK THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE APPROACH TO A BRIDGE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT IT DROPPED BY AT LEAST A GOOD 12 INCH.
THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS A BRIDGE CLASS CULVERT.
THIS IS CONSIDERED TO BE A BRIDGE, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, AGAIN, SOMETIMES WE MAY HAVE THE UNDERMINING OF THE FOUNDATION OF THE CULVERT IN THE DRAINAGE.
THE LOWER LEFT IS A PIECE OF A BRIDGE DECK CAP THAT FELL AND LOST THE CONCRETE.
THE NEXT ONE IS THE COMPLETE EROSION OF ALL THE EMBANKMENT OR THE SOIL THAT SUPPORTS THE BRIDGE APPROACH ON A BRIDGE THAT WAS WASHED AWAY INTO THE CREEK.
THEN THE LAST PICTURE ON THE LOWER RIGHT IS A RAILING THAT WAS HIT BY A VEHICLE OR TRUCK IN THIS CASE, I THINK.
NEXT SIDE, THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT WE GET FROM TXDOT.
IF IT IS A PRIORITY ONE, WE HAVE TO ACT ON IT AND DO THE EMERGENCY.
AS I MENTIONED, KEYST AND HILLCREST FELL INTO THAT CATEGORY WHEN WE ACTED ON THEM.
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WE CURRENTLY JUST FOR INFO, WE KEEP ABOUT $1 MILLION SIT IN OUR ACCOUNT FOR EMERGENCIES IN CASE WE HAVE A SITUATION THAT DO COME UP.MOVING ON TO THE RIGHT OF WAY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.
THE REASON I WANTED TO INCLUDE THIS ITEM IN PART OF THE DISCUSSION HERE IS BECAUSE THIS ITEM HAS ALSO A DIRECT LINK AND IMPACT ON THE CONDITION OF OUR PAVEMENT.
WHAT IS THE RIGHT OF WAY MANAGEMENT? IT IS THE CITY'S GATE KEEPER, BASICALLY TO ENSURE THAT ANY ACTIVITY WITHIN THE CITY'S RIGHT OF WAY IS DONE SAFELY, WITH MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE ROADWAY AND DISRUPTION TO THE TRAFFIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND BUSINESSES.
THE CURRENT CITY ORDINANCES HAVE SOME GAPS WHICH PREVENT FULLY REALIZING THE INTENDED RESULTS OF THE RIGHT OF WAY MANAGEMENT.
SOME OF THESE GAPS IN THE CURRENT CITY ORDINANCES IMPACT LONG TERM PAVEMENT CONDITIONS, AS I MENTIONED.
SOME OF THE MAIN CHALLENGES, AND WE'VE ALL SEEN THEM, SIDEWALK AND LANE CLOSURES OUTSIDE PERMITTED HOURS, USE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT AND MATERIAL STORAGE, EXCESSIVE AND LONG TERM USE OF STEEL PLATES IN ADDITION TO IMPROPER PLACEMENT, CUTTING OF A NEW PAVEMENT FOR UTILITY SERVICE CONNECTIONS, IMPROPER BACKFILL OF PAVEMENT CUTS THAT CAUSES SETTLEMENT AND SINKING OF THE PAVEMENT, IMPROPER PAVEMENT STRUCTURE, AND PAVEMENT MARKING RESTORATIONS.
IN SOME LOCATIONS, YOU SEE THAT PAVEMENT REPAIR HAS TAKEN PLACE, BUT THE PAVEMENT MARKINGS WAS STORED, UNAUTHORIZED PAVEMENT CUTS AND INCONSISTENT MATERIAL TESTING AND QUALITY CONTROL ON WHAT WE'RE DOING.
THE NEXT FEW SLIDES HAS SOME FEW PICTURES.
NEXT ONE SHOWS A RIGHT OF WAY.
BASICALLY A CUT INTO THE LANE AND SIDEWALK AND NO ACTIVITY.
THE NEXT PICTURE SHOWS THE EQUIPMENT OF MATERIAL THAT IS BEING STORAGE ON A ROADWAY.
NEXT SLIDE SHOWS A STEEL PLATE THAT IS IMPACTING TWO ROADWAYS.
I WANT TO STOP HERE ON THIS ONE HERE, OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS OUTSIDE CITY HALL ON ST. PAUL AND YOUNG.
I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO KIND OF PAY CLOSER ATTENTION TO THE GAP BETWEEN THE STEEL PLATES.
THIS HAS BEEN OUT FOR OVER SIX MONTHS, AND ALL THE RAINWATER THAT EVERY TIME IT RAINS, IT GOES INTO THE OPEN CUT THAT IS UNDERNEATH.
WATER GETS INTO THE SYSTEM, IT SOFTENS THE FOUNDATION OF THE ROADWAY, AND THE NEXT THING EVEN AFTER THEY RESTORE IT, A MONTH, TWO, THREE MONTHS, FOUR MONTHS LATER, THE ROADWAY STARTS TO SINK AND START HAVING PROBLEMS. THE NEXT ONE IS ALSO ANOTHER ONE THAT CAUSED MY BLOOD PRESSURE TO GO UP.
IS ON LEMON AVENUE BY TURTLE CREEK.
SOMEONE DECIDED THAT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA TO TAKE OUT THE TWO LANES AND START USING THE ROADWAY AS A STORAGE FOR ALL THE MATERIALS WITH ALL THE UNCONTROLLED DEBRIS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
BUT, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA, IT'S ON AN INCLINE, MEANING THAT IF IT RAINS ALL THAT WATER AND ALL THE DEBRIS GOING INTO OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
THIS IS BESIDE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THAT DOES TO OUR PAVEMENT.
THEN THE NEXT ONE IS, OBVIOUSLY, A CUT INTO A NEW PAVEMENT OR A RECENTLY REPAIRED PAVEMENT.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE, SOPHIA AND I STARTED LOOKING AT THE RIGHT OF WAY MANAGEMENT ORDINANCES, AND WE NOTED SOME OF THE FEW THINGS THAT WE HAVE AND THE CURRENT GAP THAT WE OBSERVE.
PLEASE GO TO THE NEXT TWO SLIDES, PLEASE. NEXT ONE.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THIS TABLE, WE IDENTIFIED THE CITY CODE, THE DESCRIPTION OF THE ITEM, WHAT THE CURRENT GAP IS AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO AMEND IF THE COMMITTEE WISHES US TO PURSUE THESE THINGS.
THE FIRST ONE IS INCLUDES THE STANDARD FOR THE RAW MATERIALS.
THERE IS NO CLARITY ON THE MATERIAL TO BE USED,
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SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD THAT.THE NEXT ONE IS THE RESIDENTIAL APPROACHES, AND THIS IS BASICALLY ADDING THE REQUIREMENT TO SHOW THE DETAIL AS SHOWN IN THE PICTURE.
NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS THE COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAY APPROACHES, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO ITEM TWO, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL.
THE ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS THE DIRECTOR'S AUTHORITY, BASICALLY, CURRENTLY, THERE IS NO PROVISION FOR FAILURE TO OPEN THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR PUBLIC USE OUTSIDE PERMITTED HOURS.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS THAT IF WE NEED TO HAVE OR RECOMMENDING TO HAVE A PROVISION WHEREBY, IF THE RIGHT OF WAY IS NOT RETURNED TO FULL OPERATION, THEN WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPLY SOME A FINE AS CURRENTLY DEFINED IN THE ORDINANCE.
NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE CONDITIONS UNDER THE EXCEPTIONS AND DENIAL AND REVOCATION, THE CURRENT GAP IS THE USE OF THE STEEL PLATES, HAS NO LABELING SPECIFICATIONS REQUIREMENTS FOR IT TO STICK.
ALSO, IT DOES NOT HAVE THE RESTRICTION ON TIME LIMIT OR PLACEMENTS, AND THERE'S NO VIOLATION WHATSOEVER.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS ADDING FEW DEFINITION OF WHAT IS A STEEL PLATE, RECOMMENDING THAT A STEEL LAYOUT PLAN TO BE PRESENTED AND PROVIDED, AND THEN PUT IN SOME INITIAL FEE FOR THE USE OF PLATES.
SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, 250 PER PLATE PER LANE PER DAY FOR UP TO 14 CALENDAR DAYS, WHICH IS A REASONABLE TIME TO GET WHATEVER THEY NEED TO GET DONE AND BACK FIELD.
IF IT EXCEEDS THAT TIME FRAME, THEN WE WILL CHARGE THEM BASED ON THE LANE CLOSURE BASED ON A 200 LINEAR FEET TIMES LANE WIDTH OF TEN FEET MINIMUM IN ORDER FOR US TO COVER OUR COST IF WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO A MILL OVERLAY OR SOME A TREATMENT ON THE PAVEMENT.
THEN, UNDER CHAPTER 43, AND WE'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF RESIDENTS AND SOME BUSINESSES.
CURRENTLY, THE CITY ORDINANCE SAYS, IF YOU TAP INTO A ROADWAY THAT HAS A PCI OF 70 OR HIGHER, THEN YOU, THE PERSON, HAS THE REQUIREMENT TO COME BACK AND DO A SLURRY SEAL FOR THE WHOLE BLOCK.
SOMETIMES IT'S UNFAIR TO HAVE ONE ENTITY AND ONE ORGANIZATION OR ONE PERSON TO DO THAT.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO DO A FLAT FEE OF, SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, $6,000 OR SOMETHING.
THEN THE CITY OF DALLAS WILL TAKE ON THIS ITEM SO THAT BASICALLY AS PEOPLE START TAPPING INTO THE CONNECTIONS ON A CERTAIN BLOCK, THEN WE'RE COLLECTING THESE FUNDS, AND THEN IT WILL BE FUNDED SO THAT WE CAN COME BACK AND DO IT AS A CITY OF DALLAS.
I THINK I'VE HAD ONE OR TWO E MAILS THROUGH COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT THIS ITEM.
SOMEONE PEOPLE SAYING, HEY AGAIN, I HAVE TO DO ALL THAT STUFF, AND IT'S UNFAIR.
I THINK THERE IS MERITS TO THIS ONE HERE TO HELP OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR BUSINESSES.
THEN NUMBER SEVEN IS BASICALLY THE PERMITE CURRENTLY IS NOT REQUIRED TO IDENTIFY A INDEPENDENT TESTING LAB WHO WILL BE DOING THE MATERIAL TESTING FOR THE MATERIAL THAT THEY WILL BE USING FOR THE PAVEMENT AND FOR THE CONDITION OF THE BACKFIELD.
THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE'RE HAVING SOME SETTLEMENT IN SOME OF THESE ROADWAYS.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE ON THE PROPOSED CHANGE IS BEFORE I ISSUE THE PERMIT, I NEED TO SEE THE NAME OF THE LAB THAT THE CONTRACTOR AND OR ORGANIZATION IS GOING TO BE USING TO ENSURE THAT A, THE LAB IS AVAILABLE AND HIRED AND B WHEN THE WORK IS DONE, WE'RE GETTING THOSE REPORTS AND WE'LL UPLOAD THEM IN THE SYSTEM SO WE CAN HAVE A PERMANENT RECORD ABOUT THEM SO THAT IF WE HAVE TO COME BACK LATER ON AND SAY, HEY, YOUR PATCH HAS FAILED, WE DO HAVE THE RECORDS IN PLACE.
THEN THE CONFORMANCE WITH THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.
TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS A FAIR CONFORMANCE TO ADD THE PENALTY FOR FAILURE TO RELOCATE NON CONFORMING UTILITIES BY THE ACCEPTED DATES.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT AGAIN, I'M PROPOSING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT
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AND SEE HOW WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE GAPS THAT WOULD HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE CONDITION OF OUR PAVEMENT SO THAT OUR RESIDENTS AND TAXPAYERS DO NOT CONTINUE TO PAY AND FUND FOR ALL THESE THINGS.THE LAST ITEM HERE IS, I DID SOME RESEARCH HERE, AND I COULDN'T FIND A PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT POLICY FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
WHERE I CAME FROM WHEN I WAS WITH THE STATE AGENCY, WE DID HAVE A POLICY WHEREBY WE HAD A, FOR EXAMPLE, THE POLICY SAID, 70% OF OUR ROADWAYS TO BE IN GOOD OR BETTER SHAPE.
IF THIS COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THAT WE LOOK INTO IT, HERE'S THE ADVANTAGE OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT ALLOWS US TO RUN A SCENARIO BASED ON HOW MUCH IT WILL COST US AND HOW MUCH IS NEEDED FOR US TO IMPROVE OUR PAVEMENT IF WE ARE TO MEET A CERTAIN LEVEL OF QUALITY ON THE PAVEMENT, AND NUMBER TWO, IT ALLOWS US TO START PLANNING ON HOW WE PLAN FOR THE FUNDING, WHETHER BEING ON THE GENERAL FUNDS OR ON THE CAPITAL BOND FUNDS IN THE FUTURE TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH THE LEVEL OF INVESTMENT THAT WE NEED TO HAVE.
AT THIS POINT, ALL WHAT WE HAVE IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE MANAGEMENT PLAN IS WHAT WAS REPORTED IS THAT WE NEED X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS TO PREVENT DEGRADATION OR FURTHER DEGRADATION OF THE PAYMENT.
DOESN'T GIVE US A POLICY OF SO WHAT DO WE WANT? DO WE WANT 70% OF OUR ROADWAYS TO BE IN GOOD OR BETTER SHAPE, DO WE NEED 60% OF OUR ROADWAYS TO BE IN GOOD OR BETTER, OR DO WE WANT TO HAVE 70% OF OUR ROADWAY IN FAIR OR BETTER? THESE ARE THE SCENARIO PLANNING, WHEREBY IT ALLOW US TO DETERMINE OF WHERE IS THE SWEET SPOT, IF YOU WILL, BETWEEN INVESTMENTS AND THE CONDITION OF THE ROADWAY? THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AS WE START DEVELOPING THE IMP WITH THE NEW LOGIC, WILL BE ABLE TO DETERMINE AND COME UP WITH THE SCENARIO PLANNING FOR THAT.
WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? THE NEXT STEPS IS, NUMBER ONE IS COORDINATE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, OBVIOUSLY, WITH WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF ANY UPDATES TO ANY OF THE CITY ORDINANCES, UPDATE THE IM BASED ON THE NEW DATA ANALYSIS METHODOLOGY AND LOGIC ANALYSIS.
NUMBER THREE, DEVELOP THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN POLICY, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO CONSIDER AND BRIEF TR AND I COMMITTEE ON THE ABOVE ITEMS AFTER WE HAVE THEM CLEARED AND WORKED ON AND COME BACK HERE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
WITH THAT, HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU, DOCTOR KEN CARLY, FOR THAT THOROUGH PRESENTATION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? LET'S START DOWN AT THE FAR END, MISS MENDELSONN?
THAT IS A VERY COMPREHENSIVE BRIEFING.
>> YES, FOR GOING FORWARD WITH A POLICY STATEMENT.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST IDEA I'VE HEARD COME OUT OF TRANSPORTATION A LONG TIME.
WE DEFINITELY NEED TO UNDERSTAND ON A POLICY LEVEL, WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE FOR THE QUALITY OF OUR ROADS.
I HOPE IT'S GOING TO INCLUDE THINGS LIKE OUR STREET LIGHTS AS WELL AND OUR TRAFFIC SIGNALS.
>> IF I MAY, THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND THE STREET LIGHTS, I COVER THEM SEPARATELY, AND THIS IS WHAT I DO IN MY YEARLY UPDATE TO COUNSEL IN APRIL GENERALLY, BUT DEFINITELY IT IS ONE OF THOSE.
IF YOU THINK OF THEM AS ONE DEPARTMENT, THERE ARE BEING COVERED.
>> I'M GOING TO START ACTUALLY WITH THE RIGHT AWAY MANAGEMENT, NOT THAT THE IMP PART ISN'T IMPORTANT, BUT I'M GOING TO START WITH THAT.
YOU HIT ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT I THINK ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF RESIDENTS, WORKING OUTSIDE OF THE STATED CONSTRUCTION HOURS.
EVERY YEAR, DOZENS OF PROBLEMS WITH THAT, AND IT WASN'T ACTUALLY THE MAIN CONTRACTOR, IT WAS THE SUBCONTRACTORS.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS, BY THE TIME WE WOULD NOTIFY CITY HALL, THE INSPECTORS WERE VERY FAR AWAY, AND IT WOULD ACTUALLY BECOME AN APPROPRIATE TIME FOR THEM TO DO WORK BY THE TIME THEY COULD GET THERE.
EVEN IF WE HAD THIS POLICY, MY QUESTION IS, HOW WOULD YOU ENFORCE IT?
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WHEN WE WOULD HAVE WORK BEGINNING AT FIVE IN THE MORNING BEHIND PEOPLE'S HOMES, HOW WOULD YOU ENFORCE THAT IF PEOPLE DON'T COME ON A JOB UNTIL EIGHT?>> OBVIOUSLY, WE DO HAVE FTES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY MANAGEMENT.
HOWEVER, TO YOUR POINT IS THAT AS WE START LOOKING AT THESE THINGS HERE, AND WE START EVALUATING THOSE GAPS AND WHAT THEIR IMPLICATIONS, CERTAINLY PART OF THE EVALUATION WOULD BE IS, ARE WE GOING TO NEED ANY NEW FTES AND HOW ARE THEY GOING TO BE FUNDED?
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY INFRACTIONS YOU'RE SEEING, BUT, I MEAN, WE HAD SOMETHING JUST IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS THAT WAS LATE AT NIGHT JUST BEFORE MIDNIGHT.
THANK YOU ON THAT ONE. THE STEEL PLATES, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THIS IS LIKE A PET PEEVE.
I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO TELL YOU HOW LONG I THINK SOME OF THE STEEL PLATES, ESPECIALLY DOWNTOWN, HAVE BEEN THERE.
BUT ALL OVER, THERE'S THE ISSUE OF THERE ISN'T ALWAYS THE BLACK TOP BETWEEN THE CONCRETE AND THE PLATE, AND SO IT'S DAMAGING PEOPLE'S TIRES.
THEN THEY'RE JUST THERE FOREVER.
ARE YOU SAYING WE HAVE NO POLICY ABOUT THEM AT ALL?
>> LET ME START BY SAYING IS THAT CURRENTLY, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT OF IT'S VERY GENERIC, VERY HIGH LEVEL.
IT SAYS, YOU PUT IN A STEEL PLATE, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO PUT IN LIKE ASPHALT OR RUBBER GASKET TO MAKE IT SUCH THAT PEOPLE CAN GO OVER IT.
BUT CURRENTLY, THE POLICY DEFINITELY THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T HAVE A TIME LIMIT ON IT, HOW MANY IT CAN BE DONE, HOW THEY CAN BE HOW CAN THEY BE LAID OUT, HOW THEY PUT THEM OUT THERE, NONE OF THAT EXIST. DID I MISS ANYTHING?
>> CAN YOU JUST MOVE THAT MICROPHONE CLOSER TO YOU, PLEASE?
>> I'M SOPHIA HARVEY, I'M THE CITY ENGINEER.
THE PLATES MUST BE MARKED WITH THE NAME OF THE PERSON PERFORMING THE CONSTRUCTION AND WITH A LOCAL 24 HOUR CONTACT.
BUT ALSO THE CURRENT CODE GIVES THEM AN OPTION TO HAVE A SIGN COMPLYING WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SUBSECTION POSTED IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.
A LOT OF TIMES THAT INFORMATION IS GONE ONCE THE PROJECT IS DONE, AND THEN WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE PLATE BELONGS TO.
>> THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS, BUT THEY NEED SOME ADDITIONS TO BE MADE.
>> WELL, I LOVE YOUR SUGGESTION OF 14 DAYS AND CHARGING PER DAY SO THAT YOU'RE ENCOURAGING THESE FOLKS TO GET THE WORK DONE IN A TIMELY BASIS, AND ALSO THE WATER INFILTRATION THAT'S GOING UNDERNEATH THE REST OF THE ROADWAYS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT SUGGESTION.
THE PAVEMENT CUTS, I THINK THIS HAS REMAINED A PROBLEM OVER THE YEARS, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT MANY TIMES AT COMMITTEE, AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO REPLACE IT IF IT'S BEEN LESS THAN FIVE YEARS SINCE THE CONCRETE WAS POURED, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S REALLY HAPPENING.
I THINK SOMETIMES THEY'RE REPLACING WHAT WAS CONCRETE WITH ASPHALT, IT'S FALLING, IT'S SINKING. I LOVE THOSE.
I WILL ALSO SAY, ONE OF THE THINGS I DIDN'T SEE ON HERE IS REMOVING TRAFFIC CONTROL WHEN THE PROJECT'S DONE.
THAT A LOT OF TIMES THOSE CONES AND BARRIERS ARE JUST STAYING AROUND, AND IT LOOKS JUNKY, AND IT'S AN ADDITIONAL ITEM THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO NAVIGATE EVEN IF IT'S AGAINST THE CURB THAT JUST DON'T NEED TO BE THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY YOU CAN CHECK THAT.
>> WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS CLARITY IN IT BECAUSE PART OF THE RESTORATION OF THE SITE SHOULD BE THE REMOVAL OF THE TRAFFIC CONTROL ITEMS, BUT DEFINITELY IT IS ONE OF THOSE, AND I SEE YOUR POINT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THOSE SITUATIONS WHEREBY THEY LEAVE FOR THE DAY AND THEY COME BACK AFTER A WEEK BECAUSE THEY WERE WAITING ON SOMETHING AND THEN I'VE GOT SOME TRAFFIC CONTROL ITEMS THAT ARE SITTING THERE.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY RESTORING THE SITE AFTER THE WORK IS DONE. DEFINITELY THE INTERN.
>> I APPRECIATE THE PHOTOS YOU SHOWED OF STORING MATERIALS ON THE TRAFFIC LANE WHEN IT CLEARLY DOESN'T NEED TO BE THERE.
I THINK SOMETIMES IT MIGHT BE, AND WE'VE EVEN SEEN IN MY AREA WHERE IT'S FULLY DEVELOPED, WHERE THEY USE AREAS THEY SHOULDN'T USE.
BUT, GOING TO THE IMP, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR FOCUSING ON THIS.
I THINK IT REALLY CAME TO LIGHT DURING THE BOND DISCUSSIONS, AND WE DROVE EVERY SINGLE STREET THAT WAS ON OUR NEEDS INVENTORY.
WHAT WE SAW WERE STREETS THAT WERE NOT HORRIBLE CONDITION THAT WERE RATED VERY LOW.
THEN STREETS THAT WERE IN TERRIBLE CONDITION THAT WERE ACTUALLY RAIDED PRETTY HIGH.
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THERE JUST WAS A TOTAL MISMATCH OF WHAT THE IMP WAS RAIDING THE STREET.DEFINITELY, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING TO A DIFFERENT MODEL, AND YOU GIVE A LOT OF FACTUAL REASONS WHY WE SHOULD DO THAT.
YOU DIDN'T COVER, THOUGH, WHAT'S THE COST DIFFERENTIAL? DO YOU HAVE AN EXPECTATION ON THAT?
>> I THINK AS FAR AS THE MODELING IS CONCERNED, WE ALREADY HAVE THE CONTRACTS IN PLACE, AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT ADDED, I THINK VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY TO THE EXISTING CONTRACT.
I WHEN THE ITEM WAS APPROVED IN AUGUST, WE CAME BACK, I THINK WE ADDED $300,000 TO THEIR OVERALL CONTRACT, BUT IT HAD OTHER THINGS BESIDE THE LOGIC.
FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE, I THINK IT'S VERY MINUSCULE.
>> YOU'RE SAYING THAT CONTRACT COVERED THE SWITCH FROM THE D 6433 TO THE 3303?
WHAT WE HAVE IS TWO DIFFERENT CONTRACTS.
ONE IS A CONTRACT THAT COLLECTS THE DATA, AND THE OTHER ONE IS A CONTRACT THAT WAS APPROVED IN AUGUST FOR THE LOGIC ANALYSIS, BASICALLY, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE INTEGRATION OF THESE ITEMS. HOW DO YOU DO THE ANALYSIS TO PRODUCE THE RANKING?
>> ARE THEY GOING TO GO BACK AND REDO ALL THE STREETS?
>>I'M SORRY. WE ALREADY HAVE THE DATA FOR ALL THE STREETS RIGHT NOW.
>> YOU COLLECT THE DATA. BASICALLY, YOU GO OUT THERE AND THEY COLLECTED THE DATA BASICALLY OF ALL THE DISTRESSES AND THE CRACKING.
NOW IT'S HOW YOU DO THE ANALYSIS.
>> THEY'RE CHANGING THE FORMULA.
>> THEY'RE CHANGING THE FORMULA BASICALLY ON HOW WE DO IT, AND THEN EVENTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO WHAT WE CALL A CORRELATION FACTOR BETWEEN THE EXISTING IMP AND THE NEW RANKING.
>> I GUESS, COUNCIL MEMBER, I ALSO WANT TO ADD, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THIS NEW METHODOLOGY IS THE FREQUENCY IN WHICH WE ARE GOING TO COLLECT DATA.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THE CURRENT SYSTEM IS BY THE TIME WE COLLECT DATA AND THEN WE'RE ABLE TO DO THE ANALYSIS, IT'S TIME TO COLLECT DATA AGAIN.
THE PROCESS THAT DR. KARY IS PROPOSING, I THINK IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE STREAMLINED BECAUSE WE'RE COLLECTING THE DATA.
WE'RE ABLE TO INCORPORATE IT INTO ANALYSIS.
THEN PROBABLY MAINTAIN IT RATHER THAN HAVING TO RECOLLECT DATA THAT WE'RE THEN BEHIND IN.
I THINK THE PROCESS IS A REALLY STRONG PROCESS.
>> WELL, THANK YOU. MY LAST COMMENT WAS ONLY IF THERE WAS A RESIDENT COMPONENT OF THIS BECAUSE I'LL BET YOU THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTS WOULD BE HAPPY TO UPLOAD A PHOTO OF WHAT THEIR STREET LOOKS LIKE, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT NEED HELP AND YOU WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO SEND SOMEONE OUT THERE.
THE AI COULD LOOK AT THAT PHOTO AND SAY, FIRST OF ALL, IT COULD YOU LOCATE IT, AND THEN IT COULD SAY, HERE'S WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT YOU PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN DALLAS THAT WOULD HELP YOU WITH THIS.
>> WELL, IF I MAY, ONE OF THE SLIDES THAT I MENTIONED THAT HAS SHOWED THE MAP.
THIS IS WHAT WE INTEND ON HAVING AVAILABLE, SO PEOPLE CAN GO AND CLICK ON IT AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE REPORT IS SAYING ABOUT THE ROADWAY.
THEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE FROM YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, WHAT I HAVE DONE IN THE PAST IS I DO A SMALL SAMPLE AND CROSS CHECK IT PHYSICALLY TO SEE IF WHAT THE MODEL IS TELLING ME IS EXACTLY WHAT IS MATCHING PRETTY MUCH WHAT IS OUT THERE SO THAT WE CAN WHAT WE CALL VALIDATE THE RELIABILITY OF THE MODEL.
>> WELL, I BET A LOT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT MAP LINK AND ASK PEOPLE TO CHECK OUT THEIR VOTE AND SEE IF IT'S ACCURATE. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR BILL ROTH.
>> THANK YOU. GREAT PRESENTATION, AND IT'S REALLY EYE OPENING TO UNDERSTAND THE EXTENT OF THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT YOU ALL HAVE FOR HANDLING ALL THE STREETS AND THE ALLEYS AND THE SIDEWALKS AND THE BRIDGES.
