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[Community Police Oversight Board on November 10, 2025.]
GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.I'D LIKE TO OFFICIALLY CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
MY NAME IS JOHN MARK DAVIDSON.
I HAVE THE HONOR OF SERVING AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD, AND THE GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE CONFIRMED AT QUORUM OF OUR MEMBERS, SO WE ARE READY TO PROCEED.
THE OFFICIAL START TIME FOR THIS MEETING IS 5:34 PM 5:34 PM WE WILL NOW BEGIN THIS MEETING WITH A ROLL CALL FROM OUR BOARD MEMBERS.
EACH OF US HAVE BEEN NOMINATED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR TO SERVE AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITIZENS OF CITIZENS OF DALLAS.
SO, AS I CALL EACH DISTRICT, PLEASE INDICATE YOUR PRESENCE.
IS IS IT RIGHT IF YOU, UH, VERBALLY COMMUNICATE? OH, YOU'RE, HE CAN'T UNMUTE.
IS THAT RIGHT, BRIAN? IS THAT OKAY? OR DOES HE HAVE TO SPEAK? YEAH.
UH, JUST FOR BRIAN BAUGH CAN'T OH, REALLY? MAYBE TYPE IN THE CHAT THAT YOU'RE PRESENT.
OH, HE NEEDS TO BE PROMOTED TO THE PANEL.
WE WILL, WE'LL COME BACK TO, UH, TO BRIAN ON THAT ONE.
UH, DISTRICT SIX, DISTRICT SEVEN, DISTRICT EIGHT.
JUDGE C VICTOR LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT.
JULIA SIMON, PRESENT DISTRICT 14.
BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14.
DISTRICT 15 IS MYSELF, JOHN MARK DAVIDSON.
ARE WE ABLE TO HEAR YOU RIGHT NOW? OKAY.
WE'LL FOLLOW UP, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE HE IS ACCOUNTED FOR ON THE ATTENDANCE, UH, LATER IN THE MEETING, BUT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON, UH, TO THE, THE REST OF THIS MEETING.
UH, CAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES.
FOR THOSE JOINING US IN PERSON AND ONLINE, PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS AN OFFICIAL MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD AND IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
THESE PROCEEDINGS ARE DESIGNED TO FOSTER OPEN COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND PUBLIC SAFETY STAKEHOLDERS, WHILE ENSURING THAT THE BOARD'S BUSINESS IS CONDUCTED EFFICIENTLY AND RESPECTFULLY.
TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL, DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
ALL ATTENDEES MUST REMAIN SEATED UNLESS OTHERWISE DIRECTED ANYONE CAUSING DISRUPTION WILL RECEIVE A ONE.
CONTINUED DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT WILL RESULT IN THE REMOVAL FROM THE MEETING.
THE BOARD IS COMMITTED TO ACCESSIBILITY.
IF YOU REQUIRE TRANSLATION SERVICES, SIGN LANGUAGE, INTERPRETERS, OR OTHER ACCOMMODATIONS, PLEASE CONTACT OUR OFFICE AT O CPO@DALLAS.GOV AT LEAST 72 HOURS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
I WANNA SHARE THE PURPOSE OF THE CPOB AT THIS TIME.
THE MISSION OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD, KNOWN AS A-C-P-O-B, FORMALLY KNOWN AS A CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD, IS TO BUILD AND MAINTAIN TRUST BY ENSURING THAT COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT INVOLVING DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL ARE REVIEWED FAIRLY, TRANSPARENTLY AND THOROUGHLY.
THE BOARD IS SUPPORTED BY THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, THE OCPO, WHICH PROVIDES LOGISTICAL AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE TO HELP US FULFILL THIS MISSION AND MAINTAIN ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE COMPLAINT PROCESS.
WE'LL NOW MOVE TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF OUR AGENDA IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF PROCEDURE.
EACH SPEAKER, WE'LL HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.
DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, THIS TIME MAY BE ADJUSTED TO PARTICIPATE.
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OF THE CITY STAFF AT THE FRONT OF THIS ROOM.YOU CAN RAISE YOUR HAND AND WE'LL FIND YOU IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY SIGNED UP.
AND THERE IS A SECOND, UM, PART, PART OF THIS, PART OF THIS MEETING.
SO FOR THE SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION AT THE END OF THE MEETING, THERE IS NO SIGN UP THAT'S REQUIRED.
PUBLIC COMMENT IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THOUGHTS ON MATTERS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE BOARD.
WHILE THE SIN IS WELCOME, PERSONAL ATTACKS, THREATS, PROFANITY, OR OFF TOPIC REMARKS ARE NOT PERMITTED.
WE STRIVE FOR A CONSTRUCTIVE, RESPECTFUL DIALOGUE.
SO WE'LL GO THROUGH, UH, RIGHT NOW, FIRST ON THE LIST FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IS TIFFANY KO.
IS THERE TIFFANY KO IN PERSON OR ONLINE? I, IT APPEARS THAT TIFFANY IS NOT HERE NOW, BUT THERE'S A TIME AT THE END, TIFFANY, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO STAY, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE NEXT ONE IS TAMARA HUTCHERSON.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE, UH, AND, UH, FOR EXERCISING YOUR ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE WITH US.
UH, WELCOME AND, UH, YOUR TIME WILL BEGIN, UH, WHEN YOU BEGIN SPEAKING.
AND YOU'LL SEE A TIMER ON THE CLOCK HERE.
AND, UM, WHENEVER THE TIMER HITS ZERO, YOU CAN FINISH YOUR THOUGHT, FINISH YOUR SENTENCE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA RUSH YOU, BUT WE JUST ASK THAT YOU RESPECT, UH, THE THREE MINUTE TIMER.
CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? ALL RIGHT.
MY NAME IS TAMARA HUTCHERSON, AND I'M A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT TWO.
THIS EVENING, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS TWO CONCERNS.
THE FIRST CONCERN IS ABOUT THE NEW POLICE TRAINING ACADEMY FACILITY.
PROJE PROJECTED TO BE BUILT ON UNT DALLAS'S CAMPUS, WHICH IS BEING MARKETED AS A REGIONAL FACILITY.
THE RESIDENTS OF DALLAS DESERVE TO KNOW WHICH LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITIES, WHETHER IN STATE, OUT OF STATE, AND EVEN INTERNATIONALLY, ARE PROJECTED TO UTILIZE THIS NEW FACILITY.
IF CONSTRUCTION BREAKS GROUND THIS YEAR, DALLAS DISCLOSED A SECOND LOCATION WILL BE USED DUE TO THE LIMITED ACRES ON UNT DALLAS'S CAMPUS.
AND THAT LOCATION HAS YET TO BE DETERMINED.
THOUGH A SITE NEAR WILMER HUTCHINS HIGH SCHOOL IS BEING CONSIDERED, AGAIN, WE DESERVE ANSWERS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE PROJECTED COSTS FOR THIS FACILITY HAVE INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY, AND FUNDING FROM OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS WERE CUT BACK, DESPITE COMMUNITY OPPOSITION TO INCREASE POLICE SALARIES AND COMPLIANCE WITH PROPOSITION U, A CONSERVATIVE EFFORT LED BY DALLAS HERO.
MY SECOND CONCERN PERTAINS TO RECRUITMENT.
RECRUITMENT HAS BEEN USED TO GARNER SUPPORT FOR THIS NEW POLICE TRAINING FACILITY STATING IT WILL HELP TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS LESSENED THE REQUIREMENTS OF RECRUITS TO INCREASE NUMBERS TO MEET THE MANDATES SET UNDER PROPOSITION U.
AS A WOMAN WITH A MASTER'S DEGREE IN PUBLIC POLICY, FROM THE NUMBER ONE PUBLIC UNIVERSITY IN THE COUNTRY, WHICH IS UCLA, I WORRY WHAT IMPLICATIONS THIS WILL HAVE.
I WANT TO SHARE A PERSONAL EXPERIENCE I HAD WITH A FORMER MALE FRIEND WHO WAS PART OF THE DPDS GRADUATING ACADEMY CLASS 3 96 IN JULY OF 2024.
IN EARLY JANUARY, 2023, THIS FORMER FRIEND HAD HANDWRITTEN A 22 PAGE LETTER THAT I STILL HAVE IN POSSESSION AFTER HE SHOWED UP TO MY OLD HOME WITHOUT MY CONSENT, AND LEFT IT IN MY MAILBOX.
AFTER REJECTING HIS ROMANTIC ADVANCES, DESPITE COMMUNITY INTERVENTION TO SEEK ACCOUNTABILITY FOR HIS UNJUSTIFIABLE ACTIONS, HE REFUSED TO PARTAKE.
I WAS ALARMED TO LEARN THAT SUMMER HE WAS PART OF THIS RECRUITING CLASS AND WHAT THAT COULD MEAN FOR MY SAFETY AND FOR THE SAFETY OF OTHER WOMEN.
I DO NOT FIND IT APPROPRIATE TO SHARE THE CONTENTS OF THIS LETTER.
AS ONE FRIEND WOULD DESCRIBE IT AS RAPE ON PAPER.
FOR ME, THIS CALLS INTO QUESTION THE TYPE OF MENTAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL COMPETENCY REQUIRED OF NEW RECRUITS, AND, IF ANY AT ALL, AND THE TYPE OF PROSPECTIVE INDIVIDUALS BEING RECRUITED, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CITY PRAISING THE MOST RECENT RECRUITING CLASS AS A SECOND LARGEST IN DPD HISTORY.
I STRONGLY URGE AND ENCOURAGE THIS OVERSIGHT BOARD TO ASK THE HARD QUESTIONS OF OUR POLICE CHIEF AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
APPRECIATE YOUR, THOSE WORDS, THOSE COMMENTS.
CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION BASED ON THAT? YES.
UM, HAVE WE EVER GOTTEN A BRIEFING FROM THE CITY ON THE NEW FACILITY? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
COULD WE POTENTIALLY DO THAT WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS? MAYBE JUST GET A BRIEFING FROM SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY ABOUT WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US AS THE OVERSIGHT BOARD TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT.
THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, MR. FREEMAN.
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UH, WE'LL PUT, WE'LL TAKE NOTE AT THE, AS THE OFFICE, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE TO PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA.NEXT, I WANNA CALL TO THE MICROPHONE, MS. DOLORES PHILLIPS.
SEEING THAT MS. PHILLIPS IS NOT HERE AT THIS TIME, WE'LL NOW MOVE TO LYNN ROTH.
THANK YOU, MS. ROTH, FOR BEING HERE.
WHENEVER YOU FEEL READY, BEGIN AND, UH, THE TIMER WILL BEGIN.
AND WE JUST ASK THAT YOU RESPECT THE TIME AND FINISH YOUR SENTENCE, YOUR THOUGHT, AND, BUT WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY? PERFECT.
UM, THE REASON WHY I'M HERE IS TO ASK FOR, UM, YOU GUYS TO DO A, UM, MORE THOROUGH INVESTIGATION ON AN OFFICER HOMICIDE DETECTIVE CODY CLARK FROM DPD ON SEPTEMBER 27TH, 2024.
I FOUND MY SON WALKER DECEASED IN HIS APARTMENT WALKER, HAD ACCIDENTALLY SHOT HIMSELF IN THE ABDOMEN WHILE HE WAS TRYING TO CLEAN HIS WEAPON.
HE HAD REMOVED THE MAGAZINE, PLACED IT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HIS DESK NEXT TO HIS Q-TIPS AND PAPER TOWELS THAT HE USED TO CLEAN HIS WEAPON.
AND, UM, THE SLIDE ON THIS PARTICULAR WEAPON WAS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO PULL BACK.
AND WALKER HAD ACTUALLY JUST FALLEN AT WORK.
AND SO HIS HANDS AND HIS KNEES HAD SOME INJURIES.
IF YOU CAN IMAGINE IF YOU HAVE A REALLY HARD LID TO OPEN ON A MAYONNAISE JAR OR PEANUT BUTTER OR ANYTHING, WHAT DO YOU DO IF THAT LID IS REALLY HARD TO OPEN? HE BENT DOWN TO OPEN IT.
AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH MY SON.
WHEN HE WAS TRYING TO EJECT THE ROUND OUTTA THE MAGAZINE OR OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE CHAMBER.
HIS HAND SLIPPED AND HE ACCIDENTALLY SHOT HIMSELF.
DETECTIVE CLARK SPOKE WITH IMMEDIATE FAMILY ON SCENE ONLY, AND THERE WAS NO FURTHER INVESTIGATION.
HE SAID THAT THE MEDICAL EXAMINER AND THE DEATH INVESTIGATOR WERE THE ONES THAT WOULD DECIDE ULTIMATELY THE, THE MANNER OF DEATH.
UM, THERE WAS ALSO NO, HE SAID HE WAS ONLY THERE TO MAKE SURE IT WASN'T A HOMICIDE, YET THERE WAS NO MENTION OF THE ROOT ACCESS TO OTHER APARTMENTS THROUGH THE ATTIC IN MY SON'S ENTRY CLOSET.
UM, I FOUND OUT THREE DAYS LATER AFTER FINDING MY SON FROM A SUICIDE HOTLINE.
THEY CALLED ME TO SEE IF I NEEDED COUNSELING.
I TRIED TO GET IN TOUCH WITH OFFICER CLARK ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS.
HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO BE AN OPEN BOOK, AND HE TOLD ME THAT THE STATUS OF MY SON'S CASE WAS A SUICIDE.
HE ALSO MADE ME HAVE TO CARRY MY SON'S WEAPON OUT OF THE PROPERTY ROOM, DESPITE ME ASKING HIM TO HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE ABLE TO PICK IT UP.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY I AM HERE TO FIND OUT WHY THERE WASN'T ANY MORE FURTHER INVESTIGATION WHEN THERE WAS SEVERAL UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.
ONE, ONE QUESTION BEFORE YOU GO.
UM, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO FILE AN OFFICIAL COMPLAINT WITH THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY OVERSIGHT? I DID.
I FILE, I FILED THE ACTUAL COMPLAINT ON AUGUST 5TH.
I DID A FOLLOW UP EMAIL ON OCTOBER 10TH.
I RECEIVED AN ANSWER TO THAT EMAIL ON OCTOBER 14TH.
THE ANSWER TO THE, UM, I'M SORRY.
THIS WAS THE, UM, THE, UH, DPD IA DIVISION INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
UM, BUT, UH, THE, UH, BUT THE OCPO, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO THE OFFICE YET? NO.
THEY, THEY JUST SENT ME AN EMAIL STATING THAT I COULD COME AND COME HERE ON THE MEETING, THAT IT WAS GONNA TAKE PLACE ON NOVEMBER 10TH, AND I COULD SPEAK.
WELL, GOOD THING, UH, YOU'RE HERE TODAY.
'CAUSE WE DO HAVE THIS, THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR, TO TALK ABOUT TODAY.
SO, UH, WE, WE WILL ADDRESS THIS A LITTLE BIT LATER ON IN THIS MEETING.
NEXT, WE, WE HAVE BILLY ROBERTSON.
THANK YOU MR. ROBERTSON, FOR BEING HERE.
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WELCOME TO THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.AND, UH, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY TO BEGIN, UH, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
WE HAVE A TIMER THAT WILL BE GOING DOWN, AND WE JUST ASK YOU RESPECT THE THREE MINUTE, UH, TIME, TIME LIMIT.
I HAD SOME, UH, SOME, UH, MATERIAL STORED AT CUBE STORAGE.
AND I SUSPECTED THAT THE POLI, I MEAN, THAT THE, UH, STORAGE PEOPLE HAD HAD, UH, STOLEN IT OR WAS INVOLVED IN STEALING IT.
AND I CALLED THE, UH, UH, I HAD SOME, THE POLICE CAME OUT AND CHECKED IT OUT, AND THEY SAID THEY GONNA SEND IT ON TO THE DETECTIVE.
WHEN I TRIED TO TALK TO THE DETECTIVE YANCY, UH, HE TOLD ME, HE, I WAS TRYING TO TELL HIM THAT THE PO THAT THE STORY PEOPLE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT, AND HE JUST BLEW ME OFF.
HE SAID HE HAD 34 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.
UH, AND, UH, ANOTHER DETECTIVE, I TALKED TO HER AND I TOLD HER, AND SHE SAID SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROOF.
I TOLD, I FOUND OUT WHERE THE STUFF WAS AT.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST DIDN'T PAY ANY ATTENTION TO IT.
THE GUY WHO HAD IT HAD STORED IT INTO ANOTHER ROOM, INTO ANOTHER, UH, STORAGE AREA.
AND, UH, IT STAYED THERE FOR A MONTH.
AND I WAS TELLING THEM ALL THE TIME WHERE IT WAS AT, ON, ON, UH, JUNE THE 13TH, IS WHEN I FIRST FOUND OUT THAT MY STUFF HAD BEEN STOLEN.
AND I KEPT TELLING THEM THAT, UH, I HAD TWO STORAGE.
I TOLD THE LADY THAT, UH, THEY, THEY HAD BROKEN INTO ONE STORY, AND I HAD, I SAID, WELL, I'M GLAD I DIDN'T HAVE THE, UH, MY GOOD STUFF IN THE OTHER STORY.
NEXT THING I KNOW, THEY BROKEN INTO THAT THIS GUY HAD WENT IN THERE, HE WENT OVER THE CEILING AND TOOK MY STUFF, AND I TOLD THEM WHERE MY STUFF WAS AT, AND I WATCHED THEM TAKE THE STUFF OUT OF THERE.
AND I DIDN'T, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO.
I DONE, I DONE, I DONE TOLD 'EM WHAT, BUT I AM HOMELESS.
I LIVE IN MY VAN, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAVE MONEY TO BUILD ME A TINY HOUSE, AND I HAVE LOST CLOSE OVER $6,000 WORTH OF MATERIAL.
EVERYBODY I TALKED TO SAID, WELL, UH, UH, UH, AND YOU HAVE NO PROOF.
I TOOK PROOF DOWN TO THE, TO THE HEADQUARTER POLICE HEADQUARTERS.
THEY SAID TO TAKE IT TO THE, UH, NORTHWEST DIVISION.
I TOOK IT TO THE NORTHWEST DIVISION.
AND I, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY HAD ACTUALLY CAME DOWN AND ASKED ME, I COULD HAVE TOLD THEM HOW THEY DID IT, BUT NOBODY EVER GOT IN CONTACT WITH ME.
NEXT THING I KNOW, I JUST SAY, THEY JUST SAY, WELL, WE DON'T FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF IT.
BUT IF THEY HAD ASKED ME, I COULD HAVE TOLD 'EM HOW IT WAS DONE.
AND I, I BELIEVE YOU'RE ALSO LATER ON, UH, THIS PARTICULAR CASE WILL BE ONE THAT WE CONSIDER FOR INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION LATER ON.
I CAN CONCLUDES OUR, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING.
THERE WILL BE A SECOND OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE ONLINE OR THOSE HERE IN PERSON WHO WOULD LIKE A CHANCE TO SPEAK PUBLICLY.
UH, WE WILL INVITE, UH, INVITE YOU TO SPEAK AT A LATER TIME IN THE MEETING.
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE, UH, TO APPROVE THE MEETING, THE MEETING MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 14TH, 2025.
IF THE BOARD MEMBERS COULD, AT THIS TIME, REVIEW THE MINUTES INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET AND LOOK THROUGH.
AND IF THERE ARE NO CORRECTIONS, CAN I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 14TH, 2025? JUDGE LANDARD, DISTRICT EIGHT, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO SECOND.
BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO A VOTE, ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING THERE IS NO DISCUSSION.
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES, SAY AYE.
BEFORE WE MOVE ON, UH, TO THE AGENDA, I, UH, I DO WANT TO ASK FOR A, A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
UM, IN THE PASSING OF OFFICER RYAN FRITZ, BADGE NUMBER 9 1 5 1
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FROM THE NORTHWEST PATROL DIVISION, OFFICER FRITZ, UH, DIED THIS PAST WEEKEND, I BELIEVE, UH, LEUKEMIA.AND, UH, WE WANT TO, UH, PASS OUR DEEPEST CONDOLENCES TO, TO, TO HIS FAMILY AND TO, TO THE POLICE FORCE, UH, FOR THIS LOSS.
SO, PLEASE JOIN ME AT THIS TIME FOR, FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR OFFICER FRITZ.
OUR CONDOLENCES TO OFFICER FRITZ AND HIS FAMILY.
WE'RE GONNA, UH, SHAKE UP THE AGENDA JUST IN ONE WAY.
UH, INSTEAD, SINCE WE HAVE A, A SPECIAL GUEST HERE, WE WILL, UH, WE'LL MOVE THE BRIEFING FOR THE TU TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
RIGHT AFTER THIS NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT ANY, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS FROM THE BOARD, UH, WE WILL MOVE AGENDA ITEM SIX TO RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS, UH, SPECIAL GUEST PRESENTATION BY DPDS 9 1 1, EMERGENCY COMMUN COMMUNICATIONS CENTER.
AND I'D LIKE TO INVITE POLICY ANALYST SIERRA OBSU TO INTRODUCE DPD ASSISTANT DIRECTOR ROBERT VE, WHO WILL SHARE A PRESENTATION ON AN OVERVIEW OF THE 24 7 EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION AND DISPATCH, WHICH CHAIR RECOGNIZES MS. OBSU? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AGAIN, MY NAME IS SIERRA O BASSI.
I'M THE POLICY ANALYST FOR THE OFFICE, AND TO MY RIGHT IS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR ROBERT URIBE.
ONE OF THE MOST COMMON CONCERNS WE HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THROUGH COMPLAINTS SUBMITTED TO OUR OFFICE, INVOLVED POLICE RESPONSE TIMES DURING OUR RIDE-ALONGS AND OBSERVATIONS.
WE RECOGNIZED THE IMPORTANCE OF UNDERSTANDING THE 9 1 1 CALLS, HOW THEY'RE PRIORITIZED, HOW THEY'RE DISPATCHED, AND HOW THE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION CENTER OPERATES AS A CRITICAL ROLE IN PUBLIC SAFETY TO HELP US AND THE PUBLIC GAIN A CLEARER UNDERSTANDING OF THAT PROCESS.
FROM THE MOMENT A NINE ONE ONE CALL IS MADE TO WHEN IT'S DISPATCHED TO AN OFFICER IN THE FIELD.
WE INVITED THE 9 1 1 EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION CENTER TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD.
OUR GOAL IS TO NOT ONLY EDUCATE AND INFORM BOARD MEMBERS, BUT ALSO EQUIP YOU WITH THE KNOWLEDGE TO SHARE WITH YOUR DISTRICTS AND COMMUNITIES.
WE PLAN TO CONTINUE COLLABORATING WITH THE 9 1 1 BUREAU TO IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL WAYS TO INFORM AND ASSIST THE PUBLIC WHEN MAKING NINE ONE ONE CALLS.
SO THAT CALL TAKERS CAN GATHER ACCURATE INFORMATION QUICKLY AND DISPATCH THE APPROPRIATE RESPONSE AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE.
IN THE MEANTIME, OUR OFFICE WILL CONTINUE TO ASSESS OTHER DEPARTMENTAL PROCESSES AND THROUGH COLLABORATION, MAKE FORMAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ASSISTANT DIRECTOR ROBERT UDI BAY.
GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE, UH, OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OVER THE 9 1 1 COMMUNICATIONS BUREAU.
UH, TODAY I'LL BE PROVIDING AN OVERVIEW OF HOW THE CENTER FUNCTIONS AS THE FIRST POINT OF CONTACT FOR 9 1 1 CALLERS.
WE OPERATE AROUND THE CLOCK TO HELP ENSURE THAT ONLY ONE CALL IS NEEDED, UH, FOR A POLICE RESPONSE OR EMERGENCY RESPONSE FOR THAT MATTER.
UM, NOW I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE ANNUAL CALL VOLUMES, STAFFING STRUCTURE, AND ONGOING MODERNIZATION EFFORTS SUCH AS OUR, UH, EFFORT TO UPGRADE OUR, UM, COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH SYSTEM AND OUR RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, WHICH WILL ULTIMATELY TRANSFORM HOW WE SERVE THE PUBLIC.
SO, SORRY, WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE HEARING YOU ONLINE.
I THINK JUST SPEAKING INTO THE MIC.
YEAH, HOW ABOUT THERE? YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS HEARD.
