Oct 21, 2025 Housing and Homelessness Solutions

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GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. TODAY IS OCTOBER 21ST, 2025.

[Housing and Homelessness Solutions on October 21, 2025.]

APOLOGIZE FOR THE LATE START. WE ACTUALLY USUALLY START THIS MEETING ON TIME.

BUT IF YOU HAVE TRAVELED HERE ON THE TOLLWAY OR CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHY THE MEETING IS STARTING LATE.

OUR FIRST ITEM IS THE APPROVAL OF THE OCTOBER 7TH, 2025 HOUSING AND HOMELESS SOLUTIONS COMMITTEE.

MINUTES. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE MOTION FOR APPROVAL? IS THERE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS? HEARING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

OUR FIRST BRIEFING ITEM WE'RE GOING TO SKIP IT WAS POSTED INCORRECTLY WITH THE MAP.

SO WE ARE GOING TO SAVE THAT FOR NEXT MONTH. THAT WOULD BE BRIEFING ITEM A.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE DIRECTLY TO BRIEFING ITEM B WHICH IS HAVEN FOR HOPE.

THIS IS OUR CONTINUATION OF SERVICES THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN OTHER PARTS OF TEXAS, BUT NOT IN DALLAS, AND POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS OR ITEMS WE MAY WANT TO EVENTUALLY PURSUE.

IS OUR PRESENTER AVAILABLE? OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO SEE IF WE'RE HAVING A TECH ISSUE.

YOU MAY BE GOING THROUGH THIS AGENDA VERY FAST TODAY.

GOOD MORNING. OH GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US TODAY.

NO WORRIES. YES. I JUST I DIDN'T HAVE PERMISSION TO UNMUTE MYSELF SO I WASN'T ABLE TO SPEAK.

WELL, WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE YOU. I WAS JUST INTRODUCING THE ITEM SAYING THAT THIS IS ONE OF SEVERAL KINDS OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE THROUGHOUT TEXAS, BUT NOT IN DALLAS.

AND I KNOW MANY OF THE DALLAS COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF HAVE COME TO TOUR.

I BELIEVE YOU ACTUALLY LED THE TOUR WHEN I CAME SOMETIME DURING COVID.

BUT YOU HAVE A GREAT SLIDE DECK, AND WE'D LOVE TO HEAR ALL ABOUT HOW HAVEN HAS ADDRESSED HOMELESSNESS IN SAN ANTONIO AND ANY LESSONS THAT YOU CAN SHARE THAT MIGHT HELP INFORM A FUTURE DISCUSSION FOR US? ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO MY NAME IS ALBERTO RODRIGUEZ.

POINT OF ORDER. PUT YOUR CAMERA ON, ALBERTO. YES.

CAN YOU SEE ME NOW? THANK YOU. OKAY. HI. NO WORRIES.

GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS ALBERTO RODRIGUEZ. I'M THE VP OF OPERATIONS AT HAVEN FOR HOPE.

SO I'LL BE KIND OF JUST GOING OVER SOME OF THE HISTORY AND ABOUT HAVEN FOR HOPE AND THEN GIVE YOU ALL SOME TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY.

SO AS YOU MENTIONED, HAVEN FOR HOPE IS LOCATED IN SAN ANTONIO AND BEXAR COUNTY.

HAVEN STARTED IT WAS KIND OF A DREAM BACK IN 2005.

OUR BOARD CHAIR, EMERITUS BILL GREEHEY WAS WATCHING THE NEWS ABOUT HAVEN FOR HOPE OR THE HOMELESSNESS SITUATION IN OUR COMMUNITY AT THE TIME.

BACK IN 2005, YOU MIGHT RECALL, WE HAD HURRICANE KATRINA.

SO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WAS WELCOMING A LOT OF EVACUEES TO OUR COMMUNITY, AND THE MAYOR AT THE TIME HAD A PIECE ON THE NEWS ABOUT WANTING TO DO SOMETHING FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND THOSE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO THE STORY IS THAT OUR FOUNDER, BILL GREEHEY, CALLED THE MAYOR THE NEXT DAY KIND OF SHARED ABOUT WANTING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE HOMELESS SITUATION IN OUR COMMUNITY.

IF THE IF THE MAYOR WAS INCLINED TO DO SO AND HE WAS APPOINTED THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE TO THEN BE ABLE TO FIND HAVEN OR SAN ANTONIO SOLUTION TO HOMELESSNESS. AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW HAVEN FOR HOPE STARTED.

AND THEN I THINK I'M SEEING SOMEONE ELSE'S SCREEN AS BEING SHARED.

HANG ON JUST A SECOND. THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE PRESENTATION BACK. OKAY.

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THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND SO HAVEN HAS BEEN OPERATIONAL FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS.

WE JUST CELEBRATED OUR 15TH ANNIVERSARY THIS SUMMER.

AND IN THOSE 15 YEARS, WE HAVE SERVED 54,000 UNDUPLICATED INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH OUR CAMPUS.

SO THAT'S ROUGHLY ABOUT 3% OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S POPULATION.

SO DEFINITELY A SPACE WHERE A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS BOTH EXPERIENCING UNSHELTERED HOMELESS, CHRONICALLY HOMELESS AND FAMILIES DEFINITELY COMING IN THROUGH THE DOORS TO RECEIVE THOSE SERVICES. WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

HAVEN FOR HOPE HAS TWO OPTIONS FOR OUR CLIENTS.

WE HAVE WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER A TRADITIONAL HOMELESS SHELTER, WHICH IS OUR NORTH CAMPUS.

AND THEN WE HAVE A LOW BARRIER SHELTER OPTION AS WELL.

SO FOR OUR NORTH CAMPUS RIGHT. INDIVIDUALS ARE WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES WITH MINOR CHILDREN.

WE DO HAVE SOME ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE A BIT DIFFERENT FOR NORTH CAMPUS, BEING THAT WE DO SERVE ROUGHLY ABOUT 275 TO 300 CHILDREN ON ANY GIVEN TIME. SO THAT DOES REQUIRE INDIVIDUALS TO HAVE SOME FORM OF GOVERNMENT OR STATE ISSUED ID SO THAT WE CAN RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK AND ENSURE THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO BE ON OUR CAMPUS SAFELY. WE ALSO HAVE A BEAR, A BEAR COUNTY RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR 12 MONTHS WITHIN THE PAST TWO YEARS, AND THAT IS TO ENSURE THAT WE SERVE OUR POPULATION AND OUR COMMUNITY FIRST.

AS Y'ALL CAN THINK, WHEN THERE'S A NEW SHELTER OPENING UP OR NEW RESOURCES.

I LIKE TO SAY IF YOU IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME.

WHEN HAVEN FIRST OPENED, WE DID HAVE INDIVIDUALS AND OTHER CITIES AND STATES KIND OF BUSSING THEIR HOMELESS CLIENTS OVER TO HAVEN FOR HOPE INTO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. SO WE DID HAVE TO IMPLEMENT A BEXAR COUNTY RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR OUR NORTH CAMPUS.

OUR AVERAGE LENGTH OF STAY FOR NORTH CAMPUS IS ABOUT FOUR MONTHS.

INDIVIDUALS ARE ABLE TO STAY AS LONG AS THEY NEED TO, AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A HOUSING AND INCOME PLAN.

THAT IS PART OF THE REQUIREMENT TO BE ABLE TO STAY AND CONTINUE STAYING ON OUR NORTH CAMPUS.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT INDIVIDUALS HAVE DIFFERENT BARRIERS AND MAY NEED DIFFERENT SERVICES.

SO WE DO DEFINITELY WORK WITH THEM ON A PERSON CENTERED PLAN.

AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THAT, THAT ACTIVE CASE MANAGEMENT PLAN, THEY'RE ABLE TO STAY AS LONG AS THEY NEED.

BUT AGAIN, THAT AVERAGE IS ROUGHLY AROUND FOUR MONTHS.

AND THEN OUR SOUTH CAMPUS IS USUALLY WHERE WE SEE THE MOST OF OUR CLIENTS COME THROUGH.

SO OUR SOUTH CAMPUS IS OUR LOW BARRIER SHELTER.

IT IS ONE OF THE LOWEST BARRIER SHELTERS HERE IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.

AND INDIVIDUALS CAN COME AND GO AS THEY NEED TO.

THEIR AVERAGE LENGTH OF STAY IS ABOUT TWO MONTHS, BUT WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN THEIR LENGTH OF STAY OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.

BUT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN IMPLEMENTING A BED FOR ALL PROCESS.

SO SOUTH CAMPUS WAS INITIALLY OPENED AS A BEHAVIORAL MODIFICATION KIND OF APPROACH WHERE INDIVIDUALS SLEPT OUTDOORS ON LIKE ON THE, ON MATS. AND THEN THEY WERE PROVIDED THREE COLD MEALS A DAY.

OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE DETERMINED THAT THAT IS NOT NOT ONLY DIGNIFIED SLEEPING FOR THEM, BUT IT WASN'T MAKING ANY HEADWAYS AS FAR AS ENGAGEMENT AND GETTING THEM CONNECTED TO SERVICES. SO OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, WE'VE IMPLEMENTED SOME POLICIES TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE GETS TO SLEEP INDOORS.

MOST OF THEM DO STILL SLEEP ON THE FLOOR, BUT THEY'RE SLEEPING NOW IN AIR CONDITIONED SPACES.

AND WE'VE ADDED A LOT OF ADDITIONAL CASE MANAGEMENT AND SERVICES FOR SOUTH CAMPUS, TOO.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT INDIVIDUALS FROM ALL WALKS OF LIVES MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE READY TO ENGAGE, BUT THOSE SERVICES ARE THERE AVAILABLE FOR WHEN THEY ARE READY.

SO INDIVIDUALS ARE ABLE TO AGAIN, SLEEP INDOORS 24 OVER SEVEN AT NIGHT.

AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO ABLE TO CONNECT WITH THOSE SERVICES.

THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR IDENTIFICATION LIKE IDS.

BUT THEY DO NEED TO HAVE SOME FORM OF DOCUMENT JUST PROVING WHO THEY ARE, JUST SO THAT WE KNOW WHO WE'RE SERVING AT ALL TIMES.

AND THEN WE DON'T ACCEPT ANY MINORS ON OUR LOW BARRIER SHELTER CAMPUS.

WE DO ACCEPT REGISTERED SEX OFFENDERS INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE ACTIVELY UNDER THE INFLUENCE, ARE ALSO WELCOME TO COME IN.

THEY JUST CAN'T BRING IN THEIR ITEMS TO DRUG, WEAPONS, DRUG AND DRUG PARAPHERNALIA WITH THEM SINCE IT IS A SAFE, NO USE CAMPUS. BUT THEY ARE ABLE TO COME IN OUR SECURITY GUARDS, WHICH ARE OUR LIFE SAFETY TEAM, CARRY NARCAN WITH THEM TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THEM THROUGH ANY MEDICAL CRISIS THAT THEY MAY GO THROUGH.

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AS WE'RE SEEING THAT THEIR NEEDS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM THE REST OF OUR GROUPS WE ASSIGN THOSE SPECIALIZED CASE MANAGERS TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THEM AND GET THEM CONNECTED TO THE RESOURCES THAT THEY'RE NEEDING. WE DO HAVE HOUSING TEAMS AND INCOME DEVELOPMENT TEAMS AS WELL, TO BE ABLE TO ENSURE THAT ALL INDIVIDUALS ARE ABLE TO HAVE SOME FORM OF HOUSING PLAN OR INCOME PLAN ON, ON OUR CAMPUS. AND THEN WE ARE ALSO ONE OF THE FEW SHELTERS IN THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE A KENNEL AND A CATTERY FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH THEIR PETS THAT WOULD CHOOSE NOT TO RECEIVE SERVICES IF THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO BRING THEIR PETS WITH THEM.

WE ALSO SPECIALIZE IN WE HAVE A OUTREACH PROGRAM THAT COMMUNICATES WITH INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE ON PRETRIAL GETTING THEM, LETTING THEM KNOW WHAT RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE AT HAVEN.

AND THEN IT'S THEIR DECISION IF THEY WANT TO BOND OUT TO OUR SHELTER AND RECEIVE THOSE SERVICES WITH THEM.

AND THEN OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE'VE ALSO ADDED AN ACUTE CARE STATION WHICH OVER THE YEARS.

HAVEN FOR HOPE, WHEN WE FIRST OPENED, BECAME THE NUMBER ONE ADDRESS FOR EMS AND 911 CALLS.

SO IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ESTABLISH A MEDIC ON OUR CAMPUS FROM 7 P.M.

TO 7 A.M. THAT INTERCEPTS ALL OF THOSE CALLS.

SOMETIMES. RIGHT. OUR HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS USE THE ER, ROOM AS KIND OF THEIR PCP OFFICE.

OUR GOAL IS TO GET THEM CONNECTED WITH PCP CARE AND GET THEM THE RIGHT RESOURCES AT THE RIGHT TIME.

SO IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE TREATED DIRECTLY BY THE MEDIC, THEN THEY'RE ABLE TO DO SO WITHOUT HAVING TO CALL EMS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THEM OVER TO THE HOSPITAL. AND THEN WE'LL GO OVER TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

PART OF WHAT WE DO AT HAVEN FOR HOPE IS IS A COLLECTIVE MODEL APPROACH.

WE CAN'T DO ALL OF THE THINGS WE DO BY OURSELVES.

SO THIS SLIDE JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS SOME OF OUR MAJOR PROGRAMS. WE DO HAVE AN AMBASSADOR PROGRAM THROUGH OUR STAFF AS WELL, WHERE CLIENTS ARE KIND OF GIVING BACK OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.

RIGHT? SO OUR ELDERLY INDIVIDUALS THAT MAY NEED HELP WITH THEIR MAINTAINING THEIR YARD BEFORE CODE COMPLIANCE COMES IN THEY'RE ABLE TO GO AND ASSIST WITH THAT.

SOMEONE THAT MAY NEED A RAMP TO BE BUILT OR GRAFFITI ABATEMENT.

IT'S JUST A GROUP OF OUR STAFF, ALONG WITH CLIENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN OUR SHELTER, TO BE ABLE TO JUST DO SOME OF THAT COMMUNITY WORK AND GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE AMERICAN GI FORUM WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM HAVEN FOR HOPE, THAT HAS A TRANSITIONAL HOUSING PROGRAM FOR OUR VETERANS, AND WE CONNECT REGULARLY AND ROUTINELY WITH THEM.

ON ANY GIVEN DAY, WE HAVE ABOUT 100 VETERANS ON OUR CAMPUS.

SO WE'RE ENSURING THAT WE'RE GETTING THEM THE RIGHT BENEFITS AND GETTING THEM CONNECTED TO THOSE HOUSING RESOURCES AND OPPORTUNITIES.

WE HAVE THE CENTRAL DAVIDSON CLINIC THAT PROVIDES ALL THE PCP CARE FOR HAVEN FOR HOPE AND THE INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS OUT IN OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL. SUPER INSTRUMENTAL DURING COVID TO BE ABLE TO GET EVERYONE VACCINATED AND EVERYONE TESTED AND QUARANTINED DURING THAT TIME.

AND THEN WE HAVE OTHER MEDICAL PARTNER AGENCIES SUCH AS SAN ANTONIO CHRISTIAN DENTAL AND THE EYE CARE SAN ANTONIO THAT HELPS US ENSURE THAT OUR CLIENTS HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE SERVICES. THAT IS ALSO PART OF KIND OF THE VALUE PROPOSITION WHEN HAVEN WAS BEING DEVELOPED FOR THE REST OF OUR COMMUNITY.

HAVEN FOR HOPE IS IN ONE OF THE POOREST ZIP CODES IN THE STATE AND THE COUNTRY.

SO PART OF THAT BEING ABLE TO ASSIST THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY IN THOSE CLINICS WAS INSTRUMENTAL TO WHEN HAVEN WAS BEING BUILT AND CURRENTLY ABOUT 50% OF THEIR PATIENTS ARE COMMUNITY PATIENTS FROM, FROM THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE TERRACES AT HAVEN FOR HOPE, WHICH IS AFFORDABLE LIVING APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE ABLE TO RENT OUT TO SOME OF OUR CLIENTS, AS WELL AS TO THE COMMUNITY THAT'S JUST SOUTH OF OUR CAMPUS.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE YMCA THAT IS ONE OF OUR MAJOR PARTNERS HERE ON OUR CAMPUS THAT ASSIST WITH CHILD CARE.

SO KIND OF LIKE TO COMPARE KIND OF THE CHICKEN BEFORE THE EGG.

FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE FAMILIES THAT HAVE MINOR CHILDREN THAT AREN'T OF SCHOOL AGE,

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BUT IN MOST PLACES, YOU CAN'T SECURE CHILDCARE UNTIL YOU HAVE EMPLOYMENT.

SO THE YMCA OFFERS DROP IN HOURS FOR OUR FAMILIES TO BE ABLE TO DROP IN THEIR CHILDREN WHILE THEY GO AND APPLY FOR EMPLOYMENT, OR WHILE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES.

SO THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO THEN ONCE THEY HAVE THOSE RESOURCES AVAILABLE, THEN GO AHEAD AND BOOK THEIR CHILDREN FULL TIME.

WE'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. I MENTIONED HAVEN FOR HOPE AND OUR COLLECTIVE IMPACT.

SO WE HAVE 75 PARTNER AGENCIES ON OUR CAMPUS.

43 PARTNERS OR 43 AGENCIES HAVE OFFICES HERE CO-LOCATED ON OUR CAMPUS.

AND THIS IS JUST PART OF THAT APPROACH FROM DAY ONE OF BRINGING IN ALL OF THE AGENCIES THAT WOULD NORMALLY ASSIST INDIVIDUALS WITH THEIR BARRIERS INTO HOUSING AND OUT OF HOMELESSNESS UNDER ONE ROOF. THIS IS WHAT I CONSIDER Y HAVEN FOR HOPE IS SO SUCCESSFUL IS BECAUSE OUR CLIENTS CAN RECEIVE ALL MOST OF THE SERVICES HERE WITHIN THE SAME CAMPUS. THEY DON'T HAVE TO TAKE 2 TO 3 DIFFERENT BUSSES OR BUS ROUTES TO BE ABLE TO GO GET THEIR ID OR BIRTH CERTIFICATE, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEN THEY'RE ABLE TO WALK ALONGSIDE THEIR CASE MANAGEMENT TEAM TO BE NAVIGATED THROUGH THOSE SERVICES.

AS WE LEARNED, A LOT OF OUR CLIENTS AREN'T ABLE TO NAVIGATE THROUGH SYSTEMS, SO THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THAT ALL FROM THE COMFORT OF OUR CAMPUS HERE IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR PARTNERS. WE DO HAVE A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS THAT HELP US COMPLETE AND OUR WORK HERE.

SO ON ANY GIVEN YEAR, WE HAVE OVER 500 INDIVIDUAL VOLUNTEERS THAT COME IN ANYTHING FROM HELPING US WITH GARDENING AND LANDSCAPING TO PAINTING WALLS. BUT ALSO WE HAVE A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS THAT COME IN AND HELP US WITH TUTORING AND DO SOME PRO BONO WORK WITH SOME OF OUR CLIENTS AND SOME OF OUR FAMILIES. WE ALSO HAVE HAD THIS PAST FISCAL YEAR, OVER 200 CORPORATE SPONSORS AND VOLUNTEER GROUPS PROVIDE SERVICES AND PROVIDE DAY OF GIVINGS TO HAVEN FOR HOPE AND THAT ENCOMPASSED OVER 3000 INDIVIDUALS FROM THOSE GROUPS.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST GROUPS WE HAD EARLIER THIS YEAR WAS THE HOME DEPOT FOUNDATION THAT BROUGHT OVER 700 VOLUNTEERS.

TO JUST DO A DAY OF JUST REDOING EVERYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF ON OUR CAMPUS, FROM GARDEN BEDS TO INSTALLING GRASS AND SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. THEY BUILT 140 BUNK BEDS FOR OUR WOMEN TO BE ABLE TO SLEEP IN ON SOUTH CAMPUS.

SO DEFINITELY THE WORK WE DO WE CAN'T DO ALONE.

AND THEN PART OF THOSE COLLABORATIONS, TOO, IS WE ARE ALWAYS OPEN TO DO TOURS TO OTHER AGENCIES AND OTHER CITIES AND STATES.

IN THIS PAST FISCAL YEAR, WE'VE DONE 216 OF THOSE TOURS.

SOME CITIES INCLUDE THE CITY OF DALLAS INCLUDES AUSTIN, HOUSTON.

WE JUST HAD THE BAY AREA DELEGATION OUT HERE YESTERDAY WITH 60 OF THEIR INDIVIDUALS TRYING TO KIND OF REPLICATE SOMETHING LIKE THE HAVEN FOR A MODEL IN THEIR AREA, AND THEN SOME OF THE MOST RECENT US CITIES THAT HAVE KIND OF TAKEN THE HAVEN FOR HOPE APPROACH AND TRIED OR TRYING TO DO SOMETHING. INCLUDES THE CITY OF LAS VEGAS WHICH YOU ALL MAY HAVE HEARD.

OUR PREVIOUS CEO, KIM JEFFRIES, IS NOW HEADING THAT THAT SHELTER OVER THERE TO BE ABLE TO THEN KIND OF REPLICATE THE HAVEN MODEL.

WE'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND WE'LL SKIP ONE MORE.

THIS IS WHAT I THINK Y'ALL MIGHT FIND A LITTLE MORE INTERESTING IS JUST SOME KEY STATISTICS ABOUT HAVEN FOR HOPE.

WE HAVE WE JUST CLOSED OUR FISCAL YEAR 25, SO WE STILL HAVE OUR FISCAL YEAR 24 DATA.

BUT IN FISCAL YEAR 24, WE SERVED JUST UNDER 10,000 CLIENTS.

FISCAL YEAR 25, WE SERVED RIGHT UNDER 8000 CLIENTS.

SOME OF THAT DIFFERENCE, AND THOSE ARE UNDUPLICATED CLIENTS ACROSS NORTH AND SOUTH CAMPUS.

SOME OF THAT DIFFERENCE THIS YEAR IS WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED A COUPLE OF OVERFLOW MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO STAY AT OUR DESIGNATED CAPACITY.

HAVEN FOR HOPE WAS AN AGENCY THAT USED TO NOT TELL ANYONE.

NO. SO FOR A WHILE THERE WE WERE AT OVERCAPACITY.

BUT WHAT WE FOUND OUT IS THAT WE WEREN'T NECESSARILY PROVIDING DIGNITY AND SPACE FOR OUR INDIVIDUALS TO BE ABLE TO ENGAGE.

WE WERE ESSENTIALLY BECOMING A WAREHOUSE OF FOLKS WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE WANTED TO DO.