IT'S A HUGE UNDERTAKING, AND THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE HUGE.
ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO MAKE THAT MORE EFFICIENT AND AND MORE PRODUCTIVE IS CERTAINLY APPRECIATED.
THE TECHNOLOGY PART IS A LITTLE BIT INTERESTING TO ME TO UNDERSTAND HOW DOES THAT REALLY WORK? IS THIS LASER STUFF? HOW ARE YOU UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE COMPOSITION OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE STREET IS IN ORDER TO GET AN EVALUATION? BECAUSE EVERY PIECE OF ASPHALT AND PAVEMENT IS BUILT UP IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
IS THAT ALREADY IN YOUR MODEL?
>> FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENT.
LET'S START WITH THE COLLECTION OF THE DATA.
DEFINITELY, THEY'RE USING LATEST TECHNOLOGY AS FAR AS LASER COLLECTION AND SIMULATION.
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IT IS BEING DONE.ANYTIME THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT TREATMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ON A GIVEN ROADWAY? WE'RE LOOKING AT THE EXISTING PAVEMENT STRUCTURE BECAUSE SOMETIMES I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED.
A LOT OF TIMES WE GO OUT THERE, WE THINK THAT THE ROADWAY IS ASPHALT.
NEXT THING YOU KNOW IT HAS BEEN OVERLAID OVER 15, 20 YEARS, AND YOU HAVE, LIKE 6" OF ASPHALT AND BELOW IT IS THAT IS CONCRETE THAT HAS FAILED.
WE TEND TO BE CAREFUL AND DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE, BASICALLY TO ADDRESS THAT.
BUT CERTAINLY BEFORE WE UNDERTAKE THE TYPE OF TREATMENT, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PAVEMENT STRUCTURE IS.
>> THE MODELS THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE WITH ALL THE ALLEYS, DO YOU ALSO HAVE A SIMILAR MODEL ON THE STREETS THAT SHOW THE CONDITIONS, THE RED, YELLOW, GREEN, FORMATTING OR IS THAT JUST FOR THE ALLEYS CONDITIONS?
>> WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE IS FOR THE ROADWAY AND EVENTUALLY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM FOR THE ALLEYS TOO.
WE HAVE THE INTENT OF COVERING THAT ALSO AS PART OF THE DEAL.
WE ADDED THE ALLEY TO THE IMP. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I SAW THAT YOU HAVE THAT THERE.
THE OTHER THING IS, I'M A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED, BUT AGAIN, IT MAYBE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT.
HAS THERE BEEN A PLAN HISTORICALLY, A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR SETTING UP A SCHEDULING OF FUTURE REPLACEMENTS, MAJOR RENOVATIONS, SOME STRATEGIC RESERVE OR FINANCIAL PROJECTION FOR BASICALLY THE WEARING OUT OF THESE STREETS AND ALLEYS AND OTHER WORDS, IT SOUNDS LIKE HAS THAT ALREADY BEEN DONE, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT REALLY HAS NEVER BEEN REALLY QUANTIFIED AND IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO START DOING?
>> NO. THIS IS HOW WE DETERMINE BASICALLY HOW MUCH TO PUT IN IN THE BOND PROGRAM IN THE CAPITAL AS WELL AS INTO THE RESURFACING AND THE SURFACE TREATMENT.
WHAT I'M PRESENTING HERE THAT IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN USE IS THE FACT WE'RE ENHANCING THE LEVEL OF SOPHISTICATION OF THE DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS THAT WOULD GIVE US A MORE ACCURATE VIEW OF THE ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE AND BRIDGES, OBVIOUSLY, AND SO ON, AND TO BETTER ALLOW US TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH INVESTMENT WE WANT TO PUT IN.
TO MISS MENDELSON'S EARLIER COMMENT IS THE FACT THAT IF WE MAKE A POLICY, THE POLICY IS THE GUIDE, IF YOU WILL, OF HOW MUCH AM I GOING TO PUT IN HOW MUCH THE NEED WILL BE? WHERE THAT MONEY IS GOING TO COME FROM AND SO ON.
THIS IS WHY I'M SAYING IS THAT MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO COME UP WITH OR COME BACK WITH THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, IF YOU WILL, OF IF WE DECIDE AS A POLICY TO BE THIS, THIS IS HOW MUCH IS GOING TO COST US TO BRING THE SYSTEM BACK UP.
THEN IF WE DO OPTION B, THIS IS HOW MUCH IS GOING TO COST US AND SO ON.
THAT WE'LL ALL BE INFORMED AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO, AND THEN HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.
REMEMBER, TIME IS MOVING, MEANING EVERY DAY THAT GOES BY THAT ROADWAY IS STARTING TO GO DOWN.
WHAT I'M SAYING HERE, IF IT IS A ROADWAY THAT IS IN GOOD CONDITION TODAY, I'VE GOT A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM.
THE OTHER CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE, MISS BLAIR AND I HAVE DEALT WITH EXTENSIVELY IS THE FACT THAT IN THE INLAND PORT AREA, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD ROADWAYS THAT WE ALWAYS THAT WERE CONCRETE AND THEY WERE DESIGNED FOR SAY, LIGHT VEHICLES AND SO ON.
ALL OF A SUDDEN, NOW WE'VE GOT WAREHOUSES, AND ALL THESE THINGS HAVE CHANGED INTO 18 WHEELERS.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, ONE OF THE WORST ONES IS NOW THAT IT'S STARTING TO BE A MAJOR CHALLENGE FOR US IS DISTRICT 3 MOUNTAIN CREEK AREA.
THESE ARE ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO START INCORPORATING AS PART OF OUR APPROACH.
>> IT SEEMS LIKE MOST STRATEGIC PLANS REQUIRE POLICY AS A DIRECTIONAL BASIS FOR CREATING THAT STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH THEN ALLOWS YOU TO BUILD YOUR RESERVE AND YOUR PROJECTED COSTS AND MAINTENANCE AND REPLACEMENT.
LAST THING, ON THE ORDINANCE SITUATION, TO WHAT EXTENT ARE A LOT OF THESE REPAIR WORKS AND ISSUES
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THAT ARE IN THE STREETS PART OF TRI-PARTY AGREEMENTS, WHERE THE CITY IS DOING REPAIRS, WHERE THERE MIGHT BE UTILITY CONTRACTORS DOING STUFF, WHERE THERE MIGHT BE A DEVELOPER, ALSO DOING AND WHERE I'M GOING WITH MY QUESTION IS, IS BY CREATING ENFORCEMENT AND ORDINANCES AND PENALTIES, ETC, I WOULD CAUTION US TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT PRODUCING THOSE ORDINANCES SO THAT THEY COULD BE ENFORCED PROPERLY AND THAT THEY COULD HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY.BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, EVERY PROJECT HAS THINGS.
IT TAKES TIME TO DO THINGS, AND THERE'S DELAYS AND THERE'S THINGS.
WHAT I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IS DEALING WITH EGREGIOUS AND FREQUENT AND RECURRING SITUATIONS, BUT IN CREATING GENERAL ORDINANCES, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT SOME VERY THOUGHTFUL CONTEMPLATION BE DONE TO UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONSHIPS OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THIS WORK AND HOW THEY'RE CONNECTED WITH US AND WITH THIRD PARTIES.
>> THEN THE LAST THING I JUST WANTED TO MENTION IS THAT I HOPE THAT THERE'S SOME WARRANTIES SYSTEM THAT THE CONTRACTING WITH THIRD PARTIES IS BEING THAT, THAT PART OF THE POLICY AND THE CONSTRUCTION IS WORKING.
I KNOW THAT IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS, WE'VE NOT ONLY HAVE WORK ISSUES, BUT ALSO PARKING ISSUES AND SOME OTHER LOGISTIC ISSUES THAT HAVE IMPACTED SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION NEIGHBORHOODS, AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE THOUGHTFUL IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT OF ORDINANCE PLANS.
THE LAST THING BEING, I HATE TO SEE A SITUATION WHERE NEIGHBORS AND INDIVIDUALS AND RESIDENTS MAY HAVE TO BE PAYING FOR REPAIRS OR REPLACEMENTS OF ALLEYS, SIDEWALKS, WHATEVER IT IS THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN OR SHOULD BE REALLY OBLIGATIONS OF THE CITY TO MAINTAIN AND DO.
AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING SLURRIES, AND DURING ADDITIONAL REPAIRS AND STUFF.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY IS CARRYING FORWARD THEIR OBLIGATIONS TO MAINTAIN THE STUFF THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO MAINTAIN FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND NOT SURCHARGING FOLKS FOR EITHER POOR CONDITION, POOR PERFORMANCE, OR JUST RENOVATION AND HAVING TO MAKE NEW PRODUCTION.
ANYWAY, I'M SORRY TO HAVE TAKEN SO MUCH TIME. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. MISS BLACKMON, ANY QUESTIONS?
>> THANK YOU. IF WE ARE LOOKING AT CREATING A POLICY STATEMENT, WHAT IS OUR GUIDING STATEMENT GOING TO BE IN DEVELOPING THAT POLICY STATEMENT? IS IT GOING TO BE METRIC DRIVEN? IS IT JUST A GENERAL FEELING? WE'VE GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE, BUT HOW DO WE MAKE IT INTO ONE POINT THAT WE'RE ALL FOCUSING ON?
>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. DEFINITELY, IT IS METRIC AND DATA DRIVEN.
IN ESSENCE, WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS, FOR EXAMPLE, A SAMPLE STATEMENT WOULD BE IS, THE CITY OF DALLAS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A 70% OF ITS ROADWAY IN GOOD OR BETTER CONDITIONS.
IF WE SAY GOOD, IF YOU SEE ONE OF THE SLIDES HERE DEFINED WHAT THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX IS, AND WE SAID GOOD IS DEFINED A PCI OF 70-85.
WE WILL HAVE THE PCI FOR EVERY SINGLE ROADWAY IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND THIS IS WHAT THE MODEL WILL ALLOW US TO DO.
>> THIS IS WHY I'M SAYING IS THAT I NEED TO RUN THE MODELS, AND RUN THOSE SCENARIOS TO COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, IF WE SAY 70% OF THE ROADWAY TO BE GOOD OR BETTER, THIS IS HOW MUCH IT COULD COST TO BRING THE SYSTEM UP.
>> IF WE SAY IT'S 65% OF THE ROADWAY TO BE GOOD OR BETTER, THIS IS HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST AND SO RUN SEVERAL SCENARIOS FOR US TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND COME UP WITH A REASONABLE ITEM WHERE THAT CAN BE ACHIEVABLE BECAUSE I'M NOT RECOMMENDING THAT WE PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO ACHIEVE.
>> A CITY OF OUR SIZE, WHAT IS THAT? MAYBE THAT COMES LATER, I GUESS.
BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU'VE DONE RESEARCH.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, IS 70 ON THE HIGH END, HAVING 70% OF OUR ROADS AT X OR Y BETTER OR IS 50?
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>> TWO THINGS. I'VE DONE THE RESEARCH, I DIDN'T SEE A POLICY.
THERE WAS ONE PRESENTATION, I THINK, BACK IN 2015 OR SOMETHING REFERRED TO SOME 1990 POLICY, BUT I COULDN'T FIND IT.
>> THERE WAS NEVER A NUMBER ESTABLISHED.
THEN THE OTHER THING IS, DEFINITELY, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND PRESENT YOU WITH THE INFORMATION AND PRESENT US WITH THE INFORMATION OF WHAT WOULD THAT DO, ESPECIALLY NOW SINCE WE'RE GOING TO BE RUNNING THE MODEL BASED ON THE NEW LOGIC.
>> THEN YOU TALK ABOUT BRIDGES, AND I GUESS THEY'RE DONE EVERY TWO YEARS IS WHAT YOU SAID, BUT YOU ONLY HAVE ONE MILLION FOR EMERGENCY REPAIRS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, I CAN'T REMEMBER ON WHAT PAGE, I GUESS PAGE 27, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, YOU GAVE US ONE IS FAILURE TO FOUR IS OKAY.
IN OTHER WORDS, I'M ASKING IS $1 MILLION ENOUGH FOR EMERGENCY BECAUSE IF YOU'RE ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU'VE GOT SOME THAT ARE IN THE MIDDLE THAT ARE PROBABLY GOING TO GO TO NEAR FAILURE, YOU MAY NEED THREE OR FOUR MORE MILLION.
>> WELL, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
LET ME START BY SAYING, IS THAT CURRENTLY IN THE CURRENT IMP, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THAT AND I TRIED TO DO THE RESEARCH?
>> THEY CAME UP WITH A 3.4 MILLION IN YEARLY NEED AND ONE MILLION TO BE IN SPARE EMERGENCY.
THEN THE QUESTION IS, HOW DID THEY COME UP WITH THE 3.4? I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT.
BECAUSE ONE YEAR, I MAY NEED 10 MILLION.
>> THE NEXT YEAR, I NEED TWO MILLION.
THIS IS WHAT WE STARTED DOING.
THEN IF YOU SEE THAT WE HAVE THE MEMO TO THE COMMITTEE ON OUR WORK.
WE'RE STARTING TO LAY OUT THE PROJECTS AND THE BRIDGES THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
I WANT TO START GETTING INTO A TWO YEAR SYSTEM, SO THAT BASICALLY, YEAR 1, THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DO.
THIS IS YEAR 2, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO TO COMPLY WITH AND RESTORE THESE BRIDGES SO THAT WE CAN START GETTING ON THE CADENCE, AND THEN WE CAN DETERMINE, OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS, THIS YEAR, I'M GOING TO NEED FIVE, NEXT YEAR, I'M GOING TO NEED THREE.
START HAVING SOMETHING INSTEAD OF JUST PUTTING OUT THE NUMBER THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ADEQUATE.
>> BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY NEEDED IN THE SECOND YEAR, I'M GOING TO START MY BUDGETING PROCESS NOW, SO IT'S USING THAT DATA IN RESOURCE ALLOCATION.
>> MY NEXT QUESTION TOO, IS YOU GAVE US A LIST OF ALL THE VARIOUS THINGS THAT WE SEE PEOPLE THAT THEY DO.
RIGHT OF HERE'S THIS EXAMPLE WHERE THEY SHUT OFF ONE LANE AND THE STEEL PLATES.
ARE WE GOING TO PUT PENALTIES WHEN WE HAVE THESE ORDINANCES? HOW ARE WE GOING TO ENFORCE IT? THEN ARE WE GOING TO PUT STIFF PENALTIES? BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU TAKE AWAY A SIDEWALK RIGHT NOW, YOU GET CERTAIN FREE DAYS AND THEN YOU PAY.
IS THAT GOING TO BE THE SAME FORMAT?
>> SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS STEEL PLATE IN THE TABLE, I PROPOSED A $250 FLAT FEE PER PLATE PER LANE TO START WITH.
THIS IS APPLICABLE FOR 14 DAYS, BECAUSE 14 DAYS IS A REASONABLE TIME TO PROVIDE A CONTRACT.
>> FOURTEEN WORK DAYS OR 14 CALENDAR DAYS?
>> CALENDAR. THAT IS A REASONABLE TIME FOR A CONTRACTOR TO COME IN, EXCAVATE, DO WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO AND COME BACK AND DO IT.
BECAUSE IF THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE LONGER THAN THAT, I'M SAYING IS, MAYBE IF YOU'RE WAITING ON MATERIAL, WELL, MAYBE YOU NEED NOT TO OPEN CUT THE ROADWAY UNTIL YOU HAVE THE MATERIAL READY TO GO.
THEN WE'RE SAYING IS THAT AFTER THAT, THEN IF IT TAKES YOU 21 DAYS, THEN WE START CHARGING YOU AS IF LIKE THE LANE RENTAL, LIKE WE HAVE IT, AND START CHARGING FOR THAT.
>> CORRECT. [OVERLAPPING] FOR THAT.
BY DOING SO, THAT WILL BE, AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE BETTER HANDLE ON IT.
>> WILL OUR BICYCLE AND OUR BIKE AND SIDEWALK PLANS, THEY GET INTEGRATED IN ALL OF THIS AS LIKE AN OVERLAY.
DOES A BICYCLE LANE GET THE SAME AS IF IT WAS A TRAFFIC LANE OR A SIDEWALK? IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY INDICATOR OF EACH.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BE IF YOU'RE TAKING AWAY THIS, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS.
>> YES. I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT IS IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE ON THE CLOSURE OF LANES.
BUT YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT, SO I'LL DOUBLE CHECK IF WE CLEARLY NOTE THE BIKE LANE.
>> I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT AI.
TWO, I'VE GOT THREE STATE HIGHWAYS THAT GO THROUGH MY DISTRICT.
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ARE STATE HIGHWAYS, CAN WE ENFORCE ANYTHING THERE UNDER THOSE JURISDICTIONS, OR IS IT BASICALLY THEY GET UNTOUCHED ON THIS?>> GENERALLY, THEY'RE UNDER TEXAS PURVIEW.
HOWEVER, ON A FEW OF THEM, ON SEGMENTS, FEW OF THEM, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PAVEMENT CONDITION.
>> BECAUSE THERE'S SOME BRIDGES AS WELL.
>> WE'LL BE WORKING AND LOOKING TO SEE IF A CERTAIN BRIDGE FOLLOWS IT.
>> THE BRIDGES ARE STILL UNDER TEXAS PURVIEW.
>> I BELIEVE THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, AND JUST A FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION AND THE DETAILS THERE.
WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE AI TECHNOLOGY THAT'S CURRENTLY ON, THAT WILL BE ADDED TO THE TRASH TRUCKS.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT COULD ALSO BE USED TO PERHAPS PARTNER WITH TO DO SOME OF THE SAME MANAGEMENT OR MONITORING?
>> TO ANSWER IS YES, WE CAN EXPLORE THAT ITEM.
WE HAVE ACTUALLY HAD INITIAL DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME OF THE AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES WHO ARE OPERATING IN DALLAS.
>> THAT WAS MY SECOND QUESTION.
>> HAVING THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE THEY'RE COLLECTING DATA, AND THEY'RE COLLECTING MORE SOPHISTICATED DATA ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE WERE HAVING SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
>> GOOD TO KNOW. BECAUSE THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS WITH THE AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES AND SOME OF THE DATA THAT THEY'RE COLLECTING. THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.
MY SECOND ONE WAS WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY MANAGEMENT.
AGAIN, I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU SAY ALL OF THESE THINGS THERE IN TERMS OF JUST MAKING SURE THEY'RE PUTTING UP THEIR TOYS WHEN THEY FINISH WORK IS WHAT I SAY.
WELL, MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT AND EVEN THE TRAFFIC DANGER THAT IT CREATES THERE.
THIS IS A QUESTION FROM MY OWN UNDERSTANDING.
ON THE SITE, DO THEY ALSO INCLUDE A TIMELINE OF HOW LONG THEY INTEND TO BE THERE TOO? BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES, PROJECTS COME UP AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ALSO INCLUDE, OR IS IT ALREADY THERE?
>> ANY PERMIT HAS TO HAVE A DEFINITE TIME.
>> WE SOMETIMES RUN INTO SITUATIONS WHERE PERMITS HAVE EXPIRED, BUT PEOPLE CONTINUE TO WORK.
WE GOT THAT. THEN, I THINK IN THE ORDINANCE, WE SAY THAT ALL PERMITS EXPIRE MARCH 1ST, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> I THINK WE HAVE THAT PROVISION IN THERE, AND THEREFORE, ALL TO BE RENEWED IF THEY'RE NOT ALREADY RENEWED.
>> THEN WILL THIS APPLY ALSO TO DWU PROJECTS AS WELL? [BACKGROUND]
>> IT APPLIES TO EVEN MY PROJECTS.
THE DWU PROJECTS CAN ALSO TURN INTO STREET PROJECTS.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE ALL OF IT WAS BEING TREATED ALL THE SAME.
>> ALL TREATED THE SAME WAY, INCLUDING, LIKE I SAID, THE ONES UNDER MY PURVIEW, AND I WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT AND MAKING SURE THAT I'M IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE TOO.
>> EXCELLENT. WELL, AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE WORK.
I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE SPENT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME RECENTLY IN KEYS VALLEY IN DISTRICT 3, REALLY ADDRESSING ALL OF THESE ISSUES WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS, EVERYTHING FROM THE EROSION FROM THE CREEK TO THE ALLEYS, TO WHOSE PROPERTY IS THIS TO STREET LIGHTS.
AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO IN DISTRICT 3, AS WELL AS WITH THE BRIDGE THAT YOU MENTIONED AS WELL.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS.
STARTING ON PAGE 20, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE WHEN YOU START THE PRESERVATION PROCESS, HOW LONG DOES THAT EXTEND THE LIFE CYCLE BEFORE YOU GET TO RECONSTRUCTION?
>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND I HAD IT IN THE SLIDE 11, PLEASE.
>> GENERALLY SPEAKING, BETWEEN 5 AND 10, AROUND THAT TIME DEPENDING ON [OVERLAPPING].
>> I'M SORRY. BETWEEN YEAR 5 AND 10 ON AN ASPHALT ROADWAY.
THIS IS WHEN WE START DOING THE PRESERVATION AND TO PRESERVE THE ROADWAY AND EXTEND ITS LIFE.
>> WHAT'S THE COST TO PRESERVE?
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HOW MUCH OF A BENEFIT DO WE GET IN THE PRESERVATION OPPOSED TO A COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION?>> I CAN TELL YOU THE RECONSTRUCTION PER LANE PER MILE IS ALMOST $780,000 VERSUS HOW MUCH IS THE SLURRY SEAL?
>> THE SLURRY SEAL IS 28,500 PER LANE PER MILE.
THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A SIGNIFICANT COST DIFFERENTIAL FOR US TO A SIGNIFICANT INTEREST, IF YOU WILL, IN US MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE PRESERVING THE ROADWAY.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR, THOSE ARE NUMBERS THAT WE USE FOR BUDGETING FOR THIS YEAR.
THOSE NUMBERS ARE NEVER STATIC.
THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO ESCALATE OVER TIME.
DO WE USE THIS PROCESS AS A GENERAL RULE, OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT FOR ALL THE CITY? DO WE USE THE PRESERVATION PROCESS THROUGHOUT THE CITY MAYOR?
>> YES, MA'AM. THIS IS THE REASON WHY I MEAN, MATTER OF FACT, I GOT LATELY GOT SOME EMAILS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS OR COUNCIL DISTRICT OFFICES SAYING, "HEY, THEY'RE READY TO OVERLAY IN MY DISTRICT ON THE STREET HERE," WHEN, IN FACT, WE'RE DOING THE SLURRY SEAL.
>> THEN CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE TIMING OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT COME IN AND DO CUTS OR EVEN YOURSELF? BECAUSE I NOTICED RECENTLY ON HAMPTON, RIGHT THERE AT WHEATLAND, YOU GUYS CAME IN COMPLETELY RE-DID SOME COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION.
THEN TWO WEEKS LATER, SOMEBODY CAME IN AND CUT IT.
THEN THEY DID A SORRY JOB, AND I'M GOING TO BE HONEST.
IT WAS A VERY POOR JOB OF PATCHING, AND THEY DIDN'T BRING IT BACK TO THE STANDARDS IN WHICH THEY CUT.
UNTIL THE FACT THAT IT BENT SOME RIMS ON CARS AS THEY WERE TRYING TO.
YOU CAN'T, IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF A ROAD, AND THE ROAD IS VERY HEAVILY USED ROADS.
FIRST OF ALL, LET ME THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT AND FIXING IT.
BUT HOW DO WE KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING? HOW CAN WE BETTER MANAGE WHO'S CUTTING THE ROADS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE GETTING READY TO DO COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION?
>> THIS IS AGAIN, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND HAS MULTIPLE ASPECTS TO IT.
I'LL START WITH WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING HERE INTERNALLY.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COORDINATING ON EVERY PROJECT, ESPECIALLY WITH DALLAS WATER UTILITIES.
CASE AND POINT, WHETHER BE IN HARRY HINES AND THE MEDICAL DISTRICT OR ROSS AVENUE.
THOSE TWO PROJECTS HAVE BEEN COORDINATED.
WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO REPLACE ALL WASTEWATER BEFORE WE START GOING IN AND RECONSTRUCTING THE ROADWAY.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, ALSO, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS ON MAJOR RECONSTRUCTION, ALSO SENDING IT TO ALL THE UTILITIES AND TELLING THEM, WE'RE DOING THIS WORK HERE.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT MAY IMPACT THE ROADWAY? HAVING SAID THAT, THE OTHER COMPONENT TO IT IS WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB IN MANAGING ON WHO'S PULLING THE PERMITS, WHO IS CUTTING THE ROADWAY AND HOW THEY'RE REPAIRING IT.
FOR EXAMPLE, ON A CONCRETE PAVEMENT, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GO LIKE 20 FEET BY 20 FEET, EVEN IF THE CUT IS A SMALL CUT.
WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN SOME INSTANCES WHERE ONLY THE CUT ITSELF IS BEING REPAIRED AND NOT AS PER THE PAVEMENT CUT MANUAL.
WHERE WE SAY, ON A GOOD ROADWAY, YOU HAVE TO GO BIGGER PANEL TO REMOVE IT SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE CONSISTENCY AND CONTINUITY.
THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT AND TO TRY TO IMPROVE ON BOTH FROM A PROCESSES' PERSPECTIVE AS WELL AS AN ACTUAL QUALITY CONTROL.
>> BUT WHAT WE CANNOT PREDICT IS THE EMERGENCIES.
IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY, LET'S SAY A WATER LINE BURSTS OR A SANITARY SEWER LINE BREAKS.
THEN THEY COME AND DO EMERGENCY REPAIRS, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CANNOT PREDICT.
>> WHAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN'T PREDICT EMERGENCIES,
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BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T BE EMERGENCIES.BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS HAVE NOTIFICATION WHEN THERE IS A CUT COMING BACK AND THEN MANAGING TO THAT CUT.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS FOR DEV, IS THERE A PROCESS OR A POLICY AT THE ACM LEVEL ACROSS THE UTILITIES THAT SAYS, "HEY, LOOK, I NEED TO CUT YOUR STREET." ONCE THEY'RE DONE, WHAT WE FIND IS THERE IS NO ONE WHO GOES BACK AND MANAGES WHETHER IT WAS A SUB, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A SUBCONTRACTOR.
THERE IS NO WAY TO I HAVE NOT SEEN US GO BACK AND WE LOOK AND MAKE SURE THE QUALITY OF THE REPAIR IS WHAT THE STANDARDS WE WISH TO SEE.
>> WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE RECENTLY IMPLEMENTED IS A PARTNER AGENCY EXECUTIVE TEAM MEETING, WHICH WE'RE HOLDING EVERY QUARTER TO IDENTIFY THESE MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.
WE HAD OUR SECOND MEETING JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
IT'S REALLY INTENDED FOR THAT PURPOSE, ALSO, IS NOT JUST AT THE STAFF LEVEL, WORKING ON SOME OF THESE THINGS.
BUT ALSO AT A MORE SENIOR LEVEL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING OUR VERY BEST TO IDENTIFY THEIR PROJECTS AND OUR PROJECTS AND MAKE SURE THERE'S THAT ALIGNMENT.
CERTAINLY, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION A COUPLE OF TIMES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO TRY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT SPENDING THE DOLLARS TO CUT THE PAVEMENT TWICE. THANK YOU.