SO NOW OUR GOAL HERE IS TO GIVE YOU A GOOD LOOK AT HOW THE 9 1 1, UH, CENTER SUPPORTS EMERGENCY RESPONSE CITYWIDE AND HOW WE CONTINUOUSLY WORK TO IMPROVE, UH, THE EFFORTS BY OUR STAFF OVERALL AND WITH THAT PUBLIC TRUST.
UM, SO LET'S BEGIN WITH A QUICK OVERVIEW OF OUR MISSION AND OUR CORE FUNCTIONS.
SO, AS I SAID, WE OPERATE 24 7 AS A PRIMARY PUBLIC SAFETY ANSWERING POINT.
NOW, THIS IS TO ENSURE RAPID, RELIABLE AND PROFESSIONAL RESPONSE, UH, FOR ALL EMERGENCY CALLS, AND TO SUPPORT PUBLIC SAFETY, TRANSPARENCY, AND TRUST THROUGHOUT, UH, THROUGH PROVIDING LOTS OF, UH, EXCEPTIONAL SERVICE
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DELIVERY.NOW, OUR STAFF ARE TASKED WITH A VERY DIFFICULT TASK OF ANSWERING SOME OF THE TOUGHEST INCIDENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND WE TRY TO SUPPORT THEM HOLISTICALLY ON, ON MULTIPLE LEVELS, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL GET INTO THAT IN A SECOND.
NOW, AS I SAID, WE, OUR CORE OPERATIONS ARE RECEIVING THE NINE ONE ONE CALL AND ALSO DISPATCHING, UH, THE CALLS FOR SERVICE.
NOW, WE COORDINATE WITH PATROL OFFICERS WITH SUPPORT DIVISIONS AND OTHER FIRST RESPONDERS, NOT ONLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY, BUT THROUGHOUT THE REGION AS WELL.
AND WE ARE, ARE, WE ARE THE CENTRAL HUB FOR ALL, UH, EMERGENCY AND NON-EMERGENCY PHONE CALLS IN GENERAL.
AND I'M SORRY, ONE MORE AS WELL.
AS FAR AS CALL VOLUME'S CONCERNED, WE RECEIVE OVER 1.8 MILLION CALLS, UH, FOR EVERY YEAR.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HANDLE APPROXIMATELY 35,000, UH, POLICE REPORTS, EITHER BY PHONE OR THROUGH THE ONLINE REPORTING SYSTEM.
NOW, THAT HELPS US SUPPORT THE EFFECTIVE CALL TRIAGE.
AND AS, UH, MS. OI SUI IS, UH, MENTIONING, UH, WE, WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE THAT, UH, THOSE CALLS.
I MEAN, NOT EVERY CALL, UH, WILL RECEIVE THE SAME, UH, FAST SERVICE DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF IT.
SO, UH, WHAT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OUR PRIORITY 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR TYPES OF CALLS.
THOSE ARE THE CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT A POLICE OFFICER WOULD GENERALLY GET DISPATCHED TO.
SO OUR PRIORITY ONE CALL FOR SERVICE IS A CALL IN WHICH SOMEBODY'S IN IMMEDIATE DANGER, THEY'RE IN DANGER RIGHT NOW, THEY'VE BEEN SHOT, THEY'VE BEEN STABBED, UH, OR SOMETHING VERY VIOLENT IS HAPPENING TO 'EM RIGHT NOW.
UH, AND SO THAT, THOSE ARE CLASSIFIED AS OUR HIGHEST PRIORITY.
AND WE, WE TRY TO, UM, OBTAIN THE FASTEST RESPONSE TO EACH ONE OF THOSE.
OUR NEXT PRIORITY IS CALLED A PRIORITY TWO CALL FOR SERVICE IN WHICH SOMEONE POSSIBLY COULD BE IN DANGER, BUT IS NOT NECESSARILY AN IMMEDIATE DANGER.
UM, SO THAT IS A, A, A LOWER PRIORITY, UM, WITH TODAY'S, UH, GOAL, OBVIOUSLY IS TO GET TO THAT CALL WITHIN 12 MINUTES.
AND, UH, THAT IN ITSELF IS, HAS SHOWN TO BE A CHALLENGE AT THIS POINT.
AND THEN OUR PRIORITY THREE AND PRIORITY FOUR CALLS ARE BASICALLY NON-EMERGENCY CALLS IN WHICH POSSIBLY A POLICE REPORT MAY BE NEEDED, OR, UH, IT MAY BE SOME TYPE OF CIVIL MATTER THAT WE HAVE TO RESPOND TO, UH, TO, UH, ASSESS THE SITUATION.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, THE, WE TAKE A LOT OF REPORTS EITHER OVER THE PHONE OR ONLINE, LIKE I DISCUSSED EARLIER.
NOW, THE, THE COMMUNICATION CENTER ALSO, UM, NOT ONLY RECEIVES THE PHONE CALLS, BUT WE ALSO DISPATCH THE CALLS FOR SERVICE CITYWIDE.
UH, NOW THIS, THIS PROVIDES SUPPORT FOR ALL OUR HIGH PRIORITY AND CRITICAL INCIDENTS OVERALL WITH OUR DISPATCHERS SUPPORTING THE OFFICERS AS THEY'RE GOING TO THE SCENES OF EACH ONE OF THESE INCIDENTS.
AND WE ALSO ENSURE THAT WE, UH, PROVIDE THE BEST RESOURCE ALLOCATION THAT WE HAVE WITH THE OFFICERS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY ONE OF THESE SCENES OR ANYTHING THAT THEY SUBSEQUENTLY NEED AT THAT SCENE, WHETHER IT MIGHT BE A FOLLOW-UP UNIT, A HOMICIDE DETECTIVE, FOLLOW-UP DETECTIVES, UH, THE, THE COMMUNICATION CENTER ULTIMATELY, UH, ATTEMPTS TO GET ALL RESOURCES TO THOSE SCENES AS EFFECTIVELY AS POSSIBLE.
ANOTHER, ANOTHER ITEM THAT THE COMMUNICATION CENTER'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IS WHAT'S CALLED A CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION SYSTEMS COMPLIANCE.
SO, UH, FOR INDIVIDUALS TO HAVE ACCESS TO OUR SECURE LOCATIONS, WE, UH, ENSURE THAT WE PUT THEM THROUGH, UH, FINGERPRINT BACKGROUNDS.
THEY RECEIVE TRAINING ON SECURITY COMPLIANCE MEASURES.
UH, WE DO THIS FOR, UH, ANY CITY EMPLOYEE VENDOR, UH, AND, UH, ULTIMATELY EVERY DEPARTMENTAL MEMBER, UH, UH, IN, IN DPD.
UH, SO WE APPROXIMATELY, UM, WE MANAGE APPROXIMATELY 5,000 TOTAL EMPLOYEES WITH CGIS ACCESS THROUGHOUT THE CITY TODAY.
UH, SO AGAIN, IT'S A REALLY CRITICAL FUNCTION ON SOME, SOME OF WHAT WE PROVIDE FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT, UH, FOR ACCESS TO THE DATA THAT, THAT WE RECEIVE EVERY DAY.
UM, AND OF COURSE, WE, UH, THROUGH THAT RESPONSIBILITY, WE ALSO ARE THE INTERMEDIARY BETWEEN THE FBI AND DPS WHENEVER IT COMES TIME TO AUDIT OUR USE OF OUR SENSITIVE INFORMATION THROUGHOUT THE, UH, DEPARTMENT.
ANOTHER ANO, OH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
ANOTHER SECTION WITHIN OUR COMMUNICATIONS DIVISION IS WE ALSO MANAGE THE 24 7 N-C-I-C-T.
THIS OPERATION ALLOWS US TO COMMUNICATE WITH, UM, LAW LAW ENFORCEMENT THROUGHOUT THE NATION AND, AND SOMETIMES O OVERSEAS AS WELL, WHERE, UH, WE CONFIRM WARRANTS.
UM, WE ALSO ENTER STOLEN VEHICLES.
WE CON, UM, WE ENTER PROTECTIVE
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ORDERS AND IN VARIOUS TASKS THAT ULTIMATELY, UH, GET UTILIZED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS THROUGHOUT THE NATION EVERY DAY.UM, THIS TEAM ALSO HAS TO ENSURE THE DATA ACCURACY SO THAT WHEN, WHEN FOLKS GET PULLED OVER, WE'RE NOT ARRESTING THE WRONG PERSON.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE FUNCTION IS VERY, UH, UM, ESSENTIAL TO LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THROUGHOUT THE NATION.
AS FAR AS OUR STAFFING AND ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE, WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER 314 EMPLOYEES, OR, UH, 314 EMPLOYEES COMPOSED OF CALL TAKERS, DISPATCHERS, SUPERVISORS, TRAINERS, SUPPORT STAFF, UM, AND OF COURSE, ALL OF THEM ARE COMMITTED TO A WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.
WE, WE PROVIDE MONTHLY TRAINING REFRESHERS TO OUR STAFF.
UM, WE TAKE KEY CHANGES IN OUR TECHNOLOGY AND ENSURE WE ADDRESS THOSE SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE MORE EFFECTIVE LOCATION FINDING SERVICES OR MORE EFFECTIVE CALL, UH, PROCESSING FOR THE CITIZENS THAT ARE BEING SERVED.
ANOTHER RESPONSIBILITY OF THE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION CENTER IS TO, UH, ENSURE THAT ANY TECHNOLOGY THAT WE UTILIZE AS AS EFFECTIVE AS POSSIBLE.
SO, UH, TODAY WE'RE, UH, HAVING ONGOING REVIEWS OF VARIOUS TECHNOLOGIES LIKE OUR COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH SYSTEM, UH, RECORD MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, UH, WHICH AGAIN, ARE UTILIZED EVERY DAY BY OUR, UM, CALL TAKERS, DISPATCHERS, AND POLICE OFFICERS IN THE STREETS.
UH, WE ALSO WORK, UH, COLLECTIVELY WITH REGIONAL PARTNERS TO ENHANCE OUR, UH, INTEROP RADIO INTEROPERABILITY.
UH, AND THEN WE ALSO FOCUS ON, UH, AS MANY INNOVATIONS AS POSSIBLE, UH, IN OUR CURRENT ENVIRONMENTS.
UH, WITH THE 9 1 1, UH, LANDSCAPE CHANGING, UH, EVERY YEAR, WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCIES AND, AND TECHNOLOGY THAT HELPS US WITH THAT INNOVATION.
SO, OUR GOAL IN EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS ALWAYS IS TO ST STRENGTHEN OUR EMERGENCY, UH, RESPONSE CAPABILITIES.
UH, WE TRY TO IMPROVE OUR VARIOUS SERVICES THAT WE DELIVER, AND, AND THEN WE ALSO FOSTER A CONTINUOUS, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLATFORM FOR EACH ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS.
AGAIN, IT'S A VERY COMPLEX ORGANIZATION, UH, WITH SIX OPERATIONAL UNITS, UH, THAT IS IN INTENTLY FOCUSED ON THE SERVICES THAT WE'RE DELIVERING, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, SO WITH THAT, UH, THAT CONCLUDES THE OVERVIEW.
DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
I APPRECIATE IT, AND WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR THE BOARD IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I, I DO WANNA BEGIN WITH, WITH ONE QUESTION.
UM, KNOWING, UH, HEARING FROM THE OFFICE, UH, THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT THAT THE OFFICE RECEIVES HAS TO DO WITH RESPONSE TIME.
THAT'S OF COURSE, UH, THE MAJORITY OF CALLS THAT COME IN.
AND I KNOW ONE OF THE FUTURE GOALS IS TO IMPROVE THAT SERVICE DELIVERY.
FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW, WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR THAT ISSUE TO BE ADDRESSED AND FOR THE RESPONSE TIME, UH, TO IMPROVE? WELL, THAT IS, THAT IS BEEN, IS BEING WORKED ON AS WE SPEAK.
UM, OUR, UM, ASSISTANT CHIEFS OVER OUR PATROL BUREAUS ARE DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB IN WORKING WITH THEIR, UH, RESPECTIVE STAFFS ON, UH, IDENTIFYING, UH, EFFICIENCIES AND, AND, UH, OVERALL SERVICE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO ON THE 9 1 1 SIDE, WE, WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF STEPS.
WHEN, WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, WE WERE IN A BIT OF TROUBLE IN NOT BEING ABLE TO ANSWER THE NINE ONE ONE CALL EFFECTIVELY.
AND SOME OF Y'ALL MAY HAVE SEEN SOME, SOME OF THE IMPACT THAT THAT WAS HAVING.
SO SINCE THEN, WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB AND, AND HAVE IMPROVED THAT.
SO AT THIS POINT, OUR SERVICE DELIVERY FOR 9 0 1 SERVICES ARE OVER THE NATIONAL RECOMMENDED STANDARD.
WE'RE AT 96 POINT, UH, PERCENT, UH, SERVICE LEVEL, WHICH IS FOR A CITY OUR SIZE IS REALLY, REALLY A GREAT SERVICE LEVEL.
IT'S ALMOST, FOR LACK OF BETTER WORD.
SO TO TRANSLATE THAT INTO THE, THE RESPONSE TIME, UH, ISSUE, WE, WE HAVE TO FOCUS MORE ON, UH, GETTING MORE, UH, MORE OF OUR PATROL STAFF HIRED, UH, WHICH AGAIN, THE, THE, UH, TEAMS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB FOCUSING ON RETENTION HAS ALSO BEEN A, A, A BIG TOPIC FOR US AS WELL.
SO ALL THOSE THINGS ARE STARTING TO COME TOGETHER.
UH, HOWEVER, IT IS GONNA TAKE A, A LITTLE TIME TO ENSURE THAT WE PUT ALL THOSE PIECES, UH, INTO PLACE AND, AND ENSURE THAT, UH, THAT OUR RESPONSE TIMES IMPROVE GREATLY.
SO YOU'RE SAYING PROBABLY, UH, WHAT, WHAT NEXT, THE NEXT THING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS MORE OFFICERS EITHER RETAIN, RETAINING OR, UH, HIRING OF MORE OFFICERS THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE RESPONSE TIME.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOUR OFFICE CAN DO TO HELP WITH THAT? WELL, UH, ON, ON OUR SIDE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'LL
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SUPPORT, UM, UH, THE, THAT, UM, EFFORT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.HOWEVER, WHAT WE ARE DOING, UH, TODAY IS ALSO ANALYZING, UH, OUR OVERALL, UH, DISTRIBUTION OF TYPES OF CALLS TO ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE, UH, AND IT IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE HAD IT FOR A LOT OF YEARS, UH, IS THAT WE, UM, WE HAVE PRIORITIZED EVERYTHING INTO, UH, OVER 50% OF OUR CALL VOLUME CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE CLASSIFIED AS A PRIORITY TWO.
UH, AND THEN APPROXIMATELY 10% OF, UH, OUR, UH, UH, CALL, OTHER CALL VOLUME IS A PRIORITY ONE, THAT, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF HIGH PRIORITY CALLS THAT ARE COMING IN.
UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER CITIES AROUND THE NATION OF SIMILAR SIZE, THE DISTRIBUTION IS MUCH SMALLER WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PRIORITY ONES VERSUS PRIORITY TWOS.
UM, SO, SO THAT'S ONE AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW.
SEE IF, IF OUR CURRENT CLASSIFICATION OF, UH, OF PRIORITIES, UH, IS, IS MATCHING WHAT, WHAT SHOULD BE DONE.
UH, AND I THINK ONCE WE, ONCE WE FINALIZE OUR, OUR STUDY, THAT THAT WILL HELP US DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN, UM, MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO, TO THAT ARENA.
BUT THAT SHOULD IMPACT RESPONSE TIMES OVERALL.
AND, AND WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT STUDY TO CONCLUDE? UH, I WOULD SAY WITHIN THE NEXT, UH, 90 TO 90 TO 180 DAYS.
WE SHOULD HAVE THAT ALL WRAPPED UP IN, IN AT LEAST, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS BEING, UM, DISCUSSED.
I WANNA OPEN UP TO THE REST OF THE BOARD AT THIS TIME.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR? URIBE, JUDGE LANDER, UH, DISTRICT A DIRECTOR, RU URIBE.
DID YOU, UH, DID ANYONE IN YOUR, UH, DEPARTMENT MAKE AN ACTUAL ASSESSMENT OF THE RESPONSE TIMES FOR PRIORITY ONE VERSUS THE ACTUAL RESPONSE TIMES FOR PRIORITY TWO? YOU SAID 10% OF YOUR 9 1 1 CALLS ARE CLA CATEGORIZED AS PRIORITY ONE.
HAVE YOU ALL ASSESSED THE ACTUAL RESPONSE TIME? YES.
SO WE, WE DO LOOK AT THOSE RESPONSE TIMES, UH, FROM A DAILY, WEEKLY, MONTHLY, AND YEARLY PERSPECTIVE.
SO WE, WE DO LOOK AT THOSE RESPONSE TIMES, UM, EVERY DAY.
CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME IS FOR PRIORITY ONE? ABSOLUTELY.
SO A YEAR TO DATE THIS AS OF YESTERDAY, UM, OUR RESPONSE TIME IS, UH, 10.9 MINUTES, BASICALLY ALMOST 11 MINUTES, UH, WHICH IS DOWN FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR, SAME TIME, UH, WHICH WAS 11.38 MINUTES, UM, A YEAR AGO, SAME TIMEFRAME.
THANK YOU, DIRECTOR, I APPRECIATE THAT.
THAT'S FOR TIER ONE? THAT'S FOR TIER ONE CALLS? CORRECT.
AND FOR THE MINUTES THAT, FOR THE MINUTES, THAT WAS MR. FRIEDMAN WITH THAT QUESTION.
BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14.
UH, WHAT ABOUT TIER TWO CALLS? TIER TWO CALLS? UH, AS OF ONCE AGAIN, YESTERDAY, UH, OUR RESPONSE TIME WAS 96.3 MINUTES, UH, COMPARED TO LAST YEAR'S, SAME TIME, WE WERE AT 103 MINUTES.
THANK YOU, MS. MS. ELLEN SMITH.
DID YOU HAVE A, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES.
SO I ACTUALLY CALL 9 1 1 QUITE A BIT FOR TRAFFIC REASONS.
SO I DON'T REALLY GET A RESPONSE FROM THE POLICE.
HOWEVER, I DO, UH, THEY PICK UP VERY QUICKLY, AND THEY ALSO ASK ME, IS THIS A EMERGENCY? I ALWAYS, USUALLY, I ALWAYS SAY NO.
AND THEN THEY ASK ME IF I NEED FIRE OR POLICE.
SO WHEN YOU GO TO FIRE OR POLICE, DOES THAT TAKE THAT CALL VOLUME OFF NINE, THE NINE ONE ONE? NOT NECESSARILY.
IN, IN SOME INSTANCES, IT, UM, FIRE AND POLICE WILL RESPOND, UH, AS PART OF A, AS A MULTI-AGENCY RESPONSE TO AN INCIDENT.
IT, IT ALL, UH, IT DEPENDS ON THE DETAILS OF THE INCIDENT THAT IT HA IS OCCURRING.
SO DOES THAT HELP Y'ALL TO HAVE OTHER DEPARTMENTS PICK THAT UP, LIKE POLICE AND FIRE? ABSOLUTELY.
SO IF, IF IT, THERE'S A MEDICAL EMERGENCY AT A POLICE INCIDENT, IT'S VERY, VERY HELPFUL FOR, UH, EMS TO ALSO RESPOND WITH POLICE AT THE SAME TIME.
THAT WAY THERE ISN'T, UH, A DELAY IN THAT, UM, EMS RESPONSE AS WELL.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY DO ASK, UH, WELL, THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY ASK US TO CALL 9 1 1 FOR TRAFFIC INCIDENTS OR WHATEVER.
IS THERE ANY, ARE Y'ALL LOOKING AT A BETTER WAY TO DO THAT SO THAT YOU'RE NOT CALLING 9 1 1 FOR, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC? WELL, I, THAT, THAT IS, UH, A VERY GOOD QUESTION AND I, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ASKING THAT.
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IS DESIGNED, UH, TO PROVIDE AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE.UM, THE, THE REASON WE CALL 9 1 1 IS BECAUSE WE'RE IN TROUBLE RIGHT NOW.
NOW, IF TRAFFIC IS HEAVY, UH, AND, AND I'LL TELL YOU, WE, WE GET A LOT OF THESE CALLS, UH, PEOPLE ARE BACKED UP AND THEY'RE HONKING AT EACH OTHER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY'S MAYBE NOT MOVING OR, UH, OR THE, UH, FLOW OF TRAFFIC ISN'T, ISN'T HIGH.
THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT'S A HIGH PRIORITY CALL.
UH, NOW IF SOMEBODY HAD AN ACCIDENT AT THAT SAME SCENE AND IS INJURED, IT'S DEFINITELY A HIGHER PRIORITY.
BUT IF IT'S SIMPLY THE TRAFFIC'S SLOW AT FIVE O'CLOCK EVERY DAY AT THAT INTERSECTION, THAT DOESN'T GENERATE A HIGH PRIORITY RESPONSE, IT, IT WILL GENERATE A RESPONSE, BUT IT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE OUTWEIGHING THE STABBINGS.
OR THE SHOOTINGS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
VICE CHAIR SMITH? YES, THANK YOU.
UM, OZZIE SMITH, DISTRICT ONE, UM, YOU GAVE SOME STATS DIRECTOR ON THE DIFFERENT RESPONSE TIMES, PRIORITY CALLS.
CAN YOU BREAK THOSE STATS DOWN ALSO BY REGION? IS THERE, I WAS TOLD THAT THERE'S, UM, REPORTS THAT THE SOUTHERN REGIONS, THE RESPONSE TIMES ARE MUCH LOWER THAN THE NORTHERN REGION.
DO YOU HAVE STATS? SO I DON'T HAVE THOSE STATS.
I, I DIDN'T BRING THOSE WITH ME TODAY, HOWEVER, THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT.
I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT.
I, I'VE HEARD SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF, OF THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
AND WHAT I, THE, THE WAY I'D LIKE EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND IT IS THAT WE HAVE NO, UM, DEFINITION IN OUR PRIORITY SYSTEM.
THAT D THAT IS DEPENDENT ON WHERE YOU LIVE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
OUR QUESTIONS ARE DESIGNED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW AT THIS LOCATION TO SEE IT, WHAT LEVEL OF RESPONSE IS NEEDED.
SO, UM, I, IT IT'S NOT DEPENDENT ON WHERE YOU LIVE, IT, IT'S DEPENDENT ON, UM, WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, AND OBVIOUSLY HOW MUCH OF IT IS HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THAT REGION.
UH, SO, UM, BUT AGAIN, WE CAN PROVIDE THOSE STATS AND, UM, BUT WE'LL DO THAT AT, AT SOME POINT.
SO JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, I THINK THE CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CALCULATION, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT VOLUME AND THE TYPES OF CALLS, SO MAYBE THERE ARE A LARGER VOLUME OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF CALLS HAPPENING IN SOUTHERN AREAS, THEN DOESN'T THAT, DOES THAT NOT DRIVE 9 1 1 TO KIND OF LET THE POLICE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GREATER NEEDS.
SO WE'RE NOT HAVING, YOU KNOW, UM, PRIORITY ONE, PRIORITY TWO CALLS THAT ARE TAKING, I THINK IT WAS REPORTED LIKE 94 MINUTES VERSUS THE 12.
SO WHAT IS THE, I WOULD SAY THE, UM, INTERCONNECTION AND THE JOINT COLLABORATION TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, THOSE ISSUES WITH, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY CONSTITUENTS GETTING PEOPLE, UM, RECEIVING SERVICES AT A MUCH FASTER RESPONSE RATE.
SO, SO ONE OF, ONE OF OUR HIGHEST VOLUMES, UH, UM, WITHIN THE CITY IS IN OUR NORTHEAST AREA, AND THEY RECEIVE KIND OF THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF CALLS, UH, AT, OF ALL PRIORITIES.
UH, BUT, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I MEAN, ULTIMATELY, UH, VOLUME DRIVES STAFFING, UH, UH, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY CALLS, YOU KNOW, MEANS THAT YOU MAY NEED ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL DE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW BIG YOUR UH, SERVICE AREA IS, YOU MAY NEED MORE OR LESS PERSONNEL.
UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME OTHER, UH, THINGS WITHIN, UM, OUR CONSIDERATIONS IS THAT TODAY, WE'LL, WE'LL USE NORTHEAST AS AN EXAMPLE, NORTHEAST HAS AN 85 MILE, SQUARE MILE, UM, UM, UH, SURFACE AREA, BASICALLY, WHEREAS, UH, CENTRAL ONLY HAS LIKE 17 AND A HALF SQUARE MILES.
SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY CENTRAL GETS A LITTLE BETTER RESPONSE TIME THAN NORTHEAST DOES.
AND, AND THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE SAME FOR SOME OF THE OTHERS.
SO THE EV EVERY ASPECT, WHETHER IT'S GEOGRAPHY, WHETHER IT'S, UH, TOTAL VOLUME, THAT'S ALL LOOKED AT WHENEVER YOU'RE CREATING YOUR STAFFING MODELS.
UH, BUT ULTIMATELY I WOULD HAVE TO HAND THAT OVER TO PATROL TO BE ABLE TO, UH, ADDRESS SOME OF, SOME OF WHAT, UH, THEY'RE CONSIDERING.
BUT THE, THE, IN, IN GENERAL BEST PRACTICES ARE TO LOOK AT VOLUME TYPES OF CALLS AND, AND, UH, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED.
THAT'S A VALID QUESTION TOO, THAT YOU ASKED.
AND I, I'M, UH, VERY INTERESTED THE DATA THAT YOU HAVE THAT, UH, ADDRESSES VICE CHAIRS QUESTION, UH, CAN WE HAVE ONE IN THE OFFICE FOLLOW UP WITH THE DIRECTOR TO, UH, GET THAT INFORMATION FOR US SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A, HAVE ACCESS TO IT VIA EMAIL? THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YEAH, I,
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I, I DIDN'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT, UH, MR. MAPLES ACT, ACTUALLY I DO NOW.I JUST WANNA PIGGYBACK ON WHAT MR. SMITH SAID, BECAUSE AS WE, AS WE, UM, SHARE DATA AND LOOK AT DATA, UH, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS, I ALWAYS LOOK AT THE, UM, THE ARREST DATA.
AND AS MR. SMITH WAS SAYING, THERE IS A STIPULATION BETWEEN WHAT HAPPENS IN THE NORTH AND WHAT HAPPENS IN THE SOUTH.
UH, IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S MADE UP.
UM, BUT I WOULD BE CURIOUS, AND I DON'T KNOW, MAY, MAYBE IT, MAYBE IT'S SOMEWHERE THAT I HAVEN'T LOOKED ALREADY, BUT I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO KNOW AS TO HOW MANY OF THOSE CALLS POLICE, ACTUAL POLICE CALLS LED TO ARREST VERSUS POLICE THAT JUST ARRESTED PEOPLE SAY, ON A STOP BECAUSE THE POLICE STOPPED SOMEBODY.
UM, AS IT RELATES, AS IT RELATES TO THESE RECORDS WE ALREADY HAVE FOR ARREST DATA, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? BECAUSE IT'S ONE THING IF I CALL THE POLICE AND THE POLICE COME AND WHATEVER HAPPENS, SOMEBODY GOES TO JAIL, AS OPPOSED TO THE POLICE'S PATROLLING AN AREA STOP SOMEONE, THAT PERSON GOES TO JAIL.
I WANNA KNOW HOW THAT INTERACTS WITH THIS DATA THAT I'M SEEING RIGHT NOW AS IT RELATES TO OUR ARREST RECORDS AND THE DATA THAT HAS BEEN SHARED WITH US.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD PROBABLY, IS IT, OH, I'M SURE IT IS.
I'M, I MEAN, WE GOT MASTER COMPUTERS HERE AT THE CITY.
WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO, HOW TO ASK THE COMPUTER.
WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT QUESTION.
SEE, SEE HOW THAT COULD BE DIVIDED UP DIFFERENTLY.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM OUR ONLINE BOARD MEMBERS? OKAY.
IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S, BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE STOP.
AND THERE'S NO QUESTIONS FROM, UH, ONLINE MEMBERS.
UH, DIRECTOR URIBE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
BEFORE WE STOP, OH, BEFORE WE STOP.
OH, MS. SENATOR, MR. YES, JUDGE? YES.
WILL THESE, UM, DATA THAT YOU PRESENT TO US BE BROKEN UP BY DISTRICT? UM, OR WILL IT BE BROKEN UP BY AREAS THAT ARE DEFINED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? I PREFER 'EM TO BE BROKEN UP BY DISTRICT IF I HAVE MY DRUTHERS.
SO, UH, SO WE WILL LOOK AT, UH, THE VARIOUS DATA, UM, BREAKING POINTS AND, UH, ENSURE THAT IT, WE CAN, I, I BELIEVE WE CAN OUTLINE BY DISTRICT AND BY SERVICE AREA, UH, OR, UM, DIVISION.
UH, SO WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND, AND BREAK IT UP BECAUSE YOU WANT IT BY DISTRICT, RIGHT? THANK YOU, DIRECTOR.
THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, AND, UH, IT GAVE US TIME FOR THE VICE CHAIR.
UM, DIRECTOR URIBE, ONE OTHER FOLLOW UP.
YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, AND I THINK IT'S BEEN REPORTED THAT EVEN THE CHIEF IS LOOKING AT SOME TECH UPGRADES.
UH, CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHAT THOSE UPGRADES ARE? WHAT'S THE TIMELINE TO INSTITUTE THOSE UPGRADES AND WHAT, UM, SYSTEMS, WHATEVER THAT WOULD BE USEFUL TO IMPROVING OUR SYSTEMS? SO, WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
UM, SO WHAT I DID MENTION OUR COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH SYSTEM AND OUR MS SYSTEM, THOSE SYSTEMS ARE IN THE MIDST OF, UH, CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS.
AND, UH, SHOULD WE, UM, BE ABLE TO REACH A CONTRACT FINALIZATION, WE, UM, THAT UPGRADE SHOULD HAPPEN WITHIN THE NEXT 18 TO 24 MONTHS.
UM, ALSO, UH, ON MY SIDE, I'M ALSO LOOKING AT THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE 9 1 1 SYSTEM.
WE ARE USING A A 9 1 1 SYSTEM THAT'S, UH, OVER 12 YEARS OLD OR SO RIGHT NOW.
SO THERE WILL BE AN UPGRADED 9 1 1 SYSTEM THAT'LL BE PRESENTED IN THE COMING MONTHS.
UM, AN EVALUATION IS BEING DONE NOW, AND, UM, HOPEFULLY WITHIN, UH, THE NEXT, UH, OBVIOUSLY AFTER FIFA IS WHEN WE WOULD HOPE THAT WE'D BE IN, IN A FINALIZATION OF EXAMINING THAT PIECE OF IT.
SO HERE, WITHIN THE NEXT 24 MONTHS, WE SHOULD SEE SOME NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT WILL HELP US IMPROVE, NOT LOCATION FINDING FOR OUR CITIZENS.
YOU KNOW, TODAY'S CELL PHONES ARE, UH, DO PROVIDE US A LOT OF DATA THAT UPGRADED SYSTEMS WILL BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE A LOT BETTER SO WE CAN FIND THEM BETTER.
UH, ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IS THAT DALLAS IS A, IS A VISITOR CITY.
AND SO PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE, WHERE THEY'RE AT, WHEN THEY'RE CALLING US ON THE HIGHWAYS, THESE TYPES OF SYSTEMS WILL PINPOINT 'EM, UH, PINPOINT THEIR LOCATION A LOT MORE EFFECTIVELY THAN WHAT WE SEE TODAY.
UM, SO, SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME EXAMPLES.
UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER, UH, AVENUES LIKE DRONES AS FIRST RESPONDERS.
UH, THOSE TYPES OF POSSIBILITIES MAY ALSO HELP US WITH RESPONSE TIMES, UH, AND THE LIKE.
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THANK YOU, DIRECTOR URIBE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT.
I THINK WE'RE ALL EXCITED TO, TO LEARN FROM THAT.
AND, AND ALSO WE, WE REALLY CARE DEEPLY ABOUT RESPONSE TIMES.
AND SO TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON THAT AND ALSO IT'S A PRIORITY FOR YOU, THAT'S ENCOURAGING.
UM, SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
UH, AND THANK YOU, UH, MR. OSO, YOU ARE ALSO FOR THE LEAD IN.
WE WILL NOW, UH, RETURN TO THE CORRECT ORDER OF THE AGENDA AND MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM FIVE, WHICH IS A BRIEFING ON THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT WITH ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY DANIEL MOORE.
AND, UH, THANK YOU, UH, MR. MOORE FOR BEING HERE ON THIS BRIEFING, UH, FOR THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT.
UH, THE FLOOR IS YOURS, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
SO, JUST SOME GENERALIZATIONS ABOUT THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
IT REQUIRES EVERY REGULAR, SPECIAL, OR CALLED MEETING OF A GOVERNMENTAL BODY OPEN.
IT APPLIES TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND TO ALL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
IT REQUIRES MEETINGS TO BE NOTICED.
THOSE NOTICE MUST THOSE NOTICES MUST BE ON, UM, THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND ON THE ELECTRONIC BULLETIN BOARD, WHICH IS THE BULLETIN BOARD ON THE FIRST FLOOR BY THE BLUE ELEVATORS.
AND THEN ANY ACTION TAKEN IN VIOLATION OF TOMA IS VOIDABLE.
SO, GOVERNMENTAL BODIES, UH, IT IS MANDATORY FOR EVERY GOVERNMENTAL BODY.
THIS INCLUDES CITY COUNCIL AND THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
THE CITY CODE SAYS THAT ALL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS MUST COMPLY WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
AND THEN THE COURTS HAVE CREATED WHAT THEY HAVE DESCRIBED AS THE RUBBER STAMP RULE, WHICH IS THE JUDICIALLY CREATED DOCTRINE, THAT IF A LOWER ADVISORY BODY IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO, UM, CITY COUNCIL OR SOME KIND OF BOARD THAT IS EXPRESSLY SUBJECT TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THAT THAT LOWER ADVISORY BODY MUST COMPLY WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
AND THEN IT DEFINES A MEETING AS DELIBERATION BETWEEN A QUORUM.
SO IF YOU SORT OF THINK OF IT AS A MATH PROBLEM, IF YOU HAVE DELIBERATION PLUS QUORUM, THAT EQUALS A MEETING, AND THEN THAT MEETING MUST BE NOTICED AND ALL OF THAT.
AND, UM, DELIBERATION AND DISCUSS OR SYNONYMS FOR PURPOSES OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
AND THIS WOULD INCLUDE WRITTEN AND VERBAL COMMUNICATIONS.
WALKING QUORUMS OR ARE THE, UM, LEGISLATURES FIXED TO THE GAME OF TELEPHONE? IF YOU RECALL FROM, YOU KNOW, BEING A CHILD WHERE PERSON A TELLS PERSON B, WHO TELLS PERSON C, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UM, A WALKING QUORUM IS THE LEGISLATURE'S WAY TO PREVENT THIS.
AND I CANNOT COME UP WITH A MORE SUCCINCT WAY OF DESCRIBING IT OTHER THAN TELEPHONE AND PROVIDING YOU THE LANGUAGE OF THE STATUTE.
SO THIS COMES FROM THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, BUT IT WOULD PROHIBIT A BOARD MEMBER FROM KNOWINGLY ENGAGING IN ONE COMMUNICATION THAT IS A SERIES OF COMMUNICATIONS ABOUT PUBLIC BUSINESS.
AND THAT PERSON AT THE TIME KNEW IN THE COMMUNICATION THAT THEY ENGAGED IN, WOULD BE A SERIES OF COMMUNICATION WHICH WOULD ULTIMATELY REACH A QUORUM OF THE BODY.
SO NEXT SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE SOME EXAMPLES OF WALKING QUORUMS, AND THIS WOULD INCLUDE LIKE MEETING, UM, SECRET DELIBERATIONS, DELIBERATING VIA EMAIL DELIBERATING AND VOTING OVER THE TELEPHONE DELIBERATING THROUGH A SERIES OF CLOSED MEETINGS THAT ARE LESS THAN A QUORUM, BUT THEN YOU ULTIMATELY GET MORE OF A QUORUM.
SO THIS, UM, I SEE SOME CONFUSED LOOKS.
SO I'M GONNA PROVIDE THE EXAMPLE WHERE THIS COMES FROM.
SO THIS COMES FROM A CASE, UM, A SMALL TOWN, I THINK IT WAS SOUTHWEST OF SAN ANTONIO, WHERE THE MAYOR AND THE CITY MANAGER WERE IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
AND COUNCIL MEMBER A WOULD COME IN AND THE MAYOR, THESE, UH, CITY MANAGER AND COUNCIL MEMBER A WOULD DISCUSS HOW THEY WOULD VOTE, AND THEY'D SEND COUNCIL MEMBER A OUT, AND COUNCIL MEMBER B WOULD COME IN, AND THE MAYOR, THE CITY MANAGER AND COUNCIL MEMBER B WOULD TALK ABOUT HOW COUNCIL MEMBER B AND COUNCIL MEMBER A WERE GONNA VOTE.
AND THEY WOULD GO DO ALL OF THIS.
THEY WOULD HAVE ALL THESE DISCUSSIONS, AND THEY'D GO IN FRONT OF THE HORSESHOE AND THEY'D GO VOTE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO PREVENT WAS, YOU CAN'T DO THIS GAME OF TELEPHONE, JUST GO OUT INTO THE PUBLIC, HAVE YOUR DEBATE, HAVE YOUR DISCUSSION, LET THE CARDS FALL WHERE THEY MAY, AND, AND VOTE.
THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS, UM, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE WRITTEN NOTICE OF THE DATE, HOUR, PLACE, AND SUBJECT OF THE MEETING.
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THE MEETING.THE THE NEW CHANGE THAT THE LEGISLATURE MADE THAT JUST WENT INTO EFFECT IN SEPTEMBER WAS THAT NOTICE USED TO BE REQUIRED 72 HOURS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING.
THE LEGISLATURE CHANGED THAT, THAT IS NOW THREE BUSINESS DAYS.
SO YOU'LL NOTICE, UM, TODAY'S AGENDA, FOR EXAMPLE, WAS POSTED LAST TUESDAY SO THAT WE COULD HAVE WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, FRIDAY IS THE THREE BUSINESS DAYS FOR THIS MEETING.
SO JUST SOMETHING TO, UM, BE ALERT TO THAT.
THE, IT IS NOW THREE BUSINESS DAYS, AND THEN THE NOTICE OF ON THE AGENDA MUST BE SUFFICIENT TO INFORM THE PUBLIC OF THIS SUBJECT MATTER.
TOMA ALLOWS CERTAIN GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES.
CITY OF DALLAS IS ONE OF THOSE, UH, TO HAVE A VIDEO CONFERENCE.
IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THE, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE YOUR HYBRID MEETING, YOU HAVE TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO MEET AT A PLACE WHERE THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL BE.
UM, THE BOARD MEMBERS AND STAFF WHO ARE PARTICIPATING MUST BE ONLINE WITH THEIR CAMERAS AND MICROPHONES, UM, ACCESSIBLE AND READY TO, YOU KNOW, ENGAGE IN DIALOGUE DURING THE MEETING.
AND THEN ANY CITY OFFICIAL WHO DOESN'T HAVE THEIR VIDEO OR THEIR MICROPHONE READILY ACCESSIBLE LIKE THAT WOULD BE, IT'S LIKE THEY'RE NOT HERE.
SO THEY WOULD BE ABSENT FOR THAT PORTION OF THE MEETING.
YOU HAVE TO PUT ON YOUR AGENDA THAT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKER, SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT, HEY, WE CAN COME ON DOWN AND TALK TO, TO THE BOARD.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF DELIBERATION UNDER TOOMA, UM, BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS SPEAKING TO YOU THAT IT MEETS THE DEFINITION OF DELIBERATION.
SO YOU, YOUR RESPONSES ARE LIMITED TO SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION, BUT AS, AS MR. FREEMAN CORRECTLY DID, UH, EARLIER IN THE MEETING, HE SAID, HEY, MR. CHAIR, CAN WE PUT THIS DISCUSSION? CAN WE PUT THIS ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS IT MORE THOROUGHLY? SO KUDOS TO YOU, MR. FREEMAN.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT TOMA EXPECTS AND REQUIRES OF, OF BOARD MEMBERS.
JUST SOME OTHER GENERAL RULES.
UM, AN ADJOURNMENT IS A, IS A MAGIC WORD, RIGHT? YOU CAN RECESS ALL YOU WANT, BUT ADJOURNMENT MEANS THE MEETING IS OVER.
UNT, YOU HAVE TO VOTE IN PUBLIC.
YOU CAN'T DO, UM, ANONYMOUS OR SECRET BALLOTS.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IF WE FORGOT TO POST AN ITEM, IT CAN'T BE DISCUSSED.
BUT LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN REQUEST THAT IT BE ON, PLACED ON A FUTURE, UM, AGENDA.
I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT YOU GUYS WOULD REALLY DO THIS.
THE THREE MAIN ONES THAT, UM, OCCUR HERE AT THE CITY OF DALLAS ARE CONSULTING WITH THE ATTORNEY DELIBERATION OF REAL ESTATE MATTERS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONSIDERATIONS.
THOSE LAST TWO WOULD NEVER APPLY TO YOU.
THE, UM, CONSULTING WITH THE ATTORNEY MAY COME UP, AND IF IT DOES, YOU KNOW, FIRST YOU HAVE TO CONVENE AN OPEN SESSION VOTE TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION, WE'D KICK EVERYONE OUT.
WE DO THE CLOSED SESSION, AND THEN ONCE THAT CONCLUDES, BRING EVERYONE BACK IN.
IF YOU DO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION, UNDER THE ATTORNEY EXCEPTION, YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR LAWYER PRESENT.
UH, THERE'S ACTUALLY A CASE THAT CLARIFIES THAT YOU JUST CAN'T GO IN, UH, TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE AND NOT HAVE A LAWYER PRESENT.
AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE NECESSARY FOR THE ME THE, FOR THAT CLOSED SESSION TO ACTUALLY BE EFFECTUATED OR ALSO PERMITTED IN.
THE REASON YOU GUYS DO MINUTES IS BECAUSE TOMA SAYS YOU HAVE TO, SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE MINUTES.
UH, THE PUBLIC CAN COME TAKE A LOOK AT THE MINUTES THAT YOU GUYS APPROVE AND ADOPT AT THE END OF THE MEETING, AND THOSE ARE PUBLIC RECORDS THAT ANYONE CAN COME AND GET.
AND IT'S JUST ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYONE MAY HAVE.
THANK YOU MR. MOORE, FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY? YES, COUNSEL, UH, JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT.
SAY FOR EXAMPLE, UH, I AM AMEND THE MEETING AND GET UP AND GO OUT TO TAKE A PHONE CALL.
AM I NO LONGER IN THE MEETING? YOU WERE NOT PRESENT IN THE ROOM.
SO LIKE, YOU AS A I I GUESS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, ARE YOU SAYING LIKE FOR PURPOSES OF VOTING, FOR PURPOSES OF QUORUM? FOR PURPOSES OF QUORUM FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT VOTING FOR PURPOSES OF QUORUM.
LIKE IF YOU WERE, WE, WE NEED SEVEN MEMBERS TO HAVE A QUORUM HERE TODAY.
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SO IF THERE WERE EXACTLY SEVEN OF YOU ALL AND YOU LEFT, YOU WOULD NO LONGER HAVE A QUORUM OF THE BODY.DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, JUDGE? YEAH, IT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
BUT IT'S NOT AN ANSWER I WANT TO HEAR.
UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.
UH, IS IT THE SAYING FOR PURPOSES OF VOTING, CHAPTER EIGHT SAYS THAT YOU HAVE LIKE, IT, I, I, I SORT OF JOKE THAT CHAPTER EIGHT SAYS THAT YOU GUYS GET PAID THE BIG BUCKS TO MAKE DECISIONS, SO YOU CAN'T, UM, ABSTAIN.
SO YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO VOTE.
UM, AND CHAPTER EIGHT SAYS THAT IF YOU ARE NOT PRESENT, YOU'RE JUST CONSTRUED AS A VOTING, VOTING AFFIRMATIVELY ON THE, THE ITEM THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED.
SO YOU CAN'T ABSTAIN, YOU CANNOT, LIKE BOARDING COMMISSION MEMBERS CANNOT ABSTAIN.
SO IF I DON'T WANT MY VOTE COUNTED, I HAVE TO WALK OUT, BUT THEN I COULD, UH, YOU WERE CONSTRUED THEN AS VOTING IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
SO I'M VOTING YES WHETHER I WANT TO VOTE YES OR NOT.
THAT IS THE DEFAULT RULE THAT COUNCIL, AND AND THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT OF TOOMA, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S CITY COUNCIL SAID IN, IN CHAPTER EIGHT OF THE CITY CODE THAT IT, THAT CITY COUNCIL IMPOSES ON CITY OF DALLAS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A THANK YOU COUNSELOR.
WE HAVE A QUESTION, UH, THAT JENNY KING WROTE IN, UH, ABOUT WHAT CONSTITUTE WHAT NUMBER CONSTITUTES AS A QUORUM AND CURRENTLY, UH, WE HAVE 12 MEMBERS AND THEN, SO I'D LOVE TO HEAR 12, BUT ALSO WHEN WE FILL THE THREE VACANCIES, WHAT NUMBER WOULD THAT BE? SURE.
SO A QUORUM IS A MAJORITY OF THE BODY.
SO 12 SEVEN IS A MAJORITY, SO YOU NEED A MAJORITY TO OPERATE.
SO IF YOU HAVE 15, YOUR QUORUM WOULD THEN BE EIGHT.
UH, MR. HIGGINS, I SEE HIS HAND IS UP ONLINE.
BUT, UM, JUDGE LANDER ACTUALLY ASKED MY QUESTION, SO, UM, I'M, I'M OKAY.
UM, SO MY QUESTION IS THE LEVEL, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE HAD THIS ISSUE ON, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE CHIEF CAME, UM, IN DISCUSSION WITH, UH, WHAT IS LISTED IN OUR AGENDA.
UM, IS THERE ANY GUIDANCE AROUND THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT HAS TO BE IDENTIFIED IN THE MINUTES FOR US TO ADDRESS IT? SO I I I, I TAKE YOUR QUESTION TO NOT BE THE MINUTES, BUT THE AGENDA, RIGHT.
UM, BUT SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE SIGNIF OR IT HAS TO BE SUFFICIENT, IS HOW THE, THE COURTS DESCRIBE IT AND RIGHT.
THAT GOES TO WHAT IS SUFFICIENCY AT THAT POINT.
UM, BUT THE COURTS WILL ALSO TELL YOU THAT THINGS THAT ARE OF MORE, THAT THE PUBLIC CARES MORE ABOUT NEED TO BE MORE, UM, NEED TO BE EXPRESSED MORE CLEARLY.
IF IT IS, UM, JUST SOME RUN OF THE MILL, SOMETHING THAT LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY THE COURTS SAY, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT SPECIFIC, BUT IT'S, IF IT'S SOMETHING THE PUBLIC CARES MORE ABOUT IT BECAUSE THE PUBLIC CARES MORE ABOUT IT.
YOU NEED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC TO INFORM THE PUBLIC OF, UM, WHATEVER THE BODY WILL CONSIDER.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NECESSARILY ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S ULTIMATELY LIKE A LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY AND, AND SUFFICIENT NOTICE.
AND I, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN ARTICULATE IT OTHER THAN THE LANGUAGE THAT THE COURTS USE COUNSELOR WHO DETERMINES THE LEVEL, WHETHER THE, UH, WHETHER THE AGENDA IS SPECIFIC ENOUGH, WHO DETERMINES WHAT IT, LIKE YEAH.
LIKE WHO DETERMINES WHETHER IT'S SPECIFIC ENOUGH.
IF YOU RECALL THE INCIDENT THAT WE, I DO RECALL THAT BRINGS US ALL THE WAY BACK.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW FOR THE RECORD, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING THAT DETERMINATION? SO IF THE, I, I'M, I'M GONNA ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IN A ROUNDABOUT WAY, JUDGE, I'M SURE YOU WILL.
SO IF SOMEONE IS TRYING TO SAY THAT AN ACTION THAT THIS BODY TOOK WAS VOID BECAUSE THE NOTICE WAS INSUFFICIENT, ULTIMATELY, LIKE A COURT WOULD DETERMINE THAT, CORRECT? OR SO I, I GUESS, ASSUME WE'RE NOT IN THAT WORLD, RIGHT? ASSUME THAT NO ONE IS TRYING TO VOID AN ACTION TAKEN BY THIS BOARD.
