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GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO TODAY'S MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.
IT IS NOVEMBER 3RD AT 1:02 PM AND I CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
I'M THE, UH, THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION, EVELYN MONTGOMERY.
AND TODAY, UH, COMMISSIONER REAGAN ROTHENBERGER WILL BE SERVING AS OUR VICE CHAIR AND WE HAVE A FORUM OF COMMISSIONERS PRESENT IF, UM, ELAINE COULD PLEASE CALL THE ROLE SO WE CAN ESTABLISH WHO IS PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON PRESENT.
AND COMMISSIONER REEDS PRESENT.
AND, UH, WE'LL BEGIN WITH, UM, NOTIONS FROM OUR VICE CHAIR ADDRESSING THE, UH, CONSENT AGENDA FOR WHICH WE DO HAVE A SPECIAL THING WE HAVE TO DO AND THEN, AND THEN REARRANGING OUR AGENDA TO REFLECT THOSE WHO ARE ITEMS THAT HAVE SPEAKERS.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR AND CONSENT ITEM SIX.
AND THAT WE MOVE DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER SEVEN TO THE CONSENT AGENDA AND APPROVE THIS ITEM AS PRESENTED BY STAFF.
I'LL LET US ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY, IS IT ALL RIGHT IF WE DO BOTH THOSE THINGS IN ONE MOTION? OKAY.
COMMISSIONER PREZI FOR YOUR SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? PLEASE SAY YES.
APPEARS THAT IS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
IF ANY ONE WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, YOU HAVE BEEN.
WE HAVE DECIDED TO FOLLOW, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND STAFF WILL CONVEY THOSE TO ALL OF THE APPLICANTS.
AND AGAIN, MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE REARRANGE THE AGENDA TO THE FOLLOWING.
OH, WE HAVE TO CONSENT BY FIRST.
YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S SO, UH, I'M, I HAVE MOVED THAT WE, UH, REARRANGE THE AGENDA IN THE FOLLOWING ORDER.
COURTESY REVIEW ONE THROUGH THREE.
DISCUSSION ITEMS. 1, 6, 8, 9, 10, 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE.
SO THERE ISN'T A SEVEN IS THE ANSWER MY QUESTION.
DO WE HAVE SECOND ON THAT? SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
NO OPPOSITION, THEREFORE, C FIVE IS FIRST.
CHRISTINA PEREZ, ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF, GO AND SEND ITEM NUMBER 5 2 14 NORTH MENT AVE, WINNETKA HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 25 0 0 0 3 5 6.
REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW PORCH STEPS AND A WALK, UH, A WALKWAY IN THE FRONT YARD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW PORCH STEPS AND WALKWAY IN FRONT YARD BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 11 3 20 25 WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE LOCATION OF THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK PRESENTS EVIDENCE OF A PREVIOUSLY EXISTING WALKWAY, THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87.1 11 B NINE MEETS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK.
UH, WE HAVE NOT APPOINTED A TASK FORCE READER YET.
IN THE ABSENCE OF A VOLUNTEER, I SHOW DRAFT MR. PREZI, AM I DRAFTING YOU? ALRIGHT.
AND WE, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR CONSENT AGENDA ITEM WAS
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NOT PULLED FOR ANY OTHER REASON OTHER THAN A MISPRINT IN THE AGENDA WHERE IT DID NOT TELL US WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS.THEREFORE, SHOULD WE VOTE TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WE WOULD NOT KNOW WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO.
SO, TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
NO QUORUM TASK FORCE IN FAVOR OF PROPOSED WORK.
ANYONE WISH TO MAKE A MOTION ABOUT THIS CONSENT AGENDA ITEM? LIKE MAYBE VICE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ABOUT THIS CONSENT AGENDA.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CONSENT FIVE AS PRESENTED.
AND OUR SECOND IS COMMISSIONER REEVES.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THAT ONE'S CARRIED.
STAFF CAN NOTIFY THE APPLICANT.
NOW WE CAN MOVE ON TO OUR COURTESY REVIEW.
I DO NOT HAVE A SPEAKER LISTED.
WE ALSO HAVE A SPEAKER FOR D FIVE PRESENT TODAY.
SO DOES STAFF NEED TO READ ANYTHING IN FOR COURTESY REVIEW OR C TO US? UM, YEAH.
READ IT IN THE UM, COURTESY ITEM.
DISCUSSION, NOT DISCUSSION COURTESY.
GOOD AFTERNOON COURTESY REVIEW ITEM ONE.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 2240 1D STREET IN THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER PRE-DESIGN MORATORIUM.
THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 DASH THREE 90.
THE REQUEST IS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT AND TASK FORCE ON THIS ONE.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS.
MAKE SURE DRAWINGS PLANS MATCH MATERIAL SCHEDULE, ALSO CORRECT SIDING IMAGE ON SCHEDULE SHOWS MILLWORK.
PATTERN NUMBER ONE 17, NOT PATTERN NUMBER 1 0 5 2 LOWER AND WIDE AND FRONT DORMER.
THREE BLACK ROOFING SHINGLES ARE NOT APPROPRIATE, UH, TO THE DISTRICT FOUR.
FRONT DOOR SHOULD BE CRAFTSMAN STYLE AND HAVE AT LEAST THREE TOP LIGHTS.
ADD WINDOW TO LEFT ELEVATION NEAR 50%.
ADD PAIRED WINDOWS TO LEFT ELEVATION FRONT 50%.
ALRIGHT, AND I HAVE A SPEAKER SIGNED UP FOR CURSORY REVIEW ONE.
UM, THIS IS MY FIRST HISTORICAL DISTRICT PROPERTY.
I JUST WANTED TO COME EDUCATE MYSELF ABOUT THE PROCESS, SEE IF I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, SO THE NEXT TIME THIS COMES UP, I'LL BE WELL EQUIPPED TO HANDLE.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR WANTING OUR ADVICE.
UH, I HOPE YOU LIKE IT, BUT
NO, STAY UP THERE 'CAUSE WE WILL ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW IS GENERALLY A BACK AND FORTH WHERE WE, UM, IF WE HAVE ANY CONCERNS, WE ASK YOU ABOUT THEM AND IF THERE'S AN OPTION TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU DO OR DO NOT WANT TO CONSIDER DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, COMMISSIONERS,
NO, WE DON'T WANT TO BE ON THE COUNCIL, PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I HAVE A QUESTION.
THE DORMER LOOKS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF SCALE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DOWN TOO FAR ON THE, ON THE ROOF.
IT, SOMETHING LOOKS AWKWARD ABOUT IT.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE SEE ANYTHING ON THE SCALE OR SEEMS A BIT LARGE FOR THE ROOF? YEAH, THERE'S, I THINK IT'S EITHER TOO LARGE OR TOO FAR DOWN ON THE, I HAVE A, UM, AN, UH, ANOTHER ADDRESS TO LOOK AT AS AN EXAMPLE FOR THE DORMER.
IT'S, UH, ON THE SAME STREET, A COUPLE OF HOUSES DOWN 2300 DAY D-A-T-H-T STREET.
AND THAT ONE HAS A HIP CONDITION ON THE ROOF TOO.
IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE, UM, TO THE APPLICATION ON, ON YOUR HOME AS WELL.
SO I THINK THAT ONE WOULD CREATES A GOOD ONE TO LOOK AS A, AS A MODEL.
I I JUST WROTE THAT DOWN WHEN WE SENT OVER THE FINAL CORRECTIONS.
I'LL TRY TO MI UH, MIMIC TO THAT.
THANK I I ALSO HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT.
I NOTICED THAT THERE'S, UM, MULTIPLE LIGHT WINDOWS ON THE UPPER SASH.
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TRUE DIVIDED LIGHTS? MEANING ARE THE, UM, THE MULIAN THE DIVIDERS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE GLASS? YES.SO THEY ARE THREE DIMENSIONAL ON THE OUTSIDE? CORRECT.
UM, AND I ALSO NOTICED ON THE, THE ROOF, UM, GUESS IT'S THE ROOF FRAMING PLAN THAT THE DORMER IS NOT CENTERED, BUT YET IT'S CENTERED ON THE, ON THE, ON THE EL FRONT ELEVATION
SO I THINK THAT MIGHT JUST BE A DRAWING HERE, BUT MAKE SURE TO CORRECT THAT FOR FUTURE.
YEAH, WE WENT, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THIS PLAN.
HARD, THIS LOT IS ONLY 26 WIDE.
UM, THE NEIGHBORS IN THOSE AREAS HAVE ENCROACHED AND BUILT A HOUSE PARTLY ON MY CLIENT'S LOT.
SO, UM, I'LL GET THAT ADDRESSED.
AND UH, THIS IS, WE WENT BACK HARD, UH, WITH RHONDA TO TRY TO FIND THE EXACT PLAN THAT'LL WORK.
SO ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THIS PLAN, WE NEED TO GET IT APPROVED.
WE WERE WILLING TO MAKE IT GET THIS ONE DONE.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT AREN'T WE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE DORMER POLICEMAN? YEAH, PUTTING THE DORMER IN THERE.
I ALSO THINK THE DORMER COMES OUT A LITTLE TOO FAR.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATE OR THE UH, SIDE ELEVATIONS, IT COMES ALL THE WAY OUT
'CAUSE IT SHOULDN'T COME ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE PLANE OR THE FRONT SIDE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY, WELL I HAVE, I HAVE SOMETHING TO ADDRESS.
SO THIS IS APPARENTLY BEING BUILT BY A PART.
YOU'RE BUILDING IT FOR A PARTICULAR BUYER, NOT AS ONE YOU WILL PUT ON THE MARKET.
SO SOMEONE HAS CHOSEN HOW THEY WANT THIS HOUSE TO LOOK? NO, I'M BUILDING IT FOR THE, THE LOT OWNER AND OKAY.
HE MAY DECIDE TO RENT IT OR SELL IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE DECIDED TO.
AND YOU HAVE, HE CHOSE TO GO WITH THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH GOING WITH THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE.
UM, BUT WE WERE TALKING EARLIER, THEY'RE BUILDING SO MUCH CRAFTSMAN IN QUEEN CITY MORE THAN THERE EVER WAS BEFORE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO HOPE THAT SOME PEOPLE WILL CHOOSE A DIFFERENT STYLE OR A DIFFERENT TYPE OF COLUMN.
UM, THERE ARE COLUMNS THAT DON'T TAPER AT THE TOP THAT HAVE BRICK AND THEN JUST A SQUARE COLUMN THAT ARE ALSO APPROPRIATE TO TO THIS STYLE.
AND THERE ARE OTHER DOORS AS WELL SO THAT MAYBE WE DON'T END UP WITH ALL THE NEW HOUSES LOOKING KIND OF ALIKE.
'CAUSE YOU'RE IN DANGER OF LOOKING LIKE ALL THE OTHER NEW BUILDS WITH YOUR CURRENT COLUMN AND DOOR CHOICE.
WE'VE SEEN THOSE SO MANY TIMES.
SO IF YOU COULD CONSIDER, UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF COULD WORK WITH YOU ON SOME OTHER WAYS TO DO IT SO THAT YOUR HOUSE WILL STAND OUT MORE INSTEAD OF UM, JUST BEING LIKE ALL THE OTHER NEW ONES THAT ARE BUILT.
THERE'S A LOT OF LOTS THERE AND IF THEY ALL BUILD THE EXACT SAME HOUSE IT'S GONNA GET, IT'S GONNA THROW OFF THE WAY THE STREET LOOKS AND THEY'LL ALL LOOK LIKE A DEVELOPER BUILD.
I DON'T THINK YOU'D WANT THAT LOOK.
ANY OTHER CONCERNS? 'CAUSE REMEMBER IF WE CAN SEE THIS COME BACK FOR AN ACTUAL CA AND WE HAVEN'T SPOTTED CONCERNS, THAT IS, UM, ANNOYING TO THE APPLICANT
UH, I WANTED TO MAKE ONE MORE, UM, SUGGESTION ON THE COLUMNS.
IT, IT APPEARS THAT THEY TAPER QUITE A BIT.
UM, WE WERE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THAT AS A, AS A GENERAL DETAIL TOO.
STARTING OFF AT ONE FOOT AND THEN TAPERING TO TO SIX INCHES AT THE TOP IF THAT COULD MAYBE BE EIGHT OR SO.
IT'S SO THAT IT ISN'T QUITE AS POINTED AT THE TOP.
HAS ANYONE SPOKE ABOUT THE ARCHED UH, GRILL? GRILL OF THE, AT THE DORM? IT JUST SEEMS TO BE, IT JUST SEEMS KIND OF, UH, THAT'S THE ONLY ARCHED ELEMENT ON IT ON THE HOUSE AND WOULDN'T SEEM TO BE FITTING TO THE, TO THE HOUSE ITSELF AS WELL AS CRAFTSMEN ON THAT.
UH, I'D RECONSIDER THE, UH, THE ARCHED GRILL AT THE DORMER AS WELL WHEN YOU WERE PAYING ATTENTION TO ALL THE OTHER DORMER QUESTIONS WE'VE HAD.
IS THERE, UM, A REASON THAT YOU WANT TO DO THE DORMER? A SPECIFIC REASON? WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE MOST OF THE HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
2300 DAY, IS IT ARCH STORE? IS IT A SQUARE? IT'S A RECTANGLE.
YEAH, WE WERE, WE WERE ACTUALLY TRYING TO MAKE SURE THIS HOUSE FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOT BE A LOT DIFFERENT.
UM, BUT WE'LL TAKE ALL THESE INTO CONSIDERATION.
YEAH, MY, MY ONLY POINT WAS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE EVERYBODY STARTED BUILDING NEW THINGS, HAD A VARIETY OF HOUSES AND ALL THE NEW ONES WE'RE SEEING ARE ALL CRAFTSMEN.
SO EVENTUALLY THAT WOULD MAKE SUCH A PROPORTION
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OF CRAFTSMEN THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE OLDER HOUSES ARE THE WRONG ONES.ANY OTHER ADVICE? DO WE HAVE THE COLORS ON THE SOUTH SHIFT? PAINT COLORS? HAVE YOU CONSIDERED PAINT COLORS? YES.
PAINT COLORS SHOULD BE LISTED.
AND I THINK THE TASK FORCE NOTED THAT A BLACK SHINGLE IS WRONG.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T LIKE THAT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE GO WITH WEATHERED WOOD 'CAUSE IT LOOKS OLD FASHIONED, SOMETHING VERY NEUTRAL.
AND THEN THE PAINTS ARE GRAY AND BRONZES.
IS THERE A WAY I CAN PASS THIS? THOSE ARE THE, JUST THE IDEA OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I DIDN'T KNOW HOW MANY THE BRAND NOW THIS IS THE CHAT GPT RING.
SO, BUT I DID PUT THOSE COLORS IN THERE JUST TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
JUST IN CASE THESE QUESTIONS CAME UP.
WELL WE'LL SEE IF CHAT GP DID, DID YOU HELP OR HARM? BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT MIGHT COME OUT WITH SOMETHING IN THE NO.
WELL YOU MEANT NOW THIS WAS BEFORE SOME OF THESE, UH, SUGGESTED CHANGES.
SO, AND, AND THIS ROOF IS NOT BLACK AND IT LOOKS BETTER WHAT BEEN BLACK.
THE COLUMN LOOKS LIKE IT'S NATURAL WOOD.
IS THAT, IS IT PAINTED OR IS IT STAINED WOOD? STAINED WOOD.
IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE PAINTED BECAUSE THERE, THESE HOUSES NEVER HAD NATURAL WOOD THAT WAS ALWAYS PAINTED.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE UNUSUAL TO HAVE A, A STAINED COLUMN.
THAT COULD DEFINITELY BE THE GPV OR THE PRINTER.
NO, BUT HE SAID IT WAS STAINED, RIGHT? YEAH, WE, WE WERE LIKE, WE WERE GOING FOR A
WE WERE GOING FOR A CONTRAST BETWEEN THE COLUMN, UH, THE SIDING AND THEN THE BRICK.
BUT IF IT LOOKS BETTER PAINTED, THAT'S EASY TOO.
AND THIS IS ALSO CLARIFIED THAT IF YOU WANT TO GO WITH THESE TYPE OF COLUMNS WITH THE BRICK ON THE BOTTOM AND THE TAPERED WOOD AT THE TOP TOP, YOUR BRICK BASE IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH, WHICH WE CAN SEE BY THE FACT THAT IT'S ONE AND A HALF BRICKS WIDE AND IT SHOULD BE TWO, TWO AND A HALF.
IT SHOULD BE WIDER THAN THIS THAT HAS DESTROYED OKAY.
ANYWAY, IF IT LOOKS LIKE THIS TOO SKINNY.
WE DO NOT WANT A TOO SKINNY COLUMN THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'LL HOLD UP A PORCH IF IT'S TOO SKINNY.
I DON'T THINK I GAVE IT ENOUGH PROMPTS.
WELL NOW, YOU KNOW NOT TO TRUST A COMPUTER.
ANYBODY ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, YOU HAVE YOUR LIGHT ON? YEAH.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS HAS BEEN SPOKE OF.
THIS SEEMS A BUILD A LITTLE LIGHT ON THE, UH, HOW MUCH DAYLIGHT IS, UH, YOU'VE GOT THREE WINDOWS ON THAT WHOLE SIDE.
DID THEY, THEY HAVE A QUESTION.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF I HAD SKIPPED OVER THAT.
UM, AND I WOULD ALSO, THIS IS KIND OF GOES FOR A LONG WAYS.
I JUST, UM, WOULD BE, UH, CONCERNED ALSO JUST ON YOUR, YOUR, THE SHINGLE TYPE, MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S NOT, THAT, THAT, UH, REAL THIN JUST MINIMUM SHINGLE SELECTION TO WHERE THAT STANDS OUT.
LIKE A SORE THUMB FROM THE STREET.
I MEAN YOU CAN INSTANTLY NOTE WHEN THOSE, IT'S THAT THINNEST SHINGLE OPTION.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO EMULATE SOME SORT OF, UH, UM, ACTUAL DEPTHS OF THINGS OF, OF THAT NATURE.
AND THEN WHEN THOSE SHINGLES ARE ALL JUST COMPLETELY FLAT, THAT YOU SPEND SO MUCH TIME DOING A GREAT DESIGN AND THAT WILL, THAT WILL DISTRACT FROM IT.
UM, SO I TRY TO GET SOME SORT OF DEFINITION ON, UH, THICKNESS ON THE SHINGLES.
IS THAT ALL FOR THIS ONE? WELL, ONE MORE? NO.
SO, UM, YOU'RE SHOWING A, A NINE FOOT PLATE, UM, BASICALLY THE, THE TOP OF THE, THE INTERIOR WALLS.
SO, AND THEN ON THE SIDE ELEVATION YOU'RE SHOWING, UH, A LEFT IN PARTICULAR THAT
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LIKE THE WINDOW HEADS ARE AT AROUND EIGHT FEET OR THEY'D LIKELY BE AROUND SEVEN FEET.IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE THE, I THINK THOSE WINDOWS ARE SIX FEET WINDOWS ON THE PLANE.
SO I'M TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE HEAD WOULD BE.
SO, UM, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MATCH 'EM TO THE FRONT DOOR, THEY'RE USUALLY AROUND SEVEN FEET INSTEAD OF, SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF I'M LOOKING AT THE LEFT ELEVATION, IT LOOKS CORRECT.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE FRONT ELEVATION, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE, THEY'RE HIGHER, THEY'VE BEEN PLACED HIGHER ON THE WALL.
UM, SO MY SUGGESTION THERE IS IF AGAIN YOU LOOK AT THE 2300 DAY, THERE'S A FREEZE BOARD AT THE TOP TO TAKE UP SOME OF THAT DIMENSION BECAUSE THE, UM, THE WINDOW AND THE WAY THAT THE SST COMES IN WILL BE ABOUT A FOOT APART FROM EACH OTHER RATHER THAN RIGHT ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
SO A FREEZE BOARD ADDS ANOTHER LAYER OF, UH, CHARACTER DEFINING, UH, ELEMENT THAT AGAIN TIES IT IN WITH A NICELY LIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I'D ASK YOU TO, TO INCORPORATE THAT.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE ELEVATIONS HAVE EXPOSED RAFTERS RIGHT NOW.
I CAN'T QUITE TELL BECAUSE THEY'RE SO, UM, YOU'RE SHOWING KIND OF WHY THEY'RE ALMOST MORE LIKE DENTALS.
UM, IF THOSE ARE IN FACT ENCLOSED AGAIN, THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO 2300.
SO YOU MIGHT JUST, YOU KNOW, AND LOOK AT THOSE DETAILS.
ALRIGHT MR. ANDERSON, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE OR DO YOU LIKE, ALRIGHT, ANYBODY AT HOME HAVE ANYTHING THEY WISH TO SAY? ALL RIGHT THEN.
UM, WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMING AND ASKING OUR OPINION.
SO, UM, AND WE WISH YOU WELL WITH, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON YOUR DESIGN AND COMING BACK TO SEE US SO THAT YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD.
IT'S NOW COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER TWO.
COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER TWO IS LOCATED AT 26 26 THOMAS AVENUE IN THE STATE THOMAS HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 25 DASH 3 83.
THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO AND A HALF STORY MIXED USE MAIN STRUCTURE WITH PARKING ON A VACANT LOT COURTESY.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION REQUIRED.
THAT A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO AND A HALF STORY MIXED USE MAIN STRUCTURE WITH PARKING ON A VACANT LOT BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT THE NEW 2.5 STORY MIXED USE MAIN STRUCTURE.
THE PARKING ON A VACANT LOBBY CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS, CAN'T BUILD OVER STORM EASEMENT, ONLY FLAT PAVING ITEMS ADDRESSED.
UH, PORCH BEING, UH, ENGAGED IN THE BUILDING.
CANTILEVERS REDUCED FROM SEVEN FEET TO FOUR FEET AND PULLED BACK FROM THE FRONT ELEVATION.
VERTICAL SIDING, CHANGE TO HORIZONTAL.
SIMPLIFY THE WINDOW CONFIGURATION RECOMMENDATION.
HAVE MORE CONTRAST OF THE PAINT COLORS.
BRING SIDING AND PAINT SAMPLES TO LANDMARK COMMISSION, WIDER COLUMNS ON THE PORCH AND WIDER TRIM.
AND WE HAVE A SPEAKER FOR THIS ONE.
MR. RIVAS, IS YOUR MICROPHONE ON? AND YOU MAY HAVE TO SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO IT TO MAKE SURE THE COMMISSIONER'S AT HOME CAN HEAR YOU.
IS THE LIGHT ON IT IS NOW? YOU MAY HAVE TO YELL AT US.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANNA START WITH TELLING US ABOUT THE PROJECT? UH, NO.
I MEAN, I THINK, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, PEOPLE ARE GENERALLY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT WE WERE DOING HERE PROGRAMMATICALLY.
WE HAVEN'T CHANGED THE APPROACH.
WE HAVE, UH, FIVE MULTI FORMAL FAMILY UNITS AND A, UH, SMALL COMMERCIAL SPACE.
YEAH, WE ARE HAVING DIFFICULTY HEARING YOU.
I DUNNO IF AT HOME THEY CAN HEAR HIM.
COMMISSIONERS AT HOME COMMISSIONER TAYLOR SAYS HE CAN.
UM, AND SO CONCEPTUALLY THE, THE THE PROGRAM, UM, HERE HAS NOT CHANGED.
UM, WE'VE TAKEN COMMENTS FROM THE VARIOUS SOURCES LAST, UM, GO AROUND AT THE DIFFERENT LEVELS, STAFF TASK FORCE AND OF COURSE THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
AND WE'VE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE BUILDING AND THE MASSING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS.
AND I THINK THEY'RE ADDRESSED, UM,
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FOR THE MOST PART IN THE BULLET POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN READ INTO THE RECORD.SO, UM, I DON'T, WHAT I'D LIKE TO ADD, UM, ON THE, THE CANTILEVER BULLET POINT IS IN ADDITION TO REDUCING THE SCALE OF THE PROJECTION FROM THE BUILDING, UM, IT IS NO LONGER A CONTINUOUS PROJECTION.
WE HAVE, UH, THEY, THEY'VE BEEN KIND OF MASKED INTO A SERIES OF BAY WINDOWS ALONG THE WEST, SORRY, THAT'S THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, SO THOSE PROJECTIONS, UH, PAIR WITH THE DORMERS ABOVE AND IT CREATES A SMALL BALCONY SPACE, UM, ON FOR THE THIRD FLOOR WINDOWS.
UM, THAT'S, WE'RE GONNA HAVE FOUR FEET DEEP.
SO, UM, AND IT GIVES SOME SCALE TO THAT, OTHERWISE FAIRLY LONG ELEVATION AT A, IT'S WELL ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET LONG.