SO WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SINCE THEN, REDUCE OUR CAPACITY BACK TO OUR DESIGN CAPACITY, WHICH IS 1350 INDIVIDUALS THAT SLEEP HERE EVERY SINGLE

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WE SERVED 1388 CHILDREN. AND THAT WAS A TOTAL OF 611 FAMILY AND HOUSEHOLDS.

THAT IS ONE OF OUR MOST GROWING POPULATIONS HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY IS FAMILIES WITH MINOR CHILDREN.

SO DEFINITELY HAVING THAT SPACE AVAILABLE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO RECEIVE THOSE SERVICES HAS BEEN IMPORTANT TO US.

AND LIKE I MENTIONED, WE HAVE A VETERAN TEAM THAT IS ABLE TO ENGAGE WITH SOME OF OUR VETERANS.

AND SO YOU'LL SEE THAT 508 VETERANS SERVED LAST YEAR AND 820 YOUNG ADULTS, WHICH IS ANOTHER POPULATION.

WE'RE SEEING AN INCREASE IN IT'S THOSE YOUNG ADULTS, 18 TO 25.

IN 2019 DOCTOR NIVEN HELD A INDEPENDENT ECONOMIC ANALYSIS OF HAVEN FOR HOPE.

AND THROUGH THAT ANALYSIS, HE WAS ABLE TO DETERMINE THAT FOR EVERY DOLLAR SPENT ON ON.

HAVEN FOR HOPE, THERE IS A $29 RETURN TO THE SAN ANTONIO COMMUNITY.

AND THAT IS FROM ACROSS ANY FIELD YOU CAN THINK OF THE JUSTICE SYSTEM, THE MEDICAL SYSTEMS EDUCATION, ALL OF THOSE SERVICES TO BE ABLE TO THEN AGAIN RETURN THAT TO OUR COMMUNITY.

AND SINCE INCEPTION THROUGH 2019, AND WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE THE NEW ANALYSIS SOMETIME THIS YEAR.

THE NET RETURN HAS BEEN $5.6 BILLION TO THE SAN ANTONIO COMMUNITY.

I KIND OF TALKED ABOUT OUR LENGTH OF STAY ALREADY.

THAT'S USUALLY ANYWHERE BETWEEN 3 TO 4 MONTHS FOR OUR INDIVIDUALS ENGAGING IN SERVICES.

AND THEN ONE DATA THAT I DID WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT WE DO HAVE READY FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 IS OUR THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS THAT MOVED INTO HOUSING WAS 1200 INDIVIDUALS.

AND FOR FISCAL YEAR 24, 94% OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS STAY HOUSED AT THE 90 AT THE 12 MONTH MARK SUBMITTING THAT INDIVIDUALS THAT MOVE INTO HOUSING, WE USUALLY TRACK FOR 1 OR 2 YEARS AFTER THEY MOVE INTO HOUSING AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY DON'T RETURN TO THE HOMELESS RESPONSE IN OUR CITY. AND THAT IS THROUGHOUT OUR, OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL.

SO MAKING SURE THAT THEY DIDN'T GO TO ANY OTHER HOMELESS SHELTER, A DAY CENTER, THAT THEY WEREN'T ENGAGING WITH OUR OUTREACH TEAMS, 94% OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS HOUSED LAST YEAR WERE ABLE TO STAY HOUSED FOR THE FULL YEAR.

AND WE'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS NEXT SLIDE, I WON'T I WON'T READ ALL OF THIS FOR YOU.

THIS IS JUST A PART OF HAVEN FOR HOPE, AND OUR COMMITMENT TO ENSURING THAT WE'RE SERVING OUR CLIENTS IS JUST A TRAUMA INFORMED AGENCY.

WE ARE A LEVEL ONE CERTIFIED AGENCY. AND THAT MEANS WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT ALL OF OUR INDIVIDUALS HAVE EXPERIENCED SOME FORM OF TRAUMA THROUGH THEIR LIVES. IF AT THE VERY LEAST. RIGHT. EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IS TRAUMATIC IN ITSELF.

SO ALL OF OUR ENGAGEMENTS ALL OF OUR FACILITIES ARE ENSURING THAT WE ARE MEETING THEM WITH THAT IN MIND AND THAT WE'RE KEEPING IN MIND THAT THEY THAT THEY NEED OUR SUPPORT AND, AND HAVE GONE THROUGH CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE HELP THEM WORK THROUGH WITH OUR COUNSELING TEAMS AND OUR CASE MANAGEMENT TEAMS ON OUR CAMPUS AS WELL. AND WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

AGAIN, THIS IS JUST MORE OF A KIND OF AN INFORMAL HOW TO GET INVOLVED WITH HAVEN FOR HOPE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

OF COURSE, I MENTIONED OUR VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST WAYS TO GET INVOLVED WITH HAVEN FOR HOPE, BOTH ON THE INDIVIDUAL LEVEL AND THE GROUP LEVEL.

TAKING AN IN-PERSON TOUR, WHICH WE ARE ALWAYS HAPPY TO DO ALONG WITH VIRTUAL TOURS ON OUR WEBSITE.

IF ANY OF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE AND THEN GROUP OPPORTUNITIES IF YOU HAVE THOSE.

AND THEN OF COURSE, THERE'S ALWAYS THE FINANCIAL GIFTS AND IN-KIND DONATIONS THAT WE ALWAYS NEED ON OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL.

GREAT JOB. ABSOLUTELY. I KNOW I SPOKE A LOT AND VERY QUICKLY, SO IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'M HAPPY TO HELP ANSWER SOME OF THOSE. WELL, YOU DID GREAT.

THANKS FOR STAYING IN OUR IN OUR TIME FRAME. GREAT PRESENTATION.

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COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS. YEAH. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR BIG CITIES WHO HAVE SIMILAR SITUATIONS AROUND UNSHELTERED POPULATIONS TO BE ABLE TO COLLABORATE AND JUST SHARE BEST PRACTICES AND WHAT'S WORKING AND WHAT'S NOT WORKING. SO I HOW HOW MUCH DOES THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, WHAT PERCENTAGE AND ALSO THE DOLLAR AMOUNT DO THEY CONTRIBUTE TO YOUR ANNUAL BUDGET? SO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IT'S ABOUT JUST A LITTLE OVER $5 MILLION THAT THEY CONTRIBUTE TO OUR OPERATIONS YEARLY. SO $5 MILLION.

YES. OKAY. AND THAT'S, WHAT, ABOUT 1.1. $8 BILLION? MILLION. SORRY, NOT BILLION MILLION DOLLARS FROM BEXAR COUNTY.

OVERALL, OUR YEARLY BUDGET IS ABOUT 25 MILLION.

29 MILLION. I'M SORRY. AND FROM THAT 29 MILLION AGAIN, THAT 5 MILLION FROM THE CITY, THE 1.8 FROM THE COUNTY.

OUR BREAKOUT IS USUALLY ABOUT A 6040 SPLIT, 60% BEING PUBLIC FUNDING, WHICH INCLUDES THE FEDERAL LOCAL AND STATE, AND THEN THE 40%, WHICH WOULD BE PRIVATE FUNDING.

OKAY. SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AGAIN, WE'RE WE'RE BIG TEXAS CITIES AND WE'RE BOTH WORKING ON THIS ISSUE, AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT WAYS OF GAUGING WHERE WE ARE.

AND SO I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND SAN ANTONIO BETTER.

AND I'M SEEING THAT ON THE PITCH SHELTERED COUNT.

YOU ALL HAVE KIND OF TICKED BACK UP BUT THEN HELD STEADY THIS PAST YEAR.

BUT THAT ON YOUR UNSHELTERED COUNT YOU'RE COMING UP.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE BEST METHOD OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST KIND OF WHAT WE HAVE.

ABSOLUTELY. SO PART OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN SINCE HAVEN WAS FIRST OPENED IS THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY INVESTMENT IN EMERGENCY SHELTER FROM OUR COMMUNITY. SO AN INCREASE IN UNSHELTERED CLIENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY, THAT IS ALSO BECAUSE WE'VE INCREASED OUR OUTREACH EFFORTS. SO NOW WE HAVE ABOUT 30 OUTREACH WORKERS THROUGHOUT DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS PROVIDING OUTREACH TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.

WE JUST HAVEN FOR A PILOT AT A BEXAR COUNTY OUTREACH TEAM FOR THOSE UNINCORPORATED CITIES FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL SERVICES THERE.

SO WE ARE SEEING AN INCREASE OF ENGAGEMENT AND BEING ABLE TO BETTER TRACK ALL OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE EXPERIENCING UNSHELTERED HOMELESS.

BUT ALSO, AGAIN, IT'S JUST PART OF THE REALITIES OF OUR COMMUNITY, RIGHT? EVERYTHING'S GETTING A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE. HOUSING IS BECOMING A LITTLE OUT OF REACH AS WELL.

SO WE ARE SEEING AN INCREASE IN UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS, ALTHOUGH WE CONTINUE TO SEE THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL EMERGENCY SHELTER TOO.

WE DEFINITELY SHARE SOME OF THE SAME ROOT ISSUES.

YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THING WE HAVE TO GAUGE IS OUR PUBLIC PERCEPTION.

AND I KNOW THAT YOU ALL DO PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING AS WELL AND GET COMMUNITY INPUT TO STATISTICALLY VALIDATE THAT.

AND I KNOW IN DALLAS SURPRISINGLY ENOUGH, IT'S STREETS NUMBER ONE AND THEN POLICE SERVICES.

BUT I NOTICED IN SAN ANTONIO YOUR TOP TWO ISSUES ARE AROUND HOMELESSNESS WITH REGARD TO THE PUBLIC'S WHAT WHAT YOUR PUBLIC IS TELLING YOU, THEY WANT YOU TO BUDGET AGAINST. AND IT'S SERVICES TO ASSIST THE HOMELESS AND HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT CLEANUPS.

SO TELL ME HOW HAVEN FOR HOPE IS WORKING WITH THE CITY ON MANAGING THOSE TWO AREAS AND HOW YOU ALL INTERRELATE ON THAT? ABSOLUTELY. SO HAVEN FOR HOPE IS ONE OF THE DESIGNATED AGENCIES WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, MEANING WE DON'T HAVE TO COMPETE FOR OUR FUNDING YEARLY.

SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE MANAGE THAT PARTNERSHIP TO ENSURE THAT THERE CONTINUES TO BE SHELTER OPERATIONS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AS FAR AS THE UNSHELTERED LIKE ABATEMENTS AND CLEANUPS WE DO HAVE AN OUTREACH TEAM THAT PARTNERS REGULARLY WITH ALL OF OUR ASSESSMENTS OF THESE SITES AND ABATEMENTS. AND OUR JOB IS TO ENSURE THAT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE RESIDING IN THOSE AREAS THAT ARE SCHEDULED TO BE ABATED HAVE THE RESOURCES AND CONNECTION TO SHELTER. SO LAST YEAR, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO INVESTED WITH HAVEN FOR HOPE ON A CENTRALIZED SHELTER COORDINATION PROCESS, WHICH ESSENTIALLY GIVES ALL OF OUR OUTREACH WORKERS REAL LIFE DATA AS TO HOW MANY SHELTER BEDS ARE AVAILABLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO ANY OUTREACH WORKER THAT IS ENGAGING WITH INDIVIDUALS IN THESE ENCAMPMENTS ARE ABLE TO MAKE A REFERRAL STRAIGHT INTO SHELTER IF THAT INDIVIDUAL WOULD LIKE TO DO SO.

AND THEN WE ALSO PARTNER WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT DEPARTMENTS AND BEXAR COUNTY SHERIFFS.

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THEY ALSO ARE AWARE OF THE SERVICES THAT WE OFFER, AND THEY DO COURTESY DROP OFFS TO HAVEN FOR HOPE AS NEEDED FOR WHEN THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE CHOOSING TO ENGAGE IN SHELTER SERVICES TO GOOD DEAL.

AND HOW CLOSE ARE YOU ALL TO DOWNTOWN? I'VE BEEN TO YOUR CAMPUS, BUT I JUST I DON'T RECALL WHERE IT WAS IN RELATION TO DOWNTOWN.

WE ARE WE ARE JUST SOUTH OF DOWNTOWN. SO ABOUT A FIVE MINUTE DRIVE WITH TRAFFIC.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. CATHY, DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? I'M SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBER. STEWART. NO. I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS TOOK CARE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD.

OKAY. NO, NO, NO, IT'S ALL GOOD. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

AND MAYOR PRO TEM THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND Y'ALL'S COMMITMENT TO SERVING OVER 50,000 PEOPLE SINCE THE DAY THAT YOU GUYS OPENED. HELP ME UNDERSTAND.

OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS A NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF. CAMPUS I'VE I HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT ON MY OWN, AND WAS RELATIVELY IMPRESSED WITH WHAT WAS HAPPENING AROUND THE COMMUNITY AND INSIDE THE CAMPUS.

BUT WHAT WAS THE VISION IN 2006? DID YOU ALL SEE THE OUTCOME OF 2010 THEN, OR DID IT EVOLVE OVER TIME? HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW THE MASTER PLAN DEVELOPED.

ABSOLUTELY. SO BILIERAE BEING THE AMAZING VISIONARY THAT HE WAS, HE KIND OF ENVISIONED THE WHOLE SPACE AND OPENED HAVEN FOR HOPE AS IT IS NOW, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE ADDITIONAL BUILDING THAT WE'VE OPENED SINCE THEN, WHICH IS OUR SOUTH CAMPUS RESOURCE CENTER.

IT WAS OPENED AS A WAY TO KIND OF BE THE SOLUTION FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND OUR HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.

HOWEVER AS WE MENTIONED. RIGHT. I THINK WHAT WE SOMETIMES TEND TO MISS IS WE DON'T ALWAYS SEE ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS. SO WE MET OUR CAPACITY VERY EARLY ON, WHICH WASN'T PLANNED.

SO SINCE THEN, RIGHT WITH THE COMMITMENT OF SEVERAL FUNDERS THAT ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE AND ALL OF THAT, WE'RE ABLE TO THEN GET INDIVIDUALS OUT A LITTLE QUICKER THAN OUR COORDINATED ENTRY SYSTEM.

SO THAT HAS KIND OF BEEN INSTRUMENTAL TO BEING ABLE TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO SEE AS MANY CLIENTS THROUGH OUR DOORS AS POSSIBLE.

SO WE'RE NOT SOLELY JUST RELYING ON THOSE HOUSING VOUCHERS AND THOSE LONG TERM SUBSIDIES, WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE A ONE MONTH RENTAL SUBSIDY AND THE DEPOSIT TO INDIVIDUALS THAT JUST NEED THAT ONE TIME HELP TO GET BACK OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE'VE SEEN KIND OF THAT MOST SUCCESS IS THAT WE DO SEE A LOT OF FIRST TIME OR A LOT OF HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS FOR THE FIRST TIME.

SO IF THEY DON'T NEED TO STAY HERE AS LONG FOR WAITING FOR ONE OF THOSE RESOURCES, WE'RE ABLE TO THEN JUST QUICKLY CUT A CHECK AND HELP THEM GET BACK OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY.

AND AGAIN, THAT 94% SUCCESS RATE OF NOT SEEING THEM REENGAGE WITH HOMELESS SERVICE PROVIDERS IN OUR COMMUNITY HELPS.

SO, I MEAN, IT'S A RELATIVELY LARGE CAMPUS. SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW IT WAS PHASED IN.

WAS THE PLAN ALWAYS A FOUR YEAR PHASE IN. AND THEN IF YOU CAN TOUCH ON THE CONSTRUCTION COST AND WHO THOSE DOLLARS CAME FROM.

SO AS FAR AS THE CONSTRUCTION COST, I'M NOT QUITE FAMILIAR WITH THAT INFORMATION.

I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME, SO I WOULD HAVE TO GET THAT BACK TO YOU.

IF YOU DON'T MIND, AND I WILL SEND THAT OUT AS SOON AS THIS MEETING IS OVER.

AS FAR AS THE ROLLOUT AGAIN, IT WAS A QUICK ROLLOUT FOR HAVEN FOR HOPE.

ALL OF THE BUILDINGS OPENED AT THE SAME TIME.

WE BROUGHT IN LADIES FIRST FROM THE SHELTER THAT WAS DOWN THE STREET A COUPLE BLOCKS DOWN AT THE TIME.

AND THEN ALL OF THE OTHER FAMILIES AND MEN STARTED COMING THROUGH.

SO IT WAS A VERY QUICK ROLLOUT. OUR PARTNER AGENCIES WERE IMPLEMENTED SINCE DAY ONE.

THAT WAS PART OF THE VISION, TOO. BECAUSE OUR FOUNDER, BILL GREEHEY, FUNDED A LOT OF THESE AGENCIES, THEY WERE ABLE TO STRUCTURE KIND OF THEIR GIVING PLAN, ALONG WITH THE CITY AND OTHER PARTNER AGENCIES TO GET THEM COMMITTED AND GET THEM ON BOARD. AND THOSE RELATIONSHIPS CONTINUE TO EXIST WITH THEM, TOO.

I HOPE THAT ANSWERS. THANK YOU. SO SOME OF THE SERVICES YOU MENTIONED WERE JOB PLACEMENT HEALTH CARE, CHILD CARE. IF I RECALL, WHEN I HAD A CHANCE TO VISIT, THOSE SERVICES WERE NOT ONLY EXCLUSIVELY OFFERED TO CLIENTS, BUT WERE OFFERED TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT LIVE AROUND THE CAMPUS.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT THAT IS CORRECT. YES. ALL OF OUR AGENCIES THAT DO HAVE KIND OF THAT OUTWARD FACING ABILITIES TO ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE

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RIGHT? WE'RE ALL UNDER THE SAME ROOF, SO WE'RE ALL KIND OF SHARING THE SAME CLIENTS.

AND BECAUSE WE'RE ALL HERE, WE DON'T HAVE TO KIND OF GO OUT OF OUR WAY TO PROVIDE A SERVICE THAT ISN'T OUR FIELD OF EXPERTISE.

RIGHT? I STARTED HAVEN FOR HOPE AS CASE MANAGEMENT.

SO IF I HAD SOMEONE IN MY OFFICE THAT NEEDED COUNSELING BECAUSE THEY HAD GONE THROUGH A TRAUMATIC EVENT, RIGHT, I WAS ABLE TO WALK THEM STRAIGHT TO THAT COUNSELOR'S OFFICE AND GET THEM SEEN AND HAVE THEM PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT KIND OF MAKES EVERYTHING WORK, IS JUST THAT ALL THE PARTNER AGENCIES ARE HERE.

WE TRY NOT TO COMPETE FOR FUNDING, ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC.

WE ARE KIND OF ALL GOING FOR THE SAME FUNDING, ESPECIALLY IN A SITUATION LIKE THESE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WHERE FUNDING IS LIMITED.

BUT WE ALSO SUPPORT EACH OTHER IN THOSE ASPECTS OF.

RIGHT, IF SOMEONE'S GOING FOR A GRANT THAT WE NORMALLY WOULDN'T OR WE WON'T GO FOR WE'RE WRITING LETTERS OF SUPPORT TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE GETTING THAT OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES TO OUR CLIENTS ON OUR CAMPUS.

SO I THINK IT'S JUST THAT SPIRIT OF COLLABORATION.

SAN ANTONIO, EVEN THOUGH IT IS ONE OF THE LARGEST METRO AREAS WE ARE STILL KIND OF LIKE A SMALL TOWN FEELING.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT AND FEEL THAT ACROSS ALL OF OUR PARTNER AGENCIES ON OUR CAMPUS TOO.

SO YOU MENTIONED THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO CONTRIBUTES A PORTION OF THE FUNDING.

WHAT'S THE EXPECTATION FROM HAVEN FOR HOPE WHEN IT COMES TO SUCCESS AND METRICS? WHAT'S PROVIDED TO THE CITY TO ENSURE THAT THOSE DOLLARS ARE BEING WELL SPENT? SO A LOT OF WHAT THE CITY REQUESTS AS FAR AS METRICS IS USUALLY OCCUPANCY, RIGHT? THEY WANT US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UTILIZING EVERY SINGLE BED ON OUR CAMPUS AND EVERY SINGLE SLEEPING SPACE.

SO WE DO HAVE THAT METRIC THERE, AND WE ARE ALMOST ALWAYS EXCEEDING THAT.

WE PROVIDE HOUSING RETENTION AND HOUSING EXITS.

SO THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS THAT MOVE INTO EITHER PERMANENT HOUSING OR A BETTER LIVING SITUATION.

SOME INDIVIDUALS. RIGHT. THEIR GOAL IS NOT TO GET THEIR OWN APARTMENT, BUT IT'S TO MOVE BACK IN AND REUNITE WITH FAMILY.

SO WE TRACK ALL OF THAT FOR THEM AS WELL. PROVIDE THEM THAT INFORMATION.

AS OF RECENT THEY'VE STARTED KIND OF TRACKING THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ENROLL INTO OUR SHELTER SERVICES ACROSS THE TEN DISTRICTS IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AS WELL.

AND OUR I MENTIONED OUR RETENTION. SO HOW OFTEN AND HOW LONG ARE THEY STAYING OUT OF THE SYSTEM AS WELL? AND THEN WE JUST ENSURING THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR COORDINATED ENTRY, WHICH IS CLOSE TO HOME, OUR COC TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE COLLABORATING ON ALL OF THOSE EXITS AND THOSE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO OUR COMMUNITY AS PART OF THE CITY'S EXPECTATION AS WELL.

OKAY. ON PAGE NINE OF THE SLIDE, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND THE BENEFIT TO SAN ANTONIO.

HOW ARE THOSE FIGURES? HOW DID THEY COME ABOUT? AND DOES THAT HELP ME UNDERSTAND SAVINGS? IN WHAT WAY? SO AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE OUR OUR DIRECTOR OF DATA WILL BE A LOT BETTER AT EXPLAINING THAT.

AND I WILL CONNECT YOU WITH HIM AFTER TO BUT THE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT'S A STATISTICAL LIFE THAT THEY THAT DOCTOR NIVEN. AND THAT'S N I V I N THAT DID THAT ANALYSIS.

SO THIS TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION, RIGHT. THE THE AMOUNT OF DAYS INDIVIDUALS WERE STAYING IN SHELTER THE NUMBER OF RESOURCES THEY WERE USING THROUGHOUT THE PARTNER AGENCIES AS WELL AS WHERE ARE THEY GOING, LIKE TO THE HOSPITAL AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AS WE KNOW CHRONIC CHRONICITY KIND OF INCREASES YOUR YOUR MEDICAL NEEDS TOO.

SO ALL OF THIS WAS KIND OF TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

SO WHEN YOU THINK OF THAT $29 RETURN IT ENCOMPASSES THE EDUCATION FIELD, THE MEDICAL FIELD, THE JUSTICE SYSTEMS ALL OF THAT WAS KIND OF BROUGHT INTO AND LOOKED AT WHEN THE WHEN HE DID THAT RESEARCH.

OKAY. LAST QUESTION IS I THINK WE, YOU AND I WOULD BOTH AGREE THAT.

