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[Ad Hoc Committee on Administrative Affairs on November 10, 2025.]
RIGHT.UM, IT IS 1117 NOVEMBER 10TH, AND I'M CALLING THE ADMINISTRATIVE AD HOC COMMITTEE OF ADMINISTRATIVE AFFAIRS TO ORDER.
FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPRO? MOTION TO APPROVE.
UM, ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS? SEEING NONE.
FIRST BRIEFING ITEM IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSING, UM, THE MOVING THE ELECTIONS FROM MAY TO NOVEMBER ON ODD YEARS.
GOOD MORNING, CHAIR MORENO AND MEMBERS OF THE, UM, AD HOC, UM, COMMITTEE ON ADMINISTRATIVE AFFAIRS.
I'M BILLY RAY JOHNSON, CITY SECRETARY.
TODAY I'LL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE CITY'S TRANSITION OF GENERAL ELECTIONS FROM MAY ODD NUMBERED YEARS TO NOVEMBER OF ODD NUMBERED YEARS.
WE'LL REVIEW THE CHARTER AMENDMENT THAT ALLOWS THIS CHANGE THE LEGISLATIVE ACTION THAT MADE IT POSSIBLE.
WHAT POLICIES AND OPERATIONAL STEPS ARE REQUIRED, DISCUSS TRADE-OFFS AND CONSIDERATIONS, AND FINALLY HIGHLIGHT THE NEXT STEP BEFORE OPENING UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
NOVEMBER 5TH, 2024, CHARTER AMENDMENT.
IN NOVEMBER, 2024, THE CITY OF DALLAS VOTERS APPROVED PROPOSITION D, WHICH REMOVED THE REQUIREMENT IN THE CITY CHARTER, THAT GENERAL ELECTIONS BE HELD IN MAY.
THIS CHANGE GAVE THE CITY COUNCIL THE FLEXIBILITY TO SET THEIR ELECTIONS BY RESOLUTION.
AS YOU CAN SEE, PROPOSITION D PASSED WITH STRONG VOTER SUPPORT WITH 65% VOTING IN FAVOR WITH OVER.
THAT'S WITH OVER 233,000 RESIDENTS VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS CHARTER CHANGE.
NEXT IS THE LEGISLATIVE CHANGE.
DURING THE 2025 SESSION, THE 89TH TEXAS LEGISLATURE PASSED SENATE BILL 1494, WHICH GIVES CITIES AND OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS THE OPTION TO MOVE THEIR GENERAL ELECTIONS TO THE NOVEMBER UNIFORM DATE AND ODD NUMBERED YEARS.
THIS BILL WAS SIGNED ON JUNE 20TH, 2025, AND CITIES HAVE UNTIL DECEMBER 31ST, 2025 TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION IF THEY WISH TO MAKE THE CHANGE.
SO FOR DALLAS COUNCIL, CITY COUNCIL ACTION IS REQUIRED BY THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
POLICY AND OPERATIONAL COMPLIANCE.
THIS SLIDE OUTLINES THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE POLICY AND OPERATIONAL ASPECTS OF THIS CHANGE.
FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT, THE DECISION TO MOVE ELECTION DATES MUST BE MADE BY THE CITY COUNCIL THROUGH A FORMAL RESOLUTION.
IT'S A POLICY MATTER BECAUSE IT AFFECTS THE STRUCTURE AND TIMING OF THE PROCESS.
ONCE THAT POLICY DECISION IS MADE, IMPLEMENTATION BECOMES AN OPERATIONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
THAT'S WHERE THE CITY SECRETARY, MY OFFICE, WORKING WITH THE DALLAS COUNTY ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT, WILL HANDLE TASKS SUCH AS BALLOT PREPARATION, CONTRACTING, PUBLIC NOTICES, AND AND ADJUSTING DEADLINES.
THE NEXT TWO SLIDES ACTUALLY, WE'LL TALK ABOUT TRADE-OFFS AND CONSIDERATIONS OF, OF MOVING THE ELECTIONS FROM MAY TO NOVEMBER.
THE FIRST BULLET THERE LISTS THE NEW TERM TAKEOFF, ITS INAUGURATION DATE.
IF THE ELECTION DATE MOVES TO NOVEMBER, THE NEW COUNCIL TERM WILL BEGIN ON THE THIRD MONDAY IN DECEMBER, WHICH IS 2020 IN 2027, WHICH WILL BE DECEMBER 20TH, 2027.
THE NEXT TWO SLIDES JUST OUTLINES THINGS TO CONSIDER.
UM, OUR OFFICE FELT, UM, WE NEEDED TO HIGHLIGHT SOME, SOME FACTS THAT WILL HAPPEN IF THE CITY COUNCIL MOVES.
UM, THE DATE FROM NOVEMBER, I MEAN FROM MAY TO NOVEMBER, AND, AND AGAIN, THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE THE INAUGURATION DATE OR TAKE OFFICE DATE WOULD ALWAYS FALL ON THAT THIRD MONDAY IN DECEMBER.
TERM ADJUSTMENTS AND HOLDOVERS.
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UM, CURRENT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD SERVE IN A HOLDOVER CAPACITY UNTIL THE NEW MEMBERS ARE SWORN IN.THIS MEANS THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL REMAIN IN OFFICE AND SUBJECT TO, UM, ARE THE ATTENDANCE RULES DURING THAT PERIOD.
WE'LL ALSO NEED TO ADDRESS COUNCIL OFFICER TERMS, THE MAYOR, PRO TEM AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, UM, POSITIONS SINCE THIS IS A ONE YEAR TERM, WHICH CURRENTLY ENDS IN JUNE, IS JUNE TO JUNE, AND THAT WAS BY RESOLUTION.
UM, COUNCIL WILL NEED TO DECIDE WHETHER TO EXTEND THOSE TERMS OR APPOINT, UH, NEW OFFICERS FOR THE HOLDOVER PERIOD.
AND I WILL NOTE THAT I WILL BE PLACING AN AGENDA ITEM.
AGAIN, IT IS FROM JUNE TO JUNE, UM, ON YOUR, UM, JUNE, 2026 AGENDA.
SO THAT IS UPCOMING, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD DECIDE ON HOW YOU WOULD HANDLE YOUR OFFICER TERMS. SLIDE SEVEN, CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS APPOINTMENTS.
AND AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, NOTES, UH, BOARD MEMBERS.
SO RIGHT NOW, ACCORDING TO OUR CITY CHARTER, BEGINNING IN AUGUST OF EVERY, EVERY, AND IT'S ODD NUMBER YEARS BECAUSE BOARD APPOINTMENTS ARE, ARE KIND OF, HAVE BEEN MADE AROUND CITY COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS.
SO OCTOBER 1ST, AS YOU ALL KNOW, OCTOBER 1ST OF EVERY ODD NUMBERED YEAR BEGINS THE BOARD APPOINTMENT, THE BOARD, UM, AND COMMISSIONS NEW TERM.
AND WHAT I'M SAYING HERE ON THIS SLIDE HERE IS JUST TO, TO MAKE NOTE OF IS THAT, IS THAT IF YOU MOVE YOUR ELECTIONS TO NOVEMBER, WHAT HAPPENS IS, ACCORDING TO OUR CHARTER APPOINTMENTS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, YOU CAN BEGIN MAKING YOUR APPOINTMENTS TO THE NEW TERM BEGINNING IN AUGUST, AUGUST UNTIL, I MEAN, WITHIN THOSE TWO YEARS.
BUT TRADITIONALLY, AND A, ACCORDING TO OUR HISTORICAL DATA, BEGINNING IN AUGUST, BUT DEFINITELY THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST, LIKE WE'RE IN NOW, ABOUT 80% OF BOARD, UH, MEMBERS HAVE BEEN APPOINTED TO BOARDS.
SO IF YOU MOVE YOUR ELECTIONS TO NOVEMBER, UM, THEN MAJORITY OF THE APPOINTMENTS WOULD BE MADE BY THE OUTGOING COUNCIL.
HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE NOTE ALSO AS PROPOSITION J THAT PASSED IN 2024 GIVES COUNCIL MEMBERS THE ABILITY TO REMOVE, UH, REPLACE MEMBERS AT ANY TIME.
SO YOU DO HAVE AN, YOU DO HAVE A REMEDY FOR THAT.
I'M JUST, UM, MAKING YOU AWARE OF THAT.
TRANSIT TRANSITION LOGISTICS HERE.
THIS, IT'S, UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS A PART OF OPERATIONAL.
IT'S JUST A THING THAT HAPPENS IF YOU MOVE TO NOVEMBER ELECTIONS.
UM, YOUR FILING DATE HERE, I JUST LIST THE DEADLINE DATE.
BUT I, WHAT I DO WANNA, AND I DIDN'T PLACE ON THIS SLIDE HERE, IS THE FILING PERIOD, UH, FOR ANY, UM, TO, TO FILE FOR A PLACE ON THE BALLOT.
SO IF YOU MOVE THAT IN 2027, YOUR FILING PERIOD WILL BE MID-JULY OF 2027, ENDING IN AUGUST OF 2027.
WITH, WITH MAY, IT'S MID-JANUARY TO FEBRUARY.
THAT'S WHEN YOU, WE TAKE IN APPLICATIONS FOR A PLACE ON THE BALLOT.
WELL, IF YOU MOVE TO NOVEMBER, YOUR FILING PERIOD WILL BE MID-JULY THROUGH MIDGUT.
OKAY? AND ELECTION DATE CHANGE.
RIGHT NOW IN MAY, YOUR ELECTION'S ON SATURDAYS, IF YOU MOVE TO NOVEMBER ELECTIONS WILL BE ON TUESDAYS RUNOFF, ELECTION RUNOFF ELECTIONS, UM, THERE'S A, A NEW PROVISION, BUT RUNOFF ELECTIONS WILL BE HELD IN DECEMBER.
THEY'LL BE HELD IN DECEMBER ON A SATURDAY, HOWEVER, DESIGNATED BY THE SECRETARY OF STATE.
AND THAT'S A FAIRLY NEW CHANGE.
UM, BEFORE IT WAS ALWAYS ON A SATURDAY, UH, BUT WE COULD WORK WITH OTHER ENTITIES TO DECIDE WHICH STATE, BUT NOW IT'S A SATURDAY DESIGNATED BY THE STATE.
UM, LASTLY, UM, WHAT I HAVE JURISDICTION, ENTITY SHIFTINGS.
WHAT I'M SAYING HERE IS THAT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE IS THAT IF YOU MOVE TO NOVEMBER POLLING LOCATIONS, ELECTION JUDGES, UH, THOSE ARE THE BIG TWO WILL BE DETERMINED BY DALLAS COUNTY, UH, MAY ELECTIONS, WE HAVE MORE.
WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DETERMINE WHICH OUR POLL POLLING LOCATIONS ARE, WHO OUR JUDGES ARE.
UM, BUT IF YOU MOVE TO NOVEMBER, UH, THOSE WILL BE DECIDED.
WE WILL NOT HAVE THAT AUTHORITY.
UM, HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO, TO NOTE BEFORE I MOVE OFF THAT SLIDE, THAT IN MAY ELECTIONS WE USE ABOUT 274 LOCATIONS.
AND IT'S, IT WAS ALWAYS A COST SAVINGS THING BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT ABILITY, UM, IF WE'RE TASKED WITH TRYING TO SAVE COST
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ON ELECTIONS.AND SO WE'VE TYPICALLY USED ABOUT, AND I THINK IN DALLAS IT'S ABOUT 274 LOCATIONS, UH, RIGHT IN THIS, IN DALLAS.
AND WE KIND OF STICK TO THOSE.
HOWEVER, IF WE DO MOVE TO NOVEMBER, UM, AGAIN, WE USE THEIR LOCATIONS.
BUT NOVEMBER ELECTIONS, UH, THE COUNTY USES ALL 452, UH, LOCATIONS DURING NOVEMBER.