>> DR. KEN CARLY, I'LL SAVE SOME OF MY QUESTIONS FOR OFFLINE BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN A LENGTHY DISCUSSION TODAY, ALTHOUGH A GOOD ONE.
BUT ONE THING I DIDN'T HEAR IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT I'D LIKE TO RAISE PUBLICLY, AND THAT IS, I FREQUENTLY GET COMPLAINTS FROM RESIDENTS THAT CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS GENERATING LARGE TRUCK TRAFFIC ARE DETERIORATING ROADS IN THEIR AREAS OF THE CITY.
THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY POLICY TO ASSIGN RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.
IT'S JUST GOING ON THE BACKS OF TAXPAYERS TO FIX THOSE STREETS.
CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT ISSUE IN THIS POLICY?
>> YES, SIR. I MEAN, THAT'S A GREAT POINT, AND MATTER OF FACT, WE'VE HAD THAT ISSUE ALSO IN DISTRICT 12, SO DEFINITELY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL ADD TO THE RESEARCH ON THE ORDINANCE.
>> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN FOR YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE ON.
IF YOU COULD PURSUE THAT OFFLINE, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM C, WHICH IS A BRIEFING MEMO ABOUT THE CITYWIDE FLEET ELECTRIFICATION AND CCAP UPDATE.
DO WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM STAFF TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM? WELL, DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM?
>> THANK YOU. ON PAGE 2, THE SECOND QUESTION.
IN THE SECOND PARAGRAPH, IT TALKS ABOUT 170 LIGHT-DUTY CCAP UNITS QUALIFY FOR REPLACEMENT, AND THAT 52 UNITS DON'T MEET THE MINIMUM UTILIZATION REQUIREMENT.
CAN YOU TELL US WHAT DEPARTMENTS ARE INTENDED TO HAVE REPLACEMENT VEHICLES AND WHICH ONES ARE NOT?
>> APOLOGIES, COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSONN.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET HOLD OF VINCENT, WHO PREPARED THIS BRIEFING MEMO.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS, THE 52 UNITS THAT DON'T MEET THE MINIMUM UTILIZATION, EXCELLENT WORK THAT YOU LOOKED AT THAT.
I MEAN, IN TERMS OF CCAP, I'LL JUST SAY NOT HAVING A VEHICLE ON THE ROAD IS PROBABLY THE BEST THING, BUT IT'S ALSO GOOD FOR US FINANCIALLY TO HAVE NOT PURCHASED OR LEASED VEHICLES THAT AREN'T NECESSARY.
I THINK THAT COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON WILL BE LOOKING AT OUR FLEET SITUATION.
I KNOW THAT THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED ON WORKING SOME OF THE DATA, BUT THIS IS A VERY BIG ISSUE FOR US.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT 52 UNITS OUT OF 170,
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THAT'S A VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE THAT WEREN'T ACTUALLY NECESSARY.I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE DEPARTMENTS, THOUGH.
WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT, THERE ARE SOME DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE BETTER SUITED FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES THAN OTHERS.
I KNOW AT ONE POINT, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THERE WAS EVEN DISCUSSION THAT PERHAPS A PATROL CAR WOULD BE ELECTRIC.
THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA IN GENERAL.
WE CAN'T HAVE A VEHICLE STOP AND TAKE TIME TO CHARGE.
THAT'S A VERY UNSAFE SITUATION.
I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT DEPARTMENTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT THEIR USES ARE.
PERHAPS THERE CAN BE A FOLLOW-UP MEMO IF THERE'S NO ONE AVAILABLE. THANK YOU.
>> WELL, SEEING THAT STAFF IS NOT HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
I'D LIKE TO SKIP AHEAD TO BRIEFING MEMO E-TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS, SINCE DR. KANKARI IS HERE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE QUARTERLY UPDATE, HE IS PRESENT TO ANSWER THEM.
ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT BRIEFING ITEM? YES. MISS MENDELSONN.
>> THANK YOU. FOR EXHIBIT A, I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO ASK IF THAT LISTING COULD BE DONE BY DISTRICT NUMBER AND THEN ALPHABETICAL STREETS WITHIN THAT.
>> YES, MA'AM, THE INTENT IS FOR THE NEW FY 25-26, AND WE DO THAT TO TRY TO SORT IT BY DISTRICT.
>> THEN FOR EXHIBIT C, IT'S A LITTLE BIT SHOCKING THAT WE ONLY WORKED ON ONE SIDEWALK THE ENTIRE FISCAL YEAR, DON'T YOU THINK?
>> THIS IS A LITTLE BIT. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY MISREPRESENTED, BUT THE POINT BEING IS, I'M REPORTING WHAT IS IN THE GENERAL FUND.
I'M NOT REPORTING WHAT IS IN THE BOND, AND I'M NOT REPORTING WHAT WAS HANDLED THROUGH THE DARK PTI, WHICH IS COMING IN.
WE'RE GOING TO BE REPORTING ON THOSE AS A SEPARATE DEAL BUT FROM A GENERAL FUND PERSPECTIVE, WE ONLY HAD $350,000 IN THE GENERAL FUND IN LAST YEAR, AND I THINK THIS YEAR, PROBABLY AFTER THE AMENDMENTS, WE NETTED 500 OR SO.
>> FOR THE PROJECTS THAT WERE PLACED ON HOLD, AND THANK YOU FOR CALLING THEM OUT THE WAY YOU DID, HOW WILL WE KNOW? ARE THEY GOING TO BE AUTOMATICALLY MOVED TO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR? HOW WILL WE BE ABLE TO TRACK THAT?
>> WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS PUT THE REASON WHY THEY WERE PUT ON HOLD.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE WAS A PROJECT THAT WE PUT ON HOLD BECAUSE THERE WAS POTENTIAL UTILITY THAT WILL BE WORKING IN THAT AREA, DEFINITELY, THEY WILL ROLL THEM OVER AND WE'LL REPROGRAM THEM.
>> WELL, I KNOW THAT WE HAD A SECTION OF FRANKFORT THAT WAS ON HOLD BECAUSE WE KNEW DW WAS COMING IN.
I DEFINITELY SUPPORTED THAT, AND APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT IT TO BE REPAVED AND THEN DUG RIGHT BACK UP.
BUT ARE YOU GOING TO THEN TAKE ALL THOSE ITEMS THAT WERE CROSSED OUT IN THE VARIOUS COLORS AND MOVE THEM TO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, OR?
I CAN ADD BASICALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY ON WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM.
BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING IN THE REASON WHY THEY WERE PUT ON HOLD.
THEN MAYBE WE'LL ADD THE COLUMN OF WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP ON?
>> I'M JUST WORRIED THAT SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS WON'T HAPPEN BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO FALL OFF THE LIST.
I JUST WANT TO HOPEFULLY GET THEM SCOOTED OUT.
>> BUT I WANT TO SAY THAT THESE EXHIBITS ARE JUST SO MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT WE USED TO HAVE, AND PROVIDE SO MUCH MORE INFORMATION.
I KNOW I'M GOING TO PULL OUT SOME OF THE PROJECTS IN DISTRICT 12 JUST TO BE ABLE TO SAY, LOOK, HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE WAY YOU'VE CHANGED THIS.
>> YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU SO MUCH. MISS BLACKMON.
>> THANK YOU. WHAT YOU'VE GOT IT BROKEN OUT HERE, LIKE GENERAL FUND EXHIBIT A EXHIBIT B BOND.
YOU'RE NOT INCLUDING BOND, BUT YOU ARE INCLUDING BOND.
>> THE REASON WE DID THIS HERE ON THE ROADWAY IS TO ILLUSTRATE HOW MUCH WE'RE DOING COMPARED TO WHAT IS WHAT WE COMMITTED TO IN THE BUDGET BOOK.
THAT'S THE REASON BECAUSE THIS IS WHY I DID THE TABLE, AND WE SAID THAT IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET BOOK, WE COMMITTED THAT WE'RE GOING TO TREAT 710 LANE MILES, AND WE ACHIEVED 713 LANE MILES OF TREATMENT.
>> THEN I GUESS WHAT MY MAIN THING WAS TO ASK IS, IS IT EASY TO PUT IT IN A MAP FORM? YOU REMEMBER THAT ONE TIME YOU HAD THAT HUGE MAP FOR ME THAT SHOWED ALL THE STUFF AND IT'S A BETTER VISUAL THAN A LIST.
THEN DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT, BUT I KNOW BRITTA TURNED IT OVER IN NOT EVEN A DAY, AND BASICALLY PLOTTED OUT WHAT.
CAN WE REMEMBER WE HAD THAT BIG MAP THAT WE TOOK EVERY.
>> HAPPY TO DO IT. IT'S A GIS FILM AND HAPPY TO PRODUCE A MAP OF WHAT WE HAVE.
>> IT'S JUST EASIER THAN IF YOU WANTED TO DO IT,
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BREAK IT DOWN BY DISTRICT, THAT'S FINE.BUT BECAUSE RIDLEY, YOU AND I, WE SHARE ABRAMS ROAD.
SOMETIMES IT'S JUST EASIER TO SEE IT ON A MAP.
THAT WAS MY COMMENT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE HAD A BIGGER MAP THAT WE TOOK AROUND ALL OF THEM.
BASICALLY, DEFINITELY, WE'LL SORT THEM IN THE LISTING BY DISTRICT, AND WE'LL DO A GIS MAP FOR YOU.
>> THAT'S EASY JUST TO PUT IN YOUR NEWSLETTER THAN THE LISTING, BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD RATHER LOOK AT, WELL, WHERE'S MY STREET? THANK YOU.
>> DOCTOR, KEN CARLY, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO ADD TO THIS QUARTERLY UPDATE THE UPDATED OVERALL CONDITION OF STREETS AND BRIDGES SO THAT WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS AND WHAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR?
>> LET ME GO AHEAD AND TAKE THAT ONE.
I THINK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO COLLECT A LOT OF INFORMATION, AND WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE IT TO YOU IN DIFFERENT FORMS AND FORMAT.
THIS REPORT WAS INTENDED TO REALLY HAVE SOME TRANSPARENCY AND VISIBILITY.
THE IMP IS THE FORM AND FORMAT THAT WE'VE USED TO IDENTIFY THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING FORWARD IN ANY GIVEN FISCAL YEAR.
WE CAN TRY TO COME UP WITH A MAP THAT SORT OF OVERLAYS SOME OF THIS, BUT IT IS PRETTY GRANULAR DATA.
HAPPY TO TAKE THAT OFFLINE AND MAYBE FIGURE OUT A GOOD WAY FOR YOU GUYS TO SEE THIS PRIORITY OF WORKING ON THE RIGHT PROJECT.
>> THAT'S MY POINT IS THAT THIS DATA IS VERY GRANULAR, AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO JUDGE THE FOREST FROM THE TREES.
IF WE COULD INSERT SOME OVERALL INFORMATION ABOUT THE CONDITION OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE COMMITTEE.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM?
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK.
>> LET'S GO BACK TO ITEM D, SEPTIC TO SEWER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM RELAUNCH BY DWU.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ABOUT THIS ITEM OR ANY COMMENTS?
>> I JUST WANTED TO SAY, THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. ON PAGE 2, IT'S OUTLINED THAT IT'S $935,000 IT'S BEING ALLOCATED.
I'M WONDERING HOW THAT NUMBER WAS DETERMINED, HOW THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT, AND WHAT HAPPENS IF MORE OR LESS IS NEEDED.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, SARAH STAND FOR DALLAS WATER UTILITIES.
AFTER HAVING THE DISCUSSION AROUND THE HORSESHOE DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, THE OFFICE OF BUDGET AND ALL OF US LOOKED AT IT AND RESTORED IT TO THE ORIGINAL LEVEL THAT WAS IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR FY-26 AS A MULTI-YEAR ACCOUNT.
SHOULD FUNDS BE INSUFFICIENT AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE HAVE GREATER SUCCESS, THEN WE'LL BE BACK WITH YOU TO PROPOSE AN ADDITIONAL FUNDING SOURCE.
>> WHAT IF THE DOLLAR AMOUNT ISN'T SPENT, AND OVER WHAT PERIOD?
>> WHAT THE INTENTION IS AND WITHIN THE MEMO, IT LOOKS LIKE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO WRAP UP THE LAST OF THOSE IN FY-28.
SEPTEMBER 30 OR BY 29TH, IF THOSE FUNDS ARE NOT UTILIZED, THEN THEY WILL GO INTO THAT UNSERVED ACCOUNT THAT STAYS OVER IN THE GENERAL FUND, THEY'LL BE UNSPENT AND REALLOCATED THROUGH A BUDGET PROCESS.
>> ALL YOU NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, MAKE A NOTE TO THAT SO THAT YOU CAN GO BACK AND GET THAT MONEY. THANK YOU.
>> ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS BRIEFING ITEM D? WELL, LET'S GO BACK TO ITEM C THAT WE STARTED, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT OUR ACM GIBSON IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WHO ELSE HAD QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? YES, MR. ROTH.
>> WELL, THANK YOU FOR COMING IN.
IF I UNDERSTAND THIS SITUATION, WE'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO ALREADY FUND THROUGH THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY OR THROUGH CARGO OR SOME OTHERS THE ABILITY TO BUY SOME OF THESE VEHICLES, AND THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THROUGH THEIR $60 MILLION.
>> ALLOCATION. IS THAT WHERE THESE FUNDS ARE COMING IN FOR THE US.
>> DONS GIBSON CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, BUT I DO WANT TO WARN YOU, IT'S A COMPETITIVE PROCESS.
IT'S NOT LIKE FORMULA BASE WHERE THE CITY OF DALLAS GETS AN AUTOMATIC ALLOTMENT.
THESE GRANTS HAVE BEEN VERY COMPETITIVE OVER THE YEARS.