HAVEN FOR HOPE IS A GOOD MODEL, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT HAVEN FOR HOPE DOES NOT HAVE.

A DESIRE TO GO INTO ANOTHER CITY OR TO TRY TO DUPLICATE A CAMPUS IN ANOTHER JURISDICTION.

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WE HAVE JUST CELEBRATED OUR 15TH ANNIVERSARY.

WE'VE HAD DIFFERENT CEOS THROUGHOUT OUR TIME.

SO I THINK THAT'S ALL JUST KIND OF RIGHT. WE WANT TO WHILE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN FOR OUR COMMUNITY, WE KIND OF WANT TO BECOME THOSE EXPERTS FIRST.

AND THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL THOUGHT AND NOT NOT HAVEN'S.

I'M SURE MY CEO WOULD FEEL DIFFERENTLY. RIGHT.

UNTIL WE KIND OF FEEL THAT WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING KIND OF SETTLED AND WE'RE NOT STILL TRYING TO KIND OF BUILD THE AIRPLANE AS IT'S TAKING OFF SOMETIMES.

I DON'T THINK WE WERE. WE WOULD BE QUITE READY JUST YET.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IN, IN SAN ANTONIO AND SERVING THE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER.

RESENDEZ. DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER. BAZALDUA. YES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR YOUR TIME. ALBERTO.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR YOUR TIME DOWN IN SAN ANTONIO AS WELL.

ON YOUR TOUR AND THE KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU'VE GIVEN I JUST WANT TO KIND OF PUT IN PERSPECTIVE SOME I ALTHOUGH I KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE ARE DOING GREAT WORK. I'M NOT NECESSARILY 100% ON WHY WE'RE GETTING THIS PRESENTATION.

AND SO WHAT WHAT I WANT TO REALLY GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IS THIS NOTION THAT WE AREN'T DOING THINGS RIGHT HERE.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WHAT I WANT TO WHAT I WANT TO KIND OF IRON OUT.

ONE OF THE THE RECIPES FOR SUCCESS AT HAVEN FOR HOPE THAT YOU ALL EVEN EXPRESSED TO ME WHEN I WAS DOWN THERE.

AND I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS TOUCHED ON, IS Y'ALL'S PROXIMITY TO THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND EXISTING PARTNERS.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE LOCATION AND THE THE DECISION BEING MADE ON WHERE YOUR LOCATION, LOCATION WAS CHOSEN? ABSOLUTELY. SO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO KIND OF PROVIDED THE SPACE AND THE LAND FOR HAVEN, FOR HOPE. SO THERE WAS ALREADY HAVEN FOR HOPE.

AND IF WE WANT TO GO BACK TO KIND OF THE MAP ON, I BELIEVE IT WAS PAGE THREE THE BROWN BUILDINGS ON THAT MAP OR THE BROWN ROOF BUILDINGS WERE ALL EXISTING ABANDONED WAREHOUSES.

I MENTIONED THE HOMELESS SHELTER AT THE TIME OR THE LARGEST HOMELESS SHELTER AT THE TIMES.

SAM MINISTRIES WAS ABOUT TWO BLOCKS DOWN FROM HERE, SO THERE WAS ALREADY A LOT OF UNSHELTERED INDIVIDUALS KIND OF IN THE AREA.

THE SPACE IS LOCATED BETWEEN TWO ACTIVE RAILROAD TRACKS.

TWO SO IT WASN'T KIND OF LAND THAT ANYONE WAS PLANNING ON USING.

SO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO PROVIDES THE LAND HAVEN FOR HOPE, OWNS THE BUILDINGS.

AND THEN THOSE WHITE ROOFED BUILDINGS ARE ALL NEW ADDITIONS THAT WERE BUILT AT THAT TIME TO BE ABLE TO SHELTER AND AND PUT INDIVIDUALS IN THOSE DORMS. WOULD YOU WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE POINT OF HAVEN FOR HOPE IS TO APPEASE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO SEE UNSHELTERED INDIVIDUALS ON OUR STREETS? OR IS IT TO GET TO THE ROOT CAUSE AND HELP INDIVIDUALS EXIT HOMELESSNESS.

I WOULD SAY IT'S DEFINITELY GET TO THE ROOT CAUSE OF ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS.

WE'RE JUST SOUTH OF DOWNTOWN, SO. RIGHT. THE YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE THE POPULATION IN THE AREA.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE WERE PUT KIND OF OUT IN THE OUTSKIRTS OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO SO THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO SEE INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.

IT'S DEFINITELY, AGAIN, WITH KIND OF THAT COLLECTIVE IMPACT APPROACH THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS HAD IS THAT ABILITY TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE IS RECEIVING THE SERVICES AS QUICKLY AS THEY CAN, TO BE ABLE TO GET THEM BACK OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, TOO.

AND YOU MENTIONED WHERE THERE WAS ALREADY A CONCENTRATION THAT EXISTED BEFORE YOU ALL'S INCEPTION.

AND WOULD YOU BELIEVE THAT THESE SUCCESS NUMBERS THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO PRESENT WOULD BE AS SUCCESSFUL IF Y'ALL WERE ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF THE CITY, IF YOU WERE HAVING TO ADD IN THE COMPONENT OF OUTREACH AND TRANSPORT, ETC.. CAN YOU JUST SPEAK TO THAT? I YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD AGAIN, IT'S A HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR HAVEN TO FUNCTION OUTSIDE OF A BUS ROUTE.

RIGHT. ARE A LOT OF OUR INDIVIDUALS DON'T HAVE THEIR OWN VEHICLES.

THEY DON'T HAVE WAYS TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THEIR EMPLOYERS, GET TO THEIR HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES.

SO AGAIN, IF WE WERE IN THE OUTSKIRTS OR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO DOESN'T HAVE A ROBUST BUS SYSTEM JUST YET IN THE OUTSKIRTS

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I DO THINK WE WOULD BE ABLE TO THEN HAVE TO INCREASE OUR OUTREACH AND BRINGING INDIVIDUALS, BUT AS FAR AS THEM BEING ABLE TO CONNECT WITH THOSE SERVICES, CONNECT WITH THE OTHER PARTNER AGENCIES, I THINK WOULD BE WOULD MAKE IT DIFFICULT AND NOT AS SUCCESSFUL.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS HERE IN DALLAS, I KNOW WE ALREADY HAVE SOME CO-LOCATED SHELTER SERVICES AND SPACES THAT ARE DOING GREAT THINGS, BUT WE STILL SEE, YOU KNOW, INCREASE IN HOMELESSNESS.

WE STILL SEE A NEED TO FILL IN GAPS IN THE ECOSYSTEM, IF YOU WILL.

I SEE THAT THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT SAN ANTONIO IS EXPERIENCING.

THE BURDEN CAN'T ONLY BE ON HAVEN FOR HOPE, RIGHT? AND SO BETWEEN 2022 AND 2025, DATA SHOWS THAT SHELTERED HOMELESSNESS HAS RISEN BY 27%.

IN SAN ANTONIO, STREET HOMELESSNESS HAS INCREASED BY 9.7%.

I SAY THAT NOT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT YOU ALL AREN'T DOING ANYTHING. I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE YOU CAN'T DO IT ALONE.

WITH THAT SAID WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE WOULD BE THE MOST ADVANTAGEOUS FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO TO BE INVESTING IN TO SUPPLEMENT THE ALREADY GREAT WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING? WHEN IT COMES TO POTENTIAL EXIT STRATEGIES OF SHELTER OR DIVERSIFYING THE THE SHELTER SPACE OR BEDS FOR PEOPLE TO EXIT.

THE SHELTER CAN CAN YOU JUST SPEAK TO WHERE YOU BELIEVE THERE'S GAPS IN THE SYSTEM THAT COULD OVERALL HELP YOUR EFFORTS AT HAVEN FOR HOPE? ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE AS A COMMUNITY IS JUST THAT OUTPUTS.

RIGHT. HAVING WE CAN BUILD ADDITIONAL EMERGENCY SHELTER BEDS, WE CAN BUILD ALL OF THAT.

BUT WE WILL FILL THEM IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO PLACE OUR CLIENTS.

AND THAT WOULD BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS THE BIGGEST NEED.

SO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO DID PASS A PUBLIC BOND TO BE ABLE TO INCREASE SOME OF THAT.

BUT OF COURSE, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A COUPLE OF YEARS FOR THAT TO KIND OF TAKE PLACE.

AND THOSE BUILDINGS AND AFFORDABLE UNITS TO BE CREATED THAT THAT'S DEFINITELY WHAT THE CITY KIND OF SEES THEIR, ARE PRIORITIES IN. AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING AT HAVEN AS THE BIGGEST NEED TO US IS IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE TO PUT THEM IN, THEY CAN STAY IN SHELTER AND THEY'RE SAFE AND THEY'RE ACCESSING SERVICES.

BUT IF WE HAVE NOWHERE TO PLACE THEM THAT THEY CAN AFFORD, THEN THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE BECOMING AN ISSUE.

THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND AND THE WORK.

WOULD YOU SAY I KNOW THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY AS HYPOTHETICAL AS OTHER QUESTIONS YOU'VE GOTTEN, BUT WOULD YOU WOULD YOU SAY IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT THERE IS NO SILVER BULLET FOR THE ISSUE THAT WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS, AND IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE THERE TO BE A COLLABORATION WITH MULTIPLE EFFORTS IN ORDER TO BE EFFECTIVE IN THIS REALM? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING DOWN THERE AND AND FOR BEING A RESOURCE TO US HERE AROUND THE STATE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER WEST. THANK YOU, CHAIR.

AND I WANT TO THANK YOU, MR. RODRIGUEZ, FOR FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT YOUR FACILITY, BUT I HAVE HEARD QUITE A BIT ABOUT IT AND APPRECIATE YOUR OVERVIEW.

I JUST HAVE A COUPLE A CLARIFICATION AND A AND A COMMENT.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, GOT TO HEAR ABOUT ALL THE SERVICES, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN THE ACCEPTANCE OF FAMILIES WHICH FAMILY GATEWAY PROVIDES HERE IN DALLAS THE BRIDGE IS, MY UNDERSTANDING, PROVIDES PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE OTHER SERVICES HERE, JUST ON A SMALLER SCALE. AND I'M SEEING HEAD NODS UP THERE YOU KNOW, AND, AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA MENTIONED SOME DATA ABOUT THE INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF HOMELESSNESS THAT HAS BEEN EXPERIENCED IN BEXAR COUNTY.

YOU KNOW, IT'S THIS IS A TOUGH SITUATION FOR US EVERYWHERE.

THERE'S NO SILVER BULLET, I THINK WAS THE LINE I, I, I APPRECIATE THAT I DO WANT TO CONTRAST THE DATA IN BEXAR COUNTY WITH THE PERIOD IN DALLAS, THE SAME PERIOD, 2021 TO 2025, WHERE WE SAW A 23% DECREASE IN TOTAL HOMELESSNESS AND A 28% DECREASE IN UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS. WHILE SAN ANTONIO WAS SEEING AN INCREASE.

SO OUR SYSTEM HERE IS WORKING. IT IS IT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT IT'S WORKING.

AND BEFORE WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, ADOPTING OTHER SHINY PROJECTS IN OTHER CITIES, WE NEED TO IDENTIFY WHAT'S WORKING HERE AND MAKE SURE WE SUPPORT THOSE.

AND SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I WANTED TO SAY ON THAT.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. OKAY. WELL, I HAVE A FEW SO A NUMBER OF TIMES YOU HAVE SAID THROUGH THE PRESENTATION OR THROUGH THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS THAT YOU SEE A

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DO YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF MATRIX THAT THAT HELPS INFORM WHAT YOU THINK THAT BREAKOUT OUGHT TO BE? I DON'T HAVE THAT MYSELF. BUT OUR COC CLOSE TO HOME HAS DONE SOME DATA ANALYSIS BECAUSE THEY'RE ABLE TO SEE ALL OF OUR OTHER SHELTER INFORMATION. SO I CAN SEND THAT OVER.

OKAY. YEAH. I'D LOVE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT. YOU ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORE AFFORDABLE UNITS.

AT WHAT LEVEL OF AMI ARE YOU LOOKING FOR AFFORDABLE UNITS? I BELIEVE WHAT I HEARD THAT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ANYTHING UNDER THE 30% AMI IS USUALLY.

WHAT'S THE HIGHEST NEED? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T QUITE HEAR WHAT YOU SAID.

ANYTHING LIKE THE MID TO LOWER LEVEL AMI, WHICH WOULD BE ANYTHING LIKE 30 TO 50%.

30 TO 50% IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. THANK YOU.

SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS FOR YOU ABOUT IT WAS GREAT TO HEAR PEOPLE TALK ABOUT YOU BEING SORT OF A NEW PROGRAM BACK WHEN YOU WERE STARTING.

ACTUALLY, I WAS VERY INVOLVED AS A HOMELESS SERVICE PROVIDER AND SOME OF THE INITIAL STAFF FOR HAVEN FOR HOPE WERE PRESENTING AT THE TEXAS HOMELESS NETWORK CONFERENCE, AND IT WAS A NEW IDEA THEN.

AND NOW THERE'S A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE MOVING TO TOWARDS WRAPAROUND SERVICES OR ARE ALREADY THERE.

ONE OF THE THE TAGLINES YOU HAVE ON HERE IS DIGNITY ON A SCALE THAT MATTERS.

YOU'RE A LARGE SHELTER. DO YOU THINK THAT THIS COULD WORK IN A SMALLER SCALE? ABSOLUTELY. I THINK JUST FOR FOR MYSELF. RIGHT.

ANY THING THAT ANY CITY, ANY TOWN, ANYONE CAN DO THAT ADDRESSES HOMELESSNESS? IS ONE MORE PERSON STAYING OUT OF HOMELESSNESS? SO DEFINITELY CAN BE SCALED UP OR SCALED DOWN AS NEEDED.

AND THEN ARE YOU ALSO THE LEAD AGENCY IN SAN ANTONIO? WE ARE THE LEAD. YES. DO YOU RUN THE OFFICE? YES.

AND DID YOU ALWAYS DO THAT OR AT WHAT POINT DID YOU TAKE THAT OVER? DO YOU KNOW? WE KIND OF. THAT STARTED SINCE DAY ONE WHEN HAVEN WAS BEING CREATED.

THEY NEEDED A OPERATION SYSTEM. SO THEY KIND OF PARTNERED WITH THE COC AT THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO BECOME THAT LEAD AGENCY.

AND BEFORE HAVEN WAS ESTABLISHED, WAS THERE A CONCENTRATION OF HOMELESSNESS IN ANY CERTAIN PART OF THE CITY? YES, MOSTLY ALL WERE DOWNTOWN. SO PART OF THE STATISTICS THERE TOO IS SINCE THE CREATION AND OPENING OF HAVEN, OUR DOWNTOWN HOMELESSNESS RATE HAS FALLEN BY 75%.

AND SO WOULD YOU SAY IT'S DOWNTOWN OR WOULD YOU SAY IT'S THE RIVERWALK? THE RIVERWALK IS THE MAIN PART OF DOWNTOWN, I GUESS, SO IT WOULD BE BOTH.

MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT PART OF THE IMPETUS FOR FOUNDING HAVEN FOR HOPE WAS THAT THERE WAS A VERY STRONG ISSUE OF HOMELESSNESS AND ENCAMPMENTS ALONG THE RIVERWALK THAT WERE IMPACTING TOURISM. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. YES, MA'AM. YEAH. AND YOUR YOUR KEY FOUNDER WAS A BIG INVESTOR IN THE RIVERWALK? I BELIEVE SO, YES. YEAH. OKAY. SO THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU ABOUT THE POINT IN TIME COUNT AND CHANGES IN SAN ANTONIO HOMELESSNESS. HOMELESSNESS DECREASED SIGNIFICANTLY AFTER YOU OPENED, AND YOU'VE GONE THROUGH A COUPLE ITERATIONS OF MODELS AS SERVICE DELIVERY IDEAS HAVE CHANGED IN OUR COUNTRY AND AND IMPROVED IN MANY WAYS.

WHAT'S YOUR CURRENT POINT IN TIME COUNT? THAT WAS 3200, I BELIEVE LAST YEAR. 3200. AND SAN ANTONIO HAS A LARGER POPULATION THAN DALLAS.

CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN ON ANY GIVEN NIGHT, CAN YOU REPEAT.

HOW MANY ARE YOU SERVING? HOW MANY BEDS DO YOU HAVE? CORRECT. AT THIS POINT, IT'S ABOUT THREE 1350 TO 1400, DEPENDING ON THE NIGHT.

1350 TO 1400. OKAY. AND THEN HOW MANY STAFF WOULD YOU HAVE ON ANY GIVEN DAY, INCLUDING THE PARTNERS THAT MIGHT BE ON YOUR CAMPUS?

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OKAY. THANK YOU. THE ENCAMPMENTS THAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY SEEING IN SAN ANTONIO, WOULD YOU SAY THEY'RE THERE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE SPACE AND THERE'S NO OTHER SHELTER SPACE IN THE CITY, OR ARE THEY THERE BECAUSE THE PEOPLE ARE SERVICE RESISTANT? IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH. A LOT OF IT IS, RIGHT.

THEY'VE HAD NEGATIVE EXPERIENCES OUT IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

EITHER THROUGH HAVEN OR OTHER SHELTERS. AND THEN A LOT OF IT IS JUST NOT KNOWING WHAT RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE AS WELL TOO.

AND YOU HAVE A QUALIFICATION FOR ENTRY THAT SOMEBODY HAS TO HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THE CITY AND COUNTY FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT AND WHY DO YOU HAVE THAT CORRECT? THAT RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT IS FOR OUR NORTH CAMPUS, AND THAT IS TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE SERVING OUR CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND BEXAR COUNTY RESIDENTS FIRST. WE DON'T HAVE THAT SAME REQUIREMENT FOR SOUTH CAMPUS, WHICH IS OUR LOW BARRIER SHELTER.

AND THE REQUIREMENT IS 12 MONTHS OF BEXAR COUNTY RESIDENCY WITHIN THE PAST 24 MONTHS, SO THEY CAN SERVE OUT THAT RESIDENCY IN THE SOUTH CAMPUS AND THEN MOVE TO THE NORTH CAMPUS. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT POTENTIALLY THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT AS WHEN HAVEN FIRST OPENED, THAT THEY DO HAVE TO GO FROM ONE SIDE OF CAMPUS TO THE OTHER TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE SERVICES. OUR HOPES IF SOMEONE DOESN'T MEET THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS THEY ENROLL ON SOUTH CAMPUS, THEY CAN ACCESS HOUSING AND INCOME SERVICES RIGHT FROM SOUTH CAMPUS AND MOVE INTO HOUSING SO THAT THERE'S NOT A WAIT FOR 12 MONTHS TO THEN BE ABLE TO START WORKING ON THE PLAN.

GREAT. THAT'S THE END OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.

I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING HERE AND TAKING YOUR TIME AND REALLY SHARING WITH US THE EXPERIENCES THAT YOU ALL HAVE HAD, THE SUCCESSES, AND I WISH YOU VERY MANY MORE.

AND THANK YOU, BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SO WELCOMING TO OTHER CITIES TO SHARE WHAT YOU KNOW AND IMPROVE ON IT.

APPRECIATE IT. YOU HAVE A GREAT DAY. THANK YOU.

YOU TOO. OKAY. OUR NEXT ITEM IS GOING TO BE BRIEFING.

SEE, THIS IS A VERY ROBUST ITEM, AND WE'LL PROBABLY TAKE THE BULK OF OUR TIME.

I, I MIGHT ACTUALLY WANT TO PAUSE AND SAY MAYBE WE NEED TO DO D I SEE DOCTOR WOODY THERE.

I'D LIKE TO DO D THE GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT AND THEN ALSO LET'S DO G SINCE THEY'RE THERE AND THE ITEM IS ABOUT THE BRIDGE FOR THE ELECTRICAL UPGRADES AND THE GENERATOR. AND THAT WAY, IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS, WE'LL HAVE THE THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.

IS THAT ALRIGHT IF WE JUST DO THAT? A LOT OF ORDER.

YES, CHAIR. DID WE HAVE A PRESENTATION ABOUT D OR IT.

REALLY? NO. ITEM ITEM D IS A IS A MEMO THAT EXPLAINS THE UPDATED PROCESS FOR THE GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT.

STAFF WORKED ON COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. CONVENINGS.

THEY WORKED WITH DOCTOR WOODY AND STAFF TO LOOK AT THE CURRENT GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT.

AND THE DRAFT IS INCLUDED IN THE MEMO THAT OUTLINES THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE BRIDGE.

AND DOCTOR WOODY IS AVAILABLE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

MAYOR PRO TEM, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SURE.

THANK YOU FOR THE MEMO AND FOR THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE.

CAN WE JUST GET REMINDED ON WHY THE THE BOUNDARIES HAVE SHIFTED FROM A BROADER AREA TO A JUST EXCLUSIVELY THE, THE BRIDGE ITSELF.

AND THE KEEPING IN MIND WE'LL JUST START THERE.

AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A CITY ATTORNEY, PROBABLY. QUESTION.

I THINK SO. I THINK IN, IN LOOKING AT THIS, THE CONVERSATIONS WERE AROUND THE AREA THAT THE BRIDGE ACTUALLY CONTROLS AND WORKING IN GOOD FAITH TO WORK AROUND THE ACTUAL PARCEL BOUNDARIES. IS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, RIGHT, TO MAKE SURE THAT PROPERTY OWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR AREA, BUT ALSO CAN MAINTAIN GOOD RELATIONSHIPS AND HAVE GOOD COMMUNICATION WITH THE OTHER OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS AROUND THE BRIDGE.

THANK YOU. THANKS. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, THANK YOU.

SO AND THANK YOU, DOCTOR WOODY, FOR BEING HERE.

AND I RECALL YOUR PRESENCE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS DURING BUDGETING.

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GOOD MORNING TO EVERYONE. DOCTOR DAVID WOODY, THE THIRD PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE BRIDGE.

NO. AND I'LL I'LL JUST OFFER THIS IN TERMS OF CONTEXT.

ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO I WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN PARTICULAR RELATIONSHIPS WITH CITIZENS IN THE FARMERS MARKET AREA AND THE CEDARS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT CITIZENS WOULD COME TO DOCTOR WOODY, CAN I ASK YOU TO JUST MOVE THAT MICROPHONE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER? THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND THAT CITIZENS WOULD COME TO ME AND FOR ASSISTANCE WITH THE ISSUE.