SO, UH, OUR THOUGHT IS THAT GIVES US A NICE RHYTHM AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A PRETTY GOOD VIEW IN THAT DIRECTION.
UM, 'CAUSE EVERYTHING TO THE RIGHT OF US IS, UM, IS LOW, SO, UH, OR SORRY, TO THE EAST OF US.
AND SO THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF SPACE WITH TREES AND VEGETATION THAT, UH, CAPTURE VIEWS IN THAT DIRECTION.
UM, WE DISENGAGED THE PORCH FROM THE BUILDING, UM, PLAYED WITH THE SETBACKS A LITTLE.
AND SO THE, THE TALL MASSING IS NOW IN LINE WITH THE TALL MASSING ON THE UP ONE SIDE ON THE WEST SIDE.
AND THEN ON THE EAST SIDE, UH, THEY HAVE A MUCH SMALLER SETBACK AND THE ONE STORY HOUSE.
AND SO THIS KIND OF ONE AND A HALF STORY PORCH, UM, STARTS TO BRIDGE THE DIVIDE, CLEAN THOSE TWO THINGS.
SO, UM, IT DOESN'T COME OUT QUITE AS FAR AS THE HOUSE ITSELF DOES, BUT UM, IT HELPS STEP DOWN VISUALLY FROM THE TWO STORY VOLUME TO THE ONE STORY, UM, HOUSE ON OUR SIDE, WHICH YOU SEE HERE, ELEVATION.
UH, SO AS FAR AS THE WINDOWS AND WE WENT, WE HAD IT PREVIOUSLY, WE HAD ASYMMETRICAL WINDOW ARRANGEMENTS, UH, WITHIN THE FRAMES.
AND SO THOSE HAVE BEEN PAIRED IN THEIR SYMMETRICAL FRONT ELEVATION.
WE'VE TRIED, WE'VE TRIED TO KEEP THOSE, UH, OPENINGS CONSISTENT, UM, IN SIZE.
BUT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE BUILDING RECESSIVE, VISUALLY, UM, SO THAT WE'RE NOT, UM, CREATING ANY UNNECESSARY VISUAL.
WE WANT SOMETHING THAT'S SIMPLE AND RECESSIVE.
AND THAT KIND OF GOES TO THE WHERE WE, THE DIRECTION WE WERE GOING ON THE COLOR SCHEME, WHICH IS IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS HERE.
UM, AND SO MAYBE IF YOU FLIP FORWARD TO THE COLOR ELEVATION, THAT'S THE PORCH REFERENCE.
UM, IT'S AROUND THE CORNER, BUT, UH, MAYBE BACK UP ONE.
UH, SO WE HAVE A MEDIUM DARK GRAY AS A PRIMARY BODY COLOR.
UM, IF IT'S, UH, AND THEN THE PRIMARY TRIMS ENVISIONED AS BEING NATURAL SEAL AND YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS THERE, WHICH WOULD BE TO SEAL IT AND TREAT IT.
IDEALLY WE WOULD ACTUALLY PREFER TO NOT AND JUST LET IT SILVER, UH, AND GRAY OVER TOP.
AND SO THAT, THAT BECOMES THIS KIND OF, UH, NOT MONOCHROMATIC.
I MEAN THERE'S STILL GONNA BE A CONTRAST WITH TRIM AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE CEDAR ELEMENTS 'CAUSE IT HAS LIKE A SILVERY GRAY QUALITY OF GRAYS.
BUT, UM, SO THERE'S TWO POSSIBLE DIRECTIONS THERE.
I THINK THE FRONT DOOR WE WOULD GO WITH A, A WOOD FINISH, UM, THAT WOULD STAY WOOD TONE IN THAT, THAT CASE, BUT THE OTHER ELEMENTS WOULD BE GRAYING OVER TIME.
SO IF THAT IS ALL THE UPDATES I HAVE, I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS.
COMMISSIONERS, WHAT DO YOU THINK? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? UH, YES, I DO AGREE WITH THE TASK FORCE THAT THERE PROBABLY SHOULD BE MORE CONTRAST IN THE PAINT COLORS, THE WATER, UM, WATER COLUMNS AND WIDER TRIMMED.
I THINK THE COLUMNS NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF, LIKE A BASE AND UM, AND CAPITAL.
SOME KIND OF A VERY SIMPLE, I KNOW THIS IS VERY CONTEMPORARY, BUT GENERALLY THERE'S A, A CAPITAL AND A BASE OF THE COLUMNS.
UM, ARE YOU, ARE YOU BUILDING OVER THAT EASEMENT IN THE BACK? UH, THERE'S JUST PARKING BACK THERE.
SO THAT WAS NOT CORRECT THOUGH.
WELL, NO, I THINK THEY'RE JUST POINTING OUT THAT THAT WAS A CONSTRAIN ON SITE OR JUST LONG, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE EASEMENT IS, UH, EVIDENT THAT EASEMENT CAN'T BE BUILT ON.
UM, AND I DON'T REALLY, GENERALLY THE, THE COLUMNS AND THE BANISTER NEED TO BE PAINTED.
UM, WE DON'T REALLY DO STAINED WOOD AND WE DON'T DO NATURAL WOOD.
SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE PAINTED MAYBE A CONTRASTING COLOR.
'CAUSE THE WHOLE THING IS VERY MONOCHROMATIC AND IF YOU ALLOW THE, THE WOOD TO GRAY, IT'S GOING TO GRAY INTO THE SAME COLOR OR SIMILAR COLOR TO WHAT'S THERE.
SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE PAINT CONTRAST.
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AND MY, MY FEELING IS YOU DEFINITELY SHOULD PAINT ALL THE WOOD.THE FRONT DOOR CERTAINLY CAN BE NATURAL AND, AND STAINED.
I MEAN, UH, COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
YEAH, I'M JUST GONNA ADDRESS JUST SOME CONCERNS.
THE, UM, WELL THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, I UNDERSTAND, BUT THE, THE OVERALL DESIGN AND THE LENGTH AND THE RHYTHM OF THE WINDOWS, IT, TO ME IT'S ALLUDING TO A COMMERCIAL OR MULTIFAMILY JUST FOR ONE.
IT HAS A COMMERCIAL, IT IS A MIXED USE TO, I SAID RESIDENTIAL.
I GUESS IT, I DIDN'T SEE THAT AS MO OKAY.
THEN I'LL SKIP THAT, I'LL SKIP OVER THAT.
THE, UM, THE SECOND FLOOR BUMP OUTS THAT PROTRUDE TO ME ARE SEEMINGLY WAY OUTTA SCALE.
THEY'RE JUST VERY, VERY LARGE AND VERY, UH, CANTILEVER OUT THERE AS WELL AS IT, UH, I HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE RAILING THAT'S ON TOP OF THAT.
ON ONE OF 'EM IT SEEMED THE, UM, THE SPACE IN BETWEEN THE TOP FLOOR WINDOW, THE THIRD FLOOR WINDOW, THAT SPACE BETWEEN THAT WINDOW AND THE UNDERSIDE OF THE APEX OF THE GABLE JUST SEEMS LIKE A LARGE, A NUMBER OF SPACE THAT KIND OF JUST SEEMS OUT OF CONTEXT TO A TYPICAL GABLE CONFIGURATION WITH A WINDOW IN THE, IN THERE.
UH, THAT THOSE AREN'T JUST SOME OF MY CONCERNS THAT ARE POPPING UP.
AND I'LL LET THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS SPEAK AND I'LL KIND OF FINE TUNE WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
COMMISSIONER RENO IS YOUR, YEAH, I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE GABLE VENTS OR FIRST OF ALL, ARE THEY GABLE VENTS? 'CAUSE THEY'RE LABELED AS TRIM TWO.
THAT'S THE YEAH, THE COLOR ITSELF.
BUT YEAH, I MEAN THE INTENT IS THAT I THINK IT'S STILL, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE FUNCTIONAL, DENSE OR NOT, BUT THE TENSION IS THAT THE RESEMBLE FENCE.
SO WELL, OKAY, SO THEN I'M, THEN THE QUESTION IS, IS IT ACTUALLY LIKE A, UH, AN ALUMINUM PAINTED THE SAME COLOR OR IS IT JUST A DIFFERENT PATTERN OF THE UH, UH, OF THE SIDING? IT'S JUST A PATTERN OF PAINTED TRIM.
'CAUSE IT'S RENDERED DIFFERENTLY.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE RENDERING ACTUALLY MEANS.
IF IT'S THREE, THREE DIMENSIONAL OR YEAH, IT'S A SHADOW LINE.
I MEAN IT'S, YOU WOULD SUGGEST AN OPENING WITH ROUGHLY TWO INCHES, INCHES, TWO INCHES SOLID OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, WE HAVE A WHOLE LAYER OF DETAILS AND THINGS TO DEVELOP HERE.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET PAST THE FRONT END, LIKE MASSING BEFORE WE SPEND A LOT OF EFFORT ON THE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
WELL, OKAY, BECAUSE I'LL TELL YOU WHERE MY LINE OF THINKING WAS IS THAT IF IT IS IN FACT A GABLE VENT, TYPICALLY GABLE VENTS WEREN'T A DETAIL FOR, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UH, QUASI CRAFTSMAN.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE GENERALLY, IF IT WAS A LU OR A OR A VENT, IT WAS EITHER HORIZONTAL OR VERTICAL RATHER THAN FILLING UP THE ENTIRE, UH, LOOKING LIKE A TRIANGLE.
I MEAN, UM, YOU, WHETHER IT'S A, JUST ANOTHER DIFFERENT PATTERN OF, UH, OF SIDING, UH, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S TRYING TO MIMIC A, A LOUVER UH, UH, VENT IT, THEY WERE, YOU DIDN'T SEE THEM, UH, IN THAT TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION.
YEAH, I MEAN I, THE INTENT IS THAT IT BECOME, IT VISUALLY IT JUST BECOMES A VARIATION OF THE SIDING, UH, AND SUGGEST EVENT.
BUT AGAIN, I, WE'RE NOT FAR ENOUGH ALONG TO DECIDE IF WE WANT AN ACTUAL, IT HAS TO DO WITH SPRINKLING AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER RANDOM REQUIREMENTS OF HOW WE TREAT THAT MATTER.
QUESTION FOR YOU IS, ARE THE WINDOWS, ARE THE WINDOWS NOT SYMMETRICAL TO THEMSELVES WITH THE CENTER VOLUME? THEY, THEY ARE.
SO THEY'RE EQUAL, THEY'RE EQUAL DISTANCE.
'CAUSE THERE MUST BE LIKE A, I KNOW SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE STRETCHING AND TRYING TO REDUCE MASS OF, UH, MASSING SOME, UH, SOMETIMES SOMETHING CAN STRETCH AND THE WINDOWS ON ELEVATION I'M LOOKING AT, UM, ARE SMALLER.
THE, THE, THE LIGHTS OF THE WINDOW ARE SMALLER ON THE LEFT SIDE THAN THE RIGHT SIDE.
SO THEY MAY HAVE HAD ONE THAT WAS STRETCHED AND THEN JUST STARTED COPYING THOSE AT ALL.
THE OTHER PREVIOUS SUBMISSION.
THERE'S A SECTION THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED.
SO THAT WAS A COMMENT PROBABLY WE PICKED UP LAST TIME.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE? I NOTICED SOMETHING ALSO THE PEWS OF THE WEST ELEVATION ON THE FIRST FLOOR TOWARD THE FRONT.
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AT ALL.AND THAT'S GONNA BE THE OBVIOUS FROM THE STREET.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN IT'S, SO THE FRONT GROUND LEVEL IS THE COMMERCIAL SPACE AND THEN THAT SIDE WALKWAY IS THE ACCESS TO THE RESIDENTIAL LOBBY THAT'S KIND OF SIDE ACCESS.
AND SO IT WOULD JUST BE PEOPLE WALKING BY, WHATEVER'S GOING ON IN THE COMMERCIAL SPACE.
SO WHAT IS GOING ON ON THE FIRST FLOOR, WEST ELEVATION, WHERE THE BIG BLANK SPOT IS? WHAT'S, WHAT'S BEHIND THERE? YOU SEE THAT'S COMMERCIAL.
I'M THE BIG BLACK, THE BIG, THE BIG BLANK AREA THOUGH.
YEAH, THAT'S THE COMMERCIAL AREA ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
THAT AND, AND COMMERCIAL AREAS CAN'T HAVE WINDOWS.
WELL THEY HAVE WINDOWS ON THE OTHER SIDES.
IT, IT COULD HAVE WINDOWS THERE.
WELL I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WINDOWS THERE 'CAUSE IT'S GOT A BALANCE.
AND ALSO YOU HAVE, UM, ON THE FRONT F SIDE, YOU HAVE SOME DOUBLE WINDOWS ARE GANGED.
ARE THEY, DO THEY HAVE A, UM, A WOOD, UH, ARE THEY GANGED WITH, UH, A ONE BY FOUR IN THE MIDDLE OR ARE THEY JUST PUSHED TOGETHER? UM, I CURRENTLY, THEY'RE SHOWN WITH ABOUT A TWO INCH, BUT THE STANDARD WOOD CONNECTOR PIECE, OH TYPICALLY AN OLD HOUSES AT LEAST A FOUR INCH.
AND, AND THE TRIM AROUND IT SHOULD ALSO BE FOUR INCH.
SO IT, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS CONTEMPORARY DESIGN FIT A LITTLE MORE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEY, WHEN YOU HAVE TWO OR THREE WINDOWS TOGETHER, THEY'RE GANGED AND THEY HAVE A ONE BY, IT'S USUALLY ONE BY FOUR THAT WOULD MAKE IT FIT A LOT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND ALSO THE DOOR HAS ONE SIDE LIGHT, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
COULD YOU DO TWO? WELL, I MEAN WE CAN, I MEAN, THE IDEA HERE THOUGH AGAIN, WAS THAT WE WERE KEEPING THE, THE SIX OR SEVEN OPENINGS THERE ON THE FRONT SIDE THE SAME WAY.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S JUST A SIMPLE VISUAL RHYTHM THAT WOULD RATHER NOT BREAK BY DOING A BIGGER WIDER, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS LOOK LIKE IT BELONGS IN THE STATE THOMAS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND WE KNOW IT'S CONTEMPORARY, WE KNOW IT'S DIFFERENT, BUT THERE'S NO PRECEDENT.
EITHER YOU DO ONE BIG DOOR OR A DOOR WITH TWO SIDE LIGHTS, BUT ONE DOOR WITH ONE SIDE LIGHT DOESN'T WORK.
THE PRECEDENT HOUSE THAT WE HAVE HAS THAT SAME DOOR, UH, IS A DOOR WITH ONE SIDE LIGHT.
YEAH, I'M SURE THEY HAD A FIVE FOOT DOOR AND THEY PUT IN A THREE FOOT WITH A SMALLER SIDE SIDE LIGHT, WHICH IS WHAT THIS CONDITION.
SO I'M ASKING OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT TYPICALLY HAVE ONE DOOR WITH ONE SIDE LIGHT, USUALLY ON A SMALLER HOUSE WHERE THEY COULDN'T FIT IN TO OR AN ASYMMETRICAL HOUSE.
YOU THINK IT WOULD BE SEEN MORE THAN IN THE CENTER OF A VERY SYMMETRICAL, I'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT OUR CHARGE IS TO TRY TO MAKE THIS VERY CONTEMPORARY BUILDING LOOK LIKE IT BELONGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT DRAW ATTENTION TO IT BECAUSE IT IS SO DIFFERENT.
YOU COULD JUST DO A DOOR WITH NO SIDE LIGHT.
YOU TRYING TO MAKE IT AS IS ALSO A DOOR.
SO THEY COULD STILL BE, YOU CAN MAKE THE DOOR NARROWER OR MAKE IT WIDER WITH ANOTHER SIDE LIGHT, BUT A DOOR WITH ONE SIDE LIGHT IS NOT TYPICAL.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UM, STAFF OR THE APPLICANT THE STANDING SEAM ROOF.
IS THAT COMMON IN THE DISTRICT OR ADDRESSED IN THE ORDINANCE? IT IS ADDRESSED.
IT'S
I DON'T RECALL IT BEING ADDRESSED, BUT I'LL OBVIOUSLY FURTHER TO MARK.
BUT I BELIEVE IT IS ADDRESSED AS SOMETHING THAT IS ALLOWED.
WELL, AS IT'S SEEN ON OTHER THINGS THERE, IT'S DEFINITELY ON A PORCH HERE, THERE, I, I DON'T KNOW.
IT NOT A NOT ATYPICAL ON THE OLDER, MORE, UH, LAKE VICTORIAN RIGHT NOW.
WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO PUT A CONTEMPORARY HOUSE OR A BUILDING IN HISTORIC DISTRICT IS VERY OLD? UM, THIS IS WHAT THE OWNER ASKED FOR.
UM, UM, I THINK THIS IS A, UH, AT LEAST IN OTHER PLACES THAT I'VE VISITED AND WORKED IN, THIS IS A, A, A NORMAL APPROACH FOR BUILDING WITHIN HISTORIC CONTEXT TO BUILD A NEUTRAL VOLUME WITH PRESENT DAY DETAILING THAT REFLECTS THE SCALE AND KIND OF THE CHARACTER, BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY VIEW REPEATING DETAILS OF THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES AS MAKING IT FIT BETTER TO US.
THAT ACTUALLY CONFUSES LIKE WHAT'S NEW AND WHAT'S OLD.
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UH, THERE, THERE ARE TWO SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT FOR ADDING TO A HISTORIC THAT DIFFERENTIATE MORE OR TRY TO MAKE IT FIT IN.WE DO TEND TO LIKE TO SEE THE DETAILS REPEATED THOUGH CLEARLY OVERALL THIS HOUSE IS GOING TO READ AS A MORE CONTEMPORARY SPACE.
SO YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY IT JUST, OF COURSE THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THAT JUST SAYS ROOF MATERIALS AND COLORS MUST COMPLIMENT THE STYLE AND OVERALL COLOR SCHEME OF THE BUILDING OR STRUCTURE.
SO, UM, SO YEAH, IT SHOULD JUST, IT SHOULD JUST BE COMPATIBLE.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE STANDING SEAM OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE DO NOT NEED TO WORRY ABOUT? JUST TO POINT OUT, MARCUS, YOU READ THE END OF THAT SENTENCE.
IT SAYS METALS ABOVE INTO THAT PARAGRAPH.
COMPOSITION SHINGLES, CEDAR SHINGLE AND METAL ROOFING MATERIAL MADE PERMIT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS NOT AN INTRUSION.
I THINK WHAT HAPPENED IS THERE, HISTORICALLY THERE ARE NO STANDING SEAM METAL ROOFS IN STATE THOMAS, BUT SOMEBODY WAS THINKING THAT THERE'S THESE HOUSES IN THE HILL COUNTRY THAT ARE VICTORIAN THAT HAVE THE STANDING SEAMS. SO IT KIND OF MORPHED INTO THAT.
BUT ACTUALLY THE STANDING SEAM IS NOT FOUND IN STATE THOMAS IN THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, BUT WE KIND OF GAVE IT A LITTLE LITTLE GRACE ON THAT ONE, BUT OKAY.
IT GOES WITH THIS DESIGN THOUGH, ON CARRIES THROUGH, THEN IT GOES WITH THAT.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE, COMMISSIONER? NEVER KNOW.
ONE LAST COMMENT ON THE, I I KNOW YOU MENTIONED YOU WERE TALKING MORE ABOUT MASSING AND SOME OF THE DETAILS, BUT I WAS WONDERING ON THE, THE COLORS, UM, YOU'RE SHOWING TWO DIFFERENT DOOR COLORS FROM THE TOP FLOOR TO THE GROUND FLOOR.
UM, TOP FLOOR IS LIKE A DARK GRAY AND THE GROUND FLOOR IS MORE OF AN ORANGE OR OAKER.
WAS THAT INTENTIONAL OR WAS THAT YEAH, I THINK IT WAS JUST, WE LOOKED AT IT BOTH WAYS.
AND WHEN WE HAD A WOOD DOOR ON THE, THE SECOND FLOOR, IT WAS MORE DISTRACTING.
I MEAN IT, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO BLEND MORE WITH THE WINDOWS FRAMES AND THE RHYTHMS. IT JUST DRAW ATTENTION TO THE FRONT DOOR AS THE ENTRY.
OBVIOUSLY NO ONE THINKS THAT THE SECOND FLOOR IS THE ENTRY THERE, BUT UH, JUST VISUALLY DISTRACTING.
BUT, SO IT IS INTENTIONAL TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT COLORS.
IT SEEMS ODD TO, IT IS UNUSUAL AND FOR SAFETY'S SAKE, YOUR SAFETY, SAFETY, WHEN YOU COME BACK ASKING FOR YOUR FINAL CA YOU MIGHT INCLUDE OPTION NUMBER TWO IN CASE THAT WE DON'T WANNA REALLY APPROVE IT WITH THE TWO DIFFERENT DOORS.
OPTION NUMBER TWO IS MAY ALL DOORS THE SAME
PEOPLE DO THAT AND THEY PUT THEIR PREFERRED SITUATION FIRST, BUT IF THAT ONE WON'T GO, THEN, THEN YOU GIVE US A SECOND ONE TO WILL APPROVE.
ANYTHING ELSE? I ASSUME THE NEXT TIME WE SEE THIS PROJECT WE WILL BE DECIDING UPON IT.
COURTESY REVIEW THREE ON, LET ME HAVE A MOVE.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 3 0 4 SOUTH FLEMING AVENUE IN THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 DASH THREE 15.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT, A DUPLEX AND TASK FORCE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS, CONSTRUCT A TRUE SHOTGUN STYLE DUPLEX HOUSE WITH CAMELBACK.
AND WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER ON THIS AND THAT SPEAKER FOR THIS ONE IS BRAD GOUSS.
I'M JUST, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO SEE YOU ON CAMERA, SIR.
IT'S A STATE LAW TO MAKE SURE IT'S REALLY YOU.
SO, UM, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? UM, I'M JUST THE INVESTOR ON THIS, THE, UH, DRAFTSMAN THAT I'VE HIRED.
GEORGE SOSA'S ALSO ON THIS CALL, UH, HE MAY BE BETTER TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
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MR. SOSA, ARE YOU THERE SOMEWHERE? I CAN SEE HIM ON THE LIST, BUT IT'S SAYING UNVERIFIED, WE'RE WORKING ON OUR TECHNICAL ISSUES CONSTANTLY.UM, IS, IS HE HERE AS A PARTICIPANT AS TO WHERE HE CAN TALK? HE'S ON THE CALL.
MR. SOSA, ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR US, MR. SOSA? ARE WE MUTING HIM OR SOMETHING? THAT WOULD BE AWKWARD SINCE HE'S THE ONE WHO APPARENTLY
WELL, LET ME, UM, BRAD, PERHAPS YOU COULD TEXT HIM OR SOMETHING.
TELL HIM WE'RE NOT HEARING FROM HIM AND OKAY.
HE'S WAVING SO I THINK, I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE HIM MUTED.
MR. SOSA, CAN YOU TURN YOUR MIC UP SO FAR WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO HEAR YOU.
IT MAY BE YOUR INPUT LEVEL UNDER AUDIO SETTINGS.
PERHAPS, UH, THE OTHER THINGS WE'VE TRIED IN THE PAST IS SWITCHING TO HIS PHONE TO SEE IF THAT WORKS BETTER.
AND WHAT WE COULD DO IS GO AND TAKE THE NEXT ONE NOW WHILE THEY WORK ON THIS ISSUE AND THEN COME BACK TO, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR STEP, IS THERE A NEW DESIGN SUBMITTED TODAY? UH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SHOWING ON THE SCREEN.
THERE'S SOME, THE, THE REAR POPUP HAS BEEN TURNED SIDEWAYS, I WOULD SAY.
SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT APPLICANT IS SUBMITTING AT THIS TIME? WELL THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW, RIGHT? YES.
BUT IS THERE A NEW DESIGN THAT THEY'RE SUBMITTING TODAY? YES.
THE ONE YOU SHOW ONE, WHAT I SEE ON THE SCREEN IS NOT WHAT I SEE IN MY DOCKET.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE OR IS IT JUST BEEN SUBMITTED TODAY? NO, NO, THEY JUST SUBMITTED THAT THIS MONTH.
HAS, UH, HAVE WE MADE ANY PROGRESS WITH MR. SOSA'S SOUND? OKAY, IN THE SPIRIT OF TIME? I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE D 11, WHICH IS AN INITIATION NEXT, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU, BRAD.
AND, AND MR. SOSA, I'M USING YOUR FIRST NAME BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA MISPRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAMES
SO Y'ALL JUST HANG ON AND SEE IF YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON OR IF YOU CAN, IF HE CAN TRY A DIFFERENT COMPUTER OR HIS PHONE.