SO WE WILL NOT HAVE A, UH, SHOULD NOT HAVE A LOCATION ISSUE.
UM, SO THAT'S JUST A NOTE THERE.
HOWEVER, WE, WE HAVE TO GO WITH THEIR ELECTION JUDGES, AND I'M SURE THEY'LL OFFER, UM, SOME SUGGESTIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OUR OFFICE.
BUT THOSE IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
IF YOU MOVE TO NOVEMBER SLIDE SEVEN, I'M SORRY, SLIDE EIGHT, THE NEXT STEP.
AN AGENDA ITEM HAS BEEN PLACED ON YOUR WEDNESDAY'S, THIS WEDNESDAY'S AGENDA, NOVEMBER 12TH, 2025, CITY COUNCIL AGENDA.
I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT THAT ITEM WILL REQUIRE JUST A SIMPLE MAJORITY VOTE, UM, IS REQUIRED TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION, MOVING THE ELECTION DATE, UM, TO NOVEMBER OF ODD NUMBERED YEARS IF APPROVED, OUR OFFICE WILL BEGIN COORDINATING IMMEDIATELY WITH DALLAS COUNTY ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT TO IMPLEMENT ANY TRANSITIONS.
UH, THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, WE WILL NOT BE TAKING A MOTION ON THIS ITEM.
IT'S ALREADY SCHEDULED ON WEDNESDAY'S AGENDA.
SO TODAY WE'RE JUST GONNA BE TAKING QUESTIONS, UM, AND ANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS? UH, WITH THAT, I'LL START WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN KAENA.
UM, SO BILLY RAY, WHAT WOULD THE PROCESS BE LIKE IF THERE ARE COMPLAINTS? UM, WITH THE POLLING LOCATIONS OR THE, OR JUDGES, IF THERE'S ISSUES THAT HA ARISE, I WOULD HAVE TO TALK TO THE NEW, UH, DALLAS COUNTY ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR.
WE WOULD STILL, I WOULD HOPE, 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN IN NOVEMBER ELECTIONS BEFORE, UM, SO IT, IT WOULD BE, UH, NOT FOR GENERAL ELECTION THOUGH, BUT FOR SPECIAL ELECTIONS.
SO, UM, IT WOULD WORK THE SAME.
WE WOULD MEET WITH THE ENTITY PRIOR TO THE ELECTION.
THEY WOULD HAND US, UM, UM, FORMS OR CALENDAR AND FORMS AND DEADLINES OF, UM, EARLY VOTING LOCATIONS AND, AND, AND LOCATIONS AND JUDGES.
AND THEN I WOULD PRESENT THAT TO COUNSEL.
UH, THAT'S WHAT I NORMALLY DO.
UM, AND IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES, I STILL WOULD OFFER THAT RECOMMENDATION.
AND I STILL WOULD TAKE IT TO THE, UM, TO THE DALLAS, DALLAS COUNTY ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR FOR ANY, ANY CHANGES.
UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF ANY, IF WE HAD THAT WITH ANY NOVEMBER ELECTIONS, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'VE HAD A SPECIAL, WE HAD A FEW SPECIAL ELECTIONS IN NOVEMBER, AND AGAIN, NEW, NEW ELECTIONS.
DALLAS COUNTY ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR.
I HAVEN'T MET, UM, OFFICIALLY WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL, BUT THE LAST THREE ACTUALLY, I HAD A DECENT RELATIONSHIP WITH.
AND I WAS ABLE TO, UM, UM, MAKE SOME CHANGES.
UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER ENTITIES THAT ARE LARGER THAN US, DISD, DALLAS COUNTY, AND I HAVE RUN ACROSS ISSUES WHERE WE WERE NOT THE, THE LARGEST ENTITY AND WE WERE, AND I WAS ABLE TO WORK WITH THOSE OTHER ENTITIES TO GET OUR LOCATION OR TO GET OUR JUDGE.
SO I WOULD STILL, IT WOULD STILL BE HANDLED THE SAME.
I WOULD STILL TRY TO MAKE THAT EFFORT.
I ASK 'CAUSE WE HAVE HAD SOME ISSUES IN DISTRICT SIX IN THE PAST, UM, NOT THIS PAST CURRENT ELECTION, BUT I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THAT.
UM, AND THEN, UM, ANOTHER QUESTION IS, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE CASE OF A RUNOFF A A RECOUNT FOR AN ELECTION? OH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD HAPPEN THE, THE SAME WAY WE ARE.
THERE'S STATE HAS A RE THERE'S A DEADLINE BY STATE IN ORDER TO, TO, UM, REQUEST, UM, RECOUNT OR A TO TO CONTEST AN ELECTION.
AND, UM, IT'S BUILT IN RIGHT NOW.
I, IT JUST GETS REALLY, I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO MOVE REALLY QUICKLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU NOTIFY THE DALLAS COUNTY ELECTION ADMINISTRATOR.
I MEAN, UM, THEY ARE, UM, I THINK THEY ALSO HAVE TO ANSWER TO LIKE THE JUDGES, SO THEY'RE IN TUNE WITH WHAT GOES ON IN COURT.
IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S, IF IT GOES TO A CONTEST OR IF IT GOES TO A RECOUNT, IT JUST MOVES FASTER.
UM, IT, WE, THERE, THE, THE STATE HAS BUILT IN DATES TO DEADLINE DATES TO ACCOMMODATE FOR ANY CHALLENGES DURING ELECTIONS.
SO IT SHOULDN'T BE ANY ISSUES.
UM, DO WE KNOW IF, UH, DALLAS COUNTY HAS ANY OTHER RUNOFF, UH, ELECTIONS IN DECEMBER? WELL, THERE ARE ONLY TWO OTHER, UM, ENTITIES IN DALLAS COUNTY THAT HAVE GENERAL ELECTIONS IN NOVEMBER, GLEN HEIGHTS AND MESQUITE.
UM, SO, UM, THEY'RE THE ONLY TWO THAT COULD GO
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INTO A RUNOFF ELECTION.'CAUSE REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER ODD NUMBER YEARS IS YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS.
SO I WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND, AND LOOK AT HOW MANY TIMES THEY'RE GOING TO RUNOFF.
'CAUSE I THINK THEY HAVE STAGGERED TERMS, BUT THEY COULD, IF IT, IF WE DO GO INTO A RUNOFF ELECTION, IT WOULD, UM, IF ANY ENTITIES GO INTO A RUNOFF ELECTION, IT WOULD ONLY BE THOSE TWO, UM, CITIES, MESQUITE AND, UM, GLEN HEIGHTS.
AND THEN I THINK THE CURRENT CHARTER SAYS THAT WE CAN SERVE A TOTAL OF EIGHT YEARS OR FOUR TERMS. WILL THAT NEED TO BE ADJUSTED, UM, WITH THE, I GUESS THE REALIGNMENT, I AM GOING TO DEFER TO OUR CITY ATTORNEYS.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT I, I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THEM ADDRESSING IT.
BURT VANDENBERG, UH, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER PLEASE? YEAH, SO I THINK WITH THE NEW CHARTER, UH, AMENDMENTS THAT PASSED, WE CAN SERVE A TOTAL OF FOUR TERMS OR EIGHT YEARS.
WILL WE, THE WILL THAT NEED TO BE ADJUSTED, BECAUSE THEN, UM, I GUESS THOSE OF US THAT ARE GETTING SOME ADDITIONAL TIME, UM, IS, OR WILL, WILL THAT, WILL THAT BE ABLE TO STAY THE SAME? THERE WILL BE NO ADJUSTMENT NECESSARY.
THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE ELECTED IN THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL END UP SERVING, I, I GUESS IT'S FIVE MONTHS AS HOLDOVERS.
IT, IT, THERE'S NO ADJUSTMENT NECESSARY.
IT'S JUST ONCE THE ELECTION MOVES, IT'S FOUR TWO YEAR TERMS RATHER THAN EIGHT YEARS.
IT'S ACTUALLY FOUR, TWO YEAR TERMS WITH A LITTLE BIT OF HOLDOVER STATUS ADDED ON.
THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW.
UM, SO, UM, MY QUESTIONS ARE ON SLIDE SEVEN WHERE YOU'VE GOT YOUR, UM, TRADE-OFFS AND CONSIDERATIONS AND THE CONCERN ABOUT BOARD MEMBERS AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS.
UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT WE COULD FIX THIS IF, IF WE MOVED TO NOVEMBER ELECTIONS, WE COULD EVENTUALLY REALIGN THIS, UM, WITH A CHARTER AMENDMENT IN, UH, I FORGET WHEN OUR NIXON WOULD BE TWO YEARS, OR MAYBE IT'S CLOSER TO FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
AND YOU CANNOT AMEND THE CHARTER, UH, NO EARLIER THAN TWO YEARS, NO LATER THAN 10.
SO RIGHT WITHIN THAT TIME PERIOD, AND I, WHENEVER THERE'S A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION APPOINTED, OR AS WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, I WILL PLACE THIS ITEM ON THEIR AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION.
AND I KNOW VERY OFTEN WE DON'T DO THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS OR WE DO 'EM MAYBE EVERY 10 YEARS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME THIS MIGHT BE A TIME WE WOULD WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DO IT A LITTLE BIT EARLY RATHER THAN WAIT TO WHATEVER THAT END TERM WOULD BE.
UM, 'CAUSE I JUST THINK IT COULD BE A LITTLE AWKWARD, ESPECIALLY FOR A NEW, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS COMING IN.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE A SAY OVER THEIR BOARDS AND COMMISSION APPOINTEES THAT COULD, I THINK THAT COULD BE A STRUGGLE.
IT'S NOT INSURMOUNTABLE, BUT I THINK IT COULD BE, UM, JUST A, SOMETHING TO CLEAN UP IN THE CHARTER AS SOON AS WE POSSIBLY COULD.
IT'S ALL I, I, I KIND OF AGREE TOO.
IT'S JUST, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE THAT OPTION, IT'S JUST GETS AWKWARD.
AND, AND IT, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW WE HAVE THAT OPTION.
IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR, UM, YOU HIT A CROSSROADS WHERE YOU, OR AN IMPASSE AND YOU, YOU CAN'T, UM, IT'S DIFF DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH A PARTICULAR PERSON.
IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THERE IS AN OPTION, BUT I THINK OVERALL WE WOULD WANT TO REALIGN IT, SO.
THANK YOU CHAIR, CHAIR JOHNSON.
TIM, I HAVE ONE QUESTION, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PROVIDED THIS DATA, BUT MOVING INTO THE OFF SEASON, COMPARING IT TO WHERE IT IS NOW, MAY DO WE HAVE THE DATA TO SHOW HOW MANY VOTERS ACTUALLY COME OUT NOW VERSUS HOW MANY WILL COME OUT NOR WILL POSSIBLY COME OUT IN NOVEMBER? HAVE YOU GUYS DID SOME KIND OF DATA, UH, TO SHOW THAT? WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY FORECAST INFORMATION TO DETERMINE BASED ON OUR CHANGE, BUT WE DID LOOK AT SOME HISTORICAL DATA AND WE LOOKED AT, UH, A CITY, UM, I THINK IT WAS, UM, MESQUITE WHEN THEY CHANGED IN TWO 20, WHEN THEY MOVED FROM, UH, MAY TO NOVEMBER.
UM, IN 2017, WE KINDA LOOKED AT WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH THEM.
SO TO, I'LL ANSWER IT TWO WAYS.
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GOING BACK AND LOOKING HISTORICALLY BETWEEN MAY AND NOVEMBER, UM, IT'S A MIXED BAG, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS VOTER TURNOUT, IT REALLY DEPENDS.IT'S, IT DEPENDS ON, BASED ON THE, THE, OUR DATA HERE, WHAT'S ON THE BALLOT.
IN 2019, YOU KNOW, UM, THERE, THAT WAS A MAYORAL ELECTION.