THEY'VE ALSO NOT JUST BEEN GOVERNMENT ONLY OR GOVERNMENT CENTRIC.
IT'S BEEN A LOT OF PRIVATE SECTOR OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE THE COG DOESN'T JUST TYPICALLY CONFINE THESE OPPORTUNITIES JUST TO OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES.
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IN YEARS PAST, WE'VE APPLIED, BUT NOT ALWAYS RECEIVED FUNDING, [OVERLAPPING] OR THAT WE RECEIVE SOMETHING LESS THAN WHAT WE ACTUALLY APPLIED FOR.>> ALLOCATION. THEN ON THE CHARGING STATIONS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THOSE ARE ALSO THE INITIAL INSTALLATION OF THESE CHARGING STATIONS.
THOSE HAVE BEEN SOMEHOW FUNDED THROUGH EITHER FEDERAL OR STATE GRANTS.
I'M TRYING TO ASK HOW WE'RE PAYING FOR THOSE INITIAL INSTALLATIONS.
I UNDERSTAND WE'RE GETTING MONEY FROM OTHER PLACES. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> YES, SIR. THERE'S A COMBINATION OF WAYS THAT SOME OF THESE CAN ACTUALLY COME TO US.
MORE RECENTLY, WHEN WE ACTUALLY ACQUIRE THE ACTUAL VEHICLE ITSELF.
OFTENTIMES THE MANUFACTURER AS AN INCENTIVE FOR BUYING THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE WILL ALSO SUPPLY THE ACTUAL CHARGING EQUIPMENT ITSELF.
NOW, THE CITY HAS THE COST AND RESPONSIBILITY OF HAVING IT ACTUALLY FIXED AND INSTALLED, BUT OFTENTIMES THAT CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE WILL COME AS A PART OF THE PRICE OF THE VEHICLE, IT'S A ADD IN.
THERE ARE OTHER OCCASIONS WHERE WE'VE ACTUALLY RECEIVED GRANT FUNDS FOR IT.
THERE'S BEEN OTHERS LIKE HERE AT CITY HALL, WHERE WE'VE ACTUALLY REPLACED SOME OF THE CHARGING STATIONS HERE, BUT IT'S BEEN AT OUR BUDGETED COST.
>> YOU'VE MENTIONED SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL CHARGING STATIONS, THE ACTUAL LOCATIONS WHERE THE PLUG IN.
SOME OF THOSE FUNDS ARE COMING FROM THE MANUFACTURERS OF THE CARS THAT ARE IN THE TRUCKS THAT THEY'RE SELLING?
>> YES, SIR. MOST OF THESE CHARGING STATIONS, IF NOT ALL OF THEM ARE ON CITY PROPERTY.
THEN THE ACTUAL CHARGING DEVICE, THE ELECTRONIC CHARGING VEHICLE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE, LIKE I SAID, COME FROM A NUMBER OF RESOURCES.
IN SOME INSTANCES, THERE ARE ADD INS WHERE THEY ACTUALLY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU'RE GOING TO BUY X Y Z FROM ME.
IT ACTUALLY COMES WITH THE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE.
YOU JUST NEED TO GO HAVE IT INSTALLED.
AS MUCH AS THERE ARE GRANTS WE'VE APPLIED FOR, WHERE WE'VE BEEN AWARDED DOLLARS FOR ACTUALLY DOING THE SAME FOR THE ACTUAL HARDWARE AND THE INSTALLATION ITSELF.
THEN THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF THEM THAT WE'VE JUST PUT IN ON OURSELVES BASED ON OUR EXISTING BUDGET FOR SUCH.
>> WE'RE GETTING FUNDS TO DO THE INSTALLATION OF THE EQUIPMENT, AS WELL AS THE ACCESSORY AND THE ATTACHMENT, FF&E, WHATEVER IT IS?
>> WHAT IS OUR PLAN FOR AFTER WE END UP WITH THE STARTING WHO MANAGES THESE STATIONS? HOW DO WE MANAGE AND REPAIR AND MAINTAIN THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY, THESE NEW THINGS? I REALLY AM IN FAVOR OF TRYING TO SAVE MONEY TO TRY TO GET OUR FLEET INTO A MORE MODERN AND COST EFFICIENT AND ENVIRONMENTALLY EFFICIENT WAY.
WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS IT MANAGING THE MAINTENANCE, REPAIR AND THE TECHNOLOGY OF RUNNING CHARGING STATIONS IS A UNIQUE AND A SPECIAL TALENT, I'M WONDERING IF THE CITY, IF WE HAVE THE RESOURCES, THE PERSONNEL, THE EXPERTISE TO REALLY CARRY ON THAT OPERATIONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND EXPENSE, AND IF WE DON'T, HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT AND PLAN FOR THAT?
>> THOSE ARE ALL REALLY GREAT QUESTIONS.
I'M HAVING A DEJAVU MOMENT FROM FIVE YEARS AGO.
WHEN WE SIGNED A TEN YEAR CONTRACT WITH FORD MOTOR COMPANY, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MASTER SERVICES AGREEMENT, WHERE WE ACTUALLY BUY A CHARGING STATION, ALL OF OUR EV INFRASTRUCTURE CHARGING EQUIPMENT, WE BUY THEM FROM FORD MOTOR COMPANY.
IT'S A 10 YEAR AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY DID.
BECAUSE WHEN WE DID THE INITIAL ANALYSIS ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO ACTUALLY TAKE CARE OF THE EQUIPMENT, WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD HIRE AND KEEP TRAINED AND STAFF.
NOT TO MENTION, FORGIVE ME, I SAY THIS, BUT IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS BUSINESS WHEN DEALING WITH SUCH ISSUES SUCH AS ELECTRIFICATION.
WE THOUGHT OUR FIRST RUN AT IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER TO HAVE A THIRD PARTY DO THIS IN SOME FUTURE EVALUATIONS, WE MAY DECIDE THAT IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST TO BRING IT IN HOUSE.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A THIRD PARTY THAT ACTUALLY DOES THAT FOR US.
I WILL ALSO TELL YOU THAT THE LEVEL TWO CHARGING, THE SMALLER CHARGING STATIONS MAYBE NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHAT MOST PEOPLE HAVE AT THEIR HOME.
IF SOMETHING HAPPENS WITH THEM AND MORE OFTEN NOT, IT'S JUST AS CHEAP TO ACTUALLY REPLACE THEM AS MUCH AS IT IS TO REPAIR THE CORE COMPONENT OF IT THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY DOING MOST OF THE WORK IS WHAT'S MOST EXPENSIVE TO REPLACE ANYWAY, AND THE MOST LIKELY COMPONENT TO FAIL.
OFTENTIMES WE JUST REPLACE IT.
A LEVEL THREE CHARGERS, WHICH ARE MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE.
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WE HAVE A FAIRLY ROBUST MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE THAT FORD IS SUPPOSED TO ADHERE TO.THEY DO ALL THE MAINTENANCE, AND SO WHEN ONE FAILS OR NEEDS SOME FORMAL REPAIR, WE HAVE SERVICE THROUGH OUR FORD MOTOR COMPANY AGREEMENT.
>> IS THERE BEEN SOME AGAIN, IS THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND MAYBE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED OFFLINE, BUT HAS THAT BEEN ON A PROJECTED CONVERSION TOTALLY TO ELECTRIC VEHICLES? IS THIS A MODIFIED? IS THERE A STRATEGIC PLAN TO DO IT IN A SEQUENCED OR TRANSITIONAL APPROACH? IS WHAT SORT OF THE PLAN FOR THE CITY IN THAT DIRECTION? MY REASON FOR ASKING IS YOU SPECIFICALLY ASKED ABOUT FORD.
FORD HAS ALREADY MADE SOME ANNOUNCEMENT PUBLICLY THAT THEY ARE CONTINUING TO CONSIDER AND TO CREATE HYBRIDS AND REGULAR GAS POWERED, AS WELL AS GOING TO.
THEY'RE NOT CONVERTING THEIR WHOLE PROJECTION TO ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A RUNWAY FOR BEING ABLE TO SERVICE OUR NEEDS.
WE OFTEN HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH FORD.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY WERE A VALUE PARTNER IS BECAUSE THEY GAVE US A LONG TERM PROJECTION AND STAYING IN THE BUSINESS.
NOW, THEY EBB AND FLOW, LIKE MOST COMPANIES HAVE DONE RECENTLY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT HOW MUCH FURTHER EXPANSION THEY MAY HAVE, BUT THEY'VE LET US KNOW THAT THEY'RE COMMITTED.
THAT'S PART OF ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE FIGURED IN THAT TEN YEAR HORIZON, WE'D PICK AN INDUSTRY LEADER THAT HAD SHOWN THAT LEVEL OF INVESTMENT.
THERE WERE SEVERAL COMPANIES THAT CAME TO US AND MANY OF THEM I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT I MET WITH, THEY'RE NOT IN BUSINESS ANYMORE.
WE THINK WE DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF PICKING SOMEBODY THAT THE CITY CAN RELY ON AND WE'VE BEEN HAPPY WITH THEIR PERFORMANCE THUS FAR.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
>> THANK YOU. CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY CNG IS PART OF THIS BECAUSE I THOUGHT CCAP WAS NOT WE'RE FOCUSED ON ELECTRIFICATION, NOT CNG.
CAN YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY IS WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT CNG?
>> I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTALISTS WILL SUGGEST TO YOU THAT ELECTRIFICATION IS THE WAY AND THE ONLY WAY, AND ANY FOSSIL RELATED FUEL IN THEIR MINDSET IS A NO GO.
WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS THAT YEARS AGO BEFORE ELECTRIFICATION HAD HIS EXPANSION, CNG WAS THE WAY TO GO BECAUSE IT'S A MUCH CLEANER FUEL TO USE THAN DIESEL.
MOST PEOPLE CONSIDER DIESEL TO BE ONE OF THE DIRTIEST FOSSIL FUELS TO BE ABLE TO USE.
MOST EARLY CONVERSIONS BEFORE ELECTRIFICATION WAS CUTE AND HOT, IT WAS CNG.
THE CITY ACTUALLY LED THE WAY AS FAR AS INFRASTRUCTURE IS CONCERNED AND DEVELOPMENT OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS AND CONTINUE TO DO SO.
MOST OF OUR LIGHT DUTY FLEET, AT LEAST TODAY, WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU, IT'S VERY EASY TO GO ACQUIRE LIGHT DUTY ASSETS THAT ARE ELECTRIFIED AND TO GET REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE ON THEM.
WHAT I WILL TELL YOU, WHICH IS STILL MORE ON THE BLEEDING EDGE, AND THERE'S THOSE WHO WANT TO ARGUE AND THEY BRING SOFT EXAMPLES OF WHAT I CALL CLASS EIGHT OR VERY LARGE HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES, AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY HAVEN'T CUT THE MUSTARD YET.
THEY'RE OUT THERE AND THEY'RE AVAILABLE TO PURCHASE.
BUT YOU KNOW, FORGIVE ME I SAY THIS, WE NOT IN THE EXPLORATORY BUSINESS WHEN WE'RE BUYING A PATCH TRUCK, OUR ASPHALT OR CONCRETE PATCH TRUCK, NOR DO I NEED THREE OF THEM WHEN ONE USED TO SUFFICE, EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A FUEL SOURCE THAT MIGHT NOT BE PREFERENTIAL TO CCAP.
THOSE ARE THE CONFIGURATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO BATTLE WITH, AND WE'RE TESTING AND TRYING OUT NEW EQUIPMENT.
IT'S JUST THAT THERE'S SOME FOLKS THAT TRY TO GET US TO GO HOLE HAG, AND WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO DIP OUR TOE IN AS IT RELATES TO HEAVY DUTY ASSETS.
WE'RE ALL IN, AND WE'RE MOVING AS FAST AS WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST TO ELECTRIFICATION AND OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH ENCORE WILL ACTUALLY ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO DO, BUT THE HEAVY DUTY ASSETS, I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME TECHNOLOGY ENHANCEMENTS THAT ARE TO COME, AND WE SEE PEOPLE WORKING AT THEM AND WE STAY DEBRIEFED ON IT.
BUT TO SUGGEST THAT WE GO HOLE HAG THE WAY WE HAVE WITH LIGHT DUTY, SEDANS, AND SMALL TRUCKS, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE INDUSTRY IS JUST NOT THERE YET, BUT WE BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO GET THERE, AND WHEN THEY DO OUR INVESTMENT WILL MATCH THE CREDIBILITY AND THE RELIABILITY THAT THEY OFFER.
>> THE CNG THAT WE'RE APPLYING FOR, ARE WE REPLACING CURRENT CNG, OR WHAT ARE WE REPLACING? ARE WE REPLACING JUST TRADITIONAL FOSSIL FUEL? BECAUSE IT SAYS WE'RE SEVEN UNITS, BUT IT SAYS EV AND CNG.
THEN OF COURSE, THERE'S FIVE UNITS OF CNG.
>> [OVERLAPPING] I'M INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT ARE WE SWAPPING OUT WITH OR ARE WE REPLACING?
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ARE YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE HEAVY DUTY.>> YES, MA'AM, I CAN GET YOU PARTICULAR ANSWERS, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, TRADITIONALLY, WE'VE USED THE SAME GRANT DOLLARS TO DO EITHER OR TO TAKE SOMETHING THAT WAS TRADITIONALLY DIESEL AND THEN UPGRADED IN OUR VIEW TO CNG.
SOMETIMES A CNG ASSET IS READY TO RETIRE AND WE REPLACE CNG FOR CNG.
IN FACT, TYPICALLY THE GRANT FUNDING MECHANISM, THE PERCENTAGE OF DOLLARS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR A PROJECT IS TYPICALLY DEPENDING ON WHAT FUEL SOURCE THAT YOU USE.
>> THEN FINALLY, WE ARE NOT DOING ANY CHARGING STATIONS THAT ARE PUBLIC FACING.