WHAT'D YOU SAY? HELLO? AND TRY LOGGING OFF AND LOGGING BACK ON.
JUST GIVE IT A COUPLE TRIES WHILE WE DO OUR, OUR OUR NEXT THING.
ALRIGHT, SO LET'S DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR OUR EXCITING NEW INITIATION.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.
THIS IS RAY ADE, UM, PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM D 11 CITED AT 6 3 1 7 WEST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A LANDMARK COMMISSION AUTHORIZED HEARING TO CONSIDER INITIATING THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCEDURE TO ESTABLISH A HISTORIC OVERLY
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DISTRICT FOR A STRUCTURE KNOWN AS THE PINK HALL CITED AT 6 3 1 7 WEST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 15 ON PROPERTY EXTENDING FROM THE WEST OF BALTIMORE DRIVE TO THE EAST OF TON ROAD, ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF WEST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.I'M ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE PRESTON HOLLOW SOUTH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND I LIVE BEHIND THE PINK WALL.
IN THE 1950S, DEVELOPER HAL ANDERSON RECOGNIZED THAT THE NEW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OF PRESTON CENTER AND NORTH PARK MALL CALLED FOR A DIFFERENT KIND OF LIVING.
HE BECAME A CRUSADER OF THE LARD, HAIR FREE LUXURY APARTMENTS THAT WOULD FEEL LIKE HOME, BUT WITHOUT THE MAINTENANCE.
AT THE CORNER OF NORTHWEST HIGHWAY IN PESTON WAS HIS FIRST APARTMENT PROJECT, WHICH IS STILL STANDING TODAY.
BY 1962, THERE WERE NEARLY 400 LAVISH APARTMENTS, AND BY 1964 THERE WERE TWO LUXURY HIGH RISES.
THIS WAS HELD AS A PROTOTYPE CATERING THROUGH THE APARTMENT CARRIAGE NEEDS AND STUDIED BY INVESTORS AROUND THE COUNTRY, ALONG WITH THE FIRST APARTMENT BECAME A VISION FOR A WALL.
IN 1954, ANDERSON BUILT THE FIRST SECTION OF A CURVY PINK WALL.
THIS TYPE OF CURVY WALL CONSTRUCTION WAS USED BY THE EGYPTIAN AND LATER THE FARMERS IN ENGLAND AND SCOTLAND USED IT EXTENSIVELY AND REFERRED TO IT AS A CRINKLE FRANKLE WALL.
THESE TYPES OF WALLS PROVIDED STRUCTURAL STABILITY AND ARE MADE SOLELY A BRICK OR ROTH ON A FOUNDATION.
WE CAN ONLY ASSUME THE LOCALLY SOURCED PINK CONCRETE BRICK IS A NOD TO THE POPULAR MIDCENTURY ARCHITECTURE STYLE.
ANDERSON UTILIZED MULTIPLE SHADES OF PINK BRICK THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS HE CONTINUED TO BUILD LUXURY APARTMENTS AS WELL AS EXPANDING THE WALL.
THE WALL RAN IN ITS ENTIRETY FROM ALONG NORTHWEST HIGHWAY FROM BALTIMORE TO PRESTON, AND THEN IT TURNED NORTH TO DEL NORTE BY THE 1960S.
WE NOW HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD FONDLY KNOWN AS BEHIND THE PINK WALL, DUE IN PART TO REALTORS AND RELEVANT AS SUCH AS EV HOLIDAY WHO MARKETED THE LUXURY APARTMENT AS GLAMOROUS, LIVING BEHIND THE DEEP WALL.
YOU WILL STILL FIND LISTINGS TODAY BY CURRENT REALTORS USING THAT SAME MARKETING TOOL.
SADLY, NEW DEVELOPMENT HAS REPLACED SOME OF THE BUILDING AND REMOVED PORTIONS OF THE WALL.
THE ENTIRE SECTION ALONG PRESTON ROAD HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED.
THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTIES WITH THE PINK WALL ALONG NORTHWEST HIGHWAY AND THE PRESTON HOLLOW SOUTH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WOULD LIKE IT TO SEE IT PRESERVE AS A LANDMARK, ONE FOR THE UNIQUE ARCHITECTURE STYLE STEEPED IN HISTORY, AND PART OF THE HISTORY OF CRESTA HOLLOW TWO FOR ITS PLACE IN DEFINING A GATEWAY TO A MID-CENTURY MODERN NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS FIRST IN ITS KIND IN THE COUNTRY.
AND THIRDLY, FOR THE DRIVERS WHO DRIVE DOWN NORTHWEST HIGHWAY IN THE RIGHT HAND LANE, WHO HAVE THEIR WINDOWS DOWN, CAN HEAR THE UNIQUE VOICE OF A CURVY PINK WALL.
AND WE HAVE TWO OTHER SPEAKERS, BUT BEFORE THAT, I HAVE ONE THING.
NOW DAVID THOUGHT I BROUGHT A PIECE OF THE PINK WALL.
WE DO HAVE PIECES OF THE PINK WALL, BUT THEY'RE WAY TOO HEAVY.
BUT WE KNOW THAT MEETINGS LIKE THIS ARE TEDIOUS AND LONG AND SOMETIMES YOU NEED A TREAT.
SO WE'VE BROUGHT YOU PINK TREATS
AND THE NEXT SPEAKER IS SANNA WALTON.
HI, I AM ROSEANNE WALTON AND I LIVE IN THE ATHENA WHERE THE PINK WALL RUNS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF OUR BUILDING.
I GREW UP IN DALLAS AND AS A YOUNG CHILD, I CAN REMEMBER THE EXCITING AND EVEN SLIGHTLY MYSTERIOUS NEIGHBORHOOD BEING BUILT BEHIND THE PAINT WALL.
WE DROVE BY SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK AND THERE WAS JUST A FEELING THAT YOU GOT DRIVING
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BY THAT SOMETHING SPECIAL AND ALMOST MAGICAL WAS GOING ON BECAUSE THERE WAS THIS BEAUTIFUL WALL DRAWING YOU IN AND THE GENTLE WAY THAT WAS WHERE YOU DROVE BY.THAT WAS NOT LIKE ANYTHING ELSE IN DOUBT.
IT CREATED A DESIRE TO BE A PART OF THIS SPECIAL PLAY.
AS A COLLEGE STUDENT, I WAS MESMERIZED BY THE YOUNGER WOMEN WHO LIVED BEHIND THE PINK WALL BECAUSE THEY SEEMED TO HAVE FOUND THE SECRET OF BEING SMART.
BEAUTIFUL, SO GROWN UP IN A CONFLICT.
A FRIEND OF MINE'S MOM MANAGED ONE OF THE CHARMING COMPLEXES ON BANDERA.
SO WHEN WE WENT TO VISIT, WE WOULD DRESS UP A LITTLE ACT LIKE WE WERE ALSO SO GROWN UP BECAUSE WE FELT LIKE WE WERE IN A VERY SPECIAL PLACE,
SO WHAT A WONDERFUL HAPPENSTANCE THAT I GET TO LIVE THERE.
ALTHOUGH I'VE NOT ACCOMPLISHED THE OTHER, THE PINK WALL REPRESENTS AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF VALVES, THE MID-CENTURY ARCHITECTURAL AND CULTURAL HISTORY, BUT IT'S MORE THAN JUST A WALL.
IT SYMBOLIZES THE ELEGANCE AND CHARM OF A BYGONE ERA AND THE COMMUNITY SPIRIT THAT DEVELOPED AROUND IT.
PROTECTING THE WALL HONORS NOT ONLY THE ARCHITECTURAL VISION OF THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES, BUT ALSO THE MANY DALLAS RESIDENTS WHO BUILT THEIR LIVES AND MEMORIES AROUND THIS NEIGHBOR.
PRESERVING THE PINK WALL STILL ISN'T JUST THE WALL ITSELF.
IT'S ABOUT PRESERVING THE CHARACTER OF A PLACE THAT STILL REMAINS UNIQUE.
IT'S ABOUT PRESERVING A MEMORABLE DALLAS STORY, ONE THAT BLENDS ARCHITECTURE, COMMUNITY, AND CARE.
IT ALSO MAKES SURE THAT FUTURE GENERATIONS CAN APPRECIATE THE BEAUTY AND DESIGN LEGACY THAT HELPS SHAPE OUR CITY'S IDENTITY.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, INITIATING HISTORIC DESIGNATION FOR THE PINK WALL.
I AM KATHY BRAT AND I ALSO LIVE BEHIND THE PINK WALL.
AND I'M AN OWNER OF THE PINK WALL BY VIRTUE OF MY, UM, OWNERSHIP AT 60 40 PLACE.
SO, UM, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE PINK WALL OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION.
UM, I FEEL LIKE I, I AM NOT A NATIVE DALLAS SITE.
I MOVED HERE IN 1986 AND ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I'VE HEARD WHEN I MOVED HERE WAS BEHIND THE PINK WALL.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT AT THE TIME.
AND NOW THAT I'VE LIVED THERE AND I'VE DONE ALL THIS RESEARCH FOR THIS, UM, I I IT IT'S, IT'S A VERY UNIQUE HISTORY AND, UM, I FEEL LIKE EVERYONE IN DALLAS WANTS EVERYTHING SHINY AND NEW.
AND, UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS TO, UM, RECOGNIZE AND PRESERVE THE HISTORY OF DALLAS.
AND I REALLY FEEL LIKE THE PINK WALL IS CERTAINLY A VERY UNIQUE PART OF THAT HISTORY THAT NEEDS TO BE RECOGNIZED AND PRESERVED.
UM, AS CARLA AND ROSEANNE BOTH ALLUDED TO THE, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND THE PINK WALL WAS HAL ANDERSON'S VISION OF A VERY, VERY DIFFERENT KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE FIRST TYPE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THAT IN THE, IN THE, UH, IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.
STUDENTS WHO WERE ARCHITECTURE DO STUDYING, ARCHITECTURE PLANNING, OTHER CITIES CAME TO STUDY IT BECAUSE IT WAS SO UNIQUE.
IT WAS CAL'S VISION THAT THE, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS FOR PEOPLE, NOT YOUNG PEOPLE LIVING IN TINY LITTLE APARTMENTS AND BEING LOUD, BUT IT WAS FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE EMPTY NESTERS OR WHO COULD NO LONGER, UM, MAINTAIN A HOME.
BUT, BUT THEY WANTED TO NOT LIVE SOMEWHERE THAT FELT LIKE A TINY LITTLE APARTMENT.
IT FEELS MORE LIKE A HOME, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE, THEY'RE SMALLER, BUT THERE'S GREEN SPACES.
THE, THE APARTMENTS ARE BIGGER.
AND FOR ME, HOUSE VISION, I, I'M A, I'M A EVEN 75 YEARS LATER, I'M AN EXAMPLE OF SOMEBODY WHO FITS RIGHT IN THAT I HAD A HOUSE, MY HUSBAND DIED.
I COULDN'T MAINTAIN THE, THE, THE HOUSE ANYMORE, BUT I HAD A CHILD WHO I WANTED TO KEEP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO SHE WOULDN'T HAVE TO MOVE SCHOOLS.
AND I WANTED HER TO FEEL LIKE SHE STILL LIVED IN A HOME, NOT IN A TINY LITTLE APARTMENT.
AND SO WE BOUGHT BEHIND A PINK WALL AND I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 11 YEARS NOW.
UM, IT JUST, IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT'S A VERY UNIQUE PLACE AND A WALL IS CERTAINLY REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT, OF THAT COMMUNITY IN THAT UNIQUE PLACE.
UM, AND I, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION OF MAKING IT A, A HISTORIC DEFINITION.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.
COMMISSIONER PRESI, UH, I SERVE AS THE, UH, COMMISSIONER FOR THIS DISTRICT AND I WANT TO THANK I, I CALL 'EM THE PINK WALL.
LADIES BACK THERE,
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THIS WALL.UM, WHEN THEY FIRST CAME TO ME TO DISCUSS THE, THE WALL DESIGNATING THE WALL, IT WAS VERY UNUSUAL 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY WALLS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED AS LANDMARKS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO THIS WAS A VERY UNIQUE, UH, PROJECT.
IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR IN THE MAKING TO GET WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND, UH, UH, UM, CROSSING ALL THOSE HURDLES WITH THE CITY AND HOW TO, HOW TO, UM, HOW TO ADDRESS THIS AS FAR AS THE DIFFERENT, THE WELLBEING ON DIFFERENT PROPERTIES, HOW TO PROPERLY NOTIFY AND DO ALL THAT.
DUNNS PERSISTENCE, WE WERE ABLE TO FIGURE ALL OF THAT OUT.
AND I'M SO HAPPY THAT WE'RE HERE TODAY.
UM, THEY'VE ALREADY DONE A TON OF RESEARCH ON THE WALL, SO WE'RE ALREADY WELL AHEAD, UH, ONCE WE GET THIS MOVING, UM, FORWARD.
AND I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMENTS.
I SET A QUICK QUESTION OF THE SECTION OF THE WALL THAT IS EXISTING.
HOW MANY OF THE ORIGINAL 1950S MID-CENTURY MODERN BUILDINGS ARE STILL THERE? RIGHT? MOST OF THEM STILL THERE OR, YEAH, THERE'S SIX PROPERTIES THAT OWN THE WALL.
UH, THE, THE WALL THAT IS STANDING AND FOUR OF THE SIX ARE STILL THE HIN OR SOME PROJECTS OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDINGS.
AND THE OTHER TWO ARE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UH, ONE OF THEM IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UM, THE OTHER ONE, WELL I TAKE THAT BACK, THE FIFTH ONE, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S A HAL ANDERSON PROJECT, BUT IT'S AN ORIGINAL BUILDING, BUT IT IS SLATED FOR, UH, REPLACEMENT DOWN THE ROAD.
SO FIVE OF THE PROPERTIES STILL HAVE THE ORIGINAL BUILDINGS AND ONE IS A, A NEW TOWER.
UM, AND, BUT THEY'VE AGREED WITH THIS, THEY ACTUALLY TOOK THEIR PINK WALL DOWN, CLEANED IT, AND PUT IT BACK UP AND IT LOOKS FABULOUS.
ALRIGHT, WELL, AND I'M GOING TO MOTION FOR 63 1 7 WEST NORTH HIGHWAY TO INITIATE THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR WHAT IS COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE PINK WALL.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER FOR YOUR SECOND.
THE ROTHENBERGER GOT THERE FIRST.
UH, SO ANY FURTHER COMMENT? I'M SURE WE'RE ALL VERY PLEASED TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING AND TO SEE THIS BE CONDUCTED.
ALL, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? WHO WOULD DO? ALRIGHT LADIES,
SO YOU'RE NOT DONE WORKING YET.
SO
NOW LET'S SEE IF OUR COURTESY REVIEW APPLICANTS HAVE WORKED OUT THE COMMUNICATION ISSUES, HOW IS THAT GOING? IT'S NOT A VERY POSITIVE ANSWER.
GEORGIE, YOU THERE? I AM HERE.
ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE HIM? ADRIAN? OKAY, SO WELCOME.
UM, SO NOW THAT WE HAVE YOU, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND TELL US ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ABOUT THIS, THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT, AND THEN THE COMMISSIONERS WILL WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS AND DISCUSS WITH YOU.
UM, THOSE BUTTONS YOU SEE ARE NOT ON THE SCREEN.
CAN WE ALL FIGURE IT OUT? WHY DID ANYBODY START EVERYTHING TODAY ON? ALL RIGHT.
SO MR. SOA, ANYTHING TO TELL US ABOUT THIS DESIGN? WE CAN'T HEAR YOU IF YOU'RE TALKING AND I ASSUME YOU ARE 'CAUSE OF MY HANDS.
WE HEARD HIM JUST A MINUTE AGO.
WHAT CHANGED? HELLO? OKAY, GEORGE.
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HAVE YOU TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT,THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING TO YOUR PHONE.
UH, WE HAVE A PLAN, UH, MEETING ABOUT PROBABLY THREE, FOUR WEEKS AGO ABOUT THIS BUILDING.
AND, UH, WE PRESENT A FORMER IDEA WHERE WE HAVE A DOUBLE SHOTGUN WITH A CARAMEL SHOT ON THE BACK, CANDLE BACK, SORRY.
AND WHAT WE SHOW IS CAME BACK PAST THE CAME BAG.
THERE WAS A TWO, TWO STORY FOR, UH, TWO BEDROOMS AND A BATHROOM.
AND WELL, WE RECEIVED THE COMMENT THAT THERE WASN'T A TRUE CAMEL BACK BECAUSE THE TRUE CAME BACK ENDED WHERE WE HAVE THE MAIN GABLE.
IF YOU GUYS CAN SEE THE, THE LAST QUESTION I SENT.
NOW YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE WHOLE, UH, RESIDENCE IS THE ONE SINGLE ROOF INSTEAD OF HAVING TWO DIFFERENT ROOFS.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, UH, ANYBODY CAN SEE? HOLD ON.
WE'RE WORKING ON THE COMPUTERS.
THAT'S WHAT HE'S REFERRING TO.
CAN YOU PUT THE FIRST PAGE? UM, THIS ONE? YES.
THE, THE NEW DESIGN, WHICH
SO THAT MAKES THE BUILDING TALLER.
SO WE ELIMINATE THE MASSIVE, AND NOW EVERYTHING IS UNDER THE MAIN ROOF ON THE GABLE, THE ONE WITH THE TWO WINDOWS.
NOW, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS A DUPLEX AND THIS SPACE IS ONLY 14 FEET WIDE, ONCE YOU GO TO THE SECOND FLOOR, WE HAVE A CHALLENGE BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE PROBABLY EIGHT FOOT LEFT THE SPACE BECAUSE ON ONE SIDE WE HAVE THE ROOF GOING UP TOWARDS THE MAIN GABLE, AND THE OTHER SIDE IS THE SHARING WALL BETWEEN THE TWO DUPLEXES.
SO WHAT WE DID IS, UH, WE HAVE DORMERS TO INCREASE THE SPACE ON THE HEIGHT JUST TO, UH, BE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH CODE ON THE SIZE ON THE SIDE OF A ROOM.
UH, OKAY, SIR, WE ARE, ARE HAVING TROUBLE WITH OUR AUDIO ARRANGEMENT HEARING EVERYTHING, BUT I KNOW YOU WERE DISCUSSING MASSING.
THE FIRST COMMENT THAT COMES TO MIND IS THAT THE COMPLEX MASSING AND MULTIPLE ROOF LINES ARE TOO COMPLEX FOR A SHOTGUN HOUSE.
SHOTGUN HOUSES TENDED TO BE SIMPLE.
THEY, THEY WERE DESIGNED TO BE EASY TO BUILD AND EASY TO MAINTAIN AS, UM, AS REALLY ACCESSIBLE HOUSES.
SO YOU'RE, YOU GOT YOUR TWO SHOTGUN FRONTS AND THEN IT CHANGES TO THAT KIND OF CLIP ROOF, AND THEN THE CAMEL BACK PART IN THE BACK, IT, IT'S GETTING KIND OF, UM, IT'S JUST TOO COMPLICATED.
DOES THE STAFF HAVE AN, AN IMAGE OF THE CAMEL BACK? THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S IN 10TH STREET.
UH, EITHER FROM THE BOOK OR FROM REAL? IT'S, THIS IS THE ONE SHOWN ON GOOGLE MAPS, WHICH WE HAD GONE THROUGH IN TASK FORCE, UH, SHOWN IN TASK FORCE.
SO IT HAS TWO PROJECTING PORCHES, IF YOU WILL.
IS IT ACTUALLY A PORCH THAT ACTUALLY LIVING SPACE UNDER THAT? ALSO THE PROJECTION, UH, THERE'S SOME LIVING SPACE DEFINITELY UNDER THE RIGHT SIDE, BUT THERE'S SOME LIVING SPACE UNDER THERE AS WELL.
'CAUSE THE TWO FORTRESS AREN'T EXACTLY THE SAME.
THERE'S DIFFERENCES AND THEN THERE'S THE CENTRAL GABLE RIGHT IN THE BACK.
AND THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE REVISED DRAWING HAS BEEN TAKEN FROM A TWO STORY TO A STORY AND A HALF WITH DORMERS.
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THERE ARE TWO DORMERS ON EACH SIDE OF, UH, GABLE.IS THAT CORRECT ON HIS DESIGN? UH, YES.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS THIS CAMEL BACK ENOUGH TO BE NEW CONSTRUCTION IN 10TH STREET? TO ME IT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR AND I'M THAT THERE ARE TWO GABLES INSTEAD OF ONE MASSIVE HIP.
SO IT DOES APPEAR TO BE TWO GABLES IN A ROOF AS OPPOSED TO A, A POPPED UP.
AND I DO LIKE THE UNIQUE QUALITY THAT IT IS A CAMELBACK LIKE, AS OPPOSED TO OTHER THINGS WE SEE.
THEY WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF GETTING THE SAME NEW CONSTRUCTIONS IN 10TH STREET, WHICH ARE FINE.
BUT THIS IS UNIQUE AND I THINK HARKENS TO, TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND, UH, THE, THE STYLES IN 10TH STREET COME FROM LOUISIANA AND UH, THOSE COME FROM THE AFRICAN AMERICAN FOLKS THAT CAME HERE AND BROUGHT THEIR STYLES WITH THEM FROM THE ISLANDS IN JAMAICA AND PLACES LIKE THAT.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TRY TO HONOR AND CELEBRATE THESE CAMEL BOT BACKS AND DIFFERENT STYLES.
SO I, I REALLY DO LIKE THE CREATIVE, UH, ON THIS.
WHAT DOES ANYBODY ELSE THINK ABOUT THIS? IS IT CAMELBACK ENOUGH? I THINK IT'S MUCH BETTER THAN IT WAS WITH THE, WITH THE LARGE HIP POPUP.
IT WAS REALLY A TWO STORY WITH A LITTLE THING STUCK ON THE FRONT.
AND I THINK THIS IS KEEPING IT MORE IN SCALE.
'CAUSE 10TH STREET IS REALLY A VERNACULAR NEIGHBORHOOD AND I THINK THIS BUILDING IS MORE IN THAT VERNACULAR STYLE THAN THE OTHER ONE.
WOULD A REGULAR GABLE BE BETTER THAN THE CLIPPED GABLE? NOT NECESSARILY.
I LIKE THE CLIPPED GABLE MYSELF TOO.
IT'S PRETTY, IT'S JUST, IT SEEMS TO FANCY IT UP A TAD BIT.
LEMME LOOK AND SEE ON THE, THERE, THERE ARE DEFINITELY EXAMPLES, UM, WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
IT, IT'S, UH, UNFORTUNATELY I, I RELY ON SEEING THE THINGS ON MY SCREEN RATHER THAN THE, THE STRETCHED ONE VERSIONS THAT WE'RE SEEING ALTOGETHER.
MM-HMM
UM, GENERALLY ON GABLES, THE WINDOWS TEND TO FILL THE, THE, SORRY I SAID THAT WRONG.
GENERALLY THE WINDOWS ON A, UM, ON A DORMER TEND TO FILL THE DORMER RATHER THAN, UH, BE MORE OF A DOGHOUSE KIND OF A, UH, OF AN APPEARANCE LIKE THIS ONE.
UM, SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IS IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO INCREASE THE, THE QUANTITY OF WINDOWS IN THE DORMERS.
UM, SECOND, I CAN'T QUITE SEE THE PROPORTION OF THE WINDOWS.
THE ONES IN THE FIRST SUBMISSION SEEM PRETTY TALL.
THEY WERE SIX FEET AND I BELIEVE THE HEAD HEIGHT WAS AT SEVEN FEET.
SO THAT LEAVES A A, A SILL OF ONE FOOT OFF OF THE FLOOR.
THEY SEEM SLIGHTLY OUTTA SCALE, LIKE THEY'RE TOO LARGE.
SO, UH, PROBABLY A 3.0 BY A FIVE OH WOULD BE A BETTER PROPORTION.
IS THAT, IN FACT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN READ THOSE, DR. DUNN, TO US, THE, THE DIMENSIONS ON THOSE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT ROOMS. OH, LET'S SEE.
THEY WOULD'VE BEEN ON THE ELEVATIONS.
I THINK THEY'RE, UH, YEAH, IT'S JUST THE RIGHT IS A LITTLE TOO SMALL.
BUT, SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD SUGGEST.
THE OTHER THING TOO IS IT LOOKS LIKE THE TRIM IS DIFFERENT ON THE DOORS THAN THEY ARE ON THE WINDOWS.
I WOULD SUGGEST HAVING THE SAME TRIM SURROUND, UM, WITH THE HEADER THAT'S A LITTLE WIDER THAN THE JAMS, THE, THE VERTICALS.