SHOO. AND AT THAT TIME WE INITIATED A PLAN OF ENGAGEMENT WITH SUPPORT OF DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT. THREE TIMES A DAY AT ABOUT 5:00 AT THREE IN THE MORNING AND AT FIVE IN THE MORNING AND THAT TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF FOLKS WHO WERE SLEEPING IN PROXIMITY TO THE BRIDGE AND IN PARTICULAR ON THE SAINT PAUL STREET BRIDGE AND ON THE ERVAY STREET BRIDGE AFTER ABOUT ABOUT NINE MONTHS OF WORK, YOU SEE, GENERALLY WHAT YOU SEE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE TOOK IT UPON OURSELVES TO BE WITHIN A TWO BLOCK RADIUS, FRANKLY AT THE TIME THAT THE CITY INITIATED OUR FIVE YEAR CONTRACT INITIALLY THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF THE BRIDGE BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR A ONE MILE RADIUS BECAUSE OF WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS WERE SEEING.

AND OBVIOUSLY WITHOUT THE RESOURCES TO TO MANAGE THAT.

WE WERE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE WHAT IS NOW WHAT HAD BEEN A TWO BLOCK RADIUS.

AND PROBABLY THE CITY ATTORNEYS COULD SPEAK GREATER TO IT.

I GUESS THERE'S THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT, NUMBER ONE, THAT THERE ARE NO OTHER SHELTERING OPERATIONS WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE CLEANUP AND THE RESOURCES NECESSARY TO DO THAT.

BUT THEN, ULTIMATELY, DOES THE BRIDGE STAFF HAVE THE AUTHORITY, RIGHT, TO ASK FOLKS TO NOT LOITER, TO BE RESPECTFUL TO ONE ANOTHER? WHEN THOSE SAME KINDS OF EXPECTATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF DALLAS, NO ONE OTHER THAN DPD AND OTHER GRANTED AUTHORITIES ARE EXPECTED TO TAKE ON THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES.

SO I BRING THIS UP JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WE ARE ASKING OF YOUR ORGANIZATION.

THAT DOES SO MUCH FOR US, TO TAKE ON THINGS THAT OTHERS HAVE DONE THAT ARE THE CITY OF DALLAS RESPONSIBILITY.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO I DON'T WANT THAT TO GO BY. AND THEN YOU COME BACK AND YOU AGREE TO THIS WITH A SMILE ON YOUR FACE MOST OF THE TIME.

AND SO I JUST JUST WANT COLLEAGUES TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS AN OVER AND ABOVE IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU ALL DO EVERY SINGLE DAY.

CORRECT. THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? YES. I'D LIKE TO REQUEST TO GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO SPEAK TO OUR ATTORNEYS ON THIS ITEM.

OKAY. AS SOON AS WE KNOW THAT, ALL THE QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED.

OKAY. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. THOR, DOES AUSTIN STREET HAVE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. OKAY. FAMILY GATEWAY HAS SOME AGREEMENT THAT THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR AN AREA THAT EXTENDS THROUGH PRESTON ROAD A COUPLE BLOCKS DOWN. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT, AND I BELIEVE IN DISTRICT ONE, THERE'S A GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT BEING WORKED OUT OR HAS BEEN WORKED OUT.

IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. THERE'S ONE IN DRAFT.

I THINK THEY'RE WAITING FOR THE FINALIZATION OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND EVERYTHING TO TO WORK OUT THE FINAL TERMS. SO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THIS, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR OUR HOMELESS SHELTERS TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

WE ALREADY HAVE A BIG ENOUGH PROBLEM WITH NIMBY ISSUES AND PEOPLE FEARFUL OF HAVING HOMELESS SERVICES OF ANY KIND IN AN AREA.

HOWEVER, I ALSO DON'T THINK IT IS YOUR JOB TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR A MILE AROUND A HOMELESS SHELTER.

I'M NOT EVEN SURE HOW MUCH OUTSIDE OF THE SHELTER I THINK SHOULD BE YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.

THAT IS THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY AND WE NEED TO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.

AND IF WE HAVE STANDARDS THAT WE WANT TO UPHOLD, WE SHOULD BE DOING THEM.

WE SHOULD BE PAYING FOR THEM. WE SHOULD BE MEASURING THEM.

NOW, IF WE HAVE A PARTNER WHO SAYS, LOOK, WE'RE ALREADY HERE OPERATING 24 OVER SEVEN AND WE KNOW THE PEOPLE, WE HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP. WE'RE WILLING TO TAKE THAT FROM YOU.

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I DON'T THINK WE FUND IT FOR AUSTIN STREET. I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE ACTUALLY THE SAME LEVEL OF EXPECTATION OF AUSTIN STREET THAT WE DO OF THE BRIDGE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S A HUGE ENCAMPMENT RIGHT OUTSIDE OF AUSTIN STREET, AND IT'S BEEN THERE A REALLY LONG TIME. SO, I MEAN, I CAN TAKE PHOTOS EVERY DAY VERY CLOSE TO THE BRIDGE.

AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED AND THEY'RE CONCERNED FOR PEOPLE'S WELFARE.

WHEN THEY GO OVER THE BRIDGE. THERE'S A PERSON SLEEPING THERE THIS MORNING.

I MEAN, THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THEM. AND WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, AMBULANCES GOING OUT TO CHECK ON PEOPLE WE, YOU KNOW, ARE CONCERNED THAT WE DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE CITIES WHERE PEOPLE ARE ALL OVER.

AND WE ALSO WANT TO BE A CITY THAT HAS A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO SLEEP AND HAVE DIGNITY AND SHOWER AND BE FED AND CARED FOR AND GET BACK INTO SOCIETY. BUT DO I THINK IT'S THE BRIDGE'S RESPONSIBILITY FOR A MILE OF DOWNTOWN? THAT'S INSANE. SO WITH THAT SAID, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED? I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH IT. AND AGAIN, IT SPEAKS TO THE BRIDGE'S COMMITMENT TO OUR NEIGHBORS.

WE ARE PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ARE PART OF.

WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN TERMS OF CRIME AND ITS REDUCTION? WE ARE PART OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN TERMS OF PROPERTY VALUES.

AND OF COURSE, WE WOULD WANT TO SUSTAIN THAT.

OKAY. THERE'S ONE OTHER THING I JUST WANT TO SAY ABOUT THE BRIDGE.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS IN I BELIEVE IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE ITEM G MATERIAL.

BUT YOU WERE ORIGINALLY BUILT. I THINK THE WHOLE 250 BEDS.

IS THAT CORRECT? I AM NOT SURE ABOUT THAT NUMBER.

OKAY, WELL, I'M GOING BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT I THINK IT WAS 250.

OKAY. AND IN YOUR MATERIALS YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE SHELTERING ABOUT 700 PER NIGHT.

IS THAT CORRECT? NO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S CORRECT.

I THINK WE HAVE DESCRIBED THAT IN TERMS OF DAY SHELTER.

WE HAVE THAT THAT NUMBER ON CAMPUS. BUT CURRENTLY CURRENTLY FOR NIGHT SHELTER, WE HAVE ABOUT 320 DESIGNATED NIGHT SHELTER OPTIONS. THAT INCLUDES EMERGENCY SHELTER FOR MEN AND WOMEN OF ABOUT 200.

AND THEN WE HAVE JUST OVER 100 HOUSING READY GUESTS IN OUR TRANSITIONAL EMERGENCY SHELTER.

AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF NIGHT SHELTER ACROSS THE SYSTEM.

LAST NIGHT WE HAD 65 GUESTS IN OVERFLOW, ABOUT 50 OF WHOM WERE FEMALE.

OKAY, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW ABOUT 400 FOLKS A NIGHT.

WELL, RELATING IT BACK TO OUR LAST PRESENTATION OUR SHELTER HAS NOT ADDED ADDITIONAL EMERGENCY SHELTERING CAPACITY.

AND EVEN WITH THE NEW SALVATION ARMY, WE'RE JUST TRADING, WE'RE NOT ADDING.

AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A ADHERENCE, A VERY STRICT ADHERENCE TO ONLY SUPPORT HOUSING FIRST AND ONLY SUPPORT HOUSING.

AND THE REALITY IS WE ARE FORCING PEOPLE OUTSIDE BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE TO TURN PEOPLE AWAY BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND YOU'RE OUR LOWEST BARRIER SHELTER. THAT'S CORRECT. AUSTIN STREET HAS THE SAME SITUATION.

AND SO I'M GLAD THERE'S AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT OF AN UNDERSTANDING AND ACCEPTANCE AND CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED MORE EMERGENCY SHELTER SPACE, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HAVING A VARIETY OF PRESENTATIONS ABOUT WHAT ELSE CAN WE ADD TO THE SYSTEM TO PROVIDE RELIEF.

SO ALL THAT TO SAY WE HAVE HAD A REQUEST FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WE WANT TO ASK BEFORE WE GO IN? NO.

OKAY. SO IT IS 1023 ON OCTOBER 21ST, 2025. THE HOUSING AND HOMELESS SOLUTIONS COMMITTEE MEETING WILL NOW GO INTO CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION UNDER SECTION 551.07. ONE OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT ON THE FOLLOWING MATTER DESCRIBED ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

ITEM D GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT WITH THE BRIDGE MASTER SERVICES CONTRACT.

WE'LL BE BACK SHORTLY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. IT IS.

THE HOUSING AND HOMELESS SOLUTIONS COMMITTEE MEETING HAS COMPLETED ITS CLOSED SESSION UNDER SECTION 551.071 OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT AND AT 1032 ON OCTOBER 21ST, 2025, WE HAVE RETURNED TO OPEN SESSION.

SO WITH THAT, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT? NO. THIS WAS AN INFORMATION ONLY THAT IT'S COMING UP ON THE AGENDA.

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THANK YOU. IS THERE A MOTION? THERE'S A MOTION IS TO APPROVE.

THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE. AND IT'S BEEN SECONDED.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE. THE MOTION IS UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT WAS ITEM G, SINCE THIS IS ALSO COMING UP ON THE NOVEMBER AGENDA, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND THIS IS FOR ELECTRICAL UPGRADES IN THE GENERATOR EDITION.

WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ITEM? NO. GREAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, DOCTOR WOODY.

THANK YOU. WE WILL SEE YOU SOON. SO BACK TO THE BIG MAIN EVENT ITEM WE HAVE TODAY IS AGENDA ITEM C.

IT IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE DALLAS HOUSING RESOURCE CATALOG FOR DALLAS HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION, DALLAS PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION, AND HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAMS STATEMENT AMENDMENTS.

AND I WILL JUST SAY THIS ITEM, I BELIEVE, IS SCHEDULED TO COME TO THE NOVEMBER 12TH CITY COUNCIL AGENDA.

SO IT WILL BE BACK ON OUR NOVEMBER HOUSING COMMITTEE.

SO WE'LL MEET BEFORE THAT AGENDA MEETING. SO THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION.

I HOPE YOU'VE READ IT ALL. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION.

WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF FOLKS REACHING OUT WITH VARIOUS COMMUNICATIONS AND IDEAS AND THOUGHTS, BUT WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IT.

BUT THIS IS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT BRIEFING AND SUBJECT, SO TAKE IT AWAY.

THANK YOU. AND I FAIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE MYSELF EARLIER. I'M THOR ERICKSON, DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT. THANKS FOR HAVING ME THIS MORNING. CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. FIRST OFF, JASMINE BAZALDUA, GENERAL MANAGER DAVID ELLIS, CHAIR OF HFC, KEITH PARMACOL, CHAIR OF PFC, KEN MONTGOMERY, VICE CHAIR OF PFC.

AND ERIN OQUENDO, THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE HFC AND PFC, ARE ALL AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS NEEDED.

TO SPECIFIC PARTS OF THIS. THANK ALL THE DEVELOPER COMMUNITY AND EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

I'M GOING TO SLIDE TWO IS GOING TO GIVE A BACKGROUND IN HISTORY ON SOME OF OUR HOUSING ISSUES AND THE IMPETUS OF WHY THIS ITEM IS BEING BRIEFED TO YOU TODAY. AND THE NEXT STEPS. I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH THE LANGUAGES IS DRAFTED IN EACH OF THE PROGRAM STATEMENTS.

TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MOST RECENT LEGISLATIVE UPDATES, AND END A SLIDE WITH DISCUSSION ABOUT THREE MAIN POINTS THAT WE ARE SEEKING YOUR DISCUSSION AND FEEDBACK ON TO TO FINALIZE THE PROGRAM STATEMENTS.

NEXT SLIDE. IN DECEMBER OF 2024, WE PRODUCED A HOUSING ACTION PLAN IN PARTNERSHIP WITH HRA CONSULTANTS, WHICH REALLY HIGHLIGHTED TWO MAIN HOUSING NEEDS IN THE CITY.

ONE IS THAT WE NEED MORE UNITS FOR HOUSEHOLDS AT 50% AMI AND BELOW, TO THE TUNE OF SOME 40,000.

WE HAVE MANY FAMILIES THAT ARE EXTREMELY HOUSING COST BURDENED IN THE CITY, AND WE NEED TO PRODUCE MORE UNITS AT THE LOWER AMI WHEREVER POSSIBLE.

THE SECOND THING IS WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO INCREASE HOMEOWNERSHIP AS A CITY.

THAT'S 61% RENTAL. WE HAVE ABOUT 42,000 RENTERS RIGHT NOW THAT COULD BECOME HOMEOWNERS, FINANCIALLY SPEAKING.

WHETHER THEY WANT TO MAKE THAT CHOICE OR NOT IS IS DIFFERENT.

BUT FINANCIALLY THEY COULD AFFORD MEDIAN HOME SALES PRICES IN THE CITY.

LASTLY, THE MOST RECENT POINT IN TIME COUNT SHOWED 3700 INDIVIDUALS HOMELESS THAT THAT EVENING.

WHILE WE KNOW MORE PEOPLE FALL INTO HOMELESSNESS THAN THAT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE YEAR, OUR POINT IN TIME COUNT GIVES US SOME INSTANCE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ON ANY GIVEN DAY THAT WE NEED TO SERVE. SO THESE PRIORITIES START TO OUTLINE SOME OF OUR PRESSING HOUSING NEEDS WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

MANY OF OUR PROGRAMS AND UNITS ARE RESERVED FOR DIFFERENT ARMY GROUPS.

SO THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS YOU THE MOST RECENT HUD TABLE THAT WE USE TO DETERMINE A HOUSEHOLD'S INCOME.

WE TYPICALLY DESCRIBE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS A HOUSEHOLD NOT PAYING MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR INCOME ON HOUSING.

SO THE RENT OR MORTGAGE SHOULD BE 30% OF THE FIGURE SHOWN AND 80% AMI FAMILY OF FOUR IN THE CITY OF DALLAS IS HOUSEHOLD INCOME WOULD BE $93,850 FOR THIS YEAR. HUD SETS THIS ANNUALLY, AND THESE GO UP AND DOWN ACCORDING TO MOST RECENT CENSUS DATA.

THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS CENSUS TRACTS IN DALLAS.

AND THIS IS A TOOL THAT IS FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION THAT HAS ACES AND CENSUS TRACT DATA THAT'S UPDATED YEARLY, THAT SHOWS US OUR CENSUS TRACTS IN AND AROUND DALLAS THAT ARE HIGH POVERTY AREA,

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AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF DALLAS THAT IS WITHIN THAT RANGE OF MAYBE HIGH POVERTY OR IS IN A HIGH POVERTY AREA.

THAT BACKGROUND TELLS US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR HOUSING NEEDS AND WHAT WE LOOK FOR IN TERMS OF WHERE PROJECTS ARE SITUATED.

SO ABOUT A YEAR AGO, HOUSING COMMITTEE HAD ASKED STAFF TO LOOK AT COMPLIANCE AND ADMINISTRATION FUNCTIONS OF THE HFC AND PFC.

THE PROGRAM STATEMENTS THAT WERE DRAFTED WERE VERY SHORT AT THE TIME, AND THEY WERE INTENDED TO PROVIDE GENERAL GUIDANCE AS THE CORPORATIONS WERE ESTABLISHED OR HAD NEW BOARD AND NEW ENERGY INTO THEM.

THERE WAS A SERIES OF CONVERSATIONS THAT TOOK PLACE, AND THEN BRIEFINGS WERE WERE PRESENTED IN OCTOBER LOOKING AT THE OPERATIONS THROUGH THOSE CONVERSATIONS, MORE MEETINGS AND MORE COLLABORATION WAS REQUESTED.

AND THAT WAS A GOOD THING, RIGHT? TO CONTINUE CONVERSATIONS, TO REALLY DIVE DEEP WITH THE DIFFERENT BOARDS OF DIRECTORS, WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, WITH OUR ADVOCATES, TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF THESE CORPORATIONS, KNOWING THAT THEY PRODUCE A HANDFUL, A GOOD HANDFUL OF THE AFFORDABLE UNITS ON ANY GIVEN YEAR.

THEY'RE REALLY STRONG CORPORATIONS AND STRONG RESOURCES TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CITY.

SO THROUGHOUT ALL OF LAST WINTER AND THROUGH THE SUMMER MONTHS WE HAD STAKEHOLDER WORKSHOPS, WE HAD DIFFERENT BOARD MEETINGS. WE HAD ONE ON ONE MEETINGS, WE HAD FOCUS GROUPS.

WE'VE MET WITH INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITIES AND PRODUCED PRESENTATIONS AND RECEIVED FEEDBACK ON THEM.

THE LAST REAL CONVENING HAPPENED IN JULY AND AUGUST WHEN WE SHARED OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS AND RECEIVED SOME FURTHER FEEDBACK ON IT.

AT THAT CONVERSATION IS WHERE WE DETERMINED THAT THERE WAS STILL SOME POINTS OF OF CONSIDERATION.

SO NEXT SLIDE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE CORPORATIONS THEMSELVES.

THE HFC WAS FOUNDED IN 1984 WITH THE PFC FOUNDED IN 2020.

20. EACH OF THEM HAVE BOARD MEMBERS AS APPOINTED BY YOU ALL AS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS UP TO DATE.

THE HFC HAS PRODUCED 41 PROJECTS TOTALING AROUND 9000 UNITS COMPLETED.

NOW THERE'S MORE PROJECTS UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR IN THE PIPELINE, BUT THOSE ARE COMPLETED UNITS. THE PFC HAS COMPLETED 20 PROJECTS FOR 4700 UNITS.

THE TOTAL REVENUE ON HAND FOR THE HFC RIGHT NOW IS 6 MILLION, AND THE PFC IS JUST SHY OF $1 MILLION, AND THAT'S REVENUE GENERATED THROUGH THE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMPLETED AND IN OPERATION.

THE PROGRAM STATEMENTS THEMSELVES ON THE NEXT SLIDE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, AND THAT THE GUIDANCE IN OUR PROGRAM STATEMENTS ARE WHAT IS DIRECTED BY CITY COUNCIL TO CITY STAFF OR DEPARTMENTS ON HOW TO OPERATE PROGRAMS. IN THIS INSTANCE, THESE PROGRAM STATEMENTS WOULD BE YOUR GUIDANCE ON WHAT THE INSTRUMENTALITIES OF THE DALLAS PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION AND HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION SHOULD BE DOING. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS IS TO HAVE THEM DEVELOP THEIR OWN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES FOR HOW THEY OPERATE.

THE NEXT WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND THAT THE HOUSING DIRECTOR OR DESIGNEE WOULD HAVE A SEAT ON THE BOARD AS AN EX-OFFICIO MEMBER.

THAT'S TO ALLOW CITY STAFF ACCESS TO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO HEAR ABOUT ANY LEGAL FINDINGS OR CONCERNS WITH THE CORPORATION, SO THAT WE CAN WORK IN CONCERT TOGETHER TO GET TO WORK ON SOLUTIONS FOR THOSE THOSE ISSUES.

THE CORPORATION SHOULD HAVE THEIR OWN STAFF. HISTORICALLY, THEIR STAFF WAS WORKING IN THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT, AND SO HOUSING STAFF BOTH WORKED FOR THE CITY AND THE CORPORATIONS, AND THEY PLAYED A DUAL ROLE AND HAD TO HAD TO BALANCE THEIR THEIR WORK BETWEEN CITY STAFF AND CORPORATION STAFF. NOW THEY'VE HIRED STAFF AND THE CITY HAS STAFF, AND WE HAVE ROLES LAID OUT IN THESE PROGRAM STATEMENTS.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. PLACING THE HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION SPECIFIC GUIDANCE AROUND APPLICATIONS.

THE HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION TOOL IS, GENERALLY SPEAKING, PRODUCING 100% AFFORDABLE UNITS THROUGH A 4% BOND.

IS A IS A REALLY STRONG TOOL TO PRODUCE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THROUGH UNDERSTANDING THE PRIORITY NEEDS OF HOUSING AND SOME OF THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT OF OUR VOLUNTARY CONSENT DECREE. AREAS OF TOWN WHERE WE'VE HAD HISTORIC CONCENTRATIONS OF LOW INCOME HOUSING PRODUCTS AND OUR CURRENT NEEDS OF HOW DO YOU BRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO HIGHER OPPORTUNITY AREAS THAT LACK AFFORDABLE HOUSING? THE APPLICATIONS GUIDANCE SAYS TO PRIORITIZE APPLICATIONS AND THOSE HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREAS AND NOT REQUEST WAIVERS FOR OUR RECAP AREAS WHICH ARE

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SO IF THAT PROJECT NEEDS TO BE IN AN AREA THAT MIGHT HAVE HIGH POVERTY OR SOMETHING, BUT IT CAN ADDRESS SLUM AND BLIGHT, A REDEVELOPMENT OF A PROJECT, SOME OTHER COMMUNITY BENEFIT THAT ADDS VALUE TO THE PUBLIC BENEFIT ASIDE FROM PUBLIC HOUSING.

THEN THAT PROJECT CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH A THREE QUARTER CITY COUNCIL VOTE FOR APPROVAL.

SO THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL THRESHOLD TO BE MET, BUT IT DOES ALIGN THE HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION RESOURCES IN OUR CITIES, GEOGRAPHIES WITH THE TYPE OF PROJECTS THAT WE NEED TO SEE MOVING FORWARD.

THE CORPORATIONS DIDN'T HAVE ANY GUIDANCE ON WHAT THEY COULD SAY NO TO IN TERMS OF APPLICATIONS.

SO ADDING A CRITERIA THAT THEY COULD SAY, WE DON'T NEED TO TAKE YOUR APPLICATION RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU'RE AT CAPACITY, YOU HAVE TOO MANY PROJECTS YOU NEED TO PERFORM AND HAVE COMPLETIONS WAS SOMETHING TO TO GRANT THE CORPORATIONS SOME COMPLIANCE RULES THAT ALLOWS THEM TO A THRESHOLD TO MEET FOR A CRITERIA THAT THEY COULD EVALUATE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

AND FINALLY, THE HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION SHOULD TRACK AND REPORT THE TOTAL EXEMPT VALUE OF PROJECTS ANNUALLY.

THE PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION, ON THE NEXT SLIDE WOULD CONTINUE THAT SAME TYPE OF PRIORITIZATION, EXCEPT FOR BECAUSE THE PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION CAN BRING HALF OF THEIR UNITS AS MARKET RATE.

