* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] ALRIGHT. GOOD MORNING [BRIEFINGS] EVERYONE. IT IS 9:04 AM ON, UH, OCTOBER 23RD, 2025. THIS IS THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLANNING COMMISSION. UH, MS. LOPEZ, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO START WITH A QUICK ROLL CALL. GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SIMS HERE, DISTRICT TWO. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. DISTRICT THREE. COMMISSIONER, VICE CHAIR. HERBERT PRESENT, DISTRICT FOUR. COMMISSIONER FORSYTH. HERE. DISTRICT FIVE. COMMISSIONER SERRATO. DISTRICT SIX. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. PRESENT. DISTRICT SEVEN. COMMISSIONER WHEELER REAGAN. DISTRICT EIGHT. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN? YES, MA'AM. PRESENT? DISTRICT NINE. DISTRICT NINE. COMMISSIONER KUNZ. PRESENT. DISTRICT 10. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. HERE. DISTRICT 11. COMMISSIONER COX. PRESENT. DISTRICT 12. COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN. HERE. DISTRICT 13. COMMISSIONER HALL HERE. DISTRICT 14. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON HERE AND PLACE 15 CHAIR RUBIN. I'M HERE. YOU HAVE QUORUM, SIR. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, MS. LOPEZ, I JUST WANTED TO START OFF WITH SOME, UH, QUICK REMARKS SINCE THIS IS MY FIRST MEETING OFFICIALLY AS CHAIR OF THE CPC AND LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW EXCITED I AM TO SERVE WITH ALL OF YOU AND WORK ALONGSIDE YOU FOR THE 2025 TO 2027 TERM. UM, I KNOW I HAVE REALLY BIG SHOES TO FILL AND I HOPE THAT I CAN LIVE UP TO THE EXAMPLE THAT FORMER CHAIR SHOULD HAD SET. I REALLY WANNA FOCUS ON THREE THINGS DURING MY TIME IN THIS CIST CHAIR, THEIR INTEGRITY, EFFICIENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS. UM, STARTING WITH INTEGRITY. I WANT EVERYONE WHO PARTICIPATES IN THIS PROCESS, WHETHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPLICANT STAFF AND, AND ALL OF YOU TO FEEL LIKE CPC HAS THE UTMOST INTEGRITY. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO AGREE ON THE OUTCOMES OF WHAT HAPPENS AT THE HORSESHOE, BUT I WANT EVERYONE TO FEEL LIKE THEY HAD A FAIR PROCESS AND A PROCESS WITH INTEGRITY. AND TO THAT END, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE, YOU KNOW, FROM TIME TO TIME TAKES THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRUSH UP WITH CHAPTER 12 A OF THE CITY ETHICS CODE. IT'S WORTH AN ANNUAL READ. I WOULD SAY, UM, ON THE EFFICIENCY FRONT, I WAS REALLY PLEASED TO SEE THAT OUR RECENT RULES CHANGES REALLY SPED UP OUR MEETINGS. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NEW, UM, WE WOULD HAVE MEETINGS ROUTINELY THAT WOULD GO WELL PAST DARK SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, PAST EIGHT OR NINE AT NIGHT, UM, WHICH IS REALLY LATE. AND I WANNA CONTINUE TO BUILD ON THOSE RULE CHANGES TO TRY AND FIND POINTS WHERE WE CAN MAKE OUR WAYS, OUR MEETINGS MORE EFFICIENT. AND IF ANYONE DOES HAVE SUGGESTIONS THERE, YOU KNOW, I AM ALL EARS ABOUT THAT. UM, AND TO THE END OF EFFICIENCY, IT'S JUST SUPER IMPORTANT THAT EVERYONE CAREFULLY READS THE DOCKET THAT WE GET EACH WEEK IN ADVANCE OF OUR MEETINGS. AND IF YOU DO, I KNOW IT'S A LONG DOCKET, THE MORE EXPERIENCE YOU GET WITH THAT, UM, THE QUICKER READ IT, IT IS, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER IT TAKING MANY, MANY HOURS FOR THE FIRST FEW MONTHS THAT I WAS ON CPC, BUT AS YOU GET FAMILIAR WITH IT, IT BECOMES A, A MORE EFFICIENT READ. BUT IT'S CER CERTAINLY, UM, SOME WORK THE WEEKEND OR DAYS BEFORE OUR CPC MEETINGS. AND IF YOU DO HAVE A CASE IN YOUR DISTRICT, I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU HAVE WORKED YOUR CASE IN ADVANCE, UM, ENGAGED WITH THE APPLICANT AND THE COMMUNITY BEFORE THE CASE HITS THIS HORSESHOE. WHILE THE CAKE IS NEVER BAKED UNTIL WE ACTUALLY DISPOSE OF IT HERE WITH A MOTION. UM, AND OF COURSE WE RECEIVE VALUABLE PUBLIC COMMENT BOTH OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING AND AT THE MEETING ITSELF. UM, I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU COME WITH A FRAMEWORK OF A MOTION READY TO GO, UM, ON ANY OF YOUR CASES. AND CITY STAFF, WHETHER IT'S THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR THE PLANNERS ASSIGNED TO YOUR INDIVIDUAL CASE, CAN CERTAINLY HELP YOU WITH THAT IF YOU INTEND TO MAKE A MOTION THAT DIFFERS FROM WHAT STAFF OR THE APPLICANT IS, UM, RECOMMENDING. FINALLY, ON EFFECTIVENESS, I THINK TO DO THIS JOB WELL, YOU HAVE TO BE OR BECOME A LITTLE BIT OF A PLANNING AND ZONING NERD. UM, BE READY TO BUST OPEN THAT CODE BOOK, OR I GUESS IT LIVES ONLINE FOR MOST OF IT, BUT THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CENTRAL TO WHAT WE DO, UNDERSTANDING AND BEING ABLE TO WORK THROUGH THAT, UM, DEVELOPMENT CODE CHAPTER 51 A. UM, AND I ALSO DO WANNA SUPPLEMENT OUR, YOU KNOW, REGULAR BRIEFINGS ON INDIVIDUAL CASES WITH, UM, BRIEFINGS ON IMPORTANT TOPICS, WHETHER THEY'RE, UM, NEW AND UPCOMING SORT OF HOT BUTTON ISSUES THAT WE'RE SEEING IN LIGHT OF CHANGING STATE LAW AND OTHER THINGS, OR JUST SORT OF, YOU KNOW, BACKGROUND [00:05:02] BRIEFINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ON ISSUES THAT WE WILL DEAL WITH FROM TIME TO TIME. AND IT'S GOOD FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE A REFRESHER ON. SO WITH THAT SAID, I'M, I'M SUPER HAPPY TO WORK WITH EVERYONE FOR THIS UPCOMING TWO YEAR TERM. I ALWAYS WANNA BE AVAILABLE TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU AS A RESOURCE AND AM VERY EXCITED. UM, WITH THAT SAID, WE WILL START OUR BRIEFING THIS MORNING. TYPICALLY WE BRIEF ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND MIS MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS, UM, JUST BY REQUEST OF A COMMISSIONER. BUT SINCE THIS IS THE FIRST DAY FOR SEVERAL OF Y'ALL, I THINK WE WILL BRIEF EVERY MISCELLANEOUS ITEM AND ZONING ITEM ON THE DOCKET TODAY. UM, AND I'VE ASKED OUR CITY STAFF TO START OFF WITH SORT OF ON THE VARIOUS ITEMS, JUST A BRIEF INTRODUCTION ABOUT WHAT OUR ROLE AS DECISION MAKERS IS ON THOSE, BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE HAVE DISCRETION, OTHER TIMES WE ARE ESSENTIALLY REQUIRED TO APPROVE CERTAIN THINGS IF THEY MEET CERTAIN LEGAL REQUIREMENTS. AND JUST ONE FINAL REMINDER THAT THIS IS ONLY A TIME FOR US TO ASK STAFF QUESTIONS AS COMMISSIONERS, THE TIME FOR DISCUSSION OPINING ON MATTERS, ET CETERA, IS AT THE PUBLIC HEARING IN THE AFTERNOON. SO WITH THAT, UH, WE WILL GO TO OUR, UM, MISCELLANEOUS ZONING ITEMS, UM, PORTION OF THE AGENDA. AND MS. ALGAR, ARE YOU GONNA START OFF WITH A BRIEF JUST INTRODUCTION TO THOSE? YES, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. SO EXCUSE ME. FIRST OF ALL, UM, MY NAME IS JENNIFER GYER. I'M NOT ACTUALLY TAS HIN, WHO IS THE PLANNER LISTED ON BOTH OF THESE MZ CASES. SHE'S AT THE A PA TEXAS CONFERENCE. AND SO I AM FILLING IN FOR HER TO PRESENT HER CASES TO YOU. UM, THE FIRST TWO CASES ON THE AGENDA ARE, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THEY START WITH AN MZ. THAT MEANS THAT THEY'RE, UM, MISCELLANEOUS ZONING MATTERS. AND WHEN YOU SEE AN MZ OR A MISCELLANEOUS, A MISCELLANEOUS CASE, IT IS A, UH, MINISTERIAL, UH, APPROVAL BEFORE THE COMMISSION. THERE'S NOT DISCRETION TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THESE PLANS. ESSENTIALLY, THE CODE REQUIRES THAT IF THE PLANS IN THE CASE OF A MINOR AMENDMENT, IF IT MEETS THE CRITERIA OF TO BE CONSIDERED AS A MINOR AMENDMENT, THEN, UH, AND, AND IF IT MEETS THE CODE UNDERLYING, UM, IN THE ZONING DISTRICT, THEN YOU'RE OBLIGED TO APPROVE THAT. UM, WHEN YOU MAKE A MOTION, IT'S EITHER GOING TO BE FOR APPROVAL, UM, MEANING THAT YOU AGREE THAT IT MEETS THE CRITERIA TO BE CONSIDERED AS A MINOR AMENDMENT OR DENIAL IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE OR DO NOT AGREE THAT IT MEETS THE CRITERIA TO BE CONSIDERED AS A MINOR AMENDMENT. UH, IN THE CASE OF A NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, THERE'S A BASICALLY A DIFFERENT SET OF CRITERIA. THERE'S BASICALLY, SOMETIMES WE HAVE, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS THAT COME IN AND INITIALLY WHEN THOSE PDS ARE ESTABLISHED, UM, THERE MIGHT BE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN WITH THAT PD INSTEAD OF A DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT BEFORE CONSTRUCTION, UM, WOULD BE ALLOWED OR BEFORE PERMITS COULD BE ISSUED, YOU WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COME BACK AND HAVE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVED BY THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION. SO IN THE CASE OF A NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE CRITERIA IS BASICALLY DOES THAT, DOES THAT PLAN, UM, MEET THE REGULATIONS FOR THE ZONING DISTRICT? DOES IT COMPLY, UM, WITH THE REGULATIONS THAT APPLY? AND IF SO, YOU'RE OBLIGED TO APPROVE IT AS A MINISTERIAL FUNCTION OF THE, OF THE BODY. UM, IF IT DOESN'T, UM, AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT STAFF IS NOT GOING TO BRING SOMETHING TO YOU, UM, UNLESS WE'VE CONFIRMED THAT IT DOES MEET THOSE, UH, REGULATIONS. IF WE DISCOVER SOMETHING AT THE LAST MINUTE, WHICH OCCASIONALLY HAPPENS, WE WOULD THEN BRIEF YOU TO SAY, WE'VE DISCOVERED THERE'S AN ISSUE, IT DOESN'T COMPLY, WE NEED TO WORK SOMETHING OUT. AND SO WE WOULD ASK YOU TO HOLD IT, BUT IF WE'RE BRINGING, BRINGING IT TO YOU AS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE'RE, WE ARE SAYING TO YOU THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE DISTRICT AND BASICALLY JUST PRESENTING IT TO YOU FOR AN OFFICIAL THUMBS UP. THESE ARE NON-DISCRETIONARY ITEMS. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, WHY DON'T WE GO INTO OUR FIRST MISCELLANEOUS ITEM. IS THAT MS. BLUE? WHO'S GONNA DO THAT? UM, OH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MS. BLUE MS. SHE, SHE MESSAGED ME, UM, 15 MINUTES AGO AND SAID, CAN YOU PRESENT IF SHE'S TAKING CARE OF SOMETHING FOR A CUSTOMER? SO, UNDERSTOOD. WE'RE, WE'RE TAG TEAMING TODAY. ALRIGHT. UM, SO THE FIRST ITEM IS MZ, UH, 25 DASH A LOT OF ZEROS AND A FIVE. UM, [00:10:01] AS I SAID, TAS ZAHI, ONE OF OUR PLANNER TWOS IS THE PLANNER ON THE CASE, AND I'M PRESENTING ON HER BEHALF. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A PUBLIC SCHOOL OTHER THAN AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTIES ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 6 74. IT'S JUST OVER 10 AND A HALF ACRES LOCATED IN, UM, UH, THIS SAYS DISTRICT SEVEN BOUNDED BY GREEN MEADOW DRIVE, JOHN WEST ROAD, LAKELAND DRIVE, AND FOR FOREST CLIFF DRIVE, THE AERIAL AND ZONING MAPS HERE, THE AREA, UM, DASH ON THE RIGHT IS THE AREA OF THE SCHOOL. YOU SEE IT'S IN PD 7 6 74, AND IT IS SURROUNDED BY R SEVEN FIVE A. THE PD WAS ESTABLISHED IN MARCH OF 2004 ON PROPERTY THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ZONED R SEVEN FIVE A. UM, IT'S CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A PUBLIC ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, CONNOR ELEMENTARY. UM, THE CURRENT REQUEST, AS I SAID, IS FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT. UM, THEY'RE ADDING A KITCHEN ADDITION, A CANOPY AT THE PLAY AREA AND A CANOPY AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE TO THE SCHOOL. AND THEN THEY'RE MODIFYING THE LANDSCAPING, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE THESE CHANGES. BEFORE I GO MUCH FURTHER, LET ME, UM, MAKE A CLARIFICATION TO SOMETHING IN THE STAFF REPORT. THERE WAS A BIT OF CONFUSION. UM, THE REQUEST AS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT MENTIONS, UM, A PROPOSED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN. UM, AND WE DID, UH, MENTION IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT THE, THE PLAN OR THE TMP, THAT TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN IS NOT ACTUALLY A REQUIREMENT OF THIS PD. SO THE TMP, ALTHOUGH IT WAS REVIEWED BY, UH, TRAFFIC ENGINEERING DURING STAFF REVIEW OF THE CASE, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY PART OF, UM, WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY UNDER CONSIDERATION SINCE IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. UM, AND IN THIS CASE, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN DOUBLES AS A LANDSCAPE PLAN. SO IF YOU SEE SOME, IF YOU SEE MINOR AMENDMENT TO DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT ALSO INCLUDES LANDSCAPING IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. UM, AND THEN BASICALLY, UM, WHEN, WHEN WE MAKE, UH, OR WHEN WE BRING SOMETHING BEFORE YOU THAT IS A MINOR AMENDMENT, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE CURRENT REQUEST OR THE PROPOSED PLAN IS NOT COMPARED TO PREVIOUS MINOR AMENDMENT PLANS OR MINOR CHANGES. IT ALWAYS NEEDS TO BE COMPARED TO WHAT THE CODE CALLS THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS IT'S THE LAST DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT COUNCIL APPROVED, RIGHT? SO IN THIS CASE, UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY MINOR AMENDMENTS, SO WE'RE COMPARING IT TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN, WHICH ALSO HAPPENS TO BE THE EXISTING ONE. UM, THE KITCHEN EDITION IS ALMOST 3,500 SQUARE FEET, AND AS I MENTIONED, UH, A COUPLE OF CANOPIES AND LANDSCAPING CHANGES. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND, UM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THERE APPEARS TO BE A BLANK PAGE IN THE STAFF REPORT WHERE IT SAYS ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. IS THAT WHAT YOU ALL ARE SEEING IN THE STAFF REPORT? I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED. UM, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. UM, THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN HERE. IT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE EXHIBITS IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE AND THEN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THEN SIDE BY SIDE SO YOU CAN HAVE A BETTER, UH, COMPARISON OF THE CHANGES AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL ON THE BASIS THAT IT DOES MEET THE CRITERIA TO BE CONSIDERED AS A MINOR AMENDMENT AND THE PLAN DOES COMPLY WITH THE UNDERLYING REGULATIONS. THANK YOU, MS. ALGAR. I JUST WANTED TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT COMMISSIONER WHEELER REAGAN JOINED US AT NINE 15. ANYONE, ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER HERBERT OR VICE CHAIR HERBERT ? GOTTA GET USED TO THAT. JUST IN REVIEW, JENNIFER, I THOUGHT THE ORIGINAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN, I DIDN'T SEE PORTABLES. DID I SEE PORTABLES ON THE NEWEST ONE? DID YOU SEE PORTABLES ON THE, THE LATEST, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN? ARE THEY GETTING RID OF THE PORTABLES YET? SO ON THE, LET ME MOVE BACK HERE. OH, OH, I'M NOT DOING GOOD AT THIS. SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE PORTABLES HERE. [00:15:01] EXISTING PORTABLE BUILDINGS, EXISTING PORTABLE BUILDINGS HERE. SO ARE THOSE THE ONES THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? OKAY. SO A LOT OF TIMES ON THE ORIGINAL PLAN, THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES SLASH PLANNING AND AND DEVELOPMENT AS TO WHETHER PORTABLES NEED TO BE SHOWN ON PLANS. UM, IT IS CURRENTLY STAFF'S APPROACH THAT THEY DO NEED TO BE SHOWN IF THEY'RE INTENDED TO REMAIN. SO IN, IN SOME CASES LIKE THIS, WE WOULD SHOW EXISTING THINGS THAT WEREN'T SHOWN, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE ALREADY APPROVED TO BE OUT THERE. UM, IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PERMITTING WHERE THEY BASICALLY NEED, UH, A MOVE PERMIT TO, TO MOVE THAT PORTABLE BUILDING. IT'S NOT A TRADITIONAL BUILDING PERMIT IN THE SAME SENSE. SO THANK YOU. MM-HMM . ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? YEP. COMMISSIONER, UH, HAMPTON. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. MR. AGAR, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THERE'S AN EXPANSION AREA THAT'S SHOWN NORTH OF THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT IS REMOVED ON THE PROPOSED, UM, DEVELOPMENT PLAN. DID THEY INTEND TO REMOVE POTENTIAL EXPANSION AREAS? SO IN THIS CASE, UH, I, I BELIEVE THIS MIGHT, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT I BELIEVE THIS WAS THE, THERE WAS A SITUATION WITH A MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA THAT WAS ALLOWED ON THE SITE AND THEY HAD TO REDUCE SOME EXPANSION AREA IN ORDER TO ADD COMPLY. YEAH. IN ORDER TO STAY UNDER THAT. SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS THEIR INTENT. 'CAUSE THAT'S A PRETTY BIG AREA. IT IT WAS A TRADE OFF. YES. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO. OKAY. SO THE, THE FIRST MZ ITEM, AS I MENTIONED, IT WAS A MINOR AMENDMENT TO A, A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT'S ATTACHED TO A PD IN THIS CASE. UH, MZ TWO FIVE DASH OH EIGHT. UM, IT'S A MINOR AMENDMENT TO A PARKING DISTRICT PLAN, WHICH FOLLOWS THE SAME CRITERIA AS THE MINOR AMENDMENT CRITERIA FOR AN SUP SITE PLAN. SO THE ZONING DISTRICT AT THIS LOCATION IS A PA PARKING DISTRICT. PA PARKING DISTRICTS ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE, UH, REQUIRED PARKING FOR A NEARBY USE, AND IT HAS TO BE TIED TO THAT USE. THIS ONE IS, UH, LESS THAN A QUARTER OF AN AN ACRE ON THE WEST LINE OF EUCLID STREET, NORTHWEST OF LEWIS STREET IN DISTRICT 14. SEE IT OUTLINED IN RED. SO THE PARKING DISTRICT WAS ESTABLISHED IN OCTOBER, 2009 ON PROPERTY THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ZONED MF TWO A, UM, TO REQUIRE, UH, PROVIDE REQUIRED PARKING FOR A RETAIL USE SOUTH OF THE SITE. AND CURRENTLY THEY ARE REQUESTING A MINOR AMENDMENT. UM, THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO ADD DIRECT VEHICLE ACCESS TO THE SITE. CURRENTLY THEY ACCESS THEIR SITE VIA ACCESS EASEMENT THROUGH THE NEIGHBORING SITE. AND SO BY ADDING DIRECT ACCESS, UM, FROM EUCLID, IT REQUIRED SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PARKING LAYOUT. AND ALSO, UM, DURING THE COURSE OF THE REVIEW, OUR, OUR CITY ARBORIST NOTICED THAT THERE WAS SOME, UH, LANDSCAPING SHOWN ON THE PLAN, BUT WHAT WAS SHOWN DID NOT COMPLY WITH ARTICLE 10. SO WHILE WE WERE AMENDING THIS PLAN, UM, WE'VE ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, BUFFER TREES AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO BRING THE SITE OFFICIALLY INTO COMPLIANCE WITH ARTICLE 10. SO THERE WOULD BE NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT WHEN THEY GET TO PERMITTING. SO, AS I SAID, IT'S ADDING A SINGLE POINT OF VEHICULAR INGRESS TO THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY FROM EUCLID STREET. THEY'RE REDUCING THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES FROM 20 TO 14 TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, THE NEW ACCESS POINT VISIBILITY TRIANGLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEN MODIFYING THE LANDSCAPING, ADDING ADDITIONAL TREES TO THE NORTH BUFFER ZONE. THIS, THIS IS THE EXISTING PLAN. YOU CAN SEE THAT ACCESS IS OCCURRING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY. THERE'S AN EASEMENT THAT'S GRANTED IN ORDER FOR THEM TO ACCESS THAT. AND THEN EGRESS IS OUT THROUGH THE REAR, UH, THROUGH THE ALLEY. THE PROPOSED PLAN IS, SEE IF I CAN MAKE [00:20:01] THAT A LITTLE MORE VISIBLE. UM, INGRESS IS ADDED DIRECTLY FROM EUCLID INTO THE SITE ITSELF. YOU CAN SEE THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING FEATURES. UM, THE, AS I SAID, THE PARKING LAYOUT IS MODIFIED AND ACCESS IS STILL THROUGH THE REAR ALLEY, BUT SOMEWHAT ADJUSTED. OOPS. JUST SOWING, UH, THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED SIDE BY SIDE TO NOTE THE DIFFERENCES. AND AGAIN, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL, UM, BASED ON THE, UM, BASED ON THE, UH, IDEA THAT THESE CHANGES COMPLY WITH THE CRITERIA TO BE CONSIDERED AS A MINOR AMENDMENT TO A SITE PLAN, IN THIS CASE A PARKING DISTRICT. SITE PLAN. QUESTIONS, SIR. MS. GYER, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, I'LL COME TO YOU NEXT. COMMISSIONER HALL. UM, MS. ALGA, I'M JUST CURIOUS, UM, IF PERHAPS OUR AMENDED PARKING ORDINANCE PLAYED INTO THIS CASE AND THAT THEY COULD AFFORD TO LOSE SOME SPACES COME IN COMPLIANCE WITH ARTICLE 10 HAVE SAFER ACCESS INTO THE PARKING. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, IF YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S THE CASE, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS IF, UM, GIVEN THAT IT'S FOR A RETAIL USE TO THE SOUTH. UM, I WOULD TEND TO SAY NO, I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A, A CERTAIN ANSWER TO THAT. I DO KNOW THAT, UM, AS PART OF THE CRITERIA WHEN WE DO REDUCE, REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS HAVE TO, UM, CONFIRM THAT IT'S NOT GONNA CAUSE CONGESTION OR CAUSE TRAFFIC HAZARDS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN STAFF DOES CONFIRM THAT IT'S STILL, UM, THE USE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT STILL, UM, IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH ANY REQUIRED PARKING SPACES. THE FACT THAT THEY DIDN'T JUST COME IN TO CHANGE THIS FROM A PARKING DISTRICT BACK TO SOME OTHER BASE DISTRICT, UM, WOULD LEAD ME TO THINK THAT IT'S NOT RELATED TO THE PARKING CODE CHANGE. BUT I, I'M NOT CERTAIN I CAN LOOK THAT UP IN THE MEANTIME. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT IS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ONLINE, MR. HALL, THE, UH, YOU'RE ADDING A, A NEW CURB CUT ALONG, UH, EUCLID AND THAT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED JUST BY THIS MINOR AMENDMENT PROCESS. IT CAN BE, UM, IN FOR THE AMENDMENT CRITERIA FOR A SUP SITE PLAN OR A PARKING SITE PLAN. UM, IT, IT'S NOT, UM, OUTSIDE THE REALM OF A MINOR TO ADD A, A CURB CUT WHERE THERE PREVIOUSLY WASN'T ONE. IF THIS WERE AN AMENDMENT TO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT, DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IF WE WERE ADDING A CURB CUT ON A, A STREET FRONTAGE THAT, THAT DOESN'T CURRENTLY HAVE ONE THAT WOULD DISQUALIFY THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT CRITERIA FOR THE SUP OR PARKING SITE PLAN. OKAY. AND THERE'S, THERE'S STILL A EGRESS POINT IN AN ALLEY, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S NOT CHANGING. OKAY. IT, IT'S MOVED SLIGHTLY TO ONE SIDE TO ACCOMMODATE SOME TREES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S STILL EXIT THROUGH THE ALLEY ENTRANCE ONLY FROM EUCLID. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. SORRY, HAVING TROUBLE WITH MY MICROPHONE TODAY. UM, THERE WERE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS ON THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN, UM, THAT SPECIFICALLY TIED THIS LOT TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AS WELL AS ADDRESSING LIGHTING STANDARDS. UM, HOW ARE THOSE CONSIDERED BY CODE AND THIS MINOR AMENDMENT? THE, THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE NOT AFFECTED BY THIS MINOR AMENDMENT. THEY WOULD STILL STAY IN IN PLACE. SO I DIDN'T, AND I MAY HAVE OVERLOOKED IT, BUT I DIDN'T SEE THEM ON THE NEW PLAN. DO THOSE BOTH NEED TO BE LISTED? I'LL GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK. THANK YOU. THERE, THERE IS A CHART AND I, AGAIN, I MAY HAVE OVERLOOKED, I THINK, I THINK AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS. LET ME GET TO THAT. WE, WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THAT DOWN HERE IN ADVANCE OF THE HEARING. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I TRIED TO READ THROUGH AND I DID NOT SEE IT, BUT AGAIN, I EASILY COULD HAVE OVERLOOKED IT. SECOND QUESTION IS, THERE WAS, UM, LANDSCAPING THAT WAS SHOWN ON THE CURRENT SITE PLAN THAT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE IN PLACE. HOW WAS THAT EVALUATED IN CONSIDERING THE NEW PLAN? I UNDERSTAND YOU MENTIONED THAT IT'S NOT WHAT WAS SUBMITTED WAS NOT COMPLIANT WITH ARTICLE 10, BUT IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THE EXISTING CONDITION IS COMPLIANT WITH THE CURRENT SITE PLAN. [00:25:04] SO THEY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE LANDSCAPING ON THE CURRENT SITE PLAN. THEY'RE GOING TO BE IT BASED ON, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME PAVEMENT ADJUSTMENTS HERE. JUST EVEN JUST LOOKING AT THE, THE LOCATION WHERE THE EGRESS IS INTO THE ALLEY, IF THERE'S, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME PAVING THAT OCCURS THAT WILL REQUIRE A PERMIT AND THEN THAT PERMIT WILL ALSO GO THROUGH LANDSCAPING REVIEW AND THEY WOULD NEED TO COMPLY WITH THIS PLAN. SO IT'S RELYING ON PERMITTING AND INSPECTIONS TO CLOSE OUT THE PERMIT TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE SITE PLAN. BUT THERE'S NO CONSIDERATION THAT IT'S NOT CURRENTLY COMPLIANT WITH THE SITE PLAN. UM, NOT AT THIS PHASE OF THE PROCESS. I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS MAKING AN AMENDMENT TO THE PLAN AS SHOWN AND, AND MAKING THE CHANGES THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AND ENSURING THAT THE PLAN ITSELF COMPLIES WITH THE ORDINANCE. UM, CERTAINLY OUR CITY ARBORIST IS GONNA BE INTERESTED IN, IN ENSURING COMPLIANCE, BUT WE'RE NOT REALLY AT THE COMPLIANCE PHASE AT THIS POINT. AND I GUESS I'M TALKING ABOUT EXISTING CONDITIONS. I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN THE FUTURE, BUT I WILL SAY FROM LOOKING AT THIS AND BEING VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY, THEY DON'T COMPLY TODAY. THAT WAS REALLY MY QUESTION. RIGHT. SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT REALLY AT THE COMPLIANCE PHASE. SO IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH COMPLIANCE WITH A PLAN THAT WOULD GO TO, UH, OUR CODE COMPLIANCE FOLKS, UM, I'M ANTICIPATING THAT THEY'LL ALSO COME IN FOR A PERMIT. SO IT WOULD COME UP AT THAT POINT TOO. BUT THE, THE PLACE FOR THE COMPLIANCE ISSUE AT THIS POINT WOULD BE THROUGH CODE COMPLIANCE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. CARPENTER? I ALSO AM FAMILIAR WITH THIS SITE AND, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT YOU KNOW, NONE, NONE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN HAVE, HAVE EVER, YOU KNOW, OCCURRED. AND THERE ARE IN FACT TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. THEY SEEM TO ACCESS THAT LOT BY EUCLID WITH, I'LL CALL THEM INFORMAL DRIVES. RIGHT. UM, BUT UH, FOLLOWING UP ON THE LANDSCAPING, UM, TEXT HERE IN THE REPORT, IT TALKS ABOUT THERE BEING AN, AT LEAST ON THE SITE PLAN IN AN ADEQUATE BUFFER TO THAT RESIDENTIAL ON THE NORTH. DID DID THAT MEAN AT THE TIME THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED, THAT BUFFER DID NOT APPLY WITH, COMPLY WITH ARTICLE 10 AT THE TIME OR IT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH ARTICLE 10 NOW? UM, IT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH ARTICLE 10 NOW. THAT'S THE REASON THE PROPOSED FOR THE ADDITIONAL TREES AND, AND SHRUBBERY. SO SINCE, SO THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY CONFUSION WHEN WE WENT TO PERMITTING ABOUT COMPLIANCE WITH ARTICLE 10, WE, UM, WE MADE SURE THAT THE CURRENT PLAN COMPLIES WITH ARTICLE 10 AS OPPOSED TO THE PREVIOUS PLAN. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN, IT CLEARLY DOES NOT COMPLY WITH ARTICLE 10. UM, SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE A SITE PLAN WITH PARTIAL LANDSCAPING AND IMPLY IN ANY WAY THAT THAT WAS ALL THAT WAS NEEDED TO BE PLANTED ON SITE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OH, COMMISSIONER, WELL, JUST ONE FOLLOW UP. I FOUND IT IN THE NOTES ABOVE THE ARTICLE 10 LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS. THE TWO NOTES ABOUT THE, UM, LIGHT STANDARDS LIMITED TO 10 AND PARKING SERVES THE ADJACENT LOT. SO PERFECT. LOCATED IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU MR. YES. AND, AND THANK YOU FOR, FOR A LITTLE BIT OF GRACE. AS I SAID, I WAS BROUGHT INTO THIS ABOUT 15 MINUTES AGO, , SO THANK YOU FOR FINDING THAT FOR ME. I'M GLAD THAT YOU COULD READ THOSE COMMISSIONER HAMPTON BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR MY EYES. ALSO, I WILL SAY IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING 'CAUSE EVERYBODY HAS SWAPPED SIDES HERE, SO I'M KIND OF THROWN A LITTLE BIT. BUT ANYWAY, YEAH, WITH THE CHANGES IN SENIORITY, WE HAD TO SORT OF MOVE PEOPLE AROUND. ALRIGHT, WE'RE ONTO OUR ZONING, UH, CONSENT DOCKET. UM, JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, UM, THE CONSENT DOCKET IS GENERALLY TAKEN UP IN A SINGLE MOTION AND ALL OF THE ITEMS ARE APPROVED AS, UM, PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, EITHER IN THE DOCKET OR IF CHANGES ARE MADE AT THE BRIEFING. THEY COULD BE APPROVED BASED ON CHANGES MADE AT THE BRIEFING AS WELL. UM, IF THERE ARE CHANGES THAT ANYONE INTENDS TO MAKE TO AN ITEM ON CONSENT, WE WOULD NEED TO PULL THAT OFF. UM, IF AN ITEM'S GOING TO BE HELD, WE PULL IT OFF FOR THAT PURPOSE AS WELL, UNLESS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR WHATEVER REASON IS TO HOLD IT AND THAT SOMETIMES DOES HAPPEN. UM, AND FINALLY, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE SPEAKERS, PARTICULARLY IF THERE'S GOING TO BE SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION TO AN ITEM OR PRACTICE, GENERALLY IS TO HOLD OR TO, TO PULL AN ITEM OFF CONSENT, UM, AS WELL. SO FAR I'VE HEARD THAT ITEM NUMBER FIVE [00:30:01] IS GOING TO BE, UM, PULLED OFF CONSENT AND HELD AND NUMBER THREE AND THREE. MM-HMM . OKAY, I KNEW THAT. I JUST FORGOT IT. UM, FIVE AND THREE ARE COMING OFF CONSENT. DOES ANYONE ELSE NEED ANYTHING TAKEN OFF CONSENT AT THIS TIME? WE CAN CERTAINLY DO IT AT ANY TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALRIGHT, UH, MS. HASHMI, ITEM NUMBER THREE. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. UM, WELCOME NEW COMMISSIONERS AND LOOKING FORWARD WORKING WITH YOU. UH, MY FIRST CASE IS Z 25 92. UH, IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT ON PROPERTIES ZONE, UH, IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT LOCATED ON THE EAST LINE OF VICKSBURG STREET BETWEEN VARIOUS BOULEVARD AND MISS CCP AVENUE. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 17,000 SQUARE FEET. IT IS LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT SIX. AND, UH, THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED WITH A NEWLY CONSTRUCTED, UH, TWO A STORY BUILDING. BUT ACCORDING TO THE THE APPLICANT, IT REMAINS UNDERUTILIZED. AND THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES, INCLUDING OFFICE, SHOWROOM, WAREHOUSE, UH, AND STORAGE. UH, THE STRUCTURE, UH, WOULD BE USED, UM, AS THE SAME AND, UH, AND, UH, UH, WILL, UH, REMAIN IN PLACE AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS, UM, LIKE A CONSISTENT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN RIGHT NOW AND IS CURRENTLY TRANSITIONING TO MORE DIVERSE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS. HERE IS AN AERIAL MAP. UH, THESE SHOWS, UM, SURROUNDING ZONING AND LAND USES IS, UH, MAINLY ZONED IR, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION. UH, OUR EAST, WHICH HAS BEEN, UH, REZONED TO MU THREE WITH DID RESTRICTION RECENTLY, UH, USE TOWARD NORTH IS WAREHOUSE, UM, TOWARDS SOUTH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND FARTHER IS OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE, UH, AND TO THE EAST, EAST WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND SURFACE PARKING. HERE IS SOME, UM, SITE PHOTOS LOOKING AT SITE FROM VICKSBURG STREET, LOOKING NORTHEAST AT THE SITE LOOKING SOUTHEAST. AND, UH, LOOKING NORTH TO THE SURROUNDING USERS, LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING EAST TO THAT OFFICE. SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE USE. UM, LOOKING WEST AT, UM, WAREHOUSE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL LOOKING NORTH AT WAREHOUSE. THE DEVELOPMENT OF STANDARDS, THE NEW, UH, THE, THE PROPOSED MU THREE WILL IMPOSE, UH, MORE INTENSE, UH, UH, STANDARDS, UM, UH, GREATER HEIGHT TO UM, 270 FEET. AND, UM, GREATER DENSITY. UH, THE AREA OF REQUEST, UH, DESIGNATE AS COMMUNITY MIXED USE ON THE FORWARD DALLAS. AND, UM, [00:35:01] THESE PLATE TYPE PRIMARILY, UH, SUPPORT RANGE OF, UH, USERS INCLUDING MULTIPLEX, APARTMENT, MIXED USE, LODGING, COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE. AND THE PROPOSED REZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THEIR PERMITTED LAND USERS UNDER THIS PLACE TYPE, UH, THE SITE, UH, IS ALSO LOCATED IN, UH, WITHIN THE BOUNDARY OF STEMS CORRIDOR, SOUTHWESTERN MEDICAL DISTRICT AREA PLAN AND IS DESIGNATED AS URBAN MIXED USE MEDIUM, WHICH HAS BEEN ENVISIONED FOR MID DRIVES RESIDENTIAL RETAIL SHOWROOMS, OFFICE AND MIXED USE BUILDINGS. STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT. IT'S, UH, THAT HAS BEEN FORWARDED, UM, TO YOU ALL AND IT WAS AFTER THE DOCKET. AND THIS CONCLUDED MY FIRST CASE. I'M GUESSING COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAS QUESTIONS? YES. CAN I CLARIFY THAT YOUR, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS NOW MODIFIED TO BE APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE PUBLIC DEED RESTRICTIONS? YES. OKAY. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THIS CAN STAY ON CONSENT. UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE APPLICANT ASKED FOR M MU THREE BECAUSE OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE ISN'T ALLOWED IN MU ONE AND MU TWO. THAT'S CORRECT. SO TO DO THE COMBINATION OF USES THAT THEY PROPOSE HERE, MU THREE IS, IS NEEDED? YES. IT'S THE ONLY PERMIT. AND, UH, WHERE WE'RE GETTING WITH MU THREE AND THE DEED RESTRICTIONS IS TO, UM, ZONING THAT'S IDENTICAL TO THE ADJACENT PARCEL TO THE EAST, EAST? THAT'S CORRECT, YES, CORRECT. AND WHILE WE HAVE TIME THIS MORNING AND IT IS PERTINENT TO THIS CASE, COULD YOU EXPLAIN NOW HOW IN THE NEW SENATE BILL EIGHT 40 ENVIRONMENT PUBLIC DEED RESTRICTIONS CAN BE USED TO LIMIT HEIGHT? UH, UH, AS I UNDERSTOOD, UH, BASED ON THE NEW BILL, UH, THE, WE CAN, THE GREATER, UH, THE, THE, UH, MINIMUM HEIGHT THAT WE CAN HAVE IS 45 FOOD AND THEN, UH, IT, AND THEN WE CAN LIMIT, UH, UH, UH, ANY HEIGHT GREATER THAN THAT. UH, SO THAT'S WHY, UH, WE ARE, UH, WE HAVE THE DEEP RESTRICTION FOR HEIGHT, RIGHT, AS LONG AS IT'S LOWER THAN THE LOWER HEIGHT AND, AND ALL. AND THAT RESTRICTED HEIGHT HAS TO APPLY TO ALL USES ON THE SITE? YES. AND IT APPLIES TO ALL USES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HALL. UH, MS. HASHIMI, UH, THIS, UH, STRIKES ME AS AN ODD PLACE FOR RESIDENTIAL, UH, THAT, THAT'S MENTIONED UP HERE. THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE BRIEF THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO THIS MM-HMM . UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M OPPOSED TO THAT. IT JUST SEEMED LIKE AN ODD PLACE BECAUSE I DID NOT SEE ANY RESIDENTIAL IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS. DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON WHAT, WHAT THEY WANT TO DO REGARDING RESIDENTIAL? UM, AS I MENTIONED, UM, THERE, RIGHT NOW THERE IS NOT ANY ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THE AREA AND IT'S UNDER TRANSITION, BUT, UH, IT IS TRANSITIONING TO MIXED USE. AND I SAW ONE U ONE, UH, ON THE OTHER, UH, STREET, UH, WITH RESIDENTIAL AND ALSO THIS ONE AND THE, UH, THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THIS ONE THAT HAS BEEN REZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AS WELL. BUT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO ADD RESIDENTIAL TO THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE EXISTING, UH, BUILDING AND IT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE AREA AND IT'S, IT IS HAPPENING IN THE AREA. YES. WOULD THIS UH, BE A RENTAL, RENTAL COMPONENTS? I'M NOT SURE. NOT SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SURE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, YOU ARE AWARE THAT THE ADJOINING PROPERTY TO THE EAST WITH IDENTICAL ZONING IS, IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW IS A PURELY RESIDENTIAL PROJECT? UH, UH, I CANNOT. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, YEAH, CONFIRM THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT, WELL THAT'S WHAT I SAW THERE. OKAY. AND THEN, YEAH, TO ELABORATE ON WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, THERE ARE, THERE, THERE'S BEEN A PATTERN OF, UH, TRANSITIONING FROM IR TO VARIOUS MIXED USE ZONINGS IN THE AREA AND THEY ARE BLENDING, UM, MORE LOW INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USES WITH RESIDENTIAL. SO IT, IT IS THE ESTABLISHED OR ESTABLISHING PATTERN. I'LL, I'LL ADD IN SOME OF, SOME FUN FACT FROM, FROM, FROM MY END THAT IR IS ONE OF THE, I'M PRETTY SURE TWO DISTRICTS THAT COM PERMIT COMMERCIAL USES IN THE CITY THAT [00:40:01] EIGHT 40 WOULD NOT, YOU KNOW, APPLY TO BECAUSE THEY ALSO PERMIT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES. SO IR, IF YOU HAVE, I IR YOU HAVE TO COME IN TO GET A REZONING TO PERMIT, UM, UH, MULTIFAMILY OR RESIDENTIAL, UM, VERSUS ALL THE OTHER DISTRICTS EXCEPT FOR IR AND IM THAT, THAT YOU NEED TO, YOU CAN UH, USE EIGHT 40 BY RYAN. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? NUMBER FOUR. I THINK THAT'S BACK TO YOU MR. SHEMI. AND JUST WHILE SHE'S GETTING IT LINED UP, IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH THIS STAYING ON ON CONSENT? ALRIGHT, WE'LL KEEP IT ON CONSENT THEN. OKAY. THE NEXT CASE IS Z 25 1 1 8 IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR SUB AREA B WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT EIGHT 11. IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF UH, 30 BETWEEN WEST COLORADO BOULEVARD AND NORTH CORA HILL ROAD. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 1.2 ACRES AND UM, THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP, IT'S LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT ONE. UM, AND HERE IS SOME QUICK BACKGROUND. UH, IN SEPTEMBER, 2009, PD EIGHT 11 WAS ESTABLISHED TO ALLO A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WITH RETAIL, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL AND OFFICE USE. IN MAY, UH, 2012, THE PD BOUNDARY WAS EXPANDED IN APRIL, 2025. A MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED FOR, UH, THE SAME LOTS TO ALLO A RESTAURANT. AND THE PURPOSE OF THE CURRENT REQUEST IS TO AMEND THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO CHANGE THE USE OF, UH, LOT THREE B FROM RESTAURANT TO FINANCIAL INSTITUTION WITH DRIVE IN WINDOW AND THE REQUEST SIDE IS UNDEVELOPED. HERE IS AN AERIAL MAP. THIS IS SHOWING PD CONCEPTUAL MAP THAT, UH, HIGHLIGHTS SUB AREA B AND LOT THREE B. AND THE, UH, SURROUNDING ZONING AND LAND USES IS MAINLY, UH, ZONE PD EIGHT 11 AND TO THE SOUTH IS MULTIFAMILY UNDER CONSTRUCTION TO THE, UH, AND FARTHER SOUTH IS ALL UNDEVELOPED TRACKS. UM, TO THE EAST IS RESTAURANT WE DRIVE THROUGH AND LODGING OFFICE AND ALSO, UH, FURTHER DOWN IS UNDEVELOPED AND UM, ACROSS I 30, UM, PD 4 92 AS AND IS INDUSTRIAL PARK. UH, HERE IS SOME, UH, SITE PHOTOS LOOKING AT SITE FROM THE FRONTAGE ROAD LOOKING WEST AT SITE LOOKING SOUTH FROM COLORADO BOULEVARD. AND, UH, LOOKING AT SURROUNDING USES THE MULTIFAMILY, UH, UNITS UNDER CONSTRUCTIONS LOOKING WEST AND, UM, LOOKING EAST AND LOOKING SOUTHEAST AT COLORADO BOULEVARD. SEEING THE LODGING AND, UM, THE, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARD, UM, THE NEED, THE, THE AMENDMENT HASN'T CHANGED THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARD AND ACTUALLY IT'S, UM, MUCH LOWER THAN, UH, WHAT HAS BEEN, UM, IN THE PD EIGHT, UH, 11 WITH, UH, LESS HARD AND LESS THAN THE AREA IS LOCATED WITHIN COMMUNITY MIXED USE, WHICH IS PRIMARILY, UH, SUPPORTS RANGE OF, UH, USES LIKE MULTIPLEX APARTMENT, MIXED USE LODGING, COMMERCIAL OFFICES. AND THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, UM, MAINTAINS THE COMMERCIAL USE AND, UH, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, UM, ENVISION PLACE TYPE. UH, HERE TO THE, UH, LEFT IS SHOWING THE EXISTING, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND, UH, TO THE RIGHT IS A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THE, UM, UH, THE, THE AMENDED UM, DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, IS MEETING THE, UH, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS OF PD EIGHT 11 AND ALSO THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT FOR, UH, LOT FOR, FOR THAT, UM, SUB AREA B. [00:45:01] AND UH, HERE IS THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN, WHICH, UH, THE AMENDED, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN ALSO MEETS THE, UH, MINIMUM LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENT IN THE PD AND OVERALL IS, UH, IMPROVING THE, UH, LANDSCAPE. AND IT IS SOME PD CONDITIONS RELEVANT TO THIS AREA. UH, THEY WON'T CHANGE ANY OF THESE CONDITIONS AND IT'S JUST AMENDMENT TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AMENDED LANDSCAPE PLAN AND, UM, AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN QUESTIONS. MR. CARPENTER? YES, THE STAFF REPORT, UH, REFERS TO ENHANCED VISUAL SCREENING. WHERE IS THAT BEING PROVIDED? IF I CAN ZOOM IN GENERAL, THE NEW, UH, PROPOSED, UH, LAND LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, PROVIDING, UM, UH, MORE DIVERSE PLANTING AND, UH, SCREENING, UH, FOR PARKING AREA AND, UH, FOR THIS, UH, LOADING AREA AND ALSO, UM, THIS AREA. SO. OKAY. SO IT'S ENHANCED IN TERMS OF DIVERSITY? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. I I WAS JUST GONNA TOSS IN THAT SOME OF THE SPECIES ARE, WE CH WE CHANGED SOME OF THE SPECIES DIVERSITY, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE ALSO SLIGHTLY LARGER TREES POND BUILD OUT BASED ON WHAT OUR ARBORIST STAFF HAVE GIVEN US. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT COMES FROM. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? OH, COMMISSIONER HOUSE WRIGHT, UM, MS. HASHIMI, I, I'M, I'M ASSUMING YOU READ SORT OF THE, THE PREAMBLE TO THE PD ORDINANCE WHERE IT SAYS, UH, REQUIRED TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT THAT RESPECTS AND PRESERVES THE NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY AND VEGETATION OF THE PROPERTY, CREATE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPERTY'S UNIQUE NATURAL SETTING, ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT SUPPORT A PEDESTRIAN, FAMILY AND FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT CAN CREATE A COMPACT MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT IN THE CENTRAL PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. UM, LOOKING AT YOUR, YOUR DATA, YOU'RE AWARE THAT THE FAR ON THIS IS 0.06. THIS IS A TINY BUILDING, SOMEWHAT LARGER THAN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH 52 PARKING SPACES, WHICH IS 50% MORE THAN WE USED TO REQUIRE FOR BARS. UM, THERE ARE 12 STACKING SPACES FOR DRIVE-THROUGH BANKING. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THIS LAND USE RELATIVE TO THE, THE, THE PD ORDINANCE RELATIVE TO CCA RELATIVE TO, UM, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH, UM, THE QUALITY OF DEVELOPMENT IN THIS CITY? UH, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT CHANGING THE PD CONDITIONS AND IT'S JUST, UH, CHANGING THE, UH, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. WE DIDN'T HAVE CONTROL ON THOSE REQUIREMENTS LIKE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. UM, AND, UM, I, I DIDN'T CONSIDER THAT. YEAH. OKAY. UM, COULD IT BE MR. CHAIR THAT THIS IS A, A TOPIC THAT COULD GET FOLDED INTO SOME OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, UM, REFORMS TO LOOK AT ISSUES LIKE, LIKE THIS? I THINK ANYTHING IS, IS ON THE TABLE AS WE PREPARE AND UPDATE. OKAY. MS. ALLGEIER, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? I SAW YOU, I, I'M SORRY I CAME IN ON THE TAIL END OF THIS, BUT I BELIEVE THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S A VERY STRANGE SET OF CRITERIA FOR SOMETHING TO BE DONE AS A MINOR AMENDMENT IN THIS PD AND IT DIDN'T MEET THE CRITERIA IN THE PD, BUT IT MEETS THE CRITERIA OVERALL. SO WE KEPT THE FOCUS TO THE PLAN. UM, 'CAUSE ESSENTIALLY THEY WERE COMING IN TO CHANGE THE USE. THAT'S REALLY IT. SO IS THIS DISCRETIONARY OR MINISTERIAL? UM, IT IS DISCRETION, IT'S DISCRETIONARY WITH RESPECT TO THE PLAN SINCE THAT WHAT WAS ADVERTISED. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, I KNOW NUMBER FIVE IS GOING TO BE HELD. UM, WE TYPICALLY DON'T BRIEF CASES WHEN THEY'RE BEING HELD, BUT DOES ANYONE WANT THIS ONE BRIEF TODAY? ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO NUMBER SIX. MS. BLUE, SHE'S ON [00:50:16] GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER. LET ME GATHER MYSELF RIGHT QUICK. ALL RIGHT, GOOD MORNING. AGAIN, THIS IS Z 2 45 DASH 1 45. IT'S ALSO Z DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 1 46. IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW PACIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A TOWER ANTENNA FOR CELLULAR COMMUNICATION LIMIT TO A MONOPOLE CELLULAR TOWER AND PROPERTY ZONE FWMU DASH THREE FORM, UM, FORM SUB DISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT. IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF SOUTH BOULEVARD AND NORTHEAST LINE OF COLONIAL AVENUE. UM, THE AREA REQUEST IS APPROXIMATELY 14,984 SQUARE FEET IS IN CASTLE DISTRICT SEVEN. HERE'S THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY ON THE LOCATION MAP. YOU CAN SEE THE YELLOW STAR HERE IS OF AREA VIEW SHOWING THE PROPERTY OUTLINED IN RED. HERE'S THE ZONING MAP SHOWING SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH. WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY, UM, SENIOR HOUSING, WE ALSO HAVE SINGLE FAMILY TO THE EAST AND SOME MULTIFAMILY. WE HAVE TO THE SOUTH, UH, A MEDICAL CLINIC AND A CHURCH. AND THEN TO THE WEST WE HAVE UNDEVELOPED LAND AND A RESTAURANT THAT'S NO LONGER. UM, OPERATING HERE IS SOME, UH, CODE INFORMATION. SO IN THE PD IT SAYS FOR A CELLULAR, UH, TOWER, UM, IT NEEDS TO CONFORM TO THE SAME, UM, REQUIREMENTS AS WHAT'S LAID OUT IN CR COMMUNITY RETAIL. SO WHEN WE GO TO OUR 51 A, IT STATES FOR COMMUNITY RETAIL THAT THIS USE IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN CR DISTRICT. IF THE HEIGHT OF THE TOP, IF THE HEIGHT OF THE TOWER DOES NOT EXCEED 65 FEET WITH A RR REQUIRED OTHERWISE BY SUP ONLY. SO THE PROPOSED HEIGHT OF THIS TOWER IS 95 FEET. SO THE SUP WILL BE REQUIRED. UM, HERE ARE SOME MORE DETAILS. SO THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF A TOWER ANTENNA FOR CELLULAR COMMUNICATION LIMITED TO A MONOPOLE CELLULAR TOWER. THIS NEW, UH, MONOPOLE CELLULAR TOWER IS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT TO ENHANCE NETWORK IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA. HERE ARE SOME SITE PHOTOS. HERE'S THE ZONING MAP SHOWN ON THE PROPERTY. UM, THIS LOOKING ON THE PROPERTY, SOUTHEAST EAST, NORTHEAST NORTH, NORTHWEST WEST, SOUTHWEST, SOUTHEAST. UM, HERE'S THE SITE PLAN OF THE OVERALL SITE SHOWING THE, UH, MENOPAUSE ON SITE IS LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. UM, HE, LEMME GO BACK AND IF YOU COULD SEE HERE'S ENLARGEMENT TOO. UM, IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE FENCED IN, SO IT WILL HAVE A SECURITY FENCE AROUND THE, UH, THE MONOPOLE HERE IS THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS FOR THE MONOPOLE SHOWING IT AT 95 FEET. UM, HERE ARE THE SUP CONDITIONS, UM, TIMEFRAME. WE WENT WITH 20 YEARS WITH AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL 20 YEARS AND ALSO FOR SOLID, UH, SCREENING FOR THE FENCE AROUND THE MINE POLE. AND JUST SOME STANDARD INFORMATION, UM, THAT'S REQUIRED IN SUVS FOR, UH, CELLULAR TOWERS. UM, THIS IS LOCATED IN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN BOLD, THAT UTILITY USES IS ONE OF THE SUPPORTING USES IN THIS PLACE TYPE. UM, SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION, AS I STATED EARLIER, IS APPROVAL FOR 20 YEARS PERIOD WITH ELIG ELIG ELIGIBILITY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL 20 YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. THAT CONCLUDES THIS PRESENTATION. THANK YOU MS. BLUE QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER SIMS. UH, MS. LOU, LAST TIME WE HAD A COMMUNICATIONS TOWER BEFORE US, THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THE THING FALLS OVER. DO YOU KNOW HOW CLOSE THE CLOSE THIS STRUCTURE TO THIS TOWER IS? UM, I DO NOT KNOW, BUT I KNOW TO THE, LET'S GO BACK, I KNOW THERE'S EXISTING STRUCTURE TO THE WEST, UM, OF THE PROPERTY, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW CLOSE THEY DID THEIR BEST. I MEAN, TO THE EAST THEY DID THEY BEST [00:55:01] TO PUT THE MONOPOLE AT THE, LIKE I SAID, THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. SO IT'S SOUTHWEST OF THE PROPERTY. AND THEN ON THE WEST SIDE THERE'S VACANT LOTS. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU MR. HAMPTON. THANK YOU. TWO QUESTIONS. UM, IN THE SUP CONDITIONS, IT CALLS OUT SOLID SCREENING, UM, BUT DOESN'T INCLUDE A HEIGHT. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A HEIGHT, UM, CALLED OUT AS SIX FOOT CMU ON THE SITE PLAN. IS THAT WHAT WILL GOVERN IN TERMS OF THE HEIGHT? UM, YES, IT WILL. SO IT WOULD BE DETERMINED AT, UH, PERMITTING. OKAY. MM-HMM . AND THEN WE OFTENTIMES LOOK AT LANDSCAPING OR OTHER, UM, MEASURES THAT WOULD SOFTEN THESE TYPES OF FENCES. WAS THAT ANYTHING CONSIDERED BY THE APPLICANT OR DISCUSSED? NOT AT THIS, NOT AT THIS TIME. OKAY. AND THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR ARTICLE 10 FOR, UH, CELLULAR TOWER, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . AND JUST AS A POINT OF INFORMATION FOR CELLULAR TOWERS, THERE'S ADDITIONAL REVIEW REQUIREMENTS, WHICH I THINK WE'VE HAD ON SOME OF OUR RECENT CASES. IS THAT CORRECT IN TERMS OF HOW WE REVIEW THOSE AND WHAT OUR PURVIEW IS? UM, CAN YOU RESTATE THAT? THE ADDITIONAL LEGISLATIVE REQUIREMENT, LEGISLATIVE REQUIREMENTS REGARDING, UM, CELLULAR TOWERS THAT HAVE COME UP ON PREVIOUS CASES. I WAS JUST NOTING THAT FOR OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHAT OUR PURVIEW IS FOR REVIEW. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. COMMISSIONER HALL, I, I THINK IN, IN ONE OR TWO MEETINGS AGO WE HEARD TESTIMONY THAT THESE CELL TOWERS ARE DESIGNED TO COLLAPSE RATHER THAN FALL. I I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, I I PAID WEIRDLY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THAT, THAT LAST, UH, RABBIT HOLE THAT OCCURRED ON THAT ONE. SO MY UNDERSTANDING WAS, UH, WITHOUT DISCUSSING THAT OTHER CASE IS THAT THEY COULDN'T USE A COLLAPSING ONE ON THAT CASE. SO THEY NEEDED FALL ZONE. AND SO WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE COLLAPSING TOWERS, ONES THAT GO STRAIGHT DOWN, THEY HAVE TO HAVE FALL ZONES. WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY, IF THIS ONE IS INTENDED TO BE A, A COLLAPSING ONE, BUT I, NOT EVERY SINGLE TOWER NEEDS A FALL ZONE IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS OF THOSE TOWERS CORRECTLY. OKAY. AND IS THIS, THIS CASE IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE, THE NEXT CASE ABOUT A GROUP HOME, IS THAT CORRECT? THEY'RE BOTH THE CORNERSTONE CHURCH PROPERTIES. IT'S A BLOCK AWAY. OH, OKAY. SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ON THE SAME BLOCK, BUT IT'S UP IT'S BLOCK DOWN. OH, IT'S A BLOCK DOWN. YEAH, THEY'RE NOT RIGHT NEXT DOOR. 'CAUSE BECAUSE I WAS THINKING IF THESE WERE ADJACENT, YOU'VE GOT A, A RESIDENTIAL GROUP HOME RIGHT NEXT TO THIS TOWER, WHICH WAS SORT OF THE POINT OF POINT OF ONE OF THE LAST CASES WE HAD ALONG THIS AND LET'S JUST KEEP IT ON THIS CASE, PLEASE. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. CARPENTER. UH, GIVEN THE, UH, THE LATE TREND LATEST TREND OF RECOMMENDING PERMANENT SUVS, WHAT IS THE RATIONALE FOR 20 AND 20 IN THIS CASE? UM, I THINK FOR THIS CASE, UM, THIS IS MY FIRST, UH, CELLULAR TOWER. MM-HMM . SO I THINK I JUST WENT WITH THE STANDARD THAT WAS LISTED IN THE PREVIOUS CASE. UM, BUT OF COURSE, UM, THE BODY CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OR A MOTION TO CERTAINLY, YES, NO, YES. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THE FALL ZONE VERSUS COLLAPSE, BUT WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD GET REVIEWED DURING THE PERMITTING PROCESS OR DOES THAT I THINK THAT'S, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT'S THE GENERAL, THE HIGHER LEVEL, NOT NECESSARILY OUR PERMITTING DIVISION, BUT THE, THE FEDERAL, UH, APPROVALS FOR, FOR TOWERS IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. OKAY. I SEE. MISS, UH, MORRISON NODDING YOUR HEAD. COMMISSIONER HERBERT. SO I'M CURIOUS, I KNOW THIS IS IN DISTRICT SEVEN AND I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S A, A LARGE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, UM, IN A LOT OF KIDS IN THE AREA, THE SECURITY PARAMETERS, FENCING, WOULD IT BE NARROW FENCING? CAN WE EVEN ASK THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE FENCING? UM, BECAUSE THE SECURITY ASPECT FOR THIS LOCATION AND THE CHILDREN THAT, UM, OFTEN PLAY AROUND IT, UM, UH, IT'S A BIT CONCERNING EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THERE'S WAYS WE CAN, UM, SECURE IT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE FENCING IS, UH, SOLID SCREENING FENCE. PERFECT. SO JUST TO RELEASE SOME OF YOUR EAST, SO THE, UH, MONOPOLE IS FENCED INDIVIDUALLY AND THEN THE PROPERTY IS ALSO FENCED TOO. IF YOU SEE IN SOME OF MY PRITTS, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A GATE AROUND THE PROPERTY. SO THERE'S TWO LAYERS OF FENCING THAT CHILDREN AND ANYBODY WILL HAVE TO GET THROUGH BEFORE THEY CAN ACTUALLY GET TO THE MONOPOLE. RIGHT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE FENCING IS FOCUSED ON SECURING, UM, AND NOT THE AVERAGE FENCING THAT'S, UM, AROUND THE SITES, BUT, [01:00:01] UM, I'M SURE WELL, UH, THE REPRESENTATIVE IS TABITHA CAN TALK ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANKS. AND I WOULD, I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY THAT I'M GONNA GET YOU NEXT. COMMISSIONER WHEELER. I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT FENCING IS WITHIN OUR LAND USE PURVIEW, NOT, NOT THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE RESTRAINED BY FEDERAL LAW COMMISSIONER WHEELER. UM, WERE YOU AWARE, WERE Y'ALL, UH, WERE YOU AWARE THAT THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING LAST NIGHT OR SURROUNDING THIS CASE IN THE NEXT CASE? I WAS NOT AWARE. JUST, NO, I WAS NOT AWARE. OKAY. UM, UH, OKAY. I GUESS IT WAS . YEAH, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING THAT DID NOT HAVE, UM, THERE WAS NO OPPOSITIONS AND WE EXPLAINED IN GREAT DETAIL. ALRIGHT. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE CASE STAYING ON CONSENT, COMMISSIONER WHEELER? OR ARE YOU ASKING TO HELP? I, I, THAT WAS THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND THERE IS NO, NO MAJOR CONCERN. THIS IS NOT A HEAVY, UH, KID ZONE OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS. AND TOWERS THAT WE DO HAVE IN SOUTH DALLAS THAT THEY BUILT UP LATELY, UH, HAVE HAVE THE MEASUREMENTS THAT EVERYONE HAS SPOKE ABOUT. SO I DON'T, THERE IS NO, NOT ANY CONCERN. OKAY. YOU'RE KIND OF FADING THERE. SO I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY YOU'RE OKAY. IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ANY, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? I, I THINK YOU, I HEARD YOU SAY YOU'RE OKAY LEAVING IT ON CONSENT. I AM THERE, THERE IS NOT ANY CONCERN. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? JUST ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP, MS. BLUE, IS IT CORRECT THAT I'M, UM, FOLLOWING UP ON VICE CHAIR HERBERT'S QUESTION ON PAGE SIX 13 OF OUR CASE REPORT ON THE ENLARGED PLAN THAT IT INDICATES THAT IT'S A SIX FOOT TALL CMU FENCE, WHICH WOULD BE COMPLIANT WITH THE SOLID SCREENING AND THE SUP CONDITIONS? UM, YES. SO THE SCREENING JUST SAYS SOLID FENCE. IT DOESN'T GIVE A HEIGHT, BUT THE HEIGHT IS REGULATED BY OUR BASE CODE SO THEY CAN HAVE SIX FEET AS LONG AS IT'S NOT LOCATED IN THE FRONT YARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, CAN I ASK, AM I ABLE TO ASK FOR IT TO BE REMOVED FROM CONSENT BECAUSE I PLAN TO VOTE AGAINST THIS? YES. ANY MEMBER CAN, UM, ASK TO HAVE A CASE REMOVED FROM CONSENT, I WOULD LIKE TO DO SO. THANK YOU. AND ARE WE ALLOWED TO HAVE PEOPLE NOTE THEIR OPPOSITION TO AN ITEM WHILE LEAVING IT ON CONSENT OR DO WE NO. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE, MOVE CONSENT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WHY DON'T WE TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK. IT'S NOW 10 0 7. LET'S COME BACK AT 10 17. PROCEED. OKAY. THIS IS CASE Z DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 7 5. UM, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A NEW SUP UH, TO ALLOW GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY, UH, WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF AN EXISTING GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY. IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF PARK ROW AVENUE, UM, JUST NORTHEAST OF COLONIAL AVENUE AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 0.329 ACRES. SO THE SITE IS CURRENTLY ON THE PROPERTY ZONE, SUBD DRIFT, SUBDISTRICT, FWMU THREE WITHIN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 5 95, WHICH IS THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT. UM, THE SUB-DISTRICT IS A FORM-BASED DISTRICT. IT'S A WALKABLE URBAN MIXED USE AT A LOWER INTENSITY. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A, AN EXISTING TWO STORY STRUCTURE, UH, TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 5,076 SQUARE FEET. AND IT'S IN COUNCIL DISTRICT SEVEN. SO JUST SOME BACKGROUND. UM, THE GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY IS AN INTERIM OR PERMANENT RESIDENTIAL FACILITY THAT PROVIDES ROOM AND BOARD TO GROUPS OF PERSONS WHO ARE NOT A FAMILY. UM, SO THIS USE DOES NOT INCLUDE FACILITIES THAT NEGOTIATE, UH, SLEEPING ARRANGEMENTS ON A DAILY BASIS. UM, AND IT DOES NOT INCLUDE DWELLING UNITS THAT ARE OCCUPIED BY, UM, PEOPLE WITH FAMILIAL RELATIONS. THE SUBDISTRICT OF, UM, THIS PD DOES REQUIRE THAT AN SUP BE APPROVED WHEN THE USES WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF AN EXISTING, UM, PROPERTY WITH THE SAME USE. SO THE PROPOSED GROUP RESIDENTIAL, UH, FACILITY IS 168 AND A HALF FEET FROM AN EXISTING GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY. THIS IS WHERE IT'S LOCATED IN, UH, DALLAS. IT'S IN THE SOUTH DALLAS NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THIS IS THE AERIAL OF THIS LOCATION. UM, SO THE PREVIOUS CASE WAS TO THE, UH, SOUTHEAST. THIS IS THE LAND USE FOR THE AREA. SO, UM, [01:05:01] THERE IS MULTI-FAMILY NEXT DOOR AND THEN MULTI-FAMILY TO THE SOUTHEAST. THIS WAS, UH, THAT SENIOR LIVING, UM, LOCATION THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT IN THE PREVIOUS CASE. MUCH OF THE AREA IS VACANT OR UNDEVELOPED, UM, OR SINGLE FAMILY ACROSS THE STREET AND THEN FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD. UM, AND THE GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY IS JUST CROPPED OUT OF THIS PHOTO. UM, IT'S WHERE MY CURSOR IS CURRENTLY, THE GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY AT THIS LOCATION, THEY OWN TWO ADDITIONAL PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT ARE TO THE NORTHEAST, UM, UP PARK, ROW AVENUE. UM, THOSE ARE USED AS OFFICE USES. THE CURRENT, UH, GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY THAT IS ALREADY EXISTING AT THIS LOCATION. I BELIEVE THAT THEY GOT THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY EARLIER THIS YEAR. THIS IS ON PARK ROW AVENUE LOOKING SOUTHEAST. SO THIS IS LOOKING DIRECTLY AT THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY HAD THEIR ZONING SIGN OUT. AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF IS, UM, UNDER REPAIR. UH, SO THE, THE APPLICANTS ARE WAITING ON, UH, THEIR BUILDING PERMITS. THEY'RE WAITING ON THIS SUP UH, RESULTS. THIS IS ON PARK ROW AVENUE LOOKING EAST. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS, UM, LARGE FENCING AROUND THE PROPERTY LOOKING SOUTH FROM THE OTHER END. THIS IS THE ALLEY TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. UM, I'LL SPEAK ON THIS IN A, IN A MOMENT WHEN I GET TO THE SITE PLAN, BUT, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN NOTIFIED THAT THIS ALLEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO COME INTO CONFORMANCE WITH CODE. UM, THE, UH, FORM-BASED ESSENCE OF THE PD AT THIS LOCATION DOES REQUIRE THAT PARKING BE TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTIES AND NOT, UM, BETWEEN THE FRONT BUILD LINE AND THE FRONTAGE. UM, SO THEY HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED, UH, THEY ARE OKAY WITH THAT. UH, THIS IS THE REAR OF THE ALLEY LOOKING WEST, SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE, THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY WITH THAT FENCING. UM, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO BRING THE ALLEY INTO CONFORMANCE ALL THE WAY UP TO THEIR, UM, FAR PROPERTY LINE. UM, AND AT A MINIMUM OF 10 FEET. AND THEN AGAIN, THEY DID HAVE THEIR ZONING SIGNS PLACED. UM, SO THE PLACE TYPE AT THIS LOCATION IS COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL. THE PLACE TYPE SURROUNDING THIS LOCATION IS COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I EMPHASIZED IN MY REPORT, UM, WITH BOTH COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL AND FORWARD DALLAS 2.0 WAS THAT THEY EMPHASIZE, UM, EXPANDING HOUSING OPTIONS IN DALLAS AND PROVIDING DIVERSE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES. UM, I BELIEVE THAT THIS DOES SATISFY THAT THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. UM, AND ENLARGED, UH, SO THIS IS THE END WITH PARK ROW, UM, AVENUE, WHICH IS THE FRONTAGE. YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PARKING PLACED IN THE FRONT AND INSTEAD OF PLACED THEIR PARKING IN THE REAR. UM, AND THEN IT'S GOOD TO NOTE THAT THEY ARE NOT, UM, PROPOSING ANY ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT TO THIS PROPERTY. UH, BEYOND JUST REPAIRING THE CURRENT STRUCTURE, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, UH, FOR A PERMANENT TIME PERIOD SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, ARE YOU AWARE OF THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS WERE AROUND THIS? YES, MA'AM. I, I SPOKE TO THE APPLICANT THIS MORNING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND WAS TOLD THAT IT WENT WELL AND THAT THERE WERE LIMITED CONCERNS, IF ANY. UM, AND ALSO ARE, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THIS IS, UM, THIS PROJECT IS A PART OF AN OVERALL PROJECT THAT IS WITH CORNERSTONE CHURCH AND COM CORNERSTONE CDC FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS OF OF THE COMMUNITY? I WAS NOT NECESSARILY AWARE THAT IT WAS PART OF A LARGER PROJECT, BUT I WAS SEMI AWARE THAT CORNERSTONE WAS DOING MULTIPLE DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE AREA. UM, AND THAT THE, THAT THE ONLY REASON THAT THEY'RE NEEDING THIS SUP IS UM, BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO MEN OF NEHEMIAH. YES, MA'AM. THAT IS TRUE. UM, SO THE, THE MEN, NEHEMIAH IS THE, THE OTHER, UM, THE EXISTING GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY, THEY DID NOT REQUIRE AN SUP. THEY WERE ALLOWED TO GO IN BY RIGHTS. UM, THE ONLY REASON THAT THIS GROUP HOME OR GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY IS REQUESTING THIS SUP IS BECAUSE THE MEN, AYA ARE ALREADY IN THE AREA. AND THE REASON THAT THIS SUP IS REQUIRED ALSO IS BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH IT'S LABELED AS A GROUP HOME, THAT IT IS ALSO, UH, BUT IT'S MORE FOR, UM, MOTHERS WAITED MO I MEAN MOTHERS WITH CHILDREN TO HAVE THEIR OWN SPACE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. I'M NOT NECESSARILY AWARE OF THE SPECIFICS AS TO WHY THEY'RE MAKING THE REQUEST. I WAS DOING MORE OF A REVIEW OF WHETHER OR NOT THE LAND USE WAS APPROPRIATE. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? COMMISSIONER SIMS? ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO NUMBER EIGHT. MR. PEPE. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU MR. GREGORY. [01:10:49] ALRIGHT, GOOD MORNING. UM, THIS IS Z 2 5 0 0 0 1 6 1. AND THIS IS LOCATED ABOUT AS FAR SOUTHEAST AS YOU CAN GO IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PD 5 1 2. UH, ON THE WEST CORNER OF EAST STARK ROAD IN SEAVILLE ROAD. WHOLE PD IS ABOUT A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED ACRES AND THIS IS TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW PUBLIC ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOL ON THE EASTERN CORNER OF THIS SITE. HERE'S THE WHOLE SITE. UM, AGAIN, WE'RE REMAINING THE WHOLE PD, SO IT DOES INCLUDE ALL OF THIS AREA, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT IS LIMITED TO THE EASTERN MOST CORNER. UH, WE'VE GOT SEVILLE HIGH SCHOOL AND SEVILLE MIDDLE SCHOOL THERE RIGHT NOW WITHIN THE PD, UM, PD SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY IN THE WEST, NORTHWEST NORTH. THERE'S SOME MULTIFAMILY TO THE NORTHEAST. THERE'S SOME SINGLE FAMILY TO THE NORTHEAST AND A RETAIL CORNER, UH, AT STARK AND SEVILLE CADDY CORN TO WHERE OUR, UH, CASE IS DEVELOPING. AND THEN SOUTHEAST ACROSS THE ROAD IS, UH, OUTSIDE CITY LIMIT. SO THEY ARE PROPOSING THAT PUBLIC AND ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOL. UM, CURRENTLY THE PD GENERALLY DEFAULTS TO OUR ONE HALF ACRE USES, PLUS IT ALLOWS PUBLIC SCHOOL USES. UM, I WAS HERE NOT TOO LONG AGO WITH IN 2023 TO WORK ON SEVILLE HIGH SCHOOL'S EXPANSION. SO WE DID THAT AMENDMENT A COUPLE YEARS BACK. UM, THIS NEW AMENDED PLAN WOULD, UH, ADD A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO THERE'S, THERE'S ONE FOR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, ONE FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL, AND NOW THERE'D BE ONE FOR THIS, UH, THIRD SCHOOL, UM, SEPARATE FACILITY ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE SITE. UM, THAT FACILITY WOULD HAVE A NEW TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN. LET'S GO DOWN TO THE SITE. UM, MY PHOTOS ARE PRIMARILY LIMITED TO THE ADJACENT OR THE IMMEDIATE AREA OF DEVELOPMENT. SO HERE WE ARE. THIS IS ACTUALLY, YEAH, THIS IS ON SEAVILLE ROAD. PLEASE DON'T MIND MY ARROWS ON THE, UH, ON THE MINI MAP THERE. BUT THIS IS ON SEAVILLE ROAD, LOOKING SOUTHWEST STILL. AND THEN THERE'S A LOW SPOT AND THEN KIND OF ANOTHER OPEN SPOT. UM, THIS IS KIND OF THE HEART OF FURTHER REDEVELOPMENT WOULD BE. UM, AND I, I LIKE THESE PHOTOS 'CAUSE MOST OF THE SCHOOL IS IN FRONT OF THESE OLD KINDA LEGACY TREES. UM, SO THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THOSE. THEY KIND OF PICKED THE, UH, THE LEAST FORESTED CORNER OF THE SITE. IF YOU LOOK, IT'S BETTER ON AN AERIAL. UM, AND THEN THEY HAVE SOME TRAFFIC, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL THEM, CIRCULATION LANES THAT KIND OF WEAVE THROUGH A COUPLE OF, OF THE TREES THAT GO DOWN HERE TO STARK. I'M TURNING THE CORNER ONTO STARK STARK'S, A LITTLE SHADIER, UM, GOING DOWN STARK. UM, THERE'S FENCES UP ALREADY 'CAUSE CONSTRUCTION OF SEVILLE HIGH SCHOOL. THE ADDITION TO SEAVILLE HIGH SCHOOL IS ALREADY UNDERWAY. THAT PROJECT WILL INCLUDE SIDEWALKS ON STARK. THEN THIS ONE WILL INCLUDE SIDEWALKS ON SEVILLE, KIND OF COMPLETING THE LINK AROUND THE WHOLE A HUNDRED ACRES OF SITE, WHICH IS NEW SMALL FEAT. SO THAT, THAT WAS THE SITE. NOW WE'RE AT THE CORNER OF SEAVILLE AND STARK LOOKING EAST. NOW I'M LOOKING EAST ALONG SEAGOVILLE AND GOING UP TOWARDS THE, UH, MIDDLE SCHOOL. AND THEN THAT'S THE, THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE NORTH MOST DRIVEWAY OF, UM, WHERE THIS SCHOOL'S DRIVEWAY WILL BE. SO NO CHANGES TO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. THEY, THEY GOT A LOT OF LAND TO WORK WITH, RIGHT? UM, SO THINGS ARE SET BACK, UM, A, A GOOD AMOUNT FROM THE ROAD. THIS ONE, THANKFULLY CAN KIND OF WORK BETWEEN THE ROAD AND THE, UM, UH, THE, THE TREE PRESERVE BEHIND IT. SO NO CHANGES TO THAT. UM, NEW SIDEWALKS ARE, ARE, LIKE I SAID, ARE PROPOSED ALONG. UM, THE STARK, NO, YEAH, THE SEAVILLE ROAD FRONTAGE. YOU CAN SEE THAT HERE IF YOU HAVE A MAGNIFYING GLASS. UM, BUT I USE THIS [01:15:01] TO DEMONSTRATE THAT. YOU CAN SEE THE SCHOOL IS PUSHED UP AS MUCH AS WE CAN TOWARDS SEAVILLE PRESERVES OUR TREES IN THE, IN THE BACK AREA BEHIND, UM, BEHIND THE NEW SCHOOL. UM, RECONFIGURES ONE OF THE, UM, CIRCULATION LANES FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL. SO IT DOESN'T ADD A DRIVEWAY UP THERE, BUT IT ADDS A NEW ACCESS POINT, UM, TO THIS SCHOOL. THEN THERE ARE A COUPLE ACCESS POINTS ALONG, UM, SEAVILLE AS YOU GO FURTHER SOUTH, AND THEN A COUPLE ON STARK, WHICH IS, IS MOSTLY BROKEN UP. UH, DUE TO THE GIANT SIZE OF THOSE FRONTAGES, WE WEREN'T TOO CONCERNED ABOUT ADDING DRIVEWAYS. UM, AND THE DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE ADDED ARE, ARE UP TO CODE AND, AND WILL HAVE IMPROVED SIDEWALKS ALONG THEM. UM, STANDARD DISD, UM, DESIGN STANDARDS YOU MAY SEE, INCLUDING FENCING LANGUAGE, UM, BUFFERED SIDEWALKS WITH THE BIG TRIGGERED BY A CO. UM, IN THIS CASE FOR THIS, FOR THIS SCHOOL. UM, THE PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES SCATTERED ALONG THE WAY AND INTERNAL ACCESS PATH TO GET FROM THAT SIDEWALK TO THE SCHOOL ACTUALLY. WHOOPS, THAT'S FORWARD DALLAS. SO CONSISTENCY. WE ARE IN A COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL AREA. UM, CIVIC INSTITUTIONAL USES ARE SUPPORTING USE IN THIS LAND USE TYPE. UM, THINK WE CAN ALWAYS APPROVE A SUPPORTING OR SECONDARY USE IN A PLACE TYPE IF THE SITE CHARACTERISTICS ARE APPROPRIATE OR IF THE, UH, LIMITS ON THAT PARTICULAR USE ARE APPROPRIATE. IN THIS CASE, DEFINITELY APPROPRIATE DUE TO THE SIZE OF THE SITE LOCATION ON THESE, UM, LARGER STREETS. UM, AND THEN THE CONDITIONS AND LIMITS THAT ARE PLACED ON THESE SCHOOLS, THEY CAN ONLY BUILD WHERE THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLANS ARE. THEY CAN ONLY BUILD ACCORDING TO A, UH, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND THEY HAVE TO IMPROVE THE, THE PUBLIC REALM ALONG THOSE FRONTAGES. SO WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS. QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. PEPPY. COMMISSIONER KOUTS, COULD YOU POINT OUT, THIS LOOKS LIKE A SITE THAT IS ONE OF THOSE RARE CASES WHERE THE PICKUP AND DROP OFF LANES ARE NOT GOING TO IMPACT THE ADJACENT STREETS. COULD YOU JUST POINT OUT IN THE PLAN WHERE THOSE ROUTES ARE IN ARE GOING TO OCCUR? YEAH, AND, AND, AND FOR THAT QUESTION, I WISH I INCLUDED, UH, THE TMP TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN DIAGRAM ON HERE. THEY, THEY'VE GOT, LIKE I SAID, LOTS OF SPACE TO QUEUE AND ACTUALLY IT'S, IT'S KINDA CUTE. THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO ADD QUITE SO MUCH PAVEMENT, UM, BECAUSE MY ME POINTING DOES NOTHING FOR YOU. BUT, UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT ONE OF THE, THERE'LL HAVE TWO QUEUING AREAS. YOU CAN SEE MY CLICKER, I THINK THOUGH. THIS NORTHERN AREA IS FOR ONE SET OF, OF CUES. UM, SO THAT IS FOR ONE OF THEIR, THEIR GRADE SETS AND THEY KEEP THEM SEPARATE THERE. AND SO THOSE ARE THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, UM, AREA. SO THAT'S ALL SELF-CONTAINED, DROP OFF. IT USES AN EXISTING ACCESS POINT FROM STARK ROAD, BUT THEN KIND OF VEERS OFF, UM, AWAY FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THEN TOWARDS THIS FACILITY. AND IT IS COMPLETELY SELF-CONTAINED QUEUE WITH A SURPLUS, UM, WITH SURPLUS, UM, QUEUING SPACE OF 32 VEHICLES SURPLUS OVER THEIR PROJECTED PEAK. SO THEY'D HAVE A LOT OF EXTRA SPACE THERE. IN THE SOUTH IS WHERE THEY DROP OFF ELEMENTARY STUDENTS AND THOSE STUDENTS OR THAT QUEUE WILL HAVE A, UM, A SURPLUS AS WELL. BUT WHERE I SAID THAT THEY MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL PAVEMENT WHILE STILL HAVING A HIGH AMOUNT QUEUING IS THEY CAN ACTUALLY QUEUE DOWN HERE THROUGH THE HIGH SCHOOL'S QUEUING AREA BECAUSE THE HIGH SCHOOL DROP OFF TIME IN THE ELEMENTARY TIMES ARE VERY DIFFERENT. THEY CAN JUST, AFTER, I THINK IT'S AFTER HIGH SCHOOL ENDS, THEY CAN BEGIN THE ELEMENTARY QUEUING DOWN THERE AND THEN THEY DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, CONFLICT THERE. BUT THEN THEY ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF RECYCLE THAT, THAT PAVED SPACE. AND WE HAVE A TON OF QUEUING CAPACITY HERE, SO NO ISSUE ON EITHER OF THOSE. UM, THEY, THEY DO PROJECT THAT THIS IS A SITE THAT MAYBE HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, PEOPLE DRIVEN IN OR BUST IN FROM OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT'S AN ACADEMY. IT'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT EDUCATIONAL MODEL THAN IS, UH, SEVILLE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL. UM, BUT BASED ON THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ACCOUNTED FOR IN THEIR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN. AND SO WE HAVE A SURPLUS SPACE FOR IT AND, UM, IN A, IN A FAIRLY CLEVER WAY TO, UM, REUSE PAPER. AND WE'RE NOT KILLING TOO MANY TREES DOWN HERE. [01:20:03] COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, WE WILL MOVE ON TO CASE NUMBER NINE, MS. GARZA. GOOD MORNING. ITEM NINE IS KZ 25 1 28. THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT 2355 FOR A LAID OUT ESTABLISHMENT, LIMITED TO AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE HIST ESTABLISHMENT FOR A BAR, LOUNGE, OR TAVERN USE ON PROPERTY ZONED, UH, PD 8 42. IT IS LOCATED ON THE WEST LINE OF GREENVILLE AVENUE, SOUTHEAST OF ROSE AVENUE. IT'S WITHIN DISTRICT 14. IT, THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP. THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP AND THIS IS THE ZONING MAPS. THE SURROUNDING USES ARE PERSONAL SERVICE, UH, RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL. THE AREA CODE IS WITHIN A 24,215 SQUARE FOOT SHOPPING CENTER CONTAINING A MIX OF USES. THE APPLICANT BEGAN OPERATING THE USE IN 1965. UH, SO PER PD, UH, 8 42, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR LATE HOURS IS REQUIRED FOR THE ASSESSMENT TO OPERATE AFTER MIDNIGHT. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONTINUE OPERATING FROM 11:00 AM TO 2:00 AM THE NEXT DAY, MONDAY, SUNDAY, ON DECEMBER, UH, 2011. CITY COUNCIL APPROVED SAP 1922 FOR A LAID OUT ESTABLISHMENT. HOWEVER, UM, IN 2 20 15, CITY PLAN COMMISSION DENIED THE RENEWAL OF THAT, UH, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. SO, AND THEN BETWEEN 2015 AND 2018, THERE WAS NO SUP. AND THEN, UM, JANUARY OF 2020, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE CREATION OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT 2355 FOR A ONE YEAR PERIOD. AND THEN THIS SUP WAS SUBSEQUENTLY APPROVED FOR A TWO YEAR RENEWAL IN JANUARY OF 2021 AND A THREE YEAR RENEWAL ON JANUARY 25, UH, 2023. THE CURRENT QUIZZES TO RENEW THEY USE FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD. THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS ON SITE LOOKING SOUTHWEST AND THEN SURROUNDING USES ON SITE LOOKING SOUTHEAST, SOUTHEAST, AGAIN NORTHWEST, THEN WEST, AND THEN NORTHWEST NORTH. AND THEN, UM, PER THE $4 2.0, IT IS WITHIN THE CITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE. AND THEN STATE RECOMMENDATION, DUE TO THE LENGTH OF THE TIME OF THE USE HAS OPERATED, THE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD STAFF RECOMMENDS, UM, NO EXPIRATION. UH, SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU KNOW WHY THE SUP WAS DENIED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME ON THIS SITE? NO. WOULD IT SURPRISE YOU TO LEARN THAT IT WAS NOT SUPPORTED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT ONE TIME BECAUSE OF WHO THE OPERATOR WAS AND THE WAY THEY WERE OPERATING IT? WE, WE DON'T GO BY THE OPERATOR. WE GO, UM, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS BASED ON THE USE. THAT, THAT'S NOT A, A RESPONSE TO MY ANSWER. I MEAN, MY QUESTION, WOULD IT SURPRISE YOU TO LEARN THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DIDN'T SUPPORT THE RENEWAL OF THAT SUP AT THAT TIME BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE OPERATOR WAS USING THE LAND? NO. OKAY. I KNOW THAT YOUR STAFF REPORT DOESN'T EVEN MENTION 51 A DASH 4.219 THE CRITERIA FOR GRANTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, YOU ONLY ADDRESS THE CRITERIA IN PD 8 42. CAN YOU TELL ME WHY YOU DID NOT EVALUATE THE CRITERIA FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS IN GENERAL? WE DID, AS I MENTIONED, IT WAS BASED ON THE USE. AND I DO SEE RIGHT NOW THAT I DID, UM, FORGET TO INCLUDE THAT, UM, LANGUAGE INTO THE REPORT. SO I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. AND THE REVIEW IS STILL CONDUCTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS THEIR CRITERIA FOR A [01:25:01] SPECIFIC USE. BUT, UM, IT WAS NOT IN THE REPORT, BUT IT'S STILL PART OF THE REVIEW. CERTAINLY. NOW, YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THIS SUP BE GRANTED PERMANENTLY, CORRECT? YES. UM, AND THAT RECOMMENDATION DOESN'T EVEN MENTION THE CRITERIA FOR SUVS UNDER OUR CODE, RIGHT? ON THE REPORT, NO. OKAY. AND THIS ESTABLISHMENT, YOU UNDERSTAND IF THE OWNER, THE CURRENT OWNER WHO HAPPENS TO BE A GOOD OPERATOR WERE TO SELL THE BUILDING, IT COULD BE OCCUPIED BY SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT SUCH A GOOD OPERATOR, RIGHT? YES. YET, BECAUSE THE SUP RUNS WITH THE LAND, IT DOESN'T RUN WITH THE OPERATOR, RIGHT? YES. AND SO WERE THAT TO HAPPEN, WE WOULD HAVE TO AUTHORIZE A HEARING TO REVOKE THE SUP. YES. NOW, THE APPLICANT IS ONLY ASK IS ASKING FOR FIVE YEARS. YES. AND YOU DON'T THINK THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH? I BELIEVE, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, WAS PERMANENT. SO THE FIVE YEARS WAS WITHIN THAT PERMIT. SO STAFF IS OKAY WITH THAT, BUT BASED ON THE LENGTH OF THE TIME, AND THAT IS COMPAT, THE USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SITE STAFF RECOMMENDED PERMANENT, HOWEVER, IT IS THAT CPCS RECOMMENDATION DISCRETION IF YOU GUYS WANNA DO THE FIVE YEARS, UM, INSTEAD OF THE PERMANENT. WELL, YOU UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE REASON WE HAVE SPECIAL USE PERMITS IS SO THAT THIS BODY AND COUNSEL CAN PERIODICALLY REVIEW USES TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE CONTINUING TO COMPLY WITH THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS TO HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, RIGHT? YES. AND SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY STAFF NOW IS ROUTINELY RECOMMENDING THAT THAT OVERSIGHT BE STRIPPED AWAY FROM COMMUNITIES. I WOULD LOVE TO SPEAK TO THAT. SO I, I WILL SAY IT'S, IT'S NOT OUR FINDING THAT NECESSARILY THAT'S THE POINT OF SUVS IS TO HAVE TIME PERIODS. THE, THE POINT OF SUVS IS TO APPROVE USES THAT, UM, MAY NEED PARTICULAR ADDITIONAL REVIEW OR LIMITS PLACED ON. THAT'S WHY THEY WORK THAT WAY, THAT WE HAVE CONDITIONS AND PLANS. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING INNATE ABOUT SUVS THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE TIME PERIODS. UM, AND FOR MANY YEARS, SUVS WERE APPROVED WITH MAINLY FOR PERMANENT TIME PERIODS AND SUCH AS THE CASE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE ANALOGS OF SUVS AND IN MANY PEER CITIES AND, AND OTHER THINGS. SO THAT IS, I GUESS THAT'S OUR, OUR FEELING ON THE MATTER IS THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE POINT OF AN SUP IS TO BE TEMPORARY. THE POINT OF AN SEP IS TO PUT FENCES, I SAY I SAY FENCES. SO SOMETIMES THERE ARE LITERAL FENCES, SOMETIMES THEY'RE METAPHORICAL FENCES, BUT METAPHORICAL FENCES ON, UM, ON A USE, UM, WITH THE FORCE OF ORDINANCE THAT HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED OVER TIME. SO IF THEY CHANGE THOSE, THEN THAT'S WHEN, UM, IF THEY STOP MEETING THOSE FENCES, THEY STOP, THEY GO BEYOND WHAT THEY'VE BEEN APPROVED FOR. THAT IS WHEN THEY HAVE TO COME BACK. I THINK I'VE MADE MY POINT. THANK YOU. JUST ONE CLARIFICATION FOR OUR NEW MEMBERS. IF STAFF RECOMMENDS A PERMANENT SUP, IT'S CORRECT THAT THIS BODY COULD STILL DECIDE TO DO TWO YEARS, FIVE YEARS, THREE YEARS, OR ANYTHING IN BETWEEN, CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. GREAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I JUST HAD ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON THE TECHNICAL INFORMATION. YOUR BRIEFING IN OUR CASE REPORT BEGINS BY SAYING THAT THE SITE AREA IS 2,215. I BELIEVE THE ACTUAL SUP IS FOR 1,540. I THINK THAT MAY JUST BE A TYPO. I SAW IN YOUR REQUEST OR IN YOUR, UM, REPORT THAT THE SHOPPING CENTER IS 24 2 15. YES. OKAY. SO THE AREA, THE WHOLE TIRES, UM, PLAZA IS THE 24, BUT THE ACTUAL SUP IS THE 1,540. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. OH, ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT, THAT CONCLUDES OUR BRIEFING OF ZONING ITEMS. UM, FOR NEW MEMBERS, TYPICALLY WE DON'T BRIEF SUBDIVISION CASES, WHICH ARE PLATS. UM, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, THOSE ARE OUR CONSIDERATION OF PLATS IS QUASI-JUDICIAL, WHICH MEANS THAT WE CAN'T CON WE CAN'T DISCUSS THEM OUTSIDE OF THE HORSESHOE. AND I, I BELIEVE EVERYONE LEARNS ABOUT THIS IN THEIR ETHICS TRAINING, BUT IT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND IF SOMEONE DOES APPROACH YOU TO TALK ABOUT THEM, DON'T [01:30:01] TALK ABOUT THEM. AND WE DO NEED TO DISCLOSE ON THE RECORD IF THERE HAVE BEEN ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS ON A PLAT. AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE CAN DEFINITELY GIVE YOU GUIDANCE IF THAT COMES UP, WHICH IT JUST DOES FROM, FROM TIME TO TIME. SO WE TYPICALLY DON'T BRIEF PLATS, BUT IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE ONE BRIEFED, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT EITHER NOW OR IN THE AFTERNOON AT THE PUBLIC HEARING EMAILS AS WELL. OH, YEAH. AND THAT INCLUDE THOSE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS THAT WE NEED TO DISCLOSE, INCLUDE EMAILS TO YOU, NOT JUST IN PERSON COMMUNICATIONS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER OR VICE CHAIR HERBERT FOR THAT REMINDER. C OH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. IT WORKS. ITS WAY DOWN. IT'S LIKE A LITTLE GAME OF TELEPHONE . YEP. I THINK WE'LL GO TO OUR, UM, CALENDAR, UM, FOR 2026 RIGHT NOW, SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND ASK, ASK STAFF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT SINCE IT'S ONLY 10 52. UM, SO MR. PEPE, DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU WANTED TO PROVIDE ON THAT? I CAN. AND, AND I JUST WANTED TO, YEAH, I MEAN, THIS IS, JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE, THIS IS THE BRIEFING. WE CAN'T DO MUCH BACK AND FORTH ON IT, BUT WE CAN DO QUESTION ASKING IF WE WANTED TO SAVE SOME TIME FOR LATER. BUT YEAH. UM, MAINLY YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE THAT I BELIEVE THIS HAS AN ADDITIONAL MEETING FROM LAST YEAR, HAS MORE MEETINGS THAN LAST YEAR. UM, BY ONE, THERE WOULD BE ONE IN JANUARY ON THE 15TH. UM, MAINLY THE FIRST AND EIGHTH WERE NOT CONSIDERED, UM, AS MEETING DATES DUE TO WHERE THOSE DEADLINES FALL. SO MUCH OF THE PREPARATION AND MAILING FOR THOSE ARE EXACTLY FALL ACTUALLY ON, IN THE CASE OF THE FIRST ON, UM, CHRISTMAS EVE AND DAY. AND THEN, UM, THE EARLY PREP FOR THE EIGHTH WOULD BE CHRISTMAS EVE AND DAY. AND THEN THE, THE ACTUAL POSTING WOULD BE ON NEW YEAR'S EVE DAY . UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T LOOK AT ONE IN EIGHT FOR THOSE DATES. AND THEN IT'S PRETTY STANDARD FEBRUARY, UM, MARCH, UH, MOVES ONE TO THE END OF MARCH. UM, 'CAUSE MANY PEOPLE HAVE SPRING BREAK, UM, ON THE NINE WEEK OF THE 19TH. UM, STILL WORKS BECAUSE APRIL, THE FIRST WEEK OF APRIL HAS THE, UM, HOLY WEEK FOR MANY. UM, AND THEN WE WOULD JUST FOLLOW UP WITH THE MEETING AFTER THAT. IT'S STILL TWO WEEKS AND APRIL. UM, OUR NATIONAL A PA, UM, ACTUALLY DOESN'T REALLY CONFLICT WITH A, UM, A MEETING GENERALLY IN APRIL. SO WE DIDN'T, UM, PUT ANYTHING OFF ON THERE. UM, WE ALSO MAY NOT BE SENDING AS MANY PEOPLE WITH OUR, WITH OUR BUDGET RIGHT NOW, UM, TO NATIONAL A PA. SO, UM, WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TWO MEETINGS IN APRIL IN THIS PROPOSAL. UH, STANDARD MAY PRETTY STANDARD JUNE, UM, THIS YEAR. WE HAD, UM, ONE MEETING IN JULY. UM, IT WAS THE SECOND OR ONE. YEAH, WE HAD ONE MEETING IN JULY, AND THEN WE HAD THAT MEETING IN THE EARLY PART OF JULY, UH, BASED ON WORKING WITH, WITH THE REST OF OUR STAFF. AND, AND, UM, INTERNALLY, WE, WE SAID IF WE HAD, IF WE HAD, UM, A WEEK OFF IN JULY, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BETTER OFF, UM, FOR THE SAKE OF STAFF AND, AND EVERYONE WHO WOULD, WHO'D LIKE TO TAKE SOME TIME WITH FAMILY. UM, THAT WOULD BE AN EARLY JULY THAT WE TAKE A, UM, MEETING OFF AND THEN HAVE THAT MEETING IN LATE JULY. AND THEN I'D JUST ADD THAT IF YOU HAD A MEETING IN EARLY JULY, THEY'D STILL BE GOING TO AUGUST COUNCIL. UM, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULDN'T, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE A MONTH PLUS TURNAROUND, UM, TO HEAR, HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING. UM, THERE'S LESS OF A GAP IF THEY'RE, IF THEY HAVE A LATE JULY MEETING. STANDARD AUGUST, STANDARD SEPTEMBER, UM, STANDARD OCTOBER, NO CONFLICTS WITH OUR HOLIDAYS. AND MONTHS OF SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, UM, ACTUALLY TWO MEETINGS IN NOVEMBER. UH, STILL HAVE ONE EARLIER BETWEEN BEFORE THAT THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY. AND THEN ACTUALLY, UH, IT IS TIME BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN EARLY DECEMBER MEETING AND ON THE THIRD YOU STILL HAVE TIME FOR ACTUALLY A SECOND MEETING IN, IN DECEMBER, UM, BEFORE THE, UH, MULTIPLE WEEKS OF, UH, THE HOLIDAYS IN DECEMBER. SO THAT'S MY WALKTHROUGH OF IT. BUT YEAH, I CAN DO QUESTIONS, BUT WE SHOULDN'T GO TOO MUCH BACK AND FORTH ON THE POTTY. ANYONE? COMMISSIONER WHEELER? I I CAN HOP IN. OH, GO AHEAD AND MICROPHONE PLEASE. SO EAPA STARTS AT SATURDAY AFTER, UM, THE 23RD MEETING. IT'S APRIL 20, IT'S LATE, IT'S AT THE END OF APRIL. IT'S APRIL 25TH. IT IS AT THE END OF APRIL. YEAH. SO IT WOULD BE AFTER THE, UM, AFTER THE APRIL 23 MEETING IS WHEN NATIONAL A PA IS SCHEDULED. OKAY. IS THAT GONNA BE A LATE, LATE DOCKET? WE'RE GONNA START LEAVING THAT DAY. OKAY. AND, AND WHAT IS A PA FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE NEW HERE? YEAH, HA, HAPPY TO SAY A PA, THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION [01:35:01] IS THE NATIONAL BODY THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, OVERSEES AND, AND, AND, UM, DOES RESEARCH FOR PLANNING IN THE UNITED STATES. UM, NATIONAL A PA IS THE CONFERENCE THAT THEY HOLD NATIONALLY. IT TRAVELS AROUND THE COUNTRY. UM, AND SO WE, WE LIKE TO SEND PEOPLE AS MUCH AS WE CAN, KEEP PEOPLE AS EDUCATED ON THE, UH, BEST PRACTICES IN THE FIELD. UM, BUT IT SHOULDN'T DIRECTLY CONFLICT WITH A MEETING IN THIS. UM, IT'S MOSTLY ON A WEEKEND, UM, THIS PARTICULAR YEAR. SO IT SHOULDN'T BE A HUGE ISSUE FOR OUR TO HAVE A MEETING AT THIS TIME. AND, AND I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE SENDING AS MANY AS WE OFTEN LIKE TO. CAN WE KEEP FINGERS CROSSED, WE HAVE APPLIED FOR THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA PLAN TO BE, UM, PRESENTED AT A EPA AND I THINK WE'LL KNOW IN JANUARY. SO LINDSEY AND, AND, UM, UM, WHY, I CAN'T THINK OF HIS NAME. UM, PATRICK, PATRICK . PATRICK, MYSELF AND SCOTTY ARE HOPING, PRESENTING OUR AREA PLAN TO A PA. AWESOME. FINGERS CROSSED FOR NOW. GOOD. YEAH. I GUESS THAT BRINGS UP A GOOD FOLLOW UP QUESTION THAT I THINK IT WOULD HELP NEW MEMBERS WITH IS THESE ARE OUR REGULARLY CALLED MEETINGS, RIGHT? YES. IN ADDITION, AS CHAIR, I HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPECIALLY CALL MEETINGS. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND HISTORICALLY, WHAT HAVE MEETINGS BEEN SPECIALLY CALLED FOR LARGE SCALE, UM, CHANGES EITHER TO THE CITY CODE OR TO THE PLANNING APPARATUS AS A WHOLE? UM, THAT'S A FANCY WAY OF SAYING FOR LARGE CODE REFORMS OR, UH, FOR DALLAS, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS HAD SEVERAL OF THOSE. SO, UM, IF THERE ARE LARGE SCALE PLANNING EFFORTS THAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO UNDERTAKE IN A YEAR, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS TRYING TO GET DOWN TO BUSINESS ON AND DO, YOU KNOW, LIKE WORK THROUGH THE PRODUCT THAT THAT HAS BEEN REALLY COMMON. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. COMMISSIONER KUNTZ, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, I NOTICED THERE WERE THREE DATES THAT ARE NOT A THURSDAY. WAS THERE ANY PARTICULAR REASON? THEY'RE GONNA BE THURSDAYS IF THEY'RE NOT A THURSDAY, THAT'S A, A GLITCH. OKAY. I NOTICED POINT THOSE OUT TO US. JULY. JULY 22ND. LOOK LIKE A WEDNESDAY. AND I COULD BE LOOKING AT THE WRONG YEAR VERY EASILY. , UH, NOVEMBER 18TH LOOK LIKE A WEDNESDAY AND DECEMBER 18TH. LOOK LIKE A FRIDAY. WE'LL, WE'LL CORRECT THOSE, BUT THEY'LL BE TWEAKED BY ONE DAY BASICALLY THE DAY LATER. THANK YOU. HE SAID CAN YOU REPEAT THOSE ONE MORE TIME? COMMISSIONER KUNTZ? YEP. JULY, JULY 22ND. N NOVEMBER 18TH. SHOULD BE THE 19TH I GUESS. AND THEN DECEMBER 18TH SHOULD BE THE 17TH. NOVEMBER 17TH, 19TH. 19TH, NO, NOVEMBER 19TH AND DECEMBER 17. AND JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST QUESTION TIME RIGHT NOW. IF WE DO HAVE ANY SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSION OR PROPOSALS TO MODIFY THIS, WE'RE DEFINITELY ABLE TO TAKE THAT UP IN THE AFTERNOON. ANY OTHER ITEMS? ALRIGHT, IT IS 11 O'CLOCK. UM, AND THIS WILL CONCLUDE THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. WE WILL COME BACK FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AT 1230 SHARP. THANK YOU. NEXT TO MICHAEL. GOOD AFTERNOON [CALL TO ORDER] EVERYONE. IT IS 12:30 PM ON THURSDAY, OCTOBER, UH, 23RD, 2025. AND THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. MS. LOPEZ, CAN WE START WITH THE ROLL CALL? GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SIMS HERE. DISTRICT TWO, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. PRESENT. DISTRICT THREE, VICE CHAIR. RUBIN, I MEAN, I'M SORRY. . HERBERT? PRESENT DISTRICT FOUR. COMMISSIONER FORSYTH SIDE PRESENT. DISTRICT FIVE. COMMISSIONER SERRATO. DISTRICT SIX. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. PRESENT. DISTRICT SEVEN. COMMISSIONER WHEELER. REAGAN. PRESENT? DISTRICT EIGHT. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN PRESENT? DISTRICT NINE. COMMISSIONER C***S. PRESENT? DISTRICT 10. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. HERE. DISTRICT 11. COMMISSIONER COX? PRESENT DISTRICT 12. COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN. HERE. [01:40:01] DISTRICT 13. COMMISSIONER HALL HERE. DISTRICT 14. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON HERE AND PLACE 15 CHAIR RUBIN? I'M HERE. YOU HAVE QUORUM, SIR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, JUST A COUPLE OF BRIEF HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS FOR EVERYONE. THERE'S SOME YELLOW CARDS DOWN AT THE BOTTOM TO MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT OF THE PODIUM. UH, IF YOU'RE PLANNING TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM, IF YOU COULD JUST FILL ONE OF THOSE OUT SO WE HAVE A RECORD OF WHO HAS SPOKEN TO US ON THE RECORD, THAT WOULD BE, UM, VERY HELPFUL. AND, UH, WITH THAT SAID, UH, WE WILL DIVE INTO OUR PUBLIC HEARING AND THE MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS, WHICH I THINK ARE NOT ON A CONSENT AGENDA THAT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE NOTICED INDIVIDUALLY. SO WE'LL TAKE THEM UP ONE BY ONE. OH YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, COMMISSIONER [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] HALL, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION ON THE MINUTES? I DO. MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE OCTOBER 9TH, 2025 MINUTES OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION AS REVISED AND POSTED ON OCTOBER 22ND, 2025. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER SIMS FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION SAYING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES. WE'LL MOVE ON [1. 25-2986A An application for minor amendment to the development plan and proposed traffic management plan for a public school other than an open-enrollment charter school on property zoned Planned Development District No. 674, bounded by Greenmeadow Drive, John West Road, Lakeland Drive, and Forestcliff Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Dallas Independent School District Representative: Elsie Thurman - Land Use Planning and Zoning Services Planner: Tasfia Zahin Council District: 7 M245-007(TZ) / MZ-25-000005] TO ITEM ONE, MS. ALLGEIER. ITEM ONE IS AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND PROPOSED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR A PUBLIC SCHOOL OTHER THAN AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTIES ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 6 74 FOUNDED BY GREEN MEADOW DRIVE, JOHN WEST ROAD, LAKELAND DRIVE AND FOREST CLIFF DRIVE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL AS BRIEFED. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON CASE NUMBER ONE MZ 25 0 0 0 0 5. ALRIGHT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER WHEELER IN A MATTER OF CASE NUMBER M 2 45 0 7, I MOVE TO CLO, CLOSE OF PUBLIC, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OF APPROVAL? IS THAT AS BRIEFED? AS BRIEFED? OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR YOUR MOTION. VICE CHAIR HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES ITEM NUMBER [2. 25-2987A An application for a minor amendment to a site plan for surface parking on property zoned P(A) Parking District, on the west line of Euclid Street, northwest of Lewis Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Bryce Whitlock, Kimley-Horn Representative: A.J. Levine, 1834 Henderson Ave Owner LLC Planner: Tasfia Zahin Council District: 14 MZ-25-000008] TWO. ITEM TWO IS AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO A SITE PLAN FOR SURFACE PARKING ON PROPERTY ZONED PA PARKING DISTRICT ON THE WEST LINE OF EUCLID STREET, NORTHWEST OF LEWIS STREET. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. THANK YOU. MS. ALGAR, I SEE THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ONLINE. MR. WHITLOCK, IS HE THERE? UH, YES. THIS IS BRYCE WHITLOCK. OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, YOU CAN BEGIN YOUR REMARKS. GREAT, THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, I AM THE APPLICANT FOR THIS MINOR AMENDMENT SITE PLAN AND JUST WANTED TO BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS, UH, I KNEW OUR PLANNER WAS NOT HERE TODAY. THAT'S IT. THANKS. AND CAN YOU JUST PROVIDE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? YES, IT'S BRYCE WHITLOCK. AND ADDRESS IS FOUR 16 WALNUT DRIVE, MURPHY, TEXAS. THANK YOU MR. WHITLOCK. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER TWO? MZ 2 5 0 0 0 0 0 8. COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF MZ 2 5 0 0 0 0 8 A MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON [Zoning Cases - Consent] TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY NOTICED AS ITEMS THREE THROUGH NINE. ITEM THREE, ITEM FIVE IN ITEM SEVEN HAVE COME OFF. IS THERE ANY OTHER ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO PULL? YES, MA'AM. WHICH ITEM ARE YOU HERE TO, UH, A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION HAS ASKED TO, TO PULL IT OFF SO IT WILL BE TAKEN UP AS AN INDIVIDUAL ITEM AFTER WE DISPOSE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. MA'AM, IF YOU COULD JUST COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE SO I COULD HEAR YOU. I THOUGHT SHE PUT THREE BACK ON. OH, THANK YOU. CORRECTION ITEM THREE IS STILL ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. CAN YOU TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE PLEASE? YEAH. NO, YOU'RE GOOD. IS THIS GOOD? YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? MM-HMM . I'M KIMBERLY VAUGHAN. I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROCESS IS. I, I WAS TOLD YESTERDAY TO COME HERE, [01:45:01] SIGN THE CARD AND I WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON IT. I DID NOT HAVE TO SIGN UP FOR IT. OKAY. AND IF YOU ARE HERE IN PERSON, YOU DON'T NEED TO SPEAK IN, YOU DON'T NEED TO SIGN UP IN ADVANCE. AND SINCE ITEM SEVEN, SIX, IT'S SIX. I'M SORRY. ITEM. WOULD YOU LIKE US TO PULL OFF ITEM SEVEN SO YOU CAN SPEAK ON IT INDIVIDUALLY? I WILL. I'M CONFUSED. YOU'RE TA SAYING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. I, SO NORMALLY ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA ARE APPROVED OF IN A SINGLE MOTION. OKAY. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO ONE. SO AM I ABLE TO DO THAT OR NOT? YEAH. WHY DON'T WE PULL OFF ITEM NUMBER SEVEN AS WELL. OKAY. OR, OR ANYONE CAN SPEAK. WHY DON'T YOU? YEAH, WHY DON'T YOU, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SPEAK TO IT WHILE IT'S ON CONSENT. SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO THAT. OKAY. SO DO I NEED TO WAIT TILL WE GET TO THAT OR CAN I SPEAK ONE AGAIN? WE'RE ON THE CON. WE'RE GONNA READ IN THE CONSENT AGENDA. OKAY. AND THEN YOU CAN SPEAK ON THE ITEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. MM-HMM . 3, 4, 7 AND 8, 8, 3, 4, 7, 8. CASE Z 25 0 0 0 0 9 2. AND APPLICATION FOR MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT ON THE EAST LINEUP. VICKSBURG STREET BETWEEN VARIOUS BOULEVARD AND MISS CCP AVENUE STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO DE RESTRICTION VOLUNTEERED BY APPLICANT. AND CAN YOU READ IN THE REMAINDER OF THE ITEMS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA? SURE. Z 25 0 0 1 8 AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR SUB AREA B BETWEEN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT EIGHT 11 ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 30 BETWEEN WEST COLORADO BOULEVARD AND NORTH RE HERO ROAD SOUTH. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND AMENDED LANDSCAPE PLAN KC 25 0 0 0 7 5. AND APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY ON PROPERTY ZONED SUBDISTRICT FWMU THREE WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 5 9 5, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF PARK ROAD AVENUE, NORTHEAST OF COLONIAL AVENUE. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS NUMBER EIGHT Z 25 0 0 0 1 6 1. AND APPLICATION FOR AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 5 1 2 ON THE WEST CORNER OF EAST STARK ROAD AND SEVILLE ROAD STAFF RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU MS. HASI. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO ANY OF THE ITEMS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA? THAT'S 3, 4, 7, AND EIGHT. MA'AM, WHATEVER. COME ON DOWN. OKAY, MR. REWE AND Y'ALL ARE WELCOME TO SPEAK AS, AS WELL IF YOU WOULD LIKE. AND MA'AM, IF YOU COULD JUST START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. SURE. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS KIMBERLY VAUGHN. I LIVE AT 1909 NELSON COURT, DESOTO, TEXAS 7 5 1 1 5. UM, I'M JUST GONNA READ IT. IT'S, I WRITTEN DOWN. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, I INHERITED THIS HOME 1802 PARK ROW IN SOUTH DALLAS FROM MY GRANDMOTHER. AND I'M CURRENTLY RENOVATING IT TO RESTORE PRIDE IN VALUE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT DESERVES BETTER. I'M HERE TO OPPOSE THE REQUEST FOR A GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY AT THE CORNER OF COLONIAL AVENUE AND PARK ROW. THIS AREA ALREADY FACES SERIOUS CHALLENGES, ONGOING DRUG ACTIVITY, PROSTITUTION AND POOR PROPERTY UPKEEP [01:50:01] ON, ON THE SAME STREET. THERE ARE APARTMENTS COMPLEX THAT ARE NOT WELL MAINTAINED WITH HEAVY TRAFFIC PEOPLE PARKING ALONG THE STREET AND CONSTANT FOOT ACTIVITY IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR. TWO MONTHS AGO, WFAA CHANNEL EIGHT DID A STORY HIGHLIGHTING THIS VERY NEIGHBORHOOD AND CORNER QUESTIONING WHERE THERE IS SUCH A LACK OF SUPO OF POLICE SUPPORT. ACCORDING TO OPEN RECORDS, FROM JANUARY 2ND, 2024 TO APRIL 23RD, 2025, THERE WERE 45 CALLS MADE TO 9 1 1 IN THIS AREA. OUT OF THOSE OVER 20 HAD NO ACTION TAKEN AND ONLY TWO RESULTED IN THE POLICE RESPONSE. DEPUTY CHIEF PATRICIA MORA EVEN STATED IN THE INTERVIEW THAT PROSTITUTION AND O OPEN DRUG SALES ARE QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES IN THIS AREA. SO BEFORE WE ADD ANOTHER GROUP FACILITY, WHY AREN'T WE FOCUSING ON CLEANING UP WHAT ALREADY EXISTS? WHERE ARE THE PRIORITIES IN PROTECTING AND RESTORING THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT FAMILIES LIKE MINE HAVE INVESTED IN FOR GENERATIONS? THIS COMMUNITY DOES NOT, DOES NOT NEED MORE INSTABILITY. IT NEEDS ACCOUNTABILITY, IT NEEDS SAFETY AND REAL SUPPORT. I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE DENY THIS REQUEST AND STAND WITH THE HOMEOWNERS AND FAMILIES WHO ARE TRYING TO MAKE SOUTH DALLAS BETTER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR LISTENING IN THOSE OF US WHO TRULY CARE ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY. I APPRECIATE IT. SINCE THERE IS OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM, WHY DON'T WE TAKE IT OFF CONSENT AND HEAR IT INDIVIDUALLY. OKAY. SO WE'LL, WE'LL REVISIT IT IN JUST A LITTLE BIT IN OUR MEETING. THANK YOU MA'AM. OKAY, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D WANTS TO SPEAK ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? UH, ITEMS 3, 4, 7 OR THREE, FOUR AND EIGHT NOW. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS THREE, FOUR, AND EIGHT AS READ INTO THE RECORD. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO CASE NUMBER FIVE AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A, UM, SPEAKER ONLINE ON THIS ONE. OH YEAH. CAN WE READ HER DAY? MS. BLUE? GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. ITEM NUMBER FIVE [5. 25-2988A An application for a new Specific Use Permit for a public school other than an open-enrollment charter school on property zoned R-7.5(A) Single-Family District, bounded by East Ledbetter Drive, Veterans Drive, 52nd Street, and Horizon Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a site plan, traffic management plan, and conditions. Applicant: Dallas (ISD) Independent School District Representative: Elsie Thurman - Land Use Planning & Zoning Services Planner: Teaseia Blue Council District: 4 Z245-154(TB) / Z-25-000003] IS AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW PACIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PUBLIC SCHOOL OTHER THAN A OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER. OTHER, OTHER THAN A OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTY ZONE R SEVEN 50, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT BOUNDED BY EAST LEDBETTER DRIVE, VETERAN DRIVE 52ND STREET AND HORIZON DRIVE. UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN, A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS. AND I DO APOLOGIZE, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER Z 2 45 DASH 1 54. IT'S ALSO Z DASH 25 DASH 0 0 0 3. THANK YOU MS. BLUE. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE? LOOKS LIKE THE APPLICANT STEPPED OUT. IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE? NO. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER FORSYTH? YES. UH, CHAIRMAN RUBEN IN THE MATTER OF CASE Z 2 45 DASH 15 FOUR. I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL OUR NEXT CPC MEETING ON NOVEMBER THE SIXTH. THANK YOU. AND I COULD, UH, IF I CAN'T MAKE COMMENTS IF I GET A SECOND SO THAT I CAN EXPLAIN THE REASON YOU DO HAVE A SECOND FOR COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. UM, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH. SO YOUR COMMENTS? YES, I, I, I, UH, APPRECIATE THE CPC UH, GIVING, UH, BEING PATIENT WITH THIS. UH, THERE IS A QUESTION REGARDING WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THE SCOPE OF THE, UH, THE PROJECT. AND I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PRINCIPAL AT, UH, DR. FREDERICK DOUGLAS, UH, FREDERICK TODD MIDDLE SCHOOL IS, IS SATISFIED WITH THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT. AND ONCE WE GET THAT CLEARED UP, THEN WE CAN MOVE THIS, MOVE THIS FORWARD AND, AND APPROVE IT OUR NEXT MEETING. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COLLEAGUES? ALL RIGHT, SINGH. NONE. WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER, UH, A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON TO HOLD THE CASE. OH, SORRY. COMMISSIONER WHEELER. UH, UH, I GUESS MS. BLUE HAS A, SOMETHING SHE NEEDS TO CLARIFY. UM, [01:55:01] HE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS. IF THERE'S GONNA BE ANY, UH, REVISIONS, THEN I DO NEED TIME TO GET CASE REPORT AND ITEMS TOGETHER. UM, AND TWO WEEKS IS, UH, KIND OF PUSHING IT FOR THAT. IF WE NEED TO, UH, HOLD IT ANY, ANY LONGER FOR ME TO HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO PREP THE CASE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION COMING IN AND REVIEW IT AND GET IT PREPARED, I'D BE HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, MS. BLUE BY, UH, ADMITTING MY MOTION TO, UH, UH, HOLD THIS UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL OUR NEXT, OUR SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER. I JUST HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, ARE WE CERTAIN THAT ANYTHING WILL CHANGE ON THE PLAN OR IS IT A POSSIBILITY THAT THE PLAN COULD STAY THE SAME? I DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE ANY CHANGE IN THE, IN, IN, IN THE DOCUMENTATION. UH, WE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A QUESTION REGARDING WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AND, UH, I I, I WAS ASKED TO, UH, TO, TO PUT THIS UNDER ADVISEMENT FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS SO THAT, UH, THE PROJECT MANAGER ON THIS PROJECT CAN CLARIFY WITH THE PRINCIPAL OF THE SCHOOL EXACTLY WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT. YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU WANT ME TO GO INTO MORE DETAIL, I CAN, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THIS ANYMORE THAN IS NEEDED EITHER. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT? I'M GONNA SAY THAT I, UH, I CAN'T, I CAN'T, UM, SUPPORT THAT, SUPPORT THAT MOTION BECAUSE, UH, TIME AND TIME AGAIN, WE ARE HOLDING UP OUR SCHOOLS FOR, FROM THE PROGRESS THAT THERE NEEDING TO BE MADE. AND THIS COULD HAVE HAPPENED PRIOR TO, UH, CPC. UM, THE, THE REPRESENTATIVE ON THIS CASE IS VERY THOROUGH IN MAKING AND, AND REQUESTING AND SPEAKING AND SENDING MESSAGES TO BOTH COUNSEL AND WHATEVER REPRESENTATIVE IN THIS, IN THESE DISTRICTS, WHAT SHE REPRESENTS WITH DISD. AND THIS COULD HAVE HAPPENED PRIOR TO THIS PARTICULAR, UH, UH, THIS COMING BEFORE CPC, UM, MS. THURMOND IS, IS IN, IN MY EXPERIENCE, SHE OVER, SHE OVERLY COMMUNICATES BEFORE IT MAKES IT TO CPC. UM, SO I THINK THAT WE'RE HOLDING UP THE ISD PROGRESS. UM, WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE CHANGED CAN BE DONE IN BETWEEN NOW AND COUNCIL. MS. BLUE, LET ME ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION. ASSUME THAT THERE ARE NO CHANGES MADE BETWEEN TODAY AND OUR OCTOBER 6TH OR NOVEMBER 6TH MEETING, WOULD WE BE GOOD TO THEN TAKE IT UP ON NOVEMBER 6TH? YES, WE WILL. I WOULD JUST HAVE TO GO IN AND CHANGE THE DATE ON SOME DOCUMENTS. OKAY. BUT THERE WILL BE ANY NO ADDITIONAL CHANGES. YEAH. AND IF THERE ARE CHANGES BETWEEN NOW AND OUR NOVEMBER 6TH MEETING, WHAT WOULD NEED TO, WELL, IF THERE WAS ANY NEW CHANGES COMING OUT, I PROBABLY WOULD NEED TO REVIEW IT, UH, TO MAKE SURE IT'S OKAY. IF I NEED TO SEND THE CUSTOMER OR THE APPLICANT COMMENTS BACK, I NEED TIME FOR THAT. UM, SO JUST THE REVIEW PROCESS, BUT IF THERE'S NO CHANGES, THEN THE NEXT CPC DATE WILL BE FINE. OKAY. SO YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH US, I GUESS, STICKING WITH OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER 6TH WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THERE ARE CHANGES WE, YOU KNOW, MAY NEED TO REVISIT THE SCHEDULE. YES, THAT'S FINE WITH ME. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER QUE QUESTIONS OR, OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, I WOULD ONLY LIKE TO RESPOND TO COMMISSIONER WHEELER RES IN A RESPECTFUL MANNER. THE PRINCIPAL OF THE SCHOOL WILL ASK ME TO PUT THIS UNDER ADVISEMENT FOR TWO WEEKS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, COLLEAGUES. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER FORE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL NOVEMBER 6TH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES ITEM NUMBER [6. 25-2990A An application for a new Specific Use Permit for a tower/antenna for cellular communication limited to a monopole cellular tower on property zoned FWMU-3 Form Subdistrict within Planned Development District No. 595, the South Dallas/Fair Park Special Purpose District, on the southeast line of South Boulevard, northeast of Colonial Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a twenty-year period with eligibility for automatic renewals for additional twenty-year periods, subject to a site plan and conditions. Applicant: Richard Smith Representative: Alexander Novak Planner: Teaseia Blue Council District: 7 Z245-145(TB) / Z-25-000146] SIX. ALRIGHT. ITEM NUMBER SIX IS Z 2 45 DASH 45, ALSO Z DASH 25 0 0 0 1 46. IT'S A APPLICATION FOR A NEW PACIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A TOWER AND TANNER FOR CELLULAR COMMUNICATION LIMIT TO A MONOPOLE CELLULAR TOWER ON PROPERTY ZONE FWMU THREE FORM SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF SOUTH BOULEVARD AND NORTHEAST LINE OF COLONIAL AVENUE. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR 20 YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL 20 YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. THANK YOU MS. BLUE. IS THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER SIX? JUST PLEASE BE SURE TO START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. [02:00:05] MY NAME IS TA SNEAD. I RESIDE AT 1820 SOUTH BOULEVARD, RIGHT NEXT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PROPONENTS WOULD SPEAK FIRST, HAVE THREE MINUTES, AND I WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO GIVE THREE MINUTES. IS THAT NOT THE WAY YOU'RE GONNA DO IT? IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? OH, SIR, WHY DON'T YOU GO FIRST? MY NAME IS CHRIS SIMMONS AND I PA I LIVE AT, UH, 1125 BEACHWOOD LANE IN CEDAR HILL WITH PASTOR CORNERSTONE BAPTIST CHURCH AT 1819 MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. BOULEVARD, UH, IN DALLAS, WHICH IS ON THE PROPERTY WHERE THE TOWER IS ONE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT THE TOWER IS PROPOSING. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THIS TOWER IS IMPORTANT FOR SEVERAL REASONS. ONE, IT HELPS US WITH EQUITY AND CONNECTIVITY, UM, RELIABLE. WE ALL KNOW THAT RELIABLE CELL SERVICE IS VERY NECESSARY AND IMPORTANT AND NOT A LUXURY. AND SO FOR MANY OF OUR SOUTH DALLAS RESIDENCY, UH, RESIDENTS, THEY TEND TO, UH, DROP CALLS, HAVE WEAK SIGNALS, UNRELIABLE DATA, AND ESPECIALLY IN EMERGENCIES WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK. AND SO, UM, WHEREAS OTHER PARTS OF DALLAS ARE ENJOYING, UH, STRONG COVERAGE, MANY TIMES WE DON'T SEE THAT IN SOUTH DALLAS. UM, ANOTHER REASON IS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND CALLING 9 1 1. WE REALIZE THAT IN, UH, CRITICAL MOMENTS, PARTICULARLY LIKE RECEIVING AMBER ALERTS AND COMMUNICATING POWER, UM, IN, IN POWER OUTAGES, THAT A STRONG SIGNAL CAN REALLY SAVE LIVES. AND SO FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, IT IS, UM, WE SEE IT AS IMPORTANT. AND THEN FOR, UH, ECONOMIC AND EDUCATIONAL BENEFITS RELATED TO, UH, JOB AND BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT. MANY SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE TRY TO GET STARTED REALLY DEPEND ON STRONG SIGNALS, AND I THINK THAT THAT IS IMPORTANT TO HELP THESE SMALL BUSINESSES AND THESE HOME BASE ENTREPRENEURS, PARTICULARLY ALSO, UH, STUDENTS WHO ARE TRYING TO GET AN EDUCATION ON ONLINE. UM, THE NEED FOR THIS, UM, CELL TOWER, WE BELIEVE IS AN ISSUE OF EQUITY, OF SAFETY AND OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND SO WE WOULD, UM, ASK IF YOU WOULD APPROVE THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST. THANK YOU PASTOR SIMMONS. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN SUPPORT OF ITEM SIX? ALRIGHT, SIR. UM, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY WITH YOUR COMMENTS AND OPPOSITION, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND REPEATING YOUR, YOUR NAME. I DIDN'T CATCH IT THE FIRST TIME. NOT A PROBLEM. AGAIN, MY NAME IS TA SNEAD. I RESIDE AT 1820 SOUTH BOULEVARD, WHICH IS NEXT DOOR TO THIS PROPOSED 90 FOOT FACILITY, 90 FOOT CELL TOWER. HAS ANYONE ON THIS PANEL, DOES ANYONE IN THIS PANEL KNOW OF ANY 90 FOOT CELL TOWERS NEXT TO ANYBODY'S HOUSE? I DIDN'T THINK SO. I SAW THE INITIAL REZONING SIGN, UM, ON JANUARY THE 28TH. I IMMEDIATELY CONTACTED, UH, THE NUMBER ON THE ZONE, ON THE ZONE SIGN, AND WAS TOLD, UH, I WOULD BE GETTING SOME INFORMATION. I THEN CONTACTED THE PLANNER'S ZONE APARTMENT ON MARCH THE 20, ON MARCH, UH, 2025, GOT NO RESPONSE. I CONTACTED COUNCILMAN BALE'S OFFICE ON FEBRUARY 28TH, 2025. THEN I BEGAN TO CONTACT THE VERIZON FOLKS. NO ONE, NO ONE COULD GIVE ME ANY, ANY INFORMATION WHATSOEVER. UH, AND THEN I CONTACTED REVEREND SIMMONS WHO JUST SPOKE. WE SPOKE SEVERAL TIMES AND REVEREND SIMMONS TOLD ME HE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE PROJECT AND THAT HE WAS, HE WAS NOT. HE WAS, HE WAS GOING TO, UM, HE WAS GOING TO RELINQUISH HIS, UH, UM, CONTACT, UH, PARDON ME, I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS TODAY. UM, HE, HE WAS GOING TO RELINQUISH HIS, HIS INVOLVEMENT IN, IN THE DEAL. I EVEN WROTE HIM A LETTER TO THAT EFFECT AND LETTER WAS CERTIFIED AND SENT BACK. MY PROBLEM IS, NUMBER ONE, YOU HAVE PROPERTY VALUES THAT ARE AFFECTED. I HAVE NOT BEEN PROVIDED WITH ANY SCHEMATICS, ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDIES, AND IT'S A LOT EASIER AND SAFER FOR, UH, VERIZON TO ERECT THE TOWER A FEW BLOCKS AWAY. SOUTH DALLAS IS FULL OF VACANT LAND WITHIN THREE BLOCKS OF THIS AREA. THERE ARE NO APARTMENTS, NO HOUSES, BIG FIELDS OF VACANT LAND WHERE THEY COULD PUT THIS TOWER AND NOT BE NEXT TO MY FACILITY. UM, AND AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, NO ONE ASSOCIATED [02:05:01] WITH THIS PROJECT EVEN LIVES IN SOUTH DALLAS. PLENTY OF PROPERTY WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE, THOUGH YOU COULD PUT THIS PROPERTY. AND, UM, IN KEEPING WITH COUNCILMAN BAER'S RESPECTFUL STAKEHOLDERS WOULD BE MORE FITTING TO HAVE THE RISING ERECTOR TOWER SOMEWHERE ELSE BY ELIMINATING POTENTIAL HEALTH RISK TO THE PEOPLE. THAT'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER PROBLEM. BUT LET ME GET BY WAY OF HISTORY. I'VE BEEN AT 1820 SOUTH BOULEVARD SINCE 1984, WHICH MAKES ME PROBABLY ONE OF THE LONGEST LIVING RESIDENTS IN THE 1800 BLOCK OF SOUTH BOULEVARD. AND I KNOW THAT HISTORY, AS POINTED OUT IN MY LETTER TO COUNCILMAN BAULA DATED FEBRUARY THE 28TH. THE 1800 BLOCK OF SOUTH BOULEVARD IS WHAT REMAINS OF THE OLD EDGEWOOD EDITION, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE FIRST, IF NOT THE VERY FIRST SUBDIVISIONS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. PARDON? WE HAVE THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER, SIR. SO, OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES YOUR, YOUR THREE MINUTES. MIGHT ASK FOR AN ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL THREE MINUTES PLEASE. WHAT? THAT CONCLUDES YOUR, YOUR THREE MINUTES, SIR. WELL, VERY WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO CASE NUMBER SIX? MA'AM? THANK YOU. HELLO AGAIN, MY NAME IS KIMBERLY. DO I HAVE TO REPEAT THE SAME THING? KIMBERLY VAUGHN, 1909 NELSON COURT, DESOTO, TEXAS 7 5 1 1 5. I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UM, ABOUT THIS REQUEST AS WELL, OR OPPOSE IT. THIS IS IN THE BACK OF MY GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE, SO THERE'S ANOTHER, UM, A LOT THERE. AND, UM, IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. THERE IS ANOTHER FACILITY, A TOWER THAT I'M NOT FOR SURE HOW MUCH, HOW FAR IT IS, BUT IT'S WITHIN FIVE MINUTES DISTANCE DRIVING. SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IS IT NECESSARY TO GO IN THIS SPOT BECAUSE THEY JUST BUILT A TOWER, UM, UM, UH, BOUGHT THEM DRIVE. THEY JUST BUILT A NEW ONE THERE WITH NEW APARTMENTS RIGHT THERE. SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY ANOTHER ONE NEEDS TO BE SO CLOSE. SO I WOULD JUST LIKE MORE CLARITY ON THAT. AND THIS IS A, UM, AND I'M IN TECHNOLOGY, SO I UNDERSTAND THE RAMIFICATIONS AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LIVE BY A TOWER. UM, THERE IS SOME THINGS THAT HAPPEN THAT PEOPLE DON'T TALK ABOUT FOR YEARS AT A TIME. UM, THIS IS, IT IS A LOT THAT'S BEEN VACANT FOR YEARS WITH A FENCE BY IT. UM, BUT I JUST JUST WANT TO EXPRESS MY OPPOSITION WITH IT BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA. I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER, SOME OTHER AREAS THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY LOOK AT. AND I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE DISCUSSION. ALSO, WHEN I WAS READING THAT IT SAID AN AUTOMATIC 20 YEAR RENEWAL, UM, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AS WELL. SO IF IT HAS PASSED FOR 20 YEARS, I THINK A, A DISCUSSION NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO SEE WHETHER THE RESULTS OF THE FIRST 20 BEFORE IT'S AUTOMATICALLY RENEWED. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE CAUSE AND EFFECT IF IT IS APPROVED. THANK YOU MA'AM. MM-HMM . ALRIGHT. UNDER OUR, ARE YOU, DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR REMARKS? YEAH. UM, YES, THAT'S FINE. I DON'T WANNA GO OVER MY THREE MINUTES, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. UM, UNDER OUR RULES, THE, UH, APPLICANT GETS A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL. PASTOR SIMMONS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO THANK YOU SO MUCH AGAIN? WE WOULD SAY THAT WE BELIEVE THAT IN ORDER FOR THE COMMUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT TAKING PLACE IN THE COMMUNITY OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, AND WE HAVE FOUND OUT THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE DROPPING ZOOM CALLS AND OTHER CALLS BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT SUFFICIENT TECHNOLOGY IN THE AREA TO MAINTAIN THE GROWTH. AND I THINK THAT IF THE COMMUNITY IS TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND, AS WE'VE BEEN EXCITED TO EXCEED EXPANSION OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THAT THIS, UH, SHELL CELL TOWER, IT WILL BE NECESSARY. THANK YOU PASTOR SIMMONS. ALRIGHT, WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR A MOTION BEFORE BEGINNING OUR DISCUSSION IN THE MATTER OF, UH, Z 2 45 DASH 45, ALSO KNOWN AS TWO DASH Z DASH 24 2 5 DASH 1 46. I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR A 20 YEAR PERIOD, UM, AND TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL FOR THE 20 YEAR PERIOD, BUT NOT WITH THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL. UM, AND I HAVE COMMENTS AND IS THAT SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN? SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANS AND CONDITIONS? AND I DO HAVE A COMMENT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND, YOUR COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER WHEELER. UM, [02:10:03] YES. THIS AREA OF SOUTH DALLAS WAS ON WFAA. YES, IT WAS AN ARTICLE WROTE BY, UM, RAUL LEWINSKI. UM, AND THESE ARTICLES WERE WRITTEN WITHOUT THE CONSIDERATION OF WHAT IS GOING ON. THE TWO MAJOR PARTNERS, UM, IN REBUILDING THIS AREA AND HAVE PUT THE TIME TO SACRIFICE COMMUNITY INPUT AND HAS BEEN VERY THOROUGH IN DOING SO, HAS BEEN ST. PHILIP'S AND CORNERSTONE THIS, THIS TOWER. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP DURING THE AREA PLAN DURING NUMEROUS COMMUNITY MEETINGS IS THE LACK OF TECHNOLOGY, THE LACK OF INNER, UH, BEING ABLE TO ACCESS INTERNET. THE LACK OF, UH, UM, STRONG CELL SIGNALS IN SOUTH DALLAS HAS BEEN THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD THE INFRASTRUCTURE. WE SIT LESS THAN FIVE MILES FROM AT AND TA BILLION DOLLAR PROJECT, AND WE STILL HAVE EVERY, HAVE CALLS DROPPING, DON'T HAVE GOOD SERVICES AS IT RELATES TO OUR INTERNET. AND SO VERIZON PUTTING UP A TOWER THAT WOULD EVENTUALLY, UM, WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, POSSIBLY HAVE OTHER, UM, PROVIDERS TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF IT. UM, WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING LAST NIGHT. WE WENT OVER THESE THINGS VERY THOROUGH. AND THOSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAD NO OPPOSITION, ACTUALLY WERE VERY, UM, SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, UH, THIS TOWER. UM, AND WE, WE'VE HAD COMMUNITY MEETINGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN ABOUT WHAT WE NEED IN SOUTH DALLAS. AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS, UH, AS IT RELATES TO, UM, US HAVING STRONGER INFRASTRUCTURE IN SOUTH DALLAS. COLLEAGUES. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? UM, MR. SNEAD, I BELIEVE YOU HAD A, UM, A COMMENT THAT YOU WERE GOING TO SHARE WITH US REGARDING THE COMMUNITY AND YOUR PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THIS. COULD I ASK YOU TO FINISH YOUR THOUGHT? YES, MA'AM. WELL, LET ME SAY FIRST THAT CELL TOWERS HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE, UH, FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS, UH, COMMUNICATION, UH, AGENCY. THEY CAN'T, YOU CAN'T JUST PUT UP A CELL TOWER THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED. THOSE THINGS GIVE OFF RADIOACTIVE, UH, FIELDS AND YOU GOT KIDS IN NEARBY, YOU GOT SCHOOLS THE WHOLE NINE. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T JUST AGREE TO THAT WITHOUT DOING THOSE STUDIES. NOW ASK ME YOUR QUE OH, LET ME, LET ME RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION. I'VE BEEN IN THAT AREA SINCE 1984, THAT BLOCK THE 1800 BLOCK OF SOUTH BOULEVARD IS WHAT REMAINS OF WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY CAME THROUGH AND BUILT I 75 IN THE 1 7 1 1 7 INTERSTATE 1 75. INITIALLY THEY CUT INTO SOUTH BOULEVARD AND PARK ROW. THOSE WERE THE, THE TWO OLD MAIN JEWISH, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THOSE HOUSES ARE IMMACULATE. THOSE ARE BIG, BEAUTIFUL MANSIONS. THEY REALLY, REALLY, YOU REALLY SHOULD SEE THESE HOUSES TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND SO ONLY FIVE REMAINED ON THAT, ON THAT BLOCK. AND OF WHICH MINUS ONE, REVEREND SIMMONS AND HIS GROUP OWNS THE REST OF THEM AND THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE REST OF THE HOUSES ON THAT BLOCK. AND WHEN I CAME DOWN TO, TO GET, TO FILL OUT THE, UM, TO SPEAK TODAY, TO FILL OUT THE FORM, I NOTICED THAT THE, UM, HISTORIC, UH, ZONING, UH, DIVISION, UM, RESPECTS THESE TYPES OF THINGS. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT. UM, AND SO I THINK BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING TO UPSET THAT AREA OF THOSE HOUSES, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE SAFETY. AND THEN LASTLY, WHAT'S THAT GONNA DO TO MY, MY HOUSE VALUE? WHAT'S THAT GONNA BE TO MY DO TO MY HOME VALUE? IF YOU PUT A 90 FOOT TOWER NEXT TO IT, NOBODY WANTS THAT. AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY, REVEREND SIMMONS SAID THEY HAVE GOOD, GOOD, UM, RECEPTION IN NORTH DALLAS, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY 90 FOOT TOWERS IN ANYBODY'S NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? I HAVE A QUESTION. UH, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, I HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY, I WILL, I WILL GET TO YOU. COMMISSIONER FORSYTH. THANK YOU. DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN? I THOUGHT I SAW YOU MOVING TOWARDS THE MICROPHONE. UH, YES. I HAD A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UH, UH, THANK YOU, UM, FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN, IN, IN YOUR REMARKS, YOU'VE, UH, DETAILED ALL THE BENEFITS THAT THIS TOWER, UH, COULD PROVIDE TO, TO SOUTH DALLAS. UH, BUT MY QUESTION IS VERY SIMPLE. UH, WHY THIS LOCATION? WHY THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION AND NOT OTHER PARTS OF SOUTH DALLAS? UM, AS YOU KNOW, VERIZON CAME TO US AND WE HAVE AS MENTIONED, UH, BASICALLY THE WHOLE BLOCK EXCEPT FOR THE LOT THAT MR. SNEAD OWNS. AND SO IT WAS, [02:15:01] UH, A, A PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE OWN THAT WE COULD CARVE OUT AND STILL DO DEVELOPMENT AROUND THAT PARTICULAR, UM, CELL TOWER. SO IT WOULD NOT IMPEDE US BEING ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME OF OUR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT WE WERE, UH, PLANNING. NOW, CERTAINLY, I GUESS THEY COULD PUT IT OTHER PLACES IN SOUTH DALLAS, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, WE JUST FELT LIKE IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING SINCE WE WORKED SPECIFICALLY IN OUR COMMUNITY WITH SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AND STUDENTS, UM, THAT ARE NEEDING ACCESS TO INTERNET AND THOUGHT THE CLOSER, THE BETTER, THE BETTER RECEPTION AND BETTER SPEEDS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER FORSYTH. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN RU RUBEN. UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION TO MR. STEED. ARE YOU STILL ON THE PODIUM, MR. SNEED? YES, SIR. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. MR. SNEED. IN OUR, IN THE, UH, PUB UH, THE BRIEFING THIS MORNING, UH, COMMISSIONER SIMS ASKED STAFF HOW CLOSE THIS TOWER IS TO THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL. OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR OUR FAMILY, UH, AREA WHERE OUR UNIT, OUR BUILDING, WHERE A FAMILY LIVES. AND YOU SAID YOUR PROPERTY IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THIS. CAN YOU AN, CAN YOU ANSWER, UH, COMMISSIONER SIM'S QUESTION OF HOW CLOSE THIS, UH, TOWER WILL BE TO YOUR RESIDENCE, ROUGHLY 60 FEET TO THE NEAREST ROUGHLY 60 FEET. ROUGHLY 60 FEET. YES, SIR. SO THE, AND THE TOWER IS 95 FEET, SO IF THE TOWER WERE TO FALL, IT COULD FALL ON YOUR PROPERTY. ABSOLUTELY. IS THAT CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU MR. SNEAD FOR ANSWERING THAT QUESTION FOR ME AND, AND, AND FILLING US IN WITH THIS IMPORTANT DETAIL THAT WAS LEFT OUT OF THE STAFF PRESENTATION THIS MORNING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I HAVE A COMMENT. OH, GO, GO AHEAD. YOU CAN CONTINUE YOUR FIVE MINUTES. COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT. OKAY, THANK YOU. YOU, I, I WILL NOT SPEAK ABOUT, UH, HEALTH OR ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS, BUT IT'S CLEAR THAT THERE'S A SAFETY HAZARD HERE. CITIES CAN AND DO REGULATE CELL TOWER PLACEMENT AND HEIGHTS AND SETBACKS. AND, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT LIKE FOR INSTANCE, OUR NEARBY CITIES, THE CITY OF IRVING, THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE, THE CITY OF DENTON, ALL HAVE SETBACKS THAT SAY THAT A CELL TOWER HAS TO BE A RATIO OF THREE TO ONE DISTANCE TO HEIGHT FROM A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IF THIS TOWER WERE IN IRVING OR GRANT PRAIRIE OR IN DENTON, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF 300 FEET FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE JUST HEARD MR. SNEAD SAY THAT THIS TOWER IS LITERALLY LESS THAN 65 FEET CL UH, NEXT TO THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL FACILITY. SO EVEN IF THERE ISN'T HEALTH ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, WHICH WE KNOW THERE ARE, THERE IS A SAFETY ISSUE HERE, WHICH TO ME, IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT MR. SNEAD AND THE OTHER RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY. AND WE SHOULD DEFINITELY, UH, REJECT THIS MOTION AND ASK FOR, UH, DR. SIMMONS AND THE CORNERSTONE CHURCH TO WORK WITH VERIZON TO FIND A SAFER LOCATION FOR REPLACEMENT OF THIS TOWER. THANK YOU FOR LI LISTENING AND GIVING ME THIS MOMENT TO SPEAK. COMMISSIONER CHAIRMAN RUBIN. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT. I, I'LL, UM, MAKE A BRIEF COMMENT. UM, YOU KNOW, THESE CELL TOWER CASES POP UP AT THE HORSESHOE FROM TIME TO TIME. I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A, YOU KNOW, BRAND NEW COMMISSIONER, YOU KNOW, SOME SIX ODD YEARS AGO THAT WE HAD A WHOLE, UM, SPATE AND THEM OF THEM. AND I WAS INITIALLY PRETTY SHOCKED AND SURPRISED BECAUSE CELL TOWERS WEREN'T A THING THAT I REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT REGULARLY. UH, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. BUT, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT I DID NOTICE AS WE, WE STARTED HAVING THAT SPATE OF CELL TOWER CASES, THERE ARE ACTUALLY A LOT MORE, UM, CELL TOWERS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, UM, NEAR RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAN THAN ONE MIGHT THINK. AND THEY ACTUALLY BLEND IN AND ARE MUCH LESS OBTRUSIVE THAN, YOU KNOW, FIRST, YOU KNOW, MY FIRST BLUSH IMPRESSION WAS I THINK THEY'RE REALLY IMPORTANT INFRASTRUCTURE. AND WE DO HAVE A COVERAGE MAP IN OUR DOCKETS, WHICH SHOWS SORT OF THE, UM, BLACKOUT AREA OR, OR AREA WITH POOR COVERAGE NEAR WA NEARBY THAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHTS THE NEED FOR A CELL TOWER OVER HERE. I, YOU KNOW, I THINK SOMEONE REFERENCED THAT THERE'S ONE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES AWAY, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY NEED TO BE PLACED QUITE A BIT CLOSER THAN THAT TO PROVIDE [02:20:01] ADEQUATE COVERAGE FOR AN AREA. I, I DO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE, UM, MR. SNEAD'S CONCERNS ABOUT HEALTH AND SAFETY. AND AS YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE FCC PROCESSES HERE. UM, AND THE WAY THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT IT WORKS, AND MAYBE MS. MORRIS CAN COP HOP IN AND, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE REVIEW THESE CELL TOWERS FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE AND CONSIDERATIONS OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND, YOU KNOW, CELL WAVE EMISSIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FALL WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE FCC. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE FCC WILL BE, OR HAS ALREADY BEEN TAKING A LOOK AT THESE ISSUES. AND, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING GETS LAND USE APPROVAL HERE FOR THE ZONING FOR THE SUP DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE FCC HAS NECESSARILY RESOLVED THINGS FAVORABLY TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE CELL TOWERS THAT, DID I CATCH ANYTHING? DID I THAT YES, THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S FAIR. AND JUST TO REITERATE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PLANT COMMISSION IS TASKED WITH ONLY LOOKING AT THE LAND USE PERSPECTIVE OF THESE S FOR CELL TOWERS. AND, YOU KNOW, IT IS A, I THINK A FAIR THING TO SAY THAT IT, IT ALSO HAS, UM, STATE AND FEDERAL HURDLES TO JUMP AS WELL. AND I'LL ALSO ADD, I HEAR THE COMMENT ABOUT OUR, SOME OF OUR SURROUNDING CITIES AND THEIR LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT FROM OURS. SO I UNDERSTAND WHY WE DON'T HAVE AS RESTRICTIVE OF SPACING RULES. SO ULTIMATELY I AM GOING TO SUPPORT COMMISSIONER WHEELER'S MOTION, UH, ANYONE ELSE ON A FIRST ROUND? COMMISSIONER HERBERT? UM, UH, THERE'S A LOT THERE. I'VE SEEN THESE COME INTO MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAD THE THOROUGH DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NEED, UM, THE DROP CALLS, THE NEED FOR AMBULANCE COMMUNICATIONS, 9 1 1 COMMUNICATIONS, SO ON AND SO FORTH. UM, I GET IT, THIS LOCATION IN SOUTH DALLAS, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS AREA IS DEAR TO MY HEART BECAUSE I LOVE HISTORY, RIGHT? BUT I ALSO KNOW OF BUDDING THESE HOMES ACROSS THE ALLEY FROM THEM IS A HIGHLY COMMERCIAL AREA, OR ONE THAT USED TO BE HIGHLY COMMERCIAL AND HAS A FUTURE OF THE SAME. SO I, THIS IS A LARGE AREA PLAN, UM, THAT, THAT THE AREA PLAN IS TO PRESERVE THE FUTURE OF THAT SECTION OF THE CITY. AND OFTEN WE ARE LIMITED BY TECHNOLOGY AND THE NEED FOR WIFI. UM, SO I CAN'T, UM, UM, THAT FACT ALONE IS WHY I WOULD SUPPORT THIS CASE BECAUSE OF THE LIMITATIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR OF THIS CITY FOR DECADES, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO TECHNOLOGY. ANYONE ELSE IN THE FIRST ROUND? COMMISSIONER SIMS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. IT, UH, IT WAS INTERESTING, MR. CHAIR, THINKING ABOUT YOUR OBSERVATION ABOUT CELL TOWERS AROUND TOWN, AND I STARTED THINKING THERE'S ONE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, NEXT TO AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND NEXT TO SOME HOUSES. UH, SO I, UH, I ECHO WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT SAID THAT THIS IS CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE. AND SO FOR THAT REASON AND FOR WHAT I'VE SEEN AROUND DALLAS, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION AS WELL. ANYONE ELSE ON ROUND NUMBER ONE BEFORE WE GO TO ROUND TWO? COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DID YOU HAVE A ROUND TWO COMMENT? AND HOLD ON JUST ONE SECOND. COMMISSIONER FORESE, I THINK THERE'S SOME BACKGROUND NOISE. CAN YOU MUTE MUTE FOR NOW AND YOU CAN UNMUTE WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU FOR YOUR ROUND TWO COMMENT. COMMISSIONER WHEELER? YEAH, I, I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, MR. SNEAD, MR. MR. SNEAD, UM, WE TALKED QUITE A BIT WITH THE CONCERN WITH THIS BEING, UM, YOUR RESIDENCE, BUT ISN'T THIS TRUE? THIS IS YOUR LAW FIRM, MA'AM? IT'S, IT'S MY, I LIVE THERE, SO DUAL PURPOSES. IT'S A, YES, IT'S A BIG HOUSE. OKAY. SO THE MAJORITY OF THE STREET REALLY SERVE AS, UH, WHERE THIS PLACEMENT IS GOING TO BE, IS GOING TO BE BETWEEN MOST, EVEN THOUGH THESE ARE, UH, HOMES, LOOK, THEY ARE MOSTLY COMMERCIAL HOMES USED AS COMMERCIAL USES IN SOME KIND OF FORMAT THAT SITS BETWEEN ANOTHER COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. SO THIS IS NOT THE TRADITIONAL, UM, HOME. THESE ARE ALL HOMES THAT, UM, THAT, THAT THEY LOOK LIKE HOMES, BUT THEY'RE ALL COMMERCIAL USES OF SOME SORT IN BETWEEN THE CHURCH AND ALSO, UM, THE LAW FIRM. AND THEN THIS BACKS UP WHERE THIS DISPLACEMENT IS GOING TO BE, IS GOING TO BE DIRECTLY BEHIND WHERE THE CHURCH IS LOCATED, UM, ON MARTIN LUTHER KING. SO IF THAT PUT SOME CALLS TO CONCERNS ABOUT RESIDENTIAL VERSUS, UM, UM, COMMERCIAL AREAS IN, [02:25:01] IN TERMS OF HISTORY, MA'AM, UM, WHAT HAPPENED WAS, UM, SAFECO, UM, CAME IN TO PUT IN A GROCERY STORE BECAUSE SOUTH DOW DIDN'T HAVE A GROCERY STORE. THEY GOT THAT AREA REZONED FROM RESIDENTIAL TO LIGHT COMMERCIAL SO THEY COULD PUT IN THE STORE. THEY DECIDED NOT TO BUILD A STORE. SO LARGE MINARDS CAME IN BEHIND THEM. THIS HAPPENED IN, IN, IN THE, IN THE SIXTIES. MIN CAME IN BEHIND THEM AND BOUGHT THE STORE AND RAN, WHICH WHAT REVEREND UM, SIMMONS, UH, CHURCH USED TO BE A MINARD FOOD STORE. AND SO WHEN THEY CHANGED THAT ZONING, THAT'S WHEN PEOPLE BEGAN TO, UH, USE THOSE HOUSES AS RENTALS SOMETIMES. IN FACT, IN YEARS GONE BY, PEOPLE RENTED OUT ROOMS. IT WAS A ROOM, IT WAS TERRIBLE. AND WE HAD TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT, AND WE FINALLY GOT IT TO THE POINT WHERE THEY WERE BROUGHT BACK TO BE REALLY NICE HOUSES. AND THEY'RE NOT REALLY RENTALS IN THE STRICTEST SENSE OF THE WORD. REVEREND SIMMONS HAS PEOPLE LIVING IN THOSE HOUSES. SOME OF THEM ARE PREGNANT WOMEN, UH, SOME OF THEM KIDS. UH, AND THEY REALLY SHOULDN'T BE EXPOSED TO, UH, THAT, THAT THING FALLING OR THOSE EMISSIONS THAT THAT WOULD ADMIT FROM THERE, PARTICULARLY SINCE HE READILY ADMITS THERE'S LAND ALL OVER THE PLACE THAT THAT COULD BE USED FOR THAT THERE'S NO NEED TO USE THAT, THAT PARTICULAR PLOT. I'M NOT AGAINST THE TOWER. I'M JUST AGAINST THE TOWER WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT IT. COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR SECOND ROUND? IT PRETTY MUCH IS. UM, AND, AND, AND I'M, I'M VERY BEN, UH, UH, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE COMMUNITY INPUT. UM, AND MAYBE, UM, UM, FOR THE AMOUNT I'VE NEVER, I MEAN, IT CAUSES ME ALSO CONCERNS WHEN I'VE NEVER SEEN CERTAIN PEOPLE AT COMMUNITY MEETINGS. AND THE CHANGES THAT ARE GOING ON IN THIS COMMUNITY IS, IS SLOW, BUT IT SHOW THERE'S MULTIPLE PERMITS ALL AROUND HERE TO IMPROVE THIS COMMUNITY. WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA NEED THIS TOWER FOR WHAT THE, ALL THE THINGS THAT'S GOING ON ON MARTIN LUTHER KING, UM, IN, IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO ALL THE EMPTY LOTS THAT, THAT ARE BUILDING MULTI-FAMILY, UH, AND OTHER BUSINESSES IN THIS AREA. UM, BUT I, I'M FOR SURE I'M, I'M FOR SURE WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. SO, UM, THAT'S ALL. COMMISSIONER FORSYTH YOUR SECOND ROUND. THANK YOU. UH, CHAIRMAN RUBEN, DR. SNEAD OR MR. SNEAD JUST CONFIRMED THAT HE LIVES IN THAT RESIDENCE NEXT TO THIS, WHERE THIS TOWER IS GOING TO GO, AND THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE LIVING IN THESE OTHER HOMES THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET. AND OF COURSE THERE'S ALSO SENIOR LIVING CENTER THERE. HE ALSO CONFIRMED THAT HIS HOME IS LESS THAN 60 FEET FROM WHERE THIS TOWER WILL BE. SO THIS TOWER IS A 95 FOOT TOWER. SO IT IS A MAJOR SAFETY ISSUE. YOU KNOW, I BRING UP THE, THE, THE, THE FACT THAT THESE OTHER CITIES HAVE, UH, SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR CELL TOWERS NEAR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS TO POINT OUT THAT CITIES CAN AND DO REGULATE THE PLACEMENT OF CELL TOWERS. AND THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT. THERE ARE HEALTH, ENVIRONMENTAL, AND SAFETY REASONS FOR KEEPING THESE TOWERS NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND SCHOOLS AND PARKS AND, AND, AND, AND THE CITY SHOULD CONSIDER AN ORD ADDING OUR CODE ORDINANCE IN THE FUTURE, UH, SETBACKS FOR CELL TOWER PLACEMENTS TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS LIKE THESE OTHER CITIES HAVE. BUT UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, I BELIEVE THAT THIS BODY HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO FIGHT ON BEHALF OF THESE RESIDENTS AND ASK THE CHURCH IN VERIZON TO FIND AT A LOCATION THAT IS FURTHER AWAY FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO ENSURE THAT THE COMMUNICATIONS, UH, FACILITIES THAT, THAT ARE, THAT ARE NEEDED ARE, ARE, ARE ALSO PLACED IN A MANNER THAT IS SAFETY AND, AND, AND WILL NOT CAUSE ANY TYPE OF JEOPARDY TO THE FOLKS LIVING ON THAT STREET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY THE INPUT THAT WE RECEIVE. UM, AS NOTED BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER, IT IS IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY, UM, THE PROVISIONS WITHIN THE MONOPOLE CELLULAR TOWERS. AND BY SAYING THE IMPACT OF THE MONOPOLE CELLULAR TOWER HEIGHT ON ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT MUST BE CONSIDERED IN THE SUP PROCESS. AND THIS IS A MIXED USE DISTRICT, SO NOT FULLY RESIDENTIAL. THERE DO SEEM TO BE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT ARE ALSO WITH THIS, UM, [02:30:02] PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS CLEARLY VERY ACTIVE AND VERY INVOLVED IN ENSURING THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT OF COMMUNITY IS AN ONGOING. AND I THINK THE, THE POINTS RAISED BY, UM, VICE CHAIR HERBERT ARE CORRECT. I JOINED CPC WHEN CHAIR RUBIN DID, AND I REMEMBER ALL OF THE CASES THAT CAME THROUGH, MANY OF THEM IN, IN A DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES. I HAVE AN SUP TOWER IN MY DISTRICT THAT IS EMBEDDED IN A MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT. UM, IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I ASKED ABOUT IF THERE WAS ANY CONSIDERATION ON LANDSCAPING AND, AND JUST HOW THAT'S GOING OVERALL, I THINK THE SITE THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED, THE SCALE OF IT, AND BY NOT INCLUDING THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL, I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION BECAUSE I THINK IT GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENSURE THAT IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, IF THERE IS, UM, A CONCERN THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, THAT THIS CAN BE REVIEWED. BUT IT ALSO ADDRESSES THE NEED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY FOR COMMUNICATIONS. AND I THINK WE ALL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT'S NEW OR NEEDED. AND IT IS MY HOPE THAT AS THE REDEVELOPMENT CONTINUES, I KNOW CERTAINLY IN MY AREA, MOST OF MY CELL TOWERS NOW COME AS A PART OF OTHER DEVELOPMENTS. THEY END UP BEING PLACED ON BUILDINGS. SO I THINK AS THIS REDEVELOPMENT OCCURS, PERHAPS THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY THERE TO THINK ABOUT A DIFFERENT APPROACH THAT CAN CONTINUE TO INTEGRATE AND ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY AND SUPPORT ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, AND RESIDENTS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE, UM, ON OUR MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT TO FOLLOW STATUTE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL ONLY FOR A 20 YEAR PERIOD, UM, BUT WITHOUT ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS AND SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY? NO. ALRIGHT, THAT'S ONE. COMMISSIONER FORSYTH THE MOTION THEN THAT'S, UH, THE MOTION CARRIES. IS MR. GREGORY HERE FOR [7. 25-2991A An application for a new Specific Use Permit to allow a group residential facility on property zoned Subdistrict FWMU-3 within Planned Development District No. 595, the South Dallas/Fair Park Special Purpose District, on the southeast line of Park Row Avenue, northeast of Colonial Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a site plan and conditions. Applicant: Cornerstone Community Development Corporation Inc. Representative: Andrew Ruegg, Masterplan Consultants Planner: Jordan Gregory Council District: 7 Z-25-000075] ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, OR MR. PEPE WILL TAKE CARE OF IT? ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS Z 2 5 0 0 0 7 5. IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY ON PROPERTIES ZONE SUBDISTRICT FWMU THREE WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 5 9 5, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF PARK ROW AVENUE, NORTHEAST OF COLONIAL AVENUE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. THANK YOU MR. PEPPY. I SEE THAT, UM, MR. RIG, OUR APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE PLAN COMMISSION, ANDREW REIG, UH, THIRTY THREE THIRTY THREE WELLBORN HERE IN DALLAS, UH, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT FOR THIS REQUEST. UM, I LISTENED TO THE BRIEFING THIS MORNING AND WANTED TO GIVE YOU ALL SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE, UH, USER FOR THE GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY. UH, THE USER IS VIOLA'S HOUSE, UM, WHO IS A MATERNITY HOME THAT PROVIDES TEMPORARY HOUSING AND SUPPORT SERVICES FOR THE SOUTH DALLAS COMMUNITY. SO THIS WILL BE VIOLA'S HOUSE. UM, THEIR SECOND, UH, MATERNITY HOME. THEY HAVE ONE EXISTING HOME, ONE TEMPORARY, UH, HOME THAT THEY'RE USING RIGHT NOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA MOVE THESE OPERATIONS TO THIS, UH, LOCATION HERE ON PARK ROW. THEY ALSO HAVE A BABY BENEFIT BOUTIQUE, WHICH HELPS, UM, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A STOREFRONT TO HELP SERVE THE SOUTH DALLAS COMMUNITY BY PROVIDING SUPPLIES TO AT-RISK MOTHERS, UM, THAT ARE TYPICALLY IN THE 18 TO 24 RANGE. UH, THEY ALSO HAVE A PILOT PROGRAM FOR SOME OLDER MOTHERS, UM, THAT STILL NEED SUPPORT SERVICES FOR THIS TYPE OF, UM, PROGRAM. SO I THINK SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS MENTIONED IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE REASON THAT WE REQUIRE THE SUP OR THE CITY REQUIRES THE SUP IS IT'S WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF ANOTHER GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY. UH, THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY IS THE MEN OF NEHEMIAH, UM, WHICH IS A TOTALLY SEPARATE MISSION. UH, IT'S STILL GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE REASON THAT WE HAVE THE SUP IS THEY WERE THERE FIRST. UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE COMING IN TO REQUEST OUR PARTICULAR SUP. UM, I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, UH, CORNERSTONE DOES A A WHOLE LOT OF WORK HERE IN THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY AND, UH, THIS IS A PARTNER, UH, PROGRAM WITH CORNERSTONE. SO I THINK THE CORNERSTONE COMMUNITY REALLY HELPS PROVIDE THAT STABILITY FOR THE OVERALL AREA. AND THIS WOULD HELP BENEFIT, UH, THE COMMUNITY, UM, THE SOUTH DALLAS COMMUNITY BY HAVING THIS PARTICULAR GROUP, RESIDENTIAL FACILITY IN THIS LOCATION. UM, I ALSO HAVE, [02:35:01] UH, OBVIOUSLY PASTOR SIMMONS IS HERE AND, UH, DON HARDEN THE ARCHITECT IS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. RIG. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT? MY NAME IS CHRIS SIMMONS AND MR. PASTOR SIMMONS, COULD YOU TURN ON THE MICROPHONE AGAIN? TEST. OKAY. MY NAME IS CHRIS SIMMONS, AND AGAIN, I LIVE AT 1125 BEACHWOOD LANE IN CEDAR HILL, TEXAS, BUT PASTOR AT CORNERSTONE BAPTIST CHURCH WHERE I'VE PASTOR FOR THE PAST 36 YEARS AND FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS, UH, VIOLA'S HOUSE HAS BEEN ONE OF OUR PARTNERS ON PROPERTY WITH US AS WE PROVIDE, UH, SUPPORTIVE HOUSING FOR MOMS WHO ARE HOMELESS AND PREGNANT TO GIVE 'EM AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR BABIES IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT. AND SO OVER THESE YEARS, VIOLA'S HOUSE HAS BEEN A TRUSTED PARTNER THAT REALLY CHANGES THE LIVES OF RESIDENTS IN THAT COMMUNITY, OFFERING MORE THAN HOUSING, BUT ALSO PRENATAL CARE, JOB READINESS, TRAINING, UH, COUNSELING AND EMOTIONAL SUPPORT TO THESE WOMEN AS THEY MOVE TOWARDS SELF-SUFFICIENCY. AND SO, AS WE HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IN THIS WORK WITH THESE WOMEN AND IMPACTING THEIR LIVES, WE SEE THAT, UM, THERE IS A CONTINUED NEED FOR ASSISTING MOTHERS WHO ARE WITH CHILDREN. CURRENTLY, WE CANNOT AS ASSIST MOTHERS WHO HAVE CHILDREN LIVING WITH THEM, BUT THIS WILL ALLOW US TO DO SO. AND SO IT WILL HELP US TO INCREASE, UM, HOUSING CAPACITY. AGAIN, TAKING IN NOW MOMS WITH UP TO THREE CHILDREN. IT WOULD ALLOW US TO EXPAND TRAINING SPACE SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THESE MOTHERS HAVE THE JOB AND LIFE SKILLS NECESSARY. IT WILL ALSO PROVIDE ONSITE CHILDCARE. AS WE WORK WITH THESE MOTHERS, WE FOUND OUT THAT ONE OF THE BARRIERS IS HAVING ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE CHILDCARE. AND SO IT WILL PROVIDE FREE CHILDCARE AND IT WILL PROVIDE STABILITY IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THERE ARE STRICT RULES THAT WE FOLLOW. UM, WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ADDRESS IS NEVER GIVEN OUT. THEY ALWAYS USE THE CHURCH ADDRESS FOR THE SAFETY OF THE MOTHERS. AS WE'VE WORKED WITH VIOLA'S HOUSE AND THESE MOTHERS, WE HAVE FOUND THAT 90% OF OUR GRADUATES TRANSITION INTO STABLE HOUSING, THAT IT PROVIDES SECURE, UH, EMPLOYMENT. MANY OF OUR MOTHERS ENROLL IN HIGHER EDUCATIONAL JOB TRAINING PROGRAMS WHERE THEY'RE THEN ABLE TO EARN A LIVABLE WAGE. UM, THEY'RE RAISED IN A STABLE ENVIRONMENT. AND SO, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS AN INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WILL HELP US TO CONTINUE TO TRANSFORM AND IMPACT THE LIVES OF THESE MOTHERS. WE HAD A MEETING ON, UH, LAST NIGHT FROM THE COMMU WITH THE COMMUNITY TO GET INPUT AND OVERWHELMINGLY SOURCE SUPPORT OF MANY OF THOSE RESIDENTS, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM SEVEN SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? KIMBERLY VAUGHN, 1909 NELSON STREET, DESO, TEXAS 7 5 1 1 5. I'VE ALREADY SPOKE AGAINST IT, UM, OR OPPOSED IT. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IS THAT WE'RE NOT INCLUDING ALL THE INFORMATION. SO THERE'S AN APARTMENT BUILDING THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THIS BUILDING THAT HAS NOT BEEN TAKEN CARE OF. THERE'S ALSO 1, 2, 3, 4 RESIDENTIAL HOMES RIGHT THERE. IT'S NOT JUST NEHEMIAH MEN OF NEHEMIAH HOMES THAT ARE ON THEIR STREET. FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, THIS PROPERTY HAS NOT BEEN TAKEN CARE OF. UM, I'VE ALSO MET WITH A PASTOR SEPARATELY AS WELL AS THE FOUNDER OF VIOLA HOUSE AND ASKED HIM TO STOP ASKING TO PURCHASE MY PROPERTY. UM, IT IS IN THE FAMILY, I WANNA KEEP IT IN THE FAMILY. UM, I'M SAYING THAT BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND AND I SUPPORT VIOLA'S HOUSE. I THINK IT'S A GREAT CAUSE. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT'S THE AREA IT NEEDS TO BE IN. I THINK WE ARE, I WAS TOLD BY BOTH THE PASTOR AND THE FAMILY THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE WHOLE COMMUNITY GROUP HOUSING. AND MY QUESTION TO THEM IS, WHY CAN'T WE DO BETTER THAN THAT? WHY DO WE HAVE TO SETTLE FOR GROUP HOUSING EVEN THOUGH IT'S HELPING OTHERS WITH, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS WE CAN HELP AS FAR AS RESIDENT RESIDENTIAL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 45 ON SOUTH STREET, THERE ARE HOMES THAT ARE HISTOR IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. WHY CAN'T THIS BE A PART OF THAT? WHY ARE WE SELLING FOR HOUSING, GROUP HOUSING? AND THEN THERE'S A BIG GATE AROUND IT. THE UPKEEP OF THIS HAS NOT BEEN, IT'S BEEN SUBPAR. UM, I HAVE TRIED TO KEEP MY PROPERTY WHERE IT SHOULD BE, GETTING IT CUT, MAKING SURE I'M RENOVATING. I JUST RENOVATED THE, THE, UM, FOUNDATION AS WELL. AND LIKE I SAID, WE WERE JUST FEATURED AS I BELIEVE MS. WHEELER SAID EARLIER ON WFA ABOUT THE PROSTITUTION AND THE DRUG USE AND THE LIMITATIONS OF POLICE SUPPORT THERE. SO WHY WOULD WE BRING IN A HOUSING GROUP HOUSING WITH PREGNANT TEENS INTO THAT AREA RIGHT [02:40:01] THERE WITH WHICH IS WITHIN 20 STEPS FROM THAT CORNER? THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME. TO ME, YOU WOULD CLEAN UP THE AREA FIRST AND TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE BRINGING PEOPLE INTO THAT AREA IN THE SAFE COMMUNITY. IT IS NOT SAFE WHERE IT SHOULD BE AT THIS POINT. AND FOR US TO MITIGATE THAT AND THINK, OH, OKAY, THAT DOESN'T MATTER. THAT SAYS SOMETHING TO ME AS HUMAN BEINGS AND SAYING, OKAY, DURING THE DAY AND DURING THE NIGHT, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO AFTER THIS, EVEN IF YOU VOTE EITHER WAY, JUST TO LOOK AT THE INVESTIGATION THAT WAS ON CHILD ON FAA AND IT SHOWS DURING THE DAY AND DURING THE NIGHT, THERE IS PROSTITUTION, OPEN PROSTITUTION THERE, DRUG DEALS THERE, AND NOTHING'S BEING DONE. AND NOW YOU WANNA TELL ME THAT YOU WANNA BRING ANOTHER GROUP HOME INTO THIS AREA WITHIN 20 FEET. I'M, I'M CHALLENGED WITH THAT. VERY CHALLENGED, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, TO MS. WILDER'S POINT, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING LAST NIGHT. I HAD NO IDEA THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING NOT LAST NIGHT. I DO WANNA ADDRESS THAT, THAT I DO THINK THERE'S A LACK OF COMMUNICATION ON WHEN THERE ARE MEETINGS WITH THE, WITH EVERYONE IN YOUR COMMUNITY. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. LOPEZ. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? TAS SNE. AGAIN, I THINK THAT, UH, REVEREND SIMMONS HAS A GOOD IDEA, BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE ONLY ONE TO HAVE THE ONLY IDEAS TO REFURBISH OR REHABILITATE THESE PROPERTIES. HE'S GOT TWO HOUSES ON SOUTH BOULEVARD THAT, UH, RIGHT NOW VIRTUALLY EMP THAT COULD BE USED FOR THIS PURPOSE. SOME, SOME OF, SOME OF THE REST OF US NEED TO BE ABLE TO TAKE PART IN THE RENOVATION AND THE REVITALIZATION OF THAT AREA. THANKS. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? ALRIGHT, WE ALLOW OUR, UH, APPLICANTS UNDER THE RULES WHEN THERE'S OPPOSITION OF TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL SO ANY OF THE APPLICANT SPEAKERS CAN SPEAK. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, JUST WANTED TO ADD A COUPLE, UH, NOTES. SO AS FAR AS THE STATE OF THE PROPERTY, I THINK YOU SAW IN THE BRIEFING, THIS HOUSE IS UNDERGOING RENOVATIONS AND IT'S KIND OF AT A, A STANDSTILL RIGHT NOW, UM, BECAUSE OF THIS SUP. SO THE, IT'S ESSENTIALLY DOWN TO THE STUDS RIGHT NOW. I THINK WHAT THIS WILL DO, UH, IF APPROVED IS ALLOW VIOLA'S HOUSE, UH, AND THE CORNERSTONE CHURCH TO FULLY RENOVATE THIS PROPERTY. HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOUR WALLS UP IN A NICE, UH, FACILITY FOR THIS, UH, PARTICULAR USE. AND THIS WILL, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY, IT JUST TAKES DOWN ONE, ONE ADDITIONAL PROPERTY THAT'S VACANT AND OR NEGLECTED IN THE, THE AREA. SO IT'LL PROVIDE, UM, IT A FULL PROPERTY THAT'S, THAT'S USABLE, UM, WHICH WILL HELP WITH THE AREA. UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OTHER THING THAT WE HAVEN'T MENTIONED IS VIOLA'S HOUSE IS ALSO A, UM, A FAIRLY LARGE EMPLOYER IN THE AREA. I THINK LAST NIGHT, UM, UH, VI UH, THENA WITH THE, THE CEO WITH VIOLA'S HOUSE SAID THEY EMPLOY ABOUT 50 PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY FOR THEIR DIFFERENT SERVICES THAT THEY, UH, THAT I OUTLINED PRIOR. SO WITH, UH, DIFFERENT MATERNITY HOMES WITH THEIR BABY BENEFIT BOUTIQUE. SO THIS IS A VERY, UM, I GUESS WELL-KNOWN, WELL-RESPECTED, UH, COMMUNITY ASSET AND WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT. THANK YOU. AND WE JUST ALLOW ONE, ONE REBUTTAL SPEECH. ALRIGHT, THAT CONCLUDES OUR CON PUBLIC COMMENTS. UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, IN THE MATTER OF CASE Z TWO, UH, Z TWO FIVE DASH 0 0 0 7 5. I'M MOVE TO CAUSE PUBLIC HEARING AND, AND POLICY STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE A SUBJECT SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS FOR A PERMANENT SUP. AND I HAVE COMMENTS IF I CAN GET A SECOND. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER WHEELER. I'LL SECOND IT. UH, YOUR COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER WHEELER. UM, THIS PARTICULAR AREA, WE, WE KNOW THAT REVITALIZATION OFTEN HAPPENS SLOWLY IN, IN PIECE BY PIECE. THIS AREA HAS BEEN VERY MUCH NEGLECTED OVER THE YEARS AS APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND HOMES WERE BULLDOZERED, UM, LEFT VACANT QUITE A BIT OF THIS LAND IN THIS AREA WAS NOT OWNED BY THE, BY BY PRIVATE RESIDENTS, BUT BY THE CITY OF DALLAS. HOWEVER, IT MIGHT HAVE CAME ABOUT. SO THEY WERE SITTING IN LAND BANKS AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN CORNERSTONE COME IN AND DO IS PIECE BY PIECE, PORTION BY PORTION. AND OFTENTIMES THEY'RE HAVING TO GET SUVS OR ZONING CHANGES TO DO WHAT IS NEEDED. UH, VIOLA HOUSE. UM, WHEN WE'RE SAYING WHERE DO [02:45:01] WE PUT A, A HOME FOR PREGNANT TEENS IN THE AREA, I GREW UP HERE. I'M 48 40, I'LL BE 49 NEXT WEEK. I'VE BEEN IN SOUTH DALLAS ALL MY LIFE. UM, UH, I WAS NOT A TEEN MOTHER, BUT THREE OF MY SISTERS WERE. UM, AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US WAS HOMELESS BY 16. WE WERE WHAT WE CALL, UH, FUNCTIONING HOMELESS. WE ALWAYS HAD A COUCH TO SLEEP ON, BUT NOT A HOME TO SIT IN. MY SISTER WAS PREGNANT DURING THIS TIME AND WAS LIVING FROM COUCH TO COUCH UNTIL SHE FINALLY WAS ABLE TO GET SOME GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE. AND THESE TYPE OF PROGRAMS IN THESE PARTICULAR AREA HELPED STABILIZE THE COMMUNITY. UM, A PREGNANT MOTHER WHO, THIS IS NOT THE TRADITIONAL GROUP HOME THAT WE SEE WHERE THOSE GROUP HOMES ARE MISUSING THE PROCESS. THIS PARTICULAR GROUP HOME IS GONNA SERVE FOR SUITES THAT WILL HAVE MOTHERS AS THEY ARE GETTING ON THEIR FEETS AFTER THEY HAVE THEIR CHILDREN ALSO BEING OFFERED RIGHT IN THE SAME COMMUNITY JOB TRAINING BEING, UM, UH, OFFERED, UH, DAYCARE. WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF PARENTS ARE NOT ABLE TO GO TO WORK, NOT ABLE TO GO TO WORK BECAUSE OF LACK OF DAYCARE. LACK OF DAYCARE AND NOT BEING ABLE TO GO TO WORK LEADS THEM WHERE THEY CANNOT SUPPORT THEIR CHILDREN. WE KNOW THAT, THAT, UM, WITH THE WAY THAT, UM, DC IS RUNNING RIGHT NOW, THAT THOSE PROGRAMS FOR ASSISTANCE ARE GOING TO BE RUNNING OUT TWO YEAR PERIODS. SO WE NEED AT THE YOUNG AGE OF 14 TO 24, IF WE CAN GET THEM INTO A JOB MARKET THAT THEY CAN HAVE A, HAVE STABILITY IN, IT WILL EVENTUALLY KEEP THEM WHERE THEY WON'T NEED A GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE. SO WHEN I SAY I CAN'T SAY THAT THIS PROGRAM WILL WORK IN DESOTO, BUT I DEFINITELY CAN SAY THAT IT CAN WORK IN SOUTH DALLAS. I'VE BEEN THERE MY WHOLE LIFE. UM, I OWN MULTIPLE BUSINESSES AND WHEN I HEAR WHY CAN'T EVERYONE ELSE BE A PART OF THE SOLUTION, I'VE NEVER KNOWN CORNERSTONE BAPTIST CHURCH TO TURN AWAY HELP. THEY, I'VE NEVER KNOWN THE CDC TO TURN AWAY HELP. VIOLA HOUSE IS, WAS NOT INITIALLY A PART OF CORNERSTONE. THEY ASKED FOR HELP AND CORNERSTONE ANSWERED, AND THIS AREA OF REVITALIZATION. WE KNOW THAT THE MEDIA LIKES TO MAKE A AREA, UM, UM, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE WRITERS THAT THAT CONSTANTLY WRITES STORIES ABOUT SOUTH DALLAS IS ALWAYS NEGATIVE. WE KNOW THAT THERE'S PROSTITUTION. WE KNOW THAT THERE'S DRUG ACTIVITY. WE ALSO KNOW A LOT OF THIS CAME WHEN THE, A MOOD FURTHER INTO SOUTH DALLAS, 1 45, UM, 1 75 AND 3 45 WAS UNDERGOING THEIR TRANSFORMATION, WHICH MEAN THOSE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS THAT WERE FURTHER, A LITTLE FURTHER CLOSER TO DOWNTOWN, MOVED INTO SOUTH DALLAS, WHERE THERE IS EMPTY LAND, THERE WILL BE THESE SITUATIONS, CORNERSTONE AND OTHER BUILDERS ARE MOVING TOWARD BUILDING ON THAT LAND, WHICH WILL BEGIN TO CEASE THOSE NEGATIVE IMPACTS. SO I CAN'T SEE HOW, UM, WE DON'T SEE THIS AS A, AS A, UH, AS A PLUS AND NOT A MINUS. UM, I, I'M ONE OF THE ONES I DEFINITELY WOULD OPPOSE IF I DIDN'T THINK THAT IT WOULD HELP. THIS IS NOT THAT TRADITIONAL GROUP HOME. WE JUST GO PICK UP PEOPLE ON THE STREET. WE PROBABLY PUT 'EM TOGETHER AND CHARGE 'EM PER ROOM. THIS IS WHERE WE, THESE CHILDREN, THESE MOTHERS AND THESE WOMEN ARE GONNA BE SAFE AND HAVE SUPPORT TO BE BETTER. COMMISSIONER OR VICE CHAIR HERBERT? OH YEAH, OF COURSE. THIS IS TIME FOR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, FOR OUR PUBLIC SPEAKERS OR COMMENTS. PASTOR CHRIS, CAN I HAVE YOU UP FOR A SECOND? THANK YOU. QUICK QUESTION ABOUT, UM, THE FUTURE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE MAINTAINING OF THE FENCE. ARE YOU GONNA KEEP THAT FENCE UP? YEAH. FOR THE SECURITY, THE, WE UH, JUST GOT ESTIMATES BACK FROM OUR ARCHITECT AND I THINK WE'RE ABOUT $2.2 MILLION INVESTMENT IN THAT PROPERTY. SO NO WAY WE WOULD INVEST $2 MILLION IN THE PROPERTY AND HAVE IT TO RUN DOWN. WE HAVE 24 HOUR SECURITY, UH, 24 HOUR HOUSE MOTHER THERE. THE, THERE IS A LOT OF STRICT THINGS IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROP THAT, THAT EVERYONE IS IN ORDER. PERFECT. AND SPECIFICALLY YOU PLAN TO KEEP THE FENCE. YES. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, UH, I DO HAVE A TECHNICAL QUESTION. SO THIS MAY BE FOR STAFF OR FOR OUR ATTORNEY, UH, JUST BECAUSE WE ARE SEEKING A, A PERMANENT SUP HERE. I, UM, AS, AS A, AS A WAY OF COMMENT, I, I THINK VIOLA HOUSE DOES WONDERFUL WORK. UH, BUT SINCE THIS IS A, A PERMANENT SUP AND WE'RE SEEKING AN SUP FOR GROUP RESIDENTIAL OR A GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY, IF FOR SOME REASON, UH, THIS PROPERTY WAS SOLD, THIS SUP WILL FOLLOW THE LAND. WHAT OTHER USES FOR GROUP HOMES COULD, YOU KNOW, COULD BE INCORPORATED THERE? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TREATMENT CENTERS, BEHAVIOR CENTERS, OR HOW, HOW WIDE COULD THAT BE? YEAH, NO, GOOD, GOOD QUESTION. SO PROBABLY HIS TOO. GO, GO AHEAD. WE WERE JUST, JUST PILING ON EACH OTHER THERE. YEAH, NO, NO, GOOD QUESTION. AND, AND THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT. I WAS [02:50:01] GONNA FIRST PULL UP OUR DEFINITION OF , OUR DEFINITION OF, UM, OF THE GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY BECAUSE THAT MAY BRING TO MIND, UM, SOME TYPES OF USES AND IT, IT, IN REALITY, THE DEFINITION HAS SOME EXCLUSIONS, UM, TIED INTO THAT DEFINITION THAT I'M WAITING TO LOAD ON OUR, ON OUR WIFI HERE. UM, WHAT I'D FIRST START BY SAYING IS WE'RE, OUR BASE ZONING IS WMU UH, THREE. SO THAT, THAT TALKS ABOUT WALKABLE MIXED USE THAT ALLOWS A NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL USES AS WELL AS MULTI-FAMILY BY, RIGHT? IT'S THE FACT THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE NON-RELATED, UM, IN, IN THIS HOUSING SPACE THAT REQUIRES THE GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY. UM, YEAH, THERE'S OUR DEFINITION. SO IN, IN, IN INTERIM OR PERMANENT RESIDENTIAL FACILITY AS OPPOSED TO A LODGING OR MEDICAL TREATMENT FACILITY THAT PROVIDES ROOM AND BOARDS TO PERSONS WHO ARE NOT A FAMILY. AS THAT TERM IS DEFINED IN THIS CHAPTER, WHETHER OR NOT THE FACILITIES OPERATE FOR PROFIT OR CHARGES SERVICES FOR THIS. AND IT DOES NOT INCLUDE FACILITIES THAT NEGOTIATE SLEEPING ARRANGEMENTS ON A DAILY BASIS OR DWELLING UNITS OCCUPIED EXCLUSIVELY BY FAMILIES LIKE A, LIKE A MULTIFAMILY. UM, SO THAT'S PART OF IT IS IT EXCLUDES AND IT IS A DISTINCT USE FROM, UM, PLACES THAT, UM, GIVE SIGNIFICANT MEDICAL TREATMENT OR THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, THAT'S IN THIS DEFINITION, BUT IT'S ALSO, THOSE ARE SEPARATE USES. UM, SOME OF THOSE MAY BE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT ALREADY IN THIS ZONING. IT, THIS IS A BIT OF AN INTERESTING USE THAT IN MOST OF THE PLACES WHERE IT'S PERMITTED, IT JUST HAS THAT DISTANCE REQUIREMENT. UM, BUT THAT'S A LONG ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, BUT IT, IT SHOULD EXCLUDE A LOT OF THE PLACES THAT INCLUDE, UM, MEDICAL TREATMENT. I JUST GOT A NOTICE FROM COMMISSIONER FORSYTH THAT HE'S ABLE TO HEAR OR SEE US OR OTHER FOLKS ONLINE. ARE THEY ABLE TO ACCESS THESE PROCEEDINGS? ARE WE HAVING SOME SORT OF TECHNICAL ISSUE CHAIR? I DUNNO IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, BUT I, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE AND, AND FOLLOW ALONG JUST FINE. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. GREGORY. SO IT MAY BE A TECH ISSUE ON WHY DON'T WE TAKE JUST FIVE MINUTES REAL QUICK TO ALLOW COMMISSIONER FORSYTH TO REESTABLISH THIS CONNECTION. SO WE'LL COME BACK AT ONE 40. ALRIGHT, IT IS 1 48, UH, PM AND THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION IS BACK ON THE RECORD. UH, JUST AS A REMINDER, EVERYONE, WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN Z 25 0 0 0 0 7 5. AND WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER THAT I SECONDED TO, UM, APPROVE SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. [9. 25-2949A An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 2355 for a late-hours establishment limited to an alcoholic beverage establishment for a bar, lounge or tavern use on property zoned Planned Development District No. 842, on the west line of Greenville Avenue, southeast of Ross Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to staff’s recommended conditions. Applicant: Ships Lounge, Naser Nayeb Representative: Permitted Development, LLC, Audra Buckley Planner: Liliana Garza Council District: 14 Z-25-000128 ] THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER NINE. ITEM NUMBER NINE IS KZ 2 5 0 0 0 1 2 8. AND APPLICATION FOR AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMANENT NUMBER 2355 FOR A L LATE HOUR ESTABLISHMENT, LIMITED TO AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT FOR A BORROWED LOUNGE OR TAVERN USE ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN TO LOAN DISTRICT NUMBER 8 4 2 ON THE WEST LINE OF GREENVILLE AVENUE, SOUTHEAST OF ROSS AVENUE. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO STATUS RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. THANK YOU MS. ZA. I SEE THAT WE HAVE MS. BUCKLEY HERE. THIS THING IS REALLY TALL. AUDRA BUCKLEY, 1414 BELLEVUE STREET, SUITE ONE 50, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5 HERE REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE APPLICANT, THE PROPERTY OWNER HERE IS ALSO THE OWNER OF THIS BUSINESS. UM, I LISTENED TO THE BRIEFING THIS MORNING AND JUST WANTED TO JUST KIND OF GO OVER A COUPLE THINGS. UM, I'M FORTUNATE THAT I DO HAVE SHIPS LOUNGE AS A CLIENT DOWN HERE ON LEWIS GREENVILLE BECAUSE THEY'RE ONE OF THE BETTER ACTORS. THEY'VE BEEN THERE IN THE SAME SPOTS AS 1948, PD 8 42 WHEN IT WAS PASSED. THIS IS NOT A LAND USE PD PER SE. THIS IS ONE DEALING WITH OPERATIONS, DEALING WITH HOURS OF OPERATION. IT IS THE ONLY ONE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS LIKE IT. SO IF YOU WANT TO BE OPEN TILL TWO O'CLOCK [02:55:01] IN THE MORNING, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS SUP PROCESS FOR ANY NON-RESIDENTIAL USE DOWN THERE. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE A DRUG STORE, IF YOU'RE A CONVENIENCE STORE, IF YOU'RE A BAR, YOU'RE A RESTAURANT. P 8 42 REQUIRES AN SUP TO BE OPEN UNTIL TWO. SO THIS ONE HAS GONE THROUGH, UH, SEVERAL RENEWALS. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ISSUE A, A PUBLIC APOLOGY TO COMMISSIONER KINGSTON BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN IN COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S DISTRICT FOR SO LONG THAT SHE AND I WORKED ON IT FOR WEEKS. AND WE FOUND OUT LAST WEEK THAT IT'S ACTUALLY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. SO I DID WANT TO GIVE YOU THAT. UM, I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THE OVERSIGHT. I DON'T HAVE ANY JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT. BUT ANYWAY, UM, WE'RE ASKING FOR FIVE YEARS. I HAVE WORKED WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 14 YEARS AND THERE IS NO WAY THAT THEY WOULD SUPPORT A PERMANENT SUP FOR LATE HOURS. THAT'S JUST NOT IN THE CARDS. AND, UM, SO WE'RE ASKING FOR FIVE. I WANTED THAT ON THE RECORD THAT I DID NOT ASK FOR PERMANENT SO THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T STRING ME UP WHEN THE NEXT TIME I COME THROUGH . THANK YOU MS. BUCKLEY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM NINE? ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO. UM, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 45 DASH 1 45, I'M SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT THE WRONG PAGE. HOLD ON. IN THE MATTER OF Z TWO FIVE DASH 0 0 1 2 8, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE SUP FOR FIVE YEARS. UH, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ASKED FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL, BUT THAT WOULD BE WITHOUT AUTO RENEWAL SUBJECT AND SUBJECT TO THE OTHER CONDITIONS BESIDES THE CORRECT AUTOMATIC RENEWALS. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION SINCE IT WAS PREVIOUS LINEAR DISTRICT COMM COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. WE'LL LET YOU SECOND THAT ONE. GIVE YOU THAT HONOR. UH, ANY DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER KINGSTON? YES. UM, AS WE DISCUSSED TODAY IN THE BRIEFING, THE SUVS IN THIS PART OF THE CITY, WELL, LET ME BACK UP. PD 8 42 WAS IMPLEMENTED IN 2011 AFTER THIS COMMUNITY UNDERWENT YEARS OF VIOLENT CRIME AND PROPERTY CRIME IN THIS PART OF THE CITY. THE CITY WAS SPENDING OVER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR JUST ON POLICE ENFORCEMENT AND LOSING THE BATTLE. PEOPLE WERE LITERALLY BEING MURDERED IN THE STREETS. NOT TO SAY THAT THAT CAN'T STILL HAPPEN ON OCCASION, BUT THIS PD AND THIS PROCESS HAS SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVED THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE POINT WHEN OTHER PEOPLE TALK ABOUT HOW THEY WANT THEIR COMMUNITIES TO LOOK, THEY USE GREENVILLE AVENUE AS AN EXAMPLE. IT HAS BROUGHT AN INCREASE IN QUALITY TENANTS. IT HAS IMPROVED THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY MEMBERS. IT IS BRINGING, IT CONTINUES TO BRING VIBRANCY TO THIS PART OF THE CITY WHERE PEOPLE ARE REDEVELOPING PARTS OF IT, INVESTING IN IT. UM, AND SO I THINK THIS PROCESS IS CRITICAL AND HAS BEEN CRITICAL TO CLEANING UP THE AREA AND MAINTAINING THE SUCCESS IT HAS ENJOYED. AND IT ALSO CREATES A PROCESS WHERE THE COMMUNITY AND THE OPERATORS AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE IN ROUTINE DIALOGUE WITH ONE ANOTHER, WHICH I THINK ALSO HELPS BRING PROSPERITY AND STABILITY TO THIS AREA. UM, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT HAS BEEN A VERY GOOD APPLICANT. UM, WE RECEIVED, I THINK FOUR DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS WROTE, WROTE TO US IN SUPPORT OF THEIR ASK FOR FIVE YEARS. I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT. I ALSO NOTE THAT ALL OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS ARE CONCERNED WITH STAFF'S CONTINUED, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE PERMANENT SUVS FOR USES LIKE THIS. WHILE THIS OWNER WHO HAS NOT ALWAYS OWNED THE BUILDING, UH, IS A GOOD OWNER AND A GOOD APPLICANT WERE HE TO SELL THE BUILDING, THAT SUP WOULD GO WITH THE LAND AND THE NEXT OWNER MAY NOT BE THAT GREAT. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE SUP PROCESS IN THE FIRST PLACE SO THAT THIS BODY AND COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO PERIODICALLY REVIEW OPERATIONS THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE VERY DISRUPTIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IT TROUBLES ME THAT THE SUP STANDARDS THAT ARE SET FORTH IN OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE AREN'T [03:00:01] EVEN ADDRESSED BY STAFF IN THEIR REPORT. AND I, I THINK THAT'S TELLING TO WHAT I PERCEIVE TO BE A WAR ON SUVS BY STAFF . MY PERCEPTION IS THAT SUVS FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF USES, UM, SHOULD BE SHORTER. MAYBE SUVS IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES CAN BE PERMANENT OR CAN BE QUITE LENGTHY. BUT FOR SOMETHING LIKE A BAR RESTAURANT THAT'S EMBEDDED IN A COMMUNITY, I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PERIODICALLY REVIEW THOSE. AND I THINK THAT THE OPERATORS KNOWING THAT THEY HAVE TO COME BACK IN A COUPLE YEARS, KEEPS THEM AS GOOD ACTORS. AND BY MAKING SUVS LIKE THIS PERMANENT, YOU REMOVE THE INCENTIVE FOR OPERATORS TO CONTINUE TO BE GOOD OPERATORS AND YOU REMOVE THE PROCESS THAT ALLOWS THE COMMUNITY BEING THE RESIDENTS, THE BUSINESS OWNERS, AND THE LANDOWNERS, THAT IN THAT CONSTANT COMMUNICATION THAT BRINGS STABILITY TO THE AREA. SO THAT'S WHY I AM VERY OPPOSED TO PERMANENT SUVS FOR THINGS LIKE THIS. AND I'M OPPOSED TO AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR THINGS LIKE THIS. WE HAVE SEEN HOW DIFFICULT AND EXPENSIVE IN TERMS OF TIME AND OTHER RESOURCES IT IS TO UNDO AN SUP THAT BECOMES PROBLEMATIC. IT'S FRANKLY JUST EASIER TO PERIODICALLY REVIEW THEM. AND I SEE SOME REAL BENEFIT FOR THAT PROCESS. SO I, I ASK YOU TO JOIN ME IN SUPPORTING THE MOTION I MADE. THANK YOU COLLEAGUES. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, UM, TO APPROVE SUBJECT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION CONDITIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NO AUTOMATIC RENEWALS ONLY FOR A FIVE YEAR TIME PERIOD. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. THAT CONCLUDES OUR ZONING DOCKET. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE SUBDIVISION DOCKET. AND OKAY, [SUBDIVISION DOCKET - Consent Items] WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND DO IT. UM, THE SUBDIVISION DOCKET, IT'S USUALLY PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. THEN MR. BOGART CAN BRIEFLY SPEAK ON HOW WE DO THE SUBDIVISION DOCKET. SO JUST TO UPDATE OUR NEW MEMBERS. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR COMMISSIONERS AND ALL THE CONSENT IS IN THAT CONSIST OF SEVEN ITEMS TODAY. ITEM 10, ITEM 11, ITEM 12, ITEM 13, ITEM 14, ITEM 15, ITEM 16. ALL CASES HAVE BEEN POSTED FOR HEARING AT THIS TIME. AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THE ITEMS IN OUR SUBDIVISION CONSENT DOCKET CONSISTING OF ITEMS 10 THROUGH 16? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, UH, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO. MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF THE SUBDIVISION CONSENT AGENDA, ITEMS 10 THROUGH 16, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN FOR YOUR MOTION, HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. WE MOVE ON TO [17. 25-3000A An application to replat a 0.287-acre (12,499-square foot) tract of land containing all of Lot 10 in City Block 22/6890 to create two 0.143-acre (6,250-square foot) lots on property located on Blunter Street, west of Tracy Road. Applicant/Owner: Notre Dame Place, Inc.; Willonda A. Phifer Surveyor: Votex Surveying Company Application Filed: September 24, 2025 Zoning: R-5(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Hema Sharma Council District: 8 PLAT-25-000099 (S245-242) ] ITEM NUMBER 17, WHICH IS OUR FIRST RESIDENTIAL RELA ITEM 17, PLOT 2 5 0 0 0 0 9 9. AN APPLICATION TO REPLY A 0.287 ACRE, THAT IS 12,499 SQUARE FEET TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT 10 IN CITY BLOCK 22 OVER 6 8 9 0 TO CREATE TWO 0.143. THAT IS 6,250 SQUARE FEET LOTS ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON BLUNTER STREET WEST OF TRACY ROAD. 22 NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON OCTOBER 6TH, 2025. WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLY IN FAVOR AND GI REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. STAFF RECOMME APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO APPLY CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. THANK [03:05:01] YOU. THANK YOU MS. SHARMA. MR. BALDWIN. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY NAME'S ROB BALDWIN, OFFICER 3 9 0 4 ALLEN STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS, AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING NOTRE DAME PLACE IN THEIR REQUEST FOR THIS REZONING. UM, SORRY. UH, WELL THE PROPERTY'S IN SOUTHERN DALLAS ON BLUNTER STREET. IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE, UH, BUT THE, IT'S KIND OF BETWEEN I 30, UH, I 45 AND I 35. THERE'S A, A BLOW UP OF THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THIS IS INTERESTING. UH, THIS IS A LOT. NOTRE DAME PLACE BOUGHT FROM THE CITY'S LAND BANK BUILT A HOUSE AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BUILD TWO HOUSES ON THE LOT. THEY BUILT A HOUSE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE LOT AND, UH, TRIED TO REPL IT THE FIRST TIME IT WAS DENIED. UH, WE'RE BACK AGAIN TRYING TO DO IT 'CAUSE WE'RE STILL OBLIGATED TO BUILD THE LOT ON THE SECOND HALF OF THE LOT. UH, AS YOU SEE, UH, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE GREEN, THE HOUSE ON THE WEST IS BUILT UP LIKE IT'S WAITING FOR ITS SISTER TO BE BUILT NEXT TO IT. UM, SINCE THIS WAS DENIED, IT WAS DURING THE COVID AREA WHERE WE ALL MET WITH MASKS ONLINE. UM, THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION HAS, UH, APPROVED FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT PLATS IN THE AREA DOING JUST WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO. UH, THE, WE'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE, UH, 600, 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS IN AN R FIVE DISTRICT. ALSO, IF YOU LOOK DOWN TO THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE LOTS THERE THAT WE'VE RECENTLY BUILT ON THAT WERE CLASSIFIED AS LEGAL BUILDING SITES AND WE DIDN'T HAVE TO COME THROUGH THE, THE PLANNING PROCESS. SO, UH, TWO LOTS, UH, OWNED BY ST. JUDE'S, BOUGHT BY THE CITY TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE BUILT ONE. CAN'T BUILD THE OTHER WITHOUT YOUR HELP. UM, WE HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU MR. BALDMAN. UM, I SEE WE HAVE A SPEAKER ONLINE, MR. DINGMAN, HE'S, HE'S MY CLIENT. HE'S HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. OKAY. SO HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS. HE'S JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS. I'LL, I'LL LET HIM SEE. SPEAK IF YOU'D LIKE TO. AND MR. DINGMAN, IF YOU COULD JUST TURN YOUR CAMERA ON. UM, IF YOU DO PLAN TO COMMENT, UH, STATE LAW REQUIRES US TO BE ABLE TO SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU. MR. DINGMAN, CAN YOU HEAR US? YES, I'M HERE. UH, PURELY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. GREAT, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM NUMBER 17? ANY, UH, SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM NUMBER 17? HELLO, MY NAME IS YOLANDA PFEIFFER. THIS IS MY HUSBAND OTIS COOK. THANK YOU. I AM THE OWNER, OR WE ARE THE OWNERS OF 60 90 BLUNTER STREET. AND MR. JOSEPH. HE'S THE ONE THAT OWNS THE OTHER SIDE. MY LOT IS NINE AND IT'S ALSO INCLUDED 10. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE PROPERTY LINE IS KIND OF CLOSE TO MY HOME IF THEY WANT TO REBUILD. I WAS OFFERED BY MR. JOSEPH TO ACTUALLY PURCHASE THE PROPERTY, BUT I COULD NOT DUE TO THE FACT OF THE ACTUAL CONTRACT THAT HE HAS WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS. I SPOKE WITH A YOUNG MAN NAMED MR. DWIGHT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, TO SEE IF I COULD, UM, BUY THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE IT IS TOO NARROW FOR AN ACTUAL HOME. AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO THIS FOR THREE YEARS AND THE CITY HAS NOT YET GAVE US ANY POSITIVE REVIEW BECAUSE OF THE CONTRACT THAT HE HAS PRIOR WITH THE CITY. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS FOR FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT MY HUSBAND AND I ARE, THIS IS OUR FIRST HOME AND WE LIVE ON THAT STREET OF FIVE MILE. IT IS UP AND COMING. SO WE REALLY WANT TO BE THERE AND WE REALLY DON'T WANT ANYONE BY US NOT TO SAY THAT, BUT IT'S NOT A ACTUAL HOME SPACE. IT'S ONLY THERE JUST LIKE A LITTLE PIECE OF A LAND. AND THAT'S WHY I OPPOSED SOMEBODY OR NOT SOMEBODY, BUT MR. JOSEPH, IF HE COULD JUST GIVE ME THAT LAND, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME BECAUSE IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I CAN HAVE MYSELF FOR THE DEEP INCLINE OF MY HOME. IT ACTUALLY FLOODS AND CHANGE THE CLIMATE OF MY FOUNDATION OF MY HOME. AND THAT LITTLE PIECE RIGHT THERE, UH, NEXT DOOR TO ME WILL BE VERY GOOD FOR MY HUSBAND AND I [03:10:01] BECAUSE I TAKE CARE OF MY GRANDFATHER WHO IS 85 AND HE CANNOT WALK DOWN THAT HILL WHERE I LIVE. SO IF I HAD THAT AS A ACTUAL AREA FOR PARKING FOR HIM, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. SO I CAN JUST TURN MY HOME WHERE MY PAWPAW CAN ACTUALLY WALK TO MY DOOR. THANK YOU. AND SIR, DID YOU HAVE COMMENTS AS WELL? UHM, MY NAME IS OTIS COOK, UM, WEAND WA HUSBAND. UH, WE RESIDE AT, UH, 60 90 BLANCA STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 4 1. UH, WHEN WE, UH, PURCHASED THE HOME THROUGH THE UH, PROGRAM, UH, WE HAD, UM, PREVIOUS COMMUNICATION WITH MR. JOSEPH ABOUT THE PROPERTY. AND, UH, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, HE WAS, HE TOLD US HE WAS GONNA GET THE PAPERWORK FILLED OUT FOR US TO PURCHASE IT, BUT OF COURSE, THROUGH THE PROGRAM HE SAID HE COULD NOT. HE, UH, MADE US AWARE OF THAT, UH, LIKE MAYBE FOUR MONTHS AGO. AND, YOU KNOW, WE FELT KIND OF, UH, UPSET ABOUT THAT ISSUE. BUT THEREFORE THEN HE'S TELLING US THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUILD A HOME RIGHT NEXT TO US. THE SURVEYOR CAME OUT AND SURVEYED IT AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NEXT DOOR. I'M LIKE YOU NO ROOM IN BETWEEN OUR FENCE LINE. AND ALSO IT IS LIKE WE, UH, TRIED TO CONTACT OUR, UH, COMMISSIONER ABOUT IT, UH, MR. ATKINS, AND WE NEVER HEARD NOTHING FROM HIM. WE ALSO, UH, TRIED TO CONTACT HIM ABOUT OTHER ISSUES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE, UH, GROUP HOMES AND STUFF, BUT HE NEVER DID CONTACT US ABOUT IT. I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW DO WE CONTACT OUR COMMISSIONER IN OUR DISTRICT AND WE REACHED OUT TO 'EM, BUT THEY NEVER RETURNED, UH, A CALL OR INFORMATION ON ISSUES. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS, SIR? YES. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? ALRIGHT, MR. BALDWIN PRO RULES, YOU GET A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, SO MR. DINGMAN, COULD YOU MUTE YOUR MICROPHONE? I THINK WE'RE GETTING SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU. SO THE, THE PROPERTY HELL, IF I STAND BACK, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE THE ISSUE. OKAY, SO THE, THE PROPERTY IS PROPOSED WOULD BE EACH LOT WOULD BE 50 FEET WIDE, 125 FEET DEEP. I LIVE IN EAST DALLAS. THE LOTS THERE ARE GENERALLY 50 FEET WIDE, 175 FEET DEEP. WE HAVE FIVE FOOT SETBACKS ON EITHER SIDE. WE'RE PROPOSING THREE, UH, SEVEN AND A HALF FOOT SETBACK. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS CONSISTENT WITH MOST OF THE R SEVEN FIVE ZONING, UH, SETBACKS THAT YOU WOULD FIND IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. IT IS ZONED R FIVE. WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, OVER 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. IT MEETS THE, THE UNDERLYING ZONING AND IT MEETS THE LOT PATTERN THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO FIND IN AN R FIVE ZONING DISTRICT. UM, IT NOTRE DAME PLACE IS UNDER OBLIGATION TO BUILD A HOUSE THERE AND, UH, IF NOT, IT GETS DEFAULTED AND I GUESS IT GOES BACK TO THE CITY LAND BANK SO THAT SOMEONE ELSE CAN TRY THIS AGAIN LATER. UH, I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS REQUEST. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. BALDWIN. MR UH, COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO HAVE A MOTION. UM, IF YOU'LL BLAST ME JUST FOR ONE SEC. OKAY. AND THE MATTER OF PLAT DASH 25 DASH 0 0 9 9, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, REPL CHANGE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. GREAT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, I'LL SECOND IT. UH, DISCUSSION. I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE, UM, THE COUPLE WHO ARE IN OPPOSITION, UH, JUST AS, AS A A POINT OF INFORMATION, I AM NOW YOUR CPC, YOUR COMMISSIONER. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS REGARDING ZONING CHANGES IN THE AREA, FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME SINCE WE HAD A TRANSITION IN OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBER. MAYBE THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU DID NOT RECEIVE THE COMMUNICATIONS BACK. BUT OTHER THAN THE, THE CONCERNS OR YOUR, UM, YOUR DESIRE TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER CONCERNS AT THE, AT THE WAY THAT THE, UM, THE LAND IS PROPOSED TO BE IMPLANTED? [03:15:10] FOR ME, UM, AGAIN, MY NAME IS YOLANDA PFEIFFER, 60 90 BLO STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 4 1. BUT FOR ME, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO MR. JOSEPH OR WHAT HE'S DOING FOR THE COMMUNITY. HOWEVER, FOR THAT PART OF THAT LAND OF NINE SLASH 10, I DO FEEL THAT IT WILL NOT BE ENOUGH ROOM FOR ANOTHER HOME WHERE YOU COULD FEEL COMFORTABLE, PARK YOUR CAR. WE DO NOT HAVE A STREET WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY PARK YOUR CAR. YOU HAVE TO DRIVE ON AN ACTUAL, UM, ONE-WAY STREET BASICALLY. SO IT'S NOT EVEN FEASIBLE TO REALLY HAVE THAT KIND OF, I GUESS YOU WANT TO SAY DWELLING IN THAT SPOT BECAUSE NEIGHBORS, UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ME ACTUALLY USE THAT SPOT TOO TO PARK THEIR CARS BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PARKING. NO, IT'S JUST ONE WAY, ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT. BUT WHAT I DO WANT TO SAY TO YOU, IT IS A TRAP ZONE WHERE YOU HAVE NO VISUAL LINING OF THAT AREA. PEOPLE DO DRIVE FAST. WE NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF COMMUNICATION WITH YOU, WHICH I WOULD LOVE TO COME TO YOUR BUSINESS OF OFFICE RIGHT THERE BY THE FIRE STATION IF I COULD, BECAUSE THE TREES ARE SO BAD WHERE THEY'RE CUTTING THE STREET LIGHTS AND BREAKING THEM TOO. BUT THAT'S JUST, I'M SORRY, I WENT OFF TOPIC. UH, AND JUST ALSO AS A PART OF CLARIFICATION AS WELL IN THE, THE, THE PLANNING CASES, YOU KNOW, BY OUR PROCESS AND PROCEDURE WHERE WE AREN'T ABLE TO SPEAK WITH YOU AS WE HAVE A DIFFERENT ROLE THEN IF IT WAS A ZONING CHANGE. UM, BUT I, I DO INVITE YOU TO COME AND, AND MEET WITH EITHER MYSELF OR OUR CITY COUNCIL, A MEMBER, UH, BLAIR AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE TO DISCUSS OTHER ISSUES THAT YOU MAY HAVE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. I'LL POSE JUST A QUICK QUESTION TO MS. SHARMA. SO WHAT, WHAT CRITERIA ARE WE LOOKING AT IN DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT TO APPROVE THE REPL REQUEST? SO WE'LL CHECK MINIMUM LOT AREA STREET FRONTAGE AND THE LOT PATTERN. OKAY. AND CAN YOU JUST, I, I UNDERSTAND MINIMUM LOT AREA. CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN BY STREET FRONTAGE? IT HAS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE RIGHT OF WAY, PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IT MEETS, IT MEETS THE MINIMUM LOT AREA AND IT MEETS THE LOT PATTERN WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY. OKAY. AND WHEN YOU SAY LOT PATTERN, CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN THAT QUICKLY? SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A QUICK EXPLANATION ACTUALLY. YEAH. FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA READ THE DEFINITION WHAT IT EXPLAINS. IT EXPLAINS WITH THE CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 8.503 LOT MUST CONFORM IN WIDTH DEPTH AND AREA TO THE PATTERN ALREADY ESTABLISHED IN ADJACENT AREAS. SO I LOOKED AT, IT'S NOT IN A BLUNTER STREET, BUT IT'S IN CAN ROCK. WE HAVE APPROVED SIMILAR KIND OF, UH, SUBDIVIDING LOT, BIGGER LOT TO THIS EXACTLY SIMILAR KIND OF LOT AREA, WHICH IS CLOSE TO 5,000. SO THAT'S WHAT THE PATTERN I LOOKED AT BECAUSE IT EXPLAINS ABOUT ADJACENT AREAS, WHICH IS VAGUE. TOM, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, MS. CHARMER, I'LL JUST SAY THAT I AM GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION HERE. UM, MS. PFEIFFER AND MR. COOK, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS. WHAT WE DO HERE IN DECISIONS ON PLATTING REALLY LOOKS AT SUPER NARROW CRITERIA THAT ARE MANDATORY, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, DISCRETION TO DECIDE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. IF THE CRITERIA ARE MET, WE DO HAVE TO APPROVE THE REPL REQUEST, WHICH JUST ALLOWS THE PROPERTY TO BE DIVIDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUEST. SO I, I THINK OUR HANDS ARE ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, TIED HERE BY, BY THE CITY ORDINANCE SINCE ALL THE CRITERIA MET, WE DO NEED TO APPROVE IT. NOT TO SAY THAT YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT NEXT DOOR TO YOU AREN'T IMPORTANT, IT'S JUST THIS ISN'T THE VENUE WHERE WE CAN ADDRESS THEM. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE IN CONTACT WITH, YOU KNOW, THE GROUP NEXT DOOR THAT IS DOING THE REPL AND YOU KNOW, CONTINUE THAT DIALOGUE. SO HOPEFULLY YOU AND AS WELL AS WITH THE COUNCIL OFFICE, YOU CAN GET YOUR CONCERNS. BUT WE, WE HAVE VERY LITTLE TO NO DISCRETION ON THESE THINGS, BUT WE DO APPRECIATE YOU COMING DOWN. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, JUST ONE FOLLOW UP MS. SHARMA, UM, ON 17 E UM, AND I'M SURE IT'S ON ANOTHER ONE OF OUR PAGES IN OUR CASE REPORT AS WELL. IT APPEARS THAT THERE IS SOME DRAINAGE AND FROM THE, UM, PHOTOS OF THE SITE, IT APPEARS THAT IT IS A LOWER AREA AS A PART OF THEIR PERMITTING REVIEW AFTER A PLAT. THAT IS WHEN IF THERE ARE CONSIDERATIONS ABOUT ENGINEERING, I THINK WE HEARD TESTIMONY THAT THERE'S SOME, [03:20:01] UM, STORM WATER ISSUES, THOSE WILL ALL BE ADDRESSED AS IT GOES THROUGH THE ENGINEERING REVIEW PROCESS. IS THAT CORRECT? ACTUALLY WE ARE, ALL THE PLATS ARE REVIEWED BY OUR ENGINEERS AND IF THEY HAVE CONCERNS THEY WILL HAVE CONDITIONS ON OUR PLAT. AND SO, AND THAT'S PART OF OUR 17, UH, B AND C ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT THE PLAT IS SUBJECT TO? YES MA'AM. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND THEN JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON CHAIR RUBIN'S QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LOT WIDTH, I THINK IN LOOKING AT THE DIAGRAM THAT YOU PROVIDED TO US MM-HMM WITH THE LOT AREAS, UM, THE LOTS ON, LET ME GET MY STREET NAMES. M ROCK APPEAR TO HAVE MORE OF THE DIVIDED LOTS, BUT, UM, BLUNTER STREET ALSO ESSENTIALLY HAS A DOUBLE LOT AND A DIVIDED LOT PATTERN. IS THAT WHAT YOUR, UM, INFORMATION IS, IS SHOWING US IS THE VARIANCE IN THE DIFFERENT SIZES? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER FRANKLIN, WHICH I SECONDED TO, UM, FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT WITH THE TWO COMPLIANCE WITH CONDITIONS LISTED ON THE DOCKET. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. [18. 25-3001A An application to replat a 0.880-acre (38,329-square foot) tract of land containing part of Lots 6, 7,10 and 11 in City Block G/2822 to create one 0.435-acre (18,928-square foot) lot and one 0.445-acre (19,401-square foot) lot on property located on Tokalon Drive, west of West Shore Drive. Applicant/Owner: 6945 Tokalon LLC Surveyor: Texas Heritage Surveying, LLC Application Filed: September 24, 2025 Zoning: R-10(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Hema Sharma Council District: 9 PLAT-25-000100 (S245-244) ] ITEM NUMBER 18, ITEM 18 PLAT DASH 25 DASH 0 0 100. AN APPLICATION TO RE PLAT A 0.880 ACRE, THAT IS 38,329 SQUARE FOOT TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING PART OF LOT 6, 7, 10, AND 11 IN CITY BLOCK Z OVER 2 8 2 2 TO CREATE ONE 0.435 ACRE. THAT IS 80,928 SQUARE FOOT LOT AND ONE 0.445 ACRE. THAT IS 19,401 SQUARE FOOT LOT ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON TOLO DRIVE, WEST OF SHORE. WEST SHORE DRIVE 20 NOTICES WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON OCTOBER 6TH, 2025. WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE REPLY IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE REPLY IN OPPOSITION AFTER THE DEADLINE, ALL CASE THIS CASE HAVE BEEN POSTED FOR A HEARING AT THIS TIME. AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. SHARMA. UM, MR. BALDWIN. GOOD AFTERNOON. ROB BALDWIN. 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B AGAIN, UM, ANOTHER RESIDENTIAL REPLAY. THIS TIME IT'S IN LAKEWOOD. IT'S IN THE PORTION OF LAKEWOOD THAT IS ZONED R 10 A AND NOT IN CONSERVATION DISTRICT TWO. UM, THIS IS THE LOT I I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE, BUT THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A BUILDING TRACT THAT CONTAINS PARTS OF LOT SIX, ALL OF LOT SEVEN PARTS OF LOT 10 PARTS OF LOT 11. UH, AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO IS TO SPLIT IT IN TWO 19,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. UM, IT'S AN R 10. SO IT'S ALMOST TWICE AS BIG AS WHAT IS REQUIRED IN UNDERLINED ZONING DISTRICT. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, YOU'LL SEE THE LOT PATTERN TO THE NORTH OF US IS THAT 50 BY ONE 50 STANDARD AND SOUTH OF US IT'S, THEY'RE ABOUT 70 FEET, 60 TO 70 FEET WIDE AND ABOUT 125 FEET DEEP. OUR WIDTH ACROSS THE FRONT'S GONNA BE ABOUT 80 FEET. I THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS CONSISTENT WITH EXISTING LOT PATTERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK IF I WERE TO COME HERE AND TRY TO PUT ALL THOSE LOTS TOGETHER INTO ONE LOT, UH, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE EXISTING PATTERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT WE'RE ONE OF THE TWO LARGE LOTS ON THIS SIDE OF TOCAL ON UM, YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING LOT PATTERN THERE AGAIN. SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH UNDERLINED ZONING. THERE'S NOT AN ESTABLISHED LOT PATTERN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS EXIST WOULD MATCH OR EXCEED THE, UH, OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH AND OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH. THE ONLY OUTLIER THEN WOULD BE OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE, UH, IMMEDIATE EAST, WHO'S ALSO PART LOTS TWO, THREE, AND PART OF LOT SIX. SO THIS IN EAST DALLAS, IT'S WEIRD. PEOPLE JUST BOUGHT WHATEVER THEY COULD AFFORD AT THE TIME AND BUILT A HOUSE ON IT. AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY. SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THE PROPERTY ARE HERE. OWNER IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UM, HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON? ITEM 18. ALRIGHT, LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER KOONTZ FOR HIS VERY FIRST MOTION. , NO PRESSURE IN THE MATTER OF PLAT 2 5 0 0 1. [03:25:03] I MOVE TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. GREAT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KONZ FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I'LL JUST SAY GOOD JOB ON YOUR FIRST MOTION. COMMISSIONER KONZ. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES NUMBER 19. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WELCOME ABOARD TO ALL THE NEW COMMISSIONERS AND CONGRATULATIONS, CHAIR AND MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU VICE CHAIR. THANKS. [19. 25-3002A An application to replat a 1.447-acre (63,017-square foot) tract of land containing part of City Block 31/8617 to create one 0.353-acre (15,376-square foot) lot and one 1.094-acre (47,641-square foot) lot on property located on Ann Arbor Avenue, west of Cranfill Drive. Applicant/Owner: Jamie Bejar Alcaraz Surveyor: ARA Surveying Application Filed: September 24, 2025 Zoning: R-7.5(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Hema Sharma Council District: 4 PLAT-25-000104 (S245-249) ] ITEM 19, PLA 25 DASH 0 0 0 1 0 4. AN APPLICATION TO REPL A 1.447 ACRE THAT IS 63,000 0 1 7 SQUARE FOOT TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING PART OF CITY BLOCK 30 ON OVER 8 6 1 7 TO CREATE ONE 0.353 ACRE. THAT IS 15,376 SQUARE FOOT LOT AND ONE 1.094 ACRE. THAT IS 47,641 SQUARE FOOT LOT ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON ANN ARBOR AVENUE WEST OF CRANFIELD DRIVE. 21. NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON OCTOBER 6TH, 2025. WE HAVE RECEIVED YOUR REPLY IN FAVOR AND YOUR REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. SHARMER. THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON NUMBER 19? COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES. CHAIRMAN RUBIN IN THE MATTER OF CA PLAT CASE 25 DASH 0 0 0 1 0 4. I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FORSYTH FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES [20. 25-3003A An application to replat a 0.9189-acre (40,027-square foot) tract of land containing all of Lots 1A and 1B in City Block L/4981 to create one lot on property located on Midway Road at Canyon Drive, northeast corner Applicant/Owner: Ian Colin Edmonds and Mimi Edmonds Surveyor: A&W Surveyors, Inc. Application Filed: September 25, 2025 Zoning: PD 455 (Subdistrict C) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Hema Sharma Council District: 13 PLAT-25-000110 (S245-252) ] 20 ITEM 20 PLUS PLA 25 DASH 0 0 0 AND APPLICATION TO PLT A 0.9189 ACRE. THAT IS 40,000 0 0 2 7 SQUARE FOOT TRACK OF LAND CONTINUING ALL OF LOTS, ONE A AND ONE B IN CITY BLOCK L OVER 4, 9 8, 1 TO CREATE ONE LOT ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON MIDWAY ROAD AND CANYON DRIVE NORTHEAST CORNER 19. NOTICES WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON OCTOBER 6TH, 2025. WE HAVE RECEIVED THREE REPLY IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. STAFF RECOMMENDED AND APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET ARE AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. SHARMA. IS THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 20? GOOD. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER HALL, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO. MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF ITEM 20, CASE PLAT 25 0 0 0 1 1 0. I MOVE TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR MOTION. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES. WE'LL GO ONTO OUR 2026 CALENDAR. WELL I DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY IT'S BEING READ INTO THE RECORD, BUT WE DO HAVE IT POSTED AND I THINK WE DISCUSSED THAT THE COPY POSTED, HAD THE COPY POSTED, HAD A COUPLE ERRORS ON THAT. WE HAD A, WE HAD A ONE THAT FIXED THAT. UM, BUT BASICALLY STAFF HAS, HAS PROPOSED THE CALENDAR AS POSTED WITH THE CHANGES TO THE JULY MEETING BEING 7 23, THE NOVEMBER MEETING BEING NOVEMBER 19TH AND THE DECEMBER MEETING BEING DECEMBER. IT'S NOT DECEMBER 17TH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT. COMMISSIONER SIMS, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED CALENDAR FOR NEXT YEAR'S MEETINGS. DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, . GREAT. UH [OTHER MATTERS] OH, OF [03:30:01] COURSE COMMISSIONER HANSEN. WELL I JUST, AND I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT JUST SO WE CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSION, OUR FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY AS OPPOSED FOR THE 15TH, OUR LAST MEETING CURRENTLY IS DECEMBER THE FOURTH. SO THAT'S A PRETTY LONG GAP. I KNOW WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE HOLIDAY SEASON IN BETWEEN. IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION THAT THE BODY NEEDS TO THINK ABOUT TO ENSURE TIMELY CONSIDERATION OF OUR CASES? AND THAT'S A STAFF QUESTION IS AS YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AHEAD. YEAH. BASE BASED ON, ON OUR STAFF PROCESSING, I MEAN IT, IT MAKES SENSE. WE GET A TYPICAL SLOWDOWN IN, IN SUBMITTALS, WHICH DOES FREE THINGS UP A LITTLE BIT IN, IN DECEMBER. UM, A A ALLOWS SOME STAFF TO, TO TAKE TIME OFF. SO IN TERMS OF ZONING CASES AND, AND THAT BUSINESS SHOULD BE PRETTY TYPICAL FLOW THROUGH THAT PERIOD. UM, AND MR. BBAR IS LETTING ME KNOW THAT THERE SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE WITH PLATS OVER THAT PERIOD. SO WE'RE NOT EXPECTING A 500 PAGE DOCKET ON JANUARY THE 15TH. WE'LL MO WE'LL YEAH AND WE WILL MODERATE AND WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP THAT IN MIND. UM, THE, UH, THE LENGTH OF, OF THE JANUARY 15 MEETING FOR SURE. UM, BUT IT, IT DOES OFTEN SLOW DOWN AROUND DECEMBER THE THINGS THAT ARE GETTING, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, SUBMITTAL IS ONE THING, UM, BUT ALSO SUBMITTAL OF REVISIONS THAT ENABLE SOMEONE TO GET ON A MEETING ALSO, UM, SLOW DOWN AS WELL. NOT MANY PEOPLE ARE FIXING UP THEIR DEVELOPMENT INSIGHT PLANS, UM, OVER THE HOLIDAYS AS WELL. SO THAT, THAT I THINK WILL HELP US OUT. BUT AT THE SAME RATE STAFF WE WILL MODERATE TO A DEGREE AS BEST WE CAN. THANK YOU. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION AND I'LL JUST SAY IF THERE IS ANY REAL EMERGENCY OR TRULY URGENT MATTER, I DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING. HOPEFULLY I DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S A USEFUL TOOL TO HAVE AND I'M GLAD TO USE IT WHEN NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS PROCEED BUT EFFICIENTLY. HOPEFULLY I DON'T HAVE TO DO IT, BUT JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER COX? YES. IN LIGHT OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE CALENDAR, CAN WE ASK THE CITY SEC, OR I'M SORRY, CPC SECRETARY TO RESEND ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND UPDATED CALENDAR. THANK YOU. GREAT SUGGESTION COMMISSIONER COX. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SIMS, SECONDED BY VICE CHAIR HERBERT TO APPROVE THE 2026 CPC CALENDAR DRAFT AS REVISED TO REFLECT THE CORRECTED DATES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, IT IS 2:28 PM AND THAT CONCLUDES TODAY'S MEETING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.