UM, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY NICE DETAIL TO HAVE, HAVE WHAT HE'S PROPOSING ON THE WINDOWS ON THE DOORS AS WELL.
UM, I THINK THE WINDOWS OF 36 FEET.
YEAH, 3 0 6 0 3 FEET WIDE BY SIX FEET TALL.
SO AGAIN, MY COMMENT BEFORE, I THINK THEY'RE A LITTLE TOO TALL 'CAUSE THEY'RE ONLY SET A FOOT OFF OF THE FLOOR, MAYBE 18 INCHES OR OR TWO FEET WOULD BE A BETTER PROPORTION.
UM, AND THEN ON THE DOORS THEMSELVES, I GUESS THIS
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ISN'T A CRAFTSMAN STYLE, BUT IT IS A, A FAIRLY LARGE LIGHT IN THE WINDOW.I MEAN IN THE DOOR, UH, WHERE IT'S ABOUT HALF THE PROPORTION OF THE DOOR.
UH, MAYBE IT WOULD BE BETTER IF IT WAS ONE THIRD INSTEAD OF ONE HALF THE GLAZING THAT'S INSIDE THE, THE DOOR ITSELF.
BUT OTHERWISE I THINK IT'S A VERY APPEALING, UH, DESIGN.
ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, WELL IF THERE'S THAT, WE HAVE, UH, EXHAUSTED OUR LIST OF COMMENTS TO
UM, SO I ASSUME THAT THE NEXT TIME WE WILL SEE Y'ALL BACK HERE, WE WILL BE TO UH, ACTUALLY SEEKING YOUR, YOUR CA INSTRUCTION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP.
OKAY, NOW WE CAN MOVE ON TO D ONE ELM STREET.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 33 0 9 ELM STREET.
IT'S IN THE DOWNTOWN CBD INDIVIDUAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
NO, THIS IS ACTUALLY A CONTINENTAL GEN COMPLEX IS WHERE THIS IS.
SO IT'S THE CONTINENTAL GEN COMPLEX HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 DASH 4 0 2.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING DOUBLE GLASS DOORS.
ONE PAIR ON NORTH ELEVATION OF MAIN BUILDING WITH A NEW WINDOW TO MATCH EXISTING IN MATERIAL ALTERING OPACITY FROM TRANSPARENT TO OPAQUE.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST TO REPLACE EXISTING DOUBLE GLASS DOORS ONE PAIR ON NORTH ELEVATION OF MAIN BUILDING WITH A NEW WINDOW TO MATCH EXISTING AND MATERIAL ALTERING OPACITY FROM TRANSPARENT TO OPAQUE, BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 10 15 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT REPLA THAT REPLACEMENT GLASS NOT BE REFLECTIVE OR TINTED AND THAT ANY TIES TO MASONRY BE EMBEDDED WITHIN THE MORTAR JOINTS AND NOT DIRECTLY INTO THE BRICKS.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA IN THE SECTION TITLE FENESTRATION AND OPENINGS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO REPLACE EXISTING DOUBLE GLASS DOORS ONE PAIR ON NORTH ELEVATION OF MAIN BUILDING WITH A NEW WINDOW TO MATCH EXISTING IMMATERIAL ALTERING OPACITY FROM TRANSPARENT TO OPAQUE, BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE DUE TO A LACK OF INFORMATION APPLICANT TO FURNISH SITE PLAN AND BUILDING ELEVATION SHOWING WHICH EXISTING DOORS ARE PROPOSED TO BE MODIFIED.
ALSO INDICATE HOW EXISTING BUILDING FABRIC WILL BE AFFECTED.
NOTE THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED REVISED PLANS DRAWINGS IN RESPONSE TO TASK FORCE FEEDBACK.
AND WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER FOR THIS ONE TODAY.
IS MR. BIGGS ONLINE? ADRIAN MR. BIGGS, ARE YOU THERE ONLINE? I AM SORRY.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? I CAN HEAR YOU.
UM, ARE YOU ALSO VISIBLE ON CAMERA? 'CAUSE IT'S A REQUIREMENT BY THE STATE.
DO YOU SEE ME? I CAN SEE MYSELF.
WELL, THEY'VE GOT, THEY'VE GOT MOST OF THE PEOPLE HIDDEN FROM ME.
UH, SO TO BEGIN I NEED YOU TO GIVE US YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOUR, YOUR PROMISE OR SWEAR SWEARING THAT YOU WILL TELL US THE TRUTH.
MY NAME COLIN BIGS, UM, WITH THE ID GROUP IN DALLAS.
UH, CURRENTLY I'M AT 3 8 1 4 OLA TRAIL.
UM, WHAT WAS THE LAST, UH, PROMISE? TELL US YOU'RE GONNA TELL THE TRUTH.
ALRIGHT, SO YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES NOW TO TELL US ANYTHING YOU THINK WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LISTENED TO THE, UM, BRIEFING THIS MORNING, BUT WE HAD CONCERNS, SO.
CAN I SHARE MY SCREEN OR ARE YOU PULLING UP THE LATEST DRAWING SET THAT WE UPLOADED
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I HAVE ARE THE, THE LATEST DRAWINGS, THE ONES THAT WE HAVE.RHONDA, I THOUGHT SO WITH THE ELEVATIONS THAT, UH, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DATED 10 21.
I THINK YOU ASKED FOR JUST SOME ADDITIONAL SPECS AND SOME CLARIFICATIONS.
CAN YOU GO TO THE FIRST PAGE OR THAT LOOKS LIKE NONE OF THE, IT LOOKS, YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE AN OLDER VERSION.
UH, WHERE IS THE SHARE SCREEN? TEXT AND IMAGES SHARE.
OKAY, AND THEN JUST STARTING OFF, UM, THIS IS WHAT WE JUST UPLOADED FOR.
I THINK THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS JUST TO CONFIRM STREET NAMES.
WE DID PUT A BUBBLE TO SHOW WHAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND HAVE THE NORTH, THE ARROW OVER HERE, UH, NORTH FACING SIDE IS THE ONE THAT'S BEING ALTERED.
AND I HAVE THE CALL OUT HERE FOR THE ENLARGED PLANS.
UM, SCOOTING OVER TO THE NEXT PAGE, SHOWING THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UM, SHOWING THE EXISTING CONDITION.
HERE ARE THE DOUBLE DOORS IN QUESTION.
UM, AND THEN AS I GO DOWN TO THE NEXT DETAIL, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE SHOWING THOSE NEW GLAZING THAT'S MATCHING THE EXISTING ADJACENT GLAZING.
AND FOR THE NEXT UPLOADED ONE, WE DID CLARIFY THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITION, THIS IS THE EXISTING GLAZING THAT WE WERE GOING TO MATCH.
UM, GOING OVER TO THE NEXT PAGE, OOPS, SORRY.
THAT IS THE EXISTING GLAZING GROWING TO MATCH AND THEN BUBBLED EXACTLY WHERE THAT NEW GLAZING THAT WE'RE SHOWING OVER HERE WITH OUR DETAILED CALLOUTS.
HERE'S OUR ENLARGED FLOOR PLAN JUST TO GIVE ANOTHER CLOSEUP VIEW OF THE ENLARGED EXISTING CONDITION.
AND HERE IS ANOTHER ONE, A PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN.
AGAIN, WE'RE SHOWING THAT IT IS GOING TO ALIGN WITH THAT EXTERIOR WALL INSTEAD OF BEING RECESSED LIKE THE EXISTING DOOR.
HERE ARE DETAILS SHOWING CONNECTION DETAILS, UH, PROPOSED, UH, SHOWING OUR ANCHORING AND HOW WE'RE GOING INTO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
UM, I DID INCLUDE, UH, JUST SOME VERBIAGE ON THE EXISTING MATERIALS.
UM, JUST A TYPICAL STOREFRONT GLAZING.
AND WE HAVE A FEW SPECS THAT WE BELIEVE IS WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS.
UM, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE CONFIRMED BY THE CONTRACTOR PRIOR TO INSTALLING.
AGAIN, THE OVERALL, UM, ADJACENT SCOPE IS TO MATCH THIS WINDOW.
UM, AND THE LAST TWO PAGES ARE JUST SHOWING EXISTING CONDITIONS AND WHAT WE ARE GOING TO MATCH, WHICH IS THIS ONE.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S THE OVERALL SCOPE.
AGAIN, WE'RE JUST REMOVING THOSE EXISTING CONER DOUBLE DOORS AND THEN PUTTING IN NEW, UH, STOREFRONT GLAZING THAT'S GOING TO MATCH, WHICH APPEARS TO BE CONER AS WELL.
UM, BUT THAT WAS UPLOADED IN OUR MOST RECENT SET.
UH, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY.
NOW QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, DO YOU HAVE YOUR LIGHT ON THE SPEAK OR NO? IF YOU DIDN'T.
IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE IT WAS DARK GLAZING.
SO YOU WANNA ASK WAS WAS YOUR NEW, IS YOUR ARE, IS THE GLAZING THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN, UH, A BLACK OF GRAY COLOR? WELL, IT APPEARS TO BE THIS IS WHAT'S ALREADY HERE.
UH, THEY PUT IT ON THE ENTIRE FACADE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, IT IS A KIND OF A DARKER LOOKING GLASS PER SE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT HISTORICAL, BUT IT'S THE CONER FRAME SYSTEM.
UH, WE'LL JUST MATCH EXACTLY UH, WHAT'S THERE CURRENTLY, UH, TO KEEP THE SAME RHYTHM FACADE OF THE BUILDING.
SO IT'S NOT WHAT'S THE VERY WHITE GLO FROSTED GLASS THAT'S IN OUR, OUR PA OUR FOLDERS.
PARDON? IT'S NOT THE WHITE FROSTED GLASS THAT WE HAD IN OUR FOLDER.
SO IT IS TINTED, UH, IT APPEARS TO BE MAYBE SLIGHTLY, UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE ON HERE.
UM, IT'S ALSO I GUESS HOW YOU, THE GLASS AND REFLECTIVITY THAT'S OCCURRING, UM, SLIGHTLY, BUT YEAH, THAT'S THE EXISTING GLASS CONDITION THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT IS CLEAR, NOT FULLY TINTED.
MY QUESTION WAS, ARE YOU REPLACING IT WITH DARK
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TINTED GLASS? UH, NO.WE'RE JUST FOR REPLACING IT WITH AGAIN, CLEAR GLASS LIKE THIS.
THIS IS WHAT THE, UH, GLASS WERE MATCHING.
I THOUGHT WE WERE PUTTING IN ETCHED OR OR SMOKED GLASS BECAUSE THE ROOM WAS A RESTROOM.
NO, THAT'S WHERE THE EXISTING, UM, WINDOW IS THAT WE ARE MATCHING.
WE HAD HEARD IT WAS GONNA BE FOR A RESTROOM AND THAT'S WHY THEY WANTED REALLY FROSTED GLASS TO GIVE PRIVACY.
THERE IS A, THAT WAS UH, THAT WAS A PHOTO OF A RESTROOM WHERE THE GLASS WAS BEFORE.
THIS IS THE MOST RECENT ONE THAT WE SUBMITTED, UM, ON THE 21ST.
UM, AND THEN WE DID HAVE ONE BEFORE.
BUT YEAH, THAT'S THE NEW GLAZING RIGHT HERE ON THE FLOOR PLAN.
UM, THAT'S ONE THAT WE'RE MATCHING THAT IS IN A RESTROOM OVER HERE.
UH, THIS IS AN OFFICE AND THE GLAZING MATCHES THE GLAZING ON THE OTHER SIMILAR OPENINGS ON THAT SIDE, CORRECT? YEP, ABSOLUTELY.
I'LL GO TO THE, UH, ELEVATION HERE IS THE PROPOSED.
SO YEAH, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ONE RIGHT ABOVE IT RIGHT HERE THAT WE'RE MATCHING.
AND THEN HERE'S THAT RESTROOM RIGHT HERE THAT WE'RE MATCHING.
UH, THOSE ARE THE DOUBLE DOORS THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVED AND THEN WE'RE PUTTING IN A WINDOW FOR THOSE.
MR. ANDERSON, WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY HEARING, UH, OUR GUESTS ONLINE.
CAN YOU SAY AGAIN, WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THE OPAQUE GLASS? WHAT IS GOING ON IN THAT INTERIOR SPACE THAT THEY'LL PAN GLASS IS NECESSARY OR RE OR REQUESTED? UH, THERE'S NOTHING FOR OPAQUE GLASS IN HERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
I THINK THERE WAS A PHOTO OF THE EXISTING FROM THE INTERIOR.
UM, WE'RE JUST PUTTING IN A NEW WINDOW THAT'S GONNA GO RIGHT HERE.
HE'S ASKING WHAT WILL THE SPACE BE USED FOR? OH, IT'S JUST AN OFFICE.
HE'S SAYING THEY'RE NOT, WHY IS
THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE TOLD BEFORE.
THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY ASKING FOR ALL.
YEAH, WE CLARIFIED IN THE LAST, UH, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
I THINK THOSE WERE FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING NOTES, UM, THAT WE HAD ALREADY.
SO TO BE, TO CLARIFY, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR OPAQUE GLASSES.
THE SAME GLASSES THE REST OF THE GLASS, RIGHT IN THAT REAR FACADE? YES SIR.
YEAH, WE'RE JUST PUTTING IN, UH, WE'RE THIS IS THAT OLD, UH, GLASS DOORS RIGHT HERE AND WE'RE JUST GONNA GET RID OF THESE AND THEN WE'RE JUST GONNA PUT IN A WINDOW THAT MATCHES THE OTHER WINDOWS.
NO, THIS, THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.
AND OF COURSE IF WE GO WITH STAFF SUGGESTION, UM, THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO APPROVE, BUT THE REPLACEMENT CLASS CAN'T BE REFLECTED OR TINTED.
SO IT COVERS IT TO, TO SAY THAT IT'S JUST GONNA BE THE GLASS LIKE THE REST OF THE CLASS.
SO IS THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTION OR DISCUSSION OR PERHAPS A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION.
UM, DISCUSSION ITEM 1 33 0 9 EL STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS COA 2 5 4 0 2, THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE.
UM, AS NOTED WITH THE, WITH CONDITIONS THAT THE REPLACEMENT GLASS IS NOT REFLECTIVE NOR TINTED.
UM, AND IT WILL MATCH OTHER, UH, CLEAR VISION GLASS.
THANK YOU MR. ANDERSON FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY FURTHER COMMENT? ALRIGHT THEN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
SO YOU HAVE YOUR APPROVAL TO PROCEED, SIR.
JUST WORK WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE YOU GIVE YOUR, UM, YOUR CA AND, AND HOPE EVERYTHING GOES WELL.
UM, MADAM CHAIR, UM, SINCE A REPRESENTATIVE HAS ARRIVED FOR, UH, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER FIVE, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE DISCUSSION ITEM FIVE, THE NEXT, UH, IN THE AGENDA CONSIDERATION.
COMMISSIONER REEVES IS SECONDED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL BE HEARING IN DISCUSSION ITEM FIVE.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING DISCUSSION ITEM D FIVE ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 2228 EUGENE STREET.
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IN QUEEN CITY, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER PRE-DESIGN MORATORIUM.THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 DASH 4 7 4.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MADE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A REAR DETACHED TWO CAR GARAGE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A REAR DETACHED TWO CAR GARAGE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 10 24 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT A FACE SHARP FREEBOARD BE ADDED TO ALL ELEVATIONS INCLUDING ABOVE THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS.
MINIMUM HEIGHT EIGHT INCHES, PREFERABLY CEDAR TWO THAT WINDOWS BE ALUMINUM FRAMED WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION OF ONE OVER ONE NO GRILLS AND NO CLADDING.
THREE, THAT ROOF TAP RAFTER TAILS BE EXPOSED AT OVERHANGS.
THAT EXTERIOR SIDING BE ALL WOOD HORIZONTAL LEFT SIDING MILLWORK PATTERN 1 0 5 AND FIVE.
THAT ROOF PITCH OF FRONT GABLE MATCHED THAT OF LEFT SIDE ELEVATION GABLES.
AND SIX, THAT FOUNDATION HEIGHT BE A MINIMUM OF 12 INCHES ABOVE GRADE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION D FIVE B FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS ASCERTAIN THAT ALL FEEDBACK FROM THE LANDMARK COMMISSION IS INCLUDED IN THE FINAL DESIGN.
YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH SENT US, SENT IT TO US.
WE HAVE A SPEAKER HERE, TRACY WILLIAMS. AND, UM, I THINK YOU KNOW THE DRILL.
I NEED YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOUR AFFIRMATION THAT YOU'LL TELL THE TRUTH.
TRACY WILLIAMS, SEVEN 11 NORTH BECKLEY, UM, DALLAS, TEXAS, AND YES, I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
OKAY, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO, UH, TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL DETAILS.
UM, WE CONCUR WITH ALL OF THE REQUESTS FROM, UH, THE PREVIOUS REVIEW AND, UH, WE HAVE INCLUDED THOSE IN, UH, THE, THE UPDATED RENDERINGS THAT YOU SEE.
UM, UH, I BELIEVE EVERYTHING IS IN LINE.
AND JUST CURIOUS IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR REQUESTS FROM THE COMMISSION.
OKAY, WELL I HAD, I HAD WONDERS 'CAUSE I I SEE YOU SAID THE CITING WHAT, WHAT PROFILE IS THAT? YOU HAVE? WOOD SIDING, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT YOU TO HAVE.
WHAT SHAPE IS IT? IS IT 1 0 5 OR IT YES, YES IT IS.
BECAUSE WE DO LIKE THAT TO BE CALLED OUT BECAUSE THERE ARE, THERE EXISTS WOOD SIDING THAT ISN'T THE RIGHT TIME TO HAVE, BUT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD ONE.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I HAVE A QUESTION.
ON THE NORTH SIDE ELEVATION, THERE'S A LARGE SECTION TOWARD THE FRONT THAT HAS NO WINDOWS.
IS THAT A BEDROOM? BEHIND THAT NORTH SIDE IS A WINDOWLESS SECTION BY THE FRONT PORCH ON THE SIDE BY THE FRONT PORCH.
OH, I MEAN ON THE UPDATED PLANS THAT WE PROVIDED ON THE NORTH SIDE ELEVATION, THERE'S A LARGE WINDOWLESS AREA ON THE NORTH SIDE ELEVATION THE WINDOW.
SO, UM, THAT IS THERE A REASON THERE'S NO WINDOWS ON THAT WALL? UM, CAN I SEE THE, CAN I SEE THE, THE, THE, THE FOUR POINT? IT'S ON THE, IT'S IT'S UP THERE.
WELL, THE, THE SIDE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, IT'S THAT TOP ONE.
SO THE FRONT PORCH IS TO YOUR LEFT FRONT.
I, UM, I, I NEED TO SEE THE ACTUAL, UH, FINAL FRONT FOR THAT ON THE SCREEN.
NOT THE ARCHIVE ELEVATION, BUT THE, THE, IT'S ON THE SCREEN HERE.
HE NEEDS TO SEE THE PLANTS SO HE KNOWS WHAT BEHIND THAT WALL.
I THINK IT'S A BEDROOM OR OFFICE FLEX.
THIS ONE, THE MASTER BEDROOM, IT APPEARS THERE'S A BEDROOM ON THAT WALL.
IT'S THE MASTER BEDROOM AND YOU'VE GOT A DRAWING OF THE BED UP AGAINST THAT WALL.
BUT THERE'S ANOTHER BEDROOM ON THAT SAME
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FACADE THAT HAS A WINDOW IN IT.SO I SO YOUR WINDOW JUST TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, IT'S ALSO IN THE BEDROOM PERHAPS BECAUSE OF THE THREE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT AND THEY, THEM MADE THE DESIGNER THINK THERE WAS NOT ONE ON NEEDED ON THE SIDE, BUT IT MAKES THE OUTSIDE LOOK STRANGE TO NOT HAVE ONE.
YES, IT NEEDS TO HAVE WINDOWS ON THAT WALL.
YOU SEE WE NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE WINDOW OR TWO WINDOWS.
YOU WANT TWO WINDOWS TO FLANK THE BED BY THE NIGHTSTANDS.
OR ONE, BUT THAT WINDOWLESS WALL IS GONNA BE VERY NOTICEABLE FROM THE STREET.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? I, COMMISSIONER
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS WAS FASTER THAN COMMISSIONER KNOWS.
WELL, BECAUSE I'M ABOUT TO GO RESTROOM
UM, BUT I'M LOOKING AT PAGE, UH, 0.008 AND UM, THAT JUST KIND OF RUBS ME A LITTLE AWKWARD THAT WE'RE, WE'VE GOT ELONGATED PITCHES ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT ON THAT ONE ELEVATION.
AND THEN WE HAVE A STEEPER ROOF PITCH ON THE OTHER ONE.
AND IT'S UM, SEEMS LIKE THE ROOF PITCHES SHOULD BE CONSISTENT AND SHOULD BE WORK CLOSE TO THAT SIX 12 RANGE.
WELL, WHAT IS THE, THE BACK RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S MORE COMMON OF A VICTORIAN DESIGN WHERE THE, THEY DID EXAGGERATE PITCHES ON THE FRONT.
I YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN ISN'T REALLY VICTORIAN, IT'S FRONT CRAFTMAN.
YEAH, SINCE IT'S CRAFTSMAN IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE INCONSISTENT ROOF PITCHES, WHICH WOULD NOT WELL BE A CRAFTMAN.
THE, THE BACK, THE BACK LOOKS CRAFTSMAN AND THE FRONT LOOKS VICTORIAN.
IT'S BECAUSE THE ROOF PITCH IS SECRET.
SO THAT WAS A COMMENT BROUGHT UP DURING THE REVIEW PERIOD.
I DID, UM, WORK WITH THE ARCHITECT AND SHE CONFIRMED THAT BOTH OF THE ROOF PITCHES ARE THE SAME HEIGHT, BUT THE DRAWING IS JUST SHOWING IT.
UM, I HAVE A SET OF PLANS WHERE THAT WAS UPDATED AND IT WAS MY THOUGHT THAT THOSE PLANS WERE SUBMITTED, BUT UH, IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT I COULD MAKE SURE THAT, UH, IT'S VERY CLEAR TO SEE ON THE DRAWINGS FOR SURE.
DID YOU JUST SAY THAT THEY'RE THE SAME HEIGHT? WE CAN SEE THAT IT'S WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE THE SAME, SAME PITCH, BUT EARLIER ANGLE
IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COTTAGE LIKE.
SO, SO WOULD YOU THINK THAT THE COTTAGE LOOK WOULD BE MORE PREFERRED THAN THE CRAFTSMAN? LOOK, IT COULD BE AN OPTION AND CERTAINLY COULD CONSIDER SOME DIFFERENT COLUMNS ON THE FRONT TO MAKE IT LESS CRAFTSMAN.
I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE COTTAGE LOOK THAT WE HAVE THAN TO CHANGE THE FACADE TO LOOK LIKE THE BACK AND THEN IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE A CRAFTSMAN.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? OKAY.
SO HOW WOULD YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE FRONT? IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME THAT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS DIFFERENT THAN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
'CAUSE YOU'RE NEVER GONNA SEE THEM TOGETHER.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA WORRY ABOUT THE PITCH, BUT DO WE WANNA CHANGE THE, UM, DELINEATION OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE? THE COLUMNS? I WOULD LEAVE THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE ALONE AND IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, LOOK AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
I DON I'M JUST TRYING NOT TO GET ANOTHER CRAFTSMAN.
I THINK, WELL I'M TRYING TO SEE IF WE COULD CONSIDER A DIFFERENT KIND OF COLUMN INSTEAD.
DIFFERENT KIND OF WHAT DIFFERENT COLUMN INSTEAD.
THAT SAME ONE THAT EVERYBODY'S GOT.
WELL, THEY, IT'S A LOVELY COLUMN, BUT THERE'S JUST SO MANY OF THEM.
WELL, AND I AGREE THAT, AND FOR SOME REASON WHEN THEY BUILD THOSE BATTERED COLUMNS LIKE THAT, THEY USUALLY DON'T LOOK RIGHT, SO THEY GET TO BE SKINNY AND FUNNY.
WHAT MIGHT WE SUGGEST INSTEAD OF THAT COLUMN? WELL, DO THEY DO A A SQUARE COLUMN? A SQUARE COLUMN? SO A BOX COLUMN WITH AN ASSET PANEL DOESN'T TAPER.
IT'S THE SAME OTHER ONE YOU SAID SQUARE COLUMN BOX.
AND WHAT WAS THE LAST PART? THIS IS SQUARE BOX COLUMN.
IT LOOKS SIMILAR TO THIS ONE JUST ON TAPER AT THE TOP BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S BUILDING THOSE IN QUEEN CITY.