SO IT WAS A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS ON THAT, THAT BALLOT RUNNING FOR THAT PLACE THERE, ALONG WITH THE 14 COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UM, CITY OF DALLAS TURNOUT WAS EIGHT, ABOUT 81,940, ALMOST 82,000 INDIVIDUALS.
AND THEN NOVEMBER, ALTHOUGH WE WEREN'T IN IT, WE, WE DID PULL NUMBERS OF CITY OF DALLAS TURNOUT.
AND IT WAS ABOUT 56, 57 9, ABOUT 58,000 INDIVIDUALS.
TURNED OUT IN NOVEMBER ON THAT CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT 2021, IT WAS A KNOWN MAYORAL ELECTION IN THE, UM, JUST YOUR 14 COUNCIL DISTRICTS.
BUT WE HAD TWO, UH, PROPOSITIONS ON THEIR TWO CHARTER AMENDMENTS ON, ON THAT BALLOT.
AND 68,760 VOTERS TURNED OUT, WHICH IS AN UPTICK, YOU'LL SEE IN OUR STANDARD MAY TURN OUT.
AND THEN NOVEMBER WAS 40,994 AND 2023, UM, ELECTION.
UM, BUT ONLY 51,792 INDIVIDUALS TURNED OUT, THAT'S BECAUSE THE MAYOR WAS UNOPPOSED.
UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE, WHEN WE HAD THE LAST MAYORAL ELECTION IN 1980 1000, AND THEN IN 21 IT WAS 68,000 WITH JUST THE 14 COUNCIL DISTRICTS, NO MAYORAL, BUT THEN THAT 23 A MAYORAL, IT WAS LESS, IT WAS 51,792.
AND IN NOVEMBER OF 20 23, 70 5,783 INDIVIDUALS TURNED OUT WE WERE NOT ON THAT BALLOT.
BUT THAT WAS A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT, I GUESS.
UM, THIS MAY, THIS PAST MAY, UM, ELECTION 47,000, THAT'S NOT A MAYORAL ELECTION, 47,083 AND CITY OF DALLAS INDIVIDUALS TURNED OUT, AND THEN THIS PAST NOVEMBER, 100, 5,366 TURNED OUT.
SO IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S HARD FOR US TO SAY IT'S HIGHER, BECAUSE THERE SOMETIMES IT'S A HIGHER, THERE'S A POTENTIAL, LET ME SAY THAT, FOR A HIGHER TURNOUT IN NOVEMBER.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST, IT FLUCTUATES.
NOW, LOOKING AT THE, THE, THE RESEARCH WE DID ON MESQUITE, UM, ELECTION, WHEN THEY WENT FROM, UM, MAY TO, TO NOVEMBER, I THINK IN 2017, THEIR ELECTION, WHEN THEY WERE IN MAY, TURNED OUT ABOUT 2000, 2,600 INDIVIDUALS WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY MOVED TO NOVEMBER, THREE AND A HALF TIMES 9,000 INDIVIDUALS CAME OUT.
AND THAT'S STRAIGHT GENERAL ELECTION.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY HAS THE POTENTIAL TO TURN OUT, UM, TO BE MORE IN NOVEMBER.
IT'S JUST, YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS HISTORICALLY JUST FLUCTUATES.
SO HISTORICALLY, UH, IN THE MAY ELECTION, YOU GET A NORMALLY HIGHER TURNOUT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I, I KNOW, I THINK I'M, THIS IS WHAT I'M HEARING.
OUT OF FOUR, ALL OF THOSE FOUR YEARS, 19 21, 23 AND 25, ONLY TWO YEARS, IT WAS A HIGHER MAY TURNOUT THE LAST IN MAY.
IN MAY, NORMALLY NOVEMBER GIVES THE HIGHER TURNOUT.
BUT IT'S, BUT THE LAST TWO YEARS, NOVEMBER HAS, HAS THE, UH, THE HIGHER TURNOUT HAS BEEN IN NOVEMBER.
SO IT'S TREND, HIGH TREND IN NOVEMBER.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO.
THE HIGHEST, THE HIGHEST TURNOUT IT'S BEEN IN NOVEMBER.
AND THEN AGAIN, LOOKING AT WHAT HAPPENED WITH MESQUITE, IT SEEMS LIKE, AND THEY'RE JUST CONTINUOUSLY ON THAT PATH OF GROWING, BUT WHEN IT WAS IN MAY, UM, IT, IT, UM, IT, IT TRIPLE THREE AND A HALF TIMES WHEN THEY MOVED TO NOVEMBER.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY DATA WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.
THANK YOU CHAIR FOR GIVING ME A CHANCE TO JOIN YOU AND SHARE A FEW REMARKS TODAY FOR FOLKS, UM, WATCHING WHO WEREN'T FOLLOWING THIS ISSUE LAST TERM.
I WANNA PROVIDE A LITTLE BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON IT.
UM, THIS CONVERSATION BEGAN BACK IN 2023.
DURING THE CITY CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION DISCUSSIONS.
THE DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER, DAVID DELA FUENTE, WORKED WITH VOTING RIGHTS CIVICS AND BUSINESS LEADERS AND GROUPS TO PROPOSE SHIFTING THE MUNICIPAL ELECTION DATE.
THE GOAL WAS TO INCREASE VOTER TURNOUT, REDUCE VOTER FATIGUE, AND SAVE CITY TAXPAYERS MONEY.
I'LL GET INTO THOSE SPECIFICS IN A MOMENT.
BUT WANT TO QUICKLY RECAP THE LONG JOURNEY FROM 2023 TO TODAY? AFTER MANY ROUNDS OF DISCUSSION AT THE HORSESHOE, THE CITY COUNCIL VOTED NINE TO SIX TO INCLUDE THE ELECTION DATE CHANGE IN THE NOVEMBER 20, 24 BALLOT IS ONE OF 21 CHARTER MEASURES IN THAT ELECTION, OVER 65%
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MORE THAN 220,000 DALLAS VOTERS VOTED TO MOVE OUR ELECTION DATE FROM MAY TO NOVEMBER.THE NEXT STEP WAS OBTAINING STATE APPROVAL, WHICH OCCURRED WHEN THE LEGISLATURE PASSED SENATE BILL 1494.
THIS BODY SUPPORTED THAT LEGISLATION AS PART OF ITS LEGISLATIVE PACKAGE, AND I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT IT PASSED WITH STRONG BIPARTISAN SUPPORT, 31 TO ZERO IN THE SENATE, AND 1 29 TO 12 IN THE HOUSE.
THE FINAL STEP BEFORE US IS THE MOST SIMPLE PASS, A RESOLUTION TO MOVE OUR ELECTION DATE FROM MAY TO NOVEMBER OF ODD NUMBERED YEARS, ALIGNING WITH WHAT OUR VOTERS OVERWHELM OVERWHELMINGLY TOLD US A WANT.
AS WE DISCUSSED LAST YEAR, THERE ARE THREE MAIN REASONS TO MOVE OUR ELECTION DATE, AND YOU GUYS HAVE TOUCHED ON, ON SOME OF THEM ALREADY.
FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, MOVING THE ELECTION DATE WILL INCREASE VOTER PARTICIPATION.
CURRENTLY, OUR CITY COUNCIL ELECTIONS CONSISTENTLY SEE SOME OF THE LOWEST VOTER TURNOUT OF ANY MAJOR CITY IN THE COUNTRY, USUALLY 29TH OR 30TH OF THE 30 LARGEST CITIES IN AMERICA.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT LOWER LOWEST VOTER TURNOUT IS NOT WHERE I THINK DALLAS SHOULD BE LEADING THE NATION.
VOTER TURNOUT IS ALREADY HIGHER IN NOVEMBER OF ODD NUMBERED YEARS COMPARED TO MAY.
LOOKING AT DALLAS COUNTY IN 2025, TURNOUT IN THE MAY ELECTION EARLIER THIS YEAR WAS JUST 8% WHILE TURNOUT LAST WEEK IN NOVEMBER WAS 16%.
AND IF WE LOOK AT OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE ALREADY MADE THIS CHANGE, LIKE BILLY RAY MENTIONED, MESQUITE IN 2019, VOTER TURNOUT THERE INCREASED FROM 5.6% BETWEEN 2009 AND 2017 TO 11.7% BETWEEN 2019 AND 2025, MORE THAN MORE THAN DOUBLE SECOND, MOVING OUR ELECTION DATE WOULD REDUCE VOTER FATIGUE AND MAKE VOTER VOTING EASIER.
NOVEMBER ELECTIONS PROVIDE MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO VOTE WITH 27 ADDITIONAL VOTING HOURS AND MORE VOTING CENTERS AVAILABLE BOTH DURING EARLY VOTING AND ON ELECTION DAY.
MOVING THE ELECTIONS WILL ALSO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF MAIL ELECTIONS HELPING PREVENT THE ELECTION, EVERY FEW MONTHS PHENOMENON THAT OUR VOTERS CURRENTLY EXPERIENCE.
WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS MIGHT FOLLOW OUR LEAD.
DALLAS COLLEGE HAS ALREADY MET AND, AND IS CONSIDERING CHANGING THEIR ELECTIONS FROM MAY OF EVEN YEARS TO NOVEMBER OF ODD YEARS.
AND WE'LL BE VOTING ON THIS CHANGE IN DECEMBER.
FINALLY, THIS CHANGE WILL SAVE THE CITY MONEY, APPROXIMATELY 432,000 PER ELECTION CYCLE BECAUSE OF THE COST SHARING WITH THE STATE.
AT A TIME WHEN WE ARE FACING SIGNIFICANT BUDGET CONSTRAINTS.
THIS IS A STRAIGHTFORWARD WAY TO SAVE OUR TAXPAYERS NEARLY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS EVERY OTHER YEAR.
IN SUMMARY, WE'RE AT THE FINAL AND THE EASIEST STEP TO MOVING OUR ELECTION DATE DOING SO, WE'LL IMPROVE VOTER TURNOUT, MAKE IT EASIER TO VOTE AND SAVE TAXPAYER DOLLARS, ALL WHILE MAINTAINING OUR NON-PARTISAN ELECTION CYCLE.
WHILE I UNDERSTAND WE DON'T HAVE A, WE WON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TODAY.
I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THIS DISCUSSION ON WEDNESDAY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO REACH OUT TO MY OFFICE.
UM, THANK Y'ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION AND, UH, FOR Y'ALL'S WORK ON IT.
UM, ALSO THANK YOU TO COMMISSIONER DAVID ENTENTE, UH, FOR HIS WORK.
UM, I THINK THAT THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE ARE REALLY ABOUT, UH, OUR NEED TO CONSIDER, UM, POTENTIAL CONFLICTS AS FAR AS, UH, LIKE THE HOLIDAYS, UM, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE MOVING FORWARD.
I I, I DON'T THINK THAT IT IMPACTS OUR DECISION TO GET THIS THROUGH, BUT I, UM, A MORE COMPREHENSIVE LOOK ON THE FUTURE OF WHAT, UM, SOME THINGS WE DIDN'T CONSIDER.
UH, ONE IN PARTICULAR IS, UM, INAUGURATION AND START DATE.
UM, I THINK THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PEER CITIES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UM, CAN YOU, CAN YOU EXPAND UPON THE, UH, ANY DATA ON CITIES THAT HAVE NO NOVEMBER ELECTIONS, WHAT THAT USUALLY LOOKS LIKE IN ASSUMING OFFICE AND INAUGURATION? WE HAVE NOT.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S FOR OUR CITIES.
WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THOSE TWO ENTITIES THAT, UM, HAVE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS.
HOWEVER, IN 2018, WE DID HAVE, WE DID EXPERIENCE A, WE HAD A SPECIAL ELECTION TO FILL A VACANCY, UM, IN NOVEMBER.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF TESTED IT OURSELVES IN REAL LIFE.