THESE ARE ALL FOR OUR OWN FLEET, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO THAT BUSINESS.
>> EQUIPMENT AND FLEET MANAGEMENT, WHEN WE STARTED DOWN THIS TRACK WITH OAQS, WE MADE A FEW DECISIONS, AND AT LEAST ON THE FLEET SIDE, WE'RE STILL RUNNING IN PARALLEL WITH THAT, WHICH IS, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND TIME AND ENERGY WORKING ON THE CITY SIDE.
THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK THAT WAS STILL BEING DONE WITH THE COG AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ABOUT THE SUPER HIGHWAY AND ALL THE FUNDING AND ALL THE DOLLARS THAT WE HAD HOPED AT ONE POINT THAT WILL BECOME AVAILABLE.
WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO AND PLACE A LOT OF CITY EXISTING RESOURCES THAT COUNSEL HAD ALLOCATED FOR THAT WHEN WE ASSUMED THAT AT THE TIME, DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATION, DIFFERENT TIMES SOME YEARS AGO, THAT A LOT OF THAT WAS GOING TO BE FUNDED WITH FEDERAL AND STATE DOLLARS.
WE DIDN'T WANT TO GET AHEAD OF THAT.
OAQS AT ONE TIME, WAS LEADING THAT CHARGE ON WORKING WITH THE COG DIRECTLY WITH PUBLIC FACING, WHETHER IT WAS GOING TO BE GRANTS TARGETED AT SOME EXISTING FOSSIL FUEL STATIONS TODAY AND OTHER LOCATIONS, BUT THAT'S BEEN A MISSION FOR OAQS.
>> GOT IT. THEN WE'RE PUTTING ONE AT HENSLEY FIELD?
>> I SAY, WE'RE PUTTING AT HENSLEY FIELD ARE PART OF THIS YEAR'S EXPANSION PLAN.
>> YES, MA'AM.. WHAT'S INTERESTING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT HENSLEY FIELD AND SOME OF THESE OTHER REMOTE LOCATIONS.
IT CAN BE VERY INTENSIVE DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO DRAW THE POWER FROM, AND IT CAN BE VERY EXPENSIVE.
WHAT WE'VE DONE AT HENSLEY AND A COUPLE OF OTHER PLACES HERE WHERE WE'VE DONE THE MATH AT THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH BRINGING POWER, AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE AND THE EXAMPLE THAT'S BEING GIVEN, IT'S CALLED THE CANOPY.
IT'S A SOLAR CANOPY THAT ACTS AS THE ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS.
THAT'S WHY YOU'LL SEE PLACES LIKE THAT.
WHAT'S NICE ABOUT THAT IS YOU CAN PICK THOSE UP AND YOU CAN MOVE THEM WHEREVER YOU NEED TO. YES.
>> I CAN SEND YOU GUYS A PICTURE OF IT. IT'S REALLY NEAT.
USUALLY CAN CHARGE THREE TO SIX VEHICLES BY EACH ONE OF THOSE.
YOU JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU GOT SUN LIGHT.
>> WE NEVER HAVE SUN HERE. THANKS.
>> I HAVE MAYBE A REAL SIMPLE QUESTION, AND I MAY HAVE MISSED IT.
YOU SAID THAT WE HAVE A TEN YEAR CONTRACT WITH FORD?
>> WHAT YEAR ARE WE IN THAT TEN YEAR CONTRACT?
>> DON'T HOLD ME TO IT, BUT I THINK WE'RE STARTING YEAR FIVE.
>> WE'RE CONTRACTING WITH FORD TO PROVIDE THESE CHARGING STATIONS, CORRECT?
>> DOES THAT MEAN AND I DON'T KNOW THE TECHNOLOGY WELL ENOUGH, BUT DOES THAT MEAN THAT FORD IS THE ONLY PROVIDER OF THE CAR THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE THAT CAN USE THESE CHARGING STATIONS, OR CAN ANY EV VEHICLE USE FORGE CHARGING STATION?
>> EXCELLENT QUESTION. THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG MILESTONES THAT WE HAD TO GO THROUGH BECAUSE TESLA, IN PARTICULAR HAS A VERY PARTICULAR MODEL.
THEY KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE COMPETITORS, AND SO THEY HAVE GONE A ROUTE THAT'S MORE UNILATERAL AND UNIVERSAL USE.
WE'VE BEEN BUYING TOYOTAS AND WE'VE BEEN BUYING OTHER EV TYPES FROM OTHER MANUFACTURERS AND THEY ARE ALL COMPATIBLE AND WORK WITH THE FORD INFRASTRUCTURE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE PARTNERED WITH THEM BECAUSE OF THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO.
I THAT I HAVEN'T TALKED TO VINCE ABOUT IT RECENTLY, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S IN THE BUSINESS MODEL, BUT I BELIEVE THEY ACTUALLY COME WITH SOME FORM OF AN ADAPTER THAT WILL WORK.
IF WE EVEN DID GO DOWN THAT ROAD, AT LEAST ON LIGHT DUTY FOR TODAY, THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE AS WELL.
>> MY LAST QUESTION, HAVE WE CONSIDERED IF WE HAVE THESE CHARGING STATIONS TO MAKE THEM AVAILABLE FOR RENT FOR WHETHER IT IS OR MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE FOR EMPLOY OUR EMPLOYEES TO UTILIZE THESE CHARGING STATION,
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AND IF THEY ARE IN THE PUBLIC REALM, A PLACE THAT CAN BE A RENTAL FOR A INCOME BASIS FOR THE CITY?>> THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS YES.
THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE BUY TODAY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A POINT OF SALE SYSTEM TO BE PLACED INTO IT BECAUSE WE'RE USING IT FOR IN HOUSE PURPOSES.
THERE'S NO TRANSACTION VERIFICATION THAT'S TIED TO A PAYMENT TODAY BUT THE CHARGING AND EQUIPMENT THAT WE ARE BUYING CAN DO THAT.
WE'VE TALKED TO OAQS AT ONE TIME EARLY ON, RELATIVE TO HAVING A EMPLOYEE SUPPORTIVE PROGRAM. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S A DEAD ISSUE, BUT I THINK IT'S BEEN PARKED FOR A MINUTE, WHILE WE HAVE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF BANDWIDTH AT ONE TIME ABOUT OFFERING FIRST, AN EMPLOYEE TYPE PROGRAM THAT WOULD USE AND POTENTIALLY SUPPORT THAT EFFORT.
THEN AS IT RELATES TO OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, THERE WAS AN OPEN DISCUSSION WE HAD, I DON'T KNOW, A FEW YEARS BACK, AS IT RELATED TO ACTUALLY LETTING THE PRIVATE SECTOR MANAGE THAT END OF THE BUSINESS AS IT RELATES TO REVENUE GENERATION THAT WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY GET IN THE BUSINESS OF YOUR LOCAL OLD SCHOOL, GAS STATION, SO TO SPEAK.
>> BUT I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER IF WE WANT EMPLOYEES TO HAVE ACCESS TO GETTING TO CITY HALL, AND WE HAVE THE SERVICES.
I WOULD SAY THAT WE MAY WANT TO OPEN THE DOOR FOR EMPLOYEES TO RECEIVE THE BENEFIT SO THAT IF THEY HAVE AN ELECTRIC CAR, THEY CAN GET BACK AND FORTH, WHETHER IT BE AT A FEE, A SMALL FEE OR FREE.
I WOULD THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT.
ONE OF MY STAFF MEMBERS SENT ME AN E MAIL SAYING, EXCUSE ME, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? [LAUGHTER] HASN'T BEEN FIVE YEARS.
IT'S BEEN JANUARY 31 OF 2024, TEN YEARS, $9.5 MILLION. THANK YOU, STAFF.
THEY LOVE THAT. THAT'S WHY THEY SENT ME THEIR TEXT.
[OVERLAPPING] WE'RE NOT IN YOUR FIVE. I APOLOGIZE.
>> I DO RECALL SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE CHARGE STATIONS, AND I THINK COG HAVING POTENTIAL GRANTS FOR THAT.
I THINK THAT THE COUNTY DOES SOMETHING LIKE THIS AT THEIR GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS, IF I RECALL, WHEN THEY OPEN SOME OF THEIR NEW STATIONS, THEY HAVE SOME PUBLIC FACING CHARGING STATIONS.
I WOULD DEFINITELY BE INTERESTED IN MAYBE BEING, ABLE TO OFFER THAT WHERE IT WOULD BRING IN SOME FUNDS, DEFINITELY HELP OUR EMPLOYEES, BUT THEN MAYBE BRING SOME FUNDS IN FOR THE CITY AS WELL.
THEN, I KNOW THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CHARGING STATIONS LIKE THERE'S A SUPERCHARGE AND A REGULAR CHARGE.
>> WE HAVE LEVEL 2 CHARGERS, WHICH PREDOMINANTLY CHARGED LIKE OVERNIGHT THAT AREN'T TOO DISSIMILAR TO THE MAYBE THE LEVEL 1S THAT YOU HAVE AT HOME.
THEN WE HAVE LEVEL 3 CHARGERS, WHICH MOST PEOPLE CONSIDER SUPER CHARGERS, WHERE THEY CAN, PRETTY MUCH FUEL THE VEHICLE AT 80 TO 90% IN ABOUT 20 MINUTES.
>> THANK YOU. I THINK THE QUESTION STARTED WITH ASKING ABOUT DEPARTMENTS.
OF THE VEHICLES THAT HAVE BEEN PURCHASED, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT DEPARTMENTS THEY'VE BEEN PURCHASED FOR AND FOR THE PLANNED ONES AS WELL? THEN I'LL JUST SAY I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED WHEN I'D SEEN IT SAID 63 DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE I'M ACTUALLY NOT AWARE WE HAVE 63 DEPARTMENTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SEE ON QUESTION NUMBER THREE IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH, IT SAYS ACROSS 63 DEPARTMENTS.
>> YOU'RE CORRECT. THERE'S NOT 63 DEPARTMENTS.
>> I DON'T HAVE A LISTING OF WHICH DEPARTMENTS, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT IT'S MULTIPLE, BUT I CAN BRING THAT BACK TO YOU.
WE CAN DO A FRIDAY MEMO FOLLOW UP, AND WE CAN GIVE YOU A LISTING OF WHICH DEPARTMENTS ALREADY HAVE ACTIVATED AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE.
>> I'D BE INTERESTED IN THE ONES THAT ARE COMPLETED IN THE ONES THAT ARE PLANNED, PLEASE.
>> COMPLETED AND PLANED. YES, MA'AM.
>> WHAT DEPARTMENT THEY'RE IN? YEAH. THANKS.
>> DONZEL, IN THE FIRST PAGE OF THE MEMO, FIRST BULLET TALKS ABOUT THE NCT COG GRANT APPLICATION FOR SEVEN UNITS BETWEEN EV AND C AND G. DO YOU KNOW THE BREAKDOWN BETWEEN THOSE TWO TYPES OF ENERGY?
>> NO, SIR, UNFORTUNATELY, I DO NOT.
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THE STAFF MEMBER THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE TODAY WITH ALL THOSE FACTS WAS UNAVAILABLE, SO BUT I WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT TO YOU.>> GREAT. ALSO, WITH REGARD TO PUBLIC FACING CHARGING STATIONS, I HAVE HEARD OF COMPANIES THAT ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF SUPPLYING THE HARDWARE AND THE SOFTWARE.
ALL THEY ASK OF THE CITY, IS A PLACE TO LOCATE THEIR DEVICES.
HAS ANYONE IN YOUR DEPARTMENT OR TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE IN OEQS EXPLORE THAT OPPORTUNITY?
>> AT EQUIPMENT AND FLEET MANAGEMENT.
NO, THEY HAVE NOT. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR OEQS.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN FOLKS THAT HAVE COME WITH SALES PITCHES OF SUCH.
I THINK OEQS HAS REALLY HAD THEIR FOCUS DEALING DIRECTLY WITH THE COG, BECAUSE OF THE DOLLARS THAT ARE COMING DOWN AS IT RELATES TO THE LOCATION, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY MAPPING OUT THE CONTRACTUAL PROCESS ALONG WITH THAT.
SOME OF THE PROPOSALS THAT PEOPLE ARE BRINGING, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN ALIGNMENT WITH THAT OR NOT.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS A WHOLE SEPARATE RFP TYPE PROCESS THAT THE COG WAS GOING TO DO AT ONE POINT FOR THAT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE PREMATURE FOR THE CITY TO ENGAGE IN THAT.
>> FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, ANY PUBLIC FACING CHARGING STATIONS WOULD NOT BE UNDERTAKEN BY THE EQUIPMENT AND FLEET MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, BUT WOULD HAVE TO BE UNDER THE AEGIS OF OE QS.
>> AT THIS TIME, I WOULD SAY THAT THE ANSWER TO THAT IS CORRECT, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, AT ONE POINT WHERE WE WERE DOING A DIVISION OF WORK, AS IT RELATES TO WHAT MAKES SENSE AND WHO HAD THE BANDWIDTH FOR THESE PROJECTS.
FLEET TOOK A VERY, TAKE CARE OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, CENTRIC.
WE WERE VERY CONCERNED AS IT RELATED TO MAKING SURE THAT WE HAD RESILIENCY.
IRONICALLY, WE'D JUST NOT BEEN TOO FAR AWAY FROM HURRICANE YURI, THE STORM THAT CAME THROUGH THAT CREATED A LOT OF ISSUES FOR US.
WE WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE COULD KEEP THE CITY'S FLEET GROUNDED AND READY TO GO IN EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND ALL OF THOSE OTHER THINGS.
OEQS, IN THE GREATER PARTNERSHIP IN THE REGION, AND THAT'S HOW A LOT OF THE DOLLARS WERE COMING FROM A REGIONAL STANDPOINT AND WHERE WOULD THAT GO AND WHERE WOULD DALLAS MAP INTO THAT REGIONAL VIEW? OEQS WAS THE LEAD THING.