THIS IS RECOMMENDED TO GO IN THE HIGHER POVERTY AREAS BECAUSE THIS TOOL ALLOWS US TO BRING A MARKET RATE APARTMENT COMPLEX TO AN AREA THAT MIGHT NOT SEE ANY MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OF ITS CURRENT CONDITIONS.

AND SO TRYING TO ALIGN THE PFC IN THOSE AREAS IN HFC AND THE OTHERS AS A AS A PRIORITY, BUT NOT THE ONLY SOLUTION, HELPS US ALIGN THESE GREAT RESOURCES WITH THE THE HOUSING NEEDS THAT WE FACE IN DALLAS.

AND AGAIN, IF THE IF THIS IS NOT IN A HIGH POVERTY AREA BUT IT CAN ADDRESS RAPIDLY CHANGING CENSUS TRACTS, AREAS THAT MIGHT BE GENTRIFYING PRETTY QUICKLY.

AND WE CAN PROVE THAT. AND THERE'S A NEED TO ESTABLISH AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

NOW, WHILE THAT MARKET RATE IS CHANGING, THEN THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED BECAUSE IT'S IT'S LOOKING AT A LONG TERM ASPECT OF SECURING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN AN AREA WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO SECURE LATER BECAUSE OF THE CHANGING MARKET CONDITIONS.

THE OTHER SAME THINGS REMAIN CONSISTENT WITH THE HFC MOVING FORWARD TO THE APPLICATIONS.

BOTH CORPORATIONS HAVE BEEN PRODUCING A PUBLIC BENEFIT ANALYSIS, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HILLTOP CONSULTING GROUP WORKS WITH THE CORPORATIONS TO PRODUCE. THEY BASICALLY ADD THE ANTICIPATED REVENUE, PLUS THE ANTICIPATED RENT SAVINGS, AND DIVIDE THAT BY THE ESTIMATED PROPERTY TAX SAVINGS.

AND THAT RATIO SHOWS US THE AMOUNT THAT WOULD BE PAID IN PROPERTY TAXES AGAINST THE SAVINGS.

IF THAT'S 60% OR HIGHER, IT TYPICALLY HAS A GOOD PUBLIC BENEFIT RATE OF RETURN.

IT'S A TECHNICAL FORMULA. IT'S ONE WAY TO LOOK AT DOES THIS PROJECT ADD PUBLIC VALUE IN ADDITION TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? OTHER COMPONENTS ARE WE'RE WE'RE REQUESTING THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS SEEK COUNSEL FROM THEIR COUNCIL APPOINTEE OF ALL PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN THEIR DISTRICTS TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT, IN ADDITION TO MAYBE HOUSING STAFF MEETING WITH YOU, YOU MIGHT HAVE CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS OR YOU MIGHT WANT TO HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

AND SO THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT TYPE OF CONVERSATION WITH YOU AROUND THIS RATHER THAN REQUIRING ALL OF THESE HAVE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND PLACE AN UNDUE BURDEN ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THIS ALLOWS COMMUNICATION WITH YOU AND YOUR DISTRICTS AND YOUR APPOINTED BOARD MEMBERS TO KNOW THE PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED TO BOTH BOARDS.

MOVING FORWARD WE SAID THAT THE PROJECTS SHOULD ALIGN WITH THE PRIORITIES OF THE OF THE CITY AND THAT WHEN SEEKING FUNDING FROM THE CITY THEY WILL GO THROUGH OUR NORMAL PROCESS.

THEY WILL GO THROUGH THE UNDERWRITING REQUIREMENTS, THEY'LL GO THROUGH OUR INCENTIVE APPLICATION. THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORTS. THERE WILL BE REQUIREMENTS TO PRESENT THE FINANCES TO THE DEPARTMENT AND TO HOUSING COMMITTEE REGULARLY.

SO WE UNDERSTAND THE REVENUES, WE UNDERSTAND THE COMPLETED UNITS, WE UNDERSTAND THE PIPELINES AND THAT THE STAFF THAT IS USED TO SUPPORT THE FACILITATION OF THEIR ITEMS ON COMMITTEE AND AGENDA WOULD BE REIMBURSED STAFF TIME FROM THE CORPORATIONS IN ORDER TO PERFORM THE ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS.

NEXT SLIDE TALKS ABOUT THE USE OF REVENUE. AS DRAFTED.

THE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT DIRECTOR AND THE BOARD DIRECTORS WOULD MEET TO DETERMINE THE USE OF REVENUE FOR THE YEAR,

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BEGINNING OF MY PRESENTATION, I OUTLINED THREE OF THOSE PRIORITIES THAT COULD BE USED FOR ALIGNMENT OF REVENUE AGAINST OUR HOUSING PRIORITIES THAT IS GENERATED FROM THE CORPORATION. ALSO USING THE REVENUE TO FUND GAP FINANCING THAT PROJECTS MIGHT HAVE THAT INSTEAD OF COMING TO THE CITY FOR THAT FUNDING AND GOING THROUGH OUR PROCESS, THEY COULD FUND THE GAPS DIRECTLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE REVENUE ON HAND TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT PROJECT.

THIS FINANCING WOULD BE REPORTED QUARTERLY AND ANNUALLY TO COMMITTEE.

NEXT SLIDE. IN THE LAST LEGISLATURE THERE WAS A CHANGING GUIDANCE AROUND HFC'S ALLOW FORCING HFCS TO OPERATE WITHIN THEIR SPONSORED BOUNDARIES. SO THE DALLAS HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED TO OPERATE IN DALLAS.

OTHER FINANCE CORPORATIONS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED HERE.

THIS PROGRAM STATEMENT ALSO MAKES A STATEMENT THAT SAYS THAT THE CITY WILL NOT ALLOW NON CITY SUPPORTED HOUSING, FINANCE CORPORATIONS OR PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATIONS TO SEEK COUNCIL SUPPORT.

HE WOULD ONLY BE SEEKING SUPPORT FROM OUR DALLAS HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION AND DALLAS PUBLIC FINANCE CORPORATION.

NEXT SLIDE. BOTH CORPORATIONS HAVE HIRED STAFF.

THERE HAVE BEEN COLLABORATIVE REVIEWS BETWEEN HOUSING STAFF AND THE CORPORATION STAFF.

THERE ARE PROJECTS ON THIS AGENDA MOVING FORWARD FOR CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION, AS IT WAS OUR GUIDANCE TO KEEP PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD WHILE WE WORKED ON PROGRAM STATEMENT UPDATES. AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU'LL STILL SEE ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA WHILE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE PROGRAM CHANGES.

THE NEXT SLIDE IN THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD WITH ALL OF THE ADVOCATES IN BOARD MEMBERS THERE WAS A CONSENSUS GENERALLY ON MOST OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE LAID OUT IN THE PROGRAM STATEMENT.

HOWEVER, THE GEOGRAPHIC FOCUS, THE PRIORITIZATION OF HOW I'VE ALIGNED, THE RELATIONSHIP OF PFC AND HFC WITH OUR GEOGRAPHY AND OUR HISTORY IN DALLAS AND ALLOWING THEM TO WORK OUTSIDE OF THOSE PRIORITIES. THERE WAS A DISAGREEMENT WITH THE CORPORATIONS WITHOUT SPEAKING FOR THEM.

THEY'RE AVAILABLE HERE. GENERALLY SPEAKING, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL UNITS THAT WE CAN PRODUCE IN DALLAS, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS, AND HOUSING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT.

YES, WE DO, BUT WE'D LIKE TO TAILOR SUIT THESE TOOLS TO ALSO ADDRESS ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY ISSUES THAT WE FACED AND WITHIN OUR CITY, THE PROJECT PRIORITIZATION AND TAX EXEMPTION CAP.

SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ASKED US TO SET A NUMBER OF PROJECTS, A CAP OR A TOTAL EXPENDITURE CAP.

THAT IS A VERY DIFFICULT THING TO DO, IS THAT BOTH THESE CORPORATIONS TYPICALLY HAVE UNDERPERFORMING PROJECTS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN EXISTING TAX.

HOWEVER, THE NEW BUILDING WOULD HAVE PRODUCED PROPERTY TAXES EXCEPT FOR THE EXEMPTION.

SO THE ANTICIPATED PROPERTY TAX REVENUE LOSS IS BASED UPON A BUILDING THAT WOULD NOT HAVE THE TAX EXEMPTIONS, BUT THE EXISTING PROPERTIES BEFORE THEM ALSO DID NOT HAVE A HIGH PERFORMING TAX VALUE.

SO UNDERSTANDING THAT TOTAL IMPACT AGAINST ALL OF THE OTHER EXEMPTIONS IN THE CITY AND ALL THE OTHER BUDGET THINGS THAT YOU ALL SEE ON A DAILY BASIS ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY, IS ONE THAT WE REALLY NEED TO SEEK YOUR ADVICE ON TO SET LIMITS OR TO, AS WE PROPOSED CONTINUE TO REPORT OUT ON THAT TOTAL ANTICIPATED LOSS VALUE AND THE REAL LOSS VALUE AND MONITOR IT AND LOOK AT THE REAL IMPACT OF THAT FOR FURTHER CONVERSATION AND AWARENESS THROUGH THE REPORTING.

THE FINAL ITEM OF DISCUSSION WAS OUR BOARD PARTICIPATION.

THE CORPORATIONS FEEL AS IF A BOARD LIAISON ROLE MIGHT BE MORE IN ALIGNMENT, ALLOWING US TO BE ABLE TO PUBLICLY SPEAK ON THINGS, HOWEVER, NOT ATTEND EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND STAFF REVIEW IS SAYING WE'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT HEARING THE LEGAL ISSUES IN ISSUES AND EXECUTIVE SESSION, THEN BEING ABLE TO SPEAK ON ITEMS THAT COME UP.

SO YOUR YOUR CONVERSATION AND DISCUSSION ON SHOULD WE HAVE A SEAT AS AN EX OFFICIO MEMBERS, SHOULD WE SET A CAP ON PROJECTS AND SHOULD WE HAVE PRIORITIZATION ON GEOGRAPHICAL FOCUS ON THESE PROJECTS IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION TODAY.

I'LL WRAP UP IN A COUPLE MINUTES. I KNOW THAT THIS IS A HEAVY PRESENTATION.

TAKE YOUR TIME, OKAY? YOU'RE OUR EXPERT AND WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

SO. OKAY. I JUST DON'T WANT TO KNOW. THIS IS IMPORTANT.

THANK YOU. MA'AM. THE NEXT ITEM OUR CURRENT HOUSING TAX PROGRAM STATEMENT, WHICH IS NOT PRESENTED TO YOU IN DRAFT FORM BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT LAYS OUT SOME OF THE RULES FOR THE 4% AND 9% LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT APPLICATIONS.

IT COPIES SOME ELEMENTS FROM THE QUALIFIED ACTION PLAN, WHICH IS THE GUIDING DOCUMENT FROM THC AND HOW DEVELOPERS WILL APPLY FOR THEIR TAX CREDITS. IT'S NOT REAL CLEAR. AND THERE ARE SOME ELEMENTS THAT MAKE SENSE AND THEN SOME THAT KIND OF INTERWEAVE.

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AND SO OUR PROGRAM STATEMENT IS JUST GOING TO ROLL THAT BACK TO PRODUCE.

HERE IS THE LINK TO THE QUALIFIED ACTION PLAN.

HERE IS OUR CALENDAR. HERE IS THE REVIEW PROCESS.

IT DOES INCLUDE A FAIR HOUSING REVIEW. AND WE'RE GOING TO INVITE INCLUDE WHAT OUR CHECKLIST LOOKS LIKE IN THAT FAIR HOUSING CHECKLIST LOOKS LIKE FOR JUST SIMPLICITY AND CLEAR UNDERSTANDING. ALONG WITH THAT, WE'LL HAVE SET TIMES FOR WEBINARS TO ENGAGE THE DEVELOPER COMMUNITY BEFORE THEY APPLY FOR THE 9% APPLICATIONS IN DECEMBER.

AND NEXT MONTH, WE'LL HAVE A MEMO DETAILING THAT ENTIRE CALENDAR FOR THE END OF THE YEAR.

THE NEXT STEPS STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVING THE AMENDMENTS.

AS DRAFTED. HOWEVER IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT ALL OF THESE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS SHOULD BE LOOKED AT REGULARLY IN TERMS OF WHAT'S WORKING, WHAT'S PROVIDING BARRIERS WHAT ARE THE CONCERNS AND HAVE ABILITY TO CONTINUE TO MAKE REFINEMENTS AND ADJUSTMENTS? NOT TRYING TO STOP ANY ACTIVITY IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS, BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT WE NEED TO BRING MORE COMPLIANCE AND ADMINISTRATION OVERSIGHT TO OUR CORPORATIONS, AS YOU HAVE ALL INSTRUCTED IS WHAT THE INTENTIONALITY BEHIND THE PROGRAM STATEMENT WAS TO ALLOW FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY OF SOME PROJECTS THAT CAN EXIST IN COUNCIL DISTRICTS. THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE PRIORITIZATION, BUT TO REALLY ACKNOWLEDGE WE HAVE HOUSING NEEDS IN THE CITY AND TO ALIGN THIS WORK WITH THOSE HOUSING NEEDS. WITH THAT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO START WITH WHERE YOU JUST ENDED.

HOW FREQUENTLY DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THIS? I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THIS ANNUALLY. I THINK, AS WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CURRENT FINANCIAL CLIMATE FOR MANY OF OUR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS CONTINUES TO BE CHALLENGED FROM A VARIETY OF OF USES.

THESE RESOURCES AND OFFERING TAX EXEMPTIONS TO PRODUCE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS VERY STRONG TOOL AND RESOURCE TO TO ACHIEVE THAT.

I DO THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE COMPLETE FISCAL IMPACT OF THE PROJECTS, AND WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IMPACT DESIGN AND SIZE AND MASSING AND QUALITY CONTINUES TO BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND OUR COMMUNITY CONCERNS AS WELL.

OKAY, WELL THOUGHT AND MISS SADIYA, YOU CAN NOW PUT THIS AS A FORECAST ITEM FOR EVERY OCTOBER FOR US TO GO THROUGH THIS, PLEASE. THANK YOU. LET'S JUST TAKE THAT THAT ITEM OFF THE DISCUSSION LIST, SINCE THERE ARE SO MANY SO COMMITTEE, THERE'S A LOT TO COVER. THERE'S MANY NEW MEMBERS TO THE COMMITTEE.

AND OF COURSE, WE'VE HAD SOME FOLKS JOIN US THAT ARE NOT ON THE COMMITTEE, SOME WHO'VE PREVIOUSLY BEEN ON THE COMMITTEE, SOME WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN ON THE COMMITTEE. SO THERE'S SORT OF A WIDE RANGE OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS ACTUALLY START WITH THE NEWEST MEMBERS SO THEY CAN ASK THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE CAN DIG DEEPER.

FOR THOSE OF US WHO WERE HERE WHEN SOME OF THIS STUFF WAS FORMED.

COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR, YOU HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE AT CPC.

AND HERE'S YOUR FIRST STAB AT THIS THANK YOU, CHAIR.

AND YES, I MAY HAVE SEEN IT AT CPC, BUT IT'S ON A FUNDAMENTAL BASIS.

LET ME FIRST SAY THAT AT CPC, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THEY WISH FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO DIG DOWN INTO.

THEY JUST EXPECT US TO ACCEPT. EXCEPT I'M LOOKING AT YOUR MAP ON PAGE FIVE, AND IT SHOWS THE HIGH POVERTY AREA HAS A HIGH CONCENTRATION IN THE SOUTHERN AREA OF THE CITY.

BUT YOUR MAP DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL OF THE CITY, BUT IT INCLUDES SOME OF THE AREAS THAT AREN'T IN THE CITY.

I WAS SHARING. WELL, I WAS SPEAKING WITH OUR CHAIR.

DOESN'T THIS DOESN'T EVEN HAVE HER HER DISTRICT IN IT.

ALL OF IT. SO IT DOESN'T GIVE US A TRUE PICTURE OF WHAT OUR HIGH POVERTY AREAS ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE ON A, ON A CITY BASIS. BUT IT DOES SHOW US THAT THERE IS A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF POVERTY IN ONE IN CONCENTRATED IN THE SOUTHERN AREA.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, THAT YOU THAT YOUR, YOU SAID THAT YOU WOULD THERE'S THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES WHERE NO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WOULD OCCUR AS TO WHERE DEVELOPMENT

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ONE ON ONE VERSION OF WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE HOUSING.

WHAT WHAT BOTH OF THESE HOUSING CORPORATIONS ARE, HOW THEY OPERATE, THE BENEFITS THEY PROVIDE TO THE CITY, THE THE CHALLENGES TO THE CONCENTRATION OF POVERTY.

AND WHAT I HAVE SEEN AS A CONCENTRATION OF THE THE TAX CREDITS AND OR THE, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT A LOWER STANDING THAT ALSO CONCENTRATES MORE POVERTY IN AN ALREADY IMPOVERISHED AREA OF THE CITY. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT CAN BE GIVEN NOT ONLY TO ME, BUT ALL OF THE NEWER MEMBERS THAT ARE ON COUNCIL, AS WELL AS MAYBE THOSE WHO ARE NEW TO THIS COMMITTEE AND MAY HAVE THE SAME FUNDAMENTAL LACK OF KNOWLEDGE THAT I HAVE.

YES, WE CAN WE CAN PROVIDE A FOLLOW UP MEMO TO THIS FOR, FOR NEXT MEETING THAT TALKS OR DO YOU WANT IT SOONER, CHAIR. SO I ACTUALLY AM NOT SURE SHE'S TALKING ABOUT A MEMO.

I THINK SHE'S TALKING ABOUT A TRAINING SESSION.

OKAY. OKAY, I HEAR YOU. OKAY. SO PERHAPS WE CAN OFFER, YOU KNOW, A TWO HOUR, LIKE, HERE'S AN HOUR ON HFC AND HERE'S AN HOUR ON PFC. BECAUSE THE REALITY IS THIS IS ACTUALLY PRETTY COMPLEX.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS. AND, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER WEST AND I DEBATE THIS VERY OFTEN.

BUT REALLY, EVEN THAT WE ONLY DO IT A VERY SURFACE LEVEL.

AND THESE ARE IMPORTANT CHANGES. PEOPLE'S LIVELIHOODS ARE AT STAKE.

WE'VE HEARD FROM THEY'RE SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE.

WE'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF THEM. AND WHAT THEY DO WITH THEIR BUSINESS IS VERY DEPENDENT ON SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE.

AND IF WE DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THEM, I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM.

AND SO, YES, YOU KNOW, LIKE GOING THROUGH THE FORMATION DOCUMENTS TO EXPLAIN HOW IT'S WORKING AND WHY IT'S WORKING THAT WAY IS PROBABLY NEEDED.

AND PERHAPS YOU CAN OFFER IT TO ALL OF THE COUNCIL AND SEE HOW MANY ARE COMING AND WHATEVER QUORUM ISSUES YOU THINK EXIST.

I DON'T THINK THEY DO EXIST, BUT AND MAYBE YOU NEED TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE SESSION TO ACCOMMODATE SCHEDULES, BUT IF YOU COULD MAKE YOURSELF AVAILABLE BEFORE OUR NEXT HOUSING COMMITTEE MEETING SO THAT THEY CAN WALK IN AND FEEL LIKE I KNOW THE SUBJECT, I KNOW WHETHER I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE DO A OR B, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME POINTS THAT YOU'RE MAYBE RECOMMENDING A, BUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY ARE SAYING, BUT WE WOULD RATHER HAVE B.

THAT'S CORRECT. AND IT'S IMPORTANT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

RIGHT. LIKE YOUR INTEREST IS THE CITY AND THE CITY'S SUCCESS.

THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY HAS THEIR OWN INTEREST.

AND WHILE THERE MAY BE A LOT MORE OF THEM, YOU'RE THE GUARDIAN THAT WE'RE EXPECTING AND PROFESSIONAL WE'RE EXPECTING TO HEAR FROM.

AND SO THIS IS REALLY YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN THE CORE ISSUE.

YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. YEAH. ALSO, IN ADDITION TO THAT, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO MY DISTRICT TO MAKE SURE WHAT IS BEING ALLOWED AND WHAT IS NOT BEING ALLOWED IS GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE HEALTH AND THE THE FINANCIAL GROWTH OF EACH DISTRICT.

IF IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT WE WE CAN'T REPRESENT OUR COMMUNITIES APPROPRIATELY.

AND RIGHT NOW, I DON'T UNDERSTAND ENOUGH TO SAY YES OR NO.

UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. WELL, WE STARTED THIS WAY. DO YOU WANT TO KEEP GOING? WHO ELSE IS A NEW MEMBER? OKAY. NEW TO HOUSING COMMITTEE? NO. OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

IT IS A COMPLEX ISSUE AND THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME, BUT I DEFINITELY WANT TO GIVE CREDIT TO THESE TWO ENTITIES FOR BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR 73% OF THE PRODUCTION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I THINK THAT WAS LAST YEAR'S LAST YEAR'S.

YES. YEAH, 73%. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S MASSIVE.

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AND I KNOW WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF AN ANNUAL REVIEW IS WHAT I WOULD SAY WE NEED TO DO AT THIS POINT.

I THINK AS WE GET DOWN THE LINE MAYBE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO EXAMINE.

BUT MY GOSH, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS FOR A YEAR AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY RESOLUTION, SO I'M JUST I'D RATHER, YOU KNOW, LET THEM LET THEM GO. AND BECAUSE WE DO HAVE OVERSIGHT AND JUST SOME OF WHAT YOU DESCRIBED IN THE PROCESS IS THAT OVERSIGHT EXISTS HERE. BUT THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES.

AND SO HOW MUCH THE CITY INTERTWINES WITH THESE BOARDS, FOR INSTANCE, IN A ROLE LIKE AN EX OFFICIO ROLE, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S GOT CONFLICT. I MEAN, IT'S FRAUGHT WITH CONFLICT JUST STARTING WITH WHERE THEIR FIDUCIARY DUTY LIES.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO WHAT WE DO, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, BE THE SOUNDING BOARD, BE INVOLVED IN EXAMINING THE DEALS.

I THINK THERE'S A FLOW OF INFORMATION BETWEEN, I MEAN, TO TO HOUSING STAFF.

I MEAN, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S A GAP IN THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE GETTING FROM THESE BOARDS? THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. NO, I DON'T I DON'T THINK THERE'S A GAP IN THAT.

I THINK THAT WE'VE WORKED THE PROCESS OUT, BUT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT DRAFTED.

IT'S NOT ALIGNED ANYWHERE. IT DOESN'T HAVE YOUR GUIDANCE ON IT IN TERMS OF A PROGRAM STATEMENT ABOUT WHAT STAFF SHOULD BE DOING VERSUS THE CORPORATIONS DOING.

AND THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE PROGRAM STATEMENTS, IS TO PROVIDE THAT CLARITY SO THAT WE ALL KNOW OUR JOBS AND CAN PRESENT THAT FORWARD.