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THE CHAPTER EIGHT SAYS THAT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE ADVICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY WHEN THE CITY ATTORNEY OPINES ON SOMETHING, UNLESS A COURT OF COMPETENT JURISDICTION TELLS YOU OTHERWISE.AND SO, ULTIMATELY, IF YOU GUYS ARE, IF A BORDER COMMISSION WANTS TO GO BEYOND WHAT THE AGENDA ALLOWS YOU TO YOU, THAT'S MY POINT.
WHAT, WHO DETERMINES THAT THE BOARD OR COMMISSION IS GOING BEYOND WHAT THE AGENDA ALLOWS YOU TO, IN OTHER WORDS, WHO, WHO DETERMINES WHAT THE AGENDA ALLOWS YOU TO DO? WELL, IF THE QUESTION IS LIKE, WHO DRAFTED THE LANGUAGE FOR THE AGENDA? IS THAT THE QUESTION, JUDGE? OR IS IT NO? IS IT JUST THIS IS WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS, THIS IS WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS, THIS IS HOW IT WAS DRAFTED, AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA DO.
WHO SAYS WE CAN'T? YOU, THE JOB OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS TO PROTECT THE CITY FROM POTENTIAL LITIGATION.
AND SO IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MAY COME UP, THEN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WE'LL HAVE TO ADVISE THE BOARD COMMISSION OR ANYONE OF THAT, UM, POSSIBILITY.
I BELIEVE MS. KING HAS A QUESTION LINE.
YES, MS. KING, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IT'S GONNA SOUND SILLY, BUT LET'S SAY THIS WHOLE GROUP IS OUT AND ABOUT AT AN OFFICIAL CITY FUNCTION, MAYBE A HOLIDAY GATHERING OR AN INAUGURATION OF SOMEONE OR SOME SUCH OFFICIAL GATHERING.
DO WE STAY APART IF WE GET TO BE MORE THAN SEVEN OF US? UM, DO WE JUST NEED TO STAY IN SMALL GROUPS? WHAT IF I WANTED TO SAY HI TO FOLKS AND EVERYONE'S STANDING TOGETHER? I KNOW THAT SOUNDS REALLY SILLY, BUT NO, THAT, TALK TO ME ABOUT THAT.
THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT EXPLICITLY CONTEMPLATES, AND IT SAYS THAT YOU CAN HAVE A QUORUM FOR SOCIAL FUNCTION.
SO IF YOU GUYS ALL WANT TO GET TOGETHER AND GO WATCH THE COWBOYS, UM, ON SUNDAY, YOU CAN DO THAT.
UM, ASSUMING YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO TALK ABOUT OFFICIAL BUSINESS, IF IT'S JUST GONNA TALK ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE GAME, THAT'S FINE.
IF YOU WANNA HAVE A CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY PARTY, ASSUMING YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT OFFICIAL BUSINESS, THAT'S FINE.
UM, IT'S ONCE THERE'S A QUORUM OF YOU GUYS AND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT OFFICIAL CITY BUSINESS, AND BY THAT I MEAN STUFF RELATING AS YOUR ROLE AS A BOARD MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD, THAT IT BECOMES, UH, AN ISSUE.
SO DANIEL, LET'S SAY WE'RE AT A HOLIDAY PARTY, AND, UM, WE'RE NOT CHATTING ABOUT ANY OF THIS, ANY OF OUR BOARD BUSINESS.
AND I'M IN A GROUP OF FIVE AND SOMEONE SAYS, CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT COMMENT LAST WEEK? OR CAN YOU BELIEVE WHAT WE HAVE TO REVIEW EVERY, WHATEVER IT IS, AND TWO OTHER OR THREE OTHER PEOPLE AREN'T WITH US.
AND WE HAPPEN TO START TALKING ABOUT BUSINESS EVEN THOUGH THE QUORUM ISN'T STANDING TOGETHER.
THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.
THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.
BUT UNDER THAT SCENARIO, YOU HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING, UM, IN VIOLATION OF TOMA.
YOU DON'T HAVE A QUORUM THERE.
SO YOU CAN HAVE FIVE PEOPLE DISCUSSING, UM, CITY BUSINESS, BUT AS LONG AS YOU'RE UNDER THAT QUORUM THRESHOLD, YOU'RE FINE.
EVEN THOUGH TWO OR THREE OTHERS MAY BE IN THE SAME ROOM, THEY'RE NOT IN THAT CONVERSATION.
THAT IS NOT A QUORUM UNTIL THEY COME INTO THAT CONVERSATION.
I JUST WANTED TO ASK A WHAT IF, THANK YOU, MS. KING, BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS, I SEE YOUR HAND UP THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
I WANTED, UM, TO BACK UP A LITTLE BIT, UM, AROUND JUDGE LAND'S QUESTION, UH, WHEN HE WAS ASKING ABOUT, UM, THE AGENDA LANGUAGE, BUT, UM, DANIEL, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING THAT, UH, AROUND THE TIME YOU WERE SAYING, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY OPINES IS NOT YEAH, UH, YEAH, I WOULD, SORRY, SORRY.
LIKE, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID THERE, BUT I I WANTED TO HEAR THAT ONE MORE TIME AND THEN, UH, BASED ON YOUR ANSWER, I I MIGHT HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
UM, THE CHAPTER EIGHT OF THE CITY CODE, I BELIEVE
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IT'S SECTION EIGHT DASH 26.DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT 26 PLEASE, BUT IT'S IN CHAPTER EIGHT.
UM, THERE'S A PROVISION IN THERE THAT SAYS THAT BOARDING COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE TO FOLLOW THE ADVICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WHEN THE CITY O WHEN THE CITY ATTORNEY OPINES ON SOMETHING, UNLESS A COURT OF COMPETENT JURISDICTION TELLS YOU SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
THE UNLESS PART THAT CAN, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? UM, ACTUALLY, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? YEAH.
SO IT JUST MEANS UNLESS A COURT SAYS THE CITY, THE ADVICE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE PROVIDED YOU WAS WRONG, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE ADVICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
CAN YOU GIMME AN EXAMPLE? WHAT COURT, WHAT KIND OF COURT WOULD SH UH, YEAH.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, LEGAL PROCEEDINGS TAKE A A WHILE, BUT, UM, IF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ADVICE WAS, YOU CAN DO A AND SOMEONE CHALLENGED THAT AND SAID, WE DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, THE CITY CAN DO A, WE THINK B IS THE RIGHT ANSWER.
AND A COURT SAYS, YEAH, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE GOT IT WRONG.
YOU CAN'T DO A, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT ADVICE ANYMORE.
IN FACT, YOU SHOULDN'T, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE JUDGE IS TELLING YOU WHAT THE ANSWER IS.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? SO BASICALLY THAT'S THE ONLY WAY, IF YOU OR THE YOUR OFFICE SAID, HEY, BOARD, YOU CANNOT DO A AND WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO SUE TO CHALLENGE TO DO THAT WHEN THIS, YOU, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE ADVICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, LIKE I I, THAT THAT'S WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ROLE IS HERE, UM, IS TO PREVENT LITIGATION, TO PROTECT THE CITY, ITS INTERESTS.
YOU, YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE ADVICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
SO PROTECT THE INTERESTS OF THE CITY GOVERNMENT, THE, THE, THE BIG ENTITY THAT IS THE CITY OF DALLAS.
BUT OUR JOB IS TO PROTECT THE INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS.
I CAN SEE WHERE THOSE, UH, YOUR, YOUR ROLE AS AN INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBER IN THE BIG PICTURE OF THE CITY OF IDA, CITY OF DALLAS AS AN ENTITY MAY NOT BE, UM, PERFECTLY ALIGNED.
UH, YES, JUDGE, UH, JUDGE LANDER AGAIN, DISTRICT EIGHT, SECTION EIGHT DASH 28 SAYS, AND I QUOTE, IF A LEGAL OPINION HAS BEEN RENDERED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING A BOARD'S POWERS, DUTIES OR RESPONSIBILITIES, THAT BOARD SHALL CONFORM THE ACTIONS, SORRY, THAT BOARD SHALL CONFORM ITS ACTIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OPINION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, UNLESS SUCH OPINION IS IN CONFLICT WITH A DECISION BY A COURT OF COMPETENT JURISDICTION.
UH, AND YOU SAID IT WAS EIGHT DASH 20? YES.
NOW, ON THAT SUBJECT, UH, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, AND THIS IS JUST A HYPOTHETICAL AND IT IS NOT PERSONAL.
SAY FOR EXAMPLE, WE DID NOT LIKE THE ADVICE THAT YOU, AS THE ASSIGNED CITY ATTORNEY WAS GIVING US ON A PARTICULAR ISSUE, WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT? CAN WE GO ABOVE YOUR HEAD TO THE HIGHER LEVEL CITY ATTORNEY? OR DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR A COURT OF COMPETENT JURISDICTION? I'M SURE YOU COULD REACH OUT TO SOME OF THE OTHER FOLKS ON THE SEVENTH FLOOR, MY BOSSES, AND, BUT IS THAT PROPER? YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION IF YOU DON'T WANT, I MEAN, I'M, I'M A I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE YOU AN ANSWER.
AND I THINK THE ANSWER WOULD BE THAT THE, YOUR ORDINANCE DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO MAKE EMPLOYMENT DECISIONS.
IT DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO MAKE EMPLOYMENT DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DEMAND SOMETHING, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE IN YOUR PURVIEW.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO ASK NICELY, I, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD BE RECEIVED.
THINK ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME, MR. FRIEDMAN? I JUST, I I'M JUST TRYING, GONNA TRY TO GET A STRAIGHT, AN STRAIGHT ANSWER HERE.
UH, BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14, JUST TO BE CLEAR.
SO LET'S SAY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE GIVES THE BOARD ADVICE ON A TOPIC.
CAN WE TALK ABOUT THIS? CITY ATTORNEY SAYS NO.
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WHAT HAPPENS IF WE JUST KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT? DO YOU CALL THE COPS? LIKE WHAT I, I I CAN ONLY PROVIDE YOU GUYS ADVICE, SO, RIGHT.SO ARE THERE ANY, UH, CRIMINAL OR CIVIL PENALTIES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT FOR US? LIKE IF WE JUST KEEP TALKING, IF WE IGNORE THE CITY ATTORNEY? SO IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT IT IS.
LIKE THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT IF YOU GUYS TELL ME TO POUNCE ON, THEN YOU KNOW, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
UM, BUT I WILL EXPRESS THAT THERE ARE CRIMINAL PENALTIES, THERE'S INJUNCTIVE RELIEF, THERE'S MANDAMUS RELIEF, THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF RELIEF THAT A LITIGANT CAN GET FROM THE CITY OF, THAT A LITIGANT CAN GET IF YOU VIOLATE THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT OPEN MEETINGS ACT THOUGH, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHAT IT SORT OF DEPENDS ON WHEN YOU'RE TELLING ME TO POUND SAND WHAT THE CONTEXT IS, WE'D BE MUCH MORE POLITE ABOUT IT THAN TELLING YOU TO POUND SAND.
BUT, SORRY, I MEAN SURE, SURE.
SO IF, SO, IF WE, IF, IF CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE GIVES THE BOARD ADVICE AND THE, THE BOARD IGNORES IT AND JUST KEEPS TALKING, UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO DISCERN WHAT THE CRIMINAL OR CIVIL PENALTIES MAY BE AND WHO MIGHT BRING THOSE, LIKE WOULD, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS.
THE, THE CRIMINAL PENALTIES WOULD BE BROUGHT BY A DISTRICT ATTORNEY.
THE CIVIL PENALTIES WOULD BE BROUGHT BY A LITIGANT WHO HAS STANDING.
AND WITHOUT LIKE MORE CONTEXT OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN REALLY, UM, LIKE, WITHOUT MORE DETAILS TO THE HYPOTHETICAL, I CAN'T REALLY RESPOND.
CAN WE JUST USE MR. MAPLES? THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
UM, SO I WASN'T GONNA GO DOWN THIS RABBIT HOLE, BUT MAN, YOU'RE A GOOD ATTORNEY.
UM, SO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S JOB IS TO PROTECT THE CITY FROM LITIGATION.
DID I INTERPRET THAT CLOSE? 80% RIGHT.
I, I MEAN, I, I WOULD, I WOULDN'T SAY FROM LITIGATION, JUST PROTECT THE CITY'S.
AND WHEN WE INITIALLY HAD THE POLICE CHIEF HERE, WE WERE SHUT DOWN BECAUSE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WANTED TO ASK WEREN'T ON THE AGENDA.
THE AGENDA WAS MUCH MORE NARROW THAN THE QUESTIONS YOU GUYS, IT APPEARED WANTED TO ASK
SO WHEN WE PUT 'EM IN WRITING AND PUT 'EM ON THE AGENDA, THEY WERE THE SAME QUESTIONS.
THE, THE LANGUAGE ON THE AGENDA WAS DIFFERENT.
THAT, THAT IS WHAT, UH, CONTROLS THE DISCUSSION.
HOW DOES THAT PROMPT YOU TO PROTECT THE CITY FROM LITIGATION? BECAUSE THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT ALLOWS AN INTERESTED PARTY TO SEEK MANDAMUS AND INJUNCTIVE RELIEF AGAINST THE CITY.
IF THE CITY IS VIOLATING THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, SAY THAT IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, SOMEONE CAN SUE THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR VIOLATING THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, MAN.
LAST COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT PRESENTATION? YES.
UM, SO I GUESS, UH, OZZIE SMITH, DISTRICT ONE, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO PUT THOSE PUZZLE PIECES NOW TOGETHER USING THE EXAMPLE OF THE CHIEF BASED ON NOT HAVING MORE SPECIFICITY IN OUR QUESTIONS.
IF I LOOK TO BOARD MEMBER FRIEDMAN'S QUESTION, HAD WE NOT LISTENED TO YOUR ADVICE OR YOU OPINED ON THE SITUATION, WHAT WOULD, WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN THE SCENARIO IN THAT SPECIFIC CASE FOR US AS BOARD MEMBERS FROM CIVIL OR CRIMINALS PERSPECTIVE? I WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR YOU GUYS IN YOUR INDIVIDUAL CAPACITIES.
I'D HAVE TO LOOK IN THIS BOOK AND FIGURE THAT OUT.
YEAH, IF YOU COULD CHECK AND SEE INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY, JUST SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE FACING IF WE DECIDE TO CONTINUE ASKING MAYBE QUESTIONS IN THIS SCENARIO TO THE CHIEF.
SO I'M HEARING, UH, THAT YOU CAN HELP US UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, WITH THE FOLLOW UP AND, UH, WE'LL HAVE THE BOARD FOLLOW UP WITH YOU AS WELL.
UH, TO, UH, GIVE SOME CLARITY ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED ON THAT DAY, UH, IF WE WOULD'VE KEPT TALKING AND, UH, IGNORED YOUR ADVICE.
UM, AND, UH, AT WHAT RISKS DID WE PUT OURSELVES IN, UH, AND AS, AS, UH, AS MUCH SPECI, SPECI, UH, SPECIFICS, UH,
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UH, AS POSSIBLE.SEEING THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR THAT PRESENTATION ON THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
WE'LL NOW MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM SEVEN.
AND THIS IS A FOLLOW UP INFORMATION REQUEST FROM, UH, TO THE DP TO THE DPD FROM BOARD MEMBER CHANGA HIGGINS REGARDING DATA AND UNARMED AERIAL SQUAD DRONES.
IF YOU RECALL LAST MEETING DURING OUR QQ AND A WITH THE POLICE CHIEF BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS ASKED A QUESTION, UH, ABOUT DATA AND ALSO UNARMED AERIAL SQUADRONS.
AND SO, UH, THE, UH, CHIEF EXECUTIVE, EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT CHIEF OF POLICE, MONIQUE ALEX, UH, WAS KIND ENOUGH TO, UH, SAY THAT SHE'D COME BACK TO US WITH THIS INFORMATION.
AND ALSO, UH, FOR THE RECORD FOR THE MINUTES, I WANT TO, UH, JUST LET IT BE KNOWN THAT DISTRICT SEVEN TIMOTHY JACKSON IS PRESENT AT THIS MEETING, AND HE'S ONLINE.
SO I WANT, UH, PLEASE MARK HIM AS PRESENT FOR THIS MEETING.
BUT, UH, EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT CHIEF ALEX, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
UH, NO, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.
UH, BEFORE I GET STARTED, I ACTUALLY WANTED TO KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS DID KNOW THAT, UM, LATE OCTOBER, WE DID A, A REORG ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO THE INDIVIDUAL TO MY RIGHT, UH, ASSISTANT CHIEF ISABEL HERRERA IS ALSO NOW PART OF THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS CHAIN OF COMMAND.
UM, I'LL LET HIM GIVE A BRIEF INTRODUCTION OF HIMSELF, BUT HE DID HAVE, UH, EXPERIENCE WORKING IN IED, UH, WHEN HE WAS, I THINK, A SERGEANT.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR THE, UH, INVITATION TO COME OUT.
UH, AS CHIEF ALEX MENTIONED, I HAVE A 29 YEAR VET OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, A WHOLE MYRIAD OF ASSIGNMENTS, AND ONE OF THOSE BEING IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE ROLE IN THIS ASSIGNMENT.
UH, WITH THAT SAID, MYSELF, UH, CHIEF HERRERA AND MAJOR SLAS, ONE, BOTH OR ALL THREE OF US WILL COMMIT TO BEING HERE EVERY MONTH, UH, IN SUPPORT OF, UH, YOUR ROLE IN, UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
SO, UH, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON LAST MONTH'S MEETING, THERE WAS THREE QUESTIONS THAT, UH, WE LEFT WITH.
UM, I DID RECEIVE, UH, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THE FIFTH, UH, FROM, UM, BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS.
UM, AFTER REVIEWING HIS QUESTIONS, UM, STAFF WAS ASSIGNED THE QUESTIONS AND WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT.
SO, SPEAK, UH, SPOKE WITH, UM, THE MONITOR THIS MORNING, AND I THINK TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF EACH UNIT, FACIAL RECOGNITION, FLOCK, AS WELL AS DRONES, THAT I'D ASK BOTH, UH, ALL THREE UNITS TO COME AND GIVE YOU GUYS A BRIEFING SO YOU'LL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AS, UH, SPECIFICALLY OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN EACH UNIT.
UM, I, A D CAN GIVE YOU THE 35,000 FOOT LEVEL, BUT TO GET IN THE WEEDS AND GET DOWN TO WHAT YOU GUYS NEED TO KNOW, I THINK IT'D BE BETTER COMING FROM THOSE UNIT COMMANDERS.
SO THEY ALL COMMITTED TO BEING HERE ON THE NINTH.
BUT TO FOLLOW UP ON THE QUESTIONS THAT, THAT, UH, THAT I PROMISED TO COME BACK AND, UH, BRIEF YOU WITH WAS REGARDING THE, THE FLOCK DATA.
AND THE SPECIFIC QUESTION THAT, UM, WE HAD WAS CAN PRIVATE COMPANIES ACCESS OUR FLOCK DATA? THAT ANSWER IS NO.
HOWEVER, THEY CAN SHARE THEIR FLOCK DATA WITH US, UM, BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO DPDS, UH, FLOCK CAMERAS.
UM, TO FOLLOW UP ON THE FLOCK CAMERA, I, WHEN I WAS WORKING ON THIS, WE DID BREAK DOWN, AND I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T BREAK IT DOWN BY DISTRICT, BUT I DO HAVE IT BROKE DOWN BY, UM, DIVISION CENTRAL PATROL HAS 88 FLOCK CAMERAS.
NORTHEAST HAS 111 FLOCK CAMERAS.
SOUTHEAST HAS 98 FLOCK CAMERAS.
SOUTHWEST HAS 119 FLOCK CAMERAS.
NORTH CENTRAL HAS 78 FLOCK CAMERAS.
NORTHWEST HAS 90 FLOCK CAMERAS, AND SOUTH CENTRAL HAS 105 FLOCK CAMERAS.
WE DO HAVE MOBILE, UH, MOBILE FLOCK CAMERAS THAT WE CAN DEPLOY, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THOSE ARE ALL, UH, FIXED.
THE, UH, OTHER FOLLOW UP QUESTION THAT I, WE HAD WAS, UH, REGARDING MR. JACKSON'S, UM, QUESTION REGARDING OFFENSES FOR, UH, CRIMINAL OFFENSES COMMITTED AGAINST APPOINTED BOARD MEMBERS.
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OUR POLICY, ANYTHING IN OUR SOP, UM, I DIDN'T SEE IN THE CITY CHARTER, IF THERE, UH, REGARDING ANY, UM, OFFENSES COMMITTED ON OR AGAINST A APPOINTED BOARD MEMBER.HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE SOME, UM, CRIMINAL INTELLIGENCE THAT WORKS OFFENSES FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS.
SO THERE WAS NOTHING THAT WE HAD IN OUR POLICY AND OUR SOP REGARDING APPOINTED BOARD MEMBERS.
THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR THIS FOLLOW UP.
ANY, UH, FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS IN REGARD TO THIS FOLLOW UP FROM CHIEF? ALEX? YES.
UH, JUST ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP ON THE, UM, THE POLICY IS THAT I, I GUESS MY CONCERN WOULD BE IS THAT THAT JUST KIND OF A STANDING POLICY THAT YOU, WE DO NOT SHARE WITH, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE ENTITIES THAT FLOCK DATA? OR IS THAT A HARDENED POLICY THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD TAKE SOME TYPE OF VOTE OR SOMETHING TO CHANGE THAT THE DPD DOES NOT SHARE? WE DON'T SHARE OUR FLOCK CAMERAS WITH PRIVATE ENTITIES.
YEAH, I'M ASSUMING, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT OUR, WITHIN OUR CONTRACT, I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE, UM, SOME OF THE, UH, PRIVATE ENTITIES CAN SHARE THEIR DATA WITH US, BUT WE DON'T SHARE OUR FLOCK DATA WITH ANY THIRD PARTY OR PRIVATE ENTITY.
SO I GUESS SAY FOR EXAMPLE, YOU WENT UNDER CONTRACT WITH A NEW CONTRACTOR FOR THESE SERVICES, UH, IS IT POSSIBLE THEN THAT THAT WOULD CHANGE? OR IS THAT, I, I GUESS TO ME THERE'S THE CONTRACT PIECE, WHICH IS THE EXTERNAL AGREEMENT WITH WHOEVER THE PROVIDER IS, AND THEN THERE'S THE INTERNAL, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE INTERNAL TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT DPD ABIDES BY.
IS IT AN INTERNAL POLICY? I GUESS MY QUESTION THAT YOU WOULD NEVER, WE CANNOT SHARE THIS DATA WITH AN EXTERNAL SOURCE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IT APPEARS THAT THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
AND, UH, THANK YOU ALSO FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO PRESENCE.
UH, WE CAN'T ARTICULATE ENOUGH HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE.
UH, THERE IS A HAND RAISED ONLINE BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS, UH, PLEASE.
I WAS JUST, UH, GOING TO SAY THANK YOU FOR COMING TO GIVE US A REPORT ON THAT.
UM, UH, WE MAY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS IN THE FUTURE, BUT I, WE APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE, UM, THE TRANSPARENCY AND FOR YOU AND YOUR TEAM TO COME, COME AND, UH, TO, UH, UH, GIVE US THAT INFORMATION.
WE ARE HERE TO, TO SUPPORT THE MISSION.
UM, I ANTICIPATE, UH, WITH THE PRESENTATIONS, YOU GUYS WILL HAVE MORE ADDITIONAL AND IN-DEPTH QUESTIONS.
UM, IF THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFIC I'D ASK, TRY TO GET IT, GET IT TO MYSELF OR THROUGH THE BOARD, UH, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING ON THEIR PRESENTATIONS.
AND OUR PLAN IS TO HAVE THE PRESENTATIONS TO, UH, THE DIRECTOR BY THE FIRST.
I THINK IN MY TIME, I KNOW THE GOAL OF ALL THIS IS TRANSPARENCY AND, AND TO BUILD PUBLIC TRUST, AND I DO APPRECIATE THE WORKING ROOM RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE.
AND I KNOW THE OFFICE APPRECIATES AS WELL, UM, THE, THE CONNECTION THAT WE HAVE WITH, WITH THE DEPARTMENT.
UH, SPEAKING OF, UH, WE DO HAVE AN INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION REPORT FROM MAJOR GONZALEZ.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, SIR.
AND, UH, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
UH, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANKS FOR THE BOARD FOR ALLOWING US TO BE HERE.