EVERYBODY I WANT YOU JUST KEEPING, BUT YOU DON'T WANT 'EM ALL TO LOOK ALIKE OR OTHERWISE EVERYBODY'S GONNA THINK QUEEN CITY HAD NOTHING BUT TAPERED COLUMNS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ABOUT 90% DONE TWO HOUSES DOWN WHERE WE WERE APPROVED EARLIER AND THE COLUMNS ARE THE SAME.
SO A DIFFERENT ONE WOULD DISTINGUISH THIS.
AND THAT WOULD BE A NICE CHANGE.
I WISH YOU JUST KEEPING THE DIMENSION AT THE BOTTOM, THE, THE DIMENSION FOR THE WHOLE COLUMN.
OKAY, SO INSTEAD OF, AND YOU CAN STILL HAVE A BRICK BASE AND A WOOD TOP.
IT'S JUST THE WOOD TOP IS STRAIGHT UP DOWN.
SO INSTEAD OF GOING UP, JUST GO GO STRAIGHT UP INSTEAD OF THAT AN ANGLE.
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A A I I IMAGINE THERE'S A, LIKE SHE SAID, A COLUMN CAPITAL AND A BASE, A LITTLE MOLDING AT THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM.THEY DON'T HAVE TO CUT WOOD AT AN ANGLE TO DO THAT.
SO THAT STRAIGHT WOOD COMMISSIONER, PRE COMMISSIONER, WAIT A MINUTE, COMMISSIONER.
UM, HE MAY, HE MAY ASK MY QUESTION SO HE MIGHT AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
YEAH, SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF INCONSISTENCIES BETWEEN THE PLANS AND THE ELEVATIONS AND THE, UM, AND THE, WELL I'M GONNA CALL 'EM RENDERINGS.
IT'S THE, THE THREE DIMENSIONAL ONES.
UM, THE FIRST ONE I'LL, UM, ADDRESSES THE, THE REAR PORCH.
SO IN THE ELEVATIONS FOR INSTANCE ON, LET'S SEE, SHOOT, UM, UH, LET'S SEE, IT'S THE SOUTH SIDE ELEVATION.
UM, IT'S SHOWING THAT THE GABLE IS GOING ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE EXTENSION OF THE PORCH, WHEN IN FACT IT'S ACTUALLY AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE INSTEAD IN THE PORCHES.
SO, UM, YOU'RE, YOU GOT THE MODEL RIGHT? THE ELEVATION JUST NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED TO, TO MATT.
UM, AND THEN ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, UM, LET'S SEE ON THE, THE NORTH SIDE ELEVATION, SEE HOW, UM, IF YOU CAN PULL THAT UP, DR.
WHAT'S GOING ON? SEE HOW THE, UM, THE GABLE IS NOT CENTERED ON THE, THE FLOOR PLAN.
IT KIND OF HANGS OVER TO THE, IT'S TOO FAR OVER TO THE, TO THE LEFT.
SO EITHER YOU COULD EXTEND THE, THE FLOOR PLAN TO CAPTURE THAT ONE EXTRA WINDOW AND MAKE THE GABLE SYMMETRICAL OVER IT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, YEAH.
OR JUST MOVE THE WHOLE GABLE OVER.
AND I KNOW THAT'S GONNA MOVE THE, 'CAUSE IT'S ACROSS GABLE, IT GOES ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE WHOLE HOUSE.
SO THAT'LL CHANGE THE PROPORTIONS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE TOO.
SO IT MIGHT BE EASIER JUST TO SQUARE UP AND PICK UP THAT EXTRA WINDOW.
AND I KNOW YOU'RE ADDING A LITTLE BIT MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO DO THAT, BUT THAT MIGHT BE A CLEANER WAY TO, TO GET ALL THE, THE ANGLES TO LINE UP.
UM, AND THEN GENERALLY I CAN'T TELL.
YEAH, IT LOOK, GENERALLY YOU HAVE A HEADER, UM, BEAM AT THE PORCHES THAT, UM, IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN THE ROOF COMES OVER, YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT A BEAM THAT HOLDS UP ALL THE RAFTERS.
SO YOU'RE IN THOSE, IN THESE ELEVATIONS THAT'S SHOWING THERE'S NOT ONE.
UM, YOU'LL FIND THAT WHEN YOU START TO BUILD IT, YOU'LL, YOU'LL NEED IT TO HOLD UP THE RAFTERS.
OTHERWISE, UH, THERE'S NO SUPPORT FOR IT.
SO THERE'LL JUST BE AN EXTRA LINE, UM, AN EXTRA BEAM THAT, THAT, THAT HELPS SUPPORT THAT ON BOTH OF THE PORCHES.
UM, SO THEN FOLLOWING THE LINES OF IF THIS ISN'T A, A CRAFTSMAN, THEN PERHAPS THERE'S A DIFFERENT CHOICE FOR THE FRONT DOOR THAT WOULD FLIP THE UM, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S A CRAFTSMAN FRONT DOOR.
UM, SO PERHAPS YOU LOOK FOR A VICTORIAN DOOR OR SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE SIMPLER RATHER THAN THE SIX LIGHT.
WHEN I TALK ABOUT LIGHTS, THOSE ARE THE WIND, THE PIECES OF GLASS THAT ARE IN THE DOOR ITSELF.
UM, SO THAT COULD JUST BE SIMPLIFIED INSTEAD OF THE SIX, IT MIGHT JUST BE ONE.
UM, THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS.
UM, WELL YOU ADDRESSED MY ONE COMMENT ABOUT THE SIDE GABLE AND THAT WEIRD KIND OF PUSHBACK, BUT THE OTHER QUESTIONS WERE ON THE VENTS FOR IN THE GABLES FOR THE MAIN HOU FOR THE HOUSE AND FOR THE GARAGE.
WELL THOSE ALL GONNA BE WOOD LOUVERED VENTS 'CAUSE THEY JUST SHOW ON THE DRAWING IS A BIG BLACK VOID
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? 'CAUSE IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS THEN IS THERE A MOTION COMMISSIONER RENO LOOKED LIKE HE WAS GONNA MAKE A MOTION AND THEN ELAINE DISTRACTED HIM.
THERE WAS, I WAS THE TIMING OFF? DID I GET IT RIGHT? OKAY, GOOD.
OKAY, WE'RE ALL JUST WAITING FOR YOU TO, THAT'S ALL.
LEMME GO BACK TO THE RIGHT PAGE.
UM, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
UH, THE ADDRESS 2228 EUGENE STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS COA 2 5 4 7 4.
THAT WE APPROVE THE, UM, THE DESIGN WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
JUST WANNA SEE IF WHAT MINE MATCH UP WITH, UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION,
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
IT'S POSSIBLY, THAT WAS PROBABLY NUMBER 11 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YEAH, WELL IT DID KIND OF GO ON, THAT'S WHY I
BUT WE RELY UPON YOU TO GET ALL THE DETAILS, RIGHTS ALL AND COMMISSIONER RES A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? A YES.
I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO.
YOUR MOTION IS CARRIED, SIR, WITH MANY CAVEATS, WHICH YOU KNOW DR.
DUN WILL BE HAPPY TO HELP YOU WITH AND UH, WE HOPE THAT THE PROJECT TURNS OUT BEAUTIFUL.
IS THIS THE, THE CORRECT TIME FOR THE REQUEST OF FORMAL? YEAH,
THAT TIME WILL COME OBVIOUSLY.
ALL RIGHT, SO THAT WAS DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
NOW WE HAVE DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS ALSO CLEAN CITY.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 26 0 9 D STREET IN QUEEN CITY, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER PRE DESIGNATION MORATORIUM.
THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 4 3 4.
UH, THE REQUEST IS FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 10 17 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT PAINT COLORS FOR THE BODY AND TRIM BE SELECTED FROM A HISTORIC PAINT COLOR SELECTION.
FOR EXAMPLE, SHERWIN WILLIAMS ARTS AND CRAFTS COLLECTION AND NOT BE THE COLOR BLACK TWO THAT ALL EVENT BE INSTALLED IN FRONT PORCH GABLE.
THREE, THAT EXTERIOR LIGHTING BE CRAFTSMAN STYLE FOUR THAT WINDOWS BE ALL WOOD, NO CLADDING WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION OF ONE OH A ONE, WHICH THEY ARE THAT ROOF RAF CURTAILS BE EXPOSED AT OVERHANGS.
AND SIX, THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE OF BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED TO WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION D FIVE B FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS ASCERTAIN THAT ALL FEEDBACK FROM THE LANDMARK COMMISSION IS INCLUDED IN THE FINAL DESIGN.
OKAY, AND MR. WEST, I THINK YOU KNOW THE DRILL.
BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE OR SQUARE AFFIRM OR SAY YOU'LL TELL THE TRUTH HOWEVER YOU WANNA DO IT.
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1512 COMMERCE STREET, SEVEN 12 DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 1.PROMISE TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH, WHOLE, UH, NOTHING BUT TRUE.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO BEGIN TRUTH TELLING
ALL RIGHT, SO SINCE THE LAST TIME WE'VE SEEN EACH OTHER, WE'VE DONE SOME WORK ON, UH, THIS PROPERTY TO ENSURE THAT THAT ROOF LINE, THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF IT STAYED BELOW 26 FEET, IN WHICH WE THOUGHT THAT RIGHT THERE AT 26 FEET, WE CREATED A VISUAL GRAPHIC TO UH, AND IT WAS ON THE, OH, THERE WE ARE.
WE CREATED A VISUAL GRAPHIC TO BE ABLE TO SHOW, UH, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM AN INDIVIDUAL STANDING ON THE SIDEWALK ON SAME SIDE OF THE STREET, OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET, AND, UH, INDIVIDUALS STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WITH THOSE RED LINES GOING UP, THAT THAT, UH, SECOND FLOOR FROM THOSE VANTAGE POINTS WOULD NOT BE OBSERVABLE, UH, FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
UH, OUTSIDE OF THAT, UH, WE MADE SURE TO, WE ARE NOT SHOWING IT IN THESE ELEVATIONS, BUT WE DID MAKE A NOTE ON THE PLANS ON THE ELEVATIONS THAT WE WILL HAVE EXPOSED RAPTOR TILLS ON THIS PROJECT AS WELL AS THE, UH, A NOTE, I BELIEVE IT'S ON OUR SITE PLAN, THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE.
UH, IN TERMS OF NOTE NUMBER ONE FOR STACK STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT COLOR OF BLACK WAS CHOSEN FROM A HISTORICAL PALETTE.
IT WAS CHOSEN FROM BENJAMIN MOORE HISTORICAL PALETTE
AND SO, UM, AND I WOULD LIKE FURTHER CLARIFICATION ON, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO FOR THE LITTLE VENT INSTALLED IN THE FRONT PORCH GABLE.
UH, OUTSIDE OF THAT, UH, WE MADE SURE TO ADDRESS AS MANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE UNDERSTOOD, UH, FROM THE PRIOR MEETING INTO THIS CURRENT DESIGN.
UM, WOULD LOVE TO HEAR Y'ALL'S FEEDBACK.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
UM, IS THERE PRECEDENT OR ARE THERE ANY ORIGINAL CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN QUEEN CITY THAT ARE TWO STORY OR HAVE A POPUP IN THE BACK LIKE THIS? THERE ARE TWO STORIES THAT ARE ORIGINAL, TWO STORIES.
UH, THE POPUP FOR THE MOST PART IS A REAR EDITION REAR VERTICAL EDITION.
I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS THIS REAR EDITION TYPICAL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? THERE ARE SOME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S JUST THAT THEY WERE NOT PART, USUALLY THEY WEREN'T A PART OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
MY CONCERN IS WE ARE CASTING THE WATERS ON WHAT WE'RE BUILDING IN QUEEN CITY AND I'M CONCERNED THAT THIS POPUP BECOMES A TWO STORY WILL BE VERY POPULAR AND WE MAY GET LOTS OF THEM BECAUSE IT'S A WAY TO GET A SECOND FLOOR.
AND I'M FEARFUL THAT WE MAY BE LOSING THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF WE APPROVE THIS TODAY AND THEN WE BECOME A PRECEDENT SETTING AND THEY SAY THERE'S NO PRECEDENT, BUT THEY'LL SAY THERE'S THE ONE HERE, WE WANT TO HAVE THE SAME THING.
SO I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT IT SHOULD BE A STORY AND A HALF DROPPING THAT ROOF.
I I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL ROOF ON THERE.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO USE FOR THAT ROOF.
IF YOU DO A, A DORMER, IT COULD BE ONE LONG SHED DORMER OFF THE EXISTING ROOF.
YOU GET THE SAME, BASICALLY THE SAME THING.
DOES ANYBODY SHARE THAT CONCERN WITH ME? DID UM, DID YOU HAVE ANY RESPONSE TO THAT MR. WILSON? I MEAN HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE QUESTION BUT HE HAS A CONCERN.
UM, I GUESS A, A TRUE RESPONSE, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
SO WITH THAT TYPE OF STATEMENT, THAT WOULD TELL ME THAT TWO STORY STRUCTURES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD COULD BE ONLY ONE WAY, AND I BELIEVE THE CORRECT TERM IS THE FOUR SQUARE INTO WHICH THE WHOLE SECOND FLOOR STRUCTURE TWO STORIES IS ELEVATED AT THE FRONT.
IF THAT IS YOUR POSITION, I CAN RESPECT THAT POSITION.
BUT AS A BOARD I WOULD BE CAREFUL, UH, BECAUSE THAT STATEMENT WILL BE MAKING IS ONLY, THE ONLY TWO STORY STRUCTURES THAT'S ALLOWED WITHIN QUEEN CITY WILL BE A FOUR SQUARE.
THAT'S REALLY NOT, I WANNA SET THAT PRECEDENT.
THAT'S REALLY NOT WHAT I INTENDED.
UM, MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS IS THE TRUE STORY FROM THE BACK
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AND A STORY, ONE STORY FROM THE FRONT.AND SINCE WE ARE DON'T HAVE CRITERIA THAT WE ACTUALLY ARE LOOKING AT, WE ARE KIND OF FLYING A LITTLE BIT BLINDLY.
AND MY CONCERN IS IF THIS GETS APPROVED TODAY, IT WILL BECOME A PRECEDENT AND PEOPLE WILL BE BUILDING ONE STORY HOUSES WITH TWO STORY PIECES ON THE BACK AND WE WILL IN INNATE, IN, IN, IN THEORY LOSE THE QUAINT QUALITY OF THOSE STREETS.
SO I THINK IT'S DANGEROUS TO APPROVE THIS TODAY.
UM, AND AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT CONCERN.
WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THE CONCERN IF WE SAID IT HAS TO BE TWO STORY TO THE FRONT, THEN THERE WILL BE MORE TWO STORIES THAN WHAT MY BRIEF VISIT TO QUEEN CITY SHOWED ME ACTUALLY EXISTS THERE.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE A QUESTION ON THE ISSUE OF WHETHER IT SHOULD HAVE A SECOND STORY EITHER FULL OR PARTIAL? I GOT A LITTLE CONCERNED, UH, ON JUST HOW WE HAVE A GABLE, THAT PORCH GABLE IS DYING INTO THE SIDE OF THAT ROOF.
AND THEN I KNOW THE BACK IS ANOTHER GABLE THAT'S POPPED UP WITH THE SIGHT LINES.
YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THOSE PARTICULAR SITE POINTS, BUT JUST TRYING TO GET MY HANDS AROUND IT, IT JUST LOOKS AWKWARD TO ME.
UH, AND I'M CRYING TRYING TO GET MY HANDS AROUND THIS GABLE DI D THIS GABLE PORCH DINE INTO THE SIDE OF THIS UM, ROOF WITH ANOTHER GABLE BEHIND IT.
AND THAT'S A SIX FOOT POPUP ON THE BACK.
UM, AND ON A SMALLER SCALE, A SMALLER NOTE, I SEEMS LIKE THE COLUMNS ON THE PORCH IS A LITTLE THIN, UH, ON A SMALLER NOTE.
UM, BUT I'M GONNA SIT HERE AND TRY TO GET MY HANDS AROUND THIS A LITTLE FURTHER.
DO WE HAVE, UM, THIS ONE, THIS WAS RIGHT BEFORE THERE WAS A, A COLLAGE OF PHOTOS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, THAT WAS BEING SHOWN.
UH, WHICH ONES THAT HAD TWO STORIES AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT SOME OF THOSE LOOKS LIKE THEY ALL BEEN HAD, HAD BEEN ADDED ON, BUT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OTHER THAT MAY UH, SWAY THE OPINION ONE SIDE POSITIVE OR ONE SIDE TO THE, TO THE NOT SUPPORTIVE.
I JUST WONDER IF WE STILL HAD THAT, THAT PHOTO I RECOGNIZED
YEAH, THEY'RE TWO ABOVE THE, OKAY.
I THINK WE HAVE COMMISSIONER PER IN LINE, MS SPEAK ALSO AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE DONE YET WITH COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
SO YEAH, I GOT A CUE GOING HERE.
A LOT OF THOSE EXAMPLES LOOK VERY DIFFERENT.
DO YOU THINK COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS FROM WHAT IT WAS TODAY? YEAH, I MEAN THEY ALL SEEM LIKE WHAT WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT THEY WERE UH, THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, WORKED ON NOT, THEY WERE WEREN'T ORIGINAL AND THEY WERE ADDED.
UM, BUT I WAS JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT 'EM ONE MORE TIME AND I'M GONNA FIND 'EM ON MY SCREEN.
SO SHOULD I GO ONTO COMMISSIONER OSI OR DON'T WAIT ON ME? NO, I WAS JUST ADDRESSING SOME OF MY NOT, WE DON'T ENJOY WATCHING.
YOU THINK THE LITTLE WHEEL'S TURNING.
UM, SO THIS IS RELATED TO THE TWO, TWO STORY ASPECT OF IT, QUOTE UNQUOTE.
UM, IF STAFF COULD TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE SIGHTLINES AND HOW THAT WORKS AND HOW THEY FEEL THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED ABOUT THE SIGHTLINES AND NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE THE BACK TWO STORY PORTION OF IT, HOW Y'ALL FEEL ABOUT THAT.
HOW DOES STAFF FEEL ABOUT THE SIGHTLINES? YES.
THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT SIGHTLINE STUDY THAT WAS DONE MM-HMM
THAT, I MEAN, WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK ABOUT THE SIGHTLINE STUDY? I GUESS IS, IS THAT SOMETHING WE SHOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION OR, OR HOW DOES THAT, I GUESS LETTING US KNOW MORE ABOUT HOW, HOW Y'ALL FEEL ABOUT THAT? ARE YOU ASKING IF IT REASSURES US OR? WELL, I, I'M ASKING ABOUT, THIS GOES TO THE QUESTION ABOUT HOW VISIBLE THAT BACK TWO PORTIONS CAN BE.
'CAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IN DRAWINGS, IT IS VERY VISIBLE.
BUT WILL THE PERSON DRIVING DOWN THE STREET OR WALKING DOWN THE STREET BE ABLE TO SEE IT OR NOT? THAT WAS REALLY KIND OF MY QUESTION FOR STAFF IS CAN YOU, THIS IS COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, CAN YOU BLOW UP THAT PICTURE FROM THE PREVIOUS DRAWING IN THE BOTTOM CORNER THAT SHOWED THAT STREET VIEW AND PERSPECTIVE? UM, LET'S SEE.
I THINK IT ALSO, ON A SIDE NOTE ON THE SAME DISCUSSION WITH THE SITELINE, IT'S NOT POSSIBLY TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THAT YOU'RE
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A LITTLE TO THE LEFT OR A LITTLE BIT TO THE RIGHT.AND YOU'RE SEEING, YOU CAN SEE IN BETWEEN THE HOUSES AND YOU CAN SEE MORE OF AN ANGLED VIEW FROM FRONT TO BACK.
SO YOU WOULD, IF YOU DID, YOU WOULD NOTICE THAT'S ONLY THE BOTTOM DEPICTING A SIGHT LINE FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, DO I HAVE THE DRAWING UP YOU'RE ASKING FOR? YES.
THE LOWER PICTURE IN THE BOTTOM.
THIS ONE, THE, TO THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS THAT THE IMAGE THAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT IS BLOWN UP EVEN LARGER ON THE LAST SHEET.
YEAH, THAT ONE IT SEEMS, YEAH THAT ONE, IF YOU CAN MAKE THAT A LITTLE LARGER, THAT ONE SEEMS TO TELL A LITTLE MORE OF THE STORY OF THE SIGHT LINES FOR ME AT LEAST.
AND IT'S ON ANOTHER PAGE REPEATED.
YEAH, SO THIS ONE WE CREATED THIS RENDERING, UM, STANDING IN, WELL REALLY THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET BUT ON THE STREET TOOK A PICTURE OF THE PROPERTY AND CURRENTLY, UH, THE NEIGHBOR PARTS THEIR TRUCK THERE.
AND SO WE LEFT THAT THERE FOR UH, FOR, FOR SCALE PURPOSES REALLY, UH, AND PLACED THE HOUSE RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
AND SO THIS IS THE GENERAL SIDE VIEW THAT YOU WOULD GET.
I THINK THIS DEPICTS VERY CLEARLY AT LEAST ONE ATTEMPT AT THE SIDELINES OF HOW TO MINIMIZE THAT BACK PORTION.
YEAH, WELL I, OKAY, SO I WANTED TO ADD A FEW, UH, UH, OBSERVATIONS AS WELL.
UM, I THINK THE FACT THAT YOU'VE ADDED THE, UM, I BELIEVE IN PLANETS A PANTRY IS THAT, OR A UTILITY ROOM.
UH, BASICALLY IT'S A PROJECTION ON THAT REAR PORTION.
BECAUSE IN MY MIND WITH THAT THERE, IT HELPS PUSH, IT HELPS MAKE THE SECOND FLOOR LOOK MORE LIKE A DORMER RATHER THAN SITTING FULLY OVER THE FIRST FLOOR.
SO THAT'S DEFINITELY A GOOD MOVE.
ONE OTHER SUGGESTION I WOULD HAVE ON THAT HOWEVER, IS THAT IF YOU BROUGHT THE ROOF OF THAT LOWER PIECE OVER TO COVER THAT SIDE DOOR, THEN YOU HAVE PROTECTION ON YOUR PORCH ON THAT, YOU KNOW, ON THE, THE SECONDARY DOOR BACK THERE.
PLUS IT HELPS COVER UP A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE SECOND FLOOR TO HELP IT FEEL MORE IN SCALE.
AND I THINK THAT THE OWNERS WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE HAVING THAT, HAVING THAT A ROOF OVER THAT BACK DOOR SO YOU DON'T GET RAINED ON AS YOU'RE TRYING TO GO IN THERE.
UM, I KNOW IT DOESN'T HAPPEN ON THIS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN TO, TO HELP PUSH THAT UM, UM, WALL BACK A LITTLE BIT.
BUT AT LEAST IN THE PHOTOGRAPH THERE'S A GIANT TREE IN THE FRONT THAT HASN'T BEEN TRIMMED UP
UH, I WOULD SUSPECT IN THE FUTURE THAT TREE DOES GET TRIMMED, YOU KNOW, SO YOU DO HAVE A MORE
AS YOU'RE LOOKING FROM THAT SIDE.
BUT, UH, NO, BUT I, I DO APPRECIATE THAT MOVE.
I THINK IT IS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UM, I WILL BE, UH, IN, IN FAVOR WITH SOME MINOR CORRECTIONS LIKE, OR MINOR UH, CONDITIONS LIKE I JUST MENTIONED.
BUT, UH, UH, BUT I THINK YOU'VE COME A LONG WAY IN, IN PICKING UP A NUMBER OF OUR OTHER SUGGESTIONS.
WOULD ONE OF THE POTENTIAL CONDITIONS, I BELIEVE SOMEONE MENTIONED THAT THE, UM, THE UPSTAIRS HAS AN EIGHT FOOT SIX CEILING, SO IT COULD GO TO EIGHT FOOT.
ONE, ONE THING I WANTED TO MENTION ON THAT ONE, I KNOW, UM, FOR INSTANCE THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO FRAME THAT SECOND FLOOR 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AS TALL OF A CEILING AS YOU CAN ON THAT, ON BOTH LEVELS IS THAT, UM, YOU COULD STILL KEEP A A, AN EIGHT FOOT TOP PLATE BUT THEN, UM, SLOPE THE CEILING INSIDE THE ROOMS A LITTLE BIT AND THEN GET YOUR NINE, EIGHT OR NINE EIGHT AND A HALF OR NINE FOOT CEILING IN THERE.