UM, AND I MEAN, THE ONLY ISSUE, AND AGAIN, IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS NOT NORMAL FOR US TO HAVE ELECTIONS IN, IN, IN NOVEMBER, BUT IT WAS SOMEWHAT, NOT SOMEWHAT CHALLENGING.
I DON'T WANNA WANNA SAY CHALLENGING, BUT AT THE TIME, IT'S GETTING, UH, MEMBERS TO JUST CANVAS.
BUT THE LAW SAYS ONLY TWO MEMBERS, UM, SO, UM, UH, CONSTITUTE A QUORUM.
SO IT REALLY, IT, LEMME JUST SAY THIS, I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY CHALLENGES.
I, I DON'T THINK THERE WERE ANY CHALLENGES.
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I THINK THE DIFFERENCE THOUGH THERE IS THAT THERE WASN'T THE GRAND INAUGURATION CEREMONY THAT HAD TO BE, UM, FACILITATED.UM, AND, AND, AND SO I GUESS THAT'S WHERE, WHERE MY, THE CHARTER STATES THAT IT HAS TO BE THIS SECOND MONDAY AFTER THE CANVASSING OF THE RUNOFF ELECTION.
IS THAT ACCURATE? NO, IT'S THE, OR LEMME SAY THIS, THE THIRD MONDAY, OR IT'S, IT'S, IT KIND OF GOES BACK, IT SAYS NOT LATER THAN 30 DAYS FOLLOWING THE FINAL CANVAS OF THE GENERAL ELECTION.
UM, THAT FIRST MONDAY FOLLOWING, UM, THE 30TH DAY AFTER THE, UH, CANVASSING OF THE FINAL ELECTION.
SO YOU START WITH THAT CANVASSING DATE FROM THE MAY ELECTION, FROM THE MAY CANVAS, YOU COUNT 30 DAYS, AND IT'S THAT FIRST MONDAY.
AND SO THAT, THAT CALCULATION USUALLY COMES BACK TO THE THIRD MONDAY.
SO IT'S TRADITIONALLY THE THIRD MONDAY, EVEN IF IT'S IN JUNE OR, OR EVEN, UH, NOW.
AND I'VE DONE THE CALCULATION, IT WOULD BE THAT, THAT, UM, IT WOULD FALL THAT THIRD MONDAY TYPICALLY, BUT IT STARTS FROM YOUR CANVASSING DATE.
UM, AND SO, UH, D DOES THAT FALL INTO, UM, TIME THAT WE WOULD BE O THAT THE CITY WOULD BE CLOSED? I'M THINKING, UH, FROM THAT, FROM, FROM THE SPECIAL ELECTION THAT WE HAD? NO, I THINK THE ONLY, JUST FROM MY RECOLLECTION, THE ONLY THING WE HAD WAS A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE WANTING THE FULL BODY OF COUNSEL THERE, LIKE WE TYPICALLY DO IN THE OTHER, IN, IN JUNE.
UM, IT WAS JUST, UH, TIME OFF.
A LOT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD TAKEN TIME OFF.
BUT AGAIN, UH, WE KIND OF EXPERIENCED THAT SOMETIMES, UH, IN JUNE WE WERE CANVASSING.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, BUT THE STATE ONLY ALLOWS TO, SO IT WASN'T AN ISSUE.
IT'S JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO, TO SEE WHAT MEMBERS WOULD BE THERE.
I'M, I'M JUST WANTING TO SEE IF THERE'S BEEN AN ANALYSIS OF WHAT THIS IS ACTUALLY GONNA COST AND STAFF TIME, UM, TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.
BUT THEN ALSO IF THAT, UH, SO DID YOU ALREADY SAY THAT THE RUNOFF, UH, THE DATE, 'CAUSE I MISSED THE DATE ON THE SLIDE, THE RUNOFF DATE WILL, UM, BE THE SAT A SATURDAY IN DECEMBER DESIGNATED BY THE SECRETARY OF STATE.
SO IT'S, AND IT WILL BE THE FIRST OR THE SECOND.
IT'S, IT'S TYPICALLY THE FIRST OR THE SECOND.
PRIOR TO THAT CHANGE, WE, THE CITY WOULD GET WITH DALLAS COUNTY ELECTIONS AND SAY, HEY, I WANT MY ELECTION ON THE FIRST SATURDAY.
AND, AND NOW IN, LIKE, IN JUNE, I MEAN, UH, YEAH, IN JUNE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO TELL THE DALLAS COUNTY ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR, UM, WHAT DAY WE WERE WANTING.
BUT I, I'M ASSUMING OTHER ENTITIES TOO.
'CAUSE WE DID, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BUMP HEADS WITH SOME OTHER ENTITIES BEFORE ON WHAT THE FINAL RUNOFF DATE WOULD BE.
SO NOW IT'S DESIGNATED BY THE SECRETARY OF STATE.
NOW, UM, THE HOLDOVER STATUS, I JUST HAVE THE LAST QUESTION.
UM, UM, I UNDERSTAND WE'D BE IN HOLDOVER FROM BASICALLY MAY UNTIL THE NEW COUNCIL TAKES OFFICE.
UM, IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCES, UH, THAT WE WOULD EXPERIENCE, UM, IN OUR ROLES SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE THE HOLDOVER STATUS WILL GO PAST OUR, UM, FISCAL YEAR MARK, WHICH IS ALSO THE MARK OF NEW APPOINTMENTS.
UM, SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WOULD PROHIBIT US IN HOLDOVER STATUS TO MAKING THOSE NEW APPOINTMENTS? THAT TERM WOULD, WOULD BEGIN OCTOBER 1ST IN 2027.
THE ONLY CHANGE WITH THE HOLDOVER WOULD BE YOU JUST DON'T GET CREDIT.
YOU DON'T, YOUR, YOUR TIME STOPS.
YOU DON'T GET CREDIT FOR THOSE DAYS IN OFFICE.
DO WE GET PAID? E EVERYTHING ELSE REMAINS THE SAME.
YOUR ATTENDANCE, YOUR PAY AND, AND YOUR DUTIES.
IT'S JUST THAT YOU WON'T GET CREDIT FOR THOSE NUMBER OF, OF DAYS YOU'VE BEEN IN OFFICE.
IT KIND OF STOPS, UM, AFTER THAT JUNE DATE.
UM, CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN BY NOT GETTING CREDIT FOR, SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD WORK, WOULD WE ONLY BE CONSIDERED TO HAVE BEEN IN OFFICE THROUGH MAY OF 2027 THROUGH IN JUNE ACTUALLY, OR THROUGH JUNE? 'CAUSE TERMS OF JUNE TO JUNE, SO THAT'S EXACTLY, IT WOULD STOP THAT JUNE, I BELIEVE IT'S JUNE 16TH, BUT DON'T QUOTE ME ON IT.
BUT JUNE 16TH, 2027, LET'S SAY AFTER THAT DATE, AND I CAN PROVIDE THE EXACT DATE YOU WOULD STOP GETTING, UH, YOUR TIME WOULD STOP BEING COUNTED TOWARDS THAT TERM.
BUT ALL OF OUR PAY AND BENEFITS WOULD STILL BE IN PLACE THROUGH, LIKE, YOU GET CREDIT FOR YOUR TIME.
BUT DOES THAT INCLUDE GUESS CONTRIBUTION FOR OUR PEN? UH, OUR, UH, 401K FOR INSTANCE? LET ME, I DON'T, THE HR PART, LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT I MEAN BY TIME.
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YOUR, UH, WHEN WE TURN, WHEN WE ARE DETERMINING YOUR SENIORITY, UM, IT'S BY HOW MANY DAYS YOU ARE IN OFFICE, NOT YOUR HR TIME.IT'S THIS INDIVIDUAL'S BEEN IN OFFICE WHEN WE ARE CALCULATING OUR DAYS, THAT'S THE TIME I'M SPEAKING OF.
IT WILL STOP, UM, IN MID-JUNE OF 27.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, IT'S, IT'S, YOU, YOU, YOU'RE IN OFFICE.
BUT IF SOMEONE ASKS ME IF WE WERE BEING ASKED ABOUT HOW LONG WITH THIS COUNCIL MEMBER IN OFFICE, I WOULD NOT COUNT THOSE FIVE, SIX MONTHS THAT YOU ARE IN HOLDOVER.
UM, MADAM CITY SECRETARY, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, I DEFINITELY, UM, SHARED THE SENTIMENTS OF INCREASING VOTER TURNOUT.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY, UH, PROS AND CONS TO THIS.
UM, LET'S START OFF WITH, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA IS TO DEFINITELY INCREASE VOTER TURNOUT.
AND SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? ANY CHANGES FOR YOUR OFFICE TO HANDLE ADDITIONAL, POSSIBLY ADDITIONAL BALLOTS, ADDITIONAL PEOPLE COMING TO THE POLLS? DOES THAT CHANGE ANYTHING LOGISTICALLY FOR YOU OR FOR THE COUNTY? I CAN'T, UH, IT WOULD NOT CHANGE ANYTHING FOR OUR OFFICE.
UH, FOR THE, THE COUNTY, THEY WOULD ADD THE CITY OF DALLAS TO THEIR, UM, TO THE, TO THEIR BALLOTS IN, IN NOVEMBER VERSUS, UH, IN MAY.
UM, BRIAN OR ANY, I'M SORRY, THIS IS BRIAN.
FRANK FRANKLIN, HE'S THE ELECTION MANAGER IN OUR OFFICE, AND HE, UM, ALSO WAS A, UH, DALLAS COUNTY ELECTIONS, UH, MEMBER STAFF MEMBER.
SO DO YOU, ON YOUR SIDE OR YOUR KNOWLEDGE WITH, UM, WHAT GOES ON BEHIND THE SCENES WITH DALLAS COUNTY? WOULD IT BE A BIG CHANGE? NO, IT WOULDN'T BE A BIG CHANGE FOR THE COUNTY.
THEY WOULD ASSUME, JUST LIKE THEY DID WITH MESQUITE, IT WOULD JUST, UH, BE ADDED ON TO THEIR, UH, TO THEIR BALLOT, SO TO SPEAK.
BUT THEY WILL LOGISTICALLY DO THE SAME THING AS FAR AS SUPPLIES, AS FAR AS THE, UH, DIS DISTRIBUTION, AS FAR AS JUDGES, UH, IT WOULDN'T REALLY BE A CHANGE FOR THE COUNTY.
AND AS FAR AS, UH, PAYMENT TO THE COUNTY, UM, ARE WE CHARGED JUST FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION OR WE CHARGE PER VOTER? RICK, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? YOU'RE SURE.
UH, WHEN THE COUNTY CHARGES THE CITY TO CONDUCT THE ELECTIONS, ARE THEY DOING SO SOLELY ON THE ELECTION OR DOES IT, IS IT DETERMINED BY HOW MANY BALLOTS ARE CASTED? SO THEIR CALCULATION, THEY PROVIDE AN ESTIMATE AND, UH, WE COME TO COUNCIL WITH THAT ESTIMATE.
AND, UH, IN THAT, UM, CONTRACT, IT KIND OF STIPULATES, IF THERE IS A RUNOFF, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME, UH, APPROVAL PROCESS.
IT'S KIND OF PACKAGED, BUT IT'S TWO SEPARATE ELECTIONS.
AND THEY PROVIDE ESTIMATES BASED ON, UM, IT, IT, IT COMES DOWN TO VOTERS.
UM, IT'S, IT'S BY, IT'S BROKEN OUT BY, UM, UM, THE NUMBER OF VOTERS.
I THINK THAT'S HOW THEY COME UP WITH THEIR PERCENTAGE, THE NUMBER OF, UH, REGISTERED VOTERS IN EACH ENTITY.
SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S STARTS OUT, THAT'S THEIR, THAT'S THEIR BASE FOR THEIR CALCULATION.
AND THEN THEY WILL DO THE SAME THING DEPENDING ON WHICH ENTITIES OR WHICH, I'M SORRY, WHICH DISTRICTS ARE IN RUNOFF.
THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T, THAT'S WHY IT, WE, THEY CAN'T MAKE THAT ESTIMATION, UM, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CONTRACT.
'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHICH DISTRICTS ARE GONNA GO INTO RUNOFF, BUT IT'S, IT'S BASED ON THE NUMBER OF REGISTERED VOTERS.
AND SO WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION BY THE END OF DECEMBER.
UM, HELP ME EXPLAIN WHY WE COULD, COULD POTENTIALLY SUNRISE THIS TO A FUTURE COUNSEL THAT IS NOT APPROVING ON THEIR OWN, UH, EXTENSION OF, OF FIVE MONTHS.
I WILL DEFER THAT TO OUR CITY ATTORNEYS.
MR. CHAIR, COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? SURE.
UM, IT COULD APPEAR TO BE A LITTLE SELF-SERVING FOR US TO BE EXTENDING OUR, OUR TERMS BY FIVE MONTHS, EVEN THOUGH THIS HAS GONE THROUGH THE, THE CHARTER, THROUGH THE VOTERS AND THROUGH THE STATE LEDGE.
UH, IF, WHAT OPTIONS DO WE HAVE FOR A FUTURE COUNCIL,
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UH, TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION? OR COULD WE POTENTIALLY SAY, HEY, THIS GOES INTO EFFECT IN A FUTURE YEAR? THE VERY SHORT ANSWER IS REALLY WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE IT GO INTO EFFECT THE FIRST ODD NUMBERED YEAR AFTER, UH, DECEMBER, WHICH I BY MY MOUTH, IS 2027.UM, WHILE THE STATUTE ITSELF IS SOMEWHAT SILENT AS TO DELAYING IT, IF YOU WERE TO DELAY THE EFFECTIVE DATE, YOU WOULD BE DOING IT PAST THE WINDOW.
UM, AND CERTAINLY THE INTENT WAS CLEAR THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS TO MAKE IT APPLY THE, AT THE NEXT ODD NUMBERED YEAR.
AND SO BILLY, UM, HELP ME UNDERSTAND, YOU WENT OVER, UH, THE, THE DATES, UH, THE TERM WOULD BE EXTENDED TILL NOVEMBER, THIS TERM, THIS CURRENT COUNSEL'S TERMS WOULD BE EXTENDED TILL NOVEMBER OF, UH, 2026? NO, I BELIEVE IT'S, UM, DECEMBER, IT'S INAUGURATION TO INAUGURATION.
SO IT WOULD BE DECEMBER 20TH, 2027.
SO INAUGURATION WOULD BE SCHEDULED FOR THE FIRST WEEK OR THE THIRD WEEK OF DECEMBER.
SO I DON'T, THAT'S A, THAT'S A DETERMINATION MADE BY, UM, I GUESS THE COMMITTEE THAT'S, THAT HANDLES INAUGURATION.
BUT WHAT I KNOW IS THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE OFFICE, SO THE, YOU HAVE TO BE SWORN IN YOU.
AND WE DID THAT, I BELIEVE, IN 2023, WHERE THE COUNCIL WAS SWORN IN, UH, PRIOR TO THE INAUGURATION DATE.
THAT WAS BECAUSE OF THAT, I BELIEVE THAT JUNE 19TH HOLIDAY.
SO FOR ME, UM, IT'S THE SWEARING IN DATE TAKEOFF IS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE SWORN IN, UH, ON DECEMBER 20TH.
UM, INAUGURATION CAN HAPPEN AT ANY OTHER TIME FOLLOWING THAT.
UM, THE COST, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THE ELECTION IN NOVEMBER OF AUDI, OF AUDI YEARS, YOU MENTIONED, UH, I THINK THAT YOU FOUND OUT THAT THERE'S MAYBE ONE OR TWO OTHER CITIES THAT COULD POSSIBLY HAVE A RUNOFF IN NOVEMBER.
WHAT CITIES WERE THOSE? UH, MESQUITE AND GLEN HEIGHTS.
AND SO THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THOUGH, THAT DALLAS CITY COUNCIL ELECTIONS WOULD BE THE ONLY ELECTIONS IN A RUNOFF IN NOVEMBER OF A ODD YEAR.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS, THAT IS, YEAH.
AND SO WHAT WOULD BE THE COST TO THE CITY IF WE WERE THE ONLY, UM, ITEM ON THE BALLOT? WOULD THAT BE SHARED COST OR WOULD IT BE FULL TO THE CITY OF DALLAS? SO BECAUSE OF THOSE TWO ENTITIES, UM, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT, UM, MESQUITE AND, UH, GLEN HEIGHTS.
SHARED MEANS THERE ARE, UM, LOCATIONS THAT, THAT, THAT COME INTO CLOSE PROXIMITY OR, OR TO THE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO, UM, I I CAN JUST SAY IN IN SHORT ANSWER, UM, THERE WOULDN'T BE A LOT OF SHARED COST, UM, FOR THOSE SO THAT IF THEY WERE IN THOSE ENTITIES WERE TO GO INTO RUNOFF WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, WE WOULD, UM, WE WOULD SHARE ALMOST OVER 90% OR 90%.
WE WOULD SHARE THE BULK OF THAT.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE A-D-I-S-D OR DALLAS COUNTY.
THAT'S WHERE WE GET A LOT OF OUR SHARES OR EVEN DUNCANVILLE OR LANCASTER.
UM, BUT I WILL SAY IT'S A SHORT ANSWER ON COST.
YOU KNOW, IT, AGAIN, IT'S KINDA LIKE YOUR VOTER TURNOUT IS VARIABLES, BUT IT IS THE ONLY TIME, AND WE'VE LOOKED AT IT, THE ONLY TIME THAT IT, THERE MAY BE A POSSIBILITY OF, OF, OF NOT A SAVINGS IF, OR, OR AN OFFSET WOULD BE IF WE, THE RUNOFF WAS A MAYOR RUNOFF.
UM, BECAUSE IN DECEMBER, AGAIN, WITH GLEN HEIGHTS AND MESQUITE, WHICH REALLY WOULDN'T BE THAT MUCH COST SHARING, UM, WE WOULD STILL BEAR THE BULK OF THAT.
AND THAT MEANS WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO, UM, USE ALL OF THE LOCATIONS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS IN DECEMBER.
AND, UM, WHICH COULD LOOK LIKE A, UM, A TYPICAL RUNOFF ELECTION IN, IN, IN JUNE.
UM, SO WITH A MAYOR, IT COULD, COULD GET UP TO A MILLION DOLLARS.
THAT IS THE ONLY TIME WE WOULD, UM, POSSIBLY NOT RECOGNIZE THE SAVINGS.
'CAUSE IT COULD BE A, A WASH BETWEEN THE TWO, BUT IN, NO, FROM NOVEMBER COMPARED TO MAY, IT, IT WOULD BE A SAVINGS.
AND SO RIGHT NOW THE CITY OF DALLAS IN YOUR OFFICE IS ABLE TO CONTROL QUITE A BIT ON SITE LOCATIONS FOR VOTING CENTERS.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS MOVING FROM, UH, ELECTION DAY ON A SATURDAY TO ON A TUESDAY, IS WILL OUR, SOME OF OUR SCHOOLS BE LIMITED, OR DO YOU STILL FIND THAT SCHOOLS ARE ABLE TO HOST?
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UH, I THINK YEARS AGO THEY MOVED AWAY FROM SCHOOLS.THERE STILL MAY BE SOME SCHOOLS, BUT, UH, THEY MOVED AWAY FROM SCHOOLS FOR THAT, UM, SECURITY RISK AS WELL.
AND SO RIGHT NOW YOUR OFFICE HELPS DETERMINE THE LOCATIONS, WHAT CHANGE WOULD HAPPEN IF GOING TO NOVEMBER? SO THE PROCESS WOULD BE THE SAME.
THEY BY CONTRACT, THEY HAVE TO NOTIFY US OF THE LOCATIONS AND THE JUDGES.
UM, AND THEN THAT'S WHEN I WOULD MAKE COUNCIL AWARE OF, OF THAT.
UM, JUST AS A CAUTION, IT'S THAT WITH MAY ELECTIONS, IF A COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS TO USE THIS LOCATION OR THIS LOCATION, OR THIS JUDGE, OR MOVE THIS JUDGE, I WOULD SIMPLY NOTIFY THEM.
I, I, I WANNA USE THIS LOCATION.
AND, AND THIS PARTICULAR JUDGE, AND IT WAS DONE, IT WAS OUR ELECTION.
UM, WITH NOVEMBER, IT, IT WON'T LOOK LIKE THAT.
PROBABLY IT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION.
UM, AND, AND IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE.
UM, AND LET'S SAY YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, THE LARGEST ENTITY, THE, YOU KNOW, WHO'S ON.
AND THEN THE, AND LET'S SAY IF A-D-I-S-D IS ON, I HAVE A, YOU KNOW, THEY, IF THEY HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION OR EVEN DALLAS COUNTY, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HAVE TO THEN KIND OF, THERE'D BE SOME DISCUSSIONS ON, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, NOT USING THE LOCATION, WHATEVER IT IS.
I, I CAN'T JUST SAY NOT USE IT OR USE IT.
I WOULD HAVE TO, AGREEMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE BETWEEN THE TWO ENTITIES.
AND DALLAS COUNTY IS ALWAYS ON IT, SO IT WOULD BE THEM AND US, OR IF IT'S A LOCATION WITH THAT, THAT'S A-D-I-S-D LOCATION OR, OR IF THEY'RE ON THE BALLOT.
SO I GUESS WHAT I'M, MY POINT IS IT'S, IT'S, I I I CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE.
I WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A REQUEST.
WHO, WHO WOULD THAT REQUEST BE TO DALLAS COUNTY ELECTIONS ADMIN? UH, DALLAS COUNTY ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR.
AND I TYPICALLY HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE INDIVIDUALS.
LIKE I WAS SAYING, THE LAST THREE, I HAVEN'T MET THE, THE NEW ONE, BUT I WILL.
UM, AND SO, UM, WE'VE HAD CHALLENGES BEFORE, AND I'VE EVEN EXPERIENCED, I BELIEVE THEY, IT'S A, IT'S, IF, IF NO RESOLUTION IS MADE, THEN THEY DRAW.
WE HAVE TO KIND OF, I, I'VE BEEN THROUGH ONE OF THOSE WHERE WE HAD TO, UM, A DRAWING HAD TO BE DECIDED.
I MEAN, UH, DONE IN ORDER TO DECIDE OKAY, THE LOCATION AND THEN HOW WERE THE PARTIES INVOLVED IN A NOVEMBER ELECTION AS OPPOSED TO A MAY ELECTION.
SO NO, NOVEMBER OF ODD NUMBER OF YEARS, AND I MAY HAVE TO REFER TO MR. FRANKLIN HERE, BUT NOVEMBER OF ODD NUMBERED YEARS ARE NONPARTISAN.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO LOCATIONS THOUGH, UM, I BELIEVE DALLAS COUNTY IS DRIVES IT, OR IS IT THE PARTIES? I'M NOT, UH, I WOULD HAVE TO ASK MR. FRANKLIN ON THAT ONE TO CLARIFY.
SO THE, UH, POLITICAL PARTIES ARE A PART OF THE PROCESS AS, AS, AS FAR AS JUDGES AND LOCATIONS, UH, THAT'S SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY.
SO IN THAT REGARD, THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, UH, KIND OF LOCATIONS, JUDGES, THAT WOULD BE THAT, WHAT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WOULD ADOPT.
UH, AND SO MOVING FORWARD, WE WOULD USE THOSE LOCATIONS AND JUDGES.
SO THAT WOULD BE THEIR INVOLVEMENT.
NOW, AS FAR AS THE NOVEMBER OF ODD NUMBER YEARS, SINCE IT IS A, A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT YEAR, THERE IS NO INVOLVEMENT PARTY WISE, BUT WE STILL ARE UNDER THOSE LOCATIONS THAT WERE APPROVED AT TWO YEARS PRIOR.