UH, I JUST WANNA REPORT OUT THAT IED CONTINUES TO CORROBORATE, COMMUNICATE WITH THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT AND STRENGTHEN THE COMMITMENT TO TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
I KNOW THAT LAST, UH, MEETING, WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING, UH, PROPERTY ROOM.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO UPDATE THOSE, THOSE QUESTIONS.
UH, ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS THAT WAS MENTIONED OR ASKED WAS, DOES THE EVIDENCE HAVE A DESTRUCTION TIMELINE, UH, ACCORDING TO THE PROPERTY MANAGER? YES, THE ANSWER IS YES.
THAT IS DICTATED BY THE NEED OF THE ITEM BY THE DETECTIVE, AND ALSO BY THE RETENTION LAWS.
DEPENDING ON THE ITEM, IT IS, BEFORE ANY ITEM IS DESTROYED, A LETTER HAS TO BE SENT OUT TO THE LEGITIMATE OWNER, GIVEN HIM OR HER THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND RETRIEVE THAT PROPERTY.
THE OTHER QUESTION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS, IF PROPERTY IS SEIZED FROM ONE PERSON, BUT HE BELONGS TO ANOTHER PERSON, HOW DOES THE ACTUAL OWNER RETRIEVE IT? UH, THE ANSWER IS THAT THE OFFICER WILL GET THAT INFO, THAT INFORMATION
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DURING THE SEIZURE OF THE ITEM OR PROPERTY AND WHATEVER NAME THAT INDIVIDUAL GIVES, WILL GO ON THE PROPERTY TAG AS THE OWNER, AND ONLY THAT PERSON CAN COME TO THE PROPERTY ROOM AND RETRIEVE THAT ITEM.THERE ARE ALSO DIFFERENT TIMEFRAMES FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROPERTY.
FOR EXAMPLE, ANY TYPE OF SEXUAL ASSAULT PROPERTY OR ITEM RELATED TO THOSE CASES ARE HELD INDEFINITELY.
SO AS MURDERS, UM, THEY, THOSE ITEMS WILL NEVER BE DESTROYED.
THEY'RE KEPT FOR FUTURE REFERENCES.
UH, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UH, ALSO IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY AND CORROBORATION, I WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALLY INVITE EACH BOARD MEMBER TO COME INTO THE, UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOU, UH, THIS VISIT WILL PROVIDE YOU AN INSIGHT, OUR INVESTIGATION PROCESS, OUR COMPLAINT INTAKE SYSTEMS, AND ALSO, UH, CASE REVIEW PROCEDURES THAT WE HAVE AND HOW OFFICERS ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE OR EXONERATED.
SO IF YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTING, PLEASE GIMME A CALL OR EMAIL ME AND, UH, WE'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN.
THANK YOU, MAJOR, APPRECIATE THAT INVITATION.
AND SO, UH, THE BEST WAY, IF WE WANTED TO HAVE A TOUR OF THE IAD OFFICE, THE PROCESS, UH, SHOULD WE DIRECTLY CALL YOU DIRECTLY OR EMAIL YOU DIRECTLY OR GO THROUGH THE OFFICE? WHAT'S THE BEST PROCEDURE TO DO THAT? EITHER OR.
I HAVE, I WAS GOING TO GIVE YOU MY BUSINESS CARDS.
I'M JUST WAITING FOR THEM AND THE ONES THAT I'VE MADE OR KIND OF READ IT IN PEN AND THEY DON'T LOOK TO MY STANDARDS.
SO THAT'S WHY I HAVEN'T GIVEN THEM OUT.
I, I APOLOGIZE, BUT, UH, I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVIDE YOU MY INFORMATION.
IS IT OKAY FOR US TO COME INDIVIDUALLY OR WOULD YOU PREFER TO, FOR US TO COME IN A GROUP? FOR ME, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
WE HAVE MY LIEUTENANTS OVER IN THE BACK.
WE'LL, WE'LL GIVE YOU A TOUR, A PRIVATE VIP TOUR OF IED IF YOU WANT.
AS LONG AS WE'RE LESS THAN A QUORUM, WE'RE OKAY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MAJOR SALAS? YEAH, I GOT A QUESTION.
MR. MAPLES, YOU, YOU MENTIONED, UM, UM, DESTROYING EVIDENCE OR, OR ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN CONFISCATED, I GUESS WOULD BE THE WORD I WOULD USE.
EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT YOU MEAN BY DESTROYED.
IS THAT, BECAUSE NOW THIS COULD BE ANYTHING FROM A WALLET WATCH OR A CAR.
YEAH, LET'S, I GUESS LEMME BE VERY CLEAR EVIDENCE.
OBVIOUSLY, IF IT'S EVIDENCE OF A CRIME, IT WOULD NEVER BE DESTROYED.
HOWEVER, PROPERTY THAT'S SEIZED FROM PEOPLE PROP, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.
AND, AND THOSE NOTICES ARE GIVEN OUT AND NOBODY COMES TO RECLAIM IT AT SOME POINT OR ANOTHER, THE PROPERTY ROOM HAS TO MAKE ROOM FOR THE ITEMS. YES, SIR.
OH, MR. MAPLES, I THINK YOUR MIC MIGHT BE TURNED OFF.
SO, SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IS DOES IT GO OUT FOR AUCTION? IS IT, IS IT INCINERATED? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THEY HAVE A, UH, FOR DRUGS, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY ARE INCINERATED YES.
FOR OTHER ITEMS. I, I CAN'T GET YOU THAT ANSWER.
'CAUSE I DON'T, I NEVER WORKED THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY THE INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED WHEN WE ASKED THIS QUESTION, BUT IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH AN ARREST OF, I'M GONNA MAKE THIS UP A BOYFRIEND.
SO IT GETS PICKED UP AT AN APARTMENT.
LET'S SAY IT'S MY BOYFRIEND, IT'S MY PHONE, BUT YOU TAGGED IT FOR HIM AND HIS ARREST.
SO HOW DO I GET MY PHONE BACK WHEN IT WASN'T HIS TO BEGIN WITH? THAT WAS THE QUESTION AS I RECALL IT.
SO HOW DOES THAT WORK? THE FIRST WAY IS OBVIOUSLY IF THE OFFICER PLACES THE NAME OF THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, BUT SAY THAT BOYFRIEND PUT HIS NAME ON, BUT YOU HAVE A RECEIPT OR YOU CAN PROVE THAT IT IS ACTUALLY YOURS.
SO 'CAUSE THAT WAS I THINK, THE COMPLAINT.
SHE SAID, WOULD I HAVE TO GO FIND MY RECEIPT FROM THE APPLE STORE? LIKE, WHAT, WHAT DO I, LIKE, HOW WOULD I KNOW TO BRING IT? BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT SHE'S GONNA BE ABLE TO PROVE THAT IT IS HER PHONE.
AND JUST FOR THE MINUTES, THAT EXCELLENT QUESTION WAS ASKED BY MS. SIMON.
SIMON, JUST, UH, JUST SO FOR THE RECORD, JUST WANNA REMIND THE BOARD TO PLEASE SPEAK INTO YOUR MICROPHONES AS, UH, WE HAVE CON UH, CONSTITUENTS ONLINE AND THEY WILL NOT HEAR YOUR CONVERSATION IF YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING INTO THE MIC.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MAJOR SALAS? IT APPEARS THAT, UH, WE'RE SATISFIED.
SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, YOUR TIME AND FOR THE INFORMATION.
AND, UH, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING HERE.
LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU, UH, NEXT TIME.
AND I WILL GIVE YOU BACK MY, MY CARDS THAT I MADE UP.
WELL, UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO THESE CARDS.
AND, AND, UH, I KNOW THAT I CAN SPEAK FOR THE BOARD WE'RE, WE'D ALL INTERESTED IN GOING AND TOURING AND, AND LEARNING THE PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN BE BETTER AT OUR JOB.
AND, UH, SPEAKING FOR THE PEOPLE.
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WE, UH, WILL NOW MOVE, UH, TO THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT STAFF REPORTS.WE HAVE A, A RUN OF INVESTIGATIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH ABOUT FIVE, BUT BEFORE THAT WE DO HAVE THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT, WHICH IS, UH, AGENDA ITEM NINE A.
AND SO I'D LIKE TO TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO THE DIRECTOR OF THE OCPO.
I'M THE CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THIS EVENING'S REPORT.
TONIGHT'S UPDATES WILL BE BRIEF.
UM, THE CITY RECENTLY COMPLETED INSTALLATION OF A NEW ACCESS CONTROL AT THE OFFICE SUITE IN FIVE DN.
THIS, UM, UPGRADE ALLOWS VISITORS TO RING THE OFFICE DIRECTLY, COMMUNICATE WITH STAFF THROUGH INTERCOM, AND BE GRANTED ACCESS FROM THE FRONT DESK.
THIS ENHANCEMENT STRENGTHENS, UM, OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY.
UM, WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON ADDITIONAL SECURITY MEASURES IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
SENIOR OUTREACH SPECIALIST AMMA PEREZ HAS PREPARED A DETAILED SUMMARY OF OUR RECENT ACTIVITIES.
I ENCOURAGE BOARD MEMBERS TO SHARE UPCOMING EVENTS IN YOUR DISTRICT WHERE OUR PRESENCE WILL BE HEALTH HELPFUL, AS WELL AS ANY ORGANIZATION THAT MAY BENEFIT FROM LEARNING MORE ABOUT OUR OFFICE OR THE PROCESS OF FILING AN ACCOMMODATION OR COMPLAINT.
FROM OCTOBER 25TH TO OCTOBER 30TH, SEVERAL MEMBERS OF OUR TEAM ATTENDED THE NACO 31ST ANNUAL CONFERENCE IN MINNEAPOLIS, UM, MINNESOTA.
WE, UM, EXTENDED OUR GRATITUDE TO, WHILE DEAR GUERRERO, FOR MAINTAINING AN OFFICE OP OPERATION DURING THIS PERIOD, WE'RE PLEASED TO REPORT NO ISSUES AROUSED.
THE CONFERENCE O OFFERED VALUABLE INSIGHT INTO TRAUMA INFORMED PRACTICES, UM, VICARIOUS TRAUMA AND STRATEGIES, UH, FOR SUPPORT AND OVERSIGHT PROFESSIONALS.
WE ALSO LEARNED FROM NATIONAL EXPERTS ON POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY, COMMUNITY ADVOCACY, AND EMERGING EMERGING TRENDS IN CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT.
UM, A KEYNOTE MOMENT CAME FROM, UM, VALERIE CASTILE, WHO SPOKE ABOUT HER ADVOCACY, UM, FOLLOWING THE DEATH OF HER SON, FIDEL CASTILE.
ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT TAKEAWAY FROM THE CIVIL RIGHTS, UM, LEGAL COMMUNITY WAS THE OBSERVATION THAT POLITICAL INFLUENCES CONTINUE TO SHAPE, UM, SUPPORT FOR CASES.
AND THAT SEPARATING POLITICS FOR CIVIL RIGHTS PROCESS REMAINS A CHALLENGE.
ADDITIONAL SESSIONS EXPLORED OVERSIGHT IN RELATIONS TO ICE STATE PREEMPTIONS OF CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT STRATEGIES FOR ADVANCING REFORM.
IN THE ABSENCE OF FEDERAL INTERVENTION, UH, PARTICULAR FOR OFFICES WITH LIMITED RESOURCES, THERE ARE MANY VALUABLE DISCUSSION, FAR TOO MANY TO CAPTURE AND TO SUMMARY.
BUT THE LESSONS LEARNED WILL INFORM US FOR OUR CONTINUED WORK.
WE CONTINUE TO ADVANCE OUR COMMUNICATION AND TRANSPARENCY INITIATIVE.
OUR COLLABORATION WITH THE OFFICE OF DATA ANALYTICS AND BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE IS ONGOING AS WE FINALIZE UPDATES TO OUR ONLINE ACCOMMODATION AND COMPLAINT FORM, AND PREPARE TO LAUNCH THE ONLINE INDEPENDENT REVIEW FORM.
ADDITIONALLY, DBIS ASSISTING US IN DEVELOPING INTERNAL HEAT MAP THAT VISUALIZE OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ACROSS THE CITY.
THIS TOOL WILL HELP US TO EFFECTIVELY TRACK ENGAGEMENT PATTERNS.
WE ARE WORKING WITH, UM, ICS TO EMBED THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY DASHBOARD DIRECTLY INTO OUR WEBSITE.
THIS DASHBOARD, PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, WE'LL SERVE AS AN IMPORTANT TOOL FOR STRENGTHENING TRANSPARENCY AND TRUST WITH DALLAS RESIDENTS.
IT WILL PROVIDE A COMPREHENSIVE, UM, OVERVIEW OF OUR EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINTS FILED WITH BOTH THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT AND THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, INCLUDING DETAILS ON THE COMPLAINTS TYPES, COMPLAINTS, DEMOGRAPHICS, COMPLAINANT, DEMOGRAPHIC RESOLUTION, OUTCOME, AND ACCOMMODATION RECEIVED BY DPD OFFICERS.
UM, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT FOR THIS EVENING.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS TO THE DIRECTOR? SEEING THERE'S NONE IN PERSON, NONE ONLINE.
I DO WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO WAL DEER.
UH, I KNOW THAT WITH THE LAYOFFS RECENTLY HERE AT CITY HALL, THE TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAS LOST SEVERAL MEMBERS.
AND SO, UH, REMEMBER THOSE DAYS WHEN WE HAD REALLY HAD A HARD TIME WITH TECHNOLOGY? YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE, LIKE, THERE WERE SOME MEETINGS WHERE WE COULDN'T EVEN MEET BECAUSE OF IT.
REMEMBER THAT? MR. MAPLES? NAH,
BUT, UH, ANYWAY, RIGHT NOW WE GOT IT EVEN IN-HOUSE.
SO WAL DIRE IS MAKING IT SMOOTH.
UH, AND HE'S NOT, HE'S NOT EVEN GETTING PAID.
SO, ANYWAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
SO I JUST WANNA GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE OFFICE.
OH, MS. KING'S GOT HER HAND UP.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'M EXCITED
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ABOUT THE DASHBOARD.ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO DEMYSTIFY WHAT OUR OFFICE AND THIS BOARD DOES IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE I STILL FEEL LIKE OUR FUNCTION IS A BEST KEPT SECRET FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS AND FOR ALL THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE.
SO I JUST WANNA THANK, UM, DIRECTOR ANDRE AND HER TEAM FOR ALL THAT THEY'RE DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT THIS IMPORTANT FUNCTION FOR CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND PUBLIC SAFETY IN, IN DALLAS.
I WANNA WELCOME INVESTIGATOR GREG HUFF, UH, TO MICROPHONE.
WE HAVE A SEVERAL CASES THAT WILL BE BROUGHT BEFORE US AS A BOARD TO CONSIDER FOR IN, FOR AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
SO THESE CASES THAT WE'LL LISTEN TO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION FROM THE OFFICE HAS NOT YET OCCURRED.
BUT WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL LISTEN TO A BRIEFING, A BRIEF BRIEFING FROM INVESTIGATOR HUFF, AND THEN WE AS A BOARD, WE'LL HAVE SOME TIME TO ASK SOME CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.
AND THEN WE'LL TAKE IT TO A VOTE WHETHER WE WOULD LIKE THE OFFICE TO GO DEEPER INTO THESE CASES.
AND IF WE WOULD LIKE INVESTIGATOR HUFF TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION THAT WILL BE REPORTED TO US AT A LATER MEETING.
SO TODAY WE HAVE NO INVESTIGATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETE 'CAUSE OF THE, IT'S BEEN A SHORTER MONTH AND WITH THE, THE NA CONFERENCE.
BUT THESE ARE FIVE CASES THAT WE'LL ALL LISTEN TO AND WE'LL WE'LL HEAR, UH, FROM INVESTIGATOR HUFFIN WILL DECIDE, DO WE AS AN OFFICE, DO WE AS A BOARD WANT THE OFFICE TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION? SO THERE'S FIVE OF THEM.
I KNOW WE HAVE SOME MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE THAT, UH, WHO ARE PART OF THIS.
AND, UH, I APOLOGIZE TO SOMEONE WHO SPOKE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT 'CAUSE I WOULD'VE LOVED FOR YOU TO SPEAK BEFORE, BEFORE THIS.
BUT, UH, WE'RE GONNA GO A LITTLE BIT OUT, OUT OF ORDER 'CAUSE I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF THE TIME.
AND SO I DO KNOW THAT CIN WILKINSON WILKINSON, UH, YOU WERE HERE, UH, TODAY.
NUMBER TWO, UH, WHERE IT SAYS, UH, UH, CASE NUMBER TWO.
AND SO HE'S GONNA COME UP AND, UH, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, SIR, UH, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES AND, UH, YOU CAN SHARE, UH, YOUR EXPERIENCE AS JUST LIKE A PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, WHAT YOU'VE EXPERIENCED.
AND THEN AFTER YOU, WE'LL HEAR FROM INVESTIGATOR HUFF.
AND AFTER THAT, WE CAN ASK SOME CLARIFYING QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL TAKE IT TO A VOTE AS A BOARD ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
SO, UH, MR. WILKERSON, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
I'M CRICK WILKERSON, UH, BROUGHT WITH ME MY BOOK THAT I PUBLISH SELF-PUBLISHED IS ENTITLED INNOCENT BLACK MAN, ILLEGALLY CONVICTED FOR RAPE CHARGES WITHOUT AN ARREST AND WITHOUT AN ARRAIGNMENT.
I JUST HEARD OFFICERS HERE SPOKE ABOUT SPEAKING ABOUT ARREST, AND IT, IT TURNS MY STOMACH BECAUSE I NEVER GOT ARRESTED FOR THESE RAPE CHARGES.
NO ARRAIGNMENT, UH, ARREST DATES WERE FALSIFIED MADE UP.
THERE'S NO OFFENSE REPORT, NO ARREST REPORT.
AND I WENT TO TRIAL FOR THESE CHARGES.
OKAY? UM, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE SAYING PRESENTLY THAT THEY NEVER FILED THESE CHARGES, BUT THE INDICTMENTS SAY THAT DALLAS POLICE HAVE FILED THESE CHARGES.
I'VE BEEN WRESTLING WITH THIS FOR 15 YEARS.
I HAVE TO REGISTER AS A SEX OFFENDER EVERY 90 DAYS FOR CHARGES THAT DON'T EXIST.
SO I'M PLEADING I'M BEGGING WITH YOU GUYS TO PLEASE INVESTIGATE THIS.
AGAIN, I PUBLISHED THIS BOOK, MY PUBLISHING COMPANY TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO ON MY WORD.
SO THEY DID THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL IN, UH, INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT I PRESENTED TO THEM.
OKAY? I DIDN'T JUST MAKE THIS UP.
I DIDN'T MANUFACTURE THESE, UM, DOCUMENTS THAT WAS PRESENTED BY THE, UM, CROOKEDNESS OF THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY, UH, UH, OFFICIALS.
THE ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY.
I'M TRYING TO MAKE THIS FAST BECAUSE I GET PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN SPEAKING THE SAME, I'VE BEEN PLAYING THE SAME RECORD FOR 15 YEARS NOW.
ROBB WAS THE PROSECUTOR WHO DID THIS TO ME.
SHE'S ACTUALLY UNDER SCRUTINY NOW IN WICHITA FALLS, TEXAS, IN THE COURTROOMS BECAUSE OF HER MISCONDUCT AS A PROSECUTOR.
OKAY? SO I'M BEGGING WITH YOU TO PLEASE INVESTIGATE THIS.
DON'T GO BY WHAT I'VE SAID BECAUSE I DID NOT MAKE THESE THINGS UP.
I KNOW THIS IS NOT A COURTROOM, OKAY? BUT MY STOMACH TURNED WHEN I KEPT HEARING ARREST, OKAY? AND I REALIZED THAT YOU CANNOT BEGIN YOUR PROSECUTION PROCESS
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WITHOUT AN ARREST.OKAY? THEY MADE UP DIFFERENT ARREST DATES.
A OFFICER KNOWS THAT IF THERE'S AN ARREST DATE, THERE HAS TO BE AN ARREST REPORT.
THERE'S NO ARREST REPORT FOR THESE RAPE CHARGES.
OKAY? I WENT TO TRIAL AND WAS FOUND GUILTY WITH NO EVIDENCE.
BLACK LEADERS DIED FOR CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS.
ME EVERS MALCOLM MARTIN LUTHER KING.
HERE I AM NOW AN INNOCENT BLACK MAN STANDING HERE TODAY, STILL DEALING WITH THIS, AND NOBODY WON'T GET INVOLVED AGAIN, FORGIVE ME BECAUSE I GET PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THIS IS MY FREEDOM.
SO FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS AS WELL, UH, JUST SO YOU KNOW, ON TAB NUMBER THREE IN YOUR BINDER, YOU HAVE A WRITEUP FOR EACH OF THE CASES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
SO YOU CAN FOLLOW ALONG WITH THE PRESENTATION INVESTIGATOR HUFF, UH, THE FLOOR IS YOUR, I'D LOVE TO HEAR, UH, YOUR INSIGHT, YOUR THOUGHTS, UH, WHAT YOU'VE UNCOVERED, UH, INVOLVING CRICK WILKERSON INDEPENDENT REVIEW REQUEST.
I'M THE INVESTIGATOR FOR THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT.
UM, AS WE JUST HEARD FROM CRICK WILKERSON, UH, HE SUBMITTED A COMPLAINT BACK IN AUGUST 17TH, 2025, REFERENCE THIS INCIDENT THAT OCCURRED BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2010.
UM, HE DETAILED THE COMPLAINT JUST A MINUTE AGO, SO I'LL SKIP INTO WHAT INTERNAL AFFAIRS DID.
THEY DID A PRELIMINARY REVIEW AND THEY SENT HIM A LETTER ADVISING THAT THERE WOULD BE NO INVESTIGATION BECAUSE THEY DETERMINED THERE WERE NO VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES OR PROCEDURES.
AND THEY ALSO WENT ON TO ADD THAT IT WAS A DUPLICATE COMPLAINT.
UM, HE HAD PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED A COMPLAINT BACK IN DECEMBER OF 2023.
ON THE, UH, SAME CIRCUMSTANCES.
UH, A REVIEW OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS RECORDS SHOWS THAT WILKERSON HAD MADE 14 SIMILAR COMPLAINTS TO THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT SINCE 2011.
UH, NONE OF THOSE PRIOR COMPLAINTS HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED PAST THE PRELIMINARY REVIEW STAGE.
UM, MR. WILKERSON REACHED OUT TO OUR OFFICE, UM, REQUESTING AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW, AND HE ADVISED AT THAT TIME THAT, UM, HIS ILLEGAL CONVICTION WAS BASED ON THE USE OF FALSIFIED GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS BY THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
OUR PRELIMINARY REVIEW OF THE INCIDENT, UH, DID NOT FIND ANY POLICIES, UM, ANY VIOLATIONS OF POLICY OR PROCEDURES FROM THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THE COMPLAINT WAS FILED AFTER 60 DAYS SINCE THE DATE OF OCCURRENCE.
AND IT IS A ISSUE INVOLVING GUILT OR INNOCENCE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, INVESTIGATOR.
I WANNA OPEN IT UP FOR THE BOARD RIGHT NOW FOR ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS BEFORE WE RECEIVE A MOTION THAT MAY HELP US, UH, DETERMINE, UM, WHAT, WHAT TO DO IN THIS CASE.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD THAT WOULD, UH, BRING CLARIFICATION BEFORE I HEAR A MOTION? JUDGE LANDARD DISTRICT EIGHT.
SO I ASSUME FROM THIS, SIR, THAT, UH, IT IS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT THAT THERE BE NO INVESTIGATION, NO FURTHER INVESTIGATION.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I KNEW WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS.
DIRECTOR, YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT? YEAH, I JUST WANT TO JUST ADD, I THINK IT SHOULD BE UP TO THE BOARD TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD INVESTIGATE THIS.
WE'RE JUST GIVEN OUR INITIAL REVIEW AND WHAT WE HAVE SO FAR BASED ON EVIDENCE.
UM, DETERMINATION OF YOUR OWN AS THE OFFICE? NO.
WE'RE REQUESTING FOR YOU TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF CLARIFICATION IN REGARD TO THIS CASE? WELL, I HAVE ONE OTHER, UM, YOU'VE INDICATED, UM, SIR, THAT, UM, THE COMPLAINT HAS BEEN FILED FOR MORE THAN 60 DAYS AFTER THE DATE OF OCCURRENCE AND THAT IT INVOLVES GUILT OR INNOCENCE.