SO, SO IT, I KNOW WE CALL IT VAULTED CEILINGS, IT'S NOT A VAULT, BUT, BUT IT WOULD GIVE YOU BOTH, IT WOULD GIVE YOU A LOWER PLATE HEIGHT BUT THEN IT'D ALSO GIVE YOU THE CEILING THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE HIGHER CEILING
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
ARE WE DONE WITH ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT THEN.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AT 2 6 0 9 UH, DAY STREET THAT WE APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO ALSO ADD THE EIGHT FOOT, UH, PLATE HEIGHT ADJUSTMENT FOR THAT SECOND STORY REAR PART.
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THAT WAS COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA WHO SECONDED ANY COMMENTS? MAY I ADD ONE FRIENDLY CONDITION? UH, YOU CERTAINLY MAY ASK AND THEN THEY WILL RESPOND.OH, IT'S FRIENDLY THAT, THAT WE EXTEND THE UM, THAT ROOF ON THE GROUND LEVEL EXTENSION TO COVER THE DOOR.
DO YOU AGREE COMMISSIONER OSA? YES.
I THINK THEY'LL APPRECIATE THAT CARRYING THE GROCERIES IN.
YOU DON'T WANT WHAT? GROCERIES? I HAVE A COMMENT.
I'LL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS NOT TYPICAL OR APPROPRIATE TO THE DISTRICT AND WILL CAUSE A PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE WHEN MORE ARE REQUESTED AND APPROVED.
I I CAN CERTAINLY SEE IT LEADING TO MORE REQUESTS FOR THIS.
WHETHER OR NOT WE APPROVE THEM OR NOT IN THE FUTURE IS, IS UP TO WE OR WHOEVER WE ARE BY THE TIME THAT HAPPENS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER REEDS? I JUST THINK IT'S CURIOUS THAT THEY BUILT THE HOUSE, THAT THEY COULD MAKE ANYTHING THEY WANTED.
THAT THEY MADE IT LIKE A HOUSE THAT THEY ADDED ONTO IT.
IT DOES READ THAT IF A PERSON WAS CURIOUS AND IN THE KNOW THEY MAY THINK THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED BUT THAT IS WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO SEVERAL HOUSES THERE.
MM-HMM
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES.
WAS ANYONE AT HOME OPPOSED? YOU ALL THREE VOTED? YES.
ALRIGHT THEN IT APPEARS THAT IT HAS CARRIED, SO YOU MAY PROCEED PLEASE MAKING SURE YOU TAKE NOTE OF EVERY SINGLE CONDITION WE PUT IN THERE.
'CAUSE IF YOU DON'T WE WILL HEAR IT FROM EVERYBODY WHO DID
NOT THAT WE DON'T WANNA SEE YOU AGAIN 'CAUSE I'M SURE YOU'LL BUILD ANOTHER ONE, BUT YES MA'AM.
AND FOR THE RECORD, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON WAS OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION AND EVERYBODY ELSE
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER SIX, WE DON'T HAVE SEVEN.
UM, SHE, THE, THE, THE STAFF HAD HAD SPECIFIED IT CAN'T BE BLACK AND SAID TO CHOOSE IT FROM SHERMAN WILLIAM ARTS AND CRAFTS COLLECTION.
WE WILL WORK TOGETHER AND DR. DUNN, WE'LL BE WORKING TO THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT ALMOST BLACK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING DISCUSSION ITEM D EIGHT.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 37 19 MEADOW STREET IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE.
HISTORIC DISTRICT CASE NUMBER COA.
THERE SHOULD BE A DASH 25 4 14.
UH, THE REQUEST IS AS FOLLOWS OR ARE AS FOLLOWS, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE A REAR HORIZONTAL ADDITION FROM THE MAIN BUILDING.
THE SECOND REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RESTORE FENESTRATION OF THE MAIN BUILDING, INCLUDING RELOCATION OF FRONT DOOR AND REOPENING OF SEVEN WINDOWS.
THE THIRD REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONVERT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FROM A TWO CAR CARPORT TO A ONE CAR GARAGE.
THE FOURTH REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL WINDOWS TOTAL 13 PRIOR TO UNAUTHORIZED WORK.
STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS, ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE A REAR HORIZONTAL ADDITION FROM THE MAIN BUILDING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH JOINTS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 30 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT MAIN BUILDING BE RESTORED TO ITS PRIOR DIMENSIONS AND FOOTPRINT.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED TO WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION.
SECTION 4.2 UNDER FACADES THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RESTORE FENESTRATION OF THE MAIN BUILDING, INCLUDING RELOCATION OF FRONT DOOR AND REOPENING OF SEVEN WINDOWS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 30 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, THAT FRONT DOOR BE MOVED TO ITS PRIOR LOCATION TO THE RIGHT, THAT SECOND WINDOW FROM THE LEFT ON FRONT ELEVATION BE MOVED TO ITS PRIOR LOCATION AND THAT BOTH THE FRONT DOOR AND THE SECOND WINDOW BE CENTERED BETWEEN THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS.
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BEFORE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION.SECTION 5.7 GENERALLY PERTAINING TO WINDOWS AND DOORS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
THE THIRD RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONVERT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FROM A TWO CAR CARPORT TO A ONE CAR GARAGE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED SUFFICIENT INFORMATION, THE PROPOSED WORK DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL WINDOWS TOTAL 13 PRIOR TO UNAUTHORIZED WORK BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 30 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, THAT NEW WINDOW OPENINGS BE IN THE SAME LOCATION AND OF THE SAME DIMENSIONS AS THE PRIOR OPENINGS.
AND THAT REPLACEMENT WINDOWS BE ALL WOOD.
NO CLADDING WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION OF ONE OVER ONE.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH RESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTIONS 5.1, 5.3 AND 5.7 UNDER WINDOWS AND DOORS, THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODES SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY NON-SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS, ONE.
FRONT ELEVATION IS NOT THE ORIGINAL FRONT FACADE.
TWO ROW UH, ROOF PROFILE IS INCORRECT.
THREE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WAS A TWO CAR CARPORT RESTORED.
AND WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER HERE.
UM, MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON THERE SIR.
AND BEGIN BY GIVING US YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND SWEARING OR AFFIRMING THAT YOU WILL TELL THE TRUTH.
MY NAME IS KEVIN JARA AND MY ADDRESS IS 2351 WEST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
OKAY, GO AHEAD SIR AND TELL US, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
YOU'VE HEARD SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF STAFF AND TASK FORCE? YEAH, SO FOR THIS PROJECT THERE WAS UNAUTHORIZED WORK THAT WAS DONE.
WE INITIALLY TRIED TO GET A COA FOR THAT, UH, AND WE WERE DENIED.
SO NOW WE'RE BACK REQUESTING A COA TO SIMPLY RESTORE BOTH THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND THE DETACHED STRUCTURE TO HOW THEY WERE ORIGINALLY.
AND THAT INCLUDES, UH, REMOVING THE UNAUTHORIZED ADDITION AND RESTORING ALL WINDOW OPENINGS, HOW THEY ORIGINALLY WERE INCLUDING THE DIMENSIONS AND PLACEMENTS OF BOTH WINDOWS AND DOORS.
AND FOR REQUEST NUMBER THREE, IT SAID IT WAS A REQUEST TO CONVERT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
WE'RE GONNA JUST SIMPLY LEAVE IT AS IS AND WITH REPAIR WHERE NEEDED.
AND I'M NOT SURE THE PLANS WE HAVE HERE ARE THE LATEST.
WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO, OR WE JUST DIDN'T MAKE IT IN TIME TO SUBMIT.
SO THESE MIGHT SAY THAT WE'RE CONVERTING THE GARAGE, BUT THAT'S ALRIGHT, SIR.
WE HAD A FEW CONCERNS THAT WE PROBABLY WANNA VERIFY HOW THEY WOULD END UP COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THE UNAUTHORIZED WORK WAS, UM, WAS DONE? WERE YOU INVOLVED IN THAT OR HOW DID NO, I, I WASN'T INVOLVED.
I WAS BROUGHT IN AFTER, UH, CODE COMPLIANCE OR HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO, UM, TO RESTORE THE FRONT DOOR AND THE FRONT IN THE, THE CENTER WINDOW OF THE THREE, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE BEDROOM WINDOW OR THE BEDROOM WALL COULD JUST MOVE OVER SLIGHTLY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE, THEY'RE NECESSARILY EQUAL ROOMS, SO EQUAL ROOMS SIZES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE HOUSE, BETWEEN THE LIVING ROOM AND THE BEDROOM.
BUT, UM, DO YOU SEE THAT MOVE AS BEING AN ISSUE
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SHIFTING THE, THE WINDOW AND THE DOOR? WELL, SO IN OTHER WORDS, TO GET BACK TO WHAT IT WAS OR IN THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATION, IT LOOKS LIKE THE BEDROOM WALL HAS TO SLIDE TO TOWARD THE YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT.THAT'S JUST NOT THE LATEST SET.
OH, SORRY, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
SO THEN ON THE GARAGE, SO YOU ARE KEEPING, UM, THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT, THE EXISTING FRAME, YOU'RE JUST REPAIRING IT? YEAH.
WILL IT STILL BE SPLIT IN HALF OR IS IT A THERE'S STILL GONNA BE THE POSTS, THE EXISTING POST INSIDE DIVIDING, IT'S KIND OF DIVIDING TWO, TWO CARPORT SPOTS.
BUT WAS THAT A, WAS THAT A CARPORT OR WAS IT A GARAGE? I MEAN A GARAGE? YEAH.
SO IT'S A CAR, SO IT'S A CARPORT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, WE'RE, WE'RE PLEASED TO HEAR THAT YOU WANNA TAKE IT BACK TO HOW IT WAS BEFORE ALL OF THIS WAS DONE.
UM, BUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE DRAWINGS SHOW.
I'M NOT SURE HOW WE'RE GONNA HANDLE THAT.
UM, SO STAFF COULD BE THINKING ABOUT, WELL, THE, THE PLANS FOR THE MAIN STRUCTURE, THE, THE ONLY CHANGE TO THAT WAS BASICALLY SHIFTING THE WINDOW AND THE DOOR IN BETWEEN THE PORCH COLUMNS.
AND, BUT AS FAR AS EVERYTHING ELSE, THE, EVERY, ALL THE OTHER WINDOWS ARE, AND THE ROOF DESIGN THERE IS HOW IT WAS ORIGINALLY.
SO THE ROOF, DID YOU SAY THAT IS YEAH, I THINK WE, I SPOKE TO MS. RHONDA ABOUT THAT COMMENT AND THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A, UH, MAYBE THAT SHE MISINTERPRETED THE DESIGN, BUT IT'S, IT'S HOW IT WAS ORIGINATED.
SHE, SHE, I THINK SHE LOOKED AT THIS DESIGN AND STILL ASSUMED WE WERE TRYING TO APPROVE THE ADDITION, BUT THE ADDITION IS COMPLETELY GONE HERE.
MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE RESPONSE
UH, SO THEN JUST A LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON THE SIDE ELEVATIONS, BECAUSE IT SHOWS AS A DOUBLE PITCH DRIFT, WHICH I KNOW IT IN IT IS THAT WAY TODAY.
BUT THE ORIGINAL, UM, UH, THE ORIGINAL ROOF, THE ORIGINAL, UH, LET'S SEE, RAKE OF THE ROOF WAS COMING DOWN.
SO THERE WERE ACTUALLY TWO OF THEM, RIGHT? THERE'S, IT SHOWS UP IN THE PHOTO.
YEAH, YEAH, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO AND I'M LOOKING AT THE UPDATED PLAN SET HERE AND WE HAVE IT
SO, SO HOW WOULD THAT BE ACCOMMODATED THEN? IN OTHER WORDS, HAS THAT BEEN DEMOLISHED AND GOING TO BE REBUILT AS IT WAS BEFORE? SO TO MATCH THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT? YEAH.
SO WHERE THE, WHERE THE CURSOR IS AT RIGHT NOW, THAT'S HOW IT STANDS.
ALL THAT WILL BE REMOVED AND RESTORED TO HOW IT WAS ON THE LEFT.
ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS I HAVE A CONCERN ON, ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH NOT HAVING DIMENSION PLANS OF HOW TO, HOW TO GO BACK TO IT? THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT I WAS ASKING OUR YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BASICALLY TAKE ANY MORE OF LIKE, UH, THE, THE NOTE THAT SAYS MATCH EXISTING.
WE WANNA ACTUALLY SEE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S EXISTING AND DIMENSIONALLY CORRECT.
SO I, I THINK WE ALL PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE STRONG CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
SO WHENEVER THE OWNER FIRST CONTACTED ME ABOUT THIS PROPERTY, THE, ALL THE EXTERIOR WALLS WERE ACTUALLY STILL THERE.
SO I MEASURED THE, THE ACTUAL FROM THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.
I MEASURED THE DIMENSIONS OF THE ACTUAL MAIN BUILDING AND THOSE PROVIDED IN OUR PACKET.
SO THE PLANS, THE PLANS THAT WE HAVE IS
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MATCHING WITH WHAT I MEASURED THE DIMENSIONS.ALL THOSE DIMENSIONS THAT YOU RECORDED ARE IN THIS PACKET.
YOU SURE? DO YOU HAVE THE FLOOR PLAN? WELL, NOT.
'CAUSE THESE DON'T MATCH QUITE SO WELL.
SO YEAH, THOSE ARE WITH THE ADDITION, RIGHT? AND THE, YEAH, NOT THOSE, CAN YOU GO TO THE FLOOR PLAN? LET'S SEE.
THERE IS A FLOOR PLAN, A COUPLE UP THAT SHOWS IT.
WE HAVE FOUR ROOM HOUSE, TWO BEDROOMS, LIVING AND KITCHEN.
SO WHAT PAGE ARE WE REFERRING TO WITH THESE UH, MEASUREMENTS? THAT, THAT ONE THERE.
UM, AND WHAT'S ON HERE? SO HE WAS ASKING IF THE OVERALL DIMENSIONS OF THE MAIN BUILDING WERE ACCURATE TO BE THE SAME AS THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND HOW WE HAVE IT THERE IS THE MAIN BUILDING IS STILL, THE ENTIRE BUILDING IS STILL THE SAME DIMENSIONS AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE.
WHAT ABOUT THE MEASUREMENTS FOR THE ROOF? ROOF DIMENSIONS IS REALLY WHAT WE NEED TO SEE AS WELL.
I MEAN, HOW DO WE KNOW WHERE THAT, WHERE THAT, UH, IS GONNA BE, UH, SPRING POINTING FROM? YEAH.
UH, IF WE DON'T HAVE A ROOF PLAN DIMENSION, OUR ROOF PLAN.
SO WE DO NOT HAVE THE PLAN OF HOW IT WOULD BE, WHAT THEY WOULD BE DOING CREATING WHEN THEY TOOK IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL.
SO WHAT OUR QUESTION HERE IS STAFF CHIME IN.
ARE WE COMFORTABLE IF SOMEONE WANTED TO WITH SAYING WE APPROVED TAKING IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL? OR DO WE NEED A SUBMISSION THAT SHOWS EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD BE APPROVING? THAT I, I FEEL AS IF WE NEED AN UPDATED SUBMISSION WITH MEASURED DRAWINGS, ET CETERA.
'CAUSE I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS BECAUSE THIS JUST SHOWS US THE, THE CHANGES THAT THE, THE ROUTE THAT THE TASK FORCE DIDN'T LIKE AND RIGHT.
ARE YOU ABLE TO OPEN A SET IF I EMAIL IT TO YOU, RHONDA, LIKE EMAIL IT TO ME NOW? YEAH.
UM, USUALLY DON'T LIKE SOMETHING ON THE FLY 'CAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED.
AND TASK FORCE HASN'T SEEN IT YET.
RIGHT? I, YEAH, I THINK ONE OTHER THING THAT'S MISSING OFF THE SIDE ELEVATIONS IS THAT THERE WERE BRACKETS ORIGINALLY TO HELPING SUPPORT THE, THE, THOSE OUTSIDE RAPTORS BOTH ON THE FRONT PORCH AND ON THE SIDES.
UM, THEY'RE MISSING OFF THE ELEVATIONS THAT YOU PROVIDED IT.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ENSURE IS THAT WE DO GET THE ORIGINAL BACK.
UM, SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE DRAWINGS ARE COINCIDING WITH THE, WITH THE PHOTOS.
SO JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING 'CAUSE YOU DON'T SEEM UPSET,
SO WHATEVER, WHATEVER NOTES I GET HERE WILL IMPLEMENT THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE PLANS REFLECT THAT.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS OUR NEXT STEP? ARE WE DON'T WANNA HAVE NEW PLANS RIGHT NOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO STUDY.
SO SOMEONE NEEDS TO MAKE A MOTION REFLECTING WHAT APPEARS TO BE OUR DECISION ABOUT THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION.
REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 8 37 19 MEADOW STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS COA 25 DASH FOUR 14, THAT WE, UM, DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE
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AND, UM, AWAITING FOR THE SUBMITTAL WITH THE, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, AMENDMENTS TO THE DRAWINGS SO THAT IF THEY DO IN FACT MATCH, UH, THE ORIGINAL PHOTOGRAPHS.AND I THINK WE DO NEED A FINDING EFFECT ON THAT.
THAT THE ACTUAL PROPOSAL THAT WAS SENT IN.
NOW WHAT WE THINK OF IT WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT, UM, THERE ARE A, A NUMBER OF DETAILS THAT ARE, ARE MISSING AND WE NEED THEM TO BE ABLE TO MAKE OUR ASSESSMENT.
UM, WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE PROPOSED WORK WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE STRUCTURE? THEY'RE CLOSE, BUT I DON'T FIND THEM TOO OBJECTIONABLE
I, I, WELL WHAT, AGAIN, WHAT I'M TRYING TO ENSURE IS THAT WE DO IN FACT APPROVE, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALL SEEING TOGETHER.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T MATCH.
IF YOU'RE GONNA DO, WHICH, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO A DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE, WE DO NEED TO SAY THAT AS, AS SUBMITTED, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TODAY, IT DOES HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT.
THAT AS SUBMITTED, UM, THE, UM, PROPOSED WORK WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THAT'S WHY WE WELCOME NEW DRAWINGS THAT WOULDN'T
AND, AND OUR SECOND IS OKAY WITH THIS ADDITION OF FINDING A FACT, MR. REEDS? YES.
DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT MR. SECOND? YEAH.
UH, SO DOES THAT ALSO, I MEAN THERE, THERE WERE SOME APPROVAL, UH, THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDED, LIKE THE WINDOWS.
I THINK THAT WAS A, SO EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE DENIED DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE FOR EVERYTHING.
SO WE CAN THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
IN THAT CASE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
SO YOU DID GET A DENIAL AND OFFICIALLY YOU COULD, IF YOU WANTED, PAY A FEE TO GO TO CPC AND ASK THEM IF WE GOT IT RIGHT OR WRONG, BUT YOU ALREADY KNEW AND YOU'RE AGREEING TO DO THE DRAWING WE ASKED SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS HOUSE TO WHERE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.
AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO DO THAT.
UH, YOU DID MENTION ROOF MEASUREMENTS.
SO DO WE JUST NEED A ROOF PLAN WITH THE OVERALL DIMENSIONS OF YEAH, THEY, WELL THEY WOULD REFLECT THE ONES THAT YOU TOOK ON SITE AND, UM, I GUESS WE CAN VERIFY FROM THAT.
UH, I MEAN, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T, WE WE'RE JUST GOING FROM THE PREVIOUS PHOTOGRAPHS AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE ALSO, UH, RELYING ON THE FACT THAT YOU'VE MEASURED EXACTLY WHAT WAS THERE.
SO, UM, I MEAN, WE'RE TAKING YOUR WORD ON THAT.
UM, BUT YEAH, INCLUDING ALL THE DETAILS THAT WERE THERE BEFORE, LIKE, LIKE, UM, BRACKETS AND, UH, TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HEAD DETAILS, THE JAM DETAILS, SILL DETAILS, UM, THAT ALL OF THAT MATCHED.
UM, THE ORIGINAL IS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
ALRIGHT, THAT BRINGS US TO CI MEAN TO D NINE.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF 1 0 1 SOUTH WILLETTE AVENUE, WINNETKA HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 25 DASH 0 0 0 4 90.
REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ACCESSORY BUILDING IN THE REAR YARD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ACCESSORY BUILDING IN THE REAR YARD BE APPROVED.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87.1 11 A ONE MEETS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ACCESSORY BUILDING.
SUGGESTIONS, CONSIDER DIFFERENT STALE RA STAIR RAILING, NOT METAL, INCLUDE SPECIFICATIONS FOR GARAGE LIGHTS.
ALRIGHT, AND WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER HERE AND ANDREW SKINNER.
SO YOU'VE BEEN SITTING THERE SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
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INFORMATION.ANDREW SKINNER 1 0 1 SOUTH WILMETTE, DALLAS, TEXAS.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO BEGIN.
I, I DON'T NEED THREE MINUTES.
I DON'T, I THINK THAT, UH, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE TEAM AND EVERYTHING IS BEFORE Y'ALL, SO I'M REALLY HERE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AND PROVIDE ANYTHING THAT I CAN'T QUIT.
COMMISSIONERS, WHO'S GOING TO GO FIRST? WELL, YEAH,
OKAY, NOW EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO AT ONCE.
I DID NOTE THAT THEY WILL HAVE A, UH, A PRETTY TALL FENCE.
SO NONE OF THE RAILING WILL ACTUALLY BE SEEN FROM THE PUBLIC WAY.
I THOUGHT IT WAS DETERMINED IN THE, YOU KNOW, NO, YOU MEAN DID WE LOOK IT UP IN ORDINANCE TO SEE IF IT SAYS ANYTHING THAT A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE NOT QUITE THAT DETAILED, BUT, UH, NO, THEY'RE NOT.
THE STAFF WILL CHECK THAT OUT FOR US.
COMMISSIONER OSI? WELL THAT WAS MY QUESTION AS WELL ABOUT THE STAIR RAILING AND IF THE APPLICANT WAS WILLING TO DO A DIFFERENT DESIGN.
WE ARE STAIR WE ARE, WE'RE NOT MARRIED TO THAT STAIR RAIL AT ALL.
UM, LIKE SHE SAID, IT WON'T BE, UH, VISIBLE FROM OUTSIDE.
UM, BUT THAT WAS, I THINK JUST, JUST FILLED IN ON THE PLANS WHEN THEY WERE MADE.
UM, AND SO LOOKING FOR ANY FEEDBACK, UM, OR IF, IF, IF THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE OKAY TO THOSE WHO RAISED THE CONCERN? IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE THAT YOU WOULD REFER TO THE METAL RAIL? I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE.
UM, I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, ASKING ABOUT THE TASK FORCE, UH, RECOMMENDATION, WHAT THEY RECOMMENDED.
UM, I, I WILL SAY THIS REAL QUICKLY AFTER LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE, THE ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT FRONT ENTRANCES AND PORCHES, BUT DOES NOT MENTION SIDE OR REAR.
I HAVE A QUESTION IF WE'RE UNDERSTOOD.
UM, I WAS LOOKING AT, HAD A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN JUST OF THE, THE, UH, TYPE A WINDOWS THAT'S INCLUDED.
IS THAT FOR THE ADDITION OR IS THAT FOR THE THAT'S THE ADDITION.
I THOUGHT WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THE ACCESSORY RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE DOING THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
OH, I THOUGHT ADDITION IS NEXT.
YEAH, IT WAS BECAUSE, UM, OUR, THE DRAW, THE DRAWINGS WERE DONE ALL TOGETHER AS ONE AND I HAD TO BREAK THEM UP.
SO IF NOT METAL, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE JUST WOOD, A BLACK, WHAT IS IT USUALLY A TWO BY FOUR OR TWO BY FOUR BY SIX AND YEAH.
SO ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE BROAD MAD CHAIR? IF, IF THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T ADDRESS IT, CAN HE KEEP WHAT HE WANTS? PROBABLY DEPENDS ON HOW YOU MAKE A MOTION OR SOMEONE MAKES A MOTION.
I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU FEEL IT'S APPROPRIATE, THEN YEAH.
BUT THE USUAL ONE ALTERNATIVE TO THAT WOULD BE THE WOOD ONE, WHICH IS A CHALLENGE TO PAINT.
ADMITTEDLY, IT JUST HAD MINE PAINTED THE SPINDLE QUITE A THING.
SO THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING ABOUT THIS AIRCRAFT CABLE SEEMS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE CON.
I KNOW BECAUSE IT, YEAH, IT WASN'T AROUND WHEN THEY WROTE IT, IT'S JUST, IT'S CONTEMPORARY.
SO THEY'RE ASKING YOU, DID THE ORDINANCE SAY HAVE A METAL BAIL OR NOT? DOESN'T IT ONLY REALLY TO AND PAGE YEAH.