UH, JUST A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.
UH, WE KNOW THAT IN, UH, NOVEMBER, UH, AS WE'RE ALREADY APPROACHING HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOVEMBER, IS WEATHER IS ALWAYS A, A CONCERN IN, IN THE CITY, UH, IN THE EVENT THAT THERE IS AN ICE STORM OR THE ROADS ARE, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, HARD TO NAVIGATE.
IS THERE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO EXTEND THE EARLY VOTING OR TIMES ON ELECTION? UH, ELECTION DAY? MM-HMM
THERE WOULD BE, UH, THE, BUT IT'S NOT OUR DECISION.
THEY ARE, I, I THINK THEY, BECAUSE THEY HOLD ELECTIONS IN MAY AND NOVEMBER, THEY'VE PROBABLY EXPERIENCED ALL OF THAT.
AND I, AND WE'VE HAD, AND I'VE SEEN WHERE THEY'VE EXTENDED BASED ON OTHER THINGS OTHER THAN NA UH, THOSE TYPE OF ISSUES, WHETHER ISSUES.
SO THE COUNTY, UM, UH, WOULD MAKE THAT DECISION.
AND I DON'T, I'VE SEEN THEM EXTEND, NOT FREQUENTLY, BUT I'VE SEEN THEM EXTEND ON CERTAIN CONDITIONS BEFORE.
I'M GONNA GO TO A SECOND ROUND, BUT I JUST WANNA THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE PROCESS.
IT HAS BEEN A, A LONG PROCESS, UM, AND LOOK
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FORWARD TO HEARING FROM THE FULL COUNSEL ON WEDNESDAY.AND, UH, AGAIN, UM, WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM MORE RESIDENTS.
WITH THAT, I'M GONNA START TO MY RIGHT THIS TIME WITH, UH, UH, CHAIR, UH, JOHNSON.
PRO TIM, I THINK I HEARD ONE ATTORNEYS, AND I, AND I CAN JUST ASK YOU, UH, CITY SECRETARY, UH, THIS WILL GO INTO EFFECT, THIS CAN GO INTO EFFECT OR POSSIBLY WILL GO INTO EFFECT, UH, IN 2027.
SO MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE, THE CHARTER, THE STATUTE THAT STATE IT MUST START IN 2027? IS THERE, I KNOW IT WOULDN'T SAY THAT NORMALLY 2027, BUT I GUESS THE FOLLOWING ELECTION CYCLE.
SO IS THERE A STATUTE OR POLICY OR CHARTER THAT SAYS THAT THIS MUST START, IT MUST START THE FOLLOWING ELECTION.
I'M GONNA LET THE ATTORNEYS COME FORWARD.
I JU IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE RES, THE RESOLUTION THAT'S, UH, BEING PRESENTED OR THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO, TO COUNSEL, AND THAT PROVIDES THE EFFECTIVE DATE.
MR. CHAIR, IN RESPONSE TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S QUESTION, THERE IS NOT A SPECIFIC STATUTE THAT SAYS IT HAS TO COME IN, UH, AT THE NEXT ODD NUMBERED YEAR.
HOWEVER, THE, UH, STATUTE THAT WAS PASSED, UH, THE, THE BILL SB 1494 GAVE A VERY LIMITED WINDOW FOR WHEN IT, WHEN THE RESOLUTION HAD TO OCCUR.
AND IT SAID FOR ALL ODD NUMBERED YEARS THEREAFTER, WHICH AT LEAST BY IMPLICATION WOULD BE 2027.
SO BY THE STATUTE OR THE LOG IS THE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IT, IS IT SAYING THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO IT IN 2027, OR COULD IT BE IN 2029? I'M JUST, I'M JUST ASKING IN SHORT, 2027.
IN SHORT, IT HAS TO BE IN 2027.
CAN YOU PROVIDE MY OFFICE WITH THAT? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO DO MORE RESEARCH ON THAT.
UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D BE HAPPY TO.
UM, ONE MORE QUESTION OF CLARIFICATION REGARDING THE, UM, HOLDOVER STATUS.
UM, SO WILL WE BE ABLE TO MAKE BOARD AND COMMISSIONS APPOINTMENTS IF WE'RE IN HOLDOVER STATUS? YES.
IT IS JUST THE CALCULATION OF YOUR, OF YOUR TERM SERVED.
IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'VE BEEN ASKED, OUR OFFICE HAS BEEN ASKED, HOW LONG HAS THAT INDIVIDUAL SERVED ON THE CITY COUNCIL? YOU'RE GONNA NOTICE, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENCE, UH, BY SIX MONTHS, UH, ON THE CALCULATION.
BUT EVERYTHING ELSE, YOUR DUTIES AND YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES, YOUR ATTENDANCE PAY, NONE OF THAT CHANGES.
IT'S JUST YOUR CREDIT FOR TERMS IN OFFICE.
UM, I'VE VOLUNTEERED TO GET OUT THE VOTE FOR MANY ELECTIONS.
IN 2017, WE DID THIS IN DISTRICT SIX, AND WE WERE ABLE TO INCREASE THE TURNOUT.
I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS, UM, SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF D SIX, JUST ABOUT MOVING THE ELECTIONS TO NOVEMBER, YOU KNOW, DECEMBER.
UM, I DON'T RECALL US REALLY TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE SPECIFICS OF THIS PROGRAM.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT DOES CONCERN ME ABOUT, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE GIVING SOME LOCAL CONTROL OVER TO THE STATE AND CHOOSING THE POLLING LOCATIONS.
UM, I, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS BASED ON JUST MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH DISTRICT SIX.
UM, AND THEN I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS APPOINTMENT.
SOMETHING I SPECIFICALLY DID AS CHIEF OF STAFF, AND I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THOSE ARE AND HOW HARD OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS WORK ON THOSE.
AND WE HAVE FIVE TERM LIMITED COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ALSO A MAYOR.
UM, IT SOUNDS AS IF WE CAN'T MAKE THE CHANGE TO OUR AMENDMENTS FOR THE NEXT ELECTION ELECTION.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH, WITH THIS DURING THAT TIME.
AND SO I, I KNOW THAT OUR VOTERS WHOLEHEARTEDLY, UM, AGREE TO THIS, BUT I DO HAVE CONCERNS AS THIS MOVES FORWARD.
MR. CHAIR, CAN I, CAN I, MAY I ADDRESS ONE, UM MM-HMM.
QUESTION OR ONE CONCERN COUNCIL MEMBER ANA HAS, AS FAR AS THE POLLING LOCATIONS, THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY ISSUES.
I DON'T KNOW IF I WAS CLEAR ENOUGH ON, UM, RIGHT NOW, IN MAY IT'S ABOUT 274 LOCATION, CITY OF DALLAS LOCATIONS THAT ARE USED.
BUT IN NOVEMBER, IT'S GONNA BE A 452.
DALLAS COUNTY IS GONNA USE ALL OF THEIR LOCATIONS.
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WE, THE CITY WILL NOT HAVE A POLLING LOCATION ISSUE.THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
JUST A CLARIFICATION QUESTION, UH, CHAIR.
AND IT'S BILLY, YOU HAD CITED THAT THE ESTIMATED COST FOR DECEMBER 20, 27 RUNOFF WAS A MILLION DOLLARS, ROUGHLY.
IS THAT RIGHT? IT COULD BE IF THERE'S A MAYORAL ELECTION.
IF THERE'S A MAYORAL ELECTION.
AND DO YOU RECALL THE COST OF THE JUNE, 2019 RUNOFF BE SIMILAR TO THAT? UM, SORRY.
YOU WANT THE COST OF THE JUNE, 2019 ELECTION RUNOFF? YEAH, THE RUNOFF ELECTION.
UM, I SEEM TO RECALL IT WAS SIMILAR.
AND MY, MY POINT BEING THAT ANY RUNOFF THAT WE HAVE IS GONNA BE A SIMILAR KIND OF COST TO THE CITY.
'CAUSE WE'LL PROBABLY BE ON OUR OWN OR SHARING IT POSSIBLY WITH DALLAS COLLEGE.
THERE ARE COST SAVINGS THAT, UM, THAT KEEP COMING UP ABOUT THIS IS, IS REALLY FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION THAT WOULD EITHER, THAT WOULD BE IN NOVEMBER.
SO THE RUNOFF, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A WASH NO, NO.
REGARDLESS, UM, OF WHERE IT IS IN THE SAVINGS CATEGORY? THAT IS CORRECT.
THAT IS, YOU, YOU COULD STAND ALONE, YOUR, NO, YOUR RUNOFF ELECTIONS, BECAUSE THAT'S AGAIN, UM, STANDARD.
BUT IF YOU'RE GOING MAY GENERAL ELECT GENERAL ELECTION TO GENERAL ELECTION, THERE WOULD DEFINITELY BE A SAVINGS.
SO, BUT, BUT THE, YEAH, THE GENERAL IN NOVEMBER WOULD BE A COST SAVINGS BASED ON WHAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, THE SHARED COST.
UM, RIGHT NOW, THE, THE PAST MAY ELECTION, THE COST, AND THAT'S ON YOUR AGENDA AS WELL.
UM, THE FINAL COST OF JUST THE MAY, UH, ELECTION WAS $1.1 MILLION.
IF WE WERE TO MOVE TO, UM, NOVEMBER AND THE LAST NOVEMBER ELECTION WE WERE IN, IT WAS A LITTLE OVER $500,000.
AND I'VE SEEN, UM, A PREVIOUS ONE LESS THAN THAT.
SO, UM, AND IT'S, IT'S BECAUSE IN NOVEMBER, THE COUNTY IS ALWAYS ON THAT, ON THAT BALLOT.
AND THE COUNTY ACCOUNTS FOR ALMOST 65%.
THEY, MEANING THEY ASSUME ABOUT 65% OF THE COST.
AND THEN IF YOU HAVE LIKE A-D-I-S-D SPECIAL ELECTION, I MEAN, IT, IT'S, AND I THINK THAT'S THE ONE THAT WAS LIKE $353,000, UM, ON THAT PARTICULAR ELECTION.
BUT THE, WITH JUST THE COUNTY ON THE ELECTION, UM, WHICH THEY WILL BE IN NOVEMBER, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, A, A HUGE SAVINGS THERE.
UM, SO IS THERE IS, UH, THERE'S NO WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THIS TRANSITION OF CHANGE WITHOUT, UM, THERE BEING SOME OF THE ELECTED WITHOUT THERE BEING MEMBERS OF THE ELECTED BODY IN HOLDOVER STATUS, RIGHT? THERE'S NO WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THIS.
I'M TRYING TO ASK, THE YEAR THAT WE DO THIS DOES NOT, UH, IS NOT AN ANOMALY ON, ON HAVING FOLKS GET AN EXTRA SIX MONTHS, FOR INSTANCE, IN OFFICE.
WOULD, IT WOULD BE THE SAME IF WE WERE TO DO IT IN 29, WOULD IT BE THE SAME IF IT WERE TO BE DONE AT A LATER DATE? I MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THE TRANSITION WITHOUT, AS, AS, AS THE WAY THAT I INTERPRET IT.
BUT WE WANTED TO GET CLARIFICATION AGAIN, I'M GONNA HAVE TO GET THE ATTORNEYS TO, TO WEIGH IN ON THAT MR. CHAIR.
UH, IN RESPONSE TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S QUESTION, YES.
NO MATTER HOW YOU DO IT, WHICH CAN ONLY BE 2027, IT WOULD REQUIRE THE HOLDOVER STATUS OF COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UM, NOW ON A COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED SPECIFICALLY ON, UM, THE ELECTION DAY AND THE LOCATIONS, UM, I, I THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT PROHIBITED US FROM CHANGING FROM THE PRECINCT LOCATION, UH, ON ELECTION DAY SPECIFICALLY.