SO I THINK THERE WAS A WORD SUGGESTED OF LIAISON.

SO I THINK THAT COULD BE STRONGER THAN A STRONGER WAY TO OPERATE VERSUS AN EX OFFICIO BOARD SEAT.

THAT AND EVEN THOUGH I SAW ALSO SAW REFERENCE, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION ON, ON THIS ITEM ABOUT NOT BEING INVOLVED IN STAFFING DECISIONS. THERE ARE SOME OTHER DECISIONS THAT WOULD GO BEFORE THOSE BOARDS THAT I THINK WOULD BE IN DIRECT CONFLICT. I JUST THINK WE'RE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR A PROBLEM THERE, AND I WOULD RATHER SEE THE OVERSIGHT COME IN A DIFFERENT FORM OR DIFFERENT PLACE.

SO THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON THAT ONE. AS FAR AS THE GEOGRAPHIC RESTRICTIONS, MIXED INCOME COMMUNITIES I WANT TO RESPECT WHAT'S GOING ON IN OTHER PARTS OF TOWN AND COLLEAGUES HAVING A HIGH LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THEIR DISTRICTS.

BUT I LIKE A SUGGESTION, AND I BELIEVE IT'S IN COUNCIL MEMBER WEST MEMO ABOUT NOT PUTTING THE CAPS AND RESTRICTIONS BECAUSE WE DESPERATELY NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IN FACT, I THINK THAT IT WAS VERY BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THE FELLOW FROM HAVEN FOR HOPE TALK ABOUT THE THE GAP IN HOUSING THAT WAS NEEDED BETWEEN 30 AND 50%.

AMI, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT WOULD APPLY TO DALLAS AS WELL.

AND SO WHEN WE'VE GOT ONE OF THESE ENTITIES THAT TRAINS ON THAT ON THAT AREA, I WOULD SAY WE NEED MORE FROM THEM.

NOT NOT ANYTHING THAT WOULD SLOW THEM DOWN. SO I REALLY LIKED CALLING OUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MIGHT BENEFIT THE CITY AS A WHOLE AND SOME COLLEAGUES TO HAVE THE LATITUDE TO SAY, LET ME NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, CUT THIS OFF FROM BEING SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IN MY DISTRICT, BUT RATHER LOOK AT THE DEGREE OF RESIDENT RENT BURDEN.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT IS THE PROJECTED LOSS OF UNITS FROM EXPIRING RENTAL SUBSIDIES AND LOSS OF NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS WE SEE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING? THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN TUNE WITH THAT AND MAY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE DO WANT TO LET THIS PROJECT THROUGH THE GATE.

RISK OF GENTRIFICATION. SO I THINK THAT THOSE ARE GETTING A LITTLE MORE FINE TUNED ON PROJECTS.

I WOULD HATE TO JUST SHUT THINGS OUT, BUT RATHER LET US GIVE THE DEGREE OF CONSIDERATION FROM OUR COUNCIL APPOINTED BOARDS WHO RECEIVE TRAINING RUNS THROUGH YOU. IT'S GOING THROUGH A LOT OF STEPS BEFORE IT EVEN COMES TO US.

BUT I KNOW FROM THE RESEARCH I'VE DONE OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS ON THIS THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER IS INVOLVED.

EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S NOT GOING TO GO VERY FAR IF YOU'RE NOT INVOLVING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER.

AND SO I JUST THINK ALL HEADS FOCUSED ON THIS AND MAKING THE DECISIONS NOT BASED ON A CAP OR A LIMIT, BUT RATHER WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON IN THIS PART OF THE DISTRICT AT THIS MOMENT.

SO THAT WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT LIMITING. THE OTHER THING I WOULD TOUCH ON IS LIMITING THE DEVELOPERS IF THEY'VE GOT MORE THAN ONE PROJECT.

I MEAN, IF WE'VE GOT SOMEONE WHO IS SUCCESSFUL AND HAS CAPACITY, I DON'T WANT TO HOLD THEM BACK.

THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE FIVE PROJECTS GOING ON, BUT IT IS TO SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE ONE THAT YOU GET DINGED.

I JUST I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT.

I MEAN, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR PARTNERS WHO ARE OPERATING IN A QUALITY FASHION, AND IF WE FIND THEM, I WOULD SAY WE NEED TO GIVE THEM MORE OPPORTUNITY.

AND I COULD GO ON. BUT I HAVE A FEELING OTHERS HAVE THINGS TO BRING UP AS WELL.

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART.

OKAY, I'M NOT ON THE COMMITTEE. I'M JUST GOING IN THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK.

OKAY, OKAY. AND WE'RE NOT DOING IT BY COMMITTEE. OKAY. I WAS STEPPING BACK. OKAY, SO I AM HERE TODAY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT THE HOUSING TOOLS. RIGHT? CAN YOU JUST MOVE THAT MICROPHONE UP A LITTLE BIT? SORRY, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT THE HOUSING TOOLS.

WE HAVE 36,000 NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS IN DISTRICT TEN, AND WE CLEARLY HAVE POVERTY AREAS.

BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN FOR, I THINK, A NUMBER OF YEARS.

AND WE HAVE NOT, AS I WOULD SAY, THE LEADERSHIP IN OUR DISTRICT HAS NOT REACHED OUT TO USE ANY OF THESE TOOLS.

HFC AND PFC SPECIFICALLY IS WHAT I'M REFERRING TO.

BUT WE HAVE THE TRAVELING HFCS ARRIVED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PRETTY SUBSTANTIALLY.

WE PROBABLY HAVE ANYWHERE FROM 18 TO 20 APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE IN FINANCIAL DISTRESS BECAUSE OF THAT.

AND WE HAVE ABOUT 6500 APARTMENT UNITS THAT ARE NOW IN STATE OF FLUX.

HAVING LIVED IN MY DISTRICT A LONG TIME, I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE HIT THESE BUMPS ON THE ROAD, WHEN OUR FINANCE, OUR THE FINANCIAL STABILITY OF THESE APARTMENT COMPLEXES IS UPSIDE DOWN AND THEY'RE NOT PERFORMING WELL. THEY ARE NOT THEY'RE ALL PROBABLY TEETERING ON THE EDGE OF FORECLOSURE, OF TURNING THE PROPERTIES BACK OVER TO A LENDER.

I'VE SPOKEN WITH OWNERSHIP OF SEVERAL OF THEM, NOT A MAJORITY, BUT PROBABLY ABOUT A THIRD.

AND THEY'RE GRASPING FOR HELP. SO IT'S A CRISIS IN DISTRICT TEN.

IT'S A HOUSING CRISIS IN DISTRICT TEN. AND NOT ONE THAT I WAS PREPARED FOR.

BUT AS I'VE STARTED TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THIS AND LOOK THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

DO WE MUST WE LIMIT OUR HFC AND CFC PROJECTS TO GEOGRAPHICAL RESTRICTIONS, TO POVERTY PERCENTAGES? IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE THE OPTIONS TO DO EITHER ONE THROUGHOUT OUR CITY? SO AS WE START TO CRAFT FOR ME, CRAFTING THE RESPONSE TO THIS CRISIS, BUT OTHERS WHO ARE LOOKING AT POVERTY AREAS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THERE AND NEED THE HAVE NEEDED THESE TOOLS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, IF NOT DECADES.

DO WE NEED THE GEOGRAPHICAL LIMITATIONS? I WOULD LOVE THE FLEXIBILITY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. THE GEOGRAPHIC LIMITATIONS TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION SOME OF THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT OF HIGH POVERTY AREAS AND CONCENTRATION. PART OF THE UNDERSTANDING WAS THE SUPREME COURT CASE ON DISPARATE IMPACT RELATED TO OVERCONCENTRATION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THE CITY ENTERED INTO A VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT IN THE 2018 ERA.

ONE OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS THAT OUR HOUSING POLICIES WOULD SCREEN FOR PROJECTS IN 20% HIGH POVERTY AREAS OR ARE GREATER.

NOW THAT'S A DIFFERENT THRESHOLD THAN THE QUALIFIED. THE SHAPE, WHICH LOOKS AT 40%, BUT THAT 20% HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 2018, IN THE CITY, TO MAKE SURE WE HAD EXTRA EYES AND ANALYSIS ON PROJECTS TO NOT FOLLOW THE SAME HISTORICAL TRENDS OR TO BE AWARE OF THOSE HISTORICAL TRENDS OR THAT RISK THAT WE MIGHT PUT OUR CITY IN.

SO NO, WE DO NOT HAVE TO SET GEOGRAPHIC LIMITATIONS.

THE ONES THAT WERE SET HERE WERE TRYING TO FIND A BALANCE OF PRIORITIZING AGAINST THE POTENTIAL AMOUNT OF AFFORDABLE UNITS IN EACH OF THOSE CORPORATIONS COMPARED TO CENSUS TRACTS THAT WE WE KNOW MIGHT FALL INTO THAT RISK CATEGORY, BUT ALSO CARVING OUT WAYS THAT THEY COULD EXIST ANYWHERE IF THEY ARE DOING THE REHAB, IF THEY'RE ADDRESSING ENVIRONMENTAL NUISANCE. AND SO IT GIVES US THE PRIORITY.

SO IT'S A IT'S A CIRCULAR LIMITATION, RIGHT? YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT BOTH TOOLS IN MY DISTRICT PERHAPS.

AND I THINK I NEED THAT FLEXIBILITY. AND MOSTLY THAT'S BECAUSE OF WHAT'S JUST TRANSPIRED WITH THE TRAVELING HFCS.

I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY REACHED OUT TO THAT TO DO THAT OPTION OF THE TRAVELING HFC BECAUSE THEY WERE IN FINANCIAL DISTRESS, WHICH IS INTEREST RATES ARE HIGH. THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT.

I UNDERSTAND HOW THIS HAS COME ABOUT, BUT NONETHELESS IT'S LANDED IN MY LAP, SO TO SPEAK.

AND PUTTING THESE KIND THIS KIND OF LANGUAGE AND A PROGRAMMATIC STATEMENT THAT THIS SHALL NOT OR CANNOT BE UNDER THESE PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE PUT THESE LIMITATIONS WITH, WITH PRETTY NOT FLEXIBLE LANGUAGE.

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AND I I WOULD SAY OUR OTHER DISTRICTS PROBABLY NEED THAT FLEXIBILITY TOO.

MAYBE WHERE YOU'VE HISTORICALLY HAD A LOT OF HFCS, YOU WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE PFC, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE WE'RE MAKING IT EXCLUSIVE, WHY ONE IS BEING PUSHED TO ONE DEMOGRAPHIC AND ONE IS BEING PUSHED TO ANOTHER.

I DON'T I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE WISDOM IN THAT.

I THINK WE'RE PRETTY SMART PEOPLE, AND I THINK WE COULD FIGURE THIS OUT.

AND WE KNOW THERE NEEDS TO BE BALANCE. BALANCE IS THE KEY.

IT I MEAN, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT. AND IT IT'S BALANCED IN THE SENSE OF YOU'VE GOT ONE TOOL FOR ONE AND ONE TOOL FOR ANOTHER, BUT IT'S NOT BALANCED WITHIN HOW IT COULD BE USED WITHIN A DISTRICT.

SO I AM WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAMMATIC LANGUAGE WITH RESPECT TO THE GEOGRAPHICAL QUESTION.

YOUR OTHER QUESTIONS, I THE CAP I'D HAVE TO SPEND MORE TIME ON AND THE REPRESENTATION AND AN EX-OFFICIO POSITION IS PERFECTLY FINE.

I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY VERY WISE. SO THAT'S WHERE I AM.

AND I TOO COULD PROBABLY MAYBE SIT IN ON THAT BRIEFING WITH COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR GRACEY, THANK YOU.

I'LL START WITH THE GEOGRAPHIC FOCUS. NOW, REMIND ME FROM A LOCATION PERSPECTIVE, I THINK IT WAS 41 AND 20 SOMETHING. PFC, WHERE WERE MOST OF THOSE PROJECTS? SO THEY'RE ALL OVER THE CITY. AS PART OF THE TRAINING MATERIAL, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL HAVE THE MAPS THAT SHOW WHERE THEY ALL EXIST.

AND AND THERE'S DEFINITELY A SHIFT IN, IN THE DIFFERENT YEARS IN TERMS OF THEIR GEOGRAPHIC FOCUS AND ALIGNMENT WITH SOME OF THE POLICY LANGUAGE.

WE TOOK A LOOK AT BOTH HFC AND PFC PROJECTS TO SEE IF IF THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PASS IN THE PROGRAM LANGUAGE AND THE MAJORITY OF THEM WOULD HAVE MET THE CRITERIA AS PRESENTED. OKAY.

I TOO, I'M NOT NECESSARILY INTERESTED. I CAN APPRECIATE THE NEED FOR RESTRICTING GEOGRAPHICALLY.

WHEN IT COMES TO A CONCENTRATION OF LOW INCOME.

I MEAN, SOUTHERN DALLAS, DISTRICT THREE THREE, FOUR, EIGHT.

REALLY? ALL OF THEM ARE NO STRANGERS TO AN INFLUX OF LOW INCOME APARTMENTS.

SO ON ONE HAND, YOU HAVE THIS NEED, YOU HAVE THIS BALANCE OF WE HAVE TOO MANY LOW INCOME PROJECTS.

MANY OF THEM HAVE OUTDATED AND GONE WELL PAST AND NOW ARE JUST WHAT THEY ARE VERSUS THE NEED TO HAVE NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN, IN THE, IN THE AREA. SO I'M NOT I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO RESTRICT US, BUT I DO WANT STRATEGIC ANALYSIS IN TERMS OF HOW WE'RE DETERMINING THE LOCATION OF IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF SOME BOARD MEMBERS, I SEE HIM THERE IN TERMS OF OUR DECISION MAKING, THE BOARD'S DECISION MAKING PROCESS, IN TERMS OF APPROVING IT FROM A GEOGRAPHICAL.

AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT A RESTRICTION, BUT TAKING DOING AN ANALYSIS OF THE SURROUNDING AREA TO SEE WHAT THE IMPACT WILL BE.

WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE PRIORITIZATION OF THE TAX EXEMPT PIECE.

YOU KNOW, ON ONE HAND, YOU HAVE THESE PROJECTS AND THESE TOOLS IN PLACE, WHICH I AM A FAN AND SUPPORT WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

BUT YOU HAVE IT WHERE OKAY, YOU CAN PUT A PROJECT LIKE THIS IN AN AREA TO HOPEFULLY INCREASE THE FUTURE TAX BASE BECAUSE IT WILL SPARK DEVELOPMENT AROUND IN A, NORMALLY IN AN AREA WHERE IT'S LOW INCOME.

THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER CONSIDERATION IN TERMS OF AS WE LOOK TO TRY TO ADDRESS OUR, YOU KNOW, HOUSING UNIT SHORTAGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, CAN THIS AREA APPRECIATE OR AFFORD IT FROM A TAX BASE PERSPECTIVE? AND IS IT OKAY TO PLACE IT HERE? SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LOT MORE OF THIS DECISION MAKING ANALYSIS GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.

SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A RESTRICTION, BUT MAYBE, PERHAPS ON THE MONTHLY REPORTING ON THE ON WHEN THEY COME TO THE COMMITTEE ON A REPORTING BASIS, SOME ANALYSIS HAS SHOWN IN TERMS OF HOW THIS PROJECT WAS DETERMINED TO BE LOCATED HERE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO THAT'S WHERE I AM THERE.

CAN I ASK YOU, CAN I JUST ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? YEAH. ARE YOU SAYING YOU'D LIKE TO SEE A REPORT OF PROJECTS THAT THE HFC AND PFC ARE CURRENTLY CONSIDERING, OR. I'M NOT SURE. WELL, YEAH. SO ON THE ON THAT SIDE, YES.

PENDING PROJECTS. AS, AS WELL AS THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, BUT MAYBE ON THE SIDE.

JUST A DECISION MAKING MATRIX THAT SHOWS, YOU KNOW ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT,

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SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT BUT I'M, I'M I WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME SORT.

I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO RESTRICT US, BUT I NEED TO KNOW PROOF THAT THESE THOUGHTS HAVE BEEN MADE AND IT JUST HASN'T BEEN RUBBER STAMPED.

AND ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE CONSIDERED. SO HOWEVER, I CAN GET THAT LEVEL OF COMFORT WITH THESE PROJECTS.

I'M FINE. AND SHE'S RIGHT. WE ARE ALL INVOLVED IN MANY OF THESE PROJECTS AND MANY OF THESE DISCUSSIONS.

BUT COLLECTIVELY, WE'RE NOT ALWAYS LOOKING AT THE OVERALL IMPACT THAT IT HAS IN THE AREAS THERE.

SO I'M GONNA STOP, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND TAKING A MOMENT TO MAYBE AND AND COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR, YOU ALSO ARE SAYING THIS IS HELPFUL, MAYBE IDENTIFY THE DATA POINTS OR CONSIDERED ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO HEAR FROM SO THAT THOR CAN PROVIDE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.

I THINK YOU'RE ON TO A GOOD POINT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE WANT SO THAT HE CAN DELIVER IT.

SURE, SURE. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU ON THAT.

AND THAT'S ALSO A REQUEST TO THE TO THE BOARDS, RIGHT.

BECAUSE THEY'RE THE FIRST SCREENERS ON THESE ON THE APPLICATION.

SO THEY THEY DO THE FRONTLINE APPLICATIONS. ONCE IT'S PASSED THAT BOARD LEVEL, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A RELATIONSHIP ON THE BOARD, WE WAIT FOR THAT TO COME TO US SAYING, WE'RE READY TO MOVE THIS FOR COMMITTEE CONSULTATION.

AT THAT POINT, WE DO A FAIR HOUSING REVIEW ON IT, AND WE'VE LOOKED AT THE CONCENTRATION OF POVERTY. AND THAT'S IN THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT YOU SEE. WE HIGHLIGHT THE COUNCIL DISTRICT, THE THE POVERTY LEVEL SOME OF THE SCORING CRITERIA.

BUT IT'S JUST A MATTER OF FACT, WE'RE A PASS THROUGH FROM THE CORPORATIONS TO, TO YOU ALL.

AND SO STAFF'S ABILITY TO DO FURTHER ANALYSIS ON IT IS NOT DEFINED RIGHT NOW IN ANY PROGRAM STATEMENT.

SO THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A REQUEST TO THE CORPORATIONS FROM TODAY THAT THEY WOULD PRODUCE ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS FOR PRESENTATION.

MOVING THIS FORWARD. AND IN THAT ANALYSIS, IS THERE LIKE AN ECONOMIC IMPACT, FUTURE ECONOMIC IMPACT.

ALL OF THAT IS INCLUDED IN THAT ANALYSIS. IF YOU'D LIKE TO CALL SOME OF THE CORPORATIONS DOWN, THEY'D BE BETTER SUITED TO ADDRESS THAT. SURE.

KEITH? ANY BODY? YEAH. KEN. WHOMEVER. ALL OF THEM.

COME ON THROUGH. WELL, WHY DON'T WE HAVE AARON FROM HFC AND PFC AND COME DOWN AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF? AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. HI. MY NAME IS DAVID ELLIS.

I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE DALLAS HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION.

MARCY. SORRY. MARCY HELFAND, PAST PRESIDENT OF THE DALLAS HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION.

KEITH PALMER, PRESIDENT OF DALLAS PUBLIC FACILITIES CORPORATION.

AND THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION.

OKAY. AND SO REALLY, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS WHAT LEVEL OF OF ANALYSIS AND REPORTING DO YOU ALL DO TO FROM A DECISION MAKING PROCESS? WELL, THERE'S AN APPLICATION PROCESS WHEN A DEVELOPER HAS IDENTIFIED A SITE, YOU KNOW, AND THE CITY OF DALLAS, I THINK, MAY WORK FOR A HIGH TECH PROJECT, WHICH LIE TECH BEING A COMBINATION OF THE PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION, TAX EXEMPT BONDS AND TAX CREDITS, HEAVY SUBSIDIES.

THEY FOUND A PROJECT THAT THEY IN RETURN YOU GET LOW INCOME RESTRICTIONS.

SO SUBSIDIES FOR THE RESTRICTIONS, LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS LIE TECH.

THEY FOUND A SITE THEY THINK QUALIFIES. THEY MAKE AN APPLICATION THROUGH THE HFC TO OUR GENERAL MANAGER.

NOW, ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS WE ASK IS HAVE YOU INTRODUCED THIS SITE TO YOUR CITY, TO THE CITY COUNCIL PERSON OVER THAT DISTRICT.

IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THEY LIKE? DOES THIS FIT THEIR PLANS FOR THE CONSTITUENTS? THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS WE ALWAYS ASK.

WE COME IN. ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS IN A HIGH TECH PROJECT IS THE BOND INDUCEMENT.

NOW, WITH THE BOND INDUCEMENT, THAT'S THE FIRST STEP OF APPROVAL THROUGH THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

AGAIN, THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS GM ALWAYS ASK, DO YOU HAVE COUNCIL SUPPORT OF THAT SPECIFIC COUNCIL DISTRICT? THE GENERAL PRESENTATION OF THE OF THE LOCATION IS MADE.

YOU KNOW, WHERE IS IT? WHERE IS IT NEXT TO? WHAT'S THE PLAN? BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LIGHTER PRESENTATION BECAUSE WE GO IN TO GET A RESERVATION THROUGH THE TEXAS BOND REVIEW BOARD.

THEN, ASSUMING THEY GET THE RESERVATION, THERE'S ANOTHER SET OF APPROVALS, BECAUSE ALL THESE PROJECTS TYPICALLY NEED THE PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION, WHICH MEANS THEY NEED A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DALLAS HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION TO GET THE PROPERTY AND SALES TAX EXEMPTION.

ONCE THAT'S SO, THEY COME IN. AND AN MOU, A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE ECONOMICS OF THE DEAL IS PRESENTED TO US AND, YOU KNOW, THE FINANCIAL ANALYSIS, THE PROFORMA SOURCES AND USES AND REALLY KIND OF HIGH LEVEL.

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I THINK IT'S BASICALLY CALLED A TEFRA HEARING, WHERE I WANT TO STOP YOU REAL QUICK BECAUSE I KNOW I DON'T WANT TO TAKE TOO MUCH MORE TIME, BUT I DO. SO I GUESS MAYBE WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS A CLEAR DEFINITION OF THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.

SO ON ONE HAND, WE'RE WE CAN SAY, YAY, WE HAVE MORE HOUSING UNITS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY, MOST PEOPLE AREN'T ASKING FOR MORE LOW INCOME HOUSING.

SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A YAY DEPENDING ON THE PERSPECTIVE FROM A CITY'S PERSPECTIVE.

WE GOT ALL THESE UNITS. SO YAY BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S NEEDED.