ARE THOSE DISPOSITIVE, UM, MATTERS WITH RESPECT TO THE OFFICE? WITH RESPECT TO THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION? OKAY.
WHAT IS THE COMPLAINT? IS THE COMPLAINT A FALSE ARREST OR IS IT NO INVESTIGATION? WHAT IS THE OFFICIAL COMPLAINT THAT'S FILED? UH, WHEN I REVIEWED HIS COMPLAINT, I CAME UP WITH THESE, UH, FOUR DIFFERENT ITEMS. HE COMPLAINED OF BEING FALSELY ACCUSED OF RAPE.
UM, HE ADVISED THAT THE FALSE ARREST WARRANTS WERE ISSUED IN NOVEMBER 29TH, 2010, AND THEN DISMISSED ON THE SAME DATE.
HE COMPLAINED THAT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT FAILED TO EXERCISE DUE DILIGENCE WHEN HE WAS ARRESTED ON THOSE FRAUDULENT WARRANTS.
AND HE FURTHER ALLEGED THAT HE WAS ILLEGALLY FORCED INTO A SHAM AND ILLEGAL TRIAL WHERE HE WAS ILLEGALLY CONVICTED ON SEX CHARGES.
AND MR. WILKERSON INDICATED THAT HE'S UNAWARE
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OF ANY REPORTS OF THE INCIDENT, UH, POLICE REPORTS ABOUT THAT DAY.HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO, IN YOUR INITIAL REVIEW, VERIFY WHETHER THERE ARE REPORTS THAT EXIST FROM THAT INCIDENT? THERE'S REPORTS I THINK HE'S REFERRING TO THAT THERE'S NO REPORT OF AN ARREST.
DO YOU DISTINCT WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU WANT MY OPINION ON THAT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? YES, PLEASE.
UM, YEAH, HE'S SAYING HE WAS NEVER ARRESTED FOR THIS, UM, INCIDENT IN WHICH HE WAS CONVICTED IN TRIAL.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD CASES WHERE I'VE NEVER ARRESTED THE PEOPLE BUT HAVE BROUGHT THEM TO TRIAL AND THEY HAVE BEEN CONVICTED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FOR THE INVESTIGATOR? DO I HAVE ANY MOTION FROM THE BOARD? AND WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, CONDUCT THIS INDEPENDENT REVIEW.
AND IF YOU AGREE WITH AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, THE ANSWER WILL BE YES.
IF YOU DISAGREE, THE MOTION WILL BE TURNED DOWN, WHICH WILL BE NO INVESTIGATION.
I THINK THIS MATTER NEEDS FURTHER LOOKING INTO, AND THEREFORE I WOULD MOVE THAT, UH, THE OFFICE CONDUCT A FURTHER INVESTIGATION, A FULL INVESTIGATION, UH, TO ITS ABILITY OF, UM, THIS MATTER.
THERE'S BEEN A MOTION MADE TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
IS THERE A SECOND? JONATHAN MAPLES DISTRICT TO I SECOND.
THERE'S BEEN A MOTION AND IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY JONATHAN MAPLES BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO A VOTE.
UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ALMOST BEING ASKED, ASKED TO FUNCTION AS A COURT OF APPEALS.
I MEAN, IF, IF, IF HE WAS ARRESTED AND IT WENT TO TRIAL AND HE WAS CONVICTED, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S COMING BACK TO THE POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
UH, SO MY POINT IS, I, THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO BE WITH OUR, WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION, IF I MAY SPEAK, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT TO THAT, SINCE I MADE THE MOTION.
UH, I MADE THE MOTION BECAUSE IT DOES INVOLVE THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, ALBEIT A LONG, LONG TIME AGO.
BUT IT STILL INVOLVES DPD AND WHETHER OR NOT, UM, ANY ONE IN DPD DID WHAT THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE OR DIDN'T DO WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE.
UM, THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD BE LOOKED INTO FURTHER.
I'M NOT LOOKING AT MAKING A DETERMINATION OVER THE GUILT OR INNOCENCE OR ANY OF THAT OTHER STUFF.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT DPD DID.
I THINK THAT CLARIFICATION, JUDGE.
MS. SMITH, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR ANY COMMENT? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE? UH, TIM JACKSON, DISTRICT SEVEN? YES, MR. JACKSON? I GUESS I WOULD ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF JUDGE LANDER, UM, AS A RESULT TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY OPPORTUNITIES THAT WERE MISSED OR ANY INFORMATION THAT COULD, UH, BE BROUGHT FORWARD.
NOT NECESSARILY TO ASSIST THE INDIVIDUAL THAT'S MAKING A COMPLAINT, BUT THE SHED LIGHT ON IF THERE'S, UM, PROCESSES THAT WERE MISSED.
I KNOW WE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME LAST MEETING, AGREEING TO INVESTIGATE SOMETHING BASED OFF OF ONE FACTION THAT WE NOTICED THAT A POLICE OFFICER DIDN'T DO THAT HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COMPLAINT.
SO I JUST THINK IT'S ONLY FAIR THAT WE KEEP THAT SAME ENERGY WHEN WE HAVE ANOTHER SITUATION WHERE THERE COULD BE SOME INCONSISTENCIES AND WE JUST NEED TO BRING EVERYTHING TO LIFE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE? I SEE NO HANDS RAISED.
SO, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, WHEN IT ARRIVES AT YOUR DISTRICT, IF, UH, IF YOU AGREE THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, THE VOTE IS YAY.
IF YOU ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, THE VOTE IS NAY.
MAY DISTRICT SIX IS NOT PRESENT.
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DISTRICT EIGHT.JULIA SIMON, DISTRICT 13? YES.
SO WE WILL ASK THE INVESTIGATOR, MR. HUFF TO, UH, TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION ON THIS, THIS, AND LOOKING AT HOW THE POLICE FORCE RESPONDED TO THIS INCIDENT.
AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR RESULTS SOON.
UH, LET'S GO RIGHT NOW TO, UH, LYNN ROTH'S INVESTIGATION, WHICH IS NUMBER FOUR.
NUMBER FOUR, UH, SINCE THEY ARE HERE TODAY, AND I, I KNOW, UH, YOU ALREADY SPOKE IN PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU, YOU WANT TO COMMENT? UH, CAN WE, WE CAN GIVE YOU A FEW MINUTES, UH, JUST TO REFRESH EVERYONE'S MEMORY, UH, REAL QUICK IF POSSIBLE.
I FORGOT TO ADD THAT, UM, MY CURRENT HUSBAND WAS A FORMER DPD OFFICER.
HE NOW WORKED AT FORT WORTH, AND MY HUSBAND HAPPENED TO WORK WITH THE CRIME SCENE DETECTIVE THAT SHOWED UP ON SCENE AND THE CRIME SCENE DETECTIVE AS WELL AS THE HOMICIDE DETECTIVE.
THEY ALL SAID IN ALL THEIR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, THEY'VE NEVER SEEN A SITUATION LIKE WHAT HAPPENED WITH MY SON.
AND, UM, DETECTIVE CLARK SAID THAT HE SPOKE WITH HIS SUPERIORS AND HE DIDN'T APPRECIATE MY HUSBAND TALKING TO HIS CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATORS.
AND HE SAID THAT HE COULD HAVE MY HUSBAND ARRESTED FOR OFFICIAL OPPRESSION AND INTERFERING IN HIS INVESTIGATION WHEN ALL ME AND MY HUSBAND HAD ASKED WAS JUST THAT THEY DID A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION AND SAID WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
NO TRYING TO CHANGE MINDS, OPINIONS OR ANYTHING JUST TO, TO DO THEIR JOB AND LOOK AT ALL THE EVIDENCE.
I WILL NOW, UH, LISTEN TO INVESTIGATOR HUFF'S INITIAL REVIEW OF THIS CASE.
I, AGAIN, THIS INFORMATION IS ALSO IN YOUR PACKET ALONG WITH THE PRELIMINARY REVIEW RESULTS.
ON AUGUST 5TH, 2025, LYNN ROTH SUBMITTED A COMPLAINT TO THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT REGARDING THE DEATH OF HER SON.
UM, HER MAIN COMPLAINTS WERE, DETECTIVE CLARK CONCLUDED THAT HER SON'S DEATH WAS SUICIDE WITHOUT CONDUCTING A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION.
AND SHE ALSO, UM, ALLEGED THAT DETECTIVE CLARK SUBMITTED PAPERWORK FOR ROTH TO PICK UP THE HANDGUN USED IN THE INCIDENT.
ROTH REQUESTED THE DETECTIVE CHANGE THE PAPERWORK SO HER HUSBAND COULD PICK UP THE HANDGUN, BUT HE SAID THE PAPERWORK HAD ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED.
UH, REVIEW OF THE POLICE REPORT INDICATED THAT THEY RESPONDED TO AN UNRESPONSIVE MALE INSIDE AN APARTMENT, AND THEY LOCATED A 19-YEAR-OLD MALE LAYING HALFWAY ON HIS BED FACE DOWN, UH, DALLAS FIRE RESCUE ARRIVED AND, UM, DECLARED HIM DECEASED AT THE SCENE.
A HANDGUN WAS FOUND ON THE FLOOR.
THE HANDGUN DID NOT CONTAIN ANY ROUNDS, UH, SPENT.
SHELL CASING WAS FOUND UNDER A PILLOW.
UM, AND THE MEDICAL EXAMINER MOVED THE BODY AND A GUNSHOT WOUND WAS FOUND TO THE ABDOMEN OF THE, UH, DECEASED.
UH, DIGITAL MESSAGES WERE FOUND FROM THE VICTIM FROM THE NIGHT BEFORE THAT REVEALED THE VICTIM DISCUSSING WHAT TO DO WITH HIS GUN IF HE EVER SHOT HIMSELF.
AND THEN ALSO MESSAGES WHAT APPEARED TO BE THE VICTIM DISCUSSING WHAT TO DO WITH HIS PETS.
UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS REVIEWED THE COMPLAINT AND THEY DETERMINED THAT THERE WERE NO, UH, VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES OR PROCEDURES AND NO INVESTIGATION WAS WARRANTED.
UM, OCP WE DID OUR PRELIMINARY REVIEW AND DID NOT FIND ANY, UH, EVIDENCE OF ANY VIOLATIONS OF DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES OR PROCEDURES.
ANY QUESTIONS? UH, CLARIFICATION FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? JUDGE LANDER DISTRICT EIGHT.
SO IN THIS CASE, THE OFFICE HAS, UH, MADE A DETERMINATION OR MADE A RECOMMENDATION.
IS THAT CORRECT, MADAM DIRECTOR?
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NO, AS WITH EVERY SINGLE CASE, WE REVIEW IT, THIS IS OUR INITIAL REVIEW AND WE INFORM YOU BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THAT WE HAVE REVIEWED SO FAR, BUT IT IS NOT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, SO.'CAUSE I'M SEEING HERE THE OCPO MM-HMM
CONCURS WITH THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION'S REVIEW.
WHICH IS NOT AN INVESTIGATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION? SO, UH, INVESTIGATOR, I KNOW IT SAYS HERE, THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT CONDUCTED A PRELIMINARY REVIEW AND FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF A VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES OR PROCEDURES.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? WHAT DID YOU NOT FIND, OR WHAT DID YOU FIND THAT WOULD THAT JUST DOING AN INITIAL REVIEW OF LIKE DEPLETION REPORT AND SOME, YOU KNOW, BODY-WORN CAMERA, YOU KNOW, JUST DOING THE PRELIMINARY INITIAL REVIEW OF THESE INCIDENT BASED ON THE COMPLAINT.
AND THERE WERE NO STANDOUT VIOLATIONS OF POLICY THAT WE OBSERVED IS, I KNOW IN HEARING, UH, MS. ROTH, THERE'S A CONCERN THAT IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN MISREPORTED THAT, UH, WHAT WAS DEEMED AS A SUICIDE MAY NOT BE ONE.
UH, AND, UH, DOES THIS, HOW DOES THAT FALL UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD BE THE ERROR IN THAT POLICY? WOULD IT BE A FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE? WHAT WOULD THAT ERROR BE? RIGHT.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION IS, IS TOUGH.
I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT WAS THERE A POLICY VIOLATION WHEN THEY MADE THAT DETERMINATION? DID THEY OVERLOOK, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUS EVIDENCE? DID THEY DISMISS STUFF WHEN THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE? UM, AND LIKE I SAID, JUST NOTHING STOOD OUT TO ME WHEN I MADE THOSE INITIAL REVIEWS.
ANY OTHER FURTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS OF CLARIFICATION? WHEN YOU MADE JUDGE LANDER, WHEN YOU MADE YOUR INITIAL REVIEW, WERE THERE ANY BODY-WORN CAMERAS, UH, THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT? YES.
UH, I'VE HEARD MS. ROSS INDICATE ROTH, EXCUSE ME, INDICATE THAT, UM, THERE WAS A CONVERSATION HELD BETWEEN THE DETECTIVE AND HER HUSBAND.
IS THAT ON THE BODY-WORN CAMERAS? I DID NOT VIEW ALL THE BODY-WORN CAMERA.
YEAH, JUST SO FOR, FOR CLARITY'S SAKE, UM, DETECTIVE CLARK CONCLUDED THAT HER SON'S DEATH WAS A SUICIDE WITHOUT CONDUCT CONDUCTING A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION.
SO THE CONFLICT FOR ME IS AN ACCIDENTAL DEATH VERSUS A SUICIDE AND THE DETERMINATION OF THAT.
VICE CHAIR SMITH, UH, OZZIE SMITH, DISTRICT ONE, UM, DETECTIVE IN JUST GENERAL PRACTICE, DOES THE DETECTIVE DETERMINE THE CAUSE OF DEATH OR THE CORONER? IT'S NORMALLY THE CORONER THAT'S MAKING THAT DETERMINATION.
SO IN THIS CASE, THE CORONER MADE A SUICIDE DETERMINATION? I HAVE NOT SEEN THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S REPORT, NO.
IT JUST, IT LISTED THAT WAY ON THE POLICE REPORT.
BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, MR. FRIEDMAN? UH, I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE FURTHER.
UM, SO I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
I HAVE NO ONE IF NO ONE ELSE DOES, BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING ABOUT WHY WHEN, UM, A MOTHER GOES TO THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT IN A CIRCUMSTANCE LIKE THIS AND ASKS DPD IF HER HUSBAND CAN PICK UP THE WEAPON.
AND DPD SAYS, NO, SORRY, THE PAPERWORK'S ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED.
UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WOULD BE A VERY EASY, UH, THING FOR DPD TO DO THAT COULD SAVE, UM, SOMEONE A LOT OF TROUBLE, POTENTIALLY A HEARTACHE, UM, AND POSSIBLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE.
SO IF THERE'S A REASON, IF THERE'S A LEGITIMATE REASON WHY IT WASN'T, WHY THAT PAPERWORK WASN'T CHANGED, THEN I'D BE INTERESTED TO HEAR ABOUT IT.
SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN LOOKING INTO THIS FURTHER TO EXPLORE THAT.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION FOR, UH, UH, A, UH, A MOTION TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION ON THIS CASE? BRANDON FRIEDMAN.
I MOVE THAT WE, UH, INVESTIGATE THIS CASE.
MR. MAPLES, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO A VOTE, ANY ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION?
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YES, MS. SMITH? TIM.MS. SMITH, DID YOU HAVE A, OH, OKAY.
SO FORGIVE ME IF I SOUND IGNORANT, BUT WHAT IS OUR MOTION GOING TO INVESTIGATE AGAIN? BECAUSE I, I HEARD COMMENTS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WASN'T NECESSARILY THE FOCUS OF OUR INITIAL INVESTIGATION.
ARE WE INVESTIGATING WHAT THE COMPLAINT IS? UH, IS IS ASKING US TO INVESTIGATE OR ARE WE ADDING MORE THINGS TO INVESTIGATE? OH, MR. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
IT IS A PART, IT IS ONE OF HER COMPLAINTS THAT'S LISTED ON HERE.
THERE IS TWO, UM, ONE IS, IT'S A CULMINATION OF EVERYTHING ON, ON THE INVESTIGATION IS GONNA BE EVERYTHING ON THERE.
SO IT, IT IS THE SECOND BULLET POINT THAT MR. FRIEDMAN WAS ADDRESSING, UH, WAS THE SECOND BULLET POINT IN HER REQUEST.
SO, YEAH, IT WOULD INCLUDE, UH, WHAT HE SAID WOULD INCLUDE IN THE INVESTIGATION THAT TAKES PLACE.
AND IT IS, IT'S IN PART OF THE, THE COMPLAINT.
SEEING THERE'S, UH, NO OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, OR COMMENTS, WE'LL NOW MOVE TO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
AND, UH, JUST LIKE THE LAST VOTE, IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF THE OFFICE CONDUCTING AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, THE VOTE WILL BE YAY.
IF YOU ARE OPPOSED TO THE OFFICE CONDUCTING AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, THE VOTE WILL BE NAY.
AND WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL, VOTE, AND THE MAJORITY WILL WIN.
THE OFFICE WILL CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, THE RESULTS AT A LATER TIME.
WE'LL NOW MOVE TO, UH, ANOTHER CASE WHERE WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE.
UH, YES, IT'S NOW TIME, UH, TO, TO HEAR, UH, BILLY ROBERTSON'S CASE, WHICH IS CASE NUMBER THREE.
AND, UH, WE'LL LISTEN TO MR. ROBERTSON.
MR. ROBERTSON, YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING MORE? I KNOW YOU HAD A TIME AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
ANYTHING MORE TO ADD OR HAVE YOU SAID WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY? YES.
UM, OH, YOU'RE GONNA COME UP, COME FORWARD.
JUST A BRIEF, A FEW MINUTES, UM, JUST TO, I KNOW IT HAPPENED EARLIER IN THE MEETING WHEN YOU SPOKE, BUT JUST GIVE A QUICK, QUICK, UH, BRIEF OVERVIEW AND THEN WE WILL, UH, HAND IT TO OUR INVESTIGATOR.
UH, I'M HOMELESS BECAUSE, UH, JUDGE, UH, WELL, I GOT MY FOURTH DWI ABOUT 20, 22 YEARS AGO, UH, FROM, UH, JUDGE AU.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO WORK MYSELF, GET MYSELF STRAIGHTENED OUT.
EVER SINCE THEN, I'VE BEEN SAVING ALL OF MY, MY STUFF I, MY, MY, MY TOOLS AND STUFF.
I HAVE MONEY SAVED UP TRYING TO, UH, GET MYSELF TOGETHER.
AND I PUT MY STUFF INTO THAT STORAGE AND THE PEOPLE STOLE MY STUFF AND I TOLD THE PEOPLE WHERE IT WAS AT.
I TOLD THE POLICE WHERE IT WAS AT, AND NOBODY SAID ANYTHING.
NEXT THING I KNOW, THEY SAID, UH, THE CASE HAD BEEN, UH, UH, SUSPENDED.
AND I WENT, UH, I WAS LOOKING, MY STEP WAS ON THE THIRD, ON THE SECOND FLOOR, ON THE THIRD FLOOR WHERE THE STEP WAS AT.
I FOUND A LETTER FROM MY BANK THAT SAID THAT, THAT MY, UH, UH, I HAD A, UH, CD THAT WAS GETTING READY TO GETTING READY TO, UH, UH, MATURE.
AND THIS IS AFTER THIS, AFTER THIS GOT UN UH, DONE, MOVED OUT.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, I KNOW THAT SOMETHING WENT WRONG, SOMETHING TERRIBLY WENT WRONG WITH THE PROCEDURE
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BECAUSE I ACTUALLY SAW THEM TAKE MY STUFF OUT OF THAT STORE UNIT A MONTH LATER AND PUT IT IN THE CAR.I SAW IT WITH MY OWN TWO EYES.
IT'S NOW TIME FOR US TO HEAR, UH, FROM THE INVESTIGATOR ON THIS CASE.
UH, THE FLOOR IS YOURS, INVESTIGATOR.
ON AUGUST 20TH, 2025, BILLY ROBERTSON SUBMITTED A COMPLAINT, UM, REFERENCE TWO BURGLARIES AT HIS STORAGE UNIT.
EACH BURGLARY IS ABOUT A WEEK APART, SO THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE INCIDENTS, SO TWO POLICE REPORTS.
AND HIS COMPLAINT WAS THAT DETECTIVE JANY FAILED TO CONDUCT A FOLLOW UP ON THIS CASE.
I REVIEWED BOTH POLICE REPORTS AND BOTH POLICE REPORTS INDICATE THAT THERE IS NO SUSPECT INFORMATION.
INTERNAL AFFAIRS DID THEIR PRELIMINARY REVIEW, AND THEY DETERMINED THAT THERE WAS NO VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND NO INVESTIGATION WAS WARRANTED.
UM, OCPO, WE DID OUR, UH, PRELIMINARY REVIEW, AND WE ALSO DID NOT FIND ANY VIOLATIONS OF DEPARTMENT POLICY.
BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION, ANY QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION ON THIS CASE? I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, ON THE, YES, MR. MAPLES ON THE COMPLAINT FORM HERE ON, ON THE, ON THE, UH, OCPO INDEPENDENT REVIEW, UM, COMPLAINT PAPERWORK, IT SAYS INCIDENT, IT SAYS LOCATION OF INCIDENT 5,000 MAPLE AVENUE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT I HAVE LISTED, YES.
UM, IS THAT WHERE THE STORAGE UNITS WERE SUPPOSEDLY, IS, IS THAT THE LOCATION OF THE STORAGE UNITS? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT, CORRECT? YES.
THE 5,000 BLOCK IN THE 5,000 BLOCK, YEAH.
YEAH, IT'S NOT THE EXACT ADDRESS.
YES, MR. FREEMAN, BRANDON FREEMAN, DISTRICT 14.
UH, JUST TO, I'M TRYING TO GET CLARITY ON WHAT THE COMPLAINT HERE IS.
SO A RESIDENT CALLS THE POLICE SAYS THEY'VE HAD PROPERTY STOLEN, AND THEN WHAT DID THE POLICE DO? THEY CAME OUT AND TOOK A REPORT.
AND THAT WAS, THEY DIDN'T, BUT THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW UP ON IT.
WELL, ACCORDING TO THE REPORT, THERE IS NO SUSPECT INFORMATION TO FOLLOW UP ON.
SO IT'S A REPORT OF, UM, THE VICTIM ARRIVES AT THE STORAGE UNIT.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY FORCED ENTRY THAT THEY OBSERVED AND ITEMS WERE MISSING FROM WITHIN INSIDE.
I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT HOW THAT PROCEDURE WORKS AT THAT POINT, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
DO YOU THINK YOU CAN SHED LIGHT ON REGARDING THAT INVESTIGATOR? UH, WHAT THE, WHAT THE PROCEDURE COULD BE, OR, OR IF, I GUESS WITHOUT ANY ID OF ANY SUSPECTS THERE'S NOTHING THEY COULD DO.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I CAN SPECULATE ON WHAT MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN, WHICH HAS BEEN, WHEN YOU HAVE A REPORT LIKE THIS WITH NO SUSPECT INFORMATION, IT DOES GO INTO SUSPENSE, WHICH MEANS IT'S THERE UNTIL, UH, INFORMATION COMES TO YOU.
SO AGAIN, SO IF A PERSON GETS ARRESTED A MONTH DOWN THE ROAD AND THAT PERSON ADMITS TO DOING THESE, THESE BURGLARIES, THEN THAT CASE WOULD THEN BE OPENED UP AGAIN.
UM, JULIA SIMON, DISTRICT 13? YES.
UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS, UM, IF THERE WAS ANY EVIDENCE OF SECURITY CAMERAS OR ANYTHING IN THE STORAGE FACILITY AND IF THEY WERE VIEWED OR NOT, THEY DIDN'T FIND ANY EVIDENCE.
I CAN'T RECALL IF THE CAMERAS DIDN'T WORK OR IF THERE WAS NOTHING ON THEM.
JUDGE LANDY DISTRICT, UH, ATE, I HEARD, UM, MR. ROBERTSON SAY THAT HE HAD, UH, TOLD THE INVESTIGATING OFFICER WHO THE SUSPECT WAS.
DID YOU, DID ANYBODY ELSE HEAR THAT? UH, IS THAT, SO YOU'RE SAYING NO SUSPECT INFORM INFORMATION REPORTED? THAT CONCERNS ME.