IS THE APPLICANT UH, OPPOSED DOING THE WOOD RATING? NO, WE'RE NOT.
UM, SO I, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL CODE REQUIRES ON GUARDRAILS.
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UM, SO, UH, AND I KNOW IT'S BEYOND OUR PURVIEW, BUT THEY'RE QUITE POSSIBLY A LOT MORE LENIENT ON THE QUANTITY OF, OF BALLISTERS REQUIRED AND OPENINGS REQUIRED.IT MAY JUST BE A CENTER RAIL AND A, AND A AND A, UH, AND A HANDRAIL.
SO, UM, THAT I THINK IS STILL A MORE APPROPRIATE SOLUTION THAN THE, THE WIRE CABLES.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN INAPPROPRIATE CONDITION TO MAKE.
WELL, I GUESS IT, WE COULD MAKE A CONTINGENT ON, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING BUILDING CODE.
UM, SO WE COULD DO IT THAT WAY.
I COULD SEE SMALL CHILDREN WOULD BE AN ISSUE WITH YEAH, BUT IT'S, BUT LIKE I SAID, IT'S, UM, RESIDENTIAL IS A LOT MORE LENIENT THAN, UH, THAN, UM, COMMERCIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THE FOUR INCH RULE AND, AND ALL OF THAT.
SO AGAIN, THAT SORT OF STANDARD APPEARANCE WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST FOR THE WHAT ANDRA FROM, FROM A MOTHERLY PERSPECTIVE, AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO PAINT IT, HIRE SOMEONE ELSE.
SO ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION.
REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 9 1 0 1 SOUTH WILLED AVENUE, ALSO KNOWN AS COA TWO FIVE DASH 4 9 0 THAT WE APPROVE FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE ADDITIONAL, WITH ONE CONDITION THAT THE, UM, GUARDRAIL ON THE STAIR BE MODIFIED TO WOOD, UM, AND THAT IT'S DESIGNED TO MEET BUILDING CODE.
AND THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER REEDS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, ALL IS IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION.
AND YOU OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THE MOTION IS CARRIED.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER TEN ONE OH ONE SOUTH WILLAMETTE AVENUE, WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CO OA 25 0 0 0 4 9 1.
REQUEST NUMBER ONE OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE FIVE ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND RELOCATE MENSTRUATION OPENINGS AND REPLACE THE SIX WOOD WINDOWS REQUEST NUMBER THREE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE PAINT COLORS BODY SW 0 0 0 5 DEEPEST MOP FOR THE BODY.
SHERWIN WILLIAMS 0 0 52 PEARL GRAY.
AND FOR THE ACCENT, SHERWIN WILLIAMS 0 0 4 2 RUSKIN ROOM GREEN.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM NUMBER ONE.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 11 3 20 25.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
A2 MEETS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE FIVE ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND RELOCATE FENESTRATION OPENINGS AND REPLACE THE SIX WOOD WINDOWS BE APPROVED.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87 1 11 A 17 MEETS THE CITY MEETS THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G 60 ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE PAINT COLORS BODY SW 0 0 0 5 DEEPEST M TRIM SW 0 0 5 2 PEARL GRAY AND ACCENT SW 0 0 4 2 RUST IN ROOM GREEN BE APPROVED.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87.1 11 A EIGHT MEETS THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SEVEN TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION BE APPROVED.
TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE FIVE ALUMINUM WINDOWS RELOCATE FENESTRATION OPENINGS AND REPLACE WITH SIX WOOD WINDOWS BE
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APPROVED.THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE PAINT COLORS BODY SW 0 0 0 5 DEEPEST MOLD TRIM SW 0 0 5 2 PEARL GRAY, AN ACCENT SW 0 0 4 2 RUSKIN ROOM GREEN BE APPROVED.
NOW, MR. SKINNER
JUST WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT THE WORK ON THIS REALLY BEAUTIFUL HOUSE? THANK YOU.
UH, GENERALLY THE SAME COMMENTS AS I HAD PREVIOUSLY, UM, WE'VE DISCUSSED THESE CHANGES WE'RE, UH, WE'VE TO SAY A LITTLE BIT MORE.
WE'VE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD A LONG TIME.
WE LOVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE LOVE THE CHARACTER OF IT.
WE'VE, UM, CONSULTED THE EXPERTS WHO'VE WORKED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'VE WORKED OUR BEST TO, UH, MAINTAIN THOSE STANDARDS.
SO, UH, HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, MR. HARRIS.
YEAH, SORRY, JUST ONE QUICK CLARIFICATION.
THE SKYLIGHT THAT I'M SEEING AND THE ELEVATION NORTH PLAN.
MY READING OF THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT SKYLIGHTS HAVE TO BE ON THE REAR INNER QUADRANT ON THE CORNER LOT.
THIS APPEARS TO BE ON 10TH STREET FACING SIDE.
I GUESS IT IS ON THE INSIDE, UH, REAR QUADRANT OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THIS IS ONLY STICKING OUT ON THE REAR INSIDE QUADRANT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE, THE ADDITION OVERHEAD, THE ADDITION, THE ADDITION IS ON THE INTERIOR OF THE YARD.
SO INSIDE TO ME WOULD SIDE, SIDE YARD FACING NOT 10TH STREET FACING THE WORDING AND ORDINANCE IS WEIRD.
TO ME, THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE IS THAT IT'S NOT VISIBLE IN ITS FACES.
10TH STREET, UH, IT'S PROPOSED SO THAT, OKAY.
IT, DEPENDING ON THE SIDE OF THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE AND WHERE YOU'RE STANDING IN THE STREET, IT MAY BE VISIBLE.
THERE WOULD ALSO BE A TREE BETWEEN, UH, THE, THE ADDITION AND THE STREET.
SO I CAN'T SAY 100% THAT IT WOULDN'T BE VISIBLE.
UH, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, MY, MY READING OF THE ORDINANCE IS THAT IT IS ON THE INSIDE QUADRANT, UM, THAT THE, THE INTERIOR DESIGNS, WHICH I KNOW WE DON'T REALLY GET INTO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT IS THE REASON THAT WE PUT IT WHERE WE PUT IT.
BUT, UH, YEAH, SO THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT'S, IT'S IN LINE WITH THE STORY.
MARCUS DO, CAN YOU LOOK UP SKYLIGHTS THERE IN WINNETKA BECAUSE THE ADDITION IS ON THE INTERIOR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY OF THE LOT.
YEAH, BUT THE, BUT THE SKYLIGHT IS FACING 10TH STREET.
BUT WILL IT BE VISIBLE AS QUESTION
IT'S NOT RIGHT ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY LINE OR FENCE LINE.
I THINK YOU READ THAT CORRECTLY THAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE INTERIOR QUADRANT.
UM, HOWEVER, YOU, YOU CAN USE YOUR OWN, UM, UH, I MEAN, YOU, YOU CAN MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE PROMINENT AND NOTICEABLE OR NOT.
UM, YEAH, IT WOULD BE AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE AND YOU WOULD JUST NEED TO A FINDING A FACT.
I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM ONE THING WITH THE APPLICANT.
UM, ON THE ROOF PLAN, IT'S LABELED AS 30 INCHES BY 30 INCHES.
SOMETIMES WE PUT THREE ZERO AND MEAN THREE FEET ZERO.
IT'S CHRIS ONLINE, MAYBE THE, UH, THE SKY.
I I THINK WE'RE GOING 30 INCHES BY 30 INCHES, NOT 30 FEET BY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE STYLE OF THE BATHTUB? IT'S OVER A, A ESSENTIALLY A BATHING ROOM.
YEAH, THE BATHTUB AND THE SHOWER.
AND IT'S, IT'S OVER THAT, YES.
FIND THE BATHTUB, UM, SPEC SPECIFICALLY.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN USE IF YOU WANT, UM, UNDER SKYLIGHTS AND PANELS, PARAGRAPH B ROMAN AT TWO.
THE COMMISSION MAY ALLOW SKYLIGHTS AND SOLAR PANELS AT ANOTHER LOCATION ON A BUILDING IF THEIR PLACEMENT DOES NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON
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THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING BLOCK PLACE OR DISTRICT AT THE WHOLE.SO NOW WE KNOW, I I JUST WANNA ASK, UM, ANDREW, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS EARLIER ASKED ME THE, DOES ONE OF THE CHIMNEYS GO TO AN OLD, UH, WATER EVENT? I BELIEVE THEY ASK.
IT DOESN'T GO TO AN OLD WATER HEATER.
SO INTERIOR, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN WALLED OVER.
UH, AND THEN BEEN DRILLED INTO TO VENT A WATER HEATER.
IS THAT THE ONE THAT'S NOTHING TO BE REMOVED? YES, IT IS.
I BELIEVE RENO COMMISSIONER, DID YOU ASK ME THAT? YEAH, ONE OF YOU ASKED EARLIER ABOUT THAT.
I, I KNOW WE, THIS WAS ON A, UH, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER, UH, HOME THAT WE REVIEWED A FEW YEARS BACK.
AND WE, AT THE TIME WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SMALL CHIMNEYS LIKE THAT BEING, UM, CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS BECAUSE THEY WERE OFF OF, UM, YOU KNOW, EQUIPMENT INTERIOR TO THE HOME.
YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S STILL, UM, USABLE OR NOT.
SO I, IN FACT, I THINK IN THAT INSTANCE WE SAID IT WAS OKAY TO REMOVE IT.
UM, SO I'M GONNA LEAVE IT UP TO
I, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF KEEPING IT IF, IF IT'S STRUCTURALLY FINE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, UH, IF THERE'S BEEN DAMAGE TO IT WHERE YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO FALL OR IF, UH, UH, AN ENGINEER OR THE CONTRACTOR HAS MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS THING IS ABOUT TO FALL OVER, THEN I WOULD RECOMMEND REPAIRING IT.
BUT, UH, I WOULD KEEP IT IF YOU CAN.
WHAT IS THE CONDITION OF IT? REALLY UNCLEAR AT THIS TIME.
LIKE I SAID, THERE IS A, A SMALL HOLE CUT IN A WALL WHERE, UH, A POST FACTO, UH, WATER HEATER WAS VENTING THROUGH IT.
UH, AND OTHER THAN THAT, ALL WE CAN SEE IS, I MEAN, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CONDITION OF IT IS INSIDE THE HOME.
UM, YEAH, WE, I MEAN WE, WE DID A LOT OF VARIATIONS TO TRY AND PRESERVE IT AND, UH, WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE AND JUST KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANY MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, REGARDING CO A TWO FILE 4 9 1 1 0 1 SOUTH
WHO WAS THE SECOND COMMISSIONER? RENO.
ALRIGHT, ANY, ANY DISCUSSION COMMENT? ALRIGHT THEN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? JUST, UH, I WAS JUST FOR CLARIFICATION FOR THE APPLICANT AND IF CHRIS IS ONLINE, I KNOW WE SPOKE ABOUT THE RAILING ON THE ACCESSORY BUILDING.
THEY HAVE MATCHING RAILING ON THE ADDITION.
SO ARE WE ALLOWING IT ON THE ADDITION? I, I JUST WANTED, BECAUSE WHEN THEY DO THE REVISIONS FOR THE OTHER ONE, HE'S GONNA WANNA ASK ME IF HE, WE HAVE TO CHANGE IT.
WE WILL BE DOING THE SAME STEERING RAILING ON BOTH.
SO WHICH DO YOU ONE IS QUALIFIED.
WE WILL BE, I WAS ABOUT TO SAY, I STRONGLY SUSPECT THE APPLICANTS ARE GONNA WANT 'EM TO MATCH WHATEVER THEY'RE
SO THAT'S WHY NOBODY MENTIONED IT AS A CONDITION HERE.
AND I WANTED TO, I WOULD PROPOSE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT VOTED AND THEY ALREADY GONNA DO THAT.
UM, JUST REST ASSURED THAT WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE, UH, THE HOMEOWNER TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE MATCHED.
WELL I HOPE YOU LOVE YOUR NEW, UM, EXTENSIVE FACTORY DEPOSIT AREA.
OKAY, I THINK THAT FINISHES UP ALL THE ONES FOR WHICH WE HAVE SPEAKERS.
WE NOW GO BACK TO DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER TWO.
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PARDON? MM-HMMTHERE'S, WE JUST HAVE TWO, THREE, AND FOUR LEFT.
AND I GO, SO DISCUSSION ITEM TWO.
SORRY, I'M TAKING NOTES THERE.
WELL, WE WANT YOU TO TAKE NOTES AND THANK AND FACE THE COMPUTERS ALL AT ONCE.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER TWO, 700 HUNTLEY STREET, JUNIORS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CO A 2 5 0 0 0 3 4 9.
REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL STONE RETAINING WALL TO FRONT OF WALKWAY TO PREVENT EROSION ON SIDEWALK.
REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW PLANTINGS IN EXISTING FLOWER BEDS IN FRONT YARD REQUEST NUMBER THREE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A NEW FLOWER BED WITH A TRELLIS ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
A CATE, EXCUSE ME, REQUEST NUMBER FOUR, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A NEW NATURAL STONE WALKWAY ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE FROM A NEW FLOWER BED TO A REAR YARD.
I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA SNEEZE, SO TRYING TO BREAK YOUR NOSE
STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR NUMBER ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A NEW STONE RETAINING WALL TO FRONT OF WALK FROM FRONT OF WALKWAY TO PREVENT, UH, EROSION ON SIDEWALK BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE DESIGN IS NOT APPROPRIATE AND WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR REQUEST NUMBER TWO THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW PLANTINGS IN EXISTING FLOWER BEDS IN THE FRONT YARD BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS OF SPECIFICATIONS DATED 11 3 20 25.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.5 B MEETS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTED STRUCTURES AND SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION FOR REQUEST NUMBER THREE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A NEW FLOWER BED WITH THE TRELLIS ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE TRELLIS AND PLANTS DO NOT OBSCURE THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.5 B MEETS THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTINGS.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR REQUEST NUMBER FOUR THAT THE REQUEST OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A NEW NATURAL STONE WALKWAY ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE FROM NEW FLOWER BACTERIA YARD BE APPROVED TO PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.5 B MEETS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL STONE RETAINING WALL WITH FLOWER BEDS AND BOULDERS IN FRONT WALKWAY TO PREVENT EROSION ONTO SIDEWALK BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW PLANTINGS AND EXISTING FLOWER BEDS IN FRONT YARD BE APPROVED.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS, UH, APPROPRIATENESS INSTALL NEW FLOWERBED WITH TRELLIS ON SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE HOME.
THAT A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW NATURAL STONE WALKWAY ON SOUTH SIDE, SOUTHEAST SIDE OF MAIN STRUCTURE FROM NEW FLOWERBED TO REAR YARD.
ALRIGHT, THERE IS NO SPEAKER FOR THIS ONE.
SO, UH, EITHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR SOMEONE WISHING TO EVENTUALLY REMOVE.
UM, SO ON THE TRELLIS, I DIDN'T NOTICE ANY DRAWINGS SCHEDULED.
THERE WASN'T, THERE WAS JUST, I TOLD THEM TO COME BACK THAT IF IT GETS APPROVED, IT'S ONE OF THOSE WHERE WE'LL STAMP THE REVISION.
THAT'S WHY I PUT A CONDITION THAT IT HAS TO BE AT THE SIZE IT'S NOT GONNA OBSCURE THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES.
AGAIN, HE WAS SUPPOSED TO COME BACK WITH THE REVISIONS.
THAT'S WHY I WROTE IT THAT WAY.
SO THAT I CAN DO, YOU KNOW, I'LL STAMP THE REVISED PLANTS WHEN THEY MEET THAT.
UM, TRELLIS IS GENERALLY VERTICAL.
SO THAT MEANS IT'S ATTACHED, IT'S SUPPORTED.
WELL, IT CAN BE SELF-SUPPORTING, WHICH MIGHT HELP, BUT NOT IT'S FOR MINI CLIMBING ROSES.
THEY, THEY STATED THAT, SO THEY SAID IT WAS JUST GONNA LEAN ONTO,
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YOU KNOW, YES.A LITTLE, LITTLE FEET PUT OUT IN THE YES.
UM, NOT ACTUALLY BOLTED OR ATTACHED, BUT IF YOU WANT A CONDITION THAT IT'S NOT ATTACHED OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT AGAIN, WE'LL OKAY.
ENSURE WHEN THEY COME BACK, I DO KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT WAS ILL FOR SEVERAL WEEKS.
UM, THEY, THEY DID EMAIL AND TOLD ME I DON'T HAVE THE REVISIONS, I'VE BEEN ILL.
AND THEN ON THE, ON THE STONE WALL THAT'S BEING DENIED.
NOT THE WALKWAY, THE, THE RETAINING WALL.
UM, SO IF THAT'S DENIED, I WAS ALSO LOOKING IN THE PLAN.
THERE ARE BOULDERS PROPOSED, ALL OF THAT PART.
SO WELL, SO THEN THERE WERE PLANTING MATERIALS THAT ARE SET TO BE, UH, ONLY IN THE FRONT SHADING FLOWER BEDS.
ONLY IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
THE EXISTING FLOWER BEDS ARE WHERE THE NEW PLANTINGS.
AND THEN THE NEW SOUTHEAST FLOWER BEDS, WE DID NOT EVEN SPECIFY THAT FLOWER BED DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
WELL, 'CAUSE WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO WAS TO GET A CONDITION IN THERE THAT WOULD SAY THAT THE PLANTING WOULD BASICALLY SOLVE THE EROSION PROBLEM SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THE MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, SO YOU GET AN APPROVAL SLASH DENIAL.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD WRITE THAT.
I'M GONNA TRY WHEN WE'RE DONE.
THAT'S GONNA TAKE ME A LITTLE WHILE.
BUT COMMISSIONER RENO TO, TO, I THINK MAYBE TO SPEAK TO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IS IF YOU ARE LEANING MORE TOWARDS FIXTURE EROSION WITH PLANTINGS RATHER THAN WALLS, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO WITH THE ROUTINE LEVEL AT THAT LEVEL.
ACE AND JASMINE LO, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, SO, UM, SO COMMISSIONER, UM, ANDERSON COULD PUT IN HIS CONDITIONS THAT IT WOULD DO JUST WHAT WE SAID.
WELL, IT CAN'T REALLY MAKE A CONDITION, WE JUST DON'T APPROVE OF THE WALL AND STRONGLY REC FOR THE REASON WE DON'T APPROVE OF THE WALL.
THAT IT'S NOT, IT HAS DOESN'T ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE, UM, I WOULD DISTRICT THAT DISTRICT, UH, WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THAT YOU WORK WITH STAFF TO PLANT X, X AND Y AND THEY WERE TOLD THIS AT TASK FORCE AS WELL.
TO PUT GROUND COVERING THAT, THAT MIGHT BE A POSSIBLE SOLUTION.
OR EVEN THE SMALLER WALL DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
NOT WE HAD, WE HAD NOT THAT Y'ALL HAVE A FOR THAT ELSEWHERE, LIKE JUST INSTEAD OF LIKE A WALL, IT WAS MORE LIKE AN EDGING.
BUT, UM, BUT WE COULD WORK WITH THEM.
BUT, BUT HERE TODAY, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE NOT FOR THIS WALL WITH THESE BOULDERS THE WAY, IT'S THE WAY IT IS, WE RECOMMEND DENIAL WITHOUT COOL CHAIR.
WE'LL FIRST I HAVE A QUESTION FOR JIM.
OH, MY GRANDMOTHER HAD ONE OF THOSE ROLLING STEEL IN FRONT OF HER HOUSE AND SHE HAD FLOWER BEDS ON EITHER SIDE IN LIGHT VIEW.
WELL, FLOWER BEDS ARE, CAN BE TYPICAL AT ROLL STEPS, BUT THE CONCERN I BROUGHT UP IS THE BOULDERS ARE NOT CORRECT.
AND ALSO JAPANESE MAPLES ARE A SMALL TREE, SO THEY COULD PLANT BEDDING PLANTS OR SMALL SHRUBS OR GROUND COVER IN THOSE LITTLE THINGS, BUT NOT BOULDERS AND TREES WOULD BE MY, MY GRANDMOTHER SPEND IN SAND OUT AT THE BOTTOM TIME ON BECAUSE SHE HAD ENORMOUS SYCAMORES THAT MADE NONE.
AND I WAS JUST GONNA RECOMMEND IN THE MOTION THAT WE MAYBE COULD SPECIFY THE SIZE OF THE TRIAL SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
THE QUESTION I HAVE IS I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF SPLIT THE BABY.
I'D LIKE TO APPROVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR SOME AND THEN CHANGES TO SOME, SO CAN I JUST SAY STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM ONE AND THEN ADVANCE, GO AND SAY ITEM ONE, FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OR YES.
AND THEN I CAN SWITCH NUMBER TWO OR THREE.
I'D GO TO FOLLOW OR NOT STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
I'LL, I'LL SEE IF THIS GOES, IT'S KIND OF COMPLICATED BECAUSE THERE'S LOTS OF MOVING PARTS.
SO BEAR WITH ME ON KCA 25 DASH 0 0 3 4 9 7 9 7 9 HUNTLEY STREET IN JUNIOR HEIGHT.
HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMEND FOLLOWING STANFORD RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM NUMBER ONE WITH A NOTE THAT INSTEAD OF THE RETAINING WALL PLANT SHEA TOLERANT BROWN COVERS SUCH AS ASIAN JASMINE OR LAUREN.
ITEM NUMBER TWO, UH, RECOMMEND DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
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UH, THE STONE, BOULDER AND JAPANESE MAPLE ARE TOO OF THE DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE STONE BORDER AND THAT THE JAPANESE MAPLES ARE TOO TALL.THAT THIS LANDSCAPE, THAT'S STILL ALL PART OF NUMBER ONE.
ITEM NUMBER TWO IS ACTUALLY PLANTINGS JUST IN THE FRONT EXISTING.
OH, SO ITEM NUMBER ONE IS THAT'S THE, UM, EVERYTHING WITH THE BOULDERS AND THAT RETAINING WALL.
THEN, THEN I WILL JUST ADD, UM, AFTER I SAY ASIAN JASMINE, THE IP DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE, THE STONE BOULDERS AND JAPANESE MAPLES THAT ARE TOO TALL FOR THIS LANDSCAPE AREA.
AND THEN, UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO IS OTHER NEW PLANTINGS THAT ARE, THEY'RE JUST PUTTING NEW PLANTS INSIDE THE EXISTING FLOWER BED AT THE FRONT OF THE PORCH.
UM, UH, FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO, ITEM NUMBER THREE, THAT'S THE TRELLIS IS FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND ASKING THAT THEY SUBMIT THE TRELLIS TO STAFF.
UH, MAKE THAT A CONDITION WITH SO APPROVE THAT'S A CONDITION.
AND ITEM NUMBER FOUR OF FOLLOWING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UM, FOR THE, THE, THE STONE WALK WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE WALK WOULD BE REDUCED TO FOUR FEET WIDE WITH A CURVED TRANSITION FROM THE CONCRETE SLAB.
THERE MAY BE A BETTER WAY TO SAY THAT, BUT I'M ASKING THAT IT GO FROM THE CONCRETE SLAB AND THE KIND OF ARCH OUT IS, IS CURVED THE RIGHT WORD OR SO BEGIN FROM WHAT LOOKS LIKE THREE FEET OF THAT CONCRETE AND CURVE OUT TO FOUR FEET? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH.
SO YOU COULD DO A FOUR FOOT WALK AND WHEN THE FOUR FOOT WALK HITS INTO THE CONCRETE SLAB, THERE WOULD BE A CURVE TRANSITION.
I GOT OKAY, BUT NO WIDER THAN FOUR FEET WIDE.
AND THEN WITH A CURB TRANSITION FROM THE CONCRETE SLAB, DO THEY WANNA GO FROM THE SLAB TO THE WALK AND IT HAS BE RIGHT.
NO, IT, IT'S AS IF YOU'RE TAKING A FOUR FOOT WALK AND WHEN IT GETS TO THE CONCRETE SLAB THAT'S EXISTING, INSTEAD OF HAVING A RIGHT ANGLE, YOU WOULD HAVE A, A, A CURVE, A GRADUAL TRANSITION BETWEEN LIKE YOUR, LIKE YOUR GRANDMOTHER'S GARDEN AT THE END OF THE YEAH, EXACTLY.
HE'S, YES, HE'S SAYING TO COVER THAT UP.
WHEN YOU HAVE A WALK TO YOUR FRONT PORCH STEPS, INSTEAD OF THEM HITTING THE STEPS DIRECTLY, IT WHOOPS OUT.
WE LIKE THE WORD THE KIND OF ARCHES OUT
SO IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME THING.
WE WANNA WALK, WE CAN ASK FOR A REVISED DRAWING SHOWING THAT.