BUT IN CERTAIN AREAS, IF THAT'S NOT PART OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR STRATEGY, IT ONLY HURTS WHAT WHAT'S TRYING TO BE ACCOMPLISHED AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH OVER THERE. SO WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, TO BE MORE SPECIFIC, IS THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT AND OUTCOMES IN THAT SURROUNDING AREA.

ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT PROCESS THAT YOU JUST.

AND THAT'S PART OF THE PRESENT. OKAY. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO ADD IN THERE.

WE DO DO A RENTAL BENEFIT ANALYSIS. SO WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE RESTRICTED RATE UNITS AND SAY, ALL RIGHT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MARKET RATE HERE VERSUS WHAT THEY WOULD BE GETTING AT A RESTRICTED RATE.

AND SO THEY ANALYZE THAT AND IT'S PART OF THE PUBLIC BENEFIT CALCULATION.

AND SO THEY SAY, OKAY, IF THE MARKET RATE HERE IS 1500 A MONTH IN OUR RESTRICTED RATE UNIT IS $1,000 A MONTH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE TOTAL OF THAT BENEFIT OVER 15 YEARS OR WHATNOT.

AND SO THIS IS IMPORTANT TO THE BOARD TO SEE.

BUT ON TOP OF THAT LOCATION TO SCHOOLS, LOCATION TO EMPLOYERS.

YEAH. I MEAN, THERE'S A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, LAUNDRY LIST OF STUFF THAT'S IN OUR APPLICATIONS AND IN THE PRESENTATIONS TO THE BOARD THAT WE ANALYZE FOR APPROVAL.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND SO I DON'T WASTE TOO MUCH MORE TIME.

I'M GOING TO STOP THERE. I THANK YOU. I DIDN'T MEAN TO CALL EVERYBODY DOWN, BUT I JUST WANTED TO TO GET A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF ONE, THE PROCESS TO GO THROUGH THAT. BUT AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT THIS COMMITTEE CAN REVIEW TO ENSURE COLLECTIVELY VERSUS, YOU KNOW, IN OUR DISTRICTS AS WELL, BUT COLLECTIVELY THE OUTCOME IS BEING SPREAD THROUGHOUT SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS BECAUSE THESE TOOLS ARE MEANT TO, TO, TO YOU KNOW, CREATE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES.

AND, AND JUST WANT TO QUICKLY ADD WE ACTUALLY DID A STUDY WE ENGAGED A GROUP CALLED CONCORD WHICH REALLY GAVE JUST SORT OF A IT WASN'T A PROPERTY SPECIFIC ANALYSIS, BUT IT WAS OVERALL ECONOMIC BENEFIT OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROJECTS WE'VE DONE, WHETHER IT BE LIGHT TECH, WHICH HAS ALL THE LAYERS OF A, YOU KNOW, A SUBSIDIES AND DEEP AFFORDABILITY, OR THE WORKFORCE PROJECTS, WHICH MIDDLE INCOME, WHICH IS REALLY JUST THE PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION WHERE YOU GET A LIGHTER AFFORDABILITY TO IT, BUT IT ALLOWS US TO PENETRATE MORE HIGH OPPORTUNITY, UNAFFORDABLE AREAS OF DALLAS.

WE HAVE A GENERAL STUDY OF WHAT THOSE BENEFITS ARE THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY SHARE OR HAVE WE WE CAN SHARE IF WE HAVEN'T ALREADY, THOSE BENEFITS THAT COULD BE HELPFUL AND HELP. ASK OR ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS TOO.

OKAY. OKAY. SO I WANT TO JUST SORT OF LEVEL SET.

WE'RE AT 1125. GENERALLY OUR MEETING IS SUPPOSED TO END AT 11.

HOUSING I THINK GENERALLY RUNS A LITTLE LONG ANYHOW.

BUT IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO KEEP YOUR ANSWERS AS SHORT AS POSSIBLE, THAT'D BE APPRECIATED.

WE STILL HAVE THE OTHER HALF OF THE SIDE TO GO.

SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND START WITH MAYOR PRO TEM ON THIS.

THANK YOU. SO I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING OBVIOUSLY THIS ITEM CLOSELY AND IT HAS BEEN A YEAR, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE STAFF AND THIS COUNCIL WANTED TO GET PARTICIPATION AND PARTNERSHIP FROM HFC AND THE PFC. SO WE WERE READY TO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ITEM.

BUT WE SAID LET'S STALL. LET'S MAKE SURE WE GET FEEDBACK.

AND THIS LIST WAS MUCH GREATER. IT WAS MUCH LARGER.

THERE WAS A LOT OF COOPERATION THAT CAME FROM BOTH SIDES AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE AGREED WITH.

I THINK THESE ARE THE ONLY THREE THAT ARE REALLY LEFT PENDING.

AND SO APPLAUD EVERYBODY AROUND WHO'S ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS? THE AND LOOK, I MEAN, I'VE SUPPORTED EVERY HFC AND PFC PROJECT THAT HAS COME THROUGH MY DISTRICT BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE WE ALL KNOW OUR DISTRICTS BETTER.

AND WHEN IT COMES TO GEOGRAPHIC FOCUSES, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LEAVING THAT HEARING MORE FEEDBACK FROM ALL OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT REPRESENT LARGER POVERTY AREAS SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.

WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE PROJECTS THAT WERE DELIVERED 73% IN THE PAST YEAR.

DO WE KNOW WHERE THOSE AMIS HOW MANY UNITS? THE BREAKDOWN BY AMI WE DO.

AND THAT WAS THAT WAS PRODUCED IN LAST YEAR'S ANNUAL REPORT.

I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME TODAY, BUT I CAN ADD THAT TO THE TRAINING MATERIAL OF JUST LIKE A HISTORY OF WHAT THE YEAR OVER YEAR PRODUCTION LOOK LIKE.

SURE. SO IF I RECALL, MOST OF THEM WERE AROUND THE 80% AMI.

AND SO JUST REMIND ME OF OUR. WE'LL CLARIFY THAT.

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SO MAJORITY OF THEM WERE LIGHT TECH PROJECTS THAT WERE COMPLETED IN THE LAST YEAR.

OKAY. YEAH. IF YOU CAN GET THAT TO US, THAT WOULD BE GREAT JUST TO BE REFRESHED ON THAT.

COUNCIL MEMBER. I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THAT ON THE PUBLIC FACILITY CORP. ONE SECOND.

OKAY. I'LL FINISH. THANK YOU. BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ON TARGET WITH THIS COUNCIL'S GOALS.

AND THOSE ARE SERVING RESIDENTS BELOW THE 80% AMI.

SO IF WE'RE THERE, GREAT. I AM A LITTLE CAUTIOUS ABOUT THE YEAR CHECK INS, BECAUSE WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE BOARDS IS THEY REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE THE POLICIES ARE.

AND WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS CHANGE A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN INITIATED WITH ONE APPLICATION, AND THEN PERHAPS WE CHANGE OUR, OUR MODEL AND, YOU KNOW, YEAR TWO AND A PROJECT THAT'S ALREADY IN DEVELOPMENT, UNLESS WE CAN SAY, HEY, THOSE PROJECTS THAT HAVE STARTED GET TO BE COMPLETED UNDER THOSE SAME GUIDANCES, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CHANGING IT UP IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMEONE'S DEVELOPMENT.

THANK YOU. I DON'T THINK WE WOULD WANT TO DO THAT EITHER.

WE WOULD WANT TO IF IT'S BEEN APPROVED, LET'S GET THAT COMPLETED.

MOVE FORWARD. ANY NEW POLICY CHANGE WOULD BE FOR NEW PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD.

I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED AND THAT ARE IN THE PIPELINE PROVIDED NOT JUST TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER THAT REPRESENTS THAT AREA, BUT THE ENTIRE BODY.

BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS? THANK YOU. WHAT HAPPENS IS THOSE PROJECTS COME TO THIS COUNCIL A DAY BEFORE THOSE DEVELOPERS HAVE TO GET THOSE CONTRACTS SIGNED.

AND WE'RE LEFT IN A VERY HARD PREDICAMENT WHERE WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION IN A MATTER OF A COUPLE OF DAYS.

AND SO THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR, FOR ANYBODY. AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO SAY KUDOS TO EVERYONE WHO HAS WORKED TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY BECAUSE WE STARTED WITH A MUCH BIGGER LIST AND NOW WE'RE JUST DOWN TO TO THREE.

SO THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. I AM GOING TO ASK STAFF TO DO A MONTHLY MEMO JUST A BRIEFING MEMO THAT WILL HAVE ALL THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDAS FOR HFC AND PFC ADDRESS, DISTRICT NUMBER OF UNITS, AFFORDABILITY RATES.

AND WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION, WE CAN SKIP THROUGH IT.

WE DON'T NECESSARILY TALK ABOUT EVERYONE THAT WE HAVE THERE, BUT AT LEAST IT'S AVAILABLE FOR ANY MEMBER OR EVEN THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.

AND I THINK THAT WILL PROVIDE SOME OF THE TRANSPARENCY THAT MAYOR PRO TEM IS ASKING FOR.

AND THE NUMBER OF YEARS OF THE TAX ABATEMENT, 75 IS TOO MANY.

THANK YOU. OKAY. ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR QUESTIONS? OKAY. COUNCILOR BAZALDUA, THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M CLEAR ON A COUPLE OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED.

BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE SOME OF THE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE TO US ALREADY.

AND SO WHEN IT COMES TO SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE SPECIFICALLY TO THE GEOGRAPHIC PIECE OF THE POLICY I HAVE CONCERN NOT. I THINK I HAVE OPPOSITE CONCERN OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN.

WE'VE WE'VE HEARD AND WHAT WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS PERPETUATE CONCENTRATION OF, OF POVERTY THAT WE HAVE SEEN.

I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF GUARDRAILS IN POLICY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS NECESSARILY THE ANSWER IN WHAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED.

HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT I WISH WAS BEING RECOMMENDED TO US IS A MORE OBJECTIVE APPROACH TO PROPOSING AND GIVING A GREEN LIGHT TO PROJECTS. IT CAN BE ARTICULATED THAT THESE CHANGES ARE NEEDED BECAUSE OF HOW DEALS WILL PENCIL OUT WHEN THE REALITY IS WE'VE HAD DEALS THAT ABSOLUTELY WOULD PENCIL OUT, BUT WE HAVE THIS FIEFDOM MENTALITY THAT ONE COUNCIL MEMBER WILL SEE SOMETHING UNILATERALLY AND KILL IT BEFORE IT EVER EVEN MAKES ITS WAY TO THIS COMMITTEE AS A BODY TO TO VET OUT. SO I GUESS THE REAL QUESTION THAT WE NEED TO BE ASKING IS, IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE FOR. AND IF WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE FOR OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS IN THE CITY AND UTILIZING THESE TOOLS TO TO, TO TO IMPACT THAT ISSUE WHY WE ARE ALLOWING FOR SUCH A SUBJECTIVE PROCESS

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SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR Y'ALL'S JUST PERSPECTIVE OF THE INTENT OF THE PROPOSAL, BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THE INTENT IS WHAT I SUPPORT. THE THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION ITSELF MAY NOT BE THE ANSWER, AS I'VE SAID, BUT WHAT DO YOU ALL SUGGEST ON OUR ABILITY OR AND OR INABILITY TO EVEN GO THROUGH A VETTING PROCESS? YOU ALL WON'T EVEN SEE A PROJECT IF A TECH PROPOSAL OR LETTER HAS COME TO US AND WE DON'T EVEN AND WE AND WE KILL IT BEFORE IT EVER EVEN COMES TO Y'ALL. SO CAN Y'ALL SPEAK TO THAT AT ALL? AND AND HOW YOU IF YOU ARE OPPOSING THE RECOMMENDATION HOW YOU HOW YOU EXPECT TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF I MEAN, THAT LETTER OF COMPLIANCE THAT WE DID IN 2018 WASN'T JUST OUT OF OUR OWN FREE WILL.

THAT WAS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT PRACTICES IN THIS CITY THAT HAS RESULTED IN THAT MAP THAT WE HAVE IN THIS PRESENTATION.

THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BY ACCIDENT. SO I'M AFRAID THAT THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED ARE GOING TO BE TOO ADVANTAGEOUS TO DEVELOPERS TO MAKE THEIR DEALS PENCIL OUT, AND NOT ADVANTAGEOUS TO THE CITY. NOT SAYING THAT IN A NEGATIVE LIGHT BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE A MEDIUM GROUND, BUT MY ONLY FOCUS IN APPROVING SOME SORT OF POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS IS NOT WHAT IS GOING TO KEEP A PROJECT PROFITABLE FOR A DEVELOPER.

WE HAVE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE CAN MAKE THESE PROJECTS BE BE PROFITABLE WITH.

BUT LET ME JUST START WITH THE DEVELOPER. IF THE DEVELOPER BENEFITS FROM THIS GEOGRAPHIC FOCUS OR NOT, THIS GEOGRAPHIC FOCUS WILL END. AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY GOING FORWARD.

THAT IS THE PERCEPTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. NOW, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, AND WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION BEFORE ABOUT OTHER SUBSIDIES YOU CAN KIND OF LAYER ON THAT'S NOT QUITE AVAILABLE TO THE PFC OR HFC.

YOU NEED AN OUTSIDE ENTITY TO COME AND HELP. THAT'S A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.

BUT THE PFC, THERE IS NO PRACTICAL WAY FOR THE PFC WITH ONLY THE PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION TO GO TO THE MORE DISADVANTAGED AREAS OF DALLAS AND MAKE A DEAL HAPPEN. IT'S PRIVATE CAPITAL THAT GOES INTO IT.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE EQUITY INVESTORS OUT OF NEW YORK, CALIFORNIA OR EVEN DALLAS, TEXAS SAY, I'M GOING TO INVEST IN A HIGH POVERTY AREA.

THAT IS A DIFFICULT SELL FOR THE DEVELOPERS THAT WANT TO DO THESE DEALS.

IT CANNOT WORK. WELL, I WANT TO I WANT TO STOP YOU THERE BECAUSE I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

THAT'S WHERE I FEEL THERE'S A DISCONNECT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT YOU ALL YOU ALL'S PURVIEW DOESN'T NECESSARILY ALLOW FOR YOU TO EXPLORE THESE OTHER FINANCING TOOLS. HOWEVER, KEEPING THEM OUT OF THE CONVERSATION AT THE INITIAL APPROVAL PROCESSES AND VETTING OF THESE STAGES DOESN'T GIVE US A FULL SCOPE OF WHAT COULD AND COULDN'T PENCIL OUT, BECAUSE I GET IT WITH WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU ALL.

I GET THE PERSPECTIVE THAT THIS WOULD HAMSTRING POTENTIAL PROJECTS, IF THAT'S ALL YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

BUT IF THERE'S A DEGREE OF SEPARATION IN A WAY TO INCORPORATE THE OTHER FINANCING TOOLS TO BE CONSIDERED, NOT THAT YOU ALL HAVE THE JURISDICTION OR PURVIEW TO APPROVE THEM, BUT TO KNOW THAT THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED IN A FINANCING STACK OF A DEAL.

AND IN TERMS OF OUR TECH DEALS, WHICH AGAIN, HAS TAX CREDITS THAT ARE AWARDED BY HCA AND, YOU KNOW, TAX EXEMPT BONDS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, PROVIDED BY THE TEXAS BOND REVIEW BOARD AND THEN APPROVALS FOR TAX EXEMPTION THROUGH LOCAL JURISDICTIONS. THEN YOU START LAYERING LAYERING ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT ECHO DEV.

ANOTHER DEPARTMENT HERE, ANOTHER SOURCE HERE.

THESE DEALS IN AND OF THEMSELVES ARE VERY COMPLICATED TO GET DONE.

YOU START LAYERING IN DIFFERENT SUBSIDIES. I MEAN, THAT IS A BROAD DISCUSSION THAT'S ALMOST EVEN BEYOND OUR PURVIEW.

SO THAT'S ONE THING TO ADDRESS NOW IN TERMS OF HOW THESE DEALS GET VETTED.

YEAH, IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF A LOOSE PROCESS FOR DEVELOPERS.

MAYBE THEY KNOW TO GO TO THE COUNCIL PERSON FIRST BEFORE IT GOES TO US, OR THEY GO TO AARON BECAUSE THEY KNOW AARON SO WELL, OR A BOARD MEMBER. I MEAN, MARCY AND I HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY DEALS BEFORE ANYBODY HAS HEARD OF IT.

SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT JUST KIND OF A MAYBE A PROCESS THAT DOESN'T LEAVE ANYTHING OFF THE TABLE ON THE TABLE DEALS THAT MAYBE BECAUSE IT WENT TO THE WRONG PERSON FIRST, IS THAT IS THAT WHAT KIND OF YOU KIND OF ARE PUTTING IN? I THINK THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES, RIGHT? ONE IS, YES, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR BODY,

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THAT'S ONE. BUT THEN ASIDE FROM THAT, I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A BETTER STRUCTURE IN PLACE SO THAT THERE CAN'T BE THIS UNILATERAL DECISION FROM A COUNCIL MEMBER IN THIS FIEFDOM MENTALITY THAT I'M NOT GOING TO EVEN ALLOW FOR THIS PROJECT TO COME BEFORE THE BODY TO SEE THE VIABILITY.

WE HAVE GREAT COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY ABOUT THAT TAX BASE INCOME IMPACT, AND WHAT THAT WOULD DO TO THE POTENTIAL ECONOMIC GROWTH OF THE AREA.

THOSE ARE CONVERSATIONS CITYWIDE THAT WE SHOULD BE TAKING UP.

AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE BOND FUNDS. THIS IS A CITYWIDE ISSUE.

AND SO IF WE ARE LOOKING AT THE TURNING DOWN OF A PROJECT THAT IS GREAT FOR AN AREA THAT WOULD INCREASE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, BUT IT'S JUST NOT EVEN GOING TO GET BEFORE US TO WEIGH OUT.

WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. YEAH. COUNCILMAN, I'LL SPEAK TO THAT.

THAT VERY ISSUE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION, OUR TOOL IS QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE THE HFC.

FIRST AND FOREMOST IT'S NOT GOING TO COME TO US IF IT DOESN'T MEET STATUTE.

SO SECTION 303 CLEARLY REQUIRES SOME A FIRST STEP, IF YOU WILL, ON THE BENEFIT THAT ACCRUES TO THE MUNICIPALITY AND TO THE PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION. SO THAT'S, THE FIRST THING.

THERE'S A RENT SAVINGS THAT HAS TO HAPPEN. SECONDLY, YOU ASK ABOUT THE THE POLICY AND I WOULD SAY YES, THAT THAT CERTAINLY SETTING POLICY AND HAVING A GUIDANCE IS REALLY HELPFUL.

WE'VE, WE'VE HAD THAT PRIMARILY THROUGH STATUTE.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE PFC HAS DONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS, HAS CREATED AN RFP FOR THAT WOULD INCLUDE OTHER DOLLARS AND ALLOW US TO DO DEEPER AFFORDABILITY.

THE WAY THESE, THESE PARTNERSHIPS ARE STRUCTURED CURRENTLY, WE DON'T PUT GRANTED, THERE'S A FUTURE TAX ABATEMENT.

BUT BEYOND THE TAX ABATEMENT, THERE ARE NO HARD DOLLARS GOING INTO THE PROJECTS.

AND SO BY ADDING SOME OF THOSE HARD DOLLARS, WE CAN GO TO DEEPER AFFORDABILITY.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THESE CONVERSATIONS IS HOW CAN WE DO THAT.

AND SO WE WROTE AN RFQ FOR THAT. AND LET ME JUST SAY THAT AS THE GOVERNANCE PIECE, WERE YOU GOING TO SPEAK? NO, THE GOVERNANCE PIECE. THAT'S WHY I WOULD I WOULD DISAGREE WITH WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS.

I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH EX OFFICIO MEMBERS ON.

I THINK THAT IT'S REALLY NEEDED IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO ELIMINATE THE DEGREE OF SEPARATION WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE OTHER FINANCING TOOLS.

EXECUTIVE SESSION IS MEANT TO HELP US BE ABLE TO TALK FREELY ABOUT THINGS THAT SHOULDN'T BE IN THE PUBLIC.

I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY REASON WHY THE PFC OR THE HFC WOULD FEEL THAT THERE'S A NEED TO KEEP THE CITY OF DALLAS AS A PARTNER AWAY FROM THESE CONVERSATIONS. SO I'D REALLY LIKE YOU TO ARTICULATE WHY THAT WHY THAT'S AN ISSUE.

I WILL, OR AT LEAST THIS IS I'M JUST GOING TO ASK YOU IF YOU COULD PLEASE GIVE THE SHORTEST UNDERSTOOD POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU. OWNING REAL ESTATE IS WHAT WE DO. WE TAKE TITLE TO IT.

SO. AND WE OWN APARTMENTS AND IT CAN BE A TOUGH.

AND WE DEVELOP APARTMENTS AND WE ACQUIRE APARTMENTS THAT CAN BE TOUGH.

THINGS HAPPEN AT THESE PROPERTIES THAT, YOU KNOW, PUT US IN SITUATIONS OR NOT IN ADVERSARIAL BUT ADVERSE SITUATIONS WITH DIFFERENT CITY DEPARTMENTS, POLICE, FIRE, ZONING, PERMITTING.

A NUMBER OF THINGS COULD HAPPEN WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET ADVICE FROM OUR COUNSEL ON HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT.

WE SIMPLY CANNOT HAVE A CITY STAFFER LISTENING IN TO OUR LEGAL ADVICE, SOMEONE THAT'S EMPLOYED BY THE CITY MANAGER THAT'S OVER THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS OF WHAT WE'RE GETTING ADVISED ON. THERE'S ISSUES WITH CONFLICT.

THERE'S ISSUES WITH CONFIDENTIALITY. IT JUST I'M CERTAINLY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT THAT CONFLICTS OF INTEREST ARE ARE ALREADY OUTLINED AND GIVE YOU THE TOOLS SO THAT IF THERE IS IN FACT A CONFLICT WITH LEGAL ADVICE SPECIFICALLY THAT YOU WOULD NOT HAVE ANY MEMBER THAT WOULD HAVE A CONFLICT IN THERE, BUT TO TO ALIENATE BLANKETED WHO YOU'RE WHO YOU'RE WHO YOU'RE A PARTNER WITH.

WHO? A LOT OF THESE DEALS JUST AS OUT OF YOUR MOUTH.

WOULD NOT PENCIL OUT WITHOUT US BEING AT THE TABLE AS A PARTNER TO ME IS VERY SUSPICIOUS.

I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH THAT NOTION, AND ESPECIALLY AS AN EX OFFICIO POSITION, I THINK THEY'RE BOUND TO THE SAME CONFIDENTIALITY IN BEING ON YOUR BOARD AND FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY. SO I'M, I'M, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WELL, YEAH, IT MAY PUT THE ACTUAL CITY, THE CITY STAFF ARE IN A HORRIBLE POSITION.

