* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. WELCOME [00:00:01] TO THE DECEMBER MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION. IT IS, UM, 1 0 9, UH, IN THE AFTERNOON ON DECEMBER 1ST, 2025. AND I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER. UM, I'M EVELYN MONTGOMERY, THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION. WE DO NEED TO VOTE ON ACCEPTING OUR VICE CHAIR FOR TODAY WHERE THE PROPOSAL IS. COMMISSIONER PREZI. SO ALL COMMISSIONERS IN FAVOR OF COMMISSIONER PREZI SERVING AS VICE CHAIR. PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL KIND OF YOU. ALRIGHT. YOU, YOU SHALL BE THE VICE CHAIR WHO, WHO IS ABOUT TO HAVE JOBS, SO THAT'S WHY WE NEEDED TO SIGN HIM IN. NOW, ELAINE, COULD YOU PLEASE, UH, DO A ROLL CALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS? WE DO HAVE A QUORUM AVAILABLE. DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER CUMMINS. PRESENT? DISTRICT TWO. COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY. PRESENT? DISTRICT THREE. COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN. PRESENT? DISTRICT FOUR. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. PRESENT, DISTRICT SIX. COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA. PRESENT? DISTRICT NINE. COMMISSIONER RENO. PRESENT. DISTRICT 12. COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER. PRESENT. DISTRICT 13. COMMISSIONER POSI PRESENT. DISTRICT 14. COMMISSIONER HARPER. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER ZU PRESENT. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON PRESENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ELAINE. UM, AND NOW WHAT WE WILL DO IS, UH, WE HAVE SOME WORK TO DO WITH OUR AGENDA IN OUR BRIEFING. EARLIER, WE DECIDED THAT THERE WERE THREE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH WE WISH TO MOVE TO DISCUSSION SO THAT WE COULD DISCUSS THEM MORE FULLY. AND THREE ITEMS ON THE DISCUSSION AGENDA, WHICH POTENTIALLY COULD BE MOVED TO THE CONSENT AGENDA WHERE THEY WOULD BE DETERMINED, THEY WOULD BE VOTED TO FOLLOW WHATEVER THE STAFF RECOMMENDED. SO, UM, SHOULD I MAKE THE MOTION TO DO THAT? DOES THAT HAVE THEM WRITTEN DOWN ? OH, UH, OR DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION? OKAY. SO I WOULD MOVE THAT WE MOVE THE FOLLOWING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS TO THE DISCUSSION AGENDA. THAT WOULD BE C ONE, C FIVE, AND C SEVEN. SECOND, UH, THANK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. AND THEN, WE'LL, I SHOULD DO THE DISCUSSION ITEMS ONE AT A TIME SO THAT IF PEOPLE HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT ONE, UH, I ALSO MOVE THAT WE MOVE DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER THREE TO CONSENT AGENDA. SECOND. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND, MR. ANDERSON. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES. YES AND YES. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, I MOVE THAT WE MOVE, MOVE. DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER EIGHT TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT HAS CARRIED. I ALSO MOVE THAT WE MOVE DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER SIX TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. THE ONLY QUESTION WE HAD ABOUT THAT ONE WAS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THE FENCE THEY WERE REQUESTING WAS THE ONE WE SHOULD APPROVE, BUT WE HAVE RECEIVED FURTHER INFORMATION THAT GENERAL ZONING WOULD NOT APPLY, WOULD NOT ALLOW A FENCE OF THAT HEIGHT ANYWAY, NO MATTER WHAT WE SAID. SO. CORRECT. SO WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDED THEY DO ON THAT PARTICULAR APPLICATION STILL HOLDS TO BE THE BEST POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION WE CAN MAKE. SO THAT IS DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER SIX TO MOVE TO CONSENT. SECOND. SECOND. UH, MR. CUMMINGS WON THAT RACE , UH, ALL SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SING THIS. YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. NOW THAT WE'VE COMPLETELY MESSED UP OUR SCHEDULE , UM, THERE WERE ALSO A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT ARE ON OUR AGENDA THAT STAFF HAS INFORMED US WILL NO LONGER BE ON THE AGENDA, AND I THINK STAFF COULD ADDRESS THAT. ONE ITEM THAT'S ON THE AGENDA THAT WE CANNOT HEAR TODAY BECAUSE OF A TYPO ON THE, UM, ON, ON THE AGENDA ITSELF IS I DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 13, IT'S LISTED AS THREE 17 NORTH CLINTON AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN THREE 17 SOUTH CLINTON. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S NOT ON THERE. NOW, THERE THERE IS ONE, UH, CONSENT ITEM THAT WE MOVED TO. UH, WE DID AS ROUTINE. WE'VE ALREADY DONE IT, BUT YOU, YOU MIGHT, IT MIGHT AS WELL STAY IN, IN CONSENT, UM, AND GET APPROVED SINCE IT'S ALREADY ON THE AGENDA. OKAY? ALRIGHT. NOW, COMMISSIONER PREZI BELIEVE YOU HAVE MOTIONS TO MAKE. YEAH. OKAY. SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL ON THE FOLLOWING ITEMS UNDER CONSENT, UH, C TWO, C3, C FOUR, [00:05:01] C SIX, C EIGHT, C NINE, D THREE, D SIX AND D EIGHT. AND WAS THAT APPROVAL OR TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS? UH, IS THIS TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND, UM, CERTIFICATE OF ELIGIBILITY ITEMS? YES. ARE THEY ALSO INCLUDED IN THIS MOTION? WE CAN ADD A C CCE ONE, CCE TWO, AND CCE THREE TO THAT AS WELL. WE KNEW YOU WERE GONNA SAY THAT. SORRY. PREPARING TO REPEAT IT. . ALL RIGHT, I'LL GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN. THIS THE, THE NUMBERS ARE ALL OVER THE BOARD HERE. OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, CONSENT TWO, CONSENT THREE, CONSENT FOUR, CONSENT SIX, CONSENT EIGHT, CONSENT NINE. DISCUSSION THREE, DISCUSSION EIGHT, DISCUSSION SIX. UH, THE EXEMPTION ONE, EXEMPTION TWO, AND EXEMPTION THREE. SECOND. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THIS MOTION HAS, HAS CARRIED. UM, A, A COUPLE OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS DID INVOLVE DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE. THEREFORE, STAFF WILL INFORM APPLICANTS OF THEIR REDRESS IF THEY WISH TO GO TO CPC OR IF THEY WISH TO RETURN WITH A DIFFERENT APPLICATION. UH, HOPEFULLY AFTER LISTENING TO STAFF'S, GOOD ADVICE ABOUT WHAT TENDS TO BE, UM, BETTER FOR THE WHOLE OVERALL PROGRAM. ALRIGHT, NEXT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO NOW I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO RE REARRANGE THE AGENDA AS FOLLOWING. UH, WE HAVE C ONE, C SEVEN, D ONE, D TWO, D FIVE, D NINE, D 11, D 14, C FIVE, D FOUR, D SIX, D SEVEN, D 10, AND D 12. AND HOPEFULLY I GOT ALL OF 'EM. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPEAT THEM FOR ALL OF US. 'CAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE TO WRITE THE D'S AND C'S, IT TAKES EVEN LONGER . SURE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. STARTING OVER. HERE WE GO. C ONE, C SEVEN, D ONE, D TWO, D FIVE, D NINE, D 11, D 14, C FIVE, D FOUR, D SIX, D SEVEN, D 10, D 12. REAL QUICK QUESTION. D SIX WAS IN THERE. HOW ABOUT SOME COURTESY REVIEWS? OH, YES. YEAH. COURTESY. YES. WE HAVE FIVE COURTESY REVIEWS TODAY. LET'S, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. LET'S, YEAH, LET'S . ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO LET'S PUT, UH, COURTESY REVIEW TWO AND WELL, LET'S COURTESY REVIEW TWO IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WE HAVE PRESENT. SO LET'S PUT THEM UP FIRST AND THEN THE CR ONE, CR THREE, C FOUR, AND C FIVE AT THE END. IT A COMPLEX DAY, NEED DAY, WE NEED A BIG BOARD TO WRITE THIS SONG. A VERY COMPLEX DAY. YES. OKAY. YOU YOU NEED ME TO RESTATE THAT? ALL RIGHT, ONE MORE TIME. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE DOING FROM THE TOP, CR TWO, C ONE, C SEVEN, D ONE, D TWO, D FIVE, D NINE, D 11, D 14, C FIVE, D FOUR, D SIX, D SEVEN D 10 D 12 CR ONE CR THREE CR FOUR C FIVE. I GOT IT SECOND. ALRIGHT, NOW THAT WE ALL GOT IT AND WE SECONDED IT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? YES. YES, YES. OKAY, SO WE ARE THERE. NO NOS. ANYONE OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, SO, UH, COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER WILL BE READING THE TASK FORCE. SO THAT MEANS THAT OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS CR TWO. COURTESY REVIEW TWO IS LOCATED AT 26 0 1 STATE STREET IN THE STATE THOMAS HISTORIC DISTRICT, COA DASH 25 DASH 3 25. I'M MARCUS WATSON PRESENTING. THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO AND A HALF STORY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL MAIN STRUCTURE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO AND A HALF STORY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL MAIN STRUCTURE BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION MUST BE APPROVED AND OBTAINED FOR THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS [00:10:01] WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW. ALL RIGHT, AND WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS LISTED. YOU WANNA, OH, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO TELL ME. TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS. REMOVE SHADOW LINES FROM ELEVATION DRAWINGS. THEY'RE CONFUSING. PROPOSED DOORS ARE TOO MODERN. COULD THE SQUARE PATIO OPENINGS IN THE ROOF LINE BE INCORPORATED INTO DORMERS TO LOOK MORE HISTORIC, PROVIDE MORE MATERIALS, COLORS, AND WINDOWS THAT FINE, UH, PROVIDE MORE MATERIALS, COLORS, AND WINDOW DOOR SPECIFICATIONS. CONSIDER BETTER TREATMENT OF, OF RUTH STREET PATIO OPENINGS. NEED TO PROVIDE BLOCK, FACE FACADE, STUDY AND CONTACT. ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS REGISTERED FOR THIS. I ASSUME YOU ARE MICHAEL MCGEE AND IS JENNIFER HIRA MOTO ALSO HERE. OKAY, SO YOU'RE GONNA GO FIRST. MAKE SURE MAY JUST BE YOU MICROPHONE. OKAY. MAKE SURE THAT MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON, THAT IT'S GOT A SHINING LIGHT OR SOMETIMES FOR TALL PEOPLE YOU JUST HAVE TO BEND OVER. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. SO THE WAY YOU HAVE TO BEGIN HERE IS TELL ME YOUR, YOU KNOW, HOW, TELL YOU, BUT TELL ME YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. MICHAEL MCGEE. UH, 1 0 8 8 8 CAPROCK CIRCLE. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PROJECT OR MIKE? YOU CAPROCK CIRCLE. IT'S, IT'S A THING THAT ALL PUBLIC SPEAKERS DO AT DALLAS. 7 5 2 1 8. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. OKAY, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US MORE ABOUT YOUR PROJECT AND THEN, UM, IF MR. MS. MOTO DOESN'T ALSO WISH TO SPEAK, THEN WE'LL JUST START ASKING Y'ALL QUESTIONS AND JUST LET ME KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO JUST SAY NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. UH, I THINK WE CAN SKIP THE, THE ELEVATION OF THE PLAN THAT WAS ALREADY SUBMITTED AND WE'VE ADDED SOME MATERIALS. THIS WOULD BE THE, UH, SETBACK PLAN TO SHOW THAT WE ARE CONFORMING WITH THE REST OF THE BLOCK AS PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THEM ARE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE. UH, NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF, UH, THE BRICK THAT WE'RE CONTENDING ON USING. IT PROBABLY WON'T BE THE SAME MORTAR COLOR. IT'LL WON'T BE A A WHITE, BUT IT'S FOR THE EXAMPLE OF KIND OF THE RED BRICK MIX. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A SPEC FOR THE METAL ROOF THAT WE WERE INTENDING USING. IT SHOULD BE A GRAY COLOR. I THINK IT SHOWS THERE AS THE EXAMPLE OF GREEN IF WANT BE GREEN. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE WINDOWS. UH, THIS IS A SERIES FROM ANDERSON THAT IS VINYL, BUT IT HAS A MORE TRADITIONAL PROFILE THAT, UH, WE BELIEVE FITS WITH THE CONTEXT OF, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE WINDOW SHOULD BE, UH, WOULD BE A WHITE CHARGE. UH, NEXT SLIDE. AND THIS IS EXAMPLES OF THE DOORS. SHOULD BE PAINTED WOOD WITH, UH, SOME PLAING AT TOP. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, ANYTHING, UH, MS. WE BELIEVE THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT'S, THAT'S NEW. OTHER THAN THAT, JUST, UH, WE HAVE THE ELEVATIONS THAT WE THINK IS CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BOTH SCALE AND STYLE. WE KINDA, UH, SKIP, I, I DON'T WANNA TAKE ALL YOUR TIME, BUT WE KIND OF SKIPPED THE, THAT'S THE FRONT ELEVATION THERE. SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE LARGER ONE, IT'S THE SIDE. YES, THAT'S THAT, THAT'S THE ALLEY SIDE. THE BACK, THE OTHER SHORT SIDE IS THE FRONT AND THEN THE LONG WOULD BE THE ROOF SIDE THAT, THAT THE SIDE FACING THE OTHER. ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE START TALKING? AND OF COURSE, SINCE IT'S A COURTESY REVIEW, THE IDEA IS DISCUSSION WHERE WE WILL BRING UP ANY CONCERNS OR HINTS OR DISLIKES, IF ANY WE MIGHT HAVE. AND THEN YOU CAN TELL US WHY YOU LIKE IT THAT WAY OR WHAT ELSE YOU [00:15:01] MIGHT DO OR, OKAY. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, I NOT TIME FOR QUESTIONS? YES, I, UNLESS MS, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. DOES WANT IT, IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THAT THERE ARE PORCHES ON STRUCTURES IN ST. THOMAS? LET ME DOUBLE CHECK THAT IN THE CRITERIA. I THINK THERE IS, BUT IF YOU COULD LET ME KNOW IN THE MEANTIME. OKAY. LEMME VERIFY. DOES MS. HER MOTO STILL HAVE NOTHING TO ADD OR DO YOU WANT TO OKAY, , I I HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. UH, WHAT STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE IS THIS? UH, WE'RE TRYING REALLY A STYLE TO FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE WAY WE UNDERSTAND IT, IT'S MORE A VICTORIAN STYLE. OKAY. BUT IT'S GOT CRAFTSMAN DOORS. UM, I HAVE A COUPLE CONCERNS ALSO. UH, THERE, I THINK THERE'S ONLY 1 BILLION HAS A MANSARD ROOF. UH, THE, THE METAL MANSARD IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY UNUSUAL. I DON'T THINK THAT MATERIAL'S GONNA WORK, UM, FOR THIS LARGER STRUCTURE. AND ALSO IT, IT'D BE BETTER IF IT WAS DIVIDED INTO UNITS WITH DOORS. THERE ARE SOME TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENTS IN STATE THOMAS, BUT THEY ARE LIKE INDIVIDUAL UNITS THAT, THAT ENTER ONTO THE STREET. I KNOW YOU HAVE AN UNDERGROUND PARKING GARAGE, BUT THERE REALLY NEEDS TO BE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE AN UNDERGROUND WELL, IS THERE UNDER, UNDER BUILDING? IT'S, IT'S ON THE GROUND FLOOR. GROUND. OKAY. GROUND FLOOR. SO THEY ENTER OFF THE, OFF THE PARKING GARAGE. THEY ENTER OFF THE PARKING GARAGE. UH, THERE'S ALSO FRONT ENTRY. DOES EVERY UNIT HAVE A FRONT ENTRY? YES. CAN YOU GO TO THE SIDE VIEW? I ONLY SAW ONE DOOR. IS THAT ONE WHOLE, THERE'S ONE DOOR ON, THERE'S TWO ON THE SIDE. TWO DOORS. OKAY. AND THEN ON THE STRAIGHT, THE STATE STREET SIDE, THAT DOOR OPENS TO STATE. OKAY. ON THE FIRST, ON THE FIRST, I GUESS I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY UNITS THERE ARE. HOW MANY UNITS ARE IN THE BUILDING? SIX. AND THERE'S SIX DOORS TO THE OUTSIDE? YES. OKAY. TO ME, THIS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A TOWNHOUSE PROJECT. IT LOOKS LIKE A BIG APARTMENT BUILDING WITH A COUPLE OF DOORS. I I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE MORE TO THE STREET. I MEAN, MORE PORCHES, MORE FEELING OF PEOPLE LIVING THERE. UM, THE, THE METAL MAN SIDE ROOF DOESN'T WORK. THE ASYMMETRICAL PORCH. UM, GABLES DON'T I, I THINK THE WHOLE THING NEEDS TO BE MORE, IF IT'S VICTORIAN, IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE MORE ASYMMETRICAL AND, UM, MORE PORCHES. PROBABLY NOT, NOT A MANSARD ROOF. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE WORKED ON. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, UM, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT THERE IN THE CORE SUBDISTRICT THAT THERE BE A COVERED FRONT PORCH THAT EXTENDS ACROSS AT LEAST 50% OF THE FRONT THE SIDE. SO PART OF THE CONCERN I HAVE IS THIS IS A VERY LARGE BUILDING, PROBABLY LARGER THAN MOST THINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MOST OF THE OTHER TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENTS ARE MORE LINEAR WITH INDIVIDUAL UNITS LIKE SIX IN A ROW. UH, THEY, THIS NEEDS TO FEEL MORE LIKE A VICTORIAN TOWN, LIKE A ROW HOUSE HAS TO HAVE PORCHES. UM, I THINK THE MANSION ROOF IS WRONG. THE METAL ROOF IS WRONG. DEFINITELY NEEDS TO HAVE PORCHES AND MORE OF A FEELING OF ENTRY TO THESE UNITS. ALRIGHT, MICHAEL? YEAH, UH, SORRY, GO AHEAD, . SORRY. UM, NO, I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO, UM, HIDE THE GARAGE DOORS TO ACCESS THE, THE BUILDING FROM THE CENTER. UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THE PRESSURES OF TRYING TO TAKE ALL YOUR BUILDABLE PLANNED AND BASICALLY NOT HAVE PORCHES, BUT HOWEVER, I I THINK THOSE ARE, UM, CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS THAT YOU, YOU WILL HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO TRY AND ACCOMMODATE THOSE. UH, MARCUS I'M NOT SURE IF, IF THAT RECOMMENDATION WORKS FOR TOWN HOMES AS WELL OR IS IT FOR EVERY STRUCTURE THAT'S IN THE DISTRICT? I MEAN, RESIDENTIAL FOR THE PORT YOU MEAN? YEAH. UM, EACH MAIN BUILDING EV EVERY MAIN BUILDING. OKAY. BUT IN THE, IN THE, UM, BUT WHEN THERE ARE SIX TOWN HOMES FOR INSTANCE, WOULD THAT MEAN THAT THERE ARE SIX OR IS IT 'CAUSE IT'S STILL RED AS ONE? I THINK I WOULD READ IT AS THE, THE STATE STREET FACADE NEEDS A, A PORCH THAT'S AT LEAST 50% OF THE FACADE. I THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S [00:20:01] ALL I READ IN THAT PARAGRAPH. RIGHT. SO WOULD IT SUFFICE TO HAVE TWO PORCHES THAT COVER THE FRONT GABLE PARKS? IT JUST, IT DOESN'T SAY YOU'RE LIMITED TO ONLY ONE, SO IT COULD BE TWO AS LONG AS IT'S 50%. TWO TO COVER 50%. SO IT DOESN'T BE ONE LONG PORCH LIKE A RESORT OR SOMETHING. . YEAH. IT DOESN'T SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO. UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. SO TO, TO GO BACK TO, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON'S COMMENTS ABOUT, UM, HELPING IT READ MORE AS RESIDENTIAL, UM, AGAIN, FOR CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS IN THE, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF A PORCH WOULD BE ESSENTIAL. UM, I HEARD WORD, I, I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE, IN THE PROPOSAL, UM, THAT THERE WAS, UM, UM, SORT OF A SURVEY DONE OF, OF OTHER ADJACENT ARCHITECTURE AND TO SEE HOW THAT ARCHITECTURE COMPARED WITH YOURS. UM, SO THAT IT FELT LIKE IT WAS IN CONTEXT. UH, ONE OF THE EXAMPLES WAS ACTUALLY THE, THE HOUSE, THE, THE LARGER HOUSE. I THINK IT'S CONVERTED ON THE OPPOSITE END. AND THAT'S A ONE STORY, UH, NO, OR TWO STORY? NO, IT'S A, THE TWO STORY. THE ONE ON THE, ON THE RIGHT. THE BOTTOM RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. 'CAUSE EVEN THAT ONE, YOU CAN SEE HOW LARGE OR HOW PROMINENT THE PORCH IS ON, ON THAT ELEVATION. UM, SO IS THE REQUIREMENT THE, THE REQUIREMENT FOR THAT, THAT PORCH IS ON STATE STREET? WELL, BECAUSE IT'S ON A CORNER LOT, I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S BOTH. AND YOU HAVE ADDRESSES. WELL, SO FOR INSTANCE, THE TOWNHOMES THAT ARE ON, UM, THE SITES ON, UH, RUTH, UM, ARE THOSE NOT THEIR PHYSICAL ADDRESSES? SO BECAUSE THERE'S TWO MORE UNITS OF FACE, WELL, THREE, TWO UNITS SPACE, UH, STATE STREET AND THEN, UM, TWO MORE BASE, RIGHT? YEAH. THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO FRONT ONES, TWO BACK ONES, AND THE TWO MIDDLE ONES BASED ON RIGHT. BUT I GET BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE WHERE THERE ENTRANCE IS ON? EXACTLY, YES. THERE'S TWO THAT FADE OUT. RIGHT. SO, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE A TERRIFIC OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A PORCH EXPRESSION TOO. YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY NEED IT ON THE SIDE ELEVATION WHERE YOU'RE SHARING IT WITH ANOTHER LOT, RIGHT? YEAH. SO I MEAN, BECAUSE AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS TO FEEL LIKE IT BELONGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK THAT'S GONNA GO A LONG WAY. UM, MY OTHER COMMENT IS ON THE, THE ROOF, UH, FORM THAT YOU'VE CHOSEN. UM, OKAY. IT APPROACHES VICTORIAN ONLY BECAUSE THE SLOPE IS, IS STEEP ON, ON THOSE THREE GABLES, FOR INSTANCE, ON, UH, ON ROO STREET. MM-HMM . BUT THAT, IN MY MIND, THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY MOVE THAT DOES. UM, THE PORK CHOPS ON THE ENDS OF THE, THE GABLES ARE QUITE LARGE. UM, AND THEN THAT MIXED WITH A MANSER ROOF. I THINK IT'S, I I THINK THAT'S STILL ADVISED. UM, I'M NOT, HAS THIS COME BEFORE CONSENT? ONE OTHER TIME. OKAY. SO THIS IS STILL THE FIRST TIME. YEAH, I, I THINK THAT THIRD FLOOR REALLY NEEDS A LOT OF WORK, UM, TO TRY AND INTEGRATE IT BETTER. THANK YOU. WAS THERE A REASON FOR, OH, SORRY, GO AHEAD. IS IT, IS IT JUST THE, THE USE, IS IT THE USE OF THE MANFORD OR IS IT THE COMBINATION OF YEAH, I, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, EVEN THERE'S A NUMBER OF MODERN EXAMPLES IN, UH, IN ST. THOMAS AS WELL. SO THIS IS KIND OF RIDING THE LINE BETWEEN, I MEAN, I'D CALL IT TRANSITIONAL. IT'S NOT REALLY MODERN AND IT'S NOT REALLY HISTORIC HISTORIC EITHER. UM, UH, I WOULD, I WOULD LEAN TOWARD MAKING IT MODERN. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE CAN BE A DIFFERENT WAY TO, TO MANIPULATE THE, THE THIRD FLOOR TO HELP BRING THE, THE SCALE OF IT DOWN. I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE INTRODUCTION OF A ANSWER, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT EVEN, THAT'S NOT A REAL ANSWER EITHER. SO, UM, UH, I GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD ON THAT ONE. I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE A BETTER IDEA FOR YOU, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM MY SEAT. BUT, UM, UM, I'D SUGGEST THAT YOU, THAT YOU, I WOULDN'T MIND IF YOU DID GO IN A MODERN DIRECTION, BUT AGAIN, IT NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, UH, REFINED. SO WHEN, AND I GUESS AGAIN, ARE, ARE, ARE YOU SAYING BY NEEDING TO GO MODERN THAT THE MANSFORD WOULDN'T BE A, OR DOES IT JUST NEED TO BE, SO, OKAY, LEMME PUT IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. I DON'T THINK IT FEELS LIKE IT'S THE RIGHT SCALE FOR THE, UM, FOR THE OVERALL BUILDING. THE FACT THAT IT OVERHANGS THIS, THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, IS NOT REALLY A, A REAL ANSWER DETAIL EITHER. UM, I, UH, [00:25:01] I APOLOGIZE AGAIN. I I, AND I KNOW I'M TRYING TO NOT TO MAKE IT, UM, UM, SORT OF SUBJECTIVE. IT'S GOOD. SO THEN I'LL LEAN BACK ON, UM, YOU KNOW, IS IT THE PROPER SCALE? DOES IT FEEL LIKE THE MATERIALS ARE HARMONIOUS? DOES IT, UM, PICK UP ON MASSING ELEMENTS THAT YOU DO FIND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS, AS BASIC BUILDING BLOCKS THAT THOSE WERE THE THINGS I WOULD, I WOULD BORROW FROM, UH, FROM YOUR CONTEXT. YEAH. UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS GETTING TO AS WELL. I THINK BOTH OF YOU HIT HIT IT ON THE HEAD ON, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON AND COMMISSIONER RENO. UH, YOU'VE GOT, UH, CONFLICTING STYLES AND IT'S NOT REALLY A STYLE, UM, WITH THE, THE GABLE AND THEN THE MANSARD, AND I THINK THE MANSARDS AN VISED APPROACH AS WELL. UM, IT'S GOT TWO DIFFERENT SLOPES ON HERE. THE, YOU'VE GOT IT. IT, IT, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S A, A CULMINATION OF A FEW THINGS AND, UH, SEEMS LIKE YOU KIND OF NEED TO NARROW DOWN THE DESIGN APPROACH ON THAT ROOF AND, UH, AND CARRY THAT THROUGH. I THINK, UM, PICKING UP PORCHES I THINK IS GONNA CURE THAT, UH, APARTMENT, UH, BIGGER APARTMENT FEEL THAT THIS IS NOT WANTING TO, UH, GRAVITATE TOWARDS IT. IT WANTS TO BE MORE A TOWN HOME, BUT IT IS, I THINK THAT PERSONAL APPROACH IS GONNA GET YOU THERE WHEN YOU START DRAWING AGAIN. UM, SO I BASICALLY AM JUST CONFIRMING WHAT BOTH OF THEM HAVE SAID AS WELL. I THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTIONS THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA BE WANTING TO ADHERE TO IS WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE HEARING. YEAH. JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. MARCUS, DID YOU SAY THIS IS IN THE CORE SUBDISTRICT? WHICH SUB ARE WE ACTUALLY IN? IS THAT A QUESTION FOR ME? I'M SORRY. YEAH. WHICH, WHICH SUBDISTRICT ARE WE IN? IS THIS IT IT'S THE CORE SUBDISTRICT. IT IS IN THE CORE. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE ORDINANCE. AS I, AS I READ IT, IT SAYS RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS IN THE CORE DISTRICT ARE LIMITED TO THREE DWELLING UNITS PER STORY, AND SIX OVERALL. BUT I SEE THIS AS SIX IN AN INDIVIDUAL DUE TO, DUE TO NEW STATE LAW, UM, EIGHT 40 SENATE BILL EIGHT 40. WE REALLY CAN'T, UH, SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF UNITS OR THE DENSITY. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE DESIGN THOUGH. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE YOU WISH TO DISCUSS? OKAY, NO ONE ELSE SEEMS TO BE IN LINE. SO GO AHEAD. I JUST REALIZED I DON'T THINK IT HAS A RAISED FOUNDATION IS ARE THERE STEPS THEY GET INTO THE BUILDING? THERE ARE NOT, WELL THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE, IT NEEDS TO HAVE AT LEAST A TWO 18 INCH FOUNDATION. IT NEEDS TO HAVE STEPS UP. THAT'S PART OF THE CONCERN I HAD IS THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY FEELING OF ENTRY. UM, IT NEEDS TO HAVE, UH, AT LEAST 18 INCHES FOUNDATION STEPS UP TO THE PORCHES THAT ARE NOT THERE. AND I WOULD SUGGEST YOU LOOK AT, THERE ARE TWO OR THREE OTHER TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENTS, VICTORIAN TOWN HOMES, DEVELOPMENTS, AND STATE THOMAS. I THINK YOU NEED TO TAKE A CUE FROM THAT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT MESS EVEN A TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. ANYBODY ELSE? SO I HAD ONE QUESTION THOUGHT. UM, SO THIS, THE WAY YOU ENTER THE PARKING AREA, YOU CAN DRIVE THROUGH THE FRONT OR THE BACK. YES. THERE'S A HOLE IN THE BUILDING, ESSENTIALLY. YEAH. THE ONE ON THE FRONT IS GONNA MAKE IT AWFULLY HARD TO ACHIEVE THAT. HERE'S TOWN HOMES WITH PORCHES AND DOORS KIND OF LOOK. IS THERE ANY WAY THEY COULD JUST ENTER FROM THE BACK AND YOU COULD HAVE MORE, UH, COMPLETE FACADE ON THE FRONT PART? UH, WE COULD LOOK INTO IT POTENTIALLY. UM, SOMETIMES THAT, THAT'S BEEN ALSO PART OF THE DISCUSSION OF IT, JUST BEING ABLE TO ENTER FROM THE ENTER FROM THE BACK, BEING THAT IT'S AN ALLEY, AND A LOT OF TIMES THE CONDITION OF THAT ALLEY, I THINK THIS ONE DOES HAVE THAT ABILITY. THE, THE ONLY HINDRANCE IS THE MORE YOU CLOSE OFF THAT, THAT FRONT, THOSE FRONT UNITS NO LONGER HAVE, UH, GARAGE ACCESSIBILITY. HMM. OKAY. WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA WORK THAT OUT, BUT I THINK YOU'RE ALSO GONNA HAVE TROUBLE WORKING OUT YOUR FRONT FACADE TO, TO MEET THE NEIGHBORHOOD EXPECTATIONS WITH THAT DRIVE-THROUGH ENTRY IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. [00:30:01] , IT'S JUST, UM, YEAH, . SO THAT'S, THAT'S QUITE A CHALLENGE. YOU COULD STAY UP NIGHT THINKING ABOUT HOW YOU COULD DO THAT AND YOU'RE FREE TO DO SO. SO , UM, I'VE GOT ONE OTHER SUGGESTION. UM, I REALIZE THAT CENTRAL, UH, DRYWALL IS WHAT, PROBABLY 24, 26 FEET WIDE JUST FOR MANEUVERING TO BE ABLE TO BACK OUT AND SO FORTH. BUT, UM, IF IT IS ONE WAY TRAFFIC, FOR INSTANCE, IF THERE WERE ONE WAY TRAFFIC, THE, THE OPENING INTO THE CARRIAGEWAY, I WOULD CALL IT, UH, WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE THAT FULL WIDTH, WHICH YOU COULD REDUCE IT TO MORE LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A, A CAR WITH SAY 12 OR 15 FEET AND MAKE IT MORE MANAGEABLE THAT WAY. UM, SO YOU'D STILL HAVE THE MANEUVERABILITY INSIDE ONCE YOU PASS THAT PORTAL. SAME THING ON THE ON, MAYBE YOU DON'T NEED IT ON THE ALLEY SIDE. I THINK THAT THE, THE FACADE FACING STATE STREET IS OBVIOUSLY MORE, UH, UH, MORE NOTICEABLE, MORE PRONOUNCED. UH, BUT THAT WOULD BE A SUGGESTION TO HELP REDUCE THE, JUST THE SCALE OF THAT GARAGE OR THAT, UH, CARRIAGEWAY OPENING. I JUST, ONE MORE COMMENT IS A GARAGE ENTRANCE ON STATE STREET, EVEN APPROPRIATE. I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE FRONT FACING GARAGES. THIS IS A FRONT FACING GARAGE OPEN. THIS ISN'T, IT'S NOT A GARAGE IN THE SENSE THAT IT, IT DOES NOT HAVE A GARAGE DOOR. IT'S JUST A CARRIAGEWAY, UH, TO DRIVE THROUGH TO GET TO YOUR GARAGE, WHICH IS BEHIND ME. WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IS IT APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A ENTRANCE TO A PARKING LOT ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE BUILDING? I BELIEVE ALL THE, I I THINK THERE'S MORE TO THAT. I, I THINK THERE'S A LOT TO THAT ANSWER. UM, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS, IS MAKE THIS IN SOME WAY READ AS LIKE SPLIT UP BUILDINGS INSTEAD OF ONE GIANT FACADE. SO I THINK THAT WAS KIND OF THE, THE IDEA WAS THAT IT WOULD READ THAT WAY IF IT WERE JUST, IF I WERE JUST BUILDING A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE. NO, I WOULDN'T HAVE A BIG, YOU KNOW, CARRIAGEWAY ON THE FRONT, BUT I THINK THIS WAS THEIR ATTEMPT TO TRY TO BREAK UP THE FACADE SO IT WASN'T ONE BIG FACADE. I'LL LET, I'M, MAYBE I'M SPEAKING OUT OF TURN, BUT, WELL, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS, IS THAT FRONT FACADE APPROPRIATE IN THE STATE THOMAS HISTORIC DISTRICT? NOTWITHSTANDING WHAT THEIR CONCEPT IS OR WHAT THEY WANNA DO? I DON'T THINK IT IS. I THINK HAVING A FRONT FACADE WITH A HOLE IN A THAT CARDS DRIVE THROUGH IS NOT THE STATE THOMAS HISTORIC DISTRICT. THAT'S MY OPINION. RIGHT. AND I, THAT'S FOR Y'ALL TO DECIDE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE WITH A COURTESY REVIEW. I DON'T GIVE AN A A WELL BEFORE HE GOES FORWARD WITH SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T LIKE. MAYBE WE SHOULD TALK MORE ABOUT IT. WELL, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP TO HIM THAT IT WAS SOMETHING TO RECONSIDER. AND OF COURSE, RIGHT NOW THEY'VE GOT A NARROW GABLE FRONTED PORTION AND A WIDER GABLE CORDED PORTION THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE STANDOUT PARTS. AND THEN THE BACKGROUND PARTS ARE ACTUALLY MUCH BIGGER THAN THOSE TWO. SO IF YOU RETHOUGHT THAT AND MADE THE GABLE PARTS BOTH WIDER AND MORE SIGNIFICANT, PERHAPS THAT WOULD DRAW ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE HOLE IN THE WALL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OR MAKE IT LOOK MORE LIKE A MORE TRADITIONAL CARRIED HOUSE. RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S A FRONT FACING GABLE AREA OR THAT BACKGROUND AREA, IT'S LIKE HALF EACH NEITHER DOMINATES THE WAY I THINK YOU WANTED IT TO. AND IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE IT, LOOK, I'M SORRY TO, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT WHETHER IT LOOKS PRETTY OR NOT, BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE IT LOOK AS ATTRACTIVE AS IT COULD IF IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE, MORE REGULAR, MORE EXPECTED. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, YOU EXPECT A CERTAIN KIND OF MASSING, PERHAPS SYMMETRICAL IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN STATE STREET. SO YOU COULD PROBABLY REWORK A LOT OF THINGS AND ANSWER A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I REALIZE I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DO. WE'RE SAYING WE DON'T THINK THE MANSON ROOF WORKS, AND I REALIZE YOU HAVE A WHOLE OTHER MASSING ISSUE. IF YOU MAKE IT JUST A THIRD FLOOR, IT GETS EVEN HARDER. BUT, SO I, I'VE TRIED TO EXPRESS THAT I HAVE FULL SYMPATHY FOR YOU THAT, UM, YOU, YOU NEED TO REVISE SOME OF THIS STUFF, BUT I'M SURE YOU COULD DO IT. I DON'T KNOW YOU, BUT I'M SURE I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN YOU THAT YOU CAN DO THIS. UH, I DID WANNA ASK, SO ON THE CONCERNS ON THE OPENING, IS IT THE OPENING SOLELY OR IS IT THE APPROACH? THE DRIVE THE DRIVE WOULD BE A CONCERN TOO. MY, I AND, AND HE, I THINK COMMISSIONER ANDERSON JUST DOESN'T WANT THERE TO BE A CAR ORIENTED OPENING IN THE FRONT, BUT I THINK IT MADE COMPOSITION OF YOUR FACADE DIFFICULT, KIND OF IMPOSSIBLE. YOU START WITH THAT AND THEN YOU HAVE TURN EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND IT AND THAT MAKES IT NOT WORK SO WELL. WELL, I, I WAS JUST ASKING BASED ON THE DRIVE UP, 'CAUSE I THINK 'CAUSE THE DRIVE UP, AND MAYBE I'M NOT REMEMBERING, LIKE THE OTHER SITES, I BELIEVE HAVE A FRONT DRIVE THERE, THERE ARE SOME, UM, THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO DISTRIBUTE AND SOME SORT OF DRIVE UP IN THE FRONT HAS OCCURRED. THE BIG GAPING HOLE IN THE FACADE IS, IS NOT SOMETHING THAT TENDS TO BE SEEN. YEAH, [00:35:01] I, I MEAN, I THINK WHAT YOU WOULD FIND MORE COMMON WOULD BE, UH, THAT A PRO, IT DOESN'T REALLY APPROACH THIS, BUT IT'S SIMILAR IN USE IS THAT, UH, WOULD BE A PORT COHA. NOW THE FACT THAT THERE IS A, A VERY LARGE MASS, I MEAN, IT'S AN ENTIRE UNIT THAT SITS UP THE, OVER THE TOP OF THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, RENDERS IT WAY LARGER THAN A, THAN A PORT COHA. AND EVEN HAVING A PORT COHA IN THE CENTER OF A MASS IS OPPOSED TO ON THE SIDE OF ONE. UH, THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE THE COMPARISON STARTS TO FALL APART. UM, I I DON'T HAVE ANY CLEAR IDEAS ON HOW TO SAVE THIS ONE. I, I I WOULD CONSIDER A DIFFERENT TYPOLOGY, JUST A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION OF THE WAY THE MASSES ARE. I, I KNOW YOU'RE TRACK GOING FOR EFFICIENCY AND I CAN, I CAN SEE THAT IN THE PLAN, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S SACRIFICED, UH, THE IMPORTANT PARTS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO, TO FEEL LIKE IT BELONGS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I BELIEVE THAT'S GONNA BE A SIGNIFICANT HURDLE THAT DOESN'T LOOK TOO PROMISING, HAVING THE OPEN THIS BIG OPEN PART OF YOUR BUILDING. SO START MAYBE SEEING HOW CREATIVE YOU CAN GET ON THE OTHER OPTIONS TO JUST PARK IN THE BACK OR, YOU KNOW, IN THE ALLEY SIDE. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? , ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN CRITICIZE OR PHRASE? ALRIGHT, THEN I GUESS THAT IS THE HELP WE CAN OFFER YOU AT THIS STAGE. I, YOU KNOW, THE COURTESY REVIEWS ARE TO STOP YOU FROM GOING ANY FURTHER IF WE THINK THAT IT NEEDS SOME SERIOUS REVISIONS. I HOPE WE'VE GIVEN YOU SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT, NOT TO UNPLEASANTLY THINK ABOUT AND I'LL, I'LL BET YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING GREAT BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE A CHALLENGE AND THAT ALWAYS MAKES ONE THINK , YOU KNOW, THINK WELL. SO PLEASE COME BACK AND SEE US IF YOU NEED TO DO A COURTESY REVIEW. THAT'S ALSO POSSIBLE BEFORE YOU WANT TO COME BACK WITH THE ACTUAL PLANS. IF YOU HAVE ANY DOUBTS THAT YOU HAVE ACHIEVED WHAT WILL MAKE US SMILE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT UP I HAVE C ONE. IS THAT RIGHT? YES. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING CONSENT ITEM C ONE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1201 MAIN STREET AND THE DOWNTOWN, WELL IT'S ONE MAIN PLACE, BUT IT'S ALSO WITHIN, WELL IT'S ONE MAIN PLACE, . OKAY. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 DASH 4 6 5. THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR EXTERIOR REHABILITATION OF THE MAIN BUILDING. IT INCLUDES NEW OUTDOOR PATIO DINING AREA IN THE EAST PLAZA AND NEW MO, A NEW MAIN ENTRANCE MARQUEE ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION AS WELL AS HARDSCAPING AND LANDSCAPING STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR EXTERIOR REHABILITATION OF THE MAIN BUILDING, INCLUDING NEW OUTDOOR PATIO DINING AREA IN THE EAST PLAZA AND NEW MAIN ENTRANCE MARQUEE ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION PARK. SCAPING AND LANDSCAPING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDING TO DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 11 19 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT EXISTING ORIGINAL PLANTERS IN THE EAST PLAZA BE RE RETAINED. THAT MARQUEE STRUCTURE BE SELF-SUPPORTING AND FULLY REVERSIBLE WITH MINIMAL OR NO DAMAGE TO THE FRONT FACADE IF REMOVED. IN OTHER WORDS, NO TIES TO THE MAIN BUILDING, THAT NEW DRIVEWAYS, SIDEWALKS, STEPS AND WALKWAYS BE CONSTRUCTED OF EXPOSED AGGREGATE, CONCRETE OR STONE MATCHING THE EXISTING IN COLOR PATTERN AND TEXTURE AND THAT NEW PLANT MATERIALS BE NATIVE TO NORTH TEXAS. IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION SECTIONS 3.5 AND 3.8 SUBSECTION C UNDER BUILDING SITE AND LANDSCAPING AND SECTION 9.7 UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS. THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN AT ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION. NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTED WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS. APPLICATION FOR SIGNAGE RECOMMENDED TO BE SEPARATED FROM THE MARKING. RIGHT. AND WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE AS, AS WE CAN CLEARLY SEE. UH, SO SIR, IF YOU WOULD BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOU NEED TO, UM, PROMISE OR SWEAR [00:40:01] TO TELL THE TRUTH. OH, THIS IS DAVID RAMSEY. UH, THE ADDRESS IS 5,400 LBJ FREEWAY, SUITE 1 25, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 4 0. UM, AND I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH. AND DO YOU GET THE DAVE RAMSEY COMMENT A LOT? YES MA'AM, I DO. I'M SURE YOU DO. I'M SO SORRY, BUT I COULD NOT HELP BUT THINK OF IT AS SOON AS I SAW YOUR NAME I ALMOST EXPLAINED . HE'S HERE. . OKAY SIR, YOU HAVE NOT ABOUT BUSINESS. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. I DUNNO IF YOU HEARD OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER IN THE BRIEFING, BUT WHATEVER YOU THINK WOULD HELP YOUR ARGUMENT. MM-HMM . YES. SO, UH, THE PRIMARY GOAL IS TO INTRODUCE THIS NEW CANOPY STRUCTURE THAT YOU SEE HERE. SO A NEW MARQUES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING ON MAIN STREET. UH, AND THEN OVER ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING WE ARE LOOKING AT, UM, SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EAST PLAZA. THE PRIMARY GOAL HERE IS TO, UH, REALLY CALL MORE ATTENTION TO THIS BUILDING. UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT IT HAS A STATEMENT ENTRY, UH, PART OF INCORPORATING THIS NEW ENTRY AND ADHERING TO THE ORDINANCES, THE REMOVAL OF TWO EXISTING, UH, CANOPY STRUCTURES ON THE SOUTH SIDE, SO THAT WAY WE MAINTAIN THE 30% ALLOTTED COVERAGE FOR, UM, WOOD STRUCTURE. UM, YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, SO THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSAL FOR THE, UM, FOR THE EAST PLAZA WHERE WE'RE INCORPORATING SOME OUTDOOR SEATING. UH, THIS AREA IS PRIMARILY TO BE USED AS, UH, TENANT AND TENANT AMENITY. SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS RENDERING THERE IS A WALL ENCLOSING THIS AREA. AND IT IS, UH, MOSTLY ENCLOSED FROM THE NORTHEAST CORNER AS WELL WITH MINIMAL VISIBILITY FROM THE STREET. UH, WHAT WE'VE ADDED HERE IS MOSTLY OUTDOOR SEATING AND THEN WE'VE ADDED TWO CANOPY STRUCTURES AS WELL AS A GRILL TO BE USED BY TENANTS ONLY, UH, AND AS WELL AS SOME, SOME GAMING. AND THEN WE'VE ALSO INCORPORATED NEW DECKING, UH, AND NEW PAVING IN THIS AREA. UH, SO THESE ARE SOME RENDERING VIEWS, UH, OF THE STRUCTURES AS WELL AS SOME OF THE FURNISHINGS. KEEP GOING. UH, JUST ADDITIONAL RENDERING VIEWS FOR YOUR VIEWING PLEASURE. UM, WE CAN KEEP MOVING ALONG. OKAY. THAT'S THE LAST ONE. OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, UH, ESSENTIALLY WE'RE, WE'RE TRY TRYING TO CREATE A NEW AMENITY, UM, TO HELP BOOST, UM, OCCUPANCY IN THE BUILDING AND THEN REPOSITIONED THIS BUILDING, UM, AS A MORE DESIRABLE AND MORE RECOGNIZABLE, UH, BUILDING. SO THAT WAY THERE IS A LANDMARK ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING WHEN YOU WALK BY AS OPPOSED TO JUST THE SIMPLE SIGNAGE THAT SAYS ONE MAIN ON IT, UM, AS IT EXISTS TODAY. UM, AND THEN A COMMENT ON THE SIGNAGE, WE DID GO AHEAD AND INCLUDE IT IN OUR EXHIBIT. UM, THE RECOMMENDATION TO NOT INCLUDE IT WAS BECAUSE AT THE TIME WE DID NOT HAVE, UH, THE SIGNAGE REVIEWED AND APPROVED. UH, IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED, UH, BY TREVOR LUSON, UM, OR LUMSDEN, MY APOLOGIES, ON NOVEMBER 17TH. SO WE DID GO AHEAD AND INCLUDE IT, UH, WITHIN THIS SUBMISSION. ALRIGHT. UH, NOW DO THE OTHER SPEAKERS WISH TO SPEAK AND THEN WE ASK QUESTIONS OF ALL OF YOU? THAT'S HOW WE USUALLY DO IT. OKAY. BUT IF, IF YOU NEED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS TO US, YOU WILL HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE NAME, ADDRESS AND AH, YES. TELLING US HOW TRUTHFUL YOU ARE. OKAY. IF THERE ARE ANY STRUCTURAL QUESTIONS, UH, SCOTT, LUKE WILL, WILL BE ALL THAT HERE TO HELP WITH THAT. YES. ALL RIGHT. IT WOULD BE GOOD TO BE ABLE TO BE CERTAIN THE THING WOULD NOT FALL OVER ALLOW YOU TO BUILD IT. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONERS, WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE? COMMISSIONER PREZI? YES. UH, SO A QUESTION ON THE HEIGHT OF THE MARQUEE. EXPLAIN, UM, IT'S ALMOST THREE STORIES TALL, I GUESS, WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT AND IT'S QUITE LARGE, UH, FOR, I, I KNOW YOU WANNA CALL ATTENTION TO THE ENTRY, BUT IT, IT SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE MUCH FOR IT, UH, ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING WHERE THERE ALREADY IS A MARQUEE FOR THE HOTEL AND THAT'S MUCH LOWER SCALE AND NOT QUITE AS PROMINENT AS THIS. SO EXPLAIN YOUR, OR GIVE US SOME IDEAS ON THE IDEAS, UH, FOR CHOOSING THIS DESIGN. YES. SO, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER'S REQUEST FOR THIS BUILDING, WE DID WANT TO MARK THIS AS THE MAIN PROMINENT ENTRY OF THE BUILDING. UH, SO THAT IS THE REASON WHY IT IS SO PROMINENT, UH, AND THE HEIGHT, UH, WE HAVE THAT TO WHERE IT IS INTEGRATED WITH THE, THE LEVELS, UH, AND THE FACADE OF THE EXISTING ARCHITECTURE. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING AS A WHOLE FROM THE STREET, UH, IT DOES FEEL, IN OUR OPINION, SCALE APPROPRIATE TO THE, THE MASS OF THE BUILDING. UM, SO REALLY [00:45:01] THAT HEIGHT IS DETERMINED BY WORKING WITH EXISTING CONDITIONS. UH, AND THEN ALSO CONSIDERING THAT WE DO WANT THIS TO BE, UM, QUITE A STATEMENT, UM, WELL . ALRIGHT. UH, WELL, UH, I WAS STRUCK SPEECHLESS BY YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, WELL, IT DIDN'T MAKE THE STATEMENT, BUT THAT'S, YEAH. THE, THE NATURE OF THE BUILDING IS TO BE SORT OF A, A GRID INSTEAD OF STATEMENT. RIGHT. UM, YEAH, IN TERMS OF, SO, UH, UH, THESE ARE JUST SOME GENERAL COMMENTS ON, ON, UH, ON YOUR ADDITION. UM, I, UM, AGREE WITH THE, UM, WITH THE CHAIRMAN MONTGOMERY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE MAIN, UM, EMPHASIS OF THE BUILDING IS IN FACT ITS GRID AND IT'S LOWER AND IT'S RAISED, UH, UH, BASICALLY, UH, PIANO NOBLE. THE SECOND SECOND STORY HAS THE, THE DOUBLE OR TRIPLE HEIGHT EXPRESSION MM-HMM . AND BY, AND IT DIDN'T HAVE A VERY STRONG, UH, OR, UH, PROMINENT ENTRANCE AS, AS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING NOW, WHICH IN MY MIND FEELS LIKE A, THAT MUCH MORE OF A DEPARTURE AND, AND INAPPROPRIATE. UM, I KNOW THAT OR SOME OF THE, UM, UH, THE REGULATIONS THAT WE WERE READING EARLIER, UM, ABOUT, UM, UM, UH, AMENDMENTS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXISTING BUILDING IS THAT THEY REALLY ONLY CONSIDERED THE, THE GROUND LEVEL. UH, THEY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN WRITTEN FOR MULTI STORIES, UH, TOWERS IN, IN, IN THIS CASE, BUT, UM, I DO FEEL LIKE THAT ENTRANCE IS, IS MONUMENTAL. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT WAS YOUR PURPOSE. UM, I DON'T FEEL LIKE I CAN GET BEHIND IT AS A, UM, AS A, SOMETHING THAT WOULD PASS THIS, THIS COMMISSION. UM, I, I, I THINK THE SCALE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK DOWN UN NOT UNFORTUNATELY, BUT MAYBE UNFORTUNATELY FOR, FOR, FOR YOUR PURPOSES. UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, I, I I FEEL LIKE IT IS, IT'S, IT'S GONE TOO STRONG. OKAY. OKAY. SO IF WE DID BRING IT DOWN, UM, TO THE HEIGHT WHERE IT'S JUST AT THAT FIRST LEVEL, UM, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED APPRO APPROVABLE OR, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR THE FEEDBACK THERE. ARE YOU ASKING IF IT'S JUST THE SCALE? IS IT JUST THE HEIGHT? JUST THE HEIGHT THAT IS THE, BECAUSE I WOULD SAY IT'S ALSO THE COLOR. YEAH. OKAY. THE COLOR IS QUITE STUFF. IT'S KIND OF SUPPOSED TO BE A MONOCHROMATIC BUILDING AND I KNOW THAT CAN BE SEEN AS DULL, BUT ALSO BEAUTIFUL IN THE NATURE OF THE TIMES IN WHICH IT WAS DONE. MM-HMM . AND SO IT DOES HAVE THE COPPERY BRONZE UNDERTONES, SO WE COULD CERTAINLY TAKE THAT COLOR AND JUST TONE DOWN THE SATURATION SO THAT WAY THERE'S LESS CONTRAST WITH THE FACADE AT THE BUILDING. UM, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW THIS STRUCTURE IS ATTACHED, WHERE, UM, IT'S REQUIRED THAT IT BE FREESTANDING, BUT I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S THAT'S POSSIBLE. MM-HMM . UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS. AND THERE'S ALSO REFERENCES TO BLASTERS THAT APPEAR TO BE ATTACHED TO THE STRUCTURE TO CLARIFY THAT. YES. THIS IS WHERE I WILL PULL IN MY COLLEAGUE, UH, LUKE SCOTT, LUKE IN TOSS DESIGN, UH, 5,400 LBJ FREEWAY, UH, DALLAS, TEXAS, UH, THE STRUCTURAL CONCEPT AND YOU'RE VERY TRUTHFUL. YOU HAVE TO PROMISE ME YOU'RE TRUTHFUL. I WILL TELL THE TRUTH. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE THAT ALWAYS. OKAY. SO THE STRUCTURAL CONCEPT, UH, FOR THE PORTAL, UM, AS, AS WELL AS THE, UH, PILE MASTERS IS TO CREATE THOSE OUT OF A, UH, LIGHTWEIGHT, UH, SPACE FRAME. UH, INSTEAD OF USING A HEAVY GAUGE STEEL, WE'D BE USING A, UH, ESSENTIALLY A SPACE FRAME OF A LIGHTER GAUGE, UH, ANGLES. UH, WE HAVE, UH, ENGAGED A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, UH, WHO HAS, UH, PUT TOGETHER A, UH, CONCEPT FOR THIS, UH, WHICH WAS INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE SUBMITTAL, WHICH, UH, WHICH HAPPENED THAT WAS, SO I THINK IT MAY HAVE BEEN A, UH, SEPARATE EXHIBIT. UH, BUT THAT IS THE, UH, CONCEPT IS, UH, TO USE A, A LIGHTWEIGHT, UH, SPACE FRAME. UH, WE ARE AWARE THAT THERE IS, UH, UM, OPEN SPACE, UH, BELOW, UH, THE, UH, STREET LEVEL AND, UH, THE, UH, THE STRUCTURAL CONCEPT THAT DOES TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, UH, WHERE OUR ENGINEER IS, UH, PLANNING ON, UH, SPANNING, UH, NEW BEAMS ACROSS THE EXISTING, UH, BEAMS THAT ARE THERE, UH, TO, UH, CATCH, UH, THAT, UH, THAT DEAD LOAD. [00:50:09] UH, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THIS, UH, CONCEPT, UH, IN THE, UH, SECTION THAT'S ON THE, UH, CURRENT, UH, EXHIBIT. UH, THAT'S, UH, PULLED UP OF THE, UH, SECTION A, IT'S ON THE, UH, UPPER RIGHT OF THE CURRENT SLIDE. THIS DETAIL ALSO SHOWS, UH, HOW WE'RE PLANNING ON, UH, DOING A APP PINNED CONNECTION, UH, TO THE EXISTING, UH, SOFFIT AT THE WINDOW OPENING SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO PENETRATE THE EXISTING FACADE. UH, THE PAL PLASTERERS ARE GONNA BE COVERING, UM, MATERIAL OF THE BUILDING THOUGH, SO IT'S GONNA BE COVERING UP THOSE COLUMNS. YES, SIR. VERTICAL COLUMNS. OKAY. ARE THEY REQUIRED FOR THE, JUST TO CLARIFY, THEY ARE REQUIRED FOR THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE OUTLINE OF THE, I GUESS WE CALL THIS MARKETING? UH, WELL THE PILE LASTERS ARE, ARE PART OF THE, UH, PORTAL, UH, CONCEPT THERE. THEY'LL BE, UH, UH, FINISHED WITH THE SAME MATERIAL AS THE, UH, LARGER STRUCTURE, UH, WITH SOME, UH, DECORATIVE LIGHTS IN SET. UM, SO I'M ALSO CURIOUS, UM, WHEN WE USE THE WORD MARQUEE, UM, I MEAN MARQUEE IS PROBABLY A SOMEWHAT LOOSE DEFINITION, HOWEVER WE LOOK HISTORICALLY WHAT A MARQUEE IS, AS IT TENDS TO BE A HORIZONTALLY, UM, FOCUSED KIND OF STRUCTURE ABOVE AN ENTRYWAY. UM, IT'S ALSO SHOWN THAT WAY ON THE SITE PLAN, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE EXISTING MARQUEES AND THEIR DESIGN. I'M WONDERING WHAT ELEMENTS OF THIS STRUCTURE, UM, ALLOW YOU TO CONSIDER THAT THIS IS A MARQUEE, WONDERING HOW YOU MIGHT DEFINE THAT. SO, UH, IN THE ORDINANCE THERE IS A DEFINITION OF THE MARQUEE, AND I'LL BE HONEST AT THIS MOMENT, I CANNOT RECITE EXACTLY WHAT THAT WAS. BUT, UH, THAT IS WHAT WE WERE, UM, REFERRING TO, UM, WHENEVER WE WERE USING THAT TERMINOLOGY AND WHENEVER WE WERE PLANNING THIS DESIGN. ALRIGHT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU COULD ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT? 'CAUSE IF NOT, THEN WE HAVE TO MOVE TOWARDS A MOTION AFTER WHICH WE COULD DISCUSS. MARK, ARE YOU READY TO SPEAK NOW, MA'AM? . ALRIGHT. COULD YOU PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH? MY NAME IS JSA SIM SMITH IN TOSS DESIGN 5,400 LDJ FREEWAY, DALLAS, SUITE 1 25, DALLAS, TEXAS. I RESPECT ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS. EVERYTHING YOU SAY, HOW DO WE KNOW YOU DO WHEN YOU DO NOT? OH, I'M HONEST. I AM HONEST. OKAY. GOD, I'M, I DIDN'T TAKE UP THIS RULE. I JUST HAVE TO SAY IT A MILLION TIMES EVERY I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. SO YOU APPRECIATE US VERY MUCH. YES, WE APPRECIATE YOU. UM, HOWEVER, WE DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THE PORTAL AT THIS SIZE, UM, JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF HAVING THE STATEMENT PIECE, BUT ALSO WE'RE RESPECTING THE, UM, ARCHITECTURAL LINES THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE FACADE AS WELL. SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE FACADE BUT ALSO CREATE THIS MOMENT WHERE PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS THE MAIN ENTRY POINT AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE SCALE COULD BE RATHER LARGE, HOWEVER, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP WITH THE EXISTING ARCHITECTURE BY HAVING IT STOP AT THAT POINT. SO I'D LOVE IT IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER CONSIDER THAT. AND I THINK THAT IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THE COLOR AND TO GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT LESS CONTRAST, IT WON'T FEEL AS IF IT'S STANDING OUT AS MUCH. UH, A CHANGING COLOR WOULD PROBABLY HELP. THE GRID THOUGH, DOES TEND TO BE ACTUALLY MONOCHROMATIC, SO MM-HMM . ANY, ANY DIFFERENCE IN COLOR THAT WOULD INDICATE ENTRANCE WOULD KIND OF VIOLATE THAT ESTABLISH. AND FRANKLY, I THINK YOUR NEW ENTRY THING IS MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN THE BUILDING, BUT NO ONE ON EARTH CARES WHAT I THINK IS ATTRACTIVE. IS IT TRUE TO THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING? AND THAT'S THE QUESTION WE ANSWER HERE. I DON'T, I LIKE THE BUILDING AS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT IT IS. PRETTY NO, BUT A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT IT IS AND I'D HATE TO SEE US LOSE. THAT'S CHARACTERISTIC. [00:55:01] COMMISSIONER RENO, YOU LOOK THOUGHTFUL OR PERHAPS VERBAL. OH, I WAS JUST WONDERING OF THE SCALE OF THE LOBBY THAT'S IMMEDIATELY BEHIND IT. MM-HMM . IS IT MULTI-STORY AS WELL? IT OPENS, SO THE LOBBY BEHIND IT IS SINGLE STORY AND THEN THE HOTEL IS ABOVE THAT AND WITHIN THAT SECOND STORY VOLUME, THAT IS THE TWO STORY VOLUME THAT YOU SEE AT THE TOP PORTION, UM, OF OUR NEW PROPOSED PORTAL. YEAH. SO THAT AREA IS DOUBLE STORY, WHICH IS WHY WE DIDN'T STOP IT HALFWAY. WE EXTENDED ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP. MM-HMM . THIS IS COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. AS SOMEONE WHO'S ACTUALLY WALKED THROUGH ONE MAIN PLAZA A LOT, UM, AND ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED THAT LOBBY AND EXTERIOR AND HOW TALL THAT BUILDING IS. THE ACTUAL FORM AND HEIGHT OF THAT MARQUEE PORTAL I THINK IS ACCURATE. UM, I LIKE HOW IT LINES UP WITH THE KIND OF LEADING LINES OF THE EXISTING DESIGN, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW IT HAS TO BE STRUCTURALLY ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING. UM, SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS DESIGN. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. WELL, IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS AGAIN, I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION. I HAVE A MOTION. I HAVE A MOTION. WELL, WHO WANTS TO GO? WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD. HE MAKES THEM ALL IN REGARDS TO C 1 12 0 1 MAIN STREET. I MOVE TO BREAK THIS ITEM INTO TWO ITEMS. THE FIRST ITEM BEING THE RENOVATIONS OF THE EAST PLAZA. THESE ARE TO BE APPROVED SUBJECT TO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. THE SECOND ITEM IS THE QUOTE UNQUOTE MARQUEE BEING THE LARGE HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL ADDITION IN THE SOUTH PLAZA. THIS ADDITION IS TO BE DENIED ABOUT PREJUDICE. THIS ADDITION AS PROPOSED, WOULD CREATE AN ADVERSE EFFECT. THE BUILDING IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT IN ORDINANCE THREE OR 5 2 7, PARTICULARLY IN REGARDS TO SECTION 9.5. MARQUEES MAY NOT COVER MORE THAN 35% OF THE TOTAL FACADE. THE GROUND FLOOR, WHICH PORTION OF THE FACADE OF THE COMMISSION INTERPRETS THE SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE TO MEAN MARQUEES ARE NOT TO EXTEND BEYOND THE GROUND FLOOR PORTION OF THE FACADE, WHICH IS FURTHER CONFIRMED BY THE EXISTING MARQUEES, WHICH ARE COVERING THE FIRST FLOOR AND HAVE THE STANDARD DESIGN OF AN ARCHITECTURAL MARQUES. THE PROPOSED EDITION IS SHOWN, UH, ON THE SITE PLAN EXHIBIT IN THE LANDMARK ORDINANCE. THIS PROPOSED EDITION IS NOT IN SCALE WITH THE PURPOSE OF THIS ORDINANCE. SECTION 9.7 STATES, MARQUES STRUCTURES MUST BE SELF-SUPPORTING AND FULLY REVERSIBLE WITH MINIMAL OR NO DAMAGE TO THE PROTECTED FACADE AS SHOWN TO THE COMMISSION. EXHIBIT E SHOWS THAT AT LEAST THE PAL PLASTERERS ARE ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING SECTION 9.8. THE COLOR DETAILS FORM MATERIALS IN GENERAL APPEARANCE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS MUST BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE. THE COLOR AND APPEARANCE ARE A STARK CONTRAST TO THE NOTABLE MODERNIST WHITE APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDING. THE COLOR OF THE MARQUEES PROPOSED TO BE HAZELNUT MICA DEFINED AS DECADENTLY, WARM ROASTED BROWN WITH SUBTLE UNDERTONES OF ORANGE AND YELLOW. AGAIN, A STARK CONTRAST SECTION 9.9 IN THE ORDINANCE STATES NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS HAVE MUST HAVE APPROPRIATE COLOR DETAILING FENESTRATION MASSING MATERIALS, UH, SHAPE AND SOLID AVOID RATIOS. THE COLOR IS AGAIN A STARK CONTRAST TO THE BUILDING, BUT THE ADDITION ALSO, UM, AFFECTS THE FENESTRATION BY OUT OUTLINING A LARGE NUMBER OF WINDOWS INTO ONE DISTINCT OUTLINE AND A LARGE COLLECTION OF WINDOWS. WHEREAS ELSEWHERE ON THE BUILDING, THE STRUCTURE HAS A UNIFORM DISTRIBUTION OF FENESTRATIONS. THIS AFFECTS THE UNIFORM VISUAL APPEAL OF THE BUILDING AS A MODERNIST STRUCTURE. AND OF THAT WAS THE MOST THOROUGH MOTION WE HAVE EVER HAD. HERE YOU ARE. GREAT. SECOND COMMISSIONER RENO HAS SECONDED THE MOTION COMMISSIONER. I KNOW, BUT HE TALKED FOR FIVE MINUTES. HOW COULD YOU, OKAY, SO NOW IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, OTHER DISCUSSION OTHER THAN THOROUGH, THOROUGH MOTION AS IF THERE IS NONE, THEN IT'S TIME FOR US TO VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? COMMISSIONER TAYLOR IS OPPOSED. ARE THERE ANY OTHER OPPOSITIONS THAT I CANNOT SEE? COMMISSIONER HANNO HOST THAT HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT SHE SAID? I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION AND COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN ALSO IN SUPPORT. OKAY. SO IT APPEARS THAT IT HAS CARRIED [01:00:01] BY A LARGE MARGIN, UM, UPON HAVING PART OF YOUR, UM, REQUEST DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE. YOU DO HAVE THE OPTION OF GOING TO THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION FOR A FEE TO REVIEW THIS. UM, THEY WILL BE JUDGING SOLELY ON WHETHER WE RULED IN ERROR. THEY, UM, AND WE'LL REVIEW ALL THAT WE SAID. AND SO YOU COULD ALSO TRY WORKING WITH STAFF INSTEAD FOR FREE AND THEY DON'T CHARGE. AND, AND, AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO TO MEET YOUR DESIRED ENTRY MARKING AND THE ORDINANCE AT THE SAME TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. ALRIGHTY, NEXT UP IS C SEVEN. OKAY. CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF, THIS CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 7 52 8 W STREET MUNGER PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT CO A 2 5 0 0 0 4 9 5 REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PLACE WINDOWS OF MAIN STRUCTURE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE WINDOWS ON MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS WILL NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE STRUCTURE OR DISTRICT AND ARE TYPICAL OF THE CRAFTMAN STYLE PROPOSED WORK MEETS THE STANDARDS, MEETS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. OOPS. UH, TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO REPLACE WINDOWS ON MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE WINDOWS SURVEY IS SUBMITTED. ALL RIGHT, SO WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER FOR THIS, I GUESS ONLINE. ROBERT ROD RODIN. YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YOU'RE ONLINE. I HEARD YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND WE CAN SEE YOU? YES. GOOD. SOME PEOPLE HAVE TROUBLE WITH THE CAMERA. WELL, TRUST ME. I MAY HAVE TROUBLE. SO YOU, TO BEGIN IS TO GIVE US YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. YES. MY NAME IS ROBERT RODIN. I'M THE OWNER OF 52 0 8 WORTH STREET AND I WILL TELL THE TRUTH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SIR. SO NOW YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO GIVE US ANY FURTHER INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR PROJECT, AND THEN WE WILL ASK YOU QUESTIONS. GREAT. UM, SO WE SUBMITTED THE C OA WINDOW SURVEY. IT WAS 25 DASH 0 0 4 9 5. I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT. UH, YES, GO AHEAD, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS, NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO MY WEAK POINT HERE. ALL RIGHT. LET'S SEE HERE. SHARE. HMM. I'M HAVING A HARD TIME SHARING IT. LET'S SEE HERE. I CAN PULL IT UP IF YOU'D LIKE. IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D APPRECIATE IT. SURE, NO WORRIES. I PULL THAT RIGHT BACK UP, SO I'M ASSUMING YOU CAN SEE IT. I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T SEE IT. WELL, WE CAN'T, YEAH, IT'S STILL PULLING UP. ONE SECOND. YOU SHOULD BE EVERYBODY WHEN WE CAN. YES. ALRIGHT. WE LIVE WITH THIS COMPUTER SYSTEM ALL THE TIME, SO WE'VE DEVELOPED PATIENCE. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. UM, WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO? YOU TELL ME AND I WILL MOVE THE CURSOR. SO WE SUBMITTED IT WAS COA 25 0 0 0 4 9 5. I DON'T KNOW. THIS IS THE YEAH, I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THE WINDOWS SAYS. YEAH. SO I WAS A PART OF THE, OH, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. I WASN'T PART OF THE DISCUSSION THIS MORNING, BUT IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, THE COMMISSION THOUGHT THAT I WAS REPLACING ORIGINAL WINDOWS, AND I'M NOT, I'M REPLACING, UM, VINYL CLAD, UM, REPLACEMENT WINDOWS THAT ARE IN VERY POOR SHAPE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM ANY OF THE PICTURES, AND THIS IS NOT REALLY THE COA THAT WE SUBMITTED, BUT, UM, IT'S HARD TO TELL. WELL, ALL OF THIS WAS IN, IN THE, IN YOUR, ALL OF THIS CAME FROM THAT, THAT UPLOAD . OKAY. OKAY. SO AGAIN, I'M REPLACING, UM, NON-CONFORMING WINDOWS THAT DON'T MEET THE STANDARDS OF THE, OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION OR THE MUNGER PLACE ORDINANCE, UM, WITH WINDOWS THAT WERE ALREADY PRE-APPROVED. [01:05:01] UM, IN MY ADDITION REQUEST, UH, ON THE ADDITION, THESE WINDOWS WERE APPROVED. AND SO WE'RE GONNA APPLY THIS TO THE REST OF THE HOUSE, IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. SO FOR BACKGROUND, WHEN THEY CAME BEFORE YOU ALL, FOR THE REAR EDITION, YOU APPROVE THE REAR EDITION WITH THESE NEW WINDOWS, THE DESIGN OF THE NEW WINDOW. THAT'S IT. IT'S SHOWING ON THE, ON THE PLAN. SO HE WANTS TO BASICALLY MAKE ALL THE WINDOWS MATCH THE WINDOWS THAT WERE APPROVED ON THE ADDITION, CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. ALL RIGHTY. AND THE EXISTING WINDOWS ARE NOT HISTORICAL? THEY ARE NOT, THEY'RE NOT. OKAY. MR. HOW DO, HOW DO WE KNOW? I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE THE SURVEY AHEAD OF US AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT. I MEAN, WE DON'T B JUST HAVE AN, I MEAN, I CAN, WE DON'T GENERALLY REQUEST A SURVEY FOR VINYL WINDOWS FOR REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS OR FOR REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS THAT ARE THE WINDOW MATERIAL. THE EX, THE EXISTING WINDOWS ARE NOT HISTORIC. SO THERE'S, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING, BUT I JUST, THE WINDOW SURVEY IS USUALLY TO SHOW THAT YOUR ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS USUALLY WOULD HAVE GONE HAVE ROTTED SO MUCH THAT THEY'RE BEYOND. I UNDERSTAND THAT SAVING, WHEREAS THE IDEA IS THAT THESE, EVEN IF IN GOOD SHAPE, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO LIKE, BECAUSE THEY'RE COVERED IN VINYL. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I STILL, SO, WELL, I'M, I'M, THERE'S JUST AN ELEVATION THAT SHOWS ME WINDOWS AND I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE, WELL, THE SURVEY ITSELF WOULD STILL BE WRITTEN OUT BY THE APPLICANT AND OUR OWNER TO TELL US THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THESE PHOTOS. CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT THE SURVEY WOULD DO. WHEN WE HAVE NON HISTORIC VINYL WINDOWS. THAT'S ALL IT WOULD SAY. IT WOULD JUST SAY NON HISTORIC VINYL WINDOW. I MEAN . AND SO IT WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL TO SEE THE CONDITION OF THE PHOTOS VERSUS A PIECE OF PAPER. YOU KNOW, THE THING THAT SAYS THEY ARE VINYL WINDOWS. 'CAUSE THERE IT'S ALL HANDWRITTEN ANYWAY. WE DON'T GO OUT TO EACH ONE. AND YES, AS STAFF FILL THAT OUT. I UNDERSTAND, OF COURSE STAFF COULD REQUEST CLOSE PHOTOS. JUST A CLOSEUP PHOTOS WITH YEAH. CLOSEUP PHOTOS. WERE THERE ANY DAMAGE? I DON'T KNOW IF A PHOTO WOULD SHOW US ITS FINAL COVER PARTICULARLY, BUT MIGHT I DID SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH. TRUTH, YEAH, YOU DID. WE'RE JUST SUSPICIOUS BY NATURE OF PRESERVATIONIST PEOPLE. NO, NO, NO. THAT'S WHY I MOVED TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. SO OF THE EVIDENCE, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. IS THIS A NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING? YES. THIS IS THE ONE THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER DURING BREAKING THAT. WHY IS IT NOT CONTRIBUTING? OKAY. OKAY. WHEN IT LOOKS SO GOOD AT DOING AND PROBABLY NON CONTRIBUTING 'CAUSE OF THE VINYL WINDOWS . SO TO, TO CLARIFY ON THE RECORD, THE NEW WINDOWS YOU'D LIKE TO PUT IN ARE MADE OF WOOD. CORRECT. AND THE OUTSIDE EDGE IS WOOD . AND THEY'RE JUST WOOD, WOOD, WOOD ALL THE WAY THROUGH WHICH WE LIKE. YES, THEY ARE ALL WOOD WINDOWS. OKAY. THAT'S WHY STAFF APPROVED THE REPLACEMENT OF THEM. ALL RIGHT, ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I HAVE A MOTION. GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER RENE. UM, REGARDING ITEM COA 2 5 4 9 5, ALSO KNOWN AS 52 0 8 WORTH STREET THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE, UM, THE SUBMITTAL. SECOND, THANK YOU FOR PRE PRESS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER PRE FOR YOUR SECOND OF COMMISSIONER RENO'S MOTION. ANY FURTHER COMMENT? AND I CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THIS MOTION HAS CARRIED AND WE THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR. AND ENJOY YOUR WINDOWS. THANK YOU. NOW WE ARE READY FOR D ONE. OKAY, GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN. THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING DISCUSSION ITEM D ONE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 5,000 SOUTH MALCOLM X BOULEVARD. IT'S THE LINCOLN HIGH SCHOOL HISTORIC DISTRICT. UH, THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 DASH 4 88. THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR EXTERIOR REHABILITATION OF A MULTI-BUILDING COMPLEX TO INCLUDE LANDSCAPING WINDOW REPLACEMENT, APPROXIMATELY 300, A LITTLE OVER 300 DOOR REPLACEMENT MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT SCREENING, A DA COMPLIANT RAMP INSTALLATION. SHE'S, AND IS THAT ME? I DON'T THINK SO. . OKAY. AND [01:10:01] EXTERIOR PAINTING? YES, IT'S CHRISTINA. IS IT? OH, MINE IS ON MY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THE REQUEST IS FOR, WHERE WAS I? OKAY. THE REQUEST IS FOR REHABILITATION OF A MULTI-BUILDING COMPLEX TO INCLUDE LANDSCAPING WINDOW REPLACEMENT, APPROXIMATELY 300 DOOR REPLACEMENT MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT SCREENING, A DA COMPLIANT RAMP INSTALLATION AND EXTERIOR PAINTING. THE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 11 19 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT NEW PLANT MATERIALS BE NATIVE TO TO NORTH TEXAS. THAT REPLACEMENT WINDOWS AND DOORS MATCH THE EXISTING AND MULIAN SIZE LIGHT CONFIGURATION AND MATERIAL THAT GLASS AND GLAZING MATCH THE ORIGINAL, THAT NEW RAMPS AND HARDSCAPING BE BRUSHED FINISHED CONCRETE AND THAT NEW PAINT MATCHED THE ORIGINAL IN COLOR AND NOT BE APPLIED TO MASONRY. IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTIONS 2.3 AND 2.5 UNDER SITE INSIDE SITE ELEMENTS, SECTIONS 3.6 AND 3.7 UNDER FACADES AND SECTIONS THREE POINT 12 AND THREE POINT 16 UNDER FENESTRATION AND OPENINGS. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR EXTERIOR REHABILITATION OF A MULTI-BUILDING COMPLEX TO INCLUDE LANDSCAPING WINDOWS, TOTAL APPROXIMATE 300 AND DUAL REPLACEMENT MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT SCREENING, A DA COMPLIANT RAMP INSTALLATION AND EXTERIOR PAINTING BE APPROVED. THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, APPLICANT IS TO PROVIDE BOTH HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL SECTIONS THROUGH ALL EXISTING AND PROPOSED WINDOWS AND DOORS TO ENSURE THAT THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT WINDOWS AND DOORS MATCH THE EXISTING ORIGINAL WINDOWS. AND ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER, MR. NICHOLSON, IF YOU COULD PLEASE BEGIN AS WE ALWAYS DO WITH YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOU'LL PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MATT PITON, COMMAND HOGAN. IT'S 4 0 1 NORTHEASTERN STREET DALLAS. AND I PROMISE I . OKAY. SIR, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO DISCUSS YOUR PROJECT. IF YOU HEARD THE BRIEFING EARLIER, YOU MIGHT KNOW WHAT CONCERNS WE EXPRESSED OR JUST TELL US WHAT YOU THINK WOULD HELP US KNOW. YEAH, I, UH, BASICALLY I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL PRESENTATION TODAY OUTSIDE OF WHAT YOU ALREADY SEEN TODAY. AND I'M BRIEFING, SO I'M HERE TO JUST ANSWERING A QUESTION A FEW MINUTES. OKAY. UH, COULD YOU DOUBLE CHECK YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON, IS IT SHOWING IN A LIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. YOU HAVE TO LEAN DOWN TOO. IS WORKING. YEAH. OKAY. YOU HAVE TO LEAN DOWN THEN. YOU ARE, YOU ARE TOO TALL, SIR. I'M SORRY THOUGH. IT'S A GOOD THING TO BE, IT'S HARD FOR PEOPLE AT HOME TO HEAR. WE COMMISSION SPEAKING OF THE MICROWAVE. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. AND THEIR VOTE IS EQUAL TO OURS, THEREFORE THEY MUST HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY OR THEY MIGHT THINK YOU SAID NOTHING. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, WHAT QUESTIONS DID YOU HAVE ABOUT THIS PROJECT? MY QUESTION WAS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS EVERYBODY ELSE'S QUESTION. PLEASE COMMENCE YOUR QUESTIONING. WELL, WHAT ARE THE THINKING? I WILL ASK MINE, WHICH IS JUST MORE MATTER OF CURIOSITY ON THE SCREEN NOW, WE SEE THESE TALL WINDOWS WHERE THERE'S WINDOW OVER WINDOW AND YOUR PROPOSED REPLACEMENT WINDOWS ARE JUST A ONE OVER ONE. HOW ARE YOU GONNA DO THAT WITH UH, ACTUALLY THE ONES ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE ARE A CURTAIN WALL SYSTEM, NOT OKAY. THAT'S THE CURTAIN WALL SYSTEM. YES MA'AM. THAT'S CORRECT. AND YOUR NEW ONE WILL BE ABLE TO DUPLICATE THAT IN APPEARANCE? THAT IS CORRECT. YOU CAN DO A STANDARD CURTAIN WALL. UH, THE VERTICAL MOYENS THAT YOU HAVE BASICALLY IS AN APPLIED PROTRUDED, UH, MOEN THAT IS AN ACCESSORY TO THE CURTAIN WALL SYSTEM. AND THEN THE INFILL PANELS, UM, ARE BASICALLY A METAL PANEL INSULATED METAL PANEL INFILL. SO EVEN ON THE ORIGINALS, IT'S JUST AN APPLIED DIVIDER ON THERE? YES, MA'AM. THAT'S CORRECT. LIKE YOU SAID. HUH? OKAY. THAT SURPRISES ME. NOT THAT I'VE LOOKED AT THAT MANY SCHOOL WINDOWS. OKAY. ANYBODY THOUGHT OF A QUESTION BESIDES ME WHILE I I GAVE YOU TIME. I JUST HAD A SIMPLE ONE. THE, UH, THE EXISTING WINDOWS APPEARED TO BE STEEL FRAME. UM, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. THERE'S ALSO MENTION OF ALUMINUM. NO, ALL THE EXISTING ARE STEEL FRAME. THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. SO THEY'RE BEING REPLACED IN LIGHT. [01:15:01] WE ARE REPLACING IN LIKE THOUGH WITH ALUMINUM, BUT THE LOOK WITH REGARDS TO THE MO THICKNESS AND DIMENSIONING IS A 1.1 REPLACEMENT AND WE'VE CONFIRMED THAT BY TWO MANUFACTURERS, THAT BEING WINCO AS WELL AS GRAND WINDOWS WHO HAVE DONE THAT IN THE DISTRICT TO DATE. OKAY. SO THE WAY THAT THE GLASS IS GLAZED, IT IS THE, UH, SIMILAR, UH, CONDITION? YEAH, WE ARE GOING BACK WITH AN INSULATED GLAZING SYSTEM, BUT IT WILL BE OF THE SAME LOOK AND STYLE OF THE EXISTING. SO IT WON'T BE A LOW E COLTING CREATING A GREEN EFFECT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S A STARLIGHT ALLOWING JUST PURE CLEAN LIGHT THROUGH. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, SO THEN HOW IS THE, THE, UM, WOULD IT BE A KR FINISH THEN ON THE ALUMINUM OR IS THAT, I MEAN, TO MATCH SO THAT THEY DON'T, UM, HAVE TO BE PAINTED LIKE STEEL WOOD? THAT'S CORRECT. IT WOULD BE A COUNTER. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AH, YES. WHICHEVER ONE. IF YOU WANTS TO GO, I THINK YOU PICKED IT UP. YOU, YOU DID SAY IT WAS GONNA BE A LOW IRON, UH, SO IT'D BE MORE OF A CLEAR BLAZE. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. WELL FIRST OF ALL, YOU'LL GET THE PRIZE FOR THE LONGEST CASE REPORT EVER, UH, IN A PACKET. SO I WANT CONGRATULATE YOU ON THAT AND ALL THE DETAIL, YOU THAT REPORT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER REPORT INTERN HAD TO PUT TOGETHER REPORT. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, FRONT ELEVATION WHERE THE SIGN, UH, IS LOCATED NOW. UM, THERE WAS REFERENCE IN THERE ABOUT THE SIGN BEING, I GUESS RESTORED. HOW IS THAT GONNA BE DONE? AND THERE'S ALSO A LADDER THAT CURRENTLY GOES OVER THE SIGN IS THAT LADDER GOING TO BE, UH, REMOVED? SO THE LADDER BASED ON HISTORICAL PHOTO EVIDENCE WAS NOT ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING AND IT IS BEING REMOVED. UM, THE CASTSTONE SIGN SIGN, I BELIEVE IS WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, THAT IS . IT IS TO REMAIN. ALL WE'RE DOING IS DOING A REFURBISH OF IT. SO IT'S JUST A CLEANING, A LIGHT CLEANING OF THAT CAST STONE. I, I GUESS ONE MORE QUESTION THEN ALSO WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FRONT FACADE, YOU'RE GONNA REPLACE THE, THE RED REDDISH BRICK, UM, WITH, UM, GLASS BLOCK. UH, IS THE GLASS BLOCK REPLACEMENT BASED ON THE SIZE AND SCALE OF THE ORIGINAL GLASS BLOCK THAT WAS THERE? YES, THAT'S CONFIRMED. UM, THERE IS SOME GLASS BLOCK THAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE INTERIOR AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BASING ON THE NEW GLASS BLOCK ON. IT'S A FOUR BY EIGHT UNIT. UM, AND SO WE'RE MATCHING IT IN KIND. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? ANY MOTION FROM COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE A MOTION. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, NO, FOR YOUR MOTION, UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER ONE, UH, KNOWN AS COA 25 DASH 4 88, ALSO KNOWN AS 5,000 SOUTH MALCOLM X BOULEVARD THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE AS, UH, AS NOTED. SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER HOSA. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT. I I JUST WANNA THANK DISD FOR GOING TO THIS LEVEL OF RESTORATION ON THE BUILDING. IT'S VERY EXCITING, UH, TO SEE THIS AND TO SEE ALL OF THE WORK THAT'S GONNA BE DONE TO REALLY BRING THIS BUILDING BACK. 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S A VERY SPECIAL BUILDING IN THE DISD PORTFOLIO AND SOMETHING THAT'S UNUSUAL, NOT LIKE A TYPICAL SCHOOL. SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT, UM, THAT D IS SD IS BRINGING THIS BACK TO ITS, UH, FORMER GLORY. YES. THANK YOU. THAT'S NICE OF YOU. ALSO SAVED YOURSELF SOME TROUBLE , YOU KNOW, BRING US SOMETHING WE LIKE IS ALWAYS EASIER. ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. IT APPEARS THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY AND YOU MAY PROCEED WITH YOUR WORK. THANK YOU. COUNTY AFTER STAFF SENDS YOU YOUR CA THAT IS NOT UNTIL YOU HAVE A C POST . ALRIGHT, I BELIEVE NEXT UP IS D TWO FAIR PARK. OKAY, DISCUSSION ITEM D TWO. THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF. THIS, IT'S THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 100 COTTON BOWL PLAZA IN THE FAIR PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 DASH 504. THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REHABILITATE THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE PLAZA BETWEEN COTTON BOWL STADIUM AND THE LEONHARDT LAGOON, INCLUDING THE INSTALLATION OF NEW TREES, THE REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING PAVEMENT AND THE REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION OF FLAG POLES TO NEW FLAG POLES NEAR THE LAGOON. THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST TO REHABILITATE EXISTING LANDSCAPE PLAZA BETWEEN COTTON BOW STADIUM AND THE LEONHARDT LAGOON, INCLUDING THE INSTALLATION OF NEW TREES, [01:20:01] THE REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING PAVEMENT AND THE REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION OF FLAG POLES TO NEW FLAG POSTS NEAR THE LAGOON, BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 11 19 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT FONT FOR NEW SIGNAGE BE BODEGA SANDS TO MATCH THE EXISTING FONT AT COTTON BOWL STADIUM. AND THAT ARTICLE 10 LANDSCAPE AND TREE PRESERVATION REGULATIONS OF THE CITY OF DALLAS CODE BE FOLLOWED FOR TREE AND PLANT MATERIALS. REPLACEMENT IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTINGS, DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION. NO QUORUM COMMENTS. ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS. NUMBER ONE, TRY TO MINIMIZE NUMBER OF TRENCHED DRAINS EXISTING STORM DRAINAGE SYSTEM ALREADY OVERWHELMED. NUMBER TWO, REVISE SIGNAGE FONT TO VEGA SANDS TO MATCH FONT MOST RECENTLY USED IN COTTON BOWL STADIUM. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE SPEAKERS FOR THIS ONE. I DUNNO IF THEY'RE HERE OR ONLINE. ARE YOU, I'M GOING TO CALL YOU JACQUELINE. YES. OKAY, . AND YOU MAY PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME FOR ME, AS YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD, YOU HAVE TO TELL ME YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE OF HOW TRUTHFUL YOU ARE. I PUSHED HER UP OR CAN YOU HEAR ME? UH, LEAN IN A LITTLE BIT. CAN YOU HEAR ME? I THINK IT'S ON. YEAH. OKAY. I THINK IT'S ON. YES. MY NAME IS JACQUELINE CRANNICK. I'M WITH CCA LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS ADDRESS 1701 WHISPERING PINES CENTER, TEXAS 7 5 0 0 5 8. UM, AND YES, I PROMISE TO TELL THE KIDS. THANK YOU. NOW YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US WHAT YOU THINK WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. UM, THIS PROJECT IS, UH, THE EXISTING COTTON BOWL PLAZA. SO THE RENDERING YOU SEE ON THE, ON THE LEFT IS THE 1936 PLAN. AND THE PLAN ON THE, ON THE RIGHT WITH THE STAR IS THE PROPOSED PLAN. UH, THE PROJECT IS TO REMOVE THE PAVEMENT. MOST OF THIS WAS, WAS THE, THE PLAZA WAS REDONE IN THE 1970S. UM, AND IT IS NOT IN VERY GOOD CONDITION. UH, NONE OF THE, UH, BUILDINGS AROUND THE PLAZA WILL BE AFFECTED. SO THE PLAN IS TO REMOVE THE 1970S PAVEMENT FROM GATE A ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE, UH, THE PLANTERS AT THE LAGOON, REPLACE IT WITH NEW PAVEMENT THAT WILL BE AN EXPOSED AGGREGATE TO MATCH SOME OF THE HISTORIC DOCUMENTS AND PAVEMENT FOUND THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE OF FAIR PARK. THANK YOU. AND, UM, AND THEN PLANT TWO ROWS OF LIVE OAK TREES. ONE ON EACH SIDE OF GATE A, UM, AND A FLAGPOLE AT THE END OF EACH ONE WITH THE UNITED STATES FLAG AND ONE WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS FLAG. UM, THIS PLAN DOES FOLLOW THE PD, OR SORRY, THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR FAIR PARK. IT ALSO FOLLOWS THE SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR FAIR PARK IN THE CENTER JUST BELOW THE STAR, WHICH THE STAR IS A COLORED CONCRETE. UM, THERE IS A, A DEDICATION SIGN FOR CORONA PLAZA, WHICH, UH, THE PLAZA WILL BE REDEDICATED AS CORONA PLAZA. UM, THE CORONA FAMILY IS DONATING MONEY TO REDO THE, SO I WAS GOING THROUGH THAT VERY QUICKLY, THAT WE APPRECIATE YOUR BREVITY. , IS THAT YOU HAVE WHAT? GO AHEAD, SORRY. UH, YEAH. SO THE, THE MAIN FIELD OF, OF PAVEMENT WILL BE THE EXPOSED AGGREGATES. THE VANS THAT YOU SEE NORTH AND SOUTH, UM, WILL BE, UH, UH, AN, UH, SORRY, INTEGRAL COLOR CONCRETE. AND THEN THE STAR WILL BE AN INTEGRAL COLOR CONCRETE, WHICH IS ALLOWABLE WITHIN THE PARK ORDINANCE. I'M FINISHED. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHTY. AND THERE WAS ANOTHER SPEAKER, JOHN HUTCHINS. YES. MY NAME IS JOHN HUTCHINS. I'M WITH, UH, LIN. AND, UH, I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. OKAY. WE STILL NEED YOUR ADDRESS IN YOUR PROMISE. MY ADDRESS IS 4 0 3 THOMPSON IN RICHARDSON, TEXAS, 7 5 0 8 0. AND I WILL TELL THE TRUTH. THANK YOU. SO NOW WE CAN GO TO QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS FOR OUR TWO SPEAKERS. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. UH, YES. WERE THERE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF FIGHT CALLS ORIGINALLY ON THE PLAZA IN THE 1936, UH, PLANS? THERE WERE FLAGPOLES ON TOP OF EACH ONE OF THE TICKET BOOS, WHICH ARE THOSE LITTLE GRAY BOXES ON THE NORTH. [01:25:01] UM, IN THE CURRENT PLA UH, PLAZA THAT WAS REDONE IN THE 1970S, THERE'S KIND OF A GROUP OF FLAGPOLES RIGHT IN THE CENTER THAT ARE, UH, KIND OF A BLACK COLOR. THEY DON'T MATCH ANY OF THE OTHER FLAGPOLES IN THE PARK AND THEY HAVE NOT HAD FLAGS ON THEM FOR MANY YEARS. OKAY. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT OF PUTTING THE, PUTTING THE FLAGPOLES BACK AS THEY WERE ORIGINALLY IN 36? UM, WE, WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT. UH, THE, THERE WERE, UH, QUITE A FEW AND MANY OF THEM, AS I SAID, WERE MOUNTED ON TOP OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE NO LONGER THERE. OKAY. AND REALLY NOT NEEDED 'CAUSE WE DON'T NEED TONS OF TICKET BOOTH. UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD IS JUST, UM, THE PARKS, SORRY, UH, FRIENDS AT THEIR PARK AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, UM, HAVING THE FUNDS TO REPLACE ALL OF THE FLAGPOLES OR SORRY, FLAGS THROUGHOUT THE PARK. UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOME FLAGPOLES, BUT NOT AS MANY AS THERE WERE HISTORICALLY. UM, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT ACCESS. ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE BIG DIFFERENCES FROM THE 1936 PLAN TO TODAY REALLY IS THE CROWD FLOW. THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WE NEED TO GO THROUGH HERE. AND EVEN SOME OF THE USE OF THE PLAZA IS QUITE DIFFERENT. AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE 1936, IT WAS MUCH MORE NARROW. THE STADIUM HELD 20,000, 25,000 PEOPLE. TODAY IT HOLDS AROUND 93,000. UM, THE PLANTERS AND SOME OF THE TREES THAT ARE IN THE PLAZA NOW ARE HUGE OBSTACLES CREATING A LOT OF ISSUES FOR THE PARK, UM, FOR, FOR THE, SORRY FOR THE GAMES AND, AND THE EVENTS THAT THEY'RE HOLDING. UM, SO AGAIN, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT. UH, THERE'S ALSO THE GONDOLA THAT GOES THROUGH THE CENTER OF THIS ACROSS THE STAR. SO THAT DOES RESTRICT SOME OF THE HEIGHT, UH, THAT WE CAN DO IN CERTAIN AREAS. FORGOT TO MENTION THAT, I'M SORRY, THAT DID NOT EXIST IN THE 1936 PLAN. OKAY. UM, AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS WHERE, UM, WHERE DOES THE STAR COME FROM? IS THAT HIS, THAT HISTORICAL PRECEDENT OR THERE WASN'T A STAR THERE BEFORE? WAS THERE? NO, THERE WAS NOT. UM, IN, UH, IN THE CENTER, THERE WAS, UH, KIND OF A LARGE SOUND PYLON. UH, HISTORICALLY, UH, WITHIN THE, THE FAIR PARK ORDINANCE, THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO RECONSTRUCT OR ADD A SITE SOUND PYLON IN THAT LOCATION. THERE ARE SOME STILL OVER AT THE ESPON. UM, AGAIN, THERE'S ALSO SOME HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS THERE IN THE CENTER BECAUSE OF THE GONDOLA THAT EXIST. UM, THE STAR IS, UH, A DESIGN, UH, ELEMENT TO HELP EMPHASIZE THE, THE CENTER AND THE, THE ACCESS FROM GATE A TO THE LAGOON. AND AGAIN, ACROSS FROM TOWER MALL TO THE MIDWAY. UM, WE LOOKED AT SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS. AND, UH, WE REALLY LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE IN THE GONDOLA OR IN ONE OF THE, IF YOU'RE UP IN THE, IN THE COTTON BOWL SUITES AND KIND OF HAVING A LARGE GRAPHIC, UM, WE THINK IT'LL, IT'LL READ AT DIFFERENT ANGLES DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE AT. AND AGAIN, UH, COLOR CONCRETE WAS USED AS AN ACCENT THROUGHOUT THE PARK IN THE 1936 PLANS ALL THE WAY UP TO TODAY TO ACCENT DIFFERENT ELEMENTS. I'M JUST WONDERING IF ADDING A FUTURE THAT WASN'T THERE IS, IS A GOOD IDEA. I DON'T KNOW. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. OKAY. THE, THE MAIN POINTS IN THE FAIRPORT ORDINANCE, UH, COME WITH THE ACCESS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE VIEWS AND THE PEDESTRIAN FLOW. YES, MA'AM. WHICH I NEED IT. OH, I'M ASKING A QUESTION. YES, I HAD MY MICROPHONE OFF. UM, I FINALLY FOUND THE PAGES I NEEDED TO, IN MY AGENDA WHERE YOU SHOW US THE HISTORIC LIGHT, A A LOVELY LIGHT, AND THEN THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO USE FOR THIS PROJECT. COULD YOU PLEASE, PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT LED YOU TO CHOOSE THIS PARTICULAR, THAT LIGHT? YEAH, THAT SILVERY ONE THERE. WHAT HISTORICALLY FROM THE PHOTOGRAPHS WE DO HAVE, WE BELIEVE THERE WERE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT LIGHT FIXTURES IN THE PLAZA, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE CLEAR IMAGES OF ALL OF THEM. IF YOU WALK AROUND FAIR PARK, THERE ARE SOME, CAN YOU GO TO THE SLIDE, JUST BE, IS THERE A SLIDE BEFORE THAT OR, YEAH, BEFORE THAT HAS A HISTORIC, THERE'S A PHOTO. I'M SORRY. THERE'S A PHOTO OF THE HISTORIC LIGHT IF THAT'S AVAILABLE. UH, IT MAY NOT BE [01:30:01] OKAY. IT MAY NOT BE. I'M, I APOLOGIZE. UM, SOME OF THE ONES THAT STILL EXIST IN THE PARK ARE KIND OF A, THAT RUST RED COLOR. MM-HMM. AND THEY'RE KIND OF THE ACORN, UH, LOWER PEDESTRIAN LIGHT. YOU SEE THEM ALONG, THEY'RE VERY CYLINDRICAL IS WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING. YES. UM, YOU SEE THEM ALONG THE ESPIONAGE. THEY'RE OVER AT THE WOMEN'S MUSEUM. THERE ARE SOME ALONG FIRST STREET, UM, ADJACENT TO THIS PROJECT. UM, HOWEVER, IN THE, IN THE 1936 PHOTOGRAPHS WE HAVE, THERE WERE SOME LARGER LIGHT ELEMENTS. SO WE DON'T HAVE EXTREMELY CLEAR PHOTOS OF ALL OF THEM. WE SELECTED THIS LIGHT FOR MULTIPLE REASONS. UH, WE CHOSE THE ALUMINUM FINISH TO HELP REPLICATE SOME OF THE FINISHES THAT WERE ON THE FLAG POLES THAT WERE THROUGHOUT THE PLAZA. HISTORICALLY, UH, THIS LIGHT IS AN LED AND WILL GIVE MUCH BETTER LIGHT DISTRIBUTION THAN SOME OF THE HISTORIC LIGHTS THAT ARE STILL IN THE PARK, SOME OF WHICH DON'T WORK. UM, ALL OF THE LIGHTING HISTORICALLY, ESPECIALLY FROM THE 1936 CLEANS WAS A MORE INDIRECT LIGHT, UH, WHEN THE PARK WAS FIRST OPEN FROM, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OF OF, OF THE HISTORY OF THE PARK, UH, THE LIGHTING AND, AND THOSE SORTS OF ELEMENTS WERE VERY REVOLUTIONARY. THEY WERE MEANT TO BE CUTTING EDGE. THERE'S MEANT TO BE MODERN, IT WAS MEANT TO WOW PEOPLE. UM, SO WE REALLY WANTED SOMETHING THAT HAD A BIT OF HISTORY TO IT AND KIND OF WORKED WELL WITH SOME OF THE HISTORIC LIGHTS IN THE PARK, BUT ALSO GAVE US THAT LITTLE BIT OF MODERN LOOK AND GAVE US THE MODERN LIGHT THAT WE NEED, MEANING THE LED FEATURES AND THE ABILITY TO CONTROL THE LIGHT SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE A SAFE SPACE, UH, DURING MULTIPLE DIFFERENT EVENTS. AND THE GOAL OF THE PLAZA REDO ALSO, NUMBER ONE, IT NEEDS IT 'CAUSE OF THE, UH, CONDITION OF THE PLAZA, BUT ALSO TO HELP THE PARK HAVE OTHER FUNCTIONS BEYOND THE FAIR, YOU KNOW, SO YOU CAN BRING IN IT AND HAVE OTHER, OTHER, OTHER EVENTS. OKAY. AND SO YOU HAD HAD A REASON FOR CHOOSING THAT COLOR? YEAH. YES. WE WANTED TO KIND OF MIMIC THE, UH, FLAGPOLES THAT USED TO BE IN THIS SPACE. UH, SOME OF THE METAL TONES THAT ARE IN THE SIGNAGE ORDINANCE AND THROUGHOUT THE PARK. AND AGAIN, ALSO PROVIDE SOMETHING THAT WOULD GIVE US ADEQUATE LIGHTING FOR THIS PLAZA BASED ON THE WIDTH. OKAY. AND DO YOU HAVE ANY, UM, ISSUE WITH THE RECOMMENDED CHANGE AND THE SIGNAGE FONT? OH, THAT WAS YOURS, . SORRY THAT I, NO, THE, UH, THE SIGN YOU SEE THERE WHERE IT SAYS CORONA PLAZA, THAT THAT WOULD BE THE, THE FONT. AND UH, AS FAR AS WE UNDERSTAND FROM THE DISCUSSIONS WITH TASK FORCE, THE BODEGA SAND IS, IS ACCEPTABLE. AND THAT'S WHAT'S USED ON COTTON BOWL STADIUM WITH THE RECENT RENOVATIONS, UM, WE DID CHANGE IT. UH, IN FACT, THIS, THIS GRAPHIC IS AN UPDATE WHERE THE LETTERS WILL BE STAINLESS STILL TO FOLLOW THE SIGNAGE ORDINANCE AND MATCH ALL OF THE EXISTING SIGNAGE AND THE DONOR, THE DONOR LIKES THIS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL LET Y'ALL REST A MINUTE. SO BEHIND THE LETTERS, UH, IS THAT, ARE THE LETTERS FREESTANDING FROM I GUESS THE, THE PANEL BEHIND THE YES, THEY WOULD BE FREESTANDING ON EACH SIDE. SO YOU COULD SEE A OKAY. EITHER DIRECTION AND THERE WOULD JUST BE LIKE A POWDER COATED METAL PLATE IN THE MIDDLE. OKAY. AND IT HAS A VERY SMALL LIGHT BAR. WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION ON, UH, THE KELVIN COLOR OF THE LIGHT AND IT NEEDING TO BE ONE COLOR OR ANOTHER COLOR, OR WILL IT, WILL IT BE SOME, I KNOW YOU WANTED IT, RIGHT? UM, WELL CAN YOU EXPLAIN ON THAT? ON THE COLOR OF THE LIGHT? I, I HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS WITH A LA LIGHTING CONSULTANTS ABOUT THE PHOTOMETRICS AND GETTING THE LIGHT DISTRIBUTION WE NEEDED. UM, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE COLOR, I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY. I I KNOW IT'S A BIT ADJUSTABLE BASED ON THE LIGHT FIXTURE ITSELF. UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT COLOR RANGE IT WILL BE. I APOLOGIZE. THIS IS A LIFE THAT'S BEEN USED, UH, ELSEWHERE AT OTHER PROJECTS IN THE CITY. IT WAS USED AT SCOTTISH RIGHT. HOSPITAL AND SOME OTHER, SO I, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT, I JUST KNOW SOMETIMES I'VE TERM IT'S BEEN IN PROJECTS AND I'VE HAD LIGHT STANDARDS HERE AND DIFFERENT TIMES AND DIFFERENT PHASES AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT. KELVIN, LIGHT COLORED, THOSE ALL BE WHITE, BRIGHT WHITE AND THOSE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE YELLOW. AND JUST THE INCONSISTENCY OF IT JUST KIND OF STANDS OUT. JUST WAS TRYING TO SEE IF THAT WAS CONSIDERED AND IT NOT, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING COULD BE LOOKED AT. UM, I MEAN THE, THE NEW POLES WILL ALL BE A CONSISTENT COLOR AND, AND LIGHT. UH, THERE ARE, AS I MENTIONED, SOME ADJACENT LIGHT FIXTURES THAT WILL REMAIN. AND THERE'S SOME LIGHTS LIKE AT THE ENTRANCES TO THE BUILDINGS AROUND THOSE WILL, THOSE WILL NOT BE CHANGED. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE IF THEY'RE AT SOME OF THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS, THE EXIT, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE IF IT, THE SPECS HAD, DIDN'T LOOKED INTO AND [01:35:01] KIND OF CARRIED THROUGH. AND THOSE ARE, YEAH. GOOD, GOOD QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING DOUG? SO THERE'S BEEN, I MEAN IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL 36 PLAN, THERE WAS THIS NICE KIND OF SOUTHERN MEDIAN THAT'S THERE. UH, SORRY, WOULD BE FINE. JUST THIS LITTLE, LITTLE BIT OF OPEN SPACE. THIS NEW DESIGN SEEMS A LITTLE STARK TO ME. THE ONLY THING THAT IS REALLY GREEN ARE THESE TREES, UH, THAT ARE PLACED IN THESE GRATES, WHICH TEND TO NOT REALLY ALLOW THEM TO GROW VERY WELL. WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OF ADDING ANY KIND OF OPEN SPACE, BUT A LITTLE BIT OF OPEN SPACE THAT'S THERE? THAT'S STILL GREEN IS ON THE SOUTH END STILL, SO THIS IS ALL JUST GONNA GO AWAY. THERE. THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. UM, SO THE, OR SOME OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDINGS ARE NO LONGER THERE. UH, THAT DOES CHANGE THE CONTEXT OF THE PLAZA. UM, THE CROWD FLOW ONCE AGAIN IS VERY DIFFERENT. AND THE OTHER ITEM THAT WE ARE HAVING TO MEET THAT WAS NOT HAVING THAT WAS NOT REQUIRED IN 1936 IS THE CURRENT FIRE CODE. SO WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET A FIRETRUCK ALL THE WAY THROUGH HERE WITH TENTS AND VENDORS, UM, AT ALL DIFFERENT EVENTS. SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS, UH, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MOVING PARTS TO, TO GET THIS TO WORK WITH TODAY'S NEEDS AND CODES. UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT IS A STRUGGLE TO, TO COME IN AND ADD A LARGE GRASSY CENTER. UM, IT WOULD REALLY PROHIBIT A LOT OF THE NEEDS AND USE FOR THE FARE, THE GAMES AND OTHER ITEMS. IT ALSO WOULD LIMIT OR, UH, IT WOULD NOT MEET THE FIRE COAT OF TODAY WITH THE WIDTHS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO GET THROUGH THERE. UM, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT ALSO JUST HAS A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT MAINTAINING THAT WITH THAT MUCH TRAFFIC AND FLOW. THE LARGE PLANTERS THAT ARE IN THE PLAZA KIND OF IN THAT LOCATION TODAY ARE A HUGE OBSTACLE FOR SETTING UP, BRINGING IN. UH, THEY BRING IN LARGE 18 WHEELERS TO SET UP THE TENTS STAGES AND OTHER ITEMS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF LOGISTICS WITH THAT. THE, UH, THERE IS ON THE MATERIALS PAGE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ALSO ABOUT THE TREES AND MAKING SURE THOSE ARE PLANTED IN LIKE A, A SPECIAL SOIL MIX WITH A SILVA CELL AND IRRIGATION SO THAT THEY CAN GROW TO THEIR FULL POTENTIAL. AND ALSO BRINGING IN LARGER TREES SO THAT WE DO GET AS MUCH GREEN AS POSSIBLE FROM DAY ONE. UM, IN THE HISTORIC PHOTOS YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE TREES, BUT THEY'RE VERY, VERY SMALL. UM, I DO BELIEVE A NUMBER OF THE TREES, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE PARK, THEY'VE BEEN THERE A REALLY LONG TIME. SO THEY, THEY HAVE ESTABLISHED AND THE PREDOMINANT SPECIES IS, IS THE LIVE OAK. UM, THAT'S WHAT'S USED AROUND MOST OF THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT ARE STILL WITH US FROM 1936. THERE'S ALSO, UM, A GROVE OF LIVE OAKS THAT GOES ALONG TOWER MALL KIND OF FROM BIG PETS OVER TO THE MIDWAY. THOSE WILL REMAIN. AND THERE'S A GROVE OF LIVE OAKS, UM, KIND OF JUST OFF THE PROJECT DOWN ON THE, THE LOWER, UM, RIGHT HAND CORNER. THOSE WILL ALSO REMAIN, UH, WE LOOKED AT EVEN PUTTING SOME GRASS UNDER THOSE. BUT BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY OF THEIR CANOPY, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS HAD EXTREME DIFFICULTY KEEPING, NOT JUST GETTING IT TO PHYSICALLY GROW BECAUSE OF THE SUNLIGHT, BUT ALSO JUST THE YOUTH STEERING EVENTS. AND SO THEY'VE ASKED FOR JUST DECOMPOSED GRANITE, WHICH IS WHAT'S THERE NOW, WHICH WILL ALSO HELP PROTECT THEIR ROOT SYSTEM AND NOT, YOU KNOW, BRING A LOT OF PAVEMENT UP TO THEIR TRUNK. SO I HAD A LOT OF THOUGHT ABOUT IT. , I'M I'M SURE YOU DID. UM, YEAH, I'M NOT GONNA, WELL MAYBE I WILL DRAW A PARALLEL TO A BIG PLAZA THAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF THIS BUILDING THAT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE BECAUSE THERE IS NO GREEN SPACE. UH, WELL THERE IS, BUT IT'S SPLIT PATH. LONG STORY. BUT ANYWAY, UH, SO DALLAS HAS A HISTORY OF CREATING THESE HEAT SINKS. RIGHT. AND JUST WANNA BE CAUTIOUS. AND I THINK THE CRITICAL SUCCESS HERE IS, IS PROVIDING ADEQUATE, UM, SOIL AND CONDITIONS FOR THOSE TREES TO GROW AND NOT DIE OR BE STUNTED. RIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION. COMMISSIONER OSA, UH, GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA WITH YOUR MOTION. OKAY. IN THE MATTER OF, UH, COA THAT I'M SORRY. OKAY. IN THE MATTER OF CO A DASH 25 DASH 0 0 5 4, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS A HUNDRED COTTON BOWL [01:40:01] PLAZA AT THE FAIR PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT, I MOVE THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO APPROVE THE REQUEST TO REHABILITATE EXISTING LANDSCAPE PLAZA BETWEEN COMPOST STADIUM AND THE LEONHARDT LAGOON, INCLUDING THE INSTALLATION OF NEW TREES, THE REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING PAVEMENT AND THE REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION OF FLAG FLAGPOLES. TWO NEW FLAGPOLES NEAR THE LAGOON IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS STATED 11 19 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT FOUGHT FOR NEW SIGNAGE. B BODEGA SCIENCE TO MATCH THE EXISTING FONT AT CON STADIUM AND THAT ARTICLE 10, LANDSCAPE AND TREE PRESERVATION REGULATIONS OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE BE FOLLOWED FOR TREE AND PLANT MATERIALS. REPLACEMENT IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE CITY CODE STANDARDS AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR SETTING PREZI C. SECOND. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER PREZI C FOR YOUR SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ARE YOU WISHING TO FURTHER DISCUSS COMMISSIONER C**S? I SAY, OH, YOU'RE JUST GETTING READY TO VOTE? OKAY, THEN I WILL CALL FOR THE VOTE . ALL THOSE WHO ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? OPPOSED? UH, I, WE HAVE ONE IN OPPOSITION. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WAS OPPOSED? OKAY, SO THE MOTION HAS STILL CARRIED SO YOU WILL PROCEED WITH YOUR PLANS AND I HOPE IT TURNS OUT WELL WHAT'S, THANK YOU VERY MUCH WAS THAT COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON WAS IN OPPOSITION TO THE MOTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BYE-BYE. UH, YES, STEVE FIVE IS NEXT, AFTER WHICH WE'LL PROBABLY TAKE OUR SHORT AND NECESSARY BREAK. OKAY, CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 5 6 10 NORTH GLASGOW DRIVE, GENIUS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 25 0 0 0 400. WE HAVE FOUR REQUESTS. REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT TWO STORY REAR ADDITION TO MAIN STRUCTURE REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL RAILING ON FRONT FORGE OF MAIN STRUCTURE. REQUEST NUMBER THREE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE SKIRTING ON MAIN STRUCTURE REQUEST NUMBER FOUR, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT MAIN STRUCTURE BODY SW 6 1 7 8 CL SAGE TRIM SW 6 3 8 5 DOVE WHITE AND ACCENT W 63 34 FLOWER PLOT STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT TWO STORY REAR EDITION TO MAIN STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE MASSING, ITS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE MAIN STRUCTURE THAT THE PROPOSED WORK IS A CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA IN SECTION 8.5. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTINGS. STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL RAILING ON FRONT PORCH OF MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 12 1 20 25. THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 4.1 B, THE STANDARDS IN CITY SECTION 51 DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOUR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION STAFF. RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE SKIRTING ON MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 12 1 20 25. THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA IN SECTION 4.1 B STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. STEP RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT MAIN STRUCTURE BODY SW 61 78 CLARY SAGE TRIM SW 63 85, DOVE WHITE AND ACCENT W 63 34 FLOWER POT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 12 1 20 25. THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA IN SECTION 4.8, THE STANDARD IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY REAR ADDITION BE APPROVED AS SHOWN. NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST TO INSTALL RAILING ON FRONT PORCH OF MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED AS SHOWN. NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST TO REPLACE SKIRTING ON MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED AS SHOWN. NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE REQUEST TO PAINT MAIN STRUCTURE BODY SW 6 1 78 CLEAR SAGE TRIM [01:45:01] SW 6 38 5 DO WHITE AND ACCENTS W 6 3 3 4 FLOWER POT BE APPROVED AS SHOWN. ALL THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS, I BELIEVE I SEE BOTH OF THEM. UH, SAUL CASTANEDO IN PERSON HERE AND JEN CARLSON IS AT HOME ON THE SCREEN. WHO IS GOING TO GO FIRST? OH, INTRODUCE ME. SO BRIEFLY. MY NAME IS SAUL CASTANEDA, SIX 10 NORTH GLASGOW, DALLAS, TEXAS OH 5 2 1 4. I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. YOU GOT IT. I'M HERE TO BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION MORE. SO, UH, SEEK FEEDBACK AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE. DON'T REALLY HAVE AN OPEN STATEMENT. OKAY. AND UM, MS. CARLSON? YEAH, I'M JEN CARLSON. UH, ADDRESS 5 6 3 1 VICTOR STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 4. AND I WILL TELL THE TRUTH, I'M GONNA SHARE THIS. THANK YOU. OKAY. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE US TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? YEAH, LET ME SHARE. UM, OKAY, SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN. UM, THIS IS A SECOND STORY EDITION ON THE REAR PART OF THE REAR, 50% OF THE EXISTING MAIN HOME. THIS IS ONE OF THE CROSS STREET LOTS. IT'S ONLY 3000 SQUARE FEET OF JUNIOR HEIGHTS. UM, SO IT IS SMALLER THAT THERE'S AN ALLEY THAT BORDERS IT AND THEN SOMEONE'S REAR YARD THAT BORDERS IT ON THE OTHER SIDE. UM, AND SO IT'S CURRENTLY 880 SQUARE FEET. WE'RE ADDING 420 SQUARE FEET TO BE 1300 SQUARE FEET TOTAL. UM, THE SECOND STORY REALLY IS MEANT TO MIMIC THE EXISTING HOME AND ALL OF ITS DETAILING. UM, AND THE HEIGHT OF IT IS BASED ON CEILINGS ON THE, UM, SECOND STORY CEILING AND THEN, UM, MATCHING THE PITCH OF THE EXISTING ROOF. UM, I CAN SHOW SOME PERSPECTIVES JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF SCALE OF WHAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM ACROSS THE STREET. AND THEN, UM, JUST SO YOU ALL UNDERSTAND KIND OF THE SCALE AGAIN, THERE'S PRECEDENT FOR IT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE ON HUNTLEY THAT'S VERY SIMILAR. UM, PRINCIPALS DESIGN WISE AND THEN HEIGHTS. JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, SURROUNDING THIS HOUSE, THIS IS THE STREET, THIS IS OUR LOT. THE ONLY OTHER HOUSE FACING, UH, THIS, THIS PART OF THE BLOCK OF NORTH GLASGOW IS NOT A HISTORIC HOUSE, BUT IT'S TWO STORIES. IT'S 28 FEET, UM, WHICH IS THE SAME AS WHAT WE WOULD BE PROPOSING. AND THEN THERE'S A HOUSE ON THE CORNER THAT'S 35 FEET. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ALTERNATIVES, UM, ROOF OPTIONS AND UM, FENESTRATION OPTIONS THAT IF THERE IS OPPOSITION TO THE DESIGN, WE'RE HAPPY TO DISCUSS AND COLLABORATE ON TODAY. BUT, UM, THAT'S AN OVERVIEW, SO ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, LET, LET'S SEE ABOUT THAT. UH, COMMISSIONER'S QUESTION. I, UH, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE OVERALL SCALE. UM, I REALIZE YOU WERE, YOU WERE CHOOSING TO UM, USE THE SAME DETAIL THAT'S ON THE FRONT PORCH AT THE, UM, THE ELEVATION THAT'S FACING THE MAIN STREET. BUT I WAS WONDERING IN YOUR ALTERNATIVE ROOF, UM, SOLUTIONS, DID YOU LOOK AT ONE THAT WAS, UH, ACROSS THE GABLE? UM, WHAT I WAS THINKING WAS THAT IT WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE THIS OVERALL SCALE AND THERE IT IS. YEAH, IT, IT LOWERS A JUST OVER TWO FEET. TWO FOOT THREE. SO THAT WOULD BE THE CROSS GABLE OPTION AND THEN A, A HIP ROOF UP HIP ROOF OPTION. THEY LOWER IT ABOUT THE SAME HEIGHT? YEAH. OR THE HIP. YEAH. MY UM, I THINK THE ROOF SHAPE IN THIS ONE IS A LOT MORE, UH, APPEALING. EVEN THE, EVEN THE HIP I THINK IS A REASONABLE SOLUTION. UM, MY ONLY CONTINUING, UM, OR ADDITIONAL UM, THOUGHT WAS THAT AT LEAST AT THE SCALE OR THE IMAGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, THE WINDOWS ON FACING THE FRONT LOOK SQUARE, I KNOW THAT THE APERTURE IN THIS, UH, THE SCREEN RATIO IS A LITTLE WIDE, UM, BUT GENERALLY THE GROUND FLOOR WINDOWS ARE, ARE MORE VERTICAL. UM, YEAH, YEAH. WOULD YOU BE MALLABLE TO, TO MATCH THAT PROPORTION AT LEAST? UM, THE ONLY TRICK FOR US IS JUST WHAT'S THE PROGRAM ELEMENTS THAT ARE BEHIND THAT. SO WE'RE TRYING, YEAH, IT'S ABOUT TO, THE CEILING IS REALLY LIKE EXACTLY WHERE THE HEIGHT OF THAT WINDOW IS SO WE CAN'T REALLY GO TALLER. UM, BUT THEN THERE'S, IT'S A BATHROOM SO WE DON'T WANT A FULL HEIGHT WINDOW IN THERE. UM RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THE SHAPE THAT THEY ARE. UM MM-HMM . YEAH, YOU COULD KEEP THE SAME HEIGHT BUT MAYBE GO A LITTLE NARROWER TO [01:50:01] KEEP THE PROPORTION. OH, I SEE. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER PREZI, UM, EXPLAIN TO US AGAIN A LITTLE BIT THE UNUSUALNESS ABOUT THIS LOT. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT COMES INTO PLAY WITH YOU ARE BEING FORCED TO GO UP RATHER THAN OUT OR BACK OR TO THE SIDE. UH, AND EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT YOUR CONSTRAINTS WITH THIS LOT. YEAH. UM, SO THIS IS A LITTLE BLURRY SINCE IT ZOOMS OUT TO THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THE DOTS ARE SHOWING THE ONLY OTHER, UH, PLACES WHERE THESE LOTS OCCURRED. AND SO YOU'RE BASICALLY, OUR LOT IS RIGHT HERE, BUT SINCE THIS IS A LITTLE CLOSER UP, YOU CAN SEE BETTER AT SOME POINT THEY JUST SUBDIVIDED. SO THIS WAS TWO NORMAL, LOTS ON NORMAL BLOCK FACES OF UM, JUNIORS AND WIR AND THEN THEY JUST CUT OUT THIS LOT AND MADE IT FACE BEACON. AND SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT OCCURRED FOR OUR LOT ON GLASGOW. AND SO WE HAVE AN ALLEY HERE, WHICH IS THE SIDE YARD, LEFT SIDE YARD OF THIS HOUSE. AND THEN THERE'S A HOUSE WHOSE REAR YARD IS THE RIGHT SIDE YARD OF THIS HOUSE. AND THEN THIS LOT, THEIR REAR YARD IS THE REAR PROPERTY LINE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT OUR SITE PLAN, THIS IS SOMEONE ELSE'S BACKYARD, THIS IS SOMEONE ELSE'S BACKYARD AND THEN THIS IS THE ALLEY. DOES THAT HELP? YES. THANK YOU. SO YOU REALLY HARDLY HAVE ANY SPACE AROUND THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE, LIKE FIVE FEET AROUND IT OR SOMETHING. AND THE EXISTING HOUSE IS 880 SQUARE FEET. UM, IT'S PRETTY MODEST ADDITION. UM, JUST GETTING IT TO 1300 SQUARE FEET WITH THE, THE REAR ADDITION. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I HAD A FOLLOW UP QUESTION. SO I SAW YOU DID THE, A MODEL FOR THE UM, FOR THE AIRPLANE BUNGALOW THAT GABLE'S FACING THE SAME DIRECTION. DID YOU HAPPEN TO DO ONE FOR THE LOWER SCALE LOOPS, WHAT YOU WOULD SEE FOR THE CROSS GABLE AND THE HIP? YEAH, NO, I VERY QUICKLY LOOKED AT IT AND IT CAME TO MAYBE CROSS GABLE WAS LIKE ABOUT HERE, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE UM, ACTUAL RENDERING. NO, YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING AT THE POINT. BASICALLY IT LOWERS THE SOUND. OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? INCLUDING THE COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE AT HOME IN THAT CASE I'D BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION. UM, I, I DO UM, I DO THINK THAT IT'S LIKELY THAT THOSE OTHER ROOF OPTIONS ARE PROBABLY BETTER AND, AND ANSWER SOME OF OUR CONCERNS WE WOULD NEED SUBMITTED DRAWINGS. SO TO VOTE ON IT REALLY SHOWS WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A LOT OF CHANGE TO JUST SAY, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO ASK FOR ADVICE. SHOULD WE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE? UM, AND THEN IF, UH, I GUESS IF STAFF THEN DID RECEIVE ALTERNATE DRAWINGS, WOULD IT HAVE TO COME BACK TO US FOR, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK WHEN STAFF WOULD BRING US THE, THE NEW DRAWINGS FOR THE NEW DESIGN AND COULD A LARGE ADDITION SOMETIMES DOES COME THROUGH TWICE OR DOES OCCUR HERE IF REVIEW ONCE AND THEN COMES THROUGH. I, I WASN'T SURE IF EVERYONE IS ABLE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO MOTION ON WHAT IS CURRENTLY UP THERE NOW AND YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE ALL THE OTHER SPECS, SHE CAN JUST EMAIL ME THIS LIKE RIGHT NOW AND THEN YOU COULD APPROVE BASED ON THESE PLANS, COULDN'T SHE? THAT IS UP TO WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION. THEY CAN BASE IT ON THAT. SHE'S THROWING THAT OUT THERE. IT'S KIND OF SMALL AND . I DON'T KNOW. I'M HAVING TROUBLE SEEING IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT AS AN ARCHITECT LOOKING AT PLANS. MAYBE SHE CAN ZOOM IN. IT COULD, IT COULD ALSO BE APPROVED, POTENTIALLY APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS. YEP. AND ADD THE CONDITION THAT STAFF, UH, STAFF REVIEW THE SPEC TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, AND MAKE SURE, I JUST WANTED TO HAVE US CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE WE, WE SOMETIMES APPROVE WITH A LOT OF STAFF LOOKING AT THIS OR THAT AND SOMETIMES THERE'S A, THERE'S GOTTA BE A LINE BEYOND WITH WE CAN SEE IT AGAIN AND HAVE THE ACCURATE PLANS AND AND A LINE WHEN WE GO THAT OTHER WAY. I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS HOW I DECIDE THE OTHER JUST, IT MUST BE A THOUGHT ABOUT BY WHOEVER MAKES THE MOTION, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WON'T BE ME SINCE I'M CAN'T STAND, CAN'T FIND A LINE STATE. NO. CHRISTINA, IS THERE A WAY TO REFER TO THIS UH, SUBMISSION AS LIKE YES. JEN, CAN YOU EMAIL ME THAT RIGHT NOW WHILE THEY'RE MAKING THE MOTION? YEAH, I ACTUALLY DID EARLIER [01:55:01] WHEN I EMAILED YOU ABOUT UM, SHARING MY SCREEN. I ATTACHED THAT IS THAT ONE. OKAY THEN I ACTUALLY ALREADY HAVE THIS WITH THE HIP. YES, I WILL OPEN IT UP TO BE SURE. BUT SHE SENT ME SOMETHING EARLIER IN CASE SHE COULDN'T SHARE HER SCREEN SO LET SURE, I WILL OPEN IT UP SO YOU CAN SEE IT WITH YOUR EYES AND THEN WE CAN MOVE. DO YOU WANT ME TO STOP SHARING? UM, YES PLEASE. OKAY, I'LL OPEN THE TWO UP. IT IS NOW PUBLICLY. YES. RIGHT. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, FROM THE ATTORNEY . OKAY, THERE WE GO. SO I WILL SHARE WHAT SHE SENT ME. IT'S BEEN THROUGH, SO THESE ARE WHAT SHE JUST SHOWED YOU ASKED HER IF SHE HAD THE OTHER ROOF BUT SHE DIDN'T KNOW THAT. BUT HERE ARE, SO WE HAVE THE, THIS OPTION AND SO THAT YOU'RE NOW SEEING IT ON. YEAH. ARE THOSE EXPOSED RAPTOR TAILS ON THE I CAN ADD AS A CONDITION? YES. UM, AND WHAT DO WE WANT TO CALL THIS PARTICULAR SUBMISSION? ALTERNATE TWO SO I CAN PUT IT IN THE RECORD. WE CAN JUST PUT REVISED PLAN. OKAY. AND STATE THAT THEY WERE SUBMITTED TODAY. SO YEAH, SUBMITTED REVISED PLAN SUBMITTED 12 1 20 25. 'CAUSE YOU HAVE A ROOM FULL OF WITNESSES THAT THEY WERE SUBMITTED TODAY. AND I HAVE THE EMAIL MARKED DATES, . OKAY, I HAVE THAT MOTION. UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UM, COA 25 DASH 400, ALSO KNOWN AS SIX 10 NORTH, UH, GLASGOW DRIVE. UM, THAT, UM, WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON, UM, ITEMS NUMBER TWO AND THREE AND ON ITEM ONE THAT WE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT WE, UM, FOLLOW THE SUBMISSION THAT WAS DATED UH, DECEMBER 1ST, 2025, UH, WITH TWO ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT THE RAFTER TAILS ARE EXPOSED ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND THAT THE PROPORTIONS OF THE WINDOWS FACING GLASGOW ARE OF THE SAME, UH, PROPORTION AS UH, ON THE, AS FOUND ON THE GROUND LEVEL JUST TO, UH, YOU WANT TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR TWO THROUGH FOUR. I'M SORRY, TWO AND THREE. YEAH, I DIDN'T SEE THE LAST ONE. TWO THROUGH FOUR. YES, I'D LIKE THE CLARIFICATION. ARE WE GOING WITH WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN? THE HIP SIDE? THAT IS CORRECT. ? YES, I OSI SECOND. OH, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER RENO AND COMMISSIONER PREZI. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, ME IF I HAVE. WELL THE, UH, THIS MASSING THIS HEIGHT IS QUITE CONSIDERABLE LARGER THAN THE HISTORIC AND I UNDERSTAND THE LOT CONSIDERATION HERE, BUT I'M NOT GONNA BE SUPPORTING THIS. IT'S, IT GOES AGAINST PRESERVATION STANDARDS AND NATIONAL PARK SERVICE CRITERIA. SO MPS 14, I MEAN IT'S THE SCALE, THE NEW ADDITION IS LAR LARGER THAN THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC BUILDING AND I THINK THAT JUST GOES AGAINST THE PRINCIPAL OF PRESERVATION. ALRIGHT. DO, DO YOU SEE AN ALTERNATE WAY THEY COULD ADD THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WASN'T QUITE SO TALL OR, I DON'T THINK THEY'VE MADE THE UPSTAIRS REAL. I DO NOT. I DO NOT. I'M JUST KIND OF GOING OFF ON THE CRITERIA AND THE, OF OUR GUIDELINES AND NPS GUIDELINES ON NPS 14 AS WELL. AND BOTH OF 'EM BASICALLY SAY YOU DON'T SAY NO, THE, THE ADDITIONS SCALE, THE, THE SCALE, THE SIZE AND THE MEDICINE'S SUPPOSED TO BE AT LEAST CLOSE TO THE RELATIONSHIP TO THE ORIGINAL STORE. SO I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS. I DO UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION AND IT'S AN ODD SITUATION, BUT I'M NOT, I'M GONNA STAY WITH THE STANDARDS AS WELL AS THE, UH, THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? [02:00:05] ALL RIGHT, THEN ITS TIME TO CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY NO. NO, NO. OKAY. SO THAT IS COMMISSIONER ANDERSON AND COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS. IS THAT ANYONE ELSE AT HOME THAT SAID NO OR ANYONE HERE? NO. STOP HEARING. OKAY. I'M HEARING NOTHING WHICH MEANS THAT THE, THE, THE MOTION HAS PASSED AND THEREFORE YOU, YOU ARE READY TO PROCEED WITH THE APPROPRIATE ROOF AND DO NOT GET CONFUSED ON THE ROOF THAT WE APPROVE AND STAFF WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND HELP YOU ALONG THE WAY. GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BYE-BYE. OKAY, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER ONE UP NEXT BUT WE WILL BE TAKING A VERY FAST SAY FIVE MINUTE RECESS BECAUSE WE DON'T GET TO LEAVE THE ROOM LIKE Y'ALL DO AND THERE ARE THINGS MIGHT NEED TO DO OUTSIDE THE ROOM. , I'M SO SORRY. OKAY, I THINK WE'RE READY TO RESUME OUR MEETING. MM-HMM AND NEXT UP IS DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER NINE. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, MY NAME'S ANTONIO. HANG ON. STAFF HAS TO READ FIRST. OH, I'M SORRY. OKAY. DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER NINE. THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 2241 DEATH STREET IN QUEEN CITY, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER PRE-DESIGN MORATORIUM. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 DASH FIVE 30. THE REQUEST IS FOR A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF. RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 11 19 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. I HAVE TWO THAT'S THERE, BUT ONE THAT PAIRED WINDOWS BE SEPARATED BY A MULIAN. IN OTHER WORDS, A WOOD TRIM PIECE WITH A MINIMUM WIDTH OF SIX INCHES WIDE AND FRAMED AS A UNIT WITH WOOD TRIM A MINIMUM OF FOUR INCHES WIDE THAT PAINT COLORS FOR THE BODY AND THE TRIM BE SELECTED FROM A HISTORIC PAINT COLOR COLLECTION. FOR EXAMPLE, THE SHERMAN WILLIAMS ARTS AND CRAFTS COLLECTION THREE. THAT FRONT DORMER BE SET BACK A MINIMUM OF 12 INCHES FROM ROOF EDGE FOUR. THAT DOOR HARDWARE BE CRAFTSMAN STYLE FIVE THAT WINDOWS BE ALL ALUMINUM NO CLADDING WITH FIGHT CONFIGURATION OF 1 0 1 AND SIX. THAT FOUNDATION BE A MINIMUM OF 15 INCHES ABOVE GRADE WITH A CRAWL SPACE. IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION D FIVE B FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD. ITS NOT, UM, YEAH. OKAY. SORRY. NO FORUM COMMENTS. ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS. CORRECT THE FRONT DORMER INSIDE ELEVATION DRAWINGS. NUMBER TWO, THE FREEZE BOARD SHOULD BE VISIBLE ABOVE PORCH COLLARS. NUMBER THREE, TRIM NEEDS TO BE AROUND THE PAIRED WINDOWS FRAME AS A UNIT. NUMBER FOUR, CORRECT ROOFING SHINGLE IMAGE ON MATERIAL SHEET. NUMBER FIVE, ADD PAINT COLORS TO MATERIAL KEY. NUMBER SIX, ADD MORTAR COLOR FOR PORCH COLUMNS TO THE MATERIAL KEY. NUMBER SEVEN, CHANGE DOOR HARDWARE TO CRAFTSMAN STYLE NUMBER EIGHT, CHANGE WINDOWS TO ONE OR ONE. ALRIGHT, AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER HERE TODAY, ANTONIO EVERETT. EVERETT? YES. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M ANTONIO EVERETT. UM, 504 STONE, LOUISVILLE, TEXAS 7 5 0 5 6. AND I TO TELL THE TRUTH. OKAY SIR, GO AHEAD. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US FURTHER ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. UH, NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. UM, WE MADE THESE ADDITIONAL CHANGES, UM, HAD ANOTHER COURTESY REVIEW WITH SOME ADDITIONAL CHANGES MADE THOSE AS WELL. UM, AND JUST LOOKING TO GET IT REVIEWED TO MAKE SURE ALL CHANGES ARE SUFFICIENT. OKAY. SO YOU'RE AGREEING TO ALL THE STAFF RECOMMENDED RE RECOMMENDED CHANGES LATE IN THE DAY. I CAN'T [02:05:01] TALK. ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? I WAS JUST TRYING TO VERIFY THAT ALL THE CONDITIONS WERE PICKED UP IN THE, IN THE SETS OF DRAWINGS. I'M JUST NOTICING LIKE CON THE UH, CRAFTSMEN HARDWARE LOOKS LIKE THAT'S BEEN DONE. CRAFTSMAN DOOR LOOKS LIKE WINDOWS OR UH, ALUMINUM FRAME WHITE WITH NO CO CLADDING. UM, WERE THERE ANY OTHER CONDITIONS THAT NEEDED TO BE MET THAT WEREN'T? IN OTHER WORDS, CAN WE APPROVE OR SHOULD WE LEAVE CONDITIONS THERE? I USUALLY LIKE TO LEAVE THEM THERE JUST SO THE BUILDINGS OKAY. JUST TO VERIFY. OKAY. KNOWS, SOUNDS LIKE A BARN . OKAY. AND THE ONLY OTHER ONE THAT I HAD A CONCERN ABOUT WAS THE FACT THAT THE CONCRETE DRIVEWAY ACROSS THE FRONT. SO YOU'RE SAYING THE FRONT HALL WILL BE ON THE FRONT YARD? CORRECT. OKAY. JUST TO GIVE IT SOME PARKING. 'CAUSE WE, WITH THE SETBACK AND THE WAY THAT LOT IS DESIGNED, THERE'S NO WAY TO CREATE A DRIVEWAY BACK TO THE BACK. SO WE JUST CREATED A SMALL ONE IN THE FRONT SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE PARK ON THE STREET. RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND. AND DR. DUNN, IS THERE A UM, UM, A PREDOMINANCE OF LIKE THE TIRE, UH, CONCRETE RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, PANELING THE OR UH, YEAH, RIBBON. SORRY. INSTEAD OF, UH, DOING THE ENTIRE DRIVEWAY OUTTA CONCRETE. IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE WERE TO DO LIKE FOUR STRIPS OF CONCRETE HERE AND HAVE GRASS YES. THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE A RIBBON DRIVEWAY AND ALSO HE CAN INCLUDE PART OF HIS SETBACK IN THE DRIVEWAY AS WELL. YEAH. TO HAVE. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TO HAVE SOME BASE ALL CONCRETE ACROSS THE FRONT. YEAH, YEAH. TO HAVE LIKE A PLANTING STRIP UP AGAINST THE BASE OF THE HOUSE. YEAH. SAY LIKE THREE FEET WIDE OR SO. OKAY. UM, APPLICANT, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO MAKING THOSE UH, ADJUSTMENTS TO THE DRIVEWAY? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND IF NOT ANY MOTION? MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION. GO AHEAD. I HAVE A, I HAVE A COMMENT, REAL QUICK COMMENT. THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED GRASS CREEK WHERE IT'S A, IT'S A CONCRETE PATTERN AND YOU PLANT GRASS IN THE LEFTOVER SPACES. SO IT'S, IT'S SORT OF LIKE CONCRETE WITH GRASS IN IT, LIKE IN A PATTERN. YOU HEARD OF THAT? IS THAT ALLOWED? NO. GRASS CREEK. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THAT COULD BE EXPLORED. IT COULD BE THAT WAY. YOU COULD DRIVE ON, YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HEARD THAT. UM, I THINK THE WOMEN DRIVEWAY, WELL IT THIS WAY YOU WOULD HAVE MOSTLY GRASS, OTHERWISE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MOSTLY CONCRETE UNLESS THE GRASS ALL DIES AND THEN . YEAH. AND WELL IT WAS A THOUGHT. YEAH. TYPICALLY GRASS CREEKS KIND OF USED FOR EMERGENCY SITUATIONS SO THAT WHEN A FIRE TRUCK RIDES OVER IT THEY CAN GET THROUGH SOMEWHERE WITHOUT PLOW. THERE'S NOT REALLY DAILY USE. I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO PREDOMINANTLY GRASS IN THE FRONT YARD. THE PREDOMINANTLY CONCRETE. I HAVE A MOTION, UH, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER NINE, UM, COA TWO FIVE DASH FIVE THREE, ALSO KNOWN AS 2241 DEATH STREET THAT WE UM, FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THE SIX UH, CONDITIONS AS STATED EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THEM HAVE ALREADY BEEN PICKED UP. SO THERE'S NOT QUITE SIX. OKAY. UM, BUT THAT I WILL ADD, UM, ONE MORE CONDITION THAT THE FRONT CONCRETE DRIVEWAY, UM, BE REPLACED WITH THREE UM, RIBBON STRIPS. THE CENTRAL ONE BEING FOUR FEET WIDE AND THE TWO OUTSIDE ONES BEING TWO FEET WIDE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE TWO CARS AND THAT THE CONCRETE STOP THREE FEET SHORT OF THE FACE OF THE BUILDING TO ALLOW FOR LANDSCAPING AT THE BASE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? BRAZIL C SECOND ? HE'S, HE'S INTRODUCING A NEW WAY OF SECONDING. I HAD A QUESTION WHERE THE AYE WHERE THE UM, RIBBONS ARE NOT, THERE'LL BE GRASS, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. [02:10:03] ALRIGHT. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT THEN I CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED THIS MOTION? ALRIGHT, IT APPEARS THERE'S NO OPPOSITION. SO YOU ARE READY TO GO SIR. THANK YOU. AND UM, THANK YOU FOR BUILDING NEW THERE. WE GOT A LOT OF EMPTY LOTS TO FILL IN. OKAY, AFTER D NINE WE HAVE D 11. OKAY. AND I THINK THEY'RE ONLINE. OKAY. DISCUSSION ITEM D 11. THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 3 0 4 SOUTH FLEMING AVENUE IN THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 5 32. THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT, A DUPLEX. BUT AS I SAID EARLIER, THE ACCESSORY IT SAYS HERE WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AR REAR DETACHED TWO CAR GARAGE. BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE PLANS FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. OKAY, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RE GOD BLESS YOU. A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT, A DUPLEX WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. A REAR TWO DETACHED TWO CAR GARAGE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 11 21 20 21 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT WINDOWS BE ALL ALUMINUM. IN OTHER WORDS, NO CLADDING WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION 1 0 1, THAT EXTERIOR SIDING BE ALL WOOD. HORIZONTAL LAB SIDING MILLWORK PATTERN 1 0 5, I THINK THE APPLICANT CHOSE 1 1 7. THAT FRONT DOORS BE SOLID WOOD THAT PAINT COLORS FOR THE BODY AND TRIM BE SELECTED FROM A HISTORICAL PAINT COLOR COLLECTION THAT THE FOUNDATION BE A MINIMUM OF 15 INCHES ABOVE GRADE AND BE EITHER PEER AND BEAM OR HAVE A CRAWL SPACE AND THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE OF BRUSH FINISHED. CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE POST WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION C PERTAINING TO SITE AND SITE ELEMENTS AND SECTION B UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION. NO QUORUM COMMENTS. ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS. NUMBER ONE, NO HARDY BOARD CITING SHOULD BE ONE 17 OR 1 0 5. BALD WOOD. NUMBER TWO, PACKET IS INCOMPLETE, MISSING MATERIAL SCHEDULE AND CONTEXTUAL SITE PLANNING. NUMBER THREE, PAINT COLORS SHOULD BE FROM A HISTORIC PAINT PALETTE, EEG, SHE AND WILLIAMS ARTS AND CRAFTS. COLLECTION NUMBER FOUR, WINDOWS SHOULD BE ONE OVER ONE. UPDATE WINDOWS AND DRAWINGS. NUMBER FIVE, FRONT DOORS SHOULD BE WOOD. NUMBER SIX, FOUNDATION SHOULD BE RAISED SLAB 15 TO 18 INCHES OF UPGRADE OR PEER AND BEAM WITH TWO STEPS AT THE ALRIGHT. AND WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS ON THIS ONE. AND I, I GUESS THEY MUST BE ONLINE. I'M NOT ABLE TO SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE IS ONLINE BECAUSE OF THE SCREEN SHARING. STOP SHARING. I SAW THEM EARLIER. OKAY, I SEE THEM HERE. OKAY. UM, WELCOME. BRAD, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK FIRST? AND IF SO, I NEED YOU. I, I JUST NEED YOU TO TELL ME YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND PROMISE OR SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH. MY NAME'S BRAD GAUZE. THE ADDRESS IS 3 0 4 SOUTH FLEMING AND I PROMISE STILL THE TRUTH. OKAY, GO AHEAD SIR. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO, UH, GIVE US ANY FURTHER INFORMATION ON YOUR PROJECT. UM, I'LL LET GEORGE SPEAK. HE, THIS IS HIS DESIGN. OKAY. UM, I'M NOT SEEING MR. SOSA LINE UNLESS HE IS THAT OKAY? SO PLEASE IT DOES SAY GEORGE, DOESN'T IT? ALL RIGHT. PLEASE TURN ON YOUR CAMERA, MR. SOSA. IT'S A STATE REQUIREMENT THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE YOU. ARE YOU THERE MR. SOSA? [02:15:08] IF YOU'RE TRYING TO SPEAK, WE'RE NOT HEARING, DO YOU SHOW US MUTED? YEAH, WE'VE NOT SEEN PEOPLE. OKAY. BRAD, COULD YOU POSSIBLY TEXT HIM OR SOMETHING TO SEE IF HE'S AWARE OF THIS? IF HE'S WORKING ON IT. OKAY. HE'S NOT MUTED ANYMORE. MAYBE HE'S GONNA SPEAK. HELLO? HI. UM, GEORGE SOSA? YES, THIS IS ME. OKAY. ARE YOU ABLE TO TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE? IT IS A STATE LAW THAT TO SPEAK AT A PUBLIC MEETING YOU HAVE TO BE SHOWN. YEAH, I WISH I COULD HAVE A, A WAY TO TURN THE VIDEO ON, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW , UM, I WASN'T AWARE THE VIDEO WASN'T ON. YEAH, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO IT. IT'S NOT MY RULE. IT'S THE STATES. ANYBODY HAVE AN IDEA HOW HE COULD DO THAT? IT'S THERE SOMEWHERE. WITH, IF YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE CAMERA ICON OR VIDEO ON, USUALLY DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, IT COULD BE AT THE BOTTOM OR SOMETHING THAT SAYS VIDEO SETTINGS. I HAVE, I CAN SEE MYSELF ON THE VIDEO SETTING. I REALIZE THAT THIS PROGRAM IS NOT ONE MANY OF US HAVE USED VERY OFTEN. SO MANY PEOPLE ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT. HOW'D YOU GET ON BRAD ? UM, THERE WAS A BUTTON AT THE BOTTOM OF MY SCREEN THAT SAYS VIDEO. I JUST CLICKED IT. I GUESS I CAN SPEAK WHILE GEORGIA'S FIGURING THIS. OKAY, . OKAY. UM, YEAH, WE'RE REQUESTING A COA FOR A NEW MAIN RESIDENCE IN THE 10TH STREET DISTRICT ON A VACANT LOT. IT'S A DOUBLE SHOTGUN CAMEL STYLE DUPLEX. THE PROPERTY IS ONE AND A HALF STORIES CAMELBACK ON THE REAR ALLOWS FOR EXTRA LIVING SPACE WITHOUT CHANGING THE HISTORIC DISTRICT FACE MESS. ROOF IS A MAIN FRONT GABLE WITH A CLIP OR ALSO A JERKING ROOF. THE PORCHES FOLLOW THE SHAPE OF THE MAIN ROOF WITH ADDED SHED FOR COVER. THERE ARE TWO SETS OF DORMERS THAT EACH SIDE OF THE ROOF, WHICH CREATE INTERIOR LIVING INSIDE THE ATTIC AREA. UM, AS REQUESTED PER THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, WE ADDED TO THE SET, UH, COLOR CHARACTER ELEVATION ON PAGE A 1 0 1, SHOWING THE VACANT LAND AND CLOSEST PROPERTY. WE ADDED EXTERIOR SIDING, WHICH WILL BE A HORIZONTAL WOOD LAP. SIDING ONE 17 ON PAGE A 7 0 1. ALL WINDOWS WILL, UH, BE ONE-ON-ONE ALUMINUM NO GRIDS. AND THAT'S ON A 7 0 1. THE HOUSE FOUNDATION WILL BE RAISED 15 INCHES ABOVE GRADE, AS SHOWN IN A 3 0 1 AND A 3 0 2 FRONT DOOR WILL HAVE A SOLID WOOD DOOR WITH ONE TOP LIGHT, AND THAT'S A 7 0 1. AND ALL PAINT COLORS WERE CURATED USING SHARON WILLIAMS HISTORIC PAINT COLLECTION. AND THAT'S 8 7 0 1. OKAY, THANK YOU. . THERE WAS AN ODD SOUND THAT FRIGHTENED US ALL. IT SOUNDED LIKE THE BUILDING MIGHT BE COLLAPSING. ARE YOU STILL THERE, BRAD? OKAY. YES, I'M HERE. WERE YOU FINISHED OR WAS THAT YOUR FEEDBACK THAT WE JUST HEARD? UH, THAT WAS ME. I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING. OH, OKAY. WE HEARD A, A HOR HORRIBLE DEADLY SOUND. FRIGHTENED US ALL TERRIBLY . OKAY. ANYTHING FURTHER? UH, I THINK THAT'S IT. ALRIGHT. UM, AND I DON'T THINK GEORGE HAS MADE ANY PROGRESS ON GETTING HIS CAMERA ON. UM, SO HE, HE COULD CALL YOU AND TELL YOU ANYTHING ? NO, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD SEE WHAT, WHAT QUESTIONS COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE. COMMISSIONERS COMMISSIONER RENE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, I SAW A COUPLE. SO IN THE, IN THE DESCRIPTION, I BELIEVE THAT THE CARPORT IS ACTUALLY LABELED AS A GARAGE, BUT ON THE SITE PLAN IT'S [02:20:01] LABELED AS A TWO-PART CARPORT. JUST WANTING TO CONFIRM WHICH IS CORRECT. ONE, IT'S A CARPORT. OKAY. THIS, WE DON'T HAVE THE PLANS FOR, WE DON'T HAVE THE PLANS FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. SO, UM, I WAS GOING TO SAY THIS LATER, BUT I WOULD ASK THAT, UH, WHATEVER MOTION WE END UP WITH, SPLIT IT INTO TWO SO THAT THE FIRST PART IS FOR THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND THEN FOR THE ACCESSORY, WE JUST NEED TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND THEN, UH, WE CAN TAKE THAT UP AT A LATER DATE. GOT IT. MR. , SO ON THE, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE SITE PLAN, UH, MAYBE IT'S A 100, THERE ARE TWO GREEN THINGS IN BETWEEN THE PORCHES THERE, THE GREEN ON THE PLAN. ARE THOSE, UH, AIR CONDITIONING UNITS THERE? THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE TO ME, YES. OKAY. UM, SO THOSE ARE NOT TYPICALLY ALLOWED IN FRONT YARDS, THAT IS NOT TYPICAL. THAT THAT'S CORRECT. IT USUALLY WOULD BE SIDE OR REAR. IS THERE A WAY TO RELOCATE TO THE REAR? YES, WE CAN RELOCATE IT TO THE REAR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST WANNA THANK THEM FOR LOWERING THE MASS OF THE BUILDING AS WE SUGGESTED. I THINK IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE. YES. IT, IT MAKES IT LESS, LESS TALL, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE A SILLY THING TO SAY, BUT I MEAN, IT MAKES IT LESS VISUALLY IMPOSING AS IF IT WERE GOING TO TAKE OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO NOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT SNUGGLES INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? 'CAUSE IF NOT, IT'S TIME FOR MOTION. . MOTION? ANYONE? I HAVE A MOTION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER RENO. WE'RE ON 11. CRAIG? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S 11, CORRECT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M READING THE RIGHT ONE. OKAY. UM, REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM 11, UH, CO A TWO FIVE DASH 5 32, ALSO KNOWN AS 3 0 4 SOUTH LE AVENUE THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION. AND THEY'RE, AND THEIR, LET'S SEE, MANY CONDITIONS WE'RE NOT NUMBERED FOLLOWING THEIR, THEIR CONDITIONS, UH, WITH AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT, UM, THE AIR CONDITIONING, UH, COMPRESSORS BE MOVED TO THE REAR OF THE RESIDENCE. UM, AND, UM, I WANT TO ADD A SECOND ITEM. SO WE, WE APPROVED THAT PORTION THERE. SECOND ITEM IS THAT WE MOVED THE, UM, THE DESIGN FOR THE CARPORT AND DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE FOR THAT ELEMENT DUE TO LACK OF, UH, SUFFICIENT, UM, DOCUMENTATION. SO THE APPROVAL IS JUST FOR THE MAIN STRUCTURE, CORRECT. AND A SECOND, I'LL SECOND. WELL, THEY'LL MAKE IT THROUGH US. THEY WON'T MAKE IT THROUGH, UH, UM, UH, PERMIT BECAUSE IT'LL HAVE TO, IT'LL HAVE TO BE CHANGED. UH, WELL, I'LL HAVE TO, YOU, YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BEDROOM ONES THAT A SHOWER, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT. . PARDON US WHILE PEOPLE DISCUSS AMONG THEMSELVES HERE WITH A MICROPHONE. SORRY, . I, CAN I TALK? WELL, WE HAVEN'T HAD A SECOND OR NOT YET. ALL RIGHT. I ASSUME YOU'RE DECLINING TO SECOND BECAUSE YOU ARE OPPOSED TO SOME OF THE WINDOWS. SECOND. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HARPER FOR YOUR SECOND. NOW WE CAN DISCUSS. COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? YES, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON POSSIBLY NOT SUPPORTING THIS BECAUSE OF THE SQUARE, UH, THE RECTANGLE SMALL WINDOW THAT'S ON THE LEFT SIDE ELEVATION. UNLESS WE COULD CONSIDER, UH, A, UH, AN [02:25:01] OPTION TO HAVE THAT CHANGED OR AT LEAST SOME DISCUSSION ON WHY YOU THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD. OKAY. ARE YOU MEANING THOSE TWO SLIT WINDOWS THAT IS, THERE APPEAR TO BE ONE ON EITHER SIDE, SO THEY'RE ON BOTH SIDE ELEVATIONS SINCE IT'S A DUPLEX, BUT THOSE LONG HORIZONTAL SLIP, I MEAN, TO ME, THOSE ARE FURTHER BACK IN THE SITE. UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I, I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD, WELL, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO HOUSE YET TO BE, I GUESS THE NORTH YET, BUT EVENTUALLY, HOPEFULLY SOMETHING WILL BE BUILT THERE AND IT WOULD COVER THAT. YEAH, THEY'RE IN THE REAR 50%. OKAY. I, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR THAT, THAT YOU CAN'T EXIT OUT OF THEM, BUT, UH, PERMITTING, WE'LL, WE'LL PICK THAT UP, BUT THE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION ARE IN A, THAT TWO STORY VOLUME, SO THEY'RE NOT ACCESSIBLE ANYWAY. RIGHT. IT WAS THE ONES OUT OF THE BEDROOM, I THINK, IF I'M REMEMBERING THE RIGHT ONE, LET ME DOUBLE. OKAY. ANY FURTHER CON DISCUSSION? IF NOT, IT'S TIME TO CALL FOR A VOTE. ALLS IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED, PLEASE SAY NO. OKAY. IT APPEARS THAT THE MOTION HAS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. SO YOU, YOU HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR THE HOUSE, YOU HAVE TO COME BACK WITH PLANS FOR THE GARAGE REPORT THAT WILL SHOW US WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE SO THAT WE CAN VOTE ON THAT ONE. AND, UH, GOOD LUCK, BUT WE'LL SEE YOU BACK. GREAT, THANK YOU. OKAY, THAT FINISHED OFF THE 11, SO D 14 IS OUR NEXT ONE. CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF. DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 14 1 0 3 NORTH EDGEFIELD AVENUE, WINKA HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT COA 25 0 4 8 6. REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL DORMER, EXCUSE ME, TO INSTALL DORMER ON MAIN STRUCTURE. REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE. WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. OKAY, A CERTIFICATE REQUEST NUMBER TWO, YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL SKYLIGHTS ON MAIN STRUCTURE. REQUEST NUMBER THREE, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE VENTS WITH WINDOWS ON MAIN STRUCTURE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL DORMER ON MAIN STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE IS THE FINDING OF FACT THAT ALTHOUGH THE DORMER MAY BE THAT ALTHOUGH THE DORMER MAY BE OB OBSCURED FROM THE VIEW FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY BY TREES, THE MASSING IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE MAIN STRUCTURE. THE PROPOSED WORK IS THEREFORE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA IN SECTION 51 P DASH 87 1 11 82. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION STAFF. RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL SKYLIGHTS BE APPROVED AND ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS STATED 12 1 20 25. THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA IN SECTION 51 P DASH 97 1 11 A 14 E. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION STAFF. RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE VENTS WITH WINDOWS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 12 1 20 25. THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA IN SECTION 51 P DASH 97 1 11 A 17. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4, 5 0 1 G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO NOTE THAT THE DENY DENIAL FOR NUMBER ITEM NUMBER ONE IS BASED OFF OF THE ORIGINAL PLANS. WHAT YOU WERE ABOUT TO SEE IS A REVISION AND THAT'S THE REVISION THAT WE HAVE TO PRINT OUT ON, CORRECT? YES. SO THEN TASK FORCE, UM, TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, I MEAN, ONE, THERE'S ONLY TWO LISTED HERE AND FREE OUT. YES, BECAUSE EVENTS AND WINDOW, UH, THE DORM AND SKYLIGHTS THEY DID. I THEY'RE BOTH UNDER. OKAY, GOOD. YES. NUMBER ONE, IF THE REQUEST TO INSTALL DORMER AND SKYLIGHTS BE APPROVED, RECOMMEND INCLUDING A SIDE BY SIDE DRAWING OF THE EXISTING PROPOSED ELEVATIONS. NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR REPLACE VENTS WITH WINDOWS, REPLACE VENTS WITH WINDOWS BE APPROVED, RECOMMEND INCLUDING A SIDE BY SIDE BEHIND THE EXISTING PROPOSED, [02:30:03] OH, WE HAVE APPLICANT HERE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND FOR SPEAKERS, I HAVE TWO. ONE IS FRED PENO, WE ALL KNOW WHO'S STANDING RIGHT THERE. . SO ARE YOU GOING FIRST OR IS UM, OR ON PAGE THAT NOT I BELIEVE HER ON, HE IS NOT SPEAKING. SHE'S THE HOMEOWNER. OKAY. SHE, UH, SHE'S AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. SHE'S AVAILABLE. OKAY. SO YOU BEGIN, YOU KNOW THE DRILL NAME, ADDRESS, PLEASE. MY NAME IS FRED PENA. I'M THE ARCHITECT ON THIS PROJECT. MY OFFICE IS AT 1218 WEST DAVIS STREET, UM, DALLAS, 7 5 2 0 8. AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. OKAY. GO AHEAD AND INFORM US FURTHER ABOUT THIS PROJECT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, OUR CONCERNS. SO THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF THE HOMEOWNERS, UH, WANTING TO ACTIVATE THE ATTIC SPACE. IT'S A FAIRLY SPACIOUS ATTIC. UM, AND ONCE YOU KIND OF START OVERLAYING ALL OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, UH, THE VARIOUS CODES, CONSTRUCTABILITY, UM, THE USABLE SPACE, UH, WITH THE DESIRE TO ADD A A HALF BATH OF STAIRS GETS REDUCED TO SUCH THAT IN ORDER TO HAVE A PROPER ROOM, WE HAVE TO ADD A DORMER, UM, TO KIND OF EXPAND THE SPACE AND EXPLORING THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND DORMER SHAPES. UH, YOU KNOW, FIRST IS WHAT'S ALREADY ON THE HOUSE AND IT HAS LITTLE GABLE DORMERS. HONESTLY, A SHED ROOF DORMER WOULD GET US THE MOST USABLE SPACE, BUT THAT LANGUAGE IS NOT ON THE HOUSE. SO I DIDN'T PURSUE THAT. I DIDN'T EVEN PRESENT IT TO THE HOMEOWNERS. SO I, I STUCK WITH A GABLE. AND, UH, UM, THE LOCATION OF IT IS DETERMINED, UH, KIND OF WHERE THE MOST CLEAR AREA IN THE ATTIC IS. PLUS, UH, THE WINDOWS ALIGN WITH THE DINING ROOM WINDOWS BELOW. SO I JUST KIND OF CARRIED THAT BAY OF WINDOWS, UH, STRAIGHT UP AND LET THAT KIND OF DEFINE THE WIDTH OF THE DILEMMA. UM, THE HEIGHT AT THE VERY RIDGE IN THE HIGHEST PART, ONCE WE FACTOR IN THE STRUCTURE, UM, THE PEAK IS EIGHT FEET AND IT GOES DOWN TO ABOUT FIVE FOOT FIVE ON THE OUTER EDGES. SO CLEAR AREA THAT IS HABITABLE ABOVE SIX FOOT EIGHT, WHICH IS THE CODE REQUIREMENT IS ABOUT, UH, SIX FOOT FIVE WIDE INSIDE. AND THEN THE WINDOWS, THEY HAVE TO MEET EGRESS REQUIREMENTS. SO THERE'S A CERTAIN SIZE ON THEM AND PIPE RESTRICTIONS OF ABOVE THE FLOOR. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE NITTY GRITTY OF, OF THE, OF THE DORMER. AND, AND HOW, UH, THIS PARTICULAR SHAPE IS ESTABLISHED, THE TWO EXISTING DORMERS, UM, THEY ALLOW A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT. THEY ARE NOT BY ANY MEANS USABLE. THE, THE SILL OF THE WINDOWS IN BOTH DORMERS. THE, THE STREET FACING DORMERS IS ACTUALLY BELOW THE FINISHED FLOOR LEVEL. SO THERE'S A LITTLE STEP DOWN AND THERE'S ABOUT 30 INCHES OF HEIGHT. UM, THAT WILL BE KIND OF A LITTLE PAVE AT THE END JUST TO LET SOME LIGHTEN THROUGH THERE, BUT IT WON'T BE ENOUGH EVEN FOR LIKE A READING MUG OR ANYTHING. THAT IS YOUR TIME, SIR. OKAY. DID YOU HAVE MORE YOU NEEDED TO TELL US? NO. ALL RIGHT, THEN WE PROBABLY HAVE QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS. UM, JUST CHECKING THE FRONT OR THE STREET FACING ELEVATION OF THE DORMER THAT'S BEHIND THE, THE 50% DEPTH OF THE HOME OVERALL, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S PRETTY CLOSE UP. IT'S NOT THE, THE STREET FACING, UM, DORMER, UH, IS EXISTING. WE'RE NOT, NO, NO, I APOLOGIZE. SO THE NEW DORMER THAT YOU'VE ADDED MM-HMM. THE STREET FACING FACADE MM-HMM. OF THAT DORMER, IS THAT BEHIND 50% OF THE NO, IT STRADDLES THE 50%. OKAY. AND, AND I KNOW THAT'S ONE OF THE CRITERIA. I BROUGHT IT UP, UH, UH, DURING THE TASK FORCE, UM, BUT I CAN'T PUSH IT FURTHER BACK BECAUSE OF THE HIP ROOT THAT STICKS OUT. IT WOULD JUST KIND OF CREATE ALL SORTS OF CONDITIONS. AND ALSO THE, THE AIR CONDITIONING EQUIPMENT IN THE ATTIC IS THERE. SO, SO WE CAN'T REALLY PUSH IT FURTHER BACK. RIGHT? [02:35:01] NO, I, I FEEL LIKE ALL THE MOVE MOVES YOU'VE MADE TO CENTER IT OVER THE WINDOWS DOWN BELOW, I, I COULDN'T HAVE FOUND A BETTER PLACE FOR IT. THANK YOU. COMMENT. I KNOW IT'S A LOT MORE CONSTRUCTION, BUT IF YOU THOUGHT OF GING OUT THE BACK INSTEAD OF THE, THE HIP, THAT WOULD GIVE YOU A LOT OF ROOM UPSTAIRS. THERE WAS A, UM, AN ADDITION TO THE HOUSE PREVIOUSLY WHERE, WHERE THE ROOF IS, THE, THE ORIGINAL ROOF IS THERE, AND THEN THERE'S LIKE ROOF OH, CONNECTS INTO IT OF THE BOTTOM. OKAY, I SEE. SO IN THE REAR THERE'S, THERE'S A FRAMING MASS AND THE AIR CONDITIONING, THE, THE, THE EQUIPMENT IS THERE AS, AS WELL AS A BUNCH OF DUCT WORK. YEAH, I SEE THAT ADDITION KIND OF CONNECTING INTO THE, OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR A MOTION? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO ON ITEM ONE, YOU WERE SAYING THAT, UM, ITEM ONE WAS PER THE INITIAL ONES THAT ARE IN THE DOCKET, THE PLANS ARE IN THE DOCKET FOR THE LARGER DORMER. OKAY. SO I WAS WONDERING AT THIS POINT, I MEAN THESE ARE THE REVISIONS, BUT IF APPLICANT I WOULD LIKE TO NO, I THINK STAFF WOULD, WOULD SUPPORT IT. UM, THE REVISIONS, YES, I REVISED, I'M TALKING ABOUT, YEAH. SO IS THAT WHAT WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT THE REVISED OR DO THE COMMISSIONERS, CAN THEY MOTION ON THE ORIGINAL, THE APPROPRIATE? SO AGAIN, YOU COULD MENTION SOMETHING AS TO, UM, IF, IF YOU WANTED TO CHANGE WHAT, WHAT SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED IN THE PAPER. YOU CAN REFER TO DRAWINGS DATED, UM, 11 20 11, 28, 25, UM, AS THE REVISION. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION REGARDING, UM, DISCUSSION ITEM 14, UM, COA TWO FIVE DASH 4 86, ALSO KNOWN AS 1 0 3 NORTH EDGEFIELD AVENUE THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON TWO AND THREE AND APPROVE AND ON STAFF RECOMMENDATION ONE THAT WE APPROVE, UM, FOLLOWING, UH, DRAWINGS DATED 11 28 25, THAT ALLEVIATES THE, UM, UM, THE CONDITION THAT STOPPED HAD REGARDING DENIAL. DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THIS SECOND. I NEED A RECORDING OF THAT, NOT A PUSH BUTTON. AND A SECOND. ALL. ALRIGHT, ANY UM, FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT THEN I'M ALL FOR VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? NO. OKAY. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON IS IN OPPOSITION. WAS ANYBODY ON SCREEN AT HOME IN OPPOSITION? AND I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY HERE WAS EITHER. SO THE MOTION IS STILL CARRIED YOU VERY MUCH . ALL RIGHTY. THAT WHAT? . OH, . IT'S A LITTLE LATE FOR YOU TO HAVE AN MOTION. . MOST OF IT'S . OKAY, GO AHEAD. WELL, I HAVE A MOTION THAT WE REORDER THE AGENDA IN LIGHT THAT WE HAVE AN APPLICANT, UH, PRESENT. I'D LIKE TO MOVE D 12 NEXT AND THEN CONTINUE WITH C FIVE AND THE CONTINUING ORDER THAT WE HAD ESTABLISHED EARLIER. OKAY. I GUESS ANYBODY SECOND THAT? SO, ER THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HARPER FOR SECONDING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? I THINK WE HAVE, ARE THOSE FOR C FIVE 12 D C5? NO. ARE YOU 10 18? I THINK HE'S, WE HAVE SOMEONE FOR C FIVE C. OKAY. WELL, C FIVE IS AFTER, WOULD BE NEXT AFTER D 12. OKAY. OKAY, THEN WE'RE DOING D 12 THEN C FIVE, RIGHT? RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. D 12. ALRIGHT, DISCUSSION ITEM D 12. THIS IS DR. RONDA DUNN PRESENTING [02:40:01] ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF. UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 37 19 MEADOW STREET IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 5 31. THE REQUEST ARE AS FOLLOWS, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RESTORE MAIN BUILDING AND FENESTRATION DIMENSIONS, ROOF FORM AND FOOTPRINT. IN OTHER WORDS, SHAPE, UH, THE RE THE SECOND REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL WINDOWS 13 TOTAL PRIOR TO UNAUTHORIZED WORK. THE THIRD REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RESTORE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO TWO CAR CARPORT. STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS, THAT THE REQUEST TO RESTORE MAIN BUILDING AND FENESTRATION DIMENSIONS, ROOF FORM AND FOOTPRINT, IN OTHER WORDS SHAPE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 11 13 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT EXISTING FRONT FACADE NOT BE ALTERED, ONLY REPAIRED THAT MISSING AND REMOVED AND OR REMOVED WOOD TRIM AND WOOD DETAILS, FOR EXAMPLE, BRACKETS BE REPLACED WITH IN KIND MATERIALS MATCHING IN DIMENSIONS COMPOSITION AND PROFILE THAT REPLACEMENT SIDING THE ALL WOOD HORIZONTAL LAB SIDING MILLWORK PATTERN NUMBER 1 1 7. IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTION 4.2 UNDER FACADES AND SECTION 5.7 GENERALLY PERTAINING TO WINDOWS AND DOORS. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODES SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING, CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST TO REPLACE ALL WINDOWS 13 TOTAL PRIOR TO UNAUTHORIZED WORK BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 11 13 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, THAT NEW WINDOW OPENINGS BE IN THE SAME LOCATION AND OF THE SAME DIMENSIONS AS THE PRIOR OPENINGS, THE EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS THAT THAT EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS NOT BE RESIZED AND THAT REPLACEMENT WINDOWS BE ALL WOOD. NO CLADDING WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION OF ONE OVER ONE. IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA. SECTIONS 5.1, 5.3 AND 5.7 UNDER WINDOWS AND DOORS. THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. THE THIRD RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST TO RESTORE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO TWO CAR CARPORT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 11 13 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION, THAT FOUNDATION OF THE STRUCTURE BE REPAIRED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PROVIDED STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS REPORT. IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH FOUR, THAT 5 0 1 SUBSECTION G SIX C ROMAN AT ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, UH, NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH FOLLOWING COMMENTS. NUMBER ONE, REMOVE VARIATION. NUMBER TWO, RESTORE TO ORIGINAL CONDITION OF MAIN STRUCTURE. NUMBER THREE, REPAIR. DO NOT ALTER THE FRONT FACADE. NUMBER FOUR, DRAWINGS APPEAR. THE OFF SCALE NEED TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL ACTUAL HOUSE. ALRIGHT THEN, WELCOME BACK MR. JARRAH. UM, ONCE AGAIN WE MUST HAVE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE OF TELL ME THE TRUTH. OKAY. MY NAME IS KEVIN JARA. MY ADDRESS IS 2351 WEST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 0. AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. OKAY. WHAT FURTHER INFORMATION DO YOU HAVE FOR US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? SO TODAY I COME BACK WITH THE UPDATED PLANS. UH, LAST TIME WE CAME THE THE PLANS WEREN'T THE UPTODATE PLANS AND THERE WERE STILL A FEW REVISIONS THAT WE HAD TO MAKE THAT WERE REQUESTED AND SOME OF THOSE BEING THE, THE ROOF BRACKETS ALIGNING THE FRONT WINDOW AND FRONT DOOR IN BETWEEN THE PORCH COLUMNS TO BE EXACTLY LIKE IT WAS ORIGINALLY. AND THEN THE ROOF DESIGN, THE ROOF DESIGN HAS BEEN REDESIGNED TO MATCH THE EXISTING ORIGINAL ROOF. [02:45:01] BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CHANGES THAT WERE MADE. I'M HOPING TO HEAR FEEDBACK TODAY TO SEE, UM, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO DO TO GET AN APPROVAL. ALRIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE FRONT DOOR. IS THAT DOOR AS SHOWN ON THE ELEVATION OR IS THERE A DETAIL OF THAT? IS THAT THE DOOR? YES, THAT'S THE DOOR THAT'S SHOWN. YEAH. UH, GENERALLY SHOULDN'T THE DOOR HAVE A, A WINDOW IN IT, LIKE MAYBE A CRAFTSMAN OR DESIGN OR SOMETHING? LET ME CHECK. I HAVE A, WE HAVE A MATERIAL SCHEDULE, BUT IT MIGHT NOT MATCH. SOMETIMES THERE'S A DETAIL. DID THE, OR WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE DOOR THAT WAS ON THERE BEFORE CHANGES WERE MADE. IS THAT THE DOOR THAT'S ON THERE TODAY? THE, THE ONLY PICTURE I SAW OF THE DOOR SEEMED TO HAVE A STORM DOOR IN FRONT IF THE DOOR'S EXISTING. I DON'T THAT, THAT'S FINE. I DID, I GUESS I DIDN'T REALIZE THE DOOR MIGHT'VE BEEN EXISTING. YEAH, THE, THE FRONT, THE FRONT ADE IS, IT HASN'T BEEN MESSED WITH AND IT, IT WON'T BE ALTERED. IT'LL JUST BE REPLACED. OKAY, SO THAT'S THE DOOR THAT WAS EXISTING? YEAH. OKAY, THANK YOU. THOSE ALL FRONT WINDOWS AND THE DOOR ARE EXISTING TODAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION, UM, REGARDING, UH, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 12, COA 25 DASH 5 31, UM, ALSO KNOWN AS 37 19 MEADOW STREET THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND CONDITIONS ON ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE. SECOND COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, THEN CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? PLEASE SAY NO. OKAY. IT APPEARS THE MOTION HAS, UM, PASSED. SO YOU'VE MADE IT, YOU READY TO GO, UM, CAREFULLY FOLLOWING ALL THE CONDITIONS AND EVERYTHING IN THAT WE HAVE TOLD YOU. AND OF COURSE, STAFF WILL ALWAYS BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU'RE NOT SURE WHETHER YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE CONDITIONS OR NOT, THEY WILL HELP YOU WITH THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT, SO NEXT IS C FIVE, CORRECT? MM-HMM . OKAY. CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 5 10 18 NORTH BECKLEY AVE. LAKE CLIFF, HISTORIC DISTRICT REQUEST NUMBER ONE, OH, EXCUSE ME, COA 25 0 0 3 7 7 0 0 0 3 7 7. REQUEST ONE. A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE TREE TWO TREES IN FRONT YARD AND REPLACE WITH TWO CRATE MYRTLES IN NEW LOCATIONS. QUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE 14 WINDOWS ON MAIN STRUCTURE. AND REQUEST NUMBER THREE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE ENCLOSED FRONT PORCH AND RESTORE TO OPEN PORCH. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE TWO TREES IN FRONT YARD AND REPLACE WITH TWO CRATE MYRTLES AND NEW LOCATIONS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS STATED 12 1 20 25. THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH THE RESERVATION CRITERIA IN SECTION 51 P DASH 97 1 11 C ONE B, THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTINGS. STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE 14 WINDOWS ON MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED TO 12 1 20 25 WITH THE CONDITION THAT EVIDENCE INDICATES THAT WINDOWS ARE BEYOND REPAIR OR INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE STRUCTURE AND THAT THE REPLACEMENT [02:50:01] WINDOWS MATCH THE STYLE DIMENSIONS AND MATERIALS OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS. IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA IN SECTION 51 P DASH 97 1 11 C ONE B, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION STAFF. RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE ENCLOSED PORT FRONT PORCH AND RESTORE TO OPEN PORCH BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND PLANS DATED 12 1 20 25 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE COLUMNS ARE APPROPRIATE TO THE STRUCTURE AND HISTORIC DISTRICT IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS CONDITION WILL ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN AT TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR RE REHABILITATION. AND YOU, I JUST WANT COMMISSIONERS TO NOTE YOU HAVE THE REVISED, THE MOST RECENT PLANS THAT INCLUDE THE COLUMNS ON THERE, WHICH WOULD APPLY FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE. UH, TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO REMOVE TWO TREES IN FRONT YARD AND REPLACE TWO CREPE MYRTLES IN NEW LOCATIONS BE APPROVED. AND NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST REPLACE FRONT WINDOW BE APPROVED WITH FOLLOWING CONDITIONS INCLUDE WINDOW ELEVATIONS AND TWO WINDOW REPLACEMENT MUST BE AWARD. ALRIGHT, AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER FOR THIS. MR. WOMBA, I THINK YOU'VE BEEN HERE A WHILE, SO YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO STATE YOUR NAME, CORRECT YOU MY PRONUNCIATION IF NECESSARY, AND YOUR ADDRESS AND TELL US IF YOU'RE GONNA TELL THE TRUTH. MY NAME IS MADEA , UH, ADDRESS 10 18 NORTH BECKLEY AVENUE. I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. OKAY, GO AHEAD. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. DO YOU ADD ANY INFORMATION YOU MIGHT HAVE? UM, I'M, I, SO I SHOWED UP HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. UM, THE HOMEOWNERS AND MY, UH, MY BROTHER AND, UH, HE SAID HE'D BE ON A BIG VIDEO CONFERENCE. UH, CAN YOU, UH, THE ON ON? I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ON, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T SEE HIM, BUT HE DID. OKAY. NOW IT'S, OH, THERE HE IS. HE'S RAISING HIS HAND. HE NEEDS TO BE PUT IT AS A PANEL, BUT LET ME, OH, OKAY. UM, SO MS. MAMBA, WE NEED YOU TO TURN ON YOUR CAMERA. IT'S A STATE LAW. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE CAMERA ON. YEAH. CAN YOU SEE ME? YES. NOW WE HAVE YOU. SO WE NEED YOU TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. UH, YES. UH, MY NAME'S LAUREN WABA. UM, MY ADDRESS IS 10 18 NORTH LEY AVENUE. I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. OKAY. WHAT DID YOU WANT TO, UM, IN ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU WANNA GIVE US ABOUT YOUR PROPOSED PROJECT? AND WE HAVE RECEIVED THE, UM, NEW, THE NEW DRAWINGS THAT CAME US. UH, YES, JUST THAT THE, THE GOAL OF, UM, THE PROJECT IS TO CONVERT THIS PROPERTY INTO, UM, UH, A DUPLEX IN WHICH I WILL LIVE. UM, AND, UM, ALL OF THE WORK THAT WE ARE HERE HAS, UH, ALREADY BEEN VETTED, UM, BY THE ZONING DISTRICT. AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO USE ALL HISTORIC MATERIALS FOR WINDOWS ZONE REPLACEMENT AND ENSURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT IS PROPOSED TODAY IS, UM, IS UPHELD DURING CONSTRUCTION. SHOULD WE BE APPROVED. ALL RIGHT. SO WE MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. COMMISSIONER QUESTION. UM, COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS'S LIGHT IS ON, BUT HE IS NOT PRESENT. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? I STARTED TO CALL ON HIM, BUT ONLY HIS JACKET IS AVAILABLE. UM, I HAVE A COMMISSIONER, RENE? YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS REGARDING THE NEW COLUMNS THAT ARE, UH, BEING PROPOSED FOR THE PORCH. UM, USUALLY THERE'S GHOSTING, LIKE WHERE, UM, A CONCRETE COLUMN MIGHT HAVE BEEN OR YOU'RE PROPOSING A I THINK IT'S A, A BRICK BASE, CORRECT? YEAH. UM, AND IT'S TAPERED AT THE TOP. SO FROM WHAT I COULD TELL FROM THE PHOTOGRAPHS, THE FOUNDATION ACTUALLY LINES UP WITH THE, WITH THE FREEZE BOARD, MEANING THAT THE COLUMN DIDN'T HAVE A TAPER ON IT, CHANCES ARE IT WAS STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN BECAUSE THE FOUNDATION WOULD'VE IN THAT CONDITION, THE FOUNDATION SITS OUT FARTHER THAN THE, THAN THE, UM, THAN THE FASCIA BOARD ON THE, UH, ON THE PORCH ITSELF. UM, BUT LIKE I SAID WAS, COULD YOU SEE ANY EVIDENCE OF THE SHAPE OF A COLUMN THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE? I, I DIDN'T NOTICE IT. YEAH. AND THEN I ALSO NOTICED THERE'S A CRACK IN THAT FRONT PORCH. IT LOOKS LIKE IT DROPS DOWN AND THEN YES. AND IT COMES BACK UP RIGHT ABOUT WHERE THE DOORWAY IS. UM, WAS [02:55:01] THAT GONNA BE REPAIRED? UH, I MEAN, I KNOW WHEN, WHEN YOU DO ALL THIS MASONRY AND UH, STUFF ON THE TOP OF IT, IT'S UH, IT'S GONNA OVERPOWER THAT THE FOUNDATION THAT IT'S SITTING ON, EVEN THOUGH IT'S CRACKED, I MEAN ESPECIALLY THE BIT IT'S CRACKED ALREADY. YES, YES, YES. FOR, UM, FOR THE CERTIFICATION OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, WE'RE FILING FOR SOME OF THE EXTERIOR WORK. RIGHT. BUT, UH, OUR APPLICATION WITH, UH, THE BUILD, UH, WITH THE ZONING DISTRICT INCLUDES A COMPLETE RENOVATION OF THIS STRUCTURE KEEPING, UH, ALL EXISTING WALL, UM, AND ENHANCING SOME, UM, AS IS, BUT IT ENCOMPASSES FIXING EVERYTHING ON THE HOUSE, ESSENTIALLY MAKING IT BRAND NEW, INCLUDING THE, UM, THE FOUNDATION OF THE FRONT PORCH AND THE SIDE, UM, FRONT AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UH, THE WINDOWS THAT I SEE ARE MULTIPLE LIGHT, BUT THEY'RE NOT UP AND LOWERCASE SASHES, IS THAT CORRECT OR CORRECT? UH, CORRECT. LET ME PULL THE PICTURES, PULL THE ACTUAL SPECS FOR THE WINDOW. SO THE WINDOWS ARE LIKE 16 LIGHTS OR 20 LIGHT WINDOWS WITH NO, USUALLY THEY'RE HAVE TWO SASHES. MAYBE IT'S JUST A DRAWING. I DON'T KNOW. YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE FRONT POINT. CORRECT. GO BACK TO THE ONES RIGHT BEFORE THAT. RIGHT BEFORE THIS SAYS. YEAH. SO THOSE APPEAR TO BE THREE OVER THREE DOUBLE HUNG . YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA OPEN UP. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. STOP SHARING. UH, THE BUTTON IS HIDING. . WELL, WELL, WE'RE APPROVING A DESIGN. SO ON THE MATERIAL SCHEDULE IT SAYS ALL WINDOWS WILL BE ONE OVER ONE WOOD, BUT IN THE DRAWING WE WOULD BE APPROVING LIKE A 20 LIGHT WINDOW. THAT'S ONLY THE ONE IN THE FRONT. WELL, THE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE ARE ALSO OKAY. EVIDENTLY ALL THE WINDOWS IN THE ELEVATIONS ARE WRONG. IF NOT, THEN WE'RE APPROVING MOVING 16 AND 20 LIGHT WINDOWS WITH NO, NO UPPER AND LOWER STASH. SO, I MEAN, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T SIGN APPROVAL TO THIS DRAWING IF IT'S NOT RIGHT. NO, THE DRAWING IS RIGHT. THOSE WINDOWS ARE GETTING, UH, LIKE RECONFIGURED IN, IN, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY. SO WHAT'S HAPPENING IS BECAUSE WE'RE CONVERTING THIS TO A DUPLEX, UM, THE POS THE POSITION OF SOMEONE, THOSE WINDOWS WILL NOT BE THE SAME. THE SIZES ALSO WILL NOT BE THE SAME. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO, UH, RECONSTRUCT THE SAME AMOUNT OF WINDOWS SHOWN IN THE DRAWING, UH, USING HISTORIC MATERIAL. AND THE, UM, THE NUMBER OF PANELS THAT YOU SEE ON WINDOWS MATCHES, UH, THE FRONT WINDOWS, WHICH WILL NOT BE REPLACED GIVEN THEIR QUALITY. WELL, MY CONCERN IS THE WINDOWS IN THE ELEVATIONS ARE ALL WRONG. IS THAT CORRECT? NO, WHAT HE'S SAYING IS HE WANTS TO REPLACE ALL THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND HAVE NEW WINDOWS BUILT TO MATCH THOSE FRONT WINDOWS AND REPLACE ALL. SO BASICALLY ALL OF THEM WHERE THERE'S WINDOW NOW ALL AROUND THE HOUSE WILL LOOK LIKE THE FRONT WINDOWS. SO EVERYWHERE THERE'S A ONE OVER ONE OR A THREE OVER ONE OR THREE OVER THREE, HE WANTS TO REPLACE THEM WITH THE NEWLY BUILT. SO WHAT IS THAT NINE OVER WHATEVER, NINE OVER SIX OR NINE. OKAY. BUT I'M GETTING BACK TO THE WINDOWS. AND THE ELEVATIONS ARE WRONG. THEY'RE NOT DRAWN ACCURATELY. THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING. THE, THE, THE DRAWING, THE ELEVATION DRAWING DOES NOT SHOW IT ACCURATELY. I MEAN, IF WE APPROVE THAT ELEVATION BUILDING INSPECTION WILL SAY, WHY ARE THE WINDOWS NOT LIKE IN THE DRAWING? SO WE GOTTA BE VERY CAREFUL THAT WE DO NOT APPROVE THE WRONG DRAWING. WELL, WE HAVE TO ALSO STATE THAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE, WHAT ARE THEY AGAIN? NINE OVER SIX. THAT ONE YOU JUST SHOWED WAS 12. [03:00:01] YEAH. SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE CALLED. . GO BACK TO THE FRONT WINDOW AGAIN, PLEASE. I'M GETTING VERY CONFUSED. THE ORIGINAL OR THE, THE DRAWING. WHATEVER THEY WANNA BUILD, I WANNA SEE WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BUILD AND NOT WHAT THEY DON'T. OKAY. THIS IS, THIS IS THE FRONT. OKAY. THE WINDOWS TO THE LEFT IS WHAT THEY WANNA BUILD. IS THAT CORRECT, LAUREN? THE YES. THIS, THIS WINDOW HERE IS WHAT YOU WANNA MATCH UNDERNEATH FOR ONE ON THE FRONT. THE ONE OVER ONE THAT'S UNDERNEATH THE PATIO OR THE CLOSED. OKAY. THAT LOOKS LIKE A 12 OVER EIGHT. 12 OVER EIGHT SASH WINDOW. YES. IS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO REPLICATE EVERYWHERE UNDERNEATH THE PORCH. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. SORRY, I BEL LIKE THE WINDOWS THAT I'M LOOKING TO BUILD ARE THE ONES THAT ARE INSIDE OF THE DRAWINGS, UM, BASED ON THE SIZES THAT ARE INSIDE OF THE DRAWINGS. BUT I ASKED THE ARCHITECT TO ENSURE THAT THOSE WINDOWS WILL BE CONFORMED TO YOU GUYS' STANDARDS BASED ON THE LOCATION OF THE HOUSE AND ITS CURRENT STANDING, LIKE HOW THE WINDOWS ARE BASED OF NOW. SO LIKE THE VERSION THAT WE HAVE INSIDE OF THE DRAWING IS WHAT OUR CONTRACTORS HAVE IS WHAT WE'RE AGREEING UPON. BUT I WAS UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT WAS CONFORMED TO REGULATIONS. OKAY. THIS IS WHAT HE WANTS THEN ON THE DRAWINGS, THE NINE OVER SIX IN THE REAR IS WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE. HE'S GONNA HAVE SOMEONE BUILD THEM, SO THEY WILL SORT OF MIMIC THE FRONT ONES. CHRISTINA, I THINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA NEED IS AN ACTUAL THE SIZES OF THEM. YES. I I SPEC SHEET OF A, A VERY DETAILED WINDOW DRAWING, NOT THE ELEVATIONS. YES. AND I THINK THEN IF, IF THAT WOULD WORK FOR Y'ALL TO BE ABLE TO CONDITION IT TO THAT, THAT WE COULD CHECK, WE COULD CHECK THE, THE, THE DETAILED DRAWINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY FIT THE CORRECT CONFIGURATION. WELL AS LONG AS WHEN WE GET DONE AND BUILDING INSPECTION KNOWS WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO WE'RE GONNA DO NINE OVER SIX WINDOWS EVERYWHERE. NO, ONLY IN THE BACK. THE FRONT IS THAT, UH, THE, THE FRONT IS 12 OVER EIGHT. YES. BECAUSE IT'S WIDER. OKAY. YES. AND THE LAST QUESTION IS, THESE ARE ALL MULIAN EXPRESSED ON THE OUTSIDE, NOT BETWEEN THE GLASS OR LITTLE PIECE OF THE TAPE ON THE INSIDE? EXCUSE ME. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. UH, ARE THEY ALL WOOD? FIRST OF ALL? AND WILL THE MOENS BE LOOK LIKE IT'S DIVIDED, ACTUAL DIVIDED GLASS? NOT, NOT, NOT BETWEEN THE GLASS OR TAPE ON THE INSIDE. THESE ARE VERY EXPENSIVE WINDOWS. YES. I, I THINK THAT REPLACING THOSE WINDOWS IS COSTING ME AROUND $24,000. BUT THE GOAL LIKE, WELL I'M SHOWING HERE THE MATERIAL THAT IS ARE ON THE ELEVATIONS ARE WHAT WE'RE, UH, PLANNING ON DOING. SO THE WOOD DOORS MADE OUT OF PINE, UM, THE DOUBLE WINDOWS, THE DOUBLE GLASS, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS CALLED. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING. OKAY. IF THEY'RE THE, THE TWO LAYERS OF GLASS, IS IT TWO LAYERS OF GLASS? AND THE THING THAT MAKES IT LIKE A GRID IS BETWEEN THE TWO LAYERS OF GLASS? CORRECT. BECAUSE WE'RE HOPING IT'S NOT THAT. OKAY. AND I HAVE AN EMERGENCY PULSE. SO PLEASE TAKE OVER. I'M SORRY. I'M NOT, UM, I'M REALLY NOT SO VERY FAMILIAR WITH CONSTRUCTION, BUT I DID READ ALL OF THE CITY'S DOCUMENTS AND UNDERSTOOD THE SPECS OF THOSE WINDOWS AND ALIGNED WITH THE ARCHITECT AND THE CON CONSTRUCTION TO BUILD THE WINDOWS ACCORDING TO WHAT ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS OUT OF THE, UM, OUR SPECIFIC, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT SETS OUT TO DO. SO I MAY NOT KNOW THE TECHNICAL TERMS, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WHAT WE HAVE REQUESTED TO BUILD IN OUR SHOWING HERE IS WHAT ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS INSIDE OF THE DALLAS, UH, NOW PORTAL FOR OUR ZONE AND FOR HISTORICAL DISTRICT REQUESTING. AND WE'RE SO FOR, YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY FOR STAFF, COULD THEY SUBMIT THE WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS, STAFF APPROVE THOSE? I PERSONALLY WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE HAD DETAILED SPECIFICATIONS INCLUDING A SECTION DRAWING FOR EACH OF THE WINDOW, EACH TYPE OF WINDOW MM-HMM . UM, BEFORE, BEFORE WE ISSUE A C ARRAY. UM, AND I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THAT TO BE A CONDITION. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? IS THE WINDOW SCHEDULE NOT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR? IS THERE AN ADDITIONAL DOCUMENT THAT SHOULD BE PROVIDED WITH [03:05:01] SUCH PLANS? THE, THE WINDOW SCHEDULE IS NOT IN HERE. SO NORMALLY WE, WE'D HAVE A DETAILED MEASUREMENT OF FIRST OF ALL, EACH WINDOW HOW, YOU KNOW, WITH A MATERIAL, A VERY DETAILED SPECIFICATION OF WHAT EACH WINDOW IS. AND THEN EACH WINDOW WOULD BE NUMBERED SO WE'D KNOW ITS LOCATION. UM, BUT IF THEY'RE THINKING ON APPROVING WITH THE CONDITION THAT YOU PROVIDED, BASICALLY THEY WILL APPROVE IT. AND ONCE YOU GIVE IT TO ME, THEN I WILL MAKE SURE THAT IT IS WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE. AND THEN ISSUE THE CA THAT'S HOW THAT WOULD WORK. I THINK THE WINDOWS, THE WINDOW SCHEDULE IS, UH, WAS SHARED WITH YOU GUYS. IT'S ON THE FLOOR PLAN. UM, IT HAS THE MEASUREMENT OF EACH WINDOW, UM, WITH A MARK, UH, TO DESCRIBE THE WINDOW AND THE QUANTITY OF EACH WINDOW. DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE, OKAY, LET'S SEE. HE'S TALKING ABOUT HERE. NO, THE ACTUAL, UH, SO OUR NUMBER ON THE PLAN, LIKE 4 0, 6 0 FOR THE, OH, IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE 40 16? OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS MATERIAL SCHEDULE 40 INCHES AND SEE A THREE? NO, THE ACTUAL FLOOR PLAN. SO THESE ARE JUST, THESE ARE JUST ELEVATIONS, BUT I SENT YOU ALL OF THE PLANS AND WE REVIEW THEM IN THE LAST MEETING. AND THOSE PLANS, THE FLOOR PLAN, WHAT? HERE'S THE DOOR SCHEDULE. HERE'S THE WINDOW SCHEDULE RIGHT HERE. I SEE A WINDOW SCHEDULE, BUT THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE, WE NEED THE DETAILED DRAWINGS TO GO ALONG WITH THOSE. YES. FOUR TYPES. SO THIS IS ONLY ONE, ONE. SO BASICALLY WE'LL HAVE TO IDENTIFY ON THE DRAWINGS. WHERE ARE THE TWO THAT ARE 28, 46? WHERE ARE THE TWO THAT ARE 30 10? THAT TYPE OF THING. MM-HMM . BUT WE STILL NEED THE DETAILED DRAWING. YES. NOT JUST THE WINDOW SCHEDULE. OKAY. YES. SO WE KNOW ALL THE SIZES AND THE LOCATION. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS OF THE, UM, INSTRUCTION OF THE WINDOWS. YEAH, I I JUST WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING THAT I'M NOTICING IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS. SO I'M NOT SURE IF I'M LOOKING AT, UM, THE IMAGE ON PAGE 1 67 OF THE DOCKET, IT'S THE FRONT ELEVATION AND IT'S INCLUDING THE, THE PORCH. BUT WHEN I ZOOM INTO THE WINDOW ITSELF, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN REPLACED ALREADY. IT'S AN ALUMINUM FRAMED WINDOW THAT WENT INTO A, AN OLD OPENING THAT'S, THAT WASN'T THE SIZE OF THE WINDOW THAT IT REPLACED. UM, THESE ARE A LITTLE SHORTER. SO I AM, I'M URGING THE, THE APPLICANT TO, UM, IF I KNOW THERE ARE REAL WINDOWS, ORIGINAL WINDOWS THAT WERE ON THE BUILDING TOO, THERE ARE WOODEN ONES. UH, SOME OF THE ONES ON THE SIDE BECAUSE I'M AFRAID IF YOU MATCH THE ONE ON THE FRONT, YOU'RE HEADING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. SO BASICALLY THE WINDOW SHOULD FILL THE OPENING. YEAH, THIS ONE HAS ALREADY BEEN REPLACED BY AN ALUMINUM WINDOW MUCH LATER. REALLY IN THE SEVENTIES OR SO. I THINK IN THIS CASE, I'D FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE HAVING THIS COME BACK AND HAVING TO LOOK AT THE WINDOW DETAILS. 'CAUSE IF HE'S GOING TO DO MULTIPLE, LIKE SIX OVER SIX OVER SIX OR WHATEVER, THESE, THOSE ARE VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE CUSTOM WINDOWS. AND I DON'T THINK THIS GONNA WORK OUT. I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, DOES THE COST OF THE WINDOW PERFORM ITS FEASIBILITY? IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COST. HE'S, THE COST IS NOT CONSIDERED IN, IN THIS APPLICATION. UM, NOT TO BE CONFUSED. HE'S JUST DOESN'T WANT YOU TO DO IT WRONG THE FIRST TIME AND HAVE TO PAY AGAIN. WE NEED MORE INFORMATION. WE NEED CUT SHEETS, DIMENSIONAL PROFILE, JAM, HEAD MEETING ROW, AND THE TRUE DIVIDED LIGHT DETAIL. OKAY. YEAH. AND USUALLY THAT'S PROVIDED BY YOUR, BY THE MANUFACTURER. THERE'LL BE A CUT SHEET THAT, THAT DESCRIBES ALL OF THAT, ALL THE, THE DETAILS. I, I THINK THE PROBLEM IS HE'S HAVING SOMEONE BUILD THESE FROM SCRATCH. IT'S NOT A COMPANY. IS THAT CORRECT, LAURA? THAT IS CORRECT. THAT WOULD BE, WHICH WOULD BE MORE CONCERNING SINCE THERE'S GONNA BE, IF THERE'S GONNA BE AN INDIVIDUAL DOING IT, THAT'S EVEN MORE CONCERNING NOT HAVING CUT SHEETS. I MEAN, WE'LL REALLY NEED THE DETAILS EVEN MORE SO THAN EVER. IT, IT'S JUST, UH, I GUESS THE, THE ISSUE HERE WAS JUST FINDING PEOPLE WHOSE THESE WINDOWS, UM, UH, JUST MANUFACTURED. UM, THAT WAS JUST REALLY, REALLY HARD TO FIND. SO OUR, UH, CONTRACTOR HAS BEEN WORKING ON RENOVATIONS AROUND THE, [03:10:01] THE LAKE, UH, LAKE CLIFF AND UM, HAS, UM, SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THOSE HOUSE MAKING OF THOSE, UH, HIS WORK WINDOWS MADE OUT OF WOOD. AND THAT'S WHO WE'RE PLANNING ON USING. WE JUST ARE NOT ABLE TO FIND, OR WE'RE NOT ABLE TO FIND SOMEONE WHO COULD, UH, MANUFACTURE, UH, THOSE WINDOWS. ALRIGHT. SUDDENLY A LULLING CONVERSATION. I REALIZE I MISSED SOME OF IT. I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T SOUND LIKE WE'RE DISCOURAGING YOU FROM HAVING WONDERFUL WINDOWS BUILT BECAUSE THAT'S PRICE WORTHY, THAT SOMEONE IS WILLING TO INVEST IN DOING THE BEST POSSIBLE SUBSTITUTE FOR THE WINDOWS. I TAKE IT THAT THERE'S JUST AN ISSUE OF WHAT THEY ARE. THE ORIGINAL WINDOW WE'RE BASING THIS ON IS ACTUALLY ALUMINUM OR MEDAL OF, IS THAT TALKING ABOUT THE I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. IS THAT WHERE WE HAVE ARRIVED AT NOW? WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS FOR AN HOUR. WE'RE NOT GONNA GET ANYWHERE READY FOR A MOTION. OKAY. WERE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT NO ONE GOT A CHANCE TO ASK IT? ALL RIGHT THEN MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 5, 10 18 NORTH BECKLEY STREET, LAKE CLIFF, COA 25 0 0 0 3 7 7. CALLING STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER THREE. AND NUMBER TWO, DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE REQUESTING THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK IN WITH FULL DETAILS ON WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE MULTIPLE LIGHTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY EXPRESSED ON THE OUTSIDE. SECOND, DID, DID YOU ACTUALLY ON, ON ITEM TWO, DID YOU SAY DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE? YES. OKAY. I'M SORRY I MISSED IT. AND THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS. YEAH. BUT BUT THERE, IS THERE ANY CLARIFICATION ON THIS THAT'S NEEDED? I MUST HAVE MISHEARD. I THOUGHT, UM, I CAN REPEAT IT. JIM WAS DESCRIBING, UM, ITEM THREE, NOT ITEM TWO. OH, LET ME SAY IT AGAIN. OKAY. UM, FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER THREE. NUMBER TWO, DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE REQUESTING WINDOW DETAILS SHOWING WOOD WINDOWS, MULTIPLE LIGHT EXPRESSED ON THE OUTSIDE. AND WHAT'S THREE OF THE FRONT PORCH? PARDON ME? FOLLOWING STAFF RECOGNITION ON ONE AND THREE. YEAH. OKAY. AND YOUR, YOUR SECOND HOLDS COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS. I GUESS THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION SINCE I GUESS I MISSED A LOT. . GO AHEAD. YEAH, ON ITEM THREE IT JUST SAYS BE APPROPRIATE. UM, A LITTLE VAGUE. DO YOU WANT MORE DETAIL ON SHOULD WE JUST ASK FOR THREE TO COME BACK ALSO? WELL, ARE YOU COMPLETELY DENYING THE COLUMNS THAT HE HAS THERE? OKAY, THAT'S, I WAS JUST CLARIFYING. ALRIGHT. IS THAT ALL I'M CALLING STAFF? I MEAN, YOU WANT ME TO, I CAN TAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT EASILY. I'M JUST TRYING TO WELL THEN ARE YOU GOING TO DO SO, UH, YOU WANT TO, IT'S UP TO YOU. DO YOU WANT TO, IS ANYONE GIVING A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? UM, I GUESS FRIENDLY AMENDMENT ON, UM, OR RATHER ON ITEM NUMBER THREE THAT, UH, WE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE FOLLOWING, UM, ADDITIONAL DRAWINGS TO DEPICT THE COLUMN DESIGN. SO WE'RE JUST APPLYING IT OR APPROVING THE TREATMENT OF REMOVAL. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. THE NEW MOTION IS FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO AND THREE, DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE, ASKING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THE WINDOWS THAT THEY'RE WOULD AND HAVE MULTIPLE LIGHTS EXPRESSED ON THE OUTSIDE. AND NUMBER THREE, WOULD YOU SAY PROVIDE MORE DESIGN DETAILS. YOU'RE SAYING DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE ON NUMBER THREE TO PROVIDE MORE DETAILS INFORMATION. YEAH. AND THAT IS ALL YOU. I'LL, I'LL KEEP MY SECOND. ALRIGHT THEN I GUESS WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE. DISCUSSION. DISCUSSION HERE. WELL, HOW ARE YOU GONNA GO AHEAD AND DISCUSS IF YOU'RE GONNA DISCUSS, I, I GOT THE IMPRESSION YOU DIDN'T WANNA DISCUSS . IS THERE ANY INFORMATION ON WHAT THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WOULD'VE BEEN, IF THAT WOULD'VE BEEN, WE DON'T HAVE ANY DEFINITE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT ALL THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WOULD'VE BEEN. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS, UM, ON THE SIDE OF THE, IT'S IT'S SMALLER WINDOW AND IT'S A ONE OVER ONE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FRONT, SO HE'S, HE MIGHT NOT HAVE TO DO THIS MULTI LIGHT OVER MULTI LIGHT BECAUSE THE ONLY ORIGINAL WINDOWS SEEM TO BE ON THE SIDE. THAT'S ONE OVER ONE. I THAT IS, IS THAT, I THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE. A POSSIBLE WAY OF LOOKING AT IT. THAT IS A POSSIBLE, UH, OPTION. UM, AND OFTEN WHEN WE DON'T KNOW THE ORIGINAL, SOMETIMES IT IS EASIEST JUST TO GO ONE OVER ONE PER TO KEEP IT SIMPLE. SO YOU [03:15:01] DON'T, SO YOU KNOW, WITH THIS STYLE OF HOUSE, AND I HAVE MANY OF THESE STYLE HOUSES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS IS VERY TRADITIONAL. HAVE THE, THE MULTI LIGHT 12 OVER EIGHT OR EIGHT OVER EIGHT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO HAVE THAT AND THEN ON THE SIDE GO WITH A ONE OVER ONE WITH THIS. SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS, IS TYPICAL. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. UM, I GUESS MY COMMENT WAS ON THE, THE DRAWINGS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO US TODAY WITH THE PORCH DETAIL, IS THAT NOT ENOUGH PORCH DETAIL TO APPROVE TODAY? WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. THE, THE PORCH DETAIL, THE COLUMN, THOSE ARE THE COLUMNS HE WANTS. MM-HMM . IT'S NOT THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH DETAIL, IT'S THAT YOU GUYS DON'T THINK THEY'RE APPROPRIATE. SO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? THOSE ARE WHAT HE'S PROPOSING. THE TAPERED WITH THE STONE TO MATCH UNDERNEATH. BUT IF YOU DON'T FEEL THEY'RE APPROPRIATE, THEN MAYBE STATE THAT AS A FINDING OF FACT RATHER THAN NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION BECAUSE HE'S GIVING YOU THE DRAWING OF WHAT HE WANTS. IT'S JUST YOU GUYS DON'T FIND IT APPROPRIATE. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? COULD WE MAKE THAT AMENDMENT TO, TO THE MOTION JIM ON, ON THE FINDING OF FACT OF THE COLUMNS THAT IS BEING PROVIDED. HE IS PROVIDING COLUMNS. JUST NOT WHAT, BUT IT'S UH, THE FINDING OF FACT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DENY. IT'S BECAUSE YOU GUYS DON'T FIND THOSE APPROPRIATE. IT'S NOT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T TELL YOU WHAT, WHAT HE WANTED. YOU KNOW, YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? I'M JUST TRYING TO, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A FINDING OF FACT ON THAT, UH, TO BE EXACT. UM, SO YOU'RE COVERED. OKAY. WHAT'S THE FINDING OF THAT? OR DO YOU WANT THAT WE ARE NOT IN AGREEMENT THAT WHAT WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED SO FAR ON THE COLUMNS IS APPROPRIATE AND COMPATIBLE. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. STAFF COULD WORK WITH HIM ON SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVES. UM, IN FACT, I, I WOULD RATHER SEE SOMETHING LIKE A, A SIMPLE BOX COLUMN. UM, AND WE COULD WORK WITH HIM ON THAT FINDING. IN FACT THAT BOX COLUMN WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE AND LESS CONJECTURAL. I I'M FINE WITH THAT. I DIDN'T WANNA CALL. ALRIGHT. IF THAT'S THE STATEMENT, IF THAT'S AN AMENDMENT OF THE, UH, FINDING OF FACT THAT THE BOX COLUMNS WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE THAN, THAN WHAT'S PROVIDED AND, AND WE'RE DENYING THAT WHAT'S PROVIDED BASED UPON THAT FINDING OF FACT. I SECOND I KEEP MY SECOND. ALRIGHT, ARE WE READY FOR THE VOTE? ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA IS IN OPPOSITION. UM, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, WHICH WAY DID YOU GO? I'M IN SUPPORT. OKAY, YOU'RE IN SUPPORT. SO IS COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS NOT, IS NOT IN SUPPORT? ALRIGHT THEN THE MOTION HAS CARRIED. SO, UM, NOW SINCE SOME OF YOUR REQUESTS GOT A TYPE OF DENIAL, YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO PAY A FEE TO GO TO THE UH, CPC, WHICH IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ASK THEM TO REVIEW IT. AND THAT WHAT THEY WILL RULE ON IS IF WE WERE JUST PLAIN WRONG, THEY WILL VIEW DID WE MAKE THIS MOTION IN ERROR? UM, BUT WHAT WE'RE REALLY ASKING YOU TO DO IS TO CLARIFY SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WORKING WITH STAFF AND COME BACK AGAIN WITH THIS, UM, WITH THIS CLARITY OF YOUR PROPOSAL. SO I HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER JUST WORKING WITH STAFF AND COMING BACK TO SEE US. BUT IT IS YOUR OPTION TO GO TO CPC. THANK YOU. THE THANK YOU. OKAY. SORRY IT DIDN'T ALL WORK OUT BUT IT WILL GET THERE. IT WILL. OKAY. NEXT IS D FOUR. OKAY. OKAY. MAKE SURE I'M IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND I BELIEVE THIS IS THE END OF THOSE THAT HAVE ANYBODY TO SPEAK ON. SO FROM HERE ON IN THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS CORRECT? OKAY. CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 4 7 2 3 NESBITT DRIVE, JU HEIGHTS COA 2 5 0 0 0 4 6 9 OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE 13 WINDOWS. STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE 13 WINDOWS BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE. WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT THE ORIGINAL WINDOW, ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS CANNOT BE RESTORED AND THAT THE REPLACEMENT COMPOSITE WINDOWS WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE STRUCTURE AND ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THEREFORE, THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA. AND SECTION 5.1, THE STANDARD IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS OF REHABILITATION [03:20:01] TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO REPLACE 13 WINDOWS WE NOW , INCLUDING EXTERIOR, INCLUDE EXTERIOR PHOTOS OF EXISTING CONDITION OF EACH WINDOW. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THAT. NOW THERE HAVE BEEN TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE APPARENTLY ONLINE, UH, STANLEY WILLIAMS AND I BELIEVE JANINE. UM, I DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW, WHICH, UM, OKAY, YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON D 10. SO IF YOU HANG ON WHEN WE GET TO D 10, THEN WE WILL CALL UPON YOU TO SPEAK. WE DO KNOW THAT YOU ARE THERE NOW. ALRIGHT, UM, WE DIDN'T KNOW BEFORE AND I DON'T ACTUALLY SEE, I DON'T SEE ANYONE ONLINE. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ONLINE? THEY KEEP RAISING THEIR HAND WITH THIS. FOR THIS ONE WE DON'T. IT'S FOR D 10. OKAY. OKAY. SO WHEN WE GET TO D 10, OH, MARK ELLIS MIGHT BE OKAY. MARK ELLIS, THAT'S YOUR AND JANINE BRUNING. OKAY, SO AGAIN, WE'LL GET TO YOU. WHO'S JANINE BRUNING? SHE'S D 10. OKAY, SO WE'LL GET TO EVERYTHING, BUT FIRST WE HAVE TO DO D FOUR . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THERE'S NO ONE TO SPEAK, SO ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR MOTION ON D FOUR? ALL THE MOTION. GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER IN REGARDS TO D 4 7 2 3 AS WE DRIVE D, DECIDE STEWART DISTRICT CA TWO FIVE DASH 4 6 9. I MOVE THAT WE DENY THE ITEM WITHOUT PREJUDICE WAS SUBJECT TO SNAP RECOMMENDATION. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ANY, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OH, COMMISSIONER FOGLEMAN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY OR ARE YOU JUST READY TO VOTE? YOU'RE ANXIOUS TO VOTE? OKAY. UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, THE MOTION HAS CARRIED SO STAFF WILL NOTIFY UM, THE APPLICANT APPROPRIATELY. I DO. COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS SECONDED. COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERG MADE THE MOTION. ALRIGHT, SO NEXT UP ON OUR LIST IS D SEVEN. D SIX. D SIX. D SIX WAS ALREADY PASSED UNDER THE CONSENT. OKAY? OH YES, THAT WAS THE DOUBLE THING. OKAY. RIGHT, BUT WE ALL WROTE IT DOWN ANYWAY AND DIDN'T NOTICE THAT , SO D SEVEN. OKAY, D SEVEN. UM, AGAIN, CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF. DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 7 49 0 8 JUNIOR STREET, MUNGER PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT CO 8 25 0 0 0 3 4 REQUEST UH, NUMBER ONE OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL BRICK P WALKWAY IN FRONT YARD REQUEST NUMBER TWO IS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL GRAVEL AND FLOWER BED BESIDE DRIVEWAY. STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL BRICK P WALKWAY IN FRONT YARD BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND PLANS DATED 12 1 20 25. THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA IN SECTION 51 P DASH 97 1 11 C TWO ICC, THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION STAFF. RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO THAT THE REQUEST TO INSTALL GRAVEL IN THE FLOWER BED BESIDE THE DRIVEWAY BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE THAT THE VIDING, THE FACT THAT ROCK GARDENS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THEREFORE THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA AND SECTION 51 P DASH NINE 7.1 11 C TWO IC THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN CONTRIBUTION STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS PER SE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST TO INSTALL BRICK P WALKWAY IN FRONT YARD BE APPROVED. NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST TO INSTALL GRAVEL IN FRONT YARD BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE. ALRIGHT, DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR A MOTION INSTEAD. COMMISSIONER MUR MONROE IS OUT OF THE ROOM, SO NO ONE COME LOOKING WITH HIM. COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER HAS A MOTION. V 7 4 9 0 8 JUNE STREET, MICHAEL PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT CO A TWO FIVE DASH 0 0 3 8 4. I KNEW THAT REGARDING ITEM ONE BE APPROVED FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND NUMBER TWO, EVEN I WOULD'VE PREJUDICE FOR SECOND. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT THEN. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, THEN I CALL ON THE VOTE. UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. [03:25:01] ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. STAFF WILL COMMUNICATE WITH APPLICANT AND LET THEM KNOW WE WERE READY TO DISCUSS THE, UM, THE STRIP OF OF GRAVEL WALL. SHE AND SHE JUST, UH, EMAILED AT THREE, UH, 59 OR FOUR. YEAH, 3 59. WHAT TIME IS THE MEETING AT? I ALREADY SENT HER THE LINK EARLIER. MM-HMM. OKAY, SO I TRIED. SHE CAN COME BACK AND TALK TO US ABOUT IT IF SHE LIKES. YES. YEAH. ALRIGHT. AFTER D SEVEN IS D 10, WHICH IS WHERE WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS ON, SHE JUST WENT OUT. IS THIS RHONDA? THIS IS RHONDA. SHE JUST STEPPED OUT. IT'S RON. RHONDA, JUST FOR A SECOND. UM, DO, CAN YOU READ IT? IT'S RIGHT HERE. DO WE NEED TO DO D 15? I CAN READ IT IN IF YOU WANT. OKAY. D 10 CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF. DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 10 34 15 RUM STREET, QUEEN CITY PRE-DESIGN MORATORIUM COA 25 0 0 0 4 2 3. REQUEST A PRE DESIGNATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR EXTERIOR REHABILITATION OF THE MAIN BUILDING TO INCLUDE WINDOW NINE IN TOTAL AND DOOR REPLACEMENT, EXTERIOR SIDING AND PORCH FLOOR REPLACEMENT AND HARDSCAPING. STAFF. RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR EXTERIOR REHABILITATION OF THE MAIN BUILDING TO INCLUDE WINDOW NINE TOTAL AND DOOR REPLACEMENT, EXTERIOR SIDING AND PORCH FLOOR REPLACEMENT AND LANDSCAPING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWING AND SPECIFICATIONS STATED 11 19 20 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT ONLY DETERIORATED IE CRACKED OR BROKEN OR NON-ORIGINAL BOARDS BE REPLACED. THAT REPLACEMENT SIDING THE ALL WOOD HORIZONTAL LAP SIDING MILLWORK PATTERN NUMBER ONE 17. THAT EXTERIOR SOLID WOOD SIDING B CONTINUED TO APPROXIMATELY SIX INCHES ABOVE GRADE ON ALL ELEVATIONS WITH THE WATER TABLE TRIM BOARD TO BE INSTALLED. TO PROTECT SIDING THE PORT FRONT PORCH FLOORING, THE ALL WOOD TINY AND GROOVE WITH DIMENSIONS ONE BY FOUR AND THAT DRIVEWAY OR DRIVEWAYS, WALKWAYS OR WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE A BRUSH FINISHED. CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.50 1D FIVE A FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS TO REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION. NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. COMMENTS NUMBER ONE, THAT A WATER TRIM BOARD BE USED. NUMBER TWO, THAT DRIVEWAY BE HOLLYWOOD RIBBON STYLE NUMBER THREE, THE CHIEF ARBOR B CONSULTANT REGARDING TREE HEALTH. FOUR SHOW ALL REPLACEMENT MATERIALS. NUMBER FIVE, PROVIDE PHOTOS OF HOUSE. NUMBER SIX, SELECT PAINT FROM SHARON WILLIAMS, HISTORIC PAINT COLLECTIVE NUMBER SEVEN, SUBMIT ALL. THANK YOU. AND I SAW THAT MS. BRUNING IS ON AND HAS HER CAMERA TURNED ON. UM, I, MS. BRUNING, UM, I NEED YOU TO BEGIN BY GIVING US YOUR FULL NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE OR SWORN OR SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH. I THINK YOU'RE MUTED. MY NAME IS, MY NAME IS SHANEEN BRUNING. I LIVE IN DALLAS, TEXAS. UH, 8 0 6 6 PARK LANE, APARTMENT 5 0 2 7 5 2 3 1. AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. SO, UH, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO GIVE US FURTHER INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. OKAY. THIS IS THE PROJECT OF STANLEY WILLIAMS WHO IS ALSO ONLINE. AND UM, MY COMMENT IS ON THE SEVEN, UH, QUORUM POINTS, I THINK WE SUBMITTED ALL THE EXTRA INFORMATION THAT WAS REQUIRED AFTER THE TASK FORCE MEETING. AND IF NOT, OF COURSE I'M, UH, WILLING TO DO SO. BUT AS FAR AS I THINK I, WE, WE SUBMITTED ALL THE REVISITED PLAN, UM, UM, PICTURES WHEN IT COMES TO PAYING FROM SHERMAN, UH, UM, SHERMAN WILLIAMS AND, UM, THE DOORS, THE WINDOWS, EL . I THINK WE SUBMITTED EVERYTHING INCLUDING THE, THE PICTURES OF THE WINDOWS FROM THE INSIDE ACCORDING TO THE WINDOW, UH, ASSESSMENT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND DID MR. WILLIAMS ALSO WISH TO SPEAK? I THINK HE DID. . OKAY. WELL WE ARE NOT SEEING HIM ONLINE RIGHT NOW. HE HAS STAFF. ARE YOU MADE SURE HE IS? I'M I'M SURE HE'S, YEAH, HE DOESN'T HAVE HIS CAMERA ON. OKAY. SIR, YOU HAVE TO TURN YOUR CAMERA ON. IT IS A STATE OF TEXAS LAW THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE YOU WHEN YOU SPEAK IN A PUBLIC MEETING. OKAY. AND THERE YOU ARE. OKAY. , I'M SURE YOU HEARD NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOU NEED TO PROMISE OR SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND YOU NEED TO UNMUTE . OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. YES. OKAY. STANLEY WILLIAMS, 4, 2, 1, 1. GREAT. TRINITY FOREST WAY, [03:30:01] DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 4 0 1. UM, I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. OKAY, GO AHEAD. UH, WHAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION DO YOU HAVE ABOUT YOUR PROJECT HERE? WELL, WE'RE GOING TO BASICALLY, UH, REDO THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE. UH, RE REPLACE WITH THE ONE 17 SIDING, UH, REDO THE PORCH IN, ITS IN ITS EXISTING FORM. UM, REPLACE THE ROOF WITH THE, UH, WEATHER WOOD ROOF. UH, THAT'S ABOUT IT. LIKE I SAID, WE'RE JUST GONNA REDO THE EXTERIOR IN. ITS IN THIS ORIGINAL FORM IF POSSIBLE. ALL THANK YOU. UM, AND WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE QUESTIONS NOW, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS OR FOR STAFF? QUESTION FOR STAFF. YES. I WAS LOOKING AT, UH, THE WINDOW SURVEY AND WE'VE GOT SEVERE WOOD ROT ON CERTAIN WINDOWS. I SEE. MAYBE THERE'S A ONE OR TWO DAMAGED ALUMINUM WINDOWS. SO, WELL WE'RE HAVING, I ORIGINALLY WENT TO HAVING A COMBINATION OF WOOD AND ALUMINUM, IS THAT RIGHT? NO, UH, I ORIGINALLY WENT TO OR REED AND THEY GAVE ME A GUY'S NUMBER THAT WAS GONNA MAKE ME SOME WINDOWS, BUT HE TOLD ME ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS OF WINDOW. SO I JUST DECIDED WHEN THEY SAID WE COULD USE THE ALUMINUM, WHICH IS GONNA GO WITH THE ALUMINUM ONE OVER ONE. BUT ARE THE ORIGINALS ALL ALUMINUM OR SOME OF THEM ARE WOOD AND SOME OF 'EM ARE ALUMINUM. IT WAS A MIX OF BOTH AT ONE TIME, I'D PROBABLY SAY ABOUT 25 YEARS AGO IT LOOKED LIKE THEY DID AN ADDITIONAL TO THE BACK, SO THEY PUT ALUMINUM WINDOWS BACK THERE, BUT THAT HOUSE HAD BEEN VACANT FOR ABOUT TWO OR THREE YEARS, SO IT HAD A LOT OF THE GUY SAID IT WOULD COST HIM MORE TO REDO THE OLD WINDOWS THAN JUST MAKE NEW ONES. SO THEN WHEN HE GAVE ME THE PRICE, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I SAID I NEED TO LOOK FOR ANOTHER, ANOTHER OPTION. THAT'S WHEN DR. DUNN TOLD ME WE COULD GO WITH THE ALUMINUM. DR. DUNN, YOU SAID, SO IT WOULD BE ALL, ALL THE, ALL ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND ALL THE WOOD WINDOWS WOULD BE REMOVED? YES. YES. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA REMOVE ALL THE WINDOWS AND, AND DO THE ALUMINUM ONE OVER ONES IN THE SAME, SAME ORIGINAL SIZE THOUGH. OKAY. UM, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE ON THE FRONT AND POSSIBLY THE OLDER PART WOULD, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE COST ISSUE THAT WE DISCUSSED WITH TASK FORCE. RIGHT. SO, AND LIKE I SAID, THERE WAS INFLUENCE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION BEING ONE OVER ONE ALL ALUMINUM. SO HE DOES KNOW WE DON'T WANT THE POPS STICKLE STICK GRIDS, ET CETERA. HE DOES KNOW ONE OVER ONE. THE QUESTION IS, WOULD ALUMINUM AND WHERE, BECAUSE HE'S RIGHT, IT IS A HODGEPODGE. RIGHT NOW IT'S ALUMINUM ALL ACROSS THE BACK AND THE REAR, WELL ALL ACROSS THE BACK AND SOME OF THE SIDES. BUT IN THE FRONT THERE ARE OLDER ONES THAT ARE WOOD, WHICH MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE ORIGINALS, BUT THEY ARE IN VERY POOR CONDITION. YOU CANNOT REPAIR THOSE. YEAH. TYPICALLY THEY LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLOSEUP PHOTOS OF THE DEMO. I I IN THIS CASE, IT SEEMS LIKE THE SEVERITY OF THE ROT IS, IS, IS EVIDENT EVEN FROM YEAH. THAT PERSPECTIVE. AND THAT WOULD BE YOUR A SUMMATION AS WELL. CORRECT. AND SO YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE NO REASON TO PUSH BACK ON THE PLAN, ON, ON TAKING THEM ALL OUT AND JUST PUTTING ALL ALUMINUM WINDOWS AT THIS PARTICULAR JUNCTURE FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I STILL WOULD PREFER WOOD ON THE FRONT ELEVATION IF WE COULD AT LEAST NEW, NEW WOOD WINDOWS, NEW WOOD WINDOWS. YEAH, BECAUSE SINCE, YEAH, THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NOT ANY WINDOW SALVAGEABLE THAT COULD BE TAKEN OUT AND PUT SOMEWHERE ELSE RIGHT TO THE FRONT, NOTHING. NO. AND, AND DR. DUNN, WE HAD SPOKE ABOUT THAT THIS IS A HOUSE I'M KEEPING AND I JUST DON'T WANT MIX MAC WINDOWS IN THE HOUSE. I JUST DON'T LIKE MIX MAC WINDOWS. I LIKE EITHER ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I I JUST DIDN'T WANNA PUT MIX MAC WINDOWS IN THE HOUSE. OKAY. ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM MISSION? I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, THERE'S A, A CENTRAL COLUMN THAT DOESN'T MATCH THE OTHER TWO. IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAD BEEN DESTROYED AND THEN REPLACED, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME DETAIL NOR SIZE [03:35:01] AS THE ONES ON THE CORNER. YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PORCH COLUMN? YES. YES. YEAH, ACTUALLY I WAS ASKING DR. DUNN IF WE COULD GO WITH CEDAR RIGHT THERE AND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD I'VE SEEN CEDAR LIKE A EIGHT BY EIGHT OR A SIX BY SIX SEATER POACH. UH, AND I WANTED TO GET A CLARIFICATION ON THAT. I'D RATHER GO BACK WITH CEDAR BECAUSE THEY WERE BOTH JUST BASICALLY WRAPS AROUND THE UH, UH, AROUND THE TWO BY FOURS. AND THE OTHER ONE WAS JUST SO RIDING IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST HANGING ON SO I TOOK IT OFF. BUT I LIKE TO GO BACK CEDAR OR I CAN JUST MATCH WHAT WAS THERE SINCE I HAVE, I I, UH, THE OTHER ONE IS IN THE PICTURE, SO WE'RE REPLACING BOTH THOSE WITH THE ORIGINAL COLUMNS. BUT I I I, I'D ASK IF I COULD DO CEDAR POSSIBLY. YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONES ON THE CORNER AT LEAST ARE 10 BY 10 POSSIBLY. UM, SO NO, THEY, THEY WEREN'T THAT BIG. I THINK THEY WERE LIKE EIGHT BY EIGHT. OKAY. WELL, UH, REGARDLESS AS TO MATCH THAT BOX COLUMN SIZE, UH, FOR ALL THREE? YES. OKAY. YES. YEAH. UM, AND THAT THEY'D BE SMOOTH SA RATHER THAN, UH, ROUGH SA. SO AGAIN, THEY APPEAR LIKE THE ORIGINAL. OKAY. UH, REPEAT THAT AGAIN WHAT YOU SAID. UH, THAT'D BE, SAY THAT AGAIN. SMOOTH SA CEDAR RATHER THAN ROUGH SA. OKAY, GOTCHA. SO THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A, A FINISHED BOARD. I GOTCHA. BUT HE STILL NEEDS TO PAINT IT. OH YES. WELL, I CAN'T STAIN IT BECAUSE THE WOOD DOOR, I WANT IT TO STAIN THAT WOOD DOOR THAT'S, IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE. IT WOULD. OKAY. NO, YOU CAN STAIN THE, THE DOOR IS FINE, BUT THE COLUMNS SHOULD BE PAINTED. OKAY, I GOT YOU. OKAY. YEAH, WITH THE, WITH THE CAPITAL IT BASICALLY MATCHING THE DETAIL. IT'S GOT A, A FLAT BOARD AT THE TOP AND THEN AN OG PANEL, AND THEN I DON'T SEE ANY BASE AND THE SAME SIZE YET. OKAY. ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR A MOTION? I QUESTION FOR STAFF. WHAT'S, I DIDN'T SEE WHAT'S THERA WE'RE GONNA, HE HE REPLACING THAT RAILING? UM, YES. UH, I'M PUTTING THE RAIL. WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT BACK THE WAY IT WAS? YES. IT, IT WAS JUST SUCH IN ROTTEN CONDITIONS. UH, THE, THE CODE COMPLIANCE GUY, HE WAS CONTINUALLY COMING BY GIVING ME A CALL IN REGARDS TO THAT HOUSE AND I TOLD HIM THAT I ACTUALLY WASN'T THE OWNER. IT TOOK ME ABOUT TWO YEARS TO GET EVERYBODY TO SIGN OFF ON, OFF ON SO I COULD BUY IT. SO IT, DURING THAT TIME I HAD SOMEONE JUST CLEAN IT OUT AND BY THAT IT HAD A LOT OF WOOD ROD AND THEY JUST THREW THAT AWAY TOO, BUT I GOT PICTURES OF IT. SO WE'RE REPLACING ALL THAT TO LOOK ORIGINAL AS WELL. COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS OR MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION. UM, SORRY, ONE LAST QUESTION. ARE WE OKAY WITH THE ALUMINUM REPLACEMENTS? I WOULD STILL LIKE TO SEE WOOD ON THE FRONT WINDOWS ONE OVER ONE. YEAH. FOR THOSE THREE WINDOWS. OKAY. MM-HMM. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO THREE OF THE FRONT WINDOWS BEING, I KNOW ONE IS A PAIR AND THEN ONE IS A SINGLE, BUT THAT THOSE BE WOOD AND THE OTHER'S THE ALUMINUM? UM, THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION, UM, REGARDING, UM, DISCUSSION ITEMS COA 25 DASH 4 23, ALSO KNOWN AS 34 15 RUM STREET THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND CONDITIONS WITH ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT THE FRONT COLUMNS AND RAILING TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL IN SIZE AND PROPORTION AND THAT THEY'D BE PAINTED AND THAT THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FRONT BE WOOD FRAME ONE OVER ONE AND THE REMAINING WINDOWS BE, UM, ALUMINUM. ONE OVER ONE SECOND. UH, WHAT'S THE SECOND? COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA. YES. ALRIGHT. UM, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, IT'S TIME FOR THE VOTE . ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, [03:40:01] YES. ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? ALRIGHT THEN THIS MOTION HAS CARRIED, UM, DO TALK TO DR. DUNN ABOUT ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE CONDITIONS THAT WE PUT ON THERE WERE AND HOW TO, HOW TO SATISFY THEM PROPERLY. ALRIGHT. AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT. THANK YOU. OKAY, D 12 IS NEXT D 12. UM, WE DID D 1201. OKAY, WE'RE UP TO C ONE THEN. OKAY. IS NOT ONLINE. UM, WE, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SEE. WHO IS ONLINE FOR COURTESY REVIEW. MARK ELLIS FROM FEDERAL STREET, NO. MCDERMOTT STREET. SO COURTESY REVIEW ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS MARK ELLIS STILL ONLINE? YES. AND YOU ALSO HAVE LISA? I DON'T KNOW HER. UM, WELL HOW DO WE FIND OUT? , YOU'LL HAVE TO MOVE HER IN SO THAT WE CAN SPEAK TO HER AND ASK HER WHICH ONE SHE'S HERE FOR. OH, SHE OKAY. . OKAY. GOOD. MARK ALISON. OKAY. AND HE IS COURTESY REVIEW FOUR, DID YOU SAY? YES. OKAY, SO I GUESS WE'LL GO TO COURTESY REVIEW FOUR. NEXT. ALRIGHT, THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING COURTESY REVIEW ITEM NUMBER FOUR. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 28 15 MCDERMOTT. IT SHOULD BE AVENUE KNOT STREET. IT'S IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 DASH FIVE 15. THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW. UH, THE APPLICANT DESIRES TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF RECOMMENDATION. SINCE THIS IS COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED, BUT THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FROM LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW. TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS? STRAIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. SORRY FOR, UH, NUMBER ONE FOUNDATION SHOULD BE PEER AND BEAM OR RAISED CONCRETE SLAB 15 TO 18 INCHES ABOVE RIGHT. NUMBER TWO, THERE SHOULD BE AT LEAST TWO STEPS LEADING TO THE FRONT PORCH AND GONNA STEP UP ONTO THE PORCH. NUMBER THREE, WINDOWS SHOULD NOT BE VINYL. ALUMINUM 1 0 1 IS ACCEPTABLE. NUMBER FOUR, CASING AND TRIM SHOULD BE WOOD AND MINIMUM FOUR INCHES, SIX INCHES BETWEEN PAIR WINDOWS. NUMBER FIVE, SIDING SHOULD NOT BE HOLLY BOARD RECOMMEND MTY PATTERN ONE 17 PRIME BEFORE INSTALLATION. NUMBER SIX. RAPTOR TAILS SHOULD BE ON THE SIDE, ELEVATIONS NOT THE FRONT. RECOMMEND BRACKETS ON GABLE RAKE. OKAY, SO WE HAVE OUR SPEAKER IS, UM, MR. ELLIS, ARE WE ABLE TO SEE HIM ON SCREEN? SINCE WE'VE GOT THIS, THERE'S SOMEBODY HERE ABLE TO SEE HIM. MR. ELLIS, WE DO NEED TO HAVE YOUR CAMERA TURNED ON AND SEE YOU. IT'S A TEXAS STATE LAW TO SPEAK IN A PUBLIC MEETING. YOU MUST BE VISIBLE ONLINE, SO IF YOU'RE NOT, PLEASE ON, HE IS DOWN THERE AND NOW WE SEE YOU. ALL RIGHT, MR. ELLIS, YOU DON'T PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH, BUT YOU DO HAVE TO GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. UH, MARK ELLIS, 1 6 0 2 7 PLACE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 4 8. ALRIGHT. OKAY, SO IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROPOSAL? AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE THINK IS, UM, WHAT WE LIKE OR THINK COULD BE IMPROVED? YEAH, I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK. UM, THE COMMENTS I'VE RECEIVED, MANY OF THEM HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED IN A NEW SET OF PLANS THAT, UH, WERE JUST FINISHED, UH, TODAY, A LITTLE BIT TOO LATE. UM, SO I THINK I'VE INCORPORATED ALMOST ALL OF THOSE. UM, JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR [03:45:01] CLARIFICATION. UM, LEADING UP TO THE FRONT PORCH, UH, I HAVE TWO STEPS, BUT THEN, UM, THAT TOP STEP IS ESSENTIALLY FLUSH WITH THE PORCH. UM, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS ACCEPTABLE, THAT I HAVE THE STEPS IN FRONT OF THE PORCH, BUT THE TOP STEP LEVEL IS BASICALLY EVEN WITH THE PORCH. DOES IT SOUND REASONABLE? I REASONABLE. ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE TOP STEP WOULD BE LEVEL WITH THE PORCH? YES, BUT THERE'S NO NEED FOR THAT. YOU DON'T, BUT YOU JUST, YOU STEP UP ONTO THE PORCH FROM THE TOP MOST STEP IS, IS YOUR PORCH, WHAT IS ITS ELEVATION OFF THE GROUND? 18 INCHES. 18 INCHES. YES. HOW TALL ARE YOU STAIR RIGHT. SO THAT, THAT ACTUALLY, I I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. I WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO DO, THINKING ABOUT THIS MORE CAREFULLY, I'D PROBABLY NEED TO DO TWO SEVEN INCH STEPS FOLLOWED BY LIKE A FOUR INCH SMALL STEP UP. UM, AND, UH, AND I'M WONDERING IF THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. UH, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, TWO THINGS IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT THERE BE TWO STEPS, NOT ONE. AND THE OTHER CONCERN IS THAT, UM, I HAVE TO BOTH HAVE THE STEPS BE, UM, UH, REASONABLE SIZE AND, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I DON'T WANNA HAVE A TRIP HAZARD. OKAY. ONE WAY TO AVOID TRIPPING IS THAT IT'S GOOD IF EACH STEP A PERSON HAS TO TAKE IS THE SAME HEIGHT SO THAT THEY FOLLOW A PATTERN, OTHERWISE THEY GET SURPRISED IF ONE'S A DIFFERENT HEIGHT AND THEY FALL. LET ME SAY SOMETHING. THE TASK FORCE IS SAYING THAT THERE'S A, UM, THAT THE CONCRETE SLAB WOULD BE 15 TO 18 INCHES TALL. SO WHEN YOU ESTABLISH YOUR HEIGHT OF YOUR, YOUR FOUNDATION, THEN THE STEPS ARE WORKED INTO THAT AND IT ISN'T REQUIRED THAT YOU HAVE TWO OR THREE STEPS. IT'S REQUIRED THAT THE STEPS WORK WITH A FOUNDATION HEIGHT OF 15 TO 18 INCHES. GOT IT. OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. UH, I THINK WHAT I WOULD DO THEN IS A SINGLE STEP AND THEN THE FINAL STEP UP WOULD BE ONTO THE, UM, THE PORCH THEN? NO, HE'S TRYING TO LOWER IT. HE CAN'T DO 18 INCHES WITH A SINGLE STEP AND THEN STEP ONTO THE PORCH. SO, SO 18, AN 18 INCH FOUNDATION SHOULD, IS PLENTY OF ROOM THEN FOR TWO STEPS WITH A SIX INCH RISE AND THEN THE FINAL STEP ONTO THE PORCH. OKAY. SO YOU NEED TWO STEP, TWO STEPS THAT ARE SIX INCHES TALL AND THEN THE, THE LAST SIX INCH STEP, THE PERSON STEPS ON THE PORCH AND THAT WORKS OUT PERFECT, BUT, AND LOOKS GOOD. YEAH. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE I'LL, I'LL INCORPORATE ALL THAT FEEDBACK THAT YOU GUYS MENTIONED AND UM, AND I'LL BE ABLE TO SUBMIT REVISED PLANS FOR THE NEXT MEETING. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, I HAD A COMMENT ON THE, THE PORCH COLUMNS, THEY SEEM TO BE OVER DETAILED. UM, THERE'S A FURTHER SIZE, THERE'S KIND OF AN OVERABUNDANCE OF TRIM, UH, THAT CAN BE ELIMINATED. UM, YEAH, ACTUALLY THE REVISED PLANS HAVE, UM, EIGHT BY EIGHT, UM, JUST STRAIGHT RECTANGULAR, UM, SUPPORTS WHICH ARE IN LINE WITH WHAT THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES HAVE. GREAT, GREAT. YEAH. JUST A BOX COLUMN. OKAY. YEP. OKAY. ANY OTHER OBSERVATIONS? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS LIKE THE WINDOWS LOOK REALLY GOOD. ARE THEY, ARE THEY WOOD WINDOWS, SIR? I MEAN THAT'S WHERE THE WOOD OR YOU CAN FEEL IT ON THE OUTSIDE AND THE INSIDE. THEY'RE NOT COVERED IN ANYTHING ELSE. THE PLAN IS TO MAKE THOSE ALUMINUM WINDOWS. OKAY. AND THEN TO HAVE WOOD TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS. DECORATIVE WOOD TRIM. CUSTOM WOOD TRIM. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONERS, DOES THAT SEEM LIKE THE BEST OPTION TO EVERYONE OR ANYONE ? ARE THOSE BRACKETS OF, IT'S NOT A DENTAL KIND OF DESIGN AT THE UNDERSIDE OF THE GABLES, IF THOSE ARE BRACKETS IT SEEMS LIKE AN, AN OVERABUNDANCE OF BRACKETS. WE CAN, WE CAN REMOVE THOSE. WELL, ARE ARE THEY BRACKETS OR ARE THEY RAFTER TAILS? JUST AN END OF THE YEAH. ARE THEY TAILS OR HORIZONTAL RECORDING PIECE ARE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AT THE, IN THE, IN THE FRONT. AT THE TOP, YES. FRONT GABLE. OKAY. YEAH. [03:50:01] YEAH. SO THOSE, THOSE ARE COMING OFF THE, THE ARCHITECT FIRST WAS TRYING TO EXTEND THE RAFTER TAILS IN THE FRONT, WHICH DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. SO THOSE ARE ALL GONNA BE GONE AND THEN, UH, THEY'LL BE EXTENDED ON THE SIDES OF THE STRUCTURES. OKAY. SO THOSE ARE LITTLE BRACKETS THAT WE'RE SEEING. THOSE ARE EXTENDED. APPARENTLY THIS FACADE WE'RE SEEING, UM, IT'S BEEN REVISED AS IS NOT RIGHT . SO WE'RE COMMENTING ON THINGS THAT WERE, THAT YOU ALREADY CHANGED YEAH. THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN CHANGED OR WE'RE NOT EVEN, WE'RE KIND OF BLINDLY LOOKING AT, AT SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE ALREADY CHANGED. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. WELL, I'M, I'M GOOD. I'M DONE . WELL AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT COMMISSIONERS THINK OF. HE SAID ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH WOOD TRIM. WHAT'S ACTUALLY ON THIS ORIGINAL SCHEDULE HERE IS VINYL WINDOWS. MM-HMM . AND I DON'T THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE. MM-HMM . SO THERE ARE ALUMINUM WINDOWS, SIR. AND WHAT IS THAT? WHAT WE THINK BEST OR WHAT WE HAVE ANY ALTERNATIVE ADVICE? WELL, I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT BOTH COST EFFECTIVE AND COMPLIANT AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS LIKELY WOULD BE COMPLIANT. UM, AND THE WOOD TRIM AROUND THOSE WINDOWS WOULD, I THINK FINISH 'EM OUT NICELY. IT'S CUSTOM WOOD TRIM, UM, THAT I THINK IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WOULD MAKE THE WINDOWS LOOK PRETTY GOOD. I HAVE A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION. UM, IT APPEARS THAT THE PAIRS OF WINDOWS ARE ACTUALLY SEPARATED FROM EACH OTHER WITH ADDITIONAL SIDING. THOSE SHOULD BE CONJOINED WHERE THERE'S ABOUT A FOUR OR A SIX INCH BOARD IN BETWEEN WITHOUT SIDING. SO THOSE WOULD MOVE A LITTLE CLOSER TO TOGETHER. UM, ALSO IF YOU COULD ARTICULATE THE TRIM INSTEAD OF BEING EQUAL ALL THE WAY AROUND, UM, THAT THE HEAD IS A LITTLE THICKER AND, UM, THE SILL BE, UM, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FROM THE JAMS. UM, WE USUALLY DON'T JUST, IT'S LIKE BORDERING WITH TAPE THAT'S ALL THE SAME DIMENSION. IT'S, UM, IT CAN BE ARTICULATED A LITTLE BIT MORE. UM, ANOTHER COMMENT WAS ON THE, THE GABLE VENTS. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE TINY LITTLE 4 8 4 OVER FOUR WINDOWS. UM, JUST A SIMPLE LOUVER WOULD BE FINE. UM, WITH HORIZONTAL, UM, BLADES IN THE LOUVER RATHER THAN GLASS. I, I CAN'T QUITE TELL THEY LOOK LIKE MINIATURE LITTLE WINDOWS IN THERE. OKAY. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE LOUVER, UM, APPROACH WASN'T, WASN'T ACCEPTABLE, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. NO, IT'S QUITE COMMON. OKAY, GREAT. I'LL, I'LL DO IT THAT WAY. OKAY. THE, THE DOOR YOU'VE SELECTED, UM, USUALLY IT'S A SMALLER LIGHT AT THE TOP AND THE PANEL, IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S INVERTED, UM, WHERE YOU'D HAVE A SMALL LIGHT AT THE TOP AND THEN PANEL ON THE BOTTOM. FOR SOME REASON THE STACK DOOR ON THE, ON THE MATERIAL SHEET IS, IT'S NOT THE SAME AS WHAT'S IN THE DRAWING. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, THE, THE SOFFIT DETAIL, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BOXED, IS THAT CORRECT OR IS IT OPEN RAFTERS OR? I DIDN'T GO BACK AND LOOK AT, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT DETAILS BLOWN UP ON A, ON YOUR DETAIL SHEET, BUT WHAT WAS THE INTENTION ON THIS? UM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IT WAS JUST GOING TO BE, UH, ESSENTIALLY LIKE A BOX APPROACH WHERE THE BOARDS JUST GO STRAIGHT BACK FROM FASCIA. OKAY. UM, YEAH, THAT'S FINE. I WOULD JUST STICK WITH TRADITIONAL DETAILS INSTEAD OF MAKING IT, UM, IF, IF YOU'RE GOING WITH BOXED UM, SOFFITS, THEN UM, IT WOULDN'T BE A CRAFTSMAN ON THE FRONT. UM, SO YEAH, SIMPLER, SIMPLER DETAILS ON EXPOSED DRAFTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YOU DON'T NEED THEM IN, IN THAT STYLE. OKAY. SO JUST PLAIN, PLAIN FASCIA, UM, WITHOUT THE BOXING MM-HMM . UH, WELL WHERE, OKAY, WHERE IT BECOMES EVIDENT ON THE, THE DETAIL IS ON THE FRONT. UM, UH, WHEN YOU'RE FINISHING OFF THE, THE BOX AND IT'S IN A GABLE FRONT, UM, USUALLY THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DETAIL THERE AS YOUR TRANS IS, YOU'RE GOING FROM THE, ON THE INSIDE FROM THE SLOPE TO THE, UM, TO THE HORIZONTAL SOFFIT. THERE CAN BE A SLIGHT CURVE THERE. UM, AS A DETAIL ON THE FASCIA, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE NICER THAN JUST BOXING IT STRAIGHT WITH THE STRAIGHT ANGLES. OKAY. THANK [03:55:01] YOU. YOU YOU'RE WELCOME. ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT, SIR, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO HELP YOU TO HELP WITH AN OFFER RIGHT NOW, UM, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH FINALIZING YOUR PLAN AND COMING BACK TO US. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. BYE-BYE. OKAY, SO NOW WE DO COURTESY REVIEW ONE FOR WHICH THERE'S NO SPEAKER, NO ONE ELSE HAS POPPED UP. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING COURTESY REVIEW ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 36 0 5 ATLANTA STREET. IT'S IN QUEEN CITY, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER PRE-DESIGN MORATORIUM. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 DASH 3 48. IT'S THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW. THE APPLICANT IS ATTEMPTING OR REQUESTING TO CONSTRUCT A REAR TWO STORY VERTICAL ADDITION TO THE MAIN BUILDING STAFF RECOMMENDATION. WELL, SINCE THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED, BUT THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A REAR TWO STORY VERTICAL ADDITION TO THE MAIN BUILDING BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW. TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS, MAKE CHIN, MAKE CHANGES, USE 25 24 1 AVENUES OF REFERENCE FOR REAR. OKAY, SO THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION. THE EXISTING HOME IS ROUGHLY 800 SQUARE FEET. IT INITIALLY WAS BUILT IN IN 1930, BUT HAS AN EFFECTIVE YEAR BUILT OF 1980 BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES THAT THE HOMEOWNER HAS MADE TO THE PROPERTY. SO THE REAR ADDITION OR POPUP WOULD ROUGHLY QUADRUPLE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOUSE? YES, BECAUSE THE REAR POPUP IS OVER 3000 SQUARE FEET. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS IT FROM THE, WHAT IS THIS? THE LEFT ELEVATION. OKAY. AND THEN THIS IS IT FROM THE RIGHT ELEVATION AND I'M MISSING ONE. WHERE'S THE REAR? LET'S SEE, WHERE'S THE REAR? HERE'S THE REAR ELEVATION. SO IT'S A HIP ROOF, TWO STORY, 3,200 SQUARE FOOT VERTICAL ADDITION. REAR ADDITION. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN? BECAUSE I'M HAVING TERRIBLE TIME GETTING MY COMPUTER TO GO. OKAY. DID THEY JUST HAVE A HUGE BACKYARD OR ARE THEY IN DANGER OF COVERING TOO MUCH LOT? THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A HUGE BACKYARD AND AT SOME POINT, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY LAID THE FOUNDATION, THE FOUNDATION IS ALREADY THERE. SO IT'S A SLAB ON GRADE FOUNDATION IN THE REAR YARD, BUT THEY STILL HAVE SOME YARD LEFT AFTER THEY DO THE TWO STORY REAR EDITION. OKAY. SO YOU SAID THIS IS A 1980S HOUSE. IT WAS BUILT IN 1930, BUT IT HAS AN EFFECTIVE YEAR BUILT ACCORDING TO DCA OF 1980 BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF, UM, CHANGES MADE TO IT OR MODELED EXTENSIVELY, MAYBE ADDING THAT GARAGE ON AND ALL THAT. RIGHT, RIGHT. I GUESS WE GET BACK INTO THIS. DO WE THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A POPUP ADDITION IN QUEEN CITY OF ANY KIND OR ON THIS HOUSE? WELL, THERE ARE SEVERAL POPUPS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THE HOUSE THAT [04:00:01] THE TASK FORCE WAS RECOMMENDING HE USE AS AN EXAMPLE, THE, IT'S ACTUALLY LIKE A CROSS GABLE IS THE WAY THEY DESIGNED IT. AND IT LOOKS MORE LIKE IT'S A GRADUAL PROGRESSION TO A STORY AND A HALF AS OPPOSED TO THE TWO STORY POPUP. THE REASON I ASKED IS CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE FRONT ELEVATION PLEASE WITH UM, I MEAN THE WAY THIS COULD BE SALVAGED IF, IF STAFF THINKS IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD PURSUE HAVING A POPUP, GOING BACK TO WHAT I'VE SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE, WE HAVE THAT BIG ATTIC SPACE, WHICH IS WASTED SPACE, WHICH IS ADDING DOUBLE THE HEIGHT. SO DROPPING IT DOWN AND THEN PUTTING GABLES IN, DORMERS IN IT WOULD WORK. I MEAN, THAT WAY YOU WOULD JUST HAVE THE ROOF FORM ABOVE THE ROOF FORM WITH GABLE STICKING OUT MAY NOT BE EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO A POPUP LIKE THIS. 'CAUSE I KNOW WE DON'T DO PRECEDENT SETTING, BUT I THINK WE DO, IF WE APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT WILL BECOME THE, THE, THE STATUS QUO IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND DROPPING IT DOWN AND LETTING THE ROOF RUN INTO THE OTHER ROOF AND THEN PUTTING SOME DORMERS ON IT. THAT WOULD BE THE MOST DAMAGED CONTROL YOU COULD DO. IF YOU DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A POP-UP AT ALL, THEN IT COULD BE DENIED. BUT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN QUEEN CITY AND THIS IS NOT A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING. NO. HOWEVER, WHEN WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS ON THIS BUILDING, PEOPLE WILL SAY, WELL I LIKE THAT. I WANT IT ON MY CRAFTSMAN HOUSE AND IT'LL BE A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT TO TO DO, BUT I WOULD JUST SAY DROP IT DOWN AND PUT IN DORMERS. OKAY. THIS IS COMMISSIONER NEHORA. I AGREE WITH THAT. UH, WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT THERE IS JUST TOO, TOO HIGH. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? I WAS WONDERING WHY THE, THE SLOPE IS EIGHT AND 12, UM, WHEN IT LOOKS LIKE THE ORIGINAL HOME WAS PROBABLY FOUR AND 12, MAYBE EVEN THREE AND 12. YEAH. AND THEN THE, THE TOP PLATE ON THE SECOND FLOOR IS NINE FEET. I MEAN, THAT COULD BE REDUCED TO EIGHT EASILY, ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH STRUCTURE IN THE SECOND FLOOR. BUT YEAH, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME DIMENSIONS THAT COULD BE ADJUSTED THERE. I DID GO TOP APART, CORRECT? YEAH. WHICH IS A, YEAH. AND THIS COMMISSIONER IJO, I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, YES. IF THEY HAVE UH, SUCH A BIG BACKYARD, WHY COULDN'T THEY, UH, MOVE BACK RATHER THAN UP? THEY'RE ALREADY MOVING BACK WITH THIS, SO WELL, YEAH, BUT COULDN'T THEY MOVE BACK AT A, AT A, UH, EVEN BACK MORE AT A, AT A LOWER UH, HEIGHT? YEAH, THEY POSSIBLY COULD AT A CERTAIN POINT THEY WOULD COVER TOO MUCH OF THE LOT AND THAT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED EITHER, BUT THEY COULD TRY TO PUT MORE OF WHATEVER'S ON THE SECOND FLOOR. IT ALSO MIGHT BE MORE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. IT MIGHT BE MORE EXPENSIVE TO DO ALL THAT FOUNDATION WORK AND ALL THAT. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. MM-HMM . THAT COULD BE AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE. UM, THERE ARE OTHER REASONS TO LIGHT MORE ON YOUR FIRST FLOOR THOUGH. YOU DON'T HAVE TO CLIMB STAIRS TO IT. I WAS ALSO WONDERING BECAUSE IT'S NON-CONTRIBUTING, WOULD IT NECESSARILY BE, UH, AN ISSUE TO CREATE A HYPHEN? IN OTHER WORDS, WOULD WE NEED AS MUCH SEPARATION BETWEEN OLD AND NEW? SO TO COMMISSIONER ANDERSON'S POINT, IF YOU RECONFIGURED SOME OF THAT UPPER STORY MASS AND OVER PORTIONS OF IT OVER THE EXISTING HOUSE, UM, SO THAT IT WAS SPREAD OUT MORE EVENLY, UM, THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT INCREASING THE FOOTPRINT, BUT YOU'RE BETTER DISTRIBUTING THE UPSTAIRS SQUARE FOOTAGE AND HOPEFULLY EVEN WORKING IT INTO THE ROOF. I KNOW THE EXISTING ROOF, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT, I MEAN YOU, THERE'S PROBABLY ONLY THREE FEET OF CLEARANCE INSIDE OF IT, BUT, UM, TO GET A FULL WORKING FLOOR, THE, I THINK IT COULD BE WORKED IN A LOT, UH, BETTER, MORE BALANCED. SO ANOTHER ISSUE, THIS NOTICE A A QUESTION FOR STAFF ARE THAT THE REAR FACADE IS OBVIOUSLY A A TWO STORY DIRECT STRUCTURE, RIGHT? ARE THERE STRUCTURES LIKE THAT IN QUEEN CITY? YES. TWO, TWO STORY LIKE THAT? YES. THERE ARE, UH, TWO STORY [04:05:01] POPUPS OR REAR EDITION POPUPS IN QUEEN CITY. NO, BUT I'M SAYING IN, IN AS, UH, NOT A, A POPUP IS SO MUCH, BUT THE, IS THERE A HOUSE LIKE THAT, IF I SAY THIS, THE FRONT FACADE, ARE THERE TWO STORY HOUSES OF THAT TYPE IN QUEEN CITY OR ARE THEY MOSTLY ONE STORY AND ONE AND A HALF STORY? THE ORIGINALS ARE ONE STORY TO ONE AND A HALF STORY, BUT OVER TIME SOME PEOPLE HAVE ADDED THE, UH, TWO STORY REAR VERTICAL EDITION. WHAT I'M ASKING, ARE THERE ANY HOUSES THAT WERE THAT ARE LIKE THAT TWO STORY? I MEAN I DON'T, I'M, WHAT I'M SAYING IS TRYING TO CREATE, CREATE SOMETHING DOESN'T EVEN EXIST IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY. I MEAN HISTORICALLY WHERE THERE ARE TWO STORY HOUSES LIKE THIS, YOU FOLLOWING ME? UM, THERE ARE IN OTHER WORDS, HOUSES JUST BUILT AS TWO STORY. YES. IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE IGNORING THIS LITTLE PIECE IN THE FRONT. YES, YES. THERE ARE SOME TWO STORY. IT'S NOT A LOT, BUT THERE ARE SOME TWO STORIES. MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT IF WE'RE, IF WE WOULD APPROVE THIS TODAY OR IN THE FUTURE, WE'RE KIND OF CREATING A NEW BUILDING FORM THAT WASN'T THERE HISTORICALLY. ALL THE MORE REASON TO DROP IT SO THAT WE DON'T START PERPETUATING THESE LARGE TWO STORY HOUSES OR ADDITIONS. OKAY. WE ARE LOSING OUR VICE CHAIR, BUT WE'RE ALMOST DONE. OKAY. DON'T, DON'T THREATEN HIM. OKAY. OKAY. IS THAT THE END OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS COURTESY REVIEW? SO WE CAN GO TO COURTESY REVIEW THREE? YES. OKAY. SO COURTESY REVIEW ITEM THREE, WE MAY HAVE TO SEPARATE SOME OF YOU AND MAKE YOU SIT OVER WITH. THEY'RE ALREADY SAYING LOOK AT THIS OTHER ONE. APPARENTLY THAT'S POPPED. OKAY. COURTESY REVIEW ITEM THREE. THIS IS DRED AROUND THE HUN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. WE JUST HAVE ONE MORE EVERY WAY AFTER THIS ONE. I WAS GONNA SAY WE HAVE TWO MORE COUNTING THIS ONE, SO DON'T GET OUR HOPES UP. OKAY. AND THERE'S THREE OTHER THINGS TO VOTE ON. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1223 BOSWELL STREET IN THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE CASE NUMBER IS COA DASH 25 UH DASH 4 4 7. IT'S A COURTESY REVIEW. THE REQUEST IS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF RECOMMENDATION. SINCE IT'S A COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW. RECOMMENDATION COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTED WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS, RECONSTRUCT THE ORIGINAL HOUSE TO DESTROY BY FIRE AND . NUMBER TWO, ADD ALL OF THE HOUSES ON THE BLOCK BASE TO THE CONTEXTUAL SITEONE. NUMBER THREE, DRAWINGS NEED TO SHOW THE CORRECT EXTERIOR SIDE. NUMBER FOUR, FRONT DOOR SHOULD BE ALL WOOD AND HANDLE OLD STYLE PATTERN. NUMBER FIVE, ROOFING SHINGLES SHOULD BE ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES, COLOR, LIGHT, GREENISH GRAY MATCH FRYER BUILDING NUMBER SIX, TRIM PAIRED WINDOWS AS ASSEMBLY. THE UNIT WITH A NO ONE IN THE CAR. IS THIS HOUSE SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT WAS BURNED? IT IS SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT WAS BURNED YES. AND DEMOLISHED FROM THE PICTURE. THAT SEEMED TO BE THE CASE. THE ONE THING THAT JUMPS OUT IN ME AT THE WINDOWS, THE DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS THAT W THAT THAT WINDOW PATTERN ON THE FRONT FACADE IS NOT CORRECT, BUT THEY NEED TO BE SOMEHOW TYPICAL TO THAT STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE, EITHER SMALLER WINDOWS OR SOMETHING. AND DO WE ASSUME THAT THOSE ARE MILLIONS ON THE OUTSIDE? DO WE KNOW OR? WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT YET, WHAT HIS WINDOW TYPE WILL BE, BUT I WOULD SAY THE WINDOWS NEED TO BE TYPICAL EITHER ONE OVER ONE OR A PATTERN FOUND AT THAT TIME PERIOD. AND CERTAINLY IF THEY'RE NOT ON THE OUTSIDE THAN JUST GET RID OF 'EM ALL TOGETHER BECAUSE I'D RATHER HAVE A ONE OVER ONE, ONE WINDOW THAN VOLUME BETWEEN THE GLASS. OKAY. THE DOOR ALSO LOOKS A LITTLE BIT UNUSUAL. [04:10:02] THAT COULD BE MORE TYPICAL TO THAT STYLE? YES. IT'S A BIG WINDOW IN THE DOOR. ALL THREE OF THOSE WINDOWS ON THE TOP ELEVATION LOOK LIKE ALL THREE DIFFERENT SIZES. THEY ARE UP ? YEAH. YEAH. FOR THE THREE LITTLE BEARS OR WHATEVER. I A BEAR AND POP BEAR MAYBE BEAR THERE. IT'S IN THAT WINDOW'S. SO CLOSE TO THE EDGE. YEAH. WHAT'S, I MEAN, WHAT'S UP WITH THAT? IT'S GOT SIDING. JUST DO MY SIGN CALLED ROUTINE HERE. WHAT'S UP WITH THAT? THAT WE'RE LOOK EXTREMELY STRANGE ON THE INSIDE TOO. YOUR WINDOW OPENING WOULD BE UP AGAINST THE WALL OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS NOT USUALLY A CHOICE PEOPLE WOULD MAKE. YEAH. DO YOU KNOW, IS THERE A WINDOW ON THE BACK THAT MAKES THAT A WINDOW? LIKE A WRAPAROUND? OKAY. YEAH, THIS IS THE BACK. NO, NO, THE CORNER OF THE LEFT HAND CORNER IS THAT NOT CONNECT TO THE OTHER OTHER WINDOW. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT'S THE BACK AT THE BOTTOM. OH, I'M SORRY, I WAS LOOKING AT THE WRONG AND IT'S ONLY GOT THAT ONE WINDOW. NEVERMIND. NEVERMIND ISH. MM-HMM . AND THEN THIS IS THE LEFT AND THE REAR. SO NO, THOSE WINDOWS AT THE EDGE ON THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT, THEY DON'T CONNECT ON THE REAR. OKAY. I GOTCHA. WHAT'S UP WITH THAT SKIRTING? UH, THAT'S THAT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. RIGHT HAND SIDE? YEAH. BECAUSE CORRUGATED METAL IS SKIRTING THAT IS FOUND IN, UH, 10TH STREET. IT'S FOUND OR IS OR IS IT ACCEPTED AND APPROVED? WE HAVE, UM, I THINK SET WE APPROVED THERE IN OKAY. SO WE'VE APPROVED IT. YES. IT BEEN APPROVED IN THE PAST? YES. OR BECAUSE IT IS A LOGICALLY EVOLUTION FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO KEEP THEIR HOUSE UP BY IT WAS PART OF THE EVOLUTION OF MANY OF THESE HOUSES. IT BECAME TYPICAL AS TIME WENT BY. ONCE IT WAS NEW AND THEN IT WAS TRENDY. OKAY. SEE YOUR GRANDMA WAS TRENDY AT ONE TIME. . OKAY. UM, THE, I NOTICED THAT THE, THE TEST FORCE SAID MAKE THE FIRST THING WAS MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE ONE THAT BURNED. YEAH. HAVE WE MISSED ANYTHING IN ANY WHICH WAY? IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THE ONE THAT BURNED. WELL OF COURSE THIS ONE IS LARGER THAN THE ONE THAT BURNED. IN OTHER WORDS, EVERYTHING YOU SEE OVER THIS RAISED CONCRETE FOUNDATION THAT'S AN ADDITION MORE OR LESS. IN OTHER WORDS, HE CAME TO US, I THINK WITH THIS PLAN ORIGINALLY BEFORE HE GOT THE BRIGHT IDEA TO TAKE DOWN ALL THREE WALLS EXCEPT FOR THE FRONT. AND SO THIS WAS INITIALLY I THINK APPROVED, BUT THEN THE CA WAS CANCELED AND SO NOW HE'S BRINGING IT BACK. WE APPROVED THIS, WE APPROVED AN ADDITION WITH WHICH WINDOWS AND WE APPROVED AN ADDITION. IN OTHER WORDS, EVERYTHING OVER THE CONCRETE, WE APPROVED THAT AS AN ADDITION TO WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE THE FIRE. OKAY. AND THEN THERE OKAY. THEN THE SAGA. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO WE NEED TO RE-LOOK AT MAKING SURE THE WINDOWS ARE ALL THE, THE, THE PROPER SIZES AND NOT ALL DIFFERENT SIZES LIKE THAT. WE NEED TO RE-LOOK AT THAT CORNER WINDOW, NOT EVEN IF THAT HAD BEEN LOOKED AT AND APPROVED OR, OR POSSIBLY APPROVED. THAT'S ON IT NEEDS TO MOVE AWAY FROM THE YES. YEAH. UM, THE, UH, YOU GUYS ALREADY TALK ABOUT THE, THE DIVIDED LIGHT AT THE FRONT? YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE FRONT WINDOWS AND DOOR ARE REALLY GONNA LOOK LIKE. AND WHAT DID THEY, ARE THOSE THE ONES THAT ARE THERE AFTER THE FIRE OR, UH, LET'S SEE. I HAD PICTURES IN A CASE REPORT FOR AFTER THE FIRE. HOLD ON. WASN'T THERE A DOUBLE WINDOW THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE GAINED ION IN THE CENTER? DID I SEE THAT? THAT IT WAS JUST TWO ON THE NEW? YEAH, THERE WAS JUST TWO WINDOWS NEXT TO EACH OTHER. SOME SOMETHING SIMILAR. I THINK SO. I'M SCROLLING. OKAY. NOT ON THE FRONT. IF SO, LET'S TRY TO PUSH THEM TO A GAINED, LET ME SEE. AND THEN GO TO WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE AFTER IT BURNED. AND THAT'S FRONT AND RIGHT AND WE DO YEAH, RIGHT HERE BEFORE IT BURNED. YEAH. OKAY. SO HE DOES NEED TO CORRECT HIS PAIRED WINDOWS. [04:15:01] WINDOWS AND THE DIVIDED LIGHT THERE. I MEAN, I ASSUME THOSE ARE PROBABLY ALUMINUM WINDOWS GONNA BE PUT IN THERE. THOSE ARE NOT, AND IF THEY DO THAT, IT'S GONNA BE THOSE APPLICATE ON THE TOP OF THE GLASS. IT'S NOT GONNA BE TREATED. I JUST THINK JUST HAVE TO, LET'S JUST MOVE THEM TO ONE OVER ONE ON EVERYTHING SO WE CAN AVOID THAT MESS. OKAY. THIS IS, YEAH, THIS IS AFTER THE FIRE. NOT VERY INFORMATIVE. NO , NO, NOT VERY INFORMATIVE. WE KNOW WHAT SIZE OF PLYWOOD IS . YES. LET'S SEE. CAN WE SEE ANYONE ELSE? SO WAS THERE A PICTURE BEFORE? I THINK THERE WAS, I REMEMBER IT BEING, THERE WAS A PICTURE. IT WAS THE BASIC FORM IS THERE AND DO THE DOORS AND THE WINDOWS LOOK LIKE THE ONES IN THIS PROPOSAL. OH, I CAN'T REALLY GET A GOOD PICTURE OF WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE. PERHAPS THE TASK FORCE WILL SHARE THEIR MEMORY WHEN THIS COMES TO THEM AGAIN SINCE THEY DID SAY MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT USED TO LOOK BOSWELL. YEAH, BOSWELL. LOOK AT, SEE IT'S ON A, A CUL-DE-SAC AND IT ONLY HAS MAYBE TWO PHOTOS OF IT IN GOOGLE MAPS. YEAH. SEE THAT'S THE BEST. AND THE IMAGE THEY'RE SHOWING IS KIND OF BLURRY. YEAH. THEY'RE SHOWING A 2013 GOOGLE MAP. MM-HMM . BUT IT MIGHT BE MORE CLEAR IF WE GO TO ACTUAL GOOGLE AND GET IT OURSELVES. OKAY. LET'S SEE, ONE MORE THING. I NOTICED THAT IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S NO, UM, NO FASCIA BOARD ON THE FRONT. AT LEAST THE WINDOWS GO RIGHT UP TO THE ROOF. YEAH. AND IT MIGHT NEED A BEAM, UH, MIGHT NEED A FASCIA BOARD THE BEAM ALSO, BUT THERE'S ALL THOSE LITTLE DETAILS THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT. YEAH, I WAS GONNA ADD TO THE ORIGINAL HEAD EXPOSED S WALL ELEVATIONS WHERE? ISN IT SOMEBODY BLURRED IT OUT. YEAH, SOMEBODY BLURRED IT OUT. YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S BEHIND THIS BLUR. HOW DID SOMEONE BLUR IT? YEAH. TO HAVE YOUR, HUH? YEAH, THEY'LL BLUR IT. THERE'S A GOOD PICTURE ON UM, GOOGLE OF THE HOUSE BEFORE THE FIRE AND PASS IT. I DON'T, IT DOESN'T SAY IT'S REALLY WANT ME TO PASS IT AROUND. YOU JUST WENT TO GOOGLE AND PUT IN THE ADDRESS? YEAH, YOU CAN PASS IT AROUND IF YOU WANT THE HOUSE. I MEAN THE SECOND HOUSE THERE, THE THIRD OR IT'S THE FIRST HOUSE BEFORE YOU GET, IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S A VACANT LOT THEN THAT HOUSE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DISCUSS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. PROPERTY, THEN MAYBE ONE OR TWO OTHERS. AND THEN THE CUL-DE-SAC. YES. THAT LOOKS . OKAY. WHERE DID YOU GO TO GET THAT ONE? IS THAT A PICTURE ON A MAP OR YOU JUST ASKED FOR IMAGES AND IT CAME UP? WELL, DR. DUNN, DO YOU KNOW IF, SO SORRY, IS THE ENTIRE HOUSE BEING REBUILT? YES. YES. BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THERE. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, SO, AND I WAS WONDERING BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL, UM, HAD TO HAVE HAD A NINE FOOT PLATE HEIGHT BECAUSE OF THE, WHERE THE WINDOWS ARE PLACED RELATIVE TO WHERE THE ROOF IS. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET THAT BIG OF A GAP AT THE, BETWEEN THE WINDOW HEAD AND THE, AND THE BOTTOM OF THE ROW. UM, AND THEY'VE LOWERED IT TO EIGHT FEET. I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT THE SLOPE IS THE SAME EITHER. IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE STEEPER THAN IT WAS. OKAY. UM, BUT THOSE LITTLE MOVES WILL GET YOU A LOT CLOSER TO THE ORIGINAL. YEAH. MINE IS JUST BLURRED OUT. OKAY, SO YOU'RE SAYING RAISE THE, UH, CEILING PLATE. YEAH, IT'S A NINE FEET AND THEN YOUR WINDOWS STAY AT SEVEN AND THAT'S HOW YOU GET THE GAP AT THE TOP TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE ORIGINAL. UM, [04:20:02] I CAN'T QUITE, I HAVE A FEELING THAT FIVE AND 12 WOULD LOOK CLOSER TO THE ORIGINAL TWO ON THE SLOPE INSTEAD OF SIX AND 12 AND EXPOSING THE RAFTER TAILS EXPOSED. YEAH. AND THEN THERE'S A PAIR OF GANGED WINDOWS IN THE DINING ROOM. THOSE OUGHT TO HAVE A GAP IN BETWEEN THE FRAMES. IS THAT ON THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT? IT'S ON THE LEFT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S CONFUSING? WHAT I NEED TO OKAY. SEND RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU BECAUSE IF NOT, WE HAVE ONE MORE TO DO. YES, WE DID. ALL RIGHT. ARE WE READY FOR CR FIVE? APPARENTLY WE ARE. YES. OUR, OUR ENTHUSIASM GOT HIGH FOR A MOMENT AND THEN IT RAN BACK DOWN. YES, I DID NOTICE HOW Y'ALL WOKE UP AND THEN WE ALL GOT HOME. . YES. ALL RIGHT. SO COURTESY REVIEW ITEM NUMBER FIVE. THIS IS DR. RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AT 35 10 DUNBAR STREET. IT'S IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT. AGAIN, THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. SINCE IT'S COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS AND DETAILS OR TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW, TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS, RECOMMEND PEER AND BEAM FOUNDATION NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO IS WINDOWS SHOULD BE EITHER ALL ALUMINUM OR ALL WOOD. IF ALUMINUM FRAMED WINDOWS NEED TO BE ONE OF ONE, NO GRILL. NUMBER THREE, EXTERIOR SIDING SHOULD BE ALL WOOD. HORIZONTAL LAP SIDING, EITHER NO PATTERN ONE 17 OR PATTERN 1 0 5. NUMBER FOUR, RIG PORCH COLUMN BOTTOMS SHOULD REST ON GRADE, NOT THE PORCH. NUMBER FIVE, INCLUDE MORTAR COLOR ON MATERIAL SCHEDULE. NUMBER SIX, LURE VENT SHOULD MATCH THE OTHER GABLE VENTS ON DISCREET. IS THIS IT ON THE SCREEN? 'CAUSE THOSE YES. SUPPORTS ARE ON THE GROUND. I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE SENT ME AN UPDATE. OKAY. SO THIS IS AN UPDATED VERSION THAT ANSWERS SOME OF THE RIGHT, SOME OF THE, UH, REQUESTS OR COMMENTS FROM THE TASK FORCE. IT ALSO APPEARS TO BE MISSING A, A FACIA BOARD AND, AND ALSO ON A BOARD ON THE, ON THE PORCH THERE NEEDS TO BE A, A ONE BY EIGHT OR ONE BY 10 WRAPPING AROUND THE, THE PORCH BEING ON TOP OF THE COLUMNS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE FOUNDATION HEIGHT IS? UM, MIGHT LOOKS PRETTY LOW. SHOULD BE AT LEAST 12 INCHES. FOR WHEATLEY PLACE, WE'VE BEEN DOING AT LEAST 15 FOR PLACE. THE CITY IS A LITTLE LOWER, BUT FOR WHEATLEY PLACE WE'VE BEEN DOING 15 TO 18. AND I THINK HE HAS IT WRITTEN ON THERE. I JUST SPENT READING NOTHING. NICE. DOES HE GOT A WINDOW SCHEDULE. YOU GOT THE REAR WINDOWS ARE AWFULLY SKINNY LOOKING. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE MEETING RAIL ON THE FRONT WINDOWS BELOW [04:25:01] THE MIDDLE POINT. SO THE UPPER S IS BIGGER THAN THE LOWER SIZE. DO SEEMS SMALL AND THIN. IS IT 3.00. SO YOU GOT A 10 FOOT, ALMOST 10 FOOT DOOR, BUT CAN BEING THREE. OH, IS THAT WHY IT LOOKS STRETCHED. OKAY. NEED TO THINK ABOUT, UH, GETTING THAT IN PROPER SIZE. OKAY. WHAT IS IT? MY COMPUTER'S OUTTA MEMORY, BUT I'M LISTENING . BUT YOUR COMPUTER IS UNABLE TO TAKE NEW INFORMATION. . IT'S NOT ABLE TO TAKE ANY MORE REQUESTS. WE'RE ALL THIS TIME, IT'S JUST SHOWING BLANK SCREENS. I CAN ONLY GET THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT RIGHT NOW. SO WHAT ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS OR THE SUGGESTIONS? IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN HE WAS DRAWN THIS, THAT HE MAY HAVE WANTED TO STRETCH SOMETHING VERTICALLY UP OR SOMETHING OF THE, SOME SORT AND HE STRETCHED ALL THE WINDOWS. SO THE UPPER SASHES ARE ALL BIGGER THAN THE LOWER SASHES. OH. SO, SO HE NEEDS SOME WINDOW DIMENSIONS IF HE DOESN'T HAVE A WINDOW SCHEDULE. UH, AND WE NEED TO TRY TO GET AN APPRO, PROPER, APPROPRIATE WINDOW SIZES, THAT RELATIONSHIP. THE WINDOWS IN THE BACK ARE VERY THIN OR NARROW. WE MENTIONED FOUNDATION HEIGHT AND, UM, SOFFIT, UH, FASCIA BOARD. MM-HMM . OKAY. WINDOWS ALSO HAVE SOME VARIANCE IN SHAPE WITH THAT ONE MORE HORIZONTAL ONE AND A LOT OF SIZES. YEAH. IT USUALLY LOOKS BETTER ON A HISTORIC COLUMN IF YOU CAN REPEAT THE SAME SIZE MOSTLY AT LEAST. OKAY. SO THIS IS THE ONLY DRAWING YOUR COMPUTER CAN SHOW US NOW, . AND WE HAVE A FOUR, WE HAVE FOUR 12 ROOF AND A SIX 12 ROOF. IS THAT AN ISSUE? MM-HMM . SEEMED LIKE THERE'D BE A BENT IN THAT. GABLE LOOKS LIKE A LARGE GABLE DORMER OF SOME SORT ON THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION. YEAH. THAT SEEMS TO BE AN ERROR OF SOME SORT. YEAH, SOMETHING'S GOING ON. YEAH. YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT SOFFIT ALREADY. YEAH. HMM. I WISH YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE DIMENSION STRING GO ALL THE WAY TO THE ROOF. SOMETIMES IT MAKES ME THINK THAT ROOF IS SOMETHING GOING ON. COLUMN ON THE PORCH. LOOKS LIKE A FOUR BY FOUR ON THE SIDE PORCH. MM-HMM . SIDE PORCH. YEAH. WALKED IN. DOES THAT SIDE PORCH BASE THE STREET OR JUST THE NEIGHBOR? THE NEIGHBOR. THERE'S A GANG OF WINDOWS BEHIND THAT. THERE'S TWO WINDOWS TOGETHER WITHOUT THE, UH, PROPER WOOD. YEAH. MULIAN IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO. SO IT'S NOT A REAL GANG. SO THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED. MM-HMM . IT SAYS ONE BY FOUR CORNER GUARDS, BUT THEY, THEY LOOK THIN. YOU MEAN THE CORNER TRIM? YEAH, THE CORNER TRIM. SO IT SHOULD BE ONE BY FOUR. [04:30:04] YEAH. ONE THING I'D RECOMMEND, SO THIS, UM, THE CROSS GABLE IS AT FOUR AND 12. IT WAS KIND OF COMMON TO DO DIFFERENT PITCHES ON THE FRONT GABLES THAN ON THE YEAH. THAN ON THE REST. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND ON THE, THE PORTION OF THE ROOF PAST THE, THAT MIDDLE GABLE, UH, WOULD ALL GO TO FOUR AND 12 THEN INSTEAD OF SWITCHING BACK TO SIX AND 12. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY. SO WHERE ARE YOU? OKAY, SO ANYTHING PAST THE FRONT CROSS GABLE MM-HMM . THEN GOES TO THE SAME SLOPE AS THAT ONE. SO IT'S FOUR AND 12. OKAY. SO THE REAR ALL GOES FOUR AND 12, ALTHOUGH FOUR AND 12 IS KIND OF LOW FOR A CROSS SCALEABLE. UM, THE OTHER OPTION WOULD JUST BE MAKING EVERYTHING SIX AND 12. OKAY. HERE HE'S SHOWING DIVIDED LIGHT ON THIS. IS THIS A MOD, LIKE A 3D MODEL OR SOMETHING? OR IS THIS AN ACTUAL PHOTO? THAT'S A PHOTO. IT'S A RENDERING. SO HE IS GOT DIVIDED LIGHT ON THE RENDERING. YEAH, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S, YEAH. THE UPPER SASHES, THERE'S DIVIDED LIGHT. IT'S A THREE OVER ONE. IS THAT, IS HE GONNA BE SUBMITTING THAT OR IS HE GONNA BE SUBMITTING? I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE I TOLD HIM TO MAKE SURE THIS IS A REVISION BASED ON TASK FORCE, AT LEAST HIS FIRST ATTEMPT. AND I THINK HE'S GOING WITH THE ONE OVER ONE. ONE OVER ONE. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE OR YOU GUYS DID TALK ABOUT THE OVERHANG, THE LARGE, THE SOFFIT OVERHANG. WELL THE, UH, THE OVERHANG DIMENSION SEEMS TO BE EXCESSIVE, DOESN'T IT? JUST THE ACTUAL DIMENSION OF THE OVERHANG. ARE THEY GOING FOR BUNGALOW EFFECT? I DUNNO. EVERYTHING SOMETIMES SEEMS SO STRETCHED WHEN I LOOK AT THE, IT'S THIS MONITOR. YEAH. WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, YEAH. IT SEEMS TO BE OKAY. MAYBE ON THE ACTUAL COMPUTER. YEAH. YEAH. IT MAKES IT ELONGATED A LITTLE BIT. PUT DIMENSION STRINGS ON THOSE, AT LEAST HAVE LEFT . OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT'S THE POPULARITY OF THOSE BATTERED COLUMNS? EVERYONE'S COMING WITH THOSE AND THEN THEY COME AND THEY LOOK LIKE PENCILS OR SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, THEY NEVER, THEY NEVER REALLY SHOW LIKE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO. YEAH. I SUSPECT THAT IF YOU GOOGLE CRESSMAN COLUMNS AND COME UP WITH THAT AND SO PEOPLE DO THAT AND THEN THEY SAY, WELL THAT'S PRETTY, AND I SAW SOME SO MM-HMM . BECAUSE THEY WERE PRETTY, AND THEY'RE ALWAYS, BUT THEY'RE ALWAYS TOO SKINNY. YEAH. MM-HMM . BUT IN NEIGHBORS LIKE WHEATLEY PLACE IN 10, THEY PROBABLY DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF THOSE 'CAUSE THEY WERE EXPENSIVE AND THEY HAD TO BE CRAFTED. BUT A QUICK, UH, A QUICK ENDEAVOR TO LEARN ABOUT CRAFTSMEN. PROBABLY GDS. I'LL BET THE HEAD HEIGHTS OF THE WINDOWS SEEM TO BE DIFFERENT. THEY'RE ALL EIGHT. THEY'RE ALL EIGHT ON THE FRONT, ON THE PLAN. THEY'RE ALL LABELED THE HEAD HEIGHTS ON THE ELEVATIONS. THEY SEEM TO BE DIFFERENT. THEY'VE GOT THIS WOOD TRIM ON THE FRONT. MM-HMM . AND THEN YOU DON'T, IT'S KIND OF ENGAGED, BUT IT'S NOT ON THE OTHER ELEVATIONS. THAT'S A MORE PROMINENT HEAD. YEAH. JUST ONE BY KIND OF POINTED OUT. MAKE SURE IT'S CONSISTENT. OKAY. WE DO ENOUGH IMAGE THAT IS, THAT SEEMS LIKE ENOUGH TO HAVE THEM WORKING FOR A WHILE, SO, OKAY. SO WE HAVE THREE MORE THINGS TO VOTE ON. OKAY. I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE OF THE ANNUAL REPORT, UNLESS ANYBODY DISAPPROVES OF THE ANNUAL REPORT A MOTION. I MOVE APPROVE OF THE ANNUAL REPORT. I SECOND. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON FOR YOUR MOTION. AND COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS FOR YOUR SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. YES. CAN WE, OPPOSED? CAN I ASK A FOR A FAVOR THOUGH? IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, PAGES NINE AND 10, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, LIKE ANY, UH, CONFERENCES YOU WENT TO, ANY, UH, MEMBERSHIPS YOU HAVE THAT YOU WANT TO, THAT, THAT AREN'T ON THERE, LET ME KNOW BY [04:35:01] THE END OF THE WEEK AND I'LL ADD 'EM. THAT'S NO PROBLEM. OH, IT'S NOVEMBER. OKAY. UH, WE ALSO HAVE TO, UM, RE RECOMMEND THEIR, UM, REQUEST FOR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF SUNSET PROVISION FOR THE HISTORIC TAX. YES. THIS WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION FROM Y'ALL TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL OF THE EXTENSION OF OUR TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM. I WILL TELL YOU THAT IT WENT TO THE, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE TODAY AND, UM, TOOK ALL OF TWO MINUTES AND IT WAS PASSED WITH NO QUESTIONS. SO, YEAH. SO ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION THAT WE WANNA DO THAT? YES. I HAVE A MOTION TO DO THAT. THE ELOQUENCE. I'M PROUD TO SAY COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS MADE THE MOTION. WHO SECONDS IT SECOND. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RENO FOR YOUR SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES, YES. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. MINUTES. ANYONE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED? UNLESS YOU HAVE A CORRECTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS MADE THE MOTION. SECOND IS SECOND. COMMISSIONER RENO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY YES. YES, YES. OPPOSED? PLEASE SAY NO. I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS. SO AT 5 54, WE ARE ADJOURNED AND I'M STARVING. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.