ISN'T THERE A DIFFERENCE IN, IN THE, THE ABILITY WE HAVE TO CONTROL LOCATION ON EARLY VOTING VERSUS ELECTION DAY? UM, I UNDERSTAND YOU SAID YOU'D HAVE TO PUT THE REQUEST IN, BUT IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ELECTION DAY WAS HANDLED DIFFERENTLY, UM, THAN EARLY VOTING.
THAT WE WERE, WE WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE VOTING CENTERS.
SO THE OVERALL COUNTYWIDE PROGRAM, WHICH IS MAINTAINED BY DALLAS COUNTY, AND
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IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO, UM, WHAT MR. FRANKLIN WAS MENTIONING, IT'S THOSE LOCATIONS WERE DETERMINED, SET, AND APPROVED.SO WE HAVE THIS, AND I'M GONNA SAY 4 52, IT'S AROUND THAT NUMBER.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE NUMBER ACCORDING TO, UM, THE COUNTY.
WE CAN GO DOWN, CAN'T GO UP, BUT IF WE DO, IT HAS TO BE, THERE'S A PROCESS FOR THAT.
UM, NOW EARLY VOTING, THERE ISN'T, AND I DIDN'T MENTION THAT ONE, EARLY VOTING ON THOSE EARLY VOTING LOCATIONS, THEY DON'T USE, THEY DON'T ROLL OUT ALL 452.
THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A, A SET 50, I BELIEVE, UM, OF LO EARLY VOTING LOCATIONS THAT DALLAS COUNTY WILL, AND THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, UM, WILL PROVIDE TO US, THEY STILL DETERMINE THE LOCATIONS.
OF THOSE 50 FOR EARLY VOTING, THEY DO WITH EARLY VOTING, ALLOW FOR ENTITIES TO, WE CAN'T SAY TAKE IT OFF THE LIST, BUT IF WE WANTED AN EXTRA LOCATION, AN EARLY VOTING THERE, THEY DO PROVIDE A, A, A, A REQUEST FORM FOR US TO REQUEST WITH HOWEVER WE WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR THAT.
AND, UM, AND, AND IF THERE ARE, I NOTIFY COUNCIL, LOOK, WE'RE GOING TO ADD PER THIS COUNCIL MEMBER, AND, AND, AND IT'S GONNA COST US, AND THEY CHARGE THAT ENTITY THE COMPLETE COST OF USING THAT LOCATION.
SO WE HAVE THAT MECHANISM THERE, I THINK, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? YEAH.
UM, JAKE, UM, REGARDING THE LEGISLATION 1494, UM, WAS THAT SPECIFIC TO A, A MUNICIPALITY? WAS THAT SPECIFIC? WHAT, WHAT DID THIS WINDOW ALLOW FOR? UM, AND I ASK, UH, BECAUSE I'M CURIOUS IF WE HAVE DONE ANY, UM, DUE DILIGENCE IN TALKING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS WELL.
UH, JAKE ANDERSON, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS, UH, SB 1494, UM, APPLIES TO CERTAIN POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS, WHICH INCLUDE MUNICIPALITIES.
UM, DALLAS COLLEGE, AS YOU HEARD, IS ALSO CONSIDERING THE, UM, THE CHANGE HERE IN DECEMBER, BUT THE ISDS ACTUALLY HAD A SEPARATE BILL THAT WAS PASSED THAT ALLOWS THEM TO MOVE THEIR ELECTION DATES, AND IT GIVES THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY.
THEY DO NOT HAVE TO DO IT BY DECEMBER OF 20, UH, 2025.
THEY HAVE UNTIL 2030 TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THIS COUNCIL WERE TO CHANGE, UM, ITS ELECTION DATES, UM, AND THEN WANTED TO GO TALK TO THE ISDS, THEY WOULD HAVE MORE TIME, UM, TO DO THAT.
HAVE WE HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ISDS TO, TO WORK IN TANDEM WITH US SO THAT THERE IS EVEN MORE OF A SAVINGS AND TURNOUT IMPACT? N NOT ANYTHING, UM, UH, OFFICIAL, UH, THERE, UH, I'VE, I'VE TALKED WITH SOME COLLEAGUES, UM, AT SOME DIFFERENT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, INCLUDING DALLAS COLLEGE ABOUT WHAT, ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
BUT, UM, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE, SO BE A POLICY CONVERSATION THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS WOULD HAVE AND, UH, WOULD DIRECT STAFF TO HAVE.
AND THEN JUST IN RESPONSE TO MR. CHAIR'S QUESTION ON, UM, ELECTION DAY AND ISD, DO WE KNOW IF THIS IS, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE CALENDAR FOR THE NEXT SCHOOL YEAR, BUT IT SEEMS THAT THIS IS LIKE, I THINK THE THIRD YEAR IN A ROW THAT THEY'VE CLOSED SCHOOL DISTRICT WIDE ON ELECTION DAY.
UM, IS THAT INTENDED TO BE A CONSISTENT, UH, EXPECTATION WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT? YOU MAY RESPOND YEAH.
THAT, THAT WAS DONE TO, UH, FOR SECURITY REASONS.
UH, WITH ACTUALLY PEOPLE GOING INTO THE POLLS.
SO, UH, IT WAS CHANGED A FEW YEARS AGO TO ALLOW THE SCHOOLS TO CLOSE.
UH, SO THAT I WOULD THINK WOULD, UH, CONTINUE.
UM, SO I, I, I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THOUGH, BECAUSE I, UH, WITH NOT JUST BECAUSE OF BEING ABLE TO OPEN UP SCHOOLS, BUT ALSO JUST THE, UM, THE EMPHASIS ON, UH, GETTING PEOPLE TO THE POLLS, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS CLOSED AND, UM, UH, ACTUAL HOLIDAY DESIGNATED, IF YOU WILL, UM, FOR ELECTION DAY, THAT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S A BIG DEAL, UM, TO HELP DRIVE THAT TURNOUT UP.
SO, UM, THANK YOU'ALL FOR YOUR, UH, ANSWERS, AND THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE ON THE, UH, COMMITTEE OR FROM THOSE VISITING? SEEING THAT I'M JUST GONNA CLOSE OUT WITH, UM, WOULD THIS, I KNOW THAT HISTORICALLY IN DALLAS AND THE CITY, WE VOTED ON ELECTRONIC, UH, SYSTEMS. IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT MOVING THIS TO NOVEMBER WOULD COST FOR PAPER BALLOTS IF REQUESTED BY ANYONE? THERE WOULD BE NO COST.
I MEAN, THE, AGAIN, DALLAS COUNTY HOLDS THE ELECTIONS MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGH THE
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YEAR.SO, SO, I'M SORRY, THE, THE QUESTION IS, IS NOT A COST, BUT WOULD THERE BE A CHANCE THAT WE COULD GO TO PAPER BALLOTS AT THE REQUEST OF A PARTY THAT WOULD BE A DALLAS COUNTY DECISION? AND I HAVEN'T ASKED THAT QUESTION OF DALLAS COUNTY.
I CAN, I CAN ASK AND GET BACK WITH THE, THE, UM, THE COUNSEL ON IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF GOING TO PAPER BALLOTS.
I KNOW THERE WAS A CONSIDERATION, UM, A PARTICULAR PARTY, UH, THIS UPCOMING CYCLE FOR IT TO GO TO A PAPER BALLOT.
AND THAT IS A DISCUSSION BETWEEN THAT PARTY AND THE, UH, COUNTY AS FAR AS THEM DOING IT SEPARATELY LIKE THAT.
BUT IF YOU WOULD WANT TO, WE COULD PROBABLY DO THAT SAME TYPE OF REPORT.
YEAH, WE CAN HAVE THAT FOR, FOR WEDNESDAY.
AND THEN, UH, JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY OPEN TO, UH, CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION AND, AND HEARING, UH, FROM RESIDENTS.
UH, ONE OF THE OTHER CONCERNS THAT I DO HAVE IS A ELECTED, UH, BODY THAT IS POTENTIALLY TERMED OUT OR MIGHT, UH, NOT BE RETURNING.
UH, THOSE MEMBERS WOULD BE SELECTING BOARDS AND COMMISSIONERS AND APPROVING A FIVE A POINT, YOU KNOW, A $2 BILLION BUDGET, UH, WITH A NEW COUNCIL COMING IN.
UM, WE WOULD HAVE STILL HAVE TO ADOPT THE BUDGET IN OCTOBER, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND I'VE LOOKED AT THAT MYSELF, BUT TO ME, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, INCOMING COUNCIL COMES IN IN, IN JUNE, AND THAT IS MORE THAN, OR HALFWAY, A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, WAYS INTO THE CITY'S BUDGET.
AND A LOT OF TIMES IT'S RIGHT THERE AT THE AMENDMENT AND THAT JULY RECESS AND THEN THEIR AMENDMENTS AND ADOPTIONS.
WHEREAS IF YOU WERE TO MOVE TO DECEMBER, YOU'RE COMING, THE COUNCIL, NEW COUNCIL WILL BE COMING IN AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF, AFTER THAT OUTGOING COUNCIL'S DECISIONS.
UM, IN OCTOBER OR ONCE THAT'S, UH, THAT BUDGET IS, IS, UH, THAT NEW FISCAL YEAR IS IN PLACE IN OCTOBER, IN DECEMBER, YOU'LL HAVE A NEW COUNCIL COMING IN, WHICH WILL HAVE, IN MY OPINION, MORE TIME TO GET FAMILIAR WITH THE BUDGET INSTEAD OF COMING IN RIGHT.
SO IT, THAT COULD BE A BENEFIT, BUT THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT.
WELL, THANK YOU, UH, SEEING YOU.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION.
WE'LL BE MOVING ON, UH, MADAM SECRETARY WITH, UH, ITEM B.
AND THIS IS JUST A MEMO IF ANYONE HAS ANY.
BILLY RAY, IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST MAYBE GIVING A QUICK HIGHLIGHT AND THEN YES, I'LL BE, WE CAN MOVE, BE REAL BRIEF.
SO ALSO ON YOUR WEDNESDAY'S AGENDA IS AN ITEM I DID PLACE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
AND IT IS REGARDING THE MAY, 2025 ELECTION.
UM, WE GO THROUGH AFTER THE ELECTION PER CONTRACT, UH, WE HAVE THE COUNTY HAS X AMOUNT OF DAYS, 180 DAYS TO GIVE US THE FINAL AUDIT OF THAT.
AND THEY HAVE DONE THAT ALONG WITH OUR, OUR, AND I'LL NOTE, OUR JUNE RUNOFF.
SO THEY'VE PROVIDED THE FINAL NUMBERS.
WHEN I COME TO COUNCIL WITH YOU GUYS, I'M BRINGING THE ESTIMATED, THEIR ESTIMATED NUMBERS.
SO THEY HAVE PROVIDED, UM, UM, A FINAL COST FOR THE MAY, UM, ELECTION TO BE AT.
AGAIN, I MENTIONED 1.11 MILLION, $142,000, A LITTLE OVER THAT AMOUNT.
THEIR ESTIMATE WAS $1,000,033.
SO THERE'S A VARIANCE OF $109,000 THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING, UH, A PAYMENT FOR.
AND I WILL NOTE THAT A COUPLE ELECTIONS BEFORE WE HAD SOME, UM, SOME ISSUES WITH, UM, THEIR ELECTRONIC SYSTEM, LOCATIONS, PERFORMANCE ISSUES.
AND, UM, THIS IS PRIMARILY THE REASON I WANNA BRING IN THIS OR OR TALKING ABOUT THIS, IS THAT WE TALKED EXTENSIVELY AND COUNSEL GAVE CLEAR DIRECTIVES ON, UM, WHAT THEY WOULD PAY FOR AND NOT PAY FOR.
AND SO WE PUT TOGETHER, WE WORKED, OUR ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WORKED WITH US ON, AT THE BEGINNING OF IT, UH, PUTTING LANGUAGE IN THE CONTRACT FOR THAT.