>> WITH REGARD TO THE CURRENT EV FLEET, DO YOU HAVE STATISTICS ON HOW MANY VEHICLES THE CITY HAS THAT ARE FULL EVS, AND HOW MANY ARE CURRENTLY ON ORDER?
I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THOSE RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF ME.
I THINK THE MEMO COVERED SOME OF THAT.
I DON'T SEE THAT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.
WHAT I WILL DO IS I WILL ADD THAT TO THE LIST OF ITEMS, THAT WE RESPOND TO WITH OUR REGULAR FRIDAY MEMORANDUM. I THAT'S OKAY?
>> YES, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS AGENDA ITEM?
>> CHAIR, I'LL JUST SAY THAT I'VE BEEN ON TRANSPORTATION A LONG TIME.
THERE WAS A VERY ROBUST CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PUBLIC USAGE OF THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES, AND EVEN IF YOU LOOK IN OUR OWN PARKING GARAGE, YOU'LL SEE ALMOST ALL THE SPOTS ARE ALWAYS FILLED FOR CHARGING.
AND BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE 170 ELECTRIC NOW.
WE JUST ALWAYS HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE CAPACITY TO CHARGE OUR OWN BEFORE WE'D EVEN OFFER IT TO EMPLOYEES OR CERTAINLY THE PUBLIC.
MY RECOLLECTION FROM RTC, AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF YOU ARE THERE IS THAT NONE OF THE RECIPIENTS WERE ACTUALLY OFFERING NO RECIPIENTS WERE OFFERING IT TO THE PUBLIC OR THEIR EMPLOYEES.
IT WAS SOLELY FOR THEIR MUNICIPAL VEHICLES.
THERE MAY BE A SEPARATE PROGRAM THOUGH.
I KNOW THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAD A DESIRE TO PUT CHARGING STATIONS IN PLACES WHERE THEY COULD SEE THERE WERE HOLES.
THAT WENT FORWARD AND ALL OF THOSE LOCATIONS WERE SELECTED.
BUT PART OF THE CONVERSATION WAS ALSO JUST THIS THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE ONES WHO WOULD PICK THE WINNERS AND LOSERS OF A BUSINESS BY ALLOWING OUR LAND, AND THEN WHAT IF THINGS GO BADLY AND REMOVING IT, AND HOW WOULD THAT WORK?
>> THERE ALREADY ARE OPERATORS LIKE, I KNOW, UP IN MY AREA, SAM'S CLUBS IS PARTNERING WITH A VENDOR THAT'S PUTTING IN A LOT OF CHARGING STATIONS IN THOSE PARKING LOTS.
I THINK WE MIGHT NEED A FULLER BRIEFING TO ACCOMPLISH THE THING THAT I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, WHICH IS A WIDER AVAILABILITY. THANK YOU.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? THANK YOU, MR. GIBSON, FOR STANDING IN TODAY ON THIS ITEM.
THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS ITEM F FORECAST,
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FOR THE REST OF THIS YEAR.ANY QUESTIONS ON THE FORECAST? MISS MENDELSON.
>> WELL, I ACTUALLY HAVE ITEMS ABOUT THE UPCOMING ITEMS FOR FULL COUNSEL.
WOULD YOU WANT TO TAKE THOSE NOW?
>> FOR G AND H, BOTH OF THESE ARE PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE ORDERS.
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF MORE INFORMATION.
ONE'S OVER 3 MILLION, THE OTHER ONE'S OVER 1 MILLION. THEY'RE BOTH FROM.
>> MISS STANDIFER STILL HERE. YES.
>> YES. IT MIGHT SAVE US HAVING IT BE PULLED LATER.
>> ALL GOOD AFTERNOON, BAT PINK.
DEPUTY DIRECTOR, DOSAR UTILITIES.
>> JUST MOVE OUT A LITTLE CLOSER.
>> A LITTLE CLOSER. IS THAT BETTER?
WAY BETTER. I BELIEVE ITEM G IS FOR THE KEYST AND RIVERFRONT BOULEVARD BRIDGE PROJECT.
THAT PROJECT REPRESENTS ABOUT A 14% CHANGE ORDER, WHICH IS A LITTLE HIGHER THAN WHAT WE DESIRE.
WE TYPICALLY TRY TO STAY 5% OR UNDER.
IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF UTILITIES IN A CONSTRAINED AREA.
WE ALSO HAVE TWO LARGE WASTEWATER FORCE MEANS.
UNFORTUNATELY, MANY OF THE UTILITIES HAD TO BE CONSTRUCTED IN SEQUENCE AND BURIED UP TO 30 FEET DEEP WHEN THEY WERE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS.
THAT STEAD OF BEING ABLE TO CLEAR ALL THE UTILITIES UPFRONT, THAT SEQUENTIAL EFFORT REQUIRED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DEMOBILIZATION BY THE CONTRACTOR AND REMOBILIZATION.
WE TRIED TO WORK OUT AS MUCH OF THAT AS WE COULD TO KEEP THE WORK GOING.
IT JUST WAS NOT POSSIBLE TO DO SO WITHOUT A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE ORDER.
ANOTHER THING WAS WE HAD A LARGE FORCE MAIN, LIKE I MENTIONED, WASTEWATER, WHICH IS VERY OLD AND IT HAD MATERIALS THAT REQUIRED US TO CHANGE THE WAY WE CONSTRUCTED IT.
WE ALSO HAD TO PUT IN A BYPASS PIPELINE, WHICH WAS VERY EXPENSIVE JUST TO KEEP SERVICE.
THOSE WERE THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE ORDER AMOUNTS.
>> THEN FOR THESE VENDORS, IS THIS A COMMON THING? ARE YOU TRACKING ALL THE CHANGE ORDERS? COME THROUGH BY VENDOR?
>> YES, MA'AM. WE DO TRACK CHANGE ORDERS, SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENTS.
WE ALSO HAVE BEGUN TRACKING THE REASON, WHETHER IT WAS FOR A BETTERMENT, AIR AND OMISSION OR UNFORSEEN SITE CONDITIONS, SO WE CAN KEEP TRACK AND SEE IF THERE IS ANY PATTERN THERE IN TERMS OF OUR VENDORS.
>> THEN FOR ITEM H, HOW ABOUT THAT ONE?
>> YES, MA'AM. IMH IS FOR THE BACHMAN DAM AND SPILLWAY PROJECT.
IN THIS CASE, IT IS A VERY SIZABLE PROJECT, OVER $40 MILLION, AND THIS CHANGE ORDER REPRESENTS ABOUT 2.4% CHANGE, WHICH IS WITHIN THE NORMAL INDUSTRY STANDARD OF THREE TO 5% ON A PROJECT OF THIS SCALE.
THE PROJECT IS GOING TO BE COMPLETED APPROXIMATELY BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
WE DID HAVE A LOT OF CONCRETE WORK.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE'S BEEN ABLE TO SEE IT.
WE CREATED A LABYRINTH SPILLWAY THERE.
THERE WAS A ST AMOUNT OF CONCRETE WORK WHERE WE HAD SOME SOIL ISSUES WE HAD TO DEAL WITH.
ALSO THE DOWNSTREAM BACHMAN CREEK CHANNEL.
ONCE WE GOT IN TO REMOVE SOME OF THE VEGETATION THERE.
WE HAD IT WAS IMPACTING ONE OF OUR SLUDGE PIPELINES, OR ACTUALLY OF THE TREATMENT RESIDUAL PIPELINES FROM OUR BACHMAN TREATMENT PLANT.
WE HAD A REPAIR THERE THAT WE HAD TO DO AFTER WE MADE THAT CLEARING THAT WAS NOT WE WEREN'T AWARE OF, BUT WE HAD TO TAKE CARE OF IT AT THE TIME.
THERE WERE SOME THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE ALSO HAD SOME ADDITIONAL, FORTIFICATION ON THE SLOPES OF THE DAM, THAT WAS A BETTERMENT THAT WE DECIDED WAS IMPROVEMENT FOR THE LONG TERM STABILITY OF THE DAM.
TE WERE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE INCORPORATED THIS CHANGE ORDER.
>> THANK YOU. CHAIR, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ON R AND S WHEN YOU GET TO THAT.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT GRH?
>> WELL, I THROUGH I THROUGH M. YES. MR. ROTH.
>> AGAIN, I'M SORRY TO ASK TO COME BACK.
IN AN EFFORT TO AVOID ASKING THESE QUESTIONS AT IN THE COUNCIL MEETING,
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I WANTED TO GET EDUCATED A LITTLE BIT ON THIS.L IN PARTICULAR IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE CONSULTING DEAL 8000000-11 MILLION.
THAT'S AN AVIATION. YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION ON THAT.
WELL, AGAIN, OR MAYBE DEV CAN.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT PATRICK IS HERE WITH US THIS AFTERNOON TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION.
THIS IS AN AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH RGONDO ASSOCIATES WHO DOES OUR AVIATION PLANNING, AND I THINK YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT OUR EXTENSIVE LEAP PROGRAM AT LOVE FIELD.
WE ARE GOING TO BE RE SOLICITING THESE SERVICES AT A FUTURE DATE, BUT THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT EFFORTS THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON AS WE DEVELOP THE LEAP PROGRAM.
THIS IS AN EFFORT IN MAKING SURE WE HAVE THAT CRITICAL CONTINUITY.
BUT HAPPY TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION FROM PATRICK, IF YOU'D LIKE.
>> THEN ON P, THAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT IMPROVE INCREASE ALSO.
>> ITEM P. THAT'S TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS, AND I'M HAPPY TO HAVE GUSS RESPOND IF YOU'D LIKE.
BUT THIS IS AN ADVANCED FUNDING AGREEMENT, AND IT'S RELATED TO FUNDING OF THE EAST SET ROAD PROJECT.
GUSS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO COUNCIL MEMBER ROTH ABOUT THE CHANGE ORDER, THE SUPPLEMENTS EXCUSE ME ON ITEM P.
>> THIS IS THE AMENDMENT TO THE AGREEMENT WITH TEXTER ON THE ADVANCED FUNDING AGREEMENT WITH THEM.
>> AMENDMENT TO THE ADVANCED FUNDING AGREEMENT WITH TXDOT, TO INCREASE THE FUNDING ON THE PROJECT.
>> THEY'RE ADDING ADDITIONAL. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'RE ADDING MORE FEDERAL FUNDS TO IT?
>> IT'S A POSITIVE CHANGE FOR US.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
>> YES. ON RNS, IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE ARE THE SAME THEY DESCRIBED.
>> THEY'RE DUPLICATE. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT HAPPENED, BUT IT'S ONLY ONE ITEM. THEY'RE ONLY ONE ITEM.
>> IT WAS IT WAS JUST A TYPO? CORRECT.
>> IT'S ONLY 2 MILLION. IT'S NOT 4 MILLION FOR THE STREET CAR?
>> CORRECT. IT'S ONLY ONE ITEM.
IS THAT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE? IS THAT FOR DESIGN?
>> NO, SIR. THIS IS FOR THE OPERATION FOR THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF THE STREET CAR. IT IS IN THE BUDGET.
THIS IS THE COUNCIL RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE THE PAYMENT.
THAT'S WHY I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM. THANK YOU.
>> ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THE OTHER COUNCIL ITEMS?
>> I HEAR YOU SAY THAT IT'S A DUPLICATE, SO ON OUR AGENDA, IT WILL NOT BE.
>> THAT. 2.5 MILLION, NOT JUST TWO, JUST GOING TO SAY, BECAUSE WAY BACK WHEN IT WAS ONLY 1 MILLION.
DO YOU HAVE THE RIDERSHIP NUMBERS FOR THE STREET CAR?
>> I DON'T HAVE IT HANDY WITH ME, BUT I CAN'T HAVE IT.
>> COULD YOU HAVE IT FOR A MEETING FOR MEETING.
BECAUSE MY RECOLLECTION IS ABOUT 100,000, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LESS.
IF IT'S 100,000, IT'S $2.5 MILLION, WE'RE SUBSIDIZING EVERY RIDE 25 BUCKS OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND,25 BUCKS FOR JUST GETTING OVER THAT BRIDGE.
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE TRANSIT DEPENDENT PEOPLE WE HAVE, THAT'S NOT WHO'S ON THE STREET CAR.
I'M JUST GOING TO ASK YOU THIS.
WHEN DOES OUR AGREEMENT FOR THE TIGER GRANT RUN OUT?
>> IT'S ABOUT 30 YEARS AGREEMENT.
>> BUT WHAT WAS THE AGREEMENT WITH COG ON US PAYING FOR IT? WASN'T IT ONLY A COUPLE MORE YEARS?
>> THAT'S THE AGREEMENT WITH COG, BASICALLY THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT FOR 30 YEARS FOR ACCEPTING THE FEDERAL FUNDS?
>> WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO START REALLY LOOKING AT THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE VERY SERIOUS TRANSIT NEEDS AND $2.5 MILLION FOR LESS THAN 100,000 RIDERS, WHICH PLEASE COME BACK TO US WITH THE REVENUE THEY COLLECTED.
I BELIEVE IT'S JUST $1 A RIDE, SO THAT SHOULD MATCH WHAT THEIR RIDERSHIP IS.
THIS IS INSANE, AND THE NUMBER IS ONLY GOING TO KEEP GOING UP.
THIS THING GOES OUT OF SERVICE QUITE OFTEN.
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IF YOU SIGN UP FOR THE DART ALERTS, YOU'LL FIND OUT ABOUT IT, BUT, THANK YOU, AT LEAST IT'S ONLY ONE OF THEM.>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COUNCIL ITEMS? SEEING NONE, WE HAVE REACHED THE END OF OUR AGENDA AT 3:06 P.M.
THE MEETING IS NOW ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.