I MEAN, IF IT'S A PUBLIC DEAL WHERE THERE'S A DESIRE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR BOARDROOM, I MEAN, THERE COULD BE PRESSURE PUT UPON OTHER CITY STAFFERS ON THAT EX OFFICIO BOARD MEMBER.

[02:20:03]

WE I MEAN, IT IS DISCUSSION, LEGAL ADVICE. COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA.

YOU AND I ACTUALLY TOTALLY AGREE ON THIS. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE SECOND THING YOU'VE SAID TODAY THAT I AGREE WITH THAT I WILL ALSO BE COMMENTING ON.

BUT WITH THAT, IS IT ALL RIGHT IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO COUNCIL MEMBER WEST? BECAUSE I AS WELL HAVE QUESTIONS AND I AM TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE END BY NOON.

IS THAT RIGHT? YES. THANK YOU. I JUST I WILL SAY I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE HOLD THIS AT COMMITTEE LEVEL UNTIL THERE IS AN ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS COMMITTEE TO COUNCIL. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING WHEN WE STARTED THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY COMING BACK TO THE NOVEMBER HOUSING COMMITTEE MEETING, WHICH IS BEFORE, WHEN IT'S EVEN SCHEDULED TO GO TO COUNCIL.

I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID THE NOTICES, AND IT TO ACTUALLY MAKE IT TO THE AGENDA FOR US TO HAVE TO REMAND, BECAUSE CLEARLY WITH THIS CONVERSATION, WE'RE NOT READY TO TAKE A VOTE IN NOVEMBER, EVEN ON OUR COUNCIL AGENDA.

SO WHAT I'M WHAT I'VE TALKED WITH THE ATTORNEYS AND SINCE IT'S ALREADY LISTED AS THAT, IT'S GOING TO BE ON OUR NOVEMBER AGENDA WITHOUT A MOTION FOR US TO JUST HOLD IT.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION. OKAY.

THERE'S A MOTION A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER WEST.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO THANK YOU? I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF, CHAIR.

A LOT OF QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE BY STAFF AND THE CORPORATIONS, AND I APPRECIATE THE CHAIR MAKING THIS A PRIORITY AS WELL.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK A CHEER STEWART I WROTE HER COMMENT DOWN BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS IT WAS IT RESONATED WITH ME THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR BALANCE HERE WITH WITH REGULATION, BUT ALSO NEED FLEXIBILITY.

I DO WANT TO POINT OUT TO EVERYBODY INVOLVED HERE THAT ALL PROJECTS SEEKING CITY SUBSIDIES ALREADY GO THROUGH A FAIR HOUSING REVIEW, SO THAT REVIEW IS ALREADY THERE. WE ALSO I DISAGREE THAT THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT IS THE GUARDIAN.

I THINK THEY ARE SHARE THAT RESPONSIBILITY WITH OUR APPOINTED REPRESENTATIVES ON THE BOARDS WHO ARE UP HERE AND PROBABLY WATCHING TODAY AND WITH CITY COUNCIL.

AND SO WE ALL HAVE A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY FOR THESE PROGRAMS. I'VE REALLY BEEN STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND WHY HOUSING STAFF HAS BEEN PUSHING SO AGGRESSIVELY FOR THESE BYLAW CHANGES FOR THE LAST YEAR. I'VE I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY SUPPORT FROM OUR PFC MEMBERS, CERTAINLY NOT THE ONES I APPOINTED.

I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY SUPPORT FROM HFC. I'VE SEEN NO SUPPORT FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.

I HAVEN'T HAD A SINGLE PERSON CALL ME AND SAY THESE CHANGES ARE NEEDED.

SO I JUST DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS AGGRESSIVE UPHILL PUSH BY CITY STAFF IS.

I LOOK AT THE PRODUCTION DATA AND I PULLED THIS FROM OUR OWN HOUSING PROJECT LIST.

SO THIS IS THE LAST ONE PUBLISHED 2023 TO 24.

OUR TOTAL UNITS PRODUCED BY THE HFC IN THAT PERIOD WAS A 1652 FOR THAT YEAR.

THE PFC, WHICH IS STILL KIND OF GETTING GOING, WAS 958 FOR THAT YEAR.

OUR MIXED INCOME HOUSING DENSITY BONUS WHICH IS NOW MANAGED BY PLANNING DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, WAS 1891 FOR THAT YEAR, LEAVING THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT'S NUMBERS.

I SEE NOFA AT 144 UNITS. SO WHAT IS THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT DOING? I MEAN OUR WHERE THE WHERE THE UNITS COMING FROM FROM THE ACTUAL HOUSING DEPARTMENT.

THAT'S MY QUESTION. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO OUR BUDGET FOR FEDERALLY FUNDED UNITS IS RIGHT AROUND THAT $3 MILLION MARK FROM CDBG. SO OUR OUR INVESTMENT FROM THE FEDERAL DOLLARS IS PRETTY MINIMAL.

AND THAT'S IN PROJECTS THAT ARE SPREAD ACROSS THE CITY.

NOW, WE'VE HAD HAD SOME RECENT ARPA DOLLARS IN CDBG AND SOME NEW BOND MONEY THAT YOU'LL START TO SEE COME ONLINE.

BUT THEY'RE ALL EARLY IN THAT PIPELINE OF BEING APPROVED AND WORKING THROUGH CLOSINGS TO GET UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITH THE DOLLARS WE'VE INVESTED.

THE NUMBERS FROM LAST YEAR THROUGH PFC AND HFC, THOSE PROJECTS WERE APPROVED A YEAR OR TWO THREE YEARS AGO AND WERE ALL COMPLETED LAST YEAR. SO THEY THAT REPORT LAST YEAR DOESN'T SHOW THE TOTAL UNITS APPROVED BY COUNCIL.

IT SHOWS TOTAL THAT CAME ONLINE WITHIN THE YEAR.

AND EVERY YEAR THAT NUMBER WILL FLUCTUATE BASED ON THAT PIPELINE OF HOW MANY UNITS ARE COMPLETED, GET THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS, GET THEIR FUNDING PERMITS, CONSTRUCTION.

SO IT'S IT'LL GO UP AND DOWN OVER THE YEARS. LAST YEAR WAS A TREMENDOUS YEAR FOR THE CORPORATIONS AND COMPLETED UNITS.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, CAN YOU TELL ME MAYBE THIS IS FOR AARON OR THE CHAIRS CAN ANSWER IF THEY KNOW THIS.

HOW MANY STAFF MEMBERS DO YOU HAVE IN THE HFC? YOU HAVE TWO STAFF MEMBERS. OH, YOU HAVE TWO STAFF MEMBERS FOR THE HFC.

[02:25:03]

AND WE SHARE AARON. AND ACCORDING TO THE THE LAST BUDGET 75 INDIVIDUALS WERE COMBINED IN THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. NOW 15 OF WHICH CAME OVER FROM HOUSING.

SO WE HAVE 15 HOUSING DEPARTMENT MEMBERS VERSUS TWO IN EACH OF THE CORPORATIONS.

BUT YET WE'RE ONLY PRODUCING, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN 200 UNITS.

THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME BECAUSE THAT IS A THAT IS AN INEFFICIENT PROCESS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR OWN CITY DEPARTMENT.

AND NOW I SEE THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT ON SLIDE 13 SAYING WE'RE HOPING TO USE REVENUES FROM THE CORPORATION TO PAY FOR ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS FOR OUR HOUSING DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES. SO I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHERE THIS PUSH IS COMING FROM, OTHER THAN POTENTIALLY BEING A GRAB TO DIP INTO THE THE REVENUES FROM THE CORPORATION TO PAY FOR CITY EXPENSES, WHICH I THINK IS MALFEASANCE AT WORST, IRRESPONSIBLE AT BEST. WHEN WE HAVE A DESPERATE NEED FOR MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CITY.

SO HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT? THANK YOU. SO THE PROGRAM STATEMENTS CODIFY EXISTING PRACTICES.

SO WHEN AARON AND JACKIE AND SAM WERE IN THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT, THE CORPORATIONS PAID FOR THEIR STAFF TO PERFORM THEIR DUTIES AS STAFF MEMBERS.

THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES STAFF TO PREPARE EACH OF THESE AGENDA ITEMS FOR BRIEFING AND THEN COUNCIL ITEMS ISN'T COVERED BY FEDERAL FUNDS.

IT ISN'T COVERED FROM ANY OTHER PROJECT FUNDS. IT'S COVERED THROUGH THE CORPORATIONS BECAUSE IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION OF THE CORPORATIONS TO HAVE CITY STAFF PERFORM THOSE DUTIES. SO THAT CODIFIES THAT THE HOUSING STAFF, MAJORITY OF THEM, ARE ON THE COMPLIANCE TEAM.

WE HAVE A PORTFOLIO OF ALL OF THE HOUSING PROJECTS FOR THE PAST YEARS, AND WE DO LONG TERM COMPLIANCE.

SO MOST OF OUR STAFF IS WORKING ON ON SITE MONITORING, RISK REVIEWS OF THE ENTIRE PORTFOLIO OF PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDERWAY.

OUR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT STAFF THERE ARE FIVE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW, AND THEY TAKE ON ALL OF THE WORK THAT WE HAVE COMING IN FROM ALL OF THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE STUFF, THE OUTSOURCING OF OUR PROGRAMS, ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT WORK ON CITY STAFF FOR CLOSING.

SO THEY WORK IN CONCERT WITH OUR ATTORNEYS AND OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO MOVE ALL THOSE PROJECTS FORWARD.

SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF UNITS THAT WE PRODUCE YEARLY LAST YEAR WITH OUR WORK AND WHAT WE GOT TO BE DOING, WE HAVE TO DO BETTER. WE ARE WORKING ON MORE EFFICIENT SYSTEMS. WE'RE WORKING ON OUTSOURCING. BUT TO SAY THAT HOUSING STAFF IS NOT DOING THEIR DUTIES WHEN MOST OF THEIR DUTIES IS LONG TERM COMPLIANCE IS NEEDS TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED.

WELL, I APPRECIATE THE COMPLIANCE PIECE. I DO AGREE THAT IT'S NEEDED.

I JUST WORRY ABOUT DIPPING INTO OUR PROGRAMS THAT ARE WORKING TO PAY FOR OTHER ISSUES IN THE CITY, EVEN IF THEY ARE TANGENTIALLY RELATED. SO I MEAN, I'VE NOTED DOWN I THINK THERE'S THERE'S THE THREE SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES LEFT.

AFT. THE MAIN ONE THAT I DID A MEMO ABOUT IS ON THE RECAP AREAS AND THE 20% POVERTY THRESHOLD, BUT I HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE OTHER TWO AS WELL.

THE EX OFFICIO VERSUS THE APPOINTED MEMBER. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WITH THE USE OF FUNDS FOR HOUSING DEPARTMENT COSTS.

SO FOR THAT REASON, I DO SUPPORT THE MOTION. AND I MEAN, I'M NOT I DON'T THINK YOU'RE ON THE COMMITTEE.

I JUST I JUST WANT TO OPINE THAT I SUPPORT IT AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS DISCUSSION CONTINUE.

THANK YOU. WELL. THANK YOU. I, I WILL SAY THAT THERE WAS AN INTERESTING EXCHANGE ABOUT THE CHARGE THAT PERHAPS NOT ENOUGH HOUSING HAS BEEN BUILT, BUT IN FACT, DFW HAS BEEN ON FIRE LEADING THE NATION IN BUILDING UNITS.

AND SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE FORECAST A BRIEFING TO BE ABLE TO SHARE WHAT'S HAPPENING BOTH IN THE CITY LIMITS AS WELL AS IN OUR AREA.

SINCE THEY AFFECT ALL OF US. I WANT TO SAY THAT THE MAP'S GOING TO ALWAYS LOOK SKEWED BECAUSE OF THE WAY OUR CITY HAS DEVELOPED. MEANING THERE'S GOING TO BE LESS ITEMS IN SUPER FAR NORTH DALLAS BECAUSE THERE'S NO LAND AVAILABLE.

EVERYTHING IS BUILT. SO IN AREAS THAT HAVE OPEN LAND, WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE MORE INTEREST THAN IN DOING DEVELOPMENT.

THERE'S BEEN A VERY INTERESTING EXCHANGE ABOUT A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO WEIGH IN, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION.

FIRST OF ALL, I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'VE BROUGHT THESE FORWARD.

AND WE NEED TO HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY. WE NEED TO HAVE ALIGNMENT OF OUR GOALS AND THE VERY POWERFUL TOOL OF A TAX ABATEMENT.

AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THOSE AND WE DON'T HAVE PROPER OVERSIGHT, THEN WE ARE AT RISK FOR GOING SIDEWAYS ON HOUSING, BOTH IN TERMS OF PRODUCTION AND IN TERMS OF REGULATORY COMPLIANCE, SO IT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

[02:30:07]

AND SO I'M WORKING ON TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT FULL SPECTRUM, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE TOTAL YEAR IS AND HOW THE SERVICES CONNECT, VERSUS HOW MANY UNHOUSED PEOPLE WE MIGHT DEAL WITH ON AN AVERAGE DAY.

I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT NUMBER FOR US TO ASK.

THE NUMBER REALLY ISN'T GOING TO COME FROM HOUSING FOR IT. IT'S GOING TO COME FROM THE HUD EXCHANGE. AND I HAVEN'T CHECKED THAT NUMBER IN PROBABLY TWO YEARS, BUT THE LAST TIME I DID IT WAS OVER 10,000 IN DALLAS.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING FOR THAT.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN AWAY FROM IS REALLY FOCUSING ON THE 60% AND BELOW AMI, AND THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT I THINK TAX DOLLARS NEED TO HELP SUPPORT, ESPECIALLY ON THE HFC SIDE.

AND THE PFC SIDE, I THINK HAS A DIFFERENT ROLE.

AND THAT'S WHY YOUR DIFFERENT CORPORATIONS, AND ESPECIALLY IN AREAS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR MARKET RATE LIKE THIS, IS AN URGENT NEED. I'M HOPING THE PFC IS GOING TO BE VERY AGGRESSIVE IN AREAS WHERE WE ABSOLUTELY NEED MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I'M HOPING THAT HFC IS GOING TO BE MORE AGGRESSIVE, BUT WE CAN'T SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TOOLS BECAUSE THAT TAX ABATEMENT IS INCREDIBLY, INCREDIBLY POWERFUL AND ESPECIALLY THE VERY EXTENDED LENGTH OF TIME THAT IS BEING PROPOSED.

AND GIVEN THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT OVERSIGHT, THAT, WELL, EVERYTHING COMES TO THE COUNCIL.

BUT IN MY RECOLLECTION, IN SIX AND A HALF YEARS, THE COUNCIL HAS NOT ONCE TURNED DOWN A SINGLE DEAL.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, YES.

SO THAT MAKES ME QUESTION THE AMOUNT OF OVERSIGHT.

AND I'LL TELL YOU, THERE'S AN AGENDA ITEM THAT BEFORE WE BREAK, I WANT TO BRING UP.

BECAUSE IF WE DON'T TURN THIS ONE DOWN, THEN THERE IS NO OVERSIGHT.

AND PERHAPS I'LL JUST HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT TOMORROW.

JUST GIVEN THAT IT'S 1155 THE AFFORDABILITY GOALS REALLY NEED TO BE CONCENTRATED ON THAT LOWER SIDE, IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE THERE IS NO CAPACITY FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS TO REMAIN HOUSED WITHOUT IT.

AND SO IT REALLY, REALLY NEEDS TO BE OUR FOCUS.

THE BOARD MAY NOT HAVE THE SAME PERSPECTIVE AS THE COUNCIL.

YOU ALREADY ARE INVESTING AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME.

BUT IF YOU SAT AND LISTENED TO ALL THESE COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND ALL THESE COUNCIL MEETINGS, YOU MIGHT HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.

PERHAPS YOU DO, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY I WOULD ACTUALLY BE INTERESTED IN MORE ABILITY FOR THE COUNCIL TO WEIGH IN BEFORE IT BECOMES A VOTE.

AND SO THE ONE THING I WILL SAY I DISAGREE WITH IS THIS WE HAVE TO THINK THROUGH.

IS THERE A GATEKEEPER? AND I THINK SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO BE A GATEKEEPER.

LIKE THIS PROJECT DOES NOT FIT MY DISTRICT. I DO NOT WANT IT TO GO FORWARD.

OR DO WE SAY THIS IS A VERY BAD IDEA AND WE HAVE TO BE THINKING CITYWIDE? BUT NOT ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS KNOW ALL THE DISTRICTS, AND YOU HAVEN'T EVER HEARD US SAY THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

AND I DO THINK WE HAVE TO COME TO SOME SORT OF CONSENSUS ON THAT.

I'LL SAY THERE HAD BEEN A POSSIBLE PROJECT AND THEY WERE SAYING IT WAS TRANSIT ORIENTED DESIGN BECAUSE IT BACKED UP TO THE SILVER LINE, BUT IT WOULD TAKE MORE THAN TWO AND A HALF MILES TO ACTUALLY GET TO A STATION.

IT WAS NOT A TRANSIT ORIENTED DESIGN, BUT YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT IT AS IF IT WAS, AND THAT WAS BONUS POINTS FOR THAT.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT SOMETIMES YOU DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW THE WHOLE STORY OF THINGS.

I DEFINITELY THINK WE NEED TO HAVE STAFF, NOT JUST AS EX OFFICIO, BUT WHY WOULDN'T THAT OUR STAFF MEMBER BE A VOTING MEMBER? AND I THINK THAT REALLY SHOULD BE A CONSIDERATION.

THIS IS AN IMPORTANT VOICE AND FRANKLY, IS THE PERSON WHO HAS TO LISTEN TO ALL THESE COUNCIL MEETINGS.

AND UNDERSTAND THIS IS PART OF THE ACCOUNTABILITY SIDE.

THE USE OF REVENUE IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE GIVEN YOU DIRECTION ON THAT.

I ACTUALLY AM CONCERNED THAT AN UNELECTED GROUP OF PEOPLE WOULD HAVE SUCH A LARGE BANK ACCOUNT TO USE DOLLARS WITHOUT COUNCIL DIRECTION.

[02:35:08]

I DEFINITELY THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT. THE, THE ITEM THAT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA ABOUT IS THAT WE CAN'T HAVE THESE PROGRAMS BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO THE DEVELOPERS AND NOT TO THE CITY, AND THE 1 TO 1 RATIO OF, WELL, WE SAVE THIS PERSON.

$500 MAY NOT BE THE WORTH. THE $500 OF EXEMPTION.

WE MIGHT NEED THAT PROPERTY TAX REVENUE. SO THAT MIGHT NOT BE A 1 TO 1 FORMULA.

AND WE'VE NEVER TALKED ABOUT THAT. OKAY. I WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS.

THE RENTAL HOUSING SHORTAGE THAT YOU HAVE ON PAGE 38, YOU'RE SAYING APPROXIMATELY 39,900 ARE EARNING THAT.

THAT'S THE SHORTAGE THAT WE HAVE FOR 50% AMI OR LESS.

THAT'S ACCORDING TO THE DATA. YES. IT TELLS US THAT THAT MANY HOUSEHOLDS ARE EXTREMELY HOUSING COST BURDENED AND RIGHT NOW NOT ON THEIR OWN UNITS.

SO THEY'RE DOUBLING UP. THEY STAY AT HOME LONGER, A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT SITUATIONS.

BUT THERE'S THAT MANY HOUSING UNIT FAMILIES THAT SHOULD BE RENTING THEIR OWN, BUT CAN ONLY AFFORD 50% OR LESS ON RENT.

BEFORE YOU LEAVE, I WANT YOU TO HEAR THIS. SO PAGE 42, YOU HAVE THE TOTAL PROPERTY VALUE FOR BOTH HFC AND PFC.

IF YOU MULTIPLY THAT TIMES OUR TAX RATE, WE ARE GIVING UP 2.2 MILLION A YEAR FORGONE.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW IMPORTANT YOU THINK $2.2 MILLION IS, BUT WE STARTED FIGHTING OVER $20,000 IN OUR BUDGET.

SO THIS IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT NUMBER AND SOMETHING THAT IS WHY WE HAVE TO BE SO THOUGHTFUL WITH THIS.

I'M NOT SAYING WE REVAMP THE PROGRAM EVERY YEAR.

I WOULD NEVER WANT TO DO THAT. BUT HAVING A YEARLY CHECK IN ACTUALLY SEEMS LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO ME.

SO I WILL BE PUTTING THAT ON THE AGENDA. THE HIRING AND FIRING OF YOUR STAFF.

AGAIN, THESE ARE APPOINTED VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE HIRING AND FIRING, FRANKLY, HIRING AWAY OUR STAFF.

I, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE MORE OVERSIGHT IN THIS.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL ITEMS IN HERE.

IT'S NOW 12:00, SO I'M GOING TO PAUSE. I'LL PROBABLY SEND THEM OUT AS A MEMO AND ASK ANYBODY WHO HAS MORE THOUGHTS.

NOW THAT WE'VE HEARD EACH OTHER'S QUESTIONS THAT WE'LL PUT TOGETHER A MEMO FOR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER BACK AS MAYBE A FRIDAY MEMO, AND THEN WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT AGAIN.

THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WITH THAT FOLKS ITEM ME. YES.

THIS IS A DIFFERENT ITEM. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE GOING TO I AM GOING TO GO TO A DIFFERENT ITEM. YES. SO THE NEXT ITEM I WANT TO GO TO.

ACTUALLY LET'S JUST SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC ITEMS. OKAY. THIS IS ON ITEM E. IT'S ABOUT HOUSING AND HOMELESS ASSISTANCE FOR YOUTH AND ADULTS 24 YEARS OF AGE AND YOUNGER.

AND I WAS GOING TO ASK STAFF, WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO THIS RIGHT NOW ABOUT THE SCORING CRITERIA, BECAUSE I SEE THAT THE PROJECTED OUTCOMES FOR THE WINNING BID ARE ACTUALLY LOWER THAN WHAT WAS OUTLINED FROM OUR HISTORICAL PARTNER.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO WANT TO DIG INTO THAT A LITTLE MORE BEFORE THIS COMES FOR COUNCIL VOTE ON NOVEMBER 12TH.

WE'RE GOING TO BRING THIS ITEM BACK. I HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS AS WELL, INCLUDING THAT WE WOULD ONLY HAVE FIVE CLIENTS SERVED MONTHLY.

SEEMS VERY ALARMING. SO YEAH, WE'LL JUST HOLD THAT ENTIRE ITEM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE DO HAVE A COUNCIL ITEM TOMORROW FOR A VERY DIFFICULT PROJECT, I THINK. BUT I'LL JUST HOLD THOSE COMMENTS FOR TOMORROW.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHERS THAT THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY? NO.

OKAY. SORRY IT WAS SUCH A LONG MEETING. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO EMAIL US.

WE ARE GETTING YOUR EMAILS. IT IS NOW 202 AND THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.