AND IT HAD LIKE THREE TRIGGERS.
UM, WELL, TWO BIG ONES, TWO BIG TRIGGERS.
AND ONE IS IF THERE WAS A FAILED, UM, SYSTEM, THEIR POLL BOOKS.
THAT WAS A BIG ISSUE IN NOVEMBER, ACTUALLY, UM, WHERE THOSE, THAT SYSTEM WAS, UH, HAD SOME ISSUES.
UH, SO WE PUT IN LANGUAGE THERE TO WATCH THAT.
'CAUSE THE ELECTION, TWO ELECTIONS PRIOR TO THAT IS WHEN WE HAD VERY BAD, UM, UH, WE HAD POLLING LOCATION ISSUES WITH IT.
SO I AM, UM, SO THIS $109,000 IS EXTRA COST COSTS, ADDITIONAL COSTS.
I'M BRINGING IT FORWARD BECAUSE WE DID LOOK CLOSELY AT IT.
I'M, I GUESS I'M KIND OF PROUD TO, 'CAUSE WE'VE WATCHED IT THIS PAST ELECTION.
THERE WERE NO, THEY PUT IN THAT NEW, UM,
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EPO BOOK AND THAT WORKED.DIDN'T AFFECT DALLAS COUNTY, I MEAN CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, THERE WERE NO ISSUES THERE WITH THE SYSTEM AND POLLING LOCATIONS.
THERE'S, UH, DOCUMENTS THAT DALLAS COUNTY, UH, DOES ON A DAILY BASIS WHEN THERE'S ELECTION, IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES, THEY, THEY HAVE THIS CALL CENTER AND WE, UH, WATCH THOSE SHEETS AND WATCH THOSE THINGS THAT COME IN THROUGH THE ENTIRE ELECTION.
SO THERE WERE NO, UM, MAJOR ISSUES, UM, WITH THIS MAY ELECTION OR EVEN OUR, OUR RUNOFF ELECTION.
SO THEREFORE I DID, OR I HAVE PLACED AN ITEM BEFORE COUNCIL TO PAY THEM THE ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF $109,366 AND 44 CENTS.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR ON WEDNESDAY.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE AS WELL, IS THAT THE JUNE RUNOFF ELECTION, THEY DID PROVIDE FINAL COST AND, UM, WE WILL REDO BACK A REFUND OF $59,296 AND 9 CENTS.
SO WE LIKE TO LOOK AT THE ELECTION WITH THE MAY AND JUNE IN IT.
SO THE NET OF THAT IS ABOUT A $50,000, UM, UM, INCREASE OVERALL TO THIS MAY AND JUNE, 2025 ELECTION.
UM, BUT I KNOW THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS BEFORE WITH PAYING DALLAS COUNTY, BUT I DON'T SEE AN, A REASON NOT TO PAY DALLAS COUNTY THIS $109,000.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR ANYONE SEEING NONE? THANK YOU, MADAM SECRETARY.
WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR FINAL DISCUSSION ITEM ITEM C.
THIS IS TOMMY MOLO, UH, ASSISTANT HR DIRECTOR, UM, PITCHING FOR NINA.
UM, HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MEMO THAT WAS SENT OUT LAST WEEK AND TO, UM, LOOKING FORWARD DIRECTION FROM THIS COMMITTEE.
UM, I'LL JUST START OFF BY, UM, ASKING HOW THE, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO THE, UM, COOPERATIVE, UH, PURCHASING, UM, SELECTIONS, HOW DID WE NARROW DOWN THE SCOPE FROM, I THINK WE HAVE DOZENS AND DOZENS OF, UH, OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE, BUT HOW, HOW DID WE NARROW DOWN THE SCOPE? SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LOOKING AT ALL THE DIFFERENT, UM, COMPANIES OR SERVICES THAT ARE WITH THE CO-OP AGREEMENTS, THE TEAM REACHED OUT TO, UM, ALL FOUR COOPERATIVE PROGRAMS TO SEE WHO WAS IN THE BUSINESS OF PROVIDING THOSE EXECUTIVE SEARCH.
AND WE NARROWED IT DOWN TO, UM, 15, UH, SEARCH COMPANIES.
AND OF THOSE 15, HAVE WE REACHED OUT TO THEM DIRECTLY TO SEE IF THEY WOULD BE AT ALL INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING? YEAH, WE, WE, WE HAVE, UM, I BELIEVE ON THE BOTTOM OF THAT LIST OF THE MEMO, WE'VE IDENTIFIED WHICH ONES HAVE SHOWN INTEREST AS OF, UH, FRIDAY WHEN THIS MEMO WAS SUBMITTED.
I BELIEVE ONLY NINE HAVE ANSWERED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT COULD CHANGE IF WE HAD ANY RESPONSES, UH, AS OF THIS WEEK.
UM, I'M GONNA START TO MY RIGHT HERE WITH CHAIR STEWART.
UM, SO SOME OF THESE SEEM TO BE VERY FOCUSED ON CERTAIN TYPES OF, UM, POSITION.
I WAS LOOKING AT THIS YESTERDAY AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, UM, MAYBE SOME WERE MORE ENGINEERING OR SCIENCE BASED.
UM, SOME WERE MAYBE FOCUSED ON PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
SO I KNOW THIS, I I'M JUST TRYING TO, WHAT'S YOUR NEXT STEP? WOULD YOU GUYS GO THROUGH THIS AND, OR, OR WHO'S GONNA GO THROUGH THIS LIST AND BEGIN TO FIND, UM, YOU KNOW, A COMPANY THAT THAT LOOK, THAT FEELS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD, UM, UM, IDENTIFY THAT, BUT MAYBE AS A MORE OF A PROFESSIONAL, UM, LEGAL POSITION VERSUS, YOU KNOW, UH, ENGINEERING POSITION OR HEALTHCARE.
SOME, I MEAN, I'M JUST GOING THROUGH THERE.
I JUST, I JUST NOTICED SOME OF THEM ARE MORE SPECIALIZED.
SO, UM, AS I RECALL, THE LAST CONVERSATION WAS TO FIND OUT WHICH, UH, ORGANIZATIONS WERE PART OF THESE CO-OPS TO PROVIDE A LONG LIST WITHIN THAT LONG LIST.
THERE'S ONLY SEVERAL, UH, SEVERAL OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT REALLY SPECIALIZE IN THIS SEARCH.
UM, HR CAN PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED OFF OF, YOU KNOW, PAST HISTORY, UM, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATIONS, WHO, WHO'S OUT THERE FROM OUR PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCES.
AND WE CAN SHORTLIST THAT DOWN TO MAYBE THE TOP THREE OR TOP TWO.
DO YOU REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE SEARCH FIRM THAT WE USED IN OUR MOST RECENT SEARCH FOR THE INSPECTOR GENERAL? I, I DO.
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ONE ON THE LIST ON THERE, ON THAT SHORT LIST IS THE MGT.I KNOW YOU'RE JUST PRESENTING INFORMATION, BUT IT'S, UM, WE, WE, THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE IN THE SELECTION PROCESS LED BY THAT TEAM, SO IT WAS JUST PUZZLING TO ME WHY THEY ENDED UP ON THIS LIST.
SO, SO, SO OUR, OUR, YOU KNOW, HRS PERSPECTIVE WAS TO PROVIDE EVERYONE THAT WAS ON THE CO-OP LIST, NOT TO SWAY OR PERSUADE OF WHO'S NOT ALLOWED THERE.
SO WITH, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS GONNA BE, UM, UNDER ADVISEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, BASED OFF THIS COMMITTEE AND THAT PAST HISTORY, UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT IS NOT SOMEONE THAT WE WOULD DO OUR RECOMMENDATION AS OUR SHORT TERM LIST.
BUT WE JUST WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY TRANSPARENT WHO WAS ON THE CO-OP.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL WERE CRYSTAL CLEAR ON OUR, WE'RE VERY AWARE OF THAT
BUT, UM, WE WOULDN'T, NO, NO DO-OVERS HERE.
UM, I WILL JUST ECHO, UH, MY COLLEAGUE SENTIMENTS ON, UH, MGT.
AND AS FAR AS A SHORT LIST, UM, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH AT LEAST FOUR OR FIVE ON A SHORT LIST.
BUT IF YOU CAN GUIDE ME A LITTLE BIT ON THOSE NEXT STEPS OF THOSE FOUR AND FIVE, WOULD THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, THIS, UH, COMMITTEE TO INTERVIEW THOSE THAT MAKE A SHORT LIST? YEAH, I, I BELIEVE THAT'S ONE OF THE ACTION STEPS THAT WE LISTED OUT AS WELL.
SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS, UM, THE TEAM CAN GO BACK AND, UM, IN CORRELATION WITH DIRECTOR, UH, HR DIRECTOR NA IS WE CAN GO AND PROVIDE A VERY SHORT LIST BASED OFF EXPERIENCES.
IT MAY BE EVEN SHORTER THAN THAT.
UM, IT MAY BE ONLY ONE OR TWO BASED OFF OF, AND ONE THING THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT, WE LOOK AT THEIR PAST PORTFOLIO, THEIR ACTIONS, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE YOU A VERY SOLID, UH, REPUTABLE, UM, COMPANY TO WORK WITH.
UM, SO WE COULD DEFINITELY DO THAT IN THE MEMO FORMAT AND IN CONVERSATION.
SO I'M GONNA GO AROUND AND, AND JUST LET COMMITTEE MEMBERS GIVE THEIR RECOMMENDATION ON HOW MANY THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON A SHORT LIST.
I KNOW THAT THROUGH MY EXPERIENCE WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH INTERVIEW PROCESSES, WE TYPICALLY HAVE ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE.
BUT I WILL LEAVE THAT UP TO THE MEMBERS OF THIS, UM, COMMITTEE.
UM, CHAIR STEWART, I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE LIST, BUT ANY FOUR OR FIVE WOULD BE GREAT.
YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE SIR? UH, NO.
ALL RIGHT, SO I'LL JUST LIKE TO REMIND COMMITTEE, UM, YOU KNOW, MY, MY GOAL IS TO BE ABLE TO, UH, MAKE THIS A, A FAIR PROCESS, BUT A QUICK PROCESS.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE SELECTING AN IG THAT IS, UH, FULLY VETTED, THAT'S FULLY GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A PERMANENT IG PUT IN PLACE, UM, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
WITH THAT, I SEE OUR ASSISTANT, UH, CITY MANAGER, THANK YOU, CHAIR DANZEL GIBSON, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I SUMMARIZE WHAT I BELIEVE THAT WE HEARD TODAY IN THE DIRECTION THAT CAME FROM THE COMMITTEE, WHICH IS ONE TO EXCLUDE MGT FROM THE FOUR TO FIVE THAT YOU ASK US TO BRING BACK.
AND THAT STAFF IS GOING TO ACTUALLY WORK THROUGH THE SHORT LIST.
'CAUSE AT ONE TIME, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION AT THE PRIOR COMMITTEE MEETING THAT, THAT THIS COMMITTEE MIGHT ACTUALLY GLEAN AND ACTUALLY DECIDE WHICH FROM THE, UH, COOPERATIVE.
SO STAFF WILL GO AND ACTUALLY DO THAT STEP AND SHORTLIST IT.
AND THEN, UH, AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT SHORTLIST, BRING BACK THOSE COMPANIES FOR AN ACTUAL INTERVIEW TO THIS COMMITTEE.
AND, AND WHAT I'LL DO IS 'CAUSE, 'CAUSE I, I RECALL THAT, UM, LET, LET'S LEAVE THIS OPEN.
IF YOU GUYS GO THROUGH THOSE 15 OR RATHER 14, UM, FIRMS, AND IF YOU SEE SOMEONE THAT REALLY STICKS OUT TO YOU GUYS, WE'LL FORWARD THAT TO STAFF.
UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE THE TIME IS 1235 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.