BUT WHEN A WALK HITS THE STAIRS, THEY KIND OF ARCH OUT.
'CAUSE THAT SLAB IS, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND IS COMMISSIONER REEVES.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
THEY DO HAVE THAT DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
YOU WILL ADVISE THEM ABOUT CPC, BUT ALSO ABOUT HOW CPC WILL JUDGE IT AND SEE WHAT THEY WANNA GO AND MAKE SURE YOU TELL 'EM ABOUT OR SUGGESTION ABOUT GROUND COVER.
MADAM CHAIR, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION AND SOMETHING LIKE THIS BIG BOX, WHY WOULD WE NOT JUST DENY IT? WE TRY NOT TO DO ANY DENYING WITHOUT PREJUDICE BECAUSE WITH PREJUDICE THEY'VE DONE IT.
WITH, WITH PREJUDICE, BECAUSE THEY MIGHT COME BACK TO SOME TINY LOCK SOMETHING I, YOU KNOW, IT JUST MAKES, THEY CAN'T COME BACK AT ALL WITH ANY PART OF IT.
SO WE LEAVE IT OPEN TO COME BACK.
BUT I THINK WE FAIRLY WELL MADE IT CLEAR DON'T COME BACK WITH ROCKS BECAUSE IT STILL WON'T WORK.
NOW WE CAN GO WITH DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER THREE.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER OH, CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 3 56 0 2 REGER AVE.
JUNIOR HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CO OA 2 5 0 0 0 3 5 4.
REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ENCLOSED THE SOUTHWEST SIDE PORCH FACING BEACON STREET.
RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ENCLOSE THE SOUTHWEST SIDE PORCH
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FACING BEACON STREET BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT PORCHES ON PROTECTED FACADES MAY NOT BE ENC INCLUDE PER ENCLOSED FOR THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA AND WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THAT PROPOSED WORK IS THEREFORE INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION SEVEN, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN, I ARE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
BUT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO ENCLOSE THE SOUTHWEST SIDE PORCH FACING BEACON STREET BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, SUGGEST TRIMMING SHRUBS TO PROVIDE VISIBILITY TO THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES FOR SECTION 3.5 B.
SO ANYONE POSSIBLY HAVE ANY LINGERING QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ONE? OR ARE WE READY TO GO TOWARDS A MOTION? BUT THAT'S IT.
YOU MIGHT EVEN AFTER DISCUSSION, UM, AT BRIEFING THIS MORNING, UM, YOU COULD ADD TO THE FINDINGS OF FACT THAT, THAT YOU DO BELIEVE THAT TRIMMING, THE TRIMMING THE BUSHES WOULD HAVE A BETTER EFFECT PLUS, UM, E EXACTLY WHAT TASK FORCE SAID UNDER SECTION 3.5 B.
THEY SHOULDN'T BE THAT CALL TO BEGIN WITH.
ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE MOTION? I KNOW IT WASN'T AROUND FOR THE CONVERSATION THIS MORNING.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I HAD ON MY MIND REGARDING THE PORCH.
IT WASN'T, UH, ORIGINAL TO THE HOME, UM, BECAUSE OF THE DETAILS THAT ARE ON IT, IT WAS LIKELY A PRAIRIE STYLE HOME TO BEGIN WITH AND THEN CONVERT IT INTO SOMETHING ELSE.
UM, JEFFERSONIAN BECAUSE OF THE PALLADIAN FRONT DOOR, UM, THE FRENCH DOOR ON THE SIDE THAT'S BEEN, UM, UH, VANDALIZED, UH, WAS NOT APPROPRIATE EITHER.
NEITHER WAS THE, THE WINDOW ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CHIMNEY.
UH, IT'S DETAILING IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE WINDOWS THAT ARE ON THE FRONT OF THE HOME.
THE COLUMNS, UM, WERE NOT ORIGINAL EITHER.
THEY ARE, UM, CARVED AND, UM, WERE LIKELY NOT OF THAT PERIOD.
UM, AND THE FACT THAT THE WHOLE PORCH IS BOXED RATHER THAN, UM, AND A HIP COMPARED TO GABLES ON THE REST OF THE HOME.
UM, AND THE PORCH FOUNDATION IS A DIFFERENT BRICK THAN WHAT THE ORIGINAL, UM, FOUNDATION IS.
IT'S UM, THIS ONE IS, UH, WIRE CUT RATHER THAN, THAN SMOOTH CUT.
UM, THE OTHER COMPONENT OF IT WAS TO, IN MY MIND, SCREENING IN A PORCH IS NOT ENCLOSING A PORCH.
IT'S, UH, IT'S ONLY PROVIDING A, YOU KNOW, A VEIL EFFECTIVELY.
UM, NOW WHETHER OR NOT THE A SCREEN WOULD IN FACT, UH, UH, DETER, UH, YOU KNOW, ANY VANDAL ANY FURTHER VANDALIZATION IS, IS QUESTIONABLE.
I'M, I'M ON THE FENCE ABOUT THIS ONE.
I, I, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CONVERSATION EARLIER THIS MORNING WAS THE EXACT OPPOSITE.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO OFFER THOSE, THOSE, UH, ADDITIONAL OBSERVATIONS.
THE OTHER THING TOO WAS TO ACCOMMODATE A SCREEN PORCH, IT WOULD LIKELY, UH, BE A LOT SIMPLER IF THERE WERE SQUARE COLUMNS RATHER THAN ROUND ONES.
AND LIKE I SAID, THERE'S NO PRECEDENT ON THE HOUSE FOR, UH, FOR ROUND ONES LIKE THESE, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE TWO ON THE, ON THE FRONT PORCH THAT WAS AGAIN, ADDED LATER.
UM, BUT YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THOSE COMMENTS FOR, UH, FOR EVERYONE'S, UH, UH, GENERAL KNOWLEDGE.
CHRISTINE, DID THEY USE THAT DOOR AND THE STEPS TO, TO, TO A DRIVEWAY OR SOMETHING? I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY, IF THEY USE IT OR NOT.
UM, IT ACTUALLY FACES THE SIDE STREET, NOT THE DRIVEWAY.
YEAH, THE, THE DRIVEWAY IS, IT'S ON A CORNER ON THE OTHER SIDE.
UM, THEY DIDN'T COME TO TASK FORCE THIS TIME AND THEY'RE NOT HERE NOW, SO I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S EVEN A USED SPACE OR NOT.
UM, I KNOW THAT THERE IS A, IT IS A BUSY ROAD AND THAT THERE, THAT IS AN APARTMENT BUILDING I BELIEVE, OR MULTIFAMILY UNIT.
I THINK IT'S APARTMENT, SO RIGHT.
SO THERE MUST BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC FROM THERE.
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I MEAN, IS THERE SOME REASON THEY'D SPECIFICALLY WANT A DOOR THERE AND NOT PUT THE WINDOW BACK? I DON'T KNOW, UH, IF IT'S COST OR WHAT THEY'VE, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THEY'VE COME TO ENCLOSE THE SCREEN DOOR AND PUT A DOOR THERE.SO THEY WOULD STILL WANT TO BE USING THAT ENTRYWAY I GUESS, BECAUSE ON THE DRAWINGS FOR SCREENING OR ENCLOSING, THERE IS A DOOR THAT THEY WANNA PUT IN, SO THEY WILL BE FRAMING FOR A DOOR.
SO THEY MUST STILL WANT TO USE IT SOME OUT SOMEWHERE.
I'M NOT SURE IF THEY PARK RIGHT THERE OR NOT.
BUT BEING THAT THEY'RE NOT WANTING TO ENCLOSE IT COMPLETELY, THERE WILL STILL BE A DOOR THERE
SO THAT'S WHY I DON'T KNOW THAT A SCREEN DOOR WOULD MUCH, WOULD STOP ANYONE MORE THAN THE OTHER DOOR.
BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT A PORCH WHERE THEY'VE GOT FURNITURE.
WELL, NOT UNTIL YOU SCREEN IT IN, MODIFY IT AND RIGHT.
AND IT GETS COMFY TO USE IT THAT WAY.
SO FAR THEY'VE JUST ONLY COME BECAUSE OF SAFETY REASONS.
THEY'VE NOT SAID WE'D LIKE AN ADDITIONAL LIVING SPACE.
IT'S JUST FOR THE SAFETY REASONS.
AND PREVIOUSLY THEY WERE ALSO TOLD MAYBE TRIM DOWN THE SHRUBS SO THAT NO ONE, YOU KNOW, CAN HIDE
A COUPLE OF COMMENTS IF WE'RE, I, WE FINISH WITH THIS.
YEAH, I, AS WE SPOKE THIS MORNING, I STILL HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS.
AND SOMETHING AS WHAT YOU'RE ADDRESSING AS WELL, CHRISTINE, IS THAT, UH, THE, UM, IT DOESN'T REALLY EITHER WAY IS NOT REALLY ADDRESSING THE SECURE PROBLEM OTHER THAN I'M IN THE CAMP THAT THE MORE YOU DAYLIGHT, THE MORE YOU EXPOSE, THE MORE CRIME DOESN'T GO INTO THOSE AREAS.
I'VE SEEN THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN WITH PROJECTS.
I'VE WORKED WITH THE CITY AND COUNTIES ACROSS THE STATE OF, UH, OLDER BUILDINGS THAT ARE NOT SECURE BECAUSE OF OVERGROWN, UH, TREES AND BUSHES AND, UM, AND JUST THE IGNORANCE OF IT.
AND YOU PROVIDE THEM SAFE HAVENS TO BE ABLE TO GET INTO THOSE AREAS AND WORK, UH, AND, UH, TO GET INTO THE BUILDINGS IN AND OUT, UH, AND NOT BE SEEN.
UH, SO THE MORE YOU EXPOSE THOSE AREAS, THE MORE I BELIEVE CRIME GOES AWAY.
UM, I ALSO HAVE ALSO CONCERNS ON, I, THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON WITH THIS, THIS, UH, PORCH WITH THE ROOF AND UH, AND ALL OF THAT.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT, UH, ORIGINAL, BUT I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS OF THAT.
IF, IF YOU DO ALLOW, IT'S LIKE PUTTING LIPSTICK ON A PIG, YOU KNOW, YOU GO AHEAD AND JUST KEEP GOING ONE DIRECTION INSTEAD OF GOING THE OTHER DIRECTION OF TRYING TO, UH, DO THAT.
AND SO IT WOULD STAND OUT EVEN MORE.
AND IF THE ADDITION, THAT'S THE ADDITION THAT IS NOT CORRECT, OR IT'S NOT ORIGINAL, I SHOULD SAY, WOULD STAND OUT EVEN MORE IF WE ALLOWED THAT.
SO I HAVE BOTH CONCERNS OF ALLOWING THAT, UH, SCREENED, IMPORT, AND ALSO HAVE CONCERNS, UM, THAT IF WE DON'T RE WE REDUCE THE BUSHES AND STUFF AND, AND TRY TO EXPOSE IT.
THE, THE CRIME, I MEAN, CRIME'S GONNA HIT YOU REGARDLESS.
SOMETIMES IT'S JUST PERCENTAGE, WELL, YOU'RE WORKING PERCENTAGE WISES AND I THINK THE PERCENTAGES ARE MORE IN FAVOR IF YOU EXPOSE IT AND NOT JUST KEEP IT HIDDEN.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION? I WANNA SAY SOMETHING IN ADDITION.
UM, I, IN THE BRIEF HANG, I ALSO MENTIONED THAT THE, THE DOOR IS PROBABLY KIND OF FRAGILE WITH THAT KIND OF GLASS THEY HAVE IN IT.
AND THEY COULD EITHER CHANGE THE GLASS IN THE EXISTING DOOR, BUT I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND A PER STYLE DOOR WITH THE TALL NARROW PANES THAT COULD ALSO BE, YOU KNOW, UNBREAKABLE GLASS.
I FEEL THAT THE DOOR IS KIND OF A PROBLEM AND A, A BETTER DOOR WITH LESS GLASS WOULD ALSO DETER CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA ADD THAT TO THE MOTION OR JUST HAVE A COMMENT OR, I JUST THINK THAT THE DOOR IS, IS PROBLEMATIC IN A COUPLE OF WAYS.
I JUST WANNA, I JUST WANNA PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.
I APPRECIATE ALL THE FEEDBACK BECAUSE I WILL, EVEN IF I, TO GO BACK AND LISTEN, I WILL REITERATE IT TO THE APPLICANT, UM, WHEN THE CA IS SENT OUT SO THAT THEY HAVE AS MUCH KNOWLEDGE AND OPTION
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IF AS THEY COULD POSSIBLYANYBODY AT HOME WANNA MAKE A MOTION? ANYBODY HERE LET'S NAP WOULD BE NICE, BUT LET US ALL
IT, IT OBVIOUSLY ISN'T A PART OF THEIR, THEIR HOUSE THAT THEY USE.
THERE'D BE FURNITURE OUT THERE.
I HAD A HOUSE ON THE CORNER OF FOUR LANE STREET AND I HAD HUGE SHRUBS TO CUT DOWN THE NOISE.
SO I, I APPRECIATE THE, AND I ALSO COULDN'T HAVE A GOOD FENCE IF I WAS NOT IN THIS WORK DISTANCE.
WE DON'T KNOW, THEY DON'T USE IT.
MAYBE THAT'S WHERE THE KID PLAY WITH JACKS LITTLE CARD OR SOMETHING AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S NOTHING IN THE WAY OR THEY JUST USE IT TO GET IT GOING AND OUT.
I GUESS ABOUT, WELL MORE ABOUT LOOKS WITH DUE CONSIDERATION FOR WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS PROTECT ITSELF FOR THE FINE.
I WANTED TO MAKE ONE MORE OBSERVATION.
THE FACT THAT IT EXISTS AS A PORCH MEANS THAT WHETHER THIS USE, WHETHER THIS OWNER OR A FUTURE OWNER WOULD NOT USE A PORCH IS, UM, IT'S UNDENIABLE THAT IT, THAT IT NEEDS TO BE THAT.
SO THEN TO MAKE IT, UM, FUNCTIONAL AND APPROPRIATE, THEN, UM, IT SEEMS IN MY MIND THAT THE SOLUTION IS TO, TO MAKE IT APPROPRIATE.
ANY DETAILS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER TO ENCLOSE IT OR I MEAN NOT ENCLOSE IT TO SCREEN IT OR NOT, UM, THEN BECOMES THE, THE ISSUE.
SO EVEN IF WE WERE, OR RATHER, ONE PATH WOULD BE TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE TO HAVE A, UH, IN FACT THAT A DESIGN, YOU KNOW, UM, WHETHER IT'S SCREENS, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE PROPOSAL ACTUALLY SHOWN YES, THERE IS A DESIGN.
UM, BUT, BUT EVEN WELL YEAH, BUT I DON'T, SO THEN IF YOU GO, IF YOU GO ON THAT, DO YOU NEED TO ASK, IS THE DESIGN NEEDS THE DETAILS APPROPRIATE? I DON'T APPROPRIATE, I GUESS THEN, UM, IT'S ON THE LAST PAGE OF THE DOCKET.
IF, IF YOU'RE GOING THAT ROUTE, THEN WOULD YOU WOULD ASK YOURSELF, WOULD THIS DESIGN BE APPROPRIATE A A ASIDE FROM ANY SAFETY ISSUES IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT ISSUE ON ANOTHER HOUSE FOR THIS HOUSE OR ANOTHER HOUSE.
WOULD THIS BE AN APPROPRIATE DESIGN RIGHT.
FOR THE DISTRICT? AND WHAT YOU'RE MOSTLY CONCERNED ABOUT IS IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THEY FIGURED OUT HOW TO ATTACH THE SCREEN TO ALLOW COLUMN.
YEAH, THAT'S WHY I LOOKS ATTACH TO THE OUTLINE OF THE COLUMN BASE, WHICH DOESN'T WORK.
SO THEN IF PERHAPS YOU CAN DENY W WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE COMMENTS OF WHY THAT PARTICULAR DESIGN IS INAPPROPRIATE AND SUGGEST THE CORRECT, UM, DESIGN.
IF IT'S ONLY LIKE ONE OR TWO THINGS, Y YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF TOUCHING ON IS IT SAFE OR IS IT NOT SAFE, MR. REEVES, OR DID YOU WANNA FIND, WELL I THINK IT'S CURIOUS THERE, THERE'S A DRIVEWAY, BUT IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT USED BECAUSE IT'S GOT ALL OF THE GARBAGE CANS IN FRONT OF WHAT APPEARS LIKE HOW YOU WOULD DRIVE TO THE BACK.
SO THAT MAY BE THE DUAL TO HOW THEY GET TO THEIR CARS.
YEAH, WE, LIKE I SAID, WE, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT THEY DO ON THE PORCH.
IT IS A PORCH AND IT MUST LOOK LIKE AN APPROPRIATE PORCH.
AND IT IS A BURGLARY HAZARD, UH, AS IT IS DEFINED THAT.
THIS IS NUMBER THREE, RIGHT? YES.
UM, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, 5 6 0 2 REGER AVENUE, ALSO KNOWN AS COA DASH TWO FIVE DASH UH, 3 5 4 THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH, WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE ES AND PROTECTED FACADES MAY NOT, UH, BE ENCLOSED PER UH, PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
UM, JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE COMMENT ON THE, UH, ENCLOSED.
UM, I STILL THINK IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S AN OPEN, UM, THE FACT THAT IT'S SCREENED, SCREENED DOESN'T IN MY MIND MAKE IT ENCLOSED.
IT'S NOT GLAZED, IT'S NOT, UM, WALLED,
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IT'S SCREENED.SO, UH, ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST ONE CA NOT A CAVEAT EVEN, IT'S JUST AN OBSERVATION.
SO THE SECOND IT'S DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
PEOPLE HOME HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WENT ON, WHAT, WHAT JIM SAID ABOUT THE, UH, THE DOOR BEING MADE MORE SECURE WITH THE, THE LIGHTS HE'S BE BE SUGGESTING CHANGING THE STYLE OF DOOR.
WE, WE CAN GIVE THEM ABOUT IT.
I DON'T THINK IT, YEAH, IT'S, SINCE IT'S NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN, UH, MAKE ANY RULING ABOUT THE DOOR AND MAKE THEM CHANGE IT.
BUT WE CAN GIVE THEM SOME ADVICE.
BECAUSE OF, OF AN UNBREAKABLE DOOR, WE WILL JUST GO FOR A WINDOW INSTEAD.
I MEAN IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO GET INSIDE.
BUT YEAH, DENY WITHOUT HAVING, I JUST, I JUST REALLY WANTED THE STAFF TO MAKE MENTION OF THAT TO THE APPLICANT.
IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE PART OF THE MOTION NECESSARILY, BUT I THINK CUTTING THE SHRUBBERY DOWN IS ONE THING.
AND ALSO IF THEY COULD EXPLORE A NEW DOOR THAT WAS, I MEAN THEY CAN KEEP THE DOOR THEY HAVE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE, BUT PUTTING IN BETTER GLASS BECAUSE THAT'S STAINED GLASS AND I, YOU JUST PUSH IT IN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S OLD.
I JUST THINK THAT A NEW DOOR AND CUTTING THE, THE SHRUBBERY DOWN, WE GIVE THEM MORE SECURITY.
MY CONCERN IS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN HARMED WITH A ROBBERY RECENTLY AND I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE THEM MORE SUPPORT AND YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING DENIAL, WE NEED TO GIVE THEM SOME SOMETHING TO CONSTRUCTIVE TO THINK ABOUT.
COMMISSIONER REEVES A SECONDED MM-HMM
SO I'M JUST WRITING DOWN WHAT HE'S SAID.
SO CAN WE STATE WHAT EXACTLY WE'RE GONNA BE VOTING ON JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT IT THERE.
HAVE WE MADE ANY CHANGES? NO, I DON'T THINK WE ADDED THE DOOR.
WE COULDN'T ADD THE DOOR TO THE MOTION.
NO, IT'S JUST OKAY, WE'RE JUST STICKING WITH YOUR, ALL THE, ALL THE COMMENTS ARE JUST FOR ADDITIONAL YEAH, I SUGGESTION RECOMMENDATIONS TO THEM.
YEAH, IT'S JUST A SIMPLE, ALRIGHT.
JUST TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING ON.
SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION WE SAY YES, YES, YES, YES.
STAFF WILL ADVISE APPLICANT ACCORDINGLY AND THAT LEAVES US D FOUR SWISS AVENUE ALL TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION TO THE REAR YARD ACCESSORY BUILDING BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE STORAGE SHED LINES UP WITH THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, SUCH THAT IT WOULD NOT BE VISIBLE IF THE FOLIAGE THAT CURRENTLY HIDES IT WERE TO BE REMOVED.
UM, ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS ONE? I THINK WE, YES, I HAVE A MOTION.
YEAH, BUT I JUST WANNA SAY SOMETHING FIRST.
I KNOW THIS PROPERTY VERY WELL 'CAUSE I HAVE PARENTS THAT LIVED THERE IN THE PAST AND I DON'T FEEL THAT ADDING ONTO THAT GARAGE, PARTICULARLY IN THE WAY THEY WANT TO DO IT WITH THAT ANGLED ADDITION IS APPROPRIATE.
SO BE IT THAT THE, THE DOCUMENTATION WASN'T VERY GOOD BUT I CAN SEE WHERE THEY'RE GOING WITH IT AND I THINK IT WOULD BE NOT APPROPRIATE OR MAYBE TO, TO ASK THEM TO RESUBMIT BECAUSE I THINK I KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT, I THINK WE ALL KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE EVEN THOUGH IT WAS POORLY DOCUMENTED.
SO WITH THAT, I HAVE A MOTION IN CASE OF COA 25 0 0 3 4 9
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OR WRONG, 8 25 0 0 2 9 5 48 26 SWISS AVENUE.I MOVE THAT WE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE ADDITION AS PROPOSED NOT APPROPRIATE IN DESIGN TO THE STRUCTURE, THE PROPOSED WORK WILL HAVE AN ADDED ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE ARCHITECTURE FEATURES OF THIS, OF THE STRUCTURE.
ALRIGHT, THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER, OTHER THAN I, I HOPE THAT WE WILL SHARE WITH THE CLIENT THAT WE REALLY COULDN'T DECIDE THIS NO MATTER WHAT BECAUSE WE DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE.
UH, I DID, UH, REITERATE THAT I EMAILED HIM RIGHT AFTER THE BRIEFING, UM, AND TOLD THEM THOSE EXACT, PLEASE, PLEASE ATTEND
YEAH, BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T KNOW.
ALRIGHT, SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, SO CHRISTINA, WE'LL LET THE CLIENT KNOW NOW ON OUR MINUTES, WE APPARENTLY GET TO REDO THE SEPTEMBER ONES.
WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE, UM, THE MISTAKE THAT WAS FOUND AND HAS NOT BEEN CORRECTED.
WE SURE ALL WANNA DO FIVE AGAIN, DON'T WE?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? PLEASE SAY YES.
ROTHENBERGER MADE IT BRIEF SECOND AND, AND I PRESUME THE SAME TWO WILL BE THE SAME.
AYE UH, REAGAN ROTHENBERGER MOTION TO APPROVE THE OCTOBER 6TH, 2025 REGULAR MEETING MINUTES.
AND COMMISSIONER REEDS
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES.
I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS FOR THE DAY.
ANYBODY GONNA CORRECT ME ON THAT? ALRIGHT, THEN.
OH, WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY ON THE, OKAY.
YOU CAN, WELL, IT'S MORE LIKE AN, IT'S AN ANNOUNCEMENT.
TALKING TO ME ABOUT THE FORUM OR THE CAMP.
OH, DON'T, WELL, MANY OF YOU HAVE SIGNED UP FOR THIS SATURDAY.
UM, IF YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED UP AND YOU'VE CHANGED YOUR MIND AND YOU REALLY, REALLY WANNA COME, JUST LET ME KNOW THAT IT IS EIGHT 30 TO THREE 30 THIS SATURDAY AT THE CENTRAL LIBRARY ON THE SEVENTH FLOOR.
UM, AND I'M WORKING WITH ELAINE RIGHT NOW FOR SOME LUNCH, AND IT IS BEING, UM, OFFERED OR CONDUCTED BY THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE OF PRESERVATION MIN, UH, MISSION, EXCUSE ME.
THEY'RE, THEY HAVE A PROGRAM CALLED CAMP, AND IT'S WHAT WE DID, UH, TWO YEARS AGO.
UM, SO THEY, WE BRING IN THREE TRAINERS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, UH, AND THEY'LL BE TALKING ABOUT A, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SUBJECTS.
I SAY THAT SO WE CAN ALL BE MAD AT HER AND GO READY FOR KATE.
WE ARE NOW ADJOURNED AT FOUR 30.