AND DID YOU INVESTIGATOR HAVE ANY ACCESS TO ANY BODY CAM FOOTAGE WITH THIS PARTICULAR CASE, OR IS THAT, WILL THAT HAPPEN WITH THE, UH, I DID REVIEW BODY-WORN CAMERA OF THE PATROL OFFICERS THAT TOOK THE ORIGINAL REPORT, YES.
UH, TO YOUR RECOLLECTION, WAS IT THE IDENTITY OF THE SUSPECTS MENTIONED? RIGHT.
THERE'S NO SUSPECT INFORMATION MENTIONED ON THE BODY-WORN CAMERA BOARD MEMBER BA OH, YES.
MR. UH, BOARD MEMBER BA THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
UH, ANOTHER QUESTION RELATED TO THE SUSPECT.
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LIKE HE LATER SAID THAT THE MANAGER OF THE STORAGE UNIT WAS INVOLVED.SO WAS DO WE HAVE ANY INDICATION THAT THAT WAS FOLLOWED UP ON, OR WAS NOTHING DONE ON THAT? I HAVE NO INFORMATION WHETHER THAT WAS FOLLOWED UP ON OR NOT.
DID YOU HEAR THAT? UH, MR. BAUGH THE RESPONSE? OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION? I DO.
DID YOU SAY THAT, UM, OR DID WE KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY CAMERAS THERE AT THIS STORAGE FACILITY OR ANYWHERE AROUND THAT AREA? I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY MIND AROUND THIS BECAUSE I KNOW THE STORAGE, I KNOW THE AREA, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, UM, HOW MUCH DUE DILIGENCE WAS REALLY DONE BY THE OFFICER THAT SHOWED UP.
LIKE, LIKE I SAID, I CAN'T RECALL IF THE CAMERAS WEREN'T WORKING OR IF THERE WERE CAMERAS THAT DID NOT REVEAL ANY INFORMATION.
WE CAN, UM, ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS CASE.
AND AGAIN, UM, A MOTION, IF I COULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CONDUCT THIS INDEPENDENT REVIEW.
UH, THEN, UH, A SECOND, THEN WE'LL HAVE SOME TIME FOR DISCUSSION.
AND, UH, THEN WE CAN VOTE TO APPROVE AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, OR WE CAN VOTE TO NOT HAVE AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION TO, UH, TO FAIL TO HAVE THE MOTION, UH, FAIL FOR INDEPENDENT REVIEW.
MR. ROBERTSON? YEAH, WE, UH, UH, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO CLARIFY? YEAH, IF, IF POSSIBLE.
LET'S DO IT REALLY QUICK, JUST BECAUSE WE ENTERTAIN TIME.
THIS IS, UH, WANNA GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY, BUT, UH, MAKE A QUICK, PLEASE.
I HAVE VIDEO WHERE I TOOK, WHERE I WENT DOWN THERE, WHERE THE, THE, THE GUY WHO HAD STOLEN THE STUFF, HE HAD TOOK THE LOCK OFF OF THE, THE VA THE, THE, UH, THE UNIT NEXT TO HIS, I'M ASSUMING HE TOOK THE LOCK OFF THE STORE MORE.
HE HAD TOO MUCH STUFF TO GO IN THAT ONE UNIT, AND HE TOOK THE LOCK OFF THE OTHER UNIT EXACTLY THE SAME WAY THE, THE LOCK WAS TAKEN OFF MY UNIT.
SO YOU, YOU SAY YOU HAVE A VIDEO OF THIS? YEAH, I HAVE A VIDEO.
I, I, I, I SUBMITTED THE VIDEO TO, TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND DOES OCPO HAVE SEEN, HAVE YOU SEEN THIS VIDEO? I HAVE NOT SEEN THE VIDEO.
WELL, UH, ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION BEFORE I ENTERTAIN A MOTION? YEAH, I, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S MORE INFORMATION I NEED, SO, YEAH, I, I THINK, YEAH, I THINK I NEED MORE INFORMATION.
DO YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION HERE, JACKSON? FULL MOTION TO, UH, UH, FURTHER THE INVESTIGATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
THERE'S BEEN A MOTION MADE BY BOARD MEMBER JACKSON.
IS THERE A SECOND? JENNY KING.
IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY JENNY KING BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO A VOTE, ANY DISCUSSION? SO WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER ROLL CALL, VOTE, AND, UH, WE'LL GO DISTRICT BY DISTRICT.
AND IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF THE OCPO, CONDUCTING AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, THE VOTE WILL BE YES.
IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THE OFFICE CONDUCTING AN, AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, AND, UH, THE VOTE WILL BE NO.
AND, UH, THE MAJORITY WILL, WILL CARRY.
UH, DISTRICT ONE, OZZIE SMITH.
DISTRICT THREE, DISTRICT THREE.
SO INVESTIGATOR, WE GOT THREE ALREADY,
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BUT WE GOT TWO MORE.CAN WE REQUEST BACK TO, I'M SORRY.
CAN WE ALSO REQUEST THAT WE GET TO SEE THE VIDEO THAT HE SENT IN? I BELIEVE, UH, THAT WILL BE, IF, IF THE INVESTIGATION THEY HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
UH, THE, UM, WE SHARED A LINK.
UM, WE USUALLY SEND AN EMAIL OUT WITH THE LINK TO THE, THE FILE THAT HAS THE POLICE REPORT AND ALL AVAILABLE INFORMATION.
SO IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING THAT, LET ME KNOW SO I CAN MAKE SURE STAFF MAKE SURE YOU'RE ON THAT LIST.
UM, THE ONLY THING IS THAT YOU NEED TO SIGN INTO YOUR CITY OF DALLAS EMAILS TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE SHAREPOINT.
YOU CAN'T ACCESS IT USING A PERSONAL EMAIL.
THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT BE, MIGHT BE THE ISSUE.
SO, JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, WITH THE RESULTS OF THIS INVESTIGATION, WE AS A BOARD WILL HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THE VIDEOS THAT THE INVESTIGATOR SEES, OR ARE THERE OTHER VIDEOS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO? WELL RESHARE THE, THE CASE FILE WHEN WE, WHEN IT COMES BACK UP FOR A VOTE ON THE AGENDA.
SO PRIOR, IF, IF THIS CASE IS ON THE AGENDA PRIOR TO THAT MEETING, WE'LL ALL RECEIVE, UH, AN EMAIL WHERE AT THE SHAREPOINT WE HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THE VIDEOS, UH, THAT WE CAN.
SO WE'LL BE PREPARED WHENEVER THE, UH, THIS INVESTIGATION COMES BACK UP IN THE AGENDA.
RIGHT? I NORMALLY UPLOAD THE, UH, RELEVANT VIDEOS.
AND THIS IS MICHAEL POLSKY, THE FLOOR, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZED AS INVESTIGATOR HUFF WITH, UH, CASE NUMBER ONE FOR INDEPENDENT REVIEW.
THIS IS THE MICHAEL POLSKY COMPLAINT.
ON AUGUST 1ST, 2025, MICHAEL POLSKY SUBMITTED A COMPLAINT TO THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, REGARDING INCIDENT FROM JULY 25TH, 2025, UH, REGARDING A DISTURBANCE BETWEEN HIM AND HIS 13-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER.
UM, AFTER THE POLICE RESPONSE, HE SUBMITTED THIS COMPLAINT AS ALLEGATIONS WERE OFFICERS PLACED POLSKY'S CHILD IN THE CARE OF A STRANGER.
OFFICERS REFUSED POLSKY'S REQUEST TO HAVE HIS CHILD SENT TO THE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL FOR A PSYCHOTIC EPISODE.
OFFICERS REFUSED TO TELL POLSKY WHERE HIS CHILD WAS TAKEN TO, AND OFFICERS DID NOT RECOGNIZE POLSKY AS THE CONSERVATOR OF HIS CHILD.
UM, THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION REFERRED THIS TO THE PATROL DIVISION TO DO A DIVISION REFERRAL INVESTIGATION.
THIS IS WHERE THE, UH, UM, THE SUPERVISOR DOWN AT THE DIVISION LEVEL DOES AN INVESTIGATION IN LIEU OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION DOING THE INVESTIGATION.
UH, LIEUTENANT VERHALEN DID THIS INVESTIGATION.
HE INTERVIEWED MICHAEL POLSKY.
HE ALSO INTERVIEWED THE SERGEANT AT THE SCENE OF THIS INCIDENT, ALONG WITH FIVE OFFICERS.
UH, HE REVIEWED BODY-WORN CAMERA AND WROTE A REPORT ON IT.
HE ALSO INTERVIEWED, UM, AGENT POER OF TEXAS CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES.
AFTER CONDUCTING HIS INVESTIGATION, LIEUTENANT VERHALEN CONCLUDED THAT, UM, IT WAS UNFOUNDED.
THE COMPLAINT WAS UNFOUNDED, WAS HIS, UH, FINDING, UM, AND THEN A REPORT FROM THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND PROTECTIVE SERVICES.
THEY DID AN INVESTIGATION INTO ALLEGATIONS OF MEDICAL NEGLECT AND PHYSICAL ABUSE FROM THE INCIDENT BACK ON JULY 25TH.
AND THEIR FINDING WAS RULED OUT.
A FINDING OF RULED OUT MEANS IT WAS REASONABLE TO CONCLUDE THAT THE ALLEGED ABUSE OR NEGLECT DID NOT OCCUR.
UM, WE DID OUR PRELIMINARY REVIEW, AND AFTER REVIEWING THE, UH, REPORTS, WE DID NOT FIND ANY VIOLATIONS OF DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT POLICY.
DID YOU READ, OR DID YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE INVESTIGATION REPORT BY LIEUTENANT VERHALEN? YES.
SO YOU READ THAT THE WHOLE REPORT THAT HE CONDUCTED? YES.
AND HE TALKED TO THE SERGEANT FIVE OFFICERS AND LOOKED AT THE BODY-WORN CAMERA? CORRECT.
AND THEN ALSO THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY PROTECTIVE SERVICES, THEY ALSO INVESTIGATED THIS? THAT IS CORRECT.
DID YOU HAVE, DID YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR REPORT OR? YES.
AND, UH, I ASSUME THESE TWO ENTITIES ARE SEPARATE? CORRECT.
DID THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION FOR THIS CASE AS THE SMITH DISTRICT ONE, UH, DETECTIVE HUFF? MAYBE I MISSED IT.
CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY WHAT, WHAT TRANSPIRED? UH, I DON'T KNOW.
'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE COMPLAINANT IS SAYING THAT HIS DAUGHTER WAS HAVING AN EPISODE WHERE THE POLICE CALLED TO A SITUATION, AN ARGUMENT, A SCUFFLE, OR, YEAH, IT WAS AN ARGUMENT, THE BACKGROUND BETWEEN HIM AND HIS DAUGHTER, AND THAT HE ENDED UP SLAPPING HIS DAUGHTER.
SO THAT WAS THE, UH, ALLEGATION
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OF THE PHYSICAL ABUSE.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION FROM THE BOARD? JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT.
UM, THE SPECIFIC ALLEGATION THAT THE OFFICER PLACED HIS CHILD IN THE CURE OF A STRANGER, DID YOU GET ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THAT? UM, WHAT I RECALL IS THEY WERE ARRESTING MICHAEL POLSKY AT THE TIME.
THEY, OR AT LEAST THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO ARREST HIM.
UM, SO THEY PLACED THE CHILD WITH A FRIEND OF THE MOTHERS OF THE CHILD UNTIL THE MOTHER WAS AVAILABLE TO TAKE THE CHILD.
WAS THERE ANY, UM, EVIDENCE OR ANYTHING THAT STATED THE, THE DAUGHTER MAY HAVE HAD SOME MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES? YEAH, SHE HAD PRIOR MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.
BUT IN THE POLICE REPORT, THEY INDICATED THAT NOTHING ROSE TO THE LEVEL OF, UM, SELF-HARM AT THAT TIME.
ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION BEFORE I ENTERTAIN A MOTION? YEAH, I DO.
DID YOU, DID YOU SAY THAT THE FATHER DID NOT HAVE CUSTODY? NO.
SO IT APPEARS THIS TEENAGER LIVED WITH HER MOTHER AND FATHER.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE TEENAGER PRIMARY CUSTODY WAS WITH THE FATHER.
PRIMARY CUSTODY WAS WITH THE FATHER, BUT HAS STAYED WITH THE MOTHER, UHHUH
I THINK THE FATHER'S STATEMENT IS THAT HE HAS FULL CUSTODY, AND SO SHE WAS HAVING A, AN EPISODE, BUT SHE WAS, IT APPEARS IN FROM PRIOR EPISODES, SHE WAS NO DANGER TO HERSELF.
AND SO, WHICH THE POLICE MADE THAT DETERMINATION AT THE SCENE THAT SHE WAS NOT A DANGER TO HERSELF? CORRECT? YEAH.
WHICH, WHICH, WHICH MAKES ME BELIEVE SHE WAS PROBABLY CUSSING AND SCREAMING AND DOING WHATEVER IT WAS IN ORDER FOR HIM TO SLAP HER.
THERE'S SOME KIND OF ARGUMENT.
I DON'T HAVE ALL THE, THE DETAILS ON THAT.
AND THEN THAT SLAP IS WHAT MADE DPD DECIDE THEY WERE GOING TO ARREST THIS GEN, THE FATHER.
THAT WAS THEIR INITIAL THOUGHT OF ARRESTING 'EM.
THAT'S WHY THEY HAD TO FIGURE OUT HOW, WHAT TO DO WITH THE CHILD.
UH, BUT THEN THEY LATER CONCLUDED THAT NO CRIME OCCURRED AND THEY DID NOT ARREST HIM.
SO WOULD IT BE THAT NO CRIME OCCURRED BECAUSE THE FATHER WAS DISCIPLINED? HIS DAUGHTER WOULD SLAP THAT IS THE CONCLUSION THEY MADE? YES.
SO, WHO CALLED THE POLICE OFFICERS WHO CALLED 9 1 1 TO REPORT THIS? I BELIEVE THERE WERE THREE POLICE REPORTS DONE IN A SMALL SHORT OF TIME, AND I BELIEVE THE MOTHER IS THE FIRST ONE.
WHO, WHO STARTED THE REPORTING? MS. SIMON.
WAS THE DAUGHTER TAKEN AWAY OR NOT? LIKE, IF, IF HE WASN'T ARRESTED, THEN WHY WAS THE DAUGHTER, WHAT, WHAT DID THE POLICE HAVE TO DO WITH THE DAUGHTER BEING ANYWHERE? THAT'S THE PART I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
AT THIS POINT, THE POLICE WERE GOING TO ARREST THE FATHER.
SO THEN THEY MADE ARRANGEMENTS OF WHAT TO DO WITH THE DAUGHTER.
AND THEN THEY, BEFORE THEY TRANSPORTED THE FATHER FOR BOOKING, THEY DETERMINED THAT NO CRIME OCCURRED.
OH, SO THEY DID TAKE HIM TO THE POLICE STATION? NO, THEY JUST, NO, I'M, NO, I'M SAYING THEY WERE GOING TO ARREST HIM.
SO THEY MADE ARRANGEMENTS FOR THE DAUGHTER TO BE PLACED, AND THEN THEY MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT THE FATHER DID NOT COMMIT A CRIME, AND THEY RELEASED HIM.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DAUGHTER IF HE NEVER LEFT.
LIKE, DID THE DAUGHTER GET TAKEN AWAY WHILE THEY WERE STILL DEALING WITH IT, OR, THAT'S WHAT I CAN'T FIGURE OUT.
SO THEY, THEY BELIEVE THEY'RE GONNA ARREST THE FATHER.
SO NOW THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHAT TO DO WITH THE DAUGHTER.
SO THEY GET THE FRIEND TO PICK UP THE DAUGHTER, AND WHO'S GONNA MEET UP WITH THE MOTHER LATER ON.
AND THEN THEY GO BACK TO DEAL WITH THE FATHER.
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THAT DETERMINATION THAT NO CRIME OCCURRED, BUT THE DAUGHTER LEFT WITH THE CORRECT.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION? WELL, IF I COULD ENTERTAIN A, A MOTION TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION AND, UH, A MOTION, UH, THAT'S SECONDED.
AND IF WE, AS A BOARD DETERMINE THAT THERE'S NO INVESTIGATION NECESSARY, THEN WE'LL ALL VOTE NO.
IF WE DO FEEL THAT IT'S NECESSARY, WE'LL VOTE YES.
BUT, UH, IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION TO ENTERTAIN, TO, UH, ENTERTAIN A, AN INVESTIGATION.
COULD I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? OF COURSE.
UH, MARY ELLEN SMITH, DISTRICT 11.
SO THE COMPLAINT SAYS THAT THE OFFICERS PLACED POLSKY'S CHILD IN THE CARE OF A STRANGER.
HE IS THE FATHER MAKING THIS COMPLAINT.
BUT THE CHILD WAS NEVER IN THE STRANGER'S CUSTODY.
CORRECT? I THINK HE'S REFERRING TO THIS PERSON, KNOWN TO THE MOTHER AS A STRANGER.
AND HOW LONG WAS THE CHILD IN CUSTODY WITH THAT STRANGER? I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW.
I THINK WE NEED MORE INVESTI MORE INFORMATION ON THIS CASE, AND THEREFORE I WOULD MOVE THAT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION BE CONDUCTED BY THE OFFICE.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO, IS THERE A SECOND? JONATHAN MAPLES.
JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO.
THERE'S BEEN A MOTION MADE BY JUDGE LANDERS, SECONDED BY JONATHAN MAPLES.
BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE, ANY DISCUSSION AMONGST THE BOARD SEEN? THERE'S NONE.
WE WILL, UH, MOVE TO A ROLL CALL.
VOTE IF, UH, YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF THE OFFICE CONDUCTING AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION ON THIS CASE.
IF YOU ARE OPPOSED TO THE OFFICE CONDUCTING AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, THEN THE APPROPRIATE RESPONSE IS NO OR NAY.
AND, UH, THE MAJORITY WILL CARRY DISTRICT ONE OZZIE SMITH.
DISTRICT TWO, JONATHAN MAPLES.
DISTRICT THREE, CHAGA HIGGINS.
TIM JACKSON, DISTRICT SEVEN? YES.
JULIA SIMON, DISTRICT 13? YES.
DISTRICT 15, JOHN MARK DAVIDSON.
MY VOTE IS NO, BUT THE MOTION PASSES.
THIS IS INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
UM, ALRIGHT, WELL, WE'LL GO TO THE FINAL CASE, WHICH IS DARIA PLZ.
AND, UM, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES, UH, THE INVESTIGATOR AT ANY TIME TO, UH, TO GIVE US AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW OF THIS CASE.
ON JULY 31ST, 2025, DARIA PLOT SUBMITTED A COMPLAINT TO THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, AND MADE THE FOLLOWING ALLEGATIONS AGAINST OFFICERS S CEGA AND MOHAMMAD.
UM, AND THIS COMPLAINT IS REFERENCED, A FAMILY VIOLENCE ARREST WHERE SHE WAS ARRESTED FOR FAMILY VIOLENCE.
UM, SHE COMPLAINED THAT OFFICERS FAILED TO ASK HER FOR HER SIDE OF THE STORY.
PRIOR TO ARRESTING HER, THE OFFICERS COERCED HER INTO AGREEING TO PLACE HER CHILD WITH HER ABUSER, AND OFFICERS PERFORMED AN ILLEGAL SEARCH OF HER PERSON AND AN ILLEGAL SEIZURE OF HER CHILDREN FROM HER HOME.
UM, A REVIEW OF THE POLICE REPORT SHOWED THAT, UH, MACKENZIE INGRAM CALLED THE POLICE AND REPORTED THAT HIS CHILD'S MOTHER, WHICH IS DARIA PLOTS, HAD JUST ASSAULTED HIM.
OFFICERS LOCATED PLOTS DRIVING IN HER VEHICLE.
UM, PLOTS WAS SUBSEQUENTLY ARRESTED FOR FAMILY VIOLENCE AFTER BEING ARRESTED.
PLOTS SUBMITTED THAT HER CHILDREN, WHICH WERE AGES EIGHT YEARS, SIX YEARS, AND SIX MONTHS HAD BEEN LEFT HOME ALONE.
THE 8-YEAR-OLD AND 6-YEAR-OLD WERE RELEASED TO THE CARE OF CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES.
AND THE SIX MONTH OLD WAS RELEASED TO THEIR FATHER, WHICH IS THE COMPLAINANT.
AND PLOTS WAS ALSO ARRESTED FOR ABANDONING HER CHILDREN AND FOR A OUTSTANDING TRAFFIC WARRANT THAT SHE HAD.
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THAT WHEN OFFICERS STOPPED DARIA PLOTS, THEY ASKED HER WHAT HAD HAPPENED AND SHE, UM, TOOK THE FIFTH AMENDMENT.SHE STATED SHE WAS GOING TO, UM, EXERCISE HER FIFTH AMENDMENT RIGHT.
UM, OFFICERS PLACED HER IN CUSTODY FOR FAMILY VIOLENCE.
THEY SEARCHED HER INCIDENT TO AN ARREST.
AND THEN AFTER SHE WAS ARRESTED, THEY LEARNED THAT HER CHILDREN WERE HOME ALONE.
AND THEY WENT TO HER HOME AND, AND GOT THE CHILDREN INTERNAL AFFAIRS CONDUCTED THEIR, THEIR PRELIMINARY REVIEW, AND THEY DETERMINED THAT THERE WAS NO VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES OR PROCEDURES, AND THEREFORE NO INVESTIGATION WAS WARRANTED.
UM, OCPO ALSO CONDUCTED THEIR PRELIMINARY REVIEW AND DID NOT FIND ANY VIOLATIONS OF DEPARTMENTAL POLICY OR PROCEDURES.
I KNOW, UH, ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS IS THE OFFICER COER, THE OFFICERS COERCED HER INTO AGREEING TO PLACE HER CHILD WITH HER ABUSER.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? SHE'S REFERRING TO HER ABUSER AS HER, UM, AS THE FATHER OF THE CHILD, WHICH IS THE COMPLAINANT IN THIS SITUATION.
UM, MCKENZIE INGRAM IS THE COMPLAINANT AND ALSO FATHER OF THE SIX MONTH OLD CHILD.
UM, HE'S THE ONE WHO CLAIMED THAT HE WAS ASSAULTED BY DARIO PLOTZ.
UM, I KNOW IN HER COMPLAINT SHE MENTIONS THAT TO HER ABUSER, BUT SHE DID NOT GIVE A STATEMENT INDICATING WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO HER.
'CAUSE SHE TOOK THE, UM, SHE CHOSE TO REMAIN SILENT.
SO, UH, MCKENZIE INGRAM, UH, HE CALLED THE POLICE ON DARIA PLOTS.
AND THE POLICE SEE HER PLATES PULL HER OVER, AND, UH, AND THEN THEY REALIZE THAT HER KIDS WERE AT HOME BY THEMSELF.
SO HOW IS SHE SAYING THAT THE KIDS WERE WITH HER ABUSER? DID THE POLICE END UP CALLING MCKENZIE? YEAH.
SO AFTER THEY FIND THE KIDS ALONE, THEY, LIKE I SAID, THEY SENT THE TWO OLDER KIDS TO CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES.
BUT INGRAM, UH, MCKENZIE INGRAM IS THE FATHER OF THE SIX MONTH OLD CHILD.
SO THEY RELEASED THE SIX MONTH OLD TO THE, THE FATHER.
AND, UH, MACKENZIE CALLED THE POLICE ON DARIA SAYING THAT SHE ABUSED HIM.
BUT SHE'S NOW SAYING THAT HE ABUSED HER.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE? SEEING THERE'S NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
IT DOESN'T APPEAR THERE ARE ANYBODY ONLINE.
UH, IS THERE A MOTION FROM THE BOARD TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW? AND AGAIN, UH, BY MAKING A MOTION, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE NEED, WE NEED TO DO IT, BUT THIS IS THE, THE PROCESS.
'CAUSE WE CAN ALSO VOTE IT DOWN.
BUT I, I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION FOR PROCESS PURPOSES.
UH, THAT WE HAVE THE INVESTIGATION.
THERE'S BEEN A MOTION MADE BY DISTRICT 13, MS. SIMON, IS THERE A SECOND FOR PROCESS PURPOSES? JUDGE LANDAIR? I WILL SECOND IT.
BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE, ANY DISCUSSION AMONGST THE BOARD? YEAH, I GOT A, I GOT A, SO I'M LOOKING, I'M LOOKING AT THE COMPLAINT HERE.
AND, UH, BODY WORN CAMERA SHOWS THAT SHE PLED THE FIFTH, RIGHT? YES.
SO THE ALLEGATION OF OFFICER FAILED TO ASK HER, HER SIDE OF THE STORY GOES OUT THE WINDOW.
THE OFFICER COERCED HER TO AGREEING TO PLACE HER CHILD WITH ABUSER.
IT WAS ACTUALLY THE CHILD'S FATHER.
NOW HE WASN'T THE FATHER OF THE OTHER TWO CHILDREN, RIGHT? HE WAS NOT THE FATHER OF THE OTHER TWO CHILDREN.
WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE OTHER TWO CHILDREN? THEY WENT TO CPS? YES.
ANY OTHER ITEMS OF DISCUSSION AMONGST THE BOARD BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE? SEEING THERE'S NONE, WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
AND IF YOU AGREE THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, THE VOTE'S YES.
DISTRICT TWO, JONATHAN MAPLES.
DISTRICT FIVE, BRIAN BA, DISTRICT FIVE, MAY DISTRICT SEVEN.
I HAVE A POINT OF PROCEDURE, UH, A QUESTION OF THE, TO THE ATTORNEY, UH, COUNSEL, AM I ALLOWED TO VOTE NO.
TO A MOTION THAT I MADE? OOH, THAT'S
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A GOOD QUESTION.YOU CAN VOTE NO, BUT YOU CANNOT SPEAK AGAINST IT.
UH, JUDGE VICTOR LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT.
NO, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, JUDGE.
AND WE NEED TO KNOW THESE THINGS.
DISTRICT 10, UH, DISTRICT 10, JENNY, KING, NAY.
NO, THE MOTION FAILS UNANIMOUSLY.
THERE'LL BE NO INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION ON THIS CASE FROM THE AGE OF THE COMPLAINTS.
SO NOW I LEARNED NOW, THANK YOU, DIRECTOR.
THAT I GUESS THE, UH, THE REASON FOR THE ORDER WAS BASED ON CHRONOLOGY.
IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, WE JUST BLEW THAT OUTTA THE WATER.
SO ANYWAY, BUT WE, WE DID EVERY, HEY, WE, WE, WE WENT THROUGH IT.
UH, AND, UH, BUT NEXT TIME, I APPRECIATE LETTING ME KNOW ABOUT THAT.
WE HAD SOME PEOPLE, NICE PEOPLE HERE, WANTED TO MAKE SURE, UH, THEY WEREN'T HERE LONGER THAN THEY NEEDED TO BE.
UH, WELL, I THINK WE, UH, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, INVESTIGATOR BEFORE WE, UH, LET YOU GO? YOU DID A GOOD JOB, BY THE WAY.
MR. CHAIRMAN? MR. CHAIRMAN? OH, YES, MR. FREEMAN.
I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE OF THIS.
UM, 'CAUSE I THINK THAT THIS MAY MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE BOARD TO HANDLE THESE THINGS.
UM, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS TONIGHT ON THESE CASES, MORE THAN WE USUALLY DO.
WE'RE VOTING TO DO MORE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS THAN WE USUALLY DO.
THE, THE VARIABLE, THE THING THAT HAS CHANGED IS THAT THE PACKETS NO LONGER CONTAIN THE INFORMATION WE USED TO HAVE.
AND WE'RE NOT SEEING THE VIDEOS.
NOW, OCPO HAS SENT THIS STUFF OUT.
UM, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, AND EVEN IN THE PAST, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE DIDN'T WATCH 'EM.
BUT WE WOULD SHOW THE VIDEOS IN THE MEETINGS AND WE WOULD HAVE ALL THE, THE DOCUMENTATION FROM EACH CASE IN THE BINDER FOR THE MEETINGS.
AND IT PRESENTED BOARD MEMBERS WITH A LOT MORE INFORMATION WITH WHICH WE COULD FOR, WITH WHICH WE, WHICH WE COULD USE TO MAKE OUR DECISIONS.
SO IT SEEMS RIGHT NOW, LIKE WE'RE A LOT MORE BLIND TO THESE CASES.
AND SO WE'RE NEEDING MORE INFORMATION.
SO NOW WE'RE PUTTING, NOW WE'RE ASKING OCPO TO CONDUCT MORE INVESTIGATIONS, WHICH IS PUTTING HIGHER BURDEN, A WORK BURDEN ON THEM.
UM, WHEN I THINK WE COULD ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THIS, IF WE ALL EITHER HAD REVIEWED THE PACKETS OR WATCHED THE VIDEOS IN ADVANCE, OR WE DID, LIKE WE USED TO DO, WE COULD READ IT IN HERE AND WATCH THE VIDEO WITH THE RELEVANT PORTIONS IN HERE IN THE MEETING.
BUT I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THIS UNCERTAINTY.
'CAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF US VOTED TO INVESTIGATE.
'CAUSE WE NEED, WE NEEDED MORE INFORMATION.
WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T SEE IT OR KNOW ABOUT IT.
SO, YEAH, I, I SEE THE DIRECTOR RIGHT NOW TAKING NOTES, SO YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AND MAKE SURE, UH, WHAT WE CAN DO FOR NEXT MEETING.
AND I, AND, AND I CAN, I CAN TALK TO ANYBODY AFTER THE MEETING ABOUT HOW WE USED TO DO STUFF.
UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH, INVESTIGATOR.
UH, NOW WE'LL MOVE TO, UH, THE MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORTS ATTACHED TO YOUR BINDERS OR THE MONTHLY ARREST REPORTS, ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT REPORTS FOR OCTOBER.
IF YOU COULD, UH, TAKE THE NEXT FEW MINUTES TO REVIEW, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THESE REPORTS, UH, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ADDRESS THEM AT THIS TIME.
AND, UH, THIS IS TAB NUMBER FOUR.
SO ON YOUR BINDERS TAB FOUR, YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE ARRESTS BY ADDRESS AND COUNCIL DISTRICT, AND YOU CAN TURN THE PAGES THERE.
SO IF THE BOARD WANTS TO TAKE A FEW SECONDS, A MINUTE OR TWO, UH, TO LOOK AT THIS, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE WILL ENTERTAIN THOSE.
IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
UM, I JUST WANT TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET, IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO REPORT, UM, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN THE DIRECTOR WAS UP THERE FOR, FOR THE, UH, FOR THE ARREST RECORDS, AS IT, AS IT OPPOSED TO, UM, POLICE BEING CALLED VERSUS, YOU KNOW, UM, OTHER REASONS WHY POLICE HAVE SOMEONE IN CUSTODY.
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JUST GET A CLARIFICATION.JUST TO CLARIFY, SO YOU WANTED, UH, 9 1 1 CALLS, UM, THAT LEADS TO ARREST VERSUS SELF-INITIATED INTERACTIONS BY OFFICERS, CORRECT? THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS ASKING.
AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOR BY COUNCIL DISTRICT OR PATROL DIVISION? A COUNCIL DISTRICT.
WELL, WHICHEVER ONE IS MORE CONVENIENT, AND BECAUSE EITHER ONE IS GONNA COME OUT AND WASH.
AND THEN, UM, WHAT, UM, I GUESS HOW MANY YEARS ARE YOU LOOKING? WHAT'S THE, THE RANGE? I MEAN, JUST THE LAST COUPLE YEARS WILL BE FINE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO, JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY MIND AROUND THOSE NUMBERS.
BECAUSE I, I KNOW HE SAID THAT THE, THE NUMBERS ARE HIGHER.
AND DID HE SAY NORTHEAST? NORTHEAST? YEAH.
SO I GUESS THAT WOULD BE FIVE POINTS AND AREAS SOUTH.
SEEING THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS AGENDA ITEM, WE'LL MOVE NOW TO AGENDA ITEM C NINE, WHICH IS THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT REPORT WITH MS. ALMA PEREZ.
THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE OCPO SENIOR OUTREACH, UH, ALMA PEREZ, AND SHE'LL NOW GIVE SOME UPDATES ON THE OFFICE'S COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS AND COMMUNITY ATTENDEES.
I'M PLEASED TO PRESENT THE OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT REPORT FOR THE MONTH OF OCTOBER ON BEHALF OF OUR OFFICE IN OCTOBER.
IT WAS A BUSY AND PRODUCTIVE MONTH FILLED WITH OPPORTUNITIES TO CONNECT WITH THE COMMUNITY, STRENGTHEN PARTNERSHIPS, AND ADVANCE OUR MISSION OF TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND TRUST.
ONE OF THE MONTH'S SIGNATURE EVENTS WAS THE FOURTH ANNUAL D LOLAS 5K CANCER AWARENESS WALK, HEALTH AND SAFETY FAIR, HOSTED BY D LOLAS, A LOCAL NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION COMMITTED TO CANCER AWARENESS AND COMMUNITY WELLNESS.
THIS YEAR'S EVENT DREW MORE THAN 2000 ATTENDEES AND FEATURED COLLABORATION AMONG THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S, NORTHWEST DIVISION, NEIGHBORHOOD PATROL OFFICERS, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICE OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS, AND NUMEROUS COMMUNITY PARTNERS.
SOME OF THE VENDORS INCLUDED, INCLUDED PARKLAND BREAST HEALTH PROGRAM, HHM HEALTH, THE FAMILY PLACE, UH, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SHELTER, AND MANY OTHER LOCAL HEALTH AND WELLNESS ORGANIZATIONS.
THE FAIR OFFERED VITAL HEALTH RESOURCES AND FAMILY SERVICES, WHILE ENCOURAGING POSITIVE INTERACTIONS BETWEEN RESIDENTS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.
UM, OUR STAFF PROVIDED EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS, DISCUSSED THE COMPLAINT AND COMMENDATION PROCESSES, AND STRENGTHENED CONNECTIONS WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
UM, MOVING ON, ON TUESDAY, OCTOBER 7TH, THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT JOIN NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS DALLAS TO CELEBRATE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT.
OUR STAFF ENGAGED WITH RESIDENTS THROUGHOUT THE EVENING, LISTENING TO COMMUNITY CONCERNS, ANSWERING QUESTIONS, AND SHARING INFORMATION ABOUT OVERSIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
THESE INTERACTIONS WERE INVALUABLE IN DEEPENING RELATIONSHIPS AND FOSTERING MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN OCPO AND THE COMMUNITIES WE SERVE.
IN ADDITION TO NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, WE ALSO PARTICIPATED IN SEVERAL OTHER COMMUNITY EVENTS THROUGHOUT OCTOBER, INCLUDING HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH CELEBRATIONS IN DISTRICT FOUR AND 14, HONORING HISPANIC CULTURE, UM, AND THEN ALSO A TRUNK OR TREAT EVENT IN DISTRICT 12, WHERE FAMILIES ENJOYED A SAFE AND FESTIVE HALLOWEEN EXPERIENCE WHILE LEARNING ABOUT O CPO'S MISSION AND SERVICES.
UM, AS THE DIRECTOR SHARED FROM OCTOBER 26TH THROUGH THE 30TH, WE ATTENDED THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT NA COLE, 31ST ANNUAL CONFERENCE IN MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA.
THE CONFERENCE BROUGHT TOGETHER OVERSIGHT PROFESSIONALS, ADVOCATES, LAW ENFORCEMENT LEADERS, POLICY MAKERS, AND SCHOLARS FROM ACROSS THE GLOBE.
THIS YEAR'S THEME RECKONING AND RESILIENCE IN THE POST GEORGE FLOYD ERA CENTERED ON ADVANCING TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND PUBLIC TRUST IN POLICING.
THIS WAS MY FIRST TIME ATTENDING NACO, AND IT WAS AN INCREDIBLY VALUABLE EXPERIENCE.
I ESPECIALLY APPRECIATED THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE IN THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSIONS WITH MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT THE SESSIONS WE ATTENDED.
UM, SO I, I WANTED TO KEEP IT BRIEF, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND MENTION THIS.
SO, UM, ONE OF MY FAVORITE SESSIONS WAS BECAUSE KIDS ARE NOT MI MINIATURE ADULTS SUPPORTING COMMUNITY OVERSIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY
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OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, TREATMENT OF YOUTH.IT WAS PRESENTED BY MICHELLE GROSS, PRESIDENT OF COMMUNITIES, UNITED AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY, AND SHELLY JACKSON, A LAW ENFORCEMENT POLICIES ATTORNEY.
THE SESSION OFFERED POWERFUL INSIGHTS INTO HOW OVERSIGHT CAN BETTER SUPPORT YOUTH FOCUS, JUSTICE EMPHASIZING DIGNITY PROTECTION, AND COMMUNITY CENTERED ACCOUNTABILITY.
THE KNOWLEDGE AND PERSPECTIVES GAINED FROM NACO WILL DIRECTLY INFORM AND STRENGTHEN O CPO'S OUTGOING OUTREACH, ONGOING OUTREACH AND POLICY WORK HERE IN DALLAS.
AND LOOKING AHEAD AS WE MOVE INTO NOVEMBER, OCPO WILL CONTINUE TO EXPAND OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT ACROSS THE CITY.
OUR GOAL REMAINS TO FOSTER TRUST, TRANSPARENCY, AND ACCOUNTABILITY BY WORKING COLLABORATIVELY WITH, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, NONPROFITS, AND CITY DEPARTMENTS TO ENSURE THAT EVERY DALLAS RESIDENT UNDERSTANDS AND FEELS CONFIDENT ENGAGING WITH OUR OFFICE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONTINUED SUPPORT OF OUR OUTREACH INITIATIVES.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
AND FOR, UH, THE PRESENTATION, BUT ALSO FOR WHAT YOU DO IN THE COMMUNITY.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS DIRECTED TO MS. PEREZ? I, I GOT A QUESTION, MR. MAPLES.
SO WHO WENT, WHO WENT TO NACO? THE DIRECTOR? UM, POLICY ANALYST, OBSU.
AND WHERE AND WHERE WAS IT IN MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA? NO.
NOBODY IN THE BUDGET FOR AT LEAST ONE OF US.
DEFERRED THAT IN THE BUDGET TO THE DIRECTOR.
THERE WERE BUDGET RESTRICTIONS.
MR. MAPLES, APPARENTLY, I WANT, I WANNA KNOW WHY Y'ALL LEFT ARDI, MAN.
NO, I'LL JUST PLAY, WHAT DID WAL DEER DO TO GET IT LEFT OUT OF THIS? HE, HE ACTUALLY VOLUNTEERED TO STAY BACK.
UM, I DID LEARN AT THE CONFERENCE THAT THERE IS LIKE A SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM WHERE THEY, THERE'S SCHOLARSHIPS AVAILABLE FOR THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME, BUT THERE'S NO FUNDING AVAILABLE.
NOT SURE WHAT THE PROCESS IS FOR THAT, BUT WE CAN LOOK INTO IT.
HOW, HOW CAN WE GET IT? HOW CAN WE GET IT TO TEXAS? YEAH.
DID THEY GIVE ANY INDICATION WHERE IT IS NEXT YEAR? YEAR? WE ARE ACTUALLY EXPLORING THAT FOR 2027.
IT WAS JUST HERE A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
IN FOUR FOURTH, BUT I THINK IT'LL BE BETTER IN DALLAS.
SO YOU TELL ME WE CAN HAVE A PRESENTATION WHEN IT COMES TO DALLAS AND WE CAN ATTEND AND, YOU KNOW, HELP, HELP HOST SOME OF THAT.
SO THERE'S A CHANCE, UH, 2027.
IT'LL BE IN DALLAS POT, POTENTIALLY.
THEY ANNOUNCED WHERE, UH, NEXT YEAR'S LOCATION, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER.
IT'S KANSAS, KENTUCKY, KENTUCKY, KENTUCKY.
THE WORLD CUP WOULD'VE NOTHING ON THIS, BUT WE'LL, DEFINITELY A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS FOR DALLAS.
IF IT, IT COMES HERE FOR 2027, LET KNOW.
YEAH, WE GOT VOLUNTEERS FOR KENTUCKY RIGHT NOW.
WELL, UH, THANK YOU MS. PEREZ.
AND WE'RE SO HAPPY ABOUT THE NICK NICOLE CONFERENCE AND LOOK, LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, HEARING, UH, MORE FROM YOU GUYS, UH, IN PASSING.
BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
SO, WE'LL NOW MOVE TO, UH, AGENDA ITEM 10, UH, WHICH IS, UH, JUST SOME, UH, BOARD REPORTS AND BRIEFINGS.
NUMBER ONE, UH, JUST BEEN ASKED TO REMIND BOARD MEMBERS TO BOARD SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE WHEN THEY, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SPEAKING BECAUSE WHAT THEY SAY, WHAT YOU SAY ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
AND ALSO, UH, FOR MINUTES PURPOSES, IT'S HELPFUL, UH, FOR THOSE WHO ARE MAKING THE MINUTES TO PRIOR TO WHAT YOU SAY, TO SAY YOUR NAME AND YOUR DISTRICT.
THAT WAY, UH, WHEN WHILE DEER IS GOING THROUGH THE AUDIO, THAT IN THE TRANSCRIPT IT'S CLEAR WHO SAID WHAT.
JUST GIVE, GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT'S DUE.
'CAUSE UH, THERE'S SOME GOOD COMMENTS THAT ARE MADE.
UH, SECONDLY, UH, WE ARE, UH, LOOKING TO REAPPOINT AND COMPLETE OUR SUBCOMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL BOARD MEMBERS, UH, WHO WERE ON SUBCOMMITTEES, UH, TIME OUT WITH THEIR APPOINTMENT.
AND SO THERE'S A, THERE'S VACANCIES AND WE HAVE FOUR SUBCOMMITTEES.
ONE SUBCOMMITTEE IS POLICY, THE OTHER SUBCOMMITTEE IS RULES.
SO POLICY DEALS WITH POLICY, SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THE POLICY THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS, THE CITY.
AND WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, TO, WELL, THERE'LL BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL IF WE VIEW ANY, UM, NEED FOR POLICY CHANGES.
RULES HAVE TO DO WITH, UH, OUR MEETINGS AND, AND, UH, ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP THIS TIME BE MORE EFFICIENT.
AND ALSO, AMONG OUR BOARD, WE ALSO HAVE
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THE, UH, OUTREACH COMMITTEE, SENIOR, UH, COMMUNITY OUTREACH COMMITTEE, WHICH IS WORKING WITH, UH, MRS. PEREZ, UM, REGARDING COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.AND THAT'S CALLED THE OUTREACH COMMITTEE.
AND THE FOURTH ONE IS THE TRAINING COMMITTEE THAT, UH, WE NEED A COMMITTEE THAT CAN BE ON TOP OF AN INTENTIONAL WITH HELPING US AS BOARD MEMBERS STAY UP TO DATE WITH TRAININGS AND BE INFORMED.
SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR SUBCOMMITTEES.
UH, I THINK ALL OF THEM HAVE VACANCIES RIGHT NOW.
AND SO IF THERE IS A PARTICULAR, IF YOU ALREADY ARE ON A SUBCOMMITTEE, YOU'RE ALREADY THERE.
BUT, UH, FOR THOSE THAT ARE NEW, UH, THERE ARE VACANCIES AND IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR, UH, A, A PARTICULAR, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE THAT YOU WANNA BE A PART OF, PLEASE LET ME KNOW, OR YOU CAN LET THE DIRECTOR KNOW TO LET ME KNOW AND WE'LL MAKE THOSE APPOINTMENTS.
WE'RE ONLY THING WE'RE WAITING ON RIGHT NOW IS NOT ALL OF US HAVE BEEN OFFICIALLY APPOINTED, AND I THINK ME INCLUDED,
UH, UH, AND SO WE NEED TO GET OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND, YOU KNOW, IN MY CASE, THE MAYOR, THEY NEED TO OFFICIALLY, UH, PUT OUR NAMES THROUGH AND, AND, UH, TO BE ACCEPTED.
I THINK MOST OF US ARE THERE, BUT THERE'S A FEW OF US THAT, UH, HAVE YET TO BE OFFICIALLY, UM, UH, PASSED, UH, AS IN THE PROCESS.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE PLACEHOLDERS UNTIL THAT CAN BE OFFICIALLY, UH, COMPLETED.
UH, WAL DEER SENT AN EMAIL NOT TOO LONG AGO, UH, AND HE GAVE A RED M NEXT TO EVERY MEMBER.
I'M, I DON'T THINK YOU, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD.
BUT YO
UH, FINALLY, UH, THE OCPO PLANS TO HOLD OUR CPO RETREAT IN JANUARY THE NEW YEAR, PENDING THE COMPLETION OF ALL REAPPOINTMENTS AND THE FILING OF VACANT POSITIONS BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR.
WE'LL HAVE A COUPLE MEETINGS BEFORE THEN, BUT MARK YOUR CALENDARS POTENTIALLY FOR OUR RETREAT IN JANUARY.
AND FOR THE NEW MEMBERS, DON'T GET TOO EXCITED.
THESE RETREATS ARE NOT RETREATS.
IT'S, I THINK, LET'S USE A DIFFERENT WORD.
ALL WE ALL GET TOGETHER AND WE HAVE, 'CAUSE WE HAVE QUORUM.
WHY CAN'T WE DO RETREATS? OR WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A RETREAT.
HEY, WHAT YOU'RE, HEY, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IMPORTANT.
YOU NEED THE MICROPHONE ON 'CAUSE EVERYBODY CAN HEAR YOU.
THAT WAY WE CAN BE MAYBE OUT AT A POLICE FACILITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SINCE IT'S TRAINING.
AND WE DON'T HAVE TO BE IN THIS ENCLOSED ROOM, OR, BECAUSE THE WEATHER'S BAD, MISS.
I'M, WELL, I THINK LAST TIME WHEN WE PUT IT UP FOR A VOTE, RIGHT, TO HAVE IT AT A POLICE FACILITIES, THE BOARD VOTED THAT DOWN.
AND I WOULD RECOMMEND A, UM, A NICE LAKE, A NICE PARK WITH, WITH A, UH, PAGODA WHERE WE COULD MEET IN NO OBSTACLE COURSE.
SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF ALL THESE.
SO I THINK THAT WE'RE TAKING IT INTO ACCOUNT.
THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THE, THE TONE, THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
'CAUSE WE, BECAUSE EVERY, EVEN THIS RETREAT, WE NEED TO POST AND WE NEED TO HAVE IT ACCESSIBLE.
AND, UH, SO THAT'S, IF THERE'S QUORUM, THEN WE NEED TO ABIDE BY THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
CAN WE, WHERE WHERE CAN YOU FIND THAT? TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT INFORMATION.
YOU KNOW, ANYBODY THAT KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THAT
YOU KNOW, THERE, THIS IS A PROPOSAL, RIGHT? SO, UH, WE CAN TALK TO THE OFFICE AND SEE IT'S NOT YEAH.
THE REMINDER THAT OUR UPCOMING MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 9TH.
DECEMBER 9TH, 5:30 PM WILL BE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, THE BIG ROOM.
SO, UH, IF YOU'RE UNABLE TO ATTEND, PLEASE NOTIFY MEANS THE CHAIR, UH, MORE IMPORTANTLY PROBABLY WAL DEER.
UM, SO, UH, I REMEMBER MY FIRST CPO ME, UH, CPOB MEETING WAS IN DECEMBER.
AND THE IDEA WAS EVERYBODY COME WITH AN UGLY SWEATSHIRT.
AND, UH, I SHOWED UP AND I WAS THE ONLY ONE WEARING A SWEATER.
I THINK IT, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A BLUE CHRISTMAS SWEATERS.
I THINK I, I, I THINK THAT'S THE NORM.
'CAUSE YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE WHO HAD ON THE HALLOWEEN COSTUME THE OTHER DAY TOO.
BUT IF WE WANNA DO SOMETHING FUN, WE'LL WE WILL HAVE THE OFFICE SEND THAT OUT.
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IS A SWEATER, DON'T LET ME DOWN.LAST TIME I DID IT, I WAS THE ONLY ONE.
SO, UH, BUT WE'LL HEAR FROM THE OFFICE ON THAT.
UH, WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM 11 ON THE AGENDA.
ANY, UH, COMMENT AT THIS TIME? ANYBODY ON LINE? WAL DEER.
AND THERE'S NO ONE HERE IN PERSON.
SO, UH, NOW IT'S, UH, ITEM JEN.
UH, DO, UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN.
THERE'S A MOTION BY TIM JACKSON.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEEN? THERE'S NONE.